--- Log opened Thu Dec 01 00:00:10 2016
2016-12-01T00:00:27 < jadew> englishman, nice tweezers
2016-12-01T00:00:47 < englishman> the important stuff
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2016-12-01T00:22:10 < kakimir> there was this weird condition operator that gave as return one or other thing depending the result
2016-12-01T00:22:33 < kakimir> anyone recall?
2016-12-01T00:23:04 < jadew> the ternary operator?
2016-12-01T00:23:04 < PaulFertser> ?:
2016-12-01T00:23:12 < PaulFertser> kakimir: funny you ask that
2016-12-01T00:24:18 < kakimir> yes
2016-12-01T00:24:27 < kakimir> I just have a case for it
2016-12-01T00:24:51 < kakimir> and I'bored and lazy
2016-12-01T00:25:00 < kakimir> I'm*
2016-12-01T00:25:18 < kakimir> to write open if else
2016-12-01T00:26:18 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/1zgFd.jpg
2016-12-01T00:28:05 < kakimir> php - not even once
2016-12-01T00:28:28 < jadew> good motto
2016-12-01T00:28:34 < kakimir> I donä't know how php programmers stay out of crack cocaine
2016-12-01T00:29:16 < kakimir> or substances generally
2016-12-01T00:30:19 < PaulFertser> jadew: seems reasonable that a non-empty string is true, no?
2016-12-01T00:31:43 < jadew> PaulFertser, hehe, indeed, what's not reasonable is that all other languages use right associativity for the ternary operator
2016-12-01T00:33:01 < PaulFertser> jadew: oh, that I didn't remember, indeed
2016-12-01T00:35:42 < kakimir> https://cdn.meme.am/instances/47655110.jpg 
2016-12-01T00:38:04 < jadew> fun
2016-12-01T00:38:23 < jadew> this came up too: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uVgnDc7wACo/UREKVofrIlI/AAAAAAAABCY/cuXPmLCQX9Y/s1600/sex-stupid-ad.jpg
2016-12-01T00:38:25 < upgrdman> lol. https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/11/30/219241/seagate-introduces-external-hard-drive-that-automatically-backs-up-to-amazons-cloud       it's like seagate admits it HDDs are shit, so now they include mirroring to The Cloud
2016-12-01T00:38:27 < jadew> and I agree
2016-12-01T00:38:34 < jadew> 15 is too little
2016-12-01T00:39:15 < kakimir> trust cloud
2016-12-01T00:39:31 < kakimir> cloud is good for you. try it.
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2016-12-01T00:56:07 < englishman> done + flown http://i.imgur.com/z66E1to.jpg
2016-12-01T00:59:03 < ReadErr> do they make that frame w/ support for 8.5mm motors
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2016-12-01T01:00:26 < englishman> no clue
2016-12-01T01:00:29 < qyx> karlp: seems to work
2016-12-01T01:00:53 < englishman> got this for free from pal for $camz
2016-12-01T01:04:35 < Spirit532> so apparently ST now has a LQFP100 400MHz Cortex-M7
2016-12-01T01:04:37 < Spirit532> why.....
2016-12-01T01:04:40 < Spirit532> whyyyyyyy
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2016-12-01T01:05:47 < ReadErr> the jews, they did 9/11
2016-12-01T01:05:50 < ReadErr> didnt you hear?
2016-12-01T01:05:56 < ReadErr> learned it here
2016-12-01T01:06:22 < Spirit532> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32f4-series/stm32f429-439/stm32f439vi.html
2016-12-01T01:06:25 < Spirit532> look at this monstrosity
2016-12-01T01:06:30 < Spirit532> in an lqfp-100 package
2016-12-01T01:06:32 < Spirit532> just, why
2016-12-01T01:08:33 < englishman> cool, hand-solderable
2016-12-01T01:08:47 < englishman> tahts not m7 tho
2016-12-01T01:09:02 < englishman> nor 400mhz
2016-12-01T01:09:11 < englishman> are you stoned and/or canadian
2016-12-01T01:09:44 < englishman> maybe you were looking for this http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32h7-series/stm32h7x3/stm32h743vi.html
2016-12-01T01:11:34 < Laurenceb_> Cucknadia
2016-12-01T01:11:56 < Laurenceb_> <Spirit532> so apparently ST now has a LQFP100 400MHz Cortex-M7
2016-12-01T01:12:00 < Laurenceb_> because fuck yeah
2016-12-01T01:12:23 < Spirit532> englishman, did I link the wrong thing?
2016-12-01T01:12:24 < Spirit532> I did.
2016-12-01T01:13:20 < Laurenceb_> ST, fuck yeah, 400mhz is the only way yeah
2016-12-01T01:13:31 < Spirit532> it's an lqfp100
2016-12-01T01:13:36 < Spirit532> that's the thing that bugs me
2016-12-01T01:13:45 < Spirit532> you can deadbug(no pun intended) a 400MHz microcontroller
2016-12-01T01:13:49 < englishman> do you want it in cerdip
2016-12-01T01:14:02 < Spirit532> I want it in wire-wrap
2016-12-01T01:14:20 < englishman> if only zano had waited for H7
2016-12-01T01:14:22 < sync> bare die
2016-12-01T01:17:18 < Laurenceb_> zano just needed wifibroadcast
2016-12-01T01:19:46 < aandrew> yeah I designed a board with an STM32F7. client paid me for all my time and for boards to be made, then seem sto be pulling the plug before assembling
2016-12-01T01:19:50 < aandrew> I"m like wtf whatever
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2016-12-01T01:20:49 < Spirit532> aandrew, this is an H7
2016-12-01T01:20:51 < Spirit532> not the F7
2016-12-01T01:20:56 < Spirit532> it's even more overkill
2016-12-01T01:21:03 < aandrew> ah
2016-12-01T01:21:33 < Spirit532> 400MHz processor in hand-solderable package
2016-12-01T01:21:38 < Spirit532> quite cool
2016-12-01T01:21:41 < Spirit532> pointless, but cool
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2016-12-01T01:26:03 < sync> aandrew: typical
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2016-12-01T01:26:51 < Rob235> what is considered a hand solderable package
2016-12-01T01:27:59 < emeb> depends on your skill level
2016-12-01T01:28:17 < emeb> some folks wouldn't consider anything SMT as hand-solderable.
2016-12-01T01:28:23 < emeb> some folks do BGAs by hand
2016-12-01T01:29:24 < Rob235> what about an average hobbyist
2016-12-01T01:29:54 < BrainDamage> avoid at start packages you can't visually inspect for faults
2016-12-01T01:30:09 < BrainDamage> otherwise everything is game provided you don't have parkinson
2016-12-01T01:40:04 < sync> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jahonen/Electronics/Stuff/BGA_rework.jpg
2016-12-01T01:40:36 < sync> http://www.thekirchners.net/rebol.jpg
2016-12-01T01:41:52 < fenugrec> the sinking feeling when you power up your 600-wire spaghetti, that took 5 days to solder, and it doesn't work
2016-12-01T01:46:15 < jadew> he didn't realize it would take so long
2016-12-01T01:46:44 < jadew> and by the time he managed to get 100 connections done, it was too late to go back
2016-12-01T01:48:16 < englishman> maybe he had to swap 2 wires
2016-12-01T01:49:44 < jadew> there's a simple solution for that
2016-12-01T01:49:56 < jadew> a small noteboot and a pen next to the bed
2016-12-01T01:50:02 < Laurenceb_> I draw the line at BGA
2016-12-01T01:50:04 < jadew> *notebook
2016-12-01T01:50:09 < Laurenceb_> aint nobody got time fo dat
2016-12-01T01:52:39 < jadew> what is it for?
2016-12-01T01:52:50 < Laurenceb_> wtf is that for?
2016-12-01T01:54:28 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-12-01T01:54:32 < sync> not really, it is hard to get them actually right
2016-12-01T01:54:41 < Laurenceb_> I just noticed H7 has 14 bit adc
2016-12-01T01:54:49 < sync> the tribology of the contacts is not trivial
2016-12-01T01:55:36 < Laurenceb_> wonder how good it is - if its _really_ 14 bit
2016-12-01T01:56:05 < karlp> qyx: yeah, the nucleo serial works... mostly.  I find it glitchy andunreliable
2016-12-01T01:56:06 < sync> LeelooMinai: sure, but that will not run reliably for millions of cycles
2016-12-01T01:56:08 < sync> and years
2016-12-01T01:56:57 < sync> no
2016-12-01T01:57:05 < sync> gold plating them will make things worse
2016-12-01T01:57:30 < sync> as they will either weld together or plastically deform
2016-12-01T01:59:41 < sync> 1k will not get you a renishaw new tho
2016-12-01T02:00:18 < sync> they are relatively cheap in the aftermarket tho as they get crashed all the time
2016-12-01T02:00:38 < sync> I got a renishaw and a heidenhain probe
2016-12-01T02:01:23 < sync> the heidenhain is cool, they had to get around the patent and monitor the resistance or capacitance of the contacts moving apart
2016-12-01T02:01:33 < sync> I did not fully reverse the circuit
2016-12-01T02:02:17 < sync> well, stainless on stainless will fret
2016-12-01T02:05:56 < sync> doi:10.1016/0040-6090(81)90022-5 looks like a good paper on contact materials
2016-12-01T02:06:25 < sync> there is no need for that, you only need on or off
2016-12-01T02:08:13 < sync> you could also try something capacitive, netzer makes a 21 bit rotary encoder using a very simple scheme
2016-12-01T02:08:30 < sync> properly engineered contacts
2016-12-01T02:10:28 < sync> why not, measuring frequencies very accurately is pretty easy
2016-12-01T02:12:00 < sync> they probably use something similar to small signal relays
2016-12-01T02:14:21 < sync> well, regular dowels and ball bearings probably work ok, but I prefer the real thing
2016-12-01T02:18:07 < sync> the shaft does not have to be isolated
2016-12-01T02:18:21 < sync> you can also just buy the alumina styli
2016-12-01T02:18:27 < sync> they are suprisignly cheap
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2016-12-01T02:19:53 < Laurenceb_> Aluminati confirmed
2016-12-01T02:20:18 < Laurenceb_> Aluminium oxide is white, do you know what else is white?? Yeah thats right the KKK
2016-12-01T02:20:25 < sync> pls Laurenceb_
2016-12-01T02:20:35 < Laurenceb_> coincidence? Maybe, but I think not
2016-12-01T02:20:39 < sync> probably.
2016-12-01T02:20:44 < Laurenceb_> illuminati confirmed
2016-12-01T02:21:29 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCAKlv_hMrN94GlnS-tsOLA
2016-12-01T02:22:00 < sync> http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5000-3709
2016-12-01T02:22:13 < sync> alumina is just aluminium oxide ceramic
2016-12-01T02:22:33 < sync> wat
2016-12-01T02:22:35 < sync> it is
2016-12-01T02:23:37 < sync> you can get cheaper ones if you are ok with steel shafts http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5000-7555
2016-12-01T02:24:31 < aandrew> probably because it's not ruby but glass
2016-12-01T02:24:31 < sync> so?
2016-12-01T02:25:17 < sync> the renishaw style work very well, and have actually round tips
2016-12-01T02:26:20 < sync> ok, make styli at competitive specs and sell them cheaper
2016-12-01T02:26:45 < sync> that one does not have competitive specs
2016-12-01T02:26:59 < sync> yes
2016-12-01T02:27:28 < sync> I mean, the probe heads are like 4k iirc so 30€ for a probe is pretty reasonable
2016-12-01T02:28:09 < sync> or I just buy one where I know that it just works fine
2016-12-01T02:28:34 < sync> yes, but do they guarantee the roundness of the ball?
2016-12-01T02:28:41 < sync> which is important when probing
2016-12-01T02:29:24 < sync> it is a guess, but a very important one
2016-12-01T02:29:35 < sync> if one works, I cannot trust them that the next one works
2016-12-01T02:30:06 < sync> or just spend 30€ and be done.
2016-12-01T02:30:20 < sync> by the time I have ordered 3 I'm already more expensive than a real one
2016-12-01T02:30:22 < sync> + my time
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2016-12-01T02:32:40 < sync> that's nice but pure tungsten has wear issues
2016-12-01T02:33:01 < sync> WC is ok, but wears fast, ZrO is good for Al and Ruby for steels
2016-12-01T02:34:22 < sync> just be aware that aluminium will stick to it easily
2016-12-01T02:36:35 < aandrew> what are you probing? I mean dongs' anus is pretty well blueprinted by now
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2016-12-01T02:40:13 < Laurenceb_> top kek aandrew
2016-12-01T02:40:38 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: what the heck are you making?
2016-12-01T02:40:50 < Laurenceb_> maybe
2016-12-01T02:41:33 < Laurenceb_> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/kek
2016-12-01T02:41:34 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-12-01T02:41:44 < Laurenceb_> how do you measure contact force?
2016-12-01T02:42:48 < Laurenceb_> ok I sort of get the idea
2016-12-01T02:43:58 < Laurenceb_> how does the ruby thing detect contact?
2016-12-01T02:44:22 < Laurenceb_> epic lulz/dramaz https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/?st=iw5n0wpc&sh=909a5fce
2016-12-01T02:45:52 < Laurenceb_> oh so you need a detection thingy too?
2016-12-01T02:46:05 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: I have troll feed
2016-12-01T02:46:15 < Laurenceb_> aka /newsplus/
2016-12-01T02:47:00 < Laurenceb_> I doubt you can handle the 8chan
2016-12-01T02:50:55 < Laurenceb_> do you have a mill?
2016-12-01T02:51:13 < Laurenceb_> sweet
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2016-12-01T02:56:47 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah seen that
2016-12-01T02:57:26 < Laurenceb_> better than 3d printers
2016-12-01T02:58:25 < Laurenceb_> I'm no fan of FDM
2016-12-01T02:58:41 < Laurenceb_> got some very good results from SLS kit
2016-12-01T02:59:01 < Laurenceb_> https://www.eos.info/systems_solutions/plastic/systems_equipment/formiga_p_110
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2016-12-01T03:00:24 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-12-01T03:00:35 < Laurenceb_> I pay about UKP100/Litre
2016-12-01T03:00:39 < Laurenceb_> seems v reasonable
2016-12-01T03:01:22 < Laurenceb_> and theres a CNC milling place just down the street from me so I'm sorted lol
2016-12-01T03:02:07 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-12-01T03:03:21 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'd never been economic for me to own my own kit
2016-12-01T03:06:57 < Laurenceb_> yeah my local place has some insane hitachi machine with automated toolchange and part removal arms etc
2016-12-01T03:07:10 < Laurenceb_> usually makes JCB gearbox parts
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2016-12-01T03:11:20 < upgrdman> git pros: what is the correct way to mark a commit as a certain version number of the program? a "tag" ?
2016-12-01T03:15:57 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-12-01T03:17:17 < sync> LeelooMinai: you center the probe body in the collet
2016-12-01T03:18:52 < sync> well, then you're going to have an issue if you only have an er collet
2016-12-01T03:19:22 < sync> the renishaw probes sit in the SK40 (or whatever your spindle nose has) and are adjusted for runout there
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2016-12-01T03:32:36 < sync> and yes LeelooMinai stick means it will become glued to it
2016-12-01T03:33:06 < aandrew> <+LizardKng> but i must garee wiuth you, weddings a re a huge hassle to be a part of <+LizardKng> esp if you're the groom
2016-12-01T03:33:09 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-12-01T03:34:18 < sync> negative LeelooMinai
2016-12-01T03:35:48 < sync> adhesive wear is a serious problem
2016-12-01T03:37:57 < Laurenceb_> what adhesive??
2016-12-01T03:38:01  * Laurenceb_ confused
2016-12-01T03:38:28 < sync> Laurenceb_: ball gets bigger
2016-12-01T03:38:38 < Laurenceb_> oh
2016-12-01T03:38:43 < Laurenceb_> ok I get you
2016-12-01T03:38:52 < sync> it is not a term I coined
2016-12-01T03:52:33 < sync> it wears the ball as it gets inaccurate
2016-12-01T03:59:27 < upgrdman> what ball?
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2016-12-01T04:17:33 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/RtWGugw.jpg
2016-12-01T04:30:04  * TheSeven wonders how writing to a completely unrelated timer's CCR1 register can throw off an SPI DMA transfer
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2016-12-01T05:52:56 < upgrdman> TheSeven, bus contention?
2016-12-01T05:54:05 < upgrdman> err contention is the wrong word
2016-12-01T05:54:14 < upgrdman> uh, "saturation"?
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2016-12-01T06:47:09 < englishman> spotted Spirit532 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyhHQmrWEAABEPl.jpg
2016-12-01T06:48:36 < dongs> lol led driver
2016-12-01T06:48:49 < dongs> dont those fucking things come in DIP already
2016-12-01T07:28:45 < upgrdman> anyone tried TDD?
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2016-12-01T07:31:24 < upgrdman> testicle driven development
2016-12-01T07:32:43 < upgrdman> k
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2016-12-01T08:01:39 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/MppeJzh.jpg
2016-12-01T08:03:17 < dongs> just rolled into the shop?
2016-12-01T08:03:27 < dongs> needs a new paint job, or else all good
2016-12-01T08:05:53 < Thorn> this is how half-life 3 would look like if it existed
2016-12-01T08:05:56 < jpa-> might need refilling the tank also
2016-12-01T08:06:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's just the flat right?
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2016-12-01T08:17:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, dunno, im not into gaming laptops
2016-12-01T08:17:47 < upgrdman> for my laptops need to be portable, desktops need to be powerful
2016-12-01T08:18:00 < upgrdman> and ALL screens need to be 4k or better
2016-12-01T08:18:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, also, that rainbow backlit keyboard. fucking homo.
2016-12-01T08:18:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> If you needa portable desktop, just build it in a mini-itx or something
2016-12-01T08:18:54 < upgrdman> R2COM, because i have decent vision and i dont want to see dixels
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2016-12-01T08:19:48 < jpa-> 2k screen at 13" seems enough to me for not seeing pixels
2016-12-01T08:20:16 < jpa-> and still low-dpi enough that don't need to scale programs and fonts
2016-12-01T08:20:52 < upgrdman> R2COM, i just want crisp text
2016-12-01T08:21:07 < upgrdman> i use dick scaling at 200%... so 4k but with 1080 real-estate
2016-12-01T08:21:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, yes
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2016-12-01T08:41:40 < dongs> lets see r2bro link
2016-12-01T08:41:54 < dongs> haha no
2016-12-01T08:42:54 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, my vision is decent. but its trivial to see pixels of a 1080 monitor from even a meter away
2016-12-01T08:43:14 < upgrdman> 17" 1080 to be specific
2016-12-01T08:43:19 < dongs> not this fucking discussion again
2016-12-01T08:43:33 < upgrdman> dongs, ya good idea. fuck it. done.
2016-12-01T08:43:35 < dongs> basically the only reason leelooman doesn't have 4K is because hes a poor kike
2016-12-01T08:43:58 < dongs> also: i have 4K @ 12"
2016-12-01T08:44:03 < dongs> this discussion is basically over.
2016-12-01T08:44:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> That is a good enough reason to not have a 4k screen
2016-12-01T08:44:44 < Kliment> 4k has humongous energy usage
2016-12-01T08:45:01 < upgrdman> Kliment, ? wat. no.
2016-12-01T08:45:16 < Kliment> upgrdman: It does, not just the display but the GPU use as well
2016-12-01T08:45:18 < upgrdman> Kliment, my surface pro 4 can drive a 4k monitor without even getting warm
2016-12-01T08:45:28 < dongs> lol wut, what bullshit is this
2016-12-01T08:45:36 < dongs> Kliment: ok, so everyone should go back to 1366x768 screen sright
2016-12-01T08:45:36 < upgrdman> if your shit pc can't handle 4k, it's a shit pc.
2016-12-01T08:45:38 < dongs> SAVE THE EARTH
2016-12-01T08:45:51 < Kliment> It can, but battery life suffers
2016-12-01T08:46:35 < upgrdman> people have a large "carbon footprint" so you can help nature by castrating yourself so you dont expand the population.
2016-12-01T08:46:57 < Kliment> And you won't save the earth by using smaller screens. The largest impact factors for carbon are industry and transport
2016-12-01T08:47:39 < englishman> R2COM> is 4k 17.3" good for a laptop?
2016-12-01T08:47:40 < Kliment> But if you're going for a power hungry setup anyway, why gimp it by using a laptop form factor?
2016-12-01T08:47:41 < englishman> lol retard
2016-12-01T08:48:38 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, 1 meter from a 17" 1080 monitor, and i can tell if text is antialiased or not.
2016-12-01T08:49:07 < upgrdman> make pixels so small you dont need antialiasing. then we can stop improving things.
2016-12-01T08:49:28 < dongs> its like
2016-12-01T08:49:30 < Kliment> upgrdman: On Windows? Windows has especially aggressive subpixel smoothing so character verticals look thinner with AA on
2016-12-01T08:49:35 < englishman> 4k was alright im ready to move on
2016-12-01T08:49:47 < dongs> upgrdman can see pixels. but me? I can see dixels. What is that? its when I can tell that someone on the other end of irc chat has a dick!
2016-12-01T08:50:10 < upgrdman> lol
2016-12-01T08:50:23 < Kliment> dongs: Shouldn't that be dongsels?
2016-12-01T08:50:42 < dongs> no that sounds retarded.
2016-12-01T08:50:49 < Kliment> dongs: That's my point
2016-12-01T08:51:18 < Kliment> dongs: Want a cool reference on energy usage per person?
2016-12-01T08:51:35 < dongs> Kliment: my house idles at 2-2.5kW
2016-12-01T08:51:47 < dongs> which is pretty shitty, i admit.
2016-12-01T08:51:58 < Kliment> dongs: There's this excellent book with UK data you can compare against
2016-12-01T08:52:01 < dongs> so 2.5kW 24/7 + wahtever over usage, occasioanlly goes to 6kW
2016-12-01T08:52:17 < dongs> no lol
2016-12-01T08:52:18 < jpa-> dongs: electric heating or something?
2016-12-01T08:52:31 < dongs> jpa-: nope. well, electric aircon but not on now obviously
2016-12-01T08:52:31 < Kliment> dongs: Our apartment is 400W average, and the bulk of that is hot water
2016-12-01T08:52:45 < jpa-> dongs: huh, where does that 2.5kW go?
2016-12-01T08:52:46 < Kliment> dongs: About 130W idle
2016-12-01T08:52:54 < dongs> jpa-: not fucking sure
2016-12-01T08:53:03 < jpa-> yeah, we also have some 500W average and 100W idle
2016-12-01T08:53:32 < Kliment> jpa-: I was following this thread where someone in the carolinas built a solar setup and storage after taking apart a wrecked tesla to salvage the battery
2016-12-01T08:53:54 < Kliment> jpa-: That house was using some 20kWh/day
2016-12-01T08:53:57 < Kliment> 50*
2016-12-01T08:54:03 < englishman> currently sucking 30kW peak 36kW with the hot tub
2016-12-01T08:54:17 < Kliment> jpa-: And apparently that's typical in the US
2016-12-01T08:54:19 < englishman> going to step this up next year when we run the hot tub all winter
2016-12-01T08:54:46 < Kliment> jpa-: Cheap energy leads to efficiency not being worth it
2016-12-01T08:54:59 < englishman> hot tub all winter = totally worth it
2016-12-01T08:55:02 < jpa-> i wonder how cheap they have it
2016-12-01T08:55:22 < Kliment> jpa-: As energy prices go up, things are changing. For example, California is very much going for efficiency now.
2016-12-01T08:55:28 < dongs> Kliment: sounds liek you came across wk057 / skie.net stuff
2016-12-01T08:55:32 < upgrdman> Kliment, more like if you're not poor, might as well enjoy life
2016-12-01T08:55:34 < Kliment> dongs: Yeah that's the one
2016-12-01T08:55:51 < Kliment> upgrdman: It's not that - it's that you have a different energy usage profile
2016-12-01T08:56:26 < Kliment> upgrdman: I mean, even the richest people in the richest and most expensive country in the world use less energy on average than the average american
2016-12-01T08:57:03 < upgrdman> Kliment, source for that claim?
2016-12-01T08:57:08 < dongs> ya well i pay liek 300-600/month for electricity
2016-12-01T08:57:15 < dongs> i hear fags like upgrdman pay like $50 a month
2016-12-01T08:57:16 < englishman> shit thats a lot
2016-12-01T08:57:17 < englishman> so do i
2016-12-01T08:57:18 < dongs> in usa
2016-12-01T08:57:22 < englishman> actually no
2016-12-01T08:57:25 < englishman> its like $160
2016-12-01T08:57:31 < englishman> canadabux
2016-12-01T08:57:42 < jpa-> 1 W for one year = 1 EUR over here
2016-12-01T08:57:44 < upgrdman> dongs, lol. depends on time of year. winter = $40 - $60, summer = $90 - $130.
2016-12-01T08:57:45 < englishman> but pay every 2 months
2016-12-01T08:57:50 < englishman> so $300 ish
2016-12-01T08:58:00 < Kliment> upgrdman: The US and Canada use aircon to a much higher degree than basically anywhere else in the world with similar climate
2016-12-01T08:58:22 < upgrdman> Kliment, yes. and rightfully so
2016-12-01T08:58:29 < upgrdman> why the fuck to people put up with shit.
2016-12-01T08:58:36 < upgrdman> we have the technology. use it, bitch.
2016-12-01T08:58:46 < englishman> can confirm, aircon and furnace on full blast. -6C is just too warm
2016-12-01T08:58:50 < Kliment> upgrdman: It doesn't seem to bother people elsewhere
2016-12-01T08:59:11 < upgrdman> Kliment, thats because people elsewhere and dumbfucks who also lived a shit life.
2016-12-01T08:59:16 < upgrdman> s/and/are
2016-12-01T08:59:17 < Kliment> upgrdman: So I'm thinking it's cultural. I know that people from here who visit the US in summer complain it's too cold everywhere
2016-12-01T08:59:27 < upgrdman> :)
2016-12-01T08:59:56 < Kliment> upgrdman: Also, your building standards are different
2016-12-01T09:00:00 < upgrdman> but seriously, tho: if you could climate control your home, why not? why should you "feel" the season if you're relaxing at home.
2016-12-01T09:00:17 < englishman> dongs did you get a wang turdbine yet
2016-12-01T09:00:21 < upgrdman> Kliment, thats true. usa homes are fragile as shit. we need to use more stone/brick
2016-12-01T09:00:39 < Kliment> upgrdman: Well, I live in a building built in 1930. It has half-meter cavity brick walls.
2016-12-01T09:00:48 < upgrdman> ya thats decent
2016-12-01T09:00:51 < Kliment> upgrdman: You don't "feel the season"
2016-12-01T09:00:54 < jpa-> upgrdman: because if you live indoors in cool air in summer, it becomes annoying to go out
2016-12-01T09:01:05 < jpa-> whereas if you just let the temperature be the same, you adapt soon enough
2016-12-01T09:01:07 < upgrdman> jpa-, ya. so you don't go out. problem solved.
2016-12-01T09:01:10 < Kliment> upgrdman: Because the walls store heat for weeks
2016-12-01T09:01:40 < Kliment> upgrdman: So it's a very smooth transition. The thermal resistance is excellent
2016-12-01T09:01:45 < jpa-> upgrdman: seems like a pretty shitty life if you can't go out :)
2016-12-01T09:01:50 < upgrdman> :)
2016-12-01T09:01:59 < jpa-> (except of course in air conditioned car the true usa style)
2016-12-01T09:02:02 < englishman> usa homes are shit because they arent homes, just investment vehicles
2016-12-01T09:02:22 < Kliment> upgrdman: There was a period where the building standards here were laxer, but now they're great again
2016-12-01T09:02:29 < dongs> englishman: not yet, need to get one thats rated being next to ocean.
2016-12-01T09:02:46 < dongs> shit rusts to death here in <1 year
2016-12-01T09:02:57 < Kliment> dongs: So when sea levels go up you get fresh beachfront property? :P
2016-12-01T09:02:59 < englishman> weird, i guess small ones have to work on that
2016-12-01T09:03:03 < upgrdman> speaking of going out, i think i'll go for a walk in this lovely california weather. winter time, 11pm, and its 55F (13C)
2016-12-01T09:03:20 < englishman> the biggest turbines are all offshort
2016-12-01T09:03:26 < upgrdman> its cold enough i might wear pants instead of shorts.
2016-12-01T09:03:33 < upgrdman> thats as cold as it get here :)
2016-12-01T09:03:51 < Kliment> upgrdman: Yeah, and california is a place where aircon kinda sorta makes sense
2016-12-01T09:03:54 < englishman> dont get stabbed
2016-12-01T09:04:07 < Kliment> upgrdman: But people use aircon just as much up in toronto
2016-12-01T09:04:30 < upgrdman> you ice niggers use aircon?
2016-12-01T09:05:04 < Kliment> Eh?
2016-12-01T09:05:09 < dongs> 15C here.
2016-12-01T09:05:12 < upgrdman> canadians use aircon?
2016-12-01T09:05:30 < Kliment> They do! Canadians are basically USians when it comes to consumer goods
2016-12-01T09:06:02 < upgrdman> nice
2016-12-01T09:06:04 < upgrdman> well bbl
2016-12-01T09:06:06 < Kliment> I could see no appreciable difference beyond poutine and maple consumption
2016-12-01T09:06:47 < englishman> englishman> can confirm, aircon and furnace on full blast. -6C is just too warm
2016-12-01T09:15:53 < englishman> stm32 content https://github.com/commaai/openpilot
2016-12-01T09:16:06 < englishman> https://github.com/commaai/neo
2016-12-01T09:17:13 < englishman> geohot got $3.1m for this
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2016-12-01T09:28:09 < Kliment> Canada is also into cruel and unusual punishments https://www.theguardian.com/music/shortcuts/2016/nov/30/haranguing-chad-how-nickelback-became-pops-ultimate-punchline
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2016-12-01T09:43:08 < dongs> the punishment part just starts by living there right>?
2016-12-01T09:43:33 < dongs> especially in the french side
2016-12-01T09:44:00 < Kliment> Quebec is just Canadian Louisiana
2016-12-01T09:45:00 < Kliment> Why is nobody upset about the French-speaking community in Louisiana? Because they have no reason to be.
2016-12-01T09:45:37 < dongs> maybe cuz they dont teach french in schools
2016-12-01T09:46:18 < upgrdman> just bought some breakfast claws by "svenhard's swedish bakery" ... package is 16oz. my whole life is a lie. swedes using ounces? impossibru
2016-12-01T09:49:16 < dongs> breakfast?
2016-12-01T09:49:18 < dongs> isnt it like 3am
2016-12-01T09:49:27 < upgrdman> its midnight here
2016-12-01T09:49:32 < upgrdman> perfect time for breakfast
2016-12-01T09:49:43 < upgrdman> either that or i bought them for later consumption
2016-12-01T09:49:50 < upgrdman> probably both
2016-12-01T09:52:51 < Kliment> dongs: not like canadians actually learn french at school. it's a sham
2016-12-01T09:53:16 < upgrdman> should they?
2016-12-01T09:55:03 < Kliment> They're supposed to, it just doesn't work
2016-12-01T09:57:42 < upgrdman> genuinely curious, why are they supposed to?
2016-12-01T09:57:58 < upgrdman> i mean is it just tradition since theres many french-ish canadians?
2016-12-01T09:58:21 < upgrdman> how valuable would it really be to learn french? (not trying to be offensive)
2016-12-01T09:58:30 < englishman> the english don't learn french
2016-12-01T09:58:49 < englishman> but its a country with 2 official languages
2016-12-01T09:59:04 < englishman> vs. USA's 0 official languages
2016-12-01T09:59:22 < Kliment> upgrdman: The educational system has it as a goal, so I'm saying it's failing at achieving that goal
2016-12-01T09:59:32 < Kliment> upgrdman: Whether the goal itself os worthwhile is another story
2016-12-01T09:59:33 < englishman> so a 2nd language is encouraged
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2016-12-01T10:01:21 < upgrdman> englishman, ya but like, would learning french benefit them significantly? english is the language anything important is done in (overgeneralizing, but ya) ... if anything, for a second language they should learn chinese
2016-12-01T10:01:26 < Kliment> meh, i speak 4 languages fluently, none of them are the two that were forced against my will at school
2016-12-01T10:01:36 < englishman> nope
2016-12-01T10:01:53 < englishman> in Vancouver usually ppl learn Mandarin
2016-12-01T10:02:08 < upgrdman> englishman, in school?
2016-12-01T10:02:11 < englishman> elsewhere, just English
2016-12-01T10:02:12 < englishman> Ya
2016-12-01T10:02:14 < upgrdman> ok cool
2016-12-01T10:02:21 < upgrdman> that makes sense
2016-12-01T10:02:43 < englishman> well except quebec ofc
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2016-12-01T10:24:15 < dongs> usa's official language will be arabic soon
2016-12-01T10:24:18 < dongs> or was t hat euroep
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2016-12-01T10:25:01 < Kliment> dongs: That's utter bullshit
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2016-12-01T10:25:35 < Kliment> dongs: Even in the cities with the largest arab populations over here you rarely hear arabic on the streets
2016-12-01T10:25:55 < upgrdman> ya that europe
2016-12-01T10:25:55 < dongs> bullshit is my middle name!
2016-12-01T10:25:59 < upgrdman> with their refugees
2016-12-01T10:26:21 < Kliment> dongs: That said, I'd love to hear the way the Dutch would butcher the hard h in arabic
2016-12-01T10:27:14 < Kliment> dongs: it's a notoriously difficult sound, and they have their own hard h which is not the same
2016-12-01T10:27:32 < upgrdman> wut sound
2016-12-01T10:27:34 < upgrdman> link
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2016-12-01T10:28:32 < Kliment> upgrdman: The arabic one? There are three h sounds, two of them are impossible to tell apart for most non-arabic speakers
2016-12-01T10:28:47 < upgrdman> link plz
2016-12-01T10:28:50 < Kliment> upgrdman: Much less to pronounce correctly
2016-12-01T10:28:58 < Kliment> upgrdman: Hold on, I'm looking for a video
2016-12-01T10:29:51 < Kliment> upgrdman: Here's a comparison of the two confusing ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eymKWI_UpJI
2016-12-01T10:30:36 < dongs> Hard Gay
2016-12-01T10:32:43 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Keep listening
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2016-12-01T10:33:58 < upgrdman> Kliment, sound like the hard h is just exhale more when saying it
2016-12-01T10:34:37 < upgrdman> does alluah ackbar have a soft or hard h
2016-12-01T10:35:37 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: yeah, it's more strongly aspirated
2016-12-01T10:35:51 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: but in the middle of a word I really can't tell them apart when spoken
2016-12-01T10:36:07 < Kliment> upgrdman: I'm not sure actually
2016-12-01T10:36:24 < upgrdman> thats ok, arabs are useless anyway
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2016-12-01T10:37:08 < Kliment> The h in allah is a soft one
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2016-12-01T10:37:26 < Kliment> But it's not actually the same h as the soft h in that video
2016-12-01T10:37:33 < Kliment> Because yes, there is yet another fucking h
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2016-12-01T10:38:12 < dongs> sir, y ou know an awful lot about arabic and lunix. are you a terrorist?
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2016-12-01T10:38:44 < Kliment> dongs: You should know that all terrorists use windows
2016-12-01T10:38:49 < stvn> capacitor
2016-12-01T10:38:53 < upgrdman> and nokia cell phones
2016-12-01T10:39:09 < dongs> haha no  tehy dont
2016-12-01T10:39:10  * upgrdman waits for lumias to be used for IEDs
2016-12-01T10:39:14 < dongs> lunix is os of choice  there
2016-12-01T10:39:20 < dongs> cuz its free as in aids
2016-12-01T10:39:28 < Kliment> dongs: You seem to know an awful lot about terrorists :P
2016-12-01T10:39:29 < dongs> pirating recent windows is hard
2016-12-01T10:39:49 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: it's the /h/
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2016-12-01T10:40:15 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgQlQ77VKX8
2016-12-01T10:40:20 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: That video was the difference between /ħ/ and /x/
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2016-12-01T10:40:40 < stvn> fucken sup mate
2016-12-01T10:40:58 < Kliment> dongs: The vast majority of the arab world is on pirated XP or pirated Win7
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2016-12-01T10:41:34 < Kliment> dongs: That's what's available, typically preinstalled on used hardware
2016-12-01T10:41:45 < dongs> thought so.
2016-12-01T10:43:03 < Kliment> having given talks about linux and open source culture in arabic-speaking regions, it was definitely the sort of thing that most people in the audience were not at all familiar with
2016-12-01T10:43:31 < dongs> hehe
2016-12-01T10:43:43 < Kliment> Similar situation in most of southern Europe
2016-12-01T10:44:01 < Kliment> it's Windows everywhere, and the poorer places have old pirated Windows
2016-12-01T10:45:14 < dongs> you gotta admit tho even ancient windows and like office XP is still lightyears ahead of lunix desktop for gettting shit done
2016-12-01T10:45:27 < Kliment> dongs: Depends on the shit you need to get done
2016-12-01T10:45:33 < dongs> no it doesntr
2016-12-01T10:45:37 < dongs> jerking off on irc != getting shit done
2016-12-01T10:45:50 < dongs> for everything else I can't think of a single task taht lunix deos better
2016-12-01T10:46:03 < dongs> you're welcome to give some examples tho
2016-12-01T10:46:40 < Kliment> I'm not gonna have this discussion again
2016-12-01T10:46:46 < dongs> quitter.
2016-12-01T10:47:01 < Kliment> Nah, I just got shit I need to get done :P
2016-12-01T10:47:06 < dongs> but i know why. cuz im right :p
2016-12-01T10:47:23 < Kliment> Again, literally anything involving bluetooth
2016-12-01T10:47:29 < dongs> snort.
2016-12-01T10:48:05 < Kliment> The low-latency sound story is also terrible on Windows
2016-12-01T10:48:16 < dongs> i'm fucking sorry but anyone doing anything with b luetooth that involves money/consumer product/eventual certification will have a protocol/rf analyzer and will not be using some obscure/undocumentd/buggy lunix tools to do the job
2016-12-01T10:48:20 < dongs> same goes for USB
2016-12-01T10:48:42 < dongs> any consumer USB device released today only targets windows. the e nd.
2016-12-01T10:48:55 < Kliment> A whole lot of consumer devices target OSX
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2016-12-01T10:49:15 < Kliment> And the majority of SDR equipment targets linux
2016-12-01T10:49:22 < Kliment> because that's where the tools are
2016-12-01T10:50:39 < Kliment> Windows is the only OS that doesn't have a solid, OS-provided bluetooth API. They are introducing one in W10 but it still can't do basic stuff like scan for new devices
2016-12-01T10:50:52 < Kliment> Only of the big three that is
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2016-12-01T10:51:52 < Kliment> It's just massively sad and you can't build any applications for windows that use bluetooth without using a specific vendor chipset
2016-12-01T10:52:24 < ohsix> boop
2016-12-01T10:52:33 < ohsix> just got back from a long drive
2016-12-01T10:52:51 < ohsix> nobody drives at midnight, except the person that took out the fence up the street and left it all over the road
2016-12-01T10:52:57 < jpa-> big three operating systems: windows 7, windows 10, templeos
2016-12-01T10:53:05 < Kliment> jpa-: Hah
2016-12-01T10:53:24 < ohsix> to be fair, for bluetooth, you just need the hci layer
2016-12-01T10:53:34 < ohsix> user experience sucks, but you can have the whole stack in your application
2016-12-01T10:53:37 < Kliment> ohsix: Yeah, and the OS doesn't give you access to it
2016-12-01T10:53:48 < Kliment> ohsix: Not in any standard way anyway
2016-12-01T10:54:03 < Kliment> ohsix: So most devs target a specific chipset and talk HCI to it directly
2016-12-01T10:54:09 < ohsix> couldn't call it hci if it weren't standard
2016-12-01T10:54:13 < ohsix> ooloelol
2016-12-01T10:54:36 < ohsix> my fuel pump had the wrong gasket on it, when i went to fill it gas went all over
2016-12-01T10:54:46 < ohsix> had to drive to get gas out of the tank so i can fix it tomorrow
2016-12-01T10:55:03 < ohsix> i think i was on a mountan
2016-12-01T10:55:06 < Kliment> ohsix: I mean, the HCI presents itself to the machine as a UART, or as an SDIO link, or USB
2016-12-01T10:55:29 < Kliment> ohsix: You need to treat each of those cases separately in your application, and you need to have access to the hardware
2016-12-01T10:56:01 < upgrdman> Kliment, ? i can easily scan for bt shitz in win10
2016-12-01T10:56:32 < Kliment> upgrdman: Yeah, there's a widget for it in the OS, but you can't say write a program that does a BLE scan for devices you aren't already paired with
2016-12-01T10:56:41 < upgrdman> o
2016-12-01T10:56:45 < dongs> who cares and why would you want to
2016-12-01T10:56:49 < upgrdman> really? that's gay
2016-12-01T10:56:56 < dongs> windows users know where bluetooth search shit is
2016-12-01T10:56:58 < dongs> they know how to ouse it
2016-12-01T10:57:04 < dongs> they dont need your retarded fucking non-standard UI
2016-12-01T10:57:08 < Kliment> dongs: Because you want an integrated application experience?
2016-12-01T10:57:10 < dongs> to pair with your special snowflake BT dongle
2016-12-01T10:57:15 < dongs> it is integrated
2016-12-01T10:57:21 < dongs> i get bluetooth dongle, I know how to connect it
2016-12-01T10:57:23 < dongs> without installing your dumb app
2016-12-01T10:57:25 < dongs> FAGGOT!!!
2016-12-01T10:57:30 < upgrdman> lol
2016-12-01T10:57:32 < ohsix> why would you do that with the application
2016-12-01T10:57:52 < ohsix> aside from bt le having different shit
2016-12-01T10:58:04 < upgrdman> ohsix, would be nice. imagine giving a customer an app that automagically find your bt dongle based on name or serial or whatever. so it's like more idiotproof
2016-12-01T10:58:16 < dongs> i remember in like 1996
2016-12-01T10:58:20 < Kliment> ohsix: Say you have an indoor navigation app that uses beacons for triangulation
2016-12-01T10:58:21 < dongs> it was a thing to create dialup profiles
2016-12-01T10:58:25 < ohsix> they have well known names
2016-12-01T10:58:28 < dongs> by apps that get installed
2016-12-01T10:58:30 < dongs> like aol or whatever
2016-12-01T10:58:38 < dongs> your self-attaching bluetooth idea is like that
2016-12-01T10:58:40 < dongs> nobody wants it.
2016-12-01T10:58:50 < ohsix> upgrdman: going by mac or something would be a regression
2016-12-01T10:58:52 < Kliment> ohsix: You need to grab advertising data and RSSI off the air, by UUID
2016-12-01T10:58:54 < dongs> people knew how to setup dialer
2016-12-01T10:59:01 < ohsix> what is the actual drama
2016-12-01T10:59:04 < dongs> you gave them a number and they know where to go to add it.
2016-12-01T10:59:19 < upgrdman> ohsix, drama is Kliment said linux has better dicktooth support than windows
2016-12-01T10:59:24 < Kliment> ohsix: You can do that on every other OS, including the mobule ones
2016-12-01T10:59:34 < Kliment> ohsix: but Windows doesn't provide a way to do it
2016-12-01T11:00:05 < Kliment> mobile*
2016-12-01T11:00:40 < ohsix> why do you need to do that
2016-12-01T11:00:44 < dongs> i'll let o6 handle googling this one
2016-12-01T11:00:52 < dongs> most likely its even possible, youre just too dumb to find it / figure out how
2016-12-01T11:00:55 < ohsix> upgrdman: eh i've used it a lot recently, but zero windows
2016-12-01T11:01:13 < ohsix> it's not bad, could be better, but is much better than it was just a few years ago
2016-12-01T11:01:13 < Kliment> dongs: It's a known bug, been ignored for years
2016-12-01T11:01:19 < dongs> OH NOES I CANT FOPEN /DEV/BTDONGLE MUST COMPLAIN TO BILL GATES FOR MAKING SHIT OS LOL!!1
2016-12-01T11:01:19 < ohsix> bluetooth is generally weird
2016-12-01T11:01:24 < ohsix> Kliment: bug?
2016-12-01T11:01:37 < Kliment> ohsix: That you can only get advertising data for devices already paired
2016-12-01T11:01:38 < ohsix> tell dongs i'll take over if he unignores moe ;D
2016-12-01T11:02:03 < Kliment> ohsix: And beacon-style devices don't pair, they only send advertisements
2016-12-01T11:02:35 < ohsix> le has an entirely different access model
2016-12-01T11:02:48 < Kliment> ohsix: Indeed, but it still supports pairing (they call it bonding)
2016-12-01T11:03:28 < dongs> you two are bonding real well rite now ^_^
2016-12-01T11:03:48 < ohsix> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn936804(v=vs.85).aspx
2016-12-01T11:04:17 < Kliment> ohsix: Yep, that's the one that doesn't work correctly
2016-12-01T11:04:33 < ohsix> which part
2016-12-01T11:04:44 < Kliment> ohsix: Apparently they're gonna fix it any day now (since August)
2016-12-01T11:04:57 < Kliment> ohsix: It doesn't find devices that it doesn't already know about
2016-12-01T11:05:16 < ohsix> for what type of advertisement?
2016-12-01T11:05:25 < ohsix> that's not 'wrong' for most of them
2016-12-01T11:05:34 < Kliment> https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/e321cb3c-462a-4b16-b7e4-febdb3d0c7d6/windows-10-pairing-a-ble-device-from-code?forum=wdk
2016-12-01T11:06:32 < ohsix> pairing programmatically doesn't solve that problem lul
2016-12-01T11:07:03 < Kliment> "BluetoothLEDevice.FromBluetoothAddressAsync will fail if the device is not yet paired"
2016-12-01T11:07:47 < Kliment> anyway, at least they seem to be working on it
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2016-12-01T11:08:20 < Kliment> But there's still no way to make a program that will automagically find a certain device by UUID, connect to it, and subscribe to a characteristic update
2016-12-01T11:08:54 < Kliment> At least, none that I've found that works
2016-12-01T11:09:15 < Kliment> (if you know a way to do this, a customer of mine will be eternally grateful)
2016-12-01T11:10:15 < ohsix> why would you do that?
2016-12-01T11:10:26 < ohsix> like, i understand wanting to, but why wouldn't you just use the data profile
2016-12-01T11:10:45 < ohsix> if you're looking at entirely vendor shit you're going to have to pair
2016-12-01T11:11:07 < Kliment> I'm just using normal GATT
2016-12-01T11:11:40 < Kliment> As far as I can tell you can't even connect to a GATT device and do service discovery unless it's paired
2016-12-01T11:12:07 < ohsix> lul hydraulic press channel posted a video about nitrogen rockets, the guy getting up to stop the high speed camera is funny
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2016-12-01T11:13:00 < Kliment> OSX, iOS, Android, and Linux can all do that easily from code without pairing, so why does Windows require it?
2016-12-01T11:13:22 < Kliment> Especially if the device doesn't even require encryption or have a passcode or key
2016-12-01T11:14:50 < Kliment> Data service is unreliable when you have multiple devices updating at 50Hz
2016-12-01T11:15:11 < Kliment> Whereas GATT works great because the host does arbitration
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2016-12-01T11:15:43 < Kliment> if you're refering to placing data service info in the advertising packet
2016-12-01T11:18:42 < ohsix> bluez doesn't give you rssi unless you're paired either
2016-12-01T11:18:49 < ohsix> dunno about gatt
2016-12-01T11:19:22 < Kliment> Eh? I can connect in bluez without pairing
2016-12-01T11:19:38 < Kliment> and the RSSI is in the advertising info, hcitool lescan shows it
2016-12-01T11:21:02 < dongs> That's rssi'st.
2016-12-01T11:21:24 < ohsix> hcitool bonertown
2016-12-01T11:22:01 < Kliment> gatttool looks like it has too many ts but it doesn't
2016-12-01T11:22:20 < ohsix> so eh
2016-12-01T11:22:22 < upgrdman> whats the point of the capacitor in tesla coil schematics like this:  http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oSnCkO-6rMw/T4Q5FGPh3eI/AAAAAAAAAHI/PIYTh_Oyi7I/s1600/Schematic.jpg    is it just to delay current in the coil primary until the voltage is high?
2016-12-01T11:22:35 < ohsix> ooh something else
2016-12-01T11:22:48 < ohsix> it's a resonant tank circuit
2016-12-01T11:22:57 < dongs> you should ask that guy
2016-12-01T11:23:00 < dongs> whatever his nick was
2016-12-01T11:23:16 < dongs> expert at free energy tesla coils
2016-12-01T11:23:19 < dongs> just needs a capacitor
2016-12-01T11:23:20 < dongs> or two
2016-12-01T11:23:20 < ohsix> delay isn't quite right, but i think you know what you mean
2016-12-01T11:23:25 < ohsix> HUHU
2016-12-01T11:23:38 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i kinda understnad LC tank
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2016-12-01T11:23:43 < upgrdman> but why
2016-12-01T11:23:57 < upgrdman> youre feeding AC to the first transformer
2016-12-01T11:23:59 < ohsix> why wat
2016-12-01T11:24:02 < Kliment> upgrdman: Otherwise the voltage never gets hih enough to bridge the spark gap
2016-12-01T11:24:06 < Kliment> high*
2016-12-01T11:25:10 < Kliment> upgrdman: Then you discharge across the arc and the charge in the cap keeps it going a bit longer
2016-12-01T11:25:11 < upgrdman> Kliment, so its to take the turn the otherwise sinusoid output of the secondary into a spike for the coil's primary?
2016-12-01T11:25:32 < Kliment> upgrdman: That's a reasonable explanation I guess
2016-12-01T11:25:59 < upgrdman> ok well why even make it that complex. why not just feed AC to the coil's primary directly. would require too many turns on the coil seconary?
2016-12-01T11:26:48 < Kliment> upgrdman: Yeah you don't get nearly the same amplitude spikes in the primary
2016-12-01T11:27:07 < upgrdman> oh shit ya. di/dt is the important part.
2016-12-01T11:27:14 < upgrdman> forgot about that
2016-12-01T11:27:39 < Kliment> upgrdman: Plus you get way more current in the primary
2016-12-01T11:27:49 < Kliment> upgrdman: Which is not that great for this application
2016-12-01T11:27:51 < upgrdman> hmm. would pusling DC into the coil primary work tho? theres some TO220 with like 5ns rise time 100A 60V ratings
2016-12-01T11:28:27 < Kliment> upgrdman: I'm not sure. I'm thinking the voltage would be too low
2016-12-01T11:28:36 < ohsix> this months harbor freight ad is so xmas'd out
2016-12-01T11:28:44 < ohsix> they got like a designer or some shit
2016-12-01T11:28:46 < Kliment> upgrdman: But those desktop plasma globes use something like that
2016-12-01T11:28:56 < Kliment> ohsix: Does it jingle all the way?
2016-12-01T11:29:10 < ohsix> it has like, target/sears clothes spreads
2016-12-01T11:29:14 < ohsix> except it's hand tools
2016-12-01T11:29:34 < ohsix> hey you're the printrun guy right?
2016-12-01T11:29:48 < ohsix> what on earth is goign on with wxgtk3 and pronterface
2016-12-01T11:30:10 < ohsix> the inputs for extrusion/speed and tool switching are so horizontally narrow you can't see them
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2016-12-01T11:30:37 < Kliment> ohsix: I have no fucking idea. I'd really appreciate it if someone told me what the fuck is going on
2016-12-01T11:30:56 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-01T11:31:10 < ohsix> i could try and look into it, but i just needed it to work this afternoon lul
2016-12-01T11:31:16 < Kliment> Same
2016-12-01T11:31:19 < ohsix> there are errors on the terminal, sec
2016-12-01T11:31:30 < Kliment> They're unrelated I believe
2016-12-01T11:31:35 < ohsix> i think i saw someone posting them on gh already when i looked a few days ago
2016-12-01T11:31:36 < ohsix> right
2016-12-01T11:32:00 < ohsix> if i switch one of the options for the not control side of the ui, it won't start
2016-12-01T11:32:12 < Kliment> Ooh, that's new
2016-12-01T11:32:21 < upgrdman> oh looks like you can just PWM the coil primary  http://www.electroboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Basic-Schematic-1024x576.jpg
2016-12-01T11:32:23 < Kliment> Can you PM with details?
2016-12-01T11:32:35 < upgrdman> ghetto ass schematic layout though, lol
2016-12-01T11:32:50 < Kliment> upgrdman: I've seen worse
2016-12-01T11:32:50 < dongs> Kliment: i have his paypal address
2016-12-01T11:32:54 < dongs> you might need it.
2016-12-01T11:33:01 < ohsix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23562384/
2016-12-01T11:33:34 < ohsix> it just stalls after the last message before ^C, i waited a while
2016-12-01T11:33:36 < upgrdman> i wonder if shielding the electronics from the tesla coil spark would be hard
2016-12-01T11:33:42 < Kliment> ohsix: Whoashit
2016-12-01T11:33:57 < upgrdman> mainly the drive transistors since they in the line-of-fire ish
2016-12-01T11:33:59 < Kliment> ohsix: That's the best error message I've seen on this issue ever
2016-12-01T11:34:14 < Kliment> ohsix: Let me see if i can figure out what's happening there
2016-12-01T11:34:22 < Kliment> ohsix: How did you make that happen?
2016-12-01T11:34:48 < Kliment> Also, I appreciate that you're running my stuff out of a directory called "crap" :P
2016-12-01T11:34:52 < ohsix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23562393/
2016-12-01T11:35:04 < ohsix> i got lots of crap
2016-12-01T11:35:17 < ohsix> eh, let me make sure what it is
2016-12-01T11:35:33 < ohsix> that paste is messages about the symptoms not the cause afaik
2016-12-01T11:35:39 < Kliment> And again, please PM or dongs will start whining about ubuntu
2016-12-01T11:36:00 < zyp> haha
2016-12-01T11:37:37 < ohsix> shrug
2016-12-01T11:37:52 < ohsix> firs tpaste was related to setting the ui to one of the tabbed options
2016-12-01T11:38:57 < ohsix> today was really annoying, dual extruder bullshit probably isnt' worth the trouble
2016-12-01T11:39:22 < ohsix> by way of trying to set it up, found out that a printer that was otherwise working fine had the two z motors out of sync and the bed wasn't level
2016-12-01T11:41:13 < Kliment> Good times
2016-12-01T11:41:26 < ohsix> hehe
2016-12-01T11:41:31 < ohsix> i'm getting paid to do it
2016-12-01T11:41:44 < ohsix> guy wants some widgets for a board meeting with a logo and some stuff on it
2016-12-01T11:42:10 < ohsix> only problem i've got is that what i started with was ok, but wrong; and i could have printed them slightly wrong. i have to work to get back to that now that it is 'right'
2016-12-01T11:42:39 < stvn> hi ohsix 
2016-12-01T11:42:43 < ohsix> hi steef
2016-12-01T11:42:50 < stvn> have you got any pieces
2016-12-01T11:43:05 < stvn> dwx3312
2016-12-01T11:43:09 < ohsix> Kliment: is there a trick to getting better finish on the top of flat shit? like there's the perimeter and that's flat then there's a rosette line and the grid
2016-12-01T11:43:32 < ohsix> stvn: nope
2016-12-01T11:43:44 < stvn> damn
2016-12-01T11:43:56 < stvn> hope the bastards have it in stock
2016-12-01T11:44:16 < ohsix> do you have space to scrap junk?
2016-12-01T11:44:26 < Kliment> ohsix: show me?
2016-12-01T11:44:29 < ohsix> er, well, ones that are a total loss or you pick out of stuff
2016-12-01T11:44:34 < ohsix> Kliment: don't have any here, sec
2016-12-01T11:44:59 < ohsix> Kliment: i think i need to make top layer thicker or something so nozzle isn't dragging its balls over it
2016-12-01T11:45:16 < Kliment> ohsix: I can't really picture what you're saying but sounds like extrusion amount is very slightly off or you're printing a tad too cold
2016-12-01T11:45:29 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/Uz0WgEQl.jpg
2016-12-01T11:45:45 < Kliment> yeah that's overextrusion
2016-12-01T11:46:06 < Kliment> Too much material, nowhere for it to go, so it goes all over the place
2016-12-01T11:46:23 < ohsix> photobucket sucks http://s92.photobucket.com/user/solarenemy/media/topfill.jpg.html
2016-12-01T11:46:29 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-01T11:46:45 < ohsix> why would it be doing that, i calibrated esteps and i thoguht that was all that was involved
2016-12-01T11:46:52 < ohsix> also filament diameter is right in slicer
2016-12-01T11:47:18 < Kliment> how right? maybe your filament diam changes as you go down the roll
2016-12-01T11:47:29 < Kliment> try reduce it a little bit, print a cube, see how it looks
2016-12-01T11:47:31 < ohsix> it isn't just the top that gets shitted up like that, so if i were to fix it stuff would be better overall
2016-12-01T11:47:35 < ohsix> k
2016-12-01T11:48:05 < Kliment> I mean, reduce extrusion amount, not filament diameter setting (which would do the opposite)
2016-12-01T11:48:11 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/bfWfyNh.jpg seems everyone has the same type of thing
2016-12-01T11:48:43 < ohsix> right, or increase filament diameter, don't have the ui in front of me, can't remember what the feed rate is called
2016-12-01T11:48:53 < ohsix> i'm excited to hear that it can be fixed tho
2016-12-01T11:49:30 < ohsix> i had contented myself with just the round features and edges coming out right, and if i needed it to look nice, have the plate side be presented
2016-12-01T11:49:50 < Kliment> It can definitely be fixed
2016-12-01T11:49:55 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-01T11:50:05 < ohsix> i gotta start using slic3r and stop fucking with cura tho
2016-12-01T11:50:13 < Kliment> if you can spare the time, lie to slic3r and tell it you have a smaller nozzle
2016-12-01T11:50:20 < ohsix> was using it cuz other people had
2016-12-01T11:50:28 < Kliment> It will give you slower prints but way better surfaces
2016-12-01T11:50:34 < ohsix> right
2016-12-01T11:52:52 < ohsix> so eh
2016-12-01T11:53:01 < ohsix> what can you do about a bed not being super flat all over
2016-12-01T11:53:11 < stvn> throw a fat chick on it
2016-12-01T11:53:12 < ohsix> i kind of had to compromise on the adjustment
2016-12-01T11:53:20 < stvn> then make her pay for a new one
2016-12-01T11:54:20 < ohsix> see, that's what i'd normally do
2016-12-01T11:54:32 < ohsix> Steffanx: did you get ebay to talk to gps guy?
2016-12-01T11:55:55 < ohsix> nurdrage talks about scamming ebay pricing error on tritium, made me think a bout it
2016-12-01T11:56:12 < Kliment> ohsix: auto bed level
2016-12-01T11:56:44 < Kliment> ohsix: Get an inductive sensor if metal bed or a microswitch and servo otherwise
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2016-12-01T11:58:27 < ohsix> Kliment: will that probe a big grid and correct in software or something?
2016-12-01T11:58:50 < ohsix> i checked 9 points, and another 9 about halfway from edge/center/corner
2016-12-01T11:58:55 < Kliment> ohsix: not a big grid, just 3x3
2016-12-01T11:59:00 < Kliment> ohsix: and yeah
2016-12-01T11:59:24 < ohsix> marlin firmwares can do that?
2016-12-01T12:00:12 < ohsix> dunno if i'll bother modding their printer, but might make my own eventually
2016-12-01T12:00:53 < Kliment> of course they can
2016-12-01T12:00:56 < Kliment> Since 2012
2016-12-01T12:01:43 < ohsix> so wat do you do, provide switch/inductive input and it does something like the homing sequence, records results in firmware?
2016-12-01T12:02:16 < ohsix> why does anyone use a z limit swithc, and not just put it on the print head so it can be z and levelling input
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2016-12-01T12:06:21 < Kliment> ohsix: because not everyone has a leveling setup
2016-12-01T12:06:34 < Kliment> ohsix: some people actually do exactly what you say
2016-12-01T12:06:51 < Kliment> ohsix: The core issue is the switch needs to be lower than the nozzle
2016-12-01T12:07:09 < ohsix> ah
2016-12-01T12:07:13 < Kliment> ohsix: Otherwise you have no adjustment range
2016-12-01T12:07:27 < ohsix> so you swin git out of the way when you're not doing calibration?
2016-12-01T12:07:29 < Kliment> ohsix: So you need a servo or other setup to push the switch down
2016-12-01T12:07:35 < Kliment> Yep
2016-12-01T12:07:53 < ohsix> k, that explains it well enough
2016-12-01T12:08:18 < ohsix> seems like you could have a little lever to have it be level with printhead for z homing, and swing it down for bed levelling
2016-12-01T12:08:47 < ohsix> how does marlin do the correction? move z when the other axis move? do you happen to know where the code is in the fw?
2016-12-01T12:08:49 < Kliment> ohsix: You don't need homing if you have leveling
2016-12-01T12:09:00 < Kliment> And yes, it's a correcting Z move
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2016-12-01T12:09:09 < Kliment> I don't remember offhand, sorry
2016-12-01T12:09:19 < ohsix> k
2016-12-01T12:09:34 < Kliment> It's just a grid interpolation
2016-12-01T12:09:38 < ohsix> i think after i get this doen i'm gonna figure out how to do the plating in pronterface & use slic3r
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2016-12-01T12:09:50 < Kliment> Slic3r can do plating
2016-12-01T12:10:21 < ohsix> i had an interesting problem, also probably related to over extrusion. the shop needed a part that could hold some light sensor legs in it
2016-12-01T12:10:34 < ohsix> when i got it to print one well, it was great and all the holes were open
2016-12-01T12:10:59 < ohsix> when i plated them, ones in certain rows sliced differently enough for one half of the hole to be closed up, it was really weird
2016-12-01T12:11:20 < Kliment> Yeah, that'd be the infill pushing the perimeter of the hole
2016-12-01T12:11:28 < Kliment> Due to overextrusion
2016-12-01T12:12:00 < Kliment> Okay, i gotta go get some shit done
2016-12-01T12:12:05 < ohsix> when you uh, when you plate a bunch of parts & slice them with slic3r or whatever, can you make the infill have a reference to the local part instead of being 'global'
2016-12-01T12:12:18 < ohsix> or do you just have to space them a certain way so the infill happens to line up
2016-12-01T12:12:27 < Kliment> No, but it shouldn't actually make a difference - if it does you have other problems
2016-12-01T12:12:35 < ohsix> k
2016-12-01T12:12:54 < ohsix> was just shooting for reproducability, ya i'll fix the other junk now that i know it can be better
2016-12-01T12:13:16 < Kliment> You should be going for reproduceablity - but infill should not be a factor there
2016-12-01T12:13:35 < Kliment> Anyways, infill is per-part, just the infill orientation depends on part rotation
2016-12-01T12:13:49 < ohsix> it's hard to figure this stuff out withotu a lot of work, the line widths and heights are pretty small; the diagrams that show how to get the aspect ratio right hare helpful but i need to get out the microscope :D
2016-12-01T12:14:32 < ohsix> thanks for all the info
2016-12-01T12:14:53 < ohsix> hopefully i can manage to do this long enough while getting paid that it wont' get ultimately annoying ;]
2016-12-01T12:17:04 < ohsix> guh i need to find a brass drift to fix car, harbor freight doesn't have them so i'm stumped
2016-12-01T12:17:39 < Kliment> You know harbor freight missed an excellent marketing opportunity in october
2016-12-01T12:17:56 < Kliment> halloween shit catalog could have been titled "harbor fright"
2016-12-01T12:18:14 < ohsix> hehe
2016-12-01T12:18:24 < ohsix> would take a great deal of imagination to do more than tha ttho
2016-12-01T12:18:55 < ohsix> there's nto a lot you can spin for halloween, at least not withotu a lot of special holiday skus, like strings of lights or solar lamp lights
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2016-12-01T12:24:58 < ohsix> gah imgur just told me my account is a year old and it made me want to not use it
2016-12-01T12:27:58 < ohsix> https://ir.ebaystatic.com/rtm/0/RTMS/Image/02054HolHub4_HPBB-Static_Large.jpg dongs spotted
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2016-12-01T12:32:42 < dongs> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/30/fitbit-pebble/ lol
2016-12-01T12:33:22 < Kliment> Poor pebble - last year Citizen made them an offer for 700+M
2016-12-01T12:34:04 < dongs> lol
2016-12-01T12:34:05 < dongs> and the refused?
2016-12-01T12:34:14 < dongs> fucking RIP
2016-12-01T12:35:06 < Kliment> I don't know why that deal fell through
2016-12-01T12:35:16 < Kliment> Maybe their investors thought they could get better
2016-12-01T12:36:09 < Kliment> Fitbit said they would shut them down
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2016-12-01T12:37:28 < dongs> cool
2016-12-01T12:37:33 < dongs> i didnt read that far
2016-12-01T12:37:49 < Kliment> I didn't read that one at all
2016-12-01T12:38:07 < dongs> Further, The Information said that the deal will see Pebble and its products closed down over time, with Fitbit acquiring its assets, which include intellectual property and software.
2016-12-01T12:38:12 < dongs> hjeh
2016-12-01T12:38:49 < Kliment> basically they want their employees, who managed to build a better software ecosystem than the two giants
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2016-12-01T12:50:09 < ohsix> fitbit more like fatbutt
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2016-12-01T13:02:12 < dongs> dumbasses should haev taken citizen offer last year
2016-12-01T13:02:28 < dongs> dumb startups are dumb
2016-12-01T13:18:13 < Kliment> dongs: Who knows why they didn't - the details of the deal were not public, maybe they wanted the soul of their firstborn or something
2016-12-01T13:20:12 < dongs> sorry guy
2016-12-01T13:20:18 < dongs> in a dying market of smartwatches
2016-12-01T13:20:30 < dongs> not taking 700mil and fucking off was insane
2016-12-01T13:29:30 < Kliment> I get you, but 700mil in cash is not the same as 700mil in stock that vests over n years during which they can fire you for any reason
2016-12-01T13:29:40 < Kliment> Or whatever
2016-12-01T13:30:41 < Kliment> There are many reasons a deal would fail, it's possible one of their investors said fuck this, if you can get 700mil you can IPO at a billion and the directors believed them
2016-12-01T13:31:01 < Kliment> It's possible they were just idiots
2016-12-01T13:31:13 < Kliment> It's very possible the deal was too good to be true
2016-12-01T13:31:40 < Kliment> One way or another, it didn't come to pass
2016-12-01T13:33:14  * karlp still doens't understand smart watches
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2016-12-01T13:57:23 < stvn> mickey mouse
2016-12-01T14:02:09 < stvn> https://youtu.be/uCm1iPLVe8I?t=4m20s
2016-12-01T14:06:42 < Kliment> karlp: I don't either, but a few friends of mine managed to get some very cheap and now use them all the time as a method of reducing smartphone addiction
2016-12-01T14:11:58 < karlp> stvn: that person is serious
2016-12-01T14:12:12 < karlp> I love people buiolding all the things they need as they go
2016-12-01T14:12:13 < stvn> prolly
2016-12-01T14:12:32 < karlp> what's the flame thrower thing running on?
2016-12-01T14:12:52 < karlp> oh, it's petrol powered
2016-12-01T14:12:53 < karlp> nice
2016-12-01T14:12:59 < stvn> haha
2016-12-01T14:13:08 < stvn> gasoline torch afaik
2016-12-01T14:13:21 < stvn> never knew they existed
2016-12-01T14:13:24 < karlp> are those still made?
2016-12-01T14:13:30 < stvn> probably not haha
2016-12-01T14:13:30 < karlp> it's like a lot of old fashioned camp stoves
2016-12-01T14:13:55 < karlp> I had a coleman petrol powered stove, worked really well, and a light too, was super handy travelling the states with chepa petrol
2016-12-01T14:14:09 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-01T14:14:20 < karlp> I like how they know how long it will take to melt the tar, like they've clearly done this before
2016-12-01T14:14:33 < stvn> true
2016-12-01T14:15:00 < karlp> so much space!!!! 
2016-12-01T14:15:19 < karlp> was this just a local utility pole transformer they're reusing?
2016-12-01T14:15:42 < stvn> neon sign transformer
2016-12-01T14:15:47 < stvn> big one
2016-12-01T14:15:56 < Kliment> I love the use of the torch next to the solvent can
2016-12-01T14:16:04 < stvn> safe
2016-12-01T14:16:16 < karlp> Kliment: doesn't actually use it there :)
2016-12-01T14:16:23 < karlp> you're a minute or two behind :)
2016-12-01T14:16:28 < Kliment> not the big one but the small one
2016-12-01T14:22:01 < Kliment> Got to the massive solvent spillage
2016-12-01T14:24:48 < karlp> yeah, goes well with the welding with bare hands earlier :)
2016-12-01T14:25:00 < karlp> "guess I won't be doing any welding in here for a bit"
2016-12-01T14:25:53 < dongs> LIVE from Apple event: A SMARTWATCH that can actually SUCK YOUR DICK? But wait! What Tim Cook is about to announce MIGHT ACTUALLY SHOCK YOU.
2016-12-01T14:26:21 < stvn> o
2016-12-01T14:27:00 < Kliment> no cutting compound on the badsaw?
2016-12-01T14:27:04 < Kliment> bandsaw*
2016-12-01T14:28:17 < dongs> about the only thing that made pebble relevant is that they used STM32
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2016-12-01T14:32:40 < karlp> hrm, timer chaining fail.  must be time for lunch
2016-12-01T14:35:06 < Kliment> dongs: Yeah? Which part?
2016-12-01T14:37:51 < dongs> D205 iirc
2016-12-01T14:37:53 < dongs> er F
2016-12-01T14:38:01 < dongs> the wlcsp one that broadcom & stuf used in their wifi shit
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2016-12-01T15:13:33 < dongs> pebble time used F439
2016-12-01T15:13:46 < dongs> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/Mmw4dYVvqmfJbt1W.huge
2016-12-01T15:16:22 < Kliment> dongs: Do you know a part number for those mid-mount buttons? I quite like them
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2016-12-01T15:19:28 < dongs> which, teh shit on that pic?
2016-12-01T15:19:35 < dongs> i never looked for something that small
2016-12-01T15:19:38 < Kliment> yeah those
2016-12-01T15:19:43 < dongs> so i donno :)
2016-12-01T15:19:55 < Kliment> The tallest part on several of my designs are the buttons
2016-12-01T15:20:53 < dongs> http://abusemark.com/store/images/panel.jpg <- i use that left/bottom side buttons on a lot of stuff now
2016-12-01T15:21:16 < dongs> they're about 2mm tall and have pegs through the pcb to stay in place
2016-12-01T15:21:29 < Kliment> nice, pn?
2016-12-01T15:21:56 < dongs> "TC-020" from china. lemme see if I can find the original url i git ot on
2016-12-01T15:23:17 < dongs> http://picclick.co.uk/20-Pcs-6x4x2mm-4-Pin-SPST-Momentary-Push-Button-262636599577.html
2016-12-01T15:23:51 < dongs> anyway, looks like ebay has those
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2016-12-01T15:24:09 < dongs> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121688675590 etc
2016-12-01T15:24:12 < Kliment> I was hoping for a major distributor
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2016-12-01T15:24:26 < dongs> i'm sure these are a clone of something
2016-12-01T15:24:46 < dongs> i donno i just tell chiangirl "send me 3000 of htese" and its done
2016-12-01T15:24:59 < dongs> but they work pretty good.
2016-12-01T15:25:26 < Kliment> They come reel-mounted?
2016-12-01T15:25:35 < dongs> yes
2016-12-01T15:26:03 < dongs> i had the url to original china place
2016-12-01T15:26:04 < dongs> but lost it
2016-12-01T15:26:08 < dongs> it was some bullshit random chinese name
2016-12-01T15:26:12 < dongs> szdiygsjfhsdjkhg.com or somethign
2016-12-01T15:26:30 < dongs> englishman might still have it bookmarked, he used some other style button from same place
2016-12-01T15:26:33 < Laurenceb_> A typical r/the_donald thread consists of a poorly sourced article with absolutely no evidence, such as something vaguely about Hillary's email server.
2016-12-01T15:26:37 < Kliment> What is that board btw?
2016-12-01T15:26:52 < Laurenceb_> top voted comments will be along the lines of: Top kek. Wew lad
2016-12-01T15:26:55 < dongs> the pic? displayport - > lcd panel thing w/backlight
2016-12-01T15:27:09 < Kliment> dongs: Do you happen to know anything about eDP?
2016-12-01T15:27:18 < dongs> thats what it doees
2016-12-01T15:27:22 < Kliment> dongs: Oh neat
2016-12-01T15:27:31 < dongs> i probably know enough to be dangerous. whats the question?
2016-12-01T15:27:31 < Kliment> dongs: So eDP is just DP on the signal level?
2016-12-01T15:27:34 < dongs> yeah.
2016-12-01T15:27:54 < Kliment> I had great difficulty finding any concrete documentation on the difference
2016-12-01T15:27:57 < dongs> it is exactly DP, tho depending on source you might need ac caps in series
2016-12-01T15:28:01 < dongs> there isnt any
2016-12-01T15:28:27 < dongs> there's some software differences in DPCD registers (like a bit telling you its edp)
2016-12-01T15:28:39 < Kliment> Was looking at some intel GPU datasheets and thought there must be a difference since they support eDP on one of the display interfaces but only normal DP on the other two
2016-12-01T15:28:40 < dongs> and that it doens't support hdcp (but supports some other shit called ASSR)
2016-12-01T15:29:10 < dongs> no, interface wise its exactly same thing.
2016-12-01T15:29:24 < Kliment> That's extremely useful to know
2016-12-01T15:30:23 < Kliment> So what's the micro for? Backlight control?
2016-12-01T15:30:36 < dongs> pretty much for making pwm
2016-12-01T15:30:45 < dongs> but nah there's a serial console for some lulz and random junk
2016-12-01T15:30:52 < dongs> surely can be reaplced wtih a attiny25 or somesthit.
2016-12-01T15:30:59 < Kliment> Or some specialized IC
2016-12-01T15:31:12 < Kliment> Would skip the need to flash it
2016-12-01T15:31:47 < dongs> thats ok, i gang program them in assembled panels, it literally takes like 5 seconds for 3 boards.
2016-12-01T15:32:37 < Kliment> Any reason for the LED on top to be placed so it has to cross the LVDS lines?
2016-12-01T15:33:38 < dongs> yes, beacuse it doesnt matter and because this was decided 2-3 years ago and people have made enclosures and stuff since then
2016-12-01T15:34:02 < dongs> http://abusemark.com/store/images/hdmidp.jpg i have another thing where i had to keep same arrangement of stuff for those reasons.
2016-12-01T15:35:51 < Kliment> Makes sense
2016-12-01T15:36:17 < Kliment> I guess you have enough layers in there anyway it makes no difference
2016-12-01T15:36:22 < dongs> only 2.
2016-12-01T15:36:43 < dongs> i'm cheap.
2016-12-01T15:36:48 < Kliment> 2 total or 2 inner?
2016-12-01T15:36:55 < dongs> 2 total
2016-12-01T15:37:28 < Kliment> So you have signal lanes crossing without a ground in between?
2016-12-01T15:37:41 < dongs> where d oyou see them crossing?>
2016-12-01T15:38:35 < Kliment> dongs: http://abusemark.com/store/images/panel.jpg bottom next to connector on left
2016-12-01T15:39:06 < Kliment> dongs: One of the diffpairs terminates in vias and given where it needs to end up it appears to be crossing the pair to its left
2016-12-01T15:39:12 < dongs> o, rite
2016-12-01T15:39:15 < dongs> cuz of minidp
2016-12-01T15:39:19 < Kliment> yep
2016-12-01T15:39:23 < dongs> that lane is like on the inner holes or someshit
2016-12-01T15:39:29 < dongs> shruggin' furiously
2016-12-01T15:39:34 < Kliment> It works ok?
2016-12-01T15:39:43 < dongs> absolutely.
2016-12-01T15:40:01 < Kliment> dongs: Cool stuff. I don't think I'd dare it at those speeds
2016-12-01T15:40:19 < dongs> only 1.6gbps per lane on that panel.
2016-12-01T15:40:28 < Kliment> dongs: Also the LED lines are breaking the reference plane under the diffpairs
2016-12-01T15:40:34 < dongs> yeah they totally are.
2016-12-01T15:40:38 < dongs> but again, who cares
2016-12-01T15:40:47 < Kliment> Hey, if it works :)
2016-12-01T15:40:51 < dongs> some polish jew connected this same panel to a dp socket by loose wires
2016-12-01T15:40:54 < dongs> just hanging there
2016-12-01T15:40:54 < dongs> and it works
2016-12-01T15:41:16 < Kliment> Does it still work at the max rated DP wire length?
2016-12-01T15:41:42 < dongs> you mean 20 something meters?
2016-12-01T15:41:46 < dongs> you can send me a 20meter dp cable and I'l ltry it otu
2016-12-01T15:41:47 < Kliment> 2m
2016-12-01T15:41:54 < dongs> er, it definitely w orks at 2m.
2016-12-01T15:41:59 < Kliment> I think dp is rated for 2m
2016-12-01T15:42:00 < dongs> i've even got that cable.
2016-12-01T15:42:11 < Kliment> I'd need to double check but it's what I got from memory
2016-12-01T15:42:54 < dongs> anyawy, yeah 2m is totally fine.
2016-12-01T15:43:03 < Kliment> cool cool
2016-12-01T15:43:05 < dongs> i dont have anything longer.
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2016-12-01T15:43:30 < karlp> Kliment: these look pretty slimline... http://picclick.co.uk/50pcs-4x4x08mm-Tact-Switch-4-Pin-SMT-SMD-221923606185.html
2016-12-01T15:43:32 < Kliment> I was thinking about routing eDP on a 16cm long PCB and was wondering how robust it is
2016-12-01T15:43:39 < Kliment> I guess this answers my question
2016-12-01T15:44:00 < Kliment> karlp: Do you have a part number that any of the major dists carry?
2016-12-01T15:44:05 < dongs> karlp: thats the ones im using. that site looks like some scam ebayt scraper tho
2016-12-01T15:44:09 < dongs> i only went there cuz of hte pic
2016-12-01T15:45:01 < Kliment> dongs: Is that board limited to the resolution/panel you have silkscreened on?
2016-12-01T15:45:03 < dongs> karlp: (the .jpegs i linked with those switches on them
2016-12-01T15:45:11 < dongs> Kliment: yea its for that specific panel.
2016-12-01T15:45:13 < dongs> cuz of connector.
2016-12-01T15:45:17 < Kliment> dongs: Which panel is it?
2016-12-01T15:45:22 < dongs> the ipad3/4 thing.
2016-12-01T15:45:33 < Kliment> dongs: and can I buy one of those boards off you?
2016-12-01T15:46:01 < dongs> er, you can delete the url until /store/ i guess.
2016-12-01T15:46:25 < Kliment> Shit, all in yens
2016-12-01T15:46:55 < Kliment> ah, there's a currency switcher hidden at the bottom
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2016-12-01T15:48:15 < karlp> dongs: hrm, maybe the link went weird, I meant these ones: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221923606185?clk_rvr_id=1132604879144&rmvSB=true
2016-12-01T15:48:25 < karlp> and no, no idea where to buy them, just saw them as being super slim
2016-12-01T15:48:42 < dongs> ah
2016-12-01T15:48:46 < dongs> yeah those are chinaspecial too
2016-12-01T15:48:48 < dongs> holy shit nice price
2016-12-01T15:49:26 < dongs> I like those 'detail image" things
2016-12-01T15:49:29 < dongs> enhance
2016-12-01T15:49:32 < dongs> ENHANCE
2016-12-01T15:49:36 < dongs> [ DICKS ]
2016-12-01T15:49:37 < karlp> economy's booming dontchaknow
2016-12-01T15:49:40 < Kliment> dongs: I'll have to see if I can source those panels somewhere easily
2016-12-01T15:49:48 < dongs> Kliment: like 20-30$ on ebay
2016-12-01T15:50:32 < Kliment> dongs: There's some lovely eDP panels at the same res but in a more reasonable size, but they probably won't have that connector
2016-12-01T15:50:52 < dongs> define "reasonable"
2016-12-01T15:50:59 < Kliment> dongs: Somewhat larger
2016-12-01T15:51:11 < Kliment> dongs: 12", 13"
2016-12-01T15:52:20 < Kliment> dongs: I don't like the 9.5" for non-tablet use, my vision is not that great anymore
2016-12-01T15:52:34 < dongs> heh heh
2016-12-01T15:54:26 < dongs> anyway, the 'standard' thing for 1080p edp panels is the 30pin ipex thing
2016-12-01T15:55:50 < dongs> its even standartized in vesa or dispalyport docs or someshit
2016-12-01T15:55:55 < dongs> for 2 lane
2016-12-01T15:55:58 < dongs> and 40pin for 4 lane
2016-12-01T15:56:02 < dongs> most 2 lane have built in backlight
2016-12-01T15:56:20 < dongs> so they just need 3.3V and 12V and the dp lanes 
2016-12-01T15:56:34 < dongs> 4 lane is about half and half, some have built in backlight some you gotta drive the leds.
2016-12-01T15:57:35 < Kliment> dongs: this is a nice panel http://www.panelook.com/LP140QH1-SPB1_LG%20Display_14.0_LCM_overview_21975.html
2016-12-01T15:58:30 < dongs> 200bux
2016-12-01T15:58:33 < dongs> yeah, nice
2016-12-01T15:58:41 < dongs> o, 100 if i search better
2016-12-01T15:58:42 < dongs> not bad.
2016-12-01T15:58:48 < Kliment> As is this http://www.panelook.com/LQ116T1JW03_SHARP_11.6_LCM_overview_24745.html
2016-12-01T15:59:41 < dongs> the problem with all those is the connector.
2016-12-01T15:59:49 < dongs> each one needs different fucking cable
2016-12-01T16:00:09 < dongs> china somewhat solved this by making huge through-hole 2.54mm headers on thier display boards and making adapter pcbs or cables to gfo between them
2016-12-01T16:00:34 < dongs> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vk4AAOSwLnBX6fLn/s-l1600.jpg
2016-12-01T16:00:37 < dongs> but t hey all look fucking nasty
2016-12-01T16:00:50 < dongs> that white FPC is the thing that goes to your panel
2016-12-01T16:01:08 < dongs> and then they have adapter/converter shit in there that turns into regular pin headers on the end
2016-12-01T16:01:47 < Kliment> Those huge connectors are standard industrial display connectors, 40 pins
2016-12-01T16:02:11 < Kliment> Very likely the adapter boards are reusing those
2016-12-01T16:02:12 < dongs> the shit with twisted wires?
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2016-12-01T16:02:23 < Kliment> The thing it plugs into
2016-12-01T16:02:35 < Kliment> With the 2x20 2.54mm
2016-12-01T16:02:50 < dongs> those are not 40 pin, they're 2x15
2016-12-01T16:02:54 < dongs> and pinout is usually some chink "standard"
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2016-12-01T16:03:13 < Kliment> Ok wtf
2016-12-01T16:03:35 < Kliment> I've seen those in 2x20 before, and they're on all the industrial SBCs
2016-12-01T16:03:42 < Kliment> I thought it wa sjust reusing those
2016-12-01T16:04:04 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/201732454892 good thing i dont sell shit on ebay
2016-12-01T16:04:13 < dongs> lol @ $2.30 for that thing
2016-12-01T16:05:29 < dongs> whatever it is
2016-12-01T16:05:31 < dongs> VGA to LVDS i guess
2016-12-01T16:05:49 < Kliment> http://www.axiomtek.com/Download/Photo/pico300.jpg see the connector on the left?
2016-12-01T16:06:05 < Kliment> That's the one I was thinking about
2016-12-01T16:06:10 < dongs> heh yeah no
2016-12-01T16:06:43 < Kliment> They're on every SBC, they're crazy cheap and a whole bunch of small panels talk to those
2016-12-01T16:07:22 < Kliment> That 2x15 one appears to be the same thing with the ground pins between pairs removed
2016-12-01T16:09:42 < dongs> heh
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2016-12-01T16:22:46 < dongs> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate-alt-right-hate-trump this is a Laurenceb-worthy link
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2016-12-01T16:33:08 < dongs> BREAKING Buzz Aldrin evacuated from South Pole
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2016-12-01T17:04:02 < jadew> I never understood exactly what gamergate was
2016-12-01T17:04:20 < XTL> sounds stupid enough that I haven't cared
2016-12-01T17:04:23 < jadew> is that the movement of the stuck up feminists or the response of the gamers to their movement?
2016-12-01T17:04:43 < jadew> or it's referring to the whole thing?
2016-12-01T17:05:05 < jadew> feminists vs game nerds?
2016-12-01T17:06:15 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
2016-12-01T17:06:17 < jadew> wtf?
2016-12-01T17:06:23 < jadew> who would want to identify himself with that?
2016-12-01T17:07:05 < karlp> weird. _write is called with a garbage pointer.  length is correct.
2016-12-01T17:08:37 < BrainDamage> industry exploited overly sexualized chars just like hollywood, but game industry has always been railed over worse in comparison, then it turns out one of the most ferocious critics of the practice ( which is also a game dev ) allegedly or not entered a relationship with a journalist to get positive reviews, and that opened a pandora's box of self criticism vs opportunistic attacks on the gaming industry and sexism
2016-12-01T17:10:05 < BrainDamage> quickly after i started it turned into "trolls trolling trolls", and it become impossibile to distinguish legit extremists from parodies or troll provocations
2016-12-01T17:11:45 < BrainDamage> there's been multiple cases of harrassment, both online and not for the people involved, and even official fbi enquires to expand their power to cover the jurisdiction on online harrassment were done
2016-12-01T17:12:17 < Spirit532> what the fuck are you talking about
2016-12-01T17:12:19 < Spirit532> on ##stm32
2016-12-01T17:12:35 < BrainDamage> somethin jaden smith asked for
2016-12-01T17:12:40 < Spirit532> go to /pol/ or /b/ or wherever the hell it's acceptable
2016-12-01T17:12:49 < jadew> it's acceptable here, thanks
2016-12-01T17:13:08 < Spirit532> nobody needs the sjw shitstorm
2016-12-01T17:13:16 < jadew> BrainDamage, thanks for the info
2016-12-01T17:13:18 < BrainDamage> yeah, the whole topic is toxic
2016-12-01T17:13:19 < Spirit532> let the attackers attack themselves to death
2016-12-01T17:13:26 < Spirit532> stop listening and they'll stop crying
2016-12-01T17:13:28 < BrainDamage> stay away
2016-12-01T17:16:28 < dongs> jadew: "feminist" movement started by a M2F
2016-12-01T17:16:35 < dongs> thats really all you need to know/carea
2016-12-01T17:16:53 < dongs> basically like LeelooMinai joinining in here and complaining about dongs
2016-12-01T17:17:10 < jadew> haha
2016-12-01T17:20:39 < jadew> did you guys know wireshark can now sniff usb?
2016-12-01T17:20:48 < Laurenceb> holy fucking tl;dr
2016-12-01T17:20:52 < karlp> has for a few years dude
2016-12-01T17:21:01 < karlp> jadew: I used wireshark to do stlinkv2 stuff 
2016-12-01T17:21:22 < karlp> jadew: you can even write your own usb protocol decoders in lua ;)
2016-12-01T17:21:25 < Laurenceb> shit is was a _me_ tier link
2016-12-01T17:21:27 < jadew> nice, I just reinstalled it and noticed the option
2016-12-01T17:21:31 < Laurenceb> lul gamergoys
2016-12-01T17:21:46 < Laurenceb> they got played like musical instruments
2016-12-01T17:22:11 < Laurenceb> by Milo/Sarkassian
2016-12-01T17:22:33 < jadew> brb, reboot
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2016-12-01T17:22:40 < Kliment> brb, brain reboot
2016-12-01T17:22:44 < Laurenceb> lul Gruniad get it all wrong
2016-12-01T17:22:49 < Kliment> too much ##stm32
2016-12-01T17:22:58 < Laurenceb> Gamergate were tards who got played by everyone
2016-12-01T17:23:32 < Laurenceb> Trump saw this and decided he could copy tactics to play electorate
2016-12-01T17:23:34 < Laurenceb> ^truth
2016-12-01T17:23:46 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Please, I don't wanna hear this
2016-12-01T17:23:50 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-12-01T17:23:59 < Laurenceb> cuz you is gamergater am i rite?
2016-12-01T17:23:59 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Let's talk fucking hemoglobin or something
2016-12-01T17:24:13 < Kliment> No, just tired of the whole thing
2016-12-01T17:24:14 < Laurenceb> you get played by far left and far right at the same time :P
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2016-12-01T17:25:23 < Laurenceb>  "Brianna Wu was one of women targeted for abuse and death threats"
2016-12-01T17:25:28 < jadew> if I knew about the USB stuff in wireshark maybe things would have been easier when I wrote that client for seek thermal
2016-12-01T17:25:31 < Laurenceb> everything about that sentence is wrong
2016-12-01T17:25:33 < TheSeven> hm, still stuck with that failing DMA SPI thing
2016-12-01T17:25:41 < jadew> I used something called usblyzer or so
2016-12-01T17:25:49 < TheSeven> I set up TX and RX DMA with 32 bytes each to some SPI interface
2016-12-01T17:25:57 < TheSeven> TX completes, RX has 2 bytes left
2016-12-01T17:26:04 < jadew> but it was trial and had a bunch of issues with it
2016-12-01T17:26:17 < TheSeven> and it only happens when some other code is running at the time that this transfer is active
2016-12-01T17:26:31 < TheSeven> I suspect congestion on the SRAM
2016-12-01T17:26:36 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Speaking of hemoglobin
2016-12-01T17:26:50 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Did you see that sitcom script about theranos?
2016-12-01T17:27:02 < Laurenceb> this sounds funny
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2016-12-01T17:27:04 < Laurenceb> no
2016-12-01T17:27:04 < TheSeven> but I would have hoped that SPI would stop issuing TX DMA requests until its RX buffer has space?
2016-12-01T17:27:08 < karlp> jadew: http://false.ekta.is/2013/11/decoding-vendor-specific-usb-protocols-with-wireshark-lua-plugins/ 
2016-12-01T17:27:26 < Kliment> Laurenceb: pricks.com (yes really)
2016-12-01T17:27:32 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-12-01T17:27:49 < jadew> karlp, really nice
2016-12-01T17:27:58 < Laurenceb> wut https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56345cc7e4b017e2546ad875/5636e63fe4b06f8cdabccf63/5639175ae4b02023ec3c5f9b/1446582144821/Blood_Fairy_Final.png?format=750w
2016-12-01T17:28:17 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Just read the script. It will all make sense
2016-12-01T17:28:21 < Laurenceb> this is slightly alarming
2016-12-01T17:28:43 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Coming from you, at that
2016-12-01T17:28:53 < Laurenceb> heh
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2016-12-01T17:31:36 < TheSeven> a higher value in the DMA channel priority field means higher priority, right?
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2016-12-01T17:43:11 < dongs> TheSeven: why would it
2016-12-01T17:44:11 < englishman> dongs im sure anything i use is far too nonpro for this guy
2016-12-01T17:45:52 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgtc.com/QX2EWed.png
2016-12-01T17:48:56 < Rob235> why doesn't smb work in ubu grr
2016-12-01T17:49:24 < englishman> fuck, is pebble dying
2016-12-01T17:49:29 < englishman> its the only smartwatch worth owning
2016-12-01T17:49:33 < englishman> and the sdk is awesome
2016-12-01T17:49:50 < Kliment> englishman: Yeah it's dead
2016-12-01T17:50:08 < Kliment> englishman: They'll be killing off all the products and cannibalizing the assets
2016-12-01T17:50:45 < Rob235> where do you get cheap parts :)
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2016-12-01T17:56:00 < TheSeven> dongs: because RM0091 page 209 :P
2016-12-01T17:59:47 < TheSeven> but given that the SRAM is clocked at 48MHz with a 32bit bus, with a round-robin arbitrator, and the SPI bus is running at 6MHz... I really don't see how anything could overflow there
2016-12-01T18:00:56 < TheSeven> DMA might be dumb enough to do 8bit accesses for TX and RX each, so that would end up doing ~1.5Mops/sec
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2016-12-01T18:10:23 < aandrew> that's ok
2016-12-01T18:10:35 < aandrew> I have a fairly strong shadenfreude boner going on right now
2016-12-01T18:10:43 < aandrew> those fuckers owe me like $30k from their Allerta days
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2016-12-01T18:11:08 < aandrew> What blows my mind is that Eric (CEO of Pebble) had a 3/4 billion offer from Citizen and turned it down
2016-12-01T18:11:15 < aandrew> then a $70mil offer from Intel and turned it down
2016-12-01T18:11:29 < Kliment> aandrew: Yeah we talked about that here earlier
2016-12-01T18:11:56 < englishman> well
2016-12-01T18:12:03 < englishman> snapshat had a $3b offer
2016-12-01T18:12:05 < englishman> and turned it town
2016-12-01T18:12:06 < aandrew> lol pricks.com
2016-12-01T18:12:06 < englishman> down
2016-12-01T18:12:07 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-12-01T18:12:11 < englishman> now its $23b ipo
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2016-12-01T18:12:45 < englishman> for a dick pic company
2016-12-01T18:13:14  * TheSeven would probably just take the money and run if anyone offered him $3/4bn for anything
2016-12-01T18:13:25 < englishman> sure
2016-12-01T18:13:27 < englishman> me 2
2016-12-01T18:13:40 < TheSeven> I mean how would you ever really benefit more (personally) from owning anything more than that? even if it's 100 times as much?
2016-12-01T18:13:41 < englishman> especially for some dumb app
2016-12-01T18:14:31 < Kliment> TheSeven: My theory is their investors balked
2016-12-01T18:15:14 < aandrew> TheSeven: yep me too
2016-12-01T18:15:33 < aandrew> I mean iti's a watch. it's a one trick pony and he always said he wanted to be bought by a watch company
2016-12-01T18:15:39 < aandrew> why he turned down citizen I don't know, but fuck him.
2016-12-01T18:16:26 < Kliment> Maybe they offered terrible terms
2016-12-01T18:16:45 < aandrew> still, 3/4bil, wear some golden handcuffs for a while
2016-12-01T18:16:52 < aandrew> maybe it was a golden ballgag though
2016-12-01T18:16:57 < Kliment> Like we value the company at 700mil but it only vests after ten years of you being our slave, during which time we can fire you for no reason
2016-12-01T18:22:41 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/Jg0gWBo.gif
2016-12-01T18:26:49 < englishman> so old bro
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2016-12-01T18:28:00 < karlp> anyone had any retarget issues with gcc 5.2+? https://paste.fedoraproject.org/494765/06096401/ looks like it's trying to let the constant string stay in flash, but... something goes wrong?
2016-12-01T18:32:41 < TheSeven> karlp: the pointer address seems weird
2016-12-01T18:32:45 < karlp> indeed.
2016-12-01T18:32:51 < TheSeven> that would quite likely be beyond the end of flash?
2016-12-01T18:33:01 < karlp> but I don'ðt know where it's coming from
2016-12-01T18:33:13 < TheSeven> what does that call look like?
2016-12-01T18:33:37 < karlp> printf("hi guys!\n");
2016-12-01T18:34:08 < TheSeven> how is printf defined?
2016-12-01T18:34:26 < TheSeven> seems to be something funny as there isn't even a trailing NUL byte in gcc 4.9
2016-12-01T18:34:44 < TheSeven> must be some funny macro or something...
2016-12-01T18:35:03 < karlp> the len is 9 for both of them.
2016-12-01T18:35:23 < TheSeven> yeah, but I'm wondering what other funny things it might be doing
2016-12-01T18:35:32 < TheSeven> can you send me the .elf file?
2016-12-01T18:37:20 < karlp> http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/bugs/gcc-printf/
2016-12-01T18:43:39 < TheSeven> hmmm
2016-12-01T18:44:26 < TheSeven> I don't think this is a flash/const thing
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2016-12-01T18:46:02 < karlp> I'm opent o any suggestions, but the 4.9 one it's clearly an sram address that _write gets.
2016-12-01T18:46:12 < karlp> 5.2 is getting some.... totally garbage address
2016-12-01T18:48:11 < TheSeven> yes, but that's just printf's formatting buffer
2016-12-01T18:48:22 < TheSeven> I'll have a look if I see why
2016-12-01T18:49:23 < karlp> if I objdump the 4.9 elf, I can see a bunch of "data" at 8005e7c which has the hex for "hi guys"
2016-12-01T18:50:02 < karlp> it's at 8005ed8 in much the same place in the 5.2 elf,
2016-12-01T18:53:38 < karlp> fwiw, "size" on 4.9, 5.2 and 5.4 reports the size getting _bigger_ with the newer releases :)
2016-12-01T18:56:54 < TheSeven> can you get a stacktrace of the crash?
2016-12-01T18:57:08 < TheSeven> they're using some nasty indirect calls there
2016-12-01T18:57:18 < karlp> it doesn't crash, it runs on quite happily, I just don'ðt get printf.
2016-12-01T18:57:26 < karlp> myleds and timers all still tick along
2016-12-01T18:57:30 < TheSeven> or well let's say a stacktrace in that write call
2016-12-01T19:01:20 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/e2b305aec496d34dbeaed57abd481e561808d19be0e9255db3b79851a5f26d29.png
2016-12-01T19:01:21 < karlp> two new files in that directory, with backtraces and dissambly
2016-12-01T19:05:24 < TheSeven> hmmm
2016-12-01T19:05:32 < TheSeven> in _sbrk there's a suspicious difference
2016-12-01T19:05:59 < TheSeven> LDR R1, =_data_loadaddr in 4.9, LDR R1, =0x8080000 in 5.2
2016-12-01T19:06:34 < TheSeven> _data_loadaddr being 0x80060D4 in 4.9, 0x8006128 in 5.2
2016-12-01T19:07:09 < TheSeven> source code of that might help - is this somewhere on githib?
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2016-12-01T19:09:43 < karlp> TheSeven: of course: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/tree/master/examples/stm32/l1/stm32l-discovery/button-irq-printf
2016-12-01T19:09:50 < TheSeven> thx
2016-12-01T19:11:14 < TheSeven> just as a side note: PROVIDE(_stack = ORIGIN(ram) + LENGTH(ram)); seems like a bad idea to me
2016-12-01T19:11:44 < TheSeven> sure, it's what arduino etc. does, but it might cause very weird behavior instead of a clear crash in some stack overflow cases
2016-12-01T19:12:09 < TheSeven> I like to have my stack at the bottom of SRAM
2016-12-01T19:12:21 < TheSeven> or, on devices which have that, ccmram
2016-12-01T19:12:33 < karlp> the SP is defined to be decrementing though, how do you have it at bottom?
2016-12-01T19:12:52 < TheSeven> well initial SP as bottom + stack size
2016-12-01T19:13:19 < TheSeven> so that stack overflows just fault instead of causing heap corruption
2016-12-01T19:13:29 < fenugrec> hehe better have an invalid mem access hardfault than an overflow clobbering stuff
2016-12-01T19:13:35 < TheSeven> doubt that it's related to the problem here though
2016-12-01T19:13:39 < karlp> it's a nice point, sure, but it's not like it's just arduino that does that.
2016-12-01T19:13:55 < TheSeven> well, toyota did it as well :P
2016-12-01T19:14:00 < karlp> even the g-a-e examples do it.
2016-12-01T19:14:08 < karlp> and st's shipped ld files....
2016-12-01T19:14:27 < TheSeven> http://embeddedgurus.com/state-space/2014/02/are-we-shooting-ourselves-in-the-foot-with-stack-overflow/
2016-12-01T19:15:16 < karlp> it's probably a nice thing to do, sure, but I'm not really convinced it's the problem at hand.
2016-12-01T19:15:40 < TheSeven> it pretty certainly isn't, just something that I stumbled upon while looking at the linker scripts
2016-12-01T19:16:23 < karlp> the downside of your approach is you _must_ decide how much ram to allocate to stack right up front, from day 1
2016-12-01T19:16:36 < karlp> which is probably reasonable to do, but not as easy :)
2016-12-01T19:16:49 < TheSeven> I totally do understand why arduino did it ;)
2016-12-01T19:17:08 < karlp> well, arduino just inherited it from avr-gcc really
2016-12-01T19:18:18 < TheSeven> hmm where is that libc code hiding in libopencm3
2016-12-01T19:18:29 < TheSeven> are they using some kind of system libs?
2016-12-01T19:18:40 < TheSeven> that might well explain a lot of differences between gcc versions then
2016-12-01T19:22:34 < karlp> command lines are: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/494786/12948148/
2016-12-01T19:22:41 < karlp> with nosys, so _shouldn't_ be?
2016-12-01T19:23:33 < fenugrec> nostartfiles  ?
2016-12-01T19:23:41 < fenugrec> oh yeah using locm3's startup file I guess
2016-12-01T19:24:02 < karlp> yeah
2016-12-01T19:30:39 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/c44cf51ec0a2e07147ce0a54563ff1e9534b848e9864c6f258d60f569aea0fb1.jpg
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2016-12-01T19:46:04 < kakimir> how does stack overflow happens?
2016-12-01T19:46:27 < zyp> you take a stack and piss in it until it overflows
2016-12-01T19:46:39 < fenugrec> sums it up
2016-12-01T19:47:07 < kakimir> and it overflows to data area where the codes are?
2016-12-01T19:47:42 < kakimir> got it
2016-12-01T19:48:00 < kakimir> do not allocate any data anywhere if you don't really need to
2016-12-01T19:48:11 < kakimir> *memory
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2016-12-01T19:48:51 < kakimir> I wonder if you really need to allocate memory in engine management application if you don't want to
2016-12-01T19:49:00 < zyp> in a typical platform, stack and heap is placed in the free area in ram
2016-12-01T19:49:13 < zyp> heap growing from the bottom, stack growing from the top
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2016-12-01T19:49:41 < zyp> once the sum of them exceeds available space, you've got an overflow
2016-12-01T19:49:42 < kakimir> there is no illegal address thing to be placed in the way and to crash the program?
2016-12-01T19:49:55 < kakimir> in any mcus?
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2016-12-01T19:50:24 < zyp> you could use the MPU to restrict the area the stack is growing towards
2016-12-01T19:50:46 < zyp> ARMv8-M got some new stack guard functionality as well
2016-12-01T19:52:13 < zyp> on platforms with an MCU, there's usually a trap page below the stack, and the page fault that occurs when the stack grows into it triggers code to map up another page to extend it
2016-12-01T19:52:18 < fenugrec> i wonder what the recursive function(s) in toyota's ECU actually did... search / sort functionality?
2016-12-01T19:52:27 < kakimir> you should always have physical watchdog / external drivers that reset after a while in such application where it's like connected to car throttle
2016-12-01T19:52:56 < kakimir> *external watchdog
2016-12-01T19:53:06 < zyp> watchdogs doesn't prevent all bugs
2016-12-01T19:53:45 < zyp> I mean, you can keep kicking the watchdog while your code fails otherwise
2016-12-01T19:53:48 < fenugrec> kakimir read the Toyota report. they did have watchdogs etc
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2016-12-01T19:54:03 < zyp> watchdogs are mostly useful to recover from deadlocks
2016-12-01T19:54:15 < fenugrec> Toyota devs weren't the idiots some people think them to be
2016-12-01T19:55:05 < englishman> watchdoges
2016-12-01T19:55:14 < kakimir> hot dogs
2016-12-01T19:55:22 < englishman> hello kaks
2016-12-01T19:55:29 < Laurenceb> combo breaker
2016-12-01T19:57:39  * TheSeven loves getting nonsensical stack traces
2016-12-01T20:09:25 < Rob235> formatting and reinstalling win10 on my gaming htpc blows!
2016-12-01T20:10:19 < ReadErr> install lunix
2016-12-01T20:10:22 < ReadErr> ubutnu STEAM
2016-12-01T20:10:26 < ReadErr> STEAMBOX
2016-12-01T20:10:52 < Rob235> I was planning on adding a ubuntu partition
2016-12-01T20:11:01 < TheSeven> ...openELEC... *ducks*
2016-12-01T20:11:04 < Rob235> I dont really game much, its more for kodi
2016-12-01T20:11:11 < Laurenceb> open your sores
2016-12-01T20:11:39 < Rob235> locating and backing up game saves is a bitch though
2016-12-01T20:12:20  * TheSeven ponders getting a kodi android thing, but can't find anything reasonable (4K capable, ideally amlogic s912, >=2GB RAM, DVB-T2 tuner)
2016-12-01T20:13:33 < Rob235> yea I was thinking about it too but no point since I have my htpc and cheap ones like the fire stick can't handle 1080p x265
2016-12-01T20:14:04 < TheSeven> my parents just got a new 4K screen, so we need a DVR solution for that
2016-12-01T20:14:26 < Kliment> Solaris just got killed https://www.thelayoff.com/t/KBEVoB1
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2016-12-01T20:15:25 < ReadErr> chromecast ultra
2016-12-01T20:15:45 < ReadErr> i wonder if they have some hax to pipe other shit to it
2016-12-01T20:15:50 < ReadErr> the audio they do
2016-12-01T20:16:15 < Rob235> hmm $70
2016-12-01T20:17:51 < Rob235> ahh you have to use your phone as a remote, I don't like that
2016-12-01T20:28:45 < TheSeven> what does PC == 0xfffffffe tell me?
2016-12-01T20:32:18 < TheSeven> LR being 0xfffffff1, not very helpful either
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2016-12-01T20:33:44 < ReadErr> Rob235: not really
2016-12-01T20:33:53 < ReadErr> im using some python/node shit
2016-12-01T20:34:13 < ReadErr> on laptop
2016-12-01T20:35:30 < Rob235> I wanted a little remote with just a few buttons for navigation, I'm sure I could make one but I don't really want to
2016-12-01T20:35:35 < Rob235> I'll look around
2016-12-01T20:35:45 < Rob235> is chromecast open source by any chance?
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2016-12-01T20:36:04 < Kliment> I think it has an API
2016-12-01T20:37:07 < Rob235> id have to look at it but that could be fun to play with
2016-12-01T20:37:15 < ReadErr> Rob235: mkchromecast
2016-12-01T20:37:16 < ReadErr> on github
2016-12-01T20:37:19 < ReadErr> some stuff
2016-12-01T20:37:22 < ReadErr> theres python wrappers
2016-12-01T20:37:25 < ReadErr> node crap
2016-12-01T20:37:33 < ReadErr> not looked at much past the audio
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2016-12-01T20:53:13 < kakimir> https://static.naamapalmu.com/files/z1/big/cjkqvvtq.jpg
2016-12-01T20:54:11 < kakimir> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8UNfKQQaLGw/VH8lk2n-SMI/AAAAAAAAjaM/6XXGBo9ZK6g/s1600/2014-12-03_17-00-06.jpg how I drive to works
2016-12-01T20:54:27 < fenugrec> TheSeven is that after a hardfault or what
2016-12-01T20:54:30 < fenugrec> weird vals
2016-12-01T20:54:35 < ReadErr> false
2016-12-01T20:54:38 < ReadErr> you dont work
2016-12-01T20:54:51 < kakimir> I only pretend to
2016-12-01T20:54:51 < TheSeven> that's what I'm trying to figure out - but now I can't even reproduce it anymore
2016-12-01T20:55:03 < TheSeven> it's back to my old problem (DMA bytes getting lost)
2016-12-01T20:55:24 < kakimir> even when I really works I feel like it's all pretending
2016-12-01T20:57:36 < fenugrec> "getting lost" - sounds like fun
2016-12-01T20:58:10 < TheSeven> fenugrec: SPI DMA transfer: I send 32 bytes and only get 30 back
2016-12-01T20:58:36 < TheSeven> and it only seems to happen if the DMA transfer coincides with a context switch or something
2016-12-01T20:58:38 < TheSeven> very odd
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2016-12-01T21:19:06 < Rob235> ugh getting there, disk image created just incase, saved games backed up, list of programs and everything made, downloaded all drivers and utilities to be ready after fresh install... what am I forgetting
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2016-12-01T21:22:39 < Steffanx> nothing.. you have a image you said.
2016-12-01T21:22:42 < Steffanx> *an
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2016-12-01T21:26:31 < Rob235> are there programs to view/extract files from vhdx images?
2016-12-01T21:31:20 < fenugrec> TheSeven "get 30 back", not sure what you mean - back from an SPI device ?
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2016-12-01T21:38:00 < Steffanx> Sure Rob235.
2016-12-01T21:38:09 < Rob235> oh nice
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2016-12-01T22:00:03 < ohsix> buns
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2016-12-01T22:02:06 < Laurenceb> http://chiptron.petus.cz/STM32H7_eval_board/STM32H7_9.jpg
2016-12-01T22:02:08 < Laurenceb> do want
2016-12-01T22:02:35 < ohsix> http://katu.com/news/local/oregon-woman-calls-police-after-man-repeatedly-whistles-closing-time
2016-12-01T22:06:37 < karlp> Laurenceb: what would you do with it?
2016-12-01T22:06:49 < karlp> is that wifi in the bottom right?
2016-12-01T22:06:56 < Laurenceb> dunno
2016-12-01T22:07:00 < karlp> stm32L for ... what? as a slave
2016-12-01T22:07:01 < Laurenceb> looks like an antenna
2016-12-01T22:07:09 < karlp> and an f103 for...
2016-12-01T22:07:17 < Laurenceb> SWD
2016-12-01T22:07:39 < karlp> yeah, presumably.
2016-12-01T22:07:45 < Laurenceb> ST-Linkv2 on the silkscreen
2016-12-01T22:07:48 < karlp> looks rediculous
2016-12-01T22:07:52 < karlp> giant db9s
2016-12-01T22:08:01 < sync> holy shit that thing i hueg
2016-12-01T22:08:17 < karlp> is that 4 usb ports?
2016-12-01T22:08:22 < karlp> one is debug, but still
2016-12-01T22:11:07 < Laurenceb> looks like RS232 and CAN on the db9s
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2016-12-01T22:18:37 < Laurenceb> http://time4ee.com/articles.php?article_id=35
2016-12-01T22:20:29 < Laurenceb> the "antenna" is a lcd mount
2016-12-01T22:21:50 < Steffanx> Ill never see that need for a board that has THAT many peripherals populated.
2016-12-01T22:23:57 < Steffanx> Nice to play with peripherals, but not as a development platform.
2016-12-01T22:27:06 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/n/res/486954.html
2016-12-01T22:27:24 < Steffanx> tldr;
2016-12-01T22:27:55 < karlp> lb;dr
2016-12-01T22:28:22 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/krillcen/index.html
2016-12-01T22:28:26 < Steffanx> dr. lb?
2016-12-01T22:28:33 < Laurenceb> yup
2016-12-01T22:28:41 < Laurenceb> dr of shitposting
2016-12-01T22:29:19 < Steffanx> crappilly.
2016-12-01T22:29:28 < Laurenceb> crabillary
2016-12-01T22:29:48 < karlp> laur blax; didn't read.
2016-12-01T22:30:00 < karlp> perhaps ll;dc? laurence link; didn't click?
2016-12-01T22:30:42 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/krillcen/res/34.html
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2016-12-01T22:38:58 < aandrew> can any of you access IEEE articles? I'm looking for the PDF for http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6156446
2016-12-01T22:40:45 < BrainDamage> semi-related: https://github.com/Tmplt/bookwyrm
2016-12-01T22:42:19 < aandrew> BrainDamage: interesting
2016-12-01T22:42:21 < aandrew> wonder how well it works
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2016-12-01T23:05:04 < Spirit532> so apparently I figured out why I'm not a very good freelance software dev
2016-12-01T23:05:12 < Spirit532> I'm the rare unicorn that prefers procedural programming
2016-12-01T23:08:29 < Kliment> argh, just wrote the ugliest parser
2016-12-01T23:08:51 < Kliment> it has goto and inconsistent whitespace handling and inscrutable errors
2016-12-01T23:09:09 < Kliment> But it does what it needs to do
2016-12-01T23:09:10 < Spirit532> LeelooMinai, but everyone is taught OOP
2016-12-01T23:09:31 < Kliment> Spirit532: Meh, async and functional are currently quite popular
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2016-12-01T23:10:31 < Kliment> non-functional programming: while(1)_nop;
2016-12-01T23:11:32 < Spirit532> Kliment, nop, jmp -2
2016-12-01T23:11:40 < Spirit532> ;7
2016-12-01T23:11:53 < Spirit532> er, -1
2016-12-01T23:11:55 < Spirit532> because nop
2016-12-01T23:13:49 < Steffanx> Most of the time Sci-Hub is all you need aandrew
2016-12-01T23:14:38 < Steffanx> Enter the DOI from your ieee page and you'll get an instant download.
2016-12-01T23:14:56 < Spirit532> Steffanx, sci-hub doesn't appear to work with ieeeexplore
2016-12-01T23:15:10 < Steffanx> It works very well ( just downloaded that paper)
2016-12-01T23:15:15 < Spirit532> odd
2016-12-01T23:15:19 < Spirit532> well, sci-hub it is
2016-12-01T23:15:20 < Kliment> Spirit532: You need to enter the DOI not the URL
2016-12-01T23:15:27 < Steffanx> ^
2016-12-01T23:15:27 < Spirit532> I did
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2016-12-01T23:15:42 < Kliment> Spirit532: It fails to parse ieee URLs correctly
2016-12-01T23:17:18 < karlp> Kliment: aren't you meant to use parser generators?
2016-12-01T23:17:36 < Kliment> karlp: Yeah but not for this
2016-12-01T23:17:56 < Kliment> karlp: It's literally just a handful of opcodes
2016-12-01T23:18:13 < karlp> well, yuou don't get to complain about it behaving badly then :)
2016-12-01T23:18:20 < Steffanx> lol.
2016-12-01T23:18:42 < karlp> I've never used any for C/c++ honestly either, but used antlr in java once and was super happy with it.
2016-12-01T23:18:43 < Kliment> karlp: I don't. Then again I'm doing it as a favor to start with
2016-12-01T23:19:11 < Kliment> karlp: So nobody gets to complain
2016-12-01T23:20:15 < Kliment> Neat
2016-12-01T23:21:12 < Kliment> But yeah, this is 4 opcodes, three of them have parameters, only one has anything more than a single byte param
2016-12-01T23:21:49 < Kliment> And that one takes a bunch of :-separated hex bytes
2016-12-01T23:22:08 < Kliment> In ascii even
2016-12-01T23:22:40 < Kliment> I don't think it is worth doing anything advanced to parse that
2016-12-01T23:24:16 < karlp> LeelooMinai: yeah, antlr had a designer plugin for intellij+eclipse that you could do interactive testing of your syntax file with.  was super handy, made graphs of the breakdowns and everything.
2016-12-01T23:24:39 < karlp> Kliment: the thing with a parser gneerator is you can feel very free to add opcodes :)
2016-12-01T23:24:52 < Kliment> Sure but I specifically want to avoid this here
2016-12-01T23:25:15  * karlp is just procrastinating anywa
2016-12-01T23:28:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, but ASM is easy to parse
2016-12-01T23:28:58 < jadew> Kliment, what are you parsing?
2016-12-01T23:29:32 < Kliment> jadew: A really stupid simple protocol for bridging CEC and USB
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2016-12-01T23:30:03 < Kliment> jadew: T for transmit message, L for set listen address, P for promiscuous mode, E for echo
2016-12-01T23:30:39 < jadew> sounds easy
2016-12-01T23:30:43 < Kliment> It was
2016-12-01T23:31:15 < jadew> lept
2016-12-01T23:31:44 < jadew> I don't know
2016-12-01T23:31:47 < jadew> sounds like a word
2016-12-01T23:34:19 < jadew> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/lept_1
2016-12-01T23:34:56 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-01T23:35:01 < jadew> doesn't seem correct
2016-12-01T23:35:09 < jadew> but what do I care? I won.
2016-12-01T23:36:52 < jadew> well that's a nice site to have open when you're playing scrabble
2016-12-01T23:37:17 < Steffanx> When you use a website like that you can better stop playing scrabble.
2016-12-01T23:37:44 < jadew> "let me check my messages... and... commensurate"
2016-12-01T23:38:39 < jadew> I only played a couple of times
2016-12-01T23:38:54 < jadew> I'm better at card games
2016-12-01T23:41:35 < jadew> hey only have words for a couple of things and they chain them together to describe other things, with no name of their own
2016-12-01T23:41:44 < jadew> *they
2016-12-01T23:42:48 < jadew> I guess that sometime during the language's early stages they decided to just stop naming stuff
2016-12-01T23:44:33 < jadew> for sure
2016-12-01T23:44:46 < jadew> we even have words for abstract stuff
2016-12-01T23:44:52 < jadew> that too
2016-12-01T23:46:10 < jadew> can't wait for brain viruses
2016-12-01T23:46:57 < jadew> speaking of the future, anyone used those cardboard VR things?
2016-12-01T23:47:01 < jadew> are they any good?
2016-12-01T23:48:18 < jadew> unrelated to the reasons why I want one, I discovered some porn sites have a VR section now
2016-12-01T23:49:09 < jadew> heh, yeah
2016-12-01T23:49:59 < jadew> I'm happy I live in an age where VR exists
2016-12-01T23:50:16 < jadew> and it's higher quality than what was depicted in most sci-fi movies from the 90s
2016-12-01T23:50:50 < jadew> LeelooMinai, don't know if it's lagging, I'd say it surpased many of the expectations already
2016-12-01T23:51:25 < jadew> yeah, like full body suits?
2016-12-01T23:51:44 < jadew> doesn't matter that it's not mainstream
2016-12-01T23:51:56 < jadew> if you want to experience it, you can - that's huge
2016-12-01T23:52:41 < jadew> I wonder if flight simulator X will work with cardboard VR
2016-12-01T23:52:43 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Have you read the machine stops?
2016-12-01T23:53:02 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I think the interface presented there was amazingly prescient
2016-12-01T23:53:23 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/prajlich/forster.html
2016-12-01T23:54:33 < jadew> TLDR?
2016-12-01T23:55:35 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Impatience and overrelying on technology causes societal failure
2016-12-01T23:55:45 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Is the main storyline
2016-12-01T23:56:01 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: But for something written in 1909 a lot of the tech is spot-on
2016-12-01T23:56:51 < jadew> how can society fail when everyone is engaged in "social" stuff all the freaking time
2016-12-01T23:57:37 < Kliment> jadew: That's literally the point of this book
2016-12-01T23:57:57 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: There's a lovely short story about AI
2016-12-01T23:58:21 < jadew> I don't mind it, I didn't like to talk to people anyway and now that everyone seems to have their heads in their phones all the time, I don't have to
2016-12-01T23:58:39 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/kritzer_01_15/
2016-12-01T23:58:44 < jadew> whish I thought of facebook, the ultimate way of shuting everyone up
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2016-12-02T00:00:18 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Of course
2016-12-02T00:00:25 < jadew> I like movies better
2016-12-02T00:00:43 < Kliment> I don't like movies - lack of control
2016-12-02T00:00:52 < jadew> like you can control a book
2016-12-02T00:01:13 < jadew> a book just takes longer to read
2016-12-02T00:01:26 < jadew> and the ride is much much sloooower
2016-12-02T00:01:35 < Kliment> Funny, that's how i feel about movies
2016-12-02T00:01:47 < Kliment> They take forever, and they force you to go at their pace
2016-12-02T00:02:18 < jadew> at least in a movie, if you skip forward you can see what's happening in an instant
2016-12-02T00:02:25 < jadew> with a book, not so much
2016-12-02T00:02:37 < BrainDamage> i hate video tutorials exactly for that reason, i'm forced to go at the pace of the lecturer
2016-12-02T00:02:51 < Kliment> jadew: You can skip forward in books
2016-12-02T00:03:03 < BrainDamage> if i have a transcript howrever, i'll happily use both
2016-12-02T00:03:12 < Kliment> jadew: i regularly skip stories in short story collections, or chapters in technical books
2016-12-02T00:03:33 < jadew> Kliment, IMO, technical books are the only ones worth reading
2016-12-02T00:03:51 < jadew> everything else has less entertainment value than a movie for me
2016-12-02T00:03:53 < Kliment> jadew: Well, I strongly recommend both of those stories
2016-12-02T00:04:39 < Kliment> jadew: Cat Pictures Please is a 12 minute read for me, and well worth it
2016-12-02T00:04:54 < jadew> Kliment, the issue I have with reading is that I often find myself thinking about the author than the story
2016-12-02T00:05:10 < jadew> like... I feel I get too intimate with someone I don't care about
2016-12-02T00:06:13 < jadew> I then spiral into feeling ashamed for him, because he's being silly
2016-12-02T00:07:57 < jadew> then there's of course the fact that most books are shit anyway
2016-12-02T00:08:10 < jadew> and it takes longer to figure that out
2016-12-02T00:09:30 < TheSeven> fenugrec: well I start an RX DMA transfer with 32 bytes, a TX DMA transfer with 32 bytes, and in some situations, the RX transfer gets stuck with 2 bytes pending
2016-12-02T00:10:11 < TheSeven> the first 30 received bytes are correct - so it might actually be the (dummy) TX bytes that are getting lost for some reason
2016-12-02T00:10:30 < fenugrec> TheSeven what like on a SPI loopback ? i.e. are you sure you're getting 32 bytes on the bus
2016-12-02T00:11:00 < TheSeven> I can't easily check what's going on on the bus, I suspect that there are only 30 bytes on the bus
2016-12-02T00:11:15 < TheSeven> and it only seems to happen if there is havy task switching activity in the background, which I can't see any reason for
2016-12-02T00:11:24 < fenugrec>  get a LA on that bus asap !
2016-12-02T00:12:43 < TheSeven> I don't have any LA that could deal with the vast amounts of data on the bus before the problem actually occurs
2016-12-02T00:13:22 < fenugrec> hmm
2016-12-02T00:14:25 < TheSeven> SPI bus is running at 6MHz, CPU/RAM/bus at 48MHz
2016-12-02T00:14:53 < TheSeven> no proper equipment here, you can choose between a bus pirate and a DSO quad :P
2016-12-02T00:15:23 < TheSeven> I could probably build an LA for that based on STM32 if I wanted :P
2016-12-02T00:15:25 < fenugrec> can you rig a second device to just sniff the SPI bus and detect the 30 vs 32 byte occurence ? 
2016-12-02T00:16:21 < TheSeven> I don't see how confirming that only 30 bytes are being transmitted would really help me though
2016-12-02T00:16:38 < fenugrec> well that would explain your RX xfer getting only 30
2016-12-02T00:16:42 < fenugrec> no?
2016-12-02T00:16:51 < TheSeven> ...and then?
2016-12-02T00:16:59 < TheSeven> assume that's the case, I'm fairly sure it is
2016-12-02T00:17:23 < TheSeven> not here right now :/
2016-12-02T00:17:33 < fenugrec> ok, well I have no clue what the setup is, but then you know the blame isn't your mcu but the SPI device sending 30 instead of 32 ?
2016-12-02T00:17:44 < TheSeven> the MCU is the SPI master
2016-12-02T00:17:54 < TheSeven> that will be to blame one way or another
2016-12-02T00:18:02 < TheSeven> the SPI slave just can't be causing this
2016-12-02T00:18:18 < fenugrec> (I'm assuming you ruled out all obvious software problems like data races, interrupts mangling global data, peripheral setup etc)
2016-12-02T00:18:24 < fenugrec> hm
2016-12-02T00:20:06 < TheSeven> the code that gets stuck on this can run millions of times without trouble if there is no context switch in between
2016-12-02T00:20:32 < TheSeven> if there's a context switch every 10ms (and one of these DMA transfers every ~5.5ms) it gets stuck in much less than a second
2016-12-02T00:20:53 < TheSeven> so I'm sure that this is some kind of a firmware bug - I'm just not understanding how *any* firmware bug can trigger such weird behavior
2016-12-02T00:21:13 < TheSeven> i.e. what firmware might be doing wrong from the hardware's point of view to trigger these symptoms
2016-12-02T00:21:43 < TheSeven> all code that deals with DMA runs in IRQ handlers at a priority above any of the context switching stuff - it would even preempt in the middle of a context switch
2016-12-02T00:22:04 < Thorn> why are they using unsigned int instead of GPIO_TypeDef* as a template argument in http://www.webalice.it/fede.tft/stm32/gpio.h (and then cast it everywhere)
2016-12-02T00:23:47 < Thorn> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/template_parameters
2016-12-02T00:23:58 < Thorn> >pointer type (to object or to function);
2016-12-02T00:24:50 < fenugrec> TheSeven no idea. How are you producing / consuming the DMA data ?
2016-12-02T00:25:27 < Thorn> GPIO_InitTypeDef is a struct, does it not count as object?
2016-12-02T00:25:36 < TheSeven> fenugrec: not realtime, this is just a one-shot transfer with prepared data, processing the received data after it completes
2016-12-02T00:26:00 < TheSeven> GPIO_TypeDef* would certainly qualify as a pointer
2016-12-02T00:26:22 < fenugrec> OK, so you're not FIFOing it or anything
2016-12-02T00:27:28 < TheSeven> fenugrec: no, just receiving a radio packet there
2016-12-02T00:34:52 < ohsix> Kliment: lul pronterface isn't able to load things from paths with spaces in them
2016-12-02T00:36:14 < englishman> lul lunix'd
2016-12-02T00:36:40 < Thorn> error: '1207961600u' is not a valid template argument for 'GPIO_TypeDef*' because it is not the address of a variable
2016-12-02T00:36:59 < TheSeven> that probably needs a cast
2016-12-02T00:40:16 < Thorn> type safety all the way
2016-12-02T00:40:28 < Thorn> Gpio<GPIOC, 1> Gpio<1, GPIOC>
2016-12-02T00:40:31 < ohsix> englishman: ya rly, happened to be usign it on windows tho
2016-12-02T00:40:53 < ohsix> username on crap open computer is 'x y'
2016-12-02T00:41:09 < ohsix> bringing back the 'Documents and Settings' path problem, olol
2016-12-02T00:42:10 < ohsix> about to give up on dual extrusion and just making the top surface finish nice
2016-12-02T00:42:24 < ohsix> too much work
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2016-12-02T01:13:37 < TheSeven> hm, which languages even do that? it's quite common in maths stuff, but I've rarely seen it in programming languages
2016-12-02T01:15:51 < ohsix> to what are you referring
2016-12-02T01:15:57 < jadew> LeelooMinai, std::pow(2, 10) might actually get computed at compile time
2016-12-02T01:16:09 < ohsix> like idepotence? so you can do memoization or something?
2016-12-02T01:16:23 < jadew> heh, good point
2016-12-02T01:16:25 < ohsix> functional programming touts that sort of thing as a benefit, its math-y
2016-12-02T01:18:05 < Thorn> ok so these are types: typedef Gpio<(unsigned int)GPIOC, 1> sseg_driver_noe;
2016-12-02T01:18:14 < Thorn> how do I make an array of them?
2016-12-02T01:18:30 < ohsix> dumb question! moving on
2016-12-02T01:18:38 < ohsix> ASKED AND ANSWERED
2016-12-02T01:18:40 < ohsix> huhruhruhru
2016-12-02T01:18:51 < Thorn> yes I'm using c++
2016-12-02T01:19:17 < Thorn> can't say I'm happy about the fact though
2016-12-02T01:19:25 < Thorn> whatever does the job. currently 11
2016-12-02T01:19:47  * karlp is using c++ RIGHT NOW too, couldn't get these cool & params to compile, went back to just using * params.  well done c++ error messages
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2016-12-02T01:20:09  * TheSeven has never used an & param
2016-12-02T01:20:25 < karlp> thought it was "the cool right thign" to do in c++
2016-12-02T01:20:42 < karlp> seems to just make it harder to do somethings and changes -> to .
2016-12-02T01:20:45 < TheSeven> it probably is, but I didn't bother so far
2016-12-02T01:21:14 < jadew> karlp, what & params?
2016-12-02T01:21:19 < BrainDamage> references
2016-12-02T01:21:21 < jadew> you mean references?
2016-12-02T01:21:22 < jadew> hehe
2016-12-02T01:21:57  * TheSeven never understood the point in references and pointers being different things
2016-12-02T01:22:07 < BrainDamage> you should use references if you want to use scope memory management
2016-12-02T01:22:09 < TheSeven> just seems to make it less obvious what it's actually doing
2016-12-02T01:22:52 < TheSeven> interesting, I didn't even realize that yet :P
2016-12-02T01:23:20 < karlp> well 	template<typename TArg>
2016-12-02T01:23:20 < karlp> 	void attach_ms(uint32_t milliseconds, void (*callback)(TArg), TArg arg)
2016-12-02T01:23:20 < TheSeven> I guess it might enable the compiler to some optimizations then, that it otherwise couldn't because of possible aliasing?
2016-12-02T01:23:31 < karlp> was ok with taking a struct poitner, but not a reference to a struct
2016-12-02T01:23:39 < karlp> so.. fuck references until I ar less dum
2016-12-02T01:24:24  * TheSeven is annoyed
2016-12-02T01:24:34 < Thorn> so if I need leds[i]::set_high(); how do I do that (leds[i] should be a Gpio<GPIOx, y>)
2016-12-02T01:24:58 < TheSeven> I'm now trying to track down what's causing this weird SPI DMA issue without significant progress since >24h now
2016-12-02T01:25:38 < karlp> yeah, I couldn't have a function that was blah(struct &wop) but I could have blah (struct 
2016-12-02T01:25:41 < karlp> *wop)
2016-12-02T01:30:30 < ohsix> TheSeven: they couldn't materially change the definition of what a pointer was
2016-12-02T01:33:13 < karlp> LeelooMinai: don't care, used a pointer
2016-12-02T01:33:21 < karlp> behind enough on this project as it is
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2016-12-02T01:33:44 < ohsix> lul
2016-12-02T01:33:45 < ohsix> Reference semantics are A Good Thing. We can’t live without pointers. We just don’t want our software to be One Gigantic Rats Nest Of Pointers. In C++, you can pick and choose where you want reference semantics (pointers/references) and where you’d like value semantics (where objects physically contain other objects etc). In a large system, there should be a balance. However if you implement absolutely everything as a pointer, you’ll get enormous speed h
2016-12-02T01:33:51 < ohsix> it's always fun reading about this stuff
2016-12-02T01:33:57 < ohsix> can't hide the zeal
2016-12-02T01:34:05 < Thorn> do these declarations use memory? http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/gpio/pin.h?id=4100075#n119
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2016-12-02T01:36:29 < ohsix> 'yes', but no
2016-12-02T01:36:42 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-02T01:36:52 < ohsix> they'll each have their own vtable
2016-12-02T01:37:35 < Thorn> if they're static, in a .h and cause memory allocation, they will get allocated in every compilation unit that #includes that .h
2016-12-02T01:38:20 < ohsix> sounds like a job for a map file
2016-12-02T01:38:32 < karlp> the pin is a contexpr... read the top of the file...
2016-12-02T01:39:09 < ohsix> i never got why people wonder aloud when they can just see what the compiler does, then be pissed at the compiler for sucking
2016-12-02T01:39:37 < Thorn> compiler != language standard (except php)
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2016-12-02T01:42:10 < Thorn> it is zyp's code not mine
2016-12-02T01:43:07 < Thorn> it seems to have the advantage of being able to create an array of pins because they're instances and not types
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2016-12-02T01:43:59 < Thorn> the question is whether private data members in Pin are allocated (yes / maybe, ask compiler / no) 
2016-12-02T01:44:23 < Thorn> modification would be stupid, why would you modify e.g. PA0
2016-12-02T01:45:26 < Thorn> iirc if functions are defined inside class{} they're automatically marked inline
2016-12-02T01:48:08 < Thorn> https://isocpp.org/wiki/faq/inline-functions#inline-member-fns-more
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2016-12-02T01:59:40 < Laurenceb_> C++ actually makes me want to write in python
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2016-12-02T02:02:09 < Laurenceb_> haha yeah it has no organised spec
2016-12-02T02:02:53 < jadew> you don't have to know it all
2016-12-02T02:02:54 < Laurenceb_> then there is the 2.6 madness
2016-12-02T02:03:00 < jadew> most of it is common sense
2016-12-02T02:03:05 < Laurenceb_> python 2 python 3 insanity
2016-12-02T02:03:39 < jadew> ah, you're talking about python
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2016-12-02T02:09:20 < jadew> which would be an accurate representation of what happens when you run python on ARM
2016-12-02T02:10:05 < jadew> ah
2016-12-02T02:15:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> Not entirely sure why you'd want python on a uC. If you can't use the majority of libraries, what's the piont
2016-12-02T02:18:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> Well, there's a mode where it compiles directly to machine code
2016-12-02T02:18:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> Which wouldn't be so aweful
2016-12-02T02:19:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> True enough.
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2016-12-02T02:36:29 < BrainDamage> i'm not sure if i'd use a a language without explicit memory management in a micro
2016-12-02T02:36:44 < BrainDamage> it really sounds like a pain
2016-12-02T02:40:14  * TheSeven considers any use of a heap on Cortex-M dangerous
2016-12-02T02:40:51  * TheSeven was rather shocked to see printf invoke malloc when having a look into karlp's libopencm3 issue
2016-12-02T02:40:58 < upgrdman> anyone know why the primary of a tesla coil is often cone shaped instead of a simple spool at the bottom of the tower?
2016-12-02T02:41:24 < upgrdman> or sometimes it's even a flat disk around the base of the tower. wtf, why
2016-12-02T02:45:21 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: ideally flat spiral would be the best, lowest capacity and best induction, but that tends tohave too high Q in several setups and the overvoltage/overcurrent gets excessive and out of spec
2016-12-02T02:45:41 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: if you unwind the spiral ito a cone you increase the cap slightly and reduce this
2016-12-02T02:46:01 < upgrdman> cap == parasitic cap between primary and secondary?
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2016-12-02T02:47:11 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, and how can you get overv/overc? isn't the point to output a high v and enough c
2016-12-02T02:47:21 < BrainDamage> yes, but also winding-winding cap is affected
2016-12-02T02:47:34 < upgrdman> o
2016-12-02T02:47:50 < BrainDamage> you get because they often drive at resonance or near it
2016-12-02T02:48:05 < BrainDamage> less losses, but also less margin of error
2016-12-02T02:48:28 < BrainDamage> because the whole shit becomes a coupled oscillator
2016-12-02T02:48:29 < upgrdman> and if driven at some random freq, more energy is wasted as heat?
2016-12-02T02:48:35 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-12-02T02:48:41 < BrainDamage> that's the point of Q factor
2016-12-02T02:48:47 < upgrdman> heat in what, the coils?
2016-12-02T02:48:55 < BrainDamage> coil and cap
2016-12-02T02:48:58 < BrainDamage> but mostly coils
2016-12-02T02:49:22 < upgrdman> would it still work if way out of resonance? (make lightning-ish sparks)
2016-12-02T02:49:33 < BrainDamage> sure
2016-12-02T02:50:14 < BrainDamage> you cn even drive it *at* resonance, there's just a problem
2016-12-02T02:50:44 < BrainDamage> it'sa diy construction, spacing is not very even all around
2016-12-02T02:51:20 < upgrdman> and how do you protect the electronics driving the primary? e.g. i image a spark hitting for primary mosfets would fucking kill them
2016-12-02T02:51:27 < upgrdman> faraday cage around them?
2016-12-02T02:51:58 < BrainDamage> yes, but, careful about potential
2016-12-02T02:52:12 < BrainDamage> or your shielding will attract the discharges
2016-12-02T02:52:26 < upgrdman> so what should you do then?
2016-12-02T02:52:55 < upgrdman> if sparks are big enough to reach the ground, it not like you can run the electronics furthur from the top of the secondary
2016-12-02T02:53:21 < BrainDamage> you can run it at an intermediat voltage
2016-12-02T02:53:43 < BrainDamage> so that other "targets" will have larger gradients
2016-12-02T02:53:52 < upgrdman> so like connect it to a "center tap" of the secondary?
2016-12-02T02:54:01 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-12-02T02:54:06 < BrainDamage> moreover, prefer smooth shapes
2016-12-02T02:54:50 < BrainDamage> lower gradient -> less E field for the same potential
2016-12-02T02:54:55 < upgrdman> and how do ensure the secondary is "safe" current-wise (so you can touch the sparks) ... current limit the primary? with what, a series resistor?
2016-12-02T02:55:26 < BrainDamage> that's a common solution, howrever, do measure the stray cap
2016-12-02T02:55:49 < upgrdman> LCR meter between top of tower and earth gnd?
2016-12-02T02:55:52 < BrainDamage> at high voltages, it can contain annoying levels of energy
2016-12-02T02:56:32 < BrainDamage> yeah
2016-12-02T02:57:12 < BrainDamage> nvm the stray cap
2016-12-02T02:57:19 < BrainDamage> got myself confused for a sec
2016-12-02T02:57:24 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-02T02:58:11 < BrainDamage> it's ac, so who cares, it gets completely discharged every cycle, if you power limit the swing you're also automatically limiting the peak amplitude because it averages 0
2016-12-02T03:00:50 < upgrdman> so with limiting current to the primary, you could consider the power into the primary, and the turns ratios of the two coils, and assume worst case perfect power transfer. so if primary is 10 turns and secondary is 1000 turns, there can be no more than 1% of the input current in the sparks?
2016-12-02T03:01:26 < upgrdman> e.g. if 1A into primary, you can be sure the sparks will be <= 10mA?
2016-12-02T03:01:31 < upgrdman> which is way too high, but ya
2016-12-02T03:02:05 < BrainDamage> btw
2016-12-02T03:02:15 < BrainDamage> if you need a cheap and dirty HV gen
2016-12-02T03:02:27 < BrainDamage> consider instead a van der graaf gen
2016-12-02T03:02:35 < BrainDamage> or a kelvin drop gen
2016-12-02T03:02:36 < upgrdman> i just want a fun project
2016-12-02T03:02:54 < BrainDamage> and making lightnings with water buckets isn't?
2016-12-02T03:02:59 < upgrdman> and maybe i can through an arduino at it, make another youtube vid, and get more ad revenue :)
2016-12-02T03:03:11 < upgrdman> hmm ok
2016-12-02T03:03:22 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper#/media/File:KelvinWaterDropper_wiki.svg
2016-12-02T03:03:35 < BrainDamage> no power supply required
2016-12-02T03:04:03 < upgrdman> nice. bookmarked
2016-12-02T03:11:40 < Laurenceb_> https://i.reddituploads.com/1126981efb71461a999da705d982a5ad?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=0edacb49acad48130ce32987d73c36b5
2016-12-02T03:24:21 < sync> upgrdman: most people just use a single gapped ring for arcover protection
2016-12-02T03:24:59 < upgrdman> ? i dont understand. pic?
2016-12-02T03:26:48 < sync> http://www.geocities.ws/colinheath2002/newdrsstc2base.JPG the ring on top
2016-12-02T03:26:54 < sync> it is not closed
2016-12-02T03:27:54 < upgrdman> so that's a grounded almost-ring, just about the primary?
2016-12-02T03:28:01 < upgrdman> s/about/above
2016-12-02T03:28:49 < jadew> for some reason this gives me more of a taxidermy vibe, than an engineering one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y22mV2smkA
2016-12-02T03:29:29 < sync> yes upgrdman 
2016-12-02T03:29:35 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-02T03:29:47 < Laurenceb_> is dat some tesla coil?
2016-12-02T03:29:56 < Laurenceb_> I don't get the attraction of tesla coils
2016-12-02T03:29:57 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-02T03:30:06 < Laurenceb_> although I made one when I was about 14
2016-12-02T03:30:06 < jadew> Laurenceb_, me neither
2016-12-02T03:30:09 < BrainDamage> stereotypical mad scientist look
2016-12-02T03:30:11 < jadew> they just make sparks, right?
2016-12-02T03:30:14 < upgrdman> i've never dont anything >32VDC so it time to pop that cherry
2016-12-02T03:30:23 < BrainDamage> shitty resonant autotransformer
2016-12-02T03:30:26 < upgrdman> well, DIY i mean
2016-12-02T03:30:32 < upgrdman> worked with plenty of mains ac stuff
2016-12-02T03:30:56 < BrainDamage> you can actually power a circuit with a tesla coil, but the lack of isolation, reliability, etc makes it meh
2016-12-02T03:31:19 < Laurenceb_> if you want to play with HV you could do something cool and useful like a fusion reactor
2016-12-02T03:31:21 < jadew> what's the point tho?
2016-12-02T03:31:24 < jadew> does it have a point?
2016-12-02T03:31:38 < jadew> has anyone found a use for them in the past 100 years?
2016-12-02T03:31:49 < sync> upgrdman: you can make something cool like a qcw drsstc
2016-12-02T03:31:56 < BrainDamage> again, an autotransformer topology is not useless per se
2016-12-02T03:31:56 < Laurenceb_> but muh secret Tesla science
2016-12-02T03:31:56 < upgrdman> jadew, tesla coils? just to look cool and maybe get some youtube ad revenue
2016-12-02T03:32:00 < Laurenceb_> muh free energy
2016-12-02T03:32:11 < BrainDamage> it's just another power suppl
2016-12-02T03:32:21 < Laurenceb_> Tesla was awesome and a proper scientist according to muh TED talk
2016-12-02T03:32:22 < BrainDamage> building for huge voltages, depends
2016-12-02T03:32:23 < sync> BrainDamage: you can run a tesla bipolar
2016-12-02T03:32:37 < BrainDamage> yeah, i've tried a zvs once
2016-12-02T03:32:43 < Laurenceb_> Tesla probably was bipolar
2016-12-02T03:32:43 < jadew> upgrdman, why did he invent them tho?
2016-12-02T03:32:48 < jadew> what was he looking for?
2016-12-02T03:32:55 < Laurenceb_> prob aliens or something
2016-12-02T03:32:56 < upgrdman> jadew, wireless power transmission iirc
2016-12-02T03:33:02 < jadew> ah
2016-12-02T03:33:06 < Laurenceb_> Tesla was a fruitcake
2016-12-02T03:33:11 < upgrdman> he wanted to charge his smartphone before Qi was a think
2016-12-02T03:33:18 < BrainDamage> i have a walton's dick ladder
2016-12-02T03:33:24 < BrainDamage> which isn't for bragging
2016-12-02T03:33:26 < jadew> I suppose he figured that if the voltage is high enough, the electrons will just jump where you need them :P
2016-12-02T03:33:30 < BrainDamage> i wanted to power a linac
2016-12-02T03:33:48  * Laurenceb_ wants to make a macron accelerator
2016-12-02T03:33:54 < Laurenceb_> for macron fusion
2016-12-02T03:34:07 < upgrdman> mmmm macaroni accelerator
2016-12-02T03:34:13 < Laurenceb_> but I have the same problem as everyone else who has looked at this
2016-12-02T03:34:15 < upgrdman> needs cheez
2016-12-02T03:34:19 < Laurenceb_> I don't know how to do it
2016-12-02T03:34:38 < Laurenceb_> http://mail.phy.pku.edu.cn/~lei/df/hedip.pdf
2016-12-02T03:34:45 < jadew> Laurenceb_, what is it?
2016-12-02T03:34:48 < BrainDamage> the ladder was working, the vacuum for my setup was too shit
2016-12-02T03:34:49 < Laurenceb_> read the pdf
2016-12-02T03:35:16 < Laurenceb_> I like how Chinese researchers are prepared to look at crackpot stuff thats abandoned in the west
2016-12-02T03:35:25 < Laurenceb_> cuz of cultural baggage
2016-12-02T03:35:57 < BrainDamage> i didn't want to make questionable fusion experiments
2016-12-02T03:36:08 < sync> BrainDamage: the vacuum shit is the easiest imho
2016-12-02T03:36:13 < Laurenceb_> although when that stretches to emdrive you have to ask questions
2016-12-02T03:36:18 < BrainDamage> just pair production, and have a tunable xray source
2016-12-02T03:36:26 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: macron fusion isn't questionable
2016-12-02T03:36:40 < Laurenceb_> its an engineering challenge
2016-12-02T03:37:37 < BrainDamage> sync: in my case i was limited by the budget of 200€ total, maybe i should resume the scraps someday now that i havemore disposable cash
2016-12-02T03:37:41 < Laurenceb_> read the pdf :P
2016-12-02T03:37:58 < Laurenceb_> figure 2
2016-12-02T03:38:03 < BrainDamage> we used an A/C pump as roughening, then a molecular sieve in a cold trap to increase
2016-12-02T03:38:10 < Laurenceb_> youre gunna have to go pretty fast
2016-12-02T03:38:25 < Laurenceb_> but if you can its about the simplest fusion scheme ever
2016-12-02T03:38:29 < sync> wat BrainDamage
2016-12-02T03:39:05 < Laurenceb_> sync: thats like a standard vacuum technique
2016-12-02T03:39:05 < BrainDamage> water vapour is the dominant gas at the pressure the roughening pump was operating
2016-12-02T03:39:20 < Laurenceb_> yeah
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2016-12-02T03:40:38 < sync> Laurenceb_: not really
2016-12-02T03:41:14 < Laurenceb_> well its a little junkyard grade
2016-12-02T03:41:24 < sync> my standard vacuum technique is scroll pump on a turbo, then ion getters and Ti sublimators to get the noble gas rate up
2016-12-02T03:41:31 < BrainDamage> again, i have to remind you about the budget
2016-12-02T03:41:49 < Laurenceb_> sync: your standard technique is to blow the budget
2016-12-02T03:41:49 < BrainDamage> a single used turbo would blow it
2016-12-02T03:42:26 < Laurenceb_> now for the important question...
2016-12-02T03:42:31 < Laurenceb_> how to get to 600km/s
2016-12-02T03:42:45 < sync> I got my first turbo set for 150€ or something like that
2016-12-02T03:43:01 < Laurenceb_> not bad
2016-12-02T03:43:06 < BrainDamage> noice, where?
2016-12-02T03:43:20 < sync> ebay
2016-12-02T03:43:34 < BrainDamage> wasn't so lucky, i kept watching for few months back then
2016-12-02T03:43:55  * Laurenceb_ looks on dtic.mil for answers
2016-12-02T03:44:34 < sync> just looking for a cryo pump, then I should be good
2016-12-02T03:44:39 < BrainDamage> man, the numbers in that paper are crazy
2016-12-02T03:44:47 < Laurenceb_> heh
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2016-12-02T03:45:01 < Laurenceb_> still seems more sane than NIF
2016-12-02T03:50:46 < sync> well BrainDamage Laurenceb_ I work daily on shit like this http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/such_bodennebel.jpg
2016-12-02T03:51:05 < Laurenceb_> nice
2016-12-02T03:51:24 < Laurenceb_> looks like an asphyxiation hazard (but I've said that before)
2016-12-02T03:51:34 < BrainDamage> yeah, i don't :p
2016-12-02T03:52:44 < jadew> sync, very steam punk
2016-12-02T03:53:32 < jadew> I bet it makes a hell of a coffee
2016-12-02T03:53:49  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-12-02T03:54:20 < sync> nah it is all good Laurenceb_
2016-12-02T03:54:42 < sync> the ventilation system will distribute the nitrogen evenly through the building
2016-12-02T03:56:24 < jadew> sync, what does it do?
2016-12-02T03:57:28 < sync> put on a good show to visitors and break down all the time
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2016-12-02T03:58:22 < jadew> looks like a chain of stuff, which require a lot of adjustment
2016-12-02T03:59:22 < jadew> or it's a general purpose thing and you can chain arbitrary elements?
2016-12-02T03:59:30 < jadew> seriously tho, what does it do?
2016-12-02T04:00:30 < sync> it is a coating system
2016-12-02T04:01:08 < jadew> wow, didn't realize they have to be so complex
2016-12-02T04:01:16 < jadew> for lens and stuff?
2016-12-02T04:03:44 < sync> no
2016-12-02T04:08:07  * TheSeven wonders who figured out the errata that USB charger detection doesn't work properly on some devices at temperatures below -20°C :P
2016-12-02T04:08:56 < jadew> sync, what's it coating? you can't tell?
2016-12-02T04:09:18 < sync> it is coating wafers
2016-12-02T04:09:30 < jadew> ah, interesting
2016-12-02T04:10:33 < jadew> I would have thought that to be a more automatic process
2016-12-02T04:10:54 < jadew> those little windows suggest that an operator is constantly peeking in
2016-12-02T04:11:15 < jadew> and/or adjusting stuff
2016-12-02T04:11:46 < sync> yes, loading is manual
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2016-12-02T04:48:26 < anton02> how long has truestudio been available for linux for?
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2016-12-02T05:26:05 < TheSeven> am I supposed to *ever* have to resort to APB peripheral reset lines to get a peripheral back into a workable state or is that a hardware bug?
2016-12-02T05:26:28 < TheSeven> I'm having a situation here where I'm getting an SPI core into a state where it seems to just transmit zeroes until I reset it that way
2016-12-02T05:26:49 < TheSeven> setting CR1=0 doesn't help, asserting APB peripheral reset does
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2016-12-02T06:20:46 < upgrdman> TheSeven, sounds like a firmware bug.
2016-12-02T06:21:07 < upgrdman> try breaking at first line of main, step through everything
2016-12-02T06:21:25 < upgrdman> and read registers to ensure theyre what you think they are. even if you just wrote to them
2016-12-02T06:21:29 < upgrdman> and read the status registers
2016-12-02T06:43:30 < ohsix> who's on first
2016-12-02T06:47:32 < ohsix> what's new
2016-12-02T06:48:26 < ohsix> Thorn: the language standard doesn't usually say enough about what the result will be, and what i was actually thinking about is code deduplication and reachability
2016-12-02T06:48:49 < ohsix> Thorn: and when you talk about storage/space/whatever, that's all you really care about, the compiler you have
2016-12-02T06:51:47 < ohsix> upgrdman: are you going to actually build a tesla coil?
2016-12-02T06:53:38 < upgrdman> ohsix, i really want to, but im not confident enough to do it. would really suck if i killed myself because i allow too much current in the secondary and get shocked bad
2016-12-02T06:54:22 < upgrdman> in any case, i need to wrap up this balancing robot pid video, then i think i'll try an centipede simulation and robot
2016-12-02T06:55:24 < ohsix> BrainDamage: ben krasnow has some videos on vacuum stuff, diffusion and roughing pumps and a bunch of stuff & problems he had with his diy SEM
2016-12-02T06:55:57 < ohsix> he got the fancy stuff used
2016-12-02T06:57:21 < ohsix> upgrdman: o man nah you should do it
2016-12-02T06:57:48 < ohsix> at least an sstc, you can make them tiny :D
2016-12-02T06:58:21 < ohsix> ebay has some crazy cheap zvs drivers
2016-12-02T06:58:26 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZVS-induction-heating-power-supply-module-tesla-Jacobs-ladder-5v-12v-9v-/221946898963?hash=item33ad10ea13:g:ckEAAOSwv-NWUCvV
2016-12-02T06:58:31 < upgrdman> ya i just feel like i'll make a rookie mistake and give myself cardiac arrest or some shit
2016-12-02T06:58:49 < upgrdman> ohsix, heh, i should use my induction heater as a primary for a tesla coil
2016-12-02T06:59:06 < ohsix> there are people probably using these for real work in china, which is awesome and weird
2016-12-02T06:59:12 < upgrdman> 400W at 60kHz, or more if i change some things
2016-12-02T06:59:38 < ohsix> there's one on 4hv that i always thought was cool, lemme see if i can find it
2016-12-02T07:00:20 < ohsix> a bunch of years ago some dudes were competing to make the smallest one
2016-12-02T07:01:00 < ohsix> http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk/electronic-tesla-coils/nanotess-the-smallest-electronic-tesla-coils
2016-12-02T07:01:39 < ohsix> get dem rf burns when they're tiny
2016-12-02T07:02:05 < ohsix> and it's kind of lame, but there are usb plasma balls, you can just take the driver out, it's like a 2mhz output or something
2016-12-02T07:02:42 < upgrdman> why do testa have balls or toroids at the top? just to be a big capacitor plate, and smooth so it wont ark from just one spot?
2016-12-02T07:02:49 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-USB-Plasma-Ball-Sphere-Light-Magic-Crystal-Lamp-Desktop-Globe-Laptop-L0-/291942399313?hash=item43f91f7d51:g:iuwAAOSwImRYKWZf you can find them someplace cheaper, but this is them
2016-12-02T07:03:01 < ohsix> its' a capacitor, but i don't really know
2016-12-02T07:05:15 < ohsix> something about the phase or the resonance of the secondary
2016-12-02T07:05:20 < upgrdman> wow, sweet. broke the 3000 subs barrier two days ago.
2016-12-02T07:05:22 < ohsix> (lul)
2016-12-02T07:05:25 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-02T07:05:31 < ohsix> TO SOCIALBLADE!
2016-12-02T07:05:37 < upgrdman> need to ramp up my retarduino vids and bank on it
2016-12-02T07:05:45 < ohsix> http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/upgrdman
2016-12-02T07:06:16 < upgrdman> lol
2016-12-02T07:07:20 < ohsix> hm why does it stop at nov 17
2016-12-02T07:10:51 < upgrdman> dunno
2016-12-02T07:10:58 < upgrdman> but theres a spike after that new arduino video
2016-12-02T07:12:20 < englishman> stvn: http://i.imgur.com/fQEePb5.jpg
2016-12-02T07:15:46 < ohsix> oh
2016-12-02T07:16:01 < ohsix> upgrdman: get one of those igniters that are like 2$ on ebay
2016-12-02T07:16:12 < ohsix> it's not a tesla coil but you have most of the hazards, also most of the utility
2016-12-02T07:16:33 < ohsix> there's also some ghetto kits with an inductor and a transistor on ebay lul
2016-12-02T07:16:56 < ohsix> huh, new junk on ebay
2016-12-02T07:17:16 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-5-Pcs-10KV-High-Frequency-High-Voltage-Transformer-Booster-Coil-Inverter-/282217490053?var=&hash=item41b5792685:m:mYFegRqyHcmKA2T6jIvnXvw transformer with 10kv secondary?
2016-12-02T07:18:55 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pro-DC-3-6V-6V-To-400KV-Boost-Step-Up-Power-Module-High-Voltage-Generator-/122072947543?hash=item1c6c1d5b57:g:jXQAAOSwHaBWj7LZ anyways, these things
2016-12-02T07:19:27 < ReadErr> https://i.imgur.com/UP5PhdU.png
2016-12-02T07:19:28 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXucHHxOeqg it does this
2016-12-02T07:20:01 < ohsix> do you has it working ReadErr?
2016-12-02T07:20:22 < ReadErr> I did until I started rebuild
2016-12-02T07:20:35 < ReadErr> need to get back to that now that I got all the parts
2016-12-02T07:21:08 < ReadErr> software has moved along nicely though
2016-12-02T07:21:23 < ohsix> that looks needlessly fancy
2016-12-02T07:21:47 < ohsix> like, even if it could do arbitrary positioning and stuff really well, that it could introduce more possible errors
2016-12-02T07:21:52 < ohsix> +is bad
2016-12-02T07:21:59 < ReadErr> https://i.imgur.com/PN4nHN2.png
2016-12-02T07:22:18 < ReadErr> well it uses vision too
2016-12-02T07:22:25 < ohsix> are those solid color things a simulator?
2016-12-02T07:22:39 < ohsix> hmm heh
2016-12-02T07:22:43 < ohsix> i could get funding to build one of these
2016-12-02T07:22:57 < ReadErr> its a nav thing
2016-12-02T07:23:02 < ohsix> they want a pick and place
2016-12-02T07:24:04 < ReadErr> https://github.com/openpnp/openpnp/commits/feature/nav_camera_tweaks
2016-12-02T07:25:56 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul this is new, haven't seen it before; but it is like one of the lame parts kit listings http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-DC-High-Voltage-Generator-Inverter-Electric-Ignitor-15KV-18650-Battery-/172428951067?hash=item282590fe1b:g:a3MAAOSwa~BYQFJb
2016-12-02T07:26:00 < ohsix> has better xfmr tho
2016-12-02T07:26:15 < ohsix> zap zap zap
2016-12-02T07:26:46 < ohsix> wtbuns are they used for
2016-12-02T07:28:36 < ReadErr> looks like mike
2016-12-02T07:28:41 < ReadErr> from mikeselectricstuff or w/e
2016-12-02T07:28:47 < ReadErr> has been posting a bunch 
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2016-12-02T07:30:05 < ohsix> wut
2016-12-02T07:30:48 < ReadErr> on the openpnp group
2016-12-02T07:30:54 < ohsix> o
2016-12-02T07:31:08 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/user/mikeselectricstuff
2016-12-02T07:31:09 < ReadErr> that guy
2016-12-02T07:31:12 < ohsix> vonnieda?
2016-12-02T07:31:15 < ohsix> wait wat
2016-12-02T07:31:17 < ohsix> OH
2016-12-02T07:31:18 < ohsix> haha
2016-12-02T07:31:29 < ohsix> if that was all on one line i wouldn't have been as confused
2016-12-02T07:31:41 < ohsix> -> nice
2016-12-02T07:31:53 < ohsix> just using or offering patches?
2016-12-02T07:32:46 < ReadErr> just talking about pnp stuff
2016-12-02T07:32:51 < ReadErr> on the googlegroups
2016-12-02T07:33:09 < ReadErr> not been following too close
2016-12-02T07:33:16 < ReadErr> all my googlegroups/github stuff goes to a folder
2016-12-02T07:33:27 < ReadErr> and i dont read all too closely
2016-12-02T07:36:18 < ohsix> 🐦🠅
2016-12-02T07:36:57 < ohsix> bird up
2016-12-02T07:37:05 < ReadErr> 💯 🌍 ⭐️ 
2016-12-02T07:37:13 < ohsix> can't actually see them here, huhuhu
2016-12-02T07:37:26 < ohsix> well, the star showed up
2016-12-02T07:37:52 < ohsix> loonix/fontconfig should be able to show color bitmaps for emoji, and make them pretty big even, i dunno why it doesn't :<
2016-12-02T07:38:20  * ohsix 💭
2016-12-02T07:38:39 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NiAF8pOb/lrn2lunixpls.png
2016-12-02T07:38:44 < ReadErr> thats how osx console handles
2016-12-02T07:39:28 < ohsix> ya
2016-12-02T07:39:39 < ohsix> it's a high priority feature on osx
2016-12-02T07:41:06 < ReadErr> it should be everywhere
2016-12-02T07:41:07 < ohsix> oic
2016-12-02T07:41:12 < ReadErr> emoji analysis yo
2016-12-02T07:41:14 < ohsix> er heh
2016-12-02T07:41:43 < ohsix> well, for the emoji fonts in the repos, there's no related fontconfig rules to prefer them over other fonts
2016-12-02T07:42:15 < ReadErr> idk this shit just works, looks the same in chrome as it does in terminal 
2016-12-02T07:42:27 < ReadErr> doesnt seem like such a hard thing 
2016-12-02T07:42:50 < ohsix> it's nto
2016-12-02T07:43:03 < ohsix> it's just font fallback/preference rules for different glyphs
2016-12-02T07:43:21 < ohsix> it just isn't automatically done
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2016-12-02T07:47:29 < ohsix> there's lots of font packages and shit but the actual glyph fallback rules and shit come from something else
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2016-12-02T07:49:32 < dongs> nice autismmmmmmmmmmmm
2016-12-02T07:50:04 < ohsix> hm installing noto got actual big emoji characters in my picker thing
2016-12-02T07:50:34 < ReadErr> just run a hackintosh
2016-12-02T07:50:43 < ReadErr> best of worlds
2016-12-02T07:50:47 < ohsix> need more ram, sort of do already
2016-12-02T07:52:18 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, most people dont service/replace/upgrade their electronics
2016-12-02T07:52:39 < upgrdman> err well they replace. but the whole thing, not components
2016-12-02T07:52:54 < ohsix> WUT
2016-12-02T07:53:13 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, not really. apple shit holds its value
2016-12-02T07:53:14 < dongs> im not so sure how this "best" thing works
2016-12-02T07:53:23 < dongs> usually you buy apple to show that you're a rich faggot
2016-12-02T07:53:28 < dongs> and a moron
2016-12-02T07:53:33 < upgrdman> i sold my 4yr old MBPr for 50% of what i paid
2016-12-02T07:53:39 < dongs> so loading osx on a real PC is totally stupid
2016-12-02T07:53:41 < ReadErr> yea the hardware is solid
2016-12-02T07:53:42 < upgrdman> try that with a normal pc, you'd be lucky to get 15%
2016-12-02T07:53:50 < ohsix> ehh
2016-12-02T07:53:58 < ReadErr> this laptop im on now is like 5 years old
2016-12-02T07:54:03 < ohsix> last bunch of years has been kind of exceptional outside of apple even
2016-12-02T07:54:08 < ReadErr> still runs like a top
2016-12-02T07:54:44 < ohsix> if you have enough memory and aren't nuts about it, browsing the web and other shit is fast enough and shiz on just about anything
2016-12-02T07:54:48 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5X4X2EaM/osx.png
2016-12-02T07:55:01 < ReadErr> cant complain
2016-12-02T07:55:13 < dongs> lol. complete garbage.
2016-12-02T07:55:16 < dongs> barely useful for ircing
2016-12-02T07:55:30 < ohsix> did you sierra?
2016-12-02T07:55:33 < ReadErr> yea
2016-12-02T07:55:37 < ohsix> it ran pretty ok in a vm
2016-12-02T07:55:46 < ReadErr> works fine
2016-12-02T07:56:25 < ohsix> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/enable-color-emoji-linux-svg-font the config hack here uses the emoji font first before any other lul
2016-12-02T07:56:36 < ohsix> (and assumes the emoji font has nothing but emoji in it)
2016-12-02T07:57:03 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/n860nkhql01y.jpg
2016-12-02T07:57:41 < ReadErr> uhhh
2016-12-02T07:57:50 < ohsix> that's awesome
2016-12-02T07:57:53 < ohsix> shit the glitter
2016-12-02T07:57:59 < ohsix> gleam the cube
2016-12-02T07:58:30 < ohsix> google suggested 'glitter pills' for 'glitter ' ebay search
2016-12-02T07:58:31 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-x-Glitter-Pills-Unicorn-Poop-Sparkle-Capsules-Rainbow-Glitterbomb-Gag-Gift-/162284076912?hash=item25c8e27f70:g:PYoAAOSw5cNYLVOu
2016-12-02T07:58:55 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Glitter-Poop-Pill-Glow-in-the-Dark-Unicorn-Poop-Free-Organza-Pouch-/272441695933?hash=item3f6eca5ebd:g:5xwAAOSwn7JYC9In glow in the dark ones
2016-12-02T08:00:08 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/p56yhlS.gifv
2016-12-02T08:01:19 < ohsix> https://eev.ee/blog/2015/12/19/you-should-make-a-doom-level-part-1/ heh
2016-12-02T08:01:53 < ohsix> already know how to make doom levels, but someone writing about it in 2015 is kewl
2016-12-02T08:02:13 < upgrdman> LOL that look at the very end   http://i.imgur.com/wWMMkNA.gifv
2016-12-02T08:04:35 < ReadErr> I used to be pretty decent at CS map making 
2016-12-02T08:05:32 < dongs> < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/n860nkhql01y.jpg
2016-12-02T08:05:36 < dongs> wasnt this a kickstarter
2016-12-02T08:06:18 < upgrdman> dunno
2016-12-02T08:06:46 < dongs> k time to write driver for 0.96" oled
2016-12-02T08:06:48 < dongs> or rip one from somewehre
2016-12-02T08:07:09 < ReadErr> Mike "suck that cock get the glock" Pence
2016-12-02T08:07:09 < ReadErr> Mike "You smoke pole, then you're going in that hole." Pence
2016-12-02T08:07:09 < ReadErr> Mike "Empty a mag in every fag" Pence
2016-12-02T08:07:09 < ReadErr> Mike "Turning Fruits into Vegetables" Pence
2016-12-02T08:07:51 < ReadErr> Mike "Faraday the Gay Away" Pence
2016-12-02T08:08:56 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-02T08:09:03 < ohsix> looks like it might just be terminal configuration
2016-12-02T08:11:12 < upgrdman> ohsix, from the last smartereveryday video:  http://i.imgur.com/7atH2Sd.gifv
2016-12-02T08:11:28 < ohsix> hm, just switching to noto doesn't work well,  but the star you posted was yuge
2016-12-02T08:11:48 < ohsix> that's awesome
2016-12-02T08:11:51 < ohsix> upgrdman: ^
2016-12-02T08:12:09 < ohsix> that's actually, probably, the best thign you could ever do with such a thing :D
2016-12-02T08:12:14 < upgrdman> some S&M freaks should make one of those, but with a dildo
2016-12-02T08:12:43 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOgQqpuXcfI
2016-12-02T08:13:16 < ohsix> bang bang
2016-12-02T08:13:55 < ohsix> destin is annoying D:
2016-12-02T08:15:00 < ohsix> and vsause and that other dude
2016-12-02T08:15:23 < ohsix> they could be talking about anything and their 'excitement' and mannerisms would be the same, it somehow makes the subject matter less interesting 2 me
2016-12-02T08:16:03 < ohsix> haha at the beginning of the video, 'i assure you this is real'
2016-12-02T08:16:09 < ohsix> who are they talking to :o
2016-12-02T08:17:20 < ohsix> that onetesla kit looks pretty kewl
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2016-12-02T08:18:52 < ohsix> "igbit" :<
2016-12-02T08:20:44 < ohsix> the ground strikes on tha t9v coil sound sweet
2016-12-02T08:22:01 < ohsix> youc an see the hobbyking batteries in the backpack
2016-12-02T08:25:34 < ohsix> that is pretty kewl
2016-12-02T08:30:22 < ohsix> ReadErr: looks like screen is fucking with stuff, it already works in terminal
2016-12-02T08:33:08 < ohsix> that's like, what has happened literally every time i had to _think_ of fontconfig, or fonts at all -> screen fucking it up
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2016-12-02T08:45:50 < ReadErr> lol ofc something has to complicate things
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2016-12-02T08:45:56 < ReadErr> lighten up lunix
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2016-12-02T08:50:18 < stvn> lasersl
2016-12-02T08:50:22 < stvn> lasers;
2016-12-02T08:51:43 < englishman> stvn: 
2016-12-02T08:52:01 < englishman> rate your intoxication
2016-12-02T08:52:35 < stvn> 7
2016-12-02T08:52:44 < stvn> i have an epilog laser engraver on the bench
2016-12-02T08:53:34 < stvn> what the fuck is a diode with V3H P128L
2016-12-02T08:54:08 < stvn> can you hand me a serve?
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2016-12-02T09:08:37 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/eHt56VY.jpg
2016-12-02T09:08:45 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/HnHucHn.jpg what did i do wrong
2016-12-02T09:09:47 < dongs> just get random noise slowly scrollin'
2016-12-02T09:11:58 < englishman> did you properly utilize aidsfruit libs
2016-12-02T09:12:19 < dongs> no i used waveshat code
2016-12-02T09:12:36 < stvn> lul
2016-12-02T09:12:47 < dongs> oops
2016-12-02T09:12:55 < dongs> their demo code says "1.3" oled"
2016-12-02T09:14:24 < englishman> I repeat
2016-12-02T09:15:18 < stvn> cool
2016-12-02T09:18:05 < ohsix> :< trying to find stud sizes in exhaust manifold so i don't have to take them off to go get replacements
2016-12-02T09:18:13 < ohsix> not specified anywhere i've looked
2016-12-02T09:18:18 < stvn> ohsix, just fit a trumpet to the exhaust
2016-12-02T09:18:28 < ohsix> i'd love to do that
2016-12-02T09:18:33 < ohsix> like a vuvuzela
2016-12-02T09:18:41 < stvn> that too
2016-12-02T09:18:48 < stvn> but you'd have black people chasing it
2016-12-02T09:18:51 < ohsix> or an actual trombone
2016-12-02T09:19:04 < ohsix> er not trombone
2016-12-02T09:19:29 < ohsix> tuba
2016-12-02T09:19:41 < stvn> tooba
2016-12-02T09:19:47 < stvn> or chuuba
2016-12-02T09:20:04 < ohsix> WOO WOOH
2016-12-02T09:20:06 < ohsix> wistle tips
2016-12-02T09:20:18 < stvn> this stupid dog is making noises again
2016-12-02T09:20:29 < ohsix> what kind
2016-12-02T09:20:45 < stvn> just the typical annoying sounds a staffordshire terrier makes
2016-12-02T09:20:49 < stvn> welcome R2COM 
2016-12-02T09:20:58 < ohsix> ah
2016-12-02T09:21:05 < stvn> zyklon b of course
2016-12-02T09:21:05 < ohsix> i think you've said that before too
2016-12-02T09:21:17 < stvn> what else is he doing?
2016-12-02T09:21:50 < ohsix> an acquaintence has one of them there dogs, he goes nuts for green lasers
2016-12-02T09:22:05 < stvn> they go nuts for anything ohsix 
2016-12-02T09:22:34 < ohsix> maybe
2016-12-02T09:22:45 < ohsix> they were the first dog breed i've seen react to lasers like that tho
2016-12-02T09:25:37 < ohsix> hm i guess i'll have to take bolts out when engine is cold, measure threads & picture, put them back in, get the replacements, then put them in the next day
2016-12-02T09:26:12 < ohsix> auto repair is 'fun' 
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2016-12-02T09:32:32 < dongs> score.
2016-12-02T09:32:36 < dongs> i needed to reset it first
2016-12-02T09:32:41 < stvn> cool
2016-12-02T09:33:10 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_5
2016-12-02T09:33:15 < ohsix> buh
2016-12-02T09:33:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/caEwf2C.jpg
2016-12-02T09:34:10 < stvn> thanks
2016-12-02T09:34:45 < stvn> i'll pledge one unit on your dickstarter dongs 
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2016-12-02T09:36:31 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_electronic_devices_and_health lul
2016-12-02T09:37:22 < stvn> kool
2016-12-02T09:37:46 < stvn> guess a cuntminging feminist with sand in her vag wrote that article
2016-12-02T09:37:55 < stvn> or a transfuck
2016-12-02T09:38:43 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothing
2016-12-02T09:39:22 < ohsix> fake news is not new
2016-12-02T09:39:30 < ohsix> this was a big deal haha
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2016-12-02T09:42:08 < stvn> c00l
2016-12-02T09:42:16 < stvn> ohsix, you should become stm32 captain
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2016-12-02T09:46:12 < ohsix> sure
2016-12-02T09:46:36 < ohsix> Kliment: i remember one of the reasons i wasn't so worried about the top finish, the gears on the printhead (which are 3d printed) looked ~similar
2016-12-02T09:48:28 < ohsix> going to try their gcode and find a small part to print & see if it turns out poop & look for other reasons it might be messed up
2016-12-02T09:48:53 < ohsix> people generally aren't printing parts with flat surfaces :>
2016-12-02T09:48:53 < stvn> R2COM, yeah
2016-12-02T09:49:15 < stvn> i think you should work for nvidia they have pork shoulders
2016-12-02T09:49:17 < dongs> R2COM: nvidia doenst sound too bad.
2016-12-02T09:49:23 < dongs> they're not dying
2016-12-02T09:49:25 < dongs> tehy are innovating
2016-12-02T09:49:29 < dongs> so..
2016-12-02T09:49:38 < stvn> dongs, did you get your nvidia card?
2016-12-02T09:49:49 < dongs> stvn, 1070? in the mail. 1050ti is great.
2016-12-02T09:49:55 < stvn> nice
2016-12-02T09:52:06 < dongs> retarded = california?
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2016-12-02T09:53:27 < dongs> anything keeping you in faggot, boston?
2016-12-02T09:53:37 < dongs> its not like you have a family or house or anything rigtt
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2016-12-02T09:54:11 < dongs> you could crash at upgrdman's place
2016-12-02T09:54:41 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-02T09:54:52 < stvn> if you're not gay you can stay here
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2016-12-02T09:57:38 < dongs> you could then crash at emeb's place
2016-12-02T09:57:45 < dongs> what pro stuff happens in SZ?
2016-12-02T09:57:47 < dongs> er AZ
2016-12-02T09:59:25 < ohsix> magic rocks
2016-12-02T10:02:12 < ohsix> swedes met assange for the rape thing
2016-12-02T10:02:24 < ohsix> what an elaborate hoax about him still being alive
2016-12-02T10:03:05 < stvn> im captain autism
2016-12-02T10:05:45 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/pGGAzFz.jpg
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2016-12-02T10:10:29 < ohsix> how, what
2016-12-02T10:10:51 < stvn> heh
2016-12-02T10:11:06 < Kliment> Yay, got layout done before today's boardhouse cutoff
2016-12-02T10:11:24 < stvn> i miss my JBC JT hot air system
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2016-12-02T10:12:04 < ohsix> junior bacon cheeseburger?
2016-12-02T10:12:15 < stvn> no
2016-12-02T10:12:20 < stvn> just big cocks
2016-12-02T10:12:30 < ohsix> was it like an 853
2016-12-02T10:12:35 < stvn> wut
2016-12-02T10:12:44 < ohsix> they're sooooo shit but omg compared to nothing it's magic
2016-12-02T10:12:47 < stvn> the reheater?
2016-12-02T10:12:51 < stvn> preheater
2016-12-02T10:13:29 < ohsix> nah it just has a hand tool
2016-12-02T10:13:36 < stvn> http://www.jbctools.com/jt-hot-air-station-product-13-category-3.html
2016-12-02T10:13:48 < ohsix> jbc looks nice
2016-12-02T10:13:51 < ohsix> yea looking at it
2016-12-02T10:14:09 < ohsix> heater is in handle?
2016-12-02T10:14:13 < stvn> yup
2016-12-02T10:15:01 < ohsix> http://img.mylaptopshome.com/23%2F23003414%2F23003414-4-151222164451.jpg
2016-12-02T10:15:43 < dongs> guess-the-autist game
2016-12-02T10:15:55 < dongs> looks like o6
2016-12-02T10:16:00 < stvn> correct
2016-12-02T10:16:46 < stvn> what are you doing today dong
2016-12-02T10:17:02 < dongs> fuckin around with that board
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2016-12-02T10:17:09 < dongs> going to use it to flash STM32 with stm32
2016-12-02T10:17:33  * Kliment put testpads on a line with 2.54mm spacing :)
2016-12-02T10:17:35 < stvn> sounds legit
2016-12-02T10:17:40 < Kliment> Take that dongs :P
2016-12-02T10:17:42 < stvn> 10mil?
2016-12-02T10:18:05 < dongs> Kliment: shrugging furiously, jig making people didnt give slightest fuck that pads are not aligned on anything
2016-12-02T10:18:08 < stvn> 100 actually lol
2016-12-02T10:18:16 < stvn> hmmmm
2016-12-02T10:18:33 < stvn> i've had a week of dealing with my sales guy thinking he can do the most basic of on-site tasks
2016-12-02T10:18:39 < Kliment> dongs: Yeah of course, but I recall that time you were having a bad time with an SPI chip
2016-12-02T10:19:25 < stvn> can't even trust him to make 1 solder joint
2016-12-02T10:20:09 < Kliment> stvn: have him call your boardhouse and try to get unjustified discounts
2016-12-02T10:20:30 < Kliment> stvn: Repeat with all your parts suppliers
2016-12-02T10:20:34 < stvn> yeah mate
2016-12-02T10:20:45 < stvn> if i had time to route a board
2016-12-02T10:22:13 < stvn> seems like all i'm doing is fixing his fuck-ups
2016-12-02T10:22:57 < stvn> he makes some stupid decision, fucks up shit, then expects it to work
2016-12-02T10:23:36 < Kliment> That's why you divert him to other tasks
2016-12-02T10:26:16 < stvn> i explained to him why a systems integration engineer exists
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2016-12-02T10:32:57 < ohsix> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate-alt-right-hate-trump
2016-12-02T10:33:33 < ohsix> Kliment: lul @ asking for discount
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2016-12-02T10:33:51 < ohsix> the guy that runs the books at the place i 'work' at does that when he can
2016-12-02T10:34:41 < ohsix> it is great to have someone to do that stuff, cuz you really should insist in some cases, when someone else fucks up
2016-12-02T10:34:58 < Kliment> ohsix: You "work", and they "pay" you? :P
2016-12-02T10:35:02 < stvn> lol
2016-12-02T10:35:32 < ohsix> yep
2016-12-02T10:35:35 < stvn> i used to work at a place where i'd pump on irc for 5 hours then work for 1
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2016-12-02T10:36:14 < ohsix> i've been getting paid to fuck with 3d printer for 2 days now
2016-12-02T10:36:23 < ohsix> guy wanted keychains for board meeting
2016-12-02T10:38:23 < stvn> then i quit.exe
2016-12-02T10:38:56 < stvn> now i just keep the bank afloat and drink
2016-12-02T10:39:09 < ohsix> nice place to be
2016-12-02T10:39:22 < ohsix> oh
2016-12-02T10:39:31 < ohsix> there is also beer in the fridge all the time
2016-12-02T10:39:34 < dongs> ohsix doesnt work
2016-12-02T10:39:46 < ohsix> and a keg fridgerator
2016-12-02T10:40:02 < ohsix> not a huge beer drinker, but heyyy that's neato
2016-12-02T10:40:10 < stvn> :D
2016-12-02T10:40:21 < stvn> dongs, give him a board to layout
2016-12-02T10:40:33 < ohsix> i need to learn kicad
2016-12-02T10:40:51 < ohsix> i took the soldering class a friend of mine does, it is way too long
2016-12-02T10:41:04 < ohsix> so i was going to make a pcb/kit we could do in house that is simpler
2016-12-02T10:41:15 < stvn> wut
2016-12-02T10:43:09 < stvn> what the fuck is kicad ohsix 
2016-12-02T10:43:31 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/aoighost/status/804097977438654465
2016-12-02T10:43:44 < ohsix> pcb/schematic capture
2016-12-02T10:44:08 < stvn> okay
2016-12-02T10:44:19 < stvn> why not you altium?
2016-12-02T10:44:48 < ohsix> won't have it everywhere and i potentially need to teach/train people
2016-12-02T10:45:18 < stvn> okay
2016-12-02T10:45:23 < stvn> ohsix the pcb layout trainer
2016-12-02T10:45:26 < stvn> tell me more
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2016-12-02T10:46:22 < ohsix> nothing to tell, yet
2016-12-02T10:47:04 < stvn> mmm
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2016-12-02T11:01:08 < Kliment> ohsix: Where are you based?
2016-12-02T11:02:21 < stvn> the pot
2016-12-02T11:02:23 < Kliment> ohsix: I teach a class called "surface mount electronics assembly for terrified beginners", I can pass you my materials if you're interested
2016-12-02T11:02:39 < stvn> bg
2016-12-02T11:02:39 < stvn> a
2016-12-02T11:03:26 < ohsix> i'm in bend oregon
2016-12-02T11:04:07 < Kliment> Oh my I'm sure you've heard this a million times
2016-12-02T11:04:15 < Kliment> But doesn't it just drive you round the bend?
2016-12-02T11:04:21 < ohsix> never
2016-12-02T11:04:33 < ohsix> plus once
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2016-12-02T11:36:17 < karlp> BrainDamage: what's a walton's dick ladder? I didn't do well searching for that
2016-12-02T11:36:35 < upgrdman> lol. prolly jacobs ladder
2016-12-02T11:36:59 < stvn> cockroft walton 
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2016-12-02T11:37:05 < stvn> voltage multiplier??
2016-12-02T11:37:14 < upgrdman> http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/1_psc0416_ma_opener-1.jpg?itok=-45RDSLz
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2016-12-02T11:39:10 < stvn> karlp, it's just mickey mouse
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2016-12-02T12:04:27 < karlp> yeah, jacob's ladders I knew
2016-12-02T12:05:05 < stvn> pew pew
2016-12-02T12:05:06 < Steffanx> Bmp went kickstarter.. Oh no.
2016-12-02T12:05:19 < stvn> jacobs ladders are just arcs oxidising
2016-12-02T12:05:31 < stvn> sure you understand that
2016-12-02T12:05:36 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
2016-12-02T12:06:56 < karlp> no, jacob's ladder is a staircase near roma street....
2016-12-02T12:07:04 < stvn> thanks mate
2016-12-02T12:09:01 < Steffanx> Hi steveyn.
2016-12-02T12:10:29 < stvn> welcome steffan
2016-12-02T12:10:49 < stvn> it is nice to see you here
2016-12-02T12:11:16 < stvn> how are your engineers
2016-12-02T12:23:57 < Kliment> Heh, apparently some californian mapping and airplane photo company is trying to recruit people by offering "discounts on flight training"
2016-12-02T12:24:40 < karlp> flight lessons are pricy in cali, that's probably a good deal
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2016-12-02T13:13:49 < karlp> Laurenceb: in that impact fusion paper, what's "crystal DT methane (CD 2 T 2 )" ?
2016-12-02T13:13:53 < karlp> what's the DT mean?
2016-12-02T13:14:11 < Kliment> deuterium?
2016-12-02T13:14:35 < karlp> is that methane with 2 deut, 2 trit?
2016-12-02T13:14:57 < Kliment> DT is deut/trit ratio
2016-12-02T13:16:56 < Thorn> http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/107914/why-is-country-pronounced-as-cunt-tree this is what happens when dongs is your English teacher
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2016-12-02T13:36:53 < stvn> ah fuck
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2016-12-02T13:48:48 < stvn> can't trust one person to service a jog wheel
2016-12-02T13:49:48 < stvn> Thorn, lel
2016-12-02T13:53:45 < BrainDamage> karlp: cockroft walton voltage multiplier
2016-12-02T13:54:56 < karlp> BrainDamage: thanks.
2016-12-02T13:55:24 < stvn> yes
2016-12-02T13:55:30 < stvn> cockliplier
2016-12-02T13:55:42 < stvn> pumping capacitors
2016-12-02T13:55:49 < stvn> literally
2016-12-02T13:55:54 < BrainDamage> 1st stage runs at 15kV AC, then we boost until 1.2MV with 50 stages
2016-12-02T13:56:00 < stvn> crikey
2016-12-02T13:56:14 < stvn> what does 1.2MV mean in terms of 
2016-12-02T13:56:21 < stvn> that is  a big voltages
2016-12-02T13:57:17 < BrainDamage> the whole shit stays in a long pipe full of deionized water to reduce leaks
2016-12-02T13:58:54 < karlp> wiki says you get not much current when you have that many stages
2016-12-02T13:58:59 < BrainDamage> correct
2016-12-02T14:00:05 < BrainDamage> input is 400W, output we measured meager 80W
2016-12-02T14:00:29 < BrainDamage> then again, the whole thing was/is pretty ghetto
2016-12-02T14:00:47 < BrainDamage> mostl due to the limited budget
2016-12-02T14:01:00 < BrainDamage> russian surplus "NOS" helped a lot
2016-12-02T14:01:46 < karlp> what are you doing with it again?
2016-12-02T14:02:10 < BrainDamage> i was trying to build a linac / tunable xray source
2016-12-02T14:02:31 < Kliment> You could just make a giant spark gap and call it arc-ansas
2016-12-02T14:02:42 < BrainDamage> basically a giant crt, but with enough energy to have pair production
2016-12-02T14:03:47 < karlp> was this at uni? 
2016-12-02T14:03:57 < BrainDamage> no, project with a friend
2016-12-02T14:04:00 < stvn> CRT?
2016-12-02T14:04:05 < BrainDamage> crt.
2016-12-02T14:06:15 < stvn> HI BrainDamage 
2016-12-02T14:06:42 < BrainDamage> making pictures with it would be pretty hard tough
2016-12-02T14:06:54 < BrainDamage> getting cancer on the other hand ...
2016-12-02T14:09:35 < sync> BrainDamage: I doubt you were getting 1.2MV at the sharp end
2016-12-02T14:10:19 < BrainDamage> we used oil filled power resistors to measure the output
2016-12-02T14:10:58 < BrainDamage> 1180kV something, closeenough.oiloncanvas
2016-12-02T14:12:17 < stvn> pumping the MVs
2016-12-02T14:12:56 < BrainDamage> ( they were from grid line devices we got from a transformer park which was scrapping equipment )
2016-12-02T14:13:05 < stvn> hmmmm
2016-12-02T14:13:17 < BrainDamage> and yes, we did measure the resistance at best as we could to confirm they weren't fucked
2016-12-02T14:13:39 < stvn> the dirty rig mate
2016-12-02T14:13:46 < stvn> the real question is
2016-12-02T14:14:01 < stvn> stm32
2016-12-02T14:14:09 < BrainDamage> there was one in the psu :p
2016-12-02T14:14:15 < stvn> nice
2016-12-02T14:14:21 < stvn> what did she do?
2016-12-02T14:14:50 < BrainDamage> controlled the H bridge driving the HV transformer of the 1st stage
2016-12-02T14:15:14 < stvn> hell yeah
2016-12-02T14:15:23 < stvn> was it a full bridge?
2016-12-02T14:15:42 < BrainDamage> yes, we had optically isolated feedback from primary and the secondary
2016-12-02T14:15:47 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-02T14:16:00 < stvn> peak current mode control?
2016-12-02T14:17:09 < BrainDamage> yes and no, we made it estimate both parasitic C and L and run it free with checks for limit excess
2016-12-02T14:17:16 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-02T14:17:39 < stvn> i really would like to investigate more about peak current control in bridge applications
2016-12-02T14:18:02 < sync> it works
2016-12-02T14:18:03 < stvn> in current fed applications of course
2016-12-02T14:18:13  * stvn waves to sync 
2016-12-02T14:18:18 < BrainDamage> in retrospective tought it'd have been better if we just used some more standard setup
2016-12-02T14:18:48 < BrainDamage> would've probably blowed out less flywheel diodes
2016-12-02T14:18:54 < stvn> :3
2016-12-02T14:19:29 < stvn> i've never had to do 'off the line' applications in a commercial implementation
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2016-12-02T14:20:27 < sync> my induction heater used peak current limiting to control power
2016-12-02T14:20:31 < sync> that worked pretty well
2016-12-02T14:20:38 < stvn> yeah it would
2016-12-02T14:21:09 < stvn> its a good control strategy
2016-12-02T14:22:10 < stvn> i've seen some stupidly large current fed single ended power converters
2016-12-02T14:22:19 < BrainDamage> my fav was when we checked several designs for inspiration which had the secondary explicitly capacitively coupled with the primary ( they were blocking self oscilators togh ), we didn't understand why and omitted it
2016-12-02T14:22:44 < BrainDamage> the whole thing sparked like a cheap movie effect
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2016-12-02T14:22:51 < stvn> hmm
2016-12-02T14:23:09 < stvn> i don't like blocking oscillators
2016-12-02T14:23:33 < BrainDamage> well, we were pretty new to the topic so we tried simple designs first
2016-12-02T14:23:38 < stvn> i see
2016-12-02T14:23:43 < stvn> fair enought
2016-12-02T14:23:44 < stvn> -t
2016-12-02T14:24:41 < stvn> i've only been educated by the plethora of literature on these topics in power electronics design
2016-12-02T14:25:15 < stvn> which usually rang true with my lecturer
2016-12-02T14:26:53 < BrainDamage> i had a power electronics course too, but it doesn't help as much when eg you're abusing a neon transformer of which you have 0 idea about specs when driving the core in near saturation :p
2016-12-02T14:27:32 < BrainDamage> this was 4-5 years ago, i knew much less and had not much money for silly stuff
2016-12-02T14:27:50 < sync> neon transformers suck hard for that job
2016-12-02T14:28:13 < stvn> haha BrainDamage 
2016-12-02T14:28:22 < stvn> welcome BrainDamage 
2016-12-02T14:28:27 < stvn> rocking the nst
2016-12-02T14:28:40 < stvn> just wind yer own
2016-12-02T14:28:47 < stvn> ferrite bitches
2016-12-02T14:29:13 < BrainDamage> yeah, we discovered ourselves how much they sucked, we managed to find a tollerable transformer from a super sketchy site in the end
2016-12-02T14:29:21 < stvn> yaha
2016-12-02T14:29:28 < stvn> you gotta smash one out mate
2016-12-02T14:30:13 < stvn> without rolling your own gear
2016-12-02T14:30:15 < stvn> hmmm
2016-12-02T14:30:50 < stvn> something of an odd geometry
2016-12-02T14:31:29 < sync> the center tapped shit they do to reduce the insulation requirements makes them even more useless :D
2016-12-02T14:31:42 < sync> and that strange magnetic design so that the yoke makes them soft
2016-12-02T14:32:10 < stvn> https://youtu.be/uCm1iPLVe8I?t=4m20s
2016-12-02T14:32:22 < stvn> its just mickey mouse
2016-12-02T14:35:20 < stvn> here he comes, here comes speed racer
2016-12-02T14:36:11 < stvn> he's a paedo on wheels
2016-12-02T14:36:25 < stvn> he's a paedo and he's gonna be chasin' after young ones!!!
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2016-12-02T14:59:48 < Laurenceb_> that was quite autistic
2016-12-02T15:01:43 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/ctt1Lm.jpg
2016-12-02T15:02:38 < jpa-> talsit: why are your other components flying also?  https://www.reddit.com/r/electronics/comments/5g30z0/when_you_dont_have_a_40m_resistor_and_it_cant/
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2016-12-02T15:04:23 < karlp> what are those brass bits on the top edge?
2016-12-02T15:07:26 < jpa-> maybe banana jacks?
2016-12-02T15:07:49 < karlp> yeah, I was thinking 3.5mm stuff, but banana makes more sense for a single trace.
2016-12-02T15:08:25 < karlp> hrm, 32bit chained timer works ok, too dumb to get 32bit output compare working though.
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2016-12-02T15:37:31 < dongs> will start porting stm32flash to stm32 either later today or tomrorwo morning
2016-12-02T15:37:33 < dongs> wish me luck
2016-12-02T15:38:57 < PaulFertser> You'll need it for sure!
2016-12-02T15:39:09 < PaulFertser> That filthy opensource
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2016-12-02T15:44:43 < qyx> are you going to flash stm32 from a stm32
2016-12-02T15:44:57 < qyx> flash flashes from flashes
2016-12-02T15:47:44 < dongs> yes
2016-12-02T15:47:58 < dongs> qyx: http://i.imgur.com/caEwf2C.jpg using this thing
2016-12-02T15:48:43 < qyx> actually, whats the plural form of flash
2016-12-02T15:48:56 < dongs> furasshu
2016-12-02T15:49:34 < qyx> thats scratched oled is a standard china made bicolor oled?
2016-12-02T15:49:47 < qyx> spi/i2c?
2016-12-02T15:54:37 < dongs> yes
2016-12-02T15:54:39 < dongs> its not scrached
2016-12-02T15:54:51 < dongs> its got that cover film i nveer took off
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2016-12-02T16:02:16 < ReadErr> did u port the driver from arduino????
2016-12-02T16:09:44 < dongs> what driver?
2016-12-02T16:09:51 < dongs> i downloaded 7z from waveshare
2016-12-02T16:09:59 < dongs> and implemented ssd1306_writebyte() or osmeshit
2016-12-02T16:10:04 < dongs> which was just a one-liner call to my i2C driver.
2016-12-02T16:10:09 < dongs> the rest just worked.
2016-12-02T16:21:56 < Steffanx> Waveshare 4 president
2016-12-02T16:50:34 < dongs> mm
2016-12-02T16:50:45 < dongs> les than a minute to copy 2 meg flash
2016-12-02T16:50:52 < dongs> without DMA 
2016-12-02T16:50:54 < dongs> time to implement
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2016-12-02T16:59:53 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/e7af75328dea96559ff9e700c27eea8da7b3446a0d7e15cd452122e198834da5.jpg
2016-12-02T17:00:26 < Laurenceb> RAKE THE LEAVES!
2016-12-02T17:20:02 < dongs> wait how the fuck do I do RX DMA on SPI master
2016-12-02T17:20:18 < dongs> i ahve to do a dummy tx to get it going?
2016-12-02T17:33:40 < dongs> yep
2016-12-02T17:33:41 < dongs> nice.
2016-12-02T17:33:51 < dongs> now to do same for tx
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2016-12-02T18:37:19 < Kliment> dongs: Were you the flight controller dude?
2016-12-02T18:39:50 < dongs> yeah.
2016-12-02T18:40:16 < Kliment> dongs: Do you know the LSM9DS1?
2016-12-02T18:40:38 < dongs> is that the PCB thing
2016-12-02T18:40:49 < dongs> ah no
2016-12-02T18:40:50 < dongs> sip.
2016-12-02T18:40:59 < dongs> anyway, ive used st acc/gyro/mag (in separate chips)
2016-12-02T18:40:59 < Kliment> No, it's a 9dof sensor IC from ST
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2016-12-02T18:41:35 < Kliment> Are the magnetometers in those any good. I'm playing with one and it seems to have an offset that's about 1/4 of FS
2016-12-02T18:41:50 < dongs> did you mount next to some metal screws?
2016-12-02T18:42:08 < dongs> i used the combo acc/mag thing from ST in a project that ended up in a bunch of trains and it worked fine tehre.
2016-12-02T18:42:13 < dongs> it was only used to get rough heading
2016-12-02T18:42:27 < Kliment> Yeah, heading is what I'm trying to extract too
2016-12-02T18:42:52 < Kliment> No metal screws, there's a handful of 0402 caps next to it
2016-12-02T18:43:08 < dongs> yeah tahts not a problem obviously
2016-12-02T18:43:10 < dongs> how did you solder it?
2016-12-02T18:43:13 < dongs> properly or ghetto?
2016-12-02T18:43:33 < Kliment> Reflow, but I don't have xray to check results
2016-12-02T18:43:48 < dongs> probly fine if reflow
2016-12-02T18:44:10 < dongs> ive seen offsets on stuff when overheating them too much with ghettosoldering
2016-12-02T18:44:39 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lT87NybZzk 
2016-12-02T18:44:39 < dongs> if  you just want heading you shoulda used the combo acc/mag and not even bother wiht gyro
2016-12-02T18:44:45 < ReadErr> Laurenceb ^^
2016-12-02T18:45:09 < Kliment> dongs: Customer needs gyro for something else
2016-12-02T18:47:32 < dongs> anyway, there are ways to get teh mag calibration thing done like smartphones do, but I donno if you even need that for heading. i didn't need to calibrate any of the units with acc+mag and heading was justf ine on all of them
2016-12-02T18:47:42 < dongs> there was also a huge DB25 connector pretty close to the sensor.
2016-12-02T18:48:13 < aandrew> they say that 9DOF sensor is not nearly as good as their newer 6DOF+3DOF (two components)
2016-12-02T18:48:25 < aandrew> I was going to use the 9DOF as well but they strongly suggested using their newer stuff
2016-12-02T18:48:48 < Laurenceb> what
2016-12-02T18:48:57 < dongs> their multichip packages are fuckign retarded anyway
2016-12-02T18:49:05 < Laurenceb> LSM9DS1 is pretty hawt
2016-12-02T18:49:08 < dongs> its literally 2 dies together , you even get separate CS lines for acc/mag + gyro
2016-12-02T18:49:09 < Laurenceb> if you can solder it
2016-12-02T18:49:12 < dongs> so god damn lazy
2016-12-02T18:49:41 < Laurenceb>  1/4FS is pretty standard
2016-12-02T18:49:46 < Laurenceb> you have to calibrate
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2016-12-02T18:49:59 < Laurenceb> but gain and offset calibration gives good results
2016-12-02T18:50:09 < Kliment> dongs: The entire range is on the positive side on one of these
2016-12-02T18:50:18 < Laurenceb> you arent going to get better than ST magnos
2016-12-02T18:50:26 < Laurenceb> hmm that doesnt sound quite right
2016-12-02T18:50:29 < dongs> one? the other one(s) are fine?
2016-12-02T18:50:31 < dongs> or do you onyl have one sample
2016-12-02T18:50:32 < Laurenceb> I've never had one thats that bad
2016-12-02T18:50:51 < Kliment> dongs: I have two here right now, one of them is way worse than the other
2016-12-02T18:51:02 < Laurenceb> mine have been pretty consistent
2016-12-02T18:51:12 < Laurenceb> the magnos are just grabbed from Honeywell
2016-12-02T18:51:21 < Laurenceb> its the same shit as in honeywell magnos
2016-12-02T18:51:25 < Kliment> dongs: The board has been reworked so if you say heat damage can cause offsets
2016-12-02T18:51:29 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-02T18:51:32 < dongs> it does
2016-12-02T18:51:39 < dongs> its probly fucked then
2016-12-02T18:51:42 < Laurenceb> aha, problem explained
2016-12-02T18:51:42 < Kliment> dongs: I'll try with this other one then
2016-12-02T18:51:45 < Laurenceb> lul 
2016-12-02T18:51:51 < Laurenceb> ITT: my soldering is the best
2016-12-02T18:52:07 < Kliment> dongs: But the region of the board where the device is has not been reworked at all
2016-12-02T18:52:23 < ReadErr> mags are super easy to fuck up
2016-12-02T18:52:26 < ReadErr> with heat
2016-12-02T18:52:39 < Kliment> Okay, good to know, will be careful if I have to rework any more of them
2016-12-02T18:53:05 < dongs> i'd say if thats the only board, and the only difference from others is that its been reworked, thats probly why.
2016-12-02T18:53:15 < Kliment> dongs: both have been reworked
2016-12-02T18:53:39 < Kliment> dongs: I only have two in front of me, sent the other 8 to customer for testing
2016-12-02T18:53:50 < dongs> stop making shit boards then
2016-12-02T18:53:55 < dongs> NO! REWORK!
2016-12-02T18:54:01 < Kliment> dongs: So I can't test with a non-reworked one right now
2016-12-02T18:54:14 < Kliment> dongs: Hey, that's what protos are for
2016-12-02T18:54:25 < dongs> my protos get renamed from _rev0 to _prod
2016-12-02T18:54:54 < Kliment> I wish... requirements tend to change mid-project
2016-12-02T18:55:05 < Kliment> My average is 2 revs
2016-12-02T18:56:42 < Kliment> And yep, looks like the other board is good
2016-12-02T18:58:35 < dongs> ya i donno i'd say if its that bad, its fucked
2016-12-02T19:00:52 < Kliment> Well good to know it's thermal damage. I can deal with that
2016-12-02T19:01:12 < Laurenceb> I have lsm9ds1 on my horsey loggers
2016-12-02T19:01:20 < Laurenceb> works fine
2016-12-02T19:01:27 < Laurenceb> pita to solder
2016-12-02T19:01:27 < Kliment> I was worried they might all randomly have offsets in that range
2016-12-02T19:01:40 < Laurenceb> no
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2016-12-02T19:01:57 < Laurenceb> max ~25% full scale
2016-12-02T19:02:22 < Kliment> 25% fs is what i'm seeing
2016-12-02T19:02:43 < Laurenceb> how are you soldering?
2016-12-02T19:03:36 < dongs> he said reflwo
2016-12-02T19:04:04 < Laurenceb> muh oven
2016-12-02T19:06:47 < Kliment> Tmax 240
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2016-12-02T19:23:59 < jpa-> good evening swissman
2016-12-02T19:25:03 < Kliment> dongs: Yeah, the other one is perfectly fine, 500LSBs or so of offset
2016-12-02T19:25:32 < Kliment> dongs: I'll make a note to avoid hotair if any rework is needed in future
2016-12-02T19:25:48 < Laurenceb> I used hot air for all my boards
2016-12-02T19:25:56 < ReadErr> u r a hotair
2016-12-02T19:26:00 < Laurenceb> hot air at 230C with solder stencil
2016-12-02T19:26:27 < Laurenceb> this looks a fun read http://www.wlym.com/archive/fusion/book/1981ThermoBombBook.pdf
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2016-12-02T19:28:32 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Speaking of hot air
2016-12-02T19:28:50 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Have you ever read "sustainable energy without the hot air"?
2016-12-02T19:29:14 < Kliment> Laurenceb: It's easily the most sensible book on energy policy I've ever seen
2016-12-02T19:29:25 < Laurenceb> ah its free
2016-12-02T19:29:31 < Laurenceb> looks interesting, thanks
2016-12-02T19:30:09 < Kliment> It's a bit UK-centric but the dimensional analysis is what makes it great
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2016-12-02T19:51:05 < Laurenceb> anyone here use thunderbird email?
2016-12-02T19:51:24 < Laurenceb> I need to copy all messages from a disabled account :S
2016-12-02T19:51:51 < Kliment> Disabled how?
2016-12-02T19:53:53 < Laurenceb> dunno
2016-12-02T19:54:08 < Laurenceb> I right clicked disable account now everything has dissapeared
2016-12-02T19:54:10 < Laurenceb> I fail
2016-12-02T19:54:20 < Kliment> Ok, don't do anything
2016-12-02T19:54:30 < Laurenceb> can't have deleted everything as it would have taken ages
2016-12-02T19:55:05 < Kliment> Was it an IMAP account?
2016-12-02T19:55:12 < Kliment> If so, it should all still be on the server
2016-12-02T19:55:25 < Laurenceb> well I have no server access
2016-12-02T19:55:28 < Laurenceb> its an old account
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2016-12-02T19:56:05 < Kliment> Ok, make a backup of your profile directory right now before you do anything else
2016-12-02T19:56:18 < Laurenceb> where is the profile directory?
2016-12-02T19:56:28 < Laurenceb> ~/.thunderbird/k1f8l5xi.default/Mail/
2016-12-02T19:56:31 < Laurenceb>  ^ there?
2016-12-02T19:57:08 < Kliment> The whole .default
2016-12-02T19:57:08 < dongs> .....
2016-12-02T19:57:12 < dongs> ytoure using lunix???
2016-12-02T19:57:29 < Steffanx> bash on ubuntu on windows.
2016-12-02T19:57:53 < Laurenceb> ok copying...
2016-12-02T19:58:36 < Kliment> Laurenceb: In your copy, check whether the Mail and ImapMail directories have what you need
2016-12-02T20:00:28 < Kliment> Laurenceb: I hope you didn't click remove account, as that would delete everything (but it asks for confirmation before doing so)
2016-12-02T20:00:40 < Laurenceb> no only disable
2016-12-02T20:01:19 < Kliment> Where is that, I can't find it in the context menu at least
2016-12-02T20:01:39 < Laurenceb> oh wait no
2016-12-02T20:01:49 < Laurenceb> settings->account options->remove
2016-12-02T20:01:52 < Laurenceb> I did remove
2016-12-02T20:01:56 < dongs> ur fukt
2016-12-02T20:01:58 < dongs> thanks, lunix
2016-12-02T20:02:00 < Kliment> Ok, you're possibly screwed
2016-12-02T20:02:01 < Laurenceb> nope
2016-12-02T20:02:06 < Laurenceb> just found the emails
2016-12-02T20:02:15 < dongs> nice, 1070 out for delivery
2016-12-02T20:02:18 < dongs> bbl
2016-12-02T20:02:26 < Laurenceb> k1f8l5xi.default/ImapMail/imap4<blah>/INBOX
2016-12-02T20:02:30 < Laurenceb> its all there
2016-12-02T20:02:47 < Laurenceb> thanks for the help
2016-12-02T20:02:47 < Kliment> It might delete them from the profile folder when you close thunderbird. if so, restore from your backup
2016-12-02T20:03:05 < Laurenceb> yeah already backed up
2016-12-02T20:03:40 < Laurenceb> horrible format, need to load it back in somehow
2016-12-02T20:03:47 < Laurenceb> its a 19GB file lol
2016-12-02T20:03:52 < Kliment> It's just mbox format I think
2016-12-02T20:04:03 < Kliment> The standard archival format for email
2016-12-02T20:04:05 < Laurenceb> ok
2016-12-02T20:04:18 < Laurenceb> grep seems to work for finding stuff :P
2016-12-02T20:06:17 < dongs> 19gb in mbox format sounds like something only a lunix user would consider as totally OK
2016-12-02T20:06:30 < aandrew> maildir 4 lyfe
2016-12-02T20:06:41 < dongs> .PST 4 lyfe
2016-12-02T20:06:51 < dongs> outlook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any lunix mail client
2016-12-02T20:07:01 < Kliment> I've never seen a 19gb mailbox before
2016-12-02T20:07:29 < dongs> thats cuz your 386 probably swapped to death trying to index it
2016-12-02T20:07:29 < Kliment> outlook used to be pretty good
2016-12-02T20:07:42 < Kliment> But they cloudified it too much
2016-12-02T20:08:06 < Kliment> Same with the rest of Office
2016-12-02T20:08:26 < Kliment> Office 97 was the ultimate in get shit done, get out of the way
2016-12-02T20:10:37 < Kliment> I definitely feel more at home in 2016 thunderbird than 2016 outlook now, even as a recovering former outlook user
2016-12-02T20:12:27 < Laurenceb> its like 10 years of shit in a mailbox
2016-12-02T20:12:43 < Laurenceb> 99% work related spam
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2016-12-02T20:30:00 < BrainDamage> you can convert to maildir format btw
2016-12-02T20:30:13 < BrainDamage> and it won't be as slow
2016-12-02T20:30:27 < BrainDamage> how many hours does it take to populat the mail list?
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2016-12-02T20:35:06 < Kliment> BrainDamage: I met an Italian dude two days ago, at a local market
2016-12-02T20:35:28 < Kliment> BrainDamage: He suffered through my horrible Italian, I ended up buying 45€ worth of cheese
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2016-12-02T21:00:55 < beanbag-> https://github.com/dword1511/stm32-vserprog/blob/master/README.md
2016-12-02T21:01:15 < beanbag-> still want to make one of thoe for programming parallel nor legacy flash
2016-12-02T21:01:31 < beanbag-> since they have enough i/o 5v to do it without a board full of glue logic
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2016-12-02T21:15:36 < ReadErr> Yall seen the xaomi mi box?
2016-12-02T21:15:50 < ReadErr> Seems neat
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2016-12-02T21:41:08 < beanbag-> bah wont' do parallel flash
2016-12-02T21:47:33 < kakimir> bah
2016-12-02T21:47:43 < beanbag-> yeah kinda blows the point
2016-12-02T21:47:57 < beanbag-> cause who cares about i2c, spi, etc you can bit bang those with almosty anything
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2016-12-02T21:53:58 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ea7_1480698387
2016-12-02T21:57:30 < ReadErr> british people are so polite rude
2016-12-02T21:59:30 < qyx> I can't find any sane and nicely looking 1.27mm shrouded headers :S
2016-12-02T22:00:28 < qyx> and 2.54mm feels like arduino
2016-12-02T22:01:07 < kakimir> 2.00mm too big?
2016-12-02T22:02:30 < qyx> 2.00 is both big and unavailable/not standard
2016-12-02T22:02:54 < Kliment> qyx: https://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=1175-1627-ND
2016-12-02T22:04:39 < Kliment> qyx: They're annoying to route though
2016-12-02T22:05:27 < Kliment> qyx: Same in RA https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cnc-tech/3220-10-0200-00/1175-1628-ND/3882943
2016-12-02T22:05:41 < qyx> those harting har-flex look good https://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?FV=ffec9030,fff40016,fff802f3
2016-12-02T22:05:50 < qyx> so far the best I've seen
2016-12-02T22:06:45 < Kliment> yeah, they're decent but they are extremely tall and expensive
2016-12-02T22:07:08 < Kliment> the cnc tech ones are great for the cost
2016-12-02T22:07:12 < qyx> 8mm stacking height is what I require
2016-12-02T22:07:22 < Kliment> Oh i see
2016-12-02T22:07:27 < Kliment> Never mind then
2016-12-02T22:07:37 < qyx> 2.54 headers are ok for that
2016-12-02T22:08:06 < Kliment> I was thinking wire to board
2016-12-02T22:08:14 < qyx> but I am trying to find something more common than those hartings
2016-12-02T22:08:35 < Kliment> Checked the molex catalog?
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2016-12-02T22:17:49 < Kliment> If I have a pin change interrupt coming in on a non-wkup pin, how deep a sleep mode can I use on the F0 and still be woken by the interrupt?
2016-12-02T22:18:20  * [7] is 90% confident that he is seeing some kind of SPI core hardware bug here
2016-12-02T22:19:04 < [7]> if I send a byte, and it actually clocks out whatever I sent 2 bytes earlier, unless I assert its APB reset line before, do you have any other explanation for that?
2016-12-02T22:19:05 < qyx> iirc all except standby
2016-12-02T22:19:33 < [7]> Kliment: everything that keeps the 1.8V domain powered, so all except standby, yes
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2016-12-02T22:26:23 < [7]> IMO that SPI behavior is clearly violating the specification
2016-12-02T22:26:38 < [7]> it only seems to happen if I use packet 16bit writes
2016-12-02T22:26:46 < [7]> packed*
2016-12-02T22:27:09 < [7]> and only if some other code is running on the ARM, which I can't see any correlation with, but it somehow seems to have an influence
2016-12-02T22:27:23 < [7]> this is all the way weird and took 3 days to figure out
2016-12-02T22:27:46 < [7]> I'm just going to avoid transfer packing for now, which seems to work around it
2016-12-02T22:33:40 < beanbag-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nuSvMjdXAw
2016-12-02T22:34:08 < Steffanx> This video is not available.
2016-12-02T22:34:33 < kakimir> beanbag-: I'm disapointed now
2016-12-02T22:35:30 < beanbag-> YEAH i SAw that now sorry
2016-12-02T22:35:39 < beanbag-> didn't know they had region lock
2016-12-02T22:35:42 < beanbag-> BMCC youtube
2016-12-02T22:36:07 < kakimir> now say it was really good video
2016-12-02T22:36:47 < beanbag-> it was
2016-12-02T22:36:49 < beanbag-> well no video
2016-12-02T22:36:53 < beanbag-> just music
2016-12-02T22:37:48 < beanbag-> try https://myspace.com/axiotronic/music/song/side-fx-50329503-54216942
2016-12-02T22:38:51 < Steffanx> myspace.. is it real?
2016-12-02T22:42:01 < kakimir> install adobe flash
2016-12-02T22:42:07 < kakimir> nah
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2016-12-02T22:43:46 < [7]> the myspace link tries to load the same unavailable youtube video
2016-12-02T22:43:54 < [7]> which not even proxflow manages to unblock
2016-12-02T22:44:10 < beanbag-> trying to find another site sorry
2016-12-02T22:44:51 < kakimir> just youtube-dl and cloud it
2016-12-02T22:47:18 < [7]> speaking of youtube-dl: https://paste.ee/r/c4SlF
2016-12-02T22:48:00 < [7]> I really need to end that cat and mouse with obfuscated variable names changing once and for all though
2016-12-02T22:49:12 < [7]> build something that scans the object and auto-detects where the relevant info is
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2016-12-03T00:04:17 < jadew> I got this today: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1XxQrLpXXXXboaXXXq6xXFXXXD/Universal-Google-Cardboard-VR-BOX-2-Virtual-Reality-3D-Glasses-Game-Movie-3D-Glass-For-iPhone.jpg
2016-12-03T00:04:53 < jadew> not blown away
2016-12-03T00:05:08 < BrainDamage> congratulations, you just bought autism in tangible form
2016-12-03T00:05:51 < BrainDamage> irony aside, all the problems of bad hw devices would just be exacerbated by using phones
2016-12-03T00:05:56 < jadew> part of the reason I'm not blown away is because my phone lags, it would probably be better on a nicer phone
2016-12-03T00:06:02 < BrainDamage> bad sensors, latency, refresh rate, etc
2016-12-03T00:06:05 < BrainDamage> nope
2016-12-03T00:06:17 < BrainDamage> even the best phone would still give you motion sickness
2016-12-03T00:06:47 < jadew> I'm sure, but compared to how bad it's with my phone, I'm sure others would do much better
2016-12-03T00:06:52 < jadew> also the resolution on mine sucks
2016-12-03T00:07:00 < jadew> and it's smaller than the visible area
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2016-12-03T00:07:29 < jadew> now I'm really curious how the vive is compared to this
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2016-12-03T00:10:11 < jadew> anyway, I'm off to bed, I'll try it with an iphone 6 tomorrow
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2016-12-03T00:41:28 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-12-03T00:41:39  * Laurenceb_ just got a christmas card from his landlord
2016-12-03T00:41:56 < Laurenceb_> it has some ben garrison based /pol/ memes inside
2016-12-03T00:42:28 < Laurenceb_> now I know who the hacker anonymous is
2016-12-03T00:42:58 < BrainDamage> you know, it would be more beliveable if not everyone around you was a cuk/4channer/sjw
2016-12-03T00:43:23 < Laurenceb_> I live in a real life memeworld
2016-12-03T00:43:39 < Laurenceb_> there is a cuck shed at the back of my house (ya really)
2016-12-03T00:44:20 < Laurenceb_> neighbours are cucks, found them on adultfriendfinder and hearing cucking in the shed
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2016-12-03T00:50:30 < Laurenceb_> looks like a job for some of my "hard"ware
2016-12-03T00:50:33 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38170324
2016-12-03T00:51:24 < Laurenceb_> http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/4356/production/_92783271_img_1887.jpg
2016-12-03T00:51:29 < Laurenceb_> looks arduino tier
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2016-12-03T01:08:13 < Kliment> Woohoo, power consumption down to 2mA - with radio
2016-12-03T01:09:35 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Well, it's a closed plastic enclosure, can't have much
2016-12-03T01:13:52 < Laurenceb_> Kliment: what radio, and what are you building?
2016-12-03T01:14:31 < Kliment> Laurenceb_: BLE-attached sensor, with an F0
2016-12-03T01:15:03 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Because it cannot determine the size of the instance
2016-12-03T01:15:49 < Laurenceb_> Kliment: ah, sounds easy :P
2016-12-03T01:16:08  * Laurenceb_ was trying to build something to send 300kbps over a few km
2016-12-03T01:18:17 < Laurenceb_> I was limited by the available ism spectrum
2016-12-03T01:18:31 < Laurenceb_> but nvm, project finished now :P
2016-12-03T01:18:38 < Laurenceb_> had to make do with lame bluetooth
2016-12-03T01:19:11 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I think the template magic needs to know instance size
2016-12-03T01:19:18 < Laurenceb_> that part of the requirements had to be dropped
2016-12-03T01:19:44 < Laurenceb_> I was going to use spirit1 modules, but the firmware needs rewriting for it to be usable
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2016-12-03T01:23:02 < Laurenceb_> I keep saying I'll write functional spirit1 module code.. one day I'll do it
2016-12-03T01:24:43 < BrainDamage> someone made you pregnant?
2016-12-03T01:26:24 < BrainDamage> you can?
2016-12-03T01:26:42 < BrainDamage> nobody forces you to use all the features
2016-12-03T01:26:42 < Laurenceb_> you misoganerd
2016-12-03T01:26:56 < BrainDamage> moreover 20 years ago you wouldn't use as many third party libs
2016-12-03T01:27:10  * Laurenceb_ has been reading too much Laurie Penny
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2016-12-03T01:29:50 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/FluidRealisticGroundbeetle
2016-12-03T01:37:30 < BrainDamage> ho migliorato i correlatori ulteriormente, abbiamo guadagnato altri 12dB di SNR sul caso di AJ https://imgur.com/a/mUR9m
2016-12-03T01:37:36 < BrainDamage> fuuck, wrong channel
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2016-12-03T01:59:01 < KreAture_> wee my mew stm boards came
2016-12-03T01:59:03 < KreAture_> (some of em)
2016-12-03T01:59:06 < KreAture_> http://thumbs2.picclick.com/d/l400/pict/142124645773_/Core407V-STM32F407VET6-STM32-Cortex-M4-Development-Board-Mainboard-Module.jpg
2016-12-03T02:04:32 < Thorn> how do I do wireless audio distribution, range 100m, outdoor, to 8 speakers (4 left channel and 4 right)
2016-12-03T02:04:42 < Thorn> I'm looking at esp8266, is it a bad idea
2016-12-03T02:05:58 < BrainDamage> are the speakers physically clustered together?
2016-12-03T02:06:12 < Thorn> my understanding it's 8 separate receivers
2016-12-03T02:06:14 < BrainDamage> if not you'll need to add per receiver configurable latency compensation
2016-12-03T02:06:32 < Thorn> yeah syncing that shit is going to be non-trivial
2016-12-03T02:08:37 < Thorn> data rate works out to 176 kbytes/second (both channels)
2016-12-03T02:08:55 < Thorn> with 44.1kHz and 16 bits
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2016-12-03T03:00:24 < Laurenceb_> wtf sounds like unimaginative junk
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2016-12-03T03:34:44 < upgrdman> anyone know if a shop vac tube would be usable for a tesla coil tube?
2016-12-03T03:34:59 < upgrdman> or do i need to use some super-insulator to wrap the coils around
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2016-12-03T03:41:38 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M18InBKPBVA Live drawing of the Altium Desiern licenses
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2016-12-03T03:42:22 < ReadErr> lol
2016-12-03T03:42:28 < ReadErr> gj DAVE
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2016-12-03T03:48:34 < stvn> mickey mouse
2016-12-03T03:49:18 < stvn> what are you flapping on about LeelooMinai 
2016-12-03T03:49:52 < stvn> fuck that shit
2016-12-03T03:50:36 < stvn> dave stretching his anus with beer bottles obviously 
2016-12-03T03:52:07 < stvn> yeah use c++
2016-12-03T03:52:10 < stvn> it's the best
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2016-12-03T03:53:45 < stvn> python is the future of stm32 dev
2016-12-03T03:56:48 < ReadErr> stvn: show the dave vid
2016-12-03T03:56:57 < stvn> dave lost his thumb when his trans wife's vagina bit it off
2016-12-03T03:57:03 < ReadErr> i thought i was listening to dave when i first clicked it
2016-12-03T03:57:27 < ReadErr> wat lost his thumb?
2016-12-03T03:58:18 < stvn> yeah he has a mangled thumb
2016-12-03T04:00:02 < stvn> 3 0 0
2016-12-03T04:01:06 < stvn> 0 .3 0
2016-12-03T04:01:57 < stvn> that was the only window i had open so i had to write some measurements
2016-12-03T04:06:54 < stvn> rohm can suck my off
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2016-12-03T04:09:09 < ReadErr> when did that happen
2016-12-03T04:10:01 < stvn> wut
2016-12-03T04:10:20 < ReadErr> thumb pussy incident 
2016-12-03T04:10:38 < stvn> yesterday i think
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2016-12-03T05:22:33 < englishman> stvn im about to take lil dongs outside in the snow
2016-12-03T05:22:41 < englishman> should i record [yes] [yes]
2016-12-03T05:23:02 < stvn> yr
2016-12-03T05:23:07 < stvn> yes
2016-12-03T05:23:21 < englishman> good choice
2016-12-03T05:23:48 < stvn> i like fixing
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2016-12-03T06:02:33 < dongs> why teh fuck do people host shit on sourceforge in 2016
2016-12-03T06:04:08 < aandrew> dongs: I have no idea, I inherently distrust everything on sourceforge
2016-12-03T06:04:22 < dongs> yeah its not ev en about that  thier interfaec is jusjt disgusting
2016-12-03T06:04:28 < aandrew> yep
2016-12-03T06:04:40 < aandrew> they got bought a long while back and that's when it went to shit
2016-12-03T06:04:46 < dongs> doesnt matter if youre downloading or browsing code or their wiki or whatever it sust a ll aids
2016-12-03T06:05:33 < aandrew> yep totally agreed
2016-12-03T06:32:27 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb4nfrgKT6Y
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2016-12-03T07:03:49 < dongs> cool
2016-12-03T07:16:26 < dongs> you will be a hero if you get rid of DVI
2016-12-03T07:19:09 < dongs> heh
2016-12-03T07:19:36 < englishman> i would leave immediately
2016-12-03T07:20:07 < englishman> oh those
2016-12-03T07:20:13 < englishman> well they have more than a couple
2016-12-03T07:20:23 < englishman> should have called it gtx4k
2016-12-03T07:21:25 < englishman> yeah but starting wage is like 300k right
2016-12-03T07:21:26 < englishman> so who cares
2016-12-03T07:21:44 < englishman> liek im sure malaysians are complaining about hte price of houses in delaware
2016-12-03T07:21:46 < englishman> its all relative
2016-12-03T07:21:53 < englishman> wtf
2016-12-03T07:21:56 < englishman> why would you go then
2016-12-03T07:22:11 < englishman> theres a million other people making 300k
2016-12-03T07:22:12 < englishman> or more
2016-12-03T07:22:36 < englishman> all drinking kombucha while contractors in bangladesh do the work
2016-12-03T07:22:53 < englishman> then just fixing php bugs and thinking about their next boat
2016-12-03T07:23:10 < englishman> right so why bother
2016-12-03T07:23:22 < englishman> unless making a living wage
2016-12-03T07:23:49 < englishman> how long is the bus ride
2016-12-03T07:23:52 < englishman> to work
2016-12-03T07:24:01 < englishman> at sub300k job
2016-12-03T07:27:33 < upgrdman> anyone know of 3-5" LCDs that are high quality (IPS or similar) but usable with an mcu?
2016-12-03T07:27:33 < dongs> are you talking to leelooman
2016-12-03T07:27:41 < dongs> englishman does
2016-12-03T07:27:58 < englishman> no hes talking to himself as usual
2016-12-03T07:28:20 < englishman> are there 3-5" lcds that arent mcu-interfaceable?
2016-12-03T07:28:32 < dongs> well
2016-12-03T07:28:35 < dongs> 24bit rgb
2016-12-03T07:28:37 < upgrdman> englishman, well i mean, IPS but mcu usable
2016-12-03T07:28:37 < englishman> besides cellphone shit
2016-12-03T07:28:40 < dongs> is not eaxctly "mcu interceable
2016-12-03T07:28:54 < englishman> ips i dono
2016-12-03T07:29:13 < upgrdman> what do the nice phone LCDs use? MIPI?
2016-12-03T07:29:23 < dongs> R2COM: altium 17 of course
2016-12-03T07:29:29 < dongs> upgrdman: yea mipi now on all
2016-12-03T07:29:31 < upgrdman> wonder if they make any lcd controller ICs that'll work with smartphone LCDs
2016-12-03T07:29:46 < dongs> there's rgb to mipi
2016-12-03T07:29:47 < upgrdman> or if i should go full retard and try to make my own with fpga
2016-12-03T07:30:02 < dongs> and you can use some SSDwhatever shit to go spi/whatever ->rgb
2016-12-03T07:30:37 < dongs> mipi
2016-12-03T07:30:49 < dongs> because its like 4 wires instead of 30?
2016-12-03T07:30:52 < englishman> upgrdman what are you trying to do that cant be done with 0.96" oled
2016-12-03T07:30:57 < dongs> ^
2016-12-03T07:31:08 < upgrdman> englishman, i want 4" ish LCD with excellent viewing angles
2016-12-03T07:31:14 < dongs> why
2016-12-03T07:31:15 < upgrdman> OLED would be nice
2016-12-03T07:31:21 < upgrdman> but cant find em big
2016-12-03T07:31:27 < upgrdman> dongs, general fuckery
2016-12-03T07:31:33 < upgrdman> i dont like small LCDs
2016-12-03T07:32:25 < dongs> R2COM: because arduino doesn support it
2016-12-03T07:33:00 < dongs> call to LG/sharp and order 100k
2016-12-03T07:37:28 < englishman> tft
2016-12-03T07:38:35 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, that first one is mipi dsi only
2016-12-03T07:38:56 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, and the second is too small
2016-12-03T07:39:08 < englishman> whats wrong with mipi-dsi
2016-12-03T07:39:18 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, if im going to use mipi, i can use ~any cheap phone lcd then
2016-12-03T07:39:20 < englishman> doesnt f4 trash support that
2016-12-03T07:39:33 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, that second one is 2.83"
2016-12-03T07:39:56 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-12-03T07:39:59 < englishman> yeah wats the problem
2016-12-03T07:40:13 < upgrdman> fuck it, i should buy that f4disco with onboard lcd
2016-12-03T07:40:17 < upgrdman> the mipi lcd
2016-12-03T07:40:59 < englishman> hey its 4"
2016-12-03T07:41:19 < upgrdman> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits/32f469idiscovery.html
2016-12-03T07:41:53 < upgrdman> dongs, you see the disco i linked? is lcd nice? (viewing angles)
2016-12-03T07:42:04 < upgrdman> see as in, in-person
2016-12-03T07:42:07 < dongs> F7?
2016-12-03T07:42:15 < dongs> oh that f429 disco?
2016-12-03T07:42:17 < dongs> no the lcd there is awful
2016-12-03T07:42:27 < dongs> oh wtf
2016-12-03T07:42:29 < dongs> thats not hte one i thought
2016-12-03T07:42:31 < dongs> i donno if i have that one
2016-12-03T07:43:45 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-03T07:44:07 < upgrdman> in stm video is looks decent, but they only show face on angle
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2016-12-03T07:51:44 < dongs> kinda wish ST would fuck off wiht adding arduino headers on theri shit
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2016-12-03T08:01:45 < dongs> importing stm32flash into keil has been prety succesful so far
2016-12-03T08:01:54 < dongs> looks like I only need to implement serial write/read stuff
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2016-12-03T08:40:15 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblJT5KSjAw
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2016-12-03T08:56:35 < ohsix> sup my nonbinary friends
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2016-12-03T09:35:55 < stvn> wtf are you on about LeelooMinai 
2016-12-03T09:37:07 < dongs> i'm gonna guess: cocks
2016-12-03T09:37:54 < dongs> hm, it compiles.
2016-12-03T09:45:10 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/D8mCgAyq8cw?t=5m28s
2016-12-03T09:45:27 < englishman> cute kitten Thorn 
2016-12-03T09:47:32 < ohsix> what's new fellas
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2016-12-03T09:48:30 < ohsix> upgrdman: it would probably be fine, you can get pvc cheap tho
2016-12-03T09:48:59 < ohsix> ace hardware and diy shops can sell you it a foot at a time  & cut it
2016-12-03T09:52:04 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I just read a book the other day about a militia uprising
2016-12-03T09:52:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: black pigment is probably carbon
2016-12-03T09:52:28 < ohsix> that might end up mattering
2016-12-03T09:53:17 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: It's near-future cyborg scifi, and pretty damn good
2016-12-03T09:53:38 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: The author is selling them far below what they're worth too
2016-12-03T09:53:58 < Kliment> That I am
2016-12-03T09:54:08 < Kliment> I even have bookshelves
2016-12-03T09:55:17 < Kliment> Not much fiction on them though, mostly math, language and historical weaponry books
2016-12-03T09:55:47 < Kliment> I find it extremely difficult to work with digital math books, not sure why
2016-12-03T10:03:07 < ReadErr> anyone follow the tv arduino scene?
2016-12-03T10:03:13 < ReadErr> android***
2016-12-03T10:03:30 < ReadErr> wondering about this xiaomi mi box i saw today
2016-12-03T10:03:48 < ReadErr> same price as chromecast ultra and both do 4k+hdr
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2016-12-03T10:06:37 < ReadErr> Output Resolution: Up to 4K 60fps
2016-12-03T10:06:37 < ReadErr> Processor: Quad-core Cortex-A53 2.0GHz
2016-12-03T10:06:37 < ReadErr> GPU: Mali 450 750MHz
2016-12-03T10:06:37 < ReadErr> RAM: 2GB DDR3
2016-12-03T10:06:55 < ReadErr> I duno how this is in android world 
2016-12-03T10:08:16 < dongs> assdroid tv is fucking garbage
2016-12-03T10:08:23 < dongs> just dont
2016-12-03T10:08:52 < dongs> and lunix versions dont have hardware acceleration
2016-12-03T10:09:09 < stvn> completely dogged
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2016-12-03T10:10:33 < ReadErr> it has casting support 
2016-12-03T10:10:45 < ReadErr> duno the specs on the chromecast ultra
2016-12-03T10:11:07 < ReadErr> but it claims 4k@60 which is all id need 
2016-12-03T10:11:14 < ohsix> FOR NOW
2016-12-03T10:11:24 < ohsix> does it do deep dixels
2016-12-03T10:11:42 < ReadErr> VP9 Profile-2 up to 4K x 2K @ 60fps
2016-12-03T10:11:42 < ReadErr> H.265 HEVC MP-10 at L5.1, up to 4K x 2K at 60fps
2016-12-03T10:11:45 < ohsix> you can get the soc decoding specs from the part number
2016-12-03T10:11:50 < ReadErr> I duno wtf this shit is
2016-12-03T10:12:09 < stvn> some shit
2016-12-03T10:12:19 < dongs> what the shitfuck is "casting"
2016-12-03T10:12:24 < dongs> none of those shit will play your pirated media
2016-12-03T10:12:27 < ReadErr> 'chromecast'
2016-12-03T10:12:29 < ohsix> putting your butt on stuff
2016-12-03T10:12:52 < dongs> do you really need to spend $30 to watch jewtube on tv?
2016-12-03T10:12:57 < ohsix> ReadErr: basically everyone uses kodi
2016-12-03T10:13:16 < ohsix> dongs probably missed that you bought that tv
2016-12-03T10:13:48 < ReadErr> well the vlc->cast 
2016-12-03T10:13:56 < ReadErr> is coo
2016-12-03T10:14:01 < dongs> ???
2016-12-03T10:14:03 < ReadErr> or thats what I would want anyways
2016-12-03T10:14:09 < ReadErr> http://www.howtogeek.com/269272/how-to-stream-from-vlc-to-your-chromecast/
2016-12-03T10:14:20 < ohsix> step one, transcode
2016-12-03T10:14:56 < ohsix> it is handy to have, but as primary interaction for video/media/tv you store instead of stream, it blows
2016-12-03T10:15:35 < ohsix> huh
2016-12-03T10:16:05 < ohsix> just noticed they showed kenny's grave in new season of sp, and he's in the title, but not in any of the episodes
2016-12-03T10:16:21 < ohsix> how did they not have a poor white guy angle this season
2016-12-03T10:16:41 < ohsix> oh huhuhu they're in the crowd in front of the police station
2016-12-03T10:16:53 < ReadErr> pretty foreshadowing 
2016-12-03T10:16:59 < ReadErr> mr slave
2016-12-03T10:18:00 < ohsix> time has been weird lately
2016-12-03T10:18:16 < ohsix> i expect it to have been 45 minutes, it's been 9
2016-12-03T10:18:27 < ohsix> doing stuff is messing with me
2016-12-03T10:18:44 < ReadErr>  45 minutes?
2016-12-03T10:18:59 < ohsix> ya i forgot to do something
2016-12-03T10:22:23 < ohsix> geralds pleading that it is funny is nice
2016-12-03T10:23:54 < ohsix> lul mr slave
2016-12-03T10:24:39 < ohsix> so is mr slave ~ anyone on twitter, or says he has small hands
2016-12-03T10:25:33 < Thorn> ok so apparently you can use i2S to drive the ws2812 protocol
2016-12-03T10:25:56 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/bitcoin_txt/status/804933515682910208
2016-12-03T10:26:02 < ohsix> Thorn: yuh
2016-12-03T10:26:54 < ohsix> spi too
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2016-12-03T10:30:06 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/nntsn/status/804634299635007488
2016-12-03T10:31:01 < dongs> how so? wouldnt it be same as using SPI then
2016-12-03T10:31:06 < dongs> but it wont be eactly accurate
2016-12-03T10:31:15 < dongs> well, i guess I2S you have more control over prescalers?
2016-12-03T10:32:37 < ohsix> upgrdman: have you considered using protobuf for binary logging junk
2016-12-03T10:32:58 < ohsix> https://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/nanopb/
2016-12-03T10:33:31 < ohsix> was just thinking, i need to rapid protoboner some shit to show someone, that something, won't work, and serial is already slow
2016-12-03T10:34:25 < ohsix> you could probably just use <char>,<char> lul
2016-12-03T10:34:44 < ohsix> like, the 2^8 value instead of an ascii character
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2016-12-03T10:55:16 < Kliment> dongs: i2s uses different clock timings, multiples of the common audio frequencies
2016-12-03T10:55:41 < Kliment> dongs: One of those happens to be a good match
2016-12-03T10:56:01 < Kliment> dongs: no reason you can't do the same with a cleverly constructed PLL setup though
2016-12-03T10:56:01 < dongs> yeah, i gathered that much
2016-12-03T10:56:27 < Kliment> dongs: But at least on the F4s with builtin i2s there's a separate PLL for audio stuff
2016-12-03T10:56:40 < Kliment> dongs: So it just makes life easier
2016-12-03T10:58:01 < Thorn> what the fuck is Xtensa
2016-12-03T10:58:10 < dongs> its that dumb ESP1488 core
2016-12-03T10:58:23 < Thorn> I thought that shit had cortex in it
2016-12-03T10:58:27 < dongs> fuck no
2016-12-03T10:58:34 < dongs> its some bullshit that not even any normal compiler supports
2016-12-03T10:58:37 < Thorn> what the fuck
2016-12-03T10:58:37 < dongs> you need some hacked gcc
2016-12-03T10:58:48 < Kliment> Thorn: It's a parametric core where customers can add their own instructions
2016-12-03T10:58:59 < Kliment> Thorn: A bit like an FPGA, but baked into the core
2016-12-03T10:59:23 < dongs> only if those custoemrs feel like writing thier own compiler
2016-12-03T10:59:25 < dongs> to take advantage of it.
2016-12-03T10:59:28 < dongs> hm what the fuck
2016-12-03T10:59:35 < dongs> i have a normal pfet gating power like I've used 100s of times before
2016-12-03T10:59:37 < Kliment> Tensilica has a compiler generator
2016-12-03T10:59:43 < dongs> but this time whenever i toggle it, STM32 resets
2016-12-03T10:59:49 < Kliment> That builds a gcc patch automagically
2016-12-03T10:59:59 < dongs> does it build visual studio patch automatically?
2016-12-03T11:00:17 < Kliment> dongs: I actually have no idea. It's all under heavy NDA
2016-12-03T11:00:31 < dongs> sounds like a boring garbage core
2016-12-03T11:00:33 < Kliment> dongs: So i don't know what the tools actually look like, as I'm not a tensilica customer
2016-12-03T11:01:53 < Kliment> It's not boring if you want to get DSP stuff into a core without the power usage and cost of a real DSP
2016-12-03T11:02:44 < Kliment> But it's certainly not as convenient to work with as a standard core
2016-12-03T11:07:37 < Thorn> maybe I should look into e.g. CC3200 instead
2016-12-03T11:07:43 < dongs> what are you trying to do
2016-12-03T11:07:53 < dongs> esp1488 is almost never an answer to a question
2016-12-03T11:08:01 < dongs> unless your question involves :MAKER: or :TARDUINO:
2016-12-03T11:08:09 < Thorn> <Thorn> how do I do wireless audio distribution, range 100m, outdoor, to 8 speakers (4 left channel and 4 right)
2016-12-03T11:10:03 < dongs> cant you just buy someshit from amazon
2016-12-03T11:10:09 < dongs> or how much $ do you have for R&D?
2016-12-03T11:11:02 < Kliment> Thorn: I'd recommend the nRF series for that sort of application
2016-12-03T11:11:18 < dongs> what no.
2016-12-03T11:11:24 < dongs> i'd recommend a fucking $5 chinese A/V transmitter
2016-12-03T11:11:39 < dongs> and just send the A part.
2016-12-03T11:11:41 < upgrdman> ohsix, skimmed that protobuf page, not sure why its useful?
2016-12-03T11:11:53 < dongs> upgrdman: because python, im sure
2016-12-03T11:12:15 < Kliment> dongs: Which is great until you consider immunity
2016-12-03T11:12:25 < dongs> Kliment: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
2016-12-03T11:12:28 < dongs> Kliment: are you ohsix pal?
2016-12-03T11:12:38 < dongs> you always bring up the most irrelevant shit
2016-12-03T11:12:48 < dongs> did he specify it had to be robust against anything
2016-12-03T11:12:57 < dongs> based on his previous chats I'm gonna guess he has maybe $50 total to spend on it
2016-12-03T11:13:07 < Kliment> Oh, I was missing that bit of context
2016-12-03T11:13:08 < dongs> so that doesn't sound like much of  R&D budget
2016-12-03T11:13:19 < dongs> and I don't see how youre gonna be sending analog audio over "nRF series"
2016-12-03T11:13:31 < dongs> i'd just use some chink AV sender or fuck, even one of those wireless mic things
2016-12-03T11:13:39 < dongs> over 433mhz or wahtever
2016-12-03T11:13:46 < dongs> they have enough channels to probably negro something up that would work
2016-12-03T11:13:46 < upgrdman> ohsix, but the plan (and working but unclean implementation) is to let the user specify the binary packet info line: byte0 = sync word, then starting at byte 1 = uint16 little-endian, then starting at byte 3 = float32 little-endian, then starting at byte 7 = uint16 checksum little-endian ... etc
2016-12-03T11:13:58 < dongs> for cheap
2016-12-03T11:14:13 < upgrdman> s/line/like
2016-12-03T11:15:23 < dongs> you should use nanopb then you can ask jpa- / karlp for help
2016-12-03T11:15:59 < Thorn> dongs: do these transmitters do point to multipoint?
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2016-12-03T11:16:26 < Kliment> Thorn: They generally just broadcast all over the place and anything in range can pick up
2016-12-03T11:16:30 < dongs> thorn, the chink AV shit certainly does, you can pick a channel and tune in as many receives as you want into them
2016-12-03T11:16:46 < dongs> since its all analog shit anyway
2016-12-03T11:16:48 < Kliment> Thorn: But prepare to hear every garage door opener in the street
2016-12-03T11:17:51 < dongs> he doesnt care
2016-12-03T11:19:11 < ohsix> upgrdman: right
2016-12-03T11:19:35 < Thorn> afaik this is for an outdoor PA system, I doubt they will appreciate interference
2016-12-03T11:19:40 < Thorn> are they actually analog?
2016-12-03T11:19:42 < ohsix> olol i forgot about my meetup junk that was funny
2016-12-03T11:19:47 < dongs> of course analog
2016-12-03T11:19:49 < Thorn> in a ISM band?
2016-12-03T11:19:52 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-03T11:19:55 < Thorn> with DSSS and shit?
2016-12-03T11:19:59 < ohsix> one guy had a successful kickstarter for a rubens tube bluetooth speaker
2016-12-03T11:20:01 < Kliment> haha no
2016-12-03T11:20:08 < dongs> no man just straight fucking analog
2016-12-03T11:20:18 < Thorn> I mean with other stations using DSSS
2016-12-03T11:20:19 < ohsix> the other guy was talking a bout a grant he might be getting, he taught biology at some point
2016-12-03T11:20:21 < Kliment> Thorn: It's just a crystal and a transistor
2016-12-03T11:20:58 < Kliment> Thorn: Literally just modulates the carrier coming off the crystal with your input signal
2016-12-03T11:21:03 < ohsix> he was talking with another dude about a prototype he made for eletrophoresis stuff, agarose gel machines
2016-12-03T11:21:48 < ohsix> i didn't get to hear all of the talks but we talked about the rubens tube, it was kind of lul, the flames on those things are yellow and carbon heavy, and there's a carbon monoxide problem and stuff that are instant show stoppers
2016-12-03T11:22:15 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/firesideaudiobox/fireside-audiobox-light-your-music-on-fire this is the kickstarter
2016-12-03T11:23:10 < ohsix> it is kind of great the weird conversations you can have when you just have a bunch of nerds near eachother
2016-12-03T11:24:11 < Kliment> many years ago I got to hang out with some dudes selling electrostatic speakers for 5 digit sums per unit to "audiophiles"
2016-12-03T11:24:11 < ohsix> i guess his talk was about finding a chinese ODM
2016-12-03T11:24:53 < Kliment> Went with them on one of their installation runs
2016-12-03T11:26:11 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-03T11:26:15 < ohsix> i still want to make some of those
2016-12-03T11:27:21 < ohsix> loool look how crap  the real thing looks https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/013/460/367/c602f2b16a42e86a81d18be49d9e3ffe_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1471908855&auto=format&q=92&s=68ec05e3ae06edc0a2a18d91d4c12047
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2016-12-03T11:28:17 < ohsix> the fuel for that is going to be crazy lul
2016-12-03T11:28:25 < ohsix> people are not going to use it for more than a half hour
2016-12-03T11:28:34 < ohsix> they might not even be able to get any sort of safety cert
2016-12-03T11:29:10 < ohsix> oh, neat, uses regular propane cylinder
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2016-12-03T11:30:11 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/made-solid-medium-leather-wrapped-stone/4497177?cm_mmc=display_rt-_-Google-_-DCOtext-_-Unisex%3AHome%3AMiscellaneous_96959599&gclid=CLOw89H31dACFUtWDQodRT4CHg
2016-12-03T11:30:20 < ohsix> unisex
2016-12-03T11:30:34 < ohsix> haha that's kind of awesome
2016-12-03T11:30:44 < ohsix> do they have a male version, can't be down with something that PC
2016-12-03T11:32:00 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/jEwqcDo
2016-12-03T11:32:35 < upgrdman> those red things MOVs?
2016-12-03T11:34:58 < dongs> that thing is dead
2016-12-03T11:35:24 < ohsix> upgrdman: probably
2016-12-03T11:35:32 < ohsix> those blue caps are xy caps
2016-12-03T11:35:50 < ohsix> also you can see the schematic
2016-12-03T11:36:20 < Kliment> wat http://seclists.org/nanog/2016/Dec/29
2016-12-03T11:36:34 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/5URjJob.jpg
2016-12-03T11:38:04 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/wLgHo8B.gifv
2016-12-03T11:38:47 < ohsix> it's been a long time since i've been somewhere people are pasting nanog links :D
2016-12-03T11:39:00 < ohsix> when i was top cop on efnet!!11
2016-12-03T11:39:25 < ohsix> upgrdman: lolwut
2016-12-03T11:39:47 < ohsix> how did it even get to that point, i thoguht he was going to slide on the concrete
2016-12-03T11:39:50 < upgrdman> nanog?
2016-12-03T11:40:27 < ReadErr> l0dey read the dongs ignore
2016-12-03T11:40:54 < ReadErr> the one about the notice of public and private ingore
2016-12-03T11:41:02 < ReadErr> ignore**, I lost the alias ;(
2016-12-03T11:41:50 < ohsix> i got you bro
2016-12-03T11:41:55 < ohsix> upgrdman: north american network operators
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2016-12-03T11:42:37 < ohsix> hm or not, don't have alias either
2016-12-03T11:44:35 < ReadErr> my google aint coming up with anything either
2016-12-03T11:45:17 < ohsix> let me go back to 2007 and see if i still have it
2016-12-03T11:45:43 < upgrdman> phone area codes. lol, i didnt know some states only had ONE   http://i.imgur.com/9mewrTC.jpg
2016-12-03T11:45:51 < ReadErr> I could mirror the logged topic
2016-12-03T11:45:51 < upgrdman> have*
2016-12-03T11:45:53 < ReadErr> andgrep
2016-12-03T11:46:30 < ohsix> BitchX.away     BitchX.sav  achtung2.irc  ascii/             bans.irc   drones.dat   jack.scr     joinchans.bx  logger.bx  misc.irc  o_oper.bx  smooveb.scr
2016-12-03T11:46:30 < ohsix> BitchX.formats  RCS/        aolsay.irc    asciiartfarts.pl*  drone.irc  fattide.irc  jfalcon.irc  korsay.irc    m00.pl*    o_oper/   screens/   starman-rain.scr
2016-12-03T11:46:33 < ohsix> been a while bro
2016-12-03T11:47:03 < ohsix> @ :utb = 1028876400
2016-12-03T11:47:03 < ohsix> say I have been an oper for ${tdiff(${time() - utb})} \(${(time() - utb) / 31557600} years\)
2016-12-03T11:47:04 < ohsix> lul
2016-12-03T11:48:48 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i
2016-12-03T11:48:48 < ReadErr> won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2016-12-03T11:49:04 < ReadErr> foun't
2016-12-03T11:49:29 < ohsix> no idea
2016-12-03T11:49:31 < Thorn> Kliment: which nRF do you recommend?
2016-12-03T11:49:54 < ohsix> ReadErr: what's the whole thing?
2016-12-03T11:50:19 < ReadErr> thats it
2016-12-03T11:50:40 < upgrdman> so much lolwut   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7DzheCeuQ
2016-12-03T11:50:42 < Kliment> Thorn: The nRF52, and transmit I2S packets using ESB protocol
2016-12-03T11:50:48 < ohsix> don't think i've seen that one
2016-12-03T11:51:05 < Kliment> Thorn: ESB does p2mp
2016-12-03T11:51:12 < ReadErr> 2016-10-31T11:51:22 < jpa->  /ignore -regexp -pattern dongs LeelooMinai   hmm i guess this will fix it
2016-12-03T11:51:14 < ReadErr> lol
2016-12-03T11:51:36 < ohsix> hm i can't find my own copypasta
2016-12-03T11:52:20 < ohsix> /ignore -network freenode -channels ##stm32,##electronics -replies some*jackass@* all -msgs
2016-12-03T11:52:45 < ohsix> *!*@*
2016-12-03T11:52:46 < ohsix> slackin
2016-12-03T11:53:17 < ReadErr> gotta sew that seed
2016-12-03T11:53:45 < Thorn> Kliment: thanks
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2016-12-03T11:55:37 < Kliment> Thorn: A friend of mine has a cochlear implant that uses it :)
2016-12-03T11:56:33 < Kliment> Thorn: The cheaper nRFs can do ESB too but I 'm not sure if they have i2s
2016-12-03T11:56:45 < Kliment> Thorn: So browse through the product lineup
2016-12-03T11:58:22 < Kliment> Thorn: You'll probably want one with an external antenna for the kind of range you have in mind
2016-12-03T11:58:32 < Thorn> I need modules, probably with rf amps
2016-12-03T11:58:49 < Thorn> don't want to do rf design myself, no tools or experience
2016-12-03T11:58:55 < Kliment> Thorn: The chip antennas max out at 30m or so
2016-12-03T11:59:02 < Kliment> Yeah, they sell them as modules
2016-12-03T11:59:17 < Kliment> But some modules have an antenna connector and some have a chip or trace antenna
2016-12-03T11:59:37 < Thorn> got it, need external antenna
2016-12-03T11:59:37 < Kliment> Tx and Rx amps are intergrated
2016-12-03T11:59:44 < Kliment> integrated*
2016-12-03T11:59:45 < Thorn> good
2016-12-03T12:00:08 < Kliment> http://hallard.me/nrf24l01-real-life-range-test/
2016-12-03T12:00:48 < Kliment> The module at the bottom there has 100m open air range
2016-12-03T12:00:57 < Kliment> (they claim 1km but that's bullshit)
2016-12-03T12:01:14 < ohsix> speaking of goofs and gags
2016-12-03T12:02:10 < ohsix> that guy that has the laser cutter made a 'ring bell for service' button/sign, and we put magnets on it so we could stick it on the wall (which is metal, cuz most of the lab is a repurposed commercial fridge,) it doesn't do anything
2016-12-03T12:02:16 < ohsix> so far haven't seen anyone push it seriously
2016-12-03T12:03:32 < ohsix> also the guy that owns the building is a bit of a turd, he'll freak out when he sees it, thinking we've drilled a hole to install it
2016-12-03T12:03:55 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/gV3guco.jpg
2016-12-03T12:04:54 < Kliment> ohsix: That's when you pull it off the wall and throw it at him
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2016-12-03T12:06:25 < Kliment> Thorn: Here is a super super simple audio tx example code http://www.airspayce.com/mikem/arduino/RadioHead/nrf51_audio_tx_8pde-example.html
2016-12-03T12:06:53 < Kliment> (made with the horrible arduino setup for the nRFs, but meh)
2016-12-03T12:08:00 < ohsix> Kliment: it's made me want to make other anonymous buttons
2016-12-03T12:08:01 < Kliment> That just uses the onboard ADC to digitize an analog input
2016-12-03T12:08:04 < ohsix> that do silly things
2016-12-03T12:08:23 < ohsix> like, put a button in the woods, have an air horn like a hundred meters away
2016-12-03T12:08:25 < Kliment> I'd recommend a real codec chip with i2s instead
2016-12-03T12:08:39 < Kliment> But anyways
2016-12-03T12:08:45 < ohsix> people would press it because it is a button, then lool at how absurd it is
2016-12-03T12:09:24 < Thorn> I dunno about audio source yet. could be some DJ shit or simply a PC with audio player
2016-12-03T12:09:51 < Kliment> Thorn: http://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.nordic.infocenter.sdk5.v11.0.0%2Fesb_users_guide.html&cp=4_0_0_5_2 here's the ESB manual for the nRF5 series
2016-12-03T12:11:11 < Kliment> Thorn: You can also use gazell which gives you channel hopping and fifos for free
2016-12-03T12:11:39 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-03T12:11:52 < ohsix> does nordic have an open sores bluetooth stack
2016-12-03T12:12:43 < Kliment> ohsix: They have an on-chip stack with a documented API
2016-12-03T12:12:54 < Kliment> ohsix: But they don't publish the source of their stack
2016-12-03T12:17:18 < ohsix> http://gizmodo.com/i-don-t-get-the-vending-machine-thing-the-vending-mach-1789612386 lul
2016-12-03T12:17:23 < Thorn> what are pros and cons of a simple protocol vs. wi-fi
2016-12-03T12:18:07 < Kliment> Thorn: Biggest pro of a simple protocol is that you put data in, you get data out, you're done
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2016-12-03T12:18:23 < Kliment> Thorn: Biggest con is that you're limited in terms of throughput
2016-12-03T12:18:29 < ohsix> dat hype
2016-12-03T12:18:59 < Kliment> Thorn: with wifi, you need to set up a network, have an addressing scheme for devices, deal with an IP stack
2016-12-03T12:19:03 < ohsix> eh
2016-12-03T12:19:14 < Thorn> they may already have a wi-fi hotspot for customers there
2016-12-03T12:19:29 < ohsix> esb is shockburst? why would you use that on a bluetooth soc
2016-12-03T12:19:41 < Kliment> ohsix: Because of broadcast
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2016-12-03T12:21:46 < Kliment> ohsix: Gazell and ESB are nice for setting up a very low overhead point to multipoint network
2016-12-03T12:22:29 < Kliment> ohsix: And they have higher throughput than BLE at similar power usage, and way lower power usage and use complexity than full bluetooth at better range
2016-12-03T12:23:10 < Kliment> ohsix: Bluetooth and BLE are inherently point to point unless you count advertise-only devices
2016-12-03T12:24:02 < Kliment> And with BLE you can only send 20 bytes to one device every 7.5ms
2016-12-03T12:25:36 < ohsix> the question goes both ways, bluetooth isn't really implied
2016-12-03T12:25:56 < Kliment> With gazell or ESB, you can do 16b 44k audio with 8 slaves
2016-12-03T12:27:19 < Kliment> And I recommended the more powerful core because of builtin i2s
2016-12-03T12:36:59 < Kliment> If you don't need the i2s, the nRF51822 is absolutely sufficient
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2016-12-03T12:45:54 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CysLgEYUAAAHZz3.jpg
2016-12-03T12:47:34 < Steffanx>  /bart/##stm32/
2016-12-03T12:49:53 < Steffanx> but rules are to be broken :P
2016-12-03T12:50:23 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-03T12:50:45 < Steffanx> Hows the Hui doing ohsix? Did he stop lying yet?
2016-12-03T12:51:44 < ohsix> 'awaiting sellers action
2016-12-03T12:51:54 < ohsix> no response from last time yet
2016-12-03T12:52:11 < ohsix> i keep forgetting about ebay
2016-12-03T12:54:13 < Steffanx> As a real chinese ebayer he doesnt really read the messages anyway, just replies with standard crap.
2016-12-03T12:54:20 < ohsix> maybe
2016-12-03T12:54:48 < ohsix> that could explain not getting a third reply, they're out of plausible ones
2016-12-03T12:55:28 < ohsix> bluh got dum shit to do tomorrow
2016-12-03T12:55:45 < ohsix> better sleep, bbl
2016-12-03T12:57:05 < Steffanx> hah
2016-12-03T12:57:07 < Steffanx> Enjoy.
2016-12-03T12:59:57 < dongs> chinese ebayers are awesome
2016-12-03T13:00:05 < dongs> i bought some shit
2016-12-03T13:00:09 < dongs> did 'contact about item'
2016-12-03T13:00:18 < dongs> to make sure hte message would be about the shit i bought
2016-12-03T13:00:30 < dongs> he replies wiht some generic thing that was completely unrelated
2016-12-03T13:01:09 < stvn> []
2016-12-03T13:03:25 < Steffanx> :)
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2016-12-03T13:08:08 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/kiBRVOK.jpg
2016-12-03T13:11:35 < Laurenceb_> https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/09/24/17/abortion_4.jpg
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2016-12-03T13:24:33 < stvn> ~
2016-12-03T13:25:46 < stvn> hi pplz
2016-12-03T13:29:14 < TheSeven> Kliment: 705kbit/s via ESB? that seems like a stretch
2016-12-03T13:29:55 < TheSeven> *maybe* if it's 4 channels in each direction, to make use of ACK payloads, but certainly not 8 in one direction
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2016-12-03T13:36:51 < TheSeven> even with zero packet loss, 8 bit CRC and generally best-case timings at 2Mbit/s air data rate, maximum theoretical throughput is 581818 bits per second unidirectionally or 2x 450704 bits per second bidirectionally, if my calculations are right
2016-12-03T13:41:44 < stvn> lol
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2016-12-03T13:45:30 < stvn> Laurenceb_ mate
2016-12-03T13:45:31 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: lol
2016-12-03T13:46:36 < Spirit532> neat amp hour podcast
2016-12-03T13:46:37 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0l9JNtIjQs
2016-12-03T13:46:52 < Spirit532> talking about the kickstarted chronos camera
2016-12-03T13:47:41 < ReadErr> jesus fuck
2016-12-03T13:47:44 < ReadErr> an hour of dave jones
2016-12-03T13:47:47 < ReadErr> NOTHANKS
2016-12-03T13:49:00 < Spirit532> an hour of dave kronstein
2016-12-03T13:49:02 < Spirit532> yesthanks
2016-12-03T13:50:02 < ReadErr> oh its 2hrs
2016-12-03T13:50:04 < ReadErr> even worse
2016-12-03T13:50:12 < stvn> lol
2016-12-03T13:50:26 < ReadErr> have you ever head "you have a voice for radio"
2016-12-03T13:50:31 < ReadErr> dave is the opposite
2016-12-03T13:50:37 < ReadErr> he should become a mute
2016-12-03T13:50:52 < BrainDamage> it's not the tone, what i hate about his videos is the information content
2016-12-03T13:51:08 < ReadErr> its shrieking 
2016-12-03T13:51:12 < BrainDamage> 20 min to say something that could be said in 3
2016-12-03T13:54:00 < stvn> lol
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2016-12-03T14:11:04 < stvn> shh
2016-12-03T14:13:42 < Tectu> how can somebody work with embedded stuff if they don't know what a command line tool is and how to use a terminal?
2016-12-03T14:13:43 < Tectu> https://community.ugfx.io/topic/590-file2c-usage
2016-12-03T14:16:42 < stvn> I merged all your posts into one - please don't spam the forum. We are not going to reply faster if you make more posts.
2016-12-03T14:17:50 < Tectu> is there anything wrong or sub-optimal on that, stvn? :D
2016-12-03T14:18:00 < Tectu> he kept doing that so at some point I had to mention it.
2016-12-03T14:18:06 < stvn> na
2016-12-03T14:18:14 < stvn> just amusing to me
2016-12-03T14:19:29 < BrainDamage> Tectu: welll, "i just press here in my ide and it works"
2016-12-03T14:19:34 < Kliment> Tectu: I have customers who come to me needing something built and have never seen a terminal before
2016-12-03T14:20:05 < Kliment> Tectu: I'll teach them the basics usually but they do end up working with embedded stuff they don't fully understand
2016-12-03T14:20:09 < Tectu> BrainDamage, that's usually not how embedded stuff works (at least STM32 w/o arduino stuff)
2016-12-03T14:20:39 < Kliment> Tectu: Eh, even the terrible hacked Eclipse from ST does that
2016-12-03T14:20:52 < Tectu> Kliment, I have a similar "issue" with one of the customers I'm currently having a project with. I am still not sure whether I appreciate the fact that they pay me way too much per hour to teach them these things or whether I am just getting to annoyed and should stop doing that.
2016-12-03T14:21:02 < BrainDamage> there's prepackaged ides that more or less work
2016-12-03T14:21:11 < Kliment> Tectu: I quite like the teaching bit
2016-12-03T14:21:16 < BrainDamage> and require at best config file editing
2016-12-03T14:21:21 < Kliment> Tectu: If you get tired of it, pass them my way :)
2016-12-03T14:21:23 < BrainDamage> so really, not suprising
2016-12-03T14:21:46 < BrainDamage> does it involve using cattle prods?
2016-12-03T14:21:49 < Tectu> Kliment, what's your hourly rate on them?
2016-12-03T14:22:10 < Kliment> Tectu: I don't generally do hourly rates, but if they insist, same as yours :)
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2016-12-03T14:22:49 < Tectu> :)
2016-12-03T14:24:31 < Tectu> anyway, if anyone of you has some feedback regarding that forum topic/thread I'd be all ears. Not sure if I explained it not well enough or something. But knowing how to use a command line tool used to be pretty much on the "required basic knowledge to work with something like uGFX" for me. At least until now.
2016-12-03T14:28:42 < BrainDamage> my only gripe is that you're not using uguuFx as handle
2016-12-03T14:30:06 < Tectu> there's a very long list of API changes for the new major release - most of which is already implemented by now.
2016-12-03T14:31:15 < stvn> :}
2016-12-03T14:32:33 < blacktronics> Which STM32 board(s) would you recommend for getting into the topic? I've got a Nucleo L476RG which a guy from ST handed me, but lack of compatibility with a pile of sort of finished solutions and frameworks (esp libopencm3) made me just not bother further, not proficient enough(yet) to go into the depths of some libraries and frameworks to get stuff
2016-12-03T14:32:33 < blacktronics> working.
2016-12-03T14:33:19 < Tectu> depends on what you want to work with but an STM32F4 discovery board is usually a good way to get started. Plenty of I/O on the headers and still on-board peripherals to dick around.
2016-12-03T14:33:51 < BrainDamage> the F4 discovery is a good choice imo as well
2016-12-03T14:34:18 < stvn> stm32 is best discovery
2016-12-03T14:34:23 < stvn> i like my f4 disco
2016-12-03T14:35:25 < Tectu> blacktronics, http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm32f4discovery.html
2016-12-03T14:35:47 < dongs> > (esp
2016-12-03T14:35:47 < dongs>                       libopencm3)
2016-12-03T14:35:53 < dongs> this is where your problem starts
2016-12-03T14:36:23 < Tectu> hi dongs
2016-12-03T14:36:27 < dongs> sup tectu.
2016-12-03T14:36:35 < Tectu> anti-raging at keil
2016-12-03T14:36:39 < dongs> uguuFx, lol.
2016-12-03T14:36:39 < Tectu> still best IDE to get shit done <3
2016-12-03T14:37:03 < dongs> i am using keil but today is just not my day
2016-12-03T14:37:21 < dongs> as soon as I toggle GPIO to a pfet that powers up external circuit, mcu resets.
2016-12-03T14:37:29 < dongs> even resets if I short gate to gnd with tweezers.
2016-12-03T14:37:36 < dongs> no vcc/etc glitches on scope.
2016-12-03T14:38:12 < blacktronics> dongs: what is wrong with libopencm3, people seem to use it for all the stuff I want to do
2016-12-03T14:38:13 < Tectu> too little buffer capacity? brown-outing much?
2016-12-03T14:38:34 < Tectu> dongs, didn't read your last line, sorry.
2016-12-03T14:38:52 < dongs> blacktronics: well for starters it doesnt support your harwdare.
2016-12-03T14:39:02 < dongs> which has been my problem with it everytime i tried it.
2016-12-03T14:39:09 < dongs> that, and it doesnt support anything except makefiles/gcc.
2016-12-03T14:39:18 < dongs> thats pretty much a showstopper for any serious development.
2016-12-03T14:39:33 < blacktronics> so its arduino all over again
2016-12-03T14:39:39 < dongs> if I cant just take a bunch of .c/h files and throw t hem into a single folder and make use of them, I'm not really interested
2016-12-03T14:39:41 < blacktronics> why the fuck to people keep using that shit then
2016-12-03T14:40:13 < Kliment> dongs: gate cap too large, put series resistor in place?
2016-12-03T14:40:40 < Tectu> blacktronics, you shouldn't let your opinion be affected by the statement of just one person - especially not if it's dongs :p
2016-12-03T14:40:53 < blacktronics> dongs, Tectu: what about this board http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/en/STM32F469I-DISCO/497-15990-ND/5428811
2016-12-03T14:41:07 < Tectu> blacktronics, libopencm3 is fine and many people in her use it. It just depends on what you want to do and so on. But if it doesn't support your hardware you are screwed anyway
2016-12-03T14:41:14 < dongs> what eaxsctly do you want to do with stm?
2016-12-03T14:41:38 < Tectu> blacktronics, that board is fine, I got five of them on my desk right now. but it doesn't have a lot of I/Os - it really depends on what you want to do with it
2016-12-03T14:41:46 < blacktronics> at the moment FFT on a line signal and drive 450 SK6812 LEDs
2016-12-03T14:41:48 < Tectu> blacktronics, the screen on that boards if FUCKING AMAZING though
2016-12-03T14:41:59 < blacktronics> might become more in the future 
2016-12-03T14:42:10 < Tectu> blacktronics, then that F469i disco is not for you. You lack all the nice I/Os
2016-12-03T14:42:26 < blacktronics> Tectu: I only need 1 fast I/O pin really
2016-12-03T14:42:47 < stvn> lol
2016-12-03T14:43:40 < stvn> looks pretty
2016-12-03T14:43:48 < Tectu> blacktronics, if you plan to work with a display then that board is for you, otherwise not so much. But then again you might want to consider getting the STM32F7 Discovery instead because that F469i uses some fairly new shit
2016-12-03T14:44:51 < dongs> he already has F7.
2016-12-03T14:44:56 < dongs> libopenaids doenst support it
2016-12-03T14:45:00 < dongs> so hes fucked, display or not
2016-12-03T14:45:14 < Tectu> oh lol
2016-12-03T14:45:20 < blacktronics> nah I have an L476
2016-12-03T14:45:28 < Tectu> dongs ^
2016-12-03T14:45:30 < blacktronics> which i didn't even buy
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2016-12-03T14:46:31 < blacktronics> The conversation went somewhat like this: "Hey, you want on of these?" "Not sure what i'd do with it" "Well fuck you, have one anyways!"
2016-12-03T14:46:32 < stvn> the dirty library
2016-12-03T14:46:32 < Tectu> blacktronics, is there a specific reason you want to use libopencm3?
2016-12-03T14:46:58 < blacktronics> Tectu: not really, i just saw lots of people who drive WS2812 depend on it
2016-12-03T14:47:06 < Tectu> blacktronics, CubeHAL works pretty well IMHO. It's ugly at some points but it gets the job done.
2016-12-03T14:49:11 < blacktronics> I would not even know how to get CubeHAL going, i'm just messing about with PlatformIO 
2016-12-03T14:52:23 < dongs> driving 2812 is just setting up a timer and DMA
2016-12-03T14:52:28 < dongs> you can do that in wahtever the fuck you want
2016-12-03T14:52:36 < dongs> even just by reading reference manual and poking registers
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2016-12-03T15:04:01 < ReadErr> https://github.com/omriiluz/WS2812B-LED-Driver-ChibiOS
2016-12-03T15:04:16 < ReadErr> theres a much better one
2016-12-03T15:04:19 < ReadErr> forget where
2016-12-03T15:06:11 < stvn> 2812 woowoowoo
2016-12-03T15:18:33 < dongs> wow, motherfucker
2016-12-03T15:18:48 < dongs> apparently to get 8E1 out of STM32 uart
2016-12-03T15:18:53 < dongs> you have to configure it for 9bit mode.
2016-12-03T15:19:07 < blacktronics> what the hell is chibiOS now
2016-12-03T15:19:08 < dongs> as in USART_WordLength = USART_WordLength_9b
2016-12-03T15:19:18 < dongs> blacktronics: yet another fucking HAL attempt
2016-12-03T15:19:25 < dongs> supports even less shit than openstm32
2016-12-03T15:19:39 < blacktronics> Why is there so much stuff scattered all over the place
2016-12-03T15:19:55 < dongs> everyone wants their 15 minutes of internet fame
2016-12-03T15:21:45 < blacktronics> getting into stm32 development seems to be mostly filtering out all the garbage 
2016-12-03T15:22:08 < dongs> you could just use stm32duino
2016-12-03T15:22:10 < dongs> with arduino ide
2016-12-03T15:22:15 < dongs> no garbage there
2016-12-03T15:22:16 < dongs> only pro code
2016-12-03T15:22:29 < blacktronics> ew arduino ide 
2016-12-03T15:23:07 < blacktronics> I kinda stuck with Sublime Text for everything
2016-12-03T15:25:37 < ReadErr> chibios is an RTOS also
2016-12-03T15:25:55 < karlp> dongs: yeah, st's 9bit counting was a bit confusing in the beginning :|
2016-12-03T15:26:05 < stvn> leds mate
2016-12-03T15:27:13 < karlp> libopencm3 has l4 support, not a lot, but most of it's just because it's not been tested out
2016-12-03T15:29:21 < dongs> man i donno wtf is going on
2016-12-03T15:31:53 < Kliment> dongs: what's the fet connected between?
2016-12-03T15:32:00 < dongs> anything.
2016-12-03T15:32:05 < Kliment> dongs: Does it switch your power supply rail to something?
2016-12-03T15:32:11 < dongs> yeah.
2016-12-03T15:32:29 < Kliment> dongs: Does the voltage on the supply rail dip significantly when switched?
2016-12-03T15:32:33 < dongs> anything i connect to it other than somw low current shit like one IC or led, reboots.
2016-12-03T15:32:36 < dongs> nope.
2016-12-03T15:32:41 < Kliment> dongs: measured?
2016-12-03T15:32:45 < dongs> of course.
2016-12-03T15:32:51 < dongs> at 400ps timebase.
2016-12-03T15:32:53 < dongs> there is no drop.
2016-12-03T15:33:15 < Kliment> dongs: tried replacing the FET?
2016-12-03T15:33:25 < Kliment> dongs: Have you measured the gate current?
2016-12-03T15:33:33 < dongs> i've used this fet in 100s of projects.
2016-12-03T15:33:38 < dongs> its my standard signal pfet.
2016-12-03T15:33:48 < Kliment> I mean this particular one, not the model
2016-12-03T15:33:57 < dongs> infact the board its trying to power up via that pfet is also using it to do ~same thing
2016-12-03T15:34:03 < dongs> to switch around 80mA of stuff
2016-12-03T15:34:04 < dongs> and it works there.
2016-12-03T15:34:19 < dongs> no but i have 3 boards and they all do same thing.
2016-12-03T15:34:23 < dongs> its not the fet.
2016-12-03T15:35:19 < Kliment> analog watchdog? some AF on the pin?
2016-12-03T15:35:23 < dongs> nope, nope.
2016-12-03T15:35:41 < dongs> like i said, it ALSO resets if I just short fet gate to gnd with tweezers.
2016-12-03T15:35:56 < Kliment> if you disconnect the FET from the pin, and short FET gate, what happens?
2016-12-03T15:35:58 < dongs> while gpio pin is in_floating
2016-12-03T15:36:09 < Kliment> Also, what pin, what part?
2016-12-03T15:36:10 < dongs> ^ if its flaoting, it doesnt amtter.
2016-12-03T15:36:14 < dongs> just PB0 on F103.
2016-12-03T15:36:16 < dongs> nothing special.
2016-12-03T15:36:19 < dongs> there's no weird AF on it.
2016-12-03T15:36:56 < Kliment> If you erase flash, does it still reset?
2016-12-03T15:37:28 < dongs> yeah.
2016-12-03T15:38:13 < Kliment> series resistor on gate, still resets?
2016-12-03T15:38:35 < dongs> dont have space for it, but sholudnt matter.
2016-12-03T15:39:22 < dongs> there's nothing for the fet to short to ground, its switching only high side.
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2016-12-03T15:39:44 < dongs> if there was a short I would have seen the drop in vcc or wahtever
2016-12-03T15:39:54 < dongs> at 400ps there would at least be glitch or something visible of that happening
2016-12-03T15:40:02 < Kliment> checked continuity between nrst and pb0?
2016-12-03T15:40:38 < dongs> tehy're nowehre near
2016-12-03T15:40:47 < dongs> like opposite corners of qfp
2016-12-03T15:42:01 < Kliment> check anyway
2016-12-03T15:42:10 < Kliment> maybe they're connected on pcb
2016-12-03T15:42:19 < dongs> i made the pcb, so no.
2016-12-03T15:46:31 < Kliment> i gotta go
2016-12-03T15:46:51 < dongs> yep.
2016-12-03T15:47:00 < dongs> dont worry, i spent a while on this and still have no idea :)
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2016-12-03T16:29:31 < dongs> so hm, fuck the pfet thing. sending 7F as 9e1 to stm in bootloader mode.
2016-12-03T16:29:33 < dongs> getting nothign back.
2016-12-03T16:38:45 < dongs> oh hey finally i got version 0x31
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2016-12-03T16:44:39 < kakimir> some firmware for shittyescs?
2016-12-03T16:45:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/l7Sz8t0.jpg
2016-12-03T16:47:18 < aandrew> LOL at board name
2016-12-03T16:47:42 < aandrew> I use those same OLEDs (0.96" I think?)
2016-12-03T16:48:02 < aandrew> although I've been having some trouble locating them even on aliexpress, everyone wants to sell them with a shitty breakout I2C PCB
2016-12-03T16:48:26 < dongs> ive got a box of them for years
2016-12-03T16:50:00 < dongs> iirc igot them directly from wide.hk
2016-12-03T16:50:07 < dongs> by just emailing and saying give me shit
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2016-12-03T17:11:49 < aandrew> heh
2016-12-03T17:15:20 < aandrew> hm
2016-12-03T17:15:24 < aandrew> I'm looking for a shitty transistor
2016-12-03T17:15:34 < aandrew> I'd like to find one with a breakdown voltage in the 3-5V range... does such a thing exist?
2016-12-03T17:15:43 < aandrew> digikey starts at 10v which is too high, and I don't want to fuck with a charge pump
2016-12-03T17:25:02 < aandrew> maybe I'm better off just using a regular transistor and toggling an I/O to create a shitty boost supply
2016-12-03T17:25:40 < aandrew> what is that anyway, an inductor, diode and cap? don't even need a driving fet since it's tiny current
2016-12-03T17:25:50 < dongs> wat re you mkaing
2016-12-03T17:25:57 < dongs> surely a capacitor boost reg is cheaper
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2016-12-03T17:26:54 < __rob> anyone know off hand what flag I need to clear after wkup from RTC
2016-12-03T17:27:05 < __rob> getting instant wakeup after the first iteration
2016-12-03T17:27:22 < __rob> was under impression the fact that it comes up from reset everything would be cleared.. apparently not
2016-12-03T17:29:27 < Spirit532> dongs, those are some nice dupont wires
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2016-12-03T17:39:04 < dongs> wtf why is shit so damn slow
2016-12-03T17:39:50 < dongs> i should probly write DMA routines properly
2016-12-03T17:40:01 < dongs> to DMA directly from buffer instead of doing it byte by byte
2016-12-03T17:40:42 < Steffanx> i don't know, but last time i worked with the RTC it was explained in the datasheet
2016-12-03T17:41:39 < kakimir> I'm having a slow shit right now
2016-12-03T17:41:45 < Steffanx> *reference manual
2016-12-03T17:43:40 < Steffanx> you need more Fiber rich food kakimir?
2016-12-03T17:44:30 < Steffanx> @ __rob isn't that explained in the reference manual, in the section where they explain how to use the rtc?
2016-12-03T17:45:29 < Steffanx> I used events and all i clear was the pending event iirc.
2016-12-03T17:48:19 < blacktronics> dongs: which framework would you recommend?
2016-12-03T17:48:58 < Steffanx> I know that one: STCUBEHAL + keil. 
2016-12-03T17:49:23 < dongs> blacktronics: eh i donno, i just use stdperiphlib
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2016-12-03T17:49:39 < blacktronics> purism ftw 
2016-12-03T17:50:02 < dongs> no, purism would be doing STM32->FUCKYOUREG = 0xDEADBEEF; // no comment
2016-12-03T17:50:03 < Steffanx> but that one doesn't exist very any new STM does it, dongs?
2016-12-03T17:50:18 < Steffanx> *for
2016-12-03T17:50:26 < dongs> exists for f1/f3/f4/f0 so...
2016-12-03T17:50:29 < dongs> im not too sads
2016-12-03T17:51:15 < dongs> hmm my DMA is correct (i think) and ium still getting awful write speeds
2016-12-03T17:53:46 < blacktronics> is mbed worth getting into?
2016-12-03T17:54:10 < dongs> thats even more arduino than arduino
2016-12-03T17:54:22 < blacktronics> binned
2016-12-03T17:54:22 < dongs> also its C++ for no reason
2016-12-03T17:54:28 < blacktronics> yeah i saw that
2016-12-03T17:54:31 < blacktronics> confused the shit out of me
2016-12-03T18:02:06 < dongs> fucking piece of shit ST DFuSe demo
2016-12-03T18:02:14 < dongs> their  readback/upload shit is broken
2016-12-03T18:02:24 < dongs> picks wrong target for readback
2016-12-03T18:02:31 < dongs> yo uselect target 1, it will read out target 0
2016-12-03T18:02:39 < dongs> but wiht the length of target1 data.
2016-12-03T18:06:19 < blacktronics> what is the difference between RCC_AHBPeriphClockCmd and RCC_AHB1PeriphClockCmd
2016-12-03T18:07:32 < dongs> are there stms with more than one +AHB bus?
2016-12-03T18:08:26 < blacktronics> apparently the L476 does 
2016-12-03T18:09:11 < blacktronics> "[...] and an extensive range of enhanced I/Os and peripherals connected to two APB buses, two AHB buses and a 32-bit multi-AHB bus matrix."
2016-12-03T18:09:52 < dongs> thats what it means then
2016-12-03T18:10:16 < blacktronics> so AHB is the first and AHB1 is the second?
2016-12-03T18:10:32 < blacktronics> this code isn't made for the L476 
2016-12-03T18:10:37 < dongs> that would be my guess
2016-12-03T18:11:01 < blacktronics> i'm just looking at the SPL Blink example from PlatformIO
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2016-12-03T18:11:19 < blacktronics> https://github.com/platformio/platformio-examples/tree/develop/stm32/stm32-spl-blink
2016-12-03T18:12:14 < dongs> wtf is this
2016-12-03T18:12:31 < dongs> its just using stdperiphlib
2016-12-03T18:12:35 < dongs> but in some retarded way
2016-12-03T18:13:09 < blacktronics> top kek
2016-12-03T18:13:34 < dongs> k dfuse target readout is definitely broken
2016-12-03T18:13:43 < dongs> for anything other than target 0
2016-12-03T18:13:44 < dongs> hgmm
2016-12-03T18:14:06 < dongs> fuckit sleep time
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2016-12-03T18:16:40 < blacktronics> jesus christ apparently this board also does not support SPL 
2016-12-03T18:17:01 < blacktronics> what even am I supposed to do with this thing, there is only mbed support
2016-12-03T18:17:56 < ReadErr> you picked ur whore, now you sleep with it
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2016-12-03T18:23:25 < blacktronics> I'll just get a different whore, one I'm actually picking myself
2016-12-03T18:23:33 < blacktronics> I did not pay for the current whore 
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2016-12-03T18:27:54 < karlp> blacktronics: that platform io stuff looks ok to me.
2016-12-03T18:28:24 < karlp> blacktronics: no, AHB and AHB1 are the same. some codebases are for chips with only one AHB, so they sometimes get defined as AHB without the 1.
2016-12-03T18:28:35 < karlp> designed for top fun when porting between stm families
2016-12-03T18:28:35 < blacktronics> karlp: ahh alright
2016-12-03T18:28:55 < blacktronics> can't reject some extra fun tho
2016-12-03T18:29:21 < blacktronics> karlp: yeah PlatformIO seems alright, works well for mbed because that is the only thing it lets me use with this board
2016-12-03T18:30:28 < blacktronics> karlp: http://platformio.org/boards?count=15&filter%5Bid%5D=L47
2016-12-03T18:30:39 < blacktronics> only lists mbed under frameworks
2016-12-03T18:30:53 < karlp> I've honestly never tried it's support for stm32
2016-12-03T18:31:12 < karlp> and yeah, l4 is still "new" and not as popular as the f4 disco ever was, so it's going to be more patchy
2016-12-03T18:31:58 < blacktronics> i'll just buy a different board, can't be arsed with this haha
2016-12-03T18:32:20 < blacktronics> if i was already into the topic then sure, but learning on this is already annoying me
2016-12-03T18:32:50 < karlp> well, platformio doesn't reallyt contain anythign itself, it's jsut helpers to get the builds setup
2016-12-03T18:33:01 < karlp> so you're at the mercy of whatever mbed/spl/locm3/whatever have.
2016-12-03T18:33:56 < blacktronics> i grabbed it because it was easy to set up
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2016-12-03T18:34:50 < blacktronics> I wouldn't even know how to get started with STM32Cube
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2016-12-03T19:09:27 < englishman> hey Tectu
2016-12-03T19:09:34 < englishman> how is skool
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2016-12-03T19:09:51 < Tectu> Bonsoir
2016-12-03T19:09:53 < englishman> I drank a swiss beer yesterday. It was crap!
2016-12-03T19:09:54 < Tectu> fuck school
2016-12-03T19:10:06 < Tectu> of course, the beer of every foreign country is crap :p
2016-12-03T19:10:22 < Tectu> I never had a beer of another country (of which I had many) and though "yeah, that's good"
2016-12-03T19:10:51 < englishman> so swiss beer is good domestically
2016-12-03T19:11:32 < BrainDamage> i find german and belgian beers good and italian beers generally horrible except from microbreweries
2016-12-03T19:11:32 < englishman> glad to hear school sucks
2016-12-03T19:14:35 < Tectu> I wouldn't say that it's good. taste is so subjective... Personally I like most swiss beers a lot.
2016-12-03T19:14:41 < Tectu> englishman, what did you have?
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2016-12-03T19:17:04 < englishman> like the only swiss beer this store had
2016-12-03T19:17:23 < englishman> "Swiss mountain" with a lovely swiss family on the label
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2016-12-03T19:20:04 < englishman> i made some fresh kitten videos
2016-12-03T19:20:08 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb4nfrgKT6Y
2016-12-03T19:20:13 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblJT5KSjAw
2016-12-03T19:20:50 < englishman> going to make another one in daylight
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2016-12-03T19:36:09 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ9VBMBS3qE music times
2016-12-03T19:36:44 < PaulFertser> englishman: cool cat! What was the temperature outside?
2016-12-03T19:39:02 < PaulFertser> englishman: how many cats do you have? Do they run at night when you're trying to sleep?
2016-12-03T19:43:38 < englishman> PaulFertser: 0 or -1
2016-12-03T19:43:43 < englishman> just 12 kittens right now
2016-12-03T19:44:17 < PaulFertser> englishman: whoa
2016-12-03T19:44:22 < englishman> fresh kitten video uploading
2016-12-03T19:44:50 < PaulFertser> What does -1 cat mean?
2016-12-03T19:44:56 < englishman> degrees
2016-12-03T19:44:58 < englishman> of kittens
2016-12-03T19:48:28 < PaulFertser> Got it
2016-12-03T19:48:44 < englishman> i dont think this winter will be very cold
2016-12-03T19:48:53 < englishman> which is nice, last winter was very cold and icy
2016-12-03T19:49:03 < englishman> i prefer snow
2016-12-03T19:52:05 < PaulFertser> A week ago I wanted to go to a supermarket to buy food and I ended up being on a country "road" which was fully covered in ice so I could barely walk, and couldn't ride bicycle at all (as there were plenty of deep cracks in all directions, really slippery). I had to return and go via a paved road with motorists :/
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2016-12-03T19:54:28 < englishman> this year the bicycle lanes down in montreal will be plowed
2016-12-03T19:54:57 < englishman> and country roads are plowed like 4x per hour - but i still wouldnt ride a bike
2016-12-03T19:55:33 < PaulFertser> Why?
2016-12-03T19:55:49 < PaulFertser> We have no bicycle lanes at all in moscow.
2016-12-03T19:56:05 < PaulFertser> (well, there're really few and mostly unusable in my opinion)
2016-12-03T19:56:14 < englishman> kittens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbQRt86Ytog
2016-12-03T19:56:19 < BrainDamage> do you have knife murder lanes?
2016-12-03T19:56:25 < englishman> because it's cold!
2016-12-03T19:57:11 < englishman> i biked to work quite a bit in the summer, there are great bike trails
2016-12-03T19:57:15 < englishman> but its ~20km
2016-12-03T19:59:32 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: no, we have many lanes for public transport though, so you can ride a bus without getting stuck in a traffic jam.
2016-12-03T20:00:57 < PaulFertser> englishman: the faster you ride, the colder it gets... If you're going like 15 km/h I do not think it's too cold usually. It depends on humidity a lot.
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2016-12-03T20:08:24 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMWpTMlEzYndwLWc/view?usp=sharing cold.exe
2016-12-03T20:10:29 < kakimir> back there tommorrow maybe do some indoor hours first in the morning so it warms up from -20 to -15
2016-12-03T20:11:19 < englishman> is it really that cold in finland
2016-12-03T20:11:40 < englishman> it is
2016-12-03T20:22:09 < ReadErr> F.dat
2016-12-03T20:23:54 < kakimir> I only wish it would be colder
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2016-12-03T20:55:16 < kakimir> cornputter borken
2016-12-03T21:04:18 < Rob235> updated the damn bios and now it doesn't post
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2016-12-03T21:50:57 < Rob235> all working again
2016-12-03T21:51:02 < Rob235> I know you all were very worried
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2016-12-03T22:13:27 < Getty> <facepalm> https://www.pi-shop.ch/spy-camera-fuer-raspberry-pi yeah sure, lets make a small micro spy camera for the raspberry pi, cause for sure the complete rest of the device will not be a hiding problem 8-)
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2016-12-03T22:37:34 < upgrdman> holy shit, it worked on my first try:  http://farrellf.com/temp/tesla_coil_revA.jpg
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2016-12-03T22:45:15 < qyx> no sparks?
2016-12-03T22:45:58 < englishman> cool!
2016-12-03T22:46:00 < englishman> kit?
2016-12-03T22:47:01 < upgrdman> qyx, not driving it hard enough yet, being cautious since this my first time DIY'ing anything HV
2016-12-03T22:47:11 < upgrdman> englishman, no, just cobbled together
2016-12-03T22:47:24 < englishman> no stm32, take your offtopic nonsense elsewhere
2016-12-03T22:47:37 < upgrdman> the pcb is a half-bridge i made a while ago, but im just using it's low-side FETs
2016-12-03T22:47:42 < upgrdman> englishman, THERE IS STM32
2016-12-03T22:47:47 < upgrdman> it's making the PWM
2016-12-03T22:48:08 < englishman> ok i will allow these chats
2016-12-03T22:50:16 < upgrdman> englishman, http://farrellf.com/temp/tesla_coil_revA_controller.jpg
2016-12-03T22:50:54 < englishman> nice
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2016-12-03T23:35:50 < Spirit532> upgrdman, that's an oddly powerless tesla coil
2016-12-03T23:36:04 < Spirit532> I got 1cm long streamers out of a handheld coil
2016-12-03T23:36:28 < Spirit532> and an f0 should be enough to make an interrupter for a tabletop DRSSTC
2016-12-03T23:36:42 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCH41KCeKww
2016-12-03T23:36:47 < Spirit532> not my video, but you get the idea.
2016-12-03T23:37:15 < Spirit532> this video is slightly better
2016-12-03T23:37:16 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tLYHOQCMWc
2016-12-03T23:37:29 < Spirit532> mostly because it plays night of knights, and that makes for longer streamers
2016-12-03T23:39:29 < upgrdman> Spirit532, it was literally my first power up of it. have not tuned for resonance or anything
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2016-12-03T23:39:46 < Spirit532> that's pretty easy with a tabletop coil 
2016-12-03T23:39:48 < upgrdman> and it's currently powered by 8 AA's through some 26awg wire... so ya, lots of room for improvement
2016-12-03T23:39:55 < Spirit532> swepp the frequency up and down, and give it a LOT more power
2016-12-03T23:40:01 < Spirit532> a variac through a rectifier, 50-60VDC
2016-12-03T23:40:06 < Spirit532> you'll see it light up
2016-12-03T23:40:12 < Spirit532> that, or you'll see your fets light up
2016-12-03T23:40:16 < upgrdman> ya i know, and i plan to
2016-12-03T23:40:21 < Spirit532> if you're out of resonance
2016-12-03T23:40:21 < Spirit532> lol
2016-12-03T23:40:26 < upgrdman> ya my fets are 60v limit :)
2016-12-03T23:40:30 < Spirit532> give them 30
2016-12-03T23:40:34 < upgrdman> but i think i habe some 100v fets
2016-12-03T23:40:42 < Spirit532> for tesla coils, the rule of thumb VMax/2
2016-12-03T23:40:52 < Spirit532> unless you have a godlike back-emf protection circuit
2016-12-03T23:41:03 < upgrdman> ya i see the drain ringing on the scope
2016-12-03T23:41:17 < Spirit532> you need a diode
2016-12-03T23:41:22 < Spirit532> you dearly need a diode
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2016-12-03T23:42:24 < upgrdman> fets are avalanche-rated
2016-12-03T23:42:30 < upgrdman> for inductive loads
2016-12-03T23:42:47 < Spirit532> they're not rated for what you're not seeing on the scope
2016-12-03T23:42:57 < Spirit532> believe me, I've seen what you don't see on the scope :P.
2016-12-03T23:43:06 < upgrdman> in past project, they look to clamp the drain to 63ish volts
2016-12-03T23:43:19 < upgrdman> like a zener, not a shittkey
2016-12-03T23:43:28 < Spirit532> where can you buy a shittkey diode?
2016-12-03T23:43:33 < upgrdman> schottky
2016-12-03T23:43:34 < Spirit532> isn't that a wire?
2016-12-03T23:43:37 < Spirit532> ;)
2016-12-03T23:45:27 < upgrdman> these are the FETs i used  http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/toshiba/2986.pdf
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2016-12-04T00:20:53 < sync> upgrdman: bad L/D ratio for a tc, but nice
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2016-12-04T00:29:16 < upgrdman> sync, l/d?
2016-12-04T00:29:30 < sync> length diameter
2016-12-04T00:30:08 < upgrdman> too long?
2016-12-04T00:30:19 < sync> yes
2016-12-04T00:36:42 < upgrdman> mmm ya sparks are short:  http://farrellf.com/temp/tesla_coil_revA_first_sparks.jpg    think i'll try a bigger alu foil ball, then a better battery. 
2016-12-04T00:39:11 < upgrdman> maybe 1cm, so 30kV ish?
2016-12-04T00:39:57 < sync> more like 10
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2016-12-04T01:10:38 < Spirit532> that's neither 30 nor 10kv
2016-12-04T01:10:55 < Spirit532> that's around 3, if that
2016-12-04T01:11:10 < Spirit532> that tesla coil secondary has WAY too few turns, upgrdman 
2016-12-04T01:12:05 < Spirit532> on another note, I just stumbled over a cord, tripped over the tripod, which was holding a $60 000 camera with a $300 lens on it, and I put a rather sizeable dent in my arm because that camera weighs 11kg and is made out of 1-2cm thick machined billet aluminium
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2016-12-04T01:12:36 < Spirit532> and yes, I did mean all of those numbers.
2016-12-04T01:12:39 < Spirit532> sixty thousand.
2016-12-04T01:12:47 < Kliment> Spirit532: High speed cam?
2016-12-04T01:12:50 < Spirit532> yes
2016-12-04T01:12:54 < Kliment> Spirit532: or thermal?
2016-12-04T01:12:56 < Spirit532> high speed
2016-12-04T01:13:38 < Kliment> That's the only two categories that fit both the price and the dimensions
2016-12-04T01:13:44 < Spirit532> heh
2016-12-04T01:13:47 < Spirit532> 11kg aluminium?
2016-12-04T01:13:51 < Spirit532> wouldn't fit thermal
2016-12-04T01:14:05 < Spirit532> a $60k thermal cam is probably cooled, which means it needs a tiny heatsink and a powerful fan
2016-12-04T01:14:23 < Kliment> They tend to have water cooling and a large heat exchanger
2016-12-04T01:14:24 < karlp> only a $300 lens?
2016-12-04T01:14:36 < Spirit532> karlp, nikon F mount
2016-12-04T01:14:41 < Spirit532> slightly smaller than full-frame sensor
2016-12-04T01:14:47 < Spirit532> that is, full frame 1280x1024
2016-12-04T01:14:57 < Spirit532> gotta give you a sense of how ridiculously huge the pixels are
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2016-12-04T01:19:01 < karlp> upgrdman: well done going from idea to execution so quickly
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2016-12-04T01:19:17 < Spirit532> that I can give him credit for
2016-12-04T01:19:22 < Spirit532> but he got pretty much everything wrong
2016-12-04T01:19:23 < Spirit532> lol
2016-12-04T01:19:36 < Spirit532> all the way from the topload to the driving circuit
2016-12-04T01:20:14 < Rob235> if a browser is saying a website is waiting for available socket... does that mean I broke it?
2016-12-04T01:20:25 < Spirit532> that either means the site is being attacked
2016-12-04T01:20:34 < Spirit532> or if you own the site, you broke it
2016-12-04T01:21:09 < Rob235> I'm using a image downloader to download thousands of images, 6 at a time, I wonder if the server thought it was under attack
2016-12-04T01:21:26 < Spirit532> you've been banned
2016-12-04T01:21:27 < Rob235> or is just blocking me
2016-12-04T01:21:32 < karlp> show us what you've made this week Spirit532 
2016-12-04T01:21:43 < Rob235> I tried through another ip too though
2016-12-04T01:21:44 < Spirit532> karlp, nothing in particular, aside from a bucket of angry tears
2016-12-04T01:21:59 < Spirit532> I want to crush someone's head in our customs office
2016-12-04T01:22:22 < Spirit532> but I DO have experience with tesla coils, quite a number of them
2016-12-04T01:23:43 < karlp> upgrdman: is that your old spectrum analyuser project repurposed as controller?
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2016-12-04T01:31:27 < HorizonSet> For the F7 series, which is the best way of determining which peripherals are using which APB clocks? I'm sure I've looked it over a dozen times in the reference manual. 
2016-12-04T01:32:43 < karlp> HorizonSet: easiest is to look at which register their enable bit is.
2016-12-04T01:32:51 < karlp> RCC_AHBENR or RCC_APBxENR
2016-12-04T01:32:57 < Thorn> clock tree diagram in ref manual
2016-12-04T01:33:07 < HorizonSet> I was going by that method, didn't know if it was a roundabout way of doing it.
2016-12-04T01:33:12 < HorizonSet> Ah, thanks so much. I'll scope it out
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2016-12-04T02:35:41 < stvn> hi
2016-12-04T02:49:59 < upgrdman> karlp, thanks and yes
2016-12-04T02:50:18 < upgrdman> i added pwm and motor drive modes to it
2016-12-04T02:51:25 < upgrdman> side note, i swapped my 8 AA's for a lab psu, and i keep killing the mosfets :) psu at to about 13V, and when playing with ground wire near the ball, just corona / a few sparks...
2016-12-04T02:52:12 < upgrdman> source to drain is like 3 ohms even when i short gate to drain :(
2016-12-04T02:54:49 < upgrdman> sync, BrainDamage: any idea why my tesla FETs would die so easily? im fairly confident the secoary is NOT arcing to the primary ... way to weak right now. 
2016-12-04T03:02:10 < upgrdman> *when i short gate to source
2016-12-04T03:02:36 < Thorn> which mosfets? what is Vgs and Vds max?
2016-12-04T03:05:29 < upgrdman> Vgs +/-20V, Vds 60V        http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/toshiba/2986.pdf
2016-12-04T03:07:09 < upgrdman> only thing i can think of if these FETs are slow fall time (480ns)
2016-12-04T03:07:33 < upgrdman> so maybe driving them at 500kHz is asking too much
2016-12-04T03:08:09 < upgrdman> but they were not getting hot. heatsink is slightly warm (but heatsink is huge)
2016-12-04T03:08:21 < Thorn> do they get hot before dying?
2016-12-04T03:08:56 < Thorn> scope gate and drain
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2016-12-04T03:12:02 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-04T03:12:24 < upgrdman> no they dont get hot but my psu switches to CC mode when they short out
2016-12-04T03:12:29 < Thorn> is source grounded btw
2016-12-04T03:12:42 < upgrdman> when testing, yes
2016-12-04T03:14:51 < Thorn> looks like there is protection between g and s btw
2016-12-04T03:16:10 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-04T03:16:15 < upgrdman> would that be a problem?
2016-12-04T03:16:26 < upgrdman> anyway, i have 8 of these, i could give them a shot:  http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/csd19536kcs.pdf
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2016-12-04T04:20:25 < dongs> what teh fuck
2016-12-04T04:20:27 < dongs> that VM is stoned again
2016-12-04T04:20:33 < dongs> fucking nigger trash
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2016-12-04T05:23:38 < ohsix> hannibal buress is on periscope doing live mma commentary
2016-12-04T05:25:36 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv_AVI9kHN4 also live: Attempting to finish reverse engineering of the raw HTC vive data.
2016-12-04T05:26:12 < ohsix> that dude hit jesus hard, his girlfriend is a nutter
2016-12-04T05:26:44 < ohsix> lul sudo, he doesn't have udev rulez for the vive
2016-12-04T05:28:47 < ohsix> huhuhuh
2016-12-04T05:29:01 < Thorn> no idea got a notification
2016-12-04T05:29:06 < englishman> CNLohr sounds familiar
2016-12-04T05:29:11 < ohsix> i like when nothing is known, but then people say stuff will be hard, or anything that implies knowledge that doesn't exist yet
2016-12-04T05:29:17 < ohsix> englishman: he did the 3d wifi mapping stick
2016-12-04T05:29:23 < ohsix> on hackaday pretty often
2016-12-04T05:29:25 < Thorn> at least it's not MMA
2016-12-04T05:29:47 < ohsix> i don't even like mma, hannibal buress is gr8 tho
2016-12-04T05:29:48 < englishman> ah esp8266 videos
2016-12-04T05:29:57 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/g6R2r9uBA40?t=20m12s
2016-12-04T05:31:18 < ohsix> wizards eh
2016-12-04T05:31:53 < ohsix> interesting but cringe
2016-12-04T05:32:06 < ohsix> let me know if something cool happens :D
2016-12-04T05:32:18 < englishman> oh god this stuff
2016-12-04T05:32:43 < ohsix> i've uhh, there's a thing i'll probably be doing next year similar to the vive lighthouse illuminators
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2016-12-04T05:33:18 < ohsix> hm now that i've said that i have an interesting idea of a thing to do huhuhuhu
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2016-12-04T05:36:57 < ohsix> upgrdman: http://tangible.media.mit.edu/project/chainform/
2016-12-04T05:37:32 < ohsix> i need to get some magnets to see about self assembly/snap together garbage
2016-12-04T05:37:50 < Thorn> maker--;
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2016-12-04T05:44:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, neat
2016-12-04T05:44:14 < upgrdman> ohsix, today i did this:  http://farrellf.com/temp/tesla_coil_revA.jpg
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2016-12-04T05:48:44 < upgrdman> i do
2016-12-04T05:48:48 < upgrdman> and its a nice knife set
2016-12-04T05:49:25 < Thorn> and a 6 month supply of fap paper
2016-12-04T05:49:45 < upgrdman> with more in the cabinet
2016-12-04T05:51:44 < upgrdman> who said i paid for them
2016-12-04T05:52:25 < upgrdman> regardless, a good set of knifes is worth the cost.
2016-12-04T05:54:54 < upgrdman> and low quality knifes hold that edge for like 1 day
2016-12-04T05:55:13 < upgrdman> i suppose if your time is worthless and you want to constant sharpen your knives...
2016-12-04T05:56:55 < ohsix> upgrdman: huhuh neat
2016-12-04T05:57:02 < ohsix> bzzt-ness
2016-12-04T05:57:08 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-04T05:57:10 < ohsix> how long did it take to wind secondary
2016-12-04T05:57:16 < upgrdman> i need to get some higher-votlage FETs tho
2016-12-04T05:57:26 < upgrdman> my 60V FETs shit the bed with it
2016-12-04T05:57:34 < ohsix> get IGBTs
2016-12-04T05:57:43 < ohsix> even some small/'inexpensive' ones are badass
2016-12-04T05:57:43 < upgrdman> ohsix, maybe 15 mins
2016-12-04T05:57:49 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-04T05:57:59 < upgrdman> but i should have used smaller wire and more turns
2016-12-04T05:58:02 < upgrdman> i used 26awg
2016-12-04T05:58:11 < upgrdman> because i didnt have much 32awg on hand
2016-12-04T05:58:43 < ohsix> http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB145ZDLXXXXXbPXFXXq6xXFXXXz/Free-shipping-10PCS-Welder-common-40G120-FGW40N120HD-TO-247-40A1200V-Discrete-IGBT.jpg_640x640.jpg not sure what this package is called,  but there's a ton of igbts in it
2016-12-04T05:58:52 < ohsix> they're used in welder circuits and junk
2016-12-04T05:59:01 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, no, just for fun
2016-12-04T05:59:08 < ohsix> infineon makes a lot of them
2016-12-04T05:59:13 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-04T05:59:13 < ohsix> fairchild
2016-12-04T05:59:23 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BNFHyl1ld56/
2016-12-04T05:59:24 < upgrdman> but i have lots of 600V nMOS at work
2016-12-04T05:59:28 < upgrdman> like >100
2016-12-04T05:59:46 < ohsix> werd
2016-12-04T06:00:07 < ohsix> those big igbts might need a rail on them to get stated specs
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2016-12-04T06:00:13 < ohsix> pressure on top of case type junk
2016-12-04T06:00:46 < ohsix> can tkae a lot of physical stress
2016-12-04T06:00:49 < upgrdman> to get contact with heatsink?
2016-12-04T06:09:24 < HorizonSet> I'm trying to port some relatively simple code that was written using SPL functions before HAL was standard. There isn't really anything more to this than just looking at the old SPL libraries, and banging out custom functions on the new chip, yeah? No sort of documentation on adapting from one to the other?
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2016-12-04T06:31:28 < ohsix> upgrdman: to not explode :D
2016-12-04T06:31:37 < ohsix> upgrdman: high dv/dt & thermal stresses
2016-12-04T06:32:04 < ohsix> you probably know about high voltage scrs that need that
2016-12-04T06:32:06 < ohsix> the pancake ones
2016-12-04T06:32:20 < upgrdman> lol so they need pressure to stay together?
2016-12-04T06:33:45 < ohsix> some of the higher power ones ya
2016-12-04T06:33:50 < ohsix> there's so much physical stress
2016-12-04T06:34:15 < ohsix> they're really high power devices
2016-12-04T06:34:48 < ohsix> http://www.chtechnology.com/thyristors.html
2016-12-04T06:35:02 < ohsix> 4200A
2016-12-04T06:37:10 < ohsix> eh anyways, the datasheet will let you know if you need pressure mounting
2016-12-04T06:37:26 < ohsix> the scrs/igbts in the package i linked to are right on the edge of sometimes needing that
2016-12-04T06:38:16 < ohsix> http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-Application+Note+Discrete+IGBT+in+TO-247PLUS-AN-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=5546d46249cd10140149e0c7fe9d56c7
2016-12-04T06:38:25 < ohsix> die shot on page 8
2016-12-04T06:39:22 < ohsix> and some details about mounting
2016-12-04T06:41:22 < ohsix> fets might be cheaper tho, i dunno
2016-12-04T06:41:29 < ohsix> people generally overlook igbts
2016-12-04T06:41:45 < ohsix> or they think they're the big packages that are like nintendo cartridges
2016-12-04T06:46:30 < Thorn> my shit compiles
2016-12-04T06:46:42 < Thorn> but why is .text 7404 bytes
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2016-12-04T06:47:15 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYedxdT-HVA
2016-12-04T06:47:54 < ohsix> generate a map file
2016-12-04T06:48:21 < ohsix> i like just going nuclear and using -save-temps
2016-12-04T06:48:54 < ohsix> Thorn: is this a fetish video or something?
2016-12-04T06:49:19 < Thorn> .text 0x08000adc 0x858 build/libstm32stdperiph.a(stm32f0xx_hal_rcc.o)
2016-12-04T06:49:51 < Thorn> .text 0x080014d8 0x2f0 build/libstm32stdperiph.a(stm32f0xx_hal_gpio.o) <- wtf, I'm not using anything from it
2016-12-04T06:50:00 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-04T06:50:14 < ohsix> it should be discarded then, how did you link
2016-12-04T06:50:23 < Thorn> with the linker
2016-12-04T06:50:34 < ohsix> generally, it's not easy to avoid using shit from that file
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2016-12-04T06:50:36 < ohsix> heh
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2016-12-04T06:50:54 < ohsix> how did you invoke the linker
2016-12-04T06:51:05 < Thorn> some of it comes from libgcc.a(_udivsi3.o) etc. but most crap is from HAL
2016-12-04T06:51:34 < Thorn> no it's a cat video
2016-12-04T06:51:47 < ohsix> k
2016-12-04T06:52:02 < ohsix> cats that are mostly illegal to own olol
2016-12-04T06:52:09 < ohsix> rubbing on a teenager
2016-12-04T06:53:26 < Thorn> no I didn't
2016-12-04T06:54:17 < Thorn> looks like hal_rcc.c uses HAL_Gpio_Init() wtf why
2016-12-04T06:58:46 < Thorn> added -flto, now getting undefined symbols
2016-12-04T06:59:38 < Thorn> HAL_RCC_OscConfig HAL_NVIC_SetPriority etc.
2016-12-04T07:09:38 < Thorn> HAL_RCC_MCOConfig() uses the gpio module but I'm not referencing that function anywhere in my project. so unused functions are not removed
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2016-12-04T07:45:37 < dongs> whoops
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2016-12-04T07:52:36 < dongs> the dfuse readback stuff was my fuckup
2016-12-04T07:52:51 < dongs> copypasted wrong stuff, half the code thought spi was at 64000000 the other half at 0
2016-12-04T08:06:00 < ohsix> ReadErr: 'the greasy strangler;
2016-12-04T08:11:05 < dongs> so.
2016-12-04T08:11:11 < dongs> why is stm32flash so fucking slow.
2016-12-04T08:11:13 < dongs> what am I missing
2016-12-04T08:12:49 < ReadErr> ohsix: wat
2016-12-04T08:18:26 < ohsix> ReadErr: movie
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2016-12-04T08:18:59 < ohsix> half in the bag ep 120 is year end wrap up
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2016-12-04T08:29:12 < dongs> oh ffs
2016-12-04T08:29:15 < dongs> time() returns seconds
2016-12-04T08:29:18 < dongs> not us/ms
2016-12-04T08:29:22 < dongs> fuck lunix
2016-12-04T08:30:47 < dongs> yesss. nice. works
2016-12-04T08:30:54 < dongs> but still slow as ballz
2016-12-04T08:33:50 < dongs> anyone got a nice IRQ or DMA uart RX for F1 with timeout capability?
2016-12-04T08:33:59 < dongs> i ghettoed some shit up and i dont really like it
2016-12-04T08:42:34 < dongs> like 2k/sec or something
2016-12-04T08:42:36 < dongs> wtf this is terrible
2016-12-04T08:45:54 < dongs> 200ms between 256byte transmit packets
2016-12-04T08:47:41 < englishman> HAL does timeout
2016-12-04T08:47:48 < dongs> haha.
2016-12-04T08:48:25 < dongs> anyway, i dont get it. shit is going at 2k/sec. clearly serial is not bottleneck
2016-12-04T08:49:00 < dongs> 256bytes takes 6.5ms to transmit
2016-12-04T08:49:25 < dongs> i guess time to blink led for reads
2016-12-04T08:58:23 < dongs> does anyone use stm32flash???
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2016-12-04T09:19:09 < dongs> https://youtu.be/2X-PgHSZh6U found LeelooMinai youtube channel
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2016-12-04T09:26:25 < dongs> heh, STM8 cpu registers are mapped in ram
2016-12-04T09:26:35 < dongs> thats how you can debug/read them out over swim
2016-12-04T09:34:56 < dongs> ok measured and code-calculated wait time is like 25-30ms at 115200. matches with the size of data transmitted
2016-12-04T09:35:00 < dongs> so hmm wtf makes it slow
2016-12-04T09:39:48 < dongs> 550us for SPI flash read, so thats not a bottleneck either
2016-12-04T09:39:49 < dongs> HMM.
2016-12-04T09:51:52 < dongs> not updating i2c display every 256 bytes: helps
2016-12-04T09:52:01 < dongs> now doing 30k/sec
2016-12-04T09:52:02 < dongs> k
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2016-12-04T10:12:33 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prPDSdj0bHA
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2016-12-04T10:51:48 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/AmuseChimp/status/771797462767984641
2016-12-04T10:52:43 < ohsix> Your eBay Buyer Protection case is open. If you are unable to work things out with the seller, you are now eligible to escalate this case to eBay Customer Support for a final decision.
2016-12-04T10:52:45 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-04T10:52:52 < ohsix> at least ebay isn't slackin' there
2016-12-04T10:54:50 < ohsix> anyone wanna take a bet on ebay forcing the delivery instead of offering a refund? it is some shady shit and it's all in the refund record thing
2016-12-04T11:01:36 < jadew> they can't force anything
2016-12-04T11:01:53 < jadew> if the seller refuses to ship, they'll just reimburse you
2016-12-04T11:03:54 < ohsix> not going to debate the word 'force' ;]
2016-12-04T11:04:03 < ohsix> they have a reputation, the account does
2016-12-04T11:04:33 < ohsix> it's possible the remedy is just a refund per policy. but it can go the other way too, causing trouble for the vendor
2016-12-04T11:05:15 < ohsix> they've said they shipped it, too
2016-12-04T11:05:21 < jadew> I think they only care about feedback, can you still leave feedback if you got a refund?
2016-12-04T11:05:25 < jadew> I don't think you can
2016-12-04T11:05:46 < jadew> yeah, I had lots of crap that didn't make it
2016-12-04T11:06:32 < ohsix> yea you can
2016-12-04T11:06:37 < PaulFertser> jadew: but if the seller is telling it's out of stock and then they offer the same item for a higher price, isn't that a scam, and shouldn't ebay threaten to terminate the seller account?
2016-12-04T11:06:53 < ohsix> if not terminate, cause a bigger headache than i could have
2016-12-04T11:06:55 < jadew> PaulFertser, seems like a scam for sure :)
2016-12-04T11:07:21 < jadew> and yeah, they should be punished in some way
2016-12-04T11:07:52 < PaulFertser> That's what the cheap GPS module seller did.
2016-12-04T11:08:07 < jadew> my experience with refunds was always unpleasant in cases like that, but you usually get the refund before the item is marked as shipped
2016-12-04T11:08:12 < ohsix> ebay telling them to actually send the thing, and cover shipping w/ tracking or something is probably the best outcome, they aren't going to willing to do anything that 'serious'
2016-12-04T11:08:16 < jadew> which means that your feedback gets removed from their feedback list
2016-12-04T11:08:35 < jadew> I don't know what happens if the item is marked as shipped tho
2016-12-04T11:08:35 < ohsix> ya they marked the devices shipped after the second message i sent :>
2016-12-04T11:08:41 < ohsix> first message was 'o noes out of stock'
2016-12-04T11:09:20 < ohsix> guess there's no point in waiting
2016-12-04T11:09:59 < jadew> it's always up to the seller
2016-12-04T11:10:01 < PaulFertser> otoh, I'm not sure it makes sense to take advantage of him. Well, he made a stupid mistake, got plenty of orders that would clearly cause quite a loss for him. But all those ordering have are comparitively rich already, is it fair to try to punish some poor china fellow for an obvious mistake?
2016-12-04T11:10:08 < jadew> if it's a good seller, you'll get good service
2016-12-04T11:10:29 < jadew> if it's a crappy seller, don't expect anything less than the worst possible outcome
2016-12-04T11:10:35 < jadew> *anything more
2016-12-04T11:11:23 < jadew> what is this about?
2016-12-04T11:11:28 < jadew> did I miss part of the discussion?
2016-12-04T11:11:52 < ohsix> PaulFertser: oh considering what actually happened, it's a huge mistake for this person and sucks
2016-12-04T11:12:07 < ohsix> i'd be more sympathetic tho,  if there weren't shenanigans trying to obfuscate the mistake
2016-12-04T11:12:13 < jadew> let me guess, someone listed something for less than it's worth?
2016-12-04T11:12:20 < ohsix> yea
2016-12-04T11:12:29 < jadew> yeah, you'll get nothing
2016-12-04T11:12:30 < ohsix> 12$~ gps thing for quadcopters for 99c
2016-12-04T11:12:41 < jadew> neat
2016-12-04T11:12:44 < PaulFertser> ohsix: well, he could have kindly asked everybody to cancel the order... But it's unclear if it's a better outcome for him in the end.
2016-12-04T11:12:54 < ohsix> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=302113795477&view=all&tid=1311636911020
2016-12-04T11:13:09 < jadew> no longer available
2016-12-04T11:13:21 < jadew> I remember a couple of people already ordered them
2016-12-04T11:13:25 < jadew> anyone got any?
2016-12-04T11:19:02 < ohsix> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/google-tone/nnckehldicaciogcbchegobnafnjkcne
2016-12-04T11:19:10 < ohsix> jadew: none so far have told me they have
2016-12-04T11:19:50 < jadew> ohsix, then there's no point in hoping
2016-12-04T11:19:58 < jadew> just make sure the transaction gets closed properly
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2016-12-04T11:21:18 < jadew> again, not sure what happens if it's marked as shipped (for which they should be punished), but if your order gets refunded without marking it as such, it will figure as unpaid
2016-12-04T11:23:40 < jadew> any idea if the blurriness is added via postprocessing or they had to film it like that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDUjeR01wnU
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2016-12-04T11:31:33 < ohsix> vaseline on the lense used to be a thing
2016-12-04T11:32:04 < ohsix> you can see it has fine structure due 2 the glare on the broach or watever
2016-12-04T11:32:05 < jadew> ohsix, that's what it looks like, but I think they might have used some extra glass in front of the lens
2016-12-04T11:32:08 < jadew> so they could move it around
2016-12-04T11:32:17 < ohsix> pattern changes when they switch cameras too
2016-12-04T11:32:40 < jadew> well, it could also be added during the editing process I guess
2016-12-04T11:33:22 < jadew> for example when copying the clips
2016-12-04T11:33:26 < ohsix> nah
2016-12-04T11:33:49 < ohsix> the diffraction means it's something weird
2016-12-04T11:34:03 < jadew> but yeah, it looks like it might have been added via dirty glass, which is why I asked
2016-12-04T11:34:05 < ohsix> and you don't get diffraction like that when you do it in 2d
2016-12-04T11:34:09 < ohsix> yea it was
2016-12-04T11:34:23 < ohsix> dirty glass or something scuffed up with really fine scratches
2016-12-04T11:36:07 < jadew> on the other hand, the image quality is great
2016-12-04T11:37:48 < jadew> vs this for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsYJyVEUaC4
2016-12-04T11:41:41 < jadew> songs were really short back then
2016-12-04T11:42:32 < ohsix> ebay crap http://i.imgur.com/gggLW6P.png http://i.imgur.com/mLwy3Ez.png
2016-12-04T11:43:14 < ohsix> jadew: ya shot on film 
2016-12-04T11:43:34 < ohsix> hard to tell on the second one if it was ever film or video
2016-12-04T11:44:17 < ohsix> there's a very specific type of glare from a vidicon tube that suggests it wasn't recorded to video though D:
2016-12-04T11:44:20 < jadew> ohsix, ah, so they chose to mark it as sent and then wait for you to file for a refund?
2016-12-04T11:44:48 < jadew> ohsix, the second clip?
2016-12-04T11:44:51 < ohsix> well, to bluff about it being shipped
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2016-12-04T11:45:40 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAb1qpXoXck
2016-12-04T11:45:50 < ohsix> vidicon streaking from low dynamic range in dat sensor
2016-12-04T11:46:35 < jadew> heh, I guess it was cheaper
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2016-12-04T11:52:35 < ohsix> yea, video made stuff so inexpensive
2016-12-04T11:52:56 < ohsix> you can record over intermediates and there isn't necessarily a reason to store anything
2016-12-04T11:53:22 < ohsix> with film you have a thing that you will consider not throwing out
2016-12-04T11:58:10 < sync> upgrdman: use tvs over the fets
2016-12-04T11:58:30 < upgrdman> sync, protecting the drains?
2016-12-04T11:58:38 < sync> yes
2016-12-04T11:58:46 < upgrdman> i dont think the gates were abused
2016-12-04T11:58:47 < upgrdman> ok
2016-12-04T12:10:25 < ohsix> outie 5000
2016-12-04T12:10:37 < ohsix> abuse them gates
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2016-12-04T12:31:13 < dongs> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/23/apple-patent-flip-phone-iphone-oled-screen-clamshell- haha
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2016-12-04T13:42:54 < Steffanx> PaulFertser ordered those modules too?
2016-12-04T13:51:56 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no, I didn't.
2016-12-04T13:52:29 < Steffanx> Then you have some very good sources for your intel :D
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2016-12-04T13:55:15 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: do you not agree with my opinion that it's kinda unfair to try to take advantage of that mistake? 
2016-12-04T13:56:00 < Steffanx> I do, but i'll keep him busy for a bit. And he'll get the negative reflow.
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2016-12-04T14:00:18 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, imho that is a fair thing for being a liar :P 
2016-12-04T14:01:40 < dongs> you try being a chinaman trying to make ends meet, saving every $0.01 when possible
2016-12-04T14:01:55 < dongs> then you'll know if its nice to fuck with people like that or not
2016-12-04T14:02:33 < dongs> thats just like getting a 50" TV for $15 because some shithead at the store mistyped the price, are you gonna keep demanding they send it to you despite it being obvious fucking mistake?
2016-12-04T14:03:16 < Steffanx> He should've have been honest, that's all dongs. 
2016-12-04T14:03:30 < dongs> the dude probably has 1k customers a day
2016-12-04T14:03:45 < dongs> i'm prety sure if he had time to personalyl deal with  your shit, he would have
2016-12-04T14:03:48 < dongs> and been more "honest"
2016-12-04T14:04:10 < Steffanx> I don't give a damn.
2016-12-04T14:05:58 < Steffanx> He still got his money. ;)
2016-12-04T14:06:12 < Steffanx> So in the end he should be happy.
2016-12-04T14:06:57 < Steffanx> And screwing people over is something i learned from you mr dongs.
2016-12-04T14:07:38 < Steffanx> nah not screwing over, being annoying, keeping them busy and ..
2016-12-04T14:08:33 < Steffanx> Anyway, the case is closed and i cannot give him a negative review anyway.
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2016-12-04T14:11:09 < stvn> ih
2016-12-04T14:11:56 < Steffanx> elloh
2016-12-04T14:14:13 < stvn> hi friend
2016-12-04T14:17:27 < stvn> where is englishman 
2016-12-04T14:32:21 < dongs> Steffanx: ebay has a refund procedure for things not received
2016-12-04T14:34:09 < Steffanx> Yep, sure. It's already resolved.
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2016-12-04T14:49:50 < dongs> hmm
2016-12-04T14:49:55 < dongs> i see how HAL does timeout
2016-12-04T14:49:57 < dongs> maybe I should do same
2016-12-04T14:50:09 < dongs> bootloader backchats are quite small anyway
2016-12-04T14:51:00 < stvn> this is just mickey mouse
2016-12-04T14:51:10 < dongs> tickstart? more like dickstart
2016-12-04T14:51:20 < stvn> yup
2016-12-04T14:52:22 < stvn> Laurenceb_ is still +q
2016-12-04T14:52:39 < dongs> prettysure blacktronics was him
2016-12-04T14:52:41 < dongs> the other day
2016-12-04T14:52:53 < stvn> hah
2016-12-04T14:53:02  * blacktronics stumbles through the door
2016-12-04T14:53:07 < blacktronics> what?
2016-12-04T14:53:29 < dongs> https://github.com/metabr/stm32-nucleo-f401re-basic-template/blob/master/Drivers/STM32F4xx_HAL_Driver/Src/stm32f4xx_hal_usart.c#L1445
2016-12-04T14:53:37 < dongs> what the actual fuck
2016-12-04T14:54:05 < dongs> all that duplicated code to check flag either set or reset?
2016-12-04T14:54:13 < blacktronics> dongs: what was i
2016-12-04T14:54:31 < Steffanx> Does that even work properly when HAL_GetTick overflows and stuff?
2016-12-04T14:54:31 < dongs> why not just pass teh fucking 'Status' var to the while loop!?
2016-12-04T14:54:37 < dongs> well, its unsigned so yea
2016-12-04T14:54:43 < blacktronics> I can not figure out what you are even talking about dongs 
2016-12-04T14:54:46 < blacktronics> why did you ping me
2016-12-04T14:55:09 < dongs> uint overflow handles properly.
2016-12-04T14:55:44 < blacktronics> i think you are thinking of a different person
2016-12-04T14:55:59 < dongs> the only thing im thinking of right now is a big black cock
2016-12-04T14:56:17 < dongs> and how terrible that ST code is
2016-12-04T14:56:23 < Steffanx> Hmmm, can't this code also lead to some unexpected (shorter) timeout?
2016-12-04T14:56:48 < blacktronics> My day ended with me throwing the L476RG into my random crap box and going out clubbing instead 
2016-12-04T14:56:48 < stvn> looks filthy
2016-12-04T14:56:55 < Steffanx> oh, i think i read it work.
2016-12-04T14:57:27 < dongs> Timeout is fixed.
2016-12-04T14:57:31 < dongs> they're just comparing against it once.
2016-12-04T14:57:41 < Steffanx> Yeah, it's the correct way.
2016-12-04T14:57:52 < dongs> if timeout is zero, it just falls into timeout directly
2016-12-04T15:00:12 < Steffanx> I better not think out loud again. :P
2016-12-04T15:00:27 < stvn> tec2
2016-12-04T15:00:49 < Steffanx> duckface stvn?
2016-12-04T15:01:10 < stvn> ducks mate
2016-12-04T15:01:38 < stvn> get him back
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2016-12-04T15:49:17 < karlp> weird, arduino ide running, alt-tab doesn't work.
2016-12-04T15:49:23 < karlp> good job swalloing keys there
2016-12-04T15:50:56 < gjm> Looks like Ubuntu.
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2016-12-04T15:55:21 < dongs> loltab
2016-12-04T15:56:54 < Fleck> works here
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2016-12-04T16:25:45 < Tectu> that !@#$%^&* moment when your underlying framework allows you to store 8 custom flags but you need 9
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2016-12-04T16:26:55 < Steffanx> Change type from uint8 to uint16
2016-12-04T16:27:31 < dongs> store them in xml
2016-12-04T16:28:36 < Tectu> lol
2016-12-04T16:28:56 < dongs> bit storage in XML is a real game changer
2016-12-04T16:29:06 < dongs> im surprise you haven't gotten into that yet
2016-12-04T16:30:28 < Tectu> underlying framework doesn't do xml bro
2016-12-04T16:31:19 < Steffanx> Is it open source?
2016-12-04T16:39:35 < Tectu> not really
2016-12-04T16:39:44 < Tectu> but the sources are open
2016-12-04T16:40:10 < dongs> uguuGfx: not really open
2016-12-04T16:41:23 < Tectu> looks pretty open to me: https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX
2016-12-04T16:42:19 < englishman> bonus for not being on sjwhub
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2016-12-04T16:54:05 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/LE2ukJ41.html does t his look ok
2016-12-04T17:03:04 < Steffanx> i guess.
2016-12-04T17:05:18 < Tectu> .tv domain, there's your problem
2016-12-04T17:05:21 < Tectu> better bcas.io
2016-12-04T17:06:02 < dongs> i would register uguufx.io but I don't have $100 a year to throw away on shit i cant monetize
2016-12-04T17:06:26 < Tectu> I can put it on the budget for 2017 if you like
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2016-12-04T17:57:00 < ReadErr>  4the.lol
2016-12-04T17:57:09 < ReadErr> one day this will be worth tens of dollars
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2016-12-04T18:08:27 < Rob235> how strong is super glue?
2016-12-04T18:09:00 < Steffanx> Never tried to glue your fingers together with that stuff?
2016-12-04T18:09:33 < Rob235> if you have a set of blinds for your window and the top plastic bar cracks 3-4" from the end you pull with the string, will supergluing the bar back together be strong enough? I'm guessing I need some reinforcement
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2016-12-04T18:10:54 < Rob235> and haha no I haven't, I've gotten some on my fingers before and I know its the skin you end up peeling off but I don't know how strong it actually is
2016-12-04T18:12:37 < Rob235> I guess I'll let it cure for another day or two and then just try putting some force into cracking it off.  if it snaps off then I have my answer
2016-12-04T18:13:42 < Steffanx> it'll probably snap of when you do that.
2016-12-04T18:13:52 < Rob235> I was just thinking that too
2016-12-04T18:13:57 < Rob235> maybe I should just reinforce it off the bat
2016-12-04T18:14:11 < Rob235> I wish I had some like erector set pieces :)
2016-12-04T18:15:19 < Rob235> I would replace it but I'm moving out of this place in a few months
2016-12-04T18:16:00 < englishman> Steffanx: how did the guy 'get your money'
2016-12-04T18:16:05 < englishman> i got refunded within 24hr
2016-12-04T18:16:09 < englishman> as it was obvious mistake
2016-12-04T18:16:31 < englishman> same with some other chinese selling fake usb keys
2016-12-04T18:16:43 < englishman> got money back in <24hr and still left negative feedback
2016-12-04T18:17:32 < Rob235> not sure what you're referring to but did they try to cancel the order claiming you ordered it by mistake?
2016-12-04T18:17:57 < englishman> no
2016-12-04T18:18:05 < englishman> 'out of stock' same runaround
2016-12-04T18:18:18 < englishman> so i said yes refund immediately, done, affair closed
2016-12-04T18:19:26 < Rob235> last time that happened to me, it was neo-m8n gps things, the guy tried to cancel the order claiming I ordered it by mistake.  If I agreed to it, it would have voided my right to leave negative feedback.  I commented on that sneaky shit in the negative review...
2016-12-04T18:19:37 < Steffanx> Hah, that's what it's all about.
2016-12-04T18:19:55 < englishman> has dongs fully switched to HAL yet
2016-12-04T18:20:12 < dongs> no
2016-12-04T18:20:38 < englishman> missing out
2016-12-04T18:21:37 < dongs> my code isnt 200k with empty main()
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2016-12-04T18:21:42 < dongs> so thats about the only thing im missing out
2016-12-04T18:21:58 < englishman> neither is mine
2016-12-04T18:22:05 < englishman> btw do you have to flash entire 512k?
2016-12-04T18:22:21 < dongs> on what? that vid? no, it flashes only whats stored, around 330k
2016-12-04T18:22:26 < englishman> ah k
2016-12-04T18:23:23 < Rob235> dongs: you use stdPeriph right?
2016-12-04T18:24:03 < dongs> i use what works
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2016-12-04T18:24:23 < Rob235> that's not an answer hah
2016-12-04T18:28:41 < dongs> well, i havent had the privilege of doing shit with hal
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2016-12-04T18:59:34 < Laurenceb_> blerg
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2016-12-04T19:06:33 < ReadErr> sPeRgE sQuAd
2016-12-04T19:08:42 < Kliment> Anyone have a working generic HID example based on either HAL or libopencm3 that works on Windows?
2016-12-04T19:11:14 < dongs> huh
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2016-12-04T19:11:20 < dongs> my code just went into debugmonhandler
2016-12-04T19:11:22 < dongs> wtf is that
2016-12-04T19:12:17 < Kliment> dongs: Smells of semihosting to me
2016-12-04T19:13:54 < Kliment> dongs: ah, no, it's a breakpoint
2016-12-04T19:14:28 < Kliment> dongs: Is this an F101?
2016-12-04T19:14:47 < dongs> same 103.
2016-12-04T19:14:55 < dongs> only hapepend while iw as dicking around with the jtag connector
2016-12-04T19:14:56 < Kliment> Oh yeah, 103 is affected too
2016-12-04T19:14:59 < dongs> maybe just a weird bad connection
2016-12-04T19:15:07 < Kliment> It's listed in the limitations
2016-12-04T19:15:25 < Kliment> basically, this happens when you have a breakpoint hit while you're processing another breakpoint
2016-12-04T19:15:58 < Kliment> Very possible due to a connection glitch
2016-12-04T19:25:29 < englishman> sure i have some hid shit i made yesteday
2016-12-04T19:25:33 < englishman> was super easy with HAL
2016-12-04T19:25:35 < englishman> like 5mins
2016-12-04T19:25:54 < englishman> maybe 10 because i had to change info struct length
2016-12-04T19:27:14 < englishman> no what's it called
2016-12-04T19:27:18 < englishman> payload descriptor
2016-12-04T19:27:30 < englishman> also used that tool from usb.org to make the descriptor
2016-12-04T19:28:07 < englishman> REPORT descriptor that's it
2016-12-04T19:35:33 < dongs> so is there a pro way to run SPI RX DMA without having to run a dummy TX one at same time
2016-12-04T19:36:27 < dongs> im actaully getting pauses between each byte cuz i guess DMA contention or whatever
2016-12-04T19:36:41 < Kliment> dongs: SPI is symmetric
2016-12-04T19:36:47 < dongs> im aware
2016-12-04T19:37:02 < Kliment> dongs: I don't think the DMA controller is smart enough to ignore one stream
2016-12-04T19:37:16 < dongs> it certainly seems that way
2016-12-04T19:39:56 < englishman> why does it have to be symmetric?
2016-12-04T19:40:23 < dongs> ?
2016-12-04T19:40:48 < dongs> if youre master, you make the clock and clock out tx bits and clock in rx bits on same edge
2016-12-04T19:40:49 < englishman> spi
2016-12-04T19:40:59 < dongs> so to "receive" you have to "transmit"
2016-12-04T19:41:07 < englishman> sure, why not master and rx only or 3-wire master
2016-12-04T19:41:32 < dongs> cuz i actually have to rx/tx on both ends
2016-12-04T19:42:05 < dongs> im using regular polling shit for setup and then DMA 4K blocks
2016-12-04T19:42:19 < dongs> rx on spi1 and tx on spi2
2016-12-04T19:42:21 < Kliment> englishman: Can I see your code?
2016-12-04T19:42:39 < dongs> bedtime. im mostly just jerking off over waht already only takes like 5 seconds
2016-12-04T19:42:39 < englishman> no, nda
2016-12-04T19:42:51 < dongs> which is copying ~1.3megs of spi flash
2016-12-04T19:43:23 < Kliment> englishman: Aww, too bad. I'm mostly interested in a generic HID descriptor that works
2016-12-04T19:43:37 < englishman> there's a tool to make usb descriptors on usb.orh
2016-12-04T19:43:37 < englishman> org
2016-12-04T19:43:45 < englishman> i dono if there's a 'generic' one
2016-12-04T19:43:48 < Kliment> englishman: I have working structured ones for keyboard, mouse, joystick
2016-12-04T19:44:02 < Kliment> englishman: Generic means it just sends raw report packets
2016-12-04T19:44:12 < Kliment> englishman: As opposed to any standard device
2016-12-04T19:44:37 < englishman> ok
2016-12-04T19:44:37 < englishman> ?
2016-12-04T19:44:44 < englishman> i dont see the problem
2016-12-04T19:44:46 < Kliment> englishman: And yeah, I have the usb.org tool and made several with it, but I can't get any of the generic ones to work on windows
2016-12-04T19:45:26 < englishman> #define SPI_DIRECTION_2LINES_RXONLY
2016-12-04T19:45:27 < englishman> dongs: 
2016-12-04T19:45:28 < englishman> in hal
2016-12-04T19:47:54 < Kliment> englishman: It's a windows issue, not a USB/HID issue
2016-12-04T19:48:11 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/xz06c4X.png
2016-12-04T19:48:18 < englishman> havent you been complaining about this for a while
2016-12-04T19:48:19 < Kliment> englishman: So I was hoping to find an example of a working setup so I wouldn't have to track down wtf windows wants
2016-12-04T19:48:34 < Kliment> englishman: No, but a closely related thing
2016-12-04T19:48:51 < englishman> keyboard, mouse, joystick these are all generic descriptors
2016-12-04T19:49:03 < englishman> sounds like you need to read some windows documentation
2016-12-04T19:49:10 < englishman> unline lunix it's not all forum posts
2016-12-04T19:49:22 < Kliment> englishman: Yeah, I guess generic is the wrong word. I mean unstructured/raw HID
2016-12-04T19:49:53 < Kliment> englishman: Windows has a driver for that, and it provides full reports to the application
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2016-12-04T19:50:28 < Kliment> englishman: But it seems to like some descriptors and not others, and I can't find any actual documentation on what the difference is
2016-12-04T19:50:42 < Kliment> englishman: It's supposed to accept any valid descriptor
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2016-12-04T20:40:14 < Laurenceb_> yo dawg I herd you like fake news
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2016-12-04T20:51:19 < Kliment> Laurenceb_: no, we don't, but I hear you like fake dogs https://imgur.com/gallery/92FKT
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2016-12-04T21:17:29 < Rob235> damnit, website banned me again
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2016-12-04T21:31:51 < Steffanx> ?
2016-12-04T21:32:27 < Rob235> downloading box art for roms from some site, they keep banning me for using a image downloader or something
2016-12-04T21:35:28 < englishman> which is exactly what youre doing right
2016-12-04T21:36:05 < Rob235> yea thats what I meant hah. That's what I'm doing so I'm assuming it's the reason I'm getting banned
2016-12-04T21:36:20 < Rob235> but I got everything I need.  Just had to use vpn for last part
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2016-12-04T21:45:21 < kakimir> gmail underminds my personal shit with it's important field thing
2016-12-04T21:46:43 < kakimir> also bills.. not relevant
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2016-12-04T22:02:37 < kakimir> any innovations today?
2016-12-04T22:03:25 < Kliment> "InternalPropertyChange: configuredPin OLD value:Don't care / NEW value:Never Mind"
2016-12-04T22:03:34 < Kliment> (That's from CubeMX)
2016-12-04T22:03:46 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/mRxUFq0.jpg
2016-12-04T22:04:10 < kakimir> I pasted some old keyboard photo a while back
2016-12-04T22:04:27 < kakimir> it had "Don't care" button
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2016-12-04T22:09:18 < aandrew> upgrdman: wow.
2016-12-04T22:09:42 < upgrdman> :)
2016-12-04T22:11:37 < Steffanx> Since when the STM32F4DISCOVERY is obsolete and what is it replaced with?
2016-12-04T22:11:47 < aandrew> probably some nucleo
2016-12-04T22:12:10 < Steffanx> oh it's renamed.
2016-12-04T22:13:13 < Steffanx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Core407V-STM32F407VET6-STM32-Cortex-M4-Development-Board-Mainboard-Module-Kit-/142124645773 doesn't even look that bad imho. 
2016-12-04T22:32:57 < __rob> anyone able to recommend a quality multimeter thats not going to empty my bank account
2016-12-04T22:33:04 < __rob> so sick of my current £10 ebay one
2016-12-04T22:39:22 < qyx> if you want something cheaper and still usable, you can try UNI-T for example
2016-12-04T22:40:52 < qyx> I have UT61B, reasonable quality and cheap
2016-12-04T22:42:22 < qyx> or I use flukes, but those are more $
2016-12-04T22:42:46 < Thorn> brymen bm867s/869s
2016-12-04T22:46:19 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/w2x29pkv4b1y.png
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2016-12-04T22:53:31 < PaulFertser> Kliment: may I ask you some questions regarding BLE and Bluez?
2016-12-04T22:56:23 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Sure, though I'm about to head to bed soon
2016-12-04T22:58:14 < Kliment> PaulFertser: The source code of hcitool and gatttool are super super useful references for how things work
2016-12-04T22:58:54 < Kliment> PaulFertser: The Adafruit BLE library is another no less useful reference
2016-12-04T22:59:35 < upgrdman> http://gifyu.com/images/67377cd.gif
2016-12-04T23:01:09 < dekar> __rob, I heard Extech EX330 is good value. I'd rather buy some used meter, though. Got my Fluke 87iii for around 80USD on eBay, including shipping to Europe.
2016-12-04T23:02:28 < PaulFertser> Kliment: my problem is that bluetoothctl connects fine but gatttool doesn't
2016-12-04T23:02:55 < Kliment> PaulFertser: What are you connecting to?
2016-12-04T23:02:56 < PaulFertser> Kliment: and I'm looking for something interactive to check attributes and such without extra programming. Also, DFU updaters I find all use gatttool.
2016-12-04T23:03:39 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Can you check if it works if you set the address of the device to all-FFs
2016-12-04T23:03:58 < PaulFertser> Kliment: hm, I can probably try. What do you have in mind?
2016-12-04T23:04:12 < Kliment> PaulFertser: It might be a gatttool bug
2016-12-04T23:04:31 < Kliment> PaulFertser: I recall seeing this before
2016-12-04T23:04:34 < PaulFertser> I wonder how come neither gatttool nor "hcitool lecc" work while bluetoothctl works. I've tried with two different kernel versions.
2016-12-04T23:05:00 < Kliment> Are you using latest bluez?
2016-12-04T23:05:09 < Kliment> Kernel version doesn't actually matter here
2016-12-04T23:05:18 < Kliment> the kernel just exposes an hci interface
2016-12-04T23:05:19 < PaulFertser> Kliment: 5.43.
2016-12-04T23:06:22 < PaulFertser> Kliment: I know bluetoothctl talks to bluetoothd to perform actions while hcitool works directly. And hcitool and gatttool do not work (in fact, I had gatttool working once after playing with bluetoothctl but I couldn't reproduce it).
2016-12-04T23:06:36 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Please try the all-FF address. It might be the same bug I'm remembering
2016-12-04T23:07:01 < PaulFertser> Kliment: did you find any reference to it, was it reported?
2016-12-04T23:07:53 < Kliment> PaulFertser: No, I haven't had time to investigate it yet
2016-12-04T23:08:14 < Kliment> PaulFertser: But I was seeing the same fail to connect from gatttool
2016-12-04T23:08:23 < Kliment> While my own code worked fine
2016-12-04T23:09:19 < PaulFertser> Kliment: were you trying with bluetoothctl too?
2016-12-04T23:09:38 < Kliment> No. What commands did you use with bluetoothctl, I can try now
2016-12-04T23:09:51 < Kliment> actually, no, I need to sleep, I can try tomorrow :)
2016-12-04T23:10:03 < PaulFertser> Kliment: should I set bt host address or device's address to all FFs?
2016-12-04T23:10:07 < Kliment> device
2016-12-04T23:10:11 < PaulFertser> Kliment: ok, thanks a lot
2016-12-04T23:10:20 < PaulFertser> Kliment: see you tomorrow, good night, sleep well :)
2016-12-04T23:10:25 < Kliment> :)
2016-12-04T23:11:48 < Steffanx> brymen looks pretty nice actually Thorn.
2016-12-04T23:11:57 < Steffanx> i know you mentioned it before, but never look into it.
2016-12-04T23:28:49 < ohsix> https://boingboing.net/2016/12/04/crooks-can-guess-visa-card-det.html
2016-12-04T23:29:02 < ohsix> Steffanx: ebay, escalated last night, expecting nothin gmore than refund
2016-12-04T23:29:53 < ReadErr> what did all yall get scammed on?
2016-12-04T23:30:08 < ohsix> yep they refunded
2016-12-04T23:30:13 < ohsix> ReadErr: those gps mislisted crap
2016-12-04T23:30:36 < ReadErr> how cheap?
2016-12-04T23:30:44 < BrainDamage> ReadErr: life, i want my money back
2016-12-04T23:30:44 < ohsix> 99c
2016-12-04T23:30:50 < ohsix> i get to leave feedback still
2016-12-04T23:30:52 < ohsix> :>
2016-12-04T23:31:37 < ReadErr> BrainDamage: lifes a bitch with a strong pimp, best b eazy
2016-12-04T23:33:21 < ohsix> http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=smile1399&myworld=true&items=25&iid=-1&de=off&which=negative&interval=365
2016-12-04T23:33:23 < ohsix> oh shit
2016-12-04T23:33:28 < ohsix> there are other people in there already LUL
2016-12-04T23:33:59 < ohsix> even with 'cancelled sale, relisted twice price'
2016-12-04T23:37:40 < ohsix> drama bomb
2016-12-04T23:38:45 < ReadErr> lol they was prolly about to burn that account anyways
2016-12-04T23:39:44 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/OROUTBACK411/status/805446495080095744
2016-12-04T23:39:49 < ohsix> bbl going to get some road cheese
2016-12-04T23:40:10 < ReadErr> cavecheese
2016-12-04T23:40:43 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/CentralORScan/status/805447615462588416
2016-12-04T23:40:49 < ohsix> lul this guy was cool before the election
2016-12-04T23:40:53 < ohsix> now he's a saddo
2016-12-04T23:42:26 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/mycoolaugustine/status/805240612890951680
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2016-12-05T00:00:07 < ohsix> http://abovethelaw.com/2016/12/city-attorney-spraying-anti-trump-graffiti-while-drinking-wine-is-all-we-have-left/
2016-12-05T00:08:43 < [7]> wtf
2016-12-05T00:09:09 < [7]> microSD card keeps drawing 20-25mA while it's supposed to be sleeping
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2016-12-05T00:12:43 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/BradWenzel/status/805353616395669505
2016-12-05T00:13:10 < ohsix> [7]: sleep how, like sent sleep command?
2016-12-05T00:13:35 < [7]> is there such a thing? I think they're supposed to go to sleep if you don't talk to them for a few milliseconds
2016-12-05T00:18:24 < ohsix> there is a thing, i think; but in general the controllers for flash devices will stay awake and do some book keeping
2016-12-05T00:19:00 < [7]> microSD cards are supposed to draw <250µA IIRC if they haven't been accessed for a while
2016-12-05T00:20:35 < ohsix> so much tweeter
2016-12-05T00:20:37 < ohsix> eh
2016-12-05T00:20:59 < ohsix> if they're supposed to do that, then there will be a time qualification for 'a while', and lots more
2016-12-05T00:21:20 < ohsix> i don't remember seeing any power envelope vs. time stuff, just general
2016-12-05T00:24:41 < ohsix> Waiting for sdcard.org
2016-12-05T00:24:45 < ohsix> they're not so fast
2016-12-05T00:25:12 < [7]> if the card would constantly be drawing 25mA in your phone, that would kill the battery rather quickly
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2016-12-05T00:33:23 < [7]> how does the SPI master behave if it doesn't send anything? what level is mosi? floating? high? low? last state?
2016-12-05T00:34:36 < KreAture_> 7 the power handling is configurable on sd cards
2016-12-05T00:34:43 < KreAture_> you tell the card how to behave
2016-12-05T00:34:55 < KreAture_> This is usefull if you know you need low responsetime
2016-12-05T00:35:03 < [7]> and how do I do that?
2016-12-05T00:35:14 < KreAture_> You also have pre-commands to tell it that soon there will be a large write
2016-12-05T00:35:23 < KreAture_> They help cards prepare areas 
2016-12-05T00:35:44 < [7]> yes, I know about pre-erase, but not about any other power control stuff, at least not in SPI mode
2016-12-05T00:35:49 < KreAture_> I did have a quite large doc once of all the commands for a somewhat older version
2016-12-05T00:36:40 < ohsix> why would spi mode be any different
2016-12-05T00:37:21 < [7]> sometimes it is... a bit of stuff isn't applicable there
2016-12-05T00:38:26 < ohsix> oh er, that was a question not an accusation
2016-12-05T00:38:27 < zyp> [7], usually it's last state, since it's technically valid until next clock edge
2016-12-05T00:38:59 < [7]> I could have sworn that I saw that floating a while ago, but right now it seems to behave like it's last state
2016-12-05T00:39:21 < [7]> btw, zyp, what's your opinion on my SPI fifo chaos thing?
2016-12-05T00:39:45 < [7]> I write a byte to DR, it generates 8 clocks, but clocks out data from 16 bits earlier
2016-12-05T00:40:05 < [7]> only way to recover seems to be asserting the corresponding APB peripheral reset bit
2016-12-05T00:40:30 < [7]> IMO that kind of thing is a hardware bug by definition
2016-12-05T00:40:42 < zyp> did you forget FRXTH or whatever that bit was called?
2016-12-05T00:40:52 < [7]> shouldn't matter for TX, but I set that to 1
2016-12-05T00:40:53 < ohsix> huhu GO_IDLE0
2016-12-05T00:40:56 < zyp> which part is this?
2016-12-05T00:40:59 < [7]> f072
2016-12-05T00:41:19 < [7]> I still haven't fully understood what triggers it, it's quite hard to reproduce
2016-12-05T00:41:25 < ohsix> does errata say anything about it?
2016-12-05T00:41:29 < Laurenceb_> A E S T H E T I C S
2016-12-05T00:41:32 < [7]> haven't found anything related in the errata
2016-12-05T00:41:43 < [7]> some SPI things, but nothing that involves a FIFO offset or something like that
2016-12-05T00:42:00 < [7]> it only seems to occur if I do 16 bit packed writes
2016-12-05T00:42:03 < ohsix> st application engineer dudes might know about ti
2016-12-05T00:42:31 < [7]> and only if some other, seemingly completely unrelated, code runs while the DMA pushes packed bytes
2016-12-05T00:43:01 < zyp> idk, not awake enough to think
2016-12-05T00:43:18 < zyp> hmm
2016-12-05T00:43:27 < zyp> are you changing cpol/cpha at any point?
2016-12-05T00:43:27 < KreAture_> 7 most cards support automatic sleep/suspend and resume but it varies a lot how deep they sleep and what current they then draw
2016-12-05T00:43:45 < [7]> both always set to 0 (or at least supposed to)
2016-12-05T00:43:49 < zyp> okay
2016-12-05T00:44:02 < zyp> I had the periph making weird 12-bit writes once
2016-12-05T00:44:17 < zyp> caused by changing those without disabling SPE first
2016-12-05T00:44:19 < [7]> I can't think of any case where SPI is supposed to clock out old bits though, *and then stop clocking after that*, before sending what I actually wrote
2016-12-05T00:44:42 < zyp> shouldn't, sounds like the fifo gets out of sync
2016-12-05T00:44:57 < [7]> the only thing that I'm doing that I'm aware of might not be fully spec compliant is keeping TX/RX dma enabled on the SPI while writing directly to DR (but with the DMA channels disabled)
2016-12-05T00:45:25 < [7]> the offset also seems to always be exactly 16 bits
2016-12-05T00:45:32 < zyp> I wouldn't think that would matter
2016-12-05T00:46:02 < zyp> have you checked FTLVL?
2016-12-05T00:46:03 < karlp> if you're going to own 4the.lol, at least put a lol there,
2016-12-05T00:46:09 < karlp> not "welcome to nginx on fedora!"
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2016-12-05T00:46:47 < [7]> FTLVL and FRLVL are zero
2016-12-05T00:47:08 < [7]> saving the SPI's config regs, resetting it, and restoring the config regs fixes it
2016-12-05T00:47:08 < zyp> right, so it thinks it's empty but got two bytes of old data in it
2016-12-05T00:47:44 < [7]> yeah it's like it's fifo status counter is off by 2 bytes, but the write pointer did actually increment
2016-12-05T00:47:48 < zyp> I bet the fifo is a ringbuffer or something with separate read/write indices and count
2016-12-05T00:47:59 < [7]> I've also had a case where DMA supposedly wrote 32 bytes and only got 30 bytes back
2016-12-05T00:48:00 < zyp> and some shit you do gets the count out of sync with the indices
2016-12-05T00:48:02 < [7]> sounds related
2016-12-05T00:48:55 < zyp> so yeah, it's likely a silicon issue, but it might be triggered by you doing something weird
2016-12-05T00:49:35 < [7]> the thing is that this SPI code works correct thousands of times - until I start doing something completely different in parallel, which I was basically able to reduce to a loop doing nothing but calling sleep with small periods
2016-12-05T00:50:21 < [7]> so my pseudo-RTOS doing context switches (i.e. jumping in and out of an IRQ handler and switching stacks) seems to be somehow required to trigger this
2016-12-05T00:50:47 < zyp> timing issue, statistical chance to trigger in a given corner case
2016-12-05T00:50:52 < zyp> perhaps
2016-12-05T00:50:56 < zyp> that's my bet at least
2016-12-05T00:51:13 < [7]> works for tens of hours when not context switching, happens in milliseconds when context switching
2016-12-05T00:51:31 < [7]> I was thinking of it maybe being a system bus traffic thing (the context switch involves pushing lots of regs to the stack at once), but just a look that's hammering the stack doesn't seem to trigger it
2016-12-05T00:52:09 < [7]> I'm wondering if I should go through the effort of notifying ST about this :P
2016-12-05T00:52:11 < zyp> could be interrupt latency?
2016-12-05T00:52:20 < ohsix> heh gbatek has sd card documentation in it
2016-12-05T00:52:24 < ohsix> cuz it's in the dsi
2016-12-05T00:52:29 < ReadErr> https://youtu.be/jBqoH-qx-os?t=316
2016-12-05T00:52:32 < ReadErr> ohsix: lol
2016-12-05T00:52:38 < ReadErr> dutch people
2016-12-05T00:53:11 < [7]> zyp: hm the context switch might actually reduce interrupt latency by a bit... more opportunities for tail-chaining etc.
2016-12-05T00:53:19 < zyp> anyway, I'm off to bed
2016-12-05T00:53:27 < ohsix> karlp: wrong channel? (nginx)
2016-12-05T00:53:49 < ohsix> zyp: o/
2016-12-05T00:53:56 < [7]> have a good night :)
2016-12-05T00:54:41 < ohsix> ReadErr: was reading it cuz some of the sd doc commands looked familiar, like, from the nintendo ds cart protocol
2016-12-05T00:54:54 < ohsix> was looking to see if they were the same, or if they just used some in common
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2016-12-05T00:57:37 < karlp> ohsix: no, someone here said they had 4the.lols earlier.
2016-12-05T01:00:27 < ohsix> karlp: aaa
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2016-12-05T01:00:41 < ReadErr> karlp: oh ya its just going to some cuckedatcost server
2016-12-05T01:00:46 < ohsix> oh, a domain name
2016-12-05T01:01:11 < ReadErr> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
2016-12-05T01:01:11 < ReadErr> 4the.lol.		600	IN	A	127.0.0.
2016-12-05T01:01:12 < ReadErr> ;p
2016-12-05T01:01:25 < ReadErr> err +1 at the end
2016-12-05T01:01:34 < ReadErr> stop hitting yourself karlp 
2016-12-05T01:01:36 < ohsix> matthew garrett as xn--(punycode hammer & sickle).su
2016-12-05T01:01:43 < karlp> cuckedatcost?
2016-12-05T01:01:58 < ReadErr> cloudatcost
2016-12-05T01:04:24 < karlp> what do they mean, "one time"?
2016-12-05T01:04:31 < karlp> $7, that's it, you have a server forever?
2016-12-05T01:05:15 < karlp> wow, they really do mean, that's crazy
2016-12-05T01:06:04 < ReadErr> yea
2016-12-05T01:06:32 < ReadErr> its not the most stable thing 
2016-12-05T01:06:41 < ReadErr> filesystem goes readonly a bunch 
2016-12-05T01:06:45 < karlp> wat
2016-12-05T01:06:56 < [7]> hmm, well how long is "forever"?
2016-12-05T01:06:59 < ReadErr> but I treat em like prostitutes 
2016-12-05T01:07:01 < [7]> when will they just cease to exist?
2016-12-05T01:07:04 < ReadErr> until they go out of biz
2016-12-05T01:07:24  * [7] considers getting one as a backup for some other rather flaky one
2016-12-05T01:07:26 < karlp> so yeah, fine for hosting something short term for the lulz
2016-12-05T01:08:02 < ReadErr> I grab resources when it goes on sale
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2016-12-05T01:08:49 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2zbowTzo/cuckedatcost.png
2016-12-05T01:10:05 < [7]> $19.80 one time for 1TB cloud storage free traffic
2016-12-05T01:10:14  * [7] wonders what the access performance will be like
2016-12-05T01:10:40 < ReadErr> just gonna say this now so you dont get upset
2016-12-05T01:10:44 < ReadErr> its not a great service
2016-12-05T01:10:52 < ReadErr> if you have an issue they will ignore you etc
2016-12-05T01:11:10 < ReadErr> however it 'works'
2016-12-05T01:11:21 < [7]> I wouldn't expect anything else at that price
2016-12-05T01:11:22 < ReadErr> you can pxe install w/e you want too
2016-12-05T01:11:31 < [7]> but given that my current hoster ignores me as well and asks $10 per month...
2016-12-05T01:11:55 < ReadErr> https://cloudatcocks.com/index.php?title=Custom_OS
2016-12-05T01:12:04 < KreAture_> 7 I forgot to ask earlier, you do shut down the clock to the sd card right ?
2016-12-05T01:12:11 < [7]> I'd just need a way to auto-reroute things quickly if one or the other goes down for redundancy
2016-12-05T01:12:15 < KreAture_> 7 common mistake is to forget to do this
2016-12-05T01:12:25 < [7]> KreAture_: I'm only clocking it during transfers (SPI)
2016-12-05T01:12:41 < ReadErr> [7]: 'global load balancing' 
2016-12-05T01:12:44 < KreAture_> so the clock stops when not doing commands ?
2016-12-05T01:12:50 < ReadErr> fast dns basically is all it is
2016-12-05T01:12:51 < [7]> ReadErr: yes
2016-12-05T01:12:58 < englishman> karlp: thats exactly what cloudatcost is for
2016-12-05T01:13:10 < KreAture_> ok, just remember to activate clock correctly when restarting, but then it should auto sleep
2016-12-05T01:13:11 < englishman> some guy was running a honeypot targeting nsa etc.
2016-12-05T01:13:32 < KreAture_> 7 and maker sure the right pins are pulled up to keep bus at idle when waiting
2016-12-05T01:13:40 < ReadErr> ya or get on a box and just sperge out and get ddos'd 
2016-12-05T01:13:44 < karlp> englishman: sorry, what's it for exactly?
2016-12-05T01:13:46 < ReadErr> then delete it and make another
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2016-12-05T01:13:50 < [7]> the pricing is a bit odd though, it's like it gets more expensive exponentially - i.e. I'd get a dozen of the smallest ones and have a ton of IPs, rather than pay more and have less (total) with the bigger ones
2016-12-05T01:14:08 < englishman> karlp: low cost vps
2016-12-05T01:14:22 < englishman> i found it too shitty even for znc
2016-12-05T01:14:26 < KreAture_> 7 DAT1 and DAT2 is especially important to pull up
2016-12-05T01:14:31 < ReadErr> [7]: oh I have You Have 117 IP's (6 Used) (111 IP's Remaining)
2016-12-05T01:14:35 < englishman> but for dicking around and experiements, yeah its awesome
2016-12-05T01:14:37 < ReadErr> cant use them though
2016-12-05T01:14:47 < ReadErr> only 2 ips per server
2016-12-05T01:15:23 < karlp> storage is the hard thing
2016-12-05T01:15:25 < [7]> how did you manage to only use 6 if you apparently have 50+ servers?
2016-12-05T01:15:28 < karlp> they're compativie with glacier
2016-12-05T01:16:02 < englishman> cloudatcost?
2016-12-05T01:16:15 < englishman> i dono man
2016-12-05T01:16:17 < englishman> glacier is one thing
2016-12-05T01:16:31 < englishman> but some funky tech guy kombucha drinker in toronto
2016-12-05T01:16:35 < englishman> with "lifetime vps"
2016-12-05T01:16:41 < englishman> do what you want with your backups
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2016-12-05T01:17:04 < trollerror> sPeRgE sQuAd
2016-12-05T01:17:14 < englishman> ^ you can ddos this guy with 50kbps
2016-12-05T01:17:56 < [7]> "What is your SLA: CloudatCost provides a 99.99% uptime SLA. Any lost time is credited back to your account at a pro-rated amount for your monthly package."
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2016-12-05T01:18:20 < [7]> so effectively they can make your server 0% available if you don't pay monthly :P
2016-12-05T01:18:20 < karlp> englishman: I was more meaning, I've never seen anything even sort of come close to the price of glacier storage, and glacier is tedious and arcane pricing at best.
2016-12-05T01:18:38 < ReadErr> [7]: well gl getting them to do anything 
2016-12-05T01:18:53 < ReadErr> these servers here have actually been up a month almost
2016-12-05T01:18:57 < ReadErr> and not readonly yet
2016-12-05T01:19:05 < karlp> but like, my backups are ~1.2tb, so all the other "cloud backups" are just outrageously expensive
2016-12-05T01:19:10 < [7]> my current hoster is, guess what, 95% SLA :P
2016-12-05T01:19:14 < ReadErr> crashplan 
2016-12-05T01:19:35 < ReadErr> flat rate per year
2016-12-05T01:19:58 < [7]> or backblaze
2016-12-05T01:20:50 < englishman> karlp: currently i have a raid6 at office, and raid5 at home, that's two backup servers (plus original) at two sites, connected by site to site vpn, and syncthing, no monthly fees besides internet, imo this is a pretty cheap way to do it and you dont have to give all your info to some guy in a server room with 9 million other vps' to watch
2016-12-05T01:21:24 < karlp> yeah, I just have an external harddrive I leave at the office in case of fire at home.
2016-12-05T01:21:38 < karlp> paying $5/month covers new harddrives without any of the cloud bullshit
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2016-12-05T01:23:28 < [7]> ah, those cloudatcost prices are already including that 80% discount...
2016-12-05T01:24:15 < ReadErr> they go on sale all the time
2016-12-05T01:24:19 < ReadErr> i wouldnt pay full price
2016-12-05T01:24:35 < [7]> heh, are they always like 80% or usually less?
2016-12-05T01:27:32 < ReadErr> oh wait they are on sale now
2016-12-05T01:28:00 < ReadErr> u should add me as a referral ;)
2016-12-05T01:28:04 < ReadErr> so i get free shit 
2016-12-05T01:28:15 < ReadErr> 512mb of ram, hollaaa
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2016-12-05T01:29:46 < [7]> a server hosting ponzi scheme? :P
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2016-12-05T01:29:56 < karlp> most companies do referrals 7
2016-12-05T01:30:21 < ReadErr> this entire time I have been trying to sell you on a server, saying how bad they are
2016-12-05T01:30:27 < [7]> karlp: not in combination with one-time payments for a forever service
2016-12-05T01:30:29 < ReadErr> all for that extra bit of ram
2016-12-05T01:30:33 < ReadErr> best salesman ever
2016-12-05T01:34:11 < [7]> ReadErr: how does their referral system work? do you just get something per new customer, or actually per product that someone purchases? (and if the latter, does the bonus depend on the product?)
2016-12-05T01:34:22 < ReadErr> hah i have no idea
2016-12-05T01:34:32 < ReadErr> i think they just add stuff later
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2016-12-05T01:37:24 < ReadErr> hm wow a bunch of my boxes are up still
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2016-12-05T02:34:22 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/mi_ko33333/status/805550882657943552
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2016-12-05T02:57:17 < ReadErr> #peacesignfingers #wink #legkickedback #sojapgirl
2016-12-05T03:00:53 < stvn> \\\\\\\\\
2016-12-05T03:12:15 < [7]> oh noooo
2016-12-05T03:12:21 < [7]> that SPI behavior is back :/
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2016-12-05T03:31:51 < [7]> hahahaha
2016-12-05T03:32:01 < [7]> idle state of the MOSI line is the first bit of the *next* byte
2016-12-05T03:32:14 < [7]> ...or 4 bytes ago, if there is no new byte in the FIFO at that time :P
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2016-12-05T03:39:03 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen-cooled_turbo_generator
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2016-12-05T03:41:51 < [7]> now use liquid hydrogen instead and get rid of electrical resistance losses as well? :P
2016-12-05T03:42:58 < ohsix> i only found out these existed today, cuz of a bionerd video where a person talks about one exploding in chernobyl
2016-12-05T03:43:59 < ohsix> you still have eddy losses in the frame and shit that creates drag
2016-12-05T03:44:06 < ohsix> don't think the math works out
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2016-12-05T03:56:16 < stvn> gag
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2016-12-05T03:57:44 < Laurenceb_> we wuz romans fam
2016-12-05T03:58:51 < stvn> hi Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-05T03:59:46 < dongs> englishman: i know about rx only spi
2016-12-05T03:59:56 < dongs> englishman: i still need to talk both ways
2016-12-05T04:00:09 < dongs> before each 4k transfer.
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2016-12-05T04:08:46 < stvn> englishcatman
2016-12-05T04:35:38 < dongs> more like englishscatmat
2016-12-05T04:49:34 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwwkQLpHN_I lol
2016-12-05T04:50:22 < englishman> dongs: yeah but why not deinit and reinit spi in a mode more suitable for your needs
2016-12-05T04:50:36 < englishman> stvn: fresh dong pix
2016-12-05T04:51:02 < stvn> ty
2016-12-05T04:51:06 < dongs> englishman: yeah but .. that takes work. are you saying i can do master rx only?
2016-12-05T04:51:22 < englishman> dono, just flipped thru hal's helpfile
2016-12-05T04:51:30 < dongs> lol
2016-12-05T04:51:32 < englishman> i agree tho, work, meh
2016-12-05T04:51:35 < ohsix> with her consent i hope
2016-12-05T04:51:50 < englishman> stvn: http://i.imgur.com/QRFE3YE.jpg
2016-12-05T04:52:18 < stvn> nice one
2016-12-05T04:56:50 < ohsix> weird, dongs posted a video that nobody died in
2016-12-05T04:58:35 < ohsix> LOOOL
2016-12-05T04:58:43 < ohsix> dongs just jumped on drama in another channel
2016-12-05T05:08:07 < __rob> anyone use events over interrupts ?
2016-12-05T05:08:10 < __rob> wondering whats the point
2016-12-05T05:08:29 < __rob> just to get no information as to what caused it
2016-12-05T05:20:36 < ohsix> events over interrupts?
2016-12-05T05:20:54 < ohsix> not familiar with 'events' in that context, something from an rtos? or the concept of a software irq?
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2016-12-05T06:37:38 < ohsix> news is calling people that fall for the pizzagate stuff, 'victims'
2016-12-05T06:43:36 < stvn> trayvon martin
2016-12-05T06:46:33 < Thorn> diffing HAL versions is fun. they forgot TIM6_IRQHandler in the vector table in F0 HAL v1.6.0
2016-12-05T06:47:42 < ohsix> are you high
2016-12-05T06:47:44 < ohsix> why are you doing that
2016-12-05T06:48:04 < Thorn> but only for MDK-ARM
2016-12-05T06:48:07 < Thorn> poor dongs
2016-12-05T06:48:48 < ohsix> is there an #ifdef for it or is it only in the mdk cmsis repo version?
2016-12-05T06:49:23 < Thorn> different asm files for different toolchains
2016-12-05T06:49:32 < Thorn> because asm syntax is different
2016-12-05T06:49:34 < ohsix> ah
2016-12-05T06:49:37 < ohsix> yea i forgot
2016-12-05T06:49:53 < ohsix> cmsis 5 on github has the .c file system/startup and i've tried to forget everything else
2016-12-05T07:01:58 < englishman> lol Thorn 
2016-12-05T07:02:09 < Thorn> hal_SRCS := $(filter-out $(wildcard $(hal_SRC_PATH)/*_template.c),$(wildcard $(hal_SRC_PATH)/*.c))
2016-12-05T07:02:47 < stvn> :3
2016-12-05T07:03:01 < Thorn> tcl is [[]]
2016-12-05T07:03:24 < Thorn> gnu make:r
2016-12-05T07:03:32 < ohsix> :< oakland fire deaths cross 30 as they explore the building mroe
2016-12-05T07:03:56 < ohsix> Thorn: what prompted mentioning tcl?
2016-12-05T07:04:52 < Thorn> ohsix: <LeelooMinai> Let me guess... ohsix joined the safe-space club and has me on ignore? :p
2016-12-05T07:06:48 < stvn> :)
2016-12-05T07:07:12 < stvn> :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) 
2016-12-05T07:09:20 < ohsix> :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) 
2016-12-05T07:10:10 < stvn> lol
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2016-12-05T07:18:18 < ohsix> ReadErr: did you watch freaknik yet????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPo9xyF43ho
2016-12-05T07:18:47 < ReadErr> lol the ATL thing 
2016-12-05T07:18:52 < ReadErr> so hood
2016-12-05T07:19:29 < ohsix> lifetime supply of money, clothes, and hoes
2016-12-05T07:19:59 < ohsix> str8 up, that's what it is
2016-12-05T07:20:00 < ReadErr> thats all dis ninja knows
2016-12-05T07:20:03 < ohsix> that movie is awesome
2016-12-05T07:20:07 < ohsix> i need to watch it again
2016-12-05T07:20:14 < ohsix> pajama jammy jam
2016-12-05T07:20:46 < ohsix> oh shit there's no clip of that on the internet
2016-12-05T07:21:09 < ReadErr> not seen
2016-12-05T07:21:16 < ohsix> you should
2016-12-05T07:21:27 < ohsix> there's a lot of 80s black culture & music junk in there
2016-12-05T07:21:47 < ohsix> the intro is kid & play dancing around like terds and talking about a pajama jammie jam
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2016-12-05T07:30:22 < ReadErr> http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/04/politics/gun-incident-fake-news/index.html
2016-12-05T07:30:27 < ReadErr> baaaaahahahhahaha
2016-12-05T07:30:54 < ohsix> cosmic?
2016-12-05T07:31:03 < ohsix> comet
2016-12-05T07:31:04 < ohsix> bah
2016-12-05T07:31:07 < ohsix> yea that was going around
2016-12-05T07:31:17 < ohsix> cbs called the person with the gun a 'victim' of the story
2016-12-05T07:33:34 < Thorn> how do they know it's fictitious
2016-12-05T07:33:42 < Thorn> that's bad reporting
2016-12-05T07:33:50 < ohsix> how do you know there isn't a teapot orbiting jupiter
2016-12-05T07:33:53 < ohsix> you better go find it
2016-12-05T07:34:36 < Thorn> there's way more evidence for pizzagate
2016-12-05T07:34:38 < ohsix> you got your thinking cap on backwards
2016-12-05T07:34:45 < ohsix> .
2016-12-05T07:34:53 < ReadErr> have they found his 4chan post yet?
2016-12-05T07:36:21 < ohsix> Thorn: so podesta was ordering children and not pizza?
2016-12-05T07:36:44 < ohsix> also you HAVE COMET AND YOU CAN GO THERE AND GET A PIZZA
2016-12-05T07:36:45 < ohsix> ahem
2016-12-05T07:36:47 < ohsix> not children
2016-12-05T07:37:31 < ohsix> it's a little too post modern to question what the concept of a fictional conspiracy theory is
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2016-12-05T07:46:56 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/H498PBE.jpg
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2016-12-05T07:55:30 < stvn> autism ship
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2016-12-05T07:59:13 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNPljoociK8
2016-12-05T08:02:01 < ReadErr> heh
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2016-12-05T08:20:35 < ohsix> ugh
2016-12-05T08:20:43 < ohsix> security fluff reporting is so cringy
2016-12-05T08:20:55 < ohsix> 'it is only a matter of time before google switches to clang for the kernel'
2016-12-05T08:21:11 < ohsix> they'd be the only ones doing it
2016-12-05T08:21:21 < ohsix> they'd sooner change to a different kernel entirely ;]
2016-12-05T08:30:32 < Kliment> ohsix: context?
2016-12-05T08:30:58 < ohsix> it's really not worth reading https://copperhead.co/blog/2016/09/20/memory-disclosure-mitigations
2016-12-05T08:31:08 < ohsix> 'we use llvm' is kind of a meme
2016-12-05T08:31:49 < ohsix> lool they talk about pax at the end, and how it is hard and they gave up
2016-12-05T08:31:55 < ohsix> yea bitch, being out of tree means something, fucker
2016-12-05T08:32:23 < Kliment> Okay, I won't bother reading
2016-12-05T08:33:09 < ohsix> the actual mitigations, haha; to the extent that there are any, is a garbage filling allocator
2016-12-05T08:33:42 < ohsix> shti is so dum
2016-12-05T08:33:56 < ohsix> it's marginally effective btu all you do is justify your job, and shit can be worked around
2016-12-05T08:34:18 < ohsix> if you're holding information that is dangerous to disclose you have to handle it like nuclear material, and people don't
2016-12-05T08:41:02 < jpa-> ohsix: which mitigations are you talking about? the llvm sanitizers are relatively effective
2016-12-05T08:41:55 < jpa-> (llvm/clang sanitizers)
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2016-12-05T08:45:59 < ohsix> jpa-: only one really, is using a different allocator
2016-12-05T08:46:20 < ohsix> i mentioned the llvm meme because there's tons of projects saying 'we're using ubsan with llvm'
2016-12-05T08:46:27 < ohsix> i have llvm fatigue
2016-12-05T08:46:49 < ohsix> it will be great when i can finally use it for something
2016-12-05T08:47:12 < jpa-> it's true that most of the mitigations can probably be worked around, but atleast it gives a pretty good chance that the exploits which work on normal android will require further work to run there
2016-12-05T08:47:47 < jpa-> i should try out rust on STM32 some day.. looks like it's getting close to usable
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2016-12-05T08:55:15 < ohsix> jpa-: ya and that is an important point, you differentiate from 'normal' enough
2016-12-05T08:56:00 < ohsix> like when nobody was doing aslr, even faking it or doing it for some types of pages was better than not
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2016-12-05T08:57:45 < jpa-> yeah; don't have to run faster than the tiger, just faster than your buddy
2016-12-05T08:58:19 < ohsix> and when it eventually stops something, you get lots of cred in the press
2016-12-05T08:58:32 < jpa-> i've been wondering why malloc()s don't introduce some randomness.. like ASLR within the heap
2016-12-05T08:58:45 < ohsix> in what way?
2016-12-05T08:59:00 < ohsix> like, obfuscating what the allocator is doing?
2016-12-05T08:59:01 < jpa-> well e.g. if you have multiple free blocks of same size, choose a random one
2016-12-05T08:59:09 < ohsix> ah
2016-12-05T08:59:27 < jpa-> and if you have to split a block, put the new allocation randomly at either top or bottom of the block
2016-12-05T08:59:55 < ohsix> well, it has to be deterministic (to some extent) and you can construct the heap so all those same size blocks have what you want in themm so the choice is moot
2016-12-05T09:00:14 < ohsix> heap attacks are weird tho
2016-12-05T09:00:51 < jpa-> that's true.. if the attack involves heap spraying then it doesn't help much
2016-12-05T09:00:57 < ohsix> there is probably spec stuff that i don't know about that constrains a lot of stuff str8 up
2016-12-05T09:02:28 < jpa-> http://misc.openbsd.narkive.com/3Q0ti7bA/randomized-malloc-randomized-mmap   "10 years ago" so in no way a new idea, but i wonder if anything actually implements it
2016-12-05T09:04:26 < ohsix> randomized mmap is part of aslr
2016-12-05T09:04:46 < ohsix> heap uses it when it needs newareas
2016-12-05T09:06:02 < Kliment> So wait, the actual issue is uninitialized memory use, no?
2016-12-05T09:06:14 < ohsix> 'yes'
2016-12-05T09:06:33 < ohsix> but only insofar that the memory is visible on the heap after free
2016-12-05T09:07:08 < ohsix> initializing heap pages to zero on alloc is $$$$$ if you then just fill it with information (which is typical)
2016-12-05T09:07:14 < ohsix> you blow cache shit twice
2016-12-05T09:07:16 < Kliment> Yeah, sure
2016-12-05T09:07:38 < Kliment> I'm wondering if there's some way to implement a memory wiper with DNA so it never his cachre
2016-12-05T09:07:41 < ohsix> initial pages from mmap are zeroed
2016-12-05T09:07:56 < Kliment> DMA*
2016-12-05T09:08:35 < Kliment> Like, have a peripheral sitting on pci or whatever that just zeroes segments after each free
2016-12-05T09:08:40 < ohsix> calloc does initialize memory
2016-12-05T09:09:20 < ohsix> but basically it is expensive, or you'd just do it, and finding a page on the heap with goodies would be rarer
2016-12-05T09:09:35 < Kliment> alternatively, a way to tell the processor "don't cache this, it's gonna get thrown out anyway"
2016-12-05T09:09:51 < ohsix> yea you can do that
2016-12-05T09:10:23 < ohsix> page attributes / mtrr can say a page/range of memory is write combined or uncached
2016-12-05T09:10:28 < ohsix> but it is still slow lul
2016-12-05T09:10:52 < ohsix> AVX can clear memory at nn gb/s with overt cache management
2016-12-05T09:11:18 < ohsix> but, if you're only clearing 4k or less, that is still too expensive
2016-12-05T09:11:44 < Kliment> What is "expensive" on modern machines? If there's a way to trade absolute heap security for a few % of performance loss I see no reason not to do it
2016-12-05T09:12:18 < Kliment> Maybe intercept calls to free and zero the segment
2016-12-05T09:12:43 < ohsix> browser is acting dum on craptop
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2016-12-05T09:24:00 < jpa-> zeroing in malloc might be better for cache.. because it's likely that a newly malloced block will soon be written anyway
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2016-12-05T09:30:56 < ohsix> yea
2016-12-05T09:31:08 < ohsix> will have to try and find something to post later
2016-12-05T09:32:09 < ohsix> even when pages are initialized quickly thereafter, there's still a risk
2016-12-05T09:34:59 < Kliment> zero on malloc still leaves stuff on the heap for attackers to find
2016-12-05T09:35:21 < Kliment> You just disable the zeroing-malloc and you're home free
2016-12-05T09:35:28 < jpa-> true
2016-12-05T09:36:01 < Kliment> i don't see why zeroing needs to hit cache at all
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2016-12-05T09:38:39 < jpa-> if the cpu does it without cache, it will be even slower; and if an external DMA unit does it, there will be overhead in coordinating with cpu
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2016-12-05T09:45:51 < Kliment> How does cache invalidation actually work with DMA?
2016-12-05T09:46:17 < upgrdman> motor pros: on nice motors, they balance the rotor by grinding on the laminations. wouldnt this short the laminations together and increase eddy current losses?
2016-12-05T09:48:31 < Kliment> upgrdman: Not really - they tend to be machined as a block anyway
2016-12-05T09:49:10 < Kliment> upgrdman: So they're already shorted by default
2016-12-05T09:50:18 < upgrdman> i thought the whole point of the laminations was that they were electrically isolated sheets to reduce eddy losses?
2016-12-05T09:50:38 < jpa-> Kliment: it varies a lot.. on STM32F7 i think it works like "flush away everything from cache"
2016-12-05T09:51:17 < jpa-> upgrdman: it doesn't matter if they short on a few points.. as long as they aren't a single chunk which can have currents everywhere
2016-12-05T09:53:06 < upgrdman> hmmm ok that makes sense i guess
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2016-12-05T09:54:41 < stvn> []
2016-12-05T09:59:03 < ohsix> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mckinley/papers/zero-oopsla-2011.pdf
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2016-12-05T10:01:06 < ohsix> Kliment: found some other stuff, lul; you can't even reliably zero a buffer without assembly, compiler can find out if an operation is visible, and the memory model says that is ok
2016-12-05T10:01:37 < Kliment> ohsix: Yes, which is why a way is needed to explicitly tell it what you're doing
2016-12-05T10:01:59 < ohsix> or a syscall to manage special memory
2016-12-05T10:02:13 < ohsix> treat it like the nuclear material it is
2016-12-05T10:02:35 < ReadErr> ohsix: start shameless
2016-12-05T10:02:37 < ReadErr> ?
2016-12-05T10:02:43 < ohsix> not yet
2016-12-05T10:03:00 < ohsix> i'm putting it in tvshow time now tho, i forgot
2016-12-05T10:03:44 < ohsix> it might take half a year to catch up lul, unless it is amazing
2016-12-05T10:04:03 < ReadErr> hmm interesting app
2016-12-05T10:04:19 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-05T10:04:29 < ohsix> there is a lot of seasons of the uk one too
2016-12-05T10:08:23 < ReadErr> ehh not seen the uk one
2016-12-05T10:12:31 < PaulFertser> Kliment: I found a real clue thanks to hcidump, I need connection type random (1) then it works. Connection type 0 doesn't. gatttool's using 0 by default.
2016-12-05T10:12:43 < stvn> the reactor
2016-12-05T10:13:12 < stvn> merry christmas stm32
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2016-12-05T10:16:39 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Ah, that explains why it worked on some devices and not others, but on all with public address type
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2016-12-05T10:20:10 < PaulFertser> Kliment: I would appreciate a bit more hints as I'm not understanding BLE enough yet, would you mind elaborating on the difference between random and public?
2016-12-05T10:20:19 < stvn> ReadErr, play some asciis
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2016-12-05T10:21:20 < ReadErr> I cant
2016-12-05T10:21:27 < ReadErr> I almost killed upgrdman last time
2016-12-05T10:21:38 < upgrdman> ?
2016-12-05T10:22:18 < stvn> shiiiiet son
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2016-12-05T10:24:57 < Steffanx> Lolz
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2016-12-05T10:25:23 < stvn> sup brother Steffan
2016-12-05T10:25:28 < Steffanx> Sky.
2016-12-05T10:25:47 < ReadErr> Black Pete!
2016-12-05T10:25:55 < ReadErr> i learned today Steffanx 
2016-12-05T10:26:12 < Steffanx> Can you screenshot, it doesnt work on my tiny screen ReadErr
2016-12-05T10:28:05 < Steffanx> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companions_of_Saint_Nicholas better look into it more.
2016-12-05T10:28:42 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HEymCEmc/missledong.png
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2016-12-05T10:29:09 < stvn> heh
2016-12-05T10:29:19 < stvn> good to see the sky Steffanx 
2016-12-05T10:29:26 < ReadErr> arent you dutch Steffanx ?
2016-12-05T10:29:33 < stvn> he's a german
2016-12-05T10:29:55 < stvn> (that's my belief)
2016-12-05T10:30:12 < ReadErr> lol
2016-12-05T10:31:05 < ReadErr> then who the hell was dutch
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2016-12-05T10:31:54 < Steffanx> Yes, very much ReadErr
2016-12-05T10:31:55 < jpa-> ReadErr is dutch
2016-12-05T10:32:47 < ReadErr> the dutch PM was like "my black friends have it easy, they enjoy dressing up as him since they dont have to do the face paint"
2016-12-05T10:32:55 < ReadErr> or something like that lol
2016-12-05T10:33:04 < ReadErr> "me, it takes 3 days to remove"
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2016-12-05T10:33:56 < stvn> where do all you people come from
2016-12-05T10:34:11 < ReadErr> my moms womb originally 
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2016-12-05T10:34:15 < ReadErr> u?
2016-12-05T10:34:22 < stvn> australia
2016-12-05T10:34:29 < Steffanx> Same. Not the same womb i think.
2016-12-05T10:34:41 < stvn> cool
2016-12-05T10:34:56 < ReadErr> stvn: did you see the vid of the guy punching a 'roo
2016-12-05T10:35:00 < ReadErr> that was strangling his dog
2016-12-05T10:35:04 < stvn> heard about it ReadErr 
2016-12-05T10:35:10 < stvn> didn't bother to watch
2016-12-05T10:35:25 < ReadErr> walked up, cocked back, let em have it
2016-12-05T10:36:01 < ReadErr> they seem like some mean bastards though
2016-12-05T10:36:10 < stvn> yeah i've never met one
2016-12-05T10:36:23 < Steffanx> It was a nice vid.
2016-12-05T10:36:34 < upgrdman> anyone know why tesla coils are air-core instead of using ferrite or something?
2016-12-05T10:37:32 < ReadErr> https://youtu.be/jBqoH-qx-os?t=310
2016-12-05T10:37:36 < ReadErr> there Steffanx lol
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2016-12-05T10:37:47 < ReadErr> gotta learn bout ole black pete
2016-12-05T10:37:50 < jpa-> upgrdman: maybe the breakdown voltage is not high enough?
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2016-12-05T10:38:50 < jpa-> http://www.pupman.com/listarchives/2002/August/msg00427.html  perhaps relevant
2016-12-05T10:39:53 < stvn> lol at ReadErr link
2016-12-05T10:40:29 < stvn> i didn't know the dutch hated blacks too
2016-12-05T10:41:03 < stvn> just like the americans
2016-12-05T10:41:41 < upgrdman> ya the poor ones ;)
2016-12-05T10:42:09 < ReadErr> except an american doing blackface would probably be blasted
2016-12-05T10:42:15 < ReadErr> nowadays
2016-12-05T10:42:22 < stvn> guess thats why kkk do whiteface
2016-12-05T10:42:26 < Steffanx> They were slaves, slaves had no rights stvn.
2016-12-05T10:42:38 < stvn> that's no good
2016-12-05T10:43:51 < upgrdman> not yet. got it yesterday and was too busy dicking with my tesla coil
2016-12-05T10:44:04 < zyp> LeelooMinai, what blackmagic probe?
2016-12-05T10:44:24 < upgrdman> after i realized that the uart on it is not for talking to the BMP i kinda lost interest
2016-12-05T10:44:40 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, from the official source. 1bitsquared.
2016-12-05T10:44:49 < upgrdman> i didnt get that new one, just v2.
2016-12-05T10:45:11 < zyp> ah, esden made a new board for it
2016-12-05T10:45:16 < stvn> hmmm
2016-12-05T10:45:29 < zyp> blackmagic probe itself is pretty old, I've been using it for years
2016-12-05T10:45:52 < upgrdman> kinda wish they'd give it a case
2016-12-05T10:46:02 < upgrdman> i have shrinkwrap but seems ghetto
2016-12-05T10:46:10 < zyp> LeelooMinai, built in gdbserver
2016-12-05T10:46:13 < stvn> i like cats
2016-12-05T10:46:28 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you need no other tools between it and gdb itself
2016-12-05T10:46:45 < stvn> hmm
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2016-12-05T10:49:41 < jpa-> zyp: btw, does black magic probe work faster than openocd + stlink? because the latter seems awfully slow at times.. moving the gdb server on the other side of the usb latency seems like it might help?
2016-12-05T10:50:28 < zyp> maybe, I've never worried much about speed
2016-12-05T10:51:39 < zyp> only operation for which I've been concerned about speed is flashing, and that's usually a matter of having a flashloader stub or not
2016-12-05T10:52:35 < jpa-> some things like conditional breakpoints are awfully slow with my openocd + virtualbox + stlinkv2 setup.. like 1 second per each time it checks the condition
2016-12-05T10:53:16 < zyp> wouldn't the condition be evaluated by gdb, making it take the full round trip either way?
2016-12-05T10:54:09 < zyp> break needs to be propagated to gdb, then gdb needs to read the data used for the expression it evaluates, adding another round trip, then the continue needs to be propagated back to the target
2016-12-05T10:56:37 < jpa-> yeah, but with stlink each of those seems to further consist of multiple roundtrips
2016-12-05T10:59:24 < zyp> could be, I haven't looked too much into the stlink protocol
2016-12-05T11:00:07 < jpa-> me neither :P
2016-12-05T11:02:23 < jpa-> http://repo.or.cz/openocd.git/blob/HEAD:/src/jtag/drivers/stlink_usb.c#l173   has list of the commands
2016-12-05T11:02:35 < ohsix> ReadErr: seen Game of Westworld yet?
2016-12-05T11:04:02 < ohsix> cease all boner functions
2016-12-05T11:12:11 < dongs> sup pros
2016-12-05T11:16:06 < ReadErr>   nah
2016-12-05T11:16:08 < dongs> bought?
2016-12-05T11:16:17 < dongs> supposedly i can get it free for buying a fucking 1070
2016-12-05T11:16:23 < dongs> but then i have to sign up and have a JEWPLAY account
2016-12-05T11:16:25 < dongs> easier to fucking pirate t hat shit
2016-12-05T11:16:30 < dongs> considering i wont play it for more than 5 minutes
2016-12-05T11:17:49 < Steffanx> Why bother then?
2016-12-05T11:18:10 < dongs> thats why i havente.
2016-12-05T11:18:18 < dongs> i just heard its actually funnier than v1
2016-12-05T11:18:24 < dongs> but yeah, effort.
2016-12-05T11:42:34 < ohsix> luuuuuuul
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2016-12-05T11:42:48 < ohsix> hbo has nice finishers that are awesome, until you start thinking about what happened
2016-12-05T11:42:56 < ohsix> PLOT HOLES and incredible coincidences
2016-12-05T11:43:16 < ohsix> they set shit up like a game of chess and the tenth episode just tied everything up, but it doesn't quite go together
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2016-12-05T11:47:22 < brabo> ohsix: plot? but that's unimportant no? i mean, we need spectacle, awesome effects, good actors (in the wrong roles preferably), and twists! lots of twists!!
2016-12-05T11:47:36 < dongs> who in the fuck is brabo
2016-12-05T11:47:54 < brabo> you're living next door to brabo and not know who the fuck is brabo? :p
2016-12-05T11:48:48 < ohsix> i already like brabo
2016-12-05T11:48:56 < ohsix> brabo: that's sort of true
2016-12-05T11:49:09 < ohsix> something that makes you think and invent your own stuff can leave a better impression
2016-12-05T11:49:11 < brabo> ohsix: ye sadly it seems to be the hollycrap metric
2016-12-05T11:49:47 < brabo> i find british and scandinavian stuff to be really well done plot wise, in general
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2016-12-05T11:50:03 < brabo> less effects and WOW, better story
2016-12-05T11:50:15 < brabo> also, cars are a LOT safer outside hollywood :p
2016-12-05T11:50:47 < ohsix> except the reliant robin
2016-12-05T11:52:14 < brabo> eh, don't know that.. checking out the wiki but don't see anything yet about unsafe?
2016-12-05T11:52:21 < ohsix> it has one wheel in the front
2016-12-05T11:52:26 < ohsix> it rolls over when you turn
2016-12-05T11:52:30 < brabo> LOL
2016-12-05T11:52:48 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQh56geU0X8
2016-12-05T11:53:10 < ohsix> top gear was so good :<
2016-12-05T11:53:38 < brabo> ^^
2016-12-05T11:56:38 < stvn> jeremy clarkson punched someone cause he didn't get his tendies
2016-12-05T11:57:14 < ohsix> i'm out on the tendies thing, wats it from
2016-12-05T11:57:41 < stvn> some 4ch meemee
2016-12-05T11:58:50 < ohsix> they had a running joke with the morris motor car company stuff
2016-12-05T11:59:16 < ohsix> dropping a piano on them and talking about how morris fans were nuts and complained every time they slagged them off
2016-12-05T11:59:23 < stvn> lol
2016-12-05T12:00:36 < ohsix> every time the car was on the show they dropped a piano on it
2016-12-05T12:00:50 < ohsix> sounds asinine to type that out, but it was funny
2016-12-05T12:00:52 < stvn> good
2016-12-05T12:01:05 < stvn> morris cars are for faggots
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2016-12-05T12:02:35 < stvn> also "A total of 55 British clubs now involved in growing football child abuse scandal"
2016-12-05T12:02:46 < stvn> is this country just full of paedophiles or what?!
2016-12-05T12:03:54 < ohsix> h3h
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2016-12-05T12:04:13 < brabo> ohsix: whahahaha @ reliant robin
2016-12-05T12:04:14 < ohsix> there's a bunch of old ones caught up by yewtree
2016-12-05T12:04:24 < brabo> that didn't look too hard :p
2016-12-05T12:04:41 < ohsix> stvn: and richard dawkins said a thing where he was touched by an old paedo and it didn't affect him, it was normal 'back in the day'
2016-12-05T12:09:33 < ohsix> hm -6 outside
2016-12-05T12:09:57 < ohsix> doesn't feel like it
2016-12-05T12:11:08 < stvn> do you live in an igloo 06?
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2016-12-05T12:14:10 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Sorry, missed your message due to all the ascii art
2016-12-05T12:14:18 < stvn> lol
2016-12-05T12:14:41 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Public addresses are resolvable, and have a manufacturer ID built-in
2016-12-05T12:15:07 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Random addresses are generated by the device from a random seed, and used only for collision avoidance, not to identify the device
2016-12-05T12:15:40 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Depending on which one you are using, a different access control scheme is used
2016-12-05T12:17:25 < Kliment> PaulFertser: So there is a bit set in the packet to signify that a random address is used, effectively doubling the address space
2016-12-05T12:18:05 < Kliment> PaulFertser: This is done so that if a device randomly generates a MAC that happens to match an assigned one, the messages don't get misrouted
2016-12-05T12:18:38 < PaulFertser> Kliment: but why might my device refuse to connect when I do not use random address?
2016-12-05T12:19:06 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Because you ARE using a random address, or at least your device thinks it is
2016-12-05T12:19:22 < Kliment> PaulFertser: so it ignores messages that talk to it as if it had a public address
2016-12-05T12:20:03 < PaulFertser> Kliment: I see, so this all FFs address is a random and I must tell my host about it so that it would connect properly, right? Ok, thanks a lot for the clarifications.
2016-12-05T12:20:30 < Kliment> Well, on my device, when I explicitly set a MAC it assumes it's public
2016-12-05T12:20:41 < Kliment> And then gatttool can connect
2016-12-05T12:21:02 < Kliment> but apparently it's not the same on your stack
2016-12-05T12:21:08 < Kliment> What are you using on the device side?
2016-12-05T12:23:21 < Kliment> The ST bluenrg stack for example has the following address types defined:
2016-12-05T12:24:58 < PaulFertser> Kliment: nrf51's sdk 12, the secure_bootloader debug example
2016-12-05T12:25:13 < PaulFertser> Kliment: I got your point
2016-12-05T12:25:54 < Kliment> There's public, random, and static_random
2016-12-05T12:26:25 < Kliment> if you set to random, it will generate an address from an RNG
2016-12-05T12:26:46 < Kliment> if you set to static_random, it will use a randomly generated address stored in its ROM, so it's the same every time
2016-12-05T12:26:56 < Kliment> if you set to public, it will use the address you provide
2016-12-05T12:27:34 < ohsix> lul https://twitter.com/ifuckapes/status/805216367532249088 guys' got garrett mace's LED glasses
2016-12-05T12:28:51 < brabo> ohsix: though the top gear reliant robin was modified with side-weights, i'm sure that accounts for a part of how easily it tipped
2016-12-05T12:29:06 < dongs> brabo: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-12-05T12:30:28 < brabo> dongs: just following your own special example of irrelevancy
2016-12-05T12:30:30 < Kliment> dongs: It appears you are engaging in non-dong related activity
2016-12-05T12:30:58 < ohsix> he mentioned autism didn't he haha
2016-12-05T12:31:02 < dongs> no, i'm fully engrossed in dongs
2016-12-05T12:31:11 < ohsix> i have that specifically on ignore \m/
2016-12-05T12:31:13 < brabo> i'm sure you can take one more.. ;)
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2016-12-05T12:36:38 < ohsix> right in the dongs
2016-12-05T12:36:57 < ohsix> https://soundcloud.com/devolverdigital/m-o-o-n-hydrogen?in=devolverdigital/sets/hotline-miami-official
2016-12-05T12:39:19 < Kliment> Can anyone recommend a single-cell li-ion protection IC that doesn't suck?
2016-12-05T12:39:28 < ohsix> tp067?
2016-12-05T12:39:30 < ohsix> the ebay one
2016-12-05T12:39:35 < ohsix> that 6 is wrong i think
2016-12-05T12:40:41 < Kliment> It's for a low current application, max current peak is 350mA
2016-12-05T12:45:56 < dongs> DW01
2016-12-05T12:48:23 < Kliment> lovely
2016-12-05T12:49:09 < dongs> they're like $0.01 in china
2016-12-05T12:49:32 < Kliment> I guess no western distributors carry them
2016-12-05T12:49:35 < dongs> there's also one thats a looong sot23
2016-12-05T12:49:41 < dongs> that one doesnt need extenral fet
2016-12-05T12:49:45 < dongs> trying to remember part#
2016-12-05T12:50:22 < dongs> http://u.dianyuan.com/bbs/u/68/2228941217809725.pdf
2016-12-05T12:50:23 < dongs> this
2016-12-05T12:50:36 < ohsix> Kliment: tp4056
2016-12-05T12:51:26 < ohsix> oh er protection
2016-12-05T12:51:30 < dongs> god damn that site is fucking slow as shit
2016-12-05T12:51:32 < ohsix> dunno if 4056 does protection
2016-12-05T12:52:07 < Kliment> I already have overcharge and overvoltage protection from the charger IC
2016-12-05T12:52:22 < Kliment> But I need overdischarge protection
2016-12-05T12:52:26 < ohsix> so you just need low voltage cutoff?
2016-12-05T12:52:30 < Kliment> Yes
2016-12-05T12:52:39 < ohsix> https://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/datasheets/Prototyping/TP4056.pdf
2016-12-05T12:53:12 < dongs> anyway its just DW01 and dualnfet in a single package
2016-12-05T12:53:15 < dongs> im pretty sure
2016-12-05T12:53:37 < ohsix> luuul
2016-12-05T12:53:45 < ohsix> they stole a diagram from Linear
2016-12-05T12:54:03 < ohsix> the graph on the first page -> linears typography and lettering and shit
2016-12-05T12:55:33 < stvn> the fucken dogs
2016-12-05T12:55:41 < ohsix> dw01 has overcurrent protection and shiz
2016-12-05T12:55:54 < Kliment> the 4056 is a charger, not a protection IC
2016-12-05T12:56:00 < ohsix> either one, shit; whatever is cheaper
2016-12-05T12:56:13 < ohsix> sure
2016-12-05T12:56:18 < ohsix> it does both
2016-12-05T12:56:22 < Kliment> Uhm, no
2016-12-05T12:56:32 < Kliment> It cannot disconnect the load
2016-12-05T12:56:36 < dongs> Kliment: you were given options, why do you keep taking advice from someone who hasn't actually made something with these parts?
2016-12-05T12:56:55 < dongs> Kliment: i was recently involved in a mobile power bank thing 
2016-12-05T12:57:02 < Kliment> dongs: I think it's only fair to reply
2016-12-05T12:57:08 < ohsix> what does the undervoltage lockout do
2016-12-05T12:57:10 < dongs> so i could say I'm slightly more qualified than autistic google-powered replies.
2016-12-05T12:57:35 < Kliment> ohsix: It switches the charger off if the supply voltage is below the battery voltage
2016-12-05T12:58:08 < Kliment> dongs: I'm looking for a part I can get on 1 day lead time from a large distributor
2016-12-05T12:58:09 < ohsix> what is the fet even for then
2016-12-05T12:58:23 < Kliment> ohsix: Switching the supply
2016-12-05T12:58:31 < Kliment> ohsix: But it can't switch the load
2016-12-05T12:59:27 < Kliment> dongs: preferably mouser or digikey
2016-12-05T12:59:48 < ohsix> what is the point of that
2016-12-05T13:00:03 < dongs> Kliment: http://www.digikey.com/short/3549mh knock yourself out
2016-12-05T13:00:14 < Kliment> ohsix: if your load draws current when the battery voltage is low it will damage the battery
2016-12-05T13:00:39 < ohsix> .
2016-12-05T13:00:40 < stvn> https://youtu.be/L41ej3vHQT8?t=9m39s
2016-12-05T13:00:49 < dongs> Kliment: AP9101C looks liek a clone of DW01
2016-12-05T13:00:53 < ohsix> is tha tnot what overdischarge protection is
2016-12-05T13:01:10 < dongs> and there's a shitload of similar parts from every other major vendor
2016-12-05T13:01:47 < ohsix> ohhh
2016-12-05T13:01:49 < ohsix> huhuhu
2016-12-05T13:01:49 < Kliment> dongs: Yep it does, thanks
2016-12-05T13:01:55 < ohsix> tp4056 is a clone of a Linear part
2016-12-05T13:02:13 < ohsix> http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/405642f.pdf
2016-12-05T13:02:35 < ohsix> or not
2016-12-05T13:02:37 < ohsix> shruggin
2016-12-05T13:02:48 < Kliment> dongs: I wonder why all the charger ICs don't have an output pin for a FET gate
2016-12-05T13:03:04 < Kliment> dongs: I mean, they need the voltage comparator internally anyway
2016-12-05T13:03:17 < dongs> shrug
2016-12-05T13:03:19 < ohsix> most of them, the point is to have the fet in it
2016-12-05T13:03:28 < dongs> because generally these are on a small PCB integrated into the pack
2016-12-05T13:03:35 < dongs> and not as part of the bigger board
2016-12-05T13:03:45 < dongs> we put it on the mainboard + nfets because the battery got spotwelded directly to charger pcb
2016-12-05T13:04:03 < Kliment> dongs: Yeah, of course, but unfortunately due to ecigs and similar shit unprotected cells are popular again
2016-12-05T13:04:10 < dongs> but some batteries you cant buy/import unless they include the protection board as part of the package.
2016-12-05T13:05:00 < ohsix> lul wut
2016-12-05T13:05:11 < ohsix> 18650s are almost all for vape douche stuff
2016-12-05T13:05:17 < Kliment> I don't suppose you know of any 18350 format cells with protection included
2016-12-05T13:05:31 < dongs> I think peterm does, but looks like hes dead
2016-12-05T13:05:52 < stvn> shit
2016-12-05T13:05:57 < Kliment> Killed in a lithium battery explosion? :P
2016-12-05T13:05:59 < dongs> yes.
2016-12-05T13:06:17 < stvn> probably assaulted by a kangaroo
2016-12-05T13:06:57 < ohsix> he moved on that kangaroo like a bitch
2016-12-05T13:09:02 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Taikoshep/status/804829091752976384
2016-12-05T13:09:08 < dongs> probably grew tired of all the autism thats going on in here
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2016-12-05T13:19:32 < stvn> hmmm
2016-12-05T13:20:13 < ohsix> eating chicken macho
2016-12-05T13:21:08 < Kliment> dongs: Thanks, the AP9101 seems to be exactly what I want
2016-12-05T13:21:13 < dongs> ^_^
2016-12-05T13:30:12 < ohsix> https://openai.com/blog/universe/
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2016-12-05T13:54:45 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/nYzIEt.png
2016-12-05T13:56:47 < dongs> sorr what
2016-12-05T13:56:55 < dongs> Laurenceb_: why dont you link some funny STM32 news
2016-12-05T13:56:56 < dongs> isntead
2016-12-05T13:57:25 < Laurenceb_> stm32 powered Trumpbot
2016-12-05T13:57:37 < dongs> while (1) spam();
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2016-12-05T14:04:50 < stvn> mmm
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2016-12-05T14:26:25 < dongs> this is what happens when o7 talks
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2016-12-05T14:59:08 < Steffanx> Something he didnt do for 1.5 hours ;)
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2016-12-05T15:28:09 < dongs> what?
2016-12-05T15:30:13 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/4EbNy0w.jpg
2016-12-05T15:30:39 < jadew> lol
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2016-12-05T16:19:42 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-12-05T16:19:58 < Laurenceb_> I just tried to pay wikipedia £2
2016-12-05T16:20:19 < Laurenceb_> bank account just died
2016-12-05T16:21:33 < Laurenceb_> account balance looks like a random number generator
2016-12-05T16:22:55 < Laurenceb_> never again
2016-12-05T16:23:16 < Laurenceb_> probably sent the money to comet pizza
2016-12-05T16:23:25 < dongs> why would you support kikepedia
2016-12-05T16:23:30 < dongs> you suport them by registering a troll account
2016-12-05T16:23:32 < dongs> and making troll edits
2016-12-05T16:24:08 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-12-05T16:24:18 < Laurenceb_> ok looks like my account was haxored last night
2016-12-05T16:24:30 < Laurenceb_> but for some reason only wikipedo triggered the fraud alert
2016-12-05T16:24:32 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-12-05T16:24:56 < Laurenceb_> looks like one of their indian staff has 1337 haxored their internal network
2016-12-05T16:25:20 < Laurenceb_> lots of <blank> transfers to <blank>
2016-12-05T16:25:26 < Laurenceb_> lul they are so fucked
2016-12-05T16:25:38 < Steffanx> Who is they? Bank or pedia?
2016-12-05T16:25:47 < Laurenceb_> my Bank
2016-12-05T16:26:01 < Laurenceb_> maybe it was North Korea
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2016-12-05T16:39:43 < englishman> i hope you donate 10x that to ED, a much more trusted and factual source of true facts
2016-12-05T16:40:31 < dongs> http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739620/Maria-Ladenburger-murder-EU-official-daughter-killed-by-refugee-Aghan much more relevant news
2016-12-05T16:41:03 < englishman> i bet donating doesnt even make the guys face go away
2016-12-05T16:49:14 < Laurenceb_> it makes your bank account go away
2016-12-05T16:52:07 < Ecco> Hey
2016-12-05T16:52:42 < Ecco> Does an ESD suppressor for an USB port need to be close to the port?
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2016-12-05T16:53:46 < Laurenceb_> https://thedebateinitiative.com/2014/07/23/israeli-academic-raping-arab-women-only-way-to-deter-suicide-bombers/
2016-12-05T16:53:50 < Laurenceb_> nasty job tho
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2016-12-05T17:01:05 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgDa_cpgHWs&feature=youtu.be
2016-12-05T17:01:20 < aandrew> Ecco: I place them right at the pins
2016-12-05T17:01:25 < aandrew> you want as little inductance as possible
2016-12-05T17:01:32 < BrainDamage> Ecco: it has to be close to the device you want to protect
2016-12-05T17:01:48 < BrainDamage> because of what aandrew sai
2016-12-05T17:01:52 < aandrew> BrainDamage: hm? no, you want to kill the spike before it comes into the board
2016-12-05T17:01:59 < aandrew> you don't want it at the MCU, you want it at the port
2016-12-05T17:02:36 < BrainDamage> oh maybe there's a misunderstanding
2016-12-05T17:02:50 < BrainDamage> i tought it was an external one
2016-12-05T17:03:25 < englishman> why did this ancient video get tweeted 2x thismorning in a stm32-topic channel
2016-12-05T17:03:30 < BrainDamage> in circuit i'd place it at the port, on cable near the port too
2016-12-05T17:03:38 < aandrew> BrainDamage: because it's funny, that's why
2016-12-05T17:03:47 < aandrew> there's an STM32 VSC driving that squirrel
2016-12-05T17:03:58 < BrainDamage> wrong nick?
2016-12-05T17:04:03 < aandrew> er englishman 
2016-12-05T17:04:04 < aandrew> yeah
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2016-12-05T17:11:05 < Rob235> good morning
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2016-12-05T17:13:59 < Rob235> anyone here rich and can spare 0.01 btc?
2016-12-05T17:14:55 < Kliment> What's that in non-btc?
2016-12-05T17:15:01 < Rob235> $7.50
2016-12-05T17:15:03 < Rob235> usd
2016-12-05T17:15:25 < Kliment> I don't think that qualifies as especially rich
2016-12-05T17:15:47 < Rob235> I know, I was just playing
2016-12-05T17:15:57 < Rob235> I could use the help though :)
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2016-12-05T17:20:03 < karlp> Steffanx: what's that literature source website? for freeing scientif papers?
2016-12-05T17:21:04 < PaulFertser> karlp: sci-hub.io
2016-12-05T17:21:20 < karlp> spasibe
2016-12-05T17:21:29 < BrainDamage> there's also library genesis and bookz
2016-12-05T17:23:39 < Kliment> libgen is the best source for textbooks and graduate-level technical books
2016-12-05T17:23:51 < karlp> more looking for ieee stuff right now actually
2016-12-05T17:23:54 < Kliment> bookz is kinda a mishmash of whatever got uploaded
2016-12-05T17:24:04 < Kliment> sci-hub is the go-to place for papers
2016-12-05T17:26:05 < Rob235> textbooks? where?
2016-12-05T17:26:35 < englishman> amazon.com
2016-12-05T17:26:52 < Rob235> heh
2016-12-05T17:30:28 < Rob235> there's too much to learn
2016-12-05T17:32:44 < karlp> ok, got the 92 version of the standard at least.
2016-12-05T17:32:54 < karlp> 2014 not so common it seems
2016-12-05T17:35:02 < Steffanx> Im surprised to see you kinda promote scihub kliment ;)
2016-12-05T17:35:11 < Kliment> Steffanx: Why?
2016-12-05T17:35:52 < Kliment> Steffanx: Until the publishers stop being terrorists it's the only viable source
2016-12-05T17:36:19 < Kliment> Steffanx: It's entirely justified for an industry that provides strongly negative value to claim to have the moral high ground
2016-12-05T17:36:23 < Steffanx> I remember you complaining about the ac6 linker files. And you didnt want to ignore thr license.
2016-12-05T17:36:27 < Kliment> unjustified*
2016-12-05T17:36:45 < Kliment> i don't want to ignore their license, of course
2016-12-05T17:37:16 < Kliment> i was complaining about them because they build their entire business on eclipse and gcc and then do shit like this
2016-12-05T17:38:45 < aandrew> yeah I fucking hate Eclipse
2016-12-05T17:38:50 < aandrew> makefiles > *
2016-12-05T17:39:13 < Steffanx> Lol. Aandrew. That wasnt really the point
2016-12-05T17:39:42 < Kliment> aandrew: I am not a fan of eclipse either. I'm using it now because it's the path of least resistance for what I'm doing atm
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2016-12-05T18:03:15 < Rob235> just curious, what is bad about eclipse?
2016-12-05T18:05:10 < aandrew> it's a fucking shitshow
2016-12-05T18:05:33 < aandrew> it gets itself tangled up and you're fucked because you have to figure out what it's upset about when your code is perfectly fucking fine
2016-12-05T18:05:53 < aandrew> all the autocomplete, indexing, pre-build checking and shit just gets in the way of actually writing and debugging code
2016-12-05T18:06:02 < aandrew> gimme vim and a makefile anyday
2016-12-05T18:06:17 < englishman> imo you could say the same thing about makefiles
2016-12-05T18:06:29 < Rob235> it's the autocomplete that I'd miss
2016-12-05T18:06:39 < aandrew> stop writing 50 character variable names
2016-12-05T18:06:47 < englishman> no 2 makefiles are alike. yet they all serve the same purpose
2016-12-05T18:06:52 < englishman> its the root of the lunix culture
2016-12-05T18:07:14 < aandrew> englishman: sure, and no two eclipse projects are the same and if you look at them funny they fucking explode
2016-12-05T18:07:21 < englishman> lol yep
2016-12-05T18:07:22 < aandrew> fuck that shit, I'll navigate a complex makefile
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2016-12-05T18:07:59 < aandrew> the pinnacle of idiocy is when I can take a working exclipse project, export it to an archive, take that archive to an identical fucking machine (virtual machines) and import it and it doesn't fucking work
2016-12-05T18:08:06 < Rob235> its not just about that, its about hitting the . or the -> and getting a list of all the members and shit like that, or if you forget an exact function name
2016-12-05T18:08:14 < aandrew> in fact you can't import it sometimes because the emnpty workspace has no folders AND YOU CAN"T CREATE A FUCKING FOLDER
2016-12-05T18:08:40 < aandrew> or a path uses a variable in eclipse
2016-12-05T18:08:48 < aandrew> ${FUCK_ECLIPSE_VAR}
2016-12-05T18:09:13 < aandrew> if you change the value of that variable YOU HAVE TO QUIT AND RESTART ECLIPSE so it sees the change ?!?! what the fucking fuck?!
2016-12-05T18:09:38 < aandrew> no, you can't "refresh" the project. no you can't close and reopen the project, no, you have to quit the fucking editor
2016-12-05T18:14:04 < aandrew> how this shitheap became a standard for development I'll never understand
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2016-12-05T18:29:19 < karlp> netbeans: just import your existing makefile project.
2016-12-05T18:29:31 < karlp> parses the command line, gives you completion and inline docs
2016-12-05T18:31:21 < Tectu> yo people o/
2016-12-05T18:34:24 < Tectu> people? :(
2016-12-05T18:36:53 < BrainDamage> [triggered[
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2016-12-05T18:43:02 < Rob235> anyone ever do 60 second binary options trading?
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2016-12-05T18:49:09 < Laurenceb> some of us are AI chatbots you bigot
2016-12-05T18:50:30 < englishman> hi swiss ppl
2016-12-05T18:50:35 < Rob235> :(
2016-12-05T18:50:58 < Rob235> I'm not a swissard
2016-12-05T18:54:47 < Tectu> swisstard*
2016-12-05T18:59:30 < Rob235> :o
2016-12-05T19:09:17 < BrainDamage> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/362
2016-12-05T19:10:10 < Rob235> nice 404
2016-12-05T19:10:38 < BrainDamage> oh they deleted it less than 5 min ago
2016-12-05T19:12:54 < Tectu> I hope you cached it
2016-12-05T19:14:09 < Kliment> Heya Tectu 
2016-12-05T19:14:18 < Tectu> Hello Mr. Kliment 
2016-12-05T19:14:20 < Tectu> how's stuff?
2016-12-05T19:14:43 < Kliment> Tectu: My train's late
2016-12-05T19:14:51 < Tectu> Kliment, better move to swissland
2016-12-05T19:14:54 < Kliment> Tectu: Other than that, not too bad
2016-12-05T19:15:01 < Tectu> Kliment, glad to hear that :)
2016-12-05T19:15:10 < Kliment> Tectu: Heh, not an easy thing to do
2016-12-05T19:15:16 < Tectu> Kliment, need help?
2016-12-05T19:15:22 < Kliment> I mean, if I were moving, there are at least two places higher up on the list
2016-12-05T19:16:00 < Kliment> But I mean, I'm not alone, and my partner doesn't want to have to establish her network of friends in a new place unless there's no options
2016-12-05T19:16:15 < Kliment> I might get back to you if the nazis win the next election though
2016-12-05T19:17:24 < Kliment> But one issue is that I really don't like living in a place where I don't get to vote, and getting swiss citizenship takes forever
2016-12-05T19:17:55 < BrainDamage> principality of sealand and syria being the places ranked higher?
2016-12-05T19:18:01 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Nah
2016-12-05T19:18:37 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Another city in the country where I already am, or one of the cities in the Scottish central belt are the two options
2016-12-05T19:18:48 < Tectu> what's wrong with New Zealand?
2016-12-05T19:19:08 < Kliment> Tectu: Nothing that I know of
2016-12-05T19:19:16 < Kliment> Tectu: Just no experience with it
2016-12-05T19:19:43 < Tectu> Kliment, I was asking BrainDamage because he seems to put it on the same level with syria
2016-12-05T19:19:53 < Tectu> and syira is currently probably not such a desirable country to live in
2016-12-05T19:20:45 < Kliment> Tectu: sealand is a radio retransmitter platform in the english channel
2016-12-05T19:22:16 < Tectu> oh
2016-12-05T19:22:28 < Tectu> not italian slang for New Zealand then I guess
2016-12-05T19:22:41 < karlp> no, it's a sovereign state that has issues passports for nearly 40 years!
2016-12-05T19:23:15 < karlp> and itw as a gun platform originally, not a radio tower
2016-12-05T19:23:50 < Kliment> Oh right, flak tower
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2016-12-05T19:24:03 < Kliment> Sorry, I have my concrete blobs mixed up
2016-12-05T19:24:17 < karlp> well, they did set up pirate radio there before sealand 
2016-12-05T19:24:28 < Rickta59> looks like st put up their new forum, at least it isn't using sharepoint .. seems zippier
2016-12-05T19:24:33 < Kliment> Yep, that explains why I misremembered
2016-12-05T19:24:39 < englishman> anyone a vlan expert
2016-12-05T19:25:21 < Tectu> not more than University asked for, englishman 
2016-12-05T19:25:26 < Tectu> -> just basic knowledge
2016-12-05T19:25:34 < englishman> this stuff wasnt around when i was a kid
2016-12-05T19:25:43 < englishman> vlans are taught in uni?
2016-12-05T19:26:42 < englishman> anyway
2016-12-05T19:28:10 < englishman> i have a cisco switch, one access port assigned to vlan 4, one trunk port with that vlan enabled on it
2016-12-05T19:28:28 < englishman> trunk port goes to pfsense, with vlan same # enabled on that with dhcp server and static ip on interface
2016-12-05T19:28:39 < englishman> client connected to that access port doesnt get an ip.
2016-12-05T19:28:41 < englishman> wat do
2016-12-05T19:28:53 < Kliment> sniff traffic
2016-12-05T19:28:59 < Kliment> do requests come through?
2016-12-05T19:29:08 < Kliment> if not, find out where they stop
2016-12-05T19:34:35 < englishman> hm nvm it was a firewall issue
2016-12-05T19:36:13 < englishman> forgot to exclude gateway when blocking /16
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2016-12-05T20:15:16 < Steffanx> community.st.com e2e was not longer good enough?
2016-12-05T20:15:39 < Steffanx> Goedenavond DisruptiveNL, houden we de boel wel heel?
2016-12-05T20:16:14 < DisruptiveNL> ?
2016-12-05T20:16:26 < Steffanx> nevermind :P
2016-12-05T20:16:29 < DisruptiveNL> haha
2016-12-05T20:16:38 < DisruptiveNL> wie is dit? ;-)
2016-12-05T20:17:06 < Steffanx> wie? 
2016-12-05T20:18:20 < Steffanx> ik.
2016-12-05T20:18:26 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/n3881.html
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2016-12-05T20:19:50 < Kliment> Steffanx: Maybe they have a new antisocial media manager and they need to make changes to the site to look like they're doing something
2016-12-05T20:21:08 < Steffanx> i have to say, the e2e was pretty awful.
2016-12-05T20:24:18 < aandrew> wow, $90 for that tile?
2016-12-05T20:24:26 < aandrew> lots of sensors but pretty expensive
2016-12-05T20:24:50 < aandrew> at least now I know where all the stock on the LSM303AGR went
2016-12-05T20:27:37 < Steffanx> 82.50, but yeah. still expensive.
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2016-12-05T20:38:24 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c44_1480921300
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2016-12-05T20:48:50 < Tectu> any jira users here?
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2016-12-05T21:03:37 < upgrdman> on mouser, where can i find male headers for arm debugging (the 1.27mm 2x5mm ribbon style) ... i just want a shrouded 2x5 1.27mm male header, but cant find them
2016-12-05T21:03:48 < upgrdman> shouldnt they be in connectors > headers ?
2016-12-05T21:06:40 < Steffanx> there are part number somewhere in the zypsnips i think
2016-12-05T21:06:45 < Steffanx> they were on our wiki once.
2016-12-05T21:07:20 < bvernoux> Tectu, yes why ?
2016-12-05T21:07:26 < upgrdman> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-FCI/20021121-00010C4LF/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs%252bGHln7q6pmzWpWpY27fVZyi7FH9rUFyQ%3d like this but shrouded
2016-12-05T21:07:40 < bvernoux> Tectu, I'm using JIRA every day
2016-12-05T21:07:53 < bvernoux> Tectu, it is really not bad to track everything
2016-12-05T21:08:08 < bvernoux> mainly bug tracker but can be used for lot of things anyway
2016-12-05T21:09:35 < zyp> Tectu, we used jira at my old job
2016-12-05T21:10:28 < Tectu> how do you guys like working with it?
2016-12-05T21:10:46 < Steffanx> upgrdman: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md
2016-12-05T21:11:42 < zyp> Tectu, iirc it was fine as a bug tracker
2016-12-05T21:11:57 < upgrdman> Steffanx, thx
2016-12-05T21:12:05 < zyp> and we also used the tempo module for time reporting, that was fairly nice
2016-12-05T21:12:38 < zyp> otherwise I don't remember much, we had the wiki but I didn't use that much
2016-12-05T21:13:05 < zyp> oh, and we had the github like thing for git hosting
2016-12-05T21:13:21 < Tectu> bitbucket?
2016-12-05T21:14:06 < zyp> I think it was called stash, but it seems like they renamed it to bitbucket server
2016-12-05T21:14:59 < zyp> I weren't really impressed by that part, it was pretty bad at keeping review history on pull requests
2016-12-05T21:15:57 < zyp> like, you submit a PR, people look at it and comment on stuff to improve
2016-12-05T21:16:57 < zyp> you read the comments and make the improvements and updates the pull request, and all the old source comments gets messed up, and there's no way to browse the differences between revisions of a PR
2016-12-05T21:17:04 < zyp> you can only see the latest update
2016-12-05T21:17:37 < zyp> which seems really retarded when you're used to using gerrit for review
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2016-12-05T21:22:26 < Tectu> gerrit...
2016-12-05T21:22:31 < Tectu> the most difficult thing to use on the planet
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2016-12-05T21:26:19 < zyp> maybe, but in my experience from when I worked with debugging complex issues, going back and looking at reviews were really valuable
2016-12-05T21:28:02 < Laurenceb> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cc/81/39/cc8139a059f17bdad526c68c741f28b3.jpg
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2016-12-05T21:37:23 < Tectu> stop posting crap Laurenceb 
2016-12-05T21:47:14 < Tectu> btw, thanks for the reviews, zyp and bvernoux 
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2016-12-05T22:17:07 < upgrdman> damn, cant find something like this on mouser :(   http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=1175-1629-ND
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2016-12-05T22:17:56 < englishman> does it have to be shrouded
2016-12-05T22:18:13 < englishman> mauser search sucks the balls but you can call and bitch
2016-12-05T22:19:53 < upgrdman> ya need shrouded
2016-12-05T22:21:20 < englishman> well thats what you get for relying on a single (shitty) supplier
2016-12-05T22:21:45 < upgrdman> well i can go to digikey but im jsut surprised mouser doesnt have it
2016-12-05T22:24:47 < Kliment> Digikey has an exclusive deal with CNC tech
2016-12-05T22:24:54 < Kliment> no other distributor has their parts
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2016-12-05T22:26:10 < zyp> well, there's these: http://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Netduino/GoPortHeader_sm_10pack/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs%252bGHln7q6pmwtGMQLlt%2fnOKy8lTcMLiCk%3d
2016-12-05T22:26:44 < Steffanx> netduino \o/
2016-12-05T22:27:10 < englishman> nice price & stock level
2016-12-05T22:27:35 < Kliment> It's a compatible part even
2016-12-05T22:28:09 < BrainDamage> every few months i have to be in turin, how much would you pay if i were to punch massimo banzi?
2016-12-05T22:28:18 < aandrew> lol $14 for one?
2016-12-05T22:28:22 < aandrew> that's just a CNC Tech header
2016-12-05T22:28:26 < Steffanx> 10 aandrew.
2016-12-05T22:28:29 < Steffanx> 10 pack.
2016-12-05T22:28:32 < aandrew> ah
2016-12-05T22:28:37 < aandrew> ok $1.4 apiece
2016-12-05T22:28:40 < aandrew> much better
2016-12-05T22:28:41 < Steffanx> Who is massimo banzi BrainDamage?
2016-12-05T22:28:41 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Eh, why would you punch massimo?
2016-12-05T22:28:59 < Steffanx> Oh, tarduino.
2016-12-05T22:29:06 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: he's the original author of tarduino
2016-12-05T22:29:18 < aandrew> arduino gets a lot of shit but I'm thankful for it
2016-12-05T22:29:24 < aandrew> and a little jealous I didn't think of it
2016-12-05T22:29:30 < zyp> oh, wait
2016-12-05T22:29:34 < zyp> http://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-FCI/20021521-00010T1LF/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs%252bGHln7q6pmwodwKqstCemIUpSZ1pEhdw%3d
2016-12-05T22:29:38 < zyp> here's what you want
2016-12-05T22:29:59 < Steffanx> netduino one is cheaper.
2016-12-05T22:30:02 < Steffanx> for 10
2016-12-05T22:31:23 < Kliment> I'm very impressed with arduino for making artists play with electronics
2016-12-05T22:31:37 < Kliment> I think this is their biggest achievement by far
2016-12-05T22:32:02 < Steffanx> Maybe .. it's surely better than a peanut butter floor. :P
2016-12-05T22:38:09 < aandrew> yeah and let's face it, that was the other possible outcome :-)
2016-12-05T22:39:16 < Steffanx> Sadly it's real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pindakaasvloer
2016-12-05T22:39:28 < upgrdman> wtf, where's the firmware link  http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits/32f469idiscovery.html
2016-12-05T22:52:06 < englishman> lol is that mbed only
2016-12-05T22:53:03 < aandrew> what the fuck
2016-12-05T22:53:07 < Steffanx> What firmware is mr upgrdman looking for?
2016-12-05T22:53:14 < aandrew> who pays over a hundred thousand euro for a floor covered in peanut butter
2016-12-05T22:53:20 < aandrew> the fuck is wrong with these people
2016-12-05T22:53:33 < Steffanx> Art. aandrew. Art
2016-12-05T22:53:44 < aandrew> lol
2016-12-05T22:53:55 < aandrew> "at least three visitors accidentally walked on to the floor and were held responsible for the damage"
2016-12-05T22:53:58 < aandrew> lol fuck the fuck off
2016-12-05T22:54:12 < upgrdman> Steffanx, the demo firmware for that f469i disco board
2016-12-05T22:55:04 < Steffanx> isn't that demo TouchGFX base? ( Tectu might know what )
2016-12-05T22:55:11 < Steffanx> if so its probably the one here: http://touchgfx.com/en/try-touchgfx/demo-applications/
2016-12-05T22:55:16 < Steffanx> *based
2016-12-05T22:55:51 < Steffanx> but im not totally sure about that
2016-12-05T22:56:21 < upgrdman> Steffanx, lol. their zip is just a .hex and a .pdf
2016-12-05T22:56:30 < Steffanx> You didnt ask for the sores :P
2016-12-05T22:56:57 < upgrdman> well fuck, yes i was sores
2016-12-05T22:57:02 < upgrdman> that's all i want really
2016-12-05T22:57:13 < upgrdman> so i can refactor the fuck out of it and try to figure it out
2016-12-05T22:57:41 < Steffanx> if it's touchgfx you are screwed anyway. $$$$$$$$
2016-12-05T22:57:55 < Steffanx> We need answers Tectu. 
2016-12-05T22:58:08 < englishman> dance, Tectu 
2016-12-05T22:58:25 < upgrdman> ya i dont need that lib, i just need a starting point so i can config the periphs and write my own basic lcd lib
2016-12-05T22:58:58 < upgrdman> i plan to port my servo tester / spectrum analyzer / generic pwm firmware to it
2016-12-05T22:59:04 < upgrdman> i want the nice lcd and cap touch :)
2016-12-05T22:59:11 < Steffanx> ugfx? :P
2016-12-05T22:59:40 < aadamson> go find the cubelib for the 469 and you'll find the source
2016-12-05T22:59:57 < aadamson> I was looking at it the other day (as much as I hate cube ... :(...)
2016-12-05T23:02:23 < aadamson> well maybe I was wrong... I was looking at the source for the 746
2016-12-05T23:02:49 < aadamson> but I think, like, the std lib stuff used to be the sources for the example projects are in the cube lib now
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2016-12-05T23:04:55 < Steffanx> What brings you here so early mr stvn?
2016-12-05T23:05:55 < stvn> quality stm32 chats and meems
2016-12-05T23:07:34 < Tectu> Steffanx, it's not TouchGFX based, but there's a menu where you can launch the TouchGFX based demos from.
2016-12-05T23:07:56 < Steffanx> ok.
2016-12-05T23:07:58 < ReadErr> TheSeven: did you get your cuckedatcost working?
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2016-12-05T23:10:52 < Steffanx> cuckedatcost...? [will i regret asking?]
2016-12-05T23:11:01 < stvn> probably
2016-12-05T23:12:53 < ReadErr> http://cloudatcost.com/
2016-12-05T23:16:56 < stvn> hah
2016-12-05T23:17:24 < stvn> good work
2016-12-05T23:17:37 < ReadErr> wat
2016-12-05T23:18:07 < stvn> the cat is scratching at my door
2016-12-05T23:18:28 < ReadErr> is that code for like, fiending for drugs
2016-12-05T23:18:45 < stvn> it wants food
2016-12-05T23:18:59 < ReadErr> crippling heroin addiction
2016-12-05T23:19:00 < ReadErr> gotcha
2016-12-05T23:19:23 < stvn> i see
2016-12-05T23:20:09 < Tectu> leave o'clock
2016-12-05T23:20:12 < Steffanx> \o
2016-12-05T23:20:30 < Tectu> o/
2016-12-05T23:20:34 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNmIKakR18o
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2016-12-05T23:30:24 < stvn> help
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2016-12-05T23:34:25 < __rob> anyone know why WFE doesn't sleep the first time its called
2016-12-05T23:34:50 < __rob> I notice in the cube they do SEV,WFE,WFE 
2016-12-05T23:35:28 < __rob> presumably that will always sleep on the second WFE
2016-12-05T23:38:04 < Shavik> Good to see ST changed their forums so it broke google searches. Good thing cached links still work
2016-12-05T23:40:03 < Kliment> __rob: If the event flag is set when you call WFE, it returns immediately, but clears the event flag
2016-12-05T23:40:25 < Kliment> The second wfe then goes to sleep when it sees the event flag is cleared
2016-12-05T23:40:55 < Kliment> if the event flag is cleared when you call it, it goes to sleep immediately, then the second wfe clears the flag after wakeup
2016-12-05T23:41:06 < __rob> right, but with a projet that is pretty much void main() { __WFE(); }
2016-12-05T23:41:07 < Kliment> This way you always have a sleep and a clear
2016-12-05T23:41:07 < __rob> it wont sleep
2016-12-05T23:41:18 < Kliment> yeah, you have to call it twice anyway
2016-12-05T23:41:41 < Kliment> or use WFI
2016-12-05T23:42:07 < __rob> didn't want to have to handle the interrupt so trying WFE
2016-12-05T23:42:31 < __rob> RTC doesn't seem to wake with WFI unless NVIC is also configured
2016-12-05T23:42:42 < __rob> so then I have to have an empty interrupt handler clearing the flag
2016-12-05T23:42:44 < Steffanx> I used wfe on some l151 with RTC and don't remember i did WFE twice.
2016-12-05T23:43:05 < __rob> cube does it
2016-12-05T23:43:09 < __rob> *must* be correct
2016-12-05T23:43:29 < Steffanx> Yeah, cube is the holy grail
2016-12-05T23:45:25 < stvn> ^
2016-12-05T23:49:37 < TheSeven> ReadErr: nope
2016-12-05T23:49:56 < ReadErr> did you try to delete and re-create?
2016-12-05T23:49:57 < TheSeven> never got console access or a ping reply from my host's IP
2016-12-05T23:50:08 < TheSeven> recreated 4 times or so, rebooted like 20 times
2016-12-05T23:50:19 < TheSeven> got a total of 4 different ESXi hosts
2016-12-05T23:50:22 < TheSeven> none works
2016-12-05T23:50:34 < TheSeven> I've opened a ticket now
2016-12-05T23:51:53 < ReadErr> hmm first 3 i have in DC3 console no work
2016-12-05T23:51:58 < ReadErr> DC2 works though
2016-12-05T23:54:29 < TheSeven> but IIUC DC3 is the only one that you can create VMs in at this time? even through the API?
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2016-12-06T00:05:21 < stvn> the cat
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2016-12-06T00:07:38 < englishman> lildongs is learning ruby
2016-12-06T00:07:45 < englishman> i think hes going to become an outdoor cat soon
2016-12-06T00:10:22 < stvn> a snow cat
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2016-12-06T00:28:52 < upgrdman> in lunix how do you see what processes are tied to a port (tcp port)
2016-12-06T00:28:59 < upgrdman> ps something?
2016-12-06T00:36:41 < stvn> ask ohsix 
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2016-12-06T00:41:26 < Kliment> upgrdman: netstat -l
2016-12-06T00:41:33 < upgrdman> k
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2016-12-06T00:52:33 < ReadErr> lsof
2016-12-06T00:52:51 < ReadErr> Gives more details depending what you need
2016-12-06T00:53:36 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: add -p to get process info
2016-12-06T01:01:08 < ReadErr> lsof -p PID
2016-12-06T01:01:41 < ReadErr> lsof -i :port
2016-12-06T01:01:54 < ReadErr> -n for no dns
2016-12-06T01:03:04 < stvn> http://indianexpress.com/article/india/dancer-shot-dead-on-stage-by-drunk-man-in-punjab/
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2016-12-06T01:23:00 < jadew> wtf is a punjab?
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2016-12-06T01:25:38 < jadew> this is why I don't like weddings
2016-12-06T01:27:56 < jadew> also, who brings weapons to a wedding?
2016-12-06T01:30:42 < stvn> when you kill one, it is a tragedy
2016-12-06T01:30:50 < stvn> when you kill 10 million, it is a statistic
2016-12-06T01:30:56 < karlp> punjab is a place.
2016-12-06T01:31:50 < jadew> karlp, it was either that or a style of life/religion
2016-12-06T01:32:36 < jadew> I'll keep in mind not to go to weddings if I ever find myself in Punjab then
2016-12-06T01:32:59 < karlp> hell no, an indian wedding is a superb experience, not to be missed
2016-12-06T01:33:27 < zyp> the safest way is to never leave your mother's basement
2016-12-06T01:33:34  * karlp giggles
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2016-12-06T01:34:51 < englishman> risky business
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2016-12-06T01:35:33 < jadew> https://www.segatoys.space/en/public/original.html
2016-12-06T01:35:38 < jadew> really neat toy
2016-12-06T01:36:22 < jadew> it really looks good
2016-12-06T01:36:35 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-06T01:37:06 < jadew> and they're interchangeable
2016-12-06T01:37:39 < jadew> yeah, but then you need a HD projector
2016-12-06T01:38:08 < jadew> wouldn't let that running while I'd fall asleep
2016-12-06T01:39:12 < jadew> I think there's a bright future ahead
2016-12-06T01:40:27 < jadew> even the little glasses that work with phones are amazing
2016-12-06T01:40:40 < jadew> but they're laggy, so you get sick
2016-12-06T01:41:01 < jadew> not expensive either tbh
2016-12-06T01:42:33 < jadew> well, you can get one of those cardboard glasses and at least get a glimpse at what can be done
2016-12-06T01:43:02 < jadew> you'd think so, but no
2016-12-06T01:43:09 < jadew> I mean, it sucks
2016-12-06T01:43:12 < jadew> but it's still amazing
2016-12-06T01:43:52 < jadew> yes, but not with everything
2016-12-06T01:44:00 < jadew> VR movies are ok
2016-12-06T01:44:12 < jadew> doesn't matter much if there's a bit of lag
2016-12-06T01:45:34 < jadew> oh well, I can't spend even $300 now, I'm on a budget
2016-12-06T01:46:24 < jadew> no
2016-12-06T01:46:27 < jadew> not colored
2016-12-06T01:46:52 < jadew> something like this: https://rok7-y18liv4liuemyu8u.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/15vrbox.jpg
2016-12-06T01:46:59 < jadew> costs ~ $10
2016-12-06T01:47:18 < jadew> ah, hehe
2016-12-06T01:48:42 < jadew> the problem with those is that adjusting the optics is a PITA
2016-12-06T01:49:21 < jadew> LeelooMinai, it might work better, but it's probably more complex
2016-12-06T01:51:29 < jadew> probably the HTC Vive has a wider field of view
2016-12-06T01:52:41 < jadew> nice
2016-12-06T01:55:33 < jadew> thing is, that it requires an expensive video card as it is
2016-12-06T01:59:31 < jadew> LeelooMinai, they're already using it for other stuff
2016-12-06T01:59:40 < jadew> ikea is has entire houses in VR
2016-12-06T02:02:23 < jadew> 100k units?
2016-12-06T02:04:43 < aandrew> I get VR sickness from reality. I can't imagine VR/AR with lag
2016-12-06T02:04:46 < aandrew> even minimal lag
2016-12-06T02:04:54 < aandrew> er ot VR sickness, motion sickness/vertigo
2016-12-06T02:05:19 < aandrew> speakin gof which it's been particualry bad lately. not hold on to the floor trying to hold on, but just annoying makes me walk like I'm drunk
2016-12-06T02:05:37 < aandrew> I used to be like that. reading in the car woudl bring it on in minutes
2016-12-06T02:05:43 < aandrew> once I started driving though it was over
2016-12-06T02:05:47 < aandrew> as in it's not a problem
2016-12-06T02:05:55 < aandrew> but this stuff that came on in the last few years... ugh
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2016-12-06T02:52:36 < dongs> jadew: nice autism, i had to make my irc window longer to see all your lonely chats
2016-12-06T02:52:59 < dongs> longer = taller
2016-12-06T02:53:25 < ReadErr> https://i.redd.it/6jzu6933bo1y.png
2016-12-06T02:53:38 < dongs> not funny
2016-12-06T02:54:31 < dongs> R2COM: you said that. then I looked into getting it for free w/1070 cuz that spam is all over nvidia site. then I couldnt figure out how to redeem the shit, so I asked a pal if it was pirated. and its 62gb. so i said fuckit and lost interest.
2016-12-06T02:54:48 < dongs> R2COM: sounds like typical afternoon in SF
2016-12-06T02:54:57 < dongs> thats what you'd be talkin about if you moved tehre to work for nvidia
2016-12-06T02:55:43 < dongs> you get these sudden urges to fondle cocks
2016-12-06T02:55:54 < dongs> just like leelooman gets sudden urges to insert lots of :) in his chats
2016-12-06T02:56:42 < dongs> im going to altidumb seminar
2016-12-06T02:56:46 < dongs> at least its free
2016-12-06T02:57:39 < dongs> ya out
2016-12-06T02:57:55 < dongs> they failed with upgrade
2016-12-06T02:58:31 < dongs> first they did that usual thing of 16 not upgradeable to 17
2016-12-06T02:58:38 < dongs> as they did with 14->16 or whatever
2016-12-06T02:58:44 < dongs> then i let 17 import prefs
2016-12-06T02:58:58 < dongs> then I loaded first pcb in it
2016-12-06T02:59:01 < dongs> and it looked nasty
2016-12-06T02:59:23 < dongs> because board insight color override was reset back to square blocks of color instead of solid how i set it
2016-12-06T02:59:29 < dongs> but when i go to prefs, it WAS set to solid
2016-12-06T02:59:45 < dongs> so i had to set it to random then back to solid to reet
2016-12-06T02:59:49 < dongs> er to reset
2016-12-06T02:59:53 < dongs> terrible delphi coding
2016-12-06T03:00:24 < dongs> nah i havent touched activeroute or whatever other shit they had
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2016-12-06T03:00:33 < dongs> everythign else seems about samea
2016-12-06T03:00:48 < dongs> same
2016-12-06T03:01:02 < dongs> cheapear if you upgrade
2016-12-06T03:02:00 < dongs> pretty sure they don't lol
2016-12-06T03:03:09 < dongs> but i donno. they have lots of local resellers. maybe those can arrange something
2016-12-06T03:06:50 < dongs> their east coast office is in westwood, ma
2016-12-06T03:07:09 < dongs> you can get there in your shitmobile in 30 mins
2016-12-06T03:07:14 < dongs> and ask them face to face
2016-12-06T03:08:13 < dongs> go and trash their office before leaving rite
2016-12-06T03:08:59 < dongs> so do pros in AZ pay you more than current job?
2016-12-06T03:10:49 < dongs> you can lease that BMW sooner.
2016-12-06T03:12:49 < dongs> but 2 hours in tesla is only 1 hr
2016-12-06T03:12:50 < Laurenceb_> R2COM is in Arizona?
2016-12-06T03:13:05 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-12-06T03:13:13 < Laurenceb_> it looks like a kind of cool place
2016-12-06T03:13:26 < Laurenceb_> less awful than california
2016-12-06T03:13:48 < Laurenceb_> not as shit as texas
2016-12-06T03:17:08 < dongs> R2COM: is watchdongs2 fun
2016-12-06T03:17:19 < dongs> 1st one was absolutely boring
2016-12-06T03:17:32 < dongs> deleted after like 10 mins of gameplay
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2016-12-06T03:18:03 < jadew> dongs, I thought you had LeelooMinai out of the ignore list
2016-12-06T03:18:14 < dongs> jadew: lol why the fuck would i
2016-12-06T03:18:26 < dongs> me and half the channel does
2016-12-06T03:18:32 < dongs> zero tranny tolerance
2016-12-06T03:19:44 < dongs> btw donno what you were bloggin about but i got vive. its fucking gr8.
2016-12-06T03:19:52 < dongs> i dont have anything to compare it with of course but
2016-12-06T03:20:10 < jadew> dongs, neat, when did you get it?
2016-12-06T03:20:28 < dongs> about a month ago or somethin i guess
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2016-12-06T03:20:54 < dongs> stuff is seriously neat
2016-12-06T03:21:01 < jadew> nice, how's the content so far?
2016-12-06T03:21:05 < jadew> still in beta?
2016-12-06T03:21:24 < jadew> that was the biggest complaint
2016-12-06T03:21:33 < jadew> *used to be
2016-12-06T03:21:52 < dongs> there's stuff, most of it is even free
2016-12-06T03:29:16 < dongs> hey shitback
2016-12-06T03:29:20 < dongs> you tweeted that yesterday
2016-12-06T03:29:24 < dongs> and it wasn't funny back then
2016-12-06T03:29:30 < dongs> irc has this feature called "privmsg"
2016-12-06T03:29:37 < dongs> you use it by typing /msg LeelooMinai youre a fag
2016-12-06T03:29:43 < dongs> you can replace "youre a fag" with your link
2016-12-06T03:34:39 < englishman> has the novelty worn off
2016-12-06T03:35:01 < englishman> when it does  give us the review
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2016-12-06T03:46:52 < Laurenceb_> someone went full pizzagate
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2016-12-06T03:47:15 < Laurenceb_> inb4 flyback sends pics of his fetid dick
2016-12-06T03:49:07 < Laurenceb_> Two women reporters investigating the Finish Finance Minister, who has ties to Clinton, for child trafficking have been murdered by what appears to be an MKultra assassin. The Comet Ping Pong false flag was, in part, likely a distraction from this story. 
2016-12-06T03:49:21 < Laurenceb_> moar dramaz than emdrive and zano combined
2016-12-06T03:50:28 < Laurenceb_> if anyone visits /r/conspiracy on reddit its a shit fest with Bigfoot and UFOs, obvious CIA honeypot is obvious
2016-12-06T03:50:31 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling
2016-12-06T03:51:33  * Laurenceb_ pictures CIA basement filled with bigfoot spammers
2016-12-06T03:52:59 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/302140838734 bwahaha
2016-12-06T03:53:03 < dongs> NIGOL
2016-12-06T03:53:11 < dongs> chinks cloning chinks
2016-12-06T03:53:42 < __rob> there any problem with changing the APB1 timer prescalers when things are running
2016-12-06T03:53:57 < __rob> I want to be able to switch to low power run mode which is 32khz
2016-12-06T03:53:57 < Laurenceb_> dunno never tried
2016-12-06T03:54:06 < __rob> from 4mhz
2016-12-06T03:54:15 < __rob> so easiest way to keep the timer constant is to change the prescaler
2016-12-06T03:55:01 < __rob> i think..
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2016-12-06T04:03:54 < jadew> next up: SlGLENT
2016-12-06T04:05:11 < jadew> atten? :D
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2016-12-06T04:05:26 < dongs> what are those clones of?
2016-12-06T04:05:39 < jadew> dongs, which ones?
2016-12-06T04:05:44 < dongs> siglent/atten
2016-12-06T04:05:53 < jadew> pretty sure they're the same company
2016-12-06T04:06:42 < jadew> and siglent is making some of the lecroy scopes
2016-12-06T04:06:53 < jadew> the low end ones
2016-12-06T04:07:21 < jadew> for agilent
2016-12-06T04:08:56 < jadew> it's going to be interesting to see how the economy evolves because of how much know how is being transfered to china
2016-12-06T04:13:04 < jadew> yeah, but what will happen to the rest of the world
2016-12-06T04:13:15 < jadew> things will get cheap, but nobody will be able to compete with china
2016-12-06T04:15:30 < __rob> http://qz.com/771727/chinas-factories-in-shenzhen-can-copy-products-at-breakneck-speed-and-its-time-for-the-rest-of-the-world-to-get-over-it/
2016-12-06T04:15:34 < __rob> that says it all about china
2016-12-06T04:15:47 < dongs> thats a fake article
2016-12-06T04:16:01 < dongs> made by the shitty dickstarter campaign after people found out they were just reselling trash from china
2016-12-06T04:16:17 < __rob> ohh right
2016-12-06T04:16:19 < __rob> still true tho
2016-12-06T04:16:29 < __rob> pretty quick at ripping stuff off
2016-12-06T04:17:31 < __rob> last I looked the kickstarter still hadn't fulfilled its backers tho
2016-12-06T04:17:55 < __rob> you'd think if it was fake, he'd have bought a load of them and filled the orders
2016-12-06T04:19:02 < jadew> if it's easy to copy it's not worth doing
2016-12-06T04:20:21 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I don't think it will affect me and my son is learning chinese in kindergarten, so I'm not worried
2016-12-06T04:22:10 < jadew> heh, yeah, hopefully in a couple of years he'll help me buy stuff from taobao
2016-12-06T04:28:54 < Thorn> macro lens -> microscope -> microscope immersion lens -> electron microscope
2016-12-06T04:29:01 < Thorn> lots of ways
2016-12-06T04:29:12 < jadew> or you can just shave
2016-12-06T04:30:16 < dongs> no
2016-12-06T04:30:20 < dongs> looks like regular TFT garbage
2016-12-06T04:30:40 < jadew> it doesn't say
2016-12-06T04:30:46 < jadew> but does 144 Hz so it must be?
2016-12-06T04:30:49 < dongs> if it doesnt say, its not IPS
2016-12-06T04:31:17 < jadew> isn't IPS slower than TN?
2016-12-06T04:31:44 < jadew> R2COM, good TN > mediocre IPS
2016-12-06T04:32:07 < jadew> R2COM, IPS means better viewing angle and more accurate colors
2016-12-06T04:32:12 < jadew> but it also means less contrast
2016-12-06T04:32:20 < jadew> and I believe lower response time
2016-12-06T04:32:36 < jadew> also, the issue with the angle on TNs is accentuated because of the LEDs
2016-12-06T04:32:42 < jadew> (because of their color spectrum)
2016-12-06T04:32:51 < jadew> the color shift is more visible
2016-12-06T04:33:07 < jadew> so good TNs, with good lighting should be better than regular ISP
2016-12-06T04:33:08 < jadew> IPS
2016-12-06T04:33:39 < jadew> R2COM, so look for the response time specs
2016-12-06T04:33:44 < jadew> but generally speaking TN is super fast
2016-12-06T04:33:55 < jadew> at least the current ones
2016-12-06T04:34:03 < jadew> that's not awfully fast
2016-12-06T04:34:39 < jadew> yeah, 2ms will definitely make your mouse disappear and appear in the next spot
2016-12-06T04:34:59 < jadew> LeelooMinai, why?
2016-12-06T04:35:51 < jadew> just for highger resolution?
2016-12-06T04:37:44 < jadew> ah, well, I'm on 1024x768, so I can't tell the difference between more pixels and even more pixels
2016-12-06T04:38:04 < dongs> gameplus on screen timer what
2016-12-06T04:39:17 < jadew> I also have a 24" HD display, but I don't like using it too much
2016-12-06T04:39:32 < jadew> I'd like a higher resolution display for programming, but it would also have to be much larger than 24"
2016-12-06T04:39:40 < jadew> maybe like... 35
2016-12-06T04:39:50 < dongs> > built in speakers
2016-12-06T04:39:51 < dongs> shitheap
2016-12-06T04:40:07 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I use that one too, but not for programming
2016-12-06T04:40:21 < dongs> jadew enjoys coding on CRT only
2016-12-06T04:40:48 < jadew> tbh, I don't even like the colors on the 24" one
2016-12-06T04:40:59 < dongs> i know why
2016-12-06T04:41:07 < dongs> cuz you cheaped the fuck out and got shit with wled backlight
2016-12-06T04:41:34 < jadew> dongs, I wasn't going to pay $800 for a monitor
2016-12-06T04:41:46 < dongs> jadew, you look at the fucking thing 12 hours a day
2016-12-06T04:41:50 < englishman> 24" 4k are like $250 now
2016-12-06T04:41:58 < dongs> englishman: yeah, garbage ones
2016-12-06T04:42:04 < dongs> like the shit R2NONPRO is about to buy
2016-12-06T04:42:04 < englishman> well that dell
2016-12-06T04:42:05 < jadew> dongs, that's a good point hehe
2016-12-06T04:42:15 < englishman> same ones you got
2016-12-06T04:42:31 < dongs> UP2414Q rly? 
2016-12-06T04:42:35 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/AcceptableOrnateAnt
2016-12-06T04:42:39 < englishman> No 2415
2016-12-06T04:42:45 < upgrdman> ^ how i imagine r2com
2016-12-06T04:42:59 < dongs> yeah 2415 is wled.
2016-12-06T04:43:03 < dongs> nothx
2016-12-06T04:43:16 < englishman> works for me. But I'm not a gamer
2016-12-06T04:43:33 < dongs> im trying to remember if I bought one
2016-12-06T04:44:10 < upgrdman> R2COM, :)
2016-12-06T04:44:34 < jadew> you know what I hate about DELLs?
2016-12-06T04:44:38 < jadew> the shiny logo
2016-12-06T04:44:45 < dongs> the what logo
2016-12-06T04:44:59 < jadew> the fucking logo is mirror like
2016-12-06T04:45:09 < jadew> if you move, you can see your reflection in it
2016-12-06T04:45:09 < dongs> you mean the shit in the front?
2016-12-06T04:45:12 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-06T04:45:19 < dongs> black electrical tape exists
2016-12-06T04:45:36 < dongs> jadew: that reminds me
2016-12-06T04:45:46 < jadew> dongs, did that with my previous one, but not before applying black nail polish
2016-12-06T04:45:51 < dongs> i went to broadcast expo last month and they had some 4K stuff on a screen
2016-12-06T04:45:56 < dongs> in like panasonic or something booth
2016-12-06T04:45:59 < dongs> wiht dell logo t aped up
2016-12-06T04:46:05 < dongs> but the huge dell on teh back was still there
2016-12-06T04:46:41 < jadew> R2COM, do what dongs did, get the vive
2016-12-06T04:47:21 < dongs> R2 favorite games dont work in VR
2016-12-06T04:47:41 < dongs> he'd need one of these things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugn9YHyvtS8
2016-12-06T04:48:13 < jadew> haha
2016-12-06T04:48:40 < dongs> no
2016-12-06T04:51:10 < jadew> dongs, comment on that video: "gamers will be the most fit people ever."
2016-12-06T04:52:42 < dongs> curved shit is for fags. 1ms shit is a lie anyway
2016-12-06T04:53:22 < dongs> 144Hz is fucking 6.9ms
2016-12-06T04:53:29 < jadew> LeelooMinai, kickstart it
2016-12-06T04:53:34 < dongs> what is the point of stating 1ms when that doesnt even matter
2016-12-06T04:55:03 < dongs> to dow hat?
2016-12-06T04:55:05 < dongs> to do what?
2016-12-06T04:55:10 < dongs> 144hz = 6.9ms/frame
2016-12-06T04:55:16 < dongs> what is the point of "1ms"
2016-12-06T04:55:31 < dongs> because retard
2016-12-06T04:55:40 < dongs> gamers selling shit to dumb gamers
2016-12-06T04:56:53 < dongs> Panel
2016-12-06T04:56:54 < dongs> TN
2016-12-06T04:57:06 < jadew> R2COM, if you're buying TN, buy it from the store
2016-12-06T04:57:13 < jadew> so you can test it
2016-12-06T04:57:33 < jadew> and by test it, I mean, try a few angles, most importantly (from above and from below)
2016-12-06T04:57:38 < jadew> or that
2016-12-06T04:57:39 < dongs> or that.
2016-12-06T04:57:54 < dongs> but TN is just aids
2016-12-06T04:58:16 < dongs> i do wonder why trhe fuck they even bother advertising 1ms
2016-12-06T05:00:37 < jadew> my last sentence had too much punctuation
2016-12-06T05:00:52 < jadew> I should probably sleep, but I'm trying to screw up my sleep schedule
2016-12-06T05:01:12 < dongs> pretty sure youre the only pro gamer in here
2016-12-06T05:01:16 < jadew> turns out staying awake during the day is not very efficient
2016-12-06T05:01:28 < jadew> R2COM, I don't know, I only play worms
2016-12-06T05:01:46 < dongs> truly a faggot game
2016-12-06T05:01:51 < jadew> TNs are advertised for gaming tho
2016-12-06T05:02:00 < jadew> dongs, best game ever
2016-12-06T05:02:27 < jadew> it's better than chess
2016-12-06T05:02:49 < jadew> because the odds are sometimes so against you, that you can only win through amazing strategy
2016-12-06T05:03:09 < jadew> there's a lot of randomness in it, which makes it extra challenging
2016-12-06T05:03:36 < jadew> LeelooMinai, except in chess everyone starts with the same opportunities
2016-12-06T05:04:12 < jadew> in worms you can start in bad positions or blocked and you may have general bad luck during the game
2016-12-06T05:04:15 < dongs> worms strategy was basically decided by gorillas.bas
2016-12-06T05:04:20 < jadew> and there's also the fact that you have to game the players
2016-12-06T05:04:23 < dongs> anything beyond that is just shitty preetty graphics
2016-12-06T05:04:36 < jadew> because if they see that you're better, they'll gang up on you
2016-12-06T05:04:45 < dongs> and iuf you play gorillas.bas youre a fag
2016-12-06T05:05:05 < jadew> dongs, it's not like that, it's very different now
2016-12-06T05:06:07 < dongs>  does curved make you see more shit
2016-12-06T05:06:14 < dongs> < R2COM> 4x slower than 1ms one
2016-12-06T05:06:25 < dongs> still below 6.9ms that it actually needs to refresh at 144
2016-12-06T05:07:30 < dongs> ya thats jadew favorite game
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2016-12-06T05:07:58 < jadew> I played that too...
2016-12-06T05:10:21 < dongs> altidumb looks pro as shit on gtx1070
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2016-12-06T05:13:17 < dongs> that projection looks trash
2016-12-06T05:14:46 < jadew> so gorillas.bas
2016-12-06T05:15:29 < jadew> you didn't play reloaded
2016-12-06T05:15:35 < jadew> it's much better than revolution
2016-12-06T05:15:41 < jadew> revolution is a step back
2016-12-06T05:15:42 < dongs> gorillas.bas reloaded?
2016-12-06T05:15:44 < jadew> they changed everything
2016-12-06T05:16:04 < jadew> dongs, yeah, you said you had a steam account, give it a try
2016-12-06T05:17:05 < dongs> wait
2016-12-06T05:17:05 < upgrdman> "oops" https://gfycat.com/CleverIllfatedFennecfox
2016-12-06T05:17:09 < jadew> http://store.steampowered.com/app/22600/
2016-12-06T05:17:13 < dongs> steam allows refunding within 2 weeks/< 10hours gameplay right
2016-12-06T05:17:17 < dongs> do tehy get pissy if you refund a lot?
2016-12-06T05:17:31 < dongs> cuz i dont think i've ever spent more than 10 hours on any game
2016-12-06T05:17:37 < dongs> usually shift-del'd within 5 mins
2016-12-06T05:18:00 < dongs> no savegames? fuck off
2016-12-06T05:18:09 < jadew> what save games?
2016-12-06T05:18:17 < dongs> you know, press a key to save game
2016-12-06T05:18:20 < jadew> you're talking about worms?
2016-12-06T05:18:23 < dongs> so you dont have to repeat same fuckign shit over and over and over
2016-12-06T05:18:28 < jadew> it's a multiplayer game
2016-12-06T05:18:32 < dongs> no im talking about any game that is a shitty console port
2016-12-06T05:18:37 < jadew> you fight once and you're done
2016-12-06T05:18:43 < jadew> ah
2016-12-06T05:21:11 < dongs> no wonder youre lookingfor a new =job
2016-12-06T05:21:15 < dongs> your current place fired you for gayming too much
2016-12-06T05:21:25 < upgrdman> nice vehicle entertainment system location   https://i.reddituploads.com/26ea044d90d94a489ab02c0ef9926c0b?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=f9eed7632a31246dc258e4b913d265ca
2016-12-06T05:21:59 < jadew> it's for the kids
2016-12-06T05:22:46 < ohsix> huhuhu
2016-12-06T05:23:06 < ohsix> was fixing bk precision 2120 earlier and i realized i coudl have had a youtub video when i was putting the screws back in
2016-12-06T05:23:09 < ohsix> :<
2016-12-06T05:23:18 < ohsix> should i fake finding the problem
2016-12-06T05:25:20 < jadew> it's for this: http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uuuploads/long-exposure-photography-examples/long-exposure-photography-11.jpg
2016-12-06T05:25:34 < dongs> what is
2016-12-06T05:25:37 < ohsix> it was designed in like the late 70s, it's all through hole single sided, looks like old stuff made in japan
2016-12-06T05:25:38 < dongs> is tehre autism?
2016-12-06T05:26:12 < jadew> dongs, we were talking about the displays on that car
2016-12-06T05:26:48 < ohsix> there's a bunch of 'missing' parts cuz they just swapped shit for new versions, like the part that failed, an r5000 diode, it replaced 3 1n4007's in series, fewer solder joints i guess
2016-12-06T05:26:51 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I think that it has to do more with how big monitors are expected to be than with anything else
2016-12-06T05:27:49 < jadew> ohsix, is it actually made by them?
2016-12-06T05:28:09 < jadew> LeelooMinai, get a TV
2016-12-06T05:31:21 < jadew> is bk precission manufacturing anything anymore?
2016-12-06T05:31:34 < jadew> I don't understand how these companies stay in business
2016-12-06T05:37:05 < ohsix> if you play gorillas.bas it's 1992 and you're in the computer lab
2016-12-06T05:38:30 < jadew> and it was great
2016-12-06T05:39:49 < jadew> then scorched earth came along and was even better
2016-12-06T05:40:26 < ohsix> upgrdman: it's kind of a thing to have displays on the back of seats you can't even see, and other places lul, those headrests aren't that expensive
2016-12-06T05:40:38 < ohsix> jadew: it was, in the 80s or whatever
2016-12-06T05:40:47 < upgrdman> mhmm
2016-12-06T05:40:55 < ohsix> jadew: i had a java scorched earth game i hosted ages ago, we played it loadz
2016-12-06T05:41:07 < ohsix> http://www.scorch2000.com/
2016-12-06T05:41:37 < jadew> we used to play it on THE 486 at the club
2016-12-06T05:41:38 < ohsix> it's fr33
2016-12-06T05:41:57 < ohsix> once people got too strategic, like, usign dirt bombs to deal with people, everyone stopped playing
2016-12-06T05:42:04 < jadew> I think the number of people in that club never exceeded 6
2016-12-06T05:43:10 < jadew> I don't remember the game itself, I just remember we had lots of fun with it
2016-12-06T05:43:12 < ohsix> the idea that that could have been 12-14 years ago is nuts
2016-12-06T05:43:17 < ohsix> it is fun ya
2016-12-06T05:43:25 < ohsix> there's a napalm weapon that causes kewl fire
2016-12-06T05:43:39 < upgrdman> interesting. i need to convert raw bytes into floats. i wanted to see which was faster in java: "float f = ByteBuffer.wrap(bytes).order(ByteOrder.LITTLE_ENDIAN).getFloat();" or "float f = Float.intBitsToFloat((bytes[0] <<  0) | (bytes[1] <<  8) | (bytes[2] << 16) | (bytes[3] << 24));"    and for 10 million cycles, they're the same (within 0.1%)
2016-12-06T05:44:02 < upgrdman> wonder how the bytebuffer gets so efficient, or maybe how inefficient the intBitsToFloat is
2016-12-06T05:44:11 < dongs> haha
2016-12-06T05:44:41 < jadew> upgrdman, it probably gets optimized
2016-12-06T05:45:15 < upgrdman> ya i can set the JIT kick in
2016-12-06T05:45:26 < upgrdman> just surprised at how well it worked
2016-12-06T05:45:34 < upgrdman> what i didnt check tho was memory usage or GC fuckery
2016-12-06T05:47:37 < ohsix> choptimized
2016-12-06T05:48:00 < ohsix> eh, they probably do the same thing
2016-12-06T05:48:43 < upgrdman> ohsix, well for small cycles, the bytebuffer is slower. for 50,000 cycles the bytebuffer way is ~30% slower.
2016-12-06T05:49:10 < dongs> are you sure your timing way is correct then?
2016-12-06T05:49:14 < upgrdman> and the difference seems to linearly drop as the cycle count increases toward 1 million
2016-12-06T05:50:24 < upgrdman> dongs, not 100% sure but i think im doing it right:  http://pastebin.com/zmLRfSyG
2016-12-06T05:51:33 < dongs> upgrdman: java has no unsigned right? so if millis overflows your shit isnt properly handdled
2016-12-06T05:52:06 < upgrdman> correct, only signed, but millis will not overflow anytime soon
2016-12-06T05:52:53 < dongs> ok, not during that calculation?
2016-12-06T05:53:06 < dongs> 1_000_000_000 wghat the dick is taht?
2016-12-06T05:53:07 < ohsix> upgrdman: shrug, fixed overhead that's amortized by one and not the other
2016-12-06T05:53:10 < dongs> is that a java thing
2016-12-06T05:53:18 < upgrdman> millis is a unix dickstamp. not going to overflow this year
2016-12-06T05:53:21 < ohsix> you avoid the .order/.wrap calls by shifting yourself
2016-12-06T05:53:36 < upgrdman> dongs, iirc c can do that too? _ is ignored in integer literals
2016-12-06T05:53:44 < dongs> interesting. never tried
2016-12-06T05:53:56 < upgrdman> its just to make it easier to see big numbers
2016-12-06T05:54:08 < dongs> no
2016-12-06T05:54:10 < dongs> doesnt work in C
2016-12-06T05:54:15 < dongs> jsut tried.
2016-12-06T05:54:15 < upgrdman> hmm ok
2016-12-06T05:54:26 < ohsix> integer boners
2016-12-06T05:54:46 < ohsix> !!error: unable to find numeric literal operator 'operator""_000'
2016-12-06T05:54:47 < ohsix> 4
2016-12-06T05:55:08 < ohsix> that's a weird error
2016-12-06T05:55:14 < ohsix> oh
2016-12-06T05:55:27 < ohsix> it's c++ junk, you can have an operator _000
2016-12-06T05:55:39 < englishman> to make it look nicer just #define 1_THOUSAND_MILLION 1000000000 like a gcc pro
2016-12-06T05:55:42 < ohsix> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/user_literal
2016-12-06T05:55:56 < ohsix> you could define operator _THOUSAND_MILLION for the type
2016-12-06T05:56:30 < ohsix> that's really dumb though, haha
2016-12-06T05:57:07 < upgrdman> englishman, lol. that just makes it less readable
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2016-12-06T06:03:29 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/drowsebuster/db-e-smart-gadget-that-prevent-drowsy-driving
2016-12-06T06:04:13 < ohsix> seems legit
2016-12-06T06:04:54 < upgrdman> http://68.media.tumblr.com/f4bdedc6f839b76e7486a3ea4febe5cb/tumblr_ohjejuvGvq1vah69to1_1280.jpg
2016-12-06T06:05:36 < ohsix> art is great
2016-12-06T06:05:49 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/GenuineValuableHogget
2016-12-06T06:06:18 < ohsix> there are 'meme' sites that ocr images
2016-12-06T06:06:27 < ohsix> and that cheddar one is on there, they win google
2016-12-06T06:07:20 < ohsix> lul i've seen the santa under the poop
2016-12-06T06:14:10 < ohsix> 55k files in openjdk tree
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2016-12-06T06:14:31 < ohsix> 1.8gb of git stuff, files even moar
2016-12-06T06:24:58 < ohsix> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/libcore/+/49965c1/ojluni/src/main/java/sun/nio/ch/NativeObject.java#302
2016-12-06T06:26:03 < ohsix> i've changed my mind, i don't want to know
2016-12-06T06:26:07 < ohsix> wrapper-itis
2016-12-06T06:26:44 < ohsix> though having that go to native code called 'unsafe' sounds like a fun place to look at stuff
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2016-12-06T06:31:56 < ohsix> https://adtmag.com/blogs/watersworks/2015/08/java-9-hack.aspx lul
2016-12-06T06:34:18 < ohsix> https://github.com/dmlloyd/openjdk/blob/jdk9/jdk9/jdk/src/java.base/share/classes/jdk/internal/misc/Unsafe.java#L238
2016-12-06T06:35:09 < ohsix> hrmpgh
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2016-12-06T07:01:23 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Blower-Motor-Resistor-HVAC-Heater-for-Mercury-Tracer-Ford-Escort-BMR15380-/262708999327?fits=Year%3A1991%7CMake%3AFord%7CModel%3AEscort&hash=item3d2aad349f:g:q5gAAOSwMVdYIHdR&vxp=mtr this right here is the dumbest shit ever
2016-12-06T07:01:27 < ohsix> cheap, but dumb as hell
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2016-12-06T07:41:47 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/tT_H_LcXyeU?t=580
2016-12-06T07:42:37 < ohsix> englishman spotted
2016-12-06T07:42:57 < ohsix> goofy is the best word ever
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2016-12-06T07:48:07 < englishman> fuck off ohsix 
2016-12-06T07:48:24 < englishman> this is like the worst bottom of the barrel shit you can find on the internet
2016-12-06T07:48:35 < englishman> and i dont even have to click i know what youre linking
2016-12-06T07:49:38 < englishman> i'm always amazed that americans can generate such dumb content and people consume it
2016-12-06T07:50:19 < stvn> lol
2016-12-06T07:52:32 < ohsix> what part
2016-12-06T07:52:40 < ohsix> they're talking about gifs from a subreddit
2016-12-06T07:53:07 < ohsix> i want one of those tennisball things, where did you get it
2016-12-06T07:53:07 < englishman> are you kidding i didnt click on your shitty link
2016-12-06T07:53:15 < ohsix> k
2016-12-06T07:53:19 < ohsix> what's 'this' then
2016-12-06T07:53:21 < ohsix> olol
2016-12-06T07:53:29 < ohsix> JUKE
2016-12-06T07:54:03 < englishman> all i see is the inline image pulled from jewtube
2016-12-06T07:54:48 < englishman> and i'm already offended by your low quality white people
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2016-12-06T07:58:35 < ohsix> scientology is running ads on youtube
2016-12-06T07:58:49 < ohsix> 'Scientology - How We Help' is the title of one of them
2016-12-06T07:59:00 < ohsix> englishman: :[ it was a joke man
2016-12-06T07:59:04 < ohsix> ethan and hila are awesome :[
2016-12-06T07:59:15 < englishman> no they are white trash
2016-12-06T07:59:21 < englishman> i feel bad for even knowing who that is
2016-12-06T07:59:26 < ohsix> hila is israeli
2016-12-06T07:59:59 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHrMkAsGFlE
2016-12-06T08:00:10 < stvn> no
2016-12-06T08:00:15 < englishman> never link that fucking shit again
2016-12-06T08:00:17 < englishman> fuck off
2016-12-06T08:00:18 < stvn> no more youtube today
2016-12-06T08:00:23 < englishman> fuck you /ignored
2016-12-06T08:00:30 < ohsix> get rekt
2016-12-06T08:00:37 < ohsix> :[
2016-12-06T08:01:10 < ohsix> what a joyless wasteland
2016-12-06T08:02:15 < ReadErr> you hate white people englishman ? 
2016-12-06T08:02:18 < ReadErr> lets start a gang
2016-12-06T08:02:22 < ReadErr> I myself hate white people
2016-12-06T08:02:30 < englishman> i only hate the ones of very low quality
2016-12-06T08:02:35 < englishman> inferior breeding
2016-12-06T08:02:39 < englishman> so its still racist, which is ok
2016-12-06T08:03:00 < ReadErr> inferior, more like family interior amirite
2016-12-06T08:03:17 < englishman> interior crocodile alligator
2016-12-06T08:04:49 < ReadErr> im not turning on 3rd party previews until james adds fucking whitelisting
2016-12-06T08:04:57 < ReadErr> no telling what kind of filth is going to scroll by
2016-12-06T08:04:58 < ohsix> james?
2016-12-06T08:05:05 < ReadErr> urkcloud guy
2016-12-06T08:05:19 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZwhNFOn4ik
2016-12-06T08:05:20 < ReadErr> it will do inline previews 
2016-12-06T08:05:25 < ReadErr> but its all or none
2016-12-06T08:05:49 < ohsix> oic
2016-12-06T08:05:53 < ohsix> do it man, life is short
2016-12-06T08:05:56 < englishman> i do it per-channel
2016-12-06T08:06:03 < englishman> but apparently ##stm32 is no longer a safe space
2016-12-06T08:06:05 < ohsix> twitter does lightboxes for stuff
2016-12-06T08:06:07 < englishman> with all this garbage
2016-12-06T08:06:18 < ReadErr> ah yea I guess freenode wouldnt be as bad
2016-12-06T08:06:24 < ReadErr> damn sure aint doin that on efnet
2016-12-06T08:06:28 < englishman> nope
2016-12-06T08:06:30 < ohsix> http://www.brittanyzagoria.com/Birds-and-Dicks-2012-2014
2016-12-06T08:06:51 < ohsix> i was in a public place when she was posting these to twitter
2016-12-06T08:06:59 < ohsix> it was gr8
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2016-12-06T08:08:04 < ohsix> if mailbag is daves most popular segment, why isn't there more
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2016-12-06T08:10:57 < ohsix> sup ReadErr did you westworld
2016-12-06T08:11:21 < ReadErr> nah i slept for like 12hrs
2016-12-06T08:11:27 < ReadErr> it was nice
2016-12-06T08:11:43 < ohsix> hrm i slept late last night but still only 9h
2016-12-06T08:12:02 < ReadErr> i go hard
2016-12-06T08:12:15 < ohsix> i used to
2016-12-06T08:12:30 < ohsix> but i take diphenhydramine and i only managed to stay up until 4am
2016-12-06T08:13:32 < ReadErr> u take it to sleep?
2016-12-06T08:13:34 < ohsix> huhuhu dave had a harbor freight battery charger mailed to him
2016-12-06T08:13:36 < ohsix> ya
2016-12-06T08:13:44 < ohsix> i could just turn computers off and shit, but nah
2016-12-06T08:14:07 < ohsix> #1 reason i want to move out of here: computers and garbage not in bedroom
2016-12-06T08:14:18 < englishman> cool now i get to play the guess-the-autism game
2016-12-06T08:30:15 < ohsix> guh 10pm snuck up on me
2016-12-06T08:34:07 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-06T08:34:20 < ohsix> bunch of turds say you can restore foggy headlights with clearcoat and junk
2016-12-06T08:34:27 < ohsix> need to pick one out of the garbage to try random shit on
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2016-12-06T08:48:01 < ohsix> dang dave cut off audio and shit multiple times in editing the mail video
2016-12-06T08:48:04 < ohsix> real bad yo
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2016-12-06T09:10:09 < Kliment> Hmm, what would be the best approach for clocking out something like 10000 bits at equal intervals at 6MHz on an F4? SPI?
2016-12-06T09:11:48 < ohsix> equal intervals?
2016-12-06T09:12:06 < ohsix> deterministic time between the blocks of 10k bits?
2016-12-06T09:12:16 < Kliment> Not between blocks, between bits
2016-12-06T09:13:58 < Kliment> So the bit clock must be fixed with no pauses
2016-12-06T09:14:14 < Kliment> Well, I'd really rather have a peripheral do it
2016-12-06T09:14:34 < Kliment> Because the CPU needs to do other stuff at the same time
2016-12-06T09:15:08 < ohsix> just have a timer toggle a pin
2016-12-06T09:15:23 < Kliment> ohsix: It's not a toggle though, it's a changing bit pattern
2016-12-06T09:15:55 < ohsix> you'll probably have to figure out 'no pauses', setting up dma can take some time
2016-12-06T09:16:14 < ohsix> whats it for
2016-12-06T09:16:56 < Kliment> I can't talk too much about it but basically there's a spinning part and I need to send out triggers at specific angles
2016-12-06T09:18:04 < Kliment> It's part of an industrial process controller
2016-12-06T09:20:18 < ohsix> eh
2016-12-06T09:20:29 < ohsix> you'd usually do that by keeping the phase locked with an encoder
2016-12-06T09:20:34 < Kliment> The spin speed is constant and the angles of interest have a granularity such that if two are adjacent the triggers need to be 1/3µs apart
2016-12-06T09:20:59 < Kliment> And yes, I'm trimming the source clock from an encoder
2016-12-06T09:21:10 < ohsix> withotu phase lock or at least one pulse per rotation it'll all go to shit real quick
2016-12-06T09:23:10 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I want to clock data out, the encoder just tells me how to adjust the bit clock so it matches rotation speed, but I only get 8 encoder pulses per rotation, while I have several tens of thousands pulses going out per rotation
2016-12-06T09:23:37 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: So I use encoder data to phase match/trim the clock
2016-12-06T09:23:57 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And that clock then feeds the SPI periph
2016-12-06T09:25:18 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I will probably have to, yeah
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2016-12-06T09:26:00 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: That or use an external PLL with clock trimming
2016-12-06T09:26:16 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: That picture is extremely helpful btw, thank you
2016-12-06T09:27:15 < Kliment> yeah, trying to avoid FPGA, but that's what we're going to go for if we can't solve it otherwise
2016-12-06T09:27:49 < Kliment> Sure, but all the other stuff we need to do is not
2016-12-06T09:28:36 < Kliment> Maybe
2016-12-06T09:28:57 < Kliment> I still hope the SPI or I2S periph can do it
2016-12-06T09:29:11 < Kliment> Because <3 dedicated hardware
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2016-12-06T09:29:33 < Kliment> I mean, I2S is designed to clock out lots and lots of data at a consistent speed
2016-12-06T09:30:01 < Kliment> Yes, but I mean dedicated hardware I don't have to debug and maintain
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2016-12-06T09:34:35 < ohsix> http://nintendoagemedia.com/users/2605/photobucket/5FE8F924-EC69-1F52-7C58828D0CB278DF.jpg
2016-12-06T09:35:34 < ohsix> Kliment: what else is the controller doing? you can just spin on the pin and do timing with instructions
2016-12-06T09:35:54 < ohsix> your requirements don't sound hard
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2016-12-06T09:38:09 < Kliment> ohsix: Quite a lot, and I can't talk about it
2016-12-06T09:38:42 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Nah, just NDA
2016-12-06T09:39:11 < Kliment> ohsix: I might end up doing it in software, but with a dedicated mcu for just this function
2016-12-06T09:39:58 < Kliment> the i2s periph might actually be a good deal for this
2016-12-06T09:40:29 < ReadErr> anyone come across a good document server system?
2016-12-06T09:40:37 < ReadErr> that indexes a bunch of pdfs and such
2016-12-06T09:40:48 < ReadErr> and can do searches 
2016-12-06T09:40:54 < Kliment> ReadErr: Some of my friends use zotero for that and love it
2016-12-06T09:41:11 < Kliment> ReadErr: I'm not that into it but see if you like it
2016-12-06T09:41:57 < ReadErr> looks like something they host 
2016-12-06T09:42:05 < Kliment> So the i2s can do continuous 16 bit transfers from DMA
2016-12-06T09:42:22 < Kliment> And has a live-adjustable clock prescaler
2016-12-06T09:42:32 < Kliment> And dedicated PLL
2016-12-06T09:42:39 < Kliment> I think this is the way to go
2016-12-06T09:43:18 < Kliment> It is :)
2016-12-06T09:43:36 < Kliment> It's an 8 bit linear prescaler
2016-12-06T09:46:01 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I strongly recommend reading the crazy shit people have done with the esp8826 i2s periph for inspiration
2016-12-06T09:48:48 < Kliment> Yeah but looks like the i2s periph is ideal
2016-12-06T09:51:32 < Kliment> 192kHz sample rate with 32 bit samples gives me around 6MHz clock
2016-12-06T09:51:41 < Kliment> And I can adjust it with pretty good precision
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2016-12-06T09:55:14 < Kliment> and it can be fed by DMA
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2016-12-06T10:19:46 < ohsix> ReadErr: dirk gently is kind of lul at ep7, shame it's such a slog to get there
2016-12-06T10:20:10 < ohsix> ReadErr: xapian?
2016-12-06T10:20:13 < ohsix> not done shit online
2016-12-06T10:20:20 < ReadErr> I want to host it local
2016-12-06T10:20:38 < ReadErr> on a server, not local local to each machine
2016-12-06T10:20:46 < ohsix> your os probably already does shit
2016-12-06T10:20:58 < ReadErr> not very fast or well
2016-12-06T10:21:20 < ReadErr> and you have to have a copy on each machine etc 
2016-12-06T10:21:22 < ohsix> said every person ever
2016-12-06T10:21:34 < ReadErr> idk windows file searching shit blows
2016-12-06T10:21:38 < ReadErr> OSX is pretty solid
2016-12-06T10:22:01 < ohsix> ya i left it on on windows 7 to see if it worked and i basically don't think it did
2016-12-06T10:22:10 < ohsix> or only works for shit in your My Documents folder
2016-12-06T10:22:18 < ohsix> something dumb like that
2016-12-06T10:22:30 < ohsix> and for all the cpu/disk time it spends on creating an index, search is slow as balls
2016-12-06T10:22:50 < ReadErr> but figured there was some good opensores solution 
2016-12-06T10:22:57 < ReadErr> that let you organize
2016-12-06T10:23:01 < ReadErr> add notes and whatnot
2016-12-06T10:23:54 < ohsix> there are but i don't know of any frontends to the stuff for the web
2016-12-06T10:25:05 < ReadErr> how good is the searching/indexing?
2016-12-06T10:25:18 < ReadErr> I found the problem with amazon searches
2016-12-06T10:25:24 < ohsix> i have no idea
2016-12-06T10:25:32 < ohsix> it does soundex and stemming and regular boring stuff
2016-12-06T10:25:46 < ReadErr> it wont include results if the word has characters infront of it in other results
2016-12-06T10:26:02 < ohsix> you should probably find out the storage thing first
2016-12-06T10:26:03 < ReadErr> like if you type in 'dong' and the item is 'longdong'
2016-12-06T10:26:06 < ReadErr> it wont hit
2016-12-06T10:26:15 < ohsix> like if you're using owncloud or something, find a thing that will work with that
2016-12-06T10:26:21 < ReadErr> but it will hit for 'dongs'
2016-12-06T10:27:07 < ReadErr> storage is easy
2016-12-06T10:27:11 < ReadErr> i dont like owncloud tho
2016-12-06T10:27:31 < ReadErr> syncthing 
2016-12-06T10:27:38 < ohsix> storage isn't easy lul
2016-12-06T10:27:52 < ohsix> anything on the web will probably need horizontal integration to do the indexing
2016-12-06T10:28:07 < ohsix> there won't be a data source type facility where you can plug in anything more than simple http or file paths
2016-12-06T10:28:41 < ReadErr> hmm what are you talking about now?
2016-12-06T10:29:00 < ohsix> .
2016-12-06T10:29:09 < ohsix> the search engine will need to be able to find the files it is going to index
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2016-12-06T10:29:38 < ReadErr> ohhh nah I just mentioned that as something unrelated 
2016-12-06T10:30:02 < ReadErr> not trying to do anything with amazon services for the pdf stuff
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2016-12-06T10:56:52 < fest> yet another zano nonsense: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/drofie-selfie-drone-that-does-everything-photography#/
2016-12-06T10:57:13 < stvn> LOL
2016-12-06T10:58:26 < ReadErr> ahem ABLomas 
2016-12-06T10:59:31 < stvn> WHO
2016-12-06T10:59:41 < ohsix> hurr ford wankers, calling a motor mount a 'support insulator'
2016-12-06T11:00:24 < stvn> I have been always passionate about drones, many drones in the market are either big or expensive or just simply doesn't have all features all i want in one, so we decided to build Drofie, a compact pocket-size drone that have all the features you ever wanted, Autonomous, Auto-follow, obstacle avoidance, many colors, folding, it have simply everything!, support us today and get your Drofie in your favorite color in a very special price.
2016-12-06T11:00:26 < ohsix> he's in lithiuana not latvia
2016-12-06T11:00:26 < stvn> rofl
2016-12-06T11:00:47 < stvn> so passionate you don't have a working proto
2016-12-06T11:01:05 < stvn> that's a clever nigger
2016-12-06T11:01:15 < ohsix> lul i love how they put a flash on the things
2016-12-06T11:01:44 < ohsix> 140gm is a lot for those motors
2016-12-06T11:02:19 < stvn> engiNIGGER
2016-12-06T11:02:38 < ohsix> https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1477480776/esuomkmvevgnalzq2um8.png
2016-12-06T11:02:45 < ohsix> they've got a cx10 box at their 'accelerator'
2016-12-06T11:03:06 < fest> ohsix: he's in Latvia and I have seen him around
2016-12-06T11:04:04 < ohsix> guh chilton web junk just died
2016-12-06T11:04:11 < ohsix> guess i could sleep
2016-12-06T11:06:24 < ohsix> damn rockauto is nice
2016-12-06T11:06:46 < ohsix> can order all the shit i need for a thing and the shipping is cheap when you have a few thingies
2016-12-06T11:07:23 < ohsix> now that i know motor mounts can cause certain types of vibration, i'm inspecting them on all the cars lul
2016-12-06T11:07:40 < ohsix> they're easy to replace on fords
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2016-12-06T11:12:22 < ohsix> wtf
2016-12-06T11:12:34 < ohsix> facebook account sign up ads in mx player
2016-12-06T11:14:37 < stvn> emdrive
2016-12-06T11:14:40 < fest> LeelooMinai: as someone with failed drone project under my belt I can smell failure at a distance :)
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2016-12-06T11:17:53 < upgrdman> dongs, you awake?
2016-12-06T11:18:46 < ohsix> idle 6 hours
2016-12-06T11:18:55 < ohsix> he sleeps 11
2016-12-06T11:20:18 < Kliment> fest: If you can smell failure at a distance maybe you should package it as a fragrance and do a kickstarter to sell it
2016-12-06T11:20:29 < fest> LeelooMinai: team I was on spent an order of magnitude more money than their goal and all we got after a year of work was few barely flying prototypes
2016-12-06T11:21:19 < ohsix> it's less of a scam than zano
2016-12-06T11:21:24 < ohsix> but that's not hard
2016-12-06T11:21:56 < ohsix> they at least have a housing that could plausibly hold the shit and a stated weight that isn't impossible
2016-12-06T11:22:03 < Kliment> fest: Like that dude that sold perfumes for machos
2016-12-06T11:22:11 < ohsix> all those parts though luuul, you don't have to even crash to break those motor mounts
2016-12-06T11:22:24 < fest> Kliment: that would be very specifc fragrance, only applicable to types of projects I have first hand experience with :)
2016-12-06T11:23:47 < fest> Kliment: btw are you still working on printrun?
2016-12-06T11:24:01 < fest> or diy 3d printing in general?
2016-12-06T11:24:35 < Kliment> fest: more as a user than as a dev these days
2016-12-06T11:26:38 < Kliment> camera drones always seemed like a bad idea to me - weak battery life and lots of noise and vibration
2016-12-06T11:28:09 < Kliment> Does anyone make camera blimps
2016-12-06T11:28:13 < ohsix> people want them tho
2016-12-06T11:28:32 < ohsix> people that might not have 800+ for one, hhuhu
2016-12-06T11:28:42 < Kliment> Camera rockets are actually a thing
2016-12-06T11:29:03 < Kliment> You send a rocket up, then parachute the payload down, recording all the way
2016-12-06T11:29:17 < Kliment> Gives you really nice images
2016-12-06T11:29:22 < Kliment> yep
2016-12-06T11:30:01 < sync> the russians already have that
2016-12-06T11:30:03 < sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYnBmxjfld4
2016-12-06T11:30:13 < stvn> ty
2016-12-06T11:30:30 < sync> 2:20 and following
2016-12-06T11:30:32 < ohsix> those are some pro state tunez
2016-12-06T11:30:44 < ohsix> gets my dick hard for mother russia
2016-12-06T11:31:09 < Kliment> smerch means hurricane or something?
2016-12-06T11:31:19 < fest> LeelooMinai: yep, it's actually hurricane
2016-12-06T11:31:46 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc
2016-12-06T11:31:46 < fest> death would be something like smertj
2016-12-06T11:32:00 < Kliment> fest: yeah, that sounds about right
2016-12-06T11:32:23 < Kliment> My russian is rudimentary, I can just about read literature in it, very very slowly
2016-12-06T11:32:26 < sync> Смерч
2016-12-06T11:32:27 < Kliment> But I do know that word
2016-12-06T11:32:42 < ohsix> lul wtf
2016-12-06T11:32:52 < ohsix> youtube seems to be newly offering live feeds as suggestions
2016-12-06T11:33:05 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPv9yKC76hE there's a kitten camera, this is the 90s all over again
2016-12-06T11:34:24 < Kliment> There are many kitten and puppy cameras all over youtube
2016-12-06T11:34:30 < Kliment> This has been the case for years
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2016-12-06T11:38:31 < ohsix> why didn't you tell me earlier
2016-12-06T11:39:00 < ohsix> have yous een that webcam of like, an intersection in nebraska?
2016-12-06T11:39:21 < ohsix> but eh, i was around for the first wave of media/news reports about web cameras and cameras on the web in general huhu
2016-12-06T11:39:38 < Kliment> ohsix: There's been a bunch of those for years too, weather cams, traffic cams, public place cams
2016-12-06T11:39:54 < Kliment> ohsix: remember ww.com?
2016-12-06T11:40:30 < Kliment> ohsix: It's still around, I know the guy who built it
2016-12-06T11:41:22 < Kliment> ohsix: I think that was the first webcam streaming site
2016-12-06T11:42:08 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psfFJR3vZ78
2016-12-06T11:42:37 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Room_coffee_pot
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2016-12-06T11:43:52 < ohsix> cuseeme D:
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2016-12-06T11:51:57 < ohsix> hey ReadErr 
2016-12-06T11:52:04 < ohsix> i got an idea
2016-12-06T11:52:22 < ohsix> library genesis, get that (or at least part of it) and use that to test text indexing
2016-12-06T11:52:29 < ohsix> since you can get the whole thing as torrents
2016-12-06T11:52:40 < ohsix> i wanna do that when i get a hd for it ;D
2016-12-06T11:53:37 < jef79m> https://www.insecam.org/en/byrating/
2016-12-06T11:53:53 < ohsix> shodan lets you search for a bunch too
2016-12-06T12:02:55 < ohsix> ReadErr: they have the torrentz on the metadata listings now, http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=B765545103C79CB25CD8194CE3F15A62 'torrents per 1000 books'
2016-12-06T12:02:58 < ohsix> can get a sample ez
2016-12-06T12:03:20 < ohsix> hm 25gb huhu
2016-12-06T12:03:26 < ohsix> that might be per 10000
2016-12-06T12:04:00 < ReadErr> is the libgen backend code open?
2016-12-06T12:04:24 < ohsix> ther'es something, don't remember if that was part of it
2016-12-06T12:04:29 < ohsix> there's not really backend
2016-12-06T12:04:45 < ohsix> it's almost like how imdb distributes the data, by ftp olol
2016-12-06T12:05:16 < ohsix> yea it says 'source'
2016-12-06T12:05:28 < ohsix> http://libgen.io/code/
2016-12-06T12:05:54 < ohsix> they don't index anything tho, would just be for a laugh or a mirror or something
2016-12-06T12:06:44 < ohsix> hmmmmm heh
2016-12-06T12:06:56 < ohsix> i wonder how big a drive you do need for the whole collection
2016-12-06T12:07:09 < ohsix> making a pod with an rpi& the drive and just leaving it open somewhere would be interesting
2016-12-06T12:07:27 < stvn> WHRES ME BOOKS OHSIX
2016-12-06T12:09:37 < ohsix> ReadErr: there's more than one thing that lets you access a .torrent as a filesystem, that caches chunks on access or something
2016-12-06T12:09:45 < ohsix> could point web interface at that
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2016-12-06T12:12:14 < ReadErr> menu_en.html:						<a href="http://dc-poisk.no-ip.org/yndex.html">DC++ Fulltext Search (Yandex)</a>
2016-12-06T12:12:14 < ReadErr> menu_en.html:						<a href="http://dc-poisk.no-ip.org/">P2P Fulltext Search (Sphinx, magnet-links)</a>
2016-12-06T12:12:32 < sync> dc++ is best ++
2016-12-06T12:12:44 < ReadErr> wonder what that site was
2016-12-06T12:12:45 < ReadErr> its down now 
2016-12-06T12:12:56 < ohsix> web.archive.org
2016-12-06T12:13:00 < ohsix> wonder no longer
2016-12-06T12:13:12 < ohsix> google will have text only cache too, site:whatever
2016-12-06T12:14:00 < stvn> How do I use C ohsix 
2016-12-06T12:14:28 < ohsix> insult your mother
2016-12-06T12:14:34 < stvn> :o
2016-12-06T12:15:30 < ReadErr> http://web.archive.org/web/20150418114226/http://dc-poisk.no-ip.org/
2016-12-06T12:16:16 < ReadErr> it may just be title searching
2016-12-06T12:16:20 < ReadErr> translated from russian 
2016-12-06T12:17:51 < ReadErr> owait
2016-12-06T12:17:52 < ReadErr> http://web.archive.org/web/20150427182153/http://dc-poisk.no-ip.org/yndex.html
2016-12-06T12:18:24 < ReadErr> For this purpose, the first 10 and the last five pages of books and magazines forcibly subjected procedure OCR (optical character recognition) text layer even if they exist (Collection 2 )
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2016-12-06T12:21:50 < karlp> Kliment: sounds like you want the ws2812 dma->pwm code for your clocking problem.
2016-12-06T12:22:28 < ohsix> just add extra sensed positions ;]
2016-12-06T12:25:44 < Kliment> karlp: I don't actually want PWM
2016-12-06T12:25:52 < Kliment> karlp: Just pulse timing
2016-12-06T12:26:05 < Kliment> karlp: So i2s or spi is perfect
2016-12-06T12:26:05 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-06T12:26:41 < ohsix> like a crank position sensor on a car
2016-12-06T12:26:48 < ohsix> uno wat's neat about the one on my car
2016-12-06T12:27:09 < ohsix> it has teeth and a reluctance pickup, one section is missing like 4 teeth, it ends up being a wide sync pulse
2016-12-06T12:27:35 < sync> that is like how all of them do it
2016-12-06T12:27:47 < ohsix> once it hasn't been asserted for a while it can basically spin until it starts again
2016-12-06T12:27:53 < ohsix> sync: nuhuh!!!1
2016-12-06T12:28:24 < ohsix> maybe, i dunno; i thoguht it was neat, i hadn't seen missing teeth on other cars, but i also haven't really looked
2016-12-06T12:29:10 < ohsix> makes sense tho, or you'd need another sensor to correlate TDC
2016-12-06T12:29:28 < ohsix> trying to be clever sux
2016-12-06T12:30:05 < ohsix> oh
2016-12-06T12:30:16 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-06T12:30:29 < ohsix> an old subaru i was dicking with had it in the distributor
2016-12-06T12:30:40 < ohsix> it was a ir code wheel like in old mechanical mice
2016-12-06T12:30:51 < ohsix> index was a different part
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2016-12-06T12:35:20 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3OjjPZDRBk
2016-12-06T12:37:47 < ohsix> Thorn: do you make these videos or wat
2016-12-06T12:38:13 < Thorn> no I don't
2016-12-06T12:38:14 < ohsix> there's a dude i follow on twitter that's a furry and retweets a lot of junk
2016-12-06T12:38:39 < ohsix> junk rarely means bad when i say it, i should stop using it like that huhu
2016-12-06T12:38:44 < ohsix> anyways he'd be into that stuff
2016-12-06T12:39:15 < ohsix> i need to put a mic pickup on the frame of my big desk, i'm leaning against it and i can hear things going on in the rest of the house through my skull
2016-12-06T12:43:08 < ohsix> hm balls i wanted to put a pickup on my bike for some shit, didn't think of using the teeth on the sprockets with an inductive pickup
2016-12-06T12:43:15 < ohsix> that will stay clear of the chain and shiz too
2016-12-06T12:43:59 < Kliment> ohsix: Why not magnetic on spokes?
2016-12-06T12:44:03 < ohsix> oooooh and i can infer what the gears are in the front and back!!11 which is something i wanted to do but couldn't think of a non-lame way to do it (like measuring the displacement of the control cables)
2016-12-06T12:44:12 < ohsix> i have a computer that does magnet on spokes
2016-12-06T12:44:23 < Kliment> ohsix: So tap that signal?
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2016-12-06T12:44:46 < ohsix> getting a regular reed pickup & magnet was always an option
2016-12-06T12:45:13 < ohsix> get lots of pulses per turn from the teeth tho
2016-12-06T12:45:16 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-06T12:45:25 < Kliment> True, where will you mount the sensor?
2016-12-06T12:45:51 < ohsix> not sure, but something like that could be on a tiny arm between the chainlines
2016-12-06T12:46:03 < ohsix> there's already a chainstay and riser tube
2016-12-06T12:46:05 < Kliment> Oh hey, esden is doing a kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/esden/1bitsy-and-black-magic-probe-demystifying-arm-prog?ref=user_menu#
2016-12-06T12:46:38 < ohsix> http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/beginners-corner/826897d1377539758-chain-stay-protector-what-too-use-chainstay-wrap.jpg can easily put both on right side chainstay
2016-12-06T12:47:39 < ohsix> i can infer all sorts of fun stuff knowing the ratio between the crank and the cassette
2016-12-06T12:48:05 < Kliment> ohsix: Yeah, and if you put a second reed on the non-driven wheel you can measure slip when braking too
2016-12-06T12:49:01 < Kliment> And grip when accelerating
2016-12-06T12:49:16 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-06T12:49:43 < Kliment> Is that your bike?
2016-12-06T12:50:48 < ohsix> nope
2016-12-06T12:51:14 < ohsix> i was going to say it wasn't mine, huhu; i figured it wouldn't matter
2016-12-06T12:51:31 < ohsix> just random illustrating image for what/where the chainstay is
2016-12-06T12:52:42 < Ecco> I'm asking Altium do build an IPC-compliant footprint for a QFN package
2016-12-06T12:53:01 < Ecco> and for some reason it gives me rounded pads
2016-12-06T12:55:37 < Ecco> is that normal?
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2016-12-06T13:43:30 < Thorn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cy78eCWXAAAPghr.jpg:large
2016-12-06T13:50:25 < BrainDamage> >will never happen
2016-12-06T13:50:37 < Kliment> This is cute http://shop.emscdn.com/catalog/kits/fliptronics/flippins/assy/imglrg/3.jpg
2016-12-06T13:54:54 < Thorn> soviet th resistors had numeric values printed on them btw
2016-12-06T13:59:10 < stvn> its phantom of the opera
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2016-12-06T14:03:13 < karlp> Kliment: yes, it's not actually pwm for the ws2812 leds either, it's using the pwm modes of the timer to output bitstreams.
2016-12-06T14:03:27 < karlp> i2s would probably work too, also used for ws2812 leds :)
2016-12-06T14:03:52 < stvn> fucken china
2016-12-06T14:04:54 < Kliment> karlp: Oh I see. You got a link to it?
2016-12-06T14:06:12 < karlp> Kliment: not off hand, I'm using esp8266 for it, but dongs and [7] (at least) all have ws2812 dma->pwm led driving stuff for stm32
2016-12-06T14:06:57 < karlp> but if you search for stm32 dma pwm ws2812 yuou can find a bunch of it on googgg
2016-12-06T14:08:31 < Kliment> thanks I'll look
2016-12-06T14:08:58 < Kliment> But atm i2s appears to be the better option
2016-12-06T14:09:20 < karlp> sure, just a suggestion
2016-12-06T14:09:30 < Kliment> I appreciate it
2016-12-06T14:11:16 < Thorn> what i2s bitrate are you using?
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2016-12-06T14:15:55 < Kliment> Thorn: For my application? approx 6MHz bit clock
2016-12-06T14:16:09 < Kliment> Thorn: but I'm not driving ws2812s
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2016-12-06T14:17:50 < Thorn> okic
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2016-12-06T14:48:53 < Thorn> does anyone have a datasheet for ICN2026DP? supposed to be a Chinese replacement for MBI502{4,6}GP, used in China LED panels
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2016-12-06T15:05:34 < jadew> regarding the discussion from 10 hours ago, since C++14 you have ' as a digits separator
2016-12-06T15:06:31 < stvn> :o
2016-12-06T15:07:03 < jadew> "_suffix" is suggested for user defined literals, but the _ is suggested only because all the suffix without it are reserved by the langauge
2016-12-06T15:07:58 < jadew> so a user defined suffix of x (as in 1000x) would be valid, but may enter in conflict with the ones the language defines
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2016-12-06T15:08:18 < jadew> 10'000_million - valid c++ :)
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2016-12-06T15:25:50 < karlp> jadew: already in use in arduino land: https://github.com/esp8266/Arduino/blob/master/cores/esp8266/Esp.cpp#L45-L79
2016-12-06T15:26:47 < jadew> they got MB and GB wrong
2016-12-06T15:27:26 < karlp> how so?
2016-12-06T15:27:38 < jadew> they're historical notations, so they're * 1000
2016-12-06T15:27:55 < karlp> depends who you talk to.
2016-12-06T15:28:07 < karlp> are you one of those people who uses GiB and talks about gibbybytes?
2016-12-06T15:28:27 < karlp> also, perfect example of why literal suffixes like that are hiding things, not making things simpler ;)
2016-12-06T15:28:29 < jadew> I don't, but but that's the correct notation
2016-12-06T15:28:33 < jadew> however, when I use MB
2016-12-06T15:28:36 < jadew> I mean million
2016-12-06T15:28:58 < jadew> unless it's casual convo, then it doesn't matter
2016-12-06T15:29:07 < jadew> but that's code
2016-12-06T15:29:55 < karlp> if you find anyone other than a hard drive maker who things a KB is 1000 bytes I think you're going to have found yourself a nice little party of 2
2016-12-06T15:30:26 < jadew> it's a bad convention, that's all
2016-12-06T15:30:32 < jadew> and there's a proper one in place too
2016-12-06T15:30:46 < jadew> Killo has always meant *1000
2016-12-06T15:30:59 < jadew> it's silly to start treating it differently based on what it's about
2016-12-06T15:31:37 < jadew> and staying true to the wrong way of interpreting it will only make the transition harder in the future
2016-12-06T15:31:50 < karlp> indeed. I agree with you there
2016-12-06T15:32:44 < karlp> but currently it really is only harddrives who use 1000.  and yes, "k" was the wrong choice
2016-12-06T15:32:51 < karlp> kibby and gibby and shit is just so obtuse 
2016-12-06T15:33:28 < jadew> it sounds weird for sure, but it takes away any ambiguity
2016-12-06T15:33:48 < BrainDamage> network links also use bits and si prefixes
2016-12-06T15:38:13 < karlp> oh yeah, it's so much fun with some peopel mixing up b and B there :)
2016-12-06T15:38:52 < stvn> :o
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2016-12-06T16:03:00 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/8QCgF8U.jpg
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2016-12-06T16:31:09 < dongs> hi dongs
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2016-12-06T16:44:25 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCadcBR95oU music times
2016-12-06T16:59:16 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZG-s3PrDl4
2016-12-06T17:00:45 < jadew> kakimir, I discovered some old music too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC9G_Lb88E8
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2016-12-06T17:21:04 < karlp> hrm, scope shows 2Mhz on two boards, LA shows 2Mhz on two boards, multimeter shows 2Mhz on one board, noise on the other
2016-12-06T17:21:20 < karlp> turns otu the specs fro the meter are only up to 300kHz.
2016-12-06T17:21:28 < karlp> that doesn't seem real useful :)
2016-12-06T17:21:44 < karlp> not sure how it's measuring 2Mhz for one of them then
2016-12-06T17:22:42 < jadew> I think mine does only 300 kHz too
2016-12-06T17:23:07 < karlp> so what, you have to buy a standalone freq meter for anythign higher?
2016-12-06T17:23:30 < jadew> mine is 200 kHz
2016-12-06T17:23:45 < karlp> I guess i just have to fiddle further to use a timer to output a bigger divider than MCO can do.
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2016-12-06T17:41:07 < karlp> so, do I _add_ load cap to slow down the crystal I guess?
2016-12-06T17:41:15 < karlp> take it off to push it higher?
2016-12-06T17:41:40 < dongs> what are you failing with?
2016-12-06T17:41:52 < dongs> sounds like lelooman-class tickless rtos discussion
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2016-12-06T17:47:04 < karlp> yahmon :)
2016-12-06T17:47:30 < karlp> never had to give a shit about clock accuracy before, but working on a project involving syncing N boards.
2016-12-06T17:47:57 < dongs> yeah?
2016-12-06T17:48:00 < dongs> whats it not doing tho?
2016-12-06T17:48:01 < jadew> karlp, if you need that much accuracy, why don't you use the same clock for all of them?
2016-12-06T17:48:04 < dongs> is it STM?
2016-12-06T17:48:07 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-06T17:48:10 < karlp> so kinda want the 12MHz+-10ppm crystals to be in sync with each other
2016-12-06T17:48:18 < dongs> just make one clcok (like mco from one) or something and feed it into all others
2016-12-06T17:48:18 < karlp> hohoho, this is on a rs485 network.
2016-12-06T17:48:34 < dongs> RS48AIDS
2016-12-06T17:48:43 < jadew> karlp, if slightly changing the frequency because of the cap is enough to get the in sync, then thermal stability will ruin it
2016-12-06T17:48:48 < Laurenceb> could use RTC
2016-12-06T17:48:50 < karlp> I've got my sync protocll working, but the're still far enough apart that they drift too quickly apart.
2016-12-06T17:48:59 < Laurenceb> then there is +-1ppm offset tweak register
2016-12-06T17:49:05 < karlp> jadew: well, if they were actually the same board (which they will be) then the caps would be "the same"
2016-12-06T17:49:13 < Laurenceb> and you could track the offset and "tune" it
2016-12-06T17:49:15 < karlp> but it's a bodged up l1 disco and a bodged up nucleo
2016-12-06T17:49:26 < jadew> karlp, no, I mean the crystals will change frequency enough by themselves
2016-12-06T17:49:40 < jadew> you really need a single clock or a more expensive oscillator
2016-12-06T17:49:40 < karlp> yes, but that's speced as 10ppm as well.
2016-12-06T17:50:04 < Laurenceb> RTC and RTC alarm interrupt
2016-12-06T17:50:06 < Laurenceb> simples
2016-12-06T17:50:15 < englishman> dongs: /ignore on irccloud doesnt just remove future chats, but past chats
2016-12-06T17:50:17 < englishman> great feature
2016-12-06T17:50:21 < dongs> haha
2016-12-06T17:50:30 < dongs> who made the list?
2016-12-06T17:50:34 < Laurenceb>  /ignore flyback
2016-12-06T17:50:48 < dongs> flyback is harmless
2016-12-06T17:51:13 < karlp> jadew: devices will all be at ~same temp anyway.
2016-12-06T17:51:46 < karlp> Laurenceb: rtc needs LSE, to _then_ try and slave hse too,
2016-12-06T17:52:11 < Laurenceb> karlp: how precise do you need it to be?
2016-12-06T17:52:29 < jadew> they have to be in 10 ppm of eachother - right?
2016-12-06T17:52:37 < karlp> anywya, I was just seeing bigger than expected clock separation for 10ppm crystals, I _presume_ it's because teh load caps required for the two boards aren't the same, pluse my shoddy soldering of 0805 caps on 0603 footprints
2016-12-06T17:52:54 < karlp> jadew: ish, yeah, 10ppm gives me ~100usec max drift over 5 seconds.
2016-12-06T17:52:55 < Laurenceb> can't you just let HSE run at whatever speed
2016-12-06T17:53:07 < Laurenceb> then trigger interrupts at precise times using LSE?
2016-12-06T17:53:50 < jadew> karlp, I still don't understand why you don't want to use the same clock
2016-12-06T17:53:58 < jadew> especially if they're going to end up on the same board
2016-12-06T17:54:03 < Laurenceb> jadew: no clk cable
2016-12-06T17:54:07 < karlp> jadew: not the same device.
2016-12-06T17:54:09 < Laurenceb> oh
2016-12-06T17:54:12 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-12-06T17:54:12 < karlp> multiple copies of same device.
2016-12-06T17:54:16 < karlp> on rs485
2016-12-06T17:54:39 < karlp> so, more load cap to bring down HSE or less?
2016-12-06T17:54:52 < jadew> wait, you need this for some serial protocol?
2016-12-06T17:55:02 < karlp> jadew: no, sensor fusion
2016-12-06T17:55:05 < jadew> ah
2016-12-06T17:56:08 < Laurenceb> how aligned do you need the samples?
2016-12-06T17:56:16 < Laurenceb> like +- how much jitter?
2016-12-06T17:57:09 < karlp> Laurenceb: that's what the syncing I'm doing is for, want to keep it under ~100usec for the system, and I've alrady got that, but I've got to sync more often than desirable.  if I can get down to 10-25usec that would be great.  
2016-12-06T17:57:20 < englishman> dongs: who do you think.
2016-12-06T17:57:22 < karlp> give more headroom for the other end to _use_ the timing I'm providing 
2016-12-06T17:57:32 < Laurenceb> well thats 1 second at 10ppm
2016-12-06T17:57:38 < Laurenceb> sounds trivially easy
2016-12-06T17:57:48 < karlp> yeah I know.
2016-12-06T17:57:52 < Laurenceb> using RTC
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2016-12-06T17:58:03 < karlp> but I'm not seeing 10ppm right now, bcause.... I presume my load caps on on board are wrong.
2016-12-06T17:58:04 < Laurenceb> then you have max 0.5ppm error after calibrating
2016-12-06T17:58:13 < karlp> so.... more load cap or less?
2016-12-06T17:58:22 < Laurenceb> well is it too fast or too slow?
2016-12-06T17:58:43 < karlp> which is why I asked, which does which :)
2016-12-06T17:58:44 < Laurenceb> run a control loop (prob PI) to trim the RTC using the offset register
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2016-12-06T17:58:53 < Laurenceb> less cap -> faster
2016-12-06T17:59:11 < dongs> err isnt ppm a measure of x over time
2016-12-06T17:59:12 < Laurenceb> so you can trim the RTC using a sync packet every ten seconds or less
2016-12-06T17:59:27 < dongs> if the caps are wrong, it will just be accurately wrong
2016-12-06T17:59:33 < dongs> the caps won't have effect on ppm.
2016-12-06T17:59:42 < karlp> (I don't have a LSE anyway, but yes, using the RTC did seem like it might be useful but that's probably overkill
2016-12-06T17:59:44 < Laurenceb> probably have some request for sync from boards that are just turned on
2016-12-06T17:59:46 < karlp> dongs, absoltuely, 
2016-12-06T17:59:55 < karlp> and I see that, they're accurately different.
2016-12-06T17:59:57 < jadew> dongs, he wants the oscillators to be the same
2016-12-06T17:59:59 < Laurenceb> for dataloggers I use BBRAM to store offset
2016-12-06T18:00:05 < jadew> I don't think he cares about the absolute frequency
2016-12-06T18:00:10 < karlp> nope, not really.
2016-12-06T18:00:18 < Laurenceb> each time it connects to a PC the RTC is recalibrated
2016-12-06T18:00:33 < karlp> and eyah, it won't matter when they're on proper matching boards.
2016-12-06T18:00:47  * karlp is going to add some caps to one of them. go all zyp style stacking up a column of pf caps
2016-12-06T18:00:56 < Laurenceb> with sync packets you could do this more neatly
2016-12-06T18:01:07 < Laurenceb> but I'm already getting <1ppm error with my setup
2016-12-06T18:01:20 < karlp> Laurenceb: whicih rtc peripheral?
2016-12-06T18:01:22 < jadew> karlp, you can just solder two wires and start twisting them, until you get the desired frequency :D
2016-12-06T18:01:28 < Laurenceb> karlp: on F103
2016-12-06T18:01:40 < Laurenceb> iirc newer RTC still has a trim register
2016-12-06T18:02:04 < karlp> Laurenceb: I'm still not 100% sure I follow, you're using RTC trim to generate an irq to resync your timer based on HSE?
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2016-12-06T18:02:22 < Laurenceb> karlp: yes
2016-12-06T18:02:48 < Laurenceb> well you use the alarm irq
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2016-12-06T18:02:57 < karlp> how fine a resolution can you get on rtc anyway? you're relying on the alarm irq->irq response->sw being constant?
2016-12-06T18:03:10 < Laurenceb> then inside the irq handler you grab value of a timer
2016-12-06T18:03:36 < Laurenceb> if the irq handling has the right priority it should run right away
2016-12-06T18:03:45 < Laurenceb> so its runtime just has 10ppm error
2016-12-06T18:03:51 < Laurenceb> so tiny overall error
2016-12-06T18:03:58 < karlp> I'm just resetting a 32bit timer on the sync pulse
2016-12-06T18:04:22 < Laurenceb> you could reset it at up to 1hz with an alarm interrupt
2016-12-06T18:04:35 < Laurenceb> but you would still need to handle offset
2016-12-06T18:05:03 < Laurenceb> simple way to do that would be to deliberately screw up the rtc config
2016-12-06T18:05:14 < Laurenceb> like put in a silly reload value
2016-12-06T18:05:14 < karlp> eyah, that would need a quality LSE crystal, plus at least some sort of HSE.
2016-12-06T18:05:21 < Laurenceb> no
2016-12-06T18:05:44 < Laurenceb> I used +-50ppm LSE and trimmed it to +-0.5ppm on some boards
2016-12-06T18:05:57 < karlp> you still need LSE+HSE though
2016-12-06T18:06:00 < Laurenceb> with regular automated recalibration it worked fine
2016-12-06T18:06:01 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-12-06T18:06:05 < karlp> I reckon I can get good enough on HSE alone
2016-12-06T18:06:08 < karlp> with wayyy less sw
2016-12-06T18:06:18 < Laurenceb> but you cant trim LSE in hardware
2016-12-06T18:06:20 < dongs> karlp: youre not approaching this with 2016 technology. you need a ESP1488 node on each board with firmware that syncronizes the clocks with NTP wirelessly and then sends sync pulses everywhere all the time
2016-12-06T18:06:55 < karlp> dongs: yeah, or just switch from rs485 to ethernet and to PTP :)
2016-12-06T18:07:18 < karlp> not really sure I can put wifi on ~20 nodes in close proximity though, that's a different project :)
2016-12-06T18:09:42 < Laurenceb> ok I have an idea
2016-12-06T18:09:51 < Laurenceb> just change 32bit timer overflow value
2016-12-06T18:10:08 < Laurenceb> thats up to 1 in 4 billion resolution
2016-12-06T18:12:54 < Laurenceb> epic win
2016-12-06T18:13:38 < Laurenceb> or reload value I mean
2016-12-06T18:19:35 < Laurenceb> no gps in ur moms basement
2016-12-06T18:19:39 < BrainDamage> because gps boards don't work so well indoors
2016-12-06T18:20:53 < BrainDamage> karlp: actually dongs might not be completely far off, why not looking at how the ntp daemons do the drift compensation?
2016-12-06T18:24:30 < karlp> BrainDamage: I did, I generally read up on how ptp works too.
2016-12-06T18:25:08 < karlp> I think if i implemented that fully, I'd be even closer.
2016-12-06T18:25:10 < Laurenceb> isnt this trivial to do you your 32bit timer?
2016-12-06T18:25:32 < karlp> I just want to be able to know exaclty what I've got _here_ so I can knwo what my measurements are showing me
2016-12-06T18:25:46 < karlp> Laurenceb: sure, hardest part is actually getting the "exit" time from the master.
2016-12-06T18:26:05 < karlp> which is _not_ at stm32 :)
2016-12-06T18:26:12 < Laurenceb> ah
2016-12-06T18:26:52 < karlp> and seeign as I don't need _absolute_ time, only relative time, I'm hoping that won't matter, and I can get away with not doign the full back and forth of ptp/ntp
2016-12-06T18:33:33 < sync> karlp: just use a sa45s csac
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2016-12-06T18:37:33 < karlp> ok, now they'er withing 1ppm of each other :)
2016-12-06T18:40:11 < Laurenceb> isnt this just a case of tweaking the reload value?
2016-12-06T18:41:10 < Laurenceb> you could easily update at a few hz with resolution of <1ppm
2016-12-06T18:41:20 < karlp> you mean make one of them coutn 0xfffe then roll over the upper 16bit timer?
2016-12-06T18:41:58 < karlp> the 32bit timer is just a timebase to timestamp other events.
2016-12-06T18:42:21 < Laurenceb> hmm I've never used the 32bit
2016-12-06T18:42:31 < karlp> me either, be simpler if I had a real one.
2016-12-06T18:42:33 < Laurenceb> so dunno lol
2016-12-06T18:42:35 < karlp> this is just two chained together
2016-12-06T18:42:42 < karlp> L1 don't have no 32bit timer.
2016-12-06T18:42:50 < Laurenceb> guess you can do everything is software
2016-12-06T18:42:58 < Laurenceb> just modulo stuff
2016-12-06T18:43:59 < karlp> was struggling to do proper 32bit output compare on chained timers the other day, gave up, not stricly necessary for this
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2016-12-06T18:51:55 < kakimir> I think devs have lost their shit with VFD's property called "automatic energy consumption optimizing"
2016-12-06T18:52:26 < kakimir> it's id is out of sequence
2016-12-06T18:52:35 < kakimir> 666
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2016-12-06T19:13:40 < Kliment> I wish my bandsaw's motor had that
2016-12-06T19:14:14 < Kliment> It's only a 250W motor but it draws a peak that blows the breaker a quarter of the time if started cold
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2016-12-06T19:16:50 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Ben_Garrison
2016-12-06T19:18:18 < kakimir> 500w VFD isn't even that expensive
2016-12-06T19:18:39 < kakimir> and if you have contacts to industry you can get used ones almost free
2016-12-06T19:19:07 < kakimir> Kliment: 3phase?
2016-12-06T19:19:47 < Kliment> kakimir: No, single phase
2016-12-06T19:19:57 < Kliment> 3phase for a motor that tiny is pointless
2016-12-06T19:20:06 < Kliment> It's just your cheap tiny benchtop bandsaw
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2016-12-06T19:30:10 < kakimir> induction type motor?
2016-12-06T19:32:51 < Kliment> yeah
2016-12-06T19:37:55 < kakimir> get some 2 contactors
2016-12-06T19:38:10 < kakimir> or how many it ever takes
2016-12-06T19:38:37 < kakimir> and start it in star and switch to triangle when running
2016-12-06T19:38:57 < Kliment> Maybe
2016-12-06T19:39:08 < Kliment> Or just put something in series to limit the current
2016-12-06T19:40:29 < kakimir> yes
2016-12-06T19:43:31 < kakimir> what is that thing you powder into your face after shaving?
2016-12-06T19:43:36 < kakimir> white thing
2016-12-06T19:46:47 < kakimir> need to buy few parker's traditionals for presents and one for me
2016-12-06T19:47:13 < kakimir> dropped last one on floor and after that it only cut skin
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2016-12-06T20:01:55 < Steffanx> lol, we 13 yo don't shave kakimir
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2016-12-06T20:20:30 < ReadErr> papa gives him an old razor with the blades removed
2016-12-06T20:20:33 < ReadErr> so he can pretend 
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2016-12-06T20:36:33 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/rWczZu.jpg
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2016-12-06T20:45:35 < kakimir> how many percent of GB is poles Laurenceb ?
2016-12-06T20:46:21 < Laurenceb> over 9000
2016-12-06T20:46:31 < Laurenceb> suddenly poles everywhere
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2016-12-06T20:47:10 < kakimir> did you first import like 2 of them?
2016-12-06T20:47:20 < Laurenceb> https://i1.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/17/article-2174820-1417D782000005DC-49_634x466.jpg
2016-12-06T20:47:22 < kakimir> male and female
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2016-12-06T20:48:02 < kakimir> poland or england all the same football holigans to me
2016-12-06T20:48:10 < Laurenceb> http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/body_image2015/gettyimages-57611167.jpg
2016-12-06T20:49:38 < jadew> why is there so much stuff about poland in your images?
2016-12-06T20:50:17 < jadew> I assume it's linked to some real life events, but I don't know about them
2016-12-06T20:50:27 < Laurenceb> gas the polish, EU war now
2016-12-06T20:51:04 < jadew> can you please elaborate?
2016-12-06T20:51:15 < jadew> or at least link to something that can take me from 0 to "ah ah"
2016-12-06T20:51:20 < jadew> *"ah ha
2016-12-06T20:51:22 < jadew> "
2016-12-06T20:52:35 < Laurenceb> polish: still better than british
2016-12-06T20:52:42 < Laurenceb> typical british family: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iFGBlCh6DEE/UWN9ej0pjtI/AAAAAAAABqA/_eMJl8Udd70/s1600/Mail.jpg
2016-12-06T20:53:49 < jadew> so... like gypsies here
2016-12-06T20:55:28 < kakimir> socialist state collapse ETA Laurenceb ?
2016-12-06T20:57:40 < jadew> IMO welfare shouldn't give you anything close to a normal life style
2016-12-06T20:58:15 < jadew> should barely be enough to live on
2016-12-06T21:05:27 < kakimir> in here thing is to collect all the additions to it and have a finally have a pension at old age of 22
2016-12-06T21:05:53 < jadew> heh
2016-12-06T21:07:05 < jadew> man, I just love the song I linked earlier, can't get enough
2016-12-06T21:07:14 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC9G_Lb88E8#t=23s
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2016-12-06T21:17:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bf3_1481040343
2016-12-06T21:17:37 < Laurenceb> wtf
2016-12-06T21:17:37 < kakimir> jadew: addictive
2016-12-06T21:17:44 < Laurenceb> I spot stvn
2016-12-06T21:21:18 < jadew> kakimir, I know, it's amazing how good music was back then
2016-12-06T21:22:01 < Steffanx> it's awful imho jadew :P
2016-12-06T21:22:24 < kakimir> I think the performance is mezmerizing but music is like really simple pop
2016-12-06T21:23:10 < jadew> it probably is, but I like it and I was very surprised to find out that's what they had in the 60's
2016-12-06T21:23:19 < jadew> what we have now is much lower quality
2016-12-06T21:23:35 < jadew> and most of it is autotune garbage
2016-12-06T21:24:23 < kakimir> she smiles
2016-12-06T21:32:45 < kakimir> and has this essence
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2016-12-06T22:03:06 < Laurenceb> gas the welsh
2016-12-06T22:03:07 < Laurenceb> https://mariannewildart.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/hitachi-try-to-stop-the-welsh-language.jpg
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2016-12-06T22:19:54 < TheSeven> Kliment: saw some mentions in the backlog, but too lazy to find what it refers to - you're doing something with ws2812?
2016-12-06T22:20:07 < Kliment> TheSeven: I'm not
2016-12-06T22:22:09 < Kliment> TheSeven: I'm generating a long stream of pulses that need to be at exactly equal intervals
2016-12-06T22:22:36 < TheSeven> sounds like PWM?
2016-12-06T22:23:16 < TheSeven> or some corner case of that
2016-12-06T22:26:32 < kakimir> Laurenceb: where is there the civilized area?
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2016-12-06T22:37:28 < Fleck> anyone knows that white glue thing in PSU usually, coild glued to not bounce around? :D How it's called?
2016-12-06T22:39:18 < kakimir> white shit
2016-12-06T22:39:27 < kakimir> it's epoxy
2016-12-06T22:39:43 < kakimir> hard one is epoxy
2016-12-06T22:40:08 < kakimir> soft one is some snot
2016-12-06T22:42:15 < Thorn> Fleck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot-melt_adhesive
2016-12-06T22:42:30 < Fleck> nope thats not it Thorn
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2016-12-06T22:42:59 < kakimir> Thorn: so called hot snot
2016-12-06T22:43:17 < kakimir> or just hot glue
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2016-12-06T22:59:26 < TheSeven> I suspect Fleck means that silicone-like rubbery stuff, not hot snot
2016-12-06T22:59:54 < Fleck> TheSeven: yep
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2016-12-06T23:02:52 < BrainDamage> i always called it thermal glue, but i doubt it's the proper name
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2016-12-06T23:10:19 < Steffanx> you disappoint me BrainDamage
2016-12-06T23:10:24 < Steffanx> You always know your stuff
2016-12-06T23:10:45 < BrainDamage> i'm not wikipedia
2016-12-06T23:11:02 < Steffanx> No, you are BrainDamage.
2016-12-06T23:11:27 < jadew> has anyone found a good hot snot dispenser?
2016-12-06T23:11:42 < jadew> something more controlled than what you normally get with those cheap guns?
2016-12-06T23:11:55 < Fleck> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/704-White-Silicon-Rubber-High-Temperature-Sealant-Adhesive-Glue-for-Electronic-Devices-Silicone-Sealant-Silicone-Rubber/32700039149.html?spm=2114.30010308.8.18.1nN28s
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2016-12-06T23:28:59 < englishman> http://www.vocativ.com/377606/bioring-indiegogo-crowdfunding-fitness-tracker/
2016-12-06T23:29:02 < englishman> huh
2016-12-06T23:29:28 < englishman> 25% of raised money going to marketing
2016-12-06T23:38:32 < Steffanx> haha lovely.
2016-12-06T23:42:40 < KreAture_Zzz> hurray
2016-12-06T23:42:44 < KreAture_Zzz> I got my bag of fun
2016-12-06T23:42:57 < KreAture_Zzz> tiny cute boards with stm32f030's
2016-12-06T23:43:04 < KreAture_Zzz> cheap as hell
2016-12-06T23:43:21 < KreAture_Zzz> actually, not as cheap as they could have been though, infact the 103 is about same
2016-12-06T23:43:24 < KreAture_Zzz> and has more pins
2016-12-06T23:44:08 < brabo> how cheap?
2016-12-06T23:44:45 < brabo> you mean comparable to the cheap f103s like the bluepill?
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2016-12-06T23:50:48 < KreAture_Zzz> yeah
2016-12-06T23:51:03 < KreAture_Zzz> You can get the 030 as chips very cheap
2016-12-06T23:51:08 < KreAture_Zzz> but the boards are a bit more
2016-12-06T23:51:46 < KreAture_Zzz> 103 bluepills I got down to 1.61 a piece
2016-12-06T23:51:51 < KreAture_Zzz> in lots of 10
2016-12-06T23:52:06 < KreAture_Zzz> with shipping it ended up at 1.795 a piece
2016-12-06T23:52:34 < KreAture_Zzz> The 030 I only got as low as 1.975 a piece in lots of 10
2016-12-06T23:52:45 < KreAture_Zzz> including shipping that is
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2016-12-06T23:56:23 < brabo> KreAture_Zzz: cool
2016-12-06T23:56:51 < KreAture_Zzz> with the nice bluepill prices though, I am not sure there is much point in getting the 030's
2016-12-06T23:57:02 < KreAture_Zzz> what would be better in em?
2016-12-06T23:57:03 < KreAture_Zzz> dma?
2016-12-06T23:57:12 < KreAture_Zzz> They are newer aren't they, 103 is an old one
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2016-12-06T23:58:36 < brabo> idk
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2016-12-07T00:00:35 < KreAture_Zzz> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32f1-series/stm32f103/stm32f103c8.html
2016-12-07T00:00:39 < KreAture_Zzz> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32f0-series/stm32f0x0-value-line/stm32f030f4.html
2016-12-07T00:00:44 < KreAture_Zzz> Those are the two "contenders"
2016-12-07T00:01:01 < KreAture_Zzz> getting boards with 103 cheaper than 030, something must be off :)
2016-12-07T00:01:35 < KreAture_Zzz> Flash is 64k in the f103 but 16k in the f030
2016-12-07T00:01:55 < brabo> 16k flash.. that is not a whole lot..
2016-12-07T00:01:58 < KreAture_Zzz> Sram is 20k in the f103, 4k in the f030
2016-12-07T00:02:14 < KreAture_Zzz> no, so why is the 030 not cheaper than the 103
2016-12-07T00:02:19 < KreAture_Zzz> or why is the 103 cheaper
2016-12-07T00:02:21 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
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2016-12-07T00:03:19 < KreAture_Zzz> f103 has 7 channel dma, f030 only 5 channel
2016-12-07T00:03:23 < KreAture_Zzz> 103 wins again
2016-12-07T00:04:14 < KreAture_Zzz> ooooh, the 030 has a 16 bit timer for advanced pwm with 6 outputs
2016-12-07T00:04:19 < KreAture_Zzz> I smell brushless
2016-12-07T00:05:17 < KreAture_Zzz> yeah that seems to be it's best "trumph"
2016-12-07T00:17:33 < TheSeven> KreAture_Zzz: I have my own f030 and f072 boards, so I just buy the chips and assemble those (and a couple of caps) myself, gets the whole thing down to sub-$1
2016-12-07T00:18:15 < TheSeven> or maybe $1.30 for the f072 version
2016-12-07T00:19:03 < TheSeven> I vastly prefer the f0xx architecture to f1xx, mostly because it is a much newer, cleaner design
2016-12-07T00:19:46 < TheSeven> f072 is 128k flash and 16k RAM, so comparable to f103
2016-12-07T00:21:29 < TheSeven> also it doesn't need an xtal
2016-12-07T00:24:34 < KreAture_Zzz> TheSeven yes but for those grab a board projects I like to have some standard ones
2016-12-07T00:25:01 < KreAture_Zzz> and yes that is why I am wondering, the newer 030 may have a better dma as the 103 sucks when doing dma from gpio to mem etc
2016-12-07T00:25:05 < TheSeven> I have a couple of breakout board designs for f030f4p6, f072c8t6 and f205rbt6 for exactly that purpose
2016-12-07T00:25:34 < mitrax> i'm having problems with usb msc, ST's msc library doesn't recognize some usb drives. when stepping through the code it turns out the problem occurs when a 'request sense' command is sent after a failed 'test unit ready' command, request sense causes those devices to stall forever. 
2016-12-07T00:25:40 < TheSeven> much more handy than the ebay ones, because I have included footprints for commonly used stuff (such as an NRF24L01+ radio module, LCD, boost/buck converter, ...)
2016-12-07T00:26:19 < mitrax> if i comment the request sense part it works for those devices, i can carry on with a new 'test unit ready' that succeed, but then i'm having problems with some devices that expects a request sense and report e.g a 'unit attention' sense error
2016-12-07T00:26:24 < TheSeven> mitrax: and clearing the stall fails?
2016-12-07T00:26:27 < zyp> mitrax, it's probably forgetting to clear stall
2016-12-07T00:26:37 < KreAture_Zzz> TheSeven in my case I need em to be small in most situations
2016-12-07T00:26:48 < KreAture_Zzz> so adding stuff I won't need is not a favour there
2016-12-07T00:26:54 < KreAture_Zzz> although I see the point as dev boards
2016-12-07T00:27:10 < mitrax> zyp/TheSeven: seems it's not clearing it anywhere indeed
2016-12-07T00:28:01 < TheSeven> KreAture_Zzz: my breakouts are 24x24mm (f030), 20x48mm (f072) and 50x50mm (f205, with a shield for ethernet)
2016-12-07T00:28:09 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-12-07T00:28:51 < TheSeven> the f072 is the latest one, it's been designed to fit into solderless breadboards, 19 rows, 8 columns (i.e. one shorter and one wider than a dip40 pic mcu)
2016-12-07T00:29:01 < KreAture_Zzz> when I did my dma based sdram driver for the bluepill etc I found the performance of the dma to be quite disappointing
2016-12-07T00:29:26 < TheSeven> I mostly use them as dev boards, but they ended up sneaking into quite a bunch of applications as well
2016-12-07T00:29:34 < TheSeven> the design is squeezed fairly tight ;)
2016-12-07T00:30:05 < TheSeven> is 20x48 even larger than a bluepill?
2016-12-07T00:30:18 < mitrax> is it common for usb sticks to not support request sense info?
2016-12-07T00:30:36 < zyp> I'm pretty sure it's mandatory
2016-12-07T00:31:15 < aandrew> it's required to meet spec
2016-12-07T00:31:21 < aandrew> you're not allowed to load D+/D- unless you sense VBUS
2016-12-07T00:31:30 < TheSeven> cheap thumbdrives don't bother about specs at all as long as it works on windows
2016-12-07T00:31:43 < TheSeven> and I guess windows can handle such a request failing
2016-12-07T00:32:02 < TheSeven> the USB MSC standard lays out a fairly clear procedure how to handle such a command failure
2016-12-07T00:32:17 < zyp> IME windows is more picky than other OS
2016-12-07T00:33:09 < zyp> aandrew, nobody is talking about vbus sensing
2016-12-07T00:33:20 < aandrew> zyp: ah. shame on me for half reading :-/
2016-12-07T00:34:03 < KreAture_Zzz> TheSeven when doing a transfer to a port it doesn't appear you can pass 4-6 Mtransfer/second on 72MHz without dropping the timer trigger
2016-12-07T00:34:13 < KreAture_Zzz> TheSeven then you gain 1 core cycle
2016-12-07T00:35:00 < TheSeven> hah my board is one row shorter and wider than the bluepill if you look at the pin headers - but mine are castellated while the pin headers on the bluepill have a border with labels around them, making it effectively larger :P
2016-12-07T00:36:10 < TheSeven> that said, f072 is only speced at 48MHz, not 72
2016-12-07T00:36:17 < TheSeven> but it's just sufficient for most things that I do
2016-12-07T00:42:55 < KreAture_Zzz> I overclock the 103 to 128MHz though
2016-12-07T00:43:05 < KreAture_Zzz> but as I said
2016-12-07T00:43:11 < KreAture_Zzz> I really wanna test the dma on the diff units
2016-12-07T00:43:15 < KreAture_Zzz> see if there is much diffs
2016-12-07T00:43:21 < KreAture_Zzz> some apparantly have fifos on the dma
2016-12-07T00:43:24 < KreAture_Zzz> that could help a lot
2016-12-07T00:46:01 < TheSeven> f2xx has DMA FIFOs
2016-12-07T00:46:09 < TheSeven> I don't think f0xx does
2016-12-07T00:46:39 < KreAture_Zzz> nah
2016-12-07T00:46:44 < KreAture_Zzz> I got some 207 I will test on
2016-12-07T00:47:15 < KreAture_Zzz> I am very disappointed though about the number of cycles needed for transfers to or from gpio
2016-12-07T00:47:35 < KreAture_Zzz> if you set the system to mem2mem mode to avoid any triggering you get max thgoughput
2016-12-07T00:47:49 < KreAture_Zzz> Then you can get 10 cycle transfers for 7.2 Mtransfer/sec on 72 MHz
2016-12-07T00:48:01 < KreAture_Zzz> using a timer to trigger every transfer you loose another cycle
2016-12-07T00:48:11 < KreAture_Zzz> needing 11 per transfer
2016-12-07T01:05:20 < jadew> already have all the options :P
2016-12-07T01:05:32 < jadew> do they have anything cheaper tho?
2016-12-07T01:07:33 < jadew> only the shitty clearance stuff
2016-12-07T01:07:45 < jadew> which never seems like a very good deal
2016-12-07T01:09:00 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-07T01:09:24 < aandrew> ok 
2016-12-07T01:09:34 < aandrew> why the fuck is the space bar not working in altium's vault? works in altium
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2016-12-07T01:51:44 < stvn> g'=
2016-12-07T01:54:07 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai yes but hunger is not as much fun as big guns
2016-12-07T01:54:16 < KreAture_Zzz> so I don't think you can make em change
2016-12-07T01:57:05 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai there's an eesa budget too
2016-12-07T02:05:13 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/MSenWC.jpg
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2016-12-07T02:15:49 < __rob> using the msi on an stm32l0, if I drop everything down to 65khz, timer interrupt doesn't fire
2016-12-07T02:15:53 < __rob> all flags are set
2016-12-07T02:16:03 < __rob> changing speed back to > 250khz and its working
2016-12-07T02:16:20 < __rob> anyone know a reason for this ? 
2016-12-07T02:16:35 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/06/apple_watch_sales_go_over_a_cliff_down_28m_per_quarter_in_a_year/ haha
2016-12-07T02:17:39 < TheSeven> __rob: the timer interrupt flag is set in the timer, but doesn't appear in NVIC?
2016-12-07T02:19:52 < Laurenceb_> wait I thought numbers were secret
2016-12-07T02:20:47 < stvn> mm
2016-12-07T02:20:59 < aandrew> well duh
2016-12-07T02:21:03 < aandrew> nobody wants an apple watch
2016-12-07T02:21:15 < stvn> meellion
2016-12-07T02:21:16 < stvn> wtf
2016-12-07T02:21:43 < dongs> sime brit fagtalk
2016-12-07T02:21:50 < dongs> probably stolen from drwho or some other unfunny shit
2016-12-07T02:21:54 < dongs> Laurenceb_ probly knows
2016-12-07T02:22:59 < Laurenceb_> drwho lol
2016-12-07T02:23:03 < stvn> ah
2016-12-07T02:23:04 < Laurenceb_> worst show ever
2016-12-07T02:23:11 < stvn> fucking brits
2016-12-07T02:23:17 < Laurenceb_> makes even the worst US cable tv shit look good
2016-12-07T02:23:28 < dongs> right
2016-12-07T02:23:40 < dongs> https://memegenerator.net/instance/64787985 there's this but no idea who that guy is
2016-12-07T02:24:00 < Laurenceb_> they dont seem to realise the original was good cuz it was so bad
2016-12-07T02:24:09 < stvn> oh that fucking austin powers shit
2016-12-07T02:24:10 < BrainDamage> dr evil, it says even in the caption on the side
2016-12-07T02:24:17 < Laurenceb_> so they remade it just good enough to be really lame
2016-12-07T02:24:21 < stvn> i hate that film
2016-12-07T02:24:26 < Laurenceb_> Austin Powers was almost good
2016-12-07T02:24:35 < Laurenceb_> Dr Evil was funny at least
2016-12-07T02:24:43 < stvn> i want to strange and drown that mini me fuck
2016-12-07T02:24:55 < stvn> strangle
2016-12-07T02:26:00 < dongs> e-strangle
2016-12-07T02:26:02 < Laurenceb_> Farscape was almost as bad as Dr Who
2016-12-07T02:26:04 < Laurenceb_>  almost
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2016-12-07T02:26:43 < dongs> Farscape (1999-2003)
2016-12-07T02:26:44 < dongs> no.
2016-12-07T02:26:51 < stvn> i'd reopen auschwitz for the cast of that movie
2016-12-07T02:27:04 < dongs> anything that lasted more than a year on american TV is garbage
2016-12-07T02:27:09 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-12-07T02:27:38 < Laurenceb_> Farce - cape
2016-12-07T02:27:48 < Laurenceb_> Fuckular-3000
2016-12-07T02:27:57 < Laurenceb_> and the incest game shows
2016-12-07T02:28:26 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs !
2016-12-07T02:29:32 < stvn> here's some anime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1m3Uuy9PPk
2016-12-07T02:29:40 < Laurenceb_> R2COM confirmed as sovereign citizen
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2016-12-07T02:44:16 < __rob2> TheSeven, yea
2016-12-07T02:44:27 < __rob2> flag is set,it enabled, nothing changes apart from the MSI clock speed
2016-12-07T02:44:46 < TheSeven> so it doesn't even become set in NVIC->PR?
2016-12-07T02:44:52 < __rob2> nope
2016-12-07T02:45:22 < TheSeven> (I mean ISPR)
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2016-12-07T02:45:58 < TheSeven> FCLK and the timer both run at the same clock speed, in both clock source situations?
2016-12-07T02:46:15 < __rob2> yea, all dividers are set to 1
2016-12-07T02:46:28 < __rob2> everything is running on the same clock
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2016-12-07T02:53:39 < TheSeven> __rob2: does it also happen if you use a highspeed oscillator and divide the clock down somewhere?
2016-12-07T02:54:01 < TheSeven> (no idea how an L series clock tree looks like, I've only worked with F[0124] so far)
2016-12-07T03:01:59 < __rob2> I'll play around
2016-12-07T03:02:02 < __rob2> one for tomorrow I think
2016-12-07T03:02:05 < __rob2> thanks
2016-12-07T03:15:13 < ohsix> fooboner
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2016-12-07T03:27:52 < karlp> jadew: this lesley gore stuff is garbage.
2016-12-07T03:29:00 < jadew> I really like it and it makes me sad that most of the people there are already dead
2016-12-07T03:29:42 < jadew> out of curiosity, what do you normally listen to?
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2016-12-07T03:32:04 < jadew> LeelooMinai, pop singer from the 60s
2016-12-07T03:33:19 < karlp> there's some lovely underappreciated 60s stuff, that leslie gore is not one of them.
2016-12-07T03:33:39 < jadew> haha, no, but I do think about those who are and lived with that music
2016-12-07T03:34:01 < jadew> karlp, there are plenty of 60s stuff that is overappreciated
2016-12-07T03:34:39 < jadew> I'm not too sophisticated when it comes to music tho
2016-12-07T03:34:45 < jadew> I like what I like
2016-12-07T03:35:08 < jadew> LeelooMinai, don't know, I always had that when I listened to old music
2016-12-07T03:36:00 < jadew> I feel the melancholy of those days, as if they're part of my past and I always feel sad about it, cuz you know... it's in the past
2016-12-07T03:36:53 < jadew> I think it's something I picked up from observing that feeling in my parents when I was young
2016-12-07T03:37:01 < jadew> I guess I took it from there
2016-12-07T03:38:14 < BrainDamage> you're not triggering suficiently laurenceb progressive hatred
2016-12-07T03:38:14 < jadew> I used to listen stuff like that in highschool, but I lost the taste for it
2016-12-07T03:38:31 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pofqHfSvy_8
2016-12-07T03:38:51 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I hope not dead
2016-12-07T03:39:25 < karlp> whee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-j7mIYNssI&feature=youtu.be
2016-12-07T03:39:40 < BrainDamage> some of the members acually did become dream theater
2016-12-07T03:40:17 < BrainDamage> i don't like them either,but i don't mind liquid tension
2016-12-07T03:40:26 < BrainDamage> karlp: add an epilepsy mode pls
2016-12-07T03:40:54 < karlp> BrainDamage: have been desperately getting wifi connection/station mode + OTA firmware updates working.
2016-12-07T03:41:09 < karlp> actually useful led patterns is the last thing to do
2016-12-07T03:41:27 < karlp> jadew: this is early 70s, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLxrrE6wC5I will dig up some more unappreciated 60s maybe.
2016-12-07T03:42:18 < jadew> karlp, hehe, hardly unappreciated
2016-12-07T03:42:26 < jadew> I'm sick of it and haven't heard it in 20 years
2016-12-07T03:43:05 < karlp> heh, unappreciated in a lot of english speaking perhaps.
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2016-12-07T03:43:42 < jadew> karlp, could be, it's one of the constantly recurring songs from my childhood
2016-12-07T03:45:40 < jadew> I was a very sad kid, but I don't think it was the music
2016-12-07T03:45:47 < jadew> (don't know why)
2016-12-07T03:46:09 < jadew> I don't smile in any of my childhood photos
2016-12-07T03:46:45 < jadew> haha
2016-12-07T03:47:17 < jadew> I don't think autism was invented back then
2016-12-07T03:48:10 < jadew> no, as in not a thing
2016-12-07T03:48:19 < Laurenceb_> caused by the internets
2016-12-07T03:48:38 < karlp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNVdziest58&feature=youtu.be&t=212 ?
2016-12-07T03:48:40 < jadew> I don't think they even thought in terms of retardness (at least where I grew up), they probably just went by stupid / not-stupd
2016-12-07T03:48:45 < jadew> *stupid
2016-12-07T03:49:12 < Laurenceb_> leeloo meets ohsix
2016-12-07T03:49:14 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGPbRMxJP7E
2016-12-07T03:50:02 < jadew> karlp, nice
2016-12-07T03:51:09 < Laurenceb_> cuz you are on irc
2016-12-07T03:51:23 < Laurenceb_> no grrls on irc
2016-12-07T03:54:13 < jadew> you know that homosexuality is normal, right? like even for other animals, they've found that a steady percentage are homosexual
2016-12-07T03:54:22 < jadew> and that percentage seems to be similar to what we have
2016-12-07T03:55:10 < jadew> are gays religious?
2016-12-07T03:55:48 < jadew> I wonder how that works
2016-12-07T03:56:38 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you know, god hates homosexuals, but they love god
2016-12-07T03:58:16 < jadew> it's hard to miinterpret the sodom and gomorrah story
2016-12-07T04:00:21 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, I was just thinking that they have to distort its meaning even more than regular folks in order to make sense of it
2016-12-07T04:01:36 < jadew> LeelooMinai, obviously, but we're talking about the gays who believe
2016-12-07T04:02:00 < jadew> R2COM, btw, in here I don't think gays are hated by anyone
2016-12-07T04:02:09 < jadew> they're just reason for gossip
2016-12-07T04:02:22 < jadew> "did you know X likes it up the butt?"
2016-12-07T04:02:25 < jadew> "no way!"
2016-12-07T04:02:46 < jadew> by here, I mean Romania, not ##stm32
2016-12-07T04:03:23 < Laurenceb_> wtf is happening in this channel
2016-12-07T04:04:05 < Laurenceb_> its gone of the deep end of trolling
2016-12-07T04:04:32 < Laurenceb_> quick lets spam the channel
2016-12-07T04:04:34 < Laurenceb_> EK
2016-12-07T04:04:34 < Laurenceb_> EX	0	62	1	0	1	0	0
2016-12-07T04:04:34 < Laurenceb_> FR	0	30	0	0	862.74	0.5
2016-12-07T04:04:34 < Laurenceb_> EN
2016-12-07T04:05:04 < Laurenceb_> CM Length X1 = 0.015
2016-12-07T04:05:04 < Laurenceb_> CM Length X2 = 0.015
2016-12-07T04:05:04 < Laurenceb_> CM Length Y = 0.005
2016-12-07T04:05:04 < Laurenceb_> CM Length Z1 = 0.001
2016-12-07T04:05:04 < Laurenceb_> CM Length Z2 = 0.001
2016-12-07T04:05:08 < Laurenceb_> CM X sections = 15
2016-12-07T04:05:10 < Laurenceb_> CM Y sections = 5
2016-12-07T04:05:12 < Laurenceb_> CM Z sections = 1
2016-12-07T04:05:14 < Laurenceb_> CM Rotate X, Y, Z = 0, 0, 0
2016-12-07T04:05:16 < Laurenceb_> CM Move X, Y, Z = 0, 0, 0
2016-12-07T04:05:31 < jadew> Laurenceb_, readings from your baloon?
2016-12-07T04:05:52 < jadew> Laurenceb_, nvm
2016-12-07T04:05:55 < jadew> looks like not
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2016-12-07T04:28:14 < jadew> today's episode of "You're a fag. No you!" was more entertaining than usual
2016-12-07T04:31:22 < jadew> no spoilers please, I haven't seen the last one
2016-12-07T04:32:34 < jadew> ah
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2016-12-07T04:49:33 < englishman> my what a lovely channel for embedded development discussion
2016-12-07T05:00:14 < upgrdman> old, but the end is just so :)  http://i.imgur.com/P5iOL6G.gifv
2016-12-07T05:01:40 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/7f1LP3e.gifv
2016-12-07T05:14:23 < upgrdman> LOL  https://gfycat.com/CircularEmotionalBarebirdbat
2016-12-07T05:17:59 < upgrdman> http://www.whio.com/news/national/man-dies-emotional-distress-after-being-forced-clean-walgreens-bathroom-widow-says/2KLEKWJ0yq5vBy3k8a55oK/
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2016-12-07T05:26:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://gfycat.com/BogusIdioticGallinule
2016-12-07T05:27:01 < jadew> lol
2016-12-07T05:27:34 < jadew> didn't hurt him
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2016-12-07T05:36:24 < upgrdman> :)
2016-12-07T05:38:50 < upgrdman> lol
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2016-12-07T05:55:43 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/qmXND
2016-12-07T05:56:26 < ReadErr> ordered another rooter
2016-12-07T05:56:34 < ReadErr> should be fastly for years to cum
2016-12-07T06:04:21 < ReadErr> https://slickdeals.net/f/9330575-asus-tm-ac1900-wireless-ac1900-dual-band-gigabit-router-59-free-shipping?src=featured-12691
2016-12-07T06:04:26 < ReadErr> pretty solid value
2016-12-07T06:09:16 < ReadErr> oh yea def have to flash them
2016-12-07T06:09:23 < ReadErr> comes w/ some lame t-mobile fw
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2016-12-07T08:32:41 < upgrdman> so any reason to use bipolar transistors over mosfets these days? only thing i can think of, is that ~all NPN bases are "logic level"
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2016-12-07T08:34:00 < Kliment> upgrdman: I think the linear region of BJTs is larger so if you need proportional current scaling they will be better
2016-12-07T08:34:14 < upgrdman> hmmm
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2016-12-07T08:35:17 < Kliment> FETs have a small linear region, so they'll jump from fully off to fully on and back fairly quickly
2016-12-07T08:35:39 < upgrdman> ya i understand lin region
2016-12-07T08:35:47 < Kliment> This is usually what you want, but not always
2016-12-07T08:35:53 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-07T08:36:00 < Kliment> And operating a FET in the linear region is very inefficient
2016-12-07T08:36:21 < Kliment> Also, FETs are voltage-driven switches - the gate is a cap, when the cap reaches a certain voltage it conducts
2016-12-07T08:36:26 < jpa-> upgrdman: sometimes the large capacitance of FETs can disturb the signal you are switching; though there are many ways to avoid that
2016-12-07T08:36:42 < Kliment> BJTs are current-driven
2016-12-07T08:37:31 < upgrdman> Kliment, how can the linear region be less efficient? the whole point is to waste power as heat, no?
2016-12-07T08:37:32 < jpa-> upgrdman: also at very high currents and voltages, FET Rds_on becomes a significant efficiency problem; hence, IGBT's which are more like BJTs
2016-12-07T08:37:48 < upgrdman> hmm ok
2016-12-07T08:38:10 < Kliment> upgrdman: Using it in FETs in less efficient because you're constantly charging and discharging a capacitor
2016-12-07T08:38:14 < jpa-> FETs need more "bias current" if you want to restrict yourself to the truly linear region
2016-12-07T08:38:25 < jpa-> but otherwise works fine IMO
2016-12-07T08:38:50 < jpa-> charging and discharging the capacitor vs. providing base current is a tradeoff that depends on driving frequency
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2016-12-07T08:40:47 < Kliment> FETs are just far cheaper to produce, and the process is so simple you can manufacture them with very good tolerances
2016-12-07T08:49:29 < upgrdman> dongs, !!!  https://youtu.be/ev7fip8SNhg?t=33
2016-12-07T08:53:56 < ohsix> Laurenceb: lul i might have my own horse money soon
2016-12-07T08:54:54 < ohsix> got a crash course on horse anatomy and something a person was studying for a while
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2016-12-07T09:04:25 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/NeruNox/status/801027644116627456
2016-12-07T09:06:53 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzCKDm2WIAAURCX.jpg:large
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2016-12-07T09:09:06 < ohsix> i got some smd breakout boards and now i just need some 8 pin things that are interesting to put on them
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2016-12-07T09:10:39 < ohsix> upgrdman: leakage
2016-12-07T09:11:34 < ohsix> i'd been avoiding that for no particular reason, the jokes are megacringe
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2016-12-07T10:09:04 < ohsix> upgrdman: sup? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtPvkPpAx0E i'm trying to get this shit to work
2016-12-07T10:09:13 < ohsix> after he installs arduino cdt, he gets a new toolbar in top left
2016-12-07T10:09:39 < ohsix> i don't get that and i'm eclipse dumb so i don't know where to look for it to add it to the toolbar, if it is hidden cuz of screen size or $other
2016-12-07T10:11:06 < ohsix> also if i try to use connections and find the other ui (than the toolbar), i can't find that either
2016-12-07T10:11:48 < ohsix> one of the board members (lol, didn't know this when i offered to look into it) at the haxor space had some weird issues with it, so i'm just reproducing it and seeing what happens
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2016-12-07T10:14:32 < stvn> arduino mate
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2016-12-07T10:19:26 < ohsix> mate? the drink?
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2016-12-07T11:27:01 < upgrdman> ohsix, where in the video? im guessing you need to switch to a different "perspective" ... window > perspective > open perspective > other, and look for one related to the plugin
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2016-12-07T11:44:54 < mitrax> could my issue with some usb sticks not responding to certain commands and not mounting properly as msc be hardware related? i'm using ST's host library, branded drives work fine and mount / transfer data properly, some older / unbranded drives fail with even simple request such as getting a the product string... (but do work on my pc)... I have 22Ohms resistors in series between the device 
2016-12-07T11:44:54 < mitrax> and the mcu pins, and an ESD protection device (same one as on the STM32F429 disco)
2016-12-07T11:55:55 < ohsix> upgrdman: did that, it's supposed to be part of the cdt perspecitve
2016-12-07T11:56:33 < ohsix> upgrdman: i think it's weird cuz of how i installed it from fedora, a dependency is missing or something. that bar is another plugin and it's not in the fedora deps
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2016-12-07T12:05:12 < ohsix> people make jokes about emacs being an OS
2016-12-07T12:05:16 < ohsix> eclipse, uff
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2016-12-07T12:06:40 < ohsix> oh, HUHUH the info i wanted is in the plug in developer perspective
2016-12-07T12:13:54 < karlp> http://www.elecrow.com/services/10pcs-2-layer-pcb-2285.html
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2016-12-07T12:28:41 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I probably have that transistor in my old parts bin
2016-12-07T12:32:24 < jadew> when I was young I was desoldering components off of old boards all the time
2016-12-07T12:33:59 < jadew> it was the only way I could get components
2016-12-07T12:35:05 < jadew> I did, but I don't know where they came from, I already had them
2016-12-07T12:35:33 < jadew> I guess most of them came from my dad and only a couple from stuff I decided I don't need anymore
2016-12-07T12:35:39 < dongs> mitrax: should be fine
2016-12-07T12:35:47 < dongs> mitrax: hookup usb analyzer and see what fails
2016-12-07T12:36:55 < mitrax> dongs: hi, one in particular you would recommend?
2016-12-07T12:37:56 < dongs> well, youre not gonna buy one for ~1k$ so maybe ask local test place if yo ucan rent?
2016-12-07T12:38:03 < dongs> or maybe use some lunix/wahtever thing that can monitor
2016-12-07T12:38:08 < dongs> donno how well that works
2016-12-07T12:38:18 < dongs> LTE doesn't like trains
2016-12-07T12:38:32 < dongs> i use ellisys usb analyzer, it works ok for my purposes.
2016-12-07T12:40:04 < mitrax> alright, thanks
2016-12-07T12:40:35 < karlp> we've got amountain of bc147 here, beside the 1k rolls of through hole resistors someone bought when they started the company.  "we'll need all this electronics shit right?"
2016-12-07T12:49:31 < mitrax> dongs: do you think a noisy/unproperly decoupled VBUS line could cause issue with some drives?
2016-12-07T12:51:00 < dongs> no
2016-12-07T12:51:09 < dongs> it has to be REALLY nois for it to matter
2016-12-07T12:51:18 < dongs> also cheap/shit drives are probably just using a linear vreg for 5V->3V
2016-12-07T12:51:24 < dongs> so that shit gets cleaned up already before anything happens
2016-12-07T12:51:43 < karlp> mitrax: buggy drives are buggy
2016-12-07T12:51:57 < karlp> there's a pile of quirks modes for usb msc for linux drivers, look at stlinkv1 for instance.
2016-12-07T12:52:08 < karlp> I'm not surprised that ST's USB MSC host stack doesn't handle them all.
2016-12-07T12:53:09 < mitrax> karlp: ah, well, i have an old 1GB Transcend that works on my PC, i assumed that one should work at least
2016-12-07T12:53:32 < dongs> lol
2016-12-07T12:53:42 < dongs> ST used their shitty msc impl in stlink
2016-12-07T12:53:46 < dongs> thats why its brokne amirite???
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2016-12-07T12:57:45 < mitrax> from what i've seen when debugging the problem their implementation sucks yeah ... guess i should try with a third party one... what's weird is it fails very early, getting the full config descriptor works, then it fails when retrieving the manufacturer string
2016-12-07T13:01:15 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: is it actually legit working antenna?
2016-12-07T13:03:39 < kakimir> DDOS weigth scale
2016-12-07T13:04:27 < karlp> what freq is that for LeelooMinai ?
2016-12-07T13:05:32 < karlp> sounds like some engineer was having a wank to have designed that for real
2016-12-07T13:09:53 < jadew> which part is of interest to you?
2016-12-07T13:11:36 < Kliment> "do not show again for -1 hours"
2016-12-07T13:11:44 < Kliment> great software quality, segger
2016-12-07T13:11:53 < dongs> oh keil has a wonderful usb stack
2016-12-07T13:12:10 < dongs> with msc device and host
2016-12-07T13:12:12 < dongs> ^_^
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2016-12-07T13:50:52  * Kliment sends out a couple PCBA RFQa
2016-12-07T13:50:56 < Kliment> RFQs*
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2016-12-07T14:53:25 < stvn> ballcock
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2016-12-07T14:58:14 < stvn> mitrax, i have a false arm
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2016-12-07T15:01:23 < mitrax> stvn: *aaaAAaAaA*
2016-12-07T15:01:57 < mitrax> stvn: hi :) 
2016-12-07T15:03:17 < stvn> :D
2016-12-07T15:03:19 < stvn> sup
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2016-12-07T15:03:46 < mitrax> not much, trying to fix a problem with some usb sticks not being recognized
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2016-12-07T15:05:17 < mitrax> seems like ST's msc host lib doesn't handle the stall condition... or well never resets it when it occurs, as zyp hinted
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2016-12-07T16:07:47 < zyp> well, if it doesn't handle error recovery properly, it's not compliant
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2016-12-07T16:14:18 < karlp> Super User Fantastic Feature Enable Register
2016-12-07T16:14:21 < karlp> well done atmel.
2016-12-07T16:14:38 < karlp> why do I feel like SUFFER might be more in line with what you meant?
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2016-12-07T16:34:07 < BrainDamage> i'll probably never cease to be surprised to the amount of time and dedication people put into making shitposts
2016-12-07T16:36:40 < englishman> looks like pebble wont be shipping their new shit
2016-12-07T16:37:23 < englishman> at least fitbit still uses STM32
2016-12-07T16:37:54 < englishman> but only in a few products
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2016-12-07T17:30:11 < englishman> wut
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2016-12-07T18:27:26 < Laurenceb_> does anyone know of any cheap shitty PCB places that do panelisation?
2016-12-07T18:30:03 < gjm> Laurenceb_: PCBway.com
2016-12-07T18:32:18 < Laurenceb_> thanks
2016-12-07T18:32:43 < Laurenceb_> I just saw that dirtypcbs.com offers it, but you have to design all the break tab business :-S
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2016-12-07T18:33:16 < karlp> seeed let me panellise the same design multiple times, just as long as all vcuts were straight.
2016-12-07T18:33:34 < karlp> which is why I was playing with that gerbmerg shit recently.
2016-12-07T18:34:22 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-12-07T18:34:39 < Laurenceb_> heh gerbmerg can be rage inducting
2016-12-07T18:34:43 < Laurenceb_> *inducing
2016-12-07T18:35:04 < karlp> worked pretty well really, just had to fiddle a bit and be prepared to look in it's guts
2016-12-07T18:35:06 < Laurenceb_> lul pcbway interface looks like a clone of seeedstudio
2016-12-07T18:35:30 < Laurenceb_> price is lower
2016-12-07T18:35:35 < karlp> yeah, some other place I was looking at was all the same too
2016-12-07T18:35:41 < Laurenceb_> but do PCBway actually deliver?
2016-12-07T18:35:44 < karlp> pcbway wants files with different names than seeed does
2016-12-07T18:35:54 < karlp> someone here said they'd ordered pcbway earlier, no problems.
2016-12-07T18:35:57 < Laurenceb_> latest seeedstudio board were v high quality, looks like they have new kit
2016-12-07T18:35:58 < englishman> pcbway is fine
2016-12-07T18:36:16 < englishman> someone actually goes over your shit before paying
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2016-12-07T18:36:20 < Laurenceb_> anyone ordered pcbway and seeedstudio recently?
2016-12-07T18:36:21 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-12-07T18:36:26 < englishman> and there are people to complain to
2016-12-07T18:36:32 < karlp> Laurenceb_: I got some black mask boards just now, were the same price as green, and they're not as good as the green were from a week earlier.
2016-12-07T18:36:40 < englishman> also even you can become a pcbway webpartner
2016-12-07T18:36:54 < Laurenceb_> karlp: I've only ever ordered green recently
2016-12-07T18:37:11 < Laurenceb_> latest shipments have annihilated even pcbtrain for quality
2016-12-07T18:37:25 < Laurenceb_> way better than seeed from a few years ago
2016-12-07T18:38:08 < Laurenceb_> heh lets see what pcbshopper says
2016-12-07T18:38:11 < englishman> better drill registration than oshpark
2016-12-07T18:38:15 < englishman> pcbshopper is garbage
2016-12-07T18:38:27 < karlp> yeah, was nothing to complain about.  thoughtthey fucked up the silk, went back and looked at my gerbs, it was me, 
2016-12-07T18:38:27 < Laurenceb_> yeah no photos of quality
2016-12-07T18:38:34 < englishman> the yelp of chinapcb
2016-12-07T18:39:05 < karlp> I definitely feel the black mask is way worse than the greenmask was
2016-12-07T18:39:20 < Laurenceb_> lul eevblog has a review
2016-12-07T18:39:20 < karlp> it's like it got flecks in it, exposing the copper
2016-12-07T18:39:26 < Laurenceb_> preparing for full retard
2016-12-07T18:39:44 < Laurenceb_> karlp: you should see some of the boards I got from pcbtrain
2016-12-07T18:40:02 < Laurenceb_> figerprints and even what looked like half a crisp embedded in the boards
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2016-12-07T18:42:10 < karlp> hrm, you can have TTL serial wire-or'd together right? as long as they're not all speaking at once?
2016-12-07T18:42:22 < karlp> I could have sworn I'd done this before.
2016-12-07T18:42:41 < karlp> both stm32s rx properly, and one of them manages to tx.
2016-12-07T18:42:56 < karlp> I wonder if I need to do shit like disable transmitter and float tx pin
2016-12-07T18:45:25 < englishman> lol
2016-12-07T18:47:54 < englishman> karlp it's certainly easier if you don't have some low impedance source pulling the bus every which way, yeah
2016-12-07T18:49:51 < karlp> well, rx on the two stm32s should idle high, they both get driven by my master ok.  but tx from one stm seems to be a bit stronger than the tx holding high on the other one.
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2016-12-07T19:36:04 < karlp> heh, ok, that works, turning off the TE bit.
2016-12-07T19:36:19 < karlp> I get a glitch just before the transmits, but my host doesn't seem to mind.
2016-12-07T19:37:50 < karlp> and the glitch is gone. 
2016-12-07T19:38:05 < karlp> turn the AF back to uart _before_ switching the output mode of the pin plthnkx
2016-12-07T19:40:33 < karlp> or, don't even switch AF, just change pin modes. even easier
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2016-12-07T20:02:17 < aandrew> black soldermask sucks if you gotta work on the boards
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2016-12-07T20:53:24 < emeb> http://leftoversalad.com/c/015_programmingpeople/
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2016-12-07T20:59:25 < qyx> . ]
2016-12-07T21:02:53 < Steffanx> Kinda how I imagine you emeb ;)
2016-12-07T21:03:40 < emeb> Steffanx: which?
2016-12-07T21:03:49 < Steffanx> C ofcourse.
2016-12-07T21:04:11 < emeb> Steffanx: skinnier, taller and more hair. otherwise accurate.
2016-12-07T21:05:00 < BrainDamage> more hair on the beard or on the skull?
2016-12-07T21:05:24 < emeb> no beard, more skullhair
2016-12-07T21:06:48 < Steffanx> but grey?
2016-12-07T21:07:03 < Steffanx> *and grey
2016-12-07T21:08:37 < emeb> I started going gray when I was in my 20s. Distinguished!
2016-12-07T21:09:17 < Steffanx> awh
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2016-12-07T21:23:18 < aandrew> emeb: me too
2016-12-07T21:23:38 < aandrew> I always looked older than I am, but it was advantageous because nobody wants to take a kid seriously
2016-12-07T21:23:49 < aandrew> now that I'm 40 it's not all that awesome anymore
2016-12-07T21:23:59 < aandrew> and btw, lol @ "skullhair"
2016-12-07T21:24:12 < kakimir> hello lunatics
2016-12-07T21:31:08  * Laurenceb_ has a problem...
2016-12-07T21:31:11 < Laurenceb_> http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/Crocus_07152016_CT512.pdf
2016-12-07T21:31:29 < Laurenceb_> this is too thick, I have 0.5 to 0.6mm of clearance
2016-12-07T21:31:55 < Laurenceb_> looking at page7, does it look like the sensor die is mounted upside down?
2016-12-07T21:32:10  * Laurenceb_ is wondering if he could sand the top off
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2016-12-07T21:35:42 < Laurenceb_> reverse die mounting in sot-23 is a thing right?
2016-12-07T21:35:43 < Laurenceb_> http://www.mtarr.co.uk/courses/ami4982_lfi/restricted/u08/images/voiding-in-joints.jpg
2016-12-07T21:37:04 < qyx> what are you innovating
2016-12-07T21:37:57 < Laurenceb_> rockoon tracker
2016-12-07T21:38:03 < Laurenceb_> space is kind of tight
2016-12-07T21:38:25 < Laurenceb_> I need to glue a lipo cell ontop of the PCB, so need 0.6mm components across the top
2016-12-07T21:39:00 < Laurenceb_> this CT512 is pretty hawt but its a lame package
2016-12-07T21:41:33 < aandrew> it's a hall effect switch
2016-12-07T21:41:35 < aandrew> what's magical about it
2016-12-07T21:42:35 < Laurenceb_> crazy low Iq
2016-12-07T21:42:48 < Laurenceb_> 350nA
2016-12-07T21:43:02 < qyx> is the rockoon going to live more than few minutes?
2016-12-07T21:43:09 < Laurenceb_> nope
2016-12-07T21:43:22 < aandrew> what's a rockoon
2016-12-07T21:43:25 < Laurenceb_> but this will allow it be sitting around for a few years
2016-12-07T21:43:31 < Laurenceb_> balloon launched rocket
2016-12-07T21:43:35 < qyx> aha
2016-12-07T21:43:46 < Laurenceb_> the pcb and lipo cell are permanently potted
2016-12-07T21:43:55 < Laurenceb_> once its assembled its done
2016-12-07T21:44:18 < qyx> charge it in a microwave oven then
2016-12-07T21:44:44 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-12-07T21:45:08 < Laurenceb_> looking at sot-23 x-ray, looks like I could take 0.2mm off the bottom and 0.4mm off the top
2016-12-07T21:45:12 < Laurenceb_> sounds sane?
2016-12-07T21:45:38 < Laurenceb_> are there different sot-23 packages for die mounted from the top or the bottom?
2016-12-07T21:45:46 < aandrew> 0.4mm is a tiny amount of space, it's crazy that you're designing something so tight
2016-12-07T21:45:49 < aandrew> very cool
2016-12-07T21:45:51 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-12-07T21:46:04 < Laurenceb_> the rocket is only 17mm diameter
2016-12-07T21:46:31 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrM9JmKwpHs music times
2016-12-07T21:46:53 < aandrew> got pics?
2016-12-07T21:47:20 < qyx> Laurenceb_: what batetry are you using?
2016-12-07T21:49:49 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: only CAD atm
2016-12-07T21:49:55 < Laurenceb_> full river 10mAh
2016-12-07T21:50:57 < qyx> 14mm x 9mm x 2.0mm
2016-12-07T21:51:00 < qyx> much fun
2016-12-07T21:51:29 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/z7Ip3r.png
2016-12-07T21:51:40 < Laurenceb_> made using SLS
2016-12-07T21:52:18 < Laurenceb_> the nosecone screws on, 5x15mm pcb slots into the nose "cap" (part on the left)
2016-12-07T21:53:25 < qyx> and the nosecone with the pcb is filled with epoxy or whatever?
2016-12-07T21:54:27 < Laurenceb_> pcb is epoxied
2016-12-07T21:54:38 < Laurenceb_> nosecone is glued on (maybe)
2016-12-07T21:55:39 < Laurenceb_> fits onto one of thses
2016-12-07T21:55:41 < Laurenceb_> http://www.modelrockets.co.uk/shop/images/Klima%20Aluhuelse-fuer-18-mm-Motoren-8060_b_0x220.JPG
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2016-12-07T22:07:45 < Laurenceb_> sims give 117km apogee, that would be an amateur rocketry world record :P
2016-12-07T22:13:47 < Laurenceb_> I thought of a nasty way to change the thickness
2016-12-07T22:14:11 < Laurenceb_> squash the case with a hot soldering iron
2016-12-07T22:14:29 < Laurenceb_> would hopefully avoid destroying the wirebonding
2016-12-07T22:14:46 < Steffanx> Atm your rockoon is just as real as emdrive. :P
2016-12-07T22:15:20 < Laurenceb_> well it works in theory
2016-12-07T22:15:23 < Laurenceb_> unlike emdrive
2016-12-07T22:15:43 < Steffanx> Didn't that work too? In (incorrect) theory?
2016-12-07T22:16:01 < BrainDamage> it works if you assume pigs fly
2016-12-07T22:16:14 < BrainDamage> it's in open contrast of some of the most tested physical laws we know of
2016-12-07T22:16:24 < Steffanx> Maybe they once will, when evolution gives them wings.
2016-12-07T22:17:15 < BrainDamage> instead of doing dumb shit with an iron, melt the packages or sandpaper hem
2016-12-07T22:20:32 < Steffanx> Im not sure what the plan is, but can't you mount in upside down "in" the pcb?
2016-12-07T22:21:22 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: I could but there is stuff on the other side of the pcb
2016-12-07T22:21:55 < Steffanx> Make sure there is nothing there? :P
2016-12-07T22:21:57 < Laurenceb_> well I'll have some samples tomorrow so I'll attack them with a file as a first attempt
2016-12-07T22:23:08 < Laurenceb_> https://sli.mg/ph86zS
2016-12-07T22:23:16 < Laurenceb_> https://sli.mg/eB7z8K
2016-12-07T22:23:25 < Laurenceb_> v simple but space is tight
2016-12-07T22:28:11 < Laurenceb_> its just a 868mhz beacon
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2016-12-07T22:30:30 < Steffanx> Yeah, i see a challenge there :)
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2016-12-07T22:40:11 < Laurenceb_> damn no more pebble
2016-12-07T22:40:44 < Laurenceb_> need an opesource pebble clone
2016-12-07T22:44:15 < karlp> why, for teh millions and millions and millions clamouring after smart watches?
2016-12-07T22:45:39 < Laurenceb_> cuz it was a nice well implemented yet low level dev platform
2016-12-07T22:45:49 < Laurenceb_> also the bluetooth was handled very well
2016-12-07T22:46:03 < Laurenceb_> they managed to avoid it turning into a horrible mess
2016-12-07T22:46:08 < aandrew> it wasn't all that awesome, I wrote the very first bios for it
2016-12-07T22:46:09 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ had a pebble?
2016-12-07T22:46:11 < aandrew> back when it was allerta
2016-12-07T22:46:19 < Steffanx> *has a
2016-12-07T22:46:28 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: nice
2016-12-07T22:46:35 < aandrew> they made some decent advances in it but the dude was crazy. turned down a 3/4 billion offer from Citizen
2016-12-07T22:46:43 < aandrew> then turned down an 80mil offer from intel
2016-12-07T22:46:47 < aandrew> fuck him
2016-12-07T22:46:52 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-12-07T22:47:06 < Steffanx> aandrew worked for them? Freelance or hobby bobby?
2016-12-07T22:47:12 < aandrew> freelance
2016-12-07T22:47:17 < aandrew> they fucked me out of about $30k
2016-12-07T22:48:00 < Laurenceb_>  O_o
2016-12-07T22:48:23 < aandrew> I was stupid and accepted an offer to bank my hours until they made some money
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2016-12-07T22:48:30 < karlp> Laurenceb_: what's Q1?
2016-12-07T22:49:01 < aandrew> they came back from Y Combinator and decided to value their company (which had sold nothing) at 10mil and thus my banked hours were now worth much much less
2016-12-07T22:49:16 < aandrew> too large for a small claims suit, far too small for a corporate suit
2016-12-07T22:49:18 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: I only read their dev tutorial, maybe U drank the cool aid
2016-12-07T22:49:21 < aandrew> we ended up settling for about half
2016-12-07T22:49:27 < aandrew> no, this was WELL before any of that 
2016-12-07T22:49:44 < Laurenceb_> karlp: 13.56mhz xtal
2016-12-07T22:49:50 < Laurenceb_> *s/U/I
2016-12-07T22:49:53 < Laurenceb_> sorry
2016-12-07T22:50:02 < Laurenceb_> when I thought it looked well implimented
2016-12-07T22:51:06 < Laurenceb_> karlp: TDA7116F has weird xtal drive using only a single cap
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2016-12-07T23:00:11 < fest> anyone know if pebble's improvements to qemu made it upstream? (https://github.com/pebble/qemu)
2016-12-07T23:00:45 < fest> they added support for stm32f2xx and some peripherals (i2c? spi?)
2016-12-07T23:03:07 < aandrew> they qemu an MCU? interesting
2016-12-07T23:03:23 < karlp> aandrew: qemu does cm3 too.
2016-12-07T23:03:50 < karlp> zyp and a few people in locm3 hav edone it running test code on stellaris platform
2016-12-07T23:03:58 < karlp> not much in the way of periphs though
2016-12-07T23:04:32 < aandrew> interesting
2016-12-07T23:04:38 < zyp> yeah, I haven't messed with it for years, but upstream qemu had lm3s support
2016-12-07T23:04:42 < aandrew> most of the trouble comes from periphs, not sure how relevant emulating the core is
2016-12-07T23:04:54 < zyp> depends what you're doing
2016-12-07T23:05:04 < zyp> I were messing around with thread scheduling code
2016-12-07T23:05:24 < zyp> didn't use any vendor periphs at all
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2016-12-07T23:48:43 < englishman>  <Laurenceb_> sims give 117km apogee, that would be an amateur rocketry world record :P
2016-12-07T23:48:45 < englishman> no way dude
2016-12-07T23:48:50 < englishman> spacex goes higher than that
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2016-12-07T23:50:54 < englishman> aandrew: lol cool story
2016-12-07T23:51:00 < englishman> though apparently they havent made any money
2016-12-07T23:51:13 < englishman> story goes, their debts are much more than fitbit paid for them
2016-12-07T23:51:18 < englishman> so they still don't have to pay you yet.
2016-12-07T23:51:46 < Laurenceb_> englishman: _amateur_
2016-12-07T23:51:54 < englishman> did you misread what i typed?
2016-12-07T23:52:37 < Laurenceb_> so who cares about spacex, they have megabux
2016-12-07T23:52:46 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying to make something that costs like $1
2016-12-07T23:53:03 < englishman> i bet you have a more successful mission rate by %
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2016-12-07T23:56:21 < aandrew> I built a tiny little nrf51822 based rocket logger
2016-12-07T23:56:43 < aandrew> has mag/gyro/altimiter, was just for goofing around with the kids
2016-12-07T23:56:49 < Laurenceb_> nice
2016-12-07T23:56:59 < aandrew> RTF rockets and such, thought it might be interesting to graph how the rocket launched
2016-12-07T23:57:07 < aandrew> the idea was to then use the bLE beacon func to find it after
2016-12-07T23:57:19 < aandrew> no good for more "pro" rockets because 2.4g is useless for real tracking
2016-12-07T23:57:23 < Laurenceb_> I've been testing long baseline interferometry
2016-12-07T23:57:24 < aandrew> but might be fun to play with
2016-12-07T23:57:44 < Laurenceb_> for tracking CW beacons
2016-12-07T23:57:50 < aandrew> http://mixdown.ca/dump/rocketlogger.jpg
2016-12-07T23:58:32 < aandrew> http://mixdown.ca/dump/blerocket.jpg is stuffed
2016-12-07T23:58:45 < Laurenceb_> nice antenna
2016-12-07T23:59:04 < aandrew> heh just cheapshit PCB design from some TI appnote
2016-12-07T23:59:10 < aandrew> I ought to work on that software again
2016-12-07T23:59:23 < aandrew> the hw needs a rev, I put nice white LEDs on there but then no Vf to light them, duh
2016-12-07T23:59:34 < aandrew> gotta put a little boost reg there, also for the beeper
2016-12-07T23:59:48  * Laurenceb_ is planning helix antenna using AWG32 wire siliconed to the rocket motor
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2016-12-08T00:00:07 < karlp> bah, using strlen to determine whether it's safe to use strcpy.  well done: https://github.com/esp8266/Arduino/commit/e82b74eab2f04a065ac97b678669bb81a2cdd79f
2016-12-08T00:00:09 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/51cp2p.png
2016-12-08T00:00:18 < aandrew> karlp: haha
2016-12-08T00:02:51 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: nice, what's that in?
2016-12-08T00:03:33 < Laurenceb_> 4NEC2
2016-12-08T00:04:47 < upgrdman> any of the STM32's have a 16bit ADC?
2016-12-08T00:04:49 < upgrdman> or just 12bit
2016-12-08T00:05:15 < Laurenceb_> lots of 16bit now
2016-12-08T00:05:21 < Laurenceb_> e.g. F3 for starters
2016-12-08T00:05:27 < upgrdman> any f4 or f0?
2016-12-08T00:05:34 < Laurenceb_> dont think so
2016-12-08T00:05:39 < upgrdman> fuuuuk
2016-12-08T00:05:40 < upgrdman> ok
2016-12-08T00:05:44 < Laurenceb_> but imo 12bit is nicer
2016-12-08T00:05:51 < upgrdman> not enough for my app
2016-12-08T00:05:53 < Laurenceb_> you can oversample to get ~16bit
2016-12-08T00:05:54 < aandrew> I think I want to redo it with a STM32 and a Onsemi Ax5043 radio
2016-12-08T00:05:58 < aandrew> do 433MHz with it
2016-12-08T00:06:04 < upgrdman> i need 16bit at 1MSPS
2016-12-08T00:06:09 < Laurenceb_> ouch
2016-12-08T00:06:15 < upgrdman> guess i'll buy some anal devices chip
2016-12-08T00:07:03 < karlp> pulled open an old analog expsnaion 4-20mA device today,
2016-12-08T00:07:13 < karlp> had a socketed AD 10bit 4 channel dac.
2016-12-08T00:07:24 < karlp> still available for $18 on digikey :)
2016-12-08T00:07:30 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-12-08T00:07:51 < BrainDamage> you need a factor of 256 in samling ratio to make up for extra 4 bit of resolution using uniform sampling
2016-12-08T00:07:57 < BrainDamage> not exactly awesome
2016-12-08T00:08:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah but good enough for some applications
2016-12-08T00:08:27 < upgrdman> ya i just just but an adc asic
2016-12-08T00:08:42 < upgrdman> just wants to be a lazy fuck and use an f4 or f0 that i already have a fuckton of code for
2016-12-08T00:08:52 < upgrdman> are f3 periphs much different?
2016-12-08T00:08:57 < karlp> some,
2016-12-08T00:08:59 < upgrdman> timer/spi/i2c/etc
2016-12-08T00:09:00 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-08T00:09:04 < karlp> there's two f3s for starters.
2016-12-08T00:09:18 < karlp> f37x and the f30x and then also f33x
2016-12-08T00:09:35 < karlp> they're _mostly_ "periph generation v2"
2016-12-08T00:09:46 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: 434 you say? https://i.sli.mg/W6Ox9H.png
2016-12-08T00:10:15 < aandrew> have to learn how to use that sw
2016-12-08T00:10:19 < upgrdman> v2 == newest gen?
2016-12-08T00:12:31 < karlp> heh, just realised my leds go 1,2,3,4,5,7,6.
2016-12-08T00:12:33 < karlp> well done karl.
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2016-12-08T00:30:36 < englishman> implying anywhere in california is 'livable'
2016-12-08T00:33:31 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzGsAuxUcAAfk_X.jpg:large
2016-12-08T00:33:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: the launchbar thing is installed, tried to find out what was making it not visible, failed
2016-12-08T00:34:17 < ohsix> i stopped when i was back in the gogo shell and i couldn't remember how to list bundle states
2016-12-08T00:34:35 < upgrdman> bummer
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2016-12-08T00:35:03 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: remind me what you got grant money for, or proof of concept money, it was a wireless horse thing
2016-12-08T00:35:09 < ohsix> i forgot durign my absence
2016-12-08T00:35:25 < ohsix> i remembered the ti adc though olol, was showing it to horseperson yesterday
2016-12-08T00:35:56 < ohsix> upgrdman: eclipse is nutty
2016-12-08T00:36:33 < upgrdman> yes
2016-12-08T00:36:43 < mitrax> zyp: in host mode when the connected device is stalled, is the host really supposed to clear the stall condition? i'm confused as to which side is responsible for clearing the condition, ST's lib has some code to clear it on an endpoint but only for peripheral mode (i.e not host), or did you mean clearing the interrupt that signals the stall condition to the host (which is done)
2016-12-08T00:37:21 < ohsix> launchbar has nothing short of 5 main classes, and i have no idea which will be relevant or how to check load stuff from the plugin developer view
2016-12-08T00:37:30 < ohsix> there's bound to be a view that says you're missing dependencies somewhere
2016-12-08T00:37:44 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul i had to install marketplace
2016-12-08T00:37:53 < ohsix> that just comes by default with installer junk
2016-12-08T00:38:14 < mitrax> Laurenceb: how's the horse thing going?
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2016-12-08T00:38:37 < mitrax> Laurenceb_: how's the horse thing going?
2016-12-08T00:38:47 < ohsix> launchbar core, remote.core, remote.ui, ui, ui.controls
2016-12-08T00:39:01 < Laurenceb_> mitrax: no horse work going no atm
2016-12-08T00:39:07 < Laurenceb_> maybe I'll get a new contract :P
2016-12-08T00:39:28 < mitrax> Laurenceb_: the thing has been put on hold?
2016-12-08T00:39:37 < Laurenceb_> mitrax: not really
2016-12-08T00:39:47 < Laurenceb_> I was working freelance, working on something else atm
2016-12-08T00:39:51 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: 14:33 < ohsix> upgrdman: the launchbar thing is installed, tried to find out what was making it not visible, failed
2016-12-08T00:39:53 < mitrax> okay
2016-12-08T00:40:13 < Laurenceb_> need to see if horsey people are interested
2016-12-08T00:40:17 < ohsix> er huhuhu you timed out after i tab completed your nick 14:35 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: remind me what you got grant money for, or proof of concept money, it was a wireless horse thing
2016-12-08T00:40:36 < ohsix> horseperson showed me the patent and some stuff
2016-12-08T00:40:47 < Laurenceb_> yes wireless horse ECG/GPS/IMU
2016-12-08T00:41:02 < Laurenceb_> a patent for what?
2016-12-08T00:41:18 < ohsix> some stuff, tbh it was a little silly
2016-12-08T00:41:40 < ohsix> she'd just talked about it a lot and i never asked what it actually was
2016-12-08T00:42:36 < zyp> mitrax, I don't remember the specifics, I suggest you read the MMC BOT class spec
2016-12-08T00:43:15 < zyp> or MMC BBB or whatever the abbreviation was
2016-12-08T00:43:52 < mitrax> BOT class yeah, i did, but the device stalls before messing with MMC, when retrieving a desc string
2016-12-08T00:44:42 < zyp> that's still after a failed MMC command, right?
2016-12-08T00:45:01 < zyp> so that's probably the device not fully resetting after a reset
2016-12-08T00:45:17 < zyp> idk
2016-12-08T00:45:47 < ohsix> upgrdman: hm all the weird null pointer exceptiosn i'd been getting seem to be related, i can start the launch bar config command thing from quick launch and it throws a null pointer exception
2016-12-08T00:46:16 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: the gist of it is some 'smart' fabric nonsense
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2016-12-08T00:46:21 < ohsix> ffff
2016-12-08T00:47:06 < zyp> mitrax, how are you diagnosing? do you have a proper protocol analyzer sitting on the bus between the devices?
2016-12-08T00:47:23 < ohsix> upgrdman: messaeg ok? don't anticipate actually solving this, but ti could go on
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2016-12-08T00:49:02 < mitrax> zyp: at the moment i'm just stepping through the code, ST's lib does a reset / get first 8 bytes of the dev desc  / get the full device desc, i.e 18 bytes / set the address  / get cfg desc / get full cfg desc <= all this work until it tries to retrieve the manufacturer descriptor string 
2016-12-08T00:50:00 < zyp> yeah?
2016-12-08T00:50:44 < zyp> so iManufacturer is nonzero, but getting the string descriptor fails?
2016-12-08T00:51:03 < upgrdman> ohsix, sorry was afk, ya msg is fine
2016-12-08T00:51:36 < mitrax> zyp: yeah iManufactuer is 1 and getting the string desc fails,  if i skip that part the enumeration works and i can set the configuration and switch to MMC mode, i can read a few sectors successfully, and then it stalls again
2016-12-08T00:52:06 < zyp> weird
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2016-12-08T00:55:32 < mitrax> yeah i don't get it
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2016-12-08T00:57:59 < Laurenceb_> wtf my internets died
2016-12-08T00:58:28 < Laurenceb_> rats in the cabinet again
2016-12-08T00:59:29 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: I tried conductive fabric on horses and it was awful
2016-12-08T00:59:41 < Laurenceb_> it rubs against the skin and there is tons of static
2016-12-08T01:00:07 < Laurenceb_> adhesive veterinary gel electrodes for furry animals were much better
2016-12-08T01:00:20 < Laurenceb_> virtually zero static but theres still muscle noise
2016-12-08T01:02:07 < Laurenceb_> muscle noise can be cancelled out quite well using PCA off the multiple electrodes followed by adaptive noise cancelling using bandpass filtered accelerometer data
2016-12-08T01:02:52 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: ya a lot of stuff was mentioned that needed an actual test for basic feasibility
2016-12-08T01:02:58 < Laurenceb_> but tbh I dont get how simple devices like the polar strap work
2016-12-08T01:03:15 < Laurenceb_> I see muscle noise thats at least 15dB above the heart signal
2016-12-08T01:03:42 < ohsix> yea you need to model the shape of the heart signal
2016-12-08T01:03:49 < ohsix> some of the ecg junk i posted before talks about it
2016-12-08T01:04:07 < ohsix> there will be noise sources but they'll be uncorrelated with the data you want
2016-12-08T01:04:20 < ohsix> that's also why they have a bunch of electrodes
2016-12-08T01:04:24 < Laurenceb_> yeah been there done that
2016-12-08T01:04:36 < ohsix> they will be in distinct muscle groups that don't always have the same noise at the same time
2016-12-08T01:04:48 < Laurenceb_> when the horse is galloping at the heartrate it all breaks horribly
2016-12-08T01:05:11 < Laurenceb_> also the ECG is basically just a series of spikes, so shape modelling doesnt help
2016-12-08T01:05:32 < ohsix> i don't know shit about horses or whatever, but i kept wondering why they don't just inject something into an artery to get that information via rf or something
2016-12-08T01:05:37 < ohsix> or into the muscle
2016-12-08T01:05:41 < Laurenceb_> yeah PCA works off the physical positioning of the muscle groups
2016-12-08T01:05:52 < Laurenceb_> and that gives about 7dB SNR gain or so
2016-12-08T01:06:02 < Laurenceb_> then adaptive noise cancelling also helps 
2016-12-08T01:06:13 < ohsix> is there a polar strap tha works on horses or did you mean in general
2016-12-08T01:06:36 < Laurenceb_> polar sell an equine strap with two conductive fabric pads
2016-12-08T01:07:12 < ohsix> those things are just for heart rate though, they're not for diagnostics, not for detecting arrythmia or whatever
2016-12-08T01:07:18 < Laurenceb_> from my results it would give a clean signal when the horse is stationary but the muscle noise would be >20dB above the heartrate during exercise
2016-12-08T01:07:30 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats what I'm aiming for
2016-12-08T01:07:49 < ohsix> it's a much simpler problem to get the heart r8
2016-12-08T01:08:28 < ohsix> did you try and identify which muscles were generating the noise? could you put the sensor in a different place based on muscle arrangement?
2016-12-08T01:09:21 < ohsix> i guess i just need to get an ecg and try some shit
2016-12-08T01:09:36 < Laurenceb_> tbh I was working closely with a group of vets
2016-12-08T01:09:46 < Laurenceb_> and they insist on standard electrode positions
2016-12-08T01:10:06 < ohsix> based on their training or the biology of the animal
2016-12-08T01:10:26 < Laurenceb_> heart r8: yeah I can only guess that the polar strap switches to some really long averaging time during motion, like >20s
2016-12-08T01:10:31 < Laurenceb_> based on their training :P
2016-12-08T01:10:34 < ohsix> cuz you're doing something research-y for your purposes you'd probably need to do some work
2016-12-08T01:10:43 < Laurenceb_> but it also makes the data easier to interpret
2016-12-08T01:10:51 < Laurenceb_> at least before its gone through PCA :D
2016-12-08T01:11:20 < ohsix> i see pictures of equine ecg shit with sensor positions all over the place
2016-12-08T01:11:44 < ohsix> dont' know enough about gross anatomy of a horse to say wut
2016-12-08T01:11:47 < Laurenceb_> heh they are doing it wrong
2016-12-08T01:12:16 < Laurenceb_> I don't claim to follow it properly but the positioning is standardised
2016-12-08T01:12:27 < ohsix> washington state university has a bunch of stuff online about vet med
2016-12-08T01:12:42 < ohsix> sure, that's for a stationary diagnostic ecg thing
2016-12-08T01:12:45 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: well you could clip a pulse oximeter to the ear I guess
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2016-12-08T01:14:01 < Laurenceb_> pulse oximeters also suffer from huge motion artefacts
2016-12-08T01:14:16 < Laurenceb_> also vets want to check ECG waveform to look for heart defects
2016-12-08T01:14:30 < stvn> kuk
2016-12-08T01:14:32 < Laurenceb_> there is little useful heart defect info in a pulse ox signal
2016-12-08T01:14:36 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-08T01:14:56 < ohsix> i'm beginning to think this stuff doesn't already exist and isn't widely used due to the potential money lost in breeding schemes
2016-12-08T01:15:30 < englishman> hola stvn
2016-12-08T01:16:17 < Laurenceb_> attn stvn   https://media.8ch.net/file_store/5b9cb792841cf74ebf5b0b8238432a0e293f7d3d8c8c95f7e16fcd8717bf424e.png
2016-12-08T01:16:22 < ohsix> http://www.esmp.be/en/specialised-examinations/electrocardiogram/
2016-12-08T01:16:34 < ohsix> heheh 'telemetric transmission'
2016-12-08T01:16:55 < englishman> where's the UK version of this
2016-12-08T01:16:59 < stvn> is that usa Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-08T01:17:02 < stvn> welcome englishman 
2016-12-08T01:17:19 < stvn> lul
2016-12-08T01:17:31 < stvn> same thing right?
2016-12-08T01:17:35 < englishman> I like the lil red dot of detroit
2016-12-08T01:21:14 < stvn> :3
2016-12-08T01:21:34 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: hp says people just use alligator clips lul
2016-12-08T01:23:49 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: showed her picture of that horse with the 24h ecg on it and she said it is probably secondary supply, used equipment for humans
2016-12-08T01:23:52 < Laurenceb_> for ECG? O_o 
2016-12-08T01:24:32 < Laurenceb_> heh that electrode setup looks similar to mine
2016-12-08T01:24:39 < Laurenceb_> only its obviously staged
2016-12-08T01:24:46 < ohsix> sure
2016-12-08T01:24:56 < Laurenceb_> the cable masses would cause the electrodes to fall off
2016-12-08T01:24:58 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: you shold get one of these 'holter' monitors and reverse engineer it a bit
2016-12-08T01:25:07 < Laurenceb_> you have to use tape on the cables
2016-12-08T01:26:11 < stvn> horses
2016-12-08T01:26:42 < Laurenceb_> I use a nasty plastic box
2016-12-08T01:26:44 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/Hardware.jpg
2016-12-08T01:27:07 < Laurenceb_> for the enclosure
2016-12-08T01:27:17 < stvn> hardware mate
2016-12-08T01:36:18 < sync> well LeelooMinai there are cows and the like with plugs in their stomachs, so why not
2016-12-08T01:39:52 < ohsix> windows even
2016-12-08T01:39:54 < ohsix> cow windows
2016-12-08T01:40:02 < ohsix> reach on in and get some acidic grass
2016-12-08T01:42:42 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~grier/Comparison-handheld-ECG-EKG.html
2016-12-08T01:43:08 < ohsix> i think hg is asking me to dinner at an italian place
2016-12-08T01:43:32 < upgrdman> anyone know of a plugin or something for eclipse cdt so it will recommend enum values when calling a function that takes enums.
2016-12-08T01:43:45 < upgrdman> e.g. a drop down list like you might get with ctrl-space
2016-12-08T01:48:10 < BrainDamage> http://spaceflightnow.com/2016/12/06/d376_journal/ T-6
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2016-12-08T01:53:10 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/miffs03gw52y.png
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2016-12-08T01:59:58 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/25rk68ntl62y.jpg
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2016-12-08T02:01:48 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2016-12-08T02:01:48 < Laurenceb_> why internets dying
2016-12-08T02:03:04 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: you have no access to a horse anymore rite
2016-12-08T02:04:04 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: talkign with hg, and i asked about raw ecg data
2016-12-08T02:04:10 < ohsix> it should be usable at the electrode
2016-12-08T02:04:22 < ohsix> it will look bad and wander, but if it isn't basically legible you have a big problem somewhere else
2016-12-08T02:04:25 < ohsix> like grounding
2016-12-08T02:04:29 < ohsix> and they do just use clips
2016-12-08T02:05:26 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-12-08T02:05:35 < ohsix> http://img2.everychina.com/img/b4/b2/5b1afef21c7aa0e1851a63fa5425-300x300c0-39cc/animal_clip_stainless_steel_electrotherapy_electrodes_approved_cfda_ecg_alligator_clips.jpg like this
2016-12-08T02:05:37 < Laurenceb_> my signal looks v good when the horse is stationary
2016-12-08T02:05:45 < ohsix> or like this https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1kPD5KVXXXXarXFXXq6xXFXXXW/Nickel-plated-font-b-Veterinary-b-font-Animal-font-b-ECG-b-font-EKG-Alligator-Clip.jpg
2016-12-08T02:06:00 < ohsix> do you has samples? like, does the ground just not stay well connected enough?
2016-12-08T02:08:06 < ohsix> takling about running now
2016-12-08T02:08:13 < ohsix> sez it is skin conduction and stuff not muscles
2016-12-08T02:08:14 < ohsix> bbiab
2016-12-08T02:09:38 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: it's not from 'muscle noise', it's from skin moving your sample point around
2016-12-08T02:10:10 < Laurenceb_> http://www.filedropper.com/processing2
2016-12-08T02:10:15 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-12-08T02:10:29 < Laurenceb_> I'm certain its not grounding issues
2016-12-08T02:10:39 < Laurenceb_> but yes it could be some weird skin effect
2016-12-08T02:11:03 < Laurenceb_> dunno if that link will work
2016-12-08T02:15:28 < jadew> upgrdman, nice exception message
2016-12-08T02:18:12  * jadew needs a little break
2016-12-08T02:19:34 < jadew> been working for 11 hours straight and all I have to show for is what I already had yesterday, except that now it's working properly
2016-12-08T02:20:20 < jadew> and it's not much, I don't think the entire day resulted in more than 100 lines of code
2016-12-08T02:21:19 < karlp> I spent all night hoping to work on led patterns, ended up just turning off a dns server... 
2016-12-08T02:21:28 < karlp> and I'm pretty much out of time, and have done _nothing_ on leds.
2016-12-08T02:21:29 < jadew> lol
2016-12-08T02:21:56 < karlp> no idea what's worng with it, but I don't need captive portal shits,.... so turn if off.  no more crashes.
2016-12-08T02:22:31 < karlp> Laurenceb_: what on earth was on filedropper? that site is gross
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2016-12-08T02:24:51 < jadew> who's up for some worms?
2016-12-08T02:26:41 < Laurenceb_> karlp: lul filebin.ca is down
2016-12-08T02:26:54 < Laurenceb_> I havent seen any pronz yet
2016-12-08T02:29:23 < stvn> alright
2016-12-08T02:29:24 < stvn> grub.
2016-12-08T02:31:33 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NdKotvXyds
2016-12-08T02:36:25 < stvn> true to god
2016-12-08T02:39:35 < Laurenceb_> oh my god
2016-12-08T02:39:39 < Laurenceb_> thats truly epic
2016-12-08T02:41:34 < Laurenceb_> an Australian Hero
2016-12-08T02:41:55 < stvn> lul
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2016-12-08T02:44:24 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4379327/
2016-12-08T02:46:05 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2016-12-08T02:46:34 < Laurenceb_> the results during gallop look much better than mine
2016-12-08T02:48:08 < stvn> rigged mate
2016-12-08T02:48:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'm doubtful
2016-12-08T02:48:45 < Laurenceb_> looks like muscle artefacts in some channels
2016-12-08T02:48:49 < stvn> whys the weather so shit this morning
2016-12-08T02:48:53 < Laurenceb_> maybe electrode placement is critical
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2016-12-08T02:51:54 < stvn> ask the horse
2016-12-08T02:54:26 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/jNXjB0M.jpg
2016-12-08T02:55:34 < Laurenceb_> what the huck
2016-12-08T02:58:12 < Laurenceb_> typical murican activity
2016-12-08T02:58:17 < Laurenceb_> https://sli.mg/a/mdv0hG  (NSFL)
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2016-12-08T03:04:04 < stvn> hmmm
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2016-12-08T03:05:54 < stvn> Laurenceb_, no idea what i'm looking at there lol
2016-12-08T03:06:17 < Laurenceb_> celebrities doing weird shit apparently
2016-12-08T03:06:29 < stvn> ah right
2016-12-08T03:06:29 < Laurenceb_> I dont follow celebrity culture so dont know who they are
2016-12-08T03:06:33 < stvn> same
2016-12-08T03:06:41 < stvn> the whole lot of them are fucking shit for brains
2016-12-08T03:07:52 < stvn> especially those kardashian cum dumpsters for famous dindus
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2016-12-08T03:10:15 < jadew> lmfao
2016-12-08T03:10:19 < jadew> wtf is that Laurenceb?
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2016-12-08T03:11:14 < jadew> they have naked chicks made out of cake?
2016-12-08T03:12:45 < Laurenceb_>  "art" or weird freaky shit depending on point of view
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2016-12-08T03:18:01 < Rob235> no, they have cake made out of naked chicks
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2016-12-08T03:19:21 < stvn> population paste
2016-12-08T03:19:21 < upgrdman> anyone here an eclipse pro?
2016-12-08T03:19:27 < upgrdman> ##eclipse is dead as shit
2016-12-08T03:19:48 < Rob235> soylent green
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2016-12-08T03:21:13 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwjmdnABacE
2016-12-08T03:21:19 < Laurenceb_> a chick with some cake
2016-12-08T03:21:33 < stvn> upgrdman, i can try to wake them
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2016-12-08T03:22:33 < upgrdman> stvn, lol, well done, bro
2016-12-08T03:22:43 < stvn> ty
2016-12-08T03:26:41 < ReadErr> http://i.imgur.com/yK7kOgM.png
2016-12-08T03:26:51 < ReadErr> suprise boost
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2016-12-08T03:29:20 < stvn> thats about 100 times the speed of the australian internet
2016-12-08T03:29:24 < upgrdman> i'd be so happy if my home net connection had decent upload speed
2016-12-08T03:29:32 < upgrdman> 4Mbps is it. because fuck me.
2016-12-08T03:29:50 < stvn> loling at australian nbn 'packages' with like 5mbit upload w00t w00t
2016-12-08T03:29:57 < stvn> gues its better than .1mbit
2016-12-08T03:30:12 < upgrdman> ya i get 60down 4up for $60/month. feels like im getting ass raped.
2016-12-08T03:32:44 < upgrdman> if i add tv service for another $30/month i could be rewarded with 100down 4up
2016-12-08T03:33:04 < upgrdman> but wtf do i was 1080 tv shit when i have glorious 4k monitors
2016-12-08T03:34:01 < stvn> yes upgrdman i agrees
2016-12-08T03:34:06 < stvn> i want at least 20up
2016-12-08T03:34:13 < stvn> i'd be happy with 60down 20up
2016-12-08T03:34:30 < stvn> i could upload all my irc stm32 shit talking vids right?
2016-12-08T03:34:48 < stvn> i want to pet the kitty
2016-12-08T03:35:24 < upgrdman> yes
2016-12-08T03:35:36 < upgrdman> scanlime does vlog with a kitty cam
2016-12-08T03:35:42 < stvn> ofcourse
2016-12-08T03:35:47 < stvn> are you in the usa upgrdman 
2016-12-08T03:35:59 < upgrdman> kinda neat seeing a sleeping cat on a live stream of electronics reverse engineering
2016-12-08T03:36:02 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-08T03:36:10 < upgrdman> calif
2016-12-08T03:36:16 < stvn> yargh
2016-12-08T03:36:36 < stvn> i'm in the kangaroo  den
2016-12-08T03:37:07 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-08T03:37:17 < upgrdman> how is it
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2016-12-08T03:38:09 < upgrdman> brb
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2016-12-08T03:41:40 < dongs> dongs
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2016-12-08T03:54:54 < Laurenceb_> http://cdn-r2.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/52886UNILAD-imageoptim-roo-punch-GIF.gif
2016-12-08T03:55:38 < stvn> bongs
2016-12-08T03:55:42 < stvn> britbongs
2016-12-08T03:57:06 < Laurenceb_>  /brit/s
2016-12-08T03:57:20 < Laurenceb_> 100% civic
2016-12-08T03:58:12 < stvn> the cat and dog at my new place are both terrified of my dyson mate
2016-12-08T03:58:42 < Laurenceb_> typical /brit/ meetup http://cdn.tradyouth.org/uploads/2014/12/EDL2.jpg
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2016-12-08T03:59:40 < Laurenceb_> before they raid their enemies in /pol/
2016-12-08T04:00:24 < stvn> yeah muscles
2016-12-08T04:00:45 < Laurenceb_> I met Dyson once, he was a pretty cool dude
2016-12-08T04:01:08 < Laurenceb_> he seemed to be with a Ukrainian hooker but I wont tell his wife
2016-12-08T04:02:42 < stvn> seems alright
2016-12-08T04:03:12 < dongs> oh laurence/b/, will you ever start being funny
2016-12-08T04:03:44 < Laurenceb_> true story, I was raiding the skips and he caught me
2016-12-08T04:03:52 < Laurenceb_> but didnt care much
2016-12-08T04:04:08 < Laurenceb_> still think his products are crap tho lol
2016-12-08T04:04:36 < stvn> lol
2016-12-08T04:04:54  * stvn imagines stand up comedy Laurenceb_ 
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2016-12-08T04:08:01 < englishman> for dongs http://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/alabama-shootout-themed-mannequin-challenge-goes-viral-everyone-gets-arrested-for-gun-and-drug-charges/
2016-12-08T04:09:03 < stvn> clever
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2016-12-08T04:25:39 < ReadErr> meow
2016-12-08T04:27:02 < stvn> welcom
2016-12-08T04:36:24 < jadew> you can fit lots of them in a ring
2016-12-08T04:37:42 < jadew> you didn't see that article about the 400k indigogo campaign?
2016-12-08T04:37:44 < englishman> lol
2016-12-08T04:37:50 < englishman> why don't they give thermal junction resistance
2016-12-08T04:38:35 < englishman> how are you going to get 200mA 5v->3.3v or 3v->1.8v
2016-12-08T04:38:38 < jadew> LeelooMinai, pretty much and they disappeared with the money lol
2016-12-08T04:38:50 < englishman> good for them
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2016-12-08T04:39:52 < jadew> http://www.vocativ.com/377606/bioring-indiegogo-crowdfunding-fitness-tracker/
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2016-12-08T04:42:01 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I think so too, but I guess these guys didnd't really care about making rings
2016-12-08T04:43:35 < jadew> it was one of these: http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4515088/captain-planet-powers-combined-o.gif
2016-12-08T04:44:30 < englishman> nice http://i.imgur.com/zN1phY2.jpg
2016-12-08T04:45:50 < jadew> oh, that's the evaluation board for the regulator?
2016-12-08T04:46:00 < englishman> those are 0603 but still
2016-12-08T04:46:01 < jadew> I thought that's a scratch mark
2016-12-08T04:46:01 < jadew> lol
2016-12-08T04:46:42 < jadew> was thinking the same hehe
2016-12-08T04:46:45 < jadew> I want one now
2016-12-08T04:46:52 < englishman> only $20
2016-12-08T04:49:21 < englishman> i mean the evalkit
2016-12-08T04:54:32 < englishman> psoc
2016-12-08T04:56:37 < ohsix> sup, home
2016-12-08T05:05:17 < stvn> http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/wrong-house-demolished-in-bankstown-by-mistake/news-story/9b10a53cc683d92c90ebed157fe0dd02
2016-12-08T05:05:19 < stvn> g'day sport
2016-12-08T05:05:51 < stvn> also, http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/dongs/9b10a53cc683d92c90ebed157fe0dd02
2016-12-08T05:06:49 < stvn> orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr http://www.news.com.au/irc-trans-man-found-dead/9b10a53cc683d92c90ebed157fe0dd02
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2016-12-08T05:11:15 < dongs> whats the official maker of those 5.08mm screw terminals
2016-12-08T05:11:19 < dongs> like the shit that everyoen clones
2016-12-08T05:11:46 < englishman> the green shit
2016-12-08T05:11:49 < dongs> yes
2016-12-08T05:11:58 < stvn> phoenix?
2016-12-08T05:12:05 < englishman> gonna guess molex since they have everything
2016-12-08T05:12:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/asxNB5Q.png
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2016-12-08T05:12:31 < dongs> lets ese phones
2016-12-08T05:12:32 < dongs> er 
2016-12-08T05:12:34 < dongs> phoenix
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2016-12-08T05:13:58 < dongs> hm i dont see anything with that kinda long end part
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2016-12-08T05:16:55 < stvn> http://www.mouser.com/catalog/645/usd/1739.pdf
2016-12-08T05:17:19 < stvn> pluggable terminal block?
2016-12-08T05:19:29 < dongs> yeah almost but no
2016-12-08T05:20:07 < dongs> this is not pluggable, its through hole right angle to screw terminal
2016-12-08T05:24:45 < dongs> funny, chinagirl linked me same shit
2016-12-08T05:24:51 < dongs> http://www.deca.com.tw/ENVersion/product_detail.php?id=122&table=product3EN&type=MC+Series
2016-12-08T05:25:25 < dongs> but these are plug-in to a socket, while my original pic shit is soldered in
2016-12-08T05:26:21 < upgrdman> is 5.08mm some clean number of mils?
2016-12-08T05:26:26 < upgrdman> like wtf why 5.08
2016-12-08T05:27:50 < dongs> yeah 200mil
2016-12-08T05:27:55 < dongs> err or osmething
2016-12-08T05:28:04 < dongs> yea 200
2016-12-08T05:28:05 < upgrdman> 100mil is 2.54mm
2016-12-08T05:28:13 < upgrdman> so oh ya, makes sense
2016-12-08T05:28:31 < dongs> oh fuck, these are 2 part
2016-12-08T05:28:38 < stvn> arent they always
2016-12-08T05:28:39 < dongs> the dumb gook pic doesnt make it clear
2016-12-08T05:28:40 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-08T05:28:47 < stvn> unless you want the ones that don't 'stick out'
2016-12-08T05:28:48 < dongs> no,i thought it was a single thing board ->screw
2016-12-08T05:28:58 < dongs> fuckin trolled k
2016-12-08T05:29:22 < dongs> fuckign RS485 trash
2016-12-08T05:29:28 < dongs> (hi karlp )
2016-12-08T05:30:05 < stvn> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/non-fused-terminal-blocks/1930586/
2016-12-08T05:30:10 < stvn> the stubby homo ones
2016-12-08T05:30:18 < dongs> yeah ive used those
2016-12-08T05:30:31 < dongs> thats why it looked weird that the PCB hole was so much further out 
2016-12-08T05:30:35 < dongs> didnt realize it was 2 part thing
2016-12-08T05:30:39 < stvn> yuh
2016-12-08T05:30:43 < stvn> i like the 2 part thing 
2016-12-08T05:30:47 < stvn> much pretty
2016-12-08T05:31:50 < ohsix> dum pic ur
2016-12-08T05:31:59 < stvn> pulling out 10 of those in a 19" rack to switch a matrix processor is quick n easy
2016-12-08T05:32:14 < ohsix> 'pulling'
2016-12-08T05:35:01 < ohsix> yea those green block things are for plc/sensor type garbage where you'd be swapping junk
2016-12-08T05:41:40 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ZAKagan/status/806259677466099718
2016-12-08T05:46:08 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-08T05:46:16 < ohsix> someone is selling nanopi neo on ebay now
2016-12-08T05:48:58 < ohsix> https://gitlab.brokenpipe.de/stettberger/avremu
2016-12-08T05:50:44 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/XilBFzG.jpg
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2016-12-08T06:02:27 < ohsix> classic eh
2016-12-08T06:02:44 < ohsix> where does mensa fit on that rainbow
2016-12-08T06:04:00 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/xor/status/806639308849299457 lul a wild 'holy shit' appears
2016-12-08T06:07:05 < dongs> stvn: how close to the board edge are those usually
2016-12-08T06:07:13 < dongs> do tehy stick out or are tehy right at the board edge?
2016-12-08T06:08:01 < dongs> phoenix shitstain datasheets are horrible
2016-12-08T06:08:08 < dongs> they're just fucking print to pdf of their even shittier site
2016-12-08T06:08:12 < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Phoenix%20Contact%20PDFs/1757242.pdf
2016-12-08T06:08:34 < dongs> Why buy this product
2016-12-08T06:08:42 < dongs> * No fuckign reason, learn to internet in 2016
2016-12-08T06:10:07 < ohsix> i have one of the paper ones i think
2016-12-08T06:10:13 < ohsix> but you don't know that :\
2016-12-08T06:10:23 < stvn> too close compared to the plug in units imo
2016-12-08T06:10:43 < dongs> show me a pic of something with that shit on it
2016-12-08T06:10:59 < stvn> i'd have to go into a junk box tbh
2016-12-08T06:11:21 < dongs> k never mind then
2016-12-08T06:11:24 < stvn> (for the 'non plug-in' ones)
2016-12-08T06:11:38 < dongs> no, i want the plug in ones
2016-12-08T06:11:44 < dongs>  < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Phoenix%20Contact%20PDFs/1757242.pdf
2016-12-08T06:11:51 < dongs> the "standard" shit or whatever
2016-12-08T06:13:33 < stvn> i would expect no problem having them on a board which is screwed into a chassis as such - http://www.sounddog.co.kr/image/products/ashly/pe2400/back.jpg
2016-12-08T06:14:01 < dongs> ya that sounds like what I'm doing. so i guess t hey do have to stick out a bit
2016-12-08T06:14:12 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/New_Tape_City/status/806703320257691649
2016-12-08T06:14:40 < ohsix> eh automation direct sells phoenix shit
2016-12-08T06:14:44 < ohsix> you can leech part numbers
2016-12-08T06:15:08 < upgrdman> wtf. why wont nvidia support hdmi-cec :(
2016-12-08T06:15:23 < upgrdman> is cec licensed? even sub $1 stm32 shits have cec
2016-12-08T06:15:24 < dongs> upgrdman: youve been beeping me for a while , whats up
2016-12-08T06:15:31 < dongs> what the shit do you need CEC for
2016-12-08T06:15:58 < upgrdman> dongs, i want to use my pc to control the 4k tv plugged into it (on, off, select input, etc.)
2016-12-08T06:16:09 < upgrdman> i see usb dongles to do it, but like $45
2016-12-08T06:16:38 < upgrdman> dongs, i was beeping you about that AmazeSoft wire. wanna sell me some? should i pm?
2016-12-08T06:17:57 < dongs> ah yeah plz. just tell me how much and msg your info
2016-12-08T06:18:02 < dongs> length that is
2016-12-08T06:18:05 < englishman> use remote control to command tesla coil lighting implementation
2016-12-08T06:18:38 < englishman> that 30g is dope i got some kilometres of it
2016-12-08T06:20:24 < ohsix> lul the catalog just for some types of din termination blocks @ phoenix is 700 pages
2016-12-08T06:20:50 < ohsix> 30g?
2016-12-08T06:27:38 < ohsix> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/us/edgar-welch-comet-pizza-fake-news.html lul 'intel'
2016-12-08T06:27:47 < ohsix> they talk like tardz
2016-12-08T06:29:02 < ohsix> 'acted in haste'
2016-12-08T06:29:13 < ohsix> yea, roll with that, driving 350 miles doesn't show intent at all
2016-12-08T06:30:52 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-NanoPi-NEO-512M-/172434559462
2016-12-08T06:31:51 < dongs> huh, shit
2016-12-08T06:32:00 < dongs> altidumb17 moved shit around in tools menu
2016-12-08T06:32:10 < dongs> TE/TU is now TAE/TAU
2016-12-08T06:35:52 < englishman> well their annotate system before didn't have enough options
2016-12-08T06:36:35 < ohsix> bunnotate
2016-12-08T06:55:24 < dongs> stupid fucking TI
2016-12-08T06:55:36 < dongs> 53.6/10.2k for resistor divider, fuckign WHY
2016-12-08T07:02:34 < ohsix> 102 and 536 are standard values yo
2016-12-08T07:05:50 < dongs> has anyone written a tool that takes vref and vout and suggests possible divider combos within E12/E24/E48
2016-12-08T07:06:03 < dongs> this is 2016
2016-12-08T07:06:09 < dongs> should be a web app for this
2016-12-08T07:08:35 < dongs> fucking finally
2016-12-08T07:08:39 < dongs> 0.8*(1+(330/62))
2016-12-08T07:08:41 < dongs> 330K/62K
2016-12-08T07:08:43 < dongs> is 5V
2016-12-08T07:08:49 < dongs> not fucking 53.6/10.2
2016-12-08T07:09:10 < englishman> thats way different impedance
2016-12-08T07:09:27 < englishman> just use 10k and deal with the variation
2016-12-08T07:09:47 < dongs> there's no specification of min/max values for the shit
2016-12-08T07:10:01 < dongs> its just a divider, it doesnt need to have a specific current / impedance
2016-12-08T07:10:10 < dongs> some shit will say R2 must be > 100k or etc
2016-12-08T07:10:12 < dongs> this one doesnt
2016-12-08T07:10:37 < dongs> To
2016-12-08T07:10:38 < dongs> improve efficiency at light loads consider using larger value resistors. However, if the values are too high, the
2016-12-08T07:10:40 < englishman> 10k -> 10.2k is like 5mV difference on the output
2016-12-08T07:10:41 < dongs> regulator will be more susceptible to noise and voltage errors from the FB input current may become noticeable.
2016-12-08T07:10:52 < dongs> i dont have53.6K or anything even NEAR it i nstock, either
2016-12-08T07:10:58 < dongs> 51k is closes standard value
2016-12-08T07:11:02 < dongs> 51/10k is too much
2016-12-08T07:11:14 < dongs> or too less, rather
2016-12-08T07:11:40 < dongs> my old shit used 47/9.09 but I didnt actually need 5V there just immediate LDO it to 4.0V
2016-12-08T07:12:13 < ohsix> dongs: wolfram alpha can do that
2016-12-08T07:12:23 < ohsix> lul we've had that conversation before
2016-12-08T07:12:45 < ohsix> only thing that matters in picking value is absolute percentage difference
2016-12-08T07:13:50 < ohsix> nice, it will be above freezing tomorrow
2016-12-08T07:19:34 < dongs> how do you force retarded peripheral pinout selection in cube?
2016-12-08T07:19:47 < dongs> i choose SPI2 it picks some random pins all over the package instead of PB12.15
2016-12-08T07:21:26 < englishman> click the pin
2016-12-08T07:21:29 < englishman> man so much autism
2016-12-08T07:21:32 < dongs> yes, thats manual assignmenmt
2016-12-08T07:21:45 < dongs> if I was gonna  do that I might as well not even use cube
2016-12-08T07:22:15 < ohsix> they're not random
2016-12-08T07:22:36 < ohsix> and you only have to move a few that you know you want on specific (alternate) pins
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2016-12-08T07:26:06 < stvn> im having Laurenceb_ withdrawals
2016-12-08T07:26:07 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfGncvuBk0
2016-12-08T07:27:15 < ohsix> http://www.makerbot.com/media-center/2010/09/13/makerbot-automated-build-platform lul first i'm hearing of this, neat idea
2016-12-08T07:29:15 < upgrdman> might need to do some pro wifi/bt shit in the near future. what's a pro version of like an esp32 module? is bluegiga good?
2016-12-08T07:29:41 < ohsix> stvn: eh wut, never looked at r9k, was it like 9 year old kids?
2016-12-08T07:29:55 < ohsix> upgrdman: they should be all the same
2016-12-08T07:30:09 < ohsix> doesn't espressif have a thing called 'room' or something
2016-12-08T07:30:51 < ohsix> ya 'wroom'
2016-12-08T07:30:54 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP32#Development_.26_other_boards
2016-12-08T07:31:21 < jpa-> upgrdman: bluegiga is good :)
2016-12-08T07:31:38 < upgrdman> oh ya that's your friends emploer right?
2016-12-08T07:31:43 < jpa-> yeah
2016-12-08T07:31:59 < ohsix> oh of like an esp32
2016-12-08T07:32:16 < ohsix> hurf
2016-12-08T07:32:19 < stvn> good afternoon jpa- 
2016-12-08T07:32:39 < upgrdman> time for an internet-of-xray-generators
2016-12-08T07:32:56 < upgrdman> or at least network, not really internet
2016-12-08T07:33:04 < ohsix> upgrdman: what kind of pro stuff
2016-12-08T07:33:23 < ohsix> serial over bluetooth or some class thing you might have to do yourself
2016-12-08T07:33:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, well moudles that can do wifi/bt, and are readily available from suppliers like digikey/mouser/etc, and that have a reputation of not EoL'ing shit all the fucking time
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2016-12-08T07:34:16 < upgrdman> may need 4 - 8 Mbit/s
2016-12-08T07:34:59 < ohsix> to a phone or wut
2016-12-08T07:35:09 < upgrdman> wifi to a laptop
2016-12-08T07:35:14 < ohsix> bluetooth is kind of a nonstarter for most poop i need stuff for
2016-12-08T07:35:15 < ohsix> ah
2016-12-08T07:35:50 < ohsix> well it's quick-ish to hack stuff up with the esp8266
2016-12-08T07:35:53 < englishman> upgrdman: https://www.amazon.ca/Edimax-EW-7811Un-150Mbps-Raspberry-Supports/dp/B003MTTJOY
2016-12-08T07:36:15 < upgrdman> lol
2016-12-08T07:36:38 < upgrdman> no i need pro SMD module, from legit vendors, with FCC etc certs
2016-12-08T07:36:43 < ohsix> that's not too silly
2016-12-08T07:37:04 < ohsix> wifi usb junk are usually ndis or something relatively simple, tho if it doesn't do something in hw you're boned and need a bigger host
2016-12-08T07:37:07 < englishman> there are also $15 ones
2016-12-08T07:37:36 < ohsix> fcc cert that isn't a lie is going to cost money, might as well not bother with esspresif
2016-12-08T07:37:56 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya thats why i implied not esp32
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2016-12-08T07:38:11 < upgrdman> will go into commerical product, needs legit certs
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2016-12-08T07:47:22 < dongs> upgrdman: murata makes wifi modules
2016-12-08T07:47:26 < dongs> that are pro
2016-12-08T07:47:53 < upgrdman> used plenty of passives from murata. any idea how their docs are? decent?
2016-12-08T07:48:16 < dongs> its basicalyl WiCED stuff, F205+BCM wifi
2016-12-08T07:48:25 < dongs> so you cant really go wrong with it
2016-12-08T07:49:08 < upgrdman> ? is that some standard for interdicking with wifi modules?
2016-12-08T07:49:11 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-08T07:49:18 < dongs> http://wireless.murata.com/RFM/data/SN820X-Brief.pdf
2016-12-08T07:50:23 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/murata-electronics-north-america/SN8000UFL/490-12510-ND/5451734
2016-12-08T07:50:30 < dongs> anyway looks liek they make a bunch of different oens
2016-12-08T07:50:38 < upgrdman> nice
2016-12-08T07:50:39 < dongs> precertified, too
2016-12-08T07:50:48 < dongs> tho you still need to go through teh test,m its just easier/less chance to fail
2016-12-08T07:51:16 < upgrdman> no castellations... is the bottom BGAish?
2016-12-08T07:51:47 < dongs> yeah. oh, that one is nice, you skip the F205 part and provide your own SDIO shit to talk to it
2016-12-08T07:52:10 < dongs> bottom is just LGA, paste + reflow
2016-12-08T07:52:15 < upgrdman> nice
2016-12-08T07:57:40 < dongs> still no fucking hotkey for set net colors
2016-12-08T07:57:52 < dongs> V->up/down arrow for half an hour->enter
2016-12-08T07:58:56 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flHbBTfvw9Q
2016-12-08T08:19:39 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJVQFKyKbAQ arty farty folky muzak
2016-12-08T08:20:11 < dongs>  not funny
2016-12-08T08:20:40 < stvn> it's a Laurenceb_ simulator
2016-12-08T08:21:21 < ohsix> a summer sim
2016-12-08T08:21:28 < ohsix> he got busy
2016-12-08T08:21:46 < stvn> i have to service dj gear today
2016-12-08T08:21:56 < ohsix> is he nice?
2016-12-08T08:22:01 < ohsix> this 'dj gear'
2016-12-08T08:23:23 < dongs> j there stands for JIZZ-COVERED KNOBS
2016-12-08T08:23:26 < stvn> .
2016-12-08T08:23:38 < stvn> that was for ohsix  the .
2016-12-08T08:23:44 < stvn> but great joke
2016-12-08T08:25:09 < upgrdman> dick jockey
2016-12-08T08:27:07 < stvn> glad to see they've stopped snapping ethernet jacks off their cdj players
2016-12-08T08:27:31 < dongs> thats like lawrenceb
2016-12-08T08:27:36 < dongs> he yanks his ehternet out every night
2016-12-08T08:27:38 < stvn> when you have to buy a reel of magjacks it kinda says something about them
2016-12-08T08:27:42 < dongs> and has to get a new mobo 
2016-12-08T08:27:45 < stvn> LOL
2016-12-08T08:28:17 < upgrdman> apple should magsafe some RJ45's... like replace the tab with a fagnet
2016-12-08T08:28:39 < dongs> which apple hardware has RJ45 remaining on it, bro
2016-12-08T08:28:44 < upgrdman> true
2016-12-08T08:28:58 < upgrdman> dongle-all-the-things
2016-12-08T08:32:03 < stvn> the lightning to ethernet adapter :)
2016-12-08T08:32:34 < stvn> and my macfag friend has one
2016-12-08T08:32:51 < upgrdman> hmmm my digikey order tracking says delivering tomorrow, but it's fucking 1000 miles from me and just priority mail :/
2016-12-08T08:34:04 < upgrdman> usps better not break the package. hope the f469idisco lcd/touch is nice.
2016-12-08T08:34:55 < stvn> me too
2016-12-08T08:35:06 < dongs> usps isnt gonna deliver it if its 1k away
2016-12-08T08:35:11 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-08T08:35:17 < stvn> then Tectu can send my one with ugfx
2016-12-08T08:35:27 < upgrdman> bet those faggots are gonna say "delayed, lolumad"
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2016-12-08T08:41:53 < stvn> so sick of how gay these faggots are
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2016-12-08T08:47:28 < ohsix> o shi
2016-12-08T08:47:36 < ohsix> in a new google a/b test
2016-12-08T08:47:50 < ohsix> they material design'd the result page
2016-12-08T08:48:57 < ohsix> speaking of apple port junk, it is a stealth way to lower their costs and sell unintegrated shit as accessories
2016-12-08T08:49:11 < ohsix> ~price stays the same, ports leave
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2016-12-08T08:54:38 < ReadErr> this new rooter has sorta that feature I wanted
2016-12-08T08:54:46 < ReadErr> you can force clients to Tor or vpn
2016-12-08T08:56:00 < dongs> why the fuck would any normal person ever want to use tor
2016-12-08T08:56:10 < ReadErr> dont care about tor
2016-12-08T08:56:15 < ReadErr> its a pain in the dick 
2016-12-08T08:56:24 < ReadErr> but vpn is coo
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2016-12-08T09:02:57 < stvn> lul
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2016-12-08T09:06:07 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tUIU8BKG30
2016-12-08T09:10:15 < ohsix> neko atsume won best game of 2016 on google play
2016-12-08T09:10:40 < ohsix> 'game'
2016-12-08T09:14:26 < ohsix> new south cuck
2016-12-08T09:16:33 < ohsix> waddle back to syria desert tard
2016-12-08T09:18:23 < ohsix> woot, kenny
2016-12-08T09:19:25 < stvn> ohsix, have you any medication?
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2016-12-08T09:22:08 < boB_K7IQ> TOR can be used to  fake your IP source and so your location so that you can watch, say, video from restricted zones like the UK. Although it's slow-ish
2016-12-08T09:22:34 < stvn> and random which exit node you're connected to
2016-12-08T09:22:39 < stvn> isn't it?
2016-12-08T09:22:56 < stvn> eg could be china, america, or australia.... or dongsland
2016-12-08T09:24:12 < ohsix> doesn't fake anything, it's a mixnet 
2016-12-08T09:28:12 < boB_K7IQ> Well, if the proxy is in the UK, you can have access is all
2016-12-08T09:28:26 < boB_K7IQ> Unless it's blocked I suppose
2016-12-08T09:28:30 < ohsix> if it is in a bank you can hack the gibson
2016-12-08T09:28:42 < boB_K7IQ> hack the gibson ?
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2016-12-08T09:30:30 < ohsix> the gibson super computer
2016-12-08T09:31:04 < boB_K7IQ> Ahhhh...  didn't know the name
2016-12-08T09:31:58 < boB_K7IQ> Anybody here had problems with STM32CubeMX not creating alternate pin connections properly ?
2016-12-08T09:32:36 < boB_K7IQ> For example, PWM output not connecting to the specified IC pin
2016-12-08T09:32:50 < ReadErr> boB_K7IQ: a vpn is much better for that
2016-12-08T09:32:55 < ReadErr> most sites block tor
2016-12-08T09:33:07 < ReadErr> since 95% of traffic is malicious 
2016-12-08T09:33:09 < ohsix> boB_K7IQ: not in error, only when it was invalid
2016-12-08T09:33:26 < boB_K7IQ> Yeah, it probably is.  I have been meaning to play with some of those VPN alternatives
2016-12-08T09:33:47 < boB_K7IQ> I had to go in an set the bits to the proper connection in the created code and then it worked
2016-12-08T09:34:06 < boB_K7IQ> STM32F446
2016-12-08T09:34:11 < ohsix> vpns are 4 boobz
2016-12-08T09:34:48 < boB_K7IQ> As long as the redirected connection is fast enough for the media being routed
2016-12-08T09:35:15 < stvn> yeah the thing is off its head
2016-12-08T09:35:20 < stvn> stm32cube
2016-12-08T09:35:29 < stvn> its almost as bad as using linux
2016-12-08T09:35:36 < boB_K7IQ> So you've had issues with it ?
2016-12-08T09:35:43 < stvn> i may have
2016-12-08T09:35:58 < stvn> had a play with it, noticed a few annoying things
2016-12-08T09:36:07 < stvn> still using std lib
2016-12-08T09:36:07 < ReadErr> boB_K7IQ: i pull full speed
2016-12-08T09:36:18 < ReadErr> ohsix: seen that cyberwar show
2016-12-08T09:36:33 < boB_K7IQ> Well, it at least makes it easier to start with even if I have to fix some bugs
2016-12-08T09:37:10 < boB_K7IQ> Figured I might as well take advantage of it if possible.  Ehhhh I suppose
2016-12-08T09:37:18 < boB_K7IQ> Mehhh
2016-12-08T09:38:29 < boB_K7IQ> freezing here in WA
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2016-12-08T09:39:57 < ohsix> ReadErr: you make yourself an easy target by using the vpn. provider is not going to give a shit if they get a court order, and you self select for any agency that might want to monitor such things
2016-12-08T09:40:12 < ReadErr> ohsix: sure they do
2016-12-08T09:40:26 < ReadErr> theres been records of them telling police to fuck off and they dont keep logs
2016-12-08T09:40:37 < ohsix> haha ok
2016-12-08T09:40:44 < ReadErr> its in some court documents
2016-12-08T09:40:46 < ohsix> your isp actually will
2016-12-08T09:40:50 < ReadErr> a school bombing case at that
2016-12-08T09:40:53 < ReadErr> or threat rather
2016-12-08T09:41:21 < stvn> i miss brother Steffan
2016-12-08T09:41:28 < ohsix> and you don't self select into a pool of people that are into some shady shit and marketed to with things to 'protect' their 'privacy'
2016-12-08T09:41:29 < ReadErr> https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-providers-no-logging-claims-tested-in-fbi-case-160312/
2016-12-08T09:42:08 < ohsix> the self selection part is the important part
2016-12-08T09:42:22 < ohsix> no provider is going to tank their business deliberately
2016-12-08T09:42:46 < ReadErr> im not doing anything shady 
2016-12-08T09:42:58 < ReadErr> but if I get full speed, why not
2016-12-08T09:43:06 < ohsix> then why hang out with people that are
2016-12-08T09:43:19 < ReadErr> ?
2016-12-08T09:43:29 < ohsix> it is a great choke point to actually monitor people that are doing shit
2016-12-08T09:44:18 < ohsix> like message boards for fringe groups
2016-12-08T09:44:32 < ohsix> they all go there and you can just watch what they're doing
2016-12-08T09:44:39 < ReadErr> sure
2016-12-08T09:45:03 < ReadErr> but I dont see why using a vpn makes one guilty of anything
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2016-12-08T09:45:42 < ohsix> that isn't what i'm implying
2016-12-08T09:46:07 < ohsix> if you hang out on a corner and aren't selling drugs, there is still probable cause
2016-12-08T09:46:28 < ohsix> reggie watts has a new thing, watching
2016-12-08T09:46:39 < ReadErr> the vpn is like my jew lawyer
2016-12-08T09:46:43 < ReadErr> or sal goodman 
2016-12-08T09:47:22 < ReadErr> only use it on wireless comps
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2016-12-08T09:53:41 < ReadErr> damn this new wifi is so much faster
2016-12-08T09:54:00 < ReadErr> old one would get saturated quick if I was downloading over ftp and uploading to NAS at the same time
2016-12-08T09:54:18 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-08T09:54:36 < stvn> its awesome
2016-12-08T09:54:45 < ReadErr> stfu
2016-12-08T09:54:57 < stvn> wut
2016-12-08T09:56:23 < Kliment> I made two mouser orders yesterday, and the later one got sent out first
2016-12-08T09:56:46 < Kliment> Makes sense I guess, fewer line items
2016-12-08T09:57:43 < stvn> welcome back Kliment 
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2016-12-08T09:59:05 < ReadErr> dildo shwaggins
2016-12-08T09:59:34 < stvn> i want a capacitator
2016-12-08T10:02:13 < Kliment> ReadErr: Sounds like you've read "bored of the rings"
2016-12-08T10:02:33 < ReadErr> southpark
2016-12-08T10:06:51 < Kliment> ReadErr: In "Bored of the Rings" the character is called "Dildo Bugger"
2016-12-08T10:08:27 < Kliment> ReadErr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bored_of_the_Rings#Characters
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2016-12-08T10:10:37 < ReadErr> you know, ive never seen a single LOTR movie
2016-12-08T10:11:28 < Kliment> heh, I read them in a weird order
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2016-12-08T10:12:19 < Kliment> I read the hobbit first, of course, then the two towers, then bored of the rings, then return of the king, then saw the first film
2016-12-08T10:12:31 < Kliment> I still haven't actually read the fellowship
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2016-12-08T10:17:02 < Kliment> It's funny how mouser has this super high tech automation setup
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2016-12-08T10:17:12 < Kliment> And digikey basically runs on paper still
2016-12-08T10:17:29 < Kliment> And yet digikey can get a package out 20 minutes from when the order comes in
2016-12-08T10:17:37 < Kliment> and mouser needs several hours
2016-12-08T10:23:00 < ReadErr> I like mouser's site better
2016-12-08T10:23:12 < ReadErr> the parametric search is much better anyways
2016-12-08T10:23:19 < ReadErr> you can remove options you selected 
2016-12-08T10:31:47 < ReadErr> digikey charges me tax too, even though they dont do anything in my state
2016-12-08T10:32:07 < ReadErr> and they dont take paypal, they can pissoff
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2016-12-08T10:45:21 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/scam/2043154928.html whats this a clone of
2016-12-08T10:45:45 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/amphenol-commercial-products/101-00313-68-02/101-00313-68-02CT-ND/2540683
2016-12-08T10:45:48 < dongs> i guess this?
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2016-12-08T10:56:36 < ReadErr> desert tan, gangster
2016-12-08T11:00:38 < ohsix> Laurenceb: lul there's a pull up resistor on that 1 op amp ecg
2016-12-08T11:01:17 < ohsix> ReadErr: heh, 'on not at home wifi' is a legit use, should have said that first :
2016-12-08T11:01:20 < ohsix> :p
2016-12-08T11:01:35 < ohsix> plus it can just be to home
2016-12-08T11:01:54 < ohsix> i use ssh socks junk for that fairly often
2016-12-08T11:01:57 < ReadErr> well theres people on efnet that will paste links just to get IPs in a channel to ddos
2016-12-08T11:02:07 < ReadErr> why, who knows
2016-12-08T11:03:01 < ohsix> you could extend that to the whole internet
2016-12-08T11:03:24 < ohsix> i didn't really try and hide my ip when i was an oper and never got dos'd huhuhu
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2016-12-08T11:03:45 < ohsix> dos was always from someone i already knew that was a shithead
2016-12-08T11:04:02 < ohsix> people with cable modems could just punt you off
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2016-12-08T11:18:28 < dongs> fuck manufacturers that offer 3d shit in .IGS
2016-12-08T11:21:06 < stvn> this fuckin cat is autofellating or some shit
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2016-12-08T11:22:59 < ReadErr> why u watching him
2016-12-08T11:24:16 < stvn> just looked across the room and thats what i saw
2016-12-08T11:26:05 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErjPmFulQ0
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2016-12-08T11:57:01 < stvn> hmmm
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2016-12-08T12:07:44 < karlp> having fun with rs485 euro terminal blocks dongs?
2016-12-08T12:13:26 < ohsix> someone needs to invent a thing to get lint out of micro usb
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2016-12-08T12:17:19 < ohsix> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/ wow wut lul
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2016-12-08T12:19:15 < dongs> ya
2016-12-08T12:19:35 < dongs> also i was supposed to have your wires pics today
2016-12-08T12:19:43 < dongs> but i guess it didnt happen
2016-12-08T12:19:46 < dongs> so probly tomrow
2016-12-08T12:19:48 < Tectu> dongs
2016-12-08T12:19:57 < dongs> sup tectu
2016-12-08T12:20:02 < Tectu> not much, how about there?
2016-12-08T12:20:09 < dongs> blogging/trolling as usual
2016-12-08T12:20:12 < Tectu> good
2016-12-08T12:20:14 < Tectu> very good
2016-12-08T12:20:17 < Tectu> keep up the good work
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2016-12-08T12:22:34 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/SnoopDogg/status/806280714710814721
2016-12-08T12:26:54 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI-MY2KDOyQ
2016-12-08T12:31:54 < dongs> oh what the fuck
2016-12-08T12:32:11 < dongs> in altidumb component editor i was able to select shit and ctrl=arrow keys to move shit around to where i wanted it 
2016-12-08T12:32:20 < dongs> now it pops up a "this shit is locked do you wanna continue" box each time
2016-12-08T12:32:22 < dongs> wtf its not locked
2016-12-08T12:34:02 < karlp> tomorrow wire pics would be great, give my colleagues a weekend christmas present.
2016-12-08T12:34:03 < stvn> tec2
2016-12-08T12:34:07 < karlp> company christmas party tomorrow night
2016-12-08T12:38:48 < Tectu> You know I don't have a highlight on that, right crt? :p
2016-12-08T12:39:28 < karlp> maybe he wasn't trying to talk to you ;)
2016-12-08T12:39:51 < Tectu> now, that was harsh :p
2016-12-08T12:42:13 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ0PcXDbASk
2016-12-08T12:42:20 < stvn> greetings Tectu 
2016-12-08T12:42:44 < Tectu> greetings Mr. stvn 
2016-12-08T12:43:10 < jpa-> oh no, it's the tectu
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2016-12-08T12:59:44 < Kliment> Heya Tectu 
2016-12-08T12:59:55 < Tectu> Hey there
2016-12-08T13:00:04 < ohsix> What are the requirements to become an Eclipse.org mirror?
2016-12-08T13:00:09 < Kliment> Tectu: Bit less stressed now?
2016-12-08T13:00:10 < ohsix> 700 GB of disk space
2016-12-08T13:00:39 < Tectu> Kliment, even more. customer loves to move deadlines :)
2016-12-08T13:00:47 < Tectu> towards the wrong direction
2016-12-08T13:02:30 < Kliment> Tectu: Push back
2016-12-08T13:22:15 < ohsix> 11
2016-12-08T13:22:43 < ohsix> crapappe
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2016-12-08T14:15:25 < aandrew> huh, does Keil not have a full HAL/device driver set for whatever processors it supports?
2016-12-08T14:16:00 < aandrew> all I want to do is fuck around with the I2S port and it looks like you just write your own device driver, no HAL or anything
2016-12-08T14:18:01 < Kliment> aandrew: You could use the ST HAL
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2016-12-08T14:41:16 < kakimir> hello innovators
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2016-12-08T14:49:07 < stvn> welcome kakimir 
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2016-12-08T14:51:35 < Laurenceb_> https://media4.giphy.com/media/9bC0YXq2ybSne/giphy.gif
2016-12-08T14:52:46 < stvn> hi Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-08T14:54:04 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akOe5-UsQ2o
2016-12-08T14:54:10 < Laurenceb_> dat vote ratio
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2016-12-08T14:55:13 < stvn> did you make this - https://youtu.be/W17H_BL6jUo?t=7m6s
2016-12-08T14:55:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tom6_ceTu9s
2016-12-08T14:57:11 < Laurenceb_> that looks full /pol/
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2016-12-08T14:57:33 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/tube
2016-12-08T14:59:06 < stvn> yah
2016-12-08T14:59:41 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYN5Ipjkw7w
2016-12-08T14:59:51 < stvn> last link i'll post today
2016-12-08T15:00:05 < stvn> now its tomorrow
2016-12-08T15:00:22 < Laurenceb_> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/46786/1481033931/LiberalElite.jpg
2016-12-08T15:00:50 < stvn> been 100 years since i've seen that old game
2016-12-08T15:10:16 < stvn> got any CRTs Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-08T15:10:37 < Laurenceb_> capillary refill timers?
2016-12-08T15:12:16  * mitrax is retarded
2016-12-08T15:12:59 < stvn> mitrax, what's wrong with uncle bob?
2016-12-08T15:13:07 < Laurenceb_> hes a commie
2016-12-08T15:13:35 < stvn> lol
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2016-12-08T15:14:38 < mitrax> i spent a whole day trying to find what was wrong with ST msc lib and some usb stick... didn't check the obvious (until now) which was unproper USB clock... geez
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2016-12-08T15:17:21 < stvn> heh
2016-12-08T15:17:29 < stvn> u get that
2016-12-08T15:18:25  * mitrax bite his own foot off
2016-12-08T15:18:36 < Tectu> I wouldn't recommend doing that.
2016-12-08T15:18:45 < mitrax> Tectu: hey :)
2016-12-08T15:19:01 < Tectu> hey mitrax 
2016-12-08T15:19:07 < Tectu> and bye, I gotta go, sorry :p
2016-12-08T15:19:10 < Tectu> cu folks o/
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2016-12-08T15:21:38 < stvn> :[
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2016-12-08T15:25:47 < stvn> :o
2016-12-08T15:26:11 < mitrax> stvn: is your store/workshop up and running?
2016-12-08T15:26:25 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-08T15:26:33 < stvn> somewhat
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2016-12-08T15:29:09 < Laurenceb_> reee
2016-12-08T15:29:18 < Laurenceb_> PCBway increased costs to $117
2016-12-08T15:29:24 < stvn> from
2016-12-08T15:29:28 < Laurenceb_> so much for it being cheap
2016-12-08T15:29:30 < Laurenceb_>  $10
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2016-12-08T15:29:34 < stvn> oh..
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2016-12-08T15:32:46 < stvn> got any good ones Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-08T15:34:06 < kakimir> elecrow rulez
2016-12-08T15:34:28 < Laurenceb_> they had to change the panel layout
2016-12-08T15:34:33 < aandrew> Kliment: so pull the HAL into Keil? that sounds like hell
2016-12-08T15:34:40 < Laurenceb_> its a ton of plug adaptors on a panel
2016-12-08T15:35:06 < englishman> they give you a reason tho
2016-12-08T15:35:30 < Laurenceb_> so perman00bs can assemble CRT sensor plugs without failing epically
2016-12-08T15:35:50 < Laurenceb_> englishman: yeah there is that, probably easier to deal with than pcbtrain who are in uk lol
2016-12-08T15:35:59 < englishman> aandrew: cube exports to keil proj
2016-12-08T15:36:17 < Laurenceb_> thses
2016-12-08T15:36:19 < Laurenceb_> http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-detail/en/hirose-electric-co-ltd/ST60X-18S/H11465CT-ND/1211563
2016-12-08T15:37:11 < aandrew> englishman: right
2016-12-08T15:44:53 < tim3mob> keil is the best arm
2016-12-08T15:45:08 < tim3mob> (C) crt
2016-12-08T15:45:19 < stvn> lol
2016-12-08T15:50:37 < karlp> mitrax: what was "unproper" about your usb clock? it should have been showing up way more errors I would have thought
2016-12-08T15:50:56 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2016-12-08T15:51:11 < Laurenceb_> ebay is sending me "oh hi <name>" spam
2016-12-08T15:51:36 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-IvV8thrO4
2016-12-08T15:52:20 < tim3mob>  he was running off hsi?
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2016-12-08T15:53:54 < Laurenceb_> damn, for the price of these asian PCBs I could have 1 hour with an asian hooker
2016-12-08T15:54:30 < stvn> what would you prefer Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-08T15:54:46 < Laurenceb_> maybe there is some way to have both
2016-12-08T15:55:24 < Laurenceb_> anyways, bbl
2016-12-08T15:56:32 < aandrew> lol
2016-12-08T15:56:51 < aandrew> well I'm using it because the taiwanese hack^Wclient is using it
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2016-12-08T16:23:52 < mitrax> karlp: i'm not sure how the usb clock is derived from the system clock / PLL on F4, trying to figure that out from the datasheet, but changing the system clock from 180Mhz to 168Mhz fixed it (M=8/N=336/P=2/Q=7 as opposed to N = 360 before)
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2016-12-08T16:25:05 < karlp> I'm surprised usb worked at all honetly.
2016-12-08T16:27:35 < mitrax> karlp: that's why i didn't look into that before since it worked flawlessly with some usb drives
2016-12-08T16:28:01 < karlp> which f4 is this?
2016-12-08T16:28:08 < mitrax> F429ZIT6
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2016-12-08T16:32:31 < mitrax> karlp: do you think it's risky to overlock it at 192Mhz? with N=384 / Q=8 i get 48Mhz
2016-12-08T16:33:08 < mitrax> risky as in, reliability wise
2016-12-08T16:33:09 < karlp> 8Mhz HSE? (no opinion on overclocking)
2016-12-08T16:33:22 < mitrax> yeah
2016-12-08T16:33:50 < karlp> 51.42Mhz. I don't understand how usb was working at all before.
2016-12-08T16:36:09 < mitrax> i have no idea, with some branded drives, it worked fine, with older / cheapo ones it was completely erratic... 
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2016-12-08T16:45:52 < kakimir> my friend asks if you can connect 2 MIIs in stm32s together and use it as chip to chip bus
2016-12-08T16:57:40 < qyx> it may be possible
2016-12-08T16:57:57 < qyx> also capacitive coupling of ethernet is sometimes used between two phys
2016-12-08T16:59:54 < kakimir> they want to get rid of PHYs to save power
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2016-12-08T17:02:43 < kakimir> they are building some amateur satelite
2016-12-08T17:02:56 < kakimir> use stm32s and stuff in it
2016-12-08T17:04:54 < qyx> why no usb?
2016-12-08T17:05:06 < qyx> or high speed spi?
2016-12-08T17:05:29 < qyx> mii is 100mbps with no additional benefit
2016-12-08T17:05:40 < qyx> too much signals and too weird usage
2016-12-08T17:07:11 < kakimir> too slow
2016-12-08T17:07:39 < kakimir> isn't it that 100Mbps ethernet is the fastest thing in stm32?
2016-12-08T17:08:38 < qyx> I would rather do spi over lvds or similar shit than abusing mii
2016-12-08T17:08:43 < qyx> with dma the speed should not be an issue
2016-12-08T17:08:49 < kakimir> is it even abusing?
2016-12-08T17:08:50 < aandrew> actually that's not abusing MII at all
2016-12-08T17:08:54 < aandrew> it's not a bad interface
2016-12-08T17:09:06 < kakimir> just using it how it operates anyways
2016-12-08T17:09:26 < aandrew> it also allows you to use something familiar (hardware with ring buffers, DMA, etc.)
2016-12-08T17:12:16 < qyx> but still meh
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2016-12-08T17:12:50 < kakimir> how much usb consumes power?
2016-12-08T17:13:14 < kakimir> compared to rmii
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2016-12-08T17:50:15 < Laurenceb> heh satellite busses
2016-12-08T17:50:35 < Laurenceb> when I worked at EADS we ran AHB across a pcb
2016-12-08T17:50:45 < Laurenceb> ARM thought we were insane
2016-12-08T17:51:12 < Laurenceb> especially when we moaned when it wouldnt work
2016-12-08T17:52:22  * Laurenceb is still surprised that galileo works
2016-12-08T17:52:30 < Laurenceb> probably not for much longer tho
2016-12-08T17:52:42 < Laurenceb> its like a junkyard warz sat
2016-12-08T17:53:02 < Laurenceb> old MIG parts and all sort of crazy shit bolted on
2016-12-08T17:53:45 < aandrew> I really liked that show until it became so fucking obvious that they were seeding the junkyard
2016-12-08T17:53:59 < aandrew> OH LOOK 100M OF FUCKING PERFECT MYLAR FILM JUST WHAT I NEEDED!
2016-12-08T17:54:08 < aandrew> WOW EVERY FUCKING ENGINE WORKS BEAUTIFULLY
2016-12-08T17:54:12 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-12-08T17:55:02 < Laurenceb> galileo could probably be built from ebay parts
2016-12-08T17:55:34 < Laurenceb> its basically shitty off the shelf rubidium clock module + fpga + RF amps ripped off an old MIG radar
2016-12-08T17:55:48 < Laurenceb>  "upcycled"
2016-12-08T17:56:13 < Laurenceb> kakimir: what is this sat going to do?
2016-12-08T17:56:16 < Laurenceb> stm32sat
2016-12-08T17:56:31 < Laurenceb> http://www.50dollarsat.info/
2016-12-08T17:57:02 < Laurenceb> nice tape antenna
2016-12-08T17:59:54 < Laurenceb> flight heritage http://www.diy.com/departments/stanley-sta530815-5m-tape-measure/252719_BQ.prd
2016-12-08T18:00:12 < Laurenceb> there are tens of those in orbit as we speak
2016-12-08T18:00:25 < Laurenceb> space rated shit takes overcharging to extremes :P
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2016-12-08T18:13:15 < karlp> what? the $50sat is a project you approve of or what? and is that really chopped down measuring tape used as the antenna?
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2016-12-08T18:18:33 < Laurenceb> karlp: yeah its a pretty cool project
2016-12-08T18:19:05 < Laurenceb> karlp: major aerospace companies are buying that same tape, sanding it down, repainting and reselling for megabux as we speak
2016-12-08T18:19:09 < karlp> you're so fickle :)
2016-12-08T18:19:09 < Laurenceb> close to a new amateur balloon record  http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2016/08/17/ubseds18.html
2016-12-08T18:19:45 < Laurenceb>  "flight heritage deployable antenna"
2016-12-08T18:19:51 < Laurenceb>  $1M pls
2016-12-08T18:20:10 < karlp> I find it hard to believe they're buying it, sanding it down and reselling it, or are the volumes so stupidly small that they don't just buy them from the manufacturer without measurement markings?
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2016-12-08T18:21:43 < Laurenceb> flight heritage is such an important thing that they go to the store and buy all the stock
2016-12-08T18:22:04 < Laurenceb> then have a load of tapes shoved in their stores for decades
2016-12-08T18:22:15 < Laurenceb> so everything is made using the same material
2016-12-08T18:23:00 < Rob235> Laurenceb: that your balloon?
2016-12-08T18:23:04 < Laurenceb> I've seen all sort of weird shit stockpiled, lots of ancient RF amp parts seems to be the majority of it
2016-12-08T18:23:19 < Laurenceb> Rob235> no, Bristol university team
2016-12-08T18:23:26 < Rob235> ahhh
2016-12-08T18:23:31 < Laurenceb> its Atmel not ST arm
2016-12-08T18:23:38 < Laurenceb> so not me :P
2016-12-08T18:23:41 < Rob235> thats pretty cool that its still going
2016-12-08T18:24:01 < Laurenceb> yeah I'm suprised that supercap hasnt died yet
2016-12-08T18:24:07 < Laurenceb> they are abusing it a lot
2016-12-08T18:25:06 < Rob235> hmm so its 'gone around' earth 5 times
2016-12-08T18:25:32 < Laurenceb> thats just showing off
2016-12-08T18:25:37 < Rob235> 22 days per revolution
2016-12-08T18:25:47 < Laurenceb>  "pro" balloon record is almost 3 years
2016-12-08T18:25:51 < Laurenceb> so some way to go yet
2016-12-08T18:26:02 < Rob235> still, never looked at this stuff so its interesting I guess
2016-12-08T18:26:13 < Laurenceb> in theory with modern packaging materials it should be easy to beat
2016-12-08T18:26:31 < Laurenceb> it seems the tronics tends to die first, the conditions are v nasty
2016-12-08T18:26:49 < Laurenceb>  +30 to -90C temperature swings
2016-12-08T18:26:52 < Rob235> temp? wind? radiation?
2016-12-08T18:26:56 < Laurenceb> temp
2016-12-08T18:27:14 < Laurenceb> also ESD is a big issue, but UBSEDS seem to have that under control
2016-12-08T18:27:22 < Rob235> is there wind up there? I don't know how high that really is
2016-12-08T18:27:44 < Laurenceb> 12 to 14km altitude, yes there is stratospheric vortex
2016-12-08T18:27:50 < Laurenceb> it avoids most of the jet stream
2016-12-08T18:28:10 < Laurenceb> the air is very dry but fairly ionized
2016-12-08T18:28:24 < Laurenceb> so you get crazy voltage buildups on exposed parts
2016-12-08T18:28:40 < Laurenceb> a couple of years ago everyones payloads were going dead after <1 week
2016-12-08T18:28:51 < Laurenceb> turned out it was static
2016-12-08T18:29:00 < Rob235> how is that fixed?
2016-12-08T18:29:12 < Laurenceb> ESD/resistors on exposed antenna
2016-12-08T18:29:20 < Laurenceb>  - ESd diodes
2016-12-08T18:29:33 < upgrdman> == tvs?
2016-12-08T18:29:38 < Laurenceb> also on the panels depending on how they are set up
2016-12-08T18:29:40 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-12-08T18:29:56 < Laurenceb> well, some TVS have low leakage and high triggering voltage
2016-12-08T18:30:07 < Laurenceb> its not quite the situation for TVS
2016-12-08T18:30:24 < Laurenceb> its slow voltage buildup to hundreds of volts
2016-12-08T18:30:37 < Laurenceb> so e.g. 1Mohm to gnd on the main antenna solves the issue
2016-12-08T18:30:46 < upgrdman> nice
2016-12-08T18:31:26 < Laurenceb> but the temperature swing seems to really hammer things after a few months
2016-12-08T18:31:50 < Laurenceb> probably leads to cracked solder joints, but without recovered payloads its hard to say
2016-12-08T18:32:07 < Rob235> board warmer
2016-12-08T18:32:09 < Laurenceb> need some cheap RTG modules
2016-12-08T18:32:30 < Rob235> wrap it in a heated blanket and turn it on when cold :)
2016-12-08T18:32:44  * Laurenceb wonders if google have made any progress with loon
2016-12-08T18:33:41 < Laurenceb> lul wikipedo page is all wrong
2016-12-08T18:33:51 < Laurenceb> The balloon envelopes used in the project are made by Raven Aerostar,[21] and are composed of polyethylene plastic about 0.076 mm (0.0030 in) thick
2016-12-08T18:34:17 < Laurenceb> why the hell would you contract Raven Aerostar to build a glorified polytunnel
2016-12-08T18:34:53 < Laurenceb> actually they are using an uber pro envelope with about 7 layers down to 2µm thickness
2016-12-08T18:35:28 < Laurenceb> but UBSEDS managed to grab themselves some film that was almost as epic
2016-12-08T18:41:09 < Laurenceb> flyback confirmed as templeos guy
2016-12-08T18:41:22 < Steffanx> Laurenceb, your autism kicked in. Dont forgetnot everyone know who or what UBSEDS and the other stuff you mentioned it.
2016-12-08T18:41:32 < aandrew> wow this is pure shit
2016-12-08T18:41:33 < Steffanx> Knows*
2016-12-08T18:41:43 < Steffanx> Is*
2016-12-08T18:41:48 < Steffanx> Damn phone
2016-12-08T18:41:48 < Rob235> :)
2016-12-08T18:41:55 < Laurenceb> ubseds is the thing I linked
2016-12-08T18:42:00 < aandrew> you can generate an SDK for a kinetis chip, tell it to use the Keil IDE and it generates a 100MB zip file... that's NOT a keil pack or project
2016-12-08T18:42:01 < Laurenceb> now you are the autism
2016-12-08T18:42:11 < aandrew> you sitll need to use KDS to pull it in and then I guess you can export to keil
2016-12-08T18:42:14 < aandrew> why the fuck do people use this shit
2016-12-08T18:43:05 < Laurenceb> http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Home/Web/TAD/CIA.html#l1
2016-12-08T18:43:48 < Steffanx> You expect me to read back that far? Im not o6 :p
2016-12-08T18:44:10 < Steffanx> Also: link.. You
2016-12-08T18:45:04 < Laurenceb> The IRA is like the NRA, but for computers
2016-12-08T18:45:31 < Laurenceb> CIA want to ban compilers and make people think HTML is computer programming
2016-12-08T18:46:07 < Rob235> anyone know the story of silk road? I wasn't around for it and was curious how it played out so I bought this book called Silk Road by eileen ormsby.  I hope its a decent story
2016-12-08T18:46:21 < Laurenceb> shitposting intensifies
2016-12-08T18:46:26 < Laurenceb> u man Steffanx
2016-12-08T18:48:10 < Rob235> Not sure if I want to read or code
2016-12-08T18:48:37 < Laurenceb> so read TempleOS blog
2016-12-08T18:48:41 < Rob235> eww
2016-12-08T18:49:06 < Laurenceb> attn flyback  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW_PO8q34dI
2016-12-08T18:49:19 < Rob235> or the art of electronics or some similar book (I have one other recommended book like it)
2016-12-08T18:49:30 < Rob235> too much to do man
2016-12-08T18:51:39 < Rob235> drone it is
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2016-12-08T19:24:56 < aandrew> nope
2016-12-08T19:24:58 < aandrew> can't figure this shit out
2016-12-08T19:25:32 < aandrew> I can't have a Kinetis KS20 with the SDK and whatever in Keil without a lot of fucking work
2016-12-08T19:25:48 < aandrew> I can do it in KDS just fine
2016-12-08T19:26:03 < aandrew> so basically if you're using Keil you're writing all your own drivers from scratch
2016-12-08T19:28:16 < englishman> well, that's how i understand it
2016-12-08T19:28:27 < englishman> the device packs are cmsis headers and info to compile/debug with
2016-12-08T19:28:37 < englishman> ie the arm side of things
2016-12-08T19:28:46 < englishman> but the chip mfg should give peripheral libraries
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2016-12-08T19:41:29 < Rob235> wow adding comments blows!
2016-12-08T19:41:30 < englishman> why is $amd above $10
2016-12-08T19:41:31 < englishman> they suck
2016-12-08T19:41:47 < Rob235> I have none and I'm adding comments to every function now
2016-12-08T19:42:01 < upgrdman_> agreed. is amd's gpu shit bringing in the $?
2016-12-08T19:46:48 < mitrax> karlp: any idea why lowering the sysclock speed from 180Mhz to 168Mhz is affecting the LTDC on F4? it has its own generator for the pixel clock, yet the lcd is loosing sync 
2016-12-08T19:47:19 < Kliment> mitrax: Can you measure the pixel clock?
2016-12-08T19:47:40 < mitrax> not easily no
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2016-12-08T19:57:02 < englishman> upgrdman_: doubtful, nvidia kicks their ass in every category
2016-12-08T20:08:25 < Steffanx> englishman didnt read the news about intel and amd?
2016-12-08T20:08:31 < englishman> uh oh
2016-12-08T20:08:32 < englishman> what?
2016-12-08T20:09:02 < jpa-> mitrax: how many pixels per second is it pushing to the display? maybe you are saturating the AHB bus?
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2016-12-08T20:09:44 < Steffanx> Some rumors about Intel licensing Radeon, englishman
2016-12-08T20:09:58 < Steffanx> for it's integrated GPU.
2016-12-08T20:10:22 < englishman> Intel took a baby step towards AMD’s side of the fence when it announced that future Intel GPUs would be FreeSync-compatible, as opposed to licensing G-Sync technology from Nvidia.
2016-12-08T20:10:25 < englishman> pff
2016-12-08T20:10:31 < englishman> gsync needs to die
2016-12-08T20:10:46 < englishman> this is all bloggosphere speculation
2016-12-08T20:11:09 < Steffanx> Maybe.
2016-12-08T20:11:16 < englishman> In Q3 2016, AMD recorded CPU, APU, and GPU sales of $472 million. In Q3 2011, AMD sold $1.286 billion worth of CPUs and APUs, while graphics alone accounted for $403 million.
2016-12-08T20:11:25 < englishman> wow what a small company
2016-12-08T20:11:43 < englishman> craziness
2016-12-08T20:11:46 < upgrdman_> ya i was gonna say, <$1B, lol
2016-12-08T20:12:16 < upgrdman_> what's intel doing? 50B?
2016-12-08T20:12:41 < englishman> 15.8b same quarter
2016-12-08T20:13:48 < englishman> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/21/amd_q3_2016_screwed/
2016-12-08T20:13:48 < englishman> lol
2016-12-08T20:13:59 < upgrdman_> gotta say, STM stock seems way overpriced right now
2016-12-08T20:14:07 < mitrax> karlp: hmm i guess that could explain why it doesn't happen in 8bpp but does in 24bpp
2016-12-08T20:14:12 < upgrdman_> stm was like $5 now its $10 in like 2 months time
2016-12-08T20:14:49 < mitrax> karlp: 480x272 / 9.6Mhz pixel clock
2016-12-08T20:14:55 < englishman> wow yeah 2x since july
2016-12-08T20:14:56 < upgrdman_> well actually over last 5 months stm went from $5 to $11ish
2016-12-08T20:15:09 < upgrdman_> p/e of 176, lol
2016-12-08T20:15:16 < upgrdman_> is stm the new amazon.com
2016-12-08T20:15:28 < Steffanx> upgrdman_, is into stocks, company value etc?
2016-12-08T20:15:55 < upgrdman_> i invest, but not super hard core. just casually monitor various stocks
2016-12-08T20:16:11 < upgrdman_> i made a lot on stm a couple years ago, almost 40% profit
2016-12-08T20:16:44 < upgrdman_> i should have invested in nvidia a year ago :(
2016-12-08T20:19:39 < Kliment> I have a bunch of F0s hanging on the same i2c bus, is there any way to program them with the stock bootloader via i2c?
2016-12-08T20:20:02 < englishman> doesnt take a genius to know p/e that high of a hardware company is funny
2016-12-08T20:20:10 < upgrdman_> mhmmm
2016-12-08T20:20:17 < englishman> but snapchat? par  forthe course
2016-12-08T20:22:03 < jpa-> ST stock is overinflated because of the rumours of new stm32 cube version which will feature quadruple abstraction levels, more than any other manufacturer
2016-12-08T20:22:23 < mitrax> karlp: that doesn't seem like a lot though
2016-12-08T20:22:42 < englishman> 172 levels of abstraction
2016-12-08T20:22:52 < englishman> *176
2016-12-08T20:23:18 < upgrdman_> api + obfuscator for the same low price!
2016-12-08T20:23:45 < Steffanx> I bet STM's new community helped too.
2016-12-08T20:24:29 < jpa-> mitrax: what ram is your data coming from? external presumably, but SRAM or SDRAM?
2016-12-08T20:24:45 < jpa-> FMC speed is affected by sysclk i think
2016-12-08T20:26:24 < mitrax> SDRAM running at half the sysclock speed, i.e 90Mhz when it works and 84Mhz when it goes out of sync
2016-12-08T20:26:57 < jpa-> how many bits wide data bus going to sdram?
2016-12-08T20:27:01 < mitrax> 16
2016-12-08T20:27:21 < jpa-> hmm so should be plenty fast for 40MB/s
2016-12-08T20:28:47 < Kliment> jpa-: So abstraction levels are the new razor blades?
2016-12-08T20:29:00 < mitrax> ah... seems like a dma issue 
2016-12-08T20:29:12 < jpa-> you could try increasing the FMC latency config by 1 in the working (180MHz) configuration; if that still works then you know it's not the FMC which is being a bottleneck
2016-12-08T20:29:52 < jpa-> Kliment: yeah, they give you the cube for free but every time you get confused you must buy one extra abstraction level.. and they'll keep increasing the price
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2016-12-08T20:30:12 < Kliment> jpa-: cube is not free - you pay with your sanity
2016-12-08T20:30:39 < mitrax> if i halt the mcu what's displayed doesn't go out of sync
2016-12-08T20:31:25 < mitrax> so it seems it's the dma transfer that fails 
2016-12-08T20:31:53 < jpa-> i wonder how the AHB bus works.. if the DMA controller requests something from FMC, and the request has to go to the SDRAM chip, does it block the whole AHB bus in the meantime?
2016-12-08T20:32:03 < jpa-> though it is drawn as a matrix so i guess not
2016-12-08T20:32:13 < jpa-> mitrax: does your cpu code access sdram a lot?
2016-12-08T20:33:03 < mitrax> yeah
2016-12-08T20:33:43 < jpa-> so it would be taking half of the time away from DMA controller.. i guess it boils down to FMC performance
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2016-12-08T20:39:19 < mitrax> yeah i guess, thanks
2016-12-08T20:42:25 < Rob235> in an enum can you have multiple variables for the same value? C
2016-12-08T20:42:42 < jpa-> IIRC yes
2016-12-08T20:42:48 < Steffanx>  yes
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2016-12-08T20:46:18 < Kliment> Anyone know a nice i2c switch?
2016-12-08T20:47:24 < Kliment> 1:2
2016-12-08T20:49:57 < aandrew> yes
2016-12-08T20:50:05 < aandrew> moment let me look up what I used
2016-12-08T20:50:44 < aandrew> TCA9543A
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2016-12-08T20:59:19 < Kliment> aandrew: Thanks
2016-12-08T20:59:58 < mitrax> jpa: come to think of it, it also occurs when i don't do anything else than blitting through dma and nothing else messing with the sdram... weird
2016-12-08T21:00:51 < upgrdman_> what does blit mean? copy?
2016-12-08T21:01:20 < Kliment> upgrdman_: Block copy
2016-12-08T21:01:30 < upgrdman_> k
2016-12-08T21:01:32 < Kliment> upgrdman_: Typically restricted to a rectangular region
2016-12-08T21:02:03 < Kliment> upgrdman_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_blit
2016-12-08T21:03:16 < Rob235> is using a 32bit return value slower than 16bit?
2016-12-08T21:03:38 < Kliment> I don't think so
2016-12-08T21:03:55 < Rob235> ok nice
2016-12-08T21:05:27 < aandrew> shouldn't be
2016-12-08T21:06:03 < Kliment> aandrew: I don't think I can use that switch - I was hoping for one with a single select pin
2016-12-08T21:07:10 < aandrew> Kliment: oh
2016-12-08T21:07:14 < aandrew> no this is an I2C controlled I2C switch
2016-12-08T21:07:45 < Kliment> aandrew: Yeah, my fallback option is to switch power
2016-12-08T21:08:09 < mitrax> uh oh, definitely FMC related :)
2016-12-08T21:08:24 < mitrax> i had read burst mode disabled for the sdram
2016-12-08T21:11:14 < mitrax> problem is gone
2016-12-08T21:13:35 < mitrax> jpa/karlp: thanks a lot
2016-12-08T21:16:34 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/c29e422a1fc66bce1e8de05c8460d544cf0c6902eaa3628ebbf0a19057096304.jpg
2016-12-08T21:17:11 < mitrax> silly me for not spotting that earlier, it makes a ton of difference, my gui is much smoother now :p
2016-12-08T21:22:24 < aandrew> what the fuck
2016-12-08T21:22:28 < aandrew> dammit Laurenceb 
2016-12-08T21:22:44 < Laurenceb> lulz
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2016-12-08T23:00:21 < jadew> there's this local components shop, it has all the capacitors listed with MF instead of uF
2016-12-08T23:01:02 < jadew> http://conexelectronic.ro/ro/292-condensatori-electrolitici
2016-12-08T23:01:04 < Kliment> Mega?
2016-12-08T23:01:11 < jadew> it always takes me a while to figure out what's going on
2016-12-08T23:01:26 < BrainDamage> old-ass us-ian marking
2016-12-08T23:01:34 < upgrdman_> .ro == romainia?
2016-12-08T23:01:39 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-08T23:01:41 < BrainDamage> us in th 60s used MF for microfarad
2016-12-08T23:01:51 < jadew> hah, didn't know that
2016-12-08T23:01:51 < BrainDamage> and MMF for picofarad
2016-12-08T23:01:57 < Kliment> BrainDamage: What did they use for millifarads?
2016-12-08T23:02:07 < jadew> kMF obviously
2016-12-08T23:02:12 < BrainDamage> .... yes
2016-12-08T23:02:15 < jadew> lol
2016-12-08T23:02:17 < jadew> really?
2016-12-08T23:02:57 < BrainDamage> there is a reason why the rest of the world makes fun of us units
2016-12-08T23:04:34 < jadew> found the one I'm looking for, 10 Mega Farads @ 400 V
2016-12-08T23:04:49 < jadew> turns out my lamp hasn't been operating in parameters for years
2016-12-08T23:05:10 < jadew> I just thought that's how shitty it is
2016-12-08T23:06:14 < Kliment> BrainDamage: and yet we all measure our traces in mils and our components in centi-inches
2016-12-08T23:06:53 < BrainDamage> and screen diagonals in inches and resolution in dots per inches
2016-12-08T23:06:54 < jadew> but it suddenly started outputting more light than usual so I opened it up and sure enough the 10 Mega Farad cap was measuring only 0.006 Mega Farads
2016-12-08T23:08:06 < jadew> Kliment, maybe you, I measure my traces in mm
2016-12-08T23:08:35 < jadew> mils have no meaning for me
2016-12-08T23:08:56 < BrainDamage> oh and air conditioners here are expressed in "BTU" ( they actually mean BTU/h )
2016-12-08T23:09:19 < BrainDamage> because apparently using W for both electrical and termal power would be too confusing
2016-12-08T23:09:52 < jadew> more like they don't want regular joe to figure out how to calculate efficency
2016-12-08T23:10:23 < BrainDamage> well, if you know how tomake a division, adding a multiplication isn't conceptually too hard
2016-12-08T23:11:50 < jadew> I suppose you can divide one number by the other and still get relative numbers
2016-12-08T23:12:08 < BrainDamage> yes but it's not as elegant as a 0-1 number
2016-12-08T23:12:15 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-08T23:12:22 < BrainDamage> especially since you won't know what maps to 100% efficiency
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2016-12-08T23:12:51 < BrainDamage> at least here engine power is required to be specified in W along to pony units
2016-12-08T23:13:06 < jadew> I think it's the same here
2016-12-08T23:13:12 < Kliment> I like how a modern horse has about 2hp
2016-12-08T23:13:26 < jadew> in fact IIRC on my car's documents only the W is specified
2016-12-08T23:13:39 < jadew> Kliment, haha
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2016-12-09T01:06:46 < Laurenceb_> I was thinking of doing a remake of the vanilla ice ninja turtle rap
2016-12-09T01:06:56 < Laurenceb_> an Al Assad rap
2016-12-09T01:07:06 < Laurenceb_> go assad go assad, go
2016-12-09T01:07:41 < Laurenceb_> Based Assad gunna kill those jihadis
2016-12-09T01:08:10 < Laurenceb_> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TuY46B1UiyQ/hqdefault.jpg
2016-12-09T01:10:18 < Laurenceb_> wtf I dont even
2016-12-09T01:10:20 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1795343078/fipy-the-worlds-first-5-network-iot-dev-board?token=0a9872c6
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2016-12-09T02:27:47 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgtc.com/xzzIU5f.jpg
2016-12-09T02:50:09 < Rob235> pick a variable name for me. to represent a return value that means like outcome, result, status but is none of those 3 :P
2016-12-09T02:53:10 < jadew> out
2016-12-09T02:53:52 < jadew> altho, I wouldn't use that
2016-12-09T02:53:54 < Rob235> oh I didn't mean variable name, oops, I meant description
2016-12-09T02:54:14 < Rob235> a synonym of the 3 that mostly represents outcome, I guess I just dont like the word outcome :)
2016-12-09T02:54:31 < jadew> what's wrong with result?
2016-12-09T02:54:33 < Rob235> I might just use status
2016-12-09T02:54:46 < jadew> status implies a current state
2016-12-09T02:54:47 < Rob235> its not a computation
2016-12-09T02:55:05 < Rob235> its just if a function resulted in an error or succeeded
2016-12-09T02:55:24 < jadew> success status
2016-12-09T02:55:45 < Rob235> yea status im thinkin
2016-12-09T02:57:00 < englishman> bagel
2016-12-09T02:57:29 < Rob235> thats good!
2016-12-09T02:57:59 < jadew> is "keyd" the correct word for something that has keys?
2016-12-09T02:59:17 < Rob235> not sure, I would guess it would be keyed
2016-12-09T03:00:29 < jadew> thanks, that's why I was asking
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2016-12-09T03:18:04 < [7]> if you were to develop a "smart home" communication network, with a couple of sensors, buttons/switches and actors (especially 12V-based LED lights etc.), and there should be both a wired and wireless communication system, interconnected by one (or ideally multiple) hub(s), which also provide LAN connectivity, what kind of technology/protocols would you use for the wired and wireless communication? it should be flexible but also low-cost
2016-12-09T03:18:19 < Laurenceb_> probably wifi to be honest
2016-12-09T03:18:26 < englishman> a midget with a long stick
2016-12-09T03:18:28 < Laurenceb_> good enough and with esp32 its easy
2016-12-09T03:18:33 < [7]> for the wired part I'm pondering to use CAN or RS485 or something, the wireless would probably be NRF24L01+ based
2016-12-09T03:18:42 < englishman> yes wifi, we need a botnet of light switches
2016-12-09T03:18:48 < Laurenceb_> hehe
2016-12-09T03:18:52 < englishman> 13 billion strong botnet
2016-12-09T03:19:13 < Laurenceb_> or just press the light switches
2016-12-09T03:19:18 < englishman> too easy
2016-12-09T03:19:25 < [7]> Laurenceb_: hm, for power and cost reasons I'd rather have one central LAN/wifi to <something> bridging point
2016-12-09T03:19:41 < [7]> some sensors would probably be battery operated
2016-12-09T03:19:56 < [7]> and a portable controller (which isn't a smartphone) would also be nice
2016-12-09T03:20:33 < [7]> given CAN and RS485 as options for the wired interconnect, which one would you chose? or would you propose something entirely different?
2016-12-09T03:20:57 < upgrdman__> CAN has high overhead
2016-12-09T03:21:13 < upgrdman__> and is slow (few CAN things to >1Mbps)
2016-12-09T03:21:35 < upgrdman__> but CAN is nicer since it has built in addressing, CRC, etc.
2016-12-09T03:22:31 < upgrdman__> if your sensors dont pass much data, CAN should be nice. rememeber that max payload per CAN message is 8 bytes
2016-12-09T03:22:42 < Laurenceb_> we used to use RS485 for sat comms
2016-12-09T03:22:50 < Laurenceb_> when we weren't using AHB  :P
2016-12-09T03:23:10 < upgrdman__> Laurenceb_, are there any rs485 transeivers that do >10Mbps?
2016-12-09T03:23:18 < upgrdman__> well any readily available ones
2016-12-09T03:23:19 < Laurenceb_> dunno sorry
2016-12-09T03:23:22 < upgrdman__> k
2016-12-09T03:23:49 < Laurenceb_> never used it past 101kbps
2016-12-09T03:24:21 < upgrdman__> lol. "AHB or 101kbps" ... quite a difference
2016-12-09T03:26:48 < Laurenceb_> yeah that was v mad
2016-12-09T03:27:00 < Laurenceb_>  "I know lets just run the AHB onto the pcb"
2016-12-09T03:27:23 < Laurenceb_> peripherals and shit?? just stick an FPGA straight on
2016-12-09T03:27:32 < Laurenceb_> of course it broke and ARM laughed at us
2016-12-09T03:27:46 < upgrdman__> cortex-a?
2016-12-09T03:28:46 < Laurenceb_> no m
2016-12-09T03:28:51 < Laurenceb_> or at least when I saw it
2016-12-09T03:29:11 < Laurenceb_> I wasnt the VHDL monkey who was pissing ARM off :P
2016-12-09T03:29:34 < upgrdman__> how would you connect AHB to gpio?
2016-12-09T03:29:38 < Laurenceb_> ARM were like  "WTF are these lunatic n00bs pestering us with their stupid shit"
2016-12-09T03:30:06 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman__: by connecting it straight to the pins cuz you are too lazy to write any VHDL
2016-12-09T03:30:29 < upgrdman__> ? making an ASIC with Cortex-M IP?
2016-12-09T03:30:48 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-12-09T03:30:51 < upgrdman__> ohhhh. o
2016-12-09T03:31:43  * [7] was already wondering whether it was a zync FPGA part just used to break out the system bus to pins and do stuff externally ;)
2016-12-09T03:31:52 < [7]> zynq*
2016-12-09T03:31:55 < Laurenceb_> yeah space rated GPS, but with half baked ASIC connected to external FPGA for configurable features
2016-12-09T03:35:52 < sync> haha Laurenceb_ that sounds like a good idea
2016-12-09T03:36:40 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/otTDL3u.jpg
2016-12-09T03:36:53 < Laurenceb_> hardware
2016-12-09T03:38:07 < Laurenceb_> it wasn't working when I left the company but I heard they made it work with different IO drive IP and PCB layout fiddles
2016-12-09T03:38:45 < sync> nice
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2016-12-09T03:39:50 < Laurenceb_> basically it used cheapish low/variable quality FR4 and had to run over extended temperature range, which would screw the impedance matching at temperature extremes and the bus would error
2016-12-09T03:40:44 < sync> that doesn't sound very smart
2016-12-09T03:41:27 < [7]> it doesn't indeed, even in general for HF stuff, but especially with your system bus broken out to the PCB :P
2016-12-09T03:41:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah management sillyness
2016-12-09T03:41:55 < englishman> note that the company became successful after Laurenceb_ left
2016-12-09T03:41:56 < Laurenceb_>  "we are just using cheap shit to prototype"
2016-12-09T03:42:10 < englishman> correlation = causation
2016-12-09T03:42:52 < [7]> Laurenceb_: better than using good quality to prototype and then shipping cheap shit into the field
2016-12-09T03:42:53 < Laurenceb_>  "manager: yeah but make it work with the cheap shit then it will def work in worst case"
2016-12-09T03:43:07 < [7]> there's some truth to that
2016-12-09T03:43:07 < Laurenceb_>  [7] you think like the management :P
2016-12-09T03:43:30 < [7]> cheaping out *after* testing is a MUCH worse idea at least :P
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2016-12-09T03:49:24 < KreAture_Zzz> anyone had any experience with FreeRTOS hardfaulting when debugging but is fine with -Os
2016-12-09T03:49:37 < KreAture_Zzz> not sure if it is memory or codesize issue ?
2016-12-09T03:49:58 < KreAture_Zzz> it's not crossing the flash limit though
2016-12-09T03:50:11 < KreAture_Zzz> using around 4k of the 20k sram too
2016-12-09T03:50:19 < Laurenceb_> not of FreeRTOS but of code in general
2016-12-09T03:50:30 < Laurenceb_> code with no optimisation failing horribly
2016-12-09T03:50:40 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-12-09T03:50:46 < KreAture_Zzz> It's a tad odd
2016-12-09T03:50:53 < Laurenceb_> you would think it would be the other way round
2016-12-09T03:51:09 < Laurenceb_> never seen GCC produce junk apart from when I've turned optimisation off
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2016-12-09T03:51:39  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-12-09T03:52:07 < KreAture_Zzz> well
2016-12-09T03:52:58 < KreAture_Zzz> the new gcc is so clever it even realizes what sections are being referenced even though they are passed in arrays and structs as pointers and fired off from isr's
2016-12-09T03:53:03 < KreAture_Zzz> very nice
2016-12-09T03:53:21 < KreAture_Zzz> was a bit hard to understand though as one of my functions were in the discarded section
2016-12-09T03:53:22 < KreAture_Zzz> LOL
2016-12-09T03:53:43 < KreAture_Zzz> turned out I had not enabled the interrupt and that was enough to never call it, how did it know it was then not needed ?
2016-12-09T03:55:12 < [7]> KreAture_Zzz: stack overflow?
2016-12-09T03:55:21 < KreAture_Zzz> I looked for that too
2016-12-09T03:55:32 < KreAture_Zzz> it seemed to happen when it called the vsnprintf code
2016-12-09T03:55:43 < [7]> field alignment assumptions in structs?
2016-12-09T03:55:52 < KreAture_Zzz> may just have been there it got every time when a int fired or something
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2016-12-09T03:55:58 < KreAture_Zzz> nope
2016-12-09T03:56:21 < KreAture_Zzz> anyway, will look into it more later, tomorrow I gotta do some code for the commandprotocols first
2016-12-09T03:56:22 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-12-09T03:56:47 < KreAture_Zzz> Been pondering what is the correct way to use dma for usart in a task in FreeRTOS though
2016-12-09T03:57:18 < KreAture_Zzz> let isr receive a complete interrupt from dma and schedule new transfer, or let the thread shedule a new one
2016-12-09T03:57:49 < KreAture_Zzz> In the end I did a queue for the thread and let the isr trigger new reception and commit the buffers to the queue
2016-12-09T03:57:53 < KreAture_Zzz> seems to work fine
2016-12-09T03:58:05 < KreAture_Zzz> will do the same on the transmit I think
2016-12-09T03:58:32 < [7]> UART DMA RX is nasty if you don't know the amount of data to receive in advance
2016-12-09T03:58:45 < KreAture_Zzz> aha
2016-12-09T03:58:50 < KreAture_Zzz> but I have a clever trick there
2016-12-09T03:59:00 < KreAture_Zzz> I have a timer create a timeout
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2016-12-09T03:59:09 < KreAture_Zzz> this triggers stopping the dma
2016-12-09T03:59:22 < KreAture_Zzz> after dma is stopped it looks at what was received and commits only that to queue
2016-12-09T03:59:26 < KreAture_Zzz> then restarts dma
2016-12-09T03:59:39 < [7]> if you can tolerate the latency that might be an option
2016-12-09T03:59:47 < KreAture_Zzz> if nothing was received it commits nothing and simply resets timeout intervall
2016-12-09T04:00:02 < KreAture_Zzz> 1ms is fine hehe
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2016-12-09T04:02:41 < KreAture_Zzz> Shame you can't filter the data from the usart before dma transfer though
2016-12-09T04:02:48 < KreAture_Zzz> trigger on certain values etc
2016-12-09T04:02:52 < KreAture_Zzz> detect crlf
2016-12-09T04:02:53 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2016-12-09T04:02:58 < KreAture_Zzz> That'd be nice
2016-12-09T04:09:07 < [7]> KreAture_Zzz: well you kinda sorta can
2016-12-09T04:09:20 < [7]> either by handling each byte before the bulk of the data starts in an IRQ
2016-12-09T04:09:39 < [7]> or by (ab)using this "address detection" feature of the UART
2016-12-09T04:36:44 < aandrew> I've never used DMA for UART
2016-12-09T04:36:52 < dongs> wut
2016-12-09T04:36:58 < aandrew> I use a FIFO with an ISR
2016-12-09T04:37:25 < dongs> if you setup circular rx DMA you basically have a free fifo to grab data from
2016-12-09T04:38:30 < aandrew> RX interrupt loops, stuffing data into the FIFO until there are no more chars, TX interrupt pulls data out of a FIFO and into HW until the FIFO's empty or HW can't accept more, then disables TX int
2016-12-09T04:38:53 < aandrew> dongs: right, just never done it before
2016-12-09T04:39:23 < dongs> < aandrew> RX interrupt loops, stuffing data into the FIFO until there are no more chars,
2016-12-09T04:39:29 < dongs> what if you're at 480600 baud
2016-12-09T04:39:38 < dongs> 'thats a lot of interrupts
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2016-12-09T04:40:27 < englishman> no wonder pebble went bankrupt
2016-12-09T04:40:37 < dongs> why?
2016-12-09T04:40:44 < englishman> aandrew
2016-12-09T04:40:51 < dongs> oh did he troll them to death?
2016-12-09T04:40:57 < englishman> he wrote all their software
2016-12-09T04:41:00 < dongs> haha
2016-12-09T04:41:01 < aandrew> dongs: well that's why I loop in the ISR until there's no more, btu at high baudrates that is a very good point
2016-12-09T04:41:22 < aandrew> lol no, I wrote the low level stuff for their very first model when they were allerta
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2016-12-09T04:46:23 < dongs> trollerta
2016-12-09T04:50:03 < englishman> holy shit linkedin has 10k employees
2016-12-09T04:50:05 < englishman> what do they do all day
2016-12-09T04:50:14 < dekar> I've been thinking about getting one of those DSO 203 pocket scopes, do the cases relate to the hardware revision?
2016-12-09T04:55:48 < ohsix> boop
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2016-12-09T06:02:53 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/8fJsYGB.gifv
2016-12-09T06:03:09 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/MassAppeal/status/807047804359155713
2016-12-09T06:03:40 < ohsix> upgrdman: boing
2016-12-09T06:03:43 < ohsix> needs more gore
2016-12-09T06:04:41 < upgrdman> proper way to replace smartphone battery  https://gfycat.com/UnfitBrilliantFoxhound
2016-12-09T06:13:51 < upgrdman> ohsix, this better?  http://i.imgur.com/dzsP7kI.gifv
2016-12-09T06:14:37 < upgrdman> ok, here's a quality shitpost  https://gfycat.com/PerfectClumsyGar
2016-12-09T06:15:25 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/JustinRoiland/status/807055221872414721
2016-12-09T06:16:18 < dongs> wtf is that shit
2016-12-09T06:16:51 < ohsix> people always be trying to get famous with drills in their noses and shit
2016-12-09T06:17:57 < ohsix> that last one looks like a clip from a dahir insaat video
2016-12-09T06:20:36 < ohsix> lul
2016-12-09T06:20:51 < ohsix> ps2 emulator on the lunix offers to use my laptops accelerometer as an input
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2016-12-09T06:52:26 < dongs> http://rtnvideo1.appledaily.com.tw/mcp/encode/2016/12/08/3226691/1007055_360p.mp4
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2016-12-09T06:57:12 < dongs> nice
2016-12-09T06:57:15 < dongs> nexus7 emmc is readable
2016-12-09T06:57:19 < dongs> with like 20 partitions wtf lunix
2016-12-09T06:57:24 < ohsix> lolwut
2016-12-09T06:57:25 < ohsix> Dec 08 20:57:03 pro bluetoothd[960]: sixaxis: compatible device connected: PLAYSTATION(R)3 Controller (054C:0268)
2016-12-09T06:57:37 < ohsix> bluetoothd claims usb hid device (???)
2016-12-09T06:59:00 < dongs> nice, crc errors which is probly why it doesnt boot
2016-12-09T07:02:57 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i used a ps3 controller with my fagbook pro to playing super nintendo emulator shitz
2016-12-09T07:03:17 < upgrdman> like 2 years ago
2016-12-09T07:03:28 < upgrdman> i should see if it'll pair with my win10 box now
2016-12-09T07:06:01 < ohsix> i guess it is for roundtripping the real thing, which could be hooked up via usb or bluetooth, and applications might only talk to bluez
2016-12-09T07:11:30 < ohsix> heh upower sees the battery too
2016-12-09T07:11:44 < ohsix> weird. i jus tused it before, didn't know all this stuff was wired up, p. nice
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2016-12-09T07:22:11 < stvn> the super nintendo
2016-12-09T07:22:44 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/322302072233 well thats certainly cheaper than buying 16gb emmc and wasting time soldering it back on to the board
2016-12-09T07:23:34 < dongs> plus if I put a fresh emmc on teh shit i'd have to instal lsome bullshit pirated qualcomm tools
2016-12-09T07:23:37 < dongs> to initialize it
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2016-12-09T07:43:32 < Kliment> dongs: maybe you can reflow a µsd caonto the board like an lga
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2016-12-09T07:49:11 < Kliment> card*
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2016-12-09T07:54:14 < jpa-> mitrax: :)
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2016-12-09T08:22:47 < ohsix> Vlogger PewDiePie has suggested that YouTube is sabotaging his channel because he is white.
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2016-12-09T08:31:13 < stvn> good job faggot, ya dun goofed!
2016-12-09T08:32:17 < ohsix> youtube stuff is funny
2016-12-09T08:32:33 < ohsix> passive aggressively throwing your millions in revenue for google around
2016-12-09T08:32:51 < Spirit532> pewdiepie is cancer with a voice
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2016-12-09T08:32:55 < Spirit532> rich cancer with a voice
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2016-12-09T08:33:20 < ohsix> don't really have an opinion about it
2016-12-09T08:33:27 < stvn> a shekel for the good goy
2016-12-09T08:34:22 < stvn> let's make youtube great again
2016-12-09T08:39:06 < stvn> ']
2016-12-09T08:39:26 < stvn> sorry just cleaning beer out of my keyboard
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2016-12-09T08:49:02 < ohsix> lul
2016-12-09T08:49:03 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/PodAwful/status/806991845876203524
2016-12-09T08:49:20 < ohsix> she's a nutter, didn't know https://twitter.com/therealroseanne
2016-12-09T08:58:22 < stvn> does she own a mechanical keyboard
2016-12-09T08:58:49 < Tectu> stvn, go get to work
2016-12-09T08:59:18 < stvn> hi tec2
2016-12-09T08:59:21 < stvn> how are you mate?
2016-12-09T08:59:25 < Tectu> hi there, sport
2016-12-09T08:59:28 < stvn> :D
2016-12-09T08:59:31 < Tectu> I'm well, thanks. how about there?
2016-12-09T08:59:38 < stvn> i miss fort myers beach
2016-12-09T08:59:46 < Tectu> I miss you
2016-12-09T08:59:47 < stvn> just sent out 10 jobs
2016-12-09T08:59:50 < stvn> me 2 tec2
2016-12-09T09:04:05 < stvn> dog is inspecting my workbench for food
2016-12-09T09:15:35 < Kliment> heh, hackaday, "all four corners of the globe"
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2016-12-09T10:34:57 < stvn> Tectu, what are you embedding today?
2016-12-09T10:36:56 < jpa-> his dick
2016-12-09T10:37:59 < stvn> oh hi jpa- i was concerned you couldn't hear me
2016-12-09T10:38:26 < stvn> thanks for the casual humour
2016-12-09T10:38:33 < stvn> i could really use a laugh today
2016-12-09T10:41:59 < stvn> all the chickens are coming home to roost
2016-12-09T10:42:24 < stvn> i can say that for my business partner
2016-12-09T10:42:54 < mitrax> what's happening to him?
2016-12-09T10:43:05 < stvn> the world is turning on him
2016-12-09T10:43:44 < mitrax> why? 
2016-12-09T10:43:48 < stvn> he sold a client something that needed work, and when it started failing it was back in his hands at the worst possible time
2016-12-09T10:45:04 < mitrax> what was it if i may ask?
2016-12-09T10:45:10 < stvn> a DJ mixer
2016-12-09T10:46:20 < ohsix> :| i somehow nuked my psx->usb adapters
2016-12-09T10:46:20 < mitrax> bah it's not like if it had been some super expensive equipment is it?
2016-12-09T10:46:26 < stvn> as a tech of 15 years I understand murphy and he understand me
2016-12-09T10:46:46 < stvn> mitrax, i'm sure he could pick a spare up after 40 minutes driving somewhere....
2016-12-09T10:47:06 < mitrax> stvn: yeah... one is never too paranoid
2016-12-09T10:48:14 < stvn> i pray i can become an engineer by the time i'm 70 at this rate
2016-12-09T10:50:32 < stvn> i haven't even had a chance to play with embedded systems in months
2016-12-09T10:51:26 < mitrax> all those shekels put into Keil for nothing
2016-12-09T10:51:33 < stvn> nah
2016-12-09T10:51:46 < stvn> keil is great
2016-12-09T10:51:59 < stvn> and i'm sure its not getting cheaper
2016-12-09T10:52:11 < mitrax> if you have time use it :p
2016-12-09T10:52:15 < mitrax> err time to use it
2016-12-09T10:52:17 < stvn> soon enough charlie
2016-12-09T10:52:36 < stvn> unfortunately i became a babysitter for people who make really terrible mistakes
2016-12-09T10:52:41 < stvn> frequently..... it would seem
2016-12-09T10:53:01 < mitrax> coworkers?
2016-12-09T10:53:12 < stvn> business partner #1
2016-12-09T10:53:47 < stvn> i have pink LEDs now
2016-12-09T10:53:53 < mitrax> and you didn't know he was unreliable?
2016-12-09T10:54:12 < stvn> i knew he was dumb
2016-12-09T10:54:29 < stvn> but smart enough to drive around and talk shit 50 hours a week
2016-12-09T10:54:49 < mitrax> ahah
2016-12-09T10:54:54 < stvn> has no problem closing a sale
2016-12-09T10:55:48 < mitrax> i guess he just has to learn not to sell shit that doesn't work 
2016-12-09T10:55:52 < stvn> unfortunately when it comes to straight talking he cant switch from sales spiel mode
2016-12-09T10:56:05 < stvn> was his own personal sale so lol to him
2016-12-09T10:56:41 < mitrax> i fucking hate sales people
2016-12-09T10:56:46 < stvn> same
2016-12-09T10:56:55 < stvn> 'there is always a reason why'
2016-12-09T10:57:01 < stvn> that should be written on the wall here
2016-12-09T10:58:04 < stvn> welcome back anyway mitrax
2016-12-09T10:59:29 < kakimir> I just lifted above poverity limit
2016-12-09T10:59:42 < kakimir> 1k on my bank
2016-12-09T10:59:42 < mitrax> :) i gave SteffanX a break for a few months
2016-12-09T11:00:04 < stvn> haha mitrax 
2016-12-09T11:00:11 < stvn> but we need peterM back
2016-12-09T11:00:33 < stvn> dongs told PeterM LeelooMinai was actually a man
2016-12-09T11:02:28 < mitrax> reminds me of something that happened many years back on Efnet in a programming channel, we had a regular from Thailand that pretended to be a girl, and some other guy started flirting in privmsg and ended up having cam sex with "her"
2016-12-09T11:02:44 < stvn> and a big fat
2016-12-09T11:02:45 < stvn> dick
2016-12-09T11:02:48 < stvn> flopped out.....
2016-12-09T11:02:49 < mitrax> yeah :D
2016-12-09T11:03:01 < stvn> that was me..........                                                         jk
2016-12-09T11:03:03 < mitrax> and he was like "but... she's a girl, she has boobs!"
2016-12-09T11:04:16 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-09T11:04:16 < dongs> mitrax: #winprog, jasabella?
2016-12-09T11:04:22 < mitrax> OH FUCK
2016-12-09T11:04:23 < mitrax> yes !!!
2016-12-09T11:04:25 < dongs> lmao
2016-12-09T11:04:30 < stvn> is that where the trap is now?
2016-12-09T11:04:38 < mitrax> actually it wasn't #winprog but #win32 but she was in #winprog too
2016-12-09T11:04:43 < dongs> http://pbx.mine.nu/random/jasabeLOL3.jpg
2016-12-09T11:04:45 < dongs> same shit
2016-12-09T11:04:53 < mitrax> i have that one on my hdd too ahahaha
2016-12-09T11:05:02 < stvn> ty for this valuable piece of irc history dongs 
2016-12-09T11:05:23 < dongs>  41521 Dec 12  2004 jasabeLOL3.jpg
2016-12-09T11:05:25 < dongs> this is some ancient stuff
2016-12-09T11:05:35 < mitrax> but that was like in 2004
2016-12-09T11:05:35 < mitrax> yeah
2016-12-09T11:06:28 < BrainDamage> i have a friend irl that cybered with someone that turned out to be a trans, he sent us pics of "it", he was pretty shocked ( as well as complained that "it" had it bigger than his ), as good friends as we are ofc we never let him forget and regularry remind him every now and then
2016-12-09T11:07:10 < dongs> http://pbx.mine.nu/random/wtc-photo.jpg this is the oldest file on there from 2002
2016-12-09T11:07:10 < stvn> i know a guy who went on a holiday to thailand and ended up finding his 'girl for the night' was a man... wasn't too fussed, just let 'her' suck him off on a boat
2016-12-09T11:07:46 < dongs> looks like dixus7 emmc is reading nicely
2016-12-09T11:07:49 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: why not call all humans "it" for consistency?
2016-12-09T11:07:52 < dongs> 75% in at 24meg/sec
2016-12-09T11:08:52 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: because facial features were something a bit androgynous and assigning one gender or the other would've been difficult in this case
2016-12-09T11:09:07 < stvn> where's hackkitten mate
2016-12-09T11:09:43 < stvn> i was under belief that any 'woman' on irc had a cock
2016-12-09T11:10:08 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: I understand the reasoning but calling somebody "it" is sort of dehumanising, and that can be problematic.
2016-12-09T11:10:13 < stvn> primarily cause the real ones got 1000 creepy privmsgs every time they joined a channel
2016-12-09T11:10:30 < mitrax> LeelooMinai: well *everytime* i came across a "woman" in programming channels, it turned out to be a tranny
2016-12-09T11:10:39 < stvn> nice research there mitrax 
2016-12-09T11:10:44 < Kliment> mitrax: Why do you give two shits anyway?
2016-12-09T11:10:46 < stvn> you should submit a paper
2016-12-09T11:11:16 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: in this case "it" has been an asshole for not going clear from the start with my friend, i don't feel much remorse for doing so
2016-12-09T11:11:24 < stvn> LeelooMinai, of course
2016-12-09T11:11:26 < kakimir> I'm scared that I have some kind of trap/trans magnetism
2016-12-09T11:11:44 < kakimir> and girl I pick up is actually man or was man
2016-12-09T11:12:07 < jpa-> i'd expect you to be diamagnetic
2016-12-09T11:12:07 < mitrax> LeelooMinai: maybe, but i seriously doubt it
2016-12-09T11:12:43 < kakimir> jpa-: what is difference in your VESC to original?
2016-12-09T11:12:49 < jpa-> lol :D
2016-12-09T11:13:02 < jpa-> it has capacitors on board instead of separately
2016-12-09T11:13:23 < kakimir> is it open source?
2016-12-09T11:13:30 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: you imply all people should know and use something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geekcode but for their gender/sex/sexual/visual identities and preferences?
2016-12-09T11:13:33 < Kliment> kakimir: Fortunately you get to choose who you "pick up"
2016-12-09T11:13:58 < stvn> LeelooMinai, they took you seriously before ohsix transmitted autism to you
2016-12-09T11:13:59 < jpa-> kakimir: i think i haven't put it up anywhere
2016-12-09T11:14:07 < Kliment> jpa-: Wouldn't that be bi-magnetic? :P
2016-12-09T11:14:07 < kakimir> fortunatelly there is a game of deceit
2016-12-09T11:14:13 < dongs> < mitrax> LeelooMinai: well *everytime* i came across a "woman" in programming channels, it turned out to be a tranny
2016-12-09T11:14:14 < ohsix> triangle car sign, caps on board
2016-12-09T11:14:16 < dongs> tru fax
2016-12-09T11:14:21 < kakimir> jpa-: I don't think I would actually ever build it
2016-12-09T11:14:22 < dongs> another thing
2016-12-09T11:14:25 < dongs> everytime that happened
2016-12-09T11:14:28 < dongs> half the channel got thier dicks up
2016-12-09T11:14:34 < dongs> throwing all the attention at the "woman"
2016-12-09T11:14:35 < dongs> lolol
2016-12-09T11:14:38 < mitrax> exactly
2016-12-09T11:14:47 < stvn> lul
2016-12-09T11:14:52 < kakimir> what is the conclusion
2016-12-09T11:14:53 < Kliment> dongs: got their dongs up you mean
2016-12-09T11:14:53 < stvn> pumpers love trannys
2016-12-09T11:14:58 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: i wasn't aware such thing existed, but it seems a bit over the top, language is contextual and one can provide clarification if ambiguity arises
2016-12-09T11:15:00 < ohsix> mitrax: did you use another nick?
2016-12-09T11:15:02 < mitrax> if you come on irc to get help, you'll most likely get it if you pretend to be a woman
2016-12-09T11:15:04 < stvn> got that evidence off encyclopedia dramatica
2016-12-09T11:15:10 < kakimir> channel is full of trannys right?
2016-12-09T11:15:13 < mitrax> ohsix: zygron
2016-12-09T11:15:14 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-09T11:15:26 < kakimir> I knew it
2016-12-09T11:15:29 < kakimir> works>
2016-12-09T11:15:31 < ohsix> mitrax: hm, don't remember
2016-12-09T11:15:33 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-09T11:15:42 < ohsix> wasn't on #win32 but #winprog when jasabella was new
2016-12-09T11:15:47 < jpa-> mitrax: another great way is to state "i hate linux, it's not possible to do XYZ"
2016-12-09T11:15:48 < ohsix> haven't been there in a ton of years
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2016-12-09T11:15:55 < steffany> can one of you cunts write me a program?
2016-12-09T11:16:01 < ohsix> several
2016-12-09T11:16:16 < ohsix> jpa- is onto something
2016-12-09T11:16:31  * steffany needs to be fucked
2016-12-09T11:16:33 < ohsix> generally start slagging stuff off or saying something wrong
2016-12-09T11:16:46 < ohsix> people correcting other people is a powerful force on the internet
2016-12-09T11:17:15 < mitrax> ohsix: i was in #winprog back when Burn was writing winamp, that was 96 or 97, but then i moved to another channel
2016-12-09T11:17:52 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-09T11:18:13 < mitrax> winprog was too crowded :)
2016-12-09T11:18:51 < ohsix> was cramping my style, just being a dick all day
2016-12-09T11:19:10 < ohsix> it helped that ~everyone was worth being a dick to, trying to figure out how to build sdbot or some type of malware
2016-12-09T11:19:28 < mitrax> ahahah
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2016-12-09T11:20:19 < stvn> well that did a fat load of good
2016-12-09T11:20:26 < jpa-> i just found out that Steffanx is so burger that the dutch government has assigned him a Burger Service Number
2016-12-09T11:20:28 < ohsix> i no rite
2016-12-09T11:20:49 < stvn> hmmm
2016-12-09T11:20:55 < stvn> dunno what that means tho
2016-12-09T11:22:26 < ohsix> mitrax: i just met one of my pals from winprog this year
2016-12-09T11:22:35 < stvn> big dick?\
2016-12-09T11:23:07 < ohsix> one of the most cynical and young at the time but he's kewl now
2016-12-09T11:23:40 < ohsix> he thanked me for being on winprog and unemployed (lewl) cuz he had shit family problems he's been out of for the last few years
2016-12-09T11:23:40 < stvn> cool man
2016-12-09T11:23:48 < stvn> i'm a NEET
2016-12-09T11:24:31 < stvn> i'm gonna try and get on government payments for IIA
2016-12-09T11:24:49 < ohsix> er oh, had lots of time for chats that is, most of everyone really
2016-12-09T11:26:00 < mitrax> ohsix: who is it?
2016-12-09T11:26:20 < ohsix> drano
2016-12-09T11:26:45 < ohsix> the internet was weird then, in retrospect
2016-12-09T11:27:06 < ohsix> social relationships weren't data entry and you actually spoke to people
2016-12-09T11:28:04 < mitrax> yep
2016-12-09T11:29:20 < Kliment> And now all we have are antisocial networks and spam
2016-12-09T11:29:31 < Kliment> And half the "humans" are spambots
2016-12-09T11:29:48 < ohsix> and dongs
2016-12-09T11:30:00 < Kliment> dongs is a spambot/human hybrid
2016-12-09T11:30:01 < ohsix> irc doesn't have the anonymous stooge problem as much
2016-12-09T11:30:06 < Kliment> genetically engineered
2016-12-09T11:30:33 < ohsix> you can easily have a ton of accounts and talk to yourself, use the 'identities' on the platform to overrepresent shit
2016-12-09T11:35:16 < ohsix> hurr yay, after all that shit with the usb adapters, got to fix a busted fedora upgrade
2016-12-09T11:36:45 < stvn> the pumper
2016-12-09T11:38:04 < ohsix> 14000 british soldiers in cyclist batallions in ww1
2016-12-09T11:38:31 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Cyclist_Corps
2016-12-09T11:39:36 < ohsix> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/LTTE_bike_platoon_north_of_Killinochini_may_2004.jpg lul
2016-12-09T11:40:05 < ohsix> sri lanka, and the swiss army maintained a regiment until 2001
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2016-12-09T11:44:46  * stvn gives mitrax a cpu
2016-12-09T11:45:22  * mitrax gives stvn a psu
2016-12-09T11:45:23 < dongs> dixus7 nand recovery: success
2016-12-09T11:45:55 < stvn> so now you can forget about it?
2016-12-09T11:46:07 < dongs> ya
2016-12-09T11:46:17 < dongs> i ordered a replacement mobo for $16
2016-12-09T11:46:33 < stvn>  \o/
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2016-12-09T12:11:49 < stvn> https://vid.me/wDwO
2016-12-09T12:14:07 < dongs> fuckign cunt
2016-12-09T12:21:35 < stvn> the suspected reaction
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2016-12-09T12:24:55 < ohsix> deep learning
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2016-12-09T12:27:05 < stvn> ohsix, have you got c
2016-12-09T12:29:50 < mitrax> stvn: ahahah is that you doing the voiceover?
2016-12-09T12:30:20 < stvn> nope
2016-12-09T12:30:34 < stvn> some drunken fucker i know
2016-12-09T12:30:38 < stvn> he makes fun of anything
2016-12-09T12:43:21 < Steffanx> Lolwut mitrax, gave me a break?
2016-12-09T12:49:11 < Steffanx> I actually never thought of that jpa-. I have to thank yor this. At least you are a Burger of Finland.
2016-12-09T12:49:48 < Steffanx> </o6mode>
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2016-12-09T12:52:34 < jpa-> yay
2016-12-09T12:54:28 < Steffanx> And why jpa- stumbled upon this?
2016-12-09T12:54:50 < Steffanx> Applying for one?
2016-12-09T12:54:58 < jpa-> http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/102485/dutch-burgerservicenummer-bsn-eleven-test
2016-12-09T12:56:06 < dongs> if I have isolated power supply to vdd2 of isolated rs485 transceiver
2016-12-09T12:56:19 < dongs> how can I 'measure' that supply wiht adc without connecting it dierctly to mcu
2016-12-09T12:56:55 < dongs> if I just have a resistor divider there and connect to mcu the isolated part is gone since its back in the circuit now
2016-12-09T12:57:06 < BrainDamage> isolation amplifier
2016-12-09T12:57:41 < dongs> makes sense. thank you.
2016-12-09T12:58:45 < jpa-> or isolated ADC that you connect by e.g. spi
2016-12-09T13:00:15 < dongs> ya its only 2 channels I think, donno if its gonna be worth bringing a separate ADC just for that
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2016-12-09T13:02:03 < jpa-> it's sometimes cheaper than analog isolation amplifiers
2016-12-09T13:02:45 < stvn> mmm
2016-12-09T13:02:51 < stvn> cheep cheep is the word
2016-12-09T13:02:54 < dongs> i'll find out when thet dude starts looking
2016-12-09T13:03:07 < stvn> ones and zeroes are cheap to isolate
2016-12-09T13:04:52 < jpa-> zeros and zeros is even cheaper
2016-12-09T13:05:33 < Steffanx> Better communicate with smoke signals. 
2016-12-09T13:06:57 < Kliment> You can also set up an optoisolator
2016-12-09T13:07:05 < Steffanx> Hows junior jpa-? Got it a solder iron for xmas yet?
2016-12-09T13:07:06 < Kliment> Depends on what resolution you need
2016-12-09T13:07:41 < jpa-> Steffanx: nope, but he gets a piece of cucumber every morning
2016-12-09T13:08:21 < dongs> Kliment: vcc from isolated output to opto as input, and measure open collector shit on the opto side?
2016-12-09T13:08:33 < dongs> sounds fun
2016-12-09T13:08:53 < Kliment> dongs: The opto is just a LED and a phototransistor
2016-12-09T13:08:57 < dongs> right
2016-12-09T13:09:17 < Kliment> dongs: So you use a resistor either side to convert voltage to current and back
2016-12-09T13:09:19 < dongs> that sounds like the best ghetto solution
2016-12-09T13:09:21 < dongs> right
2016-12-09T13:09:39 < jpa-> it works, but you need to get an optoisolator with well specified current transfer ratio
2016-12-09T13:09:47 < Kliment> jpa-: Of course, or measure it
2016-12-09T13:09:49 < jpa-> some of them are like 50%-200% or similar huge tolerance
2016-12-09T13:09:55 < stvn> yup
2016-12-09T13:10:01 < Kliment> jpa-: You can comp for it in software
2016-12-09T13:10:10 < Kliment> jpa-: Just measure on the target device
2016-12-09T13:10:13 < jpa-> true
2016-12-09T13:10:21 < dongs> china special
2016-12-09T13:10:26 < dongs> optoisolator
2016-12-09T13:10:50 < dongs> CTR of over 9000
2016-12-09T13:10:55 < BrainDamage> or you can get a dual opto, it has 1 led and 2 phototrans
2016-12-09T13:11:04 < BrainDamage> and build a negative feedback at the source
2016-12-09T13:11:19 < BrainDamage> it linearizes it and gives a pretty reliable transfer function
2016-12-09T13:13:35 < stvn> crikey
2016-12-09T13:23:33 < Kliment> dongs: did you figure out your reset stuff?
2016-12-09T13:32:14 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Cdzvzh5L/pepes.png
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2016-12-09T13:33:52 < dongs> Kliment: which reset stuff
2016-12-09T13:34:09 < dongs> (my attention span is shorter than that of o6)
2016-12-09T13:37:20 < Kliment> dongs: You were having issues where your MCU would reset when you switched a FET's gate low
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2016-12-09T13:43:29 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/2EkzTzq.jpg
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2016-12-09T13:52:57 < dongs> Kliment: oh that
2016-12-09T13:53:34 < dongs> replaced with NDS356AP and it sorta works. i tihnk i just need a gate resistor
2016-12-09T14:07:44 < dongs> if I was gonna make noise with PWM, is 16bit or 32bit timer better
2016-12-09T14:14:03 < Kliment> Don't think it really matters
2016-12-09T14:15:36 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dajGoY9tpI :p
2016-12-09T14:16:04 < dongs> great, 3dcucktentcentral is down
2016-12-09T14:16:07 < dongs> now i cant download my 3d models.
2016-12-09T14:17:11 < dongs> k works just slow as shit
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2016-12-09T14:29:06 < dongs> http://wooriparts.com/upload/goods/1248316218_l4.jpg this is standard non-magjack pinout right?
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2016-12-09T14:29:31 < dongs> or are tehre different weirdass ways for these things
2016-12-09T14:31:48 < dongs> k ya clone of 2-406549-1
2016-12-09T14:46:23 < __rob2> anyone know, must I perform an erase to stm32l0 eeprom before a write ?
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2016-12-09T14:52:09 < dongs> __rob2: iirc, no. but I only used eeprom on stm8
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2016-12-09T15:15:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/w6raX4c.png anyone wanna critique my ethernet jack footprint
2016-12-09T15:17:51 < aandrew> lol
2016-12-09T15:18:02 < aandrew> that loos very similar to one I'm working on actually
2016-12-09T15:21:19 < jpa-> dongs: the number "1" is off-center
2016-12-09T15:28:29 < Steffanx> What does MH mean in this context, dongs? Male hunter?
2016-12-09T15:29:52 < jpa-> mounting hole
2016-12-09T15:30:39 < Steffanx> Big orgy it is thrn
2016-12-09T15:30:41 < Steffanx> Then
2016-12-09T15:31:06  * jpa- inspects Steffanx' mounting hole
2016-12-09T15:31:19 < Steffanx> Sauna time
2016-12-09T15:33:27 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/KHrpq
2016-12-09T15:33:43 < aandrew> vertical mount connector
2016-12-09T15:35:32 < aandrew> I was going to make my mounting holes slots but said fuck it
2016-12-09T15:35:32 < dongs> jpa-: 1 is offcenter wat?
2016-12-09T15:35:41 < dongs> oh, i donno blame altidumb
2016-12-09T15:35:59 < aandrew> dongs: what do you pay for altidumb in .jp
2016-12-09T15:36:39 < dongs> aandrew: the same as everyone e lse, they opened a local office a couple years ago so there's no more reseller shit
2016-12-09T15:39:39 < dongs> but do you get a kawaii box? http://i.imgur.com/ypgQg1L.jpg
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2016-12-09T15:40:09 < aandrew> lol no
2016-12-09T15:40:47 < Steffanx> Not even a usb drive?
2016-12-09T15:40:53 < dongs> thats what that is
2016-12-09T15:41:26 < dongs> harmonize your dongs
2016-12-09T15:41:36 < dongs> i dont even know what the fuck that means
2016-12-09T15:41:36 < Steffanx> I meant aandrew. If he gets that. Or just a download
2016-12-09T15:41:38 < dongs> ah
2016-12-09T15:42:52 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/b0Gicfx.gifv
2016-12-09T15:49:09 < dongs> hmm, in F4 DMA, i can only assign one channel out of a stream for something isnt it?
2016-12-09T15:51:40 < karlp> that gif is.... special
2016-12-09T15:54:33 < mitrax> on F4 what is SDIOCLK derived from? APB or another PLL output?
2016-12-09T15:56:28 < Steffanx> ABP2
2016-12-09T15:56:34 < Steffanx> *APB2
2016-12-09T15:56:44 < dongs> SDIO is connected TO APB2, but SDIOCLK is separate
2016-12-09T15:57:01 < dongs> The adapter registers and FIFO use the APB2 bus clock domain (PCLK2). The control unit,
2016-12-09T15:57:04 < dongs> command path and data path use the SDIO adapter clock domain (SDIOCLK).
2016-12-09T15:57:04 < Steffanx> oh, ok. 
2016-12-09T15:57:29 < c10ud> how much is altium?
2016-12-09T15:57:40 < dongs> too much
2016-12-09T15:58:24 < c10ud> I have eagle but I find boring creating symbols wrt orcad
2016-12-09T15:58:38 < Steffanx> c10ud, when you can geta student license it's pretty cheap.
2016-12-09T15:58:38 < dongs> eagle symbol/library management is a fucking joke
2016-12-09T15:59:14 < c10ud> exactly, my pcb designer can use eagle only but atm we don't have a link with the schematic
2016-12-09T15:59:35 < c10ud> I was evaluating a fully featured solution, but elcheapo orcad means 7k€ or so, I dont remember exactly
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2016-12-09T16:00:36 < Steffanx> So i guess PLL it is mitrax.
2016-12-09T16:00:40 < dongs> there's some shitty version of allegro that barely does anything for around 3.5k
2016-12-09T16:00:55 < dongs> ask R2COM about it
2016-12-09T16:01:30 < Steffanx> The ok-ish alternative is Diptrace?
2016-12-09T16:01:46 < Steffanx> I remember someone who used that for ages.
2016-12-09T16:01:51 < dongs> i wish they'd take updating it seriously :(
2016-12-09T16:01:55 < c10ud> alright
2016-12-09T16:01:56 < dongs> thats why I stopped using that hsit
2016-12-09T16:02:09 < dongs> yea diptrace is great for medium-complex stuff up to 4 layers or so
2016-12-09T16:02:18 < c10ud> I hope autodesk can improve eagle though, is not that bad 
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2016-12-09T16:02:37 < dongs> they should just kill it, like pebble/fitbit
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2016-12-09T16:02:58 < c10ud> lol, but what then?
2016-12-09T16:03:05 < dongs> have you tried diptrace?
2016-12-09T16:03:17 < dongs> try it out, free version is actually more capable than freetard eagle
2016-12-09T16:03:52 < c10ud> most boring thing for me is: search part, create symbol
2016-12-09T16:04:05 < c10ud> or, search already-made symbol
2016-12-09T16:04:05 < dongs> thats why you use pcb cad which makes that shit easy
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2016-12-09T16:04:24 < qyx> anyone worked with those microchip combo hubs/readers?
2016-12-09T16:04:32 < qyx> usb2641 for example
2016-12-09T16:04:38 < dongs> qyx: USB/SD shit? i think so, whats the question?
2016-12-09T16:04:58 < qyx> how is it possible to turn off a single port from windows?
2016-12-09T16:04:59 < dongs> back when they were SMSC
2016-12-09T16:05:05 < qyx> there are pwren outputs
2016-12-09T16:05:21 < dongs> i dont think you can from windows, tehre's some lunix shit for port power
2016-12-09T16:05:25 < qyx> I plan to use them to control SD card mux
2016-12-09T16:05:32 < dongs> heh no dont do that
2016-12-09T16:05:42 < qyx> ok, what else can i do
2016-12-09T16:05:45 < qyx> there are gpio ports
2016-12-09T16:05:45 < qyx> but
2016-12-09T16:05:49 < qyx> those need customfirmware
2016-12-09T16:06:01 < dongs> there's fucking card power control on gpio10, no?
2016-12-09T16:06:08 < qyx> I could attach stm32 to one of the downstream ports
2016-12-09T16:06:24 < Steffanx> karlp, used those, but i only remember him raging about it.
2016-12-09T16:06:29 < qyx> yes, but I need to control two cards + switch between them
2016-12-09T16:06:37 < Steffanx> oh, not sure if he used the combo one.
2016-12-09T16:07:29 < aandrew> huh
2016-12-09T16:07:38 < aandrew> you can get dirt cheap CNC engravers that work well for PCBs
2016-12-09T16:07:41 < dongs> qyx, you want to switch between 2 cards while the reader only suports 1?
2016-12-09T16:07:46 < aandrew> I wonder how hard it is to do a double sided board with one of those
2016-12-09T16:07:58 < dongs> aandrew: ... did you catch autism or something
2016-12-09T16:08:16 < aandrew> hah
2016-12-09T16:08:17 < qyx> dongs: yes, I need a reader that can work in a "bypass" mode
2016-12-09T16:08:34 < aandrew> nah, just thinking for simple boards I don't want to spend money on it seems like it'd be handy to have something like that
2016-12-09T16:08:34 < dongs> qyx, i remember you (0r someone else)? talking about this months ago
2016-12-09T16:08:47 < dongs> and there was some solution but it was ancient/nrnd
2016-12-09T16:08:52 < qyx> dongs: the card is muxed between the reader and a microsd "male socket"
2016-12-09T16:08:57 < dongs> right
2016-12-09T16:09:01 < aandrew> but yeah, 16x10cm print area for $120, that's hard to beat
2016-12-09T16:09:11 < aandrew> even just for one sided boards it's not bad
2016-12-09T16:09:16 < qyx> I don't remember to be honest
2016-12-09T16:09:18 < qyx> too much brian damage
2016-12-09T16:09:18 < sync> aandrew: don't forget the plating
2016-12-09T16:09:30 < sync> you are much better off just etching
2016-12-09T16:09:37 < aandrew> sync: well you'd use a through hole and bit of wire to join the sides of course
2016-12-09T16:09:55 < aandrew> sync: etching is messy (persulfate, agitation, etc.) and CNC is messy (dust)
2016-12-09T16:09:55 < sync> that gets old real fast
2016-12-09T16:10:07 < sync> etching is pretty clean compared to milling
2016-12-09T16:10:09 < Laurenceb_> male socket
2016-12-09T16:10:13 < Laurenceb_>  *triggered*
2016-12-09T16:10:31 < Laurenceb_> literally rape
2016-12-09T16:10:35 < qyx> pls
2016-12-09T16:10:43 < aandrew> sync: what's your preferred way to do resist for home etching? I always had great results with photo etching but again, messy
2016-12-09T16:11:13 < Laurenceb_> using laser printer looks quite promising
2016-12-09T16:11:16 < dongs> qyx: https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/interface/MAX14502.html this lol
2016-12-09T16:11:34 < dongs> anyway, dont use that obviously
2016-12-09T16:11:38 < dongs> but I think thats when the conversation was
2016-12-09T16:11:41 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: yes, I've done toner transfer before, it doesn't seem nearly as consistent but it was a *long* time ago
2016-12-09T16:11:44 < dongs> maybe someone can check the logs for that part
2016-12-09T16:11:56 < sync> aandrew: laminating toner, but I'm back to photoresist
2016-12-09T16:12:05 < Laurenceb_> theres usb <-> SD on my githubz
2016-12-09T16:12:08 < aandrew> sync: do you do plating as well?
2016-12-09T16:12:15 < Laurenceb_> or on ST site.. somewhere
2016-12-09T16:12:16 < sync> I tried it
2016-12-09T16:12:17 < karlp> qyx: yarh, we use usb2640 here
2016-12-09T16:12:22 < sync> it works, but it is hyper annoying
2016-12-09T16:12:41 < aandrew> as soon as you start dicking around with chemicals and such it makes a lot more sense to send those simple 2 layer designs off to APC circuits and get a real PCB with soldermask and plating
2016-12-09T16:12:44 < qyx> dongs: lol
2016-12-09T16:12:50 < aandrew> they're cheap and in my country so no customs bullshit
2016-12-09T16:12:55 < aandrew> but their process is stuck in 1980
2016-12-09T16:13:19 < qyx> ok, I'll probably attach there a F042 or whatever
2016-12-09T16:13:31 < qyx> and use a TI mux for SD
2016-12-09T16:13:39 < aandrew> actually I should ask PCB Ultimate Vision (in my town) how much and how long to do simple 2 layer turnarounds
2016-12-09T16:13:50 < karlp> they _clearly_ have all sorts of undocumented commands yhou can send to do gpio shits
2016-12-09T16:13:54 < karlp> even without writing your own firmware for it.
2016-12-09T16:14:01 < karlp> because that's super undocumented
2016-12-09T16:14:17 < qyx> but I don't know if I can relay on it
2016-12-09T16:14:17 < karlp> dunno about doing bypass shit though, why not just toggle card power externally?
2016-12-09T16:14:19 < sync> well, I used to have a three tank system setup aandrew like the film developers did have
2016-12-09T16:14:22 < sync> and it wasn't really messy
2016-12-09T16:14:25 < dongs> relay?
2016-12-09T16:14:27 < qyx> karlp: yes, thats the thing
2016-12-09T16:14:48 < qyx> sinple 6 channel 1:2 analog mux and two mosfets
2016-12-09T16:15:04 < qyx> but I need at least 2 GPIO to control them
2016-12-09T16:15:04 < karlp> I was not even thinking of the mux, but eyah probably a good idea.
2016-12-09T16:15:25 < karlp> if you have more time than I did, you can almost certainly figure out some hub commands that can dick with the gpios
2016-12-09T16:15:28 < qyx> dongs: rely
2016-12-09T16:15:33 < englishman> aandrew: lol apc
2016-12-09T16:15:37 < englishman> never again.
2016-12-09T16:15:43 < karlp> I was digging through their test reports and found notes on sending commands to turn on and off leds and shit,
2016-12-09T16:15:58 < karlp> but, surprisingly, the commands for other devices in the family didn't do anything
2016-12-09T16:16:13 < karlp> we're just using it as fairly basic hub+usd card reader, no tricks
2016-12-09T16:16:15 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/TS3A27518E this?
2016-12-09T16:16:27 < qyx> dongs: yep
2016-12-09T16:16:28 < dongs> why so many? are you doing 4bit sdio or something?
2016-12-09T16:16:33 < qyx> yes
2016-12-09T16:17:07 < karlp> that max passthrough thing is totally different.
2016-12-09T16:17:21 < karlp> that's skipping the hub bit,
2016-12-09T16:17:39 < dongs> i forgot why that came up
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2016-12-09T16:17:47 < dongs> maybe jpa- can check the logs
2016-12-09T16:18:09 < aandrew> I just sent off an email to PCBUV... they do 2 layer stuff literlaly in my city
2016-12-09T16:18:15 < qyx> but this mux + usb reader is basically the same as the max thing
2016-12-09T16:18:21 < aandrew> if their price isn't stupid it'd be way easier to deal with them
2016-12-09T16:18:34 < aandrew> they do awesome work on the more complex stuff I send them, but that's farmed out to their .de factory
2016-12-09T16:19:00 < karlp> they don't have a name that facilitates searching
2016-12-09T16:19:41 < dongs> no i mean literally MAX14502 or MAX1450x came up in the list
2016-12-09T16:19:46 < aandrew> I know dongs uses a .kr company that he has good results with, and azonenberg (different chan) uses multech in ... taiwan? china? for really crazy stuff (blind/buried via, 6+ layers, odd stackup, etc.) with excellent success
2016-12-09T16:20:01 < aandrew> karlp: who doesn't have a name that facilitates searching?
2016-12-09T16:20:04 < karlp> pcbuv
2016-12-09T16:20:16 < aandrew> oh sorry
2016-12-09T16:20:19 < englishman> aandrew it's hard to have a dumber price than APC for 2l even our local guy
2016-12-09T16:20:45 < aandrew> PCB Ultimate Vision http://www.us.pcbultimatevision.com/
2016-12-09T16:20:50 < aandrew> don't go to their website, it sucks balls
2016-12-09T16:21:02 < aandrew> but their factory is in the same industrial building that my kids go to gymnastics in
2016-12-09T16:21:02 < karlp> might be better than pcbuv.com, which is some china manuf place
2016-12-09T16:21:05 < aandrew> so it's hard to beat 
2016-12-09T16:21:15 < BrainDamage> >To enjoy this site you'll need to update your Flash Player. It's easy, painless and will take
2016-12-09T16:21:18 < BrainDamage> aaand closed
2016-12-09T16:21:20 < dongs> haha
2016-12-09T16:21:20 < aandrew> yep
2016-12-09T16:21:22 < aandrew> I told you
2016-12-09T16:22:27 < dongs> fuckkkkkkkkk
2016-12-09T16:22:40 < dongs> http://www.us.pcbultimatevision.com/ < if you leave this open, it starts playing music???
2016-12-09T16:22:48 < aandrew> dongs: yep. I warned you not to go there
2016-12-09T16:22:51 < dongs> holy fucking lol
2016-12-09T16:22:54 < dongs> and
2016-12-09T16:23:05 < aandrew> I think one of the employee's cousin's nephew wrote it for them over christmas break
2016-12-09T16:23:08 < dongs> teh music is playing liek 3 streams at once
2016-12-09T16:23:12 < dongs> slightly offset
2016-12-09T16:25:48 < zyp> it starts playing that shit when you mouseover «STATEMENT ON CONFLICT MINERALS»
2016-12-09T16:25:55 < zyp> once for every mouseover event
2016-12-09T16:26:25 < dongs> oh
2016-12-09T16:26:42 < dongs> haha
2016-12-09T16:26:43 < dongs> thats hilarious
2016-12-09T16:30:04 < aandrew> hm
2016-12-09T16:30:23 < aandrew> STM32 and code protection - do any of you know of any third-party attacks or verification of the robustness of their implementation?
2016-12-09T16:30:45 < dongs> F1 has been haxed i think
2016-12-09T16:30:48 < dongs> others donno
2016-12-09T16:33:23 < qyx> that interests me too
2016-12-09T16:34:53 < qyx> there were something that allows you to read the flash if jtag/swd is accessible
2016-12-09T16:35:37 < qyx> using stepping through the bootloader code and register accesses
2016-12-09T16:37:58 < Steffanx> You're probably refering to that nrf "hack"?
2016-12-09T16:41:56 < zyp> I tried grabbing the contents of a protected F1 once
2016-12-09T16:42:06 < emeryth> http://www.ic-crack.com/contact-us/
2016-12-09T16:42:09 < emeryth> seems legit
2016-12-09T16:42:15 < zyp> but I couldn't
2016-12-09T16:42:23 < aandrew> well anyone who leaves JTAG/SWD open and wants code protection is a fucking idiot, I think that much is agreed
2016-12-09T16:42:59 < zyp> as far as I could see, flash access got totally killed off as soon as I attached the debugger
2016-12-09T16:43:45 < aandrew> the L1 has an interesting PRCP as well which marks flash sectors as execute-only
2016-12-09T16:43:48 < qyx> yes, but you are able to change the pc and do stepping
2016-12-09T16:43:51 < qyx> zyp: ^
2016-12-09T16:43:59 < aandrew> kind of an opposite NX bit, prevents data access and DMA to those flash sectors
2016-12-09T16:44:02 < zyp> qyx, no
2016-12-09T16:44:26 < qyx> no? then maybe no
2016-12-09T16:44:35 < zyp> CPU couldn't access flash when the debugger were attached either, it just went into lockup since no accesses went through
2016-12-09T16:44:56 < Steffanx> but then it's pretty hard to debug your own code when there is also code in a protected section right?
2016-12-09T16:45:11 < aandrew> Steffanx: yes, that's the point
2016-12-09T16:45:13 < aandrew> you test your code without it
2016-12-09T16:45:21 < aandrew> you blow the fuse when you go to production
2016-12-09T16:45:38 < Steffanx> but in the case of for example the nrf stuff, the code was already there.
2016-12-09T16:45:46 < Steffanx> + protection
2016-12-09T16:46:28 < zyp> I tried setting up DMA to copy flash to ram, but DMA couldn't access flash either
2016-12-09T16:49:50 < qyx> are you sure that code execution from flash is disabled too?
2016-12-09T16:50:13 < zyp> yeah, cpu went into lockup
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2016-12-09T17:03:23 < aandrew> http://www.ic-cracker.com/?s=stm32 claims they can open a lot of STM32 devices
2016-12-09T17:03:54 < aandrew> I wonder how they're doing it. if it's a decap and microprobe to defeat CP fuses then there's not a lot you can do to fight that, but if they're glitching it then that's no good
2016-12-09T17:09:15 < aandrew> there, fired off an email to my STM FAE. Let's see if he gives me the marketing answer or if he digs in
2016-12-09T17:09:38 < aandrew> I suspect he will give me a solid technical answer, one thing I've really come to enjoy about ST is their technical competence
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2016-12-09T17:12:15 < aandrew> dongs: man those ring guys just don't have the answers do they... "need datasheets" "Yep it has $feature" "need goals" "here are general hand-wavey goals"
2016-12-09T17:12:15 < qyx> there is no F4 in the list though
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2016-12-09T17:12:30 < aandrew> qyx: agreed, but it could just be they haven't had to do it yet becuase nobody has asked htem
2016-12-09T17:12:37 < aandrew> ATmel and PIC seem to be blown wide open though
2016-12-09T17:12:44 < dongs> aandrew: lol right, thats been the general thing with them since beginning
2016-12-09T17:13:03 < dongs> it literally sounds like dickstarter faggots full of "designerS" but nobody wiht any actual clue
2016-12-09T17:13:24 < aandrew> dongs: yep. I'm perfectly happy to take that over and design what *I* want to design, it sounds like they'd be happy with that
2016-12-09T17:14:06 < aandrew> it's very common in my experience.  "we think we want XYZ" and then I'll design something that's maybe "QXsortaY" and they're happy as hell
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2016-12-09T17:48:16 < Rob235> If I hold a blowdriier over my phone for a few minutes will the battery explode?
2016-12-09T17:48:49 < jpa-> if it is not being charged and you don't get it over 150 celcius, probably not going to explode
2016-12-09T17:49:00 < jpa-> but capacity is going to suffer if you get it above about 80 celcius
2016-12-09T17:49:13 < Rob235> damn S6 for not having a removable battery
2016-12-09T17:50:02 < Rob235> I'm trying to fix my fingerprint scanner and the only thing I havent tried is heating up the home button
2016-12-09T17:50:24 < jpa-> protect the rest of the phone with aluminum foil
2016-12-09T17:50:34 < Rob235> good idea
2016-12-09T17:50:50 < Rob235> just wrap it in a few layers?
2016-12-09T17:51:12 < jpa-> yeah
2016-12-09T17:52:38 < dongs> aandrew: i donno how legit that ic-cracker is
2016-12-09T17:52:44 < dongs> tehy show QFN F103
2016-12-09T17:52:47 < dongs> which doens't come in QFN
2016-12-09T17:53:23 < aandrew> lol
2016-12-09T17:53:26 < aandrew> should be easy to crack then
2016-12-09T17:54:14 < dongs> anyway, AVR is definitely haxable with simple FIB/SEM edit
2016-12-09T17:54:33 < dongs> i sent a thing to such service once and got .hex
2016-12-09T18:07:55 < aandrew> right, I'm not super worried about invasive attacks, but it'd be nice if hte protect bits aren't easy to get at
2016-12-09T18:08:20 < aandrew> but the standard glitching (power or clock) or needle inductor attacks I want to be protected against if possible
2016-12-09T18:08:22 < englishman> $AMD already down 2% over lunix https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-December/126516.html
2016-12-09T18:08:28 < dongs> whatcha hiding
2016-12-09T18:09:59 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs
2016-12-09T18:10:05 < KreAture_Zzz> I solved my cr detect thing
2016-12-09T18:10:08 < KreAture_Zzz> by not doing it
2016-12-09T18:10:10 < KreAture_Zzz> :p
2016-12-09T18:10:34 < dongs> englishman: what is this trash
2016-12-09T18:10:36 < dongs> tl;dr
2016-12-09T18:10:41 < dongs> lunix fags dont want to write drivers for AMD?
2016-12-09T18:10:42 < KreAture_Zzz> I have a freertos task that needs data from the uart, and basically it asks for data from a queue that the isr pushes data into
2016-12-09T18:10:45 < dongs> (and nobody cares)
2016-12-09T18:10:46 < englishman> lunix saying no to merging amd hal
2016-12-09T18:11:00 < Steffanx> DC =  ?
2016-12-09T18:11:19 < englishman> display core
2016-12-09T18:11:27 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs and then when it falls through after a timeout of 1ms I ask the isr callback to get whatever it can, which is pushed to the queue instead of a full buffer
2016-12-09T18:11:41 < KreAture_Zzz> 1 extra line of code in the isr callback was all that was needed
2016-12-09T18:12:05 < KreAture_Zzz> if there is anything available in dma when it asks it is grabbed, if not it waits, all with an isr and a queue
2016-12-09T18:12:17 < KreAture_Zzz> 1ms is ok latency for my commandline interface so no worries :)
2016-12-09T18:12:41 < KreAture_Zzz> pasting bulk commands to it also works as then it uses the fifo and dma to it's fullest potential with multiple buffers etc
2016-12-09T18:13:03 < dongs> sounds nice. my cli shit fails at fast pastes
2016-12-09T18:13:07 < KreAture_Zzz> best of all it is multicore compatible
2016-12-09T18:13:21 < KreAture_Zzz> you can have multiple tasks waiting for the queue
2016-12-09T18:13:32 < dongs> tehre's dumb race conditions that screw up fifo pointes
2016-12-09T18:13:43 < KreAture_Zzz> :/
2016-12-09T18:14:44 < KreAture_Zzz> now I am building my command list and I have been wondering if I should make it dynamic or not
2016-12-09T18:14:46 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-12-09T18:15:01 < dongs> what is this shit for? the same thing that uses sdram?
2016-12-09T18:15:06 < KreAture_Zzz> I don't think I need it to be dynamic though, but it could be nice
2016-12-09T18:15:10 < KreAture_Zzz> oh no this is much cooler
2016-12-09T18:15:13 < dongs> k
2016-12-09T18:15:16 < KreAture_Zzz> I can show you in pm
2016-12-09T18:15:16 < dongs> coolest cooler
2016-12-09T18:15:23 < dongs> nawh im about to goto sleep
2016-12-09T18:15:32 < dongs> been innonvating retarde shit
2016-12-09T18:15:39 < KreAture_Zzz> 1 pic
2016-12-09T18:15:41 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-12-09T18:15:47 < dongs> 404 nigga
2016-12-09T18:16:01 < KreAture_Zzz> http://kreature.org/images/work/hy5_pro.jpg
2016-12-09T18:16:07 < KreAture_Zzz> fuck
2016-12-09T18:16:10 < KreAture_Zzz> wrong window LOL
2016-12-09T18:16:12 < KreAture_Zzz> nobody look
2016-12-09T18:16:13 < dongs> gg
2016-12-09T18:16:20 < KreAture_Zzz> not a problem just funny
2016-12-09T18:16:22 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-12-09T18:16:27 < dongs> saw a dong standing up
2016-12-09T18:16:27 < KreAture_Zzz> it was a spelling error hehe
2016-12-09T18:16:35 < dongs> wahile image was loading
2016-12-09T18:16:55 < KreAture_Zzz> nobody else but dongs look lol
2016-12-09T18:17:05 < KreAture_Zzz> atleast it wasn't my password
2016-12-09T18:17:06 < KreAture_Zzz> haha
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2016-12-09T18:27:42 < Laurenceb> better than pasting ladyboy pronz
2016-12-09T18:28:51 < BrainDamage> is that a teledildonics setup to give a remote handjob?
2016-12-09T18:29:34 < KreAture_Zzz> BrainDamage alternative markets later maybe LOL
2016-12-09T18:29:45 < KreAture_Zzz> second hand parhaps
2016-12-09T18:29:51 < KreAture_Zzz> (pun intended)
2016-12-09T18:30:09 < KreAture_Zzz> well, I'm off for food
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2016-12-09T18:49:42 < englishman> holy shit fuck imgur
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2016-12-09T19:02:00 < Rob235> shhhh
2016-12-09T19:09:20 < Rob235> anyone ever use MITs opencourseware?
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2016-12-09T19:10:59 < sferrini> guys can you point me at the official ARM instruction set manual?
2016-12-09T19:11:01 < sferrini> I've had a look at http://infocenter.arm.com but I only found the quick reference
2016-12-09T19:12:16 < Rob235> This course provides a hands-on introduction to the resources for designing and fabricating smart systems, including CAD/CAM/CAE; NC machining, 3-D printing, injection molding, laser cutting; PCB layout and fabrication; sensors and actuators; analog instrumentation; embedded digital processing; wired and wireless communications. This course also puts emphasis on learning how to use the tools as well as understand how they work.
2016-12-09T19:16:00 < Rob235> This course is offered to graduate students and covers topics in five major areas of quantum optical communication: quantum optics, single-mode and two-mode quantum systems, multi-mode quantum systems, nonlinear optics, and quantum systems theory. Specific topics include the following: Dirac notation quantum mechanics; harmonic oscillator quantization; number states, coherent states, and squeezed states; P-representation and
2016-12-09T19:16:00 < Rob235>  classical fields; direct, homodyne, and heterodyne detection; linear p...
2016-12-09T19:16:03 < Rob235> haha ok im done
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2016-12-09T19:19:04 < sync> Rob235: what about it?
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2016-12-09T19:19:10 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/uLtDfS.jpg
2016-12-09T19:19:33 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/jSroN5.jpg
2016-12-09T19:19:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyVSKydUxKk music times
2016-12-09T19:19:56 < Rob235> wondering if anyone 'took' any of the courses.  I have no idea how they are structured so I was wondering if they were worth it.  I think I'll give one of the electrical engineering ones a shot
2016-12-09T19:20:26 < Rob235> I guess they are different, some videos some not
2016-12-09T19:20:49 < kakimir> anyone know where to get the cheapest VESC?
2016-12-09T19:21:14 < kakimir> or anyone want to get rid of one?
2016-12-09T19:23:27 < kakimir> new one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maytech-Benjamin-Vedder-Electronic-Speed-controller-VESC-for-electric-longboard-/302151443392
2016-12-09T19:23:31 < kakimir> below 100eur
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2016-12-09T20:02:01 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/bf19aa2d23ccec6f7d24b7fe56f21b195f731f2f61fc6adea4165e3c6f7321ad.jpg
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2016-12-09T20:27:20 < Laurenceb> noo ED is down
2016-12-09T20:27:24 < Laurenceb> how will I live
2016-12-09T20:33:05 < kakimir> o_o
2016-12-09T20:33:32 < Kliment> Laurenceb: There's always caches and archives
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2016-12-09T20:42:17 < Laurenceb> lulz  https://media.8ch.net/file_store/79cb7688ffba0fbbc32d83fb43fd5d15c43e941fd07d397ce39986db613d04cc.png
2016-12-09T20:57:06 < Laurenceb> how to troll /pol/ https://media.8ch.net/file_store/f9054035ff5b795c5b1e18eeb434869b1dc8f206ca895560ea25348bd4913cdd.jpg
2016-12-09T20:57:58 < Steffanx> How to troll Laurenceb
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2016-12-09T21:00:08 < Rob235> dood, I reinstall win10 to have a fresh start and everything fucking breaks
2016-12-09T21:00:45 < kakimir> I have mouse in my lab
2016-12-09T21:00:49 < kakimir> a mouse
2016-12-09T21:01:03 < kakimir> in my cave
2016-12-09T21:01:16 < Rob235> get traps
2016-12-09T21:02:24 < kakimir> why should I?
2016-12-09T21:02:30 < Rob235> feed it
2016-12-09T21:02:41 < englishman> get cat
2016-12-09T21:03:15 < BrainDamage> he was suggesting for you to get screwed by femmine looking guys
2016-12-09T21:03:27 < englishman> no
2016-12-09T21:03:29 < englishman> get cat
2016-12-09T21:03:29 < englishman> https://i.sli.mg/Yr2Ox4.jpg
2016-12-09T21:03:31 < kakimir> I don't need to.. it seems to eat all the crumbles on the floor
2016-12-09T21:03:32 < englishman> high quality kittens
2016-12-09T21:03:40 < kakimir> good jubb
2016-12-09T21:03:54 < kakimir> it doesn't even mind I'm here
2016-12-09T21:04:34 < kakimir> I just need it to eat them and go shit actually outside
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2016-12-09T21:09:04 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsnFidAbs2M
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2016-12-09T21:32:18 < aandrew> https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/807305691971063808
2016-12-09T21:32:46 < Laurenceb> oh god unicorn shit
2016-12-09T21:32:59 < Laurenceb> my cousin is into that :(
2016-12-09T21:33:32 < Laurenceb> wtf
2016-12-09T21:33:34 < Laurenceb> 0 effort
2016-12-09T21:34:09 < BrainDamage> https://motherboard.vice.com/read/this-rectal-thermometer-is-the-logical-conclusion-of-the-internet-of-things
2016-12-09T21:37:18 < Laurenceb>  vice
2016-12-09T21:37:26 < ReadErr>  Laurenceb https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Cdzvzh5L/pepes.png
2016-12-09T21:37:36 < ReadErr> was thinkin bout u bb
2016-12-09T21:37:49 < ReadErr> "yaaaay tendies"
2016-12-09T21:38:06 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2016-12-09T21:38:37 < ReadErr> steve bannon feeding his rare pepes
2016-12-09T21:38:46 < kakimir> https://twitter.com/Ouren/status/794579518870659072
2016-12-09T21:39:08 < Laurenceb> The media could not be played.
2016-12-09T21:39:10 < kakimir> has internet of things brought any single good innovation?
2016-12-09T21:39:18 < kakimir> Laurenceb: you have shitty browser
2016-12-09T21:39:45 < BrainDamage> mpv url
2016-12-09T21:42:40 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuq46EXfCm0
2016-12-09T21:45:22 < kakimir> it's like huge totally temporary object
2016-12-09T21:45:37 < Steffanx> uh what?
2016-12-09T21:46:08 < kakimir> sarcophagus
2016-12-09T21:46:54 < kakimir> they say it will last 100yers
2016-12-09T21:46:57 < kakimir> years
2016-12-09T21:48:15 < kakimir> it's nothing
2016-12-09T21:48:25 < BrainDamage> it doesn't have to last that long
2016-12-09T21:48:40 < Fleck> yeah, they plan to remove all the crap sooner
2016-12-09T21:49:10 < kakimir> oh they actually level the plant?
2016-12-09T21:49:13 < BrainDamage> yep, with a cover on they can finally cleanup the debris, which atm would be thrown in air if they'd start excavating
2016-12-09T21:49:14 < kakimir> inside there?
2016-12-09T21:54:21 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/33d7d2b01e6ead769bbb449e002b3aaf944123d7dfd54009ef98d7e81fa3b096.png
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2016-12-09T22:15:53 < Laurenceb> CT512 filed down to 0.6mm thickness
2016-12-09T22:15:58 < Laurenceb> die is reverse mounted
2016-12-09T22:18:01 < englishman> New Safe Confinment is pretty fucking amazing
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2016-12-09T22:23:25 < kakimir> oh so I can add like schematics into schematics in kicad like that schematic was some component
2016-12-09T22:23:50 < kakimir> http://vedder.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Schematic-1.png
2016-12-09T22:23:54 < BrainDamage> so you can scheme while you scheme?
2016-12-09T22:26:15 < kakimir> this is how I should use kicad
2016-12-09T22:27:45 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNlo1SFY3MXJDT1k/view?usp=sharing because I mean that is not even A3 size anymore
2016-12-09T22:32:24 < Laurenceb> niceeee
2016-12-09T22:32:29 < Laurenceb> this CT512 is epic 
2016-12-09T22:32:48 < Laurenceb> GMR performance from a hall sensor without output drive
2016-12-09T22:33:13 < BrainDamage> is that for attitude telemetry?
2016-12-09T22:33:33 < Laurenceb> no just on/off, its a latching thing
2016-12-09T22:34:13 < upgrdman> kakimir, jesus fuck man, break your schematic up into multiple sheets.
2016-12-09T22:34:25 < Laurenceb> 10hz update with 350nA current, so ~3years standby time
2016-12-09T22:34:25 < upgrdman> your schematic reminds me of the trash i get from china engineers
2016-12-09T22:34:29 < Laurenceb> bbl
2016-12-09T22:34:48 < upgrdman> although theres ~no comments in the china schematics i see
2016-12-09T22:35:44 < kakimir> upgrdman: there is no go around with existing projects!
2016-12-09T22:36:25 < Steffanx> and those are made in warezed altium upgrdman? 
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2016-12-09T22:36:49 < upgrdman> Steffanx, no. protel. serious. fucking protel. wtf.
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2016-12-09T22:37:15 < upgrdman> Steffanx, no. protel. serious. fucking protel. wtf.
2016-12-09T22:37:38 < sync> neat Laurenceb
2016-12-09T22:59:33 < Steffanx> You post pics all the time and when you finally have something you don't post pics, Laurenceb? -_-
2016-12-09T23:00:01 < wanderman> hey mr Steffanx 
2016-12-09T23:00:57 < aandrew> can't read that schem at all, looks like ass kicad 
2016-12-09T23:01:38 < englishman> such whitespace wow
2016-12-09T23:03:19 < englishman> i see this esc is incompatible with delta-wound motors
2016-12-09T23:04:05 < englishman> Steffanx how is belgium today
2016-12-09T23:04:48 < Steffanx> i have no clue. How is alaska?
2016-12-09T23:05:00 < englishman> cold, and 9000km away
2016-12-09T23:05:42 < Steffanx> http://howis.be/ . in maintainence mode i guess.
2016-12-09T23:05:48 < Steffanx> Maintenance
2016-12-09T23:06:14 < englishman> howis.ca is available for registration.
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2016-12-09T23:24:40 < wanderman> avionics electronics 
2016-12-09T23:25:34 < wanderman> fail safe system programming ?
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2016-12-09T23:42:45 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzQWenkWEAAxETw.jpg
2016-12-09T23:51:06 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-09T23:51:19 < ohsix> didn't realize CATO institutde shit was basically anti-science garbage until today
2016-12-09T23:52:23 < ohsix> they're constantly trying to force a meme where scientists are self aggrandizing and make shit upto further their career, and they provide no support for it; they use it as a footing to generally attack scientific discovery
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2016-12-10T00:14:44 < ohsix> #personalgrowthstories
2016-12-10T00:41:31 < ohsix> lul twatter, after people freaking out a few weeks ago over removing @ things in messages, they released an update on ios yesterday that actually did it, they're walking it back today as an accident
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2016-12-10T01:00:21 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/EquipNet/status/807285107308564480 lul equipnet gotta go fast
2016-12-10T01:00:30 < ohsix> coincidence or meme supremacy
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2016-12-10T01:10:55 < ohsix> https://anchoreditions.com/blog/dorothea-lange-censored-photographs
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2016-12-10T01:22:26 < jadew> the US kicked japanese out during ww2?
2016-12-10T01:29:55 < ohsix> put them in camps ya
2016-12-10T01:30:06 < ohsix> bunch of ethnic rhetoric and nationalism
2016-12-10T01:30:28 < ohsix> that's incredibly reductive to say, but you can read about it, huhu i'm no expert
2016-12-10T01:31:22 < jadew> ah, but they didn't send them out of the country?
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2016-12-10T01:40:38 < englishman> jadew: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans
2016-12-10T01:40:52 < englishman> also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-Canadian_internment
2016-12-10T01:41:07 < Laurenceb_> boo
2016-12-10T01:41:18 < jadew> thanks
2016-12-10T01:41:18 < Laurenceb_> I was hoping for internment of Canadians
2016-12-10T01:41:21 < jadew> first time I hear about this
2016-12-10T01:41:32 < englishman> japs didnt care, they like small boxes
2016-12-10T01:41:40 < jadew> haha
2016-12-10T01:41:43 < Laurenceb_> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/135/437/39b.jpg
2016-12-10T01:44:04 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/d898c81aeccec78d82bbcfa789e50a3b8bb13e006dfb8d8a500461d48b8a63a0.jpg
2016-12-10T01:51:58 < englishman> also jadew: chinese labour, even cheaper than canadian labour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chinese_immigration_to_Canada#Immigration_for_the_railway
2016-12-10T01:57:01 < jadew> $1 / day back then couldn't have been that bad
2016-12-10T01:57:10 < jadew> there are people today that make $2 / day
2016-12-10T02:00:00 < jadew> seems like taking inflation into account they were making ~ $18 / day
2016-12-10T02:04:24 < Laurenceb_> finally finished animating my rockoon
2016-12-10T02:04:31 < Laurenceb_> lots of work :-S
2016-12-10T02:04:34 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/CVhEoiM.gif
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2016-12-10T02:05:12 < jadew> lol
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2016-12-10T02:09:12 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/isotrumpp
2016-12-10T02:10:24 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/isotrumpp/status/704382042327420930
2016-12-10T02:10:27 < Laurenceb_> I support this
2016-12-10T02:10:31 < Laurenceb_> javascript is cancer
2016-12-10T02:10:50 < englishman> will Laurenceb_ ever post something funny or <24hr old
2016-12-10T02:10:53 < englishman> i doubt it
2016-12-10T02:11:09 < upgrdman> inorite, i tweeted that last night
2016-12-10T02:11:16 < englishman> same goes for you
2016-12-10T02:11:17 < upgrdman> (the flying tampon)
2016-12-10T02:11:30 < upgrdman> lol
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2016-12-10T02:26:11 < ohsix> https://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/ps6x5/0x0_wat/
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2016-12-10T02:29:13 < jadew> haha
2016-12-10T02:37:53 < jadew> I've been closing tabs for the past hour
2016-12-10T02:37:58 < ohsix> me2
2016-12-10T02:38:02 < jadew> I wish there was a way to organize them better
2016-12-10T02:38:17 < ohsix> local police radio / traffic alerts are weird
2016-12-10T02:38:29 < ohsix> almost all accidents from the weather have happened in one place
2016-12-10T02:38:37 < ohsix> one short stretch of road
2016-12-10T02:38:45 < ohsix> you'd think people would just know that and be extra cautious
2016-12-10T02:39:43 < ohsix> lul last year too http://www.ktvz.com/news/deschutes-county/train-hits-cargo-trailer-on-vandevert-rd-tracks/68331248
2016-12-10T02:40:29 < ohsix> few hours ago a truck did a barrel roll
2016-12-10T02:41:23 < jadew> I used to live on a street that had lots of accidents and I even witnessed one there (happened in front of my car)
2016-12-10T02:42:40 < ohsix> guess it doesnt' have to be the road, can be the people that usually use it, it's right near a big housing development thing, ex0urban
2016-12-10T02:43:14 < jadew> the issue where I lived was that it was a straight and wide road with a tram railway in the middle
2016-12-10T02:43:55 < jadew> I lost two cars parked on the side of the road there
2016-12-10T02:54:41 < jadew> hah! when I was looking for the photos of the crash, I found this: http://188.27.94.149/stuff/purcel.jpg
2016-12-10T02:56:02 < Laurenceb_> sexy time
2016-12-10T02:58:18 < jadew> also found the pieces of a chess game I once made: http://188.27.94.149/stuff/chess.png
2016-12-10T02:58:52 < jadew> I drew them and I find that fantastic now, because I know myself to be talentless
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2016-12-10T03:14:05 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a website or some database where you can look up IC (mosfet in my case) by it's marking on the case?
2016-12-10T03:14:14 < ColdKeyboard> I know it's IR and it says FR1205 or FRI205
2016-12-10T03:16:46 < jadew> this? http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/irfr1205.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a40153562d126c2045
2016-12-10T03:20:20 < stvn> tits
2016-12-10T03:22:16 < upgrdman> why does international rectalizer call all of their fets "hexfet" ? is it their 6th generation?
2016-12-10T03:24:27 < BrainDamage> because the gates are hexagonal shaped
2016-12-10T03:24:41 < BrainDamage> repeated in a lattice
2016-12-10T03:30:39 < ColdKeyboard> Trying to difierentiate themselves from the rest I guess
2016-12-10T03:30:54 < ColdKeyboard> jadew That's the one. Thanks
2016-12-10T03:31:05 < jadew> np
2016-12-10T03:43:43 < jadew> pictures?
2016-12-10T03:44:01 < jadew> I take it you're into asians?
2016-12-10T03:47:56 < aandrew> R2COM: what's wrong wtih that girl?
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2016-12-10T03:50:04 < jadew> she looks good
2016-12-10T03:50:17 < jadew> I never met many asian people
2016-12-10T03:50:51 < jadew> I had an asian chick falling asleep on my shoulder when I was riding a bus and that's pretty much all the interraction I had with asians
2016-12-10T03:51:20 < aandrew> jadew: an azn in .ro?! that must have been like encountering a rainbow shitting unicorn
2016-12-10T03:51:28 < aandrew> jadew: I'm pretty sure there aren't even any black people in .ro
2016-12-10T03:51:34 < jadew> aandrew, haha, pretty much
2016-12-10T03:51:47 < jadew> there are a few, but just a few
2016-12-10T03:51:52 < jadew> and I'm pretty sure I met them all
2016-12-10T03:51:56 < aandrew> yeah they're *rare*
2016-12-10T03:52:03 < aandrew> which is odd considering the sheer number of them
2016-12-10T03:52:18 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-10T03:52:36 < jadew> there are more asians tho
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2016-12-10T03:52:48 < jadew> we have a shopping complex with stuff from asia
2016-12-10T03:53:02 < jadew> but I never went there, cuz everything sucks and they don't have electronic components
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2016-12-10T03:54:20 < jadew> "does she have a cock or not?"
2016-12-10T03:54:59 < aandrew> you only have to worry about that with Thai people
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2016-12-10T03:55:09 < aandrew> genetalia are like fashion accessories there
2016-12-10T03:55:18 < stvn> lol
2016-12-10T03:55:26 < jadew> haha
2016-12-10T03:56:05 < aandrew> hm?
2016-12-10T03:56:12 < aandrew> LeelooMinai is like the sanest person here
2016-12-10T03:56:17 < stvn> this is better than stm32 right?
2016-12-10T03:56:34 < Laurenceb_> http://img09.deviantart.net/5928/i/2015/336/0/5/rbmk_by_madhotaru-d9isyls.png
2016-12-10T03:56:47 < aandrew> wtf is smuxi?
2016-12-10T03:56:50 < stvn> hi Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-10T03:57:32 < stvn> this is a vid you may like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF_qd78hYXY
2016-12-10T03:57:44 < aandrew> I think R2COM is upset that I don't have the same taste in women :-)
2016-12-10T03:57:52 < jadew> I wish mIRC had "Open in incognito"
2016-12-10T03:58:08 < stvn> mirc funds terrorism
2016-12-10T03:58:10 < aandrew> jadew: haha yes absolutely essential
2016-12-10T03:58:17 < aandrew> R2COM: is smuxi an irc client?
2016-12-10T03:58:35 < aandrew> you can't just type /ignore aandrew?
2016-12-10T03:58:37 < Laurenceb_> I'm not clicking that link
2016-12-10T03:58:50 < stvn> Laurenceb_, why
2016-12-10T03:58:58 < Laurenceb_> cuz my mum is here
2016-12-10T03:59:04 < stvn> does she hate jews?
2016-12-10T03:59:07 < stvn> better not click
2016-12-10T03:59:12 < aandrew> R2COM: I haven't knowingly ever tasted a dick, but I'm awfully fond of my own
2016-12-10T03:59:27 < aandrew> R2COM: looks like you need a better IRC client
2016-12-10T03:59:38 < Laurenceb_> stvn: she is pretty PC
2016-12-10T03:59:48 < stvn> a good goy
2016-12-10T03:59:55 < aandrew> R2COM: or you can just ignore me, fucker :-)
2016-12-10T04:00:18 < aandrew> not just a good goy, a sheckel for the good goy
2016-12-10T04:00:32 < Laurenceb_> its going full /pol/ in here now
2016-12-10T04:00:42 < jadew> what's a sheckel?
2016-12-10T04:01:13 < aandrew> this channel will turn full STM32 if someone just posted something about an STM32. Nobody is, so it's full of idle chatter and Laurenceb_ links. deal or gtfo, it's really that simple
2016-12-10T04:01:48 < Laurenceb_> jadew: google it
2016-12-10T04:02:05 < stvn> HAHAHAA
2016-12-10T04:02:20 < stvn> seriously though, stm32
2016-12-10T04:02:38 < aandrew> I posted some STM32 specific shit earlier today, had good convos
2016-12-10T04:02:41 < stvn> stm32 is great, no need to make it great again
2016-12-10T04:02:45 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying to redpill her
2016-12-10T04:02:54 < stvn> redpill your mum
2016-12-10T04:03:02 < aandrew> unfortunatley the one contract at work is all NXP bullshit
2016-12-10T04:03:09 < aandrew> which is actually a fucking kinetis in disguise
2016-12-10T04:03:14 < aandrew> and moreso, Keil bullshit
2016-12-10T04:03:15 < stvn> ah shit mate
2016-12-10T04:03:24 < Laurenceb_> Based Assad
2016-12-10T04:03:43 < aandrew> dealing with a 35yo taiwanese sw engineer who took a week to figure out how to generate a sinewave and spit it out an I2S port
2016-12-10T04:03:52 < stvn> mlp stm32 development board, kickstart or no?
2016-12-10T04:04:01 < aandrew> and even then needed me to come over to his desk and show him how to debug it and discover he's got one bit too many
2016-12-10T04:04:06 < Laurenceb_> mlp RBMK dev kit
2016-12-10T04:04:06 < aandrew> stvn: mlp?
2016-12-10T04:04:08 < Laurenceb_> obviously
2016-12-10T04:04:25 < stvn> :)
2016-12-10T04:04:26 < aandrew> so I drank a 5hr energy.. I'll be here all night
2016-12-10T04:04:31 < aandrew> r2com is gonna be pleased
2016-12-10T04:04:37 < Laurenceb_> ok something more relevant
2016-12-10T04:04:38 < stvn> you asking what mlp  is... well... i know who can tell you
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2016-12-10T04:04:42  * stvn points to Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-10T04:04:54 < aandrew> R2COM: I thought you wanted stm32 chats
2016-12-10T04:05:09 < aandrew> sounds like you are just having a bad day, maybe go drink some tea and go to bed
2016-12-10T04:05:15 < Laurenceb_>  >2am here
2016-12-10T04:05:21 < stvn> mlp 
2016-12-10T04:05:22 < Laurenceb_> not going to bed
2016-12-10T04:05:26 < stvn> tell aandrew 
2016-12-10T04:05:32 < Laurenceb_> I ran on 48 hour cycle as undergrad
2016-12-10T04:05:41 < aandrew> R2COM: nah, I am a competent engineer, my math sucks, but it shouldn't have taken a seasoned sw engineer a weke to figure that out
2016-12-10T04:05:43 < Laurenceb_> I need to wait for the earth to slow down
2016-12-10T04:05:54 < englishman> stvn: https://i.sli.mg/Yr2Ox4.jpg
2016-12-10T04:06:02 < Laurenceb_> so anyways
2016-12-10T04:06:07 < stvn> ty englishman 
2016-12-10T04:06:11 < englishman> np
2016-12-10T04:06:11 < Laurenceb_> I need to trigger detonators
2016-12-10T04:06:14 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: I've thought of trying polyphasic sleep cycles from time to time, but the research I've seen shows it's acutally not all that great 
2016-12-10T04:06:15 < stvn> englishman is making stm32 great again
2016-12-10T04:06:24 < englishman> lildongs is a stm32 pro
2016-12-10T04:06:25 < Laurenceb_>  ~2A at 6V for a second
2016-12-10T04:06:35 < Laurenceb_> supercaps or AA lithium
2016-12-10T04:06:46 < aandrew> R2COM: as I said, /ignore or just fuck off. I've got every right to chat about whatever I want. the protocol gives you the power, it's not my problem you're using a shit client
2016-12-10T04:07:12 < aandrew> englishman: it looks like your cat is fraying
2016-12-10T04:07:17 < englishman> R2COM is one of those guys that puts both his legs in the same hole while putting on pants
2016-12-10T04:07:20 < stvn> i wonder if steffan has a grey cat too
2016-12-10T04:07:22 < aandrew> apparently i'm not being ignored though :-)
2016-12-10T04:07:45 < aandrew> come at me bro
2016-12-10T04:08:01 < dongs> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/castar-launch-2017-augmented-reality,32898.html lol Laurenceb_ castar fired jeri worthless and that other fat fuck from valve and is under new management
2016-12-10T04:08:09 < aandrew> actually I'm doing an stm32f2 layout at ht emoment on another contract
2016-12-10T04:08:13 < Laurenceb_> what the fuck
2016-12-10T04:08:14 < Laurenceb_> wow
2016-12-10T04:08:20 < Laurenceb_> epic dramaz
2016-12-10T04:08:21 < stvn> good spot dongs 
2016-12-10T04:08:26  * stvn reads
2016-12-10T04:08:30 < aandrew> except the guy who did the schematic put down components that have no footprints... he's a mech engineer trying ot learn hw so I'm helping him out
2016-12-10T04:08:44 < aandrew> dongs: whoa really?!
2016-12-10T04:08:45 < englishman> wow castar still has money?
2016-12-10T04:08:50 < dongs> brought in a new CEO (Darrell Rodriguez, former president of Lucas Arts) and a new COO (Steve Parkis, formerly of Disney, Zynga, and Storm8)  < LOL
2016-12-10T04:08:56 < dongs> now managed by ex-zynga
2016-12-10T04:09:22 < aandrew> I like Jeri, she's got serious skills, but I think she's a hacker not in it for biz
2016-12-10T04:09:28 < englishman> lol
2016-12-10T04:09:36 < Laurenceb_> Poe appears
2016-12-10T04:09:41 < dongs> i think the word you're looking for is "poser"
2016-12-10T04:09:44 < aandrew> R2COM: u jelly bro
2016-12-10T04:10:00 < stvn> i was hoping to read a story about her getting fired
2016-12-10T04:10:02 < aandrew> dongs: no, give credit where due... she is no poseur
2016-12-10T04:10:24 < dongs> aandrew: not gonna have this discussion again
2016-12-10T04:10:31 < englishman> Heydari filled the same role at TiVo and has worked for Tesla, Twitter, and Google. Sen has put in time with Immersion, Activision, and Aurora Optics, where he helped develop “high precision optical systems,” according to the press release.
2016-12-10T04:10:36 < aandrew> dongs: I don't recall having it the first time
2016-12-10T04:10:48 < englishman> ie, caused tivo to fail at a time it could have been better than netflix, and hopped around other companies getting fired 2x/week
2016-12-10T04:10:51 < stvn> i just want jeri to make youtube vids ago so i can troll ever beta cuck who sucks up her arse
2016-12-10T04:10:54 < aandrew> dongs: do you have a blog post I can read?
2016-12-10T04:11:15 < dongs> aandrew: remeember the c64 thing "she" "did"?
2016-12-10T04:11:37 < dongs> except it was half baked garbage that didnt work and company that ended up with it had to spend a lot of money to get it into release state
2016-12-10T04:11:47 < aandrew> yes I have one in fact
2016-12-10T04:11:54 < dongs> by hiring people who actually knew what the fuck they were doing
2016-12-10T04:11:56 < Laurenceb_> the Castar thing was ripped off DARPA shit
2016-12-10T04:11:58 < aandrew> it's a great hacker c64
2016-12-10T04:12:10 < aandrew> actually the NXP project I'm on is AR/VR stuff
2016-12-10T04:12:16 < aandrew> EM tracking
2016-12-10T04:12:22 < aandrew> let me see if I can find a public link
2016-12-10T04:12:37 < Laurenceb_> the HTC Vive thing looks very pro tbh
2016-12-10T04:12:43 < Laurenceb_> and used stm32f3 as well
2016-12-10T04:12:48 < dongs> < has vive, can confirm
2016-12-10T04:12:55 < dongs> pro as fuck
2016-12-10T04:13:05 < Laurenceb_> stm32 based, so of course it is
2016-12-10T04:13:56 < dongs> 13C
2016-12-10T04:14:05 < dongs> but isnt it like evening in JEWSA
2016-12-10T04:14:12 < dongs> yea 7pm
2016-12-10T04:14:57 < dongs> is it being paid for by the new procompany
2016-12-10T04:15:24 < dongs> The client beta has just been updated with the following changes: 
2016-12-10T04:15:24 < dongs> Linux 
2016-12-10T04:15:24 < dongs> The Steam Controller works again with the older udev rules - upgrading your rules to allow Steam access to /dev/hidraw* is recommended for future feature support: 
2016-12-10T04:15:27 < dongs> lul
2016-12-10T04:15:33 < dongs> why does windows client show this crap
2016-12-10T04:15:36 < dongs> i dont care about lunix changelog
2016-12-10T04:17:00 < dongs> R2COM: killing floor is fucking lame, not even a crosshair to kill shit with
2016-12-10T04:17:23 < Laurenceb_> why does this page exist
2016-12-10T04:17:25 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeri_Ellsworth
2016-12-10T04:17:35 < Laurenceb_> beta orbiters tbh
2016-12-10T04:17:36 < dongs> Laurenceb_: self-aggrandizing garbage
2016-12-10T04:17:44 < aandrew> damn, can't find a relevant link
2016-12-10T04:17:50 < Laurenceb_> Ellsworth is a pinball aficionado and owns over 80 pinball machines.
2016-12-10T04:17:56 < dongs> aandrew: you wont, she made sure that piece of history was gone off the internet
2016-12-10T04:18:01 < aandrew> huh?
2016-12-10T04:18:10 < dongs> oh, i thought you wre looking for proof about C64 failure
2016-12-10T04:18:11 < aandrew> no I'm talking about the EM 6dof tracking stuff I'm working on
2016-12-10T04:18:14 < dongs> kk
2016-12-10T04:19:03 < ohsix> sup
2016-12-10T04:19:59 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn0xSbYOccU&index=1&list=PLVwZJJKxmz4CLjaJE4MQFFkNJz7H2lvpL kind of like that, but *way* smaller
2016-12-10T04:20:09 < aandrew> and tracking multiple emitters
2016-12-10T04:20:29 < Laurenceb_> I'd worry that EM would be good enough for location
2016-12-10T04:20:45 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: we can track sub-mm in an ~2m sphere
2016-12-10T04:20:52 < ohsix> :\ AvE turned unboxing via mill into a feature
2016-12-10T04:20:52 < Laurenceb_> but not have the orientation sensitivity of the vive
2016-12-10T04:20:58 < Laurenceb_> sub-mm position?
2016-12-10T04:21:02 < aandrew> sub-mm 6dof
2016-12-10T04:21:06 < aandrew> position+orientation
2016-12-10T04:21:10 < Laurenceb_> milliradian?
2016-12-10T04:21:11 < aandrew> active targers
2016-12-10T04:21:15 < aandrew> targets
2016-12-10T04:21:16 < Laurenceb_> orientation is radians
2016-12-10T04:21:46 < aandrew> IIRC the orientation is ~0.25 deg (I still have trouble thinking in radians)
2016-12-10T04:21:53 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-12-10T04:22:07 < Laurenceb_> 4mrad
2016-12-10T04:22:19 < Laurenceb_> thats pretty good
2016-12-10T04:23:02 < aandrew> EM tracking is nothing new like I said, but all the magic is in the wireless sync and in the metal calibration
2016-12-10T04:23:16 < aandrew> the latter being fucking weird shit, all hte math gurus are in that group
2016-12-10T04:23:24 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: for old junk there's nteinc, you can get the nte part then xref
2016-12-10T04:23:39 < ohsix> but for newer stuff, pretty much everyone still sells the things
2016-12-10T04:23:46 < Laurenceb_> just gain and offset?
2016-12-10T04:23:51 < ohsix> onsemi makes a lot of second source parts so i go there pretty often for xref
2016-12-10T04:23:52 < Laurenceb_> or more complex than that?
2016-12-10T04:24:26 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: no, it's a lot more than that
2016-12-10T04:24:48 < Laurenceb_> does it include stuff in the "room" ?
2016-12-10T04:25:00 < aandrew> basically the transmitters and receiver have to go through a cal where they measure the 3d fields so they can model the way any metal in the modules affects the field
2016-12-10T04:25:04 < aandrew> that's the other part
2016-12-10T04:25:13 < ohsix> R2COM: that's a dude
2016-12-10T04:25:24 < Laurenceb_> interesting, but sounds less user friendly than vive
2016-12-10T04:25:42 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: too bad you're not in waterloo or burlington, you sound like you've got some domain knowledge
2016-12-10T04:25:46 < aandrew> and they're hiring like mad right now
2016-12-10T04:25:54 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2016-12-10T04:25:59 < dongs> holy shit magic dick got 4.5billion in funding total
2016-12-10T04:26:01 < ohsix> jadew: chrome will open urls in last focused window, so you can switch to irc from an incognito window
2016-12-10T04:26:02 < Laurenceb_> who are they?
2016-12-10T04:26:08 < Laurenceb_> or is it secret?
2016-12-10T04:26:10 < dongs> i though it was just like few million from dumb VCs
2016-12-10T04:26:24 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: the company behind the tech is ascension tech in burlington, vt
2016-12-10T04:26:31 < englishman> dongs my paste skillz are leveling up, no shorts last ~10 panels
2016-12-10T04:26:40 < Laurenceb_> I used to work on attitude determination/rf for EADS
2016-12-10T04:26:45 < aandrew> I'm contracting for a medical device company called northern digital in waterloo, ontario who owns them
2016-12-10T04:26:46 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: ah heard of them
2016-12-10T04:26:55 < ColdKeyboard> ohsix Thanks!
2016-12-10T04:26:56 < Laurenceb_>  - ascension tech
2016-12-10T04:27:20 < dongs> englishman: nice
2016-12-10T04:27:37 < dongs> englishman: my pal cloned the lpkf pneumatic frame
2016-12-10T04:27:43 < englishman> nice
2016-12-10T04:27:48 < ColdKeyboard> Any of you guys from Canada? Or Toronto? :)
2016-12-10T04:27:50 < englishman> i want one
2016-12-10T04:27:51 < ColdKeyboard> Just curious
2016-12-10T04:27:54 < englishman> yes ColdKeyboard is
2016-12-10T04:28:07 < ColdKeyboard> Explains cold part :P
2016-12-10T04:28:18 < jadew> ohsix, doesn't open in the incognito window tho
2016-12-10T04:29:18 < stvn> what the fuck is magic dick
2016-12-10T04:29:25 < Laurenceb_> stvn: nothing
2016-12-10T04:29:30 < Laurenceb_> literally nothing
2016-12-10T04:29:36 < dongs> stvn: magic leap
2016-12-10T04:29:39 < stvn> 4.5bn into nothing.... sounds right
2016-12-10T04:29:45 < Laurenceb_> they have nothing but hype
2016-12-10T04:29:56 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: they are licensing this tech
2016-12-10T04:30:18 < dongs> http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/8/13894000/magic-leap-ar-microsoft-hololens-way-behind fuckin jews
2016-12-10T04:30:19 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: does it need big emitter coils of AM radio style rods?
2016-12-10T04:30:20 < aandrew> a couple people at NDI here have work ML headgear
2016-12-10T04:30:25 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: no, that's the old tech
2016-12-10T04:30:36 < Laurenceb_> *or
2016-12-10T04:30:46 < englishman> dongs, how long til i can get one on ebay.jp
2016-12-10T04:30:55 < aandrew> the transmitters we are using for one client are the size of a Wii controller. for another, they're smaller (with reduced range)
2016-12-10T04:31:00 < stvn> look at that disgusting fuck pictured in the article
2016-12-10T04:31:02 < jadew> speaking of which, is hololens out yet?
2016-12-10T04:31:03 < stvn> what a genetic mess
2016-12-10T04:31:15 < aandrew> er
2016-12-10T04:31:16 < Laurenceb_> lul stvn going full /pol/
2016-12-10T04:31:21 < aandrew> maybe it was hololens they wore... I don't remember now
2016-12-10T04:31:29 < aandrew> I haven't ever seen either which sucks
2016-12-10T04:31:31 < dongs> englishman: lpkf clone? not sure,  you still need metal stencils tho
2016-12-10T04:32:01 < englishman> theres a different type of stencil?
2016-12-10T04:32:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FJFRjYg.jpg
2016-12-10T04:32:31 < dongs> with this pattern on outside
2016-12-10T04:32:42 < dongs> and it grabs the shit and stretches
2016-12-10T04:32:56 < englishman> o there was another company making frames for stencils like that
2016-12-10T04:33:00 < englishman> not pneumatic but like $150
2016-12-10T04:33:12 < englishman> thing is they wanted to sell stencils too so wouldnt give up the design, would have to clone
2016-12-10T04:35:01 < dongs> "Your brain is like a graphics processor," CEO Rony Abovitz said at the time "We basically tried to clone what that signal is, we made a digital version of that, and we talk to the GPU of the brain."
2016-12-10T04:35:05 < dongs> haha
2016-12-10T04:35:11 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-12-10T04:35:18 < Laurenceb_> dude weed lmao
2016-12-10T04:35:21 < englishman> lol
2016-12-10T04:35:23 < englishman> florida
2016-12-10T04:35:54 < Laurenceb_> so anyways
2016-12-10T04:36:09 < englishman> https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/magic_leap-1.jpg
2016-12-10T04:36:09  * englishman Don’t call it a lens: Magic Leap founder Rony Abovitz displaying his company’s mysterious photonic lightfield chip.
2016-12-10T04:36:23 < Laurenceb_> I need 3A at 6V for ~2s
2016-12-10T04:36:34 < englishman> wall wart
2016-12-10T04:36:36 < Laurenceb_> and light
2016-12-10T04:36:42 < Laurenceb_> like <40grams
2016-12-10T04:36:47 < englishman> samsung charger
2016-12-10T04:36:58 < Laurenceb_> supercaps better than AA lithium
2016-12-10T04:37:00 < Laurenceb_>  ?
2016-12-10T04:37:12 < jadew> https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-hololens/en-us/order-now
2016-12-10T04:37:20 < jadew> looks like hololens is out
2016-12-10T04:37:26  * Laurenceb_ wonders if wired is still too shit to be worth reading
2016-12-10T04:37:29 < ohsix> this is what happens even when things go well 18:11 < dongs> except it was half baked garbage that didnt work and company that ended up with it had to spend a lot of money to get it into release state
2016-12-10T04:37:31 < jadew> @ 3k
2016-12-10T04:38:04 < dongs> hololens is a $3k outlook client
2016-12-10T04:38:08 < dongs> with zero software support
2016-12-10T04:38:08 < Laurenceb_> I need to protect it against shorts
2016-12-10T04:38:28 < Laurenceb_> maybe a fet to cut the power?
2016-12-10T04:38:34 < dongs> lipo?
2016-12-10T04:38:43 < jadew> dongs, that's less important tho, what matters is if they got the hw right
2016-12-10T04:38:51 < dongs> jadew: "right" for what?
2016-12-10T04:38:52 < Laurenceb_> it needs to be able to run at low temperatures
2016-12-10T04:39:01 < jadew> the beta reviewes said that it had a narrow field of view
2016-12-10T04:39:06 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: are you going to do any more horse shit? i didn't know about the skin shit or the contact point junk before the other day
2016-12-10T04:39:08 < jadew> which would kill the experience
2016-12-10T04:39:23 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: maybe
2016-12-10T04:39:30 < Laurenceb_> working on my rockoon atm
2016-12-10T04:39:37 < Laurenceb_> need to trigger the pyros
2016-12-10T04:39:42 < dongs> creating new autism
2016-12-10T04:40:00 < Laurenceb_> are polyfuses any good ?
2016-12-10T04:40:07 < Laurenceb_> massive temperature sensitivity right?
2016-12-10T04:40:59 < dongs> Laurenceb_: this is what you need http://www.vishay.com/docs/53041/epic.pdf
2016-12-10T04:41:03 < stvn> https://www.berrystreet.org.au/Pregnancy-A-Trigger-For-Violence
2016-12-10T04:41:14 < Laurenceb_> dongs: tried those
2016-12-10T04:41:26 < stvn> i think its only niggers who beat pregnant women yeh?
2016-12-10T04:41:27 < Laurenceb_> really hard to detonate much with them
2016-12-10T04:41:28 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQQRtArTmuM
2016-12-10T04:41:35 < Laurenceb_> as the wire is so fine
2016-12-10T04:41:36 < englishman> https://assets.wired.com/photos/w_600/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/ff_magic_leap-eric_browy.jpg
2016-12-10T04:41:40 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: good for what (polyfuse olol)
2016-12-10T04:41:41 < englishman> the fuck are they planning on here
2016-12-10T04:41:55 < Laurenceb_> holy shit say bye bye eyes
2016-12-10T04:42:00 < ohsix> jadew: i got to try a hololens with newer firmware, it isn't as jittery as it looked in demos
2016-12-10T04:42:02 < stvn> flushing money down the toilet englishman 
2016-12-10T04:42:04 < ohsix> jadew: it's real dumb though
2016-12-10T04:42:06 < Laurenceb_> looks like laser fusion in your eyeball
2016-12-10T04:42:17 < ohsix> jadew: it sort of works, that's the worst part about it
2016-12-10T04:42:26 < dongs> you can now run THREE separate apps
2016-12-10T04:42:29 < dongs> fucking wow
2016-12-10T04:42:41 < aandrew> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/wannabe-playboy-blows-1million-sports-9422154
2016-12-10T04:42:44 < ohsix> it still has narrow fov
2016-12-10T04:42:47 < stvn> what the fuck is an app
2016-12-10T04:42:52 < jadew> well, you have to start somewhere
2016-12-10T04:43:07 < ohsix> jadew: about the only cool thing it does is show a mesh that it's using for spatial reasoning when you do a gesture
2016-12-10T04:43:22 < jadew> I think they're going to be the pioneers of something great once again
2016-12-10T04:43:25 < ohsix> and even that is just for finding out what is breaking shit
2016-12-10T04:43:33 < ohsix> again? huhuh
2016-12-10T04:43:56 < ohsix> they have a chequered history of projects like hololens that go nowhere, lots of stuff out of microsoft research too
2016-12-10T04:44:09 < ohsix> they're still an incumbent office software supplier
2016-12-10T04:44:12 < ohsix> the rest is noise
2016-12-10T04:44:48 < Laurenceb_> ok so I have an idea
2016-12-10T04:45:01 < ohsix> 18:26 <+TUBman> <@l0deradio> www.twitch.tv/l0de the l0de radio hour is live! call in live at 415-349-5666 TONIGHT'S EPISODE: ENTER THE VOID
2016-12-10T04:45:32 < ohsix> what is the idea
2016-12-10T04:45:34 < Laurenceb_> AA main supply -> resistor to limit current -> supercaps -> high side fet -> pyros
2016-12-10T04:45:42 < dongs> lol, they added mouse support
2016-12-10T04:45:55 < ohsix> why aren't you just ordering squibs or the little igniters
2016-12-10T04:46:34 < aandrew> hm
2016-12-10T04:46:38 < ohsix> you can use resistors of a deftly chosen value, but the 'trigger' time is highly variable
2016-12-10T04:47:02 < aandrew> if I have a 0.9mm drill hole, what would you recommend for an annular ring diameter (db9 connector)
2016-12-10T04:47:21 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: I have to use the manufacter stuff with off the shelf rocket motors
2016-12-10T04:47:25 < ohsix> 1mm?
2016-12-10T04:47:28 < dongs> i did 1.3/1.5 oval
2016-12-10T04:47:28 < Laurenceb_> or rather I want to for reliability
2016-12-10T04:47:33 < dongs> for ethernet jack with 0.9 hole
2016-12-10T04:47:48 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/K31Ysds.jpg
2016-12-10T04:47:59 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: oh, ok
2016-12-10T04:48:01 < aandrew> you'd do a 0.05mm annular ring? are you insane?
2016-12-10T04:48:08 < dongs> aandrew:  < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/w6raX4c.png anyone wanna critique my ethernet jack footprint
2016-12-10T04:48:17 < ohsix> well, you don't need to think 2 hard about how to trigger them
2016-12-10T04:48:22 < aandrew> I'm looking at 2mm for 0.9mm drill looks okay in the 3d viewer
2016-12-10T04:48:31 < aandrew> dongs: yeah I commented on that this morning when you showed it
2016-12-10T04:48:34 < ohsix> regular AA batteries can do it
2016-12-10T04:48:37 < aandrew> it's a lul
2016-12-10T04:48:48 < dongs> anyway, that one was 1.3 and later i changed to ov al
2016-12-10T04:48:54 < dongs> so vertically its 1.5 
2016-12-10T04:49:34 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: eh horse junk, i guess email me or otherwise let me know, i can l33ch off this phd tha tknows about horse junk
2016-12-10T04:49:48 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/TAxJt that's 2mm on 0.9mm drill
2016-12-10T04:49:52 < ohsix> 2 way leechy street
2016-12-10T04:50:34 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: it also sounds like the 'vets' they had you work with were there to just keep you from doing anything (really, harming the animal)
2016-12-10T04:50:39 < upgrdman> dongs, whats mh mean
2016-12-10T04:50:42 < aandrew> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/amphenol-fci/D09P24A4GV00LF/609-1479-ND/1001793 that component specifically
2016-12-10T04:50:48 < ohsix> gotta know more so you can get them to back off or do it right
2016-12-10T04:50:48 < aandrew> upgrdman: mounting hole
2016-12-10T04:51:00 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-10T04:51:38 < dongs> aandrew: looks fine
2016-12-10T04:51:58 < dongs> the only reason to make it bigger is if you dont plan to route between them
2016-12-10T04:52:10 < dongs> ive seen some RJxx connectors where teh ring was so fucking huge you couldnt fit a trace between
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2016-12-10T04:52:54 < aandrew> dongs: yeah
2016-12-10T04:53:03 < aandrew> that's what I'm trying to manage
2016-12-10T04:53:09 < aandrew> might make them smaller once I start routing
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2016-12-10T04:54:43 < dongs> IPC specifies minimal anal ring shit, but its a pain to go through all teh garbage to figure out the actual reccomendation, lol
2016-12-10T04:55:23 < ohsix> google seems to know about 'ipc annular ring'
2016-12-10T04:55:32 < ohsix> http://www.eptac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/webinar_eptac_07_21_10.pdf first hit
2016-12-10T04:56:02 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/k3dUm that's a DB project from hell
2016-12-10T04:56:08 < aandrew> 6 layers because of all those fucking pins
2016-12-10T04:56:17 < dongs> Lol
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2016-12-10T04:56:48 < ohsix> getting mail from someone i thought would be asleep at 4am ... is weird
2016-12-10T04:57:36 < stvn> ipc sucked me off
2016-12-10T04:57:39 < ohsix> aandrew: lul those slides are on point
2016-12-10T04:57:41 < ohsix> with graphics
2016-12-10T04:57:48 < aandrew> ohsix: the silk?
2016-12-10T04:57:58 < ColdKeyboard_a> aandrew Altium? I love it
2016-12-10T04:57:59 < ohsix> copper
2016-12-10T04:58:14 < aandrew> ohsix: "slides" ?
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2016-12-10T04:58:25 < ohsix> 18:55 < ohsix> http://www.eptac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/webinar_eptac_07_21_10.pdf first hit
2016-12-10T05:00:11 < dongs> aandrew: now just shrink that into a ring form factor and add 13mp autofocus camera with face detection and lots of storage and make it send pics over wifi to my phone
2016-12-10T05:00:22 < aandrew> dongs: kek
2016-12-10T05:00:40 < dongs> make sure to keep all the DB25s
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2016-12-10T05:09:24 < stvn> dirty pinners
2016-12-10T05:10:39 < stvn> 50 pin through hole dog
2016-12-10T05:11:06 < ohsix> why is every debit/credit card in the world made in ohio
2016-12-10T05:11:09 < ohsix> boise
2016-12-10T05:11:22 < stvn> ohsix in space nobody can hear you scream
2016-12-10T05:11:53 < ohsix> conversely, you can't scream in space
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2016-12-10T05:14:21  * stvn puts ColdKeyboard in the oven
2016-12-10T05:14:27 < ohsix> in the ocean nobody can hear you drown
2016-12-10T05:15:37 < ColdKeyboard> Do you really drown then?
2016-12-10T05:16:00 < ColdKeyboard> stvn Gas oven? What's your last name? Do you have mustaches?
2016-12-10T05:16:13 < stvn> hitler
2016-12-10T05:16:43 < stvn> nah i kid, what is your stm32 story ColdKeyboard 
2016-12-10T05:16:44 < ColdKeyboard> makes sense. well I won't say no to free heat
2016-12-10T05:17:32 < ohsix> lul my bank offers up for editing all sorts of names for stuff that a banker would see when i talk with them
2016-12-10T05:17:42 < ohsix> can put something funny in there
2016-12-10T05:17:50 < stvn> ohsix, stm32 time
2016-12-10T05:18:00 < ohsix> 'hitler did nothing wrong' is the name of my checking account now
2016-12-10T05:18:05 < ohsix> stvn: do it
2016-12-10T05:18:13 < dongs> ohsix is still installing openoce and eclipse from source
2016-12-10T05:18:20 < dongs> compiling on a 386/16 with 4meg ram
2016-12-10T05:18:25 < stvn> beast
2016-12-10T05:18:44 < ColdKeyboard> stvn My story is that I suck with STM32 and I want to learn something... So I usually cry for help here when I hit the wall, which is every 2min :)
2016-12-10T05:18:57 < ColdKeyboard> Thank God for nice people on this channel :)
2016-12-10T05:19:04 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: learn the HAL. Love the HAL
2016-12-10T05:19:10 < aandrew> I resisted it for a long time
2016-12-10T05:19:22 < ohsix> then make jokes about not being able to open the pod bay doors
2016-12-10T05:19:50 < ColdKeyboard> aandrew But it's so damn dificuilt compared to stdperiph... I'm tryting to learn it but I keep hitting the wall
2016-12-10T05:19:50 < dongs> fuck hal
2016-12-10T05:20:17 < ColdKeyboard> :)
2016-12-10T05:20:35 < aandrew> stdperiph is not maintained anymore. you're tying yourself to a sinking ship
2016-12-10T05:21:16 < dongs> it is maintained
2016-12-10T05:21:24 < aandrew> not by STMicro
2016-12-10T05:21:35 < dongs> they update all the targets that they suport with it.
2016-12-10T05:22:08 < aandrew> ok, but are they bringing *new* parts to it?
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2016-12-10T05:24:14 < ColdKeyboard> Is there any measurable advantage to one over the other? In terms of speed, space or something like that?
2016-12-10T05:25:10 < aandrew> I don't think so
2016-12-10T05:25:25 < aandrew> but why learn something that has no new parts supportted?
2016-12-10T05:25:39 < dongs> because there's no need for new parts?
2016-12-10T05:25:48 < dongs> stdperiph works on F0/F1/F3/F4
2016-12-10T05:25:54 < dongs> thats hundreds of parts to choose from
2016-12-10T05:26:00 < dongs> F7 is to oexpensive to be useful anyway
2016-12-10T05:26:08 < ColdKeyboard> No, I agree on that. Just was curious if there is any difference. I saw that HAL is actually using a lot of macros to acces registers directly
2016-12-10T05:26:11 < dongs> if you need that many mhz you might as well go with atmel A5 or something
2016-12-10T05:28:31 < ColdKeyboard> I'm also thinking about doing some more serious stuff, maybe camera image capturing and manipulation with F407 or even try to learn some A series...
2016-12-10T05:28:49 < dongs> STM32 is not really suitable for camera junk anyway.
2016-12-10T05:28:58 < ohsix> aandrew: they have, but i've not watched closely
2016-12-10T05:29:55 < ColdKeyboard> dongs F407 has camera interface and a lot of ram. Could be usefull for some low-end stuff. For high end I would go with A or FPGA
2016-12-10T05:30:12 < dongs> as long as youre ok wiht 320x240 framegrabs, sure
2016-12-10T05:30:53 < ColdKeyboard> Did any of you guys work with QR codes and camera with STM? 
2016-12-10T05:32:49 < ohsix> lul debit card for my bank looks awesomely boring
2016-12-10T05:33:30 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: camera socs usually have codec cores and a bunch of stuff
2016-12-10T05:34:00 < ohsix> stm32 might be ok doing marker tracking or color recognition, but i dunno what the stuff is actually for
2016-12-10T05:36:36 < ColdKeyboard> ohsix Are there any SOC for QR code processing?
2016-12-10T05:36:52 < ColdKeyboard> I know it's very specific application but still...
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2016-12-10T05:39:15 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: eh not really
2016-12-10T05:39:29 < ohsix> they're designed to be machine readable, it's pretty 'easy'
2016-12-10T05:39:42 < aandrew> I've done cam stuff on 407
2016-12-10T05:39:52 < aandrew> granted, it was SPI to a CX93510 or 610
2016-12-10T05:40:07 < aandrew> but yeah I don't think it's so good for actual image processing
2016-12-10T05:41:01 < ColdKeyboard> I'll have to look into that. I'm really interested on how I could read a QR code with STM
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2016-12-10T05:45:25 < ohsix> hang on i'm looking for a url
2016-12-10T05:45:35 < ohsix> fack i've posted like 80 twitter links
2016-12-10T05:46:16 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: https://twitter.com/aoighost/status/804097977438654465
2016-12-10T05:46:31 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: that means you need memory to store the frame. if you're receiving JPEG from the sensor then you need to decode it first
2016-12-10T05:46:33 < ohsix> this is a way of saying that it looks complicated
2016-12-10T05:46:51 < ohsix> but it is designed to be read by machines
2016-12-10T05:48:01 < ohsix> a few years ago when i was blogbing with dongs i found some cool barcode junk
2016-12-10T05:48:20 < aandrew> cue;cat?
2016-12-10T05:48:26 < ohsix> with him having me on ignore i don't think my memory will be jogged enough to find it again
2016-12-10T05:48:31 < ohsix> nah he wanted to print them for something
2016-12-10T05:50:04 < ohsix> heheh i ordered a gy6 regulator for the scooter thing my bro has, the undeliverable address is a po box in vienna
2016-12-10T05:50:18 < ohsix> and the package is marked china but it's got austrian postage mark thing on it
2016-12-10T05:50:31 < ohsix> their shipping network shit is surprisingly sophisticated
2016-12-10T05:53:01 < ColdKeyboard> ohsix How the hell do I download that gif/video from twitter?
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2016-12-10T05:53:42 < dongs> ohsix's first real STM32 project could be the autism meter with STM32 and uguuFx
2016-12-10T05:54:30 < upgrdman> wtf. my digikey package has been at my local post office for 38 hours. when are those lazy niggers gonna deliver it
2016-12-10T05:55:00 < aandrew> have any of you ever used an analog switch for CAN termination control?
2016-12-10T05:55:04 < dongs> its weekend, so monday?
2016-12-10T05:55:06 < aandrew> or RS485 for tha tmatter
2016-12-10T05:55:07 < dongs> aandrew: yes
2016-12-10T05:55:16 < dongs> some dude here dicked with autotermination thing
2016-12-10T05:55:19 < aandrew> what'd you use? did it work well?
2016-12-10T05:55:26 < dongs> lemme find the s ch
2016-12-10T05:55:27 < upgrdman> dongs, friday night here. and they delivery on saturdays too.
2016-12-10T05:55:47 < aandrew> LTC2870 does it itself
2016-12-10T05:55:59 < dongs> aandrew: TS5A3166QDCKRQ1
2016-12-10T05:56:16 < dongs> just random analog switch
2016-12-10T05:56:21 < dongs> adding/removing 120R or wahtever
2016-12-10T05:56:34 < aandrew> http://forums.parallax.com/discussion/110690/rs485-network-schematic-with-auto-termination-updated-rev-k-final uses an opto which amazes me
2016-12-10T05:56:42 < aandrew> dongs: any old switch, interesting
2016-12-10T06:00:16 < dongs> i think im gonna go ahead and use opto for detecting rs485 short on this isolated board thign im doing
2016-12-10T06:00:21 < dongs> sounds like cheap and fun to try
2016-12-10T06:00:26 < aandrew> indeed
2016-12-10T06:00:35 < dongs> i just need to watch isolated vcc drop if there's a short, so it doenst haev to be accurate
2016-12-10T06:00:57 < aandrew> hm, those analog switches have voltage range of VCC
2016-12-10T06:01:23 < aandrew> not sure how safe that is to use for RS485
2016-12-10T06:01:33 < aandrew> have to look up the common mode voltage
2016-12-10T06:01:45 < dongs> this was for can
2016-12-10T06:01:52 < dongs> and not my proj so i just know it was done
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2016-12-10T06:06:47 < aandrew> RS485 differential voltage is tiny, but my concern is each differential end to common, which is what that analog switch will see
2016-12-10T06:07:22 < aandrew> that opto is a very interesting option, I just didn't think a single NPN opto would terminate on both 1s and 0s
2016-12-10T06:08:16 < dongs> frfo,m ther prop guy?
2016-12-10T06:08:32 < ohsix> holy shit https://twitter.com/somebadideas/status/807141424030486530
2016-12-10T06:10:05 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: eh youtube-dl can get most things, but no idea
2016-12-10T06:10:18 < ohsix> in firefux i'd just hit ctrl+i then go to the media tab for the url
2016-12-10T06:10:47 < ohsix> aandrew: i bought a bunch of rs485 junk to dick with
2016-12-10T06:10:59 < ohsix> like 10 modules and a usb one
2016-12-10T06:11:06 < ohsix> wat ru doing, looking for something to do with it
2016-12-10T06:11:44 < ohsix> what's the termination control for, coming off the bus when you're not active or something?
2016-12-10T06:12:08 < aandrew> so some old japanese dude doesn't like AI learning how to walk becuase it looks like it's mocking his friend with a disability
2016-12-10T06:12:17 < ohsix> ya
2016-12-10T06:12:46 < aandrew> ohsix: just looking at having a way to electronically terminate RS485 and CAN without relays
2016-12-10T06:12:57 < ohsix> he's a bigwig tho and the japanese thundering mentor/student respectable/casual way of speaking, it seems like he destroyed the guy
2016-12-10T06:13:10 < aandrew> yes I agree, I got that
2016-12-10T06:13:17 < aandrew> just doesn't seem like "best thing in 2016"
2016-12-10T06:13:20 < ohsix> i might have cried
2016-12-10T06:13:27 < ohsix> eh
2016-12-10T06:13:47 < ohsix> true, i posted it for the berating, but it is a commentary on machine learning and respect for human beings and all that shit
2016-12-10T06:13:57 < dongs> how many RS485 projects have ohsix "terminated", really?
2016-12-10T06:14:14 < ohsix> they're dressing up an ai thing as a grotesque wiggly zombie movement
2016-12-10T06:14:40 < ohsix> when they're cubes it's not so bad ;]
2016-12-10T06:14:46 < aandrew> I've done dozens of RS485 designs, but I've always shied away from autoterm
2016-12-10T06:14:52 < dongs> my led bars and dmx controller are installed on some hueg bridge in best korea
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2016-12-10T06:15:01 < aandrew> either SPST switch or jumper or additional pin to short it
2016-12-10T06:15:21 < ohsix> i don't know what i'll actually ever use rs485 for, huhu
2016-12-10T06:15:26 < dongs> aandrew: the motivation for self-terminated CAN on this garbage was "users are dumb, so they won't be able to figure out which end to t erminate"
2016-12-10T06:15:31 < ohsix> the shit was just cheap and if it comes up i can use it
2016-12-10T06:15:41 < aandrew> ohsix: I liked the learninig how to walk bit with the dinosaur thing and hten later human
2016-12-10T06:15:47 < aandrew> dongs: agreed
2016-12-10T06:15:48 < aandrew> totally
2016-12-10T06:16:03 < aandrew> and all my experience agrees with you
2016-12-10T06:16:04 < ohsix> auto termination probably helps in installation too
2016-12-10T06:16:30 < ohsix> not necessarily due to ignorance, but you can have fewer fasteners/parts and have one unit type
2016-12-10T06:16:42 < aandrew> yeah, driver output voltage is 7-12V
2016-12-10T06:16:45 < aandrew> can't use that SPST
2016-12-10T06:17:11 < dongs> fun times.
2016-12-10T06:19:20 < aandrew> LTC2872 is interesting
2016-12-10T06:19:49 < upgrdman> what's self-term'd can? every node has 160ohms across canh/canl ?
2016-12-10T06:20:42 < aandrew> no
2016-12-10T06:20:48 < aandrew> the term is electronically switched in or out
2016-12-10T06:20:59 < aandrew> you can't ahve everything terminated, loads the shit out of the bus
2016-12-10T06:21:07 < upgrdman> o so firmware can en/disable it?
2016-12-10T06:21:26 < upgrdman> ya i figured, 160ohms all over the place is pretty low impedence
2016-12-10T06:21:58 < aandrew> yeah LTC2855 looks to be the one with autoterm
2016-12-10T06:22:01 < aandrew> upgrdman: correct
2016-12-10T06:22:04 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-10T06:24:42 < aandrew> hm wonder why 2855 does not have tx term, only rx
2016-12-10T06:24:46 < aandrew> (this is full duplex)
2016-12-10T06:29:07 < ohsix> you still need to tell the node to terminate right? there's no clever way to detect you're on one of the ends? or on a star or whatever
2016-12-10T06:35:18 < aandrew> ohsix: correct
2016-12-10T06:35:43 < dongs> google: correct
2016-12-10T06:35:49 < aandrew> ohsix: I suppose you could ADC hte lines and try to guess it but really you can do it much more easily with trying ot see if your data is fucked and turning on term otherwise
2016-12-10T06:36:37 < dongs> practical circuit design advice from ohsix itt
2016-12-10T06:36:49 < dongs> powered by alphabet, inc
2016-12-10T06:36:56 < aandrew> almost as good as r2com whining about my work
2016-12-10T06:37:56 < dongs> a least R2BRO has some marketable skills and a 6figure slary
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2016-12-10T06:42:45 < englishman> too bad he doesnt know his left hand from his right
2016-12-10T06:47:02 < aandrew> 6 figures isn't hard to hit
2016-12-10T06:47:17 < aandrew> any engineer working more than 5 years ought to be making $100k+
2016-12-10T06:47:32 < aandrew> if not, they're being taken
2016-12-10T06:47:45 < dongs> it is if you sperg in your bedroom all day
2016-12-10T06:48:39 < aandrew> hm, MAX3491 vs LTC2855 is a $2 difference ($3.78 vs $5.60) in onesie-twosie, it's almost a no brainer
2016-12-10T06:48:47 < aandrew> still don't understand why it doesn't have term on both TX and RX sides
2016-12-10T06:52:19 < ohsix> so, what's a completely artifical use for rs485 so i can do it
2016-12-10T06:52:37 < ohsix> gist is 'longer serial connection over twisted pair' right?
2016-12-10T06:53:11 < ohsix> is there enough current on there for passive rs485 nodes
2016-12-10T06:53:46 < ohsix> something extremely low power, no local battery
2016-12-10T06:56:45 < ohsix> oh wait, i think that was exactly what someone was doing a while back, when i decided to get some junk
2016-12-10T07:03:13 < aandrew> ohsix: no
2016-12-10T07:03:18 < aandrew> thre are some tricks you can play, but no
2016-12-10T07:04:28 < dongs> tricks: get a new nick, sperg less, complete an actual STM32 project
2016-12-10T07:14:32 < aandrew> what's wrong with my nick?
2016-12-10T07:14:46 < upgrdman> he's referring to ohsix
2016-12-10T07:17:38 < dongs> yeah i mean how could you think it was addressed to you
2016-12-10T07:21:56 < aandrew> I don't see how you can use an analog switch for CAN term
2016-12-10T07:22:11 < aandrew> ISO spec is -3 to +32V for DC voltage range
2016-12-10T07:22:19 < aandrew> hell even the common mode is -2 to +7 (like RS485)
2016-12-10T07:22:29 < aandrew> I'm sure the switch works in some applications
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2016-12-10T07:28:51 < ohsix> find some of the can parts and see if they even do that
2016-12-10T07:29:17 < ohsix> -3 is probably a tolerance thing, clamped but expected by ~all devices
2016-12-10T07:29:41 < ohsix> does it break if an intermediary clamps -3v to 0?
2016-12-10T07:30:03 < ohsix> er
2016-12-10T07:30:34 < ohsix> lul timecop is talking shit to people on other channels cuz nobody will indulge him here :D
2016-12-10T07:31:01 < aandrew> yes it's a tolerance thing, but that means I need to be able to tolerate it
2016-12-10T07:32:50 < ohsix> yea, clamping doesn't count?
2016-12-10T07:32:52 < dongs> application: lienux on dickstop
2016-12-10T07:33:01 < stvn> no
2016-12-10T07:33:36 < aandrew> looking at AN228 from microchip (it talks about their MCP2551) it says that recessive state floats to 2.5V
2016-12-10T07:33:53 < aandrew> dominant drives CANH ~1V higher than CANL
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2016-12-10T07:40:29 < aandrew> ok
2016-12-10T07:40:32 < aandrew> I think I'm overthinking
2016-12-10T07:40:47 < aandrew> this specific application is pretty much a bunch of shit in a custom rack with a robotic arm
2016-12-10T07:41:02 < aandrew> so I don't have to worry much about ground offsets
2016-12-10T07:41:12 < aandrew> because the entire chassis shares a power connection and a ground
2016-12-10T07:41:57 < aandrew> yeah.
2016-12-10T07:42:00 < aandrew> I'm overthinking this
2016-12-10T07:42:04 < aandrew> RS485 as well
2016-12-10T07:44:23  * stvn passes aandrew a special type of cigarette
2016-12-10T07:44:50 < stvn> don't let steffan know i gave you one
2016-12-10T07:44:58 < aandrew> lol
2016-12-10T07:45:03 < aandrew> pot's not really my thing
2016-12-10T07:45:18 < aandrew> I'd take a handful of shrooms though
2016-12-10T07:45:30 < stvn> hahaha
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2016-12-10T07:59:06 < ReadErr> gdamn efnet was/is sperging hard tonight
2016-12-10T07:59:22 < ReadErr> the times we live in boys
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2016-12-10T08:11:28 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DE740lwp/fuckadobe.png
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2016-12-10T08:12:51 < dongs> i thought that  said "fuckable" for a while and kept looking for the funny
2016-12-10T08:13:09 < ohsix> old?
2016-12-10T08:13:19 < ohsix> why don't you use a better pdf reader
2016-12-10T08:13:24 < ReadErr> I need 3d
2016-12-10T08:13:29 < ReadErr> to grab some shit
2016-12-10T08:13:37 < ohsix> pdf x-change does that
2016-12-10T08:13:42 < ohsix> url to a pdf with it in it?
2016-12-10T08:13:54 < dongs> 3d wehat
2016-12-10T08:14:26 < ReadErr> 'tracker-software'
2016-12-10T08:14:31 < ReadErr> lovely company name
2016-12-10T08:14:35 < ReadErr> looks shady 
2016-12-10T08:15:00 < dongs> acrobad dreamycuck edition
2016-12-10T08:15:05 < ReadErr> adobe reader dc is free 
2016-12-10T08:15:15 < ReadErr> just cant be a tard and leave those boxes checked or get cucked
2016-12-10T08:15:17 < dongs> jokes aside, acrobat is the best pdf viewer hands down
2016-12-10T08:15:29 < dongs> all those retarded free and paid wannabees made with opensores or wihtout are complete shit
2016-12-10T08:16:52 < ohsix> this came up recently and someone was still using sumatrapdf
2016-12-10T08:17:43 < ohsix> i was whinging about nobody even looking at the software being discussed and remarked sumatra sucked bad in the past, then i checked it out, it's a lot better now
2016-12-10T08:17:51 < ohsix> still use pdf x-change tho
2016-12-10T08:18:38 < ohsix> then i decided to never care again, but you're a pal
2016-12-10T08:19:18 < ohsix> on ~most computers now, chrome in browser plugin is de-facto reader
2016-12-10T08:19:29 < ohsix> unless i'm working
2016-12-10T08:21:22 < ReadErr> chrome cant do 3d though
2016-12-10T08:22:12 < dongs> are you talkin about 3d pdf?
2016-12-10T08:22:17 < ReadErr> ya
2016-12-10T08:22:17 < dongs> chrome pdf viewer is retarded as fuck
2016-12-10T08:22:21 < dongs> slow and shit
2016-12-10T08:22:31 < dongs> first thing I do when a site opens PDF in chrome is save it so i can reopen wiht acrobat
2016-12-10T08:22:32 < ReadErr> 3d pdf is easiest way to get renders out of altium
2016-12-10T08:22:48 < dongs> ReadErr: you mean... other htan screenshot? lo
2016-12-10T08:22:52 < ReadErr> yea
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2016-12-10T08:35:04 < ReadErr> damn it wants you to PAY monthly to export to word
2016-12-10T08:44:07 < ohsix> it sure is a link
2016-12-10T08:44:32 < ohsix> has all the constituent parts
2016-12-10T08:53:33 < englishman> rofl $5k for a 1080p laptop
2016-12-10T08:54:04 < englishman> 13lbs 
2016-12-10T08:54:31 < englishman> your signing bonus is really burning a hole in your pocket
2016-12-10T08:54:56 < englishman> you should 100% get that
2016-12-10T08:55:55 < dongs> gtx1080 sli, haha
2016-12-10T08:55:59 < dongs> in a laptop what teh fuck
2016-12-10T08:57:48 < dongs> i wouldn't say no to a 12-14" laptop wiht gtx1050 or 1060 in it and 4K screen
2016-12-10T08:58:05 < dongs> intel gfx really fucking sucks dick
2016-12-10T08:58:17 < englishman> but this has blue-ray
2016-12-10T08:58:39 < dongs> who teh fuck watchesa ctual jewrays
2016-12-10T08:58:42 < dongs> on laptops
2016-12-10T08:58:46 < dongs> like physical disks
2016-12-10T08:58:56 < englishman> dono I've never seen a blueray
2016-12-10T08:59:42 < englishman> its great, get it
2016-12-10T08:59:54 < englishman> will Intel gfx improve if they buy amd
2016-12-10T09:00:04 < englishman> Or get worse
2016-12-10T09:01:48 < ReadErr> just play CS:S
2016-12-10T09:01:50 < ReadErr> get 300fps
2016-12-10T09:01:55 < ReadErr> constant 
2016-12-10T09:02:09 < englishman> you're asking for reasons not to buy it
2016-12-10T09:02:14 < englishman> but you won't get any
2016-12-10T09:02:28 < englishman> your mind is made up
2016-12-10T09:02:33 < ReadErr> bet you can play like 30 minutes of games
2016-12-10T09:02:35 < ReadErr> before it dies 
2016-12-10T09:02:40 < ReadErr> and needs to be plugged up
2016-12-10T09:08:15 < dongs> buy macbook pro 15" wiht TOUCH BAR
2016-12-10T09:13:47 < ReadErr> englishman: wtf happened last night
2016-12-10T09:14:35 < englishman> ?
2016-12-10T09:14:39 < englishman> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-December/126684.html
2016-12-10T09:14:48 < englishman> amd pwning lunix
2016-12-10T09:15:24 < ReadErr> amd gross
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2016-12-10T09:59:55 < ohsix> sup chaps
2016-12-10T10:00:02 < ohsix> englishman: lul
2016-12-10T10:01:13 < ohsix> i like those links, i used to post them and nobody read anything :\
2016-12-10T10:02:01 < ohsix> dang that email is as close as you can get to an html mail without the html part
2016-12-10T10:03:11 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPE928xUKL4
2016-12-10T10:03:14 < ohsix> and airlied wasn't taking a shot at their culture, the guy goes on to make some other point about their business interest that is already not relevant to what actually may end up happening
2016-12-10T10:03:14 < ReadErr> oi wtf
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2016-12-10T10:04:19 < ohsix> then just implies it's a style question
2016-12-10T10:04:21 < ohsix> amd dude sux
2016-12-10T10:04:22 < ReadErr> lol black people always freak out over magic
2016-12-10T10:04:46 < ohsix> twice implies it isnt' about logic or rational action to respond in that way
2016-12-10T10:04:52 < ohsix> ReadErr: shit is fake, man
2016-12-10T10:04:57 < ReadErr> nope
2016-12-10T10:05:20 < ReadErr> see that old guy doin it with the mouse?
2016-12-10T10:05:24 < ReadErr> its all real 
2016-12-10T10:05:54 < ohsix> ahaha parting shot at the linux desktop
2016-12-10T10:05:58 < ohsix> guy is really invested in linux
2016-12-10T10:06:28 < ReadErr> I just let lunixdesktop.com expire
2016-12-10T10:06:34 < ReadErr> faith is lost
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2016-12-10T10:07:16 < ohsix> ReadErr: the reactions are faked
2016-12-10T10:07:23 < ReadErr> o
2016-12-10T10:07:25 < ReadErr> yea maybe
2016-12-10T10:07:31 < ohsix> /carefully manipulated to be exaggerated
2016-12-10T10:07:37 < ReadErr> but the trick is real
2016-12-10T10:07:50 < ohsix> what's the trick?
2016-12-10T10:07:52 < ReadErr> or performance...i guess
2016-12-10T10:08:06 < ReadErr> swallowing a live animal and regurgitating it 
2016-12-10T10:08:12 < ReadErr> on command
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2016-12-10T10:58:37 < ohsix> lul, first howstuffworks link i've clicked on in a million years, and the article doesn't even explain how that thing works
2016-12-10T10:59:58 < ohsix> tripcheck (oregon highway/road safety org) mentions retractable studded tires coming to the market and being well known by 2009
2016-12-10T11:00:15 < ohsix> it looks like they have zero evidence to support that, even when they wrote it, lul
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2016-12-10T11:11:32 < ohsix> reading all this shit, it is weird to see how ineffective studded tires actually seem to be
2016-12-10T11:20:49 < dongs> hmm
2016-12-10T11:20:53 < dongs> aandrew: dong
2016-12-10T11:21:11 < dongs> fucker probly sleeping
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2016-12-10T11:46:52 < upgrdman> ohsix, arent there winter tires w/o studs that handle snow well?
2016-12-10T11:47:04 < upgrdman> they have bigger grooves or whatever
2016-12-10T11:49:18 < Fleck> snow is not the problem
2016-12-10T11:49:21 < Fleck> problem is ice
2016-12-10T11:50:15 < upgrdman> o
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2016-12-10T12:12:23 < jpa-> ohsix: three things for good winter tires: 1) softer rubber which grips the road also in cold  2) deeper grooves and better lamelles  3) studs    in the order of decreasing importance; studs matter only on ice
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2016-12-10T12:18:46 < Steffanx> And chains..
2016-12-10T12:19:33 < ReadErr> studs and chains
2016-12-10T12:19:37 < ReadErr> yall some kind of pre-verts
2016-12-10T12:20:02 < Steffanx> WTF is a pre-verts?
2016-12-10T12:20:05 < Steffanx> -s
2016-12-10T12:21:22 < ReadErr> not sure, just made it up
2016-12-10T12:26:40 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2016-12-10T12:27:40 < ReadErr> seen any black petes yet ?
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2016-12-10T12:29:12 < Steffanx> They already left the country, it's time for santa now.
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2016-12-10T12:31:29 < Steffanx> ReadErr has issues with black pete?
2016-12-10T12:31:42 < ReadErr> no black pete is awesome
2016-12-10T12:31:58 < ReadErr> it wouldnt go over very well in the states though
2016-12-10T12:36:02 < Steffanx> it doesn't go well here.
2016-12-10T12:37:03 < Steffanx> now we get: http://campusblog.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Regenboogpieten-1.jpg http://www.zwartepietenonderzoek.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/regenboog-piet.jpg  and http://media.nu.nl/m/yugxqawahpxl_wd640.jpg/alleen-roetveegpieten-bij-intocht-sinterklaas-in-amsterdam.jpg :P
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2016-12-10T12:49:24 < PaulFertser> jpa-: in the past two years, I fell two times on ice, so I guess studded tires would be kinda useful. I've seen ice on paved roads here as well.
2016-12-10T12:51:26 < ReadErr> lol black pete is way cooler than the rainbow umpa lumpas
2016-12-10T12:52:48 < Steffanx> Studded shoes would be more useful in your case PaulFertser :P
2016-12-10T12:53:36 < Steffanx> or just those spike "addons"
2016-12-10T12:54:54 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: heh, in fact I have boots with studs but I'm apparently too light for them to make a difference. Also, they won't help riding a bicycle unless I'm walking it :)
2016-12-10T12:55:30 < Steffanx> oh, bike tires :P
2016-12-10T12:56:09 < Steffanx> *bicycle.
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2016-12-10T13:03:11 < stvn> haha
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2016-12-10T13:25:00 < stvn> clop clop wheres Laurenceb 
2016-12-10T13:32:39 < BrainDamage> horsing around
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2016-12-10T14:04:15 < dongs> hmm
2016-12-10T14:04:25 < dongs> i really dont wanna use a special linear optocoupler for this shit
2016-12-10T14:04:42 < dongs> cuz i have thousands of ILD207T on reel
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2016-12-10T14:06:34 < ohsix> jpa-: ya
2016-12-10T14:06:59 < ohsix> i'm just going to get wire chains and put them on days / roads it's implied
2016-12-10T14:07:23 < ohsix> they make an amazing noise
2016-12-10T14:09:15 < ohsix> hrm heh weird
2016-12-10T14:09:27 < ohsix> fedora stuff is really weird after using dpkg/apt for so long
2016-12-10T14:10:06 < ohsix> i thought the upgrade on my other craptoppe was busted in a way i've yet to find out a method to fix, except new releases don't necessarily have a new package
2016-12-10T14:10:29 < ohsix> i'm on 24 and 25 respectively, but if i install non-ntk, package has fc22 in it; the repos are all linked together
2016-12-10T14:10:57 < ohsix> beats no change rebuilds for new distro versions i guess :D
2016-12-10T14:13:03 < ohsix> it's a lot simpler and does shit in a way that makes a lot of sense, but it's weird :<
2016-12-10T14:14:56 < stvn> buckets of horse semen
2016-12-10T14:15:47 < dongs> literally
2016-12-10T14:16:47 < dongs> crt, could you increase your creative blogging quality
2016-12-10T14:16:55 < dongs> its hitting new lows
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2016-12-10T14:32:52 < stvn> hmm
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2016-12-10T14:55:10 < ohsix> poo sprite
2016-12-10T14:55:22 < ohsix> wtf 5am
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2016-12-10T16:01:55 < [7]> does someone happen to know how to best figure out which base address code is executing from on m0/m3?
2016-12-10T16:02:15 < [7]> I guess I won't be able to avoid assembly code for that
2016-12-10T16:03:18 < PaulFertser> [7]: you can "reset halt" and look at PC?
2016-12-10T16:03:26 < [7]> at runtime I mean
2016-12-10T16:03:48 < [7]> I need to write some code that moves itself into place before relying on its address
2016-12-10T16:05:26 < [7]> oh that ADR instruction might come in handy, don't need to bother about the PC register offset then
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2016-12-10T16:22:51 < stvn> good morning Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-10T16:22:59 < Laurenceb_> afternoon
2016-12-10T16:26:57 < jpa-> [7]: look at NVIC base address?
2016-12-10T16:29:58 < jpa-> or if you want to fetch the PC value, you can use GCC __builtin_return_address()
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2016-12-10T17:15:50 < Tectu> Okay guys, procrastination time! Give me some links to click on!
2016-12-10T17:18:08 < gjm> https://www.google.pl/
2016-12-10T17:18:27 < gjm> awwwwwww
2016-12-10T17:18:29 < gjm> shieet
2016-12-10T17:18:44 < jpa-> Tectu: https://community.ugfx.io/blogs/blog/3-%C2%B5gfx-development/
2016-12-10T17:18:59 < Tectu> jpa-, I'm not that desperate
2016-12-10T17:21:18 < englishman> Tectu: https://community.ugfx.io/bug_tracker.html/
2016-12-10T17:21:47 < Steffanx> Tectu: http://www.kanjers.nl/
2016-12-10T17:25:42 < Tectu> stop the trolling
2016-12-10T17:26:35 < gjm> Tectu: https://steelraven7.itch.io/ravenfield
2016-12-10T17:33:38 < Steffanx> I saw that game on imgur, wanted to download, but forgot.
2016-12-10T17:34:01 < Laurenceb_> Tectu with the huge chin
2016-12-10T17:34:29 < ReadErr> #GAS THE BIKES, RACE WAR NOW!
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2016-12-10T17:36:51 < Laurenceb_> I hear they need new fighters in Aleppo Tectu
2016-12-10T17:38:00 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, yeah but the internet connectivity down there kinda sucks
2016-12-10T17:40:44 < ReadErr> depends what side of the line you are on
2016-12-10T17:40:46 < ReadErr> i suppose
2016-12-10T17:43:21 < Kliment> Hey Tectu
2016-12-10T17:43:41 < Tectu> Hi Kliment 
2016-12-10T17:43:45 < Tectu> how's stuff going?
2016-12-10T17:43:50 < Kliment> shitty
2016-12-10T17:43:56 < Tectu> welcome to the party
2016-12-10T17:44:04 < Tectu> wanna talk about it?
2016-12-10T17:44:07 < Kliment> Have a tax audit coming up and they want documentation from me but they won't tell me what
2016-12-10T17:44:20 < Kliment> And they won't answer their phones either
2016-12-10T17:44:35 < Steffanx> Lol.
2016-12-10T17:45:07 < Kliment> audit is in January but I have to deliver documentation in machine-readable format by 21. Dec
2016-12-10T17:45:12 < Tectu> It's Saturday, try calling them on Monday
2016-12-10T17:45:19 < Tectu> oh boy
2016-12-10T17:45:22 < Tectu> that sounds horrible
2016-12-10T17:45:31 < Kliment> Well, I tried calling yesterday noon, as soon as I got the letter
2016-12-10T17:46:38 < Tectu> that reminds me... didn't you have a dentist's appointment on the 21. December? :p
2016-12-10T17:46:56 < Kliment> anyways, worst case I get to dig up all the receipts for my business expenses since beginning of 2014
2016-12-10T17:46:58 < Steffanx> Lolwut. Are you kliments agenda?
2016-12-10T17:47:07 < Kliment> Tectu: No, I don't think so
2016-12-10T17:47:23 < Kliment> Tectu: I'm going to a concert on the 20th
2016-12-10T17:47:47 < Kliment> Tectu: beyond that, I don't think I have much planned that week
2016-12-10T17:49:54 < dongs> Kliment: so what do i do on output of that opto to stick it into adc. do I just http://hades.mech.northwestern.edu/images/4/43/Analoginpic.gif and yolo?
2016-12-10T17:50:34 < dongs> (not interested in adding opamos etc)
2016-12-10T17:53:07 < Kliment> dongs: Do you want to measure voltage or just on/off?
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2016-12-10T17:53:34 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs, google jeri ellsworth ^
2016-12-10T17:54:12 < Kliment> Jeri is the homemade FET person
2016-12-10T17:54:37 < Kliment> Really badass quartz oven setup with a tea kettle for steam
2016-12-10T17:54:42 < Laurenceb_> lul Jeri is 42
2016-12-10T17:54:55 < Laurenceb_> basement dwellers literally fapping over a milf
2016-12-10T17:55:13 < Laurenceb_> only like them she will never reproduce
2016-12-10T17:55:16 < dongs> Kliment: voltage
2016-12-10T17:55:19 < dongs> but roughly
2016-12-10T17:55:29 < dongs> just to see some drop if idiots short out the isolated 200mA supply
2016-12-10T17:55:37 < dongs> i suspect the drop will be quite significant anyway
2016-12-10T17:55:56 < Kliment> dongs: Okay, so remember that the opto is a current transducer
2016-12-10T17:56:19 < Kliment> dongs: So you need a voltage to current setup one side and current to voltage setup on the other
2016-12-10T17:56:27 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwHKafdVMAA9RHK.jpg
2016-12-10T17:56:32 < Laurenceb_> she looks about 80
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2016-12-10T17:57:15 < Kliment> dongs: For the LED side, you put a resistor of known value from the supply to the opto anode
2016-12-10T17:57:21 < Kliment> dongs: cathode to gnd
2016-12-10T17:57:34 < dongs> Kliment: right, the normal way of using it
2016-12-10T17:57:51 < Kliment> dongs: Then, on the phototransistor side, you put a resistor of known value to gnd
2016-12-10T17:58:07 < Kliment> dongs: You can calculate the relative values from the current transfer ratio of the opto
2016-12-10T17:58:18 < dongs> on which side? emitter?
2016-12-10T17:58:19 < dongs> or collector
2016-12-10T17:59:46 < dongs> usually opto has a collector pullup to vcc , emitter to gnd, and t he collector shit goes tp gpio/wahtever pin
2016-12-10T18:00:41 < dongs> http://learn.parallax.com/sites/default/files/content/shield/robo_ch6/series_sch.jpg
2016-12-10T18:00:43 < Kliment> dongs: collector to vcc, emitter to resistor, resistor to gnd, measure at emitter through a series resistor
2016-12-10T18:00:44 < dongs> k got this
2016-12-10T18:00:52 < dongs> yah
2016-12-10T18:01:47 < dongs> why need series? to make a divider or something?
2016-12-10T18:02:09 < Kliment> No, just to increase impedance on the input
2016-12-10T18:02:26 < Kliment> since you're not using an opamp buffer
2016-12-10T18:03:11 < dongs> allrighty. cna always 0R it if shit is working too well/etc
2016-12-10T18:03:41 < dongs> hm i wish i knew how to make local to sheet ports in altidumb
2016-12-10T18:04:35 < dongs> Note that the GOST style Power Ports function in exactly the same way as the standard Power Ports, that is: power nets of the same name automatically connect throughout the design. There is one exception to this rule, if a Power Port is specifically wired to a Port object then that power net becomes local to that sheet, net connections beyond the sheet must then be defined by the wiring of the Port/Sheet Entry combination.
2016-12-10T18:04:41 < dongs> hmm wat
2016-12-10T18:04:56 < dongs> aha
2016-12-10T18:05:00 < dongs> k, i can deal with that
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2016-12-10T19:22:01 < englishman> dongs: ritot update https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk28Szo5fDI
2016-12-10T19:23:17 < BrainDamage> giant black tape conveniently placed to mask the lens array and emitter size
2016-12-10T19:26:29 < dongs> http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/286852/South_Korea_cracks_down_on_cheaters_with_law_targeting_illicit_game_mods.php haha srs biz
2016-12-10T19:26:39 < dongs> > those found guilty could face up to 5 years in jail or roughly $43,000 in fines.
2016-12-10T19:26:44 < dongs> hack starcraft: go to jail for 5 years
2016-12-10T19:28:14 < dongs> englishman: is that the one with a static twatter icon
2016-12-10T19:28:43 < englishman> no, it blinks
2016-12-10T19:29:06 < dongs> is taht a copper heatpipe
2016-12-10T19:30:09 < Kliment> dongs: They did just impeach their president
2016-12-10T19:30:17 < Kliment> dongs: maybe she was caught cheating at SC
2016-12-10T19:31:55 < kakimir> is there a sole korean youngster that doesn't play starcraft?
2016-12-10T19:32:22 < kakimir> it's it like national sport to korea
2016-12-10T19:32:34 < Kliment> Yes, there are may
2016-12-10T19:32:39 < Kliment> many*
2016-12-10T19:32:53 < Kliment> Just like there are many people who don't play hockey in your town
2016-12-10T19:33:14 < sync> that is not true
2016-12-10T19:33:20 < sync> every finn plays hockey
2016-12-10T19:33:26 < sync> tru fact
2016-12-10T19:33:49 < Kliment> sync: I lived in Finland for ten years. There are plenty of kids who never play hockey after the initial trauma of being forced to do so at school
2016-12-10T19:34:08 < sync> that is not true at all
2016-12-10T19:34:14 < Kliment> sync: And many of those don't play nest-ball either
2016-12-10T19:34:21 < sync> if so, they are not true finns.
2016-12-10T19:34:25 < Steffanx> trauma Kliment -_-
2016-12-10T19:34:39 < kakimir> who has time for it anyways
2016-12-10T19:34:45 < Steffanx> I have a trauma for being forced to learn math, and history, and german, and french and .. :P
2016-12-10T19:34:47 < BrainDamage> did you literally just use the "no true scotsman" argument?
2016-12-10T19:34:50 < englishman> every finn plays Alcoholism
2016-12-10T19:34:55 < Kliment> Steffanx: Yeah, sports class is perceived as traumatic by lots of people
2016-12-10T19:35:15 < BrainDamage> do they throw people in the cold naked?
2016-12-10T19:35:25 < Steffanx> Sauna first, BrainDamage.
2016-12-10T19:35:28 < Steffanx> Then the cold bath.
2016-12-10T19:35:30 < Kliment> BrainDamage: No, that's what you do voluntarily after sauna
2016-12-10T19:35:41 < Kliment> BrainDamage: It's good fun too
2016-12-10T19:35:46 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Unlike nest-ball
2016-12-10T19:36:07 < BrainDamage> i have done it, and don't find it particulary fun
2016-12-10T19:36:14 < Steffanx> :D
2016-12-10T19:36:30 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Everyone has their own idea of what they want to roll in while naked in winter
2016-12-10T19:36:40 < Kliment> BrainDamage: So, whatever floats your boat I guess
2016-12-10T19:37:03 < Kliment> BrainDamage: I haven't seen tar shampoo used anywhere outside Finland either
2016-12-10T19:37:11 < Kliment> BrainDamage: But it's quite popular there
2016-12-10T19:37:40 < Steffanx> Ive never ever met anyone who hated sports class..
2016-12-10T19:38:03 < Kliment> Steffanx: When I was at school, it was about a third of the group
2016-12-10T19:38:04 < englishman> do the dutch hate anything?
2016-12-10T19:38:06 < kakimir> I was teetotaler until age of 18
2016-12-10T19:38:17 < Steffanx> But i guesd that maybe due to the fact we did something different every class
2016-12-10T19:39:23 < Steffanx> But it was as mandatory as any other class
2016-12-10T19:39:25 < Kliment> Steffanx: Sports class is the most common venue for school violence, ingroup/outgroup separation, and general lord-of-the-flies-ness
2016-12-10T19:40:07 < sync> sure but nobody cares, it is sports class
2016-12-10T19:40:13 < sync> so those who hate it hate it
2016-12-10T19:40:17 < sync> and those who don't don't
2016-12-10T19:41:03 < Steffanx> Same applies to math class :P
2016-12-10T19:41:42 < Steffanx> Hate is everywhere.
2016-12-10T19:42:25 < englishman> deep Steffanx 
2016-12-10T19:42:26 < englishman> deep
2016-12-10T19:42:54 < englishman> can confirm, am surrounded by hate in my windowless basement
2016-12-10T19:43:57 < Steffanx> ##stm32?
2016-12-10T19:47:54 < kakimir> #fullhate
2016-12-10T19:48:58 < kakimir> why you are in the basement englishman?
2016-12-10T19:50:00 < Steffanx> He isnt but he doesnt want to feel special.
2016-12-10T19:50:12 < BrainDamage> because you're already clogging the closet
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2016-12-10T19:52:08 < kakimir> :S
2016-12-10T19:52:50 < kakimir> :P
2016-12-10T19:53:33 < kakimir> there is a hint of truth there
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2016-12-10T20:01:35 < Steffanx> How is .ca englishman?
2016-12-10T20:02:36 < Kliment> Steffanx: Maybe he's an alien, a legal alien, an englishman in new... brunswick?
2016-12-10T20:03:11 < englishman> englishman's weather request; Levis, Quebec (46.79999924/-71.18000031); Local Time: 1:02 PM (December 10, 2016); Updated: 2 minutes ago; Conditions: cld; Temperature: 20.7°F (-6.3°C); Feels-like: 15°F (-9.4°C); High/Low: 21/6°F (-6.1/-14.4°C); Humidity: 58%; Wind: West at 4.3 MPH (6.9 KPH)
2016-12-10T20:03:23 < Kliment> Hey, I wasn't too far off even
2016-12-10T20:03:26 < englishman> calm and clear, good flying weather
2016-12-10T20:03:41 < Kliment> NB is almost Quebec
2016-12-10T20:04:23 < Kliment> (that statement will get me murdered by both new brunswegians and the quebecois)
2016-12-10T20:05:41 < Kliment> Hey englishman, want an excellent judicial opinion?
2016-12-10T20:07:03 < Kliment> It contains things like notes on whether giving someone the finger while driving should be considered use of a handheld communications device, which is illegal while operating a motor vehicle
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2016-12-10T20:17:58 < Tectu> guys, how does one pick the right MOV (varistor) voltage rating? I have some circuitry to measure the 240VAC lines and I'd like to protect against surges
2016-12-10T20:18:11 < Tectu> but kinda unsure what MOV to pick
2016-12-10T20:18:30 < Kliment> Tectu: If you want to be really sure, you use a transformer
2016-12-10T20:18:41 < kakimir> fucken visual studio flipped
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2016-12-10T20:19:04 < Tectu> Kliment, nah, I am already using an isolation OpAmp
2016-12-10T20:19:05 < BrainDamage> add 50% to peak voltage
2016-12-10T20:19:11 < kakimir> and half hour of steaming pile went with it
2016-12-10T20:19:12 < Tectu> BrainDamage, thanks
2016-12-10T20:19:40 < BrainDamage> 240⋅sqrt(2)⋅1.5 = 509V
2016-12-10T20:19:44 < BrainDamage> so pick 500
2016-12-10T20:20:13 < Tectu> do I care about DC ratings?
2016-12-10T20:20:44 < BrainDamage> DC ratings give how much it can sustain the [triggered] status
2016-12-10T20:21:57 < Tectu> BrainDamage, http://www.mouser.ch/ProductDetail/EPCOS-TDK/B72220S0950K101/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuQmL5N8IqpX3zXw5u2wDjRoNtJW80OazY%3d
2016-12-10T20:22:04 < Tectu> BrainDamage, that thing has "claming voltage" and "AC rating"
2016-12-10T20:22:14 < Tectu> BrainDamage, so in that case AC rating would be for the 'triggered' state too?
2016-12-10T20:22:28 < Kliment> clamping voltage tells you what the maximum voltage that gets past it while triggered is
2016-12-10T20:22:46 < Tectu> Kliment, you mean without?
2016-12-10T20:22:51 < Kliment> AC rating is what voltage the part is guaranteed not to fail at
2016-12-10T20:23:05 < Kliment> I don't mean without
2016-12-10T20:24:45 < kakimir> Maximaler Spitzenstrom!!
2016-12-10T20:25:33 < Tectu> so I want a MOV that has a clamping voltage of 500V, BrainDamage/Kliment ?
2016-12-10T20:26:48 < Kliment> Tectu: What are the operational and non-operational conditions of your circuit?
2016-12-10T20:27:24 < Kliment> Tectu: The MOV acts as a short circuit when the voltage reaches above a certain level
2016-12-10T20:28:00 < Kliment> Tectu: Then, as long as the pulse width and current flowing are within parameters, it will keep conducting
2016-12-10T20:28:28 < Tectu> Kliment, yeah, I understand that. I am/was just confused by the "AC rating" vs. the "clamping voltage"
2016-12-10T20:28:47 < BrainDamage> make sure that the circuit's tollerance far exceeds the mov's trigger rating
2016-12-10T20:28:59 < Kliment> Tectu: Clamping voltage is what your circuit has to be able to take, at the very very least
2016-12-10T20:29:37 < BrainDamage> especially since mov have a finite trigger time and the parasitic inductance if your layout is suboptimal might make it exceed the tigger value at the pins
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2016-12-10T20:30:12 < BrainDamage> so if you pick a 500V mov, your circuit should be able to take, say, 600V
2016-12-10T20:31:25 < BrainDamage> the faster the transients are the more guard you need, but those figures are kinda ballpark unless you got a good model of what kind of spikes you'd be especting
2016-12-10T20:31:39 < BrainDamage> but that only happends in controlled envionment, eg a car's supply bus
2016-12-10T20:31:59 < BrainDamage> so set for something reasonable
2016-12-10T20:32:54 < Kliment> Tectu: I think Mouser has something weird going on there - the clamping voltage should be below the rated voltage
2016-12-10T20:33:11 < Tectu> Thanks for the information, guys!
2016-12-10T20:33:21 < Tectu> Kliment, yeah, that is why I am so confused... :D
2016-12-10T20:34:06 < Tectu> does one put the MOV before or after the fuse? :p
2016-12-10T20:34:11 < Kliment> Tectu: After
2016-12-10T20:34:22 < BrainDamage> you want the mov to trigger the fuse ideally
2016-12-10T20:34:26 < Kliment> Tectu: So if the MOV fails short your fuse blows
2016-12-10T20:34:32 < BrainDamage> mov triggers, fuse burns andcircuit is protected
2016-12-10T20:34:56 < Tectu> ah, this way the MOV doesn't get damaged due to over-current?
2016-12-10T20:35:14 < Kliment> Tectu: it might, but more importantly the circuit behind it does not
2016-12-10T20:35:30 < Kliment> Tectu: Just like reverse voltage protection diodes
2016-12-10T20:35:38 < Tectu> I see
2016-12-10T20:35:40 < Tectu> thanks guys!
2016-12-10T20:35:44 < Kliment> Tectu: You put them behind the fuse, they nom all the current, fuse blows
2016-12-10T20:36:00 < Tectu> om nom nom
2016-12-10T20:36:05 < Kliment> Tectu: Your circuit doesn't see the extreme undervoltage condition because none of that current makes it past the diode
2016-12-10T20:36:33 < Kliment> Tectu: MOVs are like that, but voltage-triggered
2016-12-10T20:36:45 < Kliment> Tectu: For large surges, you can also consider a GDT
2016-12-10T20:37:12 < Tectu> Kliment, not sure what a GDT is
2016-12-10T20:37:45 < Tectu> Kliment, I'm really more doing this to impress professors cuz nobody else is thinking about it in their projects. I'd actually be happy if this shit blows up
2016-12-10T20:38:00 < BrainDamage> Tectu: gas verson of a mov essentially
2016-12-10T20:38:06 < Tectu> oh, those
2016-12-10T20:38:08 < BrainDamage> even better is a tvs diode
2016-12-10T20:38:35 < Kliment> BrainDamage: TVS at AC?
2016-12-10T20:38:40 < Tectu> that ^
2016-12-10T20:38:47 < BrainDamage> back to back
2016-12-10T20:38:59 < Kliment> Right, that works.
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2016-12-10T20:39:25 < Kliment> Tectu: What is the voltage limit of your setup and which side is your protection circuitry on?
2016-12-10T20:39:31 < Tectu> but GDT sounds like something that only works with > kV
2016-12-10T20:39:58 < Kliment> Nah, you can get them a low as 80v
2016-12-10T20:40:10 < Kliment> probably even lower
2016-12-10T20:40:13 < Tectu> do I want to do that instead of MOV?
2016-12-10T20:40:26 < Kliment> Tectu: What's your surge model like?
2016-12-10T20:40:32 < Tectu> Kliment, I don't have any ;)
2016-12-10T20:40:36 < BrainDamage> since you don't have specific requiremnts, go with mov
2016-12-10T20:40:53 < Tectu> Kliment, I really don't want to put more time into this project than necessary. I was just putting the fuse in the schematic and I thought of adding a MOV. that's it.
2016-12-10T20:40:56 < BrainDamage> cheap shit, gets the job done
2016-12-10T20:40:58 < Tectu> BrainDamage, thanks!
2016-12-10T20:41:20 < Kliment> Tectu: Do you expect short spikes, such as static? (use TVS), do you expect one big spike approximately never? Use MOV. Do you expect spikes of large amplitude all the fucking time? Use GDT
2016-12-10T20:41:42 < Tectu> lol
2016-12-10T20:42:01 < Tectu> thanks a lot, guys!
2016-12-10T20:42:14 < BrainDamage> one note of gdt s that they are slow-ish
2016-12-10T20:42:59 < Kliment> Yeah, they take a long time to trigger, but once triggered can handle reasonably large currents for a long time while effectively limiting downstream voltage
2016-12-10T20:43:20 < Kliment> Also they don't shit all over high freq signals
2016-12-10T20:44:28 < Kliment> MOVs fail open after a short number of surges, so they tend to be used in bunches 
2016-12-10T20:46:05 < Tectu> BrainDamage, how is a spark gap slower than some material that has to change resistivity?
2016-12-10T20:47:44 < Kliment> Tectu: The resistivity change is very fast
2016-12-10T20:48:28 < Kliment> Tectu: it's more similar to the switching time of a diode than to the blow time of a fuse
2016-12-10T20:48:56 < Tectu> okay
2016-12-10T20:49:00 < Kliment> Tectu: The response time for the one you linked is specified at <25ns
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2016-12-10T20:49:39 < Tectu> thank you for all the valuable information :)
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2016-12-10T21:23:48 < jadew> got this for my son today: http://188.27.94.149/stuff/20161210_154313.jpg
2016-12-10T21:23:54 < jadew> he slept with it at noon lol
2016-12-10T21:24:56 < Steffanx> Did you remove the beeper?
2016-12-10T21:24:56 < jadew> and I'm sorry I didn't get one sooner, because the analog display actually makes sense to him (being unable to read digits)
2016-12-10T21:25:18 < jadew> Steffanx, no, he loves that, but I'll have to make it less loud
2016-12-10T21:25:34 < Steffanx> Yeah, he loves that. but does working jadew love it too?
2016-12-10T21:25:36 < englishman> jeez you didnt get him a fluke or something
2016-12-10T21:25:39 < englishman> what a shit dad
2016-12-10T21:25:49 < englishman> flukes taste WAY better
2016-12-10T21:25:55 < jadew> Steffanx, for now it's still fun :)
2016-12-10T21:26:12 < jadew> englishman, do they have flukes with analog displays?
2016-12-10T21:26:20 < Steffanx> Better learn him morse.
2016-12-10T21:26:24 < Steffanx> code
2016-12-10T21:26:30 < jadew> haha
2016-12-10T21:26:38 < BrainDamage> learning is passive
2016-12-10T21:26:44 < BrainDamage> teaching is active
2016-12-10T21:27:03 < englishman> does he have dennis ritchie C book 1st or 2nd edition?
2016-12-10T21:27:29 < Steffanx> BrainDamage, i love you too, passively.
2016-12-10T21:27:51 < jadew> englishman, not yet, but he's trying to understand what I do all day
2016-12-10T21:27:53 < BrainDamage> what kind of scrub dad teaches his kid c? they first have to go trought tape machines and asembler
2016-12-10T21:28:40 < Kliment> BrainDamage: I started reading that sentence and thought it was going to end with how c is insecure and you should go straight to rust
2016-12-10T21:28:41 < BrainDamage> i would disown them until they can reach by themselves the halting theorem
2016-12-10T21:28:45 < jadew> he'll have to learn how to read first, then we can get on with the programming lessons
2016-12-10T21:29:28 < Steffanx> there is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_programming_language#/media/File:Scratch_2.0_Screen_Hello_World.png
2016-12-10T21:29:46 < jadew> wow, nice
2016-12-10T21:32:33 < BrainDamage> i'd probably prefer that to labview
2016-12-10T21:32:33 < jadew> all in all, I like that meter too
2016-12-10T21:33:02 < Kliment> analog meters are really nice because you see changes
2016-12-10T21:33:28 < Kliment> Very easy to see the amplitude of an oscillating voltage for example
2016-12-10T21:33:35 < BrainDamage> analog meters show you low speed trends, but fuck up abs values due to parallax errors
2016-12-10T21:33:40 < BrainDamage> and the gauge thickness
2016-12-10T21:33:46 < jadew> yeah, that's why I got it for him, I was trying to explain to him how stacking batteries together changes voltage, but I realized it would be easier if he actually saw it
2016-12-10T21:34:15 < jadew> BrainDamage, the bw is very small tho
2016-12-10T21:34:24 < jadew> I wonder if there are analog meters with higher BW
2016-12-10T21:34:37 < BrainDamage> jadew: still a magnitude more than a digital one
2016-12-10T21:34:44 < Kliment> jadew: Yes, there are
2016-12-10T21:34:48 < Kliment> jadew: Old though
2016-12-10T21:35:08 < BrainDamage> unless you referto the bandwith for which it can do a rms measuremen
2016-12-10T21:35:15 < jadew> this one for example at about 5 Hz, was swinging less than 1/10 of the amplitude
2016-12-10T21:35:29 < jadew> no I mean how fast the needle is swinging
2016-12-10T21:36:13 < BrainDamage> you need a lighter needle for a faster response
2016-12-10T21:36:22 < BrainDamage> or an amplifier as buffer
2016-12-10T21:36:48 < BrainDamage> but quickly it kinda losese meaning when the eye can't track it
2016-12-10T21:37:17 < BrainDamage> welp, time to hit the bar and kill few neurons
2016-12-10T21:37:35 < jadew> enjoy
2016-12-10T21:37:58 < Steffanx> Don't get back drunk, please.
2016-12-10T21:50:34 < zyp> anybody got any thoughts on how to robustly implement framing and flow control on top of SPI?
2016-12-10T21:51:09 < Kliment> zyp: uni or bidirectional?
2016-12-10T21:51:16 < zyp> bidirectional
2016-12-10T21:51:35 < Kliment> zyp: I can tell you how one implementation I've seen does it
2016-12-10T21:52:38 < Kliment> zyp: Each SPI transfer starts with a header where the master sends a header identifier and then 8 bytes worth of clocks
2016-12-10T21:52:49 < Kliment> Sorry, 4 bytes
2016-12-10T21:53:16 < zyp> context here is that I want to hook up an stm32 to a linux module, linux spidev only supports master, so stm32 will be slave
2016-12-10T21:53:40 < zyp> but the situation wouldn't really be any different if it were the other way around
2016-12-10T21:53:49 < Kliment> The slave fills the header with a status code and the remaining four bytes with the available bytes in its transmit and receive buffers
2016-12-10T21:54:49 < Kliment> The transaction can end there, or it can continue
2016-12-10T21:55:47 < Kliment> If it continues, depending on whether the r/w bit in the header was set, the master either clocks in at most as many bytes as fit into the rx buffer, or clocks out at most as many bytes as are in the tx buffer
2016-12-10T21:56:47 < Kliment> Optionally, the slave can have an interrupt line to request a transfer from the master
2016-12-10T21:57:38 < zyp> yeah, interrupt line is part of what I have in mind
2016-12-10T21:58:13 < Kliment> zyp: If you want more info on this protocol, it's implemented in ST's bluenrg chip
2016-12-10T21:58:18 < zyp> but just keeping the spi in sync between master and slave seems like a hassle
2016-12-10T21:58:26 < Kliment> zyp: How do you mean?
2016-12-10T21:59:47 < zyp> consider that slave must write first byte to DR before master starts a transfer, but slave doesn't know when master will start a transfer, unless you set up an EXTI on CS or something
2016-12-10T22:00:17 < Kliment> So write the byte immediately on startup
2016-12-10T22:00:26 < Kliment> And again after the end of each transfer
2016-12-10T22:00:31 < zyp> so I could trigger on a start byte received from master and reply with status byte from slave, but it'll still require a high priority interrupt
2016-12-10T22:00:51 < Kliment> No, the status is set before the transfer ever starts
2016-12-10T22:01:06 < zyp> well, after it's written you couldn't change it
2016-12-10T22:01:24 < zyp> and then it's pointless if it's supposed to indicate whether you've got data to send or not
2016-12-10T22:01:28 < Kliment> That's ok. The only purpose of that status byte is to signal "SPI is active"
2016-12-10T22:01:58 < Kliment> The bytes after that, the TX and RX buffer sizes, are what indicates whether you have data to send or whether you can receive
2016-12-10T22:03:57 < zyp> well, you still have to be ready to fill in that when the transfer starts
2016-12-10T22:05:22 < zyp> and I'm not sure it's worthwhile to mess around with that, vs just using an uart instead
2016-12-10T22:05:47 < Tectu> guys... this thing:  http://www.mouser.ch/ProductDetail/Phoenix-Contact/1890963/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvPvGwLNS67143eXz6yLKIOW7UsuuEp0T4%3d
2016-12-10T22:06:08 < Tectu> rated for 400V 16A, but when one adds pads to solder those pins, the distance between the pads is like 1mm.
2016-12-10T22:06:17 < Tectu> which is not enough for 240VAC, no?
2016-12-10T22:06:47 < zyp> Tectu, check that IEC spec that details creepage and shit
2016-12-10T22:07:11 < Tectu> zyp, I did that, IPC-2221B
2016-12-10T22:07:33 < Tectu> zyp, says 1.25mm for external conductors, uncoated, sea level to 3050m for 171-250 VAC
2016-12-10T22:07:34 < zyp> hmm, I think I'm thinking of IEC 60950
2016-12-10T22:07:45 < zyp> okay
2016-12-10T22:07:55 < zyp> what's unclear about that?
2016-12-10T22:08:05 < Kliment> zyp: just trigger dma from known memory location
2016-12-10T22:08:21 < Kliment> zyp: Write your stuff there
2016-12-10T22:08:44 < Kliment> zyp: After each spi transfer update the values
2016-12-10T22:08:48 < Tectu> zyp, just curious... Looked at diptrace footprint for that component and with the given pads the distance between the pads is exactly 1.00mm
2016-12-10T22:09:01 < zyp> make your own footprint
2016-12-10T22:09:36 < zyp> if 3.75mm diameter isn't wide enough for you, make the pads oval so they can be longer in the other dimension
2016-12-10T22:09:47 < Kliment> or offset
2016-12-10T22:11:15 < Tectu> thanks for the tip, zyp!
2016-12-10T22:12:04 < Tectu> adding solder to the trace is a common and valid technique to increase amperage of a trace, right?
2016-12-10T22:12:18 < zyp> eww
2016-12-10T22:12:23 < Tectu> cuz 35um copper with 16A and 10C temp. increase means that I need a 14mm width trace
2016-12-10T22:13:06 < zyp> why are you putting 16A through your board?
2016-12-10T22:13:33 < Kliment> zyp: It's a passthrough mains measurement thing
2016-12-10T22:13:52 < Tectu> jup, that ^
2016-12-10T22:16:01 < zyp> and you're too cheap to do 70um or whatever makes trace widths reasonable?
2016-12-10T22:16:40 < zyp> if your design allows it, you could route parallel tracks on both sides
2016-12-10T22:18:12 < Tectu> DIY PCB, could do 70um but can't do dual-trace here because I can't solder on the top-side of those terminal blocks
2016-12-10T22:19:07 < englishman> you can supplement the traces with jumper wires
2016-12-10T22:19:39 < zyp> why do you even care about making it to proper specs if this will be a one off?
2016-12-10T22:20:04 < Tectu> I tend to over-do things
2016-12-10T22:20:20 < zyp> obviously not, since you're too cheap for a proper PCB with plated holes :p
2016-12-10T22:20:32 < Tectu> screw you, Mr. zyp :p
2016-12-10T22:21:14 < zyp> DIYing PCBs is so not worth it nowadays :p
2016-12-10T22:22:35 < englishman> not in the slightest
2016-12-10T22:22:39 < englishman> except for turnaround
2016-12-10T22:23:20 < Tectu> nah, they have semi-proper equipment at the university
2016-12-10T22:24:25 < zyp> etch or cnc?
2016-12-10T22:25:50 < Tectu> both
2016-12-10T22:26:05 < zyp> englishman, yeah, last time I DIY-etched a PCB was when we were working on our graduation project at uni
2016-12-10T22:26:07 < Kliment> Tectu: If you're overdoing, just connect thick wire instead of traces
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2016-12-10T22:26:14 < Tectu> for etching they have one of these conveyor machines with proper jets
2016-12-10T22:26:30 < Kliment> I've etched PCBs that were hand-drawn
2016-12-10T22:26:39 < Kliment> For arty stuff
2016-12-10T22:26:43 < Tectu> congratulations for being old :)
2016-12-10T22:26:46 < zyp> we etched a dummy to hook up to the VNA for antenna tuning, then when we got the length tuned, we had the board properly fabbed
2016-12-10T22:27:02 < englishman> sure, in hiskool we had a parallel plotter with a pen to draw traces
2016-12-10T22:27:10 < englishman> and used some MSDOS program
2016-12-10T22:27:36 < Kliment> and once a customer specified single layer etchable board
2016-12-10T22:27:38 < zyp> Tectu, how many boards have you DIY etched anyway?
2016-12-10T22:27:44 < Tectu> zyp, way too many.
2016-12-10T22:27:46 < zyp> Tectu, and how many have you had fabbed?
2016-12-10T22:27:50 < Kliment> So I had to get creative with design
2016-12-10T22:27:57 < Tectu> zyp, did an apprentice ship as EE
2016-12-10T22:28:07 < Tectu> zyp, also DIY etched at home back in the old days where I was young and naive
2016-12-10T22:28:14 < zyp> same
2016-12-10T22:28:19 < zyp> and I wouldn't want to go back to that
2016-12-10T22:28:26 < Tectu> neither do I :)
2016-12-10T22:28:32 < Tectu> this is more of a time thing, I need it by Friday.
2016-12-10T22:28:45 < zyp> CNC is kinda neat in that you don't have to hand-drill the holes
2016-12-10T22:28:50 < zyp> but you still won't get them plated
2016-12-10T22:28:52 < Tectu> I hate DIYing PCBs by now :p
2016-12-10T22:28:52 < englishman> HV breadboard
2016-12-10T22:29:18 < Kliment> Tectu: PCB service at reasonable price with default params is 4 days now
2016-12-10T22:29:19 < zyp> Tectu, then you should have sent it off to a fab a week or two ago :p
2016-12-10T22:29:27 < englishman> ^
2016-12-10T22:29:29 < englishman> lazy students
2016-12-10T22:29:32 < Tectu> :D
2016-12-10T22:29:37 < Kliment> Tectu: Rush service is pricy but not too pricy
2016-12-10T22:29:59 < zyp> Kliment, plus shipping which takes time when you're in the fucking middle of nowhere
2016-12-10T22:30:01 < Kliment> Tectu: and since you're swiss paying german rush pcb prices is not a bad deal
2016-12-10T22:30:14 < Kliment> zyp: Tectu is not in the middle of nowhere
2016-12-10T22:30:35 < englishman> heh, yeah .ch is pretty much middle of nowhere
2016-12-10T22:30:37 < zyp> maybe not, I haven't visited him yet so I can't tell
2016-12-10T22:30:52 < Tectu> well, I'm in the middle of the alps
2016-12-10T22:31:01 < Tectu> but it's not bad. mouser stuff gets here in two days
2016-12-10T22:31:09 < Kliment> Tectu: In other words halfway to germany already :P
2016-12-10T22:31:10 < Tectu> we have FedEx and UPS
2016-12-10T22:31:21 < Tectu> Kliment, check your map again
2016-12-10T22:31:26 < Tectu> Kliment, the exact opposite side ;)
2016-12-10T22:31:30 < zyp> looks pretty rural on the map, but then again .ch is so small it's hard to get to norway-levels of «middle of nowhere»
2016-12-10T22:31:32 < Kliment> Oh, heh
2016-12-10T22:31:56 < Tectu> swissland is very dense
2016-12-10T22:32:02 < Tectu> it's difficult to be nowhere here
2016-12-10T22:32:08 < Tectu> http://www.ueliraz.ch/2005/ferden/faldum-16.jpg
2016-12-10T22:32:20 < englishman> dronepic?
2016-12-10T22:32:33 < englishman> guess not, in 2005
2016-12-10T22:32:56 < zyp> I once talked about driving to visit Tectu, found out that his place would be a shorter drive than driving to my parents house
2016-12-10T22:33:00 < Kliment> Tectu: 90€ for 3WD, 120€ for 2WD service
2016-12-10T22:33:19 < Kliment> Tectu: At multi
2016-12-10T22:33:32 < englishman> lol zyp 
2016-12-10T22:33:33 < Kliment> Tectu: Plus UPS next day for 20€ or so
2016-12-10T22:33:43 < Tectu> Kliment, this is towards germany: http://images.wasted.earth:1339/view.php?p=14733474722235
2016-12-10T22:33:57 < Tectu> zyp, still funny :p
2016-12-10T22:34:08 < Tectu> zyp, btw. they are building a super-charging station a few km from my place now. I think I mentioned it before.
2016-12-10T22:34:17 < zyp> hehe
2016-12-10T22:34:39 < zyp> maybe I'll have time to take a trip next year
2016-12-10T22:34:58 < Tectu> yeah, do it while I write my bachelor thingy, I should have plenty of time during that 
2016-12-10T22:35:01 < Kliment> Tectu: Attach a giant microwave transmitter to it, get free electricity to your house, what could possibly go wrong
2016-12-10T22:35:30 < zyp> Tectu, ah, funtimes
2016-12-10T22:35:51 < zyp> when I did mine, I spent three days of the week at uni and had a four day weekend
2016-12-10T22:36:11 < Tectu> zyp, well, mine will be ugfx related so I can work and school at the same time
2016-12-10T22:36:34 < Kliment> Tectu: ah, express next day is 37€ to CH
2016-12-10T22:36:44 < Tectu> Kliment, stop it already :p
2016-12-10T22:36:54 < Tectu> Kliment, I appreciate it though :p
2016-12-10T22:37:08 < Tectu> Kliment, but I will DIY at uni, takes me less than one afternoon
2016-12-10T22:37:26 < Kliment> Tectu: Then I strongly recommend thick wire instead of traces
2016-12-10T22:37:51 < Tectu> Kliment, I will probably just go traces and hook up an LED lamp instead of some air compressor
2016-12-10T22:38:09 < Kliment> Tectu: 16A wire is really not that large
2016-12-10T22:38:21 < Kliment> Tectu: You can use standard electrical wiring
2016-12-10T22:38:40 < Tectu> Kliment, I'll probably bend a paper clip or something
2016-12-10T22:38:47 < Tectu> Kliment, really couldn't care about this project :p
2016-12-10T22:39:20 < englishman> spoken like a true student
2016-12-10T22:40:41 < Kliment> Tectu: Then why are you wasting your time on MOVs and such?
2016-12-10T22:41:47 < Tectu> zyp, oh, they actually had the grand-opening of the super charging station today
2016-12-10T22:41:58 < Tectu> Kliment, back then I thought I'd be able to motivate myself for this crap
2016-12-10T22:42:15 < Tectu> then I realized it's just another stupid IoT project
2016-12-10T22:42:28 < qyx> did I hear IoT
2016-12-10T22:42:38 < qyx> much clouds
2016-12-10T22:42:42 < zyp> Tectu, do they actually call it super charging? usually only tesla calls their charging stations that
2016-12-10T22:43:00 < Tectu> zyp, http://winsun.ch/tesla-supercharger-opening/
2016-12-10T22:43:04 < Tectu> zyp, looks very tesla-ish to m ee
2016-12-10T22:43:44 < Tectu> jesus, they even have a Tesla Owner club here -__-
2016-12-10T22:43:56 < qyx> wat, their panels are not facing south?
2016-12-10T22:43:59 < zyp> well, duh, they have those everywhere
2016-12-10T22:44:47 < zyp> anyway, tesla superchargers doesn't really help me much :p
2016-12-10T22:45:01 < englishman> really?
2016-12-10T22:45:03 < englishman> are they racist?
2016-12-10T22:45:13 < zyp> they have their own standard
2016-12-10T22:45:41 < Tectu> zyp, can't you adapter ?
2016-12-10T22:45:46 < zyp> no
2016-12-10T22:45:50 < Tectu> did you try?
2016-12-10T22:45:51 < englishman> i understand they won't be giving you free power anytime soon
2016-12-10T22:46:01 < Tectu> zyp, huh... look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HusPcDmAeGw
2016-12-10T22:46:15 < Tectu> zyp, they claim that those 816 panels bring power for 57 house holds. Is that legit or marketing much?
2016-12-10T22:46:21 < Tectu> that's 2013 tech
2016-12-10T22:46:31 < qyx> 40*2 rows, 27 columns, lets say 250W each, thats around 0.5MW
2016-12-10T22:46:45 < qyx> 816 panels?
2016-12-10T22:47:12 < zyp> 10kW per household? sounds low
2016-12-10T22:47:42 < Tectu> qyx, video at 00:23 says 816 modules :p
2016-12-10T22:48:00 < zyp> typical service to a home here seems to be around 25kW
2016-12-10T22:48:04 < qyx> then I cannot count somehow
2016-12-10T22:48:18 < qyx> but thats a peak value
2016-12-10T22:48:21 < Tectu> do they count the "sub panels" of those larger panels as a module?
2016-12-10T22:48:24 < englishman> service is 25kW yes but they usually mean energy production
2016-12-10T22:48:36 < Tectu> englishman, huh?
2016-12-10T22:48:41 < englishman> ?
2016-12-10T22:49:04 < zyp> englishman, average maybe
2016-12-10T22:49:07 < englishman> when they say "this blahblah produces enough energy for blah" they really mean energy and not power
2016-12-10T22:49:07 < Tectu> video at 00:34 reads:   "Energy for 57 Swiss house holds"
2016-12-10T22:49:10 < englishman> and total
2016-12-10T22:49:10 < zyp> over a year
2016-12-10T22:49:25 < Kliment> Power usage data reference - our household uses approx 400W on average
2016-12-10T22:49:26 < englishman> yes average, exactly
2016-12-10T22:49:36 < englishman> they don't mean you can connect 57 homes to this and everyone will be happy
2016-12-10T22:50:31 < Tectu> yes, fo course not
2016-12-10T22:50:33 < zyp> Kliment, heating, hot water and cooking is all gas then?
2016-12-10T22:50:42 < Kliment> zyp: only heating
2016-12-10T22:50:52 < Kliment> zyp: everything else is electric
2016-12-10T22:50:55 < englishman> and probably swisshomes too with like geothermal or whatever expensive stuff
2016-12-10T22:51:26 < englishman> not englishhouse that draws 2MWh/month
2016-12-10T22:51:40 < Kliment> zyp: And we have around 40W of wasted standby power at that
2016-12-10T22:51:49 < Tectu> better get another dick'n'place machine, englishman 
2016-12-10T22:51:56 < englishman> nah at office i dont pay for power
2016-12-10T22:52:02 < Tectu> lolwut?
2016-12-10T22:52:06 < Tectu> rent inclusive?
2016-12-10T22:52:09 < englishman> yessir
2016-12-10T22:52:14 < Tectu> did they know that you EE much?
2016-12-10T22:52:16 < englishman> yep
2016-12-10T22:52:21 < englishman> even installed new 220v circuits
2016-12-10T22:52:51 < Tectu> damn, 10pm already
2016-12-10T22:52:52 < Tectu> cu folks
2016-12-10T22:52:57 < zyp> speaking of power, here's a charging station in norway: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QAKYw.jpg http://bin.jvnv.net/f/jPRl7.jpg
2016-12-10T22:53:03 < englishman> feb 2016 used 3957kWh
2016-12-10T22:53:10 < zyp> it got like 1.6MW of simultaneous charging capacity
2016-12-10T22:53:20 < Kliment> englishman: That's more than we use per YEAR
2016-12-10T22:53:43 < englishman> is that your golf
2016-12-10T22:53:44 < zyp> (the 20 tesla outlets being 1.35MW of that alone)
2016-12-10T22:53:45 < englishman> looks nice
2016-12-10T22:53:46 < zyp> yeah
2016-12-10T22:54:00 < englishman> good on VW for making an electric car and not making it fucking ugly
2016-12-10T22:54:19 < Kliment> englishman: Yeah, too bad they're going to be dead before long
2016-12-10T22:54:39 < zyp> Kliment, in what sense?
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2016-12-10T22:55:28 < Kliment> zyp: If just 2 or 3 countries were to impose fines on VW for cheating on emissions like the US is doing, the fines would be more than the value of the sum of VW's assets
2016-12-10T22:56:10 < Kliment> zyp: Germany is probably going to be the next to set such a fine
2016-12-10T22:56:42 < qyx> yep, they fucked it up a bit
2016-12-10T22:56:44 < zyp> why would germany want to kill off one of its own businesses?
2016-12-10T22:57:00 < zyp> so they can spend the fine money to bail them out?
2016-12-10T22:57:00 < Kliment> zyp: Because they must comply with their own laws
2016-12-10T22:57:11 < Kliment> zyp: That's probably what will end up happening, yeah
2016-12-10T22:57:46 < Kliment> zyp: The law is clear on this point, and already there are legal complaints against germany for not following the law
2016-12-10T22:58:18 < Kliment> zyp: On the basis of both EU and German legislation
2016-12-10T22:59:02 < zyp> I'll have to take your word for it, I haven't been following that mess
2016-12-10T22:59:10 < zyp> I've never owned a diesel VW
2016-12-10T22:59:17 < zyp> (or a diesel anything for that matter)
2016-12-10T22:59:21 < Kliment> Me either but it's news here
2016-12-10T23:00:19 < zyp> even if VW is killed off, there's other decent EVs available today
2016-12-10T23:01:23 < zyp> best value EV available today is probably the hyundai ioniq
2016-12-10T23:03:10 < zyp> last I heard they're backlogged until june or so though
2016-12-10T23:04:09 < qyx> whats CHAdeMO?
2016-12-10T23:04:14 < qyx> is that a charging standard?
2016-12-10T23:04:15 < sync> charging shit
2016-12-10T23:04:18 < zyp> qyx, yes
2016-12-10T23:04:20 < englishman> vw said they'll stop selling diesels in usa
2016-12-10T23:04:28 < englishman> the price of 2015s has skyrocketed
2016-12-10T23:04:29 < sync> > 280km range
2016-12-10T23:04:32 < sync> what a joke
2016-12-10T23:04:37 < englishman> only vw worth owning imo (Except maybe electric)
2016-12-10T23:06:39 < englishman> sync: On a full charge, IONIQ Electric offers up to 170 km (est.)
2016-12-10T23:07:10 < englishman> zyp what makes this car good?
2016-12-10T23:07:15 < englishman> it seems worse than a volt in every way
2016-12-10T23:07:30 < zyp> englishman, 170? from what I hear it can do way more
2016-12-10T23:07:48 < englishman> that's from the website for full-electric
2016-12-10T23:08:02 < sync> it says 280 on wiki but eh
2016-12-10T23:08:06 < englishman> they also have 2 different hybrid models
2016-12-10T23:08:08 < sync> it always is less anyway
2016-12-10T23:08:12 < englishman> also, not available yet
2016-12-10T23:08:16 < englishman> not even priced
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2016-12-10T23:08:40 < englishman> website says 88kW motor and 28kWh battery
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2016-12-10T23:08:54 < zyp> the full electric one started deliveries in norway a month or two ago
2016-12-10T23:08:58 < englishman> what does your gold have?
2016-12-10T23:09:00 < englishman> golf
2016-12-10T23:09:07 < zyp> 24kWh
2016-12-10T23:09:09 < englishman> hmm
2016-12-10T23:09:14 < englishman> and what do you get out of it?
2016-12-10T23:09:27 < zyp> but rumor has it the ioniq got a lot better aerodynamics for some reason
2016-12-10T23:09:39 < englishman> it has that prius back-end
2016-12-10T23:09:43 < englishman> with two panes of glass
2016-12-10T23:10:02 < zyp> yeah
2016-12-10T23:10:12 < englishman> maybe it's just a case of bringing the shit model to canada, getting shit sales, and saying "nobody wants our shit!"
2016-12-10T23:10:23 < zyp> haha
2016-12-10T23:10:41 < zyp> re: volt, it's a hybrid and as such doesn't get the EV benefits in norway
2016-12-10T23:10:58 < zyp> so over here it's not comparable
2016-12-10T23:11:14 < zyp> bmw i3 rex have the same problem
2016-12-10T23:11:36 < englishman> hm, volt gets the full $8k rebate here
2016-12-10T23:12:49 < zyp> in norway, pure EVs are exempt from road tolls, public parking fees and get access to bus lanes, hybrids enjoy none of those benefits
2016-12-10T23:13:06 < englishman> here they draw the line at electric drive
2016-12-10T23:13:07 < zyp> oh, and VAT, there's no VAT on pure EVs either
2016-12-10T23:13:20 < englishman> you can have a dinosaur burner but it can't touch the drivetrain
2016-12-10T23:13:57 < englishman> so the hybrid ioniq won't be eligible for rebate, or greenplate
2016-12-10T23:13:59 < zyp> the only benefit hybrids here have over normal gas vehicles is a reduction of the one-time registration fee
2016-12-10T23:14:27 < englishman> even the porsche 918 gets $500 off for being a hybrid
2016-12-10T23:14:42 < zyp> heh
2016-12-10T23:16:01 < zyp> well, would a volt that you only run on gas and never plug in be any more environment friendly than any other hybrid?
2016-12-10T23:16:29 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bifbg12u28 desolate places
2016-12-10T23:17:21 < zyp> drawing the line on whether the gas engine is connected to the drive train or not seems fairly arbitrary
2016-12-10T23:17:34 < englishman> zyp: because of the commute
2016-12-10T23:18:03 < englishman> because this isn't europe, a lot of people commute by car
2016-12-10T23:18:29 < englishman> the volt can do 85km without using fuel, which is much longer than most people's commute
2016-12-10T23:18:34 < zyp> AFAIK the mitsubishi outlander PHEV runs as a series hybrid at lower speeds, and hooks the gas engine directly to the drivetrain for improved efficiency at higher speeds
2016-12-10T23:19:04 < zyp> seems a bit unfair to discriminate there then
2016-12-10T23:19:13 < englishman> and it;s not like USA where the problem is simply moved to coal plants, as here it's 100% hydroelectric
2016-12-10T23:19:48 < englishman> dono, but that's what the lawmakers have done
2016-12-10T23:19:51 < englishman> i think that's a rare case
2016-12-10T23:19:54 < zyp> if it's about electric commuting, a more fair discrimination could be on all-electric range
2016-12-10T23:20:08 < englishman> anyway that model isn't available here
2016-12-10T23:20:56 < zyp> I think the norwegian law words it that power can't be generated while driving
2016-12-10T23:22:02 < englishman> hm
2016-12-10T23:22:03 < englishman> stiff
2016-12-10T23:22:06 < englishman> but also, progressive
2016-12-10T23:22:17 < zyp> so it doesn't stop you from driving around with a gas generator in the back that you hook up to charge while you park, but a car with a built-in gas generator that charges while driving is not allowed
2016-12-10T23:24:13 < sync> well power is never generated so everything goes? :P
2016-12-10T23:24:29 < zyp> electric power*
2016-12-10T23:24:52 < zyp> and this doesn't apply to hydrogen fuelcell vehicles
2016-12-10T23:25:22 < sync> hm
2016-12-10T23:25:35 < zyp> since those are also technically speaking series hybrids, with a hydrogen fuelcell to generate electricity
2016-12-10T23:25:47 < sync> the outlander is actually not too shitty imho
2016-12-10T23:25:55 < sync> besides being a fat suv
2016-12-10T23:26:11 < zyp> I've test driven one, didn't seem to bad
2016-12-10T23:26:27 < sync> well it is a lancer underneath it
2016-12-10T23:26:38 < zyp> consumption seemed fairly high though, but that might be just from being a huge suv
2016-12-10T23:26:57 < zyp> chademo charging seems a bit pointless though
2016-12-10T23:27:24 < sync> iirc it uses the shitty DI gema engine
2016-12-10T23:27:29 < sync> which is not the most efficient
2016-12-10T23:27:56 < zyp> in norway, chademo is about as expensive as regular gas, and then you'd have to wait for it to charge
2016-12-10T23:28:08 < sync> haha
2016-12-10T23:28:47 < zyp> given both options at the same price, why choose the slower one
2016-12-10T23:30:22 < zyp> I was about to say, I don't assume chademo would be cheaper in other countries either given that norway got fairly cheap electricity
2016-12-10T23:30:46 < zyp> but considering that the electricity cost is only a fairly small part of the chademo cost in norway, that might not be
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2016-12-11T00:15:37 < ColdKeyboard> lol. Safety first :)
2016-12-11T00:16:59 < ColdKeyboard> aandrew Can you suggest good read or good way to get a grip on HAL?
2016-12-11T00:22:36 < Kliment> ColdKeyboard: Read existing HAL code
2016-12-11T00:22:53 < Kliment> ColdKeyboard: The example projects are a good start
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2016-12-11T00:32:00 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: little projects that use various peripherals. use the dumb blocking mode call first, then try interrupt or DMA mode
2016-12-11T00:33:13 < aandrew> almost all the calls have an mspinit call that is weakly defined; you just write your own and your code automatically replaces the weakly defined one
2016-12-11T00:35:00 < ColdKeyboard> ok, I'll try that. thanks
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2016-12-11T01:27:23 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: the few times i was none noticed anyway
2016-12-11T01:27:56 < Steffanx> Hah, maybe. 
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2016-12-11T01:35:51 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx confirmed as Welsh
2016-12-11T01:35:53 < BrainDamage> pretty sure i've made more sense than laurenceb's links anyway
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2016-12-11T02:36:32 < Laurenceb_> http://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/01/07/its-time-to-consider-a-curfew-for-men/
2016-12-11T02:38:19 < englishman> stm32 content https://i.sli.mg/we9ifI.jpg
2016-12-11T02:39:35 < Laurenceb_> pls stop posting massive jpegs
2016-12-11T02:39:42 < Laurenceb_> muh failfox cant cope
2016-12-11T02:39:54 < englishman> wut
2016-12-11T02:40:05 < englishman> failfox
2016-12-11T02:40:05 < englishman> plz
2016-12-11T02:50:15 < upgrdman> my tv came with a usb blaster that is intended to be plugged into the tv, so the tv can control other things. i want to use the usb ir blaster with my pc, to control the tv or other things. no driver autoinstalled. any chances there some standard software that migth work with it?
2016-12-11T02:50:30 < upgrdman> usb ir blaster == an ir transmitter
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2016-12-11T03:21:02 < dekar> upgrdman, is it even a proper USB device?
2016-12-11T03:21:26 < upgrdman> i dunno. its usb, and windows see it, but i get the yellow driver error icon in device manager.
2016-12-11T03:21:35 < dekar> If so I would search for the VID/PID.
2016-12-11T03:21:44 < upgrdman> and theres no drivers on sony's website for it. it's only meant for their android tv's afaik
2016-12-11T03:21:51 < upgrdman> ok
2016-12-11T03:22:08 < dekar> You can find that in the properties on Windows IIRC.
2016-12-11T03:22:11 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-11T03:22:14 < upgrdman> will try now
2016-12-11T03:22:22 < dekar> Or lsusb on Linux.
2016-12-11T03:24:18 < upgrdman> hmm no dice on google, VID 054C, PID 08A4
2016-12-11T03:24:40 < upgrdman> vid is for sony, but i see no matching pid's in the search results :(
2016-12-11T03:30:06 < jadew> Laurenceb_, that's a troll site, right?
2016-12-11T03:37:14 < Laurenceb_> who knows lol
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2016-12-11T03:44:43 < stvn> attn: dong - http://www.dw.com/en/rent-a-jew-project-hopes-to-ward-off-anti-semitism-in-germany/a-36710940
2016-12-11T03:45:16 < englishman> hi stvn https://i.sli.mg/Z8ZTwz.jpg
2016-12-11T03:45:21 < stvn> welcome englishman 
2016-12-11T03:45:51 < stvn> nice update on englishcat :D
2016-12-11T03:46:25 < stvn> how's the pick and placing?
2016-12-11T03:46:33 < englishman> excellent
2016-12-11T03:46:37 < englishman> placing non stop
2016-12-11T03:46:47 < englishman> non stm32 content https://i.sli.mg/kjZfwq.jpg
2016-12-11T03:47:03 < englishman> wifeishman killed a piggy
2016-12-11T03:47:48 < stvn> indeed
2016-12-11T03:48:12 < stvn> that is quite a dead pig
2016-12-11T03:49:50 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/1CmVtfQ.png
2016-12-11T03:50:11 < stvn> true story BrainDamage 
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2016-12-11T04:24:44 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
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2016-12-11T04:25:02 < Laurenceb_> propane explosion in Bulgaria
2016-12-11T04:25:25 < Laurenceb_> at this rate every meme will come true by the end of the year
2016-12-11T04:25:42 < stvn> Laurenceb_, http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/040/latest.jpg
2016-12-11T04:25:43 < Laurenceb_> just need someone to be eaten by crabs
2016-12-11T04:25:54 < stvn> that is all
2016-12-11T04:27:45 < Laurenceb_> propane meme confirmed
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2016-12-11T04:42:11 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone know why you can't find YiHUA 936 on Amazon.ca but there are tons of them on Amazon.com ? And noone seems to be shipping them co Canada. :S
2016-12-11T04:42:32 < englishman> lol amazon.ca
2016-12-11T04:42:34 < englishman> found your problem
2016-12-11T04:43:15 < ColdKeyboard> But not shipped. Does it have to do with it not complying with some regulations or something?
2016-12-11T04:43:15 < englishman> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/fuck-amazon-seriously/142140177654
2016-12-11T04:43:17 < englishman> get that
2016-12-11T04:44:01 < englishman> https://www.amazon.ca/Aoyue-AO936-936-Soldering-Station/dp/B000VINMRO
2016-12-11T04:44:03 < englishman> or that if you want to pay more
2016-12-11T04:44:25 < ColdKeyboard> Aoye looks ugly af
2016-12-11T04:44:30 < englishman> oh it is amazon fba
2016-12-11T04:44:32 < englishman> so get that
2016-12-11T04:45:12 < englishman> if you want aesthetics, dont buy bottom dollar chinacrap, you cheap canadian
2016-12-11T04:46:37 < ColdKeyboard> I just moved to Canada and as a single income family... money is a bit tight now. :) But as Del Boy said "Next time this year, we're gonna be milionaires" :D
2016-12-11T04:46:58 < englishman> isnt $50 close to hakko 888 price
2016-12-11T04:47:19 < englishman> no jeez its $130
2016-12-11T04:47:26 < englishman> and i sold mine for like $60
2016-12-11T04:47:26 < englishman> damn
2016-12-11T04:49:35 < ColdKeyboard> Any good websites that sell used electronics? Or how to find buisiness closing or selling old equipment? :)
2016-12-11T04:49:48 < upgrdman> lol. testing some of my old NiMH 6V 2200mAh batteries. fully charge, wait 7 days, discharge at 0.5A to 5V ... only hold like 1200mAh.
2016-12-11T04:49:57 < upgrdman> time to trash this shit
2016-12-11T04:50:52 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/newsplus/res/45974.html
2016-12-11T04:55:03 < KreAture_Zzz> upgrdman test em by cycling fast too
2016-12-11T04:55:13 < KreAture_Zzz> see if they have high self discharge or if they just have low capacity
2016-12-11T04:55:20 < KreAture_Zzz> can probably train em too
2016-12-11T04:55:55 < upgrdman> KreAture_Zzz, ya did that a month ago, and they hold like 1800mAh if you dont let them sit.
2016-12-11T04:56:08 < upgrdman> but after 1 week loosing that much is fucked. time to trash
2016-12-11T04:56:31 < upgrdman> theyre 3-4 years old, so kinda young but not new
2016-12-11T04:58:02 < ColdKeyboard> What is the difference between Atten, Baku, Aoye, Yuhua ? They are all Hakko clones, but other than that?
2016-12-11T04:58:28 < upgrdman> i've seen aoyue or whatever in stores. others i've only seen on ebay
2016-12-11T04:58:49 < upgrdman> guessing they're just competitors all cloning the same devices
2016-12-11T05:06:57 < ColdKeyboard> Which one is better https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01M9C7V84 or this one http://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/mississauga-peel-region/new-3-in-1-smd-soldering-rework-station:-hot-air-gun-2-irons/1221544557
2016-12-11T05:08:06 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/lexi4prez/status/807776807428718596
2016-12-11T05:08:32 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2016/12/10/reverse-engineering-an-st-link-programmer/
2016-12-11T05:09:19 < Laurenceb_> the radical feminism thing is all a troll... right
2016-12-11T05:09:49 < Laurenceb_> its the obsession with Foucalt that confuses me
2016-12-11T05:10:06 < Laurenceb_> and his passion for stealing terms from Geometry to make himself sound clever
2016-12-11T05:10:26 < Laurenceb_> Intersection, Surface, Space, Encompass, Volume
2016-12-11T05:11:32 < Laurenceb_> actual philosophy (not sure if geoblocked) http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07wr1lz
2016-12-11T05:13:05 < emeb_mac> eh. why are people all so hopped up about Black Magic Probe all of a sudden.
2016-12-11T05:13:10 < upgrdman> ColdKeyboard, i've used clone hakko irons... total shit.
2016-12-11T05:13:17 < emeb_mac> I know - I know - kickstarter!
2016-12-11T05:13:30 < emeb_mac> but geeze - things been around for 4 years already.
2016-12-11T05:13:33 < upgrdman> tools arent something to cheap out on, unless you ~never need to use the tool
2016-12-11T05:13:46 < ReadErr> cash in the tendies, get a thermodonics
2016-12-11T05:13:49 < emeb_mac> And no, BMP doesn't do *everything* that an ST-Link does.
2016-12-11T05:13:51 < ReadErr> ur worth it
2016-12-11T05:14:03 < emeb_mac> try setting the option bytes with a BMP.
2016-12-11T05:14:10 < ColdKeyboard> upgrdman: I agree but I just need something to work with until I can afford a better one...
2016-12-11T05:15:14 < englishman> doesn't BMP require you to permanently fuck your st-link
2016-12-11T05:15:16 < Laurenceb_> BMP doesnt even work for me
2016-12-11T05:15:23 < Laurenceb_> all weird overcomplex GDB shit
2016-12-11T05:15:36 < Laurenceb_> st-link on the other hand...
2016-12-11T05:19:02 < emeb_mac> BMP is great - for what it does.
2016-12-11T05:19:07 < emeb_mac> I use it all the time.
2016-12-11T05:19:22 < emeb_mac> But there are some things I reach for an ST-Link
2016-12-11T05:19:56 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: what doesn't BMP do for you?
2016-12-11T05:20:38 < Laurenceb_> dunno too long ago lol
2016-12-11T05:20:49 < Laurenceb_> couldnt get it to connect and flash using simple commands
2016-12-11T05:20:57 < englishman> what does it do that a st-link doesn;t?
2016-12-11T05:21:03 < englishman> srs q
2016-12-11T05:27:41 < fenugrec> jtag?
2016-12-11T05:28:37 < fenugrec> or is it just the disco boards that have the SWD-only stlink
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2016-12-11T05:29:44 < englishman> not sure
2016-12-11T05:29:47 < stvn> Laurenceb, good link http://hackaday.com/2016/12/10/reverse-engineering-an-st-link-programmer/
2016-12-11T05:29:49 < englishman> thanks to arm, i've never used jtag
2016-12-11T05:30:18 < stvn> same
2016-12-11T05:30:30 < stvn> cept for field programmable dong arrays
2016-12-11T05:31:50 < stvn> remember the lpt port BYTEBLASTER?
2016-12-11T05:33:33 < dongs> DONGBLASTER
2016-12-11T05:33:46 < stvn> lol
2016-12-11T05:38:53 < dongs> < stvn> Laurenceb, good link http://hackaday.com/ < java..............
2016-12-11T05:39:52 < stvn> ah fuck
2016-12-11T05:40:42 < stvn> better than an 8ch post i guess 
2016-12-11T05:40:47 < dongs> tru
2016-12-11T05:40:49 < dongs> reading anyway
2016-12-11T05:40:51 < dongs> as some useful bits
2016-12-11T05:41:03 < dongs> lots of lunix filth too
2016-12-11T05:41:25 < stvn> after reading K&R for a while i've noticed my lecturers fed me shit in my undergrad program
2016-12-11T05:41:53 < dongs> $ echo "mov r8, r8" | arm-none-eabi-as -mthumb -march=armv7 && arm-none-eabi-objdump -d a.out
2016-12-11T05:41:57 < dongs> ...
2016-12-11T05:41:59 < dongs> lol..
2016-12-11T05:42:24 < stvn> o,O
2016-12-11T05:43:20 < stvn> i must have told you, i ran ubuntu on my laptop for a bit of fun, it actually made my laptop run so hot the casing melted around the LCD screen
2016-12-11T05:43:33 < dongs> no surprise
2016-12-11T05:43:37 < dongs> lunix has no power management
2016-12-11T05:43:46  * stvn nods
2016-12-11T05:43:47 < englishman> lunix always claims to be an ide-on-the-console
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2016-12-11T05:49:07 < dekar> dongs, nop O.o
2016-12-11T05:56:50 < stvn> either way i'm fucked tbh, installed win7 (genuine) and windows update fucked itself
2016-12-11T05:58:06 < stvn> got a few spare win 10 OEMs so i think i'll just cuck out on it
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2016-12-11T07:08:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/807751100837351425
2016-12-11T07:08:33 < ohsix> hurr i could probably sell my car at a profit now
2016-12-11T07:08:46 < ohsix> it sounds like new with the exhaust gasket fixed, it drives like new too
2016-12-11T07:09:09 < ohsix> i think the 65k miles is original (it only has 5 digit odometer)
2016-12-11T07:10:48 < ohsix> profit $$$$$
2016-12-11T07:12:17 < ohsix> ReadErr: 19:08 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2016/12/10/reverse-engineering-an-st-link-programmer/
2016-12-11T07:14:08 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ILLCapitano94/status/800490713217662976
2016-12-11T07:30:39 < ohsix> is this dongs https://twitter.com/Philips_NE555/status/798121540898295808
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2016-12-11T07:45:12 < ohsix> hm is that ne555 dude elm chan? he's posted a lot of the same junk
2016-12-11T07:45:24 < ohsix> oh duh haha it is
2016-12-11T07:45:26 < ohsix> neat
2016-12-11T07:49:06 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Philips_NE555/status/749609655588909056 huhu
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2016-12-11T07:56:33 < ohsix> to92 crystal http://akizukidenshi.com/catalog/g/gP-10391/
2016-12-11T08:14:49 < upgrdman> wtf does denshi mean. i see lots of jap corps with that in their names
2016-12-11T08:20:38 < emeb_mac> https://glosbe.com/ja/en/denshi
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2016-12-11T08:22:22 < upgrdman> thx
2016-12-11T08:39:55 < ColdKeyboard> Is there an easy nRF library that I can port/use? Any suggestions?
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2016-12-11T08:50:57 < stvn> senpai is fujiya jp good tools?
2016-12-11T08:51:09 < stvn> http://www.fujiya-kk.com/en/products/categories/58/list-products/
2016-12-11T08:57:41 < upgrdman> stvn, shit, a calibrated adjustable wrench. wtf doesn't everyone do that.
2016-12-11T08:57:52 < upgrdman> that would make shit so much easier for random fuckery
2016-12-11T08:58:56 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: eh for what, there's an arduino one that isn't exactly arduino only
2016-12-11T08:59:24 < ColdKeyboard> ohsix: Transmitting data to certain address
2016-12-11T08:59:26 < ColdKeyboard> Nothing fancy
2016-12-11T09:00:00 < ColdKeyboard> I know there is Maniacbug's library that is supposed to be really good but I was wondering if someone already ported it
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2016-12-11T09:07:33 < ohsix> what would the port be, just using native i2c or whatever?
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2016-12-11T09:12:37 < ColdKeyboard> i2c to read sensor data, spi to send it over nRF
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2016-12-11T09:17:41 < stvn> my moms gonna t t take my computer and completely throw it away
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2016-12-11T09:19:45 < ohsix> ru kyle
2016-12-11T09:19:52 < ReadErr> tell her to revoke some goodboy points instead
2016-12-11T09:20:36 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7-Ye4kopYI
2016-12-11T09:20:39 < stvn> GBP
2016-12-11T09:20:58 < stvn> i'm going to try the most autistic experiment known to man
2016-12-11T09:21:13 < ohsix> talking to LeelooMinai ?
2016-12-11T09:21:42 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: hrmph the arduino thing doesn't look like a ton of code
2016-12-11T09:21:53 < ohsix> at the very least you can use it to xref docs and write your own really quickly
2016-12-11T09:22:36 < ohsix> what do you want to do, i have this stuff but i haven't done anything with them yet :\
2016-12-11T09:22:50 < ohsix> i wanna do voice codec stuff over low buttrate channels
2016-12-11T09:24:34 < ReadErr> upgrdman: calibrated ?
2016-12-11T09:24:40 < ReadErr> like the ruler tick marks?
2016-12-11T09:25:04 < ohsix> lul people doing auto repair videos on youtube are funny, they usually yell at the helper to do something and they're thick
2016-12-11T09:30:38 < ColdKeyboard> ohsix: I'll try to port that arduino library then. I'll be needing a good nRF library anyways so
2016-12-11T09:31:01 < ColdKeyboard> But not tonight... it's 2:30AM. Have a good night folks
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2016-12-11T09:44:39 < stvn> http://imgur.com/a/OWYKr
2016-12-11T09:44:42 < stvn> there i did it
2016-12-11T09:53:27 < ReadErr> lol
2016-12-11T09:55:09 < stvn> you happy now
2016-12-11T09:56:13 < stvn> i'm going to ohsix the whole thing later
2016-12-11T09:57:10 < stvn> i shall lock the fan on 150%
2016-12-11T09:57:22 < stvn> maybe liquid cooling
2016-12-11T09:57:52 < stvn> got plenty of scrap ally i can mill up
2016-12-11T10:00:48 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW_wpE3hG5k these graphics, that voiceover
2016-12-11T10:01:11 < ohsix> there's so much parody of this old psa stuff, it's weird watching them
2016-12-11T10:03:20 < ohsix> getting too into fixing car, there's a slight chatter on the idler wheel, ic ould replace it to fix it
2016-12-11T10:03:40 < ohsix> it's now a relatively deafening noise without the slight exhaust leak
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2016-12-11T10:09:17 < ohsix> http://www.autozone.com/external-engine/idler-pulley/duralast-idler-pulley/293482_297531_0 lul replacement parts are so cheap
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2016-12-11T10:13:20 < ohsix> heh, just for the idler wheel ... it's cheaper than the naked bearing
2016-12-11T10:19:54 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzN2F-eWIAA3ao4.jpg:large what stvn does irl
2016-12-11T10:23:34 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cym5o1YUsAAoVnM.jpg:large
2016-12-11T10:28:16 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/kungfupanza_/status/796192268994625537
2016-12-11T10:28:22 < ohsix> last one for tonight
2016-12-11T10:28:25 < ohsix> twitter 2 funneh
2016-12-11T10:49:00 < ohsix> http://gizmodo.com/cadillac-cancels-neo-nazi-ad-after-online-outrage-1789969103 huhu
2016-12-11T10:49:09 < ohsix> with extra spin, thanks gizmodo
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2016-12-11T11:28:31 < upgrdman> ReadErr, ya the ruler on it
2016-12-11T11:28:49 < ReadErr> upgrdman: all mine have that
2016-12-11T11:28:58 < upgrdman> orly
2016-12-11T11:29:09 < upgrdman> never seen it in real life. ok.
2016-12-11T11:29:28 < ReadErr> anything sorta new anyways prolly does
2016-12-11T11:29:43 < ReadErr> use it to figure out what size socket I need
2016-12-11T11:31:20 < upgrdman> this is gonna sound dumb, but anyone know of a usb port -> fake SD card adapter? e.g. so you can use a usb hard drive with something that requires an SD card? i know it would need external power to power the usb hdd, but would be kinda neat.
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2016-12-11T12:34:30 < dongs> upgrdman: doesnt exist. feel free to implement, you'd be a hero with photofaggots
2016-12-11T12:34:55 < upgrdman> lol
2016-12-11T12:34:55 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-11T12:35:09 < dongs> thing is you really need a fpga for this
2016-12-11T12:35:13 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-11T12:35:18 < dongs> to implement sd controller shit and copy stuff fast enough
2016-12-11T12:36:07 < dongs> even if you could get SD 'device' ICs, they'd all be written to support NAND or some other shit
2016-12-11T12:36:10 < dongs> for accessing
2016-12-11T12:36:18 < upgrdman> k
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2016-12-11T12:40:29 < Steffanx> Sounds like mobidapter. (Had to google but i knew i had see this for "smart" phones)
2016-12-11T12:45:44 < upgrdman> heh, neat
2016-12-11T12:46:28 < Steffanx> There are some photos of thr inners. It seems to use some (obscure?) proasic3 fpga
2016-12-11T12:47:03 < Steffanx> https://www.svcommunity.org/forum/hardware-electronico/adaptadorconvertidor-de-memoria-usb-a-tarjeta-sd/
2016-12-11T12:50:41 < stvn> te
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2016-12-11T12:56:34 < dongs> proasic3 is the #1 choice of chinese cloners
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2016-12-11T12:59:48 < dongs> wow, ancient ELAN shit
2016-12-11T13:00:00 < stvn> dun goofed
2016-12-11T13:00:27 < dongs> hmm
2016-12-11T13:00:36 < dongs> ez-usb fx2 can't do usb host, can FX3?
2016-12-11T13:00:53 < dongs> looks like
2016-12-11T13:01:08 < dongs> so yeah, probly fx3 + some fpga to do SD->stuff
2016-12-11T13:05:00 < stvn> this fucken chinged out laptop is iso9001 as fuck
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2016-12-11T13:55:06 < kakimir> recommend cheap ass cortex m0 board so that I never go back to 8bit in need for crappy read one pin latch output application
2016-12-11T13:55:38 < emeryth> but the cheapest boards are F103
2016-12-11T13:56:31 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arduino-IDE-kompatibles-Board-STM32-STM32f103C8T6-ST-ARM-32-bit-Cortex-M3-/401176242726
2016-12-11T13:56:52 < emeryth> or you can just buy a bunch of F030 and TSSOP20 breakouts
2016-12-11T13:56:54 < kakimir> it's fine
2016-12-11T13:57:00 < kakimir> no I can't
2016-12-11T13:57:12 < kakimir> this is the one I need isn't t?
2016-12-11T13:57:39 < emeryth> yes
2016-12-11T13:58:15 < emeryth> http://wiki.stm32duino.com/index.php?title=Blue_Pill
2016-12-11T13:58:42 < kakimir> and you even duino it?
2016-12-11T14:00:14 < kakimir> how many to buy...
2016-12-11T14:00:19 < emeryth> all of them
2016-12-11T14:00:41 < kakimir> 3 is a good number for shit like this
2016-12-11T14:01:06 < kakimir> or 2
2016-12-11T14:05:04 < Steffanx> or 5.
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2016-12-11T14:08:54 < kakimir> when you don't have any specific use to butt it in right at hand 2 is like more than enought
2016-12-11T14:16:09 < Steffanx> but then you need a 3rd, 4th of 5th and you wont have those
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2016-12-11T14:22:09 < kakimir> I need glue that perfectly bonds 2 synthetic leathers together
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2016-12-11T14:23:32 < kakimir> I add another layer or synthetic leather to snowmobile ass rack
2016-12-11T14:24:04 < BrainDamage> go to the glue mafia aka 3m
2016-12-11T14:24:14 < BrainDamage> insert pair of surfaces
2016-12-11T14:24:19 < BrainDamage> get glue
2016-12-11T14:24:20 < BrainDamage> done
2016-12-11T14:26:32 < kakimir> it needs to be water resistant, filling/foaming, elastic, super sticky
2016-12-11T14:27:03 < kakimir> and not melting in any conditions or after years of use it must not to start to decompose
2016-12-11T14:27:42 < Steffanx> Get yourself some sewing machine kakimir.
2016-12-11T14:28:18 < kakimir> oh now I remember what glue to use
2016-12-11T14:29:58 < kakimir> bond + seal
2016-12-11T14:30:05 < kakimir> in 300ml cartridge
2016-12-11T14:30:34 < kakimir> ultra sticky and stays elastics
2016-12-11T14:32:39 < kakimir> also PU
2016-12-11T14:32:44 < kakimir> https://eshop.wuerth.de/Structural-adhesive-Bond-Seal-BONDSEAL-KD-GREY-300ML/08901002.sku/en/US/EUR/
2016-12-11T14:34:36 < dongs> is wuerth wurst than wurth
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2016-12-11T14:36:12 < Steffanx> no, it's wurst becaues you couldnt do würth.com ..
2016-12-11T14:36:16 < Steffanx> ü = ue
2016-12-11T14:39:43 < Steffanx> lol, you made me say wurst instead of wuerth
2016-12-11T14:42:45 < dongs> https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15401006_10154902371768969_5264369808389798254_n.jpg?oh=77ff44edc88d8c26f636bdd042be5b2e&oe=58F6C88B retweet
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2016-12-11T14:43:08 < dongs> ^ attn kikemir
2016-12-11T14:43:21 < Steffanx> Better remove point 7.
2016-12-11T14:43:46 < Steffanx> Also 11?!
2016-12-11T14:44:14 < dongs> i guess alchohol/smoking/
2016-12-11T14:45:17 < kakimir> I din't know you were people that reads all the motivational shit dongs
2016-12-11T14:45:27 < dongs> i don't
2016-12-11T14:45:30 < dongs> this is why I said "retweet"
2016-12-11T14:45:42 < kakimir> what does it mean
2016-12-11T14:45:55 < dongs> it means i copied the link from another stoner channel
2016-12-11T14:46:25 < Tectu> how's TempleOS?
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2016-12-11T14:46:50 < dongs> booting
2016-12-11T14:47:14 < kakimir> why it's pointed to me
2016-12-11T14:47:32 < Tectu> dongs, on a PIC18F I hope
2016-12-11T14:48:00 < dongs> kakimir: think about it
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2016-12-11T14:51:33 < kakimir> I hate it
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2016-12-11T15:08:34 < dongs> hmm
2016-12-11T15:11:06 < dongs> anyone ever used STM usart in halfduplex mode
2016-12-11T15:11:40 < dongs> wtf
2016-12-11T15:11:43 < dongs> did ST change their forums
2016-12-11T15:12:04 < Steffanx> Jawohl, no more e2e.
2016-12-11T15:12:22 < dongs> lmao the new shit takes up so much screen space
2016-12-11T15:12:35 < dongs> lemem guess, tehy didnt bother migrating old db?
2016-12-11T15:12:38 < dongs> did clive1 ragequit yet
2016-12-11T15:13:52 < dongs> at least they're significantly faster
2016-12-11T15:14:01 < dongs> and looks like all lold posts rsurvived
2016-12-11T15:15:42 < Steffanx> but google links are dead.
2016-12-11T15:15:47 < dongs> yes
2016-12-11T15:16:01 < dongs> https://community.st.com/thread/15120 the old jew2jew thing now looks like https://community.st.com/thread/15120
2016-12-11T15:16:09 < dongs> err,..
2016-12-11T15:16:16 < dongs> the 1st hit for "half duplex usart" on stm32 thing
2016-12-11T15:19:25 < dongs> https://community.st.com/thread/15791#comment-110962 aahah
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2016-12-11T15:24:06 < Steffanx> Poor clive.
2016-12-11T15:24:40 < dongs> someone whould invite him in here
2016-12-11T15:24:52 < dongs> he'dprobably ragequit after a couple Laurenceb links
2016-12-11T15:27:58 < Steffanx> I would give this legend OP.
2016-12-11T15:29:22 < dongs> no doubt
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2016-12-11T16:06:22 < ReadErr> https://community.st.com/thread/14008#comment-108098
2016-12-11T16:06:41 < ReadErr> they ******* retarded lol
2016-12-11T16:09:12 < dongs> lols
2016-12-11T16:09:29 < dongs> hi clive,
2016-12-11T16:09:29 < dongs> I am learning new so I wonder, why  use alternative function and when alternative function.
2016-12-11T16:12:01 < gjm> top
2016-12-11T16:12:55 < ReadErr> I'm not sure why this is so complicated. NO, you have multiple choices, but you only get to pick ONE function. Think of it like a Volume Knob with specific, discrete settings, 0..15
2016-12-11T16:13:05 < ReadErr> I'm not sure why this is so complicated. NO, you have multiple choices, but you only get to pick ONE function. Think of it like a Volume **** with specific, discrete settings, 0..15
2016-12-11T16:13:10 < ReadErr> o.o
2016-12-11T16:13:18 < dongs> knob is a banned word?
2016-12-11T16:13:22 < ReadErr> ya lol
2016-12-11T16:13:26 < dongs> cuz you can call people fuckkng knobs?
2016-12-11T16:13:30 < ReadErr> yea
2016-12-11T16:13:46 < ReadErr> or knob someones mom
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2016-12-11T16:45:31 < Laurenceb_> Cuttlefish are the superior species, Crab cuck
2016-12-11T16:48:55 < ReadErr> NOT FUNNY LAURANCEB
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2016-12-11T17:10:35 < fenugrec> how does Clive keep answering, always top quality answers, to even the worst of lazy fucks
2016-12-11T17:11:24 < BrainDamage> we need to send kakmir and beaky to test his limits
2016-12-11T17:11:32 < BrainDamage> and doyouknow
2016-12-11T17:11:57 < fenugrec> if he isn't on ST's payroll, he well should be
2016-12-11T17:13:34 < Tectu> I thought he's an ST EE employee
2016-12-11T17:13:40 < Tectu> I could ask if you like :p
2016-12-11T17:15:02 < Steffanx> He isn't afaik.
2016-12-11T17:15:12 < Steffanx> He was on this radio show once.
2016-12-11T17:16:04 < Steffanx> See https://www.linkedin.com/in/cliveone .. he is not.
2016-12-11T17:29:12 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessdalen_lights @zyp since iirc you're into photography
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2016-12-11T17:49:28 < dongs> 568A/B thing in ethernet wiring just determines the twist order right?
2016-12-11T17:49:31 < dongs> the 1:1 connection is same?
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2016-12-11T17:58:22 < englishman> yes
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2016-12-11T19:08:19 < Laurenceb_> lul top kek
2016-12-11T19:08:30 < Laurenceb_> Current	
2016-12-11T19:08:30 < Laurenceb_>     Janus Remote Communications,
2016-12-11T19:08:30 < Laurenceb_>     u-Blox Forums,
2016-12-11T19:08:30 < Laurenceb_>     STM32 Forums
2016-12-11T19:08:38 < Laurenceb_> Clive1 confirmed
2016-12-11T19:10:38 < Laurenceb_> he seems to be a britbong
2016-12-11T19:13:32 < mitrax> eh... nobody's perfect
2016-12-11T19:14:13 < Laurenceb_> https://projectaether.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/12742286_10203972187664749_6138862332223435115_n.jpg?w=528
2016-12-11T19:14:17 < Laurenceb_> serious business
2016-12-11T19:14:50 < Laurenceb_> I should create a linkedin page
2016-12-11T19:15:01 < Laurenceb_> skillz: IRC shitposting
2016-12-11T19:18:24 < Tectu> that image... do I see an LED hooked up to a GPIO w/o any resistor?
2016-12-11T19:27:40 < Steffanx> I should add a skill to mine too then Laurenceb_.. quieting you. 
2016-12-11T19:27:44 < KolK> do you know any STM32 prototyping board with DP83848 Ethernet PHY?
2016-12-11T19:28:01 < Laurenceb_> Tectu: yup
2016-12-11T19:28:33 < Steffanx> KolK: waveshare.
2016-12-11T19:29:14 < Tectu> Steffanx, I'd endorse
2016-12-11T19:29:20 < Steffanx> Yeah :D
2016-12-11T19:30:22 < KolK> Steffanx: I see Ethernet board with that chip. 
2016-12-11T19:31:02 < Steffanx> yes, and you can attach that board to a development board they also sell.
2016-12-11T19:31:09 < KolK> I'm asking, because STM32 Cube has generated code for Nucleo F429ZI with reference to DP83848 in code.
2016-12-11T19:32:13 < KolK> I think it might be a bug, because for same board it uses DP83848 when MII is selected and LAN8742A when RMII (LAN8742A is correct)
2016-12-11T19:33:29 < Steffanx> oh, ok. Don't know about that.
2016-12-11T19:34:16 < ReadErr> where the dank memes at Laurenceb_ 
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2016-12-11T19:35:11 < Laurenceb_> ReadErr: https://media.8ch.net/file_store/9568797fc7e338b6cf7a1f4d02026d3acefad16134cc7ab6c206d6c34e7b9ba5.jpg
2016-12-11T19:35:30 < Steffanx> Trigger alert.
2016-12-11T19:35:51 < ReadErr> #GAS THE BIKES, RACE WAR NOW!
2016-12-11T19:35:57 < Steffanx> Anyonere he ever happened to used SublimeGDB?
2016-12-11T19:38:15 < Steffanx> -d
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2016-12-11T19:49:15 < Tectu> stop posting crap Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-11T19:49:57 < englishman> agreedo
2016-12-11T19:51:35 < KolK> where can I submit bug info for STM32CubeMX? on their st.com forum?
2016-12-11T19:52:28 < englishman> i find submitting a ticket gets a response in 6-18 months
2016-12-11T19:52:34 < englishman> but it gets a response
2016-12-11T19:52:42 < englishman> they actually added features that i requested!
2016-12-11T19:53:10 < Tectu> just mail Clive
2016-12-11T19:53:30 < Tectu> englishman, I hope the requested feature is a perma-block on Laurenceb's IP
2016-12-11T19:53:56 < englishman> hi Tectu
2016-12-11T19:53:59 < englishman> feeling good today?
2016-12-11T19:54:02 < Tectu> hi englishman
2016-12-11T19:54:06 < Tectu> always. how about you?
2016-12-11T19:54:10 < englishman> good
2016-12-11T19:54:12 < englishman> got to fly today
2016-12-11T19:54:16 < Steffanx>  * howis.co ?
2016-12-11T19:54:18 < Steffanx> *ca
2016-12-11T19:54:46 < Steffanx> With you feet on the ground englishman?
2016-12-11T19:55:21 < englishman> howis.ca is available
2016-12-11T19:55:28 < englishman> affirmative
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2016-12-11T19:55:42 < englishman> made this yesterday https://i.sli.mg/we9ifI.jpg
2016-12-11T19:55:49 < englishman> stm32 content
2016-12-11T19:56:07 < KolK> englishman: should I do it on forum? seriously?
2016-12-11T19:56:09 < Tectu> I'm actually tempted to throw in a "it's black" joke here but...
2016-12-11T19:56:19 < englishman> KolK: dono, never used their forums
2016-12-11T19:56:26 < englishman> the support ticket system has been fine
2016-12-11T19:56:35 < Tectu> englishman, I still need to get myself one of those
2016-12-11T19:56:39 < englishman> yep
2016-12-11T19:57:07 < Steffanx> Oh, i saw that one.. and i was going to ask if you made that entirely yourself ( unlikely, but just curious)
2016-12-11T19:57:13 < Tectu> englishman, what are the bents in the steering/control rods for?
2016-12-11T19:57:33 < englishman> two reasons, first so in a crash the V takes some force and doesn't kill the servo
2016-12-11T19:57:38 < englishman> second so i can adjust them in the field
2016-12-11T19:57:57 < Tectu> doesn't one just trim on the remote control?
2016-12-11T19:58:07 < englishman> yes but that only goes so far
2016-12-11T19:58:11 < englishman> sometimes you have to yank on it
2016-12-11T19:58:46 < englishman> you still want the neutral to be pretty close to center
2016-12-11T19:58:49 < englishman> so you have range on both sides
2016-12-11T19:59:32 < KolK> englishman: thank you
2016-12-11T19:59:34 < Tectu> englishman, thank you
2016-12-11T19:59:39 < Tectu> err, that was awkward
2016-12-11T20:01:01 < englishman> Steffanx: the plane kit (foam + sticks) is purchased, with servos, motor, esc, winglets, and camera box, control RX is made by me, video transmitter is purchased from china, flightcontroller + on screen display is made by me (stm32), camera is purchased
2016-12-11T20:01:32 < BrainDamage> is this to perv on neighbours?
2016-12-11T20:06:39 < Steffanx> Are you drunk BrainDamage?
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2016-12-11T20:07:51 < englishman> yes ofc ninja spyplane
2016-12-11T20:09:47 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: no
2016-12-11T20:10:06 < Steffanx> ok.
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2016-12-11T20:40:56 < Rob235> hi peepz
2016-12-11T20:41:49 < Steffanx> Hello.
2016-12-11T20:42:18 < Rob235> how ya doin Steffanx 
2016-12-11T20:47:13 < Steffanx> Good.
2016-12-11T20:47:15 < Steffanx> There?
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2016-12-11T21:14:13 < Steffanx> Good to hear Rob235
2016-12-11T21:15:14 < Rob235> I'm doin okay
2016-12-11T21:15:17 < Rob235> I need a job
2016-12-11T21:17:15 < Steffanx> And what are you going to do about that? :)
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2016-12-11T21:48:57 < Steffanx> Anyone has played with one of those: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-Module-Ttl-Nrf51822-04-Ble4-0-3-3V-Low-Power-Consumption-Wireless-Bluetoo-G-/252672906388 ?
2016-12-11T21:49:09 < Steffanx> Are they the real deal or .. cloneware?
2016-12-11T21:49:47 < englishman> what do you mean
2016-12-11T21:49:56 < englishman> price looks ok
2016-12-11T21:50:13 < englishman> nrf stuff is cheap
2016-12-11T21:50:38 < englishman> passives + tiny pcb + china assembly + 5c xtal
2016-12-11T21:50:54 < englishman> shipping is probably the most expensive single line item
2016-12-11T21:52:32 < Steffanx> Nah, the text looked a bit off to me.
2016-12-11T21:52:39 < Steffanx> I was more interested if someone used/played around with em.
2016-12-11T21:52:55 < englishman> nrf51822 sure but not chinashit
2016-12-11T21:52:59 < englishman> the devboard was cheap enough, i got that
2016-12-11T21:53:12 < englishman> even used it with ugfx
2016-12-11T21:53:29 < Steffanx> Trigger Tectu ^
2016-12-11T21:53:37 < englishman> he doesnt care about any opensores
2016-12-11T21:53:46 < englishman> hes riding high on swissprofitz
2016-12-11T21:55:33 < Steffanx> What dev kit?
2016-12-11T21:55:36 < englishman> Steffanx i didnt know the eur had crashed so low
2016-12-11T21:55:41 < englishman> maybe its time to go back to eu for a giggle
2016-12-11T21:56:14 < englishman> oh
2016-12-11T21:56:16 < englishman> nrf51
2016-12-11T21:56:19 < englishman> i got hte waveshare lit
2016-12-11T21:56:20 < englishman> kit
2016-12-11T21:56:25 < Steffanx> Yeah, its terrible. Want the 1 euro = $1.50 times back.
2016-12-11T21:56:29 < englishman> i got nordick's devkit for nrf52
2016-12-11T21:56:52 < Tectu> englishman, currently working on a customer project with nrf52
2016-12-11T21:57:02 < englishman> Steffanx: i got these http://www.waveshare.com/nrf51822-eval-kit.htm
2016-12-11T21:57:03 < Tectu> was nrf51 two years ago and now the are upgrading their product.
2016-12-11T21:57:11 < englishman> can find them on ebay/aliexpress
2016-12-11T21:57:16 < englishman> cool Tectu 
2016-12-11T21:57:22 < englishman> but imo nrf52 is not much of an upgrade
2016-12-11T21:57:36 < englishman> after trying out both a little bit
2016-12-11T21:57:44 < Steffanx> Yeah, sorry.. i failed. Was looking at 52 too. Not 51. 
2016-12-11T21:57:48 < englishman> oh
2016-12-11T21:57:55 < englishman> nrf52, the nordic devkit is nice
2016-12-11T21:58:02 < Tectu> englishman, well it's a Cortex-M3 vs. a Cortex-M4F with a shit load more of memory
2016-12-11T21:58:12 < Tectu> englishman, and of course upgrades soft-device crap
2016-12-11T21:59:01 < Steffanx> nRF52840 looks fancy. With Bluetooth 5, but .. my phone doesn't do that.
2016-12-11T21:59:03 < Tectu> englishman, I'm talking shit. nrf51 is even Cortex-M0
2016-12-11T21:59:09 < englishman> this Steffanx http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/nordic-semiconductor-asa/NRF52-DK/1490-1053-ND/5773879
2016-12-11T21:59:12 < Tectu> englishman, so M0 to M4F is pretty much an upgrade ;)
2016-12-11T21:59:25 < englishman> yeah, but depends on what you're doing i guess
2016-12-11T21:59:29 < englishman> the peripherals are still crap
2016-12-11T21:59:31 < englishman> DMA is awful
2016-12-11T21:59:39 < englishman> and nrf51 already has quite a bit of memory and ram
2016-12-11T21:59:49 < englishman> so i dono, good it works for them tho, the chips are still really nice
2016-12-11T21:59:53 < Tectu> more memory more cat pics bro
2016-12-11T21:59:57 < englishman> and development is fast and easy
2016-12-11T22:00:01 < Tectu> jup
2016-12-11T22:00:06 < englishman> keil ftw
2016-12-11T22:00:09 < Tectu> indeed
2016-12-11T22:00:10 < Steffanx> fuck keil.
2016-12-11T22:00:25 < englishman> why teh hate
2016-12-11T22:00:28 < englishman> so much hate
2016-12-11T22:00:33 < Tectu> blasphemy!
2016-12-11T22:00:35 < Tectu> keil is awesome
2016-12-11T22:00:40 < Tectu> ask dongs
2016-12-11T22:00:40 < englishman> ^
2016-12-11T22:00:47 < Tectu> dongs-approved shit gotta be good.
2016-12-11T22:01:04 < englishman> thats why he doesnt use ugfx
2016-12-11T22:01:05 < englishman> rite
2016-12-11T22:01:12 < Tectu> lol
2016-12-11T22:01:14 < Steffanx> Dongs approved GNAA Last Measure.. "gotta be good".
2016-12-11T22:01:15 < Tectu> screw you :p
2016-12-11T22:07:30 < Steffanx> digikey and mouser are nice, but their shipping costs suck englishman ;)
2016-12-11T22:07:55 < englishman> thats actually the reason i use digikey, they care about canadians
2016-12-11T22:08:08 < Steffanx> Not about EUers
2016-12-11T22:08:38 < englishman> nothing at tme from nordick
2016-12-11T22:08:43 < Kliment> Steffanx: Eh? Free shipping at 50+eur
2016-12-11T22:08:47 < englishman> youd think eu-ers would have it easier
2016-12-11T22:08:59 < Steffanx> Oh, i thought around 100.
2016-12-11T22:09:02 < Kliment> Steffanx: I don't think I've ever had a digikey order below that value
2016-12-11T22:09:16 < Kliment> Steffanx: it used to be $100 back when the dollar was 0.7eur
2016-12-11T22:09:26 < Steffanx> Ah, explains a lot.
2016-12-11T22:09:27 < Kliment> Steffanx: mouser is 60 or 65 I think
2016-12-11T22:09:42 < englishman> 68eur at avnet lol
2016-12-11T22:09:56 < englishman> More available in: 111 weeks
2016-12-11T22:10:32 < englishman> https://www.rutronik24.com/product/nordic/nrf52-dk/7544091.html
2016-12-11T22:10:36 < englishman> there you go sir steffans
2016-12-11T22:11:02 < Kliment> I thought vendors universally said 16 weeks when they mean "never"
2016-12-11T22:14:06 < Steffanx> englishman, thank you
2016-12-11T22:14:32 < englishman> happy innovating
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2016-12-11T22:26:15 < Rob235> do employers use linkedIn?
2016-12-11T22:26:36 < Rob235> Steffanx: you asked what I was gonna do about it, I was ignoring you (not on purpose) because I was making a linkedin page hah
2016-12-11T22:27:04 < Steffanx> recruiters use linked in.
2016-12-11T22:27:26 < Rob235> oh man, I'll have jobs lined up in minutes! :P
2016-12-11T22:27:49 < Rob235> still adding comments to my drone code and cleaning it up so I can post it
2016-12-11T22:27:54 < Rob235> I fucking hate comments
2016-12-11T22:28:28 < Rob235> took 2 days to get halfway done, maybe 1/3rd...
2016-12-11T22:29:57 < Steffanx> So what kind of job is Rob235 looking for? Nothing at mcdonalds i guess? 
2016-12-11T22:30:18 < Rob235> anything really.  a programming job would be nice but I'm 3 courses shy of my degree at the moment...
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2016-12-11T22:31:15 < Rob235> electronic stuff would be cool but building a copter that any hobbyist can build doesn't qualify me
2016-12-11T22:39:11 < KreAture_Zzz> I know we love to use linkedin to see who we wanna avoid
2016-12-11T22:39:20 < Rob235> oh yea?
2016-12-11T22:39:26 < KreAture_Zzz> if you register on linkedin how you change jobs every 6 months we won't hire you
2016-12-11T22:39:30 < Rob235> just for having a profile or looking for something specific
2016-12-11T22:39:37 < KreAture_Zzz> takes 6 months to train you and then you quit, so no thanks
2016-12-11T22:39:45 < Rob235> what if you have no experience
2016-12-11T22:39:50 < Rob235> looking for entry level
2016-12-11T22:39:55 < Rob235> which is hard enough in itself
2016-12-11T22:39:56 < KreAture_Zzz> then there is nothing to put there now is it
2016-12-11T22:40:22 < KreAture_Zzz> I personally feel that if there is too much social networking going on on linkedin then you may not have good qualifications and are trying to compensate
2016-12-11T22:40:39 < KreAture_Zzz> it is very expensive hiring the wrong guy just because he know ppl and can talk
2016-12-11T22:41:00 < KreAture_Zzz> then again I work in product development and we use engineers of both hw, sw and mechanics
2016-12-11T22:41:40 < Rob235> I'm not trying to connect with people on it, I just connected to like 4 to not look like a loser.  I just tried to explain myself
2016-12-11T22:42:37 < Steffanx> KreAture_Zzz: .. a good interviewer will know fast enough.
2016-12-11T22:43:04 < KreAture_Zzz> Steffanx wish that was true
2016-12-11T22:43:22 < KreAture_Zzz> I personally feel they fucked up twice at my prev job
2016-12-11T22:43:22 < Steffanx> Then you're screwed anyway.
2016-12-11T22:43:32 < KreAture_Zzz> ppl that simply cost us money again and again
2016-12-11T22:43:45 < KreAture_Zzz> in a tight echonomy that doesn't work well
2016-12-11T22:44:30 < Steffanx> Isn't there this trail period of a month over there?
2016-12-11T22:45:07 < KreAture_Zzz> 6
2016-12-11T22:45:26 < Steffanx> 6 months? Damn.
2016-12-11T22:45:29 < KreAture_Zzz> but if management doesn't follow up on projects and they last 1.5 years anyways it isn't caught
2016-12-11T22:45:53 < KreAture_Zzz> once you are on solid ground it is very hard to fire you here
2016-12-11T22:46:13 < KreAture_Zzz> only practical way is to cut due to echo etc and possibly take out entire departments
2016-12-11T22:46:21 < KreAture_Zzz> (which is what happened to me now)
2016-12-11T22:46:34 < Steffanx> KreAture_Zzz is fired? 
2016-12-11T22:46:37 < KreAture_Zzz> yup
2016-12-11T22:46:44 < KreAture_Zzz> Got something lined up though
2016-12-11T22:46:49 < KreAture_Zzz> will know in a week if it pans out
2016-12-11T22:47:18 < Steffanx> Hah, was about to say.. from what i see you do , you have the skills to get "any" job.
2016-12-11T22:50:01 < Rob235> to be honest I'm a pussy.  I'm terrified of possibly getting hired and realizing I'm not nearly smart enough to do this job
2016-12-11T22:51:12 < BrainDamage> if it's any consolation, i get it regularry
2016-12-11T22:56:51 < KreAture_Zzz> Rob235 that won't be a problem as long as you don't deny it later
2016-12-11T22:56:55 < Steffanx> lol BrainDamage. No way. 
2016-12-11T22:57:33 < KreAture_Zzz> You can simply say there is a area you need more education on and ask if you can take a cource or something to bulk up on it
2016-12-11T22:57:54 < KreAture_Zzz> as long as you can cooperate and educate you can pretty much do anything
2016-12-11T22:58:26 < KreAture_Zzz> The ones to be weary about is the ones that know it all and do not need any help ever
2016-12-11T22:58:34 < KreAture_Zzz> Those have ruined projects for us
2016-12-11T22:58:54 < KreAture_Zzz> I still think they could have been saved by proper management though, hars but fair
2016-12-11T22:58:56 < KreAture_Zzz> harsh
2016-12-11T22:59:02 < KreAture_Zzz> or tough
2016-12-11T22:59:04 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2016-12-11T22:59:30 < Lux> scrum management
2016-12-11T22:59:42 < Steffanx> Im glad i work for a relatively small company where they are pretty serious about who they hire.
2016-12-11T22:59:47 < Lux> kinda comes to mind there, but it all sounds like marketing bs to me
2016-12-11T23:00:20 < Rob235> I think I pick up new things fairly well/quickly but I'm just not sure how the real world is paced or anything
2016-12-11T23:00:24 < Rob235> maybe I'm fine but really slow
2016-12-11T23:00:32 < KreAture_Zzz> Lux if you have a project member that gets a task, and there is an estimated ammount of work in that task and a deadline for when it needs to be done, you have to, as a manager, decide when to switch him out if he does not show any progress, adds a tonn of excuses, misses all deadlines and finally delivers sub par work
2016-12-11T23:00:36 < Steffanx> And because it's relatively small the project manager is closely involved in the process. ( mainly managing )
2016-12-11T23:00:38 < Rob235> or maybe I'm quick enough but I suck
2016-12-11T23:00:50 < Rob235> I wish there was a test online
2016-12-11T23:01:00 < Steffanx> hah, the only test is real life :D
2016-12-11T23:01:05 < Rob235> to gauge how prepared you are
2016-12-11T23:01:07 < Rob235> :)
2016-12-11T23:01:08 < Lux> KreAture_Zzz: yeah if that happens probably both should be laid off
2016-12-11T23:01:31 < Lux> or at least if people still fuck up then something more is wrong :)
2016-12-11T23:01:55 < Rob235> well at least soon my code will be online and you guys can troll me on that
2016-12-11T23:02:56 < Rob235> github or bitbucket?
2016-12-11T23:03:14 < Rob235> I have a paid github account (I didn't pay it though)
2016-12-11T23:03:22 < BrainDamage> whatever you're most comfortable with
2016-12-11T23:03:29 < Rob235> never really used either
2016-12-11T23:03:33 < BrainDamage> you can even use an http server if you want
2016-12-11T23:04:27 < Rob235> to put on a resume though, my pc goes to sleep when not in use.  I'll probably use github but i'll check out bitbucket before I make that decision
2016-12-11T23:04:56 < BrainDamage> then go github since it's more standard
2016-12-11T23:05:03 < Rob235> yea thats what I was thinking too
2016-12-11T23:05:45 < Rob235> alright well time to get back to work and keep adding comments and cleaning up the code
2016-12-11T23:06:41 < Steffanx> Are you doing doxygen or .. just comments?
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2016-12-11T23:07:06 < Rob235> uhh just comments, whats doxygen
2016-12-11T23:07:15 < Rob235> I have an idea
2016-12-11T23:07:54 < Steffanx>  It's a tool to generate documentation from annotations in your source.
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2016-12-11T23:08:50 < Steffanx> https://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/api/html/index.html that stuff, you have probably seen it before.
2016-12-11T23:09:00 < BrainDamage> don't forget to run function laurenceb(){ find . -iname="*.{c,h}" -exec sed -i s/" "// {}\; *} before you commit
2016-12-11T23:09:06 < Rob235> I'll look into it, I went through a few libraries adding just comments to say what each small block of code does but decided to get the horrible part of function comments out of the way with brief/params/return
2016-12-11T23:09:20 < BrainDamage> ops
2016-12-11T23:09:27 < BrainDamage> laurenceb(){ find . -iname="*.{c,h}" -exec sed -i s/" "// {}\; }
2016-12-11T23:09:46 < BrainDamage> it'll strip spaces from all the sources
2016-12-11T23:10:02 < Rob235> haha eww
2016-12-11T23:10:05 < Rob235> no
2016-12-11T23:10:20  * Rob235 needs spaces
2016-12-11T23:11:07 < Rob235> Steffanx: ahh I see what you mean now, thats pretty cool. 
2016-12-11T23:11:47 < BrainDamage> the real nice thing of doxygen is having it generate graphs
2016-12-11T23:11:58 < Rob235> graphs? of?
2016-12-11T23:11:59 < BrainDamage> call graphs, inheritance graphs, include graphs, etc
2016-12-11T23:12:05 < Rob235> ahh
2016-12-11T23:12:27 < Rob235> this project isn't that complicated
2016-12-11T23:13:41 < BrainDamage> oh and now that you'll have stuff on sjwhub, prepare to few mails from recruiter-bots
2016-12-11T23:14:25 < Steffanx> sjwhub, i still dont get it.
2016-12-11T23:15:15 < BrainDamage> github adopted as relation manager a famous sjw
2016-12-11T23:15:21 < Rob235> what do bots offer
2016-12-11T23:15:54 < Steffanx> I don't even know what a sjw is. but for some reason i better not ask.
2016-12-11T23:16:13 < BrainDamage> it stands for social justice warrior
2016-12-11T23:16:27 < BrainDamage> aka more internet bollocks
2016-12-11T23:17:43 < BrainDamage> Rob235: shit like "I came across your wide range of accomplishments–from your  impressive Github repositories to your UVa challenge performance–and had  to reach out as you are clearly someone who belongs on Google’s radar." dropping on your mail, except it's scripted, and they didn't even bother looking at your code
2016-12-11T23:18:02 < BrainDamage> well, that piece of text was scripted too
2016-12-11T23:18:16 < Rob235> ah
2016-12-11T23:22:35 < Steffanx> But you do belong on google's radar BrainDamage.
2016-12-11T23:23:12 < BrainDamage> yeaaah,no
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2016-12-12T02:26:35 < Rob235> Steffanx I hate you!
2016-12-12T02:26:53 < Rob235> not really, but why did you have to mention doxygen
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2016-12-12T02:37:14 < englishman> as i understand it dickedin is just facebook for people with jobs
2016-12-12T03:04:39 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/MHZmu5n.gifv
2016-12-12T03:12:45 < upgrdman> neat  http://imgur.com/gallery/7vwg4
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2016-12-12T03:33:51 < stvn> good morning Steffan
2016-12-12T03:39:47 < englishman> hello stvn https://i.sli.mg/FfrOPU.jpg
2016-12-12T03:40:12 < stvn> :D
2016-12-12T03:40:15 < stvn> fully dialled mate
2016-12-12T03:41:55 < stvn> https://il3.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/8191870/thumb/9.jpg
2016-12-12T03:43:03 < stvn> windows is installed englishman 
2016-12-12T03:43:16 < englishman> welcome to 2015
2016-12-12T03:43:31 < stvn> thank
2016-12-12T03:43:43 < stvn> cuntana
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2016-12-12T04:11:20 < dongs> sup dongs
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2016-12-12T04:13:23 < stvn> oh not much
2016-12-12T04:15:01 < stvn> tweakin
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2016-12-12T04:33:24 < aandrew> in alitum can I use a multi-part component (say a hex inverter) and have it automatically do the righ tthing to fill in the individual gates or will it be stupid and use a whole 74LS14 per sheet even though there are 5 free gates on each?
2016-12-12T04:33:40 < dongs> what is the question?
2016-12-12T04:33:59 < dongs> what do you mean "fill in"?
2016-12-12T04:34:01 < aandrew> I have 6 schematic sheets, each using 1 gate of an LS14
2016-12-12T04:34:19 < dongs> right
2016-12-12T04:34:22 < aandrew> if I instantiate that sheet 6 times, does it use 1 74LS14, or 6 of them even though there are only 6 gates used total
2016-12-12T04:34:30 < dongs> oh hah, good luck
2016-12-12T04:34:35 < aandrew> that's what I thought
2016-12-12T04:34:44 < aandrew> that's why I used 1G versions. :-)
2016-12-12T04:39:37 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/11/ransomware_offer_pay_us_a_770_ransom_or_infect_two_friends/ fucking hilarious retweet
2016-12-12T04:40:21 < stvn> the dirtiest pair
2016-12-12T04:44:29 < stvn> <DoYouKnow> amplifiers work on the principle of feedback 
2016-12-12T04:44:29 < stvn> <stvn> ashburgers
2016-12-12T04:48:17 < zyp> aandrew, it does whatever you tell it to
2016-12-12T04:49:07 < zyp> putting parts of a single component on separate sheets works just fine
2016-12-12T04:49:09 < dongs> how do you "tell" it to spread a 6-part component over 6 sheets?
2016-12-12T04:49:16 < dongs> zyp: this is hierarchical copied shit
2016-12-12T04:49:33 < zyp> that's not what he said
2016-12-12T04:49:43 < dongs>  < aandrew> if I instantiate that sheet 6 times,
2016-12-12T04:49:52 < dongs> to me that says he's using a repeat(6) or whatever
2016-12-12T04:50:04 < zyp> oh, right
2016-12-12T04:50:17 < zyp> idk about that, never used hierarchical sheets
2016-12-12T04:50:30 < dongs> i did, and i'm pretty sure that wouldn't work
2016-12-12T04:55:15 < aandrew> zyp: I'm using a hierarchical design
2016-12-12T04:55:18 < aandrew> yeah that is the trick
2016-12-12T04:55:27 < aandrew> I can do it manually, but altium is suppsoed to be awesome
2016-12-12T05:05:13 < dongs> aandrew: did you see my blog yesterday about sheet-local power ports
2016-12-12T05:05:43 < dongs> all yougotta do to make it local is connect to a port and don't connect that port on the sheet symbol later.
2016-12-12T05:06:40 < aandrew> no
2016-12-12T05:07:00 < aandrew> hm, interesting
2016-12-12T05:07:31 < aandrew> so on the toplevel sheet you don't connect it
2016-12-12T05:07:53 < aandrew> and the sheet symbol will hten only connect within the sheet
2016-12-12T05:08:00 < dongs> yeah. im doing these rs485 shits with vcc/signal gnd after the isolation part, and I don't want to connect them in multiple channels
2016-12-12T05:08:09 < dongs> normally if you just put a power port and call it SGND or whatever its global to all
2016-12-12T05:08:28 < dongs> but if you add a regular port -> wire -> SGND and don't connec that port on top level, tehn it becomes sheet local
2016-12-12T05:09:05 < aandrew> right right
2016-12-12T05:09:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FUNbdR0.png
2016-12-12T05:09:51 < dongs> before reading that shit in docs i was just using short wires + named nets, looked ugly
2016-12-12T05:10:43 < aandrew> yep I get it
2016-12-12T05:10:45 < aandrew> slick
2016-12-12T05:14:14 < Rob235> http://i.imgur.com/4rO13yp.png :P
2016-12-12T05:14:45 < dongs> what the shit, doxygen
2016-12-12T05:16:01 < dongs> > the real reason I run windows is for... literally everything because I'm not an autist who has the time to dig through repositories for alternative software, spending countless hours trying to mold the interface into something as convenient as windows' is by default, etc.
2016-12-12T05:19:10 < upgrdman> holy shit. why does ~nobody point out how the D part of a PID loop makes it FUCKING AWESOME. control like goes from "sorta kinda works" to "super fukkin pro"
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2016-12-12T05:21:00 < englishman> well it's an entire 1/3 of the name
2016-12-12T05:21:07 < englishman> and 100% of the difference with a PI controller
2016-12-12T05:21:13 < Rob235> D is more important than I
2016-12-12T05:21:40 < upgrdman> ya no shit
2016-12-12T05:24:35 < ohsix> buns
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2016-12-12T05:51:55 < ohsix> http://www.recode.net/2016/5/20/11715602/reddit-employees-safer-tamer-imzy
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2016-12-12T05:55:31 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/TheBBALLBox/status/807317132635738114 larry bird supercut, he fucking clowned on everyone
2016-12-12T05:58:10 < stvn> oy vey
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2016-12-12T06:11:39 < dongs> < Rob235> 8===D is more important than I
2016-12-12T06:19:04 < upgrdman> lol wanker station http://imgur.com/a/iPV9b
2016-12-12T06:20:10 < dongs> homosexual
2016-12-12T06:20:40 < dongs> how come leelooman has been quiet lately
2016-12-12T06:21:12 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/BearsEbooks/status/808042845151981568
2016-12-12T06:21:12 < upgrdman> i thought you have leeloo on ignore?
2016-12-12T06:24:30 < dongs> -!-  idle     : 2 days 19 hours 4 mins 32 secs [signon: Wed Nov 30 18:54:43 2016]
2016-12-12T06:24:33 < dongs> i do
2016-12-12T06:24:40 < dongs> but i havent seen autism-caused monologues either
2016-12-12T06:33:45 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Dymaxion/status/808157882613198848
2016-12-12T06:36:29 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul that dude has mobile home cheese plating on the walls
2016-12-12T06:36:45 < ohsix> i dont' even take pictures inside my house just in case someone might notice
2016-12-12T06:37:52 < ohsix> budlightbro
2016-12-12T06:37:53 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i never got that wgole fake wood paneling bs
2016-12-12T06:39:23 < ohsix> hm
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2016-12-12T06:39:40 < ohsix> lul i hadn't thought of it before, btu google can easily find every picture with a gun in it on the internet
2016-12-12T06:40:01 < ohsix> and they are nto adequately paranoid about that, at leas tnot to the level of their regular paranoia
2016-12-12T06:40:10 < dongs> i have STM32s in my wood panels
2016-12-12T06:40:17 < dongs> huhuh, i he siad wood
2016-12-12T06:40:42 < ohsix> pro move to use LED color with fringes out of color gamut for camera & regular pc displays
2016-12-12T06:44:06 < ohsix> 19:23 < zid:##re> It will teach you C90, the differences between C90 and C99 and C11 can be adequately described on a small napkin
2016-12-12T06:44:06 < ohsix> 19:23 < zid:##re> And it will teach you in the correct manner
2016-12-12T06:44:36 < aandrew> who's that
2016-12-12T06:44:46 < ohsix> just a dude
2016-12-12T06:44:57 < ohsix> hard to put that on a napkin is all
2016-12-12T06:45:23 < ohsix> though i guess if you have a whole book to do it 'right', you can sneak it in
2016-12-12T06:45:25 < ohsix> upgrdman: 21:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/807751100837351425
2016-12-12T06:47:41 < upgrdman> lol i tweeted this vid before him
2016-12-12T06:49:59 < ohsix> ya
2016-12-12T06:50:11 < ohsix> it got around twitter way after you posted it
2016-12-12T06:50:22 < ohsix> https://lujji.github.io/blog/stlink-clone-trace/ stm32 link!!!!!11 warning warning
2016-12-12T06:55:32 < ohsix> nice, you can make xkcd references to twitter randos and they know about them
2016-12-12T06:58:53 < ohsix> i reference a lot of stuff that ididn't personally find funny, because a lot of other people did :[
2016-12-12T06:59:42 < upgrdman> <ohsix> https://lujji.github.io/blog/stlink-clone-trace/ stm32 link!!!!!11 warning warning
2016-12-12T06:59:47 < upgrdman> fuck yes. nice!
2016-12-12T07:01:37 < ohsix> ikr
2016-12-12T07:01:41 < ohsix> it's rare but it's good
2016-12-12T07:02:44 < ohsix> i dunno if hackaday is cool & coy by not reporting on the actual cool shit someone has done, but they seem to do it pretty often. if there's an article that even remotely interests you, and it is about someones blog or whatever, check out their other stuff, what HaD is reporting on is probably the lamest
2016-12-12T07:09:56 < upgrdman> so im using some HC05 modules for bt uart. i see some "studdering" sometimes, which i assume it it recovering from lost packets and having to wait for resent packets. are there any quality bt uarts that are better than HC05/06?
2016-12-12T07:10:23 < ohsix> none that will likely avoid that specific thing, if it is happening
2016-12-12T07:10:42 < ohsix> though an poen question in my brain is whether those devices do wifi avoidance or the like
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2016-12-12T07:16:33 < dongs>  < upgrdman> <ohsix> https://lujji.github.io/blog/stlink-clone-trace/ stm32 link!!!!!11 warning warning
2016-12-12T07:16:38 < dongs> if only this wasnt posted like 24 hours ago
2016-12-12T07:16:49 < upgrdman> :/
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2016-12-12T07:17:11 < dongs> also it was only posted here after retweet-a-day.com "found" it
2016-12-12T07:17:55 < dongs> i like that he dumped both userspace and bootloader for stdink
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2016-12-12T07:18:13 < dongs> making chinese clones that much better
2016-12-12T07:18:27 < dongs> if only someone dumped jlink-ob bootloader this w ay
2016-12-12T07:18:38 < dongs> chinaclones come with a fake one that can't update via jlink.dll
2016-12-12T07:18:54 < dongs> just basically does main() { jmp(0x8003000); } or wahtever
2016-12-12T07:22:56 < aandrew> upgrdman: wtf man
2016-12-12T07:23:04 < aandrew> upgrdman: this is STM32, we don't talk about micros here
2016-12-12T07:23:27 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2016-12-12T07:23:29 < dongs> we only talk about micropenisis
2016-12-12T07:23:34 < dongs> of M2F converters
2016-12-12T07:23:46 < aandrew> bleh I don't want to make a fucking footprint 
2016-12-12T07:23:50 < dongs> you lazy cunt
2016-12-12T07:23:58 < aandrew> yeah
2016-12-12T07:24:01 < dongs> pull it from shitty vault and don't forget to delete all teh fucking extra garbage
2016-12-12T07:24:07 < aandrew> no it's not there
2016-12-12T07:24:12 < dongs> wat is it
2016-12-12T07:24:17 < aandrew> it's a BC2032 holder
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2016-12-12T07:24:48 < aandrew> er sorry CR2032 holder
2016-12-12T07:25:27 < aandrew> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/mpd-memory-protection-devices/BC2032/BC2032MPD-ND/3829711
2016-12-12T07:25:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/N0574aS.png this thing??
2016-12-12T07:25:30 < aandrew> that shit
2016-12-12T07:25:42 < aandrew> yeah like that
2016-12-12T07:26:00 < dongs> these are chinaclones of S8421R
2016-12-12T07:26:02 < dongs> which is the most common type
2016-12-12T07:26:04 < dongs>  / footprint
2016-12-12T07:26:11 < dongs> cheap as shit also
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2016-12-12T07:26:23 < Rob235> just ordered one of those things for $2.25 free shipping :)
2016-12-12T07:26:34 < dongs> stdick?
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2016-12-12T07:26:44 < Rob235> yea
2016-12-12T07:26:55 < dongs> I'm all good for a while with debugging with my JLINK ULTRA+
2016-12-12T07:26:57 < Rob235> wonder what shitty color I'm gonna get
2016-12-12T07:26:59 < aandrew> dongs: hm, have to check, they're picky abot some things
2016-12-12T07:27:00 < dongs> shit's dope
2016-12-12T07:27:08 < aandrew> Ill make the footprint just sick of making footprints 
2016-12-12T07:27:28 < dongs> that shit doesnt even list price man
2016-12-12T07:27:30 < Rob235> says they have limited supply left, id prefer purple over that yellow
2016-12-12T07:27:31 < dongs> what shitty part is this
2016-12-12T07:29:27 < dongs> wtf
2016-12-12T07:29:32 < dongs> yours is throgh-hole??
2016-12-12T07:30:04 < dongs> Part StatusObsolete
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2016-12-12T07:31:39 < aandrew> ohshit
2016-12-12T07:31:40 < aandrew> you're right
2016-12-12T07:31:45 < aandrew> they requested a dead part
2016-12-12T07:31:51 < aandrew> guess it's time to go with yours
2016-12-12T07:32:14 < dongs> yeah, i would say so, considering i spent looking through liek 10 differnt vendors of those fucking thigns to find the one that china clone the most
2016-12-12T07:32:38 < aandrew> heh
2016-12-12T07:34:07 < aandrew> I gotta go shovel snow
2016-12-12T07:34:09 < aandrew> fuck that shit
2016-12-12T07:34:14 < aandrew> I was late buying a snowblower
2016-12-12T07:34:19 < aandrew> I should just leave my family and move to .jp
2016-12-12T07:34:22 < ohsix> ugh finding new scrapes and cuts on my hands by the hour
2016-12-12T07:34:30 < ohsix> was fixing car when it crossed freezing temps yesterday
2016-12-12T07:34:33 < dongs> here you'd have to chop wood
2016-12-12T07:34:37 < dongs> for the winter
2016-12-12T07:34:59 < aandrew> don't they give you two or three people to do the shit work when you immigrate?
2016-12-12T07:34:59 < ohsix> i chopped wood earlier
2016-12-12T07:35:08 < ohsix> i had to try and find emoji that embodied the task for twitter
2016-12-12T07:35:41 < ohsix> there was a female i spoke to casually about having to chop wood
2016-12-12T07:35:45 < ohsix> she was really into it haha
2016-12-12T07:37:51 < dongs> thats usa
2016-12-12T07:38:48 < ohsix> maybe i should put that in social media profiles after programmer/hacker or whatever, digs ditches, chops wood, fixes cars, does manual labor as a hobby
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2016-12-12T07:47:54 < aandrew> ok
2016-12-12T07:47:55 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/fZHYC
2016-12-12T07:47:58 < aandrew> wtf am I doing wrong
2016-12-12T07:48:14 < aandrew> I have 8 "digital outputs" schematic sheets
2016-12-12T07:48:29 < aandrew> on layout all the fucking out terminals are connected to a net named "OUT" and not OUT1 thorugh OUT8
2016-12-12T07:51:00 < dongs> cuz you have a bus going to wire
2016-12-12T07:52:36 < aandrew> if I run the bus right to the port the compiler error is "Wire sheet entry Repeat(DIGITAL OUTPUTS,1,8)-OUT(I/O) at x/y placed on a bus"
2016-12-12T07:53:02 < dongs> i remember ther was some cuntery about this kinda stuff
2016-12-12T07:55:10 < dongs> https://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Multi-Channel+Design+Concepts buried somewhre in here
2016-12-12T07:55:22 < aandrew> yeah it's the same repeat bullshit
2016-12-12T07:55:23 < aandrew> I remember htis now
2016-12-12T07:56:04 < dongs> ok looks like their example does this
2016-12-12T07:57:00 < aandrew> yep
2016-12-12T07:57:02 < aandrew> that's the issue
2016-12-12T07:57:06 < aandrew> you use a wire to bus
2016-12-12T07:57:20 < aandrew> then you have to pollute the sheet with REPEAT(dong) for every signal
2016-12-12T07:57:50 < dongs> oh
2016-12-12T07:58:07 < dongs> looks like you have to do Repeat(OUT)
2016-12-12T07:58:10 < dongs> for the port name
2016-12-12T07:58:17 < dongs> in the symbol
2016-12-12T07:58:23 < dongs> to get it to generate repeated netrs
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2016-12-12T07:59:07 < aandrew> yep
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2016-12-12T08:31:35 < ohsix> ReadErr: i can see why people said dirk gently wouldn't work on tv
2016-12-12T08:31:40 < ohsix> and it is part of the plot
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2016-12-12T08:55:11 < ohsix> buh now i have to read the book(s)
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2016-12-12T09:44:49 < ohsix> lul maddox gives twitch subs his phone number
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2016-12-12T10:19:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, haven't watched this yet, but iirc you were interested in blender. this is a nice mix of EE fuckery and blender:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tjm3lMp4Co
2016-12-12T10:24:40 < stvn> that guy seems really high upgrdman 
2016-12-12T10:24:56 < upgrdman> lol that's just how he is
2016-12-12T10:25:06 < upgrdman> but ya
2016-12-12T10:26:43 < stvn> cool
2016-12-12T10:27:58 < upgrdman> super tempted to model a centipede robot in blender, sim it, and make it
2016-12-12T10:28:24 < dongs> heh fedevel
2016-12-12T10:28:25 < stvn> ok
2016-12-12T10:28:25 < upgrdman> saw a centipede in shanghai, never saw one in real life before, it's kina neat how they move
2016-12-12T10:28:42 < upgrdman> dongs, is that some well known org?
2016-12-12T10:28:47 < ohsix> just recalling now or are you back
2016-12-12T10:28:48 < dongs> yeah, he does altidumb lessons
2016-12-12T10:28:49 < dongs> for $$
2016-12-12T10:28:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, just recalling
2016-12-12T10:29:01 < dongs> fedevel academy or osmeshit
2016-12-12T10:29:04 < upgrdman> havnt been shanghaid in a while luckily
2016-12-12T10:29:07 < stvn> hnnn
2016-12-12T10:29:22 < stvn> they should have keil lesson
2016-12-12T10:29:30 < upgrdman> keil negrovision
2016-12-12T10:29:33 < ohsix> upgrdman: huh neat, getting data into blender might be a cheeky way to 'have' to learn it
2016-12-12T10:29:43 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-12T10:31:20 < ohsix> i'm no open sores evangelist, but it has been kind of cool to be publicly using some of this stuff, people think it is neat & most of same is available on windows and junk too (like, blender)
2016-12-12T10:34:44 < upgrdman> stvn, lol, just starting watching that vid i linked... no kidding, high as fuck huh
2016-12-12T10:35:09 < dongs> high on lunix
2016-12-12T10:35:12 < dongs> is he using lunix desktop
2016-12-12T10:35:17 < dongs> i guess not since he runs altidumb
2016-12-12T10:36:13 < upgrdman> looks like hes on win7
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2016-12-12T10:38:01 < stvn> okay
2016-12-12T10:38:05 < upgrdman> lolwut. one of my cousins got married. eloped. i dont think she's ever had a relationship for >6 months. wonder how long this'll last
2016-12-12T10:38:19 < stvn> about 15 minutes
2016-12-12T10:40:24 < ohsix> twitter has really cleaned up how i say shit
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2016-12-12T11:08:27 < upgrdman> lol "In this comprehensive guide, you will learn how to design a complete game from beginning to end, create games without writing a single line of code, ... program in Python like a pro"
2016-12-12T11:08:34 < upgrdman> from  https://store.blender.org/product/game-development-with-blender/
2016-12-12T11:09:01 < upgrdman> sweet, i cant wait to program python like a pro without writing one line of code
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2016-12-12T11:12:14 < stvn> jackin off
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2016-12-12T11:15:40 < dongs> sounds legit, python coders are real faggots
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2016-12-12T11:52:41 < ohsix> upgrdman: the way that guy says 'mouse wheel' is crazy
2016-12-12T11:52:51 < upgrdman> :)
2016-12-12T11:52:53 < ohsix> can't tell if russian
2016-12-12T11:53:25 < ohsix> sounds like an accent of 3 languages mixed together
2016-12-12T11:53:40 < upgrdman> ya im guessing eastern european mix
2016-12-12T12:09:31 < dongs> feranec? google says slovenia
2016-12-12T12:10:14 < dongs> feeranec
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2016-12-12T12:35:41 < stvn> good morning Laurenceb 
2016-12-12T12:43:14 < stvn> got any meems?
2016-12-12T12:44:10 < dongs> don't enable
2016-12-12T12:44:32 < stvn> fine
2016-12-12T12:48:26 < ohsix> oh man you going to let people tell you what to do like that?
2016-12-12T12:48:33 < ohsix> i thought you were kewl
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2016-12-12T13:10:13 < stvn> the peripheral is disabled
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2016-12-12T13:12:11 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaylord_Container_Corporation
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2016-12-12T13:18:32 < ohsix> http://farbtoner.com/ read as fartboner when visiting old tab
2016-12-12T13:21:57 < ohsix> lul rumors about mh17 were going around on twatter about 100 aids researchers being on the plane
2016-12-12T13:23:29 < ohsix> https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=barron%20trump%20autistic&oq=barron%20trump%20autistic&aqs=chrome..69i64j5l5.1537996j0j9 hahah someone bought ads for 'the-art-of-autism.com' for barron trump
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2016-12-12T13:24:04 < ohsix> oh darn, it's not a pun on the art of the deal
2016-12-12T13:32:15 < ohsix> h3h
2016-12-12T13:32:27 < ohsix> grand tour juarez in 4k, 35gb for one episode
2016-12-12T13:32:37 < ohsix> amazon streams 35gb per viewing in 4k
2016-12-12T13:33:34 < dongs> haha
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2016-12-12T13:41:16 < ohsix> wow wtf
2016-12-12T13:41:35 < ohsix> the trump dude that had paper photographed, it happened in the uk for some shit too, exactly the same way https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/28/uk-unlikely-to-stay-in-single-market-tory-document-suggests
2016-12-12T13:42:00 < ohsix> that's a crazy fuckup
2016-12-12T13:42:18 < ohsix> nngnh seems it could be deliberate
2016-12-12T13:42:36 < ohsix> brain wants to think it is not a coincidence, stop brain, i'll drink you to death
2016-12-12T13:43:17 < HorizonSet> Drown it in liquor!
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2016-12-12T13:47:13 < ohsix> need to watch trailer park boys again
2016-12-12T13:52:06 < stvn> HorizonSet, tried it
2016-12-12T13:52:10 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/391646602384
2016-12-12T13:52:29 < dongs> ohsixin' it up
2016-12-12T13:52:46 < dongs> what are chances if I bid 10c that nobody else will bid it up
2016-12-12T13:52:54 < stvn> prolly
2016-12-12T13:53:00 < stvn> is it legit or garbage?
2016-12-12T13:53:14 < dongs> just garbage usb3 hub, probably made on single-sided phenol pcb
2016-12-12T13:53:37 < stvn> yup
2016-12-12T13:57:56 < ohsix> 17$ delivery
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2016-12-12T13:58:55 < ohsix> i did that once when i was doing a thing for freeipods.com back in the day
2016-12-12T13:59:15 < ohsix> referral was 'buy one thing', i bought the first, cheapest bag of leds i saw, and the shipping was a bunch
2016-12-12T13:59:40 < dongs> found mission patch for crt http://68.media.tumblr.com/e5912bfd7b2164206a0aa598b9f19466/tumblr_ocjevijig51u76yf4o1_1280.jpg
2016-12-12T14:03:01 < stvn> anime?
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2016-12-12T14:20:16 < stvn> http://www.macrural.com.au/images/CRTLogo_transparent_650x593.png
2016-12-12T14:22:10 < Thorn> what is descriptor 0x600
2016-12-12T14:22:18 < Thorn> is it some windows specific shit
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2016-12-12T14:26:26 < karlp> will that usb-c port on that hub be properly bi-dir for power?
2016-12-12T14:26:40 < dongs> no
2016-12-12T14:26:43 < dongs> read the comments
2016-12-12T14:26:47 < dongs> thats exactly waht it doesnt do
2016-12-12T14:26:51 < dongs> doenst charge fagbook
2016-12-12T14:26:53 < dongs> lolo
2016-12-12T14:27:40 < karlp> heh
2016-12-12T14:29:55 < Thorn> my dwc_otg driver is kind of working http://paste.ofcode.org/TySHMADRcLRiy6h9HfJWDg
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2016-12-12T14:33:03 < dongs> cool printf debugging there pro
2016-12-12T14:33:53 < dongs> 100uF 35V cap
2016-12-12T14:33:55 < dongs> ALU only choice?
2016-12-12T14:34:12 < Thorn> print("isr_read_rxfifo() pktsts={:x} ep={} len={}\n", static_cast<uint32_t>(packet_status), ep, len);
2016-12-12T14:34:33 < dongs> nice C++ too
2016-12-12T14:34:39 < Thorn> c++ type safe print
2016-12-12T14:35:00 < Thorn> soon on github
2016-12-12T14:35:04 < Thorn> probably
2016-12-12T14:43:16 < jpa-> would be nice to use printf formats anyway, even if it is somewhat redundant with the type safety
2016-12-12T14:43:31 < jpa-> because who wants to learn yet another format string format
2016-12-12T14:43:39 < dongs> if only it was written in C
2016-12-12T14:43:57 < Thorn> it's a subset of python "".format()
2016-12-12T14:44:02 < dongs> ..
2016-12-12T14:44:18 < Thorn> currently very small subset
2016-12-12T14:44:58 < jpa-> that's why i use % in python also, can't bother to learn .format() syntax
2016-12-12T14:46:41 < dongs> that's why I don't use python at all, can't be bothered to learn another worthless "metoo" scripting language that serves no practical purpose
2016-12-12T14:46:42 < Thorn> I'll accept a pull request with an alternative parser lol
2016-12-12T14:49:52 < jpa-> Thorn: maybe you can enlighten me, how is .format() format better?
2016-12-12T14:51:58 < Thorn> default format if specifier is omitted, can refer to arguments by position ("{1} {0}".format('b', 'a') -> "a b") or by dict keys ("{foo}".format(dict(foo=1))), etc.
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2016-12-12T14:52:24 < Thorn> (I did not implement the last one)
2016-12-12T14:53:17 < __rob> dongs, that comment is nonsense
2016-12-12T14:53:46 < __rob> getting slight feeling of dejavu 
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2016-12-12T14:54:38 < __rob> serves a huge practical purpose for me
2016-12-12T14:57:24 < Thorn> print("decimal {} hex {0:x} bin {0:b}", 42);
2016-12-12T15:00:44 < jpa-> dict mapping works also with %, and doesn't require reinventing everything
2016-12-12T15:00:57 < jpa-> and %s works as a default format
2016-12-12T15:01:46 < jpa-> positional mapping seems only useful for localization, and for that purpose the numbered arguments are a bit useless because they are so easy to accidentally break when modifying code
2016-12-12T15:05:43 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7WBP891D_4
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2016-12-12T16:36:06 < englishman> dongs i bet ive already burned more wood than youve chopped
2016-12-12T16:36:32 < Laurenceb> sup trolls
2016-12-12T16:36:49 < englishman> hi Laurenceb any news from the russian electoral hacking society
2016-12-12T16:37:16 < Laurenceb> I've been too busy genociding people in east Aleppo
2016-12-12T16:37:58 < Laurenceb> and fighting the freedom fighters who want to bring secular peace and democracy to the country
2016-12-12T16:38:24 < Laurenceb> but with Putin at my side I'm a big guy
2016-12-12T16:38:28 < Laurenceb> for you
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2016-12-12T16:57:27 < qyx> meh, F3 has flash programming bits on different places than F4
2016-12-12T17:01:04 < Kliment> Anyone ever implemented an i2c programmer using the stock bootloader on the f0?
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2016-12-12T18:45:58 < Laurenceb> https://i.redditmedia.com/jYIgf46GlYKaVpJ2vCBD_Ktx0Lt97jsG0ZimxcGRnus.jpg?w=576&s=b42f314febb0778d2e5b15e12fe8ef52
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2016-12-12T19:10:57 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n33UNfjGNPo looks good
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2016-12-12T19:24:14 < Laurenceb>  /pol/acks are black http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38290932
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2016-12-12T19:43:29 < Tectu> anybody experienced with ARMCC and C inline assembly?
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2016-12-12T19:51:04 < Steffanx> englishman, dongs. wakey wakey.
2016-12-12T19:51:12 < englishman> hi u
2016-12-12T19:51:18 < englishman> i Tectu 
2016-12-12T19:51:19 < englishman> hi
2016-12-12T19:51:22 < englishman> yes i am
2016-12-12T19:51:33 < englishman> experienced in deleting it
2016-12-12T19:52:04 < Tectu> -__-
2016-12-12T19:52:16 < englishman> it works, but it's completely different syntax from gcc, so good luck with multiplatform shit etc, also annoying as fuck
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2016-12-12T19:52:47 < Tectu> englishman, yes, I already discovered that some time ago so now I'm writing ARMCC specific inline assembly.
2016-12-12T19:53:00 < Steffanx> *!*@host86-173-110-5.range86-173.btcentralplus.com Tectu.
2016-12-12T19:53:10 < Tectu> englishman, the issue I'm having is that I call  BL  to a C-function and it complains that it doesn't know the function.
2016-12-12T19:53:24 < Tectu> englishman, the C function is in another c file and I can't use  .extern   in the inline assembly.
2016-12-12T19:53:25 < englishman> dont you have to do __fuction or something
2016-12-12T19:53:28 < englishman> hm
2016-12-12T19:53:35 < Tectu> Steffanx, hmm?
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2016-12-12T19:55:25 < englishman> is there an extern in your c file to at least bring it into scope
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2016-12-12T19:56:00 < Tectu> englishman, ah, well, I #included the header
2016-12-12T19:56:12 < englishman> hm
2016-12-12T19:56:58 < Laurenceb> foo
2016-12-12T19:57:29 < Tectu> englishman, any other ideas?
2016-12-12T19:58:06 < englishman> does it work if you simply return a value and invoke that function back in c
2016-12-12T19:59:39 < Kliment> Tectu: You can make a static wrapper function and call that
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2016-12-12T20:08:46 < Tectu> Kliment, just tried that. Now I have the static C wrapper function, then directly below that another function that has inline assembly and it complains again about  Bad symbol 'functionWrapper' not defined or external
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2016-12-12T20:20:14 < Tectu> got it working
2016-12-12T20:20:16 < englishman> pretty sure it has to be __functionWrapper
2016-12-12T20:20:17 < englishman> etc
2016-12-12T20:20:22 < Tectu> __cpp much    http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0205f/Chdbhjcc.html
2016-12-12T20:20:36 < Tectu> englishman, actually it's   __cpp(anyStupidFunctionShit)
2016-12-12T20:20:43 < englishman> nice
2016-12-12T20:20:43 < Tectu> thanks for your help guys! :)
2016-12-12T20:21:28 < englishman> here's your reward Tectu https://i.sli.mg/FfrOPU.jpg
2016-12-12T20:21:43 < Tectu> -__-
2016-12-12T20:24:01 < Steffanx> Why __cpp ?
2016-12-12T20:24:11 < Steffanx> c puntion pointer?
2016-12-12T20:24:18 < Steffanx> *punction
2016-12-12T20:24:51 < Tectu> "You can use the __cpp keyword to access C or C++ compile-time constant expressions, including the addresses of data or functions with external linkage, from the assembly code."
2016-12-12T20:25:10 < englishman> ComPile time constant exPression
2016-12-12T20:26:46 < Tectu> lol, that try-hard
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2016-12-12T20:28:08 < Laurenceb> http://thefreethoughtproject.com/toy-doll-recording-conversations-police/
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2016-12-12T20:45:31 < aandrew> Laurenceb: that's fucked
2016-12-12T20:45:40 < aandrew> Laurenceb: do you guys have this "elf on a shelf" thing over there?
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2016-12-12T20:58:34 < Laurenceb> nope
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2016-12-12T21:13:24 < aandrew> it's fucking idiotic
2016-12-12T21:13:41 < aandrew> there's this toy elf that parents put up on a shelf or in a bookcacse or peeking out from behind a pot or something
2016-12-12T21:13:54 < aandrew> the idea is that the kids know there's someone always watching them so they better be good
2016-12-12T21:14:28 < aandrew> I can't think of a more idiotic idea than being raised to accept the idea of constant surveilance
2016-12-12T21:16:36 < Rob235> hello people
2016-12-12T21:16:46 < Tectu> Hello Mr. Vape
2016-12-12T21:16:52 < Tectu> stop vaping.
2016-12-12T21:16:53 < Rob235> hows it going
2016-12-12T21:16:59 < Tectu> good, my lungs feel fine too
2016-12-12T21:16:59 < Rob235> ok
2016-12-12T21:17:01 < Tectu> how about there?
2016-12-12T21:17:05 < Rob235> fantastic
2016-12-12T21:17:14 < Rob235> nice and clean
2016-12-12T21:17:26 < Tectu> keep it real
2016-12-12T21:17:38 < Rob235> :)
2016-12-12T21:17:52 < Rob235> I guess I should continue commenting my code... 
2016-12-12T21:18:00 < Rob235> damn waste of time
2016-12-12T21:18:23 < Steffanx> hah Rob235.
2016-12-12T21:18:32 < Tectu> what code are we talking about?
2016-12-12T21:18:34 < Rob235> :)
2016-12-12T21:18:39 < Rob235> my drone flight controller
2016-12-12T21:18:45 < Rob235> getting it ready to post
2016-12-12T21:18:56 < Thorn> switch to cobol, it's self-commenting
2016-12-12T21:19:04 < Rob235> and Steffanx gave me the 'great' idea to use doxygen
2016-12-12T21:19:04 < qyx> brianfuk
2016-12-12T21:19:24 < qyx> doxygen and its conventions is not that bad
2016-12-12T21:19:30 < Rob235> no its not bad at all
2016-12-12T21:19:35 < Rob235> but it requires changes 
2016-12-12T21:19:38 < Tectu> doxygen is great
2016-12-12T21:19:39 < qyx> although the generated html documentation is horible
2016-12-12T21:19:44 < Tectu> just doxygen from the beginning next time ;)
2016-12-12T21:19:48 < aandrew> oh christ, coxigen
2016-12-12T21:19:49 < Rob235> right
2016-12-12T21:20:15 < Tectu> keil approves doxygen
2016-12-12T21:20:16 < Tectu> http://www.keil.com/pack/doc/CMSIS/General/html/index.html
2016-12-12T21:20:19 < qyx> just use a bit of ocpd and type @todo instead of todo
2016-12-12T21:20:39 < aandrew> Tectu: that right there is the perfect reason to avoid both
2016-12-12T21:20:47 < Tectu> aandrew, lol
2016-12-12T21:20:47 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/4rO13yp working on my start page
2016-12-12T21:20:53 < aandrew> so
2016-12-12T21:21:03 < aandrew> $company here is evaluating keil
2016-12-12T21:21:06 < aandrew> I'm like wtf, whatever
2016-12-12T21:21:23 < Tectu> aandrew, keil is pretty decent. one of the only tools that just work.
2016-12-12T21:21:45 < aandrew> the chip (Kinetis KS20) is supported, but of course the KDS shit can't create a Keil project and so if you want to use the SDK or pin planner or anything you're on your own
2016-12-12T21:21:54 < Tectu> aandrew, I'm not using keil exclusively but I have to work on a customer project and they use keil I don't mind at all.
2016-12-12T21:22:08 < Tectu> aandrew, that is not Keil's fault and doesn't make Keil bad.
2016-12-12T21:22:18 < aandrew> Keil wants to sell us a $4k license, so I call them ask them how to do this shit then because writing all my own drivers when the fucking SDK is right there is idiotic
2016-12-12T21:22:26 < aandrew> they tell me to ask NXP
2016-12-12T21:22:29 < aandrew> lolwut
2016-12-12T21:23:02 < aandrew> then I tell them that the online howto of how to import a processor expert project into Keil is broken beucase Keil's UV4.exe silently fails when you say -i someshit.xml someshit.ovprojx
2016-12-12T21:23:08 < aandrew> no -? or /? or -help or whatever, no docs
2016-12-12T21:23:14 < aandrew> so I ask them and they say ask NXP
2016-12-12T21:23:22 < aandrew> I'm like GIVE ME A FUCKING REASON TO GIVE YOU $4000
2016-12-12T21:23:30 < aandrew> dude was supposed to come by on Friday for a sales call
2016-12-12T21:23:36 < aandrew> he blew us off, no explanation, no call, nothing
2016-12-12T21:23:46 < aandrew> it's like they're TRYING to prevent us from buying it
2016-12-12T21:23:50 < Tectu> can't judge the support
2016-12-12T21:24:03 < aandrew> they've succeeded. Keil does nothing that Atollic or KDS or whatever doesn't
2016-12-12T21:24:06 < Tectu> I just judge the IDE so far, but yes, support is definitely important too.
2016-12-12T21:24:22 < Steffanx> do they support folders in the project properly yet?
2016-12-12T21:24:24 < aandrew> they have a mediocre editor and a closed, proprietary compiler that I haven't been able to judge as better or worse than gCC
2016-12-12T21:24:40 < Tectu> aandrew, you can use GCC with Keil without any problems.
2016-12-12T21:24:43 < aandrew> I'm not paying $4k for an editor, debugger and closed compiler
2016-12-12T21:24:49 < aandrew> Tectu: so again why would I pay for it?
2016-12-12T21:25:02 < aandrew> I mean I almost want to be wrong here, I can't believe their support guys are that bad
2016-12-12T21:25:04 < Rob235> yea that editor is hideous 
2016-12-12T21:25:25 < Tectu> aandrew, you should file a complaint :p
2016-12-12T21:25:31 < aandrew> I mean let's be honest, Eclipse is a steaming pile of shit too, but at least it's Free
2016-12-12T21:26:13 < aandrew> this is the second Kinetis MCU I've been burned by
2016-12-12T21:26:17 < aandrew> fucking Freescale garbage
2016-12-12T21:26:22 < aandrew> oh best part
2016-12-12T21:26:41 < Steffanx> Is it rage o'clock?
2016-12-12T21:26:43 < aandrew> their support guy emails us a link ot mcuoneclipse, the EXACT FUCKING ARTICLE I TOLD HIM I FOUND ON FRIDAY AND THAT DIDN'T WORK
2016-12-12T21:26:51 < aandrew> damn right
2016-12-12T21:27:02 < aandrew> Keil can eat an entire bag of dicks
2016-12-12T21:27:13 < Steffanx> dongs .. dicks hah :D
2016-12-12T21:27:31 < aandrew> Me: Yo KeilDude, I can't import a KDS/PE project to use your tools. How do I do it? 
2016-12-12T21:27:39 < aandrew> KeilDude: don't know, you could ask NXP
2016-12-12T21:27:41 < aandrew> Me: ...
2016-12-12T21:27:51 < aandrew> KeilDude: Or.. I guess, I could ask them on your behalf
2016-12-12T21:27:58 < aandrew> today
2016-12-12T21:28:09 < aandrew> KeiilDude: Here's a web link I found. It should work
2016-12-12T21:28:20 < aandrew> Me: This is the EXACT link I told you about on Friday and which I said DOES NOT work
2016-12-12T21:29:11 < Tectu> aandrew, did you see this? https://mcuoneclipse.com/2014/11/09/using-keil-%CE%BCvision-5-with-processor-expert/
2016-12-12T21:29:20 < Tectu> aandrew, that should work
2016-12-12T21:29:42 < aandrew> lol
2016-12-12T21:29:49 < aandrew> yeah third time I saw that link now
2016-12-12T21:29:52 < aandrew> it doesn't fucking work
2016-12-12T21:29:56 < Thorn> are these cutters in any way decent https://www.aliexpress.com/item/P00337-Electrical-Wire-Cable-Cutters-Cutting-Side-Snips-Flush-Pliers-Nipper-Hand-Tools-Herramientas/32686834481.html
2016-12-12T21:30:11 < aandrew> uv4.exe -i foo.xml foo.uvprojx returns without error, but without generating anything either
2016-12-12T21:30:21 < aandrew> and of course uv4.exe has no docs, no -? /? whatever
2016-12-12T21:30:23 < aandrew> fuck Keil
2016-12-12T21:30:24 < aandrew> right in the ear
2016-12-12T21:30:49 < Rob235> Thorn: they look exactly like mine with different grips, I haven't had a problem with them
2016-12-12T21:30:56 < fenugrec> "quality tools" != aliexpress
2016-12-12T21:30:58 < Rob235> what are you cutting?
2016-12-12T21:31:09 < fenugrec> xcelite, knipex ftw
2016-12-12T21:32:48 < Tectu> I'm on fenugrec's side on this one
2016-12-12T21:32:55 < Rob235> I mainly use them for cutting vaping wire, 24awg ss316L or kanthal
2016-12-12T21:32:55 < Thorn> that is the first time I see a stupid safety warning right on the tool and it's Chinese wtf
2016-12-12T21:33:44 < Tectu> aandrew, maybe you should ask the Keil support for help
2016-12-12T21:33:53 < Thorn> Rob235: wire, leads and solder wick
2016-12-12T21:34:39 < Steffanx> Did Tectu actually read what aandrew says or is he trolling?
2016-12-12T21:34:56 < Steffanx> *said
2016-12-12T21:35:13 < fenugrec> I don't know why he even bothers with keil, just call nxp direct
2016-12-12T21:35:18 < Tectu> trolling.
2016-12-12T21:35:27 < Rob235> they aren't that sharp, nothing to compare them to though.  I just tried cutting some solder wick and it required some pulling, didn't just slice right through
2016-12-12T21:35:27 < Steffanx> I'll troll you.
2016-12-12T21:35:35 < Tectu> no you won't
2016-12-12T21:35:47 < Rob235> but I like em for the price anyway
2016-12-12T21:37:11 < Rob235> I think its just if you go too far out on the blade, if you stay closer to the tool side then its good.  wow this is the most in depth review I've given on a $2 item
2016-12-12T21:37:22 < Rob235> I'll stop now :)
2016-12-12T21:38:37 < Rob235> in eclipse can you search/replace something in all files?
2016-12-12T21:39:04 < Tectu> in eclipse you can do pretty much anything.
2016-12-12T21:39:29 < BrainDamage> i use this shit https://kaisertech.co.uk/media/catalog/category/2378-2674-large.jpg they work really fucking good
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2016-12-12T21:40:05 < Laurenceb> lul /brit/ is in meltdown
2016-12-12T21:40:11 < Laurenceb> they just got b&
2016-12-12T21:40:46 < Thorn> there are supposed to be cutters that catch wire pieces so that they don't fly off but I can't find any on aliexpress
2016-12-12T21:41:46 < Thorn> no need to USE SAFETY GLASSES
2016-12-12T21:41:48 < Rob235> Thorn: the ones you linked do a little, they are slightly magnetic
2016-12-12T21:42:16 < fenugrec> pvc / copper magnet
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2016-12-12T21:43:57 < Rob235> I wouldn't count on it though with those
2016-12-12T21:45:34 < Rob235> Steffanx: I don't remember if you mentioned it or if I read it, do you know what option you enable to include comments inside functions?
2016-12-12T21:45:40 < Rob235> for doxy
2016-12-12T21:46:08 < Steffanx> uh?
2016-12-12T21:46:12 < Rob235> heh ok nvm
2016-12-12T21:46:27 < Steffanx> lol
2016-12-12T21:46:37 < Rob235> I think I read there is an option to include comments within functions to add more info to the documentation like what goes on inside
2016-12-12T21:47:23 < Rob235> probably wouldn't use it in the end but curious to see how it looks
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2016-12-12T22:35:57 < englishman> aandrew: if kds is good enough, then why not use that?
2016-12-12T22:36:04 < englishman> clearly nxp is not interested in supporting keil
2016-12-12T22:42:24 < kakimir> isn't it keils jubb to support nxp?
2016-12-12T22:42:44 < englishman> not beyond arm-shit
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2016-12-12T23:11:45 < upgrdman_> just upgraded to glass dry-erase boards at work. 10/10 A+ would recommend
2016-12-12T23:12:36 < Steffanx> Whats the advantage over a "normal" whiteboard
2016-12-12T23:12:50 < englishman> what's the difference over "normal" glass
2016-12-12T23:13:21 < upgrdman_> Steffanx, looks nice, doesn't flex, erases very easily since the surface is very smooth
2016-12-12T23:13:44 < upgrdman_> englishman, ? well it's frosted and has mounting holes so you can mount it on a wall
2016-12-12T23:14:16 < englishman> how does it compare vs. the nearest window
2016-12-12T23:14:40 < upgrdman_> englishman, windows are usually transparent, and not ideally placed for writing on
2016-12-12T23:15:06 < englishman> dont use transparent markers then
2016-12-12T23:15:37 < upgrdman_> markers are fine. it's the "background" of a window that isnt
2016-12-12T23:22:31 < aandrew> englishman: it is, that's what I'd been recommending
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2016-12-12T23:22:54 < englishman> if they have money burning a hole in their pocket, tell them kds costs $4k
2016-12-12T23:23:00 < englishman> and sell it to them with a smiling face
2016-12-12T23:23:19 < Lux> isn't that pretty similar to enameled white boards ?
2016-12-12T23:24:31 < aandrew> englishman: haha
2016-12-12T23:24:50 < aandrew> englishman: nah they're good people, and I was wondering if I was just missing somethign with keil or if it is just shit
2016-12-12T23:24:54 < aandrew> seems like the latter
2016-12-12T23:25:05 < englishman> stick with eclipse + gcc then
2016-12-12T23:25:09 < englishman> and gdb
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2016-12-12T23:25:35 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/xz06c4X.png
2016-12-12T23:25:57 < aandrew> lol
2016-12-12T23:29:01 < kakimir> lpcxpresso
2016-12-12T23:29:10 < kakimir> when you do lpc
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2016-12-12T23:37:58 < kakimir> why visual studio has _DEBUG instead of DEBUG?
2016-12-12T23:38:04 < kakimir> define
2016-12-12T23:38:34 < kakimir> make it hard for everybody
2016-12-12T23:39:07 < kakimir> what is up with all the underlines added to stuff anyways
2016-12-12T23:39:33 < Fleck> doesn't mess with users names :p
2016-12-12T23:39:56 < kakimir> oh
2016-12-12T23:40:53 < kakimir> is it always _DEBUG?
2016-12-12T23:42:10 < Fleck> don't ask me, I don't use microsh*t crap :D
2016-12-12T23:45:22 < kakimir> generally
2016-12-12T23:52:41 < kakimir> do I need to cast type when I convert from signed to unsigned?
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2016-12-12T23:55:48 < kakimir> code doing weird makes sense if it is so
2016-12-12T23:55:51 < Fleck> if you don't care about warnings :D
2016-12-12T23:56:29 < kakimir> I do correct almost every single one with -Wextra on
2016-12-12T23:56:48 < kakimir> there was some one warning type I don't mind
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2016-12-12T23:58:35 < kakimir> I forgot to read them
2016-12-12T23:58:53 < upgrdman_> Lux, dunno but i like the loose of glass boards
2016-12-12T23:58:58 < upgrdman_> s/loose/look
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2016-12-13T00:17:16 < aandrew> does altidumb 17 crash any less than 16?
2016-12-13T00:17:33 < aandrew> kakimir: sure, for LPC. Gotta use kinetis for Kinetis
2016-12-13T00:17:46 < dongs> i've rarely had 16 crash
2016-12-13T00:18:02 < aandrew> I can go hours sometimes, then other times it's like every 2 minutes
2016-12-13T00:18:16 < dongs> well, once it crashes once, you gotta save and reload it
2016-12-13T00:18:22 < aandrew> of course
2016-12-13T00:18:31 < dongs> so 'every 2 minutes' is only if you didnt reload :)
2016-12-13T00:20:08 < dongs> anyway the only somewhat repeatable crash i've seen is trying to move traces while deleting them or so
2016-12-13T00:20:17 < dongs> like going from delete to moving quickly
2016-12-13T00:20:30 < dongs> there's some kinda race condition or something and it tries to do shit with deleted trace and crashes
2016-12-13T00:20:46 < dongs> and will keep popping up those crash wait dialogs if you move the mouse over anything
2016-12-13T00:21:36 < aandrew> oh yeah I know
2016-12-13T00:21:37 < aandrew> been there
2016-12-13T00:21:42 < aandrew> this was dicking around in vault
2016-12-13T00:21:58 < aandrew> I something screwy going on in vault I haven' tbene able to fix
2016-12-13T00:22:00 < aandrew> space bar doesn't work
2016-12-13T00:22:09 < aandrew> I can search, I can type any char but a fucking space
2016-12-13T00:22:20 < aandrew> restart altium, restart the PC, it persists
2016-12-13T00:22:30 < aandrew> it's  anew issue so It's probably some idiotic setting somewhere
2016-12-13T00:22:36 < aandrew> just haven't restarted all settings because that's a pain
2016-12-13T00:23:15 < dongs> 16->17 upgrade fucked some of my settings
2016-12-13T00:23:33 < aandrew> yeah that's why I haven't updated yet. I'll do it when I don't have active projects
2016-12-13T00:26:18 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/6CtkAH1.gifv
2016-12-13T00:32:06 < aandrew> HAHAHAH
2016-12-13T00:32:07 < aandrew> nice BrainDamage 
2016-12-13T00:35:59 < dongs> http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/11/the-link-between-autism-and-trans-identity/507509/
2016-12-13T00:36:17 < dongs> attn LeelooMinai 
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2016-12-13T00:39:33 < aandrew> three footprints left. the PHY, a switch and an 0805 LED. then it's stuffing 10lbs of crap in a 5lb bag time
2016-12-13T00:41:16 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/1NL80
2016-12-13T00:41:40 < aandrew> time to go put lights in the tree
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2016-12-13T00:58:55 < KreAture_Zzz> rotflmao
2016-12-13T00:59:59 < zyp> fun fun
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2016-12-13T02:39:34 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/6goLPbg.gifv
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2016-12-13T03:15:26 < Laurenceb_> oh yeah
2016-12-13T03:15:40 < Laurenceb_> Terrorist scum getting wiped out in Aleppo
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2016-12-13T05:09:35 < upgrdman> hmmm. centipede robot could be difficult. each leg will need to pivot in 2D
2016-12-13T05:10:04 < upgrdman> wonder if i could nig rig it with an assload of solenoids
2016-12-13T05:14:46 < aandrew> imagine the noise a hundred solenoids would make
2016-12-13T05:15:38 < upgrdman> http://www.kyoto-u.ac.jp/en/research/research_results/2016/160722_1.html   ... what do you do at the university? i hold a bundle of wire. that's it.
2016-12-13T05:15:44 < upgrdman> aandrew, ya.
2016-12-13T05:15:57 < upgrdman> would make for a nice halloween gadget
2016-12-13T05:40:06 < ohsix> sup
2016-12-13T05:40:31 < ohsix> just du it 19:14 < aandrew> imagine the noise a hundred solenoids would make
2016-12-13T05:41:56 < upgrdman> hmmm f469disco has super fucking annoying pwm noise at 8kHz. and lcd has a blue tint :/
2016-12-13T05:44:19 < ohsix> is it just on the pwm pin or is it from something coupled to that trace
2016-12-13T05:45:08 < upgrdman> dunno but im guesing its for lcd backlight
2016-12-13T05:59:16 < ohsix> is it cfl?
2016-12-13T05:59:32 < upgrdman> no, led. guessing theyre not doing CC
2016-12-13T05:59:41 < ohsix> weird
2016-12-13T05:59:53 < upgrdman> but something is humming at exactly 8kHz (checked with phone spectrum analyzer)
2016-12-13T06:00:00 < ohsix> makes sense tho, people get turd on emi when they're doing something like lighting a display
2016-12-13T06:00:06 < ohsix> ohh
2016-12-13T06:00:12 < ohsix> you can hear it?
2016-12-13T06:00:14 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-13T06:00:20 < upgrdman> from across the room
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2016-12-13T06:00:29 < ohsix> k you can probably find which component
2016-12-13T06:01:16 < upgrdman> pretty sure its backlight related. when fingering their demos, if the lcd turns off for a second, the sound goes away for a second
2016-12-13T06:01:42 < ohsix> http://www.waveshare.com/img/devkit/STM32F469I-DISCO/STM32F469I-DISCO-5.jpg xfrm on bottom left?
2016-12-13T06:02:01 < ohsix> or eh smd sideways connector
2016-12-13T06:02:24 < upgrdman> no its the SMD 0.1" right angle header
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2016-12-13T06:02:46 < ohsix> i see l4
2016-12-13T06:03:02 < ohsix> is that the only switching converter?
2016-12-13T06:03:38 < ohsix> finger that
2016-12-13T06:03:52 < upgrdman> dunno. i'll have to fuck with this over the weekend. i should record my PID dicktube video before i stop caring.
2016-12-13T06:04:35 < ohsix> du it
2016-12-13T06:04:53 < ohsix> but if it's an inductor or capacitor superglue might do it
2016-12-13T06:05:01 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-13T06:05:13 < ohsix> my car is such a qt now it isn't noisy
2016-12-13T06:05:27 < ohsix> it runs good :< like, i dunno; low mile good
2016-12-13T06:07:30 < ohsix> is your pid video going to have cool pictures
2016-12-13T06:07:45 < Thorn> ohsix: https://youtu.be/SXim8ve4qEM?t=3m16s
2016-12-13T06:08:08 < ohsix> i fixed a bk precision 20mhz scope that was designed in like the late 70s, early 80s, sold into the 90s
2016-12-13T06:08:17 < ohsix> i should have recorded it
2016-12-13T06:10:31 < ohsix> those little dogs are qt
2016-12-13T06:10:49 < ohsix> some kind of chiuauhua or something, person i follow on twatter has one too
2016-12-13T06:13:43 < Rob235> Chihuahuas are annoying as hell
2016-12-13T06:14:04 < Rob235> mean little annoying bastards
2016-12-13T06:15:03 < ohsix> yea, but that's not so much the dog, but the owner
2016-12-13T06:16:24 < ohsix> lynx will make america great again
2016-12-13T06:16:45 < ohsix> lul i told academic horse friend about library genesis today
2016-12-13T06:16:48 < ohsix> i thought she already knew
2016-12-13T06:17:07 < ohsix> but she came across some thing on google books and made a point to look at the cover and i was all 'i bet i can get that' olol
2016-12-13T06:17:33 < ohsix> she also found a thing about uhh, some book she's only been able to have for a few days at a time through interlibrary loans
2016-12-13T06:19:28 < ohsix> she kept talking about waiting for grant money and stuff and i'm all 'o man proof of principle, we could do a thing!!11', rebuffed but warmed to the idea by the time i left
2016-12-13T06:21:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, pid video is planned to be like 80% video showing robot with 4k tv in background showing telemetry charts, as i demo P, PI, PID and different gains. then 20% of code walkthrough and fuckery.
2016-12-13T06:23:53 < Rob235> can you send me that 100w led?
2016-12-13T06:24:06 < Rob235> and power supply of course 
2016-12-13T06:24:49 < upgrdman> me?
2016-12-13T06:25:28 < Rob235> yes
2016-12-13T06:25:37 < Rob235> I'm youtube stalking you
2016-12-13T06:25:44 < upgrdman> theyre cheap, just buy em on ebay or ali
2016-12-13T06:25:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: cool
2016-12-13T06:26:09 < ohsix> something with a simpler plant might be useful
2016-12-13T06:26:16 < ohsix> but later, if ever ;]
2016-12-13T06:26:29 < ohsix> control systems stuff is pretty abstract
2016-12-13T06:26:37 < ohsix> bbl
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2016-12-13T06:28:18 < Rob235> whachu mean by simpler plant
2016-12-13T06:36:12 < upgrdman> plant == thing being controlled by PID loop
2016-12-13T06:36:21 < upgrdman> a balancing robot is not a simple thing to control
2016-12-13T06:36:41 < upgrdman> e.g.  temp of a hotplate would be easier
2016-12-13T06:42:18 < Rob235> oh I thought plant meant something else. I thought it was more about the equation or something. good to know
2016-12-13T06:52:22 < upgrdman> anyone used any of the cheap micro servos from hobbyking? any of them very quiet and precise (good gears, etc.) ?
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2016-12-13T07:26:30 < Rickta59> is there any situation where a 10k pullup to 3v3 on the USB+ pin would result in the usb port enumerating properly? All the cheap stm32f103c8 minimum boards on ebay/aliexpress seem to have a 10k resistor. I'm trying to figure out why they might do that .. aside from having a pile of 10k resistor they need to get rid of
2016-12-13T07:28:09 < Rickta59> i have had to unsolder them and place a 1k5 one in its place for them to work
2016-12-13T07:28:58 < dongs> whats the pro way to pwm->amp like 8301
2016-12-13T07:29:03 < dongs> R + C to ground for lpf, done?
2016-12-13T07:29:09 < dongs> ^ emeb_mac 
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2016-12-13T07:29:55 < emeb_mac> yep - pretty much. If you only need 1st-order
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2016-12-13T07:31:38 < dongs> http://blog-yama.a-quest.com/?eid=970162 im reading this pro jap audio reccomendations and seems thats probly all i need
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2016-12-13T07:37:02 < dongs> fuck altidumb
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2016-12-13T07:58:30 < ohsix> altium is superior software
2016-12-13T07:58:38 < ohsix> i literally don't know what you mean!
2016-12-13T07:59:21 < ohsix> upgrdman: not from hobbyking but i got a bunch of those '9g' servos off ebay, if you buy a lot in one go they're usually the same model and alright
2016-12-13T07:59:30 < ohsix> i think they were 1.37$/ea or something
2016-12-13T08:00:08 < ohsix> Rickta59: dunno answer to question, but i have blue boards that have that 10k in there (and some variants) and they all work
2016-12-13T08:00:58 < Rickta59> they work as in they enumerate the native usb?
2016-12-13T08:01:01 < ohsix> i actually checked that resistor out cuz i saw you mention it on one of the threads, and ithink  here
2016-12-13T08:01:02 < ohsix> yea
2016-12-13T08:01:17 < ohsix> i flashed BMP on them and checked em out
2016-12-13T08:01:41 < Rickta59> do you plug into a desktop, laptop, usb hub?
2016-12-13T08:02:01 < dongs> autism?
2016-12-13T08:02:14 < dongs> ah yep.
2016-12-13T08:02:25 < jpa-> haha, 10k is pretty far off
2016-12-13T08:02:44 < jpa-> STM32L1 internal pullup is 1k and it works, but never seen anyone use 10k :P
2016-12-13T08:02:53 < dongs> jpa-: those redpill shitboards do
2016-12-13T08:02:56 < Rickta59> are yours pulled up to 5v maybe ohsix ?
2016-12-13T08:02:56 < dongs> cuz china
2016-12-13T08:03:06 < dongs> saw that on forum
2016-12-13T08:03:13 < dongs> how do I usb pullup
2016-12-13T08:03:18 < Rickta59> all the red ones I have are right 1k5
2016-12-13T08:03:33 < ohsix> Rickta59: laptop without a hub
2016-12-13T08:03:57 < Rickta59> yeah i've tried in my desktop *imac and a hub and neither work
2016-12-13T08:04:04 < Rickta59> the spec says 1k5 yes?
2016-12-13T08:04:07 < ohsix> i have a hub i could try it in, powered and unpowered, could find actual value if i checked it out again
2016-12-13T08:04:07 < Rickta59> to 3v3
2016-12-13T08:04:58 < ohsix> this was months ago
2016-12-13T08:06:18 < Rickta59> I pinged a seller on ebay who had > 100k sales and asked how many I would have to buy for them to put the 1k5 resistor on there .. we will see if they even answer
2016-12-13T08:14:42 < dongs> what the fucking fuck, altidumb doesnt wanna sync net colors in a new sch>pcb
2016-12-13T08:14:55 < dongs> even i enabled 'find changes' in the options
2016-12-13T08:16:26 < ohsix> the super moon is pretty super
2016-12-13T08:16:41 < ohsix> Rickta59: they're still selling them with the wrong resistor?
2016-12-13T08:16:48 < ohsix> or that vendor is
2016-12-13T08:16:58 < Rickta59> i'm going by the picture
2016-12-13T08:17:00 < ohsix> most of the ones i ordered were 'right', only the first one was weird
2016-12-13T08:17:01 < ohsix> ahhh
2016-12-13T08:17:08 < Rickta59> i haven't bought any in a year
2016-12-13T08:17:10 < ohsix> yea they aren't up to date, people keep using the same ones
2016-12-13T08:17:14 < ohsix> right
2016-12-13T08:17:27 < ohsix> i checked the new picture thing out when i bought more
2016-12-13T08:17:33 < Rickta59> ok i guess i just need to buy some
2016-12-13T08:17:36 < ohsix> yup
2016-12-13T08:18:05 < ohsix> last ones i got were more than 6 months ago and they were 'correct'
2016-12-13T08:18:14 < ohsix> even if there was old stock it's probably been long burned through by now
2016-12-13T08:18:24 < Rickta59> nice .. do you remember which vendor?
2016-12-13T08:18:42 < ohsix> i can check
2016-12-13T08:18:48 < Rickta59> thanks
2016-12-13T08:18:51 < ohsix> ReadErr: white rabbit junk is out, probably sucks :D
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2016-12-13T08:21:26 < ohsix> Rickta59: april http://www.ebay.com/usr/ustonok
2016-12-13T08:21:40 < ohsix> hur he's got some listed for 2$ now
2016-12-13T08:21:47 < ohsix> last thing i need
2016-12-13T08:21:50 < ohsix> ahhh
2016-12-13T08:21:54 < ohsix> the shipping isnt' free
2016-12-13T08:22:04 < Rickta59> thanks
2016-12-13T08:22:09 < ohsix> right. i bought them when the listing was probably wrong and shipping was still free
2016-12-13T08:22:33 < Rickta59> did it have 2 pins or 4 holding down the usb?
2016-12-13T08:22:40 < ohsix> sec
2016-12-13T08:23:18 < Rickta59> does the board have a notch or it is just surface soldered
2016-12-13T08:23:43 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-For-Arduino-NJIU/222082706313 these are probably the same images as when i ordered, let me xref actual boards
2016-12-13T08:24:00 < Rickta59> k the 2 pin
2016-12-13T08:24:08 < ohsix> i have a camera now, can get pix too
2016-12-13T08:24:15 < Rickta59> that is ok np
2016-12-13T08:24:39 < ohsix> the ones i got are 4 pin
2016-12-13T08:24:41 < Rickta59> i'm just going to order a few and see what theye ship
2016-12-13T08:24:43 < Rickta59> ok great
2016-12-13T08:24:49 < ohsix> the one i originally ordered had 4 pin too, but wrong resistor
2016-12-13T08:25:00 < ohsix> find cheapest listing and order from them :p they'll probably be right
2016-12-13T08:25:11 < ohsix> which resistor was it again?
2016-12-13T08:26:10 < Rickta59> r10
2016-12-13T08:26:10 < ohsix> r10?
2016-12-13T08:26:12 < ohsix> k
2016-12-13T08:26:27 < ohsix> yea on first board i ever got, more than a year ago, 103
2016-12-13T08:26:37 < ohsix> the ones i got in april, 152
2016-12-13T08:26:42 < Rickta59> perfect
2016-12-13T08:27:02 < ohsix> huhu glad to help, found thread useful! didn't even know about it when i ordered them :p
2016-12-13T08:27:10 < ohsix> also i've used the bmp image
2016-12-13T08:27:23 < Rickta59> i switched over to the standard stlink build
2016-12-13T08:27:30 < Rickta59> gets the latest stuff with no work :)
2016-12-13T08:27:39 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-13T08:27:50 < ohsix> on the blue boards too?
2016-12-13T08:27:51 < Rickta59> stlink platform i mean
2016-12-13T08:27:58 < Rickta59> not the stlink from st
2016-12-13T08:27:58 < ohsix> ah
2016-12-13T08:28:04 < Rickta59> bmp + stlink platform
2016-12-13T08:28:11 < ohsix> the chinese programmer footprint ones
2016-12-13T08:28:36 < Rickta59> i actually put it on a stm32vldiscovery that had the stlink-v1 firmware
2016-12-13T08:28:46 < Rickta59> but it loads fine on the blue ones
2016-12-13T08:29:51 < ohsix> dongs / ReadErr / ABLomas http://www.airselfiecamera.com/
2016-12-13T08:30:06 < ohsix> + drone crowdfundign lollers
2016-12-13T08:31:55 < ReadErr> london huh
2016-12-13T08:31:57 < ohsix> lolll the video
2016-12-13T08:32:01 < ohsix> it's just as scam
2016-12-13T08:32:02 < ReadErr> wonder the connection to zano
2016-12-13T08:32:17 < ohsix> they have shots where they're holding the thing in their hand and the edit is really bad
2016-12-13T08:32:25 < ohsix> and actual pictures are like 15 feet away
2016-12-13T08:33:15 < ohsix> even if it isn't real, the outrunner format with th emoulded blades on the outer can is neat
2016-12-13T08:38:40 < dongs> zano>
2016-12-13T08:38:46 < dongs> is that the uh
2016-12-13T08:38:48 < dongs> airslfeif shit?
2016-12-13T08:39:01 < ReadErr> yea
2016-12-13T08:39:06 < dongs> that shit's fuckin aids
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2016-12-13T08:41:42 < dongs> wobbly chinacopter in chatch-inspired form factor
2016-12-13T08:42:04 < ReadErr> I duno if it even flies 
2016-12-13T08:43:21 < ReadErr> well I guess they got a video
2016-12-13T08:43:34 < dongs> yeah the one where he cant eecn keep it in one spot for more than a second
2016-12-13T08:43:36 < dongs> flies great
2016-12-13T08:43:44 < dongs> and the campaign one its flying on strings
2016-12-13T08:44:00 < dongs> its not related to london, its run by some italian mafia scammer
2016-12-13T08:44:06 < dongs> Mondo italy or someshit, or m-something i forget
2016-12-13T08:44:37 < ohsix> Rickta59: http://imgur.com/a/UrB1J
2016-12-13T08:45:15 < ohsix> what's a chatch
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2016-12-13T08:45:45 < ReadErr> u dont wanna know
2016-12-13T08:46:05 < ohsix> does he try and make enclosed quads in rectangles
2016-12-13T08:46:12 < dongs> why the shit do netties in altidumb need footprints
2016-12-13T08:46:17 < ohsix> i'm not super invested in drone stuff
2016-12-13T08:46:20 < ReadErr> chatch is a noun and a verb
2016-12-13T08:46:31 < ohsix> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chatch lool
2016-12-13T08:46:44 < dongs> aandrew: beep
2016-12-13T08:47:16 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-13T08:47:21 < ohsix> need to order more ebay crap
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2016-12-13T08:47:50 < Kliment> "the urban dictionary t-shirt, soft and offensive, just like you"
2016-12-13T08:54:12 < Thorn> http://coub.com/view/iw0cp
2016-12-13T08:54:31 < Kliment> hehee https://cpldcpu.com/2014/03/19/%C2%B5-wire-usb-on-an-attiny-10/
2016-12-13T08:58:37 < Kliment> That's some impressive work
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2016-12-13T09:04:11 < dongs> > surprisingly powerful devices
2016-12-13T09:04:18 < dongs> > 32 bytes of SRAM 
2016-12-13T09:04:22 < dongs> > 2016
2016-12-13T09:04:25 < dongs> what, teh fuck?
2016-12-13T09:05:02 < ohsix> Kliment: neat
2016-12-13T09:07:12 < dongs> oh, 2014
2016-12-13T09:07:18 < dongs> ok excused
2016-12-13T09:10:30 < ohsix> I removed all handling of the reset signal on the USB-Bus. This means the device will not properly re-enumerate when a bus reset is issued. But this is not a problem if you plug it in after the PC was turned on.
2016-12-13T09:10:33 < ohsix> heh that's not good
2016-12-13T09:11:43 < ohsix> https://cpldcpu.com/2016/11/26/dice10-electronic-dice-controlled-by-two-gpio/ huhuh that's cute too
2016-12-13T09:12:12 < ohsix> i've got breakout boards for tiny 8 pin junk, was looking for something to  use them with
2016-12-13T09:18:37 < ohsix> i've got access to a microscope with a camera on it, need to decapsomecrap
2016-12-13T09:19:38 < dongs> fucking nettie shit is not working like it should be fuck.
2016-12-13T09:20:27 < ohsix> i think you're wrong, altium is the ubermensch of software
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2016-12-13T09:23:09 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WS2812B-5050-RGB-30-LED-1M-String-Strip-Lights-Individual-Addressable-JL-/161928779207?hash=item25b3b515c7:g:HLQAAOSwH71XPBs8 lul ReadErr luckapen might just be dumb
2016-12-13T09:23:33 < ohsix> shows picture of 114lights/meter, for a 30 light per meter strip
2016-12-13T09:24:11 < ohsix> ahah there are multiple listings, some withotu any pictures of 30/m
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2016-12-13T09:36:05 < ohsix> ugh whut there's a 'the drone girl' https://twitter.com/TheDroneGirl
2016-12-13T09:37:19 < ohsix> crap, wednesday is going to be a snowshitso
2016-12-13T09:43:30 < ohsix> drinking game: every time dave says 'groundbreaking' in the osborne video
2016-12-13T09:43:38 < ohsix> have at least a fifth
2016-12-13T09:43:48 < ReadErr> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzNJtmUUAAEGjsa.jpg:large
2016-12-13T09:43:56 < ReadErr> oh wow a PHANTOMPILOT
2016-12-13T09:44:12 < ohsix> ujelly
2016-12-13T09:44:24 < ReadErr> iJustine flies a phantom and is easier on the eyes
2016-12-13T09:44:43 < ohsix> i resent calling it flying
2016-12-13T09:45:01 < ohsix> once you close the loop with gps you're just fucking around
2016-12-13T09:45:07 < dongs> <tab> to select next is either broken or fucked up in A17
2016-12-13T09:45:10 < dongs> motherfucker
2016-12-13T09:45:48 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/TheDroneGirl/status/798957503136444416
2016-12-13T09:45:59 < ohsix> what a bunch of megs
2016-12-13T09:46:05 < dongs> and select in sch -> shit doesnt get selected in pcb anymore
2016-12-13T09:46:26 < dongs> i saw that was something new in 17 so they probably turned off that pref
2016-12-13T09:46:34 < ohsix> it look slike a marketing account
2016-12-13T09:47:11 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/TheDroneGirl/status/787758016145727488 lul in october, not in a hurry for being 'the drone girl'
2016-12-13T09:47:21 < ReadErr> http://santacruzfpv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Heashot.jpg
2016-12-13T09:47:56 < ohsix> walmart was bust on black friday like woah
2016-12-13T09:48:10 < ohsix> there are 'call of duty' quads that were 99 on black friday, tons they didn't sell, discounted to 60
2016-12-13T09:48:14 < ohsix> almost worth a laugh
2016-12-13T09:48:44 < ReadErr> http://hovercam.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/wpid-184i7wQ9mcsgius4geikUxQ.jpeg
2016-12-13T09:48:45 < ReadErr> lul
2016-12-13T09:49:02 < ohsix> fpv is a boon for chunkers
2016-12-13T09:49:05 < ohsix> they don't have to move
2016-12-13T09:49:21 < ohsix> wait i've seen that image before
2016-12-13T09:49:24 < ohsix> it was from drama
2016-12-13T09:50:04 < ReadErr> postal used to sponsor her
2016-12-13T09:50:38 < ReadErr> or it
2016-12-13T09:53:55 < ohsix> i'm sure she's fine
2016-12-13T09:54:33 < ohsix> heh wtf, wifi router comes up from power off 10x faster than it does if i use the web interface to reboot it
2016-12-13T10:00:17 < ReadErr> saw this shit the other day
2016-12-13T10:00:32 < ReadErr> about how canada is going all SJW anti free speech 
2016-12-13T10:00:39 < ReadErr> w/ the gender pronoun shit
2016-12-13T10:02:20 < PaulFertser> ohsix: with OpenWrt?
2016-12-13T10:06:00 < ohsix> PaulFertser: dd, need to get rid of it
2016-12-13T10:06:17 < ohsix> ReadErr: lul the free speech meme is a red herring
2016-12-13T10:06:21 < ohsix> look closer
2016-12-13T10:06:44 < ohsix> people that use it don't even know what free speech is, it's a lot more close to 'i can say what i want without any consequences'
2016-12-13T10:07:24 < ReadErr> ohsix: but there are consequences 
2016-12-13T10:07:34 < ReadErr> for not using all 29 pronouns 
2016-12-13T10:08:37 < ohsix> proscriptive use doesn't even make sense
2016-12-13T10:08:44 < ohsix> you mean not including them in questions of gender?
2016-12-13T10:09:11 < ohsix> it is kind of weird if you think too hard about being ultra specific
2016-12-13T10:10:30 < ohsix> why would you want to provide to any third party in some official as records capacity, the particular pronoun you go by; when i see a gender checkbox i'm usually not goign to check it at all, cuz the person asking doesn't need it for what i'm filling the form out for
2016-12-13T10:10:31 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE
2016-12-13T10:10:46 < ReadErr> this nigga look like bill nye and sound like sal goodman 
2016-12-13T10:11:00 < ohsix> it would be interesting to use it to personalize correspondence a little better
2016-12-13T10:11:31 < ohsix> like some places ask you if you're addressed as misses, miss, sir, doctor
2016-12-13T10:13:14 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/rad_milk/status/808476843347034112 relevant
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2016-12-13T10:22:30 < stvn> hi stm32
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2016-12-13T10:29:45 < ohsix> http://beat-root.co.uk/
2016-12-13T10:32:55 < Steffanx> Ohsix, this is not a stumble upon sink... 
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2016-12-13T10:35:42 < ohsix> ru sure you don't want in the billion dollar business of wood with a cord in it
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2016-12-13T10:37:44 < upgrdman> neat  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS6_BCS2Lg
2016-12-13T10:37:55 < ohsix> someone on twatter was asking about how to style a stompbox, gis stompbox hand painting, see beat root
2016-12-13T10:39:00 < stvn> ty
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2016-12-13T10:39:09 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
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2016-12-13T10:39:52 < ohsix> upgrdman: after you mentioned the worm thing last time ... i've been meaning to print a shell that can hold the 9g servos and be all snake like, haven't yet
2016-12-13T10:40:53 < ohsix> you should be able to make a segment with one servo, and a place to attach another segment rotated 90 degrees
2016-12-13T10:42:00 < upgrdman> cool
2016-12-13T10:43:28 < upgrdman> ya i plan to do something like that. servos "pointing down" that let the segments undulate, and servos attached to those that let pair of legs rock up and down
2016-12-13T10:43:45 < ohsix> gah phone reboobed when i tried to put pic on imgur, but basically you can rotate the servos so the horns are in a square-ish small space
2016-12-13T10:43:55 < ohsix> then you can put the horns on the shell and snap the servo in
2016-12-13T10:51:33 < upgrdman> ohsix, https://youtu.be/lPlP4J8bMiM?t=18
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2016-12-13T10:54:59 < ohsix> lul
2016-12-13T10:55:06 < ohsix> it sounds massive and takes forever to enter the scene
2016-12-13T10:55:11 < ohsix> that's some genius film making
2016-12-13T10:56:13 < ohsix> design jobs for toys seem cool, if you get to make that kind of thing
2016-12-13T10:56:29 < ohsix> always amazingly crazy price pressure, even for electronics its' nuts
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2016-12-13T10:57:07 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCum3n9CEat7RfIeCV99NdLg you might like thsi guys' junk
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2016-12-13T10:59:47 < ReadErr> stumbleupon 
2016-12-13T10:59:51 < ReadErr> talk about a throwback
2016-12-13T10:59:57 < upgrdman> lol, not amused  https://youtu.be/wtJ8UjhfRt0?t=44
2016-12-13T11:00:27 < stvn> >
2016-12-13T11:00:57 < ohsix> there's one with a dog
2016-12-13T11:00:58 < ohsix> sec
2016-12-13T11:01:11 < upgrdman> haha soo cool  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRlWQpNl5aM
2016-12-13T11:01:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, how did you find that chnnael
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2016-12-13T11:03:36 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU1mqLHuQZE this isn't it
2016-12-13T11:03:55 < ohsix> upgrdman: i think when i was trying to find something else
2016-12-13T11:04:05 < ohsix> the flywheel robots ended up in search results
2016-12-13T11:06:32 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J2XzEqM-pg doge
2016-12-13T11:07:00 < ohsix> wow there are tiny bearings in the thing huhu
2016-12-13T11:07:09 < ohsix> i've priced some of those, they're crazy expensive
2016-12-13T11:09:40 < ohsix> hrm that isn't 'the' doge' video, blah; oh well, one of them in there has the dog poncing it up
2016-12-13T11:17:18 < ohsix> upgrdman: can you do rigs like this in blender? https://twitter.com/claudiosalas/status/808253045414961156
2016-12-13T11:18:38 < stvn> are you on twitter ohsix ?
2016-12-13T11:18:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, blender can, i cant
2016-12-13T11:19:11 < stvn> can i add you on twitter ohsix
2016-12-13T11:19:19 < upgrdman> but theres support for physics sims with springs, etc. to do that. plus the usual inverse kinematics / forward kinematics stuff
2016-12-13T11:28:09 < stvn> the old spring mass and damper
2016-12-13T11:28:25 < stvn> the underdamped system
2016-12-13T11:28:40 < stvn> the second order differential equations!!!
2016-12-13T11:29:40 < stvn> fuck for a minute i thought i was in stonertronics
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2016-12-13T11:32:20 < ohsix> upgrdman: cool
2016-12-13T11:32:43 < ohsix> i've seen 'regular' rigging and shit, but nothing like that, it's neat
2016-12-13T11:33:16 < ohsix> 'course you can then instance that part all over and get decent looking stuff that reacts to what it is attached to and shiz
2016-12-13T11:36:07 < Steffanx> Better follow some tutorials.
2016-12-13T11:36:58 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
2016-12-13T11:37:18 < ohsix> i've heard they're rumored to exist even
2016-12-13T11:37:31 < ohsix> fudge, 4gb of ram is killing me slowly
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2016-12-13T11:44:31 < ohsix> ReadErr: lul was ready to shit on white rabbit project immediately, but the first thing they do is an interview with a dude like they did with the cultural anthropologists and shit early on in mythbusters
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2016-12-13T11:50:33 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co3D6-xWEAA8eYW.jpg
2016-12-13T12:02:57 < ohsix> ReadErr: they aren't really building or doing anything, it's like a bunch of failed science shows, voiceovers and everything
2016-12-13T12:07:44 < ohsix> bbl
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2016-12-13T13:38:45 < Thorn> https://my.st.com/content/my_st_com/en/events/registration-for-stm32f7-online-course.html https://my.st.com/content/my_st_com/en/events/registration-for-nfc-online-course-.html
2016-12-13T13:39:14 < Steffanx> Login page... ?
2016-12-13T13:42:06 < Thorn> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/events/events.html/stm32f7-online-course.html  http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/events/events.html/nfc-online-course.html
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2016-12-13T14:31:40 < Steffanx> Tek2.
2016-12-13T14:40:42 < Thorn> anyone wants 5kg of solder https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5KG-Sn99-3-Cu0-7-Lead-free-Soldering-bar-Pure-tin-article-solder-soldering-tin-bar/32687074865.html
2016-12-13T14:41:13 < Thorn> is that a whisker btw
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2016-12-13T14:45:50 < Tectu> US $51.21 to Switzerland via DHL
2016-12-13T14:50:43 < Steffanx> Lets make some tin figures.
2016-12-13T14:52:28 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/30c0eb3d8b60fe4bbaf7f82b867ea5e936a0d05c8e2e30d757b656bbdd2324b7.webm
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2016-12-13T15:06:38 < kakimir> high profile mission
2016-12-13T15:13:30 < Laurenceb_> wow the comments https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808469755749339136
2016-12-13T15:13:55 < Laurenceb_> not sure if president of murica or 4chan
2016-12-13T15:18:50 < aandrew> dongs: boop
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2016-12-13T15:25:53 < kakimir> so I have pointer to string
2016-12-13T15:26:54 < kakimir> there has been shit written in string and the length of crap has been stored in length variable and I want to continue to write some crap in the string from where I ended last write
2016-12-13T15:27:16 < kakimir> do I point to string with string+length?
2016-12-13T15:27:32 < kakimir> or maybe string[length]
2016-12-13T15:27:35 < c10ud^^> char *newstr = &str[atlen]
2016-12-13T15:28:12 < kakimir> do I need to initialize new string variable?
2016-12-13T15:28:37 < c10ud^^> nope, I just added it for better explanation
2016-12-13T15:28:37 < kakimir> if I want to keep it inside snprintf parameters?
2016-12-13T15:29:03 < c10ud^^> beware of nul-terminations tho, not sure how you're going to handle them
2016-12-13T15:29:16 < kakimir> so isn't it that [length] progresses the pointer by size of pointed type?
2016-12-13T15:29:29 < jpa-> null terminations will work fine, what will fail is keeping track of the remaining available length
2016-12-13T15:29:42 < c10ud^^> probably the better answer is: are you really sure you want to do what? probably there's a better way..
2016-12-13T15:30:16 < kakimir> jpa-: I don't care about null terminations, I trust in counting
2016-12-13T15:32:05 < kakimir> also I have place where to continue in multi step string process rigth at hand
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2016-12-13T15:33:07 < c10ud^^> can't you just, i.e. snprintf(string, "%d crap. %s", val, other_str); single pass?
2016-12-13T15:33:36 < kakimir> there is no other string parts yet
2016-12-13T15:33:38 < c10ud^^> forgot the max_len param, but you get the idea
2016-12-13T15:33:54 < kakimir> and I would need to store a pile of strings for no good reason
2016-12-13T15:34:17 < Steffanx> And your counting cant fail kakimir?
2016-12-13T15:34:25 < kakimir> it can
2016-12-13T15:34:34 < kakimir> and I will notice it and fix it
2016-12-13T15:34:51 < kakimir> maybe
2016-12-13T15:34:57 < Steffanx> And not when null terminating fails?
2016-12-13T15:35:34 < c10ud^^> as far as I see snprintf should protect from failing the nul thing
2016-12-13T15:35:37 < jpa-> you'll just happily go buffer overflowing and some hacker will ROP you
2016-12-13T15:35:49 < jpa-> c10ud^^: yeah, when used properly :P
2016-12-13T15:35:53 < c10ud^^> unless you fuck it badly ofc
2016-12-13T15:35:55 < kakimir> you are asking if my code would fail or could you make it fail another way?
2016-12-13T15:36:06 < kakimir> codes will fail
2016-12-13T15:36:12 < jpa-> current_len += snprintf(string + current_len, sizeof(string) - current_len, ...);  will fail in funny ways :P
2016-12-13T15:36:46 < c10ud^^> strlen() pls
2016-12-13T15:36:47 < kakimir> len -= snprintf
2016-12-13T15:37:32 < c10ud^^> sizeof(string) == 4 most likely
2016-12-13T15:37:53 < jpa-> all great people allocate strings on stack
2016-12-13T15:38:01 < kakimir> I have downwards counting length
2016-12-13T15:38:03 < jpa-> kakimir: that will fail equally well
2016-12-13T15:38:12 < kakimir> from initial length
2016-12-13T15:38:24 < jpa-> (hint: look at snprintf() return value in error cases)
2016-12-13T15:38:38 < kakimir> negative I know
2016-12-13T15:38:50 < kakimir> I have it covered
2016-12-13T15:39:16 < kakimir> with dual len variables
2016-12-13T15:39:19 < c10ud^^> got it <prints hidden keys>
2016-12-13T15:39:26 < c10ud^^> ;)
2016-12-13T15:39:52 < jpa-> kakimir: nope, not negative
2016-12-13T15:40:38 < kakimir> If an encoding error occurs, a negative number is returned.
2016-12-13T15:41:03 < kakimir> Notice that only when this returned value is non-negative and less than n, the string has been completely written.
2016-12-13T15:41:19 < kakimir> what condition it could be more than n
2016-12-13T15:41:30 < jpa-> when it would take more space than is available
2016-12-13T15:41:37 < kakimir> oh it can be n
2016-12-13T15:41:41 < kakimir> when it runs out
2016-12-13T15:41:43 < jpa-> it can be larger than n also
2016-12-13T15:41:57 < kakimir> it doesn't check that shiet?
2016-12-13T15:42:10 < kakimir> interesting
2016-12-13T15:42:16 < jpa-> no, it is by design
2016-12-13T15:42:28 < jpa-> so that you get info about how much space it would have required
2016-12-13T15:43:02 < kakimir> okay
2016-12-13T15:43:09 < kakimir> well it's not the issue here
2016-12-13T15:43:35 < kakimir> I need to progress my string pointer
2016-12-13T15:44:10 < kakimir> and isn't lenght in size_t ? I don't see what sizeof is doing there
2016-12-13T15:44:28 < kakimir> its per char
2016-12-13T15:44:51 < jpa-> you can read "sizeof(string)" as "max_len" if the allocation is not local
2016-12-13T15:45:33 < kakimir> I don't use sizeof
2016-12-13T15:46:37 < kakimir> maybe my string type needs a one more variable for counting where the end of string is
2016-12-13T15:47:11 < jpa-> maybe you need std::string
2016-12-13T15:47:26 < kakimir> I don't do that mess
2016-12-13T15:48:03 < kakimir> I think I will pass C++
2016-12-13T15:48:17 < kakimir> do C# if I need a next language
2016-12-13T15:51:27 < kakimir> can macros be used for identical blocks of code across the function?
2016-12-13T15:51:33 < kakimir> not singleliners
2016-12-13T15:53:44 < kakimir> multiline macro definition
2016-12-13T15:55:46 < kakimir> \
2016-12-13T15:55:52 < kakimir> okay
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2016-12-13T16:02:03 < kakimir> so isn't it just &string[origlen-len] what I'm looking for?
2016-12-13T16:04:44 < jpa-> most likely not
2016-12-13T16:05:22 < kakimir> looks not good
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2016-12-13T16:11:44 < kakimir> string+(sizeof(char)*(origlen-len))
2016-12-13T16:11:56 < kakimir> ?
2016-12-13T16:12:24 < kakimir> no sizeof char just returns 1 or so
2016-12-13T16:15:56 < c10ud^^> I think what you want is &string[origlen-strlen(string)], just make sure it will be valid..
2016-12-13T16:16:27 < c10ud^^> but that doesn't make sense 
2016-12-13T16:17:03 < c10ud^^> if strlen(string) is i.e. 7 and origlen = 10 then you will have &string[3] hence overwriting already-written data
2016-12-13T16:21:25 < Tectu> +1 for using C++
2016-12-13T16:39:57 < kakimir> i still yse size_t variable for the string length
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2016-12-13T17:08:14 < kakimir> so isn't the right answer string+(char *)(origlen-len)
2016-12-13T17:08:53 < kakimir> string+(char *)(origlen-leftlen)
2016-12-13T17:11:58 < kakimir> type casting to char pointer type
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2016-12-13T17:45:02 < kakimir> 	if (length < 1) {			//Ran out of string
2016-12-13T17:45:02 < kakimir> 		return (-2);			//Return error
2016-12-13T17:45:11 < kakimir> whoops
2016-12-13T17:45:21 < kakimir> https://soundcloud.com/subtroniq/subtroniq-sorcerer music times
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2016-12-13T17:50:12 < kakimir> visual studio per block search is pretty nice
2016-12-13T17:50:42 < kakimir> I don't remember if eclipce had per block search and stuff
2016-12-13T17:55:38 < kakimir> my friend said that &string[progress] and string+progress both are okay
2016-12-13T17:55:49 < kakimir> and I don't need to cast
2016-12-13T17:56:14 < kakimir> I just want to do the most okay way
2016-12-13T17:57:26 < kakimir> i think it might be with casting
2016-12-13T17:58:56 < kakimir> okay it didn't accept casting
2016-12-13T17:59:16 < kakimir> enum or integer type only
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2016-12-13T18:04:52 < englishman> hmm
2016-12-13T18:04:53 < englishman> http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon
2016-12-13T18:06:25 < kakimir> what is it?
2016-12-13T18:06:34 < englishman> amd above $10
2016-12-13T18:06:45 < englishman> think il buy puts
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2016-12-13T18:07:18 < kakimir> have they been able to create a processor that isn't actually as primary function an electric stove
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2016-12-13T18:13:02 < englishman> claimed 95W tdp vs intel's equivalent cpu at 130W
2016-12-13T18:13:32 < englishman> place your bets, i bet $AMD will drop 15-25% tomorrow
2016-12-13T18:16:09 < BrainDamage> wouldn't it better to express your bet by selling short?
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2016-12-13T18:16:50 < kakimir> BrainDamage has a point - again
2016-12-13T18:17:10 < kakimir> sharpest one around but still BrainDamage 
2016-12-13T18:17:36 < englishman> $10 puts are like 10c
2016-12-13T18:19:12 < karlp> what's the difference between buying puts and selling shorts?
2016-12-13T18:19:29 < englishman> lol, many long novels about this
2016-12-13T18:19:50 < karlp> is it just about whtehre you have to find the buyer/sucker before or after the event?
2016-12-13T18:20:00 < englishman> options mean you don't actually have to buy/sell the stock
2016-12-13T18:20:07 < englishman> so your exposure can be much lower
2016-12-13T18:21:08 < englishman> example
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2016-12-13T18:21:35 < englishman> i short at $10.5 it goes to $9.5 i made $1
2016-12-13T18:21:55 < englishman> buy option at $10 for .1 it goes to $9.5 i made .4
2016-12-13T18:21:55 < englishman> but
2016-12-13T18:22:03 < englishman> i only spent .1 to make that bet
2016-12-13T18:22:16 < englishman> so my return is 400% instead of 10%
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2016-12-13T19:01:17 < Laurenceb> wtf is going on
2016-12-13T19:01:28 < Laurenceb> I have a root ssh connection from 221.194.47.224
2016-12-13T19:01:44 < Laurenceb> China Unicom Liaoning
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2016-12-13T19:02:11 < englishman> ur prnt
2016-12-13T19:02:19 < Laurenceb> http://bannedhackersips.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/fail2ban-ssh-banned-1211823898-from_22.html
2016-12-13T19:02:22 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2016-12-13T19:02:23 < englishman> *pwnt
2016-12-13T19:02:41 < Laurenceb> tcp        0      0 128.243.75.1:22         121.18.238.98:38875     ESTABLISHED 14731/sshd: root [p
2016-12-13T19:03:16 < englishman> dude
2016-12-13T19:03:18 < englishman> open port 22
2016-12-13T19:03:22 < englishman> root access
2016-12-13T19:03:28 < englishman> bend over and spreadem
2016-12-13T19:03:36 < englishman> lemme guess, password too
2016-12-13T19:03:41 < englishman> and its 'password'
2016-12-13T19:04:23 < Laurenceb> not that I'm aware of
2016-12-13T19:06:26 < Laurenceb> hmm looks like they were connecting and disconnecting
2016-12-13T19:06:27 < Laurenceb> weird
2016-12-13T19:13:38 < Steffanx> ssh: connect to host 221.194.47.224 port 22: Connection refused wh
2016-12-13T19:13:40 < Steffanx> ah
2016-12-13T19:23:16 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgtc.com/x6bJNEm.png
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2016-12-13T20:27:31 < aandrew> Laurenceb: haha
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2016-12-13T20:53:50 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/menkampf/
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2016-12-13T22:26:34 < kakimir> what device laurenceb?
2016-12-13T22:27:41 < kakimir> i have some skript that bans ips that fail to provide right username and password
2016-12-13T22:28:02 < kakimir> and 3 trys for a password
2016-12-13T22:28:25 < kakimir> and ban every root login
2016-12-13T22:28:34 < kakimir> at first try
2016-12-13T22:28:36 < Steffanx> fail2ban ?
2016-12-13T22:28:43 < kakimir> yes
2016-12-13T22:30:10 < ReadErr> I have a script that shitlist entire countries 
2016-12-13T22:30:41 < ReadErr> why even let them cop a feel or get a sniff
2016-12-13T22:30:49 < kakimir> http://koti.kapsi.fi/~jahonen/Electronics/Labran%20pistorasiat/rasiat_1.jpg my guru upped the game
2016-12-13T22:31:59 < kakimir> I'm at 8 to desk
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2016-12-13T22:44:13 < englishman> way better than sma connectors imo
2016-12-13T22:47:24 < zyp> huh, I didn't know they came with six outlets
2016-12-13T22:48:13 < zyp> I installed a fair number of the quads when I worked as an electrician, but I've never seen them with six
2016-12-13T23:07:44 < ohsix> ReadErr: https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/808718180277485572 vox is gr8
2016-12-13T23:08:33 < ohsix> ReadErr: they're helping people understand the news
2016-12-13T23:10:12 < ohsix> huhuh fail2ban, that gives me an idea; people have probably already done it though, accept the logins from random usernames, log what they then do
2016-12-13T23:10:50 < ohsix> not to real shell, not even with a real sshd, just let em in to dump what they wanted to, to see what it is; get some more info about which ip is doing what stuff
2016-12-13T23:11:30 < zyp> ohsix, the word you're looking for is honeypot
2016-12-13T23:11:32 < ReadErr> honeypot
2016-12-13T23:11:34 < ReadErr> yes
2016-12-13T23:11:43 < ohsix> i know
2016-12-13T23:12:06 < ohsix> whenever ssh hammering comes up people just mention fail2ban
2016-12-13T23:12:34 < ohsix> you could just 'accept' the first connection but have it go nowhere, then you send a false positive to the scanner and make more work for them
2016-12-13T23:12:54 < Steffanx> useless, as its all automatic crap anyway.
2016-12-13T23:13:36 < ohsix> heheh
2016-12-13T23:13:37 < ohsix> k
2016-12-13T23:16:29 < ohsix> at least you get more information to correlate the different attempts
2016-12-13T23:16:48 < ohsix> you could cluster them and do reporting, age out ips not participating anymore
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2016-12-13T23:32:02 < bvernoux> does anyone have checked the http://www.gigadevice.com news ?
2016-12-13T23:32:10 < bvernoux> now they are producing STM32F2 & F4 ;)
2016-12-13T23:32:12 < zyp> what news?
2016-12-13T23:32:21 < bvernoux> thye are producing STM32 clone
2016-12-13T23:32:28 < zyp> you mean GD32F2 and GD32F4?
2016-12-13T23:32:31 < bvernoux> yes
2016-12-13T23:32:39 < bvernoux> the GD32F4 are new
2016-12-13T23:32:50 < bvernoux> even the GD32F405RGT too fun
2016-12-13T23:32:56 < bvernoux> as the price are crazy at ST
2016-12-13T23:33:13 < englishman> how so?
2016-12-13T23:33:21 < englishman> $4.5 for singles of f405 seems ok to me
2016-12-13T23:33:35 < englishman> when i got quotes for gd32f1 it was about the same price as f1
2016-12-13T23:33:37 < bvernoux> englishman, 4.5USD for f405 ?
2016-12-13T23:33:39 < englishman> yes
2016-12-13T23:33:41 < bvernoux> by 10kunits ;)
2016-12-13T23:33:44 < englishman> singles
2016-12-13T23:34:25 < bvernoux> where ?
2016-12-13T23:34:39 < bvernoux> STM32F405RGT ?
2016-12-13T23:34:47 < bvernoux> price start at 9USD ...
2016-12-13T23:34:59 < bvernoux> AVNET 7.8USD
2016-12-13T23:35:39 < bvernoux> so I think we do not speak of same chipset
2016-12-13T23:36:22 < bvernoux> STM32F405RGT is 20USD at Farnell what a joke
2016-12-13T23:36:28 < bvernoux> 20.65USD ;)
2016-12-13T23:36:44 < bvernoux> the price of a CortexA72 ;)
2016-12-13T23:37:27 < zyp> just because farnell wants $20 for it doesn't mean others won't sell it for less
2016-12-13T23:37:40 < bvernoux> yes but the cheapest is AVNET
2016-12-13T23:37:47 < bvernoux> but common price is around 9USD
2016-12-13T23:37:53 < englishman> just dont pay white people
2016-12-13T23:37:54 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/totally-not-clones/32732376959.html
2016-12-13T23:37:54 < zyp> I think $4.5 is about the price I got quoted last I asked too
2016-12-13T23:37:55 < bvernoux> we are far from 4.5USD
2016-12-13T23:37:56 < ohsix> cheapest is not a simple question
2016-12-13T23:37:56 < englishman> 1st result
2016-12-13T23:38:15 < bvernoux> haha aliexpress ok ;)
2016-12-13T23:38:18 < bvernoux> fake stuff
2016-12-13T23:38:26 < ohsix> or are they
2016-12-13T23:38:29 < zyp> 22:38:18 < bvernoux> fake stuff
2016-12-13T23:38:36 < zyp> says the guy who buys GD32
2016-12-13T23:38:41 < ohsix> i wasn't going to point out he was talking about gigadevices
2016-12-13T23:38:41 < bvernoux> I never buy anything at aliexpresss
2016-12-13T23:38:58 < bvernoux> zyp, GD32 are interesting as they are licensed by ARM and have an agreement with ST
2016-12-13T23:39:06 < ohsix> do they?
2016-12-13T23:39:06 < bvernoux> zyp, it is not fake
2016-12-13T23:39:22 < ohsix> how do you fake an st device
2016-12-13T23:39:28 < Thorn> agreement to produce clones?
2016-12-13T23:39:37 < ohsix> you do what gigadevices is actually doing
2016-12-13T23:39:37 < bvernoux> ohsix, ask that to chinese manufacturer ;)
2016-12-13T23:39:45 < bvernoux> ohsix, they fake anything now
2016-12-13T23:39:45 < Thorn> also they need license from synopsys
2016-12-13T23:40:02 < Thorn> or multiple licenses, for usb and ethernet
2016-12-13T23:40:10 < bvernoux> I suspect GD32 do that for other market
2016-12-13T23:40:13 < bvernoux> mainly chinese
2016-12-13T23:40:22 < bvernoux> as ST cannot sell their chip ...
2016-12-13T23:40:47 < bvernoux> the most funny is on STM32F4 they are 200Mhz version ;)
2016-12-13T23:40:54 < bvernoux> when ST provide 168MHz version
2016-12-13T23:41:09 < ohsix> they don't have the same power constraints
2016-12-13T23:41:23 < bvernoux> also the GD32F1 => 102MHz 0 wait state in flash better than ST ...
2016-12-13T23:41:25 < ohsix> their position is offering more flash and stuff to people who are already using the st device, and power isn't relevant
2016-12-13T23:41:54 < bvernoux> yes spec are a bit different on some points
2016-12-13T23:42:07 < bvernoux> but they are fully compatible with ST ;)
2016-12-13T23:42:18 < bvernoux> even olimex have tested it
2016-12-13T23:42:26 < bvernoux> replacing a STM32F1 by a GD32F1
2016-12-13T23:42:51 < zyp> doesn't GD32 use some non-XIP flash that's loaded into sram on bootup, hence no waitstates?
2016-12-13T23:42:58 < Thorn> bug for bug compatible including i2c and all errata items?
2016-12-13T23:43:16 < bvernoux> zyp, no idea ... but anyway it will be expensive to have all that SRAM ...
2016-12-13T23:43:22 < bvernoux> SRAM is way more expensive than flash
2016-12-13T23:43:39 < zyp> http://zeptobars.com/en/read/GD32F103CBT6-mcm-serial-flash-Giga-Devices
2016-12-13T23:43:50 < bvernoux> the die is not the same ;)
2016-12-13T23:44:11 < bvernoux> it is not clone in fact
2016-12-13T23:44:33 < zyp> of course it's not the same, hence different memory topology
2016-12-13T23:45:34 < englishman> ive never received any fake stuff from aliexpress
2016-12-13T23:45:44 < englishman> but continue to buy $20 stm32f405 if it makes you feel good
2016-12-13T23:45:56 < englishman> admittedly farnell probably wont ship them to you taped to cardboard
2016-12-13T23:46:18 < bvernoux> englishman, when I ask my manufacturer to do things I do not ask to buy at aliexpress ;)
2016-12-13T23:46:24 < bvernoux> I want some warranty
2016-12-13T23:46:39 < bvernoux> so they are bought to official dealers
2016-12-13T23:46:51 < englishman> yes, so they are $20
2016-12-13T23:46:54 < englishman> from white people
2016-12-13T23:46:55 < bvernoux> pff
2016-12-13T23:46:59 < zyp> the trick isn't to buy from aliexpress, the trick is to buy from where the aliexpress sellers buys from
2016-12-13T23:47:05 < bvernoux> they are not at 4.5USD
2016-12-13T23:47:13 < englishman> do any white people sell GD
2016-12-13T23:47:19 < Thorn> I ordered 100 MBI5024GP from the cheapest seller at aliexpress
2016-12-13T23:47:24 < bvernoux> anyway I have never tested GD32
2016-12-13T23:47:32 < bvernoux> I use only official STM32
2016-12-13T23:47:50 < zyp> so you're praising something you don't even have any experience with?
2016-12-13T23:48:12 < bvernoux> the GD32F4 are too new
2016-12-13T23:48:22 < bvernoux> they have appeared only this month
2016-12-13T23:48:33 < bvernoux> could be fun to test the GD32F405.
2016-12-13T23:48:37 < englishman> excellent product page http://www.gigadevice.com/product-category/29.html?locale=en_US
2016-12-13T23:49:01 < zyp> doesn't even load here
2016-12-13T23:49:21 < ohsix> bvernoux: if it's not a clone then why are you even talking about st's parts?
2016-12-13T23:49:41 < bvernoux> ohsix, just because it is interesting
2016-12-13T23:49:48 < ohsix> ic
2016-12-13T23:50:04 < bvernoux> I do not plan to switch to GD32 ;)
2016-12-13T23:50:14 < bvernoux> even if the STM32 are very expensive 
2016-12-13T23:50:19 < ohsix> well, i think it's safe to say everyone knew already and they're just reacting to how you started talking about it :p
2016-12-13T23:53:05 < zyp> bvernoux, so what kind of warranty do you need that warrants paying $20 rather than $5 for a chip?
2016-12-13T23:53:28 < bvernoux> 20USD is not the normal price ;)
2016-12-13T23:53:46 < zyp> then why do you use it as an argument?
2016-12-13T23:53:49 < bvernoux> something normal to a normal reseller by low quantity < 10 is 7 or 8USD
2016-12-13T23:53:53 < bvernoux> not 20
2016-12-13T23:54:06 < bvernoux> warranty is about fake or defectuous chipset
2016-12-13T23:54:17 < bvernoux> ask a refund on aliexpress ;)
2016-12-13T23:54:29 < bvernoux> or an exchange
2016-12-13T23:55:13 < bvernoux> anyway I will not take this risk to things I sell
2016-12-13T23:55:25 < bvernoux> I want to be sure all is perfect
2016-12-13T23:55:35 < bvernoux> it is why I have 0 defect on board sold so far
2016-12-13T23:55:37 < zyp> you don't test your products before you sell them?
2016-12-13T23:56:10 < bvernoux> do you test them at -40°C and +80°C ;)
2016-12-13T23:56:23 < bvernoux> or do you test flash endurance ...
2016-12-13T23:56:36 < bvernoux> and lot of things like that which can fail miserably if they are fake
2016-12-13T23:56:42 < bvernoux> even if they can pass all test
2016-12-13T23:56:56 < bvernoux> but after flashing them 5 times they are faulty ...
2016-12-13T23:57:24 < bvernoux> also for LDO it is crazy
2016-12-13T23:57:27 < bvernoux> they are working
2016-12-13T23:57:32 < bvernoux> but with lot of noise ...
2016-12-13T23:57:48 < bvernoux> one time on a big production we have received some TI LDO which was fake
2016-12-13T23:57:52 < zyp> uh
2016-12-13T23:57:59 < bvernoux> from official reseller
2016-12-13T23:58:11 < zyp> you're comparing LDOs to microcontrollers?
2016-12-13T23:58:17 < bvernoux> they failed the tests of course as it was for SDR ;)
2016-12-13T23:58:21 < bvernoux> and we check all
2016-12-13T23:58:33 < bvernoux> for MCU it is even worse ;)
2016-12-13T23:58:42 < bvernoux> especially for flash ...
2016-12-13T23:58:56 < bvernoux> fake can be just EEPROM ;)
2016-12-13T23:58:59 < zyp> LDOs are simple as fuck, easy to design and make
2016-12-13T23:59:01 < bvernoux> flash it one time haha
2016-12-13T23:59:04 < englishman> my ldos all have shitty flash
2016-12-13T23:59:22 < bvernoux> yes MCU are harder to clone
2016-12-13T23:59:46 < bvernoux> but things like STM32 are sold by billions so there is some clone
2016-12-13T23:59:57 < bvernoux> as there is lot of money to win for cloner ...
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2016-12-14T00:00:13 < zyp> when you buy fake MCUs, you get a package with convincing-looking marking, but usually that's where the similarities stop
2016-12-14T00:00:17 < bvernoux> the manufacturing is basic => 110nm
2016-12-14T00:00:23 < bvernoux> and profit huge
2016-12-14T00:00:40 < zyp> usually it's a dumb slab or some random other die inside
2016-12-14T00:00:47 < bvernoux> it is not the same story for 22nm or less I imagine as it is even more complex to clone
2016-12-14T00:01:06 < bvernoux> yes for very bad fake it is a non working things ;)
2016-12-14T00:01:18 < bvernoux> just metal layer packaged ;)
2016-12-14T00:01:21 < zyp> why clone a MCU design when you can just remark some random leftover shit in the same package that you've got?
2016-12-14T00:01:52 < bvernoux> because things become more and more vicious
2016-12-14T00:02:29 < bvernoux> GD32 is one example of "clone" 
2016-12-14T00:02:56 < bvernoux> except they are not calling it STM32
2016-12-14T00:03:07 < bvernoux> and it seems the work is well done
2016-12-14T00:03:16 < bvernoux> even better than the original for flash access ;)
2016-12-14T00:03:44 < zyp> did you miss the part where it was a slow serial flash inside?
2016-12-14T00:04:19 < englishman> yes its only zero wait state for the prefetched instructions
2016-12-14T00:05:17 < bvernoux> it is the same on STM32
2016-12-14T00:05:28 < bvernoux> especially on freq > 80Mhz
2016-12-14T00:05:38 < englishman> stm32 has nor flash glued on top and goldwired to the mcu?
2016-12-14T00:05:45 < bvernoux> yes ;)
2016-12-14T00:05:55 < zyp> no.
2016-12-14T00:05:57 < bvernoux> I doubt it is the case for the GD32F4
2016-12-14T00:06:05 < bvernoux> will be interesting to see a decapped version
2016-12-14T00:06:18 < zyp> why would you doubt it?
2016-12-14T00:06:31 < bvernoux> With this SRAM mirroring it is not surprising that GD32 is beating STM32 in performance even on the same frequency and loosing in idle & sleep power consumption. Consumption at full load is lower than STM32 due to better (smaller) manufacturing technology.
2016-12-14T00:06:34 < englishman> how much money are you willing to put on this
2016-12-14T00:06:39 < zyp> that's how they got the speed increase for the F1, why would it be any different for the F4?
2016-12-14T00:06:50 < englishman> what if i showed you a pic of decapped gd32f1
2016-12-14T00:06:55 < englishman> would you gimme  $100?
2016-12-14T00:07:07 < zyp> englishman, I already posted the zeptobars link earlier
2016-12-14T00:07:13 < englishman> if it has flash glued on and goldwired
2016-12-14T00:07:17 < englishman> stfu zyp im about to make $100
2016-12-14T00:07:22 < bvernoux> this one was from 2012
2016-12-14T00:07:27 < bvernoux> now we are in 2016 ;)
2016-12-14T00:08:30 < Thorn> is there any more or less accepted format for packet telemetry that would be easy to implement in a basic way?
2016-12-14T00:08:49 < zyp> Thorn, in what sense?
2016-12-14T00:10:06 < Thorn> say I have multiple parameters that are updated at different rates plus some bulk data and I want to pack it all into packets/frames sent at regular intervals
2016-12-14T00:10:29 < bvernoux> Thorn, use slip frame ;)
2016-12-14T00:10:47 < zyp> Thorn, sent over what?
2016-12-14T00:11:24 < Thorn> tcp connection, serial, usb, udp datagrams, in ethernet frames, anything
2016-12-14T00:12:41 < zyp> I'd say that if the underlying transport already includes framing, utilize that
2016-12-14T00:13:25 < zyp> if it's a bytestream like serial or tcp, add a framing layer
2016-12-14T00:13:32 < Thorn> I'm thinking about using HDLC like framing over serial type connections
2016-12-14T00:14:10 < zyp> not familiar with HDLC framing, how does that work?
2016-12-14T00:15:26 < Thorn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Level_Data_Link_Control#Asynchronous_framing magic byte for frame boundary + byte stuffing to avoid the magic value in the middle of a frame
2016-12-14T00:16:03 < bvernoux> HDLC is heavy vs SLIP
2016-12-14T00:16:08 < zyp> ah, that's same as SLIP framing
2016-12-14T00:16:22 < Thorn> I don't want full HDLC
2016-12-14T00:18:00 < zyp> there's basically two ways of doing framing on top of a bytestream; frame delimiter tokens like SLIP, and frame headers with a length field
2016-12-14T00:19:23 < zyp> the latter often needs delimiter tokens anyway so you can recover from a desync, and frame length gets restricted by the max value of the frame length field
2016-12-14T00:20:58 < zyp> even text based serial protocols is a variation of that, with line break being the delimiter token
2016-12-14T00:23:57 < Thorn> frame structure is the most interesting part
2016-12-14T00:24:40 < zyp> once you have a framing layer in place, just put whatever you want into it
2016-12-14T00:25:31 < zyp> start with a frame type if you'll have several, end with a checksum if you don't trust your transport
2016-12-14T00:25:32 < Thorn> I've been reading the datasheed for the IMU that crashed on Mars, they have parameters at fixed offsets, some are present every other frame or so
2016-12-14T00:26:16 < zyp> somebody here suggested using protobuf to pack data when I were talking about something similar a few years ago
2016-12-14T00:27:14 < zyp> seems like a fairly decent way of handling it
2016-12-14T00:28:03 < bvernoux> protobuf have impact on performances ...
2016-12-14T00:28:13 < zyp> well, duh
2016-12-14T00:28:18 < bvernoux> especially for a poor MCU anyway it depends on how many data there is ...
2016-12-14T00:29:11 < bvernoux> yes some experiment have proven that
2016-12-14T00:29:18 < bvernoux> comparing one system with and without ...
2016-12-14T00:29:32 < bvernoux> especially when there is lot of data to send regularly
2016-12-14T00:29:35 < zyp> for high level stuff I'd suggest json, but I wouldn't use a text based format on a mcu
2016-12-14T00:30:45 < zyp> AFAIK protobuf compiles to fairly specific code for what you want to do, so I wouldn't think the impact would matter much
2016-12-14T00:30:50 < bvernoux> https://google.github.io/flatbuffers/flatbuffers_benchmarks.html
2016-12-14T00:30:51 < zyp> jpa-, what do you say?
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2016-12-14T00:31:20 < bvernoux> FlatBuffers seems not too bad but I have never tested it
2016-12-14T00:31:35 < bvernoux> it is not far to raw structs ...
2016-12-14T00:31:45 < zyp> bvernoux, you like talking about stuff you don't have any experience with :)
2016-12-14T00:32:02 < bvernoux> I have exprience with protobuf ;)
2016-12-14T00:32:10 < bvernoux> and it is not a good solution for MCU ;)
2016-12-14T00:32:23 < bvernoux> even if the concept if very interesting and powerful
2016-12-14T00:32:36 < zyp> keep in mind that protobuf is a language and a format with multiple implementations
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2016-12-14T00:33:30 < zyp> e.g. https://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/nanopb/
2016-12-14T00:33:40 < zyp> which is why I'd like jpa- to comment on performance
2016-12-14T00:33:46 < bvernoux> yes it heavily depends on implementation
2016-12-14T00:35:14 < Thorn> ccsds packet telemetry is interesting but very complex e.g. http://microelectronics.esa.int/vhdl/pss/PSS-04-106.pdf
2016-12-14T00:37:17 < Kliment> If I need to transfer data between two F4s at a fairly high speed (bursts of 30Mbps) what is the best interface to us
2016-12-14T00:37:22 < Kliment> e?
2016-12-14T00:37:52 < zyp> RMII? :)
2016-12-14T00:38:21 < Kliment> zyp: Seriously? Doesn't that have a fair bit of stuff it needs implemented around it to work?
2016-12-14T00:40:00 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTZGdZS7EnU music times - swedish pop
2016-12-14T00:40:04 < zyp> I guess you'd have to generate the 50MHz clock somehow, but apart from that I think you can just crossover wire the RMII bus, and then you've got a MAC with DMA that'll do all the framing and stuff for you
2016-12-14T00:41:27 < zyp> HS USB would be theoretically even faster, but I don't think you can wire ULPI directly without PHYs in between
2016-12-14T00:44:51 < Kliment> Ideally I'd use something like SPI with multiple lanes
2016-12-14T00:45:17 < Kliment> But RMII is an interesting idea I hadn't considered
2016-12-14T00:45:18 < zyp> in other words qspi?
2016-12-14T00:45:21 < Thorn> is there no qspi in f4?
2016-12-14T00:45:26 < zyp> newer f4s got qspi
2016-12-14T00:45:49 < zyp> but it seems to be fairly geared towards qspi flash, that can be memory mapped and whatnot
2016-12-14T00:46:10 < Kliment> Yeah, qspi. Is it possible to use between MCUs?
2016-12-14T00:46:19 < zyp> but I guess it should be possible to use it directly as well
2016-12-14T00:46:46 < zyp> Kliment, I have no idea :)
2016-12-14T00:47:52 < Kliment> zyp: Know of anyone who has done the crossed RMII thing?
2016-12-14T00:48:04 < Thorn> I guess it boils down to whether qspi supports slave mode
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2016-12-14T00:50:43 < zyp> Kliment, http://www.jsykora.info/2016/01/connecting-mcu-and-fpga-at-100mbits-using-ethernet-rmii-part-1/ <- here, for instance
2016-12-14T00:51:38 < Kliment> nice, thanks
2016-12-14T00:55:25 < Kliment> zyp: So 50MHz clock, which is shared between MCUs
2016-12-14T00:55:42 < zyp> yep
2016-12-14T00:55:47 < Kliment> zyp: Anything exciting about routing RMII?
2016-12-14T00:57:53 < zyp> not more than any other 50MHz signal
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2016-12-14T00:59:56 < Kliment> Cool, thanks, this makes the project far simpler
2016-12-14T01:03:30 < zyp> hmm, now I wish that was an option for connecting the stm32 to an edison
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2016-12-14T01:21:30 < Kliment> Looks like qspi slave is not an option
2016-12-14T01:22:06 < TheSeven> Kliment: I've routed RMII over 2.54mm board to board headers without paying attention to anything and it works just fine
2016-12-14T01:22:22 < TheSeven> I've also used it over 20cm jumper wires, no issues either
2016-12-14T01:22:24 < Kliment> TheSeven: Thanks, that's good to know
2016-12-14T01:22:46 < Kliment> TheSeven: However, looks like I'll need more than two nodes
2016-12-14T01:24:42 < TheSeven> build a ring? ;)
2016-12-14T01:25:25 < Kliment> maybe, it's point to multipoint though
2016-12-14T01:25:53 < TheSeven> one source, multiple receivers?
2016-12-14T01:25:55 < Kliment> ring topology is a bit silly with a single sender
2016-12-14T01:25:56 < Kliment> yes
2016-12-14T01:26:06 < zyp> I got good news for you, ethernet is made for networks ;)
2016-12-14T01:26:11 < TheSeven> do you need *any* high-speed communication in the other direction?
2016-12-14T01:27:34 < TheSeven> you could either add a bunch of ethernet PHYs and actually build a little on-board LAN, or if you don't need any communication back the sender (or could do that via UART or whatever), hook up the RMII to multiple receivers directly
2016-12-14T01:28:11 < Kliment> I don't need anything in the other direction except a single interrupt line
2016-12-14T01:28:18 < zyp> yeah, send side and receive side is pretty much entirely independent
2016-12-14T01:28:26 < Kliment> Oh, that's amazing
2016-12-14T01:28:47 < TheSeven> yup, they just share the clock, which needs to be generated externally anyway
2016-12-14T01:28:51 < aandrew> yeah MII is a nice interface for that
2016-12-14T01:28:56 < TheSeven> (or maybe using MCO if you're cheating)
2016-12-14T01:28:57 < zyp> so at that point it's mostly a question of how much bus capacitance you can drive at 50MHz
2016-12-14T01:29:19 < TheSeven> actually for that kind of setup MII might be favorable over RMII due to lower frequencies
2016-12-14T01:29:26 < zyp> true
2016-12-14T01:29:40 < zyp> half the speed, twice the signals
2016-12-14T01:30:02 < TheSeven> still only like 5-6 lines though
2016-12-14T01:30:17 < Thorn> iirc some PHYs support some simple non-ethernet mode
2016-12-14T01:30:26 < Thorn> don't remember details
2016-12-14T01:30:38 < zyp> Thorn, eh, the phy shouldn't care
2016-12-14T01:33:15 < Thorn> why is using MCO = cheating?
2016-12-14T01:33:41 < TheSeven> I vaguely remember reading somewhere that it has too much jitter to get you a proper RMII clock
2016-12-14T01:33:52 < TheSeven> and only works half of the time or something like that ;)
2016-12-14T01:34:55 < Kliment> There is no PHY :)
2016-12-14T01:35:21 < zyp> that too :)
2016-12-14T01:38:45 < Kliment> Okay cool, I'll need to look into this option
2016-12-14T01:38:51 < Kliment> Thanks so much you guys
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2016-12-14T02:15:57 < ohsix> Kliment: LOOOOOOOOOOL abs sucks balls
2016-12-14T02:16:07 < ohsix> pla wasn't printing well so i stopped using it for a while, had shit to do
2016-12-14T02:16:16 < ohsix> just did some work to get it going again, everything looks great
2016-12-14T02:16:35 < ohsix> also i think i might need to try higher temps on the abs i've got
2016-12-14T02:16:39 < ohsix> i'm pro now
2016-12-14T02:17:23 < ohsix> i'm glad all that adjustment and stuff didn't literally go to waste
2016-12-14T02:26:11 < englishman> digikey isnt much better than aliexpress sometimes https://i.sli.mg/tsVM6i.jpg
2016-12-14T02:28:03 < ohsix> englishman: they got the right bag on it
2016-12-14T02:35:39 < __rob> i've had farnell send me a single 0804 resistor that was backordered in a 2ft box with bubble wrap
2016-12-14T02:35:56 < __rob> totally insane
2016-12-14T02:36:49 < __rob> all just standard packaging process I guess
2016-12-14T02:37:01 < zyp> it's pretty natural
2016-12-14T02:37:41 < zyp> the cost of overkill packaging for a few weird orders is probably a lot less than maintaining a separate packing process for those
2016-12-14T02:39:05 < BrainDamage> best one i got was from samples from maxim, tape, inside tube, inside a matrioska of 5 antistatic bags, antistatic foam padding, and a carboard box
2016-12-14T02:40:23 < zyp> my best was some SMPS chip I ordered from digikey, 5pcs each in it's own blue bag, the five bags rolled up inside another blue bag, inside a metal foil bag
2016-12-14T02:41:43 < zyp> I guess that's how they pack parts that they pick from a tray
2016-12-14T02:42:16 < zyp> just dropping them in the same bag probably risks the legs tangling and bending
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2016-12-14T04:23:11 < ReadErr> gdamnit Tectu
2016-12-14T04:23:13 < ReadErr> https://community.ugfx.io/files/file/7-stm32f401re-nucleo-ssd1306-chibios/
2016-12-14T04:23:20 < ReadErr> I dont want to register for his site to look at this shit
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2016-12-14T04:56:55 < upgrdman> anyone know how the fuck you extract a -154dBm signal?  https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/5i59sb/even_after_nearly_40_years_in_space_voyager_1_is/
2016-12-14T05:06:45 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/stTTk11.gifv
2016-12-14T05:08:29 < aandrew> upgrdman: actually if you know what you're looking for it's not terrible to find a needle in a haystack
2016-12-14T05:08:37 < aandrew> but the trick is of course, knowing exactly what you're looking for
2016-12-14T05:09:32 < aandrew> comment is accurate: GPS is below the noise floor as well
2016-12-14T05:10:19 < aandrew> huh, voyager's RTGs will die around 2025
2016-12-14T05:10:26 < aandrew> that's amazing and sad at the same time
2016-12-14T05:10:31 < upgrdman> but how?
2016-12-14T05:11:04 < aandrew> what do you mean?
2016-12-14T05:11:54 < aandrew> lol mensch on a bench
2016-12-14T05:12:13 < aandrew> http://themenschonabench.com/?v=3e8d115eb4b3
2016-12-14T05:12:19 < upgrdman> aandrew, even if you know what youre looking for, how to you pick it from below the noise floor
2016-12-14T05:12:58 < aandrew> upgrdman: read up on how GPS receivers pick up L1; you can filter out most of the noise becuase you know exactly what you're looking for
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2016-12-14T05:24:34 < upgrdman> lol  https://youtu.be/InlJXXsjhs0?t=51
2016-12-14T05:26:20 < jadew> that plane looks much nicer than what I normally fly with
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2016-12-14T05:39:14 < Kerr-A_> Just got some stm32 chips in LQFP64
2016-12-14T05:39:29 < Kerr-A_> They came loose, in a small zip-lock baggie.
2016-12-14T05:39:39 < Kerr-A_> Like, WHAT.
2016-12-14T05:40:08 < Kerr-A_> Regular envelope > Ziplock baggie > 10 chips, loose.
2016-12-14T05:45:07 < upgrdman> so i know that using accelerometers to determine position (integrating twice) is ~impossible, but is use accelerometers to measure velocity (integrating once) decent?
2016-12-14T05:45:36 < upgrdman> (cell phone quality accelerometers, im sure $$$$ ones could do it)
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2016-12-14T05:51:12 < ColdKeyboard> I'm looking at maniacbug's RF24 library for Arduino. Can someone explain what does this code do for example
2016-12-14T05:51:22 < ColdKeyboard> print_byte_register(PSTR("RX_PW_P0-6"),RX_PW_P0,6)
2016-12-14T05:51:29 < ColdKeyboard> PSTR is defined as this #define PSTR(x) (x)
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2016-12-14T05:59:17 < ohsix> snowmageddon
2016-12-14T05:59:25 < ohsix> everyone in oregon dies tomorrow
2016-12-14T06:00:07 < ohsix> upgrdman: you do'nt extract it you build a correlator
2016-12-14T06:00:47 < ohsix> o lul big dishes help too ;]
2016-12-14T06:01:39 < ohsix> haww 19:06 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/stTTk11.gifv
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2016-12-14T06:02:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, how would someone build a correlator
2016-12-14T06:02:36 < upgrdman> some phrase i should google?
2016-12-14T06:02:59 < ohsix> aandrew: lul i was hoping that was a joke going around about louise mensch
2016-12-14T06:04:48 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: those macros are typically used to put a string in a different section in the binary (eg a read only one, like flash) in your case it does nothing
2016-12-14T06:04:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: sec
2016-12-14T06:05:16 < ohsix> might not even be the right term, just how i think of it
2016-12-14T06:05:48 < ohsix> receiving l1, like aandrew said, will show you a few things
2016-12-14T06:06:47 < ohsix> what i'm thinking of specifically is using a pll/lo and 'predicting' where the signal will be, when you convolve them together they dtrt
2016-12-14T06:08:07 < ohsix> huh there seems to be a term of art too http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/C/Correlator
2016-12-14T06:10:29 < ohsix> yea i suck, don't know good way to convey the information
2016-12-14T06:12:24 < ohsix> this shit is all about analysis too, it's all really simpler looking when you actually do it
2016-12-14T06:12:26 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-correlation
2016-12-14T06:13:57 < ColdKeyboard> ohsix: So in this case, how would that be evaluated by the compiler?
2016-12-14T06:14:16 < ColdKeyboard> just like executing "RX_PW_P0-6"),RX_PW_P0,6 ? 
2016-12-14T06:14:34 < ColdKeyboard> sorry, evaluating "RX_PW_P0-6"
2016-12-14T06:17:27 < ohsix> upgrdman: heh now i want to make a clock that shows how far voyager is from earth
2016-12-14T06:17:41 < ohsix> there's a guys binary clock project in the lab, would be nerd one-upsmanship
2016-12-14T06:18:02 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: PSTR("foo") -> "foo"
2016-12-14T06:18:08 < ohsix> no evaluation, x replaces x
2016-12-14T06:19:00 < ColdKeyboard> So it won't do jack.
2016-12-14T06:19:08 < ColdKeyboard> Awesome :)
2016-12-14T06:19:19 < ohsix> not on your platform
2016-12-14T06:19:39 < ohsix> you can probably find the definition for the avr, it should put the string in a section that goes in flash
2016-12-14T06:21:13 < ohsix> http://www.atmel.com/webdoc/AVRLibcReferenceManual/group__avr__pgmspace_1ga05ca900ebf7cd121be73c654d9ccb3eb.html
2016-12-14T06:21:30 < ohsix> https://www.arduino.cc/en/Reference/PROGMEM
2016-12-14T06:23:00 < ColdKeyboard> Awesome. thanks!
2016-12-14T06:23:49 < ohsix> upgrdman: heh, sad there's a schedule of instruments they'er turning off due to lack of power, camera happened relatively early
2016-12-14T06:24:06 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-14T06:25:06 < ohsix> life affirming, even machines run out of energy in the time span of a life well lived
2016-12-14T06:25:25 < ohsix> also carl sagan was awesome
2016-12-14T06:27:15 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/6m2cF
2016-12-14T06:29:17 < ohsix> was lurkign in lab when a meeting was going on
2016-12-14T06:29:33 < ohsix> ndas were mentioned but it sounds like i might get more interesting junk to do
2016-12-14T06:29:50 < ohsix> the shit people can't do themselves is laughable :D
2016-12-14T06:29:56 < ohsix> we are gods to themmmm
2016-12-14T06:31:44 < ohsix> The initial observations, which were made on February 21, placed Voyager very near, but not precisely at its predicted location. The difference was a few tenths of an arcsecond. An arcsecond is the apparent size of a penny as seen from 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) away. The second observations on June 1 produced similar results.
2016-12-14T06:31:55 < ohsix> lul that description of arc second seems like a joke
2016-12-14T06:33:01 < ohsix> Voyager’s main transmitter shines at a feeble 22 watts, which is comparable to a car-mounted police radio or — in visible light — a refrigerator light bulb. Though incredibly weak by the standards of modern wireless communications, Voyager’s signal is astoundingly bright when compared to most natural objects studied by radio telescopes.
2016-12-14T06:33:22 < ohsix> i guess the interesting thing when these arrays found it a few years ago, is how quickly it happened, not that it could be done
2016-12-14T06:33:28 < ohsix> and 1 second is pretty great
2016-12-14T06:33:34 < ohsix> http://www.amateurradio.com/at-522000000-miles-per-watt-voyager-1-might-be-the-ultimate-in-qrp/
2016-12-14T06:34:36 < ohsix> hm some radio amateurs did it in 2006 with a 20 meter antenna
2016-12-14T06:37:31 < ohsix> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/BLOG/Entries/2007/3/25_Voyager_1_Received_Using_SDR-IQ_Receiver_files/voyager_amsat07.pdf it's all german
2016-12-14T06:41:01 < ohsix> k enough of that, huhu
2016-12-14T06:41:19 < ohsix> it is interesting to try and do, but the impression that i get is that it is really far from impossible
2016-12-14T06:42:09 < ohsix> did alan thicke die, he's trending on the interbuttes
2016-12-14T06:42:17 < ohsix> yep
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2016-12-14T06:51:04 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://twitter.com/CDthaSad/status/808122466518364160
2016-12-14T06:57:30 < ohsix> one of the last things alan thicke did was the eric andre show ;]
2016-12-14T06:57:56 < upgrdman> ohsix, i get the feeling the owner of that dog is some obsessed dog show woman
2016-12-14T07:04:05 < ohsix> i need an alt twitter account to post that video of the woman on the plane to this https://twitter.com/lolacoaster/status/808744173478125568
2016-12-14T07:04:39 < ohsix> it is funny non sequitur but easy to mistread ;]
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2016-12-14T07:15:46 < aandrew> what woman on the plane vid
2016-12-14T07:18:14 < ohsix> 19:24 < upgrdman> lol  https://youtu.be/InlJXXsjhs0?t=51
2016-12-14T07:25:36 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ThomasAwful/status/718889068365488128 looooool
2016-12-14T07:28:31 < aandrew> ohsix: wtf
2016-12-14T07:28:53 < aandrew> you know when you put a leash on a cat and it just passive agressively flops down and gives up?
2016-12-14T07:30:08 < upgrdman> and that when you pick up the cat by its tail
2016-12-14T07:30:19 < upgrdman> err i mean "handle"
2016-12-14T07:37:23 < ohsix> aandrew: haha yea
2016-12-14T07:39:19 < ohsix> people don't realize that an airplane isn't a place to take a stand, everyone is stressed the fuck out and even if it didn't matter initially, talking shit will make an actual problem that needs to be resolved with removal
2016-12-14T07:40:12 < ohsix> didn't watch rest of video tho, so no comment
2016-12-14T07:41:18 < ohsix> http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-ato-is-back-online-but-a-million-gigabytes-of-data-has-been-wiped-from-the-system-2016-12 lul
2016-12-14T07:41:32 < ohsix> 'wiped from' such intent injection in that framing
2016-12-14T07:41:41 < ohsix> people are too dumb to even know they're doing that shit D:
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2016-12-14T08:02:07 < jpa-> zyp: protobuf is indeed not very fast if one compares to e.g. plain structs
2016-12-14T08:03:49 < jpa-> http://lakka.kapsi.fi:50140/job/nanopb-benchmark/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/publish/index.html   about 70 cycles per byte
2016-12-14T08:44:09 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELYudG_0j3c new wheel of the worst
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2016-12-14T08:45:27 < Thorn> that sounds like a lot
2016-12-14T08:47:51 < jpa-> nanopb is not particularly fast either, because it focuses more on code size; e.g. google's own implementation and protobuf-c generate code for each message, which takes more ROM but executes a bit faster (i generate only descriptor arrays)
2016-12-14T08:49:21 < ohsix> a lot vs. something that sucks major balls to maintain over time
2016-12-14T08:51:39 < Thorn> what if I want to dynamically enable/disable transmission of certain parameters in my telemetry packets? would that be difficult to implement with protobufs?
2016-12-14T08:52:18 < jpa-> you can just specify your fields as "optional"
2016-12-14T08:53:13 < Thorn> so they are somehow tagged in the binary encoding?
2016-12-14T08:53:53 < jpa-> yeah, the .proto file specifies a tag number for each field, and the binary encoding is basically   (tag, field type) (field data)
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2016-12-14T09:58:55 < dongs> sup serial innovators
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2016-12-14T10:21:54 < ohsix> zyp: https://github.com/desaster/kippo :p
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2016-12-14T10:32:54 < dongs> wow
2016-12-14T10:33:02 < dongs> #define TIMER_PERIOD(usvalue) ((84000000 / (1000000 / (usvalue)) - 1))ou
2016-12-14T10:33:09 < dongs> nice typo, still "works"
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2016-12-14T10:34:25 < dongs> wonder what the shit 'o' is
2016-12-14T10:34:29 < dongs> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/integer_literal not in the list here.
2016-12-14T10:34:33 < dongs> not even an error
2016-12-14T10:35:47 < jpa-> gcc doesn't accept it
2016-12-14T10:35:56 < upgrdman> int o? look like octal
2016-12-14T10:36:05 < dongs> jpa, keil does lol
2016-12-14T10:36:10 < dongs> without even a warning
2016-12-14T10:36:29 < dongs> upgrdman: < dongs> #define TIMER_PERIOD(usvalue) ((84000000 / (1000000 / (usvalue)) - 1))ou
2016-12-14T10:36:47 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-12-14T10:38:15 < dongs> jpa-: so gcc dies if you try to use that macro?
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2016-12-14T10:43:02 < jpa-> dongs: test344.c:3:12: error: invalid suffix "ou" on integer constant
2016-12-14T10:43:30 < dongs> intersting
2016-12-14T10:43:42 < dongs> literally nothing in kreil
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2016-12-14T10:51:49 < jpa-> actually if i use the macro directly, then it is   test344.c:1:71: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘ou’
2016-12-14T10:52:00 < jpa-> because one cannot put suffixes outside () like that anyway
2016-12-14T10:52:16 < stvn> hmmm
2016-12-14T10:53:19 < dongs> jpa-: keil must be just discarding it completely then
2016-12-14T10:53:34 < dongs> #define TIMER_PERIOD(usvalue) ((84000000 / (1000000 / (usvalue)) - 1))cunt
2016-12-14T10:53:35 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-14T10:53:37 < dongs> even this works
2016-12-14T10:54:08 < stvn> neat 
2016-12-14T10:58:33 < Steffanx> Lol
2016-12-14T11:09:03 < upgrdman> nice way to deter robbers  https://i.imgur.com/4i3h4KI.png
2016-12-14T11:15:10 < stvn> this is in real time
2016-12-14T11:15:39 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
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2016-12-14T11:41:26 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Bill_Shea19/status/808683464765702144
2016-12-14T11:41:31 < stvn> analog mux
2016-12-14T11:41:47 < stvn> hi ohsix welcome to the STM32 community
2016-12-14T11:43:46 < jpa-> the community without communication nor unity
2016-12-14T11:46:32 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul if that was brake cleaner they'd be dead
2016-12-14T11:46:51 < ohsix> that stuff comes out of the can like a hose, empties in a few seconds
2016-12-14T11:46:59 < upgrdman> ohsix, ? does b.c. contain an oxidizer?
2016-12-14T11:47:06 < upgrdman> oh that, ya
2016-12-14T11:48:25 < ohsix> there are probably other things like it, but i was using the brake cleaner on saturday
2016-12-14T11:58:21 < upgrdman> lol, wonder if this is really made "ingermany" https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Magnifier-Magnifying-Microscope-Jeweler/dp/B01CP0W7DK/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1481709403&sr=8-4
2016-12-14T12:00:36 < Fleck> comments upgrdman: I don't believe the "INGERMANY" part either. They wouldn't make something this bad, AND the made in CHINA on the packaging seems more likely.
2016-12-14T12:00:59 < emeryth> the packaging was made in china, duh
2016-12-14T12:01:28 < Fleck> INCHINA :D
2016-12-14T12:02:30 < stvn> wb Fleck 
2016-12-14T12:03:19 < Fleck> wb stvn
2016-12-14T12:04:06 < stvn> thanks
2016-12-14T12:04:17 < stvn> is Joel sending us free stm32f7 boards yet?
2016-12-14T12:04:27 < Fleck> nope
2016-12-14T12:04:50 < stvn> ah shit
2016-12-14T12:06:46 < ohsix> dolphin fashion is a classy name
2016-12-14T12:09:36 < jpa-> stvn: sure he is
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2016-12-14T12:14:01 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/221358011584 these are pretty kewl considering the cost (pal has one, posting link so i can find it when upgrdman shows upagain)
2016-12-14T12:19:42 < stvn> welly welly welly well
2016-12-14T12:43:47 < ohsix> oh snaaaaaaaaaaap
2016-12-14T12:44:08 < ohsix> ReadErr: they sell truck systems with battery and everything in it, you can just put them on a regular board
2016-12-14T12:44:36 < ohsix> http://www.mellowboards.com/
2016-12-14T12:45:15 < ohsix> oh haha or not, pre order, also insanely expensive
2016-12-14T12:45:26 < ohsix> that's the way to go, can't wait until chinese dudes are making them
2016-12-14T12:46:45 < ohsix> 2100$ usd, w t f; who buys this shit
2016-12-14T12:48:21 < ohsix> ReadErr: i could easily 3d print bracket in abs now, making one is on my list ;D
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2016-12-14T12:56:22 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-14T12:56:38 < ohsix> i would have to work out with the lab how much i could 'sell' them for,  but if anyone needs anything printed let me know
2016-12-14T12:56:47 < ohsix> it counts as 'practice' still
2016-12-14T13:05:29 < Steffanx> Too bad a skate board like that is forbidden in this country
2016-12-14T13:06:18 < Thorn> what GSM module do I use in a stm32 project? is SIM800H/L good?
2016-12-14T13:07:36 < stvn> ah
2016-12-14T13:09:04 < stvn> the old Steffan
2016-12-14T13:14:38 < jpa-> Thorn: arduino gsm shield of course
2016-12-14T13:14:45 < stvn> :o
2016-12-14T13:14:53 < stvn> are u trollin?
2016-12-14T13:15:46 < emeryth> but only the original one with the exploding cap
2016-12-14T13:16:00 < stvn> exploding cap?
2016-12-14T13:17:02 < emeryth> https://hackaday.com/2013/09/24/safety-warning-arduino-gsm-shield-may-cause-fires/
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2016-12-14T13:27:52 < stvn> nice
2016-12-14T13:28:54 < stvn> http://gushh.net/tmp/arduinoshield.png
2016-12-14T13:33:26 < Thorn> ok I'll ask my customer if they want the exploding cap
2016-12-14T13:33:48 < stvn> arduino compatibility
2016-12-14T13:33:55 < stvn> sounds better
2016-12-14T13:34:40 < jpa-> hmm, i need a 8x8 or larger LED matrix; preferrably monochrome but RGB is ok; must have individual drive for each led, i.e. no multiplexing; i wonder whether there is anything else than WS2812 based ones out there
2016-12-14T13:35:00 < dongs> jpa-: err,, yes.
2016-12-14T13:35:06 < dongs> the standard 8x8 china rgb matrixes
2016-12-14T13:35:18 < jpa-> aren't those multiplexed?
2016-12-14T13:35:22 < dongs> https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1JV7vKXXXXXaKXXXXq6xXFXXX6/China-8x8-RGB-led-transparent-dot-matrix.jpg
2016-12-14T13:35:25 < dongs> these things
2016-12-14T13:35:32 < dongs> waht do you mean multiplexed? no, tehy have anodes/cathodes
2016-12-14T13:35:42 < dongs> there's no driver parts on there
2016-12-14T13:36:20 < jpa-> aren't there just anodes/cathodes per each row and column? so that you have to multiplex it to drive all the leds
2016-12-14T13:37:13 < dongs> trying to https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/China-8x8-RGB-led-transparent-dot_1767739251.html
2016-12-14T13:37:17 < dongs> what does that schematic look like?
2016-12-14T13:37:49 < jpa-> yeah, that's multiplexed
2016-12-14T13:38:00 < Thorn> I think I have a couple of these, they have row/column pins
2016-12-14T13:38:12 < dongs> why do you not want multipleed?
2016-12-14T13:38:15 < Thorn> no individual pins for each led
2016-12-14T13:38:16 < dongs> isnt that gonna be over 900 pins
2016-12-14T13:38:28 < jpa-> dongs: not with WS2812 or other integrated driver
2016-12-14T13:38:40 < dongs> do  you literally just want that then>>
2016-12-14T13:38:45 < jpa-> this is for timestamping camera frames; a multiplexed display would flicker in the camera image
2016-12-14T13:38:56 < stvn> https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HT1o23JFKRcXXagOFbXA/202765062/HT1o23JFKRcXXagOFbXA.jpg
2016-12-14T13:38:58 < dongs> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/1200x900/1487-00.jpg
2016-12-14T13:39:00 < dongs> china sells this
2016-12-14T13:39:04 < stvn> aids
2016-12-14T13:39:05 < emeryth> jpa-: multiplex it faster, duh
2016-12-14T13:39:06 < dongs> and aidsfruit renames it to NEODIXEL
2016-12-14T13:39:12 < jpa-> dongs: well i could do the same with 74HC595 and soldering 64 leds on PCB - which is not that unreasonable either
2016-12-14T13:39:21 < dongs> jpa-: if youre worried about multiplex flicker let it be known WS2812 flickers way more :)
2016-12-14T13:39:34 < Thorn> pro cameras should have shutter sync outputs iirc
2016-12-14T13:39:39 < jpa-> dongs: does WS2812 flicker also when i only use "full on" and "full off" colors?
2016-12-14T13:39:43 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-14T13:39:55 < jpa-> why does it do that :(
2016-12-14T13:40:00 < stvn> cause its shit
2016-12-14T13:40:07 < dongs> i think it flickers on every 'latch'
2016-12-14T13:40:10 < dongs> when it receives that long pulse
2016-12-14T13:40:13 < dongs> anyway try it
2016-12-14T13:40:16 < stvn> ew
2016-12-14T13:40:17 < jpa-> ah, well that's ok enough
2016-12-14T13:40:23 < jpa-> as long as the whole screen flickers as one
2016-12-14T13:40:28 < jpa-> instead of "rolling shutter" style effect
2016-12-14T13:40:37 < dongs> why would whoele screen flicker?
2016-12-14T13:40:42 < dongs> data is passed in->out
2016-12-14T13:40:49 < dongs> it would all be slowly delaying by xx
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2016-12-14T13:40:53 < dongs> the latch pulse
2016-12-14T13:40:56 < stvn> ws2812 ew
2016-12-14T13:41:05 < jpa-> the long pulse goes to whole display pretty fast, delay is a few microseconds for a matrix of that size
2016-12-14T13:41:14 < dongs> anyway time to get the fuck outa here
2016-12-14T13:41:16 < dongs> so today i found out
2016-12-14T13:41:22 < dongs> when you order 38kHz IR receivers fro meverlight
2016-12-14T13:41:25 < dongs> they send you 40khz instead
2016-12-14T13:41:37 < dongs> and everlight 40khz can barely respond to 38khz carrier
2016-12-14T13:41:46 < dongs> while vishay TSOP38 is OK wiht 38 and 40
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2016-12-14T14:08:51 < karlp> I see bvernoux was back last night ranting on things again.  such fun.
2016-12-14T14:09:38 < BrainDamage> ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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2016-12-14T14:28:57 < jpa-> hmm actually figured out that i can use multiplexed display just fine also
2016-12-14T14:30:44 < stvn> hi tecdroid 
2016-12-14T14:30:47 < stvn> i mean Tectu 
2016-12-14T14:30:55 < Tectu> hi stvn, sup?
2016-12-14T14:31:01 < stvn> oh not much
2016-12-14T14:31:09 < BrainDamage> the ground?
2016-12-14T14:31:10 < stvn> just having a business meeting over a bottle of scotch
2016-12-14T14:31:16 < stvn> tha sky
2016-12-14T14:31:26 < BrainDamage> you're in australia.
2016-12-14T14:31:34 < stvn> mmm but...
2016-12-14T14:31:37 < Steffanx> Bottle?
2016-12-14T14:31:41 < stvn> yes
2016-12-14T14:32:00 < stvn> was about to say, Steffanx knows tha sky is up
2016-12-14T14:33:43 < Tectu> fuck that sky response, seriously
2016-12-14T14:33:49 < Tectu> yes, looking at you, stvn 
2016-12-14T14:33:51 < stvn> i just learned to accept it
2016-12-14T14:33:53 < Tectu> Steffanx*
2016-12-14T14:33:56 < Tectu> don't
2016-12-14T14:34:00 < stvn> k brah
2016-12-14T14:34:04 < stvn> Steffanx, you fucked it
2016-12-14T14:34:08 < Tectu> this is how other bad stuff started to happen
2016-12-14T14:34:28 < Tectu> first you don't care, then you accept it and suddenly you have 85% immigrants in your country
2016-12-14T14:34:37 < Tectu> or trump as a president
2016-12-14T14:35:33 < Tectu> or Keil as your main utility in your company
2016-12-14T14:35:52 < stvn> ah k
2016-12-14T14:37:25 < Steffanx> sky.
2016-12-14T14:38:13 < Steffanx> The solution is to not ask: what's up?
2016-12-14T14:38:36 < stvn> sky 4 life
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2016-12-14T14:43:11 < stvn> perfect timing
2016-12-14T14:43:49 < Thorn> or "hi team! as of today we use ugfx"
2016-12-14T14:44:30 < stvn> sounds fun
2016-12-14T14:44:44 < stvn> i want Tectu to come to australia and show me ugfx
2016-12-14T14:46:03 < Fleck> stvn wants not only that...: [12:04:17] <stvn> is Joel sending us free stm32f7 boards yet?
2016-12-14T14:47:06 < Steffanx> You only want stm32h7
2016-12-14T14:48:41 < stvn> hmm
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2016-12-14T14:48:55 < Tectu> hi Fleck 
2016-12-14T14:48:58 < Tectu> sup?
2016-12-14T14:48:59 < Fleck> hi
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2016-12-14T14:50:06 < Steffanx> *sky
2016-12-14T14:51:26 < Fleck> nothing uGFX related Tectu
2016-12-14T14:51:53 < Fleck> ups, forgot, we don't talk uGFX in IRC
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2016-12-14T14:52:23 < Fleck> we just make fun of uGFX users in IRC! :)
2016-12-14T14:52:46 < stvn> oh yeah the forum lol
2016-12-14T14:52:56 < stvn> how do i use the terminal mate?
2016-12-14T14:53:08 < stvn> i don't even pkunzip
2016-12-14T14:53:53 < Fleck> Steffanx: didn't know ST ships H7 boards, sure about that?
2016-12-14T14:54:07 < Thorn> is there an English term for components required for e.g. an stm32 to function? as in "this PCB has an stm32 with <circuit>, an i2s codec with <circuit> and an audio amp with <circuit>"
2016-12-14T14:54:23 < Thorn> or do you just say "stm32, i2s codec and an audio amp"
2016-12-14T14:54:43 < Fleck> with required componentes?
2016-12-14T14:54:50 < stvn> i'd call it the minimum circuit
2016-12-14T14:55:06 < stvn> barebones implementation maybe
2016-12-14T14:56:56 < Thorn> would "application circuit" be inappropriate?
2016-12-14T14:57:02 < Thorn> in this context
2016-12-14T14:57:31 < Tectu> Thorn, vital circuitry or essential circuitry?
2016-12-14T14:57:48 < Tectu> "The essential application specific circuitry"?
2016-12-14T15:01:10 < Laurenceb_> good morning
2016-12-14T15:01:12 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/f309dd899cd4da451156e62f1c12e984520ce8fcb20382e43155a273a4b56899.png
2016-12-14T15:01:33  * stvn lights a fat cigar
2016-12-14T15:01:45 < stvn> sfw guys
2016-12-14T15:04:05 < Tectu> I wonder how Laurenceb_'s facebook timeline (would) look
2016-12-14T15:04:12 < stvn> have a look
2016-12-14T15:04:52 < stvn> >not having your stm32 friends on facebook
2016-12-14T15:05:27 < Laurenceb_> I deleted my facebook in 2006
2016-12-14T15:05:39 < Tectu> stvn, would you actually have a use for an F7 disco or would you just dickbutt around?
2016-12-14T15:05:39 < stvn> same
2016-12-14T15:06:12 < stvn> not at this stage
2016-12-14T15:06:50 < Thorn> okay thanks
2016-12-14T15:08:56 < Tectu> that wiring skill... http://images.wasted.earth:1339/view.php?p=14817209172460
2016-12-14T15:09:16 < stvn> looks good
2016-12-14T15:09:30 < stvn> it's fused lol
2016-12-14T15:09:47 < stvn> seriously tho wtf is up with britfags
2016-12-14T15:09:51 < Tectu> those are UK plugs, right Laurenceb_ ?
2016-12-14T15:09:56 < stvn> yes
2016-12-14T15:10:08 < stvn> (i import a lot of stuff from UK)
2016-12-14T15:10:20 < stvn> good old 240 50hz
2016-12-14T15:10:33 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-12-14T15:14:27 < stvn> the subohm king
2016-12-14T15:17:54 < karlp> Thorn: "supporting circuitry" ?
2016-12-14T15:18:52 < stvn> :}
2016-12-14T15:19:02 < stvn> sounds good
2016-12-14T15:19:25 < Thorn> are any of those terms in widespread use, or are they generally omitted?
2016-12-14T15:19:46 < karlp> it's only academia where people expect it, so....  no idea?
2016-12-14T15:19:48 < Steffanx> Lies Laurenceb_ in sept 2006 facebook went public. Also in 2006 you werent 13 yo yet.
2016-12-14T15:19:58 < Laurenceb_> wut
2016-12-14T15:20:02 < Laurenceb_> wrong
2016-12-14T15:20:08 < Laurenceb_> I was on facebook in 2005
2016-12-14T15:20:17 < Tectu> laurence@blaxter.edu
2016-12-14T15:20:28 < Tectu> Steffanx, facebook was pre-2006 but with .edu only
2016-12-14T15:20:36 < Laurenceb_> cuckerberg gave me direct access via email
2016-12-14T15:20:56 < Tectu> lawrence always posted via curl
2016-12-14T15:21:00 < Steffanx> Then ill sue him for giving access for a < 13 yo
2016-12-14T15:21:07 < Steffanx> To a*
2016-12-14T15:21:15 < Steffanx> For a
2016-12-14T15:21:18 < Tectu> don't .
2016-12-14T15:21:19 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
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2016-12-14T15:21:24 < Steffanx> To a would be weird
2016-12-14T15:21:29 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc_qNwNuLBo  NSFL
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2016-12-14T15:23:30 < jadew> I just got invited, over linked in, to an interview for a team manager position for Amazon, all expenses paid - is this common spam on linked in or there's something to it?
2016-12-14T15:24:42 < Tectu> jadew, I didn't get one but then again, I'm no web dev. But none of my friends mentioned something like that.
2016-12-14T15:25:31 < stvn> this is a real show tonight 
2016-12-14T15:25:36 < stvn> i'll tell you that gentlemen
2016-12-14T15:25:37 < jadew> think they're looking for web dev stuff?
2016-12-14T15:26:02 < Tectu> well that or they need somebody who actually understands regex
2016-12-14T15:26:26 < jadew> hehe, well, my profile covers a lot
2016-12-14T15:26:45 < jadew> well, good to know it's not something common then
2016-12-14T15:26:51 < Tectu> does it include your "the talk"-skills?
2016-12-14T15:26:52 < jadew> I'll reply, doesn't hurt to go
2016-12-14T15:27:26 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/fc66d14a81020155bb4d100073f61bfb3216add90b9820666fda8cd470f3d6b4.png
2016-12-14T15:27:46 < stvn> hot wheels 4 lyf
2016-12-14T15:28:36 < jadew> well, in my previous position (before switching to part time), part of my responsibilities were to lead programming teams
2016-12-14T15:28:55 < jadew> I suppose that's what they picked on
2016-12-14T15:29:23 < stvn> i better shut down this dirty box
2016-12-14T15:29:24 < stvn> later
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2016-12-14T15:29:58 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/b032a93642a1359d5b496f2d09387eed2f1770906e267a6835309e676429ade5.jpg
2016-12-14T15:30:02 < Laurenceb_> whats your score?
2016-12-14T15:30:08 < Tectu> jesus stop posting crap Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-14T15:30:33 < Thorn> http://fortune.com/2015/08/19/amazon-work-culture/
2016-12-14T15:30:35 < Tectu> how do you even get actual work done
2016-12-14T15:30:55 < jadew> lol, there are like 80 questions there lol
2016-12-14T15:35:33 < jadew> Tectu, good link, I'm not really planning to get a new job, but I'll check out what they have to offer anyway, it's good to have options
2016-12-14T15:36:06 < Laurenceb_>  "you are a likely suspect for mass shootings. However, this would require going outside"
2016-12-14T15:36:09 < Laurenceb_> irl lulld
2016-12-14T15:37:02 < Tectu> jadew, I guess you refer to the link that Thorn posted, not me?
2016-12-14T15:37:45 < jadew> oh, right, Thorn, sorry
2016-12-14T15:37:49 < Steffanx> No plans for that no more jadew?
2016-12-14T15:40:23 < jadew> Steffanx, for getting a job? I really hope I won't have to
2016-12-14T15:40:35 < jadew> it sucks
2016-12-14T15:40:53 < Steffanx> Not getting what you deserve too
2016-12-14T15:41:19 < jadew> yeah, it's just a bad deal
2016-12-14T15:41:49 < jadew> you lose a lot of time and all the effort you put into it is practically gone when you clock out
2016-12-14T15:43:03 < Thorn> I called a couple companies that import stuff from China today. "We have illegal, partially legal and fully legal options."
2016-12-14T15:43:17 < jadew> heh
2016-12-14T15:44:01 < Tectu> Thorn, LOL
2016-12-14T15:44:07 < Tectu> Thorn, what are you importing?
2016-12-14T15:44:17 < Thorn> however they didn't really ask me what I want to import and still said that they guarantee no problems with customs
2016-12-14T15:44:32 < Thorn> so you can draw your conclusions
2016-12-14T15:44:43 < Thorn> LED modules like http://jhopto.en.alibaba.com/product/718572882-214077296/5000sqm_per_month_single_color_P10_JHP10_R_V806AW_led_display_module.html
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2016-12-14T15:50:56 < jadew> Laurenceb, I scored "slightly strange"
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2016-12-14T15:51:22 < jadew> had surprisingly good scores in Social
2016-12-14T15:52:22 < karlp> I declined to bother trying to add up all those silly numbers, does that make me automatically in the "normalfag+" or something?
2016-12-14T15:54:59 < jadew> probably
2016-12-14T15:55:51 < Fleck> http://ipv6tree.bitnet.be/
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2016-12-14T16:04:59 < jadew> lol
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2016-12-14T16:06:40 < Rob235> are tqfp144 hand solderable?
2016-12-14T16:07:39 < Tectu> yes
2016-12-14T16:07:50 < Rob235> require a lot of skill? anything cheap I can buy to practice on?
2016-12-14T16:08:29 < Tectu> nah, just get some proper flux and you can just swipe across the leads with your tip
2016-12-14T16:08:43 < Tectu> I use that chipquick stuff that many people around here use as well, works great
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2016-12-14T16:08:46 < BrainDamage> flood with solder, wick excess with braid
2016-12-14T16:08:59 < Rob235> oh ok, I guess I thought that package had smaller pins
2016-12-14T16:09:02 < BrainDamage> works with all fine pitch packages
2016-12-14T16:09:08 < Tectu> yeah, +1 for wicking. I guess you won't get the solder dosage right the first time.
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2016-12-14T16:09:31 < Rob235> what tip for the soldering iron? any?
2016-12-14T16:09:33 < Thorn> just don't try to drag the wick!
2016-12-14T16:09:36 < Rob235> since you are just going straight over
2016-12-14T16:09:45 < karlp> doesn't matter, just drag a pile of solder along all the pins, hit with wick.
2016-12-14T16:09:52 < karlp> easier than I thought it would be.
2016-12-14T16:09:53 < Rob235> awesome
2016-12-14T16:10:02 < karlp> not as easy as just reflowing, but still easy enough
2016-12-14T16:10:05 < Tectu> Rob235, the point is that you don't solder each pin individually. You put flux on the pins, a fair amount of solder on your solder tip (there are even special solder tips with a "reservoir" for that, but not really required for home-brewing) and then swipe across the pins so that the solder tip touches the pins as well as the pads.
2016-12-14T16:10:28 < karlp> (as long as you have some space for your iron and wick around all the sides)
2016-12-14T16:10:29 < Rob235> I think I can handle that
2016-12-14T16:10:50 < Tectu> and as always: blame your girlfriend/wife if it doesn't work
2016-12-14T16:10:56 < Rob235> of course
2016-12-14T16:10:57 < Rickta59> first time i did a fine pitch chip, I setup a light under the board. If the pcb is fairly thing and translucent you can see if you have any bridges
2016-12-14T16:11:08 < Rickta59> thin
2016-12-14T16:11:12 < Rickta59> not thing
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2016-12-14T16:11:19 < Rob235> I might try my first fpga project...
2016-12-14T16:12:17 < BrainDamage> oh and personal suggestion, since i find annoying to tack ic corners with fine pitch, you can use plumber's putty to temp hold packages in place
2016-12-14T16:13:05 < Tectu> BrainDamage, that's interesting.
2016-12-14T16:13:41 < Tectu> BrainDamage, the tacking itself is not really the issue, I find that the problem is accidentally bending & breaking the tacked pin(s) off afterwards
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2016-12-14T16:14:17 < Rob235> how do packages work, are all TQFP the same size with variable pitch depending on the pin count or are the pins the same size/distance and its a physically bigger chip
2016-12-14T16:15:42 < Thorn> for stm32, qfp32 is 0.8mm, all others are 0.5mm
2016-12-14T16:16:17 < Tectu> there's also lqfp but that's the same pitch as tqfp but less package height, if I remember correctly
2016-12-14T16:16:34 < BrainDamage> yes, the t stands for tall
2016-12-14T16:19:20 < Rob235> hmm 20 bucks for a xilinx spartan-6
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2016-12-14T16:45:51 < Spirit532> Rob235, it's not as simple as putting a chip on a board
2016-12-14T16:46:15 < Spirit532> ##fpga for a fun community of people that hate FPGAs
2016-12-14T16:46:15 < Spirit532> :^)
2016-12-14T16:47:13 < Tectu> yeah, working with FPGAs is very different from working with microcontrollers in almost all aspects
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2016-12-14T16:56:22 < karlp> BrainDamage: heh, t for tall. nice.
2016-12-14T16:57:44 < karlp> huh, f413 has built in digital filters you can feed data too from internally as well, not just from the microphoen inputs
2016-12-14T16:57:50 < karlp> is that new? or did other parts have that too?
2016-12-14T16:58:44 < Tectu> karlp, that sounds nice, what specs?
2016-12-14T16:59:23 < karlp> I'm not going to be able to provide whatever specs you consider important, best to look at it yourself :)
2016-12-14T17:02:27 < Tectu> "6x digital filters for sigma delta modulator, 12x PDM interfaces, with stereo microphone and sound source localization support"
2016-12-14T17:02:34 < Tectu> wut, it does hardware triangulation?
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2016-12-14T17:05:20 < Steffanx> Englishmen you were a stm8 fan, what tooling did you use?
2016-12-14T17:05:21 < Rob235> Spirit532: yea I know its not just that, what were you talking about specifically though, everything else that goes on the board like resistors/caps probably a microcontroller and all its stuff
2016-12-14T17:05:32 < Spirit532> everything
2016-12-14T17:05:32 < Spirit532> yes
2016-12-14T17:05:36 < Rob235> yea
2016-12-14T17:05:38 < Rob235> I know :)
2016-12-14T17:05:50 < Rob235> I havent done a board yet but I have an idea of how it works
2016-12-14T17:06:01 < Spirit532> you haven't made a single board yet?
2016-12-14T17:06:06 < Rob235> nope
2016-12-14T17:06:10 < Spirit532> stop
2016-12-14T17:06:12 < Spirit532> drop what you're doing
2016-12-14T17:06:17 < Rob235> first one was going to be for my drone, which was my first electronics project at all
2016-12-14T17:06:17 < Spirit532> and try actually making a board
2016-12-14T17:06:20 < Spirit532> I recommend #kicad
2016-12-14T17:06:24 < Spirit532> (and kicad in general)
2016-12-14T17:06:43 < Spirit532> you can do anything from basic blinky to microwave magic
2016-12-14T17:06:46 < Spirit532> and it's free.
2016-12-14T17:06:50 < Rob235> I messed around in diptrace for an hour or two a while ago
2016-12-14T17:06:54 < karlp> why can't the first one be the one with the fpga on it?
2016-12-14T17:07:01 < Rob235> yea really
2016-12-14T17:07:07 < Spirit532> karlp, because it's harder.
2016-12-14T17:07:08 < Spirit532> a lot.
2016-12-14T17:07:12 < Rob235> I think I can handle it
2016-12-14T17:07:17 < karlp> well duh, but some people like going all the way
2016-12-14T17:07:27 < Spirit532> Rob235, can you solder?
2016-12-14T17:07:28 < karlp> skip over that shitty "I built a through hole transister led blinker pcb"
2016-12-14T17:07:46 < Rob235> i mean, my first hardware project is a flight controller/hexacopter using the stm32f4 disco
2016-12-14T17:07:56 < Rob235> didnt know anything before I started that
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2016-12-14T17:08:09 < Rob235> from scratch
2016-12-14T17:08:37 < Spirit532> karlp, but a "build an FPGA with a tiny pin pitch QFP and possibly multiple power rails that require clean power" is a big jump from "blinky"
2016-12-14T17:08:38 < Rob235> I don't like bullshit examples
2016-12-14T17:08:53 < Rob235> live and learn
2016-12-14T17:09:08 < Spirit532> trust me, you don't want your first ever project to have a $20 part
2016-12-14T17:09:08 < Spirit532> lol
2016-12-14T17:09:13 < Rob235> if blinky doesn't have those problems then how would it even teach me to solve them?
2016-12-14T17:09:22 < Rob235> it would just be a quick useless tutorial
2016-12-14T17:09:25 < Thorn> do a CPLD like EPM240
2016-12-14T17:09:30 < Thorn> not a real FPGA
2016-12-14T17:09:38 < Rob235> oh yea I will find something cheap to try first
2016-12-14T17:09:45 < Spirit532> altera have shitty tools
2016-12-14T17:09:59 < Spirit532> do xilinx or small lattice
2016-12-14T17:10:01 < Rob235> I heard xilinx does too pre arctic-7 or whatever its called
2016-12-14T17:10:09 < Spirit532> artix
2016-12-14T17:10:14 < Spirit532> and that's quite high end
2016-12-14T17:10:21 < Rob235> but I'm going with the spartan-6
2016-12-14T17:10:25 < Rob235> one step down should be good
2016-12-14T17:10:25 < Spirit532> that's a $20 price
2016-12-14T17:10:27 < Spirit532> part*
2016-12-14T17:10:27 < Rob235> yea
2016-12-14T17:10:29 < Rob235> thats what i said
2016-12-14T17:10:49 < Rob235> i'm not mass producing this
2016-12-14T17:10:50 < Spirit532> plus you'll have a problem of power supplies
2016-12-14T17:10:57 < Rob235> how so
2016-12-14T17:11:25 < Spirit532> you can't slap a regulator on there and expect it to work well
2016-12-14T17:11:33 < Spirit532> well, I mean, you can
2016-12-14T17:11:38 < Spirit532> but that's bad practice
2016-12-14T17:11:47 < Spirit532> I may be overexaggerating this
2016-12-14T17:11:56 < Spirit532> but you'll need a simple switchmode supply
2016-12-14T17:12:09 < Rob235> I don't know anything about power supplies really.  this is how I learn, I pick a project that interests me and I learn all the aspects throughout the process
2016-12-14T17:12:15 < Spirit532> no need for nasty inductor design, a simple switched capacitor system should work really nicely
2016-12-14T17:13:06 < Spirit532> switched cap designs are just a case of following the app notes and buying the component they want.
2016-12-14T17:18:11 < karlp> settle down boyo,
2016-12-14T17:18:18 < karlp> "nasty inductor design" ?
2016-12-14T17:18:39 < karlp> and of course you can just use linear regs 
2016-12-14T17:19:05 < Thorn> why switched caps, do you need negative voltage or wat
2016-12-14T17:19:10 < Spirit532> wut
2016-12-14T17:19:21 < Spirit532> switched cap regulators are cheap and very efficient
2016-12-14T17:19:25 < Spirit532> no heat, small footprint
2016-12-14T17:20:02 < Thorn> an fpga that blinks a led doesn't draw much current lol
2016-12-14T17:20:17 < Laurenceb> wut you making?
2016-12-14T17:20:21 < Spirit532> there are also these fun things
2016-12-14T17:20:22 < Spirit532> http://www.ti.com/product/LMZ10501
2016-12-14T17:20:35 < Spirit532> basically a switching converter in 0201
2016-12-14T17:20:48 < Spirit532> (ish), metric
2016-12-14T17:26:04 < Laurenceb> anyone here know much about polyfuses?
2016-12-14T17:26:15 < Laurenceb> I'm planning to use one to control supercap charging
2016-12-14T17:26:32 < Laurenceb> but will I kill it permanently if it triggers each time the power is connected?
2016-12-14T17:29:30 < Spirit532> Laurenceb, you may wear it out quickly
2016-12-14T17:29:39 < Spirit532> what do you want to actually use it for?
2016-12-14T17:31:25 < Laurenceb> I've got a firing circuit for pyro stuff
2016-12-14T17:31:28 < Laurenceb> inb4 isis
2016-12-14T17:31:49 < Laurenceb> need to run pyrotechnics and tronics off 4xAAA
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2016-12-14T17:31:58 < Laurenceb> without browning out
2016-12-14T17:32:17 < Laurenceb> atm my design looks like
2016-12-14T17:32:40 < Laurenceb> 4xAAA -> polyfuse -> 4F supercap bank -> pyro drivers
2016-12-14T17:33:03 < Laurenceb> 4xAA -> diode -> 4000µF cap -> LDO -> tronics
2016-12-14T17:33:04  * TheSeven wonders who had the *brilliant* idea of putting the mA range next to "off": http://cdn.pollin.de/article/xtrabig/X830665.1.JPG
2016-12-14T17:33:08 < Laurenceb> *4xAAA
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2016-12-14T17:33:40 < Laurenceb> sometimes the pyros can turn to shorts as they fire
2016-12-14T17:34:09 < Laurenceb> also they draw v large currents even normally , easily enough to lower AAA voltage too much
2016-12-14T17:34:46 < Laurenceb> according to SPICE it all works nicely to protect against failure modes
2016-12-14T17:35:01 < Laurenceb> but the polyfuse will likely fire when the power is first applied
2016-12-14T17:35:08 < Laurenceb> dunno if thats an issue
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2016-12-14T17:41:30 < TheSeven> Laurenceb: if the current is close to zero after the supercaps charge up and you allow it sufficient time to recover, it should work
2016-12-14T17:41:39 < TheSeven> might not exactly enhance the longevity of the fuse though
2016-12-14T17:41:51 < Laurenceb> yeah that was my worry
2016-12-14T17:42:03 < TheSeven> what's the reason to use a polyfuse there?
2016-12-14T17:42:28 < TheSeven> a simple resistor or PTC might work better for that application
2016-12-14T17:43:26 < TheSeven> do you need to charge up the supercaps quickly or is there plenty of time for that?
2016-12-14T17:43:46 < Laurenceb> spice says fuse triggers for 45seconds... not too long
2016-12-14T17:43:52 < Laurenceb> yeah a resistor may work
2016-12-14T17:44:08 < TheSeven> polyfuses don't fully recover that quickly
2016-12-14T17:44:21 < Laurenceb> I don't care how long it takes tbh
2016-12-14T17:44:27 < Laurenceb> it only has to work once
2016-12-14T17:44:38 < Laurenceb> and there is enough energy in the supercaps
2016-12-14T17:44:38 < Spirit532> Laurenceb, the ONLY safe way to make a pyro igniter is to have both sides man-controlled
2016-12-14T17:44:40 < TheSeven> it takes hours for them to fully "heal"
2016-12-14T17:44:48 < Spirit532> as in, someone has to physically push a "charge" button
2016-12-14T17:44:55 < Spirit532> and then someone has to physically push a "fire" button
2016-12-14T17:44:56 < Spirit532> with a key
2016-12-14T17:44:58 < Laurenceb> Spirit532: both sides
2016-12-14T17:45:03 < Spirit532> NEVER do it any other way
2016-12-14T17:45:03 < Laurenceb> I see what you did there
2016-12-14T17:45:09 < Laurenceb> ISIS confirmed
2016-12-14T17:45:14 < Spirit532> lol
2016-12-14T17:45:17 < Spirit532> seriously though
2016-12-14T17:45:22 < Spirit532> never let electronics do charging
2016-12-14T17:45:37 < Laurenceb> Spirit532: one side is at 40km altitude on a balloon
2016-12-14T17:45:38 < Spirit532> it will fail at the exact time some idiot runs through the installation
2016-12-14T17:45:40 < Laurenceb> slight issue there
2016-12-14T17:45:46 < Spirit532> oh
2016-12-14T17:45:49 < Spirit532> wait, wut?
2016-12-14T17:45:56 < Rob235> hmm maybe I'll get this to start out on before I start making my boards http://bit.ly/2gL2TV9
2016-12-14T17:45:57 < Laurenceb> this is for launching rockoons
2016-12-14T17:45:58 < Spirit532> are you trying to make a firing balloon release?
2016-12-14T17:46:02 < Laurenceb> no
2016-12-14T17:46:09 < Spirit532> what the hell is a rockoon
2016-12-14T17:46:10 < Laurenceb> a rocket launcher on a balloon
2016-12-14T17:46:14 < Spirit532> why?
2016-12-14T17:46:16 < Spirit532> D:
2016-12-14T17:46:26 < Laurenceb> way less air resistance
2016-12-14T17:46:35 < Laurenceb> so you can get to extreme alttiudes
2016-12-14T17:46:47 < Spirit532> but you need a huge balloon to lift a hundred-kilo hybrid rocket
2016-12-14T17:46:59 < Laurenceb> TheSeven: basically my idea with the polyfuse was to allow the batteries to help
2016-12-14T17:47:08 < Laurenceb> they can add a bit more energy
2016-12-14T17:47:16 < Laurenceb> but I'm not sure how worth it this is
2016-12-14T17:47:19 < Spirit532> yeah that won't work
2016-12-14T17:47:24 < Laurenceb> back to SPICE :P
2016-12-14T17:47:31 < Spirit532> if you want to fire off a pyro charge, get a low energy pyro charge
2016-12-14T17:47:32 < TheSeven> I have no idea what the power requirements of launching pyros look like
2016-12-14T17:47:33 < Laurenceb> Spirit532: you really dont get it
2016-12-14T17:47:42 < Spirit532> hell, make your own
2016-12-14T17:47:55 < TheSeven> how long of a pulse, how much current?
2016-12-14T17:47:57 < Spirit532> 6V light bulb, dremel, and literally any mixture should do it
2016-12-14T17:47:57 < Laurenceb> TheSeven: about 20W for 100ms
2016-12-14T17:48:08 < Laurenceb> Spirit532: I live in UK
2016-12-14T17:48:12 < Spirit532> yeah?
2016-12-14T17:48:20 < Spirit532> oh, you want it *fully legal*
2016-12-14T17:48:21 < Laurenceb> I'm doing everything 100% legally with minimal paperwork
2016-12-14T17:48:24 < Laurenceb> yes
2016-12-14T17:48:40 < Spirit532> well, I guess no stuffing matchheads into light bulbs for you
2016-12-14T17:48:43 < Laurenceb> I could DIY legally but atm I don't have that level of explosives license
2016-12-14T17:48:50 < Spirit532> it's not explosives
2016-12-14T17:48:57 < Spirit532> or is it classified as such?
2016-12-14T17:49:00 < Spirit532> it just burns.
2016-12-14T17:49:05 < Laurenceb> I'd need to go for interview at local police station and poss complete training course
2016-12-14T17:49:07 < Laurenceb> too much faff
2016-12-14T17:49:26 < TheSeven> Laurenceb: what's the minimum required voltage?
2016-12-14T17:49:27 < Spirit532> in theory, if it's an actual rocket, you should just be able to do the old match head igniter
2016-12-14T17:49:33 < Spirit532> no need for anything to explode
2016-12-14T17:49:34 < Spirit532> ever
2016-12-14T17:49:39 < TheSeven> i.e. at the end of the 100ms
2016-12-14T17:49:58 < TheSeven> anyway, the supercaps would handle that easily
2016-12-14T17:50:36 < Spirit532> yeah
2016-12-14T17:50:42 < Spirit532> or not even supercaps
2016-12-14T17:50:55 < Spirit532> if it's a regular model rocket igniter, a regular cap should do it just fine
2016-12-14T17:51:07 < TheSeven> the supercap voltage will just drop by 100mV during the 100ms pulse, assuming a 4A current
2016-12-14T17:51:10 < Spirit532> I've set them off with batteries
2016-12-14T17:51:29 < TheSeven> the batteries would at best contribute a couple hundred milliamps through the polyfuse
2016-12-14T17:52:04 < Spirit532> yeah
2016-12-14T17:52:54 < Laurenceb> TheSeven: igniters need 3v to fire, I'm using ~6v
2016-12-14T17:53:34 < Spirit532> Laurenceb, try them with your intended battery
2016-12-14T17:53:41 < Spirit532> just a direct short across the battery, nothing else
2016-12-14T17:53:49 < Laurenceb> I know that will work
2016-12-14T17:53:59 < Laurenceb> I need to be 100% sure I have lots of margin
2016-12-14T17:54:07 < Spirit532> slap a fat cap onto it
2016-12-14T17:54:16 < Laurenceb> according to spice, the battery provides about 40% of the firing energy
2016-12-14T17:54:17 < Spirit532> with a dual pole dual throw relay
2016-12-14T17:54:27 < Laurenceb> due to the nonlinearity of the polyfuse response
2016-12-14T17:54:32 < Spirit532> one side of the relay charges the cap
2016-12-14T17:54:33 < Laurenceb> it takes some time to fire
2016-12-14T17:54:37 < Laurenceb>  - the polyfuse
2016-12-14T17:54:42 < Spirit532> the other shorts the battery and the cap together to the igniter
2016-12-14T17:54:45 < Spirit532> don't use the polyfuse
2016-12-14T17:54:51 < Spirit532> it's a stupid idea 
2016-12-14T17:54:55 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-12-14T17:55:07 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwtQFfFNTQ
2016-12-14T17:55:36 < Spirit532> neat
2016-12-14T17:55:40 < TheSeven> what's the ESR of the polyfuse in non-fired state?
2016-12-14T17:55:50 < Spirit532> TheSeven, just no
2016-12-14T17:55:51 < Spirit532> no.
2016-12-14T17:55:55 < Laurenceb> about 0.5ohms
2016-12-14T17:55:56 < TheSeven> it would probably be significantly higher than that anyway if it tripped shortly before
2016-12-14T17:55:59 < Spirit532> polyfuses are not going to work for this.
2016-12-14T17:55:59 < Thorn> that guy needs an "I touch students" t-shirt
2016-12-14T17:56:09 < Thorn> instead of Breaking Bad
2016-12-14T17:56:14 < TheSeven> 0.5 ohms - I don't see how you'd ever get 40% of the firing energy through that
2016-12-14T17:56:15 < Laurenceb> careful he might be in the channel
2016-12-14T17:56:23 < Laurenceb> he is irc legend
2016-12-14T17:56:29 < TheSeven> let's add another 0.5 ohms for the battery resistance, so an ohm total
2016-12-14T17:56:44 < Spirit532> TheSeven, no, just stop
2016-12-14T17:56:47 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-12-14T17:56:52 < Spirit532> the idea of polyfuses should not be entertained
2016-12-14T17:56:57 < TheSeven> Spirit532: I'm just doing the maths to prove it's nonsense ;)
2016-12-14T17:57:07 < Spirit532> if you want a margin, do it with switching and caps
2016-12-14T17:57:17 < Spirit532> a single large cap and a few fets should do it just fine
2016-12-14T17:57:29 < TheSeven> assuming 4A of current for 100ms, that will drop supercap voltage by ~100mV
2016-12-14T17:57:41 < TheSeven> so you have a 100mV differential across 1 ohm => 100mA
2016-12-14T17:58:08 < TheSeven> but only at the end, average would be half that => 50mA out of 4A
2016-12-14T17:58:16 < TheSeven> i.e. about 1.2% contribution from the battery
2016-12-14T17:58:20 < Laurenceb> firing time can be as long as 350ms worst case
2016-12-14T17:58:31 < Laurenceb> and I have 1.6F actual
2016-12-14T17:58:37 < Laurenceb> 3x 5F in series
2016-12-14T17:58:38 < Spirit532> that's way too much
2016-12-14T17:58:49 < Spirit532> if you dump a higher voltage into it with a cap, it'll burn guaranteed
2016-12-14T17:59:01 < TheSeven> ah, you said 4F before
2016-12-14T17:59:01 < Laurenceb> SPICE says about 40% from the battery
2016-12-14T17:59:03 < Spirit532> 3x the rated voltage peak works well
2016-12-14T17:59:05 < Spirit532> so 9V
2016-12-14T17:59:09 < Laurenceb> sorry was ocnfused 
2016-12-14T17:59:23 < Laurenceb> Spirit532: caps in series
2016-12-14T17:59:28 < Laurenceb> with balancer ic
2016-12-14T17:59:34 < Spirit532> wh...y
2016-12-14T17:59:35 < Spirit532> D:
2016-12-14T17:59:41 < Spirit532> just charge a fat 9V cap
2016-12-14T17:59:42 < TheSeven> so we're at a max drop of about 900mV at the supercaps
2016-12-14T17:59:46 < Laurenceb> cuz >3v supercaps done exist
2016-12-14T17:59:50 < Spirit532> or use a lipo
2016-12-14T17:59:58 < Spirit532> NOT SUPERCAP
2016-12-14T18:00:00 < Spirit532> just regular cap
2016-12-14T18:00:00 < TheSeven> => 12% contribution
2016-12-14T18:00:35 < Spirit532> at 12V you'll only need a few thousand uf to set off a 3V igniter
2016-12-14T18:00:42 < Spirit532> try it, burn a dozen igniters up
2016-12-14T18:00:46 < TheSeven> if the igniter shorting out is a concern, and it's single-shot anyway (no need to quickly recharge), I'd probably go with a 220-1k resistor instead of the polyfuse
2016-12-14T18:00:59 < Spirit532> TheSeven, the igniter burns up
2016-12-14T18:01:01 < Laurenceb> hmm
2016-12-14T18:01:20 < Laurenceb> well I can swap the polyfuse for resistor easily
2016-12-14T18:01:46 < TheSeven> the resistor would probably pass less current than the fuse in tripped state anyway ;)
2016-12-14T18:01:47 < Spirit532> can you just stop and actually think about it?
2016-12-14T18:01:51 < Spirit532> you DON'T NEED A BATTERY
2016-12-14T18:01:54 < Spirit532> charge the capacitor
2016-12-14T18:01:56 < Laurenceb> wut
2016-12-14T18:02:01 < Spirit532> short the capacitor across the igniter
2016-12-14T18:02:03 < Spirit532> and you're DONE
2016-12-14T18:02:04 < Laurenceb> supercaps discharge
2016-12-14T18:02:08 < Laurenceb> over like 5 hours
2016-12-14T18:02:09 < Spirit532> yeah...
2016-12-14T18:02:17 < Spirit532> so keep it charged...
2016-12-14T18:02:21 < Laurenceb> flight lasts that long
2016-12-14T18:02:33 < Laurenceb> ok I get what you are saying
2016-12-14T18:02:38 < Spirit532> battery in parallel with supercap in parallel with relay
2016-12-14T18:02:43 < Spirit532> or mosfet
2016-12-14T18:02:46 < Spirit532> and that goes to the igniter
2016-12-14T18:03:23 < TheSeven> limiting the battery current in a short-circuit condition is probably a good idea though, both to limit power dissipation and keep other electronics powered
2016-12-14T18:03:34 < Laurenceb> TheSeven: yeah
2016-12-14T18:03:47 < Spirit532> that should be enough
2016-12-14T18:03:50 < Laurenceb> to fire the igniter I need to apply voltage for worst case time
2016-12-14T18:03:53 < Laurenceb> so ~400ms
2016-12-14T18:03:54 < Spirit532> OR
2016-12-14T18:03:55 < Spirit532> OR
2016-12-14T18:04:02 < Spirit532> charge the capacitor up at base
2016-12-14T18:04:04 < Laurenceb> if it fires after 50ms and goes to short
2016-12-14T18:04:05 < TheSeven> Laurenceb: ...or even indefinitely?
2016-12-14T18:04:07 < Spirit532> and then keep it charged using the battery
2016-12-14T18:04:08 < Spirit532> that's it
2016-12-14T18:04:15 < Laurenceb> then thats 350ms of short
2016-12-14T18:04:36 < Laurenceb> which kills the battery a bit unless the current is limited
2016-12-14T18:04:52 < Laurenceb> so I'd have to use a ~30ohm resistor to charge the caps
2016-12-14T18:05:01 < Laurenceb> that means ~zero energy from the battery
2016-12-14T18:05:03 < Spirit532> charge it at the base
2016-12-14T18:05:08 < Spirit532> so you don't have a short
2016-12-14T18:05:13 < Spirit532> and keep it connected without anything
2016-12-14T18:05:19 < Spirit532> to maintain the voltage
2016-12-14T18:05:23 < Laurenceb> the only advantage of the polyfuse is it allows some more energy from the battery
2016-12-14T18:05:29 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-12-14T18:05:41 < Spirit532> I feel like you're just ignoring me
2016-12-14T18:05:52 < Laurenceb> well what I was considering was a fet to bypass the polyfuse when the power is first applied
2016-12-14T18:05:56 < Spirit532> yup
2016-12-14T18:05:58 < Spirit532> ignoring me
2016-12-14T18:06:16 < Laurenceb> but my original question was - will the polyfuse die very quickly
2016-12-14T18:06:18 < Laurenceb> lol sorry
2016-12-14T18:06:19 < Spirit532> yes
2016-12-14T18:06:21 < Spirit532> it will
2016-12-14T18:06:21 < karlp> you're new, and you were on a trip on "evil inductors" and "just use switched caps" :)
2016-12-14T18:06:23 < Laurenceb> thanks for the advice
2016-12-14T18:06:31 < TheSeven> where do you get that 30 ohm number from?
2016-12-14T18:06:36 < Spirit532> karlp, I'm not new to ##electronics
2016-12-14T18:06:39 < Spirit532> lol
2016-12-14T18:07:14 < Spirit532> and inductors are evil, you have to actually design something for every single project
2016-12-14T18:07:16 < Laurenceb> TheSeven: its enough to make worst case battery voltage drop minimal
2016-12-14T18:07:29 < Laurenceb> I'm just thinking worst case here
2016-12-14T18:07:32 < TheSeven> what prevents you from going higher?
2016-12-14T18:07:39 < Laurenceb> nothing
2016-12-14T18:07:45 < Laurenceb> just takes longer to charge
2016-12-14T18:07:49 < TheSeven> does that matter?
2016-12-14T18:07:51 < Laurenceb> I might want to fire twice
2016-12-14T18:08:00 < Laurenceb> there is a second pyro to abort the flight
2016-12-14T18:08:08 < Spirit532> how do you abort a flight?
2016-12-14T18:08:09 < Spirit532> lol
2016-12-14T18:08:12 < Laurenceb> boom
2016-12-14T18:08:19 < Spirit532> do you just stuff a kilo of powder in the nose?
2016-12-14T18:08:22 < Laurenceb> no
2016-12-14T18:08:40 < Laurenceb> you stuff it around the cord to the balloon envelope
2016-12-14T18:08:55 < Spirit532> but the balloon pops either way
2016-12-14T18:09:31 < TheSeven> Laurenceb: in theory you'd have headroom for 2 firings in the cap bank if the first one doesn't short (and if it does, you're dead anyway)
2016-12-14T18:09:56 < Laurenceb> if the first one shorts its disconnected after 400ms bythe firing fet
2016-12-14T18:10:40 < TheSeven> is overcurrent limited there in any way? how badly can it short?
2016-12-14T18:10:53 < TheSeven> those caps might blow the ass out of the fet :P
2016-12-14T18:11:02 < Laurenceb> sometimes the splosion fuses the wires
2016-12-14T18:11:06 < Laurenceb> hmm good point
2016-12-14T18:11:13 < Laurenceb> nvm there are two fets :P
2016-12-14T18:11:14 < karlp> Spirit532: does this look like hashashelectro? ;)
2016-12-14T18:11:23 < Spirit532> it does
2016-12-14T18:11:28 < TheSeven> if the FET fails short you'll have a problem though
2016-12-14T18:11:29 < Spirit532> just less people
2016-12-14T18:11:39 < Laurenceb> hmm good point
2016-12-14T18:12:02 < TheSeven> so if a fuse is adequate anywhere, it's probably in that path ;)
2016-12-14T18:12:08 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-12-14T18:12:54 < Spirit532> if you want to fire twice, keep two banks
2016-12-14T18:13:09 < TheSeven> that would probably be the most fail-safe option, yes
2016-12-14T18:13:12 < Spirit532> and again, just charge the capacitor at the launch, and switch it over to battery
2016-12-14T18:13:17 < Spirit532> so that it's charged during the flight
2016-12-14T18:13:32 < TheSeven> another option might be some trick to immediately cut off the FET if the drop across it becomes too larege
2016-12-14T18:13:34 < TheSeven> large*
2016-12-14T18:13:39 < Spirit532> that way you can be most certain about getting a fire
2016-12-14T18:13:47 < Laurenceb> I need to look at FET thermal performance
2016-12-14T18:13:52 < Spirit532> Laurenceb, you don't care
2016-12-14T18:13:59 < Spirit532> you're doing two short pew pews
2016-12-14T18:14:05 < Laurenceb> exactly
2016-12-14T18:14:10 < Spirit532> let the fets explode if they want 
2016-12-14T18:14:13 < Laurenceb> probably not enough energy to blow the fet
2016-12-14T18:14:34 < Spirit532> if it wants to blow up, it will
2016-12-14T18:14:52 < Spirit532> such high pulse currents won't be enough to sink it into the tab
2016-12-14T18:15:32 < TheSeven> ~30 joules in the caps - it all depends on how much time those are distributed across
2016-12-14T18:16:31 < TheSeven> what's the cap's ESR?
2016-12-14T18:16:45 < Laurenceb> 0.3 ohms
2016-12-14T18:16:45 < TheSeven> and the FET's RDSon?
2016-12-14T18:16:45 < Spirit532> his igniter current is going to be quite low too
2016-12-14T18:16:49 < Spirit532> less than an amp
2016-12-14T18:16:51 < TheSeven> per cap or total?
2016-12-14T18:16:53 < Laurenceb> depends ont he fet...
2016-12-14T18:17:26 < Laurenceb> hmm yeah a short could kill a sot-23 fet
2016-12-14T18:17:28 < Laurenceb> grrrr
2016-12-14T18:17:52 < TheSeven> if you want to be safe, solve it by just allowing for the fet to be killed
2016-12-14T18:17:53 < Spirit532> you're not shorting
2016-12-14T18:17:59 < Spirit532> and that
2016-12-14T18:18:04 < Spirit532> use two caps, two fets
2016-12-14T18:18:14 < Spirit532> you will get ignition if it dies
2016-12-14T18:18:14 < TheSeven> ...and 1k or higher charge resistor
2016-12-14T18:18:30 < Laurenceb> so much gpio...
2016-12-14T18:18:33 < Spirit532> wut
2016-12-14T18:18:36 < Spirit532> that's 2 gpio
2016-12-14T18:18:42 < TheSeven> which it would have been anyway
2016-12-14T18:18:44 < Laurenceb> 3 gpio per channel
2016-12-14T18:18:51 < Spirit532> that's not a lot
2016-12-14T18:18:52 < Laurenceb> there is continuity test as well
2016-12-14T18:18:55 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-12-14T18:19:01 < Spirit532> get a tqfp-100 package micro
2016-12-14T18:19:04 < Spirit532> and you're set
2016-12-14T18:19:06 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-12-14T18:19:10 < TheSeven> how does shared vs. split cap bank affect GPIO count?
2016-12-14T18:19:15 < TheSeven> there would be 2 igniters anyway
2016-12-14T18:19:30 < Spirit532> split cap bank makes it fail-safe
2016-12-14T18:19:32 < Spirit532> if igniter shorts
2016-12-14T18:19:35 < Spirit532> you still have a cap to abort
2016-12-14T18:19:40 < Laurenceb> TheSeven: double fet means more gpio
2016-12-14T18:19:56 < TheSeven> wouldn't you need double fet for two igniters anyway?
2016-12-14T18:19:59 < Spirit532> yes
2016-12-14T18:20:07 < Laurenceb> two fets per channel I mean
2016-12-14T18:20:11 < Spirit532> no
2016-12-14T18:20:14 < Spirit532> only one fet per channel
2016-12-14T18:20:21 < Laurenceb> ok...
2016-12-14T18:20:28 < TheSeven> what would the second one be for?
2016-12-14T18:20:29 < Spirit532> battery and cap in parallel
2016-12-14T18:20:34 < Spirit532> and then the fet for going to igniter
2016-12-14T18:20:38 < Laurenceb> oh I guess
2016-12-14T18:20:40 < TheSeven> fail-safe for the first to fail short just by itself?
2016-12-14T18:20:48 < Laurenceb> yes
2016-12-14T18:21:17 < TheSeven> so the plan was a shared "arm" FET and two finring fets?
2016-12-14T18:22:11 < Laurenceb> thats one idea
2016-12-14T18:22:25 < Spirit532> I'll draw you a full circuit tomorrow
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2016-12-14T18:22:30 < Spirit532> I need to sleep now
2016-12-14T18:22:30 < Spirit532> gn
2016-12-14T18:22:33 < Laurenceb> cya
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2016-12-14T18:25:44 < karlp> zyp: why do you do 16bit writes to flash ere: http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n122 without setting PSIZE to 16bits?
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2016-12-14T18:31:03 < Laurenceb> actually FETs do exist that would survive
2016-12-14T18:31:05 < Laurenceb> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/toshiba-semiconductor-and-storage/SSM3K123TU,LF/SSM3K123TULFCT-ND/2257798
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2016-12-14T18:50:32 < zyp> karlp, what PSIZE?
2016-12-14T18:51:09 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKF6nFzpHBU
2016-12-14T18:51:18 < karlp> hrm, ok, I guess I assumed it was f4 like some of your other projects, forgot that's probably an l0 project isn't it?
2016-12-14T18:51:45 < zyp> no, f3
2016-12-14T18:51:59 < zyp> and I just double checked f3 RM, flashing procedure states «Perform half-word write at the desired address»
2016-12-14T18:52:11 < zyp> so that would be why
2016-12-14T18:52:18 < karlp> yeah, either wya, exactly what the rm says, just use the right RM ;)
2016-12-14T18:52:43 < karlp> how does if(!(addr & (2048 - 1))) { work? I presume that's erasing the page the first time it enters a new page area, even if the writing will happen multiple times?
2016-12-14T18:53:05 < karlp> it only happens when addr ends up on 0xXXXX0000 right?
2016-12-14T18:53:13 < karlp> or, whatever 2048 is,
2016-12-14T18:53:19 < zyp> yes
2016-12-14T18:53:36 < karlp> so you rely on your flashing never trying to write a buffer that isn't nicely aligned until the final trailing write?
2016-12-14T18:54:14 < zyp> that's not a concern, flash is written word by word
2016-12-14T18:54:25 < zyp> I mean, half-word by half-word
2016-12-14T18:55:44 < zyp> keep in mind that erasing and writing are independent operations, erasing resets all bits in a page (to 1 usually), whereas writing only sets the desired bits (to the opposite state of erased state, i.e. 0)
2016-12-14T18:56:33 < zyp> you could erase a page, write a word to 0xfff0, rewrite it to 0xf0ff, and the end result would be 0xf0f0
2016-12-14T18:57:05 < zyp> at least for setups with plain NOR flash
2016-12-14T18:57:57 < zyp> the L series are a bit more complex since they have parity for each word, so the need for rewriting partity might fuck up that trick
2016-12-14T18:57:57 < karlp> right, but you only incremennt addr after doing a whole blok of user specified len, 
2016-12-14T18:58:35 < zyp> addr is used for initial value for dest, which is incremented per write
2016-12-14T18:58:59 < zyp> so addr is incremented every time it's used
2016-12-14T18:58:59 < karlp> oh, you restrict len == 64 in your hid layer :)
2016-12-14T18:59:09 < karlp> ok, that's where you ensure that it will correctly hit as it moves through.
2016-12-14T18:59:34 < zyp> ah, that, yeah
2016-12-14T18:59:50 < zyp> blocks needs to be a fraction of page size to work properly, yes
2016-12-14T19:01:33 < zyp> a better design would have the erase as part of the word loop
2016-12-14T19:02:08 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/cardio/tree/bootloader.cpp#n66 <- here's the l0 version, btw
2016-12-14T19:02:09 < karlp> just firing off an erase on the coming page/sector when it first lands there?
2016-12-14T19:02:54 < zyp> l0 requires word writes
2016-12-14T19:03:05 < zyp> and it's slow as fuck :)
2016-12-14T19:03:18 < karlp> l1 is "fast words" or half page.
2016-12-14T19:03:25 < karlp> and half page has to be done from sram or external mem
2016-12-14T19:03:37 < zyp> yeah, l0 is the same
2016-12-14T19:03:37  * karlp is poking the old idea of a modbus bootloader
2016-12-14T19:04:11 < Thorn> is usb core in f072 the same as in f103?
2016-12-14T19:04:20 < zyp> I concluded that the speed gain is not worth messing around putting the flashing routine in ram
2016-12-14T19:04:32 < zyp> Thorn, almost, it's an improved version
2016-12-14T19:05:05 < Thorn> is there any document that details the improvements?
2016-12-14T19:05:24 < karlp> hrm, 20k for app, guess that does allow me an 8k bootloader and still fit in the smallest l1....
2016-12-14T19:05:25 < zyp> the register interface is a superset, f072 got some extra registers, but the base registers still works as they did
2016-12-14T19:05:55 < zyp> and the peripheral memory block is mapped differently, so the code accessing that needs to be modified
2016-12-14T19:06:51 < Thorn> ok time to compare RMs I guess
2016-12-14T19:06:56 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/f1_usb_def.h http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/l0_usb_def.h
2016-12-14T19:07:02 < zyp> f1 = v1, l0 = v2
2016-12-14T19:07:37 < zyp> that's all that's different between them in my code
2016-12-14T19:08:00 < Thorn> so only 2 new registers
2016-12-14T19:08:17 < zyp> oh, and v2 got an internal D+ pullup, I think that's controlled by a bit in BCDR that you have to set
2016-12-14T19:08:41 < Thorn> why did they choose to break out otg_fs instead of otg_hs in f4 discovery
2016-12-14T19:08:44 < zyp> yeah, apart from the D+ pullup bit, the registers are not very interesting, unless you wanna mess with LPM
2016-12-14T19:09:12 < zyp> the messy part is the difference in the peripheral memory interface
2016-12-14T19:09:34 < zyp> see the buf-pointer
2016-12-14T19:10:15 < karlp> Thorn: doesn't matter, without an ULPI phy, it's in FS mode anyway...
2016-12-14T19:10:26 < zyp> on v1, the buffer is mapped to every other 16-bit addr, i.e. the lower 16 bits of a 32-bit bus
2016-12-14T19:10:32 < karlp> and for greater fun, the f429 board _does_ use the hs periph ;)
2016-12-14T19:10:33 < Thorn> karlp: more endpoints, more fifo ram, and dma
2016-12-14T19:10:38 < zyp> on v2, the buffer is mapped to every 16-bit addr
2016-12-14T19:10:55 < Thorn> yeah I finally noticed 16 vs 32
2016-12-14T19:11:18 < zyp> I felt I got away easy by just having to change the type there
2016-12-14T19:11:40 < zyp> IIRC libopencm3 does some offset calculation math that needed to be changed instead
2016-12-14T19:12:47 < Thorn> I've been looking at this huge changeset https://github.com/insane-adding-machines/unicore-mx/pull/12/files
2016-12-14T19:13:52 < zyp> ew, that looks like a mess
2016-12-14T19:13:57 < zyp> glad I'm not reviewing that
2016-12-14T19:14:05 < Thorn> it seems mostly dwc_otg related
2016-12-14T19:14:42 < zyp> changesets like that ought to be broken down into multiple commits
2016-12-14T19:15:13 < zyp> like the MMIO32() vs &MMIO32() change
2016-12-14T19:16:31 < Thorn> I wrote a simple (only 600 lines lol) dwc_otg driver that seems to work and I now want to support f072
2016-12-14T19:16:57 < Thorn> (I guess I should start with buying the 072 discovery)
2016-12-14T19:17:04 < Laurenceb> pcbway order arrived
2016-12-14T19:17:14 < Laurenceb> pcb quality is good, everything else is wrong
2016-12-14T19:17:27 < Thorn> is it mirrored?
2016-12-14T19:17:31 < Laurenceb> the board they repanelised now has no panels
2016-12-14T19:17:41 < Laurenceb> and the solder stencil is of the wrong side of the board
2016-12-14T19:17:46 < Laurenceb> junk
2016-12-14T19:17:54 < Laurenceb>  all my bucks wasted
2016-12-14T19:18:23 < Laurenceb> looks like the fucked with the layout then remade a stencil using the solder stop layer
2016-12-14T19:18:29 < Laurenceb> but got the sides mixed up
2016-12-14T19:19:17 < zyp> haha, wat
2016-12-14T19:19:30 < zyp> you only have parts on one side?
2016-12-14T19:19:37 < zyp> and got a stencil for the side without parts?
2016-12-14T19:19:47 < Laurenceb> correct
2016-12-14T19:19:59 < zyp> how the fuck does that happen
2016-12-14T19:20:00 < Laurenceb> well there are two parts on the other side
2016-12-14T19:20:08 < Laurenceb> not worth solder stenciling
2016-12-14T19:20:36 < Laurenceb> well I can use saw to cut out the failed panel as the boards are square
2016-12-14T19:20:42 < Laurenceb> then smtstencil.co.uk
2016-12-14T19:20:48 < Laurenceb> still overall a waste of money
2016-12-14T19:22:19 < Laurenceb> almost as derptastick as pcbtrain
2016-12-14T19:27:51 < Tectu> does anybody remember my my.st.com login credentials?
2016-12-14T19:28:10 < zyp> yes
2016-12-14T19:28:16 < Laurenceb> isuckgoats
2016-12-14T19:28:19 < Thorn> your browser might
2016-12-14T19:30:13 < Rob235> can you create ram in a fpga?
2016-12-14T19:30:46 < Thorn> there are RAM blocks and you can use LUTs as RAM in some fpgas
2016-12-14T19:31:41 < Thorn> if you're feeling masochistic you could use logic cells as ram, 1 bit per cell
2016-12-14T19:31:46 < Tectu> some/many/a_few/almost_all also come with DSP blocks
2016-12-14T19:32:48 < Rob235> how much
2016-12-14T19:32:54 < Tectu> thirteen
2016-12-14T19:32:59 < Rob235> hah
2016-12-14T19:33:12 < Tectu> nah c'mon man, that's like asking how many pins a microcontroller has :p
2016-12-14T19:33:16 < Rob235> like how much are the ram blocks usually, how much is usable?
2016-12-14T19:33:26 < Tectu> it really depends on how much money you put into it
2016-12-14T19:33:35 < Rob235> I see
2016-12-14T19:33:36 < Tectu> usually the fast dedicated memory comes with a couple of K
2016-12-14T19:33:40 < Tectu> eg. 64k
2016-12-14T19:34:37 < Rob235> is it possible to combine FPGAs to increase that number?
2016-12-14T19:34:38 < Tectu> note that the dev-boards usually contain the fattest FPGAs of their series containing the most LEs/LUTs and the most memory. This way they get you to implement crazy large stuff and then you have to purchase the more expensive FPGAs once you're design is done
2016-12-14T19:35:05 < Tectu> uhm... "an FPGA" is usually a chip, like a "microcontorller" is a chip. You can of course combine them, but that is not the "intended usage"
2016-12-14T19:35:15 < Thorn> there was an fpga in fpga project btw so that you can also use an fpga as an fpga
2016-12-14T19:35:17 < Rob235> I know, just wondering if you can
2016-12-14T19:35:30 < Rob235> if I needed a lot of fast memory
2016-12-14T19:35:45 < Thorn> add ddr3
2016-12-14T19:35:48 < Tectu> Rob235, you'd rather purchase an FPGA with moar of teh memory
2016-12-14T19:35:56 < Tectu> or that, yes.
2016-12-14T19:35:57 < Rob235> ok
2016-12-14T19:36:06 < Rob235> ddr3 is slower though right?
2016-12-14T19:36:09 < Tectu> but the internal stuff will always be way faster than anything you add externally
2016-12-14T19:36:13 < Rob235> right
2016-12-14T19:36:22 < Rob235> ok i'll have to look around thanks for the help
2016-12-14T19:36:37 < Laurenceb> lul Musk just joined team Trump
2016-12-14T19:36:58 < Laurenceb> bullshit artists confirmed
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2016-12-14T19:43:33 < Tectu> jesus that CubeMX thing is sooo slow, especially that clock tree thingy
2016-12-14T19:43:57 < Thorn> <Thorn> add ddr3
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2016-12-14T19:44:30 < Thorn> or 4 depending on your motherboard
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2016-12-14T19:51:56 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/c91nUebMsP8?t=2m37s
2016-12-14T19:54:35 < Steffanx> 4 with ecc
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2016-12-14T20:01:34 < Kliment> Tectu: Of course the dev boards have the largest part - you can run smaller applications on larger parts but not larger applications on smaller parts
2016-12-14T20:01:49 < Kliment> Tectu: So for evaluation purposes it makes sense to have the most capable device
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2016-12-14T20:06:08 < Steffanx> So anyone here ever did stm8? What tooling did he/she/it use?
2016-12-14T20:06:31 < Rob235> can you get like 4MB of DDR4 memory :)
2016-12-14T20:06:43 < Rob235> I'm only seeing 4GB :P
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2016-12-14T20:07:40 < Kliment> Steffanx: Talk to barometz 
2016-12-14T20:07:56 < Steffanx> Hi barometz :)
2016-12-14T20:08:23 < Steffanx> Iirc dongs and englishmen used it. But they are asleep
2016-12-14T20:09:39 < englishman> wut
2016-12-14T20:09:50 < englishman> is the new ugfx release on piratebay yet
2016-12-14T20:09:59 < englishman> im doing stm8 right now actually
2016-12-14T20:10:55 < Laurenceb> http://ugfx.io/overview
2016-12-14T20:10:56 < englishman> stvd+cosmic+stdperiphlib
2016-12-14T20:10:59 < Laurenceb> is dat some H7  ?
2016-12-14T20:11:20 < barometz> eh, mostly I just used the programmers, never actually wrote software for it
2016-12-14T20:11:53 < barometz> think I got the toolchain up and running far enough to get a blinking LED demo to work to verify a board wasn't dead, but that's all
2016-12-14T20:12:40 < Steffanx> But stvd looks like very ancient keil..
2016-12-14T20:12:46 < Steffanx> Is it useable?
2016-12-14T20:13:00 < englishman> already complaining and you havent even downloaded it yet?
2016-12-14T20:13:02 < englishman> it's great
2016-12-14T20:13:16 < englishman> nearly same debugging features as keil
2016-12-14T20:13:29 < englishman> and you use st-link's swim port, and since you already have an st-link, hey hey
2016-12-14T20:13:56 < Steffanx> Englishman, thank you
2016-12-14T20:14:40 < englishman> noprob
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2016-12-14T20:27:00 < Tectu> Kliment, of course it makes sense. I didn't say it because I think that it doesn't make sense. I just wanted to warn Rob235. You can buy a dev-board for 120 bucks and if you need to purchase that exact same FPGA at the end it's like 100 bucks (retail). It's just something people are often not aware of.  I don't blame the manufacturers for any wrong doing there
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2016-12-14T20:27:24 < Kliment> Tectu: It's the same with the disco boards
2016-12-14T20:27:31 < Kliment> Tectu: They're cheaper than their BOM
2016-12-14T20:27:52 < Tectu> yes, I'm aware of that :)
2016-12-14T20:28:03 < Tectu> and it makes sense, of course.
2016-12-14T20:30:20 < englishman> Steffanx: stm8 content https://i.sli.mg/v1cL47.jpg
2016-12-14T20:31:53 < Tectu> dongs, ping
2016-12-14T20:32:07 < englishman> he's asleep for sure
2016-12-14T20:32:10 < englishman> 330am
2016-12-14T20:32:16 < Tectu> Steffanx, I have a friend that used STM8 in a serious commercial/industrial project. I can ask.
2016-12-14T20:32:28 < Tectu> englishman, thx. I hate those timezones
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2016-12-14T20:45:11 < englishman> bvernoux: just got a quote from real white people for stm32f405rg, $5.1usd for qty160
2016-12-14T20:45:51 < bvernoux> yes for 160
2016-12-14T20:45:59 < bvernoux> not for 1 unit
2016-12-14T20:46:12 < bvernoux> best price are at FutureElec
2016-12-14T20:46:20 < englishman> hey, that's who quoted me
2016-12-14T20:46:26 < englishman> far cry from $20
2016-12-14T20:46:37 < bvernoux> 20USD is extreme case from Farnell
2016-12-14T20:46:45 < bvernoux> only crazy people will buy it here
2016-12-14T20:46:48 < bvernoux> at that price
2016-12-14T20:46:54 < englishman> i tend to avoid UKers on principle
2016-12-14T20:47:01 < englishman> usually turns out for the bes
2016-12-14T20:47:02 < englishman> t
2016-12-14T20:47:09 < upgrdman> do for pro LCD modules, the interface tends to be MIPI-DSI for smallish screen, and eDP for big ones, right?
2016-12-14T20:47:56 < upgrdman> s/do/so
2016-12-14T20:59:19 < ReadErr> Tectu: 
2016-12-14T20:59:22 < ReadErr> fyi
2016-12-14T20:59:24 < ReadErr> ur site
2016-12-14T20:59:27 < ReadErr> register to dl
2016-12-14T20:59:30 < ReadErr> LAME
2016-12-14T21:03:58 < Steffanx> Tectu, i trurst mr englishman for his professional opinion.
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2016-12-14T21:14:01 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/q9kdHTy.jpg
2016-12-14T21:17:28 < Steffanx> What's the stm8 doing in there englishman? Backlight controll stuff?
2016-12-14T21:19:15 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/MdcoGGO.jpg
2016-12-14T21:20:00 < englishman> Steffanx: also usb-c stuff
2016-12-14T21:20:12 < Steffanx> stm8 and usb-c?
2016-12-14T21:22:09 < Laurenceb> found the answer to my earlier question
2016-12-14T21:22:10 < Laurenceb> http://i.stack.imgur.com/NVmCE.jpg
2016-12-14T21:22:12 < rene-dev> Hi, anyone ever had any issues with lto? Problem is, with lto on, my DMA1 TC IRQ only gets called once.
2016-12-14T21:22:14 < Laurenceb>  >>1k cycles
2016-12-14T21:23:02 < rene-dev> but strange thing is, it does work when I disable any 2 streams on DMA1. Im not using DMA1, has not even got rcc clock...
2016-12-14T21:23:24 < englishman> Steffanx: yes it just controls the usb-c port controller thing. and some power routing
2016-12-14T21:24:22 < Steffanx> oh, ok.
2016-12-14T21:25:00 < KreAture_> hrjr
2016-12-14T21:51:01 < kakimir> hello pump crew
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2016-12-14T21:52:45 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/OXgEu8.jpg
2016-12-14T21:55:20 < kakimir> I saw an anarchist yesterday in our little town
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2016-12-14T21:56:30 < kakimir> I thought dey went extinction after the anarco / punk boom of 90's and early 2000s
2016-12-14T21:59:18 < kakimir> had nice uniform and posture
2016-12-14T22:45:56 < kakimir> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gHochdce/irccloudcapture-1320676838.jpg
2016-12-14T22:46:00 < kakimir> pcb portn
2016-12-14T22:46:14 < kakimir> pronz
2016-12-14T22:46:36 < kakimir> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZjnBND2U/irccloudcapture-236812244.jpg
2016-12-14T22:46:43 < Fleck> awesome kakimir! :)
2016-12-14T22:46:48 < Fleck> btw hello!
2016-12-14T22:48:09 < ReadErr> jeeze how thick is that copper
2016-12-14T22:48:10 < ReadErr> oz
2016-12-14T22:48:33 < kakimir> it says on board that it's AWG12
2016-12-14T22:48:45 < kakimir> or is it the hole size?
2016-12-14T22:49:01 < kakimir> probably
2016-12-14T22:49:25 < upgrdman_> lol <jadew> http://i.imgur.com/MdcoGGO.jpg
2016-12-14T22:55:34 < Steffanx> Pron.. not at all. It's ugly kakimir :P
2016-12-14T22:57:28 < kakimir> it is
2016-12-14T22:59:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QNiZfSsPc0 innovation
2016-12-14T23:00:24 < kakimir> gettind rid of expensive mechanical and other types of switches?
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2016-12-14T23:06:51 < kakimir> as they tried to do with touch displays with success
2016-12-14T23:07:11 < kakimir> partial success*
2016-12-14T23:09:12 < kakimir> my guru gave an insight to touch screen technology by saying that touch screen is a keyboard of time of shortage
2016-12-14T23:12:10 < Steffanx> can you repeat that in a way i understand it?
2016-12-14T23:12:23 < Steffanx> especially "touch screen is a keyboard of time of shortage" => ??
2016-12-14T23:13:13 < kakimir> when there is a lack of something and you substitute something with something else
2016-12-14T23:18:06 < Steffanx> Uhm.. Whatever. 
2016-12-14T23:20:37 < kakimir> you didn't get it
2016-12-14T23:21:10 < Steffanx> It doesnt make sense to me no.
2016-12-14T23:21:58 < kakimir> he is a bit old schooler thought
2016-12-14T23:22:25 < Steffanx> Its just stupid.. 
2016-12-14T23:23:01 < Steffanx> There wasnt lack of a keyboard.. They just added a touchscreen and got rid of the keyboard
2016-12-14T23:23:17 < Steffanx> For most phones that is
2016-12-14T23:23:48 < kakimir> keyboards, buttons, switches got pretty good at some point and suddenly there was ODC to everything to be operated with shitty early touchscreens
2016-12-14T23:24:42 < kakimir> laggy, hopeless interfaces instead of flawless mechanical switch based interfaces
2016-12-14T23:25:13 < kakimir> bad touch sensitivity and calibration
2016-12-14T23:26:00 < Steffanx> One can say that about so many innovations
2016-12-14T23:28:52 < kakimir> in many applications mechanical switch based interface control is just ultimate route to swift operation and easiest-cheapest development of interface
2016-12-14T23:29:37 < zyp> really depends on the implementation
2016-12-14T23:33:08 < Steffanx> I didnt own many devices with crappy touch screens, but for like navigation it was pretty handy
2016-12-14T23:33:15 < Steffanx> Even when crappy
2016-12-14T23:35:09 < Steffanx> Or even some old pda
2016-12-14T23:35:58 < kakimir> he must have ment more like industrial interfaces and stuff where they went from perfectly fine keyboard, mechanical switch interfaces to zero button overnigth
2016-12-14T23:36:14 < kakimir> just because
2016-12-14T23:40:44 < ReadErr> kakimir: you cuck
2016-12-14T23:40:45 < ReadErr> https://www.reddit.com/r/electronics/comments/5i9wxd/i_just_received_my_20_ounce_pcb_soldering_is/
2016-12-14T23:40:55 < ReadErr> 20oz
2016-12-14T23:43:26 < aandrew> 20oz copper, good god
2016-12-14T23:43:38 < Steffanx> DC/DC block for a F1 car yay
2016-12-14T23:43:56 < Steffanx> copy paste fail: Formale E
2016-12-14T23:43:59 < Steffanx> *formula
2016-12-14T23:44:08 < kakimir> 14volts..
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2016-12-14T23:44:16 < kakimir> what are dey doing wrong?
2016-12-14T23:45:00 < kakimir> 150amperes of 14volts
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2016-12-14T23:53:15 < Kliment> kakimir: I can tell you why industrial interfaces went to touchscreens
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2016-12-14T23:54:39 < zyp> ReadErr, that would be perfect for Tectu 
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2016-12-15T00:00:39 < zyp> kakimir, «the side that you're looking at has -450V / 0 / +450V traces. The other side has 14V @ 150A and 24V @ 80A.»
2016-12-15T00:01:35 < zyp> so it's a step down from the traction system to the low voltage system
2016-12-15T00:01:46 < zyp> the EV equivalent of the alternator in a regular car
2016-12-15T00:02:04 < zyp> any EV got one
2016-12-15T00:05:41 < Rob235> how would a hobbyist go about getting a bga (or something similar) soldered on a board?
2016-12-15T00:05:57 < BrainDamage> very carefully
2016-12-15T00:06:29 < BrainDamage> but the answer is: hot air station or much preferrably reflow oven
2016-12-15T00:06:38 < BrainDamage> the problem isn't the soldering per se
2016-12-15T00:06:55 < BrainDamage> it's that you don't have the possibility to visually inspect for faults
2016-12-15T00:07:00 < zyp> pff
2016-12-15T00:07:11 < BrainDamage> ofc you can just yolo it
2016-12-15T00:07:35 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QYhd6.JPG <- just take a peek from the side
2016-12-15T00:07:36 < Rob235> maybe I should look at video or something because I assumed it couldn't be done by hand
2016-12-15T00:07:36 < zyp> :p
2016-12-15T00:08:05 < Rob235> xilinx chips are so limit with their lqfp packages
2016-12-15T00:08:16 < Rob235> limited*
2016-12-15T00:08:28 < zyp> Rob235, if you're capable of stenciling paste and reflowing, coarse pitch bga is easy as fuck
2016-12-15T00:08:42 < Rob235> I've never done anything like this
2016-12-15T00:08:52 < zyp> how do you assemble shit then?
2016-12-15T00:08:54 < upgrdman_> this is supposedly the lcd on the f469disco board. http://www.dongbond.com/UploadFiles/2013/11/22163859391AB409.pdf ..... theirs a lcd company called DongBond. lol.
2016-12-15T00:08:55 < Rob235> and I don't have equipment
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2016-12-15T00:09:25 < Rob235> zyp: the only thing I've done is my drone with a stm32f4 disco
2016-12-15T00:09:56 < zyp> then you should probably learn how to reflow boards before trying bga
2016-12-15T00:10:09 < BrainDamage> ^
2016-12-15T00:10:19 < Rob235> grr
2016-12-15T00:10:26 < zyp> not because bga is harder, but with other packages you at least see how you fucked up
2016-12-15T00:10:37 < ReadErr> im upset @ Tectu 
2016-12-15T00:10:40 < Rob235> the only lqfp package has 576Kb memory
2016-12-15T00:10:44 < ReadErr> for his register to download example website
2016-12-15T00:12:35 < Rob235> vhdl or verilog
2016-12-15T00:13:07 < Tectu> vim or emacs
2016-12-15T00:13:14 < Tectu> ReadErr, sup?
2016-12-15T00:13:24 < ReadErr> well
2016-12-15T00:13:29 < ReadErr> yesterday I was brainstorming
2016-12-15T00:13:36 < ReadErr> looked for ssd1306 chibios 
2016-12-15T00:13:43 < ReadErr> came across your site first hit
2016-12-15T00:13:58 < ReadErr> then realized, to download said example
2016-12-15T00:14:01 < ReadErr> I had to register 
2016-12-15T00:14:08 < ReadErr> dont be atmel!
2016-12-15T00:14:53 < Tectu> F5
2016-12-15T00:15:30 < ReadErr> yaaay
2016-12-15T00:17:42 < ReadErr> hmm this dont look half bad
2016-12-15T00:18:22 < ReadErr> altho the code in .h files seems odd
2016-12-15T00:18:41 < Tectu> can you be more specific?
2016-12-15T00:19:50 < ReadErr> board_SSD1306.h
2016-12-15T00:20:01 < englishman> hey guise how do you like my home DIY PCB etching https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZjnBND2U/irccloudcapture-236812244.jpg
2016-12-15T00:20:16 < englishman> what is reddit? who is kakimir? i have no idea
2016-12-15T00:21:27 < Tectu> ReadErr, what seems odd to you there? That board file is where you tell ugfx how to talk to the display controller
2016-12-15T00:21:40 < ReadErr> just used to codes being in .c files I guess
2016-12-15T00:22:29 < BrainDamage> Rob235: verilog is an abomination
2016-12-15T00:22:45 < Rob235> good to know
2016-12-15T00:22:59 < Tectu> ReadErr, you might want to upgrade from ugfx 2.4 to 2.7. You should be able to just replace the directory and recompile.
2016-12-15T00:23:25 < ReadErr> but as far as interfacing and formatting txt on the LCD it looks gr8
2016-12-15T00:23:30 < BrainDamage> vhdl is hard to wrap you head around being inspired from ada, but at last vhdl does represent decently the underlying logic and prolem
2016-12-15T00:23:45 < BrainDamage> verilog instead is more "c-ish" paradigm
2016-12-15T00:24:01 < Tectu> ReadErr, glad to hear that
2016-12-15T00:24:02 < ReadErr> vhdl was my least fav thing I had to do in college
2016-12-15T00:24:21 < Tectu> I prefer vhdl over verilog
2016-12-15T00:24:24 < ReadErr> the IDE sucked
2016-12-15T00:25:38 < Tectu> time for some sleep, cu folks!
2016-12-15T00:26:05 < Rob235> later
2016-12-15T00:27:02 < ReadErr> cya
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2016-12-15T00:32:28 < upgrdman_> those arm debug ribbon cables (10 pin, 1.27mm pitch IDC) ... anyone know if mouse or digikey has any long ones? i see some 6" ones. kinda want 12" or 24" or 36"
2016-12-15T00:33:54 < ReadErr> mouser + adafruit
2016-12-15T00:33:56 < ReadErr> iirc
2016-12-15T00:33:56 < fenugrec> upgrdman_ old IDE HDD cable  ? heh
2016-12-15T00:34:04 < upgrdman_> fenugrec, those are 2.54mm pitch
2016-12-15T00:34:08 < fenugrec> oop
2016-12-15T00:34:19 < ReadErr> I think the adafruit one isnt that long though
2016-12-15T00:34:29 < upgrdman_> ya i have two of those aidafruit ones from mouser
2016-12-15T00:34:32 < upgrdman_> they 6"ish
2016-12-15T00:34:57 < ReadErr> chain gang em
2016-12-15T00:35:10 < englishman> seriously upgrdman_ 
2016-12-15T00:35:15 < englishman> are you going to ask us to search digikey for you
2016-12-15T00:35:23 < upgrdman_> englishman, i did search
2016-12-15T00:35:24 < englishman> SAM8779-ND
2016-12-15T00:35:31 < upgrdman_> couldnt find any long ones
2016-12-15T00:35:49 < englishman> is that long enough for you?
2016-12-15T00:35:57 < upgrdman_> shit, 6'. nice!
2016-12-15T00:36:00 < upgrdman_> thanks bro
2016-12-15T00:36:05 < ReadErr> upgrdman likes em long
2016-12-15T00:36:10 < englishman> FFSD-05-S-24.00-01-N-ND is 24"
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2016-12-15T00:39:00 < englishman> is there a lmgtfy for digikey
2016-12-15T00:44:13 < upgrdman_> can the official stlink util save firmware from unlocked mcus? is it just connect, then file > save as ?
2016-12-15T00:56:14 < karlp> iirc it can read too,
2016-12-15T00:56:23 < karlp> save region as bin and all that
2016-12-15T00:56:31 < karlp> even provides a weird excel style cell view of memory contents 
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2016-12-15T01:04:30 < kakimir> snprintf(printbuffer, BUFFERSIZE,"String contents: %s\n", strings[i]);//Print contents of a string
2016-12-15T01:05:03 < kakimir> why this doens't print out "String contents: " part of the string?
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2016-12-15T01:11:18 < stvn> good morning steffan
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2016-12-15T01:44:54 < englishman> ha, my dp cables weren't good enough for this panel
2016-12-15T01:46:33 < englishman> such dixels wow
2016-12-15T01:48:00 < englishman> hello stvn https://i.sli.mg/XD0Iuu.jpg
2016-12-15T01:56:30 < ReadErr> wat panel is dat
2016-12-15T01:57:08 < ReadErr> englishman: u should try smoking some boneless chicken thighs
2016-12-15T01:57:14 < ReadErr> they are most excellent 
2016-12-15T01:57:28 < englishman> they are hard to light but once you get em going, can confirm: high as fuck
2016-12-15T01:57:58 < ReadErr> def need a torch lighter
2016-12-15T01:58:01 < ReadErr> bic wont cut it
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2016-12-15T02:00:40 < stvn> 2016-12-15T01:48:00 < englishman> hello stvn https://i.sli.mg/XD0Iuu.jpg
2016-12-15T02:00:42 < stvn> ty
2016-12-15T02:01:04 < englishman> np
2016-12-15T02:01:12 < stvn> whats new in the shop mate
2016-12-15T02:01:31 < englishman> nm just hangin out https://i.sli.mg/TQmAbZ.jpg
2016-12-15T02:01:46 < stvn> the dong castle mate
2016-12-15T02:02:14 < stvn> got some powered speaker in the shop, apparently the LED illuminated logo badge flickers rofl
2016-12-15T02:02:42 < englishman> hey stvn
2016-12-15T02:02:43 < englishman> audio question
2016-12-15T02:02:51 < stvn> yes
2016-12-15T02:02:58 < englishman> i have a computer in one room in which i play my bootleg black market japanese imported wubstep
2016-12-15T02:03:07 < stvn> that's heaps sick
2016-12-15T02:03:09 < englishman> but i want to hear this music in the other room, which also has computers
2016-12-15T02:03:14 < stvn> even better
2016-12-15T02:03:24 < stvn> is this a question or a story ;P
2016-12-15T02:03:24 < englishman> what is best way to do music in both rooms without lag or running any wires
2016-12-15T02:03:34 < ReadErr> chromecast audio
2016-12-15T02:03:35 < upgrdman_> bluetooth audio?
2016-12-15T02:03:46 < ReadErr> they was on sale for 25$
2016-12-15T02:03:49 < englishman> but then, dont i have to select audio output device
2016-12-15T02:03:50 < ReadErr> maybe still r
2016-12-15T02:03:52 < englishman> and i only get one room
2016-12-15T02:03:58 < stvn> i just plug it in bro
2016-12-15T02:04:00 < BrainDamage> what os?
2016-12-15T02:04:04 < englishman> windows
2016-12-15T02:04:12 < upgrdman_> y-harness -> speakers AND bt audio tx
2016-12-15T02:04:40 < upgrdman_> might be some milliseconds delay with the by audio tho. but very little
2016-12-15T02:04:46 < ReadErr> wouldnt you need something to configure delay?
2016-12-15T02:04:51 < upgrdman_> no
2016-12-15T02:04:55 < englishman> bt audio with 1/8" input?
2016-12-15T02:05:01 < upgrdman_> ya
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2016-12-15T02:06:19 < stvn> i'd just run 4mm^2 speaker cables to each room
2016-12-15T02:06:25 < stvn> because you know
2016-12-15T02:06:27 < stvn> autism
2016-12-15T02:06:37 < upgrdman_> ya me to. simple.
2016-12-15T02:06:44 < englishman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-In-1-Wireless-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Receiver-A2DP-Stereo-Audio-Music-Adapter-/201688882824
2016-12-15T02:06:45 < upgrdman_> maybe not 4mm^2 tho
2016-12-15T02:06:45 < englishman> easy enough
2016-12-15T02:06:50 < stvn> :3
2016-12-15T02:06:57 < englishman> i already pulled a mile of cat6 not pulling anymore
2016-12-15T02:07:04 < englishman> i can just use extra cat6 as speaker wire
2016-12-15T02:07:04 < stvn> i pull all the time
2016-12-15T02:07:08 < stvn> lul
2016-12-15T02:07:14 < stvn> i've seen people do that for 100v line
2016-12-15T02:07:18 < stvn> pisser mate
2016-12-15T02:07:19 < ReadErr> gonna sound like shit
2016-12-15T02:07:23 < ReadErr> not oxygen free gold plated
2016-12-15T02:07:24 < englishman> but, shielding
2016-12-15T02:07:26 < englishman> jitter
2016-12-15T02:07:27 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-15T02:07:28 < englishman> twister pear
2016-12-15T02:07:30 < stvn> lul
2016-12-15T02:08:20 < sync> cat5 is best quality speaker wire
2016-12-15T02:08:52 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-15T02:09:00 < stvn> especially the chinese stuff with no copper in it
2016-12-15T02:09:24 < stvn> 1ohm/metre
2016-12-15T02:09:24 < englishman> it has locking connectors so you can pull all your dj kip off the table
2016-12-15T02:09:36 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-15T02:09:57 < stvn> 32amp neutrik powercon connectors are a must for your 30w 5.1 system
2016-12-15T02:10:41 < sync> well obv not super shit cable, but even good cable is cheap
2016-12-15T02:12:04 < stvn> biscuit tins
2016-12-15T02:12:48 < englishman> stvn: i noticed you namedropped pkunzip last nite
2016-12-15T02:12:52 < englishman> i had flashbacks
2016-12-15T02:12:53 < englishman> f u
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2016-12-15T02:13:13 < stvn> yes
2016-12-15T02:13:26 < englishman> go play commander keen and blast midi thru your AWE32
2016-12-15T02:13:36 < stvn> ARJ files mate
2016-12-15T02:13:44 < stvn> cummander keen
2016-12-15T02:14:00 < stvn> john carmack's autistic rastering ploy
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2016-12-15T02:31:37 < aandrew> oh man commander keen
2016-12-15T02:31:38 < aandrew> and ARJ
2016-12-15T02:31:46 < aandrew> jesus blast me back to my teens why don't you
2016-12-15T02:34:18  * stvn passes the bong
2016-12-15T02:39:12 < Laurenceb_> john carmack, defeated by his own autism
2016-12-15T02:40:02 < stvn> wb Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-15T02:41:04 < Laurenceb_> https://web.archive.org/web/20161214033007/http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38305412
2016-12-15T02:41:09 < Laurenceb_>  MP for /pol/
2016-12-15T02:41:26 < stvn> hmmm
2016-12-15T02:41:43 < stvn> dunno if i should click that mr.b
2016-12-15T02:43:39 < stvn> https://twitter.com/ARMEmbedded
2016-12-15T02:53:08 < stvn> Laurenceb_, do you know ARM triggers people?
2016-12-15T02:59:52 < Laurenceb_> lul cool
2016-12-15T03:05:39 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-15T03:05:50 < stvn> life's good
2016-12-15T03:06:40 < Laurenceb_> damn syrian rebels are making spin stabilised rockets
2016-12-15T03:06:55 < Laurenceb_> looks like they balance then on some sort of rig
2016-12-15T03:06:57 < stvn> better send trump in
2016-12-15T03:07:43 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMaIDdKGAfo
2016-12-15T03:07:54 < Laurenceb_> what I based my rockoon on
2016-12-15T03:07:57 < Laurenceb_> scaled down a lot
2016-12-15T03:08:47 < stvn> cool
2016-12-15T03:09:05 < stvn> the innovation
2016-12-15T03:10:05 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eok8hsMMTgs
2016-12-15T03:10:10 < Laurenceb_> holy shit the top comment
2016-12-15T03:10:15 < Laurenceb_> literally ISIS
2016-12-15T03:10:39 < stvn> yeah what a pumper
2016-12-15T03:11:10 < Laurenceb_> TIL that ISIS is organised via youtube comments
2016-12-15T03:11:16 < Laurenceb_> suddenly everything makes sense
2016-12-15T03:11:21 < stvn> i see
2016-12-15T03:11:27 < stvn> empowered by google
2016-12-15T03:11:30 < stvn> thanks americunts
2016-12-15T03:11:52 < Laurenceb_> lul hopefully they wont mind me cloning their favourite weapon
2016-12-15T03:12:22 < Laurenceb_> badly needs guidance
2016-12-15T03:12:45 < ReadErr> https://gfycat.com/EvenLavishFulmar
2016-12-15T03:12:57 < stvn> mm
2016-12-15T03:13:02 < Laurenceb_> I am expert and I have bieng in combat zone for many years.
2016-12-15T03:13:04 < Laurenceb_> lul no shit
2016-12-15T03:13:10 < Laurenceb_> not sure about the expert part tho
2016-12-15T03:13:22 < stvn> hmm
2016-12-15T03:14:56 < ReadErr> what makes you think that commenter is ISIS?
2016-12-15T03:14:58 < Laurenceb_> youtube comments are always even more insane than you expect
2016-12-15T03:15:09 < Laurenceb_> ReadErr: erm the flag...
2016-12-15T03:15:11 < Laurenceb_> herp derp
2016-12-15T03:15:32 < ReadErr> oh right, cuz i myself couldnt do that
2016-12-15T03:15:54 < Laurenceb_> well do it in UK and you are in jail for 10 years
2016-12-15T03:15:58 < stvn> lol
2016-12-15T03:16:04 < Laurenceb_>  "terrorist symbol"
2016-12-15T03:16:09 < stvn> cucked hey
2016-12-15T03:16:13 < stvn> this world has been cucked
2016-12-15T03:16:18 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-12-15T03:17:08 < stvn> what to do today
2016-12-15T03:19:19 < englishman> Laurenceb_: some isis recruiters on facebook made the news here last week
2016-12-15T03:19:37 < englishman> they literally told someone (translated from arabic) "put down the chicken fingers and come jihad with us bro"
2016-12-15T03:19:46 < englishman> you know they said tendies
2016-12-15T03:19:49 < englishman> you know it
2016-12-15T03:20:13 < Laurenceb_> oh wow
2016-12-15T03:20:36 < Laurenceb_> now I know why there is always a pro ISIS thread on /pol/
2016-12-15T03:21:03 < ReadErr> r u close to cashing out ur GBP for tendies Laurenceb_ ??
2016-12-15T03:21:41 < stvn> lol
2016-12-15T03:21:44 < Laurenceb_> probably
2016-12-15T03:22:20 < stvn> pioneer website is down today, no firmware update for me
2016-12-15T03:23:35 < englishman> i cant wait to upgrade http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Professional/Pro-Video/DVD-V8000
2016-12-15T03:23:37 < englishman> such innovations
2016-12-15T03:23:49 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctirIlbRpTw
2016-12-15T03:24:40 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/oAvfG getting there
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2016-12-15T03:27:07 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/CleetusBocefus/with_replies
2016-12-15T03:27:14 < Laurenceb_> wtf is this
2016-12-15T03:31:08 < Laurenceb_> looks like they are serious about this
2016-12-15T03:31:09 < Laurenceb_> https://www.amazon.com/b?node=8037720011
2016-12-15T03:31:25 < Laurenceb_> still retarded quadcopter design and guy with YUGE garden
2016-12-15T03:31:53 < stvn> ah fucken sweet, warranty job has a drink in it, charge and return to customer.
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2016-12-15T03:36:53  * stvn upgrades upgrdman 
2016-12-15T03:41:34 < dongs> Tectu, pong
2016-12-15T03:41:36 < dongs> also it was 3am
2016-12-15T03:42:05  * Laurenceb_ is reading the unibomber manifesto
2016-12-15T03:42:08 < Laurenceb_> good read tbh
2016-12-15T03:42:35 < Laurenceb_> pity he would prob kill me on sight irl
2016-12-15T03:42:39 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-15T03:42:48 < Thorn> read elliot rodgers manifesto next
2016-12-15T03:42:52 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2016-12-15T03:42:55 < stvn> i did its fucking hilarious
2016-12-15T03:43:03 < stvn> well skimmed over it
2016-12-15T03:43:04 < dongs> Steffanx: yea stvd is pretty great
2016-12-15T03:43:11 < stvn> stvn?
2016-12-15T03:43:15 < Laurenceb_> www.1000manifestos.com/
2016-12-15T03:43:19 < dongs> no, stvn is a faggot
2016-12-15T03:43:24 < stvn> thanks senpai
2016-12-15T03:43:38 < dongs> ^_-
2016-12-15T03:44:37 < Laurenceb_> lul that site only has "positive" manifestos
2016-12-15T03:44:39 < Laurenceb_> booo
2016-12-15T03:45:06 < Laurenceb_> http://kunsthallezurich.ch/sites/default/files/scum_manifesto.pdf
2016-12-15T03:45:10 < Laurenceb_> thats more like it
2016-12-15T03:45:35 < Laurenceb_> lul intro sentence, literally female elliot rodgers
2016-12-15T03:48:11 < stvn> hmm
2016-12-15T03:50:07 < dongs> can I configure AF pins as IPD or IPU?
2016-12-15T03:50:27 < dongs> will it make use of that setting when configuring AF? (f4)
2016-12-15T03:50:55 < Thorn> afaik no
2016-12-15T03:50:59 < englishman> dongs check out my clonez https://i.sli.mg/v1cL47.jpg
2016-12-15T03:51:16 < Thorn> AF overrides all other settings except perhaps speed
2016-12-15T03:51:22 < Thorn> I think
2016-12-15T03:51:42 < englishman> hmm, yeah why can't you do af + ipd
2016-12-15T03:51:46 < englishman> or ipu
2016-12-15T03:51:49 < englishman> to make i2c work etc
2016-12-15T03:52:19 < dongs> i2c is OD, and I think AF handles that 
2016-12-15T03:53:07 < englishman> yeah, but, you can od + pu
2016-12-15T03:53:13 < englishman> to hack i2c in to working if you cock up
2016-12-15T03:53:22 < englishman> i think even f1 does this?
2016-12-15T03:54:17 < englishman> hmm maybe all except f1
2016-12-15T03:54:36 < Laurenceb_> you can
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2016-12-15T03:54:47 < Laurenceb_> at least on f1
2016-12-15T03:55:08 < Laurenceb_> well it works in i2c mode anyways
2016-12-15T03:55:24 < Laurenceb_> when you enable IPU
2016-12-15T03:56:22 < Laurenceb_> holy shit the Elliot Rodgers manifesto is brilliant
2016-12-15T03:56:28 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling
2016-12-15T03:57:28 < Laurenceb_>  "my father, Peter Rodger, was only 26 when he impregnated my mother"
2016-12-15T03:57:50 < Laurenceb_> possibly the most autistic thing ever written
2016-12-15T03:58:29 < stvn> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hH29WFUskK4/sddefault.jpg
2016-12-15T03:58:32 < stvn> this is better
2016-12-15T03:59:16 < Laurenceb_> heh looks like moar epicness awaits me later on
2016-12-15T04:00:19 < stvn> tfw no gf
2016-12-15T04:00:38 < englishman> https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/14/yahoo-discloses-hack-of-1-billion-accounts/
2016-12-15T04:00:45 < englishman> yahoo has 1 billion accounts
2016-12-15T04:00:47 < englishman> thats the news
2016-12-15T04:00:52 < stvn> true
2016-12-15T04:01:07 < englishman> news released after trading closed today
2016-12-15T04:01:08 < stvn> billion mate
2016-12-15T04:01:16 < englishman> what would $YHOO do
2016-12-15T04:01:23 < stvn> eat a fat dick
2016-12-15T04:01:39 < stvn> bon appetit
2016-12-15T04:01:41 < Laurenceb_> I don't believe it
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2016-12-15T04:01:51 < Laurenceb_> maybe fake to make them look popular
2016-12-15T04:02:15 < Laurenceb_> holy shit this manifesto is getting epically boring
2016-12-15T04:02:29 < Laurenceb_> just hurry up and kill ppl already, I dont care about your boring life
2016-12-15T04:02:30 < stvn> sure ED has you covered on the best parts
2016-12-15T04:02:55 < Laurenceb_> I like how he calls it "my twisted world"
2016-12-15T04:03:35 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-15T04:04:42 < stvn> would have been better if they got him alive
2016-12-15T04:05:12 < Laurenceb_> no, then we would have to listen to this stupid shit in court
2016-12-15T04:05:15 < englishman> Laurenceb_: talking about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings ?
2016-12-15T04:05:22 < Laurenceb_> theres quite enough in the pdf
2016-12-15T04:05:23 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-12-15T04:05:23 < stvn> yes
2016-12-15T04:05:25 < englishman> was this the guy that said 'dont go to skool some of you are ok; ?
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2016-12-15T04:07:06 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz-AW6Gd6_U
2016-12-15T04:07:17 < Laurenceb_> OH MY GOD
2016-12-15T04:07:31 < Laurenceb_> I just realised there are 141 pages of this crap
2016-12-15T04:07:44 < Laurenceb_> ok thats quite enough by page 2
2016-12-15T04:08:10 < Laurenceb_> I will never discover the pure, concentrated autism that lies inside
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2016-12-15T04:13:40 < stvn> you've got enough time
2016-12-15T04:15:17 < Laurenceb_> maybe its infectious
2016-12-15T04:15:35 < Laurenceb_> if you actually bother to read it all you catch autism and become a serial killer
2016-12-15T04:16:32 < stvn> yeah hence i didn't
2016-12-15T04:19:55 < stvn> i'm on IRC so that's definitely tippin me towards the spectrum
2016-12-15T04:22:24 < stvn> it's fucken great
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2016-12-15T04:27:36 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2016-12-15T04:32:11 < stvn> the pumper's den
2016-12-15T04:34:25 < Laurenceb_> The more lonely I felt, the more angry I because, even after the release of the new WoW expansion
2016-12-15T04:34:39 < Laurenceb_> the stereotypes write themselves
2016-12-15T04:34:56 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/l7nfs9Z.jpg
2016-12-15T04:35:01  * Laurenceb_ wonders about feeding it into a chatbot
2016-12-15T04:35:05 < stvn> i agree
2016-12-15T04:35:18 < stvn> i did that once to some shit IRC network for months
2016-12-15T04:35:36 < stvn> http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2006/s1596788.htm
2016-12-15T04:36:09 < stvn> put most of those lines into the file where it grabbed shit from
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2016-12-15T05:11:17 < dongs> sup. dickstarting in taiwan
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2016-12-15T05:18:58 < dongs> oh hm
2016-12-15T05:19:02 < jadew> stvn, nice workspace
2016-12-15T05:19:33 < jadew> lots of room
2016-12-15T05:20:01 < stvn> changes on a weekly basis sometimes, just depends on what shit i've gotta sort out
2016-12-15T05:20:05 < englishman> and chatting with hackkitten
2016-12-15T05:20:15 < stvn> yeah hackkitten is everywhere
2016-12-15T05:20:45 < dongs> is that keil in background
2016-12-15T05:20:47 < stvn> did senpai send hackkitten running from ##stm32
2016-12-15T05:21:20 < dongs> hackitten too autistic for stm32
2016-12-15T05:21:39 < stvn> hahaha
2016-12-15T05:22:04 < stvn> yeah we've already got a surplus of autists
2016-12-15T05:22:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ax9cCG1.jpg my current trollstation
2016-12-15T05:22:48 < stvn> beast
2016-12-15T05:22:48 < jadew> that's your lab?
2016-12-15T05:23:03 < jadew> looks awesome
2016-12-15T05:23:20 < dongs> no this is the place im current ly at
2016-12-15T05:23:25 < jadew> ah
2016-12-15T05:23:44 < jadew> very spacious
2016-12-15T05:23:51 < jadew> what's the biological microscope for?
2016-12-15T05:24:28 < jadew> I assumed you have 3 chairs in your lab for yourself :P
2016-12-15T05:24:37 < jadew> personally, I have two and I have a much smaller lab
2016-12-15T05:24:39 < ReadErr> is that a vacuum pump?
2016-12-15T05:25:26 < jadew> looks like a compressor
2016-12-15T05:25:28 < Rob235_> why are xilinx spartan-6 X75 more expensive than artix-7 A50T?
2016-12-15T05:25:33 < jadew> the one next to the MDO?
2016-12-15T05:25:42 < jadew> I have the same compressor
2016-12-15T05:28:37 < stvn> for pumping?
2016-12-15T05:29:39 < jadew> I got mine to manually apply solder paste
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2016-12-15T05:30:40 < stvn> yeh
2016-12-15T05:31:17 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/1LrYk5f.jpg
2016-12-15T05:31:28 < stvn> sole purpose of this thing is to blow dust out of equipment
2016-12-15T05:31:37 < jadew> looks noisy
2016-12-15T05:31:45 < stvn> it's "ultra quiet"
2016-12-15T05:31:50 < stvn> hence why i got it
2016-12-15T05:31:55 < jadew> the reason I went for that compressor is because I can use it at night, while everyone else is asleep
2016-12-15T05:32:01 < jadew> how quiet?
2016-12-15T05:32:05 < stvn> dunno
2016-12-15T05:32:11 < stvn> quiet enough to talk over
2016-12-15T05:32:22 < stvn> the rating just like most things is meaningless
2016-12-15T05:32:26 < stvn> "55dB"
2016-12-15T05:32:29 < stvn> with respect to what?
2016-12-15T05:32:47 < jadew> lowest audible sound
2016-12-15T05:32:48 < stvn> http://www.totaltools.com.au/rolair-10l-1hp-direct-drive-oil-free-ultra-quiet-air-compressor-jc10/
2016-12-15T05:33:12 < jadew> nice
2016-12-15T05:33:28 < dongs> comoressor
2016-12-15T05:33:31 < dongs> er compressor
2016-12-15T05:34:04 < dongs> jadew: the dicks are trying to give the microscope to me but looks like i wont take it
2016-12-15T05:34:13 < jadew> dongs, why not?
2016-12-15T05:34:20 < dongs> not gonna be useful for PCB shit
2016-12-15T05:34:24 < dongs> its like x2000
2016-12-15T05:34:25 < dongs> or someshit
2016-12-15T05:34:28 < stvn> hmm
2016-12-15T05:34:29 < dongs> im not gonna be decapping ICs
2016-12-15T05:34:35 < jadew> you can use it as a metalurgy microscope
2016-12-15T05:34:45 < stvn> solve mh370 mate
2016-12-15T05:34:54 < jadew> but you need to make a little adapter to shine light through one of the oculars
2016-12-15T05:35:21 < jadew> although, that's not particularly useful either
2016-12-15T05:36:46 < jadew> but yeah, it's useless for electronics (it looks like it can do 40x too, but that's too much anyway)
2016-12-15T05:37:35 < stvn> hmm
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2016-12-15T05:38:43 < jak_o_shadows> Just to clear something up - Can I use JTDI, JTDO (PA15, PB3 on the stm32c8t6) as regular GPIO?
2016-12-15T05:39:01 < jak_o_shadows> For JTDI, I have a constant +Ve, and I dont think i enabled the pull-ups
2016-12-15T05:39:10 < dongs> jadew: yes
2016-12-15T05:39:13 < dongs> err
2016-12-15T05:39:15 < dongs> jadew: ^ yes
2016-12-15T05:39:16 < dongs> sldkfjdsklf??
2016-12-15T05:39:19 < dongs> jak_o_shadows: yes 
2016-12-15T05:39:19 < jak_o_shadows> For JTDO, it just isn't working.
2016-12-15T05:39:20 < jak_o_shadows> haha.
2016-12-15T05:39:23 < jak_o_shadows> thanks dongs
2016-12-15T05:39:28 < dongs> jak_o_shadows: which Fx
2016-12-15T05:39:35 < jak_o_shadows> F1
2016-12-15T05:39:36 < dongs> on F1 you need to disable JTAG part first
2016-12-15T05:39:37 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-15T05:39:49 < dongs> sec
2016-12-15T05:39:52 < jak_o_shadows> Can I still use a st-link? I can can't I?
2016-12-15T05:40:14 < dongs> #define AFIO_MAPR_SWJ_CFG_NO_JTAG_SW            (0x2 << 24) AFIO->MAPR |= AFIO_MAPR_SWJ_CFG_NO_JTAG_SW;
2016-12-15T05:40:17 < dongs> yes
2016-12-15T05:40:23 < dongs> only disable JTAG-related shit, not SWD
2016-12-15T05:40:30 < dongs> only leaving SJW on
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2016-12-15T05:42:50 < dongs> there's a line break
2016-12-15T05:42:55 < dongs> #define AFIO_MAPR_SWJ_CFG_NO_JTAG_SW            (0x2 << 24)
2016-12-15T05:42:58 < dongs> and AFIO->MAPR |= AFIO_MAPR_SWJ_CFG_NO_JTAG_SW;
2016-12-15T05:43:14 < dongs> anyway, this will let you use JTDI / JTDO pins
2016-12-15T05:43:43 < jak_o_shadows> Thanks!
2016-12-15T05:44:01 < jak_o_shadows> I saw that line in a few examples, but nobody ever explained what it did
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2016-12-15T05:53:23 < upgrdman> dongs, which 4k cam do you have? do you like it?
2016-12-15T05:56:09 < Spirit532> upgrdman, what kind do you want?
2016-12-15T05:56:15 < Spirit532> I'm a resident semi-expert on video stuff
2016-12-15T05:56:26  * Spirit532 has spent too much time looking at specs and details
2016-12-15T05:56:58 < Spirit532> if you want an awesome point&shoot, go for a Sony RX100 Mk5
2016-12-15T05:57:06 < upgrdman> i want 4k, ideally 60fps, nice lens (zoom, and macro or macroish)
2016-12-15T05:57:14 < Spirit532> so, a point&shoot
2016-12-15T05:57:16 < Spirit532> not interchangeable
2016-12-15T05:57:17 < upgrdman> video, i already have a dslr
2016-12-15T05:57:29 < Spirit532> go for the RX100 V
2016-12-15T05:57:30 < upgrdman> well i would love a canon 4k dslr, but they all suck
2016-12-15T05:57:34 < Spirit532> it's really expensive
2016-12-15T05:57:41 < Spirit532> $1100ish
2016-12-15T05:57:50 < Spirit532> but it's hands-down the best point&shoot for video
2016-12-15T05:58:01 < Spirit532> and it does 1kfps slowmo at low res, so that's a bonus
2016-12-15T05:58:22 < upgrdman> hmmm 4k30.
2016-12-15T05:58:31 < upgrdman> anything for 4k60?
2016-12-15T05:58:35 < Spirit532> 4k60 is mostly professional
2016-12-15T05:58:38 < Spirit532> you're looking at $2k+
2016-12-15T05:58:46 < upgrdman> that's fine. im not rich but im not poor either.
2016-12-15T05:58:50 < Spirit532> but if you're okay with buying used, just go for a blackmagic ursa mini lol
2016-12-15T05:58:52 < Spirit532> it's a cinema camera
2016-12-15T05:59:05 < Spirit532> they go for around $2k used
2016-12-15T05:59:08 < Spirit532> $3500 new
2016-12-15T05:59:28 < Spirit532> huh, no
2016-12-15T05:59:28 < Spirit532> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1137314-REG/blackmagic_design_cinecamursam40k_ef_ursa_4k_digital_cinema.html
2016-12-15T05:59:31 < Spirit532> now it's $3k new
2016-12-15T06:00:45 < Spirit532> it's the best value for money at the moment in terms of pro video gear
2016-12-15T06:00:50 < Spirit532> but I doubt you actually need that
2016-12-15T06:00:51 < Spirit532> lol
2016-12-15T06:00:51 < upgrdman> oh nice ef mount? i can reuse some of my canon dslr lenses then
2016-12-15T06:00:58 < Spirit532> it's full-frame
2016-12-15T06:01:18 < Spirit532> but that is a for-serious camera that people make money with
2016-12-15T06:01:19 < upgrdman> i dont need any camera. but i want :) my phone can do 4k30 but i want better and zoom
2016-12-15T06:01:35 < Spirit532> if you want just a good all-around camera, the rx100 iv is okay
2016-12-15T06:01:43 < Spirit532> the v is better, newer version
2016-12-15T06:01:53 < upgrdman> kinda wish that ursa mini was less ugly. but it might be the ticket.
2016-12-15T06:01:59 < Spirit532> it's not ugly
2016-12-15T06:02:06 < Spirit532> quite neat looking
2016-12-15T06:02:46 < Spirit532> the full URSA is much bigger but costs the same amount
2016-12-15T06:02:58 < Spirit532> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044786-REG/blackmagic_design_cinecamursa4k_pl_ursa_4k_digital_cinema.html/prm/alsVwDtl
2016-12-15T06:03:53 < upgrdman> that's less ugly
2016-12-15T06:03:59 < upgrdman> but about double what i wanted to spend
2016-12-15T06:04:07 < upgrdman> what do you think of this https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-HC-X1000-Professional-Camcorder-Optical/dp/B00MZCCNPG/ref=sr_1_5?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1481774121&sr=1-5&keywords=4k+video+camera
2016-12-15T06:04:30 < Spirit532> I'd rather not
2016-12-15T06:04:39 < Spirit532> that's a camcorder
2016-12-15T06:04:54 < upgrdman> whats the diff
2016-12-15T06:05:02 < Spirit532> for a small difference in price, you're getting either a camcorder, which is at best prosumer
2016-12-15T06:05:10 < Spirit532> or a real, professional cinema camera
2016-12-15T06:05:14 < Spirit532> minus the lens
2016-12-15T06:06:01 < upgrdman> why is the ef mount ursa 2x the price of pc mount ursa
2016-12-15T06:06:07 < upgrdman> *pl
2016-12-15T06:06:17 < Spirit532> because you can't afford PL mount lenses
2016-12-15T06:07:24 < upgrdman> ?
2016-12-15T06:07:40 < Spirit532> high-end PL mount lenses can cost 5 digits.
2016-12-15T06:08:05 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-15T06:08:14 < upgrdman> oh fuck, the ursa uses those fucking cfast card
2016-12-15T06:08:30 < Spirit532> it can't use anything else
2016-12-15T06:08:38 < Spirit532> it can shoot raw lol
2016-12-15T06:09:19 < upgrdman> well ya at raw i understand
2016-12-15T06:09:32 < upgrdman> but fuck, sd is so much cheaper, and fast enough for non-raw
2016-12-15T06:09:48 < upgrdman> i have a few cards that can write at >60MBps and read at >90MBps
2016-12-15T06:09:53 < Spirit532> the fastest it can do is 312.5 megaBYTES per second
2016-12-15T06:10:05 < Spirit532> 3840x2160 ProRes 444 XQ
2016-12-15T06:10:27 < Spirit532> highest res is 4000x2160
2016-12-15T06:10:37 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-12-15T06:10:40 < upgrdman> and i see no battery?
2016-12-15T06:10:50 < Spirit532> external mount
2016-12-15T06:10:52 < dongs> upgrdman: MB as in megabytes?
2016-12-15T06:10:58 < upgrdman> ya MBytes
2016-12-15T06:11:03 < dongs> yeah some random SDXC shit i havev is like that
2016-12-15T06:11:27 < upgrdman> Spirit532, ya fuck that. too much hassle. im not a cinema fuck. just want quality 4k60 videos with ability to see far away and up close.
2016-12-15T06:11:27 < Spirit532> upgrdman, fitting a tiny battery inside the URSA wouldn't be worth it
2016-12-15T06:11:36 < Spirit532> that sounds like cinema
2016-12-15T06:11:37 < Spirit532> lol
2016-12-15T06:11:43 < Spirit532> 4k30 is much more doable
2016-12-15T06:11:54 < upgrdman> 4k30 is doable on my fucking cell phone
2016-12-15T06:12:00 < dongs> upgrdman: get AG-UX180
2016-12-15T06:12:07 < Spirit532> with a bandwidth of half a bee's dick
2016-12-15T06:12:08 < Spirit532> sure
2016-12-15T06:12:09 < Spirit532> on your phone.
2016-12-15T06:12:11 < dongs> < upgrdman> what do you think of this
2016-12-15T06:12:11 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-HC-X1000-Professional-Camcorder-Optical/dp/B00MZCCNPG/ref=sr_1_5?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1481774121&sr=1-5&keywords=4k+video+camera
2016-12-15T06:12:14 < dongs> upgrdman:  i haev this
2016-12-15T06:12:17 < dongs> it is great
2016-12-15T06:12:27 < upgrdman> really? got any vids from it online?
2016-12-15T06:12:30 < dongs> UX180 is like pro version of it, same enclosure too
2016-12-15T06:12:37 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah my 4K shits from interbee
2016-12-15T06:12:45 < dongs> on my channel
2016-12-15T06:12:47 < dongs> from like last year
2016-12-15T06:12:55 < Spirit532> we do not want to see your 4K shits
2016-12-15T06:13:20 < upgrdman> i do, fuck off
2016-12-15T06:13:28 < Spirit532> re-read
2016-12-15T06:13:48 < Spirit532> unless you have a funny fetish
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2016-12-15T06:17:32 < upgrdman> dongs, "Not only can you record continuously on two SD/SDHC/SDXC cards (up to 64 GB)" ... it cant do >64GB cards?
2016-12-15T06:22:37 < dongs> upgrdman: errr, surely can
2016-12-15T06:22:41 < upgrdman> jesus fuck, panasonic.net is low as shit. must be hosted on a raspberry pi.
2016-12-15T06:22:45 < dongs> xc1000?
2016-12-15T06:22:50 < upgrdman> s/low/slow
2016-12-15T06:23:04 < upgrdman> dongs, no thats quote from ag-ux180
2016-12-15T06:23:32 < dongs> that would be retarded as fuck
2016-12-15T06:23:37 < dongs> also xc1000 has usb3 host
2016-12-15T06:23:42 < dongs> so you can copy shit to external hdd etc
2016-12-15T06:23:47 < upgrdman> neat
2016-12-15T06:23:55 < upgrdman> can it record to usb hdd or just copy to?
2016-12-15T06:23:57 < dongs> i see no reaso nwhy they would mimit it to 64gb tho
2016-12-15T06:24:01 < dongs> it supports exfat and shit
2016-12-15T06:24:07 < dongs> no, just copy to
2016-12-15T06:24:37 < upgrdman> so while i wait for pdf to load from panashit.net at 200KBps, which the diffs between x1000 and ux180?
2016-12-15T06:24:42 < upgrdman> other than no most usb host
2016-12-15T06:24:47 < upgrdman> no more*
2016-12-15T06:24:58 < dongs> why would tehy remove that
2016-12-15T06:25:13 < dongs> ux180 just released in same body as xc1000, it should have al lsame features + more
2016-12-15T06:25:33 < upgrdman> photo shows just micro usb3 + hdmi
2016-12-15T06:25:38 < upgrdman> no usb3-a
2016-12-15T06:25:50 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvKUG4ZOTYPyLCtHEoXobSfVE6Bzf_OLE
2016-12-15T06:25:57 < dongs> upgrdman: thats hte interbee 4k shit
2016-12-15T06:26:00 < dongs> incase you ahvent found it yet
2016-12-15T06:26:19 < dongs> for some dumb rason i cant login to jewtube from chinkland
2016-12-15T06:27:10 < dongs> anyway, unless you ahve 4k to waste, xc1000 is probably a much better choice for home/etc use
2016-12-15T06:27:18 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-15T06:27:22 < upgrdman> you china'd?
2016-12-15T06:27:34 < dongs> taiwan'd
2016-12-15T06:28:25 < upgrdman> taiwan is under the great firewall of china?
2016-12-15T06:41:49 < dongs> no i think something is just fucked with dumb corp gmail account
2016-12-15T06:41:58 < dongs> even tho i choose my other user it doesnt let me ogin
2016-12-15T06:42:07 < dongs> no idea, just logged in with private browse shit page
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2016-12-15T07:49:20 < stvn> crap
2016-12-15T07:54:31 < ReadErr> piss
2016-12-15T07:54:49 < stvn> wb
2016-12-15T07:59:01 < stvn> voltages?
2016-12-15T08:11:02 < stvn> http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2016/12/15/15/09/federal-court-orders-internet-companies-to-block-five-copyright-infringing-websites/?ocid=9newsfb
2016-12-15T08:11:24 < stvn> hahahhhahahahahahhhahahahahahhhahahahahahhhahahahahahhhahahahahahhhahahahahahhhahahahahahhhahaha
2016-12-15T08:11:39 < stvn> federal cucking
2016-12-15T08:11:57 < ReadErr> damn bru
2016-12-15T08:12:15 < stvn> i don't use it
2016-12-15T08:12:34 < stvn> better still, i refuse to consume the jew run 'hollywood' bullshit racket
2016-12-15T08:13:48 < stvn> good goy federal government caves in
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2016-12-15T08:30:10 < upgrdman> in win explorer, if i want to search recursively for any filename containing "foo" ... i search for *foo* right? not working :/
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2016-12-15T08:34:48 < ReadErr> it should just be smart enough to do 'foo'
2016-12-15T08:34:50 < ReadErr> however
2016-12-15T08:34:55 < jpa-> upgrdman: it's a bit random, but usually you don't need the stars
2016-12-15T08:34:57 < ReadErr> i suggest you install bash for windows
2016-12-15T08:35:01 < ReadErr> and use find ;)
2016-12-15T08:35:03 < ReadErr> or locate
2016-12-15T08:35:12 < ReadErr> windows file searching has always blown cack
2016-12-15T08:35:32 < upgrdman> ya tried without the stars first, didnt work either
2016-12-15T08:35:36 < upgrdman> ya, time for bash
2016-12-15T08:35:47 < upgrdman> didnt msft add that to some dev package?
2016-12-15T08:35:54 < upgrdman> niggerbuntu for windows or someshit
2016-12-15T08:36:36 < ReadErr> yea
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2016-12-15T08:36:46 < ReadErr> you do add program or feature
2016-12-15T08:36:54 < ReadErr> click the box, reboot, enable developer mode
2016-12-15T08:36:56 < ReadErr> then update
2016-12-15T08:37:11 < upgrdman> add prog where?
2016-12-15T08:41:22 < ReadErr> like where you enable the telnet client 
2016-12-15T08:41:26 < ReadErr> controlpanel
2016-12-15T08:41:27 < ReadErr> programs
2016-12-15T08:41:31 < ReadErr> add program or feature
2016-12-15T08:41:33 < ReadErr> install maybe
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2016-12-15T08:52:58 < Rob235> if you link two fpgas on a board with pins connecting the two together, could you create a bram block that extends across both chips and access it just as fast?
2016-12-15T08:57:11 < jpa-> no, the physical interface between the chips will obviously limit the speed
2016-12-15T08:57:56 < jpa-> it depends on FPGA how much faster the internal interface is than external pins, but it pretty much always is faster if you run it at max capability
2016-12-15T08:57:59 < Rob235> so theres no way to get high amounts of onboard memory without spending a shitload of money
2016-12-15T08:58:47 < jpa-> usually you would just hook up an external SRAM or SDRAM or DDR2 chip and make your design so that it works with the speed that is available
2016-12-15T08:59:09 < jpa-> but it is just a fact of life that on-chip memory is faster than memory on external chip
2016-12-15T09:10:27 < stvn> yup
2016-12-15T09:10:57 < stvn> there was an 8051 micro from somewhere with breakouts for address and data lines
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2016-12-15T09:16:57 < jpa-> stvn: most STM32's have external memory bus (FSMC/FMC) which works the same
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2016-12-15T09:25:32 < englishman> but 8051 is larger than 32
2016-12-15T09:32:26 < jpa-> it must cost a shitload of money because it has such a large number
2016-12-15T09:33:34 < Thorn> 8051 stands for 80 MB of flash and 51 MB of ram
2016-12-15T09:34:16 < Rob235> I was just looking at a xilinx with 4MB for $4k
2016-12-15T09:37:16 < jpa-> why do you want it all on-chip?
2016-12-15T09:37:28 < Rob235> speeeeed
2016-12-15T09:37:48 < Kliment> I would have guessed routing complexity but oh well
2016-12-15T09:37:49 < jpa-> speed for what?
2016-12-15T09:38:05 < Rob235> just speeeed
2016-12-15T09:38:11 < Rob235> it doesn't matter
2016-12-15T09:38:26 < jpa-> 4MB on-chip would mean like 1000 4kB blocks, so probably around 500GB/s bandwidth
2016-12-15T09:38:38 < jpa-> if you were able to fully utilize it in your design
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2016-12-15T09:39:55 < Rob235> I'll try some ddr3 or sram or something first and see how it goes I guess
2016-12-15T09:40:17 < jpa-> how about: you first figure out what bandwidth you need, and then decide upon a solution that achieves it?
2016-12-15T09:41:30 < jpa-> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/xilinx-inc/XC7K410T-1FFG900C/XC7K410T-1FFG900C-ND/3543155   just $120 for 3.5 MB
2016-12-15T09:45:59 < stvn> sounds like what an engineer would say
2016-12-15T09:46:33 < Rob235> I saw that but saw it was non stock and didnt understand the price difference
2016-12-15T09:46:54 < Kliment> I have two clocks, clock A and clock B. B drives a motor which gives me a sync pulse each quarter-turn, let's call that C. I'm trying to make C match A by adjusting B. What's my best approach?
2016-12-15T09:47:01 < Kliment> I have two PLLs available
2016-12-15T09:47:47 < Kliment> (this is an F4 with a normal PLL and an audio PLL)
2016-12-15T09:49:22 < Kliment> frequencies are in the low kHz
2016-12-15T09:49:36 < Rob235> jpa-: any idea? why its so cheap
2016-12-15T09:50:22 < Kliment> Rob235: Because a lot of the big ones have features other than memory which are pretty expensive
2016-12-15T09:51:05 < Rob235> like what?
2016-12-15T09:51:21 < jpa-> yeah, on-chip SRAM by itself is not horribly expensive.. but apparently most designs don't need that high amounts of it that they would make chips with small number of LUTs and tranceivers but a lot of RAM
2016-12-15T09:51:31 < jpa-> Rob235: chip area, LUTs, tranceivers, maximum clock speed, etc.
2016-12-15T09:52:18 < Kliment> I guess SERDES count would be an important one, specialized peripherals, builtin cores
2016-12-15T09:52:57 < Rob235> the same version but speed generation 2 or whatever is $2650
2016-12-15T09:53:19 < Kliment> Rob235: Yeah, different process, everything runs faster, uses less power
2016-12-15T09:53:57 < Rob235> hmm, I think I'll try the cheap one and see what happens
2016-12-15T09:54:12 < ohsix> lul the snow today
2016-12-15T09:54:25 < Rob235> right? i can't believe its snowing
2016-12-15T09:55:20 < jpa-> Rob235: "try".. if you don't know what speed you are supposed to get, how do you know whether you just have a bug somewhere that's limiting you?.. and who spends $120 instead of just calculating what is needed?
2016-12-15T09:55:24 < ohsix> Rob235: it's been like 18 inches today and still going
2016-12-15T09:55:40 < ohsix> i have chains on my car and i was tearing shit up lul, the car is so light
2016-12-15T09:55:47 < ohsix> it's like jumping on your parents bed, but in a car
2016-12-15T09:56:39 < Rob235> I didn't mean for sure, I'm still figuring stuff out
2016-12-15T09:56:45 < Rob235> i need sleep though
2016-12-15T09:56:48 < Rob235> nite
2016-12-15T09:56:57 < ohsix> the human condition
2016-12-15T09:57:09 < Kliment> Any downsides to PSRAM?
2016-12-15T09:57:14 < ohsix> cost
2016-12-15T09:57:24 < Kliment> PSRAM is way cheaper than SRAM
2016-12-15T09:57:24 < jpa-> and poor availability
2016-12-15T09:57:24 < ohsix> also it isn't sram
2016-12-15T09:57:24 < stvn> tiny is not a measurement like slow and fast
2016-12-15T09:57:47 < Kliment> ISSI seems to sell them and availability is ok, as is price
2016-12-15T09:58:12 < Kliment> for example IS66WVH8M8BLL-100B1LI
2016-12-15T09:58:17 < jpa-> not compared to SDRAM, which it really is
2016-12-15T09:58:33 < ohsix> not willing to back this up, but my impression is that you use it where you need an sram interface and can do nothing else
2016-12-15T09:58:41 < ohsix> 2busy eating
2016-12-15T09:59:11 < jpa-> Kliment: i mean, with SDRAM and SRAM you have tons of second sources and equivalent chips
2016-12-15T10:00:05 < Kliment> I mean, I've never used it, but at that price delta I don't see any reason to use sram
2016-12-15T10:00:41 < ohsix> sram is static, quiescent current is almost nil
2016-12-15T10:01:04 < Kliment> ah, that makes sense
2016-12-15T10:01:15 < Kliment> yeah, that explains it
2016-12-15T10:01:35 < jpa-> yeah, and also faster
2016-12-15T10:01:50 < jpa-> PSRAM will hold the "wait" line while it fetches data from the internal SDRAM
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2016-12-15T10:02:17 < ohsix> dram has self refresh stuff but is denser and has fewer transistors per cell
2016-12-15T10:03:29 < Kliment> It's unfortunate sdram has such hiigh pin counts
2016-12-15T10:03:44 < stvn> well,
2016-12-15T10:04:07 < jpa-> in large memories (>100 MB) SDRAM quiescent current is actually somewhat competitive with SRAM current
2016-12-15T10:04:46 < jpa-> yeah, PSRAM is nice in that it has less pins to route
2016-12-15T10:06:59 < stvn> is it ever a problem?
2016-12-15T10:07:16 < Kliment> stvn: Is what a problem?
2016-12-15T10:07:28 < stvn> the inconvenience of routing SDRAM
2016-12-15T10:07:40 < Kliment> stvn: Yeah, of course it is.
2016-12-15T10:08:08 < Kliment> stvn: wide parallel bus, increases layer count, eats up board space, ties up a lot of micro/fpga pins
2016-12-15T10:08:28 < jpa-> yeah, and larger chip packages, especially if you don't want BGA
2016-12-15T10:08:38 < Kliment> stvn: it's a signal integrity challenge too
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2016-12-15T10:09:10 < jpa-> and for small-volume prototypes, the time spent doing the PCB layout can be significant cost also
2016-12-15T10:09:16 < stvn> i see
2016-12-15T10:10:26 < Kliment> That ISSI part I linked earlier has a ten pin bus
2016-12-15T10:10:44 < stvn> yes
2016-12-15T10:10:48 < Kliment> 8b data/address, one bit for r/w select, one bit for clock
2016-12-15T10:10:52 < jpa-> i wonder if STM32 FSMC can drive that
2016-12-15T10:10:57 < Kliment> jpa-: Probably not
2016-12-15T10:11:06 < jpa-> it does have some PSRAM modes IIRC
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2016-12-15T10:15:33 < Kliment> jpa-: Got any ideas about the PLL stuff I asked about earlier?
2016-12-15T10:17:34 < stvn> if its been a while maybe repost the question
2016-12-15T10:18:08 < jpa-> how does a clock drive a motor?
2016-12-15T10:18:24 < stvn> wtf
2016-12-15T10:18:27 < Kliment> jpa-: BLDC driver that is phase-locked
2016-12-15T10:18:57 < jpa-> why do you want to use hardware PLL? wouldn't it be easier to do with timers if the freq is so slow
2016-12-15T10:19:19 < jpa-> the hardware PLLs have pretty limited number of ratios available so you cannot match arbitrary frequency very closely
2016-12-15T10:19:22 < Kliment> jpa-: I can use timers as well. Just trying to look at my options
2016-12-15T10:19:44 < Kliment> jpa-: and I mean, I can match frequency quite easily by just feeding B from A
2016-12-15T10:19:59 < jpa-> yeah, you are trying to match motor spin speed
2016-12-15T10:20:06 < Kliment> jpa-: But C is not in phase with B
2016-12-15T10:20:18 < jpa-> and i'd say you should probably slap just a regular PID controller there
2016-12-15T10:20:50 < Kliment> jpa-: so I basically need an adjustable-phase-shift
2016-12-15T10:21:15 < Kliment> PID with what input and output variable?
2016-12-15T10:21:43 < jpa-> ah so you want to match phase also.. hmm
2016-12-15T10:21:57 < Kliment> I mean, the motor driver automagically matches frequency
2016-12-15T10:22:00 < Kliment> And phase
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2016-12-15T10:22:31 < Kliment> But the part being rotated is not aligned with the motor coil
2016-12-15T10:22:42 < jpa-> you can get adjustable delay easily with a timer, just run it so that frequency is same as A when ARR is e.g. 10000, then switch ARR to e.g. 9999 or 10001 to steer the phase a bit
2016-12-15T10:23:01 < Kliment> That's brilliant, much simpler than what I had in mind
2016-12-15T10:23:13 < Kliment> Thanks :)
2016-12-15T10:23:17 < jpa-> lol, ok :)
2016-12-15T10:23:31 < Kliment> I was looking at ways of abusing the audio PLL :)
2016-12-15T10:23:33 < jpa-> sometimes the simple solutions are not so obvious :P
2016-12-15T10:24:50 < jpa-> but a word of caution: if the phase is exactly 180 degrees off, you need to decide whether to lower or to increase the frequency to get it into sync.. but if there is some noise, you might be going "up down up down" around the 180 deg point for a while..
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2016-12-15T10:25:22 < Kliment> jpa-: I get pulses every quarter-rotation
2016-12-15T10:25:30 < Kliment> jpa-: so it can never be more than 90 degrees off
2016-12-15T10:25:42 < jpa-> well 45 deg off then, i mean the middlepoint
2016-12-15T10:25:52 < stvn> diodes mate
2016-12-15T10:25:54 < jpa-> something simple like "prefer 10001 if previous value was 10001" will add suitable hysteresis
2016-12-15T10:26:05 < Kliment> jpa-: I'll just set it up so it starts too low
2016-12-15T10:26:12 < jpa-> that works also
2016-12-15T10:26:39 < jpa-> and if it doesn't have to sync very fast, it's not very critical what it does
2016-12-15T10:27:42 < Kliment> jpa-: It has to sync once, it stays in sync pretty well after that as long as the clock is stable
2016-12-15T10:27:53 < jpa-> yeah
2016-12-15T10:29:08 < jpa-> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gHochdce/irccloudcapture-1320676838.jpg   typo in PCB order, 20 oz copper instead of 2 oz ;)
2016-12-15T10:29:36 < Kliment> jpa-: not a typo, this is a 150A trace
2016-12-15T10:29:38 < stvn> shill it here
2016-12-15T10:29:48 < stvn> thats what i did for keil mate
2016-12-15T10:29:52 < stvn> 6k is good
2016-12-15T10:29:52 < Kliment> jpa-: Oh, oops, wrong image
2016-12-15T10:29:59 < stvn> i'd take a bit of that for 6k
2016-12-15T10:30:03 < stvn> tis mate
2016-12-15T10:30:05 < Kliment> jpa-: The 150A trace is on the reverse side of that board
2016-12-15T10:30:07 < stvn> but altium is altium
2016-12-15T10:30:13 < jpa-> Kliment: yeah :P
2016-12-15T10:30:22 < stvn> do that then
2016-12-15T10:30:27 < stvn> clearly you are happy with it
2016-12-15T10:30:40 < Kliment> jpa-: I think I know who made that PCB
2016-12-15T10:31:03 < stvn> i like those chunky traces
2016-12-15T10:31:08 < Kliment> jpa-: I mean, there's like 4 PCB houses worldwide that do that kind of thickness
2016-12-15T10:31:12 < stvn> heh
2016-12-15T10:31:45 < stvn> i still got the piggy bank ticking away for my $9k AUD altium
2016-12-15T10:32:05 < Kliment> jpa-: Maybe we should call them and ask if they'll do 20oz 4 mil :P
2016-12-15T10:32:16 < stvn> cupper
2016-12-15T10:32:49 < jpa-> Kliment: yeah, funny that they made it that way.. i might have just soldered on a piece of copper cut separately from a sheet for the 150A trace, and let the rest be normal
2016-12-15T10:33:21 < Kliment> jpa-: There's 900V on the other side
2016-12-15T10:33:49 < Kliment> jpa-: And the PSU module they use is PCB-mount
2016-12-15T10:33:50 < stvn> tasty
2016-12-15T10:34:22 < Kliment> jpa-: The person who designed it said they considered wires but the end result would have been too bulky
2016-12-15T10:35:07 < Kliment> jpa-: I must say I love the distorted silkscreen
2016-12-15T10:35:20 < stvn> i like it
2016-12-15T10:35:38 < Thorn> why the hell the ws2812b pin with the cutout on the package is pin 3 and not pin 1?
2016-12-15T10:35:45 < stvn> its filth mate
2016-12-15T10:35:58 < Kliment> I wonder how they did it - direct jetting probably, normal silkscreen needs surface contact
2016-12-15T10:36:24 < Kliment> Also this will be fun to solder
2016-12-15T10:38:59 < Kliment> Oh, they soldered it already! https://imgur.com/a/s2zcN
2016-12-15T10:40:14 < stvn> even got the preheater
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2016-12-15T10:43:17 < stvn> ty
2016-12-15T10:43:20 < ohsix> i got an old fpga demo board thing, has an ep3c25f324 cyclone 3 on it
2016-12-15T10:43:25 < jpa-> Kliment: it's funny they were able to print the silk on such an uneven surface
2016-12-15T10:43:26 < ohsix> is there a lunix thing i can do
2016-12-15T10:43:51 < stvn> ohsix, not using linux is a good start
2016-12-15T10:43:52 < Kliment> jpa-: yeah, must be jetted, I don't know how else you'd do it
2016-12-15T10:44:11 < ohsix> i think quartus or whatever in wine will work, but figurign out obscure command line junk is interesting in itself, i know about the ice toolchain stuff and that there generally isn't anything else
2016-12-15T10:44:40 < Kliment> ohsix: clifford's toolchain is the only non-vendor FPGA toolchain that works at all
2016-12-15T10:44:58 < Kliment> ohsix: and that's ICE-only
2016-12-15T10:45:31 < stvn> <oredfzz> http://codepad.org/2rvzuSY2
2016-12-15T10:45:40 < ohsix> oh shit
2016-12-15T10:45:48 < ohsix> it says linux right on the cd case
2016-12-15T10:46:05 < stvn> throw it in the bin o6
2016-12-15T10:46:24 < ohsix> 'altera complete design suite' 'version 9.1 for windows and linux'
2016-12-15T10:46:29 < Kliment> stvn: That's neither helpful nor funny
2016-12-15T10:46:49 < stvn> sorry mate
2016-12-15T10:47:12 < stvn> neither funny, helpful... however true
2016-12-15T10:47:16 < Kliment> stvn: Is that your code?
2016-12-15T10:47:19 < stvn> no
2016-12-15T10:47:27 < stvn> at the least mine compiles
2016-12-15T10:47:39 < ohsix> heheheh this even will probably install fine, centos/rhel 4/5
2016-12-15T10:47:42 < ohsix> it's from 2007
2016-12-15T10:48:03 < ohsix> comes with nios and shit
2016-12-15T10:48:15 < stvn> mmmm
2016-12-15T10:48:30 < stvn> i got a spare licensed copy of windows if you want it
2016-12-15T10:49:25 < stvn> buy orcad?
2016-12-15T10:49:27 < stvn> didn't you already?
2016-12-15T10:49:51 < stvn> yah
2016-12-15T10:49:52 < ohsix> for someone else
2016-12-15T10:49:56 < stvn> or use kicad lol
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2016-12-15T10:50:32 < stvn> yeah that's what i said
2016-12-15T10:50:48 < stvn> IAR never got back to me so purchased keil
2016-12-15T10:54:26 < ohsix> haha their installer looks really bad
2016-12-15T10:54:54 < stvn> HAH
2016-12-15T10:55:18 < ohsix> #!/bin/csh
2016-12-15T10:55:19 < ohsix> #  Altera Tools Install Script
2016-12-15T10:55:22 < stvn> the cunts told me to buy micrium
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2016-12-15T10:57:08 < ohsix> this is completely amazing http://paste.ubuntu.com/23632628/
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2016-12-15T10:58:25 < stvn> seeya R2
2016-12-15T10:59:16 < ohsix> supgrdman
2016-12-15T10:59:30 < ohsix> 02:14 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/221358011584 these are pretty kewl considering the cost (pal has one, posting link so i can find it when upgrdman shows upagain)
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2016-12-15T11:00:27 < ohsix> this board is basically an mp3 player demo, it's great
2016-12-15T11:04:08 < stvn> ok
2016-12-15T11:04:10 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i have 3 of those :) but its kinda shit quality
2016-12-15T11:04:28 < upgrdman> optics are plastic, lots of chromatic aberration, etc.
2016-12-15T11:04:29 < ohsix> really?
2016-12-15T11:04:32 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-15T11:05:02 < ohsix> the one i had used worked really well, i ordered that one so i guess i'll see soon enough
2016-12-15T11:05:07 < upgrdman> and when you replace the coin cell batteries you notice the ghetto ground wire half-assed circuit
2016-12-15T11:05:21 < ohsix> werd
2016-12-15T11:05:43 < upgrdman> mine look EXACTLY like that photo, except it says 30X instead of 40X
2016-12-15T11:05:44 < ohsix> the DoF was really small so i chalked the fringy stuff up to that
2016-12-15T11:05:50 < upgrdman> but like EXACTLY like that photo otherwise
2016-12-15T11:05:58 < ohsix> werd
2016-12-15T11:06:07 < ohsix> i'll let you know if that one doesn't suck
2016-12-15T11:06:49 < upgrdman> also the tool they give you to open the battery cover may bend and break your first try. you can use the tips of needle nose pliers if that happens, and that works better anyway
2016-12-15T11:06:52 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-15T11:09:42 < ohsix> was the tool in yours metal?
2016-12-15T11:16:19 < Kliment> I have a dual loupe with no light
2016-12-15T11:16:31 < Kliment> 6x and 8x, and you can combine them
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2016-12-15T11:17:08 < stvn> an autistic setup
2016-12-15T11:17:15 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/fLFw6Iu.jpg
2016-12-15T11:17:54 < Kliment> stvn: You just don't understand
2016-12-15T11:18:03 < Kliment> stvn: Clearly the dude wants to DJ while lying down
2016-12-15T11:18:24 < stvn> just some warranty repairs
2016-12-15T11:18:52 < ohsix> Kliment: i need to get some of those too, on the flop down jewelers type glasses
2016-12-15T11:20:16 < ohsix> i was assembling one of those dso138s and staring through them for like an hour
2016-12-15T11:20:28 < ohsix> i thoguht solder fumes had gassed me, felt real unwell huhuhu
2016-12-15T11:20:33 < ohsix> (they're bright red boards)
2016-12-15T11:22:10 < Steffanx> Dongs, this cosmic stm8 compiler.. Does one really have to wait for an email to get a license file? -_-
2016-12-15T11:22:11 < stvn> DJ is funny
2016-12-15T11:22:16 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
2016-12-15T11:22:28 < stvn> i had to wait to get my keil lic
2016-12-15T11:22:31 < Steffanx> Lo
2016-12-15T11:22:46 < stvn> i masturbated the whole weekend
2016-12-15T11:22:55 < Fleck> wb stvn
2016-12-15T11:22:56 < stvn> went blind for 6 months
2016-12-15T11:22:57 < Fleck> ;D
2016-12-15T11:23:01 < stvn> hi Fleck how are you today?
2016-12-15T11:23:11 < Fleck> awesome! :)
2016-12-15T11:23:13 < Kliment> My semi-local PCB house was weirded out when I ordered 11 identical stencils from them and no PCBs
2016-12-15T11:23:15 < Fleck> u?
2016-12-15T11:23:21 < stvn> quite well
2016-12-15T11:23:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya its a die cut sheet of china-grade aluminum
2016-12-15T11:23:26 < stvn> just doing some paperwork
2016-12-15T11:23:51 < stvn> rejecting a warranty claim
2016-12-15T11:23:53 < ohsix> upgrdman: k
2016-12-15T11:24:20 < upgrdman> ohsix, fwiw, im kinda picky with optics. you might love it.
2016-12-15T11:24:29 < upgrdman> its worth $2
2016-12-15T11:24:38 < ohsix> meh not about being picky huhu
2016-12-15T11:24:41 < ohsix> or i guess it is
2016-12-15T11:24:52 < ohsix> a glass one would be better but it is outside of region of interest
2016-12-15T11:25:02 < ohsix> coated optics would probably be way better too
2016-12-15T11:26:59 < Kliment> Heh, got a portable hotair to carry around with me when I teach
2016-12-15T11:27:15 < ohsix> a mouth?
2016-12-15T11:27:17 < ohsix> BOOM
2016-12-15T11:27:18 < stvn> jbc-jt?
2016-12-15T11:27:20 < Kliment> The company name is "Focus Extreme Reputation"
2016-12-15T11:27:39 < Kliment> Very trustworthy sounding
2016-12-15T11:28:00 < stvn> as promised bro
2016-12-15T11:28:16 < ohsix> i recognized a chinese brand today irl
2016-12-15T11:28:18 < ohsix> MingHei
2016-12-15T11:28:21 < Steffanx> Oh its done nevermind mr dongs
2016-12-15T11:28:35 < stvn> dong is watching anime
2016-12-15T11:29:52 < Kliment> "rework solderlng station"
2016-12-15T11:29:59 < Kliment> "user's mannual"
2016-12-15T11:30:55 < Kliment> delicious
2016-12-15T11:31:45 < ohsix> got distracted, shit like this http://www.telesightmagnifiers.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/SeeMoreHeaMagnifier.jpg
2016-12-15T11:32:42 < ReadErr> stvn: any new predator catchin clips m8?
2016-12-15T11:33:43 < ohsix> looool
2016-12-15T11:34:03 < ohsix> wow holy crap everything is in these google image results
2016-12-15T11:34:34 < ohsix> https://www.google.com/search?q=inspection+glasses&num=50&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKvcfm8fXQAhXCqFQKHaixBR4Q_AUICSgC&biw=1366&bih=649#imgrc=q0Y2gXnK9TwQMM%3A including the picture upgrdman posted 'ingermany'. but notably clinton conspiracy shit on pinterest
2016-12-15T11:37:49 < Thorn> SPI1->CR1 |= SPI_CR1_SPE;
2016-12-15T11:39:32 < Kliment> SPI1 super-power enabled
2016-12-15T11:40:12 < ohsix> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Fly_geyser.jpg is this from an elder scrolls game or nevada
2016-12-15T11:40:35 < Kliment> ohsix: The search term is "eyeglass loupe"
2016-12-15T11:41:05 < Kliment> ohsix: That image looks like a nose grew on a penis
2016-12-15T11:41:22 < ohsix> i had a joke i didn't post to twitter earlier, after digging cars out
2016-12-15T11:41:34 < ohsix> snowmen turn into penises if it snows again
2016-12-15T11:41:42 < ohsix> it also needed more work
2016-12-15T11:42:35 < stvn> ReadErr, i just youtube 'hansen vs predator'
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2016-12-15T11:42:59 < stvn> haven't sniffed around in ages though
2016-12-15T11:43:05 < stvn> too busy repairing
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2016-12-15T11:46:14 < ohsix> lul wut there's an 18650 on the back of this fpga board
2016-12-15T11:46:37 < stvn> ok
2016-12-15T11:46:38 < ohsix> haha it still works
2016-12-15T11:46:42 < stvn> okay
2016-12-15T11:46:48 < stvn> good work oh6
2016-12-15T11:46:58 < ohsix> ikr
2016-12-15T11:47:06 < emeryth> now vape with it
2016-12-15T11:48:59 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-15T11:49:02 < stvn> subohm it o6
2016-12-15T11:50:09 < stvn> o6 the vape bro
2016-12-15T11:50:18 < stvn> massive plumes that get the bitches
2016-12-15T11:50:19 < ohsix> the fanciest 18650 charger
2016-12-15T11:50:35 < stvn> senpai ReadErr knows
2016-12-15T11:51:03 < stvn> riido ero
2016-12-15T11:52:24 < stvn> リイド エロ 
2016-12-15T11:53:00 < ohsix> いいえ
2016-12-15T11:53:33 < ohsix> did you know that, if you know how to say yes and !yes you can figure everything else out
2016-12-15T11:54:01 < stvn> iie
2016-12-15T11:54:02 < stvn> ?
2016-12-15T11:54:26 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/63xDaIdA/vapist.png
2016-12-15T11:54:38 < ohsix> stvn: means no
2016-12-15T11:54:52 < stvn> i remember enrolling in japanese class (year 10) and this hot viet chick with 44 magnum bullets sucked me off
2016-12-15T11:55:10 < stvn> didn't even impregnate her
2016-12-15T11:55:24 < stvn> i'll die a happy man
2016-12-15T11:55:25 < ohsix> ReadErr: haha an actual pepperoni scented cloud sounds worth doing
2016-12-15T11:55:55 < ohsix> do they have fart smelling vape juice
2016-12-15T11:56:07 < ohsix> i don't want to have to go through my google search history
2016-12-15T11:56:23 < stvn> stock, but still funny ReadErr 
2016-12-15T11:56:24 < ohsix> to delete this if i were to look for it ...
2016-12-15T11:56:44 < stvn> they're probably on their way now ohsix 
2016-12-15T11:56:50 < stvn> singing children.
2016-12-15T11:56:56 < ohsix> i'm scared of vape adz
2016-12-15T11:56:56 < stvn> they're riding animals and singing!
2016-12-15T11:57:07 < ohsix> vape aids
2016-12-15T11:57:49 < ohsix> haha there was a dude that kept mentioning docking and a bunch of gay stuff while we were playing the board game at a haxor meetup a few hours ago
2016-12-15T11:58:07 < ohsix> not even a little subtext
2016-12-15T11:58:16 < stvn> okay
2016-12-15T11:58:21 < stvn> cool channel for it
2016-12-15T11:58:31 < stvn> ##stm32 your home for haxing and docking
2016-12-15T11:58:32 < stvn> :P
2016-12-15T11:59:00 < ohsix> https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/71061/dungeonquest-third-edition this game is cool btw
2016-12-15T11:59:11 < ohsix> you die a lot
2016-12-15T11:59:55 < ohsix> if you can find a gay subtext in there that i missed, let me know
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2016-12-15T12:11:59 < stvn> spergin on the network
2016-12-15T12:12:38 < stvn> http://cloner.pro/
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2016-12-15T12:21:03 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/poedamcron/status/808787253405380608
2016-12-15T12:29:05 < ohsix> haaaa this altera thing includes eclipse
2016-12-15T12:29:59 < ohsix> bunch of it is still in tcl/tk too; all these old unix programs still use that shit
2016-12-15T12:34:27 < ReadErr> she only want me for my tendies
2016-12-15T12:35:00 < stvn> what a slut
2016-12-15T12:37:04 < stvn> jackin GBP
2016-12-15T12:39:26 < stvn> pumpin
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2016-12-15T12:43:32 < stvn> let's do the tendies rap
2016-12-15T12:43:43 < stvn> Laurenceb is out of GBP
2016-12-15T12:43:52 < stvn> chicken tendies will set him free
2016-12-15T12:44:03 < stvn> shitposting on STM32, something about the fucken jews
2016-12-15T12:44:04 < ohsix> http://aerotenna.com/ocpoc-cyclone/ lul
2016-12-15T12:44:16 < ohsix> tendies?
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2016-12-15T12:44:27 < Steffanx> Steffanx is right
2016-12-15T12:44:31 < stvn> killed it ohsix 
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2016-12-15T12:46:30 < ohsix> heh this thing, the demo program has an image viewer, the display is one of those high voltage yellow old ass 'lcd' types
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2016-12-15T12:59:33 < ohsix> can anyone field some dumb questions about fpgas
2016-12-15T13:00:30 < ohsix> hm or not, can't figure out how to ask; what does it mean to the configuration when you do something on a clock edge
2016-12-15T13:00:32 < jpa-> we already did this morning
2016-12-15T13:01:12 < jpa-> ohsix: it means that the clock goes to a D flipflop, and whatever is output from the "you do something" is the output from that flipflop
2016-12-15T13:02:34 < ohsix> oic
2016-12-15T13:02:42 < ohsix> ya found an article that references 1164
2016-12-15T13:03:12 < ohsix> ah neat, i don't read the buffer much anymore, people didn't like it heh
2016-12-15T13:04:08 < ohsix> guess i'll save those questions for later generally, roads lead to reading a bunch of dry stuff i may never need to know
2016-12-15T13:04:49 < ohsix> how are delays done?
2016-12-15T13:05:26 < jpa-> generally by having a counter and counting up to N clock cycles
2016-12-15T13:05:28 < ohsix> k too tired and can't even read the thing that literally says what they do, the thing that prompted the question
2016-12-15T13:06:00 < jpa-> "wait until" etc. is not synthetizable and shouldn't be used outside testbenches
2016-12-15T13:06:16 < ohsix> there are 'development kits' that are an altera fpga on them, they're mod chips for xboxes
2016-12-15T13:08:14 < ohsix> that kind of secondary market stuff is great for getting things cheap :\
2016-12-15T13:11:09 < ohsix> the icestick board is delightfully anachronistic: Designers can use the included reference design to simplify the prototyping of a wide variety of applications involving wireless transmission of data or control signals utilizing the onboard IrDA transceiver. Examples include wireless data transmission between two mobile devices such as smartphones, tablets, gaming devices, etc. Wireless control applications such as high end remote controls, TVs, LED lighting con
2016-12-15T13:11:18 < ohsix> you know, all those things that don't have irda!
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2016-12-15T13:13:41 < ohsix> k going to stop blagging, bbl
2016-12-15T13:13:46 < ohsix> jpa-: thanks
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2016-12-15T13:25:52 < Thorn> I've got DMA feeding a data buffer into a peripheral in circular mode. how do I change that data
2016-12-15T13:26:09 < Thorn> do I simply reprogram the dma with the address of another buffer?
2016-12-15T13:27:06 < Thorn> and how do I stop the DMA at the end of the buffer rather than in the middle
2016-12-15T13:31:21 < jpa-> Thorn: the cleanest solution is to use the double buffer mode on STM32F4 (and others with DMAv2)
2016-12-15T13:31:49 < Thorn> I understand it switches buffers after each transfer?
2016-12-15T13:31:58 < Thorn> my updates are relatively rare
2016-12-15T13:32:12 < jpa-> yeah, you can configure it to have "lower half of buffer" and "upper part of buffer" as the pointers normally
2016-12-15T13:32:34 < jpa-> then in the DMA interrupt you can change the lower buffer pointer to new one, and in next interrupt change the upper pointer
2016-12-15T13:34:02 < jpa-> but if you need to do it with DMAv1, you can do it this way:  1. with interrupts disabled, quickly disable the channel, unset "CIRC", re-enable the channel  2. in dma complete interrupt, quickly change the pointer and re-enable the channel  --  the "quickly" must be "before next DMA request deadline occurs"
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2016-12-15T13:40:34 < Thorn> DMAv1 doesn't have double buffer mode?
2016-12-15T13:40:58 < jpa-> nope
2016-12-15T13:46:00 < ReadErr> uhhh
2016-12-15T13:46:02 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlk2RGlI8XM
2016-12-15T13:46:05 < Thorn> ok cool thanks
2016-12-15T13:46:12 < ReadErr> > browsing for ozone generator 
2016-12-15T13:48:41 < Kliment> Do all F4s have DMAv2?
2016-12-15T13:49:25 < jpa-> yes
2016-12-15T13:54:26 < Kliment> neat
2016-12-15T13:56:35 < Kliment> I'm starting to put together a solution for the setup where a master F4 buffers HS USB data in memory, then streams it over a high speed bus to n (1-20) slave F4s, each of which discards it if it's not addressed to it, and DMAs it into local memory otherwise
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2016-12-15T14:17:11 < karlp> anyone tried extending structs like this? http://modelingwithdata.org/arch/00000113.htm
2016-12-15T14:17:48 < karlp> I've tried setting -std=c11, and I just get "warning: declaration does not declare anything" for the lines where the anon struct is listed
2016-12-15T14:20:16 < jpa-> karlp: "the C11 standard and the Microsoft extension versions of this technique differ"   looks like that article gives only the ms version
2016-12-15T14:21:16 < jpa-> "Unless -fms-extensions is used, the unnamed field must be a structure or union definition without a tag (for example, ‘struct { int a; };’). If -fms-extensions is used, the field may also be a definition with a tag such as ‘struct foo { int a; };’, a reference to a previously defined structure or union such as ‘struct foo;’, or a reference to a typedef name for a previously defined structure or 
2016-12-15T14:21:16 < jpa-> union type. "
2016-12-15T14:21:20 < jpa-> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Unnamed-Fields.html
2016-12-15T14:23:18 < karlp> right, so I have a previously defined struct.
2016-12-15T14:23:52 < jpa-> and looks like in C11 standard way you cannot use it
2016-12-15T14:24:15 < karlp> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/506803/18046451/
2016-12-15T14:24:32 < karlp> what's the point of the c11 thing then?
2016-12-15T14:25:52 < karlp> if they all have to be inline anyway, what would have ever been the point of having the nesting?
2016-12-15T14:26:19 < karlp> I mean, I can sort of see it being useful for teh anon union, sort of
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2016-12-15T14:26:47 < jpa-> good question about what's the point for struct
2016-12-15T14:27:27 < karlp> but fuck it, I'll just compose them like oldscool. just an extra .blah between friends
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2016-12-15T14:33:03 < Thorn> how do I retrigger a DMA to SPI transaction? only the 1st one works (F4)
2016-12-15T14:33:22 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-12-15T14:33:31 < Laurenceb_> bbc now says "moderate" in ""
2016-12-15T14:33:33 < Thorn> I tried flipping both TXDMAEN and PE on and off
2016-12-15T14:33:41 < Laurenceb_> tectonic plates shifting
2016-12-15T14:34:15 < Thorn> *TXDMAEN and SPE
2016-12-15T14:35:01 < karlp> Laurenceb_: I think you're missing words.
2016-12-15T14:35:26 < Laurenceb_>  "moderate" Syrian rebels
2016-12-15T14:35:27 < Thorn> timing diagrams seem to show the that DMA request stays active after the transfer is complete because TXE is active
2016-12-15T14:44:23 < jpa-> Thorn: disable and re-enable the channel?
2016-12-15T14:46:16 < Thorn> it is automatically disabled after the transaction is complete, I wait for DMA_SxCR_EN to go to zero (which is not necessary anyway because there is a 0.5 second pause before the next transaction anyway)
2016-12-15T14:46:29 < Thorn> (and no circular mode any more)
2016-12-15T14:47:15 < Thorn> DMA->CR |= DMA_SxCR_EN; only starts it the first time after reset
2016-12-15T14:50:08 < Thorn> and I do reload NDTR and M0AR every time
2016-12-15T14:50:43 < Kliment> Laurenceb_: What did they say before?
2016-12-15T14:50:53 < Laurenceb_> moderate
2016-12-15T14:51:03 < Laurenceb_> they have added the ""
2016-12-15T14:51:20 < Kliment> Oh, that is indeed a shift
2016-12-15T14:52:53 < Laurenceb_> they are preparing for the Trump
2016-12-15T14:53:10 < Laurenceb_> I'm beginning to like this Trump guy
2016-12-15T15:01:10 < ReadErr> hey Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-15T15:01:13 < ReadErr> where is assange
2016-12-15T15:02:32 < dongs> Steffanx: yes.
2016-12-15T15:02:38 < dongs> they email to you in the morning french time.
2016-12-15T15:03:18 < Laurenceb_> ReadErr: too lazy to check the subreddit?
2016-12-15T15:07:24 < dongs> why the fuck would gating VCC+BOOT0 shorted together not work the way i want
2016-12-15T15:08:42 < Emil> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22351703/stm32f030-and-boot0-pin
2016-12-15T15:08:49 < Emil> Could that help?
2016-12-15T15:09:31 < Emil> Also this is what you probably should have
2016-12-15T15:09:32 < Emil> http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/images/1/18/Quick-stm32-basic-circuit.png
2016-12-15T15:10:57 < dongs> i should rephrase the question
2016-12-15T15:11:07 < dongs> i hae a stm32 toggling power to another stm32 in order to flash it
2016-12-15T15:11:23 < dongs> by tying boot0 and vcc to same toggled power source
2016-12-15T15:11:37 < karlp> does it always fail to come up, or just sometimes?
2016-12-15T15:11:58 < Thorn> DMA2->LIFCR = DMA_LIFCR_CHTIF3 | DMA_LIFCR_CTCIF3 | DMA_LIFCR_CTEIF3 | DMA_LIFCR_CDMEIF3 | DMA_LIFCR_CFEIF3;
2016-12-15T15:12:12 < Thorn> before re-enabling the stream
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2016-12-15T15:14:02 < dongs> karlp: random, mostlyfail
2016-12-15T15:14:13 < c10ud^^> dongs, probably vcc gets up faster than boot0 does
2016-12-15T15:14:14 < karlp> is nrst tied where?
2016-12-15T15:14:25 < dongs> pulled up to same vcc
2016-12-15T15:14:27 < dongs> via 10k
2016-12-15T15:14:35 < dongs> i mean, the board clearly comes up in bootloader mode
2016-12-15T15:15:21 < dongs> cuz firmware doesnt r un
2016-12-15T15:15:26 < dongs> but i still cant talk to the bootloader.
2016-12-15T15:15:40 < Kliment> dongs: Is it trying to run from ram?
2016-12-15T15:15:45 < dongs> then nothign changs and it works
2016-12-15T15:15:51 < dongs> no
2016-12-15T15:15:58 < dongs> theres no boot1 or option bytes.
2016-12-15T15:16:04 < dongs> when it does work, nothing is different
2016-12-15T15:16:33 < c10ud^^> race condition in <somepin>, check delays in datasheet
2016-12-15T15:17:25 < Kliment> dongs: Anything vaguely clock-like coming in on the xtal pins?
2016-12-15T15:17:33 < dongs> no crystal
2016-12-15T15:17:42 < Kliment> dongs: yeah, but is there some signal there?>
2016-12-15T15:17:54 < Kliment> dongs: It might THINK there's a crystal and try to use it
2016-12-15T15:18:21 < dongs> no i mean, board works. that part is fine.
2016-12-15T15:18:31 < dongs> its hte part where i tryr to bring it uop in bootloader mode and flash from my stm32 flasher
2016-12-15T15:20:42 < dongs> i even put all the other connected pins into AIN mode when power is off
2016-12-15T15:20:48 < dongs> incase there was some leaakage thorugh iO pins
2016-12-15T15:20:50 < dongs> still nothing
2016-12-15T15:20:58 < dongs> mostly fails, like 1 out of 10 times itll work
2016-12-15T15:21:34 < dongs> baudrate of flash seems no effect.
2016-12-15T15:21:43 < dongs> fails jsut as bad at 57600 as 480600
2016-12-15T15:22:40 < karlp> hrm, debugging bootloader->app transition is teh suck
2016-12-15T15:23:18 < dongs> also, chances of it working right after i reflash the programmer board are high
2016-12-15T15:23:38 < dongs> reflash -> start programming = most likely success.
2016-12-15T15:24:31 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: no I havent
2016-12-15T15:24:38 < ReadErr> I need a pro like you to filter the noise
2016-12-15T15:24:41 < dongs> i think im just gonna replace FET with another 3.3V reg
2016-12-15T15:24:43 < dongs> and toggle its enable pin
2016-12-15T15:24:46 < dongs> to power up the target
2016-12-15T15:26:28 < dongs> wonder if ST can fuckup if rise time is too low
2016-12-15T15:26:36 < dongs> on vcc
2016-12-15T15:31:07 < Kliment> dongs: what are you using to bl?
2016-12-15T15:31:29 < Kliment> dongs: spi, uart, i2c?
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2016-12-15T15:36:05 < Thorn> so you can't control SPI frequency with better resolution than APB2 clock / 2,4,8,...?
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2016-12-15T15:38:19 < kakimir> Thorn: what are you trying?
2016-12-15T15:40:16 < Thorn> generate a signal using spi and a bit pattern
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2016-12-15T15:58:45 < Thorn> STUPCNT
2016-12-15T16:01:01 < Rickta59> i've thought about feeding the sclk from a timer and use spi setup as a slave .. but i've not done it to see if it works
2016-12-15T16:01:21 < Rickta59> are you only using one part of the spi Thorn ?
2016-12-15T16:02:11 < Thorn> I'm using it in tx only mode
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2016-12-15T16:02:32 < Rickta59> so you might try something like that and tell me if it works 
2016-12-15T16:02:39 < dongs> uart
2016-12-15T16:02:42 < Thorn> fed by dma because otherwise there are pauses between bytes
2016-12-15T16:02:55 < dongs> Rickta59: works
2016-12-15T16:03:00 < Rickta59> thanks dongs 
2016-12-15T16:03:02 < dongs> i did exactly that
2016-12-15T16:03:16 < dongs> much control over spi speed.
2016-12-15T16:04:15 < Thorn> macgyver would be proud of you
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2016-12-15T16:18:58 < kakimir> when you lose your browser tabs and don't remember what your life was about
2016-12-15T16:19:16 < kakimir> fersh new start
2016-12-15T16:19:19 < kakimir> *fresh
2016-12-15T16:21:34 < Thorn> http://cs9.pikabu.ru/post_img/2016/12/14/10/1481737054165374665.jpg
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2016-12-15T16:41:55 < karlp> heh, seeed is moving everything from eagle to kicad.
2016-12-15T16:42:05 < karlp> convierting their "open parts library" 
2016-12-15T16:42:06 < emeryth> nice
2016-12-15T16:48:35 < kakimir> about time
2016-12-15T16:48:54 < kakimir> kicad rules
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2016-12-15T16:50:40 < Kliment> kicad eagle part import doesn't unfortunately
2016-12-15T16:50:59 < Kliment> And I really wish it had backannotation
2016-12-15T16:51:01 < emeryth> because eagle parts are incompatible with freedom
2016-12-15T16:54:40 < Emil> if only kicad had a real ui designer working for it
2016-12-15T16:55:14 < Kliment> They do have a couple since CERN adopted the project
2016-12-15T16:55:20 < Kliment> It's just slow going
2016-12-15T16:55:47 < Emil> There is yet hope <3
2016-12-15T16:57:40 < karlp> lbah, bootloader wasn't jumping to the app because althought I'd made the linker script have the right new flash address, I hadn't actually said to _use_ that linker script
2016-12-15T16:57:43 < karlp> dumb....
2016-12-15T17:02:54 < jadew> I don't mind kicad's UI
2016-12-15T17:03:10 < jadew> I hated it at first, but once you learn the shortcuts it doesn't get in the way
2016-12-15T17:04:07 < jadew> what I'd like to see in kicad is controlled impedance and stitching
2016-12-15T17:04:21 < jadew> and round corners
2016-12-15T17:04:23 < Kliment> I dislike the rendering - it's laggy and quite cpu-intensive
2016-12-15T17:04:47 < jadew> Kliment, there's an opengl engine too
2016-12-15T17:04:57 < jadew> but I prefer the classic one
2016-12-15T17:05:00 < Kliment> And I'm not a fan of the library creation workflow or the one-way workflow
2016-12-15T17:05:12 < Kliment> I like to do iterative layout
2016-12-15T17:05:50 < Kliment> Put a few parts in schem, route the exciting bits, then add a bunch of other parts, route the less exciting bits
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2016-12-15T17:15:21 < emeryth> and why can't you do it in kicad?
2016-12-15T17:20:29 < Kliment> you can, it's just not as smooth because no backannotation
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2016-12-15T17:21:02 < Kliment> So for example in eagle you can do things like change part values or packages from within the layout, without ever having to go back to schematic
2016-12-15T17:21:21 < Kliment> The schematic automagically updates itself by backannotation
2016-12-15T17:22:40 < Kliment> in kicad any significant change to the topology of the circuit does not propagate cleanly to the board
2016-12-15T17:23:08 < Kliment> and you can't make changes at board level easily at all
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2016-12-15T17:42:40 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOd4-T_p5fA quad related
2016-12-15T17:46:42 < ReadErr> video expire: too old
2016-12-15T17:47:58 < kakimir> remember when quads were cool?
2016-12-15T17:49:58 < ReadErr> totes
2016-12-15T17:51:15 < Kliment> quad spi is still cool
2016-12-15T17:53:42 < kakimir> true
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2016-12-15T18:17:09 < Laurenceb> hello trolls
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2016-12-15T18:25:44 < Tectu> people
2016-12-15T18:25:49 < Tectu> I welcome you
2016-12-15T18:27:26 < karlp> is there any trick allowing building a binary that can either work as second stage, post bootloader, or as primary, without rebuilding with a different linkerscript/entrypoint?
2016-12-15T18:27:32 < karlp> can you do PIE stuff for stm32?
2016-12-15T18:28:55 < Laurenceb> stvn dindu nuffin
2016-12-15T18:32:18 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/b8f721b101dedca365d48d001777780569a6ae35f4e41c59e1e115bb6c2535b2.png
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2016-12-15T18:35:31 < zyp> karlp, position independent code usually involves runtime symbol resolution by the dynamic linker
2016-12-15T18:36:14 < karlp> zyp: fair enough I guess.
2016-12-15T18:36:52 < Laurenceb> pebble does something like that
2016-12-15T18:36:54 < zyp> for a bunch of stuff you could get away with using relative addressing everywhere, but you'll eventually run into a limit where that won't work
2016-12-15T18:36:59 < zyp> vector table, for instance
2016-12-15T18:37:44 < zyp> when you're doing XIP flash, you can't do the symbol resolution at runtime, but you could do it at flashing time
2016-12-15T18:38:01 < zyp> i.e. your bootloader could relocate the application to where it would run
2016-12-15T18:38:22 < zyp> karlp, what problem are you trying to solve?
2016-12-15T18:38:39 < karlp> not really, was just thinking if I could easily have my app built both ways, for with/without bootloader
2016-12-15T18:38:51 < karlp> not 100% sure about the bootloader yet (not even finished) 
2016-12-15T18:39:03 < karlp> no big deal though really.
2016-12-15T18:39:54 < zyp> we had a project at work where we had two firmware copies stored after the bootloader, so you could keep previous version when flashing latest
2016-12-15T18:40:04 < karlp> yeah, that's way more flash space :)
2016-12-15T18:40:26 < karlp> did you have to build both A/B versions?
2016-12-15T18:40:50 < karlp> and make sure you flashed the right one to the right place?
2016-12-15T18:41:24 < zyp> well, one of the guys did some work so there would only be a single image to distribute
2016-12-15T18:42:32 < zyp> instead of building a whole dynamic linker into the bootloader, he made a diff format for the image
2016-12-15T18:43:32 < zyp> so A/B versions where built, then ran through a tool that compared the versions and threw away all redundant data
2016-12-15T18:44:39 < zyp> IIRC the format consisted of a series of blocks with a header stating either «this is block is identical for both» or «here's n bytes of A version followed by n bytes of B version»
2016-12-15T18:44:54 < zyp> so bootloader just filtered out the relevant version while flashing
2016-12-15T18:45:28 < zyp> typical overhead was something like 3% over each plain image
2016-12-15T18:46:11 < zyp> nice and simple approach for that problem
2016-12-15T18:46:22 < zyp> but not really any benefit for your problem
2016-12-15T18:47:39 < zyp> IMO there's not really much point in having an image that can both be flashed with and without bootloader
2016-12-15T18:48:05 < zyp> if you already have a bootloader, you might as well use it while debugging as well
2016-12-15T18:48:26 < zyp> and until you've got the bootloader in place, you might as well just build for plain target
2016-12-15T18:51:07 < karlp> yeah, this is just the transition point.
2016-12-15T18:51:15 < karlp> never had a bootloader before, looking at adding one.
2016-12-15T18:51:19 < karlp> just goign to go with bootloader all the time.
2016-12-15T18:51:42 < karlp> thinking of supporting the bootloader using the CRC periph to validate the flash though
2016-12-15T18:51:54 < karlp> I see you just check that the vector table looks remotely sane.
2016-12-15T18:55:13 < zyp> I check for a valid flash addr in the reset vector, yes
2016-12-15T18:56:19 < zyp> that case is mainly there for production
2016-12-15T18:57:11 < zyp> after bootloader is written, there's no main firmware and as such bootloader should automatically run since that's used in production for writing the main firmware
2016-12-15T18:57:43 < Rob235> grr I hate when I have so many tabs open that even the logo of the site doesn't show on the tab
2016-12-15T18:58:15 < zyp> after the main firmware is written once, that case is unlikely to ever trigger again
2016-12-15T19:00:31 < karlp> you don't ever have any concern about bad flash operation?
2016-12-15T19:01:02 < karlp> how do you deal with something like watchdogs?  at the moment, app fucku-> watchdog, reset, hope it doesn't just boot loop.
2016-12-15T19:01:10 < karlp> and if itwas a glitch, great, it's back in action.
2016-12-15T19:01:30 < karlp> is there any good path of not just bootlooping through the bootloader too?
2016-12-15T19:01:36 < zyp> for a HID input adapter, I'm not really concerned about crashes, user is able to recover from any problems
2016-12-15T19:01:46 < karlp> I guess only ifyou have an input like, "please really really enter bootloader mode"
2016-12-15T19:02:29 < karlp> yeah, I don't have any external input, it's just going to be boot loop like before.
2016-12-15T19:02:52 < karlp> unless I just make the bootloader stall for a few seconds, allowing an interrupt
2016-12-15T19:03:08 < zyp> a bad flash would result in an inproperly working device, probably deadlocking, and user would probably just try reflashing the device if this happened after a firmware upgrade
2016-12-15T19:03:34 < zyp> well, you should definitely have some sort of recovery mode trigger
2016-12-15T19:03:46 < karlp> hah. nope.
2016-12-15T19:04:08 < zyp> I mean, I wouldn't want to make anything user flashable that's not user recoverable
2016-12-15T19:04:16 < zyp> that sounds like a support nightmare
2016-12-15T19:04:19 < karlp> not really intended to be _user_ flashable,
2016-12-15T19:04:25 < karlp> mroe that the system can update portions of itself
2016-12-15T19:05:02 < zyp> yeah, in that case you'll want validation everywhere it matters
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2016-12-15T19:05:39 < karlp> yeah, I think letting the bootloader calc the crc and simply not even exiting bootloader mode unless explicitly told might be viable
2016-12-15T19:05:49 < karlp> well. hmm. pretty backwards incompatible .)
2016-12-15T19:05:51 < zyp> when I had to make a bootloader upgrade for the first devices I shipped with a fucked up bootloader, I used the CRC-periph to self-validate the bootloader-upgrader before letting it run
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2016-12-15T19:07:43 < zyp> because the bootloader-upgrader crashing after erasing the bootloader, before completing writing of the new one, would brick the device
2016-12-15T19:08:27 < zyp> so it self-validates, runs, and then self-erases so it would only run once
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2016-12-15T19:32:44 < karlp> ok, _think_ I've got the device side.
2016-12-15T19:32:49 < dongs> how many times can i send 0x7F to st bootlodaer
2016-12-15T19:32:57 < karlp> now just need the damn host side to send this new bootloader shits
2016-12-15T19:34:03 < aandrew> I've haven't touched ST's bootloader
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2016-12-15T19:39:22 < dongs> hm ok so teh fail is not replying to GetVer
2016-12-15T19:39:35 < dongs> wtf
2016-12-15T19:40:05 < dongs> it enters bootloader
2016-12-15T19:40:11 < dongs> 0x7F -> 0x79 reply
2016-12-15T19:40:31 < dongs> get ver = 0x01 0xFE
2016-12-15T19:40:33 < dongs> that goes over
2016-12-15T19:40:43 < dongs> ACK to that returns
2016-12-15T19:40:46 < dongs> but reading more bytes fails.
2016-12-15T19:40:47 < dongs> da fuq
2016-12-15T19:43:29 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2016-12-15T19:43:46 < Laurenceb> I get 429 error if I enter facebook into google trends
2016-12-15T19:44:18 < Laurenceb> they wuz paid off by zuckerberg
2016-12-15T19:45:03 < dongs> hmmgot response as B9 once
2016-12-15T19:45:51 < dongs> top bit missing.
2016-12-15T19:45:59 < dongs> or rather, addded
2016-12-15T19:47:10 < karlp> you're sure you're in the right parity
2016-12-15T19:47:22 < karlp> st's magic 9 bit mode because parity is/isn't included?
2016-12-15T19:48:03 < dongs> hm no frame error
2016-12-15T19:48:21 < dongs> it works
2016-12-15T19:48:25 < dongs> 2 out of 10 tries.
2016-12-15T19:48:45 < dongs> if I reset the STM thats flashing, that increases to like 8/10 tries
2016-12-15T19:50:04 < dongs> ok now its FE
2016-12-15T19:50:06 < dongs> err
2016-12-15T19:50:06 < dongs> F9
2016-12-15T19:50:19 < dongs> before this worked like 5 times
2016-12-15T19:50:21 < dongs> failed on 6th
2016-12-15T19:50:22 < dongs> after reset
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2016-12-15T20:10:41 < Tectu> what the fuck standardization people.... screw terminal block:   UL-Rated current: 10A,   EN-rated current: 17.5A
2016-12-15T20:11:59 < Kliment> Tectu: That's because the temp rise permitted by each standard is different
2016-12-15T20:12:41 < Kliment> Tectu: That's why you always use the contact resistance and do the math for your application
2016-12-15T20:13:22 < Tectu> Kliment, I see
2016-12-15T20:13:23 < Kliment> Tectu: But if you're designing a device that will be UL-rated, you need to stay under the UL limits
2016-12-15T20:13:32 < Tectu> UL > EN?
2016-12-15T20:13:47 < Kliment> Tectu: UL is a US industry testing lab
2016-12-15T20:14:16 < Tectu> and EN is Laurenceb trollcorp testing basement?
2016-12-15T20:14:32 < Kliment> Tectu: If you use UL-listed components within their ratings, you don't need to test that particular aspect of the component within your application to get the entire thing UL-listed
2016-12-15T20:14:46 < Kliment> the EN is a standard number
2016-12-15T20:15:07 < Tectu> Kliment, very interesting, good to know
2016-12-15T20:15:10 < Kliment> Anyways, different testing protocols, different applications
2016-12-15T20:15:53 < Kliment> the UL limit is more conservative because it doesn't permit much temp rise
2016-12-15T20:18:54 < Tectu> Kliment, have you ever used these? http://www.littelfuse.com/products/resettable-ptcs/line-voltage-rated-devices/lvr/lvr200s.aspx
2016-12-15T20:23:29 < Kliment> not that particular one
2016-12-15T20:23:33 < Kliment> but yes
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2016-12-15T20:42:19 < Laurenceb> yup EN is what I use
2016-12-15T20:43:14 < Rob235> where do I find 256mb ddr3 chip?
2016-12-15T20:43:21 < Rob235> smaller would be fine
2016-12-15T20:44:34 < zyp> millibits?
2016-12-15T20:44:46 < Rob235> MB
2016-12-15T20:45:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8
2016-12-15T20:45:50 < zyp> what layout? 8x256M
2016-12-15T20:45:53 < zyp> ?
2016-12-15T20:46:40 < Rob235> what is that megabits?
2016-12-15T20:46:44 < Rob235> sure
2016-12-15T20:47:01 < Rob235> actually I probably don't need that much so really anything
2016-12-15T20:47:13 < Rob235> not sure what layout I want yet
2016-12-15T20:48:20 < zyp> you should probably start by figuring out what the fuck you want first then
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2016-12-15T20:50:09 < Rob235> well it also depends on price
2016-12-15T20:51:04 < Rob235> what are they called though? memory chips?
2016-12-15T20:51:16 < Rob235> anything specific
2016-12-15T20:51:20 < zyp> potato chips
2016-12-15T20:56:49 < Kliment> Rob235: What is the application? How are you interfacing it?
2016-12-15T20:57:27 < Tectu> sometimes I get the feeling that Kliment is way too serious for ##stm32
2016-12-15T20:57:37 < Tectu> (not that I wouldn't appreciate it)
2016-12-15T20:57:56 < Kliment> Tectu: I get that feeling too
2016-12-15T20:58:09 < Rob235> heres a paste of a product with what I want but I cant see a part number or anything: (SORRY FOR THE MULTILINE)
2016-12-15T20:58:11 < Rob235> 256 MByte DDR3 SDRAM:
2016-12-15T20:58:12 < Rob235> Up to 400 MHz clock frequency
2016-12-15T20:58:13 < Rob235> 16 Bit bus width
2016-12-15T20:58:13 < Rob235> Up to 1600 MByte/s data rate
2016-12-15T20:58:15 < Rob235> Usable with the Xilinx Memory Interface Generator (MIG)
2016-12-15T20:58:25 < Rob235> that last one
2016-12-15T20:58:28 < Rob235> is most important
2016-12-15T20:59:12 < Rob235> 8MB would probably even be fine
2016-12-15T20:59:15 < Kliment> Rob235: That's a 16Mx16 memory
2016-12-15T20:59:24 < Kliment> Oh, never mind, it's not
2016-12-15T20:59:35 < Kliment> 128Mx16
2016-12-15T21:00:07 < Rob235> I'd probably want something more like x32
2016-12-15T21:00:21 < Rob235> but either way, I can't seem to find these shits on mouser/digikey
2016-12-15T21:00:26 < Rob235> not sure what im looking for
2016-12-15T21:00:48 < Kliment> the 16 is the bus width
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2016-12-15T21:00:56 < Kliment> So ok, let's look at some parts
2016-12-15T21:01:40 < Rob235> https://www.xilinx.com/products/intellectual-property/mig.html
2016-12-15T21:01:43 < Kliment> Rob235: So 16Mbytes or 16MBits?
2016-12-15T21:03:03 < Rob235> like I said, size isn't that important. lets just say a min of 8 megabytes
2016-12-15T21:04:00 < Kliment> Rob235: x16 memory is not available that small in ddr3
2016-12-15T21:04:12 < Rob235> what is it, more like x8?
2016-12-15T21:04:37 < Rob235> ok so say 256MB
2016-12-15T21:04:38 < Rob235> megabytes
2016-12-15T21:04:53 < Kliment> Rob235: try IS43TR16640B-125JBL
2016-12-15T21:04:58 < Rob235> ok thanks
2016-12-15T21:05:00 < Kliment> Rob235: digikey has 390 in stock
2016-12-15T21:05:39 < Kliment> That's a 1Gbit(64Mx16, 128MB)
2016-12-15T21:06:01 < Rob235> ahh ok I see what I'm looking for now, thanks man
2016-12-15T21:06:43 < Kliment> Rob235: Be careful with the supported voltages
2016-12-15T21:06:55 < Rob235> ok i'll look into it
2016-12-15T21:07:01 < Kliment> Rob235: The LPDDR ones are lower voltage
2016-12-15T21:07:09 < Rob235> speed is most important
2016-12-15T21:07:12 < Rob235> and price
2016-12-15T21:07:23 < Kliment> Well then use that exact one
2016-12-15T21:07:34 < Rob235> the lpddr one? or the one you linked
2016-12-15T21:07:44 < Kliment> No, it's not lpddr, it's normal ddr3
2016-12-15T21:07:54 < Rob235> ok thanks
2016-12-15T21:12:07 < Kliment> A precisely manufactured array of tiny capacitors :)
2016-12-15T21:13:20 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/Leftwithsharpedge
2016-12-15T21:13:41 < Rob235> hmm $4 for 1Gb DDR3 or $8 for 4Gb DDR4
2016-12-15T21:13:51 < Rob235> if I can use ddr4
2016-12-15T21:14:58 < Steffanx> What's you planning Rob235?
2016-12-15T21:15:04 < Rob235> its a secret
2016-12-15T21:15:08 < Steffanx> Are you going to route ddr4?
2016-12-15T21:15:16 < Steffanx> + solder bga
2016-12-15T21:15:25 < Rob235> looking into it
2016-12-15T21:15:50 < Rob235> saw someone use an electric skillet to do bga :)
2016-12-15T21:16:11 < Steffanx> But.. I would start with something more simple
2016-12-15T21:16:19 < Rob235> in what sense
2016-12-15T21:16:28 < Rob235> buy some cheap bga to test on?
2016-12-15T21:17:09 < Rob235> are there protoboard (not breadboards) that has a place for a bga component?
2016-12-15T21:17:15 < Rob235> like can you buy something to make a breakout board
2016-12-15T21:17:22 < Rob235> (for prototyping)
2016-12-15T21:18:03 < Steffanx> Routing ddr4, fpga / whatever sounds like a pretty ambitious for someone with no too much experience. But i wont stop you:P
2016-12-15T21:18:32 < Rob235> im still in the research phase determining feasibility of everything :)
2016-12-15T21:19:55 < Kliment> BGA is not too difficult to solder, it's just difficult to test/inspect
2016-12-15T21:20:28 < Rob235> Steffanx: you know I like to dive into the deep end with stuff :)
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2016-12-15T21:32:36 < Laurenceb> <Steffanx> Routing ddr4, fpga / whatever sounds like a pretty ambitious for someone with no too much experience
2016-12-15T21:32:38 < Laurenceb> top kek
2016-12-15T21:33:41 < Laurenceb> lulwut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R34WDTUXSc
2016-12-15T21:33:48 < Laurenceb> fucking attention seekers
2016-12-15T21:34:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSEAGCzHQK4
2016-12-15T21:35:39 < Laurenceb> the older /pol/ack MILF
2016-12-15T21:35:42 < englishman> papa steffan
2016-12-15T21:35:44 < englishman> make it stop
2016-12-15T21:36:45 < Laurenceb> I'm a gunna route DDR4 on muh arduino
2016-12-15T21:36:51 < Laurenceb> it will never stop
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2016-12-15T21:39:14 < Rob235> ddr3 significantly easier?
2016-12-15T21:43:34 < Steffanx> Watch some videos of people doing it on youtubr
2016-12-15T21:43:43 < Steffanx> Some tool make it semi easy.
2016-12-15T21:43:47 < Steffanx> Tools*
2016-12-15T21:45:15 <@englishman> thanks mr stef
2016-12-15T21:45:24 < Rob235> ehh http://bit.ly/2gPLvyk
2016-12-15T21:46:04 < Thorn> and you're going to solder that in a skillet?
2016-12-15T21:46:29 <@englishman> Model Number:best
2016-12-15T21:46:50 < Rob235> possibly :)
2016-12-15T21:46:56 <@englishman> .8mm pitch shouldnt be too bad
2016-12-15T21:47:24 < Thorn> at least ask azonenberg in ##fpga first
2016-12-15T21:47:43 <@englishman> lol
2016-12-15T21:48:14 < Rob235> how much would it cost to do things right the cheapest way
2016-12-15T21:48:21 < Rob235> and which method is that
2016-12-15T21:48:49 < Thorn> find a module (fpga+ram on a small pcb)
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2016-12-15T21:49:20 < Rob235> they mark up the price so damn much just by soldering it to a 'breakout' board
2016-12-15T21:49:39 < Rob235> any eval board is crazy
2016-12-15T21:50:18 < Thorn> those who sell fpgas in single units mark up even more
2016-12-15T21:50:47 < Rob235> that doesnt matter though, I can't change that
2016-12-15T22:01:08 < Kliment> Rob235: http://www.xess.com/shop/product/xula2-lx25/
2016-12-15T22:02:53 < Rob235> its not ddr3 :(
2016-12-15T22:04:19 < Kliment> Rob235: Eh?
2016-12-15T22:04:31 <@englishman> lo
2016-12-15T22:04:46 < Rob235> the memory on it
2016-12-15T22:04:57 < Rob235> I need really fast access to memory
2016-12-15T22:05:13 < Rob235> Id really prefer it to be in the processor
2016-12-15T22:05:21 < Rob235> but thats like 1-2k
2016-12-15T22:07:19 < Rob235> am I missing something?
2016-12-15T22:07:39 < Kliment> Rob235: It's got a data rate of 2.6Gbps
2016-12-15T22:09:39 < Rob235> honestly I haven't looked into or done the numbers to know what I need.  What is ddr3?
2016-12-15T22:09:45 < Kliment> Rob235: It's not like you can keep a DDR3 chip fed at its max data rate
2016-12-15T22:10:05 < Rob235> I think its random access speed that I want
2016-12-15T22:11:30 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-wheel_coupling why it's called a fifth wheel coupling?
2016-12-15T22:11:47 < Kliment> Rob235: You're fine for speed.
2016-12-15T22:12:15 < Kliment> Rob235: Random access speed is pretty good with random access memory
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2016-12-15T22:14:54 < kakimir> okay it was like company name
2016-12-15T22:14:57 < kakimir> trademark
2016-12-15T22:15:22 < Rob235> pretty good isn't good enough.  anything external is possibly too slow so I have to decide on something to try and see if it will even work with external memory.  I need to learn aboug fpgas more
2016-12-15T22:16:44 < Rob235> I wish I knew everything.  I thought I would be able to link 2+ fpgas to increase memory and keep internal speed but I guess gpio has a separate clock?
2016-12-15T22:17:14 < Kliment> Rob235: the external memory is no slower than the internal
2016-12-15T22:17:33 < Rob235> for random read/writes?
2016-12-15T22:17:36 < Kliment> Rob235: Yes
2016-12-15T22:17:50 < Rob235> I'm confused
2016-12-15T22:18:22 < Kliment> Rob235: That you are
2016-12-15T22:18:44 < Rob235> is sdram slower than bram?
2016-12-15T22:19:18 < Rob235> you are saying its not correct
2016-12-15T22:19:19 < Kliment> Rob235: SDRAM is shockingly overwhelmingly fast
2016-12-15T22:19:35 < Rob235> ok let me order some cheaper parts and do some testing
2016-12-15T22:19:40 < Thorn> https://www.aldec.com/en/products/prototyping/hes-7 this is what you need lol
2016-12-15T22:19:41 < Rob235> so that I have an idea of what I'm talking about
2016-12-15T22:20:47 < Rob235> haha that would be great, I'm looking for a pricetag
2016-12-15T22:21:06 < Kliment> Rob235: The thing I linked has a price tag
2016-12-15T22:21:32 < Kliment> Rob235: here's a smaller one http://www.xess.com/shop/product/xula2-lx9/
2016-12-15T22:22:37 < Rob235> $20k
2016-12-15T22:22:38 < Rob235> heh
2016-12-15T22:23:50 < Kliment> $69 is not bad
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2016-12-15T22:30:23 < Steffanx> The DE0-Nano is cheaper than that, especially when you get the "academic" version.
2016-12-15T22:30:30 < Steffanx> What's the plan Rob235?
2016-12-15T22:30:59 < Steffanx> or de0-nano-soc, gives you an extra dual core ARM A9 Rob235 :P ( http://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&CategoryNo=165&No=941&PartNo=2 )
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2016-12-15T22:32:16 < BrainDamage> my first fpga was a cyclone 2 breakout board off ebay for 20 bucks
2016-12-15T22:32:58 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2016-12-15T22:35:01 < BrainDamage> still being sold apparentlyhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/1PCS-ALTERA-FPGA-Cyslonell-EP2C5T144-Minimum-System-Learning-Development-Board/381505644919?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D479d3e868cad4b6daa26f79abe99f7d3%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291690168965
2016-12-15T22:35:11 < BrainDamage> there's probably way better deals nowdays tough
2016-12-15T22:36:18 < Steffanx> Yeah, At least Cyclone IV for < $20
2016-12-15T22:36:34 < Steffanx> or 
2016-12-15T22:36:35 < Steffanx> V
2016-12-15T22:36:43 < Steffanx> oh no lies
2016-12-15T22:37:20 < BrainDamage> it's cheap shit mostly to learn or to implement hardwired logic tough
2016-12-15T22:37:28 < BrainDamage> as in, forget x264 cores
2016-12-15T22:37:56 < Steffanx> But that's what the cool kids want nowadays...
2016-12-15T22:38:39 < BrainDamage> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2016-12-15T22:48:50 < Kliment> the little ice is around $20 no?
2016-12-15T22:49:48 < Kliment> ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN
2016-12-15T22:55:16 < Tectu> I got about a dozen different cyclone FPGA dev-boards and a nice iCE40 one
2016-12-15T22:55:20 < Tectu> +1 for the iCE
2016-12-15T22:56:14 < Tectu> http://www.latticesemi.com/iceblink40-hx1k
2016-12-15T22:56:18 < Tectu> that ^
2016-12-15T22:56:19 < Steffanx> -1 for +1-ing.
2016-12-15T22:57:07 < Kliment> +sqrt(-1) then
2016-12-15T22:58:07 < Tectu> digilent has nice boards too
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2016-12-15T23:23:47 < Thorn> why are there 4 different ref manulals for stm32f41x
2016-12-15T23:25:30 < boB_K7IQ> Which ones ?  Letsee...  datasheet, user manual, maybe programmers' reference...
2016-12-15T23:26:12 < Thorn> • STM32F410 reference manual (RM0401) STM32F412 reference manual (RM0402) STM32F411xC/E reference manual (RM0383) STM32F413/423 reference manual(RM0430)
2016-12-15T23:26:17 <@englishman> f410, f411, f412, f413, f417
2016-12-15T23:26:20 <@englishman> 5 lol
2016-12-15T23:29:05 < Thorn> https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/the-us-government-wants-to-know-if-you-buy-a-dildo-online
2016-12-15T23:30:42 < boB_K7IQ> I get all of mine online
2016-12-15T23:31:03 < Tectu> that's why I got a lathe
2016-12-15T23:31:50 < boB_K7IQ> :)
2016-12-15T23:31:51 < Kliment> Tectu: So you can polish your knobs?
2016-12-15T23:32:30 < Kliment> Tectu: But realistically, lathes are terrible at working with soft materials
2016-12-15T23:33:03 < Tectu> Kliment, I like it hard
2016-12-15T23:33:03 < Kliment> Tectu: I've machined PTFE parts and already it gets problematic unless the cutting tools are extremely fresh and the part is very well supported
2016-12-15T23:33:40 < Tectu> Kliment, I usually use stainless steel or similar and put a peltier element in there to warm them up
2016-12-15T23:33:42 < Kliment> Tectu: I guess you could machine a positive, cast a mold around it, then cast a part in the mold
2016-12-15T23:33:43 < BrainDamage> hand blown glass dildos
2016-12-15T23:34:05 < Kliment> Tectu: But at that point, you might as well 3d print the negative mold
2016-12-15T23:34:33 < Tectu> can we please stop using my nick if we keep discussing this? :p
2016-12-15T23:35:34 < Kliment> Tectu: I don't care one way or the other
2016-12-15T23:37:07 < BrainDamage> ho sistemato un pò l'antishake del video, ora è quasi tollerabile, esempio: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6spltvexyassjb/cut.mkv?dl=0 originale: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4stdbvqb3496d3/meh3.mkv?dl=0 ti consiglio di mettere dl=1 altrimenti dropbox ti riduce la qualità pesantemente
2016-12-15T23:37:15 < BrainDamage> bleh, wrong channel
2016-12-15T23:37:56 < karlp> Thorn: same for f0 and l0...
2016-12-15T23:38:12 < karlp> different periphs, particularly f4 I guess they got sick of adding "this section only applies to model x"
2016-12-15T23:38:33 < Thorn> yeah I remember a lot of that shit in rm0008
2016-12-15T23:39:29 < karlp> especially with f4, there's all sorts of different periphs in some ofthem
2016-12-15T23:42:04 < Tectu> best rm is rm00090
2016-12-15T23:45:39 < karlp> RM0038!
2016-12-15T23:47:41 < jadew> "There's a real threat that foreign hackers could also obtain sensitive data—like your gender identity, your religious beliefs, or your favorite butt plug size"
2016-12-15T23:48:27 < Tectu> I'm not sure if "favorite" is the appropriate term here
2016-12-15T23:49:34 < BrainDamage> "necessary"
2016-12-15T23:51:08 < jadew> http://cdn.citylab.com/media/img/citylab/2014/10/RTR4AGCR/lead_large.jpg
2016-12-15T23:51:32 < Kliment> jadew: There's an equally real threat of non-foreign adversaries obtaining this info
2016-12-15T23:51:43 < Kliment> jadew: Such as your insurance company, or employer
2016-12-15T23:51:54 < jadew> or worse, your neighbour
2016-12-15T23:52:41 < jadew> there'll always be stupid laws
2016-12-15T23:55:02 < jadew> if that thing gets a green light, you can bet plenty of people will end up getting black mailed
2016-12-15T23:55:42 < jadew> it's the kind of thing to which a lot of people would have access too
2016-12-15T23:57:11 < Thorn> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186
2016-12-15T23:58:19 < jadew> brilliant
2016-12-15T23:59:15 < jadew> after they're done with that, they'll add "automatic suggestions" capabilities
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2016-12-16T00:02:52 < jadew> http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161209-why-this-hi-tech-luxury-toilet-costs-10000
2016-12-16T00:03:19 < jadew> "A warm toilet seat isn’t most people’s idea of heaven, typically indicating a previous occupant only recently departed. [...] Press it, and a robot arm slides out underneath you, offering a range of water jet speeds and angles, followed by a hot air finale."
2016-12-16T00:03:30 < jadew> "It is, perhaps unsurprisingly, a Japanese brand"
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2016-12-16T01:14:30 < Rob235> grr where can I find something like this for cheap? http://www.chipquik.com/store/images/PRODUCTS/BGA0006_0.JPG
2016-12-16T01:16:50 < karlp> you don't.
2016-12-16T01:16:57 < karlp> you don't get to have your cake and eat it.
2016-12-16T01:17:06 < karlp> you either go all in, reach for the stars and build your own bga,
2016-12-16T01:17:13 < karlp> or you buy built up breakouts and compoents and pay for them.
2016-12-16T01:17:18 < karlp> I thought we'd been over this
2016-12-16T01:18:01 <@englishman> ddr3 is specifically tuned to work with 0.1" headers and long jumper wires between boards
2016-12-16T01:18:21 < Rob235> hah
2016-12-16T01:19:39 < Rob235> it wasn't for that
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2016-12-16T01:58:05 < upgrdman> Rob235, make your own and oshpark it?
2016-12-16T01:58:11 < upgrdman> how much is that board
2016-12-16T01:58:24 < Rob235> I was actually just playing around in altium
2016-12-16T01:58:51 < upgrdman> if the ball pitch isn't too small, dirtypcbs has cheap 4L service
2016-12-16T01:59:09 < upgrdman> but that could be difficult unless like 1mm pitch
2016-12-16T02:01:52 <@englishman> it sez 1mm right on it
2016-12-16T02:03:14 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY-l3ejXVZE
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2016-12-16T02:17:37 <@englishman> who is this guy Laurenceb_ is he clive1 or another pro stm32 user
2016-12-16T02:20:10 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-12-16T02:20:52 < Laurenceb_>  97% of people posting are autists. Let's face it.
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2016-12-16T03:05:58 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/susanbgoldberg/status/809484938517053440
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2016-12-16T03:42:59 < woddy> hey
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2016-12-16T03:45:06 < woddy> hello
2016-12-16T03:45:30 < woddy> Want an open source ARMv6-M simulator, anyone knows something?
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2016-12-16T03:55:53 < dekar> woddy, does it have to be exactly ARMv6-M, or is anything with thumb support fine? I think QEMU can do that.
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2016-12-16T04:02:13 < woddy> dekar, I'm trying qemu
2016-12-16T04:02:18 < woddy> but I really just want to kill the developers of qemu
2016-12-16T04:02:31 < woddy> I install it, and then qemu-system-arm is supposedly not existing
2016-12-16T04:02:32 < woddy> and such shit
2016-12-16T04:02:38 < woddy> qemu is bullshit
2016-12-16T04:03:51 < woddy> far too complicated
2016-12-16T04:03:54 < woddy> for wanting something as simple
2016-12-16T04:04:00 < woddy> as executing emulated ARM assembly
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2016-12-16T04:07:33 < dekar> woddy, I've used Insight before, but I think it's outdated and hasn't been updated in years.
2016-12-16T04:07:50 < woddy> dekar, being up to date is of no concern here
2016-12-16T04:08:05 < woddy> I'm now setting up qemu properly
2016-12-16T04:08:15 < woddy> but even if it works, I still want to see the developers heads on wooden sticks
2016-12-16T04:08:21 < dekar> You may have a look
2016-12-16T04:08:45 < woddy> link?
2016-12-16T04:08:47 < woddy> when I google it
2016-12-16T04:08:49 < woddy> only weird stuff comes
2016-12-16T04:24:56 < ohsix> yo
2016-12-16T04:25:38 < ohsix> woddy: there's a build of qemu with stm32 platform stuff, regular one probably won't do a lot of what you want
2016-12-16T04:25:46 < ohsix> eg. you won't have the code in the right place
2016-12-16T04:26:15 < ohsix> i've used that stm32 one to jump into code with ida and stuff
2016-12-16T04:26:24 < ohsix> not to run it as a sim tho
2016-12-16T04:26:52 < woddy> ohama, yeah.. meh... I have real dev board here
2016-12-16T04:27:08 < woddy> if I want to try something out "for real" I can do that too...
2016-12-16T04:27:18 < ohsix> i've done that as well, with openocd + ida
2016-12-16T04:27:20 < woddy> this is more for general ARM assembly practice in fast..
2016-12-16T04:27:42 < woddy> btw. do you people here mostly use STM32 platform stuff for professional use?
2016-12-16T04:27:44 < woddy> or hobby?
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2016-12-16T04:28:54 < zyp> both
2016-12-16T04:31:49 < dekar> woddy, https://sourceware.org/insight/
2016-12-16T04:31:50 < Flea86> woddy: Amusement :)
2016-12-16T04:32:36 < dekar> I'm actually not 100% sure if Insight does thumb, though. I used it for 32bit/ARM7TDMI.
2016-12-16T04:33:28 < woddy> I already said
2016-12-16T04:33:33 < woddy> ARMv6-M
2016-12-16T04:33:37 < woddy> not ARM7TDMI
2016-12-16T04:33:40 < woddy> ...
2016-12-16T04:33:45 < ohsix> hm trying to figure out why fpga companies are such turds about bitstreams, thinking that it is for 'security', if people were to modify the bitstream in the flash they could change the functionality, and you can do that if you have the information to generate it
2016-12-16T04:33:46 < woddy> ARM7TDMI is older stuff
2016-12-16T04:33:47 < woddy> no?
2016-12-16T04:34:10 <@englishman> woddy, only pros in this chan
2016-12-16T04:34:18 < ohsix> couldn't you just have some fuses for a key you can't read out, so only the vendor signed stuff can work
2016-12-16T04:34:46 < ohsix> oh, or internal flash
2016-12-16T04:35:50 < woddy> englishman, lulz
2016-12-16T04:36:13 < dekar> woddy, well, what besides the thumb instruction set do you care about?
2016-12-16T04:36:30 < woddy> your question isn't helping me
2016-12-16T04:36:31 < woddy> sorry
2016-12-16T04:36:35 < woddy> I have to get on now
2016-12-16T04:36:46 < ohsix> their business is probably piled on top of the idea that ip can be 'protected' in an fpga, and companies believe it, but it isn't actually true and the footing of those companies can't react to that assumed thing changing
2016-12-16T04:39:31 <@englishman> http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=08.%20uM0
2016-12-16T04:39:35 <@englishman> problem solved
2016-12-16T04:40:11 < ohsix> OLD
2016-12-16T04:40:16 < ohsix> but yea that's dumb cute
2016-12-16T04:40:20 < ohsix> did you see the avr core in tex
2016-12-16T04:40:45 < ohsix> https://blog.adafruit.com/2014/10/13/an-avr-emulator-written-in-pure-latex-turing-completeness/
2016-12-16T04:40:59 < ohsix> run your stm32 emulator in the avr simulator in latex
2016-12-16T04:41:17 < woddy> englishman, lol
2016-12-16T04:41:24 < woddy> now all I need is an ATTiny85 emulator
2016-12-16T04:41:26 < woddy> ;>
2016-12-16T04:41:26 <@englishman> I didn't know attiny had no hw multiply
2016-12-16T04:41:27 < ohsix> y u got that silly hat on englishman 
2016-12-16T04:41:31 <@englishman> what trash
2016-12-16T04:41:44 < woddy> so I can emulate M0 atop ATTiny85
2016-12-16T04:41:49 < woddy> atop x86
2016-12-16T04:41:50 < woddy> lol
2016-12-16T04:41:53 < aandrew> wtf man
2016-12-16T04:41:54 < aandrew> haha
2016-12-16T04:42:17 <@englishman> or emu in FPGA core in x86
2016-12-16T04:42:22 <@englishman> in vm
2016-12-16T04:42:22 < woddy> lol
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2016-12-16T04:44:55 < ohsix> if the fpgas actually did encryption junk then there wouldn't be a huge risk for third parties being able to use them as they want (since haxoring is taken care of from a business-footing perspective)
2016-12-16T04:45:46 < ohsix> loooooool haha, reading a paper where the dude uses a .bat file to set the date/time in a loop in order to 'freeze' the clock
2016-12-16T04:46:03 < ohsix> and ping -n 2 localhost for a delay
2016-12-16T04:46:13 < ohsix> https://www.emsec.rub.de/media/attachments/files/2014/11/MA_Swierczynski.pdf
2016-12-16T04:47:11 < ohsix> there's a 64 bit key, half of which is the clock
2016-12-16T04:47:16 < ohsix> which is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
2016-12-16T04:49:11 < aandrew> r2 sounds cracked
2016-12-16T04:52:28 < ohsix> a statue?
2016-12-16T04:52:48 < ohsix> i thought marble was more than that
2016-12-16T04:57:39 < ohsix> there's a buttblaster on this fpga board, can i use that to read out the flash before i dick with it?
2016-12-16T04:57:51 < ohsix> i don't know if i can get the mp3 player demo fw anywhere
2016-12-16T05:10:50 < woddy> ok you dicks
2016-12-16T05:10:54 < woddy> why did nobody tell me this exists:
2016-12-16T05:10:55 < woddy> The GNU ARM Eclipse QEMU subproject is a fork of QEMU (an open source machine emulator), intended to provide support for Cortex-M emulation in GNU ARM Eclipse. Binaries for Windows, GNU/Linux and macOS are available.
2016-12-16T05:11:09 < woddy> http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/
2016-12-16T05:11:29 < ohsix> https://atom.io/packages/activate-power-mode this does this -> https://twitter.com/McFunkypants/status/809590960480890880
2016-12-16T05:11:49 < ohsix> i did tell you that woddy
2016-12-16T05:11:57 < ohsix> just didn't mention the name
2016-12-16T05:12:30 < woddy> ohama, very funny
2016-12-16T05:12:33 < woddy> you just said QEMU
2016-12-16T05:12:39 < woddy> which I had installed standalone
2016-12-16T05:12:41 < woddy> and obviously is a mess
2016-12-16T05:12:50 < woddy> * ohama 
2016-12-16T05:12:53 < woddy> * ohsix 
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2016-12-16T05:52:55 < ohsix> soo
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2016-12-16T06:34:02 < upgrdman> long time ago i saw some soldering iron tips meant for desoldering DIPs. looked like a huge 40mm thick "n" shape... wtf are those called?
2016-12-16T06:34:11 < aandrew> do any of the STM32 USARTs support RS485 driver enable?
2016-12-16T06:34:30 < aandrew> i.e. drives the pin whenever the transmitter shift register is not empty
2016-12-16T06:37:16 < ReadErr> http://i.imgur.com/6fzfOyp.gifv
2016-12-16T06:38:38 < aandrew> hm, it looks like it ends up being done in softwware, pretty standard
2016-12-16T06:53:00 < upgrdman> ReadErr, damn that guy is fat as fuck
2016-12-16T06:55:55 < ohsix> sup
2016-12-16T06:55:58 < ohsix> fat guys, where
2016-12-16T06:58:00 < ohsix> is that an isis video
2016-12-16T06:58:07 < ohsix> how do you get a fat guy to burn himself
2016-12-16T07:03:52 < upgrdman> give him a fresh pizza?
2016-12-16T07:04:01 < upgrdman> and no drink
2016-12-16T07:06:42 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Rubberbandits/status/809510647046242307
2016-12-16T07:06:59 < woddy> ohsix, thatsdiscriminating
2016-12-16T07:07:02 < woddy> there aren'T only fat nerds
2016-12-16T07:07:05 < woddy> there are also skinny nerds
2016-12-16T07:09:50 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzwS1PdVEAElAEa.jpg
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2016-12-16T07:19:02 < ohsix> https://github.com/HexHive/printbf
2016-12-16T07:21:58 < upgrdman> the jap girl voice in this video... the way she talks sounds common in jap commericals ive seen. is it just me, or do jap girl announcements sound like theyre out of breath or something?  http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/gatebox-azuma-hikari-virtual-assistant-news/
2016-12-16T07:22:39 < upgrdman> or are they like significantly exhaling while talking?
2016-12-16T07:25:10 < Rob235> alright so after a lot of research I'm between DE0-Nano-SoC with Cyclone V and arty fpga with xilinx artix-7 both $90-100
2016-12-16T07:25:10 < Rob235> i'm leaning toward the first because of specs and stuff but I had always planned on xilinx until now
2016-12-16T07:30:40 < upgrdman> play with the software first
2016-12-16T07:31:03 < upgrdman> EDA software is always shit, so pick a brand with the more appetizing pile of shit
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2016-12-16T07:31:49 < Rob235> I heard xilinx's new software is a decent improvement over their old crap ise, no idea about altera stuff
2016-12-16T07:31:51 < upgrdman> iirc quartus and vivado webpack are both free downloads unless you need support for the high end chips
2016-12-16T07:32:44 < Rob235> my brain has been through a lot the past couple days, done for the night, later guys
2016-12-16T07:33:43 < upgrdman> enjoy your wall full of ecig juice
2016-12-16T07:38:24 < ohsix> https://i.redditmedia.com/P_-d7vokBCqyg081pVkqpIH1XSElo_C0uOh9g1ebM1c.jpg
2016-12-16T07:38:36 < ohsix> at some point this is a valid stylistic choice
2016-12-16T07:39:12 < ohsix> Rob235: you can download free versions
2016-12-16T07:39:18 < ohsix> they come with some sort of simulator too
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2016-12-16T08:11:19 < ohsix> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZjnBND2U/irccloudcapture-236812244.jpg
2016-12-16T08:11:22 < ohsix> other side
2016-12-16T08:11:29 < ohsix> s/side/board
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2016-12-16T08:33:36 < boB_K7IQ> they forgot to solder a resistor...
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2016-12-16T09:10:31 < Kliment> ohsix: did you see it post-assembly?
2016-12-16T09:13:09 < Kliment> ohsix: https://imgur.com/a/s2zcN
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2016-12-16T09:16:45 < Tectu> dongs, ping
2016-12-16T09:18:12 < dongs> hi
2016-12-16T09:18:47 < dongs> aandrew: F0 has some RS485 mode
2016-12-16T09:18:56 < dongs> not F4/F1 iirc
2016-12-16T09:18:58 < Tectu> dongs, in diptrace, there are the symbols for +5V, +12V and all that stuff. Is it possible to somehow use them but for a different net (eg. when I have two isolated power supplies)
2016-12-16T09:19:07 < Tectu> dongs, basically I'd need two different +5V nets
2016-12-16T09:19:14 < dongs> you can just name the net wahtever you want
2016-12-16T09:19:33 < Thorn> but you need to rename the net not the component
2016-12-16T09:19:35 < dongs> i just made my own bar/triangle symbols and copypasted those and named the power net as whatever
2016-12-16T09:19:56 < dongs> i never used wahtever diptrace provided
2016-12-16T09:20:06 < dongs> my component was just called "power" adn 'gnd'
2016-12-16T09:20:21 < dongs> it doesnt matter waht its c alled cuz its just a a placeholder for net naming
2016-12-16T09:20:23 < Tectu> okay, thanks
2016-12-16T09:20:48 < Tectu> not sure how to change the net of one of the built in GND symbols though
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2016-12-16T09:25:23 < dongs> uhh
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2016-12-16T09:37:28 < Tectu> dongs, can't I keep using the built-in symbols?
2016-12-16T09:38:09 < Tectu> dongs, and just change the net or something
2016-12-16T09:38:38 < Thorn> Tectu: first connect the symbol, then right click on the wire and rename it
2016-12-16T09:38:44 < Thorn> I just tried it and it worked
2016-12-16T09:39:18 < dongs> yeah, i have no idea what "built in symbol" is, but you just rename net and dont care
2016-12-16T09:39:24 < Tectu> Thorn, so it's not the symbol that "links" ?
2016-12-16T09:39:32 < dongs> do they have  symbol that says "12V" o something on it?
2016-12-16T09:39:36 < dongs> no,its the net
2016-12-16T09:39:53 < Thorn> they have lots of symbols for gnd btw: digital, analog etc. 8 or so total
2016-12-16T09:39:59 < dongs> eah all same shit
2016-12-16T09:40:40 < Thorn> actually they have +24V +15V +2V5 +2V8 etc. in their standard libs. no idea why
2016-12-16T09:41:12 < Tectu> so I used the GND symbol, changed the net name on the wire to GND_2  and now all the other GND's on my schematic have become GND_2 too
2016-12-16T09:41:18 < Tectu> I want to have a GND_1 and GND_2 net. 
2016-12-16T09:41:19 < Thorn> they don't carry net information in they anyway afaict
2016-12-16T09:41:36 < Thorn> try "rename related wires only"
2016-12-16T09:42:21 < Tectu> then I have to do it on every single line
2016-12-16T09:42:26 < Tectu> but I guess that's semi-okay-ish
2016-12-16T09:42:33 < Tectu> I thought that the symbol would have a net parameter
2016-12-16T09:42:39 < Tectu> which would make sense in my opinion
2016-12-16T09:43:15 < Thorn> or maybe try changing the Name parameter of the symbol to match the new net
2016-12-16T09:43:31 < Thorn> there has to be a way because I've done it but I can't remember how
2016-12-16T09:44:21 < Tectu> Thorn, ah, that actually works, yes
2016-12-16T09:44:39 < Tectu> Thorn, then I have no idea why the fuck they'd have multiple built-in ones instead of just one PWR and one GND
2016-12-16T09:45:03 < Thorn> I like 0 ohm series resistors after power supplies so I have +3V3_before and +3V3
2016-12-16T09:45:20 < Thorn> well the GNDs look different, zero idea about power though
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2016-12-16T09:46:52 < dongs> it doesnt matter waht they look like
2016-12-16T09:46:58 < dongs> GND?power symbols dont even have a footprint
2016-12-16T09:47:09 < dongs> they are just stuff on schematic and do nothing othern than connect nets
2016-12-16T09:47:16 < dongs> you can draw a dong and call it GND, and it will work
2016-12-16T09:48:48 < Tectu> thanks for the help guys
2016-12-16T09:49:43 < Kliment> Thorn: For power sonsumption measurement?
2016-12-16T09:49:47 < Kliment> consumption*
2016-12-16T09:51:46 < Tectu> morning Mr. Kliment 
2016-12-16T09:52:21 < Thorn> smoke reduction lol. to be able to test a dc/dc converter and/or power its load from lab psu independently
2016-12-16T09:53:20 < Thorn> current measurement too
2016-12-16T09:53:22 < Kliment> Ah heh, yeah, good idea
2016-12-16T09:56:58 < upgrdman> lol japs   https://streamable.com/c8vt
2016-12-16T09:58:07 < ohsix> Kliment: have now, nice
2016-12-16T09:59:38 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/65dGo
2016-12-16T10:00:36 < Kliment> ohsix: I dislike soldering high current boards, it's always so annoying
2016-12-16T10:00:57 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/f0b7d3133cf1469ca6ee6cc81542bb4d?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=4a3c2a7f367f5185021477e7ed773957
2016-12-16T10:01:13 < Kliment> ohsix: Preheat plus hotair for zone effect plus high power iron is what I use in the worst cases
2016-12-16T10:01:52 < ohsix> i had to get some shields off that cro i fixed, took a bit to figure out ;]
2016-12-16T10:02:32 < Kliment> Also, my super-cheap portable hotair is quieter than my fancy one
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2016-12-16T10:11:49 < upgrdman> 'murica   http://i.imgur.com/xBSkqMK.gifv
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2016-12-16T10:20:25 < dongs> how hard would it be to get a crystal with tolerances WORSE than HSI?
2016-12-16T10:20:39 < ohsix> hard
2016-12-16T10:20:59 < ohsix> even as rejects maybe, lul
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2016-12-16T10:24:13 < Thorn> hit one with a hammer until it cracks
2016-12-16T10:24:29 < Kliment> dongs: Over what temp range?
2016-12-16T10:24:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Fix-arduino-code-12524653/
2016-12-16T10:24:42 < dongs> Kliment: room temp
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2016-12-16T10:26:27 < Kliment> dongs: Yeah no
2016-12-16T10:27:43 < dongs> where the fuck is emeb http://i.imgur.com/puMKNJ1.jpg
2016-12-16T10:29:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/qYBvJvC.jpg
2016-12-16T10:29:38 < Kliment> That's some pretty traces
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2016-12-16T10:30:30 < Kliment> What is it?
2016-12-16T10:31:00 < dongs> Kliment: sampler/tracker i gues
2016-12-16T10:31:39 < Kliment> Are those 2 ADCs on the left?
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2016-12-16T10:32:04 < dongs> i think so
2016-12-16T10:32:05 < dongs> or a dac/adc
2016-12-16T10:32:50 < dongs> opamps
2016-12-16T10:32:57 < dongs> quad opamp
2016-12-16T10:33:02 < dongs> for MAX AUDIOPHILE
2016-12-16T10:33:24 < Kliment> Ah, and those feed a differential signal to the ADC in the middle then
2016-12-16T10:33:59 < Thorn> if the center IC is an i2s codec then the 2 SO14 are opamps
2016-12-16T10:34:06 < Kliment> Gotta say it's really well executed
2016-12-16T10:40:24 < Kliment> Proposed solution to renewable storage: "use the extra energy to increase the spin of the earth, then harvest the spin to pull off energy"
2016-12-16T10:40:37 < dongs> good idea
2016-12-16T10:42:07 < Kliment> (spoiler: it's a flywheel)
2016-12-16T10:44:23 < Tectu> kickstarter.
2016-12-16T10:44:57 < Thorn> isn't change in earth rotation linked to earthquakes
2016-12-16T10:45:05 < Thorn> think of dongs
2016-12-16T10:45:38 < Thorn> he may not survive another tsunami
2016-12-16T10:46:50 < ohsix> if you could harvest the spin, the earth is going pretty fast already
2016-12-16T10:46:59 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/HlKK2
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2016-12-16T10:54:23 < dongs> fucking altidumb
2016-12-16T10:54:27 < dongs> 'tab' select defintely broken
2016-12-16T10:54:30 < dongs> doesnt work on keepout layer
2016-12-16T10:55:17 < Thorn> https://betterembsw.blogspot.ru/2016/12/better-reboot-your-boeing-787-every.html
2016-12-16T10:56:18 < ohsix> ReadErr: s2 of the man in the high castle
2016-12-16T10:57:44 < jpa-> i avoid 32 bit system timers for that purpose.. either use 64 bit so it never overflows, or 16 or 24 bits so that it overflows often enough to be testable
2016-12-16T10:58:22 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-16T10:58:49 < ohsix> see you in 108 years when even larger word sizes are wrapping
2016-12-16T10:59:50 < ohsix> that kind of junk is insidious, you don't necessarily know if some code you include doesn't handle wrapping properly without auditing it
2016-12-16T11:00:18 < dongs> i hooked up a 32bit timer for audio PWM output on this board im making
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2016-12-16T11:01:25 < jpa-> ohsix: nah, 64 bits is way longer than that; in my current work project, it is 64 bit signed microsecond counter, so will overflow in 292270 years
2016-12-16T11:03:06 < dongs> lol
2016-12-16T11:03:16 < ohsix> in picoseconds it is only 215 days
2016-12-16T11:03:36 < dongs> chances of ohsix losing interest in autism32 in less than 32bits of microseconds are pretty high
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2016-12-16T11:05:28 < jpa-> ohsix: fortunately my system doesn't run at 1000 GHz
2016-12-16T11:05:33 < ohsix> 14 gigayears in picoseconds if it was 128 bytes
2016-12-16T11:07:01 < ohsix> 14 billion years of picosecond resolution should be enough for everyone
2016-12-16T11:07:01 < Thorn> why is systick 24 bits
2016-12-16T11:07:25 < Kliment> historical reasons
2016-12-16T11:07:40 < ohsix> which are?
2016-12-16T11:08:04 < Kliment> It's what it was when it was introduced
2016-12-16T11:08:15 < ohsix> heh heh
2016-12-16T11:08:53 < Thorn> fuck ST, links to forum threads stopped working again
2016-12-16T11:09:07 < ohsix> my guess would be that it was the smallest reasonable size & power use was in mind
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2016-12-16T11:09:21 < Thorn> it can probably be fixed with 25 lines of php if thread IDs did not change
2016-12-16T11:09:24 < Kliment> Engineering Research Associates (later merged into UNIVAC) designed a series of 24-bit drum memory machines including the Atlas, its commercial version the UNIVAC 1101, the ATHENA computer, the UNIVAC 1824 guidance computer, etc. Those designers selected a 24-bit word length because the Earth is roughly 40 million feet in diameter, and an intercontinental ballistic missile guidance computer needs to do 
2016-12-16T11:09:30 < Kliment> the Earth-centered inertial navigation calculations to an accuracy of a few feet.
2016-12-16T11:10:02 < Kliment> Three bytes is good enough to blow up anyone in the world, it better be good enough for you
2016-12-16T11:11:15 < Thorn> if they're so accurate why do they need nuclear warheads
2016-12-16T11:11:21 < ohsix> there's space in the address map for it to be 24
2016-12-16T11:11:25 < Kliment> http://vipclubmn.org/images/Scanned%2520009z.jpg
2016-12-16T11:11:41 < ohsix> i bet they use that extra byte but it is defined as 24
2016-12-16T11:12:02 < Kliment> ohsix: Yep, changing its size would have shifted things around
2016-12-16T11:12:15 < ohsix> eg it can roll over into those 8 bits and they can use that to detect rollover or something
2016-12-16T11:12:47 < ohsix> also the 8 would be systick/2^24
2016-12-16T11:13:49 < Kliment> Anyway, there are enough larger timers available
2016-12-16T11:13:54 < Ecco> Hey
2016-12-16T11:14:01 < Kliment> Why worry about systick
2016-12-16T11:14:17 < ohsix> wondering is good
2016-12-16T11:14:38 < ohsix> you might be in a position to set the word sizes of things
2016-12-16T11:14:43 < Ecco> Have you guys ever tried pcbway.com?
2016-12-16T11:14:44 < jpa-> ohsix, Kliment: what are you talking about? the systick register is 32 bits, only bottom 24 bits are used and top 8 are marked as reserved; it shouldn't shift anything if they made it full 24 bits
2016-12-16T11:15:07 < jpa-> *full 32
2016-12-16T11:15:43 < Kliment> jpa-: Oh shit, you're right
2016-12-16T11:15:51 < jpa-> Kliment: because systick is portable between different MCUs, so it would be great if it was long enough to support nice tickless kernels (though 24 bits is pretty good already)
2016-12-16T11:15:53 < Kliment> jpa-: I remembered there being something else there
2016-12-16T11:16:31 < ohsix> http://www.aimagin.com/learn/index.php?title=Basic_Concepts#What_is_RapidSTM32.3F heh
2016-12-16T11:17:15 < ohsix> jpa-: yea that's what i was saying
2016-12-16T11:17:24 < Kliment> jpa-: Should investigate whether it secretly uses the upper bits anyway
2016-12-16T11:20:57 < ohsix> https://github.com/AdaCore/svd2ada
2016-12-16T11:24:24 < karlp> Kliment: what is that 20oz board for?
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2016-12-16T11:28:14 < karlp> ohsix: ping is a classic well established old method of delay in windows bat files :)
2016-12-16T11:29:05 < Kliment> karlp: electric racing car
2016-12-16T11:29:27 < Kliment> karlp: the person who built it answered a bunch of questions on reddit about it
2016-12-16T11:30:11 < Kliment> karlp: I've never soldered anything beyond 4oz, and that was already a massive pain, so I understand his feelings about it
2016-12-16T11:37:30 < karlp> is 20oz common or are there alternatives normally used and this person was massively overengineering?
2016-12-16T11:38:03 < karlp> Ecco: someone here said theyð'd tried pcbway, said it was very similar to other modern china places.
2016-12-16T11:40:17 < Tectu> being at university, 5th year, embedded electronics specialization. Group project. Project involves controlling digital in an outputs. First project meeting to figure out what is really required results in 1 output, 3 inputs. Now we added some more because there was room on the PCB and free pins. Guy goes crazy as fuck, real legit rage mode. He wrote his software in a way that 1 output 3 inputs are hardcoded. Note: It's 
2016-12-16T11:40:17 < Tectu> fucking high-level scrip language shit on an Raspberry-Pi.
2016-12-16T11:42:31 < Ecco> I remember being *so* happy when I eventually graduated
2016-12-16T11:46:08 < BrainDamage> >embedded electronics >scripting on a hypedberry pi
2016-12-16T11:47:15 < BrainDamage> daily shitpost link, CV entry from a random dude: https://github.com/veselinvelev/Immigrants/commit/cb4fbe55fa6d4c3b793257d2a2db3416a8fa885f
2016-12-16T11:48:07 < Kliment> karlp: 20oz is not common, that person needed it because of space and current requirements
2016-12-16T11:48:36 < Kliment> karlp: It has 150A traces
2016-12-16T11:50:32 < Kliment> karlp: you'll never see this kind of thing outside of specialized industries
2016-12-16T11:51:01 < Kliment> karlp: There's a handful of board houses worldwide that do this kind of thing, it's def not standard
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2016-12-16T12:03:45 < karlp> Kliment: yeah, was just curious if it was "the way" even in that person's field, or if this was some alternative
2016-12-16T12:05:36 < karlp> hrm, istr somoene talking about using heavy solder for similar reasons, ie, no solder mask, heavy wave soldering to fatten up all traces
2016-12-16T12:08:59 < Kliment> karlp: Yeah, that works but is much less reliable
2016-12-16T12:09:20 < Kliment> karlp: So you need to overbuild by a huge factor if you rely on solder
2016-12-16T12:10:03 < Kliment> karlp: In this industry, a $2000 PCB is not an issue, if it does what it should
2016-12-16T12:11:10 < jpa-> 150A should be possible even just with multilayer board
2016-12-16T12:11:27 < jpa-> the traces there seem much narrower than what would have fit
2016-12-16T12:12:16 < karlp> Kliment: yeah, was just curious, certainly not telling them how to do things :)
2016-12-16T12:12:40 < Kliment> jpa-: Which image are you looking at?
2016-12-16T12:13:06 < Kliment> jpa-: One side has thin high voltage traces, the other side has thick 14V 150A traces
2016-12-16T12:14:22 < Kliment> jpa-: The thin traces are spaced very far apart because they're carrying a 900V potential difference
2016-12-16T12:16:13 < karlp> what were those clip things between the boards? holders for heavy gauge wire I guess?
2016-12-16T12:16:45 < Kliment> The clips are fuse holders
2016-12-16T12:18:32 < Kliment> Or do you mean the cylinders that go from one board to the other?
2016-12-16T12:18:59 < karlp> no, that was described as just being signal/power connectors, 
2016-12-16T12:19:01 < karlp> yeah, teh fuse holders
2016-12-16T12:20:58 < Kliment> The high current connections are attached with contact washers and M4 screws
2016-12-16T12:22:12 < Kliment> That then gets soldered over
2016-12-16T12:23:13 < karlp> I didn't get the bit about problems waiting for it to cool, not heat up,
2016-12-16T12:23:22 < karlp> is that just because they had preheated it all to 100C I guess
2016-12-16T12:23:57 < Kliment> For the small parts, the thermal capacitance of the trace is so high that by the time you get the solder to flow it's stored enough heat to keep it liquid for a long time
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2016-12-16T12:24:24 < Kliment> This means you can't tack down one pin and then do the others immediately, you have to wait for the first to cool
2016-12-16T12:25:19 < jpa-> i'd glue all the components before hand with some high-temperature glue
2016-12-16T12:28:06 < Kliment> If you think about it first, you would :)
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2016-12-16T13:02:04 < ohsix> south main auto repair's youtube channel is p. kewl
2016-12-16T13:02:30 < ohsix> i want a car with an obd port :<
2016-12-16T13:04:18 < ohsix> BrainDamage: big AT computers were called embedded or not depending on how they were used lul
2016-12-16T13:04:42 < ohsix> it was just kind of expensive to dedicate one to something for most of the time we've had computers
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2016-12-16T13:06:09 < ohsix> your smartphone has more power than blah blah etc
2016-12-16T13:14:33 < Kliment> Worse, the storage controller in the microsd card in your smartphone has more power than a 1985 top of the line computer
2016-12-16T13:17:59 < jpa-> why is that worse?
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2016-12-16T13:20:56 < Laurenceb_> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Team-Pisces-Emissary-Adventures-Salvation/dp/1492283150
2016-12-16T13:22:23 < dongs> how do those fullsize SD cards sockets mount
2016-12-16T13:22:27 < dongs> do they just go flush with pcb edge?
2016-12-16T13:22:32 < Spirit532> yes
2016-12-16T13:22:44 < Spirit532> flush or further in
2016-12-16T13:22:47 < Spirit532> but not outstanding
2016-12-16T13:22:47 < Kliment> dongs: It's specified in the datasheet
2016-12-16T13:23:13 < Kliment> dongs: It shows the card position when pushed, when held and when ejected (for push-push sockets)
2016-12-16T13:23:28 < Kliment> dongs: Most even have recommended PCB edge position
2016-12-16T13:23:32 < dongs> i wish ti was
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2016-12-16T13:23:45 < Kliment> dongs: link to datasheet?
2016-12-16T13:24:15 < dongs> ampphenol site is slow as ballz
2016-12-16T13:24:20 < dongs> https://www.amphenolcanada.com/StockAvailabilityPrice.aspx?Div=&Application=&username=&PartNum=101003136802
2016-12-16T13:25:25 < Kliment> dongs: There we go, center left
2016-12-16T13:25:52 < dongs> center left?
2016-12-16T13:25:54 < dongs> what about it?
2016-12-16T13:25:59 < dongs> the side view?
2016-12-16T13:26:03 < Kliment> dongs: push stroke should be flush with enclosure
2016-12-16T13:26:11 < Kliment> "view of inserted card"
2016-12-16T13:26:37 < dongs> hm so it needs to be MORE into the enclosure
2016-12-16T13:26:45 < dongs> er more into the pcb
2016-12-16T13:26:49 < Kliment> dongs: Unless your enclosure has a gap around the card, in which case set position should be flush with enclosure
2016-12-16T13:27:04 < dongs> enclosure will have a sd-card sized hole
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2016-12-16T13:28:09 < Kliment> dongs: ok, typically the enclosure either has a hole shaped like the card profile or an additional finger-sized circle in the middle of said hole
2016-12-16T13:28:15 < karlp> ok, modbus bootloader cna now _dump_ firmware.
2016-12-16T13:28:58 < Kliment> dongs: With the ones with the extra circle, the card will usually sit flush or inside the bounds of the enclosure
2016-12-16T13:29:26 < Kliment> dongs: The ones without, it will be 1.15mm outside or flush, but if flush will be quite difficult to remove
2016-12-16T13:29:29 < dongs> ah, the circle is os you can push it further in than the enclosure allows
2016-12-16T13:29:36 < dongs> and that'll make it hide inside when inserted/pushed
2016-12-16T13:29:39 < Kliment> Correct
2016-12-16T13:29:43 < dongs> k, seen that before
2016-12-16T13:29:52 < Kliment> So decide which is right for your product
2016-12-16T13:30:03 < Kliment> And inset it accordingly
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2016-12-16T13:37:03 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2112029497/birdemic-3-sea-eagle
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2016-12-16T13:42:04 < ohsix> hohoho https://github.com/doncreat0r/eeciv/blob/master/Diag324.c
2016-12-16T13:42:10 < ohsix> looks like there is some junk
2016-12-16T13:43:14 < ohsix> seems like it can even write the eeprom
2016-12-16T13:43:43 < Laurenceb_> avr...
2016-12-16T13:44:30 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1531277889/101-things-not-to-stick-up-your-butt-the-butt-stuf?ref=project_share
2016-12-16T13:49:44 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1149400304/underscares-the-diaper-from-the-creators-of-outlas
2016-12-16T13:58:37 < kakimir> kickstarter evolution
2016-12-16T14:02:41 < dongs> higher mhz = higher pin drive right?
2016-12-16T14:05:35 < jpa-> in general yes
2016-12-16T14:06:23 < dongs> hm this is fucked up
2016-12-16T14:08:42 < dongs> how should 0x7F look like on uart scope
2016-12-16T14:09:08 < dongs> start bit, space, MSB, then spaec until all done right
2016-12-16T14:09:54 < Kliment> no
2016-12-16T14:09:55 < dongs> hm this is fucking weird
2016-12-16T14:10:02 < Kliment> manchester encoding
2016-12-16T14:10:09 < dongs> uart isnt macnchester
2016-12-16T14:10:14 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/qRsn0AC.png
2016-12-16T14:10:17 < dongs> im only getting shit this much
2016-12-16T14:11:38 < PaulFertser> dongs: with even parity?
2016-12-16T14:11:45 < dongs> yeah 8e1
2016-12-16T14:11:52 < dongs> this is the 0x7F going to bootloader
2016-12-16T14:12:02 < dongs> the problem is that it never actually goes to zero, either
2016-12-16T14:12:05 < dongs> whgich is weird as fuck
2016-12-16T14:14:02 < Kliment> dongs: How are you probing it?
2016-12-16T14:14:36 < dongs> same way im probing it when it works
2016-12-16T14:14:38 < dongs> and it goes all wthe way down
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2016-12-16T14:15:34 < dongs> blob:http://imgur.com/0b97443c-2110-415e-80a7-611d25bfe4c3
2016-12-16T14:15:35 < dongs> er.
2016-12-16T14:15:36 < dongs> nigger.
2016-12-16T14:15:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/oybxFXc.png
2016-12-16T14:15:59 < dongs> if it goes low enough for the bootloader to notice that start sequence, it works.
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2016-12-16T14:18:26 < Kliment> dongs: What is the difference between the two then? clock speed?
2016-12-16T14:18:45 < dongs> nope
2016-12-16T14:18:49 < dongs> just pressing the start button again
2016-12-16T14:18:59 < kakimir> what are you kickstarting dongs?
2016-12-16T14:19:07 < dongs> lots of dongs
2016-12-16T14:21:00 < Kliment> dongs: i've seen that kind of thing before with an FTDI part that was not driving the UART lines strongly enough
2016-12-16T14:21:13 < Kliment> dongs: Adding 100R series resistors fixed it
2016-12-16T14:21:24 < Kliment> dongs: But I don't see why this would be the case here
2016-12-16T14:25:25 < karlp> sure looks like something else is holding the lines
2016-12-16T14:25:49 < Kliment> karlp: The bootloader wouldn't, so it has to be the transmitting side
2016-12-16T14:29:52 < dongs> fucking fuck
2016-12-16T14:38:03 < Tectu> dongs, language, for fuck sake
2016-12-16T14:39:03 < kakimir> is there like a bookmarks for a code?
2016-12-16T14:39:14 < kakimir> if I want to address a line in function in my comments
2016-12-16T14:39:15 < Kliment> breakpoints :P
2016-12-16T14:39:26 < kakimir> and function can be like anywhere
2016-12-16T14:39:29 < kakimir> any line
2016-12-16T14:39:36 < kakimir> and change it's composition
2016-12-16T14:40:12 < kakimir>  //It's somewhere down there keep reading
2016-12-16T14:40:45 < Kliment> kakimir: Is this for documentation generation of for reading the actual code
2016-12-16T14:41:02 < karlp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO0zpSFfPSo&feature=youtu.be
2016-12-16T14:41:42 < kakimir> understanding the function
2016-12-16T14:41:55 < kakimir> it's like half k lines
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2016-12-16T15:09:58 < aandrew> word
2016-12-16T15:15:36 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LE7tVoLcA
2016-12-16T15:16:10 < jadew> kakimir, there are bookmarks in VS
2016-12-16T15:16:26 < jadew> as for a bookmark that refers to a function, there's the function name :)
2016-12-16T15:16:37 < jadew> just use that in your comments
2016-12-16T15:20:15 < Laurenceb_> There's no comparison between Russian and English, really. Your language has basically shed all of its grammar, and is now best suited for going apeshit on the Internet. Even then, complex insults are so much more vividly toxic in Russian.
2016-12-16T15:20:25 < Laurenceb_> Russians confirmed
2016-12-16T15:21:57 < jadew> I don't know how insults are in russian, but they I agree, they're very weak in english
2016-12-16T15:23:11 < jadew> in romanian for example they paint an entire picture of how your mom is going to get it
2016-12-16T15:23:55 < kakimir> drink tea all the time, curse and insult all the time, have temper
2016-12-16T15:24:05 < kakimir> which nationality I am talkin about?
2016-12-16T15:24:54 < kakimir> there is my point that russians and brits are like related someway
2016-12-16T15:25:18 < jadew> I had tea this morning
2016-12-16T15:28:28 < jadew> kakimir, about your bookmarks & comments thing, I have an additional system
2016-12-16T15:28:35 < jadew> // @tag
2016-12-16T15:28:57 < jadew> // @tag some_unique_name_for_the_current_issue
2016-12-16T15:29:20 < jadew> and I then make note of that in the local notes for the project and use it all over the place where it applies
2016-12-16T15:30:06 < jadew> the idea was that I'd eventually make a tag plugin that does more with that info, but until then I can just search for the identifier in the entire project
2016-12-16T15:30:43 < jadew> for example if I have a half backed solution for something, or if it's a shitty work around for some issue and then the issue gets resolved, I just search for that tag
2016-12-16T15:32:41 < jadew> it's particularly useful for recurring themes, otherwise you'd just drop the explanation with the bit of code it applies to
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2016-12-16T15:44:34 < kakimir> okay @tagging
2016-12-16T15:44:45 < kakimir> it's enought that search finds it
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2016-12-16T16:00:17 < aandrew>  < jadew> in romanian for example they paint an entire picture of how your mom is going to get it
2016-12-16T16:00:20 < aandrew> too true
2016-12-16T16:00:22 < aandrew> haha
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2016-12-16T16:26:41 < kakimir> I don't understand
2016-12-16T16:28:53 < fest> https://developer.mbed.org/blog/entry/Why-JavaScript-on-microcontrollers-makes/
2016-12-16T16:33:38 < jadew> lol
2016-12-16T16:35:22 < kakimir> didn't read lol
2016-12-16T16:35:41 < kakimir> back to coding C>
2016-12-16T16:35:59 < jadew> I think this is a direct result of tarduino
2016-12-16T16:36:03 < fest> I could be biased, but my first thought was: that could only make sense for people actively using mbed
2016-12-16T16:36:39 < Kliment> mbed is rather a pain to use in general ime
2016-12-16T16:36:41 < jadew> things are gradually getting done in a worse way than before
2016-12-16T16:36:47 < kakimir> in future we might see hello world mcu application using over 1megabytes of ram
2016-12-16T16:37:31 < Kliment> but interpreted code on micros is not that bad of an idea - nodemcu, lua, and micropython seem to work nicely
2016-12-16T16:37:46 < Kliment> that said, js the language is pretty terrible
2016-12-16T16:38:22 < Thorn> being able to use small microcontrollers will be an easy competitive advantage for anyone who can learn C[++]
2016-12-16T16:38:58 < Kliment> I don't know, the price delta between small and big micros is rapidly shrinking
2016-12-16T16:39:37 < jadew> yeah, but that means you'll be able to do less with more
2016-12-16T16:39:45 < jadew> it's just stupid
2016-12-16T16:40:38 < Kliment> is it more or less stupid than cubemx?
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2016-12-16T16:41:11 < jadew> at least cubemx generates C, isn't it?
2016-12-16T16:42:03 < Kliment> It does, but I expect most of the js stuff will be glue between native libraries which will be C
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2016-12-16T16:44:14 < BrainDamage> even if it does, the completely wacky data types is a sufficient argument by itself to throw it in the trash
2016-12-16T16:47:37 < fest> why would you ever need anything besides string and number? /s
2016-12-16T16:48:39 < aandrew> kakimir: https://web.archive.org/web/20090625200438/http://mbishop.esoteriq.org/hellosize.html
2016-12-16T16:48:41 < fest> on the other hand, I could see an appeal for RTOS where you can have high priority tasks in C and other tasks running an interpreted language
2016-12-16T16:48:56 < aandrew> it looks like common lisp takes the cake at 25MB executable size
2016-12-16T16:51:18 < karlp> Kliment: js, the good bits, isn't so bad.  js has warts and shitty bits like most languages really.
2016-12-16T16:52:00 < karlp> but yeah, == vs === is just wat
2016-12-16T16:52:43 < karlp> lua of course has this trap for young players: if 0 then print("hoho lua you so funny") end
2016-12-16T16:53:23 < BrainDamage> meh there's worse things
2016-12-16T16:54:20 < Steffanx> But php does it too!
2016-12-16T16:54:25 < BrainDamage> functionCall() vs local functionC = functionCall; functionC(); the previous is about 1k times slower for repeated calls
2016-12-16T16:54:42 < BrainDamage> since it won't cache shit unless you do explicitly
2016-12-16T16:54:47 < karlp> is that still the case in lua 5.3?
2016-12-16T16:54:58 < BrainDamage> haven't tried with 5.3
2016-12-16T16:55:13 < karlp> it's one of those dumb things you have to trick it with in lua5.1 but luajit and 5.3 were meant to make most of that inannity go away.
2016-12-16T16:55:55 < karlp> in theory anyway, i'm stuck on 5.1 anyway for the forseeable future
2016-12-16T16:56:07 < BrainDamage> where i used lua required bit-consistent floating point math, could never get luajit to behave properly
2016-12-16T16:56:45 < BrainDamage> even with all floating point flags set, it'd do some magic and fuck up rounding somewhere
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2016-12-16T17:13:49 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37g2YDJCvGc wtf
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2016-12-16T17:26:42 < Tectu> any nrf52 pros around?
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2016-12-16T17:38:01 < zyp> I have the devboard, is that pro enough?
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2016-12-16T17:57:41 < Steffanx> I bought some nrf51s does that count?
2016-12-16T18:00:27 < kakimir> is there any device that would make usb printer usable with tablet?
2016-12-16T18:00:36 < kakimir> and specifically ipad
2016-12-16T18:04:56 < kakimir> it's not worth the trouble I guess
2016-12-16T18:07:30 < Kliment> kakimir: yes, raspi
2016-12-16T18:08:06 < Kliment> kakimir: run cups on it, it presents the printer via zeroconf and the ipad can print to it
2016-12-16T18:08:33 < Kliment> kakimir: I have a setup like that running (old laptop instead of raspi but same thing)
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2016-12-16T18:21:00 < kakimir> okay
2016-12-16T18:21:36 < kakimir> how about when there was a wireless router that has just been removed from use because 4G and there is only this tablet
2016-12-16T18:21:51 < kakimir> some wireless shiette to raspi?
2016-12-16T18:22:26 < kakimir> and make it support whatever airport it's called
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2016-12-16T18:24:19 < Kliment> raspi3 has builtin wifi
2016-12-16T18:26:00 < Laurenceb> hypeberry
2016-12-16T18:26:50 < Kliment> hey, it does the job and the price is ok
2016-12-16T18:27:16 < Kliment> if you're stuck with an ipad crippled by lack of usb and need to print stuff regularly it's a pretty good deal
2016-12-16T18:39:16 < kakimir> it has usb or something
2016-12-16T18:39:48 < kakimir> with adapter
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2016-12-16T18:39:55 < Tectu> zyp, ever actually used it?
2016-12-16T18:40:03 < Tectu> zyp, I fail to read a digital input :p
2016-12-16T18:40:07 < kakimir> but wont work with anything because wireless shittes
2016-12-16T18:40:20 < kakimir> everything must be wireless
2016-12-16T18:41:56 < Laurenceb> gas the stray cats, racehorse now
2016-12-16T18:41:59 < Laurenceb> thats my motto
2016-12-16T18:42:10 < kakimir> but adopt them too?
2016-12-16T18:42:16 < Laurenceb> no
2016-12-16T18:42:42 < kakimir> how is hitler? (assuming the name of your cat)
2016-12-16T18:42:52 < zyp> Tectu, not so much nrf52, but I've messed around with nrf51 a bit
2016-12-16T18:42:56 < Laurenceb> very well
2016-12-16T18:43:00 < zyp> should be similar wrt. io
2016-12-16T18:43:07 < kakimir> new pics?
2016-12-16T18:43:15 < zyp> Tectu, how are you trying to read it?
2016-12-16T18:43:21 < Laurenceb> http://cdn77.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/kitler20.jpg
2016-12-16T18:44:21 < Tectu> zyp, I already fail at initializing it. I get  NRF_ERROR_NO_MEM  back on my input init()
2016-12-16T18:44:48 < zyp> oh, you're using the SDK?
2016-12-16T18:44:52 < Tectu> zyp, jup
2016-12-16T18:44:56 < Tectu> zyp, SDK11
2016-12-16T18:45:08 < zyp> hmm, I haven't touched that in three years or so
2016-12-16T18:45:21 < zyp> just did the plain register thing last time I were messing around
2016-12-16T18:45:40 < Tectu> I see
2016-12-16T18:45:42 < Tectu> well thank you anyway :p
2016-12-16T18:45:47 < Tectu> outputs work well, SPI too
2016-12-16T18:46:20 < zyp> are you trying to use the pin as a plain gpio, or that other gpio thing?
2016-12-16T18:47:04 < zyp> IIRC there's the plain GPIO block, and then there's the extended thing with event control
2016-12-16T18:47:21 < zyp> and if you give control to the latter, you can't access it through the former or some shit like that
2016-12-16T18:47:41 < Tectu> zyp, that's what I have been thinking too, I even called the uninit() crap on the pin but same issue
2016-12-16T18:58:27 < Ecco> Hey :)
2016-12-16T18:58:38 < Ecco> I'm having some trouble figuring out how Altium's Camstatic works
2016-12-16T18:58:58 < Ecco> Is a camstatic file like a cam file factory?
2016-12-16T18:59:08 < Ecco> Where you can store your Gerber settings
2016-12-16T18:59:17 < Ecco> and have the output files updated whenever you modify the PCB?
2016-12-16T18:59:50 <@englishman> Tectu: ?
2016-12-16T18:59:54 <@englishman> never seent his issue
2016-12-16T18:59:57 <@englishman> nrf_gpio_pin_read(PIN)
2016-12-16T19:00:11 <@englishman> nrf_gpio_cfg_input(PIN, NRF_GPIO_PIN_NOPULL)
2016-12-16T19:00:22 <@englishman> easiest library ever
2016-12-16T19:00:26 < Fleck> :D
2016-12-16T19:00:54 < Fleck> englishman: Tectu wants uGFX on it with 24bit RGB LCD :D
2016-12-16T19:01:01 <@englishman> yes i did that too
2016-12-16T19:01:04 <@englishman> nrf51 and nrf52
2016-12-16T19:01:27 < Tectu> Hi englishman 
2016-12-16T19:01:29 < Tectu> Hi Fleck 
2016-12-16T19:01:32 < karlp> sweet, 659 B/sec flashing speed!
2016-12-16T19:01:33 <@englishman> ok it wasnt 24bit but upscaled :/
2016-12-16T19:01:36 < Tectu> englishman, it's pretty much what I'm doing :p
2016-12-16T19:01:37 < Fleck> hi
2016-12-16T19:01:57 <@englishman> hola Tectu 
2016-12-16T19:02:07 < Tectu> englishman, did you ever mess around with the gpiote thingy?
2016-12-16T19:02:25 <@englishman> never :(
2016-12-16T19:02:33 < Tectu> awww :(
2016-12-16T19:02:36 <@englishman> DMA ended up being so crappy on nrf52 anyway
2016-12-16T19:03:02 < zyp> ah, gpiote was the name of that other thing
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2016-12-16T19:03:18 < Tectu> zyp, still not sure what it stands for though :p
2016-12-16T19:03:30 < zyp> gpio tasks and events
2016-12-16T19:03:56 <@englishman> Tectu: this is your new god http://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.nordic.infocenter.sdk5.v12.2.0%2Findex.html
2016-12-16T19:04:41 < Tectu> zyp, makes sense
2016-12-16T19:04:48 < Tectu> englishman, still dicking around with SDK v11
2016-12-16T19:05:01 <@englishman> just click sdk11 below, then :)
2016-12-16T19:05:24 < Tectu> englishman, well, it's not like I didn't read the docs until now ;)
2016-12-16T19:08:28 <@englishman> are you on the nrf52 devkit
2016-12-16T19:09:37 < Tectu> jup
2016-12-16T19:13:09 < Tectu> englishman, do you have a working systick setup for that thingy?
2016-12-16T19:13:15 < Rob235> hiro
2016-12-16T19:13:24 <@englishman> yes
2016-12-16T19:13:30 <@englishman> void SysTick_Handler(void) {
2016-12-16T19:13:30 <@englishman>     m_systick_cnt++;
2016-12-16T19:13:39 <@englishman> systemticks_t gfxSystemTicks(void)
2016-12-16T19:13:39 <@englishman> {
2016-12-16T19:13:39 <@englishman>   return m_systick_cnt;
2016-12-16T19:13:47 <@englishman> i can also rtfm
2016-12-16T19:13:58 < Tectu> lol
2016-12-16T19:14:00 < Tectu> hi Rob235 
2016-12-16T19:14:29 < Rob235> I think I'm dying, I sleep 8 hours a night but I'm tired all the time
2016-12-16T19:14:40 <@englishman> zero exercise
2016-12-16T19:14:49 < Rob235> yea thats a good point :)
2016-12-16T19:14:50 < Tectu> englishman, time to ctrl+f
2016-12-16T19:16:22 < Rob235> I actually started doing some exercises a couple weeks ago but that only lasted a week :P
2016-12-16T19:16:51 < Tectu> englishman, any reason you're not using their systick HAL?
2016-12-16T19:17:45 < karlp> schweet http://imgur.com/a/OeZGI
2016-12-16T19:17:47 <@englishman> yes... this was originally sdk11 ported to sdk12
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2016-12-16T19:28:33 < Rob235> how does NOBL sram work? would it be faster than using async fast sram?
2016-12-16T19:35:38 < Tectu> jesus this HAL is way too simple
2016-12-16T19:36:21 <@englishman> nice isnt it
2016-12-16T19:41:52 < Tectu> well, I feel like I'm missing things
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2016-12-16T19:52:57 < Steffanx> Im here tectu
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2016-12-16T20:16:28 < Tectu> englishman, zyp, so wanna know why my GPIO shit didn't work?
2016-12-16T20:16:34 < Tectu> didn't wire it to the actual pin.
2016-12-16T20:16:34 <@englishman> yes
2016-12-16T20:16:39 <@englishman> pebkac
2016-12-16T20:17:02 <@englishman> isnt it 60 minutes later
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2016-12-16T20:20:19 < Rob235> can cyclone v and artix 7 use any kind of sram? the only thing I'm seeing is ip blocks for QDR II whatever that is
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2016-12-16T20:49:22 < dos_fan]> Rob235: Immediately I wonder why, especially since those parts have hardware SDRAM controllers built in.  SRAM is crazy expensive in even small densities
2016-12-16T20:51:18 < Rob235> http://www.digikey.com/products/en?mpart=CY7C1354C-200AXC&v=428
2016-12-16T20:52:43 < Rob235> actually this would be good: http://www.digikey.com/products/en?mpart=CY7C1061G30-10ZSXI&v=428
2016-12-16T20:52:45 < Rob235> :)
2016-12-16T20:53:17 < dos_fan]> You think £12 is reasonable for 720KB?
2016-12-16T20:54:14 < Rob235> how is it only 720?
2016-12-16T20:54:22 < Rob235> isn't it around 1MB
2016-12-16T20:54:33 < Rob235> but either way, its not for mass production so sure
2016-12-16T20:54:59 < Rob235> thats 12USD btw
2016-12-16T20:55:26 < Rob235> £9.60
2016-12-16T20:55:37 < dos_fan]> Not too far off, but either way
2016-12-16T20:55:46 < dos_fan]>  It's crazy expensive in comparison to SDRAM
2016-12-16T20:55:51 < Rob235> but its faster
2016-12-16T20:56:01 < Rob235> and I don't need like 1-2Gb
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2016-12-16T20:57:31 < Rob235> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/alliance-memory-inc/AS4C64M16D3A-12BCN/1450-1368-ND/6569865
2016-12-16T20:57:34 < Rob235> thats the ddr3 I was looking at
2016-12-16T20:59:38 < dos_fan]> You understand the routing implications of using something like that? The strict impedance control required?
2016-12-16T21:00:23 < Rob235> not yet
2016-12-16T21:00:24 < Rob235> :)
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2016-12-16T21:02:08 < Rob235> well if sram is easier then Id rather spend more anyway
2016-12-16T21:02:20 < Rob235> or are they both difficult to route?
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2016-12-16T21:03:16 < Rob235> http://i.imgur.com/7ums3.png
2016-12-16T21:03:33 < Rob235> that the issue?
2016-12-16T21:03:39 < dos_fan]> 10ns still requires care.  The slower it is obviously the easier it gets
2016-12-16T21:04:32 < dos_fan]> The meandering is to make the track length equal.  It's not about routing complexity
2016-12-16T21:04:43 < Rob235> yea I know
2016-12-16T21:04:51 < Rob235> so thats not what you were referring to
2016-12-16T21:05:20 < dos_fan]> Yes same reason
2016-12-16T21:05:24 < Rob235> oh ok
2016-12-16T21:06:01 < dos_fan]> Capacitive factors will slow the edges.  Not good for fast signals :)
2016-12-16T21:06:13 < Rob235> lot to learn
2016-12-16T21:07:12 < dos_fan]> It is tough.  Even the pros fear fast RAM
2016-12-16T21:07:22 < dos_fan]> I wish you good luck :)
2016-12-16T21:11:16 < Rob235> heh thanks
2016-12-16T21:11:36 < Rob235> maybe I should spend a grand on a fpga with enough interal ram :)
2016-12-16T21:14:59 < dos_fan]> I use some cheap FPGA boards with DDR3 on them.  Personally I wouldn't attempt to route such a thing myself
2016-12-16T21:16:32 < Rob235> why do lengths have to be the same? is it all about resistance of the copper or anything else come into play
2016-12-16T21:18:21 < dos_fan]> Simplistically we want the parallel busses signals to "arrive" at the same time.  We also want the electrical properties of the "load" to look the same 
2016-12-16T21:19:04 < Rob235> right, but I'm asking what affects those things.  its the resistance of the copper that causes longer lines to 'arrive' slower correct?
2016-12-16T21:20:44 < Rob235> ehh whatever, it doesn't matter, got more important things to learn about :)
2016-12-16T21:20:59 < dos_fan]> Do you understand impedance with respect to AC?
2016-12-16T21:21:06 < Rob235> not at all
2016-12-16T21:21:07 < dos_fan]> I'd start there
2016-12-16T21:21:13 < Rob235> ok
2016-12-16T21:21:15 < Rob235> thanks
2016-12-16T21:22:38 < Rob235> ugh I have like 60 tabs open in my browser
2016-12-16T21:22:46 < Rob235> always happens when I'm learning stuff
2016-12-16T21:26:06 < dos_fan]> There's a lot to consider with high speed signals.  A improperly (impedance) matched source and load will destroy the quality of the signal by way of reflected power
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2016-12-16T21:41:11 < jadew> I never understood how those traces are created without simulation
2016-12-16T21:41:51 < kakimir> is there putty sessions that stay alive over network problems?
2016-12-16T21:41:53 < jadew> to me, they look like inductors
2016-12-16T21:41:59 < kakimir> or change of network
2016-12-16T21:42:05 < jadew> kakimir, no
2016-12-16T21:42:06 < BrainDamage> they are lenght matched
2016-12-16T21:42:16 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, but is that enough?
2016-12-16T21:42:17 < kakimir> sucks very much
2016-12-16T21:42:31 < Kliment> kakimir: mosh
2016-12-16T21:42:32 < jadew> I mean, the inductance itself will have an impact on the effective length
2016-12-16T21:42:36 < BrainDamage> for differential signals, yes, sorta
2016-12-16T21:42:44 < kakimir> my phone latches about 10times a day
2016-12-16T21:43:01 < Kliment> kakimir: mosh is designed for exactly this
2016-12-16T21:43:08 < jadew> not to mention that they're super close to other tracks and there'll be capacitive coupling
2016-12-16T21:43:20 < jadew> or even inductive
2016-12-16T21:43:29 < BrainDamage> not if you have a ground plane below
2016-12-16T21:43:30 < kakimir> Kliment: it's server side?
2016-12-16T21:43:34 < jadew> do they just make them and hope for the best?
2016-12-16T21:43:38 < Kliment> kakimir: both sides
2016-12-16T21:43:38 < BrainDamage> which wil dominate the coupling
2016-12-16T21:43:57 < BrainDamage> failmir: you can't use putty
2016-12-16T21:44:11 < BrainDamage> you have to use mosh as client, from a terminal
2016-12-16T21:44:13 < kakimir> "Install Mosh for Chrome."
2016-12-16T21:44:34 < kakimir> I rather keep my ircs and my google seperate
2016-12-16T21:44:47 < Kliment> kakimir: I just run it in a terminal
2016-12-16T21:44:52 < BrainDamage> and mosh terminal capabilities are pretty limited because it's not a dumb socket like ssh
2016-12-16T21:45:23 < jadew> what's mosh?
2016-12-16T21:45:31 < kakimir> nah better get this phone broplem fixed
2016-12-16T21:46:17 < Kliment> jadew: mosh is a protocol built on top of ssh for active recovery from intermittent network failure
2016-12-16T21:46:20 < BrainDamage> https://lmgtfy.com/?q=mosh+shell
2016-12-16T21:46:25 < BrainDamage> it's not on top of ssh
2016-12-16T21:46:35 < BrainDamage> it's a completely separate protocol
2016-12-16T21:46:42 < BrainDamage> it uses ssh only for authentication
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2016-12-16T21:47:27 < jadew> how does it support intermittent connections? does it keep everything on the server open?
2016-12-16T21:47:35 < jadew> I suppose it has to
2016-12-16T21:47:57 < BrainDamage> no, it keeps a syncronized delta machine in the client with local echo feedback
2016-12-16T21:48:15 < BrainDamage> and tranmits over stateless udp packets
2016-12-16T21:48:38 < BrainDamage> the delta state is kept persistant for long periods
2016-12-16T21:49:00 < Kliment> The server side keeps the session alive, yes
2016-12-16T21:49:03 < BrainDamage> so you can reconnect with ip changes, etc, as long as you have the same session key
2016-12-16T21:49:07 < jadew> doesn't that mean that if you start vim, it stays open regardless if the connection is alive or not?
2016-12-16T21:49:13 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-12-16T21:49:24 < jadew> yeah, not for me
2016-12-16T21:49:32 < BrainDamage> iirc default timeout is 30 min
2016-12-16T21:49:39 < BrainDamage> you can always use tmux
2016-12-16T21:49:40 < jadew> oh, there's a timeout
2016-12-16T21:49:41 < jadew> nice
2016-12-16T21:49:53 < Kliment> jadew: You can stop the session if you want of course
2016-12-16T21:50:16 < Kliment> jadew: But I tend to keep it running - I've often been disconnected for days, then I reconnect and the session is still there
2016-12-16T21:50:18 < jadew> sounds interesting
2016-12-16T21:50:41 < jadew> for me ssh connections are stable tho
2016-12-16T21:50:51 < jadew> I often find forgotten ones days later
2016-12-16T21:51:05 < Steffanx> Yeah and i use screen for when i have to disconnect..
2016-12-16T21:51:16 < jadew> hai2u R2COM
2016-12-16T21:51:19 < Steffanx> Hello mr.
2016-12-16T21:51:30 < Tectu> Hi R2COM 
2016-12-16T21:52:06 < Tectu> R2COM, did altium lower their prices in general or is that a "you're a cool guy pls don't hurt america"-offer?
2016-12-16T21:52:25 < Steffanx> What about mentor graphics stuff?
2016-12-16T21:52:42 < Tectu> R2COM, what tools do you use for PCB stuff?
2016-12-16T21:53:02 < jadew> R2COM, I don't think any altium license has sold for 9k
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2016-12-16T21:53:23 < jadew> and yeah, mentor graphics would be worth considering if the prices are similar
2016-12-16T21:53:33 < Tectu> R2COM, is customer ready to pay 5k extra?
2016-12-16T21:53:54 < Tectu> mentor graphics sounds P-CAD -ish
2016-12-16T21:55:13 < Steffanx> Anyway you expect us to say? Im sure no one here can convince you to go altium ;)
2016-12-16T21:56:25 < Steffanx> Orcad also does some year subscription?
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2016-12-16T21:58:08 < jadew> bottom line, get eagle
2016-12-16T21:58:36 < jadew> haha
2016-12-16T21:59:02 < jadew> I was only kidding anyway
2016-12-16T21:59:22 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-16T21:59:32 < jadew> and I know ibis, it's not bad
2016-12-16T22:00:30 < jadew> what's the difference between altium and orcad? usability wise?
2016-12-16T22:01:44 < Tectu> what on earth is ibis?
2016-12-16T22:01:57 < kakimir> I need ip68 weight scale element for beer density measurements
2016-12-16T22:02:11 < Tectu> R2COM, I recently switched from KiCAD to Diptrace
2016-12-16T22:02:17 < jadew> Tectu, why?
2016-12-16T22:02:23 < kakimir> so I connect it to known density known volume object under surface
2016-12-16T22:02:42 < Tectu> R2COM, jup, but they got me the full unlimited license for 320 USD
2016-12-16T22:02:50 < jadew> if diptrace better than kicad?
2016-12-16T22:02:58 < jadew> when I tried them, it didn't feel that way
2016-12-16T22:03:57 < Tectu> you are typing all this on a phone?!
2016-12-16T22:04:11 < jadew> he's probably shitting right now
2016-12-16T22:04:45 < Tectu> better focus on that, R2COM 
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2016-12-16T22:06:24 < Tectu> anyway, Isn't OrCAD pretty much dead?
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2016-12-16T22:09:35 < Kliment> no cad package ever dies as long as some product designed in it is still in the wild
2016-12-16T22:10:08 < jadew> and as long as it costs 1.8k/license it's always going to be looked after
2016-12-16T22:12:42 < jadew> orcad?
2016-12-16T22:13:53 < kakimir> I have hard time imagining how 2k licences can be "not a thing" for most of small 1+ person companies
2016-12-16T22:14:17 < jadew> kakimir, what do you mean?
2016-12-16T22:14:29 < Tectu> I was asking myself that very same question.
2016-12-16T22:14:35 < Tectu> what on earth were you trying to say?
2016-12-16T22:15:15 < kakimir> real money is one magnitude bigger than I think it is
2016-12-16T22:15:29 < kakimir> when companies buy and sell shiets
2016-12-16T22:15:54 < jadew> well it can either be that he think it costs a lot and finds it hard to imagine it not affecting a small company or that he thinks it's silly that not more companies are buying 2k licenses
2016-12-16T22:16:24 < jadew> (cuz they're affordable)
2016-12-16T22:17:15 < jadew> kakimir, I guess there are a lot of tiny companies for which 2k is ok for a CAD package
2016-12-16T22:17:30 < jadew> if there weren't, the prices would be a bit lower
2016-12-16T22:17:35 < kakimir> I just reflect all thru my personal economy
2016-12-16T22:17:54 < jadew> I know what you mean, I don't have 2k for a cad package either
2016-12-16T22:18:32 < jadew> but then again, I've never made any money from electronics
2016-12-16T22:18:36 < kakimir> if I had a one man company it should propably have money coming in triple to tenfold my salary
2016-12-16T22:18:57 < Tectu> I guess you'd have to stop blogging for that
2016-12-16T22:19:12 < jadew> my initial goal for my company is to have half the income I had when I was employed
2016-12-16T22:19:23 < Tectu> guy that knows how stuff works ^
2016-12-16T22:19:33 < Tectu> your own company != being rich
2016-12-16T22:19:42 < kakimir> yes
2016-12-16T22:19:58 < kakimir> I didn't say my salaty would be anything at all
2016-12-16T22:20:05 < kakimir> *salary
2016-12-16T22:21:22 < kakimir> so if I wanted real pay for the work company should have revenue like at least 3times that or propably at least 10times in electronics
2016-12-16T22:21:43 < kakimir> if hardware involved
2016-12-16T22:28:50 < jadew> I'm currently putting a lot of effort into something
2016-12-16T22:29:13 < jadew> like... 12-16 hours work days
2016-12-16T22:29:29 < jadew> it better work
2016-12-16T22:30:00 < jadew> can't tell you at the moment
2016-12-16T22:30:32 < jadew> I'm 3-6 months from having something that I can actually sell
2016-12-16T22:31:23 < Steffanx> I always wonder how that works. Can your boss claim you worked on stuff during work time, because you work from your home?
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2016-12-16T22:32:50 < jadew> Steffanx, I don't know, I suppose that's possible in crappier companies
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2016-12-16T22:33:49 < jadew> like those that make you sign stuff which says you can't work for competition for 2 years after the fact
2016-12-16T22:33:58 < jadew> or that any ideas you had during your employment there is theirs
2016-12-16T22:34:03 < jadew> and you can't make anything with it lol
2016-12-16T22:35:37 < jadew> I wonder what it's like to sign that sort of contract
2016-12-16T22:40:10 < jadew> the feeling of agreeing to getting screwed over
2016-12-16T22:41:15 < Steffanx> :P
2016-12-16T23:01:12 < karlp> jadew: in many countries those are not actually enforceable, and are just put there to scare employees
2016-12-16T23:01:42 < karlp> I've told two employers that I'd never sign such a contract without something in return, like, "you're going to pay me for those two years that I can't work in my field of expertise"
2016-12-16T23:27:16 < upgrdman> guess im lucky. my employer is pretty laid back. no contracts (written or verbal) limiting what i can do
2016-12-16T23:29:13 < karlp> that sounds _insane_ for a US ttech company working in multiple nations
2016-12-16T23:29:21 < karlp> are you sure you don't get some implicit bullshit?
2016-12-16T23:29:46 < upgrdman> me?
2016-12-16T23:30:33 < karlp> aren't you the orange county us medical tech industry dude?
2016-12-16T23:30:57 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-16T23:31:03 < karlp> it sounds like your employer either knows something you don't, or it's playing with a great big ball of fire
2016-12-16T23:31:22 < upgrdman> well the secret is theyre good to their employees, so few people want to leave
2016-12-16T23:31:43 < upgrdman> well, theyre good to their valuable employees at least
2016-12-16T23:33:16 < karlp> being good is nice,
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2016-12-16T23:33:40 < karlp> but what's stopping you from taking everything and starting your own company competing with them? what protection do they have to ensure _you_ are nice?
2016-12-16T23:34:03 < karlp> it sounds unusual for a california based tech company in a medical field to have _no_ contract with their staff
2016-12-16T23:34:12 < karlp> (highly unusual)
2016-12-16T23:34:16 < upgrdman> starting a medical company is NOT easy :) guess theyre banking on the barrier to entry
2016-12-16T23:34:56 < upgrdman> besides, my company has hired people from their customers or competitors before. theyre willing to play the game, and it goes both ways.
2016-12-16T23:35:38 < upgrdman> a sort of "this is the world we live in. we'll keep our staff happy so they have less incentive to leave."
2016-12-16T23:36:39 < upgrdman> works out quite nicely, and theres no need for bullshit unions etc.
2016-12-16T23:40:11 < karlp> nice if it works :) glad you've gott a good employer :)
2016-12-16T23:42:02 < upgrdman> :)
2016-12-16T23:43:12 < upgrdman> a few of my friends also work in the tech industry here, only one has signed restrictive contracts, and he works for a *big* company
2016-12-16T23:43:46 < upgrdman> and it unlikely the contract would be enforceable since california is pretty liberal with stuff
2016-12-16T23:44:26 < karlp> with _some_ stuff :)
2016-12-16T23:44:42 < upgrdman> true
2016-12-16T23:44:55 < upgrdman> karlp, what region are you in?
2016-12-16T23:46:58 < karlp> iceland, but I lived in san ho for a few years
2016-12-16T23:47:18 < upgrdman> ho = jose?
2016-12-16T23:51:01  * Laurenceb has a new tom66 project https://sli.mg/4XcBnH
2016-12-16T23:51:05 < Laurenceb> inb4 trollin
2016-12-16T23:52:10 < karlp> upgrdman: yah
2016-12-16T23:53:10 < jadew> 500 mg?
2016-12-16T23:53:31 < jadew> how big is it?
2016-12-16T23:53:35 < Laurenceb> yep, but beaten by bat detectors, 250mg :(
2016-12-16T23:53:41 < Laurenceb> 15x5mm
2016-12-16T23:53:48 < Laurenceb> s/detect/tracker
2016-12-16T23:53:58 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, whats it do? just transmit on the carrier freq non-stop? or modulate with some data?
2016-12-16T23:54:25 < Laurenceb> just carrier
2016-12-16T23:54:42 < Laurenceb> turns off when a magnet gets close
2016-12-16T23:54:50 < upgrdman> wonder if LC tank would do that decently? or tempco would assrape you?
2016-12-16T23:55:05 < Laurenceb> LC for what?
2016-12-16T23:55:14 < Laurenceb> oscillator
2016-12-16T23:55:14 < upgrdman> crude transmitter.
2016-12-16T23:55:17 < Laurenceb> oh lol
2016-12-16T23:55:26 < upgrdman> LC + transistors, done
2016-12-16T23:55:29 < Laurenceb> nah a few ppm is enough of a headache
2016-12-16T23:55:31 < upgrdman> well + antenna wire
2016-12-16T23:55:33 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-16T23:55:46 < BrainDamage> he wants to track doppler for speed
2016-12-16T23:55:47 < Laurenceb> there is xtal + magnetic sensor on other side 
2016-12-16T23:55:57 < upgrdman> nice
2016-12-16T23:55:58 < Laurenceb> yeah I need a fairly stable carrier
2016-12-16T23:56:02 < jadew> BrainDamage, haha, on a weather baloon? :D
2016-12-16T23:56:11 < jadew> or what baloons he's flying
2016-12-16T23:56:19 < BrainDamage> on a rocket, strapped on a weather balloon
2016-12-16T23:56:19 < Laurenceb> differential doppler between sites
2016-12-16T23:56:29 < Rob235> nice, my aunt gave me $150 for the fpga and some other parts
2016-12-16T23:56:32 < upgrdman> double doppler FTW
2016-12-16T23:56:43 < Laurenceb> airspy + http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=234
2016-12-16T23:56:49 < Laurenceb> at each site
2016-12-16T23:57:21 < jadew> why do you want to measure that tho?
2016-12-16T23:57:49 < BrainDamage> because if you integrate the speed you know the distance
2016-12-16T23:58:04 < Laurenceb> yup
2016-12-16T23:58:16 < Laurenceb> well differential distance between sites
2016-12-16T23:58:22 < BrainDamage> it's doppler towards ground, so he'd know the alitude from ground
2016-12-16T23:58:28 < Laurenceb> and all clock drift is cancelled
2016-12-16T23:58:32 < jadew> ah, cuz you'll have different shifts at both ends
2016-12-16T23:58:35 < Laurenceb> yes
2016-12-16T23:58:41 < Laurenceb> its a little more complex
2016-12-16T23:58:59 < Laurenceb> basically you grab differential pseudorange then fit to a trajectory
2016-12-16T23:59:20 < Laurenceb> using matlab fitting library stuff and about 1 hour on shitty pc
2016-12-16T23:59:25 < BrainDamage> and then you forget earth rotates
2016-12-16T23:59:49 < BrainDamage> and suddendly the rocket is on the iss
2016-12-16T23:59:50 < Laurenceb> if earth isnt rotating it actually becomes numerically unstable
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2016-12-17T00:00:17 < jadew> luckly you can rely on that for now
2016-12-17T00:00:18 < jadew> :D
2016-12-17T00:00:23 < Laurenceb> and your altitude is NaN
2016-12-17T00:00:37 < zyp> hmm, 16.384MHz is a weird frequency
2016-12-17T00:01:06 < Laurenceb> thing is, this technique was done in 1950s with electromechanical "computers"
2016-12-17T00:01:17 < Laurenceb> how in the heck did they pull it off....
2016-12-17T00:01:30 < upgrdman> good machining?
2016-12-17T00:01:43 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-12-17T00:01:46 < Laurenceb> epic maths gurus
2016-12-17T00:02:08 < upgrdman> and make-it-work-the-taxpayers-will-pay-for-it
2016-12-17T00:02:16 < Laurenceb> when it works it very epicv, gives you position to wavelength*pll_jitter*geometry_factor
2016-12-17T00:02:28 < karlp> Laurenceb: where do yuou gett 10mAh cells?
2016-12-17T00:02:29 < Laurenceb> which ends up being centimeters, so better than gps
2016-12-17T00:02:37 < Laurenceb> karlp: polish webstore
2016-12-17T00:02:42 < Laurenceb> for RC modelling
2016-12-17T00:02:53 < jadew> Laurenceb, did you try it?
2016-12-17T00:03:04 < upgrdman> wtf rc shits use 10mAh? smallest i see in RC is like 100-200mAh
2016-12-17T00:03:09 < Laurenceb> jadew: only in simulation
2016-12-17T00:03:28 < Laurenceb> http://www.shop.kkpmo.com/
2016-12-17T00:03:31 < Laurenceb> email them
2016-12-17T00:03:37 < jadew> Laurenceb, I'm trying to understand tho, how do you get positioning out of that?
2016-12-17T00:03:46 < jadew> you have to know more than the dopler shift
2016-12-17T00:03:52 < BrainDamage> to try it irl you'd need either something stupidly fast or pretty stable oscillators to have meaningful tss
2016-12-17T00:03:56 < jadew> that only tells you relative direction
2016-12-17T00:04:09 < Laurenceb> yes, but you know the starting location
2016-12-17T00:04:09 < upgrdman> jadew, doppler shift == velocity
2016-12-17T00:04:18 < Laurenceb> as it was on the GPs equipped balloon
2016-12-17T00:04:19 < upgrdman> integrate + initial location = location
2016-12-17T00:04:31 < Laurenceb> bbl
2016-12-17T00:04:34 < jadew> but this means that 1) You have to constantly track it
2016-12-17T00:04:40 < jadew> and 2) You need 3 trackers
2016-12-17T00:04:40 < upgrdman> yes you do
2016-12-17T00:04:44 < upgrdman> yes
2016-12-17T00:04:52 < Laurenceb> no only 2
2016-12-17T00:04:59 < jadew> see, that doesn't make sense
2016-12-17T00:05:01 < Laurenceb> as you can fit trajectories
2016-12-17T00:05:03 < Laurenceb> using matlab
2016-12-17T00:05:29 < jadew> you'd know that beforehand?
2016-12-17T00:06:45 < jadew> BrainDamage, I think the dopler shift can be observed even at low speeds
2016-12-17T00:07:00 < BrainDamage> sure you can, you just need a precise oscillator
2016-12-17T00:07:22 < jadew> let me try something, this might be fun
2016-12-17T00:08:27 < BrainDamage> https://www.dropbox.com/s/slzslkmqejeeosv/merge1.mp4?dl=0
2016-12-17T00:08:39 < BrainDamage> not me on the video before you ask
2016-12-17T00:08:51 < jadew> it's asking for user/pass
2016-12-17T00:09:24 < jadew> and I hope it's not a video of what I'm about to try :D
2016-12-17T00:10:07 < BrainDamage> running like a spastic in front of a pair of antennas?
2016-12-17T00:10:17 < jadew> pretty much haha
2016-12-17T00:13:56 < BrainDamage> your v is going to be << c , so we can approximate doppler shift as deltaV/c*f0 -> say you run at 5m/s and f is 1GHz, your doppler is going to be 16Hz
2016-12-17T00:14:04 < BrainDamage> over a carrier of 1GHz
2016-12-17T00:14:40 < BrainDamage> so you'll need a stability better than 10^-9 to see it decently
2016-12-17T00:15:01 < jadew> my oscillators is all over the place :(
2016-12-17T00:15:33 < BrainDamage> try again the link btw
2016-12-17T00:16:06 < jadew> interesting
2016-12-17T00:16:38 < upgrdman> jew oven?
2016-12-17T00:16:44 < jadew> R2COM, I'm just playing with my SA right now
2016-12-17T00:17:26 < jadew> was trying to get a doppler shift
2016-12-17T00:17:35 < jadew> but the oscillator isn't stable enough
2016-12-17T00:19:58 < jadew> BrainDamage, I was going to just wave it around
2016-12-17T00:20:24 < BrainDamage> if you just wave it then you'll see just shit
2016-12-17T00:20:41 < BrainDamage> especially if combined with the spectrum analyzer refresh rate
2016-12-17T00:20:42 < jadew> not if you wave it long enough
2016-12-17T00:21:01 < BrainDamage> no, you will see shit because you'll get both positive and negative shift
2016-12-17T00:21:05 < jadew> yeah, you just have to make sure it's a long enough wave and you don't go from one side to the other
2016-12-17T00:21:07 < BrainDamage> and you'll never be uniform enough
2016-12-17T00:21:16 < jadew> yeah, not like that
2016-12-17T00:21:43 < jadew> I think a SDR would shine in this experiment
2016-12-17T00:22:11 < BrainDamage> i think you should understand the basics first :p
2016-12-17T00:22:30 < jadew> I wasn't trying to wave it from one side to the other
2016-12-17T00:22:48 < jadew> just get it close to the antena fast enough, for a long time
2016-12-17T00:22:55 < jadew> I know how the doppler efect works...
2016-12-17T00:23:05 < jadew> *effect
2016-12-17T00:23:24 < jadew> and a SDR would work better because of the high refresh rate and low RBW
2016-12-17T00:23:32 < jadew> you can probably get super fast update with 1 Hz RBW
2016-12-17T00:23:51 < jadew> enough that you can actually wave it in front of the antena and see the shift as you move your hand
2016-12-17T00:23:57 < BrainDamage> you don't need particular requirements on the RBW
2016-12-17T00:24:04 < BrainDamage> you can just homodyne it down
2016-12-17T00:24:54 < BrainDamage> you'll get a crapload of dc bias, but who cares if it's just a test and aren't interested in intensiy measurements
2016-12-17T00:24:57 < jadew> does that amplify the shift?
2016-12-17T00:25:11 < BrainDamage> it makes it 0 centered
2016-12-17T00:25:32 < jadew> how does that help?
2016-12-17T00:25:54 < BrainDamage> so you won't be measuring anymore a shift of 16Hz over a 1GHz carrier, you'll be measuring a shift of 16Hz over a 0Hz center
2016-12-17T00:26:14 < jadew> that still requires high RBW
2016-12-17T00:26:22 < jadew> sorry
2016-12-17T00:26:23 < jadew> low
2016-12-17T00:26:40 < jadew> ah, but I guess you can measure it with a scope
2016-12-17T00:27:02 < BrainDamage> you can acquire it with anything at that point
2016-12-17T00:27:08 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-17T00:27:35 < BrainDamage> or in my case, a stm32 :p
2016-12-17T00:28:04 < BrainDamage> and then you do SDR with your adc signal
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2016-12-17T01:10:46 < karlp> cool soldering: http://i.imgur.com/tt9gldy.jpg
2016-12-17T01:11:32 < emeb> I knew there was something I've been missing - hot glue!
2016-12-17T01:14:24 <@englishman> altidumb is fucked up my shit
2016-12-17T01:15:19 <@englishman> http://i.imgur.com/CYRJGpf.png
2016-12-17T01:18:54 < jadew> they missed a period
2016-12-17T01:19:04 < jadew> two
2016-12-17T01:19:21 < jadew> are you sure that's altium and not some chinese clone?
2016-12-17T01:19:45 <@englishman> heh
2016-12-17T01:21:58 < karlp> hey emeb! I've been missing you, and thinking of you!
2016-12-17T01:22:11 < karlp> we're about to start using some goertzal stuff at work!
2016-12-17T01:22:42 < karlp> and even looking at hal whatsizt's digital state variable filter as an alternative to some traditional biquad stuff we've been using.
2016-12-17T01:22:45 < emeb> karlp: cool - goertzel is fun
2016-12-17T01:22:53 < emeb> Hal Chamberlain
2016-12-17T01:23:20 < karlp> yeah, we prototyped a few algorithms in python, and goertzal was like, "yep, super accurate, even with the noise we've got"
2016-12-17T01:23:36 < karlp> oh, and it's effectivelt ~same complexity as a regular IIR? sweeeeeet!
2016-12-17T01:23:45 < emeb> It's pretty simple.
2016-12-17T01:23:55 < karlp> only other method that was as accurate was cross correlation, with _massively_ higher computational complexity
2016-12-17T01:24:48 < emeb> it can have some stability issues if your math accuracy isn't great
2016-12-17T01:25:00 < emeb> but basically it's just one bin of a DFT
2016-12-17T01:25:53 < ds2> goertzel is the simplified FFT to detect tones, right?
2016-12-17T01:26:08 < emeb> karlp: if you've got more than one goertzel to compute in parallel then this might be more efficient -> https://www.dsprelated.com/showarticle/776.php
2016-12-17T01:26:16 < emeb> ds2: yes - 
2016-12-17T01:26:25 < karlp> like a single bin DFT.
2016-12-17T01:26:34 < karlp> yeah, you already said that :)
2016-12-17T01:26:35 < emeb> sometimes folks will run 7 goertzel in parallel to do DTMF decoding.
2016-12-17T01:26:45 < karlp> yeah, we're only going to be doing 1.
2016-12-17T01:29:55 <@englishman> lol jadew found the problem
2016-12-17T01:30:23 <@englishman> if you have a component with something like Value = 2.2uH
2016-12-17T01:30:52 <@englishman> 'Value' is the Name. if you clear that out, then import the schematic into PCB, you can save the pcb once. but you can't ever save it again after reopening
2016-12-17T01:31:10 <@englishman> whats the bug bounty on this
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2016-12-17T01:39:53 < emeb> ds2: latest radio project -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/hfbone/index.html
2016-12-17T01:41:18 <@englishman> wow neato
2016-12-17T01:42:07 <@englishman> that is a lot of fpga for $24
2016-12-17T01:42:28 < emeb> they used to be cheaper
2016-12-17T01:42:49 <@englishman> funny all those boards are made for BBB yet there is no BBB in the stack :)
2016-12-17T01:43:07 < emeb> Yeah - got tired of fighting with Linux.
2016-12-17T01:43:17 < emeb> So now I just do bare metal on an STM32
2016-12-17T01:44:03 < emeb> I've also got an F746 version of that board if more horsepower is needed.
2016-12-17T01:48:17 < zyp> cute
2016-12-17T01:50:17 < emeb> yeah - that AD9865 MxFE chip is pretty fun. It's got built-in PGA and LPF on the ADC so I can crank the RF sensitivity up pretty high.
2016-12-17T01:50:34 < emeb> Looks like I can probably detect down to about 2uV or so.
2016-12-17T01:54:00 < Thorn> btw a dsp course that seems somewhat relevant https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaJppqXMef2ZHIKM4vpwHIAWyRmw3TtSf
2016-12-17T01:54:47 < emeb> Nifty!
2016-12-17T01:54:56 < emeb> Looks like it covers a lot of important stuff
2016-12-17T01:55:01 < jadew> englishman, heh, silly bug
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2016-12-17T02:18:52 < Laurenceb_> sup
2016-12-17T02:24:10 < ds2> hmmm 
2016-12-17T02:29:26 < emeb> hmmm
2016-12-17T02:29:50 < emeb> listening to some 40m LSB contesting.
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2016-12-17T02:33:44 < Laurenceb_> going full hamtard
2016-12-17T02:34:00 < emeb> heh
2016-12-17T02:34:02 < karlp> englishman: which fpga are you talking about at $24?
2016-12-17T02:34:17 <@englishman> the one in e-meb's likn
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2016-12-17T02:35:32 < emeb> actually a bit cheaper than that: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/xilinx-inc/XC6SLX9-2TQG144C/122-1745-ND/2339919
2016-12-17T02:35:38 < karlp> thespartan 6 is on digikey at $16
2016-12-17T02:35:44 < karlp> yeah, ok,hence my confusion
2016-12-17T02:36:07 < emeb> that's the -2 speedgrade. I used -3 which is $18
2016-12-17T02:36:16 < emeb> but they used to be $12 :(
2016-12-17T02:36:34 < Laurenceb_> not that much ram
2016-12-17T02:36:37 < Laurenceb_> *logic
2016-12-17T02:36:46 < Laurenceb_> fair amount of ram I guess
2016-12-17T02:36:57 < emeb> It's enough logic for the stuff I do.
2016-12-17T02:37:22 < emeb> the key is that it's got those DSP cores - multiply/accumulate
2016-12-17T02:38:01 < emeb> that collapses a lot of the raw logic for the DSP stuff I do
2016-12-17T02:38:46 < emeb> the DDC/DUC stuff I'm doing uses < 50% of the FPGA @ 80Msps
2016-12-17T02:39:44 < karlp> be curious where the point is were a fpga vs a f4 would help on the dsp stuff we're doing.
2016-12-17T02:40:00 < karlp> pretty surean f4 et al would be farrrrsimpler and cheaper for most of it.
2016-12-17T02:40:35 < emeb> karlp: I use the fpga only to get the RF stuff down to a sample rate that the F4 can handle - then do all the hairy stuff in floating point on the MCU.
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2016-12-17T02:41:26 < emeb> SSB demod uses about 20-30% of the F4 cycles.
2016-12-17T02:41:41 <@englishman> karlp: yeah $canadabux its 24
2016-12-17T02:43:09 < karlp> englishman: ahh, got it
2016-12-17T02:44:40 < ds2> I wonder if the pseudo DSP in the PSoC5 can 80Msps
2016-12-17T02:45:37 < karlp> who does the ntp thing here again?
2016-12-17T02:45:44 < karlp> how does it compare to http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=120&products_id=272 ?
2016-12-17T02:46:22 < emeb> gxti?
2016-12-17T02:46:31 < emeb> pretty sure he has something like that.
2016-12-17T02:47:01 < karlp> that's it.
2016-12-17T02:47:30 < emeb> don't remember what his webpage is though
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2016-12-17T02:47:40 < gxti> it compares by being for sale while mine isn't
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2016-12-17T02:47:56 < emeb> minor detail
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2016-12-17T02:48:42 < karlp> gxti: is there much else really?
2016-12-17T02:48:51 < karlp> i thought yours was for sale too?
2016-12-17T02:49:03 < gxti> it was for about a year, then i decided selling things sucks
2016-12-17T02:49:09 < emeb> +100
2016-12-17T02:49:10 < karlp> ah, fair enough :)
2016-12-17T02:49:22 < gxti> performance wise you can never really tell just from the 'marketing'
2016-12-17T02:51:37 < gxti> so you built a ddc transceiver? neat
2016-12-17T02:51:45 < emeb> yep.
2016-12-17T02:52:25 < emeb> wish my antenna was better. 
2016-12-17T02:52:39 < emeb> just a big chunk of wire in the attic for now.
2016-12-17T02:52:51 < gxti> i was tinkering with wspr hardware for a while then i got distracted by video games, not much innovating lately
2016-12-17T02:53:55 < emeb> yeah - my pal whose helping with this is big on low-power low-bitrate radio stuff.
2016-12-17T02:54:08 < emeb> we're hoping to get some of those digital modes running on this
2016-12-17T02:55:28 < emeb> I suspect that the F4 or F7 can handle the low-rate data - all the coding and modulation.
2016-12-17T02:56:19 < Laurenceb_> heh floating point
2016-12-17T02:56:29 < Laurenceb_> I guess with FPU its not too insane
2016-12-17T02:56:39 < emeb> that's the idea. 
2016-12-17T02:56:41 < Laurenceb_> I looked at doing SDR GPS with F4
2016-12-17T02:56:47 < Laurenceb_> its def doable
2016-12-17T02:57:00 < Laurenceb_> but I'm not sure how necessary CW blockers are
2016-12-17T02:57:12 < Laurenceb_> adding those as well would be v hard
2016-12-17T02:58:40 < Laurenceb_> the best bet was a preprocessor that ate raw frontend I/Q sample data and preprocessed into nibble aligned samples
2016-12-17T02:59:01 < Laurenceb_> then huge hardcoded unrolled loops for processing each sat PRN
2016-12-17T02:59:20 < emeb> are the CW interferers within the spread spectrum bandwidth?
2016-12-17T02:59:35 < Laurenceb_> there _shouldn't_ be any there
2016-12-17T02:59:57 < Laurenceb_> I've got a raw sampler that came with Kai Borre's "SDR GPS" book
2016-12-17T03:00:14 < Laurenceb_> took a look at the raw FFT and it always looked pretty much ok
2016-12-17T03:00:26 < Laurenceb_> but all the commercial stuff I've seen uses CW blockers
2016-12-17T03:00:28 < emeb> I assume that the front end has decent filtering and gain control.
2016-12-17T03:00:43 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-12-17T03:00:47 < gxti> shitty power supplies are everywhere
2016-12-17T03:00:53 < gxti> pooping over all our spektrumz
2016-12-17T03:01:09 < Laurenceb_> yeah theres tons of nastly CW lines in the spectrogram
2016-12-17T03:01:17 < Laurenceb_> but they are lower power than the sats
2016-12-17T03:02:11 < gxti> after, uh, process gain i think it's called?
2016-12-17T03:02:16 < emeb> yep
2016-12-17T03:02:26 < gxti> that's about the extent of my knowledge on that topic.
2016-12-17T03:02:29 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-12-17T03:02:36  * gxti did not go to EE school
2016-12-17T03:02:38 < emeb> the cws get spread out while the sats collapse into strong tones
2016-12-17T03:03:01 < Laurenceb_> well sat power within the bandwidth was usually greater than the worst CW
2016-12-17T03:03:17 < Laurenceb_> the CW power was really very low, CE works I suppose
2016-12-17T03:03:56 < emeb> Funny - the GPS tracker app on my andorrhoid recently started showing GLONASS sats too.
2016-12-17T03:04:08 < gxti> !!
2016-12-17T03:04:09 < emeb> didn't know that the GNSS chips in cheap phones could do both.
2016-12-17T03:04:13 < gxti> communist infiltrators
2016-12-17T03:04:22 < gxti> sapping and impurifying our bodily fluids
2016-12-17T03:04:23 < karlp> galilleo live now too right?
2016-12-17T03:04:24 < emeb> Russian haxxors
2016-12-17T03:04:29 < emeb> so I hear
2016-12-17T03:04:38 < emeb> wonder if those will pop up too. :)
2016-12-17T03:12:56 < Laurenceb_> there is no countones on cortex, so 1bit/sample ends up slower than 1nibble/sample
2016-12-17T03:13:16 < Laurenceb_> where you can use the DSP instructions to do SIMD with 8 samples at a time
2016-12-17T03:13:41 < Laurenceb_> also allows 2bits/sample as the input, so win/win
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2016-12-17T03:14:00 < emeb> that front-end gives you 1.023Msps?
2016-12-17T03:16:42 < Laurenceb_> more like 8Msps
2016-12-17T03:19:23 < Laurenceb_> you need to oversample a lot for stability
2016-12-17T03:19:55 < emeb> makes sense
2016-12-17T03:21:07 < emeb> seems like trying to run an F4 @ 8Msps would be an exercise in pain.
2016-12-17T03:21:23 < emeb> getting into hand-tune assy territory
2016-12-17T03:21:54 < Laurenceb_> of course
2016-12-17T03:49:24 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK4PMYiawM8
2016-12-17T03:52:27 < Thorn> no integral component in control law
2016-12-17T03:53:05 < Thorn> https://spacelin.ru/
2016-12-17T03:57:30 < Laurenceb_> not really hand-tune assy
2016-12-17T03:57:38 < Laurenceb_> more like autogenerated assembly
2016-12-17T03:58:36 < Laurenceb_> some inline hardcoded xor for the code, then some "addnibbles" and occasional phasor rotation to cope with doppler
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2016-12-17T04:34:10 < Thorn> LeelooMinai: btw I received those fake kester pens and they're not dry at all
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2016-12-17T05:23:39 < ReadErr> lul dongs 
2016-12-17T05:23:45 < ReadErr> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aNQqIe6I/
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2016-12-17T05:30:20 < dongs> lmaoed
2016-12-17T05:30:46 < ReadErr> sp3rgin
2016-12-17T05:38:52 < dongs> hm so
2016-12-17T05:39:23 < dongs> boot0 should be higher when vcc applies OR can I have boot0 go high togther with vcc?
2016-12-17T05:39:50 < dongs> time to re-read an2606
2016-12-17T05:39:59 < dongs> oo, updated dec 2016
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2016-12-17T05:42:06 < dongs> hmm, no mention of timing
2016-12-17T05:42:09 < dongs> or when its sampled
2016-12-17T05:56:14 < dongs> donging
2016-12-17T05:56:41 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2016-12-17T05:56:48 < dongs> orcad pro is nowhere near pro
2016-12-17T05:56:54 < dongs> you might as well buy ZUKEN CADSTAR5000
2016-12-17T05:57:57 < dongs> why did you buy it again
2016-12-17T05:58:05 < dongs> didnt you have some old one you paid $1.8k for already.
2016-12-17T05:58:47 <@englishman> dont you need that for car payments
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2016-12-17T06:06:13 < dongs> but now you can't draw schematics
2016-12-17T06:06:22 < dongs> cuz cuckcad PCB doesn't come wiht schematic editor
2016-12-17T06:06:25 < dongs> and is a separte product
2016-12-17T06:06:35 < dongs> http://www.orcad.com/products/orcad-capture/compare
2016-12-17T06:06:39 < dongs> http://www.orcad.com/products/orcad-pcb-designer/compare
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2016-12-17T06:08:08 < dongs> yeah, the same as 2nd thing i linked
2016-12-17T06:08:57 < ds2> hmm? mine came with schematic entry
2016-12-17T06:09:31 < dongs> OrCAD Capture Market place for Apps,
2016-12-17T06:09:32 < dongs> Models, Symbols and more
2016-12-17T06:09:34 < dongs> marketplace, lol
2016-12-17T06:09:52 < ds2> didn't get that... nor do I want tat
2016-12-17T06:09:54 < ds2> that
2016-12-17T06:10:51 < ds2> R2COM: I don't want that
2016-12-17T06:11:10 < ds2> R2COM: the level I got it at doesn't include that
2016-12-17T06:11:17 < ds2> oh it is standard with 17?
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2016-12-17T06:11:53 < ds2> blah... not upgrading... haven't done enough stuff to justfify the version I have 
2016-12-17T06:12:40 < zyp> dongs, ever used any pcb-mount relays? got any cheap ones to suggest?
2016-12-17T06:15:35 < dongs> whats pcb-mount, you mean SMT?
2016-12-17T06:15:35 < ohsix> boop
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2016-12-17T06:15:45 < dongs> i used regular through-hole shits
2016-12-17T06:15:54 < zyp> smt or pth, doesn't matter
2016-12-17T06:16:01 < zyp> there's other pth parts on the board as well
2016-12-17T06:16:17 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ioGuQ.png <- I started actually designing this shit
2016-12-17T06:16:22 < ohsix> there are cool relays that use a glass bead magnetic thing in them, haven't seen one on something in a long time
2016-12-17T06:16:44 < ohsix> only spst tho
2016-12-17T06:17:12 < dongs> zyp: http://www.songchuan.com/db/pictures/AdminModules/PDT/PDT090410001/201191910523441404.pdf
2016-12-17T06:17:16 < dongs> i used this kinda shit
2016-12-17T06:17:16 < dongs> cloned all over china
2016-12-17T06:17:22 < dongs> kinda slim profile etc thingy
2016-12-17T06:17:32 < ohsix> reed switch was the name
2016-12-17T06:18:12 < ohsix> that makes them reed relays :<
2016-12-17T06:18:17 < zyp> dongs, ah, nice
2016-12-17T06:18:40 < zyp> do they got a 12V coil version?
2016-12-17T06:18:53 < dongs> it doenst have to be THAT brand, that was just first random datasheet that came uip
2016-12-17T06:18:57 < dongs> every clonemaker has those
2016-12-17T06:19:27 < dongs> http://76.my/Malaysia/lk1af-12v-slim-power-relay-handson28-1610-16-handson28@6.jpg
2016-12-17T06:19:31 < dongs> like 12V version
2016-12-17T06:20:00 < dongs> https://www.reichelt.de/bilder/web/xxl_ws/C300/RELAIS-G6D.png
2016-12-17T06:20:04 < dongs> i think its a clone of this ormon thing
2016-12-17T06:20:06 < dongs> or somethign
2016-12-17T06:20:13 < zyp> hmm, actually, that shit might be too tall
2016-12-17T06:20:26 < dongs> ive not seen shorter ones
2016-12-17T06:20:31 < zyp> but eh, I'll look around tomorrow
2016-12-17T06:20:38 < dongs> 15mm tall or someshit
2016-12-17T06:20:43 < zyp> how about digital isolators?
2016-12-17T06:20:46 < dongs> i think if you want shorter you gonna have to make your own ssr
2016-12-17T06:20:52 < dongs> singles?
2016-12-17T06:20:54 < dongs> or dual
2016-12-17T06:21:13 < zyp> I've got like three signals in one direction and five in other direction
2016-12-17T06:21:42 < zyp> SPI and some other shit for the power metering circuit in the corner there
2016-12-17T06:21:55 < zyp> it'll be operating with a different ground from everything else
2016-12-17T06:22:04 < ohsix> digikeys google juice isn't very good
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2016-12-17T06:22:32 < dongs> ILD207T is a cheap standard-ish package dual, TLP185 and clones for singles
2016-12-17T06:22:45 < dongs> i donno if theres a standard >dual package, probably is
2016-12-17T06:23:02 < zyp> oh, I were thinking one of the more fancy isolation buffer things
2016-12-17T06:23:05 < dongs> but those 2 are standard packages that a bunch of shit comes in
2016-12-17T06:23:10 < zyp> not just plain optoisolators
2016-12-17T06:23:11 < dongs> oh, not opto?
2016-12-17T06:23:20 < dongs> uhh... those are not cheap
2016-12-17T06:23:37 < ohsix> expensive even
2016-12-17T06:23:45 < dongs> http://www.analog.com/en/products/interface-isolation/isolation/standard-digital-isolators.html adum(tm)
2016-12-17T06:23:46 < ohsix> linear has some inductive ones
2016-12-17T06:25:00 < ohsix> http://www.digikey.com/products/en/relays/power-relays-over-2-amps/188?FV=ffe000bc%2Ca700009&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=1000011&page=1&stock=0&pbfree=0&rohs=0&quantity=&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=500 lul 20 bux, wtf
2016-12-17T06:26:31 < ohsix> guess that explains it, i thought reed relays were the cheaper types
2016-12-17T06:27:31 < ohsix> http://www.digikey.com/products/en/relays/signal-relays-up-to-2-amps/189?FV=ffe000bd%2Ca700009&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=1000011&page=1&stock=0&pbfree=0&rohs=0&quantity=&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=500 90c for 500ma ones
2016-12-17T06:28:51 < zyp> ohsix, looks nice except useless switching voltage
2016-12-17T06:34:04 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/IncredibleLikableJenny
2016-12-17T06:35:31 < dongs> man fucking weird
2016-12-17T06:35:46 < dongs> 50mhz speed for uart on F1 = failcity, switch to 2mhz, works
2016-12-17T06:36:00 < dongs> are my wires shit?
2016-12-17T06:36:18 < zyp> uh, 50mhz?
2016-12-17T06:36:24 < dongs> the gpio setting thing
2016-12-17T06:36:34 < zyp> oh, haha
2016-12-17T06:36:40 < zyp> thought you meant baudrate
2016-12-17T06:36:45 < dongs> yeah not that high
2016-12-17T06:36:55 < dongs> 460k
2016-12-17T06:37:22 < zyp> how long is the wires?
2016-12-17T06:37:35 < dongs> like 10cm?
2016-12-17T06:37:42 < dongs> just my usual dupont breakout wire shits
2016-12-17T06:38:04 < zyp> weird
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2016-12-17T06:38:16 < zyp> what are you talking to?
2016-12-17T06:38:23 < dongs> im flashing stm32 from stm32
2016-12-17T06:38:44 < upgrdman> this has to feel awkward for the pelican  https://i.imgur.com/qsGDnEE.gifv
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2016-12-17T06:38:51 < zyp> one or multiple?
2016-12-17T06:38:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/l7Sz8t0.jpg
2016-12-17T06:38:53 < dongs> one
2016-12-17T06:39:11 < zyp> weird
2016-12-17T06:39:16 < dongs> it is really fucking weird.
2016-12-17T06:39:28 < zyp> cute flasher
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2016-12-17T06:40:19 < zyp> oh, btw, one more part question
2016-12-17T06:40:22 < ohsix> zyp: yea
2016-12-17T06:40:54 < zyp> some super cheap small i2c eeprom with multiple address options
2016-12-17T06:41:04 < ohsix> zyp: i salvaged a bunchwhen i lived in washington near a good junk shop
2016-12-17T06:41:19 < dongs> 24AA02/04/08/etc in sop8 is pretty much the standard
2016-12-17T06:41:23 < dongs> and you have 3 bits of address to choose
2016-12-17T06:41:38 < zyp> yeah, that's what I figured
2016-12-17T06:41:48 < dongs> and those are everywhere under different v endors
2016-12-17T06:41:54 < dongs> 24LCxx, 24YYXX etc
2016-12-17T06:42:49 < dongs> fuckign fucm fuck fulsdkjfsdlkjsdlkfj
2016-12-17T06:42:57 < dongs> i do not get why this shit so randomly doesnt work
2016-12-17T06:43:12 < dongs> it worked liek 10/10 times, tried it again and its failing 10x in a row
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2016-12-17T06:43:45 < ohsix> thats why random things are gr8
2016-12-17T06:44:01 < ohsix> the grey beards back in the day put error correction in everything
2016-12-17T06:44:09 < ReadErr> https://i.sli.mg/Hys8nc.png training slide 
2016-12-17T06:44:21 < ReadErr> gotta represent everyone!!
2016-12-17T06:46:08 < zyp> what about board to board connectors for a specific distance? I need 18mm between the boards, will be maybe 16 signals in total
2016-12-17T06:46:19 < zyp> plain headers will probably be fine as long as the length is right
2016-12-17T06:46:28 < zyp> I tried looking at digikey, but found jack shit for the length
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2016-12-17T06:47:29 < dongs> just do FPC? heh
2016-12-17T06:48:21 < zyp> yeah, I've actually considered it, will use FPC between middle board and front panel anyway
2016-12-17T06:49:31 < zyp> what FPC connectors are good? interested in both vertical and horizontal kind
2016-12-17T06:50:11 < dongs> not really sure, for those i always directly chinagirl that shit
2016-12-17T06:50:24 < dongs> like 0.5mm pitch <anykindaconnector>
2016-12-17T06:50:54 < dongs> pick some common molex t hing and there'ls gonna be a clone
2016-12-17T06:50:57 < upgrdman> computer science pros: if i want a user to be able to make objects via a GUI, and the different object types of different constructor argument types, is the best (only?) way to have each class provide it's own custom GUI component that creates the object? so each class can have a static method that returns a GUI?
2016-12-17T06:51:13 < upgrdman> iirc this is kinda a bastardization of the "factory" design pattern?
2016-12-17T06:51:14 < zyp> dongs, ah, ok
2016-12-17T06:52:28 < dongs> zyp, where in an2606 it says about uart rx/tx need to be high to make a decision to use it
2016-12-17T06:52:31 < dongs> or am I misremembering shit
2016-12-17T06:52:53 < zyp> that flowchart shit?
2016-12-17T06:53:37 < dongs> yeah it jusy says "received"
2016-12-17T06:53:54 < dongs> i think it actually uses systick to sample rx pin in gpio mode first, only then inits usart
2016-12-17T06:54:06 < zyp> hmm
2016-12-17T06:54:12 < dongs> hmm 75ms to startup bootloader, but I even added manual press enter to go and its still randomly failing
2016-12-17T06:58:43 < dongs> When readout protection Level2 is activated, STM32 does not boot on system memory in any case and Bootloader can't be executed (unless jumping to it from Flash user code, all commands are not accessible except Get, GetID, and GetVersion).
2016-12-17T06:58:52 < dongs> heh so if you force userspace to jump to bl, it still can't be used
2016-12-17T07:05:06 < ColdKeyboard> Can someone take a peak at this config
2016-12-17T07:05:17 < ColdKeyboard> one left side is TX device and on right side is RX device
2016-12-17T07:05:18 < ColdKeyboard> https://www.diffchecker.com/LWSklSkT
2016-12-17T07:05:24 < ColdKeyboard> nRF24L01 on both
2016-12-17T07:11:00 < dongs> k give up. no fucking idea.
2016-12-17T07:11:35 < zyp> dongs, did you remember to set parity shit?
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2016-12-17T07:12:09 < dongs> zyp, flashing/etc fully works only when it works.
2016-12-17T07:12:33 < dongs> i mean, if it manages to get past the initial 7F shit, it will work
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2016-12-17T07:12:40 < zyp> oh, okay
2016-12-17T07:12:47 < dongs> and yeah, i found out 8e1 in ST-land actually means 9e1
2016-12-17T07:12:50 < zyp> are you only sending one 7F?
2016-12-17T07:12:53 < dongs> yeah.
2016-12-17T07:13:11 < dongs> im actually using stm32flash code 1:1 with zero changes
2016-12-17T07:13:17 < zyp> you're not supposed to repeat it until you get a reply?
2016-12-17T07:13:18 < dongs> just implemented serial_stm32 port driver.
2016-12-17T07:13:20 < dongs> no
2016-12-17T07:13:30 < zyp> I thought it needed to learn baudrate and shit
2016-12-17T07:13:37 < dongs> it only needs to receive it once to learn it
2016-12-17T07:13:41 < dongs> it uses systick to measure pulse width
2016-12-17T07:13:46 < dongs> gets baudrate -> inits uart
2016-12-17T07:13:49 < dongs> it only needs to measure it once
2016-12-17T07:15:25 < upgrdman> ohsix, you around?
2016-12-17T07:15:34 < dongs> he was just sperging earlier, im sure he is
2016-12-17T07:16:24 < upgrdman> any comp sci pros awake in here?
2016-12-17T07:16:35 < upgrdman> the fags in ##programming and ##java are asleep
2016-12-17T07:17:05 < upgrdman> kinda but im no god
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2016-12-17T07:31:36 < ohsix> upgrdman: was that gifv from planet earth 2?
2016-12-17T07:31:54 < ohsix> saw clip of pe2 that was cool on 8 out of 10 cats
2016-12-17T07:32:29 < upgrdman> ohsix, dunno, from here  https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/5ir2qa/rescued_pelican_selfie/
2016-12-17T07:33:07 < ohsix> lul they just showed the guy punching the roo too
2016-12-17T07:33:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, do you code much software?
2016-12-17T07:33:48 < ohsix> not much anymore
2016-12-17T07:34:03 < ohsix> sup
2016-12-17T07:34:55 < upgrdman> ohsix, if i want a user to be able to make objects via a GUI, and the different object types of different constructor argument types, is the best (only?) way to have each class provide it's own custom GUI component that creates the object? so each class can have a static method that returns a GUI?
2016-12-17T07:36:49 < ohsix> like have every component be its' own factory?
2016-12-17T07:37:14 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-17T07:37:44 < ohsix> if you do that then the program will have to know about each type in order to create it
2016-12-17T07:37:48 < upgrdman> that telemetry viewer shit i made. trying to expand it, and different charts will have different config options.
2016-12-17T07:38:01 < upgrdman> i know, which is why this feels like a dirty shit way to do it
2016-12-17T07:38:28 < ohsix> if the gui elements are self contained you probably want a generic factory to ask any type from, or enumerate & show a type id for client code
2016-12-17T07:39:04 < ohsix> i don't know of a great way to do any of that, or if such a thing exists
2016-12-17T07:40:29 < ohsix> generally if you have an arity of objects of a certain class, say you can ask them all to draw something and they have x,y coordinates, you'd have an outer object factory thing that can help you find them (enumerate) even if they were actually static
2016-12-17T07:41:04 < ohsix> later you can extend the enumeration to search for plugins or something for new classes'
2016-12-17T07:42:00 < ohsix> i think you'd only do this to keep the programs that use it knowing too much about the classes of objects in the library
2016-12-17T07:42:15 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-17T07:43:18 < ohsix> but if you do that, and the client programs can enumerate them so the user can pick one, you can add new objects without modifying those programs
2016-12-17T07:43:58 < upgrdman> ya i was going to have a function that returns an array of these mini-GUIs
2016-12-17T07:44:12 < zyp> upgrdman, why would you put it in the same class?
2016-12-17T07:44:29 < upgrdman> zyp, put what, the gui for create the object>?
2016-12-17T07:44:36 < ohsix> if you just want the configuration of that object type for a ui or whatever, static is probably ok
2016-12-17T07:44:39 < zyp> yes, that sounds dumb
2016-12-17T07:45:03 < upgrdman> zyp, isnt cohesion good? the code that will create the object should be in the same file as the code of the object, no?
2016-12-17T07:45:11 < zyp> upgrdman, I assume the user needs a way to spawn this shit?
2016-12-17T07:45:25 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-17T07:45:26 < zyp> so the application needs a list of things to be spawned
2016-12-17T07:45:38 < upgrdman> ya i was going to have a function that returns an array of these mini-GUIs
2016-12-17T07:46:12 < upgrdman> but fuck it, whatever. what is a good clean way to do this? that's why im asking. my way feel dirty as fuck
2016-12-17T07:46:25 < zyp> instead of enumerating everything for the application, I'd make a polymorphic factory interface that the application will interact with
2016-12-17T07:47:01 < zyp> so you inherit that for every kind you can spawn and add specific shit you need, and then register that factory with the application
2016-12-17T07:47:16 < zyp> and the factory will be responsible for instancing the class you need
2016-12-17T07:47:38 < ohsix> you can always worry later when you refactor again
2016-12-17T07:48:07 < ohsix> once you write a few of those classes of objects you'll start to smell the badness
2016-12-17T07:48:45 < upgrdman> ohsix, i already smell it :) that's why im crying in here about it
2016-12-17T07:49:02 < ohsix> oic
2016-12-17T07:49:36 < ohsix> you're kind of lucky, this is one of the places object oriented silliness is implied bigly
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2016-12-17T08:03:11 < upgrdman> zyp, how could a class register it's factory if no object has been created from the class? just have the method with a hard coded list of them? (that's what im doing now)
2016-12-17T08:03:29 < upgrdman> s/the method/a method
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2016-12-17T08:59:41 < ohsix> It was commissioned in Washington, D.C. as the "Secret Service Division" of the Department of the Treasury with the mission of suppressing counterfeiting. The legislation creating the agency was on Abraham Lincoln's desk the night he was assassinated.
2016-12-17T09:15:16 < Rob235> damn, I was hoping to get the DE0-Nano-SoC but I didn't realize how low 15k ALMs is
2016-12-17T09:30:19 <@englishman> you have been banned from ##programming
2016-12-17T09:30:36 <@englishman> wtf upgrdman what shit chan is this
2016-12-17T09:31:10 < upgrdman> englishman, ? have i
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2016-12-17T09:51:40 < ohsix> sup
2016-12-17T09:52:00 < ohsix> Rob235: i said alms you backbiter
2016-12-17T09:52:02 < ohsix> what's ALMs?
2016-12-17T09:52:44 < Rob235> i dont know exactly, like logic units or slices or something
2016-12-17T09:52:52 < Rob235> for fpga
2016-12-17T09:53:00 < ohsix> that still sounds like a really useful amount
2016-12-17T09:53:32 < ohsix> lul maybe not for 80bux
2016-12-17T09:53:50 < Rob235> I just saw that an AES encoder block took a quarter of that, I know there are smaller designs but that just seems like a lot to take up
2016-12-17T09:54:21 < Rob235> for $85 you get twice as much
2016-12-17T09:54:52 < Rob235> I guess I'll just design it in the editor and see what I end up needing
2016-12-17T09:56:55 < ohsix> http://www.thehistoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/steampoweredvibrator.jpg
2016-12-17T09:57:11 < ohsix> what do you want to do with it?
2016-12-17T09:59:18 < ohsix> http://cyberneticzoo.com/pseudo-automatons-and-robots/1959-duhab-lawrence-lipton-bill-riola-american/
2016-12-17T09:59:19 < ohsix> haha
2016-12-17T09:59:22 < ohsix> cyberneticzoo is kind of cool
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2016-12-17T10:07:41 < ohsix> Rob235: what's the bus situation on those, or hard arm cores generally; does ip show up on ahb or do you have access to the address decoder or wut
2016-12-17T10:07:53 < ohsix> seems like you could need quite a bit of arm ip just to talk to the cpu core
2016-12-17T10:08:40 < ohsix> jeeze adafruit buys a lot of ads
2016-12-17T10:09:57 < Rob235> not sure, this will be my first time playing with one.  never used a fpga before, let alone one with an embedded a9
2016-12-17T10:10:06 < Rob235> dual core
2016-12-17T10:10:23 < ohsix> oic
2016-12-17T10:10:30 < ohsix> i got a thing with a cyclone III on it the other day
2016-12-17T10:10:48 < ohsix> it was taking up lab space and the dude finally made me take it home huhuhu
2016-12-17T10:12:44 < Rob235> lucky
2016-12-17T10:12:49 < Rob235> bed time, later dood
2016-12-17T10:17:48 < ohsix> o/
2016-12-17T10:18:02 < ohsix> it's old and nobody was using it, dunno what i'll do with it
2016-12-17T10:26:38 < dongs> autism
2016-12-17T10:36:12 < ohsix> the word i was looking for the other day when i was talking about the display on it: electroluminescant
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2016-12-17T10:41:26 < dongs> trying to find a through-hole vreg with enable somewehre in my pile of shit
2016-12-17T10:41:28 < dongs> proving to be a bit hard
2016-12-17T10:43:21 < ohsix> does it count if vcc is the thing you turn on and off
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2016-12-17T10:59:37 < dongs> didnt find. had to negrovise http://i.imgur.com/K0WrUjH.jpg
2016-12-17T11:02:30 < upgrdman> dongs, does your carbon fiber plate fray or anything as it ages?
2016-12-17T11:02:40 < dongs> no
2016-12-17T11:02:44 < dongs> ive had it for a while
2016-12-17T11:02:46 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-17T11:07:36 < dongs> oops
2016-12-17T11:07:38 < dongs> that doesnt quite work
2016-12-17T11:07:44 < dongs> soldered vcc ot gnd
2016-12-17T11:07:45 < dongs> lol
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2016-12-17T11:09:56 < Kliment> https://i.imgur.com/soPoqRE.jpg wtf
2016-12-17T11:10:42 < Kliment> That's supposed to switch a FET that needs higher gate voltage than is available
2016-12-17T11:11:05 < upgrdman> charge pump effect?
2016-12-17T11:11:26 < upgrdman> use gate parasitic cap as one of the caps
2016-12-17T11:11:31 < Kliment> AC coupling
2016-12-17T11:11:54 < Kliment> The drive signal rides on top of a DC that is just below threshold
2016-12-17T11:12:03 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-17T11:12:06 < upgrdman> where the wtf part of it?
2016-12-17T11:12:28 < Kliment> I understand it, but it horrifies me on a visceral level
2016-12-17T11:14:27 < Thorn> threshold voltage varies a lot. what if some of the fets will never fully turn off
2016-12-17T11:16:32 < Kliment> Yes, and also there's the drift when entirely on/off
2016-12-17T11:17:17 < Kliment> A resistor from gate to gnd might work
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2016-12-17T12:14:39 < dongs> ok plot thickens
2016-12-17T12:14:47 < dongs> with nonworking flasher shit
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2016-12-17T12:15:44 < ReadErr> lhttps://www.amazon.com/Powerful-Rechargeable-Electric-Auto-Vacuum/dp/B01N2NHBN2/
2016-12-17T12:16:38 < dongs> keep your pp4l shit on efnet
2016-12-17T12:37:33 < Steffanx> lolyou dongs
2016-12-17T12:37:45 < Steffanx> but yeah, agreed.
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2016-12-17T13:05:16 < Tectu> Hi folks
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2016-12-17T13:15:37 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/esden/1bitsy-and-black-magic-probe-demystifying-arm-prog lol esden 
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2016-12-17T13:16:44 < Steffanx> old.
2016-12-17T13:17:43 < Tectu> dongs, englishman found a domain for you that is available for registration:   jewsdid.wtc
2016-12-17T13:19:00 < dongs> holy shit i think i fixed it
2016-12-17T13:20:19 < dongs> nope.
2016-12-17T13:20:43 < dongs> back to failing
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2016-12-17T13:32:37 < dongs> haha, great fucking logic
2016-12-17T13:32:47 < dongs> Much more: Because the 1Bitsy is based on the common STM32F415 there are already a large amount of products and hacker projects based on the STM32 CPU family (Drones: CX-10, DJI Phantom, Lisa/MX, Lisa/S, Toys: BB-8 Droid,
2016-12-17T13:33:02 < dongs> yeah ok
2016-12-17T13:46:42 < Steffanx> No, "Approved by Dongs" stamp.. damn.
2016-12-17T13:48:59 < Thorn> I've got 2 $25 seeed coupons and 2 weeks to use them. what do
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2016-12-17T13:50:51 < BrainDamage> buy sma connectors
2016-12-17T13:52:11 < Thorn> male or female
2016-12-17T13:52:41 < BrainDamage> female, board mount, use them for everything, from power lines to gpio
2016-12-17T13:52:51 < BrainDamage> or sell them to kakimir for a premium
2016-12-17T14:08:31 < dekar> I wonder if the cheaper 1Bitsy can be flashed with the BMP FW, it even already has the Cortex JTAG connector :)
2016-12-17T14:09:57 < qyx> I cannot find any serious serial terminal emulator for android
2016-12-17T14:10:03 < qyx> anyone used anything decent?
2016-12-17T14:10:18 < qyx> something like connectbot
2016-12-17T14:11:53 < dongs> why  the fuck would you even need serial terminal on faggotdroid
2016-12-17T14:12:34 < qyx> for the same reason as on the pc
2016-12-17T14:12:51 < qyx> to access/debug devices onsite
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2016-12-17T14:13:46 < dongs> laptops exist
2016-12-17T14:13:54 < dongs> for a reason
2016-12-17T14:17:14 < BrainDamage> wouldn't you have permission problems to access the device files? or do you have root?
2016-12-17T14:18:25 < Steffanx> get busybox and use microcom? :)
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2016-12-17T14:48:57 < dongs> 3 channel led driver with external fet/rsense per  channel
2016-12-17T14:49:18 < dongs> exists? preferably NOT LT3496 (would rather use nfets)
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2016-12-17T14:51:46 < Thorn> make current sources out of depletion mode mosfets
2016-12-17T14:52:40 < dongs> heh
2016-12-17T14:52:45 < dongs> you mean current sinks?
2016-12-17T14:54:16 < Thorn> like fig 11 in http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-Application_Note_Applications_for_Depletion_MOSFETs-AN-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=5546d4624cb7f111014cd63d1a197d94
2016-12-17T14:56:02 < dongs> linear, bro
2016-12-17T14:56:06 < dongs> i need like 2A/channel
2016-12-17T14:56:13 < dongs> thats highside driver
2016-12-17T14:56:17 < dongs> i only mentioned LTC because dumb
2016-12-17T14:56:32 < dongs> i want common anode, and sink current drivers that have external fet/rssense
2016-12-17T14:56:49 < dongs> there are chink ICs that are single channel like this, i.e. http://www.taiwansemi.com/products/datasheet/TS19450_B15.pdf
2016-12-17T14:57:29 < dongs> if that shit is cheap might just go for that
2016-12-17T14:57:36 < dongs> but would rather have an american high quality solution
2016-12-17T15:00:40 < Thorn> so you need a switch mode CC driver
2016-12-17T15:00:53 < karlp> 8v-450v internal reg!
2016-12-17T15:00:56 < karlp> that's rad
2016-12-17T15:01:00 < dongs> yeah but those are only single channel usually
2016-12-17T15:01:11 < karlp> The
2016-12-17T15:01:12 < karlp> TS19450 requires only free external components
2016-12-17T15:01:13 < dongs> karlp: ha, yeah, this shit is a single-chip thing for those AC LED bulbs or whatever
2016-12-17T15:01:15 < karlp> hoho
2016-12-17T15:01:20 < dongs> free?
2016-12-17T15:01:28 < karlp> that's what the datasheet you linked sayd :)
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2016-12-17T15:05:40 < Laurenceb_> http://sli.mg/JzbpZN
2016-12-17T15:05:46 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/0HVVA0t.png
2016-12-17T15:07:40 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/GWemtn.png
2016-12-17T15:07:44 < Laurenceb_> k enough trollin
2016-12-17T15:08:04 < Kliment> dongs: I know some laser drivers with those specs
2016-12-17T15:08:19 < karlp> what's the point of the hospital collage?
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2016-12-17T15:08:44 < dongs> karlp: i think the dates
2016-12-17T15:08:44 < Laurenceb_> check the dates
2016-12-17T15:08:49 < dongs> it keeps getting destroyed
2016-12-17T15:09:30 < Laurenceb_> looks like the Obama family did 4chan
2016-12-17T15:11:34 < dongs> ok how the fuck do i disable the dumb fucking google logo in the new "GBOARD" shit they fucked me with
2016-12-17T15:11:52 < dongs> fuck google, all they fuckign do is fucking break shit and don't care about actual users
2016-12-17T15:16:18 < Laurenceb_> a redditor is formed https://media.8ch.net/file_store/7fc222710c6fc3ec5ae1d1174e0c71fe3a898baa2bb6e57bb507053232458d83.jpg
2016-12-17T15:19:03 < dongs> higher quality, funnier content please.
2016-12-17T15:19:07 < dongs> or STM32 stuff.
2016-12-17T15:23:55 < Laurenceb_> Star Citizen looks like some funny dramaz
2016-12-17T15:24:11 < Laurenceb_> all the fans are just starting to rage after investing $140M for nothing
2016-12-17T15:25:18 < karlp> zyp: silabs makes a cheaper version of the adum isolator parts too.
2016-12-17T15:26:54 < dongs> fuck yes
2016-12-17T15:26:57 < dongs> disabled the G shit
2016-12-17T15:27:05 < dongs> it was hiding under 'search' prefs
2016-12-17T15:27:08 < dongs> in keyboard
2016-12-17T15:27:24 < zyp> karlp, ok
2016-12-17T15:27:44 < dongs> karlp: but is it patented iCoupler technology?
2016-12-17T15:30:53 < Laurenceb_> lul "i"
2016-12-17T15:32:54 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/94cb0ac52fde1320a1d758602902e2cddb8bdf58d166cf83adfb906a128f99c4.webm/shekel%20citizen2.webm
2016-12-17T15:37:07 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/7rm2cR27.html
2016-12-17T15:37:13 < dongs> fuck i have no idea
2016-12-17T15:37:28 < dongs> just randomly returns wrong trash
2016-12-17T15:37:36 < dongs> what the fucking shit.
2016-12-17T15:42:34 < Thorn> is speed correct
2016-12-17T15:42:42 < dongs> yea man
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2016-12-17T15:45:37 < dongs> ST is supposed to be autobaudding or whatever
2016-12-17T15:45:54 < dongs> if I don't care about DMA transfer complete, i dont need to interrupt for it right?
2016-12-17T15:46:14 < zyp> karlp, any suggestions if I need five signals in one direction and three in the other?
2016-12-17T15:51:36 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/9ACqEf70.html here's my serial_stm32 from stm32flasher
2016-12-17T15:51:52 < dongs> i cant think of any reason why the fuck it wouldnt work
2016-12-17T15:51:57 < dongs> or work "random"
2016-12-17T15:52:23 < dongs> serial_stm32_read/_write are about the only interesting bits
2016-12-17T15:52:39 < zyp> have you looked at the bus with a scope/LA?
2016-12-17T15:52:44 < dongs> yteah man
2016-12-17T15:52:46 < dongs> all fuckign day today
2016-12-17T15:53:12 < zyp> «7F reply was F9» this shit in particular
2016-12-17T15:53:19 < dongs> yeah.
2016-12-17T15:53:21 < zyp> how does that F9 look on the bus?
2016-12-17T15:53:49 < zyp> does it actually look like an F9, or is it a misinterpreted something else?
2016-12-17T15:54:09 < dongs> ok lets see
2016-12-17T15:54:21 < zyp> because it doesn't make sense that the bootloader would send anything but what it should
2016-12-17T15:54:25 < dongs> Interface serial_stm32: 460800 8E1
2016-12-17T15:54:25 < dongs> Failed to init device (7F reply was F0).
2016-12-17T15:55:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ec0l6wX.png
2016-12-17T15:55:09 < zyp> my guess is that baudrate detection is somehow failing, which causes bootloader to send at the wrong rate
2016-12-17T15:55:50 < zyp> what's the correct reply?
2016-12-17T15:56:06 < dongs> 79
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2016-12-17T15:56:09 < dongs> 0x
2016-12-17T15:56:15 < Thorn> do you get framing errors?
2016-12-17T15:56:45 < dongs> that reply looks like 79 to me
2016-12-17T15:56:46 < zyp> hmm, uart is lsb first?
2016-12-17T15:57:02 < dongs> no
2016-12-17T15:57:09 < zyp> yeah, looks like 79 to me too
2016-12-17T15:57:23 < dongs> so why the nigger dicks is ST not reading it?
2016-12-17T15:57:24 < zyp> also looks like the bit width is a bit narrower for the reply
2016-12-17T15:58:10 < zyp> you're getting F0, F9, B9 instead of 79
2016-12-17T15:58:29 < zyp> they have a fairly similar shape, so you're getting messed up by a baudrate offset
2016-12-17T15:58:48 < zyp> I suggest trying other baudrates
2016-12-17T15:59:01 < dongs> i did
2016-12-17T15:59:05 < dongs> i went everythign from 38500 to 460800
2016-12-17T15:59:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ZwDbAcj.png
2016-12-17T15:59:14 < dongs> er 38400
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2016-12-17T15:59:24 < zyp> anyway, I'm heading out, can look more when I'm back
2016-12-17T15:59:36 < zyp> I suggest checking pulse shape with scope
2016-12-17T15:59:39 < Thorn> dongs: baud rate can be non-standard
2016-12-17T15:59:49 < dongs> thorn, its STM32 talking to STM32 bootloader
2016-12-17T15:59:54 < dongs> it onyl needs to receive ONE 7F
2016-12-17T15:59:58 < dongs> to determine bit width
2016-12-17T16:00:05 < dongs> after which it configures target STM usart wiht that rate
2016-12-17T16:00:07 < dongs> and starts replying
2016-12-17T16:00:12 < Steffanx> Isn't that like > 6.5% error?
2016-12-17T16:00:26 < Steffanx> i mean, a different of 6.5%
2016-12-17T16:00:31 < Steffanx> *difference.
2016-12-17T16:00:32 < dongs> the initial receive is NOT done by usart
2016-12-17T16:00:38 < dongs> it just uses pulse width difference to calculate it
2016-12-17T16:00:53 < dongs> anyway, if the problem was baudrate, it would work at like 9600 baud
2016-12-17T16:00:56 < dongs> or 38400 at least
2016-12-17T16:01:22 < Thorn> scope screenshot pls
2016-12-17T16:02:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/f2j3XgI.png heres 9600
2016-12-17T16:02:23 < dongs> its not baudrate error.
2016-12-17T16:04:14 < dongs> Interface serial_stm32: 9600 8E1
2016-12-17T16:04:14 < dongs> Failed to init device (7F reply was E2).
2016-12-17T16:04:17 < dongs> lol.
2016-12-17T16:04:49 < Thorn> oscilloscope
2016-12-17T16:04:52 < Thorn> do you have it
2016-12-17T16:05:01 < dongs> yes, ive looked at this shit on scope for hours too
2016-12-17T16:05:13 < dongs> why do you think its gonna look any differnet from LA
2016-12-17T16:05:30 < dongs> but ok indulging you wiht a screenshot in a asec
2016-12-17T16:06:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/bVH7Aga.png
2016-12-17T16:07:25 < dongs> sorry, better scrolled version
2016-12-17T16:07:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/csMJU54.png
2016-12-17T16:07:34 < dongs> shows the 79 reply.
2016-12-17T16:08:10 < Thorn> do you have good ground connection between them
2016-12-17T16:08:33 < Thorn> why is idle level rising on channel 2
2016-12-17T16:08:45 < dongs> just some jumper wires into a gang ground thingy
2016-12-17T16:08:46 < dongs> not sure
2016-12-17T16:08:54 < Thorn> make sure
2016-12-17T16:08:58 < Thorn> I have this shit
2016-12-17T16:09:03 < Thorn> *have had
2016-12-17T16:09:18 < Thorn> with my black magic clones
2016-12-17T16:10:04 < dongs> yeah but what am i looking for
2016-12-17T16:10:29 < dongs> er
2016-12-17T16:10:30 < dongs> thorn
2016-12-17T16:10:31 < dongs> thats not ground level
2016-12-17T16:10:32 < dongs> thats like
2016-12-17T16:10:39 < dongs> high level?
2016-12-17T16:10:44 < Thorn> I know
2016-12-17T16:10:50 < karlp> zyp: never looked at that many signals, think it's normally various combinations of up to 4 in diff dirs, could look more on monday
2016-12-17T16:11:32 < Thorn> it's still very weird
2016-12-17T16:11:34 < Thorn> is the power rail stable btw?
2016-12-17T16:11:47 < karlp> zyp: pretty sur e you just mix and match the isolators to get as many as you need in each direction :)
2016-12-17T16:11:50 < Thorn> something caused that rise
2016-12-17T16:11:54 < karlp> they have standard ones for spi
2016-12-17T16:13:19 < dongs> Thorn: power rail http://i.imgur.com/K0WrUjH.jpg
2016-12-17T16:13:44 < karlp> dongs: is the target board actually on a crystal that's supported? 
2016-12-17T16:13:49 < dongs> its HSI
2016-12-17T16:14:16 < Thorn> is there a lab psu that can replace that innovation
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2016-12-17T16:15:06 < dongs> well i just took it out
2016-12-17T16:15:07 < dongs> no difference
2016-12-17T16:15:31 < Thorn> are all grounds tied together
2016-12-17T16:16:07 < Thorn> preferably at a single point
2016-12-17T16:16:14 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-17T16:16:36 < dongs> i think that voltage rise is bootloader powering up USARTx on the target
2016-12-17T16:16:39 < dongs> after it gets the baudrate
2016-12-17T16:18:54 < dongs> does reading USART->DR "clear" its value?
2016-12-17T16:18:56 < dongs> or can i read it again
2016-12-17T16:19:58 < Thorn> I think reading it again could create a race condition
2016-12-17T16:20:38 < dongs> < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/9ACqEf70.html here's my serial_stm32 from stm32flasher
2016-12-17T16:20:46 < dongs> i don't see anything i could be doing wrong in _read/_write
2016-12-17T16:20:57 < dongs> i mean considering it SOMETIMES works, that code should be fine
2016-12-17T16:23:06 < dongs> at the point where im thikning of attaching debugger to target
2016-12-17T16:23:09 < dongs> and stepping through bootloader
2016-12-17T16:23:10 < dongs> in asm
2016-12-17T16:23:11 < dongs> lol.
2016-12-17T16:23:28 < dongs> Thorn: that rise in VCC
2016-12-17T16:23:39 < dongs> is probably STM switching internal fabric from GPIO to USART
2016-12-17T16:23:49 < dongs> when it detects last bit and switches over
2016-12-17T16:24:25 < dongs> probably goes through a different fet or wahtever, or maybe switching from IPU to being driven by usart hardware
2016-12-17T16:25:31 < Thorn> Vdd does not change at that point?
2016-12-17T16:25:43 < dongs> well, lets see
2016-12-17T16:26:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/EnfMVdY.png
2016-12-17T16:26:50 < dongs> thats vdd.
2016-12-17T16:26:51 < dongs> so no.
2016-12-17T16:27:20 < dongs> that trace gets further
2016-12-17T16:27:35 < dongs> it runs like one or two commands and gets garbage instead of ACK
2016-12-17T16:32:07 < Thorn> where is the probe on that tx line? on the source pin or destination pin?
2016-12-17T16:32:15 < dongs> about halfway
2016-12-17T16:32:34 < Thorn> well maybe there is a bad connection along the way (at the end)
2016-12-17T16:33:22 < dongs> no
2016-12-17T16:35:13 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Gp8s0o99.html
2016-12-17T16:35:16 < dongs> wajt the fuck is this
2016-12-17T16:36:33 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/sJPJHa63.html
2016-12-17T16:36:47 < dongs> Send dummy byte in order to generate clock ???
2016-12-17T16:48:26 < dongs> worked once..
2016-12-17T16:48:38 < dongs> out of like 50 tries
2016-12-17T16:48:39 < dongs> what the fuck
2016-12-17T16:50:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/bBj03kK.png "worked" capture
2016-12-17T17:03:35 < dongs> now its working more or less successding...
2016-12-17T17:03:37 < dongs> no idea
2016-12-17T17:03:59 < dongs> even at 460800 baud..
2016-12-17T17:04:01 < dongs> hate random shit like this
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2016-12-17T17:11:02 < zyp> AN3155 specs usart bootloader proto, that's where the baudrate detect thing is documented
2016-12-17T17:11:10 < zyp> «The highest tested baud rate (BHigh) is 115 200.»
2016-12-17T17:11:24 < dongs> doesnt matter, it doesnt work even at 9600
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2016-12-17T17:12:26 < zyp> hmm, wait
2016-12-17T17:16:32 < dongs> wat?
2016-12-17T17:16:41 < zyp> no, just thinking
2016-12-17T17:16:56 < zyp> http://i.imgur.com/f2j3XgI.png <- got this scrolled better?
2016-12-17T17:17:04 < zyp> I wanna see whole reply
2016-12-17T17:17:32 < dongs> thats all there is
2016-12-17T17:17:36 < dongs> i used transitional capture
2016-12-17T17:17:42 < dongs> and tehre was no other reply, its just high after that
2016-12-17T17:17:45 < dongs> (no more transition
2016-12-17T17:18:44 < zyp> uh, that capture only shows start bit and seven first data bits
2016-12-17T17:18:53 < zyp> last data bit, parity and stop bit is missing
2016-12-17T17:19:50 < zyp> but eh, doesn't matter, I assume the 400us timing there is correct
2016-12-17T17:19:58 < zyp> which means it's entirely correct
2016-12-17T17:20:13 < Rob235> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/tiny-engine-made-of-paper?utm_source=mbfbads&utm_campaign=engagersLAL1
2016-12-17T17:20:26 < dongs> utm_source=mbfbads&utm_campaign=engagersLAL1
2016-12-17T17:20:31 < dongs> you fucking facebook-reading faggot
2016-12-17T17:20:38 < zyp> dongs, hey, dumb suggestion
2016-12-17T17:20:40 < dongs> zyp, ya
2016-12-17T17:20:49 < zyp> check the soldering of the rx pin on the flasher chip side
2016-12-17T17:21:00 < dongs> yeah it looks fine
2016-12-17T17:21:02 < dongs> i have liek 3 boards
2016-12-17T17:21:04 < dongs> they all do same random shit
2016-12-17T17:21:04 < zyp> maybe it's not soldered properly and only coupling capacitively
2016-12-17T17:21:08 < dongs> nope
2016-12-17T17:21:13 < zyp> hmm, idk then
2016-12-17T17:21:17 < dongs> they're all repeatedly "random"
2016-12-17T17:21:18 < dongs> lol.
2016-12-17T17:21:54 < zyp> anyway, traces suggest the bootloader is replying correctly at a reasonable baudrate
2016-12-17T17:22:01 < dongs> yeah.
2016-12-17T17:22:15 < zyp> which means that the problem is somewhere on the receiving side
2016-12-17T17:22:25 < dongs> and it has been working lately
2016-12-17T17:22:33 < dongs> but i guess as soon as I powercycle it, it will start fucking up again
2016-12-17T17:22:44 < zyp> i.e. after wherever you got that scope output from
2016-12-17T17:23:30 < dongs> thats just on jumper wires betweren 2 boards
2016-12-17T17:23:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0HfX8EH.png
2016-12-17T17:23:37 < dongs> here's a failscope
2016-12-17T17:23:43 < dongs> THAT one r eplies wrong baudrate, once
2016-12-17T17:23:56 < dongs> then i try it again
2016-12-17T17:24:06 < zyp> haha, wtf
2016-12-17T17:24:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/NkvbDPF.png
2016-12-17T17:24:15 < dongs> and it works
2016-12-17T17:24:23 < dongs> and this one actually succeeds to work
2016-12-17T17:24:38 < dongs> i donno wat i cahnged, but this seems to be the pattern (i changed nothing)
2016-12-17T17:24:51 < dongs> unplug -> fail once -> work ok after, .. sometimes fail
2016-12-17T17:25:47 < dongs> the jump in RX in both pics is I guess during the pin is in gpio, floating / ipu mode
2016-12-17T17:28:48 < dongs> maybe cuz its 21C in teh fucking room
2016-12-17T17:32:37 < dongs> hmpf
2016-12-17T17:32:42 < dongs> fixed the initial fail
2016-12-17T17:32:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0HfX8EH.png < this one
2016-12-17T17:32:57 < dongs> i was opening port after pressing power on
2016-12-17T17:33:03 < dongs> see that TX going high from USART enabling?
2016-12-17T17:33:13 < dongs> its counting the space between that and the next fall
2016-12-17T17:33:22 < zyp> haha
2016-12-17T17:33:28 < dongs> as bit timing
2016-12-17T17:33:41 < dongs> hm
2016-12-17T17:33:43 < dongs> now stuff is working
2016-12-17T17:33:46 < dongs> but i dont know why.
2016-12-17T17:33:57 < dongs> there, failed again
2016-12-17T17:34:30 < dongs> of course i wasnt scoping it
2016-12-17T17:34:31 < dongs> fuck.
2016-12-17T17:34:42 < dongs> why the fuck is tehre no "auto-repeat" single step mode
2016-12-17T17:35:06 < dongs> like sample and hold, until next trigger comes in
2016-12-17T17:35:17 < zyp> i.e. normal?
2016-12-17T17:35:35 < dongs> normal doesnt hold
2016-12-17T17:35:41 < dongs> once it triggers it goes away
2016-12-17T17:36:05 < zyp> isn't that what you just said?
2016-12-17T17:36:16 < zyp> trigger, sample and hold, until next trigger
2016-12-17T17:36:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/waStu5T.png this one just failed
2016-12-17T17:36:41 < dongs> for no fucking reason
2016-12-17T17:36:49 < dongs> one after it didnt
2016-12-17T17:37:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PxpgsjU.png
2016-12-17T17:37:36 < dongs> if you A/B the shit the difference isnt evne that much
2016-12-17T17:37:49 < zyp> maybe the receiving uart is getting confused by the noise on the rx line while it's floating
2016-12-17T17:37:55 < zyp> try enabling pullup
2016-12-17T17:37:59 < dongs> where?
2016-12-17T17:38:03 < zyp> on rx
2016-12-17T17:38:03 < dongs> the 1st bit?
2016-12-17T17:38:21 < dongs> rx pin is already IPU on F1
2016-12-17T17:38:24 < dongs> when you configure it
2016-12-17T17:38:42 < zyp> how so?
2016-12-17T17:38:55 < dongs>  < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/9ACqEf70.html here's my serial_stm32 from stm32flasher
2016-12-17T17:39:02 < zyp> oh, ok
2016-12-17T17:39:06 < dongs> line 62
2016-12-17T17:39:31 < zyp> comment says input floating though :p
2016-12-17T17:39:36 < dongs> well yes
2016-12-17T17:39:39 < dongs> thats how you configure usart on f1
2016-12-17T17:39:42 < dongs> not as AF_PP
2016-12-17T17:39:46 < dongs> i mean, usart_rx
2016-12-17T17:40:31 < dongs> that comment is even directly copypasted from stdperiuph examples
2016-12-17T17:40:44 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Qs7RnR67.html
2016-12-17T17:40:47 < zyp> hmm
2016-12-17T17:41:00 < dongs> oh, they use input floating
2016-12-17T17:41:05 < dongs> i changed to ipu while fucking around i guess
2016-12-17T17:41:49 < dongs> heh it looks much more awful
2016-12-17T17:42:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/NfwDLF3.png
2016-12-17T17:42:59 < zyp> what about IPD?
2016-12-17T17:43:25 < dongs> slightly less ugly, still works
2016-12-17T17:44:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/KT0Fb53.png
2016-12-17T17:44:15 < zyp> so the pullup is not very strong and you've got a bunch of crosstalk from tx to rx
2016-12-17T17:44:35 < zyp> oh, haha
2016-12-17T17:44:43 < zyp> the middle level would be other end enabling pullup
2016-12-17T17:44:46 < zyp> before enabling AF
2016-12-17T17:44:49 < zyp> I guess
2016-12-17T17:45:16 < dongs> i dont think it enables pullup, i wont kno what mode the shit is in unless I go waste time stepping through the target bootloader
2016-12-17T17:45:22 < dongs> really ocnsidering to do this tho
2016-12-17T17:45:33 < zyp> hehe
2016-12-17T17:46:28 < zyp> if noise/crosstalk is the reason, a stronger external pullup might help
2016-12-17T17:46:35 < dongs> i dont have anyt pullups at all
2016-12-17T17:46:43 < dongs> and this is just board -> jig with jumper wires
2016-12-17T17:46:57 < zyp> or just keeping the rx side disabled until you know bootloader has started driving the line
2016-12-17T17:47:07 < zyp> yes, but stronger than internal I mean
2016-12-17T17:47:11 < dongs> on the uart?
2016-12-17T17:47:19 < dongs> why does that matter t ho
2016-12-17T17:47:20 < zyp> on rx yes
2016-12-17T17:47:34 < dongs> is my RECEIVE side getting a dummy byte of trash
2016-12-17T17:47:41 < dongs> because of crosstalk from TX?
2016-12-17T17:48:34 < zyp> maybe not dummy, might be caught as invalid and discarded, but still messing up finding the start of the next byte
2016-12-17T17:49:05 < dongs> hmm id have to hack in a special thing
2016-12-17T17:49:11 < dongs> i think im gonna put that stuff into port_flush() or something
2016-12-17T17:49:14 < dongs> just as a test
2016-12-17T17:49:17 < zyp> sounds weird though, but I don't have any better ideas
2016-12-17T17:49:21 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-17T17:49:27 < dongs> well weirdly, its been more or less conssitently working
2016-12-17T17:49:31 < dongs> maybe fails 1/20 times or so
2016-12-17T17:49:43 < dongs> whereas before, it'd fail 19/20 times
2016-12-17T17:49:49 < dongs> the onyl difference is room temperature.
2016-12-17T17:50:43 <@englishman> is there no xtal at all on target?
2016-12-17T17:51:01 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-17T17:51:09 < dongs> but it works fine without it,, theres nothign timing critical
2016-12-17T17:51:18 < Thorn> have you measured resistance (or complex imppedance with an rlc meter lol) between tx and rx
2016-12-17T17:51:30 <@englishman> can you get board to 100c with preheater and try it?
2016-12-17T17:52:03 <@englishman> doesn't bootloader always try to init xtal, tho
2016-12-17T17:52:18 < Thorn> it looks like an intermittent solder joint btw
2016-12-17T17:52:36 < zyp> I already suggested that
2016-12-17T17:53:02 <@englishman> are probes attached at target or flasher
2016-12-17T17:53:34 < Thorn> I also suggested scoping at the receiving side (right at the pin)
2016-12-17T17:53:38 <@englishman> I'd say UART is pretty 'timing critical'
2016-12-17T17:53:41 < Kliment> BL tries to init xtal but will always fail
2016-12-17T17:53:42 < Thorn> englishman: "halfway"
2016-12-17T17:53:45 <@englishman> ah
2016-12-17T17:54:03 < Kliment> and UART timing errors are not bad at low baudrates with the HSI
2016-12-17T17:55:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1Kcoxtl.jpg
2016-12-17T17:55:58 < dongs> its a mess but we're talkin like 9600 baud serial here
2016-12-17T17:56:05 < dongs> that shit ought to work over acoustic coupler
2016-12-17T17:56:31 < dongs> those clips go to rx/tx
2016-12-17T17:56:38 < dongs> which gets split between scope and LA
2016-12-17T17:57:37 <@englishman> maybe you are scoping some completely different signal with that setup, lol
2016-12-17T17:57:53 < dongs> nah theres nothing else
2016-12-17T17:58:15 < Thorn> maybe you're scoping nothing
2016-12-17T17:58:37 < Thorn> that has an intermittent short to another nothing
2016-12-17T17:58:40 < dongs> donno now i cant get it to fail
2016-12-17T17:58:53 < dongs> englishman: tried heating up, same thing
2016-12-17T17:59:00 < dongs> failed a couple times at random
2016-12-17T17:59:22 <@englishman> and in freezer?
2016-12-17T17:59:37 < dongs> my room could pass as a freezer
2016-12-17T17:59:45 <@englishman> @21c?
2016-12-17T18:01:07 < Laurenceb_> can anyone suggest a better SOT-223 vreg with EN line that MC33375 ?
2016-12-17T18:01:14 < dongs> um
2016-12-17T18:01:16 < dongs> LM1117?
2016-12-17T18:01:16 < Laurenceb_> the transient response is dreadful
2016-12-17T18:01:23 < Laurenceb_> that doesnt have EN line
2016-12-17T18:01:25 < dongs> oh, EN line
2016-12-17T18:01:32 < dongs> so SOT223-5 or whaever
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2016-12-17T18:05:16 < Laurenceb_> nah I need to run 200mA at 3.3v from 7v
2016-12-17T18:05:30 < Laurenceb_> of sot_2_23-5
2016-12-17T18:05:31 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-12-17T18:05:41 < Laurenceb_> sot23 would poss overheat
2016-12-17T18:05:53 < dongs> sot223-5 is a thing
2016-12-17T18:05:59 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-12-17T18:06:14 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/reg104.pdf
2016-12-17T18:06:27 < dongs> hm no eanble wat
2016-12-17T18:07:43 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/lm117qml-sp
2016-12-17T18:08:07 < dongs> why cant sample
2016-12-17T18:08:40 < Laurenceb_> lol that package
2016-12-17T18:08:47 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/lp3961
2016-12-17T18:08:49 < dongs> there you go
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2016-12-17T18:13:32 < dongs> fuck, turning evertyhing off and going to sleep
2016-12-17T18:14:28 < Thorn> if there is so much coupling from rx to tx why is there no coupling from tx to rx? http://i.imgur.com/0HfX8EH.png
2016-12-17T18:14:37 < Thorn> different drive strength?
2016-12-17T18:15:03 < Thorn> +1 for a lousy connection
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2016-12-17T19:06:25 <@englishman> dongs how can you do such brilliant shit so fast on one day. and spend 4 days debugging 9600b serial the next
2016-12-17T19:09:34 < zyp> haha
2016-12-17T19:09:36 < zyp> well put
2016-12-17T19:23:24 < Steffanx> He's trying to fix himself, that takes time englishman.
2016-12-17T19:24:39 < Steffanx> => pebkac
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2016-12-17T19:45:20 <@englishman> Steffanx: i registered pebkac.pro yesterday
2016-12-17T19:45:23 <@englishman> what should i do with it
2016-12-17T19:45:28 <@englishman> also: lildongs ruined breakfast
2016-12-17T19:45:31 <@englishman> video uploading
2016-12-17T19:49:38 <@englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoHDnY6gyhg
2016-12-17T19:51:04 < PaulFertser> zyp: offtopic here but if you do not mind answering, how's snow and ice being dealt with in Norway on motorways and pedestrian ways?
2016-12-17T19:52:17 < PaulFertser> I can share the information about moscow if anyone's interested. 
2016-12-17T19:52:32 <@englishman> hmm, just curious how it works in other countries?
2016-12-17T19:52:36 <@englishman> or specifically norway
2016-12-17T19:53:08 <@englishman> we've already had about 1m of snow removed
2016-12-17T19:53:54 <@englishman> id like to know how it works in moscow
2016-12-17T19:55:06 < qyx> no need to remove anything here yet :S
2016-12-17T19:55:29 <@englishman> where's that?
2016-12-17T19:55:43 < PaulFertser> In moscow most of the time it's like this: all motorways are cleaned with tractors as much as possible and a generous amount of salt and special chemicals is used so the roads are mostly free of ice and snow but have plenty of that nasty salty water that damages everything it touches.
2016-12-17T19:55:44 < zyp> PaulFertser, snow's removed with snow plows or snow blowers, salt or sand might be applied to icy roads and walkways
2016-12-17T19:56:02 < zyp> with some local variation
2016-12-17T19:56:34 < PaulFertser> Same about most of the roads inside the city.
2016-12-17T19:57:39 < qyx> snow plows here too, salt in towns and motorways, sand is used usually when the road passes national parks or similar areas
2016-12-17T19:57:45 < qyx> englishman: .sk
2016-12-17T19:59:12 < zyp> they actually made a tv show about snow removal in norway a couple of years ago
2016-12-17T19:59:13 < zyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb0OUdCccSM
2016-12-17T19:59:20 < qyx> every winter the servicemen get surprised by the snow
2016-12-17T19:59:24 < zyp> haven't watched it though, but since you're asking :p
2016-12-17T19:59:41 < PaulFertser> Footpathes are mostly cleaned with tractors or manually till nothing but ice is left. Then it's either left as is (slippery as fuck!) or some some salt is spread in uncontrolled quantities. Rarely sand is used instead.
2016-12-17T19:59:52 < qyx> I used to watch those 8-hour train cabin videos
2016-12-17T20:00:08 < qyx> from norway
2016-12-17T20:00:19 < zyp> haha
2016-12-17T20:00:24 < PaulFertser> qyx: yeah, every year snow is a big surprise for moscow services!
2016-12-17T20:00:25 <@englishman> qyx: cool, tatras are on the bucket list
2016-12-17T20:00:48 < PaulFertser> zyp: is there practice to pack snow instead of cleaning it?
2016-12-17T20:00:56 <@englishman> PaulFertser: thisis how its done here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWzbEn-aXMQ
2016-12-17T20:01:03 < zyp> PaulFertser, in what sense?
2016-12-17T20:01:24 < zyp> in anything but dense areas, snow is just left on the sides of the road
2016-12-17T20:01:48 < PaulFertser> zyp: like snow groomers or something
2016-12-17T20:02:18 < PaulFertser> To make it possible for regular cars to drive on the road.
2016-12-17T20:02:25 <@englishman> yes here in any dense area snow has to be removed not just plowed, it's blown into semi trucks in a nonstop sequence 24/7 for 5-10 days depending on snowfall, and trucked to dump sites throughout the city
2016-12-17T20:02:40 < zyp> PaulFertser, you mean compact the snow and drive on top of it?
2016-12-17T20:02:44 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes
2016-12-17T20:02:52 <@englishman> sidewalks too, but no salt is used as it's too cold
2016-12-17T20:03:13 <@englishman> snow removal is about $150m/year for montreal or 3-4% of the city budget
2016-12-17T20:03:25 < PaulFertser> englishman: how are the sidewalks made non-slippery?
2016-12-17T20:03:42 <@englishman> plowing snow onto the street for removal, same plow drops grit/gravel
2016-12-17T20:04:10 <@englishman> its the mini tractor the first shot of that video ^
2016-12-17T20:04:20 < PaulFertser> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWzbEn-aXMQ what the hell is he doing? There's no snow, no anything there?!
2016-12-17T20:04:27 <@englishman> heh yeah
2016-12-17T20:04:31 <@englishman> contractors.
2016-12-17T20:04:43 <@englishman> you can see the thiing on the back to dump grit onto the sidewalk
2016-12-17T20:05:31 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raKqLZfl_8o
2016-12-17T20:05:49 < PaulFertser> englishman: apparently you do not get much snow. In moscow it's like 3 months with temperature not ever raising above 0C.
2016-12-17T20:05:57 <@englishman> in montreal they put up signs 12h before snow removal to move your car. in quebec there are deneigement lights on every street to tell you to move your car. still about 3000 cars per snowfall are towed to allow snow removal
2016-12-17T20:06:03 <@englishman> PaulFertser: same here
2016-12-17T20:06:08 <@englishman> it was -26 yesterday
2016-12-17T20:06:54 < PaulFertser> Heh
2016-12-17T20:07:22 <@englishman> here's typical snow removal in the city https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT_1U1rCkCY
2016-12-17T20:07:26 <@englishman> runs like that 24/7
2016-12-17T20:09:15 < PaulFertser> englishman: makes sense if enough sand or grit is applied after that... Thanks for sharing
2016-12-17T20:09:25 < qyx> After a strong snow storms (Usually over 15cm)
2016-12-17T20:09:26 < qyx> heh
2016-12-17T20:09:31 <@englishman> and thanks for sharing about moscow
2016-12-17T20:09:37 <@englishman> im surprised the snow is not removed
2016-12-17T20:10:02 < PaulFertser> Thorn showed some footage from Moscow highway that goes around the whole city and has 5 lanes each direction.
2016-12-17T20:10:59 < PaulFertser> englishman: snow is removed, mostly, I'm afraid there's some misunderstanding, where did I say it's not getting removed?
2016-12-17T20:11:16 <@englishman> oh maybe i misread
2016-12-17T20:11:33 <@englishman> you were simply asking zip
2016-12-17T20:11:54 < PaulFertser> It's not getting removed on many russian roads that are far from moscow.
2016-12-17T20:12:40 <@englishman> well if there is a lot of space it can simply be pushed to the side
2016-12-17T20:13:01 <@englishman> but unprepared places like boston just push it to the side even in cities, where there isnt a lot of snowfall
2016-12-17T20:13:05 < PaulFertser> In some towns people attach DIY stuff to SUVs to clean at least something near their homes.
2016-12-17T20:13:14 <@englishman> last year they got some 24cm dump and there was *chaos*
2016-12-17T20:13:15 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P9q5hGAyxw
2016-12-17T20:13:45 <@englishman> yes here PaulFertser i use the farmer's new holland T7 and snowblower attachment to clean our home and the neighbour's
2016-12-17T20:15:15 < PaulFertser> englishman: but you've your own house, and I'm talking about urban environment with multi-apartment houses, feel the difference ;)
2016-12-17T20:15:31 <@englishman> ah yeah all kind of stuff
2016-12-17T20:15:41 <@englishman> usually that is contracted
2016-12-17T20:15:56 <@englishman> for like $300/year someone comes by in a suv with a blower or even a tractor to remove snow
2016-12-17T20:16:36 < qyx> nice stuff that holland
2016-12-17T20:16:43 < Steffanx> *New Holland
2016-12-17T20:16:48 < PaulFertser> The last Thorn's link shows how much snow there can be in a typical russian town. Hard to clean much with an SUV:)
2016-12-17T20:16:52 <@englishman> it is
2016-12-17T20:17:10 < Steffanx> Here snow just gets moved and lots of salt. When that doesn't work no more we go into Red Alert total panic mode.
2016-12-17T20:17:25 <@englishman> sounds like vancouver
2016-12-17T20:17:56 < qyx> read alert mode is when 5cm of snow falls in bratislava
2016-12-17T20:18:12 < Steffanx> Yeah especially when its totally "unexpected".
2016-12-17T20:18:39 < PaulFertser> zyp: it's just that some russian sources claim that it's common in Norway to compact the snow on roads instead of cleaning it.
2016-12-17T20:18:42 < qyx> people from the north are used to it, but not here
2016-12-17T20:19:09 < Steffanx> So how snowy is it there PaulFertser?
2016-12-17T20:19:11 < Steffanx> atm
2016-12-17T20:22:43 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlvDNE-TjoM
2016-12-17T20:23:21 < Steffanx> Heh, at least the trains still go. Here that's the first thing that stops when we have that little snow
2016-12-17T20:23:35 < BrainDamage> here's salt and mowing, it's actually pretty efficient, within 4-5 mos roads are generally pretty clean
2016-12-17T20:23:45 < BrainDamage> it's tains that go to a clusterfuck
2016-12-17T20:24:09 < BrainDamage> junctions aren't heated, so they need to manually clean and inspect them for freezing
2016-12-17T20:24:09 < PaulFertser> Salt damages cars, boots, clothes...
2016-12-17T20:27:12 < Steffanx> According to wikipedia they use 70 million kg every winter ( on average ) here. Yay.
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2016-12-17T21:18:04 <@englishman> PaulFertser: heres the snow base from a couple weeks ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbQRt86Ytog
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2016-12-17T21:22:34 < PaulFertser> englishman: similar here. Are you not afraid the cat catches a cold?
2016-12-17T21:25:22 <@englishman> he has a nicer coat than i do
2016-12-17T21:25:32 <@englishman> and hes a native
2016-12-17T21:26:06 < PaulFertser> :)
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2016-12-17T21:31:17 < Steffanx> Also I remember cats do go outside much in Canada.
2016-12-17T21:31:37 < Steffanx> Except for walking them like a dog.
2016-12-17T21:37:12 < Steffanx> I still have a hard time getting over that, englishman. Very uncommon here.
2016-12-17T21:37:24 <@englishman> very uncommon anywhere
2016-12-17T21:40:04 < jadew> ah ha, I found that funny too, but I assumed that's normal in more civilized countries
2016-12-17T21:52:07 < PaulFertser> We walked our cat several times here. But it's not too common.
2016-12-17T21:52:51 < Steffanx> Here you only do that when they are young and don't know their way around yet.
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2016-12-17T22:42:20 < Fleck> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1iZD_KXXXXXcsXXXXq6xXFXXX1/A-BF-GS90D-90W-Digital-LCD-Electric-soldering-iron-Adjustable-temperature-Electric-Soldering-station-220v-110v.jpg :D
2016-12-17T22:42:47 < Fleck> that poor mobo... :D
2016-12-17T22:44:53 < Steffanx> At least he/she doesn't hold the iron at the metal part :)
2016-12-17T22:45:07 < Fleck> yeah
2016-12-17T22:45:08 < Steffanx> but damn, those hands are small.. ( child?! )
2016-12-17T22:45:52 <@englishman> thats racist
2016-12-17T22:46:55 < Steffanx> I'll racist you.
2016-12-17T22:47:47 < zyp> I think it's more a matter of perspective
2016-12-17T23:00:21 < zyp> hmm, I added some 3d models to a couple of the parts in my altium lib
2016-12-17T23:00:50 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/tSZWX.png <- looks a bit cute, shame about the varying quality of the models
2016-12-17T23:01:22 < Steffanx> 3dcontentcentral didnt have better/more?
2016-12-17T23:01:37 < zyp> I've just been too lazy to add more
2016-12-17T23:01:40 < qyx> you mean the big gray box?
2016-12-17T23:01:41 < Steffanx> What is this btw? Your energy measurement thingy?
2016-12-17T23:02:14 < zyp> qyx, nah, that part will actually be a big gray box, just missing the label on the top
2016-12-17T23:02:31 < zyp> but the screw terminals looks like
2016-12-17T23:02:34 < zyp> shit
2016-12-17T23:02:37 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah
2016-12-17T23:03:15 < zyp> bottom right corner is the metering section, red thing is isolated DC/DC for it, and next to it a couple of digital isolators
2016-12-17T23:03:32 < zyp> and the big thing is the AC/DC
2016-12-17T23:03:56 < zyp> top terminal is for relay outputs once I've decided on a relay :p
2016-12-17T23:04:30 < zyp> might have to move shit around a bit to add standoffs for the board above this
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2016-12-17T23:05:32 < zyp> but so far it doesn't look so bad on area
2016-12-17T23:05:33 < qyx> it's interesting how long does it take to develop such product/end such project
2016-12-17T23:05:50 < qyx> it doesn't look overly complicated and still it takes ages
2016-12-17T23:05:53 < zyp> haha, especially when you're only thinking about it, not doing anything
2016-12-17T23:05:57 < qyx> like here
2016-12-17T23:06:17 < zyp> I've been planning this shit for months, only sat down and actually started drawing a schematic yesterday
2016-12-17T23:06:26 < qyx> heh
2016-12-17T23:07:52 < Steffanx> So the left input is for 230V to power the board, but sensor/method do you use to measure the current/voltage?
2016-12-17T23:08:43 < zyp> left input is N and three phase lines, right input is for current transformers for each phase line
2016-12-17T23:09:25 < zyp> metering section has N as ground, and a simple resistor divider for voltage
2016-12-17T23:09:37 < zyp> that's the three rows of seven resistors
2016-12-17T23:09:45 < zyp> those are seven 240k in series
2016-12-17T23:10:02 < zyp> schematic is mostly stolen from the reference design, so I guess that's a fair way of doing it :p
2016-12-17T23:11:39 < Steffanx> Hah, yeah. For some reason I look at the left part the wrong way and was like : WTF. I saw the lighter green parts as huge traces :P
2016-12-17T23:11:47 < Steffanx> *looked
2016-12-17T23:11:57 < zyp> haha
2016-12-17T23:13:54 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TVVJ0ev1FU
2016-12-17T23:13:59 < Steffanx> ARgh, wrong window.
2016-12-17T23:14:18 < zyp> cute containers
2016-12-17T23:14:31 < Steffanx> Yeah, me messing with ugfx.
2016-12-17T23:14:57 < Steffanx> More like raging at Tectu because it doesnt do everything i wanted.
2016-12-17T23:15:01 < Steffanx> *needed
2016-12-17T23:17:30 < Steffanx> What reference design btw? 
2016-12-17T23:17:38 < zyp> http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-46103-SE-M90E32AS-ApplicationNote.pdf
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2016-12-17T23:25:06 < Steffanx> Oh that ATM90E32AS is cheaper than i expected.
2016-12-17T23:26:02 < zyp> yeah, they're making all the profit on the demo board instead
2016-12-17T23:26:10 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/atmel/ATM90E32AS-DB/ATM90E32AS-DB-ND/4576345
2016-12-17T23:26:44 < Steffanx> Haha, damn.
2016-12-17T23:27:20 < zyp> so yeah, I figure I'll just have to make my own prototype to evaluate it
2016-12-17T23:29:46 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/on-semiconductor/LE25U20AMB-AH/LE25U20AMB-AHOSTR-ND/3536361 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/on-semiconductor/LE25U20AMB-AH/LE25U20AMB-AHOSCT-ND/5213250
2016-12-17T23:29:50 < zyp> nice pricing
2016-12-17T23:30:16 < zyp> buy 1k on cut tape for $40 total or get a reel with 2k for $660
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2016-12-17T23:33:53 < qyx> whats ultraminiature on a SO8?
2016-12-17T23:35:47 < Fleck> I need a good manual on playing audio (wave for start) on stm32f7, anyone? Looking at code samples... just, meh, so much going on :D
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2016-12-18T00:03:42 < zyp> what sort of output?
2016-12-18T00:04:01 < Kliment> http://www.st.com/resource/en/application_note/cd00259245.pdf
2016-12-18T00:05:35 < Kliment> see also https://github.com/abhishek-kakkar/STM32F4SDIOAudio
2016-12-18T00:05:56 < Fleck> I2S to onboard audio codec zyp
2016-12-18T00:08:32 < zyp> and what's your code basis?
2016-12-18T00:09:26 < Fleck> HAL
2016-12-18T00:09:54 < zyp> for I2S output there's basically three things to configure; first you need to configure the PLLI2S clock in RCC to an appropriate rate
2016-12-18T00:10:24 < zyp> then you need to configure the SPI peripheral you'll be using in I2S mode, then you'll set up a DMA job to feed it with samples
2016-12-18T00:10:54 < zyp> (this is assuming the F7disco codec is hooked to a SPI/I2S periph like the F4 disco)
2016-12-18T00:11:26 < Fleck> I2C for controling codec, I2S for audio
2016-12-18T00:11:29 < zyp> the codec might also require some configuration via I2C to work
2016-12-18T00:11:38 < Fleck> yep
2016-12-18T00:11:48 < zyp> so yeah, that's it
2016-12-18T00:12:36 < zyp> consult the RM and do one step at a time
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2016-12-18T00:28:32 < Kliment> Fleck: check out http://www.tjaekel.com/DiscoveryF7Audio/index.html too
2016-12-18T00:28:50 < Fleck> thanks
2016-12-18T00:28:52 < Fleck> will do! :)
2016-12-18T00:47:04 < Steffanx> Added audio to your games Fleck?
2016-12-18T00:47:29 < Fleck> yep, also that :)
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2016-12-18T03:10:56 < ohsix> buns
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2016-12-18T03:13:25 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: lul
2016-12-18T03:13:35 < ohsix> saw that video earlier, haven't watched yet
2016-12-18T03:13:42 < ohsix> goofs and gaffes
2016-12-18T03:14:49 < ohsix> ah that's just copypasta
2016-12-18T03:15:01 < ohsix> an interesting thing that happened on 4chan back in the day
2016-12-18T03:25:29 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T77frLL_bsg said video
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2016-12-18T03:35:16 < ohsix> lul clickspring is doing the antikythera mechanism next year
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2016-12-18T03:48:27 < ohsix> luuuul vic berger is in an e-fight with mike cernovich on twitter, i helped apparently, one of my subs that didn't know who he was got an email and i showed vic
2016-12-18T03:51:03 < ohsix> already in the twatter intelligentsia
2016-12-18T03:55:31 < ohsix> GETTIN DEM LIKES
2016-12-18T03:59:37 < ohsix> englishman: nice cat action
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2016-12-18T04:52:47 < Laurenceb_> https://sli.mg/K0TyGo
2016-12-18T04:53:00  * Laurenceb_ has been busy
2016-12-18T04:55:36 < ohsix> powerebutt
2016-12-18T04:56:26 <@englishman> Laurenceb_: nasa beat you to it
2016-12-18T04:56:28 < ohsix> rocket board?
2016-12-18T04:56:34 <@englishman> with a plane launched rocket
2016-12-18T04:56:39 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-12-18T04:56:44 < Laurenceb_> pegasus launched in 1990
2016-12-18T04:56:56 < ohsix> whats it 4
2016-12-18T04:57:09 < Laurenceb_> launching rockoons
2016-12-18T04:57:34 <@englishman> good use that
2016-12-18T04:57:46 < ohsix> oh
2016-12-18T04:57:47 < ohsix> haha
2016-12-18T04:57:54 < ohsix> i thought that was just some racist joke or something
2016-12-18T04:57:58 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-18T04:58:40 < ohsix> any 3d printer pros know the most effective head cleaning thing, bunch of 'good advice' garbage on the intertubes and i don't want to try them all
2016-12-18T04:58:46 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/RpRNoe.jpg 
2016-12-18T04:59:01 < ohsix> 1) i can't take it apart
2016-12-18T04:59:46 < Laurenceb_> ^version 1 of same thing
2016-12-18T04:59:54 < ohsix> Kliment: messing with pla, i think printhead #0 has always been clogged
2016-12-18T05:01:39 < ohsix> thought i needed to vary temp but on printhead 1 the same filament (though diff color) was going perfect at all the temps
2016-12-18T05:05:22 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/gallery/esw8A
2016-12-18T05:06:55 < ohsix> hm http://hydraraptor.blogspot.com/2014/07/pla-pipe-cleaner.html
2016-12-18T05:07:40 < ohsix> upgrdman: that's what sunk blockbuster video
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2016-12-18T05:11:23 < upgrdman> inorite
2016-12-18T05:11:30 < upgrdman> no more rewind fees
2016-12-18T05:12:03 < upgrdman> heh when i was a kid i applied for a job at hollywood video (competitior to blockbuster, not sure if they were nationwide or just so cal) and got turned down
2016-12-18T05:12:47 < upgrdman> those cock suckers has a 3 hours long electronic interview with those stupid psychology questions
2016-12-18T05:16:06 < ohsix> there's a verizon store where the hollywood video used to be here
2016-12-18T05:16:23 < ohsix> upgrdman: had to find the real sycophants huh?
2016-12-18T05:19:02 < ohsix> HUHUHU started google earth expecting to use historical imagery to find the hollywood video, but streetview is 'new' D:
2016-12-18T05:19:15 < upgrdman> lol
2016-12-18T05:20:16 < ohsix> i need to find my car on streetview so i can use it as a tweeter masthead
2016-12-18T05:20:30 < upgrdman> lol, those faggots are still in business  http://hollywoodvideo.com/    looks like they just have an amazon store or something.
2016-12-18T05:21:19 < ohsix> wow wtf no way, ti was an empty lot in 1994
2016-12-18T05:23:13 < ohsix> there must have been a new satellite or plane digital image source google got at in 2012, the contrast in quality  before and after stirs conspiracies in the brain
2016-12-18T05:24:24 < ohsix> oh yea you can see the red edge on the building in 2005
2016-12-18T05:26:49 < dongs> god damn imgur app is just completely fucking useless
2016-12-18T05:27:06 < dongs> you share shit to it once
2016-12-18T05:27:16 < dongs> it will upload hten wehn  you do it again, it comes up wiht previously shared img and wants to add new one to it
2016-12-18T05:27:19 < dongs> and you have to exit it, and re-share again
2016-12-18T05:27:23 < dongs> to make it do a single image
2016-12-18T05:28:30 < ohsix> google earth started the wrong browser so i saw https://fedoramagazine.org/bitcoin-fedora-electrum/
2016-12-18T05:31:28 < ohsix> haha it has a yelp page, but yelp didn't exist
2016-12-18T05:31:42 < ohsix> http://www.bendbulletin.com/business/3095417-151/bend-blockbusters-among-last-in-country
2016-12-18T05:32:40 < ohsix> there was one in medford that closed in 2010
2016-12-18T05:32:52 < ohsix> i got my dreamcast when the hollywood video closed :D
2016-12-18T05:33:00 < ohsix> we'd rented it there once or twice too
2016-12-18T05:34:25 < ohsix> MATLAB videos on youtube are so cringe
2016-12-18T05:37:40 < ohsix> i don't know who they make them for or are marketing to, wolfram stuff is so cash
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2016-12-18T07:09:08 <@englishman> mean papa steffan scared stvn away
2016-12-18T07:10:47 < dongs> he's probly back under a new, gayer nick
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2016-12-18T07:30:27 < kOStiX> hey guys, im using IAR Embedded workbench for arm and developing an application for stm32f429, im having issues getting my board to run standalone without the stlink debugger running the app,  any ideas? i have tried release and debug configuration, pullup resistor on nrst along with a 100nf cap to ground, same results, running from hsi or hse, no difference
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2016-12-18T07:33:27 < Thorn> what about boot0/boot1 pins?
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2016-12-18T07:37:34 < dongs> i invited him here, he said boot0 was pulled to ground, and iirc boot1 is in option bytes on these parts.
2016-12-18T07:38:16 < Thorn> is it a custom board or a discovery
2016-12-18T07:39:42 < dongs> custom and "worked before"
2016-12-18T07:39:57 < dongs> hm polarssl got bought by ARM
2016-12-18T07:40:01 < dongs> and renamed to mbedTLS
2016-12-18T07:40:03 < dongs> news2me
2016-12-18T07:51:15 < ohsix> sup kOStiX 
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2016-12-18T07:52:06 < kOStiX> sorry i had to go away from the computer for a bit
2016-12-18T07:52:12 < kOStiX> it is a custom board
2016-12-18T07:52:38 < kOStiX> boot0 is tied to ground thru 470 ohm resistor
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2016-12-18T08:07:31 < Thorn> and you're sure the solder job is good and there is 0V directly on the boot0 pin
2016-12-18T08:12:25 < kOStiX> lemme double check but im sure i have checked before
2016-12-18T08:13:56 < kOStiX> i just checked the board with a new project, only enabling a gpio for a led and made it blink, same behaviour, it wont run after reset with or without the debugger connected
2016-12-18T08:17:08 < kOStiX> thats the thing i think hahah, i just noticed that the thing soldered there is in fact a cap and not a resistor, jesus christ, must have overlooked.. this been a too quick job
2016-12-18T08:24:22 < kOStiX> this is it, it works now
2016-12-18T08:24:29 < kOStiX> thanks for the pointers guys!
2016-12-18T08:29:10 < kOStiX> http://imgur.com/a/hmdlm
2016-12-18T08:29:13 < kOStiX> hits my lil board
2016-12-18T08:29:15 < kOStiX> this
2016-12-18T08:36:11 < Thorn> we've had a guessing game here as to what this actually is
2016-12-18T08:37:18 < Thorn> some audio dsp stuff?
2016-12-18T08:39:20 < kOStiX> haha
2016-12-18T08:40:03 < kOStiX> yeah its a sound sampler module, loads audio wav files from usb to external sdram chip and plays back thru a 24bit 8 channel audio dac
2016-12-18T08:40:16 < kOStiX> with all sorts of parameters
2016-12-18T08:42:09 < kOStiX> triggered by midi
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2016-12-18T08:43:36 < Thorn> neat
2016-12-18T08:45:24 < kOStiX> hehe im loving it
2016-12-18T08:45:34 < kOStiX> been working on this thing from scratch for like a month
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2016-12-18T08:50:55 < ohsix> ooh upgrdman has a new vidya
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2016-12-18T09:02:58 < Thorn> can I use SI4463 to transmit digital audio?
2016-12-18T09:04:12 < kOStiX> hmm interesting, i never done wireless audio yet
2016-12-18T09:05:00 < kOStiX> i wanted to try some stuff with those cheap ebay transceivers nrf24L01
2016-12-18T09:05:36 < Thorn> I've been looking for nrf52 modules with an external antenna and failed to find any
2016-12-18T09:05:56 < Thorn> those support I2S directly and have a cortex core
2016-12-18T09:06:44 < kOStiX> nice!
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2016-12-18T09:08:19 < kOStiX> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/297/nRF52%20DK%20Product%20Brief%20Version%201.0-907424.pdf
2016-12-18T09:08:27 < kOStiX> this thing says has a connector for external antenna
2016-12-18T09:10:54 < ohsix> you can use anything to transmit digital audio
2016-12-18T09:10:59 < ohsix> dem bits
2016-12-18T09:13:56 < dongs> < kOStiX> this is it, it works now
2016-12-18T09:13:57 < dongs> holy shit
2016-12-18T09:13:59 < dongs> boot0 was floating?
2016-12-18T09:14:18 < kOStiX> it was connected to a cap 
2016-12-18T09:14:22 < dongs> good job
2016-12-18T09:14:23 < kOStiX> instead of the resistor
2016-12-18T09:14:24 < Thorn> it was grounded but only at AC
2016-12-18T09:14:50 < kOStiX> yeah
2016-12-18T09:15:00 < dongs> anyway, it certainly looked liek a floating boot0 from beginning
2016-12-18T09:15:09 < kOStiX> thanks for the pointers!
2016-12-18T09:15:15 < kOStiX> it was a total overlook
2016-12-18T09:16:16 < dongs> overdong
2016-12-18T09:18:09 < dongs> 18.4C in my room
2016-12-18T09:18:11 < dongs> FML
2016-12-18T09:18:25 < kOStiX> i got like 15 here
2016-12-18T09:20:09 < Kliment> kOStiX: can you share your sdram code?
2016-12-18T09:20:20 < dongs> what do you mean "code"?
2016-12-18T09:20:25 < dongs> isnt it just init it (copypaste from stdpeirph)
2016-12-18T09:20:29 < dongs> then it shows up as a ram region?
2016-12-18T09:20:38 < Kliment> is it?
2016-12-18T09:20:40 < dongs> yes
2016-12-18T09:20:45 < dongs> on F429/439 anyway
2016-12-18T09:20:48 < dongs> it has sdram controller
2016-12-18T09:20:54 < Kliment> Oh I see!
2016-12-18T09:20:56 < dongs> so you just configure it and it appears at 0x6400000 or someshit
2016-12-18T09:21:03 < Kliment> Awesome
2016-12-18T09:21:17 < dongs> yeah hes not hacking shit like that other guy
2016-12-18T09:21:22 < dongs> making sdram controller wiht F103
2016-12-18T09:22:33 < Thorn> looks like the nrf52 dk has a connector for nfc antenna and a pcb antenna for the radio
2016-12-18T09:23:06 < dongs> time to finish laying out my awesome RS485 master controller
2016-12-18T09:24:19 < kOStiX> yes
2016-12-18T09:24:26 < kOStiX> sdram is init and then access it as an array
2016-12-18T09:25:09 < kOStiX> good thing this stm32 has builtin sdram controller
2016-12-18T09:26:22 < dongs> god damn altium rooms are so fucking useless
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2016-12-18T09:35:58 < ohsix> upgrdman: cough button & water ;]
2016-12-18T09:46:49 < dongs> yay
2016-12-18T09:46:57 < dongs> i solved the net stuff without shitty nettie garbage
2016-12-18T09:47:12 < dongs> [x] Higher level names take priority under project options
2016-12-18T09:47:25 < dongs> this won't rename shit like VCC3V3 into pin names sticking out of sheet block
2016-12-18T09:48:56 < dongs> k now pcb doenst look liek a cock
2016-12-18T10:28:03 < Fleck> how russians do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68imwN9rdEM :)
2016-12-18T10:32:49 < dongs> wath the fuck is even the point
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2016-12-18T10:33:54 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EShUeudtaFg
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2016-12-18T10:34:22 < dongs> old
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2016-12-18T10:44:29 < kOStiX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpq0UEbYcWs
2016-12-18T10:44:50 < kOStiX> forward it 5:20 or so
2016-12-18T10:44:54 < kOStiX> hahah
2016-12-18T10:45:17 < kOStiX> 2 halves of cars welded back to back
2016-12-18T10:46:01 < jadew> that's russian 4x4?
2016-12-18T10:55:34 < dongs> yeah that looks super fuckign safe
2016-12-18T11:05:13 < Kliment> Wasn't there a top gear episode where the dudes had to make stretch limos
2016-12-18T11:05:36 < Kliment> and one of them did it by welding a volvo and an alfa front to front
2016-12-18T11:05:45 < Kliment> So you could drive it in either direction
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2016-12-18T11:12:21 < upgrdman> ohsix, huh? i dont get it.
2016-12-18T11:16:48 < upgrdman> hi
2016-12-18T11:18:10 < dongs> ph.cox
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2016-12-18T11:19:48 < dongs> laying out PCB with the most pro software on the planet
2016-12-18T11:21:46 < dongs> no
2016-12-18T11:22:18 < dongs> just irc
2016-12-18T11:22:23 < dongs> without the cloud part
2016-12-18T11:22:32 < dongs> no
2016-12-18T11:23:17 < dongs> irssi
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2016-12-18T14:16:07 < jadew> ffs... open source software makes me want to quit using computers
2016-12-18T14:16:29 < Steffanx> ok, bye.
2016-12-18T14:16:31 < jadew> first GIMP, now inkscape
2016-12-18T14:16:50 < Steffanx> You can always warez Photoshop and illustrator ..
2016-12-18T14:16:53 < jadew> at least in GIMP you can figure out what stuff does
2016-12-18T14:17:27 < jadew> Steffanx, I'm trying not to
2016-12-18T14:18:20 < jadew> I've been trying to add a node for 5 minutes and even tho there's a tool and a setting for that tool to add nodes, I can't make it work
2016-12-18T14:18:41 < dongs> lol dickscape
2016-12-18T14:18:43 < dongs> that shit is fucking useless
2016-12-18T14:19:04 < jadew> if you click on the stroke and fill settings of a tool, it opens a tool dialog that lets you to use the pervious settings or the current selection's settings
2016-12-18T14:19:06 < jadew> that's it
2016-12-18T14:19:18 < jadew> dongs, it is, but I kept reading how great it is
2016-12-18T14:19:50 < dongs> opensores tools will always tell you how great thier shit is
2016-12-18T14:25:55 < Kliment> dongs: whereas closed tools won't tell you how much theirs suck until it's too late
2016-12-18T14:29:04 < dongs> motherfucker. super repeatable failcrash in altidumb 17
2016-12-18T14:29:08 < dongs> just by dragging a trace
2016-12-18T14:29:09 < dongs> piece of fucking shit
2016-12-18T14:29:13 < Steffanx> ^^ 
2016-12-18T14:30:05 < Steffanx> So how cool is ActiveRoute in altium 17 dongs?
2016-12-18T14:30:13 < dongs> no fucking idea, i have yet to find a usecase for it
2016-12-18T14:30:53 < dongs> sdflkjsdflksdjflskdfjsdlfskjf
2016-12-18T14:31:02 < Steffanx> no ram routing etc for dongs?
2016-12-18T14:31:23 < Steffanx> Gave up on the baudrate/uart issue or .. is that still WIP?
2016-12-18T14:31:36 < dongs> donno, it seems to work
2016-12-18T14:32:50 < Steffanx> and how did you solve it?
2016-12-18T14:33:09 < dongs> i didnt
2016-12-18T14:33:16 < Steffanx> Lol ok.
2016-12-18T14:40:22 < Steffanx> Best solution id no solution
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2016-12-18T15:18:27 < Tectu> o/
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2016-12-18T15:26:00 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/i4nf8p.jpg
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2016-12-18T15:27:21 < Tectu> stop posting crap Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-18T15:27:26 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo7ZzmwVeKc&feature=youtu.be
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2016-12-18T15:58:36 < dekar> I heard the memory leak warning thing in Altium got an additional level with the new release :)
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2016-12-18T16:24:01 < Thorn> I installed winusb drivers for my device using zadig and I get "This device cannot start. (Code 10)" and windows is trying to find drivers for the device when it is connected
2016-12-18T16:24:09 < Thorn> did I mess up my descriptors or something
2016-12-18T16:32:30 < Laurenceb_> winusb
2016-12-18T16:32:33 < Laurenceb_> not even once
2016-12-18T16:32:44 < zyp> eh, winusb works fine
2016-12-18T16:32:56 < Thorn> bDeviceClass=bDeviceSubClass=bDeviceProtocol=0xff
2016-12-18T16:33:03 < zyp> Thorn, could be descriptors, could be you messed up something else
2016-12-18T16:33:05 < Laurenceb_> its horribly overcomplex
2016-12-18T16:33:14 < Laurenceb_> I've just used HID
2016-12-18T16:33:37 < Thorn> according to the debug log it enumerates fine
2016-12-18T16:33:57 < zyp> overcomplex? unless you're making something for which HID actually makes sense, winusb is way easier
2016-12-18T16:34:36 < zyp> Thorn, check that you got the driver bound right then
2016-12-18T16:35:48 < Laurenceb_> well I hate usb in general
2016-12-18T16:35:58 < Thorn> right now it's back to Unknown device
2016-12-18T16:36:18 < Thorn> I pnputil -e'd all infs
2016-12-18T16:37:23 < Thorn> I have no string descriptors, could that be a problem
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2016-12-18T17:35:40 < Thorn> what is the proper answer to a get descriptor request with unknown wValue? (in my case 0x600)
2016-12-18T17:35:57 < Thorn> apparently a STALL could cause this code 10 shit
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2016-12-18T17:50:38 < zyp> 0x600 is device qualifier, which is only relevant for HS-capable devices
2016-12-18T17:51:03 < zyp> spec states «If a full-speed only device (with a device descriptor version number equal to 0200H) receives a GetDescriptor() request for a device_qualifier, it must respond with a request error.»
2016-12-18T17:51:08 < zyp> i.e. STALL
2016-12-18T17:51:52 < Thorn> which is what I do
2016-12-18T17:52:03 < zyp> so that's not your issue
2016-12-18T17:52:41 < Thorn> what bcdUSB should I have?
2016-12-18T17:52:57 < Thorn> I have 0x0200
2016-12-18T17:53:02 < zyp> same
2016-12-18T17:53:07 < zyp> never had a problem with that
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2016-12-18T18:01:01 < Thorn> ok looks like I fucked up endpoint descriptors, no more Code 10
2016-12-18T18:02:58 < Thorn> next episode: libusb_claim_interface(0) failed: LIBUSB_ERROR_NOT_FOUND
2016-12-18T18:03:30 < zyp> is your interface numbered 0 or 1 though?
2016-12-18T18:04:15 < Thorn> bInterfaceNumber = 0
2016-12-18T18:04:30 < Thorn> is it wrong
2016-12-18T18:04:52 < zyp> no, 0 is a valid interface id
2016-12-18T18:05:14 < zyp> you just can't claim interface 0 if bInterfaceNumber says 1
2016-12-18T18:05:38 < zyp> recheck that you've got winusb bound for the device
2016-12-18T18:06:39 < Thorn> winusb.sys is in the driver list
2016-12-18T18:07:47 < zyp> what if you skip claiming the interface, does the rest work?
2016-12-18T18:09:16 < Thorn> libusb_submit_transfer(): LIBUSB_ERROR_NOT_FOUND
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2016-12-18T18:10:24 < zyp> can you pastebin your code calling libusb?
2016-12-18T18:11:00 < Thorn> btw USBDeview says "Connected: No" for my device. no idea what it means
2016-12-18T18:11:33 < Thorn> ok refresh doesn't work in usbdeview
2016-12-18T18:11:41 < Thorn> restarted it and it's a Yes
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2016-12-18T18:22:02 < Thorn> interesting, if I skip claim() my host program does make a request and crashes. debugging the crash now
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2016-12-18T18:40:10 < Laurenceb_> sup trollz
2016-12-18T18:40:24 < Tectu> sky
2016-12-18T18:42:18 < BrainDamage> spotted laurenceb joining the jihad: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=86b_1482046726
2016-12-18T18:44:50 < Laurenceb_> oh thats his skin
2016-12-18T18:44:52 < Laurenceb_> wow
2016-12-18T18:44:59 < Laurenceb_> thought it was a fat suit
2016-12-18T18:45:25 < Tectu> why the fuck would anybody do that
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2016-12-18T19:04:17 < Thorn> ok I got custom control transfers (with data) on EP0 working
2016-12-18T19:04:51 < Thorn> weendows side is way worse than dwc_otg
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2016-12-18T20:16:30 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGPh0IlMVK8
2016-12-18T20:17:40 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pxYlm5z45I
2016-12-18T20:18:10 < Thorn> Atlas V EchoStar XIX Live Launch Broadcast
2016-12-18T20:18:47 < Tectu> thanks Thorn 
2016-12-18T20:19:28 < Tectu> Thorn, do you happen to know what those four white pilars/towers are next to the thingy?
2016-12-18T20:20:26 < Thorn> lightning rods maybe
2016-12-18T20:22:57 < Tectu> "maybe" as in "obviously" or as in "not sure"?
2016-12-18T20:23:36 < zyp> there's some shit strung between them
2016-12-18T20:24:04 < Laurenceb_> they are lighting towers
2016-12-18T20:24:44 < Thorn> there is supopsed to be lightning protection but I dunno why the large white rods. maybe there is radioactive stuff in them or something
2016-12-18T20:25:06 < Thorn> someone in #space knows
2016-12-18T20:25:29 < Tectu> ask :p
2016-12-18T20:26:48 < Spirit532> rocket launch in 1 min
2016-12-18T20:26:49 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pxYlm5z45I
2016-12-18T20:27:39 < Tectu> you're late, but still thanks, Spirit532 
2016-12-18T20:27:46 < Spirit532> wait, am I?
2016-12-18T20:27:47 < Spirit532> damnit
2016-12-18T20:27:50 < Spirit532> why am I always late
2016-12-18T20:28:11 < Spirit532> them seagulls
2016-12-18T20:30:26 < Steffanx> Isn't Spirit532 also russian?
2016-12-18T20:30:43 < Spirit532> I'm still here: P
2016-12-18T20:30:46 < Spirit532> Belarus.
2016-12-18T20:30:56 < Steffanx> oh "white russian"
2016-12-18T20:31:43 < Steffanx> You dont see many of those on the interwebs, at least.. no where i go.
2016-12-18T20:31:44 < Spirit532> It's like Russia, but less shitty and more green. And without opportunities for anyone remotely creative.
2016-12-18T20:32:24 < Steffanx> lol.
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2016-12-18T20:36:03 < Tectu> Thorn, just asked my father which is in the chemical security & safety business and he said that those are most likely contraptions for fire extinction.
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2016-12-18T20:38:23 < zyp> uh, that sounds weird
2016-12-18T20:44:01 < Steffanx> laurenceb.lgbt why u no got that yet Laurenceb_?
2016-12-18T20:44:26 < Laurenceb_> wut
2016-12-18T20:44:37 < BrainDamage> vanity domain name
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2016-12-18T20:46:14 < Steffanx> Im was just surprised it's not registered yet, Laurenceb_
2016-12-18T20:49:36 < Rob235> what would cool better? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/advanced-thermal-solutions-inc/ATS-56001-C3-R0/ATS1332-ND/1285046 or 4 of these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004CL89D8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
2016-12-18T20:51:35 < BrainDamage> the second link doesn't have thermal resistance values, good luck simulating it from geometry
2016-12-18T20:52:18 < Rob235> I don't need an exact answer, just thought from material and size someone could tell
2016-12-18T20:52:54 < BrainDamage> generally more surface area -> lower th resistance
2016-12-18T20:53:25 < BrainDamage> so try to estimate the surface of the cylinders and you'll know, hard to do by eye
2016-12-18T20:55:20 < Rob235> I'll just get the one meant for 19mmx19mm  I don't like the idea of having that hot spot at the center of the chip because the copper ones have rounded bases
2016-12-18T20:55:48 < Rob235> althought I guess I could fill it with thermal glue
2016-12-18T20:55:57 < Rob235> but not worth the mess
2016-12-18T20:58:35 < Rob235> why is this one more expensive than the red one? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/advanced-thermal-solutions-inc/ATS-52190P-C1-R0/ATS1132-ND/1284846
2016-12-18T20:58:47 < Rob235> has longer fins but less and is less efficient
2016-12-18T21:04:15 < Laurenceb_> http://uotechnology.edu.iq/dep-materials/lecture/secondclass/HeatTransfer14.pdf
2016-12-18T21:04:31 < Rob235> thats a lot of reading
2016-12-18T21:04:34 < Rob235> :)
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2016-12-18T21:13:03 < Thorn> my crash was caused by LIBUSB_TRANSFER_FREE_BUFFER | LIBUSB_TRANSFER_FREE_TRANSFER
2016-12-18T21:13:34 < Laurenceb_> Rob235: its a very useful book
2016-12-18T21:13:42 < Rob235> I saved it for another time
2016-12-18T21:13:49 < Steffanx> And lift off :D
2016-12-18T21:16:54 < Tectu> Thank you papa Steffanx 
2016-12-18T21:35:31 < Steffanx> that's more level Laurenceb_.
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2016-12-18T22:07:45 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/d3nrkoqolc4y.gif
2016-12-18T22:08:08 < Steffanx> (nsfl)
2016-12-18T22:08:51 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/ERMkDAW.gifv
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2016-12-18T22:11:25 < upgrdman> :(
2016-12-18T22:22:01 < Laurenceb_> Not A Link Dump
2016-12-18T22:22:03 < Laurenceb_> damn
2016-12-18T22:36:57 < Thorn> btw I can see pwm in a ws2812b if I turn my head quickly
2016-12-18T22:43:52 < Thorn> can you crash if you malloc() a buffer in one thread and free() it from another?
2016-12-18T22:49:11 < TheSeven> now why on earth is BOOT0 muxed with a GPIO on f042 but not on F072?
2016-12-18T22:50:46 < Laurenceb_> http://kickfailure.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cyber_05.jpg
2016-12-18T23:00:39 < zyp> Thorn, kinda depends on your platform, but I'd expect it to be safe on a normal system
2016-12-18T23:01:18 < PaulFertser> Thorn: related, https://sourceware.org/ml/newlib/2013/msg00423.html , you'd better check the code you actually use
2016-12-18T23:02:50 < Thorn> I libusb_handle_events() in a dedicated thread, and crashes stopped when I removed LIBUSB_TRANSFER_FREE_BUFFER | LIBUSB_TRANSFER_FREE_TRANSFER
2016-12-18T23:03:27 < zyp> have you read http://libusb.org/static/api-1.0/mtasync.html ?
2016-12-18T23:03:59 < zyp> hmm, might not be relevant
2016-12-18T23:04:08 < PaulFertser> Thorn: so you're talking about host glibc?
2016-12-18T23:04:38 < Thorn> msvc
2016-12-18T23:05:00 < Thorn> debugger showed crash in libusb_free_transfer() called from libusb_handle_events() btw
2016-12-18T23:07:24 < zyp> Thorn, can you pastebin your code?
2016-12-18T23:09:05 < Thorn> http://paste.ofcode.org/puHASfnP3TYkPaJ6gAgCCF
2016-12-18T23:09:10 < Thorn> it is made of mess
2016-12-18T23:10:08 < kakimir> innovations today?
2016-12-18T23:11:14 < zyp> Thorn, have you checked whether it's crashing with FREE_TRANSFER alone, or when you also add FREE_BUFFER?
2016-12-18T23:11:39 < Thorn> nope
2016-12-18T23:12:25 < Thorn> no crash with LIBUSB_TRANSFER_FREE_TRANSFER alone
2016-12-18T23:13:34 < upgrdman> lol  http://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/1483/do-people-in-non-english-speaking-countries-code-in-english/5576#5576
2016-12-18T23:13:53 < zyp> haha
2016-12-18T23:20:23 < Steffanx> Code not written in English is awful, no matter what. ( comments as well )
2016-12-18T23:20:48 < Steffanx> Had to read some code at work with everything in dutch.. it made me cry.
2016-12-18T23:21:45 < zyp> yeah, dutch is awful
2016-12-18T23:21:56 < Thorn> http://helpme1c.ru/massivy-v-yazyke-1s-8-v-primerax
2016-12-18T23:22:27 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/a/2gDeG
2016-12-18T23:22:37 < zyp> hmm, 0.5mm pitch FFC seems to be good for 0.5A or so
2016-12-18T23:22:38 < Steffanx> You imply norwegian is much better zyp?
2016-12-18T23:23:53 < zyp> no, that was a joke
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2016-12-18T23:24:59 < Steffanx> :P
2016-12-18T23:25:12 < zyp> I mean, outside of programming norwegian totally is
2016-12-18T23:25:17 < zyp> :p
2016-12-18T23:25:30 < zyp> dutch is completely unreadable!
2016-12-18T23:25:43 < Steffanx> Niettes.
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2016-12-18T23:32:02 < zyp> hmm, this AC board design is nearing completion now, and now I'm at the point where I need to figure out where to put the board standoffs for the second level board
2016-12-18T23:32:52 < zyp> and I feel it's kinda hard to decide where to place them now until I've started laying out the second level board
2016-12-18T23:33:06 < zyp> so yay
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2016-12-18T23:37:43 <@englishman> cool zyp 
2016-12-18T23:37:53 <@englishman> this is car charger or ac monitor killawatt iot kind of thing?
2016-12-18T23:38:09 <@englishman> also hello Steffanx i am back and ready to ban idiots reposting from reddit
2016-12-18T23:42:35 < zyp> englishman, kinda combination of both, I guess, since one of the purposes are logging power consumption
2016-12-18T23:58:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDBuXRQziFI music times
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2016-12-19T00:27:44 < Kerr-A> Call me silly, but I'm trying to set up an STM32 chip, STM32F103C8, in LQFP48, And... I don't see which pin is ground on the datasheet >_<
2016-12-19T00:34:23 < Kerr-A> VBAT, PC13-TAMPER-RTC, PC14-OSC32_IN, PC15-OSC32_OUT, PD0-OSC_IN, PD1-OSC_OUT, NRST, VSSA, VDDA, PA0-WKUP, PA1 ... , PB0, ... PB10, VSS_1, VDD_1, VSS_2, VDD_2, BOOT0, VSS_3, VDD_3
2016-12-19T00:35:52 < Fleck> VSS
2016-12-19T00:37:13 < Kerr-A> "5.1 Parameter Conditions [...] Unless otherwise specified, all voltages are referenced to VSS."
2016-12-19T00:37:15 < Kerr-A> Got it
2016-12-19T00:37:17 < Kerr-A> TY
2016-12-19T00:42:08 < Kliment> Steffanx: http://grootdictee.ntr.nl/dicteetekst/?jaar=2016 see, zyp was right, completely unreadable
2016-12-19T00:42:52 < upgrdman> "Dunglish" lol
2016-12-19T01:05:39 < Laurenceb_> next PCBway project ready to order, hopefully they dont screw this one up https://sli.mg/a/OxoqSF
2016-12-19T01:06:00 < ReadErr> COON LAUNCHIN YAAAY
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2016-12-19T01:08:15 <@englishman> what did 'they' screw up
2016-12-19T01:09:43 < ReadErr> (((they)))
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2016-12-19T01:10:01 < Laurenceb_> this channel is truning into /pol/
2016-12-19T01:10:05 < Laurenceb_> *turning
2016-12-19T01:10:14 < ReadErr> I wonder why
2016-12-19T01:10:16 <@englishman> no shit
2016-12-19T01:10:39 < Laurenceb_>  (((they))) decided to make a panel of boards, with no milling
2016-12-19T01:11:00 <@englishman> did you not send them .gko
2016-12-19T01:11:30 < Laurenceb_> GKO ?!
2016-12-19T01:11:32 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-12-19T01:11:38 < ReadErr> outline
2016-12-19T01:11:39 < ReadErr> noob
2016-12-19T01:11:43 <@englishman> ^
2016-12-19T01:11:44 < Laurenceb_> I always name it GML or something
2016-12-19T01:11:46 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-12-19T01:11:52 < ReadErr> GKO = gerber keep out
2016-12-19T01:11:53 < ReadErr> or w/e
2016-12-19T01:11:55 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-12-19T01:11:58 <@englishman> eagletrash carryover
2016-12-19T01:12:03 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2016-12-19T01:12:04 <@englishman> that is now china standard
2016-12-19T01:12:13 < ReadErr> yea osh uses that too
2016-12-19T01:12:13 < Laurenceb_> ok will rename
2016-12-19T01:12:14 < ReadErr> i think
2016-12-19T01:12:16 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-12-19T01:12:27 < Laurenceb_> yeah the ones I asked them to panellize were ok
2016-12-19T01:12:35 <@englishman> if in doubt send to some other chinasite for pcb renders
2016-12-19T01:12:36 < Laurenceb_> but my panels had no milling
2016-12-19T01:12:43 < Laurenceb_> k
2016-12-19T01:12:44 <@englishman> like vgroove?
2016-12-19T01:13:26 < Laurenceb_> http://www.xess.com/static/media/uploads/blog/devbisme/2015-05-10/panel_nick.jpg
2016-12-19T01:13:32 < Laurenceb_> there panels were like that
2016-12-19T01:13:40 <@englishman> nice
2016-12-19T01:13:41 < Laurenceb_> my panel design didnt have the holes
2016-12-19T01:13:46 < Laurenceb_> so maybe they missed it
2016-12-19T01:13:49 <@englishman> plated mousebites
2016-12-19T01:14:08 < Laurenceb_>  - without plating
2016-12-19T01:14:26 < kakimir> I get these weird emails "hello handsome man"
2016-12-19T01:14:32  * ReadErr blushes
2016-12-19T01:14:44 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: too much time on adultwork
2016-12-19T01:15:29 < Laurenceb_> adultwork has reviews and score out of 5, just seems even more wrong
2016-12-19T01:15:35 < Laurenceb_> I know this because someone told me
2016-12-19T01:15:47 < kakimir> adultwork?
2016-12-19T01:16:41 < Laurenceb_> you are not going to convince us you dont spend all your time on there like that
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2016-12-19T01:17:13 < kakimir> on there?
2016-12-19T01:17:46 < kakimir> are you referring to my physical location of some internets based service?
2016-12-19T01:18:06 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-12-19T01:18:24 < Laurenceb_> an internets based service involving physical transactions
2016-12-19T01:19:01 < kOStiX> hey guys, anyone familiar with the xcore microcontrollers?
2016-12-19T01:19:07 < kakimir> I think there migth be some local services
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2016-12-19T01:22:50 < kakimir> could highly reactive metals or so be used as dense fuel in combustion engines?
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2016-12-19T01:23:22 < kakimir> is there more energy in such than in hydrocarbons?
2016-12-19T01:24:11 < Laurenceb_> this was tried in the 50s
2016-12-19T01:24:27 < Laurenceb_> too many issues with combustion products
2016-12-19T01:24:54 < kakimir> in 50s they flew with nuclear reactor too or was it 60s
2016-12-19T01:27:20 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_fuel
2016-12-19T01:29:02 < kakimir> nit3>>
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2016-12-19T01:30:50 < Laurenceb_> One potentially lasting relic of the HEF program is an abandoned dirt airfield outside Boron, California
2016-12-19T01:30:51 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-12-19T01:40:11 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/g3I4Px.jpg
2016-12-19T01:41:53 < ReadErr> D;
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2016-12-19T01:52:14 < ohsix> twatter trends: people that died
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2016-12-19T04:20:52 < upgrdman> wtf it got so quiet in here about q'ing laurence
2016-12-19T04:20:57 < upgrdman> s/about/after
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2016-12-19T04:31:32 < Kerr-A> Im having trouble communicating with an stm32 via ST-link v2. It's a fresh chip I soldered on an lqfp48 breakout board earlier. I checked every pin to make sure it was conected correctly w/dmm, and that there are no bridges, etc. As far as I can tell I should only need to connect VDD and VSS for the chip to be active, right? 
2016-12-19T04:31:45 < Kerr-A> Chip is STM32F103C8
2016-12-19T04:31:57 < Kerr-A> in LQFP48
2016-12-19T04:33:42 < Kerr-A> I have stlink GND -> VSS, 3.3V -> VDD, SWCLK -> pin 37, SWDIO -> Pin 34, RST -> NRST
2016-12-19T04:34:11 < Kerr-A> Ive tried both ST Visual programmer, and STM32 STlink utility, both say error communicating with the device
2016-12-19T04:34:22 < upgrdman> i havent fucked with that chip, but theres prolly a f1disco, check it's schematic
2016-12-19T04:35:15 < Kerr-A> f1disco?
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2016-12-19T04:37:11  * Kerr-A finds nothing about f1disco on internet
2016-12-19T04:38:45 < Kerr-A> oh, discovery board
2016-12-19T04:39:27 < Kerr-A> tons of shit on the discovery board...
2016-12-19T04:39:43 < Kerr-A> buttons, switched, a voltage regulator, oscillators...
2016-12-19T04:40:06 < Kerr-A> I presume all of that i not nescessary...
2016-12-19T04:40:13 < Kerr-A> *is not
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2016-12-19T04:56:26 < ohsix> disco
2016-12-19T04:56:36 < ohsix> none of it is necessary, but that's not the point
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2016-12-19T05:00:09 < Kerr-A> why should I look at the schematic for a discovery board? im trying to connect to a bare chip with stlink
2016-12-19T05:02:56 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0AOrv9XUAA0d6x.jpg
2016-12-19T05:03:06 < ohsix> Kerr-A: cuz it is easier than reading the rm
2016-12-19T05:04:21 < zyp> Kerr-A, did you remember to hook up VDDA/VSSA?
2016-12-19T05:06:40 < zyp> STM32F1 requires only power and ground to be hooked up, but that includes VDDA/VSSA, VDD is never allowed to exceed VDDA
2016-12-19T05:09:00 < dongs> Kerr-A: there are 3 VDDs, 1 VDDA and like 4 GNDs
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2016-12-19T05:10:10 < dongs> well k
2016-12-19T05:10:25 < dongs> for F103 he could also look at an actual stlink schematic.
2016-12-19T05:10:31 < dongs> since thats what it uses.
2016-12-19T05:10:57 < zyp> dongs, how pro is this? http://bin.jvnv.net/f/iEHJE.png
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2016-12-19T05:11:12 < dongs> nice relays
2016-12-19T05:11:26 < zyp> oh, yeah, I found some smaller ones than the shit you linked
2016-12-19T05:11:33 < dongs> but are tehy common/available?
2016-12-19T05:12:45 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/omron-electronics-inc-emc-div/G6DN-1A-DC12/Z5440-ND/5864614
2016-12-19T05:12:55 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-potter-brumfield-relays/PCN-112D3MHZ,000/PCN-112D3MHZ-000-ND/1128732 <- and this shit is different vendor, same footprint
2016-12-19T05:13:00 < zyp> so I assume it's not too uncommon
2016-12-19T05:13:24 < dongs> lets see
2016-12-19T05:13:36 < dongs> TE makes relays, eh
2016-12-19T05:13:51 < zyp> or bought somebody who does
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2016-12-19T05:17:36 < dongs> whats that huge gray thing
2016-12-19T05:17:38 < dongs> AC->DC?
2016-12-19T05:17:46 < zyp> yeah
2016-12-19T05:17:58 < zyp> so, regarding FFC, are there any considerations I should do wrt. pincount and shit for price and availability?
2016-12-19T05:18:45  * Kerr-A skulks about his unfunctional stm32
2016-12-19T05:18:56 < zyp> Kerr-A, did you see what we wrote?
2016-12-19T05:19:05 < Kerr-A> no
2016-12-19T05:19:12 < Kerr-A> I lost connection for a few minutes, must have missed it
2016-12-19T05:19:13 < zyp> VSSA?
2016-12-19T05:19:13 < zyp> 04:06:40 < zyp> STM32F1 requires only power and ground to be hooked up, but that includes VDDA/VSSA, VDD is never allowed to exceed VDDA
2016-12-19T05:19:16 < zyp> 04:09:01 < dongs> Kerr-A: there are 3 VDDs, 1 VDDA and li
2016-12-19T05:19:22 < zyp> paste fail
2016-12-19T05:19:27 < zyp> 04:04:21 < zyp> Kerr-A, did you remember to hook up VDDA/VSSA?
2016-12-19T05:19:27 < zyp> 04:06:40 < zyp> STM32F1 requires only power and ground to be hooked up, but that includes VDDA/VSSA, VDD is never allowed to exceed VDDA
2016-12-19T05:20:19 < dongs> zyp, are those AC lines on the left side
2016-12-19T05:20:23 < dongs> leading to the regulator?
2016-12-19T05:20:26 < Kerr-A> oh, so I need VDDA and VSSA
2016-12-19T05:20:30 < zyp> dongs, correct
2016-12-19T05:20:40 < Kerr-A> O cant just connect to VSS_3 and VDD_3 like I am
2016-12-19T05:20:42 < zyp> dongs, and rows of resistors for voltage division
2016-12-19T05:20:47 < dongs> iirc for CE or wahtever EN60fuckoff passing youneed 6mm spacing between any AC line
2016-12-19T05:21:01 < zyp> Kerr-A, no, all power pins needs to be hooked up
2016-12-19T05:21:14 < dongs> Kerr-A: lol, yeah y ou need ALL of htem hooked up.
2016-12-19T05:21:29 < dongs> they're not actually internally connected, they're powering different blocks of the chip.
2016-12-19T05:21:51 < zyp> dongs, judging by the numbers I've looked at, required clearance is 2.5mm or so
2016-12-19T05:22:00 < Kerr-A> *victory
2016-12-19T05:22:01 < zyp> when exposed
2016-12-19T05:22:06 < Kerr-A> "The Device is protected"
2016-12-19T05:22:09 < zyp> less when under masked
2016-12-19T05:22:12 < zyp> mask*
2016-12-19T05:22:15 < Kerr-A> much better
2016-12-19T05:22:37 < Kerr-A> I need them all plugged in? my DMM seemed to indicate that VDD_* etc were all electrically common
2016-12-19T05:22:52 < Kerr-A> although I did see a recommendation that each pair get a set of caps
2016-12-19T05:22:52 < dongs> or maybe it was 3-4mm
2016-12-19T05:23:05 < dongs> Kerr-A: you need to have them all connected.
2016-12-19T05:23:08 < zyp> dongs, depends on a bunch of shit like pollution class and whatnot
2016-12-19T05:23:36 < dongs> yeah k, dont know enough. just going by tweeting from few months back when I had to figure out some AC shit and asked in here and was recommended by PROs
2016-12-19T05:24:37 < zyp> if I'm violating anything, it's probably creepage on the isolation barrier between the metering section and the rest of the shit
2016-12-19T05:26:23 < zyp> but eh, it'll work for now, and I'm not sure I'll ever get to a point where this shit can be sold
2016-12-19T05:28:51 < Kerr-A> well everything seems fine with just vssa and vdda plugged. ill definitely get caps on all of them/etc before doing anything else tho
2016-12-19T05:29:08 < Kerr-A> buut, anyhow, SWEET.
2016-12-19T05:30:14 < dongs> Kerr-A: bluepill stm32f103c8's are like $1 on ebayt
2016-12-19T05:30:30 < dongs> http://wiki.stm32duino.com/index.php?title=Blue_Pill
2016-12-19T05:31:52 < Kerr-A> I have a few. havent used them for anything, i was more interested in building from scratch
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2016-12-19T06:05:11 < dongs> why?
2016-12-19T06:05:38 < dongs> if you aren't even interested in reading the dataasheet or basic schematics
2016-12-19T06:05:47 < dongs> in order to "building from scratch"
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2016-12-19T06:38:55 < Jak_o_Shadows> Has anyone talked to a car's OD?
2016-12-19T06:42:07 < dongs> what is that
2016-12-19T06:44:28 < dongs> if  you mean OBD< I bought some chink AL319 thing wiht STM32 and color lcd inside.
2016-12-19T06:44:53 < dongs> when I get through my current pile of autistic projects and clear up my backlog of shit people are waiting to pay me for, I might reflash my own firmware on it to dick with it 
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2016-12-19T07:54:58 < HorizonSet> Anyone have any particularly good experiences with Visual Studio / VisualGDB? 
2016-12-19T08:22:47 < dongs> in what sense
2016-12-19T08:22:59 < dongs> I've alwayw wanted to try it but the filth of opensores is preventing me
2016-12-19T08:23:02 < dongs> so im sticking wiht keil
2016-12-19T08:23:19 < dongs> from what I hear tho its pretty good?
2016-12-19T08:28:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, car OBD, sorry. I have a nice cable (thgat goes to a DB15), and I bought a transceiver chip so I can electrically connect to the CAN bus properly.
2016-12-19T08:29:45 < dongs> sounds like a plan
2016-12-19T08:29:55 < dongs> just make sure you have parking brake on
2016-12-19T08:29:58 < dongs> before you start fucking wiht it
2016-12-19T08:30:17 < Jak_o_Shadows> ahaha, yes.
2016-12-19T08:30:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> The brake pedal is definitley hardware - the accelerator is electronic
2016-12-19T08:33:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> It'd be cool if the speedo value was exposed. A relatives been bugging me to make something that beeps when you go over a set speed
2016-12-19T08:33:28 < dongs> it is
2016-12-19T08:33:36 < dongs> and its a standard way to read them all, too
2016-12-19T08:33:46 < dongs> there's 'PID' values taht you can query, and the speed one is called VSS
2016-12-19T08:34:11 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II_PIDs
2016-12-19T08:34:33 < dongs> Vehicle Speed Sensor
2016-12-19T08:35:01 < dongs> standard if your car isnt like 50 years old, taht is
2016-12-19T08:35:09 < dongs> i've not tried it on anything > 8 years old
2016-12-19T08:37:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> 10 years. So we'll see
2016-12-19T08:37:35 < dongs> 2008 was the thing where everything had to be canbus
2016-12-19T08:37:39 < dongs> and not some proprietary faggotry
2016-12-19T08:37:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm not in NA either, so it wasn't regulated
2016-12-19T08:38:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> Looking online, I found a website that claims it's CAN.
2016-12-19T08:38:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> Also, from a pinout diagram I found online, the CAN pins are populated in the connector
2016-12-19T08:38:55 < Jak_o_Shadows> There are 3-4 magic manufacturer ones though
2016-12-19T08:39:07 < dongs> depending how much  your time is worth, https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/autism/713479_1832373004.html might be a better choice
2016-12-19T08:39:19 < dongs> (and has STM32 so you can later reflash it with whatever shit you want if you get bored of it)
2016-12-19T08:39:57 < dongs> thats a bit of a rip i think i paid around 30bux for it
2016-12-19T08:40:05 < dongs> maybe less. a bunch of places selling clones.
2016-12-19T08:40:27 < dongs> this has realtime PID display in a table
2016-12-19T08:40:34 < dongs> so you can watch vss/temperature/etc while driving
2016-12-19T08:40:49 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm.
2016-12-19T08:41:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> Well, there's a better than even chance I'm going to have to learn CAN/get that working from scratch on a stm32 anyway, for work.
2016-12-19T08:41:27 < dongs> right, in that case, knock yourself out.
2016-12-19T08:41:29 < dongs> its not that complex.
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2016-12-19T08:42:20 < dongs> you should be able to find spec for the obd stuff, if you really only need vss, you can just send a simple message requesting it and if your shit supports it it'll reply wiht teh value
2016-12-19T08:42:24 < dongs> tahts all
2016-12-19T08:42:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> Just to check, the CAN hardware is sane? Not like i2c?
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2016-12-19T08:42:40 < dongs> you need the transceiver IC
2016-12-19T08:42:49 < dongs> input, cantx/canrx, output is differential A/B thing
2016-12-19T08:42:58 < dongs> or CANH/CANL or wahtever
2016-12-19T08:43:28 < dongs> after that you just send a thing with ID, and receive another thing with ID
2016-12-19T08:43:35 < dongs> and some bytes of data related to that ID.
2016-12-19T08:43:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> yes, yes. But if, potentially, I wanted to make a CAN slave, there's not hte same sort of problems as in i2c?
2016-12-19T08:44:37 < dongs> like what "probelms"?
2016-12-19T08:44:38 < jpa-> Jak_o_Shadows: you can check the errata sheet of the part you are planning to use
2016-12-19T08:44:51 < dongs> oh you mean if CAN peripheral isnt broken
2016-12-19T08:45:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> yes, that dongs
2016-12-19T08:45:04 < dongs> iirc its not as bad as I2C, but its much simpler hardware
2016-12-19T08:45:12 < dongs> not much to break
2016-12-19T08:45:13 < dongs> heh
2016-12-19T08:45:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> Good :D
2016-12-19T08:45:32 < jpa-> it does have a few errata entries
2016-12-19T08:46:07 < dongs> dont see any on F103
2016-12-19T08:46:14 < jpa-> "AN         time         tr
2016-12-19T08:46:16 < jpa-> iggered communication mode not supported 
2016-12-19T08:46:19 < jpa-> great paste
2016-12-19T08:46:29 < jpa-> on F4.. seems rather minor
2016-12-19T08:46:58 < dongs> doesnt even sound like anything used in automotive shit
2016-12-19T08:47:15 < dongs> http://modecs.cs.uni-salzburg.at/results/related_documents/TTCAN-CiA2000Paper_1.pdf
2016-12-19T08:47:40 < dongs> its probly only mentioned beacuse nothing supports it :p
2016-12-19T08:47:47 < dongs> other than some .edu research shit
2016-12-19T08:49:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> Sounds like a great improvement over i2c for our use case
2016-12-19T08:49:52 < dongs> really depends
2016-12-19T08:49:55 < dongs> what are you even trying to do
2016-12-19T08:50:29 < dongs> canbus is not for inter-ic-communication, you know kinda like what I2C (IIC) is
2016-12-19T08:50:53 < jpa-> it seems that in most places where i'd consider CAN, I2C would be a really crappy alternative.. poor noise performance, slow pull-ups etc.
2016-12-19T08:51:24 < dongs> jpa-: and the same the other way, where you'd use I2C you probably don't want/need the overhead of can
2016-12-19T08:51:32 < jpa-> but on the other hand, dear laurence-pie has been running I2C for 5 meter cables to horse and complaining that it doesn't work
2016-12-19T08:51:41 < dongs> haha
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2016-12-19T08:53:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> Well, it's more that reliability is important, the slaves are getting more complex and independent (./modular), and multi-master could ocassionally (rarely probably, it's a bit of a paradigm shift) handy
2016-12-19T08:55:49 < dongs> this is for board to board coms right?
2016-12-19T08:55:58 < dongs> canbus youalso gotta have termination
2016-12-19T08:56:06 < dongs> so there's that
2016-12-19T08:57:51 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, board to board
2016-12-19T08:58:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> What do you quite mean by termination?
2016-12-19T08:58:35 < jpa-> termination resistors
2016-12-19T08:58:45 < dongs> outer edges of teh bus will need termination
2016-12-19T08:58:52 < dongs> yeah resistors
2016-12-19T08:59:19 < dongs> if your shit is connected in different topology depending on whatever, might need to add a dipswitch or something to be able to terminate any node.
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2016-12-19T08:59:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> Ooh yeah.
2016-12-19T09:01:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> I might hand that over to the electrical peepps :D
2016-12-19T09:02:16 < dongs> just use bluetoogh for evertthign
2016-12-19T09:02:26 < dongs> Internet of Dicks
2016-12-19T09:03:01 < Jak_o_Shadows> aha.
2016-12-19T09:03:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> Can you even do a single master/multiple slave with bluetooth?
2016-12-19T09:03:37 < dongs> haha, no idea
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2016-12-19T09:17:08 < Thorn> is it possible to make libusb fail an IN control transfer (i.e. not send the ZLP in the status stage)?
2016-12-19T09:17:16 < Kliment> Yes, of course you can, Jak_o_Shadows 
2016-12-19T09:17:29 < Kliment> Jak_o_Shadows: It depends on your hardware how many connections are supported
2016-12-19T09:18:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's not terribly common though is it
2016-12-19T09:18:49 < Kliment> Jak_o_Shadows: With BLE, you can trade off connection count for connection BW, up to a maximum (typ. 7 slaves on embedded masters, up to 20 on desktop. With non-BLE BT you have a fixed number of connections
2016-12-19T09:19:52 < dongs> < Thorn> is it possible to make libusb fail
2016-12-19T09:19:53 < dongs> yes
2016-12-19T09:19:56 < dongs> you just install it
2016-12-19T09:20:00 < dongs> and you already failed
2016-12-19T09:20:17 < Kliment> dongs: That's the opposite of helpful
2016-12-19T09:21:28 < dongs> http://img3.banggood.com/thumb/large/oaupload/banggood/images/96/B9/8a211ea8-91bf-492b-a22d-fd20289853da.jpg cool brand
2016-12-19T09:21:31 < dongs> Kliment: just being honest here
2016-12-19T09:21:41 < dongs> libusb on windows is an absolute abortion
2016-12-19T09:21:54 < dongs> not only does it install a upper filter driver on EVERY USB DEVICE
2016-12-19T09:22:00 < dongs> its impossible to remove once its been installed
2016-12-19T09:22:11 < jpa-> doesn't it just use winusb these days?
2016-12-19T09:22:12 < dongs> so basically clean reinstall of windows is the only option on a PC that was infected with libusb
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2016-12-19T09:25:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> Neato Kilment
2016-12-19T09:27:36 < Thorn> dongs: libusb is just a 90Kb dll, if you bind winusb to your device no 3rd party drivers will be installed
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2016-12-19T09:34:36 < jpa-> karlp: some of the "tips" from that site are pretty funny :D   http://modelingwithdata.org/arch/00000057.htm
2016-12-19T09:40:33 < dongs> thorn, 90kb is a lot of damage to a system
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2016-12-19T09:51:11 < upgrdman> i remember the days of compressing DOC and PPT files to save a few KB so i could fit more on a floppy disk.
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2016-12-19T10:03:44 < PaulFertser> dongs: what other driver is more suitable for custom devices? Jungo? But why? WinUSB is there, written by microsoft, certified by microsoft, what else do you want?
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2016-12-19T10:13:01 < ReadErr> GitHub Is Building a Coder’s Paradise. It’s Not Coming Cheap
2016-12-19T10:13:01 < ReadErr> The VC-backed unicorn startup lost $66 million in nine months of 2016, financial documents show.
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2016-12-19T10:18:05 < dongs> PaulFertser: i use winusb yes
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2016-12-19T10:20:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: so current libusb doesn't install anything at all, it's just a dll calling winusb.
2016-12-19T10:24:10 < dongs> PaulFertser: why would i need opensores interface to winusb when i can just use winusb
2016-12-19T10:25:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: only if you want your software to also work on faggot OS X or some SBC running Linux.
2016-12-19T10:25:37 < dongs> so basically never
2016-12-19T10:25:40 < jpa-> because some people care about "works poorly on every platform" :)
2016-12-19T10:25:40 < Thorn> it calls winusb, setupapi, cfgmgr32, registry and some other hairy shit
2016-12-19T10:25:40 < dongs> since it doesnt work there anyway
2016-12-19T10:25:54 < dongs> my hardware stopped working on lunix after 2.6
2016-12-19T10:25:59 < Thorn> 4289 lines of pure DO NOT WANT https://github.com/libusb/libusb/blob/master/libusb/os/windows_winusb.c
2016-12-19T10:26:02 < dongs> when they changed dvb-api around enough to make it not work
2016-12-19T10:26:09 < dongs> and then removed abiltiy to build kernel modules out of tree
2016-12-19T10:26:12 < dongs> thanks to uapi split
2016-12-19T10:26:25 < PaulFertser> jpa-: openocd doesn't seem to have any libusb-specific issues, works the same everywhere, according to the reports.
2016-12-19T10:26:33 < dongs> https://github.com/libusb/libusb/blob/master/libusb/os/windows_winusb.c#L47
2016-12-19T10:26:34 < dongs> fuck me
2016-12-19T10:26:39 < dongs> this is why lunix development si dumb
2016-12-19T10:26:44 < dongs> multiline macros = get fucked
2016-12-19T10:27:04 < jpa-> multiline macros <3
2016-12-19T10:27:11 < PaulFertser> C programming = get fucked
2016-12-19T10:27:21 < jpa-> that
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2016-12-19T10:40:56 < Steffanx> Being alive = get fucked
2016-12-19T10:41:43 < Steffanx> </emo>
2016-12-19T10:42:29 < Thorn> Being = get fucked (Heidegger)
2016-12-19T10:42:58 < dongs> schrodinger's fuck
2016-12-19T10:45:08 < upgrdman> seems like ##stm32 is full of philosofuckers tonight
2016-12-19T10:49:57 < Kliment> "Lifted off the ground, the pig began to spin as it flew through the air at 125 mph (200 km/h). It arrived on board uninjured but in a disoriented state. Once it recovered, it attacked the crew."
2016-12-19T10:50:10 < Kliment> From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery_system#The_Skyhook_system
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2016-12-19T11:21:45 < Spirit532> Kliment, "Once the pig arrived, it attacked the crew"
2016-12-19T11:22:26 < Kliment> Spirit532: As pigs do after flying
2016-12-19T11:23:01 < Kliment> Spirit532: Presumably, the CIA had been reliably informed that pigs flying was a prerequisite to implementation of one of their more ambitious plans
2016-12-19T11:24:32 < PaulFertser> pigs are heavy enough, but not heavier than a human, easy to obtain, similar enough to human health-wise. It's hard to come up with a dummy better than a pig for this usecase.
2016-12-19T11:34:16 < Kliment> Yeah, i fully understand the motivation behind using pigs
2016-12-19T11:34:49 < dongs> using dicks
2016-12-19T11:36:19 < dongs> fucking altidumb17
2016-12-19T11:36:21 < dongs> and im paying for this hit
2016-12-19T11:36:23 < dongs> shit
2016-12-19T11:36:39 < dongs> it pretty much consistently crashes during any non-trivial track dragging
2016-12-19T11:36:58 < dongs> anythign that will push a via/track = will probly crash
2016-12-19T11:37:02 < dongs> and still no fucking changelog on altidumb site
2016-12-19T11:37:11 < upgrdman> ya wtf is it with altium  releasing alpha-level shit
2016-12-19T11:37:26 < dongs> it should never fucking crash at basic shit
2016-12-19T11:37:28 < upgrdman> surprised the engineering community accepts that
2016-12-19T11:37:33 < dongs> i mean... dragging fucking traces around, wat?
2016-12-19T11:37:34 < jpa-> ah, so they've finally copied the kicad push'n'shove'n'crash -routing
2016-12-19T11:37:39 < dongs> thats like if I installed kikecad
2016-12-19T11:37:43 < dongs> yea wat jpa said :)
2016-12-19T11:38:08 < dongs> they said they spend something like 90% of their R&D cash on PCB layout
2016-12-19T11:38:11 < dongs> well motherfuckers, fix it !
2016-12-19T11:45:19 < upgrdman> with vmware dickstation, any way to limit the size of individual VMDK and VMSN files to some size? e.g. split them up into 1GB chunks or someshit
2016-12-19T11:45:50 < dongs> yeah, you can have option to split vmdk when creating
2016-12-19T11:45:54 < dongs> don't think you can for  ram
2016-12-19T11:45:58 < dongs> cuz it gets mmap'd or wahtever
2016-12-19T11:46:06 < upgrdman> hmm k
2016-12-19T11:46:08 < dongs> are you vmwaring over FAT32 or something?
2016-12-19T11:46:33 < upgrdman> so, even more retarded. i want to put a VM in my google drive. and google drive limits to 5GB max file size
2016-12-19T11:46:48 < dongs> .. so you can wait for it to boot for 20 minutes?
2016-12-19T11:47:00 < upgrdman> no, gdrive is synced to hdd
2016-12-19T11:47:11 < upgrdman> i use it like cloud rsync
2016-12-19T11:47:11 < dongs> then just split vmdk
2016-12-19T11:47:23 < dongs> and configure vmx to put ram image into another nonsynced folder
2016-12-19T11:47:30 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-19T11:47:36 < dongs> might need to hand-edit the vmx
2016-12-19T11:47:38 < dongs> its just a text file
2016-12-19T11:47:41 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-19T11:47:52 < dongs> but otherwise, sounds doable (much retarded tho)
2016-12-19T11:49:54 < ReadErr> theres a cli tool to split it too
2016-12-19T11:51:38 < ReadErr> 4:36:40 AM <dongs> it pretty much consistently crashes during any non-trivial track dragging
2016-12-19T11:51:38 < ReadErr> 4:36:58 AM <dongs> anythign that will push a via/track = will probly crash
2016-12-19T11:51:48 < ReadErr> same thing I was having with 16
2016-12-19T11:52:03 < ReadErr> it would get in some kind of DRC fuckery 
2016-12-19T11:53:56 < Steffanx> Ah stvn woke up.
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2016-12-19T12:04:37 < ReadErr> are you stalking him or something
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2016-12-19T12:05:43 < dongs> ReadErr: never happend with 16
2016-12-19T12:05:50 < dongs> 16.1.12 has bene solid since release
2016-12-19T12:05:56 < dongs> or 16.1.xx in general
2016-12-19T12:06:00 < dongs> never had any issues.
2016-12-19T12:06:49 < stvn> shit son
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2016-12-19T12:07:34 < ReadErr> thats the one way I could make it crash
2016-12-19T12:07:37 < dongs> also, ratlines are now selectable objects....................
2016-12-19T12:07:42 < dongs> what the actual fuck FOR
2016-12-19T12:08:47 < dongs> also most of the time this shit crashes during multiroute
2016-12-19T12:08:54 < dongs> maybe they broke it on purpose so you use ActiveRoute(tm) instead
2016-12-19T12:16:18 < stvn> altiuhm
2016-12-19T12:21:12 < stvn> i miss fort myers beach
2016-12-19T12:30:38 < dongs> ok feeling lazy, trying activefuck
2016-12-19T12:30:42 < dongs> expecting my pcb to get scrambled
2016-12-19T12:31:02 < dongs> jesus fuck
2016-12-19T12:31:06 < dongs> ctrl-fucking z
2016-12-19T12:32:15 < dongs> ok never again
2016-12-19T12:32:52 < dongs> Steffanx: activeroute sux
2016-12-19T12:35:02 < stvn> why do it
2016-12-19T12:38:33 < dongs> i think im gonna downgrade to 16
2016-12-19T12:38:35 < dongs> this is ridiculous
2016-12-19T12:38:43 < dongs> i cant even fucking get anyt work done
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2016-12-19T12:50:09 < Kliment> I never understood why pirated altium is so universal in shenzhen
2016-12-19T12:50:47 < dongs> because orcad & friends are garbage>?
2016-12-19T12:50:55 < Kliment> well, so is altium
2016-12-19T12:51:10 < Kliment> as you've been demonstrating the past couple hours
2016-12-19T12:51:28 < Kliment> All CAD sucks balls, in general
2016-12-19T12:51:30 < dongs> nah man this is some weird shit
2016-12-19T12:51:36 < dongs> im just gonna downgrade to 16
2016-12-19T12:51:48 < Kliment> But why force your customers to use the most expensive package on the market?
2016-12-19T12:54:13 < stvn> downgrade your upgrade to a regrade that is higher than your current grading.
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2016-12-19T12:58:31 < kakimir> can compilers automatically optimize to use m3 bit banding?
2016-12-19T12:58:41 < dongs> no.
2016-12-19T12:58:49 < dongs> its a manual thing, wtf dude.
2016-12-19T12:58:55 < kakimir> yes
2016-12-19T12:59:30 < jpa-> and it pretty much never ends up as significant speed optimization in practical code; more useful for atomicity
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2016-12-19T12:59:58 < dongs> ya each time i think of using it, i find almost no reasons to actually use
2016-12-19T13:00:14 < kakimir> why it's 1M wide in these papers?
2016-12-19T13:00:23 < kakimir> huge
2016-12-19T13:00:37 < jpa-> because that's the size it takes?
2016-12-19T13:00:49 < jpa-> with 4GB of address space, hardly a problem to waste 1M
2016-12-19T13:01:04 < kakimir> it requires 1M of ram=
2016-12-19T13:01:14 < dongs> ... no
2016-12-19T13:02:25 < jpa-> it accesses the same ram there already is
2016-12-19T13:02:31 < jpa-> that's, you know, kind of the point
2016-12-19T13:04:00 < kakimir> oh
2016-12-19T13:04:10 < kakimir> that is smart
2016-12-19T13:04:44 < kakimir> pretty sweet stuff
2016-12-19T13:05:23 < kakimir> how much it improves stuff to use bit banding
2016-12-19T13:07:00 < jpa-> what stuff?
2016-12-19T13:07:13 < jpa-> for most code, i'd say "it doesn't improve it at all"
2016-12-19T13:07:39 < kakimir> that is what I think too
2016-12-19T13:08:29 < kakimir> calculating them addresses takes cycles or requires stored values
2016-12-19T13:10:20 < kakimir> and then calling the operation itself too
2016-12-19T13:10:43 < kakimir> oh wait.. you just write to it
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2016-12-19T13:11:02 < jpa-> the place where it is useful is in interrupts, clearing some bit quickly
2016-12-19T13:11:20 < kakimir> okay
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2016-12-19T13:12:23 < dongs> i donno if its ognna be faster than read modify write
2016-12-19T13:12:31 < dongs> since it needs some cycles to do the bitband shit anyway
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2016-12-19T13:14:58 < jpa-> true, mostly saves on code size
2016-12-19T13:15:25 < dongs> found the crash cause
2016-12-19T13:15:28 < dongs> snap to objects axis does it
2016-12-19T13:15:37 < dongs> i turned that on to do some alignment of stuff
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2016-12-19T13:17:42 < dongs> looks liek some pascal directx fuckup
2016-12-19T13:17:48 < dongs> it popped up assertion fail box once in some .pas file
2016-12-19T13:18:06 < kakimir> dongs: jpa: "These operations take a single machine instruction thus eliminate race conditions"
2016-12-19T13:19:18 < jpa-> yes, that just means they are atomic
2016-12-19T13:19:34 < jpa-> but how many clock cycles does that single instruction take?
2016-12-19T13:20:18 < kakimir> oh
2016-12-19T13:23:18 < dongs> just holding alt temporarily to snap to nearby pad is enough, i can just keep that snap off
2016-12-19T13:23:29 < kakimir> jpa-: how many does it?
2016-12-19T13:25:30 < jpa-> kakimir: depends on memory bus, but it mostly ends up as a read-modify-write on the bus
2016-12-19T13:39:50 < kakimir> hmm
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2016-12-19T13:41:02 < kakimir> there really isn't another way but can next instruction be executed simultaneously
2016-12-19T13:41:05 < kakimir> ?
2016-12-19T13:41:39 < kakimir> there is winning there if exec. doesn't stop
2016-12-19T13:42:40 < jpa-> what do you mean by "executed"
2016-12-19T13:45:14 < kakimir> it keeps loading and executing instructions like nothing even when mem bus is doing that read-mod-write thing?
2016-12-19T13:45:41 < kakimir> or does it effectively halt next instruction until it's done?
2016-12-19T13:47:08 < jpa-> it is not possible to give a single answer to that question
2016-12-19T13:49:37 < Kliment> it's possible, but it would not be a correct answer :P
2016-12-19T13:59:08 < Rob235> don't you guys ever sleep?
2016-12-19T13:59:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> All CAD packages suck in some way. Inventor part mode, and sketching is pretty good. But it's a lot of effort to make nice logical assemblies. Creo may have the edge there.
2016-12-19T13:59:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> dunno about solidworks
2016-12-19T13:59:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> FreeCAD is crazy unintuitive
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2016-12-19T13:59:49 < dongs> opensores irc likes to crash a lot, too
2016-12-19T13:59:55 < dongs> i bet his freecad just crashed his X11 session
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2016-12-19T14:00:00 < dongs> and took all the running apps with it
2016-12-19T14:00:12 < dongs> i mean, 2016, and this still happens in lunix
2016-12-19T14:00:20 < dongs> good luck getting an app to crash WDM or something on windows.
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2016-12-19T14:13:44 < karlp> did someone have some host side sw for calculating matching crc values to the stm32 crc units?
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2016-12-19T14:16:31 < PaulFertser> karlp: in blackmagicprobe generic_crc32 uses hardware CRC to compute something compatible to GDB's sum.
2016-12-19T14:17:06 < PaulFertser> The standard  IEEE 802.3 one.
2016-12-19T14:17:13 < karlp> gdb has a sum too?
2016-12-19T14:17:49 < PaulFertser> qCRC packet
2016-12-19T14:18:02 < dongs> mIRC packet
2016-12-19T14:18:04 < karlp> is that exposed anywhere?
2016-12-19T14:18:19 < PaulFertser> karlp: I think gdb uses that for compare-sections
2016-12-19T14:19:25 < karlp> http://www.chibios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1475&sid=4cd8b6f4708688856bed48e785450dcd&start=10 this seems to say compatible with python binascii.crc32()
2016-12-19T14:19:31 < karlp> that would probably work too.
2016-12-19T14:19:33 < Rob235> quartus prime I will conquer you!
2016-12-19T14:20:46 < dongs> good job choosing a FPGA nobody here uses
2016-12-19T14:20:51 < dongs> instead of all teh you know, recommended solutions
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2016-12-19T14:24:03 < Rob235> someone did recommend it
2016-12-19T14:24:15 < dongs> probably o6, lol!!!!
2016-12-19T14:24:20 < dongs> had it installed once and double clicked
2016-12-19T14:24:22 < dongs> recommended!!
2016-12-19T14:24:27 < Rob235> haha nah it was someone else but doesn't matter
2016-12-19T14:24:38 < Rob235> whats so bad with altera
2016-12-19T14:24:58 < Rob235> just the software?
2016-12-19T14:25:17 < Rob235> or are you just gonna hate with no reason :)
2016-12-19T14:25:29 < dongs> lul almost failed this board i was routing. at the last minute noticed SIP isolated dc/dc supplies were sticking out the bottom
2016-12-19T14:25:38 < dongs> would make case huge and dumb
2016-12-19T14:26:28 < Rob235> hmm
2016-12-19T14:27:49 < Rob235> $90 for the DE0-Nano looks good though, for $90 you don't get anything like that with xilinx
2016-12-19T14:32:16 < karlp> Rob235: I think the general wisdom is the tools ar attrocious for both, so you choose the one your friends use.
2016-12-19T14:32:33 < Rob235> ahh
2016-12-19T14:32:48 < Rob235> yea I never hear anything good about either toolset
2016-12-19T14:33:01 < dongs> Actel ProASIC has the bestest tools EVAR~~~ (not)
2016-12-19T14:33:04 < Rob235> its like dongs owns the fpga market
2016-12-19T14:33:19 < karlp> and then you have to decider whether you're happy with altera's future inside intel.
2016-12-19T14:33:33 < karlp> and what you're actually doing yourself anwyay
2016-12-19T14:34:08 < Rob235> I think I'm going to get the altera for now just because of the price and try xilinx later
2016-12-19T14:34:45 < dongs> there are other vendors.
2016-12-19T14:34:55 < dongs> does altera make anything in usable packages?
2016-12-19T14:35:09 < dongs> xilinx: dumbBGA, giantQFP
2016-12-19T14:35:18 < dongs> altera: dumbBGA, dotheyevenmakeQFP?
2016-12-19T14:35:33 < dongs> other vendors: QFN, QFP, dumbBGA, etc
2016-12-19T14:35:34 < karlp> who else is there? microsemi/actel/lattice/?
2016-12-19T14:35:42 < dongs> microsemi owns actel now :)
2016-12-19T14:35:46 < dongs> and .. who bought lattice?
2016-12-19T14:36:05 < dongs> ahh some chinks
2016-12-19T14:36:06 < karlp> some china investment group
2016-12-19T14:36:13 < dongs> they wanted proasic / actel replacement
2016-12-19T14:36:14 < karlp> "quick logic" whoever they are
2016-12-19T14:36:15 < dongs> that they could own
2016-12-19T14:36:18 < dongs> for all thier clone designs
2016-12-19T14:36:30 < dongs> china loves broasic but they coudlnt deal wiht american company owning them
2016-12-19T14:36:38 < BrainDamage> what really got me is that xilinx managed to make ise's worse by making vivado
2016-12-19T14:36:52 < Rob235> I heard vivado was better than ise
2016-12-19T14:36:58 < dongs> BrainDamage: and then removing support for anything but the dumbest/hugest chips in vivado
2016-12-19T14:37:06 < Rob235> yea that was stupid
2016-12-19T14:37:12 < dongs> Rob235: it is, if your FPGA is 9000 balls $5000 piece eof shit
2016-12-19T14:37:38 < dongs> smallest MAKE:R grade xilinx is what, 144QFP?
2016-12-19T14:38:03 < Rob235> I think so
2016-12-19T14:38:16 < karlp> achronix too.
2016-12-19T14:38:19 < Rob235> thats what I was looking at at first
2016-12-19T14:38:33 < Rob235> 144qfp packages
2016-12-19T14:38:48 < dongs> hey you can still get them in PLCC
2016-12-19T14:38:52 < dongs> 84PLCC
2016-12-19T14:39:26 < dongs> anyway, no, looks like 100qfp is available too
2016-12-19T14:39:37 < Rob235> I was just thinking how much I've learned over the past couple years since starting the drone project.  I still know nothing but I know a lot more than I did
2016-12-19T14:39:42 < dongs> but not very powerful in that package.
2016-12-19T14:40:37 < karlp> heh, atmel still has fpgas too
2016-12-19T14:40:51 < dongs> you mean PALs?
2016-12-19T14:41:12 < dongs> o weird
2016-12-19T14:41:33 < karlp> 5v and everything
2016-12-19T14:42:06 < Rob235> can you overclock fpgas? how does the clocking work :P
2016-12-19T14:42:19 < karlp> 84plcc there too :)
2016-12-19T14:42:28 < dongs> aye, that seems to be a standard stoner package
2016-12-19T14:42:30 < dongs> even altera hsa one
2016-12-19T14:42:39 < dongs> i'm wondering if they're pin compatible
2016-12-19T14:43:10 < Rob235> speaking of clocks, I never learned how PLLs work.  thats been on the list to research
2016-12-19T14:44:18 < karlp> apparently atmel is a second source for some altera ones year
2016-12-19T14:44:20 < BrainDamage> take an oscillator with a knob to adjust frequency, and add a gnome that compares the oscillator's output with a reference signal and adjust the knob
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2016-12-19T14:44:26 < Kliment> Rob235: PLLs work by matching phase
2016-12-19T14:44:40 < Rob235> yea that doesn't really mean anything to me...yet
2016-12-19T14:44:43 < Rob235> :)
2016-12-19T14:45:06 < Kliment> Rob235: So every time you have an AC signal it has a point where it crosses zero
2016-12-19T14:45:12 < Rob235> right
2016-12-19T14:45:20 < dongs> https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aspacekatgal%202018&src=typd ha ha ha
2016-12-19T14:45:44 < karlp> heh, 2892 ball bga: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/xilinx-inc/XCVU440-2FLGA2892E/XCVU440-2FLGA2892E-ND/6132314
2016-12-19T14:45:58 < Kliment> Rob235: Now, suppose you have a high frequency signal and a low-frequency signal. You can control the frequency of the high-frequency signal by changing a voltage driving an oscillator
2016-12-19T14:46:11 < Rob235> 2018 race huh?
2016-12-19T14:46:12 < dongs> Kliment: with 86megs of blockram
2016-12-19T14:46:19 < Kliment> dongs: eh?
2016-12-19T14:46:20 < dongs> that must be an over $9000 part
2016-12-19T14:46:27 < dongs> err karlp ^
2016-12-19T14:46:35 < karlp> yeah, $54k says digikey :)
2016-12-19T14:47:01 < Kliment> Rob235: Now suppose you want the high-freq signal to be exactly twice the freq of the low-freq signal
2016-12-19T14:47:24 < dongs> o yeah
2016-12-19T14:47:46 < Kliment> Rob235: You know that every time the LF signal passes zero, the HF signal passes zero twice
2016-12-19T14:47:59 < Rob235> ok
2016-12-19T14:48:41 < Laurenceb_> wut the heck dongs
2016-12-19T14:48:44 < Kliment> Rob235: so you ignore every second (odd) zero-crossing of the HF signal, and measure the time between the crossing of the LF signal and the even crossing of the HF signal
2016-12-19T14:48:49 < Laurenceb_> reality is turning into a meme
2016-12-19T14:49:04 < dongs> trannie4prez
2016-12-19T14:49:04 < Kliment> Rob235: You convert that time to a voltage, and use it as feedback for your oscillator
2016-12-19T14:49:14 < dongs> (paging leeooman)
2016-12-19T14:49:39 < Rob235> ahh I see. How does it work with DC if its not alternating current? high and low vs pos/neg?
2016-12-19T14:49:45 < Kliment> Rob235: exactly
2016-12-19T14:49:51 < Rob235> ok thanks
2016-12-19T14:50:24 < Kliment> Rob235: This allows you to generate any multiple of the input frequency, and ensure that the output is in phase (matching zero crossings) with the input
2016-12-19T14:51:13 < Kliment> Rob235: after that, you add a divider, and you can generate any frequency Fo where Fo=M*Fi/N
2016-12-19T14:57:29 < Kliment> Rob235: Here is the very first PLL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortt-Synchronome_clock
2016-12-19T14:58:22 < Rob235> how did they fit that in their cellphones?
2016-12-19T14:59:20 < Kliment> Easy! They didn't have cellphones. and it fits perfectly comfortably in a telegraph office
2016-12-19T14:59:25 < Rob235> :)
2016-12-19T15:00:07 < Kliment> Damn, accuracy of 2.31ppb
2016-12-19T15:00:23 < dongs> Kliment: how is that clock a pll
2016-12-19T15:00:34 < dongs> the vacuum pendulum didnt have feedback from the outside one
2016-12-19T15:00:41 < Kliment> dongs: Other way around
2016-12-19T15:01:07 < Kliment> dongs: The vacuum pendulum, being unaffected by the friction of the clockwork, was the timesource for the normal pendulum
2016-12-19T15:01:15 < dongs> sure
2016-12-19T15:01:44 < Kliment> dongs: The swinging of the latter was synchronized to the phase of the former every 30s
2016-12-19T15:01:50 < dongs> kay
2016-12-19T15:02:03 < dongs> wikipedia cash grab warning is now ORANGE
2016-12-19T15:02:06 < dongs> they must be getting desperate
2016-12-19T15:02:25 < Kliment> dongs: as long as it's not dongs-colored it's all good
2016-12-19T15:04:08 < Rob235> green?
2016-12-19T15:05:42 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/FiYPy
2016-12-19T15:05:44 < dongs> wow i installed win7 on a trash laptop i cant believe how much more usable win8/10 start tilesstuff is
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2016-12-19T15:09:04 < Rob235> I wake up early to do work and I end up wasting the extra time with you clowns
2016-12-19T15:11:28 < Steffanx> Dont blame us you fool.
2016-12-19T15:11:52 < Rob235> :)
2016-12-19T15:11:57 < Rob235> whats up doood
2016-12-19T15:12:13 < Steffanx> ∆
2016-12-19T15:12:35 < Rob235> how do you do ascii chars on os x?
2016-12-19T15:13:02 < Steffanx> Copy paste
2016-12-19T15:13:07 < Rob235> heh
2016-12-19T15:13:25 < Steffanx> Or cmd option key or ..
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2016-12-19T15:15:21 < PaulFertser> ASCII chars should be readily available with most keyboards without any additional keys.
2016-12-19T15:15:37 < Rob235> ô¿ô
2016-12-19T15:15:58 < Rob235>  -
2016-12-19T15:16:03 < Rob235> oops
2016-12-19T15:16:35 < Rob235>  -
2016-12-19T15:16:42 < Rob235>   -
2016-12-19T15:17:15 < Rob235> ô¿ô
2016-12-19T15:17:17 < Rob235>   -
2016-12-19T15:19:04 < Rob235> ô¿ô
2016-12-19T15:19:07 < Rob235>   ^
2016-12-19T15:21:04 < Rob235> I'm guessing americans invented ascii?
2016-12-19T15:21:23 < Rob235> oh
2016-12-19T15:21:33 < Rob235> that could just be mac nvm
2016-12-19T15:22:36 < Rob235> I feel like I'm in a padded room all by myself
2016-12-19T15:22:47 < dongs> try /msg o6
2016-12-19T15:22:56 < Rob235> no thanks
2016-12-19T15:23:54 < Steffanx> Hah. O6session much.
2016-12-19T15:24:13 < Steffanx> ob*
2016-12-19T15:24:59 < Rob235> nice play on words
2016-12-19T15:32:59 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXmKHGqfFlc what the shit are the chinks doing
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2016-12-19T15:45:42 < PaulFertser> Some mental ad-hoc way to forge a huge spacer? wow
2016-12-19T15:46:58 < dongs> there's a slideshow of htem throwing it on a lathe later
2016-12-19T15:46:59 < dongs> and cleaning it up
2016-12-19T15:47:21 < dongs> im curious why it cant just go on a lathe to begin with
2016-12-19T15:47:29 < dongs> why do they have to beat it around for a while
2016-12-19T15:48:28 < PaulFertser> Forging
2016-12-19T15:55:42 < PaulFertser> That's some impressive team work indeed.
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2016-12-19T16:08:15 < Rob235> do you have to install this synplify shit? what does it do
2016-12-19T16:08:32 < Steffanx> "This" 
2016-12-19T16:09:27 < Rob235> siht
2016-12-19T16:12:07 < Thorn> I hear people pay like $40k for it even though fpga IDEs include synthetizers basically for free
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2016-12-19T16:21:53 < Rob235> I'm confused
2016-12-19T16:22:11 < Rob235> if quartus prime doesn't come with it or need it, why is it complaining that it cant find it
2016-12-19T16:22:22 < Kliment> Forging gives you very different material properties than machining
2016-12-19T16:23:02 < sync> dongs: because then the material fibers do not have the right direction
2016-12-19T16:23:14 < Kliment> sync: crystals, in this case, not fibers
2016-12-19T16:23:37 < sync> ...
2016-12-19T16:23:41 < sync> it still is called fiber
2016-12-19T16:24:13 < sync> it is not a real fiber, but used to visualize how it works
2016-12-19T16:24:15 < Kliment> sync: I don't think I've heard anyone in metallurgy use that term - do you mean grain?
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2016-12-19T16:25:31 < Kliment> sync: Of course I only dabble in metalworking, so I might just be wrong
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2016-12-19T16:27:23 < sync> ttp://www.wtl-aalen.de/uploads/tx_haldgallery/Faserverlauf_2_01.jpg
2016-12-19T16:27:36 < sync> http://www.wtl-aalen.de/uploads/tx_haldgallery/Faserverlauf_2_01.jpg
2016-12-19T16:27:40 < sync> I mean fibers.
2016-12-19T16:27:49 < sync> http://infoportal.merath.com/images/Gewindeformen_Faserverlauf_big.gif
2016-12-19T16:28:30 < Kliment> sync: Right, I think this is a language thing, they're not called that in English
2016-12-19T16:29:30 < sync> well, some papers do call them that way
2016-12-19T16:30:17 < sync> you can call them grain flow, but it's the same thing in the end
2016-12-19T16:30:23 < Kliment> Yeah, absolutely
2016-12-19T16:30:41 < Kliment> All the (english-speaking) metalworkers I know call it grain
2016-12-19T16:31:13 < Kliment> Which leads me to suspect said papers were written by deutschsprachige autoren
2016-12-19T16:32:58 < Kliment> but you're right, doesn't matter what you call it
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2016-12-19T16:34:19 < Kliment> dongs: when you machine a part you are removing material. When you forge a part you are reshaping material. Say you have a mounting hole. If you drill it, the part is weaker where the hole is because there is not as much structure in the region around the hole
2016-12-19T16:35:03 < Kliment> dongs: if you forge it instead, you can make a hole by moving material around, which reinforces the region around the hole and keeps the overall structural strength of the part to a much higher degree
2016-12-19T16:35:27 < Kliment> dongs: Then you machine it to get the surface precision you need, removing a much smaller amount of material
2016-12-19T16:42:48 < Rob235> FUCK YOU QUARTUS
2016-12-19T16:48:19 < Kliment> Also, that video doesn't look very crazy to me - it's the correct process for heavy forging, they have decent gear on, fume extraction seems good
2016-12-19T16:49:14 < Kliment> The forge should have a tall chimney but they're not actually working close to it
2016-12-19T16:50:15 < Kliment> They have good clearance from the power hammer, it gets triggered on cue, they are fairly careful not to stick their heads under it
2016-12-19T16:50:29 < sync> it is quite a shithole for ring making
2016-12-19T16:50:46 < sync> almost everybody has it automated nowadays
2016-12-19T16:51:10 < Kliment> true, it's a 1940s process
2016-12-19T16:51:22 < Kliment> But nothing especially crazy about it
2016-12-19T16:52:13 < Kliment> sync: You do metalwork?
2016-12-19T16:53:40 < BrainDamage> https://imgur.com/a/pyuDJ a picture shows it better
2016-12-19T16:53:50 < Rob235> yay fixed it :P
2016-12-19T16:54:17 < Thorn> there is a German metalworker on youtube. thanks to him I now know that a non-China chuck for a lathe costs $3000 :X
2016-12-19T16:55:02 < BrainDamage> ( behold my painting skills )
2016-12-19T16:55:31 < sync> Kliment: yes
2016-12-19T16:55:56 < Kliment> sync: Nice, what kind of stuff?
2016-12-19T16:56:17 < sync> race car stuff
2016-12-19T16:56:21 < Kliment> sync: I'm a beginner, took some metalwork classes
2016-12-19T16:56:33 < Kliment> sync: Going to be forging my first knife next year :)
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2016-12-19T17:25:00 < karlp> englishman: looks like your amd stock price prediction was a touch off
2016-12-19T17:26:04 < Laurenceb> only metal is not a composite material
2016-12-19T17:26:25 < Laurenceb> yes crystal grain boundaries but the effect isnt quite that significant
2016-12-19T17:26:39 <@englishman> lol yeah
2016-12-19T17:26:44 <@englishman> so I'm out $9
2016-12-19T17:27:10 <@englishman> but its was a pretty safe bet that amd would introduce a shit product. They surprised everyone.
2016-12-19T17:27:11 < Laurenceb> bth I don't understand the advantage of forging over casting and complex tempering
2016-12-19T17:27:25 < Laurenceb> guess steel casting isnt so easy
2016-12-19T17:28:05 < Laurenceb> http://www.wellsvillefoundry.com/ADI_castings_vs_steel_forgings.htm
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2016-12-19T17:32:05 < Thorn> what does a bulk/interrupt IN EP in dwc_otg do if it is enabled, its fifo is empty, SNAK is not set and host sends an IN token?
2016-12-19T17:32:24 < Thorn> STALL is also not set
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2016-12-19T18:03:45 < zyp> Thorn, that's a bit ambiguous
2016-12-19T18:03:56 < sync> Laurenceb: the effect is very significant if you have highly stressed parts that need to have good fatigue life
2016-12-19T18:05:20 < zyp> Thorn, what does the DIEPTSIZx register contain?
2016-12-19T18:06:26 < zyp> Thorn, also CNAK/SNAK bits are write-only bits, do you mean that you've not written SNAK, or do you mean that NAKSTS is 0?
2016-12-19T18:08:48 < zyp> Thorn, anyway, I guess you're asking what the core will do if it's configured to send a packet, but there's not enough data in the FIFO
2016-12-19T18:09:17 < zyp> in that case I believe it'll NAK, due to the FIFO flow control
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2016-12-19T18:11:28 < zyp> I haven't tested it myself yet, since my code only supports single-packet transfers so far and always filling the FIFO before submitting the transfer, but judging by the documentation, I figure that's how it'll work
2016-12-19T18:12:19 < zyp> if DIEPTSIZx is set to send a zero length packet, that obviously won't require data in the FIFO and will get sent even when it's empty
2016-12-19T18:22:53 <@englishman> digikey sent an eol notice for a part i ordered last week
2016-12-19T18:22:54 <@englishman> fuckers
2016-12-19T18:23:28 < Steffanx> Why you order almost eol products?
2016-12-19T18:24:30 <@englishman> this question i must ask myself
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2016-12-19T18:27:04 < c10ud^> is there a better rtc than ds2417?
2016-12-19T18:27:16 < c10ud^> ie. cheap, ext int
2016-12-19T18:27:53 < c10ud^> bonus: linux support out of the box
2016-12-19T18:31:16 < PaulFertser> c10ud^: how about M41T62 with integrated crystal?
2016-12-19T18:31:21 < Rob235> wut? why?
2016-12-19T18:31:22 < Rob235> The single‑port logic implements command reordering (looking ahead at the command sequence to see which banks can be put into the correct state to allow a read or write command to be executed) and data reordering (allowing data transactions to be dispatched even if the data transactions are executed in an order different than they were received from the multi-port logic).
2016-12-19T18:31:38 < Rob235> why would it allow out of order commands
2016-12-19T18:31:50 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=42f_1482146712
2016-12-19T18:31:57 < c10ud^> PaulFertser, thx, I will see
2016-12-19T18:33:49 < c10ud^> PaulFertser, other bonus point: manageable package
2016-12-19T18:33:50 < c10ud^> :)
2016-12-19T18:34:09 < Thorn> zyp: sorry been afk. let's say PKTCNT and XFRSIZ are both 0
2016-12-19T18:34:17 < karlp> there's an rtc periph built into ,,,, the subject of this channel?
2016-12-19T18:34:56 < Thorn> and SNAK has not been set by the app at that point
2016-12-19T18:35:14 < PaulFertser> c10ud^: I'd say it's managable, suitable enough for hand-soldering.
2016-12-19T18:35:28 < Thorn> in that case it will send a ZLP?
2016-12-19T18:35:51 < c10ud^> i would have loved to cut out every ic with an external rtc (also directly accessible from <other arm board without rtc>)
2016-12-19T18:35:53 < PaulFertser> karlp: but not with 300nA when idle iirc.
2016-12-19T18:36:59 < c10ud^> yeah well qfn16..not sure it's in my league, iirc the magnetometer from st had a similar package and I couldn't find a way to solder it without making a big mess
2016-12-19T18:37:19 < Thorn> also, what will it do if DIEPCTL_EPENA is not set?
2016-12-19T18:37:54 < c10ud^> oh, that was lga12
2016-12-19T18:41:23 < zyp> Thorn, if PKTCNT is 0 it'll NAK
2016-12-19T18:41:54 < Thorn> oh ok right
2016-12-19T18:42:26 < Thorn> what is the point of EPENA? (separate from SNAK/CNAK)
2016-12-19T18:44:08 < zyp> I guess if the endpoint isn't enabled at all, it won't return a handshake at all
2016-12-19T18:44:37 < zyp> remember that NAK is an actual handshake token like STALL
2016-12-19T18:44:41 < Thorn> this is how I understand USBAEP
2016-12-19T18:45:07 < Thorn> USBAEP=0 -> no reply at all
2016-12-19T18:45:16 < Thorn> but why EPENA?
2016-12-19T18:46:01 < zyp> oh, right
2016-12-19T18:46:34 < zyp> EPENA schedules a transfer
2016-12-19T18:48:00 < zyp> so you'd first write DIEPTSIZx to set up the transfer size, then EPENA to actually schedule the transfer
2016-12-19T18:48:20 < zyp> and while enabled you should probably not touch DIEPTSIZx until the transfer is done
2016-12-19T18:48:44 < zyp> think of it as a DMA job, first you set up the DMA job length, then you start DMA
2016-12-19T18:49:06 < zyp> this is DMA from the FIFO though, not from memory, so it's still subject to FIFO flow control
2016-12-19T18:50:49 < Thorn> some existing drivers that I've been using set EPENA in IN EP initialization, I don't understand why. I can understand OUT (it prepares the EP to accept data) but there is no data to send when you init an IN EP
2016-12-19T18:51:11 < Thorn> it's probably wrong
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2016-12-19T18:56:26 < Thorn> oh and btw if I do not call libusb_claim_interface() the first transfer fails with LIBUSB_ERROR_NOT_FOUND
2016-12-19T18:56:36 < Thorn> subsequent transfers seem to work
2016-12-19T18:57:03 < Thorn> if I call claim() then it fails with LIBUSB_ERROR_NOT_FOUND and transfers work
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2016-12-19T19:17:39 < zyp> hmm, now I'll have to see what my dwc_otg code does
2016-12-19T19:18:00 < zyp> I didn't know usb very well when I wrote it :)
2016-12-19T19:18:45 < zyp> ah, I set EPENA only if it's an OUT endpoint
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2016-12-19T19:29:38 < Thorn> also what's the deal with transfer size[EPNUM] = n × (MPSIZ[EPNUM] + 4 – (MPSIZ[EPNUM] mod 4)) (page 1361)
2016-12-19T19:30:16 < Thorn> that means you have to program 68 not 64 into XFRSIZ
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2016-12-19T19:31:43 < zyp> I'm not sure what document and revision you're looking at so your page number is useless to me, which section is that?
2016-12-19T19:32:21 < Thorn> RM0090 rev 13
2016-12-19T19:33:44 < Steffanx> section 4.3.5 ?
2016-12-19T19:33:52 < zyp> yeah, I'm not gonna redownload that
2016-12-19T19:34:14 < zyp> anyway, is this for OUT transfers?
2016-12-19T19:34:22 < Thorn> yes OUT
2016-12-19T19:34:38 < Thorn> section 34.17.6 Operational model
2016-12-19T19:34:44 < zyp> well, that's easy
2016-12-19T19:34:47 < zyp> «For OUT transfers, the transfer size field in the endpoint’s transfer size register must be a multiple of the maximum packet size of the endpoint, adjusted to the Word boundary.»
2016-12-19T19:35:18 < zyp> so it's rounding up to align
2016-12-19T19:35:37 < zyp> but the math looks wrong
2016-12-19T19:35:49 < zyp> i.e. you're right
2016-12-19T19:36:39 < zyp> 64 should not be rounded up to 68
2016-12-19T19:36:42 < Thorn> and you have to add 4 bytes for each additional packet
2016-12-19T19:36:55 < Thorn> if you're setting up a multi-packet transfer
2016-12-19T19:37:08 < zyp> add to where?
2016-12-19T19:37:55 < Thorn>  mpsiz = 64; n = 1 -> transfer size = 68
2016-12-19T19:38:00 < Thorn>  mpsiz = 64; n = 2 -> transfer size = 136
2016-12-19T19:38:01 < Thorn> etc.
2016-12-19T19:38:08 < Thorn> according to that formula
2016-12-19T19:38:24 < zyp> oh, yeah
2016-12-19T19:38:25 < zyp> wtf
2016-12-19T19:39:29 < zyp> hmm
2016-12-19T19:39:32 < Thorn> maybe it's because the core writes a word of internal data every time it writes something into rxfifo?
2016-12-19T19:39:39 < Thorn> there is talk about that elsewhere
2016-12-19T19:40:36 < zyp> well, the text only says adjusted to the word boundary, so I'd say somebody just got the alignment math wrong
2016-12-19T19:41:17 < zyp> 65 becomes 65 + 4 - 1 = 68
2016-12-19T19:41:21 < zyp> also 66 and 67
2016-12-19T19:42:02 < zyp> I'd argue that the right way to set it is n * ((MPSIZ + 1) & ~3)
2016-12-19T19:42:24 < zyp> no, wait
2016-12-19T19:42:35 < zyp> n * ((MPSIZ + 3) & ~3)
2016-12-19T19:42:36 < zyp> :)
2016-12-19T19:43:03 < Thorn> I guess I need to test OUT xfers with 60...64 bytes of data
2016-12-19T19:44:18 < zyp> it's sort of a moot point anyway, multi-packet transfers is only relevant for bulk and control, and bulk and control are restricted to aligned MPS anyway
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2016-12-19T19:44:59 < Thorn> you can't have multipacket control transfers?
2016-12-19T19:45:09 < zyp> I just said bulk and control
2016-12-19T19:45:26 < Thorn> oh sorry
2016-12-19T19:45:30 < zyp> but control MPS is always a multiple of 4
2016-12-19T19:45:44 < zyp> only valid values are 8, 16, 32 or 64
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2016-12-19T19:46:02 < zyp> anyway, this is relevant for single packet transfers too
2016-12-19T19:46:19 < zyp> if you make an interrupt or isochronous EP with an odd MPS
2016-12-19T19:46:48 < zyp> which is still kinda weird, but valid
2016-12-19T19:47:14 < zyp> apparently my stack doesn't handle it
2016-12-19T19:47:46 < Thorn> btw Figure 404 says XFRSIZ=64, PKTCNT=1
2016-12-19T19:47:59 < Thorn> not 68
2016-12-19T19:48:24 < zyp> yeah, like I told you, the expression is wrong
2016-12-19T19:49:24 <@englishman> eevblag forums are down
2016-12-19T19:53:59 < sync> onoz
2016-12-19T19:55:06 < zyp> Thorn, here's the same section from the dwc_otg programmer's guide: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/HRBl5.png
2016-12-19T19:56:12 < zyp> so I guess that the people editing that into ST's RM fucked up that section
2016-12-19T19:56:21 < Kliment> anyone used the HS peripheral on the F4 in HS mode?
2016-12-19T19:56:29 < zyp> Kliment, barely
2016-12-19T19:56:32 < zyp> why?
2016-12-19T19:56:48 < Kliment> zyp: I wanted to do that and wanted to know how much of a pain it is
2016-12-19T19:57:09 < zyp> compared to using it in FS? depends
2016-12-19T19:57:22 < Thorn> zyp: yeah that makes more sense. thanks
2016-12-19T19:57:51 < Kliment> zyp: I only need about 2x the speed of FS mode, so I'm not expecting the full 480Mb throughput or anything
2016-12-19T19:58:05 < Kliment> zyp: What kind of issues did you run into?
2016-12-19T19:58:16 < Kliment> zyp: And which PHY did you use?
2016-12-19T19:58:27 < zyp> Kliment, in a basic sense you just need to hook up the ULPI PHY, set the AF for those pins right and flip the PHYSEL bit
2016-12-19T20:00:09 < zyp> the part that might be actual work is that the USB spec imposes different rules for FS devices and HS devices
2016-12-19T20:00:30 < zyp> notably that bulk MPS must always be 64 for FS and 512 for HS
2016-12-19T20:00:46 < zyp> so you need configuration descriptor changes
2016-12-19T20:00:53 < Kliment> That seems manageable enough
2016-12-19T20:01:04 < Thorn> do you have to deal with PINGs and NYETs?
2016-12-19T20:01:13 < zyp> no, that's hub stuff
2016-12-19T20:01:32 < zyp> once enumerated it operates just like in FS mode
2016-12-19T20:02:25 < zyp> the part that'll be most work is the fact that the device can enumerate both as FS or HS depending on the port it's connected to
2016-12-19T20:03:06 < zyp> you can cheat and hardcode for HS, but I think the spec mandates that it's supposed to work at FS as well (at least serve an empty configuration, with an other speed descriptor saying what it's actually capable of)
2016-12-19T20:03:16 < zyp> I cheated.
2016-12-19T20:03:30 < Kliment> Are there any eval boards with a HS PHY?
2016-12-19T20:03:38 < zyp> I've got the waveshare one
2016-12-19T20:03:59 < Kliment> zyp: what's it called? and which part does it have?
2016-12-19T20:04:36 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/vV9Bt.JPG
2016-12-19T20:05:02 < zyp> so yeah, I were testing MSC over HS to sd card
2016-12-19T20:05:52 < Kliment> Does it work well? I want to do something similar (to SPI flash rather than SD)
2016-12-19T20:06:28 < zyp> work well in what sense? my code is pretty shitty :)
2016-12-19T20:06:37 < Kliment> I mean performance wise
2016-12-19T20:06:57 < Kliment> What kind of throughput are you getting?
2016-12-19T20:07:23 < zyp> that's where my shitty code comes in, it does single sector reads of the sd card, and the latency means any sort of throughput goes down the drain
2016-12-19T20:07:34 < Thorn> 4Kbytes of FIFO is not a lot given the 512 byte requirement
2016-12-19T20:08:22 < Kliment> I wantt 
2016-12-19T20:08:29 < Kliment> to do writes not reads
2016-12-19T20:09:20 < zyp> Thorn, enough for all five user endpoints, control EP and three 512B packets in the RXFIFO with some space left over
2016-12-19T20:10:26 < zyp> so unless you want to do isochronous you won't really have a real problem with FIFO space
2016-12-19T20:11:02 < zyp> and it has a DMA engine as well, so data doesn't have to stay in the FIFO for long
2016-12-19T20:11:11 < Kliment> zyp: is that the 407 board?
2016-12-19T20:11:21 < zyp> 407Z IIRC
2016-12-19T20:11:36 < zyp> I bought it quite a few years ago, I don't think they make that specific model anymore
2016-12-19T20:12:09 < zyp> last I checked it seemed like most of the boards they have now is split into a core module with the chip and a breakout board
2016-12-19T20:12:29 < Kliment> looks like it's still available
2016-12-19T20:12:36 < zyp> kinda silly way to do it, but I guess that saves them a few variants
2016-12-19T20:12:49 < zyp> url?
2016-12-19T20:13:22 < zyp> anyway, that board is awesome, it's the perfect testbed for all sorts of shit
2016-12-19T20:14:05 < Kliment> https://www.amazon.com/Waveshare-Package-STM32F407-Cortex-M4-Development/dp/B00KM6RFWI%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB00KM6RFWI
2016-12-19T20:15:27 < Steffanx> That's not the same, but .. simular.
2016-12-19T20:15:28 < zyp> wanna prototype some FSMC stuff? just make a board that plugs into the FSMC headers: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/48xnA.JPG
2016-12-19T20:15:30 < Steffanx> similar.
2016-12-19T20:15:53 < zyp> yeah, that's the new one with the MCU on a separate board plugged into the big one
2016-12-19T20:15:53 < Kliment> Thanks, I'll probably get one
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2016-12-19T20:16:40 < Thorn> would be cool if they had an f4 that supports sdram
2016-12-19T20:17:00 < Kliment> Thorn: they do
2016-12-19T20:17:04 < Steffanx> They have.
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2016-12-19T20:17:08 < Kliment> Thorn: 429
2016-12-19T20:17:08 < Thorn> I mean waveshare
2016-12-19T20:17:14 < Thorn> not ST lol
2016-12-19T20:17:20 < Steffanx> http://www.waveshare.com/product/mcu-tools/stm32/open429i-c-package-b.htm
2016-12-19T20:17:23 < Kliment> Thorn: Yeah they have a 429 board
2016-12-19T20:17:39 < Kliment> I gotta run, thanks zyp 
2016-12-19T20:17:46 < zyp> np
2016-12-19T20:18:02 < Thorn> oh cool (except for the price)
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2016-12-19T20:18:11 < Steffanx> F7 is there too.
2016-12-19T20:18:21 < zyp> Steffanx, that motherboard doesn't have the FSMC port though
2016-12-19T20:18:33 < zyp> only the NAND part of it
2016-12-19T20:18:41 < zyp> and LCD
2016-12-19T20:19:37 < Steffanx> probably because the cpu board has the sdram.
2016-12-19T20:19:55 < zyp> I suppose SDRAM over 100mil headers doesn't work all that well :)
2016-12-19T20:20:34 < zyp> ah, yeah
2016-12-19T20:20:35 < zyp> http://www.waveshare.com/product/mcu-tools/stm32/core/core429i.htm
2016-12-19T20:20:43 < zyp> 64Mb SDRAM on the core
2016-12-19T20:22:27 < Steffanx> What did mr Thorn pay for his Brymen ( and still happy with it?)
2016-12-19T20:28:17 < Rob235> "Configuration/HPS-to-FPGA user 0 clock frequency" (desired_cfg_clk_mhz) requested 100.0 MHz, but only achieved 97.368421 MHz
2016-12-19T20:28:19 < Rob235> why :(
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2016-12-19T20:30:08 < Thorn> Steffanx: $220.91 with shipping and VAT
2016-12-19T20:30:36 < Rob235> ohh ODT
2016-12-19T20:30:45 < Steffanx> And where was that Thorn?
2016-12-19T20:31:12 < Steffanx> was the BM869s i assume?
2016-12-19T20:31:16 < Thorn> tme.eu
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2016-12-19T20:37:56 < Steffanx> Hmm, not worth it it seems. Seems like its almost $250.
2016-12-19T20:38:02 < Steffanx> now
2016-12-19T20:38:37 < zyp> mine were $150 when I bought it, $180 shipped
2016-12-19T20:39:14 < Thorn> Steffanx: nope BM867s
2016-12-19T20:39:21 < Steffanx> ah, maybe that explains the price difference.
2016-12-19T20:39:55 < zyp> oh, wait, I missed what you were talking about
2016-12-19T20:40:01 < Steffanx> hah :P
2016-12-19T20:40:11 < zyp> I thought you were still talking about waveshare
2016-12-19T20:40:20 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/775839c5390014a92dd54033a479b944b9d94e6802773c398773e64680346c27.png
2016-12-19T20:41:27 <@englishman> everytime i go to tme.eu i see that damn stock image girl who's everywhere
2016-12-19T20:41:57 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-12-19T20:42:40 < Thorn> that $143 will be a lot more with vat and shipping
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2016-12-19T20:42:47 <@englishman> http://www.tme.eu/assets/shared/img/search-girl.png
2016-12-19T20:42:57 < BrainDamage> i read that as vape and shitting
2016-12-19T20:42:58 <@englishman> pretty sure there was a subreddit devoted to her
2016-12-19T20:43:04 < Laurenceb> lul "search-girl"
2016-12-19T20:43:21 < Laurenceb> link pls
2016-12-19T20:44:14 <@englishman> https://www.reddit.com/r/kerinportillo/
2016-12-19T20:44:16 <@englishman> ok different one
2016-12-19T20:46:38 < Steffanx> Better add here and be part of the reddit gang
2016-12-19T20:46:49 < Steffanx> *her
2016-12-19T20:47:21 <@englishman> https://www.reddit.com/r/stm32/
2016-12-19T20:48:21 < Steffanx> Did you read the topic Mr. operator?
2016-12-19T20:48:47 <@englishman> that was totally on topic.
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2016-12-19T20:49:28 < Laurenceb> NSFL  https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/0165386b6e44a472199bcb9501760c90a09a20a6ccb17f0e882a945ad252c02b.png
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2016-12-19T20:50:24 < ReadErr> NOT FUNNY LAURENCEB
2016-12-19T20:51:19 <@englishman> test
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2016-12-19T20:52:03 < aandrew> yeah I'm not clicking anything from Laurenceb when at the office
2016-12-19T20:52:15 < aandrew> especially when he takes the time to mark it NSFW
2016-12-19T20:52:29 < Steffanx> it could be much worse.
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2016-12-19T20:52:34 < Steffanx> *could've been
2016-12-19T20:52:51 < Steffanx> its like 3 red pixels and a greenish one.
2016-12-19T20:52:58 < Thorn> so if host does an IN transfer and device has nothing to send and NAKs it, will the host retry every frame or what?
2016-12-19T20:54:12 < zyp> more often, even
2016-12-19T20:54:31 < zyp> as long as the host doesn't have anything better to do, it'll keep polling
2016-12-19T20:56:54 < Thorn> nice
2016-12-19T20:57:14 < Thorn> btw has anyone tried sniffing USB with saleae?
2016-12-19T20:57:36 < zyp> mine isn't fast enough :p
2016-12-19T20:57:45 < zyp> (and I'd rather use the beagle)
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2016-12-19T21:25:30 < Rob235> figuring out how to set up clocks all over again.... actually I think its memory width issues
2016-12-19T21:31:55 < Rob235> hell yea, theres a tool to set up clocks and ddr3 for the board I'm getting
2016-12-19T21:32:41 < Rob235> fixed my error, wish I knew what was wrong though
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2016-12-19T21:43:16 < Thorn> does it make sense to allocate fifo size which is not a multiple of max pkt size?
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2016-12-19T21:48:40 < Laurenceb> I'm back
2016-12-19T21:49:30 < Steffanx> I'm front.
2016-12-19T21:51:27 < zyp> Thorn, depends what you're doing
2016-12-19T21:51:55 < Laurenceb> no homo
2016-12-19T21:52:52 < zyp> Thorn, I think there's some DMA tricks that could work with less than a packet in the FIFO, because it's filling the FIFO fast enough that it won't underflow
2016-12-19T21:54:05 < zyp> and then you could do some half-double buffering by fitting one and a half packet in the fifo
2016-12-19T21:54:33 < zyp> or your protocol could even require transfers that's not a multiple of MPS and you could set up the fifo to fit that
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2016-12-19T22:02:49 < Thorn> but as I understand if DIEPSIZx specifies say 1 packet and 64 bytes and the core can't find enough data in the FIFO it will NAK the xfer?
2016-12-19T22:03:37 < Thorn> even if some data is available
2016-12-19T22:16:41 < zyp> AFAIK yes, that's what I meant by FIFO flow control earlier
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2016-12-19T23:25:44 < Fleck> is this good value: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/commonly-used-200-kind-50-pcs-10000-pcs-0ohm-10m-1-0805-SMD-resistor-assorted-kit/32260424929.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.179.2FjSoD&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_116_10065_117_10068_114_115_113_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10037_10054_10059_10032_10099_10078_10079_10077_427_10103_10073_10102_10096_10052_10
2016-12-19T23:25:49 < Fleck> ?
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2016-12-19T23:50:54 < zyp> uh, the price is not bad, but I'm not sure I see the usefulness
2016-12-19T23:51:16 < zyp> and assumes you're using 0805
2016-12-19T23:52:31 < zyp> might be convenient to have a collection of everything in case you need to pull out a specific value for whatever, but 50 of a kind doesn't last long if you're using it for actual projects
2016-12-19T23:52:49 < zyp> you'll run out of the common shit like 1k and 10k fast
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2016-12-19T23:53:33 < Kliment> zyp: I think it's useful for having a bunch of values to try out
2016-12-19T23:54:02 < Kliment> zyp: I mean, I have a reel of 10k in 0603 and 0402 lying around, but I also have a handful of 0603 Rs and Cs in odd values
2016-12-19T23:54:32 < zyp> of course, I have various values that's left over from projects
2016-12-19T23:55:24 < zyp> and sometimes I have to get creative to test other values: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/3QJ4w.JPG
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2016-12-19T23:59:49 < Thorn> if (USB_INEP(ep)->DIEPINT & USB_OTG_DIEPINT_TXFE && USB_DEV->DIEPEMPMSK & (1 << ep)) { }
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2016-12-20T00:18:07 <@englishman> thats cheating, those are 0603
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2016-12-20T01:33:49 < upgrdman> wtf. coworkered needed to open a rar that contains some pdfs, doesnt know wtf a rar is. i show him how to install 7zip and then right-click > 7zip > extract here. he's happy. then he comes back an hour later asking why 7zip can convert some DWG files into pdfs. try to explain what an archive is, and he just doesnt fucking get it. arrrgh! :/
2016-12-20T01:34:01 < ohsix> buns
2016-12-20T01:34:06 < upgrdman> s/can/cant
2016-12-20T01:34:11 < ohsix> upgrdman: haha
2016-12-20T01:34:14 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-20T01:34:23 < ohsix> that's called uh, taking the wrong point away or something huhu
2016-12-20T01:34:37 < ohsix> osx hides zip access p. good, and safari unzips stuff for you
2016-12-20T01:34:42 < upgrdman> he thinks 7zip is some magical anyting2pdf converter
2016-12-20T01:34:48 < ohsix> right
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2016-12-20T01:43:17 < ohsix> and what an obscure name 7zip would be for such a thing
2016-12-20T01:43:34 < ohsix> saw pid video
2016-12-20T01:43:56 < ohsix> it was good, all i kept thinking is what it would look like with a slower plant
2016-12-20T01:44:05 < ohsix> i need to make a little heater demo thing huhuh
2016-12-20T01:44:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, thanks. ya i just wanted to finish up the robot so i could move on and have a finished project
2016-12-20T01:45:03 < ohsix> yup
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2016-12-20T01:45:13 < ohsix> saw how all the questions you asked in the timeframe fit into the bot huhu
2016-12-20T01:45:20 < upgrdman> now im splitting my fucking-off-time between f469disco dicking and blender learning
2016-12-20T01:45:55 < ohsix> and the update to the grapher thing
2016-12-20T01:45:59 < ohsix> taken together it's a lot of work
2016-12-20T01:46:18 < upgrdman> also, much rage. google drive limits file sizes to 5GB each, and onedrive limits file sized to 2GB each.
2016-12-20T01:46:35 < upgrdman> there goes my plan to shove a VM in my gDrive
2016-12-20T01:46:38 < ohsix> even with paid junk?
2016-12-20T01:46:40 < upgrdman> ya
2016-12-20T01:46:52 < ohsix> well, you can do that
2016-12-20T01:46:54 < upgrdman> i have 1TB of onedrive via work office365 contract
2016-12-20T01:47:03 < ohsix> split the vm into 2gb chunks like vmware normally does
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2016-12-20T01:47:34 < ohsix> maybe smaller so it syncs better
2016-12-20T01:47:46 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i tried this, it the files are >2GB each despite their own docs saying they should be 2GB each... https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2006898
2016-12-20T01:48:01 < ohsix> they're probably limiting file sizes due to delta storage stuff and access rather than trying to keep l33t dvdripz off their services
2016-12-20T01:48:21 < ohsix> hm sec
2016-12-20T01:48:22 < upgrdman> and i see no flag in the help for that exe to let me specify the file size explicitly
2016-12-20T01:48:35 < ohsix> the tool that lets you convert vmdk's can be told to use a certain size but i don't remember the name of it
2016-12-20T01:49:12 < ohsix> had to convert an osx disk after it embiggened
2016-12-20T01:50:15 < ohsix> hm wtf no it really does say the 2gb disks are a 'type'
2016-12-20T01:51:04 < upgrdman> guess i could just say fuck it and create a new vm from scratch. maybe it doesnt like some setting in my vm
2016-12-20T01:52:13 < ohsix> i can't find qemu-img or vdiskmanager in my command history
2016-12-20T01:52:52 < ohsix> you can always do something dum if you use a lunix, a fuse fs that changes backing file sizes
2016-12-20T01:53:09 < upgrdman> this is a win10 vm for a win10 guest
2016-12-20T01:53:16 < ohsix> i think there's one that can use gmail/amazon s3/drive/everything all at once
2016-12-20T01:53:20 < ohsix> sux
2016-12-20T01:53:42 < upgrdman> basically just a try-random-shit-here VM for things i dont want to defile my prestine host os with
2016-12-20T01:54:06 < ohsix> actually just deleted the split vm from ssd cuz i needed the space to recover chrome
2016-12-20T01:54:33 < upgrdman> i should look into syncthing again
2016-12-20T01:54:47 < ohsix> for whatever reason i thought compaction would work better and use less disk if they were split
2016-12-20T01:54:48 < upgrdman> and just host my own "cloud storage"
2016-12-20T01:54:53 < ohsix> it doesn't, uses the same damn amount
2016-12-20T01:55:25 < Jak_o_Shadows> I am vaguely ok at blender. I've probably played around with the game engine more than most. I once had a physical platform all wired up, and when I moved it, it moved in blender
2016-12-20T01:55:33 < ohsix> you can't put it on a usb3 drive or something? that's what i do on the one i use the most ... but that is still really rare
2016-12-20T01:56:19 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i was looking into getting one of those 1TB usb3 memory sticks. but i kinda wanna be lazy and not carry around physical media
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2016-12-20T01:56:28 < ohsix> shruggin
2016-12-20T01:56:38 < ohsix> you can also use it as a known good os, which is what i have it for
2016-12-20T01:56:47 < ohsix> if i need to do somethign 'important' on a weird foreign computer
2016-12-20T01:57:17 < ohsix> 1tb flash drive sounds like a liability lul
2016-12-20T01:57:25 < ohsix> costco had lexar 128gb ones for 30$
2016-12-20T01:57:35 < ohsix> i got two of those, thoguh i'm not using them for vms
2016-12-20T01:58:26 < ohsix> there's always a risk of loss tho
2016-12-20T01:58:41 < ohsix> i keep it in my backpack
2016-12-20T02:01:15 < ohsix> you can try and be clever and have the tf in your phone have one o nit or something
2016-12-20T02:04:32 < ohsix> i dunno how any of the desktop sync things would work for something like a vm image huhu, they aren' tread through or special filesystems, how do you have consistency across all the files
2016-12-20T02:04:40 < ohsix> other than just 'waiting'
2016-12-20T02:04:53 < ohsix> even if you power off the vm it could take a long time for the local copy to get anywhere
2016-12-20T02:10:04 < ohsix> Thorn: dunno in the fifo case, but having the length be a prime number has all sorts of 'benefits'
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2016-12-20T02:10:22 < ohsix> in this case, mostly that nothing will fit so you can exercise the code paths better
2016-12-20T02:15:01 < ohsix> lul trying to find someone giving similar advice and failing, this must be one of the places where people who don't know any math wouldn't be doing it
2016-12-20T02:16:27 < ohsix> hoho but there are people using primes in knapsack problems which are analagous
2016-12-20T02:46:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> I once looked at something quite similar to a knapsak problem
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2016-12-20T03:08:25 < ohsix> google berlin
2016-12-20T03:08:40 < ohsix> those tiles are unsettling
2016-12-20T03:09:00 < ohsix> google maps also shows a 'crisis area' and some other shit
2016-12-20T03:21:56 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CelQRR_W4AATExv.jpg
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2016-12-20T04:21:56 < upgrdman> http://www.gifbin.com/bin/112016/brazilian-police-searches-suspect.gif
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2016-12-20T05:03:44 < dongs> quality links
2016-12-20T05:06:52 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131726954289 hm
2016-12-20T05:07:05 < ohsix> this thing would be neat if you cuold use it to get power off at n voltage too
2016-12-20T05:08:28 < ohsix> qc3 can supply arbitrary voltage between 5 and 15 or something
2016-12-20T05:09:00 < ohsix> 3.6-12/20
2016-12-20T05:09:06 < ohsix> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NCP4371-D.PDF
2016-12-20T05:26:04 < ohsix> huhuhu @ daves voice shifted up by that sony video editor junk
2016-12-20T05:48:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> I just got another blue pill stm32F103C8T6 in the mail.
2016-12-20T05:48:39 <@englishman> sorry to hear that :(
2016-12-20T05:48:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> I figure since I have gotten one working once, now I can just use them as my default cheap uC
2016-12-20T05:56:49 < dongs> once you black you never go back
2016-12-20T05:57:35 < Jak_o_Shadows> Is this in reference to a dev board?
2016-12-20T05:57:42 < dongs> stm32 is like that huge black cock you just cant stop craving
2016-12-20T05:58:36 < Jak_o_Shadows> ah. Well, it's sorta that I never managed to get a nice toolchain for the msp430s
2016-12-20T05:58:53 < dongs> thats because it doesnt exist
2016-12-20T05:58:59 < dongs> crap composter studio? PLZ
2016-12-20T06:00:49 < dongs> if only there was a cheap bluepill-like F0 board
2016-12-20T06:00:59 < dongs> then you could be completely legal wiht F0-keil which is free and unlimited
2016-12-20T06:01:07 < dongs> and have proper tools to use
2016-12-20T06:01:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> I don't entirely get the different ranges. Like, M3/M4 I get, but the M0s?
2016-12-20T06:01:50 < dongs> just cheap, suposedly, but only works out if its really cehap and high volume
2016-12-20T06:06:13 <@englishman> stm32f103 is 10 years old, st has already paid for it, so now its cheap
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2016-12-20T06:15:00 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0EuC3aWEAIE5RC.jpg:large lul
2016-12-20T06:15:23 < ohsix> jadew: ya they're gr8
2016-12-20T06:15:24 < ohsix> er
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2016-12-20T06:16:39 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*ohsix*@*] by englishman
2016-12-20T06:17:29 < dongs> what was happening? autism?
2016-12-20T06:17:48 <@englishman> laurenceb-quality linking
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2016-12-20T06:59:02 < stvn> make stm32 great again englishman 
2016-12-20T06:59:06 < stvn> +lildongs
2016-12-20T06:59:19 <@englishman> stvn: 
2016-12-20T06:59:32 <@englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoHDnY6gyhg
2016-12-20T06:59:55 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*ohsix*@*] by englishman
2016-12-20T07:00:24 < stvn> that's kinda sad man, i feel sorry for mousey
2016-12-20T07:00:36 < stvn> but good cat action ^_^
2016-12-20T07:01:18 <@englishman> yeah mousey blood everywhere
2016-12-20T07:01:32 < ohsix> that link was funny cuz it was dum as hell and from splc
2016-12-20T07:01:44 < stvn> ohsix, make stm32 great again
2016-12-20T07:01:58 < stvn> post quality cats or stm32 stuff
2016-12-20T07:02:28 <@englishman> https://i.sli.mg/QwOfox.jpg
2016-12-20T07:02:51 < dongs> combine cats AND stm32
2016-12-20T07:02:54 < stvn> is it dead there?
2016-12-20T07:02:56 <@englishman> this cat is probably a better stm32 programmer than me
2016-12-20T07:03:20 < stvn> true, my new desktop background now
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2016-12-20T07:14:39 < ohsix> sup stvn
2016-12-20T07:14:42 < ohsix> i thoguht you quit life
2016-12-20T07:14:51 < stvn> nah just went on a 3 day drug binge
2016-12-20T07:14:56 < stvn> had no time for irc
2016-12-20T07:15:10 < ohsix> werd
2016-12-20T07:15:20 < ohsix> xmas blows, need to set stuf fup next year so i'm more busy
2016-12-20T07:15:33 < stvn> mmm
2016-12-20T07:16:02 < ReadErr> stvn: what did you do m8
2016-12-20T07:16:12 < stvn> cocaine, mdma
2016-12-20T07:16:16 < ReadErr> word
2016-12-20T07:16:20 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/112232018837 ..
2016-12-20T07:16:38 < stvn> looks comfortable dongs 
2016-12-20T07:16:46 < dongs> yes
2016-12-20T07:17:01 < stvn> http://www.ebay.com/itm/OFFICIAL-CONTROLLER-PAD-SHVC-005-Nintendo-Super-Famicom-Japan-SNES-SFC-/162301143147
2016-12-20T07:17:05 < stvn> this even better
2016-12-20T07:17:17 < stvn> innovative round edges
2016-12-20T07:17:37 < dongs> err, i have that one, the real thing
2016-12-20T07:17:44 < stvn> same
2016-12-20T07:19:35 < dongs> it works OK in USB  host mode on asddroid
2016-12-20T07:20:45 < ohsix> non square pixel art
2016-12-20T07:21:07 < ohsix> why do they just think making the edges like that is pixel art
2016-12-20T07:22:29 < stvn> sfc is good on CRT monitor + rgb cable
2016-12-20T07:25:34 < ohsix> https://hackaday.io/project/7860-nyan-board
2016-12-20T07:30:15 < stvn> the doctor said i shouldn't drink
2016-12-20T07:31:47 < ohsix> why
2016-12-20T07:31:55 < ohsix> heh
2016-12-20T07:32:00 < ReadErr> why not go bluetooth\
2016-12-20T07:32:06 < ohsix> have you seen The Living Wake (it's ok, nobody did)
2016-12-20T07:32:07 < ReadErr> if its for a lamedroid gamepad
2016-12-20T07:32:16 < stvn> android has games?
2016-12-20T07:32:29 < ReadErr> apparently
2016-12-20T07:32:29 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ijfI_-TX84
2016-12-20T07:32:36 < stvn> shit
2016-12-20T07:32:38 < ohsix> but remember, the common man drinks
2016-12-20T07:32:51 < ReadErr> you can do that android tv shit too
2016-12-20T07:32:57 < ohsix> those 1578 views are just me showing this to people over the years
2016-12-20T07:33:02 < stvn> okay ReadErr 
2016-12-20T07:33:13 < stvn> my housemate has a chromecast
2016-12-20T07:33:16 < ReadErr> no, its not okay
2016-12-20T07:33:27 < stvn> we watched rick and morty
2016-12-20T07:33:50 < ohsix> that's ok
2016-12-20T07:34:05 < ReadErr> im watching that now
2016-12-20T07:34:06 < ohsix> they're beauracrats, i don't respect them
2016-12-20T07:34:16 < ohsix> need to rewatch
2016-12-20T07:34:34 < ohsix> mr meeseeks was funny the first time
2016-12-20T07:34:47 < ohsix> the shit with the golf and the freezer in the restaurant, snooooooore
2016-12-20T07:35:05 < ohsix> ReadErr: seen white rabbit project junk yet?
2016-12-20T07:35:13 < ReadErr> nah 
2016-12-20T07:35:22 < ohsix> there wasn't anything else to watch so the secnod episode is playing
2016-12-20T07:35:27 < ohsix> so meh
2016-12-20T07:35:38 < ReadErr> yea its at the back of my queue of shit to watch
2016-12-20T07:35:51 < ohsix> it looks like every science show that flamed out in a few episode
2016-12-20T07:36:04 < ohsix> s
2016-12-20T07:36:51 < dongs> 14:32 < ReadErr> why not go bluetooth\
2016-12-20T07:36:51 < dongs> 14:32 < ReadErr> if its for a lamedroid gamepad
2016-12-20T07:36:54 < dongs> uhhhh lag bro
2016-12-20T07:37:02 < stvn> how many millasecnod?
2016-12-20T07:37:07 < ohsix> watch one i guess, one of the episodes in the middle, it's not going to move up in queue
2016-12-20T07:37:43 < ohsix> they don't do anything, i don't get what the fackin' point was
2016-12-20T07:38:00 < dongs> way too many
2016-12-20T07:38:20 < ohsix> it's HID bruh, real low
2016-12-20T07:38:42 < ohsix> my ps2->usb adapters died
2016-12-20T07:38:59 < ReadErr> the mind adjust if theres no jitter
2016-12-20T07:38:59 < ohsix> they can't handle being plugged in over and over, and there was too much current on my laptop usb ports
2016-12-20T07:39:10 < ohsix> mind can't go back in time tho
2016-12-20T07:39:46 < ohsix> the controllers are polled at a lower rate than they are polled for input/send frames to the host
2016-12-20T07:39:56 < ohsix> oh w8
2016-12-20T07:39:57 <@englishman> i only buy the finest diamond plated oxygen free Monster bluetooth cables
2016-12-20T07:40:15 < ReadErr> you see that one xbox controller is like 150$
2016-12-20T07:40:18 < ReadErr> or some crazy shit
2016-12-20T07:40:25 < ReadErr> its the 'elite' version
2016-12-20T07:40:29 < ohsix> one thing that is kind of orthogonal to the bluetooth latency junk, is wifi interfering with it
2016-12-20T07:40:54 < ohsix> i'm so bored i just want to go to sleep, but i'd be up at like 5am huhuuh
2016-12-20T07:41:13 < ReadErr> get some drugs & booze
2016-12-20T07:41:18 < ReadErr> thats why god invented them
2016-12-20T07:44:23 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-20T07:44:24 < ohsix> A Bluetooth HID device should send an input reports asynchronously whenever one or
2016-12-20T07:44:25 < ohsix> more fields in the report change.
2016-12-20T07:44:31 < ohsix> harder to find out minimal time on that
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2016-12-20T07:50:01 < ohsix> heh hid has its own protocol on bt to schedule radio updates and 'sniff' intervals
2016-12-20T07:50:05 < ohsix> bluetooth is so lame
2016-12-20T07:50:47 < ohsix> thought i could figure out reasonable lower bound but everything is going to depend on the host and device way too much
2016-12-20T07:54:18 < dongs> can new eagle open all old versions
2016-12-20T07:54:21 < dongs> pre-xml etc
2016-12-20T07:54:24 < dongs> or do I need to keep around an old copy
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2016-12-20T07:57:55 < ohsix> ReadErr: lots of voice overs and only one of the personalities miming to a high tech piece of plastic that they turn into a tv or video phone in post
2016-12-20T07:59:04 < ohsix> they 'rank' the stories, it's almost as bad as those spiketv shows where people guess about hypothetical battles with hypothetical weapons
2016-12-20T08:01:11 < upgrdman> heh, gtx1080-as-space-heater works nicely. rending a walk cycle idea for a centipede robot... pc's getting toasty.
2016-12-20T08:01:18 < upgrdman> *rendering
2016-12-20T08:05:15 < dongs> i thought the whole point of 1080 was that you dont have to wait to render shit
2016-12-20T08:05:19 < dongs> and get over 9000fps
2016-12-20T08:05:21 < dongs> in everything
2016-12-20T08:05:47 < stvn> nah thats the hyper super mega extreme gold platinum 32gb version
2016-12-20T08:05:54 < stvn> $5000
2016-12-20T08:06:03 < dongs> heh bullshit
2016-12-20T08:06:15 < dongs> pal bought quadro M4000 or someshit or maybe M5000 and my 1070 is faster
2016-12-20T08:06:25 < stvn> absolutely
2016-12-20T08:07:00 < stvn> nvidia sell quadro saying 'built for CAD'
2016-12-20T08:07:00 < ohsix> but is it certified for workstation use????//
2016-12-20T08:07:08 < stvn> dunno if its true rofl
2016-12-20T08:07:17 < ohsix> and does it have ecc memory
2016-12-20T08:08:23 < stvn> i had this convo about 6 months ago with a friend who uses vectorworks
2016-12-20T08:08:31 < stvn> gaming gpu or 4x the price for quadro
2016-12-20T08:09:09 < ohsix> gaming gpu isn't even a plausible choice tho
2016-12-20T08:09:17 < ohsix> would be nice if you could get by with one tho
2016-12-20T08:10:10 < upgrdman> ohsix, why couldnt they for cad?
2016-12-20T08:10:26 < ohsix> cuz dassault or whoever doesn't certify the game cards
2016-12-20T08:10:36 < ohsix> they still could, it's not like they fuck up often
2016-12-20T08:10:42 < upgrdman> and no cert == will refuse to use gpu?
2016-12-20T08:10:48 < stvn> computed aided dogshit
2016-12-20T08:11:03 < ohsix> lul nothing like that anymore, that used to be the case with 3ds (before MAX)
2016-12-20T08:11:17 < ohsix> there's some features they might not use, but i dunno
2016-12-20T08:11:33 < ohsix> workstations are srs shit
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2016-12-20T08:11:58 < upgrdman> hmm the lighting in the Blender Cycles renderer is nice. motion blur looks ~perfect too
2016-12-20T08:12:05 < upgrdman> not like it matter for this walk cycle, but still
2016-12-20T08:12:15 < ohsix> 'cad' modern shit is going to involve a lot of double precision and the jobs will be long/big enough to imply ECC
2016-12-20T08:13:01 < upgrdman> oh is the cad shit using gpu for compute? or just GUI drawing?
2016-12-20T08:14:20 < ohsix> only maya uses it for gui drawing
2016-12-20T08:14:32 < ohsix> i think some do menus with gl instead of overlays
2016-12-20T08:14:45 < ohsix> but yea if they're doing fea or any of that junk it'll be gpu compute
2016-12-20T08:15:05 < upgrdman> o ok, ya for that i can see wanting dickstation gpu with doubles
2016-12-20T08:15:22 < ohsix> yea
2016-12-20T08:15:52 < ohsix> dunno if the chips are actually binned on the nvidia side tho, don't really know anything anymore actually huhuhu; but you used to be able to use nvstrap to enable quadro features and they'd work on other gpus
2016-12-20T08:16:25 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-20T08:16:29 < ohsix> for binning you'd put the better bins for double on the workstation side, since it doesn't really matter for the game side
2016-12-20T08:16:33 < emeb_mac> zyp: ping
2016-12-20T08:16:39 < ohsix> 100% jerk speculation
2016-12-20T08:17:55 < ohsix> watching The Grand Tour, the nerds just changing the car settings that do stance and camber and brake angles and junk all via motors, that shit is dumb cool
2016-12-20T08:18:01 < stvn> do not worry, I will fix it.
2016-12-20T08:18:13 < ReadErr> its like the N-word and the C-word had a baby, and that baby was raised by all the bad words for jews
2016-12-20T08:18:34 < stvn> a shekel for the good goy
2016-12-20T08:19:14 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*ohsix*@*] by englishman
2016-12-20T08:20:11 < dongs> let's STM32
2016-12-20T08:21:33 <@englishman> under what circumstances would spi as slave not reset its bit pointer
2016-12-20T08:21:37 < jpa-> why is my code crashing with undefinstr
2016-12-20T08:22:06 < ReadErr> You cant spell STM32 without esteem
2016-12-20T08:22:37 < dongs> englishman: what "bit pointer'?
2016-12-20T08:22:45  * emeb_mac is interested in trying out an STM32F722 but they're still vaporware
2016-12-20T08:23:01 <@englishman> like, bit in 8/10 bits of a byte
2016-12-20T08:23:36 < dongs> if you terminate DMA early you have to wait for complete or busy flag or something or else you won't get all the bits on time
2016-12-20T08:23:49 < jpa-> englishman: master does that if you randomly change the registers without disabling the spi first
2016-12-20T08:23:51 < dongs> er i mean.. if you disable peripheral/dma right after receive done
2016-12-20T08:25:26 <@englishman> yes dma is disabled etc
2016-12-20T08:25:39 <@englishman> but pal suspects ssi also has to be disabled
2016-12-20T08:27:05 < upgrdman> first attempt at a centipede walk cycle turned out decent-ish    http://farrellf.com/temp/centipede_walk_cycle.gif
2016-12-20T08:27:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, ^
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2016-12-20T08:28:08 < dongs> .. gif
2016-12-20T08:28:27 < upgrdman> you want a .mkv or someshit?
2016-12-20T08:28:49 < dongs> APNG
2016-12-20T08:29:16 < dongs> or even better, BPG
2016-12-20T08:29:41 <@englishman> whats a .gif
2016-12-20T08:29:47 < upgrdman> this
2016-12-20T08:29:49 < upgrdman> first attempt at a centipede walk cycle turned out decent-ish    http://farrellf.com/temp/centipede_walk_cycle.gif
2016-12-20T08:29:49 <@englishman> sounds like usenet-era trash
2016-12-20T08:30:06 < dongs> i once brought a floppy full of porn .gifs to my job in alaska
2016-12-20T08:31:14 < upgrdman> gifs-gone-wild
2016-12-20T08:31:31 <@englishman> now you can put all 1.44mb in sram on a stm32
2016-12-20T08:31:33 < dongs> upgrdman: your shit looks kinda fucked up, the far side legs done move
2016-12-20T08:31:53 < dongs> or is that just an illusion
2016-12-20T08:32:00 < upgrdman> illusion
2016-12-20T08:32:02 < upgrdman> one sec
2016-12-20T08:32:11 < dongs> the one on the left
2016-12-20T08:35:55 < upgrdman> dongs, http://farrellf.com/temp/centipede_walk_cycle_screencast.mp4
2016-12-20T08:36:32 < dongs> lunix dekstop
2016-12-20T08:36:53 < upgrdman> win10 you faggot
2016-12-20T08:36:58 < upgrdman> look at the bottom
2016-12-20T08:38:34 < dongs> you didnt even disable that fucking button
2016-12-20T08:38:37 < dongs> whatever the shit it does
2016-12-20T08:38:45 < upgrdman> what button
2016-12-20T08:38:48 < dongs> 'task view'
2016-12-20T08:39:01 < dongs> next to start
2016-12-20T08:39:02 < upgrdman> oh ya i should unpin that bitch
2016-12-20T08:39:11 < dongs> no its right click taskbar -> disable taskview
2016-12-20T08:39:11 < upgrdman> i already have that tried to mouse button #6
2016-12-20T08:39:19 < dongs> er show taskview
2016-12-20T08:39:29 < dongs> what the fuck is it?
2016-12-20T08:39:30 < dongs> same as win-tab?
2016-12-20T08:39:58 < dongs> yes..
2016-12-20T08:39:58 < dongs> useless.
2016-12-20T08:40:00 < upgrdman> dunno. i have taskview connected to a mouse button below my thumb
2016-12-20T08:40:12 < dongs> thats a waste of button
2016-12-20T08:40:17 < dongs> i ahve those mapped to layer+/- in altidumb
2016-12-20T08:40:26 < upgrdman> i use the fuck out of it. especially with multiple desktops
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2016-12-20T08:42:07 < upgrdman> why has englishbro been dolling out the +q's a lot recently
2016-12-20T08:42:26 <@englishman> you want one too bro
2016-12-20T08:42:35 < ReadErr> oh lovely
2016-12-20T08:42:36 < upgrdman> lol not really
2016-12-20T08:42:39 < upgrdman> but why?
2016-12-20T08:42:41 < ohsix> haha
2016-12-20T08:42:41 < dongs> 15208 Fixed a bug where Select Next (tab) does not work for No Net Objects. (BC:7313)
2016-12-20T08:42:42 < ReadErr> did you guys get the /notice ?
2016-12-20T08:42:44 < dongs> fuck yes
2016-12-20T08:42:45 < dongs> i THOUGHT that was a bug.
2016-12-20T08:42:52 < dongs> i.e. tab on board outline on gko
2016-12-20T08:43:01 < ReadErr> https://freenode.net/news/PSA-brief-update-infra
2016-12-20T08:43:05 < dongs> yes
2016-12-20T08:43:41 < ohsix> is it trump related
2016-12-20T08:43:50 < ReadErr> yea
2016-12-20T08:44:29 < ohsix> nice (also, nice to actual content)
2016-12-20T08:44:45 < ohsix> they're some good chaps
2016-12-20T08:44:58 < ohsix> not like yahoo that kept 'hacks' they were aware of out of the news for like 5 years
2016-12-20T08:45:00 <@englishman> dongs did you come across my bug bounty worthy bug yet
2016-12-20T08:45:12 < ReadErr> cool that PIA sponsors freenode
2016-12-20T08:45:12 <@englishman> il disclose for a free license
2016-12-20T08:45:36 < dongs> do they evne have a bug bounty
2016-12-20T08:45:39 <@englishman> no
2016-12-20T08:45:45 <@englishman> cheap aussie fucks
2016-12-20T08:46:31 < dongs> more like cheap chinese/Sanfagcisco fucks
2016-12-20T08:46:35 < dongs> they havent been in au for a hwile now
2016-12-20T08:46:48 < ReadErr> I thought they moved back last year
2016-12-20T08:46:49 < ReadErr> or this year
2016-12-20T08:46:56 < ohsix> are they in sf? will have to take picture with butt out near sign
2016-12-20T08:47:59 <@englishman> how can they afford to be in sf without a .io domain
2016-12-20T08:48:12 < ohsix> they're not in sf, just close
2016-12-20T08:48:22 < ohsix> you can make a living in sf delivering food
2016-12-20T08:48:39 < ohsix> (i spoke to some people delivering food, if i move there and fail at the internet that's what i'll be doing)
2016-12-20T08:49:34 < ohsix> ahaha not close a tall
2016-12-20T08:49:42 <@englishman> you can make a killing in aleppo delivering food
2016-12-20T08:49:43 < ohsix> they're further from sf than i am currently, they're in san diego
2016-12-20T08:49:44 < ReadErr> SD vs SF
2016-12-20T08:49:46 < ReadErr> way far
2016-12-20T08:49:50 < ohsix> yea
2016-12-20T08:50:01 < ohsix> pal lives in SD too, considered that as second leg on sf trip
2016-12-20T08:52:13 < ohsix> need to do touristy drive around
2016-12-20T08:57:08 < ohsix> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/drivers/hid/hid-over-i2c-guide
2016-12-20T08:57:10 < ohsix> neat
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2016-12-20T09:02:54 < Thorn> if I have class Foo; Foo foo; then I do uint8_t* data = cast<uint8_t*>&foo; and then in another piece of code I do uint32_t* data2 = cast<uint32_t*>data; do I break aliasing rules?
2016-12-20T09:05:26 < jpa-> https://github.com/ChibiOS/ChibiOS/blob/577d33e5301ad23a3ef46811fcb20218d81e8f0e/os/hal/ports/STM32/STM32F4xx/hal_lld.c#L294   bah, why isn't this errata mentioned anywhere else
2016-12-20T09:06:30 < ohsix> Thorn: stuff it into gcc.godbolt.org
2016-12-20T09:06:31 < dongs> wat
2016-12-20T09:06:38 < jpa-> Thorn: in the first one, perhaps for a very strict interpretation, but in general char* is allowed to alias; in the latter, yes, you do, because you cast Foo into uint32_t
2016-12-20T09:06:40 < ohsix> default gcc should warn about aliasing problems
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2016-12-20T09:07:16 < ohsix> jpa-: haha wat
2016-12-20T09:07:23 < jpa-> (the C standard isn't completely clear whether uint8_t is allowed to alias, but in general it is an alias for unsigned char so it is)
2016-12-20T09:07:31 < ohsix> they don't mention flash cache errors?
2016-12-20T09:07:56 < jpa-> ohsix: you knew about it? i don't see any mention  http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/errata_sheet/0a/98/58/84/86/b6/47/a2/DM00037591.pdf/files/DM00037591.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00037591.pdf
2016-12-20T09:08:00 < ohsix> i guess 'old' might mean uncirculated or something
2016-12-20T09:08:11 < ohsix> jpa-: nah first i'm seeing it
2016-12-20T09:08:22 < jpa-> well.. i have several A revision chips and have seen the failure in the wild
2016-12-20T09:08:27 < ohsix> i dont' know what counts as errata or if that'd be something they would overlook, it's a biggy
2016-12-20T09:08:36 < jpa-> only now i happened to look into chibios source (even though i'm not using it here)
2016-12-20T09:08:55 < ohsix> oh hrm ya that isn't even st code
2016-12-20T09:10:17 < ohsix> am i likely to figure out what 'compiler optimization' part caused the problem easily, dunnom uch about chibios
2016-12-20T09:10:41 < ohsix> doesn't even say what instructions or anything, assuming there's a mailing list thread
2016-12-20T09:12:07 < ohsix> i see 2.1.1 in the errata
2016-12-20T09:12:15 < jpa-> it's very random and hard to trace; if the code layout in flash changes, it suddenly starts working
2016-12-20T09:12:17 < ohsix> The ART Accelerator prefetch queue instruction is not supported on revision A devices.
2016-12-20T09:12:35 < ohsix> is it an actual instruction the optimizer might insert?
2016-12-20T09:13:54 < jpa-> hmm, i wonder what instruction that would be
2016-12-20T09:14:12 < ohsix> 'not supported' -> if you do it crashes. not an unusual situation it seems
2016-12-20T09:14:23 < jpa-> nah, it is not that deterministic
2016-12-20T09:14:38 < ohsix> sure, i mean i've seen that language cover a hard to find bug
2016-12-20T09:14:44 < jpa-> yeah
2016-12-20T09:15:02 < ohsix> if they couldn't document a workaround they can just say don't do it
2016-12-20T09:15:05 < jpa-> but i can't seem to figure out what that "ART accelerator prefetch queue instruction" even is
2016-12-20T09:15:21 < ohsix> yea it wouldn't be an instruction, it's supposed to be transparent
2016-12-20T09:15:45 < ohsix> it's probably in terms of the ip and that might be documented somewhere
2016-12-20T09:16:22 < jpa-> hmm, chibios keeps prefetch on but disables caches
2016-12-20T09:17:35 < ohsix> they aren't exactly generous with the details
2016-12-20T09:17:49 < ohsix> if you knew how to measure it they couldn't use it fo rmarketing the way they do, heh
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2016-12-20T09:19:12 < jpa-> i've looked at that errata dozens of times and always thought that there is some CPU instruction that causes it to prefetch data
2016-12-20T09:19:24 < jpa-> but maybe it indeed means that one shouldn't enable the prefetch buffer at all
2016-12-20T09:23:15 < jpa-> looks like disabling prefetch does indeed fix it
2016-12-20T09:26:09 < ohsix> you found a way to make it happen?
2016-12-20T09:26:24 < ohsix> there is probably an arm instruction implied there, or a set of them
2016-12-20T09:27:24 < ohsix> with gcc you can set optimization options at the function level, can you a/b and get two sets of instructions (working/not)
2016-12-20T09:33:23 < Thorn> I don't see any workaround in HAL. it's controlled by DATA_CACHE_ENABLE and INSTRUCTION_CACHE_ENABLE in stm32f4xx_hal_conf.h
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2016-12-20T09:33:48 < Thorn> both are 1 by default
2016-12-20T09:35:11 < ohsix> http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/break-points/4440388/On-wait-states
2016-12-20T09:35:20 < ohsix> talks about storing prefetched junk from branches
2016-12-20T09:38:57 < ohsix> lul someone mentioned s2 of 'the man in the high castle' being redundant now, seeing nazi symbols on busses and people is still pretty cute
2016-12-20T09:43:15 < jpa-> ohsix: i had a device and a software build that reliably crashed on boot; if code layout in flash was changed, it stopped crashing, but i was able to patch just the FLASH_ACR config value
2016-12-20T09:43:22 < Thorn> what is idcode 0x20006411 anyway?
2016-12-20T09:43:41 < Thorn> it's not anything covered by rm0090
2016-12-20T09:43:54 < jpa-> Thorn: seems cache being on is ok, and it is prefetch that should be disabled
2016-12-20T09:44:09 < jpa-> and the revision A id code is also in errata, "wrong id code" :)
2016-12-20T09:44:40 < Thorn> but they set FLASH_ACR_PRFTEN in all cases in that chibios code
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2016-12-20T09:44:51 < jpa-> yes, IMO the chibios code is wrong
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2016-12-20T09:53:20 < Thorn> well PREFETCH_ENABLE is also 1 in my hal_conf.h and my idcode is 2000 6411 and optimization level is -Og and I'm not crashing
2016-12-20T09:53:44 < Thorn> do I need higher opt levels to reproduce?
2016-12-20T09:53:59 < upgrdman> what kind of music is this in the background. kinda neat, imagine it'd be good for coding fuckery.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3f7NEQr9FE
2016-12-20T09:55:07 < Thorn> chillout/lounge/ambient
2016-12-20T09:55:15 < ohsix> Thorn: that's what the chibios code suggests
2016-12-20T09:55:16 < Thorn> I guess
2016-12-20T09:55:36 < ohsix> Thorn: if it is related to branching then the branching level and how quickly (per n instructions) you fill other slots might be the problem
2016-12-20T09:56:01 < dongs> too beat-y for ambient
2016-12-20T09:56:54 < jpa-> Thorn: it is very rare, this is the second time i've seen it happen in 3 years of use
2016-12-20T09:57:07 < dongs> upgrdman: di.fm/goapsy for coding muzak
2016-12-20T09:58:03 < jpa-> Thorn: it seems it needs 1) a specific layout of code in flash memory and 2) a sequence of fast jumps between several functions
2016-12-20T09:59:13 < ohsix> loool google music identified that song as like 5 different things
2016-12-20T09:59:22 < ohsix> one was 'mmm mmm mmm mmm' by the crash test dummies
2016-12-20T09:59:26 < ohsix> that's why theyr'e the best at content id
2016-12-20T10:00:44 < ohsix> upgrdman: you can try and find it in the youtube music library
2016-12-20T10:02:16 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6syHZtKvKE0 that seems like a ton of work
2016-12-20T10:04:14 < upgrdman> heh, funny how that channel i found uses different music for different manufacturing shit. this vid has african tribe music playing while some color folk make pots  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNEcoBdIsnc
2016-12-20T10:10:35 < stvn> okay
2016-12-20T10:12:44 < dongs> why they dont list nubmer of subscribers
2016-12-20T10:12:56 < upgrdman> because secret
2016-12-20T10:13:33 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJmi7WmZFrA japs
2016-12-20T10:14:56 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqh4jubo9B4 from their main page
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2016-12-20T10:16:26 < dongs> how the shit does that even work without cooling
2016-12-20T10:17:00 < ohsix> lul so many of thse songs sound like midis from back in the day
2016-12-20T10:17:24 < ohsix> upgrdman: i have some more of that music but i'm not likely to find it unless i find out what the genre on taht video was lul
2016-12-20T10:17:31 < dongs> oh theres some spray visible later
2016-12-20T10:17:33 < ohsix> been a long time since i knew my muzak collection :[
2016-12-20T10:17:45 < upgrdman> bummer
2016-12-20T10:17:54 < ohsix> there are people on twitter tha tknow what the cocteau twins are and other 4ad records and poop, couldn't even say which my favorites were
2016-12-20T10:19:01 < Fleck> [23:52:31] <zyp> might be convenient to have a collection of everything in case you need to pull out a specific value for whatever <<<< exactly why I need them!
2016-12-20T10:20:57 < upgrdman> hmmm. china vendor keeps asking me to review more of their shits. wonder if i could come up with a use for some GPS module.
2016-12-20T10:21:09 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McSbsZbQWTk africa music
2016-12-20T10:21:24 < ohsix> which gps module?
2016-12-20T10:21:24 < upgrdman> maybe made an ardunio controlled centipede that crawls into an someones anus at a specific latitude and longitude
2016-12-20T10:21:35 < ohsix> i was thinking of getting some sparse gps traces and see what i could mine from them
2016-12-20T10:21:51 < ohsix> google does a lot of neat shit with sparse samples
2016-12-20T10:22:03 < ohsix> you could probably do some of it without the privacy conerns
2016-12-20T10:22:09 < upgrdman> ohsix, one of these maybe  http://www.icstation.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=gps&search_in_description=1&osCsid=c0bcf8feee0b37120d168885b08540ee
2016-12-20T10:22:10 < Kliment> ohsix: You can use it as a clock source
2016-12-20T10:22:54 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/ti1O-Xastmg?t=4m39s
2016-12-20T10:24:47 < upgrdman> i kinda wanna play with that lynx's tail
2016-12-20T10:26:48 < ohsix> upgrdman: hoho the song plays more than once
2016-12-20T10:26:54 < ohsix> i can figure out the length
2016-12-20T10:27:13 < ohsix> Kliment: BORING
2016-12-20T10:27:31 < ohsix> Kliment: also there's these fm radios that can do rds that have time available (iirc) for like 10c each huhu
2016-12-20T10:28:03 < dongs> it would bite your cock right off
2016-12-20T10:28:07 < upgrdman> is huhu a laugh?
2016-12-20T10:31:33 < ohsix> k no idea
2016-12-20T10:31:38 < ohsix> message them and find out
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2016-12-20T10:31:51 < ohsix> upgrdman: something a brazillian we all knew back in the day would do/say
2016-12-20T10:31:57 < ohsix> but yea, basically
2016-12-20T10:33:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: that song sounds like tons of songs at once :<
2016-12-20T10:34:12 < ohsix> it's all of the songs, it almost seems like i could pick out the vocal sample cuz i've heard it before
2016-12-20T10:36:14 < upgrdman> :(
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2016-12-20T10:40:33 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-20T10:40:40 < ohsix> once it gets rave-y that's all super cliche
2016-12-20T10:41:09 < ohsix> upgrdman: dunno what to do with gps really, not enough to justify 10$ of getting one or whatever at least
2016-12-20T10:41:43 < ohsix> are they specific about what they want you to review?
2016-12-20T10:41:45 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i know. but theyre only offering their cheap electronics modules. and nothing seems interesting.
2016-12-20T10:41:56 < ohsix> also are you disclosing it on the youtubs huhu
2016-12-20T10:42:00 < upgrdman> i already got a 10dof and a couple cc2500/pa/lna modules from them for free
2016-12-20T10:42:01 < Kliment> ohsix: There was a bot at EMF with a GPS receiver that divided the campsite into 20x20m squares or so and then would have a different tune for each square
2016-12-20T10:42:09 < Kliment> ohsix: and would ask you to move it around
2016-12-20T10:42:35 < ohsix> Kliment: i saw a neat video about turning pictures to sound using space filling curves that was like that
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2016-12-20T10:43:14 < ohsix> preserving locality of features and junk
2016-12-20T10:47:46 < ohsix> hm icstation has cheap heaters
2016-12-20T10:48:05 < ohsix> upgrdman: planning on buying some of these radar things http://www.icstation.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=radar&search_in_description=1
2016-12-20T10:48:14 < ohsix> they're new-ish and ultracheap, 5.8ghz or whatever
2016-12-20T10:48:36 < upgrdman> what for? proximity detection?
2016-12-20T10:49:04 < ohsix> yea
2016-12-20T10:49:09 < upgrdman> ohsix, pro tip: icstation seems to just be like aliexpress + markup. look elsewhere ;)
2016-12-20T10:49:27 < ohsix> right, on ebay; just looking here cuz they're sending you junk
2016-12-20T10:49:34 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-20T10:49:56 < ohsix> markup is kind of ok if it's only slightly more trustworthy than $aliperson ;]
2016-12-20T10:52:54 < ohsix> dunno man get an bench power supply or something off them, not much to 'review' per-se
2016-12-20T10:54:05 < upgrdman> theyre only offering free modules (e.g. $15 or less)
2016-12-20T10:54:16 < ohsix> oh wait you want this right here http://www.icstation.com/barking-music-yelp-voice-module-diytoy-p-8080.html
2016-12-20T10:54:19 < upgrdman> i asked for their $300 hexapod robot, and she declined
2016-12-20T10:54:57 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-20T10:55:12 < ohsix> there's a lot of cost in all those servos
2016-12-20T10:55:30 < ohsix> if you had them i know a guy that could cut wood/plastic parts lul, but it would cost more than getting one from china
2016-12-20T10:55:44 < ohsix> he's actually waiting on me thinking about smoe junk to do
2016-12-20T11:00:54 < dongs> lol
2016-12-20T11:01:46 < dongs> if only o6 would actually do something with all the junk he can get for free/cehap
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2016-12-20T11:02:21 < ohsix> https://a.wattpad.com/userbg/Porsie.2202.jpg
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2016-12-20T11:05:44 < ohsix> upgrdman: you got the bluetooth module from them didn't you
2016-12-20T11:06:11 < ohsix> <dirk gently> everything is connected
2016-12-20T11:07:50 < upgrdman> ohsix, actually i got my bt uart like 3 years ago from some random fuck on amazon.
2016-12-20T11:08:01 < upgrdman> and its hc05 or hc06, and it sucks
2016-12-20T11:08:20 < upgrdman> sometimes you have to power cycle it before it will connect, if it losses a connection
2016-12-20T11:12:52 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-20T11:13:00 < ohsix> yea that's one of the reasons i haven't got one
2016-12-20T11:13:14 < ohsix> it almost seems easier to use some shitty radio 
2016-12-20T11:26:29 < dongs> man wtf htis is the second toshiba laptop hdd i have to fix thats fucking dead
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2016-12-20T11:37:02 < ohsix> still a perfect record
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2016-12-20T11:42:57 < karlp> did someone say cocteau twins? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3diz8I0AVVk
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2016-12-20T11:44:21 < ohsix> you dig em?
2016-12-20T11:44:29 < ohsix> that's awesome
2016-12-20T11:44:49 < ohsix> i'm not a huge fan of anything but i listened the crap out of all their stuff
2016-12-20T11:45:02 < ohsix> always seemed like a thing nobody else would know about or like, guess it still is
2016-12-20T11:45:22 < ohsix> i found it mining for dreampop back in the day
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2016-12-20T11:47:21 < ohsix> ooh this mortal coil is in suggests, i dug their stuff a bunch, but only in the last 3 years; found out it was goth muzak :[
2016-12-20T11:48:25 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwdAxA4K-Cc will refrain from posting more cuz i think the tracks on that album are all pretty great
2016-12-20T11:49:07 < ohsix> very much sooth
2016-12-20T11:50:44 < ohsix> i think i'll set aside next weekend just to listening to music, huhu; doesn't seem to happen otherwise
2016-12-20T11:52:01 < ohsix> k better jet
2016-12-20T11:54:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/590IYzU.jpg
2016-12-20T11:59:20 < stvn> good spotting
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2016-12-20T12:28:31 < stvn> go on, give us another one.
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2016-12-20T13:17:34 < kakimir> bag of dicks for dongs
2016-12-20T13:18:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/PCB-designer-expert-KICAD-ONLY/ attk kakimir 
2016-12-20T13:19:20 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Vaping-electronic-circuit-board-design/ finally a project i can happily accept
2016-12-20T13:20:07 < stvn> sweet
2016-12-20T13:22:24 < emeryth> remember to keep your traces subohm
2016-12-20T13:31:21 < c10ud^> which crystal would you recommend for a stm32l0 running at full speed? e.g. 32mhz
2016-12-20T13:31:41 < c10ud^> i'd go for 8mhz, but I don't know if ie. 12 would be better for the internal periph clocking
2016-12-20T13:31:53 < c10ud^> i don't have cube here to try
2016-12-20T13:33:33 < kakimir> you need to look what multiplier divider results in 32 with 12mhz
2016-12-20T13:34:43 < c10ud^> 12*8/3 should be doable
2016-12-20T13:34:44 < kakimir> or whatever are the steps of clock generation in your chip
2016-12-20T13:35:01 < kakimir> is 12*8 in acceptable range?
2016-12-20T13:35:27 < kakimir> some reason all those demoboards and such use 12mhz crystal.. price?
2016-12-20T13:36:39 < c10ud^> uhh i don't know really, just wondering what would be the best solution sw and and cost wise :)
2016-12-20T13:36:48 < c10ud^> I will just download cube then
2016-12-20T13:37:22 < Steffanx> 8 or 16 are pretty common, i think.
2016-12-20T13:37:42 < jpa-> how many units are you making? if less than a few thousand, just go with 8 MHz if you don't have any different nees
2016-12-20T13:37:44 < Steffanx> But you want low power? Im not sure what is best then
2016-12-20T13:37:57 < kakimir> I always use highest crystal mhz possible
2016-12-20T13:38:02 < c10ud^> nah this is just a prototype board 
2016-12-20T13:38:11 < kakimir> hope to get lowest clock jitter
2016-12-20T13:38:27 < kakimir> maybe it's a false belief
2016-12-20T13:38:37 < stvn> blow it out your ass
2016-12-20T13:38:39 < Steffanx> Kakimir and his beliefs
2016-12-20T13:38:45 < c10ud^> lol
2016-12-20T13:38:52 < kakimir> Steffanx activated
2016-12-20T13:38:54 < Steffanx> Did your EE guru talk to you again?
2016-12-20T13:38:59 < kakimir> no
2016-12-20T13:39:17 < Steffanx> :P
2016-12-20T13:39:24 < jpa-> i'd expect if you use PLL then the jitter of the VCO will dominate.. but i haven't studied it in detail either
2016-12-20T13:40:14 < Steffanx> You have holidays soon right?
2016-12-20T13:40:36 < Steffanx> Perfect xmas study.
2016-12-20T13:41:08 < jpa-> nah, too busy with sauna etc.
2016-12-20T13:41:29 < kakimir> I don't even know what I need low jitter for
2016-12-20T13:41:44 < kakimir> I'm bothered with unrelevant details
2016-12-20T13:42:03 < karlp> c10ud^: higher freq will be cheaper in smaller packages, if that matters.
2016-12-20T13:42:14 < karlp> 8/12/16/20/24 are all common and cheap though really.
2016-12-20T13:42:41 < c10ud^> well i was just looking at through hole 0.20€/1pc 
2016-12-20T13:42:45 < karlp> there's a filed called "crystal-parts.txt" in the zypsnips if you can read the topic :)
2016-12-20T13:42:46 < c10ud^> shit's big though
2016-12-20T13:43:21 < karlp> the tldr is 12/24 will be cheaper and smaller than 8.
2016-12-20T13:43:35 < stvn> fkyeah
2016-12-20T13:43:48 < c10ud^> I see, anyway not a big deal here, just a proto board
2016-12-20T13:46:52 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s4lDmZlmBo music times
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2016-12-20T13:47:42 < karlp> ah, what a surprise, lua crc32 and python crc32 aren't the same
2016-12-20T13:49:36 < jpa-> it's annoying why there are so many different CRC algorithms
2016-12-20T13:49:58 < dongs> hojw the fuck can they fuck up CRC32? do they all choose a different polynomial or something
2016-12-20T13:50:27 < kakimir> jpa-: but isn't there like one these mcus all use?
2016-12-20T13:51:01 < karlp> i've got crc in stm to match with python binascii.crc32.
2016-12-20T13:51:04 < jpa-> the ethernet CRC32 is relatively common yeah
2016-12-20T13:51:12 < karlp> had to use fucking rbit shit in stm32 code, but that's ok.
2016-12-20T13:51:19 < jpa-> though even that you can fail by different padding
2016-12-20T13:51:23 < karlp> just trying to make lua crc32 match python now really.
2016-12-20T13:51:26 < jpa-> and yeah, bit order also
2016-12-20T13:51:56 < jpa-> karlp: try a few CRC's, and take XOR.. if they are close enough you can just use a magic constant and XOR that with the final CRC value
2016-12-20T13:52:23 < jpa-> works for typical inversion etc. differences
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2016-12-20T15:05:10 < kakimir> i = ((int16_t)(fixedpoint->point_place) - (int16_t)(fixedpoint->digit_count));
2016-12-20T15:05:18 < kakimir> point place is 5
2016-12-20T15:05:21 < kakimir> digit count is 10
2016-12-20T15:05:45 < kakimir> i results in 65531
2016-12-20T15:05:56 < jpa-> how fixed is fixed point if the digit count and point place are variable?
2016-12-20T15:05:57 < kakimir> changed type of i to int16_t
2016-12-20T15:06:11 < kakimir> it is representation format
2016-12-20T15:06:18 < kakimir> not actual variable
2016-12-20T15:06:42 < kakimir> and don't ask..
2016-12-20T15:06:59 < kakimir> it's actually more like float that fixed point
2016-12-20T15:08:16 < kakimir> is there some glitch in compiling of binary that uint16_t hasn't updated into int16_t
2016-12-20T15:09:02 < kakimir> user error...
2016-12-20T15:09:09 < kakimir> wrong function i
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2016-12-20T15:59:21 < karlp> wtf.  lua and python agree on a 4 byte sample file crc.  disagree on my real bins.
2016-12-20T16:02:05 < jpa-> karlp: maybe it is the padding issue when data length is not divisible by 4?
2016-12-20T16:03:21 < karlp> I guess. but they're doign the same thing for 7 byte sample data too.
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2016-12-20T17:17:18 < karlp> heh, lua-zlib binding crc32 doesn't match python zlib32 binding.
2016-12-20T17:17:21 < karlp> w.t.f
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2016-12-20T17:34:21 < karlp> must be something related to byte wise or wordwise
2016-12-20T17:42:20 < gxti> there's also several choices of polynomial
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2016-12-20T17:43:55 < karlp> yeah, but shouldn't be when they're both binding to zlib to actually do it.
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2016-12-20T20:50:50 < Steffanx> So activity.. All in xmas holiday mode/
2016-12-20T20:58:53 < qyx> drawing hard
2016-12-20T21:00:12 < qyx> abusing a timer OC to directly drive two n-fets to become an open-loop push-pull converter for RS485 isolator
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2016-12-20T21:21:41 < kakimir> audi basic tiptronic automatic gearbox with 3.0litre TDI in front of it how many kilometers until blow?
2016-12-20T21:22:03 < kakimir> some early 2000's A6 B6 or so
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2016-12-20T21:30:27 <@englishman> 150-200
2016-12-20T21:33:56 < Steffanx> automatic.. are you a man or what?
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2016-12-20T21:34:20 < zyp> Steffanx, oh fuck off
2016-12-20T21:34:50 < Steffanx> Hah, lol zyp <3
2016-12-20T21:34:55 < BrainDamage> it's not about elitism, automatic is boring
2016-12-20T21:35:34 < PaulFertser> Get a motorbike if you want non-boring, duh.
2016-12-20T21:35:38 < Steffanx> I would mind to go automatic. Driving is boring anyway
2016-12-20T21:35:53 < Thorn> zyp: my libusb_claim_interface() error was because I had bConfigurationValue=0 in my descriptor
2016-12-20T21:36:04 < zyp> oh, haha
2016-12-20T21:36:24 < Thorn> apparently interfaces can be 0 but not configurations
2016-12-20T21:36:26 < zyp> well, index 0 is valid for interfaces, but not much else
2016-12-20T21:36:27 < zyp> :p
2016-12-20T21:36:43 < Thorn> I got interrupt-driven multipacket bulk xfers working
2016-12-20T21:37:02 < zyp> well, it's pretty natural, config 0 is the default unconfigured state
2016-12-20T21:37:49 < Thorn> that's what libusb docs say. But I was getting the set_config request with wValue=0 from windusb (I think)
2016-12-20T21:38:02 < Thorn> before I fixed the descriptor
2016-12-20T21:38:14 < zyp> well, sure, you can go back to unconfigured
2016-12-20T21:38:29 < zyp> it's weird windows even accepted the device though
2016-12-20T21:38:55 < zyp> but yeah, that explains why you got not found errors
2016-12-20T21:39:07 < zyp> because the config weren't active
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2016-12-20T22:46:13 < kakimir> Steffanx: for my gf
2016-12-20T22:50:50 < Steffanx> ok kakimir. :)
2016-12-20T22:51:25 <@englishman> early 2000 audi b6 tdi... trouble
2016-12-20T22:51:42 <@englishman> automatic... more trouble
2016-12-20T22:52:03 <@englishman> $5k for the car and another $5k for trans within 2y
2016-12-20T22:52:33 < Steffanx> Depends on how many km you drive i guess? I only do like ~20k per year.
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2016-12-20T22:53:21 < Steffanx> (mainly because dutchland is a small country and everything is nearby)
2016-12-20T23:10:36 < kakimir> englishman: I thought so
2016-12-20T23:11:37 < kakimir> 2.5TDI has the most expensive faults whole vw-group can offer
2016-12-20T23:12:03 < kakimir> meaning that early 2000s V6
2016-12-20T23:13:52 <@englishman> anything with 4 rings on it will be beaten to death by an 18 year old
2016-12-20T23:14:12 <@englishman> who thinks hes jason statham in the transporter
2016-12-20T23:14:37 < kakimir> I didn't destroy one
2016-12-20T23:21:56 < Steffanx> Lolyou chinese. Download a tools CD for some F429, get "free" iar.
2016-12-20T23:22:08 < Steffanx> and keil.
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2016-12-20T23:23:11 < Thorn> and a government trojan
2016-12-20T23:23:24 < Steffanx> probably.
2016-12-20T23:41:56 < kakimir> I destroyed one BMW for sure
2016-12-20T23:43:51 < Steffanx> Uh? What did you do to the poor car?
2016-12-20T23:45:35 < kakimir> took it into woods
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2016-12-21T00:42:24 < upgrdman> anyone know how to do jtag boundary scan of a device (not necessarily an stm32) ? i found a BSDL for the chip i have.
2016-12-21T00:42:37 < upgrdman> would this be part of the programmer software? or something scriptable?
2016-12-21T00:43:30 < Thorn> or something expensive
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2016-12-21T01:03:56 < Fleck> so I ended here: https://hastebin.com/mevapemaja.css
2016-12-21T01:04:00 < karlp> qyx: how does your rs485 isolator work?!
2016-12-21T01:04:05 < Fleck> how do I know what interrupt caused that?
2016-12-21T01:04:11 < Fleck> bt says nothing in gdb...
2016-12-21T01:05:00 < karlp> there's some vector state decoders in zypsnips
2016-12-21T01:07:37 < Fleck> not in hardfault karlp :D
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2016-12-21T02:05:30 < upgrdman> so im looking at a jtag state diagram. is TMS eval'd every TCK to switch states?
2016-12-21T02:08:41 < zyp> that's the point, yes
2016-12-21T02:09:02 < upgrdman> ya, jsut verifying if im understand it right
2016-12-21T02:10:13 < Fleck> zyp, any ideas?I ended here: https://hastebin.com/mevapemaja.css | your vecstate reply: https://hastebin.com/ozoqogihul.vbs
2016-12-21T02:11:27 < Fleck> OTG_HS_WKUP_IRQn            = 76
2016-12-21T02:11:36 < Fleck> not using OTG... :/
2016-12-21T02:12:03 < zyp> uh, what's the current output of «info registers»?
2016-12-21T02:12:43 < zyp> also, look at IRQn 60
2016-12-21T02:12:52 < Fleck> https://hastebin.com/bufaloyiya.lisp
2016-12-21T02:13:06 < Fleck> 60 makes more sense
2016-12-21T02:13:41 < Fleck> why 60 ?
2016-12-21T02:13:55 < zyp> because IRQ0 is vector 16
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2016-12-21T02:14:22 < Fleck> dooh
2016-12-21T02:15:19 < zyp> first 16 vectors are special; reset, initial stack, NMI and a bunch of exceptions
2016-12-21T02:16:09 < zyp> got completely separate priority and mask settings in the NVIC
2016-12-21T02:18:40 < Fleck> what do you mean?
2016-12-21T02:21:41 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/interrupt/interrupt.h#n36
2016-12-21T02:21:49 < zyp> interrupts and exceptions
2016-12-21T02:22:09 < zyp> see set_priority() further down in that file
2016-12-21T02:22:26 < zyp> for exceptions it's set in SCB.SHPR, for IRQs it's set in NVIC.IPR
2016-12-21T02:25:05 < zyp> so there's two types of interrupts, and both go into the same vector table
2016-12-21T02:25:12 < zyp> which is why IRQ0 starts at vector 16
2016-12-21T02:25:52 < zyp> $ipsr refers to the vector number, which equals the index in the vector table, holding both
2016-12-21T02:26:00 < zyp> so vector 76 is IRQ60
2016-12-21T02:26:28 < Fleck> yep, got it :D
2016-12-21T02:26:36 < Fleck> no audio output tho :(
2016-12-21T02:26:39 < zyp> and vector 3 is hardfault, while IRQ3 is RTC, at vector 19
2016-12-21T02:27:08 < zyp> hmm, was it you asking about how to do i2s the other day?
2016-12-21T02:27:17 < Fleck> yes ;(
2016-12-21T02:27:26 < zyp> how far have you got?
2016-12-21T02:27:57 < Fleck> still no sound :D trying audio HAL example...
2016-12-21T02:28:06 < zyp> have you got the PLLI2S set up right?
2016-12-21T02:29:11 < Fleck> BSP_AUDIO_OUT_Init(...) return OK
2016-12-21T02:29:33 < zyp> okay, I'm not familiar with any example/SDK functions
2016-12-21T02:29:33 < Fleck> that in turn enables all kinds of stuff
2016-12-21T02:30:22 < Fleck> also clock config is there
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2016-12-21T02:30:49 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/main.cpp <- I just know how to do I2S with plain register setup :)
2016-12-21T02:31:05 < Fleck> :D
2016-12-21T02:31:23 < stvn> probably the wisest way to do it
2016-12-21T02:31:39 < zyp> that code was written for the original f4disco
2016-12-21T02:31:53 < stvn> yeah the great f4 disco
2016-12-21T02:31:59 < zyp> stvn, yeah, that's my experience at least
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2016-12-21T02:33:27 < zyp> messing around with various unfamiliar libs tends to add a bunch of complexity and abstraction layers while being poorly documented
2016-12-21T02:33:45 < zyp> whereas if you're touching the regs directly, you can just reference the RM
2016-12-21T02:34:06 < zyp> instead of digging through the code to figure out what it does so you can figure out how you're using it wrong
2016-12-21T02:34:46 < zyp> of course, that's not true all the time
2016-12-21T02:34:58 < stvn> it doesn't even seem like a human being threw it together
2016-12-21T02:35:17 < Fleck> still, I agree, hate when you read RM, then look at HAL and have no clue, what is what ;D
2016-12-21T02:35:26 < zyp> exctly
2016-12-21T02:36:19 < __rob> HAL i've found pretty useful to get the 3-4 registers you actually need to set
2016-12-21T02:36:23 < __rob> then go to the ref manual
2016-12-21T02:37:02 < __rob> normally a few lines of code in the HAL that are the crux of it, and saves you scrolling around the pdf to find the the right register
2016-12-21T02:37:26 < zyp> my philosophy is that abstraction layers has to add simplicity to be worthwhile over plain register access
2016-12-21T02:38:01 < zyp> a lot of stuff is just mapping straight over what the registers do and rewording it, so you still have to do the same just written in a different way
2016-12-21T02:38:59 < kakimir> snprintf %d format does tricky stuff with unsigned int
2016-12-21T02:39:11 < zyp> anyway, this was not meant as a philosophical discussion, I blame stvn 
2016-12-21T02:39:17  * stvn waves
2016-12-21T02:39:32 < zyp> kakimir, yeah? just like %u does with signed int?
2016-12-21T02:39:49 < Fleck> zyp: anyway, I have no clue how to check - where it's stuck now :D so... meh... no hardfault, loops in main() no sound
2016-12-21T02:40:18 < zyp> Fleck, investigate the chain
2016-12-21T02:40:47 < zyp> source data -> DMA -> I2S -> codec -> analog audio out
2016-12-21T02:40:58 < zyp> somewhere along that chain it stops
2016-12-21T02:41:30 < Fleck> source data is in QSPI, QSPI is in mem map mode
2016-12-21T02:41:57 < zyp> DMA could be misconfigured, I2S might not be triggering DMA properly, I2S might not be clocked properly, GPIO might be mapped wrong, codec chip might not be enabled and unmuted
2016-12-21T02:42:13 < Fleck> yeah
2016-12-21T02:42:21 < zyp> so anyway, I'd start by looking at the DMA, check if it's running
2016-12-21T02:42:39 < Kliment> I'd start by looking at whether there's data on the bus
2016-12-21T02:42:43 < zyp> are you using circular? if so just check the counter register with the debugger to see that it's changing
2016-12-21T02:43:25 < Fleck> hdma_sai_tx.Init.Mode                = DMA_CIRCULAR;
2016-12-21T02:43:30 < zyp> Kliment, if DMA is running, that's what I'd do next
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2016-12-21T02:57:17 < emeb> haha - getting the HAL SAI stuff to work with DMA is a huge PITA
2016-12-21T02:58:08 < emeb> sure helps to have a 'scope so you can look at the I2S bus and see what's happening.
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2016-12-21T02:58:33 < Thorn> another reason to avoid HAL: you don't get to learn how peripherals work so you can't do anything when they don't do what you want
2016-12-21T03:00:14 < __rob> zyp my biggest problem is that they cover every case with large if else blocks that can't get optimized out
2016-12-21T03:00:35 < __rob> so when your only using a distinct feature, you end up using a ton of flash on useless code
2016-12-21T03:01:23 < __rob> the abstraction apart from that is ok i think
2016-12-21T03:01:26 < __rob> mostly seems to work
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2016-12-21T03:02:01 < Fleck> crap, 3AM, bed time...
2016-12-21T03:02:55 < zyp> __rob, LTO could fold them out
2016-12-21T03:03:32 < __rob> but you cant remove code that depends on runtime parameters as to whether it executes or not
2016-12-21T03:03:44 < __rob> so lto or not, you still get a load of bloat
2016-12-21T03:05:41 < zyp> well, if it depends on runtime parameters, what else could you do?
2016-12-21T03:05:51 < __rob> yea, nothing
2016-12-21T03:06:42 < zyp> when I started writing my lib, LTO weren't available in the embedded toolchains
2016-12-21T03:06:52 < zyp> so I designed all shit like that to be inlineable
2016-12-21T03:07:05 < __rob> perhaps if all of their init structs were declared constant and populated when initialized the optimizer could spot that and remove some if else blocks..
2016-12-21T03:07:07 < __rob> maybe.
2016-12-21T03:07:41 < zyp> that's harder to do sanely in C than in C++
2016-12-21T03:07:54 < zyp> in C++ you could have constructors initializing everything
2016-12-21T03:08:36 < __rob> well I mean doing const somestruct = {a,b,c}
2016-12-21T03:09:56 < __rob> would be a perfect place to use c++ and templates tho
2016-12-21T03:10:11 < __rob> could get exactly and only the code you need
2016-12-21T03:11:19 < __rob> could basically be as small as using the registers
2016-12-21T03:14:25 < zyp> there's no reason code folding couldn't look at struct foo_t foo; foo_init(&foo); foo_something(&foo);, and assuming that foo_something is getting inlined, looks at foo and folds the inlined code
2016-12-21T03:16:04 < zyp> it's just a question of how deep the code folder looks, since the pointer indirection adds some depth
2016-12-21T03:18:30 < Fleck> zyp: NDTR is changing
2016-12-21T03:18:55 < zyp> good, that means DMA-triggering is working
2016-12-21T03:19:06 < zyp> do you have a scope?
2016-12-21T03:19:15 < Fleck> yep
2016-12-21T03:20:11 < zyp> check that master clock is outputting 12.228MHz or whatever it's supposed to be
2016-12-21T03:20:29 < zyp> then check the other lines
2016-12-21T03:21:05 < zyp> I'd trigger on WS while looking at SD to verify you're sending varying data too, not just the same sample over and over
2016-12-21T03:21:24 < zyp> if all that looks good, the codec chip isn't initialized correctly
2016-12-21T03:21:50 < Fleck> trigger on WS?
2016-12-21T03:22:33 < zyp> wait, LRCLK
2016-12-21T03:22:52 < zyp> or was that the same?
2016-12-21T03:24:21 < Fleck> SAI2_FSA
2016-12-21T03:25:10  * stvn throws a teapot to englishman 
2016-12-21T03:29:08 < Fleck> one needs to find testpoint for those lines zyp :D
2016-12-21T03:41:04 < emeb_mac> ws = lrck
2016-12-21T03:41:28 < emeb_mac> = fs
2016-12-21T03:41:34 < emeb_mac> so many names
2016-12-21T03:56:28 < zyp> right
2016-12-21T03:56:49 < zyp> I got unsure for a moment if I were mixing protocols
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2016-12-21T05:06:48 < dongs> ;hello internet faggots
2016-12-21T05:20:57 < emeb_mac> electronic bundles of sticks
2016-12-21T05:21:09 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrHAXlXcZFg how the fuck does this cunt have any time to do actual work
2016-12-21T05:21:15 < dongs> if hes doing 1hr videos of shitty product reviews
2016-12-21T05:22:23 < emeb_mac> you can tell he's super-pro because gloves
2016-12-21T05:23:21 < emeb_mac> I'm probably going to die from lead poisoning due to not wearing gloves.
2016-12-21T05:23:43 < emeb_mac> that and from chewing on lead organ pipes when I was a kid...
2016-12-21T05:29:01 < upgrdman> my recorder + disney play book arrived. i can play Mary Had a Little Lamb... and that's about fucking it.
2016-12-21T05:31:46 <@englishman> you mean the 20mins per day he spends replacing some diode on a toasted macbook
2016-12-21T05:31:56 <@englishman> for $400
2016-12-21T05:32:15 <@englishman> why do you think he went to blogging? Because he's so busy?
2016-12-21T05:33:17 <@englishman> emeb_mac: you will die from lead poisoning due to using 1880s era leaded solder. The rest of the world has moved on.
2016-12-21T05:34:06 < emeb_mac> englishman: fuck ROHS
2016-12-21T05:34:23 <@englishman> why?
2016-12-21T05:34:58 < emeb_mac> Pb 4 evah
2016-12-21T05:35:21 <@englishman> sounds like something Hitler would say
2016-12-21T05:35:38 < emeb_mac> Bingo! We have Godwin.
2016-12-21T05:35:47 <@englishman> another retired relic from the past
2016-12-21T05:37:15 < upgrdman> the gimbals on rc aircraft radios, anyone know of a source for cheap gimbals other than to buy a whole hobbyking radio and pull them out?
2016-12-21T05:40:19 < ReadErr> cheap or decent?
2016-12-21T05:40:24 < ReadErr> robotshop maybe 
2016-12-21T05:40:36 < ReadErr> aloft will have the taranis ones
2016-12-21T05:40:39 < ReadErr> which are okay
2016-12-21T05:40:51 < ReadErr> robotshop has the aurora9 ones which are nice
2016-12-21T05:41:11 < ReadErr> i wouldnt go below a taranis one tho
2016-12-21T05:43:00 < ReadErr> why is that fuck wearing nitrile gloves
2016-12-21T05:44:12 < upgrdman> those a9 gimbals look decent
2016-12-21T05:44:31 < aandrew> heh
2016-12-21T05:44:51 < aandrew> finally identified those fucking lipo connectors used on the smaller drones (hubsan and walkera) - they're fucking molex connectors not JST
2016-12-21T05:44:57 < aandrew> the bigger drones use JST
2016-12-21T05:48:30 < ReadErr> "we got this little rubber mat for the station"
2016-12-21T05:51:35 < ColdKeyboard> I'm learning HAL, what's wrong with this part?
2016-12-21T05:51:36 < ColdKeyboard> HAL_UART_Transmit(USART1, (uint8_t*)"Test", 4, 500);
2016-12-21T05:53:23 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: first, kill the timeout
2016-12-21T05:53:26 < aandrew> second, don't be lazy
2016-12-21T05:53:35 < aandrew> don't cast a constant string and pass it
2016-12-21T05:53:47 < aandrew> const char *foo = "Hello";
2016-12-21T05:53:49 < aandrew> then pass foo
2016-12-21T05:54:11 < ColdKeyboard> Set timeout as 0 ?
2016-12-21T05:54:21 < aandrew> infinite timeout
2016-12-21T05:54:24 < aandrew> I think it's zero
2016-12-21T05:56:49 < ColdKeyboard> In debugger, code is handing at that line... 
2016-12-21T05:57:46 < ReadErr> debugging and doing serial stuff causes some fuckery sometime
2016-12-21T05:57:55 < dongs> <@englishman> why do you think he went to blogging? Because he's so busy?
2016-12-21T05:57:56 < dongs> haha
2016-12-21T05:58:25 < ColdKeyboard> http://pastie.org/10984608
2016-12-21T05:58:48 < ColdKeyboard> But does this look "okay"? It should be as basic as "hello world" and I'm hoping to pick it up from there...
2016-12-21T05:59:45 < dongs> const char *String = "Hello"; HAL_UART_Transmit(USART1, &String, 4, 0);
2016-12-21T06:00:00 < dongs> string is already a pointer
2016-12-21T06:00:04 < dongs> why pass pointer to pointer.
2016-12-21T06:00:13 < dongs> dont you even fucking read complier warnings
2016-12-21T06:00:14 < dongs> compiler
2016-12-21T06:02:18 < ColdKeyboard> Btw how can you watch this Louis dude? He is so annoying...
2016-12-21T06:02:27 < dongs> lol, i am just retweeting
2016-12-21T06:02:36 < dongs> i dont watch him just like I dont watch eevblag
2016-12-21T06:02:58 < ColdKeyboard> Dude is like cancer and salty in worst possible combination
2016-12-21T06:03:26 < ColdKeyboard> either he is bitching or he is saying how he didn't go to college and still he can repair mac shit :D
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2016-12-21T06:04:43 < dongs> why the fuck is he even fucking with shitty soldering irons
2016-12-21T06:05:17 < dongs> he should be able to afford a proper metcal or jbc or wahtever teh fuck is good shit is
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2016-12-21T06:08:28 <@englishman> no he said he doesn't need expensive trash like metcal or flir to fix maxbooks
2016-12-21T06:08:37 < ColdKeyboard> So is this part going to work and why not http://pastebin.com/M6U95qKG ?
2016-12-21T06:08:42 <@englishman> he's better than that
2016-12-21T06:09:17 < ColdKeyboard> Yea he said he uses like shorting VCC and GND to se which component fries and then replaces it or something like that
2016-12-21T06:14:53 < aandrew> that's exactly how you approach that problem
2016-12-21T06:15:06 < aandrew> he has a very pragmatic attitude toward the work he does, which is why I like him
2016-12-21T06:15:54 < ColdKeyboard> I just don't like his smurky attitude, like "I didn't go to college and I can fix this" like wtf... since when going to college means you are smart?
2016-12-21T06:16:07 < aandrew> actually that's exactly his point
2016-12-21T06:16:14 < aandrew> watch some of his earlier stuff
2016-12-21T06:16:17 < ColdKeyboard> Btw aandrew do you see anything wrong with that code that I posted?
2016-12-21T06:16:18 < aandrew> he's actually saying exactly that
2016-12-21T06:16:23 < aandrew> you don't NEED to go to college to do this shit
2016-12-21T06:16:31 < aandrew> yes
2016-12-21T06:16:37 < aandrew> you need ot htink about what you're doing
2016-12-21T06:16:44 < aandrew> const char *string = "foo"
2016-12-21T06:16:46 < aandrew> what is string
2016-12-21T06:18:04 < ColdKeyboard> Pointer to "foo" string?
2016-12-21T06:18:19 < aandrew> yes, it's a pointer to a char
2016-12-21T06:18:35 < aandrew> what does HAL_UART_Transmit want for its second parameter?
2016-12-21T06:19:07 < ColdKeyboard> uint8_t *pData
2016-12-21T06:19:14 < aandrew> ok
2016-12-21T06:19:20 < ColdKeyboard> Pointer to unsigned char ?
2016-12-21T06:19:33 < aandrew> so why are you giving it a pointer to a pointer to a char/
2016-12-21T06:20:15 < upgrdman> lol  https://youtu.be/Mx5clYrfCVo?t=258
2016-12-21T06:20:57 < dongs> wtf
2016-12-21T06:21:26 < ColdKeyboard> dafaq?
2016-12-21T06:21:53 < dongs> upgrdongs do you just watch that fucking channel all day
2016-12-21T06:21:59 < dongs> or maybe you're the owner of it
2016-12-21T06:22:01 < ColdKeyboard> aandrew: I'm not sure I follow, what is the correct way to pass that argument?
2016-12-21T06:22:17 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: ok
2016-12-21T06:22:19 < aandrew> char c
2016-12-21T06:22:22 < aandrew> it's a character
2016-12-21T06:22:29 < dongs> upgrdman: https://youtu.be/Mx5clYrfCVo?t=351 loooooool super safe
2016-12-21T06:22:29 < aandrew> &c is what, it's a pointer to a char
2016-12-21T06:22:30 < upgrdman> dongs, sub'd to it, and that's todays video
2016-12-21T06:22:39 < aandrew> char *c
2016-12-21T06:22:41 < aandrew> it's a pointer to a char
2016-12-21T06:22:46 < upgrdman> dongs, lol nice
2016-12-21T06:22:54 < aandrew> &c is now a pointer to a pointer to a char
2016-12-21T06:22:55 < dongs> that guy jus strollin there
2016-12-21T06:23:15 < aandrew> if your function wants a char*, give it a char*, not a char**
2016-12-21T06:24:10 < ColdKeyboard> So I should point to the address of the pointer like &String?
2016-12-21T06:24:20 < aandrew> no
2016-12-21T06:24:25 < aandrew> String is already a char *
2016-12-21T06:24:34 < aandrew> so pass string, not address of string
2016-12-21T06:24:55 < aandrew> think of it this way
2016-12-21T06:25:01 < aandrew> you've got a grid
2016-12-21T06:25:04 < aandrew> each box in the grid stores a char
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2016-12-21T06:25:30 < dongs> damn thats pretty awesome anyway
2016-12-21T06:25:47 < dongs> upgrdman: do you think that entire process is CNC as in, it ssome scripted thing controlling it or the dude tehre standing tappin the 'compress' button
2016-12-21T06:25:47 < aandrew> the address of the first char in the string is a pointer to that string
2016-12-21T06:26:14 < aandrew> if you look at the address that contains the pointer, it contains an address
2016-12-21T06:26:22 < aandrew> if you go to that address, you see the first char in your string
2016-12-21T06:26:30 < aandrew> that's what the uart routine wants
2016-12-21T06:26:59 < aandrew> what you're doing instead is saying "you want the address that contains the address to the string
2016-12-21T06:27:00 < upgrdman> dongs, look like lots of manual dicking
2016-12-21T06:27:15 < dongs> wonder where they're stealing these vids from
2016-12-21T06:27:18 < dongs> for the content
2016-12-21T06:27:20 < upgrdman> i imagine they arent making qty10k of those shafts
2016-12-21T06:27:33 < ColdKeyboard> Okay, thanks for explaining that. I think it's clearer now... I'm sending just string now as HAL_UART_Transmit(USART1, String, 4, 0); but I don't see anything on the output
2016-12-21T06:27:35 < dongs> i donno man, thats a one-day job there and they culd make one per day
2016-12-21T06:27:35 < aandrew> that is awesome
2016-12-21T06:27:39 < aandrew> yes
2016-12-21T06:27:41 < aandrew> that's what you want ColdKeyboard 
2016-12-21T06:27:48 < aandrew> but now you have to figur eout why that's not working
2016-12-21T06:27:57 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: i have a better suggestion
2016-12-21T06:28:03 < aandrew> is your uart configured correctly?
2016-12-21T06:28:04 < dongs> if you just want to printf debug shit
2016-12-21T06:28:12 < dongs> use ITM_SendChar
2016-12-21T06:28:28 < dongs> and watch it over SWO
2016-12-21T06:28:32 < ColdKeyboard> Can you take a peek and see if this is correct usage -> http://pastebin.com/reaYLw8z
2016-12-21T06:28:43 < ColdKeyboard> Then I can focus on debugging hardware :)
2016-12-21T06:29:21 < dongs> um
2016-12-21T06:31:18 <@englishman> you don't need a university degree to replace electronic components? I hope not
2016-12-21T06:31:56 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxKtH5OnxI4 TLDW: Viceland wanted to make a show about Louis. In return they wanted 10% of his gross revenues, and audits of his accounts to ensure they get their cut. Vice wanted to control his YouTube channel and control what he uploads on YouTube after the filming of his episode. They offered to pay him just $1500 per
2016-12-21T06:31:56 < ReadErr> episode of Viceland that he would appear in for this.
2016-12-21T06:32:11 < aandrew> yep
2016-12-21T06:33:33 < ColdKeyboard> WTH??? I have to use &huart1 instead &USART1 ?
2016-12-21T06:33:48 < dongs> > compiler warnings
2016-12-21T06:33:52 < dongs> they're a thing you know
2016-12-21T06:33:53 < dongs> jesus fuck man
2016-12-21T06:34:17 < dongs> what garbage are you using that isnt spamming the fuck out of you with warnings for this newb shit
2016-12-21T06:34:24 < ColdKeyboard> Seriously, where am I supposed to find these examples or information?
2016-12-21T06:34:37 < ColdKeyboard> The Eclipse thingy
2016-12-21T06:34:42 < dongs> WHEN  YOU BUILD THEM AND COMPILER TELLS YOU TO GET FUCKED
2016-12-21T06:34:51 < dongs> also when you look at hte fucking function prototype
2016-12-21T06:35:52 <@englishman> there's a wonderful help manual in windows help format
2016-12-21T06:36:15 < dongs> that too
2016-12-21T06:36:19 < aandrew> haha
2016-12-21T06:36:25 <@englishman> why does the pointer name frustrate you
2016-12-21T06:36:27 < aandrew> when the compiler tells you to get fucked
2016-12-21T06:36:30 < aandrew> hahahaha
2016-12-21T06:36:41 < aandrew> dude I'm writing a FAQ called exactly that
2016-12-21T06:36:41 < ColdKeyboard> I'm asking, not complaining guys... I want to learn HAL :)
2016-12-21T06:36:54 < dongs> youre not even trying to learn
2016-12-21T06:36:57 < aandrew> WHEN THE COMPILER TELLS YOU TO GET FUCKED - WHERE TO GO FROM HERE
2016-12-21T06:37:08 <@englishman> all these Canadians
2016-12-21T06:37:11 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: dongs is right... you've gotta take a BIG step back and write good C
2016-12-21T06:37:24 < aandrew> this isn't a HAL issue, this is a ColdKeyboard isn't listening to the compiler issue
2016-12-21T06:37:37 < ColdKeyboard> aandrew: True :(
2016-12-21T06:37:50 <@englishman> the compiler is a safety net not an instruction manual
2016-12-21T06:38:07 < aandrew> sure
2016-12-21T06:38:13 < aandrew> but let's ignore HAL for now
2016-12-21T06:38:19 < aandrew> let's just work on the PC
2016-12-21T06:38:41 < aandrew> void print_shit(char *str) { puts(str); }
2016-12-21T06:39:01 < aandrew> int main(void) { char *string = "Hello"; print_shit(&string); return 0; }
2016-12-21T06:39:09 < aandrew> then gcc -o foo foo.c and run it
2016-12-21T06:39:15 < dongs> gcc -Wall
2016-12-21T06:39:21 < dongs> so he can understand why the fuck its not working
2016-12-21T06:39:28 < aandrew> I'd probably use -g as well since you're gonna want to gdb this shit after
2016-12-21T06:41:47 < aandrew> so what's it saying ColdKeyboard 
2016-12-21T06:41:52 < aandrew> shit I gotta get my ass to bed
2016-12-21T06:42:16 < ColdKeyboard> Stupid Windows... I'm getting bash for windows and then running it
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2016-12-21T06:42:34 < ColdKeyboard> Rather than re-installing gcc and editing path and restarting and etc...
2016-12-21T06:43:57 < ReadErr> wat
2016-12-21T06:44:05 < ReadErr> ColdKeyboard: grab chibistudio
2016-12-21T06:44:14 < ReadErr> its all self contained ready to go
2016-12-21T06:44:32 < ReadErr> no need to install anything outside of its dir
2016-12-21T06:44:55 < ColdKeyboard> main.c:2:6: note: expected ‘char *’ but argument is of type ‘char **’
2016-12-21T06:46:29 < ColdKeyboard> Now that I see my weak spots, do you have any literature that I should read to improve on the topic of pointers, casting and etC?
2016-12-21T06:46:39 < aandrew> practise really
2016-12-21T06:47:01 < dongs> buy/pirate the k&r book
2016-12-21T06:47:20 < ColdKeyboard> K&R ?
2016-12-21T06:47:28 < emeb_mac> haha
2016-12-21T06:47:37 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/Programming-Language-Brian-W-Kernighan/dp/0131103628
2016-12-21T06:48:00 < emeb_mac> if you don't know what K&R is you don't know C
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2016-12-21T06:48:28 < ReadErr> lol this guy is telling vice "suck a fucking dick"
2016-12-21T06:48:40 < stvn> lissin 'ere mate
2016-12-21T06:49:02 < dongs> lol @ rent option on that amazon link
2016-12-21T06:49:35 < emeb_mac> renting a book. so f'n lame
2016-12-21T06:49:48 < ReadErr> not for college shit
2016-12-21T06:50:00 < ReadErr> like dumb books
2016-12-21T06:50:36 < emeb_mac> college textbooks: bend over and spread 'em
2016-12-21T06:50:50 < stvn> the microelectronic circuits
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2016-12-21T06:51:06 < emeb_mac> looked at the engineering texts in the local uni bookstore - $200 for some lame shit
2016-12-21T06:51:10 < dongs> are there even colleges that still teach C
2016-12-21T06:51:16 < stvn> yes
2016-12-21T06:51:25 < stvn> i went to one
2016-12-21T06:51:26 < dongs> i figured it would all be faggot shit like java or python
2016-12-21T06:51:30 < dongs> yeah but that was 20 years ago
2016-12-21T06:51:32 < dongs> im talkin now
2016-12-21T06:51:36 < stvn> 2 years ago
2016-12-21T06:51:42 < emeb_mac> haha - you're old
2016-12-21T06:51:43 < ColdKeyboard> C is still dominant for embedded
2016-12-21T06:52:17 < emeb_mac> but colleges don't teach embedded
2016-12-21T06:52:17 < dongs> well no shit
2016-12-21T06:52:26 < emeb_mac> it's all web development
2016-12-21T06:52:35 < emeb_mac> and IoT crap
2016-12-21T06:52:50 < emeb_mac> no one does embedded according to them
2016-12-21T06:53:01 < dongs> ah yes
2016-12-21T06:53:03 < dongs> javascript
2016-12-21T06:53:06 < dongs> i bet thats actually a course now
2016-12-21T06:53:13 < emeb_mac> +100
2016-12-21T06:53:32 < stvn> http://www1.rmit.edu.au/courses/029598
2016-12-21T06:53:37 < stvn> ^
2016-12-21T06:53:55 < dongs> jidong wang
2016-12-21T06:54:06 < stvn> :)
2016-12-21T06:54:12 < dongs> well shit, that looks somewhat useful course actually
2016-12-21T06:54:20 < ReadErr> dongs: there was 2 C/C++ classes
2016-12-21T06:54:23 < dongs> and using keil
2016-12-21T06:54:24 < ReadErr> everything past that was java
2016-12-21T06:54:25 < dongs> fuckin pro
2016-12-21T06:55:06 < ReadErr> or other lang, vhdl
2016-12-21T06:55:18 < ReadErr> asm
2016-12-21T06:58:59 < ReadErr> I took a web2.0 class and the final proj was supposed to be in RUBY ON RAILS
2016-12-21T06:59:07 < ReadErr> I got w/ the prof and told them ruby was fucking dumb
2016-12-21T06:59:15 < ReadErr> so he let me do it in PHP
2016-12-21T06:59:25 < stvn> also dongs http://i.imgur.com/wdNudPY.jpg
2016-12-21T06:59:28 < emeb_mac> lol
2016-12-21T07:00:53 < dongs> lol'd
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2016-12-21T07:52:47 < upgrdman> Steffanx, is pumper a legit title for a horse jockey?
2016-12-21T07:52:59 < upgrdman> oops. that was support to be for stvn, not steff
2016-12-21T07:55:54 < ReadErr> it can be legit
2016-12-21T07:57:09 < upgrdman> whyre they called pumpers? is it cause they bounce up and down on the horsey?
2016-12-21T08:04:45 < ReadErr> you pump the horse
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2016-12-21T08:06:27  * ohsix un-attaches
2016-12-21T08:06:55 < ohsix> the chains on my car shook and unsnug the wheel nuts lololol
2016-12-21T08:06:58 < ohsix> lost one too
2016-12-21T08:08:31 < qyx> karlp: that was only the power supply part, the isolator itself is an ADUMxxxx part
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2016-12-21T08:09:22 < ohsix> adum1 ;]
2016-12-21T08:09:24 < dongs>  ba dum ts part
2016-12-21T08:10:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/LTuSH0A.png what the shit is this, is that some lunix icon format
2016-12-21T08:10:11 < dongs> xpm or someshit
2016-12-21T08:10:42 < dongs> holy fuck, it is
2016-12-21T08:10:50 < ohsix> yea
2016-12-21T08:10:50 < dongs> why is this trash inside windows software
2016-12-21T08:11:08 < ohsix> it's not bad for embedding cursors
2016-12-21T08:12:21 < jpa-> because lunix coders who code windows software do not understand resources, so they stick to what they know, which happens to be saving .xpm and compiling it as C
2016-12-21T08:12:37 < dongs> that is fucking ridiculous
2016-12-21T08:12:42 < dongs> who would hire a lunix hack as a  coder
2016-12-21T08:12:55 < jpa-> my employer? :P
2016-12-21T08:14:35 < dongs> o shit
2016-12-21T08:14:40 < dongs> wxART_NEW_DIR
2016-12-21T08:14:42 < dongs> wxwidgets?
2016-12-21T08:15:18 < jpa-> yeah
2016-12-21T08:15:29 < jpa-> i might even use that also, because who understands this win32 crap
2016-12-21T08:15:33 < dongs> wxD is wxWidgets bindings for the D programming language.
2016-12-21T08:15:39 < dongs> what the shit
2016-12-21T08:17:04 < dongs> so tehse dude s are using wxwidgets *and* MFC
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2016-12-21T08:23:53 < ohsix> loool soap makes farting noises when you put a red hto axe on it
2016-12-21T08:24:09 < ohsix> jpa-: i dooo
2016-12-21T08:24:54 < ohsix> findign out that everything sucked and was basically frozen as an idiom in the 80s was part of growing up
2016-12-21T08:25:12 < ohsix> an event model from machines with no virtual memory
2016-12-21T08:27:35 < ohsix> or memory
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2016-12-21T08:57:04 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/AwardsDarwin/status/811366437235412993 dunked and dumped
2016-12-21T09:02:20 < ohsix> blah i've got no time to do anything tonight
2016-12-21T09:02:24 < ohsix> oh well, bbl
2016-12-21T09:04:42 < upgrdman> lolwut "The Etoro, or Edolo, are a tribe and ethnic group of Papua New Guinea. Their territory comprises the southern slopes of Mt. Sisa, along the southern edge of the central mountain range of New Guinea, near the Papuan Plateau. They are well known among anthropologists because of ritual homosexual acts practised between the young boys and men of the tribe. The Etoro believe that young boys must ingest the semen of their elders daily from 
2016-12-21T09:04:42 < upgrdman> the age of 7 until they turn 17 to achieve adult male status and to properly mature and grow strong."
2016-12-21T09:05:46 < upgrdman> "The Etoro believe that they each contain a certain amount of life force, the highest concentrations of which are contained in semen. This life force passes to others through sexual relations. Women are seen to waste the life force if they do not get pregnant after sexual intercourse."
2016-12-21T09:05:59 < upgrdman> wtf kind of shit tribe is that
2016-12-21T09:08:56 < jpa-> infinite blowjobs tribe
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2016-12-21T09:11:30 < upgrdman> ya i wonder if like a century ago some homo was like "how can i convince these kids to suck me off"
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2016-12-21T09:14:01 < upgrdman> lol, did the oracle faggots fuck up their it. im getting a "Attackers might be trying to steal your information from edelivery.oracle.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). NET::ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED"
2016-12-21T09:14:15 < upgrdman> no thanks bro. no homo.
2016-12-21T09:15:36 < sync> no synopsys?
2016-12-21T09:20:18 < dongs> i thought you were tehre to do IC design
2016-12-21T09:28:46 < dongs> will you be doing any STM32 work there
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2016-12-21T10:26:26 < ReadErr> R2COMMIE in AZ
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2016-12-21T12:02:07 < ohsix> neat, Yes is in the rock and roll hall of fame now
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2016-12-21T12:06:43 < ohsix> https://thehairpin.com/the-best-time-i-pretended-i-hadnt-heard-of-slavoj-žižek-4d746d77606
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2016-12-21T13:06:33 < stvn> pot smoking hippies and fueled by pippies
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2016-12-21T13:42:12 < ReadErr> zip it anal bead cleaner
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2016-12-21T13:45:56 < stvn> gooday sport
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2016-12-21T13:55:03 < ReadErr> gday
2016-12-21T13:55:34 < ReadErr> its cold here
2016-12-21T13:55:38 < ReadErr> and hot where you are
2016-12-21T13:55:43 < ReadErr> so #wild
2016-12-21T13:56:35 < ReadErr> it should be a crime to have another submit button after paypal checkout
2016-12-21T14:01:26 < stvn> crikey
2016-12-21T14:03:37 < stvn> where are tec2 and steffan?
2016-12-21T14:05:11 < ReadErr> off doing european things
2016-12-21T14:05:35 < stvn> i found an empty packet of stroopwafels here, figured they'd broken into me house
2016-12-21T14:06:05 < ReadErr> mums wont let me have ne of those
2016-12-21T14:07:25 < stvn> heh
2016-12-21T14:10:17 < stvn> the drugs are gonna get me
2016-12-21T14:12:49 < ReadErr> cant rape the willing
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2016-12-21T14:13:11 < stvn> :3
2016-12-21T14:13:36 < stvn> speaking of rape i'm actually tired before midnight, better make the most of it o/
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2016-12-21T14:31:21 < dongs> what teh fucking shit im getting an extra byte reading SPI flash for some weird fucking reason
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2016-12-21T14:33:48 < Kliment> dongs: some kind of header that needs to be excluded from transfer size? Checksum?
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2016-12-21T14:43:10 < dongs> worse: stepping through it works
2016-12-21T14:43:15 < dongs> running without stepping = fails
2016-12-21T14:43:17 < dongs> wtf
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2016-12-21T14:50:31 < Kliment> dongs: try cut the clock speed by half
2016-12-21T14:50:40 < dongs> yeal already did all that shit
2016-12-21T14:50:45 < Kliment> dongs: no difference?
2016-12-21T14:50:50 < dongs> looking elsewhere
2016-12-21T14:50:50 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-21T14:51:03 < dongs> k thank fuck it works
2016-12-21T14:51:07 < dongs> i had wrong timing for page erase
2016-12-21T14:51:20 < dongs> on one brand of flash it was fast enough t hat the check always succeeeded
2016-12-21T14:51:50 < dongs> the reads would fail later during verufy
2016-12-21T14:51:51 < dongs> verify
2016-12-21T14:51:59 < dongs> there's still maybe one byte thing with DMA, looking at that now
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2016-12-21T15:45:39 < bartekww> hey
2016-12-21T15:45:42 < dongs> yes
2016-12-21T15:45:47 < bartekww> i'm using st-flash
2016-12-21T15:45:57 < ReadErr> yes hello
2016-12-21T15:45:59 < bartekww> i must manually restart my board to start programming
2016-12-21T15:46:10 < ReadErr> use SWD then
2016-12-21T15:46:17 < bartekww> i use it
2016-12-21T15:46:23 < bartekww> but today it isn't working
2016-12-21T15:46:28 < bartekww> on my both boards
2016-12-21T15:46:31 < ReadErr> do u have it set to reset?
2016-12-21T15:46:34 < bartekww> how?
2016-12-21T15:46:55 < ReadErr> i duno havent used that app in ages 
2016-12-21T15:46:58 < bartekww> it was working
2016-12-21T15:47:12 < ReadErr> then undo whatever you broke 
2016-12-21T15:47:14 < bartekww> on st link program on windows it's also don't working
2016-12-21T15:47:27 < bartekww> not*
2016-12-21T15:47:47 < bartekww> only if i set it
2016-12-21T15:47:51 < bartekww> connect until restart
2016-12-21T15:47:54 < bartekww> or sth like that
2016-12-21T15:48:42 < ReadErr> uh maybe screenshot ur settings
2016-12-21T15:49:39 < bartekww> which
2016-12-21T15:49:48 < bartekww> st-flash write blah.bin 0x8000000
2016-12-21T15:49:53 < ReadErr> oh cli 
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2016-12-21T15:50:12 < ReadErr> try the gui stlink tool
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2016-12-21T15:50:15 < dongs> you might as well just use openocd lol
2016-12-21T15:50:20 < dongs> if youre CLI'ing it up
2016-12-21T15:50:31 < bartekww> it also isn't working
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2016-12-21T15:50:42 < ReadErr> then you fucked something up
2016-12-21T15:53:15 < bartekww> it have worked before
2016-12-21T15:53:18 < bartekww> 2 weeks ago
2016-12-21T15:53:40 < ReadErr> yea, my car worked until I drank 30 beers and ran it into a tree
2016-12-21T15:55:07 < ReadErr> zero it out and reflash it maybe 
2016-12-21T15:57:47 < bartekww> done that before
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2016-12-21T15:59:18 < Rob235> why are all my clocks falling short in quartus
2016-12-21T15:59:24 < Rob235> Warning: hps_0: "Configuration/HPS-to-FPGA user 0 clock frequency" (desired_cfg_clk_mhz) requested 100.0 MHz, but only achieved 97.368421 MHz
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2016-12-21T16:19:27 < Rob235> hmm http://imgur.com/a/7oHfB
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2016-12-21T18:17:14 < dongs> ok, its DMA reads that are fucked
2016-12-21T18:17:53 < dongs> the one where i had to do fake DMA on TX just to rx
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2016-12-21T18:22:22 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/bUoK9C89.html am i fucking anything obvious up here
2016-12-21T18:25:23 < dongs> o why do i have that ->DR read in there
2016-12-21T18:25:24 < dongs> thats probly it
2016-12-21T18:26:09 < dongs> hm nope
2016-12-21T18:26:39 < dongs> hmm i think im exiting it too early
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2016-12-21T18:30:51 < dongs> ya TCIF for TX is set very early
2016-12-21T18:30:52 < dongs> hmm
2016-12-21T18:30:55 < dongs> but im not waiting for that
2016-12-21T18:37:12 < Rob235> ugh, got ISE, Vivado, and quartus installed
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2016-12-21T19:04:28 < Lux> dongs: wouldn't it make more sense to use circular mode with size 1 on the dummy tx dma
2016-12-21T19:05:03 < Lux> if i see it correctly now you are transmitting some memory region
2016-12-21T19:08:42 < Lux> never mind memoryinc is there too
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2016-12-21T20:22:49 < zyp> dongs, when designing a pcb shaped as a concave polygon, do I have to care about the radius for the inner corners, or can I just make plain 90deg corners and then it'll just depend on the tool diameter?
2016-12-21T20:23:49 < zyp> second level pcb needs to have some stupid cutouts along the edge to fit in the enclosure
2016-12-21T20:24:29 < zyp> and I might do another cutout for the FFC cable as well
2016-12-21T20:35:47 <@englishman> jesus christ smartgit is fucking retarded
2016-12-21T20:36:05 <@englishman> is there any decent git client for lunix
2016-12-21T20:36:07 <@englishman> like sorestree
2016-12-21T20:38:57 <@englishman> zyp i dono about dongs' fab but localbro does vgrooves by routing, so he can do whatever shape. and tight inner corners
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2016-12-21T20:40:46 < zyp> englishman, yeah, routed is obvious, but you're still limited by tool size
2016-12-21T20:41:07 <@englishman> well less so with vgroove
2016-12-21T20:41:47 < zyp> by vgroove you mean breakaway lines?
2016-12-21T20:41:50 <@englishman> yeah
2016-12-21T20:42:10 < zyp> non-straight breakaway lines doesn't sound like they'd work very well :p
2016-12-21T20:42:55 <@englishman> for those times when inner corners matter, like midmounted connectors, ive seen them drill a hole, then pass the profile router, so a bit more material ends up being removed but youre guaranteed that corner will be gone
2016-12-21T20:43:14 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/aPUvR.png <- here's the basic shape with the cuts
2016-12-21T20:43:51 < zyp> and in this case the corners does not matter, which is why I'm wondering if I have to round them myself or if they'll be rounded to tool size automatically
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2016-12-21T20:46:31 <@englishman> yeah the inner corners should end up with tool sized rounded corners
2016-12-21T20:46:54 <@englishman> the toolpath just makes a corner there, tool radius from the material
2016-12-21T20:47:04 < zyp> good
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2016-12-21T20:51:00 < zyp> wonder if 64-pin package will be enough for this project or if I'll have to go 100pin
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2016-12-21T21:38:36 < zyp> looks like 64 will be plenty
2016-12-21T21:40:07 < zyp> got 13 gpio left over so far
2016-12-21T21:40:17 < zyp> got some more shit to add, but I think 13 will be plenty for that
2016-12-21T21:48:49 < aandrew> I had to go to 100 for ethernet
2016-12-21T21:49:23 < zyp> I'm not doing that
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2016-12-21T21:49:36 < zyp> but I'll be using both usb ports :)
2016-12-21T21:51:10 < Rob235> ;lkasjfl;ajsd
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2016-12-21T21:58:15 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At3xcj-pTjg
2016-12-21T22:13:35 < qyx> the more pins, the cooler
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2016-12-21T22:35:46 < Steffanx> You know there are fpga channels uh?
2016-12-21T22:35:51 < Steffanx> Mr rob235
2016-12-21T22:42:38 <@englishman> yes hes in there too getting excellent advice from suckerberg and his fanbois
2016-12-21T22:43:17 < Steffanx> Not sure who suckerberg is supposed to be but .. ok
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2016-12-21T22:52:27 < Fleck> my guess - azonenberg
2016-12-21T22:54:19 < Steffanx> that guy is great.
2016-12-21T22:54:53 < Steffanx> but not here.. so ..
2016-12-21T22:55:09 < Fleck> so englishman is dongs fanboy? :D
2016-12-21T22:56:10 <@englishman> as long as he remains useful to me
2016-12-21T22:56:10 < Steffanx> Blaxterboi.
2016-12-21T22:58:13 < qyx> what teh fuck
2016-12-21T22:58:20 < qyx> eagle supports routing of differential pair
2016-12-21T22:58:20 < qyx> s
2016-12-21T22:58:43 < qyx> but actually I don't know how, it happened automagically somehow
2016-12-21T22:58:49 < Steffanx> It has supported that for quite some time now..
2016-12-21T22:59:03 < Steffanx> i believe you have to name the signals _n and _p ( or something )
2016-12-21T22:59:10 < qyx> yes, thats the case
2016-12-21T23:02:08 < Steffanx> then it does that automagically..
2016-12-21T23:04:16 < qyx> but it seems that it complicates things more than it helps
2016-12-21T23:06:47 <@englishman> tdk is buying invensense
2016-12-21T23:09:36 < Steffanx> "to enhance its own product offering in the areas of Internet of Things " -_-
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2016-12-21T23:12:33 < Lux> lol, same as softbank buying arm
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2016-12-21T23:43:18 <@englishman> http://home.mcom.com/
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2016-12-21T23:44:22 <@englishman> check out this new browser for "web"
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2016-12-22T00:19:47 < karlp> Lux: tdk at least makes parts already
2016-12-22T00:20:02 < karlp> qyx: yeah, eagle does lots of things when you read the manual :)
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2016-12-22T00:30:01 < kakimir> hah.. visual studio doesn't want to be my IDE anymore
2016-12-22T00:30:23 < kakimir> it says I need to sign in to update my trial licence in 6days
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2016-12-22T00:41:26 < kakimir> just enought time to get my codes polished
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2016-12-22T01:35:38 < dongs> zyp, its gonna be around 1-2mm R
2016-12-22T01:35:47 < dongs> you dont have to make them round, but the result will be round
2016-12-22T01:36:16 < dongs> Lux: this is F1
2016-12-22T01:36:48 < dongs> oh hm it has circular too
2016-12-22T01:40:56 <@englishman> dongs: jewish motion sensors are now nip
2016-12-22T01:41:36 < dongs> wat are those
2016-12-22T01:41:46 <@englishman> tdk bought invensense
2016-12-22T01:41:53 < dongs> oh lawd
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2016-12-22T02:07:17 < dongs> HOLY FUCK CHROME
2016-12-22T02:07:25 < dongs> if a file im downloading is opened
2016-12-22T02:07:34 < dongs> instead of you know just finishing download and not renaming
2016-12-22T02:07:39 < dongs> it will just REDOWNLOAD IT AGAIN
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2016-12-22T02:13:14 < karlp> nah man, gotta have more (1) and (2) files :)
2016-12-22T02:13:23 < karlp> in the same directory...
2016-12-22T02:13:27 < karlp> with the same md5sum...
2016-12-22T02:13:30 < dongs> no
2016-12-22T02:13:35 < dongs> it literally restarts the same file
2016-12-22T02:13:39 < dongs> leaving no copy
2016-12-22T02:13:46 < dongs> it will just download it over and over
2016-12-22T02:13:57 < dongs> until you close whatever app  you had the shit open in
2016-12-22T02:15:18 <@englishman> hmm new altidumb release
2016-12-22T02:16:05 <@englishman> my .pcbdoc-fucking bug isnt in the release notes
2016-12-22T02:16:35 <@englishman> also the new release notes page for 17 is way too web5.0
2016-12-22T02:16:44 < dongs> where the fuck are new release notes?
2016-12-22T02:16:50 < dongs> i still cant find thedm
2016-12-22T02:16:58 <@englishman> http://www.altium.com/documentation/17.0/display/ADES/Release+Notes+for+Altium+Designer
2016-12-22T02:16:59 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Release+Notes+for+Altium+Designer+Version+16.1
2016-12-22T02:17:03 < dongs> was here
2016-12-22T02:17:26 < dongs> ok yeah  thanks
2016-12-22T02:17:28 <@englishman> yes click on 'latest version' which of course goes to new documentation homepage not the fucking release notes
2016-12-22T02:17:34 < dongs> YEAH
2016-12-22T02:17:36 < dongs> i fucking hate that
2016-12-22T02:17:39 < dongs> all the old links on google
2016-12-22T02:17:44 <@englishman> another bug to FILE
2016-12-22T02:17:46 < dongs> are some "obsolete" docs
2016-12-22T02:17:57 < dongs> and you click go to current and it goes to / and search there is broken as fuck
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2016-12-22T02:18:03 <@englishman> i should emaill them about bugbounty
2016-12-22T02:18:11 < dongs> like if you just search for page title it brings up everything but
2016-12-22T02:18:21 <@englishman> yeah new search is garbage
2016-12-22T02:18:31 <@englishman> might as well watch 15min youtube video with some mouthbreather
2016-12-22T02:19:00 < dongs> anyway, this is useful 15208Fixed a bug where Select Next (tab) does not work for No Net Objects. (BC:7313)
2016-12-22T02:19:11 < dongs> pissed me off when i was trying to tab over keepout layer
2016-12-22T02:19:18 < dongs> so I can quickly define board outline
2016-12-22T02:27:22 < zyp> dongs, ok, got it
2016-12-22T02:27:42 < zyp> dongs, by the way, what does vscoring do to board dimensions?
2016-12-22T02:28:21 < karlp> vscoring last I got it done was a "please make vscrores 0 width lines"
2016-12-22T02:28:30 < karlp> real world?..... 
2016-12-22T02:28:50 < karlp> gonna be a factor of board thickness I guess?
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2016-12-22T02:29:07 < zyp> it's kinda important since the board is going into an enclosure
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2016-12-22T02:30:53 < dongs> there are rules if you wanna have exact dimensions
2016-12-22T02:31:04 < dongs> i prefer to vcut on sides that can be not exact
2016-12-22T02:32:55 < zyp> yeah, the top board will be snap mount into the enclosure which makes the sides for the snap mount kinda critical, the other two boards will be screw mount so it doesn't matter if they end up being a bit loose
2016-12-22T02:34:24 < dongs> well if the fag who knows this wasnt sleeping I'd be able to answer you
2016-12-22T02:35:04 < zyp> I'm not in a hurry to know it, just figuring out what I'll have to do about it later
2016-12-22T02:35:27 < dongs> I am seeing 0.5mm
2016-12-22T02:35:30 < dongs> in pcb specs
2016-12-22T02:35:43 < dongs> 'please describe v-cut within the outline with 0.5mm'
2016-12-22T02:36:06 < dongs> but yeah I know there's a pic somewehre that shows loss/final dimenions
2016-12-22T02:36:09 < dongs> ill get that sometime today
2016-12-22T02:36:38 < zyp> should board outline indicate final width, or should I reduce board outline with those 0.5mm?
2016-12-22T02:37:36 < zyp> dongs, by the way, do you think you'll have any 4L proto shit any time soon? thinking about doing 4L for the MCU board
2016-12-22T02:38:44 < dongs> not sure, don't haev anything in queue but it c an change anytime
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2016-12-22T02:46:04 < stvn> senpaitronics
2016-12-22T02:48:17 < Lambda-Aurigae> I didn' do it!
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2016-12-22T02:49:36 < stvn> ok
2016-12-22T02:52:58 < Lambda-Aurigae> so, my first stm chips will be here friday.
2016-12-22T02:53:37 < dongs> you can already download keil and run your code in simulator
2016-12-22T02:53:50 < dongs> to prepare for quality coding
2016-12-22T02:55:43 < aandrew> lol keil
2016-12-22T02:55:55 < dongs> know any other ARM IDE with a working simulator?
2016-12-22T02:56:01 < dongs> it even sims shit like gpio + uarts + etc
2016-12-22T02:56:32 < dongs> i was once running some code in a sim for like a week
2016-12-22T02:56:38 < dongs> before I realized it was on a sim and not on hardware
2016-12-22T02:56:54 < stvn> Keil® MDK is the most comprehensive software development solution for ARM®-based microcontrollers and includes all components that you need to create, build, and debug embedded applications.
2016-12-22T02:57:04 < dongs> yes
2016-12-22T02:57:23 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: nikomo
2016-12-22T02:57:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> keil, eh?
2016-12-22T02:57:29 < Lambda-Aurigae> appears to be a windows app
2016-12-22T02:57:32 < Lambda-Aurigae> does it run in wine?
2016-12-22T02:57:42 < dongs> .... lol
2016-12-22T02:57:55 < dongs> does anything other than sol.exe run in wine?
2016-12-22T02:58:03 < Lambda-Aurigae> notepad.exe
2016-12-22T02:58:55 < Lambda-Aurigae> unfortunately, or fortunately, I currently have no windows installs in this building.
2016-12-22T02:59:02 < dongs> sorry to hear that.
2016-12-22T02:59:43 < Lambda-Aurigae> I have a personal,,,very personal,,,dislike of anything microsoft.
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2016-12-22T02:59:59 < Lambda-Aurigae> and find I can do anything I need at home on linux.
2016-12-22T03:00:16 < Lambda-Aurigae> I have to use and work with windows at work.
2016-12-22T03:00:23 < Emil> dongs: eh
2016-12-22T03:00:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> at home I don't have to.
2016-12-22T03:00:46 < Emil> I'm sorry to hear you saying that you are sorry that there is no Windows ; )
2016-12-22T03:01:26 < Emil> GCC or out of my toolchain
2016-12-22T03:02:34 < aandrew> ok, I think I fucked this board
2016-12-22T03:02:41 < Lambda-Aurigae> kinky
2016-12-22T03:02:42 <@englishman> not surprised windows is used for real work and lunix used for dicking around/hobbies
2016-12-22T03:02:43 < aandrew> I renamed all the schematic sheets and the PCB document
2016-12-22T03:02:50 < aandrew> and pretty much all the component links disappeared
2016-12-22T03:03:03 < aandrew> so if I update, it removed pretty much everything
2016-12-22T03:03:13 < aandrew> no no
2016-12-22T03:03:15 < aandrew> hierarchial design
2016-12-22T03:03:22 < aandrew> I didn't rename all the sheets in the hierarchy page
2016-12-22T03:03:33 < Lambda-Aurigae> englishman, actually, I use linux at work for work...I use windows to access my manuals because the manuals for the gear I work on are integrated into exploder 9.
2016-12-22T03:03:36 < dongs> altidumb'd
2016-12-22T03:04:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> so I have a minimal windows install in virtualbox on my work laptop.
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2016-12-22T03:05:04 < dongs> aandrew: change filenames on sheet entries, then compile and hope it works?
2016-12-22T03:05:06 < stvn> is ohsix now Lambda-Aurigae 
2016-12-22T03:05:09 < Lambda-Aurigae> so, in the end, keil won't work for me.
2016-12-22T03:05:12 < aandrew> dongs: yep
2016-12-22T03:05:14 < aandrew> it'll be fine now
2016-12-22T03:05:17 < aandrew> totally forgot about that
2016-12-22T03:05:21 < Lambda-Aurigae> no, I'm me...totally different linux fanboy.
2016-12-22T03:05:32 < dongs> maybe its leloo 2.0
2016-12-22T03:05:46 < Emil> englishman: out of my channel pls
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2016-12-22T03:06:47 < Emil> But looking at the people here, no wonder STM is bend over backwards for Winshit.
2016-12-22T03:06:59 < dongs> ?
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2016-12-22T03:07:04 < Emil> Maybe I just go with the SAM series from Atmel
2016-12-22T03:07:12 < aandrew> Emil: what exactly is bent over backwards for Windows on STM?
2016-12-22T03:07:13 < dongs> lunix has even less desktop market share than fucking macos
2016-12-22T03:07:13 < Lambda-Aurigae> I already have a full stm built environment installed here.
2016-12-22T03:07:18 < aandrew> everything of theirs works on all three major OSes
2016-12-22T03:07:21 < Lambda-Aurigae> was pretty quick and simple actually.
2016-12-22T03:07:37 < dongs> why teh shit would any vendor support anything lunix related, ever
2016-12-22T03:07:39 < Emil> Lambda-Aurigae: What instructions did you follow? Is it command line?
2016-12-22T03:07:43 < Emil> dongs: cli?
2016-12-22T03:07:48 < dongs> c-what
2016-12-22T03:07:57 < aandrew> SW4STM? win/lin/osx. cube? win/lin/osx. gcc? win/lin/osx. 
2016-12-22T03:07:58 < Lambda-Aurigae> http://www.wolinlabs.com/blog/linux.stm32.discovery.gcc.html
2016-12-22T03:08:09 < Lambda-Aurigae> there's an error but I was able to get around it.
2016-12-22T03:08:40 < Emil> Lambda-Aurigae: fucking god tier, I've been looking for something like that for quite some time now
2016-12-22T03:08:43 < Emil> Thanks
2016-12-22T03:08:50 < Lambda-Aurigae> took me 10 minutes this morning.
2016-12-22T03:09:04 < Emil> Lambda-Aurigae: I must fail at search-engine-fiu
2016-12-22T03:09:06 < Emil> fu*
2016-12-22T03:09:07 < Lambda-Aurigae> in step 4
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2016-12-22T03:09:20 < Lambda-Aurigae> don't use autogen and configure.
2016-12-22T03:09:20 < zyp> aandrew, java shit is cheating
2016-12-22T03:09:22 < dongs> the fuck
2016-12-22T03:09:27 < zyp> that just means it runs like shit on any platform
2016-12-22T03:09:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> they are changed in the new build.
2016-12-22T03:09:31 < dongs> why would anyone recommend using stlink/texane shit in 2016
2016-12-22T03:09:45 < dongs> paging PaulFertser 
2016-12-22T03:09:50 < Lambda-Aurigae> run ./travis.sh instead
2016-12-22T03:09:58 < Emil> dongs: of course stlinkv2
2016-12-22T03:10:00 < zyp> Lambda-Aurigae, that shit is very outdated
2016-12-22T03:10:00 < aandrew> dongs: after fixing my idiocy with the schematic page names I recompiled, updated PCB and zero problems
2016-12-22T03:10:03 < aandrew> win
2016-12-22T03:10:06 < dongs> yay
2016-12-22T03:10:16 < aandrew> zyp: not really. it's ecchlipse
2016-12-22T03:10:19 < aandrew> it's all java shit
2016-12-22T03:10:20 < dongs> aandrew: how do you do multiple revisions of board
2016-12-22T03:10:21 < aandrew> I don't use it
2016-12-22T03:10:25 < aandrew> dongs: I've never done that
2016-12-22T03:10:25 < Lambda-Aurigae> but you have to have cmake installed for it to run.
2016-12-22T03:10:33 <@englishman> isnt the result of that tutorial just a gdb terminal
2016-12-22T03:10:35 < dongs> do you just copy project and rename faggot_rev0.pcbprj to _rev1.pcbprj?
2016-12-22T03:10:38 < dongs> or is there some better way
2016-12-22T03:10:38 <@englishman> like where is the debugging
2016-12-22T03:10:51 < dongs> result of that tutorial is autism
2016-12-22T03:10:58 < dongs> which is OK wiht lunix dweebs
2016-12-22T03:11:00 < Lambda-Aurigae> I debug the old fashioned way...I understand my code.
2016-12-22T03:11:06 <@englishman> heh
2016-12-22T03:11:26 < aandrew> dongs: oh you mean outside of altium? I don't bother, I have the project zipped and the zip has different names for revs
2016-12-22T03:11:58 < dongs> well, zipping altium shit is kinda pointless cuz iirc the .pcbdoc and schdoc are already literally.zip archives
2016-12-22T03:12:06 < Lambda-Aurigae> blinky lights and debug commands in the code work for me.
2016-12-22T03:12:12 < dongs> asnway, hm
2016-12-22T03:12:23 < dongs> so yo u don't rename the actual prpoject to match revision?
2016-12-22T03:12:31 < dongs> because I usually keep 0/1/2 etc revisions side by side
2016-12-22T03:12:45 < aandrew> dongs: I don't do that, no
2016-12-22T03:12:51 < aandrew> don't know if that's fail or not but that's how I do it
2016-12-22T03:12:53 < dongs> just nuke history/eco logs so the shit doesnt tae up gigs of space
2016-12-22T03:13:05 < aandrew> the project files are in git and there are different branches but when handing it off I don't rename files, just name the .zip appropriate
2016-12-22T03:13:29 < dongs> how does git handle hueg design files
2016-12-22T03:13:31 < aandrew> like fooproject-reva-a78ec50-20161221a.zip
2016-12-22T03:13:34 < aandrew> dongs: easily
2016-12-22T03:13:42 < dongs> is it worth it
2016-12-22T03:13:46 < aandrew> I think it is
2016-12-22T03:14:12 < aandrew> nothing better than a client saying "you didn't do shit in reva" and I ask for the zipfilename and pull the exact data out
2016-12-22T03:14:16 < aandrew> I do the exact same for software
2016-12-22T03:14:37 < dongs> right, but thats same thing if you just have them saved on disk side by side
2016-12-22T03:14:39 < aandrew> and if they want a reva mod but we're on revq by now it's trivial  to jump to the branch, do the thing, create fab files and jump back
2016-12-22T03:14:42 < aandrew> yeah
2016-12-22T03:14:54 < dongs> once rev0 or something is out and has gerbers, you dont modify that again
2016-12-22T03:14:57 < aandrew> I love git for hw/sw. commit messages often help a lot too
2016-12-22T03:15:06 < aandrew> and I never trust altifuck's backup system which has never worked for me
2016-12-22T03:15:14 < dongs> but.. altidumb supports SVN natively!!111 why not use that
2016-12-22T03:15:32 < aandrew> because subversion is aids
2016-12-22T03:15:51 < aandrew> svn is a bandaid on the sucking chest wound that cvs is
2016-12-22T03:16:15 < aandrew> every time I have to touch a subversion repo I become nauseous
2016-12-22T03:17:27 < stvn> erry fucken dayyy http://i.imgur.com/u1oXdnI.jpg
2016-12-22T03:17:30 < dongs> lol some autist in another channel is blogging about his bitbang USB-LS driver for some shitty kinetis chips (cuz they have single-cycle IO)
2016-12-22T03:17:35 < Lambda-Aurigae> oh come on...cvs versus sourcesafe...if you want a fun comparison
2016-12-22T03:17:45 < dongs> sourcesafe is great, now shut up
2016-12-22T03:17:49 < dongs> i've used it for years
2016-12-22T03:17:51 < dongs> zero issues
2016-12-22T03:18:12 < aandrew> I had to use perforce on a project once
2016-12-22T03:18:20 < aandrew> holy shit that drove me insane
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2016-12-22T03:18:48 < aandrew> I hear that RIM lost the mobile industry because they used perforce
2016-12-22T03:19:20 < zyp> worst abomination I've seen is clearcase
2016-12-22T03:19:27 < aandrew> never used it
2016-12-22T03:19:52 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_ClearCase 
2016-12-22T03:19:54 < dongs> > Operating systemAIX, HP-UX, Linux, Linux on z Systems, Solaris, Windows, z/OS (limited client)
2016-12-22T03:19:57 < dongs> i see the problem
2016-12-22T03:20:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> no macos?
2016-12-22T03:20:27 < dongs> no you moron.
2016-12-22T03:20:28 < zyp> dongs, yeah, very enterprise
2016-12-22T03:21:45 < dongs> http://www.snopes.com/2016/12/21/obama-signs-law-protecting-atheists
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2016-12-22T03:46:49 < upgrdman> "Anis Amri is wanted by German police in connection with the Berlin Christmas market attack."   lol, nice name there. Anis.
2016-12-22T03:47:14 < dongs> whats wrong with it
2016-12-22T03:47:55 < stvn> what a cunt
2016-12-22T03:48:08 < stvn> his name oughta be anis cunt amri
2016-12-22T03:48:22 < upgrdman> anis cunt amirite
2016-12-22T03:48:22 < dongs> i donno man
2016-12-22T03:48:36 < dongs> yall pretty racist
2016-12-22T03:48:46 < upgrdman> did dongie reform overnight
2016-12-22T03:48:56 < upgrdman> i miss the old dongs
2016-12-22T03:50:52 < stvn> i miss old germany
2016-12-22T03:52:42 < upgrdman> stvn, http://www.9shades.com/assets/img/post/dont-cry-because-its-over-famous-quote-cb27bec4ec4e1bd14f350d838f19758c.png
2016-12-22T04:05:11 < stvn> amen
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2016-12-22T04:39:51 < stvn> cool brothers
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2016-12-22T05:40:44 < ohsix> http://www.jyetech.com/Products/LcdScope/e150.php built one of these for the shoppe
2016-12-22T05:41:00 < ohsix> the encoder uses polling so it sucks if you use it 'too fast' but it works p. good
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2016-12-22T05:43:04 < ohsix> i used the hot air to put the massive bnc connector on
2016-12-22T05:43:10 < ohsix> that's the worst part of these kits
2016-12-22T05:52:34 < ohsix> lul 0v drifts as it warms up
2016-12-22T05:52:38 < ohsix> by quite a bit
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2016-12-22T05:53:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> My graphics card tinted one screen blue yesterday
2016-12-22T05:53:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> I opened up a game, the card spun up it's fan, heated up, and it's all good now
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2016-12-22T05:57:46 < dongs> wat
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2016-12-22T06:01:10 < ohsix> lul there's a serial eeprom on here, for what looks like licensing garbage
2016-12-22T06:02:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> Worst thing was that I couldn't figure ut how to make it monochrome
2016-12-22T06:02:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> So contrast took a big hit
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2016-12-22T06:02:24 < dongs> is this on lunix or something
2016-12-22T06:02:29 < dongs> or some dodgy AMD hardware
2016-12-22T06:02:37 < dongs> I've never seen graphics card lose a channel on a digital display
2016-12-22T06:02:48 < dongs> this sound like something you'd experience on like a CRT
2016-12-22T06:02:51 < dongs> with VGA
2016-12-22T06:03:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> Windows 10 - same problem in linux and before boot as well. A Nvidia GTX 560TI, -> dvi->vga adaptor -> vga
2016-12-22T06:03:44 < dongs> ..................................
2016-12-22T06:03:50  * dongs checks year
2016-12-22T06:03:58 < aandrew> hah
2016-12-22T06:04:16  * aandrew snacks on seaweed and watches rossmann
2016-12-22T06:04:25 < dongs> lol rossmann fucking jew
2016-12-22T06:04:28 < aandrew> prime dongs recommended tv
2016-12-22T06:04:28 < Jak_o_Shadows> 100% was blaming the graphics card
2016-12-22T06:04:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> I swapped/check a lot of the other easy stuff
2016-12-22T06:04:59 < dongs> its the fucking VGA bro
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2016-12-22T06:06:35 < emeb_mac> I scored a nice 1366x768 LCD monitor with DVI at a thrift store for $5 the other day.
2016-12-22T06:06:50 < dongs> 5"?
2016-12-22T06:07:01 < Jak_o_Shadows> Oh yeah, totally. Literally 1 monitor in the house with DVI though :P
2016-12-22T06:08:06 < emeb_mac> dongs: nah - looks like it's about 19". Not huge, but good size for the resolution.
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2016-12-22T06:37:28 < dongs> guize. which color should i choose from here http://www.takachi-el.co.jp/data/pdf/2016-06-041_47-50.pdf
2016-12-22T06:37:37 < dongs> page 3
2016-12-22T06:39:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> black and red, or black ends, silver body
2016-12-22T06:39:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> Or silver silver
2016-12-22T06:45:23 < ohsix> ReadErr: luuul they're going to run People just do nothing on VICELAND
2016-12-22T06:45:45 < ReadErr> ?
2016-12-22T06:51:22 < ohsix> it's a brit tv show about some chavs that fancy themselves dj's/radio personalities
2016-12-22T06:52:17 < ohsix> there was a new series out just a few weeks ago, viceland is running the trailer on their youtube channel now, they're going to broadcast it here
2016-12-22T06:53:31 < ohsix> series one was a bit ehh but i'm gonna watch the rest now huhuhu
2016-12-22T06:53:43 < ohsix> people are nuts for it so they must have hit on something in the second series
2016-12-22T07:01:09 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/PCB-Layout-Production-Files-from/
2016-12-22T07:01:13 < dongs> > 6 pages of schematics
2016-12-22T07:01:14 < dongs> > 12x50mm
2016-12-22T07:01:16 < dongs> > avoid BGA
2016-12-22T07:01:19 < dongs> just what kinda design is this
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2016-12-22T07:07:07 < aandrew> lol
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2016-12-22T07:07:17 < dongs> o fuck
2016-12-22T07:07:24 < aandrew> oh and a budget of $100
2016-12-22T07:07:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/software-development/Arduino-external-programmer/
2016-12-22T07:07:35 < dongs> i can just copypaste my shittyflasher for this ^
2016-12-22T07:07:36 < dongs> LOL
2016-12-22T07:08:03 < dongs> and I'm pretty sure the jew meant 1000 shekels/hour but whatever, lol
2016-12-22T07:08:24 < dongs> hmm even then thats $260/hr
2016-12-22T07:08:27 < dongs> i guess they really want to get it done.
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2016-12-22T07:10:34 < dongs> jewing
2016-12-22T07:11:03 < ohsix> hm this dso shell thing breaks out a lot of extra io and shit
2016-12-22T07:11:11 < ohsix> power and everything to a header
2016-12-22T07:13:02 < dongs> ahahaha
2016-12-22T07:13:07 < dongs> aandrew: that 6 pagees of schematic
2016-12-22T07:13:10 < dongs> is by LeoTheFreelancer
2016-12-22T07:13:15 < dongs> the guy who made t hat abortion in altium
2016-12-22T07:13:17 < dongs> with 1206 bypass caps
2016-12-22T07:13:19 < dongs> around BGA
2016-12-22T07:14:23 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/LeoTheFreelancer.html aww, he removed that shit from his portfolio
2016-12-22T07:18:02 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulstoffregen/teensy-35-and-36 fucking piece of shit paul shitregen
2016-12-22T07:21:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> Can you shove a debugger onto a teensy?
2016-12-22T07:22:09 < dongs> no idea, its all "programmed" with a tarduino IDE
2016-12-22T07:22:13 < dongs> so imn gonna guess no
2016-12-22T07:22:45 < dongs> fucking closed sores commercial sleazebag that paul faggot
2016-12-22T07:23:22 < emeb_mac> nothing stopping you from using a teensy w/o the Ard IDE
2016-12-22T07:26:15 < dongs> except the fact that its made by closed sores faggot shithead
2016-12-22T07:30:07 < emeb_mac> meh - teensy hardware is dirt simple. treat it like any bare-bones system and it'll be fine
2016-12-22T07:30:24 < dongs> not with cucknetis on it
2016-12-22T07:30:28 < dongs> shit has unreadable docs
2016-12-22T07:30:34 < dongs> and shitty peripherals
2016-12-22T07:30:58 < emeb_mac> well, yeah - freescale stuff is lame
2016-12-22T07:31:50 < emeb_mac> no worse than atmel crud though
2016-12-22T07:35:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm trying to convince a friend to move to stm32 from teensy, 32u4 land
2016-12-22T07:35:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> The debugger is a big selling point
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2016-12-22T07:41:12 < ohsix> there's a touchscreen on this dso shell thing, it's not hooked up to anything tho
2016-12-22T07:41:54 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-12-22T07:42:40 < ohsix> it's behind the lcd so i can't really attach it to the extra io either
2016-12-22T07:44:48 < ohsix> it's pretty nice as a hackable widget, and there's space inside
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2016-12-22T07:57:47 < dongs> fuckin lol
2016-12-22T07:57:52 < dongs> my taiwan pal just bricked his jewlink
2016-12-22T07:57:57 < dongs> with latest firmware
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2016-12-22T08:01:20 < stvn> ulink?
2016-12-22T08:01:23 < ohsix> attack of the clones
2016-12-22T08:01:24 < dongs> no
2016-12-22T08:01:26 < dongs> j-link
2016-12-22T08:01:31 < dongs> he loaded up 6.12d or wahtever
2016-12-22T08:01:33 < dongs> it asked to upggrade
2016-12-22T08:01:40 < dongs> and bricked t he shit into a USB device that needs no drivers
2016-12-22T08:01:50 < stvn> ftdi style
2016-12-22T08:01:55 < dongs> the seller is sending him some "fix kit"
2016-12-22T08:01:56 < dongs> to restore it
2016-12-22T08:02:02 < stvn> oh yeah
2016-12-22T08:04:03 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Plug-AC-100V-240V-DC-9V-1A-Converter-Adapter-Adaptor-Power-Supply-Black-7C-/321933424779?hash=item4af4ba388b:g:nC8AAOSwt6ZWWZs6 lul that connector, wut
2016-12-22T08:04:53 < ohsix> ebay is lousy with them, wtf are they for
2016-12-22T08:05:15 < jpa-> "lousy with them"?
2016-12-22T08:05:31 < ohsix> sort by cheapness and it's all the results for quite a while
2016-12-22T08:06:14 < jpa-> but i've seen that used on various devices, not quite as common as the usual barrel plug
2016-12-22T08:06:22 < dongs> oh fuck he has a terrible fucking c lone
2016-12-22T08:06:29 < dongs> ancient one with atmega AT91SAM7
2016-12-22T08:06:30 < dongs> fuck
2016-12-22T08:06:34 < ohsix> werd
2016-12-22T08:07:01 < ohsix> i was using an analog supply and it is like 12v with the load the jyetech scopes do
2016-12-22T08:07:14 < ohsix> the shell malfunctions with it
2016-12-22T08:08:26 < ohsix> when they were redesigning it, it was kind of silly to keep it running on 9v, 9v sux, 9v did wtc
2016-12-22T08:09:05 < ohsix> there's a boost converter on there to generate the negative reference voltages, they could move it and embiggen it to run it off of 3v
2016-12-22T08:09:24 < dongs> writing on PCB: 
2016-12-22T08:09:27 < dongs> SEGGEN
2016-12-22T08:09:30 < dongs> ROSH ILINK8
2016-12-22T08:18:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> argh. I really just need to install openocd & arm-none-eabi on windows
2016-12-22T08:19:45 < ohsix> why is that an argh
2016-12-22T08:20:04 < ohsix> is it hard? gnu arm embedded is ez, don't remember openocd being crazy
2016-12-22T08:22:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> I can't be bothered. Also, to get some stuff working properly, you need the linux standard tools (find, awk, etc), and they need to be higher in the path
2016-12-22T08:22:44 < jpa-> "some stuff"?
2016-12-22T08:22:48 < dongs> got the fixer kit
2016-12-22T08:23:00 < ohsix> dunno anything that needed awk even on lunix
2016-12-22T08:23:02 < dongs> 5.02 jlink installer , sam-ba, and .bin with haxed firmware
2016-12-22T08:23:54 < jpa-> git for windows comes with the basic lunix tools and everyone already has it to steal github codes
2016-12-22T08:24:11 < ohsix> https://www.caganer.com/en/
2016-12-22T08:24:18 < jpa-> but yeah, if you need to compile something that is designed to only compile on linux, better use linux
2016-12-22T08:24:35 < ohsix> having an os you can hack up is nice, even if it's just a vm
2016-12-22T08:24:43 < ohsix> you can still ssh to it instead of use the console and stuff
2016-12-22T08:25:38 < dongs> so basically all opensores shit
2016-12-22T08:25:41 < dongs> who's autisming?
2016-12-22T08:25:45 < dongs> o6 or lelooman?
2016-12-22T08:26:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> libopencm3.
2016-12-22T08:26:37 < dongs> ah the R2COM-style "im gonna try all these libs and hope it somehow improves my inability to code"
2016-12-22T08:26:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> I have a linux computer, but ssh'ing in is awkward. I can dual boot, but that's almost worse
2016-12-22T08:27:48 < jpa-> how about the ubuntu in windows 10? :)
2016-12-22T08:27:55 < stvn> fuck
2016-12-22T08:28:31 < jpa-> but yeah, libopencm3 looks like it's designed to build only on linux/mac
2016-12-22T08:28:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> what, WSL? Screw that.
2016-12-22T08:28:44 < jpa-> why screw it?
2016-12-22T08:28:52 < jpa-> maybe you can build it once and then use the binary?
2016-12-22T08:29:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> I could just copy stuff over from the linux box - it's not as if it's compiled to run on linux
2016-12-22T08:30:04 < jpa-> yeah
2016-12-22T08:32:32 < aandrew> hey dongs 
2016-12-22T08:32:41 < dongs> yo
2016-12-22T08:33:37 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: be ready to send fixes upstream
2016-12-22T08:34:33 < dongs> anyone with a bricked jlink want this firmware fixer shit?
2016-12-22T08:34:58 < dongs> i should find where my bricked clone is
2016-12-22T08:36:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> ohsix ?
2016-12-22T08:36:31 < aandrew> if I want a decent push-pull protected I/O, can I use something like a Toshiba TBD62783 for the high side and TBD62083 for the low side?
2016-12-22T08:36:45 < aandrew> can I just run the inputs and outputs in parallel to get a push/pull circuit?
2016-12-22T08:37:10 < dongs> cant you just use uhhh
2016-12-22T08:37:23 < dongs> ULN2003A type shit
2016-12-22T08:37:43 < aandrew> I was ideally looking for something much better (self protecting) but it looks like a lot of fuckign work to get the high side included
2016-12-22T08:37:47 < aandrew> the low side is easy
2016-12-22T08:38:01 < aandrew> yeah it's pretty much a ULN2003 (the TBD62083)
2016-12-22T08:38:20 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: you'll likely need to update stuff for your part if it isn't already in there
2016-12-22T08:40:30 < ohsix> loool executive order for import tariffs
2016-12-22T08:40:34 < ohsix> GREAT
2016-12-22T08:40:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> Oh yeah, one of the later commits broke it, I submitted a bug, and it was ignored
2016-12-22T08:41:11 < jpa-> aandrew: do you need protected I/O, or just O?
2016-12-22T08:41:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> So I said bugger it, and downgraded to the commit just before it broke
2016-12-22T08:41:29 < aandrew> I have the i side covered 
2016-12-22T08:41:30 < aandrew> just O
2016-12-22T08:41:36 < aandrew> but would like protected push/pull
2016-12-22T08:41:50 < aandrew> 60V, 0.5A is all that's needed but everything's a lot heavier than that
2016-12-22T08:42:11 < jpa-> that's a lot
2016-12-22T08:42:25 < aandrew> for the low side I have some nice options, even down to SOT23 type size
2016-12-22T08:42:33 < aandrew> but high side it's all DPAK fuckery
2016-12-22T08:43:49 < dongs> maybe someone can port BMP firmware into AT91SAM7
2016-12-22T08:45:14 < jpa-> maybe someone can buy a new jlink clone
2016-12-22T08:45:29 < dongs> hey, I have *legit* jlink ultra+
2016-12-22T08:45:31 < dongs> its fuckin great.
2016-12-22T08:45:37 < dongs> im just lolling at this guy
2016-12-22T08:45:43 < dongs> i was on thne phone wiht him he was trying to flash some shit
2016-12-22T08:45:52 < dongs> hes like "this shit keeps bugging me to update should I do it????
2016-12-22T08:46:02 < dongs> i was like no, its probly gonna get bricked
2016-12-22T08:46:10 < dongs> 5 mins later hes screaming its fucking bricked!!111
2016-12-22T08:46:33 < aandrew> lol
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2016-12-22T08:50:54 < Thorn> I stopped using bmp. maybe the problem is in my my clones but they've been very unreliable
2016-12-22T08:52:19 < dongs> nope, sounds like typical bmp
2016-12-22T08:52:24 < dongs> and now they're running a dickstarter cashgrab
2016-12-22T08:52:30 < dongs> for some more unreliable trash
2016-12-22T08:52:36 < dongs> bundled together with some shit nobody neesd
2016-12-22T08:52:53 < dongs> who teh fuck really needs a stm32f4 devboard for ~$10 when you have -discovery boards WITH STLINK ON THEM ALREADY
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2016-12-22T08:53:37 < dongs> that whole 1bitsquared shit is a fucking scam
2016-12-22T08:53:46 < dongs> designed in europe, shit-made in china
2016-12-22T08:59:38 < ohsix> Thorn: unreliable in wat way
2016-12-22T08:59:48 < ohsix> i have them flashed on a thing but didn't use it much
2016-12-22T09:00:27 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/9pEidoM.gifv
2016-12-22T09:00:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice! i wanted to post that vidya but decided not to
2016-12-22T09:01:14 < ohsix> less effective w/o audio
2016-12-22T09:01:29 < dongs> noped the fuck out of there
2016-12-22T09:01:31 < ohsix> guy is super chill about it
2016-12-22T09:01:42 < upgrdman> i imagine dongs gives these out for christmas   http://www.crochetcocks.com/
2016-12-22T09:01:50 < jadew> he's wearing a mask, it's probably common
2016-12-22T09:03:48 < ohsix> it didn't seem to cause any damage to what they were doing
2016-12-22T09:03:57 < ohsix> work stoppage or watever
2016-12-22T09:04:10 < ohsix> he gets a call later in the video, someone asking what happened
2016-12-22T09:04:39 < ohsix> probably some on site junk
2016-12-22T09:05:12 < ohsix> also no fault interrupter
2016-12-22T09:08:06 < upgrdman> R2COM, is this you  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ_O_EvEG4o&feature=youtu.be
2016-12-22T09:09:24 < ohsix> lul
2016-12-22T09:09:27 < ohsix> that's like my dog
2016-12-22T09:09:31 < ohsix> the little shit
2016-12-22T09:12:39 < Thorn> ohsix: drops connection to target all the time, often does not connect at all
2016-12-22T09:14:11 < ohsix> the gdb connection or the swd one?
2016-12-22T09:15:31 < upgrdman> :)
2016-12-22T09:18:48 < Thorn> swd
2016-12-22T09:21:32 < Kliment> "apparently electrically-heated shower heads are pretty common [in Brazil]" <- what could possibly go wrong?
2016-12-22T09:31:02 < Thorn> what the https://godbolt.org/g/ywj7wV http://ideone.com/REDSOD
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2016-12-22T09:33:01 < ohsix> Kliment: big clive has a video about them
2016-12-22T09:33:02 < ohsix> huhuhu
2016-12-22T09:33:42 < ohsix> Thorn: nice ideone link
2016-12-22T09:33:54 < ohsix> REDSOD sounds like a code name for something
2016-12-22T09:34:23 < Thorn> OPERATION REDSOD
2016-12-22T09:34:31 < Kliment> ohsix: not surprising, sounds right up his alley
2016-12-22T09:35:28 < Thorn> I'm more interested in why the fuck x is never initialized
2016-12-22T09:35:45 < Thorn> even though I seem to do it *twice*
2016-12-22T09:36:27 < jpa-> Kliment: how is that more dangerous than electrically heated water in general?
2016-12-22T09:37:03 < ohsix> heating elements in water heaters are shielded and at least need a licensed installer :p
2016-12-22T09:37:10 < ohsix> they'd short to ground in the thing tripping the breaker
2016-12-22T09:37:21 < ohsix> or to the plumbing, whcih is grounded
2016-12-22T09:37:36 < ohsix> the risk is being put in circuit, cuz the housings are plastic
2016-12-22T09:37:40 < jpa-> well, are the showerheads badly done then? badly done water heaters exist atleast
2016-12-22T09:37:49 < ohsix> yea let me find the video
2016-12-22T09:37:53 < jpa-> though usually the bigger risk is leak or fire, not electrocution
2016-12-22T09:37:59 < jpa-> nah, i don't watch videos
2016-12-22T09:38:11 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNjA0aee07k
2016-12-22T09:38:20 < ohsix> maybe Kliment can tell you about it huhu
2016-12-22T09:38:26 < ohsix> 'the housing is plastic' is the notable bit
2016-12-22T09:38:41 < ohsix> big clive is a top chap
2016-12-22T09:39:34 < ohsix> 5kw :o
2016-12-22T09:39:58 < ohsix> if the alternative is no hot water, i'd def use the thing
2016-12-22T09:41:10 < ohsix> hm i forgot the pipe that goes to the wall was plastic
2016-12-22T09:42:04 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/cNjA0aee07k?t=325 there's a cheat code for the shot of the coil
2016-12-22T09:43:20 < ohsix> he's had some videos up of water heaters for coffee or boiling water that are just two electrodes you put in the water :D
2016-12-22T09:43:59 < Kliment> jpa-: In theory, it's no more dangerous. In practice, they tend to be really badly made and the strain relief in the wiring is insufficient
2016-12-22T09:44:11 < jpa-> there is a crappy version of anything out there
2016-12-22T09:44:32 < ohsix> yea but you can rarely reach it if you slip
2016-12-22T09:44:43 < ohsix> that's like ice skating with knives
2016-12-22T09:46:52 < Kliment> jpa-: Yeah but fixed water heaters are, on average, much better made, mainly because they have enough volume for a heat exchanger AND insulation
2016-12-22T09:47:23 < jpa-> probably true
2016-12-22T09:47:34 < Kliment> jpa-: The heated shower heads are much much cheaper, are used in places with terrible wiring to start with, and have to fit in a smaller volume
2016-12-22T09:48:00 < Kliment> jpa-: This also means the temp of the heating element has to be mugh higher, as the contact time for heat exchange is much shorter
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2016-12-22T10:20:17 < ohsix> ya being immersed is crazy, the coil in the 5kw head looks like a joke
2016-12-22T10:26:56 < Kliment> Immersed is not a bad idea fundamentally - many kettles use immersed coils
2016-12-22T10:28:00 < ohsix> for heating water i dunno
2016-12-22T10:28:07 < ohsix> safety is important but so is going super fast :>
2016-12-22T10:28:22 < ohsix> all plastic kettles for 'water only' are sold in the US that have a naked element in the water
2016-12-22T10:32:02 < dongs> lol.
2016-12-22T10:32:08 < dongs> pal trying to download the fucking sam-ba trash
2016-12-22T10:32:16 < dongs> atmel site is under maintenance
2016-12-22T10:32:17 < dongs> fucking GREAT
2016-12-22T10:32:23 < dongs> and its also behing login/account wall
2016-12-22T10:32:25 < dongs> to even get to exe
2016-12-22T10:33:30 < ohsix> heh this is the place that burned down in oakland, there's a surprise in the last image, scroll way down http://www.oaklandghostship.com/
2016-12-22T10:36:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol
2016-12-22T10:38:34 < Kliment> dongs: it will offend your sensibilities, but you should use bossa
2016-12-22T10:39:06 < Kliment> dongs: seems to be much more stable than sam-ba
2016-12-22T10:39:16 < dongs> that boat already sailed
2016-12-22T10:39:21 < dongs> bossa is even worse nonworking trash
2016-12-22T10:39:34 < Kliment> the entire underlying protocol is bullshit
2016-12-22T10:39:38 < dongs> no doubt
2016-12-22T10:39:52 < Kliment> but I found when one of the two is being shit the other will work
2016-12-22T10:41:51 < upgrdman> sam-ba is for those cortex a shitz from ateml right?
2016-12-22T10:41:56 < dongs> no
2016-12-22T10:42:01 < dongs> its for ancient atmel trash
2016-12-22T10:42:04 < upgrdman> o
2016-12-22T10:42:05 < dongs> in this case, the fucking clone jlink
2016-12-22T10:42:08 < dongs> AT91SAM7
2016-12-22T10:42:13 < Kliment> dongs: they use it for newer parts too
2016-12-22T10:42:35 < ohsix> bossa?
2016-12-22T10:42:46 < Kliment> dongs: specifically their new m0+ parts
2016-12-22T10:42:58 < dongs> well, im fucking sorry to hear that
2016-12-22T10:43:04 < Kliment> ohsix: it's a multiplatform implementation of the sam-ba protocol
2016-12-22T10:43:06 < dongs> ST DFU might be non-standard cancer
2016-12-22T10:43:10 < dongs> but at least its a cancer that has working software
2016-12-22T10:43:33 < Kliment> dongs: except when you implement it via UART :P
2016-12-22T10:43:42 < ohsix> Kliment: ah k didn't know what sam-ba was either, will rtfm
2016-12-22T10:43:55 < Kliment> ohsix: It's the ROM bootloader on some Atmel parts
2016-12-22T10:44:05 < Kliment> SAM Boot Assistant or whatever
2016-12-22T10:44:28 < ohsix> word
2016-12-22T10:44:37 < ohsix> did they try to make it look anything like stk500
2016-12-22T10:44:39 < Kliment> SAM being the part family
2016-12-22T10:44:52 < Kliment> No, not really
2016-12-22T10:45:01 < Kliment> Have a look at the bossa source to see how it works
2016-12-22T10:45:13 < ohsix> yea
2016-12-22T10:45:46 < dongs> Kliment: ? implement waht over uart
2016-12-22T10:46:25 < dongs> ST DFU is usb dfu.
2016-12-22T10:46:52 < ohsix> Kliment: just wondering aloud why they implemented their own thing, really
2016-12-22T10:47:06 < ohsix> if there isn't some tool continuity then lol
2016-12-22T10:47:15 < upgrdman> so how does stm dfu work? do stm32's listen for secret handshake when enum'ing as a usb device?
2016-12-22T10:47:23 < Kliment> upgrdman: kinda, yeah
2016-12-22T10:47:33 < dongs> upgrdman: just standard USB dvu with some extensions
2016-12-22T10:47:33 < Kliment> upgrdman: There's an AN about it
2016-12-22T10:47:50 < ohsix> also has regular boot pin shit to turn it on
2016-12-22T10:48:09 < ohsix> and a way to reset so it jumps to rom
2016-12-22T10:48:12 < Kliment> ohsix: Atmel has an erase pin that puts it in BL mode on reset
2016-12-22T10:49:09 < Kliment> atmel SAM that is
2016-12-22T10:49:26 < Kliment> And there's a software flag to boot in BL mode on next reset
2016-12-22T10:49:32 < ohsix> http://www.varsanofiev.com/inside/at91_sam_ba.htm
2016-12-22T10:49:54 < dongs> erase pin oon these atmel parts is fucking hilarious
2016-12-22T10:49:56 < dongs> why the fuck does it evne exist
2016-12-22T10:50:09 < dongs> waste of pin for fucking nothing
2016-12-22T10:50:17 < ohsix> no internal boot rom for magic boot like on st's part
2016-12-22T10:50:17 < upgrdman> for triggering by intrustion detection maybe?
2016-12-22T10:50:19 < ohsix> or microcode
2016-12-22T10:50:21 < dongs> plz
2016-12-22T10:50:29 < dongs> nothing on failmega is that secret
2016-12-22T10:50:30 < ohsix> st has boot pins yo
2016-12-22T10:50:36 < dongs> also if its not powered the pin doenst matter
2016-12-22T10:51:03 < upgrdman> oh noes, dump the encryption keys, some 13yr old virigin is trying to hack meh device
2016-12-22T10:51:05 < Kliment> There is an internal boot rom
2016-12-22T10:51:17 < dongs> yeah like on ST
2016-12-22T10:51:24 < ohsix> shruggin
2016-12-22T10:51:48 < Kliment> That's what runs if the part is erased, or if it's been set to boot from rom by the boot selection bits
2016-12-22T10:52:02 < Kliment> Also, the at91sam parts are dual-boot
2016-12-22T10:52:25 < ohsix> https://sourceforge.net/p/lejos/wiki-nxt/SAM-BA%20Protocol/ SAM-BA looks familiar
2016-12-22T10:52:33 < ohsix> but i cbf to find the atmel thing like it, if it's not stk
2016-12-22T10:52:36 < Kliment> you can partition the flash into two regions and flip between them on boot
2016-12-22T10:52:44 < ohsix> it looks like a lot of things
2016-12-22T10:53:05 < Kliment> Makes it easy to replace firmware in-place without a bootloader, and have a fallback in case of failure
2016-12-22T10:53:28 < dongs> youre talking about this like its some news
2016-12-22T10:53:31 < dongs> ST has a rom bootlaoder too
2016-12-22T10:53:33 < dongs> and it works
2016-12-22T10:53:45 < ohsix> he's talking about it like he's talking to another person
2016-12-22T10:54:37 < Kliment> a person as opposed to a dong?
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2016-12-22T10:58:12 < ohsix> he knows, just not making autistic jokes for some reason, maybe cuz of the holidays
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2016-12-22T11:11:23 < ohsix> Martin Patience of BBC News reports Nigeria has confiscated 2.5 tonnes of “plastic rice” smuggled into the country by unscrupulous businessmen, the customs service says.
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2016-12-22T11:18:26 < ohsix> buh, i want something like a bus pirate
2016-12-22T11:19:08 < jpa-> FT232H is kind-of close, just wish there were better software for it
2016-12-22T11:20:05 < ohsix> oh heh, actually i hadn't thought of just getting one of those serial chips that do lots of stuff
2016-12-22T11:20:12 < ohsix> the shell on the buspirate is cool
2016-12-22T11:20:27 < ohsix> guess it wouldn't matter if it was just a serial engine plus some python
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2016-12-22T11:33:25 < ohsix> hah what, nielsen tracks top 10 liquors
2016-12-22T11:36:59 < ohsix> k outtie 5000
2016-12-22T11:56:30 < karlp> as if youd have local water heating, either in a big tank, or directly in the showerhead.
2016-12-22T11:56:40 < karlp> hot water should come in piped off the street right? ;)
2016-12-22T11:58:39  * karlp feels that if electric heaters had been cheap and utility enough, we'd have always had direct inline heaters, rather than heated tanks.
2016-12-22T12:05:08 < Thorn> (gdb) x/4x 0
2016-12-22T12:05:09 < Thorn> 0x0:    0xffffffff      0xffffffff      0xffffffff      0xffffffff
2016-12-22T12:05:15 < Thorn> do you love virgin microcontrollers as much as I do?
2016-12-22T12:07:33 < jpa-> nah, the one virgin microcontroller that ended up in double-fault on a board without NRST connection has ruined the experience for me :P
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2016-12-22T12:12:01 < karlp> Jak_o_Shadows: some people are using libopencm3 on windows, and if there's anything specific in the makefiles that aren't working on windows I'm happy to try and fix them, but it does expect make and a posixish shell.
2016-12-22T12:12:06 < ReadErr> virgin microcontrollers cant bitbang for shit
2016-12-22T12:14:11 < karlp> dongs: I'd be interested in your jlink fix kit, I've tried some "fixes" on firmware hacks before, but never got them to work.
2016-12-22T12:14:51 < dongs> karlp: looks like its just instructions to find erase/tst pins, erase it, then use sam-ba to load original firmware
2016-12-22T12:14:58 < dongs> so basically all you nneed is the new .bin
2016-12-22T12:15:00 < dongs> to reflash
2016-12-22T12:16:01 < dongs> http://timecop.mine.nu/J-link V8_Firmware_20121126.zip
2016-12-22T12:16:05 < dongs> thats just the bin
2016-12-22T12:16:20  * karlp hi5s zyp.  may our clearcase days ever rest behind us.
2016-12-22T12:16:21 < dongs> the rest of the shit is just shit you can grab off atmel site (sam-ba) and jlink 5.02.exe isntaller
2016-12-22T12:20:17 < karlp> yeah, I've reflashed it a few times, gave up last time and put it back in the box
2016-12-22T12:20:27 < karlp> will try that bin o fyours one more time next time I'm poking this shit
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2016-12-22T12:27:00 < dongs> yep
2016-12-22T12:27:03 < dongs> my pal gave up
2016-12-22T12:27:10 < dongs> his shit couldnt even be detected by sam-ba trash
2016-12-22T12:27:15 < dongs> got the erase/tst sequnece done
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2016-12-22T12:27:30 < dongs> it came up as some fucked usb device, installed the at91 driver, then none of the shit recognizes it
2016-12-22T12:27:33 < dongs> probly needs LUNIX
2016-12-22T12:27:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> karlp, yeah, it's definitely just the posix'sy bit of it
2016-12-22T12:30:39 < dongs> tinyossshop.com
2016-12-22T12:30:45 < dongs> selling knockoff chinese trash
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2016-12-22T12:30:54 < dongs> much oss wow
2016-12-22T12:31:14 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTAtO0fblN0 wat?
2016-12-22T12:31:26 < dongs> you can measure distance with bluetooth RSSI?
2016-12-22T12:33:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> I remember hearing that years ago
2016-12-22T12:33:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> I never did anything with it
2016-12-22T12:36:27 < karlp> Jak_o_Shadows: anything in particular that's causing pain? I was under the impression it was largely "get msys" -> profit.
2016-12-22T12:36:47 < dongs> < karlp> Jak_o_Shadows: some people are using libopencm3 on windows, and if there's anything specific in the makefiles that aren't working on windows I'm happy to try and fix them, but it does expect make and a posixish shell.
2016-12-22T12:36:57 < dongs> i would expect a keil project shipped with it
2016-12-22T12:37:02 < dongs> before i can even consider it as "pro"
2016-12-22T12:37:14 < dongs> also not having everything in over 9000 folders would be a plus, god damn
2016-12-22T12:37:14 < karlp> someone using keil shouldn't even be looking at libopenaids surely.
2016-12-22T12:37:24 < dongs> that is true
2016-12-22T12:37:27 < jpa-> dongs: the lgpl license wouldn't stop you? :)
2016-12-22T12:37:47 < dongs> jpa-: huh? lgpl would prevent people from shipping keil project file with the lib?
2016-12-22T12:37:57 < jpa-> no i mean from considering it pro
2016-12-22T12:38:01 < dongs> oh
2016-12-22T12:38:04 < dongs> well, its Lgpl right?
2016-12-22T12:38:08 < dongs> so its not 10)% aids
2016-12-22T12:38:15 < jpa-> true enough
2016-12-22T12:38:18  * karlp grins
2016-12-22T12:38:20 < karlp> high praise
2016-12-22T12:38:28 < jpa-> though i'm a bit confused about what it actually requires
2016-12-22T12:38:39 < jpa-> i.e. some relinkable binaries or other weird stuff
2016-12-22T12:38:52 < karlp> ability, somehow, to be able to replace the libopencm3 portion with your own "fixed" version
2016-12-22T12:39:07 < karlp> one way is .o of your private parts plus makefiles
2016-12-22T12:39:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> To be honest, it's only the initla make that is painful. Plus the bit that makes the .ld
2016-12-22T12:39:23 < karlp> for more details, consult your lawyer.
2016-12-22T12:39:35 < karlp> Jak_o_Shadows: you don't hve to use the linkers cript generator
2016-12-22T12:39:39 < jpa-> karlp: yep, sounds difficult :)
2016-12-22T12:39:47 < karlp> that's a pile of awk that I fully agree is not windows friendly.
2016-12-22T12:40:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, I don't anymore - but it was damn nice the first time.
2016-12-22T12:40:23 < karlp> but for most projects your linker script only needs to have like three lines in it.  rom and ram size and offset, and include the base file
2016-12-22T12:41:05 < dongs> i prefer keil approach to linker scripts
2016-12-22T12:41:39 < dongs> anyone used those chinese tarduino BLE modules?
2016-12-22T12:42:12 < dongs> http://www.tinyosshop.com/image/cache/data/wireless/Bluetooth/serialBLE-1-600x600.jpg
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2016-12-22T13:15:10 < dongs> Deliver a working unit: A pro PCB+Electronics + LCD + Power supply Shipping: Tel Aviv, ISRAEL
2016-12-22T13:15:15 < dongs> lots of jews on freecancer lately
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2016-12-22T14:51:09 < PaulFertser> dongs: have you ever visited jewland?
2016-12-22T14:51:36 < dongs> no sir
2016-12-22T14:51:37 < dongs> have you
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2016-12-22T14:54:35 < dongs> huh. sam-ba is just xmodem?
2016-12-22T14:54:39 < dongs> to transfer main binary.
2016-12-22T14:57:15 < PaulFertser> dongs: yes, I have. I was quite impressed. The land that was mostly a desert before is now full of agriculture, forests (for purely recreational purposes), nice roads and modern cities.
2016-12-22T14:57:27 < dongs> cool
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2016-12-22T14:58:52 < PaulFertser> Yes, they've literally planted thousands of trees to create nice wild places "for your enjoyment" (as the stand near the entrance says), and that's not just one or two, there're dozens of various parks there.
2016-12-22T14:59:44 < PaulFertser> And inside towns and cities there's plenty of trees and bushes as well, each has a dedicated water supply, so they grow nicely even in that harsh climate.
2016-12-22T15:01:13 < PaulFertser> At the airport first thing you see is a hall describing many of the scientific and technological advances made by israelis. They seem to be really proud of their scientists!
2016-12-22T15:04:29 < karlp> heh, finally figured out my luacrc32 problem.
2016-12-22T15:04:33 < dongs> yes, arent most greatest intel CPUs designed in israel
2016-12-22T15:04:40 < karlp> my lua imple wsan't actually reading the whole file in.
2016-12-22T15:04:53 < karlp> so was comparing crcs over completely different fucking samplesets
2016-12-22T15:05:01 < karlp> now of course it works first go :)
2016-12-22T15:05:09 < dongs> wat, good job
2016-12-22T15:05:19 < karlp> yeah, dum
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2016-12-22T15:12:52 < PaulFertser> I've read in the news one guy who bought a simple GPS tracker (to add additional level of security to his own car, https://wtf.jpg.wtf/c3/dd/1480608074-c3dda927d1c64fcf77c95a27e3f9b1c5.jpeg ) is now getting prosecuted for "illegal obtaining of spy/surveillance equipment". Facing up to 4 years in jail. How do you like that? I'm more and more convinced it's about time to leave russia :/ 
2016-12-22T15:13:45 < karlp> dongs: isn't sam-ba just an incompatible version of dfu?
2016-12-22T15:13:50 < karlp> or is that atmel flip?
2016-12-22T15:15:26 < dongs> no thats flip
2016-12-22T15:15:36 < dongs> sam-ba looks to be over serial and some xmodem-y shit with a dum CLI
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2016-12-22T15:26:57 < bartekww> hey
2016-12-22T15:27:09 < bartekww> i have got enc28j60 on tuxgraphics ip stack
2016-12-22T15:27:23 < bartekww> when i ping from my pc to enc
2016-12-22T15:27:26 < bartekww> i got 5ms ping
2016-12-22T15:27:33 < bartekww> it's on same lan
2016-12-22T15:27:33 < dongs> are you sure you're in right ch annel for t his
2016-12-22T15:27:36 < bartekww> yup
2016-12-22T15:27:40 < dongs> why would anyone use ENC28J on tarduino
2016-12-22T15:27:43 < dongs> err on STM32
2016-12-22T15:27:45 < bartekww> enc is connected to stm32
2016-12-22T15:27:47 < dongs> when most of htem have ethernet mac/phy
2016-12-22T15:27:47 < bartekww> f103
2016-12-22T15:27:48 < dongs> why?
2016-12-22T15:28:06 < bartekww> F103C8T6 don't have phy
2016-12-22T15:28:51 < dongs> im not sure what do you expect
2016-12-22T15:28:57 < dongs> 5ms is reasonable for a piece of shit tarduino ethernet chip
2016-12-22T15:28:59 < dongs> running over spi
2016-12-22T15:30:38 < bartekww> it's varying from 2 to 5 ms
2016-12-22T15:30:51 < dongs> sounds reasonable to me
2016-12-22T15:31:33 < bartekww> 20 ms on load
2016-12-22T15:31:58 < karlp> f103 doesn't have a _mac_ 
2016-12-22T15:31:59 < bartekww> when i ping to my mikrotik i have got 0.2ms ping
2016-12-22T15:32:30 < qyx> bartekww: ~0.2ms achievable on F107 with onchip mac + micrel phy
2016-12-22T15:32:31 < karlp> your network stack is probably shit then.
2016-12-22T15:32:52 < qyx> from a standard linux box with intel adapter
2016-12-22T15:33:09 < qyx> that was using chibios and lwip
2016-12-22T15:33:20 < qyx> I would blame the enc28j60
2016-12-22T15:33:27 < ReadErr> maybe ur code just scuks
2016-12-22T15:34:41 < qyx> also, I don't remember exactyl, do you poll the enc or do you use interrupts?
2016-12-22T15:34:55 < bartekww> i have tuxgraphics stack in while(1)
2016-12-22T15:35:37 < bartekww> i don't know how to use lwip
2016-12-22T15:35:43 < dongs> tuxgraphics sounds like a branch of uguuFx
2016-12-22T15:35:51 < ReadErr> lol
2016-12-22T15:35:58 < karlp> then you don't get to demand that it's performance be fixed for you :)
2016-12-22T15:36:05 < dongs> so its proly just as shit
2016-12-22T15:36:15 < bartekww> so it's stack fault?
2016-12-22T15:36:37 < ReadErr> if latency is so critical why not get better mcu
2016-12-22T15:37:03 < bartekww> because it's cheap
2016-12-22T15:37:09 < bartekww> and it's on aliexpress
2016-12-22T15:37:14 < ReadErr> yea so are prostitutes with HIV
2016-12-22T15:37:20 < qyx> lol
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2016-12-22T15:39:28 < bartekww> how to get lwip working?
2016-12-22T15:40:11 < ReadErr> did you make ur reset work?
2016-12-22T15:40:22 < bartekww> nope
2016-12-22T15:40:27 < bartekww> still manually resetting it :D
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2016-12-22T16:55:43 < bartekww> how to use LwIP?
2016-12-22T16:55:49 < bartekww> i can't find any info about it
2016-12-22T16:55:55 < bartekww> or i need other ip stack
2016-12-22T17:02:55 < karlp> or you need to go, "you know what, 5ms is way shorter than I can distinguish, I should just move on with my life"
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2016-12-22T17:12:53 < bartekww> karlp: realtime light controlling
2016-12-22T17:13:09 < dongs> why are you choosing wrong tools for the job then
2016-12-22T17:14:24 < karlp> if 5ms isn't realytime enough for lights, I can't see how 0.2ms is going to be.
2016-12-22T17:15:16 < bartekww> isnt
2016-12-22T17:15:23 < bartekww> ping is jumping up to 40 ms
2016-12-22T17:15:29 < bartekww> on load
2016-12-22T17:17:13 < karlp> "on load"?
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2016-12-22T17:33:48 <@englishman> did you know
2016-12-22T17:34:03 <@englishman> stdperiphlib license prohibits use on any platform not made by ST
2016-12-22T17:34:11 <@englishman> and therefore is not libre open sores
2016-12-22T17:35:08 < fenugrec> why on earth would you use SPL code on non-ST ICs
2016-12-22T17:35:41 < Thorn> there're apparently some china clones
2016-12-22T17:36:23 < fenugrec> GD* ?
2016-12-22T17:36:50 < fenugrec> if you're using shady clones, you probably shouldn't be losing sleep over licensing issues
2016-12-22T17:37:51 <@englishman> just saying
2016-12-22T17:37:55 <@englishman> if this is a problem for you
2016-12-22T17:37:58 <@englishman> not using libreopensores
2016-12-22T17:38:14 <@englishman> maybe your name rhymes with hallman
2016-12-22T17:46:13 < jpa-> englishman: wasn't the st license changed a few years back
2016-12-22T17:46:56 < jpa-> http://ds.arm.com/media/resources/db/chip/st/stm32f756/stm32f7xx.h   for example there, looks pretty basic bsd;  but haven't checked all stdperiph files
2016-12-22T17:50:48 <@englishman> yeah i dono im pretty sure i copypasted that a couple years ago
2016-12-22T17:51:02 <@englishman> also thats cmsis, and stdperiphlib is dead
2016-12-22T17:51:30 < Rob235> NEVER
2016-12-22T17:51:34 < Rob235> stdperiph for life
2016-12-22T17:52:09 < Rob235> I have no idea what you guys are talking about...
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2016-12-22T18:05:34 < KreAture_Zzz> https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/AirPods+Teardown/75578
2016-12-22T18:05:38 < KreAture_Zzz> stm inside
2016-12-22T18:05:39 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2016-12-22T18:16:22 <@englishman> wow a psoc
2016-12-22T18:20:17 < dongs> lol, 0/.10
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2016-12-22T19:04:12 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/MXHVqId0MQc?t=6m14s
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2016-12-22T19:18:22 < aandrew> interesting, they used a PSoC4 in the airpods
2016-12-22T19:24:30 < aandrew> well PROC probably for the radio
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2016-12-22T20:18:17 <@englishman> attn dongs https://i.sli.mg/nVEPf8.jpg
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2016-12-22T20:20:10 < BrainDamage> so old it gets reposted every year
2016-12-22T20:20:16 <@englishman> lol
2016-12-22T20:20:29 <@englishman> new 2 me
2016-12-22T20:23:24 < Steffanx> With stupid.
2016-12-22T20:29:23 < upgrdman> with i2c, if the mcu had to send a repeated start, does that mean the slave did not ACK the start?
2016-12-22T20:31:22 < PaulFertser> No, repeated start is when you want to continue grabbing the bus you're already using.
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2016-12-22T21:20:14 < TheSeven> upgrdman: usually part of a read transaction, in order to turn around transfer direction after writing an address
2016-12-22T21:23:02 < TheSeven> so I want to drive a stepper motor using a timer, i.e. give a step pulse to an A4988
2016-12-22T21:23:20 < TheSeven> and I'd like to have a nice smooth step frequency range
2016-12-22T21:23:45 < TheSeven> any tricks how to do that?
2016-12-22T21:24:31 < TheSeven> if I just change the PSC or ARR value of the timer, the frequency steps are not linear
2016-12-22T21:24:40 < TheSeven> so I guess I'll have to mess with both somehow
2016-12-22T21:36:25 <@englishman> http://img.banggood.com/thumb/water/oaupload/banggood/images/6B/5D/69fa0118-2c0c-4d26-bee8-e123c2cb27db.png
2016-12-22T21:36:28 <@englishman> whats with all the missing pads
2016-12-22T21:36:57 < Kliment> they got banged good I guess
2016-12-22T21:37:03 <@englishman> stm32, imu, even usb lol
2016-12-22T21:37:17 < TheSeven> probably used the space to sneak out some traces
2016-12-22T21:37:45 < Kliment> that via doesn't look safe
2016-12-22T21:38:01 < TheSeven> well, does it need to on banggood? :P
2016-12-22T21:38:23 < Kliment> It will make a pretty good bang when powered on you mean?
2016-12-22T21:38:34 < TheSeven> quite probably ;)
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2016-12-22T22:08:57 < aandrew> attn dongs: http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/gatebox-azuma-hikari-virtual-assistant-news/
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2016-12-22T23:38:29 < upgrdman> so variables written to by ISRs should be marked volatile. do static variables inside an ISR need to be marked volatile?
2016-12-22T23:38:50 < karlp> englishman: what part is that on banggood?
2016-12-22T23:39:09 < zyp> upgrdman, are they accessed outside the ISR?
2016-12-22T23:39:15 < upgrdman> no
2016-12-22T23:39:19 < zyp> then no
2016-12-22T23:39:22 < upgrdman> ok thanks
2016-12-22T23:40:14 < zyp> the volatile is needed because an ISR can change global vars at any time
2016-12-22T23:40:35 < zyp> but an ISR can't interrupt itself
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2016-12-22T23:50:58 < Kliment> zyp: What if another interrupt triggers the same handler? will it nest?
2016-12-22T23:51:24 < TheSeven> IIUC yes
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2016-12-23T00:00:53 < Kliment> Then ISR-internal statics should be volatile too
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2016-12-23T00:05:27 < zyp> if you point multiple vectors to the same handler function and the vectors are in different priority groups then yes, it can nest
2016-12-23T00:06:09 < zyp> but I can't really imagine a sane reason to do that
2016-12-23T00:07:19 < Lambda-Aurigae> I can imagine several insane reasons.
2016-12-23T00:08:49 < zyp> good for you
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2016-12-23T00:10:18 < Kliment> fault handlers are the most common case I can think of
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2016-12-23T00:14:18 < zyp> by default all faults are promoted directly to hardfault, why would you enable any other fault handlers if you're just going to redirect them back to the same handler?
2016-12-23T00:15:00 < zyp> also, if your fault handler triggers a fault, I think you've got bigger issues to worry about than volatile correctness :)
2016-12-23T00:18:10 < Kliment> I agree
2016-12-23T00:18:50 < Kliment> You just got me thinking when you said an ISR can't interrupt itself so I tried to come up with a scenario
2016-12-23T00:19:29 < Kliment> Anyways, enough thinking, sleep time
2016-12-23T00:20:54 < kakimir> is there limit to printf formated float width?
2016-12-23T00:21:03 < kakimir> if I set width 100
2016-12-23T00:21:07 < kakimir> will it print it all?
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2016-12-23T00:25:41 < Lambda-Aurigae> would be the limit of the float library most likely....you would probably end up with a bunch of trailing zeros
2016-12-23T00:27:46 < kakimir> oh.. trailing zeros
2016-12-23T00:27:55 < kakimir> that is not what I want
2016-12-23T00:28:37 < kakimir> what if I have precision set?
2016-12-23T00:28:47 < kakimir> so there is maximum number after the point?
2016-12-23T00:28:52 < kakimir> of decimals
2016-12-23T00:31:01 < zyp> how would you guys scale a ±12V signal to ADC input range?
2016-12-23T00:31:38 < kakimir> offset with opamp
2016-12-23T00:34:12 < kakimir> you may need another one for 1/2 voltage level buffer
2016-12-23T00:38:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbjM5SmxrdTVKY2c/view?usp=sharing there is functioning one for 230VAC
2016-12-23T00:39:13 < kakimir> just copy the principle and test in ltspice?
2016-12-23T00:39:28 < kakimir> there might even be name for such circuit
2016-12-23T00:39:46 < zyp> that looks like a difference amplifier
2016-12-23T00:40:20 < kakimir> but it has like that offsetting to it
2016-12-23T00:40:57 < zyp> hmm, that might be good, I still have a spare opamp of the quad that I'm already using
2016-12-23T00:41:02 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_amplifier_applications#Differential_amplifier_.28difference_amplifier.29
2016-12-23T00:41:12 < zyp> just need to work out the math
2016-12-23T00:41:16 < kakimir> practically done with buffered resistor divider so it's low impendance
2016-12-23T00:42:32 < kakimir> that is ground level referred and only difference is that ground is replaced with low impendance 1/2 voltage source
2016-12-23T00:44:06 <@englishman> karlp: random chinatrash http://www.banggood.com/Mini-ACRO-F4-Betaflight-Flight-Controller-Buil-in-PDB-5V1A-BEC-with-Micro-Buzzer-p-1110441.html?rmmds=search
2016-12-23T00:46:07 < kakimir> buzzer is good to have
2016-12-23T00:46:17 < kakimir> but doubled buzzers
2016-12-23T00:46:22 < kakimir> better
2016-12-23T00:55:25 < kakimir> zyp: you can tell from resistor sizes in my circuit that those resistor dividers have 100µA currents in them at inputs being 325V
2016-12-23T00:56:00 < kakimir> but it's precision opamp or so
2016-12-23T00:56:41 < kakimir> with basic shittes I would have 1mA at maximum vdiff
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2016-12-23T01:00:26 < kakimir> does the opamp type even matter that much how much current is required
2016-12-23T01:00:46 < kakimir> input leakage is still minimal
2016-12-23T01:01:20 < kakimir> and capacitance is similar in generic and precision ones
2016-12-23T01:03:20 < kakimir> 100µA is like stetson-harrison based number
2016-12-23T01:06:44 < kakimir> input leakage is like picoamps
2016-12-23T01:11:25 < zyp> okay, I think I got it worked out
2016-12-23T01:25:25 < calle__> is there a general channel about embedded software on freenode, ​#​#embedded seems to be gone?
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2016-12-23T01:28:52 < zyp> kakimir, http://tinyurl.com/j6sq8np <- doesn't have to make it harder than this
2016-12-23T01:29:52 < zyp> so I'll do that to make it positive and then follow with a plain divider to get within ADC range
2016-12-23T01:32:58 < zyp> I could change the gain of the opamp circuit to get it within 0..3.3V, but following with a passive voltage divider will protect the analog input
2016-12-23T01:33:39 < zyp> opamp will be powered with 12V, so it can't drive more than 12V, and with that divided down to 3.3V, analog input can't exceed allowed range
2016-12-23T01:40:29 < kakimir> when +-12 is with same ground reference than the circuit that is the circuit
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2016-12-23T03:59:52 < TheSeven> hm is there a way to atomically update the PSC and ARR values of a timer?
2016-12-23T04:00:12 < TheSeven> if an update event hits in between that's a bit nasty
2016-12-23T04:00:45 < TheSeven> I guess I'd have to clear CEN, but that would throw off timing
2016-12-23T04:05:17 < Thorn> I saw an article about driving ws2812 using 2 timers and dma which seems relevant
2016-12-23T04:06:11 < TheSeven> that stuff is slow, consistent and predictable enough to just update the timer at a given point relative to its cycle where you can be sure that it's race free
2016-12-23T04:10:35 < fenugrec> TheSeven interrupt disable ? sucks, but deterministic
2016-12-23T04:10:41 < TheSeven> doesn't help
2016-12-23T04:10:49 < TheSeven> the timer can still capture the values during that time
2016-12-23T04:10:58 < fenugrec> + CEN disable
2016-12-23T04:11:01 < fenugrec> hm
2016-12-23T04:11:08 < TheSeven> the only thing that I can think of is polling the timer counter and if it's too close, spin until it has passed the next update
2016-12-23T04:11:44 < fenugrec> indeed
2016-12-23T04:11:54 < Rob235> amazing, I found a project for the fpga board I ordered with everything hooked up
2016-12-23T04:12:55 < fenugrec> or, can you interrupt after a rollover and do the update in there
2016-12-23T04:13:44 < TheSeven> the speed range of that timer is huge, around 2 to 200000 ticks per second
2016-12-23T04:14:16 < TheSeven> I can't really afford unnecessary work (that only has to be done once a millisecond) in an IRQ handler that is called every 5µs
2016-12-23T04:14:32 < TheSeven> (on a 48Mhz CM0)
2016-12-23T04:14:50 < fenugrec> I mean, when you need an update, enable the rollover interrupt only once
2016-12-23T04:15:09 < TheSeven> I need the rollover interrupt always to count cycles
2016-12-23T04:15:25 < TheSeven> and missing cycles can be catastrophic
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2016-12-23T04:15:53 <@englishman> maybe a microcontroller is not for you
2016-12-23T04:16:53 < TheSeven> sure, and FPGA could do this kind of thing a lot easier, but I'm not going to have one here
2016-12-23T04:18:00 <@englishman> im still not sure what youre doing
2016-12-23T04:18:07 <@englishman> but it sounds like the solution could be multiple timers
2016-12-23T04:18:10 <@englishman> one triggered by the other
2016-12-23T04:18:27 <@englishman> or a timer used just for counting with a triggered input
2016-12-23T04:18:28 <@englishman> etc.
2016-12-23T04:58:59 < ColdKeyboard> const uint8_t *String = (uint8_t*)"Hello\r\n";
2016-12-23T04:59:02 < ColdKeyboard> HAL_UART_Transmit(&huart1, String, (int)strlen(String), 0);
2016-12-23T04:59:13 < ColdKeyboard> Why is this thing only sending 2 bytes over uart?
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2016-12-23T05:01:27 < ColdKeyboard> Replaced 0 with HAL_MAX_DELAY and now it works...
2016-12-23T05:15:29 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: ah so they are different
2016-12-23T05:15:31 < aandrew> ok
2016-12-23T05:15:33 < aandrew> so it was timing out before
2016-12-23T05:16:29 < ColdKeyboard> It seems HAL_MAX_DELAY solves the issue
2016-12-23T05:18:31 < ColdKeyboard> Does printf use fputc or putc?
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2016-12-23T05:24:31 < aandrew> not sure. override __io_putchar I think
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2016-12-23T05:48:56 < ohsix> putchar is so forceful
2016-12-23T05:49:01 < ohsix> can't it have a nicer name
2016-12-23T05:51:13 < aandrew> ugh wtf altium
2016-12-23T05:51:30 < aandrew> I'm using an NTZD3155 (P/N mosfet in SC70-6)
2016-12-23T05:51:39 < aandrew> one half is used in one subcircuit
2016-12-23T05:51:59 < aandrew> I'm using the other half (NOT of the same physical part) in another subcircuit
2016-12-23T05:52:14 < aandrew> I reannotate and it decides that these two can be joined together as Q1A and Q1B
2016-12-23T05:52:15 < aandrew> fuck no
2016-12-23T05:52:26 < aandrew> it also is swpaping part A and part B on me for some reason
2016-12-23T05:54:05 < dongs> owent
2016-12-23T05:55:40 < dongs> bloggin
2016-12-23T05:55:49 < ohsix> Kliment: lul the bossa source is special
2016-12-23T05:55:56 < ohsix> with port factories and everything
2016-12-23T05:56:03 < ohsix> this is nuclear grade enterprise material
2016-12-23T05:56:32 < ohsix> who was talking shit about xpm in a windows program? https://github.com/shumatech/BOSSA/blob/master/src/ShumaTechLogo.cpp dude just bin2c'd a .bmp file instead
2016-12-23T05:56:43 < ohsix> and it is just a logo.
2016-12-23T05:56:47 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/NXHFX check that shit out
2016-12-23T05:56:49 < aandrew> did I fuck that up
2016-12-23T05:57:13 < aandrew> 1) I dont' want either the CR2032 nor the supercap (one or the other is installed) from backfeeding P3V3
2016-12-23T05:57:19 < aandrew> 2) I don't want P3V3 from charging the CR2032
2016-12-23T05:57:28 < aandrew> 3) I want to "soft charge" the supercap
2016-12-23T05:57:43 < aandrew> 4) when no power is applied, I want no diode drop between the supercap and VRTC
2016-12-23T05:58:33 < ohsix> there's a diode in the fet
2016-12-23T05:58:48 < aandrew> yes but when P3V3 is gone, Q13B is on, shorting out the body diode
2016-12-23T05:58:50 < ohsix> 33 is the supercap right?
2016-12-23T05:58:53 < aandrew> yes
2016-12-23T05:59:19 < ohsix> i don't think that's what happens but i dunno, can't tell you the answer from memory
2016-12-23T05:59:24 < aandrew> well
2016-12-23T05:59:30 < aandrew> P-chan enhancement mode fet
2016-12-23T05:59:53 < aandrew> when Vgs < Vgsth, it's on
2016-12-23T06:00:03 < ColdKeyboard> aandrew: Won't Q13B have slow turn-on time because of that C78?
2016-12-23T06:00:10 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: that's the point
2016-12-23T06:00:28 < aandrew> when P3V3 is present, I want a slow turn on for Q13B which will slow-charge the supercap
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2016-12-23T06:00:50 < aandrew> when P3V3 is not present, Q13B is hard-on (heh heh) and the body diode is shorted
2016-12-23T06:01:19 < ColdKeyboard> Right but when the P3V3 goes out, C78 has to be discharged slowly before Q13B gets to ON state.
2016-12-23T06:01:33 < ColdKeyboard> meanwhile if you have high inrush current, it could kill fet trough body diode
2016-12-23T06:01:56 < ohsix> aandrew: aah
2016-12-23T06:02:29 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: yes, but VRTC has 100nF on it and is miniscule current anyway so there hsouldn't be any issues for the body diode while the fet discharges
2016-12-23T06:02:32 < aandrew> er while C78 discharges
2016-12-23T06:03:49 < ColdKeyboard> Instead of C78 consider maybe a resistor between Q13 S and P3V3 or put a small capacitor between Q13B G-S that will limit the inrush current of the super-cap
2016-12-23T06:04:42 < aandrew> I was thinking mayhbe a resistor between C13B drain and VRTC
2016-12-23T06:05:08 < aandrew> so the resistor is in circuit while Q13A is turning on, doing the soft charge
2016-12-23T06:05:11 < ohsix> Thorn: reading redsod, did you actually initialize x? won't it be scope shadowed
2016-12-23T06:06:08 < ColdKeyboard> Btw is that Q5A just for reverse polarity?
2016-12-23T06:06:26 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: Q5A yes is only to prevent VRTC from trying to back-power the P3V3 rail
2016-12-23T06:07:46 < ColdKeyboard> Alight. Looks good. Also if you haven't tried it yet, simulate it with PSpice or Microcap or something else
2016-12-23T06:07:52 < aandrew> yeah
2016-12-23T06:08:02 < aandrew> not sure what a resistor in series with the FET will do for me
2016-12-23T06:08:26 < aandrew> in parallel with it I can see but it's just doing the same thing as the R123/C78 network
2016-12-23T06:08:30 < ColdKeyboard> Some supercaps have ridiculious small ESR so they kill fets for lunch :)
2016-12-23T06:08:47 < aandrew> yes, hence the slow charge :-)
2016-12-23T06:09:13 < ColdKeyboard> :)
2016-12-23T06:09:17 < aandrew> VRTC is at 3.3V when P3V3 goes away and draws very little current which is why I'm not super worried about the initial conditions when P3V3 goes away
2016-12-23T06:09:32 < dongs> aandrew: is this rtc for stm32 or something?
2016-12-23T06:09:37 < aandrew> ja
2016-12-23T06:09:38 < dongs> i mean vbat
2016-12-23T06:09:44 < dongs> why dont you just connect it to vbat and not care at all?
2016-12-23T06:09:51 < dongs> isnt that how it works?
2016-12-23T06:09:56 < ColdKeyboard> You will get the same effect if you put R in between Q5A pin 6 and Q5B pin 4 :)
2016-12-23T06:10:10 < dongs> or do you ahve some other shit powered by vbat besides stm?
2016-12-23T06:10:18 < aandrew> VRTC is *only* going to STM
2016-12-23T06:10:29 < aandrew> but I don't want VRTC back-powering P3V3
2016-12-23T06:10:34 < dongs> then why the fuck are you wasting time with ANY of that?
2016-12-23T06:10:36 < aandrew> and I want to slow-charge C33
2016-12-23T06:10:41 < aandrew> I dont' follow
2016-12-23T06:10:45 < dongs> bat+ -> VBAT on stm, done
2016-12-23T06:10:50 < dongs> stm has internal switch
2016-12-23T06:10:54 < dongs> to toggle between vbat and 3v3 
2016-12-23T06:10:55 < aandrew> my BAT+ is 24V
2016-12-23T06:10:56 < dongs> when its powered
2016-12-23T06:11:04 < dongs> im talkin about J3 vbat
2016-12-23T06:11:25 < dongs> the fucking STM has a switch inside to disconnect vbat from 3v3 when 3v3 is present
2016-12-23T06:11:32 < dongs> it only draws when theres no 3v3 rail
2016-12-23T06:11:36 < dongs> and it doesnt backfeed/charge
2016-12-23T06:11:45 < aandrew> dongs: the STM32 itself will switch from 3V3 on STM32 and VBAT on STM32?
2016-12-23T06:11:48 < dongs> yes...
2016-12-23T06:11:53 < dongs> look at block diagram
2016-12-23T06:11:54 < dongs> on any of htem
2016-12-23T06:11:55 < aandrew> well fuck
2016-12-23T06:12:01 < dongs> you dont need ANY of that stuff
2016-12-23T06:12:02 < aandrew> thsi ist he first time I've had to ever worry about it
2016-12-23T06:12:04 < dongs> just connect battery directly and done
2016-12-23T06:12:22 < aandrew> I still need to charge that supercap though if they don't want CR2032
2016-12-23T06:13:02 < upgrdman> those of you that do firmware AND software: with GUIs do you take the easy way out and make your windows/dialogs a fixed size? my coworkers do that and it pisses me right the fuck off. they dont want to take the time to properly layout the widgets so they can resize/flow appropriately.
2016-12-23T06:13:22 < aandrew> upgrdman: I don't do much GUI shit
2016-12-23T06:13:25 < dongs> no, since  flowing shit is ez wiht .NET thats what I do
2016-12-23T06:13:27 < dongs> fuck fixed size shit
2016-12-23T06:13:34 < dongs> fixed size = VB6
2016-12-23T06:14:01 < upgrdman> dongs, good. and ya, wtf, chinagineers are still using VB6 (actually VB6) for current shit
2016-12-23T06:14:03 < ColdKeyboard> btw, is there an example on how to use fatfs with stm32f0 and cubemx?
2016-12-23T06:14:16 < ohsix> upgrdman: fixed position basically works on nothing and you'll end up doing it over and over
2016-12-23T06:14:25 < ohsix> dunno what you do on windows about it
2016-12-23T06:14:41 < upgrdman> ohsix, i know. i do the the right way. but they just want make it trivial with fixed layouts
2016-12-23T06:15:25 < ohsix> up to you if you want to learn shit a designer is really for to try and get it right
2016-12-23T06:15:54 < ohsix> can try to crib off their design guides or something, but those change in annoying time frames (<10 years)
2016-12-23T06:16:23 < ohsix> java still, right?
2016-12-23T06:16:46 < upgrdman> im doing java, theyre using visual c++ and visual basic and one guy started to learn java
2016-12-23T06:16:46 < ohsix> ther'es bound to be a framework that lets you use a text description for the layout, and a tool to edit it; bonus, people can translate the ui and make it work
2016-12-23T06:16:50 < ohsix> o
2016-12-23T06:17:25 < upgrdman> ya i think that's the problem. they dont want to learn a framework. they want to keep doing what they know... and they know, well, very little.
2016-12-23T06:22:17 < aandrew> ok so yeah
2016-12-23T06:22:29 < aandrew> I'll just charge the supercap though fet controlled from an I/O pin on the STM32
2016-12-23T06:22:34 < aandrew> the battery doesn't need ot be charged
2016-12-23T06:22:43 < aandrew> so yeah that'll work
2016-12-23T06:23:02 < ohsix> upgrdman: as long as they get paid to keep that ui up to date and it isn't a systemic problem, it's just cost of biz
2016-12-23T06:23:28 < ohsix> i have an interesting old windows book, might even be pre-mfc, but it basically goes through writing a c++ wrapper, and having a layout manager and shit
2016-12-23T06:23:48 < ohsix> wtl might already do something in this area too
2016-12-23T06:25:02 < ohsix> lul wtl is practically dead
2016-12-23T06:26:22 < ohsix> another thing that sucks shit about doing it 'right' on windows, all of the programs will look different
2016-12-23T06:26:29 < upgrdman> random q: whats a good duster for cleaning little crevasses? like keyboard keys, etc. thinking some sort of mini feather duster?
2016-12-23T06:27:00 < ohsix> i run a toothpick between the keys and pull all the junk out at the edges
2016-12-23T06:27:20 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i dont have stuff like that in my keys. just dust.
2016-12-23T06:27:39 < ohsix> dunno of anything that'll really get in there and get it
2016-12-23T06:28:02 < ohsix> there's a goop ball thing that is sticky and can be cleaned, it's good for electronics
2016-12-23T06:28:08 < ohsix> it will grab everything you can see, basically
2016-12-23T06:28:38 < ohsix> http://cyberclean.net/ can't vouch for it tho lolol
2016-12-23T06:28:55 < ohsix> that fella sure looks pleased with himself
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2016-12-23T06:29:34 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOT-Universal-Cleaning-Glue-High-Tech-Cleaner-Keyboard-Wipe-Compound-Cyber-Clean-/232152276051?hash=item360d5a9c53:g:w-wAAOSw4GVYNPbq
2016-12-23T06:30:07 < ohsix> it looks like it flows, so you could concievably get under the keys if you left it a bit
2016-12-23T06:32:02 < ohsix> there are cheaper listings, going to order some
2016-12-23T06:32:42 < ohsix> 'dirt gel'
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2016-12-23T06:37:13 < dongs> fuckin dongs
2016-12-23T06:37:32 < dongs> i only have dried jizz in my keys
2016-12-23T06:37:43 < dongs> plot twist: not mine
2016-12-23T06:40:09 < ReadErr> sniff it like a keybump
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2016-12-23T06:43:41 < ColdKeyboard> How do I tell fat fs what commands to use for accessing SPI ? Does CubeMX take care of that or do I do that, and where?
2016-12-23T06:45:12 < upgrdman> http://www.willa.me/2013/11/the-six-most-common-species-of-code.html
2016-12-23T06:45:23 < upgrdman> "good enough for the demo, lol" .... hehe
2016-12-23T06:45:35 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: er? there's like diskio.c or wahtever
2016-12-23T06:45:49 < dongs> thats the lowlevel thing that read sector/write sector/ioctl
2016-12-23T06:46:04 < dongs> donno what cube does, im pretty sure it pre-fills all that shit
2016-12-23T06:46:14 < dongs> if it doenst, just wrwite it yourself
2016-12-23T06:47:24 < ohsix> it can fill that stuff i think
2016-12-23T06:47:46 < ohsix> just use cube to generate middleware with fatfs+spi and then go into the middleware block and see if you can enable them together
2016-12-23T06:47:55 < ColdKeyboard> That's why I'm confused. I don't see an option in CubeMX to say SPI1 is for SD card...
2016-12-23T06:48:13 < ohsix> you can also go into cube's db folder and look at the template it has for fatfs
2016-12-23T06:48:36 < ohsix> cube just expands tags and adds those files to the target dir
2016-12-23T06:48:39 < ohsix> bbl
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2016-12-23T07:00:28 < dongs> they probly want you to write it then
2016-12-23T07:00:34 < dongs> also why not use SDIO
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2016-12-23T07:05:35 < ColdKeyboard> It seems that they want me to implement DSTATUS USER_status, init, write read and etc... no idea what or how should I set those...
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2016-12-23T07:18:24 < Rob235> Info (293000): Quartus Prime Full Compilation was successful. 0 errors, 484 warnings
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2016-12-23T07:20:40 < ohsix> is that the plot of a michael bay movie
2016-12-23T07:21:14 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: lul you need to talk to the storage :p
2016-12-23T07:21:35 < ohsix> fatfs comes with samples
2016-12-23T07:23:20 < ohsix> ah yea cube only offers 'User defined' for fatfs middleware
2016-12-23T07:24:35 < ohsix> http://elm-chan.org/fsw/ff/en/appnote.html start reading
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2016-12-23T07:29:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, I am slowly looking into the fat stuff
2016-12-23T07:31:25 < ohsix> can always use it on lunix/windows with an image file
2016-12-23T07:31:41 < ohsix> i did that whille i was modifying it for a thing
2016-12-23T07:32:02 < ohsix> (text description for file volumes)
2016-12-23T07:32:37 < ohsix> app was mapping foo -> 0: bar -> 1:, just modified it so you could specify the names in the path
2016-12-23T07:33:04 < ohsix> sent patch but i don't think elm did anything with it
2016-12-23T07:37:30 < ohsix> Nemuisan's Blog↗ (Well written implementations for STM32F/SPI & SDIO and LPC4088/SDMMC)
2016-12-23T07:37:44 < ohsix> that sounds like something you'd find useful
2016-12-23T07:44:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> LeelooMinai, all good here
2016-12-23T07:44:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> I only have a socket htat uses SPI
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2016-12-23T08:08:26 < ohsix>  Jeffrey R. Ford turned a 9 mm firearm on himself after he shot and wounded his son, Jeffrey Thunder Ford, and killed his son’s girlfriend, Brandi Schopper. 
2016-12-23T08:08:28 < ohsix> loool
2016-12-23T08:08:35 < ohsix> don't shoot thunder!
2016-12-23T08:08:46 < ohsix> http://www.bendbulletin.com/home/4926313-151/la-pine-shooting-ruled-murder-suicide
2016-12-23T08:10:44 < ohsix> i bet trump came up, then he had to die
2016-12-23T08:15:35 < upgrdman> legit TIL. kinda neat to know, even though i'll prolly never need it  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9314534/why-does-changing-0-1f-to-0-slow-down-performance-by-10x
2016-12-23T08:20:56 < ohsix> o rly
2016-12-23T08:21:11 < ohsix> i can't remember where i heard about denormals
2016-12-23T08:21:14 < dongs> well, he certainly looped that loop over 900000 times.
2016-12-23T08:21:17 < ohsix> probably ray tracer junk
2016-12-23T08:22:32 < ohsix> maybe the intel systems programming volume
2016-12-23T08:22:41 < ohsix> they used to send real books, so i have a set
2016-12-23T08:23:21 < ohsix> it is worse when you're using a value that oscillates as some value around zero
2016-12-23T08:23:38 < ohsix> sometimes they'll be denormal and sometimes not lul
2016-12-23T08:25:17 < ohsix> floating point is just weird, and people just use them like they were reals, then get surprised
2016-12-23T08:28:35 < ohsix> though, i never looked much into it either, which i'm doing now, so thanks for mentioning it
2016-12-23T08:29:41 < ohsix> i remember 1/z in the z buffer and the 'steps' being different sizes was weird, so i was dum then, ololol
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2016-12-23T10:05:23 < ohsix> upgrdman: getting some dirt gel? we can have an efficacy battle
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2016-12-23T11:08:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, wuts dirt gel?
2016-12-23T11:09:04 < ohsix> upgrdman: the keyboard cleaning stuff
2016-12-23T11:09:14 < upgrdman> o
2016-12-23T11:09:16 < upgrdman> nah
2016-12-23T11:09:28 < upgrdman> i think i'll just expense report some feather dusters at work
2016-12-23T11:09:44 < ohsix> it's like a dollar :D
2016-12-23T11:09:47 < upgrdman> dont need any high tech jizz gel to pick up dust
2016-12-23T11:10:29 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTO-ACCESSORIES-Car-Practical-Super-Adsorption-Cleaning-gap-Dust-Dirt-Gel-Glue-/191989331132?hash=item2cb374b4bc:g:mk8AAOSwwbdWHNOq&vxp=mtr
2016-12-23T11:10:47 < ohsix> it oozes real slowly, so you could let it get under the keys then pull it off
2016-12-23T11:17:24 < upgrdman> ohsix, heh, chinese text in those photos. i bet the yellow gel has fucking cadmium in it or someshit.
2016-12-23T11:17:38 < upgrdman> and the white one prolly has lead it in
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2016-12-23T12:11:32 < bartekww> hey
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2016-12-23T12:11:52 < bartekww> i have got a problem with stm32f103 + enc28j60 on freertos
2016-12-23T12:12:00 < bartekww> it isn't working :|
2016-12-23T12:12:40 < bartekww> have you got any idea?
2016-12-23T12:12:57 < bartekww> enc is probably working because i see things on logic analyzer
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2016-12-23T12:13:05 < stvn> the dog and his equations
2016-12-23T12:18:09 < bartekww> ?
2016-12-23T12:20:05 < stvn> is that the device with 100,000 pages of silicon errata
2016-12-23T12:25:04 < Fleck> ;p
2016-12-23T12:26:47 < bartekww> yup
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2016-12-23T13:28:48 < ReadErr> google: asking smart questions
2016-12-23T13:32:48 < bartekww> ?
2016-12-23T13:42:43 < bartekww> why this s***ty uIP isn't working :|
2016-12-23T13:43:28 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38404711 top trollin
2016-12-23T13:46:08 < bartekww> xD
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2016-12-23T14:17:53 < Thorn> so you can move and scale the chip in the pinout view in cube but not rotate
2016-12-23T14:17:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ilYaLry.png found karlp's gas station
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2016-12-23T14:52:41 < Lambda-Aurigae> dongs, looks like the water content in the petrol is a bit high there.
2016-12-23T15:01:35  * aandrew just discovered nssm (non-sucking service manager) and is using it with bitvise
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2016-12-23T15:35:10 < PaulFertser> dongs: Д/Т means deisel fuel so obv. russia.
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2016-12-23T15:36:45 < gjm> cyka blyat
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2016-12-23T15:37:17 < Lambda-Aurigae> I never learned russian.
2016-12-23T15:38:01 < Steffanx> I did. Da, na tochku! Spravo. (Or something) :P
2016-12-23T15:39:20 < zyp> cyka blyat
2016-12-23T15:40:03 < Steffanx> Hah. 
2016-12-23T15:40:12 < zyp> oh, didn't see gjm already wrote that
2016-12-23T15:42:09 <@englishman> baka gaijin
2016-12-23T15:42:18 <@englishman> no wait
2016-12-23T15:46:14 < Steffanx> Im waiting..
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2016-12-23T15:56:26 < Kliment> englishman: is that "stupid foreigner" in japanese?
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2016-12-23T16:36:56 < dongs> so im reinventing teh wheel cuz i dont wanna use uguuFx, and I need to do a global offset for all the drawing ops. do I add shit like drawcrap(offx + 100, offy + 50) everwhere in code, or modify all drawing functions to do a transform on the arguments?
2016-12-23T16:41:12 < ColdKeyboard> Do you guys use any tools for code analasys? Like SourceInsight or Understand or something?
2016-12-23T16:41:54 < aandrew> I don't no
2016-12-23T16:42:12 < dongs> i think my cubemx using pal pirated codeinsight
2016-12-23T16:42:14 < dongs> few months ago
2016-12-23T16:43:28 < ColdKeyboard> These kind of things can be usefull sometimes -> http://i.imgur.com/8yEsp8l.png
2016-12-23T16:43:51 < dongs> looks like GNU DIA
2016-12-23T16:43:59 < aandrew> sure, what's that from
2016-12-23T16:44:06 < dongs> looks like fatfs
2016-12-23T16:44:22 < ColdKeyboard> It's from Understand and I'm analyzing fatfs project created by Cube
2016-12-23T16:44:35 < ColdKeyboard> It helps a lot, especially if you are dummy like I am :)
2016-12-23T16:46:15 < ColdKeyboard> I'm trying to link low-level drivers with fatfs. Everything seems to be there but it's not configured/linked together. And by linked I mean functions not calling each other
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2016-12-23T16:53:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/CPlusPlus-Programming/Your-aim-develop-some-software/ lol fucking homework
2016-12-23T16:53:33 <@englishman> all the diff routing hotkeys changed in altidumb
2016-12-23T16:53:39 < dongs> yeah :(
2016-12-23T16:53:43 < dongs> also multirouting stuff
2016-12-23T16:53:49 < dongs> they moved it all under route menu
2016-12-23T16:53:51 < dongs> isntead of place
2016-12-23T16:53:57 < dongs> like pm is now um? or something
2016-12-23T16:54:02 < dongs> i guess diff shit same
2016-12-23T16:54:06 <@englishman> but pt still places a trace
2016-12-23T16:54:18 < dongs> well, place != multi "routing"
2016-12-23T16:54:26 < dongs> so i guess they're excused
2016-12-23T16:54:27 <@englishman> ut is trace 'routing'
2016-12-23T16:54:32 <@englishman> yeah but not multi, just regular
2016-12-23T16:54:34 < dongs> oh does it have that too?
2016-12-23T16:55:48 < dongs> Please remember that this should be an individual project. If you copy code from other
2016-12-23T16:55:52 < dongs> students or the internet you will fail, and you may be reported for plagiarism.
2016-12-23T16:56:02 <@englishman> lol
2016-12-23T16:56:06 < dongs> should I take that guys proj then get his course/edu email
2016-12-23T16:56:08 < dongs> and report him
2016-12-23T16:56:23 < dongs> it is some brit
2016-12-23T16:56:25 <@englishman> better yet
2016-12-23T16:56:27 < dongs> probably laurenceb
2016-12-23T16:56:27 <@englishman> take the project
2016-12-23T16:56:32 <@englishman> then charge him 3x not to tell
2016-12-23T16:56:36 < dongs> haha
2016-12-23T16:56:43 <@englishman> Hire Freelancers Who Also Bid On This Project
2016-12-23T16:56:47 <@englishman> its always the same 5 pakis
2016-12-23T16:56:50 <@englishman> on every project you link
2016-12-23T16:57:06 < dongs> which ones?  ithink they all just automatically bid
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2016-12-23T16:57:34 < dongs> there's like 3-4 pakis that bid on every project
2016-12-23T16:57:36 < dongs> regardless of wat it is
2016-12-23T16:57:36 < ReadErr> https://slickdeals.net/f/9549588-3dr-solo-drone-black-w-battery-gimbal-extra-props-299-99-with-free-store-pickup
2016-12-23T16:57:44 < ReadErr> blowout
2016-12-23T16:57:58 < ReadErr> things where super expensive originally
2016-12-23T16:59:32 <@englishman> still too much money at $300
2016-12-23T16:59:43 < dongs> what opensores shit did they steal for that one?
2016-12-23T16:59:48 < dongs> isnt that tardupilot on pixhawk?
2016-12-23T16:59:53 < ReadErr> its uhh
2016-12-23T16:59:58 < ReadErr> complicated
2016-12-23T17:00:02 <@englishman> it has some lunix on it
2016-12-23T17:00:06 < dongs> awful
2016-12-23T17:00:06 < ReadErr> its like a mixed source child
2016-12-23T17:00:18 < dongs> someone would probly have to pay me $300 to take that thing.
2016-12-23T17:00:22 < ReadErr> unsure what features came from where
2016-12-23T17:00:31 <@englishman> even 3dr is unsure
2016-12-23T17:00:33 < dongs> its liek garbage disposal in japan, you have to pay to get trash picked up
2016-12-23T17:00:44 < ReadErr> http://www.woot.com/offers/dji-phantom-4-quadcopter-4?ref=w_cnt_gw_dly_img
2016-12-23T17:00:48 <@englishman> well thats what theyve done here
2016-12-23T17:00:55 <@englishman> simply left it in bestbuy's garbage
2016-12-23T17:00:55 < ReadErr> phantom4 799
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2016-12-23T17:01:20 < dongs> looks as dumb as ever
2016-12-23T17:10:09 < ReadErr> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f32cl3BwFs&feature=youtu.be
2016-12-23T17:10:13 < ReadErr> wtf is that jap saying
2016-12-23T17:10:26 < ReadErr> (inspire2 funny crash)
2016-12-23T17:10:33 < dongs> thats not jap
2016-12-23T17:10:37 < dongs> sounds chink or someshit
2016-12-23T17:10:46 < dongs> or thai or some otehr weird trash
2016-12-23T17:10:46 < dongs> not jap
2016-12-23T17:11:43 < ReadErr> o
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2016-12-23T18:23:27 <@englishman> i got you a christmas present dongs http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MLXF2LL/A/designed-by-apple-in-california-102-x-128-inches
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2016-12-23T18:38:41 < Rob235> haha
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2016-12-23T19:20:41 < qyx> make: *** No rule to make target '/opt/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4.9/arm-none-eabi/include/stdlib.h'
2016-12-23T19:20:44 < qyx> wat
2016-12-23T19:21:11 < qyx> the same was working few days ago, now the compilation fails
2016-12-23T19:22:20 < Kliment> qyx: run a clean
2016-12-23T19:22:33 < qyx> I did
2016-12-23T19:22:59 < Kliment> have you checked that stdlib.h is present in that path?
2016-12-23T19:23:49 < qyx> wat, wait
2016-12-23T19:23:54 < qyx> me dumb
2016-12-23T19:30:16 < qyx> there is indeed a path issue, it tries to find it in /opt/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4.9, but the directory is actually /opt/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_9
2016-12-23T19:30:41 < qyx> I don't know where did it come from yet
2016-12-23T19:32:01 < Thorn> fuck HAL with a plunger. it enables systick but does not provide a handler for it. "happy debugging user lololo"
2016-12-23T19:33:55 < qyx> Kliment: there were some .d files which make clean wasn't able to clean
2016-12-23T19:33:56 < qyx> with wrong path
2016-12-23T19:36:55 <@englishman> Thorn: wat
2016-12-23T19:38:43 < Kliment> Thorn: It does for me
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2016-12-23T19:50:17 <@englishman> http://i.imgur.com/MCQ1WFZ.png
2016-12-23T19:50:21 <@englishman> almost there
2016-12-23T19:50:39 <@englishman> gotta assemble one more board
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2016-12-23T20:03:59 < Steffanx> How many videos card do you have mr englishman?
2016-12-23T20:04:04 < Rob235> 52
2016-12-23T20:04:05 < Steffanx> Cards*
2016-12-23T20:04:06 <@englishman> 2
2016-12-23T20:04:19 <@englishman> some nvidia gaymer card + nvs510
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2016-12-23T20:29:59 < HEKKINDOG> hi
2016-12-23T20:31:14 < HEKKINDOG> can anyone help me with details about analog comparator on stm32f051k6 (and k8 obviously)
2016-12-23T20:31:44 < HEKKINDOG> i cannot determine which(or if all) pins can be hooked to the analog comparator to trigger an interrupt
2016-12-23T20:32:21 < HEKKINDOG> i only know the avr atmega8 very well. and that was easy... AIN0 and AIN1... and you can mux AIN1 to PA1-7
2016-12-23T20:33:49 < Fleck>  datasheet HEKKINDOG...
2016-12-23T20:33:49 < HEKKINDOG> so i had a reference voltage on AIN0 and could mux the interrupt between comparing AIN0 to ADC0 to ADC7
2016-12-23T20:34:45 < Fleck> there is a table with pin descriptions/port number etc
2016-12-23T20:34:56 < Fleck> and - Alternative Functions
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2016-12-23T20:41:59 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CqFnUwCgsQ
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2016-12-23T21:21:32 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone have a clue where I can read about implementing this Diskio_drvTypeDef  USER_Driver for FatFS in combo with CubeMX and SPI? 
2016-12-23T21:22:01 < ColdKeyboard> Seems like I'm missing low-level drivers for FatFS the way CubeMX wan't me to.
2016-12-23T21:27:29 < Rob235> heh, I started implementing fatfs into my drone project to add a data logger but after getting to where you are decided to work on something else :P
2016-12-23T21:27:48 < Rob235> I'm not using cube though so not sure how it works
2016-12-23T21:33:26 < ColdKeyboard> I need it for data logger too but the problem is I can't find docs on how to use it tho...
2016-12-23T21:33:57 < ColdKeyboard> It's like yea CubeMX has FatFS support, we just include FatFS, configure it, we configure SPI, now you have to guess how to link them...
2016-12-23T21:34:27 < ColdKeyboard> Which shouldn't be a problem for someone who has done it before, but for me... I can't even find a docs from STM saying "CubeMX and FatFS for noobs"
2016-12-23T22:21:21 < chathphone> http://imgur.com/a/sRXOv
2016-12-23T22:28:49 < Lambda-Aurigae> my stm32 boards and stlink showed up today.
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2016-12-23T22:36:09 < Lambda-Aurigae> aaand, the stlink recognizes.
2016-12-23T22:42:24 < Steffanx> surprise.
2016-12-23T22:45:11 < Lambda-Aurigae> well, it was cheap.
2016-12-23T22:45:19 < Lambda-Aurigae> got it on amazon.
2016-12-23T22:45:33 < Lambda-Aurigae> along with a couple of stm32 bluepill clones.
2016-12-23T22:45:40 < Lambda-Aurigae> haven't done anything with them yet.
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2016-12-23T22:57:27 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone have an example of CubeMX and FatFS working together?
2016-12-23T23:08:18 < upgrdman> good job india   http://i.imgur.com/UDhgytU.gifv
2016-12-23T23:13:46 < jadew> lol
2016-12-23T23:14:48 < ColdKeyboard> Help? Please? Pretty please? :)
2016-12-23T23:15:08 < Lambda-Aurigae> sorry ColdKeyboard...I have never touched cubemx,,nor heard of it.
2016-12-23T23:15:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> only ever got fatfs working on an atmega1284p
2016-12-23T23:16:34 < ColdKeyboard> I mean CubeMX generates code using HAL and then includes FatFS. They expect me to link them somehow but there are no examples or docs on how to do it...
2016-12-23T23:16:55 < Lambda-Aurigae> yeah,,,no clue.
2016-12-23T23:17:01 < Spirit532> ColdKeyboard, don't use CubeMX for anything other than clock configuration
2016-12-23T23:17:10 < Spirit532> it's a terrible pain and generates soup
2016-12-23T23:17:18 < Lambda-Aurigae> only just got my stm32 chips today.
2016-12-23T23:17:21 < Spirit532> use the old standard peripheral libraries
2016-12-23T23:17:38 < Spirit532> they're not supported, but there is much more documentation for them and they're really easy to use
2016-12-23T23:18:18 < Spirit532> that, and Tilen Majerle(just google) has written a ton of interconnecting libraries that are easier to use than HAL
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2016-12-24T00:09:11 < TheSeven> hm, I'm pondering to have a play with CAN
2016-12-24T00:09:22 < TheSeven> which transceiver chip would you recommend?
2016-12-24T00:10:11 < TheSeven> IIUC for a quick test setup I could use none at all and just connect CAN_TX and CAN_RX together on all nodes and configure CAN_TX as open drain + pull-up?
2016-12-24T00:10:35 < jadew> I think a lot of STM32 chips can do CAN
2016-12-24T00:10:37 < jadew> it works at 5V
2016-12-24T00:10:57 < jadew> (but I think it can do 3V too)
2016-12-24T00:10:59 < TheSeven> IIUC none of them has the physical layer transceiver built in, just MAC and upwards, just like for ethernet
2016-12-24T00:12:31 < jadew> it's just a serial connection
2016-12-24T00:12:41 < jadew> I don't think it needs much else
2016-12-24T00:13:17 < TheSeven> well, you have TX and RX pins there, not CANH and CANL as usual on a CAN bus, so I guess it doesn't have a PHY
2016-12-24T00:17:10 < Steffanx> does it really matter what transceiver? Some SN65HVD230 or mcp25xx[whatever] should do the job..
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2016-12-24T00:17:41 < Rob235> 8 minute compile time
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2016-12-24T00:19:06 < Rob235> whats up guys
2016-12-24T00:19:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> not much here.
2016-12-24T00:19:42 < Lambda-Aurigae> just put 4 pounds of meat in the fridge to cure for jerky.
2016-12-24T00:19:49 < Rob235> nice
2016-12-24T00:20:09 < Rob235> I'm pretending like I know how to use an FPGA
2016-12-24T00:20:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> will cure for 48 hours then toss it in the dehydrator.
2016-12-24T00:20:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> FPGA is my next learning project.
2016-12-24T00:20:29 < Lambda-Aurigae> just got my first stm32 boards today.
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2016-12-24T00:20:35 < Rob235> nice, which one
2016-12-24T00:20:36 < Lambda-Aurigae> haven't had time to get to the dungeon to work with them.
2016-12-24T00:20:43 < Lambda-Aurigae> bluepill boards.
2016-12-24T00:21:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> stm32f103c8
2016-12-24T00:21:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> supposedly 64K flash but some chips shipped with 128K from what I'm reading.
2016-12-24T00:21:53 < Rob235> havent seen that board, I've only used the stm32f407 discovery board
2016-12-24T00:22:10 < Steffanx> Yes you have seen that board Rob235.. 
2016-12-24T00:22:14 < Rob235> ?
2016-12-24T00:22:22 < Lambda-Aurigae> http://wiki.stm32duino.com/index.php?title=Blue_Pill
2016-12-24T00:22:34 < Lambda-Aurigae> lots of chinese clones out there.
2016-12-24T00:23:01 < Steffanx> i cannot imagine you have not seen this http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gLAAAOSw4GVYF5qy/s-l1600.jpg Rob235
2016-12-24T00:23:04 < Steffanx> on ebay.
2016-12-24T00:23:11 < Steffanx> (or in here)
2016-12-24T00:23:13 < Rob235> is blue pill an actual name or is it a description of these little blue clone boards
2016-12-24T00:23:36 < Lambda-Aurigae> seems to be the code name for that board.
2016-12-24T00:23:50 < Rob235> I mean Ive seen boards like it but never heard the term blue pill
2016-12-24T00:24:10 < Lambda-Aurigae> it's the name of the stm32duino board I guess....
2016-12-24T00:24:29 < Steffanx> Probably because .. *duino name.. ##stm32 <> tarduino. Rob235 :P
2016-12-24T00:24:34 < Lambda-Aurigae> yeah.
2016-12-24T00:24:41 < Lambda-Aurigae> I avoid ardweeny stuff like the plague.
2016-12-24T00:24:57 < Lambda-Aurigae> these boards came unprogrammed...no infection.
2016-12-24T00:26:41 < Lambda-Aurigae> I'm kinda moving laterally from pic32mx270f256b chips too....the pic32 has more flash and ram but runs a bit slower.
2016-12-24T00:31:00 < Steffanx> Be aware.. mention arduino/pic32 again and you will certainly trigger some people here :P
2016-12-24T00:31:09 < Lambda-Aurigae> hehe
2016-12-24T00:31:21 < Lambda-Aurigae> as I said, I avoid ardweeny and moving away from pic32.
2016-12-24T00:32:00 < upgrdman> ohsix, well i ordered some of that jizz gel stuff. we'll see how well it works.
2016-12-24T00:32:29 < Lambda-Aurigae> overall to this point I've preferred real AVR due to its ease of use.  Time to try ARM.
2016-12-24T00:34:08 < Steffanx> Farewell upgrdman.
2016-12-24T00:34:59 < Steffanx> Or will you make obama care useful for yourself? :P
2016-12-24T00:37:12 < upgrdman> Steffanx, lolwut?
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2016-12-24T00:37:49 < Steffanx> lead poisoning or whatever weird materials they used in there 
2016-12-24T00:37:55 < upgrdman> oh ya
2016-12-24T00:38:15 < upgrdman> good thing i have real health insurance instead of the obamacare shit for poor people
2016-12-24T00:39:29 < jadew> you know what's better than that? not having to pay 2k when you visit the dentist
2016-12-24T00:40:09 < Steffanx> lol, where is a dentist THAT expensive?
2016-12-24T00:40:26 < jadew> heard someone form CA saying they paid 2k for a root canal
2016-12-24T00:40:45 < Steffanx> Damn, that makes the pain 10 times as bad.
2016-12-24T00:41:04 < jadew> mainly because you wait it out as long as you can hehe
2016-12-24T00:41:40 < qyx> like 2 years, nah
2016-12-24T00:41:56 < qyx> but it was around ~200e then
2016-12-24T00:42:33 < jadew> think he was exagerating?
2016-12-24T00:42:42 < upgrdman> even better than 200e for a dentist visit? caring for your fucking teeth so they dont rot to shit ;)
2016-12-24T00:43:37 < qyx> yep, thats preferred
2016-12-24T00:45:49 < Lambda-Aurigae> I get mine cleaned once every 5 years whether they need it or not.
2016-12-24T00:45:58 < Lambda-Aurigae> never had a cavity.
2016-12-24T00:46:17 < Lambda-Aurigae> only other dental work I've had done is removing 4 wisdom teeth.
2016-12-24T00:47:03 < Lambda-Aurigae> thankfully the military did that back in 1998.
2016-12-24T00:47:11 < Lambda-Aurigae> err
2016-12-24T00:47:13 < Lambda-Aurigae> 1988..
2016-12-24T00:47:15 < Lambda-Aurigae> sheesh..
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2016-12-24T01:12:54 < Laurenceb_> sup
2016-12-24T01:13:17 < Laurenceb_> I'm back, bitches
2016-12-24T01:19:57 < Laurenceb_> me arriving back in the channel https://i.sli.mg/UZUzOb.png
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2016-12-24T01:22:19 < Steffanx> me closing the gap back up.
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2016-12-24T01:23:01 < Steffanx> I mean: he Laurenceb_ where have you been?
2016-12-24T01:23:04 < Steffanx> *hi
2016-12-24T01:23:14 < Laurenceb_> I've been b&
2016-12-24T01:23:50 < Steffanx> stop drinking.
2016-12-24T01:25:55 <@englishman> wb laurents
2016-12-24T01:31:37 < Rob235> how long were you b& for?
2016-12-24T01:31:46 < Rob235> and I would ask why but I'm pretty sure I know
2016-12-24T01:31:51 < Rob235> :0
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2016-12-24T01:52:31 < ColdKeyboard> Spirit532: I just want to make CubeMX's HAL code and FatFS work together. I cannot find example how to make "glue" functions that glue FatFS to low-level SPI1 drivers :(
2016-12-24T02:00:05 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone, please have a clue how to glue Cube MX generated HAL code with included FatFS? I'm stuck with that part for days now... I really want to learn this thing but damn... 
2016-12-24T02:13:20 < Laurenceb_> muh house http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=533_1482345736&comments=1
2016-12-24T02:15:44 < TheSeven> ColdKeyboard: for SD cards or what kind of storage?
2016-12-24T02:15:55 < ColdKeyboard> TheSeven: SD cards
2016-12-24T02:16:09 < TheSeven> sounds like what you're missing is basically the complete SD card driver then
2016-12-24T02:18:01 < TheSeven> no idea about that cube HAL stuff, but I'm using this: https://github.com/TheSeven/firmware/blob/master/src/device/sdhc_spi/sdhc_spi.cpp
2016-12-24T02:18:41 < TheSeven> which abstracts an SD card as a generic block storage device on top of an SPI bus, and is then used (through some more glue) as a backend for fatfs
2016-12-24T02:19:40 < ColdKeyboard> Is this for Arudino or just your C++ code?
2016-12-24T02:19:51 < Laurenceb_> I spot nasty wait loops
2016-12-24T02:19:54 < Laurenceb_> arduino style
2016-12-24T02:24:02 < ColdKeyboard> So I see tha Cube has generated this part http://pastebin.com/aCdkPDFL
2016-12-24T02:25:24 < ColdKeyboard> But I have no idea what it's supposed to do and what I have to do to make it work...
2016-12-24T02:26:58 < TheSeven> Laurenceb_: non-RTOS if that's what you mean
2016-12-24T02:27:09 < TheSeven> i.e. baremetal code
2016-12-24T02:27:44 < Laurenceb_> I meant the nasty busy loops as opposed to something nicer like DMA with callbacks
2016-12-24T02:27:56 < TheSeven> Laurenceb_: have fun implementing that with SD over SPI
2016-12-24T02:28:11 < Laurenceb_> already done it
2016-12-24T02:28:39 < TheSeven> I've also done that (in another project) a couple of weeks ago, using some DMA + EXTI hacks
2016-12-24T02:28:49 < Laurenceb_> state machine that accepts data submissions and can be queried as to it's state
2016-12-24T02:29:10 < TheSeven> hah, no, if anything, I want it fully event-/callback driven ;)
2016-12-24T02:29:52 < TheSeven> anyway, asynchronous APIs don't align well with the interface of FATFS
2016-12-24T02:30:22 < TheSeven> what I did there was to actually do context switching while waiting for stuff to complete, but without a real RTOS, just abusing NVIC a bit
2016-12-24T02:30:26 < Laurenceb_> my code is for commercial project, so unfortunately its not on the nets
2016-12-24T02:30:35 < Laurenceb_> this is sort of a similarish idea https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c
2016-12-24T02:30:54 < Laurenceb_> you just use send_string_to_silabs(uint8_t* str)
2016-12-24T02:31:10 < Laurenceb_> or get_from_silabs_buffer(uint8_t* status)
2016-12-24T02:31:32 < Laurenceb_> and its all non blocking using two layered state machines
2016-12-24T02:32:29 < TheSeven> somewhat similar to what I do
2016-12-24T02:32:58 < TheSeven> just that I didn't implement it as a state machine, but actually as sequential code that is getting blocked (and context switched) while waiting
2016-12-24T02:33:11 < Laurenceb_> yeah RTOS makes it easy
2016-12-24T02:33:14 < TheSeven> no rtos
2016-12-24T02:33:17 < TheSeven> just nvic tricks ;)
2016-12-24T02:33:27 < Laurenceb_> sure, been there done that
2016-12-24T02:33:39 < Laurenceb_> nvic is pretty powerful
2016-12-24T02:33:46 < TheSeven> yeah I know, your code does part of that as well
2016-12-24T02:33:55 < TheSeven> the "rtos" that I have here is literally just a stack switcher
2016-12-24T02:34:14 < TheSeven> which, in the context of your driver, would be the exti0 irq handler
2016-12-24T02:34:36 < TheSeven> which can be called from within itself to yield control to lower priorities until something sets it pending again (usually a HW event)
2016-12-24T02:34:59 < TheSeven> looks like an RTOS thread from inside, and like an IRQ-based state machine from outside
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2016-12-24T02:36:02 < TheSeven> which means that you can use synchronous code like fatfs on top of it (from inside the "thread") and still take care of other stuff while it's waiting
2016-12-24T02:36:12 < Laurenceb_> neat
2016-12-24T02:36:15 < TheSeven> pretty powerful given how little code it is
2016-12-24T02:36:25 < TheSeven> like 30 lines or so
2016-12-24T02:37:40 < TheSeven> ColdKeyboard: to answer your question, this is just C++ code, not related to arduino - fairly similar in style though
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2016-12-24T02:38:18 < TheSeven> i.e. synchronous, non-rtos c++ code abstracting a little bit of the hardware below it
2016-12-24T02:40:31 < TheSeven> back to my question from earlier:
2016-12-24T02:40:31 < TheSeven> I'm pondering to have a play with CAN, which transceiver chip would you recommend?
2016-12-24T02:40:31 < TheSeven> IIUC for a quick test setup I could use none at all and just connect CAN_TX and CAN_RX together on all nodes and configure CAN_TX as open drain + pull-up?
2016-12-24T02:49:13 < Rob235> wtf is vxworks
2016-12-24T02:50:43 < TheSeven> some kind of commercial RTOS thing?
2016-12-24T02:51:09 < Rob235> yea, apparently
2016-12-24T02:52:46 < fenugrec> TheSeven CAN xceivers, MCP255* / MCP256*, TJA104*, TJA105*, lots of cheap options
2016-12-24T02:53:14 < fenugrec> yes, a wire-OR'd CAN bus should work as long as you get the polarity right
2016-12-24T02:54:01 < fenugrec> wasn''t it a vxworks that was on the mars Pathfinder probe
2016-12-24T02:55:06 < Rob235> curiosity rover or something
2016-12-24T02:55:29 < Rob235> maybe both?
2016-12-24T02:57:42 < TheSeven> fenugrec: IIUC CAN_TX is dominant low, i.e. just wiring all TX/RX pins together and setting TX to open drain and adding pull-up should work
2016-12-24T02:58:08 < TheSeven> sure, nowhere near as robust as can, but should work just fine for playing around a bit with the protocol on a breadboard I guess?
2016-12-24T02:58:33 < fenugrec> yea sounds right. No prob unless you're pushing it at 1Mb/s
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2016-12-24T03:01:05 < TheSeven> probably not even then, if I look at some experiments with i2c
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2016-12-24T03:22:17 < stvn> gooday fokes
2016-12-24T03:25:23  * stvn passes englishman a LRH
2016-12-24T03:28:56 < stvn> sup R2
2016-12-24T03:29:52 < stvn> good plan
2016-12-24T03:31:44 < Laurenceb_> hi R2COM
2016-12-24T03:31:48 < Laurenceb_> I sense butthurt
2016-12-24T03:32:57 < Laurenceb_> stvn would liek my house http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=533_1482345736&comments=1
2016-12-24T03:34:48 < stvn> where's crt?
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2016-12-24T03:36:23 < stvn> i gotta go pick up some goods
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2016-12-24T03:55:15 < ohsix> upgrdman: sweet
2016-12-24T03:55:25 < ohsix> (don't taste it tho)
2016-12-24T03:56:16 < ohsix> RLM posted an xmas best of the worst, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urd5vtoGmfI
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2016-12-24T04:06:13 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/OROUTBACK411/status/812463203540049920 chevy avalanche lul (she died)
2016-12-24T04:06:35 < ohsix> i'm so close to just saying people driving SUVs should die, because they create amazing risks for other drivers
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2016-12-24T04:21:49 < ohsix> lul charlie brooker is in sniper elite 3
2016-12-24T04:23:32 < ohsix> i missed an opportunity the other day that i will now rectify https://www.caganer.com/2263-pos_large/caganer-zelda.jpg
2016-12-24T05:11:04 < ReadErr> #LRH the l0de radio hour is live! www.twitch.tv/l0de call in live at 415-349-5666 tonight's episode: MERRY SHITPOSTMAS
2016-12-24T05:12:33 < chathphone> should i poll the comparator, or should i just compare the analog reads in software?
2016-12-24T05:12:33 < chathphone> 21:45 either way i'm polling
2016-12-24T05:12:33 < chathphone> 21:45 it would just be easier to set the comparator output to (no selection) and then just read the status bit whenever i need it
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2016-12-24T05:15:48 < stvn> he should have just dipped it in shit.
2016-12-24T05:18:31 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/xcaepvf.jpg
2016-12-24T05:24:50 < dongs> nice keil icon
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2016-12-24T05:35:11 <@englishman> lol
2016-12-24T05:35:34 <@englishman> where'd he get that I don't think I posted that one
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2016-12-24T05:40:48 < ReadErr> oh dear 
2016-12-24T05:40:54 < ReadErr> how did chath get here
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2016-12-24T05:54:03 < ohsix> englishman: obv hax
2016-12-24T05:54:12 < ohsix> the icon is perfectly placed to make the cat look a bit derp
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2016-12-24T06:59:59 < ColdKeyboard> Rob235: I've managed to get fatfs to write to SD card with HAL and SPI1. If you are still thinking about that data logger for drone I can share current project?
2016-12-24T07:01:55 < dongs> any of you fags in UK have Sky Q
2016-12-24T07:02:01 < dongs> (and use lunix)
2016-12-24T07:02:32 < dongs> probly wrong time to ask about uk shit since even Laurenceb is sleeping
2016-12-24T07:18:21 < stvn> warm beer maybe
2016-12-24T07:21:05 <@englishman> stvn nice desktop
2016-12-24T07:21:19 < stvn> haha
2016-12-24T07:25:15 < stvn> sup englishman 
2016-12-24T07:25:25 <@englishman> nm
2016-12-24T07:25:27 <@englishman> catting
2016-12-24T07:25:34 < stvn> hmm
2016-12-24T07:26:01 <@englishman> watched incendies
2016-12-24T07:26:13 <@englishman> wass pretty good
2016-12-24T07:27:10 < stvn> did l0de get arrested yet
2016-12-24T07:27:29 <@englishman> who
2016-12-24T07:29:00 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4TzaxziZ1I
2016-12-24T07:32:30 < ReadErr> englishman R2COM 
2016-12-24T07:32:40 < ReadErr> mother is gonna try to get that creepy canadian girl
2016-12-24T07:32:45 < ReadErr> that R2COM likes
2016-12-24T07:37:12 < stvn> cuntputer :Erroneous Nickname
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2016-12-24T07:49:43 < ColdKeyboard> Any clues why fatfs writes "NULL" at the end of string? and how to remove it? :)
2016-12-24T07:49:59 < ColdKeyboard> I know it's because string ends with \0 char
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2016-12-24T08:03:20 < ColdKeyboard> Btw here is how I implemented glue for HAL + FatFS -> https://gist.github.com/coldkeyboard/37eddf3f332108e728326c991d2081a8
2016-12-24T08:07:47 < upgrdman> with a histogram, if you make the x-axis's center fixed at some value, what is that called? tempted to call it "locked center"
2016-12-24T08:08:19 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: did youicopypaste all that shit owat
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2016-12-24T08:21:57 < ReadErr> http://evalion.org/
2016-12-24T08:22:09 < ReadErr> the racist robot
2016-12-24T08:30:12 < ReadErr> hey just passing along the word
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2016-12-24T08:38:15 < Rob235> ColdKeyboard: I'm not using HAL, thanks though
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2016-12-24T09:32:26 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj7DUuIiWF0
2016-12-24T09:33:18 < bartekww> hey
2016-12-24T09:33:28 < bartekww> is there any tutorial how to use uIP with stm32?
2016-12-24T09:34:48 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-O_JAODByo attn stvn
2016-12-24T09:35:11 < ohsix> bartekww: uip has some port files in their distribution don't they?
2016-12-24T09:35:30 < ohsix> there's not much the microcontroller has to do with it until you're using the uart or something to actually talk to the world
2016-12-24T09:35:35 < bartekww> yup
2016-12-24T09:35:53 < bartekww> but i tried uIP and it doesn't work
2016-12-24T09:42:59 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/AZE4K
2016-12-24T09:44:15 < PaulFertser> bartekww: I do not recommend uIP on anything but probably 8-bit controllers.
2016-12-24T09:44:37 < PaulFertser> bartekww: the reason is windows compatibility. With uIP you'll have huge latency with windows hosts.
2016-12-24T09:44:50 < PaulFertser> bartekww: just use lwIP, it's a nice modern stack.
2016-12-24T09:46:03 < bartekww> i also have tried
2016-12-24T09:46:11 < bartekww> but it's hard to get it working
2016-12-24T09:46:19 < PaulFertser> bartekww: uIP expects every TCP packet to be acked. Windows will always wait for at least the next packet to ACK both at once. Or for 200ms timeout. So you'll have one packet each 200ms, not more. With other OSes it's not like that because they use adaptive acks.
2016-12-24T09:46:34 < bartekww> on stm32 + enc28j60
2016-12-24T09:46:48 < PaulFertser> bartekww: lwIP is readable and sane, shouldn't be hard.
2016-12-24T09:46:48 < bartekww> PaulFertser: i only use UDP multicast/unicast
2016-12-24T09:47:03 < bartekww> could you help me with it?
2016-12-24T09:47:12 < bartekww> i really don't get it :P
2016-12-24T09:47:31 < PaulFertser> bartekww: for udp uip should be ok.
2016-12-24T09:47:53 < PaulFertser> bartekww: I can share our driver for stm32f1 MAC but you do not need that.
2016-12-24T09:48:57 < bartekww> i need enc28j60 driver
2016-12-24T09:49:12 < bartekww> i can't find ethernetif.c
2016-12-24T09:49:16 < bartekww> for enc
2016-12-24T09:49:57 < PaulFertser> bartekww: you do not need to find it. You should write it yourself based on datasheets.
2016-12-24T09:50:01 < bartekww> also i'm missing <arch/cc.h> includes
2016-12-24T09:50:32 < bartekww> include*
2016-12-24T09:50:44 < bartekww> lwip 2.0?
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2016-12-24T09:54:06 < qyx> I would not recommend writing another enc28j60 driver, the chip has too much things in errata
2016-12-24T09:55:14 < bartekww> i have got enc driver working
2016-12-24T09:55:15 < bartekww> but
2016-12-24T09:55:25 < bartekww> stack isn't :P
2016-12-24T09:56:26 < qyx> you can check chibios ethernet driver & lwip bindings for example
2016-12-24T09:56:28 < PaulFertser> qyx: but using random driver "found" on the internet is a lottery. When writing yourself based on datasheet + errata you're getting familiar with the code and capabilities...
2016-12-24T09:57:03 < ohsix> hax, lunix nerds; i needed to disable the unlink syscall so i could get some files from a dropper, strace -e fault is a fault injector, but you can set errno when you do it, so you can make unlink succeed but do nothing
2016-12-24T09:57:25 < kOStiX> i ported an atmel driver+stack to stm32f103, it was very basic but it had running a simple web server
2016-12-24T09:58:00 < ohsix> what's shakin' kOStiX 
2016-12-24T09:58:01 < qyx> PaulFertser: I spent several days working on it in the past and it was meh
2016-12-24T09:58:05 < bartekww> kOStiX: can i see it?
2016-12-24T09:58:13 < ohsix> you do audio/dsp stuff right? have you used faust before?
2016-12-24T09:58:57 < kOStiX> sure, how can i upload the source?
2016-12-24T09:59:07 < bartekww> hmmm
2016-12-24T09:59:09 < kOStiX> yeah im into audio electronics stuffs
2016-12-24T09:59:20 < bartekww> github?
2016-12-24T09:59:24 < bartekww> or just anything
2016-12-24T09:59:48 < PaulFertser> qyx: so you recmmond bartekww to borrow lwip+driver from chibios, it's sane enough there?
2016-12-24T10:00:46 < kOStiX> im trying to find the original source i used to adapt it
2016-12-24T10:03:15 < qyx> PaulFertser: seems so, I have used it much in the past
2016-12-24T10:04:03 < kOStiX> http://tuxgraphics.org/electronics/200611/article06111.shtml
2016-12-24T10:04:06 < kOStiX> i think this was it
2016-12-24T10:04:08 < kOStiX> based on atmega
2016-12-24T10:04:18 < PaulFertser> bartekww: ^^^ see what qyx says
2016-12-24T10:04:22 < qyx> PaulFertser: it works out of box for stm32 mac
2016-12-24T10:07:25 < bartekww> ah, kOStiX i had it working
2016-12-24T10:07:32 < bartekww> but ping was 20ms :P
2016-12-24T10:07:39 < ohsix> kOStiX: http://faust.grame.fr/ used/heard of/opinions/whatever
2016-12-24T10:07:56 < kOStiX> ah i see, i dont remember the ping times
2016-12-24T10:09:48 < kOStiX> i implemented it with freertos i remember, raring the whole project folder and gonna up it somewhere
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2016-12-24T10:12:18 < kOStiX> https://www.sendspace.com/file/t29dpe
2016-12-24T10:13:06 < kOStiX> just follow the main.c hehe
2016-12-24T10:13:33 < kOStiX> the project has some other stuff, some buttons and lcd interfaced, runs on stm32f103c8t6
2016-12-24T10:13:44 < kOStiX> dont recall details already
2016-12-24T10:13:49 < ohsix> need to get off my balls and do music stuff i want to do
2016-12-24T10:14:18 < kOStiX> sorry man, i havent used faust
2016-12-24T10:14:27 < kOStiX> im code mostly in C
2016-12-24T10:14:30 < kOStiX> i
2016-12-24T10:14:40 < ohsix> ya it generates code
2016-12-24T10:14:56 < ohsix> been lurkign on a channel my friend is in and everyone seems to use it, but not on micros
2016-12-24T10:15:32 < kOStiX> yeah i imagine.. micros are more happy with lower level coding
2016-12-24T10:15:45 < ohsix> mebbe
2016-12-24T10:15:54 < ohsix> have you seen the now-obsolete wavefront semiconductor parts
2016-12-24T10:16:06 < ohsix> they were clocked so you get n instructions per sample
2016-12-24T10:16:10 < kOStiX> like which ones?
2016-12-24T10:16:13 < ohsix> synchronous
2016-12-24T10:16:32 < ohsix> sec
2016-12-24T10:16:48 < ohsix> dsp-1k, al3101/2
2016-12-24T10:16:52 < ohsix> http://www.wavefrontsemi.com/index.php?products
2016-12-24T10:17:04 < ohsix> it's a neat idea
2016-12-24T10:17:25 < ohsix> xmos stuff kind of offers a similar programming environment, and i imagine faust sort of does too
2016-12-24T10:18:02 < kOStiX> i see, i guess i've seen the part names, never worked with them tho
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2016-12-24T10:18:21 < kOStiX> maybe they are something like specialized fpgas
2016-12-24T10:18:52 < ohsix> they were pretty specialized, you can still get them and i think someone reverse engineered the instruction set; they were used in a few instruments
2016-12-24T10:19:00 < ohsix> though i don't remember one offhand
2016-12-24T10:19:47 < ohsix> well poop, k; if i ever use faust i'll let you know ;]
2016-12-24T10:20:39 < kOStiX> shame they no longer in production for comercial use
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2016-12-24T10:39:46 < bartekww> omg
2016-12-24T10:39:49 < bartekww> this lwip
2016-12-24T10:39:51 < bartekww> is
2016-12-24T10:39:54 < bartekww> shit :|
2016-12-24T10:40:16 < bartekww> i got driver for my enc
2016-12-24T10:40:22 < bartekww> ERRORS! :|
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2016-12-24T10:47:15 < PaulFertser> bartekww: shit is up your arse
2016-12-24T10:56:14 < kOStiX> bartekww: you see the file i posted?
2016-12-24T10:57:11 < bartekww> yup
2016-12-24T10:57:33 < kOStiX> i think its based on the former lwip, called "uip"
2016-12-24T10:58:04 < bartekww> PaulFertser: error: invalid use of undefined type 'struct ip_addr'
2016-12-24T10:58:29 < PaulFertser> bartekww: are you a programmer or not? Just dig the code a bit and fix an obvious syntax error.
2016-12-24T10:58:38 < bartekww> not
2016-12-24T10:58:53 < bartekww> i don't see any error
2016-12-24T10:59:46 < ReadErr> bartekww: you never try to do shit
2016-12-24T10:59:53 < bartekww> ?
2016-12-24T10:59:55 < ReadErr> you just come here and give sketchy details about stuff not working
2016-12-24T11:00:39 < bartekww> so what you want to know?
2016-12-24T11:00:55 < ReadErr> people shouldnt have to fish info out of you to help you
2016-12-24T11:01:05 < ReadErr> remember yesterday, I said google "asking smart questions"
2016-12-24T11:01:28 < ReadErr> "I am trying to do *, I have done *, I expect * but am getting *"
2016-12-24T11:01:38 < bartekww> IP4_ADDR(&ipaddr, 192, 168, 254, 56);
2016-12-24T11:01:53 < bartekww> error: invalid use of undefined type 'struct ip_addr'
2016-12-24T11:02:03 < bartekww> static struct ip_addr ipaddr, netmask, gw;
2016-12-24T11:02:24 < PaulFertser> If you do not know C, why are you trying to code in it?
2016-12-24T11:02:26 < bartekww> im missing a header probably
2016-12-24T11:02:31 < bartekww> but i don't know which
2016-12-24T11:02:47 < PaulFertser> grep is your friend
2016-12-24T11:04:32 < bartekww> not found  :|
2016-12-24T11:04:40 < bartekww> ~/Desktop/stm32_rtos_enc/Drivers/libenc28j60/lwip  
2016-12-24T11:04:41 < bartekww> ❯ grep -Ril "struct ip_addr" .   
2016-12-24T11:04:46 < bartekww> nothing
2016-12-24T11:10:00 < bartekww> omg, i can't get working uip and lwip
2016-12-24T11:11:44 < PaulFertser> Should have sticked to arduino
2016-12-24T11:13:09 < bartekww> i'll try uip again
2016-12-24T11:13:14 < bartekww> i only need udp
2016-12-24T11:26:03 < dongs> ~/desktop???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
2016-12-24T11:26:09 < dongs> Drivers???
2016-12-24T11:26:16 < dongs> what teh shit
2016-12-24T11:26:22 < dongs> what kinda FAGGOT has mixedcase folder names
2016-12-24T11:29:04 < PaulFertser> I guess Desktop is the standard name in Gnome and KDE these days... Copying after microsoft.
2016-12-24T11:30:49 < dongs> awful
2016-12-24T11:30:56 < dongs> nobody pro keeps shit on desktop on any OS anyway
2016-12-24T11:37:28 < ohsix> don't have to be following windows to have a folder with junk in it
2016-12-24T11:54:08 < Fleck> ghh
2016-12-24T11:55:15 < Kliment> dongs: Stop shitting on people
2016-12-24T11:55:43 < Fleck> Kliment: that won't work :D
2016-12-24T11:56:46 < dongs> Kliment: fleck has me on ignore
2016-12-24T11:56:52 < dongs> just fyi
2016-12-24T11:57:13 < Kliment> bartekww: https://doxygen.reactos.org/d8/d88/ipv4_2lwip_2ip__addr_8h_source.html
2016-12-24T11:57:30 < Kliment> bartekww: lwip/ip_addr.h
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2016-12-24T12:04:48 < Fleck> wb stvn
2016-12-24T12:05:58 < stvn> thanks
2016-12-24T12:26:37 < Fleck> ok, got sound out of F7 :D but, seems that buffer isn't increasing and one frame (?) is playing all the time :D
2016-12-24T12:26:57 < Fleck> I think I am doing it wrong...
2016-12-24T12:27:08 < kOStiX> maybe u need to enable cache
2016-12-24T12:27:15 < kOStiX> or the fifo
2016-12-24T12:27:55 < Fleck> I have audio data on QSPI flash that is mapped on memory 0x90000000 to 0x90EB0000
2016-12-24T12:28:57 < Fleck> I guess I need to set up callback to change address for next data or smthn
2016-12-24T12:29:16 < kOStiX> i see
2016-12-24T12:29:21 < kOStiX> you are not using dma?
2016-12-24T12:29:24 < Fleck> I am
2016-12-24T12:29:37 < kOStiX> and the mem inc is enabled?
2016-12-24T12:29:46 < Fleck> sec
2016-12-24T12:30:01 < Fleck>     hdma_sai_tx.Init.MemInc              = DMA_MINC_ENABLE;
2016-12-24T12:33:44 < kOStiX> maybe its something with the configuration of the interface where the flash is connected and mapped to the mem
2016-12-24T12:33:58 < kOStiX> the fmc?
2016-12-24T12:34:11 < Fleck> no QSPI
2016-12-24T12:37:57 < Fleck> and I hear a part of PCM data, just repeating all over again :D
2016-12-24T12:43:35 < bartekww> i know why my uIP isn't working
2016-12-24T12:43:46 < bartekww> because i'm getting HardFault
2016-12-24T12:43:52 < bartekww> but i don't know why
2016-12-24T12:44:59 < bartekww> how i can find that?
2016-12-24T12:45:33 < kOStiX> you could set some breakpoints in the code until it doesnt break at some point
2016-12-24T12:47:12 < Fleck> backtracke bartekww
2016-12-24T12:47:41 < kOStiX> ok im out
2016-12-24T12:48:02 < kOStiX> good night/evening/morning to all
2016-12-24T12:48:07 < bartekww> :P
2016-12-24T12:48:08 < bartekww> bye
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2016-12-24T12:48:45 < bartekww> i type n
2016-12-24T12:48:46 < bartekww> next
2016-12-24T12:48:53 < bartekww> but i can't stop it with ctrl c
2016-12-24T12:48:56 < bartekww> how to stop it?
2016-12-24T12:49:18 < Fleck> ctrl + c
2016-12-24T12:49:19 < Fleck> :D
2016-12-24T12:49:21 < bartekww> not working
2016-12-24T12:49:25 < bartekww> that's the problem :P
2016-12-24T12:49:29 < Fleck> then fix it! :p
2016-12-24T12:53:57 < bartekww> http://pastebin.com/1b6ceHKq
2016-12-24T12:55:05 < bartekww> what's the problem
2016-12-24T12:55:06 < bartekww> ?
2016-12-24T12:57:02 < Fleck> check registers to see, what kind of fault you are in
2016-12-24T12:58:23 < bartekww> changed timebase source in cubemx
2016-12-24T12:58:29 < bartekww> now it's working probably
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2016-12-24T12:59:50 < bartekww> okay, i know
2016-12-24T13:00:01 < bartekww> i'm only getting \000 in uip buffer
2016-12-24T13:00:07 < Fleck> try adding to .gdbinit bartekww: maintenance set target-async off
2016-12-24T13:00:14 < Fleck> and ctrl+c then...
2016-12-24T13:03:55 < bartekww> ok, now it's working
2016-12-24T13:04:05 < bartekww> but i'm not receiving anything from enc
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2016-12-24T13:27:29 < Steffanx> <Laurenceb_> I spot nasty wait loops => si446x_busy_wait_send_receive  .. lol you Laurenceb
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2016-12-24T14:04:14 < qyx> uf globals in that Laurenceb's code
2016-12-24T14:04:50 < dongs> what are you talkin about
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2016-12-24T14:05:36 < qyx> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c
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2016-12-24T14:06:46 < Thorn> I keep getting coupons from seeed, I think 4 in total for about $100. all I did is order PCBs for ~$35 w/o shipping. I thought they were permanently overbooked
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2016-12-24T14:11:42 < dongs> qyx, oh Laurenceb code, holy shit.
2016-12-24T14:12:04 < Rob235> I thought Laurenceb didn't use spaces?
2016-12-24T14:12:13 < Fleck> so M0AR is not incrementing but MINC is set and MSIZE is also set, mem to periph mode, ideas?
2016-12-24T14:15:27 < TheSeven> Fleck: M0AR never increments, only an internal pointer in the DMA controller
2016-12-24T14:15:36 < TheSeven> I'm not aware of a way to read that back
2016-12-24T14:15:58 < Fleck> ohh
2016-12-24T14:16:00 < Fleck> I see
2016-12-24T14:16:19 < TheSeven> (if M0AR would be incremented, that would break circular mode)
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2016-12-24T14:19:39 < qyx> theres a register with a "bytes left" value
2016-12-24T14:20:13 < TheSeven> on F0?
2016-12-24T14:20:18 < Fleck> f7
2016-12-24T14:20:45 < Fleck> using DMA2_Stream4 to play audio, one frame is looping ;D
2016-12-24T14:22:56 < TheSeven> hm, interesting... on F0 the CNDTR register doubles as both total byte count and remaining byte count, implicitly re-loading the last-written value in circular mode upon completion
2016-12-24T14:23:09 < TheSeven> are they separate regs on F2/4/7?
2016-12-24T14:24:33 < Thorn> on f4, you write byte count into NDTR and then it decrements to 0 as the transfer is running
2016-12-24T14:24:47 < TheSeven> ok, so same thing there
2016-12-24T14:24:55 < Thorn> afair in circular mode it auto-reloads from some shadow register
2016-12-24T14:25:00 < Fleck> NDTR is jumping all the time here
2016-12-24T14:26:15 < Fleck> maybe I need to clear TCIF4 flag?
2016-12-24T14:27:39 < Thorn> if you want to restart the stream you need to clear all the LIFCR flags before setting EN again
2016-12-24T14:29:37 < Fleck> nope I want dma to stream from 0x90000000 to 0x90EB0000
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2016-12-24T14:34:51 < Fleck> I guess I cannot use circular mode in this case, and need to manually increase/start DMA ?
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2016-12-24T14:37:43 < HorizonSet> When you say stream from <addr> to <addr>
2016-12-24T14:38:08 < HorizonSet> you mean have the stream increment memory with that xfer size, then manually restart it after xfer complete?
2016-12-24T14:39:19 < Fleck> when you say xfer size... :D you mean? :P
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2016-12-24T14:41:34 < HorizonSet> Assuming you're using the HAL drivers, you're specifying a source address, a destination address, and a transfer size, and some "thing" is initiating those DMA requests. After you've transfered <size> amount, you can handle a DMA Xfer Complete interrupt to do whatever you need to do. Refill the buffer, what have you. 
2016-12-24T14:42:20 < Fleck> yep... will try to do that now :)
2016-12-24T14:57:34 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtMFFkkQa14
2016-12-24T15:07:10 < Fleck> woohoo, it plays! :)
2016-12-24T15:10:07 < Fleck> plays mono tho, but that must be me, created bad raw pcm :D
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2016-12-24T15:24:14 < Fleck> or, I am skipping frames...
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2016-12-24T17:49:46 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVp1t86sAVg music times
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2016-12-24T17:53:02 < Steffanx> Don't trigger me kakimir.
2016-12-24T17:53:31 <@englishman> hello fellow pro stm32 devs and internet video bloggers
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2016-12-24T17:53:51 < kakimir> Steffanx: this song is actually good
2016-12-24T17:54:00 < Steffanx> no its not.
2016-12-24T17:54:40 < Steffanx> *cat vloggers, cat vloggers englishman.
2016-12-24T17:56:50 < Thorn> is a schottky diode a passable voltage reference?
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2016-12-24T17:57:22 < kakimir> good mid-winter everyone!
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2016-12-24T17:58:00 < kakimir> Thorn: with regulated current and known temperature
2016-12-24T17:58:43 < Thorn> if I had a current source why would I need a voltage reference
2016-12-24T17:59:10 < kakimir> somewhat regulated current is enoguht
2016-12-24T17:59:45 < Thorn> ok is a 470k resistor a good enough current source
2016-12-24T17:59:47 < kakimir> resistor from known voltage source
2016-12-24T17:59:57 < kakimir> that is regulated
2016-12-24T18:01:01 < kakimir> Thorn: you should select current so that current changes have as little effect as possible
2016-12-24T18:03:17 < kakimir> and enought magnitude to current so that interference coupling doesn't have but marginal effect
2016-12-24T18:05:07 < kakimir> schottkys leak like shit btw
2016-12-24T18:05:18 < kakimir> why not just generic diode?
2016-12-24T18:06:07 < kakimir> but don't know how schottkys leak forward
2016-12-24T18:06:12 < kakimir> I assume the same than reverse
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2016-12-24T18:10:30 < kakimir> Thorn: why schottky?
2016-12-24T18:12:25 < Thorn> because it has the same pinout (but reversed) as the zener that I originally specified
2016-12-24T18:12:44 < Thorn> that zener has a soft fucking knee
2016-12-24T18:13:28 < kakimir> you need to throw some money at it to have schottky that doesn't leak like shit
2016-12-24T18:13:36 < kakimir> in your footprint
2016-12-24T18:13:56 < Thorn> it will be forward biased
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2016-12-24T18:22:08 < kakimir> I don't remember how it goes - check it
2016-12-24T18:24:28 < fenugrec> what happened that requires a ~ 0.3V ref instead of the much higher Vf of a zener
2016-12-24T18:26:38 < kakimir> what is that under 0.3V even usable for?
2016-12-24T18:28:45 < fenugrec> audio compressor / effects ?
2016-12-24T18:30:42 < kakimir> idk
2016-12-24T18:31:26 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/oWab_qRuVd4?t=32s
2016-12-24T18:32:14 < Thorn> this is the circuit http://imgur.com/a/nloq2
2016-12-24T18:33:10 < fenugrec> change r15/r17 ratio instead ?
2016-12-24T18:34:35 < Thorn> I don't want to change trigger point, I want a much harder knee than the zener provides
2016-12-24T18:34:38 < fenugrec> a comparator could've probably replaced U4 + Q4
2016-12-24T18:34:53 < Thorn> U4 is a comparator
2016-12-24T18:35:15 < Thorn> but when it turns off the LDO gets the enable signal
2016-12-24T18:35:16 < fenugrec> oh you wanted positive fb, hence needed to invert
2016-12-24T18:35:19 < Thorn> unless you invert it
2016-12-24T18:36:00 < Thorn> I mean when the comparator shuts down because its Vdd is too low
2016-12-24T18:36:14 < Thorn> that's something spice doesn't show you
2016-12-24T18:36:29 < fenugrec> can you use the regulated 3.3V as trig voltage ?
2016-12-24T18:36:34 < fenugrec> what vbat are we talking about here
2016-12-24T18:36:38 < fenugrec> ~ 4V?
2016-12-24T18:37:00 < Thorn> 4.2 is the maximum yes
2016-12-24T18:38:44 < fenugrec> does TL431 fit ? probably get it in SOT23
2016-12-24T18:40:32 < Thorn> the trick is to make it stay disabled as close to 0 as possible 
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2016-12-24T19:26:12 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8f895h6a-E music for christmas?
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2016-12-24T19:47:17 < bartekww> hey guys
2016-12-24T19:47:29 < bartekww> my enc and uip is partially working
2016-12-24T19:47:37 < bartekww> partially because im getting packets
2016-12-24T19:47:45 < bartekww> putting it into buffer
2016-12-24T19:48:05 < bartekww> but i don't send any packet
2016-12-24T19:48:29 < bartekww> because when uip is checking ip address it looks like it's different
2016-12-24T19:49:05 < bartekww> what should i do?
2016-12-24T19:49:12 < ReadErr> Rtfm
2016-12-24T19:49:37 < ReadErr> Or rtfc
2016-12-24T19:50:03 < bartekww> i read it
2016-12-24T19:50:08 < bartekww> but nothing
2016-12-24T19:50:16 < bartekww> stm32f1 is little endian?
2016-12-24T19:51:49 < fenugrec> yes
2016-12-24T19:51:56 < fenugrec> IIRC all 32F are LE
2016-12-24T19:53:37 < bartekww> okay
2016-12-24T19:53:42 < bartekww> so not that is the problem
2016-12-24T19:53:51 < fenugrec> isn't IP stuff bigE
2016-12-24T19:54:35 < ReadErr> bartekww: you arent trying shit
2016-12-24T19:54:53 < bartekww> ?
2016-12-24T19:55:03 < ReadErr> and you still cant seem to ask a fucking question right
2016-12-24T19:55:19 < bartekww> it looks the stm32 enc isn't getting my arp packets
2016-12-24T19:55:38 < ReadErr> great, maybe show ur code and if someone cares enough they will help
2016-12-24T19:55:49 < ReadErr> this is a fairly simple concept 
2016-12-24T19:56:22 < ReadErr> s'like going to the doctor and saying "it hurts"
2016-12-24T19:57:33 < bartekww> okay
2016-12-24T19:57:34 < bartekww> wait
2016-12-24T19:58:32 < bartekww> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cr9j6kqa6uk3m3a/AADLR2GS5NLp86r9X6NWAgvSa?dl=0
2016-12-24T19:58:36 < bartekww> here is the code
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2016-12-24T20:29:11 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8B5u65R1M&feature=youtu.be
2016-12-24T20:29:14 < ReadErr> dongs spotted
2016-12-24T20:29:14 < ColdKeyboard> What is the difference if I have each C file including only .h files that it needs, vs one main.h file with all .h files included in it and all .c files include that one?
2016-12-24T20:30:25 < qyx> you don't want to include all headers for multiple reasons
2016-12-24T20:30:41 < qyx> it slows down compilation in large projects for example
2016-12-24T20:32:55 < Lambda-Aurigae> a file should be included once and only once usually.
2016-12-24T20:33:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> use defines and if statements to determine if something has been included already.
2016-12-24T20:33:48 < qyx> #pragma once in modern world
2016-12-24T20:33:58 < Lambda-Aurigae> that works too.
2016-12-24T20:34:24 < Lambda-Aurigae> have to relearn #pragma myself as it seems to do different things on different platforms.
2016-12-24T20:34:28 < qyx> also, doing that is like using globals for everything
2016-12-24T20:34:59 < qyx> ie. you certainly don't want all the things from all modules to be visible everywhere
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2016-12-24T20:36:09 < ColdKeyboard> if I have #ifdef part in every header that takes care of multiple inclusions
2016-12-24T20:38:43 < qyx> I am not talking about including the same header multiple times
2016-12-24T20:39:14 < qyx> thats also an issue, but it is usually solved by #ifdef or #pragma once
2016-12-24T20:39:21 < fenugrec> the #ifdef guard for sincle-inclusion is the only portable way, #pragma is implementation-defined
2016-12-24T20:39:51 < qyx> yes, thats true, but it becomes a "standard" as nearly all usable and used platforms support it
2016-12-24T20:40:28 < qyx> I hear that point very often though
2016-12-24T20:40:49 < fenugrec> thought only gcc had pragma once, TBH I don't use other compilers really
2016-12-24T20:41:26 < qyx> ColdKeyboard: I was talking about the situation where you have 100s of modules and each have a .c and a .h file
2016-12-24T20:41:55 < qyx> if you concatenate all the .h files into a one large main.h file, your will not be alive when the compilation ends
2016-12-24T20:42:40 < ColdKeyboard> I see
2016-12-24T20:43:56 < qyx> fenugrec: theres a list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragma_once
2016-12-24T20:44:22 < bartekww> ReadErr: have you looked at my sources?
2016-12-24T20:44:27 < fenugrec> haha ok, more than I thought
2016-12-24T20:48:28 < bartekww> anyone can help me with that shit?
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2016-12-24T21:43:02 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/uxFWmhn
2016-12-24T21:54:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> the turkey is a bit rare
2016-12-24T22:00:57 < ColdKeyboard> As per usuall, I messed up something. I have this function -> http://pastebin.com/fY15ajLv
2016-12-24T22:01:12 < ColdKeyboard> I try it with Logger_WritePintf((uint8_t *)"Testing Printf Time: %02d:%02d\r\n", 14, 48);
2016-12-24T22:01:34 < ColdKeyboard> But on SD card "Testing Printf Time: 536887268:524" gets written... so I'm messing something up with arguments I guess...
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2016-12-24T22:02:51 < ColdKeyboard> If I have for example "void function (char a, ...) " how do I pass ... part from one function to another?
2016-12-24T22:03:27 < fenugrec> ColdKeyboard are you sure you're pushing int arguments after the format string
2016-12-24T22:03:47 < fenugrec> you might use #define with the "..." syntax I can never remember
2016-12-24T22:05:42 < Steffanx> Great question: does it actually compiles stuff into something useful?
2016-12-24T22:06:14 < qyx> does it actually compile stuff?
2016-12-24T22:06:27 < ColdKeyboard> fenugrec: Other function is defined as int f_printf ( FIL* fp, const TCHAR* fmt, ... ) so it doesn't support va_arg
2016-12-24T22:06:44 < Steffanx> You've been quiet lately LeelooMinai.. gave up on us? :P
2016-12-24T22:07:51 < Steffanx> Excellent.
2016-12-24T22:40:32 < Laurenceb_> the epin drama of Brianna https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10035865&cid=53548749
2016-12-24T23:16:48 < Lambda-Aurigae> must lose something without the audio.
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2016-12-24T23:25:58 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: she gets a pretty consistent reaction, running for office is going to have a relatively lot of eyes on stuff
2016-12-24T23:26:20 < ohsix> that's that politically useful divisiveness that puts people in your camp and in the 'other'
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2016-12-24T23:41:29 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, happy christmas
2016-12-24T23:45:51 < Laurenceb_> happy christmas to you too
2016-12-24T23:45:59 < Laurenceb_> in a few hours  :D
2016-12-24T23:52:05 < Tectu> huh?
2016-12-24T23:52:06 < Tectu> oh
2016-12-24T23:52:15 < Tectu> we do it on the 24th here in swissland
2016-12-24T23:54:11 < Laurenceb_> fair enough
2016-12-24T23:54:15 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-MC9VBSWa8
2016-12-24T23:54:25 < Laurenceb_>  "give your geiger counter a real workout"
2016-12-24T23:54:27 < Laurenceb_> I lolld
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2016-12-25T00:09:59 < ReadErr> I hope ur stockings are full of tendies come morning Laurenceb_ and all
2016-12-25T00:11:52 < Fleck> merry christmas Tectu!
2016-12-25T00:12:29 < ohsix> ctcp sound triggered.wav
2016-12-25T00:13:29 < ohsix> lewl there's a 'KYS' brand capacitor
2016-12-25T00:13:41 < ohsix> upgrdman: which dirt gel listing did you get
2016-12-25T00:14:06 < ohsix> f it, just ordering random one
2016-12-25T00:14:43 < Tectu> Thank you, the same to you, Fleck!
2016-12-25T00:15:25 < ohsix> if it doesn't mar lcd's it'll actually be gr8 for one of my pet peeves, dust around bezel edges
2016-12-25T00:20:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, the one you linked
2016-12-25T00:22:14 < ohsix> k
2016-12-25T00:22:27 < ohsix> lul Techmoan dropping hip hop references in his video
2016-12-25T00:22:29 < ohsix> https://getondown.com/album.php?id=18026
2016-12-25T00:22:49 < ohsix> the whitest ass white guy audiophile, audio collecting nerd
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2016-12-25T01:02:14 < Laurenceb_> ohsix knows all about ass?
2016-12-25T01:09:33 < Laurenceb_> https://anonmgur.com/up/3315148ea23b945579db7864a8ea9ca4.jpg
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2016-12-25T01:18:31 < kakimir> jeezzzzz
2016-12-25T01:21:15 < kakimir> hot tub is the shit
2016-12-25T01:21:27 < kakimir> 3hours straight
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2016-12-25T01:23:20 < kakimir> got a big pack of beer as christmas present which was really desireable coincidence
2016-12-25T01:24:33 < kakimir> I have never had that chill with relatives
2016-12-25T01:25:57 < Lambda-Aurigae> I don't get christmas presents...nor give them.
2016-12-25T01:26:44 < kakimir> I don't think I have never made my parents from absolute chill 'n mellow to almost angry in such a short notice
2016-12-25T01:27:03 < Lambda-Aurigae> if the wifey and I want or need something we buy it for ourselves.  If it's something expensive we discuss it first between ourselves.
2016-12-25T01:27:22 < kakimir> when their turn was over and we went in to drink beer for 3hours straight
2016-12-25T01:29:40 < kakimir> you should also discuss it if not yourselves but at least in some level reason it yourself
2016-12-25T01:29:50 < kakimir> even with little things
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2016-12-25T01:30:13 < kakimir> there shouldn't be a thing you can throw money at without any reasoning by anyone
2016-12-25T01:30:50 < Lambda-Aurigae> I get my weekly allowance and she gets hers....anything other than bills that we spend money on we discuss betwixt us.
2016-12-25T01:32:11 < kakimir> you discuss also whatever your allowance covers and buys?
2016-12-25T01:32:21 < Lambda-Aurigae> no.
2016-12-25T01:32:57 < kakimir> oh I thought you had some absolute system where every cent is counted and booked
2016-12-25T01:33:02 < Lambda-Aurigae> nono..
2016-12-25T01:33:06 < kakimir> :I
2016-12-25T01:33:09 < Lambda-Aurigae> allowance we spend however we want.
2016-12-25T01:33:11 < Lambda-Aurigae> bills are bills
2016-12-25T01:33:16 < kakimir> that is the idea
2016-12-25T01:33:36 < Lambda-Aurigae> anything else is to be discussed.
2016-12-25T01:34:35 < Lambda-Aurigae> works out rather well.
2016-12-25T01:35:11 < kakimir> but presents
2016-12-25T01:35:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> we don't buy presents for each other.
2016-12-25T01:35:28 < kakimir> it's in area of your allowances
2016-12-25T01:35:48 < kakimir> not in area of your bills and pays whatever
2016-12-25T01:36:10 < kakimir> give some of it away
2016-12-25T01:37:28 < kakimir> without any guarantees the generous gesture would be returned
2016-12-25T01:37:36 <@englishman> merry fucking christmas Tectu 
2016-12-25T01:37:42 < Lambda-Aurigae> last time I donated money to anything was to the blender foundation to buy the source code for blender.
2016-12-25T01:38:47 < kakimir> I have headache
2016-12-25T01:38:54 < Lambda-Aurigae> I do that to people.
2016-12-25T01:38:57 < Lambda-Aurigae> {:
2016-12-25T01:39:21 < Spirit532> Lambda-Aurigae, sounds like a rather huge compromise
2016-12-25T01:39:35 < Spirit532> but I guess you don't buy a lot of expensive stuff :P
2016-12-25T01:39:38 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnEIaw0zfqw
2016-12-25T01:39:42 < Lambda-Aurigae> not a lot.
2016-12-25T01:39:46 < BrainDamage> merry xmas
2016-12-25T01:39:49 < Spirit532> if I had a wife, she'd never allow me to blow so much money on shit I never actually need
2016-12-25T01:39:50 < Spirit532> lol
2016-12-25T01:39:53 < Lambda-Aurigae> last summer we bought ourselves new comuters.
2016-12-25T01:40:07 < Spirit532> I bought a high speed camera
2016-12-25T01:40:19 < Spirit532> not because I needed it for anything(at all), I just wanted one.
2016-12-25T01:40:29 < Lambda-Aurigae> I got a rocking i7 laptop and she got a nice 15 inch flip computer/tablet thingie.
2016-12-25T01:41:04 < Spirit532> I also bought a CNC router... and a lathe... and a lot of other stuff
2016-12-25T01:41:10 < Lambda-Aurigae> hehe.
2016-12-25T01:41:11 < Spirit532> but I love my hobbies
2016-12-25T01:41:12 < Spirit532> :>
2016-12-25T01:41:16 < Lambda-Aurigae> me too.
2016-12-25T01:41:23 < Spirit532> which is why I can't find a girl I can wife
2016-12-25T01:41:24 < Lambda-Aurigae> I have lots of toys.
2016-12-25T01:41:29 < Spirit532> nobody likes my hobbies
2016-12-25T01:41:41 < Lambda-Aurigae> and a whole 48x24 foot building full of them.
2016-12-25T01:41:57 < Spirit532> foot?
2016-12-25T01:42:03 < Lambda-Aurigae> I make things for the wifey and she lets me buy new toys...err...tools to make them with.
2016-12-25T01:42:08 < Spirit532> 48ft to m
2016-12-25T01:42:11 < Spirit532> no bots :(
2016-12-25T01:42:14 < upgrdman> Tectu, is that how most of shitzerland looks?  https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/5k4gw2/grindelwald_switzerland/
2016-12-25T01:42:33 < Lambda-Aurigae> 14m by 7m
2016-12-25T01:42:43 < Spirit532> lucky you
2016-12-25T01:43:01 < Spirit532> a wife and a workshop and money
2016-12-25T01:43:08 < Spirit532> fuck your happiness
2016-12-25T01:43:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> worked long and hard for it.
2016-12-25T01:43:15  * Spirit532 sobs in the corner
2016-12-25T01:44:00 < Lambda-Aurigae> hard to believe that in 1996 I was homeless, pennyless, single, and owned the clothes on my back and two changes.
2016-12-25T01:44:19 < Spirit532> well, I was never THAT low
2016-12-25T01:44:49 < Thorn> can you even have a wife an money at the same time
2016-12-25T01:44:53 < Lambda-Aurigae> ended up living on a campground, in a tent that was given to me.
2016-12-25T01:45:02 < Spirit532> I went from a stupid, nerdy, uncool kid to a more annoying, educated, nerdy, uncool kid
2016-12-25T01:45:04 < Lambda-Aurigae> Thorn, she has the money but lets me use it sometimes....hehe
2016-12-25T01:45:31 < Spirit532> and I remain that same nerdy, uncool kid... a decade later D:
2016-12-25T01:45:52 < Lambda-Aurigae> Spirit532, I'm much the same...just married with a house and car payment.
2016-12-25T01:46:07 < Spirit532> I would probably find someone
2016-12-25T01:46:16 < Lambda-Aurigae> I'm on my third marriage.
2016-12-25T01:46:19 < Spirit532> if I didn't live in the middle of fucking nowhere, thanks to hopefully temporary circumstances
2016-12-25T01:46:38 < Thorn> that's my point, you make the money and someone else owns it, where is the logic (or even financial safety)
2016-12-25T01:47:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> Thorn, we have a partnership.  neither of us spends the big money without discussing it first.
2016-12-25T01:47:47 < Thorn> neither one does until one does
2016-12-25T01:49:02 < Lambda-Aurigae> it's called trust and love.
2016-12-25T01:50:20 < Spirit532> a rare thing
2016-12-25T01:50:33 < Lambda-Aurigae> yup.
2016-12-25T01:50:52 < Lambda-Aurigae> first two marriages ended badly....took me quite a bit to trust again.
2016-12-25T02:02:27 < kakimir> Lambda-Aurigae: beer does that to people
2016-12-25T02:02:33 < kakimir> leep>
2016-12-25T02:05:25 < Lambda-Aurigae> yup
2016-12-25T02:05:35 < Lambda-Aurigae> I prefer stronger liquor though.
2016-12-25T02:06:02 < Lambda-Aurigae> can't get decent beer in this country, even with all the microbreweries popping up everywhere.
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2016-12-25T02:15:50 < kakimir> where are you from?
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2016-12-25T02:21:35 < Lambda-Aurigae> Earth mostly.
2016-12-25T02:21:44 < Lambda-Aurigae> I currently live in Iowa, USA
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2016-12-25T02:54:52 < ohsix> can you really describe being in iowa as living
2016-12-25T02:55:03 < Lambda-Aurigae> yes, actually.
2016-12-25T02:55:05 < Lambda-Aurigae> clean air
2016-12-25T02:55:07 < Lambda-Aurigae> nice people
2016-12-25T02:55:16 < Lambda-Aurigae> I live 25 miles from town
2016-12-25T02:55:19 < ohsix> sounds like a hospital
2016-12-25T02:55:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> and have fiber to the house.
2016-12-25T03:09:27 <@englishman> Laurenceb_: holy shit that lolcow wiki,  just wow
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2016-12-25T03:51:34 < ohsix> fff just touched the screen of my laptop like it would do something
2016-12-25T03:52:05 < ohsix> englishman: back in the day when sherrod de grippo kept it clean, stuff was fun
2016-12-25T03:52:30 < ohsix> ED has read like an attack manual since then, and not funny
2016-12-25T04:03:25 < ohsix> http://www.harman-kardon.cz/produkty/51/mark-levinson-326-s-3.jpg
2016-12-25T04:03:41 < ohsix> wonder what the fpga is doing
2016-12-25T04:04:22 < ohsix> those daughterboards look like they're doing something stupid but i'm afraid to look at what
2016-12-25T04:05:44 < ohsix> https://buchla.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/200e_266.jpg
2016-12-25T04:05:50 < ohsix> watching a kewl presentation by star simpson
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2016-12-25T04:46:14 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/lxwissss/status/812802183074893832
2016-12-25T05:07:53 < Laurenceb_> englishman: its like encyclopedia dramatica just not exaggerated
2016-12-25T05:08:17 < Laurenceb_> Happy Christmas BTW
2016-12-25T05:08:25 < Laurenceb_> know who runs lolcow wiki?
2016-12-25T05:08:39 < Laurenceb_> The Amazing Atheist, king of Reddit :D
2016-12-25T05:10:25 < Laurenceb_> and De Hippo is a literal FBI agent
2016-12-25T05:10:35 < Laurenceb_> reality is stranger than fiction
2016-12-25T05:16:36 < ohsix> https://www.myminifactory.com/object/nintendo-switch-replica-25431
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2016-12-25T05:22:48 < ohsix> https://www.myminifactory.com/object/wu-ying-shoes-pentesting-platform-shoes-25049 lul
2016-12-25T05:23:19 < ohsix> https://www.myminifactory.com/object/tampon-magazine-25046
2016-12-25T05:23:31 < ohsix> this is just a sample of things you might find on this amazing website
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2016-12-25T05:51:24 < ColdKeyboard> Merry Christmas to those who are celebrating :)
2016-12-25T05:52:49 <@englishman> merry winter holiday
2016-12-25T06:03:16 < HorizonSet> HAL_Celebration_Start(&hholiday);
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2016-12-25T06:36:42 < ColdKeyboard> What can I set in comments to tell Cube MX not to overwrite that part of code? If there is a such a thing?
2016-12-25T06:48:32 < ohsix> if you stay between the markers in the generated code, it will
2016-12-25T06:48:41 < ohsix> if you don't see any markers, it'll clobber that whole file
2016-12-25T06:48:52 < ohsix> it's in the documentation i think
2016-12-25T06:51:02 < ohsix> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/10/c5/1a/43/3a/70/43/7d/DM00104712.pdf/files/DM00104712.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00104712.pdf p 154
2016-12-25T06:51:16 < ohsix> that's the same pdf shipped with cube and in the help menu
2016-12-25T06:51:38 < ColdKeyboard> thanks
2016-12-25T06:52:21 < ohsix> send money
2016-12-25T06:52:27 < ohsix> i read that thing cuz i wnated to do something, it sucked
2016-12-25T06:52:43 < ohsix> thank you for not making it a total waste of timeeee huhuhu
2016-12-25T06:56:30 < HorizonSet> It would be nice if there were "Don't fuck this up" tags for CubeMX that could be inserted in blocks by the user. 
2016-12-25T07:01:25 < ohsix> freemarker is supposed to be able to do that
2016-12-25T07:01:53 < ohsix> not clobber whole file but update desatination between markers
2016-12-25T07:24:22 < ColdKeyboard> Why is void USART1_IRQHandler(void) not being called by HAL when there is TX interrupt?
2016-12-25T07:43:18 < HorizonSet> I have a hard time understanding the HAL/ISR relationship in it's different capacities. 
2016-12-25T07:44:35 < HorizonSet> More often than not, I end up driving into the HAL function that's supposed to do what I want, pulling out the useful bits, and writing a slimmed-down version that isn't nearly as convoluted. 
2016-12-25T07:47:56 < ColdKeyboard> For now, HAL is kicking my but... So hard for me to switch to it from stdlib
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2016-12-25T08:08:25 < HorizonSet> I never had the good fortune of playing with stdlib, but I've been through a lot of code that references it. It looks much more cut and dry. 
2016-12-25T08:09:15 < HorizonSet> I'm not too invested in STM32 yet, I'm thinking about playing around with some other Cortex M platforms. 
2016-12-25T08:09:33 < ColdKeyboard> Apparently HAL has flaky usart RX interrupt... 
2016-12-25T08:09:45 < ColdKeyboard> What platform do you use>
2016-12-25T08:09:46 < ColdKeyboard> ?
2016-12-25T08:09:55 < HorizonSet> I use STM now, I'm looking at the Atmel SAM series. 
2016-12-25T08:10:15 < HorizonSet> Of course, the dev. boards are an order of magnitude more expensive. 
2016-12-25T08:10:47 < ColdKeyboard> Yea, that's one of the things I like about STM. 10-50 bucks for dev board... that's cheap
2016-12-25T08:12:14 < HorizonSet> http://tinyurl.com/hw4uqsu
2016-12-25T08:12:18 < HorizonSet> $1.71
2016-12-25T08:13:20 < HorizonSet> STM32 chips are nearly free, and I've learned enough about how to sidestep HAL's shortcomings that it's not a huge problem anymore, I'd just like to see how well Atmel's VS-based IDE works. Going to look into some of their documentation, I'd like to see how good they are at documenting their API stuff. 
2016-12-25T08:14:43 < ColdKeyboard> Lol, this is dirt cheap.
2016-12-25T08:14:59 < HorizonSet> I have a half-dozen of them. They're okay. You get what you pay for, but they run. 
2016-12-25T08:15:20 < ColdKeyboard> I don't know, STM32 was my first ARM board and actually it was this one 103 from eBay :)
2016-12-25T08:15:35 < ColdKeyboard> They are cheap, and they do the job most of the time
2016-12-25T08:15:48 < ColdKeyboard> Only problem is I'm trying to learn HAL now and it's not easy
2016-12-25T08:19:38 < HorizonSet> HAL is a bear, and for the sheer volume of documentation they afford the developer, they don't really do a great job of telling you exactly how to use it. 
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2016-12-25T08:26:20 < ColdKeyboard> So I'm having an issue that RX interrupt is being called only once. I'm trying __HAL_UART_CLEAR_FLAG(&huart1, UART_FLAG_RXNE); inside USART1_IRQHandler() but I still get sticky uart interrupt...
2016-12-25T08:26:28 < ColdKeyboard> Any suggestions how to clear/reenable it?
2016-12-25T08:28:30 < Thorn> test another flag at the end of the handler, like if (usart->SR & USART_SR_TC) { }
2016-12-25T08:28:45 < Thorn> that's what I do anyway and it seems to work
2016-12-25T08:29:20 < Thorn> I tried __DMB(), __DSB(), they don't help
2016-12-25T08:29:44 < HorizonSet> Making note of this. 
2016-12-25T08:31:29 < ColdKeyboard> I don't have SR for USART1 :\
2016-12-25T08:32:04 < ColdKeyboard> But I think I see what are you saying. I'll try checking for status after ISR is done
2016-12-25T08:32:10 < Thorn> it would be a good test to read or write some volatile var instead to see if you need to access the SR or any bus transfer is enough
2016-12-25T08:32:40 < Thorn> what do you mean you don't have SR?
2016-12-25T08:33:15 < ColdKeyboard> USART1->SR member doesn't exist
2016-12-25T08:33:34 < Thorn> what chip is it?
2016-12-25T08:33:42 < ColdKeyboard> STM32F072
2016-12-25T08:33:59 < HorizonSet> Try USART1->USART_SR
2016-12-25T08:34:23 < HorizonSet> RM0008 sec. 27.6.1
2016-12-25T08:34:43 < HorizonSet> Oops, sorry. Thought you were on F10xxx
2016-12-25T08:35:03 < Thorn> you probably need USART1->ISR
2016-12-25T08:37:22 < ColdKeyboard> USART1->ISR & USART_ISR_TC
2016-12-25T08:37:23 < HorizonSet> Yeah, USARTx_ISR bit 6 is your TC flag.
2016-12-25T08:37:26 < Thorn> and/or ICR
2016-12-25T08:37:38 < ColdKeyboard> This is returning true after the ISR is complete :\
2016-12-25T08:37:47 < Thorn> because it's the Interrupt flag Clear register
2016-12-25T08:46:01 < ColdKeyboard> So I cleared that flag and still same thing... :\
2016-12-25T08:58:04 < ColdKeyboard> Any clue on what function re enables RX interrupt in HAL?
2016-12-25T09:12:49 < HorizonSet> HAL_USART_Receive_IT()?
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2016-12-25T09:16:12 < ColdKeyboard> wtf? I had that in ISR before and it didn't work and now it works
2016-12-25T09:16:27 < ColdKeyboard> HAL_UART_Receive_IT(&huart1, &t, 1); in IRQ_Handler works...
2016-12-25T09:16:33 < ColdKeyboard> THanks HorizonSet
2016-12-25T09:16:52 < HorizonSet> I'm glad it worked, the question mark was sincere. I'm still figuring out the all-in-one HAL functions. 
2016-12-25T09:17:05 < HorizonSet> __HAL_PPP_ENABLE_IT(__HANDLE__, __INTERRUPT__)  would be the macro I'd play with, failing that. 
2016-12-25T09:19:34 < ColdKeyboard> I literally had that in my ISR like 2hours ago and it didn't work. Obviously because of I had something else too but now it's working...
2016-12-25T09:20:24 < HorizonSet> I don't know what to tell you. I'm not a programmer by any stretch of the word, so I'm basically learning C and embedded systems at the same time. It's like drinking from a firehose, but I'm getting it sorted. 
2016-12-25T09:20:53 < ColdKeyboard> Drinking from a firehose, that's the exact description :)
2016-12-25T09:21:44 < HorizonSet> Haha.
2016-12-25T09:22:42 < ohsix> what's the good word pronoun appropriate term
2016-12-25T09:23:05 < ohsix> how would you work 'they' / 'them' into 'fellas'
2016-12-25T09:23:50 < HorizonSet> I'm not sure what you're asking
2016-12-25T09:24:24 < ohsix> they/them/their, gender neutral pronouns, how would you say something like hello ladies with them
2016-12-25T09:27:57 < ohsix> just 'people' or 'folks' i guess
2016-12-25T09:28:10 < ohsix> fellow colonists
2016-12-25T09:29:53 < ohsix> the m3d printer sure is cute
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2016-12-25T09:30:51 < ohsix> http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=107&cp_id=10724&cs_id=1072403&p_id=15365&seq=1&format=2 this is cute too
2016-12-25T09:31:49 < ohsix> lewl gearbest has laser engravers for 70$
2016-12-25T09:37:16 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/101hero/101hero-the-world-first-us49-3d-printer/posts/1749510
2016-12-25T09:50:01 < HorizonSet> Yeah, when I'm addressing an email like that, I generally just do a "All, " can't be fussed, haha. 
2016-12-25T09:50:07 < HorizonSet> Also, Shenzhen IO is lovely. 
2016-12-25T09:50:13 < HorizonSet> " 诚尚Micro’s MCxxxx microcontroller family. With plenty of room for complex instructions in its expansive fourteen-line program memory, two general-purpose registers, and six pins for I/O, the MC6000 can be at the center of even your most demanding embedded applications!"
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2016-12-25T10:13:27 < ColdKeyboard> Cannot believe it... same crap again
2016-12-25T10:14:48 < ohsix> Kliment: lerl heat creap and filament chewing are apparently widely experienced on lulzbot stuff
2016-12-25T10:15:56 < ohsix> this shit is one of those things that sucks really bad, because people speculate and never really root cause
2016-12-25T10:16:43 < ColdKeyboard> HorizonSet: Do you see anything wrong with this part -> http://pastie.org/10985538
2016-12-25T10:16:51 < ColdKeyboard> It's again, getting called once and then nothing...
2016-12-25T10:19:01 < Kliment> ohsix: Oh? I know a number of people who use them daily and I've never heard of that being a problem
2016-12-25T10:19:48 < ohsix> do they use pla?
2016-12-25T10:20:02 < Kliment> They use a number of materials
2016-12-25T10:20:44 < ohsix> whether it jams or not seems to just depend on time
2016-12-25T10:21:00 < ohsix> was trying to get stuff going with the dual extruders, and the yellow filament would just stop
2016-12-25T10:21:21 < ohsix> oh ya
2016-12-25T10:21:25 < ohsix> i bet they don't have dual extruders
2016-12-25T10:21:37 < ohsix> though i was having the same problem just using one
2016-12-25T10:22:09 < ohsix> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1461335 there's a bunch of these on thingiverse
2016-12-25T10:22:47 < ohsix> the cura junk, when you use PLA, it doesn'te ven change the fan speeds, i did that manually and it seems to make it a bit longer
2016-12-25T10:23:24 < ohsix> when you pull the pla out you can see the jam, and there's about an inch of rubbery feeling pla
2016-12-25T10:24:29 < ohsix> i have no basis yet on what a good print can look like or when it is working well :\
2016-12-25T10:24:54 < ohsix> people with first gen makerbots seem to make gr8 stuff and it isn't super hard huhu
2016-12-25T10:26:29 < ohsix> i have the old head and i can put it back on, but i dunno if the owner will let me, even if it is contingent on working parts lul
2016-12-25T10:26:57 < ohsix> http://www.corsard.com/news-bedford/2016/2/13/perhaps-the-world-isnt-ready-for-dual-extrusion-printing not to dissimilar to my experience
2016-12-25T10:29:27 < ohsix> going to try some test models and some other stuff next time i can, i've been using it, it's just failed hard at the speculative/interesting things i'd like to be able to do
2016-12-25T10:35:10 < ohsix> https://www.lulzbot.com/store/tool-heads/lulzbot-taz-dual-extruder-tool-head-v2 looooool if they paid 500$ for this, holy shit
2016-12-25T10:35:46 < ohsix> https://www.lulzbot.com/sites/default/files/PLA-PVA_Dino_Pre-Wash.JPG their own demo shots look like garbage
2016-12-25T10:47:02 < Kliment> ohsix: Have you talked to them?
2016-12-25T10:53:15 < ohsix> not yet
2016-12-25T10:56:43 < ohsix> i think it's funny they can basically disclaim a lot of errors since it is pointed out as a part for 'experts'
2016-12-25T10:57:12 < ohsix> going to take ~hours to re-setup and verify anyways
2016-12-25T10:57:37 < ohsix> why on earth a 5000$ printer or whatever doesn't ahve bed leveling
2016-12-25T10:59:09 < ohsix> and the printhead weight distorts the head position when in the center of the print area
2016-12-25T11:02:35 < ohsix> heheh the taz 6 has different x rods and bearings
2016-12-25T11:03:37 < ohsix> they replace the plastic permanently lubricated bearings with real ones too
2016-12-25T11:08:02 < ohsix> https://www.lulzbot.com/sites/default/files/lulzbot_taz_single_extruder_tool_head_v2_connector.pdf lul
2016-12-25T11:16:57 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/AggravatingGlumHuemul
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2016-12-25T11:20:22 < ohsix> that cat shuts that shit down
2016-12-25T11:20:30 < ohsix> posted a link to same from twatter hours ago bruh
2016-12-25T11:21:15 < ohsix> https://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/4p1mij/bruh_my_weed/
2016-12-25T11:21:16 < upgrdman> o sry
2016-12-25T11:21:23 < ohsix> no worries
2016-12-25T11:21:36 < ohsix> more people will click cuz you posted it
2016-12-25T11:21:52 < ohsix> that cat took him down like a terrorist
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2016-12-25T11:36:32 < stvn> greetings to englishman and englishcat
2016-12-25T11:37:08 < ohsix> shpoople stvn fries
2016-12-25T11:37:19 < stvn> you wot mate?
2016-12-25T11:37:25 < ohsix> stvn: http://www.harman-kardon.cz/produkty/51/mark-levinson-326-s-3.jpg
2016-12-25T11:37:34 < stvn> is it stm32 ohsix ?
2016-12-25T11:37:52 < dongs> you think?
2016-12-25T11:37:55 < ohsix> i can't tell from the picture, but there's an fpga in there for some reason, probably an stm32 somewhere
2016-12-25T11:38:09 < dongs> whats more likely ohsix doing (and succeeding) stm32 or hell freezing over
2016-12-25T11:38:10 < stvn> i see takamisawa relays
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2016-12-25T11:38:17 < ohsix> it is your-job related
2016-12-25T11:38:18 < stvn> loldongs
2016-12-25T11:38:35 < ohsix> people are selling spare remotes for this thing for 400$USD
2016-12-25T11:38:47 < ohsix> only saw that incidentally, i bet the whole thing is megabux too
2016-12-25T11:39:04 < dongs> literally.
2016-12-25T11:39:15 < dongs> meanwhile im assebling few more boards of shittyflasher
2016-12-25T11:39:20 < stvn> good work
2016-12-25T11:41:25 < stvn> ohsix, audiophiles are the dumbest people, perfect for any scam
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2016-12-25T11:43:27 < ohsix> maybe
2016-12-25T11:43:30 < ohsix> i think they just have money
2016-12-25T11:43:45 < ohsix> then it isn't about being dumb, cuz you buy shit for prestige or whatever, you just say it is for 'sound'
2016-12-25T11:53:19 < ohsix> better jet, retards will be waiting for me tomorrow
2016-12-25T11:55:07 < stvn> merry christmas, have some food ya FUCKIN BITCH
2016-12-25T11:59:53 < dongs> more like merry http://i.imgur.com/ZztJCb2.png
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2016-12-25T12:13:38 < ReadErr> happy kwanza 
2016-12-25T12:14:03 < Tectu> Thank you, the same to you, englishman 
2016-12-25T12:20:21 < bartekww> ReadErr: stack is running :P
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2016-12-25T12:49:34 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIAO4Htzn8M
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2016-12-25T12:55:22 < stvn> saved: <dongs> more like merry http://i.imgur.com/ZztJCb2.png
2016-12-25T12:55:32 < stvn> quality content here
2016-12-25T13:01:34 < dongs> need to add ##stm32 hashtag to ti
2016-12-25T13:01:36 < dongs> it
2016-12-25T13:02:44 < dongs> updated my shittyflasher and moved blinding led on the top side
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2016-12-25T14:15:34 < dongs> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01N3P88V2/
2016-12-25T14:15:35 < dongs> ...
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2016-12-25T14:44:39 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/22/raspberry_pi_foundation_releases_operating_system_for_pcs_macs/ lol what fucking why
2016-12-25T14:55:37 < ReadErr> people dont even run that shit on rpi's
2016-12-25T14:55:45 < ReadErr> why would they install it on their desktop lol
2016-12-25T15:16:00 < Lambda-Aurigae> Dies Natalis Solis Invicti
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2016-12-25T16:24:49 < blacktronics> dongs: hahahaha i love you
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2016-12-25T18:19:21 < Laurenceb_> Was Joseph a cuck for raising Jesus?
2016-12-25T18:19:52 < Lambda-Aurigae> probably.
2016-12-25T18:20:01 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ does christmas
2016-12-25T18:22:04 < Lambda-Aurigae> I avoid it like the plague.
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2016-12-25T18:37:00 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/2JYDSF0.jpg
2016-12-25T19:19:47 < ColdKeyboard> Reddit is cancerous? :)
2016-12-25T19:20:11 < ColdKeyboard> I usually just use it in "read only" mode so I don't have that much contact with cancerous community 
2016-12-25T19:23:13 < ColdKeyboard> Btw is there any particular reason why there is only 1 trigger of RX interrupt? -> here is my ISR http://pastie.org/10985538
2016-12-25T19:30:51 < Laurenceb_> lul my cousin is on the youtubes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M0XlZFudqY
2016-12-25T19:30:54 < Laurenceb_> 2:56
2016-12-25T19:31:19 < Laurenceb_> mantrain MC
2016-12-25T19:32:04 < emeryth> ColdKeyboard: you're not clearing the interrupt flag?
2016-12-25T19:32:13 < Laurenceb_> ADHD: the video
2016-12-25T19:32:46 < Laurenceb_> you need to clear the interrupt flag at the beginning of the ISR
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2016-12-25T19:34:41 < ColdKeyboard> Funny thing is it was working last night and then I started editing the code and screwed it up. And ofc I do't have a backup
2016-12-25T19:34:49 < ColdKeyboard> I'll try cleaning flags
2016-12-25T19:34:54 < Steffanx> Anyone knows what circuitstudio is supposed to be? Something inbetween altium and circuit maker?
2016-12-25T19:35:20 < Laurenceb_> Steve Bong irl
2016-12-25T19:36:00 < ColdKeyboard> Some kind of Altiums try to reach out to maker community. I'm not sure how many people actually use it.
2016-12-25T19:37:18 < Steffanx> Circuit maker !
2016-12-25T19:37:29 < Steffanx> = circuit studio
2016-12-25T19:37:43 < Steffanx> Maker community wouldnt pay 1k for a license
2016-12-25T19:38:16 < BrainDamage> it would if it has a arduino logo
2016-12-25T19:38:54 < Steffanx> So no one tries it?
2016-12-25T19:39:01 < Steffanx> Tried*
2016-12-25T19:39:49 < ColdKeyboard> https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-76216/l/circuitstudio-by-altium-vs-altium-designer-feature-and-specification-comparison
2016-12-25T19:39:54 < ColdKeyboard> Seems like lite version of Altium
2016-12-25T19:42:05 < Steffanx> Oh lol, its 2 yo? Never heard of it before.
2016-12-25T19:45:49 < ColdKeyboard> __HAL_UART_CLEAR_FLAG(&huart1, UART_IT_RXNE); inside the ISR is not helping... 
2016-12-25T19:46:07 < ColdKeyboard> How am I supposed to clear the flag in HAL?
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2016-12-25T20:32:58 < Rob235> Merry Christmas!
2016-12-25T20:33:36 < Lambda-Aurigae> Dies Natalis Solis Invicti
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2016-12-25T20:46:14 < Fleck> anyone got clues/ideas why I am getting mono sound, PCM data is stereo, sure about that, also for playback speed to be normal, I have to use AUDIO_FREQUENCY_22K while pcm data is 44K (I think this is somehow related)
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2016-12-25T21:07:56 < Steffanx> Any idea how useful those brymens are in the uA range thorn?
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2016-12-25T21:28:07 < Thorn> Steffanx: I'm looking at a ws2812b that is turbed off, it is consuming 914.5uA according to the brymen
2016-12-25T21:31:21 < fenugrec> ColdKeyboard I might be mixing up another mcu, but you might need to read RDR ?
2016-12-25T21:32:14 < Steffanx> But thats almost mA range was more interested in 0-10uA or something thorn
2016-12-25T21:32:22 < Steffanx> Or 0-100 maybe
2016-12-25T21:36:31 < fenugrec> heh. "it is cleared by a read to the USARTx_RDR register"
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2016-12-25T21:43:22 < Thorn> what do you want me to measure lol
2016-12-25T21:44:52 < ColdKeyboard> fenugrec: Apparantley a lot of people had the same issue with HAL, and most of them either switched to DMA or abbandoned HAL. :\
2016-12-25T21:45:34 < fenugrec> I guess most people trying to use HAL try to get away without using the ref man, too
2016-12-25T21:46:17 < Steffanx> Yeah,  better base all your code on examples.
2016-12-25T21:46:34 < ColdKeyboard> I find some of the ref manuals confusing, especialy one for HAL. It just looks like doxxygen saved as PDF...
2016-12-25T21:46:39 < Steffanx> Which then turn out to be wrong, and you run into some weird race conditions because they made a mistake.
2016-12-25T21:47:06 < fenugrec> I meant, the IC ref manual. The HAL docs, as you see, are junk
2016-12-25T21:47:11 < Lambda-Aurigae> HAL being a Hardware Abstraction Librry?
2016-12-25T21:47:16 < ColdKeyboard> yes
2016-12-25T21:47:16 < Steffanx> Yes.
2016-12-25T21:48:28 < Steffanx> Thorn, I don't want you to measure something, was just curious if you tried it in a tiny uA range.
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2016-12-25T21:58:16 < kakimir> if there code visualizer for cases when you first code and then plan?
2016-12-25T21:58:37 < kakimir> something that creates flow charts from C code
2016-12-25T21:58:52 < Lambda-Aurigae> hmm...the HAL seems to be for the stm32f4xxx series...I don't have any of those.
2016-12-25T21:59:03 < Steffanx> Someone linked to something like that a few days ago iirc kakimir
2016-12-25T21:59:19 < Steffanx> Don't remember who it was.
2016-12-25T22:00:01 < kakimir> guilty should voice himself now
2016-12-25T22:00:37  * Lambda-Aurigae is guilty of many things but not that.
2016-12-25T22:00:57 < fenugrec> Lambda-Aurigae there's a HAL for other series too
2016-12-25T22:01:18 < fenugrec> kakimir doxygen + graphviz
2016-12-25T22:01:25 < kakimir> are you new here Lambda-Aurigae ?
2016-12-25T22:01:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> kakimir, yeah..
2016-12-25T22:01:40 < Lambda-Aurigae> fenugrec, aahh...haven't found it for the stm32f103 yet.
2016-12-25T22:02:01 < Steffanx> Did they persuade you into using keil yet Lambda-Aurigae?
2016-12-25T22:02:07 < Lambda-Aurigae> they tried
2016-12-25T22:02:11 < Lambda-Aurigae> it won't run on my computer.
2016-12-25T22:02:15 < kakimir> you seem like an old irccer Lambda-Aurigae 
2016-12-25T22:02:28 < Lambda-Aurigae> I am...over 20 years on irc.
2016-12-25T22:03:03 < Lambda-Aurigae> just new to arm and stm32
2016-12-25T22:03:24 < Lambda-Aurigae> got my chips friday but still reading datasheets and appnotes and such.
2016-12-25T22:14:07 < kakimir> fenugrec: sounds laborous
2016-12-25T22:14:12 < kakimir> but installed them
2016-12-25T22:14:52 < kakimir> I wonder if there was something like almost real time that when you code flow chart is open in another tab and you check code branches how it should
2016-12-25T22:15:55 < Lambda-Aurigae> used to do it the other way around with a couple of different UML modeling apps.
2016-12-25T22:16:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> draw the flow charts/uml models and get code generated on the fly for it.
2016-12-25T22:18:51 < fenugrec> cscope might do it too
2016-12-25T22:19:01 < fenugrec> never tried tho
2016-12-25T22:19:13 < Thorn> Steffanx: I've tried it to measure the current at which a 5mm led is barely visible. iirc it had no problems around 300-500nA
2016-12-25T22:20:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> looks like quite a few code to flowchart applications out there.
2016-12-25T22:23:44 < Thorn> the resolution is 10nA iirc
2016-12-25T22:24:15 <@englishman> 3:02 PM <Lambda-Aurigae> it won't run on my computer.
2016-12-25T22:24:22 <@englishman> wow how old is your computer
2016-12-25T22:24:31 < BrainDamage> loonix
2016-12-25T22:24:42 <@englishman> oh, so itl run, but he doesn't want to run it
2016-12-25T22:24:54 < Steffanx> Power pc..
2016-12-25T22:25:11 <@englishman> merry stmas Steffanx 
2016-12-25T22:25:31 < Steffanx> Same to you mr englishman.
2016-12-25T22:25:42 <@englishman> Thorn: maybe try to measure current into ws2812 signal pin :-) 
2016-12-25T22:26:46 < Lambda-Aurigae> englishman, 5 months old i7 with 12GB of ram.
2016-12-25T22:26:52 < Lambda-Aurigae> but I don't run windows.
2016-12-25T22:26:57 < Thorn> that's unlikely to be >10nA
2016-12-25T22:27:02 <@englishman> right, so it works fine
2016-12-25T22:27:03 < Steffanx> VM it.
2016-12-25T22:27:16 < Lambda-Aurigae> that would require installing windows in the vm
2016-12-25T22:27:26 < Steffanx> Easy task.
2016-12-25T22:27:36 < Lambda-Aurigae> only if you own a copy...or pirate a copy.
2016-12-25T22:27:43 <@englishman> I fail to see the issue
2016-12-25T22:27:46 < Steffanx> Get a IE Test vm, they are free :P
2016-12-25T22:28:02 < Laurenceb_> http://images.ads.supplyframe.com/c6ee0aa631a15dd854dcff3244abfb79.jpg
2016-12-25T22:28:07 < Lambda-Aurigae> I refuse to run windows on my computers...it's a personal choice.
2016-12-25T22:28:23 <@englishman> so this
2016-12-25T22:28:24 < Lambda-Aurigae> Laurenceb_, yeah, microchip bought atmel months ago.
2016-12-25T22:28:25 <@englishman> 3:02 PM <Lambda-Aurigae> it won't run on my computer.
2016-12-25T22:28:26 < Steffanx> My adblocker blocks that page Lambda-Aurigae
2016-12-25T22:28:29 < Steffanx> *Laurenceb_
2016-12-25T22:28:32 <@englishman> is just completely false then
2016-12-25T22:28:51 < Lambda-Aurigae> it will run on the hardware but won't run on the operating system installed.
2016-12-25T22:28:56 < Lambda-Aurigae> better?
2016-12-25T22:29:15 < Steffanx> Better.. 
2016-12-25T22:29:24 < Lambda-Aurigae> ultimately, no, I won't be using keil.
2016-12-25T22:29:57 < Lambda-Aurigae> I have a command line dev environment installed...at least, stlink and gcc.
2016-12-25T22:34:12 < Steffanx> Such useless discussion, but .. yet we had it again :D
2016-12-25T22:34:20 < Steffanx> Does mr Lambda-Aurigae EE for a living?
2016-12-25T22:34:43 < Lambda-Aurigae> electronics, microcontrollers, and robotics is a hobby.
2016-12-25T22:34:51 < Steffanx> Ach so.
2016-12-25T22:35:06 < Lambda-Aurigae> I am a xerox software/hardware analyst.
2016-12-25T22:36:49 < Thorn> why the fuck is the ws2812 quiescent current so high btw
2016-12-25T22:37:30 < Steffanx> Working on those huge printer/folding whatever lines Lambda-Aurigae?
2016-12-25T22:37:41 < Lambda-Aurigae> mostly the office level machines really.
2016-12-25T22:37:59 < Lambda-Aurigae> I do a lot of installs.  
2016-12-25T22:38:11 < Lambda-Aurigae> I fix a lot of issues.
2016-12-25T22:38:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> when there is a problem that nobody else can figure out, they call me in.
2016-12-25T22:38:41 < Lambda-Aurigae> I cover pretty much all of Iowa.
2016-12-25T22:39:14 < Lambda-Aurigae> and support other analysts across Iowa and Illinois...and soon Nebraska if things go right.
2016-12-25T22:39:53 < BrainDamage> i have a problem i can't figure out, how can i effectively make the printing industry stop adopting the freebie business model?
2016-12-25T22:40:03 < Lambda-Aurigae> hehe.
2016-12-25T22:40:09 < Lambda-Aurigae> above my pay grade.
2016-12-25T22:40:27 < Lambda-Aurigae> I'm still trying to get Xerox to actually write stable code for their copiers.
2016-12-25T22:41:43 < Lambda-Aurigae> they seem to be following the microsoft model of software development
2016-12-25T22:42:00 < Lambda-Aurigae> write something and throw it out there and hope it works...then fix it if enough people complain long enough.
2016-12-25T22:42:13 < Steffanx> freebie business model BrainDamage?
2016-12-25T22:43:10 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: undersell the price of a fixed good and surcharge consumables in order to ensure permanent high profits
2016-12-25T22:43:26 < BrainDamage> aka cheap printers, ink more expensive than blood
2016-12-25T22:43:34 < Lambda-Aurigae> sell for 10% under cost and make up for it in quantity.
2016-12-25T22:43:43 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebie_marketing
2016-12-25T22:44:00 < Steffanx> Hah, i decided to ask first, then google. :P
2016-12-25T22:44:02 < Lambda-Aurigae> actually, Xerox laser printers tend to be cheaper to run than HP.
2016-12-25T22:44:19 < Lambda-Aurigae> xerox solid ink machines, however, are crap.
2016-12-25T22:44:35 < Lambda-Aurigae> I'm one of 3 people in this state trained on them.
2016-12-25T22:44:37 < Lambda-Aurigae> unfortunately.
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2016-12-25T22:44:55 < Steffanx> Hehe, they should be glad you arent their sales guy.
2016-12-25T22:45:03 < Lambda-Aurigae> hehe
2016-12-25T22:45:13 < Lambda-Aurigae> i used to do sharp.
2016-12-25T22:45:20 < Lambda-Aurigae> but sharp screwed us over 
2016-12-25T22:45:29 < Lambda-Aurigae> and the owners sold the company to xerox.
2016-12-25T22:45:38 < Lambda-Aurigae> so, now I get to fuck with xerox.
2016-12-25T22:45:56 < Lambda-Aurigae> but I get plenty of cheap/free bits-n-pieces
2016-12-25T22:46:56 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: and they have to adopt shady monopolistic practices in order to keep it, because othewise competitors destoy their profit margins
2016-12-25T22:46:59 < Lambda-Aurigae> boss gives me free run of the junk pile to harvest for parts.
2016-12-25T22:47:44 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: hence why eg ink cartdriges with chips, or even the chips committing seppuku if they detect a refill
2016-12-25T22:48:06 < fenugrec> heh, still operating two 1992 vintage LJ 4+ with 10M ethernet cards Wish they still made them like that
2016-12-25T22:48:37 < Lambda-Aurigae> fenugrec, hp lj8150 here.
2016-12-25T22:48:42 < Lambda-Aurigae> based on the lj5si frame.
2016-12-25T22:49:36 < BrainDamage> i can't wait when they'll invent the razor drm
2016-12-25T22:49:56 < Lambda-Aurigae> 3 million pages on it..only thing I've ever done is replace the toner, rebuild the fuser once, and replace the tray feed rollers twice.
2016-12-25T22:50:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> BrainDamage, got a solution for that already I do I do!
2016-12-25T22:50:16 < Lambda-Aurigae> I don't shave.
2016-12-25T22:50:31 < Lambda-Aurigae> just use my hair clippers to cut my hair and beard every 2 weeks.
2016-12-25T22:52:04 < Lambda-Aurigae> fenugrec, that lj4 frame was one of the most robust printers ever made.  the lj5si frame beats it but not by much.
2016-12-25T22:52:18 < BrainDamage> if i don't shave regularry my face gets untollerably itchy, not to mention, unlike the average irc user, i try to maintain a decent standard of personal grooming
2016-12-25T22:53:03 < fenugrec> fenugrec yea LJ4 have their quirks but man, real tanks. Lambda-Aurigae got any plugs for quality HPLJ parts ? I need feed rollers too
2016-12-25T22:53:17 < Lambda-Aurigae> ebay
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2016-12-25T22:53:50 < Lambda-Aurigae> it's where I get mine....cheaper than even buying them from work where I get parts at 10% over cost.
2016-12-25T22:53:55 < fenugrec> bleh, but it figures
2016-12-25T22:54:06 < Lambda-Aurigae> unless I rip them out of old machines in the bone pile.
2016-12-25T22:54:36 < Lambda-Aurigae> you might check out local copier/printer repair shops and see if they will let you haul off their old junk machines.
2016-12-25T22:54:54 < fenugrec> right
2016-12-25T22:55:11 < Lambda-Aurigae> we pay a guy to come once a month to haul off the old stuff we don't want.
2016-12-25T22:55:45 < Lambda-Aurigae> I usually go in on the weekend before and harvest.
2016-12-25T22:56:45 < Lambda-Aurigae> right now my truck is full of old 9pin impact printers that are going to get harvested to make 3D printers and 3D milling machines.
2016-12-25T22:58:45 < fenugrec> impact printers... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG8RAbWs1yo
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2016-12-25T22:59:21 < fenugrec> ours didn't sound nearly as awesome though
2016-12-25T22:59:47 < Lambda-Aurigae> yes...what people often call dot matrix printers.
2016-12-25T23:00:01 < Lambda-Aurigae> but laser and inkjet devices are also dot matrix printers...just not impact matrix printers.
2016-12-25T23:07:51 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol. i got an email from the jizz gel vendor. they shipped my order and sent me an email to give me the tracking number and delivery estimate. but then they went on a 2 paragraph tirade about how if i leave negative feedback they will refuse to help me at all.
2016-12-25T23:09:22 < Spirit532> Lambda-Aurigae, impact printers are actual impact printers
2016-12-25T23:09:29 < Spirit532> that impact a typeset font
2016-12-25T23:09:50 < Spirit532> dot matrix printers are called dot matrix because their heads have a set of pins that can punch out any font or graphic you wish
2016-12-25T23:10:15 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWQyQmjjqiw
2016-12-25T23:10:18 < Spirit532> see that :^)
2016-12-25T23:12:53 < Lambda-Aurigae> but laser printers print in a matrix of dots, laid out as a set of laser dots.
2016-12-25T23:13:03 < Lambda-Aurigae> and inkjets print with ink dots.
2016-12-25T23:16:11 < Lambda-Aurigae> and I repaired hundreds of 9pin and 32pin printers in the day.
2016-12-25T23:26:41 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/07bafe8d8d4e4441bdd24f691dab1853?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=5f4422b725e635b622f36bb9019c5a6b
2016-12-25T23:27:43 < BrainDamage> it's the christmas spirit
2016-12-25T23:28:04 < BrainDamage> but probably fake
2016-12-25T23:28:18 < BrainDamage> nobody is that idiotic that wouldn't see the hook would only go one way
2016-12-25T23:29:07 < ohsix> bollox
2016-12-25T23:29:20 < ohsix> upgrdman: haha nice
2016-12-25T23:31:13 < ohsix> 'dear friend' is the 'bless your heart' of china
2016-12-25T23:31:49 < Lambda-Aurigae> BrainDamage, human stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
2016-12-25T23:32:21 < ohsix> A seller requests that you revise the original Feedback you left.
2016-12-25T23:32:24 < ohsix> hahah nope
2016-12-25T23:34:44 < ohsix> upgrdman: haven't got shipping email yet :\ hope it will be funneh
2016-12-25T23:35:56 < ohsix> ffff email filters are messing with mobile notifications, there are weeks of mail i had to deal with in here
2016-12-25T23:37:35 < Spirit532> Lambda-Aurigae, since you do printing(apparently?), got any Xaar 128 heads? :)
2016-12-25T23:38:31 <@englishman> BrainDamage: time to switch to safety razors and wet soap
2016-12-25T23:38:50 <@englishman> $1 for 5 blades that last longer than Gillette crap
2016-12-25T23:39:44 < Lambda-Aurigae> Spirit532, nope...we don't do thermals.
2016-12-25T23:39:51 < Spirit532> Xaar is piezo
2016-12-25T23:40:02 < Spirit532> ultra robust industrial piezo
2016-12-25T23:40:37 < Lambda-Aurigae> aahh
2016-12-25T23:40:40 < Lambda-Aurigae> we don't do those either.
2016-12-25T23:40:51 < Spirit532> 35V in, SPI, clock, and fire pin
2016-12-25T23:40:51 < Lambda-Aurigae> they looked like thermals but I didn't dig.
2016-12-25T23:40:55 < Spirit532> really cool
2016-12-25T23:40:59 < Spirit532> but fucking expensive
2016-12-25T23:41:05 < Spirit532> up to $300/head
2016-12-25T23:42:43 < Lambda-Aurigae> ouch.
2016-12-25T23:43:00 < Lambda-Aurigae> I need to do some inkjet cartridge hand printers again.
2016-12-25T23:43:03 < Spirit532> I think they're the only print head in the world that has a somewhat obtainable datasheet.
2016-12-25T23:43:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> made a bunch of them back about 10 years ago or so.
2016-12-25T23:43:26 < Spirit532> as in, the only printhead in the world you can use with a microcontroller without raping your brain
2016-12-25T23:44:07 < Lambda-Aurigae> I just got hold of several older zebra label printers...those are fun to hack up.
2016-12-25T23:44:22 < Lambda-Aurigae> thermal with a ribbon.
2016-12-25T23:44:29 < Spirit532> wat
2016-12-25T23:44:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> tried printing straight to PCB..
2016-12-25T23:44:31 < Spirit532> how do you
2016-12-25T23:44:36 < Spirit532> no, nono, explain
2016-12-25T23:44:42 < Spirit532> how the fuck do you thermal with a ribbon
2016-12-25T23:44:45 < Lambda-Aurigae> printed fine...etched fine...but the resolution is crap.
2016-12-25T23:44:53 < Lambda-Aurigae> wax covered ribbon.
2016-12-25T23:45:23 < Spirit532> wuuuuut
2016-12-25T23:45:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> ribbon between the head and the label...heat and it sticks to the label instead of the plastic ribbon.
2016-12-25T23:45:31 < Spirit532> .-.
2016-12-25T23:45:47 < Spirit532> that's like the disadvantages of thermal combined with the disadvantages of ribbon
2016-12-25T23:46:03 < Lambda-Aurigae> yeah.
2016-12-25T23:46:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> they are used a lot in commercial label printing.
2016-12-25T23:46:22 < Lambda-Aurigae> used to be used for printing airline boarding passes...
2016-12-25T23:46:26 < Spirit532> ribbon dot matrix if you want it to last forever
2016-12-25T23:46:31 < Lambda-Aurigae> I used to work on those things.
2016-12-25T23:46:32 < Spirit532> inkjet/thermal if you want speed and cost
2016-12-25T23:46:51 < Lambda-Aurigae> the zebra printers are pretty fast overall and great print quality.
2016-12-25T23:47:05 < Spirit532> I think that's the only reason banks and high-up institions still use dot matrix printers
2016-12-25T23:47:10 < Spirit532> the documents don't age within months
2016-12-25T23:47:35 < Lambda-Aurigae> the ones printed with the thermal wax ribbon don't age.
2016-12-25T23:47:47 < Lambda-Aurigae> not like regular thermal paper does.
2016-12-25T23:48:06 < Lambda-Aurigae> banks around here are switching to laser devices.
2016-12-25T23:48:15 < Lambda-Aurigae> that's how I'm getting all the old impact printers.
2016-12-25T23:48:16 < Spirit532> laser lasts
2016-12-25T23:48:20 < Spirit532> you're melting plastic onto porous paper
2016-12-25T23:48:27 < Lambda-Aurigae> laser is plastic print after all.
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2016-12-25T23:48:39 < Lambda-Aurigae> pvc or polyester, depending on the manufacturer.
2016-12-25T23:50:02 < Spirit532> to me it's all BLACK SHIT THAT GETS EVERYWHERE
2016-12-25T23:50:06 < Spirit532> of which I have a rather sizeable bottle
2016-12-25T23:50:07 < Lambda-Aurigae> hehe
2016-12-25T23:50:18 < Lambda-Aurigae> toner makes an awesome FAE too.
2016-12-25T23:50:24 < ohsix> gah there are mails back to 2015 in here
2016-12-25T23:50:28 < Lambda-Aurigae> FAE=fuel air explosive
2016-12-25T23:50:51 < Lambda-Aurigae> highly flammable and finer than grain dust.
2016-12-25T23:50:55 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/jk925khatp5y.jpg
2016-12-25T23:51:13 < BrainDamage> englishman: i always use wet soap, and own a shavette too, but it's too slow for a regular shave except in the weekends, so i use a cartdrige razor, i have tried a double edge safety razor but i don't find it faster than my straighrazor
2016-12-25T23:51:18 < Spirit532> Lambda-Aurigae, I want to use it for laser sintering
2016-12-25T23:51:19 < Lambda-Aurigae> upgrdman, agreed.
2016-12-25T23:51:22 < Spirit532> it's so fine and PURE BLACK
2016-12-25T23:51:24 < Lambda-Aurigae> Spirit532, hehe..me too.
2016-12-25T23:51:28 < Spirit532> so it can soak up lasers like a sponge
2016-12-25T23:51:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> have done some testing actually.
2016-12-25T23:51:35 < Spirit532> so have I!
2016-12-25T23:51:39 < Spirit532> I have a little poo-looking thing.
2016-12-25T23:51:48 < Lambda-Aurigae> using blueray laser.
2016-12-25T23:51:57 < Spirit532> I have a 2.8W 455nm laser
2016-12-25T23:52:02 < Lambda-Aurigae> basically I want to make a mini candyfab 
2016-12-25T23:52:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> only using laser and toner rather than hot air and sugar.
2016-12-25T23:52:12 < Spirit532> that's some awful-tasting candy you're going for
2016-12-25T23:52:35 < Spirit532> yeah, that's plastic SLS
2016-12-25T23:52:36 < Lambda-Aurigae> similar design.
2016-12-25T23:52:39 < Spirit532> selective laser sintering
2016-12-25T23:53:01 < Spirit532> the most common(and cheapest commercial) material for it is PA650 nylon
2016-12-25T23:53:04 < Lambda-Aurigae> spreading and smoothing the toner is a bitch though because it is so fine.
2016-12-25T23:53:07 < Spirit532> but it's a biiiiiiiiitch to sinter
2016-12-25T23:53:17 < Spirit532> nylon is the king of SLS materials
2016-12-25T23:53:22 < Spirit532> it's the best, but hardest to make work
2016-12-25T23:53:26 < Laurenceb_> DO NOT watch A Serbian Film. If you're thinking "hur hur weak-ass nerds and 'controversial' movies hurhurhur i can do it," YOU ARE MOST LIKELY WRONG. Faces of Death is like Sesame Street. Martyrs is Barney. Human Centipede 2? You may as well be watching Mr. Roger's Neighborhood. 
2016-12-25T23:53:30 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-12-25T23:53:38 < Lambda-Aurigae> xerox toner is polyester...melts at a lower temp than other toners.
2016-12-25T23:53:43 < Lambda-Aurigae> most others are pvc
2016-12-25T23:53:43 < Spirit532> the reason I haven't made a printer with toner is because toner is really, really, really fucking messy
2016-12-25T23:53:51 < Spirit532> a single sneeze will cover your room for a year
2016-12-25T23:54:01 < Lambda-Aurigae> try picking it up with a shop vac
2016-12-25T23:54:05 < Lambda-Aurigae> yes, a customer did it once.
2016-12-25T23:54:23 < Spirit532> I imagine that went through the shop vac with flying colors
2016-12-25T23:54:26 < Spirit532> both puns intended
2016-12-25T23:54:32 < Lambda-Aurigae> I did it on purpose....with a shop vac, 2 cups of toner, and 200 feet of power cord....inside a small 10x10 wooden shed.
2016-12-25T23:54:47 < Spirit532> set it out in the sun afterwards
2016-12-25T23:54:50 < Lambda-Aurigae> leveled the shed
2016-12-25T23:54:52 < Spirit532> lol
2016-12-25T23:55:04 < Lambda-Aurigae> as I said, makes one hell of an FAE
2016-12-25T23:55:13 < Spirit532> oh.
2016-12-25T23:55:19 < Spirit532> right, brushes make sparks...
2016-12-25T23:55:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> yup.
2016-12-25T23:55:28 < Spirit532> rip
2016-12-25T23:57:01 < Lambda-Aurigae> even your average office vacuum won't work well for toner...goes right through the filters and bags.
2016-12-25T23:59:15 < Lambda-Aurigae> that's why they make toner vacs
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2016-12-26T00:00:50 < Lambda-Aurigae> 12 stage filter and all.
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2016-12-26T00:14:42 < ohsix> where are these people coming from
2016-12-26T00:15:12 < ohsix> now even i'm concerned about the lack of stm32 talk
2016-12-26T00:16:05 < Lambda-Aurigae> I'm reading stm32 datasheets and appnotes.
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2016-12-26T00:23:20 <@englishman> BrainDamage: straight razor is pretty nice
2016-12-26T00:27:25 < ohsix> my paypal account is almost old enough to drink
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2016-12-26T00:31:26 < ohsix> dang
2016-12-26T00:33:17 < ohsix> almost a year since dongs pooped in my cereal
2016-12-26T00:34:26 < Spirit532> Lambda-Aurigae, got any friends that work with industrial/large printers?
2016-12-26T00:34:53 < Spirit532> I'm really desparate for a Xaar 128/40 or 128/80, but I can't justify spending over ~$80-100 on it
2016-12-26T00:34:58 < Lambda-Aurigae> friends, no...coworkers, a couple...pretty much xerox though.
2016-12-26T00:35:15 < Spirit532> xerox doesn't use xaar :(
2016-12-26T00:35:20 < Lambda-Aurigae> nope.
2016-12-26T00:35:28 < Spirit532> they did develop the Xerox Colorgrafx technology
2016-12-26T00:35:32 < Spirit532> :)
2016-12-26T00:35:32 < Lambda-Aurigae> laser and solid ink...some liquid ink.
2016-12-26T00:35:55 < Lambda-Aurigae> we don't do any liquid ink stuff ourselves...we are mostly office level technology.
2016-12-26T00:36:05 < Spirit532> xaar is print and industry(marking)
2016-12-26T00:36:15 < Spirit532> it shits ink onto anything you put under it
2016-12-26T00:36:17 < Spirit532> perfectly
2016-12-26T00:37:06 < Lambda-Aurigae> fun fun.
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2016-12-26T00:37:14 < Lambda-Aurigae> bit more than anything we deal with.
2016-12-26T00:37:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> our gear prints on paper...cardstock at most.
2016-12-26T00:37:43 < Spirit532> there's the HP45 print head, but it's thermal
2016-12-26T00:37:46 < Spirit532> kinda useless for anything 3D
2016-12-26T00:37:55 < Spirit532> really simple to use, aside from the huge number of pogo pins you need
2016-12-26T00:37:58 < Spirit532> (51)
2016-12-26T00:38:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> hehe.
2016-12-26T00:38:49 < Spirit532> as in, thermal jet
2016-12-26T00:39:53 < Lambda-Aurigae> 10 years back there was a website that did a pic microcontroller and an inkjet cartridge.
2016-12-26T00:39:55 < Lambda-Aurigae> hand printer.
2016-12-26T00:40:07 < Lambda-Aurigae> would print on about any surface, including beer foam.
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2016-12-26T00:40:18 < Spirit532> there's an arduino shield for shitty print heads
2016-12-26T00:40:25 < Lambda-Aurigae> ewwww.
2016-12-26T00:40:27 < Spirit532> they look worse than a kid drawing.
2016-12-26T00:40:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> hehe.
2016-12-26T00:40:31 < Lambda-Aurigae> yeah.
2016-12-26T00:40:49 < Spirit532> the HP45 is at least with some formidable resolution and nozzle count
2016-12-26T00:40:53 < Spirit532> but not perfect
2016-12-26T00:41:24 < Spirit532> the guy who made the "Plan B" binder printer is the guy who hacked the HP45 head
2016-12-26T00:41:38 < Spirit532> http://ytec3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28
2016-12-26T00:41:41 < Spirit532> 26 pages of info
2016-12-26T00:43:13 < kakimir> there is that water thing where you can trasfer photo to object
2016-12-26T00:43:25 < Spirit532> yes
2016-12-26T00:43:37 < Spirit532> but it's entirely not what either of us want
2016-12-26T00:43:59 < Spirit532> the idea here is to jet inks/binders/polymers/what have you precisely
2016-12-26T00:44:01 < Spirit532> not to paint pretty.
2016-12-26T00:49:00 < kakimir> I wonder how that works as the surface is like robust and stuff
2016-12-26T00:49:34 < Spirit532> which one?
2016-12-26T00:49:42 < Spirit532> wet transfer or inkjet?
2016-12-26T00:50:02 < kakimir> wt transfer
2016-12-26T00:50:32 < Spirit532> it just sticks
2016-12-26T00:57:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> and laminar flow of the ink...get a dead straight shot.
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2016-12-26T01:21:55 < ohsix> butt flow
2016-12-26T01:26:07 < ohsix> woof, george michael died
2016-12-26T01:27:22 < Lambda-Aurigae> name is vaguely familiar.
2016-12-26T01:27:25 < Lambda-Aurigae> but can't place it.
2016-12-26T01:27:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> singer?
2016-12-26T01:27:53 < Fleck> google? :D
2016-12-26T01:28:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> just did.
2016-12-26T01:28:29 < Lambda-Aurigae> still...singer.
2016-12-26T01:28:33 < Lambda-Aurigae> beyond that, no clue.
2016-12-26T01:29:25 < Lambda-Aurigae> not pre-80 country, so, no clue.
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2016-12-26T01:36:19 < ohsix> https://vine.co/v/OMqDr7r0bKI
2016-12-26T01:36:43 < ohsix> Fleck: who are these people, are they inlaws, will they be gone after the holidays
2016-12-26T01:36:53 < Lambda-Aurigae> old.
2016-12-26T01:37:53 < Fleck> ohsix: whaat?
2016-12-26T01:38:19 < Fleck> ohsix: better help me fix this issue I have :D
2016-12-26T01:41:16 < Fleck> ha
2016-12-26T01:41:20 < Fleck> I think I got it ;P
2016-12-26T01:42:04 < Fleck> Yep! Stereo! Yay!
2016-12-26T01:42:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> what was it?
2016-12-26T01:43:13 < Fleck> CODEC_AudioFrame_SLOT_TDMMode :D
2016-12-26T01:43:36 < Lambda-Aurigae> stereo vs mono mode?
2016-12-26T01:44:09 < Fleck> CODEC_SLOT0 Left | CODEC_SLOT1 Left | CODEC_SLOT0 Right  | CODEC_SLOT1 Right
2016-12-26T01:44:39 < Fleck> To have an audio stream in headphone only SAI Slot 0 and Slot 2 must be activated
2016-12-26T01:44:52 < Lambda-Aurigae> aahh
2016-12-26T01:46:48 < Fleck> and def is   haudio_out_sai.SlotInit.SlotActive = CODEC_AUDIOFRAME_SLOT_0123;
2016-12-26T01:47:34 < Fleck> meaning 4 diff streams on all 4 chans, but, I was using 2chan PCM
2016-12-26T01:50:14 < Fleck> (reason why I had to use 22K instead of 44K, while my PCM data was 44K)
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2016-12-26T03:05:30 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ButtCoin
2016-12-26T03:12:08 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzmHReDVIAA0bh5.jpg:large
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2016-12-26T05:17:47 < ColdKeyboard> You cannot have holidays without Die Hard and Home Alone
2016-12-26T05:30:24 < Laurenceb_> cybrmatrix
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2016-12-26T06:20:57 < ColdKeyboard> What is the deal with RTC and HAL? It seems that MX_RTC_Init() is keeping it in halt?
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2016-12-26T06:32:43 < fenugrec> Very nice. "*pFLMCR &= !FLMCR_PSU;"  was meant to be " = ~FLMCR_PSU;"
2016-12-26T06:33:09 < fenugrec> damn weird behaviour it caused, too. Moron.
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2016-12-26T07:10:08 < ColdKeyboard> How do I set RTC to run using HAL? No matter what I do it's always set-up and initialized but not running :\
2016-12-26T07:11:55 < boB_K7IQ> Clock source is good ?
2016-12-26T07:12:28 < ColdKeyboard> It is set to PC14 and PC15 that has 32.768KHz on it
2016-12-26T07:12:43 < ColdKeyboard> Is it always running by default? (except when in initialization)
2016-12-26T07:13:03 < boB_K7IQ> Don't know
2016-12-26T07:13:28 < boB_K7IQ> Checked PC14/15 for clock signal on scope ?
2016-12-26T07:13:45 < boB_K7IQ> Is that a crystal at 32.768 ?
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2016-12-26T07:14:20 < ColdKeyboard> I'm using Nucleo board, so I'm guessing crystal should be good. However I don't have scope at hand right now :)
2016-12-26T07:14:49 < boB_K7IQ> Ahh OK
2016-12-26T07:14:55 < boB_K7IQ> Yes. should be good
2016-12-26T07:17:27 < boB_K7IQ> Which STM32 is it ?
2016-12-26T07:17:45 < ColdKeyboard> STM32F072
2016-12-26T07:18:24 < boB_K7IQ> What register did you check for running ?  Seconds or something ?
2016-12-26T07:19:18 < ColdKeyboard> Yes, I tried reading the time. It always reads the time that I initialy set during the set-up
2016-12-26T07:22:20 < fenugrec> ColdKeyboard enabled the RTC periph clock ?
2016-12-26T07:25:16 < ColdKeyboard> I think HAL is taking care of that, I'll double check
2016-12-26T07:25:22 < boB_K7IQ> free running mode ?
2016-12-26T07:25:43 < boB_K7IQ> in initialization mode
2016-12-26T07:28:13 < fenugrec> heh I got my money on no periph clock, probably missing a HAL APB / AHB clockenable call
2016-12-26T07:29:19 < ColdKeyboard> I have this part after the RTC is initialized __HAL_RCC_RTC_ENABLE(); 
2016-12-26T07:32:04 < upgrdman> just looking into java8's lambdas. damn this'll clean up fucktons of code.
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2016-12-26T07:32:39 < upgrdman> seent it
2016-12-26T07:32:47 < upgrdman> unfunny
2016-12-26T07:32:51 < boB_K7IQ> complicated RTC bugger
2016-12-26T07:33:52 < ColdKeyboard> Okay, I got it to work now. But why would it stop after I read time?
2016-12-26T07:34:12 < boB_K7IQ> Some bit option setting ?
2016-12-26T07:34:14 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/EhwDS7M
2016-12-26T07:34:47 < upgrdman> R2COM, this is much better  http://imgur.com/a/1wlhk
2016-12-26T07:35:26 < ColdKeyboard> I guess you have to read Time&Date, not jsut date
2016-12-26T07:36:07 < upgrdman> R2COM, come on comrade. don't show weakness in front of the americans!
2016-12-26T07:36:48 < upgrdman> :)
2016-12-26T07:37:03 < upgrdman> R2COM, how's this to cheer you up. iranian army fail:  https://gfycat.com/SoggyTornAfricanfisheagle
2016-12-26T07:38:06 < upgrdman> fuck if i know
2016-12-26T07:38:31 < ColdKeyboard> Alright, Reading Time&Date instead of just Time solves the RTC issue :)
2016-12-26T07:39:45 < upgrdman> R2COM, hmmm, they'd use a black man's face instead?
2016-12-26T07:40:20 < fenugrec> ColdKeyboard so what was it ?
2016-12-26T07:40:35 < ColdKeyboard> Not reading date from RTC
2016-12-26T07:40:43 < fenugrec> "got it to work now"
2016-12-26T07:41:01 < fenugrec> o
2016-12-26T07:41:03 < ColdKeyboard> You have to read Time and Date. If you just read one of them and leave other unread, registers remain frozen
2016-12-26T07:41:08 < ColdKeyboard> TIL moment for me :)
2016-12-26T07:41:25 < fenugrec> heh
2016-12-26T07:45:27 < upgrdman> R2COM, well if you need lots of power, i'd go with a small (itx) desktop. but if you just need decent power, a high-end laptop + monitor should be fine
2016-12-26T07:45:30 < boB_K7IQ> Weird ColdKeyboard.  Learn something new all the time
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2016-12-26T07:46:24 < ColdKeyboard> R2COM: Nothing can replace good desktop with 3 monitors set-up. But right now I'm using laptop + external monitor and it's not that bad. :)
2016-12-26T07:46:55 < ColdKeyboard> boB_K7IQ: Yeap. But that's the whole point, if you don't learn something new every day, then you are doing something wrong. :)
2016-12-26T07:47:27 < upgrdman> R2COM, ya me too. that'd why i built my itx pc with a gtx1080
2016-12-26T07:50:00 < upgrdman> ya the one with musicians onboard?
2016-12-26T07:50:21 < upgrdman> thats a bummer. is it known why? pilot error? muslims?
2016-12-26T07:50:33 < ohsix> sup
2016-12-26T07:50:34 < dongs> jews
2016-12-26T07:50:37 < ohsix> people are dumb
2016-12-26T07:51:30 < dongs> was playing ~steam games~ on 4K TV
2016-12-26T07:51:35 < ohsix> did you play Doom yet upgrdman 
2016-12-26T07:51:52 < ColdKeyboard> On Her Majestys Secret Service is the shitties James Bond ever made...
2016-12-26T07:51:52 < upgrdman> ohsix, for like 2 minutes
2016-12-26T07:52:04 < upgrdman> ohsix, was fun. should play more. but been trying to be productive.
2016-12-26T07:52:09 < ohsix> werd
2016-12-26T07:52:10 < upgrdman> trying and failing. but trying
2016-12-26T07:52:23 < ohsix> ya it is fun, it will make you think a lot of other games you 'enjoyed' were not fun
2016-12-26T07:53:41 < dongs> ohsix cant afford games
2016-12-26T07:53:46 < dongs> so i guess zero
2016-12-26T07:53:50 < dongs> or abandonware trash
2016-12-26T07:55:24 < ohsix> oh no was your gamer-tude impugned by people saying Doom is exceptional
2016-12-26T07:56:30 < dongs> sadly ido
2016-12-26T07:56:42 < dongs> -!- Irssi: Uptime: 830d 23h 33m 58s
2016-12-26T07:56:53 < dongs> it works, i donno
2016-12-26T07:57:01 < dongs> i mean, i just chat
2016-12-26T07:57:13 < dongs> donno i dont irc from win10
2016-12-26T07:57:24 < upgrdman> ya, has win10 even been out for 830days?
2016-12-26T07:57:52 < ColdKeyboard> Using some kind of bouncer?
2016-12-26T07:57:56 < dongs> i upgraded an old trash laptop the other day
2016-12-26T07:58:00 < ColdKeyboard> Windows would update at least 830 times :)
2016-12-26T07:58:01 < dongs> from win7 to win10 for free
2016-12-26T07:58:08 < dongs> using that assistive upgrade thing
2016-12-26T07:58:15 < dongs> recommended, pro way to get win10 still
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2016-12-26T08:00:15 < ohsix> .
2016-12-26T08:00:23 < ohsix> that means dongs will have the format string bug
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2016-12-26T08:01:36 < upgrdman> any of you turds dicked with elementaryOS? is it just another flavor of niggerbuntu?
2016-12-26T08:09:05 < upgrdman> the elementryos installer crashed in vmware. fuck it. removing that bookmark, cant be fucked to care about this shit os.
2016-12-26T08:10:16 <@englishman> even worse waste of tiem than reddit = lunix
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2016-12-26T08:16:15 < dongs> im just installing negrobunto in vmware
2016-12-26T08:16:21 < dongs> looks like it found easy install
2016-12-26T08:16:23 < dongs> so I dont have to do anything
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2016-12-26T08:17:06 < dongs> upgrdman: running lunix on anything wiht a monitor is a waste of time
2016-12-26T08:17:10 < dongs> and waste of that monitor
2016-12-26T08:17:18 < upgrdman> lol
2016-12-26T08:17:42 < dongs> unless you get hard watching penguins on slow-scrolling textmode console each tiem it boots
2016-12-26T08:19:52 < dongs> damn that was an easy install
2016-12-26T08:19:59 < dongs> i didnt have to do anything
2016-12-26T08:20:04 < dongs> vmware is fucking pro
2016-12-26T08:24:43 < ohsix> penguins haven't been on the console for like 10 years
2016-12-26T08:25:25 < ohsix> upgrdman: are you installing random junk?
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2016-12-26T08:26:03 < ohsix> got shipping notice for jizz gel but no follow up
2016-12-26T08:27:11 < ohsix> went to facebook for something, sapped remaining life force, near death from cavalcade of uggos
2016-12-26T08:27:22 < ohsix> why couldn' ti just read a book
2016-12-26T08:30:08 < ohsix> https://github.com/c-cube/stimsym
2016-12-26T08:31:06 < upgrdman> ohsix, just cleaning up my bookmarks. i had a couple elementaryOS links in my "random shit that might be worth looking into some day"
2016-12-26T08:32:30 < ohsix> werd
2016-12-26T08:33:10 < ohsix> you might be surprised to find out a bunch of boobs spinning their own packages & themes for stuff when they don't really know what they're doing (or were advised by disagreement over something stupid) start doing it that other way
2016-12-26T08:33:23 < dongs> why would you even bookmark that
2016-12-26T08:33:52 < dongs> elemeentalos sounds like something made by this guy http://www.ulillillia.us/stories/10elementalmasters/home.shtml
2016-12-26T08:34:02 < upgrdman> dongs, it looked kinda pretty. wasnt sure if there was any substance behind it tho
2016-12-26T08:34:20 < dongs> trigger warning: he's even more of an autistic fuck than ohsix
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2016-12-26T08:40:16 < ohsix> farted this room into an antique store
2016-12-26T08:40:43 < ohsix> upgrdman: pretty looking is a facade :<
2016-12-26T08:40:52 < ohsix> OH WHEN I WAS YOUNGER
2016-12-26T08:41:14 <@englishman> cyanodongs is now dead, 18 month old lunix phones now completely abandoned
2016-12-26T08:42:00 < ohsix> upgrdman: there isn't much QA to go around, if you have a problem you're asymptotically approaching only relying on yourself to fix it
2016-12-26T08:42:51 < upgrdman> lol k
2016-12-26T08:43:06 < dongs> haha
2016-12-26T08:43:07 < dongs> ownt
2016-12-26T08:43:36 < ohsix> individual package author dudes are p. cool though, usually
2016-12-26T08:43:39 < ohsix> except for Transmission
2016-12-26T08:43:58 < ohsix> that guy is a paranoid who uses like 5 different personalities on his support tickets and forums and shit
2016-12-26T08:44:23 < ohsix> he sockpuppets bugz
2016-12-26T08:44:49 < ohsix> some helpful $distro maintainer filled me in and told me it was best to walk away
2016-12-26T08:46:49 < ohsix> have headache and feel maudlin, don't know wat 2 do
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2016-12-26T08:52:09 < ohsix> upgrdman: http://www.knightos.org/
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2016-12-26T08:52:41 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol
2016-12-26T08:53:12 < ohsix> noticably lacking from all these 3rd party firmwarez: math software
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2016-12-26T08:55:05 < ohsix> netpooped
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2016-12-26T09:03:54 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/_MOJOdojo_/status/812764726988046336
2016-12-26T09:04:23 < ohsix> upgrdman: did you do anything interesting for obligated gift and people you don't like day
2016-12-26T09:06:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, nope. visited family yesterday. today i just decided to clean up (home, hdd, bookmarks... all my disorganized shit ;) ) and then i had dinner at del taco since they were open
2016-12-26T09:06:41 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-26T09:06:48 < ohsix> that sounds like a good way to go
2016-12-26T09:07:13 < ohsix> i proposed a few years ago to have family meatup and gift stuff in the spring or sometime not horrible, nobody went for it
2016-12-26T09:07:16 < upgrdman> so far i've thrown out 3 bags of trash and 37GB of data
2016-12-26T09:07:22 < ohsix> even if we did both \m/
2016-12-26T09:07:24 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-26T09:07:29 < ohsix> i deleted a bunch of old email today
2016-12-26T09:14:28 < ohsix> ooo
2016-12-26T09:14:31 < ohsix> forgot about doctor who
2016-12-26T09:16:52 < ColdKeyboard> https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/15697759_10211810147435563_5128681820402743129_n.jpg?oh=d7d98579c351f0c43b9ba5d484575cd7&oe=58E80B95
2016-12-26T09:17:00 < ColdKeyboard> Lmao
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2016-12-26T09:59:01 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/9twGEB1
2016-12-26T10:02:35 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://imgur.com/a/osdvK
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2016-12-26T10:07:12 < upgrdman> neat  https://cryptocoding.net/index.php/Coding_rules
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2016-12-26T11:15:12 < Thorn> >Before connecting a NeoPixel strip to ANY source of power, we very strongly recommend adding a large capacitor (1000 µF, 6.3V or higher) across the + and – terminals. This prevents the initial onrush of current from damaging the pixels.
2016-12-26T11:15:30 < dongs> neodixel*tm)
2016-12-26T11:15:34 < dongs> fuck aidsfruit
2016-12-26T11:16:30 < Thorn> why would they limit inrush current witjh a cap
2016-12-26T11:16:54 < dongs> I heard it on the internet, so it must be true
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2016-12-26T11:24:35 < PaulFertser> Thorn: but it would limit inrush current (by raising the voltage slowly) plus it'll provide power supply filtering at the same time.
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2016-12-26T11:36:54 < Thorn> that's like turning off power by shorting it to ground because the voltage after a perfect short is 0
2016-12-26T11:41:54 < dongs> or
2016-12-26T11:41:59 < dongs> making a lunix desktop
2016-12-26T11:42:12 < dongs> ba dum ts
2016-12-26T11:46:06 < PaulFertser> Thorn: you know how small soviet motorbikes had their killswitch implemented? ;)
2016-12-26T11:47:03 < PaulFertser> Thorn: if they do not need a filtering cap, it's dumb indeed. But if it's used anyway, why not?
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2016-12-26T11:47:53 < Thorn> 0.1uF for each led != 1000uF at the beginning
2016-12-26T11:49:48 < PaulFertser> Probably that recommendation is good enough in practice for the target audience.
2016-12-26T12:01:33 < Kliment> The truth of it is that the neopixels are sensitive to rapid supply voltage swings
2016-12-26T12:02:04 < Kliment> Thus the cap
2016-12-26T12:03:01 < Kliment> Which reminds me, anyone tried driving them from a lower supply?
2016-12-26T12:03:41 < PaulFertser> Kliment: so why do not they add an inductor right there on the strip?
2016-12-26T12:04:51 < dongs> lower than what
2016-12-26T12:04:56 < Thorn> Kliment: yesterday I tried a ws2812b (+ a stm32 that was driving it) down to 2.5V, it is barely illuminated but still accepts commands
2016-12-26T12:05:08 < Flecks> what? Who did this? Who is responsible for this? :D
2016-12-26T12:05:10 < dongs> yeah it works fine at 3.3
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2016-12-26T12:05:49 < Kliment> Thorn: Cool, how is the current use?
2016-12-26T12:07:05 < Kliment> Thorn: Someone I know wanted to make a color-changing throwie, running off a 3V coiln cell
2016-12-26T12:08:02 < Thorn> Kliment: 7.31mA @ 2.5V and 255,255,255
2016-12-26T12:08:13 < Thorn> and it looks quite yellow
2016-12-26T12:08:23 < Kliment> Thorn: Okay, coin cell is out then :)
2016-12-26T12:08:44 < Kliment> Yeah the blue LED doesn't have enough Vf to trigger
2016-12-26T12:08:54 < Thorn> lower than 2.5V the channels start turning off and the stm32 drops off usb so I can't command it any more
2016-12-26T12:09:12 < Kliment> Wait, you get USB at 2.5V?
2016-12-26T12:09:23 < Kliment> I thought it wasn't supposed to work below 3.0
2016-12-26T12:10:22 < Thorn> right now I'm at 2.4V, the stm is still connected and processes transfer
2016-12-26T12:11:00 < Thorn> and the led turned off but doesn't want to turn on again
2016-12-26T12:11:19 < Kliment> Thorn: Nice
2016-12-26T12:12:21 < Thorn> apparently the lowest voltage at which led accepts commands is 2.5V
2016-12-26T12:14:06 < Thorn> @2.5V: off 0.395mA, full R 5.41mA, G 2.36mA, B 0.57mA, white 7.29mA
2016-12-26T12:16:43 < ohsix> Kliment: there are LEDs with builtin things to do color patterns and stuff
2016-12-26T12:16:59 < ohsix> throwies are a massive waste lul
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2016-12-26T12:17:02 < [7]> the thing with the cap and neopixels is probably a load dump voltage spike (supply cable inductance, especially if it's long)
2016-12-26T12:17:21 < ohsix> but now that you can get 10 cr2032's for a dollar and LEDs are free ...
2016-12-26T12:17:58 < ohsix> Kliment: also the LEDs themselves are large voltage swings, cap just helps hold the average when everything is flipping out
2016-12-26T12:19:11 < Kliment> ohsix: It's for some kind of festival
2016-12-26T12:19:37 < [7]> in my experience you'll see the color mix getting thrown off around 3.5V, and it also needs to support such low voltages given the fairly large voltage drop inside LED strips at full brightness
2016-12-26T12:20:04 < Kliment> Thorn: Does the command retransmit unit work at those voltages
2016-12-26T12:20:34 < [7]> Kliment: they *guarantee* USB connectivity under worst-case conditions at 3.0V, quite reasonable for it to still work in somewhat reasonable conditions at 2.5V ;)
2016-12-26T12:21:57 < Thorn> dunno, I only have 1 led on a breadboard :/ should have ordered a strip or something as well 
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2016-12-26T12:22:41 < Thorn> I'm tweaking the voltage and I see it getting visibly yellow @ ~3.1V
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2016-12-26T14:02:20 < bartekww> hey
2016-12-26T14:02:40 < bartekww> anyone tried sending dmx512 on stm32?
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2016-12-26T14:27:47 < dongs> yes
2016-12-26T14:28:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0Rb6782.jpg
2016-12-26T14:28:49 < kakimir> why?
2016-12-26T14:28:54 < dongs> i will be sending and receiving DMX with that
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2016-12-26T14:35:26 < kakimir> nice board
2016-12-26T14:46:46 < dongs> doesnt have SMA
2016-12-26T14:54:04 < Tectu> +1 for SD instead of microSD
2016-12-26T14:55:21 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0qrinhNnOM musics times
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2016-12-26T14:59:43 < kakimir> not bad for codings this type of musics
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2016-12-26T15:44:41 < kakimir> "%# 0*.*f", print_width, print_precision, number
2016-12-26T15:44:50 < kakimir> does that look legit at all?
2016-12-26T15:44:56 < kakimir> from printf parameters
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2016-12-26T15:50:05 < PaulFertser> How C++ template programming was changing over time and what it has to offer nowadays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_p9X5RzBJE
2016-12-26T15:51:28 < Lambda-Aurigae> PaulFertser, does that exist in a text format?
2016-12-26T15:52:21 < PaulFertser> Lambda-Aurigae: no idea but I can try to find the slides, do you want me to?
2016-12-26T15:52:46 < Lambda-Aurigae> would be easier to deal with than listening to someone else read them for an hour and a half.
2016-12-26T15:53:05 < Lambda-Aurigae> I could read the whole thing in 15 minutes and get more out of it.
2016-12-26T15:53:52 < PaulFertser> Lambda-Aurigae: proper talk is when slides help to understand what speaker is saying, not when he or she's just reading slides. 
2016-12-26T15:55:59 < Lambda-Aurigae> guess I've never been to a proper talk then
2016-12-26T15:56:24 < Lambda-Aurigae> I get much more out of reading than listening to a lecture.
2016-12-26T15:56:51 < PaulFertser> Lambda-Aurigae: http://www.meetingcpp.com/tl_files/mcpp/2016/Louis%20Dionne%20-%20c++%20metaprogramming%20-%20evolution%20and%20future%20directions.pdf
2016-12-26T15:58:44 < Lambda-Aurigae> thanks.
2016-12-26T15:58:56 < Emil> Lambda-Aurigae: you really have not listened to a proper talk, then :D
2016-12-26T15:59:18 < Emil> Lambda-Aurigae: slides are material that you build your presentation on
2016-12-26T15:59:19 < Lambda-Aurigae> it might have something to do with my psychological problems.
2016-12-26T15:59:24 < Emil> They are not the presentstion
2016-12-26T15:59:53 < Lambda-Aurigae> I don't like people.  I don't like talking to people.  I don't like listening to people.  But I love reading.
2016-12-26T16:00:24 < Lambda-Aurigae> hence, IRC
2016-12-26T16:00:35 < zyp> I'm with Lambda-Aurigae, I prefer reading over watching a talk, it's a lot more efficient
2016-12-26T16:00:42 < Emil> zyp: sure
2016-12-26T16:00:49 < Lambda-Aurigae> I taught myself to speed read in 4th grade.
2016-12-26T16:00:58 < Emil> zyp: but slides are not the right thing to look at then
2016-12-26T16:01:01 < Lambda-Aurigae> and had a college level reading comprehension by 6th grade.
2016-12-26T16:01:06 < zyp> Emil, agreed
2016-12-26T16:02:03 < Emil> Watching a lecture, I find it inefficient, too. You have to be there to appreciate it and even then know you have the time to listen to the lecture
2016-12-26T16:02:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> but I have trouble focusing and concentrating on someone talking.
2016-12-26T16:02:37 < zyp> exactly, the advantage of listening to somebody talking is that you have interactivity, you can ask questions
2016-12-26T16:02:51 < Lambda-Aurigae> not on a youtube video you can't
2016-12-26T16:04:27 < Emil> Lambda-Aurigae: we know
2016-12-26T16:04:33 < zyp> that's my point
2016-12-26T16:04:58 < zyp> I don't mind watching a talk in person, but I don't have much interest in recordings
2016-12-26T16:06:08 < PaulFertser> These slides are good enough to serve as a guideline for future searches for a curious C++ programmer.
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2016-12-26T16:28:08 < dongs> https://blogs.microsoft.com/transform/perspective/adafruit-founder-and-engineer-limor-fried-if-things-could-talk-what-would-they-say/
2016-12-26T16:28:12 < dongs> lol aidsfruit
2016-12-26T16:29:26 < Laurenceb_> http://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Brexit_446e3a_5955703.jpg
2016-12-26T16:30:21 < Laurenceb_> microsoft?! LULWUT
2016-12-26T16:31:01 < Tectu> stop posting crap Laurenceb_ 
2016-12-26T16:35:42 < Fleck> that won't help Tectu
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2016-12-26T16:37:53 <@englishman> why isn't "engineer" in quotes or with a [citation needed] next to it
2016-12-26T16:39:33 < Tectu> Fleck yeah...
2016-12-26T16:53:20 < dongs>  from advanced users (▒pro-makers▒) using the low-cost Raspberry Pi in a production environment
2016-12-26T16:58:58 < dongs> all those $5000 shitty 3d pritners are using fucking rageberrypi
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2016-12-26T17:40:10 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: are poles like turkish are to germany?
2016-12-26T17:40:23 < kakimir> they took a few to build cars whatever
2016-12-26T17:41:17 < kakimir> then they started inviting their families in and reproduce in numbers?
2016-12-26T17:41:23 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-12-26T17:41:35 < kakimir> so stupid
2016-12-26T17:41:53 < Laurenceb_> dongs: all 3d printers for <~$100k seem to be shit
2016-12-26T17:42:06 < Laurenceb_> the 3d printer obsession is stupid
2016-12-26T17:42:24 < Laurenceb_> just sending your shit to a pro place with decent kit is much cheaper
2016-12-26T17:42:52 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: over half the stray cats round here are from poland :(
2016-12-26T17:44:09 < Laurenceb_>  "Tributes are paid to George Michael" < literally who
2016-12-26T17:44:23 < emeb_mac> you kids
2016-12-26T17:47:18 < Tectu> emeb_mac o/
2016-12-26T17:47:34 < emeb_mac> Tectu: hihi
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2016-12-26T17:52:06 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: they even bring their cat scum with them?
2016-12-26T17:53:10 < kakimir> and release them to perfectly balanced England nature!
2016-12-26T17:53:30 < zyp> Laurenceb_, idk, that formlabs thing looks fairly decent
2016-12-26T17:57:42 < dongs> haha
2016-12-26T17:57:43 < dongs> no.
2016-12-26T17:57:48 < dongs> my pal backed it on dickstartrer
2016-12-26T17:57:51 < Laurenceb_> zyp: SLA has really poor mechanical properties
2016-12-26T17:57:53 < dongs> it was trash in v1
2016-12-26T17:57:55 < dongs> they sent him v2
2016-12-26T17:57:57 < dongs> it was still trash
2016-12-26T17:58:02 < dongs> he spent like weeks on that shit
2016-12-26T17:58:06 < dongs> and havent made a single usable print
2016-12-26T17:58:24 < dongs> very unreliable, nearly impossible to print anything other than small simple thing
2016-12-26T17:58:35 < dongs> and with SLA if you fuckup even one layer the entier model is fucked
2016-12-26T17:58:49 < dongs> with FDM or whatever shit you can see the seam/crap but at least it'll somewhat work
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2016-12-26T18:00:38 < zyp> Laurenceb_, I thought SLA was supposed to have better adhesion between layers and thus better mechanical properties
2016-12-26T18:16:12 < dongs> zyp, do you own any buffalo dickstation network hdds
2016-12-26T18:16:34 < zyp> nah
2016-12-26T18:16:48 < zyp> why?
2016-12-26T18:17:17 < dongs> because i just fucking found a 4-5 years old one and went to what I THOUGHT was "just format the shit so I can start filling it with junk" menu
2016-12-26T18:17:21 < dongs> called "erase"...
2016-12-26T18:17:34 < dongs> it's been doing FOUR PASSES of filling with 0s/1s/0s/1/s each one taking 90 minutes
2016-12-26T18:17:41 < zyp> haha
2016-12-26T18:17:48 < dongs> nowhere in teh fucking interface did it warn me it was goign to take half a fucking day
2016-12-26T18:18:02 < dongs> all i wanted to do was fucking format it, what retarded fucking device god damn
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2016-12-26T18:18:05 < dongs> fucking japs.
2016-12-26T18:18:22 < Rob235> blah back in NJ, back to work...
2016-12-26T18:18:38 < Rob235> whats up guys
2016-12-26T18:19:09 < zyp> hmm, I bought some cheap buffalo network gear once, a switch and a wireless AP
2016-12-26T18:19:31 < zyp> when I plugged the powersupplies into norwegian power (230V) they started smoking
2016-12-26T18:19:52 < emeb_mac> lol
2016-12-26T18:20:21 < emeb_mac> can't handle strong norway power
2016-12-26T18:20:26 < dongs> nice
2016-12-26T18:20:30 < dongs> more jap garbage
2016-12-26T18:20:31 < zyp> that's the only SMPS AC adapters I've encountered that's done that
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2016-12-26T18:22:29 < bartekww> dongs: can you tell me how you're sending DMX?
2016-12-26T18:22:35 < bartekww> i can't get it working on STM32
2016-12-26T18:23:04 < bartekww> and how are named these transceivers?
2016-12-26T18:23:06 < bartekww> AD what
2016-12-26T18:23:13 < bartekww> i use max 3485 for now
2016-12-26T18:23:22 < zyp> isn't it just RS485?
2016-12-26T18:23:27 < bartekww> it is
2016-12-26T18:23:34 < dongs> bartekww: those are for isolation, you can use wahtever rs485 shit.
2016-12-26T18:23:39 < bartekww> i know ;P
2016-12-26T18:23:42 < dongs> bartekww: thre's an appnote on STM site about DMX sending and receive
2016-12-26T18:23:48 < dongs> you need additional gpio + timers to detect / send breaks
2016-12-26T18:24:01 < bartekww> why additional GPIO?
2016-12-26T18:24:06 < dongs> http://www.emcu.it/STM32/Lighting-Control-using-DMX512-protocol-on-STM32/Lighting-Control-using-DMX512-protocol-on-STM32.html
2016-12-26T18:24:07 < bartekww> even if i only TX?
2016-12-26T18:24:10 < dongs> yes
2016-12-26T18:24:23 < bartekww> is there any example code?
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2016-12-26T18:24:31 < dongs> on that page.
2016-12-26T18:24:45 < dongs> http://www.emcu.it/STM32/Lighting-Control-using-DMX512-protocol-on-STM32/DOC/UM1004%20DMX%20512%20based%20LED%20lighting%20solution.pdf
2016-12-26T18:24:46 < bartekww> what's the password?
2016-12-26T18:24:52 < dongs> and here explains why it needs gpio etc
2016-12-26T18:24:53 < dongs> wat
2016-12-26T18:25:00 < bartekww> >Software
2016-12-26T18:25:06 < bartekww> .zip
2016-12-26T18:25:08 < bartekww> with password
2016-12-26T18:25:58 < bartekww> i don't get this PDF
2016-12-26T18:26:00 < dongs> well, passworded zip is trivial
2016-12-26T18:26:06 < bartekww>  IDK how to do that
2016-12-26T18:26:11 < dongs> then youre fucked
2016-12-26T18:26:18 < bartekww> but breaking the password will take forever
2016-12-26T18:26:37 < bartekww> can i do it with dma?
2016-12-26T18:26:53 < bartekww> and one timer
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2016-12-26T18:27:20 < zyp> dongs, can't you just have the uart send a break?
2016-12-26T18:27:27 < dongs> zyp, not for dmx
2016-12-26T18:27:35 < dongs> its non-standard
2016-12-26T18:27:46 < dongs> anyway, trust me
2016-12-26T18:27:47 < bartekww> 88µS
2016-12-26T18:27:56 < dongs> the dude doign this shit spent years on it starting from some shit on stm8
2016-12-26T18:28:01 < dongs> and that ST appnote is legit
2016-12-26T18:28:17 < bartekww> Ulrich Radig is doing DMX on DMA
2016-12-26T18:28:33 < bartekww> and it's working
2016-12-26T18:28:39 < zyp> dongs, ah, the older UART in F1 doesn't have that shit
2016-12-26T18:28:53 < bartekww> https://www.ulrichradig.de/
2016-12-26T18:30:19 < zyp> hmm, looks like the «send break» stuff is part of LIN support
2016-12-26T18:30:35 < bartekww> look what Ulrich Radig says
2016-12-26T18:30:36 < bartekww> How is the dilemma with the UARTs solved? The problem I now solve as follows, the DMX output is generated by means of a timer and a DMA channel. The timer generates a DMA request "DMA Request" (DMX bit rate 250Kbit / s) every 4μs. The triggered DMA controller then outputs the DMX memory content (one byte) to one of its ports (the eight RS485 outputs) E8 to E15. The processor is not loaded by the DMA 
2016-12-26T18:30:42 < bartekww> controller. The signal thus also does not have any fluctuations, as in the case of a software-generated signal. However, more effort has to be spent on storing the data. With the used processor, however, it is now loosely at 40 frames per second, while at the same time updating the memory content over the network.
2016-12-26T18:32:56 < zyp> yeah, okay, SBKRQ will send 13 bit-times of break, DMX requires 23 bit-times
2016-12-26T18:32:59 < zyp> so that won't work
2016-12-26T18:34:18 < bartekww> how i can dma from variable
2016-12-26T18:34:24 < bartekww> to one specific pin?
2016-12-26T18:34:38 < zyp> GPIOx_BSRR
2016-12-26T18:34:44 < bartekww> for example PB15
2016-12-26T18:35:14 < zyp> GPIOB_BSRR = 1 << 15 to set, GPIOB_BSRR = 1 << 31 to clear
2016-12-26T18:35:51 < bartekww> but how to use it with DMA
2016-12-26T18:35:55 < bartekww> i need address
2016-12-26T18:36:33 < Thorn> (uint32_t)&GPIOB->BSRR
2016-12-26T18:36:49 < bartekww> but who knows which pin i want
2016-12-26T18:36:53 < bartekww> if i don't specify it
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2016-12-26T18:37:04 < zyp> uh
2016-12-26T18:37:08 < Thorn> so specify it
2016-12-26T18:37:12 < bartekww> where
2016-12-26T18:37:19 < zyp> open the reference manual, find GPIO chapter, read the BSRR description
2016-12-26T18:37:22 < zyp> then use your head
2016-12-26T18:37:39 < bartekww> i see
2016-12-26T18:37:44 < bartekww> that's the problem
2016-12-26T18:38:13 < bartekww> okay
2016-12-26T18:38:44 < bartekww> if i want to set pb15
2016-12-26T18:39:12 < zyp> BSRR contains a set bit and a clear bit to correspond to each pin for that GPIO block
2016-12-26T18:39:28 < bartekww> i have to put so i have to 1 << 15
2016-12-26T18:39:30 < bartekww> yup?
2016-12-26T18:39:39 < zyp> yes
2016-12-26T18:40:24 < bartekww> to clear it i have to 0 <<15?
2016-12-26T18:40:31 < zyp> no, 1 << 31
2016-12-26T18:40:39 < bartekww> why 31?
2016-12-26T18:40:55 < zyp> because bit 31 is the clear bit for pin 15
2016-12-26T18:41:06 < bartekww> ah okay
2016-12-26T18:41:10 < zyp> why aren't you reading the RM yet?
2016-12-26T18:41:15 < bartekww> im reading
2016-12-26T18:41:28 < bartekww> pb16 16 set 32 reset?
2016-12-26T18:41:34 < dongs> ..
2016-12-26T18:41:40 < dongs> bartekww more like beaky
2016-12-26T18:41:51 < dongs> amirite
2016-12-26T18:42:21 < zyp> there's no pb16
2016-12-26T18:42:28 < bartekww> ah okay
2016-12-26T18:42:31 < zyp> bit 16 is reset for pb0
2016-12-26T18:42:36 < bartekww> ok
2016-12-26T18:42:47 < bartekww> now i get
2016-12-26T18:43:03 < bartekww> is there any manual for HAL?
2016-12-26T18:43:16 < bartekww> i set pin as out using cubemx
2016-12-26T18:43:26 < bartekww> set up timer with 4µS timer
2016-12-26T18:43:52 < bartekww> set up dma when up
2016-12-26T18:44:02 < bartekww> but how to start this timer and fire dma with it?
2016-12-26T18:44:35 < Thorn> RTRM
2016-12-26T18:45:11 < bartekww> im using HAL
2016-12-26T18:45:13 < bartekww> not registers
2016-12-26T18:46:41 <@englishman> fucking nonpro Altair soft doesnt respect windows display scaling
2016-12-26T18:49:14 < bartekww> how to do it?
2016-12-26T18:52:40 < bartekww> there is no documentation for HAL
2016-12-26T18:52:42 < bartekww> no examples
2016-12-26T18:52:46 < bartekww> omg :|
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2016-12-26T19:02:58 < bartekww> dongs: can you show me your code?
2016-12-26T19:03:54 < bartekww> i'll be very happy
2016-12-26T19:03:56 < bartekww> :D
2016-12-26T19:09:07 < dongs> it wont help you at all
2016-12-26T19:09:14 < dongs> zyp, so yea, no breaks with usart
2016-12-26T19:09:17 < dongs> same for detecting rbeak
2016-12-26T19:09:27 < dongs> using timer and shit.
2016-12-26T19:09:34 < zyp> yeah, concluded that
2016-12-26T19:09:44 < bartekww> dongs: why?
2016-12-26T19:09:50 < bartekww> i only want TX
2016-12-26T19:09:52 < bartekww> no rx
2016-12-26T19:09:59 < bartekww> so i will not detect any break
2016-12-26T19:10:04 < dongs> you still need to send a break.
2016-12-26T19:10:10 < bartekww> only SEND
2016-12-26T19:10:12 < bartekww> not detect
2016-12-26T19:10:21 < dongs> well, if you keep autisming you wont be sending anything
2016-12-26T19:10:21 < dongs> at all
2016-12-26T19:10:35 < bartekww> doing what?
2016-12-26T19:11:50 < kakimir> I took autism to coding
2016-12-26T19:12:00 < kakimir> I have 3 different implementations of the same thing
2016-12-26T19:12:08 < kakimir> just because
2016-12-26T19:12:17 < bartekww> dongs: so can you help me?
2016-12-26T19:12:39 < dongs> bartekww: no
2016-12-26T19:12:49 < dongs> various people tried to help you, but you're just wasting their time
2016-12-26T19:12:52 < dongs> i don't wanna join the m
2016-12-26T19:13:29 < bartekww> how tried to help me?
2016-12-26T19:13:34 < bartekww> i need just an example
2016-12-26T19:16:42 < kakimir> there is no examples from dongs
2016-12-26T19:16:57 < kakimir> you can keep trying but it's fruitless
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2016-12-26T19:24:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> finally got the stm32f103 HAL documentation...time for more reading.
2016-12-26T19:24:57 < jpa-> classy reading
2016-12-26T19:25:05 < Fleck> ;p
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2016-12-26T19:35:17 <@englishman> lol $1200 for a 1440p monitor
2016-12-26T19:36:20 < zyp> that's not so much more than what I paid for mine
2016-12-26T19:36:47 < zyp> oh, with today's exchange rate it's actually twice what I paid for mine
2016-12-26T19:36:49 <@englishman> 10 yesr ago?
2016-12-26T19:37:00 < zyp> 4.5
2016-12-26T19:37:04 <@englishman> :)
2016-12-26T19:40:01 < Rob235> people actually buy curved screens?
2016-12-26T19:41:19 < Rob235> I guess for a computer monitor if you are only going to have one screen it could make sense. but any other scenario sounds like a waste
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2016-12-26T20:40:55 < bartekww> what is timer oc mode?
2016-12-26T20:41:53 < Thorn> output compare
2016-12-26T20:43:16 < bartekww> okay,thanks
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2016-12-26T20:47:42 < bartekww> how i can make pin floating using HAL?
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2016-12-26T20:50:05 <@englishman> set it to floating mode
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2016-12-26T20:54:47 < XTL> :)
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2016-12-26T21:51:40 < Rob235> what? Siam is what is now Thailand?
2016-12-26T21:53:48 < Rob235> 35. In 1988 experienced skydiver Ivan McGuire, 35, decided to film his two mile jump above North Carolina. He remembered his camera but forgot his parachute and filmed his own death.
2016-12-26T21:57:58 <@englishman> did you also know that burma = myanmar?
2016-12-26T21:58:03 <@englishman> and ceylon = sri lanka?
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2016-12-26T22:53:37 < chathphone> hi
2016-12-26T22:53:47 < chathphone> trying to figure out what pins to put tag-connect 6 pin to
2016-12-26T22:53:54 < chathphone> i know what pins in the datasheet...
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2016-12-26T22:54:10 < chathphone> the tag-connect site is just so shitty
2016-12-26T22:55:45 < chathphone> http://www.tag-connect.com/Materials/ARM20-CTX.pdf
2016-12-26T22:55:54 < chathphone> their stupid diptrace footprint doesnt even line up
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2016-12-26T22:59:43 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/LT5_-A0m8_U
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2016-12-26T23:25:37 < bartekww> welcome back
2016-12-26T23:26:12 < bartekww> how i can fire DMA when timer period elapsed?
2016-12-26T23:27:40 < Fleck> set enable bit? :D
2016-12-26T23:28:25 < bartekww> i can't find it in HAL documentation :/
2016-12-26T23:28:56 < karlp> read the reference manual instead, as you've been repeatedly advised.
2016-12-26T23:29:44 < bartekww> but i'm using HAL only
2016-12-26T23:29:51 < bartekww> not clean registers
2016-12-26T23:30:04 < karlp> you sttill should learn what on earth you're looking for.
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2016-12-26T23:41:08 < karlp> been in ada since what, the 80s?
2016-12-26T23:41:28 < karlp> was tthat not possible before c++17?
2016-12-26T23:41:58 < karlp> why is N a range, the others are sets?
2016-12-26T23:42:08 < karlp> P is reallyu only 7 or 17?
2016-12-26T23:42:22 < bartekww> LeelooMinai: Nope, I'm using SW4STM32 on Linux. PL?
2016-12-26T23:43:49 < qyx> polka v kanade? :)
2016-12-26T23:44:06 < qyx> but that piece of code doesn't look understandable to me
2016-12-26T23:44:14 < bartekww> qyx: russian :P?
2016-12-26T23:44:23 < qyx> bartekww: no, .sk
2016-12-26T23:44:25 < bartekww> LeelooMinai: query
2016-12-26T23:44:32 < bartekww> dobry den :D
2016-12-26T23:45:37 < karlp> so will it be understandable by the axe murderer who comes to maintain your project in the future?
2016-12-26T23:47:01 < qyx> in the future people will fight for food
2016-12-26T23:50:58 < bartekww> nvm, private question
2016-12-26T23:51:24 < bartekww> in StdPeriph there was    TIM_DMACmd(); function
2016-12-26T23:51:30 < bartekww> how it's named now?
2016-12-26T23:52:01 < karlp> bartekww: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=in+StdPeriph+there+was+%20+%20TIM_DMACmd()%3B+function%2C+how+it%27s+named+now%3F
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2016-12-27T00:14:47 < kakimir> any printf wizards around?
2016-12-27T00:15:32 < kakimir> I say width is 6 and float is 12345.000 precision is 0
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2016-12-27T00:16:05 < kakimir> it prints "12345"
2016-12-27T00:16:22 < kakimir> instead of 012345
2016-12-27T00:16:53 < kakimir> you are drunk LeelooMinai 
2016-12-27T00:17:08 < kakimir> I have
2016-12-27T00:17:26 < qyx> %06.2f or something similar
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2016-12-27T00:18:59 < kakimir> i have %0*.*f
2016-12-27T00:19:16 < qyx> why *
2016-12-27T00:19:27 < kakimir> because parameters?
2016-12-27T00:19:31 < qyx> *m dumb
2016-12-27T00:20:02 < kakimir> but when width hithens the number 7 then it prints 012345
2016-12-27T00:20:21 < kakimir> I have forced point on does it do this..
2016-12-27T00:21:01 < qyx> >>> print("%0*.*f" % (6, 3, 1234))
2016-12-27T00:21:01 < qyx> 1234.000
2016-12-27T00:21:06 < qyx> doens't wrok in python too
2016-12-27T00:21:35 < kakimir> 3 -> 0
2016-12-27T00:21:51 < kakimir> 1234 -> 12345
2016-12-27T00:22:29 < kakimir> I need to find online python to test this quickly
2016-12-27T00:22:56 < qyx> >>> print("%0*.*f" % (6, 0, 12345))
2016-12-27T00:22:56 < qyx> 012345
2016-12-27T00:23:03 < qyx> like you wish
2016-12-27T00:23:09 < kakimir> add # to format
2016-12-27T00:23:16 < qyx> ok, find an online python
2016-12-27T00:23:32 < kakimir> I found one
2016-12-27T00:23:57 < kakimir> how to even do python
2016-12-27T00:24:05 < kakimir> I find online C
2016-12-27T00:24:43 < qyx> https://repl.it/languages/python3 looks kawaii
2016-12-27T00:25:13 < kakimir> how to even do c++
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2016-12-27T00:27:24 < kakimir> oh
2016-12-27T00:27:30 < kakimir> this be quick fix
2016-12-27T00:27:42 < kakimir> point is count in the width
2016-12-27T00:27:53 < kakimir> I do width+1
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2016-12-27T00:30:16 < kakimir> what kind of person I am if I only do one programming language..
2016-12-27T00:30:27 < kakimir> terrible terrible
2016-12-27T00:39:48 < kakimir> 230lines of fresh code and only bug so far was that printf width thing
2016-12-27T00:40:18 < qyx> *the only found
2016-12-27T00:44:46 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZXQLGn2Jqg musics for codings and such
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2016-12-27T01:32:43 < jadew> everyone up to date with westworld?
2016-12-27T01:34:17 < jadew> did a TV show just raise the bar incredibly high even for movies of the same genre?
2016-12-27T01:34:37 < jadew> all the AI themed movies I've seen in the past are shit compared to this
2016-12-27T01:37:25 < jadew> I wonder who's going to dare to make another movie of the sort in the future
2016-12-27T01:42:18 < jadew> how did you find it? is it just me or was it extremely well done?
2016-12-27T01:42:50 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, with the chick the the IT crowd
2016-12-27T01:43:24 < jadew> started watching that one
2016-12-27T01:43:33 < jadew> not as good dialogues as westworld tho
2016-12-27T01:44:16 < jadew> heh, probably
2016-12-27T01:45:51 < jadew> that's quite cheap for a season of what came out
2016-12-27T01:48:42 < jadew> heh
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2016-12-27T01:50:45 < jadew> it would be interesting to see where it goes
2016-12-27T01:51:10 < jadew> when more people will be dumb as dirt than the world can sustain
2016-12-27T01:51:32 < zyp> somebody recommended westworld to me once
2016-12-27T01:51:39 < jadew> you didn't watch it?
2016-12-27T01:52:34 < jadew> LeelooMinai, who says they aren't doing just that? :)
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2016-12-27T01:53:47 < zyp> jadew, not yet, I don't like following ongoing shows
2016-12-27T01:53:59 < jadew> zyp, season 1 is done
2016-12-27T01:54:03 < zyp> and this was a couple of months ago, and I forgot about it since
2016-12-27T01:54:09 < jadew> had a nice ending, they can now cancel the show from my part
2016-12-27T01:54:24 < zyp> so yeah, might pick it up now when I get bored or whatever
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2016-12-27T01:55:00 < jadew> it's one of the few shows/movies I've ever seen in my life where the techno talk didn't bother me
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2016-12-27T01:55:05 < jadew> everything makes sense
2016-12-27T01:55:16 < jadew> LeelooMinai, haha, yeah
2016-12-27T01:55:16 < zyp> have you seen mr. robot?
2016-12-27T01:55:32 < jadew> no
2016-12-27T01:55:57 < jadew> that good?
2016-12-27T01:56:37 < zyp> I liked it
2016-12-27T01:57:15 < zyp> although I'd say the first part of the first season was the best part
2016-12-27T01:57:16 < jadew> well, it's worth putting it on my list, I have nothing left to see
2016-12-27T01:57:29 < jadew> speaking of x-files, I tried watching it recently and couldn't get past season 1
2016-12-27T01:57:31 < jadew> it stinks
2016-12-27T01:57:40 < kakimir> do we really need a tv series to follow life of awkward dude?
2016-12-27T01:58:15 < jadew> why was x-files so famous anyway?
2016-12-27T01:58:39 < Lambda-Aurigae> jadew, because it was the 90s?
2016-12-27T01:58:50 < jadew> that's probably it
2016-12-27T01:59:00 < jadew> the kind of theme that was interesting back then maybe
2016-12-27T01:59:16 < Lambda-Aurigae> startrek TNG and other spinoffs were very popular back then too.
2016-12-27T01:59:27 < jadew> although, alien invasions have never ran out of style
2016-12-27T01:59:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> I've tried watching them recently and find them campy and poor acting.
2016-12-27T01:59:52 < Lambda-Aurigae> however, I still like the original startrek series and most of the movies.
2016-12-27T01:59:54 < jadew> *gone out
2016-12-27T01:59:55 < zyp> x-files have always for me been one of those tv-shows my parents used to watch after they put me to bed when I were a kid
2016-12-27T02:00:09 < Lambda-Aurigae> zyp, that's XXX-files
2016-12-27T02:00:15 < zyp> so I can related to the title music, but I don't know anything else about it
2016-12-27T02:00:18 < zyp> -d
2016-12-27T02:00:28 < jadew> haha, about the same here
2016-12-27T02:00:42 < jadew> x-files and twin peaks
2016-12-27T02:00:54 < Lambda-Aurigae> never could get into either one of those shows.
2016-12-27T02:01:06 < Lambda-Aurigae> they made no sense unless you watched every episode from the beginning I understand.
2016-12-27T02:01:15 < jadew> I didn't try twin peaks yet, but if I'll hear the song, I'll remember it, just like zyp said
2016-12-27T02:02:39 < Lambda-Aurigae> LeelooMinai, so, like CNN?
2016-12-27T02:03:18 < Lambda-Aurigae> ok,,,Fox News
2016-12-27T02:03:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> MSNBC
2016-12-27T02:03:25 < Lambda-Aurigae> CBS
2016-12-27T02:03:25 < Lambda-Aurigae> etc
2016-12-27T02:03:41 < Lambda-Aurigae> all pretty much the same...that was just the first to come to the fingertips.
2016-12-27T02:04:33 < Lambda-Aurigae> so, on to really strange topics.
2016-12-27T02:04:48 < Lambda-Aurigae> are there any usable IDEs for stm32 on linux?
2016-12-27T02:04:56 < zyp> vim
2016-12-27T02:05:49 < Lambda-Aurigae> never been an eclipse fan.
2016-12-27T02:05:58 < jadew> there might be others too
2016-12-27T02:06:02 < Lambda-Aurigae> for other microcontrollers I just use whatever text editor is handy and command line.
2016-12-27T02:06:11 < jadew> I wonder if codelite supports it
2016-12-27T02:06:32 < zyp> Lambda-Aurigae, so what stops you from taking the same approach with stm32?
2016-12-27T02:06:32 < jadew> they tend to copy the VS experience, so it feels pretty good for the most part
2016-12-27T02:07:08 < Lambda-Aurigae> zyp, nothing yet...still reading documentation and looking for options.
2016-12-27T02:07:32 < Lambda-Aurigae> any experience with openstm32 ?
2016-12-27T02:07:43 < zyp> Lambda-Aurigae, what's that?
2016-12-27T02:08:25 < Lambda-Aurigae> it seems to be the home of something called Open Workbench for STM32
2016-12-27T02:08:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> just browsing around and found it.
2016-12-27T02:08:55 < zyp> probably not worthwhile
2016-12-27T02:09:04 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what's that requires thing? some sort of constraint?
2016-12-27T02:09:36 < jadew> nice
2016-12-27T02:09:42 < zyp> LeelooMinai, it actually got included now?
2016-12-27T02:10:06 < zyp> I mean in C++17
2016-12-27T02:10:21 < jadew> how do you declare a concept?
2016-12-27T02:10:40 < zyp> they talked about it for both C++11 and C++14 as well, but it got postponed
2016-12-27T02:11:08 < zyp> so is it decided that they're actually putting it into C++17 now?
2016-12-27T02:11:30 < zyp> then it's a bit early to call it a C++17 feature :p
2016-12-27T02:11:31 < jadew> nice
2016-12-27T02:11:43 < zyp> but yeah, I'm looking forward to it too
2016-12-27T02:11:47 < jadew> looks like something that could be implemented with variadic templates
2016-12-27T02:12:00 < jadew> yeah, it's pretty neat
2016-12-27T02:12:31 < zyp> in what sense?
2016-12-27T02:13:50 < zyp> like an implicit reduce()?
2016-12-27T02:14:48 < zyp> neat, although that sounds like it can make the syntax weird pretty quick
2016-12-27T02:14:53 < jadew> those are variadic templates
2016-12-27T02:14:58 < zyp> yes
2016-12-27T02:16:06 < jadew> ah, those! are variadic templtes hehe
2016-12-27T02:16:16 < jadew> so I guess it's just syntax sugar
2016-12-27T02:16:18 < jadew> it's welcome
2016-12-27T02:22:06 < jadew> dozen?
2016-12-27T02:22:22 < jadew> are you sure you didn't mean christmas tree?
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2016-12-27T02:22:59 < jadew> heh
2016-12-27T02:23:06 < jadew> I want white LEDs too
2016-12-27T02:23:21 < jadew> I don't know why I never changed them on my keyboard, I get the crazy blue ones
2016-12-27T02:23:23 < jadew> *have
2016-12-27T02:23:41 < zyp> blue leds looks awful in general
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2016-12-27T02:23:56 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-27T02:24:09 < jadew> my PC case has blue LEDs too but I fixed those
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2016-12-27T02:24:27 < jadew> I taped a piece of black paper from a magazine's cover
2016-12-27T02:24:30 < zyp> mine too, I put red tape over them
2016-12-27T02:24:44 < jadew> that dimmed them just enough to be bareable
2016-12-27T02:25:06 < jadew> the air purifier has one too, so it's now facing the wall
2016-12-27T02:25:18 < zyp> red electrical tape is perfect for shit like that, turns it into a weak purple glow that you won't notice unless you're looking at it
2016-12-27T02:25:45 < Lambda-Aurigae> black electrical tape is better....gets rid of all those annoying blinkylights.
2016-12-27T02:25:57 < jadew> lol
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2016-12-27T02:26:38 < jadew> and play that prank on every engineer who thought blue leds are cool
2016-12-27T02:27:47 < jadew> the moment I first saw them I thought to myself "man.. that's ugly"
2016-12-27T02:27:50 < zyp> hmm, assholes specced 2.5mm diameter mounting holes, their example board got 3mm holes, and the outer diameter of the screw threads is 2.85mm
2016-12-27T02:27:59 < jadew> and it never occured to me to ever use them, anywhere
2016-12-27T02:28:39 < zyp> I only noticed because I got out the calipers to measure the diameter of the screw head
2016-12-27T02:29:03 < jadew> zyp, had to drill a hole today and had a similar issue. Use a toothpick :P
2016-12-27T02:29:09 < jadew> (to fill the gap)
2016-12-27T02:29:21 < zyp> LeelooMinai, this is plastic screws, not machine screws
2016-12-27T02:29:31 < zyp> goes into a boss in the plastic enclosure
2016-12-27T02:29:58 < zyp> jadew, no, what I'm saying is that they specced too small holes
2016-12-27T02:30:34 < jadew> ah, I thought the issue you had was with the example board
2016-12-27T02:31:46 < zyp> LeelooMinai, by plastic screws I mean metal screws with threads that goes into an unthreaded hole in a plastic boss
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2016-12-27T02:32:34 < jadew> oh, but then wouldn't that make sense?
2016-12-27T02:32:56 < jadew> 2.5mm unthreaded holes into plastic sound about right for 2.85mm screws, no?
2016-12-27T02:33:18 < zyp> sure, but I were talking about the mounting hole in the pcb
2016-12-27T02:33:38 < zyp> why would I want the screw to bite into the pcb?
2016-12-27T02:34:10 < jadew> yeah, maybe they used the hole one the box?
2016-12-27T02:34:56 < jadew> at least now you know
2016-12-27T02:34:58 < jadew> 3mm holes
2016-12-27T02:35:25 < jadew> LeelooMinai, nice
2016-12-27T02:35:41 < zyp> nice
2016-12-27T02:36:12 < stvn> crikey
2016-12-27T02:36:33 < stvn> thats how china dispose of nuclear waste
2016-12-27T02:36:34 < jadew> ebay hoarder
2016-12-27T02:36:52 < zyp> I'm going to use some similar nylon standoffs towards the stacked board
2016-12-27T02:37:00 < ohsix> sup
2016-12-27T02:37:15 < ohsix> i'm slacking on my ebay hoarding
2016-12-27T02:37:22 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlazJmPOA-o
2016-12-27T02:38:13 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I like that the screws are too long to fit into the standoffs
2016-12-27T02:38:18 < zyp> :p
2016-12-27T02:40:00 < zyp> I'm pretty sure that the 6mm standoffs aren't threaded deep enough to fit 10mm screws :)
2016-12-27T02:41:08 < stvn> wingdings
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2016-12-27T02:43:50 < stvn> wing ding
2016-12-27T02:44:22 < ohsix> my ebay hoard fits in a tiny storage bin :[
2016-12-27T03:06:30 < stvn> fucken ohsix 
2016-12-27T03:06:40 < stvn> got any blogs?
2016-12-27T03:09:31 < ohsix> nope
2016-12-27T03:09:49 < ohsix> just saw this and considering telling them that they're using 'humble' wrong https://twitter.com/ORStatePolice/status/813494232828645376
2016-12-27T03:11:56 < stvn> fucken niggers shooting cops again?
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2016-12-27T03:17:13 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/8efc71759ff940b49b4672af132e176a?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=567ae564b5167b25edcf278584200cca
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2016-12-27T03:44:38 < upgrdman> the IEEE is getting weird these days  http://spectrum.ieee.org/image/Mjg0NjM0NQ.jpeg
2016-12-27T03:45:26 < jadew> remote blowjob gadget?
2016-12-27T03:45:53 < jadew> that guy seems to be really into it
2016-12-27T03:45:54 < upgrdman> supposedly remote kissing
2016-12-27T03:48:02 < jadew> if you record it you can use it later
2016-12-27T03:48:44 < jadew> "thanks! had a great blowjob with your kiss"
2016-12-27T03:51:05 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9KXKbBKp1A
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2016-12-27T04:11:33 < zyp> dongs, around?
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2016-12-27T04:46:43 < dongs> zyp yo
2016-12-27T04:46:49 < dongs> sry had ~work~
2016-12-27T04:46:49 < dongs> sup
2016-12-27T04:47:19 < Lambda-Aurigae> that's a dirty 4 letter W word
2016-12-27T04:48:04 < zyp> dongs, just wondered about FFC connectors
2016-12-27T04:48:22 < zyp> these look good: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/amphenol-fci/62674-241121ALF/609-1210-1-ND/1003046 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/amphenol-fci/SFV24R-1STE1HLF/609-4320-1-ND/2626771
2016-12-27T04:48:32 < zyp> vertical and horizontal respectively
2016-12-27T04:49:18 < zyp> so I were just wondering if they can be sourced cheaply or if I should choose something else
2016-12-27T04:49:33 < dongs> lemme ask
2016-12-27T04:52:12 < zyp> I'll probably use vertical on bottom and middle board and horizontal on top board, that seems to fit the idea I have in mind for how to make this fit together the best
2016-12-27T04:52:47 < dongs> tehy're botyh 24 pin right
2016-12-27T04:53:07 < zyp> yeah, I figure 24 is a common number
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2016-12-27T04:53:21 < dongs> its not actually
2016-12-27T04:53:29 < dongs> usually 20 or 30 would be more likely
2016-12-27T04:53:34 < zyp> oh, okay
2016-12-27T04:55:00 < zyp> 20 will probably not be enough, but I could probably spare another 3mm to fit 30
2016-12-27T04:55:59 < zyp> or I could make it different for top/bottom links, bottom will require less
2016-12-27T04:56:30 < zyp> but I liked the idea of keeping same connector and roughly same pinout for both
2016-12-27T04:59:38 < dongs> im asking. 24 might be ok too
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2016-12-27T05:13:36 < dongs> ok sounds like she can get clones
2016-12-27T05:13:38 < dongs> getting info
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2016-12-27T05:16:38 < dongs> zyp, OK those 24s are common as clones
2016-12-27T05:16:40 < dongs> should be OK to use
2016-12-27T05:16:45 < dongs> same footprint etc.
2016-12-27T05:16:52 < zyp> ah, nice
2016-12-27T05:17:06 < zyp> 30p too then, I assume?
2016-12-27T05:17:24 < dongs> yeah should be
2016-12-27T05:17:27 < dongs> in same series
2016-12-27T05:17:40 < zyp> and this was both horizontal and vertical series?
2016-12-27T05:17:45 < dongs> correct
2016-12-27T05:17:58 < zyp> nice
2016-12-27T05:19:07 < zyp> for the horizontal one, I saw there were both contacts on top and contacts on bottom variants
2016-12-27T05:19:58 < dongs> right
2016-12-27T05:20:05 < dongs> there's also one that does both
2016-12-27T05:20:11 < dongs> i get some gook ones that have both top/bottom
2016-12-27T05:20:40 < dongs> are the ones you linked wiht lock?
2016-12-27T05:20:47 < dongs> like lock tab i guess right
2016-12-27T05:25:31 < zyp> the kind of shit you pull out and push in
2016-12-27T05:26:05 < zyp> judging by the shit I've encountered before, I like those better than the hinged ones
2016-12-27T05:26:32 < dongs> yeah just some friction
2016-12-27T05:26:44 < dongs> needs that blue tab
2016-12-27T05:26:54 < zyp> huh?
2016-12-27T05:27:38 < zyp> no, these are ZIF, I just mean that they have a lock thing that you pull out to unlock and push in to lock
2016-12-27T05:27:54 < zyp> http://portal.fciconnect.com/Comergent//fci/drawing/62674.pdf
2016-12-27T05:28:13 < zyp> see the side perspective on first page there
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2016-12-27T05:33:47 < dongs> o
2016-12-27T05:34:05 < dongs> rite
2016-12-27T05:34:14 < dongs> same thing exists for horizontal too
2016-12-27T05:34:19 < dongs> pull tab vs lift up lock
2016-12-27T05:34:27 < dongs> and also has that doesnt have any at all, just push it in
2016-12-27T05:34:40 < zyp> yeah, the horizontal I linked to have that pull tab
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2016-12-27T05:40:37 < dongs> zyp, sending you datasheets of chinaclones
2016-12-27T05:40:38 < dongs> to confirm
2016-12-27T05:40:54 < zyp> nice
2016-12-27T05:41:05 < dongs> done
2016-12-27T05:42:53 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Manual-PCB-assembly-with-SMT/ attn Laurenceb 
2016-12-27T05:43:49 < zyp> okay, looks good
2016-12-27T05:45:24 < dongs> what length for cable?
2016-12-27T05:47:31 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-DESIGN-AND-FABRICATION/ attn zyp
2016-12-27T05:48:11 < zyp> haven't decided yet, depends how it'll fit together
2016-12-27T05:48:16 < dongs> ok
2016-12-27T05:49:03 < zyp> bottom-middle will be pretty short, middle-top will be longer
2016-12-27T05:49:13 < dongs> they have a few standard sizes
2016-12-27T05:49:19 < dongs> worst case you can just bend it a few times
2016-12-27T05:49:21 < dongs> if there's nothing in the middle
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2016-12-27T05:50:03 < zyp> bottom and middle board will be mounted in the enclosure base, while the top board will be mounted in the enclosure top, and the cable needs to be plugged in before they are snapped together
2016-12-27T06:26:19 < dongs> your channel name matches the content
2016-12-27T06:29:05 < dongs> you mgiht get sued by blackmagic designs
2016-12-27T06:29:10 < dongs> cuz thats the name for thier blackmagic cinema camerae
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2016-12-27T07:45:24 < ohsix> https://www.instagram.com/p/BOggkxAg77N/
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2016-12-27T07:48:59 < scrotal_bonus> hi dongs
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2016-12-27T07:51:22 < ohsix> https://t.co/PG9DrVCVCE
2016-12-27T07:51:28 < ohsix> er twitter gah
2016-12-27T07:51:35 < ohsix> https://vine.co/v/i3MYZM3abYV
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2016-12-27T08:16:46 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/darrencauthon/status/813096722989809665 lul
2016-12-27T08:16:54 < ohsix> bricked tvs
2016-12-27T08:29:04 < dongs> We provide services to the hotel industry, we are looking for someone with basic hotel and or maintenance/engineering experience with unclogging toilets, sinks, drywall patch, and other basic maintenance skills. This is a temporary assignment to start right away and last for about 2-3 weeks, but may turn into an ongoing job. $16 an hour to start. Contact Jill at Jill@weare5star.com
2016-12-27T08:29:21 < dongs> > engineering
2016-12-27T08:29:25 < dongs> > unclogging toilets
2016-12-27T08:30:28 < dongs> perfect job for the lieks of leelooman
2016-12-27T08:31:13 < ReadErr> how the hell did they get malware ?
2016-12-27T08:31:22 < ReadErr> does google not screen or scan apps?
2016-12-27T08:36:10 < ohsix> google can only do so much
2016-12-27T08:36:32 < ohsix> apps can ~easily download payload for r00t when installed on the tv, or bust shit out from web ads
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2016-12-27T08:37:24 < dongs> wat
2016-12-27T08:37:28 < dongs> ReadErr: wtf are you talkin about
2016-12-27T08:37:39 < ReadErr> 1:16:47 AM <ohsix> https://twitter.com/darrencauthon/status/813096722989809665 lul
2016-12-27T08:37:42 < ReadErr> someone malware'
2016-12-27T08:37:44 < ReadErr> d their tv
2016-12-27T08:40:03 < ohsix> isn't it nice that twitter offers to shorten all urls!!11 entirely helpful and not at all to inject their analytics
2016-12-27T08:40:13 < dongs> what the shit is that picture
2016-12-27T08:40:20 < dongs> is that the ransomware demand letter?
2016-12-27T08:40:24 < ReadErr> probably a bitcoin thing ya
2016-12-27T08:40:26 < dongs> plz send $500 to buttcoin address loldongs
2016-12-27T08:40:50 < dongs> i do agree, assdroid is fucking awful on TVs
2016-12-27T08:41:09 < dongs> well, not like its not awful EVERYWHERE but particularly unusable on anything except phones
2016-12-27T08:41:40 < ReadErr> doesnt help google lets about any ole trash into their playstore
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2016-12-27T08:52:19 < ohsix> it doesn't have to be on google play
2016-12-27T08:52:28 < ohsix> and it probably wasn't
2016-12-27T08:55:25 < ReadErr> then how
2016-12-27T08:56:01 < ohsix> using the web browser
2016-12-27T08:56:15 < ohsix> even on reputable sites there are ad payloads that can do that shit
2016-12-27T08:56:38 < ohsix> even on reputable sites on reputable ad networks, they can hide the code in the images and ship scripts that decode it ;] thwarts scanners
2016-12-27T08:57:57 < ReadErr> so not even clicking an ad ?
2016-12-27T08:58:19 < ohsix> ya
2016-12-27T08:58:27 < ohsix> just having it load
2016-12-27T08:58:48 < ohsix> the user agent and shit points out what tv it is and everything
2016-12-27T08:59:36 < ReadErr> you sure?
2016-12-27T09:00:22 < ohsix> yes
2016-12-27T09:00:33 < ohsix> it's just harder to do it via google play
2016-12-27T09:00:40 < ohsix> more likely from something else
2016-12-27T09:00:52 < Kliment> ad distribution networks are the largest malware vector these days
2016-12-27T09:01:13 < ReadErr> i dont doubt that but figured you would have to click on it atleast
2016-12-27T09:01:53 < Kliment> You're running untrusted third-party code on your machine, why does it matter if you click?
2016-12-27T09:02:03 < ohsix> why would you need to click on it?
2016-12-27T09:02:15 < ohsix> there are ads that are literally askign you to install software tho
2016-12-27T09:02:26 < ohsix> but it doesn't have to be that
2016-12-27T09:03:01 < ReadErr> sounds like some 0day shit
2016-12-27T09:05:06 < ohsix> didn't you hear about mirai and shit
2016-12-27T09:05:23 < ohsix> those tvs don't get updated, vendors dump a whole operating system on it with a huge attack surface on millions of tvs
2016-12-27T09:06:24 < ohsix> and you can still attack them with dumb attacks
2016-12-27T09:06:48 < ohsix> once there are millions of targets you can just find something, it's a good way to make money
2016-12-27T09:07:08 < ohsix> you can't close the loop on an ad being the reason for malware on a tv either lul
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2016-12-27T09:07:31 < ohsix> you just get it and someone else has to figure out how, it doesn't get back to the ad networks, the shit can survive a long time
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2016-12-27T09:14:13 < ReadErr> it should be illegal to have ads that look like download buttons on download pages
2016-12-27T09:14:22 < ReadErr> too many idiots get duped by that
2016-12-27T09:24:09 < dongs> haha
2016-12-27T09:24:16 < ohsix> it's not the picture that makes them click on it
2016-12-27T09:24:18 < dongs> even sourceforge used/to/still does that
2016-12-27T09:24:31 < dongs> its pretty obvvious its a troll when youclick download and it asks y ou to download a .exe
2016-12-27T09:24:42 < dongs> heh yesterday i was on some forum looking for a serial
2016-12-27T09:24:48 < dongs> er forum -> blog
2016-12-27T09:24:55 < dongs> and of course it was a fake/troll place
2016-12-27T09:25:07 < ohsix> 'download accelerators' on websites that are slow, or people with slow internet connections are an easy way to get people to install anything
2016-12-27T09:25:09 < dongs> and one of the comments under it was like "how do I get the serial now?? I installed the app but all I get is ez download manager"
2016-12-27T09:25:12 < dongs> lolol
2016-12-27T09:26:38 < ohsix> i dunno why i'm fucking around o nirc when i could be doing something useful :<
2016-12-27T09:31:03 < ohsix> hahahah https://twitter.com/mikerapaportson
2016-12-27T09:31:28 < ohsix> people have been fucking with him
2016-12-27T09:32:10 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/mikerapaportson/status/813642016143785985
2016-12-27T09:33:27 < ohsix> there's some funny shit that only really works on twitter :\
2016-12-27T09:52:59 < bartekww> hey
2016-12-27T09:53:15 < bartekww> my ENC28J60 is working on normal SPI
2016-12-27T09:53:19 < bartekww> and i have got 2 ms ping
2016-12-27T09:53:25 < bartekww> on DMA i have got 5 ms
2016-12-27T09:53:30 < bartekww> why :|?
2016-12-27T09:55:30 < ohsix> lul there's a new countertop ice maker in the hosue
2016-12-27T09:55:50 < ohsix> it's cool to watch, it has a proper compressor and everything in it, it was like 40$, black friday discount shit, i want to get one to mess with
2016-12-27T09:56:28 < ohsix> the ice seizes up on the probes in a blink, they're naked then pop, ~mm of ice on it and ice splinters flying off on the top
2016-12-27T09:57:04 < ohsix> bartekww: does dma imply lower latency? i don't think it does
2016-12-27T09:57:24 < ohsix> code getting each byte of the frame as they arrive is going to be able to queue a response faster
2016-12-27T09:59:21 < bartekww> i don't know, rather yes
2016-12-27T09:59:31 < bartekww> but why ping is higher than without DMA :P?
2016-12-27T09:59:53 < dongs> DMA setup takes  time, it only makes sense in cases where its needed
2016-12-27T10:00:18 < dongs> you have to tradeoff amount of cycles needed to setup + irq latency + etc to watch for DMA completion vs just clocking out bytes over SPI.
2016-12-27T10:00:28 < bartekww> i don't know when HAL initializes spi
2016-12-27T10:00:28 < dongs> after x bytes it becomes better to do DMA, below x, better  to do direct.
2016-12-27T10:00:41 < bartekww> ahhh
2016-12-27T10:00:43 < bartekww> DMA
2016-12-27T10:00:47 < bartekww> not SPI
2016-12-27T10:01:26 < ohsix> bartekww: there's no normal
2016-12-27T10:04:05 < bartekww> dongs: i talked about DMA yesterday
2016-12-27T10:04:13 < bartekww> omg, DMX
2016-12-27T10:04:28 < bartekww> sorry, it's morning :D
2016-12-27T10:05:18 < ohsix> RUSURE
2016-12-27T10:05:28 < bartekww> yup
2016-12-27T10:05:40 < ohsix> shit son
2016-12-27T10:05:44 < bartekww> ?
2016-12-27T10:05:48 < ohsix> dmx is something i could do with the rs485 junk i got
2016-12-27T10:06:04 < bartekww> yup
2016-12-27T10:06:05 < bartekww> but
2016-12-27T10:06:25 < bartekww> someone, dongs or you send me a link to the pdf 
2016-12-27T10:06:40 < bartekww> but someone is doing it differently and it's working
2016-12-27T10:06:54 < ohsix> not me
2016-12-27T10:07:01 < ohsix> what are you referring to?
2016-12-27T10:07:02 < bartekww> ok, so that was dongs 
2016-12-27T10:07:15 < bartekww> http://www.emcu.it/STM32/Lighting-Control-using-DMX512-protocol-on-STM32/DOC/Demonstration%20firmware%20for%20the%20DMX-512%20communication%20for%20TX%20DSA00188332.pdf
2016-12-27T10:07:21 < ReadErr> ohsix: which?
2016-12-27T10:07:22 < ohsix> i was wondering what to do with the rs485 junk i bought a while ago, this is something
2016-12-27T10:07:30 < ReadErr> I need something like that to pull the compressor and shit out of
2016-12-27T10:07:31 < bartekww> ohsix: which junk?
2016-12-27T10:08:04 < bartekww> DMX lights or transceivers?
2016-12-27T10:08:06 < ohsix> a usb rs485 converter and a handful of http://www.ebay.com/itm/First-rate-MAX485-RS-485-Module-TTL-to-RS-485-module-for-Arduino-Raspberry-EFC-/291731314046?hash=item43ec8a957e:g:KegAAOSwnDxUp7o9
2016-12-27T10:08:13 < bartekww> aaah
2016-12-27T10:08:21 < ohsix> it was like 2$ to get 5 or something
2016-12-27T10:08:35 < bartekww> aliexpress > MAX3485
2016-12-27T10:08:40 < bartekww> 3V version
2016-12-27T10:08:50 < ohsix> noice
2016-12-27T10:08:54 < bartekww> MAX 485 need 5V VCC
2016-12-27T10:09:14 < bartekww> you can use optocouplers
2016-12-27T10:09:15 < ohsix> and the usb part is something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/CH340-USB-to-RS485-485-TTL-Converter-Adapter-Module-For-Win-7-8-Linux-XP-Vista-/201678892853?hash=item2ef4ffaf35:g:2RwAAOSwLF1X7OUo
2016-12-27T10:09:23 < ohsix> is dmx 3v?
2016-12-27T10:09:41 < bartekww> idk, max485 logic is 5v
2016-12-27T10:09:45 < bartekww> 3485 is 3v
2016-12-27T10:09:50 < ohsix> right, not so worried, cool
2016-12-27T10:09:51 < bartekww> 3485 also works with dmx
2016-12-27T10:10:04 < ohsix> it would only be 'dmx' to adhere to the protocol and make some lights blink or something
2016-12-27T10:10:11 < bartekww> yup
2016-12-27T10:10:15 < bartekww> but that's hardest
2016-12-27T10:10:17 < ohsix> i have some servos and shit, might be a fun way to mess with them
2016-12-27T10:10:31 < bartekww> my idea is to use DMA and timer
2016-12-27T10:10:38 < bartekww> timer set to 4µS
2016-12-27T10:10:43 < ohsix> ReadErr: which what? also got netflix? OA, haven't watched yet or heard much but looks interesting
2016-12-27T10:10:49 < bartekww> DMA from mem to periph 
2016-12-27T10:10:55 < ReadErr> OA?
2016-12-27T10:11:00 < ReadErr> which icemaker
2016-12-27T10:11:03 < ohsix> series on netflix that was posted a few days ago
2016-12-27T10:11:06 < ohsix> aaaah k sec
2016-12-27T10:11:29 < bartekww> timer is triggering DMA every 4µS and sending pin states of PORTB using GPIOB->ODR
2016-12-27T10:11:49 < bartekww> but i don't know how can i store values to make it working
2016-12-27T10:12:20 < bartekww> 16 pins, 16 independent arrays with DMX data
2016-12-27T10:12:39 < bartekww> bit 0 - DMX port 1 etc.
2016-12-27T10:13:01 < ohsix> http://www.houzz.com/photos/60315394/Igloo-Compact-Ice-Maker-Silver-ice-makers looks like this one, walmart had them on black friday for 90$ or something, discounted a bunch tho, if they still have them i think 30$
2016-12-27T10:13:30 < ohsix> for just getting a little compressor and evaporator and shit for experiments that's diiiiiiirt cheap
2016-12-27T10:13:39 < ohsix> (or shit, making ice)
2016-12-27T10:13:53 < ohsix> it has a little low voltage pump and a decent dc fan and junk in it too
2016-12-27T10:14:41 < ohsix> it really is the neatest thing in the house ATM :D
2016-12-27T10:15:15 < bartekww> ohsix: have you got any idea?
2016-12-27T10:16:04 < ohsix> bartekww: nope, sorry
2016-12-27T10:16:23 < ReadErr> ohsix: yea for 30-40 would get one
2016-12-27T10:16:28 < ohsix> ReadErr: looks like there's a ton that all have the same guts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggsgXqO5Mvw
2016-12-27T10:16:32 < ReadErr> 126 or w/e is too much to just take apart
2016-12-27T10:16:37 < ohsix> nod
2016-12-27T10:16:46 < ohsix> but if you wanted refrig unit still probably a good deal
2016-12-27T10:17:29 < ohsix> was looking for shit on aliexpress and from other sources and it was $$$, i'd just assumed that these ice makers used TECs
2016-12-27T10:17:31 < ReadErr> can get minifridges pretty cheap
2016-12-27T10:17:34 < ReadErr> sometimes
2016-12-27T10:17:54 < ohsix> yea
2016-12-27T10:18:03 < ohsix> sometimes free when the college semester is ending
2016-12-27T10:18:03 < bartekww> (uint32_t)&GPIOE->ODR) is PORTE output data register
2016-12-27T10:18:11 < bartekww> so what is (((uint32_t)&GPIOE->ODR)+1) ?
2016-12-27T10:18:12 < ohsix> but they have large stuff connected to them
2016-12-27T10:18:18 < bartekww> what this +1 do?
2016-12-27T10:18:28 < ohsix> adds one to the address
2016-12-27T10:18:43 < bartekww> that i know
2016-12-27T10:18:56 < bartekww> but what that 1 is changing?
2016-12-27T10:18:59 < ohsix> oh you mean what register is that then? shrug
2016-12-27T10:19:12 < ohsix> you can check the headers, baww let me look
2016-12-27T10:19:49 < ohsix> what part?
2016-12-27T10:19:53 < bartekww> ?
2016-12-27T10:19:55 < bartekww> ah
2016-12-27T10:20:01 < bartekww> STM32F103C8T6
2016-12-27T10:20:07 < ohsix> k
2016-12-27T10:21:12 < ohsix> no idea why they do that, where is that code?
2016-12-27T10:21:17 < bartekww> ah, but check it for F405
2016-12-27T10:21:24 < ohsix> 16 bits of ODR is reserved
2016-12-27T10:21:51 < bartekww> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qg6gqe85n2uc63w/DMX8_DMA_Out.h?dl=0
2016-12-27T10:21:55 < ohsix> and BSRR is the next register, ODR is at 0x0c and BSRR 0x10
2016-12-27T10:22:00 < bartekww> https://www.dropbox.com/s/75b22ypklyo9ybb/DMX8_DMA_Out.c?dl=0
2016-12-27T10:22:36 < bartekww> these 2 files
2016-12-27T10:22:42 < bartekww> DMX using DMA and timer
2016-12-27T10:24:01 < ohsix> it's used in dma setup
2016-12-27T10:24:50 < ohsix> CPARx register, 
2016-12-27T10:24:59 < ohsix> Address offset: 0x10 + 0d20 × (channel number – 1)
2016-12-27T10:25:05 < ohsix> there you go
2016-12-27T10:25:23 < ohsix> bit 31 controls word/halfword access too
2016-12-27T10:25:38 < bartekww> what this register do?
2016-12-27T10:25:54 < ohsix> it sets the peripheral base address for the dma channel
2016-12-27T10:26:07 < bartekww> eeeeh
2016-12-27T10:26:12 < ohsix> look at OUTPUT_PORT in the .c file
2016-12-27T10:26:13 < bartekww> you checked it for stm32f1?
2016-12-27T10:26:19 < bartekww> yup i se
2016-12-27T10:26:20 < bartekww> see
2016-12-27T10:27:05 < ohsix> ReadErr: this would be just the thing to make a summertime cool dude space suit
2016-12-27T10:27:08 < ohsix> huhuhu
2016-12-27T10:27:13 < bartekww> DMA_InitStructure.DMA_PeripheralBaseAddr = OUTPUT_PORT;
2016-12-27T10:27:14 < ohsix> plus you get ICE
2016-12-27T10:27:25 < bartekww> #define OUTPUT_PORT(((uint32_t)&GPIOE->ODR)+1)
2016-12-27T10:27:54 < ReadErr> yea no good sales on them right now
2016-12-27T10:28:00 < ReadErr> will have to keep an eye out
2016-12-27T10:28:10 < ohsix> ReadErr: you can probably get one for parts not working that has refrig assembly in good nick
2016-12-27T10:28:44 < ohsix> go check walmart, it was one of their black friday skus
2016-12-27T10:28:48 < bartekww> ohsix: but how he is doing that
2016-12-27T10:28:53 < ohsix> an actual walmart that is
2016-12-27T10:28:54 < bartekww> he uses E8-15
2016-12-27T10:29:02 < bartekww> or 7-15
2016-12-27T10:29:34 < ohsix> bartekww: i dunno, sorry; don't have bandwidth to figure it out & i haven't really used it meaningfully yet
2016-12-27T10:29:55 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/RCA-RIC102-Silver-Compact-Maker-Silver/dp/B00INXGA1O/
2016-12-27T10:29:55 < bartekww> ok
2016-12-27T10:30:48 < ohsix> ReadErr: ya the controls are in the back on the other ones, i dunno why
2016-12-27T10:31:21 < ohsix> heheh an ice maker is just the thing for a twitter bot
2016-12-27T10:31:32 < bartekww> ohsix: 
2016-12-27T10:31:33 < ohsix> 'ICE TRAY FULL!' 'OUT OF WATER!'
2016-12-27T10:32:08 < ohsix> it would be rare enough to not be spam and also useful to know
2016-12-27T10:32:10 < bartekww> can you look at c file?
2016-12-27T10:32:15 < ohsix> sure
2016-12-27T10:32:34 < bartekww> void dmx_gpio_init (void) function
2016-12-27T10:32:48 < bartekww> GPIO_InitStructure.GPIO_Pin = 0xFF00 | GPIO_Pin_3;
2016-12-27T10:33:08 < bartekww> how he is initializing 8 gpio pins at same time?
2016-12-27T10:33:14 < bartekww> he is using this line
2016-12-27T10:34:45 < ReadErr> ohsix: was looking at those portable electric coolers
2016-12-27T10:34:48 < ReadErr> but they suck
2016-12-27T10:34:57 < ReadErr> only offer a certain amount below ambient 
2016-12-27T10:35:32 < ohsix> well yea, everything does
2016-12-27T10:35:44 < ohsix> just a factor of how soon it melts down from self heating
2016-12-27T10:35:56 < ohsix> evap cycle with the compressor shits is much more efficient
2016-12-27T10:36:44 < ohsix> heh gpio reg reset value is 0x44444444
2016-12-27T10:37:01 < ohsix> bartekww: is that what is happening? it's less obvious what that code does in terms of the registers
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2016-12-27T10:37:18 < ohsix> phew
2016-12-27T10:38:29 < bartekww> i don't know
2016-12-27T10:40:37 < ohsix> http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~bhimebau/f3lib/html/stm32f30x__gpio_8h_source.html#l00168
2016-12-27T10:41:22 < ohsix> pin 8-15 are going to be caught in 0xFF00
2016-12-27T10:42:04 < ohsix> http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~bhimebau/f3lib/html/group__GPIO__Group1.html#ga71abf9404261370d03cca449b88d3a65
2016-12-27T10:43:12 < ohsix> that last link doesn't matter or help, but it is the code that applies GPIO_Pin to the registers
2016-12-27T10:44:04 < ohsix> ReadErr: have you looked at vests with cooling loops in them? any cheap ones on ali or anything?
2016-12-27T10:44:12 < ReadErr> nah 
2016-12-27T10:44:17 < ohsix> even without cooling, sending water thgouh it will be great
2016-12-27T10:45:01 < ohsix> hm
2016-12-27T10:45:07 < ohsix> heh
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2016-12-27T10:49:33 < Fleck> so guys, how would you do this... I play WAV, have 0x4000 buffer, filling by 0x2000 (half/complete callbacks), so PCM data ends w/o filling buffer, what to do? Fill other part with 0x00 ? Is that the correct way?
2016-12-27T10:49:55 < ohsix> ReadErr: lul almost dumb to talk about how much ice they make in terms of lbs/hr, it's so fast you could press a button whenever you were getting a drink
2016-12-27T10:50:14 < dongs> double buffer DMA but you're a faggot who ignores me so you can just SUCK MY DICK instead
2016-12-27T10:50:33 < ohsix> pcm ends withotu filling buffer?
2016-12-27T10:50:34 < jpa-> Fleck: usually fill with 0x7F so that it remains in the middle
2016-12-27T10:50:53 < jpa-> Fleck: but fill with whatever value you would leave the value after the sound anyway
2016-12-27T10:51:18 < ohsix> oh you mean it keeps running playing nothing when you haven't prepped something to play?
2016-12-27T10:51:27 < Fleck> nope it plays old part :P
2016-12-27T10:51:33 < Fleck> I need to "clear" it
2016-12-27T10:51:37 < Fleck> fill with silence ;P
2016-12-27T10:51:46 < ohsix> o i c
2016-12-27T10:52:00 < Fleck> thanks jpa- will try that! :)
2016-12-27T10:52:01 < ohsix> yea you need to prep what to play ond ma completion, if that's nothing then ya
2016-12-27T10:52:03 < ohsix> or stop dma
2016-12-27T10:52:36 < Fleck> well, stoping DMA in that pos would not be easy afaik
2016-12-27T10:52:53 < jpa-> it's possible but easier just to fill
2016-12-27T10:52:58 < ohsix> oh
2016-12-27T10:52:59 < Fleck> if buff is 0x4000 and I have 0x3000 with data...
2016-12-27T10:53:07 < Fleck> and 0x1000 is old samples :D
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2016-12-27T10:54:01 < ohsix> right right
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2016-12-27T10:54:51 < ohsix> can yo uchange it when you've filled a partial buffer to end after n?
2016-12-27T10:55:05 < ohsix> if you play more, pick back up at n and enable half/comp again
2016-12-27T10:55:17 < ohsix> otherwise stop when it gets to n
2016-12-27T10:55:27 < ohsix> dunno much about the dma controller
2016-12-27T10:56:14 < jpa-> it is possible, but why bother
2016-12-27T10:56:16 < Fleck> for now I am looping one wav so I check if current position + half buffer is out of PCM data size, then read remaining and then start from begining
2016-12-27T10:56:17 < ohsix> that's over complicated anyways
2016-12-27T10:56:38 < Fleck> sounds cool! :P
2016-12-27T10:57:01 < ohsix> i'm all demand based in the brain now
2016-12-27T10:57:15 < Fleck> no clue what that means
2016-12-27T10:57:16 < ohsix> if no audio, then 'audio' is silence samples, and dma engine keeps working with cbs
2016-12-27T10:57:30 < ohsix> just a different way to think about moving the data around
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2016-12-27T10:59:01 < ohsix> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D31jZLHRnsY/T9bLI23onbI/AAAAAAAAHrA/ZUA4fvrslrs/s1600/IMG_5109.jpg huhuh that's a cool car door, just saw a kaiser in the man in the high castle
2016-12-27T10:59:52 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbQ6cw2j1zg
2016-12-27T11:01:02 < ohsix> wank clickbait and bullshit dude doing it, but they talk about the doors and have shots
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2016-12-27T11:17:32 < bartekww> dongs: are you here?
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2016-12-27T11:18:53 < ReadErr> bless your heart
2016-12-27T11:19:12 < ohsix> dear friend
2016-12-27T11:19:55 < ReadErr> you should be like "dongs: <insert question>"
2016-12-27T11:20:00 < ReadErr> irc101
2016-12-27T11:20:13 < ReadErr> maybe someone else knows
2016-12-27T11:20:31 < ReadErr> or he could reply 15 minutes later and you dont notice and you wasted 30mins
2016-12-27T11:20:43 < stvn> the logs mate
2016-12-27T11:21:38 < stvn> brother steffan should publish a printed log book
2016-12-27T11:21:49 < ReadErr> yea like a monthly journal 
2016-12-27T11:22:10 < stvn> indeed
2016-12-27T11:22:10 < ReadErr> people would buy subscriptions im sure 
2016-12-27T11:23:43 < stvn> i'd buy that for a dollar
2016-12-27T11:23:58 < ReadErr> wouldja now?
2016-12-27T11:24:03 < stvn> probably
2016-12-27T11:24:23 < ReadErr> do you guys know this chatter on efnet, 'efs' / 'efsenable' 
2016-12-27T11:24:44 < stvn> nah
2016-12-27T11:24:53 < stvn> i don't know about the ircverse
2016-12-27T11:24:59 < ReadErr> http://vocaroo.com/i/s06xFmIQRUQN
2016-12-27T11:25:04 < ReadErr> lol
2016-12-27T11:25:09 < stvn> hmm
2016-12-27T11:25:10 < stvn> is it funny?
2016-12-27T11:25:23 < ReadErr> its sperge on max
2016-12-27T11:25:26 < stvn> does this efs character have an ED page?
2016-12-27T11:25:35 < ReadErr> he might
2016-12-27T11:25:36 < ReadErr> idk
2016-12-27T11:25:52 < stvn> man there are some munted cunts on that site hey
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2016-12-27T11:29:41 < dongs> bartekww: yes
2016-12-27T11:52:38 < Thorn> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1j4IjLFXXXXaoaXXXq6xXFXXXc/222224110/HTB1j4IjLFXXXXaoaXXXq6xXFXXXc.jpg CUSTOMER IS GOD
2016-12-27T11:52:57 < Thorn> actually CUSTOMERS lol
2016-12-27T11:53:52 < stvn> eigenfunctions
2016-12-27T11:54:01 < dongs> haha
2016-12-27T11:55:59 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gat_aSzi5Y
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2016-12-27T12:16:48 < stvn> the farken pole vector mate
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2016-12-27T12:22:18 < Thorn> you have a board that rotates. you need to supply power (5W) and data (say SPI, 1 Mbit/s) to it. how?
2016-12-27T12:22:42 < kOStiX> you could use couple of ball bearing on a non metalic center rod
2016-12-27T12:22:51 < Lambda-Aurigae> slip rings
2016-12-27T12:22:59 < Lambda-Aurigae> although, spi would be noisy as hell.
2016-12-27T12:23:11 < Lambda-Aurigae> power would be easy via slip rings.
2016-12-27T12:23:21 < Lambda-Aurigae> and use some wireless connection for data.
2016-12-27T12:23:27 < kOStiX> data might be better by IR or wireless
2016-12-27T12:23:58 < Lambda-Aurigae> depending on how much rotation there is always the spring cable method.
2016-12-27T12:24:12 < Lambda-Aurigae> not sure what it's really called...
2016-12-27T12:25:34 < Lambda-Aurigae> like a clock spring...wires wound around and around so as you turn it one way they tighten and turn it the other they loosen....you can get multiple rotations before having to go back.
2016-12-27T12:26:05 < stvn> like how a steering wheel works
2016-12-27T12:26:10 < Lambda-Aurigae> yeah
2016-12-27T12:26:41 < Lambda-Aurigae> I've done that before with a 40 pin ribbon cable to a device that needed greater than 360 degree rotation.
2016-12-27T12:29:09 < Lambda-Aurigae> for lower speed data, say in the 9600bps range, I've done slip rings with multiple contact points on each ring to cut out noise.
2016-12-27T12:29:39 < Lambda-Aurigae> slip rings do tend to wear and corrode though.
2016-12-27T12:30:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> good enough for power if you filter the heck out of it before feeding it into the final circuit though.
2016-12-27T12:30:44 < Lambda-Aurigae> there are several wireless solutions one could use.
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2016-12-27T12:31:05 < Lambda-Aurigae> center hole with IR comms through the hole
2016-12-27T12:31:28 < Lambda-Aurigae> go 2.4GHz with nrf or esp chips.
2016-12-27T12:32:18 < Lambda-Aurigae> bluetooth modules
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2016-12-27T12:36:47 < Lambda-Aurigae> or you could use a modulated tesla coil and spark gap receiver....bandwidth might not be the best though.
2016-12-27T12:38:16 < kOStiX> they also sell these cheap 433mhz transmitter/receiver kits
2016-12-27T12:39:23 < kOStiX> http://www.ebay.com/itm/433Mhz-RF-Transmitter-And-Receiver-Link-Kit-For-Arduino-ARM-MC-U-Remote-Control-/262663780956?hash=item3d27fb3a5c:g:MyYAAOSwPCVX-FEI
2016-12-27T12:39:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> that too.
2016-12-27T12:39:47 < Lambda-Aurigae> everything is for freacking ardweeny these days.
2016-12-27T12:40:07 < Lambda-Aurigae> shit, we used those long before ardweeny was shat upon the world.
2016-12-27T12:40:10 < Thorn> can you print these slip rings on a pcb and have acceptable lifetime?
2016-12-27T12:40:15 < kOStiX> its pure marketing hehe
2016-12-27T12:40:21 < stvn> it would be the cleanest, best pleasure.
2016-12-27T12:40:32 < Lambda-Aurigae> Thorn, depends on how much rotation you intend to do.
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2016-12-27T12:40:53 < Thorn> well say a few rps continuously
2016-12-27T12:41:06 < Lambda-Aurigae> that will wear out in a week or three.
2016-12-27T12:41:23 < Thorn> oklol
2016-12-27T12:41:28 < Lambda-Aurigae> use actual rings of brass or copper.
2016-12-27T12:41:44 < Lambda-Aurigae> like, 2 or 3 mm thick.
2016-12-27T12:42:15 < Lambda-Aurigae> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/401051779987?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
2016-12-27T12:42:17 < Lambda-Aurigae> or buy that
2016-12-27T12:43:10 < Lambda-Aurigae> http://www.ebay.com/bhp/wind-turbine-slip-ring   or that if you want lots of power.
2016-12-27T12:43:33 < stvn> all my autistic fantasies exploded 
2016-12-27T12:44:17 < bartekww> how i can set gpio A9 using register?
2016-12-27T12:44:20 < bartekww> and reset it
2016-12-27T12:44:22 < Lambda-Aurigae> http://www.electro-miniatures.com/HowSlipRingWorks.shtml
2016-12-27T12:44:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> good picture of slip ring insides too.
2016-12-27T12:51:15 < Lambda-Aurigae> http://hertaville.com/stm32f0-gpio-tutorial-part-1.html    bartekww, not sure if this is quite what you are looking for, but,,,
2016-12-27T12:52:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> from what I'm seeing, and I'm only a beginner here, you have to initialize things first then you can turn the pins on and off.
2016-12-27T12:52:40 < Lambda-Aurigae> much more complex than doing so with an AVR or PIC
2016-12-27T12:53:13 < bartekww> i want set pin to output,set it low, sleep for 88µS,set it high, sleep 8µS, put it low and switch pin mode to uart
2016-12-27T12:54:50 < kOStiX> have you checked the reference manual? there are procedures to do whatever with all of the peripherics
2016-12-27T12:55:23 < Lambda-Aurigae> bartekww, that link shows how to enable gpio functionality and turn a pin on and off.
2016-12-27T12:55:38 < Lambda-Aurigae> and has a nice(not) blocking delay function.
2016-12-27T12:58:30 < bartekww> i need timer delay
2016-12-27T13:07:17 < Lambda-Aurigae> need need
2016-12-27T13:07:20 < Lambda-Aurigae> so set one up.
2016-12-27T13:09:36 < stvn> i feel somebody is going to jump out of a helicopter and through my window then force a beer down my throat
2016-12-27T13:09:49 < Lambda-Aurigae> or should I do some more google searching and find a tutorial on timers for you too?
2016-12-27T13:10:29 < Lambda-Aurigae> stvn, I'm doubting the helicopter part...the forcing beer down your throat I can see you doing to yourself, so, you are somebody and all,,,
2016-12-27T13:10:58 < stvn> lol
2016-12-27T13:12:25 < Lambda-Aurigae> aaawwww man!
2016-12-27T13:12:33 < Lambda-Aurigae> that tweet about brittany spears being dead
2016-12-27T13:12:36 < Lambda-Aurigae> was a fake.
2016-12-27T13:12:38 < stvn> duh
2016-12-27T13:12:43 < Lambda-Aurigae> oh well, guess the party is off.
2016-12-27T13:12:48 < stvn> too good to be true 
2016-12-27T13:12:52 < Lambda-Aurigae> yeah.
2016-12-27T13:13:10 < Lambda-Aurigae> specially as I have twitter blocked at my firewall and have never actually been on the site in the last 8 years.
2016-12-27T13:13:25 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-27T13:13:56 < stvn> i wonder what else you have blocked
2016-12-27T13:14:38 < Lambda-Aurigae> facebook, instagram
2016-12-27T13:15:14 < Lambda-Aurigae> a whole bevy of antisocial networking sites like that.
2016-12-27T13:17:15 < Lambda-Aurigae> but, I'm a bastard.  Just ask anybody who has met me!
2016-12-27T13:18:05 < Lambda-Aurigae> my first wife actually said I was as bad as Hitler.   I felt so put down.  I'm much worse than him in some ways.
2016-12-27T13:18:18 < stvn> how many jews did you kill?
2016-12-27T13:21:16 < Fleck> how one plays two audiofiles (PCM streams) at the same time? OR them together?
2016-12-27T13:21:35 < kOStiX> you sum them
2016-12-27T13:22:26 < kOStiX> http://dsp-book.narod.ru/soundproc.pdf
2016-12-27T13:22:32 < kOStiX> here is a nice doc
2016-12-27T13:22:43 < kOStiX> on page 24 it actually speaks bout mixing
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2016-12-27T13:24:52 < stvn> the equations
2016-12-27T13:25:42 < kOStiX> simple mix would be (channel1 + channel2) / 2
2016-12-27T13:28:45 < kOStiX> the division could be avoided if you can allow for a higher resolution result
2016-12-27T13:30:36 < stvn> but i want my sound now
2016-12-27T13:35:30  * stvn plays a pan flute
2016-12-27T13:36:20 < Lambda-Aurigae> stvn, I got no problem with jews.  It's mormons that catch in my craw.
2016-12-27T13:37:28 < stvn> i see
2016-12-27T13:37:31 < stvn> well fuck them all
2016-12-27T13:38:43 < Lambda-Aurigae> pretty much.
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2016-12-27T13:45:06 < ReadErr> mormons are so fucking weird 
2016-12-27T13:46:04 < Lambda-Aurigae> yes.
2016-12-27T13:46:11 < stvn> i want physics mate
2016-12-27T13:46:20 < Lambda-Aurigae> christians in general are...mormons exceptionally so.
2016-12-27T13:48:56 < stvn> fuck em
2016-12-27T13:49:06 < stvn> we here follow stm32
2016-12-27T13:49:43 < ReadErr> do any good biker P this weekend stvn 
2016-12-27T13:50:08 < stvn> n
2016-12-27T13:50:12 < stvn> no drugs
2016-12-27T13:50:13 < stvn> no booze
2016-12-27T13:50:21 < ReadErr> wow, you sick?
2016-12-27T13:50:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> same here.
2016-12-27T13:50:42 < stvn> nah
2016-12-27T13:50:42 < stvn> i'm well
2016-12-27T13:50:47 < stvn> where is steffan mate
2016-12-27T13:50:48 < Lambda-Aurigae> no drugs stronger than tylenol that aren't prescribed by a doctor.
2016-12-27T13:50:57 < Lambda-Aurigae> no alcohol...fucks with my blood sugar.
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2016-12-27T13:51:17 < ReadErr> Lambda-Aurigae: thats pretty mormon of you
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2016-12-27T13:51:30 < Lambda-Aurigae> well, the alcohol part is to keep me alive.
2016-12-27T13:51:40 < ReadErr> got the 'betus ?
2016-12-27T13:51:54 < Lambda-Aurigae> the drugs part is a holdover from my childhood....best friend died from pot laced with pcp
2016-12-27T13:52:51 < Lambda-Aurigae> I was raised catholic
2016-12-27T13:53:25 < Lambda-Aurigae> converted to mormon to get in the pants of the 16 year old daughter of my operations supervisor(they were mormon).....
2016-12-27T13:53:27 < Lambda-Aurigae> yes, it worked.
2016-12-27T13:53:39 < Lambda-Aurigae> then I learned to think for myself.
2016-12-27T13:53:40 < ReadErr> did you have to wife it ?
2016-12-27T13:53:45 < Lambda-Aurigae> naaa.
2016-12-27T13:53:54 < Lambda-Aurigae> almost got me courts martialled though.
2016-12-27T13:53:55 < ReadErr> she musta not been too hardcore
2016-12-27T13:54:18 < ReadErr> or did you pull the whole "butt doesnt count" 
2016-12-27T13:54:28 < Lambda-Aurigae> luckily, she was a civilian,,and we were in australia where 16 is legal age.
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2016-12-27T13:55:42 < ReadErr> stvn is pretty hardcore australian 
2016-12-27T13:55:58 < ReadErr> his CD players smoke cigs
2016-12-27T13:56:02 < Lambda-Aurigae> most aussies are.
2016-12-27T13:56:08 < Lambda-Aurigae> I had lots of fun down under.
2016-12-27T13:56:20 < Lambda-Aurigae> would love to go back someday.
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2016-12-27T14:11:21 < stvn> the 'betus
2016-12-27T14:11:22 < stvn> lol
2016-12-27T14:11:33 < Lambda-Aurigae> have at least 2 of those.
2016-12-27T14:11:38 < stvn> i see
2016-12-27T14:11:40 < Lambda-Aurigae> dia-betus
2016-12-27T14:11:49 < stvn> hmmm
2016-12-27T14:11:55 < stvn> a diabeetus
2016-12-27T14:13:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> why the fuck do they have to ruin perfectly ok movies with idiot rap crap?
2016-12-27T14:14:17 < stvn> dunno
2016-12-27T14:14:17 < stvn> something to do with ebonics
2016-12-27T14:14:22 < Lambda-Aurigae> am watching "Deadpool"
2016-12-27T14:14:37 < Lambda-Aurigae> ebonics is the ebola of language.
2016-12-27T14:15:42 < stvn> yes
2016-12-27T14:16:13 < Lambda-Aurigae> It doesn't help that my grandmother was an English teacher.
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2016-12-27T14:18:40 < Lambda-Aurigae> that bad, eh?
2016-12-27T14:21:12 < ReadErr> nah stvn is just weird 
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2016-12-27T14:36:11 < dongs> so leelooman ragequits and now we have a new antisocial suicidal ex-cuck who also doesn't do STM32
2016-12-27T14:36:56 < dongs> i wonder if o6 dragged it in here
2016-12-27T14:38:12 < ReadErr> lol what did you do to leelo ?
2016-12-27T14:38:28 < dongs> i dunno that.. thing has been idle for weeks
2016-12-27T14:39:26 < Lambda-Aurigae> LeelooMinai was active last night.
2016-12-27T14:39:55 < dongs> im certainly glad you logged that fact.
2016-12-27T14:40:06 < Lambda-Aurigae> 5000 lines of scrollback.
2016-12-27T14:40:19 < Lambda-Aurigae> and I log everything.
2016-12-27T14:40:38 < dongs> i bet you do
2016-12-27T14:44:35 < Lambda-Aurigae> it's a sickness.  I can't help myself.
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2016-12-27T14:53:43 < KolK> Hello, I have problem with WWDG on my stm32f429zi. My program generated with STM32CubeMX end in WWDG_IRQHandler. I tried to disable WWDG clock, but there is no difference.
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2016-12-27T14:54:25 < jpa-> KolK: maybe it is really ending up in default handler, which is aliased to all the handlers by default
2016-12-27T14:54:44 < jpa-> you can use "info register" or similar command to get the PSR value, the lowest 8 bits indicate which interrupt it really is
2016-12-27T15:11:46 < KolK> jpa-: xPSR           0x1000003
2016-12-27T15:12:18 < KolK> so it means that I should look for third element in g_pfnVectors?
2016-12-27T15:12:27 < jpa-> that means you are in hardfault
2016-12-27T15:12:40 < jpa-> look into SCB->CFSR to see the reason why you are there
2016-12-27T15:12:53 < jpa-> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/jtag/armv7m-macros.gdb   or use this
2016-12-27T15:13:39 < jpa-> (and yeah, it also means the 3rd element in vector table)
2016-12-27T15:14:52 < dongs> ofuck
2016-12-27T15:15:01 < dongs> was cleaning office and found ancient box of my -discovery boards
2016-12-27T15:15:07 < dongs> i *thought* i had all these somewhre
2016-12-27T15:15:13 < Lambda-Aurigae> you did.
2016-12-27T15:15:19 < Lambda-Aurigae> just not where you thought you thought you had them.
2016-12-27T15:16:42 < dongs> f3-discovery + STM8L-discovery - stm32-discovery - stm32f0-discovery + some weird wixel RF shits
2016-12-27T15:17:15 < KolK> jpa-: thank you very much
2016-12-27T15:28:52 < Rob235> anyone use an armv8?
2016-12-27T15:28:58 < Rob235> st have any?
2016-12-27T15:30:14 < dongs> http://caps0ff.blogspot.jp/2016/12/taking-down-45-tatakae-big-fighter.html wtf
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2016-12-27T15:45:38 < sync_> interestng dongs 
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2016-12-27T16:12:35 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/c273f7891b8d44bd89c5a7f40b268e48e3d6e28a4b91ee6afe193d2526bbeae0.webm/pack%20of%20feral%20jews.webm
2016-12-27T16:13:07 < Rob235> that cant be real
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2016-12-27T16:23:18 < Lambda-Aurigae> off to watch Rogue One
2016-12-27T16:23:39 < Lambda-Aurigae> someone heard I wanted to go to the movies and gave me a gift card to the crappiest movie theaters in the area..
2016-12-27T16:23:53 < Lambda-Aurigae> so, I have 50 dollars to spend on crappy movies and, hopefully, good popcorn.
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2016-12-27T16:42:25 <@englishman> quality stm32 chats last nite
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2016-12-27T18:43:26 < Rob235> where can I buy an ARMv8 w/ 2+ MB L2 cache
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2016-12-27T19:07:47 < kakimir> mercedes C series 270cdi.. anything bad to say englishman ?
2016-12-27T19:08:21 < kakimir> talking about 2000-2005 and automatic
2016-12-27T19:09:15 < kakimir> my fathers merc has 450kkm on it and gearbox doesn't seem bad at all
2016-12-27T19:09:22 < kakimir> 320cdi
2016-12-27T19:10:15 <@englishman> sounds like a liability
2016-12-27T19:10:29 <@englishman> German luxury car at the end of its life
2016-12-27T19:11:58 < kakimir> it is
2016-12-27T19:12:30 < kakimir> prices going down tell it quite clearly
2016-12-27T19:13:07 < kakimir> but like my friends volvo had gearbox clearly going at just 300kkm
2016-12-27T19:13:22 < kakimir> merc doesn't have any signs yet
2016-12-27T19:13:40 < kakimir> *multiple volvos at that mileage
2016-12-27T19:14:54 < kakimir> that merc engine makes nice boat engine or something after the gearbox goes
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2016-12-27T19:19:41 < Rob235> can you buy arm a53/57 or a72/73 chips?
2016-12-27T19:20:12 < kakimir> printf("%0*.*f", 1, 1, 0.0);
2016-12-27T19:20:35 < kakimir> prints 0.0
2016-12-27T19:21:52 < dongs> are you dumb
2016-12-27T19:22:18 < jpa->  undefined behaviour results in strange results
2016-12-27T19:23:17 < kakimir> I'm in undefined range?
2016-12-27T19:23:40 < kakimir> I may need to do some special case of 0.0
2016-12-27T19:23:42 < jpa-> yes, "1" is not a floating point number
2016-12-27T19:23:53 < jpa-> or hmm
2016-12-27T19:23:56 < jpa-> ah, *.*
2016-12-27T19:23:58 < kakimir> it is a parameter
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2016-12-27T19:24:02 < jpa-> who uses that crap
2016-12-27T19:24:04 < kakimir> width
2016-12-27T19:24:19 < kakimir> it's perfect?
2016-12-27T19:24:20 < jpa-> isn't 0.0 correct output?
2016-12-27T19:24:33 < kakimir> maybe it is
2016-12-27T19:24:39 < kakimir> I need to go to sauna>
2016-12-27T19:24:51 < Rob235> anyone? where do I find 64 bit arm chips :)
2016-12-27T19:24:53 < Tectu> Tectu
2016-12-27T19:25:01 < kakimir> and hot tub
2016-12-27T19:25:52 < jpa-> Rob235: why do you want it in chips and not modules?
2016-12-27T19:26:29 < Rob235> what do you mean by module? thats probably what I want
2016-12-27T19:30:42 < Rob235> all I want is 64 bit proc, 2+ MB L2 cache.  on the board I want that along with a fpga, ethernet, and power supply
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2016-12-27T19:32:44 < jpa-> Rob235: you don't want ram or flash? :P
2016-12-27T19:32:58 < Rob235> you know what I mean... plus the necessary boring shit
2016-12-27T19:33:16 < Rob235> I don't need much ram at all with the cache
2016-12-27T19:34:05 < jpa-> https://www.olimex.com/Products/Components/IC/A64/   olimex seems to sell the chips for some reason
2016-12-27T19:35:01 < Rob235> what is that? hah
2016-12-27T19:35:50 < Rob235> it only has 512 l2 cache
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2016-12-27T19:37:17 < dongs> Rob235: you dont need them
2016-12-27T19:37:21 < Rob235> ?
2016-12-27T19:37:31 < dongs> but if you insist, http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=123
2016-12-27T19:40:16 < Rob235> thats 512 also
2016-12-27T19:40:27 < dongs> ?
2016-12-27T19:40:29 < dongs> 512what
2016-12-27T19:40:39 < Rob235> 1MB shared
2016-12-27T19:40:41 < Rob235> L2 cache
2016-12-27T19:40:45 < dongs> the fuck does it even matter
2016-12-27T19:40:46 < Rob235> the only thing ive been talking about
2016-12-27T19:41:05 < Rob235> because it does, just because you feel like ignoring a spec I require doesn't mean anything
2016-12-27T19:42:56 < Rob235> 2MB+ shared L2 is a requirement, thats what I can't find
2016-12-27T19:43:08 < Rob235> so I'll make my own board if necessary
2016-12-27T19:43:16 < Rob235> but I can't even find the processors
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2016-12-27T19:44:17 < dongs> why is it a requirement
2016-12-27T19:45:05 < Rob235> I don't want to get into it but its a must. If thats not enough info for you then I guess I'll look for help elsewhere
2016-12-27T19:45:25 < dongs> i asked a guy who makes weird embedded hardware if he has something for you.
2016-12-27T19:45:30 < dongs> but i guess hes asleep.
2016-12-27T19:45:37 < Rob235> ahh, thanks anyway
2016-12-27T19:46:25 < dongs> teh reply will arrive
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2016-12-27T19:46:27 < dongs> just not as fast as you want.
2016-12-27T19:46:30 < Rob235> I know A53/A57 can come in 2MB, why is it so hard to find them, I dont get it
2016-12-27T19:46:31 < Rob235> oh ok
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2016-12-27T19:47:46 < Rob235> 2MB bram on a fpga would be great if it didn't cost a grand
2016-12-27T19:48:04 < Tectu> still not sure what exactly you want to do, Rob235 
2016-12-27T19:48:09 < BrainDamage> don't get builin ram, done
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2016-12-27T19:48:26 < BrainDamage> Tectu: were you hit by the foen too or were you in the shadow zone?
2016-12-27T19:48:48 < jpa-> ah Rob235 is the guy with "need ultra-fast 2MB ram" obsession
2016-12-27T19:48:49 < Rob235> I'm not saying what I want to do.  I don't want to get laughed at :P but I need 2MB+ of really fast ram
2016-12-27T19:48:50 < Tectu> BrainDamage, I live in the main foen area
2016-12-27T19:49:00 < Tectu> BrainDamage, doesn't get much more foeny than here
2016-12-27T19:49:09 < BrainDamage> 20°C today
2016-12-27T19:49:16 < Tectu> jpa-, reminds me of that french bvernoux guy
2016-12-27T19:49:23 < Tectu> BrainDamage, holy shit
2016-12-27T19:49:28 < jpa-> don't reming me about him
2016-12-27T19:49:31 < Tectu> BrainDamage, it's not that bad here, but really bad though
2016-12-27T19:49:32 < Tectu> jpa-, sorry :p
2016-12-27T19:49:39 < Tectu> jpa-, Rob235 would be a great match for him
2016-12-27T19:50:18 < Rob235> thats very nice of you, thanks
2016-12-27T19:50:38 < Tectu> huh? nobody said something un-nice.
2016-12-27T19:50:57 < Rob235> jpa-:	don't reming me about him
2016-12-27T19:51:24 < Tectu> BrainDamage, so I guess you are biking around all day with these temps?
2016-12-27T19:51:27 < jpa-> ah, sorry about the typo
2016-12-27T19:51:34 < BrainDamage> Tectu: yep, in tshirt
2016-12-27T19:51:50 < Tectu> BrainDamage, I have a week of vacation - just sayin'
2016-12-27T19:51:52 < BrainDamage> but won't last more than 1- 2 days
2016-12-27T19:51:53 < aandrew> Rob235: it's trivial to throw DDR on to an FPGA board, why bother with tons of BRAM?
2016-12-27T19:52:08 < jpa-> because he needs jiggabytes per second of bandwidth
2016-12-27T19:52:13 < BrainDamage> Tectu: sec, i'm on a phone call
2016-12-27T19:52:21 < Tectu> BrainDamage, I'm semi-afk too.
2016-12-27T19:52:27 < aandrew> generally speaking if you're looking for something that odesn't exist it's becuase you've got a wrong-headed approach to the problem you're trying to solve
2016-12-27T19:52:34 < Tectu> that ^
2016-12-27T19:52:35 < aandrew> just as a general rule, not an absolute one
2016-12-27T19:52:38 < Tectu> engineering 101 by aandrew 
2016-12-27T19:52:41 < Tectu> (seriously)
2016-12-27T19:52:42 < dongs> Rob235: omg, intel braswell has 2M L2 cache
2016-12-27T19:52:51 < jpa-> even better clue is that "i don't want to tell my plan because you'll laugh"
2016-12-27T19:53:19 < dongs> guys, i got it https://media.giphy.com/media/peqUP2xdeIHG8/giphy.gif
2016-12-27T19:53:38 < Rob235> meh
2016-12-27T19:54:20 < aandrew> jpa-: oh god the number of clients with that
2016-12-27T19:54:30 < aandrew> "please sign this ironclad NDA before i will even discuss my idea with you
2016-12-27T19:55:17 < dongs> please lock me in a small room and open the gas valve
2016-12-27T19:55:24 < aandrew> lol
2016-12-27T19:55:55 < aandrew> I love reading online comments
2016-12-27T19:56:00 < dongs> should prboly sleep. 3am
2016-12-27T19:56:15 < aandrew> I usually see "walla" and it makes me laugh. today I see "vwalla"
2016-12-27T19:56:18 < Rob235> well in about a week my fpga dev kit should arrive and I'll figure out how fast ddr3 is
2016-12-27T19:56:31 < aandrew> Rob235: what are you doing that needs so much memory bandwidth?
2016-12-27T19:57:26 < aandrew> someone goes off on the "vwalla" and someone else writes "dude it's a post about a keyboard, not a Tolstoy novel"
2016-12-27T19:57:30 < Rob235> its not really bandwidth, I just need to store a lot of data in cache without page fault swapping every instruction
2016-12-27T19:58:01 < jpa-> page fault? what
2016-12-27T19:58:05 < Rob235> wrong term my bad
2016-12-27T19:58:10 < Fleck> ;P
2016-12-27T19:58:23 < dongs> the fuck is a vwalla
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2016-12-27T19:59:17 < dongs> anyway, Rob235 , https://www.solid-run.com/intel-braswell-family/solidpc-q4-carrier-board/ + polug your fpga into pcie. done
2016-12-27T19:59:30 < dongs> (he replied)
2016-12-27T20:00:23 < Rob235> interesting! thanks man
2016-12-27T20:00:27 < dongs> or make a carrier board w/fpga for teh SoM
2016-12-27T20:00:31 < dongs> https://www.solid-run.com/intel-braswell-family/braswell-som-system-on-module/
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2016-12-27T20:03:05 < dongs> http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/carrie-fisher-dead-at-60-w457711
2016-12-27T20:03:07 < dongs> RIP
2016-12-27T20:03:23 < Rob235> damn, I heard about the heart attack, didn't know it got her though
2016-12-27T20:03:54 < Rob235> 2016, the year that keeps on giving
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2016-12-27T20:07:15 < aandrew> dongs: vwalla is an americanized "voila"
2016-12-27T20:11:54 < dongs> fuck that shit
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2016-12-27T20:13:05 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a237db5ee4c15ab40c19afc040c98eeba44e5d60dfed1930fd41d9c2f319fff8.png
2016-12-27T20:13:20 < dongs> yawn
2016-12-27T20:13:23 < dongs> Laurenceb_: did you see my job post for oyu
2016-12-27T20:13:31 < Laurenceb_> nope?
2016-12-27T20:13:35 < dongs>  < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Manual-PCB-assembly-with-SMT/ attn Laurenceb
2016-12-27T20:13:38 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/cc4438ca9bc15b5febccf2cdf05bba98eff4eb3b58976e6d91799da6cfc3e6c2.png
2016-12-27T20:14:07 < dongs> all teh bidders are pakis
2016-12-27T20:14:11 < dongs> so this is an easy one for you
2016-12-27T20:14:11 < Laurenceb_> lul serious business
2016-12-27T20:14:20 < dongs> > You need to be local (London) to have access to the tools needed.
2016-12-27T20:14:34 < Laurenceb_> but just train to londonistan will cost me that much
2016-12-27T20:14:39 < dongs> haha
2016-12-27T20:14:44 < dongs> well get the fuck out of wales
2016-12-27T20:14:48 < dongs> or whever zano was
2016-12-27T20:15:10 < dongs> bedtime
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2016-12-27T20:32:28 < aandrew> lol hand assemble 0402 0201 x100 boards
2016-12-27T20:32:29 < aandrew> fuck that shit
2016-12-27T20:32:37 < aandrew> even for $1500
2016-12-27T20:32:54 < aandrew> hey LeelooMinai 
2016-12-27T20:33:10 < aandrew> welcome back, did you travel for the holiday?
2016-12-27T20:33:39 <@englishman> why does it have to be hand assembly
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2016-12-27T20:33:48 < aandrew> because freelancer
2016-12-27T20:34:04 < qyx> to be hip++, eco, raw, handmade
2016-12-27T20:34:10 <@englishman> that's about 3 days work for $1500, I'm sure Laurent could use the cash
2016-12-27T20:35:17 < aandrew> 100pcbs with 0201s? I think you underestimate the time required
2016-12-27T20:35:49 < aandrew> also I bet he's gonna want those boards to all work too which makes your time longer for inspection/touchups, especially since I'm willing to bet he has no test process in place to help you
2016-12-27T20:36:14 <@englishman> its only 1k parts right
2016-12-27T20:36:26 <@englishman> yeah including visual inspection
2016-12-27T20:36:56 < aandrew> if you're using a stencil you still have a mess with you place a part cockeyed or something, there's a LOT of cleanup involved in that
2016-12-27T20:37:00 < aandrew> stay the fuck away
2016-12-27T20:37:18 <@englishman> well I agree, especially since the bro designed something with 0201 and no way to assemble it
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2016-12-27T20:37:33 <@englishman> but if it was legit, I'd say 3 ish days
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2016-12-27T20:38:31 <@englishman> its likely kapton stencil and oshpark boards
2016-12-27T20:38:36 < aandrew> legit means you've got a proper stencil made and the machinery to do proper automated assembly and reflow, but still the AOI equipment will point out your soldering issues and touchups are still necessary
2016-12-27T20:38:51 < aandrew> I bet it's 3 days to set up the equipment properly and maybe 2h to run them
2016-12-27T20:39:06 < aandrew> you ain't doing plastic laser cut stencil with 0201s
2016-12-27T20:39:29 < aandrew> I like 0201 for LVDS termination. they are perfect
2016-12-27T20:39:53 < aandrew> there's a local (Markham) stencil place that does nice SS framed or frameless stencils on 24h turn for a decent price
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2016-12-27T20:40:09 < aandrew> I think a pair of frameless SS electropolished stencils was $100 including shipping
2016-12-27T20:40:23 < aandrew> IIRC 5mil
2016-12-27T20:41:27 < aandrew> that and when you're working with such fine pitch you have to be ont he top of your paste game too or it just becomes a mess
2016-12-27T20:42:05 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: sure but it's osh. I'd rather deal with someone closer and who communicates. I've largely stayed away from osh/dirtypcb/etc.
2016-12-27T20:43:37 < aandrew> *nods*
2016-12-27T20:43:59 < Thorn> >Quiescent Current: 4MA 
2016-12-27T20:45:08 < Thorn> wtf is going on with this MBI thing. I've got red and green leds connected to it. when any green one is on the red ones also illuminate a little
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2016-12-27T20:48:40 < Thorn> tested on 2 boards and all leds illuminate evenly so it's very likely a 'feature' of the chip
2016-12-27T20:49:20 < Thorn> mbi5024gp
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2016-12-27T20:55:49 <@englishman> aandrew: which is your Canadian (Ontario) stencil guy? Always interested in buying local
2016-12-27T20:56:35 <@englishman> $100 cdn for two framed stencils is a steal
2016-12-27T20:57:09 <@englishman> oh frameless, still good
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2016-12-27T21:40:30 < aandrew> englishman: http://www.stencilsunlimited.com/
2016-12-27T21:41:03 < aandrew> they aren't frameless exactly; theire' a specific type of frame that works with car-san's paste machine
2016-12-27T21:41:06 < aandrew> not sure what it's called
2016-12-27T21:42:15 < aandrew> I'm seriously considering freecancering an rpi/C# port
2016-12-27T21:42:36 < aandrew> I'll pay someone $200 to do a quick port of a .net project over to rpi to look right, then I'll finish it up
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2016-12-27T21:43:33 < aandrew> englishman: for some reason I keep thinking you're a brit. not sure why I think that :-)
2016-12-27T21:43:57 < BrainDamage> he still has the queen tought
2016-12-27T21:45:39 < aandrew> we'll always have the queen
2016-12-27T21:47:10 < BrainDamage> we exiled our
2016-12-27T21:47:58 < aandrew> where are you located?
2016-12-27T21:48:06 < BrainDamage> italy
2016-12-27T21:48:29 < aandrew> ah but you've got the patron saint Arduino
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2016-12-27T21:50:27 < BrainDamage> allow me to wat profusely
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2016-12-27T21:51:39 < aandrew> http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-use-arduino-1.png lol
2016-12-27T21:51:53 < aandrew> gonna get that on a t-shirt for dongs
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2016-12-27T22:17:10 < Steffanx> but fix the logo please aandrew, that compression is awful.
2016-12-27T22:17:13 <@englishman> aandrew: stencils unlimited is Canadian?
2016-12-27T22:17:24 <@englishman> I was going to order from them anyway
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2016-12-27T22:17:50 <@englishman> ain't no Queen here
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2016-12-27T22:23:15 < Thorn> it was my code. phew
2016-12-27T22:23:36 < aandrew> englishman: they are in Markham (north of Toronto)
2016-12-27T22:24:32 <@englishman> aandrew: cool, I just assumed since it was a company producing high quality product at a reasonable price and quickly, that they weren't Canadian
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2016-12-27T23:40:13 < Thorn> Steffanx: one weird thing about this brymen is that the banana sockets are deeply recessed. my China stackable plugs make contact 2mm before full insertion
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2016-12-27T23:50:42 < Thorn> >Note: The BSY flag must be used with caution
2016-12-27T23:54:44 < Steffanx> oh, thanks Thorn. Will see it soon enough, when i receive mine.
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2016-12-28T00:01:20 < karlp> sounds like something you'd love ;)
2016-12-28T00:03:05 < Thorn> the MBI has been fully exonerated.
2016-12-28T00:05:19 < karlp> aandrew: for .net to "pi" what sort of port are you looking for?
2016-12-28T00:05:29 < karlp> (can you not just run it with mono?)
2016-12-28T00:06:14 < qyx> triggered
2016-12-28T00:06:58 < qyx> I am also investigatig possibilities of a .net micro framework on a F4, but that's probably not what aandrew wants
2016-12-28T00:07:17 < karlp> .net micro on f4 is .... three years old or something isn't it?
2016-12-28T00:07:20 < karlp> or older?
2016-12-28T00:08:30 < qyx> probably, but so far I was lazy even to write it into google
2016-12-28T00:08:31 < karlp> .net is a runtime silly, could be any language
2016-12-28T00:08:45 < karlp> qyx netduino 2 was .net on stm32f2, 
2016-12-28T00:08:50 < karlp> it's that old :)
2016-12-28T00:09:06 < karlp> you and your preconceived notions of what "good" is :)
2016-12-28T00:09:12 < qyx> if it is or it isn't suitable is another story
2016-12-28T00:09:48 < qyx> I want to include two "scripting" frameworks into one bigger project, micropython and .net
2016-12-28T00:10:07 < karlp> qyx: here you go: with their trademark pastel blue pins: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11608
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2016-12-28T00:10:29 < karlp> LeelooMinai: again, you're preconceived notions of full retard are .... limiting 
2016-12-28T00:10:37 < qyx> I browsed some microsoft pages and such, but didn't do any work so far
2016-12-28T00:10:53 < karlp> qyx: or buy the fancy version from ST: http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm32f4-netmf.html
2016-12-28T00:11:14 < qyx> apperently it should be just a matter of writing some glue code
2016-12-28T00:11:15 < qyx> heh
2016-12-28T00:11:54 < qyx> they are kidding
2016-12-28T00:12:01 < qyx> F405 with enc28j60
2016-12-28T00:12:02 < Thorn> I wonder if 'duino' means anything in Italian. perhaps something profane. hopefully
2016-12-28T00:12:52 < karlp> my point is even that's an absurd restriction
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2016-12-28T00:13:11 < karlp> setting up the hardware for a cortex-m board is far far easier than any full soc,
2016-12-28T00:13:29 < karlp> so why should you restrict "just because" people from running things on cortex-m?
2016-12-28T00:13:34 < karlp> it's not _abuse_ it's _use_
2016-12-28T00:13:52 < karlp> people say the same thing about c++ you know...
2016-12-28T00:14:18 < qyx> I don't thing its abusing, the cortex is there for a reason
2016-12-28T00:14:43 < karlp> LeelooMinai: "final performance" is relative remember.
2016-12-28T00:14:53 < karlp> you're entering into that with these very very fixed notions again :)
2016-12-28T00:14:55 < qyx> and if I want user uploadable scripts, it is surely better idea than dynamic loading of compiled modules
2016-12-28T00:14:58 < qyx> or whatever
2016-12-28T00:17:07 < karlp> no. it's not.
2016-12-28T00:17:16 < karlp> it's letting them achieve _their_ goals
2016-12-28T00:17:24 < karlp> and you're being judgemental and narrowminded :)
2016-12-28T00:18:06 < qyx> and I do adore concepts and "suitability for a particular purpose".. but still I don't consider it abusing
2016-12-28T00:18:25 < qyx> so why is there such thing as Lua for example
2016-12-28T00:18:42 < qyx> when all the gamers around the worlds could write their mods in c++
2016-12-28T00:19:01 < qyx> it's surely slow and unsuitable for game development
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2016-12-28T00:20:55 < BrainDamage> Thorn: "ino" suffix is the diminutive form of something, "ardu" doesn't mean anything, altough it could be the root of the word "arduo" which means complex, difficult, hard to achieve
2016-12-28T00:21:58 < BrainDamage> Thorn: not as fun as the ftdi dev board called "vinculo", which is literally, "i'll fuck you all in the ass"
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2016-12-28T00:22:07 < qyx> like using SMA for all GPIO and power input like kakimir
2016-12-28T00:22:48 < karlp> LeelooMinai: I think your hammer analogy is flawed.
2016-12-28T00:23:23 < karlp> it's more like, "I'm smashing this single rivet, do I go and buy a special ball peen hammer, or do I finish the job in three minutes using the generic framing hammer I already have" 
2016-12-28T00:23:44 < karlp> "it's not what I'd do for 10k, but it's fast as shit for getting 5 done"
2016-12-28T00:24:44 < BrainDamage> the problem of those frameworks is that they don't scale, so while you can recycle c# knowledge, any semi-complex task will require you to can them and start again with c
2016-12-28T00:24:51 < Thorn> BrainDamage: my question was prompted by all the derivative names like netduino. I sort of hoped they're making fun of themselves in Italian lol
2016-12-28T00:25:27 < karlp> BrainDamage: hrm, depends on the task, often times it's "do the same thing, just do it in less cpu and flash by porting to C"
2016-12-28T00:25:38 < karlp> I know it's not always that easy of course
2016-12-28T00:26:24 < BrainDamage> i write myself prototypes for algos in high level languages
2016-12-28T00:26:53 < ohsix> Kliment: bad blower fan on printhead 0
2016-12-28T00:27:04 < ohsix> Kliment: loool, called lulzbot and they made me look at it
2016-12-28T00:27:10 < karlp> LeelooMinai: trying to improve the world, one narrowminded cannuck at a time ;)
2016-12-28T00:27:46 < BrainDamage> but i'm not sure if i'd try to use a high level language on a micro, i have the feeling i'd hit the framework limitations pretty soon
2016-12-28T00:28:18 < BrainDamage> granted, nothing quantitative, just a generalimpression from my experience
2016-12-28T00:28:37 < BrainDamage> then again i guess there's plenty of simple tasks where performnce dosn' matter
2016-12-28T00:28:49 < BrainDamage> ( as arduino demonstrates )
2016-12-28T00:29:12 < kOStiX> one can always do some inline assembler to optimize raw C
2016-12-28T00:29:35 < qyx> LeelooMinai: it is not, I can admit that, but find a better one.. I was not successful at this point
2016-12-28T00:30:54 < qyx> LeelooMinai: the talk started when I mentioned using .net MF or mycropython to get the ability to load "custom modules" or modifications into an existing system
2016-12-28T00:30:56 < kOStiX> hehe
2016-12-28T00:31:14 < karlp> I never said elegant LeelooMinai :)
2016-12-28T00:31:21 < ReadErr> did u get a printer for xmaz ohsix ?
2016-12-28T00:31:29 < zyp> < LeelooMinai> karlp: My point is, that if one wants to go silly and use python, etc. on microcontrollers, one can as well use SoC with lot's of ram etc. instead of trying to abuse Cortex-M.
2016-12-28T00:31:33 < zyp> LeelooMinai, why?
2016-12-28T00:31:44 < qyx> LeelooMinai: because I was not talking about using raw F4 port of NMF to do everything
2016-12-28T00:31:47 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: dongs thought you died
2016-12-28T00:31:49 < ReadErr> he cares.
2016-12-28T00:33:16 < karlp> and there we go, LeelooMinai goes off on the assumed hatred again.
2016-12-28T00:33:57 < qyx> LeelooMinai: I agree with you that grabbing a NMF compatible board and doing the work in c# is not an elegant solution, but again, I did not find any more elegant solution to do runtime custom loadable modules
2016-12-28T00:34:19 < qyx> there are no women on the irc
2016-12-28T00:35:08 < qyx> but yes, I remember there was much hate about jeri
2016-12-28T00:35:21 < qyx> and the other EE girl
2016-12-28T00:35:26 < qyx> I don't remember the name
2016-12-28T00:37:11 < BrainDamage> well, the medium is genderless, the moment you state a preference you open yourself to all the criticism, be it deserved or not, you can be an apache attack helicopter and it doesn't make a difference until you say so, but stating it also implies that you somewhat care, so it also makes you a good target
2016-12-28T00:37:39 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: I would say, r2com 
2016-12-28T00:37:42 < ReadErr> is most suspect of that
2016-12-28T00:37:47 < BrainDamage> on top of that you also seem to enjoy a bit the confrontation ...
2016-12-28T00:37:51 < ReadErr> shooting from the hip
2016-12-28T00:38:23 < zyp> LeelooMinai, it's genderless until you state a gender
2016-12-28T00:39:46 < qyx> interesting how the talk turned when I tried to use sarcasm
2016-12-28T00:39:59 < zyp> then don't pick a «gendered» nick
2016-12-28T00:42:19 < ReadErr> qyx: hackerkitten ?
2016-12-28T00:42:21 < ReadErr> or w/e
2016-12-28T00:42:31 < qyx> wut
2016-12-28T00:42:36 < ReadErr> ah that
2016-12-28T00:42:39 < ReadErr> or ladyada
2016-12-28T00:43:23 < qyx> ReadErr: don't know, she was living on youtubes
2016-12-28T00:46:48 < ReadErr> iJUSTINE 
2016-12-28T00:46:59 < Steffanx> iReadErr
2016-12-28T00:47:06 < ReadErr> hi mr Steffanx 
2016-12-28T00:47:23 < ReadErr> ordered parts for my new STM32 project
2016-12-28T00:48:24 < ReadErr> need to find a swanky esp8266 driver for kawaiiOS
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2016-12-28T01:13:27 < qyx> hm, the MP code uses a single global *stack_top variable it seems
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2016-12-28T02:08:35 <@englishman> lol jeri eeliswith?
2016-12-28T02:08:45 <@englishman> how unrelevant to stm32 can you get
2016-12-28T02:10:52 <@englishman> great ontopic chats everyone
2016-12-28T02:11:01 <@englishman> good job getting baited by sjw agenda-pushers
2016-12-28T02:12:10 <@englishman> maybe its time to take out the trash
2016-12-28T02:12:20 < kOStiX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGQHQUdO9c   check this out guys, been designing these synths for a while now, based on the stm32f103
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2016-12-28T02:13:55 < fenugrec> hahahahaha
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2016-12-28T02:14:35 <@englishman> lol lambda immediately /msg
2016-12-28T02:15:21 < zyp> what did lambda do anyway?
2016-12-28T02:15:28 <@englishman> creepy as fuck
2016-12-28T02:15:28 < zyp> I haven't been paying attention
2016-12-28T02:15:40 <@englishman> even less stm32 chats than barktekww
2016-12-28T02:15:43 < fenugrec> I had a /block , I missed all the drama
2016-12-28T02:15:56 <@englishman> the kind of chatter to lash out randomly
2016-12-28T02:16:10 < zyp> heh
2016-12-28T02:16:26 <@englishman> im surprised zyp you fell into leeloos games
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2016-12-28T02:18:22 < zyp> sometimes I'm in the mood for wasting time
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2016-12-28T02:18:47 < englishman> ah
2016-12-28T02:19:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> tbh  kOStiX, I'm just jealous of the enclsoure
2016-12-28T02:19:13 < englishman> im ordering parts for my latest stm32 project, 1st production batch tomorrow
2016-12-28T02:19:16 < englishman> quite excitedd
2016-12-28T02:19:22 < qyx> related to the previous talk, duktape.org looks promising, porting seems to be fairly easy
2016-12-28T02:19:35 < kOStiX> thanks man, all hand work hehe
2016-12-28T02:20:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> Looks damn slick
2016-12-28T02:20:31 < englishman> holy shit kOStiX didnt realize that was your video
2016-12-28T02:20:34 < englishman> very cool stuff
2016-12-28T02:21:01 < Jak_o_Shadows> You have more ADC inputs than I can have on my joystick
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2016-12-28T02:21:31 < kOStiX> thanks man
2016-12-28T02:21:46 < kOStiX> i used 4051's to multiplex the knobs to a single adc input
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2016-12-28T02:22:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> ah, neato.
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2016-12-28T02:25:20 < kOStiX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7xDzO7Scc  and here some tests of the second version of the synth, still without enclosure, more prototypish state
2016-12-28T02:28:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> kOStiX, you etched PCB's and everything. Neato.
2016-12-28T02:29:18 < kOStiX> yeah
2016-12-28T02:29:30 < kOStiX> been doing them with the dry film photoresist
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2016-12-28T03:08:33 < stvn> Tot hund!
2016-12-28T03:14:14 < zyp> are you killing german dogs?
2016-12-28T03:14:49 < ReadErr> kraut herders ?
2016-12-28T03:17:48 < stvn> nein!
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2016-12-28T03:29:45 < stvn> never a holiday when there are bad soders
2016-12-28T03:34:01 < stvn> pioneer sama, the gift that keeps on giving
2016-12-28T03:37:51 < stvn> welcome back leeloo
2016-12-28T03:38:47 < stvn> what is mis-banned?
2016-12-28T03:39:54 < stvn> were you pumping?
2016-12-28T03:42:54 < stvn> thank
2016-12-28T03:43:16 < stvn> who unbanned you LeelooMinai ?
2016-12-28T03:43:34 < stvn> nope
2016-12-28T03:43:46 < stvn> its a switchmode power converter right?
2016-12-28T03:44:36 < stvn> ah yeah
2016-12-28T03:45:04 < stvn> so amusing .... i remember an MP3 player i had which would run for days off a single AAA cell
2016-12-28T03:45:12 < stvn> oh if only i had the batteriser!
2016-12-28T03:46:15 < stvn> i saw the day coming but i didn't think people would be stupid enough
2016-12-28T03:48:06 < upgrdman> what an ugly fucking gaming pc   http://www.pcgamer.com/gigabyte-brix-gaming-gt-desktop-wields-a-geforce-gtx-1070-or-1080/
2016-12-28T03:48:25 < stvn> what  a waste of money
2016-12-28T03:48:56 < stvn> joule?
2016-12-28T03:49:58 < upgrdman> so for units of energy, common ones are: joule, kWh, Calorie... any else?
2016-12-28T03:50:20 < stvn> spergims
2016-12-28T03:51:03 < stvn> autistic brainwaves which are emitted from the autism reactor
2016-12-28T03:51:42 < stvn> science need not apply
2016-12-28T03:51:47 < stvn> autism is overunity
2016-12-28T03:52:13 < stvn> kwh is what you get when you integrate power with respect to time
2016-12-28T03:52:21 < stvn> energy bong
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2016-12-28T03:54:31 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: eV
2016-12-28T03:54:41 < upgrdman> mmm ya
2016-12-28T03:54:50 < stvn> the electron volt
2016-12-28T03:54:55 < stvn> :D
2016-12-28T03:54:57 < upgrdman> forgot that physics fucks have two units for it, eV and joule
2016-12-28T03:55:08 < upgrdman> those cunts
2016-12-28T03:55:54 < stvn> yeah the fucken pricks
2016-12-28T03:57:49 < stvn> im really earning my 100 dollars 
2016-12-28T03:58:44 < stvn> servicing this dj player
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2016-12-28T04:04:39 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAsUI2YhqN4 you can watch dave the faggot (with sound off) jacking off live
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2016-12-28T04:06:57 < stvn> lol
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2016-12-28T04:27:39 < jadew> batteriser has shipped?
2016-12-28T04:27:44 < stvn> https://vid.me/wDwO
2016-12-28T04:28:15 < dongs> jewriser
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2016-12-28T04:33:08 < zyp> dongs, is there a significant difference in availability of the top/top vs top/bottom variants of FFC cables?
2016-12-28T04:33:21 < jadew> yes
2016-12-28T04:33:31 < jadew> top/bottom is more common IMO
2016-12-28T04:33:45 < zyp> oh, I was suspecting the opposite
2016-12-28T04:35:51 < zyp> top/bottom seems much saner to deal with, since signals would be numbered the same in both ends
2016-12-28T04:36:04 < dongs> zyp,  cables t hemselves?
2016-12-28T04:36:06 < jadew> just do a search on ali for the cables you need and you'll see what kind of deals you get
2016-12-28T04:36:25 < zyp> dongs, yes, whether the contacts are on same or opposite sides
2016-12-28T04:36:59 < jadew> zyp, yeah, but not everything fits that orientation
2016-12-28T04:37:04 < jadew> that works best for stacked boards
2016-12-28T04:37:34 < jadew> what I needed was a connection to the front panel and that would have worked best with top/top
2016-12-28T04:37:55 < zyp> jadew, eh, that's a matter of the sockets too
2016-12-28T04:38:18 < zyp> since the sockets also comes in both variants (and vertical can just be rotated 180 degrees)
2016-12-28T04:39:02 < jadew> zyp, didn't know there are sockets for both sides
2016-12-28T04:39:17 < dongs> uh of course there is
2016-12-28T04:39:20 < zyp> jadew, I learned that yesterday
2016-12-28T04:39:29 < dongs> theres top contact,s bottom contacts, and both sides
2016-12-28T04:39:32 < zyp> dongs, actually, regarding that
2016-12-28T04:39:45 < jadew> well, that changes everything hehe
2016-12-28T04:40:38 < zyp> dongs, that AF3AXXB thing, is there a AF3AXXT variant too?
2016-12-28T04:41:58 < dongs> you mean of the clone?
2016-12-28T04:42:03 < zyp> yeah
2016-12-28T04:42:43 < dongs> lemme axe
2016-12-28T04:43:28 < dongs> zyp, our cables were toptop
2016-12-28T04:43:35 < dongs> but the conenctors were both sides
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2016-12-28T04:44:02 < zyp> guess that's an approach too
2016-12-28T04:46:31 < zyp> but top/bottom cables would be preferable, that keeps everything the same in each end
2016-12-28T04:47:18 < dongs> they exist and sell, yeah
2016-12-28T04:47:20 < dongs> no problem
2016-12-28T04:47:50 < zyp> what exist?
2016-12-28T04:47:59 < dongs> top bottom fpc
2016-12-28T04:48:11 < zyp> good
2016-12-28T04:48:39 < zyp> I'm thinking about making a breakout shit for debugging as well
2016-12-28T04:48:56 < zyp> probably two connectors so I can connect it inline and 100mil headers for all the signals
2016-12-28T04:49:20 < zyp> and if I keep the same pinout for top and bottom links I can use the same to debug both
2016-12-28T04:49:42 < dongs> vool
2016-12-28T04:49:46 < dongs> cool
2016-12-28T04:50:08 < zyp> so I'll probably go with 30p for everything
2016-12-28T04:51:54 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/VZ2kw.png <- so far my sketch looks like this, will still rearrange and figure out what extra shit I need
2016-12-28T04:52:29 < zyp> I want this shit to be modular, e.g. later adding a nfc reader or whatever to top board, so I want spare CS and other shit for that
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2016-12-28T04:55:22 < jadew> dongs, is "engineer" a known brand in Japan?
2016-12-28T04:55:24 < dongs> i spot usb-c
2016-12-28T04:55:25 < zyp> the fun part about making shit modular is that next time you want to make a compatible module, you discover that your interface lacks some shit you didn't think about :p
2016-12-28T04:55:31 < dongs> jadew: they make pliers and tweezers and shit
2016-12-28T04:55:32 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-28T04:55:38 < jadew> good to know, thanks
2016-12-28T04:55:44 < jadew> I'm looking for new pliers
2016-12-28T04:55:46 < zyp> yeah
2016-12-28T04:55:49 < dongs> im using their pliers right now actually
2016-12-28T04:55:51 < dongs> haeuaeuhhuaeuh
2016-12-28T04:55:52 < dongs> but yeah
2016-12-28T04:55:57 < dongs> and nippers and uh tweezers
2016-12-28T04:56:01 < jadew> neat, good quality?
2016-12-28T04:56:07 < dongs> yes, they're great
2016-12-28T04:56:18 < dongs> i dunno if shit you buy on aliexpress are knockoffs or wahtever but real jap oens are good
2016-12-28T04:56:21 < zyp> I figure best way to deal with USB-C is bringing the CC lines down to middle board and just terminating them with resistors there since I'm doing device only
2016-12-28T04:56:31 < jadew> dongs, not buying from ali
2016-12-28T04:56:57 < zyp> so that I can later add OTG shit if I need
2016-12-28T04:57:02 < dongs> heh heh
2016-12-28T04:57:08 < dongs> this is your car charger shit?
2016-12-28T04:57:10 < dongs> why does it evne have usb-c
2016-12-28T04:57:40 < zyp> LeelooMinai, that's why signals are grouped into blocks already
2016-12-28T04:58:09 < zyp> I'll fill remaining pins with GND when I know how many signals I need and have arranged them how I want them
2016-12-28T04:58:54 < zyp> dongs, firmware upgrade and config shit
2016-12-28T05:00:35 < zyp> I figure a convenient way to do field setup of this shit is by hooking it up to a phone app rather than having to drag out a laptop
2016-12-28T05:00:46 < jadew> I'm replacing this: http://82.76.176.90/stuff/IMG_20161228_044723.jpg
2016-12-28T05:01:03 < jadew> (it's closed btw)
2016-12-28T05:01:13 < zyp> and since usb-c is the future and c-to-c-cables are common, I figure that's much more reasonable than going with a micro-b on this end
2016-12-28T05:02:28 < jadew> yeah, it's useless for most stuff
2016-12-28T05:02:47 < zyp> (or maybe I just want an excuse to put usb-c on something)
2016-12-28T05:03:52 < jadew> the question is, this: http://static2.tme.eu/products_pics/d/b/0/db02088dafbcea174ecf1761c5a85b19/high_res_284833.jpg or this: http://static4.tme.eu/products_pics/f/2/f/f2f4ffb06610511e592c9e9eec44b6cf/high_res_445609.jpg
2016-12-28T05:04:26 < zyp> LeelooMinai, eh, micro-b haven't even replaced mini-b completely yet when it comes to devboards
2016-12-28T05:04:50 < jadew> LeelooMinai, TME is legit
2016-12-28T05:04:55 < dongs> a u t i s m
2016-12-28T05:05:12 < dongs> jadew: how much force do you need
2016-12-28T05:05:17 < dongs> i have the 445609
2016-12-28T05:05:26 < jadew> dongs, it's for general purpose stuff
2016-12-28T05:05:26 < zyp> jadew, why not both?
2016-12-28T05:05:30 < jadew> it would be my main pliers
2016-12-28T05:05:42 < dongs> yeah, i'd say both cuz they're really different tasks
2016-12-28T05:05:51 < jadew> zyp, don't know, they're very similar, no?
2016-12-28T05:06:00 < jadew> hmm
2016-12-28T05:06:42 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I'll look into it, but the sets they have are not that nice
2016-12-28T05:06:56 < dongs> jadew: there's also something about the center connection, i forgot i was talking to some pliers afficionado and he was saying how one way is better than another but i totally forgot now
2016-12-28T05:07:07 < jadew> no, I just got $50 for christmas and I'm looking to turn them into a present
2016-12-28T05:07:18 < zyp> spring vs no spring?
2016-12-28T05:07:21 < dongs> zyp, no
2016-12-28T05:07:27 < dongs> the way the shit is connected
2016-12-28T05:07:52 < jadew> ah, probably related to how much force it can handle before becoming useless?
2016-12-28T05:09:59 < kOStiX> dip it in some flux man
2016-12-28T05:10:13 < kOStiX> works much better
2016-12-28T05:10:43 < dongs> god damn kikepedia is super useless
2016-12-28T05:10:53 < kOStiX> i got some from ebay, says made in japan on the package, wide braid, been using that
2016-12-28T05:11:04 < dongs> either that or i cant find right keywords
2016-12-28T05:12:15 < zyp> LeelooMinai, hmm, I think that's what I've got, looks similar
2016-12-28T05:12:39 < zyp> I think I borrowed it from work some time
2016-12-28T05:12:59 < dongs> LeelooMinai: https://media.giphy.com/media/peqUP2xdeIHG8/giphy.gif please click
2016-12-28T05:13:46 < kOStiX> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1PCS-3-5mm-1-5m-Goot-Wick-Desoldering-Braid-Solder-Soldering-Tin-Remover-Wire-/291946706303?hash=item43f961357f:g:TN8AAOSw4GVYLzjN
2016-12-28T05:14:15 < kOStiX> hahah
2016-12-28T05:14:35 < jadew> goatwick
2016-12-28T05:14:36 < kOStiX> i use it along with soldering paste (not the paste with solder, just the cheap flux paste)
2016-12-28T05:14:45 < dongs> kOStiX: thats also jap
2016-12-28T05:15:04 < dongs> i have those on a dispenser plastic thingy
2016-12-28T05:15:08 < jadew> coming from Malaysia?
2016-12-28T05:15:12 < zyp> I bought some goot tools in jp before
2016-12-28T05:15:23 < kOStiX> i dunno, they sell this locally cheap so i get that
2016-12-28T05:15:27 < dongs> http://www.goot.jp/en/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/CP-30Y_sam_1.jpg
2016-12-28T05:16:00 < zyp> oh, that looks convenient
2016-12-28T05:16:25 < kOStiX> http://www.cits.net.au/content/images/thumbs/0000962_soldering_paste_flux_300.png
2016-12-28T05:16:34 < kOStiX> something sort of this
2016-12-28T05:17:04 < dongs> thats plumbers flux
2016-12-28T05:17:06 < dongs> good job
2016-12-28T05:17:16 < kOStiX> i guess haha
2016-12-28T05:17:34 < kOStiX> i mostly use it to clean the solderng iron tip quickly dipping it
2016-12-28T05:17:36 < kOStiX> and soldering cables
2016-12-28T05:17:46 < kOStiX> sometimes for desoldering
2016-12-28T05:18:46 < dongs> you use it on like copper pipes soldered with propane torch
2016-12-28T05:19:04 < kOStiX> they actually sell that kind of paste in electronics store here
2016-12-28T05:19:18 < kOStiX> and along with cheapass soldering irons
2016-12-28T05:19:53 < kOStiX> i know what you mean
2016-12-28T05:20:12 < kOStiX> i got some homemade alcohol/resin flux here also
2016-12-28T05:21:10 < kOStiX> oh yeah man i remember that stuff
2016-12-28T05:21:30 < kOStiX> i had that back in russia, it really made soldering stick to anything
2016-12-28T05:22:15 < kOStiX> i remember it was a trasparrent liquid
2016-12-28T05:23:17 < kOStiX> haha yeah
2016-12-28T05:23:20 < kOStiX> i have one of those
2016-12-28T05:23:29 < kOStiX> bigass tip iron
2016-12-28T05:25:58 < kOStiX> https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1UNGQJVXXXXcjXXXXq6xXFXXXT/Quick-Heat-Soldering-iron-200W-JS700.jpg
2016-12-28T05:26:01 < kOStiX> something like this
2016-12-28T05:26:34 < upgrdman> wtf  http://www.icyte.com/system/snapshots/fs1/0/a/7/e/0a7e4c34fbe575484a89520ab1066cbfc714d3ac/index.html
2016-12-28T05:27:34 < akaWolf> R2COM: are u drunk? I dont even know what is that
2016-12-28T05:29:40 < akaWolf> this is vodka related technology
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2016-12-28T05:42:05 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: you're talking (at 10:10pm) about the desoldering braid?
2016-12-28T05:42:26 < dongs> aandrew: dont you have more pro things to worry about
2016-12-28T05:42:58 < dongs> remember that STM32 signal generator homework i posted on freecancer
2016-12-28T05:43:03 < dongs> i've seen 2-3 pakis re-post same project already
2016-12-28T05:43:05 < dongs> lat few days
2016-12-28T05:43:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/High-speed-PCB-design-Simulation/ haha
2016-12-28T05:44:45 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I've had very sporatic success with desoldering braid
2016-12-28T05:44:56 < aandrew> but yes, dousing it in flux makes it work a LOT better
2016-12-28T05:45:14 < aandrew> sometimes it works amaze, most times it's kind of shitty
2016-12-28T05:45:20 < aandrew> buttering me up?
2016-12-28T05:45:49 < aandrew> I've used kester, chemtronics, and several odd brands. I have no idea how to judge the right braid and chemical additives when buying it so I just use whatever
2016-12-28T05:46:00 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Video-switcher/
2016-12-28T05:46:01 < dongs> haha
2016-12-28T05:46:14 < dongs> > 4 channel hdmi switch WITH quad-view
2016-12-28T05:46:16 < dongs> > nigeria
2016-12-28T05:46:18 < dongs> > budget $250
2016-12-28T05:46:26 < dongs> > mentions "serious designers"
2016-12-28T05:46:34 < aandrew> dongs: yeah, got a layout I really should finish, several BLE projects to work on, some STM32 network software to write and I'm actually considering outsourcing some .net/rpi work on freelancer
2016-12-28T05:47:05 < aandrew> dongs: that PCB layout isn't bad, at least they have a budget
2016-12-28T05:47:21 < aandrew> 100 diff pairs at 25Gbit though... yeah. bet he wants that on FR4 too
2016-12-28T05:47:44 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: well if you have the cheap solder braid handy, you can always hang yourself with it
2016-12-28T05:48:01 < dongs> that would be great
2016-12-28T05:48:16 < dongs> make sure to livestream it on facebook
2016-12-28T05:49:50 < aandrew> dongs: yeah $250 serious designer... my reply "haha" :-)
2016-12-28T05:50:19 < aandrew> wow
2016-12-28T05:50:20 < aandrew> $537
2016-12-28T05:50:23 < aandrew> sorry
2016-12-28T05:50:29 < aandrew> $537.04 plus $10 shipping
2016-12-28T05:50:30 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-12-28T05:50:48 < dongs> whats that?
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2016-12-28T05:51:05 < dongs> there's surely quad-view hdmi shits but they start at $500+ for cheapest trash and most are 1.5k+ around
2016-12-28T05:52:44 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: dongs and I have a fairly long history. He's kind of like that strange uncle at this point :-)
2016-12-28T05:53:49 < stvn> https://vid.me/wDwO
2016-12-28T05:54:08 < aandrew> nah nothing flamboyant about it
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2016-12-28T05:54:45 < stvn> n
2016-12-28T05:55:20 < aandrew> stvn: that made me laugh
2016-12-28T05:56:43 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-12-28T05:56:44 < aandrew> "The risk I took was calculated. But man, am I bad at math."
2016-12-28T06:01:40 < jadew> I got both pliers
2016-12-28T06:01:55 < stvn> dave 
2016-12-28T06:02:02 < jadew> yeah :D
2016-12-28T06:03:10 < jadew> that was in the middle tbh
2016-12-28T06:03:16 < jadew> there were more expensive options
2016-12-28T06:03:41 < jadew> I liked these the most tho
2016-12-28T06:06:00 < jadew> the color is also nice
2016-12-28T06:06:35 < jadew> I'm not a fan of the multi-coloured tools
2016-12-28T06:07:10 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://gfycat.com/FrenchSplendidBirdofparadise
2016-12-28T06:09:20 < jadew> given the pliers I had before, I can shop by color and still get better quality
2016-12-28T06:09:52 < jadew> I paid like $10 for a set of 5 pliers
2016-12-28T06:10:35 < jadew> hmm, maybe the one in the picture was separate, I don't remember
2016-12-28T06:11:57 < stvn> suck it off tonight
2016-12-28T06:13:05 < stvn> sandnigger on the trigger
2016-12-28T06:14:28 < stvn> nah we got no jungles
2016-12-28T06:14:34 < stvn> just a dirty old rock
2016-12-28T06:15:03 < stvn> nothing clean
2016-12-28T06:15:59 < stvn> preggers pull the treggerz
2016-12-28T06:17:04 < stvn> nigger nigger  style
2016-12-28T06:18:18 < aandrew> apple approved pliers? nice.
2016-12-28T06:19:32 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/8UWZy87?r
2016-12-28T06:21:36 < stvn> stm dirty jews
2016-12-28T06:26:32 < stvn> yeah
2016-12-28T06:26:53 < aandrew> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Sharp-Programming/Write-some-Software-12621552/
2016-12-28T06:27:41 < stvn> hahaha
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2016-12-28T06:30:01 < jadew> nsfw: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXC-2QVU0AAqKBl.jpg:large
2016-12-28T06:30:35 < jadew> that's actually in answer to your good links request
2016-12-28T06:31:56 < aandrew> R2COM: tht is my project, I'm looking for a C# programmer to hack some source 
2016-12-28T06:31:56 < jadew> got that from a friend who also sent me: "Good friends don't send you good wishes for christmas. Good friends send you a list of 50 porn sites."
2016-12-28T06:32:01 < jadew> and the list followed
2016-12-28T06:32:27 < jadew> I knew most of them, but it's the thought that counts
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2016-12-28T06:33:53 < emeb_mac> wow what
2016-12-28T06:34:02 < aandrew> jadew: lol
2016-12-28T06:34:14  * emeb_mac doesn't get the joke
2016-12-28T06:37:37 < aandrew> well, first one wants $900 for what I guess is a week of shit C# hack and slash work, so no
2016-12-28T06:38:31 < emeb_mac> R2COM: you in AZ now?
2016-12-28T06:38:45 < emeb_mac> R2COM: kewl - where?
2016-12-28T06:43:00 < emeb_mac> R2COM: fun. Got a job here now?
2016-12-28T06:43:26 < aandrew> next one wants $800. what's with these people
2016-12-28T06:43:46 < ReadErr> ahem
2016-12-28T06:43:47 < ReadErr> http://www.koat.com/article/warrant-for-amazon-echo-records-in-murder-case-gets-privacy-advocates-attention/8540239
2016-12-28T06:43:54 < aandrew> they want me to design a guided missile for $125h and they want $800 to hack and slash some C#. get real.
2016-12-28T06:44:07 < aandrew> er $125
2016-12-28T06:48:07 < emeb_mac> R2COM: I like it. Been here 30+ years.
2016-12-28T06:48:40 < emeb_mac> R2COM: but don't close the case until you've been here in July.
2016-12-28T06:50:27 < emeb_mac> R2COM: who you working for?
2016-12-28T06:52:26 < emeb_mac> cagey R2COM is cagey. :)
2016-12-28T06:52:46 < zyp> next you'll find out that you're actually coworkers
2016-12-28T06:52:58 < upgrdman> anyone know if anybody other than logitech makes mice with high-resolution scroll wheels? e.g. many logitech mice have free-spinning wheels, with like 10x the resolution of normal clicky wheels
2016-12-28T06:53:03 < emeb_mac> my company is not beig or super-pro.
2016-12-28T06:53:07 < zyp> R2COM is that asshole in that office down the hall
2016-12-28T06:53:13 < zyp> or something
2016-12-28T06:53:19 < emeb_mac> 3 people. But we subcontract to GD.
2016-12-28T06:54:41 < emeb_mac> big and super pro in Phoenix and tech-related? Honeywell, GD, Intel, MCHP. Not much else around here in that category.
2016-12-28T06:55:16 < emeb_mac> maybe NXP/Freescale but not much of them left now.
2016-12-28T06:57:59 < dongs> aandrew: your c# shitproj posted?
2016-12-28T06:58:04 < dongs> on freecancer
2016-12-28T06:59:00 < aandrew> dongs: yep, posted abovein here
2016-12-28T06:59:31 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ya i want like sub-line scrolling. like the smooth feel you get from a quality touchpad scrolling
2016-12-28T06:59:42 < upgrdman> but that mouse of yours, wow, seems kinda neat
2016-12-28T06:59:44 < dongs> scrolling up
2016-12-28T06:59:55 < upgrdman> and a mouse with a 72MHz 32bit mcu, lol
2016-12-28T07:00:39 < upgrdman> but its just normal line-by-line scrolling, right?
2016-12-28T07:00:53 < aandrew> dongs: https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Sharp-Programming/Write-some-Software-12621552/
2016-12-28T07:00:55 < dongs> aandrew: im gonna guess both of them are some dumb pakis that didnt actualyl read your project
2016-12-28T07:01:03 < zyp> upgrdman, that's up to the os
2016-12-28T07:01:03 < aandrew> one's india the other I forget
2016-12-28T07:01:05 < dongs> just autobid
2016-12-28T07:01:10 < aandrew> both are $800-900 which is stupid
2016-12-28T07:01:31 < aandrew> like I said, they want me to design a cruise missile for $125 but yet somehow want $800 for a week of C# hack and slash
2016-12-28T07:01:37 < upgrdman> zyp, well the os needs to support it. but you need the hardware to do it too
2016-12-28T07:02:12 < aandrew> I'm just saying
2016-12-28T07:02:15 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ya but the wheels clicks like a cheap normal mouse, right?
2016-12-28T07:02:43 < aandrew> "design ubercomplex shit for $little" but when I'm looking for someone to do something simple it's "ja man that's like $megabux"
2016-12-28T07:03:12 < zyp> upgrdman, if you want a mouse that scrolls like a touchpad you should get that apple mouse with a touchpad on top
2016-12-28T07:03:33 < aandrew> oh both india
2016-12-28T07:03:35 < emeb_mac> playing by the rules: buy low, sell high.
2016-12-28T07:03:42 < emeb_mac> it's all about negotiation.
2016-12-28T07:04:10 < upgrdman> zyp, i dont want a touchpad. i just want the smooth scrolling of one. and my logitech M705 does that nicely. but im willing to try the competition if theyre decent
2016-12-28T07:04:28 < emeb_mac> of course it could also be Dunning-Kruger
2016-12-28T07:04:49 < zyp> MX510?
2016-12-28T07:04:49 < dongs> i have M560
2016-12-28T07:04:51 < emeb_mac> the stuff they don't know is easy so not worth much
2016-12-28T07:05:07 < zyp> oh, ok
2016-12-28T07:05:16 < dongs> gaydongs mouse
2016-12-28T07:05:34 < zyp> I'm using a logitech MX510 now
2016-12-28T07:05:40 < zyp> which I bought 12-13 years ago
2016-12-28T07:05:44 < zyp> still works nicely
2016-12-28T07:05:58 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, but that vertical scroll speed... is it just how many lines go by each click? or is it high resoltion? e.g. with my logitech, it can tell if i rotate the scroll wheels by 1 degree or less. seems like it has *hundreds* of steps by full revolution
2016-12-28T07:06:16 < aandrew> "Greeting for the day, Hope you are doing well
2016-12-28T07:06:18 < aandrew> We are Group of professional having more than 8 years’ experience in Windows/Linux Server administration , Website Hosting migration, Mail server configuration management ,CISCO Router Switches, Firewall Cloud computing)
2016-12-28T07:06:23 < aandrew> We provide support for small and medium companies to build their successful online businesses utilizing different platforms like Microsoft (Asp.net, SQL Server, C#, VB.net), LAMP, CMS like DNN, CATALLOK, Magneto, Word Press. We provide solutions focused web professional with comprehensive background orchestrating the design and development of cutting-edge web sites and user experiences that strategically leverage and maximize online presence. 
2016-12-28T07:06:29 < aandrew> definitely an autobid
2016-12-28T07:06:40 < zyp> I used to have that apple touchpad mouse thing, it's actually fairly nice but it sucks batteries fairly quick
2016-12-28T07:06:46 < aandrew> haha
2016-12-28T07:06:47 < aandrew> "Hi, I , Jayesh Patel , Project Manager in Cears Infotech having 7+ years of experience in ASP.Net/C# technology 
2016-12-28T07:06:50 < aandrew> "
2016-12-28T07:06:52 < aandrew> that's the whole thing, he wants $1200
2016-12-28T07:07:25 < jadew> lol aandrew
2016-12-28T07:07:45 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, it isnt a browser function. this isnt faked smooth scrolling. the optical encoder on the M705 wheel is actually high resolution. this isnt faked interpolation faggotry.
2016-12-28T07:07:58 < aandrew> huh two of them removed their bids
2016-12-28T07:08:42 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, depends on the app
2016-12-28T07:08:52 < upgrdman> decent ones support it
2016-12-28T07:09:15 < upgrdman> e.g. if you can use a laptop touchpad and smoothly slide things around in the app, it tends to be smooth with my M705
2016-12-28T07:09:25 < upgrdman> but the logitech drivers are kinda flakey
2016-12-28T07:09:30 < aandrew> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Cordless-Optical-Bluetooth-Charcoal/dp/B000BDH2Y8
2016-12-28T07:09:32 < upgrdman> which is why i wanna try the competition
2016-12-28T07:09:34 < aandrew> that is my bluetooth mouse 
2016-12-28T07:09:37 < aandrew> I loves it
2016-12-28T07:09:50 < aandrew> that's the one I travel with. I have a microsoft mouse+kb at the workstation
2016-12-28T07:10:00 < upgrdman> aandrew, lol i had one of those ~10 years ago
2016-12-28T07:10:08 < upgrdman> too small for me
2016-12-28T07:10:12 < upgrdman> and shit battery life
2016-12-28T07:10:13 < aandrew> yeah it's an old mouse for sure
2016-12-28T07:10:17 < jadew> if I had a 3d printer, I'd print a mouse
2016-12-28T07:10:25 < aandrew> nah I have no issues with batery
2016-12-28T07:10:26 < aandrew> battery
2016-12-28T07:10:31 < upgrdman> err actually i had the version without bluetooth
2016-12-28T07:10:35 < upgrdman> mine had a big dongle
2016-12-28T07:10:41 < upgrdman> not the little unifucking dongle
2016-12-28T07:11:12 < aandrew> yeah this is specifically bluetooth
2016-12-28T07:11:14 < aandrew> fuck dongles
2016-12-28T07:14:11 < aandrew> lol mouse stats
2016-12-28T07:14:29 < aandrew> 1.1mil clicks
2016-12-28T07:14:33 < aandrew> gonna get RSI
2016-12-28T07:14:56 < aandrew> I have to say that's quite the driver
2016-12-28T07:15:12 < aandrew> I wonder how many CPU cycles are burned doing such things
2016-12-28T07:15:19 < upgrdman> "leeloo has typed    :p     7 trillion times YTD"
2016-12-28T07:16:27 < upgrdman> maybe they could even do details stats. histogram of :p's as hour of day changes, etc.
2016-12-28T07:17:09 < jadew> mine has only one
2016-12-28T07:17:17 < jadew> some cypress usb controller
2016-12-28T07:17:32 < aandrew> lol it tracks wasd
2016-12-28T07:17:57 < jadew> you have leds under your keys?
2016-12-28T07:18:07 < jadew> what keyboard do you havE?
2016-12-28T07:20:27 < jadew> LeelooMinai, is it mechanical?
2016-12-28T07:20:43 < aandrew> you guys and your fancy keyboards
2016-12-28T07:20:58 < jadew> looks cool - interesting that they kept the regular layout
2016-12-28T07:21:12 < kOStiX> i remember some gadget keyboard with separate lcds on each key i saw on the net a while ago
2016-12-28T07:22:26 < kOStiX> yeah something like that
2016-12-28T07:22:34 < jadew> that's the one
2016-12-28T07:22:41 < jadew> had OLEDs on each key
2016-12-28T07:22:44 < jadew> silly
2016-12-28T07:23:36 < kOStiX> miss those commodore times hehe
2016-12-28T07:23:45 < aandrew> yeah I just got used to shit kbs I guess
2016-12-28T07:23:48 < aandrew> I type 90% on laptop
2016-12-28T07:25:48 < kOStiX> i wonder why there are keyboards where they put the sleep/power button aside of some majorly used key like backspace or delete
2016-12-28T07:25:51 < dongs> bluetooth mice are the sux
2016-12-28T07:28:46  * aandrew warms up some rouladen and grabs a beer
2016-12-28T07:28:49 < dongs> logitech mx2 anywhere is pretty good
2016-12-28T07:28:54 < dongs> as long as you use the logitech rf thingy
2016-12-28T07:28:59 < kOStiX> i always wanted to make a RC mouse, like mod a real computer mouse add a single front wheel drive and some steering control
2016-12-28T07:29:06 < dongs> wat
2016-12-28T07:29:07 < aandrew> fuck dongles
2016-12-28T07:29:10 < aandrew> bt or bust
2016-12-28T07:29:16 < dongs> lol bt is laggy as fuck
2016-12-28T07:29:22 < dongs> have you ever used it for anything serious??????????????
2016-12-28T07:29:27 < dongs> the lag is enormous
2016-12-28T07:29:41 < aandrew> dongs: EDA? yes, it's all I use a real mouse for
2016-12-28T07:29:45 < aandrew> gaming? no
2016-12-28T07:29:56 < dongs> get out
2016-12-28T07:30:01 < dongs> how do you deal with lag
2016-12-28T07:30:16 < dongs> tbh last time i tried to connect jewtooth it didnt evne work
2016-12-28T07:30:18 < aandrew> dongs: maybe use a good BT mouse or BT chipset in the PC
2016-12-28T07:30:18 < kOStiX> i cant handle a wireless mouse,  cable all the way for me
2016-12-28T07:30:19 < dongs> so I just popped in the rf dongle
2016-12-28T07:30:22 < aandrew> I've *never* experienced lag issues
2016-12-28T07:30:23 < kOStiX> always feel the lag
2016-12-28T07:30:29 < dongs> aandrew: yeah $80 mx2anywhere logitech is good
2016-12-28T07:30:33 < dongs> but no idea about BT shit 
2016-12-28T07:31:51 < aandrew> in fact I get random lag/jumpiness with my proprietary wireless protocol MS kb/mouse
2016-12-28T07:32:09 < aandrew> "microsoft wireless mouse 1000" and "wireless keyboard 800"
2016-12-28T07:32:28 < aandrew> I made decent rouladen. not awesome, but decent
2016-12-28T07:32:42 < aandrew> I forgot to use wine for the sauce to bake it in
2016-12-28T07:32:54 < aandrew> and apparently I bought dijon dry mustard which I had no idea even existed
2016-12-28T07:33:34 < dongs> microsoft rf dongle sucks
2016-12-28T07:33:36 < dongs> i give you that
2016-12-28T07:33:39 < dongs> range is awful on it
2016-12-28T07:33:48 < dongs> but never had that problme wiht logitech
2016-12-28T07:35:47 < dongs> mayb e they fixed pairing in win10 1607
2016-12-28T07:35:50 < dongs> looks like its working now
2016-12-28T07:35:54 < dongs> ill give it a try for a while and see
2016-12-28T07:35:56 < dongs> on my laptop
2016-12-28T07:36:46 < dongs> what teh shit is intel wiusb
2016-12-28T07:37:37 < aandrew> that sounds familiar
2016-12-28T07:38:26 < dongs> i wish wireless was less garbage
2016-12-28T07:38:31 < dongs> sitting 2 meters away from base station
2016-12-28T07:38:34 < dongs> downlink speed: 10meg/sec
2016-12-28T07:38:37 < dongs> fuuuuuuuuuuckofffff
2016-12-28T07:38:56 < aandrew> man bruce willis is young in die hard 2
2016-12-28T07:39:10 < kOStiX> u seen than Lifi stuff?
2016-12-28T07:39:20 < aandrew> dongs: you might actually get better speed if you tell the router to reduce its tx power
2016-12-28T07:39:29 < aandrew> is it like an old WRT54G or something newer
2016-12-28T07:39:43 < dongs> nah its some 1650ac garbage
2016-12-28T07:39:59 < dongs> or 1750ac
2016-12-28T07:40:00 < dongs> whatever
2016-12-28T07:40:33 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BUSDVBQ wow still best seller i got it like 2 years ago or something
2016-12-28T07:40:37 < aandrew> nice
2016-12-28T07:40:39 < kOStiX> www.purelifi.com
2016-12-28T07:40:40 < aandrew> I've got a 1900AC
2016-12-28T07:40:58 < dongs> anywa,y i never seen > 10megs out of that thing to pcs
2016-12-28T07:41:04 < aandrew> see if you can knock the TX power down, you might be drowning it
2016-12-28T07:41:06 < dongs> to phones even worse like 1-2megf/sec max
2016-12-28T07:41:40 < aandrew> are you trying to irradiate your nuts or something? maybe move the thing to a closet or someshit
2016-12-28T07:44:44 < jadew> RF has no effect on us
2016-12-28T07:45:29 < dongs> aandrew: where teh fuck are the altidumb 'start' page blog entreis
2016-12-28T07:45:30 < dongs> on their site
2016-12-28T07:45:35 < dongs> i know it just opens fucking alitum.com but where is it
2016-12-28T07:45:40 < dongs> i see some ridicilous shit in there i wanna paste
2016-12-28T07:45:43 < dongs> but cant find t he acutal link
2016-12-28T07:45:58 < aandrew> no idea
2016-12-28T07:46:20 < dongs> founbd
2016-12-28T07:46:22 < dongs> it comes from /blog
2016-12-28T07:46:26 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/blog/worst-advice-we%E2%80%99ve-ever-heard-about-pcb-design
2016-12-28T07:46:43 < dongs> hmm
2016-12-28T07:46:45 < dongs> not ALL of it
2016-12-28T07:46:45 < dongs> weird
2016-12-28T07:46:46 < dongs> wtf
2016-12-28T07:47:38 < dongs> oh dxp://home is some special handler that pulls SOME junk from /.blog
2016-12-28T07:48:38 < dongs> lets see if bt mouse will survive a power off and power on and still stay fconnected
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2016-12-28T08:00:02 < stvn> dwx3021
2016-12-28T08:00:07 < akaWolf> looks like his laptop didn't survive xD
2016-12-28T08:01:14 < akaWolf> yeah
2016-12-28T08:03:49 < stvn> crumpet slayer
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2016-12-28T08:19:05 < aandrew> got a bunch of proposals, mostly india, but got one from mexico that wasn't stupid even one from the US that was expectedly pricey
2016-12-28T08:19:53 < aandrew> heh
2016-12-28T08:20:18 < aandrew> "I am a C# dev with over 8y experience ... Don't award me before full discussion. As we haven't discussed details so the bid amount is not real"
2016-12-28T08:20:28 < aandrew> 8kg?!
2016-12-28T08:21:41 < aandrew> is this a laptop from 1998?
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2016-12-28T08:24:38 < dongs> ot this super legit email from paypal today http://i.imgur.com/1yMdbUV.png
2016-12-28T08:24:56 < aandrew> dongs: how's the bt mouse
2016-12-28T08:24:57 < aandrew> pro yet?
2016-12-28T08:25:09 < dongs> aandrew: seems ok, will keep using it and see if it disconnects
2016-12-28T08:28:57 < dongs> aandrew: wow 18 bids
2016-12-28T08:29:37 < aandrew> yep it's hot
2016-12-28T08:29:46 < aandrew> only one I'd take seriously so far, from .mx
2016-12-28T08:30:19 < dongs> does he know what hes doin
2016-12-28T08:31:07 < aandrew> don't know yet, but his timeline and price isn't bad
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2016-12-28T08:32:17 < aandrew> most of them are autobids like you've guessed
2016-12-28T08:32:23 < aandrew> throw a ton of terms at me and hope I bite
2016-12-28T08:33:55 < dongs> lols
2016-12-28T08:34:05 < dongs> someone with a name SHOPIFY is guaratneed to be a c# pro
2016-12-28T08:34:10 < aandrew> yep
2016-12-28T08:34:15 < aandrew> can you see the text of the bids or no
2016-12-28T08:34:31 < dongs> not thier propopsal
2016-12-28T08:34:35 < dongs> just the name + amt
2016-12-28T08:34:49 < aandrew> I want to show you all relevant Demo and Designs which is similar to your project completed previously. To make sure about the requirement set and customization, I want to discuss this project with you further on personal chat.
2016-12-28T08:34:54 < aandrew> Let me know the best suitable time for you to schedule the meeting, Feel free to message me at any time, I use to be online 24x7 on Freelancer so probably you will get a quick response from my end.
2016-12-28T08:35:02 < dongs> haha
2016-12-28T08:35:14 < dongs> lets not read the description and just write random shti
2016-12-28T08:35:39 < aandrew> this one's better
2016-12-28T08:35:39 < aandrew> Utkarsh this side from weblicence.To provide you assistance in building your website by using the technologies(Wordpress,Shopify,Magneto,Wix,Opencart,Weebly,HTML,PHP,Codingter). we have 8+ years of productive experience in providing the same. We have a team of experienced and innovative developers 
2016-12-28T08:35:44 < aandrew> We assure you to have experience hand in website development and provide you suitable website as you desire.
2016-12-28T08:35:54 < dongs> > website
2016-12-28T08:36:17 < aandrew> yep
2016-12-28T08:36:27 < aandrew> $100 in 3 days, they sound like the one
2016-12-28T08:37:04 < aandrew> gittechbay is the best so far
2016-12-28T08:37:28 < aandrew> "I am ready to work on your task as per teh requirement, please message me, followed by like 75 blank lines, then "thanks"
2016-12-28T08:37:45 < dongs> i should start doing that
2016-12-28T08:37:49 < dongs> 100 blank lines and hten
2016-12-28T08:37:56 < dongs> "Just kidding!!!!"
2016-12-28T08:38:03 < aandrew> hah
2016-12-28T08:38:11 < aandrew> I wonder if they're trying ot push other bids off the screen so they seem like the only option
2016-12-28T08:38:34 < aandrew> they don't realize that they only show the first 50 chars or so by default
2016-12-28T08:38:35 < dongs> you cant really
2016-12-28T08:38:38 < dongs> its ordered by time
2016-12-28T08:38:47 < dongs> and doesnt even show thier full shit yeah
2016-12-28T08:39:10 < dongs> what's a recruiter mean
2016-12-28T08:39:12 < dongs> ive seen that shit before
2016-12-28T08:39:17 < dongs> how do you get that shit tagged liek that
2016-12-28T08:39:33 < aandrew> recruiter means some idiot like me paid freecancer $30 to have some filipina pre-screen the applicants for me
2016-12-28T08:39:43 < dongs> nice
2016-12-28T08:40:17 < aandrew> I was actually impressed
2016-12-28T08:40:34 < aandrew> as soon as I posted I got a message come up and my first comment was "is this a real person or a bot?"
2016-12-28T08:41:00 < aandrew> but the person spoke perfect english and asked some specific questions about what I'm looking for, then thanked me and told me they'd have a list of pre-screened picks for me tomorrow
2016-12-28T08:41:14 < dongs> ha ha
2016-12-28T08:42:48 < aandrew> the mexican actually read the requirements
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2016-12-28T09:15:59 < dongs> https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/26/oculus-engineer-dov-katz-arrested-in-sting-after-allegedly-soliciting-sex-from-a-15-year-old-girl/
2016-12-28T09:16:02 < dongs> after "successful female dev=trans", now "successful male dev=pedo"
2016-12-28T09:24:00 < jpa-> "arrived at an Embassy Suites in Tukwila, Washington with $600 after agreeing in texts messages to pay $300 for sex"  was the crime taking too much money
2016-12-28T09:29:41 < ReadErr> excuse me 
2016-12-28T09:29:46 < ReadErr> can I pump something really quick
2016-12-28T09:29:55 < ReadErr> I think you all might enjoy it
2016-12-28T09:29:58 < dongs> seriously tho do american cops have nothing better to do
2016-12-28T09:30:06 < ReadErr> will only take a second then i got bed ;)
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2016-12-28T09:31:37 < ReadErr> 15,15    0,8     15,15                                                    14,14 10,11▒░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░14,14 15,15            9,9 3,3  9,9 15,15     
2016-12-28T09:31:38 < ReadErr> 15,15   8,8   7,7 12,7 0,7O0,15 15,15                                   1,5░░░░░░░15,15         14,14 10,11░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░14,14 15,15            3,3  5,5 15,15      
2016-12-28T09:31:38 < ReadErr> 15,15  8,8   7,7  4,7\11,7 15,15                                   0,8 1,5░░░░░░░░15,15 1,5░15,15      14,14 10,11░░░8,8    11,11  10,11░░15,15     14,14 15,15            13,13    15,15     
2016-12-28T09:31:39 < ReadErr> 15,15  8,8  7,7   15,15                      14,14              5,8/,1,8 8,8  1,8 8,8  5,8░1,5░░░░15,15     14,14 10,11░░8,8      11,11   15,15 0,15░15,15 0,15░15,15 14,14 15,15             13,13  15,15      
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2016-12-28T09:31:39 < ReadErr> 15,15   8,8 4,4 7,7  4,4   15,15                   14,14 0,1[~]$ krebscann5,8░░░░░8,8   1,5▓15,15        14,14 0,15░░14,15▒0,15░░14,15▒14,1▒▒14,15▒11,11  15,15 0,15░15,15 0,1░15,15 14,14 15,15    14,14 15,15              14,14 15,15 
2016-12-28T09:31:40 < ReadErr> 15,15    4,4 7,7  4,4   15,15                   14,14 15,1JVM terminated15,3  1,3░5,8░░░8,8 1,3░3,3 15,15       14,14        1,1 4,1 1,1 0,1,4,1,14,14       15,15   14,14 15,15     14,14    15,15     14,14 15,15 
2016-12-28T09:31:40 < ReadErr> 15,15    4,4 7,7  4,4  15,15                    14,14 0,1[~]$ irssi15,1 3,3  15,3 3,3          15,15              14,1▒▒▒1,14▓▓15,15          14,14 15,15              14,14 15,15 
2016-12-28T09:31:40 < ReadErr> 15,15    4,4 7,7  4,4  15,15          1,15,_________14,14           3,3             1,3░1,15 .---O-O  15,15  1,1        15,15         14,14 15,15              14,14 15,15 
2016-12-28T09:31:41 < ReadErr> 7,7  15,15  15,4_7,7  15,4__15,15     15,7                         3,3       5,8░8,8 5,8░░░3,3 1,3░1,1 15,7                            15,15 14,14 15,15              14,14 15,15 
2016-12-28T09:31:41 < ReadErr> 15,15  14,0Word7,7 14,009715,15        10,1 15,15 1,15|15,15                    3,3     5,8░8,8 5,8░░1,3░3,3  1,3░1,1 15,15                        10,1 15,15    14,14 15,15              14,14 15,15 
2016-12-28T09:31:41 < ReadErr> 15,15   4,4      15,15        10,1 15,15 1,15|15,15                    3,3   8,8 5,8░░░1,3░3,3    1,3░1,1 15,15                        10,1 15,15    14,14                15,15 
2016-12-28T09:31:49 < dongs> this channel blocks colors
2016-12-28T09:31:51 < dongs> fyi.
2016-12-28T09:31:59 < ReadErr> since when ? :(
2016-12-28T09:32:02 < dongs> since forever.
2016-12-28T09:32:04 < aandrew> ReadErr: what the fuck
2016-12-28T09:32:16 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: how the hell did you get banned for being off topic? this entire channel is offtopic
2016-12-28T09:32:31 < jpa-> dongs: they only pose as underage girls if there are not enough black men to shoot
2016-12-28T09:32:35 < ReadErr> dongs: worked some months back
2016-12-28T09:33:47 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: that shit's not right
2016-12-28T09:33:58 < ReadErr> http://i.imgur.com/uNBdIuj.png
2016-12-28T09:34:03 < ReadErr> some HQ ascii and story
2016-12-28T09:35:01 < aandrew> ReadErr: wtf
2016-12-28T09:35:21 < jpa-> why was that worth pasting?
2016-12-28T09:36:13 < ReadErr> "I'm open source bitch"
2016-12-28T09:36:23 < aandrew> ugh going to bed
2016-12-28T09:36:42 < dongs> unfunny shit is unfnny
2016-12-28T09:36:47 < ReadErr> i lold
2016-12-28T09:36:48 < dongs> keep your efnet shit to yourself
2016-12-28T09:36:50 < dongs> i didnt
2016-12-28T09:36:55 < dongs> typical pumper garbage
2016-12-28T09:37:22 < ReadErr> pumpers are long and dead
2016-12-28T09:37:35 < ReadErr> long ang gone..
2016-12-28T09:37:36 < ReadErr> rather
2016-12-28T09:38:56 < ReadErr> maybe i was saving you 
2016-12-28T09:38:59 < ReadErr> clearing the buffer 
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2016-12-28T10:05:46 < upgrdman> wtf is up with this guy's thumbs?  https://youtu.be/x3lseFxGfXM?t=823
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2016-12-28T10:06:12 < ohsix> woot
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2016-12-28T10:06:59 < Tectu> any idea why englishman suddenly quieted ohsix out of the blue earlier?
2016-12-28T10:07:19 < upgrdman> dunno. englishbro seems to get easily agitated these days.
2016-12-28T10:07:31 < ohsix> upgrdman: wtf huhuh i watched that video and didn't notice that
2016-12-28T10:07:39 < Fleck> kOStiX: thanks, pdf saved! :)
2016-12-28T10:08:34 < ohsix> wat pdf
2016-12-28T10:08:35 < Tectu> upgrdman, but there is/was literally no reason at all. I guess it was a mistake.
2016-12-28T10:09:00 < Fleck> ohsix: scrollback :D
2016-12-28T10:09:02 < ohsix> or a joke, i don't want to make a big deal out of it
2016-12-28T10:09:11 < ohsix> Fleck: i did a little huhu, didn't see it
2016-12-28T10:10:11 < Fleck> topic then ohsix :D
2016-12-28T10:10:21 < Tectu> BrainDamage, ping
2016-12-28T10:11:07 < ohsix> http://dsp-book.narod.ru/soundproc.pdf ?
2016-12-28T10:11:10 < dongs> Tectu: to help those who don't h ave him on ignore already
2016-12-28T10:11:11 < Fleck> yep
2016-12-28T10:11:13 < ohsix> k
2016-12-28T10:11:37 < Tectu> dongs, didn't seem to be that bad this time to be honest
2016-12-28T10:11:52 < dongs> was it about STM32?
2016-12-28T10:11:56 < ohsix> i wan'st here all day hahah
2016-12-28T10:12:10 < ohsix> when i found out something i'd talked to Kliment about i was on for like 15 seconds to tell him
2016-12-28T10:12:48 < dongs> who has some nice systick-scanning button lib
2016-12-28T10:12:57 < ohsix> Fleck: neat, i'd seen something on dsp-book but not that
2016-12-28T10:13:17 < Fleck> yeah, looks good! :)
2016-12-28T10:14:42 < dongs> any reason not to use fatfs for SPI flash?
2016-12-28T10:15:09 < ohsix> manifold
2016-12-28T10:15:15 < ohsix> there's spiffs
2016-12-28T10:15:36 < ohsix> and some other that wont' be slow just because fat sucks, and a little faster cuz they're intended for flash
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2016-12-28T10:17:34 < kOStiX> Fleck: no prob
2016-12-28T10:17:59 < dongs> is he thanking you for that dsp book
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2016-12-28T10:22:43 < kOStiX> yah
2016-12-28T10:27:09 < dongs> hm any F4 discovery board with sdcard on sdio?
2016-12-28T10:29:42 < dongs> maybe the F7 one is.
2016-12-28T10:29:47 < dongs> should be close enough to F4 to port code later.
2016-12-28T10:30:09 < kOStiX> u not using hal?
2016-12-28T10:30:40 < dongs> oh for fcks sake
2016-12-28T10:30:44 < dongs> theres no stdperiph for that shit isnt there
2016-12-28T10:30:50 < dongs> maybe ill just have to rawdog the sdio registers then
2016-12-28T10:31:15 < kOStiX> i duno bout std
2016-12-28T10:31:33 < dongs> maybe it will be faster to find my wavesahre sdcard breakout and just wire it into f4disco then
2016-12-28T10:31:40 < kOStiX> yea
2016-12-28T10:31:53 < dongs> ok convinced. fuck this
2016-12-28T10:32:02 < dongs> lookin for sd socket.
2016-12-28T10:32:04 < kOStiX> im waiting for couple of sdcard modules to arrive
2016-12-28T10:32:29 < dongs> i did this before but I used some nasty sample code , i think sdio should be really simple to configure
2016-12-28T10:33:35 < kOStiX> hal has example projects for this
2016-12-28T10:34:15 < dongs> ive seen st samples.
2016-12-28T10:34:23 < dongs> they manage to introduce liek 3 intermediate layers
2016-12-28T10:34:27 < dongs> between sdio and whatever the fuck
2016-12-28T10:34:29 < dongs> no thanks
2016-12-28T10:34:45 < c10ud^> most of that audio stuff is doable much easier with CMSIS
2016-12-28T10:34:48 < dongs> tada. wavesahre shit found
2016-12-28T10:34:51 < kOStiX> for config its ok i think, then you can handle registers directly
2016-12-28T10:37:18 < dongs> if only ST not fucking put shitdiuino headers on nucleo boards
2016-12-28T10:37:24 < dongs> they'd have enough space to ACTUALLY FUCKING LABEL ALL THE PINS
2016-12-28T10:37:39 < kOStiX> yeah
2016-12-28T10:37:44 < kOStiX> i wish they sold bare mcu boards
2016-12-28T10:37:50 < kOStiX> without the bloat
2016-12-28T10:38:44 < dongs> the real problem is just tarduino shit
2016-12-28T10:38:47 < dongs> f4isco is labeled
2016-12-28T10:38:51 < dongs> cuz it has no ardutrash
2016-12-28T10:39:30 < kOStiX> yeah
2016-12-28T10:39:38 < kOStiX> i've only worked with the 407 and 429 discos
2016-12-28T10:39:42 < kOStiX> dunno bout others
2016-12-28T10:40:09 < dongs> yeah got both of those, they're labeled
2016-12-28T10:41:02 < kOStiX> i've found useful to have printouts of the pinouts on the wall
2016-12-28T10:41:26 < dongs> haah, that is excatly what i just did, printed that page of nucleo manual out
2016-12-28T10:41:48 < kOStiX> and the freakin swd pinout
2016-12-28T10:41:54 < kOStiX> always looking up for that stuff
2016-12-28T10:42:51 < dongs> im gonna need to find that to bypass stdick and hook it up to my pro jlink
2016-12-28T10:43:12 < dongs> which probly means tapping those 2 jumpers that disconnect stlink from teh target
2016-12-28T10:43:20 < kOStiX> u just disconnect the jumpers no?
2016-12-28T10:43:39 < kOStiX> i use the discovery to program external standalone chips that way
2016-12-28T10:43:42 < kOStiX> jumpers off
2016-12-28T10:44:00 < dongs> oh, they broke out PA14/PA13 on teh main headers
2016-12-28T10:44:04 < dongs> so yeah just disconnect and wire those to jlink
2016-12-28T10:44:06 < dongs> cool
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2016-12-28T10:57:22 < ohsix> hm buns
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2016-12-28T10:57:54 < ohsix> anyone want to speculate at a clever way i might detect when i'm actually asleep? i use sleepbot but i need something more accurate wrt. actually being asleep
2016-12-28T10:58:34 < ohsix> getting it from an accelerometer is probably a dead end
2016-12-28T10:59:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VCdXGvT.jpg time to write driver
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2016-12-28T11:01:28 < ohsix> temperature looks like something :D
2016-12-28T11:08:46 < Fleck> ohsix: you just press button when you asleep :D
2016-12-28T11:09:50 < ohsix> :>
2016-12-28T11:10:12 < ohsix> i want to try cutting back by a half hour, until i get minimal sleep and see what length of time that is
2016-12-28T11:10:13 < Fleck> we had a joke... who falls asleep first, raise your hand!
2016-12-28T11:31:56 < ohsix> i've kind of tried that already, can't put my hand anywhere useful as i fall asleep
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2016-12-28T11:34:52 < Thorn> I'm having problems flashing external chips powered from 3.3V with discovery boards, probably because they have Vdd about 2.9V
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2016-12-28T11:55:37 < ohsix> kOStiX: 4051, wasn't enough inputs on the adc mux in the 103? or ...?
2016-12-28T11:59:50 < dongs> huh, you can syncronize STM32 RTC with 50/60hz from mains
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2016-12-28T12:19:27 < dongs> what the hell is stm32 'start year' in RTC?
2016-12-28T12:21:21 < ohsix> doesn't it have registers for every part of the date, it doesn't need an epoch
2016-12-28T12:28:01 < dongs> i am seeing 2000 in places but i dont see any official manual referencing this
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2016-12-28T12:40:20 < ohsix> huh it's just a counter
2016-12-28T12:40:32 < ohsix> wonder where i picked up that it knew about dates
2016-12-28T12:40:35 < ohsix> l0 maybe
2016-12-28T12:41:20 < ohsix> you get to pick a date then
2016-12-28T12:42:53 < jpa-> there are two versions, one with date registers and another has just a counter
2016-12-28T12:45:00 < dongs> 'two versions'?
2016-12-28T12:45:03 < dongs> im just using stdperiph funcs
2016-12-28T12:47:01 < ohsix> jpa-: maybe an m0 vs m3 thing?
2016-12-28T12:47:06 < ohsix> at least in st parts
2016-12-28T12:47:31 < ohsix> it's not a huge difference, it's basically just a counter that keeps running and has regs in the backup domain
2016-12-28T12:47:32 < jpa-> no, the cpu core has nothing to do with it
2016-12-28T12:48:35 < ohsix> i know
2016-12-28T12:48:57 < ohsix> was referring to the criteria which dictates which you might see
2016-12-28T12:49:39 < ohsix> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/group0/71/b8/5f/6a/8e/d5/45/0a/DM00226326/files/DM00226326.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00226326.pdf
2016-12-28T12:52:51 < ohsix> lul that seems to suggest everything but the f1 series has the advanced rtc
2016-12-28T12:53:51 < ohsix> wonder where one could scroung up release dates for their arm parts
2016-12-28T12:54:06 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM32 goodie
2016-12-28T12:54:15 < ohsix> 2007 yeesh they took over quick
2016-12-28T12:54:43 < ohsix> looks like they probably changed their mind on the rtc between 2007-2010
2016-12-28T12:55:48 < ohsix> yay mindless trivia
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2016-12-28T13:58:11 < KolK> I use LwIP with FreeRTOS in my project. I need TLS and some crypto. Could you suggest some libraries? Polarssl has not Curve25519 which I need, but I have seen that mbed tls has it. I also know about wolfssl.
2016-12-28T13:59:42 < qyx> wolfssl, but it is a piece of mess
2016-12-28T14:00:19 < qyx> polarssl is also gpl, which may not fit your application
2016-12-28T14:00:37 < KolK> Yes, I have seen that directory structure. I don't try to wonder what is inside source
2016-12-28T14:00:53 < qyx> are you sure about curve25519 in the polarssl?
2016-12-28T14:01:37 < KolK> in version distributed with stm32cube, there are only few algorithms
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2016-12-28T14:01:40 < qyx> I know they had nist and bp curves, I thought they were about to implement curve25519 too
2016-12-28T14:02:01 < KolK> google says that polarssl is now mbed tls
2016-12-28T14:02:20 < qyx> mhm, apparently things have changed
2016-12-28T14:03:10 < qyx> are you going to do tls against some known implementation?
2016-12-28T14:03:39 < KolK> I'm going to connect via Tor
2016-12-28T14:04:25 < KolK> so I need to do TLS handshake and then use some bare crypto functions to encrypt traffic pushed to Tor
2016-12-28T14:04:55 < qyx> btw wolfssl and X25519, they used an incompatible public key encoding
2016-12-28T14:05:28 < qyx> also there is an official nacl library from djb
2016-12-28T14:05:58 < qyx> and tweetnacl, althoguh not too efficient
2016-12-28T14:06:54 < KolK> it seems that nacl is for x86
2016-12-28T14:06:59 < KolK> maybe I'm wrong
2016-12-28T14:07:18 < qyx> afaik they had multiple versions, including an ansi-C portable one
2016-12-28T14:07:28 < KolK> ok
2016-12-28T14:07:46 < qyx> I was using curve25519-donna on stm32
2016-12-28T14:07:51 < qyx> from adam langley
2016-12-28T14:08:48 < qyx> ed25519 from Andrew M. <liquidsun@gmail.com>
2016-12-28T14:16:33 < KolK> that lib seems to be not so complicated in use when compiling against openssll
2016-12-28T14:18:01 < KolK> So I will probably check mbed tls
2016-12-28T14:18:21 < KolK> qyx: thank you for your help :-)
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2016-12-28T15:07:03 < dongs> succcess
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2016-12-28T15:13:33 < dekar_> KolK, I don't think it supports curve25519, but libTomCrypt is also a good option for the STM32 - It has more liberal licensing terms as well. Though these days mbedTLS seems to be the route most people go.
2016-12-28T15:17:43 < dongs> lolwat
2016-12-28T15:17:54 < dongs> why the shit would you wanna connect STM32 to TOR
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2016-12-28T15:49:11 < Thorn> are there glow plug quadcopters and why not
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2016-12-28T15:58:35 <@englishman> there is
2016-12-28T16:00:05 < jadew> any ideas on how to pry open this corner on a HP laptop? http://82.76.176.90/stuff/20161228_155647.jpg
2016-12-28T16:00:40 < jadew> it seems like the top cover (contains the kb) comes off by prying it open, but that corner refuses to pop
2016-12-28T16:00:44 < jadew> think I should force it?
2016-12-28T16:05:18 <@englishman> aandrew: stencils unlimited is in Portland? Is there another one?
2016-12-28T16:07:47 <@englishman> jadew: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/HP+Mini+110-3131dx+Keyboard+Bezel+Replacement/73522
2016-12-28T16:07:52 <@englishman> looks similar? 
2016-12-28T16:09:45 < jadew> no
2016-12-28T16:09:52 < jadew> no orange tab
2016-12-28T16:10:01 < jadew> and the keyboard is not separate
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2016-12-28T16:10:47 < PaulFertser> jadew: usually if you see no more screws to unscrew and no separate panel on top of the keyboard, it's just that, forcing it and hoping your guess was correct. 
2016-12-28T16:13:53 < PaulFertser> With some netbooks you have to unmount the keyboard first by removing the battery and letting the keyboard free by releasing some snaps.
2016-12-28T16:16:08 < jadew> looks like the problem is in the back
2016-12-28T16:16:40 < PaulFertser> A screw under a rubber pad?
2016-12-28T16:17:38 < jadew> heh, you got it
2016-12-28T16:17:51 < jadew> I was just looking under the pads, they seemed very well secured tho
2016-12-28T16:18:51 < KolK> dekar_: thanks, I'll check it
2016-12-28T16:20:05 < KolK> dongs: It's university project - I don't know if it will be sth useful, but it should prove that I can do some great things :-D
2016-12-28T16:20:50 < Tectu> just buy decent laptops that come with disassembly instructions such as Lenovo Thinkpad's
2016-12-28T16:21:16 < PaulFertser> How about small netbooks formfactor?
2016-12-28T16:21:48 < Tectu> oh, you wrote netbook, I read notebook. sorry
2016-12-28T16:21:51 < PaulFertser> Come on, disassembling just about any consumer laptop or netbook is no-brainer (once you know how to do that).
2016-12-28T16:22:28 < Tectu> HP has some very decent small formfactor netbooks in their ultrabook series that (afaik!) come with disassembly guides too
2016-12-28T16:25:00 < dongs> sexycyborg is a trans right
2016-12-28T16:26:44 <@englishman> augmented yes
2016-12-28T16:27:08 < dongs>  also known as leelooman who went all the way
2016-12-28T16:32:13 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/neptune-pine-clone/1095026_32742033816.html look waht i found
2016-12-28T16:35:03 < dongs> hmm
2016-12-28T16:35:06 < dongs> not getting SWO printfs
2016-12-28T16:35:11 < dongs> wai
2016-12-28T16:36:12 < jadew> PaulFertser, now it just works...
2016-12-28T16:36:32 < jadew> earlier it wasn't responding to the power button
2016-12-28T16:36:35 < dongs> there it goes.
2016-12-28T16:37:25 < jadew> dongs, I don't think anyone wears smart watches more than a couple of days
2016-12-28T16:37:55 <@englishman> had my pebble since it came out
2016-12-28T16:37:56 < jadew> having to charge it as often as your phone is a bit inconvenient
2016-12-28T16:38:07 <@englishman> android ones I find pretty dumb tho
2016-12-28T16:38:30 <@englishman> what's the point of a watch when the face is always black
2016-12-28T16:39:28 < jadew> to look cool
2016-12-28T16:45:50 < PaulFertser> jadew: my friend wears samsung gear s2 for about half a year by now, it's running tizen shit. Charges every 3-5 days, not every night.
2016-12-28T16:49:24 < PaulFertser> Not half a year, more than a year actually, since September 2015.
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2016-12-28T17:00:17 < aandrew> well, the .mx guy and an irish guy are definitely looking like the shortlist out of about 20 proposals
2016-12-28T17:00:55 < aandrew> englishman: stencils unlimited is in Markham, that's where I got the stencils for a couple of my projects from. Definitely not the US, although they may have a parent company there
2016-12-28T17:01:37 <@englishman> thanks, I should just call em
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2016-12-28T17:24:03 < dongs> getting 4.4meg/sec reading 4bit sdio on F401RE
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2016-12-28T17:27:27 < dongs> o, forgot to -O3
2016-12-28T17:27:29 < dongs> now 6.4meg
2016-12-28T17:27:35 < dongs> i think thats probly as good as shitty 401 will do
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2016-12-28T17:37:02 < dongs> what's arm::minar
2016-12-28T17:37:18 < dongs> oh hm it s some mbed trash
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2016-12-28T17:59:13 < dongs> why the f uck do all ST DMA examples directly address peripheral by using some 0x200034214 offset
2016-12-28T17:59:25 < dongs> instead of just doing &(DEV->DR)
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2016-12-28T18:31:54 < zyp> nice, received samples of those AC/DC modules I'm planning to use
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2016-12-28T18:50:55 < kakimir> eye infection
2016-12-28T18:53:18 <@englishman> zyp, why bother with all this complicated charging crap when you just add leds to the cable and $win https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2IbHufVmcY
2016-12-28T18:54:42 < kakimir> give m6 musicx playlist pls
2016-12-28T18:55:37 < zyp> englishman, haha
2016-12-28T18:56:51 < zyp> I mean, I'm sure I've got a spare gpio that can do ws2812b output :p
2016-12-28T18:59:19 < kakimir> i go>
2016-12-28T18:59:40 < zyp> and I already got the power sensing
2016-12-28T19:00:26 <@englishman> you're welcome. just turned your qty100 project into qty10000
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2016-12-28T19:12:58 < dongs> is that some hipster tesla faggot
2016-12-28T19:13:07 < dongs> i spot giant fucking 24" monitor niggered into the dash
2016-12-28T19:14:42 < dongs> what the shit
2016-12-28T19:14:55 < dongs> same code that works in another project, can read spi flash ID, but bulk erase immediately returns
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2016-12-28T19:21:24 < aandrew> dongs: try -Os
2016-12-28T19:21:39 < aandrew> there's also some LTO shit that might do something but I doubt it
2016-12-28T19:21:57 < dongs> oh, im fine with sd speed
2016-12-28T19:22:01 < dongs> thats like 60% of sysclk
2016-12-28T19:22:24 < dongs> its probly a garbage card too
2016-12-28T19:22:30 < dongs> i pulled it from my pile of crap ones.
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2016-12-28T19:35:57 < zyp> dongs, did they fix that stupid errata that limited SDIO clock rate on f407?
2016-12-28T19:36:15 < dongs> donno im on f401
2016-12-28T19:36:31 < zyp> so what SDIO rate are you doing?
2016-12-28T19:36:31 < dongs> i hope im not hitting any errata faggotry by using sdio and spi2
2016-12-28T19:36:34 < dongs> 0
2016-12-28T19:36:36 < dongs>  = 24mhz
2016-12-28T19:36:57 < zyp> ah, that was the limit of f407 too
2016-12-28T19:36:59 < dongs> sdio_clk_divider or wahtever shit
2016-12-28T19:37:20 < dongs> man wtf i donno wat i fucked up
2016-12-28T19:37:23 < dongs> gonna make a new flash breakout board
2016-12-28T19:37:26 < dongs> incase i cooked this one or osmething
2016-12-28T19:37:42 < zyp> there's some direct mode that bypasses the divider, but there's an errata saying it doesn't work
2016-12-28T19:38:36 < zyp> IIRC f407 errata sheet said that there's a workaround; if you don't use USB, you can overclock the 48MHz clock to 96 so you get 48 after /2
2016-12-28T19:38:49 < dongs> Data transfer up to 48 MHz for the 8 bit mode
2016-12-28T19:38:49 < dongs> oh
2016-12-28T19:39:02 < dongs> i didnt actually scope it
2016-12-28T19:39:05 < dongs> to see what its at
2016-12-28T19:39:08 < dongs> lemme see.
2016-12-28T19:39:12 < dongs> im just using divider of 0
2016-12-28T19:41:44 < dongs> ok im at 24
2016-12-28T19:41:47 < dongs> on sd_clk
2016-12-28T19:41:54 < dongs> where's direct mode?
2016-12-28T19:42:30 < dongs> SDIO_CK is the clock to the card: one bit is transferred on both command and data lines
2016-12-28T19:42:31 < zyp> idk, they probably took it out of the documentation if they didn't fix it
2016-12-28T19:42:33 < dongs> with each clock cycle. The clock frequency can vary between 0 MHz and 20 MHz (for a
2016-12-28T19:42:37 < dongs> MultiMediaCard V3.31), between 0 and 48 MHz for a MultiMediaCard V4.0/4.2, or between
2016-12-28T19:42:40 < dongs> 0 and 25 MHz (for an SD/SD I/O card).
2016-12-28T19:42:41 < dongs> 48mhz for some MMC trash
2016-12-28T19:42:43 < dongs> err?
2016-12-28T19:42:48 < dongs> is SDIO DDR or something?
2016-12-28T19:43:02 < zyp> that's bullshit, SD spec has a SDR50 mode
2016-12-28T19:43:20 < zyp> there's faster modes too, and they are DDR
2016-12-28T19:44:08 < dongs> oh ok.
2016-12-28T19:44:12 < dongs> well, that answers it i guess
2016-12-28T19:44:14 < dongs> no 48mhz 4 me
2016-12-28T19:54:17 < dongs> no  errata about spi/sdio. hmm
2016-12-28T19:54:21 < dongs> what the fuck am i doing wrong then
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2016-12-28T20:53:31 <@englishman> stm32f405 errata
2016-12-28T20:53:37 <@englishman> 2.1.10 DMA2 data corruption when managing AHB and APB peripherals in a
2016-12-28T20:53:37 <@englishman> concurrent way
2016-12-28T20:53:44 <@englishman> anyone actually encountered this?
2016-12-28T20:56:17 < dongs> what the shit
2016-12-28T20:56:25 < dongs> so apparently SPi2 just stops clocking
2016-12-28T20:56:39 < dongs> and of course nothing is read/sent
2016-12-28T21:01:00 <@englishman> https://blog.frankvh.com/2012/01/13/stm32f2xx-stm32f4xx-dma-maximum-transactions/
2016-12-28T21:01:01 <@englishman> wtf
2016-12-28T21:01:29 < dongs> haha
2016-12-28T21:05:09 <@englishman> that errata is actually much more severe
2016-12-28T21:05:16 <@englishman> it can affect periphs not even using dma2
2016-12-28T21:06:31 < dongs> are you trashing your lcd or something with failing dMA?
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2016-12-28T21:11:23 < aandrew> damn that DMA issue is insidious
2016-12-28T21:11:41 <@englishman> yeah
2016-12-28T21:11:51 <@englishman> using apb+ahb periphs on that dma concurrently
2016-12-28T21:12:02 <@englishman> trashing apb periph transfers
2016-12-28T21:12:07 <@englishman> even ones NOT using dma2
2016-12-28T21:12:46 < dongs> ok so im sitting here just banging out bytes out of spi and then it just stops clocking
2016-12-28T21:12:49 < dongs> what am i doing wrong
2016-12-28T21:15:25 <@englishman> you stopped
2016-12-28T21:16:51 < dongs> nope
2016-12-28T21:16:53 < dongs> its waiting for rxne
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2016-12-28T21:23:15 < dongs> holy shit...
2016-12-28T21:23:20 < dongs> it is SDIO related...
2016-12-28T21:23:27 < dongs> if i dont enable sdio, spi stuff wroks
2016-12-28T21:23:29 < dongs> uhhhh
2016-12-28T21:26:57 <@englishman> are you using dma2
2016-12-28T21:27:00 <@englishman> on f405
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2016-12-28T21:28:54 < dongs> DMA2 on F401
2016-12-28T21:29:42 <@englishman> which 401
2016-12-28T21:31:53 < dongs> RE
2016-12-28T21:32:30 < Thorn> does rmii work over wires & pin headers? http://www.waveshare.com/DP83848-Ethernet-Board.htm
2016-12-28T21:32:40 < dongs> Thorn: yes, works great
2016-12-28T21:32:59 < Steffanx> Yes indeed
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2016-12-28T21:33:26 < Steffanx> At least it worked for me with that module.
2016-12-28T21:34:13 < dongs> for some reason japs buy those a lot
2016-12-28T21:34:17 < dongs> its like my hottest wavesahre item
2016-12-28T21:35:37 < Steffanx> you can ebay it too, price is higher, but probably lower shipping costs, Thorn.
2016-12-28T21:35:49 < Steffanx> ( waveshare ebay shop )
2016-12-28T21:37:31 < Thorn> I'm just using it as a reference to check my design. I've got 1 day until my seeed coupon expires and an abandoned project that uses it
2016-12-28T21:37:43 < Steffanx> ah okl
2016-12-28T21:38:12 < Thorn> btw I found that DP83848I (industrial temp range) is much cheaper than C
2016-12-28T21:43:48 < dongs> .. do i need HSE to use sdio?
2016-12-28T21:47:09 <@englishman> All peripheral clocks are derived from the system clock (SYSCLK) except for:
2016-12-28T21:47:09 <@englishman> • The USB OTG FS clock (48 MHz) and the SDIO clock (≤ 48 MHz) which are coming
2016-12-28T21:47:09 <@englishman> from a specific output of PLL (PLL48CLK)
2016-12-28T21:47:27 < dongs> yeah i know that.
2016-12-28T21:47:29 < dongs> tahts not the point tho
2016-12-28T21:47:37 <@englishman> but pll48clk isnt in cube clocktree
2016-12-28T21:48:00 < Steffanx> USB and HSI sounds like a good plan, englishman :P
2016-12-28T21:48:08 <@englishman> works on f0 :)
2016-12-28T21:48:21 < Steffanx> Sure but .. 
2016-12-28T21:48:39 <@englishman> oh its in cube just labelled differently
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2016-12-28T22:27:27 < Rob235> can you just buy processors like amlogic s912?
2016-12-28T22:29:11 < Rob235> lame
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2016-12-28T22:40:28 <@englishman> moved dma2 tasks around so one starts another, ie they are not concurrent, problem gone
2016-12-28T22:40:30 <@englishman> fucking st
2016-12-28T22:48:34 < KolK> do you know what can be wrong with function converting uint32_t from host to network byte order? I receive hard fault
2016-12-28T22:51:10 < Steffanx> or when using GDB and too lazy to add code to code: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/armv7m-vecstate-zippe.gdb
2016-12-28T22:52:32 < KolK> Steffanx: I have these macros, they say:
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2016-12-28T22:53:24 < KolK> https://dpaste.de/1pTs
2016-12-28T22:53:42 < KolK> but frankly speaking I don't understand what it means
2016-12-28T22:54:54 < Steffanx> http://chmorgan.blogspot.nl/2013/06/debugging-imprecise-bus-access-fault-on.html
2016-12-28T22:56:07 < Steffanx> Have that page bookmarked, because it was useful once, or twice .. or .. you know.
2016-12-28T22:57:40 < Steffanx> Not sure if it's the only approach, but .. it worked for me
2016-12-28T22:59:23 < zyp> KolK, hard to say what can be wrong when you haven't posted the code that's failing
2016-12-28T23:02:00 < KolK> LeelooMinai, no, I don't
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2016-12-28T23:03:40 < zyp> yeah, a peripheral register viewer is gonna be super useful when you're not debugging peripheral code
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2016-12-28T23:05:03 < zyp> I'm sorry to hear that
2016-12-28T23:05:31 < zyp> no.
2016-12-28T23:07:13 < Steffanx> i detected some sarcasm there.
2016-12-28T23:08:50 < zyp> how the fuck will a peripheral viewer help you diagnose problems with htons()?
2016-12-28T23:09:14 < zyp> didn't you even read what his problem was?
2016-12-28T23:10:31 < zyp> what incorrect assumptions am I making?
2016-12-28T23:11:11 < zyp> poor you
2016-12-28T23:12:34 < zyp> maybe I would if you had a habit of saying useful stuff
2016-12-28T23:13:14 < zyp> am I not allowed to have opinions?
2016-12-28T23:14:08 < zyp> so anyway, let's review this situation
2016-12-28T23:14:42 < zyp> somebody are stating that their htons() implementation are hardfaulting and have concluded that it's an imprecise busfault
2016-12-28T23:15:01 < zyp> and you are suggesting looking into peripheral register viewers to help debug this
2016-12-28T23:15:17 < zyp> exactly what extra information is a peripheral register viewer going to give in this situation?
2016-12-28T23:16:18 < KolK> excuse me, I was investigating sth
2016-12-28T23:17:02 < zyp> it was concluded that it was an imprecise bus fault four minutes before you mentioned the peripheral register viewer
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2016-12-28T23:19:17 < zyp> «hey, you should look into this, disregard that it won't help you at all right now, but it's going to be soo useful in the future!»
2016-12-28T23:19:22 < zyp> that's not helping.
2016-12-28T23:19:51 < zyp> that's wasting time on bullshit that's irrelevant to the problem at hand
2016-12-28T23:20:24 < KolK> LeelooMinai: yes
2016-12-28T23:22:04 < KolK> LeelooMinai: I use Linux with without IDE
2016-12-28T23:22:29 < KolK> But I've got Eclipse with openstm, but it doesn't do the job well
2016-12-28T23:23:22 < KolK> I mean especially editor, strange code organization and debugger trigger which throws random errors
2016-12-28T23:24:25 < KolK> do you have sth interesting for linux? even based on eclipse 
2016-12-28T23:25:28 < KolK> but my setup with makefiles is stable ;-)
2016-12-28T23:26:08 < KolK> Eclipse sometimes cannot run debugger
2016-12-28T23:26:25 < KolK> my configuration (that one without eclipse) works well
2016-12-28T23:26:46 < KolK> yes
2016-12-28T23:26:52 < KolK> yes
2016-12-28T23:26:57 < zyp> KolK, protip: an IDE isn't gonna give you more information about an imprecise error than you already have
2016-12-28T23:30:49 < KolK> thanks, I'll check j-link some time :-)
2016-12-28T23:31:08 < aandrew> yeah ozone is still crazy as hell on osx :-(
2016-12-28T23:31:20 < aandrew> I want to love it, JLinkDebugger is stable enough
2016-12-28T23:31:42 < aandrew> ST-Link is a fair name, just /s/L// and it's more accurate.
2016-12-28T23:31:47 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yeah, yeah
2016-12-28T23:32:23 < aandrew> this is one area where you and dongs agree
2016-12-28T23:32:42  * aandrew has to check the sky for flying pigs whenever he says something like that
2016-12-28T23:33:10 < KolK> I'll check every piece of useful software and hardware, but now I'm going to come back to zyp's request for code and details :-)
2016-12-28T23:34:22 < KolK> I'm completing debug logs and source
2016-12-28T23:35:43 < aandrew> JLinkDebugger is what they called Ozone before they renamed it to Ozone
2016-12-28T23:57:49 < KolK> https://dpaste.de/6jSC I did some research and observe that when I trigger step command in gdb after line marked on listing, I get straight to Default_Handler, when I do things with stepi, everything works well
2016-12-28T23:59:31 < KolK> I forgot about one thing: TCPH_FLAGS calls ntohs
--- Day changed Thu Dec 29 2016
2016-12-29T00:00:58 < KolK> here is listing with these functions: https://dpaste.de/8opM
2016-12-29T00:01:16 < Thorn> seg->tcphdr->seqno  <-- 2 pointers dereferenced
2016-12-29T00:01:36 < Thorn> are the values correct?
2016-12-29T00:02:50 < KolK> https://dpaste.de/Y1cz
2016-12-29T00:03:05 < KolK> in my opinion, yes
2016-12-29T00:03:41 < KolK> but now I'm not sure about tcphdr
2016-12-29T00:04:50 < KolK> I have unpacked that tcp header
2016-12-29T00:05:11 < Thorn> when you reach that line step through machine instructions until you find a str/ldr that crashes
2016-12-29T00:06:42 < Thorn> stepi/nexti
2016-12-29T00:06:56 < KolK> I've tried it 
2016-12-29T00:07:15 < KolK> with stepi everything works well
2016-12-29T00:07:54 < KolK> I'll try once again with taking a special look on str/ldr
2016-12-29T00:09:02 < zyp> KolK, which optimization level do you build with? have you tried several?
2016-12-29T00:11:17 < KolK> zyp: now I compile without optimization, I have been trying with size optimization
2016-12-29T00:11:20 < zyp> KolK, also, I believe step is equivalent to setting a breakpoint on the next source line and running until you hit it, which differ from stepi in that it doesn't inhibit interrupts
2016-12-29T00:12:04 < zyp> not 100% sure on that though
2016-12-29T00:12:11 < KolK> LeelooMinai, yes, but I'm afraid that it can cause new problems
2016-12-29T00:14:35 < zyp> KolK, by the way, which chip is this? did you read Steffanx' article on debugging imprecise error by disabling write buffering?
2016-12-29T00:14:57 < zyp> if that's possible on the chip you're using, you should probably give that a try
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2016-12-29T00:20:22 < KolK> zyp: my chip is stm32f429zi
2016-12-29T00:21:15 < zyp> then disabling write buffering is probably an option, read through the link Steffanx posted
2016-12-29T00:22:13 < zyp> also
2016-12-29T00:22:21 < zyp> «when I do things with stepi, everything works well»
2016-12-29T00:22:31 < zyp> are you sure you stepped enough instructions?
2016-12-29T00:23:43 < zyp> if you're getting different behavior across a section of code between stepi and running it, it's either timing sensitive or you have some reentrancy issues with interrupts messing around
2016-12-29T00:23:58 < zyp> and this code shouldn't be timing sensitive
2016-12-29T00:24:03 < KolK> zyp: I have split layout and see where exactly I am
2016-12-29T00:24:16 < KolK> I have noticed interesting thing
2016-12-29T00:24:38 < zyp> exactly in terms of assembly instructions? good
2016-12-29T00:26:23 < KolK> when I use next command, everything breaks here: 0x8013050 <tcp_output+352>      ldr    r3, [r7, #28], so at the first instruction of given line
2016-12-29T00:26:43 < KolK> using stepi I can reach end of call without breaking anything
2016-12-29T00:26:54 < KolK> I'm going to try things from artilce you gave
2016-12-29T00:28:12 < zyp> I believe that's 28 dec, not 28 hex
2016-12-29T00:28:27 < KolK> no, I'm wrong
2016-12-29T00:28:39 < KolK> It's not first instruction
2016-12-29T00:28:49 < zyp> it probably will be a valid address, keep in mind that it's an imprecise error
2016-12-29T00:31:09 < zyp> yep, and that ldr would be a load that happens later
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2016-12-29T00:34:59 < zyp> but given that it's possible to single step over it all, I'm not convinced there's a problem in this code at all
2016-12-29T00:36:34 < KolK> LeelooMinai, not yet
2016-12-29T00:36:44 < zyp> KolK, which interrupts are you using?
2016-12-29T00:36:55 < KolK> I'm going to do it now, because I cannot do nothing more with gdb
2016-12-29T00:37:31 < KolK> zyp, ETH, USB FS, UART4
2016-12-29T00:37:53 < zyp> can you pastebin the ETH ISR?
2016-12-29T00:38:12 < zyp> are the other ISRs touching any of this code at all?
2016-12-29T00:38:34 < zyp> is it possible to disable the USB and UART interrupts to rule out a conflict with those?
2016-12-29T00:39:02 < KolK> zyp, I'll try
2016-12-29T00:39:32 < zyp> LeelooMinai, what do you mean by not triggered? ISR_NUMBER is the currently active ISR
2016-12-29T00:43:40 < zyp> judging by https://dpaste.de/1pTs this is all happening inside the ETH ISR
2016-12-29T00:45:16 < zyp> hmm, unless there's higher priority interrupts, that rules out interrupt interference
2016-12-29T00:45:35 < zyp> since the ETH ISR can't be preempted except by higher priority interrupts
2016-12-29T00:45:58 < zyp> KolK, is this correct, is the faulting function called by the ETH ISR?
2016-12-29T00:46:53 < zyp> the ISR_NUMBER of course
2016-12-29T00:46:57 < zyp> 0x4d is ETH
2016-12-29T00:47:42 < zyp> IPSR is the lower part of PSR
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2016-12-29T00:49:09 < zyp> exactly, PSR consists of IPSR, EPSR and APSR
2016-12-29T00:49:26 < zyp> that's why they don't have any overlapping fields
2016-12-29T00:49:52 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/wBW5Cc.jpg
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2016-12-29T00:53:04 < zyp> haha
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2016-12-29T00:53:48 < Thorn> why the AHB prescaler between SYSCLK and HCLK in F4? with divider up to /512 too
2016-12-29T00:53:49 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/Laurenceb.txt
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2016-12-29T00:54:12 < zyp> Thorn, maybe you want to run AHB really slow? :p
2016-12-29T00:54:46 < KolK> yes! there is a progress! after disabling write buffer I have precise 
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2016-12-29T00:55:14 < Thorn> the only difference between them is the Ethernet PTP clock which is fed directly from SYSCLK
2016-12-29T00:55:41 < zyp> Thorn, well, and the whole cpu core that's fed from SYSCLK
2016-12-29T00:56:08 < KolK> https://dpaste.de/Uu7U
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2016-12-29T00:56:51 < zyp> KolK, so what's 080096a2? :)
2016-12-29T00:58:35 < zyp> judging by the registers I'd assume it's «str something, [r3, #8]»
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2016-12-29T01:03:24 < KolK> zyp: => 0x80096a2 <uxListRemove+22>: str     r2, [r3, #8]
2016-12-29T01:03:30 < KolK> you're right
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2016-12-29T01:05:16 < Steffanx> Hmm, how did you get to that zyp?
2016-12-29T01:06:23 < Thorn> "BusFault: (precise) accessing 0x18f7f74e" 0x18f7f74e = r3 + 8
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2016-12-29T01:15:21 < KolK> so... anybody knows why FreeRTOS' function cause such problem? :-)
2016-12-29T01:15:58 < KolK> ok, wait
2016-12-29T01:16:08 < Thorn> you're calling it from an ISR
2016-12-29T01:16:23 < Thorn> is one possibility
2016-12-29T01:16:53 < Thorn> or from an ISR with too high a priority 
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2016-12-29T01:21:19 < KolK> Thorn, yes, that's true: https://dpaste.de/x1ub
2016-12-29T01:21:32 < KolK> but I had problem with priorities of ISR before
2016-12-29T01:22:19 < KolK> FreeRTOS has protection which forbids using syscalls from ISR that has higher priority than max syscall priority
2016-12-29T01:22:47 < KolK> I changed all ISR priorities to same level as max syscall priority
2016-12-29T01:27:36 < KolK> ok, I'll fight with it tomorrow
2016-12-29T01:27:41 < KolK> thank you all for help
2016-12-29T01:30:35 < zyp> yeah, that looks like an obvious violation of reentrancy restrictions
2016-12-29T01:31:31 < Thorn> that's not the full stack trace, is it (the rest is in a different stack)?
2016-12-29T01:32:21 -!- kuldeep__ is now known as kuldeep
2016-12-29T01:32:53 < zyp> obviously something were executing when the interrupt was called
2016-12-29T01:33:39 < zyp> hmm, that's weird
2016-12-29T01:33:52 < zyp> I'd assume something called xQueueGiveFromISR would be safe to call from an ISR
2016-12-29T01:35:32 < Thorn> only if the priority is low enough iirc
2016-12-29T01:35:48 < zyp> yeah, that sounds likely
2016-12-29T01:44:00 < Thorn> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits/32f413hdiscovery.html
2016-12-29T01:45:13 < Thorn> >Integrated Wi-Fi module 802.11 b/g/n
2016-12-29T01:47:04 <@englishman> Thorn: cool, is this new
2016-12-29T01:47:17 < zyp> probably not very interesting
2016-12-29T01:47:33 <@englishman> nothing yet on octopart
2016-12-29T01:47:35 < zyp> probably just some generic serial or SPI wifi module
2016-12-29T01:47:50 < Thorn> >preview
2016-12-29T01:48:12 < kOStiX> cant wait for them to start selling the H series of stm32s
2016-12-29T01:48:20 < kOStiX> look promising
2016-12-29T01:48:29 < zyp> looks overkill
2016-12-29T01:48:57 <@englishman> http://www.inventeksys.com/products-page/wifi-modules/ism4336-m3g-l44-e-embedded-serial-to-wifi-module/
2016-12-29T01:49:25 < kOStiX> well
2016-12-29T01:49:33 < kOStiX> they are approaching the DSPs level
2016-12-29T01:49:47 < kOStiX> so thats cool for doing math intensive apps like high quality audio processing
2016-12-29T01:49:54 < Thorn> one would wish
2016-12-29T01:49:58 < kOStiX> so that does open many possibilities of markets
2016-12-29T01:50:04 <@englishman> theres another f205 onboard lol
2016-12-29T01:50:19 < kOStiX> the f4 and f7 alone allows alot to be done, but that h series will multiply that
2016-12-29T01:50:23 < Thorn> neither M7 nor the new double digit ones add new DSP functionality iirc
2016-12-29T01:50:27 < zyp> LeelooMinai, i.e. psoc? :p
2016-12-29T01:51:03 < zyp> LeelooMinai, psoc aside, have you looked at lpc43xx's SGPIO/SCT?
2016-12-29T01:52:22 < kOStiX> yeah
2016-12-29T01:52:33 < zyp> the SGPIO/SCT stuff looks convenient for making custom protocol serializers/deserializers, but lpc chips seems utterly horrible to work with
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2016-12-29T01:54:15 < zyp> every time I've considered using lpc for a project, I've got to the prototyping stage and hit the «wtf?» when I look at the IO stuff, and that have turned me off from it completely
2016-12-29T01:54:59 < Thorn> I liked the m0 lpcs that I've used
2016-12-29T01:55:04 < zyp> so yeah, I agree, I'd like to see some peripherals like that in stm32
2016-12-29T01:55:06 < zyp> LeelooMinai, hang on
2016-12-29T01:55:32 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/oGzd8.png <- this, for instance
2016-12-29T01:57:03 < zyp> yes, there's no order to it at all, good luck generalizing the gpio setup code without using some sort of lookup table
2016-12-29T01:57:21 < zyp> that's from lpc11c IIRC
2016-12-29T01:57:45 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/Awxwi <- and this is the function table for lpc43xx
2016-12-29T01:58:29 < zyp> it's really fun how GPIO5[10] is function 4 on P3_7 for instance
2016-12-29T01:58:50 < zyp> while GPIO2[12] is function 0 on P5_3
2016-12-29T01:59:12 < ColdKeyboard> When I get 134481396 as ADC value I know something is f-ed up...
2016-12-29T01:59:57 < ColdKeyboard> Any pitfalls that I should be aware when using STM32F072's ADC+DMA to do continous conversion?
2016-12-29T02:00:00 < zyp> unless you have a 32-bit ADC or an ADC that can do top-aligned 32-bit out, I'd say so, yes
2016-12-29T02:00:18 < ColdKeyboard>   hadc.Init.Resolution = ADC_RESOLUTION_12B;
2016-12-29T02:00:18 < ColdKeyboard>   hadc.Init.DataAlign = ADC_DATAALIGN_RIGHT;
2016-12-29T02:00:44 < zyp> why are you getting 32-bit numbers anyway? at what point is it converted from 16 to 32 bits?
2016-12-29T02:01:48 < kOStiX> maybe you need to rearrange the bytes'
2016-12-29T02:01:49 < kOStiX> ?
2016-12-29T02:02:28 < zyp> that's 0x080405f4 which could be two 12-bit samples padded to 16 bits and concatenated
2016-12-29T02:02:48 < zyp> i.e. 0x804 and 0x5f4
2016-12-29T02:03:15 < ColdKeyboard> Hmmm, that means DMA would just copy upper and lowe bytes and concatenate them? Is that correct?
2016-12-29T02:03:36 < zyp> ColdKeyboard, first of all, what is the type of your data buffer?
2016-12-29T02:03:50 < ColdKeyboard> uint32_t
2016-12-29T02:04:04 < zyp> uint32_t[] ?
2016-12-29T02:04:23 < ColdKeyboard> Yes, uint32_t ADCBuffer[9] = {0};
2016-12-29T02:04:36 < zyp> why are you using a 32-bit array to hold 12-bit values?
2016-12-29T02:05:13 < ColdKeyboard> HAL is expecting that -> HAL_StatusTypeDef HAL_ADC_Start_DMA(ADC_HandleTypeDef* hadc, uint32_t* pData, uint32_t Length), right?
2016-12-29T02:05:35 < zyp> wat
2016-12-29T02:06:17 < zyp> there's a HAL function to set up DMA against ADC and it manages to fuck up this bad?
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2016-12-29T02:07:15 < ColdKeyboard> zyp: Well I am also a moron factor in that equation so... pretty sure I fucked something up, just I havent used it before on this chip
2016-12-29T02:08:34 < zyp> so, uh
2016-12-29T02:08:47 < kOStiX> i have used smaller size variables in those functions it works fine
2016-12-29T02:08:53 < zyp> I'm not familiar with HAL, but google found me this: http://visualgdb.com/tutorials/arm/stm32/adc/
2016-12-29T02:09:05 < zyp> do you have to manually configure DMA like in step 19 there?
2016-12-29T02:09:05 < kOStiX> like you can use a uint16_t there and should be no problem
2016-12-29T02:09:21 < zyp> but still pass the buffer to HAL_ADC_Start_DMA()?
2016-12-29T02:09:38 < kOStiX> yeah
2016-12-29T02:09:56 < zyp> okay, you got the size wrong in the config part then
2016-12-29T02:10:24 < zyp> probably MemDataAlignment, but idk, I'm not familiar with HAL
2016-12-29T02:10:50 < kOStiX> there's also that burst config which might mess with that
2016-12-29T02:11:19 < zyp> that API looks super retarded
2016-12-29T02:11:45 < kOStiX> apparently they are working on a lower level library
2016-12-29T02:12:01 < kOStiX> i read somewhere
2016-12-29T02:12:40 < zyp> I mean, why would you make a function that configures the DMA buffer and starts it, but require the user to do the rest of the DMA configuration?
2016-12-29T02:12:50 < zyp> and then make assumptions about the transfer size
2016-12-29T02:12:57 < kOStiX> i think its not bad for configurating stuff, once you get a grip of the procedure
2016-12-29T02:13:15 < zyp> unless the user needs the data to end up 32-bit aligned, it's retarded to use a 32-bit array for 12-bit samples too
2016-12-29T02:15:00 < stvn> rofl
2016-12-29T02:15:21 < kOStiX> in the manuals they do recommend to use 32 bit variables when possible
2016-12-29T02:15:55 < kOStiX> i guess its faster to store, rather than pack lower bit sizes
2016-12-29T02:15:57 < zyp> that's not comparable
2016-12-29T02:16:36 < zyp> for stuff like DMA buffers it's super wasteful
2016-12-29T02:18:01 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no need, ADC can't do more than 16 bits in any case, so there's no reason 16 should't be the default
2016-12-29T02:18:40 < zyp> also there's nothing to template either, the HAL_ADC_Start_DMA doesn't touch the data itself, it could take a void*
2016-12-29T02:19:40 < zyp> void* is still the way to go
2016-12-29T02:21:14 < zyp> this doesn't have anything to do with C++, it's just plain bad API desing
2016-12-29T02:21:51 < ColdKeyboard> http://pastie.org/10986324 so this is DMA config and values that I read over UART...
2016-12-29T02:21:59 < zyp> why not? it's the obvious type for arbitrary buffers, even in C++
2016-12-29T02:23:02 < zyp> why do you argue if you don't know?
2016-12-29T02:23:05 < zyp> :)
2016-12-29T02:24:26 < kOStiX> isnt that uint32_t* pData, refers that pData can have 2^32 of possible address locations?
2016-12-29T02:24:36 < zyp> haha, no
2016-12-29T02:25:21 < stvn> wtf am i reading
2016-12-29T02:25:38 < Thorn> uint32_t* pData means that *pData is an uint32_t
2016-12-29T02:25:47 < Thorn> in case you're serious
2016-12-29T02:26:45 < zyp> okay, I think that was the sign I should go do something more productive now, maybe moving around some parts on these pcb designs I'm working on so I can pretend I've been productive tonight
2016-12-29T02:27:27 < Thorn> I have no chance of completing that project within a day :/
2016-12-29T02:27:46 < kOStiX> ah right sorry
2016-12-29T02:27:51 < Thorn> is there anything useful @ seeed except the fusion service
2016-12-29T02:28:35 < stvn> the pigs are out tonight
2016-12-29T02:28:45 < Thorn> so that I can use my coupon
2016-12-29T02:30:14 < stvn> coupon?
2016-12-29T02:30:57 < stvn> dave is a telephone pole
2016-12-29T02:31:41 < stvn> lol
2016-12-29T02:32:06 < stvn> he bit off my clitoris
2016-12-29T02:32:51 < Thorn> $25 coupon
2016-12-29T02:32:55 < stvn> who knows
2016-12-29T02:34:13 < stvn> ok
2016-12-29T02:37:20 < stvn> nah
2016-12-29T02:37:31 < stvn> can already do that regardless
2016-12-29T02:37:54 < aandrew> chemical castration's a hell of a drug
2016-12-29T02:38:16 < stvn> indeed
2016-12-29T02:38:23 < stvn> wonder how many kids he touched
2016-12-29T02:38:47 < stvn> no LeelooMinai 
2016-12-29T02:38:55 < aandrew> who despises eevblog
2016-12-29T02:39:09 < aandrew> I don't mind him, I just find the exaggerated voice annoying to listen to but he seems a good guy
2016-12-29T02:39:11 < stvn> nobody cares aandrew 
2016-12-29T02:39:30 < stvn> it's just fun rustling his legion of supporters
2016-12-29T02:41:28 < stvn> it's proven by statistics
2016-12-29T02:42:03 < ReadErr> can anyone come up with a derogatory term for a 'white male'
2016-12-29T02:42:10 < stvn> nigger
2016-12-29T02:42:20 < ReadErr> doesnt phase me
2016-12-29T02:42:23 < stvn> same
2016-12-29T02:42:24 < ReadErr> and im black
2016-12-29T02:42:28 < aandrew> I was actually talking about stvn's high voice
2016-12-29T02:42:29 < stvn> same
2016-12-29T02:42:37 < stvn> lul
2016-12-29T02:42:49 < stvn> me too aandrew 
2016-12-29T02:42:52 < zyp> asians have «round eyes», supposedly
2016-12-29T02:42:54 < stvn> that fucking paedophile
2016-12-29T02:43:13 < aandrew> haha
2016-12-29T02:43:27 < aandrew> my appleid (foobar@mixdown.ca) was used to sign in to a new machine
2016-12-29T02:43:35 < aandrew> too bad foobar@mixdown.ca has never seen an appleid
2016-12-29T02:43:48 < stvn> well
2016-12-29T02:43:58 < stvn> i better do some work today
2016-12-29T02:44:06 < aandrew> link sends me off to pattayasmiledental.com
2016-12-29T02:44:39 < stvn> i miss fort myers beach
2016-12-29T02:44:52 < zyp> LeelooMinai, lots of derogatory terms are factual adjectives
2016-12-29T02:45:27 < stvn> i sat on the chair cat was sitting on so now cat is sitting under the chair
2016-12-29T02:45:56 < zyp> LeelooMinai, well, in norwegian «black» is not considered politically correct
2016-12-29T02:45:57 < ReadErr> did you sit on the cat
2016-12-29T02:46:02 < stvn> sort of
2016-12-29T02:46:10 < stvn> to get it out of the way
2016-12-29T02:46:10 < stvn> lol
2016-12-29T02:46:11 < zyp> LeelooMinai, the PC term is «dark-skinned»
2016-12-29T02:46:20 < stvn> haha PC 
2016-12-29T02:46:32 < ReadErr> like a white female you can call them a 'cunt' and get a rise out of them
2016-12-29T02:46:41 < stvn> lul
2016-12-29T02:46:43 < ReadErr> but theres nothing you could call me which would upset me
2016-12-29T02:46:43 < ColdKeyboard> What should be the value for ADC DMA Periph and Mem data alignment? Half-word?
2016-12-29T02:47:01 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: what language is that
2016-12-29T02:47:48 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7CgWH8jX4
2016-12-29T02:48:54 < stvn> those god damned Pussy Crushers
2016-12-29T02:50:43 < stvn> it's hilarious
2016-12-29T02:51:00 < stvn> an answer for the problem which doesn't exist
2016-12-29T02:51:44 < ReadErr> "88 is a good number"
2016-12-29T02:51:48 < ReadErr> nazi confirmed
2016-12-29T02:52:12 < stvn> are you lookin at me cause i'm black
2016-12-29T02:52:13 < stvn> go on
2016-12-29T02:52:18 < stvn> stick a shotgun up my pussy
2016-12-29T02:52:45 < ReadErr> lol dave is sperging
2016-12-29T02:52:52 < ReadErr> people are trolling him
2016-12-29T02:53:34 < stvn> rofl
2016-12-29T02:53:42 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: "That whole business of using PC, SJW, etc. as derogatory labels is kind of cheap - it's a deflection strategy."
2016-12-29T02:53:45 < aandrew> I disagree
2016-12-29T02:53:49 < upgrdman> i wonder if some enterprising web dev has written some javascript that would mine buttcoins on the user's computer to generate revenue in ways other than ads
2016-12-29T02:54:10 < stvn> everything mines rapecoins
2016-12-29T02:54:16 < stvn> all your stupid video games off steam do
2016-12-29T02:54:17 < aandrew> people who tend to identify as PC, SJW, etc. are usually NOT reasonable people to begin with
2016-12-29T02:54:43 < stvn> aandrew, do you remember when senpai blocked LeelooMinai 
2016-12-29T02:54:50 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: there's a line between being civil and shutting down conversations due to perceived slights 
2016-12-29T02:55:18 < aandrew> and most people who tend to bring up PC/SJW bullshit are exactly the type of people I prefer not to bother with at all
2016-12-29T02:55:23 < stvn> englishman is our leader now
2016-12-29T02:55:45 < upgrdman> who is senpai
2016-12-29T02:55:51 < aandrew> personally I think anyone here being banned for any reason is pretty lame
2016-12-29T02:55:55 < stvn> ReadErr knows about senpai 
2016-12-29T02:56:00 < aandrew> considering how off-topic this channel is 90% of the time
2016-12-29T02:56:07 < aandrew> stvn: i don't, I wasn't here
2016-12-29T02:56:43 < zyp> aandrew, the channel not having a topic doesn't entitle anybody to be an obnoxious asshole
2016-12-29T02:57:16 < aandrew> zyp: I didn't see what went on yesterday but given the usual suspects I find it very difficult to believe it was LeelooMinai who was the obnoxious asshole
2016-12-29T02:57:29 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: see I dont' see that
2016-12-29T02:57:30 < stvn> nobody bans senpai
2016-12-29T02:57:40 < ReadErr> yukuza 
2016-12-29T02:57:40 < upgrdman> who is senpai
2016-12-29T02:57:45 < stvn> lol
2016-12-29T02:57:48 < zyp> LeelooMinai, maybe because he's contributing with more useful stuff than you
2016-12-29T02:57:50 < ReadErr> i like my fingers
2016-12-29T02:57:53 < aandrew> I see the PC/SJW types rallying to call for banishment of some individual they don't agree with
2016-12-29T02:58:05 < aandrew> what is SIJW?
2016-12-29T02:58:09 < ReadErr> lol this chan has never been a safe space
2016-12-29T02:58:13 < stvn> rofl
2016-12-29T02:58:21 < stvn> this gets better everyday
2016-12-29T02:58:43 < ReadErr> grep -c n*gg**
2016-12-29T02:58:49 < stvn> :)
2016-12-29T02:59:10 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I really do honestly believe that MOST of the shit going on in the US is agents provocateur
2016-12-29T02:59:34 < aandrew> it's been shown many times now that the people causing shit are the ones who whine the loudest that they're being abused
2016-12-29T02:59:38 < zyp> aandrew, so what you're saying is that you're a conspiracy theorist?
2016-12-29T02:59:43 < aandrew> no, no
2016-12-29T03:00:09 < aandrew> there are a LOT of arrogant ignorant assholes in the US who are rallying beind some "new world" that trump'll bring in because he's "one of them"
2016-12-29T03:00:12 < stvn> i must peruse the log and see how many times the N word has surfaced
2016-12-29T03:00:35 < aandrew> but I do believe most of the ones that hit the news are some butthurt ultraliberal who calls the press and then creates a problem
2016-12-29T03:00:41 < zyp> $ grep -c nigger irclogs/Freenode/##stm32.log 
2016-12-29T03:00:41 < zyp> 197
2016-12-29T03:00:53 < aandrew> I also feel that BLM ought to be classified a terrorist organization
2016-12-29T03:01:02 < aandrew> there is nothing that they're fighting for that is actually about black lives mattering
2016-12-29T03:01:16 < ReadErr> zyp: how many are from dongs lol
2016-12-29T03:01:24 < ReadErr> or r2com
2016-12-29T03:01:28 < gxti> surprisingly low fraction
2016-12-29T03:01:32 < aandrew> they're loud obnoxious assholes who want press and will cause incidents to show just how badly BLM is needed
2016-12-29T03:01:37 < gxti> too lazy to think of all his alternate names though
2016-12-29T03:01:58 < ReadErr> or just fag
2016-12-29T03:02:17 < aandrew> I followed a fair amount of the black men getting killed by cops; in many (not all) situations, I have a hard time believing they weren't trying to commit suicide by cop
2016-12-29T03:02:33 < aandrew> there are a lot of dirty cops though too, so it's very tough to try to sort 
2016-12-29T03:02:49 < zyp> LeelooMinai, have you considered that what you think of as useful might not necessarily be perceived so by others?
2016-12-29T03:03:35 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: again, lots of ignorant and "empowered" bigots, but I am eager to get Trump into the oval office to see what he really will do
2016-12-29T03:03:43 < aandrew> I don't think he's stupid at all. GWB was absolutely not stupid
2016-12-29T03:04:05 < aandrew> but like GWB, Trump has this way of making people underestimate him. I'm not sure that it's good
2016-12-29T03:04:20 < aandrew> and the man is a buffoon to boot, so it's hard to tell when he's pretending and when he's not
2016-12-29T03:04:23 < aandrew> actually
2016-12-29T03:04:25 < aandrew> I just realized something
2016-12-29T03:04:37 < aandrew> I think the US actually elected Zaphod Beeblebrox
2016-12-29T03:04:43 < ReadErr> I love his definition of 'draining the swap'
2016-12-29T03:04:46 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I know. I'm cautiously optimistic
2016-12-29T03:04:56 < ReadErr> he entire cabinet is billionaires almost 
2016-12-29T03:05:21 < aandrew> SOme of his policies actually have good intentions and goals, but I'm concerned that a bull in the china shop approach will render them useless
2016-12-29T03:05:47 < aandrew> I'm absolutely no fan of him, nor of Clinton. The American people wanted change and boy howdy, they sure got it
2016-12-29T03:05:58 < ReadErr> his muslim registry 
2016-12-29T03:06:02 < ReadErr> el oh el
2016-12-29T03:06:17 < aandrew> there will be no wall. there will be no registry. there will be no mass deportations
2016-12-29T03:06:21 < aandrew> this is all rederick
2016-12-29T03:06:27 < ReadErr> look at what happened last time people of a religion had their names on a list ;)
2016-12-29T03:06:30 < gxti> ... rederick?
2016-12-29T03:06:34 < gxti> rederick.
2016-12-29T03:07:22 < aandrew> I think that's how it's spelled. Maybe it's just a fucked up pronounciation of rhetoric, not sure
2016-12-29T03:07:38 < zyp> hmm, routing 2L boards is annoying, I always worry too much about crossing signals because I want to cut as little as possible in the ground planes
2016-12-29T03:08:01 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I do believe he is a patriot. Perhpas not the brightest one
2016-12-29T03:08:13 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: but again, I'm cautiously optimistic. 
2016-12-29T03:08:24 < aandrew> zyp: agreed
2016-12-29T03:08:28 < aandrew> 2l is teh suck
2016-12-29T03:11:03 < ReadErr> weechat is pretty kewl
2016-12-29T03:11:09 < ReadErr> much cooler than irssi anyways
2016-12-29T03:11:28 < ReadErr> had never used it before yesterday
2016-12-29T03:12:07 < stvn> zyp, can you grep -c autism irclogs/Freenode/##stm32.log pls
2016-12-29T03:12:22 < ReadErr> i thought only germans used that
2016-12-29T03:12:30 < zyp> stvn, 443
2016-12-29T03:12:42 < stvn> thanks
2016-12-29T03:12:43 -!- Spirit532_ is now known as Spirit532
2016-12-29T03:12:49 < ReadErr> zyp: what about jew
2016-12-29T03:13:08 < zyp> no, stop it
2016-12-29T03:13:08 < ReadErr> jew\|kike
2016-12-29T03:13:12 < zyp> grep your own logs
2016-12-29T03:14:59 < ReadErr> the more you use them, the less powerful they become
2016-12-29T03:15:12 < aandrew> irssi owns all your irc clients
2016-12-29T03:15:45 < ReadErr> aandrew: that was my irsee of choice previously but weechat seems much more developed
2016-12-29T03:16:55 < ReadErr> mostly
2016-12-29T03:17:50 < ReadErr> https://github.com/glowing-bear/glowing-bear
2016-12-29T03:17:53 < ReadErr> has stuff like that though
2016-12-29T03:20:37 < ReadErr> yea it is
2016-12-29T03:21:55 < ReadErr> core?
2016-12-29T03:24:51 < stvn> where can i buy grep
2016-12-29T03:25:13 < ReadErr> buy windows10
2016-12-29T03:25:18 < ReadErr> enable the lunix feature
2016-12-29T03:25:18 < stvn> i have it
2016-12-29T03:25:22 < stvn> eww
2016-12-29T03:25:28 < stvn> i don't want to blow it up
2016-12-29T03:25:28 < ReadErr> its v'nice
2016-12-29T03:25:42 < stvn> hmm
2016-12-29T03:25:59 < ReadErr> way mo nice than that cygwin shit
2016-12-29T03:26:05 < ReadErr> or grab mobaxterm
2016-12-29T03:26:07 < zyp> if you guys were putting an i2c eeprom on a board, to contain board id and serial and other metadata shit, what would you do with the WP pin?
2016-12-29T03:26:23 < aandrew> I've never liked GUI for IRC
2016-12-29T03:26:37 < aandrew> even the Slack channels I am on I try my best to get them to enable the IRC gateway
2016-12-29T03:26:39 < ReadErr> does irssi support mouse clicks?
2016-12-29T03:26:49 < ReadErr> like to whois and change channels
2016-12-29T03:26:51 < aandrew> why do yo uneed mouse clicks in IRC?
2016-12-29T03:27:02 < ReadErr> for 1handed ircing
2016-12-29T03:27:06 < aandrew> alt 1-9 and alt q-p
2016-12-29T03:27:06 < ReadErr> idk
2016-12-29T03:27:11 < aandrew> also /win ##
2016-12-29T03:27:19 < ReadErr> i always mapped to /w #
2016-12-29T03:27:35 < stvn> -1Ω resistor
2016-12-29T03:28:27 < stvn> what if you're like me i have no hands
2016-12-29T03:28:28 < aandrew> I suppose, but I don't need any of that for IRC
2016-12-29T03:28:35 < zyp> okay, for the sake of discussion, let's call this board peripheral board, which connects to a master board which will interrogate this to check what peripheral is connected
2016-12-29T03:28:48 < aandrew> been using it for close to 20 years now, I don't think I'll change anytime soon :-)
2016-12-29T03:29:17 < aandrew> heh just looked it up, it's the same age as my eldest daughter
2016-12-29T03:29:26 < zyp> the way I see it, I have three reasonable approaches for the WP pin
2016-12-29T03:29:30 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yep, IDEs are *horrible*
2016-12-29T03:29:33 < aandrew> well no
2016-12-29T03:29:39 < aandrew> Xamian isn't bad (C#) 
2016-12-29T03:29:44 < aandrew> but Eclipse? fuck that
2016-12-29T03:29:48 < zyp> 1: connect it low and forget about it, letting the eeprom stay unprotected
2016-12-29T03:30:37 < zyp> 2: add a pullup and some sort of test point to drive it down during board manufacturing/testing
2016-12-29T03:31:07 < zyp> 3: add a pullup and bring WP over to master so master can drive it down in case it needs to write it
2016-12-29T03:32:30 < zyp> 2 and 3 will probably be identical on the peripheral board side, since in case 2 I'd probably run it to the same FFC cable and just leave it unconnected on the master side
2016-12-29T03:33:43 < zyp> but on the other hand, I figure it might be useful to let the master be able to write it, could store shit like config or calibration data which could need to be updated later
2016-12-29T03:34:01 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: heh I'd argue the same for vi or irssi :-)
2016-12-29T03:34:38 < zyp> and if master is in full control of WP; is there a point in messing with WP at all vs just leaving it read-write?
2016-12-29T03:35:12 < zyp> any opinions?
2016-12-29T03:35:49 < aandrew> zyp: I would pull up, add zero ohm to either CPU pin or test point, depending on whether you need the CPU to be able to write it or just need to write it in factory
2016-12-29T03:36:05 < aandrew> if it's a proto, definitely the zero ohm, if it's a tested design, NP the zero ohm
2016-12-29T03:37:06 < aandrew> altium you goofy bastard
2016-12-29T03:37:21 < aandrew> ak-misc.schlib and ak-misc.pcblib are compiled to give ak-misc.intlib
2016-12-29T03:37:23 < zyp> what I'm wondering is «what exactly do I want to protect against?»
2016-12-29T03:37:41 < aandrew> a symbol in schlib which uses a footprint in pcblib cannot have the library declared as "ak-misc.intlib" even though when it's compiled the footprint will be there
2016-12-29T03:38:00 < aandrew> zyp: Murphy. that's what
2016-12-29T03:38:22 < aandrew> zyp: good engineering is to ensure you can't accidentally write to it
2016-12-29T03:38:32 < zyp> yeah
2016-12-29T03:38:33 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai (or others) do you use any sort of lint tool for java development? just found http://findbugs.sourceforge.net/ but no idea if its decent
2016-12-29T03:38:47 < aandrew> which means if it must be under CPU control, your driver never drives the pin until it writes, and then immediately write protects after
2016-12-29T03:40:29 < zyp> this i2c eeprom should have had some otp or lock bits :)
2016-12-29T03:40:40 < aandrew> zyp: so put one down that has it
2016-12-29T03:40:52 < zyp> any suggestions?
2016-12-29T03:40:53 < aandrew> 24AA series has OUI written to it
2016-12-29T03:40:55 < aandrew> yeah moment
2016-12-29T03:41:11 < aandrew> 24AA02E48/OT
2016-12-29T03:41:20 < aandrew> depends on how much space you need
2016-12-29T03:42:26 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, k thx
2016-12-29T03:44:45 < zyp> aandrew, ah, 24AA025E48/SN might be a perfect fit
2016-12-29T03:46:20 < zyp> I need the address pins
2016-12-29T03:46:39 < zyp> there will be two peripheral boards :)
2016-12-29T03:50:16 < ColdKeyboard> These ADC values that I get from DMA make absolutely no sense. Vref, Temp and Vbat are all about ~0.xV according to these values...
2016-12-29T03:52:27 < zyp> aandrew, I don't see anything about OTP or lock bits
2016-12-29T03:52:31 < ColdKeyboard> Does DMA transfer that 12bit value as 2 concatanated values or something? I don't see how to make any sense from this data...
2016-12-29T03:52:40 < zyp> aandrew, just readonly OUI and read-write everything else
2016-12-29T03:52:55 < aandrew> yes
2016-12-29T03:53:01 < aandrew> I wasn't saying it had OTP
2016-12-29T03:53:03 < aandrew> just OUI :-)
2016-12-29T03:54:15 < zyp> well, OUI could serve as board serial, but I also want to write board type, assembly variant and revision information into it
2016-12-29T03:54:28 < aandrew> sure, that's what the WP pin is for
2016-12-29T03:54:48 < zyp> this part doesn't have any WP pin, it's NC
2016-12-29T03:55:10 < aandrew> hm?
2016-12-29T03:55:14 < aandrew> which did you use?
2016-12-29T03:55:21 < zyp> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/22124D.pdf
2016-12-29T03:55:51 < aandrew> hm
2016-12-29T03:55:57 < aandrew> I must be using the wrong schematic symbol
2016-12-29T03:56:05 < aandrew> it's routed to 5 but yeah the datasheet says 5 is NC
2016-12-29T03:56:11 < aandrew> good catch
2016-12-29T03:56:37 < zyp> anyway, you made me realize I should search for parts with lockable sectors, so I'm doing that now :p
2016-12-29T03:57:00 < zyp> «The M24M02-DR offers an additional page, named the Identification Page (256 byte). The Identification Page can be used to store sensitive application parameters which can be (later) permanently locked in Read-only mode.»
2016-12-29T03:57:07 < zyp> that sounds like what I want, reading datasheet
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2016-12-29T04:03:01 < zyp> yeah, sounds good, but it's 2Mb so it's probably expensive as fuck
2016-12-29T04:03:12 < zyp> relative to the 2kb ones, at least :p
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2016-12-29T04:04:19 < zyp> digikey has it for $2 @1k
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2016-12-29T04:09:11 < ColdKeyboard> zyp: Try https://octopart.com/
2016-12-29T04:09:22 < ColdKeyboard> Digikey is well stocked but pricey
2016-12-29T04:11:01 < zyp> I'm well aware, but it's a convenient comparison point
2016-12-29T04:11:25 < zyp> I look at it as the «worst case price», if I don't find it cheaper elsewhere
2016-12-29T04:14:38 < ColdKeyboard> Yeap, I also use DigiKey as point of reference but also I keep in mind that they are not the cheapest supplier :)
2016-12-29T04:14:53 < zyp> ah, entire M24Cxx-D series have identification page
2016-12-29T04:15:37 < zyp> M24C32-D is $.2 @1k
2016-12-29T04:16:37 < zyp> 32 byte large identification page
2016-12-29T04:16:38 < zyp> hmm
2016-12-29T04:17:14 < zyp> I'd think that should be plenty to store board type and serial
2016-12-29T04:18:11 < ColdKeyboard> How many board types and serials do you plan to have? :)
2016-12-29T04:18:59 < zyp> haha, idk
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2016-12-29T04:21:41 < ColdKeyboard> Well if you have less than 256 board types, 31byte is a lot of boards :)
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2016-12-29T04:24:28 < zyp> was thinking to throw in both a readable board type string and a class/variant/revison hierarchy
2016-12-29T04:24:38 < zyp> maybe I've spent too much time around usb descriptors :)
2016-12-29T04:25:04 < zyp> but anyway, this shit is good
2016-12-29T04:26:16 < ColdKeyboard> Keep it simple. And then if necessary in code you can have conversion from binary to noob friendly string :)
2016-12-29T04:26:43 < zyp> that assumes master firmware knows about all peripheral board variants
2016-12-29T04:27:46 < zyp> I want to be able to have it say «can't recognize board type BLAH_BLAH»
2016-12-29T04:28:05 < ColdKeyboard> Well someone has to know the whole list, right? What good is it if it tells your board "I come in peace" if your board doesn't know what that means?
2016-12-29T04:28:29 < zyp> different masters might support different peripheral boards :)
2016-12-29T04:29:00 < zyp> and older master firmwares might not recognize newer peripheral variants
2016-12-29T04:29:39 < ColdKeyboard> True, but still, what is the difference between "I don't know wtf is this periph" and "This is new board that I cannot use" ? :) It won't work in both cases :D
2016-12-29T04:30:55 < zyp> same reason usb device descriptor got both idProduct and iProduct :)
2016-12-29T04:31:06 < ColdKeyboard> Btw I'm still stuck with that ADC+DMA thingy... I have 6 ADC channels and VBat, Temp and Vref... all of them are <= 300 when I read ADC buffer... which is crazy.
2016-12-29T04:31:34 < zyp> try reading only one channel
2016-12-29T04:31:42 < zyp> get that working first
2016-12-29T04:33:19 < ColdKeyboard> Sounds good. I'll try that
2016-12-29T04:36:38 < zyp> so okay, that solves the WP stuff nicely, when I can lock the identification page I'll just leave the rest writable
2016-12-29T04:37:20 < ColdKeyboard> zyp: What are you working on? If I may ask
2016-12-29T04:38:15 < zyp> EV charge controller
2016-12-29T04:39:00 < zyp> but this will be a stack of three boards in a DIN-rail-mountable enclosure, and only the middle board (master) will be EV specific
2016-12-29T04:39:56 < zyp> bottom board deals with power supply, relays and energy measurement, top board will have a display and some buttons
2016-12-29T04:40:29 < zyp> I imagine reusing the top/bottom boards for other projects
2016-12-29T04:40:42 < zyp> or replacing the top/bottom boards for the EV projects
2016-12-29T04:40:57 < ColdKeyboard> Nice. Sounds like a big project :)
2016-12-29T04:41:29 < zyp> like, one feature I'm considering in the future is adding a rfid reader to the top board, for authentication
2016-12-29T04:42:00 < zyp> and in that case I'd like to keep a common feature and just detect whether the top board has a nfc reader or not
2016-12-29T04:42:06 < zyp> common firmware*
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2016-12-29T04:42:54 < zyp> I also imagine different power measurement solutions on the bottom board, even dropping it completely to save cost if it's not required
2016-12-29T04:43:32 < ColdKeyboard> Is this a project for yourself or you are developing it for someone?
2016-12-29T04:43:47 < stvn> i like where this is going
2016-12-29T04:44:12 < ColdKeyboard> stvn? Just making conversation...
2016-12-29T04:44:31 < zyp> I'm doing it as a hobby project because I'm annoyed how everything in the EV charging market is shitty and/or overpriced
2016-12-29T04:44:50 < ColdKeyboard> lmao
2016-12-29T04:45:19 < ColdKeyboard> Spies also know how to read manuals and get ADC to work... So I failed there :)
2016-12-29T04:45:26 < dongs> hm where's emeb
2016-12-29T04:45:35 < zyp> so my short term goal is to make it and get it to work, but I'm not ruling out it turning into a marketable product
2016-12-29T04:46:17 < zyp> last time I made something because I thought «this is shit, I could make it better», I ended up with something that I've now sold 600 units of
2016-12-29T04:47:17 < stvn> LeelooMinai, I looked that motherfucker dead in the eye and i said it. "Go ahead, stick a shotgun in my pussy"
2016-12-29T04:47:25 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yeah, I've already thought about that
2016-12-29T04:47:36 < dongs> has leelooman hanged himself with solder braid yet
2016-12-29T04:47:43 < stvn> hahahaha
2016-12-29T04:47:47 < stvn> no of course not
2016-12-29T04:47:52 < dongs> unfortunate
2016-12-29T04:48:20 < zyp> LeelooMinai, every provider of highend systems are offering their own online management shit, and I'm still tempted to make my own too :p
2016-12-29T04:48:41 < stvn> thunder and rain in summer
2016-12-29T04:48:43 < dongs> the other day i had a pretty good idea for internet of shit device
2016-12-29T04:48:45 < stvn> fuck you australia
2016-12-29T04:48:46 < dongs> but then I forgot it
2016-12-29T04:49:17 < zyp> LeelooMinai, charge points
2016-12-29T04:50:04 < zyp> anything from showing logged consumption on your home charger, to payment administration on a network of charge points in a public charging garage
2016-12-29T04:50:35 < dongs> hm so zyp, what do you think is going on here? if Iinitialize and do a DMA transfer with SDIO on F401, next call to any SPI function doesnt clock anything at all
2016-12-29T04:51:11 < zyp> dongs, with plain register reads for SPI?
2016-12-29T04:51:18 < zyp> or DMA for SPI as well?
2016-12-29T04:51:30 < dongs> plain reads
2016-12-29T04:51:42 < dongs> just wait txe, dump to DR, wait for rxne, read DR
2016-12-29T04:51:45 < zyp> that sounds pretty crazy
2016-12-29T04:51:46 < dongs> no DMA setup at all
2016-12-29T04:51:49 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-29T04:52:01 < zyp> sure your SDIO config doesn't fuck up any SPI related shit in RCC?
2016-12-29T04:52:10 < zyp> sounds far-fetched but I don't have any better ideas
2016-12-29T04:52:14 < dongs> but definitely SDIO related , i turn it off, it works
2016-12-29T04:52:23 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no, charge points that you plug cars into
2016-12-29T04:52:29 < dongs> yeah no, its clean, i went through all the stuff
2016-12-29T04:52:37 < dongs> all my drivers only touch RCC for themselves
2016-12-29T04:52:42 < dongs> and any required gpio etc
2016-12-29T04:52:45 < dongs> so... it should bef ine
2016-12-29T04:52:59 < zyp> LeelooMinai, this is the shit I've got now: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/OZXza.JPG
2016-12-29T04:53:32 < zyp> LeelooMinai, as far as I know, it's just subject to the same regulations as other home electrical stuff
2016-12-29T04:54:24 < dongs> hm
2016-12-29T04:55:37 < zyp> LeelooMinai, well, the basic functionality of that thing is communicating with the car
2016-12-29T04:56:08 < zyp> no, car does all the charging itself
2016-12-29T04:56:56 < zyp> this thing just says «hey, this outlet provides max 16A», and the car replies «ok, I'm a real car so it's safe to turn on power now»
2016-12-29T04:57:07 < zyp> and then it does
2016-12-29T04:57:58 < zyp> that's fast charging
2016-12-29T04:58:04 < upgrdman> wheeee  http://i.imgur.com/v5dvUJZ.gifv
2016-12-29T04:59:00 < zyp> LeelooMinai, my car has an onboard 3.7kW charger that operates from an AC supply like I just described
2016-12-29T04:59:20 < zyp> and it also supports 40kW or so fast charging
2016-12-29T04:59:33 < zyp> which hooks up the battery directly to an external charger
2016-12-29T04:59:35 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, https://i.imgur.com/e0NMAJa.gifv
2016-12-29T04:59:47 < zyp> it's the same thing
2016-12-29T04:59:55 < upgrdman> zyp, what car do you have
2016-12-29T05:00:30 < zyp> teslas got 11kW onboard chargers (more as option), and they can also hook up to 120kW or so fast chargers
2016-12-29T05:00:31 < upgrdman> do any of the e cars or hybrid ones also work as a generator with decent power? e.g. run the car as a 2kW mains AC generator or someshit?
2016-12-29T05:00:37 < zyp> upgrdman, egolf
2016-12-29T05:01:42 < zyp> upgrdman, I think there's been talk about some of the utility EVs having AC power outlets
2016-12-29T05:02:10  * stvn plugs in a fridge
2016-12-29T05:02:53 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'd love to have a 40kW DC fast charger at home, but I'm not confident I could build one on the cheap :p
2016-12-29T05:03:56 < zyp> from what I've heard, even 10kW china stuff starts at like $10k
2016-12-29T05:05:41 < zyp> one of the norwegian EV equipment shop guys are talking about starting to sell small DC chargers for home use, but he's usually full of hot air so I'm not sure much will come of that :p
2016-12-29T05:06:29 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, you should redo your work cave like this  http://i.giphy.com/WSHlQ3z1utaQE.gif
2016-12-29T05:06:59 < zyp> LeelooMinai, in what sense?
2016-12-29T05:07:30 < zyp> that was not me
2016-12-29T05:07:54 < zyp> the standardization guys are talking about different «modes»
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2016-12-29T05:08:38 < zyp> mode-1 is AC directly from normal outlet through a dumb cable and into the car
2016-12-29T05:08:40 < dongs> L0 has no stdperuphlib right
2016-12-29T05:08:54 < dongs> well fuck
2016-12-29T05:09:26 < zyp> mode-2 is AC from a normal outlet, with electronics in the cable to provide safety shit
2016-12-29T05:09:45 < zyp> mode-3 is fixed chargepoint, and mode-4 is DC
2016-12-29T05:10:38 < zyp> yeah
2016-12-29T05:11:45 < zyp> and all modern EVs are delivered with a mode-2 cable included
2016-12-29T05:12:13 < zyp> mode-1 is reserved for classic EVs, before the modern standards were finalized
2016-12-29T05:12:38 < zyp> and yes, private chargepoints requiring payment exists
2016-12-29T05:13:43 < zyp> well, the main thing is that the plug should be deenergized whenever it's not plugged into a car
2016-12-29T05:14:10 < zyp> to protect against kids sticking fingers into the plug, or dropping it into a puddle or whatever
2016-12-29T05:14:58 < zyp> and a secondary feature is that the charge point can tell the car how much current is available, so that the car can adjust automatically
2016-12-29T05:15:21 < zyp> yeah, but you don't mow your lawn in every weather condition throughout the year
2016-12-29T05:16:12 < zyp> and the power plug on a lawn mower doesn't require thick pins in the plug for current capacity, that small kids can put their fingers into
2016-12-29T05:16:56 < zyp> even though my car only got a 16A charger, there's other cars pulling 63A through the same plug :)
2016-12-29T05:17:12 < dongs> zyp, bypass clock mode works on 401
2016-12-29T05:17:16 < dongs> getting sdio_clk at 48mhz
2016-12-29T05:17:24 < dongs> and reads succeeding
2016-12-29T05:17:26 < zyp> dongs, reliably?
2016-12-29T05:17:32 < stvn> i have to get off the drugs
2016-12-29T05:17:35 < zyp> does the errata sheet say anything about it?
2016-12-29T05:17:38 < dongs> well, define "reliably"? it connected to fatfs and i read 4k block
2016-12-29T05:17:41 < dongs> not on 401
2016-12-29T05:17:45 < zyp> oh, cool
2016-12-29T05:18:02 < zyp> I don't know how unreliable it is on f407, just that the errata sheet says it doesn't work
2016-12-29T05:18:23 < stvn> the drugs are all legal
2016-12-29T05:18:56 < zyp> LeelooMinai, judging by the current availability, I'm not sure there's enough competition yet :)
2016-12-29T05:19:08 < stvn> upgrdman, is that a japanese apartment
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2016-12-29T05:19:45 < upgrdman> stvn, dunno. just said "secret compartment"
2016-12-29T05:19:46 < stvn> i need more nuclear reactors
2016-12-29T05:19:54 < dongs> what the shit its only reading like 100bytes tho
2016-12-29T05:20:05 < dongs> err 100kilobytes
2016-12-29T05:20:15 < zyp> LeelooMinai, and on the other hand, I'm developing this for fun, I'll worry about the potential for getting it CE certified and sellable once I have it working
2016-12-29T05:21:15 < upgrdman> full retard  https://www.reddit.com/r/macsetups/comments/5kqvha/macbook_pro_2016_with_lg_5k_ultrafine_and_2_uhd/
2016-12-29T05:22:20 < stvn> full retard begins with apple
2016-12-29T05:22:34 < zyp> that desk is too tidy, doesn't look like anybody is doing anything useful there :p
2016-12-29T05:23:47 < stvn> i bet that guy goes online all days and just pumps his dick while posting on macrumors
2016-12-29T05:24:02 < dongs> isnt that waht most mac users do
2016-12-29T05:24:08 < stvn> true
2016-12-29T05:25:27 < zyp> I'm not even reading macrumors, I must be a bad mac user
2016-12-29T05:28:19 < dongs> hm fuck i have no idea wahts going on.
2016-12-29T05:28:26 < dongs> i guess ill try 1byte wide mode and see if that makes a diff
2016-12-29T05:28:49 < zyp> bit, you mean?
2016-12-29T05:29:04 < dongs> er yea bit
2016-12-29T05:29:27 < zyp> so what problem are you having now, bypass mode not working properly?
2016-12-29T05:29:32 < zyp> or still the SPI shit?
2016-12-29T05:29:47 < dongs> nah, fuck bypass, looks like it reads only few 100+ kb and then errors out
2016-12-29T05:29:50 < dongs> i dont need it that fast anyway
2016-12-29T05:29:52 < dongs> yeah SPI
2016-12-29T05:30:00 < kOStiX> why dont u enable dma for it?
2016-12-29T05:30:12 < kOStiX> that should work cleaner and much faster
2016-12-29T05:30:17 < dongs> for what
2016-12-29T05:30:31 < kOStiX> for the spi
2016-12-29T05:30:41 < dongs> well, if it doenst work bitbanging im sure its not gonna work any better with DMA
2016-12-29T05:30:45 < zyp> if it doesn't work without DMA, what makes you think it'll work better with
2016-12-29T05:31:01 < zyp> so that'd just be a waste of time
2016-12-29T05:31:11 < kOStiX> dunno man, i've had cases
2016-12-29T05:31:20 < dongs> i mean my driver supports it and i could enable it with a few quick changes but yeah, i dont think thats the problem
2016-12-29T05:31:42 < kOStiX> polling/manual modes would be unreliable, but interrupt or dma work fine
2016-12-29T05:31:53 < kOStiX> prolly cause of something missing in the polling mode
2016-12-29T05:32:01 < zyp> I guess start ripping out pieces of the SDIO code to see what exactly it is that makes SPI break
2016-12-29T05:32:04 < dongs> its 4 lines in polling
2016-12-29T05:32:08 < kOStiX> im speaking from the hal perspective aswell
2016-12-29T05:32:15 < dongs> zyp, if I just power on SDIO periphreal, is ok
2016-12-29T05:32:31 < dongs> if I go through fatfs init which reads a couple blocks/etc + read 4K block from file, spi wil fail after that
2016-12-29T05:32:31 < zyp> yeah, so bisect between that and what is not ok
2016-12-29T05:32:55 < zyp> open fatfs init and comment out last half of the function or something
2016-12-29T05:33:40 < zyp> this is f401?
2016-12-29T05:34:05 < zyp> hmm, which f401?
2016-12-29T05:34:06 < dongs> yeah 401re.
2016-12-29T05:34:09 < dongs> on the nucleo
2016-12-29T05:34:11 < zyp> ok
2016-12-29T05:34:30 < zyp> there's two errata sheets for f401, just wanted to make sure I'm looking at the right one
2016-12-29T05:34:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VCdXGvT.jpg this setup and i added a SPI flash.
2016-12-29T05:35:04 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/errata_sheet/60/4a/23/7d/0f/a2/44/2d/DM00158624.pdf/files/DM00158624.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00158624.pdf
2016-12-29T05:35:07 < zyp> nothing on the board connected to SPI or SDIO pins?
2016-12-29T05:35:07 < dongs> this is one linked off ST site
2016-12-29T05:35:20 < zyp> yeah, already found
2016-12-29T05:36:55 < zyp> heh, nothing about SPI at all, and nothing that looks relevant under SDIO part
2016-12-29T05:37:03 < dongs> right
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2016-12-29T05:38:03 < dongs> right as soon as I f_open SPI is already stoned
2016-12-29T05:38:12 < dongs> dont even need to read (but internally that reads a bit
2016-12-29T05:38:15 < dongs> k im gonna disable DMA in SDIO shit
2016-12-29T05:39:04 < dongs> meh of course doesnt work
2016-12-29T05:39:58 < zyp> good, that means it's not DMA related
2016-12-29T05:40:01 < dongs> no i mean
2016-12-29T05:40:04 < dongs> my polling mode is busted
2016-12-29T05:40:11 < dongs> ;d
2016-12-29T05:40:30 < zyp> SDIO polling? is that supposed to work?
2016-12-29T05:40:44 < dongs> should it not?
2016-12-29T05:40:45 < kOStiX> maybe some interrupt flag is set and your not clearing it?
2016-12-29T05:41:02 < dongs> maybe not at 24mhz heh
2016-12-29T05:41:20 < zyp> anyway, it doesn't matter whether SDIO polling works or not
2016-12-29T05:41:41 < zyp> does it still break SPI after throwing out SDIO DMA?
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2016-12-29T05:42:20 < dongs> well, since my sdio shit times out on f_open i gotta fix that first
2016-12-29T05:42:54 < zyp> just mock it, pretend that the DMA finished
2016-12-29T05:43:04 < zyp> or just return early from f_open
2016-12-29T05:43:44 < zyp> the rest of the code isn't interesting, the interesting part is whether it has broken SPI by the time you come to this code
2016-12-29T05:44:04 < dongs> ok fine ill reset IP to somethign else and try spi w
2016-12-29T05:44:25 < zyp> I mean, you could just do an SPI write within the fatfs code and move it around
2016-12-29T05:44:41 < zyp> see how early you have to go before it works
2016-12-29T05:44:42 < dongs> yes
2016-12-29T05:44:43 < dongs> fuck
2016-12-29T05:44:46 < dongs> spi is stoned already
2016-12-29T05:44:58 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-29T05:45:00 < zyp> good, that rules out DMA
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2016-12-29T05:45:31 < zyp> so anyway, I bet some of that shit is touching shit it shouldn't touch and fucking up
2016-12-29T05:45:34 < dongs> k 1 bit
2016-12-29T05:45:40 < dongs> trying first
2016-12-29T05:45:41 < zyp> like clock shit or whatever
2016-12-29T05:46:43 < dongs> noe, dead in1bit too
2016-12-29T05:47:01 < dongs> zyp, i only have one clock shit in sdio driver and its not it
2016-12-29T05:47:11 < dongs>     RCC_AHB1PeriphClockCmd(RCC_AHB1Periph_GPIOB | RCC_AHB1Periph_GPIOC | RCC_AHB1Periph_GPIOD | RCC_AHB1Periph_DMA2, ENABLE);
2016-12-29T05:47:14 < dongs>     RCC_APB2PeriphClockCmd(RCC_APB2Periph_SDIO, ENABLE);
2016-12-29T05:47:19 < zyp> so anyway, you believe it breaks in f_open?
2016-12-29T05:47:29 < dongs> no, it breaks after any transfer from sd
2016-12-29T05:47:43 < dongs> lemme just fake init and like read sector 0 or somethign
2016-12-29T05:47:46 < dongs> bypassing fatfas completely
2016-12-29T05:47:47 < zyp> yeah, and that first transfer happens in f_open?
2016-12-29T05:47:51 < dongs> right
2016-12-29T05:48:03 < dongs> i mean, fatfs will defer disk initialize until the end
2016-12-29T05:48:59 < zyp> so bisecting the call tree from f_open should point out exactly where it breks
2016-12-29T05:49:01 < zyp> breaks
2016-12-29T05:49:35 < dongs> ok  hey
2016-12-29T05:49:40 < dongs> JUST doig sdio reads is fine
2016-12-29T05:49:46 < zyp> I'd start by putting an spi write in the beginning of the f_open body, just to confirm that it still works at that point
2016-12-29T05:49:47 < dongs>     sdioDiskInitialize();
2016-12-29T05:49:48 < dongs>     sdioDiskRead(buffer, 0, 4);
2016-12-29T05:49:52 < dongs> after this spi still works
2016-12-29T05:50:00 < dongs> so fatfs is fuckin somethin up, hmm
2016-12-29T05:50:03 < zyp> if that works, move it to the middle
2016-12-29T05:50:25 < zyp> then keep moving it forth or back depending on whether it works or not
2016-12-29T05:50:35 < dongs> its not the transfer or DMA that fails it. so its gotta be some garbage by fatfs
2016-12-29T05:51:20 < zyp> unless that code is super massive and complex you shouldn't have to test many times before you've narrowed down to whatever is fcking up
2016-12-29T05:52:05 < zyp> oh, hey
2016-12-29T05:52:16 < zyp> stupid idea
2016-12-29T05:52:33 < zyp> you're using this HAL or whatever using initstructs?
2016-12-29T05:52:44 < dongs> yeah, i DO xxStructInit() all teh time
2016-12-29T05:52:59 < dongs> learned that a while ago :p
2016-12-29T05:53:01 < zyp> did you forget to initialize the SPI struct so it breaks or not depending on what garbage fatfs left on stack?
2016-12-29T05:53:53 < zyp> because now that I think of it, that's a reasonable explanation why code that doesn't have anything to do with SPI breaks SPI
2016-12-29T05:53:58 < dongs> i think i've got a winner hold on
2016-12-29T05:54:05 < dongs> enabling stuff
2016-12-29T05:55:06 < dongs> yep
2016-12-29T05:55:15 < dongs> ok, shit works. fucking LFN support in fatfs was trashing stack
2016-12-29T05:55:34 < dongs> could be their bug too, my stack is liek 4kbytes
2016-12-29T05:55:57 < zyp> haha
2016-12-29T05:56:46 < zyp> like, overflowing the stack, or shitting on stuff that's already on the stack when you call it?
2016-12-29T05:57:08 < dongs> not sure actually because nothign "crashed"
2016-12-29T05:57:24 < dongs> but turnedoff LFN, shit works
2016-12-29T05:58:03 < dongs> copied from SDIO to spi flash at 80k/sec
2016-12-29T05:58:14 < zyp> I should have thought about stuff like this earlier
2016-12-29T05:58:53 < zyp> I mean, when it's independent peripherals, it doesn't make sense that they interfere
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2016-12-29T06:07:03 < upgrdman> any non-gamer-faggot gpu monitors for windows?
2016-12-29T06:09:03 < dongs> gpu-z works fine
2016-12-29T06:09:07 < dongs> doesnt look gaymer to me
2016-12-29T06:09:26 < dongs> its like cpu-z but for gpu.
2016-12-29T06:09:55 < upgrdman> hmmm looks decent
2016-12-29T06:14:25 < kOStiX> theres also this : OpenHardwareMonitor
2016-12-29T06:18:48 < upgrdman> have OHM. it's decent but i'd like graphs
2016-12-29T06:20:29 < dongs> open already sounds like AIDS
2016-12-29T06:20:44 < dongs> is GUI GTK or something
2016-12-29T06:21:11 < dongs> god damn that looks awful
2016-12-29T06:21:21 < dongs> http://openhardwaremonitor.org/screenshots/
2016-12-29T06:21:27 < dongs> especially on debian, haha
2016-12-29T06:21:29 < dongs> terrible fonts
2016-12-29T06:21:56 < dongs> wait wat its written in .nut?
2016-12-29T06:25:14 < zyp> says mono so
2016-12-29T06:25:40 < upgrdman> ya its .net
2016-12-29T06:26:23 < upgrdman> actually kinda neat, but i wish theyre make the gui so it isnt just one long list of sensors. either make it multi-column-able, or tiles or someshit.
2016-12-29T06:27:17 < upgrdman> if gpu-jizz is show gpu load = 99% but tdp = 37%, wtf? memory cunt load, video engine load and bus fuckface load at all < 7% each too.
2016-12-29T06:28:09 < zyp> hmm, I don't like that I'm using 42/49 GPIOs so far
2016-12-29T06:28:42 < kOStiX> zyp: you can easily expand with shift regs
2016-12-29T06:28:51 < zyp> haha, fuck off
2016-12-29T06:29:07 < dongs> lol shift regs
2016-12-29T06:29:10 < zyp> way easier to swap the 64-pin package with 100-pin
2016-12-29T06:29:23 < kOStiX> yeah
2016-12-29T06:29:34 < dongs> using 401?
2016-12-29T06:29:43 < zyp> although I'm a bit tempted to use IO-expanders on top/bottom boards so I don't have to run as many signals across to them
2016-12-29T06:29:44 < dongs> ^ zyp
2016-12-29T06:29:47 < zyp> 407
2016-12-29T06:29:51 < zyp> or 405
2016-12-29T06:29:56 < dongs> 407 exists in 64? oh
2016-12-29T06:29:58 < dongs> 405 rigth k
2016-12-29T06:30:10 < zyp> same shit
2016-12-29T06:30:10 < dongs> HOPE YOU DONT HAEV A SDCARD ON THERE
2016-12-29T06:30:17 < zyp> haha, I don't
2016-12-29T06:30:48 < kOStiX> those 595 alc 165 shift regs work quite fine with spi
2016-12-29T06:30:52 < zyp> hmm, I forgot what the price difference between 405 and 407 was, I know I asked you
2016-12-29T06:30:53 < kOStiX> alc=and
2016-12-29T06:31:01 < kOStiX> and they are super cheap
2016-12-29T06:31:07 < zyp> but I assume it's negligibel
2016-12-29T06:31:17 < dongs> yeah wasnt much
2016-12-29T06:31:46 < zyp> more concerned about board area, but I think I've got plenty of that too, at least if I put parts on bottom too
2016-12-29T06:34:38 < zyp> dongs, got a voltage translator you need? this edison module (and any other interesting looking SoMs I've looked at for that matter) does 1.8V signalling
2016-12-29T06:34:43 < zyp> s/need/like/
2016-12-29T06:34:54 < dongs> ive been just using txb0104 0108 tytpe shit
2016-12-29T06:35:07 < dongs> they're availble in both dumbdfn and tssop
2016-12-29T06:35:35 < zyp> I think maybe that's what's on this sparkfun breakout shit
2016-12-29T06:35:45 < dongs> sparkfuck reselles them so most likely
2016-12-29T06:35:54 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11771
2016-12-29T06:35:58 < dongs> in giant ssop
2016-12-29T06:36:30 < zyp> ah, yeah, txb0108 in dfn
2016-12-29T06:36:48 < zyp> okay
2016-12-29T06:36:58 < dongs> yeah 4bit is availble in huge/tssop/dfn and maybe only dfn for 8bit
2016-12-29T06:37:00 < dongs> how many do you need?
2016-12-29T06:37:28 < zyp> 4 is probably enough, I mainly need uart
2016-12-29T06:37:35 < dongs> ah then just use tssop 0104
2016-12-29T06:38:01 < zyp> is that better than dfn?
2016-12-29T06:39:56 < zyp> but anyway, those look good, bidir is what I wanted anyway
2016-12-29T06:42:23 < zyp> ok, I'll look at that later, I haven't thought much about what other pins I need yet, apart from the fact that a couple of gpios to signal one way or another would probably be good
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2016-12-29T06:45:50 < dongs> hm all working OK sometimes SPI gets stuck waiting for RXNE but im sure thats unrelated to anything
2016-12-29T06:46:07 < dongs> probly just noise trash on the wirees
2016-12-29T06:48:10 < zyp> by the way, I thought I should give that cubemx pin planning shit a try, but it kept pestering me about java versions and shit
2016-12-29T06:48:19 < dongs> eh
2016-12-29T06:48:25 < dongs> well thats waht you get for running mactrash
2016-12-29T06:48:29 < dongs> shit works perfectly in win7 VM
2016-12-29T06:48:50 < zyp> hmm, maybe that's what I should have done
2016-12-29T06:49:26 < zyp> tried it on workstation and laptop and when it didn't like either and I weren't in the mood to fuck around with java, I got fed up and deleted it
2016-12-29T06:51:25 < zyp> LeelooMinai, clock stuff is dead simple, RCC chapter in RM got a graph of the entire clock tree with all divisors
2016-12-29T06:51:44 < zyp> for pin stuff I use the AF table in the datasheet
2016-12-29T06:52:20 < zyp> for more complex stuff I print the relevant pages and highlight the functions I need then look at the pattern
2016-12-29T06:52:55 < zyp> but for simple stuff I just place special stuff first and the rest depending on how it fit routing
2016-12-29T06:55:25 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you're overcomplicating it
2016-12-29T06:55:58 < zyp> you've got pretty much all divisors at 1 so you've got 48MHz everywhere anyway :p
2016-12-29T06:56:11 < zyp> this is L4 judging by the layout
2016-12-29T06:56:46 < zyp> F4 looks the same, except sysclk will be 168, HCLK likewise, the APBs will be 84 and 42
2016-12-29T06:57:06 < zyp> assuming you've got no reason to run it slower than max, and I've never had so far
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2016-12-29T06:57:46 < zyp> that's also simple
2016-12-29T06:58:30 < zyp> assuming crystal is an integer MHz, you set PLLM so it's 1MHz out, then N = 336 and R = 2
2016-12-29T06:59:13 < zyp> not on F4
2016-12-29T07:00:17 < dongs> i just use that excel
2016-12-29T07:00:31 < zyp> there is a visual graph in the RM.
2016-12-29T07:01:30 < zyp> looks pretty identical to me
2016-12-29T07:03:37 < zyp> sure it is
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2016-12-29T07:06:23 < zyp> until I've got a reason to not run at full speed, I don't really see the need to try other scenarios
2016-12-29T07:06:35 < zyp> but anyway, it's pin mapping I'm concerned about now
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2016-12-29T07:09:32 < zyp> in this case I need at least both usb ports, a uart, an spi port, an i2c port, a can port, probably three timers with various number of channels
2016-12-29T07:10:28 < zyp> sure, but my patience for fucking around with shit like java is limited
2016-12-29T07:11:04 < zyp> oh, I need some analog pins as well
2016-12-29T07:11:21 < zyp> the problem is it didn't want to fucking run
2016-12-29T07:11:34 < zyp> just like most other java bullshit
2016-12-29T07:13:02 < dongs> my solution to "java bullshit" is a win7VM which has java installed
2016-12-29T07:13:05 < zyp> yeah right, I bet if I fired it up in the win7 VM I'm running altium in, it'd still complain about missing java
2016-12-29T07:13:05 < dongs> i dont need it anywhere else
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2016-12-29T07:13:53 < zyp> and oh
2016-12-29T07:14:11 < zyp> I've seen that fucking «update java» popup on windows
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2016-12-29T07:14:28 < zyp> so don't tell me java on windows is any less annoying :p
2016-12-29T07:14:37 < dongs> ah hahah
2016-12-29T07:15:25 < dongs> zyp, should I have gpio drive faster or slower to make less noise over jumper wires?
2016-12-29T07:15:30 < zyp> slower
2016-12-29T07:15:32 < dongs> seems less ringing at lower mhz
2016-12-29T07:15:44 < zyp> slower = less strength = less ringing
2016-12-29T07:16:09 < dongs> cant wait till the actual board gets here then i dont have to fuck with wires
2016-12-29T07:16:49 < zyp> you should try 84MHz MCO through jumper wires :)
2016-12-29T07:17:30 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/v0OjW.JPG
2016-12-29T07:17:48 < dongs> looks good
2016-12-29T07:18:00 < zyp> it was so noisy it was interfering with the configuration process
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2016-12-29T07:21:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/369mdBl.jpg my setup is not much better
2016-12-29T07:21:21 < zyp> hehe
2016-12-29T07:21:37 < zyp> over to something else; ever put any speakers/buzzers on any boards?
2016-12-29T07:21:52 < dongs> yes
2016-12-29T07:21:57 < dongs> ive been using that PAM8301 or wahtever shit
2016-12-29T07:21:59 < dongs> on a bunch of stuff
2016-12-29T07:22:00 < dongs> sounds gr8
2016-12-29T07:22:27 < dongs> driven it from both dac and pwm
2016-12-29T07:22:56 < zyp> was thinking more about what speaker to use, not amplifier
2016-12-29T07:23:00 < dongs> o
2016-12-29T07:23:20 < dongs> http://cf.ydcdn.net/1.0.1.64/images/computer/_BONCON.JPG
2016-12-29T07:23:23 < dongs> definitely these chinese things
2016-12-29T07:23:26 < dongs> bolt them to enclosure
2016-12-29T07:23:30 < dongs> and it becomes the speaker
2016-12-29T07:23:48 < zyp> I'm not gonna play sounds just beeps with different freqs
2016-12-29T07:23:52 < dongs> psh
2016-12-29T07:23:57 < dongs> no speech? fuck off
2016-12-29T07:24:01 < zyp> haha
2016-12-29T07:24:11 < dongs> your car is CHARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGING
2016-12-29T07:24:42 < zyp> LeelooMinai, which is why I said speakers/buzzers
2016-12-29T07:26:21 < zyp> I'm not asking for a good speaker, I'm asking for some small cheap shit that I can hook up to a timer to make beep at various freqs
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2016-12-29T07:28:37 < dongs> zyp, im using some chinaspecial side ported piezo thing
2016-12-29T07:29:49 < dongs> http://img2.everychina.com/img/61/c7/67af098844058d47c0157484f517-250x250c1-cebb/5v_piezo_buzzer_d12_x_h6_0mm_sound_from_side_magnetic_simple_electronic_buzzer.jpg
2016-12-29T07:29:49 < zyp> hmm, I see digikey got some stuff for $.3, so this can't be so hard :p
2016-12-29T07:29:52 < dongs> this sorta shit
2016-12-29T07:30:37 < zyp> LeelooMinai, http://www.digikey.com/products/en/audio-products/alarms-buzzers-and-sirens/157
2016-12-29T07:30:49 < dongs> search for "trumpets" on aliexpress.
2016-12-29T07:30:54 < zyp> haha
2016-12-29T07:31:03 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/promotion/promotion_trumpet-buzzer-promotion.html
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2016-12-29T07:33:19 < dongs> oops i forgot to reenable 4bit mode
2016-12-29T07:34:22 < zyp> dongs, how picky is that piezo shit on frequency?
2016-12-29T07:35:19 < dongs> no idea, led bar guy used it for stuff but i think hes sleeping now
2016-12-29T07:36:01 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Exploring-the-FAT-File-System/
2016-12-29T07:36:24 < dongs> that means you're a fucking idiot
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2016-12-29T07:40:54 < zyp> http://www.murata.com/~/media/webrenewal/products/sound/sounder/vppt-buzj083-d.ashx this shit looks cute
2016-12-29T07:41:11 < zyp> $1 @100 at digikey
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2016-12-29T07:42:25 < dongs> http://developer.toradex.com/carrier-board-design/reference-designs nice
2016-12-29T07:42:26 < zyp> wonder how SPL will vary with voltage
2016-12-29T07:42:51 < dongs> lots of nice 3d components to steal from
2016-12-29T07:44:05 < zyp> also, how much current does a piezo consume?
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2016-12-29T07:44:42 < dongs> drive it through a fet, shouldn't be a problem rite
2016-12-29T07:44:45 < dongs> never measured
2016-12-29T07:45:33 < zyp> hmm
2016-12-29T07:46:01 < zyp> dongs, how was it, korea got wave but not selective wave, right?
2016-12-29T07:46:22 < zyp> so mixing pth and double sided smt assembly would be bad
2016-12-29T07:46:53 < dongs> huh yeah probably. how much PTH are you talkin here?
2016-12-29T07:47:04 < zyp> mainly the screw terminals
2016-12-29T07:47:15 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/JQkvD.png
2016-12-29T07:47:41 < dongs> wtf  you removed everythign again
2016-12-29T07:47:44 < dongs> or is that the top board
2016-12-29T07:47:47 < zyp> middle
2016-12-29T07:48:02 < dongs> youre thinking to doubleside smt that? sounds kinda dum
2016-12-29T07:48:07 < dongs> i see tons of space :p
2016-12-29T07:48:58 < zyp> of course, I haven't really started on that board yet :p
2016-12-29T07:49:33 < zyp> mostly focused on bottom, started on middle so I could figure out mounting holes and FFC pinout
2016-12-29T07:50:09 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/PaTsC.png <- bottom looks like this now, just need to route everything over to the ffc connector
2016-12-29T07:51:38 < zyp> oh by the way, I received samples of that AC/DC brick today
2016-12-29T07:52:16 < zyp> looks much smaller in reality than the altium render gives impression of :p
2016-12-29T07:52:44 < zyp> but then again, most shit I do in altium ends up smaller than it looks when I design it
2016-12-29T07:53:14 < zyp> like that nfc thing
2016-12-29T07:53:47 < zyp> «this is a fairly big antenna, about half the board»
2016-12-29T07:55:01 < dongs> hm fucking SPI still stalls randomly waiting for rxne
2016-12-29T07:55:03 < dongs> why the hell
2016-12-29T07:55:31 < dongs> time to add that shit into DMA
2016-12-29T07:55:48 < dongs> <kOStiX> it will solve all teh problems
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2016-12-29T08:04:23 < ohsix> Kliment: know of a place to get just the hot end block for the lulzbot? i'm thinking ~anything can go in there, the original single printhead got trashed, but i'm going to rebuild it with .35mm or something nozzle, so i can use it for finer prints
2016-12-29T08:06:28 < ohsix> dave waffled for 25 minutes at the end of the live batteriser thing, and 18 minutes before
2016-12-29T08:08:09 < kOStiX> haha, good thing bout dma is that it takes care of that stuff
2016-12-29T08:10:22 < dongs> solve me a problem of SPI getting random byte at beginning or end of DMA transfer then
2016-12-29T08:10:28 < dongs> (not this proj, unrelated shit)
2016-12-29T08:10:32 < dongs> F103
2016-12-29T08:10:56 < kOStiX> hm
2016-12-29T08:11:48 < kOStiX> maybe its some clock mode stuff?
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2016-12-29T08:12:10 < kOStiX> like its not latching on needed transition or something
2016-12-29T08:12:56 < dongs> nah it works in polling/direct mode.
2016-12-29T08:13:05 < dongs> cpha/cpol shit is correct.
2016-12-29T08:13:36 < kOStiX> or like data is missaligned?
2016-12-29T08:13:43 < kOStiX> or something
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2016-12-29T08:18:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm having a little bit of trouble understanding the regular sequence of the ADC (well, for my use case). At the moment, I suppose I want to poll a bunch of channels. Do I set the sequence, then start the regular conversion (e.g. SWSTART of ADC_CR2). Then I have to wait on the EOC bit in ADC_SR? Then it'll start the next one?
2016-12-29T08:18:40 < dongs> donno i only used sequence with DMA
2016-12-29T08:18:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> What's the advantage of doing that over just reading one channel at a time, copying of code out for each channel?
2016-12-29T08:18:47 < dongs> then  you just set DMA to buffer size and done
2016-12-29T08:19:02 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: i think the only reaal use for sequene is if you dma it all at once, so it does channel cahnges automatically
2016-12-29T08:19:09 < dongs> if youre just reading shit one by one, yes just select channel and re-read
2016-12-29T08:19:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> DMA.... That's probably a good idea. 
2016-12-29T08:19:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> OTOH, I might save the DMA for reading in i2c stuffs
2016-12-29T08:19:59 < dongs> unless your i2c transfers are several hundreds bytes at a time, i  doubt thats goign to improve anything
2016-12-29T08:20:09 < dongs> time to setup DMA for 2 -3 bytes is not wroth it
2016-12-29T08:20:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah. True. It's probably <10 bytes
2016-12-29T08:20:44 < dongs> definitely not worth it
2016-12-29T08:21:50 < ohsix> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-brain-dump Richard Stallman, too. He is our hero. Stallman does not visit our Brain Dump hackerspace, because he refuses to use Google Maps on principle. But Richard Stallman sends much helpful email clarifying important ideological differences between the "GNU" and the "Linux".
2016-12-29T08:23:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> But dongs, how will my joystick have a 100hz update rate :P
2016-12-29T08:23:29 < dongs> ADC, on the other hand, is easy to set up and forget
2016-12-29T08:23:37 < dongs> and you can just read adc conversion values out of a buffer whenever you need htem
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2016-12-29T08:40:13 < dongs> "Not only STM32F2xx or STM32F4xx series but STM32F1xx series have been providing SPI DMA mode for bust data transmission. But there were some reports in which byte shift happens."
2016-12-29T08:41:53 <@englishman> shift happens, bro
2016-12-29T08:45:45 < kOStiX> that kind of effects might happen also when the interrupt priorities are not properly setup, given interrupts are used
2016-12-29T08:46:05 < kOStiX> like if something else is interrupting the spi or something
2016-12-29T08:47:56 < dongs> nothing else going on except sysdick
2016-12-29T08:48:03 < dongs> and that one just increments a counter
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2016-12-29T08:51:36 < ohsix> the hydraulic press channel made a toilet paper skateboard for braille
2016-12-29T08:51:37 < kOStiX> you try with HSI/HSE?
2016-12-29T08:51:57 < ohsix> are those new pronouns kOStiX?
2016-12-29T08:52:28 < kOStiX> like i had that stuff with usb transfers failing randomly when the stm was running on hse, but ran fine on hsi
2016-12-29T08:52:36 < dongs> im not p0utting crystal on boards where i dont need it
2016-12-29T08:52:42 < dongs> tho that one runs off 12mhz cuz of usb
2016-12-29T08:52:54 < ohsix> suup englishman, wat happened
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2016-12-29T08:54:34 < ohsix> http://www.banggood.com/MJX-X909T-X-SERIEX-Mini-5_8G-FPV-With-HD-Camera-3D-Flips-RC-Quadcopter-RTF-p-1042922.html lul bumbled bee
2016-12-29T08:56:24 < stvn> leelohsix
2016-12-29T08:57:53 < ohsix> i identify as ohsix
2016-12-29T08:58:11 < ohsix> to nickserv
2016-12-29T09:00:45 < ohsix> heh the little dvr in the controller is p. good, camera too :<
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2016-12-29T09:33:27 < zyp> dongs, how aboug H-bridges? got a favorite of those?
2016-12-29T09:33:55 < dongs> nope, havent looked into
2016-12-29T09:34:08 < zyp> okay
2016-12-29T09:34:13 < dongs> i thikn i used some of that ST powerSpin trash
2016-12-29T09:34:18 < dongs> but im sure theres better shit out there
2016-12-29T09:34:49 < zyp> I don't need anything advanced, just want the possibility to run the locking motor thing
2016-12-29T09:35:02 < zyp> which will take 12V in one direction to lock and other direction to unlock
2016-12-29T09:42:18 < zyp> hmm
2016-12-29T09:42:30 < zyp> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/ENA0421-D.PDF <- this shit is the cheapest reasonable shit on digikey, but it's like $1
2016-12-29T09:47:07 <@englishman> https://github.com/xesscorp/skidl
2016-12-29T09:47:34 < dongs> zyp, its in china tho
2016-12-29T09:47:39 < dongs> should be  < $.50 or someshit i guess
2016-12-29T09:47:47 < dongs> look sok
2016-12-29T09:48:26 < dongs> man what the fuck
2016-12-29T09:48:30 < dongs> attached logic analyzer to my SPI lines
2016-12-29T09:48:33 < dongs> and now there are no errors
2016-12-29T09:48:35 < dongs> ?!?!?!
2016-12-29T09:48:39 < dongs> its gotta be the fucking wires
2016-12-29T09:48:43 < dongs> doing somethin
2016-12-29T09:48:48 < zyp> haha, reflections fucking up
2016-12-29T09:49:47 < zyp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262136733719 on ebay you get a board with two h-bridge chips for $1 :p
2016-12-29T09:49:52 < zyp> shipped.
2016-12-29T09:50:09 < dongs> with those d rivers?
2016-12-29T09:50:13 < dongs> then use those driver chips then
2016-12-29T09:50:14 < zyp> l9110
2016-12-29T09:50:17 < dongs> i guess they're all standard right?
2016-12-29T09:50:22 < dongs> pinout, like fets or hwatever
2016-12-29T09:50:23 < zyp> yeah, that's why I were looking
2016-12-29T09:50:29 < zyp> nah, doesn't seem super standard
2016-12-29T09:50:41 < zyp> https://www.elecrow.com/download/datasheet-l9110.pdf <- obviously china though
2016-12-29T09:51:38 < zyp> though, that seems a bit dumb
2016-12-29T09:51:57 < zyp> logic shit prevents you from setting both high
2016-12-29T09:52:05 < dongs> isnt that.. good?
2016-12-29T09:52:09 < dongs> or else   you'd be shorting the ends?
2016-12-29T09:52:36 < zyp> no
2016-12-29T09:52:52 < zyp> this is a full bridge, not gate driver
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2016-12-29T09:53:19 < dongs> that chinaprice tho
2016-12-29T09:55:52 < dongs> oh wel l, i guess i beter not waste time dicking around with this mess of wires and just wait for the board to show up in a couple days
2016-12-29T09:56:06 < dongs> wonder why hooking up LA makes it work tho
2016-12-29T09:56:27 < zyp> different length/impedance = different reflection behavior
2016-12-29T09:56:28 < dongs> hm i dont have bypass cap on the SPIchip
2016-12-29T09:56:29 < dongs> maybe thats why
2016-12-29T10:01:08 < dongs> zyp, cube has nucleo board template
2016-12-29T10:01:26 < dongs> only PA2/3, PA5, PC13 are used by stuff
2016-12-29T10:01:33 < dongs> uart , led , and pushbutton
2016-12-29T10:01:36 < dongs> the rest of the shti is free.
2016-12-29T10:01:43 < zyp> yeah?
2016-12-29T10:01:52 < dongs> handy to quickly see which peripherals on -disco/nulcoe shit are inuse
2016-12-29T10:02:00 < dongs> you might wanna get it running someday :p
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2016-12-29T10:19:19 < kOStiX> dongs, and did you try lower the frequency of the spi? that might work meanwhile
2016-12-29T10:19:56 < zyp> where's the fun in that? :p
2016-12-29T10:20:15 < kOStiX> that it works on a given board
2016-12-29T10:20:24 < kOStiX> you can also try some series resistors, 20 ohms or something
2016-12-29T10:20:31 < dongs> its not a board, its a mess of wires
2016-12-29T10:20:33 < dongs> i dont have any dip resistors
2016-12-29T10:20:37 < kOStiX> and the lines close to the discovery
2016-12-29T10:20:48 < dongs> its ok, the real hwardware will be here in a couple days
2016-12-29T10:20:54 < dongs> ill just bring up other junk 
2016-12-29T10:20:57 < kOStiX> sure
2016-12-29T10:20:59 < dongs> got other stuff to setup anyway
2016-12-29T10:21:14 < zyp> what, you have other projects? :p
2016-12-29T10:21:18 < kOStiX> those terminating resistors does work as low pass filters to remove some skews from tranmission lines
2016-12-29T10:21:24 < dongs> no, i mean, other peripherals for that stuff
2016-12-29T10:21:28 < dongs> but yeah, i have tons of other shit as well
2016-12-29T10:21:41 < zyp> haha, I'm just kidding
2016-12-29T10:21:47 < zyp> there's always enough shit to do
2016-12-29T10:22:09 < kOStiX> more like not enough time for all hehe
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2016-12-29T10:44:32 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38453986 lol japs
2016-12-29T10:45:18 < ohsix> http://www.banggood.com/3-in-1-Out-E3D-V6-0_4mm-Nozzle-Multi-Color-Extruder-Hotend-For-Kossel-Reprap-3D-Printer-p-1106589.html i bet this is fun to clean
2016-12-29T10:46:23 < upgrdman_> heh, neat. waveshare makes a 4.3" eink display, and it even has stm32:  https://www.amazon.com/Waveshare-4-3inch-e-Paper-Resolution-Electronic/dp/B00VV5IMN0
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2016-12-29T10:46:43 < ohsix> dongs is a reseller for those guys
2016-12-29T10:47:03 < ohsix> that looks nice
2016-12-29T10:47:28 < ohsix> for any fun you probably can't get the firmware code & would have to write your own
2016-12-29T10:47:36 < ohsix> eink might even object to you seeing the driver code lul
2016-12-29T10:47:46 < dongs> Embedded font libraries, supports 32, 48 and 64 dot matrix GBK Chinese fonts and English fonts
2016-12-29T10:47:49 < dongs> that fuckig chink font rom
2016-12-29T10:47:52 < dongs> sucks so much dick
2016-12-29T10:47:55 < dongs> youre better off just making your own :p
2016-12-29T10:47:57 < dongs> like i did
2016-12-29T10:48:05 < upgrdman> ya i dont need their fonts
2016-12-29T10:48:10 < kOStiX> nice display
2016-12-29T10:48:17 < ohsix> ru a haxor upgrdman 
2016-12-29T10:48:26 < upgrdman> im just surprised to see a 4" eink marketed at hobbyists
2016-12-29T10:48:38 < upgrdman> like biggest on dickkey is 2" eink iirc
2016-12-29T10:48:55 < ohsix> pebble is ~slow and i think one of them has eink
2016-12-29T10:49:02 < dongs> thats wavesahre for you <3
2016-12-29T10:49:19 < ohsix> there's a devkit too, dunno if they have the driver in it, but it is slow. you could use it to figure out how to drive them
2016-12-29T10:49:34 < upgrdman> hmm says it takes 1.5 second to draw screen
2016-12-29T10:49:35 < ohsix> then you can get kindles with dead batteries and have huge ones
2016-12-29T10:49:41 < dongs> yes
2016-12-29T10:49:44 < dongs> have you never used eink?
2016-12-29T10:49:45 < dongs> its slow as shit
2016-12-29T10:49:57 < upgrdman> wonder if hacking the stm32 would make it faster, or if the panel itself is the limited factory
2016-12-29T10:50:10 < upgrdman> dongs, but kindles refresh in like 100ms or someshit ?
2016-12-29T10:50:17 < dongs> both, its probvablyt SPI panel and the fact that eink sucks
2016-12-29T10:50:19 < ohsix> ah nevermind, they have a sharp transflective/sleepy lcd in it,  not e-ink
2016-12-29T10:50:36 < ohsix> you write to eink like you might flash or eeprom
2016-12-29T10:50:56 < upgrdman> ohsix, what kinda interface to the kindle panels tho?
2016-12-29T10:51:02 < ohsix> no idea
2016-12-29T10:51:05 < ohsix> probably spi
2016-12-29T10:51:13 < ohsix> i could find source for one of the drivers somewhere if you wanted
2016-12-29T10:52:14 < upgrdman> would be interested
2016-12-29T10:53:15 < dongs> wtf upgrdman that thing is sold as a standalone display that you talk to by some custom protocol
2016-12-29T10:53:19 < dongs> instead of directly talking to the panel
2016-12-29T10:53:44 < upgrdman> dongs, autisming with ohsix about nig rig'ing some kindle panels
2016-12-29T10:53:56 < dongs> dont bother
2016-12-29T10:54:05 < dongs> needs lots of setup, jpa- ? or someone did them, too much work
2016-12-29T10:54:31 < dongs> http://essentialscrap.com/eink/
2016-12-29T10:59:11 < ohsix> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/video/fbdev/broadsheetfb.c#L780
2016-12-29T10:59:21 < ohsix> upgrdman: ^
2016-12-29T10:59:57 < upgrdman> neat
2016-12-29T11:00:22 < ohsix> oh word look at link dongs posted
2016-12-29T11:00:33 < ohsix> i thought people still hadn't figured it out
2016-12-29T11:04:18 < ohsix> guess the real problem is getting them
2016-12-29T11:05:39 < dongs> anbyawy if you want something that works
2016-12-29T11:05:40 < dongs> withotu dicking
2016-12-29T11:05:42 < dongs> http://www.good-display.com/products_list/&pmcId=29.html
2016-12-29T11:05:45 < dongs> these guts are ok
2016-12-29T11:05:47 < dongs> guys
2016-12-29T11:05:57 < dongs> they're selling screens + adapter shits that  connect oth eir stm32 boards
2016-12-29T11:06:08 < dongs> even got some 3 color stuff for like price tags
2016-12-29T11:06:11 < dongs> red/black/white
2016-12-29T11:07:01 < kOStiX> nice
2016-12-29T11:07:06 < kOStiX> how much these things go for?
2016-12-29T11:07:20 < dongs> fairly reasonable, i think tehy had a scamexpress or osmethin shoppe somewehre
2016-12-29T11:07:25 < dongs> pal ordered a feww + devboard
2016-12-29T11:07:41 < dongs> the red color is like
2016-12-29T11:07:47 < dongs> you  really gotta rub it in for it to  display
2016-12-29T11:07:53 < dongs> gotta refresh that area several times
2016-12-29T11:08:07 < dongs> but thats just usual  eink faggotry
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2016-12-29T11:09:15 < dongs> Features： no backlight,high contrast,extremely wide viewing angle and extremely operating temperature.
2016-12-29T11:09:20 < ohsix> i wonder if bad yields are the reason they aren't on everything, or very lage
2016-12-29T11:09:43 < upgrdman> anyone know if this is legit or just more dickstarter trash?  https://getremarkable.com/
2016-12-29T11:09:55 < dongs> 'pre-order'
2016-12-29T11:09:56 < dongs> page closed
2016-12-29T11:10:05 < dongs> more like pre-scammed
2016-12-29T11:10:33 < stvn> they keep lining up
2016-12-29T11:10:39 < dongs> SECURE CLOUD
2016-12-29T11:10:59 < dongs> dragon innovation is like
2016-12-29T11:11:08 < dongs> a big dickstarter vetting place
2016-12-29T11:11:16 < dongs> makes sure your shit is "legit"
2016-12-29T11:11:46 < dongs> When will reMarkable ship its products?
2016-12-29T11:11:46 < dongs> The estimated shipping time is August 2017, though this estimate may change if there are unforeseen circumstances in the development process. We will always keep our customers well-informed of any changes.
2016-12-29T11:11:52 < dongs> ya no
2016-12-29T11:12:50 < dongs> literally all one has toe do these days is 1) start dickstarter for tech shit 2) invest the money 3) keep posting renderings of shit for a year  4) declare failure in a year, refund everyone, keep the interest
2016-12-29T11:13:16 < dongs> most poeple dont evne bother wiht 4) they just keep everything
2016-12-29T11:13:23 < stvn> :)
2016-12-29T11:13:29 < ohsix> it uh
2016-12-29T11:13:31 < ohsix> heh
2016-12-29T11:13:38 < ohsix> isn't hard to mimic paper
2016-12-29T11:13:46 < stvn> the kickshitter
2016-12-29T11:15:03 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01BTN321K/
2016-12-29T11:15:32 < dongs> fished that out of englishman browsing histoey?>
2016-12-29T11:15:53 < dongs> how does it delay sex
2016-12-29T11:15:57 < dongs> do you like, look at it and your dick shrivels
2016-12-29T11:16:01 < dongs> cuz it looks fucking gross?
2016-12-29T11:17:11 < upgrdman> lol prolly
2016-12-29T11:17:28 < ohsix> that's pretty nuts
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2016-12-29T11:36:18 < upgrdman> lol, android on eink tablets   https://www.amazon.com/Onyx-13-3-Android-Flexible-Handwriting/dp/B01EVACVHY/
2016-12-29T11:38:22 < upgrdman> kinda tempted to buy the sony DPT-S1
2016-12-29T11:38:28 < upgrdman> but damn, that price.
2016-12-29T11:38:28 < dongs> dont
2016-12-29T11:38:33 < dongs> looked into it
2016-12-29T11:38:34 < dongs> sux
2016-12-29T11:38:34 < upgrdman> y?
2016-12-29T11:38:38 < dongs> why the fuck do you need it man
2016-12-29T11:38:43 < dongs> buy some wavesahre devboards
2016-12-29T11:38:49 < dongs> you'll get bored of that shit in a week
2016-12-29T11:38:54 < upgrdman> i want big eink for reading stm reference manuals :)
2016-12-29T11:38:59 < dongs> nope
2016-12-29T11:39:00 < dongs> you dont
2016-12-29T11:39:03 < dongs> search in those  things suck
2016-12-29T11:39:07 < dongs> UI is awfully slow
2016-12-29T11:39:09 < dongs> scrolling, too
2016-12-29T11:39:12 < upgrdman> i just want to reads
2016-12-29T11:39:23 < dongs> i dont think its suitable
2016-12-29T11:39:28 < upgrdman> sometimes at work i print shit out, just so i can sit on the couch and read it not-on-an-lcd
2016-12-29T11:39:30 < dongs> literally printing the shit out
2016-12-29T11:39:33 < dongs> is better
2016-12-29T11:39:34 < dongs> yes
2016-12-29T11:39:39 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-29T11:40:25 < ohsix> get a printer with a refillable cartridge
2016-12-29T11:40:39 < ohsix> paper is a buck or two a pound
2016-12-29T11:40:47 < ohsix> also it is FASTER :D
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2016-12-29T12:25:11 < dongs> cool, mkfs on spi flash worked
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2016-12-29T12:47:29 < dongs> hmm odd. fatfs MKFS creates filesystem starting with like sector 0x40 but reads for new filesystem from 0..
2016-12-29T12:47:33 < dongs> wtf
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2016-12-29T12:55:42 < stvn> link dumping
2016-12-29T12:58:24 < stvn> don't rock the apple cart
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2016-12-29T13:24:29 < stvn> thankyou
2016-12-29T13:26:30 < stvn> we are the robots
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2016-12-29T15:04:06 < dongs> zyp, get ready to jizz
2016-12-29T15:04:06 < dongs> https://github.com/SFTtech/nyan
2016-12-29T15:04:11 < dongs> written in C++14
2016-12-29T15:04:51 < Steffanx> Written by dongs&co: "Autocancer"...
2016-12-29T15:05:07 < dongs> haha
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2016-12-29T15:38:53 < kakimir> eye infection was the bitch
2016-12-29T15:40:20 < Thorn> don't wipe your eyes right after fapping
2016-12-29T15:40:52 < kakimir> I know rite
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2016-12-29T15:53:10 < kakimir> Thorn: I think it wasn't even my dick where infection came in my eye
2016-12-29T15:56:17 < kakimir> Visual Studio said bye
2016-12-29T15:59:44 < kakimir> is there free licence to keep going without having some school place or so?
2016-12-29T16:00:34 < Thorn> https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/community/
2016-12-29T16:00:47 < Steffanx> Yeah, the community edition is pretty free for you kakimir
2016-12-29T16:01:05 < Steffanx> unless kakimir is a large-ish corporation
2016-12-29T16:01:45 < kakimir> I have 2 options
2016-12-29T16:01:47 < Thorn> https://www.visualstudio.com/dev-essentials/
2016-12-29T16:01:59 < kakimir> 1) create hotmail account
2016-12-29T16:02:07 < kakimir> 2) turn back to eclipse
2016-12-29T16:02:11 < dongs> ???
2016-12-29T16:02:20 < dongs> visual studio never asked me for any hotmail a ccount
2016-12-29T16:02:21 < Steffanx> After your eye infection you need to C# again?
2016-12-29T16:03:21 < kakimir> dongs: because you paid 3k of it?
2016-12-29T16:05:37 < Steffanx> They do ask for a microsoft account nowadays. At least the 2016 community version
2016-12-29T16:05:37 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOTB5ajlWb051R2M/view?usp=sharing
2016-12-29T16:05:48 < Steffanx> you odnt need hotmail, jus a microsoft account
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2016-12-29T16:06:13 < kakimir> sounds bad
2016-12-29T16:06:44 < kakimir> Steffanx: I need to build my code infrastructure and skills
2016-12-29T16:06:45 < Steffanx> Not worse than your gmail stuff
2016-12-29T16:07:24 < Steffanx> Sorry it was a bad joke kakimir.. C# => see sharp
2016-12-29T16:07:27 < kakimir> well.. at least I can then use windows store
2016-12-29T16:09:45 < kakimir> do I create microsoft account based on some email address I have in use?
2016-12-29T16:10:00 < Steffanx> I believe you can
2016-12-29T16:10:06 < Steffanx> Not sure
2016-12-29T16:10:12 < Thorn> I used my gmail address
2016-12-29T16:12:38 < kakimir> it just asks for somebody@example.com and create password
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2016-12-29T17:40:36 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDt8jPJZtIw
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2016-12-29T18:38:25 < zyp> dongs, haha
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2016-12-29T19:01:16 < zyp> dongs, interesting project though, seems like a convenient approach to represent and modify metadata
2016-12-29T19:01:43 < zyp> especially the latter part
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2016-12-29T19:07:47 < PaulFertser> dongs: good news everyone! Your nightmare's back: https://github.com/daynix/UsbDk/blob/master/ARCHITECTURE
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2016-12-29T19:23:40 < Steffanx> Why is it a nightmare PaulFertser?
2016-12-29T19:24:50 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: filter drivers getting installed on all USB hubs. And dongs claims it's problematic to remove such drivers if anything goes wrong.
2016-12-29T19:25:21 < Steffanx> oh => "claims"
2016-12-29T19:26:33 < PaulFertser> Well, it really is problematic, "Device Manager" doesn't show usb hubs by default.
2016-12-29T19:27:01 < PaulFertser> iirc you'd need to boot in failsafe mode in windowsxp to even try to do anything with them.
2016-12-29T19:27:23 < Steffanx> even something like USBDeview wouldnt work?
2016-12-29T19:27:51 < Steffanx> And windows xp .. :P
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2016-12-29T19:28:31 < PaulFertser> No idea really, waiting for expert comments.
2016-12-29T19:28:52 < Steffanx> Yeah, never tried stuff like this either
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2016-12-29T20:09:59 < KolK> zyp, I have found what was a problem yesterday
2016-12-29T20:10:10 < KolK> it was stack overflow
2016-12-29T20:12:42 < zyp> :)
2016-12-29T20:20:46 < Steffanx> The priority stuff was unrelated?
2016-12-29T20:31:44 < Thorn> https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/ARM-CryptoCell-310
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2016-12-29T20:55:05 < Thorn> what's with nordick releasing a "preview" DK first? is nrf52-pdk different in any way from nrf52-dk?
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2016-12-29T21:14:01 < Steffanx> Maybe some early chip revisions?
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2016-12-29T22:19:38 < PaulFertser> Haha. As if his party was really properly secured.
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2016-12-29T22:22:16 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: they say about cyber-terrorism, meddling with elections etc. But they're so lame, using unencrypted emails, some poorly secured servers etc etc.
2016-12-29T22:22:50 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: funny to see that from the president of the country that developed such really advanced threats as Stuxnet.
2016-12-29T22:24:05 < Steffanx> "meddling in US elections via cyberhacking"..
2016-12-29T22:25:41 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: why does the US think it's acceptable to not publish any real evidence that would justify sanctions against russia?
2016-12-29T22:26:10 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: because they do not give a fuck about being honest, that's why.
2016-12-29T22:27:01 < PaulFertser> And because apparently they were so lame regarding it security that they would prefer not to show that.
2016-12-29T22:27:15 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: 31
2016-12-29T22:28:55 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: I mean really, damn them all, putin included. But this specific story is a showcase of lameness on the democrats' part IMHO.
2016-12-29T22:29:32 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: what's big about those new sanctions?
2016-12-29T22:30:28 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: they basically claim that russia helped to publish some dirty mails internal to the party to affect election results.
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2016-12-29T22:32:50 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: I do not think the new sanctions will have any major impact. The "Magnitsky" were the thing.
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2016-12-29T22:37:15 < PaulFertser> btw, I personally like the sanctions, they're not anti-russian, they're anti current corrupt establishment mostly.
2016-12-29T22:38:00 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: we'll see, please ping me when something becomes available.
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2016-12-29T22:51:32 < Thorn> fun fact: 40% of 11.11 packages ahve not yet arrived according to gdeposylka.ru tracking service
2016-12-29T23:07:19 < rcc> so 4.4444 packages?
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2016-12-29T23:30:13 < Thorn> fun shit http://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/pdf/nRF52832_Rev_1_Errata_v1.3.pdf
2016-12-29T23:33:39 < Steffanx> Could be worse..
2016-12-29T23:34:20 < Thorn> well there're 3 more errata docs for preview revisions and they ARE worse lol
2016-12-29T23:34:44 < Thorn> I guess this answers the PDK vs DK question
2016-12-29T23:35:48 < Thorn> so much magic code in workarounds. as I understand it accesses undocumented registers too
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2016-12-29T23:43:57 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx
2016-12-29T23:44:58  * jadew sets mode: +b *!*@*
2016-12-29T23:45:54 < Fleck> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/54/a5/73/88/15/dc/4c/3b/CD00001383.pdf/files/CD00001383.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00001383.pdf <<< does SD pin makes sense to you guys? Shouldn't it have line above SD letters (inverse?)
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2016-12-29T23:54:17 < Steffanx> Looking at the Timing waves it seems to be in shutdown when it's low, so.. i guess Fleck.
2016-12-29T23:57:24 < Fleck> you guess what? It makes sense or not? :D
2016-12-29T23:58:14 < Steffanx> so i guess what you said.
2016-12-29T23:59:53 < Fleck> ok :D
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2016-12-30T01:05:35 < kakimir> what was the movie where bruce willis or some other dude had gun on an computer controlled turret platform and he uses it to fuck up some dudes and stuff is it a movie?
2016-12-30T01:06:18 < kakimir> maube it was a comedy
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2016-12-30T01:10:49 < kakimir> 90's movie
2016-12-30T01:36:38 < rene-dev_> Im trying to get ADC_DUALMODE_REGSIMULT to work on a f303
2016-12-30T01:36:49 < rene-dev_> but CDR only contains data for the master
2016-12-30T01:37:08 < rene-dev_> in independent mode both fork, if I trigger them seperatly
2016-12-30T01:37:13 < rene-dev_> work
2016-12-30T01:37:35 < rene-dev_> same probem: https://community.st.com/thread/32282
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2016-12-30T01:47:27 < jadew> I haven't seen that movie
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2016-12-30T01:51:13 < jadew> thanks for the spoilers
2016-12-30T01:51:22 < jadew> is that the ending of the movie?
2016-12-30T01:51:34 < jadew> ah, ok
2016-12-30T01:52:06  * jadew stops reading
2016-12-30T01:52:49 < jadew> /clear
2016-12-30T01:52:50 < jadew> /clear
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2016-12-30T02:07:53 < jadew> you fucking ruined it for me
2016-12-30T02:08:01 < jadew> now I keep wondering "is this the guy?"
2016-12-30T02:08:08 < jadew> ffs..
2016-12-30T02:08:37 < jadew> you couldn't even stop after I complained about the spoilers, you had to add more
2016-12-30T02:08:38 < jadew> wtf...
2016-12-30T02:25:12 < jadew> well, he now owes me something to watch
2016-12-30T02:25:25 < jadew> cuz I can't watch that one anymore
2016-12-30T02:26:24 < jadew> it just seems like a decent movies
2016-12-30T02:26:26 < jadew> *movie
2016-12-30T02:26:35 < jadew> I don't care about the year
2016-12-30T02:26:45 < jadew> lots of good ones in 90's and even before that
2016-12-30T02:28:05 < jadew> 2016 was a let down
2016-12-30T02:29:05 < jadew> I'll check it out, thanks
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2016-12-30T02:33:32 < jadew> heh
2016-12-30T02:33:49 < jadew> like anyone dreams of sheep
2016-12-30T02:34:18 < jadew> I never dreamt of anything other than dogs and elephants
2016-12-30T02:44:16 < jadew> I've been stuck for months on the web interface for what I'm building, I hope that by the time I get to the server-side of things, C++17 won't be deprecated.
2016-12-30T02:45:09 < jadew> oh
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2016-12-30T03:24:40 < jadew> you know what evolution failed to give us?
2016-12-30T03:24:44 < jadew> a built in FPGA
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2016-12-30T03:25:41 < jadew> not enough to be useful for quickly switching to handling complex tasks in hardware
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2016-12-30T03:27:12 < jadew> for example, we could load a core that could let us listen to all stations on the radio at once, by just looking at the spectrum
2016-12-30T03:27:58 < jadew> that's true
2016-12-30T03:28:47 < jadew> heh, well, I do listen to radio, but it bothers me that I have to tune it into a bunch of crap songs before I find one that I like
2016-12-30T03:29:13 < jadew> well, the whole point of that module would be to pick up new tasks
2016-12-30T03:29:22 < jadew> we would need something to store the cores on
2016-12-30T03:29:28 < jadew> so like... slowly learning them
2016-12-30T03:29:46 < jadew> I'm tired of my songs
2016-12-30T03:30:26 < jadew> I've exhausted them all
2016-12-30T03:30:38 < jadew> when I get tired of something, I get tired of the entire genre
2016-12-30T03:32:04 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdl6zSYLtcU ?
2016-12-30T03:32:39 < jadew> what's that? indian rap?
2016-12-30T03:33:57 < jadew> this sums up my reaction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdl6zSYLtcU#t=3m24s
2016-12-30T03:35:45 < jadew> yeah, I got bored with metal after highschool
2016-12-30T03:36:55 < jadew> well, that type, I think I get tired of the same theme or... not really sure what it is
2016-12-30T03:37:01 < jadew> but there's no one genre that I didn't get over
2016-12-30T03:37:38 < jadew> after a while it starts sounding too familiar so I can't listen to it anymore
2016-12-30T03:38:37 < jadew> the electro swing phase lasted a couple of months
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2016-12-30T03:41:13 < jadew> example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco4z98nIQY
2016-12-30T03:43:06 < jadew> this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCXsRoyFRQE
2016-12-30T03:44:50 < jadew> lol
2016-12-30T03:45:37 < jadew> it's funny you'd say that, we had our parents over for some party and that song came up (the first one)
2016-12-30T03:45:48 < jadew> so they all rushed into my room to see what's playing
2016-12-30T03:45:55 < jadew> and then went ahead and identified the dancers
2016-12-30T03:50:18 < jadew> I was into psychobilly before electro swing
2016-12-30T03:50:20 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgqyVzj5kg4
2016-12-30T03:51:34 < jadew> haha
2016-12-30T03:51:57 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FBlLSI6lak
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2016-12-30T03:54:34 < jadew> I like stuff that's a little more melodic
2016-12-30T03:55:43 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5tg5JLClpo
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2016-12-30T03:58:35 < jadew> lol
2016-12-30T03:58:54 < jadew> that's weird
2016-12-30T04:01:59 < jadew> I guess that there is a genre I like, but I can't figure out exactly what it is
2016-12-30T04:02:39 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7251DAr0AY
2016-12-30T04:02:59 < jadew> could be the guitar style or the slutty chicks
2016-12-30T04:05:59 < jadew> oh right, and I don't like male vocals
2016-12-30T04:06:06 < jadew> should have started with that :P
2016-12-30T04:06:53 < jadew> I have the same guitar as one of the guitarists!
2016-12-30T04:07:19 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-30T04:07:28 < jadew> same with me, but with female vocals
2016-12-30T04:08:07 < jadew> oh, is it a 7 strings one?
2016-12-30T04:08:14 < jadew> I guess not then
2016-12-30T04:08:22 < jadew> I can't play the guitar
2016-12-30T04:08:37 < jadew> listening to betty blowtorch made me buy the electric one tho
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2016-12-30T04:09:49 < jadew> man... even now when I listen to betty blowtorch I feel like getting the guitar out and trying to jam along
2016-12-30T04:10:13 < jadew> but I'm not in the mood for disappointment today
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2016-12-30T04:13:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, not the kind of female voice I enjoy
2016-12-30T04:16:14 < jadew> do you listen other types of music or just metal & co?
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2016-12-30T04:16:36 < stvn> oy vey
2016-12-30T04:16:44 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGgsVRk96Qo
2016-12-30T04:17:02 < stvn> coin operated kike
2016-12-30T04:17:09 < jadew> hmm, turns out I can get back into genres I thought I was over
2016-12-30T04:17:16 < jadew> I still enjoy the dresden dolls
2016-12-30T04:17:27 < jadew> stvn knows
2016-12-30T04:17:29 < stvn> coin operated nigger
2016-12-30T04:17:36 < jadew> haha
2016-12-30T04:17:38 < stvn> lool
2016-12-30T04:18:36 < jadew> when I listen to the dresden dolls I have flashbacks of the visual studio interface
2016-12-30T04:18:58 < jadew> and nicely colored code
2016-12-30T04:20:41 < jadew> one of their best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N0sBo1cfNU
2016-12-30T04:21:25 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjyyoAeHPzU
2016-12-30T04:22:03 < stvn> give me the fucken goonbag
2016-12-30T04:23:14 < jadew> lol
2016-12-30T04:25:23 < jadew> I never saw them until now, but they don't ruin the mental image I had of them
2016-12-30T04:27:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai, they all sound the same to me
2016-12-30T04:27:54 < stvn> MOSQUITO BITES
2016-12-30T04:28:21 < jadew> I just realized it's the same one you linked earlier lol
2016-12-30T04:28:36 < jadew> I thought it's a different song from the same band
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2016-12-30T04:29:18 < jadew> [04:21.04] <LeelooMinai> jadew: This is nice too, but that's still pretty heavy I guess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Ao4t_fe0I&list=LL5SZB_A-Z0peexa8tGgGrzQ&index=12
2016-12-30T04:29:23 < jadew> [04:25.23] <LeelooMinai> jadew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Ao4t_fe0I&list=LL5SZB_A-Z0peexa8tGgGrzQ&index=12 :p
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2016-12-30T04:32:55 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgGNDNdrI0
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2016-12-30T04:34:18 < jadew> heh, I like it a lot
2016-12-30T04:43:25 < jadew> that's the same one
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2016-12-30T04:52:32 < jadew> I wish I still had access to pandora
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2016-12-30T05:08:12 < stvn> access
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2016-12-30T05:27:38 < dongs> crt-quality link incoming http://i.imgur.com/O0Uewj9.jpg
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2016-12-30T05:28:11 < stvn> lol
2016-12-30T05:28:17 < stvn> top kek senpai
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2016-12-30T05:41:07 < jadew> ok, I forgive you
2016-12-30T05:41:38 < jadew> the sci-fi one?
2016-12-30T05:41:42 < jadew> saw them both
2016-12-30T05:41:47 < jadew> and yeah, they're good
2016-12-30T05:43:46 < ColdKeyboard> Is it normal for Discovery board to have so noisy ADC? My readings are correct but for floating pins I get like 1200-2200 readings :S
2016-12-30T05:43:59 < ColdKeyboard> *nucleo board
2016-12-30T05:44:07 < ColdKeyboard> I'll have to double check the schematic
2016-12-30T05:44:31 < ColdKeyboard> I know on Disovery power supply was noisy af... turning on LED would cause 3.3 rail to dip by 0.2V
2016-12-30T05:46:00 < jadew> floating ADC pin?
2016-12-30T05:46:12 < jadew> you should worry if it's not "noisy"
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2016-12-30T05:57:27 < stvn> MouseReel™
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2016-12-30T06:02:58 < aandrew> ugh
2016-12-30T06:03:06 < aandrew> the recommended footprint for these EMI filters is HUGE
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2016-12-30T06:16:43 < stvn> yes
2016-12-30T06:17:04 < ReadErr> omfg
2016-12-30T06:17:12 < ReadErr> twitter suspsended Terry Davis ;(
2016-12-30T06:17:27 < ReadErr> what a bunch of SJW bitches
2016-12-30T06:17:38 < stvn> yes
2016-12-30T06:17:56 < stvn> that is what happens when women get angry
2016-12-30T06:18:13 < stvn> they start to blame all the world's problems on men
2016-12-30T06:18:58 < jadew> who is terry davis?
2016-12-30T06:19:14 < ReadErr> TempleOS guy
2016-12-30T06:19:25 < stvn> someone who shouldn't have let his wife out of the kitchen
2016-12-30T06:19:32 < ReadErr> he had some lovely quotes about github and the CIA n*gg**'s
2016-12-30T06:19:41 < jadew> aandrew, what EMI filters?
2016-12-30T06:20:22 < jadew> someone should start bashing twitter for discrimination against mentally ill people
2016-12-30T06:20:39 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: probably
2016-12-30T06:21:01 < stvn> lol
2016-12-30T06:21:20 < stvn> muh safe space mate
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2016-12-30T06:22:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm having a little trouble enabling pullups on PA10, on a STM32F103C8T6 blue pill
2016-12-30T06:22:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> Any strange reason for that to be happening?
2016-12-30T06:22:51 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/neEby0ll.jpg
2016-12-30T06:23:25 < jadew> lol
2016-12-30T06:25:01 < aandrew> jadew: Murata EMIFIL devices
2016-12-30T06:25:01 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/wIOIU
2016-12-30T06:25:06 < stvn> should append that to the channel topic upgrdman 
2016-12-30T06:25:13 < aandrew> the two blue-green things in the middle of that pic
2016-12-30T06:25:20 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2016-12-30T06:25:33 < stvn> nice aandrew 
2016-12-30T06:25:33 < aandrew> they recommend three 0.4mm vias down the center of it for grounding
2016-12-30T06:25:44 < stvn> is it a 3 wire capaita
2016-12-30T06:25:47 < stvn> capacita
2016-12-30T06:25:53 < aandrew> no, these are pi filters
2016-12-30T06:26:17 < stvn> ah 
2016-12-30T06:26:20 < stvn> sweet
2016-12-30T06:26:21 < stvn> which 1
2016-12-30T06:26:52 < jadew> aandrew, they don't look that big
2016-12-30T06:26:56 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, http://imgur.com/CbYdavf
2016-12-30T06:27:11 < jadew> question is, why do you have those headers there and such a thin trace?
2016-12-30T06:27:56 < jadew> nvm, you're not doing high freq
2016-12-30T06:28:18 < jadew> it wasn't adding up
2016-12-30T06:28:27 < upgrdman> :)
2016-12-30T06:28:54 < aandrew> jadew: they're 0805
2016-12-30T06:29:06 < aandrew> but the recommended footprint is taller than the part is wide
2016-12-30T06:29:23 < aandrew> it's ridiculous but I suppose that fantabulous grounding is essential for good operation of the filter
2016-12-30T06:29:33 < stvn> ty
2016-12-30T06:29:35 < jadew> aandrew, you can probably reduce the footprint a bit, if your layout is not made to work at GHz level frequencies then the EMI will be supressed by the impedance mismatching itself
2016-12-30T06:29:37 < aandrew> that header is CAN
2016-12-30T06:29:52 < aandrew> yeah it's all sub-megabit
2016-12-30T06:29:53 < jadew> (the EMI at high freq)
2016-12-30T06:30:03 < jadew> while the EMI at low frequencies will be dealt with by the filters
2016-12-30T06:30:07 < aandrew> but the design is to meet med-grade EMI tests
2016-12-30T06:30:16 < aandrew> they actually have pretty nasty ESD requirements too
2016-12-30T06:30:21 < stvn> indeed
2016-12-30T06:30:31 < aandrew> HBM isn't enough, they want machine level protection
2016-12-30T06:31:07 < stvn> terminated
2016-12-30T06:31:52 < jadew> just saying, it takes skill to carry high freq. signals around and if you don't pay attention to it, it won't happen
2016-12-30T06:32:00 < stvn> orly
2016-12-30T06:32:06 < jadew> the recommended footprint is mainly for those signals
2016-12-30T06:32:11 < aandrew> jadew: I know
2016-12-30T06:32:27 < aandrew> I did a microscopy project and they were *anal* about layout, It hink the layout took 3x as long as normal
2016-12-30T06:32:40 < aandrew> but they knew somehting, the design came in well under what they had planned for
2016-12-30T06:33:05 < aandrew> that was a wild project. super sensitive analog, tons of digital
2016-12-30T06:33:20 < stvn> sounds interesting
2016-12-30T06:33:36 < aandrew> it was something like 5 boards, a bigass motherboard, detector front end cards, scan gen cards, video processing cards and digitizers
2016-12-30T06:33:44 < stvn> :o
2016-12-30T06:33:50 < aandrew> we pretty much lived and breathed Ott
2016-12-30T06:33:59 < stvn> the emc guy yes?
2016-12-30T06:34:18 < aandrew> can't really opto 300Mbit LVDS
2016-12-30T06:34:24 < aandrew> stvn: yes
2016-12-30T06:34:28 < stvn> i love his book
2016-12-30T06:35:33 < aandrew> still doesn't really help the problem either
2016-12-30T06:35:50 < aandrew> you might still radiate like crazy
2016-12-30T06:36:04 < aandrew> that was all done in Eagle too... torture. :-)
2016-12-30T06:36:08 < stvn> hah
2016-12-30T06:36:15 < upgrdman> i was super impressed by how slow this RC airplane could fly... until i realized the fuselage is a helium balloon   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3iE8FInNuc&feature=youtu.be
2016-12-30T06:37:00 < dongs> < aandrew> that was all done in Eagle too
2016-12-30T06:37:01 < dongs> ............
2016-12-30T06:37:18 < jadew> stvn, how come you knew about Ott's book? I thought you're doing audio stuff?
2016-12-30T06:37:37 < stvn> jadew, i did emc stuff too
2016-12-30T06:37:50 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: well it's a full control and digitizing system for FIBs and SEMs
2016-12-30T06:37:59 < aandrew> you need to be both very quiet and very sensitive
2016-12-30T06:38:07 < jadew> neat
2016-12-30T06:38:12 < aandrew> dongs: don't ask
2016-12-30T06:38:33 < stvn> was about to say, to mention that package is to wake up a few here....
2016-12-30T06:39:41 < aandrew> dongs: http://imgur.com/a/rb6cK
2016-12-30T06:39:46 < aandrew> 8 layers IIRC
2016-12-30T06:40:00 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: this was before I finally jumped ship and dropped Eagle
2016-12-30T06:40:07 < dongs> aids
2016-12-30T06:40:37 < dongs> that sidewats ethernet jack looks amazing
2016-12-30T06:41:00 < aandrew> dongs: not actually ethernet
2016-12-30T06:41:05 < dongs> right, obviously
2016-12-30T06:41:13 < dongs> just diff lane carrier
2016-12-30T06:41:41 < dongs> and the bottom socket is not actually PCI/PCIe either
2016-12-30T06:41:44 < dongs> lolol
2016-12-30T06:41:48 < aandrew> that board is the detector front end, it takes the tiny noisy signals from the actual FIB/SEM detector elements and cleans/boosts them up so they can be properly mangled by the video front end board
2016-12-30T06:42:20 < aandrew> that angle is actually calculated so that a cat7 cable won't be bent too much to create SI issues before the video processor
2016-12-30T06:42:30 < jadew> 4 signals?
2016-12-30T06:42:37 < aandrew> each board can handle 4 detectors
2016-12-30T06:42:53 < jadew> do SEMs have multiple detectors?
2016-12-30T06:43:00 < jadew> I thought it's just the one
2016-12-30T06:43:25 < aandrew> and corect about the PCIe; the connector was chosen because it's reversible. one absolutely ridiculous requirement came up that Zeiss wanted the inputs facing one way in the case and the other OEM (can't think of their name offhand now) wanted them the other way
2016-12-30T06:43:30 < aandrew> so everything was reversible. 
2016-12-30T06:43:49 < aandrew> jadew: you can have multiple detectors, I think we handled 2 DFE boards on the motherboard
2016-12-30T06:43:56 < aandrew> actually I have a motherboard behind me here hang on
2016-12-30T06:44:03 < dongs> aandrew: haha, really , so youcan plug the board in either way?
2016-12-30T06:44:16 < aandrew> dongs: yep
2016-12-30T06:44:42 < dongs> TIL: aandrew invented USB-C before usb-c was even cool
2016-12-30T06:45:24 < aandrew> jadew: sorry 4 detector cards (16 input channels, some detector channels are actually duals as well but there are weird gotchas with those specific detectors), 2 video processors, two scan gens (each giving XYZ, so able to drive two beams) and then the FPGA to take all that data
2016-12-30T06:45:30 < aandrew> no man
2016-12-30T06:45:33 < aandrew> PCIe-C
2016-12-30T06:46:41 < dongs> haha
2016-12-30T06:47:57 < jadew> that's crazy
2016-12-30T06:48:10 < aandrew> the VBE cards mangle the data (contrast, brightness, etc, at this point the detector data is very much like a composite video signal) and digitized by a cool quad chan ADC
2016-12-30T06:49:29 < aandrew> we used some cypress clock gen/pll/retiming IC to help us skew the clocks going to all the boards because the FPGA couldn't quite do it on its own
2016-12-30T06:49:47 < aandrew> between the FPGA and the retimer though it all works
2016-12-30T06:50:31 < aandrew> I really liked that contract. dude wasn't afraid to spend money when it was needed. we built a few versions of subsets of the motherboard to test out things like the clock gen and different supply topologies
2016-12-30T06:52:46 < dongs> you mean he didnt wanna spend $150 total for a turnkey 6 layer board design?
2016-12-30T06:53:10 < stvn> freecancer
2016-12-30T06:53:11 < aandrew> heh no
2016-12-30T06:53:22 < upgrdman> lol  https://twitter.com/quidryan/status/814046633830662144
2016-12-30T06:53:26 < aandrew> so out of all the people responding to freelancer two were good
2016-12-30T06:53:29 < aandrew> one in .mx one in .ie
2016-12-30T06:53:34 < aandrew> but I figured it out on my own
2016-12-30T06:53:42 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Modify-PCB/ like this guy
2016-12-30T06:53:46 < aandrew> I have a .net GUI winforms app running on rpi 
2016-12-30T06:53:54 < dongs> i can understand what he wants, but thats definitely not a $150 job
2016-12-30T06:54:33 < dongs> and the board he wants changed around is 6L carrier board for a sodimm-sized SoM
2016-12-30T06:54:41 < dongs> soo yea no
2016-12-30T06:54:45 < aandrew> dude that's like a 4 grand project
2016-12-30T06:54:51 < dongs> exactly
2016-12-30T06:55:15 < stvn> delusional freelancer
2016-12-30T06:55:44 < dongs> whats funny is, the top bidding guy can actaually do it
2016-12-30T06:55:57 < dongs> he's done simlar shit for just as cheap
2016-12-30T06:55:57 < stvn> :/
2016-12-30T06:56:22 < dongs> also I've seen regulviktor take $1k+ projects for like $50
2016-12-30T06:56:44 < stvn> paki?
2016-12-30T06:56:50 < dongs> k time to write pwm beeper driver
2016-12-30T06:56:59 < stvn>  \o/
2016-12-30T06:57:46 < aandrew> highfliercnr?
2016-12-30T06:58:12 < aandrew> er wait no regulviktor is the highest
2016-12-30T06:58:17 < aandrew> $555 in 20 days
2016-12-30T06:58:23 < aandrew> that's a lot of effort for $555
2016-12-30T06:58:25 < dongs> highest = newest/top of the list sorry
2016-12-30T06:58:32 < dongs> yeah highghflier
2016-12-30T06:58:38 < aandrew> ah
2016-12-30T06:58:41 < aandrew> that's even crazier
2016-12-30T06:58:43 < aandrew> 3 days? no fucking way
2016-12-30T07:00:38 < stvn> cocaine
2016-12-30T07:01:16 < dongs> or highfliers goes and flogs it on chinese freecancer equivalent
2016-12-30T07:01:18 < dongs> for even less
2016-12-30T07:02:05 < jadew> it's why I didn't bother too much with freelancing sites
2016-12-30T07:02:10 < stvn> lul
2016-12-30T07:02:22 < jadew> there's always a paki that will take $20 for a 2k project
2016-12-30T07:02:43 < stvn> probably
2016-12-30T07:05:23 < jadew> unless they're a scam of course
2016-12-30T07:05:29 < jadew> to make everyone bid lower
2016-12-30T07:05:40 < jadew> and the all the $2 pakis are fake
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2016-12-30T07:09:34 < stvn> i wonder how the IP is managed
2016-12-30T07:09:51 < stvn> paki probably sells the design to 100 other cunts and makes the 2k anyway
2016-12-30T07:10:40 < jadew> on top of that, I think they're usually teams
2016-12-30T07:10:50 < jadew> like... engineering/programming sweat shops
2016-12-30T07:11:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> flipping wonderful, I'm getting a blocking handler
2016-12-30T07:11:36 < jadew> we had an employee once that was from pakistan and a couple of times he said "we" when he should have said "I"
2016-12-30T07:11:58 < jadew> I always thought that guy was actually no one in particular, but a group effort
2016-12-30T07:12:24 < jadew> we only talked to him over e-mail / instant messaging
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2016-12-30T07:17:50 < dongs> or he had multiple personality disorder
2016-12-30T07:19:03 < jadew> or that
2016-12-30T07:19:42 < jadew> at one point we were wondering if he's still working for us cuz we haven't heard of him in so long (like a year or more)
2016-12-30T07:19:50 < jadew> and I asked my boss about him
2016-12-30T07:20:07 < jadew> he forgot that guy even existed, I had to remind him
2016-12-30T07:20:18 < jadew> turned out he was still getting paid lol
2016-12-30T07:20:40 < dongs> sounds about right
2016-12-30T07:24:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> I press button, and I get a blocking handler.
2016-12-30T07:24:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> Well, at least it's reproducible
2016-12-30T07:33:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> ah. Yes. Accessing the 113/8=14'th element of a 2 element array will do that
2016-12-30T07:40:12 < stvn> sounds good
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2016-12-30T07:49:44 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F405zJKK_vE japs
2016-12-30T07:52:52 < jadew> she must be a hell of a cook
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2016-12-30T08:06:46 < upgrdman> surprised the japs haven't made a tool to cut that vegetable into 100 pieces with one stroke of 100 blades
2016-12-30T08:07:08 < jadew> that's a wild assumption
2016-12-30T08:07:10 < upgrdman> can you imagine a half-german half-jap engineer? must be like superman
2016-12-30T08:07:46 < upgrdman> it must be perfect, or he will bring great shame to his family
2016-12-30T08:10:40 < dongs> both japs and germans are into scat, too
2016-12-30T08:11:37 < zyp> is that why you moved to jp?
2016-12-30T08:11:57 < dongs> you got it
2016-12-30T08:12:32 < jadew> upgrdman, looks like they didn't make such a thing, apparently, that's how pro japs do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEtN_v01G6Y#t=6m24s
2016-12-30T08:13:00 < upgrdman> dongs, where were you before .jp?
2016-12-30T08:14:11 < dongs> fucking japs
2016-12-30T08:14:12 < dongs> alaska
2016-12-30T08:23:49 < upgrdman> those of you that work in a small company, or are the "rockstar" developer... what do you do to refine/expand your abilities?
2016-12-30T08:24:10 < upgrdman> i have ~nothing to learn from most of my coworkers.
2016-12-30T08:24:21 < dongs> find creative ways to fap at the office
2016-12-30T08:24:25 < upgrdman> lol
2016-12-30T08:26:10 < dongs> hmm wtf
2016-12-30T08:27:42 < dongs> 32bit timers on STM, i can just use 16bit period/etc and it doesnt care right
2016-12-30T08:29:44 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, wtf? 
2016-12-30T08:29:53 < upgrdman> doesnt look very elegent
2016-12-30T08:29:57 < upgrdman> how it look when you call it
2016-12-30T08:31:29 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, so you like, uh... nigger = lazy + dumb + picksCotton; ?
2016-12-30T08:31:31 < dongs> o yeah, i had DMA doing PeripheraltoMemory instead of the other way around to TIm CCR
2016-12-30T08:31:38 < jadew> LeelooMinai, neat
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2016-12-30T08:31:52 < jadew> FieldSetSpec sets the fields position?
2016-12-30T08:31:59 < dongs> more like, LeelooMan = still has dick + irc
2016-12-30T08:33:09 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, see if two people are already asking how it works... you're not making things clearer
2016-12-30T08:33:27 < jadew> I understand how it works
2016-12-30T08:33:37 < upgrdman> no you dont you fucking nigger
2016-12-30T08:33:41 < upgrdman> j/k
2016-12-30T08:34:21 < jadew> it's pretty nice, but a bit verbose
2016-12-30T08:34:28 < upgrdman> right. well, make LeelooCubeF4 and sell it for profit
2016-12-30T08:35:42 < jadew> I guess that in a real world example would actually look good
2016-12-30T08:36:10 < jadew> LeelooMinai, no, I meant about the way you use it
2016-12-30T08:36:14 < jadew> but it's really not
2016-12-30T08:36:27 < jadew> yeah, it looks nice
2016-12-30T08:36:49 < jadew> the declaration is verbose, but there's not much you can do about that
2016-12-30T08:37:29 < jadew> yeah
2016-12-30T08:38:04 < jadew> not really tons :P
2016-12-30T08:38:19 < jadew> 4 at most :P
2016-12-30T08:38:46 < jadew> 5, sorry
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2016-12-30T08:39:33 < jadew> yep
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2016-12-30T08:57:24 < ReadErr> where is ohsix at LeelooMinai ?
2016-12-30T08:59:07 < ReadErr> lol Laurenceb is still +q'd
2016-12-30T09:04:06 < dongs> i dono im thinkin 24 or 48 or so
2016-12-30T09:04:28 < dongs> http://www.dmsolar.com/solar-module-2221.html
2016-12-30T09:09:47 < dongs> there's a diode or something in them for that
2016-12-30T09:09:53 < dongs> or some trash in teh black box behind the panel
2016-12-30T09:09:56 < dongs> why dont you just google
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2016-12-30T09:22:28 < upgrdman> R2COM, you gonna cover your roof like dave jones?
2016-12-30T09:22:46 < upgrdman> you could vlog it, but act like FPSrussia guy
2016-12-30T09:22:53 < dongs> dave jobless only makes 40k a year off jewtube
2016-12-30T09:24:29 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, if he's only pulling in $100k/year from all that, that's sad. any decent EE in a first world country is making six figures after a couple years of experience
2016-12-30T09:25:11 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, usa
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2016-12-30T09:26:22 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, you've been drinking too much maple syrup. canada is a 2nd world shit hole. look at how weak your shit canuk dollary doos are
2016-12-30T09:26:37 < dongs> lol canada
2016-12-30T09:27:45 < dongs> what the shit am i doing wrong. DMA is spining, timer is counting, memory buffer is getting filled wiht data, TIM->CCR1 is actually updating according  to that data, but theres no fucking timer output after one run of DMA
2016-12-30T09:27:52 < upgrdman> ice nigger
2016-12-30T09:28:52 < upgrdman> we should colonize canada
2016-12-30T09:29:00 < upgrdman> we could too
2016-12-30T09:29:05 < upgrdman> canada is so fucking weak
2016-12-30T09:29:16 < upgrdman> fuck yes
2016-12-30T09:29:22 < upgrdman> red alert 2 style
2016-12-30T09:29:23 < kOStiX> dong: got circular mode for dma enabled?
2016-12-30T09:29:24 < dongs> shoot down some boeing 777s over canada first
2016-12-30T09:29:28 < dongs> kOStiX: yeha
2016-12-30T09:29:46 < dongs> its spinning, i can watch teh fucking TIM2->CCR1 and its updating
2016-12-30T09:29:56 < dongs> but theres fuckall coming out of timer pin except once
2016-12-30T09:30:02 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol
2016-12-30T09:31:20 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, lol. try visiting china. no one with half a brain would think that.
2016-12-30T09:31:30 < kOStiX> what if you reinit the dma after one dma transfer?
2016-12-30T09:31:40 < dongs> kOStiX: but DMA is running as far as i can tell
2016-12-30T09:31:44 < dongs> CCR keeps updating
2016-12-30T09:32:04 < dongs> NDTR is moving
2016-12-30T09:32:13 < dongs> and I see buffer changing values and shit
2016-12-30T09:32:17 < dongs> what the shit
2016-12-30T09:32:23 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, you are fucking delusional. homeless people in the usa are doing better than most of the employed people in china
2016-12-30T09:32:44 < dongs> upgrdman: /ignore LeelooMinai already lol. you're wasting time arguing on the internet
2016-12-30T09:32:45 < kOStiX> maybe some interrupt flag isnt cleared somewhere or something 
2016-12-30T09:32:51 < upgrdman> dongs, :)
2016-12-30T09:33:23 < kOStiX> there are those half transfer interrupts, i remember i had some issues cause of having them enabled
2016-12-30T09:33:35 < dongs> kOStiX: i have HTIE/TCIE, and im clearing those. i've checked DMA irq handler and im hitting HT/TC in pingpong and its running.
2016-12-30T09:33:36 < stvn> ohsix might be able to help
2016-12-30T09:34:27 < dongs> the fucking buffer numbers are changing and those are made in the interrupt. so wat teh fuck ugh
2016-12-30T09:34:46 < kOStiX> this is on hal? you using their interrupt handler functions?
2016-12-30T09:34:52 < dongs> nah i dont do hal
2016-12-30T09:34:58 < kOStiX> ah ok
2016-12-30T09:35:22 < stvn> has HAL ever worked, ever... for anyone here?
2016-12-30T09:35:31 < kOStiX> for me it has
2016-12-30T09:35:58 < stvn> happy times
2016-12-30T09:36:07 < kOStiX> hehe
2016-12-30T09:36:11 < kOStiX> its has its method
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2016-12-30T09:36:31 < dongs> ahahah R2COM 
2016-12-30T09:36:32 < dongs> <3
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2016-12-30T09:37:54 < stvn> :]
2016-12-30T09:37:58 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, you butt hurt faggot.
2016-12-30T09:38:12 < ohsix> ru peepin my idle time stvn
2016-12-30T09:38:58 < stvn> how did you guys set him off?
2016-12-30T09:38:59 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, but now seriously. first world includes your precious canada. by first world i meant developed.
2016-12-30T09:39:25 < upgrdman> e.g. most western countries, and the not-poor euro countries, etc.
2016-12-30T09:40:13 < zyp> dongs, dma transfer sizes messing up your data, writing a 32bit value to CCR1?
2016-12-30T09:40:25 < upgrdman> $100k is seriously like 2-years-after-bachelors-degrees for most EE/CE/CS fucks in the first world
2016-12-30T09:40:43 < ohsix> i found a 30+watt PA speaker at ye olde junke shoppe, it's really obnoxious
2016-12-30T09:40:50 < dongs> well CCR1 is H/L on this dumb 32bit timer
2016-12-30T09:40:57 < dongs> i see same value going into both H and L
2016-12-30T09:41:01 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, its not a disaster. you're letting media skew your view of reality
2016-12-30T09:41:05 < zyp> dongs, exactly
2016-12-30T09:41:09 < dongs> is that wrong?
2016-12-30T09:41:10 < dongs> lol
2016-12-30T09:41:16 < zyp> that was what I figured was happening
2016-12-30T09:41:37 < dongs> but how od i fix that?
2016-12-30T09:41:37 < ohsix> only 20mA/5v and it is unbearably loud, needs equalization/filtering tho, also siren noises
2016-12-30T09:41:38 < zyp> so you get a 32-bit value that's always higher than your 16-bit count value
2016-12-30T09:41:42 < stvn> mr.z will make it all better
2016-12-30T09:41:49 < zyp> dongs, fix the dma transfer size
2016-12-30T09:41:54 < dongs> to.. 32bit?
2016-12-30T09:41:57 < ohsix> it's branded Amway, NFI why they would have had their own branded PA speakers
2016-12-30T09:42:08 < zyp> dongs, how is it configured now?
2016-12-30T09:42:30 < dongs> yeah, ok 32bit fixed it
2016-12-30T09:42:31 < dongs> halfword on both
2016-12-30T09:42:35 < zyp> right
2016-12-30T09:42:35 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i do know what's going on. and if you stop freaking out about what a bunch of "journalists" write, you'll find that life is great.
2016-12-30T09:42:44 < zyp> timer probably doesn't understand bytelanes
2016-12-30T09:42:48 < ohsix> http://www.armslist.com/posts/4008802/jacksonville-north-carolina-misc-for-sale--vintage-amway-amguard-perimeter-alram ohh from a hosue alarm
2016-12-30T09:43:07 < upgrdman> journalists on both sides are fucking click-bait faggots
2016-12-30T09:43:31 < stvn> i need a cure for my autism
2016-12-30T09:43:38 < dongs> huh what the shit
2016-12-30T09:43:47 < dongs> zyp, it still has H sometimes filling with number
2016-12-30T09:43:50 < dongs> but at least works
2016-12-30T09:43:53 < dongs> maybe ill just make buffer 32bit
2016-12-30T09:44:22 < ohsix> there are no sides, time is a squared circle
2016-12-30T09:44:27 < dongs> works now
2016-12-30T09:44:35 < dongs> with 32bit buffer
2016-12-30T09:44:39 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, does your internet == reddit circlejerkers ?
2016-12-30T09:44:41 < dongs> halfword->word was still managing to get some bytes into crap
2016-12-30T09:44:51 < upgrdman> indeed
2016-12-30T09:45:23 < ohsix> supgrdman
2016-12-30T09:45:32 < upgrdman> lol
2016-12-30T09:45:38 < upgrdman> hellohsix
2016-12-30T09:46:02 < ohsix> obnoxious noises
2016-12-30T09:46:05 < ohsix> !!!!!1
2016-12-30T09:47:06 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, trump is shit. but hillary would be worse.
2016-12-30T09:47:50 < upgrdman> think about that. image it. hillary lost to FUCKING TRUMP. must feel horrible to be here. she lost to someone that acts like trump. lol
2016-12-30T09:47:57 < stvn> fucking byte lanes, how do they work.
2016-12-30T09:48:07 < upgrdman> s/here/her
2016-12-30T09:48:27 < dongs> stvn: they're part of solar roadways
2016-12-30T09:48:27 < ohsix> who are you talking to
2016-12-30T09:48:31 < stvn> fuck.
2016-12-30T09:48:36 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i do. and that doesnt matter.
2016-12-30T09:48:45 < upgrdman> pop vote does not elect a president in the usa.
2016-12-30T09:48:50 < upgrdman> this is nothing new.
2016-12-30T09:49:01 < upgrdman> like 0.5%...
2016-12-30T09:49:02 < ohsix> ya it does u shut upgrdman
2016-12-30T09:49:03 < dongs> why does leelooman even care about usa president
2016-12-30T09:49:06 < upgrdman> not like some landslide
2016-12-30T09:49:19 < upgrdman> ohsix, ?
2016-12-30T09:49:30 < ohsix> why do you hate freedom
2016-12-30T09:49:46 < upgrdman> i dont. im just dicking off on irc.
2016-12-30T09:49:58 < upgrdman> but seriously. pop vote does not elect the president in the usa
2016-12-30T09:50:17 < upgrdman> this is like high school level usa government class
2016-12-30T09:50:26 < dongs> haha.
2016-12-30T09:50:38 < ohsix> FTS tune in drop out
2016-12-30T09:51:28 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i dont have high hopes for trump, but i'll wait to see how badly he does before i cry like a little bitch about him on irc
2016-12-30T09:51:40 < stvn> somebody pull the plug!
2016-12-30T09:51:48 < ohsix> you know those port-o-potties you dread having to use
2016-12-30T09:51:56  * stvn whistles to englishman 
2016-12-30T09:52:07 < stvn> oy vey SHUT IT DOWN
2016-12-30T09:52:08 < upgrdman> stvn, you mad at me now?
2016-12-30T09:52:13 < stvn> no
2016-12-30T09:52:30 < stvn> leeloo is penetrating the filter!
2016-12-30T09:52:35 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i didnt say large margin
2016-12-30T09:52:50 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o stvn] by ChanServ
2016-12-30T09:53:16 < upgrdman> no i didnt
2016-12-30T09:53:19 < upgrdman> you cunt
2016-12-30T09:53:29 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q LeelooMinai!*@*] by stvn
2016-12-30T09:53:50 < ohsix> how did this problem ~resolve itself so quickly when i gave up
2016-12-30T09:53:53 < ohsix> good show chaps
2016-12-30T09:54:05 < ohsix> now i need some code that simulates a siren
2016-12-30T09:54:09 < upgrdman> ohsix, sorry. i was having fun so i kept it going
2016-12-30T09:54:23 < ohsix> huhu
2016-12-30T09:55:33 < ohsix> i'm usually not mad when i found out i've wasted a whole bunch of time, cuz it means i learned something
2016-12-30T10:00:24 < dongs> lets talk about stm32
2016-12-30T10:00:43 < dongs> i'm playing mod files on F407 through PAM8301
2016-12-30T10:00:43 < ohsix> i have a project that might be interesting and need to use one
2016-12-30T10:01:29 < ohsix> probably already said too much, nothing super interesting but i don't want to say shit until something interesting comes of it
2016-12-30T10:08:53 < ohsix> lul microchip killed @Atmel on twitter
2016-12-30T10:10:07 < kOStiX> dongs: nice, thats the stuff thats not working?
2016-12-30T10:10:12 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-30T10:10:15 < dongs> which it does now
2016-12-30T10:10:18 < kOStiX> ah cool
2016-12-30T10:10:21 < kOStiX> what was it?
2016-12-30T10:10:42 < dongs> waht zyp said
2016-12-30T10:10:48 < dongs> it was 32bit timer, wiht 16bit DMA
2016-12-30T10:11:00 < kOStiX> ah sorry i missed part of the conversation
2016-12-30T10:11:01 < dongs> and it was copying counter value into CCR1 as 2 16bit parts
2016-12-30T10:11:08 < kOStiX> i see
2016-12-30T10:11:18 < dongs> so ccr was way higher than any period could be
2016-12-30T10:11:24 < dongs> so, t here was never any output
2016-12-30T10:11:32 < kOStiX> yea
2016-12-30T10:11:44 < dongs> changed buffer to 32bits and DMA to 32, and it works. didnt work with 16bit buffer and 32bit dma tho
2016-12-30T10:12:18 < kOStiX> cool
2016-12-30T10:20:31 < bartekww> hey
2016-12-30T10:20:58 < bartekww> i have got a problem with one pulse timer
2016-12-30T10:21:03 < bartekww> on CubeMX HAL
2016-12-30T10:21:57 < bartekww> if i start it, it don't start
2016-12-30T10:22:02 < bartekww> normal timer works ok
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2016-12-30T10:23:27 < dongs> kik,'
2016-12-30T10:23:33 < dongs> someone butthurt /msg'd
2016-12-30T10:23:44 < dongs> GIVE ME MY SAFESPACE BACK!!!
2016-12-30T10:23:52 < stvn> ;(
2016-12-30T10:24:56 < stvn> inb4 ##MDKARM
2016-12-30T10:32:47 < ohsix>      2. one who bones food.
2016-12-30T10:32:51 < ohsix> what on earth
2016-12-30T10:36:25 < Thorn> according to tracking my package is in my local post office and in Finland at the same time
2016-12-30T10:36:43 < ohsix> nice
2016-12-30T10:36:48 < ohsix> when you look it up at local post?
2016-12-30T10:37:16 < ohsix> http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn heh wordnet online does a LOT, i'd only seen some of it via dict
2016-12-30T10:38:03 < Thorn> I just got home with it, it doesn't contain cats but there is some kind of velvet towel(?) that I did not order
2016-12-30T10:38:32 < Thorn> seems unlikely that it's there to protect spools of solder wire
2016-12-30T10:40:02 < ohsix> not super weird for an out of country tracking number to stop at the border or whatever
2016-12-30T10:40:09 < ohsix> did you expect cats?
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2016-12-30T10:44:03 < Thorn> it didn't stop at the border. there is a new status today from Finland Post: the package is prepared for delivery abroad for the second time
2016-12-30T10:44:38 < Thorn> I believe reuse of tracking number is not allowed within a year
2016-12-30T10:45:56 < ohsix> nice
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2016-12-30T10:46:13 < ohsix> you could figure out how many packages would have to be sent for them to be reused :p
2016-12-30T10:47:44 < dongs> reuse of autism
2016-12-30T10:52:02 < ReadErr> ohsix: whats up with twitter banning ole Terry Davis
2016-12-30T10:54:42 < ohsix> Glittermitten Grove, released on Steam mid-December, actually contains Frog Fractions 2, as I discovered while poking around in the Frog Fractions 2 Discord today.
2016-12-30T10:54:57 < ohsix> ReadErr: was it actually him?
2016-12-30T10:55:32 < ohsix> Terry Davis' (TempleOS) Brutal Take-Down of Linus Torvalds - YouTube
2016-12-30T10:55:33 < ohsix> lul
2016-12-30T10:55:44 < ohsix> 30 minute rant on his own youtube channel with clickb8 title
2016-12-30T10:56:27 < ohsix> heh he requested to do an AMA in 2015
2016-12-30T10:56:50 < ReadErr> im sure it was him
2016-12-30T10:59:44 < dongs> kOStiX: https://youtu.be/9Pxqv3iNzMc
2016-12-30T11:01:58 < ohsix> boner conduction speaker
2016-12-30T11:02:05 < ohsix> f u i was going to play with those
2016-12-30T11:04:11 < ohsix> ReadErr: lul the scripting language is called 'holyc'
2016-12-30T11:04:14 < ohsix> as in holy see
2016-12-30T11:04:16 < ohsix> fff
2016-12-30T11:04:21 < ohsix> gotta respect the puns
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2016-12-30T11:27:34 < Thorn> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AwEaPpUoZig/VVseqHihvmI/AAAAAAAAE4I/KXRwlda7aVo/s1600/c455143c47b2b402ba9646f89a16a935.jpg <-- she is under sanctions for hacking American elections
2016-12-30T11:28:16 < ohsix> that's totally a dude
2016-12-30T11:28:27 < ohsix> which elections and by whom
2016-12-30T11:29:53 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/FortunateImpartialIndusriverdolphin
2016-12-30T11:33:05 < ohsix> upgrdman: that's how you get extra space on the train
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2016-12-30T11:36:30 < Fleck> good morning!
2016-12-30T11:37:33 < Steffanx> Morning.
2016-12-30T11:37:59 < Fleck> sup Steff?
2016-12-30T11:38:27 < Steffanx> Nada.
2016-12-30T11:38:59 < Fleck> himmel? :D
2016-12-30T11:39:20 < ohsix> goebbels
2016-12-30T11:43:39 < stvn> welcome back Steffanx 
2016-12-30T11:48:02 < Fleck> stvn: where did freedom of speech go?
2016-12-30T11:48:10 < stvn> down the drain
2016-12-30T11:48:45 < stvn> how are you doing today Fleck?
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2016-12-30T11:51:06 < Fleck> anyway, that was cheap stvn...
2016-12-30T11:51:08 < Fleck> shame on you!
2016-12-30T11:57:44 < ohsix> http://store.steampowered.com/app/448510/ someone b my friend so i can play these games
2016-12-30T11:59:17 < Fleck> seems like stvn and upgrdman can be your close friends ohsix, looks likt that at least :p
2016-12-30T11:59:52 < ohsix> not close enough for that game
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2016-12-30T12:16:07 < Fleck> stvn: first who should be +q`ed here is dongs, next in line are all his suck ups (read - fanboys...)
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2016-12-30T12:20:25 < Steffanx> Or not. He was like the ONLY one ontopic this morning/night (for me)
2016-12-30T12:21:58 < dongs> i'm always on topic
2016-12-30T12:22:04 < dongs> let's see Fleck's STM32 projects
2016-12-30T12:22:19 < Fleck> thats like saying in court - I only killed one person, look, how many I did not kill! :D 
2016-12-30T12:22:44 < ohsix> keep it light
2016-12-30T12:23:12 < PaulFertser> I shot the sheriff but I didn't shoot no deputy. Oh Lord!
2016-12-30T12:24:53 < PaulFertser> Who tried OpenOCD 0.10.0-rc1 on STM32 yet?
2016-12-30T12:26:20 < Fleck> is stmqspi also there PaulFertser?
2016-12-30T12:27:11 < PaulFertser> Fleck: nope, it's too late. And undertested and underreviewd.
2016-12-30T12:27:20 < ohsix> kOStiX: heh the fedora package description for faust is a little more to the point compared to the website http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710544/
2016-12-30T12:27:32 < Fleck> PaulFertser: ok
2016-12-30T12:28:12 < ohsix> charlie brookers 2016 wipe is out
2016-12-30T12:28:23 < ohsix> for the fun lover
2016-12-30T12:28:36 < PaulFertser> Fleck: btw, it was updated on Dec 24 http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/3918/ , the more review it gets, the easier it'd be to merge it.
2016-12-30T12:29:16 < PaulFertser> Fleck: it's "substantially rewritten"
2016-12-30T12:29:19 < Fleck> yeah, cool changes, faster! :P
2016-12-30T12:29:37 < Fleck> tried uploading 15MB, that took a loooong time! :)
2016-12-30T12:30:49 < PaulFertser> jlink got swo support in 0.10.0-rc1
2016-12-30T12:31:10 < kOStiX> nice haha
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2016-12-30T12:39:15 < stvn> join us now and share the software
2016-12-30T12:39:45 < dongs> PaulFertser: using hacked driver?
2016-12-30T12:39:50 < dongs> or using jlink protocol
2016-12-30T12:41:26 < stvn> Fleck, no problems with senpai unless you're a jew... or something
2016-12-30T12:41:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: OpenOCD talks to J-Link directly via WinUSB. 
2016-12-30T12:44:03 < dongs> PaulFertser: on windows as well?
2016-12-30T12:44:58 < Fleck> stvn: same I can say, unless you are gay :D
2016-12-30T12:45:45 < PaulFertser> dongs: only on windows. On other systems it talks directly to the kernel interfaces that allow USB communications for the userspace.
2016-12-30T12:46:33 < dongs> oh one of those things.
2016-12-30T12:46:50 < dongs> so basicalyl it makes real jlink tools unuasble
2016-12-30T12:46:52 < dongs> on windows
2016-12-30T12:47:03 < dongs> then again I don't understand why would anyone NOT use jlink driver on windows
2016-12-30T12:47:06 < dongs> jlinkgdbserver works fine
2016-12-30T12:47:09 < dongs> for opensores debugging
2016-12-30T12:47:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: e.g. no thread awareness for certain RTOSes.
2016-12-30T12:47:47 < PaulFertser> dongs: also, no way to flash FPGAs, CPLDs.
2016-12-30T12:48:34 < PaulFertser> dongs: probably no support for Intel Quark with jlink gdb server.
2016-12-30T12:49:44 < PaulFertser> Not sure if jlinkgdbserver works properly with multiple targets on a single JTAG chain.
2016-12-30T12:49:58 < PaulFertser> And not sure how (if at all) it can deal with modern Cortex-A SoCs.
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2016-12-30T13:08:41 < stvn> ich bin der musikant mit taschenrechner in der hand
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2016-12-30T13:26:02 < bartekww> is there any callback on timers
2016-12-30T13:26:07 < bartekww> when timer is 0?
2016-12-30T13:27:39 < Fleck> one should read ref. manual bartekww! Ofc there is many things you can do with timers
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2016-12-30T13:31:45 < bartekww> Fleck: i'm using HAL
2016-12-30T13:31:51 < bartekww> so i don't need ref manual
2016-12-30T13:32:09 < Fleck> :D
2016-12-30T13:32:15 < Fleck> wrong bartekww!
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2016-12-30T13:33:40 < PaulFertser> LOL, bartekww, if you're using HAL that certainly means you need to read not only ref manual but also all the comments in HAL's header _and_ HAL's source code.
2016-12-30T13:34:20 < Fleck> +1 PaulFertser
2016-12-30T13:36:24 < bartekww> but i'm not using registers
2016-12-30T13:36:31 < bartekww> so rm is not necessary
2016-12-30T13:36:43 < bartekww> CubeMX generates code for me
2016-12-30T13:37:11 < Fleck> then don't ask :D
2016-12-30T13:40:36 < bartekww> i can't get working one pulse with OC
2016-12-30T13:40:46 < Fleck> also RM not just contains regs, but also explains how things work!
2016-12-30T13:40:55 < bartekww> i know how
2016-12-30T13:48:30 < Thorn> that cube thing sounds even more make:r friendly than arduino. the developer is completely redundant lol
2016-12-30T14:18:15 < jpa-> *completely retard
2016-12-30T14:18:33 < jpa-> PaulFertser: and the HAL documentation also :P
2016-12-30T14:19:32 < PaulFertser> jpa-: does it have a separate documentation, something that's not generated by Doxygen from the comments?
2016-12-30T14:19:59 < jpa-> dunno actually, probably it's just from doxygen
2016-12-30T14:20:26 < jpa-> but clearly it is nicer to browse it in a separate PDF file ;)
2016-12-30T14:21:04 < jpa-> http://www.st.com/resource/en/user_manual/dm00105879.pdf   seems more than doxygen
2016-12-30T14:23:51 < Thorn> there is a video course about HAL
2016-12-30T14:24:26 < Thorn> if you manage to register for ST's udemy channel
2016-12-30T14:24:35 < PaulFertser> What a mess!
2016-12-30T14:24:50 < Thorn> it's very basic but it seems to "explain" some design "decisions"
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2016-12-30T14:49:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/392Yvof.jpg do you think this is still hand flash despite some NC pins being in use?
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2016-12-30T17:13:57 < englishman> stvn's mistake is not quieting r2com and upgrdman too
2016-12-30T17:14:20 < englishman> anyone descending that far into an internet argument is dumb
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2016-12-30T19:33:14 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9P03vrZS_I
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2016-12-30T19:39:23 < dongs> wow, jlink ozone debugger is pretty nice
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2016-12-30T19:56:49 < Thorn> does it understand elf with dwarf?
2016-12-30T20:01:08 < dongs> I owuld imagine so
2016-12-30T20:01:19 < dongs> it has elf as one of the options as well as keil's axf (kinda elf)
2016-12-30T20:01:41 < dongs> it does sores debugging so it must get the info somewehre
2016-12-30T20:02:04 < dongs> With Ozone it is possible to debug any embedded application on C source and assembly level. Ozone can load applications built with any toolchain / IDE or debug the target's resident application without any source.
2016-12-30T20:02:20 < Thorn> what jlink clone do I buy
2016-12-30T20:10:18 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3248260/DHS-FBI-analysis-of-Russian-hackers.pdf
2016-12-30T20:24:32 < dongs> enabler
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2016-12-30T20:25:30 < Steffannn> Disabler.
2016-12-30T20:25:37 < Thorn> is f107 still relevant
2016-12-30T20:26:49 < englishman> depending on how much $ you can get it for vs f407 i guess
2016-12-30T20:32:00 < dongs> http://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/58242450http://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/58242450 haha
2016-12-30T20:32:05 < dongs> err http://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/58242450
2016-12-30T20:36:23 < englishman> In 1992, when the kernel Linux was freed and filled the last  gap
2016-12-30T20:36:23 < englishman> in  GNU, PCs had become more powerful. It was possible to run GNU
2016-12-30T20:36:23 < englishman> on desktop PCs using Linux as the kernel.
2016-12-30T20:43:58 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: lol, I've turned up the local radio and I hear discussion of that document.
2016-12-30T20:44:50 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: the document has no proof whatsoever that it's related to russia anyhow.
2016-12-30T20:45:20 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: also, democrats got fooled by fishing emails, really?.. Dumbarses.
2016-12-30T20:47:05 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: you getting +q ;)?
2016-12-30T20:47:15 < PaulFertser> It's technology.
2016-12-30T20:47:42 < PaulFertser> E.g. this document suggests to use /etc/shadow on UNIX systems instead of /etc/password for storing hashes!
2016-12-30T20:48:40 < gxti> it'll never catch on
2016-12-30T20:49:05 < englishman> DHS is the group that found out about stuxnet via Fox News
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2016-12-30T20:52:14 < BrainDamage> what's the summary since i can't be bothred to watch 30 min of nonsense when he could write it up in 2 sentences?
2016-12-30T20:52:43 < BrainDamage> how much did it made better or worse in % of energy available over a single cell?
2016-12-30T20:52:45 < dongs> summary: dave jobless is a retard
2016-12-30T20:53:05 < dongs> step
2016-12-30T20:53:08 < dongs> er.
2016-12-30T20:55:30 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: the cat doesn't seem to be too happy
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2016-12-30T20:58:03 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: great :)
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2016-12-30T21:24:53 < Thorn> so you can set SPI on F0 to any transfer size from 4 to 16 bits but SPI on F4 only supports 8 or 16 bits
2016-12-30T21:26:23 < Thorn> is there I2S
2016-12-30T21:27:20 < Thorn> I mean do SPI cores support I2S?
2016-12-30T21:27:49 < Thorn> it may be that SPI with I2S support can only do 8 or 16 bits
2016-12-30T21:30:57 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, wtf is a buttholeizer
2016-12-30T21:32:12 < upgrdman> :)
2016-12-30T21:51:20 < KolK> I have such comment about usb receive callback in stm libs: https://dpaste.de/REBP I understand, that I can do what I need in this function and it's not sth like IRQ handler which should be as small as it can.
2016-12-30T21:51:25 < KolK> Am I right?
2016-12-30T21:56:11 < Thorn> thankfully I haven't looked at ST USB drivers for a long time but generally unless you're polling usb for events in a loop it's going to be called from an ISR
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2016-12-30T21:59:19 < KolK> LeelooMinai, I have seen such examples. More interesting for me is running a bit more time consuming operation there.
2016-12-30T22:04:04 < Thorn> unless stuff like USBD_CDC_SetRxBuffer and USBD_CDC_ReceivePacket implements a blocking queue or semaphores or whatever
2016-12-30T22:05:08 < Thorn> (in which case it would be interesting to see how they make it work both with freertos and without)
2016-12-30T22:05:47 < Thorn> well if there's no rtos there is only one task
2016-12-30T22:06:04 < KolK> I started debugging session, I'll take a look on it
2016-12-30T22:07:34 < KolK> LeelooMinai, you are right
2016-12-30T22:08:19 < KolK> stm32 usb device lib has not coherent construction with rest of cube hal
2016-12-30T22:29:59 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYXlQbEhJd3JSXzA/view?usp=sharing is that diode that was inside BBQ thermometer?
2016-12-30T22:30:36 < Thorn> measure it
2016-12-30T22:30:45 < kakimir> good idea
2016-12-30T22:31:28 < kakimir> how come I didn't come up with that idea instead of just looking at it and wondering that it looks like a diode without black line to it
2016-12-30T22:31:39 < kakimir> I'm on the boat btw
2016-12-30T22:31:45 < XTL> No clear polarity marking. It wouldn't make any sense for it to be a diac?
2016-12-30T22:32:04 < kakimir> just to brag about it
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2016-12-30T22:32:33 < Thorn> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_nYCzb5mf0 ?
2016-12-30T22:32:41 < kakimir> I'm in messy dining room with wooden tables and chairs
2016-12-30T22:32:50 < kakimir> is that sfw?
2016-12-30T22:33:07 < Thorn> sfb
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2016-12-30T22:35:11 < kakimir> I'm not prob going to watch it
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2016-12-30T22:35:42 < kakimir> in case it was provocative
2016-12-30T22:36:29 < kakimir> but isn't there that lonely island song? "I'm on the boat"
2016-12-30T22:39:10 < KolK> I had some problems but now I see that it's called from IRQ Handler
2016-12-30T22:40:11 < KolK> so I cannot use anything complicated in this function
2016-12-30T22:59:52 < kakimir> is there safe string printing with printf?
2016-12-30T23:00:13 < kakimir> it will print and print until it hittens the NUL?
2016-12-30T23:00:44 < kakimir> eventually there will be a NUL
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2016-12-30T23:03:47 < kakimir> or SEGFAULT
2016-12-30T23:04:41 < qyx> and how should your safe printf look like?
2016-12-30T23:06:42 < kakimir> if you pass the container type wrong where you have length then you might be as well fucked
2016-12-30T23:07:03 < kakimir> but I don't recall last case I had pointer error
2016-12-30T23:07:58 < kakimir> typo or logic error or missing function
2016-12-30T23:08:09 < kakimir> not as function()
2016-12-30T23:10:31 < kakimir> or have proper checks in place
2016-12-30T23:10:48 < kakimir> if paranoid have in binary testing?
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2016-12-30T23:10:54 < kakimir> ?
2016-12-30T23:13:05 < qyx> thats not a rule
2016-12-30T23:13:09 < kakimir> I wonder if VS or so provides advanced facilities to such testing?
2016-12-30T23:14:45 < qyx> you can use asserts in production too, depends on your framework
2016-12-30T23:14:57 < qyx> eg. using design by contract
2016-12-30T23:15:06 < qyx> using "requires" and "provides" assertions
2016-12-30T23:15:59 < qyx> but then your checking code is larger than the actually useful code
2016-12-30T23:43:51 < zyp> the thing about asserts is that they are generally only there to trap errors and make you aware of them, which makes them useful for debugging but fairly useless in normal use
2016-12-30T23:49:03 < qyx> well, a least they are able to catch and log some race conditions
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2016-12-31T00:04:17 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaVVhdC16Mno1R1E/view?usp=sharing parameters_encode
2016-12-31T00:04:44 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWFpvWXQxV3hoQ00/view?usp=sharing parameters_decode
2016-12-31T00:05:12 < kakimir> I'm tired
2016-12-31T00:06:29 < kakimir> now I need to make all these things return characters writen
2016-12-31T00:06:35 < kakimir> or read
2016-12-31T00:06:43 < kakimir> shouldn't be hard
2016-12-31T00:09:25 < upgrdman> wuts a testiplattis
2016-12-31T00:09:35 < upgrdman> testicle platter?
2016-12-31T00:10:10 < kakimir> test platform
2016-12-31T00:10:16 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-31T00:10:40 < upgrdman> akunamatataa
2016-12-31T00:10:58 < upgrdman> it means no worries
2016-12-31T00:11:55 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_words#Finnish
2016-12-31T00:12:43 < kakimir> epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsäkäänköhän
2016-12-31T00:14:01 < kakimir> not a compound word that one
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2016-12-31T00:14:23 < upgrdman> so many oomlauts
2016-12-31T00:14:27 < englishman> ^ didnt fork over 5 buxks
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2016-12-31T00:39:51 < Fleck> sup?
2016-12-31T00:42:46 < Fleck> looks like my f7 lcd is diying :D one side is getting bright :(
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2016-12-31T00:55:03 < Fleck> black is becoming grey: http://imgur.com/a/5yf13
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2016-12-31T01:13:41 < Fleck> anyone had such problems with f7 ?
2016-12-31T01:15:34 < Fleck> yeah, guess so ;D
2016-12-31T01:31:20 < Fleck> wondering, should I buy new LCD or whole F746 Disco
2016-12-31T01:32:05 < Fleck> ~70$
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2016-12-31T02:38:09 < stvn> welcome Steffannn 
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2016-12-31T02:57:48 < stvn> 31/12/2016 1157
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2016-12-31T03:33:17 < dongs> sup, any stm32 news
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2016-12-31T03:38:15 < stvn> no we blocked the main contributors apparently
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2016-12-31T04:00:30 < stvn> ++
2016-12-31T04:06:27 < jadew> man... I suck at estimating project completion times
2016-12-31T04:06:51 < jadew> in fact my estimates are fairly accurate, it's just that I end up doing a lot of extra shit I didn't initially plan to do
2016-12-31T04:07:40 < jadew> I hope it's not * 10, cuz that would make it 5-6 years
2016-12-31T04:08:04 < jadew> it is
2016-12-31T04:08:10 < jadew> it's the one I quit my job for
2016-12-31T04:08:27 < jadew> which is why it's particularly stressful
2016-12-31T04:08:45 < jadew> I hope so
2016-12-31T04:09:00 < jadew> for now
2016-12-31T04:09:05 < jadew> not electronics related tho
2016-12-31T04:09:30 < jadew> I have other electronics related projects, that I thought I would do in parallel, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen
2016-12-31T04:10:34 < jadew> the fact that the ammount of work I have to put into this thing seems to increase constantly puts me under a lot of stress
2016-12-31T04:10:51 < jadew> to the point that I'm making bad coding decisions
2016-12-31T04:11:18 < jadew> I spent 2 days working on a problem just to realize last night that it can be done in a much simpler way (one hour of work)
2016-12-31T04:11:35 < jadew> heh
2016-12-31T04:11:56 < jadew> I can't afford to stay at home 5-6 years
2016-12-31T04:12:12 < jadew> well, I can, but I don't like to live on a budget
2016-12-31T04:13:03 < jadew> heh
2016-12-31T04:13:22 < jadew> I don't know how long would my wife support this lifestyle
2016-12-31T04:13:54 < jadew> and about the yak thing, I am like that, but I try to keep that to the minimum
2016-12-31T04:14:26 < jadew> in fact, the whole thing is built almost entirely on my own technology
2016-12-31T04:14:55 < jadew> I'm like the templeOS guy level of crazy, but I try to keep it a secret :)
2016-12-31T04:15:39 < jadew> haha
2016-12-31T04:16:18 < jadew> the good part about this is that I came up with a bunch of stuff that even if the project fails, I can probably still license them and make a buck or two off of them
2016-12-31T04:16:30 < jadew> but I'm not planning for failure!
2016-12-31T04:16:45 < jadew> I'm just afraid of it :P
2016-12-31T04:17:25 < dongs> jadew, are you autisming
2016-12-31T04:17:46 < jadew> talking to Leeloo if that's what you mean :)
2016-12-31T04:17:46 < stvn> alright, grub.
2016-12-31T04:18:11 < jadew> LeelooMinai, tried that, I suck at making videos
2016-12-31T04:18:15 < jadew> I'm too boring
2016-12-31T04:19:07 < jadew> I should discuss regular topics I discuss over the holidays - I manage to piss off my entire family so I think those kind of subjects would catch on
2016-12-31T04:19:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/eCKebg9.jpg huh
2016-12-31T04:19:46 < stvn> ok
2016-12-31T04:24:47 < jadew> nice
2016-12-31T04:25:18 < jadew> but it might be the kind of thing that the compiler optimizes out anyway
2016-12-31T04:27:22 < jadew> I might not understnad concepts that well yet, but I would expect it to behave like that already
2016-12-31T04:28:35 < dongs> the best stm32 compiler is keil
2016-12-31T04:28:48 < dongs> even if you write laurenceb code, it makes it better
2016-12-31T04:29:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> Does it make much difference?
2016-12-31T04:29:14 < dongs> yes
2016-12-31T04:30:29 < stvn> what's better, cocaine or heroin?
2016-12-31T04:31:05 < dongs> whats better? lunix on desktop
2016-12-31T04:36:48 < stvn> I'd rather die
2016-12-31T04:44:14 < stvn> cuntstomers mate
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2016-12-31T04:45:49 < stvn> cant a crt just pump in peace
2016-12-31T04:47:15 < dongs> you made emeb ragequit
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2016-12-31T04:50:59 < stvn> it was for the good of the american people
2016-12-31T04:52:11 < jadew> "If i had a shop selling batteries, i would offer free batterizers to my customers. 
2016-12-31T04:52:11 < jadew> This would help to sell even more batteries. 
2016-12-31T04:52:11 < jadew> (in other words: batterizers would work excellent for me!)"
2016-12-31T04:53:28 < Spirit532> yes
2016-12-31T04:53:36 < Spirit532> batteroo is a scam
2016-12-31T04:54:15 < jadew> you mean I can't get 800% efficiency?
2016-12-31T04:54:40 < stvn> depends on what part of the spectrum you're on mate
2016-12-31T04:54:49 < Spirit532> jadew, sure!
2016-12-31T04:54:51 < Spirit532> on sales ;^)
2016-12-31T04:55:37 < Spirit532> dave already made a full video crushing every single one of their claims
2016-12-31T04:56:01 < jadew> I watched the short version just now
2016-12-31T04:56:36 < jadew> batterkiller
2016-12-31T04:57:16 < Spirit532> batterator
2016-12-31T04:57:23 < Spirit532> kinda like terminator
2016-12-31T04:58:21 < Spirit532> yes
2016-12-31T04:58:30 < Spirit532> oil batteroo yer betteries.
2016-12-31T04:59:09 < Spirit532> that sounds more like a bOston accent
2016-12-31T04:59:09 < jadew> zano would have benefited from batteriser
2016-12-31T04:59:30 < stvn> if it wasn't for dave sucking his own cock over batterizer nobody would even know it existed.
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2016-12-31T05:41:24 < stvn> stfn
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2016-12-31T06:16:22 < englishman> hi stvn 
2016-12-31T06:16:34 < englishman> how is your keil mdk-arm v5 license doing
2016-12-31T06:16:59 < stvn> hi
2016-12-31T06:17:05 < stvn> it's still around
2016-12-31T06:17:16 < englishman> any opers out there to -q laurenceb
2016-12-31T06:17:30 < stvn> nah they're all having the annual stm32 operators party
2016-12-31T06:19:22 < stvn> Steffan might butt funnel a litre of beer
2016-12-31T06:19:45 < stvn> depends on how drunk they get right
2016-12-31T06:20:05 < englishman> beer funnel is pretty much an alcoholic's DMA, so this is ontopic
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2016-12-31T06:22:03 < stvn> is the tranny still raging cause i quieted him for 5 mins
2016-12-31T06:22:51 < dongs> only 5?
2016-12-31T06:23:39 < stvn> ah you know.... maybe a bit longer
2016-12-31T06:24:47 < englishman> what are your new years stm32 resolutions
2016-12-31T06:25:06 < stvn> tell customers to go fix their own shit
2016-12-31T06:25:19 < englishman> ah yes cut out the middleman
2016-12-31T06:25:23 < stvn> lol
2016-12-31T06:25:35 < stvn> even $200/hr is not deterring some
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2016-12-31T06:56:04 < stvn> soldering potentiometers
2016-12-31T06:56:25 < stvn> looking forward to snorting so much cocaine i bridge my nostrils
2016-12-31T06:56:31 < stvn> nice
2016-12-31T06:56:36 < stvn> what are cap arrays for?
2016-12-31T06:56:41 < englishman> have they already knocked you down to technician
2016-12-31T06:56:59 < stvn> i thought R2 was RF genie
2016-12-31T06:57:26 < englishman> mhm
2016-12-31T06:57:56 < englishman> i think you have me confused with a different canadian
2016-12-31T06:58:22 < englishman> like fat knowitall americans
2016-12-31T06:58:37 < emeb_mac> R2COM is on ##stm32 too
2016-12-31T06:58:42 < englishman> R2dumb we were just discussing our stm32 new years resolutions
2016-12-31T06:59:56 < englishman> that is not stm32 related and therefore offtopic
2016-12-31T07:00:27 < stvn> yeah i want to play with my stm32s again
2016-12-31T07:02:17 < stvn> is herpes a good std?
2016-12-31T07:07:02 < dongs> R2COM: http://i.imgur.com/eCKebg9.jpg wtf is with this thing
2016-12-31T07:07:28 < zyp> haha, cute
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2016-12-31T07:08:04 < Spirit532> dongs, MEMS accelerometer?
2016-12-31T07:08:09 < dongs> no
2016-12-31T07:08:09 < Spirit532> or capacitors...
2016-12-31T07:08:10 < Spirit532> no idea
2016-12-31T07:08:16 < dongs> its 48tsop
2016-12-31T07:08:18 < zyp> is that a flash chip?
2016-12-31T07:08:34 < dongs> yeah, nand but i never seen one that looks so fucked up
2016-12-31T07:08:42 < dongs> so much metal that nothing else shows through
2016-12-31T07:08:44 < zyp> looks like die has all the connection pads on one side, probably to stack dies or something
2016-12-31T07:08:47 < dongs> and not wirebonded but wahtever the shit
2016-12-31T07:10:59 < zyp> no? I would have guessed it's wirebonded where it seems to be a horizontal line across everything
2016-12-31T07:11:20 < dongs> horizontal line?
2016-12-31T07:11:51 < dongs> that pic is the entier package
2016-12-31T07:11:58 < dongs> outer shits = actual external leads
2016-12-31T07:12:05 < zyp> dongs, of course
2016-12-31T07:12:29 < dongs> http://pbx.mine.nu/random/haxray.jpg
2016-12-31T07:12:38 < dongs> this is what i expect wirebonded nand to look like
2016-12-31T07:13:34 < zyp> http://www.techinsights.com/uploadedImages/Public_Website/Content_-_Primary/Investigative_Analysis/2011/Samsung_20-nm_NAND_Flash/samsung-20nm-flash-die.jpg <- this seems to have all bond pads along bottom edge only
2016-12-31T07:13:47 < dongs> hmmm
2016-12-31T07:14:32 < zyp> you're probably just not seeing the bond wires because the lead frame gets in the way
2016-12-31T07:14:45 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-31T07:15:39 < dongs> thing is
2016-12-31T07:15:47 < dongs> that pic is connecting shit to where nand has 'NC' pins
2016-12-31T07:16:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/wh8KbTN.jpg the footprint mostly matches standard nand but some stuff is weird
2016-12-31T07:16:53 < zyp> factory test pins?
2016-12-31T07:17:02 < dongs> wired on pcb as well
2016-12-31T07:17:08 < zyp> oh, ok
2016-12-31T07:17:23 < dongs> like 34/35/39
2016-12-31T07:17:33 < zyp> oh, that's the pcb it came off?
2016-12-31T07:17:36 < dongs> yes
2016-12-31T07:19:20 < zyp> dongs, I assume they removed part number on the chip?
2016-12-31T07:19:34 < dongs> NC on left side, DNU (do not use?), NC on right side are all connected to somewehre
2016-12-31T07:19:39 < dongs> zyp: its some sandisk branded thing
2016-12-31T07:19:40 < dongs> has no part#
2016-12-31T07:19:50 < dongs> i mean has some inernal sandisk shit but that wont help anyhting
2016-12-31T07:21:13 < zyp> anything that should be hooked up that's not?
2016-12-31T07:21:38 < dongs> no, its all OK for either x8 or x16 i guess
2016-12-31T07:21:46 < dongs> if you disregard NC stuff
2016-12-31T07:22:06 < zyp> so it got more pins than necessary
2016-12-31T07:22:11 < zyp> or more signals rather
2016-12-31T07:22:13 < dongs> yeah
2016-12-31T07:22:36 < zyp> maybe some bonus features or whatever
2016-12-31T07:23:12 < zyp> what's your goal?
2016-12-31T07:23:19 < zyp> dump it or replace it?
2016-12-31T07:23:33 < dongs> replace
2016-12-31T07:23:35 < dongs> its dead
2016-12-31T07:23:52 < dongs> dump probably not a bad idea either, i gota find myt waveshare board i made for reading nand socket
2016-12-31T07:24:01 < dongs> or spend $150 or something on a chinese thing that does it
2016-12-31T07:24:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> My ##stm32 new years resolution is to finish the joystick, and to start on the OBD2
2016-12-31T07:24:26 < stvn> i need to get off the smack
2016-12-31T07:25:11 < zyp> well, idk, I don't have experience with that shit, so I've obviously not seen anything like it :p
2016-12-31T07:25:53 < dongs> the few hits on the internet for that part# say it should be a x16 nand
2016-12-31T07:28:56 < dongs> no im autisming the fuck around
2016-12-31T07:29:23 < stvn> don't do too much you'll end up like me
2016-12-31T07:30:13 < stvn> are you drunk?
2016-12-31T07:32:46 < stvn> nothing
2016-12-31T07:32:57 < stvn> still haven't decided if i am going to
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2016-12-31T08:03:43 < ohsix> bup
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2016-12-31T08:04:40 < ohsix> englishman: i don' tthink this shit even makes it to argument, just a bunch of tits making noise
2016-12-31T08:05:11 < ohsix> i've not had a real argument in my whole life, the other person was just dumb
2016-12-31T08:06:09 < ohsix> started doing more junk on project, relocated power button so panel that makes a lot of noise doesn't need connected
2016-12-31T08:06:33 < ohsix> but now i don't know how it is on, found the pin just for the LED but it's a serial protocol to turn it on and off lul, that's all i got to do today
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2016-12-31T08:58:59 < dongs> haha
2016-12-31T08:59:04 < dongs> clive also posts on keil forums
2016-12-31T08:59:18 < dongs> found him in a thread full of indians being confused
2016-12-31T08:59:20 < dongs> delivering RESULTS
2016-12-31T09:00:16 < dongs> "What library did you use? I can't find none of these functions."
2016-12-31T09:00:16 < dongs> I thought Google was available almost world-wide.
2016-12-31T09:00:17 < dongs> ahaha
2016-12-31T09:03:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/lggpQpG.jpg haha china
2016-12-31T09:10:05 < dongs> attn LeelooMinai http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Anime-Eyes
2016-12-31T09:10:56 < dongs> last step http://pad1.whstatic.com/images/thumb/c/ca/Get-Anime-Eyes-Step-14.jpg/aid320545-728px-Get-Anime-Eyes-Step-14.jpg.webp
2016-12-31T09:17:45 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/OUBc2rz.jpg
2016-12-31T09:18:06 < dongs> is that inside batterizer (tm) sleeve
2016-12-31T09:18:41 < englishman> whats batterizer
2016-12-31T09:18:43 < englishman> some dickstarter
2016-12-31T09:18:53 < dongs> dave jobless current hot topic
2016-12-31T09:19:37 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1034557537/revbottle-pro-bottle-flipping
2016-12-31T09:20:14 < englishman> google search for batterizer returns batteroo on indiegogo
2016-12-31T09:20:20 < dongs> thats the one
2016-12-31T09:20:33 < dongs> what the fuck is the bottle flipping shit
2016-12-31T09:21:06 < englishman> a pro bottle for competition bottle flipping
2016-12-31T09:21:18 < dongs> uhh okay
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2016-12-31T09:22:39 < englishman> how much energy is left in alkalines after 1.2v or whatever
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2016-12-31T09:43:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/kEIRkWo.jpg
2016-12-31T09:44:32 < zyp> heh
2016-12-31T09:46:51 < dongs> zyp, innovating?
2016-12-31T09:47:20 < zyp> not tonight
2016-12-31T09:47:52 < dongs> oh right, i ts 31st or someshit
2016-12-31T09:48:17 < zyp> I'm behind jp, not ahead of
2016-12-31T09:48:34 < zyp> I've just been fucking off and doing other shit the past few days
2016-12-31T09:51:26 < dongs> holy fuck
2016-12-31T09:51:35 < dongs> this ancient atom box i loaded with win7
2016-12-31T09:51:43 < dongs> RTC on it lost like 30 minutes in one day
2016-12-31T09:51:44 < dongs> WTF
2016-12-31T09:52:08 < zyp> haha
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2016-12-31T09:54:52 < dongs> the problem is i intend to uyse it for capping tv...
2016-12-31T09:55:16 < dongs> how the fuck do you even manage to lose time like this
2016-12-31T09:56:00 < zyp> 30 minutes in a day is like 2% off
2016-12-31T09:56:29 < zyp> but anyway, doesn't ntp handle that?
2016-12-31T09:56:38 < dongs> what ntp?
2016-12-31T09:56:43 < dongs> i'd have to sync it every minute or somethign
2016-12-31T09:57:40 < zyp> idk about windows, but on linux ntpd will calibrate the clock so it counts right
2016-12-31T09:58:05 < dongs> meaning? ther'esd somer kinda offset shit thatit dynamically adjusts/
2016-12-31T09:58:14 < zyp> yeah
2016-12-31T09:58:25 < zyp> so it'll count faster or slower if it's drifting
2016-12-31T09:58:40 < zyp> avoids doing huge correction steps too
2016-12-31T09:59:02 < dongs> i dont evne know how often windows syncs with the ntp thing in adjust date/time
2016-12-31T09:59:16 < dongs> anyway, i opened rdp and it was showing 4:20 when it was 4:53 or osmething
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2016-12-31T10:07:17 < Kliment> Just back from 33c3
2016-12-31T10:07:31 < Kliment> Taught 139 people basic SMD assembly
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2016-12-31T10:31:16 < upgrdman> where was 33c3, and does it change locations yearly?
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2016-12-31T10:32:24 < dongs> always  germany
2016-12-31T10:32:27 < dongs> shitplace
2016-12-31T10:40:20 < dongs> or wait for jewray in feb
2016-12-31T10:40:25 < dongs> er, disregard that
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2016-12-31T10:58:53  * karlp will watch ccc videos later.  not cool enough to actuall go.  
2016-12-31T11:01:09 < jpa-> does it make sense to separately commit regression test first and only after that commit the actual bug fix? it means i'll have one revision where the tests won't run, but not sure if that will ever matter
2016-12-31T11:01:33 < jpa-> (s/won't run/won't all pass/)
2016-12-31T11:09:35 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/a8ff630e2e6a48eda2360a7fcd618232?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=dcae6b13873d9620fd5c7c14e45ad372
2016-12-31T11:13:18 < dongs> oldie
2016-12-31T11:14:37 < zyp> haha
2016-12-31T11:16:40 < upgrdman> nice case  http://i.imgur.com/VMtJqjM.jpg
2016-12-31T11:18:12 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktHCqeFdGD0
2016-12-31T11:20:18 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/gallery/ZC4Dpdg
2016-12-31T11:29:17 < PaulFertser> Kliment: did that involve working with stencils for manually assembling small batches?
2016-12-31T11:29:41 < PaulFertser> Or some "smd paste in a syringe" hacks?
2016-12-31T11:40:08 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Stencils
2016-12-31T11:40:37 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Though i showed a couple of people the syringe method 
2016-12-31T11:41:03 < Kliment> upgrdman: It will change location next year
2016-12-31T11:41:31 < Kliment> upgrdman: it started in hamburg, then moved to berlin, then moved to hamburg again, but now the conference venue in hamburg is shutting down for reconstruction
2016-12-31T11:41:54 < Kliment> off to buy food before shops close
2016-12-31T11:42:28 < upgrdman> k
2016-12-31T12:02:17 < ohsix> Laurenceb: http://dsp-book.narod.ru/MISH/CH74.PDF book(s) this is from is cool too, on library genesis
2016-12-31T12:02:58 < ohsix> dat bibliography
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2016-12-31T14:20:15 < BrainDamage> found kakmir https://i.imgur.com/QLzB4uF.mp4
2016-12-31T14:36:09 < jpa-> could you please lose him again?
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2016-12-31T15:57:54 < Kliment> pretty neat decapping/delayering https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8127-how_do_i_crack_satellite_and_cable_pay_tv
2016-12-31T15:59:53 < dongs> sounds like piracy
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2016-12-31T16:13:59 < Kliment> Decapping to extract rom, glitching to get code into random ram location, rop to get it to execute
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2016-12-31T17:01:05 < Thorn> happy new year dongs
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2016-12-31T19:32:15 < Spirit532> yay, fuck yeah
2016-12-31T19:32:20 < Spirit532> my camera shipped
2016-12-31T19:32:26 < Spirit532> I'll hate myself for spending $450 on it
2016-12-31T19:32:35 < Spirit532> but I wanted one for so long, and it's a $1500 camera almost brand new
2016-12-31T19:32:40 < Spirit532> (new no box)
2016-12-31T19:32:59 < Spirit532> that, and it shoots FHD @ 180fps
2016-12-31T19:33:01 < Spirit532> raw
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2016-12-31T19:37:56 < Steffannn> One can spend $ in belarus?
2016-12-31T19:39:29 < Thorn> I spent $93 on porn :X
2016-12-31T19:39:42 < Thorn> could've bought at least 2 dev boards 
2016-12-31T19:44:20 < Thorn> http://coub.com/view/63rr
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2016-12-31T20:18:51 < Steffannn> Lolwut Thorn?
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2016-12-31T20:26:24 < Thorn> you want details?
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2016-12-31T20:52:33 < Rob235> can you just get a mali gpu 
2016-12-31T20:53:06 < jpa-> with 2MB on-chip ram? probably not
2016-12-31T20:53:27 < Rob235> can you just get a mali gpu 
2016-12-31T20:59:09 < zyp> java is so fucking obnoxious
2016-12-31T21:09:10 < jadew> zyp, isn't it?
2016-12-31T21:09:19 < jadew> do they have operator overloading yet?
2016-12-31T21:09:38 < zyp> so anyway, I installed java in a VM and now I'm running this cubemx shit
2016-12-31T21:09:54 < jadew> ah, I thought you were writing some code in java
2016-12-31T21:10:06 < zyp> not now
2016-12-31T21:10:22 < zyp> just running java shit is annoying
2016-12-31T21:10:36 < jpa-> zyp: it's a good idea to use cubemx to generate all your codes, so that you don't need the reference manual
2016-12-31T21:10:48 < jadew> I had to learn java to write some mobile apps a while ago and aside from the override and final keywords I wasn't impressed with anything else (C++ didn't have them back then)
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2016-12-31T21:12:34 < Spirit532> Steffannn, eBay :)
2016-12-31T21:12:50 < zyp> so anyway, I thought this cube thing was going to let me tell it what kind of peripherals I needed and it would sort out a config for me
2016-12-31T21:13:12 < jadew> well, it kind of does, that's what I use it for
2016-12-31T21:13:36 < zyp> but so far it looks like I have to select what exactly I want to use and it can only check for conflicts
2016-12-31T21:13:51 < jadew> what else do you want?
2016-12-31T21:14:22 < zyp> from what people have been saying about it, I figured it had some kind of solver
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2016-12-31T21:17:03 < zyp> right now it's telling me that I've got 14 timers, I know that I need a timer with three channels, and a couple of timers with one channels each
2016-12-31T21:17:17 < zyp> but it looks like I have to select which times to use myself
2016-12-31T21:18:28 < englishman> yeah, you still have to use that
2016-12-31T21:18:32 < englishman> and it can init periphs for you
2016-12-31T21:18:40 < englishman> you set their init values in another tab
2016-12-31T21:19:02 < zyp> I don't give a fuck about periph init, I'm not gonna run cube code on my chip
2016-12-31T21:19:10 < englishman> you can also choose to not have it init periphs for you, then it just generates the periph struct handle
2016-12-31T21:19:31 < zyp> I mean, I don't give a fuck about code generation at all, it's not compatible with my lib :p
2016-12-31T21:19:44 < englishman> yeah, i think what you're asking is a bit much
2016-12-31T21:19:49 < zyp> but people have been going on about how this is still useful for pin planning
2016-12-31T21:19:53 < fenugrec> heh, cube, making RMs obsolete since 201x
2016-12-31T21:19:56 < englishman> if you want something where you enter the timer requirements and it spits out some timer selections
2016-12-31T21:20:01 < zyp> so I thought I'd give it a try
2016-12-31T21:21:02 < englishman> >I thought this cube thing was going to let me tell it what kind of peripherals I needed
2016-12-31T21:21:20 < englishman> tbh i dont know of any mcu software that does that
2016-12-31T21:22:27 < zyp> me neither, but that's how I've interpreted the claims about cubemx
2016-12-31T21:24:07 < englishman> ah
2016-12-31T21:24:23 < englishman> yes it's much more basic than that, but does help a lot in pin and clock planning
2016-12-31T21:24:43 < englishman> if you are doing more complicated stuff ie triggering one timer off of another, it also doesnt display any of that to you
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2016-12-31T21:37:38 < zyp> oh, it has some solving capability
2016-12-31T21:38:24 < zyp> you have to select specific peripherals, but if they are available on multiple pins they get moved around until they fit somewhere
2016-12-31T21:39:09 < zyp> not super helpful though
2016-12-31T21:39:10 < Thorn> you can ctrl+click on a pin to display alternatives
2016-12-31T21:39:51 < Thorn> and pin a pin (sic) so that it can't be moved anymore
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2016-12-31T22:12:56 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/GRlFFERS/status/808042779066634240
2016-12-31T22:13:19 < ohsix> no wonder costume deposits are so huge
2016-12-31T22:40:47 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I've looked at it a couple fo times but never truly tried getting anything useful out of it
2016-12-31T22:42:28 < aandrew> zyp: cubemx makes it a lot easier to see what is available for a given periph to know whetehr that one (e.g. a timer with 3 channels) is suitable 
2016-12-31T22:49:20 < ReadErr> ohsix: 
2016-12-31T22:49:44 < ReadErr> https://twitter.com/veronicaevalion/status/815280916130107397?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
2016-12-31T22:49:50 < ReadErr> gon be good
2016-12-31T22:50:03 < ReadErr> tune in 
2016-12-31T23:11:00 < Thorn> happy new year to me
2016-12-31T23:12:15 < Steffanx> Happy new year to you.
2016-12-31T23:13:40 < Thorn> you're in for a surprise
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2016-12-31T23:31:36 < ReadErr> https://mobile.twitter.com/GRlFFERS/status/808042779066634240
2016-12-31T23:39:26 < aandrew> do TX and RX lines on RMII need to be length-matched? it's only 50MHz
2016-12-31T23:41:47 < aandrew> yeah I know that as a general question yes the must me matched
2016-12-31T23:41:57 < aandrew> but I think it's something ridiculous like a dozen cm or whatever
2016-12-31T23:44:01 < aandrew> hahahaha
2016-12-31T23:44:10 < aandrew> that's ... impressive
2016-12-31T23:44:15 < aandrew> 50cm? I'm not sure if I can hit that
2016-12-31T23:44:22 < Steffanx> Some yankee thought.. let's use metric? So write down everything in meters.
2016-12-31T23:44:25 < Steffanx> 5cm..
2016-12-31T23:44:48 < aandrew> er yes
2016-12-31T23:44:52 < aandrew> too much coffee
2016-12-31T23:45:24 < aandrew> it is
2016-12-31T23:46:48 < aandrew> sigh
2016-12-31T23:47:18 < aandrew> stm32 PHY connections are on two opposite sides of the chip. PHY itself has tx/rx backward with relation ot how the magnetics are
2016-12-31T23:47:35 < aandrew> it could flow so nicely but because of the pinning, it can't
2016-12-31T23:47:45 < englishman> "thanks, st" is the "thanks, obama" of 2017
2016-12-31T23:47:56 < aandrew> ?
2016-12-31T23:47:57 < aandrew> oh
2016-12-31T23:47:58 < aandrew> yes
2016-12-31T23:48:00 < aandrew> STMicro
2016-12-31T23:48:01 < englishman> yes
2016-12-31T23:48:03 < aandrew> I'm thinking who's ST
2016-12-31T23:48:37 < Steffanx> Don't be hastyt, it's still 2016.
2016-12-31T23:48:40 < Steffanx> -t
2016-12-31T23:49:38 < Steffanx> Im not sure where that joke comes from, but .. whatever :P
2016-12-31T23:50:06 < englishman> my car wont start
2016-12-31T23:50:08 < englishman> thanks, STM
2016-12-31T23:50:34 < englishman> dma2 usage causes data corruption across entire APB bus
2016-12-31T23:50:37 < englishman> thanks, STM
2016-12-31T23:50:48 < englishman> my cat died of leukemia
2016-12-31T23:50:50 < englishman> thanks, STM
2016-12-31T23:50:50 < zyp> aandrew, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Q8moB.png <- here's how I routed it last I did ethernet with stm32
2016-12-31T23:51:11 < Steffanx> englishman, didn't read the errata before he started to design his stuff: Thanks, STM?
2016-12-31T23:51:22 < englishman> actually the errata may be incomplete
2016-12-31T23:51:27 < englishman> but i emailed st about that one
2016-12-31T23:51:43 < englishman> response coming in 12-36 months
2016-12-31T23:51:51 < Steffanx> Better ask Clive1
2016-12-31T23:55:14 < zyp> well, that's gigabit
2016-12-31T23:56:08 < zyp> I did gigabit on some shit at work earlier this year, but I don't have any pics of that
2016-12-31T23:56:53 < zyp> and that was a 6L board, so it was not so hard to route :p
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