--- Log opened Sun Jan 01 00:00:25 2017
2017-01-01T00:00:56 < aandrew> zyp: oh, beside the RJ45, that's not a bad idea
2017-01-01T00:01:07 < aandrew> your jack has built in magnetics though from the look of it
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2017-01-01T00:01:39 < aandrew> your tx set and rx set are not matched either
2017-01-01T00:01:45 < aandrew> (not saying it's bad, just making an observation)
2017-01-01T00:02:12 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: heh, nice board
2017-01-01T00:04:04 < zyp> aandrew, not matched to what spec? :)
2017-01-01T00:05:17 < zyp> longest RMII trace is 30.78mm, shortest RMII trace is 7.78mm, so they're matched to within 23mm
2017-01-01T00:05:46 < zyp> the groups are matched even closer, but that's kinda irrelevant, because RMII only got a global refclk, no separate tx/rx clks
2017-01-01T00:06:23 < jadew> the new year cought me programming
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2017-01-01T00:07:04 < Steffanx> No wife and/or kids that force you to "celebrate" with the family ( and fireworks etc. ) jadew?
2017-01-01T00:07:23 < jadew> Steffanx, the wife gave me a pass this year
2017-01-01T00:07:27 < Steffanx> hah
2017-01-01T00:07:30 < jadew> and my son was about to go to sleep :D
2017-01-01T00:10:02 < jadew> I stopped playing with fireworks when one blew up in the street and sent a little stone flying, which hit me under my eye
2017-01-01T00:10:10 < jadew> I was inside a store
2017-01-01T00:11:37 < jadew> if you're prepared it's all fine tho
2017-01-01T00:11:43 < jadew> for example, if you have protective glasses
2017-01-01T00:11:50 < jadew> (or any kind of glasses for that matter
2017-01-01T00:11:57 < jadew> )
2017-01-01T00:12:34 < jadew> haha
2017-01-01T00:13:50 < jadew> yeah, but that's harder to do if you're not stupid
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2017-01-01T00:14:28 < aandrew> isn't ther ea way in cube to say "what pins can $feature map to?"
2017-01-01T00:14:34 < aandrew> I thought if you held ctrl or something it would pop them up
2017-01-01T00:15:38 < aandrew> no
2017-01-01T00:15:42 < aandrew> that's all the features that pin can have
2017-01-01T00:15:51 < englishman> first assign the periog
2017-01-01T00:15:53 < englishman> perioh
2017-01-01T00:15:54 < englishman> fuck
2017-01-01T00:15:56 < englishman> periph
2017-01-01T00:16:04 < englishman> then crrl+click on the periph's pin
2017-01-01T00:16:06 < englishman> itl show others
2017-01-01T00:16:10 < aandrew> hm
2017-01-01T00:16:48 < aandrew> not seeing it
2017-01-01T00:16:57 < aandrew> ah
2017-01-01T00:17:01 < aandrew> the periph had no alternates
2017-01-01T00:17:04 < englishman> :)
2017-01-01T00:17:08 < englishman> thanks, stm!!
2017-01-01T00:17:52 < englishman> hmm neat you can eeven drag and drop pins while holding control
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2017-01-01T00:31:34 < aandrew> I *hate* the NXP pin planner. they're trying to move everything online
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2017-01-01T01:05:25 < Fleck> happy new year! :)
2017-01-01T01:13:03 < Steffanx> Same to you.
2017-01-01T01:13:13 < Fleck> thanks ;)
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2017-01-01T01:37:44 < aandrew> hm
2017-01-01T01:38:06 < aandrew> in alitum, I can do impedance based width routing for regular nets but not under "differnetial pairs routing" ??
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2017-01-01T01:42:44  * aandrew boggles
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2017-01-01T01:43:07 < aandrew> I can do single-ended impedance controlled routing and I can enforce diff pair separation, but not diff pair impedance 
2017-01-01T01:45:27 < aandrew> yes
2017-01-01T01:45:33 < aandrew> you can tweak the formula too with the stackup manager
2017-01-01T01:49:20 < zyp> but really, what more do you need?
2017-01-01T01:49:40 < aandrew> no I know it's just a calculation based on the stackup
2017-01-01T01:49:51 < aandrew> just figured I'd try to get it to do it automatically than caluclate it as I usually do
2017-01-01T01:51:18 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-01-01T01:51:50 < aandrew> "it looks like you're trying route 500MHz signals on a 2 layer board without planes. Would you like me to schedule a psych appointment for you?"
2017-01-01T01:51:55 < aandrew> clippy
2017-01-01T02:00:56 < zyp> hrm, designing boards to a fixed size is kinda annoying
2017-01-01T02:01:16 < zyp> either you end up feeling that you're wasting a ton of area, or you have a hard time getting everything to fit
2017-01-01T02:03:40 < aandrew> yep that's exactly how I tend to route
2017-01-01T02:04:18 < zyp> same, but then it turns into tetris in the end, trying to make the last groups fit in the remaining gaps
2017-01-01T02:05:23 < aandrew> yes, altium, I really did want you to spend 30 seconds and 5GB loading up help because you hotkey'd 'h' to help when really I just wanted 'g' for grid
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2017-01-01T02:07:58 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/bfLzf.png <- looks like this so far, and then there will be another couple of SO8s, another LDO, supercap, bunch of passives, etc…
2017-01-01T02:08:23  * aandrew slaps the tag-connect out of zyp's grubby hands
2017-01-01T02:08:29 < zyp> haha
2017-01-01T02:08:33 < aandrew> don't eat that johnny, that's poop
2017-01-01T02:08:54 < zyp> bullshit, tag connect is good shit
2017-01-01T02:09:03 < aandrew> bullshit
2017-01-01T02:09:19 < aandrew> it's expensive and proprietary and since you're smart and put the holes for the retaining clip, it's no smaller than anything else
2017-01-01T02:09:38 < zyp> what retaining clip? I'm using -NL of course
2017-01-01T02:09:52 < englishman> looks cool zyp, except for the noob-connect
2017-01-01T02:10:00 < englishman> happy new year ##stm32ers
2017-01-01T02:11:14 < zyp> and given that I've already flashed over half a thousand boards through my tag-connect cable, I'm pretty sure I've made back the cost of the cable several times over
2017-01-01T02:12:23 < englishman> those douches never sent me one when I made a footprint for an eda package
2017-01-01T02:12:30 < zyp> haha
2017-01-01T02:12:46 < aandrew> dammit
2017-01-01T02:12:50 < aandrew> I keep hitting ^s instead of S
2017-01-01T02:14:41 < Rob235> is circuitmaker any good? what would you recommend for someone who wants to get into pcb design
2017-01-01T02:14:58 < englishman> diptrace
2017-01-01T02:15:17 < zyp> one of my friends tried circuitmaker, made a couple of simple boards
2017-01-01T02:15:36 < zyp> then he got tired of the online saving shit and pirated altium designer instead
2017-01-01T02:15:43 < Rob235> heh
2017-01-01T02:16:01 < zyp> ribbon ui also looked like shit
2017-01-01T02:16:10 < zyp> but apart from that it doesn't seem bad
2017-01-01T02:16:28 < Steffanx> Could but circuit studio instead for 1k
2017-01-01T02:16:31 < Steffanx> Buy
2017-01-01T02:16:50 < Rob235> thats for the future.. free is good right now
2017-01-01T02:16:53 < zyp> isn't circuitstudio the same ribbon shit, just without online saving restrictions?
2017-01-01T02:17:00 < Steffanx> I believe so
2017-01-01T02:17:08 < Rob235> o
2017-01-01T02:17:11 < Rob235> wow
2017-01-01T02:17:39 < zyp> circuitmaker is probably decent
2017-01-01T02:18:04 < zyp> and pirated altium is probably not a bad option either
2017-01-01T02:18:27 < zyp> idk, worked for my friend at least
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2017-01-01T02:18:49 < zyp> dunno about learning curve
2017-01-01T02:19:25 < Rob235> I'll put youtube videos on a playlist while I sleep and and be a pro by morning
2017-01-01T02:25:45 < aandrew> altium is actually really easy to learn
2017-01-01T02:26:09 < Rob235> whats the diff between altium and circuitmaker? less tools and stuff?
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2017-01-01T02:29:33 < zyp> ribbon ui
2017-01-01T02:37:15 < Rob235> any big jumps from 16 to 17? :P
2017-01-01T02:40:07 < aandrew> I'm sitll on 16 only because I don't want to upgrad ein the middle of a layout
2017-01-01T02:42:59 < Rob235> 17 hmmm let me test out this trial..
2017-01-01T02:43:29 < Steffanx> i believe mr d even downgraded back to 16..
2017-01-01T02:43:44 < Rob235> what why, why is everything so goddamn difficult
2017-01-01T02:43:45 < Rob235> haha
2017-01-01T02:43:56 < Rob235> maybe he just doesn't like change :P
2017-01-01T02:44:04 < Steffanx> bugs.
2017-01-01T02:44:32 < Rob235> maybe they are fixed in 17.0.7
2017-01-01T02:45:39 < Rob235> anyway, I'm gonna do some research, talk to you guys later
2017-01-01T02:50:32 < Steffanx> Still 4 hours to go..
2017-01-01T02:54:51 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I didn't think you had a drinking problem
2017-01-01T02:54:52 < aandrew> heh
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2017-01-01T03:00:41 < Rob235> how do I learn about ground planes and stuff like that? is there a name for that stuff that I can look up :P should I just look up specific tutorials and I'll learn that stuff as I go?
2017-01-01T03:02:00 < Rob235> ok
2017-01-01T03:02:39 < Rob235> where do I go to get that knowledge? :)
2017-01-01T03:02:58 < Rob235> I see
2017-01-01T03:03:12 < Rob235> alright, I'll just keep reading and come to my own conclusion eventually
2017-01-01T03:05:50 < Rob235> right
2017-01-01T03:05:56 < aandrew> the general recommendation these days is to physically separate analog or sensitive and digital/high power but use a single common ground plane
2017-01-01T03:06:04 < aandrew> the return currents will naturally keep to themselves
2017-01-01T03:06:37 < aandrew> if you want to be anal though you can separate them but make DAMN sure you don't have a signal cross a slot or "hole" in the ground underneath 
2017-01-01T03:07:13 < aandrew> and if you need to do that, you use stitch capacitors and/or stitch vias to help smooth out the discontinuity and provide a local path for the return current
2017-01-01T03:07:36 < aandrew> those three statements are pretty much all you need to know about grounding :-)
2017-01-01T03:10:06 < aandrew> right, good DC ground is fine for low speed, but you must also be mindful of good AC grounds for anything above a few MHz. However a solid plane underneath pretty much achieves both objectives, and physically separating noisy circuitry from sensitive circuitry and making sure the noisy stuff isn't being powered "after" the sensitive stuff helps a lot
2017-01-01T03:10:32 < aandrew> one thing I dislike about altium is that it's very diffiuclt to cheat with the inner planes
2017-01-01T03:10:53 < zyp> ground planes matter more for EMI than for functionality, so it's not super important to get it right unless you're going to have your product EMI tested
2017-01-01T03:11:03 < aandrew> I guess you can declare them signal layers and draw big polygons but in Eagle it was nice to drop to a power plane to route That One Fucking Trace That Just Won't Fit<tm>
2017-01-01T03:11:23 < zyp> aandrew, yeah, I always just use signal layers for planes
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2017-01-01T03:11:27 < aandrew> yeah... I never tried to optimize bypass capacitors
2017-01-01T03:11:31 < zyp> the plane layer functionality is retarded
2017-01-01T03:11:58 < zyp> in altium
2017-01-01T03:12:27 < aandrew> I plop down a 100nF for every power pin of an IC, make sure I have some bulk capacitance every few ICs... if routing a net for a PLL or high frequency power net I'll throw down a 10nf and even 1nF
2017-01-01T03:12:54 < aandrew> I also use RF beads to isolate things. CLC or CCLCC gives a nice "demarcation" as well 
2017-01-01T03:13:09 < aandrew> and then in routing when I am just flat out of space I'll only then start removing decoupling caps
2017-01-01T03:13:15 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I said plane layer, not polygon
2017-01-01T03:13:26 < aandrew> like under this STM32... I do NOT need like 16 caps all together under the IC. I'll end up removing a few of the 100nF ones
2017-01-01T03:13:35 < zyp> altiums polygon stuff is fine
2017-01-01T03:13:38 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I tent all vias by default
2017-01-01T03:13:43 < zyp> me too
2017-01-01T03:13:44 < aandrew> then un-tent the ones I want as test points
2017-01-01T03:14:51 < zyp> LeelooMinai, what aandrew said, putting anything else on them is painful
2017-01-01T03:15:26 < zyp> even layer counters
2017-01-01T03:15:32 < aandrew> when I discovered how to tent vias (back in Eagle) I loved it
2017-01-01T03:15:52 < aandrew> my PCBs stopped looking like they were bedazzled
2017-01-01T03:16:26 < zyp> I get weirded out every time I see a pro pcb where all vias are untented
2017-01-01T03:18:07 < aandrew> yes
2017-01-01T03:18:14 < aandrew> but if you need to route a net or two it becomes silly
2017-01-01T03:19:09 < zyp> last I tried it was just a hassle, much easier to just use a normal layer with a polygon
2017-01-01T03:19:29 < zyp> especially for voltage plane layers where you have multiple rails in different areas
2017-01-01T03:19:44 < zyp> I know you can split power planes as well, but it's still simpler to deal with polygons
2017-01-01T03:20:06 < aandrew> zyp: I don't mind slicing up the plane with lines for power nets, just traces
2017-01-01T03:23:20 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-01T03:23:30 < aandrew> I hate how my routing strategy changes from zone to zone on the board
2017-01-01T03:23:40 < aandrew> vertical = top, horizontal = bottom, except for these areas
2017-01-01T03:25:06 < zyp> haha
2017-01-01T03:25:23 < aandrew> you *know* that's gonna get a reaction from dongs about transgender something or other
2017-01-01T03:26:44 < aandrew> interesting
2017-01-01T03:26:59 < aandrew> so how are you doing this? aren't ball bearings usually stainless steel?
2017-01-01T03:27:08 < aandrew> I tried soldering that shit once... doesn't work for shit
2017-01-01T03:32:36 < aandrew> I mean you *can* solder stainless steel if you can remove the chromium oxide that makes it stainless long enough to solder it, but that didn't work well when I tried it
2017-01-01T03:32:46 < aandrew> so yeah, I think a conductive epoxy is your best bet
2017-01-01T03:33:10 < aandrew> you'd have to be careful not to mar the surface where you didn't glue it though, would probably defeat the purpose of having a ball bearing in the circuit
2017-01-01T03:34:04 < aandrew> oh I see
2017-01-01T03:34:06 < aandrew> hm
2017-01-01T03:34:09 < zyp> that sounds unreliable
2017-01-01T03:35:56 < zyp> once you unclamp it, there wouldn't be any tension pushing the surfaces together, just the glue holding it there
2017-01-01T03:37:43 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/3EUyy
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2017-01-01T03:44:41 < Rob235> altium is installed.. now what
2017-01-01T03:44:44 < Rob235> :)
2017-01-01T03:45:52 < zyp> now start it? :p
2017-01-01T03:45:58 < Rob235> I think something's happening!
2017-01-01T03:48:29 < Rob235> howd you know?!?!
2017-01-01T04:17:19 < zyp> you mean member function pointer?
2017-01-01T04:17:29 < dongs> sup innovators of 2017
2017-01-01T04:17:53 < zyp> dongs, playing tetris with components for middle board
2017-01-01T04:18:00 < englishman> dongs what is this pineapple song
2017-01-01T04:18:09 < englishman> why are japs so dumb
2017-01-01T04:18:43 < dongs> i do not know. it is fucking dumb.
2017-01-01T04:19:04 < dongs> even less funny than LeelooMan and o6 combined
2017-01-01T04:19:09 < englishman> agree
2017-01-01T04:20:28 < zyp> LeelooMinai, that sounds weird and pointless, but idk
2017-01-01T04:21:03 < zyp> member function pointers are bad enough, but they actually have a purpose (since it's a function-pointer taking a this-argument)
2017-01-01T04:22:54 < zyp> dongs, your fav xtal was 12MHz 3225?
2017-01-01T04:28:37 < upgrdman> can ieee754 floats perfectly represent x*10^y  if x and y are both integers? (assuming the ints can fit in the mantissa etc)
2017-01-01T04:29:17 < upgrdman> or would it need to be x*2^y for perfect?
2017-01-01T04:30:10 < upgrdman> if y is negative, the resulting number is <1
2017-01-01T04:30:20 < upgrdman> 1e-6 = 0.000 001 etc
2017-01-01T04:31:00 < upgrdman> can it represent those perfectly? xe-y   where x and y and ints
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2017-01-01T04:31:47 < zyp> what?
2017-01-01T04:32:14 < stvn> happy new stm32
2017-01-01T04:32:18 < zyp> oh, that e
2017-01-01T04:32:47 < zyp> I think the answer is yes even for negative y
2017-01-01T04:33:26 < upgrdman> ok
2017-01-01T04:33:50 < zyp> hmm, actually, I think I might be wrong
2017-01-01T04:34:44 < zyp> LeelooMinai, exponent is offset
2017-01-01T04:35:25 < zyp> so anyway, I don't think 3e-1 can be represented accurately
2017-01-01T04:35:49 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-01-01T04:36:48 < zyp> to represent xe-y accurately, there would have to be an integer mantissa (x * 2**n)
2017-01-01T04:37:49 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/53qwAES.jpg
2017-01-01T04:37:59 < zyp> LeelooMinai, it's for comparison, floating point numbers are designed so that they can be compared like integers
2017-01-01T04:38:17 < zyp> so instead of messign with exponent sign, they just add a bias
2017-01-01T04:39:01 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponent_bias <- there's even a separate article for it
2017-01-01T04:41:09 < zyp> so anyway, (0.3 * 2**n) is not integer for any n
2017-01-01T04:46:59 < zyp> and it's probably not true for positive n either
2017-01-01T04:48:56 < zyp> yup
2017-01-01T04:49:46 < zyp> 10e10 requires a 26-bit mantissa to represent exactly, single precision float only got 24
2017-01-01T04:50:39 < zyp> prove what?
2017-01-01T04:51:14 < zyp> that's simple
2017-01-01T04:51:28 < zyp> 0.3 is 3/10
2017-01-01T04:51:49 < zyp> so you've got (3 * 2**n) / (2 * 5)
2017-01-01T04:52:19 < zyp> you'll never got a factor of 5 on top of that fraction
2017-01-01T04:52:44 < zyp> this is elementary prime factoring
2017-01-01T04:56:30 < zyp> dunno, I'm no mathematician
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2017-01-01T05:38:55 < Rob235> do people in the US usually use mils?
2017-01-01T05:39:00 < Rob235> vs mm
2017-01-01T05:40:05 < ohsix> for pcbs yea
2017-01-01T05:40:09 < ohsix> and machining
2017-01-01T05:40:19 < ohsix> but that's what everyone uses
2017-01-01T05:40:25 < Rob235> oh ok
2017-01-01T05:40:30 < ohsix> errr, for pcbs, not machining
2017-01-01T05:41:04 < Rob235> ok
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2017-01-01T05:45:48 < Rob235> yea I meant for edas
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2017-01-01T05:47:03 < ohsix> who what
2017-01-01T05:47:08 < Rob235> I'm assuming it's not possible to make your own pcb at home that can handle ddr3 memory? :)
2017-01-01T05:47:54 < Rob235> guess I'll have to give oshpark a shot
2017-01-01T05:48:13 < ohsix> what do you mean handle?
2017-01-01T05:48:20 < ohsix> oh er, like etching at home?
2017-01-01T05:48:24 < Rob235> do it, get it done and working
2017-01-01T05:48:25 < dongs> zyp, y
2017-01-01T05:48:26 < Rob235> yea
2017-01-01T05:48:33 < ohsix> you can but it will be hard, layign it out wouldn't be
2017-01-01T05:48:47 < ohsix> equal trace lenghts and really small widths
2017-01-01T05:48:48 < Rob235> i'll osh it probably
2017-01-01T05:48:54 < Rob235> yea
2017-01-01T05:48:56 < ohsix> what are you doing with it?
2017-01-01T05:50:16 < Rob235> ahh damn
2017-01-01T05:50:43 < ohsix> a naked fpga board with just a ddr3 sodimm slot would be useful :<
2017-01-01T05:50:54 < ohsix> you usually have to pay $$$$$$ and get one with loads of crap on it for that
2017-01-01T05:51:51 < Rob235> whats next step up from osh if you happen to NEED 0.8?
2017-01-01T05:52:35 < Rob235> I see
2017-01-01T05:54:14 < dongs> any china boardhouse these days exceeds the quality of oshoverpricedjunk
2017-01-01T05:54:27 < Rob235> how do you know what spacing the bga is? is it the 96/82/78?
2017-01-01T05:54:35 < dongs> wat
2017-01-01T05:54:39 < dongs> > bga
2017-01-01T05:54:42 < dongs> what insane shit are you doing now
2017-01-01T05:56:31 < Rob235> :)
2017-01-01T05:58:17 < dongs> try out http://firstpcb.com/ and see how it is
2017-01-01T05:58:32 < dongs> found englishman board on there http://static.firstpcb.com/firstpcb/imgs/index-product-show-11.png
2017-01-01T05:59:08 < englishman> gross
2017-01-01T05:59:13 < dongs> lol
2017-01-01T05:59:25 < zyp> dongs, good
2017-01-01T06:00:12 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/c62Yj.png
2017-01-01T06:00:18 < zyp> shit's starting to fill up
2017-01-01T06:00:30 < dongs> heh which dc/dc is that on top
2017-01-01T06:00:36 < dongs> that laytout looks very similar to one i did
2017-01-01T06:00:43 < zyp> same as the one I used for the LL board
2017-01-01T06:00:47 < zyp> richtek something
2017-01-01T06:00:47 < dongs> TPS54560
2017-01-01T06:00:49 < dongs> oh
2017-01-01T06:00:52 < dongs> oh, that right ok
2017-01-01T06:00:56 < dongs> i needed slightly higher vin on my shit
2017-01-01T06:00:58 < zyp> RT7257B
2017-01-01T06:01:23 < zyp> I just looked how I did layout on LL board and placed everything the same way
2017-01-01T06:01:29 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-01T06:01:41 < dongs> i go one step further, i just copy all the traces after rough-placing stuff same way
2017-01-01T06:01:48 < dongs> then move around to match trace positions.
2017-01-01T06:01:53 < zyp> I'm gonna adjust it to some silly voltage though
2017-01-01T06:01:55 < dongs> still no idea how this "snippets" trash in altidumb is supposed t o work
2017-01-01T06:02:18 < dongs> to solve these kinda things
2017-01-01T06:02:52 < zyp> the PMIC used on the edison is designed for lipo or something, so it doesn't take 5V in
2017-01-01T06:03:00 < dongs> o
2017-01-01T06:03:07 < zyp> same shit on the artik
2017-01-01T06:03:14 < upgrdman> am i loosing my fucking mind? log10(10e-36) is -35. shouldn't it be -36 ??
2017-01-01T06:03:29 < dongs> off by one in your brain
2017-01-01T06:03:45 < upgrdman> oh shit ya.
2017-01-01T06:04:32 < zyp> but eh, I don't need 5V anyway, and it's just a feedback adjustment
2017-01-01T06:05:04 < zyp> gonna steal the supercap circuit from the LL board too
2017-01-01T06:05:24 < zyp> because that seemed to work pretty well
2017-01-01T06:06:46 < dongs> do like 10cm hdmi cables exist
2017-01-01T06:06:53 < zyp> yes
2017-01-01T06:07:53 < zyp> I have an ethernet switch that uses hdmi cables for stacking, it came with some silly short shit
2017-01-01T06:08:06 < dongs> hah
2017-01-01T06:08:16 < dongs> well, i suppose thats ONE way to move ~10gbps between switches
2017-01-01T06:08:49 < zyp> I don't remember what speed they ran on the stacking link
2017-01-01T06:10:13 < zyp> http://www.connectinfo.fr/Fichesproduits/UTC/ETH/ge_dssg_244_poe_2011.pdf <- same series as this shit, I think, but not PoE
2017-01-01T06:10:24 < zyp> 5Gb on the stacking links
2017-01-01T06:10:30 < dongs> french router
2017-01-01T06:10:53 < zyp> that was first hit on google, probably some store or whatever
2017-01-01T06:11:08 < dongs> 2x HDMI-like 5GbE stacking interfaces
2017-01-01T06:11:09 < dongs> hehj
2017-01-01T06:11:47 < zyp> I've got the variant with eight copper ports and 24 SFPs
2017-01-01T06:11:49 < upgrdman> whats the point of the SFP RJ45s
2017-01-01T06:11:52 < zyp> super useless
2017-01-01T06:11:55 < upgrdman> like why make they SFP
2017-01-01T06:11:59 < upgrdman> unless fiber or someshit
2017-01-01T06:12:14 < zyp> upgrdman, so you can hook up copper to a switch you mainly use for fiber
2017-01-01T06:12:41 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9cfzN7fvBU
2017-01-01T06:12:42 < upgrdman> but the photo on your pdf.... its all copper rj45's
2017-01-01T06:12:51 < upgrdman> but 4 of the rj45s are sfp's
2017-01-01T06:13:01 < zyp> wat?
2017-01-01T06:13:08 < upgrdman> http://www.connectinfo.fr/Fichesproduits/UTC/ETH/ge_dssg_244_poe_2011.pdf
2017-01-01T06:13:12 < ohsix> http://8bitworkshop.com/
2017-01-01T06:13:14 < upgrdman> photo on page 1
2017-01-01T06:13:23 < zyp> that's not rj45
2017-01-01T06:13:29 < zyp> that's empty SFP as far as I can see
2017-01-01T06:13:38 < ohsix> Rob235: who were you talking to?
2017-01-01T06:13:46 < ohsix> oh nm
2017-01-01T06:13:51 < ohsix> thought bans were still there, bummer
2017-01-01T06:13:52 < upgrdman> oh shit, ya, fail on my part
2017-01-01T06:13:58 < Rob235> ?
2017-01-01T06:14:06 < zyp> but yeah
2017-01-01T06:14:12 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/nmouc.JPG <- I've got this shit as well
2017-01-01T06:14:30 < zyp> so I bought some copper SFPs so I could connect copper to the top switch
2017-01-01T06:14:56 < upgrdman> firstpcb lolwut: 10x for $10, 100x for $123. more if you buy in bulk
2017-01-01T06:15:01 < zyp> so I don't have to run a fucking stack to have both copper and >2 XFPs
2017-01-01T06:16:45 < upgrdman> anyone know if firstpcb quality is better than dirtypcbs quality?
2017-01-01T06:17:30 < dongs> upgrdman: should be better, plz try and let us know
2017-01-01T06:18:06 < Rob235> how do you rotate something in altium (shortcut key)
2017-01-01T06:18:10 < zyp> space
2017-01-01T06:18:15 < upgrdman> only downside i see with firstpcb is they chart more if soldermask isnt green
2017-01-01T06:18:20 < Rob235> :) thanks
2017-01-01T06:18:31 < zyp> also x/y to flip stuff in schematic mode
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2017-01-01T06:22:25 < Rob235> nice http://www.issi.com/WW/pdf/43-46TR16512A.pdf 1.0 spacing
2017-01-01T06:23:23 < zyp> spacing?
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2017-01-01T06:24:12 < Rob235> i lied
2017-01-01T06:24:16 < Rob235> its .8
2017-01-01T06:24:24 < Rob235> yea spacing
2017-01-01T06:24:29 < zyp> pitch.
2017-01-01T06:24:37 < Rob235> yes
2017-01-01T06:24:46 < Rob235> ?
2017-01-01T06:24:54 < Rob235> same difference
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2017-01-01T06:27:05 < dongs> upgrdman: thats a sign its not the bottom of the barrel garbage
2017-01-01T06:27:21 < dongs> upgrdman: prices are comparable to waht chinagirl charges me, and that stuff is pretty top quality for china
2017-01-01T06:28:16 < zyp> so how was this shit about usb termination resistors, does F4 actually require them or not?
2017-01-01T06:28:20 < upgrdman> k
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2017-01-01T06:33:54 < upgrdman> <dongs> found englishman board on there http://static.firstpcb.com/firstpcb/imgs/index-product-show-11.png
2017-01-01T06:34:09 < upgrdman> whats the point of the four holes surrounding each big hole
2017-01-01T06:34:37 < upgrdman> just more copper to connect top/bottom pads?
2017-01-01T06:34:42 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-01T06:34:52 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-01T06:37:41 < ohsix> supgrdman
2017-01-01T06:37:53 < ohsix> i did a thing
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2017-01-01T06:49:16 < ReadErr> it takes me a month to remember to even write the new year
2017-01-01T06:51:01 < ohsix> dont' write it, curse it
2017-01-01T06:51:13 < ohsix> 2017 - the year that every bad thing 'at least it wasn't 2016'
2017-01-01T07:10:04 < jadew> eating rice while watching a chinese movie - can't get better immersion than that
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2017-01-01T07:17:56 < ohsix> lul dog is going nuts over fireworks
2017-01-01T07:18:00 < ohsix> little shit
2017-01-01T07:21:51 < jadew> I'm 10 minutes into this movie and they didn't fight once
2017-01-01T07:22:14 < ohsix> Kliment: i printed a few parts with printhead 1 (The one that was working fine) and they ~matched the look of lulzbot parts
2017-01-01T07:25:08 < ReadErr> I need to make an oxygen concentrator 
2017-01-01T07:26:58 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/mo0CD2t.gif
2017-01-01T07:30:04 < jadew> he was looking for the ball
2017-01-01T07:30:50 < ohsix> for wat ReadErr 
2017-01-01T07:31:10 < ohsix> upgrdman: woah haha
2017-01-01T07:31:21 < ReadErr> making oxygen for torch 
2017-01-01T07:31:29 < ReadErr> they are pretty simple 
2017-01-01T07:31:38 < ohsix> o
2017-01-01T07:31:39 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-01T07:31:43 < ohsix> it's also cheap to buy
2017-01-01T07:31:48 < ReadErr> hardly 
2017-01-01T07:31:53 < ReadErr> not for the output I need
2017-01-01T07:31:53 < ohsix> if you have manifold and shit already
2017-01-01T07:32:00 < ohsix> a torch yooo
2017-01-01T07:32:10 < ReadErr> 2nd hand would run me maybe 900-1000$ for 2 units
2017-01-01T07:34:33 < ReadErr> http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/1206257/17336330/0/1290043418/chemical_oxygen_generator.jpg
2017-01-01T07:34:38 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol, i wasnt the only that wondered. she prolly is a he.  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4826966
2017-01-01T07:35:06 < ReadErr> 2 cylinders w/ zeolite, absorbs nitrogen
2017-01-01T07:35:09 < ohsix> i don't know what you're talking about lullll;]
2017-01-01T07:35:27 < ReadErr> 1 is purged while the other concentrates, cycles back and forth 
2017-01-01T07:35:44 < ohsix> why don't you just buy it in a cylinder?
2017-01-01T07:38:13 < ReadErr> because it gets really expensive 
2017-01-01T07:38:23 < ReadErr> leasing a tank and refills 
2017-01-01T07:38:33 < ohsix> wat
2017-01-01T07:38:40 < ohsix> how much do you need?
2017-01-01T07:39:47 < ohsix> you can get the medical ones second hand cheap, but it only generates a therapeutic amount of oxygen
2017-01-01T07:41:39 < ReadErr> 95%
2017-01-01T07:41:54 < ReadErr> a 80cu tank gives only a few hrs
2017-01-01T07:42:06 < ohsix> k i'm not going to drag the info out of you lul
2017-01-01T07:42:21 < ReadErr> also theres a slight issue
2017-01-01T07:42:21 < ohsix> you can chemically generate oxygen too
2017-01-01T07:42:29 < ReadErr> 2nd hand ones arent super common 
2017-01-01T07:42:35 < ReadErr> because they require a RX
2017-01-01T07:42:58 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Companion-590-i-oxygen-concentrator-board-/272490997535?hash=item3f71baa71f:g:TloAAOSwImRYTROT
2017-01-01T07:43:01 < ReadErr> theres some companies that get them back from insurance or w/e and 'repurpose' them as generators
2017-01-01T07:44:28 < ReadErr> and the scale of the medical ones is very low output compared to what I would need, thats why people have to buy multiple units and chain them together
2017-01-01T07:45:14 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/robisverycool/status/815397032521146369
2017-01-01T07:45:27 < ohsix> dunno what you need, you haven't said anything about it :<
2017-01-01T07:45:40 < ReadErr> oxygen supply for running a torch
2017-01-01T07:45:45 < ReadErr> 5-15 PSI 
2017-01-01T07:46:12 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-1-5L-min-Full-Intelligent-90-Oxygen-Concentrator-Generator-Home-Use-CE-/122039618128?hash=item1c6a20ca50:g:HOMAAOSwgY9XfIO3
2017-01-01T07:46:26 < ohsix> torch for what, people i know using torches use bottle gas
2017-01-01T07:46:48 < ReadErr> glass and what not
2017-01-01T07:47:01 < ReadErr> yea you can use bottle gas
2017-01-01T07:47:02 < ohsix> you'd need a compressor on top of this
2017-01-01T07:47:06 < ReadErr> yea
2017-01-01T07:47:12 < ReadErr> and a holding tank
2017-01-01T07:47:28 < ohsix> you can just do hydrolysis of water
2017-01-01T07:47:31 < ReadErr> that unit you posted, purity is really bad
2017-01-01T07:47:34 < ohsix> that's what that pcb did
2017-01-01T07:47:40 < ohsix> well no shit
2017-01-01T07:48:19 < ohsix> you can 'concentrate' oxygen for therapeutic use by removing some nitrogen and making it go faster
2017-01-01T07:48:32 < ReadErr> yea, so higher purity = less L/min
2017-01-01T07:48:51 < ohsix> find out how gas is
2017-01-01T07:49:05 < ohsix> much it costs, find out second hand compressor, bottle, everything, electricity
2017-01-01T07:49:12 < ohsix> it won't cost you more in bottles for like a year
2017-01-01T07:49:15 < ReadErr> people normally go for 20L/m actual output which involves running 2x 20L/m units @ 10L/min each
2017-01-01T07:49:38 < ReadErr> to get the desired concentration
2017-01-01T07:49:49 < ReadErr> 40$ a tank
2017-01-01T07:49:54 < ReadErr> for a refill
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2017-01-01T07:55:23 < ReadErr> and give maybe, 4hrs 
2017-01-01T08:07:21 < ohsix> http://git.gnumonks.org/laforge-slides/plain/2016/cellular_modems_33c3/33c3-modems.html#(10) lewl AT+QLINUXCMD=?
2017-01-01T08:08:05 < ohsix> http://git.gnumonks.org/laforge-slides/plain/2016/cellular_modems_33c3/33c3-modems.html#(12) nice uart junk too
2017-01-01T08:15:42 < zyp> haha, cute
2017-01-01T08:26:10 < upgrdman> http://www.elciudadano.cl/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/f16.jpg
2017-01-01T08:27:35 < ohsix> the subtle eroticism
2017-01-01T08:27:40 < ohsix> dick set on hard
2017-01-01T08:27:53 < ohsix> i heard someone say that in like 1997 and i love it
2017-01-01T08:29:01 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/815435906027061248
2017-01-01T08:34:50 < ohsix> o snap grand illusions has a new intro for 2017
2017-01-01T08:36:36 < ohsix> i actually used a scope for work today, it was cool
2017-01-01T08:36:56 < ohsix> am so poor i knew how to operate one a million years ago, but didn't have one
2017-01-01T08:37:06 < ohsix> $life
2017-01-01T08:38:23 < ohsix> it's weird how usably slow the interfaces are, you'd think it would get to be too much
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2017-01-01T08:48:59 < ohsix> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/EIYAAOSwtpZYR~bW/s-l1600.jpg cheeky 
2017-01-01T08:53:54 < jadew> 666 counts?
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2017-01-01T09:14:02 < ohsix> yea
2017-01-01T09:14:12 < ohsix> some bored dude with a camera
2017-01-01T09:14:23 < ohsix> signs of life in listings for chinese goods
2017-01-01T09:15:23 < PaulFertser> 600V max, so he show this DMM can tolerate some overvoltage abuse :)
2017-01-01T09:17:27 < ohsix> oof, felt 'ok' sick today, like it would go away; almost felt like a bug in my nose. now i feel dat swell, and a bit o joint-y pain
2017-01-01T09:17:34 < ohsix> tomorrow i sick
2017-01-01T09:18:20 < boB_K7IQ> Weird ColdKeyboard.  Learn something new all the time
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2017-01-01T09:52:41 < ohsix> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3okAAOSwa~BYT79C/s-l1600.jpg lul another one
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2017-01-01T09:55:55 < ohsix> i wonder how many of these items are actually known by the seller, they seem to be provided the software to post / handle support, and images/items for the retail arbitrage junk they do
2017-01-01T09:56:22 < jadew> why are you looking at those meters?
2017-01-01T09:57:34 < jadew> haha
2017-01-01T09:57:54 < ohsix> trying to find cheapest autoranging
2017-01-01T09:58:07 < ohsix> to get some idea about what sucks
2017-01-01T09:58:18 < jadew> but those are not autoranging :P
2017-01-01T09:58:31 < ohsix> progressively getting sicker and drinking cider
2017-01-01T09:58:40 < ohsix> yea i haven't got to those yet, this is just 'multimeter' heheh
2017-01-01T09:59:07 < jadew> so what did you find so far?
2017-01-01T09:59:13 < ohsix> boom
2017-01-01T09:59:18 < ohsix> one about 11$usd
2017-01-01T09:59:32 < ohsix> 2017 here
2017-01-01T09:59:39 < ohsix> lets see if laptop and tablet make it
2017-01-01T09:59:48 < jadew> got link?
2017-01-01T09:59:55 < ohsix> sec have to find it again
2017-01-01T10:00:17 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Profession-A30-Auto-Ranging-Digital-Multimeter-AC-DC-Voltage-Current-Detector-UE-/162231757786?hash=item25c5c42bda:g:T8wAAOSwLF1X-GyJ faster than i thought
2017-01-01T10:00:38 < jadew> mastek lol
2017-01-01T10:01:15 < ohsix> shop has these http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1NJhUIXXXXXXmXFXXq6xXFXXXU/Mastech-MS8229-Digital-Auto-range-Multimeter-DMM-Meter-5-in-1-Multitester-Light-Sound-Level-Temperature.jpg and the autoranging is SO SLOW
2017-01-01T10:01:25 < ohsix> they're alright tho
2017-01-01T10:01:44 < ohsix> i have a 20$~ one from harbor freight that is worse but autoranges much faster thus better
2017-01-01T10:03:32 < jadew> I have this (on the cheap end of the spectrum): http://arwill.hu/forras/kep/muszerek/multimeterek/ax-594-multimeter-680378-6561.jpg
2017-01-01T10:03:40 < ohsix> i found a cool book last night when googling how to design an lcr meter
2017-01-01T10:03:42 < jadew> not sure how fast autoranging is tho
2017-01-01T10:03:55 < jadew> you make an oscillator
2017-01-01T10:03:59 < ohsix> john g webster - measuring instrumentation and sensors handbook
2017-01-01T10:04:02 < ohsix> right
2017-01-01T10:04:25 < ohsix> rs232 output? nice
2017-01-01T10:04:40 < jadew> yeah, came in handy a couple of times
2017-01-01T10:04:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> Why do you want autoranging?
2017-01-01T10:04:58 < jadew> uh... why not?
2017-01-01T10:05:39 < jadew> let's say that for voltage you kinda know what to expect
2017-01-01T10:05:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> This is personal bias, but apart from resistance, I generally know waht value I'm looking at?
2017-01-01T10:05:51 < jadew> but what are you going to do about resistance and current?
2017-01-01T10:06:07 < ohsix> all i did today was flop between continuity and diode test, and a little bit of voltage
2017-01-01T10:06:18 < ohsix> voltages were different all over
2017-01-01T10:06:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, I mostly use continuity tbh.
2017-01-01T10:06:28 < ohsix> 200mv - 40v and like 18 values inbetween
2017-01-01T10:06:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> Well, current is a fair point. 
2017-01-01T10:07:11 < ohsix> if you can read the resistors you can do that, but you still need to verify the value if you're doing a repair
2017-01-01T10:08:04 < jadew> if you're worried about the value coming up too slow you can manual range
2017-01-01T10:08:26 < ohsix> the transistor tester things are neat
2017-01-01T10:08:34 < jadew> I'll change the battery in this thing and I'll see if I can test the ranging speed
2017-01-01T10:09:00 < ohsix> ranging speed matters for really big values, cuz they're slow to read anyways
2017-01-01T10:09:16 < ohsix> resistances that is
2017-01-01T10:09:39 < ohsix> in this case that mastech one doesn't try high ranges first, and changing ranges is slow too
2017-01-01T10:11:44 < ohsix> a bench meter would be awesome but it's the lab equipment and they don't 'need' it, don't want to ask
2017-01-01T10:12:16 < jadew> ah, then I don't have to change the battery
2017-01-01T10:12:26 < jadew> this one is slow for high ohms too
2017-01-01T10:12:30 < ohsix> ya no worries, i know the meter i have is faster
2017-01-01T10:12:46 < jadew> in fact, it would still be fun to compare my meters
2017-01-01T10:12:56 < jadew> maybe with a 1 M resistor
2017-01-01T10:13:32 < jadew> this must be the cheapest 9V battery ever
2017-01-01T10:13:39 < jadew> I paid $1
2017-01-01T10:14:27 < ohsix> not that it matters or the reason we have the meters in the first place, but measuring skin resistance/response came up, and it can do it well enough, but the dynamic range of that sort of thing is pretty big
2017-01-01T10:14:39 < ohsix> between 10k and a few mOhm
2017-01-01T10:14:41 < ohsix> megohm
2017-01-01T10:16:07 < jadew> it usese AAA batteries...
2017-01-01T10:18:52 < ohsix> the mooshimeter is neat, stuff like it would be really good if it was ~fast (from saved ui cost) and the apps let you do data logging and stuff
2017-01-01T10:19:50 < ohsix> or something that could do pass/fail windows, like some high end scopes, tell you when a value isn't between a range (or zero)
2017-01-01T10:20:02 < ohsix> orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr like a calculator history ;]
2017-01-01T10:21:06 < ohsix> oh crap proper sick now
2017-01-01T10:21:39 < jadew> looks like it's not that slow
2017-01-01T10:21:46 < jadew> and it starts in the Meg ranges
2017-01-01T10:21:53 < jadew> because normally it's overloaded in that range
2017-01-01T10:22:02 < jadew> the brymen 867 is a bit faster tho
2017-01-01T10:22:09 < jadew> and my bench meter is instant
2017-01-01T10:23:35 < jadew> well, not instant, but almost instant
2017-01-01T10:24:13 < jadew> and it starts from the Gohm range
2017-01-01T10:25:43 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-01T10:26:03 < ohsix> yea i could see (Forgetting slow for a bit) that when you detect the circuit is closed, you start with lower instead of larger
2017-01-01T10:26:10 < ohsix> it's just a decision someone made
2017-01-01T10:26:48 < jadew> that's how it is on the mastech?
2017-01-01T10:28:12 < ohsix> it seems like that yea
2017-01-01T10:28:21 < ohsix> i didn't actually work it out or anything :p
2017-01-01T10:28:27 < ohsix> it could hop around probalistically
2017-01-01T10:28:49 < ohsix> i just think it is kind of braindead to try the states you can test quickly and rule out
2017-01-01T10:29:12 < ohsix> for inductors or capacitors it might even mean an entirely different type of test or stimulus
2017-01-01T10:29:13 < jadew> I found a video of a similar mastech (if it's not that one percisely) and yeah, it's slow
2017-01-01T10:29:25 < jadew> I thought they were supposed to be high quality
2017-01-01T10:29:46 < ohsix> they are pretty good, there's lights on the ports, i'm not the only user, that has been useful
2017-01-01T10:29:54 < ohsix> the continuity beeper is pretty good
2017-01-01T10:30:07 < ohsix> though when you switch to it it's diode/continuity test instead of the other way around, have to hit a button
2017-01-01T10:30:22 < ohsix> and it has a sleep mode, but there's no button just to tell it to sleep (or wake up)
2017-01-01T10:30:33 < ohsix> id' use it in sleep mode most of the time if i could
2017-01-01T10:31:40 < jadew> yeah, the axio goes to sleep too
2017-01-01T10:31:47 < jadew> and there's little I can do about it
2017-01-01T10:32:29 < jadew> I've been using the bench one almost exclusively lately
2017-01-01T10:33:04 < jadew> then when I need a second meter I turn to the brymen and only then to the axio
2017-01-01T10:33:08 < ohsix> hawww, looking at manual for scope i was using today, only 32k point memory. no wonder i couldn't find a setting to pick memory depth
2017-01-01T10:33:31 < jadew> what brand?
2017-01-01T10:34:24 < ohsix> siglent sds1052dl
2017-01-01T10:34:30 < ohsix> one of the white box rebadges
2017-01-01T10:34:46 < ohsix> and NEAT it has pass/fail waveform stuff, haven't needed it but that's cool
2017-01-01T10:34:56 < ohsix> there's a bnc on the back, just assumed the low end one wouldn't
2017-01-01T10:35:41 < ohsix> i wonder how many you'd have to order from the ODM to get a version with your art on it
2017-01-01T10:35:59 < jadew> you can probably hack it
2017-01-01T10:36:13 < jadew> or you mean on the plastic?
2017-01-01T10:36:28 < ohsix> yea on the plastic
2017-01-01T10:36:38 < ohsix> i don't think it has a boot logo, but yea you can set that on almost any of them
2017-01-01T10:37:05 < jadew> I just realized
2017-01-01T10:37:07 < ohsix> atten makes that one (i think) and they just put the siglent fw/art on it
2017-01-01T10:37:09 < jadew> they're copying rigol?
2017-01-01T10:37:16 < ohsix> maybe
2017-01-01T10:37:28 < ohsix> atten makes some of all of them, could be siglent and the comparable rigol model
2017-01-01T10:37:52 < jadew> http://www.volteq.com/images/source/SDS1052DL.jpg
2017-01-01T10:38:00 < jadew> this looks very much inspired from the rigols
2017-01-01T10:38:45 < ohsix> yea, rigol has a 1052 too
2017-01-01T10:38:51 < ohsix> as well, rather
2017-01-01T10:38:56 < jadew> no, it looks like the new ones
2017-01-01T10:39:02 < jadew> the z ones
2017-01-01T10:39:08 < jadew> the lines are similar
2017-01-01T10:39:36 < ohsix> oh
2017-01-01T10:39:48 < jadew> they don't even try to stand out
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2017-01-01T10:46:48 < ohsix> hm maybe
2017-01-01T10:46:59 < ohsix> it's kind of cool to have the guts of a thing become a commodity
2017-01-01T10:47:52 < ohsix> doesn't matter which one you buy, so they're quasi competing, except not in an overt dumb way, but in a price is actually going down way
2017-01-01T10:48:45 < ohsix> i've been really surprised at things like the xprotolab and the dso138, they 'suck' but for what they are, they're impressive
2017-01-01T10:48:54 < ohsix> dude released the xprotolab code but nobody is cloning them
2017-01-01T10:49:09 < ohsix> it's got a functional LA and scope and everything on it huhuhu, signal generator too
2017-01-01T10:49:35 < ohsix> http://www.gabotronics.com/development-boards/xmega-xprotolab.htm
2017-01-01T10:49:37 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/ZKzRl
2017-01-01T10:50:03 < ohsix> it has too few buttons to really use the extra modes and stuff, but it is pretty concise & easy
2017-01-01T10:50:19 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-01T10:50:29 < ohsix> rhode&shwarz have always had crazy looking stuff
2017-01-01T10:50:41 < ohsix> atten makes some of their scopes now
2017-01-01T10:51:10 < ohsix> the HD thing is in their branding huhu
2017-01-01T10:51:49 < ohsix> compare to https://cdn.rohde-schwarz.com/pws/product/rtm/rtm1054/RTM1054_front_stage_landscape.jpg
2017-01-01T10:52:06 < ohsix> though it could just be shenanigans
2017-01-01T10:52:31 < ohsix> having a lower cost vendor try and ape your style is easy
2017-01-01T10:52:34 < jadew> :P I made that picture :P
2017-01-01T10:53:17 < jadew> siglent is 50 years away from making scopes like that
2017-01-01T10:53:45 < ohsix> nice heheh
2017-01-01T10:53:56 < ohsix> http://www.gabotronics.com/electronic-kits-modules/kit-to-build-xprotolab.htm this is in the price range of the kits the lab has in soldering classes
2017-01-01T10:54:12 < ohsix> so neat
2017-01-01T10:54:48 < ohsix> i have a big bag of those buttons, they're awesome for hacking crap, you can solder them onto pins or whatever and they dont flex when you push them
2017-01-01T10:56:37 < ohsix> http://www.gratten.eu/instruments/oscilloscopes/ga1022cal-25hmz.html heheh
2017-01-01T10:57:35 < ohsix> aside from ease of use when you _might_ benefit from seeing more things, what's a super killer, can't miss thing about a 4ch scope?
2017-01-01T10:57:58 < ohsix> most scopes divide mem/sampling rate into banks, so you have 4 at half 2 speed
2017-01-01T10:58:28 < ohsix> hmm rf/analog maybe
2017-01-01T10:58:40 < jadew> what do you mean?
2017-01-01T10:59:13 < jadew> why 4 channels are better than 2?
2017-01-01T10:59:48 < jadew> you'll always use the extra ones
2017-01-01T11:00:54 < jadew> for one, you can monitor the power rail, the input and the output of a system at the same time
2017-01-01T11:02:27 < ohsix> yea
2017-01-01T11:02:39 < ohsix> but i'm thinking like, something that you would be doing that could justify up front cost
2017-01-01T11:03:05 < ohsix> there's only one timebase right? triggers will be tied to all 4 channels
2017-01-01T11:03:16 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-01T11:04:00 < jadew> it's like having 2 monitors instead of 1
2017-01-01T11:04:10 < ohsix> hm heheh
2017-01-01T11:04:35 < ohsix> you could do a dumb thing in xy mode with something that generated your own timebase and drew multiple traces
2017-01-01T11:04:50 < ohsix> ya i get basic utility
2017-01-01T11:04:53 < jadew> in external software maybe
2017-01-01T11:04:58 < ohsix> yup
2017-01-01T11:05:05 < jadew> mine accepts to use only 2 channels for XY mode
2017-01-01T11:05:26 < jadew> maybe they'll add XYZ
2017-01-01T11:05:28 < ohsix> i had a cool book back in the day (maybe still do) that had all sorts of hacks for CROs, one of them was a dual trace adapter
2017-01-01T11:06:00 < jadew> what does that do?
2017-01-01T11:06:16 < ohsix> it offsets another trace and halves the timebase
2017-01-01T11:06:22 < ohsix> so you can just view two at half the rate
2017-01-01T11:06:28 < jadew> ah, neat
2017-01-01T11:06:47 < ohsix> some of the tektronix modules for multichannel actually worked a bit like that
2017-01-01T11:07:27 < jadew> even digital ones work like that :)
2017-01-01T11:07:39 < ohsix> sure, the interleaving
2017-01-01T11:07:44 < ohsix> that is pretty clever stuff
2017-01-01T11:07:55 < ohsix> it's like making one superchannel out of 4 crap ones
2017-01-01T11:08:21 < ohsix> and frequencies are lower, it's a decent tradeoff
2017-01-01T11:08:44 < jadew> I meant using the same ADC for multiple channels
2017-01-01T11:08:56 < ohsix> if you had a sync signal you could literally just add an offset and a flip flop
2017-01-01T11:09:00 < ohsix> right
2017-01-01T11:09:34 < ohsix> since i fixed one of them, there's 2 b&k precisions at the lab; hacks for that just need to be done
2017-01-01T11:09:41 < jadew> is that how regular high speed ADCs do it too?
2017-01-01T11:09:43 < ohsix> like jerobeam fenderson
2017-01-01T11:09:53 < ohsix> some, don't know enough to be specific
2017-01-01T11:11:07 < jadew> I'm off to bed, happy new year
2017-01-01T11:11:14 < ohsix> word, have a good one
2017-01-01T11:13:26 < Thorn> why both BRR and BSRR registers in F0? (F4 only has BSRR)
2017-01-01T11:17:23 < zyp> probably because ST didn't realize that bitshifts were free when they designed the F1
2017-01-01T11:18:50 < Thorn> code folding in qt creator must have been designed by Escher
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2017-01-01T11:29:07 < upgrdman> what an ugly fucking laptop. http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-working-thinnest-gaming-notebook-geforce-gtx-1080/119791.html
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2017-01-01T11:30:08 < stvn> republic of goyims
2017-01-01T11:30:25 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-01T11:33:29 < stvn> hah
2017-01-01T11:33:35 < PaulFertser> stvn: btw, you know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_goy
2017-01-01T11:35:07 < stvn> idkwtf i am reading
2017-01-01T11:35:47 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/AchingIllfatedAmmonite
2017-01-01T11:36:40 < stvn> should have used an stm32 mate
2017-01-01T11:36:52 < PaulFertser> stvn: I thought you'd enjoy learning more about judaism and nice traditions
2017-01-01T11:37:11 < stvn> i read ED for that
2017-01-01T11:37:49 < PaulFertser> When it comes to Judaism, the regular wikipedia seems no less absurd
2017-01-01T11:38:25 < stvn> ✡Jews✡ are a species of Sociopathic Vampires descended long ago from reptilian parasitic Aliens who tried to control and interbreed with Humanity in their quest for universal domination. 
2017-01-01T11:39:29 < stvn> i love how that site launces an add saying my ISP has a free iphone for me... they wouldn't give a grain of sand away.
2017-01-01T11:41:26 < stvn> better still it has a vodafone logo and it says 'optus'
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2017-01-01T12:13:17 < Kliment> Most religions have crazy shit going on
2017-01-01T12:15:47 < PaulFertser> Yep. But the level of craziness seems to differ.
2017-01-01T12:17:02 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, are you religious?
2017-01-01T12:17:12 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I'm agnostic
2017-01-01T12:17:22 < upgrdman> cool
2017-01-01T12:18:24 < PaulFertser> Sticking to free software philosophy is probably kinda religious but I do not claim it's "the only true" or something like that, I just prefer it for no substantial reason, like I prefer to share with friends etc.
2017-01-01T12:19:40 < upgrdman> :)
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2017-01-01T12:32:15 < Kliment> PaulFertser: I've not encountered a major religion without all sorts of bizarre stuff. It just happens that a lot of it gets ignored in modern times
2017-01-01T12:38:33 < PaulFertser> Kliment: but not in judaism :)
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2017-01-01T12:48:14 < Kliment> PaulFertser: How do you figure that? There are plenty of people who practice judaism when they feel like it, and ignore it most of the time.
2017-01-01T12:48:40 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Just like the people who only go to church for weddings and funerals
2017-01-01T12:50:41 < PaulFertser> Kliment: but are there many that actually go to synagogue often but do not observe kashrut, do not have separate plates and utensils for meat and milk etc? Because those that do not even go to synagogue can hardly be called practicing, I'd say.
2017-01-01T12:51:03 < PaulFertser> Same about most christians.
2017-01-01T12:51:58 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Well, yeah. A lot of people go to religious gatherings because their friends are there and it gives them a sense of community
2017-01-01T12:52:58 < PaulFertser> Kliment: where jewish population is actually like that?
2017-01-01T12:52:58 < Kliment> PaulFertser: It doesn't mean they actually believe any of it or that they follow all the rules
2017-01-01T12:53:07 < Kliment> PaulFertser: LA
2017-01-01T12:53:20 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Not all of it of course, but a number of places
2017-01-01T12:53:44 < Kliment> PaulFertser: There's also lots of people there who do believe but don't agree with the rules
2017-01-01T12:54:23 < Kliment> PaulFertser: So they'll observe the rituals and stuff and go to gatherings but they still drive everywhere even on friday night
2017-01-01T12:55:49 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Also in israel, you see this kind of divide - in Jerusalem everything shuts down saturdays, in Tel Aviv basically nothing does
2017-01-01T12:56:40 < Kliment> PaulFertser: And so many people who are otherwise practicing jews violate the driving ban that there are crazy ultra-religious jews standing by the roads throwing rocks at drivers
2017-01-01T12:56:51 < PaulFertser> Kliment: I see, so they're not really religous and it's a social thing for them, but their religiong doesn't actually allow that behaviour. Unlike many modern christian churches.
2017-01-01T12:57:27 < Kliment> PaulFertser: No, there's both one and the other. You have people who don't care about the religion, or do but not so much, that go to gatherings for social reasons.
2017-01-01T12:57:36 < PaulFertser> Kliment: on my trip to Israel, shabbat was a real PITA, it felt like all across the country most shops are closed, not only in Jerusalem.
2017-01-01T12:57:51 < Kliment> PaulFertser: But equally, there are people who believe in the religious stuff but disagree with the rules
2017-01-01T12:58:34 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Oh yeah, the main issue is that the nationwide services, trains and such, shut down
2017-01-01T12:58:43 < Kliment> PaulFertser: And yeah, lots of places close down
2017-01-01T12:58:56 < Kliment> PaulFertser: But people were partying on friday night in TA
2017-01-01T12:59:12 < PaulFertser> Kliment: and IKEA :) we found some open russian supermarket nearby though :)
2017-01-01T12:59:44 < dongs> ok pros
2017-01-01T12:59:52 < dongs> what does ADC DMA do
2017-01-01T12:59:56 < dongs> when you have a scanlist of say 5 channels
2017-01-01T13:00:04 < dongs> and you give it a buffer of 5*(say 10)
2017-01-01T13:00:12 < dongs> and set transfer size to that
2017-01-01T13:00:20 < dongs> does it roll over the scan list, and put new values in
2017-01-01T13:00:23 < Kliment> dongs: I haven't tried it in a while but I believe bad things
2017-01-01T13:00:24 < dongs> or does it just shit itself and do random things
2017-01-01T13:00:31 < dongs> im thinking it shouldnt work because
2017-01-01T13:00:37 < Kliment> dongs: You should do a transfer size of a single reading
2017-01-01T13:00:38 < dongs> it will not (?) have time to DMA
2017-01-01T13:00:44 < PaulFertser> dongs: when are you going to innovate something for the hasids? They really need help to deal with all the restrictions, and stm32 can have a great potential there. 
2017-01-01T13:00:46 < dongs> err not have time to od sampling
2017-01-01T13:00:57 < Kliment> dongs: And it will increment after each sample is in
2017-01-01T13:01:09 < dongs> Kliment: well, you know how  you can make ADC scan list right
2017-01-01T13:01:14 < Kliment> dongs: Yes
2017-01-01T13:01:20 < dongs> adc add simple channel or wahtever.
2017-01-01T13:01:29 < dongs> so normally, I just dma uint16*numch
2017-01-01T13:01:31 < dongs> and of course it works
2017-01-01T13:01:40 < Kliment> dongs: And it can increment that after each transfer, just like the dma increments addresses
2017-01-01T13:01:47 < dongs> yeah.
2017-01-01T13:01:58 < dongs> so what will it do if I do numch*10
2017-01-01T13:02:17 < dongs> and im scanning say A,B,C (3 channels). but i ask it to transfer 30 times. will i get ABC,ABC,ABC*10
2017-01-01T13:02:22 < dongs> or will i get ABC,FUCKYOU*10
2017-01-01T13:06:46 < Kliment> What's your trigger?
2017-01-01T13:06:51 < stvn> lul
2017-01-01T13:06:59 < Kliment> If it triggers by the ADC it will work correctly
2017-01-01T13:07:21 < dongs> Kliment: no(?) trigger
2017-01-01T13:07:22 < Kliment> Otherwise you have to ensure that the trigger comes in after the conversion
2017-01-01T13:07:25 < dongs> just free running conversion i guess
2017-01-01T13:07:40 < Kliment> I mean, what starts the DMA?
2017-01-01T13:08:03 < dongs> just start it at beginning, tis circular, so its ust going nonstop all the time
2017-01-01T13:08:33 < Kliment> DMA happens when some event tells it data is ready
2017-01-01T13:09:04 < Kliment> This can be a timer, a software flag, an interrupt, or a peripheral event
2017-01-01T13:09:34 < Kliment> If the ADC is triggering DMA, then it will not trigger until conversion is done
2017-01-01T13:09:41 < dongs> ok
2017-01-01T13:09:46 < dongs> right, so theoretically it should work?
2017-01-01T13:09:58 < Kliment> Yes, if you're doing what I think you're doing
2017-01-01T13:10:10 < dongs> but what happens after the scan list is over, is it gonna start from beginning and scan more, and just finish sticking it into the array until the end
2017-01-01T13:10:29 < dongs> i have uint16_t[nsamples][numchan]; or wahtever
2017-01-01T13:10:41 < dongs> and dma transfer size is nsamples*numchan
2017-01-01T13:10:44 < Kliment> dongs: I think the default setting is to loop over to start of list, but check the reference manual to make sure
2017-01-01T13:15:37 < Kliment> dongs: Or just break out a disco and try it out
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2017-01-01T15:00:01 < dongs> https://lwn.net/Articles/710215/ breaking news
2017-01-01T15:10:09 < Lux> dongs: pretty sure it'd do ABC*10
2017-01-01T15:10:22 < Lux> but just try it, it's not like it'd take you more tan a minute
2017-01-01T15:12:24 < dongs> rite. just tryin to solve halguy's problem but looks like he was too dumb even for hal
2017-01-01T15:12:39 < dongs> he checked'temperature' in cube (internal sensor) and some regular channels
2017-01-01T15:12:48 < dongs> so his buffer was only 5 channels but he was scanning 6
2017-01-01T15:12:55 < dongs> pebcak
2017-01-01T15:19:36 < Fleck> http://skillgun.com/question/1372/c/functions/is-the-following-c-code-correct-void-fint-int10-void-fint-aint-b--void-main---f5
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2017-01-01T15:30:07 < Steffanx> wut Fleck? "Description not available"..
2017-01-01T15:30:41 < Fleck> exactly ;P
2017-01-01T15:36:02 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/BKkr8.png didn't turn out so bad
2017-01-01T15:37:41 < zyp> gonna replace the 6-pin terminal on the bottom with a 3-pin one once I bother making a footprint for it, that should leave enough area there for a piezo buzzer
2017-01-01T15:39:48 < Steffanx> Whats this thing on the right?
2017-01-01T15:39:56 < Steffanx> bottom right
2017-01-01T15:40:02 < zyp> edison module
2017-01-01T15:42:20 < zyp> should be fairly easy to throw out the edison module and put in an artik module instead if I later want to
2017-01-01T15:43:07 < zyp> when I checked the docs, it seemed to fit within the same area and has the same requirements to supply and io voltages
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2017-01-01T15:44:02 < dongs> what is that shit on the left?
2017-01-01T15:44:06 < dongs> staggered row connector
2017-01-01T15:44:14 < dongs> some board to boards tuff?
2017-01-01T15:44:27 < zyp> that's the vertical FFC connector
2017-01-01T15:44:34 < dongs> o yea ok
2017-01-01T15:44:46 < zyp> for top board
2017-01-01T15:44:59 < dongs> and is that txb0104 i spot
2017-01-01T15:45:04 < zyp> and there's a horizontal one in the top right corner for the bottom board
2017-01-01T15:45:05 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-01T15:45:31 < dongs> usure thats the right package? i though it waws thinner tssop
2017-01-01T15:45:32 < zyp> didn't know what to use the spare two IOs for, so I just hooked up another uart
2017-01-01T15:45:39 < dongs> i saw a board with one yestertday but I dont remember wehre it isnow
2017-01-01T15:46:01 < zyp> uh, I got the numbers from the datasheet
2017-01-01T15:46:09 < dongs> is that 0.65 pitch?
2017-01-01T15:46:10 < dongs> or 0.5
2017-01-01T15:46:29 < zyp> .65
2017-01-01T15:46:38 < dongs> hm fuckit i dont remember wehre that board is that used it
2017-01-01T15:46:52 < dongs> youre probly not wrong.
2017-01-01T15:47:24 < zyp> datasheet specs 5.6mm from center of pad to center of pad, just double checked that I got it right
2017-01-01T15:47:49 < zyp> for «PW» package
2017-01-01T15:47:59 < zyp> there's like 7 different packages available
2017-01-01T15:48:29 < zyp> but apart from bga/qfn, there's this or so14
2017-01-01T15:48:37 < dongs> ya ok then its probly the right one
2017-01-01T15:48:43 < dongs> PW rings a bell
2017-01-01T15:48:45 < dongs> as other TI stuff
2017-01-01T15:48:48 < dongs> like 74xx series of shit
2017-01-01T15:48:52 < Kliment> I remember an opamp once that had two packages between SO and TSSOP
2017-01-01T15:48:53 < dongs> and that footprint looks right for that
2017-01-01T15:49:10 < Kliment> of course I ended up getting the wrong one :)
2017-01-01T15:49:24 < dongs> the real cunt is PCA3906
2017-01-01T15:49:30 < dongs> that thing comes in wide tssop AND narrow tsop
2017-01-01T15:49:32 < dongs> wiht same pitch
2017-01-01T15:49:40 < zyp> haha
2017-01-01T15:49:41 < dongs> and if you get the wrong one, you have to bend the pins under it to solder
2017-01-01T15:49:48 < dongs> < had to do that on 400 boards
2017-01-01T15:50:07 < dongs> (and it also has liek 6 other fucked up packages)
2017-01-01T15:50:16 < dongs> also each vendor of PCA clone makes up some new package for it
2017-01-01T15:50:21 < dongs> so yeah.. its a bit of a mess.
2017-01-01T15:50:29 < zyp> is that really worth it vs just ordering the right one?
2017-01-01T15:50:42 < dongs> not very but it was on a schedule
2017-01-01T15:50:47 < dongs> it worked out ok actually
2017-01-01T15:50:56 < dongs> just bend and slap it on the board and reflow.
2017-01-01T15:51:06 < dongs> had to give it a tap after bending to straighten the bottom of the pins.
2017-01-01T15:51:15 < zyp> I'd think digikey or whatever would have it out the door and well on the way by the time you're done with 400
2017-01-01T15:51:24 < dongs> not at all
2017-01-01T15:51:27 < dongs> was done in just a couple hours
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2017-01-01T15:52:28 < dongs> heh i have zyp wisdom in this old driver code
2017-01-01T15:52:37 < dongs> 23:36 < zyp> in your case I guess you'd want to trigger on the first timer update interrupt, set a deadline at some point in the future and turn off interrupts until then
2017-01-01T15:52:40 < dongs> 23:36 < zyp> then you poll the result and turn interrupts back on
2017-01-01T15:52:41 < dongs> in /* */
2017-01-01T15:52:43 < dongs> 23:37 < zyp> that way you ignore all the steps between them and only act after a given time from the first one
2017-01-01T15:53:07 < zyp> encoder shit?
2017-01-01T15:53:12 < dongs> yeah how did you know
2017-01-01T15:53:23 < dongs> this was like 2014
2017-01-01T15:53:45 < zyp> timer + deadline
2017-01-01T15:53:49 < dongs> pfft
2017-01-01T15:54:29 < zyp> sounds like some sort of debouncing or rate limiting, and when the timer is involved, it's probably hooked up to an encoder
2017-01-01T15:54:38 < dongs> ya
2017-01-01T15:55:04 < zyp> oh well, that's two boards for this project mostly done
2017-01-01T15:55:38 < zyp> missing top board, and I should probably do FFC breakout as well
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2017-01-01T17:28:33 < dongs> hmm wahgt teh shit
2017-01-01T17:28:38 < dongs> i cant connect to my waveshare 207 board
2017-01-01T17:29:57 < dongs> k got it. shitty closed source jlink had to be powercycled
2017-01-01T17:32:13 < zyp> heh
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2017-01-01T18:29:00 < Laurenceb_> sup
2017-01-01T18:29:10 < Laurenceb_> happy new year all
2017-01-01T18:29:21 < Laurenceb_> *current year intensifies*
2017-01-01T18:45:18 < aandrew> nappy yew hear!
2017-01-01T18:45:51 < aandrew> zyp: looks good, what is it
2017-01-01T18:46:24 < aandrew> dongs: I have constructs like that in some of my code
2017-01-01T18:46:34 < aandrew> what's a waveshare 207
2017-01-01T18:46:44 < zyp> aandrew, controller board for the EV chargepoint thing I'm working on
2017-01-01T18:46:47 < dongs> F207 board from wavesahre
2017-01-01T18:48:06 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/KI4hR
2017-01-01T18:48:09 < aandrew> speaking of F207
2017-01-01T18:48:14 < aandrew> 90% routed
2017-01-01T18:49:17 < aandrew> it's a shitty fast route but it'll work
2017-01-01T18:51:40 < qyx> poe detected
2017-01-01T18:52:08 < aandrew> yep
2017-01-01T18:52:15 < aandrew> only one problem
2017-01-01T18:52:32 < aandrew> I am breaking the rule by not making an isolated (flyback) supply from the PoE supply
2017-01-01T18:52:48 < aandrew> so I am not sure whether I should connect POE+ to ground or POE- to ground (output of the bridge rectifiers)
2017-01-01T18:52:56 < aandrew> so I think I'll make it selectable
2017-01-01T18:53:29 < qyx> wat
2017-01-01T18:53:49 < qyx> if there is no isolation, POE- and ground must be connected
2017-01-01T18:53:52 < zyp> negative of course
2017-01-01T18:54:22 < qyx> also, if there is no negiotiation controller, it would not be compatible with 802.3af either way
2017-01-01T18:54:40 < zyp> otherwise you'd have to do some negative step-down regulator fuckery
2017-01-01T18:55:16 < aandrew> qyx: you sure? PoE is often specified as positive ground (i.e. -56V) like telephone systems and likely for the same reasons
2017-01-01T18:55:29 < aandrew> qyx: there's a PoE PD controller present
2017-01-01T18:55:46 < aandrew> NCP1092
2017-01-01T18:55:49 < qyx> but you are connecting the output of the bridge rectifier
2017-01-01T18:58:42 < aandrew> correct
2017-01-01T18:58:49 < aandrew> that was my thinking as well
2017-01-01T18:58:59 < aandrew> that after the bridge it really doesn't matter
2017-01-01T18:59:26 < zyp> like I said, it matters in that you'll have to turn -48V into +3.3V or whatever
2017-01-01T18:59:43 < zyp> which sounds like more hassle than +48V down to 3.3V
2017-01-01T19:00:14 < qyx> acually it may be easier
2017-01-01T19:00:30 < qyx> as you can use an n mosfet to do a step-down converter
2017-01-01T19:00:47 < qyx> most led regulators work that way
2017-01-01T19:00:48 < qyx> but nah
2017-01-01T19:01:43 < kakimir> had a good new year?
2017-01-01T19:02:25 < aandrew> qyx: it becomes an issue for grounding, not for the board itself
2017-01-01T19:02:30 < aandrew> the board don't care if PoE+ is common
2017-01-01T19:02:42 < aandrew> but common is connected to the machine ground
2017-01-01T19:02:58 < aandrew> now mind you, isn't 802.3af supposed to be isolated on both ends?
2017-01-01T19:04:42 < qyx> afaik yes
2017-01-01T19:22:47 < englishman> pleasant new year Laurenceb_ 
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2017-01-01T19:46:27 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ4MQ_uhBSs musics?
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2017-01-01T20:08:45 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-01-01T20:08:59 < Laurenceb_> what is this horrifying autotuned garbage
2017-01-01T20:09:07 < BrainDamage> for laurenceb: en.rightpedia.info/w/How_Einstein_ruined_physics
2017-01-01T20:09:08 < Laurenceb_> sounds like I'm in a carpet shop
2017-01-01T20:09:12 < dongs> does anyone have CMSIS from F1 stdperiphlib from 2009?
2017-01-01T20:09:27 < dongs> core_cm3.c must be 16249 bytes
2017-01-01T20:09:30 < Laurenceb_> or double glazing/ car insurance sales room
2017-01-01T20:09:57 < Laurenceb_> kakimir confirmed as glazing salesman
2017-01-01T20:10:05 < fenugrec> dongs webarchive ?
2017-01-01T20:10:07 < englishman> dongs: https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/lib/CMSIS/CM3/CoreSupport/core_cm3.c
2017-01-01T20:10:14 < englishman> ?
2017-01-01T20:11:04 < dongs> thats not 16249 bytes.
2017-01-01T20:11:07 < dongs> its ok i found on chinasite
2017-01-01T20:11:13 < englishman> yeah saw that after :(
2017-01-01T20:11:24 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: some epin trollage there
2017-01-01T20:11:43 < Laurenceb_> but I don't know what dark matter has to do with Einstein
2017-01-01T20:12:03 < Laurenceb_> no emdrive page :(
2017-01-01T20:12:19 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: do you like any non horrifying music?
2017-01-01T20:12:58 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: do you like to sell insurance door to door?
2017-01-01T20:13:42 < Kliment> Laurenceb_: look up "industrial musicals"
2017-01-01T20:13:47 < Laurenceb_> http://www.diyfixit.co.uk/images/stories/magazine/10_07/double_glazing_salesmen_article2.jpg
2017-01-01T20:14:00 < Laurenceb_> ^ how I picture kakimir after that "music"
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2017-01-01T20:18:20 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoBLfXPlyPA okay how about gaym sounds?
2017-01-01T20:18:53 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: actually bought such outfit yesterday Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-01T20:20:15 < kakimir> avtually with dark blue shirt and red bow
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2017-01-01T20:23:42 < Laurenceb_> lul this is good http://cnn.com.de/
2017-01-01T20:23:51 < dongs> lul
2017-01-01T20:24:00 < dongs> cracked ST's DMX zip file passwored
2017-01-01T20:24:14 < Laurenceb_> nice
2017-01-01T20:24:15 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_: the uninformed argumen is that they consider the dark matter and dark energy terms as "fudge factors" because our gravitational eqs would be wrong on a univere scale
2017-01-01T20:24:24 < dongs> it was "DMXv1" not very hard
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2017-01-01T20:30:45 < aandrew> altium is so strange
2017-01-01T20:31:06 < aandrew> it's so fucking crashy when bouncing between schematic and board, but if you're sticking around in board you can route your ass off and it's stable as hell
2017-01-01T20:31:20 < dongs> youre holding your mouse wrong
2017-01-01T20:31:32 < dongs> 17 has some new shit that makes sch/pcb jumping more retarded
2017-01-01T20:31:35 < dongs> did you make sure to turn that shit off
2017-01-01T20:31:53 < dongs> do you mean shit like selecting part in sch and waiting for it to select in pcb?
2017-01-01T20:31:58 < dongs> or just alt-tabbing between schematic and pcb
2017-01-01T20:32:26 < aandrew> just bouncing between the two
2017-01-01T20:32:28 < aandrew> I'm still on 16
2017-01-01T20:32:32 < aandrew> haven't jumped to 17
2017-01-01T20:32:32 < dongs> well shit get a second monitor then
2017-01-01T20:32:36 < aandrew> not in the middle of the layout anyway
2017-01-01T20:32:37 < dongs> or third
2017-01-01T20:33:01 < dongs> they finally have a DRC rule for fucking non-thermal'd vias
2017-01-01T20:33:06 < dongs> as in, you can just click "dont thermal vias"
2017-01-01T20:33:09 < dongs> instead of having to make  fucking rul
2017-01-01T20:36:37 < aandrew> orly
2017-01-01T20:36:56 < aandrew> that is a nice change
2017-01-01T20:37:00 < aandrew> what'd they fuck up in 17 though
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2017-01-01T20:40:13 < englishman> it has this thing where it selects a pin first isntead of the component you clicked on
2017-01-01T20:40:38 < englishman> so you click once -> pin selected, click again -> component seleced
2017-01-01T20:41:17 < Rob235> good afternoon 
2017-01-01T20:41:43 < Rob235> are we talkium about alting?
2017-01-01T20:42:21 < Rob235> installed 17 yesterday
2017-01-01T20:45:39 < Steffanx> So how was that valid C, Fleck?
2017-01-01T20:56:58 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/53s4M
2017-01-01T20:57:04 < aandrew> just a few routes left, just being lazy now
2017-01-01T20:57:27 < aandrew> then it's all the fucking silkscreen work
2017-01-01T20:58:02 < Steffanx> At least you added LEDs, one can never have enough of those.
2017-01-01T21:00:34 < aandrew> yeah man
2017-01-01T21:00:42 < aandrew> at least on protos, I have LEDs for fucking everything
2017-01-01T21:01:02 < aandrew> all supply rails, TX/RX/DE lines, various enables/etc.
2017-01-01T21:01:19 < aandrew> and there's always, always (at least) a couple of uncommitted LEDs directly connected to processor pins
2017-01-01T21:01:27 < aandrew> debug via LED 
2017-01-01T21:02:26 < englishman> you can tell it's pro from the standard cortex-m header vs. some lame proprietary connector for $50 cable
2017-01-01T21:03:48 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-01T21:03:55 < aandrew> I fucking hate proprietary shit
2017-01-01T21:04:07 < aandrew> if the cable did something a standard didn't, I'd think about it
2017-01-01T21:04:13 < Steffanx> A boxes header like that is pretty expensive as well..
2017-01-01T21:04:21 < Steffanx> *boxed
2017-01-01T21:04:38 < aandrew> but it's worse than an 0.05" 2x5 in every way 
2017-01-01T21:05:00 < aandrew> you want to do debugging? gotta drill those fucking HUGE holes for retention 
2017-01-01T21:05:12 < aandrew> or use the clip on the bottom which works its way loose
2017-01-01T21:05:30 < aandrew> you want tiny footprint? use a fucking bed of nails and 4 test points. way smaller
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2017-01-01T21:07:03 < aandrew> want to be frou-frou and have spring contacts on the cheap? Use something like isptouch for *way* cheaper
2017-01-01T21:07:18 < aandrew> there's absolutely nothing a tag-connect does except to make some company money
2017-01-01T21:08:36 < Steffanx> Love it when the hate goes this deep :P
2017-01-01T21:08:49 < aandrew> haha
2017-01-01T21:08:53 < aandrew> yeah it's totally irrational
2017-01-01T21:08:55 < aandrew> I admit
2017-01-01T21:08:59 < englishman> its rational
2017-01-01T21:09:01 < aandrew> it just makes me mad
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2017-01-01T21:09:19 < englishman> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/009188006020062/478-5491-1-ND/2024954
2017-01-01T21:09:21 < englishman> from isptouc
2017-01-01T21:09:22 < englishman> neato
2017-01-01T21:09:42 < englishman> us cheapfuck canadians know when we're being had
2017-01-01T21:11:00 < aandrew> every time I see one being used I just think someone bought into the hype
2017-01-01T21:12:24 < Steffanx> I never tried it, so can't really judge.
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2017-01-01T21:14:43 < aandrew>    I have
2017-01-01T21:14:49 < aandrew> it looks great on paper
2017-01-01T21:15:17 < aandrew> and if you don't need retention clips (i.e. you aren't oing to be debugging with it or flashing 2GB flash via JTAG) it's actually not half bad for press down, flash, done
2017-01-01T21:15:36 < aandrew> but the second you need it to stay there you are drilling four gigantic fucking holes which completely eliminates the size advantage of it
2017-01-01T21:16:09 < aandrew> your other option is two smaller holes and a little clip that goes on the bottom, but that only works for about 10 hours or so before the metal starts bending and it no longer holds
2017-01-01T21:16:29 < aandrew> so you resort to wrapping the thing to the board with 30AWG like a spider wraps a fly
2017-01-01T21:16:39 < aandrew> which works until you need to take it off
2017-01-01T21:16:43 < aandrew> it's just fail
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2017-01-01T21:23:41  * karlp $ vi tag-connect-4-lyfe.txt
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2017-01-01T21:27:38 < karlp> fucking markdown.
2017-01-01T21:31:31 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md#proprietary-shit there we are.
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2017-01-01T21:45:08 < ReadErr> lol why the tag connect hate
2017-01-01T21:45:10 < ReadErr> its great
2017-01-01T21:46:18 < ReadErr> the metal clips I got work fine, suprisingly I havent even lost the original yet
2017-01-01T21:48:47 < Steffanx> lol karlp "They are wrong."
2017-01-01T21:52:24 < Laurenceb_> I just use 0.1inch header
2017-01-01T21:52:30 < Laurenceb_> with 4 pins
2017-01-01T21:54:41 < Laurenceb_> well where I only need SWD
2017-01-01T22:01:48 < Laurenceb_> has anyone here ever looked at ntpd absolute accuracy?
2017-01-01T22:02:29  * Laurenceb_ is wondering if ~10ms absolute accuracy is doable
2017-01-01T22:04:10 < Laurenceb_> over ADSL
2017-01-01T22:08:46 < Laurenceb_> http://www.chronos.co.uk/files/pdfs/itsf/2008/Day1/Using_NTP_for_Network_Synchronisation_of_3G_Femtocells_%28Mauro_Fiacco,_Airvana%29.pdf
2017-01-01T22:08:51 < Laurenceb_> this looks interesting
2017-01-01T22:08:58 < Laurenceb_>  200ms jitter O_o
2017-01-01T22:12:21 < Laurenceb_> http://blog.mayer.tv/2016/03/16/ntp-and-adsl.html
2017-01-01T22:22:11 < aandrew> karlp: I like how you quoted me directly
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2017-01-01T22:28:41 < aandrew> I love when alitum's like "shit's not routed, yo" and it's clear as fucking day that yes, it's routed just fine
2017-01-01T22:29:44 < aandrew> also, holy fuck why did I not use dot grids until now
2017-01-01T22:32:39  * Laurenceb_ is confused
2017-01-01T22:32:54 < aandrew> in what way
2017-01-01T22:33:06 < Laurenceb_> tl;dr : error is dominated by ADSL lag asymmetry?
2017-01-01T22:33:11 < Laurenceb_> NTP accuracy ^
2017-01-01T22:33:58 < aandrew> that's odd, becaues NTP has all kinds of software PLLs and shit to help eliminate that
2017-01-01T22:34:01 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should try this
2017-01-01T22:34:14 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: well it can use those to filter jitter
2017-01-01T22:34:34 < Laurenceb_> but it has to ping server and take (ping time)/2 as the lag
2017-01-01T22:35:00 < Laurenceb_> from the results it looks like perhaps ADSL networks are configured to minimize NTP lag effects
2017-01-01T22:35:25 < Laurenceb_> as putting NTP server on ADSL or using tunnelling gives much worse results
2017-01-01T22:36:04 < aandrew> yay, 1015/1015 nets routed
2017-01-01T22:36:20  * Laurenceb_ is trying to design a long baseline interferometry system that will run on Rpi
2017-01-01T22:36:37 < aandrew> interesting. I have no idea what that is but it sounds cool
2017-01-01T22:36:45 < aandrew> "long line" interferometry
2017-01-01T22:36:53 < aandrew> I assume it means you're watching the same thing from two distant locatins
2017-01-01T22:36:55 < aandrew> locations
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2017-01-01T22:42:55 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-01-01T22:43:43 < englishman> karlp: can you add 609-3729-ND to that zypsnip
2017-01-01T22:46:43 < aandrew> karlp: will you accept push requests for that zypsnips repo
2017-01-01T22:47:44 < aandrew> oop[ altium finally crahsed
2017-01-01T22:47:46 < aandrew> out of memory
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2017-01-01T23:05:03 < oz4ga> you are all talking about Altium, is version 16 any good ?
2017-01-01T23:09:57 < oz4ga> oki I never used it. I was a little reluctant about circuitmaker, so I "found" a version w. .alf files 
2017-01-01T23:10:40 < oz4ga> yes but $$$ you know
2017-01-01T23:10:56 < oz4ga> ohh ;)
2017-01-01T23:11:33 < jadew> https://www.tindie.com/products/madworm/tiny-avr-isp-pogo-pin-programming-adapter/?pt=full_prod_search
2017-01-01T23:11:38 < oz4ga> better have another look around in cardboard boxes and what not ;)
2017-01-01T23:11:39 < jadew> ah, scrollback
2017-01-01T23:11:40 < jadew> sorry
2017-01-01T23:12:42 < jadew> yeah, but it's probably fine for quickly programming boards for production
2017-01-01T23:12:53 < jadew> you hold it down for a couple of seconds
2017-01-01T23:13:02 < jadew> then you move to the next board
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2017-01-01T23:15:19 < jadew> edge connectors are best, but you need to route the signals to the edge
2017-01-01T23:16:25 < ohsix> edgy
2017-01-01T23:20:48 < ohsix> PaulFertser: they've got a book that isn't bullshit (the old testament)
2017-01-01T23:23:54 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/de808ccadb7944c1a733d07fa50f881f?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=b513bae5030cfe741338859e66d37aad
2017-01-01T23:24:06 < ohsix> Fleck: lolwut @ skillgun
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2017-01-01T23:28:05 < jadew> add it yourself
2017-01-01T23:33:06 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/discipline.html
2017-01-01T23:34:59 < Laurenceb_> interesting, thanks
2017-01-01T23:35:09 < Laurenceb_> but doesn't discuss ADSL lag
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2017-01-01T23:36:54 < ohsix> it's weird how many people think that ntp sux cuz they don't know shit about this
2017-01-01T23:37:01 < ohsix> why would adsl lag be relevant
2017-01-01T23:37:18 < ReadErr> It accounts for that
2017-01-01T23:37:54 < ReadErr> Multiple pooling servers etc
2017-01-01T23:37:56 < ohsix> heheh speaking of people not knowing shit, openbsd's 'ntp' just does ntpdate over and over, and they call it an ntpd implementation
2017-01-01T23:38:01 < ohsix> no clock discipline
2017-01-01T23:38:10 < ReadErr> Jitter
2017-01-01T23:38:58 < Laurenceb_> jitter can be filtered out
2017-01-01T23:39:08 < Laurenceb_> asymmetric lag seems to crop up on ADSL aiui
2017-01-01T23:39:11 < ohsix> not filtered, just not a hueg error contribution
2017-01-01T23:39:30 < ohsix> but why would the transport matter at all?
2017-01-01T23:40:04 < ohsix> most of the clocks in actual use are connected to a serial port or just provide a pulse each second, and you can sync to that
2017-01-01T23:40:05 < Laurenceb_> because a constant asymmetric lag is impossible to filter out
2017-01-01T23:40:16 < ohsix> you don't filter it out
2017-01-01T23:40:30 < ohsix> both clocks are changing at a regular rate, it's a linear relationship
2017-01-01T23:40:32 < Laurenceb_> but from the few sources I can find its usually <5ms when pinging server _from_ the ADSL
2017-01-01T23:40:43 < ohsix> you tick faster or slower, and are ahead/behind some constant amount
2017-01-01T23:40:47 < Laurenceb_> yeah but they might not be aligned correctly
2017-01-01T23:40:55 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats what I'm worried about
2017-01-01T23:40:56 < ReadErr> If it's that important use a GPS
2017-01-01T23:41:21 < ohsix> do you think the RTT somehow matters?
2017-01-01T23:41:27 < Laurenceb_> heh I'm trying to make it n00b friendly
2017-01-01T23:41:40 < ReadErr> What u doing
2017-01-01T23:41:53 < Laurenceb_> long baseline interferometry
2017-01-01T23:41:59 < Laurenceb_> with RTL SDR
2017-01-01T23:44:23 < ohsix> one thing that will matter is how quickly the clock converges
2017-01-01T23:44:40 < ohsix> which could be longer than you want
2017-01-01T23:46:41 < ohsix> people saying mute instead of moot
2017-01-01T23:46:50 < Fleck> Steffanx: common man, I do not work @ skillgun... ask them! :P
2017-01-01T23:49:33 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyW0CT7WIAUJVkE.jpg
2017-01-01T23:56:25 < Steffanx> but you might know it mr Fleck..
2017-01-01T23:56:45 < ohsix> it's not possible to know, that's why some site that purports to be a skill boost thing but is actually garbage got it so wrong
2017-01-01T23:56:46 < karlp> aandrew: pulls are fine, you wouldn't be the first :)
2017-01-01T23:59:48 < karlp> englishman: done, but why? it's more expensive!
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2017-01-02T00:00:04 < englishman> dono i had to dig around digikey 2013 invoices to find that
2017-01-02T00:00:05 < englishman> no shroud
2017-01-02T00:00:15 < englishman> i still have stock from that orig order
2017-01-02T00:00:15 < Fleck> ohsix: yep... lol and fail in the same time
2017-01-02T00:03:06 < ohsix> keysight assaults youtube producers with free test equipment
2017-01-02T00:03:37 < ohsix> upgrdman is going to be drowning in them soon
2017-01-02T00:04:54 < upgrdman> that'd be nice
2017-01-02T00:05:00 < upgrdman> i could use a spec anal
2017-01-02T00:05:16 < ohsix> hurr haven't seen many of those
2017-01-02T00:05:20 < ohsix> but scopes ya
2017-01-02T00:06:51 < ohsix> i guess he does have nearly 500k subs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GopZJKdCqrA
2017-01-02T00:07:06 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/zf8i6v5q007y.jpg
2017-01-02T00:07:19 < ohsix> i've seen unlikely stuff on smaller channels but none com et omind
2017-01-02T00:08:07 < kakimir> this explains it all upgrdman 
2017-01-02T00:11:12 < jadew> I've been saying wyoever made PHP was an idiot for more than a decade
2017-01-02T00:11:18 < jadew> *that whoever
2017-01-02T00:11:38 < upgrdman> anyone know what tables/desks these are? http://imgur.com/a/YeV3b
2017-01-02T00:12:37 < ohsix> hurr
2017-01-02T00:12:43 < jadew> upgrdman, they look nice
2017-01-02T00:12:46 < ohsix> i was on #php way back in the day, when it was cool
2017-01-02T00:12:49 < jadew> good for the lab
2017-01-02T00:12:55 < upgrdman> exactly
2017-01-02T00:13:05 < ohsix> he's said worse, those quote sall look recent
2017-01-02T00:13:27 < ohsix> their bug reporting junk used to have way too much chatter on it, you could probably find better
2017-01-02T00:13:27 < upgrdman> i want deep tables, with quality tops (not veneers or pardickhole board)
2017-01-02T00:13:42 < jadew> upgrdman, you could look for similar frames at one of those places that sell wood and shit for windows & co
2017-01-02T00:13:57 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-02T00:13:57 < jadew> and just buy the frame + a piece of wood from them
2017-01-02T00:14:00 < aandrew> upgrdman: apparently they're called "room and board" desks
2017-01-02T00:14:11 < aandrew> nice deep desks though
2017-01-02T00:14:37 < jadew> I think buying the frame + the wood separately is the cheapest for the best quality
2017-01-02T00:14:44 < jadew> and you get whever size you need
2017-01-02T00:15:12 < jadew> nah, they're fine if he's using 1024x768 :P
2017-01-02T00:15:14 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ya monitors dont need to be pressed up against the wall like he did
2017-01-02T00:15:24 < upgrdman> i use an arm
2017-01-02T00:15:29 < upgrdman> <3
2017-01-02T00:15:43 < sync_> it's not bad, probably like 80cm
2017-01-02T00:15:48 < sync_> that is a reasonable distance
2017-01-02T00:17:08 < jadew> I could never sit too close to the monitor
2017-01-02T00:17:20 < sync_> I never move mine
2017-01-02T00:17:22 < ohsix> deep desking
2017-01-02T00:17:22 < sync_> so eh
2017-01-02T00:17:24 < sync_> whatever
2017-01-02T00:17:35 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, it looks like you have a Siamese cat trapped in a bag on your desk
2017-01-02T00:17:53 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul lab embiggened one, i got to manspread all over it yesterday
2017-01-02T00:18:15 < ohsix> they're going to build some other ones that are to be kept clear for assembly tho
2017-01-02T00:18:26 < ohsix> only got to use it naked cuz the stuff hadn't been put back on top of it
2017-01-02T00:19:29 < jadew> any of you keep the keyboard on your lap?
2017-01-02T00:21:21 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/KaleidoscopicPreciousGermanshorthairedpointer
2017-01-02T00:24:40 < sync_> "4k"
2017-01-02T00:25:08 < ohsix> jadew: only when it is part of a laptop
2017-01-02T00:25:12 < ohsix> /rarely
2017-01-02T00:25:58 < sync_> I have 24" 4k screens, wouldn't want to go bigger
2017-01-02T00:27:43 < sync_> I sure gain realestate
2017-01-02T00:27:49 < sync_> as I can make my fonts smaller
2017-01-02T00:28:46 < jadew> you make your font twice as small, you get twice as close to the screen
2017-01-02T00:28:58 < sync_> I never understood why people want big screens, they do nothing but give you bad ppi
2017-01-02T00:29:02 < jadew> 16k - 10 cm viewing distance
2017-01-02T00:29:23 < aandrew> I don't move my monitors but I do sit fairly close
2017-01-02T00:29:27 < jadew> you can have lots of code on the screen that way
2017-01-02T00:29:39 < sync_> LeelooMinai: I think I run something like 3.6mm
2017-01-02T00:29:45 < jadew> I sit far from them and I have a shitty resolution
2017-01-02T00:29:51 < jadew> because of that, I'd like bigger monitors
2017-01-02T00:30:02 < jadew> like a 3 x 30"
2017-01-02T00:30:08 < jadew> -a
2017-01-02T00:30:27 < jadew> then I could have my silly resolution and keep my position at the desk
2017-01-02T00:30:31 < jadew> and I'd have real estate too
2017-01-02T00:30:50 < sync_> I don't sit close to my monitors
2017-01-02T00:31:01 < jadew> I think it's better for your eyes to sit as far as possible
2017-01-02T00:31:08 < sync_> I did not
2017-01-02T00:31:09 < ReadErr> Who had that super fucked up setup
2017-01-02T00:31:09 < aandrew> I have a pair of 2048x1152 Syncmaster 2343s stacked vertically. that's my main workstation
2017-01-02T00:31:19 < aandrew> then the laptop has a 1080p 22 or 23" attached
2017-01-02T00:31:22 < ReadErr> I thought it was jadew
2017-01-02T00:31:25 < jadew> ReadErr, in what way?
2017-01-02T00:31:26 < ohsix> another 2434 pal
2017-01-02T00:31:31 < ohsix> 2343
2017-01-02T00:31:36 < ohsix> i've got one
2017-01-02T00:31:37 < jadew> ReadErr, if you're talking about the distance, then yeah, me
2017-01-02T00:31:38 < ReadErr> Monitors
2017-01-02T00:31:47 < aandrew> thesea re like 6y old, love 'em
2017-01-02T00:31:56 < ohsix> costco had them for like 120$ way back, only got one tho
2017-01-02T00:32:03 < ohsix> yup
2017-01-02T00:32:09 < upgrdman> i kinda wish they'd make 4K ultrawide displays. like 6500x2160 or someshit. guess we'll have to wait for gtx10series and other DP1.4 cards to become commonplace
2017-01-02T00:32:10 < sync_> I don't have bad eys LeelooMinai
2017-01-02T00:32:19 < sync_> ~eyes
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2017-01-02T00:32:37 < sync_> sure, but I'm allowed to enjoy my vision while I have it?
2017-01-02T00:32:40 < ReadErr> I have a double stack of 24" 4k
2017-01-02T00:32:57 < ReadErr> Top bottom
2017-01-02T00:32:59 < jadew> 24" in wide format is tiny
2017-01-02T00:33:12 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i have a 24" 4k monitor at work. great. i use display scaling, but that's just because i like 4K for the crisp text, not the real estate
2017-01-02T00:33:15 < ohsix> 'the latest trend in gaming and productivity'
2017-01-02T00:33:23 < ReadErr> And a 28" 4k
2017-01-02T00:33:42 < sync_> LeelooMinai: I don't assume them to have super vision, but 20-20 is perfectly acheivable
2017-01-02T00:34:05 < jadew> 28" sounds better, unless it's ultra wide
2017-01-02T00:34:27 < sync_> yes, my eyes are better than 20/20
2017-01-02T00:34:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: lg has some
2017-01-02T00:35:18 < ohsix> sync_: careful she'll make it a thing about her, and no you can't enjoy your vision
2017-01-02T00:35:27 < jadew> going to get some rice and I'll watch another chinese movie
2017-01-02T00:35:55 < sync_> aww ohsix 
2017-01-02T00:36:07 < sync_> I guess I'll have to stab me in my eyes now
2017-01-02T00:36:37 < ohsix> http://www.newegg.com/UltraWide-Monitors/PromotionStore/ID-736?name=UltraWide-21:9 what is this shit
2017-01-02T00:36:52 < ohsix> oh ic, the link i clicked on was for an ad, not for a product
2017-01-02T00:36:56 < ohsix> r i p newegg
2017-01-02T00:38:23 < ohsix> upgrdman: lg has some with 1600 vert resolution, but i dont' see any 2k
2017-01-02T00:39:22 < ohsix> 16:9 is p. good with two up view, you'd almost want a 4 up view or something with an ultrawide ones
2017-01-02T00:39:28 < ReadErr> No apps are designed to use widescreen really
2017-01-02T00:39:58 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-02T00:40:05 < ohsix> you mean nothing people do really uses widescreen
2017-01-02T00:40:13 < ohsix> even paper is 8.5x11
2017-01-02T00:40:18 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: how
2017-01-02T00:40:21 < ohsix> no really wide books
2017-01-02T00:40:29 < ReadErr> Toolbar always on top typically
2017-01-02T00:40:35 < ohsix> if they were wide enough you could run it past like a tape to read it
2017-01-02T00:41:26 < ReadErr> Rather have very responsible
2017-01-02T00:41:39 < ReadErr> Than horizontal
2017-01-02T00:42:01 < upgrdman> ohsix, thats what i mean. i see no 2160p ultrawide
2017-01-02T00:42:09 < upgrdman> prolly cause most cards can support it.
2017-01-02T00:42:12 < ReadErr> Bring back 4:3
2017-01-02T00:42:30 < sync_> 1:1
2017-01-02T00:42:31 < upgrdman> but gtx10 sereis can do 8k60, 4k120, so should be able to easily do 4k ultrawide at 60hz
2017-01-02T00:42:33 < sync_> is best :D
2017-01-02T00:42:38 < ohsix> binding of isaac stretched to 21:9 is probably great
2017-01-02T00:42:38 < ReadErr> Master ratio
2017-01-02T00:42:54 < ReadErr> Why wide anyways
2017-01-02T00:43:03 < ohsix> you can put things next to eachother
2017-01-02T00:43:08 < ReadErr> Can't see any compelling reason
2017-01-02T00:43:11 < ohsix> and they both (or more) stay visible
2017-01-02T00:43:13 < sync_> yeah upgrdman I wondered about that as well
2017-01-02T00:43:18 < ReadErr> Besides movie shit
2017-01-02T00:43:30 < ohsix> do you work at all on computers huhuu
2017-01-02T00:43:44 < ohsix> ultrawide just hides a seam
2017-01-02T00:43:58 < ohsix> plus you maybe have fewer monitors to fuck with
2017-01-02T00:44:08 < upgrdman> no seam is a big deal
2017-01-02T00:44:15 < upgrdman> so much less destracting
2017-01-02T00:44:49 < ohsix> i dunno if even that is true anymore, i thought so back in the day but that's when they were different color temperatures and shit too lul
2017-01-02T00:45:25 < ohsix> but at the lab the 3d printer computer is basically a tv, and a small 3:4 dell off to the side, solvespace pallete goes over there, and the printer controls when the big one has the model junk up
2017-01-02T00:45:53 < ohsix> don't really use that dell all that much tho, just like a junk bin to throw stuff i want to see
2017-01-02T00:46:21 < ohsix> one thing i've noticed in LUNIX, how they group windows together in new desktop junk (like gnome shell) it's a lot more usable across multiple monitors
2017-01-02T00:46:25 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, then you have to turn your head a lot. ideal would prolly be a circular screen, slightly concave. but that'd be fucking annoying to make or use
2017-01-02T00:46:41 < ohsix> on win10 you have dumb focus rules and frankly dumb apps, if you click on one all their windows come forward on all the monitors
2017-01-02T00:47:03 < ReadErr> why did they decide to change aspect ratios though
2017-01-02T00:47:05 < ohsix> so if you have two apps with peer windows and you want to watch one of them on the spare, they can't overlap
2017-01-02T00:47:08 < ReadErr> what was the push ?
2017-01-02T00:47:12 < ohsix> change?
2017-01-02T00:47:13 < upgrdman> ReadErr, movies
2017-01-02T00:47:23 < upgrdman> and reusing tv panels for montiros -> cheaper
2017-01-02T00:47:24 < ReadErr> ohsix: older shit was all 4:3
2017-01-02T00:47:33 < ohsix> why was it 4:3?
2017-01-02T00:47:45 < ReadErr> ohsix: because god said so
2017-01-02T00:47:53 < ohsix> or was it
2017-01-02T00:47:56 < ohsix> ELECTRON BEAMS
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2017-01-02T00:48:49 < ohsix> the shit is all made up anyways
2017-01-02T00:49:01 < sync_> upgrdman: that is why you use three monitors
2017-01-02T00:49:28 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-02T00:49:35 < ohsix> that it is a ratio at all advises how they're used and thought about, you don' tnecessarily pick a value, but the one that is the most useful/best coverage for the thing it is going to do
2017-01-02T00:49:38 < ReadErr> rather have 2 stacked in the middle
2017-01-02T00:49:42 < sync_> I find constant head support very annoying
2017-01-02T00:49:43 < ReadErr> and 1 vert off to each side
2017-01-02T00:49:47 < ReadErr> |=|
2017-01-02T00:49:53 < upgrdman> sync_, me too
2017-01-02T00:50:05 < ohsix> head support?
2017-01-02T00:51:01 < sync_> I have an ergonomic chair
2017-01-02T00:51:06 < sync_> I just rest my head when I want to
2017-01-02T00:51:16 < sync_> which is not very often
2017-01-02T00:51:19 < ohsix> o
2017-01-02T00:51:36 < ohsix> i have an ergonomic bed, i lay down and fall asleep
2017-01-02T00:52:27 < sync_> yes
2017-01-02T00:52:30 < sync_> obviously
2017-01-02T00:52:30 < ohsix> i usually get up or stop for the day if i'm at that point
2017-01-02T00:52:40 < ohsix> shit isn't going to go good
2017-01-02T00:54:04 < ohsix> there are jobs that are chill like that, where you don't really need to use the stuff around you to do your work, just look at it
2017-01-02T00:55:23 < sync_> LeelooMinai: my chair is perfectly fine, I just don't like to rest my head
2017-01-02T00:55:34 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huPFUQNjCbY&t=25s
2017-01-02T00:55:37 < sync_> it's not like the neck wasn't made for supporting the head
2017-01-02T00:56:08 < ohsix> there's noc junk where you can do $anything cuz it's a job where you mostly kill time
2017-01-02T00:56:19 < ohsix> friend had this huge speaker system and shit at his desk huhu
2017-01-02T00:58:04 < sync_> I move it often enough, it has not been a problem
2017-01-02T00:58:48 < aandrew> hm
2017-01-02T00:58:50 < aandrew> in alitum
2017-01-02T00:58:55 < aandrew> I change the designator of a component
2017-01-02T00:59:02 < aandrew> it shows FOO2 (FOO1)
2017-01-02T00:59:08 < aandrew> with the parens smaller and faded
2017-01-02T00:59:14 < aandrew> I thought you just recompield to make that go away
2017-01-02T00:59:15 < ohsix> mechanized chicken killer
2017-01-02T00:59:25 < aandrew> it won't fucking go away
2017-01-02T00:59:30 < aandrew> and the layotu won't update either
2017-01-02T00:59:56 < aandrew> if I change it in the layout (meaning I think that a component link is busted) it changes it back to the (FOO1) designator so it's definitely linked
2017-01-02T01:01:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, the video must be terrifying for girl chickens to watch
2017-01-02T01:01:03 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-02T01:01:48 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: is that thing a gun or a telescope?
2017-01-02T01:02:16 < aandrew> dont' know
2017-01-02T01:02:25 < aandrew> deleted the fucking component and readded it in schematic and it's behaving
2017-01-02T01:02:53 < ohsix> are the comments even linked?
2017-01-02T01:03:38 < ohsix> sounds similar to ida which has a few different types of comments and they aren't linked lul, you have to actually go in and remove the old one to change the type
2017-01-02T01:04:24 < aandrew> they were definitely linked
2017-01-02T01:04:28 < aandrew> that was my first suspicion as weell
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2017-01-02T01:10:06 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Kirika_ma_cos/status/815232956595728384
2017-01-02T01:15:14 < kakimir> in japan cats are not dicks
2017-01-02T01:15:30 < ohsix> unless you need your arm
2017-01-02T01:15:41 < kakimir> right arm in this case
2017-01-02T01:19:45 < ReadErr> this Frontline Exodus ep is nuts 
2017-01-02T01:29:15 < aandrew> ok I always fuck this up
2017-01-02T01:29:17 < aandrew> in plain old RS232
2017-01-02T01:29:19 < aandrew> DB9
2017-01-02T01:29:42 < aandrew> pin 2 is TXD (computer -> modem) and 3 is RXD (modem -> computer)?
2017-01-02T01:30:11 < aandrew> nope backward
2017-01-02T01:30:13 < aandrew> see I fucked it up again
2017-01-02T01:32:44 < sync_> always add a jumper station where you can change that
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2017-01-02T01:34:06 < aandrew> yes, it's already done
2017-01-02T01:34:09 < aandrew> I was marking the silkscreen
2017-01-02T01:36:05 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/MHIOJ
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2017-01-02T01:53:24 < upgrdman> aandrew, part num for that nice top-entry mini usb port?
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2017-01-02T02:11:50 < englishman> found aandrew's website http://www.betztechnik.ca/store/p18/Affordable_custom_PCB_design_-_COMPLEX.html
2017-01-02T02:23:23 < zyp> heh, mini
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2017-01-02T02:54:12 < zyp> aandrew, the old designator go away after you've done a design update
2017-01-02T02:58:47 < ohsix> oh man i just realized all the japanese people ive run into here
2017-01-02T02:58:56 < ohsix> i could have made tha tbutt finger gesture
2017-01-02T02:59:02 < ohsix> and they'd totally know what it was
2017-01-02T02:59:20 < ohsix> kancho
2017-01-02T03:00:43 < ReadErr> uhhhhhhh
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2017-01-02T03:09:43 < ohsix> KAN-CHOOOOOOO
2017-01-02T03:09:57 < ohsix> i wouldn't do it, but i'm sure it would be well received
2017-01-02T03:12:06 < ReadErr> no idea wat that is
2017-01-02T03:15:17 < ohsix> http://tinkering.exploratorium.edu/musical-bench
2017-01-02T03:15:29 < ohsix> ReadErr: i know a few ways you can find out
2017-01-02T03:15:53 < ohsix> Kanchō (カンチョー?) is a Japanese prank performed by clasping the hands together in the shape of an imaginary gun and attempting to poke an unsuspecting victim's anus, often while exclaiming "Kan-CHO!".[1]
2017-01-02T03:16:16 < ReadErr> what LeelooMinai said
2017-01-02T03:16:19 < ReadErr> no idea how it was related to anything said
2017-01-02T03:16:31 < ohsix> who what
2017-01-02T03:17:02 < ReadErr> lol you using ignore now too?
2017-01-02T03:17:19 < ohsix> yea, like i ignore garbage, put it in a bag and stick it outside
2017-01-02T03:17:19 < ReadErr> anyone used any hx711 replacement 
2017-01-02T03:17:37 < ohsix> not me
2017-01-02T03:17:42 < ohsix> have 711's but haven't used them yet
2017-01-02T03:17:55 < ReadErr> ive used them and got a driver etc
2017-01-02T03:17:57 < ohsix> are you just looking for another part?
2017-01-02T03:18:01 < ReadErr> but was wondering if anything better came out
2017-01-02T03:18:20 < ohsix> better things existed when the hx711 was introduced lul
2017-01-02T03:18:27 < ohsix> but ti is cheap and has a 24 butt converter
2017-01-02T03:19:59 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w0qiqvEFpM
2017-01-02T03:20:22 < ohsix> filthy frank - the person that has interesting content but nothing ic an ever tell anyone
2017-01-02T03:21:04 < ohsix> ReadErr: wat are you using them with
2017-01-02T03:21:17 < ReadErr> loadcells
2017-01-02T03:22:04 < ohsix> you need more than 90sps or something?
2017-01-02T03:26:11 < ReadErr> ohsix: nah but something that would tolerate more than 5.5v
2017-01-02T03:26:17 < ReadErr> would be nice
2017-01-02T03:26:31 < ohsix> eh
2017-01-02T03:26:43 < ohsix> don't you use them in a bridge configuration anyways, for load cells
2017-01-02T03:27:26 < ohsix> you can just use a resistor divider otherwise
2017-01-02T03:27:35 < ohsix> 24butts even with a 5v limit is still a ton
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2017-01-02T03:28:35 < ReadErr> also stuff like temp and drift compensation maybe
2017-01-02T03:28:45 < ReadErr> idk just figured there might have been something better
2017-01-02T03:28:54 < ReadErr> the hx711 works pretty okay
2017-01-02T03:30:47 < ReadErr> https://www.instagram.com/p/6Ek48hykSE/
2017-01-02T03:31:49 < ReadErr> kinda funny with its dataready
2017-01-02T03:32:11 < ohsix> i don't know of anything aside from the 711 that is specifically for load cell type stuff
2017-01-02T03:34:18 < ReadErr> had kawaiiOS threaded so it would grab fresh data once the line went low rather than polling at intervals 
2017-01-02T03:34:29 < ohsix> huh
2017-01-02T03:34:37 < ohsix> are you drinking
2017-01-02T03:34:42 < ReadErr> no
2017-01-02T03:34:45 < ReadErr> not yet anyways
2017-01-02T03:34:48 < ohsix> what is kawaiios
2017-01-02T03:34:50 < ReadErr> chibios
2017-01-02T03:34:58 < ohsix> o
2017-01-02T03:35:15 < ReadErr> rtos
2017-01-02T03:35:19 < ohsix> to digikey: show me all them load sensors
2017-01-02T03:35:20 < ohsix> right
2017-01-02T03:35:34 < ReadErr> strain gauge 
2017-01-02T03:35:38 < ReadErr> they are called too
2017-01-02T03:36:08 < ohsix> racist
2017-01-02T03:36:14 < ohsix> i know, i need to order some
2017-01-02T03:36:22 < aandrew> zyp: hm
2017-01-02T03:36:27 < aandrew> you're right, that is mini usb, not micro
2017-01-02T03:36:30 < aandrew> fuck a duck
2017-01-02T03:36:44 < aandrew> zyp: molex 500075-008
2017-01-02T03:36:56 < aandrew> usb micro is suitable for OTG isn't it?
2017-01-02T03:37:14 < ohsix> http://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/data-acquisition-analog-to-digital-converters-adc/700?k=&pkeyword=&pv474=85&pv474=159&FV=ffe002bc%2C264000b%2C2640013%2C2640014%2C2640016%2C2640044%2C2640047%2C2640056&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25
2017-01-02T03:37:28 < aandrew> 3.75 samples per second? heh
2017-01-02T03:37:33 < ohsix> you could probably go by converter type
2017-01-02T03:38:34 < ReadErr> aandrew: me?
2017-01-02T03:38:37 < aandrew> no, I gotta put the right connector up there
2017-01-02T03:38:43 < aandrew> no, upgrdman ^^
2017-01-02T03:38:46 < ReadErr> o
2017-01-02T03:40:15 < aandrew> wuerth makes http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/wurth-electronics-inc/614105150621/732-5959-1-ND/5047552
2017-01-02T03:40:20 < aandrew> which is micro vertical
2017-01-02T03:40:21 < aandrew> wonder if it fits
2017-01-02T03:40:24 < aandrew> doubtful
2017-01-02T03:40:25 < ohsix> here you go ReadErr http://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/data-acquisition-analog-to-digital-converters-adc/700?k=&pkeyword=&pv5=12674&pv5=13653&pv5=12753&FV=264000b%2C2640013%2C2640014%2C2640016%2C2640044%2C2640047%2C2640056%2C17cc0008%2Cffe002bc%2C7680055%2C768009f&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25
2017-01-02T03:40:31 < ohsix> no idea which is better ;]
2017-01-02T03:41:26 < aandrew> englishman: lol at my website
2017-01-02T03:41:28 < ReadErr> ohsix: yea I know I can use an ADC but was mostly curious if there was a product just for this application
2017-01-02T03:41:45 < ohsix> they're all worse based on price
2017-01-02T03:41:46 < ReadErr> that could handle calibration settings etc
2017-01-02T03:41:52 < ohsix> yea, some of these are
2017-01-02T03:41:54 < upgrdman> aandrew, ever seen usb connectors there were bottom-entry? e.g. you have a hole in the pcb, and the usb cable goes through the hole and into the SMD connector?
2017-01-02T03:42:01 < ReadErr> and offset things based on the temperature
2017-01-02T03:42:10 < ReadErr> since it will drift as it warms up slightly
2017-01-02T03:42:11 < upgrdman> would make pcb-as-front-panel very convenient
2017-01-02T03:42:14 < ohsix> having differential input and a sigma delta convert = ~basically for this task
2017-01-02T03:43:09 < ohsix> if you go to $vendor and browse by application area you can see what they think the devices is marketed for by segment
2017-01-02T03:43:54 < aandrew> upgrdman: no
2017-01-02T03:44:00 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-02T03:44:00 < aandrew> I'm sure they exist and are pricey
2017-01-02T03:44:04 < ReadErr> https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3396
2017-01-02T03:45:26 < ReadErr> The MAX1452 was designed primarily for the silicon Piezo-Resistive Transducers (PRTs) often used in sensing pressure. It incorporates four 16-bit delta-sigma DACs (D-A converters), a temperature sensor, and temperature-indexed coefficient tables for performing temperature compensation and linearization of bridge sensors (Figure 4). Temperature compensation
2017-01-02T03:45:26 < ReadErr> and amplification are accomplished with an analog signal path between the sensing element and the voltage output. This IC readily accommodates foil or thick film strain gauges with the addition of minimal external circuitry to provide a voltage-based excitation and extra current-drive capability for the Wheatstone bridge.
2017-01-02T03:46:05 < ohsix> ya tha tlast digikey link picked temp sensor ones
2017-01-02T03:47:24 < ReadErr> I need to find a better cell or something though first
2017-01-02T03:47:30 < ohsix> heh wut onsemi changed
2017-01-02T03:47:41 < ReadErr> repeatability is pretty not great on the cheapo china shits
2017-01-02T03:48:18 < Rob235> so I'm watching this 100 minute video on altium and he says its about the software and not design so he doesn't get into why he chooses the pad sizes he does (goes by the specs then sometimes alters them) is that for tolerance and stuff or what?
2017-01-02T03:48:33 < zyp> oh by the way, why does your board have three rounded corners and one straight?
2017-01-02T03:49:04 < aandrew> zyp: mine?
2017-01-02T03:49:08 < aandrew> that's what they requested
2017-01-02T03:49:10 < ohsix> Rob235: pad sizes are from design rules and what the part that goes in them does
2017-01-02T03:49:19 < Rob235> design rules, thats the term
2017-01-02T03:49:23 < Rob235> how do you learn those :)
2017-01-02T03:49:44 < ReadErr> depends on your board house
2017-01-02T03:49:50 < ReadErr> how tight/small you can go
2017-01-02T03:49:57 < ReadErr> which depends on how much $$ you want to pay
2017-01-02T03:50:00 < Rob235> ohhh thats all? I see
2017-01-02T03:50:10 < ReadErr> in terms of minimums yea
2017-01-02T03:50:13 < Rob235> oh
2017-01-02T03:50:14 < Rob235> heh
2017-01-02T03:50:15 < Rob235> so there is more
2017-01-02T03:50:35 < ReadErr> which pads exactly
2017-01-02T03:50:37 < ohsix> googling pcb pad size
2017-01-02T03:50:46 < ReadErr> for footprints go w/ what the mfg suggest
2017-01-02T03:50:52 < ReadErr> or use the footprint wizard 
2017-01-02T03:51:06 < Rob235> I was looking for the spot he mentioned it so I could go back but its an hour and 40 min, im' not going through it all to find it
2017-01-02T03:51:34 < Rob235> ok no big deal then, just figured if it was something I really needed to know it would stand out and you guys would mention it so I guess its on a case by case basis with different variables
2017-01-02T03:51:52 < ReadErr> what pads?
2017-01-02T03:52:14 < Rob235> what do you mean? he was just making different components in altium that had different pad sizes
2017-01-02T03:52:20 < ReadErr> for resistors/caps, wrong pad sizes can make assembly a real pain the ass
2017-01-02T03:52:34 < ReadErr> look at the IPC specs
2017-01-02T03:52:35 < ohsix> depending on how the vendorr makes em, there's probably going to be a restriction on pad size for pth and junk
2017-01-02T03:52:42 < Rob235> I'm saying he made them bigger than what the datasheet said
2017-01-02T03:52:48 < Rob235> im guessing its not really a big deal
2017-01-02T03:52:54 < ReadErr> it can be
2017-01-02T03:52:57 < ohsix> bottom line you can do whatever you want
2017-01-02T03:52:59 < Rob235> unless in certain cases which I dont need to know right now
2017-01-02T03:53:01 < Rob235> which is all im saying
2017-01-02T03:53:10 < ohsix> but costs and the actual circuit will end up constraining you
2017-01-02T03:53:11 < ReadErr> tombstoning is a PITA
2017-01-02T03:53:25 < ReadErr> or component boners
2017-01-02T03:53:37 < Rob235> anyway, pizza is getting cold, i'll be back later 
2017-01-02T03:54:07 < ohsix> get the design rule junk from some board place
2017-01-02T03:54:29 < ReadErr> sounds like hes talking about component pads not vias n shit
2017-01-02T03:55:16 < ohsix> rite
2017-01-02T03:55:53 < ohsix> http://www.eurocircuits.com/clientmedia/ecImage/pages/pcb-prototype-and-small-batch-services/ec-design-guidelines.pdf heheh 'viafill'
2017-01-02T03:56:42 < ReadErr> yea my guy will work w/ me on that
2017-01-02T03:56:45 < ReadErr> how thick of a mask
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2017-01-02T03:57:11 < ohsix> ooh
2017-01-02T03:57:17 < ohsix> i forgot they call them strain gauge amplifiers
2017-01-02T03:57:25 < ohsix> that's even more a specific criteria
2017-01-02T03:57:39 < ReadErr> I want a sub-mg balance
2017-01-02T03:57:55 < ohsix> sub ohm
2017-01-02T03:58:02 < ReadErr> vapeup
2017-01-02T03:58:09 < ohsix> http://www.ti.com/lit/ml/slyp163/slyp163.pdf
2017-01-02T03:58:24 < ohsix> i need to actually do some of this poop
2017-01-02T03:58:32 < ohsix> peopel at the lab need some of these converters for experiments
2017-01-02T04:00:19 < ReadErr> need to look into the film gauges 
2017-01-02T04:01:19 < ohsix> what are you measuring tho
2017-01-02T04:01:35 < ohsix> o man i thought of a cool bike thing when i was dicking with that scooter
2017-01-02T04:02:06 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/O5HyL9uO/loady.png
2017-01-02T04:02:07 < ohsix> inductive pickup on the teeth, it would be really small and mounting wouldn't be a problem; i can infer all the shit i wanted to know about the gearing from the ratio of the readings of the two sensors
2017-01-02T04:02:10 < ReadErr> not too great 
2017-01-02T04:03:25 < ohsix> and i've got the 3d printer so brackets ahoy
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2017-01-02T04:06:05 < kOStiX> just finished drilling this board http://imgur.com/a/X6J2Z
2017-01-02T04:06:20 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-02T04:06:40 < ohsix> i forgot what you were doign for those, that's at home etch and shit too right?
2017-01-02T04:06:54 < kOStiX> yah done at home
2017-01-02T04:07:01 < kOStiX> its a sound synthesizer
2017-01-02T04:07:10 < ohsix> right
2017-01-02T04:07:29 < ohsix> ReadErr: http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/application-note/an96fa.pdf
2017-01-02T04:08:00 < ohsix> linear should publish their databooks again, print them on demand and ask a fair price (likely pretty high)
2017-01-02T04:08:12 < ohsix> i have some old ones, they're great to read
2017-01-02T04:08:31 < ohsix> bunch of shi tlike this just published in a book, edited and arranged like a journal might
2017-01-02T04:08:50 < ReadErr> TI still does that I think
2017-01-02T04:09:06 < ohsix> not like linear
2017-01-02T04:09:10 < ohsix> also where
2017-01-02T04:09:24 < ReadErr> or some stuff, the engineering notebooks orw/e
2017-01-02T04:09:29 < ohsix> linear does hard card inserts in electronics magazines
2017-01-02T04:09:44 < ohsix> you can tear em out and put them in a 3 ring binder
2017-01-02T04:12:01 < ohsix> newayz if you're having a problem with the voltage swing, you probably want a different strain gauge, something stiffer for bigger loads
2017-01-02T04:12:53 < dongs> dongulate
2017-01-02T04:13:00 < ReadErr> I need something less stiff for the range I want
2017-01-02T04:13:37 < ohsix> unrelated to voltage limit?
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2017-01-02T04:13:54 < ohsix> FurNIC provides the alternative domain name .fur. Its resolution is provided by OpenNIC.
2017-01-02T04:13:55 < ohsix> lul
2017-01-02T04:14:02 < ReadErr> higher voltage would give me more resolution on the low end
2017-01-02T04:15:12 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-02T04:15:32 < ohsix> you can scale/shift the output at will, to suit how you want to read it
2017-01-02T04:16:06 < ohsix> y=Ax+c bruh
2017-01-02T04:16:28 < ohsix> but you can have a nonlinear map too
2017-01-02T04:16:55 < ohsix> what you're implying tho, IME, is a different transducer
2017-01-02T04:17:06 < ohsix> you wouldn't necessarily get any benefit from trying to be clever
2017-01-02T04:19:21 < Spirit532> ReadErr, think about it
2017-01-02T04:19:31 < Spirit532> if someone got a fur TLD
2017-01-02T04:19:37 < Spirit532> it means they've spent roughly $110 000
2017-01-02T04:19:38 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-02T04:19:50 < ReadErr> u mean ohsix ?
2017-01-02T04:20:17 < Spirit532> huh?
2017-01-02T04:20:19 < ReadErr> also: fuck manufactures that dont list prices and no place sells their shit
2017-01-02T04:20:37 < ReadErr> http://www.smdsensors.com/Products/Low-Range-Force-Sensors-Grams-to-10s-of-Grams-Full-Scale/
2017-01-02T04:28:38 < dongs> vape sensors?
2017-01-02T04:29:15 < aandrew> there, replaced that stupid mini AB with micro AB
2017-01-02T04:29:15 < ReadErr> could be 
2017-01-02T04:29:27 < ReadErr> wonder how much scorp is used in 1 hit
2017-01-02T04:29:48 < zyp> aandrew, why micro AB?
2017-01-02T04:29:59 < dongs> why not USB-C
2017-01-02T04:30:03 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-02T04:30:12 < zyp> I'd do C for anything OTG now
2017-01-02T04:30:43 < aandrew> not gonna fuck around with C yet
2017-01-02T04:34:11 < zyp> micro-A-stuff seems like a hassle to deal with
2017-01-02T04:35:20 < zyp> and for OTG C you can just throw on that adapter chip dongs found
2017-01-02T04:37:15 < englishman> most of my micro cables have worn out
2017-01-02T04:37:19 < englishman> cant move to C fast enough
2017-01-02T04:39:33 < aandrew> ohsix: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/One_Thousand_Years_of_Death
2017-01-02T04:39:47 < aandrew> zyp: I liked micro-A/AB whatever it was
2017-01-02T04:39:51 < aandrew> er mini
2017-01-02T04:39:56 < aandrew> micro seems too small and easyt o break
2017-01-02T04:40:00 < aandrew> I have nothing C yet
2017-01-02T04:41:10 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/5cc83f291b0b2e0fb45e87aed2035874642a80c4bcff075a74360350bfcf0329.gif
2017-01-02T04:41:19 < Laurenceb_> Alex Jones on suicide watch
2017-01-02T04:41:42 < englishman> nice missile strike Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-02T04:41:49 < ohsix> ReadErr: you gotta call them, you can usually get stuff for free anyways
2017-01-02T04:42:22 < Laurenceb_> muh 100feet long missile
2017-01-02T04:43:14 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/6a7f67f31b1d8cd8ce8ddbd90f5d03fa83e47c424a2336cc6fb1d478a305457c.jpg
2017-01-02T04:43:19 < Laurenceb_> epin troll is epin
2017-01-02T04:44:05 < emeb_mac> dongs: ordered some R820T2 from aliexpress today - doing some RF stuffs
2017-01-02T04:44:26 < emeb_mac> dongs: didn't you use some of those a while back?
2017-01-02T04:44:34 < dongs> yes
2017-01-02T04:44:44 < dongs> datasheet reference schematic works pretty good
2017-01-02T04:45:03 < emeb_mac> dongs: cool - was wondering if that was enough.
2017-01-02T04:45:17 < dongs> yep. was easy, worked out of the box
2017-01-02T04:45:19 < aandrew> oh for fuck sakes
2017-01-02T04:45:22 < aandrew> altium you piece of shit
2017-01-02T04:45:30 < aandrew> I reannotate, back annotate and shit's good
2017-01-02T04:45:44 < emeb_mac> dongs: what did you do for register setup? 
2017-01-02T04:45:50 < aandrew> make a change, import changes and now all the hierarchial pages are now D38_DIGITALINPUTS1-8 again
2017-01-02T04:45:55 < dongs> emeb_mac: probably opensore,s lemme see
2017-01-02T04:46:09 < emeb_mac> I found a PDF of registers and there's lots of FOSS code out there I was looking at
2017-01-02T04:46:20 < emeb_mac> airspy and rtl-sdr drivers
2017-01-02T04:46:33 < dongs>  * Rafael Micro R820T driver for AIRSPY
2017-01-02T04:46:33 < dongs>  *
2017-01-02T04:46:33 < dongs>  * Copyright 2013 Youssef Touil <youssef@airspy.com>
2017-01-02T04:46:33 < dongs>  * Copyright 2014 Benjamin Vernoux <bvernoux@gmail.com>
2017-01-02T04:46:36 < dongs> looks like this
2017-01-02T04:46:42 < emeb_mac> yep - got that
2017-01-02T04:46:51 < dongs> i just had to hack in rtldsdr_i2C_write/read
2017-01-02T04:46:52 < dongs> and done
2017-01-02T04:47:17 < emeb_mac> dongs: cool - thx
2017-01-02T04:48:50 < dongs> watcha doin wiht it?
2017-01-02T04:48:53 < dongs> F3 SDR?
2017-01-02T04:49:00 < dongs> trolling or work stuff
2017-01-02T04:59:45 < zyp> trollwork
2017-01-02T05:02:53 < englishman> heh bvernoux
2017-01-02T05:23:37 < emeb_mac> dongs: VHF/UHF front end for this thing -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/hfbone/index.html
2017-01-02T05:23:46 < dongs> ah right
2017-01-02T05:23:56 < dongs> hfboner
2017-01-02T05:24:02 < emeb_mac> bingo
2017-01-02T05:24:25 < dongs> is that like a stack of boners
2017-01-02T05:24:28 < dongs> RF -> FPGA -> STM
2017-01-02T05:24:34 < emeb_mac> yep
2017-01-02T05:24:36 < upgrdman> why so little solder on SMA ground pins   http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/hfbone/hf_bone.jpg
2017-01-02T05:24:48 < dongs> have yo uever tried to solder those fucking things?
2017-01-02T05:24:56 < dongs> you literally need to heat htem up with hot air before any solder sticks
2017-01-02T05:25:03 < Laurenceb_> this looks kakimir tier http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1401143/
2017-01-02T05:25:08 < dongs> or else they heatsink the shit away
2017-01-02T05:25:15 < upgrdman> dongs, just use 60W iron + fat tip
2017-01-02T05:25:28 < upgrdman> can't be worse than soldering 10awg wire?
2017-01-02T05:25:48 < emeb_mac> It's enough solder - full contact on all surfaces. Plus back side of the board too.
2017-01-02T05:25:56 < emeb_mac> don't need to cover the whole pad.
2017-01-02T05:25:59 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, ok.
2017-01-02T05:28:14 < ohsix> err oh just remembered something to ask of ee pros
2017-01-02T05:29:13 < ohsix> got soldering station right, one temp works for 99.99% of joints, but pins that are connected to ground, even by 4 tiny traces, i can't put enough heat into them
2017-01-02T05:29:35 < ohsix> there's no visible mass that seem to imply the huge difference
2017-01-02T05:30:01 < ohsix> what do you do about that? increasing the temp didn't really work
2017-01-02T05:30:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, photo of your tip?
2017-01-02T05:30:57 < ohsix> it's at the lab
2017-01-02T05:30:58 < upgrdman> is it some pencil done 5degree cone?
2017-01-02T05:31:00 < ohsix> sec
2017-01-02T05:31:05 < upgrdman> *pencil dick
2017-01-02T05:31:30 < ohsix> it is about 1mm wide with angled flat area, but i've used one a bit larger with 0 diff
2017-01-02T05:31:53 < emeb_mac> does bvernoux still hang out here?
2017-01-02T05:32:00 < dongs> his nick is
2017-01-02T05:32:08 < dongs> hes too busy getting rich off airspy
2017-01-02T05:32:12 < emeb_mac> I see him in the list but haven't heard from him in ages
2017-01-02T05:33:41 < ReadErr> dongs: do you remember wikibattling with 'HighInBC' ? lol
2017-01-02T05:33:45 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-02T05:33:50 < dongs> is he in jail now?
2017-01-02T05:33:50 < ReadErr> randomly came across some shit today on ED didnt know 
2017-01-02T05:33:56 < ReadErr> no hes on irc 
2017-01-02T05:34:02 < dongs> is he just as high
2017-01-02T05:34:13 < ReadErr> I was like damn this nick looks familiar 
2017-01-02T05:34:19 < dongs> i thikn they all ragequit wikipedo years ago
2017-01-02T05:34:28 < dongs> like all the  dudes that were involved in my ban all retired
2017-01-02T05:34:50 < ReadErr> how many fuckin unbans did you get lol
2017-01-02T05:35:12 < ohsix> upgrdman: http://ec.hakko.com/imgs/det/900M-T-1.5CF.jpg close to this
2017-01-02T05:35:25 < ReadErr> top trollin though
2017-01-02T05:35:36 < dongs> total of -1, since im still banned
2017-01-02T05:35:37 < upgrdman> ohsix, oh fuck that's why
2017-01-02T05:35:44 < ohsix> too narrow?
2017-01-02T05:35:53 < upgrdman> ohsix, get a tip that isnt cut down like that
2017-01-02T05:36:06 < upgrdman> http://www.soldering-iron-tips.com/images/900M/900M-T-1.2D.jpg
2017-01-02T05:36:16 < ReadErr> bevel tips are the best
2017-01-02T05:36:20 < ReadErr> conicals are for fgts
2017-01-02T05:36:27 < upgrdman> and for FUCKS SAKE dont cheap out. buy a genuine tip. not some china trash.
2017-01-02T05:36:41 < dongs> > links to china tip
2017-01-02T05:36:48 < ReadErr> get one bigger than the one you posted too ohsix 
2017-01-02T05:36:48 < ohsix> eh i use the face for full contact with pad
2017-01-02T05:36:49 < upgrdman> just google img result
2017-01-02T05:36:56 < ReadErr> those tiny ones are useless
2017-01-02T05:37:02 < dongs> yaya jk trollin you cuz y oure wasting time with autism7
2017-01-02T05:37:10 < upgrdman> mhmmmm
2017-01-02T05:37:13 < ohsix> it's not just the facing is it, why does it work so well on other joints/pins?
2017-01-02T05:37:29 < ohsix> it is literally like, perfect vs limp dick
2017-01-02T05:37:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, that pencil dick tip cant hold any heat
2017-01-02T05:37:46 < upgrdman> its for 0102 shits
2017-01-02T05:37:58 < ReadErr> ya a decent size bevel you can do anything
2017-01-02T05:38:04 < upgrdman> the one i linked... i can solder 0402... or 10awg wire
2017-01-02T05:38:05 < ReadErr> flip it over and do fine shit
2017-01-02T05:38:21 < upgrdman> *at the same fucking temp*
2017-01-02T05:38:28 < ohsix> actually ican test my hypothesis
2017-01-02T05:38:33 < dongs> this is why you get a metcal
2017-01-02T05:38:35 < dongs> so you dont care about the temp
2017-01-02T05:38:38 < dongs> ahuehaeuaeheauehuahu
2017-01-02T05:38:39 < ohsix> http://ec.hakko.com/imgs/det/900M-T-2BCZ.jpg this one should work much better, for example
2017-01-02T05:38:54 < ReadErr> love my thermaldonics
2017-01-02T05:38:58 < ReadErr> best purchase 
2017-01-02T05:39:06 < ReadErr> hakko hasnt been turned on in ages
2017-01-02T05:39:07 < upgrdman> dongs, ya thatd hold more heat. but then the tip if thicker so a bit more idfficult for little shitz
2017-01-02T05:39:24 < ohsix> ic ic
2017-01-02T05:40:06 < ohsix> the one with the flat face works really well in other cases :\ it holds a turd of solder that grabs what you're doing
2017-01-02T05:40:19 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004P3D8BG/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
2017-01-02T05:40:29 < ReadErr> that was my fav or most used
2017-01-02T05:40:38 < ReadErr> good balance
2017-01-02T05:40:44 < dongs> i refuse to use hakko 888
2017-01-02T05:40:46 < dongs> because of rossman
2017-01-02T05:40:54 < ohsix> http://ec.hakko.com/imgs/det/900M-T-1.6D.jpg
2017-01-02T05:40:56 < dongs> he tainted the brand
2017-01-02T05:40:58 < ohsix> or this
2017-01-02T05:41:20 < ReadErr> idk the metcal style shit seems way nicer than that 951
2017-01-02T05:41:23 < ohsix> hakko / other vendors have data on what the best uses for each type ism will have to read them
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2017-01-02T05:41:56 < ohsix> the thing that confuses me is that it is like the iron wasn't even on, but literally great/perfect for everything else
2017-01-02T05:41:58 < emeb_mac> My fav is a T18-S4.
2017-01-02T05:42:13 < ReadErr> feels like holding a hotdog after using the slim handle stuff
2017-01-02T05:42:15 < emeb_mac> nice, fine tip with short stubby shape that conducts a lot of heat
2017-01-02T05:42:44 < ReadErr> boo conical 
2017-01-02T05:43:00 < ReadErr> that stuff always seemed beyond useless in the 888d
2017-01-02T05:44:23 < ReadErr> like reworking the solder on the side of a qfn it was worthless 
2017-01-02T05:44:49 < upgrdman> ohsix, actually i think this is what i use. a bit shorted than the one i linked earlier  https://www.amazon.com/Hakko-T18-B-Soldering-FX-8801-Conical/dp/B004OR9BFU/ref=pd_lpo_468_lp_tr_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=BCVQ0N9ES7G376F2C3V4
2017-01-02T05:45:03 < emeb_mac> yeah - I use a hoof tip for drag soldering & QFN rework.
2017-01-02T05:45:03 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/74W0uk26.html stupid fucking ST sample code, come on
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2017-01-02T05:45:46 < ohsix> metcal handpieces look worth using
2017-01-02T05:45:54 < dongs> also,  did you know, "RESET_VALUE" is simply #define RESET_VALUE 0
2017-01-02T05:46:09 < dongs> why the fucking shit would you even haev this
2017-01-02T05:46:09 < ReadErr> ohsix: you wont go back
2017-01-02T05:46:11 < ohsix> no cheap chinese tips, but  more compact
2017-01-02T05:46:15 < ReadErr> easy to get spoiled
2017-01-02T05:46:19 < ReadErr> eh tips are 15$
2017-01-02T05:46:24 < dongs> o6 doesnt solder
2017-01-02T05:46:24 < ReadErr> thermaldonics 
2017-01-02T05:46:28 < zyp> dongs, haha, wat
2017-01-02T05:46:33 < dongs> zyp, dead srs
2017-01-02T05:46:39 < zyp> where's that from?
2017-01-02T05:46:46 < dongs> that ST DMX lib i cracked yesterday
2017-01-02T05:46:59 < dongs> * File Name          : main.c
2017-01-02T05:46:59 < dongs> * Author             : IMS Systems Lab
2017-01-02T05:46:59 < dongs> * Version            : V1.0
2017-01-02T05:46:59 < dongs> * Date               : 12th June 2009
2017-01-02T05:46:59 < dongs> * Description        : Main program body
2017-01-02T05:47:01 < zyp> how does it even work? -O0?
2017-01-02T05:47:20 < dongs> no idea, it cant work other than O0 cuz none of the shit is even volatile
2017-01-02T05:47:24 < zyp> any reasonable compiler would figure that code doesn't to anything and throw it out
2017-01-02T05:47:28 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-02T05:47:45 < ohsix> ReadErr: sure but you can get 10 hakko clone things for a dollar
2017-01-02T05:48:23 < dongs> i guess they're not using it for anything serious
2017-01-02T05:48:30 < ReadErr> yea but then you are stuck with 10 shitty tips
2017-01-02T05:48:43 < ReadErr> I seriously only would need 2-3 tips max
2017-01-02T05:49:07 < ReadErr> just finding them, you end up collecting lame tips
2017-01-02T05:49:09 < emeb_mac> ayoue seems OK - I've had good luck with their clones
2017-01-02T05:49:23 < ReadErr> ehhhh
2017-01-02T05:49:32 < ReadErr> the ayoue I got was a huge pile of crap
2017-01-02T05:49:59 < ReadErr> maybe they got better
2017-01-02T05:50:21 < emeb_mac> well, I've only used their tips. My hoof/bevel is ayoue - works great.
2017-01-02T05:50:22 < ReadErr> but for hot air, cant go wrong w/ the 50$ 858 thing
2017-01-02T05:51:33 < dongs> auyue works prety good for me
2017-01-02T05:51:38 < ohsix> ReadErr: not a problem yet
2017-01-02T05:51:47 < ohsix> ya the lab has 858 clones
2017-01-02T05:52:07 < ReadErr> i had the combo one
2017-01-02T05:52:11 < ohsix> even if they were total garbage, they still work really well compared to unregulated 20w
2017-01-02T05:52:16 < ReadErr> 8xx ?
2017-01-02T05:52:26 < dongs> mine? 968, combo yeah
2017-01-02T05:52:27 < ReadErr> it had the pump inside the main unit
2017-01-02T05:52:30 < ReadErr> yea that
2017-01-02T05:52:33 < ohsix> hot air is hand, i've used it for lots of things
2017-01-02T05:52:39 < ReadErr> the iron was complete crap
2017-01-02T05:52:50 < ReadErr> the hotair wasnt great either
2017-01-02T05:52:51 < dongs> maybe 968A or so. well, iron worked decent for the price and to get the work done
2017-01-02T05:53:13 < ReadErr> i would much rather get a 888d+858
2017-01-02T05:53:16 < ReadErr> for the same price
2017-01-02T05:53:25 < dongs> 968A was < $100
2017-01-02T05:53:32 < dongs> 888D for <$100 sounds like a chinaclone
2017-01-02T05:53:35 < dongs> rossmann would not approve
2017-01-02T05:53:48 < ReadErr> eh it was 80$ or so
2017-01-02T05:53:52 < ReadErr> real 
2017-01-02T05:55:06 < ReadErr> ohsix: <LeelooMinai> I would like to not that ohsix "lab" is that place where no one could use a 3D printer
2017-01-02T05:55:09 < ReadErr> shots fired
2017-01-02T05:55:19 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/products/en/soldering-desoldering-rework-products/soldering-desoldering-rework-stations/264
2017-01-02T05:55:27 < dongs> err fuck
2017-01-02T05:55:38 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/american-hakko-products-inc/FX888D-29BY-P/1691-1083-ND/6228839
2017-01-02T05:55:58 < dongs> thats just station and no hot air
2017-01-02T05:56:17 < dongs> haha @ buttons on the base
2017-01-02T05:56:19 < dongs> just has up-enter
2017-01-02T05:56:22 < dongs> perfect for trolling
2017-01-02T05:56:25 < ReadErr> M <LeelooMinai> I would like to not that ohsix "lab" is that place where no one could use a 3D printer
2017-01-02T05:56:27 < ReadErr> err
2017-01-02T05:56:36 < ReadErr> Digital FX888D & CHP170 bundle, includes FREE CHP170 cutter
2017-01-02T05:56:36 < ReadErr> Sold by: B+D Enterprises  Product question? Ask Seller
2017-01-02T05:56:36 < ReadErr> $91.34
2017-01-02T05:56:42 < ReadErr> back in 2013
2017-01-02T05:56:47 < dongs> um, thats chinaclone fore sure
2017-01-02T05:56:51 < ReadErr> nah 
2017-01-02T05:56:53 < dongs> yah
2017-01-02T05:56:58 < ReadErr> amazon
2017-01-02T05:56:59 < englishman> yea dongs you can only select between preset temps
2017-01-02T05:57:04 < dongs> oh?
2017-01-02T05:57:11 < dongs> do you need a key to set them or something?
2017-01-02T05:57:17 < englishman> you enter boot loader
2017-01-02T05:57:17 < dongs> or is it only just some x choices
2017-01-02T05:57:33 < ReadErr> you get 5 presets
2017-01-02T05:57:40 < dongs> bootlodurr wat
2017-01-02T05:57:48 < englishman> and change settings carefully following blinking lights
2017-01-02T05:58:32 < ReadErr> but a 888d + 858 for ~135 or w/e, kicks the shit out of the 968A
2017-01-02T05:59:26 < ReadErr> that hose they have going to the hot air is a real pain
2017-01-02T05:59:28 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: you could figure it out if you weren't retarded
2017-01-02T05:59:36 < ohsix> ReadErr: don't do that :<
2017-01-02T06:00:10 < ReadErr> im not
2017-01-02T06:00:32 < ohsix> do the metcal inserts all have the same heaters? or do they take advantage of being able to size it for the tip
2017-01-02T06:00:49 < ReadErr> there are different series 
2017-01-02T06:00:57 < ReadErr> for different powersupplies/handles
2017-01-02T06:01:35 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltronics-TMT-9000S-1-100-110VAC-interchangeable-MX-500S-11/
2017-01-02T06:01:37 < ohsix> right but it doesn't vary by shape, but use
2017-01-02T06:01:43 < ReadErr> these are ~350 on ebay all the time
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2017-01-02T06:02:02 < ReadErr> the company was created by old metcal engineers
2017-01-02T06:02:34 < ReadErr> uses the same handle/tips
2017-01-02T06:03:12 < ohsix> premature optimization at the moment, they just look much nicer to use
2017-01-02T06:03:19 < ohsix> ffcossag uses one
2017-01-02T06:03:49 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: on ebay yes
2017-01-02T06:04:02 < ohsix> the long 'reach' from tip to finger is becoming a non-problem as i do it more
2017-01-02T06:04:15 < zyp> hmm, fuck
2017-01-02T06:04:25 < ohsix> also using tip up magnifier things, vibrations are exaggerated
2017-01-02T06:04:34 < ReadErr> I think a few of us have them
2017-01-02T06:04:42 < ReadErr> I do, englishman does
2017-01-02T06:04:50 < ReadErr> r2com might have got one, forget
2017-01-02T06:04:51 < ohsix> ReadErr: got a 404 on that url
2017-01-02T06:04:58 < zyp> I just realized that I have one of the FFC-connectors backards wrt. how I was planning to run the cable
2017-01-02T06:05:30 < dongs> ownt
2017-01-02T06:05:32 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltronics-TMT-9000S-1-100-110VAC-interchangeable-MX-500S-11/dp/B00NRZ6I1A/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1483329918&sr=8-3&keywords=thermaltronics
2017-01-02T06:05:41 < ohsix> ReadErr: i kind of have a dumb/weird perspective on this shit, i might personally fund some other haxor, so the price matters more than it should
2017-01-02T06:05:54 < dongs> ReadErr: who is that link intended for
2017-01-02T06:06:00 < ReadErr> ohsix and LeelooMinai 
2017-01-02T06:06:03 < ReadErr> lol
2017-01-02T06:06:10 < dongs> lol, neither of htem can afford anywhere near $395
2017-01-02T06:06:16 < dongs> also, i got my used metcal for like $90 on ebay
2017-01-02T06:06:17 < ohsix> even if metcal were dumb not to buy, price would be an issue when bootstrapping someone
2017-01-02T06:06:18 < dongs> base station
2017-01-02T06:06:26 < dongs> and just bought tehrmaldongix pen from digikey
2017-01-02T06:06:27 < ReadErr> is it the 5000 ?
2017-01-02T06:06:31 < ReadErr> or w/e 
2017-01-02T06:06:31 < dongs> yes
2017-01-02T06:06:33 < dongs> or whatever the fuck it is
2017-01-02T06:06:42 < zyp> dongs, so, uh, that AF3AXXB shit got bottom contacts, is there a variant with top contacts as well?
2017-01-02T06:06:55 < ReadErr> dongs: did you ever make sleep work?
2017-01-02T06:06:58 < dongs> zyp, :| you better just reroute :P
2017-01-02T06:06:59 < ohsix> dongs: i could now
2017-01-02T06:06:59 < dongs> ReadErr: yes!
2017-01-02T06:07:07 < ReadErr> what was it
2017-01-02T06:07:07 < dongs> bought thermaldongix sleepy base
2017-01-02T06:07:10 < dongs> works
2017-01-02T06:07:13 < ReadErr> oh lol
2017-01-02T06:07:21 < dongs> and
2017-01-02T06:07:24 < dongs> i got a free one
2017-01-02T06:07:30 < dongs> cuz 1st one idigikey sent me was all busted in pieces
2017-01-02T06:07:33 < zyp> dongs, well, it's for top board
2017-01-02T06:07:33 < dongs> so I emailed htem and said WTF
2017-01-02T06:07:47 < dongs> they next day'd a replacement, and while iwas waiting, I glued it together
2017-01-02T06:08:02 < ReadErr> so yours didnt have a magnet ?
2017-01-02T06:08:15 < dongs> zyp, asking
2017-01-02T06:08:16 < ReadErr> the 951 or w/e had that stupid switch
2017-01-02T06:08:21 < ReadErr> you had to plug in the stand
2017-01-02T06:08:24 < dongs> ReadErr: thermaldongix is magnet
2017-01-02T06:08:30 < zyp> dongs, nice, thanks
2017-01-02T06:08:33 < ReadErr> yea 
2017-01-02T06:08:49 < dongs> zyp, note  wouldn't recommend  doing this
2017-01-02T06:09:01 < zyp> doing what?
2017-01-02T06:09:24 < dongs> mixing top/bottom connectors on different boards
2017-01-02T06:09:25 < ReadErr> ohsix: thats the best deal you will get on a good iron/power
2017-01-02T06:09:33 < ReadErr> plus warranty'd
2017-01-02T06:09:56 < zyp> dongs, why?
2017-01-02T06:10:47 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: display is useless
2017-01-02T06:11:08 < ReadErr> once its on heats up between when you pull it out and get it to the board
2017-01-02T06:11:18 < ReadErr> nah its completely useless
2017-01-02T06:11:28 < ReadErr> they could have used a green LED
2017-01-02T06:11:57 < dongs> zyp, cuz you cant tell which side contacts are just by looking at it
2017-01-02T06:12:02 < ReadErr> you dont
2017-01-02T06:12:07 < dongs> and you'd be mixing two different types of connectors
2017-01-02T06:12:09 < dongs> taht otherwise look same
2017-01-02T06:12:12 < ReadErr> thats the great part about curiepoint tech
2017-01-02T06:12:16 < ReadErr> you dont set shit
2017-01-02T06:12:22 < ReadErr> and it just works great
2017-01-02T06:13:00 < ReadErr> I used to not believe this 
2017-01-02T06:13:26 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: nope not missing anything
2017-01-02T06:13:36 < ReadErr> you plug in a tip and it just works great
2017-01-02T06:13:47 < dongs> youre missing that autistic t ouch
2017-01-02T06:13:52 < dongs> where oyu need to fiddle with a knob
2017-01-02T06:13:59 < dongs> (leelooman is pro at this knob fiddling thing)
2017-01-02T06:14:07 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: idk magic 
2017-01-02T06:14:11 < zyp> dongs, silk marking should make it obvious enough which way the cable goes in
2017-01-02T06:14:15 < ReadErr> ive never burned up a board w/ it
2017-01-02T06:14:22 < ReadErr> and it always pumps out heat
2017-01-02T06:14:26 < dongs> lol burn a board with it
2017-01-02T06:14:31 < zyp> so I think I'll be good as long as PCBA gets the right part assembled
2017-01-02T06:14:31 < dongs> how the fuck would you even do that with an iron
2017-01-02T06:15:00 < ReadErr> shitty china pcbs lifting pads I guess
2017-01-02T06:15:33 < dongs> zyp, sadly i dont think top version exists
2017-01-02T06:15:36 < ReadErr> its like using a pencil fs a paintbrush 
2017-01-02T06:15:39 < ReadErr> vs*
2017-01-02T06:16:16 < zyp> dongs, google suggests top version might be AF3AXXA
2017-01-02T06:16:25 < ohsix> wut 20:12 < ReadErr> thats the great part about curiepoint tech
2017-01-02T06:16:42 < ReadErr> theres 3 different levels of tips
2017-01-02T06:16:49 < ReadErr> low/medium/hot
2017-01-02T06:16:53 < dongs> thats like one link and not from szhaitian or whatever the fuck maker of original clone shit is
2017-01-02T06:16:57 < dongs> anyway asking
2017-01-02T06:16:58 < ReadErr> medium works fine for everything
2017-01-02T06:17:04 < ReadErr> then they have 'power' tips
2017-01-02T06:17:06 < zyp> true
2017-01-02T06:17:06 < dongs> i have yellow tips
2017-01-02T06:17:08 < dongs> whatever the fuck those are
2017-01-02T06:17:13 < ReadErr> yea yellow is medium
2017-01-02T06:17:49 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltronics-M8CH250H-Chisel-Extra-Large/dp/B00NS4RQJ8/ 
2017-01-02T06:17:57 < ReadErr> this one is nuts 
2017-01-02T06:18:48 < ohsix> which ones do you use for lead free solder
2017-01-02T06:18:51 < ReadErr> soldered 8awg wire to a 1.5mm piece of copper no problem
2017-01-02T06:19:11 < ReadErr> yea theres no heater in the handle
2017-01-02T06:19:17 < ReadErr> its all in the tip
2017-01-02T06:19:25 < ReadErr> ohsix: just regular ones
2017-01-02T06:19:38 < dongs> there's no "heater" anywhere
2017-01-02T06:19:40 < dongs> its induction heating
2017-01-02T06:19:43 < ohsix> k, will have to get science on the tips i have
2017-01-02T06:19:45 < ReadErr> you just dont mix tips
2017-01-02T06:19:52 < ReadErr> use leaded for only leaded
2017-01-02T06:19:57 < ohsix> is it induction heating??????/ that's hot
2017-01-02T06:20:00 < ReadErr> or supposed to... but w/e
2017-01-02T06:20:16 < ReadErr> they have the lower one for 230
2017-01-02T06:20:21 < ohsix> ReadErr: fixing/haxoring ~reflowing leaded solder on to stuff
2017-01-02T06:20:45 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltronics-TMT-2000S-K-Soldering-System-100-240VAC/dp/B00NS4J15K/
2017-01-02T06:21:11 < ohsix> buh this old laptop is 2 hard to open links
2017-01-02T06:21:35 < ReadErr> no its based on a completely different metcal series
2017-01-02T06:21:40 < ReadErr> uses different handle, diff tips
2017-01-02T06:22:00 < ReadErr> 5000/9000 is king dong series
2017-01-02T06:22:06 < ohsix> what a dumb fucking name tho
2017-01-02T06:22:08 < ReadErr> then the 2000 or w/e is the previous gen or something 
2017-01-02T06:22:11 < upgrdman> what does "power plus" mean?
2017-01-02T06:22:19 < ReadErr> upgrdman: extra thermal mass
2017-01-02T06:22:32 < ohsix> but: feedback from reluctance instead of a thermistor is hot shit
2017-01-02T06:24:56 < ohsix> ReadErr: have you checked out drive waveform with scope while soldering?
2017-01-02T06:25:36 < dongs> anyway o6 doesnt solder and leelooman cant afford this . so this entire conversation is pointless as fuck
2017-01-02T06:26:02 < ohsix> hey f u
2017-01-02T06:26:43 < ohsix> ReadErr: i wanna know the principal the feedback operates under
2017-01-02T06:27:25 < ohsix> is there anything you can't use it for? emi coupling into nearby stuff?
2017-01-02T06:27:41 < dongs> zyp, still pending
2017-01-02T06:27:44 < ohsix> and the inserts basically get cold super fast right, so you can swap them
2017-01-02T06:28:11 < aandrew> there's a whole thread on eev where someone reversed the metcal RF irons
2017-01-02T06:28:17 < aandrew> boards for sale, full schematics etc
2017-01-02T06:28:22 < aandrew> uses their handles and tips
2017-01-02T06:28:25 < ohsix> cool, k thanks
2017-01-02T06:28:27 < dongs> lol who cares
2017-01-02T06:28:31 < dongs> is your time THIS WORTHLESS
2017-01-02T06:28:36 < dongs> that you gotta listen to an hour of dave jobless
2017-01-02T06:28:41 < dongs> just to hack together a soldering iron?
2017-01-02T06:28:44 < aandrew> no I don't listen to it, it's on the blog
2017-01-02T06:28:45 < dongs> just spend few 100 bucks and get the real thing
2017-01-02T06:28:57 < aandrew> I like the idea of having schematics/etc for my tools
2017-01-02T06:28:59 < ohsix> i keep forgetting how useful/popular their forums are, i've written off all forums as a waste of time
2017-01-02T06:29:18 < aandrew> I hate forums as a general rule
2017-01-02T06:29:21 < aandrew> mailing lists and irc or bust
2017-01-02T06:31:05 < ohsix> word
2017-01-02T06:31:17 < ohsix> it is not an unearned perspective
2017-01-02T06:32:12 < ReadErr> ohsix: you can just pull the tips out
2017-01-02T06:32:24 < ReadErr> they cool off super quick 
2017-01-02T06:32:30 < ohsix> word
2017-01-02T06:32:37 < dongs> i just pull them off with tweezers
2017-01-02T06:32:41 < dongs> you can do it right after turning off power
2017-01-02T06:32:45 < ReadErr> yea or use the black thing
2017-01-02T06:32:49 < ReadErr> pad
2017-01-02T06:33:26 < zyp> JBC stations got shit to pull out and replace the tips while hot
2017-01-02T06:33:27 < ReadErr> aandrew: its good value
2017-01-02T06:33:40 < ReadErr> the PSU must weigh like 5lbs+
2017-01-02T06:33:44 < ReadErr> idk, its beefy 
2017-01-02T06:33:51 < aandrew> yeah
2017-01-02T06:33:56 < aandrew> metcal irons are great
2017-01-02T06:34:00 < aandrew> I don't ahve one though
2017-01-02T06:34:03 < ReadErr> 3.47 KG
2017-01-02T06:34:19 < aandrew> I have a 20 year old Weller WES51 and a knockoff Youyue 858D+
2017-01-02T06:34:24 < zyp> next time I'm putting money into soldering equipment, I'm probably buying JBC
2017-01-02T06:34:28 < ohsix> i've wanted to mess with induction heating $something for like 20 years
2017-01-02T06:34:43 < ReadErr> zyp: hows it compare to the metcal 5000 ?
2017-01-02T06:34:46 < ohsix> you can probably hook up a zvs driver to the handpiece :D
2017-01-02T06:34:53 < zyp> idk, I've never used any decent metcal
2017-01-02T06:34:57 < ohsix> jbc?
2017-01-02T06:35:11 < ReadErr> jbc is even more $$ than metcal
2017-01-02T06:35:51 < ReadErr> http://www.thermaltronics.com/tmt-astc100.php lol
2017-01-02T06:35:51 < ohsix> i had tools to change tips pretty quick, but making shit secure without rattles and stuff is hard without finger feedback
2017-01-02T06:36:04 < ReadErr> so lazy you dont even want to play sponge pokey 
2017-01-02T06:36:08 < zyp> my metcal experience is limited to some shitty vacuum desoldering station they had at my uni
2017-01-02T06:36:13 < zyp> at least I think that was metcal
2017-01-02T06:36:36 < zyp> and it was pretty useless, but probably also old and abused
2017-01-02T06:37:00 < ohsix> jbc handpieces look nice too
2017-01-02T06:37:19 < dongs> shit. TIM9/10/11 on 401RE don't have any interrupt sources
2017-01-02T06:37:39 < upgrdman> ReadErr, is that an enable key so you cant clean the tip unless the boss gives you the key?
2017-01-02T06:37:53 < upgrdman> pro process control right there
2017-01-02T06:38:19 < ReadErr> looks like a cleanout drawer 
2017-01-02T06:38:23 < upgrdman> o
2017-01-02T06:38:28 < ReadErr> lol
2017-01-02T06:39:13 < ReadErr> that'd be some shit tho
2017-01-02T06:39:43 < ohsix> lul watching the man in the high castle, i just realized how trite/lazy the 'guy speaking the truth is killed' shit is
2017-01-02T06:39:53 < ohsix> dude on live tv is saying something, they shoot him
2017-01-02T06:40:14 < ohsix> they immediately strengthen the dude making the statement
2017-01-02T06:40:32 < dongs> zyp, top contacts looks go.
2017-01-02T06:40:56 < zyp> got datasheet?
2017-01-02T06:41:27 < dongs> zyp, says "same footprint"
2017-01-02T06:42:05 < zyp> yeah, I figured, but I want the ordering information, etc…
2017-01-02T06:42:26 < zyp> so I get it right on the BOM and shit
2017-01-02T06:42:36 < ohsix> i got a neat foot switch, anyone wanna try a dumb idea about what to do with it?
2017-01-02T06:44:09 < ohsix> ooh, pausing the 3d printer
2017-01-02T06:46:27 < ohsix> ah it is an 853 clone, not an 858
2017-01-02T06:46:54 < ohsix> http://yihua-soldering.com/product-2-1-soldering-rework-station-en/147672 the finish  on this clone is really good, tends to be the cheapest of all of them too
2017-01-02T06:47:32 < ohsix> displays update faster, and the plastic covers for the LEDs are embossed to fit in the panel, instead of just being behind a cutout
2017-01-02T06:48:57 < upgrdman> ohsix, when shanghaied i used one of the yihua hakko clone irons. total fucking shit china trash.
2017-01-02T06:49:09 < upgrdman> don't cheap out on tools.
2017-01-02T06:49:30 < upgrdman> well
2017-01-02T06:49:38 < upgrdman> don't cheap out on tools that you use regularly.
2017-01-02T06:49:53 < ohsix> ya ikr
2017-01-02T06:50:28 < ohsix> i've used one of these tho, that's how i found out how much better it was. i _use_ the crappier ones
2017-01-02T06:50:47 < ohsix> any temp control iron > what i've got to hand at home
2017-01-02T06:52:19 < upgrdman> i was FUCKING RAGING at how shit the china iron tips are when i was shanghaid. like total wtf'ery. how the fuck do the chinagirls put up with such shit fucking tips.
2017-01-02T06:52:27 < ohsix> going to hopefully get back to setting up at home. but driving to a building that already has all this shit in it is pretty great
2017-01-02T06:52:31 < dongs> lolol
2017-01-02T06:52:58 < ohsix> upgrdman: any idea how they could make them so bad?
2017-01-02T06:53:11 < upgrdman> ohsix, guessing they dont chrome plate them.
2017-01-02T06:53:20 < ohsix> i'll have to get a legit hakko tip, i can't imagine it being more than slightly better
2017-01-02T06:53:24 < upgrdman> prolly just copper + solder film + lolumad
2017-01-02T06:53:24 < dongs> zyp, didnt i already mail you this shit ffs
2017-01-02T06:53:24 < dongs> k sec
2017-01-02T06:53:25 < ohsix> is it chrome?
2017-01-02T06:53:43 < dongs> and yeah A is the part#
2017-01-02T06:53:53 < ohsix> i know you mean the wetting/shiny area, but chrome is actually bad for that
2017-01-02T06:53:56 < dongs> you can tell which is which by the up/down kanji
2017-01-02T06:53:58 < zyp> dongs, you mailed me datasheets for bottom and vertical, if it already documented top then I wouldn't have had to ask :p
2017-01-02T06:54:00 < dongs> which japs STOLE from china
2017-01-02T06:54:26 < zyp> ah, A = above
2017-01-02T06:54:28 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-02T06:54:29 < zyp> makes sense
2017-01-02T06:54:42 < dongs> zyp, any strategy for doing timer-based stuff with a timer that doenst have interrupt generation capability
2017-01-02T06:54:44 < zyp> I was guessing on T originally
2017-01-02T06:54:54 < dongs> while(1) and poll?
2017-01-02T06:54:55 < zyp> what kind of stuff?
2017-01-02T06:55:00 < dongs> just timing
2017-01-02T06:55:06 < dongs> those DMX breaks and shit
2017-01-02T06:55:17 < dongs> i just found out hte only free timers I have on this shit dont generate interrupts
2017-01-02T06:55:22 < zyp> you just need a delay function?
2017-01-02T06:55:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, http://kb.hakkousa.com/KnowledgebaseArticle10322.aspx
2017-01-02T06:55:27 < zyp> and you'll be busywaiting anyway?
2017-01-02T06:55:33 < dongs> yeah, i guess youre right
2017-01-02T06:55:40 < zyp> if so, just start the timer oneshot and poll in a loop
2017-01-02T06:55:41 < dongs> ill just busywait with systick/cyclecounter
2017-01-02T06:55:56 < dongs> or that
2017-01-02T06:56:09 < dongs> maybe ill set my backlight PWM timer to some sensible timebase so i can also use it for us/ms counter
2017-01-02T06:56:13 < zyp> interrupt is useful if you'll be doing other stuff meanwhile
2017-01-02T06:56:18 < zyp> hmm
2017-01-02T06:56:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: oh, huhu yea ic
2017-01-02T06:57:00 < zyp> speaking of timers, I should check that the one I picked to generate PWM for the pilot signal is also able to trigger ADC 
2017-01-02T06:57:02 < ohsix> backwards
2017-01-02T06:57:13 < ohsix> chrome plating won't wet
2017-01-02T06:57:13 < dongs> HEH
2017-01-02T06:57:31 < upgrdman> ohsix, guessing china tips have thin iron plating at the tip, or wrong alloy or someshit
2017-01-02T06:57:40 < upgrdman> but like new tip + 1 minute of use = fucking aids
2017-01-02T06:57:46 < dongs> yes, like i wasted TIM1 for making backlight pwm, i shoulda just used some garbage like TIM9/10
2017-01-02T06:58:27 < zyp> I'll be generating pulses, and car will pull them down, and then I'll have to read voltage when high and voltage when low to get the state
2017-01-02T06:58:53 < dongs> hey nice, TIM2 is unused still. i might be safe
2017-01-02T06:58:56 < zyp> so I'm thinking to trigger ADC from the timer
2017-01-02T06:59:03 < ohsix> upgrdman: copper inside/heating face will make huge diff too
2017-01-02T06:59:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: probably bigger actually, the ones i have take solder and junk just fine
2017-01-02T07:00:51 < ohsix> control loop won't do so good, probably trashes heaters too
2017-01-02T07:05:55 < dongs> what the shit. this dumb ST code uses one timer for doing break and another one for mark
2017-01-02T07:06:00 < dongs> surely you can do both with same timer
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2017-01-02T07:07:11 < dongs>         u8_BytesCount = ONE;
2017-01-02T07:07:13 < dongs> more awesome code
2017-01-02T07:07:22 < dongs> gonna guess its #define ONE 1
2017-01-02T07:07:27 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-02T07:07:37 < upgrdman> #define ONE 2 // happy debugging
2017-01-02T07:07:58 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BOuzBPSgS9k/
2017-01-02T07:08:06 < zyp> haha
2017-01-02T07:09:08 < dongs> #define BYTE_COUNT_ONE                  1
2017-01-02T07:09:10 < dongs> another good one
2017-01-02T07:09:15 < dongs> #define FOUR_BIT_RIGHT_SHIFT            4
2017-01-02T07:09:16 < dongs> o man
2017-01-02T07:09:21 < dongs> these guys are just fucking killing me
2017-01-02T07:10:09 < dongs> IMS Systems Lab
2017-01-02T07:10:12 < dongs> Over the last few years Catania site has become the cradle of: power electronics, factory automation and smart grid, IMS Systems Lab, non-motion Sensors, iNemo, SiC and GaN developments, lab-on-chip, power module line and automotive body applications.
2017-01-02T07:10:17 < dongs> so this is shitty italian code
2017-01-02T07:10:39 < aandrew> IMS? not from Canada?
2017-01-02T07:10:44 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/careers/st-locations/emea/italy/catania.html
2017-01-02T07:10:47 < dongs> well this is ST
2017-01-02T07:10:50 < dongs> so
2017-01-02T07:10:56 < emeb_mac> Thorn: Russian housecat?
2017-01-02T07:11:58 < Rob235> non-motion sensors? what, they tell you when you aren't being robbed?
2017-01-02T07:12:13 < dongs> the thing that puzzles me the most about ST sample code is that stm32_fff_it.c file
2017-01-02T07:12:20 < dongs> why the shit put interrupt vectors into separate file?!
2017-01-02T07:12:24 < dongs> it makes absolutely no sense
2017-01-02T07:12:31 < Thorn> emeb_mac: also xmas tree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDt8jPJZtIw
2017-01-02T07:12:54 < dongs> you gotta extern/global a bunch of shit if you wanna expose it all to some interrupt handler
2017-01-02T07:13:03 < dongs> insteadf of keeping it static/local to the current file
2017-01-02T07:13:52 < aandrew> I've noticed they do that too
2017-01-02T07:13:58 < upgrdman> dongs, mayeb it facilities their HAL. e.g. different ISRs for different chips
2017-01-02T07:14:07 < dongs> this is 2009 code, not hal
2017-01-02T07:14:11 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-02T07:14:11 < aandrew> not sure why, perhaps only to remind the dev that they're in interrupt context so don't do stupid shit
2017-01-02T07:14:12 < dongs> look at any stdperiph samples too
2017-01-02T07:15:53 < emeb_mac> Thorn: we've got wild bobcats in my area. Seen them a few times while out driving around and at the in-law's hose. They're pretty cool. Don't know that they'd make good pets though.
2017-01-02T07:15:56 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/ImperfectGloomyIbisbill
2017-01-02T07:17:13 < dongs> looks legit
2017-01-02T07:19:10 < aandrew> reminds me of modifying code running in RAM
2017-01-02T07:19:33 < Thorn> apparently only if you take them very young. they have a 3rd one which is basically wild and is kept in a cage
2017-01-02T07:21:01 < ohsix> god damn, other lazy ass tropes; you get a shot at a bad guy at great personal risk, and you only wing him at 5ft, because plot
2017-01-02T07:24:59 < dongs> that sweet jewtube money
2017-01-02T07:41:07 < zyp> aandrew, haha, nice analogy
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2017-01-02T08:06:58 < dongs> GPIOx->BSRRH that makes pin high right?
2017-01-02T08:07:23 < c4017_> BSRRL makes it high
2017-01-02T08:07:42 < c4017_> counterintuative
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2017-01-02T08:17:38 < dongs> oh wow, GREAT code
2017-01-02T08:17:39 < dongs>         if(USART_GetFlagStatus(USART1, USART_FLAG_TXE) == RESET);
2017-01-02T08:17:47 < dongs> followed by a { }
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2017-01-02T08:33:29 < zyp> haha
2017-01-02T08:34:00 < dongs> this ST italy place is sending out some amazing quality stuff
2017-01-02T08:34:27 < ReadErr> thats where mr kawaiiOS is from isnt it?
2017-01-02T08:34:30 < ReadErr> or works
2017-01-02T08:34:39 < dongs> tectu? get out
2017-01-02T08:34:46 < dongs> tectu is jobless
2017-01-02T08:34:50 < ohsix> is it funny to call it kawai instead of chibi
2017-01-02T08:34:56 < aandrew> does stm32 do qspi or do I have to bitbang the shit
2017-01-02T08:35:05 < dongs> aandrew: some newer F4/F7 do
2017-01-02T08:35:19 < aandrew> ok
2017-01-02T08:35:21 < dongs> has qspi periperhal
2017-01-02T08:35:26 < dongs> check CUBE for which ones!
2017-01-02T08:35:29 < ReadErr> chibios giovanni
2017-01-02T08:36:54 < aandrew> indeed
2017-01-02T08:36:56 < aandrew> ok thanks dongs 
2017-01-02T08:37:12 < dongs> only super pro advice here
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2017-01-02T08:42:42 < dongs> hm fuck how do i get 10mhz timebase from 84Mhz timer
2017-01-02T08:42:44 < dongs> cant right?
2017-01-02T08:44:02 < aandrew> offhand I don't think so
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2017-01-02T08:44:30 < aandrew> nope don't think so
2017-01-02T08:51:16 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/loldongs-p-1077048.html ohhh yea
2017-01-02T08:55:11 < ohsix> haha
2017-01-02T08:56:36 < ohsix> that's the smallest wheel puller i've seen
2017-01-02T09:12:57 < ohsix> random hacker nerd question: what do you use crowfeet wrenches for? all the shi ti can find seems to just be reaching fasteners a little differently, to skip some disassembly
2017-01-02T09:13:01 < ohsix> but nothing that is a killer use
2017-01-02T09:13:58 < ohsix> most of the stuff also seems to be shit you can use a socket for
2017-01-02T09:15:56 < ohsix> guess it would make anything you use a box wrench for insanely fast in comparison
2017-01-02T09:16:07 < aandrew> ok now I have seen everything
2017-01-02T09:16:53 < aandrew> never used a crowsfoot wrench before
2017-01-02T09:17:11 < aandrew> just looks like someone decided to try to combine an extension and a wrench with their ratchet
2017-01-02T09:17:21 < ohsix> yea
2017-01-02T09:17:52 < ohsix> mostly doubt it as a work saving thing lul, cuz i've used air tools; proper disassembly isn't necessarily any slower
2017-01-02T09:18:29 < ohsix> it's lighter than a set of box wrenches
2017-01-02T09:18:33 < ohsix> that could be killer
2017-01-02T09:20:19 < ohsix> someone gave me their old compressor cuz it was acting up while i was using it (they loaned it to me) i'm gonna kit up for car fixingz this summer
2017-01-02T09:20:39 < ohsix> relatively small investment after the compressor, but a good impact wrench is 150$+
2017-01-02T09:21:25 < aandrew> I should rebuild my compressor head
2017-01-02T09:21:38 < aandrew> it's gotta be 50 or even 60 years old
2017-01-02T09:30:23 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1I-90vXUAAPYSM.jpg:large
2017-01-02T09:32:17 < ohsix> aandrew: what type? and what's involved in a rebuild
2017-01-02T09:32:54 < aandrew> ohsix: autism on tinder
2017-01-02T09:33:34 < aandrew> depends on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go
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2017-01-02T09:34:04 < aandrew> I'm just interested in taking the head off, replacing the gaskets and making sure everything is sealed nicely
2017-01-02T09:34:51 < englishman> sounds like a "aint broke; fixing it anyway" situation
2017-01-02T09:35:02 < aandrew> no, it's leaking right now
2017-01-02T09:35:16 < aandrew> takes a good 30m to charge the tank from empty which is nuts
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2017-01-02T09:36:33 < ohsix> werd
2017-01-02T09:36:47 < ohsix> yea sounds neat, i actually have come to like the cleaning part of something like that
2017-01-02T09:37:02 < ohsix> getting old oil off to see what's up, putting some back on during assembly
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2017-01-02T09:45:56 < ohsix> sweet, chrome crashed
2017-01-02T09:49:15 < ohsix> another dumb question, is usb 'robust' to like, delaying throughput; you'd still respond on time and stuff for usb protocol, but do class drivers care or need special stuff to make that work? consider usb2->usb2 interposer
2017-01-02T09:52:56 < jpa-> if you are on time with regards to the protocol requirements, the class drivers should be happy and be considered buggy if they are not
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2017-01-02T10:13:11 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_and_scatology thanks wikipedia
2017-01-02T10:15:48 < dongs> how about 1us resolution timer out of 84mhz?
2017-01-02T10:16:30 < dongs> hm thats just /84 to run it at 1mhz
2017-01-02T10:16:41 < dongs> but hm. i think i need < 1us precision on some of the shit
2017-01-02T10:18:14 < ohsix> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/30/el_reg_just_saved_your_wiki_xmas/
2017-01-02T10:24:28 < ohsix> nice to know that they dont' stop because they've actually covered operating costs
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2017-01-02T10:25:54 < kOStiX> dongs, you could overclock or underclock to get needed freqs
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2017-01-02T10:40:27 < dongs> lol sure but i dont think i need it that much
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2017-01-02T10:50:17 < ohsix> https://www.wikiart.org/en/salvador-dali/hitler-masturbating
2017-01-02T10:51:49 < Steffanx> Can you read the topic ohsix? Thanl you.
2017-01-02T10:51:57 < Steffanx> Thank*
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2017-01-02T10:54:56 < dongs> Steffanx: should add not an unfunny link dump
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2017-01-02T11:20:21 < upgrdman> when visualizing FFTs, are there any common ways other than a live view, a "waveform view" (live view with infinite persistence) and a waterfall view? e.g. http://farrellf.com/temp/cc2500spectrum.png
2017-01-02T11:22:53 < jpa-> http://image.slidesharecdn.com/cornellhackathon-balancinginfrastructurewithoptimizationandproblemformulation-150311130719-conversion-gate01/95/balancing-infrastructure-with-optimization-and-problem-formulation-39-638.jpg?cb=1426081550   this "most significant components" visualization is often used in theoretical context, but can be useful for real world data also
2017-01-02T11:23:21 < upgrdman> hmmm neat ok
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2017-01-02T11:37:22 < karlp> upgrdman: did you miss where the dude with those desks said what desks they were in the first picture? http://www.roomandboard.com/catalog/office/desks/parsons-desks-with-power-and-usb-outlets-option
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2017-01-02T11:38:39 < upgrdman> karlp, i did miss that. thanks!
2017-01-02T11:38:59 < upgrdman> oh room&board is a brand.
2017-01-02T11:39:10 < upgrdman> someone in here metioned that too. i thought it was a style, lol
2017-01-02T11:39:36 < upgrdman> HOLY FUCK $1120 for the desk. lol
2017-01-02T11:39:57 < upgrdman> oh well, i should buy it and rub it in leeloo poor face. j/k
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2017-01-02T11:42:01 < upgrdman> ohhh and some of the stone tops for it bring the price to $1400
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2017-01-02T11:46:28 < kOStiX> http://imgur.com/a/ldUQT
2017-01-02T11:47:20 < upgrdman> those solder-bridges SOP pins are triggering me. even though theyre on the same net.
2017-01-02T11:48:34 < kOStiX> hehe
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2017-01-02T11:58:22 < zyp> kinda hard not to when there's no mask
2017-01-02T11:59:36 < kOStiX> yea
2017-01-02T12:00:16 < kOStiX> gotta get me some silkscreening setup
2017-01-02T12:00:26 < kOStiX> sceen printing i mean
2017-01-02T12:01:25 < Kliment> kOStiX: Mask is typically photoactive
2017-01-02T12:01:34 < Kliment> kOStiX: So spray on, expose, develop
2017-01-02T12:01:55 < kOStiX> that could be too
2017-01-02T12:02:14 < kOStiX> a screen printing mesh could be used to develope a uniform layer aswell
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2017-01-02T12:02:27 < Kliment> kOStiX: It spreads pretty well IME
2017-01-02T12:02:29 < kOStiX> u know some spray brand name?
2017-01-02T12:03:34 < Kliment> kOStiX: Not offhand
2017-01-02T12:05:24 < kOStiX> cool, ill look out for soem
2017-01-02T12:05:25 < kOStiX> some
2017-01-02T12:05:46 < Kliment> kOStiX: for homemade stuff dry film might be a better choice
2017-01-02T12:06:02 < kOStiX> yeah ive seen soldermask films on ebay
2017-01-02T12:06:03 < Kliment> http://www.instructables.com/id/Dry-Film-Solder-Mask/
2017-01-02T12:06:05 < kOStiX> its a bit expensive
2017-01-02T12:06:31 < kOStiX> i do the boards with dry film photoresist with a laminator
2017-01-02T12:07:14 < Kliment> Then it's best to use the same process for mask as well
2017-01-02T12:07:24 < kOStiX> yeah
2017-01-02T12:07:39 < kOStiX> expensive film, much more expensive than the photoresist
2017-01-02T12:08:42 < kOStiX> there are shops downtown that sell uv curable paints for screen printing, a uniform layer could be deposited with an empty screen printing mesh
2017-01-02T12:08:51 < kOStiX> after that expose
2017-01-02T12:09:00 < kOStiX> that should be the cheapest
2017-01-02T12:09:29 < Kliment> kOStiX: If you're going that route, you can buy actual liquid photoimageable soldermask
2017-01-02T12:09:46 < kOStiX> yeah
2017-01-02T12:09:47 < Kliment> Which is just like those UV paints, but also temperature resistant
2017-01-02T12:09:52 < kOStiX> yeah
2017-01-02T12:09:59 < kOStiX> gonna have to look out for it
2017-01-02T12:10:11 < kOStiX> it has to be owened right?
2017-01-02T12:10:23 < Kliment> Yeah, needs a heat pass
2017-01-02T12:10:31 < Kliment> But maybe you can do it with the laminator
2017-01-02T12:10:52 < kOStiX> maybe thru some non-sticky paper
2017-01-02T12:11:04 < kOStiX> like that kitchen paper
2017-01-02T12:12:12 < kOStiX> http://imgur.com/a/dVXYs  full board
2017-01-02T12:13:59 < jpa-> i use some ebay UV-curable soldermask, doesn't need oven and seems to withstand heat reasonably well
2017-01-02T12:14:12 < jpa-> it is somewhat picky about cleaning the copper before application, though
2017-01-02T12:14:16 < kOStiX> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-100-grams-UV-Curable-Solder-Mask-Repairing-Fix-Paint-For-PCB-DIY-Blue-Green-/370787895212?hash=item5654ae47ac:g:85UAAMXQySpRVwsb
2017-01-02T12:14:18 < kOStiX> like this?
2017-01-02T12:15:08 < jpa-> yeah
2017-01-02T12:15:27 < jpa-> they'll arrive wrapped in plastic but the bottle will have leaked in the airplane, so it will all be a sticky mess ;)
2017-01-02T12:15:36 < kOStiX> hehe
2017-01-02T12:15:50 < kOStiX> hopefully not overexposed to light
2017-01-02T12:15:53 < Kliment> Also, don't use the repair pens
2017-01-02T12:16:03 < Kliment> the stuff in them is not temperature resistant
2017-01-02T12:16:23 < kOStiX> havent used that stuff
2017-01-02T12:16:34 < kOStiX> jpa: and how to u deposit it on the pcb?
2017-01-02T12:16:38 < kOStiX> how do you
2017-01-02T12:19:26 < jpa-> i put a blob of it in the middle with a stirring stick, and then put a piece of cellophane and a glass plate over it, and squeeze until it is a thin layer
2017-01-02T12:19:55 < ReadErr> dry film > liquid
2017-01-02T12:20:22 < jpa-> then put the mask between cellophane and glass plate, expose for some 10 minutes and peel off the cellophane
2017-01-02T12:20:28 < kOStiX> cool, and how much of an area do you think those 100gr will cover?
2017-01-02T12:20:33 < ReadErr> real pain in the dick to get the liquid spread evenly 
2017-01-02T12:20:44 < jpa-> kOStiX: maybe a few square meters
2017-01-02T12:20:45 < kOStiX> yeah, best would be spin coat it
2017-01-02T12:20:51 < jpa-> ReadErr: yeah, it won't be even
2017-01-02T12:20:53 < kOStiX> nice
2017-01-02T12:21:00 < Kliment> Someone suggested using a laminator on cold
2017-01-02T12:21:11 < ReadErr> i laminate mine on 
2017-01-02T12:21:15 < ReadErr> works fine
2017-01-02T12:21:18 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/1.5_layer_pcb/masked.jpg   my typical results with the liquid
2017-01-02T12:21:24 < kOStiX> sure, but its expensive, the dry stuff
2017-01-02T12:21:34 < kOStiX> compared to this, in the covered area size
2017-01-02T12:21:39 < kOStiX> versus price
2017-01-02T12:21:39 < ReadErr> well so is making pcb yourself
2017-01-02T12:21:46 < kOStiX> sure hehe
2017-01-02T12:21:48 < Kliment> You don't even try the IC pads jpa-?
2017-01-02T12:21:51 < ReadErr> if ur trying to save money send it to china
2017-01-02T12:22:07 < jpa-> Kliment: not on 0.5mm pitch no, i'm too crappy in positioning
2017-01-02T12:22:20 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/doglight/chip_bites.jpg   this green one was dry film
2017-01-02T12:22:26 < kOStiX> well im just interested in the different technologies on how to build stuff hehe
2017-01-02T12:22:41 < jpa-> ReadErr: making pcbs is cheap if one's time is cheap
2017-01-02T12:22:42 < kOStiX> when i can i try at home, and cheapest ways are always more attractive
2017-01-02T12:23:09 < kOStiX> ordering pcbs from elsewhere would take much more time and be expensive cause of shipping etc
2017-01-02T12:23:14 < ReadErr> jpa-: upfront cost
2017-01-02T12:23:22 < kOStiX> for prototyping i do stuff at home
2017-01-02T12:23:23 < jpa-> ReadErr: what upfront cost?
2017-01-02T12:23:30 < ReadErr> equipment
2017-01-02T12:23:32 < ReadErr> materials
2017-01-02T12:23:40 < ReadErr> the fucked up boards that dont make the cut
2017-01-02T12:23:49 < jpa-> meh, cheap stuff
2017-01-02T12:24:01 < kOStiX> its all bout the setup and how its done
2017-01-02T12:24:03 < ReadErr> point is, I wouldnt make my own to save money
2017-01-02T12:24:05 < kOStiX> can be fast
2017-01-02T12:24:10 < ReadErr> its more about turnaround
2017-01-02T12:24:27 < jpa-> ReadErr: you can buy quick turnaround if you don't care about saving money
2017-01-02T12:24:27 < kOStiX> for me to make a pcb, given i have the design done, is usually around an hour, hour and a half process
2017-01-02T12:24:39 < ReadErr> jpa-: cant buy 1hr spin times
2017-01-02T12:25:31 < kOStiX> much faster if its a toner transfer, which works quite well aswell with the laminator
2017-01-02T12:25:41 < ReadErr> lol fuck toner transfer
2017-01-02T12:25:45 < kOStiX> hehe
2017-01-02T12:25:48 < ReadErr> biggest waste of time ever
2017-01-02T12:25:52 < kOStiX> it works if properly done 
2017-01-02T12:26:00 < kOStiX> with a laminator its a piece of cake
2017-01-02T12:26:04 < kOStiX> and result is very good
2017-01-02T12:26:13 < ReadErr> lets see your stuff 
2017-01-02T12:26:25 < kOStiX> sure lemme search some board
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2017-01-02T12:26:48 < ReadErr> like ones youve made not someone else
2017-01-02T12:27:09 < stvn> ty
2017-01-02T12:27:19 < kOStiX> sure
2017-01-02T12:27:20 < kOStiX> http://imgur.com/a/CiVI0
2017-01-02T12:27:29 < kOStiX> this is a little board i did with toner transfer
2017-01-02T12:27:41 < kOStiX> the transfer is perfect
2017-01-02T12:27:49 < ReadErr> DIP ^.^
2017-01-02T12:28:01 < kOStiX> look at the text size
2017-01-02T12:28:13 < kOStiX> those are like smd traces, so its no problem with smd aswell
2017-01-02T12:28:30 < ReadErr> its not even etched
2017-01-02T12:28:43 < kOStiX> hold on
2017-01-02T12:29:24 < kOStiX> http://imgur.com/a/NRkbE
2017-01-02T12:30:29 < jpa-> did you forget to mirror it or why are the parts on the copper side? :)
2017-01-02T12:30:54 < kOStiX> didnt forget anything hehe, its a single sided board
2017-01-02T12:30:58 < stvn> .
2017-01-02T12:31:01 < ReadErr> why is the copper black?
2017-01-02T12:31:02 < kOStiX> there are actually no holes in it
2017-01-02T12:31:08 < kOStiX> i left the toner transfer
2017-01-02T12:31:29 < kOStiX> so toner is covering all the copper
2017-01-02T12:31:59 < kOStiX> its sort of a cheap antirust hehe
2017-01-02T12:32:11 < jpa-> i wonder why not using smd then :P
2017-01-02T12:32:24 < kOStiX> i had the parts at hand
2017-01-02T12:32:31 < kOStiX> was a quick job
2017-01-02T12:32:33 < stvn> pic
2017-01-02T12:32:37 < kOStiX> its a footswitch midi controller
2017-01-02T12:32:43 < stvn> :3
2017-01-02T12:32:47 < kOStiX> built it for a buddy
2017-01-02T12:33:50 < kOStiX> http://imgur.com/a/m69vP
2017-01-02T12:34:23 < stvn> i like the power switch
2017-01-02T12:34:32 < kOStiX> hehe its actually not power
2017-01-02T12:34:37 < kOStiX> its for disabling the midi-thru
2017-01-02T12:34:43 < stvn> still
2017-01-02T12:34:46 < stvn> i like it
2017-01-02T12:36:06 < kOStiX> http://imgur.com/a/m69vP
2017-01-02T12:36:07 < kOStiX> more pics
2017-01-02T12:38:41 < stvn> what does the red button do
2017-01-02T12:40:33 < kOStiX> the buttons send program change midi messages
2017-01-02T12:40:41 < kOStiX> to change synths patches
2017-01-02T12:42:28 < stvn> i thought it was to control a nuclear reactor
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2017-01-02T12:45:25 < upgrdman> ya if i soldermark at home, dry film is my choice.
2017-01-02T12:45:31 < upgrdman> see last pics here: http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/
2017-01-02T12:45:58 < upgrdman> does a decent job even getting between pads of LQFP
2017-01-02T12:46:26 < stvn> that's quite neat
2017-01-02T12:46:35 < upgrdman> thx
2017-01-02T12:47:09 < kOStiX> yeah looks good
2017-01-02T12:47:16 < kOStiX> ive seen that film on ebay
2017-01-02T12:47:16 < upgrdman> but ya, DIY isn't cheaper these days, with china fabs doing 10 100x100mm boards for $14 shipped
2017-01-02T12:47:34 < upgrdman> i only DIY now if i want same day fuckery
2017-01-02T12:47:41 < upgrdman> which is rare for me
2017-01-02T12:47:47 < stvn> mm
2017-01-02T12:48:18 < ReadErr> stvn: any good pizza reviews lately
2017-01-02T12:48:58 < stvn> nah
2017-01-02T12:49:32 < stvn> the same driver never comes back
2017-01-02T12:49:38 < stvn> always a different delivery person
2017-01-02T12:49:52 < ReadErr> where the one with the can rolling and them chasing it
2017-01-02T12:50:11 < stvn> he probably committed suicide
2017-01-02T12:50:21 < ReadErr> nah the review lol
2017-01-02T12:50:26 < stvn> idk
2017-01-02T12:50:27 < stvn> somewhere
2017-01-02T12:50:40 < ReadErr> the internet never forgets
2017-01-02T12:50:55 < stvn> surely if you can bother to read the logs you may find it
2017-01-02T12:51:07 < ReadErr> nah
2017-01-02T12:51:17 < stvn> sounds like a lot of work
2017-01-02T12:51:22 < ReadErr> yup
2017-01-02T12:51:31 < stvn> freelance it
2017-01-02T12:51:46 < ReadErr> rather just sit here and stone
2017-01-02T12:52:10 < stvn> you on the pots?
2017-01-02T12:52:23 < ReadErr> scorp 
2017-01-02T12:52:29 < stvn> even better
2017-01-02T12:53:31 < ReadErr> http://i.imgur.com/QLJCNbI.jpg
2017-01-02T12:53:33 < ReadErr> me irl
2017-01-02T12:54:02 < kOStiX> hahh
2017-01-02T12:54:08 < kOStiX> im smoking some hash here
2017-01-02T12:54:08 < stvn> legit
2017-01-02T12:54:25 < stvn> better scorp up
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2017-01-02T13:23:22 < stvn> Steffan knows where tec2 is
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2017-01-02T13:34:56 < dongs> time to write dmx receiver code
2017-01-02T13:48:33 < Steffanx> You already have that..
2017-01-02T13:49:53 < dongs> that one sucks
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2017-01-02T14:07:20 < dongs> u8_GloabalOverflowCount++;
2017-01-02T14:07:22 < dongs> gloabal, haha.
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2017-01-02T14:13:45 < dongs> anyone remember if TIM1..4 on F103 run at 36mhz or 72mhz max
2017-01-02T14:14:05 < zyp> depends on which bus they're on
2017-01-02T14:14:11 < zyp> but yes, they're limited to bus speed
2017-01-02T14:14:11 < dongs> but
2017-01-02T14:14:18 < dongs> on F4 thats not the case
2017-01-02T14:14:23 < zyp> IIRC TIM1 is 72 and the rest on 36
2017-01-02T14:14:27 < zyp> yes
2017-01-02T14:14:41 < dongs> some timers "interface" speed is 1/2 but timer speed is == sysclk
2017-01-02T14:14:55 < zyp> on newer chips the timers can run faster than their bus clock
2017-01-02T14:15:52 < zyp> better get LeelooMinai to tell you how the clock graph in cubemx would show you this
2017-01-02T14:16:05 < dongs> lmao thats a good place to check
2017-01-02T14:16:07 < dongs> lemme do taht right nwo
2017-01-02T14:18:15 < dongs> HMM
2017-01-02T14:18:19 < dongs> apb1 peripheral clocks is 36
2017-01-02T14:18:26 < dongs> but abt1 timer clocks is still 72
2017-01-02T14:18:28 < dongs> i think tehy all run at 72.
2017-01-02T14:18:36 < dongs> er APB
2017-01-02T14:18:38 < dongs> same for APB2, also
2017-01-02T14:21:26 < dongs> F4 datasheet is great that it lists specifically waht the max mhz for each timer is
2017-01-02T14:21:31 < dongs> but same table in F1 datasheet doesnt have the mhz.
2017-01-02T14:21:41 < zyp> heh
2017-01-02T15:03:43 < dongs> looks like dmx stuff works. now to clean it up and unhax
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2017-01-02T15:17:01 < Thorn> >The GPIOx_OTYPER and GPIOx_OSPEEDR registers are used to select the output type 
2017-01-02T15:17:01 < Thorn> (push-pull or open-drain) and speed (the I/O speed pins are directly connected to the
2017-01-02T15:17:02 < Thorn>  corresponding GPIOx_OSPEEDR register bits whatever the I/O direction).
2017-01-02T15:17:06 < Thorn> wat
2017-01-02T15:18:02 < dongs> why not
2017-01-02T15:18:20 < Thorn> wtf is "I/O speed pins"
2017-01-02T15:18:41 < dongs> is this from RM or some bvlog post
2017-01-02T15:18:52 < Thorn> RM0090
2017-01-02T15:19:19 < dongs> you know what itsa trying ot say right
2017-01-02T15:19:29 < dongs> its the gpio speed/drive strenth sdelection bits
2017-01-02T15:19:45 < dongs> and that they're configured to match the OSPEEDR register regardless if the pin is input or output
2017-01-02T15:20:03 < dongs> zyp thinks it only makes sense for output
2017-01-02T15:20:36 < Thorn> if it's drive strength then how can it make sense for input
2017-01-02T15:20:55 < Thorn> but the RM never explains what it actually means by "speed"
2017-01-02T15:21:00 < dongs> it cant, but the point is, its still going to be connected through whatever circuit on chip that determines output strentgth
2017-01-02T15:21:05 < Thorn> other than "see datasheet"
2017-01-02T15:21:07 < dongs> its that
2017-01-02T15:21:39 < Kliment> Does it affect pullup/down strength as well?
2017-01-02T15:21:48 < dongs> no those are fixed
2017-01-02T15:22:27 < Thorn> also wat is I/O compensation cell
2017-01-02T15:24:03 < dongs> http://www.fmf.uni-lj.si/~ponikvar/PDFji/STM32F4-Technical-Training.pdf page 75
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2017-01-02T15:27:23 < Thorn> oh and btw why is it called >O<SPEEDr if "... whatever the I/O direction"
2017-01-02T15:27:51 < zyp> what makes you think speed refers to anything but drive strength?
2017-01-02T15:27:52 < dongs> cuz it only affects output
2017-01-02T15:28:07 < dongs> i dont even know why hes looking for this info
2017-01-02T15:28:36 < Thorn> table 50 in the f405/407 datasheet lists rise/fall time and max freqs as function of OSPEEDr
2017-01-02T15:28:45 < dongs> yes...
2017-01-02T15:28:52 < dongs> thats hte "drive strength"
2017-01-02T15:29:51 < zyp> stronger drive strength = faster edges = higher frequencies ok
2017-01-02T15:32:20 < Thorn> yeah I don't disagree, it's just the manuals never bother to say a word about it
2017-01-02T15:32:51 < zyp> or maybe you're just not reading them properly
2017-01-02T16:26:48 < Lambda_Aurigae> morning all.   just found an stm32l100C-dsco discovery board that I must have ordered way back when.
2017-01-02T16:27:06 < Lambda_Aurigae> documentation says it has 16K sram but I'm reading 32K....odd
2017-01-02T16:27:48 < zyp> reading how? internal chip id or just testing the addrs?
2017-01-02T16:28:01 < Lambda_Aurigae> reading it with stlink software.
2017-01-02T16:28:20 < zyp> reading the memory?
2017-01-02T16:28:33 < Thorn> iirc f103vc has twice as much sram as the datasheet says and someone has been using a nonexistent timer on F0
2017-01-02T16:28:39 < zyp> you're sure it's not just aliasing the 16k block twice?
2017-01-02T16:28:45 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-02T16:28:58 < zyp> bunch of chips have extra shit that's undocumented
2017-01-02T16:29:28 < zyp> dongs had some shit with double flash, probably just relabelled parts of the larger variant
2017-01-02T16:29:39 < Lambda_Aurigae> no, not sure of anything.
2017-01-02T16:30:40 < zyp> a chip with 32k will do anything a chip with only 16k is advertised to do, so it can be sold as such if stock/demand makes sense
2017-01-02T16:31:18 < Lambda_Aurigae> yup.
2017-01-02T16:31:28 < Thorn> or if there is a stuck bit or whatever in the upper half lol
2017-01-02T16:32:00 < zyp> that too
2017-01-02T16:32:05 < zyp> binning
2017-01-02T16:32:19 < Thorn> not sure if this still happens with these processes or is even tested for
2017-01-02T16:32:26 < Lambda_Aurigae> intel did the same with the 486 chips years back...486dx had mathco...486sx was same chip with a failed mathco..they would just pulse an onboard fuse and shut it off.
2017-01-02T16:32:26 < Lambda_Aurigae> st-info --probe shows 32K sram.
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2017-01-02T16:33:01 < Lambda_Aurigae> I read that some of the stm32f1xx series were similar..more sram...I have 2 of those I have yet to hook up.
2017-01-02T16:33:26 < Lambda_Aurigae> seems I wasted my money on buying another stlink too as this board has it built in...oh well, always good to have a spare.
2017-01-02T16:33:55 < dongs> i see the problem
2017-01-02T16:34:11 < dongs>  < Lambda_Aurigae> st-info --probe
2017-01-02T16:34:18 < dongs> this is not an official ST tool
2017-01-02T16:34:25 < dongs> some halfassed opensores broken trash.
2017-01-02T16:34:56 < ReadErr> tis but the cost of running a lunix desktop
2017-01-02T16:35:33 < Lambda_Aurigae> well, it's what I have.
2017-01-02T16:35:59 < ReadErr> why not install a usable OS ?\
2017-01-02T16:42:29 < dongs> err wait a fucking second this dumb code
2017-01-02T16:42:36 < dongs>                 for (i = 1; i < globalOverflowCount - MABOverflowCount; i++)
2017-01-02T16:42:36 < dongs>                     timingCounter += TIMER_OVERFLOW_Value;
2017-01-02T16:42:38 < dongs> isnt this just
2017-01-02T16:42:54 < dongs> timing = overflow * (global-mab) ????
2017-01-02T16:42:58 < dongs> why hte fuck do they have a for loop in this shit
2017-01-02T16:43:25 < Thorn> -1
2017-01-02T16:44:51 < dongs> and these numbers are all like uint8_ts, i wonder how does this shit even work if there's overflow /negative numbers
2017-01-02T16:45:14 < dongs> like maboverflow better not be > global or else all shit will break
2017-01-02T16:45:32 < dongs> shit italian code
2017-01-02T16:48:12 < Emil> Hmm
2017-01-02T16:49:06 < Emil> On a normal computer using native register size ints is a oot faster than using unsigned chars
2017-01-02T16:49:18 < dongs> yes, never mind that part
2017-01-02T16:49:31 < Emil> Is the effect same on 32 bit arm?
2017-01-02T16:49:34 < dongs> im copypasting shit code, and refactoring/cleaning it up as i go
2017-01-02T16:49:34 < dongs> yea
2017-01-02T16:50:00 < dongs> unsigned will add extra checks, shit like for loops etc are faster/smaller code just using int
2017-01-02T16:50:09 < Emil> hmm
2017-01-02T16:50:22 < Emil> Good to know
2017-01-02T16:54:03 < Emil> dongs: wait
2017-01-02T16:54:14 < Emil> dongs: you mean using unsigned int is slower than using int?
2017-01-02T16:54:20 < Emil> That I don't believe
2017-01-02T16:54:31 < dongs> as far as I know yeah
2017-01-02T16:55:24 < zyp> I think karlp benchmarked this once,
2017-01-02T16:57:01 < zyp> hmm, maybe somebody else, can't find the post on his blog
2017-01-02T16:57:04 < zyp> maybe it was jpa
2017-01-02T16:58:09 < zyp> ah, no, here it is
2017-01-02T16:58:11 < zyp> http://false.ekta.is/2012/07/code-size-changes-with-int-on-8bit-and-32bit-platforms/
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2017-01-02T16:58:24 < zyp> but it's size benchmarks, not speed
2017-01-02T17:01:08 < KolK> I have such problem: in IRQ handler I receive some data to process (max 1.5kB on each interrupt). I put that data to pool (CMSIS osPool) and a message with pointer to queue (osMessageQ). In GDB I see that during time in which I have about 10 calls of osMessagePut, I hadn't any osMessageGet call. 
2017-01-02T17:01:09 < dongs> i think ive seen that link before
2017-01-02T17:01:23 < KolK> I will post some code in a moment
2017-01-02T17:01:31 < dongs> nice, someone using CMSOS rtos
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2017-01-02T17:02:14 < dongs> er cmsis
2017-01-02T17:02:40 < zyp> KolK, do you have to pull osMessageGet or what?
2017-01-02T17:02:45 < zyp> poll*
2017-01-02T17:03:11 < Emil> zyp: I'm especially interested in speed
2017-01-02T17:04:17 < zyp> Emil, why? is your code too slow?
2017-01-02T17:07:13 < Emil> zyp: no, from a more scholarly standpoint
2017-01-02T17:07:48 < Emil> Readying myself for the transition to arm from avr
2017-01-02T17:08:16 < zyp> oh, that's easy
2017-01-02T17:08:35 < dongs> 1) dont use avr
2017-01-02T17:08:36 < dongs> done
2017-01-02T17:08:36 < zyp> arm is so much faster that even shitty code will run faster than good code on avr
2017-01-02T17:08:48 < zyp> so there's nothing to worry about
2017-01-02T17:08:49 < dongs> also that
2017-01-02T17:08:56 < Emil> zyp: eh, it is not that muvh faster
2017-01-02T17:09:20 < Emil> But sure, in all ways they are better
2017-01-02T17:09:30 < Emil> No argument there hardware wise
2017-01-02T17:09:36 < KolK> https://dpaste.de/Km0o
2017-01-02T17:09:40 < zyp> not that much, just an order of magnitude?
2017-01-02T17:10:21 < KolK> It's my first time with osMessageQ so probably I'm doing sth wrong
2017-01-02T17:10:36 < jpa-> karlp: isn't int_least8_t supposed to be "least" in RAM usage, so it makes sense it ends up taking more flash
2017-01-02T17:10:44 < Emil> zyp: around 5 times
2017-01-02T17:11:04 < zyp> jpa-, I thought it was «at least 8 bits»
2017-01-02T17:11:27 < Emil> Yeah, that's what the type name suggests
2017-01-02T17:11:28 < jpa-> zyp: at least 8 sure, but least amount of bits that is possible on the platform
2017-01-02T17:11:47 < jpa-> whereas int_fast8_t is at least 8, but fastest amount
2017-01-02T17:11:55 < zyp> oh, yeah, you're right
2017-01-02T17:13:02 < KolK> program ends in Default Handler with error: UsageFault due to bad T or IT bits in EPSR
2017-01-02T17:13:38 < dongs> KolK: why donty you check if usb_frame is null or not
2017-01-02T17:13:40 < KolK> I cannot get the instruction which causes that problem, because pc points to Default Handler
2017-01-02T17:13:44 < jpa-> KolK: which toolchain are you using? perhaps it lacks multilib or your linker command line does
2017-01-02T17:13:45 < zyp> KolK, something trashed your stack
2017-01-02T17:14:10 < KolK> dongs, I'll add it
2017-01-02T17:14:12 < jpa-> KolK: x /16xw $sp and pick the addresses that start with 0x08
2017-01-02T17:14:44 < zyp> if PSR is fucked up, I suspect it's because something trashed the saved PSR in the stack of a sleeping thread, so that once the thread wakes up, it crashes
2017-01-02T17:14:59 < jpa-> hmm yeah, would make sense
2017-01-02T17:15:19 < jpa-> setting a watchpoint on it can reveal where that happens
2017-01-02T17:15:23 < KolK> jpa-: ok, it's call from rtos scheduler
2017-01-02T17:15:55 < zyp> that's what I said, the crash happens when the thread is resumed
2017-01-02T17:16:24 < zyp> so you'll find it happens in or around the context switch
2017-01-02T17:16:38 < zyp> which is pretty useless in terms of finding out who trashed your stack
2017-01-02T17:16:44 < jpa-> whereas the real bug has occurred somewhere long before.. yeah
2017-01-02T17:31:54 < KolK> is it possible that problem was caused by usage of message queue or pool from rtos?
2017-01-02T17:32:58 < dongs> donno did you run over your task stack size or forgot to initialize some os stuff etc
2017-01-02T17:45:22 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/02/ai_was_the_fake_news_of_2016/
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2017-01-02T18:34:04 < karlp> http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/evaluation-boards/EVAL-M1-1302/productType.html?productType=5546d46253f6505701544c6f68e3172d is available for "free" from infineon via a new years thing if anyone here's collecting more boards
2017-01-02T18:34:08 < karlp> https://www.arrow.com/en/campaigns/smarthome-smartcity-from-infineon?elq_mid=2589&elq_cid=468755&ic=0580001 for the free link.
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2017-01-02T18:38:51 < zyp> haha, it's designed in eagle
2017-01-02T18:41:44 < KolK> is it correct to use message queues and pools in irq handler?
2017-01-02T18:42:01 < zyp> depends on the particular implementation
2017-01-02T18:42:04 < KolK> because it seems they are a problem
2017-01-02T18:42:31 < KolK> zyp, I use CMSIS RTOS with FreeRTOS 
2017-01-02T18:43:02 < zyp> so you say, but I don't have anything to add since I don't have experience with that particular implementation
2017-01-02T18:43:51 < KolK> ok, question is open, maybe someone will know anything that could help me
2017-01-02T18:45:32 < zyp> weren't your previous problem also stack overflow?
2017-01-02T18:47:29 < KolK> Yes, it was, but now I have SO detection enabled.
2017-01-02T18:47:39 < KolK> Maybe it doesn't do its job well
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2017-01-02T19:16:25 < englishman> sweet, new openvpn doesn't require admin priviliges
2017-01-02T19:22:10 < Laurenceb_> privatize gives rise to prejudice
2017-01-02T19:22:51 < oz4ga> englishman: At last !
2017-01-02T19:24:24 < englishman> i know, right!
2017-01-02T19:25:25 < dongs> ohhh
2017-01-02T19:25:26 < dongs> free boards
2017-01-02T19:26:04 < dongs> karlp: how do i get?!
2017-01-02T19:26:11 < dongs> isolated segger sounds awesome
2017-01-02T19:27:27 < oz4ga> dongs: why do you want it isolated?
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2017-01-02T19:28:37 < dongs> i dont
2017-01-02T19:28:45 < dongs> but i'll add it to my pile of useless boards
2017-01-02T19:29:25 < oz4ga> The drawer of oblivion ;) we all got one
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2017-01-02T19:36:30 < karlp> dongs: not sure, seems to be restricted to us/ca addresses
2017-01-02T19:43:06 < dongs> well i have a usa one
2017-01-02T19:43:12 < dongs> do i just open the 'gree link' from usa?
2017-01-02T19:43:15 < dongs> er free
2017-01-02T19:44:36 < dongs> infineon smart home free sample thing?
2017-01-02T19:44:44 < dongs> ah there that worked
2017-01-02T19:46:01 < dongs> lol arduino shields
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2017-01-02T19:56:15 < dongs> karlp: wow that thing can run a 220V 3phase motor?
2017-01-02T19:56:18 < dongs> sounds safe ~
2017-01-02T19:56:50 < dongs> http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-iMOTION+MADK+Sensorless+FOC+with+XMC-GS-v01_00-EN.pdf?fileId=5546d46255dd933d0155edee06717683 manual for freeboard
2017-01-02T19:57:58 < dongs> ah, up to 320V DC
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2017-01-02T20:12:45 < kakimir> hello pumps
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2017-01-02T20:45:08 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/_fgWQ3TIhyE?t=3m57s DUDE THAT IS NOT A ONE!!!!
2017-01-02T20:45:08 < Rob235> its a fucking hat
2017-01-02T20:54:41 < oz4ga> OMG !!!
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2017-01-02T21:20:43 < Rob235> too confusing for me
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2017-01-02T21:23:30 < Rob235> I just think there should be a vertical line in there
2017-01-02T21:23:49 < Rob235> if you want a short diagonal line on the top left, sure, but I want something vertical at least :)
2017-01-02T21:25:10 < Rob235> yea I guess my point was just making fun of his handwriting :)
2017-01-02T21:25:22 < Rob235> damn fedex, where are you with my fpga
2017-01-02T21:27:10 < Rob235> grr, I realized they did give me a tracking number.. they said they were going to reattempt to deliver but the tracking says its just sitting at the fedex location
2017-01-02T21:30:16 < Rob235> de0-nano-soc (cyclone V)
2017-01-02T21:32:39 < oz4ga> LeelooMinai: Those "hats" are a bit unusual.Hes writing w. left hand. Not an explanation. Still unusual. 
2017-01-02T21:34:19 < oz4ga> stiil a not impressive video
2017-01-02T21:34:20 < Rob235> ahh fedex is closed today
2017-01-02T21:34:45 < Rob235> I just watched all his videos for a quick intro, the i2c one I didn't need at all but watched anyway
2017-01-02T21:35:05 < Rob235> cyclone has arm a9 dual core 925mhz
2017-01-02T21:35:26 < oz4ga> I just wanted to claw my brain out
2017-01-02T21:35:29 < Rob235> but the board has lots of stuff including 1-2GB of ddr3, ethernet and stuff
2017-01-02T21:36:02 < oz4ga> Rob235: sounds exiting
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2017-01-02T21:37:00 < Rob235> never used a fpga before so I just wanted to spend the day playing around with it, damn holidays :)
2017-01-02T21:37:36 < Rob235> Ive been playing with quartus prime, it does seem pretty messy but doable
2017-01-02T21:38:10 < Rob235> I set up the environment for the soc and have like 300 warnings so I'm curious if its even going to work :)
2017-01-02T21:38:42 < oz4ga> Thats the spirit
2017-01-02T21:38:42 < Rob235> and 6-8 min compile times
2017-01-02T21:39:59 < oz4ga> eep! sounds like 1980es on an PC XT
2017-01-02T21:40:10 < Rob235> I forget what the acronym or meaning is, something like cpld? thats like fpga but more basic and cheaper, wonder if that would be easier
2017-01-02T21:41:13 < oz4ga> complex progammable logic device
2017-01-02T21:41:22 < Rob235> did I actually get that right?
2017-01-02T21:41:29 < Rob235> nice
2017-01-02T21:42:19 < oz4ga> ok I asked "uncle" google ;)
2017-01-02T21:42:35 < Rob235> ahh
2017-01-02T21:42:57 < oz4ga> heard it on and on. wanted to know
2017-01-02T21:43:18 < Rob235> man I'm out of dabs too, this is gonna be a boring day 
2017-01-02T21:43:51 < Rob235> maybe I'll read the art of electronics or some basic beginners book
2017-01-02T21:44:31 < oz4ga> Feynman Lectures?
2017-01-02T21:47:11 < Rob235> I thought you didn't even need to use the hard system if you didn't want to.  I dunno I think I'm doing a decent job of understanding things.  its more the basic, general properties of electricity and different components that I need to learn about
2017-01-02T21:47:26 < Rob235> I mean my first electronics project was a drone on an stm32f4 disco board
2017-01-02T21:47:42 < Rob235> I like to dive in 
2017-01-02T21:48:29 < Rob235> learn as I go
2017-01-02T21:49:04 < Rob235> I think I can
2017-01-02T21:49:15 < Rob235> it better be here tomorrow so I guess I'll find out
2017-01-02T21:49:35 < Rob235> I'm ok with that
2017-01-02T21:51:05 < Rob235> yea I think i read enough for that much so far
2017-01-02T21:51:28 < Rob235> I do research before buying things, so just because I don't have it yet doesn't mean I havent been learning in the meantime
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2017-01-02T23:01:25 < kakimir> guise do lot of traveling and all that thing?
2017-01-02T23:01:51 < kakimir> daytrips stay at friends place etc. etc.?
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2017-01-02T23:20:20 < kakimir> do that city thing.. activities, going around, eating outdoors, more activities, more eating, drinking
2017-01-02T23:22:51 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what calculator is that?
2017-01-02T23:23:14 < jadew> can you define functions in it?
2017-01-02T23:27:56 < BrainDamage> personally i use qalc
2017-01-02T23:28:34 < BrainDamage> it handles physical units, arbitary precision, functions, even can do algebra solving even if it's limited
2017-01-02T23:29:30 < Steffanx> Windows? ;)
2017-01-02T23:30:09 < BrainDamage> it's got bash, you can probably run the command line version
2017-01-02T23:31:20 < jadew> ah, I use octave
2017-01-02T23:31:23 < jadew> but it's very rudimentary
2017-01-02T23:32:32 < BrainDamage> i hate octave
2017-01-02T23:33:05 < BrainDamage> matlab syntax is horrible, and octave is pretty limited in terms of toolboxes, and even breaks it here and there
2017-01-02T23:33:18 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-02T23:33:32 < BrainDamage> qualc howrevr is not a math system like octave
2017-01-02T23:33:41 < BrainDamage> it's really just a powerful calculator
2017-01-02T23:33:57 < jadew> I don't use octave for complex stuff
2017-01-02T23:34:06 < jadew> I only have a few basic functions defined there
2017-01-02T23:34:29 < BrainDamage> but i love being able to type
2017-01-02T23:34:31 < BrainDamage> 0.5⋅1kg⋅(xm/s)^2=500J
2017-01-02T23:34:36 < BrainDamage> x = 31,622777 or x = −31,622777
2017-01-02T23:35:19 < kakimir> question about errors
2017-01-02T23:35:38 < BrainDamage> or sqrt(2⋅100J/10g) to km/h 509,11688(km ∕ h)
2017-01-02T23:35:44 < jadew> I wonder why they don't have a windows version
2017-01-02T23:35:55 < jadew> doesn't GTK run on windows?
2017-01-02T23:36:06 < kakimir> is there any sense to do offset defines for errors when want to pass the error thru all the middle functions?
2017-01-02T23:36:08 < BrainDamage> yes it does run
2017-01-02T23:36:20 < jadew> LeelooMinai, thanks
2017-01-02T23:36:28 < BrainDamage> but you'd have to build all the libs, and check if it breaks some FS assumptions
2017-01-02T23:36:31 < jadew> BrainDamage, and I agree, the fact that it understands units is amazing
2017-01-02T23:36:32 < BrainDamage> probably minor changes
2017-01-02T23:36:33 < kakimir> like offset -10 for conversion erros where actual conversion error is added
2017-01-02T23:36:42 < jadew> that example with the ns to Hz conversion is awesome
2017-01-02T23:37:18 < jadew> (optional, for retrieval of exchange rates)
2017-01-02T23:37:26 < jadew> GVfs or GNU Wget (optional, for retrieval of exchange rates)
2017-01-02T23:37:32 < jadew> it does currency conversion too!
2017-01-02T23:37:35 < BrainDamage> yes
2017-01-02T23:37:35 < jadew> oh man...
2017-01-02T23:37:39 < jadew> now I want it
2017-01-02T23:37:57 < Steffanx> I use google for calculations like that.
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2017-01-02T23:38:08 < jadew> LeelooMinai, looks interesting
2017-01-02T23:38:25 < jadew> Steffanx, me too, but I wouldn't mind it if I could do it in a desktop app
2017-01-02T23:40:55 < Rob235> what preferred routing width should I use? 
2017-01-02T23:41:01 < Rob235> for altium
2017-01-02T23:41:05 < Rob235> oshpark min is 6
2017-01-02T23:41:30 < jadew> Rob235, depends on the components you have / board and pcb house
2017-01-02T23:42:02 < Rob235> oh ok
2017-01-02T23:43:01 < jadew> so your default is the minimum?
2017-01-02T23:43:20 < Rob235> I think i'll set min to 6 and default to 10 or 12?
2017-01-02T23:43:59 < aandrew> I open a terminal and run bc whenever I need a calculation
2017-01-02T23:44:12 < aandrew> then I usually realize I've got 30 shell tabs open, 22 of which have bc :-)
2017-01-02T23:44:27 < jadew> bash calculator?
2017-01-02T23:44:35 < BrainDamage> qalc is more powerful than bc, and it has a comand line version too:p
2017-01-02T23:44:41 < aandrew> no, although I have done echo $((...)) before
2017-01-02T23:44:49 < BrainDamage> bash is terrible for math
2017-01-02T23:44:49 < aandrew> it's just become muscle memory
2017-01-02T23:44:52 < BrainDamage> only has integers
2017-01-02T23:45:07 < BrainDamage> alias bc=qalc
2017-01-02T23:45:46 < aandrew> I dislike aliases because when I go on another computer I am all discombobulated
2017-01-02T23:46:08 < kakimir> okay I just pass the original error thru all the levels but how do I manage this errorspace in the project scale?
2017-01-02T23:46:12 < aandrew> and yes, I typically set my DRC to 6/6 unless I need 5/5 which is rare
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2017-01-02T23:46:49 < BrainDamage> i use the gui version on my laptop and the console version on my assdroid
2017-01-02T23:47:42 < machinehum> I have a very strange error using STNucleoF4 and openocd, I've been flashing fine for the while now and suddenly openOCD is throwing errors
2017-01-02T23:47:58 < machinehum> Is it possible that I've bricked the ST w/ firmware?
2017-01-02T23:48:30 < machinehum> Thanks, I'll ask there
2017-01-02T23:48:49 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: I start marrying few modules together so I can just manually adjust the errorspace to some file or so
2017-01-02T23:48:56 < kakimir> but when there is bigger project
2017-01-02T23:49:43 < kakimir> environment? C?
2017-01-02T23:50:04 < kakimir> eh
2017-01-02T23:50:38 < kakimir> :/
2017-01-02T23:51:18 < kakimir> I'm talkin about error codes
2017-01-02T23:51:44 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-02T23:52:41 < kakimir> I have already done that
2017-01-02T23:52:50 < kakimir> I mean there is different errors for different modules
2017-01-02T23:53:00 < kakimir> and I don't want codes to crash
2017-01-02T23:53:22 < kakimir> error codes
2017-01-02T23:53:30 < Fleck> good morning! :)
2017-01-02T23:53:56 < kakimir> and want some stylish solution instead of just hand writing long list of unique defines
2017-01-02T23:54:32 < kakimir> you probably don't understand what I'm trying to do
2017-01-02T23:56:14 < kakimir> #define FUNCTIONX_STRINGSWENTSHIT_ERROR (-5)
2017-01-02T23:56:31 < Rob235> this tutorial says to disable rooms in altium, I'm starting to think I'm in over my head. he doesn't go into it because its not part of the tutorial but should I just disable rooms as well and keep going? :)
2017-01-02T23:57:19 < kakimir> is there any counting precompiler macros for files being processed?
2017-01-02T23:57:43 < kakimir> so I can just do every file with -1 -2 -3 then offset them
2017-01-02T23:58:06 < kakimir> *every modules errors
2017-01-02T23:58:39 < Rob235> ahh
2017-01-02T23:59:25 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-02T23:59:39 < kakimir> how about when I want to keep my modules intact?
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2017-01-03T00:01:29 < kakimir> that would be
2017-01-03T00:01:36 < kakimir> but is there like macro counter thing?
2017-01-03T00:02:57 < kakimir> but can even this be automated to there is no chance of lack of maintaining leading into bizare error codes?
2017-01-03T00:03:56 < kakimir> about that.. is ther unique macro?
2017-01-03T00:04:29 < kakimir> I go to stack overflow for this>
2017-01-03T00:04:58 < kakimir> As others noted, __COUNTER__ is the easy but nonstandard way of doing this.
2017-01-03T00:05:30 < kakimir> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1132751/how-can-i-generate-unique-values-in-the-c-preprocessor
2017-01-03T00:07:27 < kakimir> preprocessor library waass
2017-01-03T00:07:41 < kakimir> I didn't know there was preprocessor libraries
2017-01-03T00:08:29 < kakimir> let's go full down the balls deep in this thing
2017-01-03T00:09:21 < kakimir> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_39_0/libs/preprocessor/doc/index.html
2017-01-03T00:10:36 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-03T00:11:35 < kakimir> I do __COUNTER__ because I don't want to know what preprocessor libraries are about
2017-01-03T00:11:56 < kakimir> unless there is real need
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2017-01-03T00:17:29 < Rob235> grr where do you set annular ring minimum in altium 
2017-01-03T00:18:18 < Rob235> i know but where is annular ring, is it part of via? do I add drill size plus annular ring and put it in via diameter or something?
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2017-01-03T00:19:20 < Rob235> then?
2017-01-03T00:20:20 < Rob235> ok
2017-01-03T00:23:11 < Rob235> if you set the routing rules then do you still have to set the manufacturing rules?
2017-01-03T00:23:39 < Rob235> I guess hole size is the only one im wondering about
2017-01-03T00:24:41 < Rob235> ok
2017-01-03T00:28:15 < Rob235> ok so with drill size = 10mil, and min annular ring is 4mil then min via diameter is going to be 12 mil? or 14 mil
2017-01-03T00:28:49 < Rob235> ohhh nvm i see
2017-01-03T00:46:57 < kakimir> what if I want to do thing that captures all errors and is able to provide them listed with string generated from macro define name strings?
2017-01-03T00:47:18 < kakimir> and there is no centralized error listing
2017-01-03T00:47:48 < kakimir> is there way to see if -123 is defined in any macro?
2017-01-03T00:47:50 < kakimir> and then
2017-01-03T00:48:01 < kakimir> have stringfy the macro name
2017-01-03T00:52:32 < kakimir> #define PARAM_CODING_ERROR_CODE_OFFFSET ((-100)*__COUNTER__)						//Every module should have errors offset by -100 multiplied with __COUNTER__
2017-01-03T00:54:58 < kakimir> I assume that 10 errors per module is too little and 100 would hardly ever exceed
2017-01-03T00:55:31 < kakimir> m3
2017-01-03T00:56:08 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-03T00:57:24 < kakimir> I mean I can capture errors like -123 comes about and error recorder adds one to some array
2017-01-03T00:57:59 < karlp> kakimir: muziks for j00: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuFTCirwmoM&feature=player_embedded
2017-01-03T00:58:03 < kakimir> but if I want the thing to spit it all out via uart or so with error names
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2017-01-03T00:58:24 < kakimir> and error codes are to be partially to totally precompiler generated
2017-01-03T00:58:32 < kakimir> meaning them number
2017-01-03T00:58:33 < kakimir> s
2017-01-03T00:58:56 < kakimir> karlp: thanks
2017-01-03T00:59:04 < englishman> if i want the edge of my pcb to be plated, i pretty much have to put a plated slot all along the edge, dont i
2017-01-03T00:59:42 < kakimir> karlp: actually reminded me of another song in finnish made of this song that I was looking for
2017-01-03T01:00:53 < kakimir> very dirty song
2017-01-03T01:03:34 < zyp> karlp, hey, can I bother you with a couple of questions about energy measurement?
2017-01-03T01:03:58 < zyp> I'm wondering about CTs and burden value
2017-01-03T01:06:31 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/16UQA.pdf <- schematic, page 3 got the relevant stuff
2017-01-03T01:06:51 < zyp> it's pretty much a direct copy off the reference design for the chip
2017-01-03T01:07:09 < zyp> but I'm wondering, is 2.4ohm a reasonable value?
2017-01-03T01:07:24 < aandrew> zyp: that depends entirely on the CT
2017-01-03T01:07:30  * aandrew spent 13 years in industrial power electornics
2017-01-03T01:07:37 < kakimir> karlp: more
2017-01-03T01:08:00 < zyp> aandrew, exactly, and that's where I lack experience
2017-01-03T01:08:05 < zyp> what CT do I want to use?
2017-01-03T01:08:06 < aandrew> zyp: got a datasheet for the CT?
2017-01-03T01:08:13 < aandrew> what are you trying to measure
2017-01-03T01:09:11 < zyp> the consumption of a charging EV
2017-01-03T01:09:45 < zyp> i.e. up to 32A or so in normal cases
2017-01-03T01:10:22 < aandrew> ok, and AC of course, yes?
2017-01-03T01:10:42 < kakimir> aandrew: and left for another field?
2017-01-03T01:10:45 < aandrew> asking the stupid question because it wouldn't be the first time some idiot tried measuring DC current with a CT
2017-01-03T01:10:48 < karlp> kakimir: just follow that channel I guess?
2017-01-03T01:10:53 < karlp> zyp: sure, all day tomorrow :)
2017-01-03T01:10:58 < zyp> aandrew, yes, 230V AC
2017-01-03T01:11:07 < aandrew> kakimir: left to become a contractor and make 4-5x the salary
2017-01-03T01:11:22 < karlp> we use burdens from 0.94 ohms up to ~10 ohms depending on range and ct turns ratio
2017-01-03T01:11:25 < karlp> but yeah, ask me more tomorrow
2017-01-03T01:11:37 < aandrew> zyp: ok, using a standard CT?
2017-01-03T01:11:38 < karlp> aandrew: some of the CT vendors sell "CTs" for AC/DC :)
2017-01-03T01:11:47 < karlp> but yeah, they're not really CTs in the true sense
2017-01-03T01:12:00 < zyp> aandrew, that's what I haven't decided yet
2017-01-03T01:12:38 < aandrew> zyp: find a standard CT which will measure like 50 or 60A peak
2017-01-03T01:12:57 < karlp> what does "standard" mean to you aandrew?
2017-01-03T01:13:09 < aandrew> karlp: something you can buy off the shelf from multiple vendors
2017-01-03T01:13:15 < aandrew> like 300:5 or something
2017-01-03T01:13:25 < karlp> oh, fucking 5amp ct bullshits?
2017-01-03T01:13:27 < karlp> fuck those right off.
2017-01-03T01:13:33 < aandrew> I just eman standard
2017-01-03T01:13:34 < karlp> you're living in the past :)
2017-01-03T01:13:40 < aandrew> not order some custom CT bullshit
2017-01-03T01:13:43 < karlp> who switches out CTs anyway?
2017-01-03T01:13:49 < kakimir> aandrew: congrats
2017-01-03T01:13:55 < zyp> I remember whateverA:5A stuff from when I worked as an electrician
2017-01-03T01:14:00 < aandrew> ?
2017-01-03T01:14:01 < karlp> fuck 5A cts
2017-01-03T01:14:06 < zyp> but 5A through the burden sounds awfully high
2017-01-03T01:14:20 < karlp> yeah, it's for dumb people with shitty analog front ends or some historical crap.
2017-01-03T01:14:21 < aandrew> I'm not sayint THAT CT
2017-01-03T01:14:23 < karlp> fuck it
2017-01-03T01:14:26 < kakimir> congratulations*
2017-01-03T01:14:35 < aandrew> just standard off the shelf
2017-01-03T01:14:41 < karlp> lots of vendors ar emoving to rog coils now anyway it seems
2017-01-03T01:14:48 < karlp> finally got the AFEs to work nicely I guess.
2017-01-03T01:15:21 < zyp> I'd like this thing to work in both single-phase, three phase delta and three phase wye systems, so I'll be measuring current on one, two or three conductors depending on setup
2017-01-03T01:15:25 < aandrew> I got 40 custom CTs for an energy monitor project
2017-01-03T01:15:46 < aandrew> they're like 20:.6 or someshit
2017-01-03T01:15:58 < aandrew> but I need to characterize them
2017-01-03T01:16:34 < zyp> http://www.yhdc.com/en/product/542/ <- this shit looks cute
2017-01-03T01:17:03 < zyp> but do they look reasonable?
2017-01-03T01:18:07 < kakimir> aandrew: have you done vienna rectifiers?
2017-01-03T01:19:57 < zyp> LeelooMinai, what's the purpose of the narrow long pcb?
2017-01-03T01:20:27 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I remember when you were doing that
2017-01-03T01:20:47 < aandrew> kakimir: no
2017-01-03T01:21:30 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-01-03T01:21:54 < englishman> zyp: that's pretty neat. it's even 3 phase. and the price is right.
2017-01-03T01:22:05 < zyp> that's what I thought
2017-01-03T01:22:09 < zyp> so what's the catch?
2017-01-03T01:22:22 < kakimir> what kind of power electronics you do?
2017-01-03T01:22:55 < englishman> maybe it's not actually $0.00
2017-01-03T01:23:19 < zyp> englishman, pretty close: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/3TA17-400-Brand-new-original-goods/1089301_2027976738.html
2017-01-03T01:23:31 < englishman> hmm, nice
2017-01-03T01:25:12 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2pcs-NEW-0-12-300-turn-Current-transformer-leakage-magnetic-coil/32648964952.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_0_10065_10068_10000009_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10062_10056_10055_10037_10054_10059_10032_10099_10078_10079_10077_426_10103_10073_10102_10096_10052_10050_10107_10051_10106,searchweb201603_0,afswitch_2&btsid=d91557a3-98f9-45a9-99c7-c1e15df6eb32
2017-01-03T01:25:21 < aandrew> thats pretty close to what I got
2017-01-03T01:25:55 < aandrew> they're small
2017-01-03T01:26:07 < aandrew> not that small
2017-01-03T01:26:28 < aandrew> two 14AWG wires would be a tight fit
2017-01-03T01:26:30 < BrainDamage> you can use a CT with DC, you just have to shake it hard :p
2017-01-03T01:26:47 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: nice board why did you end up making your own?
2017-01-03T01:26:59 < kakimir> and not using it?
2017-01-03T01:27:15 < zyp> kakimir, I have the impression that that's what LeelooMinai does all the time
2017-01-03T01:27:28 < zyp> making stuff and not using it
2017-01-03T01:27:37 < kakimir> well that's shit
2017-01-03T01:27:49 < kakimir> install those on neighbor roof
2017-01-03T01:28:36 < kakimir> your mother knew your panels were bs
2017-01-03T01:28:52 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'm trying to avold heading in that direction
2017-01-03T01:29:08 < zyp> writing firmware first, making the hardware later
2017-01-03T01:29:45 < kakimir> but when you mount panels for a purpose of generating electricity
2017-01-03T01:29:57 < kakimir> your toy panels do little
2017-01-03T01:30:09 < zyp> I'd do it in this case as well, but the demoboard for the energy measurement chip is $500
2017-01-03T01:30:41 < zyp> so so far the firmware for this project only consists of some shit to control the oled :p
2017-01-03T01:31:09 < kakimir> true.. :/
2017-01-03T01:32:47 < kakimir> was that 400w to be connected into your mains?
2017-01-03T01:33:07 < zyp> my experience is that you learn a bunch of hardware gotchas when you write the firmware, so it's useful to do some prototyping work on the firmware before you design the hardware
2017-01-03T01:33:33 < kakimir> first do kickstarter
2017-01-03T01:33:40 < kakimir> zyp
2017-01-03T01:33:45 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: like falling down the SV rabbit hole
2017-01-03T01:33:46 < kakimir> then start learning to code
2017-01-03T01:34:30 < englishman> ^ that part is optional
2017-01-03T01:34:38 < aandrew> I could totally see PHP as a crowdfunded language
2017-01-03T01:34:54 < zyp> aandrew, so anyway, what do you think about that CT I linked? is 40A:10mA reasonable?
2017-01-03T01:35:30 < kakimir> remember to blink leds with arduino in the crowdfunding intro video
2017-01-03T01:35:55 < zyp> haha
2017-01-03T01:36:04 < zyp> that reminds me of the lpc43xx board I made
2017-01-03T01:36:14 < zyp> I never did anything more than blink leds with it
2017-01-03T01:37:14 < kakimir> them good looking plebs not having any idea what is going on as long they get payed
2017-01-03T01:39:22 < aandrew> zyp: that's the important part (blinkenlights)
2017-01-03T01:39:48 < jadew> https://img.memecdn.com/there-i-fixed-it_o_2613165.jpg
2017-01-03T01:39:50 < aandrew> zyp: 30:.01?
2017-01-03T01:40:06 < aandrew> I'm sure it's fine, but you realize that's just 3000:1
2017-01-03T01:40:12 < aandrew> 300:5 doesn't mean literally a 5A secondary
2017-01-03T01:40:40 < jadew> http://cdn.acidcow.com/pics/20120810/i_fixed_49.jpg
2017-01-03T01:40:43 < aandrew> so now is that 10mA its actual rated current? do you have data on it?
2017-01-03T01:40:51 < zyp> http://www.yhdc.com/en/product/542/
2017-01-03T01:41:23 < aandrew> zyp: basically you need to make sure you operate below the "knee" in the CT response so that you'll have a linear response where it counts
2017-01-03T01:41:47 < zyp> aandrew, which is where the rated current comes in, I assume
2017-01-03T01:41:58 < kakimir> are you guise so efficient that you just throw together boards like that and then leave them to lay around or is there hidden work weeks slash months of free time consumed?
2017-01-03T01:42:03 < aandrew> yeah, I guess it's 10mA rated
2017-01-03T01:42:15 < aandrew> so 30A is a little under where you want to sit but it may still be linear
2017-01-03T01:42:43 < aandrew> now you know never to put current through an unburdened CT right?
2017-01-03T01:43:11 < zyp> aandrew, there's a 40A variant as well
2017-01-03T01:43:22 < englishman> what will that do? if the low side is simply opencircuit?
2017-01-03T01:43:40 < zyp> englishman, drive a very high voltage
2017-01-03T01:44:12 < englishman> sure, so it's only an arc risk?
2017-01-03T01:44:14 < aandrew> if you put current through an open CT it will basically try to develop infinite voltage on the secondary and you end up shorting windings or causing other hard to detect damage that will fuck you
2017-01-03T01:44:14 < zyp> current out = current in * ratio, and what do ohm's law say about current vs resistance?
2017-01-03T01:44:35 < englishman> or it will burn up the coil
2017-01-03T01:44:37 < englishman> mm
2017-01-03T01:45:42 < zyp> aandrew, so anyway, I guess what I'm asking is whether selecting a burden for 10mA is reasonable? would 10mA be so small it's very susceptible to noise?
2017-01-03T01:45:45 < kakimir> aandrew: how big power we are talking about as in power electronics?
2017-01-03T01:45:48 < aandrew> anyway so it seems that is a 10mA maximum secondary current, so you want say 2.5V to be fullscale (depends on your ADC). 2.5V/.01A gives you 2500 ohms
2017-01-03T01:46:15 < aandrew> zyp: that's the question... is that just a nice sampling point or is that the operating point at fullscale
2017-01-03T01:46:16 < zyp> full scale is a lot smaller on this thing, got some sensitive differential ADC shit
2017-01-03T01:46:27 < aandrew> kakimir: you don't really see anything, it shorts out internally
2017-01-03T01:46:40 < aandrew> zyp: sure, but that's where the design comes in
2017-01-03T01:46:46 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-03T01:47:10 < aandrew> zyp: also remember you're getting AC out
2017-01-03T01:47:18 < aandrew> one design I did I rectified the current then burdened it
2017-01-03T01:47:33 < aandrew> slightly less accurate but the CT seemed to work over the forward drop of the diodes just fine
2017-01-03T01:47:45 < aandrew> it just punked out earlier because it oculdn't make the diode drop at low currents
2017-01-03T01:47:48 < zyp> IIRC there's also a 1-4x PGA in front of the ADC, so I could pick burden for 40mA and run it at 4x for this
2017-01-03T01:47:51 < zyp> idk
2017-01-03T01:48:21 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yes
2017-01-03T01:48:38 < zyp> aandrew, also, I don't want to lock myself into that particular CT
2017-01-03T01:48:51 < aandrew> sure, that's why I said go for something fairly standard
2017-01-03T01:48:55 < zyp> especially for single phase setups it would be a bit wasteful to use a triple CT
2017-01-03T01:49:02 < aandrew> if you make sure your burden resistor is easy to change it helps too
2017-01-03T01:49:19 < aandrew> we had a 4 or 5 different custom CTs
2017-01-03T01:49:40 < aandrew> we called them things like 288:1, 864:1 and 2640:1 etc but they weren't :1 it was just normalization
2017-01-03T01:49:47 < zyp> so what's typical currents to design for then?
2017-01-03T01:49:48 < aandrew> we operated at a much lower sampling point of course
2017-01-03T01:50:13 < aandrew> zyp: depends on the CT; 99% of my work was with custom CTs so we knew the knee and we knew were to operate them
2017-01-03T01:50:49 < aandrew> IIRC our burden resistors were usually in the 6-15 ohm range
2017-01-03T01:51:22 < zyp> that's not very helpful without knowing ADC range :p
2017-01-03T01:51:53 < aandrew> well that's why I keep saying you need the CT info
2017-01-03T01:52:03 < aandrew> you want to operate within the linear region before the knee of the CT
2017-01-03T01:52:21 < aandrew> and you adjust your burden resistance so that the voltage developed is in line with what your ADC wants
2017-01-03T01:55:24 < aandrew> hall sensors are nice because they can do AC and DC, they also respond to high frequencies
2017-01-03T01:55:33 < aandrew> we used LEM (specific brand) for our VFDs
2017-01-03T01:55:45 < aandrew> they're pricier and require power
2017-01-03T01:57:48 < aandrew> haha
2017-01-03T01:58:47 < kakimir> okay is there thing to do this counter stuff inside one module and prefferably to leave 0 out?
2017-01-03T01:58:55 < Lambda_Aurigae> LeelooMinai, it's the new maths.
2017-01-03T01:59:09 < kakimir> so that every module has it's own counter or such
2017-01-03T01:59:43 < kakimir> so that I can generalize error codes completelly into identical macro in every one
2017-01-03T02:00:13 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Jackie-Chan-WTF.jpg
2017-01-03T02:01:59 < kakimir> sure
2017-01-03T02:02:30 < kakimir> but I still need something that only works inside the module
2017-01-03T02:02:37 < kakimir> only
2017-01-03T02:05:10 < kakimir> or just do count for every single error
2017-01-03T02:05:26 < kakimir> *(-1)
2017-01-03T02:06:01 < kakimir> I learned new word today
2017-01-03T02:06:06 < kakimir> "bikeshedding"
2017-01-03T02:06:31 < kakimir> but fruitless
2017-01-03T02:06:40 < kakimir> just autism
2017-01-03T02:07:42 < kakimir> somewhat related to trees
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2017-01-03T02:14:56 < kakimir> hmm precompiled headers
2017-01-03T02:20:08 < kakimir> what is ## operator?
2017-01-03T02:20:51 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-03T02:22:55 < zyp> my lib is the same
2017-01-03T02:23:46 < zyp> some stuff are in headers because I want it inlined, while other stuff are in headers because I'm too lazy to split it into declarations and definitions
2017-01-03T02:24:29 < zyp> I'm getting away with it, because most of my projects end up as a single file itself
2017-01-03T02:24:40 < zyp> or possibly split into more headers, but still one translation unit
2017-01-03T02:25:22 < zyp> I'm going to have to fix that at some point when I'm doing a larger project
2017-01-03T02:26:16 < zyp> there's LTO
2017-01-03T02:26:37 < zyp> but it weren't well supported if at all when I started out
2017-01-03T02:27:48 < zyp> no
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2017-01-03T02:28:50 < zyp> LTO works by emitting intermediate form instead of machine code to object files
2017-01-03T02:29:45 < zyp> that's not a limitation
2017-01-03T02:30:49 < zyp> when the linker gets intermediate form of all translation units, it's possible to inline and fold code across translation units
2017-01-03T02:30:57 < zyp> as if it were a single translation unit in the first place
2017-01-03T02:31:06 < zyp> that's a lot more than «removing duplicates»
2017-01-03T02:34:12 < zyp> yes, it's the source broken into a logic tree
2017-01-03T02:34:26 < zyp> or whatever you call it
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2017-01-03T02:43:29 < upgrdman> what does "fold code" mean?
2017-01-03T02:44:13 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_folding
2017-01-03T02:45:30 < upgrdman> o nic
2017-01-03T02:45:33 < upgrdman> o nice
2017-01-03T02:46:19 < upgrdman> so are there any dangers to LTO?
2017-01-03T02:46:29 < upgrdman> i recall people bitching about it and not using it :/
2017-01-03T02:47:21 < aandrew> ok stupid question time
2017-01-03T02:47:23 < aandrew> in Word, can I tag a line (say I have a document where I"m listing a bunch of tasks) and then at some point later in the document say "list all the lines that match tag "blah" here" ?
2017-01-03T02:47:24 < zyp> IIRC there were some issue that you needed to use a different linker which had some issues with linker scripts
2017-01-03T02:48:05 < zyp> and then there's code written with the assumption that it won't be optimized out due to being in a different translation unit
2017-01-03T02:48:32 < zyp> just like other code breaking when normal optimizations are turned on because it's making false assumtions
2017-01-03T02:49:21 < upgrdman> can you give/link a short example of that?
2017-01-03T02:49:42 < zyp> upgrdman, example of what?
2017-01-03T02:50:06 < upgrdman> zyp, code that assumes something wont be optim'd out, and fails when stuff is optim'd out
2017-01-03T02:50:15 < upgrdman> kinda confused.
2017-01-03T02:50:34 < upgrdman> i always -03 with no problems, so i must be doing something right... without knowing it
2017-01-03T02:50:34 < zyp> void delay(unsigned int n) { while(n--); }
2017-01-03T02:50:44 < aandrew> -Os 4 lyfe
2017-01-03T02:51:03 < upgrdman> -O3 i meant
2017-01-03T02:51:12 < zyp> aandrew, why -Os? are you normally having problems fitting it into flash?
2017-01-03T02:51:20 < upgrdman> isnt -Os for file size? so sacrifice perf for flash usage?
2017-01-03T02:51:21 < aandrew> I always use "space ;" construct, seems to be the unwritten standard of telling the compiler that busy loop is intentional
2017-01-03T02:51:26 < zyp> upgrdman, exactly
2017-01-03T02:51:40 < aandrew> zyp: nah. code that fits into cache lines tends to execute faster
2017-01-03T02:51:43 < zyp> -Os is -O2 without code-size-increasing optimization steps
2017-01-03T02:51:46 < aandrew> just a habit really
2017-01-03T02:52:16 < zyp> aandrew, on micros without cache? :)
2017-01-03T02:53:14 < zyp> yeah, -O2 is the normal optimization level
2017-01-03T02:53:33 < upgrdman> well if -O3 works, any reason not to use it?
2017-01-03T02:54:54 < zyp> «-O3 turns on all optimizations specified by -O2 and also turns on the -finline-functions, -funswitch-loops, -fpredictive-commoning, -fgcse-after-reload, -ftree-loop-vectorize, -ftree-loop-distribute-patterns, -fsplit-paths -ftree-slp-vectorize, -fvect-cost-model, -ftree-partial-pre, -fpeel-loops and -fipa-cp-clone options.»
2017-01-03T02:57:12 < zyp> heh, -funswitch-loops sounds fun
2017-01-03T02:59:08 < zyp> well, if the loop body is small, the cost of the conditional could be significant
2017-01-03T03:01:18 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/jFNjJ <- it'd probably work well for shit like this
2017-01-03T03:02:13 < zyp> although it'd probably be better to turn inc into +1 or -1 and add that to the element
2017-01-03T03:02:26 < zyp> for this particular example
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2017-01-03T03:02:39 < stvn> gangster32
2017-01-03T03:02:45 < zyp> stvn32
2017-01-03T03:02:58 < stvn> o/
2017-01-03T03:06:18 < zyp> is this the v7e stuff?
2017-01-03T03:06:55 < zyp> F4 is v7e
2017-01-03T03:07:12 < zyp> I.e. the SIMD stuff
2017-01-03T03:07:31 < zyp> M4 I mean
2017-01-03T03:08:56 < zyp> exactly
2017-01-03T03:09:05 < zyp> M3 is v7, M4 is v7e
2017-01-03T03:09:13 < zyp> so there's a difference even for M4 without FPU
2017-01-03T03:11:22 < stvn> i see
2017-01-03T03:11:57 < stvn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-M#Cortex-M4
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2017-01-03T03:42:58 < stvn> 24 hours a day 365.25 days a year 
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2017-01-03T04:34:43 < dongs> < upgrdman> well if -O3 works, any reason not to use it?
2017-01-03T04:34:44 < dongs> yes
2017-01-03T04:34:45 < dongs> gcc
2017-01-03T04:35:31 < dongs> yeah i remember when M4 first came out and i was like yay FPU and went and gbought s ome fucking kinetis shitboard
2017-01-03T04:35:52 < dongs> then it arrived and i started reading shitty NXP docs and they'rew like oh, it's M4, but not M4F, no floats 4 u
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2017-01-03T04:36:10 < dongs> then i tried to get a build environment going wiht thier shitty cockwarrior studio shit which was complete aids
2017-01-03T04:36:28 < dongs> and from that point started my hate for paul stofferger, teensy, and all things kinetis
2017-01-03T04:38:08 < upgrdman> is that rant related to -O3 or just another fun event?
2017-01-03T04:38:10 < dongs> shitprocessor, shit docs, and a shit company that coujldnt even afford t o pay arm for FPU license at release
2017-01-03T04:38:46 < dongs> no0 the m4 rant was about previosu discussion about something M4/V7 stuff
2017-01-03T04:39:01 < dongs> and m4 without fpu
2017-01-03T04:39:09 < upgrdman> good plumber   https://youtu.be/8EAO_tAqtbw?t=233
2017-01-03T04:39:43 < zyp> dongs, haha
2017-01-03T04:40:14 < dongs> i still have that kinetis trash somewehre
2017-01-03T04:40:21 < dongs> oh it also came wiht some joke debugger
2017-01-03T04:40:23 < dongs> uh...
2017-01-03T04:40:29 < dongs> some OPENSCA thing or someshit
2017-01-03T04:40:31 < dongs> that nothing supported
2017-01-03T04:40:35 < zyp> openscat
2017-01-03T04:40:42 < dongs> except of course that shitty cockwarrior thing
2017-01-03T04:40:53 < zyp> hmm, I think that's what on that vybrid board I bought as well
2017-01-03T04:40:58 < zyp> that I never got to boot
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2017-01-03T04:44:22 < dongs> no surprise there, shit debugger is shit
2017-01-03T04:44:53 < zyp> well, I think the opensca thing were for the M4 cores in it, mainly
2017-01-03T04:45:11 < zyp> but I never got the A5 shit booting
2017-01-03T04:45:16 < zyp> or something, idk
2017-01-03T04:45:47 < zyp> never bothered finding software that would work with the debugger so I don't know if it would tell me anything
2017-01-03T04:46:07 < dongs> i cant find the board now either
2017-01-03T04:46:17 < dongs> it was some weird thing wiht LCD and pcie edge connector
2017-01-03T04:46:23 < dongs> KL50MZ or some trash
2017-01-03T04:46:36 < zyp> that tower shit?
2017-01-03T04:46:43 < dongs> yes
2017-01-03T04:46:59 < dongs> i think they dumped that particular board now tho
2017-01-03T04:47:07 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/products/software-and-tools/hardware-development-tools/tower-development-boards/peripheral-modules/graphical-lcd-tower-system-module:TWR-LCD it was not this
2017-01-03T04:48:01 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/products/software-and-tools/hardware-development-tools/tower-development-boards/tower-system-related-products/ultra-low-cost-development-tool-for-kinetis-mcus:KWIKSTIK-K40
2017-01-03T04:48:05 < dongs> i think this
2017-01-03T04:48:12 < dongs> hmm no that one has segger now
2017-01-03T04:48:18 < dongs> and i dont recall seeing audio connector
2017-01-03T04:48:30 < dongs> my shit was for sure openscat aids, they might have discontinued it and replaced with that one
2017-01-03T04:49:56 < dongs> anyway wahtever fuck kinetis
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2017-01-03T04:58:17 < zyp> depends
2017-01-03T04:59:29 < zyp> for stuff like spi devices, I like making a thin wrapper that lets me control the bus over usb, and then I hack up some quick python to talk to the device
2017-01-03T05:00:10 < zyp> that lets me figure out the protocol and stuff quickly, and later I write a C++ driver for that
2017-01-03T05:00:40 < dongs> i add cli to the app
2017-01-03T05:01:57 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/iCPvf <- here's stuff for the nfc reader chip I used
2017-01-03T05:02:49 < dongs> fuck, python looks as unreadable as ever
2017-01-03T05:03:01 < dongs> i just wrote a thing in C that let me pass those ascii commands over to it and that was more than enough
2017-01-03T05:03:12 < dongs> so i could just do send_cmd("sdfsdf" in code
2017-01-03T05:03:14 < zyp> LeelooMinai, talks to a thin wrapper running on the target
2017-01-03T05:04:05 < dongs> join('%02x' % ord(c) for c in response[-4:-12:-1])
2017-01-03T05:04:07 < dongs> like, for fucking real?
2017-01-03T05:04:11 < zyp> LeelooMinai, http://paste.jvnv.net/view/Z177j
2017-01-03T05:05:46 < zyp> sure
2017-01-03T05:07:41 < zyp> most stuff I do involves USB of some sort
2017-01-03T05:08:08 < zyp> I like the convenience
2017-01-03T05:08:59 < zyp> barrier to entry might be higher than for other protocols, but once you have a basic stack in place, you've got a framed transport with flow control
2017-01-03T05:09:38 < dongs> more like flawed transport, cuz youre using python
2017-01-03T05:10:46 < zyp> eh, most of the USB latency would be through the host stack
2017-01-03T05:11:09 < dongs> anyway nothing wrong wiht opening a usb cdc serial console on the target and having some simple cli to do stuff that you cant easily do in debugger already
2017-01-03T05:11:44 < dongs> for some stuff its just as easy to make params for whatever i2c/spi stuff editable in debugger and just keep resetting program counter to the same code and re-running it and checking results.
2017-01-03T05:11:53 < zyp> dongs, I don't disagree, it's just more work
2017-01-03T05:12:02 < dongs> not particularly, not the debugger part at least
2017-01-03T05:12:09 < dongs> you already have the code, youre just modifying argumetns t o it
2017-01-03T05:12:19 < dongs> it doesn't need anything "extra"
2017-01-03T05:13:10 < dongs> is lelooman disagreeing with everything anywaY?
2017-01-03T05:13:47 < dongs> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa USB so latency. my mission critical cortex m0 device talking to xmos is too slow to cli over usb
2017-01-03T05:14:20 < zyp> dongs, idk what the latency argument was about, no followup yet
2017-01-03T05:15:25 < dongs> these o6-types have all these theoretical "problems" they try to solve before even doing any actual fucking wor k
2017-01-03T05:15:29 < zyp> LeelooMinai, hmm?
2017-01-03T05:15:31 < dongs> just start coding shit and shut up, and it will wokr
2017-01-03T05:16:38 < dongs> lets spend half a year deciding to use stdperiphlib, cube or libopencm3
2017-01-03T05:16:47 < dongs> that project will surely write itself by then
2017-01-03T05:17:08 < dongs> the bits will be so bored tehy will arrange themselves into legit code
2017-01-03T05:17:20 < zyp> LeelooMinai, what makes you think ethernet has better latency than usb?
2017-01-03T05:17:32 < dongs> haha oh man
2017-01-03T05:17:43 < dongs> zyp, its GIGABIT ethernet
2017-01-03T05:17:45 < dongs> using XMOS
2017-01-03T05:17:47 < dongs> so its super fast
2017-01-03T05:19:01 < zyp> why not?
2017-01-03T05:21:31 < zyp> USB FS framerate is 1kHz, giving a 1ms period
2017-01-03T05:22:00 < zyp> for bulk, if there's not a ton of other activity on the bus, host will poll a ton of times per frame
2017-01-03T05:22:31 < zyp> a lot of things that are well known are still untrue
2017-01-03T05:23:00 < zyp> like the myth that USB restricts keyboards to 6-key rollover
2017-01-03T05:23:27 < dongs> when people ask me "how do i xyz" where xyz is something unreasonable, I generally ask tehm "why the fuck do you need to do xyz that way" and it ends up being tha they dont really actualyl need it and are just too dumb to see the light of the true way
2017-01-03T05:23:43 < zyp> dongs, that's also true
2017-01-03T05:24:01 < dongs> lol @ 6 key rollover
2017-01-03T05:24:08 < dongs> surely thats just limtied by garbage chinese cpu
2017-01-03T05:24:23 < zyp> or lazy design
2017-01-03T05:24:36 < dongs> do keyboarod matrixes have diodes on evrey key these days?
2017-01-03T05:24:39 < dongs> or do they just cheat
2017-01-03T05:24:49 < zyp> probably only hardcore gamer bullshit
2017-01-03T05:24:54 < fenugrec> cheat. diodes are $$$
2017-01-03T05:25:40 < dongs> yeah totally $ compared to those pro gaymer brown turd switches
2017-01-03T05:25:55 < dongs> i heard they have gamer shit with socketed switches
2017-01-03T05:25:56 < dongs> so you can swap them out
2017-01-03T05:26:00 < dongs> with some other color
2017-01-03T05:26:09 < dongs> for moar clicks
2017-01-03T05:26:15 < fenugrec> not just color
2017-01-03T05:26:16 < zyp> dongs, haha
2017-01-03T05:26:29 < dongs> fenugrec: are you involved with such product?
2017-01-03T05:26:30 < fenugrec> you can select force-distance curves
2017-01-03T05:26:35 < fenugrec> not at all
2017-01-03T05:26:44 < fenugrec> don't even own one. But was curious enough to read about them
2017-01-03T05:26:57 < dongs> so liek, further keys from homerow are easier to press?
2017-01-03T05:26:58 < dongs> or something?
2017-01-03T05:27:07 < zyp> LeelooMinai, nobody talked about leds
2017-01-03T05:27:12 < dongs> (not like anyone actually TYPES on gamer keyboards)
2017-01-03T05:27:18 < zyp> the question was about diodes to avoid ghosting in the matrix
2017-01-03T05:27:24 < fenugrec> I dunno, or if your left hand is weak, lighter touch, whatever
2017-01-03T05:27:57 < dongs> ic
2017-01-03T05:28:15 < fenugrec> but yeah, diodes are $$ if otherwise your PCB has 0 components besides a USB epoxy blob
2017-01-03T05:28:24 < dongs> well, yeah true
2017-01-03T05:28:32 < dongs> so how do they do it cheating?
2017-01-03T05:28:37 < dongs> just scan differently or soemthing?
2017-01-03T05:28:48 < dongs> more wires to teh controller to scan per row or something?
2017-01-03T05:29:01 < dongs> hm no that still doesnt quite work
2017-01-03T05:29:05 < zyp> ghosting is only a problem if at least three buttons are pressed and two of them are same row and two are same col
2017-01-03T05:29:34 < zyp> so just detect that and report it as «too many keys pressed» I guess
2017-01-03T05:30:07 < dongs> too many keys presed, begin roll over
2017-01-03T05:31:01 < fenugrec> yea I think it's just a combination of clever selection of rows/cols , and just detecting blocking problematic combos
2017-01-03T05:31:27 < dongs> so i passed dmxboard bringup code to the d ude whos gonna do most of the coding
2017-01-03T05:31:34 < dongs> and first thing he sends me a vid of is blikning ethernet jack leds :(
2017-01-03T05:31:39 < zyp> haha
2017-01-03T05:31:45 < zyp> done, ship it.
2017-01-03T05:32:57 < zyp> dongs, btw, have you done footprints with pcb cuts?
2017-01-03T05:33:49 < ReadErr> dongs: you remember some guy named jewbird 
2017-01-03T05:34:21 < dongs> zyp, whats pcb cutout, like to fit some piece of device on the board?
2017-01-03T05:34:29 < dongs> like a switch with shit prodtruding out  the bottom or something
2017-01-03T05:34:36 < dongs> or mid-mount USB socket
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2017-01-03T05:34:45 < fenugrec> unrelated q - at what point (if ever) do you guys go for a RTOS instead of wrestling with interrupts, handrolled message queues / FIFOs, etc ? I'm on something where timing isn't critical enough to really require super tight ISRs, but I have 3 IO "workers", USB garbage, etc
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2017-01-03T05:35:09 < zyp> I'm thinking about this oled shit, with fpc wrapped through a slot and soldered on the back
2017-01-03T05:35:15 < dongs> fenugrec: donno, cooos, cmsis-rtos (keil rtx) works pretty good 
2017-01-03T05:35:22 < dongs> or the usual bloated chibios etc garbage
2017-01-03T05:35:28 < dongs> i like cooos+rtx cuz they dont try to push any hal trash on y ou
2017-01-03T05:35:32 < dongs> just the tasks, plz
2017-01-03T05:35:37 < fenugrec> chibos, bloated ? didn't look to bad when I browsed the code
2017-01-03T05:35:39 < ReadErr> http://people.zoy.org/~sam/yhbt/
2017-01-03T05:35:51 < dongs> zyp, i did exctly that on the shittyflasher
2017-01-03T05:36:06 < dongs> oled is soldered on bottom, cable wrapped around pcb edge
2017-01-03T05:36:10 < dongs> and i stick it to the board w/tape
2017-01-03T05:36:16 < dongs> but how does that work for "cutout"?
2017-01-03T05:36:37 < zyp> well, if you're not placing it close to the board edge, it'll need a cutout to wrap to the back
2017-01-03T05:36:51 < dongs> oh, right, i guess i did that on the larger LCD board
2017-01-03T05:36:54 < zyp> http://www.waveshare.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x800/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/0/_/0.95inch-rgb-oled-a-3.jpg <- like this shit
2017-01-03T05:37:00 < dongs> cutout in pcb to run the cable into the socket on other side
2017-01-03T05:37:04 < dongs> ya\
2017-01-03T05:37:30 < dongs> anyway, you do those on pcb
2017-01-03T05:37:31 < dongs> not in footprint
2017-01-03T05:37:37 < dongs> you can make the area in footprint as some mech layer
2017-01-03T05:37:40 < dongs> to specify cutout
2017-01-03T05:37:42 < zyp> just wondering if I should bother making a footprint for the entire thing with cutout and all, or just for the pads and to the rest on the board design itself
2017-01-03T05:37:44 < dongs> then just do board cutout when its finally placed
2017-01-03T05:37:53 < dongs> pads + mech for cutout/dimensions.
2017-01-03T05:37:57 < dongs> then cut it on the board once placed.
2017-01-03T05:39:01 < zyp> I kinda like the idea of doing it all in the footprint so I can move it around as a single unit
2017-01-03T05:39:48 < dongs> how you gonna put board cutout into footprint
2017-01-03T05:39:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mDQlKrK.png
2017-01-03T05:40:11 < dongs> thats my chinaoled
2017-01-03T05:40:29 < zyp> dongs, well, I could just make it a drilled slot
2017-01-03T05:40:42 < zyp> and mark it unplated
2017-01-03T05:40:47 < dongs> and pcb place will murder you
2017-01-03T05:40:50 < zyp> haha
2017-01-03T05:40:57 < zyp> :D
2017-01-03T05:43:24 < dongs> is that the oled youre using?
2017-01-03T05:43:44 < zyp> I think so
2017-01-03T05:44:55 < zyp> ah, it's possible to declare actual board cutouts in the footprint too
2017-01-03T05:45:23 < zyp> Region - Kind: Board cutout
2017-01-03T05:45:49 < zyp> so that should make the end result no different from doing it in the board itself
2017-01-03T05:46:12 < dongs> hm okay
2017-01-03T05:46:22 < dongs> also: dont forget to make same shape keepout layer on top of it
2017-01-03T05:46:44 < dongs> or else when pcb looks at your gko they can't tell that you have a hole there
2017-01-03T05:47:39 < zyp> what about having shit on the keepout layer that's not part of the board outline? :p
2017-01-03T05:48:09 < zyp> hmm, AFAIK you can export a separate board outline gerber
2017-01-03T05:48:21 < zyp> I learned that last place I worked
2017-01-03T05:48:38 < dongs> donno, sure, as long as whatever outline it is has all the holes/etc that you need to cut
2017-01-03T05:48:46 < dongs> but default place for that is .gko
2017-01-03T05:48:52 < dongs> you can put it in whatever you want tho
2017-01-03T05:49:15 < dongs> and yes, ive had that stuff before
2017-01-03T05:49:23 < dongs> where i had actual keepout regions on gko layer
2017-01-03T05:49:29 < dongs> and got a call like "do y ou want these cut or wat'
2017-01-03T05:49:30 < dongs> kinda thing.
2017-01-03T05:49:32 < zyp> haha
2017-01-03T05:49:51 < zyp> I have keepout shit on the AC board to keep polygons away from mounting screws
2017-01-03T05:50:19 < dongs> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/301724534116 project to autism over
2017-01-03T05:51:49 < zyp> hmm, I must be misremembering something
2017-01-03T05:51:51 < dongs> i386EX: 16 MHz @2.7~3.3 volt or 20 MHz @3.0~3.6 volt or 25 MHz @4.5~5.5 volt
2017-01-03T05:52:00 < fenugrec> 386, sweet
2017-01-03T05:52:22 < fenugrec> I kept a 387 coprocessor (PLCC something) for years, for fun
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2017-01-03T05:53:45 < dongs> wow you can have up to 64meg ram on taht thing
2017-01-03T05:54:03 < dongs> autismmmmmmmmmmmmm
2017-01-03T05:54:11 < dongs> could run the newly released FreeDOS 1.2 on that shit
2017-01-03T05:55:36 < fenugrec> dpmi like it's 91
2017-01-03T05:55:57 < zyp> dongs, ah, found a trick
2017-01-03T05:56:19 < zyp> instead of putting actual keepout shit on keepout layer, place them on multi-layer and check the keepout-checkbox
2017-01-03T05:56:51 < zyp> that'll leave gko free to use as board outline
2017-01-03T05:59:53 < zyp> and there doesn't seem to be any point in including the keepout in the footprint, «create primitives from board shape» got an «include cutouts» checkbox
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2017-01-03T06:04:54 < upgrdman> china work safety   https://youtu.be/u0Qo4xf1KX0?t=27
2017-01-03T06:05:21 < ohsix> link well received
2017-01-03T06:05:26 < dongs> cool
2017-01-03T06:06:03 < dongs>  < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/ImperfectGloomyIbisbill
2017-01-03T06:06:05 < ohsix> why is that unsafe?
2017-01-03T06:06:06 < dongs> is that from same series
2017-01-03T06:06:16 < ohsix> they should take some vidya of people working mines
2017-01-03T06:06:24 < dongs> music on that channel is awesome
2017-01-03T06:06:37 < ohsix> that's problem solving
2017-01-03T06:07:52 < upgrdman> dongs, na that vid is from the same channel as that metal forging video with weird trance music or whatever it was
2017-01-03T06:07:58 < dongs> right
2017-01-03T06:08:02 < ohsix> huhu the only thing you'd have to do to be justifiably safe is tie off when you are on the thing
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2017-01-03T06:10:23 < upgrdman> dongs, re ebay: wasnt 386 a PGA chip? is that QFP some special embedded version?
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2017-01-03T06:10:53 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9aArr795OQ that is nice
2017-01-03T06:11:00 < dongs> upgrdman: yes, corect, embedded version
2017-01-03T06:11:07 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-03T06:11:08 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386EX
2017-01-03T06:17:21 < upgrdman> that fucking thumbs-up guy at the end. lolwut  https://youtu.be/p9aArr795OQ?t=205
2017-01-03T06:20:18 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Seems like a normal GAY to me...
2017-01-03T06:20:22 < upgrdman> ftfy
2017-01-03T06:20:22 < dongs> ahahahaha
2017-01-03T06:20:25 < dongs> upgrdman: that wazer video
2017-01-03T06:20:29 < dongs> is from dickstarter!!!
2017-01-03T06:20:36 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1294137530/the-first-desktop-waterjet-cutter
2017-01-03T06:20:39 < upgrdman> ya i know
2017-01-03T06:20:56 < upgrdman> they channel just rips random shit and adds their shit music and prolly ad revenue
2017-01-03T06:21:03 < dongs> yes
2017-01-03T06:35:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> But like, wouldn't the steak be gritty?
2017-01-03T06:35:31 < zyp> LeelooMinai, uh, is sizeof... standard?
2017-01-03T06:35:41 < Rob235> LeelooMinai: why bother arguing with these homophobes
2017-01-03T06:35:43 < zyp> also, wouldn't it return the byte size like plain sizeof()?
2017-01-03T06:35:51 < Rob235> r2com would probably be crying if he were here.  He can't handle anything
2017-01-03T06:35:59 < zyp> LeelooMinai, also why not just []?
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2017-01-03T06:36:14 < zyp> I do the latter in my logging thing
2017-01-03T06:36:38 < zyp> and does it return 3 or 12 in your case?
2017-01-03T06:37:05 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/util/rblog.h <- I do a similar unpack here
2017-01-03T06:37:27 < zyp> int a[] = {A...};
2017-01-03T06:37:55 < zyp> and why is that of course? int a[3]; sizeof(a) doesn't return 3
2017-01-03T06:39:07 < zyp> yeah, reference says you're right
2017-01-03T06:39:17 < stvn> Leeloo32
2017-01-03T06:39:37 < zyp> just weird to call it sizeof... when sizeof which on the contrary does not count elements
2017-01-03T06:40:09 < zyp> why wouldn't it work?
2017-01-03T06:40:22 < ohsix> ghosting the matrix
2017-01-03T06:40:24 < zyp> fair point
2017-01-03T06:40:34 < zyp> but confusing
2017-01-03T06:41:42 < zyp> heh
2017-01-03T06:42:33 < Rob235> good luck :)
2017-01-03T06:47:05 < ohsix> 2017: seeing less dumb stuff
2017-01-03T06:47:08 < ohsix> so far it sounds like a lot
2017-01-03T06:54:43 < ReadErr> eh i duno about that
2017-01-03T06:55:12 < ReadErr> dongs: http://thegayniggersfromouter.space/yhbt_2016_mp3.rar
2017-01-03T06:55:19 < ReadErr> he uploaded the tagged one if you wanted it
2017-01-03T06:55:31 < ReadErr> said its the last copy in existence lol
2017-01-03T07:13:00 < stvn> some dirty cuck left a screw in the bottom of this chassis
2017-01-03T07:15:11 < ohsix> jadew: verified it starts at megohm and goes down today
2017-01-03T07:18:19 < Rob235> ugh, girls fucking suck
2017-01-03T07:18:40 < stvn> ok
2017-01-03T07:19:09 < Rob235> haha no sorry, gf just pissing me off
2017-01-03T07:19:33 < stvn> beat her
2017-01-03T07:24:13 < stvn> for the white justice
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2017-01-03T07:32:14 < ohsix> grr center negative power supplies
2017-01-03T07:32:32 < ohsix> i need to throw these things out, i dunno why i think it _helps_ to save them, just in case i need them
2017-01-03T07:50:08 < ReadErr> maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
2017-01-03T07:50:12 < ReadErr> http://deprogramwiki.com/programming/the-illuminati-formula-used-to-create-an-undetectable-total-mind-controlled-slave/#BETA_Sexual_SEXUAL_ALTERS
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2017-01-03T07:50:20 < ReadErr> this guys fucking wiki
2017-01-03T07:50:41 < ReadErr> is off the chain insane 
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2017-01-03T07:51:08 < zyp> dongs, so, usb-c-connectors
2017-01-03T07:51:36 < ReadErr> @ englishman you reading this lol
2017-01-03T07:51:37 < zyp> need a vertical one, I seem to recall some being linked here before
2017-01-03T07:51:45 < englishman> ?
2017-01-03T07:51:59 < ReadErr> jewbird
2017-01-03T07:52:08 < ReadErr> & his wiki
2017-01-03T07:52:37 < englishman> is that clive1
2017-01-03T07:53:24 < ReadErr> hes in the org im sure
2017-01-03T07:57:58 < ohsix> jadew: ahh cheap meter starts at low end, and displays noise when open circuit
2017-01-03T07:58:08 < ohsix> it's not like it is confusing but it does look bad
2017-01-03T07:58:41 < zyp> hmm
2017-01-03T07:58:45 < ohsix> there's a fake analog bar graph thing, it moves pretty smooth while you're waving it around as an antenna :D
2017-01-03T07:58:55 < zyp> http://files.edac.net/690-024-294-031.pdf https://www.mill-max.com/assets/pdfs/metric/149.3M.PDF
2017-01-03T07:59:01 < zyp> looks like footprints are identical
2017-01-03T07:59:14 < zyp> standardized, perhaps
2017-01-03T08:00:23 < ohsix> usb specs have connector stuff in them
2017-01-03T08:00:33 < ohsix> i think they cover that in 3
2017-01-03T08:02:35 < zyp> digikey got those two and another two by JAE, the latter are different
2017-01-03T08:04:40 < ohsix> yea check page 31 http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_31_120516.zip / usb type-c cable and connector specification
2017-01-03T08:05:05 < ohsix> dunno if it is advisory cuz didn't read (lol) but they have a lot of drawings n shiz
2017-01-03T08:05:56 < zyp> ohsix, yeah, I figured that was probably the case
2017-01-03T08:06:05 < englishman> i havent yet come across two usb-c connectors that share the same pattern
2017-01-03T08:09:24 < zyp> http://portal.fciconnect.com/Comergent///fci/drawing/10132328.pdf FCI got one as well
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2017-01-03T08:18:52 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: ... ?
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2017-01-03T08:41:29 < stvn> greeting englishman 
2017-01-03T08:42:56 < ohsix> jadew: :o huhuhu this meter has a diode/continuity test, and it starts on continuity
2017-01-03T08:42:57 < ohsix> so pro
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2017-01-03T09:05:07 < ohsix> heh the trigger works more sensibly on the jyetech scopes than the siglent i was using
2017-01-03T09:06:34 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gallery/DE10M
2017-01-03T09:09:42 < zyp> hmm, this usb footprint is kinda hard to route with 20mil vias
2017-01-03T09:10:12 < zyp> if not impossible
2017-01-03T09:10:57 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-03T09:11:10 < zyp> it's enclosed by ground pads for the shield, and 20mil vias won't fit between the signal pads and the shield pads
2017-01-03T09:11:15 < ohsix> upgrdman: hanging out with someone who isn't a permanent teenager could too
2017-01-03T09:11:24 < zyp> and there's no way to fit enough vias between the two rows of signal pds either
2017-01-03T09:12:34 < zyp> dongs, how small could I go on vias? 10/16?
2017-01-03T09:12:37 < ohsix> twitter is gr8 for that kind of stuff
2017-01-03T09:12:48 < stvn> senpai
2017-01-03T09:13:45 < upgrdman> typical american   http://i.imgur.com/OAF2NVt.gifv
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2017-01-03T09:17:25 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gallery/jTTd0
2017-01-03T09:17:29 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/hfTY8.png 16mil would fit
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2017-01-03T09:20:06 < jpa-> zyp: hah, that connector looks like it has been especially designed to be unroutable :P
2017-01-03T09:20:16 < zyp> yeah, wtf
2017-01-03T09:20:40 < jpa-> i wonder if the ground pads on the left and right side are really that important
2017-01-03T09:21:11 < zyp> probably not, at least not for usb2 use
2017-01-03T09:21:57  * stvn pulls another bong
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2017-01-03T09:28:04 < ohsix> hm need to hax an external trigger into these jyetech things
2017-01-03T09:28:11 < ohsix> it's crazy how usable they are huhuhu
2017-01-03T09:28:42 < ohsix> it _sucks_ they still use a 9v supply, and shell doesn't come with an internal battery or something
2017-01-03T09:33:12 < upgrdman> i dunno why but i irl lol'd http://i.imgur.com/Fpga51i.jpg
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2017-01-03T09:34:23 < ohsix> h3h they use 74hc analog muxes, probably where the 200khz bandwidth comes from
2017-01-03T09:34:43 < ohsix> upgrdman: piecewise linear stop sine
2017-01-03T09:35:00 < ohsix> joke cubed
2017-01-03T09:35:38 < ohsix> took it too far, that's why i'm not funny
2017-01-03T09:37:00 < ohsix> hm or not, on the 4051, -3dB is ~175mhz
2017-01-03T09:37:26 < ohsix> similar for the 4053
2017-01-03T09:38:04 < ohsix> need a network analyzer, this shit is too math
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2017-01-03T09:45:59 < stvn> too autistic
2017-01-03T09:46:20 < stvn> remember that brother Steffan doesn't want a link dump
2017-01-03T09:48:06 < ReadErr> he wants this to be like stumbleupon i think
2017-01-03T09:50:32 < stvn> a series of tubes?
2017-01-03T09:51:50 < stvn> please
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2017-01-03T10:00:55 < ohsix> ReadErr: https://mitxela.com/projects/rc_tx_usb_joypad dig how he adds usb port
2017-01-03T10:07:34 < PaulFertser> ohsix: dig how I add USB port : https://github.com/paulfertser/stm32-tx-hid/
2017-01-03T10:08:26 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-03T10:08:35 < ohsix> i meant the hardware fit, it's a nice use of a stubby cable
2017-01-03T10:09:17 < ohsix> https://mitxela.com/img/uploads/usb/joypad/usbCable3.jpg https://mitxela.com/img/uploads/usb/joypad/usbCable4.jpg https://mitxela.com/img/uploads/usb/joypad/usbCable6.jpg
2017-01-03T10:09:18 < kOStiX> i was wondering also how to interface a phantom quadcopter control to the pc
2017-01-03T10:09:40 < ohsix> i sometimes don't do a project cuz i can't think of a good way to put the connector on the case :D
2017-01-03T10:10:28 < PaulFertser> Yeah, nice cable fit
2017-01-03T10:12:29 < ohsix> kOStiX: dunno how fancy the radios are, but they probably use a 2.4ghz cc1100/nrf24 type deal
2017-01-03T10:12:53 < kOStiX> yeah its 2.4 i think
2017-01-03T10:12:55 < ohsix> there's a radio firmware called devolution-tx or something, you could see if they support it there, if it is it isn't super fancy
2017-01-03T10:13:32 < ohsix> hm that's not the name
2017-01-03T10:13:51 < ohsix> deviationtx, https://www.deviationtx.com/wiki/supported_protocols
2017-01-03T10:14:04 < ohsix> as a source of information this is up there with mame
2017-01-03T10:14:09 < kOStiX> nice thanks
2017-01-03T10:15:21 < dongs> zyp: 0.3/0.6 without extra cost
2017-01-03T10:15:23 < ohsix> wiki is not up to date (natch) https://github.com/DeviationTX/deviation/tree/master/src/protocol
2017-01-03T10:15:37 < dongs> 0.254 gets bitched at
2017-01-03T10:17:40 < zyp> wait, what?
2017-01-03T10:21:07 < zyp> 0.3/0.6 is 12/24
2017-01-03T10:21:58 < zyp> and I've done 10/20 on every board you've made for me, so I know that's ok :p
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2017-01-03T10:25:58 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gallery/TP74NxU
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2017-01-03T10:32:48 < dongs> ya
2017-01-03T10:32:54 < dongs> then just do 10/24 or etc
2017-01-03T10:33:19 < zyp> you're not making any sense
2017-01-03T10:33:49 < dongs> what im sayin is 10 will get bitched if there's no matchingf high-er spec board in the panel it'll just get increased to 0.3
2017-01-03T10:33:52 < dongs> :)
2017-01-03T10:34:20 < zyp> so how will 10/24 help when 10/20 is too big? :p
2017-01-03T10:35:00 < dongs> < zyp> 0.3/0.6 is 12/24
2017-01-03T10:35:07 < dongs> 10 is 0.254
2017-01-03T10:35:13 < dongs> so  you can do 10/24
2017-01-03T10:35:22 < dongs> and get bitched at and get 12/24
2017-01-03T10:35:25 < dongs> thats all
2017-01-03T10:35:33 < ohsix> oog
2017-01-03T10:35:50 < kOStiX> http://imgur.com/a/AIopO
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2017-01-03T10:35:51 < zyp> getting 24 doesn't fucking help when I can't fit more than 16
2017-01-03T10:35:53 < ohsix> lul
2017-01-03T10:35:56 < dongs> oh
2017-01-03T10:35:58 < ohsix> autistici
2017-01-03T10:35:59 < dongs> you mnean outer
2017-01-03T10:36:03 < zyp> yes
2017-01-03T10:36:09 < dongs> outer won't get edited, but 12/16 is kinda pushing it close
2017-01-03T10:36:15 < dongs> what the shit are you sticking on there that needs such high pitch?
2017-01-03T10:36:45 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/hfTY8.png <- this asshole footprint
2017-01-03T10:36:48 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gallery/cjGYw
2017-01-03T10:36:53 < zyp> that's with 16
2017-01-03T10:36:56 < ohsix> kOStiX: is that a bunch of analog mux?
2017-01-03T10:37:10 < zyp> that's the reference vertical usb-c shit
2017-01-03T10:37:13 < kOStiX> yah and shift regs
2017-01-03T10:37:18 < dongs> is that USB-C
2017-01-03T10:37:33 < ohsix> kOStiX: nice
2017-01-03T10:37:38 < dongs> what the shit
2017-01-03T10:37:40 < zyp> whoever designed that must have been drunk
2017-01-03T10:38:03 < stvn> oops
2017-01-03T10:38:14 < ohsix> the jye scopes do the same thing to a resistor ladder for sensitivity, and has two different input filters and another mux for different frequenices
2017-01-03T10:38:23 < dongs> do you need it to be vertical? that looks fucked
2017-01-03T10:38:37 < ohsix> it works well enough, thought stuff had to be more complicated
2017-01-03T10:38:41 < zyp> yeah, front panel shit
2017-01-03T10:39:08 < dongs> i'd say shrink those SHGND shits
2017-01-03T10:39:29 < dongs> outer edge same, shrink inner edge
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2017-01-03T10:47:46 < zyp> or I could swap to a connector with a sane footprint
2017-01-03T10:48:12 < zyp> mind checking what's available?
2017-01-03T10:50:48 < stvn> fucken dirty.
2017-01-03T10:50:57 < stvn> https://www.mill-max.com/assets/pdfs/149.3.PDF
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2017-01-03T10:58:42 < dongs> yeah uh dont use millmax lol
2017-01-03T10:58:44 < dongs> that looks retarded
2017-01-03T10:59:33 < zyp> http://portal.fciconnect.com/Comergent///fci/drawing/10132328.pdf http://files.edac.net/690-024-294-031.pdf
2017-01-03T10:59:44 < zyp> it's standard footprint, part of usbc spec
2017-01-03T10:59:58 < dongs> ah ok
2017-01-03T11:00:00 < zyp> but yeah, I'm open for alternatives 
2017-01-03T11:00:01 < dongs> i was seeing bunch of chinaclones
2017-01-03T11:00:02 < dongs> wiht same
2017-01-03T11:00:09 < stvn> yeah i saw 2 that were exactly the same
2017-01-03T11:00:14 < dongs> anyway, just lose the plated gnd pads
2017-01-03T11:00:18 < dongs> they wont be there on clones
2017-01-03T11:00:24 < stvn> ^_^
2017-01-03T11:00:24 < dongs> and its dumb cuz you have through-hole legs already.
2017-01-03T11:00:29 < dongs> then problem solved.
2017-01-03T11:00:33 < stvn> mmm
2017-01-03T11:00:37 < zyp> fair enough
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2017-01-03T11:43:52 < stvn> Tectu_ plus
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2017-01-03T11:44:07 < Tectu> nah
2017-01-03T11:44:10 < stvn> mmm.
2017-01-03T11:44:39 < stvn> what is new?
2017-01-03T11:44:58 < Tectu> deployed µGFX HQ
2017-01-03T11:45:10 < stvn> good stuff!
2017-01-03T11:45:30 < stvn> in Australia?
2017-01-03T11:45:43 < Tectu> nah, that's just a branch. HQ is now officially in Swissland
2017-01-03T11:46:23 < stvn> indeed
2017-01-03T11:46:29 < stvn> also I found stroopwafels
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2017-01-03T11:47:41 < Tectu> good
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2017-01-03T11:51:28 < stvn> yeah i'll keep plenty for when you and steffan come over
2017-01-03T11:57:50 < stvn> https://de.linkedin.com/in/reinhardkeil
2017-01-03T12:02:06 < dongs> is that the inventor of keil
2017-01-03T12:02:29 < dongs> looks like it
2017-01-03T12:03:00 < stvn> probably
2017-01-03T12:06:17 < Tectu> yes, I actually know that guy
2017-01-03T12:07:02 < dongs> did he personally give you a perpetual keil license
2017-01-03T12:07:05 < dongs> for uguuFx
2017-01-03T12:10:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Need-Embedded-team-URGENT-Detail/ yesss
2017-01-03T12:10:39 < dongs> err
2017-01-03T12:10:43 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Design-Electonic-PCB/ this one
2017-01-03T12:11:34 < dongs> aandrew: ^ ready2vape
2017-01-03T12:13:36 < stvn> subohm?
2017-01-03T12:13:48 < dongs> no, you can adjust coil resistance through the smartphone
2017-01-03T12:14:14 < stvn> embedded team, $1500usd lol fuckoff
2017-01-03T12:15:31 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Design-Product-12653708/
2017-01-03T12:15:43 < dongs> F7-discovery, done
2017-01-03T12:15:45 < aandrew> lol
2017-01-03T12:16:23 < stvn> rofl tho
2017-01-03T12:16:27 < stvn> "design a chip" no
2017-01-03T12:17:07 < stvn> can only imagine the number of relays this crap goes through before it ends up on freelancer
2017-01-03T12:17:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-layout-12653096/ oh look regulvitor took another project for 40 eur, rofl
2017-01-03T12:18:21 < dongs> i mean its like 10 parts on a pcb but still
2017-01-03T12:18:35 < dongs> fucking spane
2017-01-03T12:19:55 < stvn> whatever that means
2017-01-03T12:20:11 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Oh, ew. I get that you had a limited number of pins and design for blah. I think I have to butcher this PCB a little
2017-01-03T12:20:29 < dongs> autism??
2017-01-03T12:21:04 < Jak_o_Shadows1> For some reason, instead of running a ground wire and a separate wire for each of the buttons, this joystick (the buttons on the stick itself), they run 6 wires, and have a bunch of diodes up top
2017-01-03T12:22:34 < dongs> sounds like they're scanning it as a matrix?
2017-01-03T12:22:38 < stvn> yea
2017-01-03T12:22:50 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Yeah, probably.
2017-01-03T12:22:58 < dongs> dono if it makes sense for 6 buttons tho? is t hat all there is?
2017-01-03T12:23:16 < dongs> their chinese USB controller might have only supported matrix scan mode
2017-01-03T12:23:19 < dongs> so they had to go with that
2017-01-03T12:23:38 < stvn> completely likely.
2017-01-03T12:23:46 < Jak_o_Shadows1> There's an extra 4 buttons on the base. It's a PIC16C62B :D
2017-01-03T12:23:56 < stvn> 16C?
2017-01-03T12:24:05 < stvn> how old is this brick?
2017-01-03T12:24:25 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Well, it's a joystick - it's not as if any new ones are any good/out cheap often
2017-01-03T12:24:48 < stvn> sorry i'm going to have to put that through a translator
2017-01-03T12:25:21 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Yeah, it's old. Not keeping the controller part of it
2017-01-03T12:26:17 < stvn> hmm so arm compiler 5 and 6 are still both supported
2017-01-03T12:26:58 < dongs> 5 is  t he good one
2017-01-03T12:27:02 < dongs> 6 is that new opensores based trash
2017-01-03T12:27:44 < stvn> ARM Compiler 5.06 update 5 is the last planned update release in the normal maintenance period. After this, further support and maintenance will be available through ARM Compiler Extended Maintenance releases.
2017-01-03T12:27:57 < stvn> yeah i kinda bought into keil to avoid the cancer
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2017-01-03T12:32:30 < jadew> https://c7.staticflickr.com/4/3195/3146188198_1aaeb0312b.jpg
2017-01-03T12:38:45 < stvn> ah
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2017-01-03T12:41:43 < stvn> better get to keiling crt
2017-01-03T12:46:48 < dongs> i'm vs2015'ing right now
2017-01-03T12:47:13 < stvn> whats the project?
2017-01-03T12:48:03 < karlp> zyp: we regularly use 1000:1, 2000:1 and 3000:1 CTs.  both fixed custom and split core off the shelf.
2017-01-03T12:49:01 < dongs> stvn: makign custom bin files for dfu firmware update combining some hex files and custom data
2017-01-03T12:49:31 < zyp> karlp, so what do you think about http://www.yhdc.com/en/product/542/ ?
2017-01-03T12:49:55 < dongs> i think it looks chinese
2017-01-03T12:50:12 < zyp> yes
2017-01-03T12:50:19 < karlp> those triple modules are becoming pretty common, frer and socomec and circutor all off my head use them,
2017-01-03T12:50:35 < stvn> karlp, affordable too.
2017-01-03T12:51:04 < zyp> karlp, I remember you linked some triple stuff before, but it seemed to be intended for some particular purpose with weird connectors
2017-01-03T12:51:16 < karlp> that one you linked looks finish. 
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2017-01-03T12:51:37 < zyp> 70mm wires sounds shourt
2017-01-03T12:51:44 < karlp> we see in some of the meters that we've pulled apart they use second CTs inside the meter with those fat big 5A cts externally.
2017-01-03T12:51:51 < zyp> haha
2017-01-03T12:52:38 < karlp> we use burdens to keep the max range within ~2.8 or so V. we use the stm32 adc inputs
2017-01-03T12:52:43 < jadew> https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5188700fe4b091a1ff87c3d3/55426ac9e4b0a1f6bbc9bc81/55426acae4b00b0d1750ae3b/1430416923216/german-cover-1983.jpeg
2017-01-03T12:52:56 < zyp> I see
2017-01-03T12:53:12 < zyp> the chip I'm using got a smaller range
2017-01-03T12:53:27 < karlp> also, aandrew has far more experience that I defer to, but we've _never_ blown a CT from having disconnected burdens.
2017-01-03T12:53:33 < stvn> jadew, he actually is inside her.
2017-01-03T12:53:38 < jadew> haha
2017-01-03T12:53:54 < karlp> the cert testing dudes bitched and demanded we put high voltage warnings on the CT leads though, to warn the installer dudes about them.
2017-01-03T12:54:09 < zyp> heh
2017-01-03T12:54:23 < karlp> but yeah, depends on the CT, and what it's meant to be able to handle.
2017-01-03T12:54:38 < karlp> 4000:1 makes bigger spikes...
2017-01-03T12:55:21 < karlp> here's a "pro" triple one: http://frer.it/prod-41959-ANALIZZATORE_DI_RETE_LCD_3_MODULI_DIN_(Q52...)-eng
2017-01-03T12:55:38 < karlp> we use a bunch from here for split core: http://www.hqsensing.com/product.asp?pf_id=precise-Split-core-AC-current-sensor
2017-01-03T12:55:54 < karlp> but I guess you're perma mounting this, because the external part is the car connector
2017-01-03T12:57:09 < dongs> holy fuck who wrote this stm32flash shit
2017-01-03T12:57:16 < dongs> i was gonna steal hex parser from them
2017-01-03T12:57:26 < dongs> while porting the shit to windows i already found several dumb coding mistakes
2017-01-03T12:57:28 < dongs> in just one function
2017-01-03T12:57:49 < zyp> karlp, for EV stuff yes
2017-01-03T12:57:58 < zyp> split core could be interesting later on
2017-01-03T12:58:22 < dongs> attn Laurenceb https://linitx.com/viewcategory.php?catid=1025
2017-01-03T12:58:33 < karlp> you don't _neeeeed_ to keep things in the linear region either, it' sjust easier and things make more sense :)
2017-01-03T12:58:36 < zyp> to tap the home supply to check how much spare capacity there's left for charging
2017-01-03T12:58:52 < karlp> heh, have fun with that bit :)
2017-01-03T12:59:01 < zyp> the point of this is intelligent control after all :p
2017-01-03T12:59:32 < karlp> not sure what else there is to say about CTs, you pay to get part to part repeatability, and linearity over the rated range.
2017-01-03T13:00:27 < zyp> http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-46103-SE-M90E32AS-ApplicationNote.pdf <- page 8 here talks about selecting a burden value
2017-01-03T13:01:00 < karlp> tradeoff is dynamic range really.  can you still read low currents and high currents, and do you care
2017-01-03T13:01:10 < zyp> yeah, I get that
2017-01-03T13:01:37 < karlp> for our useage, we cared a lot, for a lot of users, the low end is the end where it doesn't matter, because it's "low"
2017-01-03T13:02:25 < zyp> for my usage I'm not really super concerned about the low end
2017-01-03T13:03:25 < zyp> I think most of the time the car will either be drawing as much power as it's allowed to or no power at all
2017-01-03T13:03:46 < zyp> and the lowest limit the charge station can communicate to the car is 6A
2017-01-03T13:05:08 < zyp> guess it depends how fast it's ramping down when it's topping off the battery, will be interesting to log and graph that
2017-01-03T13:05:22 < dongs> graph with pygraph of course
2017-01-03T13:05:37 < zyp> is that a thing?
2017-01-03T13:05:43 < dongs> no idea, im sure it is
2017-01-03T13:05:51 < zyp> I've used matplotlib to graph stuff from python before
2017-01-03T13:06:10 < zyp> used it a lot when I were in uni, not so much since
2017-01-03T13:06:27 < Spirit532> hey stm32 people
2017-01-03T13:06:29 < dongs> https://plot.ly/python/ payware python plotting lib, haha.
2017-01-03T13:06:40 < dongs> gotta get that $ to pay for retarded domain somehow
2017-01-03T13:06:42 < Spirit532> I'm about to complete the semifinal prototype for my thermal cam
2017-01-03T13:06:46 < dongs> .ly is like $200 a year or someshit
2017-01-03T13:06:51 < aandrew> karlp: many many CTs have internal burden resistors. I actually had to argue with the vendor to remove them for my custom ones. they were concerned that I'd run them open and then blame them for faulty CTs
2017-01-03T13:06:54 < dongs> Spirit532: cool
2017-01-03T13:06:58 < Spirit532> but I suck grandly at stm32
2017-01-03T13:07:06 < Spirit532> so I might just want to send valuable currency to someone here
2017-01-03T13:07:07 < dongs> wheres pics of your hardware
2017-01-03T13:07:12 < aandrew> about to take off for DTW, talk later
2017-01-03T13:07:15 < Spirit532> to do the 8 lines of shitty code I actually need
2017-01-03T13:07:15 < Spirit532> D:
2017-01-03T13:07:19 < Spirit532> dongs, no pics atm
2017-01-03T13:07:28 < stvn> Spirit532, ohsix will sort it out for you
2017-01-03T13:07:33 < Spirit532> video of the older version
2017-01-03T13:07:33 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMy5MwWj1eU
2017-01-03T13:07:42 < Spirit532> that's the lcd test
2017-01-03T13:07:56 < stvn> yah
2017-01-03T13:08:13 < Spirit532> I have all the datashits
2017-01-03T13:08:18 < Spirit532> but I just can't get talking to the sensor
2017-01-03T13:08:20 < karlp> aandrew: great, maybe that explains it :) 
2017-01-03T13:08:40 < karlp> the ct designer guy we spoke to just said that smaller turns ratios meant less likely to burn shit when you disconnect them.
2017-01-03T13:09:06 < aandrew> yes since it's harder to develop high voltages
2017-01-03T13:09:14 < karlp> and the ones we got custom haven't ever burnt and I konw there's no built in burden on them.
2017-01-03T13:09:21 < karlp> and we sure as fuck disconnect them all the time.
2017-01-03T13:09:41 < aandrew> the damage can be subtle too, it's kind of like ESD damage, not always a clean failure
2017-01-03T13:10:12 < aandrew> ttyl gotta shut off the phone or I'll end up crashing the plane, lol
2017-01-03T13:10:27 < stvn> ok
2017-01-03T13:10:34 < dongs> Spirit532: usually you prototype these kinda things before making final hardware
2017-01-03T13:10:34 < stvn> pls don't leave me again
2017-01-03T13:10:43 < Spirit532> dongs, this is version 3
2017-01-03T13:10:44 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-03T13:10:45 < dongs> what is "the" sensor? lepton shit?
2017-01-03T13:10:48 < Spirit532> yes
2017-01-03T13:10:49 < Spirit532> lepton v3
2017-01-03T13:10:56 < Spirit532> video over SPI
2017-01-03T13:10:57 < dongs> how do you know it still works if you havenet talked to it before?
2017-01-03T13:10:59 < dongs> right
2017-01-03T13:11:02 < Spirit532> I can read it
2017-01-03T13:11:05 < Spirit532> and I get... stuff..
2017-01-03T13:11:15 < Spirit532> and when I send 0x01 I get video-looking data out
2017-01-03T13:11:26 < dongs> ILI9341
2017-01-03T13:11:37 < Spirit532> (gets higher duty cycle on oscilloscope when I point it at a soldering iron)
2017-01-03T13:11:43 < Spirit532> but that's as much as I could do
2017-01-03T13:12:00 < Spirit532> I really suck at this SPI DMA thing with magic
2017-01-03T13:12:10 < dongs> spi dma is super simple
2017-01-03T13:12:13 < dongs> waht stm32
2017-01-03T13:12:18 < Spirit532> f411vet
2017-01-03T13:12:19 < zyp> dongs, looks like that plotly is some online shit
2017-01-03T13:12:32 < dongs> zyp, it was just first link on google, i am not being serious. also payway
2017-01-03T13:12:35 < zyp> feed data from python or whatever, give a website to user
2017-01-03T13:12:36 < dongs> payware
2017-01-03T13:12:39 < zyp> «You can also create plotly graphs with matplotlib syntax.»
2017-01-03T13:12:41 < Spirit532> once I get the display working again
2017-01-03T13:12:44 < Spirit532> (fw flashing)
2017-01-03T13:12:54 < zyp> well, makes sense that they're asking for payment if they're hosting your graphs
2017-01-03T13:12:55 < zyp> :p
2017-01-03T13:13:17 < Spirit532> I'll offer off-the-books rapid monetary item transfer in exchange for goods and services
2017-01-03T13:13:18 < Spirit532> ;^)
2017-01-03T13:13:24 < dongs> Spirit532: for spi rx dma apparently you ahve to run tx dma at same time too
2017-01-03T13:13:28 < stvn> you wanna suck it off 
2017-01-03T13:13:31 < dongs> unless youre in 3wire mode or omseshit
2017-01-03T13:13:35 < Spirit532> I've even got shitty arduino examples
2017-01-03T13:13:51 < dongs> i dont have time to fuck around with software withotu hardware, and you probably cant afford aandrew 
2017-01-03T13:13:59 < Spirit532> some madman did this on a teensy with WIRES
2017-01-03T13:14:00 < dongs> also my project would be in KEIL ONLY
2017-01-03T13:14:12 < Spirit532> I guess I'm lucky
2017-01-03T13:14:13 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-03T13:14:20 < Spirit532> I... *borrowed*... keil
2017-01-03T13:14:21 < dongs> paste your dma code
2017-01-03T13:14:28 < Spirit532> not my issue
2017-01-03T13:14:37 < Spirit532> actually parsing data 
2017-01-03T13:14:44 < Spirit532> I can get bits here and there... I think
2017-01-03T13:14:50 < dongs> how fuckoing hard can it be
2017-01-03T13:14:55 < Spirit532> not really hard
2017-01-03T13:15:11 < Spirit532> but I'm extremely busy and would rather buy a pack of beers for a friendly guy
2017-01-03T13:15:22 < Spirit532> (or a few packs)
2017-01-03T13:15:28 < Spirit532> (or a keg)
2017-01-03T13:16:05 < stvn> are you college student?
2017-01-03T13:16:09 < Spirit532> nah
2017-01-03T13:16:15 < Spirit532> I have money to spend :)
2017-01-03T13:16:32 < stvn> why are you microcontrolling?
2017-01-03T13:16:36 < Spirit532> I like it
2017-01-03T13:17:24 < stvn> i'm doubting that
2017-01-03T13:17:30 < Spirit532> but I don't like it enough to spend a weekend fucking around with a single problem
2017-01-03T13:17:36 < dongs> https://github.com/achilikin/cdtea . . . . . . . . .
2017-01-03T13:17:39 < Spirit532> I'm a visual learner :P
2017-01-03T13:18:32 < stvn> nice 
2017-01-03T13:18:48 < stvn> why not kickstart that cd tea
2017-01-03T13:18:55 < Spirit532> best idea ever
2017-01-03T13:19:42 < zyp> Spirit532, a pretty good trick to get people to write that code for you would probably be to give them hardware to test it on :p
2017-01-03T13:19:51 < stvn> ^
2017-01-03T13:20:06 < Spirit532> I'd rather not give out $300 devices 
2017-01-03T13:20:08 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-03T13:20:14 < stvn> i think you should send it to zyp 
2017-01-03T13:20:18 < zyp> is it only $300?
2017-01-03T13:20:26 < Spirit532> $280 is the sensor
2017-01-03T13:20:27 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-03T13:21:09 < stvn> this here, is better than drinking beer
2017-01-03T13:21:17 < Spirit532> yes
2017-01-03T13:22:50 < stvn> oh what to do
2017-01-03T13:22:58 < Spirit532> work on my code
2017-01-03T13:22:59 < Spirit532> if you're bored
2017-01-03T13:23:10 < stvn> i'm not that bored
2017-01-03T13:23:12 < stvn> but post the code
2017-01-03T13:23:19 < Spirit532> tomorrow
2017-01-03T13:23:20 < dongs> are you paying less than $300 for the code?
2017-01-03T13:23:22 < stvn> people here may be able to give you a hint or two
2017-01-03T13:23:25 < Spirit532> dongs, lol
2017-01-03T13:23:40 < Spirit532> I can hire one of the high-end freelancers for that much
2017-01-03T13:23:51 < dongs> you can hire a paki for much less
2017-01-03T13:23:52 < Spirit532> I was thinking under or around $100
2017-01-03T13:23:55 < dongs> and get nothing in return
2017-01-03T13:24:00 < stvn> lol
2017-01-03T13:24:05 < stvn> has anyone here ever tried?
2017-01-03T13:24:10 < Spirit532> I have!
2017-01-03T13:24:15 < stvn> hire-a-paki
2017-01-03T13:24:15 < Spirit532> some are hard working guys
2017-01-03T13:24:21 < dongs> i've hired some paki on freecancer to write me some simple .NET stuff
2017-01-03T13:24:22 < dongs> it worked fine
2017-01-03T13:24:26 < Spirit532> others are retards with a keyboard
2017-01-03T13:24:26 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-03T13:24:28 < jpa-> a high-end freelancer would charge you $100/hour for ircing on your time
2017-01-03T13:24:36 < dongs> < like me
2017-01-03T13:24:38 < stvn> lol
2017-01-03T13:24:42 < Spirit532> dongs, you're dongs
2017-01-03T13:25:30 < dongs> thats true
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2017-01-03T13:55:22 < dongs> and vs2015'ing done
2017-01-03T13:57:19 < dongs> Comparing files dfu.bin and FAGGOT_STD.BIN
2017-01-03T13:57:20 < dongs> FC: no differences encountered
2017-01-03T13:57:40 < stvn> excellent
2017-01-03T13:58:19 < dongs> so my firmware outputting shit matches what it should be, all good
2017-01-03T14:05:36 < dongs> damn, st dfuse sores are fucking nasty
2017-01-03T14:05:53 < dongs> was thinking of doing bin>dfu myself also, but fuck their shit is aidsy
2017-01-03T14:07:40 < stvn> okay
2017-01-03T14:08:46 < dongs> maybe ill pay stvn $30 to fix them
2017-01-03T14:10:07 < stvn> so much money
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2017-01-03T14:13:48 < zyp> dfu is simple as fuck
2017-01-03T14:14:01 < zyp> append header, calculate crc, append crc
2017-01-03T14:15:24 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/OaMwt <- here's elf -> dfu
2017-01-03T14:15:45 < zyp> dfu stuff is lines 34-45
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2017-01-03T14:29:23 < dongs> zyp, is that for ST dfuse thing tho
2017-01-03T14:29:33 < dongs> llol python.
2017-01-03T14:29:46 < aandrew> one flight done one to go
2017-01-03T14:29:55 < dongs> heading to israel?
2017-01-03T14:30:25 < zyp> dongs, plain dfu, idk if dfuse adds anything to the header
2017-01-03T14:30:52 < zyp> oh, yeah, it does
2017-01-03T14:31:06 < dongs> yeah it does quite a bit. 
2017-01-03T14:31:07 < zyp> http://rc.fdr.hu/UM0391.pdf
2017-01-03T14:31:27 < dongs> oh lol implementing that is probly faster than reading through ST aids code
2017-01-03T14:31:28 < aandrew> https://roadtrippers.com/stories/harvard-discovers-three-of-its-library-books-are-bound-in-human-flesh
2017-01-03T14:31:48 < aandrew> dongs: no punta cana
2017-01-03T14:31:49 < zyp> DFU suffix looks identical to plain DFU, it's just the prefix you'll have to add as well
2017-01-03T14:32:44 < zyp> ah, no, image shit in between as well
2017-01-03T14:33:08 < zyp> fucking tree of bullshit
2017-01-03T14:33:39 < KolK> hello, I have MemManage: during data access during instruction prefetch in sprintf from newlib. Buffer to write is long enough, there is not stack overflow (second level detection), here is code https://dpaste.de/rH5d
2017-01-03T14:33:47 < zyp> but still, 15 minutes max to write code generating that shit
2017-01-03T14:33:54 < KolK> I still use FreeRTOS on STM32F4 :-)
2017-01-03T14:33:57 < aandrew> sounds like USB descriptors. tree of bullshit
2017-01-03T14:34:05 < dongs> zyp ya, on it now.
2017-01-03T14:34:33 < zyp> aandrew, haha, some of it certainly qualifies as that, yeah
2017-01-03T14:35:24 < zyp> aandrew, is your sprintf() threadsafe?
2017-01-03T14:35:25 < dongs> i'll steal just the structs from ST stuff
2017-01-03T14:35:29 < zyp> KolK*
2017-01-03T14:35:48 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/joUPwg82.html
2017-01-03T14:35:49 < dongs> this.
2017-01-03T14:36:11 < zyp> that looks stupid as fuck
2017-01-03T14:36:15 < jpa-> what kind of a person uses sprintf() instead of snprintf()?
2017-01-03T14:36:28 < dongs> zyp, it saves me from making all those headers?
2017-01-03T14:36:30 < dongs> whats wrong with it
2017-01-03T14:36:34 < zyp> why the fuck use two bytes for a 16-bit value?
2017-01-03T14:36:41 < zyp> Lo/Hi bullshit
2017-01-03T14:36:49 < jpa-> endianess?
2017-01-03T14:36:56 < zyp> there's no endianness swap involved, so there's no reason to do it the retarded way
2017-01-03T14:37:05 < dongs> how do you know?
2017-01-03T14:37:14 < jpa-> it is if you use your 90s big-endian mainframe to generate DFU images!
2017-01-03T14:37:23 < aandrew> zyp: doubt it
2017-01-03T14:37:23 < aandrew> my fifo accesses are
2017-01-03T14:37:23 < aandrew> but if printf prints in blobs that won't help
2017-01-03T14:37:42 < zyp> sprintf prints to a string
2017-01-03T14:38:17 < zyp> but if it's using some shared resources internally, it might not be threadsafe even if the output buffer is
2017-01-03T14:41:34 < KolK> zyp, ok but if breaks always in the same place, does it matter?
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2017-01-03T14:48:22 < KolK> with snprintf situation is the same
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2017-01-03T14:54:55 < stvn> the stm32 shitbox
2017-01-03T14:58:35 < stvn> i.e. stm32cube
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2017-01-03T15:13:28 < karlp> bah, had a struct marked aligned, but not packed.
2017-01-03T15:13:32 < karlp> glad I checked that shit.
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2017-01-03T15:17:51 < karlp> ESR recommends I just ignore it.
2017-01-03T15:18:11 < karlp> kinda tempted to manuall add in the implicit bits and mark it as packed.
2017-01-03T15:21:29 < ReadErr> hey guys
2017-01-03T15:21:29 < ReadErr> allah is doing
2017-01-03T15:21:29 < ReadErr> sun is not doing allah is doing
2017-01-03T15:22:47 < kakimir> allah
2017-01-03T15:22:56 < Kliment> Another channel I'm in has a lovely script to kick whoever says that
2017-01-03T15:23:39 < Kliment> One of the kick messages is "spam is haram"
2017-01-03T15:24:42 < ReadErr> ole chatter is persistent 
2017-01-03T15:24:51 < ReadErr> many networks, many chans
2017-01-03T15:25:00 < ReadErr> and not a bot
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2017-01-03T15:27:15 < kakimir> maybe it was Laurenceb_ ?
2017-01-03T15:27:36 < Laurenceb_> who
2017-01-03T15:28:06 < Laurenceb_> kakimir tier music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5zGOzorEU0
2017-01-03T15:28:07 < kakimir> islamist spammer
2017-01-03T15:28:16 < Laurenceb_> wait in this channel
2017-01-03T15:28:18 < Laurenceb_> ?
2017-01-03T15:28:42 < Laurenceb_>  "join ISIS today kids" ?
2017-01-03T15:28:46 < dongs> ReadErr: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-01-03T15:29:02 < kakimir> all over the irc
2017-01-03T15:29:15 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_ is probably the more facebook recruiter type "hey autie, put down the tendies and come fight"
2017-01-03T15:29:22 < Laurenceb_> epin lulz
2017-01-03T15:29:27 < dongs> hm what the fuck
2017-01-03T15:30:52 < Kliment> The allah spammer has been around since WAY before daesh was a thing
2017-01-03T15:31:06 < dongs> zyp: http://i.imgur.com/KG5OM8Z.png
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2017-01-03T15:31:49 < Laurenceb_> Kliment: for over 1000 years in fact
2017-01-03T15:34:29 < Kliment> I have it on good authority they didn't have IRC in 1017
2017-01-03T15:35:18 < kakimir> lies
2017-01-03T15:36:00 < dongs> oh, its "boolean" but 4 bytes
2017-01-03T15:36:00 < dongs> because ST
2017-01-03T15:36:20 < zyp> haha
2017-01-03T15:36:39 < dongs> good job writing bCrap for 1 byte and bCrap2 for 4 bytes
2017-01-03T15:36:58 < dongs> i wonder if they just wrote BOOL and hoped it was 1 byte
2017-01-03T15:37:00 < dongs> but later found out it wasnt
2017-01-03T15:37:04 < dongs> and it was already too late to change shit
2017-01-03T15:37:10 < zyp> yeah, I don't think st understand those size prefixes
2017-01-03T15:38:17 < dongs> good thing I put that shit into hex editor to acutally look
2017-01-03T15:39:11 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Must-Good-Using-DesignSpark-for-12675012/
2017-01-03T15:39:16 < dongs> > You will need to sign my NDA and Copyright agreement.
2017-01-03T15:39:19 < dongs> > $30
2017-01-03T15:40:14 < Steffanx> Hows kickstarter dongs? Anything new?
2017-01-03T15:40:20 < dongs> no
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2017-01-03T15:59:47 < Laurenceb_> when ISIS is the channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x1XZPrDrhU
2017-01-03T16:00:24 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HnGxEbQ6Qw
2017-01-03T16:10:32 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmDsa7KC2s8 this is what happens when Laurenceb_ loads up a game
2017-01-03T16:10:33 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfSjjPaT6rE
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2017-01-03T17:01:03 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_um_g57PoU found leelooman
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2017-01-03T17:10:04  * Laurenceb_ is failing to generate patch files in git
2017-01-03T17:10:13 < Laurenceb_> I seem to be accidentally tracking a load of shit
2017-01-03T17:10:19 < Laurenceb_> how do I untrack?
2017-01-03T17:10:40 < zyp> in what sense?
2017-01-03T17:10:56 < zyp> you wanna rewrite history to strip out unwanted shit from old commits?
2017-01-03T17:11:17 < Laurenceb_> no
2017-01-03T17:11:30 < Laurenceb_> I'm tracking .cmake stuff thats in the project
2017-01-03T17:11:37 < Laurenceb_> so its appearing in my patch file
2017-01-03T17:11:52 < zyp> exactly
2017-01-03T17:12:03 < zyp> so it's in old commits
2017-01-03T17:12:30 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-01-03T17:12:48 < Laurenceb_> it cant be as I cloned the project from github and then ran cmake
2017-01-03T17:13:07 < zyp> so it's just not in .gitignore?
2017-01-03T17:13:34 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-01-03T17:13:39 < Laurenceb_> guess I could add that
2017-01-03T17:13:53 < Laurenceb_> but its not in the original project, so that would be another chance
2017-01-03T17:13:56 < Laurenceb_> *change
2017-01-03T17:14:45 < zyp> so anyway, are you using --all when committing?
2017-01-03T17:15:01 < zyp> also, how are you creating this patch file you're speaking of?
2017-01-03T17:15:36 < Laurenceb_> dunno yet lol
2017-01-03T17:15:39 < Laurenceb_> git n00b here
2017-01-03T17:16:03 < dongs> hm weird
2017-01-03T17:16:04 < Laurenceb_> basically I want to grab project from github and make some changes, then generate a patch
2017-01-03T17:16:08 < zyp> well, it's kinda hard to tell you what you're doing wrong when you haven't told me what you're doing
2017-01-03T17:16:13 < dongs> on F7, ST didnt put crypto on all the boards with ethernet
2017-01-03T17:16:18 < Laurenceb_> I know I'll copypaste my changes then delete _everything_
2017-01-03T17:16:21 < dongs> but made a special version of chip that has crypto
2017-01-03T17:16:21 < Laurenceb_> and start again
2017-01-03T17:16:54 < zyp> Laurenceb_, so anyway, what have you done? what command did you run to generate a patch?
2017-01-03T17:17:14 < Laurenceb_> git format-patch master --stdout > airspy_rx_timestamping.patch
2017-01-03T17:19:09 < Laurenceb_> what does 
2017-01-03T17:19:20 < Laurenceb_> D	CMakeCache.txt
2017-01-03T17:19:27 < Laurenceb_> ^tons of that sort of shit mean?
2017-01-03T17:20:03 < Laurenceb_> reeee why is this so complex
2017-01-03T17:20:06 < zyp> okay, so what commands did you run before format-patch?
2017-01-03T17:20:12 < Laurenceb_> I need to change like one line
2017-01-03T17:20:17 < Laurenceb_> I'll pastebin
2017-01-03T17:21:14 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 recommended if you want to properly learn Git one day
2017-01-03T17:21:36 < zyp> probably a good approach
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2017-01-03T17:22:09 < zyp> starting from the «I just want to make a patch» sounds like a weird introduction
2017-01-03T17:22:50 < PaulFertser> Git is easy once you really get the basics (that surprisingly means learning some internal architecture decisions rather than typical actions).
2017-01-03T17:22:51 < zyp> I don't think I've used format-patch since I worked at STE and had to pack up and distribute zip-files of patchsets
2017-01-03T17:23:06 < zyp> yeah, agreed
2017-01-03T17:25:07 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/RxLT5hxw
2017-01-03T17:25:10 < zyp> I remember there were also some stuff that kept patch files in a git repo
2017-01-03T17:25:37 < zyp> with some scripts to check out another repo and apply the patches
2017-01-03T17:25:52 < Laurenceb_> tried to remove the erranously tracked files and its doing nothing different
2017-01-03T17:25:53 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: git add -A <-- do not do that
2017-01-03T17:26:03 < dongs> did emeb make this https://youtu.be/VAPHnXcX1C0?t=449
2017-01-03T17:26:03 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: use "git add file_i_modified" instead
2017-01-03T17:26:08 < Laurenceb_> ok
2017-01-03T17:26:09 < dongs> holy shit
2017-01-03T17:26:13 < dongs> Laurenceb_: install sourcetree
2017-01-03T17:26:17 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-01-03T17:26:24 < dongs> fuck off wiht cli git
2017-01-03T17:26:25 < dongs> forever
2017-01-03T17:26:44 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: then your "git rm" commands do not do anything because you didn't commit this modification. And you most probably want to "git commit --amend" to rewrite history.
2017-01-03T17:27:13 < zyp> dongs, can sourcetree do line by line staging?
2017-01-03T17:27:43 < Laurenceb_> aha this looks useful, thanks
2017-01-03T17:27:48 < zyp> hm, os x version, maybe I should try it some time
2017-01-03T17:28:02 < dongs> zyp, yeah
2017-01-03T17:28:07 < zyp> cool
2017-01-03T17:28:09 < dongs> you can stage chunks only
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2017-01-03T17:28:24 < zyp> that was my favorite feature of gitx
2017-01-03T17:29:02 < zyp> I tend to do a lot of changes at once, then commit it as five separate commits or so
2017-01-03T17:29:31 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-03T17:29:37 < dongs> i also do that (sometimes)
2017-01-03T17:29:49 < dongs> and separate commits into whatever shit was done grouped together
2017-01-03T17:30:03 < zyp> exactly
2017-01-03T17:30:17 < dongs> like if I fucked with 3 things and commit them all at once then when shit breaks i'll probably miss that part
2017-01-03T17:30:23 < zyp> there's no point in using git if the history ends up being a total mess
2017-01-03T17:30:25 < dongs> but if I do 3 separate commits for trhe individual shits then its easier
2017-01-03T17:30:44 < dongs> hmm im surprised nobody ported bfxr to stm32
2017-01-03T17:30:47 < zyp> the entire value of using git is the history
2017-01-03T17:30:49 < dongs> like f7disco or someshit
2017-01-03T17:31:43 < dongs> or integrated it into some kinda synth/sequencer
2017-01-03T17:32:03 < dongs> oh maybe it being in javascript is the problem
2017-01-03T17:33:57 < Laurenceb_> <PaulFertser> ok so I deleted stuff, now what?
2017-01-03T17:34:17 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: do you have a single commit of yours in the log now?
2017-01-03T17:35:10 < Laurenceb_> dunno
2017-01-03T17:35:30 < Laurenceb_> ok
2017-01-03T17:35:41 < Laurenceb_> so I see all the removed stuff
2017-01-03T17:36:19 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: what's in git log, how many commits of yours are there now?
2017-01-03T17:36:21 < Laurenceb_> so a patch between master and latest commit should work?
2017-01-03T17:36:25 < Laurenceb_> two
2017-01-03T17:36:35 < Laurenceb_> one for the code change, one for untracking
2017-01-03T17:37:00 < zyp> you could squash them into one
2017-01-03T17:37:10 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: missed the --amend option when committing? Now you can do this: git rebase HEAD^^^ and then follow the procedure to squash the two commits together.
2017-01-03T17:37:26 < zyp> rebase -i
2017-01-03T17:37:34 < zyp> otherwise it won't do anything useful
2017-01-03T17:38:18 < zyp> also, shouldn't it be HEAD^^?
2017-01-03T17:38:24 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes, indeed
2017-01-03T17:38:27 < dongs> ^_^HEAD
2017-01-03T17:38:28 < PaulFertser> typo
2017-01-03T17:38:41 < PaulFertser> zyp: well, more commits won't hurt, and provide more context
2017-01-03T17:39:09 < PaulFertser> (more context for the user)
2017-01-03T17:39:22 < zyp> for a simple squash like this, it's probably easier to do «git reset --soft HEAD^^» and then just «git commit» again
2017-01-03T17:39:50 < Laurenceb_> ok
2017-01-03T17:40:40 < dongs> Laurenceb_: why cant you just install sourcetree lol
2017-01-03T17:43:08 < Laurenceb_> ok I'm way to confused
2017-01-03T17:43:13 < Laurenceb_> time to delete it asll
2017-01-03T17:43:22 < dongs> ^ me using git everyday
2017-01-03T17:43:27 < zyp> haha
2017-01-03T17:43:42 < fenugrec> "gitk --all" is super helpful when you're drowning in commit spaghetti
2017-01-03T17:43:59 < dongs> gitk for tcl/tk gui?
2017-01-03T17:44:08 < fenugrec> or gtk ? I forget
2017-01-03T17:44:11 < fenugrec> but yea, GUI
2017-01-03T17:44:44 < zyp> gitg is the most convenient thing for linux that I've tried
2017-01-03T17:44:53 < zyp> but that's just a gtk clone of gitx
2017-01-03T17:44:58 < fenugrec> https://git-scm.com/docs/gitk/1.9.0
2017-01-03T17:46:55 < Laurenceb_> ah worked nicely this time
2017-01-03T17:47:07 < Laurenceb_> delete it all is the winning solution
2017-01-03T17:47:12 < dongs> what airspyshit are you stealing now Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-03T17:47:25 < dongs> are you preempetively cloning emeb's SDR project
2017-01-03T17:47:32 < dongs> before hev even makes the boards
2017-01-03T17:47:42 < Laurenceb_> dongs: just adding timestamps to libairspy
2017-01-03T17:48:07 < Laurenceb_> so you can enable channels 3 and 4 for integer seconds and nanoseconds
2017-01-03T17:48:46 < Laurenceb_> with ntpd this might allow some interesting precision timing stuff
2017-01-03T17:49:07 < Laurenceb_> uisng only cheap shitty hardware - no dedicated clock units
2017-01-03T17:53:40 < qyx> fenugrec: gitk is awful as night
2017-01-03T17:54:13 < qyx> tkinter should be banned globally
2017-01-03T17:54:21 < dongs> haha is it really made with tcltk
2017-01-03T17:54:34 < dongs> tcltk should be fucking banned unless $date is like 1980
2017-01-03T17:54:35 < fenugrec> qyx um, compared to what ? compared to nothing, I disagree
2017-01-03T17:54:54 < dongs> compared to say, sourcetree? Lol
2017-01-03T17:55:11 < zyp> no, there's no other git guis in existence
2017-01-03T17:55:32 < dongs> thats the problem
2017-01-03T17:55:35 < dongs> theres probly liek 20 of them
2017-01-03T17:55:36 < dongs> and they're all shit
2017-01-03T17:55:45 < dongs> typical lunix faggotry
2017-01-03T17:56:28 < zyp> like sourcetree? :p
2017-01-03T17:56:49 < fenugrec> bah, gitk is/was included with git, so it won points for convenience
2017-01-03T17:57:18 < dongs> https://static.lwn.net/images/ns/kernel/gitk.png
2017-01-03T17:57:20 < zyp> that's the fucking thing about tk
2017-01-03T17:57:25 < zyp> it manages to get included everywhere
2017-01-03T17:57:35 < zyp> how the fuck does that happen when it's so shitty?
2017-01-03T17:57:35 < fenugrec> hahaha
2017-01-03T17:57:52 < dongs> tcl is in every fpga toolchain too
2017-01-03T17:57:54 < fenugrec> dongs I begt that commit history would look messy in any gui editor
2017-01-03T17:57:58 < fenugrec> *bet
2017-01-03T17:58:12 < zyp> it does
2017-01-03T17:58:17 < zyp> kernel history is awful
2017-01-03T17:58:52 < qyx> at least gitg has smooth lines in the history view
2017-01-03T17:59:21 < dongs> someone just tweeted me how awesome EFM32 is at low power
2017-01-03T17:59:46 < dongs> so i go look it up
2017-01-03T17:59:48 < dongs> 180 µA/MHz run mode with code executed from flash > EFM32
2017-01-03T18:00:05 < dongs> executing from Flash memory to be as low as 128 µA/MHz. > not even low-power stm32f401
2017-01-03T18:00:11 < dongs> actual low-power STM32L4: Dynamic run mode: down to 84 μA/MHz
2017-01-03T18:00:24 < dongs> sounds like EFM fucking sucks
2017-01-03T18:00:50 < zyp> haha
2017-01-03T18:01:14 < zyp> guy I know claims EFM is pretty good in general
2017-01-03T18:01:21 < dongs> it looks boring
2017-01-03T18:01:35 < zyp> but I'm not sure how much cortex-m experience he got to compare with
2017-01-03T18:01:37 < dongs> the only thing they have going is that i.o matrix
2017-01-03T18:01:45 < dongs> where you can connect * to *
2017-01-03T18:01:55 < dongs> that they've been reusing since 8051 shits
2017-01-03T18:02:11 < karlp> gitg crashes on kernel trees, at least my version.
2017-01-03T18:02:15 < karlp> gitk might do better.
2017-01-03T18:02:16 < zyp> don't they also have some funky dma on steroids shit, to do shit while the cpu remains asleep?
2017-01-03T18:02:27 < dongs> i donno, i didnt look  THAT far
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2017-01-03T18:02:33 < karlp> comparing anything useful to the kernel is absurd though, it's a different world
2017-01-03T18:02:42 < dongs> > implying kernel is useful
2017-01-03T18:02:59 < dongs> lunix toreballs personal playground of cancer
2017-01-03T18:03:09 < Laurenceb_> epin trawllin
2017-01-03T18:03:14 < Kliment> The nice thing about EFM32 is that the peripherals work at low power while the core is deep-sleeping
2017-01-03T18:03:22 < Laurenceb_> dongs I have a jew question
2017-01-03T18:03:54 < Laurenceb_> if jews come up to me and start acting really friendly and talking about business schemes or meeting for a (((social))) gathering
2017-01-03T18:04:03 < Laurenceb_> does this mean they think I'm a jew?
2017-01-03T18:04:11 < dongs> even I think you're a jew
2017-01-03T18:04:12 < dongs> so yes.
2017-01-03T18:04:22 < Laurenceb_> damn
2017-01-03T18:04:29 < Laurenceb_> I do look a bit jew
2017-01-03T18:04:42 < Laurenceb_> time for DNA test, this happens way too often its freaking me out
2017-01-03T18:04:52 < karlp> git add -p is the  best (for interactive chunk staging, instead of whole files)
2017-01-03T18:05:44 < dongs> zyp: http://i.imgur.com/BbnrCN4.png
2017-01-03T18:05:50 < fenugrec> +1 for "add -p"
2017-01-03T18:06:00 < zyp> dongs, haha, wat
2017-01-03T18:06:22 < dongs> zyp: https://goo.gl/3hTDvn here's more
2017-01-03T18:06:42 < zyp> haha, it actually works
2017-01-03T18:06:44 < zyp> I tested
2017-01-03T18:06:56 < zyp> what the fuck
2017-01-03T18:07:09 < dongs> that's context-sensitive japanese 4 u
2017-01-03T18:07:35 < zyp> hahaha
2017-01-03T18:08:26 < zyp> damn, what have I been practicing japanese for, I could just go ふふふふ until people get my point
2017-01-03T18:09:01 < karlp> this is icelandic: "Á á á? Á á á í á"
2017-01-03T18:09:18 < karlp> also, "Á á á á á á Á"
2017-01-03T18:10:20 < englishman> Laurenceb_: it means you will soon part with your money.
2017-01-03T18:10:30 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-01-03T18:10:39 < zyp> «far får får får? nei, får får ikke får for får får lam»
2017-01-03T18:10:44 < englishman> they already know you are not Jewish because they have never seen you in the synagogue.
2017-01-03T18:11:03 < karlp> zyp: watched bölgen(?) here the other night, was kinda nice.
2017-01-03T18:11:06 < Laurenceb_> Daniel Radcliffe is Jewish...
2017-01-03T18:11:12 < Laurenceb_> harry potter meme confirmed
2017-01-03T18:11:21 < englishman> smartgit for lunix has been useable but is still aids, is there anything better?
2017-01-03T18:11:28 < zyp> karlp, I know of it but I haven't watched it
2017-01-03T18:11:38 < karlp> I mean, it's no dead snow, but it was nice.
2017-01-03T18:11:56 < Laurenceb_> gitwithoutaids?
2017-01-03T18:12:05 < karlp> we've got midnight sun now, but that's swedish-sami, so I guess kakimir's tv at best.
2017-01-03T18:16:21 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHBo4F5UcAAwvTb.png
2017-01-03T18:24:36 < Fleck> speaking of git... I have two commits behind on my pc than on server, how do I sync?
2017-01-03T18:25:03 < Fleck> git fetch && git checkout master ?
2017-01-03T18:25:30 < Fleck> then git pull ?
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2017-01-03T18:32:57 < karlp> git pull --ff-only or git pull --rebase, depending on what you like doing....
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2017-01-03T18:36:36 < zyp> I prefer setting rebase as default
2017-01-03T18:36:59 < zyp> pull implies fetch, so you'd use either or
2017-01-03T18:37:09 < zyp> pull is fetch+merge by default
2017-01-03T18:37:14 < zyp> optionally fetch+rebase
2017-01-03T18:38:01 < karlp> I use pull --ff-only a lot when it's a repo I share with people, keepign merge commits out.
2017-01-03T18:38:04 < dongs> git --fuckallthisshitjustuseagui
2017-01-03T18:38:16 < zyp> karlp, yeah
2017-01-03T18:38:30 < zyp> that's what --rebase is convenient for as well
2017-01-03T18:38:34 < zyp> hmm
2017-01-03T18:38:36 < zyp> actually
2017-01-03T18:38:44 < zyp> nowadays I usually just fetch
2017-01-03T18:38:47 < karlp> I could probably set the defaults to one or the other, but I've got myself into a behaviour of just always being explicit 
2017-01-03T18:38:55 < zyp> and merge/rebase after
2017-01-03T18:39:16 < karlp> yeah, that works too
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2017-01-03T20:15:42 < Laurenceb_> triggered by 8chan
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2017-01-03T21:12:22 < qyx> I made a mistake and ordered some M590E gprs modules from ebay for $1.60
2017-01-03T21:12:26 < qyx> http://i.imgur.com/2zIHJhV.jpg
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2017-01-03T21:26:30 < upgrdman> gprs == cellular, not gps, right?
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2017-01-03T21:35:39 < Thorn> general packet radio service
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2017-01-03T21:44:06 < qyx> upgrdman: yep
2017-01-03T21:44:14 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-03T21:52:10 < upgrdman> any web dev / javascript pros in here? this is from a logitech chrome extension. does intiWebSockets() create a server on port 59243, or just connect to a server that already exists there?  http://pastebin.com/ay7ytJAq
2017-01-03T21:52:35 < upgrdman> it's at line 31
2017-01-03T22:02:25 < Steffanx> I assume client.
2017-01-03T22:03:11 < Steffanx> Afaik websockets cant do servers. Not with client side js. (For p2p stuff etc) 
2017-01-03T22:03:22 < Steffanx> Butmy knowledge might be outdated
2017-01-03T22:04:00 < Kliment> Can they do UDP?
2017-01-03T22:04:49 < Kliment> Apparently not
2017-01-03T22:04:59 < qyx> arent websockets just simulating tcp over http?
2017-01-03T22:05:25 < karlp> they are just tcp with a proxy style connect
2017-01-03T22:05:38 < Kliment> webrtc can do direct sockets apparently
2017-01-03T22:05:40 < karlp> upgrdman: looks like the js you've got connects to the "server" in the chrome extension
2017-01-03T22:05:58 < karlp> webrtc has crazy shit yeah, 
2017-01-03T22:05:58 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-03T22:06:37 < englishman> warning, PIC12 content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8cwIA50DOY
2017-01-03T22:07:00 < karlp> webrtc is basically chrome only though: http://caniuse.com/#search=webrtc
2017-01-03T22:07:30 < Kliment> eh? well-supported on firefor and opera too
2017-01-03T22:07:34 < Kliment> firefox*
2017-01-03T22:07:59 < karlp> no-one uses opera though
2017-01-03T22:08:04 < karlp> and current firefox only,
2017-01-03T22:08:15 < Kliment> http://caniuse.com/rtcpeerconnection
2017-01-03T22:08:36 < Kliment> Firefox since v22, chrome since v23
2017-01-03T22:08:46 < karlp> why's no-one using it then?
2017-01-03T22:09:08 < Kliment> Lots of people are
2017-01-03T22:09:20 < karlp> alright, I admit I'
2017-01-03T22:09:20 < Kliment> The main issue is lack of support in safari
2017-01-03T22:09:23 < karlp> ve not looked at it in a while
2017-01-03T22:10:08 < Kliment> The sad thing is people are mostly using it for videochat
2017-01-03T22:10:27 < Kliment> as opposed to anything cool
2017-01-03T22:11:06 < karlp> what else would you need it for?
2017-01-03T22:11:58 < karlp> I mean, websockets covers most of the other uses surely?
2017-01-03T22:13:19 < Kliment> anything where you have user to user connections without a server
2017-01-03T22:13:55 < karlp> well, duh, but which of them do you want in a webbrowser, where you still had a way of _finding_ the other user?
2017-01-03T22:14:12 < karlp> gaming just runs via the server, as you need to find each other anyway
2017-01-03T22:14:24 < karlp> well, anyway.
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2017-01-03T22:31:41 < Steffanx> Hmm, it seems to be even more usable in uA range than i expected Thorn.
2017-01-03T22:34:18 < Thorn> did you get a 867 or a 869?
2017-01-03T22:35:23 < Steffanx> 869s
2017-01-03T22:54:44 < Steffanx> Shop only had the 869 ;)
2017-01-03T23:00:15 < karlp> how much do they charge for the pc interface cable?
2017-01-03T23:03:44 < upgrdman> want a way to organize my test probes, usb cables, etc. what do you guys use? im tempted to try a pomona rack:  https://www.amazon.com/Pomona-Holder-Slots-Black-Diameter/dp/B0000WU3U0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483477371&sr=8-1&keywords=pomona+cable+rack
2017-01-03T23:04:36 < Thorn> http://www.dhresource.com/260x260s/f2-albu-g1-M01-38-C7-rBVaGVaaZ3OAVASyAAC2CTYPdiI232.jpg/2pcs-resin-rose-flower-self-adhesive-wall.jpg
2017-01-03T23:05:47 < Steffanx> $10 overpriced -_-
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2017-01-03T23:06:35 < upgrdman> it is overpriced. but i dont feel like making one
2017-01-03T23:06:59 < upgrdman> hmm this might be better for normal size cables  https://www.amazon.com/Pomona-Holder-Slots-Orange-Diameter/dp/B0000WU2OW/ref=pd_bxgy_60_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=47E0ZXNWXHGPQ7AWMNEF
2017-01-03T23:07:19 < Steffanx> For someone with lots of time maybe it's "just a piece of metal".
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2017-01-03T23:09:24 < upgrdman> but they you cant efficiently store it on end
2017-01-03T23:09:45 < BrainDamage> i've used a similar version with flexible plasic and it's not too bad, i'm not sure wth metal because you often jam there multiple cords
2017-01-03T23:09:45 < upgrdman> you either pile them up and have to dig them out, or you waste cuntloads of space by spacing them out
2017-01-03T23:11:12 < BrainDamage> for 10$ it's not evenworth the time searching for something cheaper
2017-01-03T23:11:16 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, like 10 slots, each can hold prolly 5+ cables
2017-01-03T23:11:24 < upgrdman> BrainDamage++
2017-01-03T23:12:13 < upgrdman> its also a junk pile
2017-01-03T23:12:20 < Steffanx> hehe
2017-01-03T23:12:21 < upgrdman> random shit you have to move ou the way
2017-01-03T23:12:39 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, theyre not. used them at uni
2017-01-03T23:12:45 < Steffanx> ^^
2017-01-03T23:12:48 < upgrdman> very nice for org'ing test clips, probes, etc
2017-01-03T23:13:03 < fenugrec> a  row of nails also works
2017-01-03T23:13:51 < Steffanx> Just buy them when you have good experience with it upgrdman ;)
2017-01-03T23:14:24 < upgrdman> Steffanx, just wasnt sure if there was something better. germans and japs prolly do something better but i haven't seen them
2017-01-03T23:15:19 < upgrdman> ya pegboard is useful. i have some. but its also a jack-of-all-trade-made-of-FUCKING-NONE
2017-01-03T23:15:25 < upgrdman> s/made/master
2017-01-03T23:15:37 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: plastic fins are nicer on your cable, but you'll eventually break one after few years
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2017-01-03T23:15:52 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, link to plastic product? or name for me to google?
2017-01-03T23:16:10 < BrainDamage> i don't know the name, wasn't me that bought them
2017-01-03T23:16:15 < BrainDamage> i guess i could ask
2017-01-03T23:16:17 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-03T23:16:33 < Steffanx> Mine are made of pretty thick metal.. no cable issues at all
2017-01-03T23:17:33 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, but you can hang BETWEEN those hooks to make it nice and org'd AND compact
2017-01-03T23:18:28 < upgrdman> exactly. that's bullshit
2017-01-03T23:18:36 < upgrdman> with the one i linked, theres no bending
2017-01-03T23:18:42 < upgrdman> it just hangs on the connector of your cable
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2017-01-03T23:19:20 < BrainDamage> you can use > 1 teeth spacing fwiw
2017-01-03T23:19:24 < upgrdman> like this http://cdn2.jensentools.com/images/p/7041-g.01_s500_p1._Vb69918e0_.jpg
2017-01-03T23:19:56 < Thorn> how do I add seed to this? can I just lfsr = seed;? http://paste.ofcode.org/u395LYVhPEPy2cAAFTUvw3
2017-01-03T23:21:41 < englishman> are there anu 8-pin soic stm8 or stm32
2017-01-03T23:21:51 < englishman> guess not
2017-01-03T23:21:56 < upgrdman> 8pin stm32.
2017-01-03T23:22:03 < upgrdman> breakyman
2017-01-03T23:22:06 < upgrdman> beakyman*
2017-01-03T23:22:07 < englishman> f u
2017-01-03T23:22:42 < Steffanx> not that i know of englishman.
2017-01-03T23:22:48 < BrainDamage> Thorn: did you just copy that verbatim from the wikipedia article?
2017-01-03T23:22:54 < upgrdman> tssop is smallest stm32 i've seen. dunno stm8
2017-01-03T23:23:04 < englishman> CY8C401x is cortex-m0
2017-01-03T23:23:12 < englishman> hmm
2017-01-03T23:23:22 < Thorn> BrainDamage: I copied it from my code but I can't remember where it came from originally lol
2017-01-03T23:23:23 < Steffanx> there is some lpc too afaik.
2017-01-03T23:23:38 < BrainDamage> Thorn: you forgot to copy "    uint16_t start_state = 0xACE1u;  /* Any nonzero start state will work. */ "
2017-01-03T23:24:09 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-01-03T23:24:12 < Thorn> lol
2017-01-03T23:24:13 < Thorn> 0 was my concern
2017-01-03T23:24:52 < Thorn> I time a button press for the seed with overflow so 0 is a possibility. I guess I'll do seed==0? 42: seed
2017-01-03T23:27:20 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Popular_pages
2017-01-03T23:27:23 < Laurenceb_>  lul 2004
2017-01-03T23:27:39 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_congruential_generator is also an option fwiw
2017-01-03T23:28:06 < BrainDamage> that is, if you don't give a fuck about the rng's quality
2017-01-03T23:28:19 < Thorn> it needs to be game quality
2017-01-03T23:28:30 < BrainDamage> then that works as well
2017-01-03T23:28:38 < Laurenceb_> 72 10062 Coconut Crab
2017-01-03T23:28:49 < Laurenceb_> ^origin of /crabpol/  ?
2017-01-03T23:28:58 < Thorn> I also found http://www.math.sci.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~m-mat/MT/TINYMT/index.html but it seems an overkill
2017-01-03T23:32:11 < upgrdman> do people trust ASIC RNGs?
2017-01-03T23:32:56 < upgrdman> 1% fail rate huh? 1 entire fucking percent
2017-01-03T23:32:58 < karlp> FIPS, or, "Federal Intentionally Pisspoor Security"
2017-01-03T23:33:08 < upgrdman> NSA must be cremeing their pants
2017-01-03T23:33:32 < upgrdman> what about using a FUCKING DIODE
2017-01-03T23:34:48 < BrainDamage> they do
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2017-01-03T23:35:14 < BrainDamage> you reverse bias a diode and you measure the shot noise of the dark current
2017-01-03T23:35:21 < BrainDamage> then you hash the output to whiten it
2017-01-03T23:35:40 < BrainDamage> and you've made a pro leet h4xor hw rng
2017-01-03T23:35:52 < BrainDamage> which exploits QUANTUM EFFECTS
2017-01-03T23:37:00 < BrainDamage> generally the rngs on chips i've seen are all PRNG
2017-01-03T23:37:28 < BrainDamage> mostly because people care about speed rather than quality of the output
2017-01-03T23:37:39 < BrainDamage> and a hashing circuit takes a lot of spac
2017-01-03T23:37:53 < upgrdman> so reading up on shot noise. is shot noise only ever a concern if you are reading something where few photons/electrons than your resolution? so for a 12bit ADC, is shot noise NEVER a concern if you expect >4095 electrons ?
2017-01-03T23:41:08 < BrainDamage> no, you're not comparing it to your resolution
2017-01-03T23:42:08 < BrainDamage> it's the random statistics of particle arrival because charge is discrete and QM says you can't predict when one tunnels trough a potential barrier
2017-01-03T23:42:42 < BrainDamage> it's actually present in any current level
2017-01-03T23:43:16 < BrainDamage> but you can noitice only at low intensities because at higher values the statistics merge up and you get a continous value
2017-01-03T23:44:48 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_inequalities
2017-01-03T23:45:21 < BrainDamage> until you bring up nonlocality aka entanglement, we've actually ruled out ANY hidden variable theory for QM
2017-01-03T23:46:31 < BrainDamage> none said it isn't
2017-01-03T23:48:51 < BrainDamage> because people love to fap about this
2017-01-03T23:49:41 < BrainDamage> for what's worth encryption algos except for xor otp cypher are all not secure from a information theory pov until someone proves that P!=NP
2017-01-03T23:49:56 < BrainDamage> that doesn't prevent people all over the world to use them
2017-01-03T23:51:20 < Laurenceb_> Many worlds
2017-01-03T23:51:24 < Laurenceb_> its the only solution
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2017-01-04T00:32:08 < Laurenceb_> anyone here any good with gnuplot?
2017-01-04T00:33:09 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/S1Rcd3eV
2017-01-04T00:33:29 < Laurenceb_> getting error "y2 values undefined"
2017-01-04T00:33:33 < Laurenceb_> rage inducing
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2017-01-04T00:38:40 < Laurenceb_> hmm its some sort of error caused by the file format :-S
2017-01-04T00:38:44 < Laurenceb_> 57756 79238.013 -0.000617520 -3.418 0.000461715 0.095317 6
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2017-01-04T00:45:19 < Laurenceb_> can't see anything wrong, but gnuplot can :S
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2017-01-04T01:34:13 < upgrdman> anyone know if wireshark can show packets send-and-receiving on localhost?
2017-01-04T01:34:24 < upgrdman> e.g. if i open cmd.exe and ping 127.0.0.1, i want to see those
2017-01-04T01:35:16 < Thorn> you need to sniff the loopback interface for that and weeendows doesn't even have it by default iirc
2017-01-04T01:35:41 < upgrdman> wtf. really?
2017-01-04T01:36:02 < upgrdman> so any way to see those loopback packets? some other tool? some win debug shit?
2017-01-04T01:36:32 < Thorn> iirc you can "install" it
2017-01-04T01:37:54 < Thorn> or ping your lan interface (192.168.1.x or whatever) instead
2017-01-04T01:40:21 < Fleck> Thorn? U mad? Ofc wincrap has loopback device ;D
2017-01-04T01:40:53 < Thorn> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc708322(v=ws.10).aspx
2017-01-04T01:41:34 < Thorn> why instructions on how to install (sic!) it then
2017-01-04T01:42:09 < Thorn> >When the Is the hardware connected? dialog box appears, click Yes, I have already connected the hardware
2017-01-04T01:42:17 < Thorn> LIES
2017-01-04T01:42:17 < Fleck> cause wincrap? :D
2017-01-04T01:45:15 < Fleck> and afaik INSTALL is just for wincraps control panel to show it up :D it's actually working all the time
2017-01-04T01:46:09 < Thorn> https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/Loopback
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2017-01-04T01:54:07 < stvn> Steffanx, good mroring.
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2017-01-04T02:29:11 < Rob235> this soc gets hot!
2017-01-04T02:29:15 < kakimir> why music sounds good in car
2017-01-04T02:29:20 < kakimir> car effect
2017-01-04T02:29:40 < Rob235> speakers all around you?
2017-01-04T02:31:33 < Rob235> yea true
2017-01-04T02:31:40 < Rob235> I dont know why my car has surround sound
2017-01-04T02:32:34 < Rob235> I dont even like music unless im in a car
2017-01-04T02:33:25 < Rob235> id rather have a random tv show on in the background than listening to music while I work
2017-01-04T02:33:33 < kakimir> I think I need a small headphone dac to my ultracrapbook to provide some real sound pressure
2017-01-04T02:34:28 < Rob235> ugh come on EDS, I'm only updating you, why are you taking forever
2017-01-04T02:34:52 < kakimir> integrated energycheap one doesn't put up the sound pressure
2017-01-04T02:35:11 < Rob235> attach a 1000w amp?
2017-01-04T02:35:38 < zyp> LeelooMinai, on the other hand, I bet a lot of work goes into tuning it so it sounds good
2017-01-04T02:37:17 < kakimir> Rob235: I have one few hundred watt one
2017-01-04T02:37:40 < Rob235> LeelooMinai: I think that would bother me
2017-01-04T02:37:49 < kakimir> but it doesn't sound like anything until you blast it
2017-01-04T02:37:53 < Rob235> but I can't think of a better way to do it
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2017-01-04T02:38:30 < Rob235> really? thats crazy
2017-01-04T02:38:54 < Rob235> I thought you were going to say the opposite and say they use it for noise cancellation
2017-01-04T02:39:17 < upgrdman> web devs: im capturing tcp packets that supposted contain a JSON.stringify() payload. how do i un-stringify?
2017-01-04T02:39:20 < Rob235> my car is nice and quiet but I guess its an old persons car, its a 2006 and still has a cassette player
2017-01-04T02:39:29 < zyp> pff, you don't know quiet
2017-01-04T02:39:38 < kakimir> it certainly is
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2017-01-04T02:39:54 < Rob235> get in a 2006 acura TL, the engine is so quiet
2017-01-04T02:39:55 < kakimir> old persons car
2017-01-04T02:40:18 < kakimir> he has electric one Rob235 
2017-01-04T02:40:20 < zyp> Rob235, yeah? get in any EV
2017-01-04T02:40:22 < Rob235> ohhhh
2017-01-04T02:40:23 < Rob235> heh
2017-01-04T02:40:53 < Rob235> well for a regular gas engine car, especially a 6 cyl, its very quiet
2017-01-04T02:41:13 < Rob235> my mechanic even commented on it when I was having him check it out before I bought it
2017-01-04T02:41:42 < zyp> I'm not gonna dispute that
2017-01-04T02:42:08 < stvn> bumbling old rattler
2017-01-04T02:42:10 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: greatly depending what kind of background
2017-01-04T02:43:08 < zyp> in my car the ventilation system is competing with tire noise to be loudest
2017-01-04T02:43:39 < stvn> yeah
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2017-01-04T02:43:58 < zyp> if I'm driving slow and turn off the ventilation system, it's practically dead silent
2017-01-04T02:44:22 < zyp> until I hit the accelerator and get some faint inverter whine while accelerating
2017-01-04T02:44:23 < Rob235> what ev you got
2017-01-04T02:44:26 < zyp> egolf
2017-01-04T02:44:38 < zyp> LeelooMinai, well, it's certainly a golf :)
2017-01-04T02:45:10 < zyp> been for years
2017-01-04T02:45:47 < Rob235> I either want a tesla or an electric audi that doesn't exist yet (at least I dont think they have ev cars)
2017-01-04T02:46:04 < zyp> audi only have PHEVs so far
2017-01-04T02:46:27 < zyp> audi e-tron something
2017-01-04T02:47:20 < zyp> LeelooMinai, well, norway is a bit particular in that regard
2017-01-04T02:47:37 < stvn> http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/6D32/production/_85745972_gettyimages-2672962.jpg
2017-01-04T02:48:42 < zyp> norway got both 25% VAT and steep fees on first-time registration of a car, and they're both pretty much exempt for EVs
2017-01-04T02:49:46 < zyp> so EVs ends up fairly cheap compared to conventional cars, even if they would be more expensive to make
2017-01-04T02:49:52 < Rob235> what is phev?
2017-01-04T02:49:59 < zyp> plugin hybrid
2017-01-04T02:50:03 < Rob235> ahhh
2017-01-04T02:50:09 < stvn> mox fuel mate
2017-01-04T02:50:10 < Rob235> didn't know that
2017-01-04T02:50:40 < Rob235> I get 16 mpg
2017-01-04T02:50:44 < Rob235> aweful
2017-01-04T02:51:17 < zyp> EVs are also exempt from road tolls, some parking fees, some ferry tickets, etc…
2017-01-04T02:51:28 < Rob235> wow, thats a cool idea
2017-01-04T02:52:30 < stvn> ya
2017-01-04T02:52:49 < zyp> and the cost of electricity is a fifth or so of the cost of conventional fuel to drive a given distance
2017-01-04T02:53:12 < zyp> so it's both cheap to buy and cheap to operate
2017-01-04T02:54:03 < zyp> the only way EVs are expensive in is that you can't buy some old junker for about nothing, because it's so new there's not a lot of old junkers on the market yet
2017-01-04T02:54:31 < Rob235> an electric junker sounds like it would expensive as hell to maintain. how long do the batteries last?
2017-01-04T02:54:56 < zyp> hard to tell, but most cars on the market today got an 8 year warranty on the battery
2017-01-04T02:55:26 < Rob235> yea, cant really see it lasting much longer than that is my guess
2017-01-04T02:55:39 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKIc1BcWDlM diesel
2017-01-04T02:56:15 < zyp> they're doing a lot of stuff to make the batteries last longer
2017-01-04T02:57:02 < zyp> there's a fairly huge buffer in both the top and the bottom of the battery, so they never fully charge or discharge it
2017-01-04T02:57:31 < zyp> and it's in the extreme conditions that the battery wears the most
2017-01-04T02:58:18 < kakimir> it still takes 20 more years to battery car win le mans
2017-01-04T02:58:49 < Rob235> at pit stop just replace whole battery set each time :)
2017-01-04T02:58:57 < Rob235> oh lemans doesnt have pit stops does it
2017-01-04T02:59:34 < Rob235> I obviously don't watch any kind of racing :)
2017-01-04T02:59:36 < kakimir> it has
2017-01-04T02:59:40 < Rob235> oh ok
2017-01-04T02:59:51 < kakimir> I think as many as you wish to have
2017-01-04T02:59:52 < Lambda_Aurigae> EVs rock at drag racing though.
2017-01-04T03:00:18 < Rob235> instant torque
2017-01-04T03:00:22 < zyp> I don't follow racing either, but I thought hybrids are already pretty popular within the racing world
2017-01-04T03:01:17 < Rob235> probably bumpy as hell
2017-01-04T03:01:53 < Rob235> is it true long race drives just pee where they are and it just evaporates cause its so hot?
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2017-01-04T03:02:02 < Rob235> drivers*
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2017-01-04T03:04:11 < Lambda_Aurigae> driving diapers?
2017-01-04T03:04:15 < Rob235> MTB?
2017-01-04T03:04:33 < Rob235> ahh
2017-01-04T03:05:01 < Rob235> a guy might have an easier time with that... at least getting less wet hah
2017-01-04T03:07:10 < Rob235> heh
2017-01-04T03:10:03 < Rob235> you see the guy who ran a marathon or something and shit himself very badly but kept going and finished
2017-01-04T03:10:12 < Rob235> I think it was real at least
2017-01-04T03:11:22 < Rob235> http://s423.photobucket.com/user/bignrich/media/poop-marathon-runner.jpg.html
2017-01-04T03:11:52 < stvn> Rob235,  read topic
2017-01-04T03:12:20 < Rob235> what the link dump?
2017-01-04T03:12:32 < stvn> :]
2017-01-04T03:12:40 < Rob235> whatever
2017-01-04T03:13:02 < stvn> trevor
2017-01-04T03:17:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEYNPCNYohI le mans
2017-01-04T03:20:17 < Rob235> that dude is passing people like crazy
2017-01-04T03:21:10 < kakimir> to be exact - everyone
2017-01-04T03:25:04 < englishman> nice vid kaks
2017-01-04T03:25:11 < englishman> LMP are fucking great
2017-01-04T03:26:29 < upgrdman> that pro video of le mans 2014. wtf does it look like it was recorded with one of those shit chinese $2 keychain spy cameras. can't euro fags afford at least 1080p? or even 4K really.
2017-01-04T03:26:40 < Rob235> hmmm what to do... eds5 uses your network card to identify you and says not to use a virtual one incase it changes... I almost exclusively use windows in vmware...
2017-01-04T03:27:31 < kakimir> upgrdman: it's prob some shitty broadcasting cam
2017-01-04T03:27:46 < englishman> probably because all that shit breaks
2017-01-04T03:27:51 < englishman> and or adds weight
2017-01-04T03:28:06 < upgrdman> inorite. "heres a PAL camera from 1980. enjoy!"
2017-01-04T03:28:11 < englishman> old car cams were trash
2017-01-04T03:28:19 < englishman> gobro really changed shit
2017-01-04T03:28:30 < upgrdman> well even a fucking gopro would look better. and theyre not very heavy
2017-01-04T03:28:32 < stvn> it's phantom of the opera
2017-01-04T03:28:37 < englishman> but also forbidden
2017-01-04T03:28:39 < upgrdman> only added weight would then be the live video feed shitz
2017-01-04T03:28:43 < englishman> can't have shit falling ofd
2017-01-04T03:29:00 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-04T03:29:47 < Laurenceb_> gofail
2017-01-04T03:31:22 < englishman> like this trash http://www.chasecam.com/motorsports/
2017-01-04T03:31:38 < englishman> race cars aren't actually amazing or complicated
2017-01-04T03:31:43 < englishman> just expensive
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2017-01-04T03:41:45 < kakimir> metal?
2017-01-04T03:44:34 < kakimir> unless you do this mad fast racing cars it's all carbon composite
2017-01-04T03:44:47 < kakimir> there is no steel tubing
2017-01-04T03:45:36 < kakimir> chromo steel
2017-01-04T03:46:13 < kakimir> same stuff that bicycle frames are made of
2017-01-04T03:47:19 < kakimir> also airplane frames when steel tubes are utilized
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2017-01-04T03:52:47 < kakimir> just make it so thick it doesn't
2017-01-04T03:59:50 < kakimir> you are implying other axis would be weak in tensile strenght
2017-01-04T04:02:14 < kakimir> it's not a tube
2017-01-04T04:03:35 < kakimir> CF chassis
2017-01-04T04:03:48 < zyp> deformation might actually be desirable, it absorbs energy
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2017-01-04T04:04:41 < zyp> so even if you make it composite thick enough to not shatter, it doesn't have the same characteristics as steel
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2017-01-04T04:06:05 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AecVYAWtn4U
2017-01-04T04:06:48 < kakimir> you are implying F1 cars should go back to aluminum and steel?
2017-01-04T04:07:54 < kakimir> sure
2017-01-04T04:08:09 < kakimir> http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2011/04/mclaren-MP4-12C-vs-F1-monocoque.jpg
2017-01-04T04:08:51 < kakimir> apparently it's the right solution to have there
2017-01-04T04:12:28 < stvn> autism for you, autism for me
2017-01-04T04:14:27 < jadew> is that a coffee holder?
2017-01-04T04:18:38 < kakimir> that steel tube in f1 adds three things to that area that CF can not give. high elastic deformation, permanent deformation without shattering, and abrassion resistance
2017-01-04T04:20:34 < kakimir> it doesn't mean you need to make the whole box out of jello
2017-01-04T04:21:47 < kakimir> just that high spike that takes way too big impacts for any material to be made solid
2017-01-04T04:22:17 < kakimir> our basic sedans and such are
2017-01-04T04:22:35 < kakimir> just bouncing around
2017-01-04T04:24:01 < kakimir> when they make airplanes out of that steel tubing one crash investor around here said that it's not pretty if the plane comes to sudden stop
2017-01-04T04:25:28 < kakimir> aluminum planes just fall into pieces and the structure shatters all around
2017-01-04T04:26:08 < kakimir> and maybe stay just and just intact
2017-01-04T04:27:06 < kakimir> where same crash in steel tube frame looks like the plane is almost okay just engine frame needs some adjustment
2017-01-04T04:27:25 < kakimir> new landing gear and such
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2017-01-04T04:28:07 < kakimir> and pilots have seat belts drilled in all way to bones
2017-01-04T04:29:05 < kakimir> yeah.. maybe chromo steel is not that jello I think it is
2017-01-04T04:31:47 < kakimir> that accident *investigator died in a plane crash himself
2017-01-04T04:34:06 < kakimir> :o
2017-01-04T04:34:35 < kakimir> talking about irony..
2017-01-04T04:34:40 < zyp> maybe they misunderstood reconstruction
2017-01-04T04:34:53 < kakimir> but that sounds like a joke
2017-01-04T04:35:12 < stvn> jokes are funny i have a cat named sunny
2017-01-04T04:39:18 < kakimir> they are same person
2017-01-04T04:40:53 < kakimir> both are murricans
2017-01-04T04:49:21 < stvn> show me ya fucken LEDs mate
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2017-01-04T05:25:10 < Spirit532> fml
2017-01-04T05:25:12 < Spirit532> I do so many fixes
2017-01-04T05:25:14 < Spirit532> everything right
2017-01-04T05:25:24 < Spirit532> except... I forgot to put a reset pullup... again...
2017-01-04T05:30:09 < stvn> don't worry you can only get fired so many times
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2017-01-04T05:33:37 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Figured out that switch diode thingo in the joystick. It's http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=110760 (I have since labelled the switches)
2017-01-04T05:36:17 < englishman> State Rep. Bill Chumley, a Republican from Spartanburg, told his hometown newspaper that his Human Trafficking Prevention Act would require manufacturers or sellers of computers or other devices that access the Internet to install digital blocks to prevent the viewing of obscene content. Blocking websites that facilitate prostitution would also be
2017-01-04T05:36:17 < englishman> required, he said.
2017-01-04T05:36:19 < englishman> lol
2017-01-04T05:37:23 < englishman> what's that from Jak_o_Shadows1 
2017-01-04T05:38:35 < Jak_o_Shadows1> englishman, the stick part of https://vvvv.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/large/F_23U.jpg
2017-01-04T05:38:59 < Jak_o_Shadows1> It was a gameport joystick
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2017-01-04T05:44:47 < Jak_o_Shadows1> The annoying thing is that the base of it, all 4 pots have the wipers tied together, with one of the other two legs broken ouit
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2017-01-04T05:50:27 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Problem is, making it iinto any kind of voltage divider by itself makes it non-linear as heck
2017-01-04T06:02:31 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows1: what the shit is that, fritzing?
2017-01-04T06:03:40 < ohsix> guy here is trying to scam shop owner about editing wikipedia
2017-01-04T06:03:50 < ohsix> and '''''''''''''SEO''''''''
2017-01-04T06:04:46 < ohsix> he's talking about shit that was basically true in 2002 and early page rank and not anymore
2017-01-04T06:04:49 < ohsix> he's also religious
2017-01-04T06:04:51 < ohsix> go figure
2017-01-04T06:07:29 < Jak_o_Shadows1> It isn't fritzing. It's an OLD copy of a circuit simulator. I don't do much circuit work
2017-01-04T06:07:52 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/would-like-hire-Engineer-12679835/
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2017-01-04T06:11:58 < dongs> http://www.phoenixarcade.com/ArcadeSD.htm what teh fuck is this?
2017-01-04T06:12:04 < dongs> (attn zyp maybe?)
2017-01-04T06:12:57 < zyp> some sort of emulator board?
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2017-01-04T06:16:11 < dongs> Use an SD Card with a capacity of 32 MB up to 2 GB only (SDHC Cards NOT supported)
2017-01-04T06:16:15 < dongs> lawl
2017-01-04T06:16:18 < dongs> can tell using non-pro MCUs there
2017-01-04T06:16:38 < dongs> Format the SD Card using the FAT file system (not FAT32)
2017-01-04T06:16:40 < dongs> WTF
2017-01-04T06:16:40 < zyp> jamma is some standardized card edge pinout thing
2017-01-04T06:16:54 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/vkqtw.JPG <- this shit I were messing around with a couple of years ago were also jamma
2017-01-04T06:17:32 < dongs> lol wow is dat sum arcade crap
2017-01-04T06:17:54 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-04T06:18:10 < zyp> it's basically a playstation one
2017-01-04T06:18:37 < zyp> that usb connector next to the dip switches is not usb, it's jvs
2017-01-04T06:18:43 < zyp> that's what the usbjvs is for
2017-01-04T06:18:59 < dongs> hah, hax
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2017-01-04T06:19:33 < zyp> pic is from around the time I were prototyping the firmware for that on a discovery board
2017-01-04T06:19:35 < dongs> > 49 way joystick wat
2017-01-04T06:20:31 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/oinyZ.JPG
2017-01-04T06:21:19 < dongs> were you writing a bot to auto-play DDR
2017-01-04T06:22:10 < zyp> no, shit's emulating a memory card reader that's used to save scores
2017-01-04T06:22:55 < englishman> nice dt750s
2017-01-04T06:22:56 < zyp> the US guy you shipped the usbjvs stuff to is making a memory card reader emulator that hooks up to old DDR cabs and saves scores online
2017-01-04T06:23:14 < englishman> precisely three of them, for your sweedish tricopter no doubt
2017-01-04T06:23:40 < zyp> englishman, I see four on the pic
2017-01-04T06:23:57 < englishman> aha so :)
2017-01-04T06:24:00 < zyp> the forth fell down and is on the desk :p
2017-01-04T06:24:11 < dongs> i see 4
2017-01-04T06:24:24 < dongs> also i see a shitty BMP c lone
2017-01-04T06:24:38 < zyp> it's awesome
2017-01-04T06:24:52 < dongs> and beagle 480
2017-01-04T06:24:55 < dongs> and I think arcin?
2017-01-04T06:25:01 < zyp> it's also awesome
2017-01-04T06:25:02 < zyp> and yeah
2017-01-04T06:25:37 < zyp> ton of other shit as well
2017-01-04T06:25:46 < zyp> that xmos thing I never did anything with
2017-01-04T06:25:52 < zyp> which I got for free?
2017-01-04T06:26:03 < dongs> youre not supposed to do anythign with xmos
2017-01-04T06:26:08 < dongs> its for filling useless shit drawer only
2017-01-04T06:27:42 < dongs> https://github.com/Staringlizard/memwa2/commits/master hm this guy is still doing it
2017-01-04T06:27:47 < dongs> he tried to  dickstart and it failed
2017-01-04T06:28:35 < zyp> LeelooMinai, sure you don't have cause and effect mixed up?
2017-01-04T06:30:08 < dongs> k back to this dfu thing
2017-01-04T06:30:18 < dongs> duno why i autismed out into arcade trash
2017-01-04T06:30:32 < zyp> haha
2017-01-04T06:30:39 < zyp> are you still fucking around with it?
2017-01-04T06:31:09 < dongs> nah i had other trash to do yesterday, so i didnt get far except filling out those structs
2017-01-04T06:31:16 < zyp> I thought I said it would be a 15 minute job, generating that shit
2017-01-04T06:31:19 < dongs> and noticing weird inconsistencies like that b/boolean shit
2017-01-04T06:31:31 < dongs> yeah but i was doing 5 other things at once.
2017-01-04T06:32:38 < dongs> im sure it is 10 lines of python
2017-01-04T06:32:45 < dongs> but my shit needs to be in C and readable
2017-01-04T06:33:08 < zyp> haha
2017-01-04T06:34:17 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'm a bit curious actually, since you seem to have some xmos experience
2017-01-04T06:34:40 < zyp> LeelooMinai, what kind of applications is xmos suited for?
2017-01-04T06:34:43 < dongs> every one of those dumb headers mixes BE/LE at random
2017-01-04T06:34:55 < zyp> wat
2017-01-04T06:35:00 < zyp> why isn't everything LE?
2017-01-04T06:35:17 < zyp> pretty much anything standard usb is LE
2017-01-04T06:35:30 < dongs> DFUImageSize = LE
2017-01-04T06:35:37 < dongs> The Image Element buffer is
2017-01-04T06:35:37 < dongs> represented in Big Endian order.
2017-01-04T06:36:04 < dongs> o wait thats buffer, but there was BE ints elsewhere
2017-01-04T06:36:11 < zyp> the buffer? what the fuck does that even mean?
2017-01-04T06:36:29 < dongs> the buffer is tehre from top to bottom?
2017-01-04T06:36:43 < zyp> I don't get it
2017-01-04T06:36:44 < dongs> as opposed to in reverse order
2017-01-04T06:36:59 < zyp> that doesn't have anything to do with endianness
2017-01-04T06:37:03 < dongs> of course not
2017-01-04T06:38:24 < zyp> i.e. multithreaded dsp?
2017-01-04T06:40:25 < emeb_mac> that xmos stuff is so weird
2017-01-04T06:40:33 < dongs> oh emeb is here
2017-01-04T06:40:37 < emeb_mac> I got one of their early devboards around here somewhere
2017-01-04T06:40:41 < emeb_mac> very odd.
2017-01-04T06:40:42 < dongs> < dongs> did emeb make this https://youtu.be/VAPHnXcX1C0?t=449
2017-01-04T06:40:43 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I know how the barrel architecture works
2017-01-04T06:40:53 < dongs> xmos is about as useful as propeller
2017-01-04T06:40:59 < dongs> for academia jerking off
2017-01-04T06:41:12 < dongs> beyond that, zero real use
2017-01-04T06:41:25 < emeb_mac> dongs: nope - that's the crazy Teenage Engineering stuff.
2017-01-04T06:41:47 < dongs> emeb_mac: lol, its japs?
2017-01-04T06:41:57 < zyp> LeelooMinai, it's essentially hardware multithreading with support for up to eight threads, with pipelining issues that makes it impossible to run a single thread at more than 25% duty
2017-01-04T06:42:03 < emeb_mac> dongs: no Teenage Engineeering is Swedish IIRc
2017-01-04T06:42:11 < dongs> oh wtf. google 1st result was in jap
2017-01-04T06:42:13 < dongs> sneaky
2017-01-04T06:42:41 < emeb_mac> yeah - I've seen those xmos things used in high-end USB/Audio gizmos
2017-01-04T06:43:03 < dongs> emeb_mac: yeah some dumbfuck spread a rumor that ASYNC USB IS SUPER AMAZE
2017-01-04T06:43:09 < dongs> and xmos was quick to get in on teh hype
2017-01-04T06:43:18 < dongs> because surely you cannot do fucking USB audio class on any other mcu
2017-01-04T06:43:38 < zyp> LeelooMinai, but it's also only 100MHz effective if you only have only one thread that does anything useful
2017-01-04T06:43:40 < dongs> something jitter something audiophile something xmos
2017-01-04T06:43:51 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-01-04T06:44:29 < dongs> emeb_mac: anyway, what are they doing there? just simple parametric synth + sequencer?
2017-01-04T06:44:32 < dongs> nothing crazy right
2017-01-04T06:45:23 < emeb_mac> dongs: they've got a whole line of those things with different firmware and displays
2017-01-04T06:45:24 < zyp> also, I'm not sure I see the argument of «multichannel», if you're doing the same things to two channels, there's not really a real benefit in doing it in separate threads, would be just as fast to do both in a single thread that could run twice as fast
2017-01-04T06:47:31 < dongs> well
2017-01-04T06:47:41 < dongs> im looking at .dfu made with ST tool and headers dont match.
2017-01-04T06:47:46 < zyp> LeelooMinai, how does that DAC you linked even benefit from xmos?
2017-01-04T06:48:37 < dongs> zyp, you should totally write async usb audio device for STM32.
2017-01-04T06:48:43 < dongs> it will immediately remove all need for xmos.
2017-01-04T06:48:58 < zyp> didn't I do that already?
2017-01-04T06:49:03 < dongs> no, it needs to be async
2017-01-04T06:49:17 < zyp> in what sense?
2017-01-04T06:49:24 < emeb_mac> zyp: I think the main reason that xmos is used is that xmos gives away the firmware and all the other mfgs require you to either develop it yourself or buy it from them with royalties.
2017-01-04T06:49:28 < dongs> http://amimuse.com/2012/09/asynchronous-usb-audio-class-2-0/
2017-01-04T06:49:50 < emeb_mac> and no one wants to code up the nasty USB Audio stuff for themselves
2017-01-04T06:50:13 < dongs> you could make meeelions
2017-01-04T06:50:23 < zyp> dongs, haha, that text doesn't make sense
2017-01-04T06:50:28 < dongs> zyp, of course it doesnt
2017-01-04T06:50:30 < dongs> its for audiophoools
2017-01-04T06:50:31 < emeb_mac> LeelooMinai: I'd rather use an FPGA - much easier
2017-01-04T06:50:53 < dongs> http://www.edn.com/design/consumer/4424103/USB-audio--Asynchronous-is-the-only-choice-for-compromise-free-audio-
2017-01-04T06:50:56 < dongs> > COMPROMISE-FREE AUDIO
2017-01-04T06:51:28 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I actually looked at the possibility of using that xmos with a cortex-m core instead of stm32+fpga for some shit
2017-01-04T06:51:28 < emeb_mac> LeelooMinai: FPGA is waaaay easier for me - I've been doing it for 25 years.
2017-01-04T06:51:30 < dongs> Advocating a particular solution for applications that choose to use adaptive or synchronous clocking is fine. But to marginalize other clocking modes is misleading. The fact that XMOS devices are at the heart of USB audio products from respected brands such as Arcam, Meridian, Sony and Sennheiser, all of which use asynchronous operation, says a lot about the reality of the concerns raised by the article.
2017-01-04T06:51:48 < dongs> ^ xmos self-plug
2017-01-04T06:52:12 < dongs> However, if not, there"s a detailed guide, by Henk Muller of XMOS, on the fundamentals of USB audio.
2017-01-04T06:52:40 < zyp> haha
2017-01-04T06:53:49 < emeb_mac> and there's your first mistake - FPGA development is not software development.
2017-01-04T06:53:55 < dongs> my usb audio is more asynchronous than yours
2017-01-04T06:55:09 < emeb_mac> :) there goes a flock now!
2017-01-04T06:55:24 < englishman> psoc creator is pretty cool
2017-01-04T06:55:36 < stvn> lol
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2017-01-04T07:03:31 < emeb_mac> See, this is what happens when the marketing departments at the FPGA vendors lie to their customers and tell them that FPGA development is just like software development.
2017-01-04T07:03:48 < stvn> nice
2017-01-04T07:03:51 < emeb_mac> some folks believe them and are horribly disillusioned.
2017-01-04T07:04:01 < stvn> more fun that way
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2017-01-04T07:04:30 < dongs> for those, they  created that bullshit fpga that runs lunix
2017-01-04T07:04:44 < dongs> forgot what hte name of it is
2017-01-04T07:05:33 < stvn> cumrod1000
2017-01-04T07:06:02 < emeb_mac> bullshit
2017-01-04T07:06:10 < ka6sox> BS
2017-01-04T07:06:35 < emeb_mac> just because you were forced to work in an environment where the system was poorly designed doesn't mean that good design is impossible.
2017-01-04T07:07:03 < emeb_mac> abstraction, modularity, reuse are all possible
2017-01-04T07:08:20 < emeb_mac> And yet, people have managed to be productive with them. Hmmm... what does that say about those who complain?
2017-01-04T07:08:40 < dongs> the old thing, if everyone you meet is an asshole
2017-01-04T07:09:53 < dongs> ok dfu stuff written now to figure out which dumb CRC algo they use
2017-01-04T07:10:09 < englishman> is this still your stmflasher
2017-01-04T07:10:12 < dongs> The dwCRC (Cyclic Redundancy Check) field is the CRC calculated over the whole file
2017-01-04T07:10:15 < dongs> except for the dwCRC data itself.
2017-01-04T07:10:17 < dongs> how the shit do you do this?
2017-01-04T07:10:25 < dongs> skip that byte when calculating?
2017-01-04T07:10:32 < dongs> er bytes
2017-01-04T07:10:50 < dongs> englishman: no thats done, im making .dfu image without using that ST GUI tool cuz its so annoying
2017-01-04T07:11:01 < dongs> shittyflasher works great
2017-01-04T07:11:07 < dongs> sup R2com
2017-01-04T07:11:19 < englishman> Dakota Women's Correctional and Rehabilitation Center
2017-01-04T07:11:48 < englishman> isnt there already a st commandlin ttool with source
2017-01-04T07:12:14 < emeb_mac> dongs: does the opensores dfu_utils have that info?
2017-01-04T07:12:23 < dongs> emeb_mac: st's dfuse shit is opensores too
2017-01-04T07:12:31 < dongs> im digging through thier awful MFC code right now
2017-01-04T07:12:39 < emeb_mac> oh joy
2017-01-04T07:12:57 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/1Se6p456.html
2017-01-04T07:12:58 < dongs> well, okay
2017-01-04T07:13:27 < dongs> i guess since crc is last 4 bytes it literally means just not reading them
2017-01-04T07:14:02 < dongs> heh also the way ST's dfu maker works , once you start making a file, it will overwrite any existing ones with same name
2017-01-04T07:14:06 < dongs> before you evne do final ok/save
2017-01-04T07:14:29 < dongs> if you abort it early you end up with a short .dfu with just prefix/target and no image sections/suffix
2017-01-04T07:15:09 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/akWgNV89.html
2017-01-04T07:15:15 < dongs> should i care what this is or just copypaste it
2017-01-04T07:15:33 < dongs> ah it is jut good ol' crc32
2017-01-04T07:15:36 < dongs> fuckit, copypaste it is
2017-01-04T07:23:57 < stvn> fingerbang it
2017-01-04T07:35:20 < dongs> File correctly loaded
2017-01-04T07:35:20 < dongs> nice
2017-01-04T07:35:37 < dongs> as shitty the ST thing is, it checked everything before it didnt fail loading.
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2017-01-04T07:43:12 < stvn> o,
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2017-01-04T07:50:49 < Spirit532> so the time has come
2017-01-04T07:51:09 < Spirit532> I need a smart person who will write a bit of ugly code for me for under $100
2017-01-04T07:51:26 < Spirit532> and more importantly, the person has to not have suicidal or homicidal tendencies
2017-01-04T07:51:43 < Spirit532> I do not want to be responsible for a mental breakdown because of the awfulness of documentation and code
2017-01-04T07:51:44 < jpa-> must be smart and work for peanuts
2017-01-04T07:51:54 < stvn> lollllllllllllllllll\\
2017-01-04T07:52:24 < Spirit532> pretty much everything runs
2017-01-04T07:52:26 < jpa-> as if $100 wasn't cheap enough, it must even be "under $100"
2017-01-04T07:52:26 < dongs> quick, outsource to o6
2017-01-04T07:52:32 < Spirit532> but I need to talk to the sensor
2017-01-04T07:52:35 < stvn> if you demonstrate some effort i think you'll find someone here will assist you
2017-01-04T07:52:36 < Spirit532> or, rather
2017-01-04T07:52:39 < Spirit532> not talk to it
2017-01-04T07:52:44 < Spirit532> that's already done(ish)
2017-01-04T07:52:55 < Spirit532> the only two things left is receiving the data via DMA
2017-01-04T07:53:04 < Spirit532> and actually making sense of that data
2017-01-04T07:53:11 < Spirit532> (datasheet and awful example code included)
2017-01-04T07:53:36 < stvn> ill do it for $5000aud
2017-01-04T07:53:46 < Spirit532> LeelooMinai, I'd like to stay sane, thx
2017-01-04T07:53:51 < dongs> im not gonna do shit without hardware
2017-01-04T07:54:03 < Spirit532> you can play with the hardware in realtime
2017-01-04T07:54:09 < dongs> hwoever i'm not gonna be waiting for snailmail from .by either
2017-01-04T07:54:11 < Spirit532> debug
2017-01-04T07:54:42 < englishman> il put your request on fiverr for $100
2017-01-04T07:54:45 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T07:54:53 < dongs> lolz
2017-01-04T07:54:57 < dongs> thats a good idea
2017-01-04T07:54:58 < Spirit532> don't act like you're all holy here
2017-01-04T07:55:06 < stvn> thats what i was going to do
2017-01-04T07:55:41 < englishman> is it at least stm32
2017-01-04T07:55:47 < Spirit532> stm32f411
2017-01-04T07:55:55 < Spirit532> sensor sends data via SPI
2017-01-04T07:55:58 < englishman> does it use nonfree tools
2017-01-04T07:56:10 < Spirit532> I use Keil
2017-01-04T07:56:11 < Spirit532> D:
2017-01-04T07:56:14 < Spirit532> but I *borrowed* it
2017-01-04T07:56:17 < englishman> so far so good.
2017-01-04T07:56:24 < dongs> onscreen crosshair
2017-01-04T07:56:34 < dongs> are you using HAL
2017-01-04T07:56:34 < Spirit532> I use a few libraries
2017-01-04T07:56:36 < Spirit532> no
2017-01-04T07:56:37 < jpa-> "i scammed keil out of their money, now i am trying to scam you"
2017-01-04T07:56:37 < Spirit532> no hal
2017-01-04T07:56:43 < Spirit532> SPL
2017-01-04T07:56:43 < englishman> why does a 1440p monitor cost $700
2017-01-04T07:56:46 < stvn> lol jpa- 
2017-01-04T07:56:53 < dongs> cuz gamer trash
2017-01-04T07:57:03 < Spirit532> I can't afford keil
2017-01-04T07:57:07 < Spirit532> or, well
2017-01-04T07:57:13 < dongs> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=144Hz
2017-01-04T07:57:18 < Spirit532> I can, but can't justify spending a few thousand on something I'll only use a few times
2017-01-04T07:57:26 < dongs> 144Hz = 6.944ms
2017-01-04T07:57:36 < dongs> yes
2017-01-04T07:57:45 < dongs> dixel related
2017-01-04T07:57:47 < Spirit532> LeelooMinai, it's point&click
2017-01-04T07:57:50 < Spirit532> just looks and debugger
2017-01-04T07:57:53 < stvn> get a republic of goyims monitor
2017-01-04T07:58:00 < jpa-> Spirit532: what will happen after the few times? you'll stop doing stm32?
2017-01-04T07:58:12 < Spirit532> jpa-, I don't do STM32 for a living
2017-01-04T07:58:15 < Spirit532> or... almost at all
2017-01-04T07:58:33 < Spirit532> either way
2017-01-04T07:58:57 < Spirit532> it's receiving and interpreting the sensor data is what I need 
2017-01-04T07:59:08 < Spirit532> by interpret I mean just create a 160x120 image
2017-01-04T07:59:43 < jpa-> some flir sensor?
2017-01-04T07:59:49 < dongs> lepton v3 appareantly
2017-01-04T08:00:16 < dongs> http://images10.newegg.com/BizIntell/item/24/009/24-009-769/2.jpg
2017-01-04T08:00:42 < Spirit532> jpa-, flir lepton v3
2017-01-04T08:00:44 < Spirit532> 160x120
2017-01-04T08:00:47 < Spirit532> ~8.5Hz
2017-01-04T08:00:48 < Spirit532> ish
2017-01-04T08:00:55 < jpa-> nice
2017-01-04T08:01:06 < Spirit532> (clock wants 25MHz, running at 24, but still wihin spec)
2017-01-04T08:03:55 < dongs> looks fucking gay and not 4k
2017-01-04T08:04:00 < dongs> so its a waste of money as far as im concerned
2017-01-04T08:04:01 < dongs> ^_^
2017-01-04T08:04:28 < Spirit532> so, anyone wants to take a look at the project?
2017-01-04T08:04:52 < englishman> it doesnt have gamer in the product name, so its $200 less than the asus
2017-01-04T08:05:04 < englishman> despite identical specs
2017-01-04T08:05:08 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epYGN7XyqiM
2017-01-04T08:05:12 < Spirit532> here's a 60Hz monitor updating
2017-01-04T08:06:03 < dongs> R2COM: i think its called motion blur, the game does it for you
2017-01-04T08:06:09 < dongs> some shitty shader thing.
2017-01-04T08:06:30 < Spirit532> LeelooMinai, I'd rather have a bird of prey than a bird of pray
2017-01-04T08:06:31 < Spirit532> D:
2017-01-04T08:06:59 < zyp> haha
2017-01-04T08:08:09 < Spirit532> the thing you meant by saying bird of pray.
2017-01-04T08:08:11 < Spirit532> lol.
2017-01-04T08:08:59 < Spirit532> nu
2017-01-04T08:09:09 < Spirit532> you're important
2017-01-04T08:09:27 < Spirit532> a bird of pray is not a common phenomenon
2017-01-04T08:09:33 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T08:09:40 < dongs> Spirit532: did you know? More than half the channel has LeelooMinai (also know as LeeLooMan) on ignore, to avoid autism
2017-01-04T08:09:41 < stvn> prey?
2017-01-04T08:09:47 < dongs> R2COM: 24hz
2017-01-04T08:10:00 < Spirit532> dongs, but she's a girl
2017-01-04T08:10:02 < dongs> there are no movies > 24hz anyway.
2017-01-04T08:10:07 < dongs> Spirit532: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
2017-01-04T08:10:12 < dongs> (no0)
2017-01-04T08:10:15 < Spirit532> I saw her selfie once
2017-01-04T08:10:34 < Spirit532> but now, back to the topic
2017-01-04T08:10:34 < dongs> Spirit532: http://pbx.mine.nu/random/jasabeLOL3.jpg is this a girl
2017-01-04T08:10:36 < Spirit532> halp pls
2017-01-04T08:11:36 < stvn> ah
2017-01-04T08:13:24 < Spirit532> 4K60 monitors are expensive
2017-01-04T08:13:31 < Spirit532> because it's a lot of data
2017-01-04T08:13:32 < dongs> R2COM: your eyes cant even see anything > like 30hz
2017-01-04T08:13:32 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T08:13:36 < upgrdman> no they arent
2017-01-04T08:13:42 < Spirit532> lol wut
2017-01-04T08:13:42 < dongs> think of all the led displays with scanning and persistence of vision
2017-01-04T08:13:46 < Spirit532> wut
2017-01-04T08:13:46 < upgrdman> 4k60 ips is <$500
2017-01-04T08:13:51 < dongs> ^
2017-01-04T08:13:56 < Spirit532> your eyes can see much more than 30
2017-01-04T08:14:04 < upgrdman> 4k60 tn is <$300
2017-01-04T08:14:08 < Spirit532> try playing a modern FPS @ 60hz
2017-01-04T08:14:10 < Spirit532> and then at 144Hz
2017-01-04T08:14:51 < Spirit532> but still
2017-01-04T08:14:58 < Spirit532> I need paid help D:
2017-01-04T08:15:23 < dongs> Spirit532: you dint answer my qustion
2017-01-04T08:15:28 < Spirit532> it may be
2017-01-04T08:15:30 < dongs> Spirit532: also, i could just copypaste all the dma lines you need
2017-01-04T08:15:33 < Spirit532> you never know
2017-01-04T08:15:49 < Spirit532> you can copypaste dma
2017-01-04T08:15:57 < Spirit532> >micropython
2017-01-04T08:16:02 < Spirit532> I'm not into BDSM
2017-01-04T08:16:04 < Spirit532> sorry
2017-01-04T08:17:10 < dongs> Spirit532: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Cci6qI19.html adjust as needed
2017-01-04T08:17:18 < Spirit532> seriosly
2017-01-04T08:17:22 < Spirit532> I don't need just raw dma init
2017-01-04T08:17:29 < Spirit532> I know how to do that
2017-01-04T08:17:56 < Spirit532> that's HAL
2017-01-04T08:17:57 < dongs> then why isnt it working, genius
2017-01-04T08:17:59 < Spirit532> I HAVE SPI
2017-01-04T08:18:04 < Spirit532> I need to TALK TO THE SENSOR
2017-01-04T08:18:08 < dongs> no its not, its fucking stdperiphlib
2017-01-04T08:18:08 < Spirit532> parse the data
2017-01-04T08:18:10 < Spirit532> I suck at it
2017-01-04T08:18:13 < Spirit532> dongs, no
2017-01-04T08:18:16 < Spirit532> they switched to HAL
2017-01-04T08:18:20 < jpa-> try listening more and talking less
2017-01-04T08:18:22 < Spirit532> cube is strictly HAL now
2017-01-04T08:18:26 < jpa-> applies both to sensor and to this channel
2017-01-04T08:18:41 < Spirit532> I can get DMA working
2017-01-04T08:18:41 < dongs> i wrote it you cocksucker, so I know its not hal lloll.
2017-01-04T08:18:51 < Spirit532> lol wat
2017-01-04T08:18:54 < stvn> rofl
2017-01-04T08:19:02 < dongs>  < dongs> Spirit532: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Cci6qI19.html adjust as needed
2017-01-04T08:19:04 < dongs> < Spirit532> that's HAL
2017-01-04T08:19:08 < Spirit532> no
2017-01-04T08:19:08 < dongs> no it fucking isnt
2017-01-04T08:19:12 < Spirit532> that was in reference to cube
2017-01-04T08:19:14 < Spirit532> learn to read
2017-01-04T08:19:19 < dongs> i didnt mention anything about cube
2017-01-04T08:19:35 < Spirit532> I was talking to leeloo
2017-01-04T08:19:39 < stvn> .
2017-01-04T08:19:40  * Spirit532 joins the lols
2017-01-04T08:19:47 < dongs> I have it on ignore, just like I suggested you to do earlier.
2017-01-04T08:19:50 < stvn> too far gone.
2017-01-04T08:20:06 < Spirit532> but yeah
2017-01-04T08:20:09 < Spirit532> cube is hal
2017-01-04T08:20:14 < Spirit532> but it's not my problem
2017-01-04T08:20:18 < Spirit532> I can get SPI working(ish)
2017-01-04T08:20:25 < Spirit532> the rest is the problem
2017-01-04T08:20:45 < Spirit532> receiving the data after sending 0x01 via MISO
2017-01-04T08:21:01 < Spirit532> I stop at reading 164 bytes
2017-01-04T08:21:22 < ohsix> nice: 20:22 < zyp> no, shit's emulating a memory card reader that's used to save scores
2017-01-04T08:21:38 < Spirit532> never
2017-01-04T08:21:48 < dongs> do you know HOW spi works
2017-01-04T08:21:53 < Spirit532> yes
2017-01-04T08:21:53 < dongs> when you read, you also write
2017-01-04T08:22:00 < Spirit532> yes
2017-01-04T08:22:03 < Spirit532> that's the 0x01
2017-01-04T08:22:16 < Spirit532> it's single-ended though
2017-01-04T08:22:16 < dongs> 164 bytes is less than 160*120
2017-01-04T08:22:21 < Spirit532> ... yes?
2017-01-04T08:22:29 < Spirit532> since when anything sent the whole data over?
2017-01-04T08:22:29 < dongs> so you suck at reading
2017-01-04T08:22:31 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T08:22:37 < Spirit532> it's 164 byte packets
2017-01-04T08:22:42 < Spirit532> and that's where I'm stuck
2017-01-04T08:22:55 < Spirit532> because I either suck at reading datasheets or bit juggling
2017-01-04T08:23:20 < zyp> do you have a datasheet for this protocol?
2017-01-04T08:23:21 < dongs> https://www.arduino.cc/en/Reference/bitRead
2017-01-04T08:23:47 < Spirit532> zyp, yes
2017-01-04T08:23:48 < ohsix> there's an arcade a pal owns that has a tempest machine, they're keeping scores manually on an ipad score board; the save game chip looks ez to interpose to wifi it or generally get it out for real scores
2017-01-04T08:23:49 < Spirit532> I also have examples
2017-01-04T08:23:59 < Spirit532> I just need someone to juggle the code into something working
2017-01-04T08:24:18 < zyp> Spirit532, gimme the datasheet, I'll take a look
2017-01-04T08:24:22 < stvn> i put in my offer
2017-01-04T08:24:57 < Spirit532> zyp, https://i.spirit.re/Z47cm.pdf
2017-01-04T08:25:02 < Spirit532> there's also "example" code
2017-01-04T08:25:05 < Spirit532> from another project
2017-01-04T08:25:09 < Spirit532> but it's in... arduino
2017-01-04T08:25:10  * Spirit532 shudders
2017-01-04T08:25:25 < Spirit532> I get the sensor to shit data out
2017-01-04T08:25:35 < Spirit532> it inits, runs, I see bits jumping around on the scope
2017-01-04T08:25:39 < Spirit532> so that's ok
2017-01-04T08:25:45 < dongs> i would probly start with RGB888 output
2017-01-04T08:25:50 < Spirit532> nope
2017-01-04T08:25:53 < Spirit532> I need raw14
2017-01-04T08:25:54 < dongs> because ytoure not gonna figure out how to transofmr raw shit into something readable
2017-01-04T08:25:57 < dongs> "need"?
2017-01-04T08:25:58 < Spirit532> for radiometry
2017-01-04T08:26:03 < Spirit532> (measuring temps)
2017-01-04T08:26:25 < Spirit532> not this one
2017-01-04T08:26:52 < Spirit532> this one doesn't need an fpga, really
2017-01-04T08:27:28 < dongs> so this shit uses 3wire spi?
2017-01-04T08:27:33 < Spirit532> 2
2017-01-04T08:27:34 < ohsix> that async usb junk ... it doesn't have to be real, you can use it as a way tos ay all these other things are shit, this isn't a normal market or some sort of objective thing (even if it could be)
2017-01-04T08:27:39 < dongs> ...
2017-01-04T08:27:44 < Spirit532> clock, MISO
2017-01-04T08:27:51 < Spirit532> MOSI can be just left floating 
2017-01-04T08:28:03 < Spirit532> mine is tied to the MOSI just for the sake of completeness
2017-01-04T08:28:08 < Spirit532> but it doesn't do anything
2017-01-04T08:28:18 < Spirit532> control is over an "I2C-like" interface
2017-01-04T08:28:21 < Spirit532> (I2C really)
2017-01-04T08:28:32 < dongs> oh so you never acutalyl fucking SEND anything over RSPI
2017-01-04T08:28:35 < dongs> over SPI
2017-01-04T08:28:38 < dongs> you just receive it all the time.
2017-01-04T08:28:41 < Spirit532> yes
2017-01-04T08:28:44 < dongs> man and you cant figure out how to do this?
2017-01-04T08:28:53 < Spirit532> parsing the data and proper DMA RX
2017-01-04T08:28:57 < Spirit532> I'm a complete stm32 noob
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2017-01-04T08:29:38 < dongs> i wonder if in this receive only thing you can place periperhal into 3 wire spi mode and only run RX dma
2017-01-04T08:29:48 < dongs> would save setting up rx/tx
2017-01-04T08:29:51 < Spirit532> why 3?
2017-01-04T08:30:00 < Spirit532> just look at the datasheet
2017-01-04T08:30:02 < zyp> chip select
2017-01-04T08:30:02 < dongs> because that is hte mode in the picture in the fucking datasheet
2017-01-04T08:30:04 < Spirit532> right
2017-01-04T08:30:14 < dongs> as opposed to normal 4 wire spi
2017-01-04T08:30:17 < Spirit532> well, CS is just tied permanently
2017-01-04T08:30:21 < Spirit532> it's the only device
2017-01-04T08:30:24 < dongs> ... what
2017-01-04T08:30:43 < Spirit532> it's the only device
2017-01-04T08:30:46 < dongs> and?
2017-01-04T08:30:53 < stvn> lol
2017-01-04T08:30:59 < Spirit532> ah, derp
2017-01-04T08:31:01 < Spirit532> mixed it up
2017-01-04T08:31:05 < Spirit532> the display's CS is tied down
2017-01-04T08:31:14 < dongs> 9.2.2.3.1Establishing/Re-Establishing Sync
2017-01-04T08:31:14 < dongs> The basic process for establishing synchronization is listed below:
2017-01-04T08:31:14 < dongs> ■ Deassert /CS and idle SCK for at least 5 frame periods (>185 msec). This step ensures a timeout of
2017-01-04T08:31:17 < dongs> the VoSPI interface, which puts the Lepton 3 in the proper state to establish (or re-establish)
2017-01-04T08:31:19 < Spirit532> yeah
2017-01-04T08:31:20 < Spirit532> yeah
2017-01-04T08:31:21 < dongs> synchronization.
2017-01-04T08:31:23 < dongs> ■ Assert /CS and enable SCLK. This action causes the Lepton 3 to start transmission of a first packet
2017-01-04T08:31:27 < Spirit532> I mixed it with another device
2017-01-04T08:31:32 < dongs> display's CS tied down is absolutely retarded too
2017-01-04T08:31:37 < Spirit532> nah
2017-01-04T08:31:44 < dongs> I've written a driver for ILI9341 and there's no fuckign way you can drive it with CS always low
2017-01-04T08:31:44 < Spirit532> it has reset and D/C(WRX)
2017-01-04T08:31:44 < stvn> this is fucking 10/10
2017-01-04T08:31:56 < Spirit532> dongs, suck it up then
2017-01-04T08:32:02 < Spirit532> I have it filling right now
2017-01-04T08:32:13 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/x7drG.png
2017-01-04T08:32:19 < Spirit532> look at that
2017-01-04T08:32:22 < Spirit532> holy shit, you're wrong
2017-01-04T08:32:28 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T08:33:11 < englishman> is that diptrace
2017-01-04T08:33:16 < Spirit532> englishman, kicad
2017-01-04T08:33:23 < englishman> why would you do that to your cs line
2017-01-04T08:33:32 < Spirit532> because it's the only device there
2017-01-04T08:33:34 < dongs> CSX: Chip select input pin (“Low” enable). This pin can be permanently fixed “Low” in MPU interface mode only.
2017-01-04T08:33:37 < Spirit532> and it always needs to be on
2017-01-04T08:33:38 < dongs> * note1,2
2017-01-04T08:33:59 < englishman> at least 0R and testpad if you fuck up or want to change out display later
2017-01-04T08:34:00 < Spirit532> kiss my ass and call me shirley, but I have it tied down and it works
2017-01-04T08:34:29 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T08:34:38 < ohsix> Spirit532: 100$ doesn't even cover reading the documentation
2017-01-04T08:34:55 < dongs> Any instruction can be sent in any order to ILI9341 and the MSB is transmitted first. The serial interface is
2017-01-04T08:34:58 < dongs> initialized when CSX is high status
2017-01-04T08:35:03 < dongs> >>initialized<<
2017-01-04T08:35:04 < Spirit532> ohsix, if you charge $300/hr, die
2017-01-04T08:35:22 < zyp> who the fuck cares about the display when it's the sensor that doesn't work
2017-01-04T08:35:25 < Spirit532> ^
2017-01-04T08:35:38 < ohsix> Spirit532: lul you must severely undervalue your own work
2017-01-04T08:35:43 < dongs> zyp, with the way he's rolling, I'm surprised anything works at all
2017-01-04T08:35:52 < zyp> dongs, also true
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2017-01-04T08:36:10 < ohsix> zyp: have pulseview? would you mind looking at something
2017-01-04T08:36:16 < zyp> Spirit532, so anyway, do you have the sensor CS hooked up or not?
2017-01-04T08:36:21 < Spirit532> yup
2017-01-04T08:36:30 < zyp> ohsix, why?
2017-01-04T08:36:44 < ohsix> zyp: cuz i have no idea what it is and a wizard could give me pointers
2017-01-04T08:36:47 < Spirit532> I use it
2017-01-04T08:37:01 < ohsix> there's a bus pirate in the lab but i only remembered after i left, so i can't just poke it
2017-01-04T08:37:05 < Spirit532> I go through the whole initialisation thing
2017-01-04T08:37:09 < Spirit532> sensor starts up
2017-01-04T08:37:39 < Spirit532> it starts spitting data out, and that's what I want to hire someone for
2017-01-04T08:37:47 < ohsix> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qxr1cr3nu9waspr/alldatapins-smaller.sr?dl=0
2017-01-04T08:38:08 < ohsix> d0 is an analog signal just there for reference, the data is close to what i get but not useful
2017-01-04T08:38:35 < dongs> you need to read it at minimum of 8.something mhz.
2017-01-04T08:38:47 < ohsix> there are two unidentified pins on the head that look like they migh tbe i2c
2017-01-04T08:38:48 < Spirit532> LeelooMinai, it was before the datasheets leaks and release
2017-01-04T08:38:50 < Spirit532> dongs, 24
2017-01-04T08:38:56 < Spirit532> within spec
2017-01-04T08:39:01 < ohsix> (they aren't in that .sr)
2017-01-04T08:39:14 < Spirit532> again, I just need the data parsing
2017-01-04T08:39:18 < zyp> heh, pulseview is segfaulting
2017-01-04T08:39:20 < Spirit532> from SPI working to 160x120 image
2017-01-04T08:39:24 < Spirit532> just in ram
2017-01-04T08:39:25 < zyp> not in the mood for messing around with that now
2017-01-04T08:39:32 < ohsix> k, thanks anyways
2017-01-04T08:39:48 < ohsix> don't have time to look myself much for the next few days; was hoping for stuff to follow up on
2017-01-04T08:40:15 < zyp> oh, wait, wrong copy
2017-01-04T08:40:48 < ohsix> i'm using ~master, ui changed recently, .sr may have too
2017-01-04T08:40:49 < dongs> wtf is pulseview
2017-01-04T08:40:50 < ohsix> the format
2017-01-04T08:40:57 < dongs> is that for showing async usb audio packets
2017-01-04T08:40:58 < zyp> dongs, sigrok
2017-01-04T08:41:29 < zyp> dongs, ohsix wants me to look at something, I'm trying to figure out what I'm looking at
2017-01-04T08:41:37 < zyp> ohsix, so what am I looking at?
2017-01-04T08:42:15 < ohsix> zyp: i dunno! d2 looks like a clock, dunno what d1 is, d0 is scanout of something triggered by d1
2017-01-04T08:42:21 < ohsix> if not triggered, related to it
2017-01-04T08:42:24 < zyp> and where is it from?
2017-01-04T08:42:53 < ohsix> from a line sensor of unknown make or origin huhu
2017-01-04T08:43:02 < dongs> zyp, if you're ever out of 'pro' things to look at, i've always got them
2017-01-04T08:43:20 < ohsix> the clock is 2.95~->3mhz
2017-01-04T08:43:20 < dongs> still got that fpga crypto thing jpa- was too busy for :p
2017-01-04T08:43:38 < ohsix> zyp: for all i know you can't figure it out from that info, need to find out how to get the other pins
2017-01-04T08:43:41 < Spirit532> LeelooMinai, do I?
2017-01-04T08:43:43 < Spirit532> I don't really know
2017-01-04T08:43:44 < Spirit532> it runs fine
2017-01-04T08:43:50 < Spirit532> clock runs, I get bits in the firmware
2017-01-04T08:44:00 < Spirit532> just tested with the sensor
2017-01-04T08:44:03 < Spirit532> everything is fine
2017-01-04T08:44:11 < Spirit532> dongs freaking out about something
2017-01-04T08:44:12 < jpa-> dongs: i'd probably be solving Spirit532's spi in exchange for a free lepton module if i had the time :P
2017-01-04T08:44:24 < ohsix> a lepton module might be worth it
2017-01-04T08:44:25 < Spirit532> jpa-, they're $280 and I can't get another one
2017-01-04T08:44:26 < dongs> lol
2017-01-04T08:44:33 < Spirit532> plus, it'll be cheaper for YOU to get one
2017-01-04T08:44:34 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T08:44:43 < Spirit532> just buy a FLIR ONE on sale and lift it out of the socket
2017-01-04T08:44:56 < dongs> i think its a pretty reasonable payment for getting his shit code working
2017-01-04T08:44:57 < Spirit532> LeelooMinai, I have no idea how to do it properly
2017-01-04T08:44:58 < ohsix> mikeselectricstuff has already figured out the protocol
2017-01-04T08:45:04 < dongs> sensor->code swap
2017-01-04T08:45:05 < Spirit532> ohsix, or you can look at the datasheet
2017-01-04T08:45:06 < Spirit532> lmao
2017-01-04T08:45:13 < Spirit532> it's public now!
2017-01-04T08:45:14 < Spirit532> even the v3
2017-01-04T08:45:18 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-04T08:45:26 < jpa-> dongs: it also has the benefit that if one waits for the hardware before doing the work, atleast avoids getting scammed like keil :P
2017-01-04T08:45:26 < Spirit532> I just need someone to write the interface code
2017-01-04T08:45:59 < dongs> meanwhile my jewish ThermApp absolutely rapes anything FLIR has ever put out
2017-01-04T08:45:59 < Spirit532> I just need it in memory
2017-01-04T08:46:01 < Spirit532> the rest I can handle
2017-01-04T08:46:08 < Spirit532> dongs, they use ULIS sensors
2017-01-04T08:46:12 < Spirit532> it will never be cheaper than FLIR
2017-01-04T08:46:15 < Spirit532> or higher quality
2017-01-04T08:46:16 < dongs> wat
2017-01-04T08:46:25 < Spirit532> LeelooMinai, I can get bits
2017-01-04T08:46:25 < dongs> it is 1) cheaper than flir 2) higher quality already
2017-01-04T08:46:28 < dongs> the fuck are you talkin about
2017-01-04T08:46:29 < Spirit532> I see there's data
2017-01-04T08:46:32 < Spirit532> dongs, which one?
2017-01-04T08:46:37 < dongs> any thermapp
2017-01-04T08:46:46 < Spirit532> the ThermApp has a tiny lens and only a 384x288 sensor
2017-01-04T08:46:55 < Spirit532> yes
2017-01-04T08:46:56 < dongs> yes, please show me a flir with that for < $5k
2017-01-04T08:46:59 < Spirit532> and I need help making it work
2017-01-04T08:47:06 < Spirit532> dongs, FLIR E4
2017-01-04T08:47:16 < Spirit532> with a bit of fun firmware tweaking
2017-01-04T08:47:17 < dongs> Spirit532: e4 is absolute garbage compared to thermapp, I have both
2017-01-04T08:47:23 < Spirit532> alright then
2017-01-04T08:47:26 < Spirit532> but have you hacked it?
2017-01-04T08:47:27 < Spirit532> to E8
2017-01-04T08:47:35 < dongs> obviously
2017-01-04T08:47:38 < englishman> has anyone *not* flashed it
2017-01-04T08:47:43 < Spirit532> okay I guess
2017-01-04T08:47:49 < Spirit532> englishman, I think the last revs don't allow that
2017-01-04T08:47:49 < Spirit532> at all
2017-01-04T08:47:53 < Spirit532> patched 
2017-01-04T08:47:53 < englishman> incorrect
2017-01-04T08:47:59 < Spirit532> huh
2017-01-04T08:48:06 < Spirit532> they did break the last versions too?
2017-01-04T08:48:07 < Spirit532> cool
2017-01-04T08:48:26 < Spirit532> but also, dongs 
2017-01-04T08:48:35 < Spirit532> the Thermal Expert destroys thermapp :D
2017-01-04T08:48:46 < Spirit532> they have their own absurdly oversized microbolometer sensor
2017-01-04T08:48:54 < Spirit532> though fully potted up to the glass :(
2017-01-04T08:49:12 < Spirit532> $800ish something for 384x288, around $3000 for 640x480 @ 30hz
2017-01-04T08:49:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/bOywts3.jpg flir http://i.imgur.com/LE8iR8G.jpg thermapp
2017-01-04T08:49:45 < jpa-> flir colors are fancier
2017-01-04T08:50:03 < dongs> jpa, i can choose same ones on the other one too
2017-01-04T08:50:27 < englishman> i clickd "buy now" on thermal expert page and it sent me to a maze of pages with no prices
2017-01-04T08:50:32 < englishman> unable to buy now
2017-01-04T08:50:40 < zyp> thermapp font looks retarded
2017-01-04T08:51:00 < dongs> zyp, thats my system font
2017-01-04T08:51:00 < englishman> wtf is this
2017-01-04T08:51:03 < englishman> rfq only?
2017-01-04T08:51:05 < englishman> where is the webshop
2017-01-04T08:51:07 < Spirit532> dongs, 
2017-01-04T08:51:07 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O39HO7lH_qw
2017-01-04T08:51:08 < Spirit532> :)
2017-01-04T08:51:10 < Spirit532> buy that instead
2017-01-04T08:51:18 < zyp> dongs, well, then your system font looks retarded
2017-01-04T08:51:20 < dongs> Spirit532: yes, im capable of browsing thier website
2017-01-04T08:51:20 < Spirit532> you need to talk to them directly via email
2017-01-04T08:51:23 < Spirit532> they send personalised quotes
2017-01-04T08:51:27 < englishman> http://www.i3-thermalexpert.com/buy-now/
2017-01-04T08:51:28 < englishman> lol yeah
2017-01-04T08:51:33 < englishman> looks legit
2017-01-04T08:51:42 < Spirit532> a bunch of guys on the eevblog forum bought and got theirs
2017-01-04T08:51:50 < englishman> good for the blogges
2017-01-04T08:51:53 < dongs> hey ht ey're gooks
2017-01-04T08:51:58 < dongs> ill ask my pal to go bum around thier office
2017-01-04T08:52:04 < dongs> with a thermapp
2017-01-04T08:52:05 < englishman> why do i have to ask permission to buy their shit
2017-01-04T08:52:15 < Spirit532> LeelooMinai, wut?
2017-01-04T08:52:29 < Spirit532> huh
2017-01-04T08:52:35 < Spirit532> it's under $800 for 384x288
2017-01-04T08:52:51 < Spirit532> $3000 for 640x480
2017-01-04T08:52:52 < jpa-> englishman: because ISIS dudes can't fake applications, so that stops from terrorists getting night vision
2017-01-04T08:53:08 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ighMWnlvjD8
2017-01-04T08:53:11 < englishman> jpa-: not really, when they can buy using paypal from nearby israeli thermapp
2017-01-04T08:53:13 < Spirit532> my god the level of detail
2017-01-04T08:53:14 < Spirit532> it's porn
2017-01-04T08:55:07 < dongs> why the shit is it liek 3fps
2017-01-04T08:55:07 < Spirit532> it's still amazing res
2017-01-04T08:55:14 < Spirit532> dongs, phone dongle
2017-01-04T08:55:18 < Spirit532> (yes, that's a PHONE DONGLE)
2017-01-04T08:55:27 < Spirit532> it's faster on PC
2017-01-04T08:55:29 < dongs> ? how does that matter in the slightest
2017-01-04T08:55:34 < dongs> why woudl it be faster on PC
2017-01-04T08:55:38 < dongs> USB webcams existed for decade+
2017-01-04T08:55:39 < Spirit532> y'know
2017-01-04T08:55:43 < dongs> outputting 30fps
2017-01-04T08:55:46 < Spirit532> streaming VGA to a phone
2017-01-04T08:55:47 < Spirit532> with OTG
2017-01-04T08:55:55 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-04T08:55:57 < dongs> yeah? is not different than streaming VGA at 2fps to a phone
2017-01-04T08:55:58 < dongs> with OTG
2017-01-04T08:56:00 < englishman> and thats what they put as a showcase video
2017-01-04T08:56:12 < ohsix> you know thermal sensors are itar regulated, that's why the framerates are shit, also low sensitivity
2017-01-04T08:56:21 < Spirit532> they're korean
2017-01-04T08:56:25 < ohsix> when you have a shit thermal sensor you need longer frames to average out the noise
2017-01-04T08:56:27 < Spirit532> they can't give a fuck about itar
2017-01-04T08:56:27 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T08:56:32 < englishman> thankfully neither thermapp nor thermalidiots are located in usa
2017-01-04T08:56:34 < Spirit532> nor do they care about wassenaar
2017-01-04T08:56:35 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T08:56:38 < englishman> the only place where itar mattes
2017-01-04T08:56:51 < ohsix> .
2017-01-04T08:57:00 < ohsix> who are they going to sell to?
2017-01-04T08:57:08 < Spirit532> ... everyone?
2017-01-04T08:57:13 < englishman> you know there are literally billions of people outside the usa right
2017-01-04T08:57:18 < Spirit532> ITAR and wassenaar are only applicable to exports
2017-01-04T08:57:19 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T08:57:22 < Spirit532> you can buy IN
2017-01-04T08:57:24 < Spirit532> can't sell OUT
2017-01-04T08:57:44 < ohsix> nope
2017-01-04T08:57:54 < Spirit532> yup
2017-01-04T08:57:57 < Spirit532> bite my ass, I've done it
2017-01-04T08:58:30 < Spirit532> anyway, back to my thing
2017-01-04T08:58:36 < ohsix> nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope
2017-01-04T08:58:38 < englishman> some of them can even code c for stm32 unlike some examples in this chan
2017-01-04T08:59:59 < ohsix> that's a good use of a definite article
2017-01-04T09:00:21 < Spirit532> ohsix, you can go be an elitist asshole somewhere else
2017-01-04T09:00:27 < ohsix> really? where
2017-01-04T09:00:32 < Spirit532> in your grave
2017-01-04T09:00:47 < Spirit532> hah
2017-01-04T09:01:25 < ohsix> trying to find out where i signaled eliteness
2017-01-04T09:01:36 < ohsix> don't have perspective of a cretin because of aforementioned eliteness
2017-01-04T09:01:44 -!- ohsix [ohsix@67.204.153.38] has left ##stm32 ["shit is dumb"]
2017-01-04T09:01:59 < Spirit532> cool
2017-01-04T09:02:01 < Spirit532> he left
2017-01-04T09:02:03 < Spirit532> good riddance
2017-01-04T09:02:34 < Spirit532> and now really back to my thing
2017-01-04T09:02:41  * Spirit532 waves money
2017-01-04T09:02:44 < Spirit532> anyone?
2017-01-04T09:03:25 < Spirit532> lolno
2017-01-04T09:03:29 < Spirit532> I'll wave $1k at a professional
2017-01-04T09:04:58 < stvn> no ty
2017-01-04T09:05:18 < dongs> did Spirit532 just troll ohsix out of the channel
2017-01-04T09:05:23 < Spirit532> I sure hope so
2017-01-04T09:05:31 < dongs> sounds like i'm doing your lepton  code
2017-01-04T09:05:35 < Spirit532> cunts like him deserve to be alone
2017-01-04T09:05:36 < Spirit532> :>
2017-01-04T09:05:40 < dongs> * caveat: if you can keep him out
2017-01-04T09:05:45 < Spirit532> I will
2017-01-04T09:06:26 < Spirit532> I can PM anyone the horrible code I have
2017-01-04T09:06:32 < Spirit532> with absolutely improper tabulations
2017-01-04T09:06:35 < dongs> can you point the camera at your erect penis while i'm working on it
2017-01-04T09:06:41 < Spirit532> perhaps
2017-01-04T09:06:44 < dongs> deal
2017-01-04T09:06:48 < Spirit532> it'll just be a flat field though
2017-01-04T09:06:52 < Spirit532> OOOOOOOOOH
2017-01-04T09:07:18 < dongs> how do i rdp in and begin teledildonics
2017-01-04T09:07:31 < Spirit532> do you want tho
2017-01-04T09:07:51 < Spirit532> I think this is just a reading the datasheet and writing some code problem
2017-01-04T09:07:52 < dongs> on teh scale of 1 to lunix kernel, how bad is the code
2017-01-04T09:08:07 < Spirit532> ... leaded solder fumes
2017-01-04T09:08:22 < Spirit532> enough to give you diabeetus but not enough to drive you insane
2017-01-04T09:09:20 < stvn> hmmm
2017-01-04T09:09:44 < stvn> to drive ohsix away is quite an accomplishment
2017-01-04T09:09:47 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-04T09:09:54 < dongs> he';ll be back tho
2017-01-04T09:09:55 < dongs> thats hte problem
2017-01-04T09:10:15 < dongs> now if Spirit532 could get leelooman to leave too
2017-01-04T09:10:24 < Spirit532> quick! make my code work while ohsix is away
2017-01-04T09:11:52 < Spirit532> I can PM anyone the pack of everything I think you need
2017-01-04T09:15:14 < Spirit532> uploading the whole package
2017-01-04T09:15:17 < Spirit532> datashits, everything
2017-01-04T09:16:22 < Spirit532> yes
2017-01-04T09:16:35 < dongs> leelooman isnt gonna get your shit done
2017-01-04T09:16:36 < dongs> youre wasting time
2017-01-04T09:17:11 < Spirit532> are you?
2017-01-04T09:17:12 < Spirit532> :>
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2017-01-04T09:23:42 < Spirit532> so any people willing to take the task?
2017-01-04T09:23:52 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-04T09:24:08 < Spirit532> great!
2017-01-04T09:24:10 < Spirit532> where are they?
2017-01-04T09:24:22 < stvn> here
2017-01-04T09:24:31 < Spirit532> cool! 
2017-01-04T09:24:33 < Spirit532> who are they?
2017-01-04T09:25:07 < stvn> the stm32 king
2017-01-04T09:25:14 -!- ohsix [ohsix@67.204.153.38] has joined ##stm32
2017-01-04T09:25:17 < dongs> is that crt?
2017-01-04T09:25:25 < stvn> crt got pumped
2017-01-04T09:25:30 < Spirit532> oh no
2017-01-04T09:25:33 < Spirit532> the worthless human joined again
2017-01-04T09:25:41 < Spirit532> stvn, but who is the king?
2017-01-04T09:25:53 < stvn> they call him brother Steffan
2017-01-04T09:26:16 < Spirit532> I'm not sure if it's a joke or if he is actually good at stm
2017-01-04T09:28:22 < stvn> do i look like some kind of joker
2017-01-04T09:28:27 < Spirit532> yes
2017-01-04T09:28:31 < Spirit532> you're in ##stm32
2017-01-04T09:29:11 < ohsix> i'm in #cardiacspecialist
2017-01-04T09:29:37 < stvn> i'm rather uncertain about what you want
2017-01-04T09:29:49 < Spirit532> ohsix, I'd rather you be in #cardiacarrest
2017-01-04T09:29:55 < Spirit532> stvn, I have a sensor
2017-01-04T09:29:59 < Spirit532> I have a microcontroller
2017-01-04T09:30:00 < Spirit532> UGH
2017-01-04T09:30:05 < Spirit532> the rest is your job
2017-01-04T09:30:06 < Spirit532> ;^)
2017-01-04T09:30:17 < stvn> if you've come here to spout buckets of crap, take it from me, nobody notices
2017-01-04T09:30:21 < Spirit532> well, that and most of the firmware is ready
2017-01-04T09:30:24 < ohsix> that doesn't fit the strained metaphor
2017-01-04T09:30:26 < ohsix> or simile
2017-01-04T09:30:34 < ohsix> or whatever you wouldn't play along anyways
2017-01-04T09:30:38 < Spirit532> I only need someone to:
2017-01-04T09:30:50 < ohsix> do something that doesn't make you a written off shithead
2017-01-04T09:30:53 < Spirit532> 1) configure the server via I2C, datasheet included, functions already there
2017-01-04T09:30:56 < stvn> you know a freelancer paki will have it done in 1 day
2017-01-04T09:31:03 < stvn> so just submit it there
2017-01-04T09:31:18 < Spirit532> 2) read data from the sensor via SPI DMA(functions there)
2017-01-04T09:31:25 < ohsix> why don't you take no for an answer?
2017-01-04T09:31:38 < Spirit532> 3) make it a 160x120 raw14 image in memory
2017-01-04T09:31:38 < ohsix> dongs already did some free work for you
2017-01-04T09:31:55 < Spirit532> 4(optional) do a for loop to drop the images onto the screen
2017-01-04T09:31:58 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T09:31:59 < stvn> almost sounds too simple right?
2017-01-04T09:32:07 < Spirit532> it is
2017-01-04T09:32:10 < Spirit532> but I have no idea what to do
2017-01-04T09:32:18 < Spirit532> and I'd rather pay a little than fuck a lot
2017-01-04T09:32:18 < ohsix> it is apparent
2017-01-04T09:32:40 < ohsix> do you take your car to a garage, where they have the equipment to service it
2017-01-04T09:32:45 < ohsix> you have to pay for their overhead
2017-01-04T09:32:47 < stvn> if you complete it yourself, we'll pitch in for an asian ladyman to suck you off.
2017-01-04T09:32:59 < Spirit532> nah
2017-01-04T09:33:08 < Spirit532> seriously, I need someone to help for a few beers
2017-01-04T09:33:38 < ohsix> 100 beers
2017-01-04T09:33:45 < ohsix> take one down and pass it around
2017-01-04T09:33:50 < Spirit532> so around 50 bucks
2017-01-04T09:33:50 < Spirit532> k
2017-01-04T09:33:53 < stvn> come over then
2017-01-04T09:34:02 < ohsix> 99 beers of elaborate impotence
2017-01-04T09:34:33 < stvn> i'm right next to ayers rock in australia, you can't miss me
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2017-01-04T09:34:48 < Spirit532> let me get my drill out
2017-01-04T09:34:56 < Spirit532> it'll take me a few hours to go through earth
2017-01-04T09:35:12 < stvn> while you're drilling think about stm32
2017-01-04T09:36:08 < ohsix> are you really near ayers rock?
2017-01-04T09:40:59 < dongs> Spirit532: did you come up with a link for all your warez yet
2017-01-04T09:41:07 < Spirit532> yes
2017-01-04T09:41:12 < dongs> why havent you posted it
2017-01-04T09:41:16 < dongs> in the channel
2017-01-04T09:41:20 < Spirit532> I'll PM if anyone is actually serious
2017-01-04T09:41:29 < Spirit532> I'd rather not just throw it out there yet
2017-01-04T09:41:56 < ohsix> make it harder
2017-01-04T09:42:22 < ohsix> you're going into the negative and cost goes up as you fuck with people
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2017-01-04T09:46:40 < ohsix> heheh this probook is grand, hd light goes orange when it needs service as well
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2017-01-04T09:48:02 < stvn> nah post it here
2017-01-04T09:48:36 < Spirit532> I won't
2017-01-04T09:48:39 < Spirit532> everything is there
2017-01-04T09:48:46 < Spirit532> no point in doing so anyway
2017-01-04T09:48:59 < Spirit532> nobody is going to do it for free
2017-01-04T09:49:03 < stvn> sure they are
2017-01-04T09:49:12 < Spirit532> find me a person that will
2017-01-04T09:49:21  * stvn points over there
2017-01-04T09:49:22 < stvn> see
2017-01-04T09:49:38 < Spirit532> I'll PM the archive to anyone who actually wants to take a stab at this
2017-01-04T09:50:59 < ohsix> finders fee is >100$
2017-01-04T09:51:20 < ohsix> let me tell you all about how my life got flipped turned upside down
2017-01-04T09:51:29 < ohsix> er, i mean about an alternate universe where you just asked for help
2017-01-04T09:51:43 < Spirit532> I am asking for help
2017-01-04T09:51:45 < ohsix> you've sunk a bit of time already, time that you could have, _maybe_ just had it done in
2017-01-04T09:51:47 < Spirit532> more than usual and paid
2017-01-04T09:51:57 < ohsix> nevermind then
2017-01-04T09:52:10 < ohsix> stvn: if you're near ayers rock thats kewl
2017-01-04T09:53:39 < stvn> ok
2017-01-04T09:54:01 < Spirit532> if anyone wants a quick $100, all you have to do is put the sensor image roughly on the screen
2017-01-04T09:54:04 < stvn> have you sent it yet?
2017-01-04T09:54:08 < Spirit532> (using premade functions)
2017-01-04T09:54:13 < Spirit532> stvn, to?
2017-01-04T09:54:21 < stvn> someone 
2017-01-04T09:54:28 < stvn> anyone
2017-01-04T09:54:28 < Spirit532> the chat's kinda dead
2017-01-04T09:54:35 < stvn> how about other channels
2017-01-04T09:54:59 < Spirit532> #stm32_2 and _3?
2017-01-04T09:54:59 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T09:55:05 < stvn> sure check there
2017-01-04T09:55:20 < stvn> don't you know there are other channels ##embedded and maybe ##electronics
2017-01-04T09:55:31 < Spirit532> ##electronics
2017-01-04T09:55:33  * Spirit532 laughs
2017-01-04T09:55:37 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-04T09:55:48 < stvn> it's a great little community
2017-01-04T09:56:26 < stvn> have you sent me the files yet?
2017-01-04T09:56:33 < Spirit532> do you want them?
2017-01-04T09:56:58 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-04T09:57:04 < Spirit532> are you actually going to do anything?
2017-01-04T09:57:10 < stvn> no
2017-01-04T09:57:17 < Spirit532> then no
2017-01-04T09:57:31 < stvn> why not
2017-01-04T09:58:13 < Spirit532> because a lot of stuff is in there
2017-01-04T09:58:30 < stvn> so
2017-01-04T09:58:58 < Spirit532> I don't want to share it with people that want nothing to do with it
2017-01-04T09:58:59 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T09:59:13 < stvn> why not
2017-01-04T09:59:39 < Spirit532> .-.
2017-01-04T10:01:41 < stvn> well come on
2017-01-04T10:02:24 < Spirit532> I do not want to come onto anyone
2017-01-04T10:02:32 < stvn> what
2017-01-04T10:02:40 < Spirit532> a terrible pun
2017-01-04T10:02:49 < stvn> can you just hurry the fuck up and send it
2017-01-04T10:03:14 < Spirit532> why!?
2017-01-04T10:03:14 < Spirit532> D:
2017-01-04T10:03:15 < ohsix> haha did you get run off ##electronics already?
2017-01-04T10:04:37 < stvn> i'm bored
2017-01-04T10:05:50 < Spirit532> I'll only share it if you want to try making it work
2017-01-04T10:06:47 < ohsix> any interesting repairs lately stvn
2017-01-04T10:06:52 < ohsix> i fixed some stuff for some people
2017-01-04T10:07:19 < ohsix> it was nice
2017-01-04T10:07:47 < stvn> i bet if you went to the doctor with a rash on your dick you wouldn't let the doctor look at it.
2017-01-04T10:07:56 < ohsix> haha
2017-01-04T10:08:00 < Spirit532> but this isn't a rash
2017-01-04T10:08:11 < Spirit532> this is lack of a dick that needsa rash on it
2017-01-04T10:08:12 < stvn> it may as well be
2017-01-04T10:08:12 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T10:08:29 < ohsix> where did you actually stop
2017-01-04T10:08:39 < ohsix> did you try to get dma running and it didn't work?
2017-01-04T10:08:54 < Spirit532> I got dma to sorta work via libraries
2017-01-04T10:08:56 < Spirit532> and then stopped
2017-01-04T10:09:19 < stvn> maybe it's diabeetus
2017-01-04T10:09:36 < dongs> im pretty sure the diagnosis is autism
2017-01-04T10:09:53 < ohsix> be more specific, heh
2017-01-04T10:10:28 < Spirit532> I got bytes out
2017-01-04T10:10:32 < Spirit532> don't know what was in them
2017-01-04T10:10:39 < Spirit532> because I don't know how the sensor is configured
2017-01-04T10:10:43 < Spirit532> (it's used, out of the FLIR Lepton)
2017-01-04T10:10:47 < Spirit532> er, FLIR ONE
2017-01-04T10:10:52 < Spirit532> it needs a bit of i2c setup
2017-01-04T10:11:04 < dongs> I2C of SCCB
2017-01-04T10:11:06 < dongs> er or
2017-01-04T10:11:18 < Spirit532> "I2C-like interface"
2017-01-04T10:11:20 < Spirit532> also know as
2017-01-04T10:11:28 < Spirit532> known as* "we don't want to pay the fees but it's I2C"
2017-01-04T10:11:44 < dongs> ah so like TWI
2017-01-04T10:12:48 < Spirit532> the datashit is in the archive
2017-01-04T10:12:53 < Spirit532> the entire thing
2017-01-04T10:12:58 < Spirit532> timing, commands, values
2017-01-04T10:13:37 < dongs> who's taking the job now, both people I have on ignore are idle
2017-01-04T10:13:39 < dongs> and youre still chatting
2017-01-04T10:14:46 < Spirit532> the bad man and stvn
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2017-01-04T10:16:39 < ohsix> if you have to, just dump to serial
2017-01-04T10:16:58 < Spirit532> I don't want to
2017-01-04T10:16:59 < ohsix> if it is giving you data, you can worry later when you're looking at it if it is the right thing
2017-01-04T10:17:02 < ohsix> code is the same
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2017-01-04T10:17:09 < Spirit532> timing is a thing
2017-01-04T10:17:11 < ohsix> k
2017-01-04T10:17:18 < Spirit532> the whole task is
2017-01-04T10:17:25 < Spirit532> use spi dma and the lib functions
2017-01-04T10:17:36 < Spirit532> tell the sensor what mode to be in
2017-01-04T10:17:51 < Spirit532> (raw14, radiometry enabled)
2017-01-04T10:17:52 < Spirit532> parse the data
2017-01-04T10:17:54 < dongs> what ;'lib functions'
2017-01-04T10:18:07 < Spirit532> I'm using Tilen Majerle's libset
2017-01-04T10:18:13 < ohsix> the ones that heavily favor human rights
2017-01-04T10:18:15 < Spirit532> it's the easiest to use imo
2017-01-04T10:18:28 < dongs> oh that shit? god damn wtf
2017-01-04T10:18:29 < dongs> why
2017-01-04T10:18:35 < Spirit532> it's easy
2017-01-04T10:18:35 < Spirit532> fast
2017-01-04T10:18:38 < Spirit532> compiles
2017-01-04T10:18:43 < Spirit532> the last part is the most important
2017-01-04T10:18:50 < ohsix> compiles is all the work!
2017-01-04T10:18:53 < dongs> stdperiphlib compiles
2017-01-04T10:19:01 < dongs> his shit is some weired mix of C++ and faggotry
2017-01-04T10:19:02 < Spirit532> it's on top of stdperiph
2017-01-04T10:19:14 < dongs> yeah and stdperiph is on top of cmsis header
2017-01-04T10:19:15 < ohsix> url to libset
2017-01-04T10:19:22 < dongs> so you've introduced yet ANOTHER layer of indirection
2017-01-04T10:19:28 < dongs> more places to get bugs
2017-01-04T10:19:43 < Spirit532> if you'd like to add "writing an ILI9341 driver" and "writing an SD card driver" and "writing an I2C library and SPI DMA library" to the list of things to do for $100
2017-01-04T10:19:48 < ohsix> and there will be bugs, you end up having to look at more code to see where it is
2017-01-04T10:19:49 < Spirit532> I'll be more than glad to start from a clean slate
2017-01-04T10:19:53 < Spirit532> ;^)
2017-01-04T10:20:04 < ohsix> do you know about stm32cube?
2017-01-04T10:20:08 < Spirit532> it's hal
2017-01-04T10:20:08 < Spirit532> so die
2017-01-04T10:20:19 < Spirit532> hal makes me want to cry
2017-01-04T10:20:19 < Thorn> so I want to enter sleep mode, check if keys are pressed in a timer interrupt, if yes then continue with the program, otherwise go back to sleep. do I play with the SLEEPONEXIT bit or what
2017-01-04T10:20:21 < ohsix> if someone accepted 100$ but it had to be hal
2017-01-04T10:20:23 < Spirit532> half the time it doesn't work
2017-01-04T10:20:29 < Spirit532> the other half it's slow
2017-01-04T10:20:30 < Spirit532> and ugly
2017-01-04T10:20:43 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-04T10:20:50 < ohsix> i don't think you know what you're talking about
2017-01-04T10:21:05 < ohsix> Thorn: can't use irq on button directly?
2017-01-04T10:21:06 < Spirit532> if someone accepted hal for $100 I'd be ok with it
2017-01-04T10:21:11 < Spirit532> but I tried hal
2017-01-04T10:21:12 < ohsix> o keys
2017-01-04T10:21:19 < Spirit532> and I couldn't get DMA to work at all
2017-01-04T10:21:22 < Spirit532> all the right code
2017-01-04T10:21:24 < ohsix> no idea, haven't had to mess with that yet
2017-01-04T10:21:26 < Spirit532> so many shitty bugs
2017-01-04T10:21:34 < Spirit532> I quit on problem #3
2017-01-04T10:21:38 < Spirit532> OUT OF VANILLA CODE
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2017-01-04T10:22:11 < ohsix> pretty soon i'm going to have to send you an invoice for all this consulting
2017-01-04T10:22:32 < ohsix> that's a joke to me because i'm an adult and i do that now
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2017-01-04T10:23:02 < Spirit532> I'll laugh at your quote and send you a cease and desist
2017-01-04T10:23:04 < ohsix> where's the url to that libset code, never heard of it, want to look
2017-01-04T10:23:12 < ohsix> a lawyer costs money lul
2017-01-04T10:23:23 < Spirit532> http://stm32f4-discovery.net/
2017-01-04T10:23:23 < ohsix> you won't be sending anyone anything
2017-01-04T10:23:26 < ohsix> thanks
2017-01-04T10:23:35 < Spirit532> I don't need a lawyer to send a cease and desist for unsolicited services
2017-01-04T10:24:10 < ohsix> yea you do
2017-01-04T10:24:19 < ohsix> because the lawyer from my llc will get it
2017-01-04T10:24:24 < ohsix> and you'll have to pay for them
2017-01-04T10:24:40 < ohsix> he also won't work for an hour @ 100/hr
2017-01-04T10:24:40 < Spirit532> that's not how law works
2017-01-04T10:24:47 < ohsix> try it
2017-01-04T10:24:53 < Spirit532> international law moreso
2017-01-04T10:24:56 < ohsix> the theme is that you'll be spending money
2017-01-04T10:24:59 < Spirit532> you're the one who pays for your lawyers
2017-01-04T10:25:05 < Spirit532> and now
2017-01-04T10:25:08 < Spirit532> get the fuck out of here
2017-01-04T10:25:17 < Spirit532> off into ignore you go
2017-01-04T10:25:38 < ohsix> heheh
2017-01-04T10:25:52 < dongs> <3
2017-01-04T10:26:02 < Spirit532> <3
2017-01-04T10:26:15 < Spirit532> now, who really wants to take up my offer?
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2017-01-04T10:27:18 < ohsix> /last paki
2017-01-04T10:27:26 < ohsix> all the people telling you to use freelancer
2017-01-04T10:27:39 < Spirit532> come on, nobody at all?
2017-01-04T10:28:03 < Spirit532> I guess chat has been a bit deadened by the time zones
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2017-01-04T10:28:06 < Spirit532> I'll try later
2017-01-04T10:28:16 < ohsix> wasting your time has been worth more than 100$/hr to me
2017-01-04T10:28:32 < ohsix> it's not about what you're paying but what the person taking the job has to not to
2017-01-04T10:29:18 < ohsix> it's actually, to you, probably worth more than 100$/hr, since it is a sunk cost. if you do it, you'll at least get better
2017-01-04T10:29:35 < zyp> Spirit532, I don't get how you think it's reasonable for somebody to write driver code without access to hardware to test on
2017-01-04T10:29:43 < Spirit532> zyp, I can do it remotely
2017-01-04T10:30:08 < Spirit532> debugging via teamviewer if need be
2017-01-04T10:30:12 < Spirit532> but the rest is firmware
2017-01-04T10:30:39 < Spirit532> the hw works
2017-01-04T10:31:23 < zyp> remote testing is painful
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2017-01-04T10:31:38 < zyp> having to go through another person to test the code you're writing is a waste of time
2017-01-04T10:31:48 < Spirit532> it's the most I can do
2017-01-04T10:31:59 < Spirit532> I really can't justify spending another $300 and another 2 months to get a bit of code
2017-01-04T10:32:27 < jpa-> so buy from some local dude?
2017-01-04T10:32:33 < jpa-> contact local hackerspaces etc.
2017-01-04T10:32:59 < Spirit532> they don't exist
2017-01-04T10:33:13 < ohsix> you're in europe, you can drive to like 500 of them in a few hours
2017-01-04T10:34:03 < jpa-> Spirit532 starts to sound like the kind of "no can do" person i wouldn't want to work with for such a low price :P
2017-01-04T10:34:16 < zyp> starts? :p
2017-01-04T10:34:23 < Spirit532> I don't want to be that person! D:
2017-01-04T10:34:29 < ohsix> go to an improv class
2017-01-04T10:34:32 < ohsix> learn 'yes and'
2017-01-04T10:34:39 < Spirit532> but this is a personal project that I can't spend a few hundred more on
2017-01-04T10:34:46 < Spirit532> I just need help 
2017-01-04T10:35:06 < ohsix> make some progress, or get really specific, nothing is too dumb (compilation came up already)
2017-01-04T10:35:42 < Spirit532> I wonder if ohsix is pouring paragraphs out sometime around now
2017-01-04T10:38:01 < zyp> Spirit532, so anyway, before I lost interest in the discussion before because it devolved into bullshit, you were claiming that the sensor was transmitting data, so what exactly is it that you need help with?
2017-01-04T10:38:31 < Spirit532> making the sensor transmit RIGHT data, and interpreting the data into an image
2017-01-04T10:38:37 < Spirit532> first part is I2C commands
2017-01-04T10:38:45 < Spirit532> second is just SPI DMA RX and... math?
2017-01-04T10:39:17 < Spirit532> there is another arduino-based project, but it suffers from the OOP illness
2017-01-04T10:39:26 < zyp> okay, so the bulk part would be figuring out which commands to say
2017-01-04T10:39:26 < Spirit532> (everything is neraly impossible to link together in your head)
2017-01-04T10:39:33 < Spirit532> it's all in the datasheets
2017-01-04T10:39:42 < Spirit532> I *just* need someone to put it all together
2017-01-04T10:40:05 < zyp> datasheets stating which commands exists doesn't help all that much in figuring out which you actually have to send and in what order
2017-01-04T10:40:13 < Spirit532> I also have that
2017-01-04T10:40:23 < Spirit532> again, refer to previous message
2017-01-04T10:40:33 < zyp> what do you mean by putting together?
2017-01-04T10:40:47 < Spirit532> writing the few lines of code 
2017-01-04T10:40:54 < zyp> that does what?
2017-01-04T10:41:16 < Spirit532> configures sensor, puts images(just raw values) to the screen, via already available functions
2017-01-04T10:41:29 < Spirit532> (data burst into another SPI port)
2017-01-04T10:41:49 < jpa-> Spirit532: then spend just more time to learn how to do it yourself
2017-01-04T10:41:56 < Spirit532> I tried
2017-01-04T10:41:59 < zyp> ah, gotcha, hang on
2017-01-04T10:42:03 < Spirit532> but I'm a very visual learner
2017-01-04T10:42:14 < Spirit532> and that would be ok, if I knew anything about stm32
2017-01-04T10:43:20 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/yrUiZ
2017-01-04T10:43:23 < ohsix> that isn't a real thing
2017-01-04T10:43:25 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-04T10:43:32 < Spirit532> zyp, pretty much
2017-01-04T10:43:36 < ohsix> i thought i was a visual learner until i found out it was bullshit
2017-01-04T10:43:42 < Spirit532> ready to take that up?
2017-01-04T10:43:45 < Spirit532> D:
2017-01-04T10:44:07 < Spirit532> I really believe someone that knows STM32 will only take an hour or two to get the whole thing working
2017-01-04T10:44:14 < zyp> I thought I were done already
2017-01-04T10:44:25 < Spirit532> D:
2017-01-04T10:45:02 < Spirit532> it's still $100 on the line
2017-01-04T10:56:34 < stvn> must be a quiet day in ##stm32 if nobody has taken up your generous offer
2017-01-04T10:56:51 < Spirit532> I know it's not generous
2017-01-04T10:57:08 < Spirit532> but even at $100/hr, it shouldn't take more than an hour
2017-01-04T10:57:09 < Spirit532> seriously
2017-01-04T10:57:21 < Spirit532> minus maybe communication/debugging
2017-01-04T10:57:43 < stvn> how many hours did you spend explaining this?
2017-01-04T10:58:18 < Spirit532> I'm doing something else
2017-01-04T10:58:22 < Spirit532> I can chatfreely :P
2017-01-04T10:58:29 < stvn> arent we all
2017-01-04T10:59:19 < Spirit532> deep down inside
2017-01-04T10:59:21 < Spirit532> everyone is
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2017-01-04T11:01:44 < Spirit532> I guess I'll try later
2017-01-04T11:01:48 < Spirit532> when a lot more people are chatting
2017-01-04T11:01:53 < stvn> no
2017-01-04T11:01:54 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-04T11:01:58 < stvn> don't stop now
2017-01-04T11:01:59 < ohsix> you're going to piss people off
2017-01-04T11:02:07 < ohsix> also almost all the people that do talk, have spoken with you
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2017-01-04T11:02:56 < Spirit532> stvn, nu
2017-01-04T11:03:03 < stvn> this is an experience i want to see the end of
2017-01-04T11:03:07 < Spirit532> I may be annoying, but I am not a dick
2017-01-04T11:03:09 < Spirit532> :>
2017-01-04T11:03:26 < Spirit532> that, and whilst we were chatting, I've been looking for a real freelancer
2017-01-04T11:03:28 < stvn> so
2017-01-04T11:03:31 < Spirit532> (someone worse than you)
2017-01-04T11:03:39 < stvn> have you got the project down to $15 yet?
2017-01-04T11:03:45 < Spirit532> pakis are genuinely cheaper
2017-01-04T11:03:55 < Spirit532> $5/hr vs ~$10-30/hr
2017-01-04T11:03:55 < stvn> i told you to ask them
2017-01-04T11:04:04 < ohsix> man what the fuck happened to newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100167524%208000 drives in the wrong category, on newegg, just a few years ago would be like a death in the family
2017-01-04T11:04:06 < Spirit532> I'd rather pay more to have it done
2017-01-04T11:04:08 < stvn> rofl at 10-30 /hr
2017-01-04T11:04:54 < jpa-> my charge is like $80/hr and IIRC i'm the lowest paid working person here ;)
2017-01-04T11:05:00 < Spirit532> look at upwork
2017-01-04T11:05:05 < stvn> you need ohsix engineering expertise at $300 an hr
2017-01-04T11:05:07 < Spirit532> some people have earned over $10k with $30/hr
2017-01-04T11:05:57 < ohsix> opportunity cost steven
2017-01-04T11:06:17 < stvn> have you uploaded your code Spirit532 
2017-01-04T11:06:19 < ohsix> i'm actually working on a pals xmas present, he needs a 3d printer part to make it amaze
2017-01-04T11:06:23 < Spirit532> stvn, if someone charges $300/hr and doesn't blow me and clean my room at the same time they're doing the job, I'm not paying $300/hr
2017-01-04T11:06:26 < Spirit532> and I have
2017-01-04T11:06:30 < Spirit532> just not posting it publicly
2017-01-04T11:06:45 < Spirit532> if someone wants to try doing it, sure
2017-01-04T11:09:08 < stvn> why not
2017-01-04T11:09:21 < Spirit532> it's incomplete and there are a lot of issues
2017-01-04T11:09:25 < Spirit532> mostly with hardware
2017-01-04T11:09:35 < Spirit532> I'll be posting a full opensource thing once it's done
2017-01-04T11:09:51 < stvn> why
2017-01-04T11:09:57 < Spirit532> because I like opensource
2017-01-04T11:10:12 < stvn> you could sell it to adafruit
2017-01-04T11:10:19 < Spirit532> it's not profitable
2017-01-04T11:10:24 < stvn> ok
2017-01-04T11:10:36 < Spirit532> and I doubt adafruit would like a "rip parts out of commercial products to make it work" item
2017-01-04T11:10:36 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T11:11:38 < Spirit532> the lepton v3 is only available via the FLIR ONE dongle thing
2017-01-04T11:12:08 < stvn> why not get it direct from china
2017-01-04T11:12:16 < Spirit532> if only!
2017-01-04T11:12:25 < Spirit532> chinese FPAs are more expensive than the entire product
2017-01-04T11:12:30 < Spirit532> ... I had the quotes...
2017-01-04T11:12:46 < stvn> can you upload your code then
2017-01-04T11:12:50 < Spirit532> I have!
2017-01-04T11:12:55 < stvn> link
2017-01-04T11:12:58 < Spirit532> but you don't want anything to do with it
2017-01-04T11:13:23 < ohsix> guise is it dum to spend 70$ on 1tb hdd drive over 130$ 512gb ssd
2017-01-04T11:15:25 < stvn> i want my own stm32
2017-01-04T11:15:33 < Spirit532> they cost millions
2017-01-04T11:15:41 < Spirit532> unobtainium
2017-01-04T11:15:46 < stvn> how did you get one
2017-01-04T11:15:58 < Spirit532> *borrowed*
2017-01-04T11:17:17 < ohsix> strike that, 55, toshiba
2017-01-04T11:17:34 < stvn> send me your hardware
2017-01-04T11:17:44 < Spirit532> I can't
2017-01-04T11:17:46 < Spirit532> it's unique
2017-01-04T11:17:49 < Spirit532> world's only
2017-01-04T11:18:02 < Spirit532> well, I mean, there are 7 other PCBs
2017-01-04T11:18:31 < Spirit532> and enough parts to probably make another 2
2017-01-04T11:18:34 < Spirit532> but I'd rather not
2017-01-04T11:19:04 < stvn> got any DCV1020
2017-01-04T11:19:21 < Spirit532> probably somewhere
2017-01-04T11:20:06 < stvn> how many
2017-01-04T11:20:13 < Spirit532> one or two
2017-01-04T11:20:43 < stvn> can i have them
2017-01-04T11:20:53 < Spirit532> maybe 
2017-01-04T11:21:55 < stvn> idk why mine never arrived today
2017-01-04T11:22:29 < Spirit532> but never is not today
2017-01-04T11:29:22 < stvn> m
2017-01-04T11:29:27 < stvn> i need a stiff solution.
2017-01-04T11:30:16 < Spirit532> that's called viagra
2017-01-04T11:31:40 < stvn> okay
2017-01-04T11:32:04 < stvn> has freelancer delivered yet?
2017-01-04T11:32:27 < Spirit532> I'll try here tonight
2017-01-04T11:32:31 < Spirit532> maybe someone will bite
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2017-01-04T11:42:57 < Thorn> sleep mode http://paste.ofcode.org/N4c4snzcyPykjzkLByJXAE
2017-01-04T11:50:37 < ohsix> wowwie zowwie, just noticed a new thing that doesn't suck in gnome3/files/nautilus
2017-01-04T11:50:51 < ohsix> you can select a bunch of files, in the context menu there's a 'move all files to new directory'
2017-01-04T11:50:57 < ohsix> definite progress
2017-01-04T11:52:10 < Thorn> can you select files in samba shares in the gnome file dialog?
2017-01-04T11:56:03 < ohsix> but it still crashes at random times during file operations \m/
2017-01-04T11:56:18 < ohsix> Thorn: you can,  but some applications, like transmission, specifically exclude those paths
2017-01-04T11:56:24 < ohsix> it's a thing gio does, sec
2017-01-04T12:05:17 < ohsix> f it can't find it
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2017-01-04T12:23:30 < karlp> /run/user/1000/gvfs/shit thorn.
2017-01-04T12:24:30 < Thorn> yeah that's what I remember doing in 2010 or so when I last touched that pile of shit
2017-01-04T12:25:05 < Thorn> ~/.something/gvfs/... or something like that
2017-01-04T12:26:52 < karlp> yeah, it used to be in ~/.something
2017-01-04T12:27:49 < karlp> why samba shits are under /run/user/uid/gvfs,  and external disks are under /run/media/username I dont understand, but surely someone at gnome thought it was a good idea
2017-01-04T12:31:02 < Thorn> they can put them wherever they want but there needs to be an easy to use list in the file dialog
2017-01-04T12:31:26 < karlp> zyp: with your hid bootloader, you did that for windows users upgrades right?  did you require windows users to install python to run it? or did you do any python packaging for windows?
2017-01-04T12:32:22 < zyp> neither, I wrote a C++ app
2017-01-04T12:32:23 < karlp> Thorn: I agree the file dialogs normally don't handle the mounts well.  having to drill down in /run is tedious, but at least it works.
2017-01-04T12:32:34 < karlp> zyp: ahh, ok then :)
2017-01-04T12:32:50 < zyp> some real simple thing
2017-01-04T12:32:51 < karlp> I have an existing java app because it runs everywhere, but I don'
2017-01-04T12:32:56 < karlp> t want to hack on it further.
2017-01-04T12:33:15 < karlp> is it cli only? 
2017-01-04T12:33:23 < zyp> and then I append the image to the .exe file itself, so I have a precompiled .exe template and a script to append the image to it
2017-01-04T12:33:27 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-04T12:33:44 < karlp> oh well, no help then :)
2017-01-04T12:33:48 < karlp> thanks though :)
2017-01-04T12:34:03 < karlp> did you cross compile that with mingw or something?
2017-01-04T12:34:07 < zyp> I also wrote a config app in python though, that one I packed with py2exe
2017-01-04T12:34:18 < zyp> nah, MSVC in a VM
2017-01-04T12:34:36 < jpa-> karlp: i do python packaging for windows for the nanopb generator
2017-01-04T12:34:45 < zyp> guess I could cross compile, but I'm too lazy to fuck around with that, template only needs to be compiled once
2017-01-04T12:34:47 < jpa-> and for mac and linux also; seems to work well
2017-01-04T12:35:03 < karlp> jpa-: is that cli only? or do you use any gui toolkits as well?
2017-01-04T12:35:03 < jpa-> https://github.com/nanopb/nanopb/tree/master/tools   has the packaging scripts
2017-01-04T12:35:07 < jpa-> cli only
2017-01-04T12:35:09  * karlp will have a look
2017-01-04T12:35:14 < jpa-> though i've done one wxpython app before
2017-01-04T12:35:17 < zyp> my python config app uses pyqt
2017-01-04T12:35:28 < zyp> packs fine with py2exe, but the .exe ends up like 10MB
2017-01-04T12:35:44 < karlp> I've got a gtk3 python thing I use personally on linux, but it's python GI shit, so I can't even imagine running it easily on windows/mac.
2017-01-04T12:36:02 < zyp> pyqt runs just as well on windows as anywhere else
2017-01-04T12:36:48 < karlp> does the user have to install qt or something ahead of time, or did py2exe handle all that?
2017-01-04T12:37:05 < karlp> I guess I could relearn shit and use pyqt if it works better cross platform.
2017-01-04T12:37:08 < zyp> all the dlls are embedded in the .exe, that's why it got so big
2017-01-04T12:37:24 < karlp> I just _reallly_ don't want to go back and try adding bootloader support into this java cruft thing
2017-01-04T12:37:50 < jpa-> qt would be my #1 choice for cross-platform gui apps
2017-01-04T12:37:59 < jpa-> be it through python or not
2017-01-04T12:38:18 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/eEvk6 <- the config app is pretty simple too, this is all there's to it
2017-01-04T12:39:41 < zyp> looks like this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/wzAwV.png http://bin.jvnv.net/f/86GNE.png
2017-01-04T12:47:41 < karlp> hrm, cool. might be faster to rewrite it like that.
2017-01-04T12:47:58 < karlp> is that config app code in your git repo? 
2017-01-04T12:48:13 < zyp> no, I planned to make a separate repo for it, but never got around to
2017-01-04T12:48:25 < zyp> haven't done anything with it yet since initially writing it
2017-01-04T12:49:06 < Spirit532> just to spite dongs
2017-01-04T12:49:08 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVyaL4PuUl0
2017-01-04T12:49:23 < Spirit532> the ili9341 display works with CS tied low
2017-01-04T12:49:39 < Spirit532> and the lepton inits
2017-01-04T12:54:28 < Spirit532> zyp, did that video inspire you to work on my code?
2017-01-04T12:57:14 < zyp> no, it's just making me see red
2017-01-04T12:57:30 < Spirit532> nice pun
2017-01-04T12:57:35 < Spirit532> that's the red fill 
2017-01-04T12:57:41 < Spirit532> (burst via dma, 48MHz)
2017-01-04T12:57:56 < Spirit532> I kinda wanted to go to a parallel ili9341 interface
2017-01-04T12:58:07 < Spirit532> but I'm constrained on space and didn't want to go to a 4L board
2017-01-04T12:58:54 < zyp> I think you already made it clear that you're cheap :)
2017-01-04T12:59:07 < Spirit532> it's just unreasonable IMO
2017-01-04T12:59:17 < Spirit532> I can get way more than full 9Hz via SPI
2017-01-04T12:59:25 < Spirit532> and 4L doubles or even triples the price
2017-01-04T12:59:34 < Spirit532> especially if I choose to go for ENIG
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2017-01-04T13:00:11 < Spirit532> it's got a bit of "rolling" since there is no double buffering
2017-01-04T13:00:22 < Spirit532> but I couldn't for the life of me find a 2.2" display that has double buffering
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2017-01-04T13:14:29 < Ecco> Hi guys
2017-01-04T13:14:45 < Ecco> How can I tell if a quartz mounted on a PCB is working properly?
2017-01-04T13:14:51 < Ecco> I have a scope and a multimeter
2017-01-04T13:15:51 < Spirit532> Ecco, just put a scope on TIMES 10(thanks, ##stm32!)
2017-01-04T13:15:56 < Spirit532> on one of the legs
2017-01-04T13:16:21 < Ecco> ok
2017-01-04T13:16:24 < Ecco> thanks
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2017-01-04T13:42:05 < karlp> fuck no artoocommie and still just garbage scrollback.
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2017-01-04T13:48:20 < emeryth> Spirit532: are you trying to do this? http://www.c-thermal.com/faq/
2017-01-04T13:48:31 < Spirit532> emeryth, except not shitty and awfully designed
2017-01-04T13:48:38 < emeryth> yeah
2017-01-04T13:48:39 < Spirit532> and not commercial
2017-01-04T13:48:41 < Spirit532> and not lying
2017-01-04T13:48:41 < emeryth> I can see that
2017-01-04T13:48:45 < Spirit532> "less than 300 e"
2017-01-04T13:48:48 < Spirit532> yeah, sure.
2017-01-04T13:48:54 < Spirit532> the sensor is around $250-280.
2017-01-04T13:50:06 < jpa-> in single units?
2017-01-04T13:50:51 < Spirit532> lifted out of a commercial product
2017-01-04T13:51:11 < Spirit532> the 160x120 version is only available in the FLIR ONE
2017-01-04T13:51:31 < jpa-> are you sure c-thermal wouldn't just negotiate a deal with flir?
2017-01-04T13:51:42 < Spirit532> >negotiate a deal
2017-01-04T13:51:54 < Spirit532> you know FLIR laugh at anything under 10 000 units, right?
2017-01-04T13:52:10 < Spirit532> the only part they really made available is the older FLIR Lepton V2
2017-01-04T13:52:12 < Spirit532> with 80x60 pixels
2017-01-04T13:52:17 < Spirit532> for $180 via digikey
2017-01-04T13:52:18 < jpa-> so? a medium-sized kickstarter could easily give enough money to buy 10k
2017-01-04T13:52:22 < Spirit532> lolno
2017-01-04T13:52:27 < Spirit532> you're lucky if it gets to a thousand
2017-01-04T13:52:53 < jpa-> me?
2017-01-04T13:52:59 < Spirit532> it's a saying
2017-01-04T13:53:05 < Spirit532> metaphorically you
2017-01-04T13:53:10 < jpa-> yes, but it makes no sense to use a passive there
2017-01-04T13:53:15 < Spirit532> sure does
2017-01-04T13:53:20 < jpa-> you can say "they're lucky" if you mean c-thermal specifically
2017-01-04T13:53:34 < Spirit532> but I don't
2017-01-04T13:53:42 < Spirit532> I mean "this kind of project"
2017-01-04T13:53:43 < Spirit532> it's niche
2017-01-04T13:53:54 < jpa-> you mean that there is no way to get funding for a thermal camera that would sell over 10k units?
2017-01-04T13:54:08 < Spirit532> if it's $100, easy
2017-01-04T13:54:12 < Spirit532> if it's $300, hell no
2017-01-04T13:54:16 < Spirit532> the original FLIR ONE is like $250
2017-01-04T13:54:17 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-04T13:54:38 < jpa-> flir is not fond of selling stuff cheap, because their main target is business customers
2017-01-04T13:54:46 < Spirit532> the FLIR ONE is $250
2017-01-04T13:54:48 < Spirit532> it's consumer
2017-01-04T13:55:00 < jpa-> and they could probably sell it cheaper if they wanted to
2017-01-04T13:55:20 < Spirit532> certainly
2017-01-04T13:55:25 < Spirit532> the sensor probably costs like $50
2017-01-04T13:55:32 < Spirit532> but the R&D costs make the rest
2017-01-04T13:55:50 < jpa-> you mean, they didn't just pay someone under $100 to write the code?
2017-01-04T13:56:21 < Spirit532> I could probably sell the entire camera WITHOUT the sensor(it's socketed) for around $60
2017-01-04T13:56:31 < Spirit532> that's what I got on very optimistic quotations
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2017-01-04T15:07:32 < jadew> I don't know if it's me, or that's just how freenode is, but whenever I join a new channel, there are 5 people instantly hating me
2017-01-04T15:09:01 < jadew> it's probably them
2017-01-04T15:10:21 < Steffanx> I hate you.
2017-01-04T15:10:52 < jadew> I have feelings for you too
2017-01-04T15:10:54 < Steffanx> East european and russians are all to be hated ;)
2017-01-04T15:11:00 < jadew> haha
2017-01-04T15:11:11 < Steffanx> Especially when exported to the US
2017-01-04T15:12:01 < jadew> if we had AI, his IRC client would be flashing now
2017-01-04T15:12:46 < zyp> I don't have time to hate anybody, got more useful stuff to do
2017-01-04T15:13:52 < jadew> I forget who they are anyway
2017-01-04T15:14:44 < jadew> but sometimes I know we've met in the past: "this guy seems to hate me from before"
2017-01-04T15:15:11 < zyp> maybe put less effort into making people hate you?
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2017-01-04T15:16:05 < jadew> I guess I should put more effort into not hurting people's feelings
2017-01-04T15:17:17 < zyp> heh
2017-01-04T15:18:45 < jadew> the pattern is like this: I hit an issue where all my options are crap so I go on a specialized channel and I ask if anyone knows of a proper solution
2017-01-04T15:19:13 < jadew> they then proceed to assume that I'm an idiot and/or start giving me wrong solutions
2017-01-04T15:19:30 < jadew> or solutions that I've already ruled out or didn't even think about, because of how stupid they are
2017-01-04T15:20:38 < jadew> when you start pointing out how all solutions are bad, they take it personally
2017-01-04T15:21:11 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eb5_1483466068
2017-01-04T15:22:13 < zyp> jadew, I wonder how that situation looks from the other perspective
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2017-01-04T15:22:43 < jadew> zyp, they think I'm an idiot
2017-01-04T15:23:10 < zyp> maybe you should stop comin across as an idiot then :)
2017-01-04T15:23:20 < jadew> it's not my fault they're stupid
2017-01-04T15:23:29 < zyp> haha
2017-01-04T15:23:34 < kakimir> jadew: you joined channel and did you talk before they started hating or did they instantly hate?
2017-01-04T15:23:40 < zyp> asking questions is an art
2017-01-04T15:24:01 < zyp> bad questions get bad answers
2017-01-04T15:24:11 < jadew> zyp, indeed, I guess for these types of questions I should build a little backstory
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2017-01-04T15:25:17 < kakimir> did you whine or something?
2017-01-04T15:25:21 < jadew> kakimir, of course they don't instantly hate me
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2017-01-04T15:25:46 < Laurenceb_> https://media.giphy.com/media/l2SpYOLmlLkKMYdZC/giphy.gif
2017-01-04T15:26:33 < zyp> Laurenceb_, what, have you switched from nsfw to cute stuff?
2017-01-04T15:27:02 < jadew> right, I didn't finish watching that video
2017-01-04T15:27:24 < jadew> oh crap
2017-01-04T15:35:51 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: they ded?
2017-01-04T15:36:09 < kakimir> laughters to cat gif
2017-01-04T15:37:38 < Laurenceb_> somehow I think the vid is fake
2017-01-04T15:38:49 < kakimir> it's gay to post fake vids Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-04T15:39:02 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-01-04T15:40:07 < jadew> my pliers just arrived
2017-01-04T15:40:22 < zyp> おめでとう
2017-01-04T15:42:08 < kakimir> I need some empty code to have breakpoint at the end of function so variables are still in memory
2017-01-04T15:42:26 < zyp> wat
2017-01-04T15:42:54 < zyp> just break before the return?
2017-01-04T15:43:08 < jadew> he probably doesn't have a return; :)
2017-01-04T15:43:12 < kakimir> coid function
2017-01-04T15:43:14 < kakimir> void
2017-01-04T15:43:18 < zyp> there's still a bx lr
2017-01-04T15:43:22 < zyp> break on that
2017-01-04T15:43:26 < jadew> yeah, probably an issue with the IDE
2017-01-04T15:43:50 < zyp> wtf is the point of an IDE if it doesn't let you debug properly?
2017-01-04T15:44:04 < kakimir> I try if it let's me to breakpoint empty line
2017-01-04T15:44:05 < zyp> I thought the point of an IDE was to let you debug easier
2017-01-04T15:44:22 < jadew> kakimir, try setting the breakpoint on }
2017-01-04T15:44:45 < jadew> I assumed you tried that
2017-01-04T15:45:03 < kakimir> okay it works on curly braces
2017-01-04T15:45:21 < kakimir> *brackets
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2017-01-04T15:55:21 < kakimir> debugger can't show macro values
2017-01-04T15:55:37 < kakimir> I get error -3201
2017-01-04T15:55:53 < jadew> they're not available to the debugger
2017-01-04T15:55:59 < jadew> the IDE should do that
2017-01-04T15:56:15 < kakimir> but ones compiled in binary as constants?
2017-01-04T15:56:30 < kakimir> should be able to show them like any constant
2017-01-04T15:56:35 < jadew> yeah, the debugger won't know their name
2017-01-04T15:56:35 < PaulFertser> with -ggdb3 all macros are available in gdb.
2017-01-04T15:56:41 < jadew> oh, didn't know that
2017-01-04T15:56:51 < kakimir> that's cool
2017-01-04T15:57:02 < kakimir> I play with VS though
2017-01-04T15:57:42 < jadew> kakimir, VS should know how their value even when you're not debuggin
2017-01-04T15:58:08 < kakimir> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/h9b001cb(v=vs.100).aspx
2017-01-04T15:59:07 < jadew> I think that's related to different kinds of macros
2017-01-04T16:00:20 < kakimir> I see
2017-01-04T16:00:36 < kakimir> these didn't make any sense
2017-01-04T16:01:50 < jadew> christmas loot: http://82.76.176.90/stuff/20170104_155336.jpg
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2017-01-04T16:02:22 < karlp> jadew, what are those knipex jaw things?
2017-01-04T16:02:23 < Spirit532> wheeehehehey
2017-01-04T16:02:29 < Spirit532> I think I just got the Lepton's I2C interface working
2017-01-04T16:02:30 < Spirit532> ish...?
2017-01-04T16:02:40 < jadew> karlp, enamel stripper :D
2017-01-04T16:02:40 < Spirit532> I.. apparently, can set the FFC correction mode to manual
2017-01-04T16:02:46 < Spirit532> so the shutter doesn't go clickety every... 20s?
2017-01-04T16:02:52 < Spirit532> but... I can't trigger an FFC...
2017-01-04T16:02:54 < Spirit532> so what the fooooook.
2017-01-04T16:03:25 < jadew> karlp, didn't test it yet
2017-01-04T16:05:01 < jadew> works great!
2017-01-04T16:05:05 < jadew> and the new pliers are awesome
2017-01-04T16:05:35 < jadew> they cut wire just as well as my flat cutting pliers
2017-01-04T16:08:43 < jadew> the enamel wire gave me so much grief until now
2017-01-04T16:09:07 < jadew> burning it, then scraping it with a cutter... just messy
2017-01-04T16:12:32 < karlp> what do you do with enameld wire so mcuh? make your own coils? or fixing your fuckups?
2017-01-04T16:12:42 < jadew> coils
2017-01-04T16:12:53 < jadew> various inductors for RF stuff
2017-01-04T16:25:26 < kakimir> can I somehow print macros outside of the program?
2017-01-04T16:25:34 < kakimir> compile time prints?
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2017-01-04T16:27:56 < karlp> #warning "blah" ##MACRONAME ?
2017-01-04T16:28:07 < karlp> maybe only one #?
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2017-01-04T16:34:36 < kakimir> double ## is that paste operator we talked about
2017-01-04T16:36:09 < Fleck> double ## is #### 
2017-01-04T16:36:31 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-04T16:36:39 < kakimir> there is #message
2017-01-04T16:38:34 < Spirit532> so I've decided to fuck it all
2017-01-04T16:38:41 < Spirit532> and just compile vendor code
2017-01-04T16:38:52 < Spirit532> at least that'll deal with I2C entirely
2017-01-04T16:38:58 < Spirit532> doesn't touch SPI though
2017-01-04T16:43:00 < kakimir> fatal error C1021: invalid preprocessor command 'warning'
2017-01-04T16:43:44 < kakimir> #pragma message is apparently preffered
2017-01-04T16:48:30 < kakimir> aand.. no message
2017-01-04T16:49:54 < jadew> what do you want? messages in the debug window? at runtime?
2017-01-04T16:50:07 < kakimir> build window
2017-01-04T16:51:16 < jadew> #pragme message works for me
2017-01-04T16:54:22 < dongs> whats the drama result
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2017-01-04T17:01:33 < kakimir> if I set #define BASE __COUNTER__
2017-01-04T17:01:51 < dongs> do #define ZERO 0
2017-01-04T17:01:52 < kakimir> is __COUNTER__ evaluated at the time
2017-01-04T17:04:45 < kakimir> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8754593/macro-evaluation-order
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2017-01-04T17:06:42 < kakimir> order of expansion may be the right term
2017-01-04T17:09:00 < zyp> #define TRUE 0
2017-01-04T17:09:23 < karlp> what is this, lua?
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2017-01-04T17:17:09 < zyp> haha, right
2017-01-04T17:17:19 < zyp> lua is the weird language with indexes starting at 1
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2017-01-04T17:46:45 < Spirit532_> nope
2017-01-04T17:46:49 < Spirit532_> vendor firmware is evil
2017-01-04T17:46:53 < Spirit532_> vendor code*
2017-01-04T17:46:58 < karlp> I was more commenting on this: $ lua -e 'x = 0; if x then print "hohoho" end'
2017-01-04T17:46:58 < karlp> hohoho
2017-01-04T17:47:06 < Spirit532_> I've decided to go the sinister route and just rip the bigger part of the fw off someone else
2017-01-04T17:47:06 < Spirit532_> ;^)
2017-01-04T17:47:16 < jpa-> zyp: and with builtin arrays but no builtin way to print them :)
2017-01-04T17:47:51 < karlp> jpa-: what, "for i,v in ipairs(array) do print(i,v) end" isn't "obvious and simple and built in" enough for you? ;)
2017-01-04T17:48:01 < jpa-> :)
2017-01-04T17:48:07 < karlp> this is why we have penlight.
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2017-01-04T18:48:40 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTH4tiKD5B8 sound
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2017-01-04T19:02:34 < kakimir> is it bad to redefine macro?
2017-01-04T19:02:56 < kakimir> like #define MACRO (MACRO-1)
2017-01-04T19:03:02 < kakimir> and is it even possible?
2017-01-04T19:03:20 < kakimir> when it comes to expansion order
2017-01-04T19:06:33 < Steffanx> Tried it?
2017-01-04T19:09:23 < kakimir> I miss wine
2017-01-04T19:12:56 < kakimir> but I don't spoil myself
2017-01-04T19:13:18 < Laurenceb> yo dawg
2017-01-04T19:14:43 < kakimir> how do I evaluate #define PARAM_CODING_COUNTER_BASE __COUNTER__
2017-01-04T19:14:48 < kakimir> right at the place
2017-01-04T19:15:05 < kakimir> into integer
2017-01-04T19:15:15 < kakimir> not as macro is used
2017-01-04T19:15:46 < kakimir> oh..
2017-01-04T19:15:55 < kakimir> I need a variable..
2017-01-04T19:16:02 < kakimir> real variable
2017-01-04T19:16:38 < kakimir> macros are purelly search-replace
2017-01-04T19:21:29 < kakimir> and I abadoned the whole idea then
2017-01-04T19:26:13 < Laurenceb> hmf n00bery
2017-01-04T19:26:17 < Laurenceb> I've broken ssh
2017-01-04T19:26:57 < Laurenceb> anyone know what "ForwardAgent"  does?
2017-01-04T19:27:02 < Laurenceb> in the config
2017-01-04T19:30:10 < jpa-> it means forwarding ssh agent for key based authentication
2017-01-04T19:30:31 < Laurenceb> Host <my domain>.*.*
2017-01-04T19:30:31 < Laurenceb> <Laurenceb>     UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null
2017-01-04T19:30:31 < Laurenceb> <Laurenceb>     StrictHostKeyChecking no
2017-01-04T19:30:31 < Laurenceb> <Laurenceb>     ForwardAgent no
2017-01-04T19:30:31 < Laurenceb> <Laurenceb> ^ I put that in ~/.ssh/config
2017-01-04T19:30:53 < jpa-> (which may improve security in the sense that the key never leaves your local machine, or it can compromise it in the sense that it gives all remote servers capability to impersonate you)
2017-01-04T19:31:09 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-01-04T19:32:49 < Laurenceb> but no closer to working out whats wrong :(
2017-01-04T19:33:24 < jpa-> what did you expect to happen?
2017-01-04T19:33:48 < Laurenceb> for the annoying botnet to be blocked and other machines on network to be allowed to connect
2017-01-04T19:33:48 < jpa-> and what did happen?
2017-01-04T19:33:53 < Laurenceb> everything is blocked
2017-01-04T19:34:09 < jpa-> umm, but that is just your client config..
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2017-01-04T19:35:12 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/10987835
2017-01-04T19:35:45 < jpa-> slowest pastebin evar
2017-01-04T19:35:59 < jpa-> so uh
2017-01-04T19:36:22 < jpa-> why are you trying to block things on the client side? o_O
2017-01-04T19:36:36 < Laurenceb> I dunno what I'm doing lol
2017-01-04T19:36:45 < Lux> Laurenceb: heh that just seems dumb
2017-01-04T19:37:07 < Laurenceb> ok how do I do this?
2017-01-04T19:37:26 < jpa-> block in your server firewall?
2017-01-04T19:37:33 < Laurenceb> basically I'm getting botnets trying to force the password
2017-01-04T19:37:36 < Laurenceb> not my network
2017-01-04T19:37:51 < Laurenceb> network admins would take over 9000 years to actually do anything
2017-01-04T19:39:08 < jpa-> um, but you have iptables on your server, right?
2017-01-04T19:39:14 < jpa-> you can also just install fail2ban and be done
2017-01-04T19:39:38 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-01-04T19:39:44 < Lux> also that has like nothing to do with your client config
2017-01-04T19:39:47 < Laurenceb> I guess first I should try to make ssh work again
2017-01-04T19:39:55 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-01-04T19:40:03 < Laurenceb> maybe thats not where the problem is then
2017-01-04T19:40:12 < Laurenceb> I donno wtf I'm doing lol
2017-01-04T19:40:19 < Laurenceb> should keep notes of changes
2017-01-04T19:40:20 < Lux> obviously ;)
2017-01-04T19:40:38 < jpa-> if that config was the problem, you would just remove it and it should work again
2017-01-04T19:41:17 < Lux> ya also just delete the known hosts file if you changed the server keys or even better just delete the entry that changed
2017-01-04T19:42:18 < Laurenceb> whats the known hosts file?
2017-01-04T19:42:36 < Lux> it keeps the fingerprints of the servers you connected to
2017-01-04T19:42:58 < Lux> so you'll be warned if some mitm attack is done
2017-01-04T19:44:44 < Laurenceb> not going well :9
2017-01-04T19:45:03 < Laurenceb> trying with -vv it might as well be dead
2017-01-04T19:45:11 < Laurenceb> nothing comign back
2017-01-04T19:46:17 < jpa-> so what did you do on the server?
2017-01-04T19:46:29 < Laurenceb> can't remeber :(
2017-01-04T19:46:48 < Laurenceb> can only remeber creating ~/.ssh/config
2017-01-04T19:47:05 < jpa-> scroll back in your terminal?
2017-01-04T19:47:19 < Laurenceb> heh this was before christmas
2017-01-04T19:47:47 < Laurenceb> time to delete everything and reboot
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2017-01-04T20:40:07 < ReadErr> it should tell you what line
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2017-01-04T20:44:34 < Laurenceb> ok fixed it, it was iptables
2017-01-04T20:44:40 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/n/res/496236.html I have no words
2017-01-04T20:45:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPu8QFs0TMc
2017-01-04T20:46:18 < Laurenceb> Phlips turned 8chan into a video channel
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2017-01-04T20:54:52 < kakimir> weird thing happens
2017-01-04T20:55:00 < kakimir> debugging just stops at function call
2017-01-04T20:55:27 < upgrdman_> ahhh fuck yes. for first real hack. simple, but it's my first! figured out how to communicate with the logitech mouse driver to force high-precision scrolling for my program.
2017-01-04T20:56:56 < kakimir> step in doesn't step in.. step out doesn't.. and so on but continue running the program
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2017-01-04T21:21:09 < kakimir> how to make while loop more distinct to debugger?
2017-01-04T21:22:15 < kakimir> in this case debugger failed to notice 1) entering an function 2) condition operation 3) while(1)
2017-01-04T21:22:35 < kakimir> it just sits at function call
2017-01-04T21:23:30 < zyp> kakimir, tried -Og?
2017-01-04T21:24:42 < kakimir> i have not changed it from Og
2017-01-04T21:24:50 < kakimir> myself directly at least
2017-01-04T21:25:00 < zyp> wat?
2017-01-04T21:25:13 < zyp> please elaborate
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2017-01-04T21:26:54 < Rickta59> which debugger kakimir ?
2017-01-04T21:28:17 < kakimir> MSVC
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2017-01-04T21:28:34 < Rickta59> * looks at topic ...
2017-01-04T21:28:44 < Rickta59> you are debugging stm32 code in MSVC?
2017-01-04T21:28:57 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-04T21:29:04 < kakimir> just developing modules
2017-01-04T21:29:17 < Rickta59> so the code is in x86 or arm?
2017-01-04T21:29:23 < kakimir> x86
2017-01-04T21:29:40 < Rickta59> i haven't used msvc in like 10 years
2017-01-04T21:29:54 < kakimir> okay I have set preffer fast code and intristic functions enabled
2017-01-04T21:30:05 < kakimir> last one off didn't change it
2017-01-04T21:30:12 < Rickta59> how does that help you write code for an stm32?
2017-01-04T21:30:34 < kakimir> easier debugging
2017-01-04T21:30:41 < Rickta59> i guess ...
2017-01-04T21:30:52 < Rickta59> i would turn off all optimization in that case
2017-01-04T21:30:58 < Rickta59> it will make debug easy
2017-01-04T21:31:13 < Rickta59> maybe turn on bounds checking
2017-01-04T21:31:37 < kakimir> no device, no server device, no network connection all way to client side
2017-01-04T21:31:42 < kakimir> just local shitte
2017-01-04T21:31:51 < Rickta59> it isn't like the optimized code in x86 is going to be the same as optimized arm code
2017-01-04T21:32:00 < kakimir> also I have turned inline any suitable on
2017-01-04T21:32:56 < kakimir> oh I have turned RTC off
2017-01-04T21:33:02 < Rickta59> RTC?
2017-01-04T21:33:06 < kakimir> run time checks
2017-01-04T21:33:20 < Rickta59> why if your whole point is to debug?
2017-01-04T21:33:44 < Rickta59> i would instrument that hell out of the code if that is your goal
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2017-01-04T21:34:25 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-04T21:34:36 < kakimir> because there is shit tonne of shit in this code
2017-01-04T21:34:58 < Rickta59> and the final goal is to run it on an stm32?
2017-01-04T21:35:24 < kakimir> also test runs take some crunch to cover the function at least partially
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2017-01-04T21:38:01 < Laurenceb> this is odd
2017-01-04T21:38:21 < Laurenceb> what causes an "undefined symbol" error at runtime from a c program?
2017-01-04T21:39:13 < Laurenceb> airspy_rx: symbol lookup error: airspy_rx: undefined symbol: airspy_get_samplerates
2017-01-04T21:40:07 < Rickta59> host program loading a shared library Laurenceb ?
2017-01-04T21:40:13 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-01-04T21:40:23 < Laurenceb> maybe a conflict with previous version of the library
2017-01-04T21:40:39 < kakimir> just parsing some shit and there is incompatibility in config file?
2017-01-04T21:41:10 < Rickta59> you wrote a function in c++ and a c program is attempting to load it?
2017-01-04T21:41:20 < englishman> lol i just noticed bvernoux parted after i highlighted him
2017-01-04T21:41:21 < Rickta59> * of course in shared libary
2017-01-04T21:43:23 < Laurenceb> I'm just trying to install airspy
2017-01-04T21:43:27 < Laurenceb> failing epically
2017-01-04T21:43:31 < Laurenceb> as usual
2017-01-04T21:43:36 < Rickta59> https://github.com/airspy/host/issues/17
2017-01-04T21:43:52 < Laurenceb> run now
2017-01-04T21:44:01 < Laurenceb> well a little bit further before next error
2017-01-04T21:45:12 < Laurenceb> the black hole of fail
2017-01-04T21:46:44 < Laurenceb> oh
2017-01-04T21:46:49 < Laurenceb> stupid opesores
2017-01-04T21:47:16 < Laurenceb> they made the driver just return generic error if you give a sample rate that the firmware doesnt like
2017-01-04T21:47:22 < Laurenceb> provious versions would round it
2017-01-04T21:47:40 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: http://www.wikihow.com/Get-a-Girlfriend-When-You're-Autistic
2017-01-04T21:48:36 < Laurenceb> moar like wikihow how to make software tools that are user friendly when you are an opensourcist
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2017-01-04T22:41:18 < KolK> Is semaphore safe if I want to protect buffer which is accessed by IRQ Handler and OS thread?
2017-01-04T22:42:26 < KolK> I see special version of functions operating on semaphores (FreeRTOS) which names' suffix is FromISR
2017-01-04T22:43:44 < Thorn> an ISR cannot wait for the thread to finish
2017-01-04T22:44:13 < Thorn> (and release the semaphore)
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2017-01-04T22:54:45 < Thorn> wtf, 9.5mA in sleep mode
2017-01-04T22:55:19 < Thorn> need to fuck with deep sleep and EXTI
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2017-01-04T23:37:19 < KolK> Thorn, I need to get USB frame, put it to buffer to process each time when USB interrupt occurs. Thread should process all frames in FIFO order.
2017-01-04T23:37:29 < KolK> How can I do it safe?
2017-01-04T23:39:44 < kakimir> first time run time checks kick in - stacks around variable X corrupted
2017-01-04T23:41:03 < kakimir> debugging modules locally has it's pros
2017-01-04T23:42:58 < kakimir> well corrupted stack will act out on mcu too doesn't it?
2017-01-04T23:50:38 < kakimir> I have used some auxilary string without concidering it may run out so at some point I started making it smaller to see what happens
2017-01-04T23:59:16 < kakimir> weird stuff I pass a string with size but then inside function set local variable to replace it
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2017-01-05T00:03:03 < kakimir> no it's for passing as parameter to subfunction but it has just /0 check for result
2017-01-05T00:03:38 < kakimir> \0*
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2017-01-05T00:14:28 < kakimir> I think shit is actually multifucked around this thing
2017-01-05T00:24:46 < kakimir> can malloc with not enought memory left cause anything fatal at the time or at the time when you try to use NULL pointer?
2017-01-05T00:42:29 < kakimir> there is 2 different functions that look almost exactly same but I end up editing the wrong one all the time
2017-01-05T00:43:08 < kakimir> good thing is that I then notice that changes I made also imply in another one
2017-01-05T00:47:53 < kakimir> *apply
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2017-01-05T00:54:58 < kakimir> I'm doing malloc() and I don't feel like I'm too sharp today.. hopefully doesn't proof to be bad combination afterwards
2017-01-05T00:55:07 < kakimir> malloc()s*
2017-01-05T00:55:47  * Laurenceb_ is very confuse
2017-01-05T00:55:48 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/vWuT84Yr
2017-01-05T00:56:01 < Laurenceb_> simple code modification fails 
2017-01-05T00:56:10 < Laurenceb_> line 15 is original
2017-01-05T00:56:29 < Laurenceb_> I wrote the other stuff which can be enabled
2017-01-05T00:56:50 < Laurenceb_> I end up with 2^16 zero samples in the file
2017-01-05T00:57:14 < Laurenceb_> bytes_to_write is uint32_t
2017-01-05T01:07:28 < c4017__> you're writing the first 4 bytes of pt_rx_buffer over and over?
2017-01-05T01:09:33 < Laurenceb_> lol yeah thats derptastic
2017-01-05T01:09:42 < Laurenceb_> but doesnt explain the weird behaviour
2017-01-05T01:09:57 < Laurenceb_> it must be somewhere else
2017-01-05T01:10:08 < Laurenceb_>  -  how this code interacts with the rest
2017-01-05T01:10:43 < c4017__> well nanoseconds must stay at zero somehow as well
2017-01-05T01:11:15 < Laurenceb_> oh wait I see what happens
2017-01-05T01:11:27 < Laurenceb_>  pt_rx_buffer is global
2017-01-05T01:12:18 < Laurenceb_> hmm no I dont see it being used to pass the amount of space in the buffer back
2017-01-05T01:12:21 < Laurenceb_> confusing
2017-01-05T01:17:27 < Laurenceb_> unless... the bug is in matlab
2017-01-05T01:17:47 < Laurenceb_> I should probably debug stuff one part at a time lol
2017-01-05T01:21:47 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah it is 
2017-01-05T01:23:18 < Laurenceb_> Iol I broke matlab wav importer
2017-01-05T01:43:47 < kakimir> is there comment keywords like TODO FIX FIXME AND XXX but instead of asking coder to do something keyword notes bafflement and maybe leaves an open question?
2017-01-05T01:46:42 < Laurenceb_> TODO: gas the $foo, $bar war now
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2017-01-05T02:29:07 < englishman> god damn openpnp is opensores make:r hell
2017-01-05T02:30:03 < englishman> they don't even have documentation for "automatic" feeders because you expected to use peeled tape glued to the ground or something
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2017-01-05T02:34:19 < stvn> they suck it off
2017-01-05T02:34:39 < stvn> where's spirit532
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2017-01-05T03:06:51 < upgrdman_> any web dev or networking pros in here? so with a websocket, you create a "connection" which results in a "session." with that session, you can then send messages to "remote endpoints" ... wouldnt it just be one remote endpoint -- the one you connected to?
2017-01-05T03:07:16 < upgrdman_> (why/when would there be >1 remote endpoints?)
2017-01-05T03:10:15 < stvn> ohsix is pro
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2017-01-05T03:27:23 < jadew> upgrdman, with multiple websockets you get multiple endpoints
2017-01-05T03:33:53 < upgrdman_> wut
2017-01-05T03:34:02 < upgrdman_> even if theres only one websocket
2017-01-05T03:34:33 < upgrdman_> hmm well
2017-01-05T03:34:44 < upgrdman_> maybe my websocket library is just confusing
2017-01-05T03:34:56 < upgrdman_> they make you do session.getRemoteEndpoint() shit
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2017-01-05T04:56:29 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/1iYGOwp
2017-01-05T04:57:28 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Hmm. Custom USB HID endpoint, or just shove a serial interface in
2017-01-05T04:58:04 < upgrdman> gamer fags love tn
2017-01-05T04:58:09 < upgrdman> i like the color of ips
2017-01-05T05:01:19 < englishman> fff this shitty psoc4000 has ***no*** logic gates
2017-01-05T05:01:23 < englishman> like not even NOT or a single mux
2017-01-05T05:01:31 < englishman> wtf is the point of psoc at all then????
2017-01-05T05:02:09 < upgrdman> black people be like  https://gfycat.com/AbsoluteLankyKentrosaurus
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2017-01-05T05:17:40 < upgrdman> seems ok i guess. but for me, i can never go <4k anymore
2017-01-05T05:23:29 < aandrew> $800 for 2560x1440? 
2017-01-05T05:23:34 < aandrew> seems ridiculously expensive
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2017-01-05T05:23:59 < aandrew> R2COM: maybe I know nothing about gaming
2017-01-05T05:24:04 < aandrew> but it seems obscene to me
2017-01-05T05:25:11 < aandrew> why did that woman light her crotch on fire?
2017-01-05T05:25:42 < stvn> aandrew, lol
2017-01-05T05:27:17 < stvn> can i lock my desktop to 144hz
2017-01-05T05:27:27 < stvn> or is it just for gaymin
2017-01-05T05:30:16 < stvn> fuck it
2017-01-05T05:30:31 < stvn> remember the good 75hz sony trinitron
2017-01-05T05:30:48 < stvn> every lcd i've used is fucking haggard
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2017-01-05T05:31:55 < stvn> SYDNEY’s biggest Islamic school has been stripped of $19 million a year in federal funding after a tribunal ruled the money had been misused.
2017-01-05T05:32:08 < stvn> next deportation for all
2017-01-05T05:35:01 < stvn> get the best one
2017-01-05T05:35:04 < stvn> fuck the price
2017-01-05T05:35:15 < stvn> is it even relevant?
2017-01-05T05:37:14 < stvn> l8r my friend
2017-01-05T05:46:11 < upgrdman> R2COM, was afk. at home i have 27" 4k60 and 55" 4k60. at work i have 24" 4k60, 20" 1080p60, 13" 3k60
2017-01-05T05:47:26 < stvn> here's my 4k workshop monitor - https://www.acer.com/ac/en/AU/content/model/UM.PB0SA.001
2017-01-05T05:47:42 < stvn> on a scale of 1 - 10 how bullshit do you think the 1ms response time figure is
2017-01-05T05:48:17 < upgrdman> 8
2017-01-05T05:48:52 < upgrdman> would be kinda need to see some 10000fps slow mo video of different panels
2017-01-05T05:48:58 < upgrdman> s/need/neat
2017-01-05T05:49:13 < stvn> ah yeah tru
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2017-01-05T06:17:26 < englishman> psoc4 notes
2017-01-05T06:17:27 < englishman> The first change is that clocks can only be used as clocks.  They cannot be used as data signals.  In PSoC 3 and 5LP this was possible, but discouraged.
2017-01-05T06:17:29 < englishman> wtf
2017-01-05T06:17:35 < englishman> why make your new shit even MORE useless
2017-01-05T06:17:38 < englishman> god damn this psoc shit
2017-01-05T06:17:40 < englishman> looks good on paper
2017-01-05T06:19:39 < englishman> lol @ $800 1440p monitor with builtin speakers
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2017-01-05T06:25:52 < englishman> R2COM: do you work for cypress
2017-01-05T06:27:41 < englishman> oh you do work for cypress
2017-01-05T06:28:09 < englishman> and i dont need help, im trashing this whole idea thanks to garbage parts
2017-01-05T06:28:15 < englishman> and going with stm32 probably
2017-01-05T06:28:58 < englishman> i dono why youre so fascinated with marginally faster monitors
2017-01-05T06:29:06 < englishman> for nonmarginally higher price
2017-01-05T06:29:13 < englishman> and significantly lower resolution
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2017-01-05T06:29:21 < englishman> sure
2017-01-05T06:29:26 < englishman> still 4ms GTG pixel rate
2017-01-05T06:29:51 < englishman> if you want it, get it
2017-01-05T06:29:54 < englishman> you didnt get the $5k laptop
2017-01-05T06:29:58 < englishman> you didnt get the mercedes
2017-01-05T06:31:38 < englishman> why don't you tell me
2017-01-05T06:31:41 < englishman> surely theres one on display
2017-01-05T06:33:20 < stvn> cum missile
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2017-01-05T06:34:33 < englishman> you could donate those old monitors to jadew
2017-01-05T06:35:00 < englishman> yes
2017-01-05T06:35:11 < englishman> his entire livelihood depends on that monitor
2017-01-05T06:36:12 < ohsix> borrowed a butt pir8
2017-01-05T06:36:22 < englishman> i have 7 atm
2017-01-05T06:36:32 < ohsix> laptop was in car, magnesium/alum case is below freezing lul
2017-01-05T06:36:44 < ohsix> sup fellas
2017-01-05T06:37:08 < ohsix> R2COM: if you want to actually test g2g on a monitor let me know
2017-01-05T06:37:12 < ohsix> i have the equipment to do it
2017-01-05T06:38:39 < englishman> dono i wouldnt buy 2k
2017-01-05T06:38:50 < ohsix> you're taking forever picking a monitor, and on the basis of marketing bullshit. i was implying you care, that you won't have it done, because i would be the one doing it, hahahah
2017-01-05T06:39:23 < englishman> my newest moniturds are 2560x1700 13" 60Hz
2017-01-05T06:39:26 < englishman> but they were only $35
2017-01-05T06:39:41 < ohsix> i saw a 4k tv that was p. big for like 350
2017-01-05T06:39:51 < ohsix> not a poop brand, but it wasn't lg and i can't think of what it was
2017-01-05T06:40:11 < ohsix> i'm gonna redo the veneer walls in tv's in here
2017-01-05T06:40:22 < ohsix> then i can do a black mirror room
2017-01-05T06:41:26 < englishman> i have some 10" too
2017-01-05T06:41:30 < englishman> just for chats and music and shit
2017-01-05T06:41:58 < ohsix> did it take you a month to pick which 10" one to get
2017-01-05T06:42:18 < englishman> too big
2017-01-05T06:42:22 < englishman> 24" is where its at
2017-01-05T06:42:39 < englishman> i dono, if it has new shitty gaymer tech, and you want it, get it
2017-01-05T06:42:58 < englishman> the next shitty gaymer tech will be out in 6months and you can get that too
2017-01-05T06:43:02 < englishman> pff
2017-01-05T06:43:19 < englishman> id agree
2017-01-05T06:43:30 < ohsix> get the best sync you can
2017-01-05T06:43:34 < ohsix> if it says it on the box, better
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2017-01-05T06:43:50 < englishman> just get the one with the highest number
2017-01-05T06:44:32 < englishman> you can thank lisa su
2017-01-05T06:44:39 < englishman> shes the hottest babe in tech right now
2017-01-05T06:44:48 < englishman> embracing opensores
2017-01-05T06:44:53 < englishman> making new fast chipz
2017-01-05T06:44:59 < englishman> kicking ass and taking names
2017-01-05T06:45:10 < englishman> you should meet up with her and ask her out
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2017-01-05T06:48:15 < ohsix> that thing i left to do actually didn't need to be done
2017-01-05T06:48:34 < ohsix> old folks jam microusb cables into shit and can't see, and force it and shit
2017-01-05T06:48:41 < ohsix> then they think they're broke (sometimes they are)
2017-01-05T06:49:34 < ohsix> think i got a free phone, need a smaller sim card though :\
2017-01-05T07:00:05 < englishman> 24" is good
2017-01-05T07:00:13 < englishman> think about the time lost moving your head from side to side
2017-01-05T07:00:21 < englishman> 24" means no head movements at all
2017-01-05T07:00:24 < englishman> just eye movement
2017-01-05T07:00:34 < englishman> with 28" your 144Hz is lost
2017-01-05T07:00:44 < englishman> your neck rate is much lower
2017-01-05T07:04:00 < englishman> one is better?
2017-01-05T07:04:02 < englishman> no idea
2017-01-05T07:04:08 < englishman> i get whatevers best
2017-01-05T07:04:18 < englishman> and forget about the details 0.5s after clicking buy
2017-01-05T07:07:33 < ohsix> howru englishchap
2017-01-05T07:07:37 < ohsix> going to be -22 here tonight
2017-01-05T07:09:47 < zyp> -10C or so here
2017-01-05T07:10:47 < ohsix> heheh i was talking with someone about the weather at the store, their eyes bugged out when i said -22
2017-01-05T07:10:51 < ohsix> 'centigrade, sorry'
2017-01-05T07:11:04 < ohsix> i'm a maverick
2017-01-05T07:11:25 < ohsix> it would be nice to be from some place that actually uses c tho
2017-01-05T07:12:33 < ohsix> it's a little scary
2017-01-05T07:12:50 < ohsix> when it is warmer (like -3) the snow melts onto you and it almost feels colder because of it
2017-01-05T07:13:33 < ohsix> after not feeling so bad in -15 for a few minutes, say for snow shoveling, it creeps up
2017-01-05T07:14:01 < ohsix> do cars specify what the minimum temp they work in is?
2017-01-05T07:14:21 < ohsix> i dunno if they did in 91, or for my car; seems if it gets too much lower i'd need different oil or something
2017-01-05T07:17:24 < zyp> why not?
2017-01-05T07:17:39 < englishman> id argue you cant do much at 45C either
2017-01-05T07:18:02 < zyp> there's a norwegian saying; «there's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes»
2017-01-05T07:18:14 < englishman> 10C is pretty bad weather for snowshoeing
2017-01-05T07:22:46 < ohsix> hrmph
2017-01-05T07:22:57 < ohsix> car is supposed to have 5w in it, chilton manual thing i have is wrong
2017-01-05T07:23:17 < zyp> 5w what?
2017-01-05T07:23:23 < ohsix> 30
2017-01-05T07:23:28 < zyp> ah, oil
2017-01-05T07:23:31 < ohsix> instead of 10
2017-01-05T07:23:33 < ohsix> ya
2017-01-05T07:23:44 < ohsix> 5 is less viscous, works in lower temperatures
2017-01-05T07:23:50 < zyp> right
2017-01-05T07:23:57 < zyp> I think my old car used 10w-40
2017-01-05T07:24:04 < ohsix> there's a valve or something ticking if i leave it running in park in this weather
2017-01-05T07:24:50 < zyp> ohsix, what car are you driving?
2017-01-05T07:25:34 < ohsix> 1991 ford escort lx with the 1.9l engine
2017-01-05T07:25:43 < ohsix> mazda in ford skin
2017-01-05T07:26:27 < zyp> haha
2017-01-05T07:26:28 < ohsix> my family are such fuckwits, that the first really shitty car i get is better than anything i'd yet driven regularly huhu, that car eats shit and asks for more
2017-01-05T07:27:00 < zyp> well, then it's still under warranty, right?
2017-01-05T07:27:05 < ohsix> had it in storage for like 7 years
2017-01-05T07:28:01 < zyp> well, if you bought a modern car like me, you wouldn't have problems like that :p
2017-01-05T07:28:26 < upgrdman> you poor bastards with real weather. it's "very cold" here for so cal. low temperature today is 14C. 
2017-01-05T07:28:36 < ohsix> guh defcon posted more videos
2017-01-05T07:28:37 < upgrdman> this winter weather ALMOST makes me reach for a light jacket
2017-01-05T07:29:08 < upgrdman> 16C
2017-01-05T07:29:29 < ohsix> what are the historical lows and at wat point of the year are they the lowest
2017-01-05T07:29:43 < ohsix> we've got mountains that makes the weather a little weird in bend
2017-01-05T07:30:25 < upgrdman> ohsix, dunno for sure. but it never snows. so coldest time of the year is prolly like 5C in the middle of the night
2017-01-05T07:30:39 < upgrdman> ya san fran is colder usually
2017-01-05T07:30:48 < upgrdman> R2COM, sux to be you in the summer.
2017-01-05T07:30:59 < upgrdman> they do you faggot
2017-01-05T07:31:03 < upgrdman> dell 24" 4k ips
2017-01-05T07:31:11 < upgrdman> o
2017-01-05T07:32:18 < upgrdman> ya. im not a pro gamer.
2017-01-05T07:32:27 < upgrdman> in fact, i kinda feel like gtav now
2017-01-05T07:32:35 < upgrdman> haven't games at all in weeks
2017-01-05T07:32:36 < ohsix> .
2017-01-05T07:32:39 < ohsix> s2 of fuller hosue!!111
2017-01-05T07:33:44 < upgrdman> thats no joke. i'd love 4k144.
2017-01-05T07:34:00 < upgrdman> dell was supposedly coming out with 4k120 OLED amazeballs monitor
2017-01-05T07:34:06 < upgrdman> but it never came out
2017-01-05T07:34:10 < upgrdman> such faggots
2017-01-05T07:35:07 < upgrdman> https://www.pcper.com/news/Displays/Dells-New-30-4K-120Hz-UP3017Q-OLED-Monitor-Coming-Soon
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2017-01-05T07:36:03 < upgrdman> im kinda pissed we havent progressed past 4k yet
2017-01-05T07:36:10 < upgrdman> like 5k should legit be common by now
2017-01-05T07:36:19 < upgrdman> and 8k should be early-adopter shit by now.
2017-01-05T07:36:20 < upgrdman> but no.
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2017-01-05T07:37:23 < upgrdman> only the dell iirc
2017-01-05T07:37:29 < upgrdman> and its gay as dual-dp
2017-01-05T07:37:34 < upgrdman> ass*
2017-01-05T07:46:40 < ohsix> eh really?
2017-01-05T07:46:54 < ohsix> 2k to 4k in the market seemed like 16 months or something really short
2017-01-05T07:47:15 < ohsix> as if samsung started making them, didn't see the uptake they wanted, then just did 4k
2017-01-05T07:47:27 < ohsix> probably would have kept going if sales didn't pick up
2017-01-05T07:52:24 < upgrdman> R2COM, that NEC trash of newegg? ya looks overpriced. and 60 -> 75 Hz doesn't seem like a good idea
2017-01-05T07:52:35 < dongs> http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/wd-blue-pc-ssd-wds250g1b0a-solid-state-drive-250-gb-internal-2-5-inch-sata-6gb-s/apd/a9301054/storage-drives-media
2017-01-05T07:52:36 < upgrdman> 60 -> 120 makes sense, easy to frame double 60fps video etc
2017-01-05T07:52:39 < dongs> attn ^
2017-01-05T07:53:01 < upgrdman> $20, wow
2017-01-05T07:53:11 < upgrdman> at first i was like... why do people still make 256GB SSDs
2017-01-05T07:53:19 < dongs> laff
2017-01-05T07:53:50 < ohsix> but upgrdman 60fps doesnt' make sense at all in the first place!!11
2017-01-05T07:54:04 < upgrdman> sure it does. double 30fps videos
2017-01-05T07:54:15 < ohsix> it's only the field rate of analog video
2017-01-05T07:54:25 < upgrdman> thats fine
2017-01-05T07:54:38 < ohsix> do you think people will be watching movies or tv on a computer
2017-01-05T07:55:02 < upgrdman> bottom like, i never see video camera that do 75Hz. 24/25/30/50/60 is common
2017-01-05T07:55:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, yes
2017-01-05T07:55:08 < ohsix> tv shows in 50/60fps are kewlweird
2017-01-05T07:55:17 < ohsix> 23.967
2017-01-05T07:55:20 < ohsix> bruh
2017-01-05T07:55:22 < ohsix> my fps
2017-01-05T07:55:49 < ohsix> https://vid.me/19W1
2017-01-05T07:57:43 < upgrdman> i wonder how private prison companies will do with trump in power
2017-01-05T07:57:50 < upgrdman> might be a good time to invest
2017-01-05T07:58:11 < upgrdman> R2COM, your tv isnt real 120hz i'd almost guarantee
2017-01-05T07:58:40 < upgrdman> prolly like "our liquid crystals can change at 120hz but we only drive them at 30hz. lolumad"
2017-01-05T07:59:10 < ohsix> there was an interesting article on ivtc and different presentation strategies with common multiples and junk
2017-01-05T07:59:42 < ohsix> upgrdman: it's made most bullshit by having to use motion interpolation to do it, so it's like some temporal smoothing
2017-01-05T07:59:54 < upgrdman> mhmm
2017-01-05T08:00:08 < ohsix> i'd be interested to know if it was rare that something that said 120hz wouldn't accept it from a computer
2017-01-05T08:00:32 < ohsix> does hdmi even do that
2017-01-05T08:01:13 < ohsix> people also ask 'how many hertz can go through an hdmi cable'
2017-01-05T08:01:21 < ohsix> it will be fun when a search engine guides english usage
2017-01-05T08:02:02 < englishman> wtf $20
2017-01-05T08:02:21 < englishman> is this going to die after 30gb writes
2017-01-05T08:02:27 < ohsix> what is 20$?
2017-01-05T08:02:58 < upgrdman> ohsix, dongs' dell sdd link
2017-01-05T08:03:02 < upgrdman> 250gb ssd
2017-01-05T08:03:14 < englishman> you can get 5 at that price
2017-01-05T08:03:16 < ohsix> o ah
2017-01-05T08:03:37 < upgrdman> which reminds me, only reason why i didnt buy a 200GB MICRO FUCKING SD CARD was because it seemed too small
2017-01-05T08:04:03 < upgrdman> why arent there 1tb micro sd shitz yet
2017-01-05T08:04:21 < upgrdman> or 4TB usb3 memory sticks 
2017-01-05T08:04:31 < ohsix> density not high enough yet
2017-01-05T08:04:39 < ohsix> naturally
2017-01-05T08:05:02 < ohsix> the stuff at a given capacity is overprovisioned, the flash size can be like 50% more than the label size
2017-01-05T08:05:26 < ohsix> can someone ask dongs if there's anything else as part of that sale or on dell.com worth grabbing
2017-01-05T08:05:38 < upgrdman> <ohsix> can someone ask dongs if there's anything else as part of that sale or on dell.com worth grabbing
2017-01-05T08:06:03 < ohsix> a+ chap
2017-01-05T08:08:49 < dongs> no  diea
2017-01-05T08:09:41 < englishman> hmm stm8s003f3 doesnt have any internal clock triggering
2017-01-05T08:09:50 < englishman> gotta waste 2 pins on it
2017-01-05T08:13:00 < ohsix> http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/nintendo/ar/8219?~ck=mn lolwut
2017-01-05T08:13:21 < zyp> R2COM, they have some good stuff
2017-01-05T08:13:25 < ohsix> englishman: doing anything neat?
2017-01-05T08:13:28 < kOStiX> i got a benq 24" 3d 120hz
2017-01-05T08:13:34 < kOStiX> works pretty good
2017-01-05T08:13:44 < zyp> I got a benq VA panel for some shit
2017-01-05T08:13:44 < ohsix> i have some of those, huhuh, no debugger thing in open sores so i don't think i'll ever use them
2017-01-05T08:14:35 < zyp> 1080p 27", but I'm not using it as a desktop monitor so that doesn't matter
2017-01-05T08:15:36 < dongs> <zyp> i use it only to play DDR
2017-01-05T08:15:57 < zyp> haha, no, but I think one of my friends actually do
2017-01-05T08:16:15 < zyp> he got like six of those around the same time I bought one
2017-01-05T08:16:34 < ohsix> thanks for the link dongz, hd in probook started being funny yesterday \m/ wasn't sure what i'd do
2017-01-05T08:17:20 < ohsix> neat they take paypal
2017-01-05T08:17:26 < ohsix> and bitcoin :(
2017-01-05T08:17:53 < dongs> got quote back from the gook camera
2017-01-05T08:18:08 < dongs> V1 
2017-01-05T08:18:09 < dongs> 5100000  krw 8.5mm
2017-01-05T08:18:09 < dongs> 4800000  krw 19mm
2017-01-05T08:18:41 < dongs> so 4.2-4.5k around for 640x480
2017-01-05T08:18:59 < dongs> 30fps
2017-01-05T08:19:04 < zyp> I got like 28000 krw somewhere, is that enough?
2017-01-05T08:19:14 < dongs> a couple zeros short
2017-01-05T08:19:20 < zyp> :(
2017-01-05T08:19:47 < dongs> i went to taiwan for that dickstarter shit and they paid me in TWD for my ticket
2017-01-05T08:19:59 < zyp> heh
2017-01-05T08:20:10 < dongs> so i got a bunch of useless shit I cant use here. wasted some at airport to buy junk and the rest just gonna be sittin here
2017-01-05T08:20:17 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-05T08:20:46 < zyp> that krw is leftovers from when I went there, got lots of digits but it's not worth enough to justify the exchange fee
2017-01-05T08:20:59 < dongs> pretty much
2017-01-05T08:21:33 < ohsix> looool trolls dragged Wendy's into some shit on twitter. sure is a fun medium for weird bullshit
2017-01-05T08:22:01 < zyp> was thinking I might as well keep it until next time, but I'm not sure when that'll be
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2017-01-05T08:23:46 < englishman> is there a crash course somewhere on midi
2017-01-05T08:23:47 < dongs> im sure youll find extra money to spend soon
2017-01-05T08:23:51 < dongs> like wat
2017-01-05T08:23:54 < englishman> something with multiple voices
2017-01-05T08:23:55 < englishman> like
2017-01-05T08:24:00 < ohsix> englishman: it's too easy
2017-01-05T08:24:04 < ohsix> oh you mean synthesis?
2017-01-05T08:24:06 < englishman> how do i take two channel .midi
2017-01-05T08:24:11 < englishman> and read it
2017-01-05T08:24:19 < englishman> never done this
2017-01-05T08:24:20 < dongs> oh oyu mean .mid data file format?
2017-01-05T08:24:23 < englishman> yes
2017-01-05T08:24:38 < ohsix> i did something with midi and mirc in like 96 huhuhuhu
2017-01-05T08:24:45 < englishman> something i can turn into an array of tones and delays etc
2017-01-05T08:24:49 < dongs> i think its called SMF or wahtever (standard midi file), should be specs / sores all over
2017-01-05T08:24:51 < ohsix> it didn't quite work cuz i was looking for titles at the beginning of the file
2017-01-05T08:25:04 < englishman> yeah just wondering if there is some blog or tutorial recommended
2017-01-05T08:25:11 < ohsix> k englishman i might be able to find something
2017-01-05T08:25:26 < dongs> its basicalyl just note on/noteoff /cc commands etc, i think acutually its probably simlar/or same to what midi shit ovber the wire happens
2017-01-05T08:25:29 < ohsix> midi is only slightly related, it's time base and synthesis junk; just one way to get it in there
2017-01-05T08:25:39 < englishman> yeah
2017-01-05T08:25:45 < englishman> my output has two voice channels
2017-01-05T08:25:47 < ohsix> gimme a bit
2017-01-05T08:25:50 < ohsix> bbiab
2017-01-05T08:25:50 < englishman> and i want to use both
2017-01-05T08:26:00 < englishman> so something slightly nicer than beep tones
2017-01-05T08:26:22 < dongs> use .mod files.
2017-01-05T08:26:24 < dongs> fuck midi
2017-01-05T08:26:39 < englishman> its going in 8k flash on stm8s003f3
2017-01-05T08:26:45 < ohsix> http://sensorium.github.io/Mozzi/examples/ you could look at this junk
2017-01-05T08:26:52 < dongs> oh
2017-01-05T08:27:13 < dongs> http://www.archduke.org/midi/
2017-01-05T08:27:14 < dongs> done
2017-01-05T08:27:36 < englishman> yes
2017-01-05T08:27:38 < englishman> perfect
2017-01-05T08:27:43 < englishman> ##stm32 to the rescue
2017-01-05T08:27:53 < englishman> built on windows
2017-01-05T08:27:57 < englishman> so you know its fucking pro
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2017-01-05T08:28:54 < englishman> ^ script to quit on mentions of midi
2017-01-05T08:29:30 < ohsix> that's neat
2017-01-05T08:29:34 < ReadErr> http://www.archduke.org/midi/mid2asc.c
2017-01-05T08:29:37 < ReadErr> dear god
2017-01-05T08:29:50 < ReadErr> dont look dongs
2017-01-05T08:29:51 < ohsix> there's something similar for mods/and i think midi on the lunix huhu
2017-01-05T08:31:24 < englishman> dongs i 'used' openpnp today
2017-01-05T08:31:35 < englishman> in that i raged for 2-3 hours and went back to chinatrash
2017-01-05T08:31:39 < dongs> what was the time-to-shift-del
2017-01-05T08:31:43 < dongs> ah, 2-3 hours not bad
2017-01-05T08:31:58 < englishman> there is not even documentation of 'automatic feeders' because they dont expect anyone to use them
2017-01-05T08:32:26 < englishman> the java applet is the slowest piece of shit i have ever seen
2017-01-05T08:32:48 < ReadErr> app was plenty fine speed wise here
2017-01-05T08:33:01 < ReadErr> people are using automatic feeders too
2017-01-05T08:33:38 < dongs> < englishman> there is not even documentation on anything because they dont expect anyone to use this shit
2017-01-05T08:33:42 < dongs> ftfy
2017-01-05T08:33:46 < englishman> come on
2017-01-05T08:33:53 < englishman> this is a lunix opensores project
2017-01-05T08:33:58 < englishman> there is shitloads of documentation
2017-01-05T08:34:02 < dongs> oh?
2017-01-05T08:34:07 < englishman> about irrelevant shit
2017-01-05T08:34:26 < dongs> did they give you a choice of several distros to install
2017-01-05T08:34:30 < dongs> OPENPNPLUNIX
2017-01-05T08:34:43 < dongs> changes from ubunto: differnt screen background and green color scheme
2017-01-05T08:34:47 < englishman> it has problems understanding multiple z and a axes
2017-01-05T08:34:53 < ReadErr> wat
2017-01-05T08:35:00 < ReadErr> everyone runs 2 heads atleast
2017-01-05T08:35:02 < ReadErr> one guy had 8
2017-01-05T08:35:10 < englishman> heads or nozzles
2017-01-05T08:35:13 < ReadErr> heads
2017-01-05T08:35:18 < englishman> wat
2017-01-05T08:35:22 < ReadErr> ive run 2
2017-01-05T08:35:49 < englishman> why
2017-01-05T08:35:54 < englishman> dongs proshit is 1 head
2017-01-05T08:36:00 < englishman> and
2017-01-05T08:36:01 < englishman> why
2017-01-05T08:36:10 < ReadErr> because the assembly came with 2
2017-01-05T08:36:11 < englishman> when you have to glue peeled tape to the ground
2017-01-05T08:36:15 < englishman> would you have 2 heads
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2017-01-05T08:36:23 < dongs> actually mine can have 2 heads. i had a dispenser in one but it was useless so i took it out
2017-01-05T08:36:24 < ReadErr> to pick 2 parts 
2017-01-05T08:36:31 < englishman> yea
2017-01-05T08:36:33 < englishman> so nozzles
2017-01-05T08:36:34 < ReadErr> or pick different parts
2017-01-05T08:36:36 < ReadErr> w/ diff nozzles
2017-01-05T08:36:41 < Rob235> $21 for practical electronics for inventors.  good buy?
2017-01-05T08:36:48 < ReadErr> Rob235: meh
2017-01-05T08:36:52 < ReadErr> lame book
2017-01-05T08:36:59 < ReadErr> read though it on safari 
2017-01-05T08:37:01 < Rob235> art of electronics better?
2017-01-05T08:37:08 < dongs> readcloner doesnt invent
2017-01-05T08:37:13 < ReadErr> completely different books
2017-01-05T08:37:17 < Rob235> doesn't seem as noob friendly
2017-01-05T08:37:52 < dongs>  < Rob235> $21 for practical electronics for kickstarter creators.  good buy?
2017-01-05T08:37:55 < ReadErr> art of electronics is like the machinery handbook
2017-01-05T08:38:04 < Rob235> I just want to learn how basics work and understand what I'm doing with different components like transistors and various ICs and whatnot
2017-01-05T08:38:12 < ReadErr> practical electronics for inventors is like "Idiots guide to ______"
2017-01-05T08:38:26 < ReadErr> or w/e the dummies books are
2017-01-05T08:38:32 < ReadErr> ____ for dummies
2017-01-05T08:38:34 < Rob235> so have any recommendations?
2017-01-05T08:38:41 < ReadErr> grab a pdf of both
2017-01-05T08:38:45 < ReadErr> and look through them
2017-01-05T08:38:51 < dongs> installing lunix for dummies
2017-01-05T08:39:16 < Rob235> I already have them but I might be limited to physical book so thought Id buy one
2017-01-05T08:39:39 < Rob235> 20 bucks is nothing, if its worth skimming over its probably worth buying
2017-01-05T08:39:45 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-05T08:39:50 < englishman> or you can get 40 stm8s
2017-01-05T08:39:51 < ohsix> i can probably get funding to build an openpnp thing
2017-01-05T08:40:04 < englishman> 80 if you look a bit
2017-01-05T08:40:16 < ReadErr> lol theres someone from #LRH in the openpnp channel
2017-01-05T08:40:26 < dongs>  
2017-01-05T08:40:41 < Rob235> thanks for the help. i'm going to order it...
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2017-01-05T08:41:40 < ohsix> Rob235: that practical electronics for inventors is good
2017-01-05T08:42:01 < ReadErr> oh dope, always sunny started back
2017-01-05T08:42:03 < Rob235> i read over the TOC and it sounds like a good outline of what I want to learn
2017-01-05T08:42:26 < ohsix> ReadErr: you didn't notice all the memes going around? huhu
2017-01-05T08:42:31 < ohsix> guerilla branding
2017-01-05T08:42:53 < ReadErr> i dont *chan
2017-01-05T08:43:30 < ohsix> me neither
2017-01-05T08:43:33 < ohsix> they were all over
2017-01-05T08:43:41 < ohsix> Rob235: let me make sure it's the right one i guess huhuhu
2017-01-05T08:43:46 < englishman> man audio is so slow
2017-01-05T08:43:50 < Rob235> 1259587541
2017-01-05T08:43:55 < ReadErr> i use the irc filter
2017-01-05T08:43:56 < Rob235> isbn
2017-01-05T08:44:00 < ReadErr> irc meme filter
2017-01-05T08:44:05 < Rob235> amazon has it brand new for 21 or something, cheaper than half.com
2017-01-05T08:44:08 < dongs> englishman: wat audio
2017-01-05T08:44:13 < englishman> like 1khz
2017-01-05T08:44:16 < englishman> sometimes 3khz
2017-01-05T08:44:20 < englishman> so slow
2017-01-05T08:44:28 < ohsix> it has to move flesh around
2017-01-05T08:44:35 < ohsix> https://www.amazon.com/Motors-Makers-Steppers-Electrical-Machines/dp/0134032837/ref=pd_sbs_14_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=G2H5TW4W1Z75E7FV49MH huhuh someone bought this, it's p. good too
2017-01-05T08:44:57 < ohsix> these 'for makers' books are wank, but this one includes a lot of math and stuff
2017-01-05T08:44:58 < englishman> 3khz is already annoyingly high pitch
2017-01-05T08:45:06 < englishman> yet trivial to clock out
2017-01-05T08:45:39 < dongs> you can do it in a while(1)
2017-01-05T08:45:50 < englishman> you can do it with nops
2017-01-05T08:46:52 < ohsix> Rob235: these books aren't like textbooks, but they are shit you'll be going back to all the time
2017-01-05T08:48:01 < Rob235> yea, I think I've gotten a decent basic grasp of things so I think this is a good next step for me
2017-01-05T08:48:38 < dongs> why do books when you can just ask on ##electronics
2017-01-05T08:48:40 < dongs> about your avr questions
2017-01-05T08:50:32 < englishman> dongs i tried to like psoc, i really tried
2017-01-05T08:50:37 < englishman> but it sucks
2017-01-05T08:50:37 < jpa-> Rob235 can't use AVR anymore because he needs 4MB of ram with 100GB/s bandwidth
2017-01-05T08:50:48 < Rob235> haha dude that was for one thing
2017-01-05T08:50:48 < englishman> at every turn there's some easy feature they didnt implement
2017-01-05T08:50:55 < Rob235> damn trolls :P
2017-01-05T08:50:55 < englishman> or some problem that stops shit from working
2017-01-05T08:51:08 < englishman> and now r2com works there
2017-01-05T08:51:09 < englishman> they are doomed
2017-01-05T08:51:14 < englishman> i will buy long shorts
2017-01-05T08:51:26 < Rob235> where does r2com work?
2017-01-05T08:51:47 < Rob235> poor company
2017-01-05T08:51:55 < englishman> yes
2017-01-05T08:52:36 < zyp> r2com works at cypress?
2017-01-05T08:52:44 < Rob235> I wonder if he got fired for racist and homophobic comments yet or for being inept
2017-01-05T08:53:08 < jpa-> *got hired for
2017-01-05T08:53:38 < Rob235> man, I took some xanax tonight to fall asleep early and now I just feel nice and relaxed but not tired enough
2017-01-05T08:53:52 < zyp> jpa-, so what do you think about «my summer car», is that an accurate finland simulator?
2017-01-05T08:55:02 < ohsix> hyraulic press channel dude said it was
2017-01-05T08:55:12 < ReadErr> The Mick S01E01 Pilot 1080p WEB-DL DD5 1 H 264-NTb 
2017-01-05T08:55:17 < ReadErr> heh thought this was The Knick ;(
2017-01-05T08:55:34 < dongs> zyp, is that who is in arizona?
2017-01-05T08:55:46 < zyp> dongs, hmm?
2017-01-05T08:56:22 < jpa-> zyp: i haven't played it but AFAIK yes, it is pretty much correct (it even has a sauna)
2017-01-05T08:56:31 < englishman> heh
2017-01-05T08:57:16 < zyp> me neither, but it looks hilarious
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2017-01-05T09:01:03 < ReadErr> r2com
2017-01-05T09:01:13 < ReadErr> is in az 
2017-01-05T09:01:32 < Rob235> book ordered, yay 
2017-01-05T09:03:51 < Rob235> bed time, pz out cubscouts
2017-01-05T09:04:04 < ohsix> heh shows that  are put out all at once, or to binge on, have really bad pacing :<
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2017-01-05T09:04:56 < ohsix> can't even decide if something is bullshit until i've sunk $hours
2017-01-05T09:05:39 < ohsix> lul guy in The OA uses a dso nano
2017-01-05T09:06:36 < jpa-> there was also a dso quad in "The 100"
2017-01-05T09:07:11 < ohsix> neat
2017-01-05T09:07:26 < ohsix> oscilloscopes do look neat
2017-01-05T09:07:59 < ReadErr> the oa ?
2017-01-05T09:08:13 < ohsix> nutflix show
2017-01-05T09:08:25 < ohsix> 3 episodes in and it is pretty bs
2017-01-05T09:11:02 < ReadErr> dongs axed if you where in az
2017-01-05T09:11:28 < ReadErr> or zyp asked if you worked at cypress
2017-01-05T09:11:31 < dongs> ^
2017-01-05T09:13:08 < dongs> haha.
2017-01-05T09:16:02 < dongs> never heard of htem
2017-01-05T09:21:00 < dongs> dell gaming, haha
2017-01-05T09:21:32 < englishman> placing market order for long puts on $CY now
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2017-01-05T09:27:17 < dongs> Enter the Cypress-Hackster IoT Design Contest
2017-01-05T09:27:18 < dongs> Bring your PSoC IoT design to life with the
2017-01-05T09:27:18 < dongs> PSoC Analog Coprocessor Design Challenge!
2017-01-05T09:27:31 < upgrdman> wuts a long put
2017-01-05T09:29:00 < englishman> upgrdman: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=long+puts
2017-01-05T09:29:41 < englishman> it means, $CY goes down, i make money
2017-01-05T09:29:46 < englishman> but 100x more money than shorting
2017-01-05T09:30:00 < dongs> wtf is $CY
2017-01-05T09:30:02 < dongs> chinese yens?
2017-01-05T09:30:04 < dongs> or cypress
2017-01-05T09:30:06 < englishman> cypress semi
2017-01-05T09:30:08 < dongs> o
2017-01-05T09:30:28 < jadew> I still don't understand what a long put is
2017-01-05T09:30:43 < englishman> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%24CY
2017-01-05T09:30:43 < jadew> what's a put option?
2017-01-05T09:30:53 < englishman> exactly that
2017-01-05T09:30:54 < jadew> what's an option?
2017-01-05T09:31:08 < englishman> an option is the right to buy or sell stock at a later date for a certain price
2017-01-05T09:31:13 < englishman> it is a contract
2017-01-05T09:31:20 < englishman> a put option is a contract to sell shares
2017-01-05T09:32:09 < jadew> is the price set beforehand?
2017-01-05T09:32:16 < englishman> yes at the time you purchase the contract
2017-01-05T09:32:21 < jadew> I see
2017-01-05T09:32:22 < englishman> as it affects the price of the contract
2017-01-05T09:32:44 < englishman> this 'final' price is the strike price
2017-01-05T09:32:56 < englishman> the share price the contract is for
2017-01-05T09:34:01 < englishman> so when you trade stock you make a bet
2017-01-05T09:34:06 < englishman> i bet that $CY will go down
2017-01-05T09:34:10 < upgrdman> can these contracts be bought through etrade, scottrade, etc?
2017-01-05T09:34:24 < englishman> so i buy a put option at a high strike price
2017-01-05T09:34:39 < jadew> can you do this stuff online?
2017-01-05T09:34:41 < englishman> for a contract that expires a long time from now
2017-01-05T09:34:45 < englishman> yes online
2017-01-05T09:34:47 < jadew> without having to talk to a guy?
2017-01-05T09:34:51 < englishman> no talking
2017-01-05T09:34:56 < jadew> interesting
2017-01-05T09:35:00 < jadew> I'm good at games
2017-01-05T09:35:00 < englishman> i dono about usa shit upgrdman 
2017-01-05T09:35:04 < dongs> but c an you pay with buttcoin
2017-01-05T09:35:04 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-05T09:35:05 < englishman> i hear robinhood is good
2017-01-05T09:35:26 < englishman> so if the stock drops below the strike price before the contract is over
2017-01-05T09:35:35 < englishman> example
2017-01-05T09:35:38 < englishman> $CY drops to $5
2017-01-05T09:35:46 < englishman> my put contract is for $10
2017-01-05T09:35:57 < englishman> in march 2017
2017-01-05T09:36:13 < englishman> i buy shares of $CY at market price of $5
2017-01-05T09:36:20 < englishman> thanks to my contract i can sell them at $10
2017-01-05T09:36:41 < englishman> i paid $0.1 for the contract so my profit is $4.9
2017-01-05T09:36:44 < stvn> stm32
2017-01-05T09:37:07 < dongs> $4.9 canadian dollars
2017-01-05T09:37:10 < englishman> no
2017-01-05T09:37:12 < englishman> $CY is usd
2017-01-05T09:37:26 < englishman> so $1488 canadian dollars
2017-01-05T09:37:42 < englishman> however
2017-01-05T09:37:50 < englishman> if $CY does not drop as low as i thought
2017-01-05T09:37:58 < englishman> maybe r2com actually does something useful in his life
2017-01-05T09:38:03 < englishman> i lost the bet
2017-01-05T09:38:19 < englishman> my exposure is only $0.1
2017-01-05T09:38:46 < stvn> good morning Steffan
2017-01-05T09:39:22 < jadew> englishman, that sounds too good to be true
2017-01-05T09:39:25 < dongs> 2017 cypress will make a 240hz gaming monitor
2017-01-05T09:39:31 < englishman> jadew: sure
2017-01-05T09:39:41 < englishman> but what is the chance the stock will drop?
2017-01-05T09:39:48 < englishman> this affects the price of the share
2017-01-05T09:39:50 < dongs> in current tech stocks?
2017-01-05T09:39:51 < englishman> rather
2017-01-05T09:39:52 < dongs> pretty high
2017-01-05T09:39:53 < englishman> the contract
2017-01-05T09:40:00 < englishman> you are betting against the person selling the contract
2017-01-05T09:40:06 < englishman> i have insider information
2017-01-05T09:40:10 < englishman> r2com works for cypress!
2017-01-05T09:40:14 < englishman> they are doomed!
2017-01-05T09:40:19 < englishman> so i will bet against them
2017-01-05T09:40:47 < englishman> if you lose the bet, the seller of the contract makes money for doing nothing
2017-01-05T09:41:01 < upgrdman> r2cum really works for cypress semi?
2017-01-05T09:41:41 < stvn> englishcat
2017-01-05T09:41:58 < englishman> yes i am doing this on my laptop with a cat on me
2017-01-05T09:42:06 < englishman> thats a 60hz 4k laptop
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2017-01-05T09:43:07 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-05T09:44:05 < Spirit532> hired an indian freelancer
2017-01-05T09:44:17 < Spirit532> he said he'll get it done in 15 days, and didn't ask for payment upfront
2017-01-05T09:44:18 < englishman> ^ this is another type of bet
2017-01-05T09:44:22 < Spirit532> let's see where this goes
2017-01-05T09:44:24 < Spirit532> is is indeed
2017-01-05T09:45:18 < Spirit532> though in good news
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2017-01-05T09:45:23 < Spirit532> I'll have time to kill
2017-01-05T09:45:32 < Spirit532> because my camera is about to fly out of the US
2017-01-05T09:45:36 < Spirit532> or already has...
2017-01-05T09:45:40 < dongs> Spirit532: link to freecancer for your project
2017-01-05T09:45:52 < Spirit532> a guy applied to my post on upwork
2017-01-05T09:45:55 < Spirit532> no link
2017-01-05T09:46:01 < dongs> oh upwork
2017-01-05T09:46:05 < dongs> i dont have account there
2017-01-05T09:46:09 < dongs> i only troll on freecancer
2017-01-05T09:46:30 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/PCB-Schematic-Design-Development/ $9/hr
2017-01-05T09:46:33 < dongs> k
2017-01-05T09:46:38 < Spirit532> they refused to acept my paypal account too
2017-01-05T09:46:43 < stvn> have you sent it yet Spirit532 
2017-01-05T09:46:51 < Spirit532> but the indian guy accepted direct pp payment
2017-01-05T09:46:53 < englishman> jadew: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CY/options?p=CY&date=1489708800
2017-01-05T09:46:54 < ohsix> 15 days :D
2017-01-05T09:47:07 < Spirit532> I mean, I don't doubt he'll get something working
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2017-01-05T09:47:21 < Spirit532> but what he will get working
2017-01-05T09:47:22 < Spirit532> and how well
2017-01-05T09:47:25 < Spirit532> is another question entirely
2017-01-05T09:47:28 < englishman> so here, volume is very low, people are betting the stock will stay the same or rise
2017-01-05T09:47:39 < englishman> they are optimistic
2017-01-05T09:47:43 < stvn> Spirit532, have you uploaded it for me
2017-01-05T09:47:47 < Spirit532> never
2017-01-05T09:47:53 < Spirit532> you don't want to do anything
2017-01-05T09:47:54 < englishman> put options are very cheap
2017-01-05T09:47:56 < stvn> how am i going to do it then
2017-01-05T09:48:17 < jadew> englishman, I'll have to look into it, it sounds interesting
2017-01-05T09:48:30 < englishman> jadew: it's more than that, it's an industry, the largest in usa
2017-01-05T09:48:30 < Spirit532> but you're not going to do anything
2017-01-05T09:48:33 < jadew> how much money do I have to put into it to start playing?
2017-01-05T09:48:41 < Spirit532> that, and the indian guy has the 150 "in escrow"
2017-01-05T09:48:46 < stvn> Spirit532, have you sent me the hardware now
2017-01-05T09:48:50 < stvn> i am the indian
2017-01-05T09:48:51 < Spirit532> never ever will I
2017-01-05T09:48:52 < Spirit532> :^)
2017-01-05T09:49:04 < englishman> depends on your broker, options fees can be pretty expensive at like $25
2017-01-05T09:49:12 < englishman> take whatever you want to spend at the roulette table
2017-01-05T09:49:16 < englishman> burn it
2017-01-05T09:49:23 < englishman> then take the same amount of money
2017-01-05T09:49:27 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-05T09:49:31 < englishman> and use that for trading
2017-01-05T09:49:32 < stvn> burn it to cd
2017-01-05T09:49:44 < jadew> I'd spend 0 at the roulette
2017-01-05T09:50:02 < jadew> I'll give it a try this year
2017-01-05T09:50:11 < englishman> then you do not want to spend any more than that on online gambling
2017-01-05T09:50:12 < stvn> yeah i bet on black
2017-01-05T09:50:22 < englishman> roulette has better oods
2017-01-05T09:50:36 < englishman> unless you have insider information such as knowing r2com's employer
2017-01-05T09:51:17 < englishman> also keep in mind option contracts are for 100 shares
2017-01-05T09:51:45 < englishman> so that $1.07 to sell at $11 is immediatly $107 plus fees
2017-01-05T09:51:50 < ohsix> ReadErr: yea don't watch this. in ep4 you learn what the A is
2017-01-05T09:51:57 < englishman> then you need to actually buy those shares if the finish in the money
2017-01-05T09:52:06 < englishman> so thats $1100
2017-01-05T09:52:21 < englishman> plus fees
2017-01-05T09:52:44 < jadew> I'll have to try it on paper first
2017-01-05T09:53:03 < englishman> oh yeah there's a lot of virtual gambling sites
2017-01-05T09:53:08 < englishman> like fantasy football
2017-01-05T09:53:10 < jadew> if it doesn't turn out to be a 50/50 gamble, I'll put money on it, otherwise no
2017-01-05T09:53:36 < jadew> I don't like gambling
2017-01-05T09:53:53 < ohsix> ReadErr: i thought there might be a cool russian folklore thing, but noooooope
2017-01-05T09:53:57 < englishman> well thats all the stock market is
2017-01-05T09:53:57 < jadew> but if you can make the odds higher than 50/50, then it's just statistics
2017-01-05T09:53:59 < stvn> i don't like gambling
2017-01-05T09:54:06 < stvn> i lost me $6
2017-01-05T09:54:11 < stvn> that was the end 
2017-01-05T09:54:21 < englishman> except you are betting against billions and billions of dollars of companies better off than you with better computers
2017-01-05T09:54:49 < jadew> I lost a couple of billion ISK in eve online and that clued me in on how gambling is
2017-01-05T09:54:53 < englishman> lol
2017-01-05T09:54:54 < englishman> :)
2017-01-05T09:55:09 < jadew> stopped playing eve altogether afterwards :P
2017-01-05T09:55:11 < stvn> they're onto me
2017-01-05T09:56:04 < englishman> remember all that money you lost went to someone else
2017-01-05T09:56:09 < englishman> it can go both ways
2017-01-05T09:56:11 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/yf6oux5.jpg
2017-01-05T09:56:14 < englishman> example
2017-01-05T09:56:51 < stvn> pork shoulders
2017-01-05T09:57:10 < jadew> yeah, sounds like I should stay away from this
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2017-01-05T10:07:13 < Spirit532> I want to get into trading
2017-01-05T10:07:22 < Spirit532> but the barrier to entry into for-serious trading is tens of thousands
2017-01-05T10:07:25 < Spirit532> and it's nasty
2017-01-05T10:07:37 < englishman> the safe bet is the losing bet
2017-01-05T10:07:50 < Spirit532> I mean, there are stock options
2017-01-05T10:07:52 < Spirit532> but those are a scam
2017-01-05T10:07:57 < ohsix> haha
2017-01-05T10:07:58 < Spirit532> and generally are gambling
2017-01-05T10:08:07 < englishman> as a canadian once said
2017-01-05T10:08:07 < Spirit532> or, er
2017-01-05T10:08:09 < Spirit532> binary options
2017-01-05T10:08:17 < Spirit532> the "guess where the stock will go next" game
2017-01-05T10:08:18 < englishman> you miss 100% of the shots you dont take
2017-01-05T10:08:20 < ohsix> why don't you just do it and keep track of your 'money'
2017-01-05T10:08:56 < ohsix> if you use historical data and are careful you can compress a few years of hypothesis / trading tests
2017-01-05T10:09:27 < ohsix> or ... there are stochastic models, you can create your own charts/companies and trade those
2017-01-05T10:09:46 < jpa-> Spirit532: so what kind of "for-serious trading" are you thinking that wouldn't be gambling?
2017-01-05T10:09:54 < Spirit532> jpa-, y'know
2017-01-05T10:09:58 < Spirit532> looking at historical data
2017-01-05T10:09:59 < Spirit532> equity
2017-01-05T10:10:24 < jpa-> everyone is already doing that for you, the market price is the best estimate
2017-01-05T10:10:37 < jpa-> just buy and hold
2017-01-05T10:10:56 < stvn> i'm so excited
2017-01-05T10:11:07 < ohsix> and read the chance cards from monopoly
2017-01-05T10:11:32 < englishman> buying and holding $CY is a losing bet
2017-01-05T10:11:39 < englishman> and im taking that bet
2017-01-05T10:11:49 < jpa-> "$CY"?
2017-01-05T10:11:50 < englishman> fuck psoc
2017-01-05T10:11:53 < jpa-> ah
2017-01-05T10:12:05 < jpa-> funny that they have $ in the ticker symbol
2017-01-05T10:13:25 < ohsix> psoc is old news isn't it?
2017-01-05T10:13:35 < ohsix> i've got psoc1 boards somewhere
2017-01-05T10:13:36 < jpa-> so is stm32
2017-01-05T10:13:51 < englishman> ah yes its 2017
2017-01-05T10:13:53 < ohsix> i've seen st parts in things
2017-01-05T10:13:57 < englishman> stm32f1's 10th birthday
2017-01-05T10:14:19 < ohsix> 11th?
2017-01-05T10:14:19 < englishman> still more relevant than todays psoc
2017-01-05T10:14:43 < ohsix> i was looking at press releases about the f1 a few days ago huhu
2017-01-05T10:16:54 < ohsix> ah pr was 2006, sales in 2007
2017-01-05T10:17:12 < dongs> is there a nas with real hardware raid processor
2017-01-05T10:17:15 < dongs> not lunix trash
2017-01-05T10:17:21 < dongs> somerthing for 8-16 drives
2017-01-05T10:17:31 < dongs> thats not 6 figures crap
2017-01-05T10:17:51 < ohsix> nope
2017-01-05T10:17:58 < ohsix> all that arm
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2017-01-05T10:21:25 < dongs> does dell make anything thats not trash
2017-01-05T10:22:31 < jpa-> maybe netapp?
2017-01-05T10:23:33 < dongs> yeah isnt that 6 figures tho?
2017-01-05T10:25:06 < jpa-> i think only 5
2017-01-05T10:28:20 < englishman> supermicro
2017-01-05T10:28:47 < englishman> hardware raid is old hat
2017-01-05T10:29:00 < dongs> hardware raid is the only hat if you wanna run a real OS
2017-01-05T10:29:09 < dongs> none of those joke lunix trash
2017-01-05T10:29:57 < englishman> plz
2017-01-05T10:30:13 < englishman> freebsd is the only true os
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2017-01-05T10:36:32 < dongs> http://blog.open-e.com/why-a-hot-spare-hard-disk-is-a-bad-idea/ came across this opensores wank
2017-01-05T10:39:39 < jpa-> uh, what kind of a person doesn't have 1 & 2 done at all times?
2017-01-05T10:42:30 < sync_> because lazyness
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2017-01-05T10:52:55 < zyp> > shut down the server
2017-01-05T10:53:06 < zyp> fuck off
2017-01-05T10:54:00 < zyp> hot spares seems a bit silly though, unless it's shared between multiple raid groups
2017-01-05T10:54:43 < zyp> otherwise better just put it into the raid in the first place as extra redundancy
2017-01-05T10:55:31 < jpa-> depends; if the space is enough, i would much rather have RAID1 + hot spare than RAID5
2017-01-05T10:56:10 < zyp> you're missing my point
2017-01-05T10:56:25 < jpa-> indeed, for some reason i didn't consider 3-disk RAID1
2017-01-05T10:57:05 < zyp> same argument for RAID6 over RAID5+spare
2017-01-05T10:57:58 < zyp> or RAID7 over RAID6+spare
2017-01-05T10:58:53 < jpa-> does it go up to 11?
2017-01-05T10:59:02 < zyp> haha
2017-01-05T10:59:29 < zyp> I don't think RAID7 is a standardized name, but people use it to talk about triple-redundant parity arrays
2017-01-05T11:00:12 < zyp> I'm running raidz3 on my zfs array, which is pretty much that
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2017-01-05T11:25:39 < jpa-> does someone remember whether peripherals can access input pins even if AF is configured to another peripheral? i.e. i have SPI SCK pin, but i would like to be able to get the SPI clock into timer input also
2017-01-05T11:27:09 < jpa-> though i guess i might just connect it externally
2017-01-05T11:28:52 < zyp> yes, as long as it's not in analog mode, IDR will contain current state
2017-01-05T11:29:30 < zyp> oh, wait
2017-01-05T11:29:33 < zyp> peripherals
2017-01-05T11:29:38 < zyp> that's probably not possible
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2017-01-05T11:30:27 < jpa-> depends on internal connections.. but too lazy to test so i guess i'll just add external connection
2017-01-05T11:30:41 < stvn> Spirit532, got any pots
2017-01-05T11:31:10 < zyp> well, yes, but how would the peripheral know which pin to read when there's multiple pins with that AF and none are mapped? :)
2017-01-05T11:31:56 < zyp> I'm guessing that AF inputs are masked by the AF selection and then just combined
2017-01-05T11:32:21 < jpa-> zyp: ah, makes sense
2017-01-05T11:33:10 < zyp> this is just conjecture on my part, but given how the AF stuff is configured, I don't see any other reasonable way it would work
2017-01-05T11:33:12 < jpa-> indeed on GPIOv1 it might have worked but on GPIOv2 you're right, couldn't work
2017-01-05T11:33:17 < zyp> yes
2017-01-05T11:33:44 < stvn> sup stm32men
2017-01-05T11:34:53 < zyp> and if LeelooMinai were here now, I'd get the «that's not documented so you can't know that»
2017-01-05T11:36:14 < Thorn> did anybody do a slab allocator for cortex-m?
2017-01-05T11:36:25 < stvn> zyp, reading the jogs i assume shes dead
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2017-01-05T11:39:04 < Spirit532> stvn, yes
2017-01-05T11:39:05 < Spirit532> a bag
2017-01-05T11:39:57 < stvn> i need 50x dcs1100
2017-01-05T11:43:00 < jpa-> http://fpaste.dy.fi/Edk/disp   hmm, stm32f407 tim9; if i configure CH1 as the "TRGI" does it mean that the timer counts every time CH1 has rising edge?
2017-01-05T11:43:25 < Spirit532> stvn, I'm not a shop
2017-01-05T11:43:30 < Spirit532> $500 each
2017-01-05T11:43:45 < zyp> jpa-, depends on the mode
2017-01-05T11:44:03 < jpa-> "This bitfield selects the trigger input to be used to synchronize the counter."  i'm not sure what it means
2017-01-05T11:44:12 < jpa-> ah
2017-01-05T11:44:22 < jpa-> "External clock mode 1 - Rising edges of the selected trigger (TRGI) clock the counter"   ok this is what i want
2017-01-05T11:44:46 < stvn> what are you creating jpa- 
2017-01-05T11:45:47 < jpa-> stvn: continuous spi transmission to drive a multiplexed display; but i need some latch pulses every N bytes
2017-01-05T11:46:11 < jpa-> so i'll clock a timer from SCK and configure it to output the pulses
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2017-01-05T11:52:24 < Thorn> http://ru-radio-electr.livejournal.com/1423760.html gcc -O3 reorders register accesses so peripheral initialization fails (enable flag is set too early)
2017-01-05T11:53:51 < jpa-> with volatile defined on the regs or without?
2017-01-05T11:54:00 < zyp> I've had similar happen
2017-01-05T11:54:47 < zyp> it doesn't reorder the register accesses, but it reorders the preparation of shit to write so you might get two str instructions back to back
2017-01-05T11:55:06 < Thorn> jpa-: with volatile (standard cmsis definitions)
2017-01-05T11:55:15 < zyp> and the peripheral might not be ready just a cycle or so after it's been enabled in RCC
2017-01-05T11:56:05 < zyp> I don't remember which peripheral it was, but I solved it by just moving the RCC enable earlier
2017-01-05T11:56:53 < karlp> jpa-: aw man, I missed the dso quad in the 100.
2017-01-05T11:57:09 < Thorn> apparently using __DMB()/__DSB() fixes it because it uses "asm volatile memory" in case of gcc which prevents some of the reordering
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2017-01-05T11:59:00 < zyp> Thorn, I think it's more by accident that works
2017-01-05T11:59:30 < zyp> since it's asm volatile, it can't be reordered, so it's placed in between the two str instructions
2017-01-05T11:59:36 < zyp> causing a delay of some extra cycles
2017-01-05T11:59:42 < Thorn> yeah agree
2017-01-05T11:59:48 < zyp> which might be just what the peripheral needs
2017-01-05T12:00:08 < zyp> asm volatile("nop"); would probably work just as well
2017-01-05T12:00:40 < jpa-> karlp: http://seeedstudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6313   has some screenshots :P
2017-01-05T12:01:00 < zyp> they don't load here
2017-01-05T12:01:05 < jpa-> uh.. and a forum that doesn't allow viewing them
2017-01-05T12:01:07 < jpa-> typical seeed
2017-01-05T12:20:58 < stvn> dirty
2017-01-05T12:24:24 < dongs> broken images
2017-01-05T12:24:30 < dongs> moderator: jpa
2017-01-05T12:24:36 < karlp> yeah, broken images.
2017-01-05T12:24:36 < dongs> how many fgts did you ban from that forum?
2017-01-05T12:28:30 < stvn> pesky fgts, they're everywhere
2017-01-05T12:29:37 < zyp> hmm, I wonder if there's any way of doing NFC authentication between a card and a server with an untrusted middleman (nfc reader)
2017-01-05T12:30:57 < dongs> what "card"?
2017-01-05T12:30:59 < zyp> i.e. server issues a challenge token, card signs the token with a private key that doesn't leave the card
2017-01-05T12:31:02 < zyp> nfc card
2017-01-05T12:31:45 < dongs> isnt this not something you evne haev control over?
2017-01-05T12:31:55 < zyp> what do you mean?
2017-01-05T12:32:09 < dongs> i mean its not like you can change firmware thats running on nfc card?
2017-01-05T12:32:36 < zyp> this would obviously require a nfc card with asymmetric encryption capability built in
2017-01-05T12:32:59 < dongs> yeah, would that evne work? sounds like it needs more current than you can get from antenna loop
2017-01-05T12:33:16 < zyp> I'm looking at desfire right now, but seems like that only does DES/AES
2017-01-05T12:33:31 < dongs> what do you want to do exactly?
2017-01-05T12:33:35 < dongs> is this work stuff or trolling
2017-01-05T12:33:45 < dongs> i can ask some pals that do card security stuff if they know/can recommend somethign
2017-01-05T12:33:58 < zyp> at this point just trolling
2017-01-05T12:35:04 < jpa-> dongs: not many, actually; just a few spammers
2017-01-05T12:36:27 < zyp> the application I have in mind is NFC authentication for EV chargepoint use, with an online service to handle payments
2017-01-05T12:36:58 < zyp> I'm imagining a «put up a chargepoint at your home, earn money by allowing others to use it» kinda thing
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2017-01-05T12:37:54 < dongs> oh right. but i think existing card shit should work for that, no?
2017-01-05T12:38:01 < dongs> japs using those cards for train payment junk and it works
2017-01-05T12:38:04 < dongs> never used one so i dont know
2017-01-05T12:38:30 < zyp> yes, I'm just thinking through the security implications of this
2017-01-05T12:39:09 < karlp> what? you're doing a startup new product, just launch first!
2017-01-05T12:39:16 < zyp> I'd like to avoid the possibility that a chargepoint owner can fake other users using his chargepoints
2017-01-05T12:39:25 < zyp> e.g. replay attacks
2017-01-05T12:40:07 < dongs> but like
2017-01-05T12:40:17 < dongs> you gotta consider trying to hax something like $5 worth of shit
2017-01-05T12:40:30 < dongs> vs needing $$$$ of equipment to spoof it/whatever
2017-01-05T12:40:44 < dongs> its not like youre buying a car with NFC
2017-01-05T12:41:02 < dongs> how many bus ticket IC cards are haxed every year to get free fare
2017-01-05T12:41:33 < Steffanx> The dutch one is hacked. Cheap Mifare crap.
2017-01-05T12:41:37 < zyp> I'm not thining of NFC security, I'm thinking of the entire chargepoint system
2017-01-05T12:41:55 < zyp> this is a different issue from cloning cards
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2017-01-05T12:43:04 < zyp> imagine a simple system where the card just contains a plaintext for identification
2017-01-05T12:43:26 < zyp> I'm running a chargepoint, you're charging there sometimes
2017-01-05T12:43:47 < zyp> I hack my system to bill extra sessions to your card id
2017-01-05T12:44:04 < dongs> rite
2017-01-05T12:44:16 < dongs> so dont use nfc, use real cc?
2017-01-05T12:44:17 < dongs> or whatever
2017-01-05T12:44:24 < zyp> backend system doesn't know if I actually read the id from your card or just faked a card read event
2017-01-05T12:45:52 < zyp> putting an actual CC terminal into it is probably fucking expensive :)
2017-01-05T12:46:26 < karlp> yeah, we tried to get a petrol pump style outdoor terminal, 
2017-01-05T12:46:28 < karlp> fucking insane.
2017-01-05T12:47:05 < karlp> renting a portable POS terminal is basically super cheap, but one designed for unattended use outdoors was wildly unfun
2017-01-05T12:47:38 < karlp> we setup a system to SMS to turn on power and start billing.
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2017-01-05T12:48:36 < zyp> hmm, looks like the mifare solution consists of putting a secure element in the reader that handles all the communication with the card, and then provides PKI towards backend
2017-01-05T12:56:11 < zyp> looks like felica solves it the same way
2017-01-05T12:56:36 < zyp> so yeah, that probably means that doing PKI on the card itself is too costly
2017-01-05T12:56:46 < Fleck> what's the best image format to use with DMA2D (except RAW px data ofc :D)
2017-01-05T12:59:13 < dongs> what was that recently dickstarted celluar thing that had LTE support
2017-01-05T12:59:21 < dongs> a module or someshit
2017-01-05T12:59:22 < dongs> or devboard
2017-01-05T12:59:50 < dongs> found
2017-01-05T12:59:51 < dongs> pycom
2017-01-05T12:59:52 < dongs> aids.
2017-01-05T12:59:56 < dongs> fuck python
2017-01-05T13:00:06 < zyp> haha
2017-01-05T13:00:38 < zyp> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1795343078/fipy-the-worlds-first-5-network-iot-dev-board <- this shit?
2017-01-05T13:00:42 < dongs> yes
2017-01-05T13:01:54 < zyp> «ESP32-based»
2017-01-05T13:01:55 < zyp> heh
2017-01-05T13:02:14 < dongs> no it does LTE wiht some other trash
2017-01-05T13:02:23 < zyp> of course
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2017-01-05T13:03:59 < zyp> says LTE-M, which is apparently some simplified M2M shit
2017-01-05T13:04:10 < dongs> yeah i wonder if that would e ven work in jp
2017-01-05T13:04:13 < zyp> wonder how coverage of that is vs standard LTE
2017-01-05T13:04:17 < dongs> some dickhead here wants to build a one-off thing to toggle a relay remotely
2017-01-05T13:04:27 < dongs> is complaining about ~300 eur price of typical LTE shieldcertified for japan
2017-01-05T13:04:46 < dongs> i keep telling him for a one off thats cheap
2017-01-05T13:05:25 < sync_> are you charging him at least 100€/h for trolling?
2017-01-05T13:05:39 < dongs> yes
2017-01-05T13:06:14 < zyp> might as well just grab some old android and control shit over usb
2017-01-05T13:06:25 < zyp> at that price point
2017-01-05T13:08:24 < dongs> haha.
2017-01-05T13:08:34 < dongs> this  g uy is bent on using tarduino
2017-01-05T13:08:36 < dongs> 'cuz thats all I know'
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2017-01-05T13:28:29 < stvn> did somebody say arduino?
2017-01-05T13:28:41 < Fleck> yes, you!
2017-01-05T13:28:52 < stvn> greetings Fleck 
2017-01-05T13:33:25 < karlp> hm, https://developer.arm.com/open-source/gnu-toolchain/gnu-rm/downloads has gcc6, newer than launchpad
2017-01-05T13:34:14 < dongs> so they decided to host it there
2017-01-05T13:34:17 < dongs> instead of launcshit?
2017-01-05T13:34:22 < dongs> probly didnt like jewbunto controlling thier s tuff
2017-01-05T13:35:46  * karlp shrugs.
2017-01-05T13:41:09 < stvn> so my friend just received a message http://i.imgur.com/QCMdd75.jpg
2017-01-05T13:42:16 < stvn> never new ubuntu was tied in with the jews either
2017-01-05T13:42:21 < stvn> *knew
2017-01-05T13:47:15 < ohsix> ReadErr: finished the oa, if it were like 3 hours maybe; it's a bit of a thinker
2017-01-05T13:47:48 < ohsix> jaja everything on google now is about someone trying to explain it
2017-01-05T13:48:53 < ohsix> interpretive dance is part of the plot
2017-01-05T13:49:05 < ReadErr> never herad of it
2017-01-05T13:49:19 < stvn> it melted my laptop
2017-01-05T13:49:21 < ohsix> it's hard to not laugh, then you gotta be 'no, this is super serious'
2017-01-05T13:49:24 < ohsix> it's on netflix
2017-01-05T13:50:09 < ohsix> newayz not just talking about it because it was good or anything, but that i'd just finished it heuhuhruh
2017-01-05T13:50:13 < ohsix> sup stvn
2017-01-05T13:50:40 < ohsix> did Spirit532 send you warez
2017-01-05T13:52:59 < ohsix> oh hahahah the producers specifically said it was ok to laugh but not to call it interpretive dance
2017-01-05T13:53:43 < stvn> do you understand?
2017-01-05T13:54:59 < ohsix> i have just the thing
2017-01-05T13:55:18 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm-MkXQizWs
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2017-01-05T13:56:01 < ohsix> heheh only remembered that cuz i'd been meaning to look this up and post it somewhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKia7Xj34MQ
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2017-01-05T14:21:03 < karlp> Combining -flto with -g is currently experimental and expected to produce unexpected results.
2017-01-05T14:21:14 < karlp> so, that soundsd like it's still a big ball of shit then
2017-01-05T14:21:54 < zyp> uh, what
2017-01-05T14:22:11 < karlp> that's from the gcc 5.4 docs
2017-01-05T14:22:19 < karlp> which is the gcc I'm using at least.
2017-01-05T14:22:46 < zyp> that sounds like they're saying that debugging symbols are buggy when using LTO
2017-01-05T14:23:17 < karlp> I thought -flto and -ffat-lto-objects was meant to make me a fat library that would allow the final user code to either use lto or not.
2017-01-05T14:23:22 < karlp> but still busted for me.
2017-01-05T14:23:42 < karlp> didn't get my bootloader down below 4k anyway, so fuck it :)
2017-01-05T14:26:47 < zyp> aww
2017-01-05T14:27:09 < zyp> I think I've had mine smaller :p
2017-01-05T14:27:39 < karlp> yeah, I may go back to it later.
2017-01-05T14:27:49 < karlp> using laks is tempting.
2017-01-05T14:27:51 < zyp> but I needed to strip out the usb rblog stuff
2017-01-05T14:28:04 < karlp> it's got all of freemodbus in it too though, 
2017-01-05T14:28:10 < zyp> there's not a lot of other code, so that adds a fair amount
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2017-01-05T14:51:01 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/CMYDcI.jpg
2017-01-05T14:51:05 < Laurenceb> can't go wrong there
2017-01-05T14:52:29 < Lambda_Aurigae> it's facebook.  nobody takes it seriously.
2017-01-05T14:53:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ipswich_teenager_who_stabbed_hedgehog_to_death_spared_jail_1_4836201
2017-01-05T14:53:29 < Laurenceb> uknews
2017-01-05T15:07:20 < kakimir> tesla testdrive in our town
2017-01-05T15:14:39 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOB6UDC-67w
2017-01-05T15:14:42 < Laurenceb> what the...
2017-01-05T15:16:46 < zyp> kakimir, testing what?
2017-01-05T15:20:46 < kakimir> model s, x
2017-01-05T15:27:07 < zyp> ah, just showing off
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2017-01-05T15:58:02 < ReadErr> anyone know what the threads for o2 sensors on cars is?
2017-01-05T15:58:21 < ReadErr> is it like a standard or mfg specific kinda thing
2017-01-05T15:58:44 < zyp> I think it's standard
2017-01-05T15:59:36 < zyp> a quick google suggests M18x1.5
2017-01-05T16:00:01 < ReadErr> car ones seem to be a lot cheaper than any 'arduino' type BOB thing
2017-01-05T16:00:18 < zyp> wait, what?
2017-01-05T16:00:23  * karlp got charged more than I would have liked for replacing some o2 sensors on my car recently
2017-01-05T16:01:11 < zyp> I swapped the narrowband shit in my car with a wideband sensor back when I were fucking around with that
2017-01-05T16:03:34 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Oxygen-Sensor-Module-Linker-pcDuino/dp/B019RMHD4W/ vs https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-15719-Oxygen-Sensor-Fitment/dp/B000BZG8ZA/
2017-01-05T16:04:23 < zyp> uh, are you sure those are the same kind of sensor?
2017-01-05T16:04:35 < ReadErr> oops, https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-12014-Oxygen-Sensor-Fitment/dp/B0009IK7YC/
2017-01-05T16:04:45 < ReadErr> that one looks like some 1wire kinda thing though
2017-01-05T16:05:07 < ReadErr> I duno how car ones work exactly 
2017-01-05T16:05:24 < zyp> that's a narrowband sensor
2017-01-05T16:05:52 < zyp> IIRC it pretty much only tells you whether the mixture is above or below stochiometric, not by how much
2017-01-05T16:06:53 < ReadErr> im just trying to measure the change in concentration
2017-01-05T16:07:01 < ReadErr> within a cylinder 
2017-01-05T16:07:14 < ReadErr> to determine when it reaches saturation 
2017-01-05T16:07:31 < zyp> in that case I don't think those will work at all
2017-01-05T16:08:22 < ReadErr> damn 
2017-01-05T16:08:24 < sync_> yup
2017-01-05T16:09:12 < ReadErr> well thats a bummer
2017-01-05T16:13:47 < ReadErr> so I need something more wideband ?
2017-01-05T16:14:07 < ReadErr> if its measuring between 20-99%
2017-01-05T16:21:21 < zyp> oh, by the way, the other thing you linked says range is 0-25%
2017-01-05T16:21:31 < zyp> http://www.winsen-sensor.com/products/electrochemical-oxygen-sensor/me2-o2-%D1%8420.html
2017-01-05T16:25:38 < ReadErr> damn yea thats pretty useless then seeing as air is like 20% already
2017-01-05T16:30:40 < zyp> sure
2017-01-05T16:31:07 < zyp> same goes for the car ones, I guess
2017-01-05T16:31:17 < zyp> since there'll be a lot less oxygen in the tailpipe
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2017-01-05T17:14:57 < karlp> I wonder who thought this was a useful product: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/1234541/
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2017-01-05T17:29:12 < karlp> dongs: is this your friend? https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8057-dissecting_hdmi
2017-01-05T17:33:48 < Laurenceb> karlp: up to the Rpi bit I thought maybe electrical installations
2017-01-05T17:34:35 < zyp> karlp, the fuck
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2017-01-05T17:52:50 < Ecco> Is it possible to compute the CRC32 of an odd number of bytes using the harware CRC engine in the STM32?
2017-01-05T17:53:09 < Ecco> I tried padding with zeroes but don't get the result I would expect
2017-01-05T17:54:54 < karlp> pad better
2017-01-05T17:56:51 < zyp> RM doesn't say anything about it
2017-01-05T17:57:07 < zyp> have you tried writing the last bytes with 8-bit accesses?
2017-01-05T17:57:35 < zyp> ah, no
2017-01-05T17:57:37 < zyp> disregard
2017-01-05T17:57:44 < zyp> «The CRC registers have to be accessed by words (32 bits).»
2017-01-05T18:10:27 < Ecco> Yeah, it only supports 32bits writes
2017-01-05T18:11:51 < zyp> guess you'll just have to do the last bits manually
2017-01-05T18:15:40 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/9J58j2uh5cw?t=5m49s
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2017-01-05T18:15:48 < Ecco> ok :)
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2017-01-05T18:18:58 < Laurenceb> emdrive  http://i.imgur.com/R5cr7Me.gif
2017-01-05T18:25:59 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/9gjM5Y.png
2017-01-05T18:34:10 < Spirit532> Laurenceb, that kinda is the emdrive
2017-01-05T18:34:26 < Spirit532> the total reaction mass is 0
2017-01-05T18:34:40 < Spirit532> but it would be cool if microwaves interacted with the quantum vacuum or whatever it is
2017-01-05T18:34:51 < Spirit532> that would... kinda... have a reaction mass..
2017-01-05T18:34:51 < Spirit532> D:
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2017-01-05T19:08:30 < jpa-> karlp: http://satwcomic.com/icelandic-cookbook   true or false?
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2017-01-05T19:21:43 < englishman> lol jpa- 
2017-01-05T19:21:47 < englishman> that comic is so old
2017-01-05T19:21:54 < englishman> but yes a pal brought some of that shit back from iceland
2017-01-05T19:24:18 < englishman> hm no i am thinking of a nearly identical comic
2017-01-05T19:25:41 < englishman> http://satwcomic.com/nordics-like-fish
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2017-01-05T19:36:53 < Laurenceb> damn how am I going to get laid now
2017-01-05T19:36:54 < Laurenceb> http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/man-and-woman-in-court-accused-of-overseeing-prostitution-at-derbyshire-home/story-30033821-detail/story.html
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2017-01-05T21:39:59 < jadew> LeelooMinai, thanks to our discussion about backup solutions, my little backup program does incremental backups now
2017-01-05T21:40:28 < jadew> and I figured out the best backup medium too: DVDs
2017-01-05T21:41:13 < jadew> I have backups in the local network too, but DVDs can't get hacked and erased
2017-01-05T21:41:41 < jadew> I can just make a base backup then do incremental ones daily and add them to the DVD
2017-01-05T21:46:39 < aandrew> interesting
2017-01-05T21:48:31 < BrainDamage> what's the shelf life? i have some ancient cds that developed pitting
2017-01-05T21:49:01 < jadew> don't know, I have DVDs 10 years old that still work
2017-01-05T21:49:20 < jadew> that's more than enough for daily backups
2017-01-05T21:49:36 < jadew> even a year or two would be sufficient
2017-01-05T21:52:52 < aandrew> I'd never use DVDs
2017-01-05T21:53:00 < aandrew> I'd get a USB key if I had to have something local
2017-01-05T21:53:14 < aandrew> 128GB USB3.0 is pretty cheap
2017-01-05T21:53:26 < jadew> but you can lose that data much more easily
2017-01-05T21:53:39 < jadew> the point is to have something that's hard to lose
2017-01-05T21:53:44 < aandrew> I use duplicity with GPG and S3 for remote storage for incrementals, keep a local copy around too 
2017-01-05T21:53:52 < jadew> DVDs can't get overwritten/erased
2017-01-05T21:53:55 < aandrew> jadew: a DVD is way easier to lose than a USB key
2017-01-05T21:54:26 < jadew> don't know, I backup my stuff on a usb key too, but I wanted something more permantent
2017-01-05T21:54:27 < aandrew> no, they just get scratched or require hardware that I actually don't have int he house (DVD+/-RW)
2017-01-05T21:54:50 < aandrew> to each their own for sure
2017-01-05T21:55:24 < jadew> I have a DVD writer and was just thinking that I never use it, so I can just leave the DVD in there until I'm ready to start a new one
2017-01-05T21:56:56 < jadew> USB keys can be erased by mistake
2017-01-05T21:57:27 < jadew> at some point you get an error because... something weird happens and you think "oh, it's that one with the linux boot image on it, let's format it"
2017-01-05T21:58:05 < jadew> a malfunction could also render it useless, altho that never happened to me yet
2017-01-05T21:58:19 < aandrew> jadew: that's why you buy one that's like nuclear orange or something you'd not mistake 
2017-01-05T21:58:54 < jadew> I have one where I put my backup when I leave on vacation
2017-01-05T21:58:56 < aandrew> buy the fugliest one you can find so you would never be caught dead with it on you :-)
2017-01-05T21:59:28 < aandrew> *nods* I'm on vacation right now (can't you tell?) and the laptop gets a backup, my projects folder gets copied to two USB keys, one goes with me and the other stays home
2017-01-05T22:00:43 < jadew> I get your point, but I only went for DVDs because I wanted it to be unerasable
2017-01-05T22:00:46 < aandrew> that's on top of the usual daily incremental backups that happen and are stored offsite
2017-01-05T22:01:01 < aandrew> but a DVD+/-RW is totally erasable
2017-01-05T22:01:04 < jadew> normally I have 2 backups, one online and one on a local server
2017-01-05T22:01:09 < jadew> but those can always go awaye
2017-01-05T22:01:12 < jadew> *away
2017-01-05T22:01:49 < jadew> aandrew, I don't use rewritable ones
2017-01-05T22:02:09 < jadew> or you mean that it can be burned over?
2017-01-05T22:02:22 < aandrew> well a multisession DVD is still "kind of" erasable
2017-01-05T22:02:43 < jadew> I'm ok with that kind of erasable :P
2017-01-05T22:03:41 < jadew> would be good if USB sticks had a switch to make them write only
2017-01-05T22:05:47 < Lambda_Aurigae> https://www.amazon.com/Kanguru-Flash-Physical-Protect-switch/dp/B008OGNM8E
2017-01-05T22:05:49 < Lambda_Aurigae> like that?
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2017-01-05T22:06:24 < jadew> no, it should alow writes
2017-01-05T22:06:32 < jadew> it shouldn't allow erase
2017-01-05T22:06:57 < Lambda_Aurigae> oh, one way.
2017-01-05T22:07:17 < jadew> yeah, it would need a special file system too
2017-01-05T22:07:18 < Lambda_Aurigae> might be difficult to implement but not impossible I would say.
2017-01-05T22:07:23 < aandrew> sure but when you write the next sesion you lose access to the old info if the new session data wants to "erase" it. you don't actually really lose the bits but you lose reasonable access to them
2017-01-05T22:07:25 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-05T22:07:48 < jadew> aandrew, as long as the data is there and can be retrieved, that's fine
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2017-01-05T22:08:02 < jadew> it could use the same filesystem used on CDs
2017-01-05T22:08:04 < Lambda_Aurigae> ye olde worm flash drive...the next million dollar project.
2017-01-05T22:08:13 < aandrew> I dunno, if you are relying on advanced recovery techniques to get at your backup data it's probably a bad design :-)
2017-01-05T22:08:35 < jadew> that would be a worst case scenario
2017-01-05T22:08:55 < jadew> but it would be a better scenario than not having access to it at all
2017-01-05T22:08:56 < aandrew> agreed
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2017-01-05T22:09:06 < aandrew> but again, if you're happy with your solution that's the important part
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2017-01-05T22:41:52 < Rob235> ..... why????? http://imgur.com/a/eltIs
2017-01-05T22:53:09 < jadew> Rob235, wild guess, but probably because Java
2017-01-05T22:53:31 < Rob235> I'm sure its scaling settings from running windows in vmware on my retina mac
2017-01-05T22:53:43 < Rob235> but yea... java
2017-01-05T22:54:45 < Fleck> good that you mentioned retina... thats so important! :P
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2017-01-05T22:57:07 < Rob235> good thing that you mentioned that I mentioned retina. that proves you are an asshole. 
2017-01-05T22:57:14 < Rob235> I mentioned it because vmware has separate settings for retina
2017-01-05T22:58:00 < Fleck> at least, I am not apples fanboy ;P
2017-01-05T22:58:17 < Rob235> yea I have a macbook, i'm such a fanboy
2017-01-05T22:58:29 < upgrdman> fagbook
2017-01-05T22:58:47 < Rob235> people are fucking stupid
2017-01-05T22:58:57 < upgrdman> im just kidding, bro
2017-01-05T22:59:02 < Rob235> not you, fleck
2017-01-05T22:59:04 < upgrdman> i had a MBPr a while aho
2017-01-05T22:59:06 < Fleck> same here :P
2017-01-05T22:59:07 < Steffanx> You are stupid enough to respond to it Rob235 ;)
2017-01-05T22:59:11 < Fleck> but ohh, well...
2017-01-05T22:59:26 < Fleck> guy has some problems seems like
2017-01-05T22:59:39 < Rob235> I'm having a shitty week, i'm leaving this channel until I can handle the bullshit
2017-01-05T22:59:41 < Steffanx> Fleck, don't we all have problems?
2017-01-05T22:59:53 < Fleck> yep
2017-01-05T23:00:00 < Fleck> Rob235: sorry man :)
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2017-01-05T23:04:51 < jadew> "Let the person among you who is without an apple product be the first to call him a fanboy."
2017-01-05T23:05:04 < jadew> - Santa Claus
2017-01-05T23:05:28 < Fleck> fanboy! :D
2017-01-05T23:06:00 < jadew> no ipod? ipad? iwhatever?
2017-01-05T23:06:06 < Fleck> nope!
2017-01-05T23:06:14 < Fleck> never! :P
2017-01-05T23:06:32 < jadew> I have an ipod and a mac mini I use as server
2017-01-05T23:06:38 < jadew> *as a
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2017-01-05T23:07:19 < Fleck> for me - apple devices are: cool hardware with stupid OS :D
2017-01-05T23:07:44 < jadew> one was a gift, the other one was work related, but I enjoyed them both
2017-01-05T23:15:40 < Fleck> yeah, everybody uses stuff they like! I don't mind. So peace Rob235! :)
2017-01-05T23:20:46 < aandrew> lol
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2017-01-06T00:09:45 < karlp> jpa-: heh, hadn't seen that one :)
2017-01-06T00:12:18 < karlp> hrm, I used to use DVDs for backups, but they're too small now.
2017-01-06T00:24:28 < jadew> karlp, they're still ok for a full backup + incremental for me
2017-01-06T00:24:46 < jadew> a full backup, compressed, is ~1 Gb
2017-01-06T00:24:55 < jadew> the incremental ones are small
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2017-01-06T00:44:10 < karlp> yeah, my backups are bigger
2017-01-06T00:44:39 < karlp> 700gig of photos alone.
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2017-01-06T01:32:56 < jadew> karlp, ah, I backup photos on the NAS
2017-01-06T01:33:25 < jadew> they're important, but I didn't spend all my life making them
2017-01-06T01:43:38 < Thorn> why don't dremels use brushless motors?
2017-01-06T01:45:35 < BrainDamage> you'd need to make it dc and make a controller
2017-01-06T01:45:56 < BrainDamage> with induction motors they just dim them
2017-01-06T01:46:59 < BrainDamage> ofc in order to have the same degree of controlof a brushless with an induction motor you'd need a vfd, which would be as complex
2017-01-06T01:48:00 < Thorn> sounds like an opportunity to do constant torque control 
2017-01-06T01:48:05 < Thorn> for example
2017-01-06T01:49:28 < BrainDamage> the shit knockoffs literally speed up as they heat up beause the timings change as the components heat up and change value :p
2017-01-06T01:50:40 < BrainDamage> most mechanical shit is built with the simplest electronics possible
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2017-01-06T05:11:44 < englishman> I hate midi
2017-01-06T05:15:48 < emeb_mac> midi is awesome
2017-01-06T05:17:26 < emeb_mac> 31250 bps, 3bytes per packet, 7 bits + cmd/data flag. 
2017-01-06T05:17:44 < emeb_mac> same format even when they send it over USB
2017-01-06T05:18:06 < upgrdman> why 31250
2017-01-06T05:18:35 < emeb_mac> easy to get by using a binary divider from a commonly available xtal
2017-01-06T05:18:51 < emeb_mac> don't forget - midi was defined in the early 80s
2017-01-06T05:20:12 < englishman> emeb_mac: so I want to play midi files on a small mcu
2017-01-06T05:20:26 < englishman> how do I easily get tone/period for the voices
2017-01-06T05:20:35 < englishman> without writing an entire decoder
2017-01-06T05:20:48 < englishman> pretty sure you're just the guy to ask
2017-01-06T05:21:14 < emeb_mac> englishman: midi note numbers translate directly to pitch. you can either compute it or use a LUT
2017-01-06T05:21:30 < englishman> yea actually I've already coded this for my modulator
2017-01-06T05:21:44 < englishman> its more about file parsing
2017-01-06T05:21:47 < emeb_mac> period is more complicated - not sure how file-based midi handles that
2017-01-06T05:22:01 < emeb_mac> usually midi only carries note on/off info
2017-01-06T05:22:21 < emeb_mac> so the timing from on/off must be in the file somehow and I've never looked closely
2017-01-06T05:22:28 < englishman> my nyancat file doesn't even do on off, just changes volume (velocity)
2017-01-06T05:22:39 < emeb_mac> I always have used "live"  midi from serial or USB
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2017-01-06T05:23:20 < emeb_mac> yeah - that's a standard variation - velocity 0 is same as off
2017-01-06T05:23:41 < emeb_mac> parser is pretty easy to do - not that many things you really need to handle.
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2017-01-06T05:25:37 < englishman> it seemed complicated, I went thru a few .mids by hand and quickly got messed up, maybe I just have poor documentation
2017-01-06T05:26:39 < englishman> and also my lack of experience with digital audio
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2017-01-06T05:32:49 < emeb_mac> well, basically you look at bit 7. if it's set then it's the start of a packet. then you look at the next 3 bits - those are the command type - note / cc / sysex / etc.
2017-01-06T05:33:03 < emeb_mac> the bottom 4 tell you the channel
2017-01-06T05:33:28 < emeb_mac> the next two bytes are the data - note / velocity or cc & value, etc.
2017-01-06T05:34:13 < emeb_mac> it only gets complicated when you need to handle some of the weird command like sysex, timing, etc.
2017-01-06T05:34:26 < emeb_mac> but usually you can just drop those on the floor.
2017-01-06T05:35:07 < englishman> I'd also like to strip some of those out to save on flash
2017-01-06T05:35:17 < englishman> guess I'll write a parser anyway
2017-01-06T05:37:42 < emeb_mac> englishman: or just use one of these: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1681
2017-01-06T05:37:54 < emeb_mac> handles all the MIDI stuff for you
2017-01-06T05:38:13 < emeb_mac> has a pretty good softsynth built in too.
2017-01-06T05:38:42 < emeb_mac> you just pipe the data to it over SPI
2017-01-06T05:41:44 < englishman> heh cool
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2017-01-06T05:42:26 < englishman> it won't work in this case, but, i'll just use this opportunity to learn more about .mids
2017-01-06T05:46:36 < emeb_mac> looks like the .mid file format is rather more complicated than the original serial stream format
2017-01-06T05:46:48 < emeb_mac> because it has timing info in it. "events"
2017-01-06T05:50:07 < englishman> is there a better format i could be looking at
2017-01-06T05:50:19 < englishman> that would have popular multi-voice tracks like nyan and e1m1 easily available
2017-01-06T05:56:36 < emeb_mac> well there's all kinds of "tracker" file formats. Doubt that they're simpler than .mid
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2017-01-06T06:23:15 < ohsix> sup boners
2017-01-06T06:25:25 < ohsix> englishman: you can't just skip everything but note on/off?
2017-01-06T06:25:41 < ohsix> i know some haxor codez but i dunno if you want to actually figure it out or not
2017-01-06T06:25:49 < ohsix> mitxela has multiple midi projects
2017-01-06T06:27:59 < ohsix> you literally turn on one voice when you get note on, and turn it off again; it's like handling keys on a pc keyboard
2017-01-06T06:28:21 < ohsix> well, no it isn't nm, how you allocate voices, there won't be one for every key
2017-01-06T06:29:06 < ohsix> envelopes and other stuff is just stuck on top
2017-01-06T06:32:08 < ohsix> and mozzi sucks but it's worth looking at
2017-01-06T06:32:09 < ohsix> https://github.com/fakebitpolytechnic/cheapsynth/blob/master/fm_v1_ino/fm_v1_ino.ino
2017-01-06T06:36:51 < ohsix> huh there's a new version of the midi manual, luul, i found a copy of the 1991 the other day
2017-01-06T06:38:40 < ohsix> http://golibgen.io/view.php?id=828152 chrome sez this is haxed but it's legit
2017-01-06T06:42:07 < englishman> i think i got it
2017-01-06T06:45:50 < jpa-> it also depends a lot on how the midi file is written
2017-01-06T06:45:57 < jpa-> some are dead simple, others are crazy complex
2017-01-06T06:46:54 < ohsix> how do they get complex?
2017-01-06T06:47:05 < ohsix> do you mean like parameter changes for notes?
2017-01-06T06:47:13 < ohsix> or something in the file format/protocol
2017-01-06T06:47:40 < ohsix> fff wtf
2017-01-06T06:47:40 < jpa-> multiple tracks, and changing instruments in middle of the track etc.
2017-01-06T06:47:53 < ohsix> chrome is blocking everything on libgen now
2017-01-06T06:47:58 < ohsix> jpa-: ah
2017-01-06T06:48:08 < ohsix> k right
2017-01-06T06:48:08 < jpa-> and having totally irrelevant almost-silent sounds all over the place
2017-01-06T06:48:19 < ohsix> heheh
2017-01-06T06:48:32 < ohsix> i remember being confused by that just using a midi controller that could send program changes
2017-01-06T06:48:45 < ohsix> there's probably a single .c parser out there that isn't bs
2017-01-06T06:48:56 < jpa-> like some barely audible "ding ding ding" from some triangle instrument, and then when trying to play it on MCU you'll have to tell it to ignore it
2017-01-06T06:51:30 < jpa-> https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/uunimittari/receiver_sw/midi/mac.txt   i don't remember which software i used to convert midi to text like this but it was pretty useful :P
2017-01-06T06:53:07 < ohsix> you wanna hear something dumb
2017-01-06T06:53:19 < ohsix> i got all the poop to make some midi instruments, but the jacks are expensive, so i haven't done it yet
2017-01-06T06:53:36 < ohsix> 'expensive'
2017-01-06T06:53:41 < ohsix> can't get 10 for a dollar in china
2017-01-06T06:54:51 < jpa-> like, 1 dollar each? zomg, you'll be bankrupt
2017-01-06T06:55:31 < ohsix> ya ikr
2017-01-06T06:55:40 < ohsix> i got 50 optoisolators for 1.32$!
2017-01-06T06:56:22 < englishman> jpa-: i will write this parser in Go as an excuse to learn Go
2017-01-06T06:56:41 < ohsix> a synth in go might be kewl too
2017-01-06T06:56:48 < ohsix> it doesn't have combinators does it
2017-01-06T06:57:23 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/UaXGC6b.gifv
2017-01-06T06:57:25 < ohsix> ATTN DONGS https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1di81lWIAEn1-8.jpg
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2017-01-06T06:58:45 < Spirit532> upgrdman, and then the microcontroller hangs
2017-01-06T06:58:52 < Spirit532> and it goes full throttle
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2017-01-06T06:59:03 < Spirit532> though I wouldn't mind
2017-01-06T06:59:06 < Spirit532> idiots deserve to die
2017-01-06T07:00:43 < ohsix> you're still here
2017-01-06T07:05:12 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/aK1YC2n.gifv
2017-01-06T07:05:15 < ohsix> http://hackaday.com/2017/01/05/hands-on-with-the-first-open-source-microcontroller/
2017-01-06T07:05:58 < ohsix> k enough junk got shit to do
2017-01-06T07:06:43 < englishman> looks like r2com's monitor is already obsolete http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/index.aspx
2017-01-06T07:06:48 < ohsix> yup
2017-01-06T07:06:56 < englishman> 4k120 over 48gbps
2017-01-06T07:07:01 < ohsix> when i jewgled hdmi 120fps it was breaking news
2017-01-06T07:07:05 < ohsix> yesterday
2017-01-06T07:07:34 < ohsix> upgrdman: i have this hypothesis, people don't really know that things have mass
2017-01-06T07:08:30 < ohsix> can you still hax the flir e4?
2017-01-06T07:08:55 < Spirit532> 4k120 is just nasty
2017-01-06T07:09:08 < Spirit532> so much bandwidth
2017-01-06T07:09:26 < Spirit532> there's only a handful of cameras, or better yet, sensors, that can do over 120fps @ 4K
2017-01-06T07:10:42 < ohsix> i bet one of them is exactly a handful, maybe two hands full
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2017-01-06T07:18:55 < ohsix> i should probably be looking for one of those cameras with hdmi out, for inspection
2017-01-06T07:20:02 < ohsix> there's a stereo microscope at the lab but they've got a real crap camera head on one objective
2017-01-06T07:22:43 < jpa-> they're cheaper with vga out
2017-01-06T07:22:46 < englishman> can i make a union of one const value and one non const in c
2017-01-06T07:23:15 < jpa-> englishman: yes
2017-01-06T07:23:45 < englishman> what happens when you try to change its value?
2017-01-06T07:24:23 < jpa-> const is only for compiler, whatever happens at runtime depends only on where the actual value is (ram/flash)
2017-01-06T07:24:43 < englishman> hmm
2017-01-06T07:24:50 < jpa-> https://github.com/nanopb/nanopb/blob/master/pb_encode.c#L414   i use this horrible hack here :P
2017-01-06T07:25:08 < jpa-> because usually normal casting away of const will give a warning
2017-01-06T07:25:22 < englishman> heh
2017-01-06T07:25:53 < englishman> oh protocol buffers
2017-01-06T07:26:13 < englishman> a pal at google recommended these for a thing
2017-01-06T07:27:12 < ohsix> jpa-: usably even with extra analog softening junk?
2017-01-06T07:27:15 < englishman> so you simply have to hope that this adress is writeable
2017-01-06T07:27:42 < ohsix> the compiler won't try to put consts in special memory
2017-01-06T07:28:02 < ohsix> since they'll be mixed with values that aren't
2017-01-06T07:28:42 < jpa-> englishman: in my case, i don't actually write to the address, but i cast away the const because some intermediate code doesn't define const (because it is also used for non-const data)
2017-01-06T07:28:56 < englishman> ah, ok
2017-01-06T07:29:18 < jpa-> usually compiler will put local scope consts in ram, and global scope consts in flash
2017-01-06T07:30:16 < jpa-> (more exactly: all variables with "auto" lifetime go in stack, while const variables with "static" lifetime go in flash)
2017-01-06T07:31:07 < englishman> so it copies the value from flash into ram, then doesn't let you change it?
2017-01-06T07:31:55 < jpa-> sometimes, yes
2017-01-06T07:32:06 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/B9AJKYs.gifv
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2017-01-06T08:12:17 < ohsix> englishman: the linker script and startup code literally does that for some sections huhu
2017-01-06T08:13:51 < ohsix> https://irssi.org/2017/01/05/irssi-1.0.0-released/
2017-01-06T08:24:33 < ohsix> shit
2017-01-06T08:25:00 < ohsix> there's apparently a weather thing that is going to drench california and on the eastern edge leave potentially 8ft of snow, oregon is going to see some of it
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2017-01-06T08:28:09 < ohsix> https://weather.com/forecast/regional/news/california-atmospheric-river-sierra-snow-flood-forecast-jan2017
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2017-01-06T09:16:26 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8lPMFsC7L0 lul this guy looks like death, how can ti be so good and produce something this bad
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2017-01-06T09:16:56 < ohsix> pcm1791 doesn't have asynchronous usb
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2017-01-06T09:55:05 < jadew> this chick is so freaking hot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ineO1tIyPfM
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2017-01-06T10:03:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: heh, they release the .blend files for the splash screens
2017-01-06T10:03:20 < ohsix> that's some good example junk
2017-01-06T10:03:47 < ohsix> all the times i was looking for samples i never came across them
2017-01-06T10:03:59 < ohsix> jadew: HEHEH
2017-01-06T10:04:14 < ohsix> def qt
2017-01-06T10:04:27 < ohsix> 40% of why i subbed a while back, wont lie
2017-01-06T10:04:40 < ohsix> so far the content has been cool tho
2017-01-06T10:04:47 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-06T10:04:58 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://cloud.blender.org/p/gallery/57e51eaa0fcf29412d1f1e76
2017-01-06T10:05:41 < jadew> what are you using blender for?
2017-01-06T10:06:19 < jadew> I have to run
2017-01-06T10:06:20 < jadew> ttyl
2017-01-06T10:06:33 < ohsix> nothing yet, just a perpetual thing i've been meaning to figure out
2017-01-06T10:08:05 < ohsix> hit on some mathemetician twitter accounts, been finding stuff, openscad has a twitter account huhu, made me think to check & see what blender junk was doing
2017-01-06T10:10:52 < ohsix> Kliment: around? need to find an alu block i can put on old hexagon extruder head, old one is mangled and i want to rebuild it cheap, lulzbot doesn't sell just the block afact
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2017-01-06T11:05:02 < Kliment> ohsix: They'll prolly sell you one if you ask nicely
2017-01-06T11:05:33 < ohsix> no doubt
2017-01-06T11:05:45 < ohsix> i'm gonna rebuild it with .3mm nozzle
2017-01-06T11:06:05 < ohsix> just wondering if you knew that the threads were all compatible or something
2017-01-06T11:06:57 < Kliment> sorry, nope
2017-01-06T11:06:59 < ohsix> someone had a clog or something with the original head and they snapped the nozzle off trying to remove it, while mangling the block. then they tried to chase the threads or something with the broken nozzle in it, fucking it up to an awesome degree
2017-01-06T11:07:53 < ohsix> the actual cost of replacing it is fine, new one is 70$ or something, but it comes with a .5mm nozzle and i'd immediately f it up again swapping it
2017-01-06T11:11:05 < ohsix> ah sweet itworks is back up, site was dead when i had to order fan, they had them cheap. they also have the block https://itworks3d.com/product/hexagon-hotend-heater-block/
2017-01-06T11:14:30 < ohsix> huhuhuhu wtf, they charge and arm and a leg for nozzles tho; everything else is cheaper
2017-01-06T11:30:56 < upgrdman> damn, i wounder if this'll go into production. would be kinda neat even if obnoxious  https://www.cnet.com/au/products/razer-project-valerie/preview/
2017-01-06T11:31:06 < upgrdman> 3x 4k monitors in a laptop
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2017-01-06T11:42:09 < stvn> hi stm32
2017-01-06T11:43:36 < Fleck> wb stvn
2017-01-06T11:44:03 < stvn> thanks, welcome.
2017-01-06T11:45:13 < stvn> are steffan and joel back from the party?
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2017-01-06T11:47:18 < sync_> 9/10 would buy upgrdman 
2017-01-06T11:47:40 < upgrdman> yup
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2017-01-06T12:06:33 < stvn> Spirit532, have you sent it yet
2017-01-06T12:06:47 < Spirit532> are you going to just bug me every day
2017-01-06T12:06:53 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-06T12:10:41 < stvn> yeah
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2017-01-06T12:12:01 < stvn> what else is new Spirit532 ?
2017-01-06T12:12:14 < Spirit532> trying to edit 1 & 5kfps video of a match
2017-01-06T12:12:22 < Spirit532> but it's not going well, because THE SUN IS BLASTING ME IN THE FACE
2017-01-06T12:12:23 < Spirit532> ;-;
2017-01-06T12:12:30 < stvn> careful
2017-01-06T12:14:07 < Spirit532> it's fun trying to work on raw video contrast/brightness when your screen is washed out with glare
2017-01-06T12:14:08 < Spirit532> grrr
2017-01-06T12:14:29 < stvn> okay
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2017-01-06T13:58:37 < karlp> hrm, usage faults.
2017-01-06T13:59:12 < karlp> could I be getting an ISR from the bootloader that breaks because I've switched SCB_VTOR before it returns or someshit?
2017-01-06T13:59:53 < karlp> it sort of looks like the main app starts, gets an irq then fails to return? pc = 0
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2017-01-06T14:05:03 < zyp> what's the fault?
2017-01-06T14:06:24 < zyp> also, why would you have any interrupts enabled in the bootloader when switching to main app?
2017-01-06T14:07:51 < zyp> my bootloader doesn't touch anything other than GPIO until it has determined it wouldn't be switching to main app
2017-01-06T14:08:07 < zyp> and when it's done bootloading, it always resets before switching
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2017-01-06T14:24:15 < Lambda_Aurigae> http://digg.com/video/spool-on-the-loose  anybody lose some wire?
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2017-01-06T14:35:47 < dongs> karlp: yes
2017-01-06T14:35:56 < dongs> also, attn zyp https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz3yRBaUQAAh3nI.png
2017-01-06T14:36:09 < dongs> did he plug dongs during the speech
2017-01-06T14:38:25 < zyp> haha
2017-01-06T14:38:28 < zyp> where's that from?
2017-01-06T14:38:32 < dongs> twatter apaprently
2017-01-06T14:38:38 < dongs> i just go t the url nothing else
2017-01-06T14:40:19 < dongs> https://twitter.com/syego posted here apparently
2017-01-06T15:00:11 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/PjZTok.jpg
2017-01-06T15:00:26 < dongs> i was looking for that imaeg the o ther day
2017-01-06T15:08:06 < karlp> zyp: I guess, I shoulddisable interrupts in the bootloader for proceeding.
2017-01-06T15:08:20 < karlp> that does make sense I guess.
2017-01-06T15:08:32 < karlp> let the app run assuming it's starting clean,
2017-01-06T15:08:38 < zyp> karlp, you're missing my point
2017-01-06T15:08:46 < zyp> why do you have them enabled in the first place? :)
2017-01-06T15:08:59 < karlp> so I can handle modbus? 
2017-01-06T15:09:12 < karlp> you want me to write a polled serial interface just because?
2017-01-06T15:09:15 < zyp> do you need modbus to determine whether to enter bootloader mode or not?
2017-01-06T15:09:29 < dongs> (no)
2017-01-06T15:09:49 < zyp> if not, don't enable them until you've determined that you're bootloading
2017-01-06T15:10:06 < karlp> I want modbus available to be able to interrupt into the bootloader, in case the app is crashing.
2017-01-06T15:10:23 < karlp> still, whether I turn it on early or not doesn't change that the real point is to turn it off when I'm finished 
2017-01-06T15:10:48 < zyp> fair enough
2017-01-06T15:11:15 < zyp> I'm just saying that instead of making sure to clean up all my mess, I just avoid making the mess in the first place
2017-01-06T15:11:49 < karlp> yes, but even if I don't turn it on until I need it, if i needed it, it's still turned on and should get turned off, so nothing really changes there.
2017-01-06T15:12:02 < karlp> oh, you do the bootload and the _reset_ into it
2017-01-06T15:12:09 < karlp> heh yeah, that would work for you
2017-01-06T15:12:10 < zyp> yep
2017-01-06T15:12:49 < karlp> hrm, I guess I could use a ram variable to still let it idle in the bootloader for a few seconds 
2017-01-06T15:13:04 < zyp> well, it would still work for you, you could integrate it into the reset reason logic
2017-01-06T15:13:08 < karlp> still a bit up in the air.
2017-01-06T15:13:58 < karlp> yeah, could make the app explicitly reset to booloader, so bootloader only has two reasons to run: wathdog reset or bootloader request, otherwise just continue booting.
2017-01-06T15:14:08 < dongs> use BKPG_REG stuff
2017-01-06T15:14:29 < dongs> er BKP_REG or watever.
2017-01-06T15:14:30 < zyp> dongs, no need, normal sram persists across resets
2017-01-06T15:14:32 < dongs> instead of ram
2017-01-06T15:14:34 < dongs> it does but
2017-01-06T15:14:41 < dongs> then you have to hax dicker scripts
2017-01-06T15:14:48 < dongs> bkp shit is free
2017-01-06T15:15:00 < zyp> bkp shit has to be turned on
2017-01-06T15:15:05 < dongs> not to read
2017-01-06T15:15:06 < dongs> only to write
2017-01-06T15:15:15 < dongs> and you can turn it on to write.
2017-01-06T15:15:21 < zyp> I considered it when I wrote arcin bootloader, then decided to just throw it into CCM
2017-01-06T15:15:35 < dongs> pfft
2017-01-06T15:15:49 < dongs> you dont need to turn it on to read.
2017-01-06T15:15:51 < zyp> when I ported to cardio, I had to fix that, since L0 doesn't have CCM
2017-01-06T15:15:52 < dongs> so there.
2017-01-06T15:16:17 < zyp> so for cardio I added a .bootinfo section
2017-01-06T15:16:50 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/commit/?id=4796432
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2017-01-06T15:18:10 < zyp> and since that's now in the standard laks linker script, I can reuse it for any project :p
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2017-01-06T15:35:19 < dongs> lol, just found keil has a git integration shit in its 'SVCS' menu
2017-01-06T15:35:29 < dongs>   MenuItem=Reset git / Unstage changes
2017-01-06T15:35:30 < dongs>     Command=git
2017-01-06T15:35:30 < dongs>     Arguments=reset
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2017-01-06T15:37:28 < Thorn> do you need to reconfigure clocks (like HSE/HSI, PLL) after exiting the stop mode?
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2017-01-06T15:44:41 < karlp> zyp: I don't see the reset_reson/.bootinfo section in your main app in cardio? only reading it in the bootloader?
2017-01-06T15:44:51 < zyp> correct
2017-01-06T15:45:23 < zyp> future firmwares will have it
2017-01-06T15:45:46 < zyp> and since the bootloader isn't supposed to be updated, I'd want to get support for that in right now
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2017-01-06T16:20:38 < englishman> what is cardio? i'm pretty sure googling that will get me nowhere
2017-01-06T16:21:38 < dongs> opensores project
2017-01-06T16:21:41 < dongs> for nfc
2017-01-06T16:26:45 < zyp> englishman, nfc reader shit I made
2017-01-06T16:27:04 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/crJLt.JPG
2017-01-06T16:28:11 < englishman> cool, didn't know this was an opensores project
2017-01-06T16:28:46 < zyp> well, sores are here: http://cgit.jvnv.net/cardio/tree/
2017-01-06T16:29:24 < zyp> it's some pretty shitty MSC emulation in there, but it works
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2017-01-06T16:32:31 < dongs> you should hax cgit to rename tree to /free
2017-01-06T16:32:38 < dongs> to make people think there's non-free version of the code
2017-01-06T16:32:48 < zyp> haha
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2017-01-06T16:50:23 < englishman> "audist" repo
2017-01-06T16:50:24 < englishman> lol irl
2017-01-06T16:51:31 < zyp> that's not my project :)
2017-01-06T16:51:43 < zyp> also haha, I've never made that connection
2017-01-06T17:06:59 < dongs> heh
2017-01-06T17:07:04 < dongs> my arduino pal just got owned by
2017-01-06T17:07:11 < dongs> if (dongs&0x1F!=0)
2017-01-06T17:07:28 < dongs> spent 2 hours looking for hte "bug"
2017-01-06T17:08:05 < zyp> doesn't the compiler usually shout at you for that?
2017-01-06T17:08:16 < dongs> well, yes, if its not arduino
2017-01-06T17:09:00 < zyp> foo.c:2:11: warning: & has lower precedence than !=; != will be evaluated first [-Wparentheses]
2017-01-06T17:09:20 < dongs> hah, keil has exactly same error message
2017-01-06T17:09:25 < zyp> this is clang
2017-01-06T17:09:27 < dongs> do youthink they stole it from gcc?
2017-01-06T17:09:28 < zyp> I think
2017-01-06T17:09:31 < dongs> ah
2017-01-06T17:10:16 < zyp> gcc: foo.c:2:2: warning: suggest parentheses around comparison in operand of '&' [-Wparentheses]
2017-01-06T17:10:21 < dongs> gcc?
2017-01-06T17:10:36 < dongs> keil is 1st message exactly word by worrd and same punctuation
2017-01-06T17:11:24 < zyp> oh, hahaha
2017-01-06T17:11:25 < zyp> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/armclang_intro/armclang_intro_chr1372761810274.htm
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2017-01-06T17:12:46 < dongs> thats the new one
2017-01-06T17:12:49 < dongs> im still using armcc
2017-01-06T17:12:53 < dongs> since it produces code that actualyl works
2017-01-06T17:12:58 < zyp> well, idk
2017-01-06T17:15:33 < zyp> seen, looks a bit interesting
2017-01-06T17:15:59 < dongs> why is FTDI chip on that thing bigger than main MCU
2017-01-06T17:16:12 < zyp> qfp vs qfn
2017-01-06T17:17:16 < zyp> guy I know got a hardon for risc-v
2017-01-06T17:17:25 < zyp> looks a bit interesting
2017-01-06T17:17:37 < dongs> it would loook even more interesting if it had no tarduino headers
2017-01-06T17:17:46 < zyp> I don't care about the board
2017-01-06T17:18:26 < zyp> theres stm32-disco/nucleo shit with arduino headers as well, doesn't mean stm32 is useless
2017-01-06T17:20:23 < zyp> last I saw that stuff, I saw performance numbers that looked pretty favorable vs cortex-m, so I'm curious how true that is in the real world
2017-01-06T17:23:34 < zyp> well, that chip in particular is weak on the peripherals side
2017-01-06T17:23:49 < zyp> but the risc-v arch as a whole could potentially turn very interesting
2017-01-06T17:25:09 < dongs> 320mhz and 16k ram
2017-01-06T17:25:14 < dongs> sounds about as useful as ... arduino
2017-01-06T17:25:18 < dongs> no, 16K
2017-01-06T17:25:40 < dongs> Memory: 16 KB Instruction Cache, 16 KB Data Scratchpad
2017-01-06T17:26:24 < zyp> it looks a lot better than the other risc-v chip a different group is working on
2017-01-06T17:26:37 < dongs> you mean they one they'rte begging 1.5million on dickstarter for?
2017-01-06T17:27:04 < Spirit532> well
2017-01-06T17:27:13 < Spirit532> you can't really run a real fab run for less than ~$1.1M
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2017-01-06T17:27:57 < zyp> dongs, maybe, I'm not finding it
2017-01-06T17:29:43 < zyp> ah
2017-01-06T17:29:45 < zyp> this: https://www.crowdsupply.com/onchip/open-v
2017-01-06T17:30:06 < dongs> yes
2017-01-06T17:30:11 < zyp> haha, «8 hours left»
2017-01-06T17:30:18 < dongs> lol
2017-01-06T17:30:21 < dongs> how much d id they gather
2017-01-06T17:30:28 < zyp> 7%
2017-01-06T17:30:30 < dongs> ownt
2017-01-06T17:31:07 < zyp> compared to this, sifive actually seems to know what they're doing
2017-01-06T17:34:02 < Spirit532> the campaign is quite shite
2017-01-06T17:34:10 < Spirit532> you're getting a wee's performance for $50
2017-01-06T17:34:16 < Spirit532> and it's wholly impractical
2017-01-06T17:34:43 < Spirit532> it's a noble cause, sure
2017-01-06T17:35:02 < Spirit532> but it's not worth $50 in single quantity, it needs a $10M seed funding
2017-01-06T17:35:45 < dongs> they just repurposed one of hte buttcoin fabs
2017-01-06T17:35:48 < dongs> to do these instead
2017-01-06T17:36:32 < Spirit532> that's why 70k chips only cost $400k
2017-01-06T17:36:40 < Spirit532> the dies are hYOOGE
2017-01-06T17:37:54 < Spirit532> $6(rounding up)/die is absurdly cheap for their die size
2017-01-06T17:38:52 < dongs> is that good or bad
2017-01-06T17:38:57 < dongs> you seem to know a lot about buttcoin
2017-01-06T17:39:52 < Spirit532> it's just general silicon area
2017-01-06T17:40:05 < Spirit532> a 70k production run can't bring the cost of their die that much in a proper fab
2017-01-06T17:40:12 < Spirit532> at least I think
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2017-01-06T17:53:38 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/TlOt7LHjCsc pumpin all day
2017-01-06T17:55:59 < Rob235> http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/12145088_560972810721709_1100386688_n.jpg
2017-01-06T18:02:34 < jadew> my wife asked me to buy a sandwitch maker from emag (romanian online shop)
2017-01-06T18:02:45 < jadew> I answered with a question: "They sell women at emag?"
2017-01-06T18:04:18 < emeb> and then she cockpunched you
2017-01-06T18:05:20 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/dae496bdd6206821798afeecfc3bf37d907820435c664597945be598bd5b2808.webm/julian%20assange.webm
2017-01-06T18:05:38 < jadew> she didn't get it, she thought I meant another chick so I'd be in the sandwich
2017-01-06T18:06:04 < Laurenceb> I see no problem there
2017-01-06T18:06:47 < jadew> except she took it as yet another one of my poor taste jokes
2017-01-06T18:07:16 < jadew> not that the original one was classier
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2017-01-06T18:21:42 < zyp> jadew, haha
2017-01-06T18:30:29 < Laurenceb> hmm CLOCK_REALTIME is doing soemthing weird
2017-01-06T18:30:56 < Laurenceb>  tv_nsec seems to gain an offset each time it rolls around
2017-01-06T18:32:54 < karlp> meh, disbaled interrupts, reset periph, still got something fucky.
2017-01-06T18:33:12 < dongs> https://github.com/arduino/Arduino/issues/4184 haha
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2017-01-06T18:36:13 < Laurenceb> 0.97385e9;
2017-01-06T18:36:15 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-01-06T18:37:09  * Laurenceb rage
2017-01-06T18:37:50 < Laurenceb> each time tv_nsec rolls around it should gain 1e9 right?
2017-01-06T18:38:54 < dongs> youre a ruhl around
2017-01-06T18:42:59 < Laurenceb> ah I see whats wrong
2017-01-06T18:43:06 < Laurenceb> missing samples for some reason
2017-01-06T18:43:21 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/ced438f36a7ba5624b06f867ccaa41a68f6384cf9433a763430f74535a469b54.jpg
2017-01-06T18:44:03 < Thorn> why the __SEV(); __WFE(); __WFE(); magic chant?
2017-01-06T18:44:54 < Thorn> instead of a single WFE
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2017-01-06T18:45:50 < jadew> Laurenceb, that's gotta be bullshit
2017-01-06T18:47:41 < jadew> I would be more inclined to believe that she sexually assaulted the manatees
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2017-01-06T19:00:50 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/5wGL6u.png
2017-01-06T19:00:53 < Laurenceb> lunix is fast
2017-01-06T19:01:06 < Laurenceb> testing muh airspy with timestamping
2017-01-06T19:01:25 < Laurenceb> 50µs rms jitter
2017-01-06T19:01:41 < Thorn> what the fuck, 55mA in stop mode
2017-01-06T19:02:04 < Thorn> I had 9mA in sleep
2017-01-06T19:03:50 < dongs> lol your board sucks
2017-01-06T19:05:23 < Laurenceb> this is good enough for cheap and shit reverse positioning
2017-01-06T19:06:07 < Thorn> ok looks like leakage through the LDO when powering the 3.3V bus
2017-01-06T19:06:32 < Thorn> when I connect power to the input of the ldo it's 5.1mA
2017-01-06T19:06:37 < Thorn> still not great
2017-01-06T19:07:16 < Laurenceb> Thorn: still better than BBB
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2017-01-06T19:11:10 < Thorn> well MBI5024 eats 5...8mA when all channels are off
2017-01-06T19:11:28 < Thorn> according to datasheet
2017-01-06T19:12:20 < Thorn> why can't these Taiwanese innovators design chips with low quiescent currents? ws2812a has ~1mA, this thing 5 times that
2017-01-06T19:14:41 < Laurenceb> https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2017/Jan/6/LiveLeak-dot-com-c9b_1483718104-4_1483718192.jpeg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bddf954a46dfd39672&ec_rate=230
2017-01-06T19:15:03 < Thorn> btw it was dongs who advised me to use a led driver
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2017-01-06T19:22:04 < dongs> you didnt specify power requirements
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2017-01-06T19:42:42 < Rickta59> question about debugging when running code from ram ... I have a stm32f103c8, i've erased all the flash (all 0xff ) and i'm loading the code into internal ram using openocd/gdb and an stlink device, I have the vector table starting at 0x20000000, the code and data/.bss are all in internal ram so it only lasts as long as i have it powered.
2017-01-06T19:42:54 < Rickta59> if I press reset it does its thing properly 
2017-01-06T19:43:16 < Rickta59> i'm using a systick timer and its getting called so i know the vtor stuff is setup correctly
2017-01-06T19:43:39 < Rickta59> however .. if i'm in gdb and i examine the memory at 0x0 .. it isn't the same as what I see at 0x20000000
2017-01-06T19:43:53 < Rickta59> the sp is right but everything else is crap
2017-01-06T19:44:09 < Rickta59> i have boot0 and boot1 set to 1
2017-01-06T19:44:44 < Rickta59> my reset handler is running so the mapping should be right
2017-01-06T19:45:04 < Rickta59> i'm just wondering why i can't see the proper values at 0x0
2017-01-06T19:48:13 < Rickta59> http://dpaste.com/2Z9DJ54 a picture of what i'm talking about
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2017-01-06T20:00:18 < Thorn> >Floor 6-4, No.18, Pu-Ting Rd., Hsinchu, Taiwan 30077, ROC
2017-01-06T20:00:20 < Thorn> >Pu-Ting Rd.
2017-01-06T20:09:07 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/a/T6zqL#g1jIg8O
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2017-01-06T20:18:47 < ReadErr> Hi Laurenceb
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2017-01-06T20:34:35 < aandrew> who's an altium pro here
2017-01-06T20:34:38 < aandrew> I mean besides me
2017-01-06T20:34:55 < zyp> sup?
2017-01-06T20:34:57 < aandrew> hierarchical design with a couple sheets repeated (e.g. digital output schematic page repeated 8 times)
2017-01-06T20:35:54 < aandrew> got the board routed and reannotated, got the annotations back-annotated in the schematic but the BOM is still showing DO1_C3, DO2_C3, etc. instead of C3, C6, C9, C12 etc or whatever they got reannotated as
2017-01-06T20:36:35 < zyp> sounds like you've missed updating something
2017-01-06T20:36:46 < aandrew> what do you mean?
2017-01-06T20:36:59 < aandrew> the board has all the correct parts and reannotating does the right thing
2017-01-06T20:37:12 < aandrew> back-annotating in schematic worked (select the .was file, etc.) 
2017-01-06T20:37:32 < aandrew> now if I open the DO page it clearly doesn't have 8 designators per component, it will have only the first
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2017-01-06T21:22:06 < boB_K7IQ> have you tried annotating manually on one of the components just to make sure ?
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2017-01-06T21:39:32 < aandrew> boB_K7IQ: hm?
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2017-01-06T22:04:27 < Rickta59> regarding my question earlier, i figured out what is going on there ... it looks like when you boot into ram it remaps a little bit of the ram into address 0x0 and 0x4 .. the stm32 standard starup code dumps some instructions in there that load the actually reset handler address into the pc
2017-01-06T22:04:45 < Rickta59> 0x20000109 <__vector_table+265>:ldr.wpc, [pc, #-264]; 0x20000004 <__vector_table+4>
2017-01-06T22:05:45 < Rickta59> .equ  BootRAM, 0xF108F85F ... the instructions is hardcoded
2017-01-06T22:05:54 < Rickta59> are hardcoded
2017-01-06T22:06:14 < Rickta59> so mystery solved
2017-01-06T22:08:37 < Rickta59> i've not found any documents that explicitly state that is actually what happens though
2017-01-06T22:12:35 < Rickta59> unless this is the docs "• Boot from the embedded SRAM: SRAM is accessible only at address 0x2000 0000."
2017-01-06T22:13:22 < Rickta59> and "When booting from SRAM, in the application initialization code, you have to relocate the
2017-01-06T22:13:25 < Rickta59> vector table in SRAM using the NVIC exception table and offset register."
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2017-01-06T22:28:35 < zyp> Rickta59, why are you bothering with running code from ram anyway?
2017-01-06T22:28:50 < Rob235> psh vhdl is easy
2017-01-06T22:29:06 < zyp> Rickta59, IMO it's a pretty useless exercise with no benefits
2017-01-06T22:29:11 < Rickta59> several reasons .. 
2017-01-06T22:29:17 < PaulFertser> Rickta59: I think I remember reading some related answer from clive1 on shitforums. Too bad ST themselves are too lame to document that properly. Good reasoning there on your part, thanks for sharing.
2017-01-06T22:29:19 < Rickta59> 1.) I wanted to understand how it works
2017-01-06T22:29:48 < Rickta59> 2.) I'm writing a framework like your laks thing and i'm writing a bunch of small things that easily fit in ram
2017-01-06T22:30:10 < Rickta59> 3.) it forces me to fully understand the linker scripts and startup code
2017-01-06T22:30:35 < Rickta59> and yes it has no useful purpose
2017-01-06T22:30:56 < zyp> ok, I'll give you the learning benefit
2017-01-06T22:31:44 < Rickta59> all they would have to do is add a comment in the startup.s
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2017-01-06T22:32:20 < Rickta59>  /* say .. this is a hardcode instruction that will load the proper reset_handler from internal ram */
2017-01-06T22:32:36 < Rickta59> it is just some mystery address
2017-01-06T22:32:42 < Rickta59> i thought for a while it was a rom routine
2017-01-06T22:32:44 < zyp> the usual arguments are bullshit like «I don't want to wear out my flash» or «it's faster than writing flash»
2017-01-06T22:33:13 < Rickta59> yeah i've yet to stick with one architecture long enough to wear out the flash :)
2017-01-06T22:33:17 < zyp> flash is rated for thousands of writes, and the few ks that'll fit in ram will write to flash in less than a second
2017-01-06T22:33:38 < Rickta59> there is always something newer and shinier to try ; )
2017-01-06T22:33:54 < zyp> and it's utterly pointless for production use since there's no sane way of getting anything into ram before boot than using the debugger
2017-01-06T22:34:49 < zyp> it's probably also slower to have instruction fetches and data accesses both trying to access the same memory block
2017-01-06T22:34:51 < Rickta59> also someone was asking how to boot from external ram and i wanted to be able to tell them they are wasting their time ;)
2017-01-06T22:35:06 < Rickta59> i wondered about that ..
2017-01-06T22:35:07 < zyp> external?
2017-01-06T22:35:17 < Rickta59> like address  0x60000000
2017-01-06T22:35:22 < Rickta59> not on this chip of course
2017-01-06T22:35:30 < Rickta59> the larger stm32f103z
2017-01-06T22:35:55 < zyp> how would you boot from _ram_ anyway?
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2017-01-06T22:36:11 < Rickta59> load with gdb
2017-01-06T22:36:13 < Rickta59> then run
2017-01-06T22:36:18 < Rickta59> as long as there is power
2017-01-06T22:36:21 < zyp> sure
2017-01-06T22:36:48 < zyp> although, without cache that's going to be super slow
2017-01-06T22:37:37 < Rickta59> is there cache on an stm32f103?
2017-01-06T22:37:40 < Rickta59> i didn't think so
2017-01-06T22:37:54 < zyp> no
2017-01-06T22:38:20 < zyp> cortex-m didn't have cache until cortex-m7
2017-01-06T22:38:33 < zyp> so only f7 got a proper cache
2017-01-06T22:38:38 < Rickta59> you don't call that art thing a cache?
2017-01-06T22:39:03 < zyp> the ART in f4 is also a kind of cache, but it's set up as a flash accelerator
2017-01-06T22:39:11 < Rickta59> k
2017-01-06T22:39:18 < zyp> only flash accesses pass through it, so it doesn't help for external memory
2017-01-06T22:40:10 < Rickta59> on the ti cortex m4 (tm4c) chips  .. i thought i read it has both an icode and dcode bus that could use the internal sram concurrently .. that isn't true for the stm32f1?
2017-01-06T22:40:27 < Rickta59> so it is all serial?
2017-01-06T22:40:34 < Rickta59> when access sram
2017-01-06T22:40:44 < zyp> cortex-m3 have both I, D and S-bus
2017-01-06T22:40:58 < zyp> so that's true for both tm4c and stm32
2017-01-06T22:41:15 < Rickta59> so it can access ram for data and ram for code concurrently?
2017-01-06T22:41:18 < zyp> but remember that the ram isn't dualported
2017-01-06T22:42:02 < zyp> when both buses are trying to access the same memory area, one will have to wait
2017-01-06T22:42:07 < Rickta59> k
2017-01-06T22:42:20 < Rickta59> so i should be using the instruction immediates for any ram code
2017-01-06T22:42:25 < Rickta59> movw, movt
2017-01-06T22:42:31 < Rickta59> and avoid real memory access
2017-01-06T22:42:49 < zyp> you can get around that by using separate areas for code and data
2017-01-06T22:43:08 < zyp> on F4 the last 16k is a separate area from the other 112k IIRC
2017-01-06T22:43:12 < zyp> don't remember how it is for other parts
2017-01-06T22:43:13 < Rickta59> ic
2017-01-06T22:43:19 < Rickta59> thanks informative
2017-01-06T22:43:34 < Rickta59> but i'm messing with this cheapo stm32f1 because they are so cheap
2017-01-06T22:43:36 < zyp> the RMs would have info on that in the memory layout section
2017-01-06T22:44:20 < Rickta59> if i'm not using the usb can i steal that 512 for fast access?
2017-01-06T22:44:28 < zyp> fast?
2017-01-06T22:44:47 < Rickta59> i'm guessing it is in a different place than the 0x20000000
2017-01-06T22:44:50 < Rickta59> * haven't looked
2017-01-06T22:45:03 < zyp> well, sure, but I'd assume it's slower than normal SRAm
2017-01-06T22:45:22 < zyp> also, it has a weird 16b access pattern, you can't do 32b accesses to it
2017-01-06T22:46:17 < zyp> i.e. short answer: no
2017-01-06T22:46:33 < Rickta59> ok .. all these things scream compared to an msp430 ; )
2017-01-06T22:46:39 < Rickta59> even when they are slow
2017-01-06T22:46:48 < zyp> haha
2017-01-06T22:46:52 < zyp> true
2017-01-06T22:47:21 < zyp> but that's no reason to do dumb stuff that makes it go slower, for no other benefit
2017-01-06T22:47:45 < Rickta59> heh .. doesn't ST itself support that? * thinking HAL
2017-01-06T22:47:59 < zyp> :D
2017-01-06T22:48:24 < Rickta59> the more i learn about these the more i like them .. 
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2017-01-07T02:33:23 < Laurenceb_> top kek https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10088561&cid=53620693
2017-01-07T02:45:35 < jadew> LeelooMinai, 1/3 of what?
2017-01-07T02:45:39 < jadew> it's similarly priced
2017-01-07T02:46:14 < jadew> I wanted to buy one too
2017-01-07T02:46:39 < jadew> that's how much that one is too
2017-01-07T02:46:52 < jadew> oh, it's on ali for 330?
2017-01-07T02:46:54 < jadew> hmm
2017-01-07T02:47:12 < jadew> I couldn't find it for that price when I looked for it
2017-01-07T02:47:16 < jadew> I wanted that supply
2017-01-07T02:47:28 < ohsix> sigrokin it
2017-01-07T02:48:01 < jadew> LeelooMinai, it's a power supply, there's not that much to it
2017-01-07T02:48:03 < ohsix> using today, owon ds8102, makes the siglent look dumb, way more responsive
2017-01-07T02:48:20 < jadew> what matters is how it performs and you can't tell that from what's inside
2017-01-07T02:49:03 < jadew> well, as you can see it's only $300 :)
2017-01-07T02:49:08 < jadew> so the cost of production is much lower
2017-01-07T02:49:15 < jadew> probably both for this and for the keithley
2017-01-07T02:49:34 < jadew> they keithley might have better caps for example
2017-01-07T02:50:27 < jadew> well, I want it now
2017-01-07T02:50:58 < jadew> but I no longer have a budget for this stuff so I'll probably have to sell something
2017-01-07T02:51:42 < jadew> yeah, it's possible itech is indeed the OEM
2017-01-07T02:51:49 < Laurenceb_> so I erd some muricans got shot up by a mexican muslim terrurist
2017-01-07T02:52:09 < jadew> btw, there's a better option available
2017-01-07T02:52:13 < jadew> 5A / channel
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2017-01-07T02:53:19 < Laurenceb_> attn kakimir https://i.sli.mg/O3bPoy.jpg
2017-01-07T02:56:11 < jadew> I wish it had a nicer display
2017-01-07T02:56:26 < jadew> maybe a separate LCD for each channel
2017-01-07T02:56:33 < jadew> so it could display power and stuff like that
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2017-01-07T03:02:01 < jadew> this is the one I almost got: http://ro.farnell.com/keithley/2231a-30-3/power-supply-3ch-30v-3a-adjustable/dp/2444841
2017-01-07T03:05:35 < jadew> not if they're rebranded
2017-01-07T03:07:28 < ReadErr> where is Tectu
2017-01-07T03:07:33 < ReadErr> I need to kick his ass
2017-01-07T03:07:48 < ReadErr> I DONT WANT TO REGISTER TO DOWNLOAD A GDAMN FILE, NOBODY DOES
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2017-01-07T03:13:54 < Laurenceb_> hehe wtf
2017-01-07T03:14:01 < Laurenceb_> Tectu has gone full corporate
2017-01-07T03:15:35 < ReadErr> yea thats the biggest AIDs thing ever
2017-01-07T03:15:40 < ReadErr> atmel level
2017-01-07T03:16:21 < Laurenceb_> I knew it
2017-01-07T03:16:29 < Laurenceb_> the second I saw him on Linkedin
2017-01-07T03:17:09 < jadew> I'd like to see your linkedin account
2017-01-07T03:17:18 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: should be some top KEK tonight on the LRH
2017-01-07T03:17:36 < jadew> "1995 - present. Moderator on image boards"
2017-01-07T03:17:37 < ReadErr> evalion the canadian nazi
2017-01-07T03:17:40 < Laurenceb_> I dodunt even know what LRH is
2017-01-07T03:17:42 < ReadErr> then this other fella
2017-01-07T03:17:46 < Laurenceb_> Evalion O_o
2017-01-07T03:17:48 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2017-01-07T03:18:00 < ReadErr> ya, l0dey is gonna redpill her ass he said
2017-01-07T03:18:19 < Laurenceb_> that doesnt even make sense
2017-01-07T03:18:30 < Laurenceb_> unless he is literally going to shove them up
2017-01-07T03:18:37 < ReadErr> ya i dont get the *pills 
2017-01-07T03:18:39 < Laurenceb_> which wouldnt surprise me
2017-01-07T03:18:54 < ReadErr> then this other guy that uhh
2017-01-07T03:18:55 < Laurenceb_> she is a whore and an attention whore troll
2017-01-07T03:19:05 < Laurenceb_> even /pol/ hates her
2017-01-07T03:19:07 < ReadErr> wrote some crazy ass deprogramming illuminati wiki
2017-01-07T03:19:34 < ReadErr> dudes 100% batshit or hes a genius 
2017-01-07T03:19:41 < Laurenceb_> I always meet weird people :(
2017-01-07T03:19:47 < Laurenceb_> need to work on my appearance
2017-01-07T03:19:52 < ReadErr> deprogramwiki.com/programming/the-illuminati-formula-used-to-create-an-undetectable-total-mind-controlled-slave/#BETA_Sexual_SEXUAL_ALTERS
2017-01-07T03:19:59 < ReadErr> just look at this one example lul
2017-01-07T03:20:02 < Laurenceb_> yesterday some guy sat next to me on train and started talking illuminati
2017-01-07T03:20:11 < ReadErr> it takes a second to load since its so fucking huge
2017-01-07T03:20:22 < Laurenceb_> must be cuz I look like a freak
2017-01-07T03:20:39 < jadew> Laurenceb_, it's because you responded to him
2017-01-07T03:20:42 < Laurenceb_> but when I try to look less like a freak I get attention from female freaks
2017-01-07T03:20:45 < Laurenceb_> can't win
2017-01-07T03:21:13 < Laurenceb_> maybe I need to stop showering to result in repellent BO
2017-01-07T03:21:34 < Laurenceb_> or personal stench generator
2017-01-07T03:21:40 < ReadErr> well u look like harry potter
2017-01-07T03:21:41 < Laurenceb_> that could be a kickstarter product
2017-01-07T03:21:47 < ReadErr> that doesnt help
2017-01-07T03:21:54 < ReadErr> you need some scars and shit
2017-01-07T03:22:07 < jadew> chicks digg that
2017-01-07T03:22:09 < ReadErr> face tatt
2017-01-07T03:22:19 < Laurenceb_> last week a Pakistani woman sat next to me and asked if I wanted to travel to Pakistan for an arranged marriage with her daughter
2017-01-07T03:22:38 < jadew> *dig
2017-01-07T03:23:04 < jadew> Laurenceb_, did you ask for a picture?
2017-01-07T03:23:19 < ReadErr> did you ask if it included an ISIS membership and/or tshirt
2017-01-07T03:23:22 < Laurenceb_> no I ran away quickly
2017-01-07T03:27:27 < Laurenceb_> then before that a retarded girl sat next to me
2017-01-07T03:28:47 < jadew> seems to me you get plenty of legit opportunities to get laid, but you just don't want to
2017-01-07T03:29:22 < Laurenceb_> legit != literally retarded girl
2017-01-07T03:29:57 < Laurenceb_> everyone was looking like "wait they let retards breed now?!"
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2017-01-07T03:31:30 < BrainDamage> don't get discouraged, you'll get your chance too
2017-01-07T03:32:34 < Laurenceb_> maybe I could just go with it and pretend to be retarded...
2017-01-07T03:32:53  * Laurenceb_ senses a mega lame murican College style film plot in the making
2017-01-07T03:33:11 < jadew> it has already been done
2017-01-07T03:33:14 < jadew> "The Ringer"
2017-01-07T03:33:50 < Laurenceb_> hahaha Johnny Knoxville
2017-01-07T03:33:58 < Laurenceb_> but he is legit retarded
2017-01-07T03:36:00 < jadew> re-watching it now
2017-01-07T03:37:18 < BrainDamage> "pretend"
2017-01-07T03:38:01 < BrainDamage> all you have to do is present your daily material you collect from your magician peers
2017-01-07T03:38:41 < englishman> if you dont want to use legit soft go download free stm32emwin
2017-01-07T03:41:59 < ReadErr> hey his example shit actually compiled
2017-01-07T03:42:07  * ReadErr tips fedora
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2017-01-07T03:51:11 < Laurenceb_> example shit? Tectu?
2017-01-07T03:51:52 < englishman> his ugfx shit
2017-01-07T03:52:02 < englishman> yeah i was openglling in like 5mins
2017-01-07T03:53:59 < Emil> Hmm
2017-01-07T03:54:31 < Emil> What's the recommended way to flash new firmware without using a gdb server?
2017-01-07T03:54:42 < Emil> Something lile avrdude
2017-01-07T03:55:44 < englishman> bootloader?
2017-01-07T03:55:47 < englishman> dfu?
2017-01-07T03:55:50 < englishman> st-link/
2017-01-07T03:55:51 < englishman> ?
2017-01-07T03:55:59 < englishman> take your pick
2017-01-07T03:56:09 < englishman> gdb is probably the most complicated way
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2017-01-07T04:46:53 < upgrdman> quality  http://i.imgur.com/cub4oMF.gifv
2017-01-07T04:56:51 < ReadErr> #LRH PRESHOW IS LIVE www.twitch.tv/l0de ADS IN SF CALL IN LIVE 415-349-5666
2017-01-07T04:57:00 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: 
2017-01-07T04:57:10 < ReadErr> r2commie and here
2017-01-07T04:57:11 < ReadErr> upgrdman: 
2017-01-07T04:57:20 < ReadErr> anyone kewl
2017-01-07T04:57:30 < upgrdman> wtf is lode
2017-01-07T04:58:19 < ReadErr> hun just click it, lick it, listen
2017-01-07T04:58:25 < ReadErr> its gonnna be a gr8 show 
2017-01-07T04:58:38 < ReadErr> hasnt even officially started already pappin
2017-01-07T05:29:21 < upgrdman> supposedly all of 33c3:  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_IxoDz1Nq2bHSp-T7fXC0Cw6z7mAxkjn
2017-01-07T05:29:53 < englishman> or link to non-illuminati-controlled source? https://media.ccc.de/c/33c3
2017-01-07T05:38:15 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/FcWuNqt.gifv
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2017-01-07T05:50:29 < upgrdman> so im searching for cheap shoe laces, and this comes up https://www.amazon.com/Beautyvan-Meias-Sports-Running-Finger/dp/B01KV5FHNS/ref=sr_1_18?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1483760987&sr=1-18&nodeID=7141123011&keywords=shoe+laces
2017-01-07T05:50:39 < upgrdman> who the fuck wears socks like that with individual toes
2017-01-07T05:50:47 < upgrdman> creeps me the fuck out
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2017-01-07T05:56:04 < stvn> trollence/b/
2017-01-07T06:04:51 < dongs> ive seen japs wear those
2017-01-07T06:06:38 < stvn> hmm
2017-01-07T06:07:11 < upgrdman> dongs, lol rly? with crocs too huh?
2017-01-07T06:07:23 < dongs> shrug
2017-01-07T06:07:51 < englishman> upgrdman: vibram fivefingers are actually the best shoes
2017-01-07T06:10:48 < stvn> all this stm32ing and my head is jewing
2017-01-07T06:11:36 < zyp> good morning
2017-01-07T06:11:48 < stvn> hi mr.z
2017-01-07T06:11:50 < zyp> how's innovating?
2017-01-07T06:12:18 < stvn> :(
2017-01-07T06:17:46 < stvn> i'm too sober to breathe
2017-01-07T06:30:04 < upgrdman> anyone know if a JTAG chain would get fucked up by the delays of optoisolators or isolation ICs? e.g. one jtag device in the chain is electrically isolated from the other jtag devices, so jtag would need to enter/exit through isolation
2017-01-07T06:30:26 < upgrdman> or does it tend to be pretty forgiving with timing
2017-01-07T06:30:30 < dongs> pretty sure no, it only cares about transitions
2017-01-07T06:30:53 < dongs> as long as transition happens on clock edge you're ok
2017-01-07T06:31:25 < upgrdman> well ya but go in and out of isolation, the "response" on TDO will be delayed from the edges on TCK
2017-01-07T06:31:41 < dongs> tck is isolated too
2017-01-07T06:31:44 < dongs> so it wlil be delayed also
2017-01-07T06:32:01 < upgrdman> yes
2017-01-07T06:32:28 < upgrdman> but jtag master (programmer/debugger) will see its TCK, not the delayed one seen by the slave
2017-01-07T06:35:35 < dongs> http://www.analog.com/en/analog-dialogue/articles/architecting-multi-voltage-jtag-chain.html this might have something relevant to your shit
2017-01-07T06:36:43 < upgrdman> hmm nice.
2017-01-07T06:36:45 < upgrdman> thx
2017-01-07T06:37:05 < dongs> i thought they'de use buffers but they jsut recommend ghettoin that shit up wiht diodes
2017-01-07T06:37:32 < dongs> oh they do have a level translator there
2017-01-07T06:37:59 < dongs> with like 10ns propagation delay
2017-01-07T06:38:04 < dongs> how much delay is over optoshit?
2017-01-07T06:38:06 < stvn> halal
2017-01-07T06:38:36 < dongs> stvn, unless you have some STM32 news to contribute, shut hte fuck up
2017-01-07T06:39:41 < upgrdman> dongs, dont have schemtic in front of me, but iirc something like 40ns :(
2017-01-07T06:40:21 < dongs> so thats 25mhz
2017-01-07T06:40:28 < dongs> your jtag is probably some buttbang trash from FTDI
2017-01-07T06:40:29 < dongs> at 1mhz
2017-01-07T06:40:30 < dongs> if youre lucky
2017-01-07T06:40:34 < dongs> sounds like it wont amtter at all
2017-01-07T06:40:35 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-07T06:40:56 < upgrdman> ya the joy of isolators. rated at 250MHz bandwidth, but the prop delay ass fucks you
2017-01-07T06:41:04 < upgrdman> well, if you need lots of isolation at last
2017-01-07T06:41:17 < upgrdman> i think the shit we use for 10kV isolation
2017-01-07T06:41:37 < stvn> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/n3889.html
2017-01-07T06:43:48 < dongs> wow nice
2017-01-07T06:43:56 < dongs> 413 sounds like the new cheap 401
2017-01-07T06:44:45 < upgrdman> so do any mcu makers do like cortex m4 for >1MB ram?
2017-01-07T06:44:54 < dongs> no
2017-01-07T06:45:00 < dongs> if you need > 1mb you can just hookup sdram to f4
2017-01-07T06:45:08 < upgrdman> kinda surprised the high end f4 and f7 chips dont have >1MB ram when they target dsi lcd's etc.
2017-01-07T06:45:09 < englishman> gd32f4
2017-01-07T06:45:15 < upgrdman> ya i know
2017-01-07T06:45:16 < englishman> o ram
2017-01-07T06:45:19 < upgrdman> but dat integration bro
2017-01-07T06:45:25 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=NUCLEO-F413ZH
2017-01-07T06:45:26 < dongs> oo
2017-01-07T06:45:29 < dongs> it available
2017-01-07T06:45:30 < dongs>  for $20
2017-01-07T06:45:58 < dongs> cheaper @ mouser, $19
2017-01-07T06:46:08 < emeb_mac> what's so great about that part?
2017-01-07T06:46:41 < zyp> some cool periphs IIRC
2017-01-07T06:46:44 < zyp> etc. QSPI
2017-01-07T06:47:01 < englishman> the top end of 100MHz F4s
2017-01-07T06:47:07 < emeb_mac> eh - 446 has the QSPI
2017-01-07T06:47:37 < zyp> sure, but the 413 is probably cheaper
2017-01-07T06:47:52 < dongs> indeed
2017-01-07T06:48:14 < zyp> hmm, what was the difference between 412 and 4123?
2017-01-07T06:48:18 < zyp> 413
2017-01-07T06:48:18 < dongs> crypto
2017-01-07T06:48:22 < zyp> oh
2017-01-07T06:48:23 < dongs> same as always it seems
2017-01-07T06:48:35 < zyp> no
2017-01-07T06:48:38 < zyp> that's 423
2017-01-07T06:49:01 < zyp> looks like just bigger ram/flash
2017-01-07T06:49:20 < zyp> 412 has 256k/1024k, 413 has 320k/1536k
2017-01-07T06:49:29 < englishman> i had a stm rep tell me about f43x today
2017-01-07T06:50:10 < emeb_mac> hot stuff?
2017-01-07T06:52:07 < dongs> < englishman> gd32f4
2017-01-07T06:52:09 < dongs> does that exist?
2017-01-07T06:52:17 < englishman> dono i made that up
2017-01-07T06:52:19 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-07T06:52:24 < englishman> but i think i heard something about m4
2017-01-07T06:52:24 < dongs> http://www.gigadevice.com/product-category/29.html?locale=en_US looks like it does
2017-01-07T06:52:36 < zyp> bvernoux came in here talking about it recently
2017-01-07T06:52:41 < emeb_mac> waiting for stm32f722
2017-01-07T06:52:56 < emeb_mac> looks like it'll be reasonably priced 
2017-01-07T06:53:04 < emeb_mac> plus 64 pin pkg
2017-01-07T06:53:24 < dongs> 722 isnt even on digkey
2017-01-07T06:53:31 < emeb_mac> it's on mouser
2017-01-07T06:53:41 < dongs> o yeah
2017-01-07T06:53:42 < dongs> in trays
2017-01-07T06:53:45 < emeb_mac> not in stock yet
2017-01-07T06:53:56 < englishman> 512k flash tho
2017-01-07T06:54:00 < dongs> l1 cache, hah
2017-01-07T06:54:05 < dongs> yeah RET6 right
2017-01-07T06:55:15 < englishman> lead time 13 weeks
2017-01-07T06:57:09 < emeb_mac> not even fully documented on the ST site yet. but still, should be useful...
2017-01-07T07:02:25 < dongs> no RM then?
2017-01-07T07:03:08 < emeb_mac> nope
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2017-01-07T07:37:07 < ohsix> buns
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2017-01-07T07:49:37 < stvn> today on ##c http://pastebin.com/yRuzc8T1
2017-01-07T07:51:01 < upgrdman> nice
2017-01-07T07:51:20 < upgrdman> i love me some ?: operators
2017-01-07T07:51:37 < englishman> ternary
2017-01-07T07:52:24 < upgrdman> best-nary
2017-01-07T07:54:01 < stvn> my head rotted
2017-01-07T07:56:25 < stvn> Spirit532, maybe ##c could fix your stm32 issue
2017-01-07T07:56:36 < Spirit532> you can stop now
2017-01-07T07:56:37 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-07T07:56:44 < Spirit532> I know C
2017-01-07T07:56:48 < Spirit532> I don't know STM32
2017-01-07T07:56:49 < stvn> I want to help you
2017-01-07T07:56:54 < Spirit532> you don't
2017-01-07T07:57:08 < upgrdman> beky
2017-01-07T07:57:12 < stvn> lol
2017-01-07T08:20:21 < dongs> removed paste
2017-01-07T08:22:02 < englishman> saved
2017-01-07T08:22:05 < englishman> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WmHDNFBM/
2017-01-07T08:49:39 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/amberbladejones/status/817484328586182656
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2017-01-07T09:00:24 < dongs> heh 413 has 3 can buses
2017-01-07T09:01:49 < englishman> cuz st feels 1MHz can is plenty
2017-01-07T09:02:13 < dongs> perfect for tricopter, you can run one to each motor!!
2017-01-07T09:02:25 < Spirit532> whohoha, holy shit
2017-01-07T09:02:28 < Spirit532> my camera is now in DUBAI
2017-01-07T09:02:36 < englishman> totally makes sensese
2017-01-07T09:02:43 < Spirit532> what the fuck is it doing in dubai, when it's supposed to go from JFK to Belarus
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2017-01-07T09:02:46 < Spirit532> o_O
2017-01-07T09:03:03 < Spirit532> I guess there were no JFK->Moscow flights scheduled
2017-01-07T09:03:38 < ohsix> because trump has his own plane
2017-01-07T09:03:40 < ohsix> BAAAAAAAAAAAAM 
2017-01-07T09:03:42 < ohsix> BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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2017-01-07T09:25:57 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/OregonDOT/status/817584820670709761 huhu, dive
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2017-01-07T09:37:27 < ohsix> upgrdman: going to try and watch all of 33c3?
2017-01-07T09:37:58 < ohsix> last year i watched a ton of them, even being very sparing with what to watch it was a million hours
2017-01-07T09:38:19 < ohsix> and ccc has gotten tons more interesting, msot of the videos are shit i wanna watch :[
2017-01-07T09:48:46 < zyp> sup?
2017-01-07T09:49:41 < zyp> sucks
2017-01-07T09:53:28 < dongs> lol
2017-01-07T09:53:33 < dongs> how is cypress treating you
2017-01-07T09:53:39 < dongs> is the office full of inddians
2017-01-07T09:56:05 < dongs> more liek real trolling
2017-01-07T09:59:03 < dongs> not much 
2017-01-07T09:59:16 < dongs> gotta finish routing some trolls
2017-01-07T10:00:06 < dongs> no, this is my own stuff
2017-01-07T10:00:40 < ohsix> lul i migh tbe doing pcb design
2017-01-07T10:00:54 < ReadErr> dont die
2017-01-07T10:01:03 < ohsix> can't decide if i'll put pir8 altium somewhere in the lab and only work there, or learn kicad, either way i need to GIT GUD
2017-01-07T10:01:10 < ReadErr> im fist deep in ECLIPSE
2017-01-07T10:01:19 < ReadErr> and going to be using tectuwarez
2017-01-07T10:01:39 < dongs> how does it feel to not know how to do anything
2017-01-07T10:01:39 < ohsix> they wanted me to do a thing already, but i don't know how long it will take; gonna get schem from the dude that is doing it and time it
2017-01-07T10:01:42 < dongs> and just copypaste shit
2017-01-07T10:01:52 < ReadErr> dongs: I can do what I need just fine
2017-01-07T10:02:01 < ReadErr> have done several shits from the ground up
2017-01-07T10:02:21 < ReadErr> also: theres not too many good examples for all the chibi stuff
2017-01-07T10:02:28 < ReadErr> so its not like I can copy/paste everything 
2017-01-07T10:02:52 < ReadErr> ugfx i have no fucking clue, will be all copy/paste
2017-01-07T10:03:04 < ohsix> for what
2017-01-07T10:03:08 < ohsix> work?
2017-01-07T10:03:15 < ReadErr> oxy concentrator controller
2017-01-07T10:03:20 < ReadErr> oxygen*
2017-01-07T10:03:28 < ohsix> p f f f
2017-01-07T10:03:31 < ReadErr> for a torch 
2017-01-07T10:03:46 < ohsix> what type of valve do you expect to use
2017-01-07T10:03:53 < ohsix> or feedback
2017-01-07T10:03:54 < ReadErr> many many valves
2017-01-07T10:04:11 < ohsix> are you just going to maintain a ratio between the two gasses?
2017-01-07T10:04:15 < ReadErr> on the input im using a 5 way 3 position
2017-01-07T10:04:34 < ReadErr> no im going to concentrate to the highest I can w/ sieves 
2017-01-07T10:04:43 < ReadErr> in 2 stages I can get pretty much 99%
2017-01-07T10:05:07 < dongs> waht the shit 
2017-01-07T10:06:03 < ohsix> as an exercise, fine; but buying gas is still the most smaertest for working
2017-01-07T10:06:06 < ReadErr> noone has done a project like this
2017-01-07T10:06:15 < ReadErr> they have done nitrogen 
2017-01-07T10:06:25 < ReadErr> ohsix: hardly
2017-01-07T10:06:52 < ReadErr> can blow through a 125cu tank in a few hrs
2017-01-07T10:07:06 < ohsix> what are you doing
2017-01-07T10:07:15 < ReadErr> bonging and shit
2017-01-07T10:07:26 < ReadErr> but it can be used for w/e
2017-01-07T10:07:28 < ohsix> you do glass work?
2017-01-07T10:07:29 < ReadErr> cutting torches
2017-01-07T10:07:41 < ohsix> it sounds like a ton of shit, enough to keep like 5 people busy
2017-01-07T10:07:59 < ReadErr> what is?
2017-01-07T10:08:06 < ohsix> gas usage
2017-01-07T10:08:19 < ohsix> you need to be making stuff lul
2017-01-07T10:09:28 < ReadErr> http://www.glasstorchtech.com/GTT%20Flow%20Rate%20Chart.pdf
2017-01-07T10:10:07 < ReadErr> mirrage can burn through 55cu an hour 
2017-01-07T10:10:23 < ohsix> are you just estimating based on which head you have?
2017-01-07T10:10:28 < ReadErr> not to mention the 20 mins each way to get a new bottle
2017-01-07T10:10:37 < ohsix> or do you have like an actual volume of glass you're going to heat
2017-01-07T10:10:51 < ReadErr> those #s are at max
2017-01-07T10:10:57 < dongs> are you making stm32 stoner devices
2017-01-07T10:11:12 < ReadErr> I want to do a sick e-nail rig
2017-01-07T10:11:40 < ReadErr> but o2 conc is all stm32
2017-01-07T10:21:41 < ohsix> e nail?
2017-01-07T10:25:22 < ReadErr> uses a PID controller and a coil to heat up a nail
2017-01-07T10:25:30 < ReadErr> then you put dabs on it
2017-01-07T10:25:58 < upgrdman> ohsix, wasnt planning to watch all of them, but theyre now bookmarked and if i ever get bored... well theres no shortage of shit to entertain me
2017-01-07T10:26:12 < ReadErr> i need to find a decent sizes OLED
2017-01-07T10:26:26 < ReadErr> monochrome, love the contrast, hate the gimpy sizes
2017-01-07T10:30:51 < ReadErr> things get pretty rapey pretty quick above 1.3"
2017-01-07T10:33:09 < ohsix> ReadErr: heh
2017-01-07T10:33:15 < ohsix> get a zvs driver off ebay
2017-01-07T10:33:50 < ohsix> you wouldn't use a pid controller, just make the nail long enough so it is the right temperature at that length when material reaches curie point
2017-01-07T10:35:13 < ohsix> whoever you're trying to impress tho
2017-01-07T10:35:20 < ohsix> get away from them and find people who do cool stuff
2017-01-07T10:35:37 < ReadErr> can get a full blown color 720p display+controller for cheaper than a 2.4" OLED
2017-01-07T10:35:47 < ReadErr> im not trying to impress anyone
2017-01-07T10:35:51 < ohsix> i bet
2017-01-07T10:35:53 < ReadErr> i do stuff for myself
2017-01-07T10:35:59 < ohsix> i'm always making elaborate ways to do drugs
2017-01-07T10:37:00 < ReadErr> far simpler than curie point etc 
2017-01-07T10:37:09 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Assembled-ZVS-Tesla-simple-inverter-drive-Jacobs-Ladder-5-12v-/111694512412?hash=item1a0183011c:g:WZoAAOSw-vlVpLUC starts here and goes up
2017-01-07T10:37:12 < ohsix> nah
2017-01-07T10:37:13 < ReadErr> set & forget
2017-01-07T10:37:24 < ohsix> it's actually simpler to do it the other way, because you don't have to control it
2017-01-07T10:37:40 < ohsix> when you're doing inductive heating you're killing yourself trying to connect it to a control loop
2017-01-07T10:38:04 < ReadErr> you dont need feedback really
2017-01-07T10:38:07 < ReadErr> you can just pwm it
2017-01-07T10:38:27 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-07T10:38:34 < ohsix> the feedback would be the temperature
2017-01-07T10:38:39 < ReadErr> right
2017-01-07T10:38:53 < ReadErr> just useful for saving power etc
2017-01-07T10:39:12 < ReadErr> not functional usage
2017-01-07T10:39:42 < ohsix> why not lasers
2017-01-07T10:39:45 < ReadErr> eyes
2017-01-07T10:39:47 < ohsix> ablate that shit
2017-01-07T10:41:21 < ReadErr> https://www.newvape.com/enail-vaporizers/
2017-01-07T10:41:45 < ohsix> i can't, i just can't
2017-01-07T10:43:42 < upgrdman> anal vaporizers huh
2017-01-07T10:43:50 < upgrdman> enail is a curious choice a name
2017-01-07T10:43:53 < ReadErr> yea just jam it in and crank it up
2017-01-07T10:44:13 < ReadErr> electronic nail 
2017-01-07T10:44:18 < ReadErr> not too crazy
2017-01-07T10:44:29 < upgrdman> nail? like a coke nail?
2017-01-07T10:44:41 < ohsix> like a piece of wood and a hammer, nail
2017-01-07T10:44:44 < upgrdman> o
2017-01-07T10:44:45 < ohsix> this is working class stuff upgrdman 
2017-01-07T10:44:54 < upgrdman> lol, wut?
2017-01-07T10:45:00 < ohsix> the branding
2017-01-07T10:45:05 < upgrdman> o
2017-01-07T10:45:06 < ohsix> the working man knows what nails are
2017-01-07T10:45:11 < ohsix> this is for them
2017-01-07T10:45:44 < ReadErr> https://www.newvape.com/domeless-nail-14mm-2343/
2017-01-07T10:45:47 < ReadErr> pretty simple 
2017-01-07T10:45:55 < ReadErr> just a piece of metal you heat with a torch
2017-01-07T10:46:06 < ohsix> for the drugs
2017-01-07T10:46:10 < ReadErr> then poke shit on it and it combust 
2017-01-07T10:46:38 < upgrdman> classy drug addicts these days
2017-01-07T10:47:15 < ReadErr> lol hardly
2017-01-07T10:47:24 < ReadErr> its like, crackhead shit
2017-01-07T10:47:30 < ohsix> nothing like doing some shit that stinks and leaves tools only for drugs all over the place
2017-01-07T10:47:33 < ReadErr> because smoking a joint takes too long
2017-01-07T10:47:36 < ReadErr> get it all in 1 hit
2017-01-07T10:48:17 < ReadErr> n e ways thats offtopic
2017-01-07T10:48:28 < ReadErr> I best not enrage the tribal elders anymore
2017-01-07T10:48:40 < ohsix> nah it's on topic enough, just duuuuuuuuuuumb huhu
2017-01-07T10:48:52 < ohsix> why dont' you make a special head for that stm32 soldering iron
2017-01-07T10:49:05 < ReadErr> They have these sweet 5" OLED displays
2017-01-07T10:49:31 < upgrdman> who has 5in oled?
2017-01-07T10:49:42 < dongs> what hte shit do  you display ona 5" oled on a vape
2017-01-07T10:49:56 < ohsix> the working man knows about oled, they like a big tv
2017-01-07T10:50:09 < upgrdman> dongs, history of your drug usage?
2017-01-07T10:50:19 < dongs> yeah, i was thinking maybe 3d spinning dongs
2017-01-07T10:50:26 < ohsix> dongs is why 'Oust!' is only sold in alaska
2017-01-07T10:50:55 < ReadErr> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-4-7-inch-256X128-dot-matrix-green-3-3V-OLED-module-wide-temperature-and/32552329181.html so much $$
2017-01-07T10:50:56 < upgrdman> "mr. niggerdicks has been steadily increasing his vape usage since september."
2017-01-07T10:51:00 < ReadErr> sorry 4.7
2017-01-07T10:51:14 < ohsix> someone ask dongs if he saw the yahoo news navy typo
2017-01-07T10:51:28 < ReadErr> not for vape
2017-01-07T10:51:42 < upgrdman> ReadErr, nice but jesus fuck why so expensive
2017-01-07T10:51:53 < upgrdman> iphone lcd+touch is cheaper than that
2017-01-07T10:51:59 < ReadErr> cant justify that at all
2017-01-07T10:52:04 < ReadErr> (the OLED)
2017-01-07T10:52:10 < ReadErr> I just liked the idea of it
2017-01-07T10:52:16 < ReadErr> big high contrast etc 
2017-01-07T10:52:24 < ReadErr> but not for $120 or w/e
2017-01-07T10:53:01 < ReadErr> even 2.4" jump to like 25-30
2017-01-07T10:53:59 < ReadErr> maybe just rock an bunch of 7 segments 
2017-01-07T10:54:31 < ohsix> evilmadscientists' shop got some 2ft tall ones a few days ago
2017-01-07T10:54:56 < ReadErr> dont need anything quite that big, just want to be able to look at it across the room and know whats up
2017-01-07T10:56:12 < ohsix> get one of those clocks with the projector
2017-01-07T10:56:19 < ohsix> or make it a twitter bot
2017-01-07T10:56:20 < ohsix> or
2017-01-07T10:56:26 < ohsix> beep
2017-01-07T10:57:34 < ReadErr> giant ws2812 matrix
2017-01-07T10:58:38 < ohsix> what is it going to display?
2017-01-07T10:58:42 < karlp> Laurenceb: stop using slimg. all your links are dead and it's not even 24hrs!
2017-01-07T10:58:50 < dongs> lol
2017-01-07T10:58:53 < dongs> stoner trash
2017-01-07T11:00:49 < ReadErr> just flash and make noise when its 4:20
2017-01-07T11:01:11 < ReadErr> no, keep track of output, pressure, swing time
2017-01-07T11:01:25 < ReadErr> so 7segment would be okay 
2017-01-07T11:02:11 < ohsix> you know what you should use
2017-01-07T11:02:14 < ohsix> that tape for cap guns
2017-01-07T11:02:23 < ohsix> good for 230 notifications per reel
2017-01-07T11:03:32 < ohsix> http://www.capgunstore.com/Paper-Roll-Caps-Super-Bang-1800-Caps-per-Package-30007.htm
2017-01-07T11:03:40 < ohsix> that's actually a good idea, don't do that
2017-01-07T11:04:19 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-07T11:04:52 < upgrdman> ohsix, should just get a bunch of firecrackers, and those pyrotechnic resistors from AVX or whoever it was
2017-01-07T11:05:06 < ohsix> it's got to reset itself
2017-01-07T11:05:28 < ohsix> the cap gun one can set off the last 3 with that notification or something to let you know it needs a reel change
2017-01-07T11:06:31 < dongs> vishay
2017-01-07T11:06:57 < ReadErr> doubt they sell to any normal pleb 
2017-01-07T11:06:59 < ohsix> oh shit
2017-01-07T11:07:06 < ReadErr> since they seemed to be made to order based on spec
2017-01-07T11:07:12 < ohsix> if you WERE using resistors that dramatically, you could get them on tape too
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2017-01-07T11:11:55 < ReadErr> does it have steroids
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2017-01-07T11:33:34 < dongs> https://youtu.be/H0VW6sg50Pk?t=56 my jewpad screens are all over that set
2017-01-07T11:34:56 < Spirit532> shameless plug
2017-01-07T11:34:58 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewjZmd1AcZo
2017-01-07T11:34:58 < Spirit532> :>
2017-01-07T11:37:39 < ohsix> you're too new to establish there is such a thing as shame
2017-01-07T11:39:25 < dongs> loldongs
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2017-01-07T11:48:58 < Steffanx> how you know it's your stuff dongs? They told you?
2017-01-07T11:49:19 < dongs> they bought it from ne
2017-01-07T11:49:20 < dongs> me
2017-01-07T11:50:03 < dongs> all teh panels and controllers on that set are mine, theres ipad stuff and regular eDP 13-17" panels
2017-01-07T11:50:37 < kOStiX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKC0VHWMTRI&feature=youtu.be
2017-01-07T11:50:42 < kOStiX> just recorded this on the new board
2017-01-07T11:50:49 < Steffanx> Im surprised there are no dicks on the screen dongs :P
2017-01-07T11:50:58 < dongs> thats cuz its a trailer
2017-01-07T11:51:01 < dongs> dicks are in the real movie
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2017-01-07T12:02:40 < stvn> o hi Steffanx 
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2017-01-07T12:23:34 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/seebotschat someone is really bored
2017-01-07T12:25:33 < stvn> yeah heard about that...
2017-01-07T12:26:44 < dongs> sounds like a typical o6-induced conversation in this channel
2017-01-07T12:26:59 < stvn> yeah :/ what a waste of  stm32
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2017-01-07T12:27:15 < dongs> are those google echo or wahtever shits
2017-01-07T12:27:26  * stvn shrugs
2017-01-07T12:28:12 < dongs> google home
2017-01-07T12:31:12 < stvn> i see
2017-01-07T12:32:19 < stvn> Marvell 88DE3006 Armada 1500 Mini Plus dual-core ARM Cortex-A7 media processor
2017-01-07T12:56:12 < ReadErr> is there any issues with gcc 5.4.x and LTO ?
2017-01-07T12:56:39 < ReadErr> code that worked previously needs lto turned off, not looked into it major yet
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2017-01-07T15:42:06 < ReadErr> that echo shit
2017-01-07T15:42:15 < ReadErr> records everything you say
2017-01-07T15:42:18 < ReadErr> and sends it off
2017-01-07T15:42:29 < jpa-> ReadErr: lto is excellent at exposing unexpected behaviours in code, even when the compiler is working correctly
2017-01-07T15:42:55 < ReadErr> jpa-: seems to be something different, maybe its the version of gcc I have extracted
2017-01-07T15:43:07 < ReadErr> it was a problem finding the binary or something
2017-01-07T15:43:42 < ReadErr> re-enabling 1sec
2017-01-07T15:43:51 < jpa-> if your vector table is funny, lto will pretty happily optimize away your whole binary
2017-01-07T15:44:36 < ReadErr> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/J06g4q0z/
2017-01-07T15:45:15 < ReadErr> but everything was kosher on 4.9
2017-01-07T15:45:34 < jpa-> you cleaned and rebuilt everything of course?
2017-01-07T15:45:38 < ReadErr> yup
2017-01-07T15:46:08 < ReadErr> hmmm I wonder if its how chibi does something dumb with the maps
2017-01-07T15:46:50 < ReadErr> or partition, I remember 1 version they changed that up so it broke some stuff and I had to add something 
2017-01-07T15:50:41 < ReadErr> chibios_16.1.3/os/common/ports/ARMCMx/compilers/GCC/ld/STM32F411xE.ld
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2017-01-07T15:52:58 < ReadErr> when they started adding 'REGION_ALIAS("HEAP_RAM", ram0);' 
2017-01-07T15:53:13 < ReadErr> too tired
2017-01-07T15:58:17 < ReadErr> https://answers.launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/+question/280242 bumblefuck
2017-01-07T15:58:28 < ReadErr> There is no timeline for the resolution but I just confirmed that this happens also with latest GCC development version in the bugzilla ticket (https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=69866) so this should attract more attention.
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2017-01-07T16:27:51 < Laurenceb_> like a boss
2017-01-07T16:27:53 < Laurenceb_> http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0954411916680235
2017-01-07T16:29:34 < Laurenceb_> their html formatting looks nasty :(
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2017-01-07T17:05:49 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/VkIZMUSRVzw?t=4m14s
2017-01-07T17:17:12 < sync_> Laurenceb_: just install 6 axis platforms in every ambulance and there will be no issues
2017-01-07T17:17:42 < ReadErr> tectu must be hiding since he knows imma yell at him
2017-01-07T17:18:19 < Laurenceb_> also there is a mob of parasitic jews in the coauthors section
2017-01-07T17:18:26 < Laurenceb_> thats a problem for sure
2017-01-07T17:19:25 < Laurenceb_> sync_: 6 axis platform wont damp vibration
2017-01-07T17:19:40 < Laurenceb_> luckily vibration is easy to damp with good mounts
2017-01-07T17:19:50 < Laurenceb_> so its actually quite an easy problem to fix
2017-01-07T17:20:06 < sync_> well at 9Hz you can build a platform that will be faster
2017-01-07T17:20:36 < sync_> 6 linmot linear actuators, imu on both bodies and pfft
2017-01-07T17:21:02 < Spirit532> linmot is dollars
2017-01-07T17:21:24 < Spirit532> most of their motors can only be paid for in pretty much the equal volume of hundred-dollar bills
2017-01-07T17:21:26 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-07T17:22:38 < sync_> they are not bad value for money
2017-01-07T17:22:45 < Spirit532> certainly not
2017-01-07T17:22:50 < Spirit532> but they are bad money for wallet
2017-01-07T17:22:55 < sync_> so what
2017-01-07T17:23:01 < Spirit532> give me your wallet
2017-01-07T17:23:02 < Laurenceb_> there is "damping" built into the transport system atm
2017-01-07T17:23:21 < Laurenceb_> problem is it resonates at around 9 to 12hz
2017-01-07T17:23:31 < Laurenceb_> which is literally the worst thing that could happen
2017-01-07T17:23:43 < Spirit532> without damping you'd get thoroughly tenderized after a drive on any less-than-perfect road
2017-01-07T17:24:12 < sync_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNIKKa8p25M
2017-01-07T17:24:21 < Laurenceb_> it turned out that the tenderisation was more a function of engine vibration than road conditions
2017-01-07T17:24:35 < Spirit532> not really
2017-01-07T17:24:49 < Spirit532> try replacing your support springs in the car with a solid bar
2017-01-07T17:24:51 < Laurenceb_> heh I made it to the university prospectus
2017-01-07T17:24:59 < Laurenceb_> whole page spread on vibration monitoring
2017-01-07T17:25:05 < Spirit532> seriously
2017-01-07T17:25:09 < Spirit532> try driving without a suspension
2017-01-07T17:25:18 < Thorn> "How to shake baby using GPS and STM32"
2017-01-07T17:25:33 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-07T17:25:58 < sync_> mount the engine on voicecoil actuators
2017-01-07T17:26:34 < Spirit532> I think BMW tried active suspension 
2017-01-07T17:26:47 < Spirit532> they came up with something along the lines of "fucking expensive" and it never got to market
2017-01-07T17:26:49 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-07T17:28:02 < ReadErr> s/tenderisation/tendieisation
2017-01-07T17:28:34 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: u where right, that girl was an idiot
2017-01-07T17:36:30 < Laurenceb_> Spirit532: suspension is a non issue
2017-01-07T17:43:08 < Laurenceb_> its good enough, and engine vibration is the issue
2017-01-07T17:45:34 < Laurenceb_> ReadErr: dont read the ED page on her or you have to take a seat over there
2017-01-07T17:46:21 < Laurenceb_> I got trolled and scrolled down to the underage nudes folder which they said they had deleted
2017-01-07T17:47:10 < Laurenceb_> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/452/990/89f.gif
2017-01-07T17:48:26 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: lol i dont ED
2017-01-07T17:48:40 < ReadErr> not hard like u anyways
2017-01-07T17:48:49 < Laurenceb_> ur missing the dank and quality memes 
2017-01-07T17:49:30 < ReadErr> well thats why i have you
2017-01-07T17:49:33 < ReadErr> to bring me the primo
2017-01-07T17:53:35 < Laurenceb_> she is often on chaturbate
2017-01-07T17:53:59 < Laurenceb_> but so is Laci Green
2017-01-07T17:54:18 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/gogreen18?lang=en
2017-01-07T17:54:36 < Laurenceb_>  " I teach sex ed on YouTube" lul nice euphemism
2017-01-07T17:54:45 < ReadErr> wat
2017-01-07T17:54:50 < ReadErr> isnt that a camwhore site
2017-01-07T17:54:57 < ReadErr> do you do the ED IRC?
2017-01-07T17:55:09 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw-1xmOUUAQT23c.jpg
2017-01-07T17:55:22 < Laurenceb_> nope I'm not _that_ sad
2017-01-07T17:55:37 < ReadErr> lol I always hear about dramas popppin off over there
2017-01-07T17:55:40 < ReadErr> never been on it tho
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2017-01-07T17:56:53 < Laurenceb_> usually they get brigaded by fans of e-celebs/camwhores they trolled
2017-01-07T17:58:07 < Laurenceb_> I wrote the ED pages on animal research back in the day
2017-01-07T17:59:33 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Animal_Liberation_Front
2017-01-07T18:03:43 < ReadErr> ALF lol
2017-01-07T18:04:29 < Laurenceb_> hmmm my first page has been deleted :(
2017-01-07T18:05:33 < Laurenceb_> I did help write this one tho https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Richard_Dawkins
2017-01-07T18:08:44 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw
2017-01-07T18:08:49 < Laurenceb_> skip lame intro
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2017-01-07T18:54:02 < kakimir> tesla p100d was pretty nice
2017-01-07T18:54:23 < zyp> S or X?
2017-01-07T18:54:33 < kakimir> S ofc
2017-01-07T18:54:52 < zyp> it's not of course, as far as I know they both have a P100D variant
2017-01-07T18:55:19 < zyp> and I don't doubt that the X is pretty nice as well
2017-01-07T18:55:40 < englishman> they cost about the same
2017-01-07T18:56:21 < zyp> kakimir, by the way, what sort of benefits do EVs get in .fi?
2017-01-07T18:57:41 < kakimir> tax is paid per co2
2017-01-07T18:57:57 < kakimir> so it's minimum tax
2017-01-07T18:58:02 < kakimir> no other benefits
2017-01-07T18:58:34 < zyp> minimum as in zero, or just less than other cars?
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2017-01-07T18:59:06 < kakimir> non zero
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2017-01-07T19:08:09 < kakimir> 200e/year and some huge chunk off the actual price of the car
2017-01-07T19:08:43 < kakimir> in funland tax in car price like 50%
2017-01-07T19:08:48 < kakimir> or more
2017-01-07T19:11:45 < kakimir> but the car is still 130k
2017-01-07T19:11:52 < Laurenceb_> heh pwnd
2017-01-07T19:12:02 < Laurenceb_> at least the tax seems sensible
2017-01-07T19:12:10 < Laurenceb_> electric car is far from CO2 free
2017-01-07T19:15:28 < Laurenceb_> yay I made pubmed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=neonatal+head+and+torso+vibration+during+inter-hospital+transfer
2017-01-07T19:16:40 < Laurenceb_> now I have moar "science" than emdrive
2017-01-07T19:17:52 < zyp> Laurenceb_, on what basis?
2017-01-07T19:18:32 < Laurenceb_> they only have one published paper aiui
2017-01-07T19:18:39 < zyp> no, co2
2017-01-07T19:18:53 < Laurenceb_> well generation emissions
2017-01-07T19:19:01 < Laurenceb_> Norway is cool, they have hydropower
2017-01-07T19:20:00 < zyp> it's a bit unfair to compare the power plant emissions vs the emissions from a gas car, unless you also count the emissions involved in gas production
2017-01-07T19:20:11 < kakimir> co2 free is like a complete lie but it's not the reason why you buy something like model S
2017-01-07T19:21:19 < Laurenceb_> co2 emissions involved in gas production are small compared with the emissions from the car
2017-01-07T19:21:28 < kakimir> is some countries even the electricity is completelly made with hydrocarbons or carbon
2017-01-07T19:22:15 < kakimir> but there is the point that big plant has very high efficiency compared to car engine
2017-01-07T19:22:20 < kakimir> like over 50%
2017-01-07T19:22:27 < kakimir> over 60
2017-01-07T19:22:31 < Laurenceb_> yeah, if its close to 100% coal then its going to be close to as bad as petrol/diesel
2017-01-07T19:23:00 < zyp> Laurenceb_, I've read claims that the electricity required to refine enough gas to drive a given distance is comparable to the electricity required to drive an EV the same distance
2017-01-07T19:23:02 < Laurenceb_> there is a small efficiency advantage but there are also emissions due to battery manufacturing
2017-01-07T19:23:24 < Laurenceb_> hardly any electricity is used in petrol/diesel production
2017-01-07T19:23:44 < zyp> so you say
2017-01-07T19:23:56 < kakimir> getting that NOx and COx out of city air of course is big benefit
2017-01-07T19:23:56  * Laurenceb_ suspects that CNG hybrid vehicles would be better than electric in most countries
2017-01-07T19:24:01 < Laurenceb_> not in norway tho
2017-01-07T19:24:11 < kakimir> as production is not at center of cities
2017-01-07T19:24:14 < zyp> oh, and then there's transporting the gas to the gas stations as well
2017-01-07T19:24:32 < Laurenceb_> tiny rounding error
2017-01-07T19:24:41 < zyp> and I think you're underestimating the efficiency difference
2017-01-07T19:25:17 < Laurenceb_> about 0.1% of the energy is used for the tanker
2017-01-07T19:25:28 < kakimir> nothing
2017-01-07T19:25:36 < Laurenceb_> compared to several % in the electricity network
2017-01-07T19:26:06 < kakimir> it's issue of producing electricity locally
2017-01-07T19:26:15 < Laurenceb_> nah, not worth doing that
2017-01-07T19:26:17 < kakimir> versus centralized production
2017-01-07T19:26:31 < Laurenceb_> several % is still small, and centralised boosts the efficiency
2017-01-07T19:26:42 < zyp> depends on the kind
2017-01-07T19:26:57 < zyp> distributed solar is going to become big in the future
2017-01-07T19:28:14 < Laurenceb_> only if there is storage
2017-01-07T19:28:22 < Laurenceb_> Germany is already close to maxed out
2017-01-07T19:28:23 < zyp> like the car battery?
2017-01-07T19:28:32 < Laurenceb_> lul good luck affording it
2017-01-07T19:28:40 < zyp> affording what?
2017-01-07T19:28:45 < Laurenceb_> or networking the cars so they cant be driven half the time
2017-01-07T19:28:49 < Laurenceb_> enough battery storage
2017-01-07T19:28:59 < zyp> cars aren't driven half the time
2017-01-07T19:29:43 < zyp> most cars are mostly driven to work and from work, the rest of the time they're sitting outside your house or work
2017-01-07T19:29:52 < kakimir> tesla auto shiettes couldn't do winter
2017-01-07T19:29:55 < Laurenceb_> UK storage for one night would be >UKP25 billion
2017-01-07T19:30:03 < Laurenceb_> not happening any time soon
2017-01-07T19:30:29 < Laurenceb_> and for renewable you need days of storage
2017-01-07T19:30:32 < zyp> I didn't say solar would be the only power source
2017-01-07T19:31:10 < Laurenceb_> cryogenic thermal storage looks interesting
2017-01-07T19:31:29 < zyp> I'm just saying that at the current price point, putting solar panels on your roof will break even in a few years
2017-01-07T19:31:45 < kakimir> have you done calculations if buiding energy storages would be profitable?
2017-01-07T19:31:47 < zyp> and the cost is on the way down
2017-01-07T19:32:14 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: very profitable if you can come up with a way to build it cheap
2017-01-07T19:32:33 < kakimir> you need megawatts of power
2017-01-07T19:32:39 < kakimir> to have any effect
2017-01-07T19:32:40 < Laurenceb_> gigawatts
2017-01-07T19:32:44 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-07T19:32:48 < Laurenceb_> and hundreds of gigawatt hours
2017-01-07T19:33:04 < Laurenceb_> cryogenic thermal storage could do that
2017-01-07T19:34:13 < kakimir> in nuclear plant's they actually use inertia of turbine to store mechanical energy
2017-01-07T19:34:20 < kakimir> or something like that
2017-01-07T19:34:45 < kakimir> they also have big enought generators attached
2017-01-07T19:41:36 < kakimir> building gigawatt generator connected to several million kilogram flywheel doesn't sound like a size possible to start with
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2017-01-07T19:44:48 < kakimir> something to buffer arc furnace power requirements
2017-01-07T19:45:29 < kakimir> maybe it's easier to do all the small branches off network with smaller buffers
2017-01-07T19:45:46 < Laurenceb_> >be britbong
2017-01-07T19:45:54 < Laurenceb_> >walk to work at the spoon and fork registry 
2017-01-07T19:46:07 < Laurenceb_> >see women getting raped in streets by gangs of tolerant muslims
2017-01-07T19:46:15 < Laurenceb_> >shrug your shoulders and continue walking
2017-01-07T19:46:22 < Laurenceb_> >something catches your attention out of the corner of your eye
2017-01-07T19:46:29 < Laurenceb_> >its a polish
2017-01-07T19:46:40 < Laurenceb_> >OY LADS KILL HIM!
2017-01-07T19:46:48 < Laurenceb_> >dozens of bongs appear out of thin air and begin to beat the man to death
2017-01-07T19:46:52 < Laurenceb_>  /b/ delivers
2017-01-07T19:47:47 < kakimir> what is britbong?
2017-01-07T19:48:08 < Laurenceb_> ... dude seriously
2017-01-07T19:48:16 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-07T19:48:29 < Laurenceb_> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=britbongistan
2017-01-07T19:49:14 < kakimir> what is wrong with europe Laurenceb_ ?
2017-01-07T19:49:21 < kakimir> why allah?
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2017-01-07T19:49:46 < Laurenceb_> cuz its the way to great justice
2017-01-07T19:50:06 < Laurenceb_> I dunno ask the irc isis guys lol
2017-01-07T19:50:19 < BrainDamage> has it ever crossed your mind that to anyone that doesn't crawl your toxic dump imageboards most of the "memes" you past sound like nonsense?
2017-01-07T19:50:53 < kakimir> he is too deep in there BrainDamage you can't save him
2017-01-07T19:52:03 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qZg3zOkpw
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2017-01-07T19:56:34 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: how to build energy buffers in current electricity network optimally and how would the network reconfigure as buffers would allow network structure to change?
2017-01-07T19:57:04 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: non issue
2017-01-07T19:57:10 < kakimir> and where would those buffers be then placed
2017-01-07T19:57:18 < Laurenceb_> how to build cost effective energy storage is the question
2017-01-07T19:59:35 < karlp> Laurenceb_: are you really claiming that in a nation with 100% coal powered electrcitiy plants, that petrol cars are similar in pollution to electyric cars? what are you smoking?
2017-01-07T19:59:51 < Laurenceb_> karlp: maths
2017-01-07T20:01:09 < zyp> it's a common myth, but I believe it's been refuted
2017-01-07T20:01:20 < zyp> but I cba to argue it, so whatever
2017-01-07T20:01:23 < BrainDamage> care to show the math?
2017-01-07T20:01:38 < Laurenceb_> ok so electric car uses about 3Mj/mile
2017-01-07T20:01:48 < BrainDamage> especially the transport and storage efficiency figures
2017-01-07T20:02:00 < Laurenceb_> coal plant is about 36% efficient
2017-01-07T20:02:06 < BrainDamage> and where you got them from
2017-01-07T20:02:14 < Laurenceb_> 8.5MJ/mile
2017-01-07T20:02:17 < Laurenceb_> published data
2017-01-07T20:02:48 < zyp> Laurenceb_, hahaha
2017-01-07T20:02:57 < zyp> you're dead wrong
2017-01-07T20:04:00 < englishman> Laurenceb_: also dont forget cars are like 15% efficient
2017-01-07T20:04:43 < zyp> Laurenceb_, sanity check this for me: https://www.google.no/search?q=3+megajoules+per+mile+in+kilowatthours+per+100km
2017-01-07T20:05:12 < kakimir> I calculated once how big the flywheel would need to be for 100kwh
2017-01-07T20:05:15 < zyp> are you actually basing your math on EVs using 52kWh/100km?
2017-01-07T20:05:19 < Laurenceb_> zyp: seems ot match with real world tesla data yes
2017-01-07T20:05:37 < zyp> no it doesn't
2017-01-07T20:05:46 < kakimir> two and half tonne glass fiber flywheel spinning around 1400rpm
2017-01-07T20:05:56 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: way way way way way too expensive
2017-01-07T20:06:23 < zyp> tesla is in the low 20s, my car does 12-13 in summer, hyundai ioniq is barely over 10
2017-01-07T20:06:28 < kakimir> how about concrete?
2017-01-07T20:06:40 < Laurenceb_> uk car average is 200grams CO2/mile
2017-01-07T20:07:01 < kakimir> isn't steel reinforced concrete te shit when you need to build cheap
2017-01-07T20:07:02 < Laurenceb_> 8.5MJ/mile coal is 810grams CO2/mile
2017-01-07T20:07:10 < Laurenceb_> so electric is 4 times worse
2017-01-07T20:07:34 < Laurenceb_> is tesla is really 20 its still 60% worse
2017-01-07T20:07:40 < Laurenceb_> *if
2017-01-07T20:08:03 < Laurenceb_> and thats average for UK vehicles from department of transport
2017-01-07T20:08:29 < zyp> again only counting the emissions from the car itself
2017-01-07T20:08:31 < Laurenceb_> Tesla is an environmental disaster
2017-01-07T20:08:43 < englishman> lol
2017-01-07T20:09:07 < englishman> the solution is coal-powered coars
2017-01-07T20:09:12 < zyp> given how wrong your figure for EV consumption is, I'm not very inclined to trust any of your other numbers either
2017-01-07T20:09:30 < englishman> Laurenceb_: for an academic phd you sure are putting the title to shame
2017-01-07T20:10:55 < Laurenceb_> Musk fanboys spotted
2017-01-07T20:11:02 < englishman> i disagree
2017-01-07T20:11:08 < englishman> teslas are shit
2017-01-07T20:11:15 < englishman> but you are wrong about EVs
2017-01-07T20:11:25 < kakimir> shit or the shit?
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2017-01-07T20:12:51 < Laurenceb_> ok using the official figures, call its 25kwh/100km
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2017-01-07T20:13:09 < englishman> how is that an official figure
2017-01-07T20:13:13 < englishman> https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/models/design
2017-01-07T20:13:17 < englishman> 100kWh, 507km
2017-01-07T20:13:17 < Laurenceb_> EPA figures
2017-01-07T20:13:22 < Laurenceb_> with their own testing
2017-01-07T20:13:30 < Laurenceb_> Tesla are full of shit as is Musk
2017-01-07T20:13:34 < englishman> sure
2017-01-07T20:13:40 < englishman> thats still closer than 52
2017-01-07T20:13:46 < zyp> EPA figures are pretty accurate actually
2017-01-07T20:13:49 < Laurenceb_> about 1.5MJ/mile
2017-01-07T20:13:50 < zyp> unlike NEDC figures
2017-01-07T20:14:12 < Laurenceb_> 4MJ/mile thermal
2017-01-07T20:14:41 < Laurenceb_> 385gram CO2/mile for coal
2017-01-07T20:14:53 < englishman> that's fantastic
2017-01-07T20:15:01 < englishman> now everyone in your country has switched to EVs
2017-01-07T20:15:01 < Laurenceb_> about the same as us vehicle fleet average
2017-01-07T20:15:10 < englishman> but your country has not kept up and is still building coal
2017-01-07T20:15:11 < Laurenceb_> UK fleet is 200
2017-01-07T20:15:11 < englishman>  = youre fucked
2017-01-07T20:16:11 < englishman> what 3rd world countries burn coal?
2017-01-07T20:16:14 < englishman> uk, usa, india, pakistan
2017-01-07T20:16:49 < BrainDamage> china
2017-01-07T20:17:02 < zyp> Laurenceb_, don't forget to consider that tesla competes with highend cars with huge engines
2017-01-07T20:17:11 < englishman> yes
2017-01-07T20:17:17 < englishman> a $200k car better be good
2017-01-07T20:17:17 < zyp> huge bmws and the likes
2017-01-07T20:17:18 < englishman> EV or no
2017-01-07T20:17:21 < englishman> with a 3 month waitlist
2017-01-07T20:18:22 < Laurenceb_> best CCGT for 100% of the electricity gives 150g CO2/mile
2017-01-07T20:18:24 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: you need maybe 2 kind of storages
2017-01-07T20:18:28 < kakimir> high power
2017-01-07T20:18:32 < kakimir> and high density
2017-01-07T20:18:48 < kakimir> high power when you switch shiet like arc furnaces on and off
2017-01-07T20:18:59 < kakimir> adjust period is like 5-10minutes
2017-01-07T20:19:08 < kakimir> then another type for solar and wind
2017-01-07T20:19:49 < kakimir> placed right at turbines and solar power plants
2017-01-07T20:19:53 < Laurenceb_> so Tesla  + state of the art CCGT is 12% worse than new diesel
2017-01-07T20:19:55 < kakimir> that have periods in days
2017-01-07T20:20:15 < zyp> Laurenceb_, again assuming that refining diesel doesn't consume any energy
2017-01-07T20:21:06 < englishman> Laurenceb_: these numbers are way worse lol https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&t=11
2017-01-07T20:21:23 < englishman> thats like 800g co2 / kWh
2017-01-07T20:22:00 < englishman> 938g
2017-01-07T20:22:07 < Laurenceb_> http://www.afteroilev.com/Pub/CO2_Emissions_from_Refining_Diesel.pdf
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2017-01-07T20:22:15 < Laurenceb_> almost 89% refining efficiency
2017-01-07T20:22:26 < Laurenceb_> so still advantage to new diesel
2017-01-07T20:22:46 < Laurenceb_> also a few % electricity transmission loss
2017-01-07T20:23:08 < englishman> actually that matches
2017-01-07T20:23:11 < englishman> .377g / mile
2017-01-07T20:23:15 < englishman> lol
2017-01-07T20:23:18 < englishman> coal is fucking horrible
2017-01-07T20:23:56 < englishman> err kg
2017-01-07T20:25:13 < englishman> Laurenceb_: again you are assuming 100% of your power comes from coal
2017-01-07T20:25:30 < englishman> which maybe is true in shit countries like uk
2017-01-07T20:26:04 < zyp> nah, that's not true either
2017-01-07T20:26:56 < zyp> uk is like 25-30% coal
2017-01-07T20:27:00 < zyp> it seems
2017-01-07T20:27:11 < zyp> idk how fresh these numbers are
2017-01-07T20:27:39 < englishman> lol diesel is way worse still
2017-01-07T20:27:43 < englishman> Laurenceb_ forgot you have to burn it
2017-01-07T20:27:54 < englishman> 22.38 pounds c02 / gallon
2017-01-07T20:28:11 < englishman> @15mpg is 677g/mile already
2017-01-07T20:28:30 < zyp> is 15mpg a realistic number?
2017-01-07T20:28:41 < englishman> id think so
2017-01-07T20:28:47 < englishman> even at 30mpg
2017-01-07T20:29:04 < englishman> its the same just for the burning of diesel as a 100% coal powered car
2017-01-07T20:29:40 < englishman> let alone all the other things you mentioned, extraction, transport, refining, transport, storage losses
2017-01-07T20:30:22 < englishman> if diesel was so great power plants would burn it instead of coal
2017-01-07T20:30:53 < zyp> uh, 30mpg is like 0.8l/10km
2017-01-07T20:31:11 < zyp> doesn't modern diesels do better?
2017-01-07T20:31:30 < zyp> my parents car does 0.4
2017-01-07T20:31:57 < englishman> rated or actual
2017-01-07T20:32:04 < zyp> actual
2017-01-07T20:32:14 < englishman> 58mpg
2017-01-07T20:32:16 < englishman> that's really good
2017-01-07T20:32:28 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/4dWi3.jpg <- here's from one time I borrowed it
2017-01-07T20:32:38 < englishman> vw?
2017-01-07T20:32:48 < zyp> volvo
2017-01-07T20:32:53 < englishman> really
2017-01-07T20:32:56 < englishman> i should upgrade
2017-01-07T20:33:03 < englishman> this thing drinks like a russian
2017-01-07T20:33:12 < zyp> 2005 V70 D5 something
2017-01-07T20:33:20 < englishman> wow its not even new
2017-01-07T20:33:41 < englishman> i find that hard to believe tho
2017-01-07T20:33:43 < zyp> to be fair, this was on a 80kph limited road
2017-01-07T20:33:46 < englishman> that car is like 3400lbs
2017-01-07T20:33:49 < englishman> yes
2017-01-07T20:33:53 < englishman> that was instantaneous right
2017-01-07T20:33:56 < englishman> not average
2017-01-07T20:33:57 < zyp> so it's probably not very comparable to highway consumption
2017-01-07T20:33:59 < englishman> i cant translate
2017-01-07T20:34:05 < zyp> average over 100km or so
2017-01-07T20:34:13 < sync_> well 4-6l/100km is possible
2017-01-07T20:34:29 < zyp> yeah, smaller cars do it all the time
2017-01-07T20:35:07 < sync_> I wonder how it looks in the total energy consumed over the lifetime
2017-01-07T20:35:16 < sync_> as all the downsizing engines do not last
2017-01-07T20:35:33 < sync_> and if the small numbers are representative
2017-01-07T20:37:16 < sync_> from experience the small engines are also not having an easy life
2017-01-07T20:49:43 < Laurenceb_> you can find the published figures for co2/km
2017-01-07T20:50:00 < Laurenceb_> new UK diesels are below 90grams/km
2017-01-07T20:50:29 < Laurenceb_> if you trust EPA figures for Tesla it seems reasonable to trust those figures
2017-01-07T20:51:07 < zyp> which standard is that by?
2017-01-07T20:51:26 < zyp> like I mentioned before, NEDC (european) is a lot more lenient than EPA (american)
2017-01-07T20:52:21 < zyp> which is why NEDC is due to be replaced by WLTP
2017-01-07T20:52:45 < Laurenceb_> or another way
2017-01-07T20:52:59 < englishman> lol not trusting any diesel emissions numbers
2017-01-07T20:53:01 < englishman> post-DIESELGATE
2017-01-07T20:53:09 < zyp> haha
2017-01-07T20:53:19 < Laurenceb_> Defra UK co2 emissions is 527grams/kwh
2017-01-07T20:53:38 < Laurenceb_> at 24kwh/100km thats 127grams/km
2017-01-07T20:53:40 < englishman> https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-7904-software_defined_emissions
2017-01-07T20:53:43 < englishman> https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8131-dieselgate_a_year_later
2017-01-07T20:53:56 < Laurenceb_>  41% worse than diesel
2017-01-07T20:54:14 < zyp> englishman, IIRC dieselgate were about nox, not co2
2017-01-07T20:54:40 < englishman> several topics are covered in these talks actually
2017-01-07T20:55:28 < Laurenceb_> in fact 2L diesel vauxhall insignia is 98grams/km
2017-01-07T20:55:42 < Laurenceb_> thats a semi executivish car
2017-01-07T20:56:50 < sync_> > insignia
2017-01-07T20:56:54 < sync_> > executive car
2017-01-07T20:56:56 < sync_> pls
2017-01-07T20:57:05 < Laurenceb_> teehee
2017-01-07T20:57:19 < Laurenceb_>  16% better than best Tesla
2017-01-07T20:57:35 < Laurenceb_> what does BWM look like then...
2017-01-07T21:00:14 < Laurenceb_> it looks like their site crashed my browser
2017-01-07T21:00:25 < Laurenceb_> hellscript
2017-01-07T21:02:25 < Laurenceb_> lots of BWM around 106
2017-01-07T21:03:04 < kakimir> they should make 6litre diesel cars again
2017-01-07T21:03:13 < kakimir> TDI
2017-01-07T21:03:30 < kakimir> just have valve control to turn some cylinders off
2017-01-07T21:04:45 < Laurenceb_>  5% better than Telsa
2017-01-07T21:05:25 < englishman> sadly vag said they'll never sell a diesel in north america ever again
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2017-01-07T21:05:33 < englishman> so no more V12 diesels :(
2017-01-07T21:05:51 < kakimir> that's some fagotry
2017-01-07T21:06:07 < kakimir> what was the issue?
2017-01-07T21:06:10 < englishman> well they should not have defrauded hundreds of thousands of people and the government of tens of nations
2017-01-07T21:06:31 < englishman> kakimir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
2017-01-07T21:06:35 < Laurenceb_> http://www.nextgreencar.com/view-car/51867/bmw-5-series-saloon-518d-luxury-auto-diesel-automatic-8-speed/
2017-01-07T21:06:41 < Laurenceb_> lul this is as good as Tesla
2017-01-07T21:06:55 < kakimir> englishman: I know
2017-01-07T21:06:56 < englishman> are you still going with 100% coal power
2017-01-07T21:07:29 < englishman> Laurenceb_: how many grams of co2 would the UK save by killing all royalty
2017-01-07T21:07:32 < Laurenceb_> englishman: no, UK figures for CO2 emissions from power
2017-01-07T21:07:50 < aandrew> ooh i missed diesel talks
2017-01-07T21:07:56 < aandrew> my 2015 passat TDI is part of that scandal
2017-01-07T21:07:57 < englishman> no they are still going on
2017-01-07T21:08:03 < kakimir> I wonder where they find transmissions for those 6litre TDIs englishman 
2017-01-07T21:08:07 < englishman> ZF?
2017-01-07T21:08:19 < kakimir> it must be like 800Nm torque
2017-01-07T21:08:39 < englishman> aandrew: how are they treating canadians vs. americans?
2017-01-07T21:08:42 < kakimir> and chip tuned by buyer
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2017-01-07T21:10:11 < Laurenceb_> Telsa is only 3% better than uk vehicle fleet weighted by usage
2017-01-07T21:10:40 < Laurenceb_> using 2016 UK CO2 equivalent emission from power generation
2017-01-07T21:11:20 < aandrew> englishman: well, they said oneo f my options is to let them buy my car back at the book value before the scandal roke
2017-01-07T21:11:23 < aandrew> broke
2017-01-07T21:11:39 < aandrew> I'm thinking of doing that, then turning around and buying the same year/model at today's value
2017-01-07T21:11:45 < aandrew> the car itself is great
2017-01-07T21:11:47 < aandrew> decent mileage
2017-01-07T21:12:00 < aandrew> probably the only time in my life I'd make money on a vehicle
2017-01-07T21:12:20 < englishman> ive had a peek at this era of cars, and prices seem to have gone up
2017-01-07T21:12:23 < englishman> they are still desirable
2017-01-07T21:12:29 < englishman> and now, they are rare
2017-01-07T21:12:57 < aandrew> oh?
2017-01-07T21:13:14 < aandrew> I like the car, wouldn't mind getting the highline trim level rather than middle one whatever it's called
2017-01-07T21:13:33 < englishman> well yeah, if prices had dropped so much, i'd love an upgrade
2017-01-07T21:13:44 < aandrew> what've you got?
2017-01-07T21:13:50 < englishman> 2006 golf tdi
2017-01-07T21:13:52 < englishman> 160k km
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2017-01-07T21:14:42 < aandrew> nice. I just broke 50kkm
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2017-01-07T21:21:25 < kakimir> englishman: any idea how much tuners have cranked out of that 6litre TDI vw had?
2017-01-07T21:21:50 < englishman> sync would know
2017-01-07T21:22:29 < kakimir> there is no way to add comments in multiline macros?
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2017-01-07T21:23:44 < Steffanx>  /* */ should work kakimir ..
2017-01-07T21:24:03 < Steffanx>  /* ghjfgj */ \ 
2017-01-07T21:24:17 < kakimir> befor \?
2017-01-07T21:27:31 < kakimir> works
2017-01-07T21:28:48 < Laurenceb_> Musk fanboys need to be trolled hard with CO2 figures
2017-01-07T21:32:59 < englishman> maybe you should sell some of the queen's jewels, throw her in a coal furnace and stop burning gas and oil for electricity
2017-01-07T21:33:32 < kakimir> being brit like sucks because there is no natural reserves of anything
2017-01-07T21:33:59 < kakimir> just grass
2017-01-07T21:34:45 < kakimir> correct Laurenceb_ ?
2017-01-07T21:35:01 < Laurenceb_> correct
2017-01-07T21:40:15 < kakimir> how does that even work?
2017-01-07T21:45:21 < kakimir> my copypaste soltion for error stuff has error in it https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZkVsdHFrbWhYQTA/view?usp=sharing
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2017-01-07T21:46:03 < kakimir> expected a '}'
2017-01-07T21:46:06 < kakimir> says
2017-01-07T21:50:35 < Laurenceb_> http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/hold-smugness-tesla-might-just-worse-environment-know/
2017-01-07T21:50:41 < kakimir> oh I did rename shiet
2017-01-07T21:51:36 < kakimir> PARAM_CODING_ERROR_CODES and it works
2017-01-07T21:51:43 < englishman> how many BTUs would immolating the entire royal family produce Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-07T21:51:56 < Laurenceb_> not enough
2017-01-07T21:52:00 < Laurenceb_> but worth it anway
2017-01-07T21:53:20 < kakimir> I heard that the palace is to be renovated
2017-01-07T21:54:12 < kakimir> and taxpayers are butthurt
2017-01-07T21:54:30 < kakimir> like 0.5B would be anything
2017-01-07T21:56:41 < kakimir> slightly under 10GBP per capita
2017-01-07T22:02:42 < kakimir> is there any system to probe all modules included into project=
2017-01-07T22:03:44 < kakimir> without predefined symbols
2017-01-07T22:16:29 < upgrdman> lol, looks like asus cloned the surface pro 4    http://www.asus.com/2-in-1-PCs/ASUS-Transformer-3-Pro-T303UA/
2017-01-07T22:16:58 < upgrdman> they changes the ports, made it thicker, and it has a bigger bezel... but otherwise it looks like a 100% clone... lol
2017-01-07T22:19:15 < jpa-> they also cloned macbook, the new zenbook only has one usb connector
2017-01-07T22:19:38 < kakimir> mine has 3
2017-01-07T22:19:41 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-07T22:19:54 < kakimir> zenbook
2017-01-07T22:20:02 < englishman> a pal has an acer or asus or whatever surface bro clone
2017-01-07T22:20:04 < englishman> and its horrible
2017-01-07T22:20:06 < englishman> like 1" bezel
2017-01-07T22:20:14 < englishman> horrible flimsy design
2017-01-07T22:20:15 < kakimir> my sistor doesn't have one usb in his macbook
2017-01-07T22:20:20 < englishman> just crap all around
2017-01-07T22:20:23 < kakimir> hers*
2017-01-07T22:20:36 < kakimir> just some usb-c
2017-01-07T22:22:47 < aandrew> I have the feeling that altium sucks the fuck with reannotation when channels are involved
2017-01-07T22:25:48 < aandrew> yep, it seems lost
2017-01-07T23:03:10 < ohsix> ReadErr: lul i missed a registered package from taiwain on friday, wonder if smile dude actually sent those gps after the negs
2017-01-07T23:03:24 < ohsix> no idea what else it could be
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2017-01-07T23:33:24 < Steffanx> SARS in a package ohsix.
2017-01-07T23:33:35 < Steffanx> You screw him, he screws you
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2017-01-07T23:57:45 < kakimir> can there be like some uniform function per module so that it can be called for every module to retrive information of the module?
2017-01-07T23:58:05 < kakimir> or something
2017-01-07T23:58:10 < kakimir> interface
2017-01-07T23:58:38 < kakimir> pass some function pointers for error related stuff or anything
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2017-01-08T00:00:32 < Thorn> >what does it cost to certify your IoT cellular connection? Think in the $50k range, or more.
2017-01-08T00:02:26 < ohsix> certify it for what
2017-01-08T00:02:49 < ohsix> Steffanx: lul he lied tho
2017-01-08T00:03:20 < ohsix> kakimir: that's usually just convention, if you want to get the linker involved, maybe
2017-01-08T00:03:59 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-08T00:04:44 < ohsix> glib/gcc already has init/fini stuff for 'modules', and you can do them in any file for random functions and the c starup code willc all them
2017-01-08T00:05:01 < ohsix> that's a point where you could register the module information for lookup later
2017-01-08T00:05:26 < ohsix> all it does for you is run the machinery to put the modules in a list or something before main() tho, and you can still do that yourself
2017-01-08T00:05:37 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-08T00:05:56 < kakimir> there is not portable solution?
2017-01-08T00:06:26 < ohsix> it'll work wherever glibc is used ;]
2017-01-08T00:06:33 < kakimir> oh
2017-01-08T00:07:02 < ohsix> other lunix libc's have something similar i think, since they're built with gcc too, and have similar startup stubs
2017-01-08T00:07:56 < ohsix> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gccint/Initialization.html
2017-01-08T00:08:19 < ohsix> what do you actually have in mind / what are you doing
2017-01-08T00:08:27 < kakimir> nuthing
2017-01-08T00:08:43 < kakimir> I think I need to forget what I was thinking of
2017-01-08T00:08:56 < kakimir> and just manually adjust some 2 modules into project
2017-01-08T00:09:09 < ohsix> sounds like a good plan
2017-01-08T00:17:57 < kakimir> I just planned to have things like name of module, version and pointers to some error stuff handed from module to project
2017-01-08T00:18:06 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/01/07/ces2017-monoprice-unveils-expanded-line-of-3d-printers/
2017-01-08T00:18:15 < Laurenceb_> looks irl cancerous
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2017-01-08T00:25:43 < Laurenceb_> lul so many SLA printers coming out
2017-01-08T00:25:53 < Laurenceb_> wait a few years for everyone to get cancer
2017-01-08T00:27:17 < kakimir> SLA is cancer?
2017-01-08T00:28:26 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-01-08T00:28:38 < Laurenceb_> the resin is mutagenic
2017-01-08T00:30:29 < kakimir> makers die
2017-01-08T00:37:54 < Thorn> is there a dma friendly ring buffer implementation for uarts?
2017-01-08T00:39:52 < ohsix> what makes it dma friendly
2017-01-08T00:40:00 < ohsix> not having to stop dma?
2017-01-08T00:42:02 < ohsix> i thought the dma controllers (at least on the f1, dunno if there are any meaningful differences on other parts) could be used for that, it's kind of a go/no-go situation with addressing features of the dma controller
2017-01-08T00:47:20 < ohsix> upgrdman: beep how's the snow
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2017-01-08T00:52:34 < Thorn> https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/stabilize-4825.B/chip/stm32/uart.c why is there stm32 code in chromium os
2017-01-08T00:53:42 < karlp> for the hardware 
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2017-01-08T00:55:57 < BrainDamage> there's fans, leds, power supplies,and many other things a micro can do
2017-01-08T00:59:58 < ohsix> dan harmon periscoped some exercise, there was a shower scene
2017-01-08T01:00:19 < ohsix> Thorn: ec = acpi embedded controller
2017-01-08T01:00:30 < ohsix> it's neat they use a 'normal' part huhu
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2017-01-08T01:01:23 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1lzYjzUkAA4_ZZ.jpg:large fedex lul, so that's where our packages are
2017-01-08T01:04:18 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method computer science term of the day
2017-01-08T01:05:14 < Laurenceb_> does mouser "estimated dispatch date" mean the date they think they will receive shipment from the supplier?
2017-01-08T01:06:13 < kakimir> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/d7fz9ckx.aspx anyone know how to deal with this problem?
2017-01-08T01:06:24 < kakimir> so I started making headers and source code files
2017-01-08T01:06:37 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: heheh it is a little weird we might get denser lcd displays due to embigenning sla printers and not demand fro television
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2017-01-08T01:08:42 < ohsix> Make sure you have not inadvertently deleted, renamed or removed header file (by default, stdafx.h) from the current project. This file also needs to be included before any other code in your source files using #include "stdafx.h". (This header file is specified as Create/Use PCH Through File project property)
2017-01-08T01:08:57 < ohsix> filename is specified on compiler command line
2017-01-08T01:09:08 < ohsix> if you add another one or change it you need to modify it
2017-01-08T01:09:17 < kakimir> it's included
2017-01-08T01:09:33 < kakimir> I now included it to all headers with no effect
2017-01-08T01:09:37 < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/kGqCwa5k
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2017-01-08T01:10:28 < kakimir> I didn't even know this precompiled headers shiet before visual studio
2017-01-08T01:10:36 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: lul i might buy that delta printer, i saw a cheap one in some kickstarter or some shit, they had a 'developer edition' that woud let you connect to a computer, regular edition wouldn't let you do shit
2017-01-08T01:10:57 < ohsix> kakimir: it is visual studio, and pch has been done that asinine way 4ever
2017-01-08T01:11:37 < Laurenceb_> Does Mouser uphold and require a drug free workplace? Yes, every Mouser employee is required to pass a drug screening test prior to employment.
2017-01-08T01:11:42 < Laurenceb_> damn there goes my hopes
2017-01-08T01:12:34 < Laurenceb_> no info on what estimated dispatch date actually means
2017-01-08T01:12:48 < ohsix> in what context
2017-01-08T01:12:55 < kakimir> what do you think it means?
2017-01-08T01:13:07 < Laurenceb_> I dunno
2017-01-08T01:13:16 < kakimir> dispatch date from mouser
2017-01-08T01:13:22 < Laurenceb_> from other small print it looks like its the date they expect to ship out
2017-01-08T01:13:26 < kakimir> not from their supplier
2017-01-08T01:13:30 < ohsix> from the latin for 'to dispatch'
2017-01-08T01:13:41 < ohsix> send off to a destination or for a purpose.
2017-01-08T01:13:44 < Laurenceb_> yeah, but for the item I want to gives todays date and no stock, awaiting delivery
2017-01-08T01:13:46 < ohsix> deal with (a task, problem, or opponent) quickly and efficiently.
2017-01-08T01:13:48 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: ask dem
2017-01-08T01:13:56 < ohsix> did you already order?
2017-01-08T01:13:57 < kakimir> they have good service
2017-01-08T01:13:57 < Laurenceb_> leading me to suspect their database broke
2017-01-08T01:14:02 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: no
2017-01-08T01:14:10 < ohsix> cant' you throw them 2.50$ or something to jump the queue,c an't remember if tha twas digikey
2017-01-08T01:14:16 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-01-08T01:14:32 < Laurenceb_> I'll try with other random unstocked items
2017-01-08T01:14:32 < ohsix> maybe newegg, lul
2017-01-08T01:15:58 < Laurenceb_> hmm other items look sane
2017-01-08T01:16:17 < Laurenceb_> maybe they literally have the restock waiting to be unpacked or something
2017-01-08T01:16:37 < Laurenceb_> or their supplier is late...
2017-01-08T01:17:28 < Laurenceb_> but 12 weeks lead time, so I kind of want to avoid that
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2017-01-08T01:18:14 < ohsix> what are you building
2017-01-08T01:19:00 < upgrdman> ohsix, no snow here
2017-01-08T01:19:01 < Laurenceb_> rockoon launcher
2017-01-08T01:19:12 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah they must be expecting it today
2017-01-08T01:19:27 < Laurenceb_> prob no staff to update that its actually in stock on Saturday
2017-01-08T01:21:36 < ohsix> upgrdman: o less far east than i thought
2017-01-08T01:21:48 < upgrdman> ya never snows in so cal
2017-01-08T01:21:51 < ohsix> supposedly along the border and into nevada there's 8ft of snow potential this weekend
2017-01-08T01:21:55 < upgrdman> well la/oc at least
2017-01-08T01:22:30 < upgrdman> worst we get is maybe a small amount of hail. and if theres enough hail that you can see it on the ground, it makes the news
2017-01-08T01:22:54 < upgrdman> and facebook fucktard explode with "omg wowz hail!"
2017-01-08T01:25:07 < Laurenceb_> hail hitler
2017-01-08T01:25:57 < ohsix> lul all the dramanets were updated when schmorky was outed as a pedo, and lowtax is doing a gaming garbage stream about it 830ct
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2017-01-08T01:26:31 < Laurenceb_> I'm a very sad person
2017-01-08T01:26:42 < Laurenceb_> but I'm not sad enough to know who those e-celebs are
2017-01-08T01:28:14 < ohsix> i would be a goon but i couldn't afford tenbux
2017-01-08T01:28:54 < ohsix> he did this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oBx7Jg4m-o
2017-01-08T01:29:14 < ohsix> i bet you know that
2017-01-08T01:34:04 < Laurenceb_> I've heard of adult swim...
2017-01-08T01:34:30 < Laurenceb_> wtf my PhD supervisor is supervising a PhD from sociology looking at anarchist systems
2017-01-08T01:34:49 < Laurenceb_> this is going from bad to worse, maybe I can pretend it never happened
2017-01-08T01:35:50 < Laurenceb_> this is after him PhD quit after he asked them to build a robotic weather station mounted to an rc car
2017-01-08T01:37:44 < Laurenceb_> anyone know where the µFL smd headers are on mouser?
2017-01-08T01:38:29 < ohsix> headers?
2017-01-08T01:38:37 < Laurenceb_> oh it takes unicode
2017-01-08T01:38:40 < ohsix> never heard them referred to that
2017-01-08T01:38:40 < Laurenceb_> mouser is pro
2017-01-08T01:38:42 < ohsix> as
2017-01-08T01:38:56 < Laurenceb_> nvm found them using µ rather than u
2017-01-08T01:38:57 < ohsix> headers usually have an arity of connectionz
2017-01-08T01:38:58 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-08T01:55:09 < ohsix> damn reading this schmorky shit ... the tumblr drama existed before tumblr, obviously it had to; but that's where they ended up
2017-01-08T01:58:52 < ohsix> so this is what saturday feels like
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2017-01-08T02:14:58 < kakimir> I need good stereo plugs
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2017-01-08T02:15:19 < kakimir> that I can buy a pile
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2017-01-08T02:15:56 < kakimir> meanin price is not 10eur piece
2017-01-08T02:16:11 < kakimir> good as not those generic shits
2017-01-08T02:26:34 < ohsix> like 1/8th trs?
2017-01-08T02:26:59 < kakimir> 3.5mm
2017-01-08T02:30:06 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silver-5pcs-3-5mm-1-8-Stereo-TRS-Male-Audio-Jack-Plug-Adapter-Connector-/201335464622 I wonder if any less shitty
2017-01-08T02:30:22 < kakimir> or same shit different package
2017-01-08T02:31:13 < kakimir> I think I had these as "golded" and it worked for a while
2017-01-08T02:33:29 < ohsix> people are really latching onto this fake news thing
2017-01-08T02:33:34 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-08T02:33:44 < ohsix> it's interesting how post modern late adopters get with new terms
2017-01-08T02:34:15 < ohsix> kakimir: er uh nothing, more schmorky crap, dumb. it was just weird to see people use 'fake news'
2017-01-08T02:34:32 < ohsix> you need that version with the screw on body and the spring strain relief?
2017-01-08T02:34:34 < kakimir> fake news
2017-01-08T02:35:12 < kakimir> I need something that had connector part that holds
2017-01-08T02:35:32 < kakimir> some of those generic stereo plugs come as already disintegrating
2017-01-08T02:35:44 < ohsix> ah
2017-01-08T02:35:55 < ohsix> you'll probably pay $$ to get legit ones
2017-01-08T02:36:02 < kakimir> you know the one that has that black generic plastic shell
2017-01-08T02:36:26 < ohsix> ebay strategy, if you can wait, is to get a few from one seller and see if they're not ok; maybe buy from 3 or 4 sellers, hedging that they'll all be usable, but getting refunds when they're not
2017-01-08T02:36:29 < ohsix> yea i do
2017-01-08T02:37:09 < kakimir> I need to order actual good ones for my real headphones soon
2017-01-08T02:38:41 < ohsix> hm
2017-01-08T02:38:49 < ohsix> i've been meaning to get some like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/10Pcs-3-5mm-3-Pole-Male-Soldering-Repair-Headphone-Audio-Jack-Plug-Gold-ZH-/122079698249?hash=item1c6c845d49:g:avYAAOSwMtxXq-in
2017-01-08T02:39:17 < ohsix> you can solder them to pcbs directly and have them come out of 3d printed cases, or make a hot glue surround
2017-01-08T02:40:04 < ohsix> http://www.headphoneamp.co.kr/ftp/sijosae/Gallery/Accesary/ThumbnailPot.jpg
2017-01-08T02:40:16 < ohsix> heheh i still remember that guys' name to find the site whenever
2017-01-08T02:40:51 < ohsix> http://www.headphoneamp.co.kr/ftp/sijosae/Gallery/Accesary/Modifed%20Linkwitz-2.jpg
2017-01-08T02:41:33 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-4-Pole-3-5mm-Male-Repair-headphone-Jack-Plug-Metal-Audio-Soldering-Spring-/282312654453
2017-01-08T02:41:42 < kakimir> this one is different
2017-01-08T02:42:03 < kakimir> oh it's 4pole
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2017-01-08T02:43:36 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-3-Pole-3-5mm-Male-Repair-Headphone-Jack-Plug-Audio-Connector-Silver-DIY-Gift-/131638396657 this one is different too
2017-01-08T02:44:43 < ohsix> that first one looks nice
2017-01-08T02:45:02 < ohsix> one thing about 4 pole ones tho, i have to use a little extender cuz the depth isn't right on the housing of the craptop
2017-01-08T02:45:03 < kakimir> I try the last one
2017-01-08T02:45:10 < ohsix> ground doesn't connect on TRRS
2017-01-08T02:45:19 < kakimir> there is 3pole
2017-01-08T02:45:23 < ohsix> otherwise i'd use them and just connect the top ones together
2017-01-08T02:45:25 < kakimir> same frame 3pole one
2017-01-08T02:45:32 < ohsix> right, nice
2017-01-08T02:45:44 < kakimir> I wonder if there is 4pole connectors in modern craptops?
2017-01-08T02:45:45 < ohsix> that alu will feel like ass threading it on but should work ok even if it is crappy
2017-01-08T02:45:54 < kakimir> as there is only one connector left
2017-01-08T02:45:56 < ohsix> there are on some netbooks/ultrabooks
2017-01-08T02:46:07 < ohsix> they do mic&headphone in one jack, which is trrs
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2017-01-08T02:47:12 < ohsix> the strain relief on the trrs one looks nice
2017-01-08T02:49:14 < kakimir> just poxy it and be done
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2017-01-08T02:49:37 < Laurenceb_> wow nasaspaceflight has 10 emdrive threads
2017-01-08T02:49:59 < ohsix> epoxy is too rigid D:
2017-01-08T02:50:23 < kakimir> PU it
2017-01-08T02:54:12 < Laurenceb_> no emdrive ED page :(
2017-01-08T02:54:13 < kakimir> bond + seal
2017-01-08T02:54:16 < Laurenceb_> dissapoint
2017-01-08T02:54:19 < kakimir> wurth
2017-01-08T02:54:47 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.encyclopediadramatica.se/threads/em-drive-is-almost-a-go.27177/
2017-01-08T02:59:02 < kakimir> ohsix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTH4tiKD5B8 music?
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2017-01-08T03:00:58 < ohsix> not bad
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2017-01-08T03:10:34 < ohsix> Kliment: there's a moarstruder thing for the lulzbot they had at CES
2017-01-08T03:10:37 < ohsix> up to 1.2mm layer height
2017-01-08T03:12:05 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1mmRB3UAAAIE6m.jpg:large unrelated
2017-01-08T03:19:28 < ohsix> Kliment: was looking at doing junk, hexagon is all metal, should be able to extrude some more interesting filaments, also rebuilding the single one to host different nozzle sizes
2017-01-08T03:19:39 < ohsix> so late to the party but it is neat
2017-01-08T03:22:39 < ohsix> became an old man, but i finally realize 'limited by your own imagination!' means the thing does nothing interesting and everything will be crap
2017-01-08T03:30:20 < Laurenceb_> lulzbot
2017-01-08T03:30:29 < Laurenceb_> sounds like hipster perman00bs
2017-01-08T03:33:34 < ohsix> ya
2017-01-08T03:33:44 < ohsix> i didn't buy it
2017-01-08T03:33:59 < Laurenceb_> Bre Pettis?
2017-01-08T03:33:59 < ohsix> oh er, huhuh, yea i just happened to hear about it cuz the shop has one
2017-01-08T03:34:12 < ohsix> no idea
2017-01-08T03:34:17 < ohsix> all of it is nonsense to me
2017-01-08T03:37:34 < ohsix> heheh deleting tweets is fun
2017-01-08T03:38:16 < ohsix> https://www.lulzbot.com/MOARstruder
2017-01-08T03:38:39 < ohsix> haha no wonder they sent me stls for the fatter idler, they're using it on this one
2017-01-08T03:38:56 < ohsix> they kept breaking on ALL the printheads they sell, even when pritned out of abs, there's a recall on the taz5 about it
2017-01-08T03:40:37 < ohsix> the recall said some bs about stress when inserting the bearing, it's nothing like when in actual use
2017-01-08T03:54:49 < upgrdman> anyone get weird video glitches (like a scratched dvd) when watching two youtube videos at the same time? (on different screens or windows or tabs)
2017-01-08T03:55:01 < upgrdman> wonder if nvidia driver bullshit, or chrome bullshit or someshit else
2017-01-08T04:04:51 < ohsix> probably video driver shit, ya
2017-01-08T04:04:56 < ohsix> but i haven't
2017-01-08T04:11:47 < jadew> http://www.imdb.com/chart/toptv
2017-01-08T04:11:54 < jadew> 4 science documentaries are in top 10
2017-01-08T04:12:08 < jadew> how awesome is that?
2017-01-08T04:12:14 < jadew> the world is not doomed
2017-01-08T04:26:20 < dongs> upgrdman: your pc is fucked.
2017-01-08T04:26:28 < dongs> i routinely watch 10+ shits at once
2017-01-08T04:26:28 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-08T04:26:32 < dongs> never had issue
2017-01-08T04:26:40 < ohsix> he lies
2017-01-08T04:26:46 < upgrdman> ya and i never have this issue on my surface bro 4
2017-01-08T04:26:51 < upgrdman> so maybe its nvidia shitz
2017-01-08T04:27:01 < dongs> do the DDU thing and install latest nv driver
2017-01-08T04:27:06 < upgrdman> ddu?
2017-01-08T04:27:10 < dongs> http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html
2017-01-08T04:27:13 < dongs> cleans all old driver cruft
2017-01-08T04:27:34 < dongs> gotta download latest nv .exe, then reboot to safe mode, run this shit, and install new nv
2017-01-08T04:32:06 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-08T04:32:14 < ohsix> you don't need to do that
2017-01-08T04:32:20 < ohsix> and maybe never did
2017-01-08T04:32:31 < ohsix> not since vista at least, and 'the geforce experience'
2017-01-08T04:32:57 < ohsix> upgrdman: turn on stats for nerds on youtube, it'll tell you what presentation it is using
2017-01-08T04:33:11 < upgrdman> ohsix, how
2017-01-08T04:33:22 < ohsix> also if you have mpc you can get dxva/render stats, and download the videos, try playing them
2017-01-08T04:34:06 < ohsix> sec afaik you just right click still
2017-01-08T04:34:51 < dongs> you're walking into a trap
2017-01-08T04:35:05 < ohsix> is it in chrome too, there's other shit to check with ppapi accel
2017-01-08T04:35:36 < ohsix> gpu scheduling is weird heheh
2017-01-08T04:36:30 < ohsix> there's nothing you can really do though
2017-01-08T04:36:39 < ohsix> maybe try different drivers, if you can make it happen at will
2017-01-08T04:36:56 < ohsix> can't just email nvidia to report a bug
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2017-01-08T04:40:01 < stvn> gentlemen
2017-01-08T04:40:17  * Lambda_Aurigae considers himself insulted
2017-01-08T04:41:37 < ohsix> and not banned?
2017-01-08T04:42:29 < Lambda_Aurigae> I'm just reading and watching and trying to learn.
2017-01-08T04:49:32 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/817901534948179968
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2017-01-08T05:01:41 < dongs> oh, cmsis5 is released
2017-01-08T05:01:45 < dongs> maybe i should try clang-based armcc
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2017-01-08T05:02:17 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-08T05:02:21 < dongs> hmm keil still saays beta4
2017-01-08T05:02:46 < dongs> what the hell
2017-01-08T05:02:49 < dongs> keil is way behind
2017-01-08T05:03:01 < ReadErr> >keil 
2017-01-08T05:03:11 < ohsix> kegels
2017-01-08T05:03:57 < dongs> ah maybe 5.22 has it. im still on 5.20 time ot update
2017-01-08T05:06:41 < dongs> ah yeah
2017-01-08T05:06:44 < dongs> 5.22 has it.
2017-01-08T05:06:45 < dongs> installing
2017-01-08T05:10:20 < dongs> maybe i can finally swithc some projects to the amazing clang compiler
2017-01-08T05:10:24 < dongs> and see how much shittier code it generates
2017-01-08T05:10:29 < upgrdman> isnt clang oss
2017-01-08T05:10:33 < dongs> yeah thats the thing
2017-01-08T05:10:34 < upgrdman> i thought you hated oss
2017-01-08T05:10:35 < dongs> last time i tried it
2017-01-08T05:10:38 < dongs> it was complete shit
2017-01-08T05:10:46 < dongs> but that was > 1 year ago
2017-01-08T05:10:48 < dongs> so time to try again
2017-01-08T05:10:49 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-08T05:13:00 < dongs> they managed to hack it to properly support LTO
2017-01-08T05:13:02 < dongs> so who knows
2017-01-08T05:13:10 < dongs> it might be good
2017-01-08T05:19:32 < dongs>  8 Error(s), 584 Warning(s).
2017-01-08T05:19:33 < dongs> jesuis
2017-01-08T05:19:51 < dongs> thats after changing my project to cfag compiler and cmsis5
2017-01-08T05:21:30 < dongs> ok 2 errors left. apparently it sdoesnt support unicdoe??????
2017-01-08T05:21:30 < dongs> haha
2017-01-08T05:22:12 < dongs> error: UTF-16 (LE) byte order mark detected in './text_strings.h', but encoding is not supported
2017-01-08T05:22:17 < dongs> ...
2017-01-08T05:24:00 < dongs> Program Size: Code=29568 RO-data=295988 RW-data=1308 ZI-data=18388  
2017-01-08T05:24:00 < dongs> Program Size: Code=60832 RO-data=296700 RW-data=16 ZI-data=18560  
2017-01-08T05:24:02 < dongs> ....
2017-01-08T05:24:07 < dongs> ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ah ahha h aha ha ha hah ha ha ha hha ha hah ha h
2017-01-08T05:25:51 < dongs> and this is why y ou don't use opensores.
2017-01-08T05:27:44 < dongs> hm with -Oz image size its actually Program Size: Code=26300 RO-data=296752 RW-data=16 ZI-data=18552  
2017-01-08T05:39:20 < dongs> delay.c(83): warning: no previous prototype for function 'SysTick_Handler' [-Wmissing-prototypes]
2017-01-08T05:39:23 < dongs> hmmm.
2017-01-08T05:40:28 < dongs> rtx_os.h in cmsis defines it but nowhere else
2017-01-08T05:40:41 < ohsix> it's in the dinker script
2017-01-08T05:40:46 < ohsix> for dinking
2017-01-08T05:40:50 < ohsix> put the dinks together
2017-01-08T05:41:24 < englishman> isn't the prototype in startup asm
2017-01-08T05:41:37 < englishman> along with other vectors
2017-01-08T05:41:48 < dongs> right
2017-01-08T05:41:53 < dongs> but why isnt cGAYLANG picking it up
2017-01-08T05:42:09 < englishman> different .s for clang and armcc?
2017-01-08T05:43:02 < dongs> well, i didnt cahnge it
2017-01-08T05:43:13 < englishman> isn't open sores syntax totally different
2017-01-08T05:43:20 < dongs> no, arm fixed it i guess
2017-01-08T05:43:27 < englishman> at least
2017-01-08T05:43:29 < dongs> their tempaltes still only have armcc vs gcc vs ewarm or wwhatever .s shits
2017-01-08T05:43:54 < ohsix> in cmsis5 it's .c startup code
2017-01-08T05:43:55 < ohsix> it's gr8
2017-01-08T05:45:02 < ohsix> https://github.com/ARM-software/CMSIS_5/blob/develop/Device/ARM/ARMCM3/Source/GCC/startup_ARMCM3.c
2017-01-08T05:45:06 < dongs> ARM/GCC/IAR
2017-01-08T05:45:12 < ohsix> ooh they added an .S file, so they still have that too
2017-01-08T05:45:42 < ohsix> void SysTick_Handler     (void) __attribute__ ((weak, alias("Default_Handler")));
2017-01-08T05:46:09 < ohsix> it's basically the same
2017-01-08T05:46:30 < ohsix> as a .c file the startup code is much more obviously interesting, copying the sections and shiz
2017-01-08T05:46:33 < dongs> but i guess
2017-01-08T05:46:34 < ReadErr> http://gizmodo.com/thousands-of-people-are-watching-two-google-homes-argue-1790843285
2017-01-08T05:46:38 < ReadErr> lol
2017-01-08T05:46:45 < dongs> asm has no way to do function prototype 
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2017-01-08T05:47:45 < ohsix> 'argue'
2017-01-08T05:48:08 < ohsix> the only interesting thing is that they haven't become a tween nazi like the bing bot
2017-01-08T05:48:14 < ohsix> ... so far
2017-01-08T05:48:48 < ohsix> lul when bots will have to understand trolling and people existing just to waste your time, in order to use it as useful training data
2017-01-08T05:49:08 < ReadErr> 'my uncle works at nintendo' 
2017-01-08T05:49:13 < ReadErr> 'you dont have an uncle'
2017-01-08T05:49:17 < ReadErr> 'no i dont' lol
2017-01-08T05:56:26 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNoOiXkXmYQ
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2017-01-08T05:58:21 < jadew> they say 1 kHz there, but what they meant was 1 kW
2017-01-08T05:58:45 < jadew> I guess you don't want that in your eye
2017-01-08T05:59:57 < dongs> the presentation also says 1khz
2017-01-08T06:00:19 < dongs> @ 0.52
2017-01-08T06:00:57 < jadew> yeah, that's what I meant, it's wrong
2017-01-08T06:01:02 < dongs> how do you figure
2017-01-08T06:01:08 < jadew> I read another article on it
2017-01-08T06:01:17 < jadew> saying that the pulse is 1 kW
2017-01-08T06:01:43 < jadew> I figured that whoever made the text made a mistake
2017-01-08T06:01:55 < dongs> shouldnt the guy presenting it know about it
2017-01-08T06:01:58 < jadew> frequency doesn't seem to play a big role here, while power does
2017-01-08T06:02:03 < dongs> i was hoping hte jap would say it
2017-01-08T06:02:07 < dongs> but they dubbed over his presentation
2017-01-08T06:05:15 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfVS-npfVuY#t=1m08s
2017-01-08T06:05:39 < jadew> still doesn't mention to power tho
2017-01-08T06:06:49 < dongs> what the niggerfuck is wrong wiht that video
2017-01-08T06:06:53 < dongs> theres garbage all over it
2017-01-08T06:07:19 < jadew> from las link?
2017-01-08T06:07:24 < dongs> yes
2017-01-08T06:08:03 < ohsix> ReadErr: wats the context for that
2017-01-08T06:08:27 < dongs> related video from your 1st link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWjFjN_PBWo 
2017-01-08T06:08:28 < ReadErr> google bots argueing 
2017-01-08T06:08:35 < dongs> ReadErr: just fuck off already
2017-01-08T06:08:44 < ReadErr> he asked what it was from
2017-01-08T06:08:51 < dongs> no, hes talking to me
2017-01-08T06:08:56 < dongs> (jadew)
2017-01-08T06:08:56 < ReadErr> no, ohsix 
2017-01-08T06:09:08 < dongs> then prefix all your shit wiht ohsix: so  my irssi ignore f ilter can fucking remove it
2017-01-08T06:09:19 < ReadErr> ahh got it
2017-01-08T06:09:41 < jadew> dongs, that's a video about CPUs
2017-01-08T06:10:06 < ohsix> ReadErr: ah
2017-01-08T06:10:18 < ohsix> ReadErr: https://twitter.com/WXLFNova/status/809228665863241728
2017-01-08T06:10:34 < dongs> jadew: shrug
2017-01-08T06:10:55 < jadew> I'm talking about the one you linked
2017-01-08T06:11:18 < dongs> yeah. i donno why its related
2017-01-08T06:11:23 < jadew> ah
2017-01-08T06:11:31 < jadew> you mean related on youtube hehe
2017-01-08T06:11:31 < dongs> maybe they made a connection wiht poor fucks
2017-01-08T06:11:46 < dongs> why teh shit would I use a CPU from 5 years ago just to save $250 on I7
2017-01-08T06:11:57 < dongs> that old cpu would use this much in electricity in a year
2017-01-08T06:11:59 < dongs> so the savings would be zero
2017-01-08T06:12:35 < dongs> Status: End of Life
2017-01-08T06:12:48 < ohsix> jadew: oh damn that video is old
2017-01-08T06:12:51 < dongs> hmm, so clang prints a LOT of quite useful warnings but a lot of it is noise too
2017-01-08T06:12:59 < ohsix> oh haha ok nm at least it is the original post
2017-01-08T06:13:06 < dongs> like, it found a large-ish array I forgot to mark static const
2017-01-08T06:13:08 < dongs> so that suseful
2017-01-08T06:13:13 < dongs> but most other warnings are just spam
2017-01-08T06:13:48 < ohsix> watching it again, i think i've even had that conversation before
2017-01-08T06:15:45 < ohsix> i found some paper last time it came up, want me to look for them again?
2017-01-08T06:17:39 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/_waldy/status/816934581202980864 spool with an agenda
2017-01-08T06:18:06 < ReadErr> guess I need to switch back to gcc 4.9
2017-01-08T06:18:11 < ReadErr> since 5.4 is a POS
2017-01-08T06:18:40 < jadew> ohsix, talking about the laser thing?
2017-01-08T06:20:13 < dongs> uhh wat a dumb warning
2017-01-08T06:20:30 < dongs> warning: 5 enumeration values not explicitly handled in switch: [-Wswitch-enum]
2017-01-08T06:20:33 < ohsix> jadew: yea
2017-01-08T06:20:39 < dongs> i have a switch (foo) {
2017-01-08T06:20:44 < dongs> case BLAH: break;
2017-01-08T06:20:48 < dongs> default: break
2017-01-08T06:20:52 < dongs> so default DOES handle it
2017-01-08T06:20:54 < dongs> why warn?
2017-01-08T06:21:15 < jadew> ohsix, nah, no worries, I already got all the info I needed for now
2017-01-08T06:21:44 < ohsix> werd
2017-01-08T06:21:55 < jadew> dongs, what does the warning say?
2017-01-08T06:22:01 < dongs> exactly that
2017-01-08T06:22:06 < dongs> plus it listed the enums i didnt handle
2017-01-08T06:22:33 < jadew> ah
2017-01-08T06:22:39 < jadew> that you didn't handle all the enum values
2017-01-08T06:22:46 < jadew> yeah, stupid warning
2017-01-08T06:22:47 < dongs> right
2017-01-08T06:23:32 < dongs> main.c(561): warning: implicit conversion increases floating-point precision: 'float' to 'double' [-Wdouble-promotion]
2017-01-08T06:23:36 < dongs> hm thats useful but I dont see how
2017-01-08T06:23:45 < dongs> sprintf(buf, "%.1f", dTemp / 10.0f);
2017-01-08T06:23:51 < dongs> dTemp = int
2017-01-08T06:23:55 < dongs> 1.0f = float literal
2017-01-08T06:24:00 < dongs> int/float should produce float, no?
2017-01-08T06:24:08 < dongs> time to look at asm
2017-01-08T06:25:20 < dongs> 	bl	__aeabi_f2d
2017-01-08T06:25:22 < dongs> fuck
2017-01-08T06:25:35 < ohsix> implicit conversion
2017-01-08T06:25:47 < ohsix> int to -> double
2017-01-08T06:32:48 < dongs> https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=15109 haha
2017-01-08T07:05:11 < dongs> the autism is real
2017-01-08T07:05:19 < dongs> paging all clang experts
2017-01-08T07:08:37 < dongs> oh i know, im gonna check out #clang
2017-01-08T07:11:32 < dongs> hmm armcc does it too
2017-01-08T07:11:34 < dongs> what the shit
2017-01-08T07:11:40 < dongs> (((autism peaking)))
2017-01-08T07:12:26 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/5HvRmv22.html
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2017-01-08T07:55:29 < zyp> hmm, I thought there were a flag to disable double promotion, but I'm not finding it
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2017-01-08T08:16:53 < ohsix> i don't think that's changed so there wouldn't be a compat flag
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2017-01-08T08:22:32 < ReadErr> ohsix: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3647998/
2017-01-08T08:23:16 < ohsix> http://fuckingclangwarnings.com/ haha
2017-01-08T08:24:13 < ohsix> ReadErr:   Taboo.1980.WS.XXX.BDRip.x264-HAiRYPUSSY  ???/
2017-01-08T08:24:26 < ohsix> will check it out when it turns up
2017-01-08T08:24:27 < ReadErr> yea not seen it was wondering if any good
2017-01-08T08:24:28 < ohsix> fx is p. keen
2017-01-08T08:24:37 < ohsix> baskets is running again pretty soon
2017-01-08T08:24:39 < ReadErr> 9.5/10 so far
2017-01-08T08:24:56 < ohsix> nice january 19th
2017-01-08T08:25:12 < ohsix> lemme know when taboo is capped
2017-01-08T08:25:21 < ReadErr> its up
2017-01-08T08:25:24 < ReadErr> ep1 is
2017-01-08T08:25:34 < ReadErr> found it on my piracy stroll 
2017-01-08T08:25:48 < ohsix> hm
2017-01-08T08:26:04 < ohsix> https://pre.corrupt-net.org/?q=taboo that is unusual
2017-01-08T08:26:09 < ohsix> man if they're getting filtered now, bah
2017-01-08T08:26:42 < ohsix> maybe it didn't get echoed right
2017-01-08T08:26:46 < ohsix> ORGANiC?
2017-01-08T08:27:36 < ReadErr> Taboo 2017 S01E01 720p IP WEBRip AAC2 0 H 264-monkee 
2017-01-08T08:28:07 < ohsix> that's no good friend
2017-01-08T08:28:32 < ReadErr> why not
2017-01-08T08:29:09 < ohsix> p2p sux, no nukes
2017-01-08T08:31:42 < ReadErr> is there a reason it was nuked or not on the list to begin with?
2017-01-08T08:32:58 < ohsix> no idea
2017-01-08T08:33:11 < ohsix> looks like it wasn't echoed somewhere
2017-01-08T08:33:19 < ohsix> temporary shit happens too
2017-01-08T08:34:08 < ohsix> http://knsv.github.io/mermaid/
2017-01-08T08:34:13 < ohsix> markdown for graph stuff
2017-01-08T08:36:49 < ReadErr> portlandia s07 ?
2017-01-08T08:37:18 < ReadErr> didnt know it was out
2017-01-08T08:40:47 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/serdarbagtir/status/763371221354422272
2017-01-08T08:40:57 < ohsix> yea this week
2017-01-08T08:41:09 < ohsix> twitter man, people mention stuff
2017-01-08T09:07:57 < dongs> zyp, the problem is not the promotion but why it happens
2017-01-08T09:08:03 < dongs> zyp, apparently according to C99, %f = double
2017-01-08T09:08:28 < dongs> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/WG14/www/docs/n1256.pdf page 290 in pdf / page 278 printed
2017-01-08T09:11:59 < zyp> remember that it's a variadic function, the compiler can therefore not assume a type of those arguments
2017-01-08T09:12:05 < zyp> so that's not it
2017-01-08T09:12:46 < zyp> I guess just add an explicit cast to float, dumb as that might look
2017-01-08T09:12:46 < dongs> doeesnt it know %f = double, and t hus prepares argument to be double?
2017-01-08T09:12:50 < dongs> i did
2017-01-08T09:12:59 < dongs> im not that dumb, i tried to expplicitly add floats everywehre
2017-01-08T09:13:01 < dongs> asm does the right thing
2017-01-08T09:13:04 < zyp> how would it know?
2017-01-08T09:13:06 < dongs> its hardware float UNTIL it goes into printf
2017-01-08T09:13:15 < dongs> before becoming printf arg, it goes through f2d.
2017-01-08T09:13:43 < dongs> (float)(temp/10f), (float)((float)temp/10f), etc etc i tried all variations of it
2017-01-08T09:14:03 < dongs> the asm doesnt change so its doing correct thing until going to sprintf.
2017-01-08T09:14:05 < zyp> oh, wait
2017-01-08T09:14:07 < zyp> actually
2017-01-08T09:14:16 < zyp> I think variadic arguments can't be float
2017-01-08T09:14:39 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-08T09:14:41 < ohsix> the bug he posted even says so
2017-01-08T09:14:56 < ohsix> you cast it to (double) to make the error go away for variadic parameter
2017-01-08T09:15:12 < dongs> what the shit where does it say that
2017-01-08T09:15:17 < dongs> and why the fuck not
2017-01-08T09:15:32 < dongs> you mean cuz va_arg(float) doesnt work?
2017-01-08T09:15:36 < ohsix> this one 21:05 < dongs> paging all clang experts
2017-01-08T09:15:39 < ohsix> er
2017-01-08T09:15:46 < ohsix> 20:32 < dongs> https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=15109 haha
2017-01-08T09:15:50 < ohsix> he made my buffer move
2017-01-08T09:15:57 < zyp> «The compiler performs the default argument promotions: (1)floatarguments are converted todouble. (2) The integral promotions are performed, causingcharandshortarguments to be converted toint.»
2017-01-08T09:16:14 < dongs> ...
2017-01-08T09:16:21 < dongs> what retarded C rule added that
2017-01-08T09:16:42 < ohsix> the abi
2017-01-08T09:16:49 < zyp> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/variadic_arguments
2017-01-08T09:17:33 < dongs> wow, thats dumb. holy shit.
2017-01-08T09:17:35 < zyp> or better: http://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/variadic
2017-01-08T09:17:51 < ohsix> zyp: show him https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=15109#c7 huhu
2017-01-08T09:17:53 < ohsix> bbiab
2017-01-08T09:17:56 < zyp> http://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/conversion#Default_argument_promotions
2017-01-08T09:18:14 < dongs> i know the next best thing
2017-01-08T09:18:18 < dongs> googling "how to disable double type in clang"
2017-01-08T09:19:08 < zyp> better just switch to M7 with double precision FPU so your printf works properly
2017-01-08T09:19:08 < dongs> i guess that doenst work either
2017-01-08T09:19:09 < dongs> hm
2017-01-08T09:19:10 < zyp> :p
2017-01-08T09:19:15 < dongs> oh, printf works
2017-01-08T09:19:21 < dongs> im just raging at pulling aeabi_f2d shit
2017-01-08T09:19:25 < dongs> for no reason
2017-01-08T09:19:33 < zyp> on M7 you wouldn't need that :D
2017-01-08T09:19:37 < dongs> pfft
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2017-01-08T09:42:25 < dongs> Program Size: Code=29568 RO-data=295988 RW-data=1308 ZI-data=18388  
2017-01-08T09:42:25 < dongs> Program Size: Code=27108 RO-data=297012 RW-data=284 ZI-data=18388  
2017-01-08T09:42:26 < dongs> very nice
2017-01-08T09:42:37 < zyp> comparing what?
2017-01-08T09:42:44 < dongs> after cleaning off all float printfs
2017-01-08T09:42:52 < dongs> and replacing with shit like %d.%d
2017-01-08T09:42:59 < zyp> ah
2017-01-08T09:43:07 < dongs> foo/10, foo-(foo/10)*10 or wahtever
2017-01-08T09:43:17 < dongs> donno if theres a less brute force way than that
2017-01-08T09:48:17 < dongs> Removing main.o(.constdata), (2048 bytes).
2017-01-08T09:48:19 < dongs> thats interesting
2017-01-08T09:48:19 < dongs> lol.
2017-01-08T09:51:20 < dongs> anywa,y it looks like clang is still winning, sadly
2017-01-08T09:51:24 < dongs> Program Size: Code=27108 RO-data=297012 RW-data=284 ZI-data=18388  
2017-01-08T09:51:24 < dongs> Program Size: Code=26172 RO-data=296760 RW-data=16 ZI-data=18552  
2017-01-08T09:51:55 < dongs> but thats with working LTO
2017-01-08T09:52:45 < dongs> also looks like it puts more stuff into zi-data, probably assumes more stuff to be initialized?
2017-01-08T09:53:13 < dongs> and more aggressive cleanup of ro-data, i wonder wehre it put that ~300 bytes of shit
2017-01-08T09:54:24 < dongs> anywho migration to CMSIS 5.0.0 was less painful than I thought. armcc 5 also builds it without errors
2017-01-08T09:55:22 < zyp> why is clang winning sad, when it will eventually replace armcc? isn't it good that the future compiler is better than todays?
2017-01-08T09:55:58 < dongs> well, its been much worse usually
2017-01-08T09:56:13 < dongs> its sad cuz its opensores
2017-01-08T09:57:57 < ohsix> open source is a burden
2017-01-08T09:58:02 < ohsix> if i break it i bought it
2017-01-08T10:00:13 < ohsix> a usually unserious worry (lul) but sometimes it is hard to ignore something when you know you can fix it
2017-01-08T10:00:26 < ohsix> keeps me up at night
2017-01-08T10:01:32 < dongs> still lots of crap warnings in places tho
2017-01-08T10:01:37 < dongs> most of htem in stdperiph
2017-01-08T10:01:38 < dongs> hehe
2017-01-08T10:09:28 < dongs> k. looks i can switch this project over to clang for real
2017-01-08T10:12:11 < dongs> and it handles unicode better than armcc
2017-01-08T10:12:17 < dongs> i can now save file as utf8
2017-01-08T10:12:28 < dongs> and it properly returns utf16 stuff into wchars
2017-01-08T10:12:37 < dongs> instead of ... 3byte utf8 sequences
2017-01-08T10:17:29 < dongs> and I could probably finally compile laks in t his thing
2017-01-08T10:17:42 < dongs> it gives choices of C++11 and C++14 for C++ trash
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2017-01-08T10:21:15 < ReadErr> https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeAnarchy/comments/5micww/miss_helsinki_finland_gets_cucked/
2017-01-08T10:21:19 < ReadErr> the internet is upset
2017-01-08T10:21:32 < dongs> hmm cland doesnt output browse information for keil :(
2017-01-08T10:21:37 < dongs> so i cant rightclick to reference functions and shit
2017-01-08T10:21:39 < dongs> thats kinda gay
2017-01-08T10:27:27 < stvn> welcome ReadErr 
2017-01-08T10:27:33 < ReadErr> ello
2017-01-08T10:27:38 < stvn> did Laurenceb die?
2017-01-08T10:27:58 < ReadErr> if not, eventually
2017-01-08T10:28:12 < ReadErr> oh hes +q'tied 
2017-01-08T10:30:51 < dongs> Program Size: Code=25984 RO-data=296760 RW-data=16 ZI-data=18552  
2017-01-08T10:30:54 < dongs> hmm more bytes out
2017-01-08T10:36:56 < stvn> what will you do?
2017-01-08T10:37:10 < ReadErr> stack 2
2017-01-08T10:37:28 < ReadErr> stvn: pls tell tectu to come here
2017-01-08T10:37:33 < ReadErr> I need to speak @ him
2017-01-08T10:37:45 < stvn> ReadErr, already tried, Steffanx doesn't want him back
2017-01-08T10:37:54 < ReadErr> ;(
2017-01-08T10:38:04 < ReadErr> domestic violence? is Steffanx okay??
2017-01-08T10:38:10 < stvn> i dunno
2017-01-08T10:38:19 < stvn> i was curious to what dong was doing
2017-01-08T10:38:36 < ReadErr> trying to make opensource work in keil 
2017-01-08T10:38:42 < stvn> :/
2017-01-08T10:38:56 < ReadErr> s'like mixing autism and downs
2017-01-08T10:39:44 < stvn> ok
2017-01-08T10:42:37 < ReadErr> dongs: did they ever end up decapping those chips you sent in?
2017-01-08T10:42:46 < dongs> yes, months ago?
2017-01-08T10:42:57 < ReadErr> oh 
2017-01-08T10:45:19 < dongs> what the hell does clang want here
2017-01-08T10:45:53 < dongs> upgrdman: oh, did you ever get those wires
2017-01-08T10:45:57 < dongs> tracking says delivered
2017-01-08T10:46:05 < dongs> didnt see you bloggin'
2017-01-08T10:46:31 < dongs> zyp, ping
2017-01-08T10:46:38 < zyp> hmm?
2017-01-08T10:47:04 < upgrdman> dongs, oh ya forgot to blog. got them. perfect. thanks!
2017-01-08T10:47:06 < dongs> typedef struct imageBlock_t {     const image_t *img[LANG_MAX]; } imageBlock_t;, i initialize it like const imageBlock_t images[IMG_MAX] = { { 0, &cht_manual, &chs_manual, &jpn_manual, &kor_manual }, // IMG_MANUAL etc
2017-01-08T10:47:22 < dongs> clang wants to "suggest braces around initailzation of subobject
2017-01-08T10:47:27 < ReadErr> upgrdman: can i have one
2017-01-08T10:47:37 < upgrdman> ReadErr, you want a wire?
2017-01-08T10:47:41 < ReadErr> yea
2017-01-08T10:47:58 < ReadErr> did you ever find those nice silicone ribbon cables w/ colored wire?
2017-01-08T10:47:59 < dongs> they're the same wirez DJI uses for their bendy stuff
2017-01-08T10:48:20 < ReadErr> dongs: did you see what they did on their last ESC
2017-01-08T10:48:26 < upgrdman> ReadErr, kinda. its silicone, but black with white line, not rainbow colors
2017-01-08T10:48:30 < ReadErr> spun their own silicone 
2017-01-08T10:48:36 < ReadErr> MCU/power thing
2017-01-08T10:48:44 < ReadErr> silicon 
2017-01-08T10:49:04 < ReadErr> upgrdman: ahh the rainbow style would be nice
2017-01-08T10:49:14 < zyp> dongs, so you're initializing an array of structs containing an array of pointers, looks to me like you're missing a level of braces
2017-01-08T10:49:21 < dongs> am i?
2017-01-08T10:49:28 < zyp> braces for the outer array, braces for the struct, braces for the inner array
2017-01-08T10:50:27 < dongs> hm okay
2017-01-08T10:50:56 < dongs> { { 0, &cht_manual, &chs_manual, &jpn_manual, &kor_manual } }, // IMG_MANUAL tjos wprls
2017-01-08T10:50:59 < dongs> er, this works
2017-01-08T10:51:06 < dongs> but weird, i dont think i ever used that way
2017-01-08T10:51:10 < dongs> doesnt it need a , after last brace?
2017-01-08T10:51:31 < zyp> no?
2017-01-08T10:51:43 < dongs> cuz end of struct?
2017-01-08T10:51:48 < dongs> er array
2017-01-08T10:51:51 < dongs> or i donno
2017-01-08T10:52:30 < zyp> you only need , to separate elements, not after last element
2017-01-08T10:53:05 < zyp> C/C++ is kinda inconsistend, sometimes you're allowed to add , after last element too, other times you're not
2017-01-08T10:53:48 < stvn> dirty
2017-01-08T10:55:46 < zyp> hmm, newlib snprintf requires a heap to format stuff
2017-01-08T11:03:57 < dongs> keil microlib doesnt
2017-01-08T11:06:57 < upgrdman> lol. so eli is letting people donate money and ask questions. his software automatically overlays the question in his live stream. someone did this:  https://youtu.be/XMxNKDqG-fk?t=5145
2017-01-08T11:07:04 < Kliment> dongs: How does it work?
2017-01-08T11:07:49 < dongs> the fuck do i know
2017-01-08T11:08:47 < dongs> all i know is i have snprintf() all over the code and heap is zero
2017-01-08T11:08:50 < dongs> and it works
2017-01-08T11:09:59 < zyp> well, I'm not actually sure it puts anything on the heap, but it's complaining about missing sbrk, which means that it's referencing malloc somewhere
2017-01-08T11:10:08 < dongs> right
2017-01-08T11:10:11 < dongs> the fucking sbrk
2017-01-08T11:10:13 < dongs> opensores aids
2017-01-08T11:10:17 < zyp> it's probably only invoking malloc for certain formats
2017-01-08T11:10:31 < dongs> i've *NEVER* had a missing sbrk shit in keil
2017-01-08T11:10:33 < dongs> in any project
2017-01-08T11:10:35 < zyp> eh, sbrk is no big deal
2017-01-08T11:10:42 < dongs> but opensores  fags compiling my shit would get it at random
2017-01-08T11:10:46 < dongs> depending on which shit version of gcc they'd use
2017-01-08T11:11:48 < zyp> if I were interested in using the heap, I'd just provide sbrk in laks and be done with it
2017-01-08T11:11:51 < zyp> it's not harder than that
2017-01-08T11:17:32 < dongs> pft
2017-01-08T11:18:45 < dongs> dongz
2017-01-08T11:18:59 < stvn> k
2017-01-08T11:20:07 < dongs> zyp, what happens if I do if (floatsomething == 0), is t hat equivalent to (int)something == or does it try to do float comparison
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2017-01-08T11:21:54 < zyp> well, if you're passing around a float, it's probably going to be passed in the FPU registers, which means that a float comparison would be the fastest way
2017-01-08T11:22:43 < zyp> also, float got different representations for +0.0 and -0.0, and I think both compare equal to 0
2017-01-08T11:22:56 < dongs> clang is bitching about the compare tho
2017-01-08T11:23:06 < zyp> bitching what?
2017-01-08T11:23:11 < dongs> (1647): warning: comparing floating point with == or != is unsafe [-Wfloat-equal]
2017-01-08T11:23:19 < dongs> should I be comparing wiht 0.0f?
2017-01-08T11:23:31 < dongs> isntead of integer literael
2017-01-08T11:25:14 < stvn> this is good learning environment, i bbl
2017-01-08T11:25:54 < zyp> oh, maybe it's not defined properly how to deal with +0.0 vs -0.0
2017-01-08T11:26:22 < zyp> or maybe its's that a float number can end up really small instead of exactly zero
2017-01-08T11:26:31 < dongs> right
2017-01-08T11:26:46 < sterna> found an article on float comparisons: https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/comparing-floating-point-numbers-2012-edition/
2017-01-08T11:27:02 < sterna> generally, don't use == or !=, but rather use < or >
2017-01-08T11:27:24 < sterna> so, if you wanna check if your float is 0, use if(foo<0.00001)
2017-01-08T11:27:46 < sterna> or maybe if(fabs(foo)<0.00001)
2017-01-08T11:28:03 < zyp> that's a good article
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2017-01-08T11:42:29 < zyp> hmm, SSD1331 specifies VCC from 8-18V, typical 11V
2017-01-08T11:42:50 < dongs> oled shit?
2017-01-08T11:42:54 < dongs> yeah they need some weird voltages
2017-01-08T11:43:07 < dongs> usually screens need some caps to use for a boost converter
2017-01-08T11:43:07 < zyp> I guess that means I can just leave out the boost converter/whatever that this breakout shit got, since I've got 12V available
2017-01-08T11:43:48 < zyp> unless the panel itself is more restrictive
2017-01-08T11:43:53 < dongs> C++ 100%
2017-01-08T11:44:08 < dongs> oh color oled
2017-01-08T11:44:35 < zyp> yeah, rgb shit
2017-01-08T11:45:37 < zyp> http://www.waveshare.com/0.95inch-rgb-oled-a.htm <- I've got one of these
2017-01-08T11:47:29 < dongs> mm
2017-01-08T11:47:45 < dongs> why teh shit no wiki info on it
2017-01-08T11:47:46 < dongs> i wanna see back
2017-01-08T11:48:36 < zyp> there is a back picture on the shop side
2017-01-08T11:48:54 < dongs> if you add to cart? or wat
2017-01-08T11:49:07 < dongs> o yeah there it is
2017-01-08T11:49:18 < dongs> ya so tehy got a shittyboost ther
2017-01-08T11:50:41 < dongs> is it full 128x64 or does it have a line splitting top ~8 pixels from the rest?
2017-01-08T11:50:44 < dongs> like the single color shits
2017-01-08T11:50:58 < dongs> er 96x64
2017-01-08T11:51:01 < zyp> full
2017-01-08T11:51:13 < zyp> hmm, camera battery is empty
2017-01-08T11:51:26 < zyp> lemme see if I can get a proper pic with phone
2017-01-08T11:51:52 < dongs> i bought a kiss x3 or wahtever ~5 years ago for myself and a pal and couldnt ship batteries out of jp back then, so i kept 2 batts, comes in handy
2017-01-08T11:52:10 < dongs> i always have one in charger
2017-01-08T11:52:37 < zyp> yeah, I did that for my old cam
2017-01-08T11:52:38 < stvn> thanks for the link sterna 
2017-01-08T11:52:44  * stvn walks off a roof
2017-01-08T11:53:03 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ijmPl.jpg <- from phone
2017-01-08T11:53:17 < dongs> wow much pretty
2017-01-08T11:53:54 < zyp> fits eight lines with 16 charactes with that font
2017-01-08T11:54:26 < dongs> https://www.adafruit.com/products/684 haha why does aidsfruit have a sd card there
2017-01-08T11:54:29 < dongs> and some soic
2017-01-08T11:54:43 < dongs> HC4050 wat
2017-01-08T11:54:44 < zyp> shared SPI bus I assume
2017-01-08T11:54:53 < dongs> hex level shifter
2017-01-08T11:54:57 < dongs> lol, fucking tarduino trash
2017-01-08T11:55:04 < dongs> fucking 5v I/O
2017-01-08T11:55:07 < zyp> haha
2017-01-08T11:55:09 < stvn> is that price reasonable?
2017-01-08T11:55:15 < dongs> for what? are you shitting me
2017-01-08T11:55:16 < zyp> no
2017-01-08T11:55:19 < stvn> figures
2017-01-08T11:55:22 < zyp> waveshare board is less than half
2017-01-08T11:55:29 < stvn> i've never shopped at adafruit
2017-01-08T11:55:43 < zyp> without sd slot, but that's not worth another $18
2017-01-08T11:55:50 < stvn> yeah.
2017-01-08T11:57:06 < zyp> dongs, obtw, I was thinking about figuring out how much I owe you so I can pay you
2017-01-08T11:57:26 < zyp> and then do more business
2017-01-08T11:57:38 < stvn> i owe him a bit too
2017-01-08T11:57:57 < zyp> I need another batch of arcins, and this EV shit is starting to get ready
2017-01-08T11:58:15 < stvn> do u have a blog for your ev stuff?
2017-01-08T11:58:20 < zyp> ##stm32
2017-01-08T11:58:23 < stvn> i see
2017-01-08T11:59:32 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/CjtC8.png <- power board, 2L
2017-01-08T11:59:39 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/BKkr8.png <- controller board, 4L
2017-01-08T11:59:55 < zyp> and then there's front panel board which I've barely started on
2017-01-08T11:59:58 < zyp> also 2L
2017-01-08T12:01:27 < zyp> front panel board should be super simple, especially if I can just use the 12V I've already got directly, so it shouldn't take a lot of time to get that ready
2017-01-08T12:01:38 < stvn> yes
2017-01-08T12:08:46 < dongs> nice isolation
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2017-01-08T12:22:45 < stvn> can i have altium pls
2017-01-08T12:23:28 < zyp> R2COM, too lazy to change the default
2017-01-08T12:23:28 < Thorn> can you have multiple patterns for a component in altium?
2017-01-08T12:23:36 < zyp> Thorn, yes
2017-01-08T12:23:53 < zyp> R2COM, digital isolators of some sort at least
2017-01-08T12:24:14 < zyp> si8650
2017-01-08T12:25:17 < dongs> i dont mind altidumb contrast
2017-01-08T12:25:25 < dongs> i do prefer the muted colors in 'transparent' color scheme
2017-01-08T12:25:29 < dongs> but it doesnt really matter
2017-01-08T12:25:55 < dongs> and yeah fuck changing defaults
2017-01-08T12:26:43 < dongs> default settings are for people who want to get work done
2017-01-08T12:26:49 < dongs> i used to spend hours customizing windows XP after install
2017-01-08T12:26:55 < dongs> fuck that shit
2017-01-08T12:27:01 < zyp> haha
2017-01-08T12:27:04 < dongs> default install -> everything works
2017-01-08T12:27:16 < dongs> and as a bonus, every other PC you;'ll ever have access to will be same
2017-01-08T12:27:21 < dongs> instead of customized/faggoted up shit
2017-01-08T12:27:25 < zyp> yeah
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2017-01-08T12:28:20 < dongs> stvn: tectu is here
2017-01-08T12:28:44 < dongs> yes?
2017-01-08T12:28:44 < dongs> and?
2017-01-08T12:28:57 < stvn> dongs, i think ReadErr wanted him
2017-01-08T12:28:59 < Tectu> hi
2017-01-08T12:29:10 < zyp> R2COM, I'm not sure about cost though, plain optocouples are probably cheaper, but more hassle
2017-01-08T12:29:10 < ReadErr> hi Tectu 
2017-01-08T12:29:15 < dongs> hmm, i think my switch just rolled over with uptime counter
2017-01-08T12:29:18 < Tectu> Hi folks
2017-01-08T12:29:19 < zyp> oh, I also wanted to talk to Tectu 
2017-01-08T12:29:19 < dongs> 稼動時間:6 day 5 hr. 4 min. 35 sec.
2017-01-08T12:29:28 < dongs> i know that shit's been on for years
2017-01-08T12:29:31 < ReadErr> are there any other ssd* controller variants that work w/ the 130 driver?
2017-01-08T12:29:38 < ReadErr> 1306*
2017-01-08T12:29:39 < zyp> R2COM, well, signal conditioning too
2017-01-08T12:30:55 < Tectu> ReadErr, no. But some of them are very close in terms of the driver. Why is that relevant? Pick the display that works for your application, the rest is just software magic
2017-01-08T12:31:23 < ReadErr> Tectu: was looking at larger OLED
2017-01-08T12:31:26 < ReadErr> and they use 13xx
2017-01-08T12:31:42 < ReadErr> was just wondering if it was similar enough to reuse w/o much efforts
2017-01-08T12:31:55 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Research-for-the-UNITED-NATIONS/ wat the shit
2017-01-08T12:32:17 < zyp> R2COM, well, you know, optoisolators do the same, just with a higher frequency :p
2017-01-08T12:32:26 < Tectu> ReadErr, most of the SSD's tend to be fixed resolution so if the technology of the panel is exactly the same then you should be able to use it with what you call "minimal effort"
2017-01-08T12:33:06 < Tectu> ReadErr, here's a list of the stuff that is already supported out of the box: https://ugfx.io/platforms
2017-01-08T12:33:11 < dongs> the buyer has more reviews than a typical freecancer troll
2017-01-08T12:33:49 < ReadErr> ah cool so others are supported 
2017-01-08T12:34:11 < Tectu> ReadErr, yes.
2017-01-08T12:34:23 < dongs> uguufx.io
2017-01-08T12:34:26 < ReadErr> also: why you re-enable the register to DL
2017-01-08T12:34:31 < ReadErr> atmel :(((
2017-01-08T12:34:46 < zyp> Tectu, I were thinking about making some dummy display for host side testing of my graphical code, so I'm wondering, what's a good lib for shitting pixels to a window?
2017-01-08T12:35:29 < Tectu> zyp, well, uGFX does that ;)
2017-01-08T12:35:38 < Tectu> zyp, even works on Mac OS / OS X
2017-01-08T12:35:41 < zyp> the classic answer would be SDL, but I think that's pretty dated by now
2017-01-08T12:35:46 < dongs> lol sdl
2017-01-08T12:35:49 < dongs> unfortunately, its still around
2017-01-08T12:36:05 < Tectu> well, it gets the job done
2017-01-08T12:36:08 < zyp> still around, but I don't think platform support is what it used to be anymore
2017-01-08T12:36:38 < Tectu> ugfx has sdl support and that works fine. Alternatively you can use XQuarz
2017-01-08T12:36:42 < ohsix> zyp: i got like 100 optocouplers for a dollar fwiw
2017-01-08T12:37:10 < dongs> lol wat audio codecs
2017-01-08T12:37:14 < dongs> what do you do with audio in uguufx
2017-01-08T12:37:23 < ohsix> ebay keeps telling me to buy tungsten/cds ones huhu
2017-01-08T12:37:41 < zyp> Tectu, uh, how is that even relevant?
2017-01-08T12:37:53 < Tectu> zyp, what/which part?
2017-01-08T12:37:59 < zyp> xquartz
2017-01-08T12:38:19 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/12711230.html
2017-01-08T12:38:20 < Tectu> well, it would allow you creating a window and pushing pixels to it just like with SDL. 
2017-01-08T12:38:37 < zyp> through the X11 API you mean?
2017-01-08T12:38:39 < ohsix> does it have a vnc server mode
2017-01-08T12:38:41 < Tectu> zyp, you seemed to prefer not to use SDL and that's the one alternative that works on Mac that comes to my mind
2017-01-08T12:38:44 < Tectu> zyp, yes
2017-01-08T12:38:53 < zyp> do people actually use that directly?
2017-01-08T12:39:08 < Tectu> yes?
2017-01-08T12:39:37 < zyp> anyway, I'm not opposed to SDL, I just wondered if there's any better alternatives around
2017-01-08T12:39:54 < dongs> cant you just install some python trash
2017-01-08T12:39:57 < ohsix> there are a few but they all sux
2017-01-08T12:40:05 < zyp> I considered the possibility of using Qt, I believe they have a widget I can just throw pixels at
2017-01-08T12:40:33 < zyp> dongs, not for actually testing C++ code
2017-01-08T12:40:36 < ohsix> using egl and a quad with streamed texture is ez
2017-01-08T12:40:47 < dongs> zyp, do you need it on macos or wat
2017-01-08T12:41:19 < zyp> well, I'm working on macos, so yeah
2017-01-08T12:41:26 < zyp> preferably a lib that doesn't care about platform
2017-01-08T12:41:28 < ohsix> librfb aint so bad
2017-01-08T12:41:44 < zyp> even if I'm using macos, I don't want to tie myself to it
2017-01-08T12:41:44 < ohsix> https://libvnc.github.io/
2017-01-08T12:41:52 < Tectu> sometimes I wonder whether ohsix actually knows all this crap or just does google and 30 seconds of page scrolling in order to look smart
2017-01-08T12:41:58 < Tectu> and sometimes I wonder why I still don't have him on ignore
2017-01-08T12:42:24 < ohsix> seems like a dumb suggestion, but it is easy to do on a microcontroller over serial or some shit
2017-01-08T12:42:40 < ohsix> Tectu: be specific, heh
2017-01-08T12:42:59 < dongs> http://pbx.mine.nu/artwork/fishosx.png i did this, but i cant find the sores
2017-01-08T12:43:09 < dongs> that just dumped a rgb thing into a window
2017-01-08T12:43:15 < zyp> heh
2017-01-08T12:43:50 < dongs> also .sit
2017-01-08T12:43:52 < ohsix> i said egl instead of gl cuz egl changed how platforms support gl, and the old way was a pain in the dick (but still relatively simple for tex->quad)
2017-01-08T12:43:56 < zyp> Tectu, so anyway, what you're saying is that you're using SDL underneath ugfx when running on host platform?
2017-01-08T12:43:59 < dongs> 2004
2017-01-08T12:44:21 < ohsix> zyp: that's how you rev the ui without flashing the device over and over
2017-01-08T12:44:29 < Tectu> zyp, that's one of the backends that uGFX uses, yes. It does native Win32 stuff on windows and also supports X11
2017-01-08T12:44:41 < zyp> ohsix, read my original question
2017-01-08T12:44:54 < zyp> Tectu, so those three?
2017-01-08T12:45:21 < Tectu> zyp, those three. Which become two in your case ;)
2017-01-08T12:45:23 < ohsix> zyp: ah i read over 'host'
2017-01-08T12:45:35 < Tectu> zyp, personally I'd just go with SDL. Easy to use, cross platform, no fuckery.
2017-01-08T12:45:40 < zyp> okay
2017-01-08T12:45:44 < Tectu> zyp, of course there are tons of other possibilities
2017-01-08T12:45:48 < zyp> can it do scaled output?
2017-01-08T12:45:52 < ohsix> yes
2017-01-08T12:45:53 < Tectu> zyp, yes
2017-01-08T12:45:58 < ohsix> you can do gl too
2017-01-08T12:46:12 < Tectu> zyp, SDL_RenderScale or something like that
2017-01-08T12:46:19 < zyp> okay, cool
2017-01-08T12:46:26 < dongs> > no fuckery
2017-01-08T12:46:28 < dongs> i disagree
2017-01-08T12:46:32 < ohsix> there's color conversion stuff and in sdl1 there wasn't much support for using native pixel format or askign sdl about it
2017-01-08T12:46:33 < dongs> SDL requires dll linking on windows
2017-01-08T12:46:37 < dongs> you cant static link that shit.
2017-01-08T12:46:47 < Tectu> wut?
2017-01-08T12:46:52 < dongs> showstopper for me, i fucking hate app install full of dumb .dll files
2017-01-08T12:47:00 < zyp> I don't care about linking, I'm not going to make builds that will be distributed
2017-01-08T12:47:06 < dongs> i do
2017-01-08T12:47:12 < dongs> i care about FREEDOM
2017-01-08T12:47:13 < ohsix> zyp: theres another one that does literally nothing but that, can't remember the name though, still looking
2017-01-08T12:47:15 < dongs> from faggotry
2017-01-08T12:47:16 < stvn> :]
2017-01-08T12:47:22 < zyp> this is just for testing the display code without flashing it to mcu
2017-01-08T12:47:34 < dongs> zyp, add some pixel measurement stuff too while youre at it
2017-01-08T12:47:42 < zyp> measure what?
2017-01-08T12:47:46 < Tectu> zyp, well, my statement remains, +1 for SDL in this case. Anything else I might be helpful with?
2017-01-08T12:48:02 < dongs> Tectu: i think zyp is gonna roll his own version of uguufx
2017-01-08T12:48:06 < zyp> Tectu, ok, thanks
2017-01-08T12:48:17 < zyp> more like ngfx
2017-01-08T12:48:21 < ReadErr> ohsix: how to expand t.co urls?
2017-01-08T12:48:35 < ReadErr> bit.ly you could add a + at the end
2017-01-08T12:48:36 < ohsix> ReadErr: no idea
2017-01-08T12:48:37 < zyp> I talked to Tectu about using ugfx before, and we concluded it would be overkill
2017-01-08T12:48:43 < Tectu> indeed
2017-01-08T12:48:53 < ReadErr> do people not realize how shitty obfuscated urls are
2017-01-08T12:49:04 < stvn> ReadErr, stm32
2017-01-08T12:49:22 < ReadErr> stvn: I got eclipse open and openocd runnin m8, do u?
2017-01-08T12:49:29 < stvn> just keel
2017-01-08T12:49:39 < ReadErr> im not kewl enuff
2017-01-08T12:50:01 < stvn> sif
2017-01-08T12:50:03 < dongs> ReadErr: uhh, wget t.co/shit
2017-01-08T12:50:08 < dongs> it'll 401 or wahtever to the real one
2017-01-08T12:50:11 < dongs> and youll see the url
2017-01-08T12:50:16 < ReadErr> yea i know i can curl --head
2017-01-08T12:50:21 < dongs> or that, wahtever
2017-01-08T12:50:22 < ReadErr> or w/e but fuck that
2017-01-08T12:50:27 < dongs> the fuck do you care?
2017-01-08T12:50:30 < dongs> why cant just click on it
2017-01-08T12:50:37 < Tectu> lol ^
2017-01-08T12:50:37 < ReadErr> nimp
2017-01-08T12:50:38 < dongs> youre gonna give twatter counts anyawy
2017-01-08T12:50:47 < dongs> ReadErr: twatter blocks nimp and such
2017-01-08T12:50:47 < ReadErr> final measure'd
2017-01-08T12:50:51 < zyp> hmm, I got SDL installed already, guess it's not that bad actually :p
2017-01-08T12:50:59 < stvn> it's probably shit anyway
2017-01-08T12:51:01 < Tectu> zyp, yeah, SDL is decent.
2017-01-08T12:51:14 < ReadErr> stvn: crt.nimp.org
2017-01-08T12:51:24 < stvn> right
2017-01-08T12:51:39 < zyp> Tectu, obtw, SDL1 or SDL2?
2017-01-08T12:51:58 < ohsix> libvncserver was a serious suggestion
2017-01-08T12:52:18 < Tectu> zyp, SDL2
2017-01-08T12:52:29 < ohsix> zyp: 1 but it sucks, 2 and you can do everything but it's closer to just using the host apis
2017-01-08T12:52:29 < Tectu> zyp, SDL1 is dead as it can be
2017-01-08T12:52:41 < zyp> see, that was my reservation against SDL :p
2017-01-08T12:53:11 < ohsix> ikr
2017-01-08T12:53:27 < ohsix> at least for your use you can abandon it the second it doesn't do what you want
2017-01-08T12:56:15 < stvn> Tectu, come back on twitter
2017-01-08T12:56:46 < Tectu> uhm... no.
2017-01-08T12:57:24 < stvn> 2 days was enough for you?
2017-01-08T12:58:10 < Tectu> 2 seconds were enough
2017-01-08T12:59:13 < stvn> sorry to hear that
2017-01-08T12:59:22 < stvn> i guess facebook is more your thing right?
2017-01-08T12:59:48 < Tectu> neither that
2017-01-08T13:00:00 < stvn> gaymatchmaker?
2017-01-08T13:00:03 < stvn> jk
2017-01-08T13:00:09 < Tectu> wow, such funny
2017-01-08T13:00:17 < stvn> sorry, hope you're well
2017-01-08T13:00:21 < Tectu> sure honey :*
2017-01-08T13:00:25 < stvn> :3
2017-01-08T13:00:46 < ohsix> http://gafferongames.com/2004/12/26/ptc-is-dead-long-live-pixel-toaster/ derp
2017-01-08T13:02:49 < ohsix> ptc was it, but its' relevance is long gone
2017-01-08T13:04:22 < ohsix> google is all shitted up with stuff that has happened since 2004, worst search engine ever
2017-01-08T13:07:45 < stvn> hmm...
2017-01-08T13:08:12 < ohsix> most of my crap back in the day was demo scene type garbage, cuz that was interesting; past dos throwing shit on a quad is the way to go
2017-01-08T13:10:27 < stvn> i need a linear algebra brain implant
2017-01-08T13:10:52 < ohsix> are you doing something specific or is that an opengl joke
2017-01-08T13:11:03 < Tectu> talk to ohsix, stvn. I'm sure he'll have some super helpful input for you.
2017-01-08T13:11:17 < Tectu> like first-page google results.
2017-01-08T13:11:18 < stvn> why would I do that?
2017-01-08T13:11:25 < Tectu> dunno, maybe you hate yourself too
2017-01-08T13:11:30 < ohsix> at least i won't be passive aggressive about it
2017-01-08T13:11:46 < ReadErr> lol Tectu cold as fuck
2017-01-08T13:11:50 < Tectu> why do you need to math anyway, stvn?
2017-01-08T13:11:52 < stvn> yeah aint he
2017-01-08T13:12:01 < stvn> Tectu, just reading some old control systems  stuff
2017-01-08T13:12:07 < Tectu> I see
2017-01-08T13:12:10 < Tectu> better install methlab
2017-01-08T13:12:19 < stvn> yeah no shit, it fucking rocks for this
2017-01-08T13:12:24 < Tectu> I know :D
2017-01-08T13:12:29 < ohsix> wat book do you have stvn
2017-01-08T13:12:31 < Tectu> I was pretty serious about that one
2017-01-08T13:12:35 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-08T13:13:54 < ohsix> stvn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjBOesZCoqc
2017-01-08T13:14:09 < ohsix> i watched these recently, they're alright
2017-01-08T13:14:44 < stvn> I shall see how much of my old matlabz runs on octave
2017-01-08T13:15:15 < Tectu> according to Laurenceb the matlab compatibility of octave is pretty much inexistent by now.
2017-01-08T13:15:18 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWYkes-n6E and i haven't wathced this but it's getting around
2017-01-08T13:15:27 < stvn> ah
2017-01-08T13:15:32 < ohsix> that's some super helpful input from tectu
2017-01-08T13:15:47 < ohsix> according to Laurenceb, amirite!
2017-01-08T13:16:00 < ohsix> anyways i have some fucking book suggestions too
2017-01-08T13:16:05 < Tectu> Laurenceb, is just a troll, but he knows what he talks about.
2017-01-08T13:16:13 < stvn> we know
2017-01-08T13:16:20 < ohsix> i know at length
2017-01-08T13:16:23 < stvn> he likes 8ch
2017-01-08T13:17:25 < ohsix> the books on control systems are pretty cool
2017-01-08T13:18:09 < ohsix> where does linear algebra come in tho
2017-01-08T13:18:52 < ohsix> like wat type of analysis for what method, i'm a neophyte and haven't seen any that really draw on anything about it
2017-01-08T13:19:06 < ohsix> except maybe from optimization
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2017-01-08T13:22:07 < stvn> life without alcohol or drugs
2017-01-08T13:24:10 < ReadErr> Tectu: how can i convert a image to something for ugfx easy
2017-01-08T13:25:31 < stvn> a fucken perl script mate
2017-01-08T13:25:43 < ohsix> convert it to xpm and #include
2017-01-08T13:25:50 < ohsix> parsing is sure to be speedy
2017-01-08T13:25:59 < ReadErr> oy vey
2017-01-08T13:26:10 < Tectu> how about we all put ohsix on ignore?
2017-01-08T13:26:21 < ohsix> shit is very serious
2017-01-08T13:26:32 < ohsix> misunderstanding intensifies
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2017-01-08T13:26:44 < ohsix> how about you answer ReadErr instead
2017-01-08T13:26:51 < ohsix> so my jokes won't sully his eyes
2017-01-08T13:26:51 < Tectu> ReadErr, depends on many factors. I guess in your current situation using BMP1 would be the most intelligent solution. There is virtually no overhead on the uGFX side for that and you can still open/edit with regular software on your computer
2017-01-08T13:27:40 < Tectu> ReadErr, BMP1 being the suggestion as I think you're doing monochrome stuff. Otherwise any of the other BMP formats. BMP is 100% supported in uGFX with all features and stuff.
2017-01-08T13:27:48 < ReadErr> ya just mono
2017-01-08T13:27:56 < ohsix> does it support compression
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2017-01-08T13:28:10 < ohsix> windows doesn't even support it very well
2017-01-08T13:28:22 < Tectu> yes it does
2017-01-08T13:28:31 < Tectu> (it == ugfx)
2017-01-08T13:28:33 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-08T13:28:39 < Tectu> ReadErr, so BMP1 then
2017-01-08T13:28:58 < Tectu> ReadErr, when enabling BMP support in the configuration file, make sure to manually disable all the other BMP formats which are enabled by default to save code space.
2017-01-08T13:30:10 < ReadErr> ok checking on how to make the GFILE or w/e from bmp now
2017-01-08T13:30:33 < Tectu> file2c
2017-01-08T13:30:42 < ohsix> does ugfx have hooks to load filez by name from 'storage'
2017-01-08T13:31:00 < Tectu> https://wiki.ugfx.io/index.php/ROMFS
2017-01-08T13:31:05 < Tectu> ohsix, yes.
2017-01-08T13:31:05 < ohsix> a lot of similar libraries have a filesystem thing you can append stuff to
2017-01-08T13:31:07 < ohsix> neat
2017-01-08T13:32:05 < ReadErr> ahh thats what i was looking for
2017-01-08T13:32:06 < ohsix> need to perv out on some line sensor datasheets, some recon for another thing
2017-01-08T13:32:43 < ohsix> they aren't the first page of google and i'm out of ideas
2017-01-08T13:33:03 < dongs> lol i wrote something in .NET to convert bmp24 to dongsgfx
2017-01-08T13:33:53 < Steffanx> VB?
2017-01-08T13:33:56 < dongs> c#
2017-01-08T13:34:00 < dongs> i dont have vb.net installed.
2017-01-08T13:35:44 < Tectu> all the fun you're missing in your life, dongs
2017-01-08T13:36:16 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
2017-01-08T13:37:32 < ohsix> so nobody happens to have any offhand knowledge of lien-scan image sensors? k
2017-01-08T13:38:14 < ohsix> there's a weird 3mhz complementary pair of io on the thing and i don't know what it is; the luminance output comes out on an analog pin
2017-01-08T13:50:18 < stvn> <kfoltman> brianx: I'd suggest ##stm32, but you'd need a flameproof vest there
2017-01-08T13:50:20 < stvn> rofl
2017-01-08T13:51:05 < dongs> haha
2017-01-08T13:51:12 < dongs> is that #stonertronics
2017-01-08T13:51:37 < stvn> no ##embedded
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2017-01-08T13:54:01 < Steffanx> Welcome Emilgardis got your flameproof vest on?
2017-01-08T13:54:12 < Emilgardis> I hope so
2017-01-08T13:54:28 < dongs> now we have Emilgardis and Emil 
2017-01-08T13:54:38 < Tectu> \o/
2017-01-08T13:54:42 < Emilgardis> ddf to svd quick or I'll /part!!!
2017-01-08T13:55:30 < zyp> you'll be missed
2017-01-08T13:55:30 < dongs> ddf sounds like some shit ewarm uses
2017-01-08T13:55:56 < Emilgardis> XD
2017-01-08T13:56:11 < dongs> dA DDF file is used by the C-SPY Debugger to provide information about the actual target hardware and
2017-01-08T13:56:15 < dongs> add more features. The filename extension used for a device description file is ddf. The main topics of the
2017-01-08T13:56:18 < dongs> DDF file are:
2017-01-08T13:56:18 < dongs> sounds like faggotry, cuz SVD is teh standard
2017-01-08T13:56:30 < dongs> and you can download svd shit from arm.com or your favorite vendor etc.
2017-01-08T13:56:51 < dongs> keil packs have all the svd files, and im pretty sure so does cube/stdperiphlib downloads
2017-01-08T13:57:24 < Emilgardis> I wasn't able to download anything from arm.com
2017-01-08T13:57:31 < dongs> whjat are you looking for in particular
2017-01-08T13:57:35 < dongs> .svd for which STM part?
2017-01-08T13:57:37 < Emilgardis> I logged in but I did't get anyfurther
2017-01-08T13:57:48 < Emilgardis> not really stm, it's m451
2017-01-08T13:57:51 < Emilgardis> nuvoton
2017-01-08T13:57:56 < Tectu> Emilgardis, embitz/emblocks has a great SVD repository
2017-01-08T13:58:11 < Tectu> well, this is ##stm32 :D
2017-01-08T13:58:21 < Emilgardis> I was recommended here.
2017-01-08T13:58:29 < Emilgardis> But trust me, I like stm
2017-01-08T13:58:38 < Tectu> did they give you a flameproof west?
2017-01-08T13:59:20 < Emilgardis> I had to purchase it myself
2017-01-08T13:59:30 < Emilgardis> it was very expensive
2017-01-08T13:59:48 < Tectu> what's your paypal address? Send me a copy of the invoice/bill/receipt and we'll refund you.
2017-01-08T13:59:58 < Tectu> all referrals are supposed to get a free one
2017-01-08T14:00:47 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/eFtqCau.png what is this nonsense
2017-01-08T14:01:14 < ohsix> it would make sense if the pulses weren't so wide
2017-01-08T14:02:34 < kakimir> back to codings
2017-01-08T14:03:01 < Tectu> better sauna, kakimir 
2017-01-08T14:03:25 < Emilgardis> Tectu: Oh man thanks!
2017-01-08T14:03:55 < Emilgardis> Tectu: I've pmed it, have to be careful of bots sniffing emails here
2017-01-08T14:04:39 < Tectu> Emilgardis, got it. I'll take care of it within the next couple of hours
2017-01-08T14:05:06 < dongs> Emilgardis: i have M451_v1.svd
2017-01-08T14:05:17 < dongs> ~2.5megs.
2017-01-08T14:05:33 < Emilgardis> WOW!
2017-01-08T14:05:36 < Emilgardis> Yes please!
2017-01-08T14:05:50 < dongs>  /msg for paypal infoz. 
2017-01-08T14:05:52 < dongs> anyway im not a cunt so
2017-01-08T14:05:55 < dongs> wget http://www.nuvoton.com/hq/enu/Documents/KEILSoftwarePack/Nuvoton.NuMicro_DFP.1.0.9.pack
2017-01-08T14:05:58 < dongs> unzip
2017-01-08T14:06:01 < dongs> the .svs is inside 'SVD' folder.
2017-01-08T14:06:19 < dongs> er ,svd
2017-01-08T14:07:07 < Emilgardis> Was looking for the .pack, didn't find it.
2017-01-08T14:07:09 < Emilgardis> Thanks
2017-01-08T14:07:49 < dongs> original link to pack is like http://www.keil.com/dd2/nuvoton/m451mlg6ae/
2017-01-08T14:07:57 < dongs> i think you can get to there by browsing keil supported mcu lists
2017-01-08T14:08:12 < dongs> ya, from their device database -> http://www.keil.com/dd2/
2017-01-08T14:09:38 < dongs> and .pack is just .zip
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2017-01-08T14:14:19 < dongs> those thieving fuckers from IAR probably took keil svds and converted to their own shit format
2017-01-08T14:14:55 < Emilgardis> I think not, got the ddf from nuvoton
2017-01-08T14:15:03 < dongs> haha ok
2017-01-08T14:21:51 < kakimir> was it inline needed in header or source or both?
2017-01-08T14:21:58 < kakimir> inline keyword
2017-01-08T14:26:58 < Emilgardis> dongs: firefox completely rejected to download the file, crashed 4 times, now I'm wget'ing
2017-01-08T14:27:08 < dongs> Emilgardis: lol i told you to wget it.
2017-01-08T14:27:12 < Emilgardis> Oh
2017-01-08T14:27:18 < Emilgardis> Didn't see that
2017-01-08T14:27:21 < dongs>  < dongs> wget http://www.nuvoton.com/hq/enu/Documents/KEILSoftwarePack/Nuvoton.NuMicro_DFP.1.0.9.pack
2017-01-08T14:27:26 < Emilgardis> Yeah yeah
2017-01-08T14:27:31 < Emilgardis> All I saw was blue
2017-01-08T14:27:36 < Emilgardis> I click on blue,
2017-01-08T14:27:38 < dongs> they dont properly set application/type or whatever
2017-01-08T14:27:43 < dongs> so teh shit e nds up downlaoding into browser as garbage
2017-01-08T14:28:09 < Emilgardis> good thing wget doesn't care about application/type
2017-01-08T14:28:19 < Emilgardis> not even if it is gzip
2017-01-08T14:29:26 < Tectu> Emilgardis, can you please check your paypal? you should have received the payment.
2017-01-08T14:31:19 < Emilgardis> Hmm, payment from Mr Bond James, is that you?
2017-01-08T14:33:06 < Tectu> too bad you didn't use initials, cuz they would match my real name which is for some reason known here
2017-01-08T14:33:42 < dongs> Tectu: cuz its totally not listed in the bottom right corner of uguufx.io
2017-01-08T14:34:52 < Emilgardis> XD
2017-01-08T14:37:42 < Tectu> it's not, dongs
2017-01-08T14:37:51 < dongs> yeah it is
2017-01-08T14:38:54 < Tectu> no?
2017-01-08T14:43:33 < dongs> https://giant.gfycat.com/CaninePlaintiveKissingbug.webm
2017-01-08T14:48:01 < dongs> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ rip
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2017-01-08T15:50:47 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/d063244108cd82351c55f8c5d70422407c1469f4c3719b7e6a7c8244dc6425aa.jpeg
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2017-01-08T15:55:31 < ReadErr> +q incoming 
2017-01-08T15:59:07 < Laurenceb_> hi ReadErr
2017-01-08T16:08:47 < Laurenceb_> lul she has gone mad https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/817869260068454404
2017-01-08T16:10:07 < ReadErr> wat
2017-01-08T16:10:08 < ReadErr> IC?
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2017-01-08T16:13:10 < Emilgardis> ??
2017-01-08T16:13:14 < Emilgardis> Who is that woman?
2017-01-08T16:13:34 < Emilgardis> Conservative, feminist, optimist, patriot. pick one
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2017-01-08T16:26:51 < dongs> let's talk about stm32
2017-01-08T16:38:36 < Emilgardis> this is not ##stm32...
2017-01-08T16:38:47 < Emilgardis> but sure
2017-01-08T16:38:52 < Emilgardis>  /s
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2017-01-08T16:52:05 < dongs> well, spoke too s oon
2017-01-08T16:52:09 < dongs> LTO is still fucked in armclang
2017-01-08T16:53:14 < englishman> dongs: did you see keil 5.22 also got multithreading
2017-01-08T16:53:20 < dongs> ?
2017-01-08T16:53:26 < dongs> its had htem
2017-01-08T16:53:37 < dongs> it only works when you have -O0 and no LTO/crossmodule optiimzation
2017-01-08T16:53:42 < Emilgardis> lto is currently fucked in a lot of compilers
2017-01-08T16:53:43 < englishman> o
2017-01-08T16:53:52 < englishman> well they added some function to specify # of cores
2017-01-08T16:53:58 < englishman> also: clang sure throws a lot of fucking errors lol
2017-01-08T16:53:58 < ReadErr> lto is broke in chibi+gcc5.4
2017-01-08T16:54:01 < dongs> in settings?
2017-01-08T16:54:04 < Emilgardis> many as in two, clang and rustc
2017-01-08T16:54:12 < englishman> New: Parallel Build Configuration added to the dialog Edit - Configuration - Other to set the number of CPU cores used during the build process.
2017-01-08T16:54:24 < Emilgardis> and gcc I guess
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2017-01-08T16:54:48 < dongs> ya i have it auto-set to 8 looks like
2017-01-08T16:54:58 < englishman> in desktop i7
2017-01-08T16:55:18 < englishman> theres no --C99 needed anymore right
2017-01-08T16:55:50 < englishman> cuz clang doesnt try to be an ansi compiler
2017-01-08T16:55:52 < dongs> well, if youre using armclang
2017-01-08T16:55:56 < dongs> but you ahve even more options there
2017-01-08T16:56:01 < dongs> c99, c9000 etc
2017-01-08T16:56:05 < dongs> but they're in a dropbox now
2017-01-08T16:56:15 < dongs> you will also need cmsis 5.0
2017-01-08T16:56:32 < dongs> just replace current cmsis shit you have with crap from CMSIS_5-5.0.0\CMSIS\Core\Include
2017-01-08T16:56:37 < englishman> oh it has to be a lowercase C
2017-01-08T16:56:38 < englishman> lol
2017-01-08T16:56:39 < englishman> lunix
2017-01-08T16:56:39 < dongs> no other shit needed
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2017-01-08T16:58:34 < englishman> do they plan to make it the default compiler eventually
2017-01-08T16:58:47 < dongs> sadly, i would guess so, in mdk6 or whatever
2017-01-08T16:58:51 < dongs> so you better get usedf to that shit now
2017-01-08T16:58:56 < dongs> 1st protip: dont enable LTO
2017-01-08T16:59:02 < dongs> it broke my shit in hidden ways
2017-01-08T16:59:16 < englishman> sounds secretive, for opensores
2017-01-08T16:59:20 < englishman> will avoid
2017-01-08T17:07:39 < dongs> they even added license checks to ti
2017-01-08T17:07:41 < dongs> it
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2017-01-08T17:13:26 < emeb_mac> what? keil did something undesirable? 
2017-01-08T17:20:44 < ReadErr> RMS is turning in his grave 
2017-01-08T17:21:14 < dongs> is clang GNU?
2017-01-08T17:21:28 < dongs> no its BSD
2017-01-08T17:21:29 < dongs> so
2017-01-08T17:21:30 < dongs> thats why
2017-01-08T17:21:42 < dongs> shit like rowleys used gcc
2017-01-08T17:21:47 < dongs> so they have to publish sores
2017-01-08T17:25:54 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJaeqxWMpng
2017-01-08T17:40:28 < kakimir> any good embedded blogs guise?
2017-01-08T17:40:41 < kakimir> or web magazines
2017-01-08T17:42:22 < englishman> dongs: license checks in opensores?
2017-01-08T17:42:24 < englishman> for what/
2017-01-08T17:42:25 < englishman> ?
2017-01-08T17:42:54 < dongs> for keil licensing
2017-01-08T17:42:58 < dongs> im talking about thier clang shit
2017-01-08T17:43:37 < englishman> well, luckily i'm a full licensed keil user, but what would this change, isnt clang bsd license
2017-01-08T17:48:37 < dongs> BSD doesn't prevent you from charging $ for the software
2017-01-08T17:50:04 < englishman> sure neither does GPL
2017-01-08T17:51:17 < dongs> but with gpl you have to publish sores
2017-01-08T17:51:22 < dongs> keil doenst have to with BSD
2017-01-08T17:51:30 < dongs> so they can add licensing, charge for it, and not post sores
2017-01-08T17:51:47 < englishman> wat
2017-01-08T17:51:48 < Thorn> kakimir: http://www.ganssle.com/articles.htm http://www.ganssle.com/tem-back.htm 
2017-01-08T17:51:51 < englishman> i thought bsd was free-as-in-vomit
2017-01-08T17:55:32 < englishman> o yeah this is restrictive as fuck
2017-01-08T17:55:39 < englishman> how is this "foss approved"
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2017-01-08T18:03:22 < emeb_mac> you want super free get MIT lic. AFAICT that's down to "do whatever, just give me credit"
2017-01-08T18:06:29 < englishman> or this http://www.wtfpl.net/
2017-01-08T18:13:01 < englishman> guise
2017-01-08T18:13:12 < englishman> a ##stm32 bro is about to break the world record HAB duration record
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2017-01-08T18:17:37 < Emilgardis> wtfpl is good
2017-01-08T18:17:57 < Emilgardis> but I usually do MIT and APACHE dual license
2017-01-08T18:19:04 < englishman> https://twitter.com/akadamson/status/818126528680722436
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2017-01-08T18:22:50 < fenugrec> you can also publicdomain it ...
2017-01-08T18:24:28 < ReadErr> englishman: is that aadamson's rig?
2017-01-08T18:24:32 < englishman> ya
2017-01-08T18:24:41 < ReadErr> damn nice
2017-01-08T18:24:44 < Tectu> lol, there's a dude on LinkedIn that claims to have worked at my company at 2015 for one year. How come I don't know that?
2017-01-08T18:24:45 < englishman> ya
2017-01-08T18:24:52 < englishman> lol
2017-01-08T18:25:17 < ReadErr> how the hell has it been up so long
2017-01-08T18:25:30 < englishman> well bodnar's might still be up there
2017-01-08T18:25:40 < englishman> but is unable to chat
2017-01-08T18:25:50 < ReadErr> broke?
2017-01-08T18:25:58 < englishman> battery shorted or something
2017-01-08T18:26:04 < englishman> aadamson's is nextgen
2017-01-08T18:27:38 < ReadErr> impressive 
2017-01-08T18:27:41 < ReadErr> @STM32 ?
2017-01-08T18:27:47 < ReadErr> @ST
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2017-01-08T18:29:48 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Antenna-600-6000-SIGINT-VIVALDI-TAPERED/dp/B0141KA6LM/ neat
2017-01-08T18:32:40 < aadamson> ReadErr, it's an STM32F051
2017-01-08T18:33:23 < ReadErr> very cool, is this for the world record ever?
2017-01-08T18:33:43 < aadamson>   now
2017-01-08T18:33:47 < aadamson> no, just amateur
2017-01-08T18:34:03 < aadamson> google is 190 days and nasa has some really old stuff for 2 year or there abouts
2017-01-08T18:34:12 < ReadErr> woh
2017-01-08T18:34:15 < aadamson> but I might break googles :)
2017-01-08T18:34:47 < aadamson> The most fun was using a way for it to be heard WW and every day
2017-01-08T18:35:13 < aadamson> WSPR - which is a very awkward, restrictive protocol, but we figure out how to re-task it :)
2017-01-08T18:35:24 < aadamson> and it already had a WW listening network
2017-01-08T18:35:52 < dongs> loldongs
2017-01-08T18:36:12 < aadamson> ReadErr, - That's N4IP's from here in Atlanta, he makes a bunch of those types of antennas
2017-01-08T18:36:17 < aadamson> they work really well
2017-01-08T18:36:41 < ReadErr> pretty good bandwidth 
2017-01-08T18:36:43 < ReadErr> if they work 
2017-01-08T18:37:10 < aadamson> You'd have to know Pieter - they work :)... or he wouldn't be selling them - major type A
2017-01-08T18:37:33 < ReadErr> is it just a big piece of FR4 ?
2017-01-08T18:37:43 < ReadErr> looks decent sized from sma
2017-01-08T18:42:05 < englishman> ReadErr: http://www.radartutorial.eu/06.antennas/Tapered%20Slot%20Antenna.en.html
2017-01-08T18:43:47 < aadamson> ReadErr,  he has a bunch of different ones. - http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/Antennas.html
2017-01-08T18:44:04 < aadamson> check ebay/amazon as well, he has them on all three places
2017-01-08T18:44:31 < aadamson> I keep telling him I want a small one for ADS-B and I think he did one for that and maybe GPS, but I can't remember
2017-01-08T18:45:38 < aadamson> some are all aluminum, others are copper clad FR4, etc
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2017-01-08T18:54:23 < Thorn> is this acceptable quality https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HT-214-LY-214-IDC-CRIMPING-FIXTURE-ATTACHMENT-Network-Tool-6-27-5mm-Network-Plier-Telephone/32756059119.html
2017-01-08T18:54:44 < Rob235> are you proficient with something or in something
2017-01-08T18:55:53 < Rob235> in correct?
2017-01-08T19:06:27 < ReadErr> any pics of the rig you got up now aadamson ?
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2017-01-08T19:13:56 < aadamson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/2016-05-02%2020.50.12%20-%20small.jpg
2017-01-08T19:14:07 < aadamson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/2016-04-07%2022.11.58%20-%20small.jpg
2017-01-08T19:14:19 < aadamson> minus a 1/2 wave 20 meter long antenna :)
2017-01-08T19:14:58 < dongs> http://avherald.com/h?article=4a319157&opt=0 fucking finally
2017-01-08T19:15:25 < dongs> aadamson: i spot stm32
2017-01-08T19:15:54 < aadamson> yup stm32f051 to be precise
2017-01-08T19:16:07 < aadamson> and two silabs radios
2017-01-08T19:46:35 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/forum/61953/
2017-01-08T19:47:04 < dongs> nice to see they're on top of supporting their own product
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2017-01-08T20:01:09 < englishman> lol 100% notdrone
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2017-01-08T20:08:37 < Steffanx> https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/images/2009/03/05/sky_warrior.jpg drone englishman .. ;)
2017-01-08T20:09:03 < englishman> id think that would leave a bigger mark.
2017-01-08T20:09:06 < englishman> those are gigantic.
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2017-01-08T20:17:17 < Spirit532> englishman, they're basically paper and epoxy though
2017-01-08T20:17:25 < Spirit532> that, and 99% made out of fuel
2017-01-08T20:17:30 < Spirit532> (apparently, judging by flight times)
2017-01-08T20:18:46 < englishman> and massively efficient
2017-01-08T20:18:56 < englishman> just look at that chord and aspect ratio
2017-01-08T20:19:02 < englishman> also not carrying any useless humans
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2017-01-08T20:20:10 < englishman> weighing the same as a cessna 152 but almost twice the wingspan
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2017-01-08T20:55:00 < zyp> englishman, i.e. a motorglider
2017-01-08T20:55:17 < englishman> it is pretty much
2017-01-08T20:55:48 < englishman> tho heavier
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2017-01-08T21:04:31 < Emilgardis> I'm leaving now, nice seeing you guys, thx for the help dongs!
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2017-01-08T21:08:35 < Thorn> turns out setting the SLEEPONEXIT bit in thread mode does not immediatly puts you to sleep, you still need to WFI
2017-01-08T21:08:45 < Thorn> s/puts/put/
2017-01-08T21:10:19 < Steffanx> Are you sure about that Thorn? I've never used it, but from what i read about it .. wfi is not needed.
2017-01-08T21:11:05 < Thorn> I've been chasing some extra weird behavior after adding sleep to my delay()
2017-01-08T21:11:19 < Thorn> extended sleep (after inactivity) worked fine
2017-01-08T21:12:00 < Thorn> when I added __WFI() after SCB->SCR |= SCB_SCR_SLEEPONEXIT_Msk; in my delay() sanity has been restored
2017-01-08T21:13:20 < zyp> Steffanx, he said thread mode
2017-01-08T21:13:28 < Rob235> this good for OshPark 4 layer? http://imgur.com/5aaO1n2
2017-01-08T21:13:29 < zyp> which is entirely plausible
2017-01-08T21:13:39 < Thorn> my theory is it wasn't delaying until the first delay expired and timer interrupt fired
2017-01-08T21:13:42 < Steffanx> oh lol, i missed that part.
2017-01-08T21:13:49 < zyp> I assume SLEEPONEXIT flag is only checked on ISR return
2017-01-08T21:14:13 < Thorn> that's what I now assume, after wasting an hour
2017-01-08T21:14:33 < Thorn> I also had my thread code run in debugger with the bit set
2017-01-08T21:15:08 < Thorn> which doesn't look possible if it is equivalent to while(1) __WFI(); in thread mode
2017-01-08T21:16:08 < Thorn> I guess it's time to Yiu
2017-01-08T21:17:55 < Thorn> >The Sleep-On-Exit feature is controlled by the SLEEPONEXIT bit in the SCR. Setting this bit in an interrupt driven application is usually carried out as the last step of the initialization process. Otherwise the processor might enter sleep during the initialization of the processor, if an interrupt occurs during this stage.
2017-01-08T21:18:40 < Thorn> (>for applications where the processor activities are interrupt-driven)
2017-01-08T21:18:41 < Steffanx> More importantly: "as it exits the lowest priority ISR"
2017-01-08T21:20:24 < Thorn> btw I accidentally powered my f0 with 5V and it still seems to be alive :/
2017-01-08T21:20:30 < Steffanx> Rob235: try #oshpark
2017-01-08T21:20:42 < Rob235> ahh ok
2017-01-08T21:21:28 < Steffanx> They're not very active, but .. you'll get an answer eventually i guess
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2017-01-08T21:24:21 < Thorn> __WTF();
2017-01-08T21:26:53 < ReadErr> Rob235: that doesnt matter at all
2017-01-08T21:27:17 < Rob235> no?
2017-01-08T21:27:42 < ReadErr> well i mean the 4 layers yea
2017-01-08T21:27:42 < ReadErr> but the #s dont
2017-01-08T21:27:54 < Rob235> so it just is what it is when they make it
2017-01-08T21:28:08 < ReadErr> yea 
2017-01-08T21:28:14 < Rob235> ahh thanks
2017-01-08T21:28:39 < zyp> the what?
2017-01-08T21:28:46 < ReadErr> the stackup
2017-01-08T21:28:50 < ReadErr> in altium 
2017-01-08T21:28:54 < Steffanx> Altium does use it for impedance calculations and stuff right?
2017-01-08T21:29:13 < zyp> yeah, and length calculation
2017-01-08T21:29:28 < Rob235> ahh length calculation is important
2017-01-08T21:29:29 < Steffanx> And from what i understand Rob235 is doing he problably "needs" that.
2017-01-08T21:29:47 < zyp> important for what?
2017-01-08T21:29:52 < Rob235> impedance probably too, I just don't really know what that is yet :P
2017-01-08T21:29:53 < ReadErr> if stuff is that critical, you probably shouldnt be using oshpark then anyways ;)
2017-01-08T21:29:55 < Rob235> ddr3 routing
2017-01-08T21:30:10 < zyp> do you really care if a signal passing through a via gets 1mm or 2mm longer?
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2017-01-08T21:59:47 < zyp> also, ddr on oshpark specs? good luck :p
2017-01-08T22:00:13 < zyp> oh, wait, their 4L specs aren't that bad
2017-01-08T22:04:17 < Thorn> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dai0321a/index.html
2017-01-08T22:05:57 < Thorn> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.dai0321a/DAI0321A_programming_guide_memory_barriers_for_m_profile.pdf
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2017-01-08T22:30:41 < karlp> even eagle can do trace length calculation.
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2017-01-08T22:35:47 < zyp> yeah?
2017-01-08T22:36:13 < zyp> question here is trace length when it's passing through a via, for which board thickness matters
2017-01-08T22:38:30 < karlp> yeah, I see that now, I've not tested that explicitly, but it would be easy to check I guess.
2017-01-08T22:38:58 < zyp> well, my point is, you'd have to input board thickness for that to be accurate :)
2017-01-08T22:41:27 < karlp> seems to be taking vias into account from a quick test
2017-01-08T22:41:39 < karlp> don'ðt know how though
2017-01-08T22:41:45 < karlp> not sure where it was told board thickness
2017-01-08T22:42:11 < karlp> ah, there it is
2017-01-08T22:42:45 < zyp> in eagle?
2017-01-08T22:42:51 < aandrew> what the fucking fuck
2017-01-08T22:43:02 < zyp> why did eagle enter the discussion anyway?
2017-01-08T22:43:25 < zyp> the question was about the importance of getting the numbers in the stackup right in altium
2017-01-08T22:43:28 < aandrew> why the hell does Altium change part designators when I generate a BOM
2017-01-08T22:43:38 < aandrew> I have a part that is R58 when I generate a BOM
2017-01-08T22:43:42 < aandrew> and R59 (R58) after
2017-01-08T22:43:56 < zyp> haha, wat
2017-01-08T22:47:55 < aandrew> ok I think I sort of understand but don't know how to fix it
2017-01-08T22:48:10 < aandrew> I have an .Annotate file because I'm doing placement-based numbering
2017-01-08T22:48:45 < aandrew> with all schematic pages and the pcb open (but displaying a schematic page) I go to reports/bom and the designators are one way (presumably before the .Annotate file)
2017-01-08T22:49:08 < aandrew> I notice at the top of the screen for generating the BOM that it says "Bill of Materials for Project Foo (No PCB Document selected)
2017-01-08T22:49:24 < aandrew> I suspect that that is why the numbering is not right
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2017-01-08T23:18:37 < KolK> I have a problem with dynamic memory allocation. Should I have any errors on calloc call on stm32? I found that mbed TLS fails on calloc trying to allocate about 1.8kB
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2017-01-08T23:31:32 < Fleck> huh, new mythbuster series... arduinos and co :)
2017-01-08T23:32:15 < englishman> sounds just as useless as the old mythbusters
2017-01-08T23:32:36 < Steffanx> ^^ sounds like the same old grumpy englishman
2017-01-08T23:32:42 < Lambda_Aurigae> I dunno....are they going to blow up arduinos?
2017-01-08T23:32:50 < englishman> good everning brother steffans
2017-01-08T23:32:53 < Fleck> :D
2017-01-08T23:32:58 < Steffanx> Are you stvn englishman?
2017-01-08T23:33:06 < englishman> even stvn
2017-01-08T23:33:22 < Fleck> well, dunno, kinda like to watch, when have spare time :) nice show IMO
2017-01-08T23:33:44 < englishman> "streamlined mythbusters" was rather tolerable
2017-01-08T23:33:45 < Steffanx> Is it really mythbusters or some spin off without the old guys ?
2017-01-08T23:34:01 < Fleck> w/o old guys
2017-01-08T23:34:26 < Fleck> they are making competition to decide who will be in next gen mb
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2017-01-09T00:35:42 < Fleck> anyone have tried HALs touch BSP for F746-Disco?
2017-01-09T00:36:32 < Fleck> there seems to be owerflow problem or smthn, when you draw at the bottom of screen, sometimes Y is reported < 10
2017-01-09T00:37:59 < Fleck> or it's just me again? :P
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2017-01-09T01:13:01 < Fleck> add sdram?
2017-01-09T01:13:58 < ohsix> stm32 could do it but enough ram
2017-01-09T01:28:49 < englishman> why not enough ram
2017-01-09T01:29:02 < upgrdman> foo * x / y ... is there a name for x and y? multiplicand and dividend?
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2017-01-09T01:29:52 < englishman> dividend / divisor?
2017-01-09T01:30:28 < zyp> numerator / divisor?
2017-01-09T01:30:29 < Fleck> upgrdman: do you even divide, bro? :D
2017-01-09T01:30:58 < upgrdman> nice
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2017-01-09T02:03:19 < aandrew> yay got it figured out
2017-01-09T02:03:35 < aandrew> flyback: you and me both
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2017-01-09T02:04:02 < aandrew> I "designed" a triple 8255 ISA card because I was sick of parallel ports
2017-01-09T02:04:06 < aandrew> worked really well too
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2017-01-09T02:11:00 < aandrew> I had found some ancient I/O board that had every ISA finger broken out to a via, so I sawed that off and soldered a bunch of ribbon cable to connect the ISA bus to my board
2017-01-09T02:11:10 < aandrew> back when you could do such things
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2017-01-09T02:15:11 < sync_> well you still have an isa bus in your machine aandrew
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2017-01-09T02:27:20 < aandrew> sync_: not really
2017-01-09T02:55:52 < englishman> did PeterM ragequit
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2017-01-09T02:56:36 < stvn> good morning Steffan
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2017-01-09T03:18:58 < stvn> yes LeelooMinai would you like to purchase STM32
2017-01-09T03:21:24 < stvn> i see.
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2017-01-09T04:05:28 < upgrdman> lol, kat.how has lots of annoying ads now
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2017-01-09T04:58:02 < ColdKeyboard> What micro would you recommend for some FFT signal processing, DSP and that kind of stuff :)
2017-01-09T04:58:23 < ColdKeyboard> I'm thinking of capturing some audio, doing FFT on it and trying to match it to some patterns
2017-01-09T04:59:57 < upgrdman> havent tried with mcu, but prolly something with SIMD instructions
2017-01-09T05:00:11 < upgrdman> so M4
2017-01-09T05:03:50 < ColdKeyboard> I read that those guys have some MCU/ASIC chip that has ~8 cores or something
2017-01-09T05:03:51 < ColdKeyboard> :)
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2017-01-09T05:04:36 < ColdKeyboard> But their dev kits and programmers are pricey
2017-01-09T05:06:04 < ColdKeyboard> Really, around ~50 is fine I guess
2017-01-09T05:07:35 < ColdKeyboard> I'm even bigger novice when it comes to FPGA than when it comes to ARM cortexes. :)
2017-01-09T05:08:21 < ColdKeyboard> But still I want to try some DSP, like audio capture, signal whitening and then pattern matching...
2017-01-09T05:09:49 < ColdKeyboard> Lmao. I saw same image for Eve Online, FPGA and Unix :)
2017-01-09T05:11:10 < ColdKeyboard> And also I haven't seen FPGA dev board under $100...
2017-01-09T05:20:54 < upgrdman> with the plural of cortex. corticies?
2017-01-09T05:21:10 < upgrdman> *what's the
2017-01-09T05:24:45 < upgrdman> GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. adjust my monitor arm a little, and now the video is cutting out like once per 10 minutes. fucking shit DP cable.
2017-01-09T05:25:10 < upgrdman> and like an idiot, i spiral wrapped that cable with some others, to organize my shitz
2017-01-09T05:25:19 < upgrdman> (spiral wrapped it months ago)
2017-01-09T05:27:42 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> ColdKeyboard: Look at Aliexpress and how much audio-centric devices they sell based on XMOS: https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170108190650&SearchText=xmos
2017-01-09T05:27:59 < upgrdman> theres only 1000 results on ali for that
2017-01-09T05:28:13 < upgrdman> you could prolly find 1000 vendors for USED CONDOMS on aliexpress
2017-01-09T05:28:46 < ColdKeyboard> But I don't have programmer for XMOS :\
2017-01-09T05:28:59 < upgrdman> lucky you. dont do xmos
2017-01-09T05:29:14 < upgrdman> wtf would you wanna invest in a small company for something critical like that
2017-01-09T05:29:50 < upgrdman> unless you really need to squeeze BoM cost cause youre making assloads of them and dont care about EoL faggotry
2017-01-09T05:30:20 < ColdKeyboard> well, for proof of concept I think F4 or F7 might work... ADC+DAC doing sampling, then doing FFT of the signal and pattern matching...
2017-01-09T05:32:12 < ColdKeyboard> Wow, this is dirt cheap
2017-01-09T05:33:50 < dongs> fuck off with xmos spam
2017-01-09T05:34:03 < dongs> < ColdKeyboard> I'm thinking of capturing some audio, doing FFT on it and trying to match it to some patterns
2017-01-09T05:34:06 < dongs> stm32f7disco
2017-01-09T05:34:18 < dongs> has 2 mics, lcd, 216mhz m4 + dsp
2017-01-09T05:34:34 < dongs> for less than it would cost y ou to buy some shitty xmos devkit
2017-01-09T05:35:30 < upgrdman> anyone know if the pc can know if a displayport cable is flakey? e.g. will video driver know if packets are lost/corrupt?
2017-01-09T05:36:33 < dongs> no, cuz its one way only
2017-01-09T05:36:39 < dongs> shitty dp cables are definitely a thing
2017-01-09T05:38:06 < dongs> i mean, there's two-way dpaux thing but link quality isnt part of it.
2017-01-09T05:38:10 < dongs> how long is the cable?
2017-01-09T05:38:15 < ColdKeyboard> I'll have to weight both options and see which one is best for me :)
2017-01-09T05:38:34 < upgrdman> dongs, 3m
2017-01-09T05:38:40 < upgrdman> well i ordered a new one
2017-01-09T05:38:42 < dongs> thats a bit long
2017-01-09T05:38:47 < dongs> how fat is it?
2017-01-09T05:38:50 < upgrdman> will return the old one as if it was the new one ;)
2017-01-09T05:38:55 < dongs> thats like 20gbps over 3 meters
2017-01-09T05:38:56 < upgrdman> its fatter than normal
2017-01-09T05:39:34 < dongs> when I wanted a long cable i had to get raped by that startech.com shit
2017-01-09T05:39:38 < dongs> but at least it worked
2017-01-09T05:39:48 < upgrdman> dongs, active shitz?
2017-01-09T05:39:52 < dongs> no, regular
2017-01-09T05:40:03 < upgrdman> is it like 12awg wires?
2017-01-09T05:40:33 < dongs> not sure, didnt take it apart obviously cuz it worked
2017-01-09T05:40:40 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-09T05:40:41 < dongs> also china fucking hates displayport
2017-01-09T05:40:49 < upgrdman> ?
2017-01-09T05:40:49 < dongs> ebay/etc barely sells anything good with it
2017-01-09T05:40:54 < upgrdman> o
2017-01-09T05:41:23 < upgrdman> prolly cause all china video cards still use DVI, and theres no passive DVI -> DP, lol
2017-01-09T05:41:28 < dongs> < ColdKeyboard> I'll have to weight both options and see which one is best for me :)
2017-01-09T05:41:35 < upgrdman> those fuckers still use ps2 everywhere too
2017-01-09T05:41:45 < dongs> upgrdman: chinagirl uses VGA
2017-01-09T05:41:47 < dongs> and PS2
2017-01-09T05:41:53 < upgrdman> not surprised
2017-01-09T05:41:57 < dongs> her main work desktop>monitor
2017-01-09T05:42:52 < upgrdman> prolly ultra ata/66 hdd's too
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2017-01-09T06:08:32 < dongs> my gamerfag case arrived
2017-01-09T06:08:33 < dongs> ML08
2017-01-09T06:21:24 < upgrdman> dongs, nice. very similar to my node202
2017-01-09T06:31:40 < dongs> says to read manual before assemblyt should I yolo it
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2017-01-09T06:35:21 < upgrdman> yolo is the only way
2017-01-09T06:35:53 < upgrdman> just make sure psu voltage slider (if it has one, mine doesnt) is set for your region
2017-01-09T06:37:08 < dongs> it uses that faggot SFX psu which hasnt arrived yet
2017-01-09T06:37:16 < dongs> ordred on amazon during same fucking order
2017-01-09T06:37:50 < dongs> finally i will have front panel USB3.0
2017-01-09T06:37:57 < dongs> ive never owned a case with that
2017-01-09T06:40:45 < upgrdman> feelsgoodman
2017-01-09T06:45:59 < upgrdman> dongs, gamer fag case with transparent lcd window  https://gfycat.com/EmptyUnacceptableCaracal
2017-01-09T06:47:32 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, why do these mini satellites have triangular solar panels?  http://i.imgur.com/GVKdfyS.jpg
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2017-01-09T06:52:50 < dongs> upgrdman: haha
2017-01-09T06:54:19 < dongs> aids
2017-01-09T06:55:35 < dongs> its funny cuz its literally just LCD without the backlight
2017-01-09T06:55:37 < dongs> i.e. nothignnew
2017-01-09T06:56:05 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, thx
2017-01-09T06:58:18 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, all in good fun
2017-01-09T07:11:23 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, those always seemed neat in photos / ikea model rooms, but i feel like it would be distracting as fuck after 3 minutes.
2017-01-09T07:12:15 < upgrdman> if you want to help your mom's eyes, put a night light in the room
2017-01-09T07:13:39 < upgrdman> i keep an ikea jansjo on 24/7 in the living room for that very reason. also makes it nice to walk around in the middle of the night without bumbing into shit or turning on a bright light
2017-01-09T07:14:04 < upgrdman> yes i know why. i do it too
2017-01-09T07:14:21 < upgrdman> but not so much behind tv/monitor, but like above my fucking heat
2017-01-09T07:14:26 < upgrdman> s/heat/head
2017-01-09T07:15:01 < upgrdman> one of these, aimed at the ceiling: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20169658/
2017-01-09T07:15:40 < upgrdman> ya. shame the switch ikea uses is a piece of shit
2017-01-09T07:15:57 < upgrdman> you have to wiggle it every few months as the contacts oxidize and the led dims a bit
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2017-01-09T07:16:22 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, do you use java lambda often?
2017-01-09T07:16:28 < upgrdman> lambdas*
2017-01-09T07:18:22 < upgrdman> heh, im not the only one with the ikea switch fuckery  http://omeganaught.com/2014/11/fixing-flikering-ikea-jansjo-lamps/
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2017-01-09T07:18:43 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-09T07:28:28 < dongs> lol taht switch
2017-01-09T07:28:30 < dongs> is like
2017-01-09T07:28:36 < dongs> that lamp is like $5.99 right
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2017-01-09T07:36:18 < upgrdman> lol  "When working at a coffee shop, I hate going alone because then I have to take my computer with me when I have to go poop. The struggle is real."
2017-01-09T07:36:24 < upgrdman> from https://www.remotestories.com/
2017-01-09T07:36:47 < upgrdman> dongs, ya cheap shit huh
2017-01-09T07:41:40 < upgrdman> lol  https://i.redd.it/wiphupy4vi8y.png
2017-01-09T07:45:06 < upgrdman> i imagine this as an r2com tweet  https://i.reddituploads.com/9fc43e35a9f7423d82ec2c9dbf25cd71?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=837fa978ac89d1b01e7560ac3bff9825
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2017-01-09T08:29:08 < ohsix> sup
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2017-01-09T08:50:30 < scrotal_bonus> hi
2017-01-09T08:51:34 < jpa-> hello
2017-01-09T08:51:44 < jpa-> your nick indicates that you'll fit right in on this channel
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2017-01-09T09:22:19 < Fleck> gm ppl!
2017-01-09T09:25:10 < ohsix> aandrew: lpc bus yo
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2017-01-09T09:28:57 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: http://elm-chan.org/works/akilcd/report_e.html you don't necessarily need a lot of resources
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2017-01-09T10:52:53 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-gVtV67Gnc
2017-01-09T10:52:55 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-09T10:53:06 < ohsix> i wish i could get all the people in my life to know this as well as i do
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2017-01-09T11:05:57 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/alexbreitler/status/818297570489290753 argh
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2017-01-09T11:17:34 < Thorn> are there open source lxi compatible instruments?
2017-01-09T11:17:58 < ohsix> 'yes'
2017-01-09T11:18:25 < Thorn> any examples
2017-01-09T11:18:38 < ohsix> now, that's work
2017-01-09T11:18:40 < ohsix> huehurhu
2017-01-09T11:19:18 < ohsix> looking to build an lxi device?
2017-01-09T11:20:19 < ohsix> https://github.com/lxi/liblxi neat
2017-01-09T11:22:26 < Thorn> that is host side
2017-01-09T11:22:45 < ohsix> right, hadn't seen it before
2017-01-09T11:25:18 < ohsix> one of the scopes (probably both) do lxi at the shoppe, not tried to use
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2017-01-09T11:27:15 < ohsix> https://github.com/sonium0/pyvxi11server
2017-01-09T11:27:42 < ohsix> lolwut sunrpc
2017-01-09T11:28:31 < ohsix> wow it really is rpc
2017-01-09T11:32:46 < ohsix> didn't expect that
2017-01-09T11:32:55 < ohsix> if you can find an rpcl you don't even have to do any work to write a server huhu
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2017-01-09T11:33:08 < ohsix> http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5989-6716EN.pdf
2017-01-09T11:38:10 < ohsix> oh, libvxi has one https://github.com/lxi/liblxi/blob/master/src/vxi11core.rpcl
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2017-01-09T11:42:35 < ohsix> Thorn: the c code that rpcgen generates does everything you need to do to write a server
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2017-01-09T12:19:09 < karlp> aandrew: one of the labs at uni had a bunch of pcs with ISA breakout ribbons.  3rd year embedded class was to build a "graphics card"
2017-01-09T12:20:14 < karlp> ISA is still on mobos right,just not broken out?
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2017-01-09T12:41:05 < jpa-> i don't think it is
2017-01-09T12:51:53 < Kliment> It's simulated inside some chipsets, but I don't think it's a working bus even inside the chipset
2017-01-09T12:55:46 < Fleck> nice, even hardfault with HALs BSP touch on F746-Disco :/
2017-01-09T13:03:04 < jpa-> fortunately not an odd one
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2017-01-09T13:23:23 < dongs> anything isa related has been replaced wiht LPC i think
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2017-01-09T14:35:39 < Ecco> hey
2017-01-09T14:36:02 < Ecco> What's the kind of current that's needed to drive a small piezzo speaker?
2017-01-09T14:36:15 < jpa-> not much, but it takes a lot of voltage
2017-01-09T14:36:20 < jpa-> like 20 volts
2017-01-09T14:36:42 < Ecco> oh, ok
2017-01-09T14:37:03 < Ecco> Interesting
2017-01-09T14:37:17 < Ecco> Any chance of having something remotely noticeable at 2.8V?
2017-01-09T14:38:30 < Ecco> Apparently not, a magnetic buzzer is the way to go at lower voltages
2017-01-09T14:38:37 < Ecco> takes quite a lot of current tohugh (~20mA)
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2017-01-09T14:57:43 < englishman> does that contain some stm32s flyback 
2017-01-09T14:58:57 < englishman> i dont see the point of this shit vs. a used RV that is not only cheaper but has wheels
2017-01-09T14:59:42 < englishman> if youre going to be living in poverty anyway
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2017-01-09T15:02:38 < Laurenceb_> sup
2017-01-09T15:02:56 < Laurenceb_> https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/01/09/056208/ask-slashdot-whats-the-best-job-for-this-recent-cs-grad
2017-01-09T15:03:01 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard
2017-01-09T15:05:17 < Lambda_Aurigae> I would say, managing a McDonalds is next on his list?
2017-01-09T15:05:32 < Laurenceb_> comments section is calling for epin trawl
2017-01-09T15:07:25 < karlp> englishman: I think the point is that used RVs are _not_ cheaper in aus? there's not nearly the volume of greyhairs upgrading their RV constantly, 
2017-01-09T15:07:47 < karlp> and why get all that shit if you're not actually looking at moving?
2017-01-09T15:11:20 < englishman> maybe in aus where everyone is living in them
2017-01-09T15:11:37 < englishman> but here a 20' is like $2k and 40' like $5k
2017-01-09T15:11:38 < englishman> plus delivery
2017-01-09T15:12:09 < englishman> true karlp but australia still has a lot of fap people, i guess they just stick to boating
2017-01-09T15:12:13 < englishman> *fat
2017-01-09T15:12:54 < karlp> 40' is like ~2k aus: http://www.constructionsales.com.au/buy/shipping-containers tops
2017-01-09T15:16:15 < rene-dev> englishman Hi, I was told you had some problem with dma and CPU fighting for ram access?
2017-01-09T15:16:17 < karlp> englishman: and a 70s RV is ~40k: http://www.autotrader.com.au/caravans-body/motorhome-for-sale/
2017-01-09T15:16:38 < englishman> rene-dev: hi, i ran into a DMA2 issue last week on F405 yeah
2017-01-09T15:16:56 < rene-dev> englishman what exactly was the issue?
2017-01-09T15:18:23 < englishman> rene-dev: when we had concurrent DMA2 transfers out to GPIO (ahb) and SPI1 (apb) data on SPI3 (apb, dma1) even though spi3 was using blocking transfers and isn't connected to dma2 at all
2017-01-09T15:18:31 < englishman> so it's not covered by the dma2 issue in f405 errata
2017-01-09T15:18:52 < englishman> simply phasing the GPIO and SPI1 transfers fixed the issue
2017-01-09T15:19:07 < englishman> err
2017-01-09T15:19:12 < englishman> data on SPI3 was corrupted
2017-01-09T15:19:20 < rene-dev> englishman so they dont access the ram at the same time?
2017-01-09T15:20:03 < englishman> right we started the GPIO dma transfer from the end of the SPI1 transfer. so they were never concurrent
2017-01-09T15:21:48 < karlp> heh, I didn't know (hadn't calculated) that a 40' container is 67m2.
2017-01-09T15:21:57 < karlp> my house is only 77.
2017-01-09T15:22:09 < englishman> are you seeing something similar? did not consider fighting for ram, thought it was a clock domain synchronization issue caused by dma2
2017-01-09T15:22:49 < karlp> ah no, stupid website uses m2 on on page, m3 on another
2017-01-09T15:22:53 < karlp> m3 soundsd better.
2017-01-09T15:23:55 < rene-dev> englishman Im not, but a friend is trying to bitbang a port using dma on f405
2017-01-09T15:24:15 < rene-dev> englishman and he says the dma misses data when the cpu is running
2017-01-09T15:24:20 < englishman> yeah that's exactly what our dma gpio transfers are for, ws2812b
2017-01-09T15:25:21 < englishman> if there's a concurrent dma2 transfer on apb peripheral, then it could be the erratum yeah
2017-01-09T15:25:26 < rene-dev> so my suggestion was to use sram1 or ccm for the cpu, and sram 2 or 3 for the dma, so they are on seperate busses
2017-01-09T15:27:04 < englishman> did it work?
2017-01-09T15:27:29 < englishman> is this on f405?
2017-01-09T15:28:32 < rene-dev> he tried it, and it didnt make a difference. I have not had time to try it myself. but I dont see any reason it shouldnt work. there is only one dma stream running, copying from ram to gpio. he says as soon as the cpu does anything, the dma will miss data
2017-01-09T15:29:09 < rene-dev> yes
2017-01-09T15:29:48 < rene-dev> as far as I see of the bus allocation works, the dma cannot "miss" anything, there can only ever be a delay, as long as you use less than 40% of the bandwidth
2017-01-09T15:30:30 < rene-dev> because the scheduler guarantees you 40% access time, and the dma only needs ram access in I think 3 out of 7 cycles
2017-01-09T15:31:23 < rene-dev> and there should be no issue at all, if the cpu runs from ccm or seperate sram
2017-01-09T15:32:45 < englishman> yeah, the whole point of dma2 is the cpu can keep running.
2017-01-09T15:32:56 < englishman> and any other dma at that.
2017-01-09T15:33:23 < rene-dev> exactly
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2017-01-09T15:33:55 < zyp> what sort of DMA rates are you doing that you run into bus contention against the cpu?
2017-01-09T15:33:59 < englishman> what do you mean by miss exactly, it's only transferring starting x bytes into your array etc?
2017-01-09T15:34:58 < rene-dev> he is using all the gpio can do, about 8 mhz, but says he is having the same issue down to 1 khz, which I just cant belive
2017-01-09T15:34:59 < englishman> are you reading/writing to that array via cpu while dma is transferring?
2017-01-09T15:35:04 < rene-dev> no
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2017-01-09T15:35:14 < rene-dev> disscussion is here, but its in german :/ https://gitter.im/joewa/ChibiESC
2017-01-09T15:35:27 < zyp> so what's this for anyway? ws2812b?
2017-01-09T15:35:40 < rene-dev> my guess is still that its a chibios issue :D
2017-01-09T15:36:10 < rene-dev> no, bldc motor control. he wants to do asymetrical pwm, which only the f3 and f7 timers can do, so he tries bitbanging it
2017-01-09T15:36:22 < englishman> after seeing the title of the project i immediately suspected exactly that...
2017-01-09T15:36:22 < zyp> dumb
2017-01-09T15:36:35 < rene-dev> I know, I keep telling him that :D
2017-01-09T15:36:53 < zyp> what's asym pwm?
2017-01-09T15:36:56 < zyp> how is it asym?
2017-01-09T15:37:24 < rene-dev> Im using about 8 simultaneous dma transfers on my project, and they all transfer checksummed stuff at 2-8 mhz, and Im haying no issues
2017-01-09T15:38:32 < rene-dev> think about center aligned pwm
2017-01-09T15:39:03 < rene-dev> now you move one output to any direction
2017-01-09T15:40:57 < rene-dev> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/54/0f/67/eb/47/34/45/40/DM00042534.pdf/files/DM00042534.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00042534.pdf
2017-01-09T15:40:59 < rene-dev> page 16
2017-01-09T15:41:41 < englishman> ok, motor pwm is pretty slow, so i can see that working
2017-01-09T15:42:20 < englishman> Ich hab den Übeltäter gefunden: Wenn USB disconnected ist geht es einwandfrei!!!
2017-01-09T15:42:25 < englishman> he is referring to this problem?
2017-01-09T15:43:11 < zyp> rene-dev, ah, nice
2017-01-09T15:43:13 < rene-dev> yes, apparently stuff works when he unplugs usb. I cant see how this is related to usb.
2017-01-09T15:43:19 < zyp> and only f3 and f7 can do this?
2017-01-09T15:43:54 < englishman> and L4 it appears :)
2017-01-09T15:44:01 < rene-dev> zyp only the never style timers, L4, F7, and some F3
2017-01-09T15:44:06 < zyp> how about F0/L0? they are also newer than F3
2017-01-09T15:44:14 < zyp> oh, just the F3 E?
2017-01-09T15:45:06 < rene-dev> no idea, I just need regular PWM :D
2017-01-09T15:45:10 < zyp> hmm, if only F3 E got this, I probably haven't used a new enough chip to have it
2017-01-09T15:45:19 < zyp> idk
2017-01-09T15:45:29 < englishman> usb doesn't use dma at all, right
2017-01-09T15:45:34 < englishman> so it can't be the errata
2017-01-09T15:46:26 < zyp> asymmetric pwm doesn't look super useful, it still requires the two pulses to overlap as far as I can see
2017-01-09T15:46:56 < zyp> if I'm reading it right, it's just combining channel pairs, using one channel setting for upcounting and one channel setting for downcounting
2017-01-09T15:49:29 < rene-dev> its useful when you want to do current measurement magic :D
2017-01-09T15:51:10 < englishman> measuring shoot-thru current that is? :)
2017-01-09T15:51:26 < rene-dev> no, phase current using single shunt
2017-01-09T15:51:26 < rene-dev> http://www.nxp.com/assets/documents/data/en/reference-manuals/DRM102.pdf
2017-01-09T15:51:29 < rene-dev> page 49
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2017-01-09T17:38:47 < rcc> so... what's a desktop environment in linux these days?
2017-01-09T17:39:38 < rcc> I have Mate, but whenever I boot it up, it feels like 1997
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2017-01-09T17:40:18 < aandrew> XFCE or bust
2017-01-09T17:40:38 < Thorn> bash or zsh over ssh
2017-01-09T17:40:53 < jadew> wasn't XFCE super stripped down? I used to use it a couple of years back
2017-01-09T17:40:54 < Thorn> plus tmux
2017-01-09T17:41:00 < aandrew> well yes, ssh/screen is essential
2017-01-09T17:41:03 < aandrew> irssi for IRC
2017-01-09T17:41:47 < jadew> I want it to be cute
2017-01-09T17:41:50 < jadew> like windows
2017-01-09T17:42:15 < aandrew> FVWM95 then :-)
2017-01-09T17:42:34 < jadew> haha
2017-01-09T17:42:39 < jadew> that sure looks good
2017-01-09T17:43:35 < jadew> is that plasma desktop any good?
2017-01-09T17:43:48 < jadew> it looks polished
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2017-01-09T17:50:28 < joewa> Hi @englishman
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2017-01-09T17:52:26 < joewa> I have weird issue that USB is disturbing my DMA2-transactions
2017-01-09T17:52:58 < joewa> which rene-dev described recently
2017-01-09T17:56:09 < joewa> This is similar to what is described here: https://vjordan.info/log/fpga/stm32-bare-metal-start-up-and-real-bit-banging-speed.html (see the last part of the article and my post at the bottom)
2017-01-09T17:57:09 < joewa> Just wanted to check if you have an idea about that - before blaming ChibiOS for that
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2017-01-09T17:58:19 < jadew> this is a huge improvement
2017-01-09T17:58:36 < jadew> I updated my packages and the system is still working
2017-01-09T17:59:08 < jadew> hexchat still doesn't remember ANY settings tho
2017-01-09T17:59:40 < jadew> but I never learn, I still untick that "Always show this message when you start HexChat" checkbox
2017-01-09T18:00:06 < dongs> lunix GUIs are a fucking disaster
2017-01-09T18:00:08 < gjm> read only config file?
2017-01-09T18:00:19 < dongs> and labels/text in them is usually awful too
2017-01-09T18:00:32 < dongs> shit like "are you sure you don't want to delete this files yes/no"
2017-01-09T18:00:43 < jadew> haha
2017-01-09T18:01:02 < dongs> let's get started on GTK file browse dialog
2017-01-09T18:01:04 < dongs> holy fuck
2017-01-09T18:01:24 < englishman> what do you expect from hobbyists in their spare time vs. 40,000 paid professional programmers, graphic artists and UI/UX designers
2017-01-09T18:01:40 < jadew> englishman, to copy what works :)
2017-01-09T18:01:49 < englishman> clearly asking too much
2017-01-09T18:03:41 < jadew> for example, tabs in the caption bar
2017-01-09T18:04:06 < jadew> so many years after that breakthrough, and you still can't do it in linux
2017-01-09T18:04:16 < karlp> what's the caption bar?
2017-01-09T18:04:26 < jadew> karlp, the title bar
2017-01-09T18:05:23 < jadew> I noticed chrome tries to do it, by not using the native border or windows, but that results in it working worse than it normally does
2017-01-09T18:05:43 < jadew> not erasing properly and other oddities
2017-01-09T18:05:56 < englishman> joewa: yeah, those examples are working in many places including F405, i'd be quite quick to blame chibios
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2017-01-09T19:19:20 < dongs>  < jadew> for example, tabs in the caption bar
2017-01-09T19:19:21 < dongs> waht
2017-01-09T19:19:23 < dongs> the fuck is that?
2017-01-09T19:19:29 < dongs> you mean the retarded shit chrome/faggotfox are doing?
2017-01-09T19:19:43 < dongs> fuck tabs in general
2017-01-09T19:19:49 < dongs> i have a window manager, it manages windows
2017-01-09T19:19:53 < dongs> i know how to switch between them
2017-01-09T19:19:55 < dongs> tile them
2017-01-09T19:19:58 < dongs> list them in taskmanager etc
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2017-01-09T19:20:16 < dongs> i dont need every retarded piece of opensores shit doing thier own window management inside their app
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2017-01-09T19:24:32 < joewa> @englishman: Just blamed ChibiOS too... http://www.chibios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3790 
2017-01-09T19:34:27 < jpa-> joewa: is the dma transfer continuous or are you using interrupts to setup new dma after previous ends?
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2017-01-09T19:45:38 < joewa> jpa: DMA transfer is triggered through Timer-Update-Events (UDE). So no interrupts there.
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2017-01-09T19:50:34 < jpa-> joewa: so it is one long DMA transfer and not multiple small ones?
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2017-01-09T19:51:21 < jpa-> is the usb code perhaps using GPIOA also? if it does read-modify-write, it could cause the state change to be lost
2017-01-09T19:52:44 < jpa-> you could also try tracing the code (ETM trace) to see what exactly it is doing at the moment when it fails
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2017-01-09T19:53:10 < joewa> jpa: No, its multiple small ones. The UDE comes e.g. at 7.2MHz. Then 32Bit are transferred. Reducing the frequency didn't help.
2017-01-09T19:59:33 < jpa-> joewa: so what setups the new transfer?
2017-01-09T19:59:48 < jpa-> perhaps the delay is between the previous transfer ends and the new one begins?
2017-01-09T20:00:41 < jpa-> (here by "DMA transfer" i mean the amount of words that is configured in DMA NDTR)
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2017-01-09T20:25:52 < jadew> 1.4 or 1.5 scaling? http://imgur.com/a/ImYNQ
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2017-01-09T20:41:40 < upgrdman> jadew, what program is that?
2017-01-09T20:42:30 < jadew> upgrdman: some settings program in KDE
2017-01-09T20:42:44 < jadew> and the system seems to respect those ratios
2017-01-09T20:42:57 < jadew> so 1.4 can't be read and 1.5 is huge
2017-01-09T20:44:07 < upgrdman> so 1.6 1.7 etc have any noticeable changes?
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2017-01-09T20:44:30 < upgrdman> maybe they're like int scalingFactor = Math.round(userSetting);
2017-01-09T20:44:59 < jadew> upgrdman: I can't tell
2017-01-09T20:45:14 < jadew> the difference is very small even in what that program shows
2017-01-09T20:46:25 < upgrdman> some programs in windows only decent decent with integer scaling factors. so kde might be equally stupid
2017-01-09T20:46:34 < upgrdman> *look decent
2017-01-09T20:47:48 < jadew> I'll try to do it via xinit
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2017-01-09T20:48:57 < jadew> brb
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2017-01-09T20:58:18 < jadew> success!
2017-01-09T20:58:33 < jadew> and it only took a day
2017-01-09T20:59:49 < jpa-> i usually just change font size and not the global scaling factor
2017-01-09T21:00:20 < jadew> jpa-: yeah, but that made it look weird
2017-01-09T21:00:42 < jadew> if the difference is too much the other UI elements will be too small for the text
2017-01-09T21:00:50 < jpa-> yeah
2017-01-09T21:01:27 < jadew> unsurprisingly, FF resists the change lol
2017-01-09T21:01:59 < BrainDamage> FF reimplements the ui widgets with xul
2017-01-09T21:02:30 < jadew> BrainDamage: and it ignores DPI settings?
2017-01-09T21:02:32 < BrainDamage> that's where its ability to customize comes from and it's why it has 0 integration with the system
2017-01-09T21:02:54 < jadew> well, I'll check chrome
2017-01-09T21:02:56 < BrainDamage> that's QT widget settings, it's not some universal dpi settings
2017-01-09T21:03:01 < BrainDamage> chrome does the same fwiw
2017-01-09T21:03:29 < BrainDamage> except it puts some efforts to read some gtk settings on loonix and wpf on windows
2017-01-09T21:04:14 < BrainDamage> in fact I have(had? I think they removed it recently) to use --force-device-scale-factor=1 or everything would look like shit
2017-01-09T21:04:41 < BrainDamage> because I have "hidpi" or whatever chrome thinks it's that
2017-01-09T21:05:56 < jadew> wow, it works awesome in KDE
2017-01-09T21:06:01 < jadew> worked like shit in Mate
2017-01-09T21:06:15 < jadew> and has tabs in the titlebar!
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2017-01-10T00:03:38 < Emilgardis> konversation ftw
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2017-01-10T02:06:48 < stvn> prepare for total meltdown
2017-01-10T02:10:43 < upgrdman> anyone know what kind of microphone the cheap pc headphone jack kind is? a variable capacitor?
2017-01-10T02:11:05 < upgrdman> like can i just ac-couple it to a voltage divider, then to an op amp?
2017-01-10T02:12:24 < upgrdman> i did
2017-01-10T02:12:26 < upgrdman> like
2017-01-10T02:12:46 < upgrdman> this gay shit  http://www.promo-wholesale.com/Upfiles/Prod_r/Jwin-PC-Microphone_20090763410.jpg
2017-01-10T02:14:19 < stvn> lol
2017-01-10T02:16:31 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, know of an easy way to get like 0-3v3 signal from it? circuit i mentioned might work?
2017-01-10T02:17:18 < stvn> you know you're in the shit when you ask LeelooMinai how to do it
2017-01-10T02:17:51 < upgrdman> stvn, mhmm
2017-01-10T02:18:03 < stvn> o/
2017-01-10T02:21:27 < upgrdman> wtf do those gain op amp pins do
2017-01-10T02:21:49 < upgrdman> some weird audio op amp that doesnt use niggerative feedback?
2017-01-10T02:22:02 < stvn> ?
2017-01-10T02:22:11 < upgrdman> http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/images/Microphone-LM386-amplifier-circuit.png
2017-01-10T02:22:23 < upgrdman> pins 1 and 8 and supposedly "gain"
2017-01-10T02:22:27 < stvn> ok
2017-01-10T02:22:30 < stvn> lm386
2017-01-10T02:22:36 < stvn> the power op amp
2017-01-10T02:23:10 < stvn> rofl at arduino mentioned on schematic
2017-01-10T02:23:16 < stvn> that throws any credibility out the door
2017-01-10T02:24:31 < stvn> datasheet will clear it up
2017-01-10T02:25:06 < upgrdman> but like why not just mic -> cap -> voltage divier -> op amp positive input. then negative feedback to set gain.
2017-01-10T02:25:25 < stvn> ask whoever designed the lm386
2017-01-10T02:25:31 < upgrdman> is this some audiophile shit im supposed to know
2017-01-10T02:25:37 < stvn> nuh
2017-01-10T02:25:43 < stvn> just how the IC is designed
2017-01-10T02:26:09 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, well the thing is i have other op amps. no lm386's tho
2017-01-10T02:26:16 < upgrdman> so i cant use that exact circuit
2017-01-10T02:26:54 < upgrdman> k
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2017-01-10T02:42:00 < stvn> broken pipe lol
2017-01-10T02:42:54 < upgrdman> ? me?
2017-01-10T02:42:59 < stvn> irc
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2017-01-10T03:11:38 < emeb> haha - lm386 & "audiophile" 
2017-01-10T03:22:09 < ds2> it is a "fine" amp
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2017-01-10T03:25:53 < upgrdman> ya its just some shit $20 sony lapelle shit
2017-01-10T03:25:56 < upgrdman> sounds like ASS
2017-01-10T03:26:08 < upgrdman> i should buy some pro shit for my pro vlogging
2017-01-10T03:26:48 < upgrdman> i only bought it because i had a gift card to WorstBuy for just that amount
2017-01-10T03:28:51 < upgrdman> ya my ardutard following prolly wont sponsor that
2017-01-10T03:29:13 < upgrdman> this is the shit i have  http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-omnidirectional-condenser-microphone-silver/4820722.p?skuId=4820722
2017-01-10T03:29:32 < upgrdman> i wonder if theres some android app so i can use my cell phone as a microphone
2017-01-10T03:29:37 < upgrdman> my note5 sounds quite nice
2017-01-10T03:30:03 < upgrdman> i could just stick it in my shit pocket, ass up
2017-01-10T03:30:07 < upgrdman> shirt*
2017-01-10T03:31:10 < upgrdman> honestly the mic in my phone sounds great when i record videos with my phone.
2017-01-10T03:31:21 < upgrdman> just wish i could tether my phone to my pc and use it as a mic
2017-01-10T03:31:39 < upgrdman> i dont wanna just use a voice recorder app + manually sync shit up while editing
2017-01-10T03:34:13 < upgrdman> hmmm   https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wo.voice&hl=en
2017-01-10T03:36:37 < upgrdman> heh even simpler. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.bitplane.android.microphone&hl=en
2017-01-10T03:36:51 < upgrdman> just that + headphone <-> headphone cable to pc
2017-01-10T03:37:03 < upgrdman> which i think i have or can make from adapters
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2017-01-10T03:38:09 < upgrdman> says a small delay. should be fine for screencasting tho
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2017-01-10T03:44:09 < upgrdman> "Yahoo will be renamed “Altaba” and company CEO Marissa Mayer will step down from its board of directors once its major sale to Verizon closes, according to an 8-K filing released by Yahoo earlier today."
2017-01-10T03:44:14 < upgrdman> wtf kind of name is Altaba
2017-01-10T03:45:18 < Lambda_Aurigae> verizon still going through with it?
2017-01-10T03:50:07 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/6RR0jLT
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2017-01-10T04:59:18 < englishman> holy shit Mayer finally got the axe?
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2017-01-10T05:12:59 < emeb> no kidding?
2017-01-10T05:13:56 < emeb> eh - sold to Verizon, renamed "Altaba" and someone grabs the golden parachute.
2017-01-10T05:14:02 < emeb> sounds like a win to me.
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2017-01-10T05:32:17 < upgrdman> ohsix, my cleaning jizz gel arrived. works decently. it pulls apart kinda easy though, so it can leave shitz if youre not careful.
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2017-01-10T05:38:50 < stvn> upgrdman, where did it cum from?
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2017-01-10T05:50:58 < upgrdman> stvn, http://www.ebay.com/itm/191989331132
2017-01-10T05:51:11 < upgrdman> heh, they raised the price too. i paid $0.99 for mine
2017-01-10T05:51:31 < englishman> emeb: verizon didn't even buy the valuable parts of the company
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2017-01-10T06:00:15 < stvn> (:
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2017-01-10T06:59:39 < upgrdman> how to gym   http://i.imgur.com/iUBt78N.gifv
2017-01-10T07:03:41 < ReadErr>  https://twitter.com/KBAndersen/status/818606503963795456
2017-01-10T07:03:49 < ReadErr> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/818419002548568064
2017-01-10T07:03:54 < ReadErr> kekeke
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2017-01-10T07:09:28 < ReadErr> no no, he said we will all have more money than we know what to do with
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2017-01-10T07:12:17 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eWcqkVMR/lolamazon.png
2017-01-10T07:12:35 < ReadErr> when amazon decides to mail a bunch of 5$ things separate and they all come the same day lol
2017-01-10T07:13:18 < ReadErr> I got a sweet mail carrier thing tho
2017-01-10T07:15:16 < stvn> suddenly senpai
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2017-01-10T07:32:58 < stvn> operation jackoff
2017-01-10T07:33:19 < dongs> stm32
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2017-01-10T07:45:42 < stvn> correct.
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2017-01-10T08:27:28 < dongs> https://www.dimple.io/ wtf ios this
2017-01-10T08:29:11 < ReadErr> NFC buttons
2017-01-10T08:29:18 < dongs> i can read
2017-01-10T08:31:34 < dongs> 5 human hairs stacked ont op of eache other
2017-01-10T08:31:38 < dongs> micrometer shows 0.49mm
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2017-01-10T08:32:23 < ReadErr> how the hell could you stack 5 hairs
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2017-01-10T08:59:19 < ReadErr> dongs: https://friezy.ru/en/di
2017-01-10T08:59:30 < ReadErr> free di.fm premium playlist 
2017-01-10T08:59:31 < ReadErr> links
2017-01-10T09:00:51 < dongs> why teh fuck would i care? i already pay for them
2017-01-10T09:01:04 < ReadErr> ah
2017-01-10T09:01:31 < dongs> also pretty sure the hashes are unique per account
2017-01-10T09:01:43 < dongs> so they can probly just trash the ones that are getting too many connections from random places
2017-01-10T09:02:10 < dongs> http://prem3.di.fm:80/goapsy_hi?blabhalblah < this shit here
2017-01-10T09:02:29 < ReadErr> ah maybe ya
2017-01-10T09:02:33 < ReadErr> its working tho
2017-01-10T09:02:51 < dongs> well im sure it does
2017-01-10T09:02:55 < dongs> they dont acutally have a lot of users
2017-01-10T09:03:05 < dongs> i think i looked at their server stats it was like 50-90 people per server lol
2017-01-10T09:03:39 < ReadErr> here i was listening to all these lame ads 
2017-01-10T09:04:20 < dongs> ive been paying for so long i dont evne know what ads they run now
2017-01-10T09:04:24 < dongs> are tehy terrible
2017-01-10T09:04:30 < ReadErr> fucking horrible
2017-01-10T09:04:34 < ReadErr> like 3 ads ever few songs
2017-01-10T09:04:40 < dongs> wow, it got worse then
2017-01-10T09:04:49 < dongs> it was like 1 per hour or something when I signed up
2017-01-10T09:05:27 < ReadErr> same ads over and over too lol
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2017-01-10T09:06:35 < dongs> yeah that has been a problem but it wwas never that many in a row that i remember
2017-01-10T09:06:45 < dongs> they only had liek 1-2 ads in rotation
2017-01-10T09:06:53 < dongs> one of htem was di.fm is hiring
2017-01-10T09:06:55 < dongs> thats  the one I remember
2017-01-10T09:07:49 < Thorn> why absolutely no google hits on using si4463 to transmit audio
2017-01-10T09:07:58 < ReadErr> wonder if their mobile app got better
2017-01-10T09:08:03 < ReadErr> it was bad a year or so ago
2017-01-10T09:08:32 < dongs> Thorn: .. probably cuz not insane
2017-01-10T09:08:53 < dongs> i dont understand, what "audio" do you expect to transmit?
2017-01-10T09:08:56 < dongs> its a digital modem
2017-01-10T09:09:03 < Thorn> digital audio
2017-01-10T09:09:10 < dongs> at waht bitrates? isnt this thing awful
2017-01-10T09:09:26 < dongs> 850khz channel bandwidth
2017-01-10T09:09:27 < Thorn> 44/16
2017-01-10T09:09:28 < dongs> max
2017-01-10T09:09:31 < dongs> um, fuck off?
2017-01-10T09:09:39 < dongs> uncompressed?
2017-01-10T09:09:47 < dongs> thats 1.5mbit, you know right?
2017-01-10T09:09:51 < dongs> this thing is in low kbps bandwidth
2017-01-10T09:10:11 < Thorn> well docs say up to 1Mbps
2017-01-10T09:10:30 < Thorn> and I can at least ADPCM
2017-01-10T09:10:48 < Thorn> maybe more than that
2017-01-10T09:10:57 < dongs> i'd say G729that shit into 64kbit and just do it?
2017-01-10T09:11:05 < dongs> add some FEC if signal is trash.
2017-01-10T09:11:17 < dongs> er G729 should be lower than 64
2017-01-10T09:11:34 < dongs> yeah 8k
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2017-01-10T09:13:28 < Thorn> need reasonably high quality
2017-01-10T09:13:40 < dongs> anyway uh... lets say you do wanna do that crazy thing and whatever can acutally confirm you are getting 1mbps link speed, just do it?
2017-01-10T09:13:47 < dongs> send whatever bitstream and parse it 
2017-01-10T09:14:30 < Thorn> well for example nrf24l01+ can't tx for over 8ms or so because its PLL goes out of sync
2017-01-10T09:14:57 < Thorn> lots of possible hidden problems
2017-01-10T09:15:27 < dongs> it sounds like you're trying to use wrong tools for hte job, honestly
2017-01-10T09:15:38 < dongs> all these GFSP/BPSK shits are useless for continous transmission
2017-01-10T09:15:48 < dongs> at high rates
2017-01-10T09:16:25 < dongs> http://www.hides.com.tw/product_IC_eng.html
2017-01-10T09:16:27 < Thorn> what is the right tool?
2017-01-10T09:16:31 < dongs> ^ this shit
2017-01-10T09:16:35 < dongs> would work to do what you want
2017-01-10T09:16:55 < dongs> IT9560 
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2017-01-10T09:41:24 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice
2017-01-10T09:41:31 < ohsix> oloolol i had a slip to sign for a package
2017-01-10T09:42:00 < ohsix> i thought it was gps guy trying to bribe me, and he wanted to know when it was signed for
2017-01-10T09:42:26 < ohsix> but it was a 'thickness tester', and from taiwan, aaand local guy mismarked slip about it being registered
2017-01-10T09:42:38 < ReadErr> ugh registered international sux
2017-01-10T09:42:42 < ohsix> it was just 40x 25mm inspection loupe
2017-01-10T09:42:45 < ReadErr> epacket > *
2017-01-10T09:43:20 < ohsix> dunno if it was a mistake further up, or if taiwan and the description got attention
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2017-01-10T09:47:28 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Telemetry-board/ wat
2017-01-10T09:48:29 < ReadErr> pascal lol
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2017-01-10T09:48:51 < dongs> pretty sure mentioning gigabit port automatically adds $2k to the project if aandrew was doing it
2017-01-10T09:49:27 < dongs> doesnt sound liek tehy need gigabit port anyway
2017-01-10T09:49:27 < ReadErr> The job consists in development of the electronic circuit, PCB and software.
2017-01-10T09:49:32 < ReadErr> for 750$ gtfo
2017-01-10T09:49:38 < dongs> yeah, like turnkey shit liek that for 750 fuck off
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2017-01-10T09:49:54 < ReadErr> can you see what the bids are?
2017-01-10T09:49:56 < dongs> i'd charg them 750 to doubleclick keil.exe and copypaste my template project for F4 + ethernet
2017-01-10T09:50:15 < dongs> a couple pakis bid 2000, one 2500, the rest are all 700 or below
2017-01-10T09:50:26 < dongs> thre'sa guy who bid $250
2017-01-10T09:50:27 < dongs> lol
2017-01-10T09:50:31 < dongs> WITH ACUTAL REVIEWS
2017-01-10T09:50:35 < ReadErr> woh
2017-01-10T09:51:13 < dongs> bookmarking it
2017-01-10T09:51:28 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/create-prototype-without-the-engineering/
2017-01-10T09:51:33 < dongs> kickstarter detected
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2017-01-10T09:57:09 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-LED-MUSICA/ audioritmicas, nigga do you know wit
2017-01-10T09:58:32 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Design-Electonic-PCB/ haha vapist hired paki
2017-01-10T09:58:40 < dongs> wait not he didnt
2017-01-10T09:58:44 < dongs> he was just the top bidder
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2017-01-10T10:07:09 < ReadErr> lol shit idea
2017-01-10T10:08:01 < dongs> shit idea? thats the least of hte problems with that idea
2017-01-10T10:08:35 < ReadErr> i dont even see how that would work
2017-01-10T10:08:48 < ReadErr> not at any usable rate
2017-01-10T10:09:00 < dongs> it doesnt how the shit do you 'adjust resistance of coil with a pot"
2017-01-10T10:09:29 < ReadErr> oh didnt notice that lol
2017-01-10T10:09:42 < ReadErr> i just read supercap + usb + 500mA
2017-01-10T10:09:44 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_ignorance_fallacy
2017-01-10T10:09:58 < dongs> typical idea coming from a stoner mind
2017-01-10T10:10:45 < ReadErr> not to mention who the fuck wants to vape off their phone
2017-01-10T10:10:53 < ReadErr> and 2Gb storage? lewl
2017-01-10T10:11:00 < dongs> maybe note7 users
2017-01-10T10:12:03 < ReadErr> got in an argument w/ incog the other day about how hard it is to blow up lipos
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2017-01-10T10:14:13 < ReadErr> nah its really hard to get an explosion 
2017-01-10T10:14:21 < ReadErr> small flames and smoke is easy
2017-01-10T10:14:52 < ohsix> they have to keep their integrity to explode
2017-01-10T10:15:40 < dongs> would you vape lipo smoke
2017-01-10T10:16:08 < ReadErr> sure someone would if you told them it got you high
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2017-01-10T10:39:16 < jadew> linux is crazy!
2017-01-10T10:39:23 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/xPwXG
2017-01-10T10:39:47 < jadew> chrome, when maximized has no minimize / restore / close
2017-01-10T10:39:57 < jadew> my desktop gained a fucking scrollbar
2017-01-10T10:40:25 < jadew> and my global shortcut to launch the file browser doesn't work
2017-01-10T10:40:39 < dongs> why the shit are you even trying?
2017-01-10T10:40:41 < dongs> dont you have a fucking job
2017-01-10T10:40:43 < ReadErr> sounds like a problem with ur WM
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2017-01-10T10:40:59 < jadew> dongs: I want to use something that's only available for linux
2017-01-10T10:41:05 < jadew> for a little side project I'm doing
2017-01-10T10:41:06 < dongs> then run it in a fucking bvm
2017-01-10T10:41:07 < dongs> vm
2017-01-10T10:41:28 < ReadErr> ya just install ubuntu in a VM
2017-01-10T10:41:31 < jadew> I tried that, but I need some stuff in my IDE
2017-01-10T10:41:41 < jadew> and I don't want to run the IDE in a VM
2017-01-10T10:41:48 < ReadErr> huh works 100% fine
2017-01-10T10:42:01 < dongs> surely dicklipse works in VM
2017-01-10T10:42:03 < dongs> just fine
2017-01-10T10:42:05 < dongs> unless your system is garbagfe
2017-01-10T10:42:12 < dongs> like core1solo with 2gb ram
2017-01-10T10:42:14 < dongs> then of course
2017-01-10T10:42:24 < ReadErr> its the only way ive used eclipse
2017-01-10T10:42:40 < ReadErr> and altium and solidworks etc 
2017-01-10T10:42:42 < ReadErr> get with the times
2017-01-10T10:42:43 < jadew> yeah, I can't run it in the context of the host OS, right?
2017-01-10T10:42:52 < ReadErr> in context?
2017-01-10T10:43:11 < dongs> jadew: for what?
2017-01-10T10:43:19 < jadew> for example for a windows VM I can start applications from the host windows and they look like they belong
2017-01-10T10:43:28 < jadew> I don't have to run them from inside the VM window
2017-01-10T10:43:31 < ReadErr> yea theres some mode for that
2017-01-10T10:43:31 < dongs> yeah the unity shit, does lunix garbage not support  this?
2017-01-10T10:44:19 < ReadErr> unity sucks 
2017-01-10T10:44:20 < jadew> I don't know if linux supports this with other linux, but I need it to work with the "windows hosts linux" scenario - that's what you were proposing, no?
2017-01-10T10:44:43 < ReadErr> jadew: what are you trying to do
2017-01-10T10:44:53 < ReadErr> 99% of things will work fine in a vm now
2017-01-10T10:44:57 < dongs> just lunix trash in VM fullscreen on second monitor
2017-01-10T10:45:03 < dongs> and multitask wiht other trash on the 1st one
2017-01-10T10:45:06 < dongs> what the fuck is the problem
2017-01-10T10:45:07 < jadew> dongs: yeah, I'm not happy with that
2017-01-10T10:45:11 < dongs> why the shit not?
2017-01-10T10:45:16 < dongs> mouse moves in/out, what else do you want
2017-01-10T10:45:17 < ReadErr> and runnin a linux desktop is a better option?
2017-01-10T10:45:17 < jadew> I move my windows all the times
2017-01-10T10:45:17 < ReadErr> gtfo
2017-01-10T10:45:18 < dongs> even copypaste works
2017-01-10T10:45:24 < dongs> if you install that vmware tools trash
2017-01-10T10:45:27 < dongs> on wahtever supported lunix shit
2017-01-10T10:45:34 < ReadErr> you can throw it on a dedicated monitor 
2017-01-10T10:45:42 < ReadErr> or 2 
2017-01-10T10:46:00 < jadew> don't know, it would end up being annoying, alt+tab wouldn't work
2017-01-10T10:46:19 < ReadErr> you are cutting off your nose to spite your face
2017-01-10T10:46:27 < dongs> why teh shit wouldnt it work????
2017-01-10T10:46:31 < dongs> mouse into the shit and alt-tab
2017-01-10T10:46:40 < ReadErr> you can alt tab in the vm 
2017-01-10T10:46:46 < dongs> also thats why its on ANOTHER MONITOR
2017-01-10T10:46:51 < jadew> dongs, I mean that I wouldn't be able to alt tab from the IDE inside the VM to shit from my OS
2017-01-10T10:46:55 < dongs> the shit is already there, you just move your mouse to useit 
2017-01-10T10:47:02 < dongs> why would you need to
2017-01-10T10:47:08 < dongs> and even then you still can
2017-01-10T10:47:12 < jadew> don't know, to swtich to other stuff
2017-01-10T10:47:18 < dongs> ctrl-alt-release-alt-tab, done
2017-01-10T10:47:19 < ReadErr> sounds like u confuse
2017-01-10T10:47:30 < ReadErr> or not tried
2017-01-10T10:47:37 < jadew> dongs: that could be an option
2017-01-10T10:47:51 < dongs> its not that hard
2017-01-10T10:48:55 < ReadErr> i like how just having a full lunix desktop is somehow a better option lol
2017-01-10T10:48:59 < dongs> crtl-alt-alt-tab to swsitch from focus inside vm, alt-tab to vm , ctrl_g to focus bu wahtever
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2017-01-10T10:54:44 < ReadErr> the sharing stuff in workstation pro works great too
2017-01-10T10:54:49 < ReadErr> im running a lunix vm over wifi 
2017-01-10T10:54:58 < ReadErr> and its seamless, way better than vnc
2017-01-10T10:56:01 < dongs> thats funny considering its literally using vnc
2017-01-10T10:56:17 < ReadErr> eh yea but it has some optimizations and other shit
2017-01-10T10:56:30 < ReadErr> like if i resize the display it changes the desktop res
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2017-01-10T10:57:02 < ReadErr> and usb passthrough etc 
2017-01-10T10:57:53 < jadew> LeelooMinai: on the linux OS?
2017-01-10T10:58:02 < jadew> like.. why I need it?
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2017-01-10T10:58:50 < dongs> JadEW, what the fuck is your "side project" does it have something to do with "leloominai"
2017-01-10T10:59:52 < jadew> it's a little site and I don't want to use plain PHP for it
2017-01-10T11:00:10 < jadew> I want to give Hack a try (typed version of PHP which compiles to binaries)
2017-01-10T11:00:21 < Fleck> ReadErr: ohh, you are a huge suckup too lol good job man! One proud dongs fanboy? :p
2017-01-10T11:00:25 < dongs> might as well just write cgi in C
2017-01-10T11:00:26 < ohsix> jadew: kde? heheheh
2017-01-10T11:00:35 < ReadErr> Fleck: wat
2017-01-10T11:00:35 < jadew> dongs: heh
2017-01-10T11:00:46 < ReadErr> Ive been using vms forever
2017-01-10T11:00:56 < Fleck> what what... suck up... google up :P
2017-01-10T11:01:18 < jadew> LeelooMinai: got an example?
2017-01-10T11:01:31 < ReadErr> Fleck: I make a living off lunix, doesnt mean I would install it as a desktop ever
2017-01-10T11:01:37 < ReadErr> except cnc 
2017-01-10T11:02:01 < Fleck> doesn't matter, you are still cheap suckup!
2017-01-10T11:02:08 < jadew> the problem is that Hack generates some type information and warnings, but only works on linux
2017-01-10T11:02:13 < ReadErr> if you insist 
2017-01-10T11:02:22 < jadew> so I can't take advantage of that from windows
2017-01-10T11:02:32 < jadew> and that's what sent me off on the current linux adventure
2017-01-10T11:02:36 < ReadErr> OSX > Linux
2017-01-10T11:03:13 < ohsix> i use lunix full time
2017-01-10T11:03:17 < dongs> http://dirtypcbs.com/store/pcbs/about 
2017-01-10T11:03:18 < dongs> Readme.txt & special instructions
2017-01-10T11:03:18 < dongs> Get the hell out of here. We are an automated conduit to cheap local Chinese fabs. We don't read squat, and at these prices you'd be insane to think we do! Nobody at the board house even speaks English! You need a much more expensive board house if you need this level of service.
2017-01-10T11:03:21 < dongs> lol
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2017-01-10T11:04:17 < ohsix> jadew: kde acts like a thing people don't expect to work great, ever
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2017-01-10T11:04:57 < ReadErr> gnome-classic > kde
2017-01-10T11:05:24 < ohsix> shell has dampened my hoarding a bit
2017-01-10T11:05:25 < dongs> windows XP > any lunix trash
2017-01-10T11:05:38 < ohsix> organize pdfs instead of keeping them open to read later
2017-01-10T11:05:39 < jadew> LeelooMinai: it looks nice
2017-01-10T11:05:47 < ReadErr> i quite like the UBUNTU FOR WIN10 addon 
2017-01-10T11:06:16 < jadew> LeelooMinai: how many of the registers did you convert? :)
2017-01-10T11:07:48 < dongs> jadew: for example Im currently running cubemx in a Windows 7 VM
2017-01-10T11:07:51 < dongs> fullscreen on my 2nd monitor
2017-01-10T11:07:56 < dongs> switching between that and altidumb
2017-01-10T11:07:58 < dongs> to match pins
2017-01-10T11:07:59 < dongs> no problems
2017-01-10T11:08:09 < dongs> I think you're just creating solutions for problems that dont exist
2017-01-10T11:08:24 < jadew> dongs: on windows you can have it work as if it runs on the host machine
2017-01-10T11:08:31 < dongs> yeah but I dont need that
2017-01-10T11:09:58 < ReadErr> jadew: hun, http://notesofaprogrammer.blogspot.com/2014/09/ubuntu-1404-trust-and-vmware-unity-mode.html
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2017-01-10T11:10:41 < dongs> need to find a fucking F30x/40x pin compatbitility thingy
2017-01-10T11:11:03 < dongs> hm no. cuz im using irtim so im fucked with 30x
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2017-01-10T11:13:17 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-10T11:13:27 < jadew> there's nothing stoping you from using them tho :P
2017-01-10T11:15:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai: no, you could just ignore the warnings, but I'm kidding
2017-01-10T11:15:29 < jadew> I don't know how conflicts would be handled, if they ever decide to use those suffixes
2017-01-10T11:16:00 < jadew> yeah, from chrono
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2017-01-10T11:20:56 < ReadErr> jadew: did u see my link?
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2017-01-10T11:31:08 < jadew> ReadErr: yeah, is that like what I've been describing?
2017-01-10T11:31:17 < ReadErr> unity mode, yes
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2017-01-10T11:35:42 < dongs> does that work for LUNIX guests lol
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2017-01-10T11:37:20 < metRo_> Hello, how can I reset a CCR register?
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2017-01-10T11:37:38 < dongs> by writing to it?
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2017-01-10T11:37:45 < dongs> could you be any less specific?
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2017-01-10T11:37:50 < metRo_> I tried TIM2->CCR2 but it keeps the last value
2017-01-10T11:37:50 < metRo_> :s
2017-01-10T11:38:08 < metRo_> TIM2->CCR2 = 0;
2017-01-10T11:38:15 < dongs> is it configured for input capture or output compare?
2017-01-10T11:38:19 < dongs> also ytou need to enable ARR
2017-01-10T11:38:22 < metRo_> input capture
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2017-01-10T11:38:35 < dongs> .. input capture what do you expect to write to it?
2017-01-10T11:38:41 < dongs> input capture will have the value IN it
2017-01-10T11:38:45 < dongs> of whenver the shit was captured
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2017-01-10T11:39:04 < metRo_> I'm using it with a ultrasonic sensor
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2017-01-10T11:39:12 < dongs> yeah so?
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2017-01-10T11:39:18 < metRo_> and I want to detect when the sensor isn't connected
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2017-01-10T11:39:28 < metRo_> so I want to reset the value after each reading
2017-01-10T11:39:30 < dongs> then you wont have pulses
2017-01-10T11:39:32 < dongs> no you dont
2017-01-10T11:39:36 < dongs> reading is what sets teh value
2017-01-10T11:40:00 < dongs> if theres no reading and you get ovreflow/update interrupt that means nothing happened in the timer period
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2017-01-10T11:40:21 < metRo_> dongs: for some reason TIM2->CCR2 is keeping the last value
2017-01-10T11:40:36 < metRo_> LeelooMinai: I'll take a look
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2017-01-10T11:47:32 < metRo_> LeelooMinai: it looks like I can't write to it at all: Select the active input: TIMx_CCR1 must be linked to the TI1 input, so write the CC1S bits to 01 in the TIMx_CCMR1 register. As soon as CC1S becomes different from 00, the channel is configured in input and the TIMx_CCR1 register becomes read-only
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2017-01-10T11:49:07 < dongs> i told you this
2017-01-10T11:49:15 < dongs> its read fucking only in input capture
2017-01-10T11:49:25 < dongs> the point is y ou're not getting capture interrupts or getting overflow interrupts wihtout capture
2017-01-10T11:49:36 < dongs> thats your sign shit isnt reciving pulses
2017-01-10T11:50:04 < dongs> depending on how fast your pulses are you can switch capture polarity in IRQ or just use CC1/CC2 for rising/falling capture
2017-01-10T11:50:20 < dongs> for fucking sure there's a shitton of reference of how to capture a fucking ultrasonic shit with STM32
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2017-01-10T11:50:28 < dongs> cant be rocket science, fuck you can probly evne use EXTI for it
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2017-01-10T11:55:20 < metRo_> lool
2017-01-10T11:55:54 < metRo_> I have it working and reading 8 ultrasonic sensors using tim2 and tim3 input compare
2017-01-10T11:56:10 < metRo_> and another timer to trigger the ultrasonic
2017-01-10T11:56:24 < dongs> jesus man you didnt tell me you were reiventing ZANO
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2017-01-10T11:56:44 < metRo_> -.-'
2017-01-10T11:58:51 < metRo_> so there isn't any way to reset the input register?
2017-01-10T12:01:11 < dongs> jesus dude
2017-01-10T12:01:15 < dongs> think what SETS IT
2017-01-10T12:01:24 < dongs> its written when CAPTURE OCCURS
2017-01-10T12:01:30 < metRo_> I understand that
2017-01-10T12:01:34 < dongs> if a capture occurs when timer is at 0, then yes, it will be set to zero
2017-01-10T12:01:42 < metRo_> however when the counter reset could be a way to reset it
2017-01-10T12:01:45 < metRo_> or after read it
2017-01-10T12:01:48 < dongs> ?
2017-01-10T12:01:53 < dongs> you have timer update interrupt
2017-01-10T12:01:54 < dongs> use it.
2017-01-10T12:04:27 < metRo_> how?
2017-01-10T12:05:44 < dongs> like i told you
2017-01-10T12:05:45 < ReadErr> dongs: it works with some WM
2017-01-10T12:05:59 < dongs> if you get timer overflow and no capture during that itme, then obviously there was no pulses
2017-01-10T12:10:28 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Apcy8GyIM#t=5m41s watch rossmann jerkoff for 1.5 hours
2017-01-10T12:10:37 < dongs> no; almost 2 hours
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2017-01-10T12:13:07 < metRo_> dongs: thank you, reading the flags on TIM2->SR I know where is there a pulse or not :)
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2017-01-10T12:22:26 < ReadErr> spoiler: does he fix it?
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2017-01-10T12:31:55 < stvn> mitrax, I have a false arm.
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2017-01-10T12:32:53 < dongs> ReadErr: according to my pal who watches ALL HIS SHIT, he didnt  ven get to testing it
2017-01-10T12:33:33 < ReadErr> i fast forwarded to the end and he was still fucking with it, didnt want to unmute it
2017-01-10T12:33:40 < dongs> right
2017-01-10T12:33:57 < dongs> about same, i clicked at the end and he was focusing on some huge metal white shit i said fuckit and closed
2017-01-10T12:36:24 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWcldHxHFpo hahah showed up as a related video
2017-01-10T12:36:48 < dongs> unskippable ad, nice
2017-01-10T12:36:51 < ReadErr> relevant for sure
2017-01-10T12:37:01 < ReadErr> hmm no ad here
2017-01-10T12:37:07 < ReadErr> using ublock origin
2017-01-10T12:38:06 < stvn> what a dirty old crt
2017-01-10T12:38:44 < ReadErr> did you know: you can paste any youtube url into VLC and it works 
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2017-01-10T12:39:44 < dongs> why would you want to is the most important question
2017-01-10T12:39:53 < dongs> vlc doenst evne have keyboard shortcuts for going forward/backward in a video
2017-01-10T12:39:57 < ReadErr> eh alwaysOnTop
2017-01-10T12:40:03 < ReadErr> if its a longer shit
2017-01-10T12:40:07 < ReadErr> or a dedicated monitor
2017-01-10T12:40:39 < karlp> dongs: https://shortcutworld.com/en/VLC-Media-Player/win/all#link_2 ?
2017-01-10T12:40:52 < dongs> they dont work
2017-01-10T12:40:57 < ReadErr> vlc has shortcuts you accidently press and it fucks shit up
2017-01-10T12:41:07 < ReadErr> like changing aspect ratios and delay
2017-01-10T12:42:35 < dongs> i bet rossman uses vlc
2017-01-10T12:42:40  * karlp shrugs, works last time I tried it, but I don't use it these days anyway
2017-01-10T12:42:50 < ReadErr> only other cool thing vlc will do is play rar and r01..etc files 
2017-01-10T12:45:28 < karlp> fucking usenet bullshit
2017-01-10T12:45:39 < karlp> when did 15meg chunks of anything ever make sense.
2017-01-10T12:45:54 < ReadErr> also: samples
2017-01-10T12:45:56 < ReadErr> why
2017-01-10T12:45:56 < karlp> so glad those days are behind (most of) us 
2017-01-10T12:47:02 < ReadErr> apparently the scene is still run by a bunch of 'oldfags'
2017-01-10T12:50:30 < ReadErr> guess they refuse to change much
2017-01-10T12:53:01 < Lambda_Aurigae> people on twitter say the same about us on IRC I'm sure.
2017-01-10T12:53:50 < ReadErr> yea, im a proud irc oldfag
2017-01-10T12:55:47 < emeryth> what do you expect, kids these days don't know shit about computers...
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2017-01-10T12:56:21 < stvn> all they wanna do it jack off
2017-01-10T12:56:29 < Lambda_Aurigae> they do too!  they know twitshit and youtubeless and facelessbook!
2017-01-10T12:56:57 < ReadErr> hopefully they stick to SLACK too
2017-01-10T12:57:20 < ReadErr> get off my URK you f'in kids
2017-01-10T12:58:25 < stvn> tweet it 
2017-01-10T12:58:55 < ReadErr> how about you twitter my twatter.
2017-01-10T12:59:09 < Lambda_Aurigae> twitter is blocked by my firewall.
2017-01-10T12:59:26 < ReadErr> twitter is lame anyways, so many bans
2017-01-10T12:59:34 < ReadErr> hopefully they stick one on doland crump
2017-01-10T13:00:09 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-10T13:00:43 < stvn> gettin the twitter g-line
2017-01-10T13:01:41 < ReadErr> stvn: this jewbird fella was talking about the abbos huffing gas and then smoking a cig after and setting themselves on fire
2017-01-10T13:01:45 < ReadErr> does this really happen a lot?
2017-01-10T13:01:55 < stvn> yeah of course
2017-01-10T13:02:12 < stvn> they call it ' the dreamtime '
2017-01-10T13:02:20 < ReadErr> lol
2017-01-10T13:04:04 < stvn> which i think is their own secret code word for huffing
2017-01-10T13:04:30 < Lambda_Aurigae> before there was huffing there was shrooms!
2017-01-10T13:04:54 < Lambda_Aurigae> when I was there they would steal halon fire extinguishers and huff from those.
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2017-01-10T13:05:21 < stvn> if our rapist forefathers got the fucking job done properly (killed them all) we'd be paying less tax due to welfare
2017-01-10T13:05:33 < ReadErr> stvn: this guy is apparently some ex illuminati member 
2017-01-10T13:05:46 < ReadErr> and people run a unix like OS
2017-01-10T13:05:53 < stvn> rofl
2017-01-10T13:06:11 < ReadErr> and the illuminati has had people powered quantum computers since 1940
2017-01-10T13:06:30 < stvn> fucking eunuchs operating systems
2017-01-10T13:06:34 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqXT-cZiZN0
2017-01-10T13:06:44 < stvn> truly cucked on
2017-01-10T13:06:53 < Lambda_Aurigae> the illuminati are a mass hallucination made up by the matrix.
2017-01-10T13:09:13 < stvn> the matrix was made to control goys
2017-01-10T13:15:54 < stvn> I better sign off before I blurt out too much autism
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2017-01-10T13:22:44 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-prBsQ4PvU
2017-01-10T13:30:41 < dongs> what
2017-01-10T13:30:45 < dongs> are you some kinda dumb nigger
2017-01-10T13:30:49 < dongs> its shit from years ago
2017-01-10T13:30:56 < dongs> they had tesla P90D or whatever for years
2017-01-10T13:31:01 < dongs> for "dual motors"
2017-01-10T13:32:14 < jadew> I don't understand why linux is so shit as a desktop OS
2017-01-10T13:32:19 < jadew> they've been at it for fucking 20 years
2017-01-10T13:32:38 < dongs> haha
2017-01-10T13:32:54 < dongs> do you really need an answer or is this a rhetoric question
2017-01-10T13:33:05 < ReadErr> but but a few hours ago you wanted a native lunix desktop
2017-01-10T13:33:06 < jadew> I know the answer, but it's just annoying
2017-01-10T13:34:13 < Lambda_Aurigae> I want to go back to sun 3/260 workstations with unix and suntools...that was a nice system to program on.
2017-01-10T13:34:14 < jadew> so many stupid bugs and bad behaviour, it's completely insane
2017-01-10T13:34:44 < jadew> just now I was selecting some text in the browser and as I was doing that, the taskbar was flickering AS A RESULT OF THAT ACTION
2017-01-10T13:35:43 < Lambda_Aurigae> never had that problem with linux.
2017-01-10T13:36:04 < jadew> then there's the start menu, if you move your mouse over the items it pops up the submenu but won't switch the one the mouse is currently over until after the fucking animation from the previous popup menu is done
2017-01-10T13:36:28 < jadew> they didn't think to add a freaking .cancel() in there and check if there's something currently going on to cancel it and show the next one
2017-01-10T13:36:35 < Fleck> same here, using Linux Desktop all the time
2017-01-10T13:36:36 < ReadErr> 2017 is going to be the year of the lunix desktop
2017-01-10T13:36:39 < ReadErr> just wait
2017-01-10T13:36:55 < Fleck> no problems whatsoeverandeverandever
2017-01-10T13:37:46 < jadew> Fleck: I kept hearing/reading that over the years, and didn't know what to think of it. Now I'm pretty sure I was getting trolled
2017-01-10T13:38:17 < jadew> like now by all the articles that said "KDE Plasma" is the best DE
2017-01-10T13:38:21 < Fleck> dunno, I am not trolling, I am using Linux Desktop...
2017-01-10T13:38:32 < Fleck> what? disagree
2017-01-10T13:38:47 < Fleck> best KDE was 4 :p plasmas is buggy
2017-01-10T13:38:50 < jadew> which DE do you recommend?
2017-01-10T13:39:25 < jadew> is there anything that's: 1) Modern, 2) Snappy, 3) Reasonably bug-free.
2017-01-10T13:39:25 < ohsix> Development will begin shortly on SLTS kernel version 4.4. Until the announcement of the next version of the SLTS kernel, which the CIP community anticipates will happen in two to three years, feature backports from the upstream Linux kernel may be merged with the CIP kernel. The CIP community plans to maintain 4.4 for security and bug fixes for more than 10 years.
2017-01-10T13:40:17 < ohsix> jadew: people saying kde is best is like radio stations saying they're the #1 radio station
2017-01-10T13:40:59 < jadew> ohsix: yeah, seems like it
2017-01-10T13:41:05 < jadew> so what should I use?
2017-01-10T13:41:22 < ohsix> use the primary version of whatever distro
2017-01-10T13:41:26 < Lambda_Aurigae> xfce works well for me.
2017-01-10T13:41:29 < ohsix> not one of the specific spins
2017-01-10T13:41:31 < ReadErr> just install ubuntu
2017-01-10T13:41:34 < ReadErr> it will do what you wnat
2017-01-10T13:41:38 < Lambda_Aurigae> ubuntu mate is what I put on my wife's and mother-n-law's computers.
2017-01-10T13:41:48 < ohsix> you can install different de's and switch between them if you want
2017-01-10T13:42:05 < jadew> this is what was originally installed here (ubuntu mate)
2017-01-10T13:42:18 < Lambda_Aurigae> ubuntu-mate is premade with xfce which is a relatively lightweight desktop environment.
2017-01-10T13:42:32 < jadew> yeah, but it looks like 1997
2017-01-10T13:42:41 < ohsix> works like it too
2017-01-10T13:42:49 < Lambda_Aurigae> I have no problems.
2017-01-10T13:42:52 < ReadErr> xfce is way too gimp
2017-01-10T13:42:56 < karlp> huh, these look neat: http://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/m/microchip-technology/serial-eerams
2017-01-10T13:43:04 < ohsix> saying you have no problems is, itself a problem
2017-01-10T13:43:28 < Lambda_Aurigae> karlp, yeah...I just ordered some samples of those last week.  Should be here soon.
2017-01-10T13:44:22  * karlp uses stock gnome on recent fedora.  been way less hassles in my life when I stopped getting upset about destkop environments and just use what it has
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2017-01-10T13:46:05 < ohsix> i miss dual pane nautlius
2017-01-10T13:46:22 < jadew> dolphin has that
2017-01-10T13:46:40 < ohsix> is that nautilus tho
2017-01-10T13:47:27 < karlp> nautilus has always been less than old windows explorer, but it gets things done it's way
2017-01-10T13:47:59 < ohsix> typeahead find is kind of annoying too
2017-01-10T13:48:34 < ohsix> indexing services would be great if they were hot caches
2017-01-10T13:48:40 < ohsix> instead of competing for working set
2017-01-10T13:48:49 < kakimir> nice memory chip
2017-01-10T13:48:59 < kakimir> what to do with it?
2017-01-10T13:49:24 < Lambda_Aurigae> no clue yet kakimir 
2017-01-10T13:49:27 < karlp> oh the finder shit is pretty dumb. filed bugs on that in the past a few times, 
2017-01-10T13:49:34 < kakimir> eeprom data retention is 10years?
2017-01-10T13:49:36 < Lambda_Aurigae> will find a problem once I have the solution onhand.
2017-01-10T13:50:05 < Lambda_Aurigae> I like microchip's serial srams too..
2017-01-10T13:50:57 < Lambda_Aurigae> specially the sqi versions.  they make for fun data capture chips.  rated at 20MHz but I've run them up to 40MHz with no loss of data.
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2017-01-10T14:03:06 < Lambda_Aurigae> so, stm32 question.  Are there any stm32 chips that have external memory interfaces?
2017-01-10T14:03:18 < karlp> plenty, 
2017-01-10T14:03:27 < karlp> for varying definitions of external memory interface
2017-01-10T14:03:35 < karlp> FMC/FSMC straight up
2017-01-10T14:03:52 < Lambda_Aurigae> ram/rom/flash mapped into the system memory map.
2017-01-10T14:06:04 < Lambda_Aurigae> and/or memory mapped devices.
2017-01-10T14:07:46 < Lambda_Aurigae> FSMC is what I'm looking for..thanks.
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2017-01-10T14:13:17 < dongs> zyp: status of registering a .moe domain
2017-01-10T14:17:57 < jpa-> karlp: and also quadspi
2017-01-10T14:18:25 < dongs> Lambda_Aurigae: or FMC
2017-01-10T14:18:32 < dongs> jpa, does qspi get mapped into address space?
2017-01-10T14:18:41 < jpa-> AFAIK yes
2017-01-10T14:18:48 < dongs> for reading or wat? thats kinda neat
2017-01-10T14:19:03 < dongs> i guess ill find out with my 413ZI nucleo
2017-01-10T14:19:05 < jpa-> IIRC you can even run code from it.. unless i'm talking rubbish
2017-01-10T14:21:18 < jpa-> atleast it has 1GB of address space reserved to it :P
2017-01-10T14:21:57 < dongs> very nice
2017-01-10T14:23:39 < dongs> how should I convince these dickstarter retards that they should make separate boards for high voltage/power electronics and logic/control
2017-01-10T14:24:01 < dongs> they insist on CE'ing a bunch of different variations of basically same shit that only differs in teh fucking logic bits
2017-01-10T14:24:16 < dongs> or should I just stop caring
2017-01-10T14:24:26 < Lambda_Aurigae> oooo...now i gotta find out what chips support qspi
2017-01-10T14:24:46 < jpa-> not sure if quadspi can support writes in the memory mapped mode
2017-01-10T14:24:52 < dongs> i doubt it
2017-01-10T14:24:55 < Lambda_Aurigae> aawww.
2017-01-10T14:25:06 < Lambda_Aurigae> guess I'll have to stick with a pic32 for that then.
2017-01-10T14:25:19 < jpa-> (normal FMC/FSMC supports writes also)
2017-01-10T14:25:21 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-nucleo/nucleo-f413zh.html?icmp=tt4490_gl_pron_dec2016
2017-01-10T14:25:25 < dongs> haha, "pron" in url
2017-01-10T14:25:51 < jpa-> yeah, ref manual says that only reads are allowed in memory mapped mode
2017-01-10T14:26:08 < dongs> does it still support REGULAR spi (1bit stuff) while still mapping it?
2017-01-10T14:26:32 < dongs> man that is awesome
2017-01-10T14:26:41 < jpa-> it seems it does
2017-01-10T14:27:15 < Lambda_Aurigae> hmmmm.
2017-01-10T14:27:20 < jpa-> not sure if the memory mapped command protocol is compatible with oldschool spi flash chips
2017-01-10T14:27:27 < Lambda_Aurigae> ok..must go read the spi module section.
2017-01-10T14:27:38 < dongs> if it does shit like 03 to read or whaetver then it should be fine
2017-01-10T14:27:39 < Lambda_Aurigae> I'm thinking more spi ram chips myself.
2017-01-10T14:27:49 < dongs> youre autisming
2017-01-10T14:27:53 < Lambda_Aurigae> of course.
2017-01-10T14:28:02 < dongs> nobody serious makes SPI ram chips, those that do are only used for shit like PICs
2017-01-10T14:28:31 < Lambda_Aurigae> I use them for digital data capture.
2017-01-10T14:28:48 < dongs> you could make a SPI ram chip with FSMC-capable STM32, sram/psram, and expose it over SPI to your target
2017-01-10T14:29:02 < dongs> and it will probably be cheaper per byte than buyying a spi ram chip
2017-01-10T14:29:19 < Lambda_Aurigae> buy?   microchip loves me...they send me lots of free samples.
2017-01-10T14:29:40 < jpa-> dongs: looks like you can set the instruction it sends, but address length seems to be hardcoded to 32 bits
2017-01-10T14:29:40 < dongs> so they support your autistic behaviour
2017-01-10T14:29:44 < Lambda_Aurigae> although, they will pretty much send anybody free samples if you lie on the request convincingly
2017-01-10T14:30:10 < dongs> jpa-: ah, mybe 'fast read' works, i forget one of the reads is 24 bit aligned one is 32
2017-01-10T14:30:14 < dongs> maybe in fast read mode it sould be ok
2017-01-10T14:30:39 < dongs> i forget where the extra bits go to tho, cba to lookup now
2017-01-10T14:37:29 < ReadErr> is there a N25Q equiv ?
2017-01-10T14:37:41 < ReadErr> M25Q*
2017-01-10T14:38:15 < ReadErr> seems like they dont make them anymore or digi/mouser dont sell them
2017-01-10T14:39:07 < dongs> ^ dumb cloner dumb cloning
2017-01-10T14:39:23 < ReadErr> hardly 
2017-01-10T14:40:14 < ReadErr> just for a 1off and dont want to waste time on a driver 
2017-01-10T14:40:19 < dongs> yeah i bet
2017-01-10T14:41:10 < ReadErr> nah really its something so useless only I would ever want 
2017-01-10T14:42:34 < dongs> only a dumb cloner wouldnt know that there are literally thousands of vendors selling exactly same protocol spi flash chips
2017-01-10T14:42:46 < dongs> that don't require any "drivers"
2017-01-10T14:42:56 < dongs> but if you'd written one you would know
2017-01-10T14:43:06 < dongs> busted
2017-01-10T14:43:08 < ReadErr> well yea thats what im wondering which use the same protocol 
2017-01-10T14:43:16 < ReadErr> never shopped for one b4
2017-01-10T14:43:17 < dongs> answer: all of them
2017-01-10T14:43:41 < ReadErr> jesd216 shit?
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2017-01-10T15:02:19 < karlp> heh, datasheet says, "must be at least 900ns, this is spec t6"  datasheet spec section says, "t6: 1200ns"
2017-01-10T15:02:22 < karlp> thanks AD
2017-01-10T15:02:48 < Spirit532> karlp, just add the two and divide by 2
2017-01-10T15:02:50 < Spirit532> mean average :D
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2017-01-10T15:09:53 < ReadErr> oh, can use all these flash shits I got nice
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2017-01-10T15:24:57 < KolK_> I read that in Cortex M4 Link Register (lr) should have value of EXC_RETURN when processor executes ISR or exception handler. I also read that valid values are that which most significant hex number is f. 
2017-01-10T15:25:22 < KolK_> Now I've stopped executing in ETH_IRQHandler
2017-01-10T15:25:46 < KolK_> and lr = 0x80027e5
2017-01-10T15:25:55 < KolK_> I use STM32F429ZIT6
2017-01-10T15:25:58 < dongs> open call stack in keil, right click, show callee/caller code, done
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2017-01-10T15:58:47 < Tectu> o/
2017-01-10T16:02:05 < karlp> anyone used any pdf->csv sort of things for dumping tables out of datasheets?
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2017-01-10T16:02:11 < karlp> tried "tabula" and it's sort of ok...
2017-01-10T16:02:46 < jadew> karlp, I made a PDF parser, it's not an easy task
2017-01-10T16:03:22 < karlp> this is why I'm not trying it myself :)
2017-01-10T16:03:37 < jadew> mainly because the PDFs structure has no relation to what you see
2017-01-10T16:03:56 < Tectu> jadew, can you elaborate? this sounds interesting.
2017-01-10T16:03:58 < jadew> you can have 10 lines of text and then another line which should be displayed before the 10 above it
2017-01-10T16:04:30 < jadew> or you could have "this text" written as "text" "this" and the words positioned so it looks like "this text"
2017-01-10T16:04:50 < Tectu> so it's  content + template based?
2017-01-10T16:04:56 < Tectu> or   content + layout  rather
2017-01-10T16:04:57 < jadew> meaning that when parsing tables you have to take into account the source and hope that all PDFs they generate will follow similar rules
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2017-01-10T16:06:02 < jadew> Tectu, it's all described without any sort of structure
2017-01-10T16:06:22 < jadew> if you want to a table, you draw a table and then you draw text in the right locations
2017-01-10T16:06:27 < jadew> the text has no relation to the table
2017-01-10T16:06:32 < Tectu> oh
2017-01-10T16:06:49 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-10T16:07:17 < jadew> so when you parse it you have to figure out how the program that generated that PDF is placing the text in the cells
2017-01-10T16:07:34 < jadew> but it won't work for PDFs generated by another program
2017-01-10T16:07:36 < Tectu> maybe a stupid question but... how are things like text wrapping handled? I know that one can edit PDFs so I guess that stuff like that are handled when rendering the PDF or is it done when generating the PDF? So that a multi-line text is actually already split up in the multiple lines with proper pixel offsets etc?
2017-01-10T16:07:57 < jadew> it's already split
2017-01-10T16:08:11 < BrainDamage> pdf has fixed layout and won't reflow
2017-01-10T16:08:14 < kakimir> can I safelly use in my project such as "errors.h"
2017-01-10T16:08:15 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-10T16:08:26 < Tectu> I see
2017-01-10T16:08:27 < BrainDamage> that's why it sucks for narrative
2017-01-10T16:08:38 < BrainDamage> esp on devices for small screens
2017-01-10T16:08:49 < dongs> err pdf is fixed layout
2017-01-10T16:09:17 < dongs> < karlp> anyone used any pdf->csv sort of things for dumping tables out of datasheets?
2017-01-10T16:09:21 < dongs> btw, acrobad has this
2017-01-10T16:09:23 < dongs> select a table
2017-01-10T16:09:26 < dongs> right click->save to xls
2017-01-10T16:09:37 < dongs> i use that a lot when dumping pin names + shit for making altium footprints
2017-01-10T16:09:37 < Tectu> yes, last time I used it nitro did a great job on that too.
2017-01-10T16:09:46 < dongs> cuz i can then smart paste all the pins at once
2017-01-10T16:10:05 < jadew> interesting, I wonder how they do it
2017-01-10T16:10:30 < Spirit532> altium
2017-01-10T16:10:33 < Tectu> nitro even does OCR on PDFs that are just an image (scanned document) and you can still extract the table :D
2017-01-10T16:10:36 < Spirit532> what are you, filthy rich?
2017-01-10T16:10:46 < dongs> Tectu: .. so does acrobat
2017-01-10T16:10:48 < dongs> what the shit is nitro
2017-01-10T16:10:53 < jadew> Tectu, yeah, I was thinking that that's what they might be doing
2017-01-10T16:10:53 < dongs> sounds like opensores filth
2017-01-10T16:10:59 < Tectu> dongs, acrobat rape:  http://gonitro.com
2017-01-10T16:11:24 < Tectu> disclaimer: I'm not saying that it's better than acrobat. I just use it cuz.
2017-01-10T16:11:50 < jadew> $183 for personal use
2017-01-10T16:11:57 < jadew> not cheap
2017-01-10T16:12:01 < Tectu> it's just money
2017-01-10T16:12:16 < Tectu> nah, just kidding. I agree.
2017-01-10T16:14:06 < Tectu> but afaik it's still cheaper than acrobat pro
2017-01-10T16:14:27 < Tectu> and afaik free acrobat doesn't do editing which I use a lot.
2017-01-10T16:14:31 < englishman> can you even buy acrobat 11
2017-01-10T16:14:44 < Tectu> 15 USD per month... -__-
2017-01-10T16:14:47 < dongs> you mean you don't want acrobat DREAMCOCKS?
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2017-01-10T16:15:47 < Thorn> iirc acrobat on android has "read mode" that reflows text in pdfs
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2017-01-10T16:18:11 < jadew> I think a new format should take its place
2017-01-10T16:18:26 < dongs> as long as its not opensores I'm all for it
2017-01-10T16:18:34 < jadew> something like html with embeded data
2017-01-10T16:18:38 < dongs> no
2017-01-10T16:18:42 < jadew> then everyone can parse it
2017-01-10T16:18:43 < jadew> why not?
2017-01-10T16:18:57 < Tectu> what happened to CHM? :p
2017-01-10T16:19:03 < dongs> html was never designed for publishing
2017-01-10T16:19:23 < jadew> something like HTML, so some sort of extension
2017-01-10T16:19:30 < BrainDamage> jadew: you've just described epub
2017-01-10T16:19:38 < BrainDamage> it's zipped html
2017-01-10T16:19:45 < jadew> didn't know that
2017-01-10T16:20:30 < englishman> facebook posts
2017-01-10T16:20:49 < Tectu> ##stm32 is fun. whenever something is NOT stm32 related one gets a ton of useful information and insights. Once something stm32 related gets on-topic it's just garbage.
2017-01-10T16:22:11 < englishman> incorrect
2017-01-10T16:22:14 < dongs> how much opensores is in nitro
2017-01-10T16:22:19 < englishman> you're just never here when quality discussions take place
2017-01-10T16:22:26 < dongs> is it based on that fucking GHOSTSCRIPT shit
2017-01-10T16:29:01 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38565913 lmaoooo
2017-01-10T16:30:38 < dongs> https://twitter.com/Ilagee/status/817662955244421120/video/1
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2017-01-10T16:30:58 < Tectu> stop posting crap dongs
2017-01-10T16:30:59 < jadew> first of all, it's not the first
2017-01-10T16:31:09 < jadew> lenovo had that years ago
2017-01-10T16:31:22 < Tectu> but 4k AND gaming!!!!1111
2017-01-10T16:31:27 < jadew> no
2017-01-10T16:31:32 < jadew> but they did it
2017-01-10T16:31:35 < jadew> it's not a novel idea
2017-01-10T16:33:05 < jadew> I wouldn't mind one, but the keyboard and the mouse pad are shit
2017-01-10T16:33:19 < jadew> mouse pads anywhere other than below the space bar are useless
2017-01-10T16:33:25 < jadew> because you have to take your hand off of the keys
2017-01-10T16:33:40 < jadew> it's like having a regular mouse, only that it sucks
2017-01-10T16:34:15 < jadew> (I had a logitech keyboard that had a touch pad on that side)
2017-01-10T16:34:27 < Tectu> having that in front of me right now
2017-01-10T16:34:37 < Tectu> for RPi shit
2017-01-10T16:34:37 < jadew> this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9gEJzT9fX1M/maxresdefault.jpg
2017-01-10T16:35:46 < jadew> one of the worst keyboards I ever had
2017-01-10T16:35:57 < jadew> wireless and had a fucking docking stand
2017-01-10T16:36:04 < jadew> so when you were charging it, you couldn't use it
2017-01-10T16:36:19 < jadew> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/192/509401283_1849b5597f.jpg
2017-01-10T16:37:30 < Tectu> best keyboard I ever had: http://codekeyboards.com/
2017-01-10T16:37:34 < Tectu> just ordered a second one two weeks ago.
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2017-01-10T16:37:49 < Tectu> no bull shittery, just a regular keyboard with awesome switches.
2017-01-10T16:38:18 < jadew> "Clean, beautiful white LED backlighting means you can see your keyboard in even the lowest light conditions."
2017-01-10T16:38:49 < dongs> tectu your link looks like a filco ripoff
2017-01-10T16:39:37 < Tectu> dongs, dunno
2017-01-10T16:39:38 < dongs> which cherry shit clicks the LEASTR
2017-01-10T16:39:50 < dongs> also that price, what hte fuck tectu
2017-01-10T16:39:52 < dongs> i'm poor
2017-01-10T16:39:55 < jadew> brown
2017-01-10T16:39:55 < dongs> filco is half that
2017-01-10T16:40:07 < Tectu> dongs, you're poor because you have an altium license
2017-01-10T16:40:15 < jadew> haha
2017-01-10T16:40:16 < dongs> and keil
2017-01-10T16:40:18 < dongs> that is true
2017-01-10T16:41:33 < jadew> I wonder if when I'll get to change my keyboard
2017-01-10T16:41:52 < jadew> it doesn't have any issues yet
2017-01-10T16:42:11 < jadew> although I did smash it once on the desk and broke the PCB, but I fixed it with some wire
2017-01-10T16:43:11 < dongs> i smashed my fucking filco so many times, one of the back support legs is kinda fucked
2017-01-10T16:43:30 < jadew> I have one missing
2017-01-10T16:47:12 < dongs> Tectu: if I buy code87 with mx brown and it sucks can I break it over your head
2017-01-10T16:47:17 < karlp> codekeyboards says the same text for brown and clear.
2017-01-10T16:47:20 < karlp> and brown is still way too loud
2017-01-10T16:47:30 < dongs> clear = louder?
2017-01-10T16:47:33 < dongs> or less
2017-01-10T16:47:35 < karlp> no idea.
2017-01-10T16:47:37 < dongs> fuck
2017-01-10T16:47:42 < karlp> I have a brown version of the das keyboard
2017-01-10T16:47:43 < dongs> wheres mechanicalkeyboardexperts
2017-01-10T16:47:43 < Tectu> dongs, sure
2017-01-10T16:47:50 < Tectu> I recommend clear, btw.
2017-01-10T16:47:53 < karlp> and it's nice, but it's not "quiet" it's just "not as loud as blue"
2017-01-10T16:47:56 < Tectu> I used red and brown before, now I'm all clear
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2017-01-10T16:48:05 < Tectu> dongs, note that there are dampers if you want it quiet.
2017-01-10T16:48:10 < karlp> not good enough
2017-01-10T16:48:16 < karlp> I have max dampers on mine
2017-01-10T16:48:17 < Tectu> the loud part is really just if it bottoms-out.
2017-01-10T16:48:23 < jadew> dongs, the brown have no audible feedback
2017-01-10T16:48:26 < karlp> fuckoff
2017-01-10T16:48:30 < karlp> lies and bullshit
2017-01-10T16:48:38 < Tectu> lol wut
2017-01-10T16:48:39 < dongs> http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Brown.gif
2017-01-10T16:48:51 < jadew> the keys do however make a sound when you bottome them out
2017-01-10T16:49:04 < Tectu> karlp, but those dampers should make a significant difference. whether or not it's still too loud for you / your wife is another matter ;)
2017-01-10T16:49:14 < Tectu> jadew, which is why they have optional dampers
2017-01-10T16:49:24 < dongs> ehh
2017-01-10T16:49:24 < jadew> Tectu, which one do you have?
2017-01-10T16:49:28 < dongs> my filco is brown 
2017-01-10T16:49:31 < dongs> just looked at order history
2017-01-10T16:49:35 < dongs> i wonder if its my first or 2nd one tho
2017-01-10T16:49:44 < englishman> i need people 3 offices over to know that i am typing
2017-01-10T16:49:45 < karlp> code's only available with us layout too
2017-01-10T16:49:46 < dongs> i broke the 1st one over someone elses head
2017-01-10T16:49:55 < englishman> which colour keyswitch is best for me?
2017-01-10T16:50:05 < dongs> englishman: you need the original IBM keyboard
2017-01-10T16:50:07 < englishman> raspberry taupe?
2017-01-10T16:50:09 < dongs> M10 or whatever
2017-01-10T16:50:15 < jadew> IBM-M
2017-01-10T16:50:25 < Tectu> jadew, I have clear ones
2017-01-10T16:50:26 < englishman> "unable to convert string in GetNozIndex"
2017-01-10T16:50:27 < dongs> yeah IBM model M
2017-01-10T16:50:32 < englishman> openpnp is fucking proooo
2017-01-10T16:50:46 < jadew> Tectu, what sound they make?
2017-01-10T16:50:57 < Tectu> karlp, that is incorrect, they do other layouts too. I even got that in the newsletter ;)
2017-01-10T16:51:02 < Tectu> jadew, *click*
2017-01-10T16:51:27 < karlp> ah right, just found that at the bottom
2017-01-10T16:51:45 < karlp> I actually _like_ having the separate media buttons, but I know most keyboard nerds hate them
2017-01-10T16:51:52 < karlp> I also really like the built in usb3 hub on the das keyboard.
2017-01-10T16:52:19 < jadew> karlp, I don't
2017-01-10T16:52:27 < jadew> I don't hate them
2017-01-10T16:52:48 < Tectu> fuck USB hubs in keyboards
2017-01-10T16:52:51 < Tectu> seriously
2017-01-10T16:52:53 < Tectu> fuck them in monitors too
2017-01-10T16:52:56 < Tectu> fuck them anywhere
2017-01-10T16:52:59 < Tectu> buy a hub if you need one
2017-01-10T16:53:13 < Tectu> don't put that shit in every possible gear.
2017-01-10T16:53:22 < jadew> I think it's convenient
2017-01-10T16:53:23 < englishman> fuck keyboards without hubs in them
2017-01-10T16:53:29 < jadew> you can plugin another keyboard in your keyboard
2017-01-10T16:53:37 < englishman> why does a keyboard need a whole usb3 port???
2017-01-10T16:53:48 < englishman> break that shit into 4 more
2017-01-10T16:54:47 < Fleck> one can connect hub to that keyb ;D
2017-01-10T16:55:01 < Tectu> -__-
2017-01-10T16:55:06 < Tectu> thank you for hating me, Fleck :D
2017-01-10T16:55:51 < Fleck> you too, you too...
2017-01-10T16:55:55 < karlp> I think it's _super_ convenient to have hubs in more places.
2017-01-10T16:56:05 < karlp> a few in the monitor? great! a few int he keyboard? great!
2017-01-10T16:56:13 < Tectu> noooo
2017-01-10T16:56:13 < Fleck> in mouse? :D
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2017-01-10T16:56:18 < Tectu> noooooooooooo
2017-01-10T16:56:19 < englishman> well monitors do it stupidly
2017-01-10T16:56:23 < englishman> need some usb ports on the front
2017-01-10T16:56:26 < englishman> not just the back
2017-01-10T16:56:27 < dongs> usb hub in dell is fucking useless
2017-01-10T16:56:29 < karlp> some of them do it really dumb yeah.
2017-01-10T16:56:32 < Tectu> there are even mouse pads with USB hubs in them
2017-01-10T16:56:33 < englishman> lies dongs 
2017-01-10T16:56:48 < englishman> it even has proper power supply and reporting
2017-01-10T16:57:15 < Fleck> wireless mouse with usb3 would be cool? :p
2017-01-10T16:57:41 < kakimir> any benefits?
2017-01-10T16:57:47 < Fleck> none
2017-01-10T16:57:48 < Tectu> next thing you can talk to bvernoux why we need 6 core microcontrollers and to rob why we need 129412957 gigabytes of memory in an FPGA
2017-01-10T16:58:14 < Tectu> for some reason I rage way too much about that usb hub stuff. I should just not care :D
2017-01-10T17:05:30 < karlp> ok, tabula ui thing does much better job than tabula command line,
2017-01-10T17:05:37 < karlp> thought hey seem to have been different versions, so possibly that.
2017-01-10T17:07:15 < jadew> what tool is that?
2017-01-10T17:07:22 < jadew> I'd like to give it a try too
2017-01-10T17:09:05 < Tectu> any news on the amazon thing, jadew ?
2017-01-10T17:09:21 < jadew> I turned it down
2017-01-10T17:11:40 < Tectu> any elaborations?
2017-01-10T17:12:28 < jadew> I'm just not looking for a job at the moment
2017-01-10T17:12:47 < jadew> don't even want to have that alternative
2017-01-10T17:13:00 < Tectu> is having kids that bad? :p
2017-01-10T17:13:01 < Kliment> Tectu: I know a handful of usb hosts that only work with a hub
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2017-01-10T17:13:20 < jadew> Tectu, heh, no, I just want to be motivated to do something for myself
2017-01-10T17:13:26 < Tectu> Kliment, due to current requirements?
2017-01-10T17:13:32 < Kliment> Tectu: No, reset handling
2017-01-10T17:13:39 < Tectu> Kliment, can you explain?
2017-01-10T17:13:46 < Tectu> jadew, makes sense :)
2017-01-10T17:13:59 < Kliment> Tectu: A chipset bug causes a malformed reset to go out on the bus
2017-01-10T17:14:08 < Kliment> Tectu: A correctly-implemented hub ignores it
2017-01-10T17:14:20 < Kliment> Tectu: Most devices however don't
2017-01-10T17:15:03 < Tectu> well, comparing a "correctly-implemented thing" against a "has bugs thing" usually always results in favoring having that other thing
2017-01-10T17:15:06 < Kliment> Tectu: That chipset happens to be in the world's third-most popular router or so
2017-01-10T17:15:17 < Tectu> not sure whether that's a reason to have a USB hub in a freakin keyboard or monitor :p
2017-01-10T17:15:29 < Tectu> Kliment, that sounds like quite a bad thing :p
2017-01-10T17:15:41 < Kliment> Tectu: yep. But adding a hub makes it work correctly
2017-01-10T17:16:19 < Kliment> Tectu: It's not like all those devices in the field will ever get fixed
2017-01-10T17:16:45 < Tectu> Kliment, agreed
2017-01-10T17:16:46 < Kliment> Tectu: Especially given it's a hardware bug rather than firmware
2017-01-10T17:23:05 < PaulFertser> Kliment: can you please tell the name of the SoC that has that broken USB host?
2017-01-10T17:25:53 < Kliment> Qualcomm/Atheros AR9331 and several related chipsets
2017-01-10T17:26:53 < Kliment> There is some analog interaction between the radio and the USB PHY
2017-01-10T17:27:19 < Kliment> so when the radio is transmitting a packet the USB can corrupt data
2017-01-10T17:28:10 < PaulFertser> I know it had a bug that was upsetting USB's PLL every wifi channel change. But isn't it nicely workarounded nowadays?
2017-01-10T17:30:03 < Kliment> PaulFertser: I think there is a workaround, but it doesn't work for many devices in the field that cannot be upgraded
2017-01-10T17:30:19 < Thorn> iirc lpc176x hang hard in host mode if you connect devices to them through a hub
2017-01-10T17:30:41 < PaulFertser> https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/commit/f555ce40f44dde9563eb2911b9cefa9453d25aa8
2017-01-10T17:31:21 < Kliment> PaulFertser: That workaround only fixes usb 1.1 iirc
2017-01-10T17:31:31 < Kliment> PaulFertser: usb2.0 devices still have issues
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2017-01-10T17:32:05 < PaulFertser> Hm https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/16505
2017-01-10T17:33:04 < Kliment> Yeah, exactly that
2017-01-10T17:33:10 < Kliment> hub fixes it
2017-01-10T17:35:27 < PaulFertser> Shame on QCA, heh. In the late-Atheros times it was probably possible to do something about it, but now all the cool guys are gone from it. 
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2017-01-10T18:24:25 < kakimir> is there macro defines for base10 digit counts for different integer types?
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2017-01-10T18:33:58 < kakimir> is there bit scan function in arm cortex m3?
2017-01-10T18:34:12 < kakimir> bit scan *reverse
2017-01-10T18:35:23 < kakimir> like "Built-in Function: int __builtin_clz (unsigned int x)"
2017-01-10T18:35:35 < kakimir> "Returns the number of leading 0-bits in x, starting at the most significant bit position. If x is 0, the result is undefined."
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2017-01-10T18:37:45 < kakimir> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0552a/BABBBJGA.html
2017-01-10T18:37:55 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-10T18:38:30 < kakimir> m0 and m0+ have no support for it
2017-01-10T18:40:43 < karlp> jadew: http://tabula.technology/ I just downloaded the linux version, ran the jar.
2017-01-10T18:41:05 < karlp> it fires up a webservice on :8080 you upload the pdf to it, it shows you a preview and you can draw boxes around the table and extract.
2017-01-10T18:41:08 < karlp> worked pretty well
2017-01-10T18:41:27 < jadew> thanks
2017-01-10T18:41:55 < karlp> Kliment: you sound like you're talking about dwc2 usb hubs in ar933x?
2017-01-10T18:42:04 < karlp> oh yeh, you were :)
2017-01-10T18:42:35 < karlp> hrm, as I understood it, the bug only affected 1.1 devices, not 2.0 devs anyway
2017-01-10T18:42:56  * karlp shrugs. I have a hub+cardreader combo attached, don't see the issues.
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2017-01-10T18:45:42 < karlp> tabula -> sigrok -> http://imgur.com/a/XgL2S
2017-01-10T18:49:43 < karlp> heh, already found a bug in existing code after decoding this stuff
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2017-01-10T19:04:09 < Kliment> karlp: The 1.1 devices were fixed by a software patch, the 2.0 devices had stability issues after
2017-01-10T19:06:53 < karlp> well, it's rapidly fading out as the goto router platform now anyway
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2017-01-10T19:10:12 < Kliment> karlp: it is, but there's still a lot of them around
2017-01-10T19:10:53 < Emil> Yo
2017-01-10T19:11:07 < Emil> Can I download the stm32libs without registering to st
2017-01-10T19:21:04 < Steffanx> Official source? Not that i know of.
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2017-01-10T19:23:11 < sync_> you can if you google the links
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2017-01-10T19:42:40 < Emil> What is libnewlib?
2017-01-10T19:42:43 < Emil> And do I need it?
2017-01-10T19:43:01 < Rickta59> do you want to do printf?
2017-01-10T19:43:24 < Emil> nah
2017-01-10T19:43:36 < Rickta59> do you want to use normal libc stuff?
2017-01-10T19:43:55 < Emil> Like?
2017-01-10T19:45:23 < Rickta59> isspace, isdigtic ldiv, ldtoa, strcpy, strcmp .. etc
2017-01-10T19:46:21 < Emil> Probably at some point
2017-01-10T19:46:24 < Emil> So yes then
2017-01-10T19:46:32 < Rickta59> https://www.sourceware.org/newlib/ that is the stuff in it
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2017-01-10T19:49:33 < Emil> Is there similar software to avrdude for stm32?
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2017-01-10T19:49:55 < Fleck> in what sense?
2017-01-10T19:50:02 < Rickta59> do you have a nucleo or discovery board Emil ?
2017-01-10T19:50:08 < Emil> Like just upload the damn code and run it and then exit
2017-01-10T19:50:20 < Fleck> openocd can do that
2017-01-10T19:51:17 < Rickta59> which stm32 are you using Emil ?
2017-01-10T19:51:22 < Emil> Rickta59: stm32l432kc
2017-01-10T19:51:26 < Emil> Nucleo board
2017-01-10T19:51:32 < Emil> with stlink v2-1
2017-01-10T19:51:37 < Rickta59> on linux? or windows?
2017-01-10T19:51:50 < Emil> Linux
2017-01-10T19:52:08 < Rickta59> openocd then
2017-01-10T19:52:22 < Rickta59> like Fleck said
2017-01-10T19:52:45 < Emil> Rickta59: and it should just work without getting this https://github.com/texane/stlink?
2017-01-10T19:52:52 < Rickta59> maybe
2017-01-10T19:53:02 < Rickta59> not sure how up to date that is with newer chips
2017-01-10T19:54:23 < Fleck> l4 seems to be supported
2017-01-10T19:54:39 < Fleck> stlink v2-1 is 100%
2017-01-10T19:54:42 < Rickta59> so give it a whirl and let us know
2017-01-10T19:54:51 < Steffanx> nah better use openocd 
2017-01-10T19:55:16 < Fleck> yes, I am talking about openocd :D
2017-01-10T19:56:01 < Rickta59> you can probably just try -f board/st_nucleo_l476rg.cfg
2017-01-10T19:56:59 < Emil> Fleck: so I should install the mentioned github project
2017-01-10T19:57:01 < Emil> ?
2017-01-10T19:57:11 < Emil> Or no need
2017-01-10T19:57:15 < Fleck> I would not
2017-01-10T19:57:24 < Rickta59> did you try openocd yet Emil ?
2017-01-10T19:57:24 < Emil> Alrighty
2017-01-10T19:57:26 < Fleck> openocd gives you more than just flashing...
2017-01-10T19:57:29 < Emil> Rickta59: no
2017-01-10T19:57:34 < Rickta59> why not?
2017-01-10T19:57:41 < Emil> Rickta59: because I asked you guys first :D
2017-01-10T19:57:57 < Fleck> Emil: we say - use openocd :D
2017-01-10T19:58:05 < Emil> Fleck: I know, doing that as we speak
2017-01-10T19:58:41 < Rickta59> what are you using for doing development Emil ?
2017-01-10T19:58:57 < Rickta59> all this stuff is built into the stm32 system workbench
2017-01-10T19:59:53 < Emil> Rickta59: cli tools, namely gcc-arm-none-eabi, binutils-arm-none-eabi and so on and a text editor of my choice
2017-01-10T20:00:05 < Emil> Am ripping the initialisation code from the cube project
2017-01-10T20:00:22 < Fleck> Emil: openocd -f board/st_nucleo_l476rg.cfg -c "program firmware.elf verify reset exit"
2017-01-10T20:00:35 < Emil> Fleck: nice, thanks!
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2017-01-10T20:07:07 < Emil> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/software/firmware/ca/20/a3/1a/24/48/42/24/stm32cubel4.zip/files/stm32cubel4.zip/_jcr_content/translations/en.stm32cubel4.zip
2017-01-10T20:07:14 < Emil> For anyone in need
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2017-01-10T20:13:36 < Rickta59> i've eyed that nucleo board .. seems to pretty decent if you don't need a lot of pins
2017-01-10T20:13:48 < Emil> Rickta59: yeah, they are rather nice
2017-01-10T20:13:58 < Emil> I should have gotten the one with crypto, though
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2017-01-10T20:37:23 < Emil> God damn I wish there were command line tools like with avr for stm32
2017-01-10T20:37:38 < Fleck> ?
2017-01-10T20:37:41 < Fleck> what do you miss?
2017-01-10T20:38:20 < Emil> Fleck: http://regalis.com.pl/en/arm-cortex-stm32-gnulinux/ compare with https://emil.fi/avr (only from part 4 onwards)
2017-01-10T20:39:06 < Fleck> :D srsly?
2017-01-10T20:39:11 < Emil> yes
2017-01-10T20:40:40 < Fleck> maybe you should stick to AVRs then? :P
2017-01-10T20:40:55 < Emil> Fleck: and why shouldn't programming be easy as possible?
2017-01-10T20:41:04 < Emil> Fleck: don't get on your high horse for no reason
2017-01-10T20:41:13 < Fleck> it's pretty easy imo
2017-01-10T20:41:25 < Emil> Fleck: sure, everything is easy once you have done it a lot
2017-01-10T20:41:30 < Fleck> I do make; make flash :D
2017-01-10T20:41:45 < Emil> Fleck: would you share your makefile?
2017-01-10T20:41:50 < Fleck> sure
2017-01-10T20:44:38 < PaulFertser> Emil: you can use "load" in gdb, that way you flash and then debug it.
2017-01-10T20:45:00 < PaulFertser> Emil: I also recommend to avoid generating and using hex files, as openocd natively supports elf.
2017-01-10T20:45:19 < PaulFertser> Emil: and if you want to flash with openocd without gdb, I suggest "program" command, it does the right thing.
2017-01-10T20:45:36 < Emil> PaulFertser: Yeah Flec shared a snipped above
2017-01-10T20:45:45 < Emil> 2017-01-10 20:00:23 +0200 < Fleck> Emil: openocd -f board/st_nucleo_l476rg.cfg -c "program firmware.elf verify reset exit"
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2017-01-10T20:46:00 < PaulFertser> Emil: exactly
2017-01-10T20:46:29 < Emil> Fleck: the zip you shared
2017-01-10T20:46:38 < Emil> does anything like that come from st directly?
2017-01-10T20:46:44 < Emil> Or from a project anywhere?
2017-01-10T20:46:44 < Fleck> no
2017-01-10T20:46:48 < Emil> Fleck: precisely
2017-01-10T20:46:50 < Fleck> PaulFertser: hey! :)
2017-01-10T20:47:08 < Emil> Fleck: but you agree that it is super useful
2017-01-10T20:47:19 < PaulFertser> Emil: I really really recommend to get used to step-by-step debugging, it's really awesome when you're facing complex issues. Breakpoints, watchpoints are amazing.
2017-01-10T20:47:32 < PaulFertser> Fleck: hey, and thank you for spreading the correct word :)
2017-01-10T20:48:00 < Fleck> PaulFertser: I would not, if openocd was not awesome, but it is! :)
2017-01-10T20:48:17 < PaulFertser> Emil: you might or might not prefer libopencm3 to ST's shitlibrary.
2017-01-10T20:58:02 < Emil> PaulFertser: meaning?
2017-01-10T20:58:22 < Emil> PaulFertser: I'm using cmsis instead of hal
2017-01-10T20:58:47 < Emil> PaulFertser: can you explain the differences
2017-01-10T21:03:34 < Fleck> [20:46:43] <Emil> Or from a project anywhere? <<< yes https://community.ugfx.io/files/file/17-stm32f746g-discovery-game-sokoban/
2017-01-10T21:05:48 < PaulFertser> Emil: meaning you can use http://libopencm3.org/wiki/Main_Page instead of cmsis/hal or you can use chibios which has it's own hal etc.
2017-01-10T21:11:35 < upgrdman> nice  https://www.scmagazine.com/debugging-mechanism-in-intel-cpus-allows-seizing-control-via-usb-port/article/630480/?
2017-01-10T21:12:10 < upgrdman> providing cpu jtag via usb port by default, what could go wrong?
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2017-01-10T21:25:10 < Kliment> BIOS vendors should be disabling that debugging in firmware
2017-01-10T21:25:41 < Kliment> It can also be disabled in hardware by shorting two nets on the board
2017-01-10T21:26:34 < Emil> PaulFertser: what does that do for me?
2017-01-10T21:27:11 < PaulFertser> Emil: different API, some think it's better, also easier to port code between different controllers.
2017-01-10T21:27:21 < PaulFertser> Emil: and ChibiOS is a RTOS
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2017-01-10T22:01:33 < jadew> I tried gnome 3
2017-01-10T22:01:44 < jadew> like... really tried it for a couple of hours
2017-01-10T22:02:20 < jadew> I have no words to describe how stupefied I am
2017-01-10T22:03:09 < jadew> when it goes into screen saver mode, I have to slide the silly lock screen like it's a fucking phone or something
2017-01-10T22:04:02 < jadew> the launcher's applications section scrolls is pages, you can't scroll one icon row at a time
2017-01-10T22:04:45 < jadew> in the menu based launcher you can't right click on applications to add them to favorites / desktop
2017-01-10T22:04:55 < jadew> it comes by default with no minimize / maximize buttons
2017-01-10T22:04:59 < jadew> and no task bar
2017-01-10T22:05:18 < jadew> it shows only one application in the top bar
2017-01-10T22:08:48 < jadew> I just clicked the print screen button to capture some more silliness and it scared the crap out of me, the screen went white and made a "photo" noise
2017-01-10T22:08:58 < jadew> no application showed up with the screenshot
2017-01-10T22:09:26 < jadew> time to try a new one
2017-01-10T22:11:07 < KolK> jadew, I think Qt based DE are quite good. Plasma and KDE always was very heavy, but now I'm using LxQt 0.11 with i3. It's quite stable configuration. 
2017-01-10T22:11:22 < KolK> You should try it if you're looking for sth functional and clear.
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2017-01-10T22:11:44 < jadew> I'll keep it in mind, thanks
2017-01-10T22:11:50 < jadew> I think I'm gonna try xfce now
2017-01-10T22:12:06 < jadew> haven't used it in a couple of years, but I liked it back then
2017-01-10T22:13:50 < KolK> I used to use Xfce, but I love some KDE apps (Spectacle, k3b) so I always had a lot of kde dependencies but xfce pulls a lot of gnome-* packages.
2017-01-10T22:21:48 < KolK> I have some problem with my stm32. When I run debugging session and set breakpoint on Default_Handler (ISR) I can run my app and never get to any Hard or Usage Fault. When I go step by step some function which uses LwIP and mbedtls, I always get a HardFault or UsageFault.
2017-01-10T22:22:28 < KolK> In case of usage fault it's always bad EXC_RETURN value. 
2017-01-10T22:22:58 < KolK> In case of HardFault it's bad value of T or IT bits in EPSR.
2017-01-10T22:23:43 < KolK> It's very hard to determine when that errors occurs.
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2017-01-10T22:56:48 < upgrdman> in win10 if you drag a window and wiggle it, it minimizes all other windows. how do i disable that faggotry
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2017-01-10T23:14:54 < Emilgardis> What? @upgrdman
2017-01-10T23:14:59 < Emilgardis> I've never noticed
2017-01-10T23:15:17 < upgrdman> try it
2017-01-10T23:15:22 < upgrdman> grab a window
2017-01-10T23:15:24 < upgrdman> drag it
2017-01-10T23:15:27 < karlp> KolK: what do you do with your days that k3b is reason enough to use a different desktop environment?
2017-01-10T23:15:30 < upgrdman> shake it while dragging
2017-01-10T23:15:36 < Steffanx> Fuck, i hate myself. Editing a file on one machine, compiling it on the other.. "Why doesn't it work" :O
2017-01-10T23:15:49 < upgrdman> Steffanx, trolled yourself good, huh
2017-01-10T23:16:24 < karlp> I wonder what tweaked version of gnome jade was using, with whatdistro.
2017-01-10T23:21:52 < ReadErr> englishman: for general typing i like blues best
2017-01-10T23:22:02 < englishman> ?
2017-01-10T23:22:04 < englishman> oh
2017-01-10T23:22:06 < englishman> mech
2017-01-10T23:22:10 < englishman> not like
2017-01-10T23:22:12 < englishman> saxophones
2017-01-10T23:22:13 < ReadErr> click clack
2017-01-10T23:22:55 < ReadErr> started on browns tho
2017-01-10T23:25:26 < ReadErr> fullblown UGFX
2017-01-10T23:25:52 < ReadErr> actually was pretty notbad to get going
2017-01-10T23:28:10 < karlp> Kliment: hah, should is a long way from do :)
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2017-01-10T23:47:08 < karlp> why the fuck are there 5 ref mans for l4?
2017-01-10T23:50:45 < englishman> found dongs' PCBfab https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca99QRu6AQA
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2017-01-11T00:00:00 < upgrdman> englishman, wonder how that poor bastard's lungs will be a few years
2017-01-11T00:14:50 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: don't breathe it
2017-01-11T00:15:29 < upgrdman> Kliment, i've been to china. they're not big on safety
2017-01-11T00:15:39 < sync_> there is an extraction hose, all is osha compliant
2017-01-11T00:15:48 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, wouldnt be surprised if he didnt have a mask on
2017-01-11T00:18:39 < sync_> fine dust isn't that bad itch wise
2017-01-11T00:19:11 < englishman> upgrdman: also noticed that every chinaman in every video is wearing a puff jacket
2017-01-11T00:19:15 < englishman> do they not heat workspaces
2017-01-11T00:19:21 < upgrdman> no they dont
2017-01-11T00:19:28 < upgrdman> comfort costs money
2017-01-11T00:19:32 < upgrdman> no need for that
2017-01-11T00:19:40 < upgrdman> they also dont fix leaking roofs
2017-01-11T00:19:53 < englishman> nice
2017-01-11T00:19:56 < upgrdman> they also dont fix cracks in their walls
2017-01-11T00:20:12 < englishman> well neither do usa inner city schools
2017-01-11T00:20:26 < upgrdman> they also dont shape their sidewalks so water wont pool when it rains
2017-01-11T00:21:22 < upgrdman> they also dont care if youre asleep in your hotel room at 5am. construction workers bring out the jackhammers, etc.
2017-01-11T00:21:47 < upgrdman> i see youtube videos of usa expats in china. wtf. why.
2017-01-11T00:22:03 < upgrdman> homeless people in 1st world countries are better off than most chinese citizens
2017-01-11T00:22:26 < upgrdman> so fucking glad i was born in a first world country
2017-01-11T00:23:19 < englishman> and also white
2017-01-11T00:23:21 < upgrdman> oh, and they dont light up their workspaces very well in most cases
2017-01-11T00:23:28 < upgrdman> englishman, ya that helps too :)
2017-01-11T00:33:32 < KolK> karlp: k3b is not the reason, kde tools are the reason why I have choosen qt-based env instead of gnome dependent one
2017-01-11T00:34:05 < karlp> you just listed k3b explicitly, as  one of two tools :)
2017-01-11T00:34:40 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, that's because youre retarded. visit china. visit usa. no fucking comparison.
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2017-01-11T00:35:24 < upgrdman> not really.
2017-01-11T00:35:40 < upgrdman> even rich touristy areas are barely middle class by usa stardards
2017-01-11T00:36:04 < upgrdman> only if you visit the blacker areas of the usa
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2017-01-11T00:36:57 < upgrdman> but if you visit an area in the usa where average income is x, then a place in china with same average income... china will be worse 100% of the time
2017-01-11T00:37:11 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, pro tip: be white
2017-01-11T00:37:15 < upgrdman> ;)
2017-01-11T00:37:32 < upgrdman> but no seriously, even minorities do great inthe usa
2017-01-11T00:37:39 < upgrdman> why do you think there are no much immegrants
2017-01-11T00:38:10 < upgrdman> also, even other minorities hate the black community in the usa
2017-01-11T00:38:18 < upgrdman> not just just white vs black
2017-01-11T00:38:30 < upgrdman> it's about the behavior of communities
2017-01-11T00:39:06 < upgrdman> that is prolly the only good thing i can think of about china: the poor people in china are much more tolerable than the poor people in the usa
2017-01-11T00:39:27 < upgrdman> poor people in the usa have no sense of shame (exaggerating, but ya)
2017-01-11T00:39:50 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, and if you dont... there are still problems
2017-01-11T00:40:02 < upgrdman> long beach ca for example. lots if races mixed together.
2017-01-11T00:40:43 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, come visit. i wish they would "integrate/blend"
2017-01-11T00:42:09 < upgrdman> depends on the area in the usa. in metro areas, theres little racism
2017-01-11T00:42:29 < upgrdman> but if communities follow stereotypes... well it's hard to ignore that
2017-01-11T00:46:23 < upgrdman> from what i see, its more like profiling you based on your actions. not your looks. for example, if youre black but behave like a normal person, no problem. if youre black and dress/behave like the guy on the left, dont be surprised if employees follow you around to make sure you dont steal shit. http://hiphoplives.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Stereotypes.png
2017-01-11T00:46:55 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rt9BIxWoFA
2017-01-11T00:47:11 < upgrdman> people judge you by your actions, not by how you were born
2017-01-11T00:47:31 < upgrdman> behavior, clothes, haircut, etc.
2017-01-11T00:47:53 < upgrdman> absurd that the guy on the left would be profiled?
2017-01-11T00:50:11 < upgrdman> exactly
2017-01-11T00:50:16 < upgrdman> and we profile white people too :)
2017-01-11T00:50:58 < upgrdman> theyd be treated the same, at least in the metro areas
2017-01-11T00:51:49 < upgrdman> anyway, you keep watching the news and believing that it reflects reality.
2017-01-11T00:52:22 < upgrdman> we'll keep being a country highly desired by immigrants
2017-01-11T00:52:51 < upgrdman> because if things were as bad as you seem to believe, there's be no one want to come here
2017-01-11T00:52:55 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, yes
2017-01-11T00:54:31 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, #1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population
2017-01-11T00:54:43 < upgrdman> your shithole canada is #6
2017-01-11T00:54:57 < upgrdman> even russia is better than canada in this regard
2017-01-11T00:55:05 < sync_> LeelooMinai: lots of people try to get to the us so that their children are citizens of the usa
2017-01-11T00:55:11 < sync_> if they are born there
2017-01-11T00:55:14 < englishman> wut
2017-01-11T00:55:17 < englishman> usa is 100% immigrants
2017-01-11T00:56:08 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, by that metric the UAE is better
2017-01-11T00:56:10 < upgrdman> dont be dumb
2017-01-11T00:56:36 < karlp> upgrdman: that page  is  default ranked by raw number!
2017-01-11T00:56:37 < englishman> upgrdman got drawn into the trap
2017-01-11T00:56:50 < karlp> us ia almost at the bottom by % of nation
2017-01-11T00:57:12 < karlp> well, not bottom bottom but way lower than you were making out
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2017-01-11T01:03:49 < upgrdman> karlp, that's because the usa has a big population. but think about it. of people who are immegrants, the biggest fraction of them is in the usa. by far.
2017-01-11T01:04:27 < upgrdman> if you're an immigrant, the usa is BY FAR the desired destination
2017-01-11T01:06:13 < BrainDamage> tbh those lists only show accepted immigrants, not desire
2017-01-11T01:06:30 < upgrdman> im not saying the usa is perfect or anything. far form it. by if racism was a big of a problem as the news makes it out to be, i doubt that 20% of the world immigrants would come to the usa.
2017-01-11T01:06:35 < BrainDamage> eg australia has huge demand, but very restrictive acceptanc policies
2017-01-11T01:06:43 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, true. fair enough.
2017-01-11T01:06:44 < BrainDamage> us too has somehow limited influx
2017-01-11T01:07:29 < BrainDamage> I'd actually espect the us to be rather high in the demand list merely because of the advertising it does to itself
2017-01-11T01:07:45 < upgrdman> the good economy helps too :)
2017-01-11T01:08:20 < upgrdman> look at canada... who the fuck wants that economy
2017-01-11T01:08:50 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, not true.
2017-01-11T01:09:04 < upgrdman> you can work at mcdonalds and invest i nthe stock market
2017-01-11T01:10:07 < upgrdman> anyway i have verilog to write. you keep circlejerking about what you read on the news.
2017-01-11T01:10:58 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ? most people dont behave like the 1%.
2017-01-11T01:11:32 < upgrdman> that's why the behavious of the 1% is newsworthy. it's fucking unusual.
2017-01-11T01:13:06 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, visit the usa. look at how people are living. not just what you see on the news. life is good.
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2017-01-11T01:14:04 < upgrdman> no need to extrapolate. just drive around and look.
2017-01-11T01:14:32 < Lux> lots of it looks like a 3rd world country ;)
2017-01-11T01:14:44 < Lux> at least infrastructure wise
2017-01-11T01:14:50 < upgrdman> not really
2017-01-11T01:15:14 < Lux> or at least 2nd world, def far worse from europe
2017-01-11T01:16:12 < upgrdman> Lux, funny. the french study-abroad student i became friends with a couple years ago disagrees. and he literally did a cross country usa road trip.
2017-01-11T01:16:32 < upgrdman> europe is nice, dont get me wrong
2017-01-11T01:16:46 < upgrdman> but the usa is definitely a first world country
2017-01-11T01:16:53 < Lux> i've driven a lot in florida and down the east coast
2017-01-11T01:16:58 < upgrdman> as are many european countries
2017-01-11T01:16:59 < Lux> ya sure it is
2017-01-11T01:17:18 < Lux> but you got far worse areas than in states with a working social system
2017-01-11T01:18:12 < Lux> at least imho
2017-01-11T01:19:36 < Lux> i mean like electricity is cheap, but therefore in some areas you get power outages like a couple of times a year
2017-01-11T01:19:45 < Lux> here you simply don't need that
2017-01-11T01:20:15 < Lux> also all the blasted tires on the roads, dunno why that is though
2017-01-11T01:21:24 < sync_> because people are cheap and no safety inspections
2017-01-11T01:21:33 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-11T01:21:50 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFKUKHfuM0
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2017-01-11T01:21:54 < upgrdman> also is some areas theres little/no periodic roadway cleaning
2017-01-11T01:22:11 < upgrdman> generally poor or less traveled areas
2017-01-11T01:22:58 < upgrdman> in seem like in europe you pay more (in taxes) and get more. in the usa you get what you pay for. so in a poor area, there's less tax money and less services
2017-01-11T01:23:13 < upgrdman> and in a middle class area, life is good.
2017-01-11T01:23:21 < upgrdman> and in a rich area, life is great.
2017-01-11T01:24:34 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, no it isnt
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2017-01-11T01:25:33 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, wait until they fuck shit up. right now its just a bunch of people crying about what "might" happen.
2017-01-11T01:25:40 < upgrdman> im not saying they wont fuck shit up
2017-01-11T01:25:48 < upgrdman> but crying now is fucking childish
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2017-01-11T01:26:04 < ohsix> someone gave me space aids
2017-01-11T01:26:49 < upgrdman> i must admit tho, i'd feel more at ease when the president and congress are opposite parties
2017-01-11T01:27:17 < upgrdman> we all saw the stupid shit that happened when pres + cong were both democrats
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2017-01-11T01:27:34 < ohsix> are you also canadian and nothing matters
2017-01-11T01:27:53 < kakimir> hello ohsix
2017-01-11T01:27:59 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol
2017-01-11T01:28:30 < upgrdman> sure
2017-01-11T01:28:41 < BrainDamage> I can't resist pouring some gasoline on the fire
2017-01-11T01:28:42 < BrainDamage> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-critic-kennedy-set-to-chair-trump-panel-on-vaccination-safety/
2017-01-11T01:28:43 < upgrdman> im sure the republicans will do some stupid shit
2017-01-11T01:28:44 < upgrdman> but
2017-01-11T01:28:56 < upgrdman> im sure things will be fine in the long run
2017-01-11T01:30:26 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, if nothing else, realize that as retarded as trump is, half the voting population that hillary would be worse
2017-01-11T01:30:32 < ohsix> we'll all be dead, so the long run is great
2017-01-11T01:31:05 < ohsix> hi kakimir 
2017-01-11T01:31:45 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, of course not. but i'll wait to see their actions instead of profiling them ;)
2017-01-11T01:32:29 < upgrdman> so you
2017-01-11T01:32:45 < upgrdman> so youre ok with profiling politicans, but not with profiling minorities?
2017-01-11T01:33:16 < upgrdman> if anything, politicans are a small minority of the population :)
2017-01-11T01:34:02 < ohsix> upgrdman: dell had a 32" 8k display at ces
2017-01-11T01:34:41 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i think i'll wait to bitch when they do something stupid
2017-01-11T01:34:57 < upgrdman> more likely, my investments will rise in value :)
2017-01-11T01:35:10 < ohsix> just like gas prices
2017-01-11T01:35:10 < upgrdman> position yourself to win.
2017-01-11T01:35:26 < ohsix> remember when we elected romney so we could have 2$ gas by 2015
2017-01-11T01:35:27 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i didnt say its ok
2017-01-11T01:35:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, link to 8k jizz-worthy dell monitor?
2017-01-11T01:35:58 < ohsix> up3218k
2017-01-11T01:37:00 < upgrdman> ohsix, fuck. 8k 32". they shouldve done it at like 40"
2017-01-11T01:37:27 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i position myself to win. regardless of who's in power.
2017-01-11T01:37:32 < ohsix> oh boy they're playing the two cable game again
2017-01-11T01:37:42 < ohsix> that went totally fine with the monitors dongs has
2017-01-11T01:38:04 < upgrdman> ohsix, oh ya that too wtf. dp1.4 can do 8k60 with one cable. those faggots
2017-01-11T01:38:24 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, no problem. not everyone is poor like you
2017-01-11T01:38:26 < upgrdman> :)
2017-01-11T01:38:28 < ohsix> not for balls deep colors
2017-01-11T01:44:35 < sync_> upgrdman: probably they developed that shit before
2017-01-11T01:44:46 < sync_> probably using outdated asic again
2017-01-11T01:45:38 < upgrdman> sync_, bummer
2017-01-11T01:46:17 < ohsix> or is it
2017-01-11T01:46:25 < ohsix> they're the only one that has this monitor
2017-01-11T01:47:00 < ohsix> but yea they've done the multiple controller thing before and it wasn't super great
2017-01-11T01:47:21  * karlp just tried connecting a ps4 to his computer monitor. monitor turned off.
2017-01-11T01:47:25 < karlp> hooray
2017-01-11T01:47:33 < karlp> I tell you what though, prices for monitors doesn't seem to have changed at all.
2017-01-11T01:48:09 < upgrdman> karlp, ? 4k monitors are getting cheaper in the usa
2017-01-11T01:48:22 < upgrdman> 4k60 IPS 24" for $300
2017-01-11T01:48:23 < ohsix> heheh output copy protection
2017-01-11T01:48:30 < upgrdman> 4k60 IPS 32" for $450
2017-01-11T01:48:36 < ohsix> sony walks a fine line and risks people having to buy new tv's
2017-01-11T01:48:41 < upgrdman> 4k60 TN 24" for $200
2017-01-11T01:48:45 < upgrdman> etc
2017-01-11T01:50:17 < sync_> idk, I have no problems with a flat setup
2017-01-11T01:50:36 < upgrdman> flats fine with me. if the curves one can get rid of the aweful glare i might consider them
2017-01-11T01:50:38 < englishman> karlp: hdmi?
2017-01-11T01:50:51 < englishman> doesnt that have anti-copy protection shits
2017-01-11T01:51:00 < englishman> HDCP
2017-01-11T01:51:09 < sync_> I have used multiscreen 32" setups before LeelooMinai
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2017-01-11T01:51:40 < sync_> yes
2017-01-11T01:51:44 < sync_> but it is not an issue
2017-01-11T01:51:51 < sync_> you know, your eyes were made to refocus
2017-01-11T01:52:24 < stvn> stm32
2017-01-11T01:52:44 < karlp> englishman: yeah, seems it might just need to disable hdcp in the ps4,
2017-01-11T01:53:04 < karlp> but hdmi->vga> monitor was just blank, and hdmi->dvi->monitor made the monitor turn off.
2017-01-11T01:53:23 < sync_> why would you squint
2017-01-11T01:53:31 < karlp> entertaining buying a new monitor, but seems  like I get basically what I've already got for what I paid x years ago
2017-01-11T01:54:05 < karlp> have  to take the ps4 back tot he lounge to turn off the hdcp, will try that later.
2017-01-11T01:54:45 < karlp> I've got a pretty generic 22" 1920x1080 now,
2017-01-11T01:54:51 < karlp> colour's not great but it's totally reasonable
2017-01-11T01:55:14 < stvn> nice
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2017-01-11T01:55:39 < stvn> my 28" is 4k but my 55" is 1080p
2017-01-11T02:00:15 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, watch samsung demo videos. they flexible.
2017-01-11T02:00:29 < upgrdman> almost certainly made flat then glued to a curves backing
2017-01-11T02:00:39 < englishman> stvn: same but 24" and 40" lol
2017-01-11T02:01:20 < kakimir> what is the function called that only job is to pass the parameter to another function and return it's return?
2017-01-11T02:01:45 < englishman> set?
2017-01-11T02:02:04 < upgrdman> kakimir, middleman?
2017-01-11T02:02:09 < zyp> kakimir, apply?
2017-01-11T02:02:13 < kakimir> so that there might be different implementations of function and this function is just used to have one name for thing that can be done in many ways
2017-01-11T02:02:29 < upgrdman> function pointer
2017-01-11T02:02:29 < upgrdman> ?
2017-01-11T02:02:56 < ohsix> stvn makes a good point
2017-01-11T02:02:57 < stvn> :3
2017-01-11T02:03:15 < kakimir> okay dispatcher
2017-01-11T02:03:18 < kakimir> best yet
2017-01-11T02:03:24 < ohsix> trampoline
2017-01-11T02:03:27 < ohsix> wrapper
2017-01-11T02:03:38 < englishman> hamburger
2017-01-11T02:03:45 < BrainDamage> dispatcher, and if you have OOP you'd use a virtual function
2017-01-11T02:03:48 < kakimir> switch?
2017-01-11T02:03:51 < ohsix> 'apply' is good heheh but some other stuff is implied
2017-01-11T02:04:38 < zyp> oh, wait, apply is for unpacking arguments
2017-01-11T02:05:07 < ohsix> thunk, fixup
2017-01-11T02:05:28 < ohsix> stack manipulator
2017-01-11T02:06:06 < ohsix> combinator
2017-01-11T02:06:34 < BrainDamage> careful tough not adding too many layers of indirection "just in case", add them only as necessary or you end up with EnterpriseQualityCode
2017-01-11T02:07:02 < stvn> lel
2017-01-11T02:07:16 < ohsix> i remember thinking in terms of prohibitions back in the day, when i didn't know any better
2017-01-11T02:07:39 < ohsix> don't use goto you say, oh there are situations where it comes up but it is rare? well you better not do it
2017-01-11T02:09:23 < ohsix> once you're actually doing it and reading stuff all the time, there are tons of reasons a thing is bad, only a silly part that wouldn't really change the badness is related to goto, or too many wrappers
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2017-01-11T02:10:26 < kakimir> function relay?
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2017-01-11T02:11:50 < kakimir> bypass function?
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2017-01-11T02:12:30 < ohsix> 'if you look too closely, you will find problems' - life
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2017-01-11T02:17:37 < stvn> The MCB54110 board offers a rich set of interfaces including touch screen LCD, stereo CODEC, and Micro SD and is based on the new NXP LPC54114 device with dual-processor ARM Cortex-M4/Cortex-M0+. The LPC54000 series delivers improved power-efficiency with large supply voltage range and up to 512KB ROM/192KB RAM.
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2017-01-11T03:32:48 < ohsix> everyone in town being snowed in is affecting my internets
2017-01-11T03:33:12 < stvn> welcome Laurenceb 
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2017-01-11T03:50:59 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-01-11T03:51:01 < upgrdman> http://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/m/microchip-technology/serial-eerams
2017-01-11T03:51:08 < upgrdman> shame theyre i2c and only 1MHz
2017-01-11T03:51:20 < upgrdman> would be a nice cheap alternative for FRAM
2017-01-11T03:54:47 < ohsix> frump
2017-01-11T03:54:55 < ohsix> do you need the eeprom mirroring?
2017-01-11T03:55:28 < ohsix> i guess that's kind of neat for long term stabilityjunk
2017-01-11T03:55:52 < ohsix> you can probably initiate the mirroring and it's off by default or something
2017-01-11T04:03:49 < stvn> hi upgrdman 
2017-01-11T04:03:55 < upgrdman> stvn, hi
2017-01-11T04:04:15 < stvn> my pink leds are not pink enough
2017-01-11T04:04:25 < upgrdman> im sorry to hear that
2017-01-11T04:04:43 < stvn> is there a reputable source?
2017-01-11T04:04:48 < stvn> 3mm through hole shits
2017-01-11T04:04:51 < upgrdman> dunno
2017-01-11T04:04:55 < stvn> ding dongs 
2017-01-11T04:04:58 < upgrdman> mouser/digidick?
2017-01-11T04:09:14 < stvn> senpaisource(tm)
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2017-01-11T04:16:08 < ohsix> the loupe light i got has some boss white LEDs in it
2017-01-11T04:16:11 < ohsix> need to find some
2017-01-11T04:18:15 < zyp> dongs put some nice pink leds on my nfc readers
2017-01-11T04:18:20 < zyp> but those were smt
2017-01-11T04:18:47 < stvn> hmmm
2017-01-11T04:19:45 < ohsix> i'd like to put these on the 3d printer printheads if i could find where to buy them huhu
2017-01-11T04:23:59 < stvn> im gonna get really autistic
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2017-01-11T04:26:18 < ohsix> why
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2017-01-11T05:24:07 < upgrdman> any opengl pros in here? seems like glLineWidth() has a maximum. doesnt seem to be defined by khronos, so guessing it's vendor-defined? any way to query the max? on gtx1080 it seems to be 10ish.
2017-01-11T05:24:26 < upgrdman> (setting it to >10 just results in a line width of 10)
2017-01-11T05:24:46 < dongs> opengl, the standard that just cant fucking die
2017-01-11T05:24:51 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-01-11T05:25:00 < upgrdman> and webgl will make it immortal for sure
2017-01-11T05:25:24 < dongs> apparently,
2017-01-11T05:25:28 < dongs> glGetFloatv(GL_LINE_WIDTH_RANGE, lineWidth);
2017-01-11T05:25:43 < dongs> according to google(tm)
2017-01-11T05:26:00 < dongs> linewidth is array of float[2], 0 is min 1 is max.
2017-01-11T05:26:14 < dongs> such hacks
2017-01-11T05:26:31 < upgrdman> oh heh thanks
2017-01-11T05:27:10 < dongs> https://www.opengl.org/sdk/docs/man/html/glLineWidth.xhtml also notes at the bottom of this shit
2017-01-11T05:27:37 < dongs> apparently if  you alias it, there's no limit
2017-01-11T05:28:12 < dongs> er antialias whatever
2017-01-11T05:28:14 < dongs> SMOOTH
2017-01-11T05:28:19 < upgrdman> when in doubt, read the docs. fail on my part.
2017-01-11T05:28:24 < dongs> pretty much
2017-01-11T05:29:44 < ohsix> same for point sizes
2017-01-11T05:29:54 < ohsix> and lines can be not lines at different sizes
2017-01-11T05:30:06 < ohsix> so fi you want them to be consistent just draw them as quads with caps
2017-01-11T05:30:34 < ohsix> lines are sux though
2017-01-11T05:30:44 < ohsix> you have to worry about pixel centers and how they're sampled and shit
2017-01-11T05:31:21 < dongs> haha opengl.org has forums
2017-01-11T05:32:00 < dongs> https://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/forum.php whcih are actually active it looks
2017-01-11T05:32:47 < dongs> oo my SFX power suply is finally out for delivery
2017-01-11T05:32:51 < dongs> i can finish this fucking build
2017-01-11T05:34:43 < upgrdman> ohsix, got waveform view half working: http://farrellf.com/temp/waveform_view_test.jpg
2017-01-11T05:34:53 < upgrdman> inspired by http://farrellf.com/temp/cc2500spectrum.png
2017-01-11T05:35:08 < dongs> is this javaGL or something
2017-01-11T05:35:14 < dongs> what a waste
2017-01-11T05:35:16 < upgrdman> need to add the such amaze Flir iron color pallette tho
2017-01-11T05:35:22 < upgrdman> dongs, ya. jogl.
2017-01-11T05:38:54 < upgrdman> dongs, you might lol at this. louis repairing a micro sd card.  https://youtu.be/H9Apcy8GyIM?t=1136
2017-01-11T05:39:02 < dongs> yeah man, i pasted that shit yesterday
2017-01-11T05:39:04 < upgrdman> well louis's employee i guess
2017-01-11T05:39:05 < dongs> 2 hours of jerking off
2017-01-11T05:39:05 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-01-11T05:39:07 < dongs> also: it doenst work
2017-01-11T05:39:11 < upgrdman> nice
2017-01-11T05:39:14 < dongs> t> timecop: haw haw microsd recovery didn't work
2017-01-11T05:39:22 < dongs> ^ from a dude who watches ALL his shit
2017-01-11T05:39:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice
2017-01-11T05:39:56 < upgrdman> i thought youre timecop
2017-01-11T05:40:09 < ohsix> he is
2017-01-11T05:40:16 < upgrdman> ohsix, thx
2017-01-11T05:40:18 < dongs> yes hes talkin to me, 
2017-01-11T05:40:24 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-01-11T05:40:24 < dongs> i didnt paste all of nick
2017-01-11T05:40:30 < dongs> in fear of o6 spying
2017-01-11T05:40:37 < dongs> and autisming yet another channel to death
2017-01-11T05:41:12 < stvn> hi
2017-01-11T05:41:14 < upgrdman> dongs, o ok
2017-01-11T05:42:03 < upgrdman> hmm fuck this glLineWidth limit is going to fucking rape me. guess i should make a mesh with a cuntload of quads instead
2017-01-11T05:42:15 < dongs> upgrdman: or just make it antialiased line??
2017-01-11T05:42:24 < upgrdman> it is antialiased
2017-01-11T05:42:31 < upgrdman> despite the docs, it has a limit too :(
2017-01-11T05:42:31 < dongs> but it says if its antialiased theres no limit
2017-01-11T05:42:34 < dongs> lawl
2017-01-11T05:42:36 < upgrdman> LIES
2017-01-11T05:42:42 < upgrdman> welcome to opemgl
2017-01-11T05:42:47 < dongs> shoulda used directx, you FAGGOT
2017-01-11T05:43:04 < upgrdman> :)
2017-01-11T05:43:06 < dongs> or for this simple trash youre doing, direct2d/direxdraw or wahtever
2017-01-11T05:43:20 < dongs> im pretty fucking sure one of those is fully hardware accelerated for drawing
2017-01-11T05:43:22 < dongs> on a real OS
2017-01-11T05:43:24 < stvn> dongs, where do you find pink LED?
2017-01-11T05:43:42 < dongs> stvn: /msg chinagirl need pink leds, get reply few mins later.
2017-01-11T05:44:00 < dongs> upgrdman: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd370990(v=vs.85).aspx
2017-01-11T05:44:08 < stvn> too easy, thanks dongs
2017-01-11T05:44:31 < upgrdman> dongs, ya im sure thats nice. but i want to be cross-dickform
2017-01-11T05:44:51 < upgrdman> so i get all the pain that entails. lots of pain.
2017-01-11T05:45:02 < dongs> and a result that sucks on every platform
2017-01-11T05:46:10 < stvn> hmmm
2017-01-11T05:48:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: cairo?
2017-01-11T05:48:24 < dongs> stvn: have you looked on digikey
2017-01-11T05:48:26 < dongs> for 'pink led'
2017-01-11T05:48:31 < ohsix> there are probably other canvas packages
2017-01-11T05:48:35 < stvn> yeah i remember about 2 results
2017-01-11T05:48:54 < dongs> was one of htem from ROHM
2017-01-11T05:48:59 < upgrdman> ohsix, im using java and JOGL
2017-01-11T05:49:23 < dongs> upgrdman: watch o6 become google expert in a second
2017-01-11T05:49:30 < dongs> DOWNLOADING KNOWLEDGE...
2017-01-11T05:49:53 < upgrdman> its actually not bad, im just learning about how fucking awful gpu programming is. its like web dev... you have ~no control and pray that the gpu does what you want
2017-01-11T05:50:00 < stvn> http://www.digikey.com/products/en/optoelectronics/led-indication-discrete/105?k=pink%20led
2017-01-11T05:50:04 < stvn> more i guess
2017-01-11T05:50:25 < ohsix> upgrdman: ya you're just making another canvas library
2017-01-11T05:51:07 < upgrdman> ya i guess
2017-01-11T05:51:08 < stvn> rich man LED http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/lumex-opto-components-inc/SSL-LX5093PC/67-2062-ND/1842139
2017-01-11T05:51:36 < ohsix> The cairo API provides operations similar to the drawing operators of PostScript and PDF. Operations in cairo including stroking and filling cubic Bézier splines, transforming and compositing translucent images, and antialiased text rendering. All drawing operations can be transformed by any affine transformation (scale, rotation, shear, etc.)
2017-01-11T05:52:03 < upgrdman> ohsix, but is it gpu-accel'd?
2017-01-11T05:52:19 < ohsix> it can target gl
2017-01-11T05:52:29 < ohsix> buuuuuuut
2017-01-11T05:52:31 < dongs> EXPERT INTENSIFIES
2017-01-11T05:52:35 < upgrdman> ohsix, wonder how optim'd it is
2017-01-11T05:52:43 < ohsix> this is probably a false start cuz i dunno if you can get the bindings for windows or where you want them
2017-01-11T05:52:52 < dongs> whats he recommending you
2017-01-11T05:53:09 < upgrdman> cause i was just java2d and its just too fucking slow to NOT use the gpu. like i7-6700k cant do 4k60 ANYTHING
2017-01-11T05:53:15 < upgrdman> dongs, cairo
2017-01-11T05:53:22 < dongs> haha get the fuck out
2017-01-11T05:53:33 < dongs> that shit is software rendering all teh fucking way
2017-01-11T05:53:37 < dongs> its some opensores filth
2017-01-11T05:53:42 < ohsix> talk about instant expert
2017-01-11T05:54:20 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> ♪ jogl dongs, jogl dongs, all the fucking way ♪
2017-01-11T05:54:28 < upgrdman> fucking retarding leelooman
2017-01-11T05:54:34 < dongs> haha
2017-01-11T05:55:16 < dongs> leelooman cant read pas the "jo" part, reminds him of all those jackoff parties he attended in college before dropping out
2017-01-11T05:55:21 < dongs> past
2017-01-11T05:55:30 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-11T05:55:53 < ohsix> what you're doing is the slowest way to use a canvas tho
2017-01-11T05:56:09 < ohsix> if you didn't regen the context but used the panning and stuff, it could be faster
2017-01-11T05:56:15 < upgrdman> ohsix, ? im rendering gl_line_strip's
2017-01-11T05:56:31 < ohsix> that's not a canvas, you said java2d is slow
2017-01-11T05:56:36 < dongs> upgrdman: during GDQ, some M2F trans gamer mentioned "she" doesn't like anime, stream lost ~60k viewes
2017-01-11T05:56:55 < upgrdman> oh ya when using java2d it was like 6fps.
2017-01-11T05:57:08 < upgrdman> dongs, gdq?
2017-01-11T05:57:14 < stvn> now my cuckstomers want LED mods
2017-01-11T05:57:17 < dongs> some gaymer conference that was recent/now
2017-01-11T05:57:20 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-11T05:57:23 < dongs> games done quick
2017-01-11T05:57:26 < dongs> speedruns? or osmeshit
2017-01-11T05:57:31 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-11T05:57:45 < stvn> donations go to 'something autistic'
2017-01-11T05:57:49 < dongs> i didnt keep track obviously just watching for funny m2f tweets
2017-01-11T05:58:03 < upgrdman> ohsix, how would panning help if ~entire screen needs redraw? e.g. fft instead of just line chart
2017-01-11T05:58:56 < ohsix> it wouldn't
2017-01-11T05:59:11 < ohsix> that isn't the only thing you're drawing
2017-01-11T06:01:02 < dongs>   hm 4/8GiB nandflash is only like 2-3$ from chinagirl
2017-01-11T06:01:06 < dongs> gonna get some for trolling
2017-01-11T06:01:15 < ohsix> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/glitz/ kind of dead
2017-01-11T06:01:30 < stvn> okay
2017-01-11T06:01:37 < ohsix> another one might be skia
2017-01-11T06:02:16 < dongs> stvn: so your DJ pros wanna swap blue leds for pink?
2017-01-11T06:02:29 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-11T06:02:41 < dongs> and thety're the standard 5mm through-hole shitsR?
2017-01-11T06:02:48 < dongs> i think your only choice is that richled for $1.5/ea haha
2017-01-11T06:03:29 < stvn> 3mm but 5mm will fit fine
2017-01-11T06:03:43 < ohsix> it kind of blows you can't just use this stuff without a ton of up front work, because java
2017-01-11T06:04:08 < stvn> got some ebay reseller cuck's 3mm ones but they seem a little too purple
2017-01-11T06:04:19 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017TR6KGE you can thank me later
2017-01-11T06:05:38 < stvn> cheers!
2017-01-11T06:05:41 < upgrdman> why does this damn force the water to go up after going down  https://i.imgur.com/WPWaOc2.gifv
2017-01-11T06:05:45 < upgrdman> *dam
2017-01-11T06:06:34 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ya WHY
2017-01-11T06:06:36 < dongs> for show?
2017-01-11T06:06:37 < ohsix> so it doesn't dig itself into a huge hole
2017-01-11T06:06:46 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-01-11T06:06:48 < ohsix> shit happens at the bottom of dams and waterfalls yo
2017-01-11T06:06:54 < dongs> or to slow it down
2017-01-11T06:07:13 < ohsix> water may have been higher at some point in the past too
2017-01-11T06:07:14 < dongs> my dam-uneducated-guess
2017-01-11T06:08:12 < upgrdman> this reminds me of some of us in ##stm32   http://i.imgur.com/J9kWjF4.gifv
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2017-01-11T06:09:10 < ohsix> bonus
2017-01-11T06:09:19 < ohsix> that fruit they're eating smells like a rotting corpse
2017-01-11T06:10:29 < ohsix> anyways upgrdman !!111 it's called plunge pool erosion
2017-01-11T06:11:05 < ohsix> depending on where the dam was built, might have been extra silty or some special risk
2017-01-11T06:11:41 < upgrdman> ohsix, neat thx
2017-01-11T06:11:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/vb1v6iu.gifv
2017-01-11T06:13:15 < ohsix> dams are gr8 geoengineering projects
2017-01-11T06:13:37 < ohsix> a worthwhile thing to read about, cuz it doesn't take a lot of time heuoeuhruh
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2017-01-11T06:14:41 < ohsix> find out what dam it is tho, you can find out why they actually did it
2017-01-11T06:15:13 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/rlqajb4gnu8y.png
2017-01-11T06:19:52 < ohsix> looks like a common feature actually, lul; but what it looks like depends on the flow
2017-01-11T06:21:06 < ohsix> upgrdman: have you ever noticed there's like a whoel bunch of people that resent things are hard
2017-01-11T06:21:24 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-01-11T06:21:30 < ohsix> some even before they've put the work in to know the thing, they just don't like it
2017-01-11T06:21:44 < ohsix> projecting their difficulty onto the thing
2017-01-11T06:22:07 < upgrdman> what kind of faggot puts their keyboard on a stand like this   https://i.reddituploads.com/557c0782904944aab3cba5178eb56756?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=da595f0a6c9f24a1a19ee3e80388b5b9
2017-01-11T06:23:09 < stvn> reddit fag obvs
2017-01-11T06:23:53 < stvn> worse than the jews
2017-01-11T06:24:41 < ohsix> when it is in the way
2017-01-11T06:25:15 < ohsix> style or die and a lot of azn/rice car stuff
2017-01-11T06:25:20 < ohsix> think about it
2017-01-11T06:25:26 < ohsix> guy can't do it but he has the money to buy it
2017-01-11T06:25:42 < ohsix> who has a computer room on tile
2017-01-11T06:25:53 < ohsix> probably the only room his mom lets him have
2017-01-11T06:26:08 < ohsix> his shelves have feet to level them
2017-01-11T06:26:13 < ohsix> and yet they are not level
2017-01-11T06:29:22 < ohsix> https://boschung.com/en/detail-international/Product/50501-fast-fixed-automated-spray-technology nice scam
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2017-01-11T06:33:33 < ReadErr> aww did yall unignore each other? <3
2017-01-11T06:33:46 < upgrdman> lol  https://github.com/dxa4481/truffleHog
2017-01-11T06:34:01 < ohsix> ReadErr: who?
2017-01-11T06:34:15 < ReadErr> you and LeelooMinai 
2017-01-11T06:34:21 < ohsix> nope
2017-01-11T06:34:22 < stvn> no
2017-01-11T06:34:39 < ohsix> he's still more of a waste of time in my life than anything else, and i can't even see what he says
2017-01-11T06:35:15 < ReadErr> yea no shit, seems like it
2017-01-11T06:35:27 < ReadErr> oh heh that was @ LeelooMinai 
2017-01-11T06:35:43 < ReadErr> see how this could be confusing 
2017-01-11T06:35:52 < stvn> yes
2017-01-11T06:35:57 < ohsix> we get to use nicknames to address eachother cuz people don't know they're shitheads and should stfu
2017-01-11T06:37:20 < ReadErr> did you see that taboo yet ohsix 
2017-01-11T06:37:31 < ohsix> yea watching soon
2017-01-11T06:37:40 < ohsix> would be a few days ago but i thought it was half hour long
2017-01-11T06:38:10 < ReadErr> what is it, 1hr?
2017-01-11T06:38:18 < stvn> no rubber
2017-01-11T06:39:19 < ohsix> yea 55m
2017-01-11T06:39:27 < ReadErr> only like 7 eps
2017-01-11T06:39:46 < ohsix> i watched the first ep of the mythbusters search thing
2017-01-11T06:39:50 < ohsix> it is so sad
2017-01-11T06:40:04 < ohsix> reality show elimination format consumes all that is good
2017-01-11T06:40:36 < ReadErr> heh ya not even gonna bother with that
2017-01-11T06:40:53 < stvn> was it bigger than stephen's?
2017-01-11T06:41:24 < ohsix> sarah petkus was on it ... for one episode
2017-01-11T06:41:36 < ohsix> also HACKETT is in there
2017-01-11T06:41:54 < ohsix> so scattershot, that guy must talk a good game cuz he's so annoying to watch
2017-01-11T06:42:07 < ohsix> he's had multiple shows on science/discovery channel and they were all dreadful
2017-01-11T06:45:39 < ohsix> ReadErr: there's like an entire class of television personality that they can just put on tv and talk the exaggerated bullshit voice for these shows
2017-01-11T06:45:55 < ohsix> beyond television can't do anything good withotu someone who knows what they're doing reigning it in
2017-01-11T06:46:56 < ohsix> hard to watch any tv, even if it is the bestest goodest thing ever made, withotu having to feel a little defensive about the worst of it
2017-01-11T06:49:39 < ohsix> https://www.bestmadeco.com/ lul, finally, and spontaneously remembered the name of that company that makes stupid expensive shit
2017-01-11T06:50:02 < ohsix> shop like you're wes anderson
2017-01-11T06:50:20 < upgrdman> impressive  http://imgur.com/a/tk73f
2017-01-11T06:51:04 < ohsix> they have lots of stuff now lul, back in the day it was like one waxed jacket, a soap dish, and an axe
2017-01-11T06:51:30 < ohsix> upgrdman: haha
2017-01-11T06:51:33 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/rNC1Xhb.png?forcedesktop=1
2017-01-11T06:51:39 < ohsix> upgrdman: i bet that guy just bought the shirt
2017-01-11T06:51:51 < ohsix> tacticool
2017-01-11T06:52:58 < ohsix> i'd do that
2017-01-11T06:53:25 < ohsix> i don't have a youtube channel or the irony credentials to have a big dildo as a joke, but that is my opportunity to
2017-01-11T06:53:45 < dongs> ok thats pretty good
2017-01-11T06:54:45 < ReadErr> i miss the old junkyard wars
2017-01-11T06:55:15 < stvn> gcc user's car?
2017-01-11T06:55:23 < ohsix> 'dog poop escalator' -> an article about those photos, and an article from 2012 about it being human waste in SF
2017-01-11T06:55:34 < ohsix> ReadErr: you mean scrapheap challenge?????????????//// philistine!
2017-01-11T06:55:35 < ReadErr> stallman'd
2017-01-11T06:56:00 < ohsix> http://justice.gawker.com/the-streets-of-san-francisco-are-covered-in-human-shit-1679930931
2017-01-11T06:57:05 < stvn> famous peeedofile
2017-01-11T06:57:25 < ColdKeyboard> Any IC for measuring current from few uA to A range?
2017-01-11T06:57:38 < stvn> today: DJ spills drink down headphone jack
2017-01-11T06:57:49 < ColdKeyboard> Like INA216 or something like that? Or even better, if it hase voltage + current sensing, that's perfect
2017-01-11T06:58:17 < stvn> spensive
2017-01-11T06:58:43 < ColdKeyboard> lmao :)
2017-01-11T06:58:52 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: for what
2017-01-11T06:59:02 < ReadErr> ColdKeyboard: isnt it more about the shunt used vs the IC ?
2017-01-11T06:59:04 < ohsix> you need a shunt or the like to carry the measurement current
2017-01-11T06:59:20 < ohsix> if you want 'range' you sacrifice accuracy across the whole thing
2017-01-11T06:59:29 < ColdKeyboard> I want to sens current (and possibly voltage) 
2017-01-11T06:59:30 < ohsix> and there's thermal noise and stuff tha tis 'larger' at the lower end
2017-01-11T06:59:40 < ReadErr> ermmm well both use the ADC 
2017-01-11T06:59:50 < ColdKeyboard> For example I was thinking of using INA216 with 0.04 ohm shunt
2017-01-11T06:59:53 < ReadErr> unless you want an ADC?
2017-01-11T06:59:57 < ohsix> do the math
2017-01-11T07:00:04 < ohsix> do the meth
2017-01-11T07:00:23 < ohsix> i=v/r
2017-01-11T07:00:24 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCu_wd_bulw
2017-01-11T07:05:41 < ColdKeyboard> LeelooMinai: #1 I like microchip, so this looks nice. From your experience, is this chip good for uA up to A range?
2017-01-11T07:05:53 < ColdKeyboard> For example if shunt value is less than 0.1 ohm?
2017-01-11T07:06:44 < stvn> UNACCEPTABLE
2017-01-11T07:06:47 < stvn> 1 dead LED
2017-01-11T07:07:29 < ColdKeyboard> LeelooMinai: 404...
2017-01-11T07:08:55 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/application-note/an105fa.pdf
2017-01-11T07:09:32 < ohsix> also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_magnitude
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2017-01-11T07:09:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: if you let jizz gel sit does it creep into things?
2017-01-11T07:10:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, yes
2017-01-11T07:11:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, and ffs dont let it get on anything porus
2017-01-11T07:11:36 < upgrdman> i imagine it would be a great way to fuck up someone's carpet etc
2017-01-11T07:19:26 < stvn> niggin
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2017-01-11T07:42:41 < jpa-> good morning microcontrollers
2017-01-11T07:46:09 < dongs> microcontrolling my autism
2017-01-11T07:49:24 < emeb_mac> microcontrollers for microhands
2017-01-11T07:50:41 < emeb_mac> :D
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2017-01-11T07:58:23 < ohsix> upgrdman: huhuh no duh
2017-01-11T07:58:37 < ohsix> upgrdman: i wonder if it can get flux residue off pcbs
2017-01-11T07:58:56 < ohsix> way back in the day i got candle wax on carpet, that's the worst
2017-01-11T08:02:00 < ohsix> hi emeb_mac what's crackin'
2017-01-11T08:02:19 < emeb_mac> not a lot
2017-01-11T08:02:38 < ohsix> werd
2017-01-11T08:02:45 < emeb_mac> just watching the us interwebs melt down over alleged golden showers
2017-01-11T08:02:48 < ohsix> today was first legit, not go outside due to weather day
2017-01-11T08:02:57 < ohsix> huhuhuhuh ya i saw that, it's funny
2017-01-11T08:03:16 < ohsix> the funniest part is people saying that it is FALSE, and having no basis for it
2017-01-11T08:03:35 < ohsix> if you say it is either true or false you're wrong, but while it's floating around as a rumor it's kind of funny
2017-01-11T08:04:04 < emeb_mac> it's just the norm now - nothing is certain. everything is innuendo. believe what you want.
2017-01-11T08:04:13 < ohsix> so much 'intelligence' shit is out in the open cuz of the russian stuff, and news of him not attending briefings
2017-01-11T08:04:25 < ohsix> yea, what it is, is plausible
2017-01-11T08:04:36 < ohsix> but everything is plausible cuz he's such a dyed in the wool shithead
2017-01-11T08:04:55 < emeb_mac> now they learn that this is a double-edged sword
2017-01-11T08:05:23 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/818991083778494469
2017-01-11T08:05:32 < ohsix> maybe
2017-01-11T08:06:01 < ohsix> when you're sowing discourse i don't think you care, just like rj reynolds and people before them muddying science, while they extract a bit more time to do business
2017-01-11T08:06:53 < ohsix> yesterday i was thinking, there are a lot of people that could be said to have voted out of spite, to humiliate clinton
2017-01-11T08:07:28 < ohsix> there's a lot of hate nonsense going around, people that think the clintons killed a bunch of people, ran drugs
2017-01-11T08:07:47 < ohsix> the pizzagate shit wasn't even really new, they had a stable of people that already believed a lot of inane shit that would keep it going
2017-01-11T08:08:10 < emeb_mac> no longer any point to arguing
2017-01-11T08:08:21 < emeb_mac> people will believe any old shit
2017-01-11T08:08:28 < ohsix> yea
2017-01-11T08:08:37 < ohsix> it's really bizarre
2017-01-11T08:08:45 < ohsix> you sort of knew it but wouldn't believe it, kind of thing
2017-01-11T08:09:22 < ohsix> now 'reasons' people are horrible are plentiful, and well meaning, good faith people are entertaining some of them
2017-01-11T08:09:40 < ohsix> it's strange to me, like gambling is
2017-01-11T08:10:03 < emeb_mac> it's getting funner
2017-01-11T08:10:10 < ohsix> no matter how fleeting and hypothetical, you can promise something that can't happen and those people dont' care, they've already done all the hard work fucking their own brains up
2017-01-11T08:10:14 < emeb_mac> nothing to do but laugh
2017-01-11T08:10:28 < ohsix> and volunteer for human welfare organizations
2017-01-11T08:11:02 < ohsix> reliable rubes, when the political class pulls up funding for something, us bleeding heart dumbasses take up the slack and work for free
2017-01-11T08:11:41 < emeb_mac> Trump's Razor: "ascertain the stupidest possible scenario that can be reconciled with the available facts" and that answer is likely correct.
2017-01-11T08:12:40 < ohsix> people figuring out the concept of 'fake news', at least in the beginning to call things that were literally fake out, is interesting. don't think anyone 'trusted' the media per-se, but shit is weird when they're complicit and can be jerked around en-masse
2017-01-11T08:14:20 < emeb_mac> that'd be a slow day
2017-01-11T08:14:32 < ohsix> personally i didn't get the problem with cnn before, i didn't watch it, but it was the butt of all sorts of jokes and shit
2017-01-11T08:14:39 < ohsix> it's been made real
2017-01-11T08:15:02 < emeb_mac> coming up: 4 yrs of weekly clown shows.
2017-01-11T08:22:01 < ohsix> ReadErr: tom hardy is a boss, did you watch Bronson?
2017-01-11T08:22:12 < ohsix> emeb_mac: the fatigue thing is real
2017-01-11T08:22:22 < ohsix> i'm vaguely worried
2017-01-11T08:23:08 < ohsix> are people going to be smarter after all this or are they going to be more beligerant and defend more untruths
2017-01-11T08:27:50 < ohsix> then agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain
2017-01-11T08:27:51 < dongs> wow just had altidumb fuck up really nicely
2017-01-11T08:27:58 < ohsix> philosophy is still debated and discussed
2017-01-11T08:28:03 < dongs> tga to refill all pours and it filled entire screen disregarding all pour bounds
2017-01-11T08:28:09 < dongs> wtf piece of shit
2017-01-11T08:30:55 < emeb_mac> dongs: switch back to diptrace
2017-01-11T08:31:00 < emeb_mac> or better yet kicad
2017-01-11T08:31:24 < ohsix> i bumblefucked some kicad yesterday, it was weird
2017-01-11T08:31:43 < ohsix> on windows, you need to install git for windows circa ~2013 so it can access the online footprint repos
2017-01-11T08:31:55 < ohsix> but it still wasn't working due to some shit it does with the paths
2017-01-11T08:32:33 < ohsix> seems to be the same amoutna nd same type of work no matter what package you use heheh
2017-01-11T08:32:39 < ohsix> even if you're editing netlists in a text editor
2017-01-11T08:35:43 < ohsix> the ui is weird, with the selections and how stuff happens with one click and whatnot, it makes sense when you're moving copper around but it's still weird
2017-01-11T08:35:55 < ohsix> it works like the old EDA workstations in the 70s did :D
2017-01-11T08:36:02 < ohsix> +still
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2017-01-11T08:50:08 < ReadErr> ohsix: never heard of it
2017-01-11T08:54:32 < ohsix> ReadErr: it's great
2017-01-11T08:55:01 < ohsix> also funny thing about the juarez, 720p version was propered for a glitch like 5 years after it was released
2017-01-11T08:55:47 < ohsix>   Bronson.2008.PROPER.720p.BluRay.x264-PHOBOS  
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2017-01-11T09:16:26 < stvn> the altium experience
2017-01-11T09:17:36 < stvn> imagine a kicad and altium merger
2017-01-11T09:18:08 < dongs> kikecad experience: shit never works
2017-01-11T09:18:39 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-11T09:18:52 < stvn> or every 6 months the whole fucking thing changes
2017-01-11T09:19:13 < ohsix> 100% true if you go by the last year alone
2017-01-11T09:19:18 < ohsix> and not if you look too close
2017-01-11T09:19:25 < stvn> you are correct ohsix 
2017-01-11T09:19:54 < ohsix> if dongs asks about what, make it funny
2017-01-11T09:20:43 < stvn> i must steal altium
2017-01-11T09:21:16 < ohsix> ruboard bruv
2017-01-11T09:21:26 < ohsix> it sucks but they keep releasing the files and shit
2017-01-11T09:21:41 < stvn> must make a pioneer mod widget
2017-01-11T09:21:50 < ohsix> for wat
2017-01-11T09:23:04 < stvn> http://www.cdlens.com/jpg/2674.jpg
2017-01-11T09:23:08 < stvn> replace this with LCD
2017-01-11T09:25:15 < ohsix> ReadErr: the arsenic test with the glasses is cute
2017-01-11T09:26:28 < ohsix> stvn: oh, that looks like a neat project
2017-01-11T09:26:45 < ohsix> the displays can't be rejuvenated or refilled with gasses?
2017-01-11T09:27:14 < ohsix> if you had a kit to sell replacements, that's a bit o' money
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2017-01-11T09:27:30 < stvn> Upgrade, not replacement
2017-01-11T09:27:42 < ohsix> o
2017-01-11T09:27:54 < stvn> i shall render some fat cocks
2017-01-11T09:28:00 < ohsix> id' assumed people would only replace those types of displays if they broke
2017-01-11T09:28:10 < ohsix> they are oldschool cool
2017-01-11T09:28:53 < stvn> i shall include a game of swastika tetris and holocaust trivia as standard
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2017-01-11T09:30:50 < stvn> the mother fukkin ddos king
2017-01-11T09:31:02 < ohsix> h3h
2017-01-11T09:31:18 < ohsix> if you made a swap kit you could ask people to send in the perished/old displays and refurb them
2017-01-11T09:32:41 < dongs> replace with oled
2017-01-11T09:33:22 < stvn> sure
2017-01-11T09:34:12 < stvn> first i must figure out what type of sputnik this serial interface speaks
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2017-01-11T09:36:23 < ohsix> you have one on hand?
2017-01-11T09:36:33 < ohsix> do you want to replace just the vfd or the module it plugs into
2017-01-11T09:43:15 < ReadErr> ohsix: did you hear about weev getting raped by jullian assange ?
2017-01-11T09:44:49 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6b20xDruo8
2017-01-11T09:45:02 < ReadErr> unfortunate 
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2017-01-11T09:46:01 < stvn> Spirit532, can i have the files now
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2017-01-11T10:11:12 < dongs> has the paki delivered Spirit532's project yet
2017-01-11T10:16:33 < Spirit532> he asked for 15 days
2017-01-11T10:18:53 < ReadErr> are u freelancing a kickstarter?
2017-01-11T10:19:15 < Spirit532> wat
2017-01-11T10:20:34 < ohsix> something something if your time was worthless something something
2017-01-11T10:21:38 < ReadErr> i dubo what hes doing
2017-01-11T10:22:14 < ohsix> he was trying to get someone to do dma for 100$
2017-01-11T10:23:02 < ReadErr> lol
2017-01-11T10:23:12  * ReadErr scratches head
2017-01-11T10:23:45 < ReadErr> 100$ and 15 days?
2017-01-11T10:24:04 < ReadErr> is it something crazy
2017-01-11T10:24:12 < ohsix> nope
2017-01-11T10:24:33 < ohsix> nobody was willing to do it for 100$ tho and he was evasive / dumb about it
2017-01-11T10:24:38 < ReadErr> arent there like over 9000 dma examples
2017-01-11T10:25:50 < ohsix> yes but nothing got to that point
2017-01-11T10:26:24 < jpa-> IIRC it was like "use team viewer to debug why my DMA doesn't work"
2017-01-11T10:27:17 < ReadErr> and nobody here would take it? lol
2017-01-11T10:28:29 < ohsix> guess you had to be there
2017-01-11T10:28:32 < dongs> not enough stoners
2017-01-11T10:28:36 < dongs> and o6 is all talk
2017-01-11T10:28:38 < dongs> and no action
2017-01-11T10:30:15 < ohsix> dongs needs a bit more ohsix time, he's wayyyyyyyy off in the weeds, it was funny when he was close to correct
2017-01-11T10:30:55 < ReadErr> You need an alternative nick to type that stuff under
2017-01-11T10:31:06 < ohsix> sub tweeting
2017-01-11T10:31:24 < dongs> what stuff
2017-01-11T10:31:50 < ohsix> nah that's just for me, don't expect him to see it
2017-01-11T10:32:24 < ohsix> what is a 'tangle', saw paper for tangle pattern grammar / generator on twatter
2017-01-11T10:33:26 < ohsix> http://pellacini.di.uniroma1.it/publications/gtangle16/gtangle16-paper.pdf
2017-01-11T10:33:26 < ReadErr> dongs: messages ohsix says to you
2017-01-11T10:33:26 < dongs> oh
2017-01-11T10:33:27 < dongs>     2 ohsix: ALL
2017-01-11T10:33:27 < dongs>     3 *ohsix*!*@*: ALL
2017-01-11T10:33:27 < dongs> its gonna take more than just a nick
2017-01-11T10:33:27 < dongs> i think he tried the nick stuff before
2017-01-11T10:33:27 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-11T10:33:28 < dongs> autism too strong wiht this one
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2017-01-11T10:38:49 < ohsix> mxplayer/es file manager sure is being a dingus
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2017-01-11T10:58:18 < Ecco> Hey
2017-01-11T10:58:36 < Ecco> I'm reading an LDO datasheet and I have some issues understanding one characteristic
2017-01-11T10:58:41 < Ecco> What's the quiescent current of an LDO?
2017-01-11T10:58:45 < ohsix> which
2017-01-11T10:58:54 < ohsix> eh that's with it turned off / no load
2017-01-11T10:59:02 < dongs> how much it uses to be on
2017-01-11T10:59:02 < ohsix> is there an enable pin?
2017-01-11T10:59:14 < Ecco> Yes, there is
2017-01-11T10:59:29 < Ecco> Ok, dongs answer makes sense, thanks dongs
2017-01-11T10:59:43 < Ecco> because the datasheet says "consumes less than 0.01μA in shutdown mode"
2017-01-11T10:59:48 < Ecco> and also "quiescent current = 90 uA"
2017-01-11T10:59:54 < dongs> correct.
2017-01-11T10:59:58 < dongs> when its shutdown its not d oing much
2017-01-11T11:00:04 < dongs> when its running, its consuming 90uA.
2017-01-11T11:00:08 < Ecco> So the quiescent current is pretty much related to the efficiency of the LDO
2017-01-11T11:00:16 < ohsix> sort of
2017-01-11T11:00:20 < Ecco> thanks dongs, that makes perfect sense
2017-01-11T11:00:23 < Ecco> Thanks a lot
2017-01-11T11:00:25 < dongs> no, the efficiency is same as any linear regulator = crap
2017-01-11T11:00:31 < Ecco> well yeah
2017-01-11T11:00:34 < dongs> it just means how much more energy its wasting to do its thing
2017-01-11T11:00:37 < Ecco> because Iin = Iout
2017-01-11T11:00:48 < Ecco> well actually I guess Iout = Iin - Iq
2017-01-11T11:02:55 < Ecco> thanks a lot :)
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2017-01-11T11:05:37 < Spirit532> you people are all sorts of fucked up
2017-01-11T11:05:42 < Spirit532> I explained exactly what I needed
2017-01-11T11:05:48 < Spirit532> apparently nobody can read
2017-01-11T11:09:51 < ohsix> i was here
2017-01-11T11:09:59 < zyp> if the problem is everybody else, maybe the problem is you
2017-01-11T11:10:07 < ohsix> where did you get stuck? post the code and reference the documentation, so i can read it to you
2017-01-11T11:10:10 < dongs> who you talkin about
2017-01-11T11:10:18 < dongs> SPICrit532?
2017-01-11T11:10:24 < zyp> got him ignored too?
2017-01-11T11:10:28 < dongs> haha no
2017-01-11T11:10:32 < dongs> hes my best pal <3
2017-01-11T11:10:42 < zyp> heh
2017-01-11T11:12:41 < jpa-> Spirit532: we did read and concluded that you are being silly :)
2017-01-11T11:13:02 < jpa-> since then, everyone is just hoping for more fun stuff from you
2017-01-11T11:13:09 < jpa-> not sure if we can wait 15 days
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2017-01-11T11:14:43 < jadew``> http://www.kingston.com/us/company/press/article/48472
2017-01-11T11:15:27 < ohsix> sillybuggers
2017-01-11T11:15:58 < jpa-> it fits only 64 backups? that sucks
2017-01-11T11:15:58 < dongs> why
2017-01-11T11:16:02 < dongs> that looks fucking retarded
2017-01-11T11:16:07 < ohsix> hudhufh
2017-01-11T11:16:21 < ohsix> i wish it was easy to figure out how much they overprovision flash in a thing like that
2017-01-11T11:18:04 < jadew``> it does hehe
2017-01-11T11:22:58 < ohsix> it's probably samsung flash
2017-01-11T11:23:11 < ohsix> they had a thing a few months back about 3d terabit flash sizes
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2017-01-11T11:29:00 < ohsix> just think
2017-01-11T11:29:15 < ohsix> in 10 years 2tb won't be enough for use de-jure
2017-01-11T11:29:37 < ohsix> this machine sometimes reminds me of win95 on only 8mb of ram back in the day, because it's only got 4gb in it
2017-01-11T11:33:14 < jpa-> ohsix: de-jure? what kind of law is that?
2017-01-11T11:34:11 < ohsix> oh haww
2017-01-11T11:34:50 < dongs> jpa-, if you got time to chat with o6, surely you got time to get paid for FPGA :)
2017-01-11T11:34:54 < ohsix> hm
2017-01-11T11:35:03 < ohsix> i was thinking of the faddy word
2017-01-11T11:35:06 < dongs> (((just trolling)))
2017-01-11T11:35:24 < jpa-> dongs: work doesn't allow me to do other work, but wasting time on irc is fine ;)
2017-01-11T11:35:31 < dongs> haha
2017-01-11T11:35:36 < dongs> cunts.
2017-01-11T11:35:47 < ohsix> i wonder if every single person i've ever seen use the term was doing it wrong
2017-01-11T11:36:01 < jpa-> but i'll switch to own company this year, so no more irc time then :P
2017-01-11T11:36:14 < ohsix> nice, doing what?
2017-01-11T11:36:25 < jpa-> freelancing on ##stm32 of course
2017-01-11T11:36:38 < ohsix> sweet
2017-01-11T11:36:57 < ohsix>   Boutade \Bou*tade"\, n. [F., fr. bouter to thrust. See {Butt}.]
2017-01-11T11:37:02 < ohsix> will i!
2017-01-11T11:38:18 < dongs> maybe Spirit532 will finally get his STM32 DMA solved
2017-01-11T11:38:52 < ohsix> yep i can't find people using de/du-jure the way i thought i'd seen it read before
2017-01-11T11:39:02 < ohsix> it's kind of used flippantly to talk about stuff like pokemon go
2017-01-11T11:39:16 < ohsix> as 'mobile game de-jure' but shrug
2017-01-11T11:39:27 < jpa-> maybe you are thinking of de facto?
2017-01-11T11:39:46 < ohsix> http://grammarist.com/usage/du-jour/
2017-01-11T11:39:48 < ohsix> found it
2017-01-11T11:40:00 < jpa-> ah
2017-01-11T11:40:02 < ohsix> trendy is a better way to relate it than 'fad'
2017-01-11T11:40:31 < ohsix> i wonder how old i'll be when i start feeling bad about being wrong about something
2017-01-11T11:40:47 < ohsix> hehehe i liked when someone told me what you're was when i was like 12!
2017-01-11T11:41:40 < ohsix> it is the 'your fly is open' of the internet, and it surely can be zipped
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2017-01-11T11:48:34 < stvn> Spirit532, can i have the files now
2017-01-11T11:51:43 < stvn> i have my arduino and kicad ready to go Spirit532 
2017-01-11T11:51:50 < Spirit532> you can go die
2017-01-11T11:52:03 < stvn> yes i will, that is certain!
2017-01-11T11:53:30 < kOStiX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk5Ri1sVOAk&feature=youtu.be
2017-01-11T11:53:41 < kOStiX> just recorded this little test improvisation on my synths
2017-01-11T11:59:18 < stvn> Spirit532, are you here to do anything other than whine about nobody doing your homework?
2017-01-11T11:59:31 < Spirit532> certainly
2017-01-11T11:59:34 < Spirit532> if you stop bugging me about it
2017-01-11T11:59:56 < stvn> i guess i could go and do something constructive
2017-01-11T12:02:31 < ohsix> kOStiX: nice
2017-01-11T12:02:44 < ohsix> is one an arpreggiator?
2017-01-11T12:02:50 < ohsix> arpeggiator
2017-01-11T12:02:51 < ohsix> hrm
2017-01-11T12:03:00 < kOStiX> sort of
2017-01-11T12:03:43 < kOStiX> i enable the arpegiator on the left one, at moments
2017-01-11T12:03:45 < ohsix> sequencers on top of sequencers
2017-01-11T12:03:51 < ohsix> oic
2017-01-11T12:03:52 < kOStiX> on the right there is another kind of deal
2017-01-11T12:04:40 < kOStiX> the different high pitched timbres are actually different outputs from an R-2R dac
2017-01-11T12:04:56 < kOStiX> selection of which is sequenced to midi clock
2017-01-11T12:04:57 < ReadErr> has anyone done anything with lepton and stm32?
2017-01-11T12:05:48 < ohsix> Spirit532 has
2017-01-11T12:05:52 < ohsix> sort of, ha ha
2017-01-11T12:06:09 < Spirit532> ReadErr, I've done some with the v2
2017-01-11T12:06:12 < Spirit532> but not v3
2017-01-11T12:06:26 < ReadErr> im just getting started 
2017-01-11T12:06:30 < ReadErr> but stuck on one part...
2017-01-11T12:06:36 < Spirit532> which is?
2017-01-11T12:06:37 < Spirit532> lol
2017-01-11T12:06:38 < ReadErr> DMA
2017-01-11T12:06:43 < Spirit532> nice.
2017-01-11T12:06:44 < ohsix> OH SHIT DAWG
2017-01-11T12:06:47 < ohsix> haha
2017-01-11T12:06:48 < Spirit532> you can die in a fire too.
2017-01-11T12:06:54 < ReadErr> ahhahaha
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2017-01-11T12:07:12 < ohsix> master stroke
2017-01-11T12:07:18 < ReadErr> he hbt
2017-01-11T12:07:25 < dongs> you suck
2017-01-11T12:07:43 < jpa-> ReadErr is just waiting to clone spirit's stuff :)
2017-01-11T12:07:50 < dongs> yeha
2017-01-11T12:07:59 < ReadErr> lol nah I axed someone what he was doing
2017-01-11T12:08:09 < jpa-> i know
2017-01-11T12:08:34 < ohsix> buh
2017-01-11T12:08:53 < ohsix> would it be offensive to use a TRS jack and trs cables instead of midi ones
2017-01-11T12:09:07 < kOStiX> they use that stuff in arturia devices
2017-01-11T12:09:10 < kOStiX> miniplug 3.5mm
2017-01-11T12:09:12 < kOStiX> for midi
2017-01-11T12:09:20 < ohsix> oh huh neat
2017-01-11T12:09:22 < dongs> eh?
2017-01-11T12:09:23 < ohsix> yea i see that now
2017-01-11T12:09:25 < dongs> really?
2017-01-11T12:09:25 < kOStiX> "eurorack friendly"
2017-01-11T12:09:27 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-11T12:09:31 < dongs> i thought midi was that huge DIN5 or wahtever shit
2017-01-11T12:09:39 < ohsix> it is, and it sucks shit
2017-01-11T12:09:47 < ohsix> i don't want to buy them or put them in cases huhuhu
2017-01-11T12:09:55 < dongs> https://www.midi.org/articles/3-5mm-mini-stereo-cables-to-midi-5-pin-din
2017-01-11T12:09:55 < dongs> this?
2017-01-11T12:10:08 < ohsix> cool gonna do that then
2017-01-11T12:10:09 < ReadErr> haha this convo is a clusterfuck with ignore
2017-01-11T12:10:13 < kOStiX> yah something like that
2017-01-11T12:10:41 < ohsix> i ordered a midi to trs cable, but it was for a german analog audio thing and didn't carry midi
2017-01-11T12:10:51 < ohsix> seller was selling it as a midi to trs cable but it has the wrong pinout
2017-01-11T12:11:05 < ohsix> chances are the one pictured in that article is wrong too :D
2017-01-11T12:11:25 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_connector#Analog_audio
2017-01-11T12:11:47 < ohsix> gonna get a 3m midi cable and cut it in half, trs, boom two midi cables that don't suck
2017-01-11T12:12:15 < ohsix> i have all the shit, i wanna hack at something that beeps
2017-01-11T12:13:58 < ohsix> cool, the guy that was selling them changed his listings to have a wiring diagram
2017-01-11T12:15:27 < kOStiX> i have some cable converters that come with the arturia beatstep pro, miniplug to female midi din5
2017-01-11T12:15:38 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-5m-5-Pin-Din-MIDI-Plug-To-3-5mm-Jack-Stereo-plug-Audio-Cable-50cm-007231-/381007569402?hash=item58b5d221fa:g:opUAAOSwm8VUvA25 this guy/these
2017-01-11T12:16:14 < kOStiX> just confirmed, the wiring on the page is correct
2017-01-11T12:16:52 < ohsix> the ones dongs posted or on that ebay listing?
2017-01-11T12:17:01 < ohsix> with pins at top, it should be the top 3
2017-01-11T12:17:19 < kOStiX> yeah the one dongs posted: https://www.midi.org/articles/3-5mm-mini-stereo-cables-to-midi-5-pin-din
2017-01-11T12:17:28 < ohsix> ah k cool, will follow convention
2017-01-11T12:17:43 < kOStiX> midi connector is as looking at the front of the female connector
2017-01-11T12:17:53 < kOStiX> the jack with 5 joles
2017-01-11T12:17:56 < kOStiX> holes
2017-01-11T12:18:44 < ohsix> so the instruments from that company, you just use regular 1/4 stereo parts between them? and the adapters to get 'outside'
2017-01-11T12:19:04 < stvn> nice work ReadErr lol
2017-01-11T12:19:15 < kOStiX> https://www.arturia.com/images/products/beatstep-pro/detail-back-beatsteppro.png
2017-01-11T12:19:31 < kOStiX> they got all the stuff on 3.5mm miniplug hehe
2017-01-11T12:19:37 < kOStiX> at least on this thing i got
2017-01-11T12:19:40 < kOStiX> dunno others
2017-01-11T12:19:51 < kOStiX> here its midi and control voltage outputs
2017-01-11T12:20:14 < ohsix> word
2017-01-11T12:20:22 < kOStiX> and yeah, can use regular 3 wire plug to plug
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2017-01-11T12:20:46 < ohsix> DIN sucks balls, i wonder why people don't mod their shit and use different cables
2017-01-11T12:20:51 < ReadErr> stvn: it was too easy :(
2017-01-11T12:21:05 < ohsix> k gonna chill, f'd my shoulder up 2 nights in a row
2017-01-11T12:21:23 < stvn> oh well
2017-01-11T12:21:35 < stvn> i need to find my poverty logic
2017-01-11T12:21:56 < ReadErr> grind2shine
2017-01-11T12:22:01 < stvn> saleae logic
2017-01-11T12:22:02 < ReadErr> hustle2eat
2017-01-11T12:22:08 < ReadErr> ah that
2017-01-11T12:29:16 < stvn> bungers
2017-01-11T12:29:47 < ohsix> did anyone else buy the dell ssd dongs posted?
2017-01-11T12:29:51 < ohsix> dell cancelled the order
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2017-01-11T12:33:54 < ohsix> wouldn't have checked if i didn't need to register at midi.org to get the specs
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2017-01-11T12:37:55 < Ecco> I'm sleeping an STM32 and it still draws ~3mA
2017-01-11T12:38:04 < dongs> put it to standby
2017-01-11T12:38:15 < Ecco> ok
2017-01-11T12:38:19 < Ecco> what's the difference ?
2017-01-11T12:38:25 < dongs> turns everything off
2017-01-11T12:38:36 < Ecco> Currently I'm pretty much issuing a WFE instruction)
2017-01-11T12:40:03 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: seems like I fucked up :)
2017-01-11T12:40:05 < Ecco> Thanks :)
2017-01-11T12:40:43 < Ecco> well wait
2017-01-11T12:40:51 < stvn> welcome back Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-11T12:40:53 < Ecco> (that's some code I wrote a while ago, I need to freshen up my memory a little)
2017-01-11T12:41:29 < stvn> i want my dog logic unit
2017-01-11T12:41:35 < stvn> have to go for a drive
2017-01-11T12:41:53 < dongs> WAIFU_PILLOW instruction
2017-01-11T12:42:02 < Ecco> ok wait, standby flushes the SRAM and the program counter?
2017-01-11T12:42:08 < dongs> of course
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2017-01-11T12:42:14 < dongs> wake up = reset basically
2017-01-11T12:42:21 < Ecco> ok
2017-01-11T12:42:23 < dongs> you can keep some state in BKP ram if you want
2017-01-11T12:42:30 < Ecco> ok, I remember that
2017-01-11T12:42:57 < Ecco> Not what I want to do then
2017-01-11T12:44:11 < Ecco> I think stop mode is what I'm after
2017-01-11T12:45:35 < Ecco> The datasheet says Stop mode is 75uA max
2017-01-11T12:47:24 < Ecco> Ok there's definitely something wrong if I draw 3mA, that's just way too high
2017-01-11T12:52:36 < kOStiX> try disabling everything before standby or something like that
2017-01-11T12:52:45 < dongs> have you confirmed the current draw on a board with just the MCU on it?
2017-01-11T12:52:56 < dongs> do you have shit like i2C pullups etc?
2017-01-11T12:54:08 < Ecco> ok, those are all good suggestions
2017-01-11T12:54:14  * Ecco is back to the workbench :)
2017-01-11T12:54:16 < Ecco> thanks!
2017-01-11T12:56:39  * karlp laughs at readerr (better late than never)
2017-01-11T12:56:49 < Kliment> Ecco: It's usually a periph clock that's enabled and drawing current
2017-01-11T12:57:06 < Kliment> Ecco: Also, set unused pins to analog mode
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2017-01-11T13:03:25 < Ecco> I thought STOP mode would automagically turn off all periph clocks
2017-01-11T13:03:40 < Ecco> I'm curious about the analog mode too
2017-01-11T13:03:47 < Ecco> what's about that?
2017-01-11T13:04:25 < karlp> go read the ref man dude
2017-01-11T13:04:43 < karlp> or the app note on low power applications of stm32s
2017-01-11T13:04:54 < karlp> this comes up _regularly_ with your questions.
2017-01-11T13:04:59 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-11T13:05:12 < dongs> dangers of AIN on F4-style GPIO tho
2017-01-11T13:05:13 < karlp> there's explicit notes on why you set unused pins to analog mode, it's not some hidden secret wisdom
2017-01-11T13:05:20 < dongs> you can easily lose SWD that way
2017-01-11T13:05:33 < dongs> on F1 i had a loop that just set GPIOA,B,C etc to AIN
2017-01-11T13:05:43 < Thorn> STOP stops the PLL and assuming you're using it most periph clocks will be derived from it
2017-01-11T13:05:45 < dongs> repeated same shit on F4 and got promptly disconnected :D
2017-01-11T13:06:58 < karlp> dongs: you just set the whole ports to AIN?!
2017-01-11T13:07:04 < dongs> yes
2017-01-11T13:07:07 < karlp> soudnsd like you fired the cannon at your own feet then :)
2017-01-11T13:07:08 < dongs> on F1 it works fine
2017-01-11T13:07:40 < karlp> f1 gpio was insane though
2017-01-11T13:08:06 < Ecco> I locked myself out of SWD several times
2017-01-11T13:08:17 < Ecco> an easy workaround is to boot to integrated bootloader
2017-01-11T13:08:29 < Ecco> by tweaking BOOTn pins
2017-01-11T13:08:51 < dongs> or just connect while holding reset
2017-01-11T13:10:00 < Ecco> That works?
2017-01-11T13:10:06 < Ecco> How?
2017-01-11T13:10:46 < Thorn> the st-link utility even has a checkbox "connect under reset"
2017-01-11T13:10:52 < stvn> i might get a fake Saleae logic dog
2017-01-11T13:10:54 < Ecco> oh, never used this one
2017-01-11T13:11:08 < Ecco> thanks karlp, I'm reading AN4365 :)
2017-01-11T13:11:11 < stvn> cause i cbfed going to my other hole to get my 1
2017-01-11T13:12:43 < Ecco> I still don't get it though, it does indeed say "Stop mode: The Cortex-M4 core is stopped and the clocks are switched off (the PLL, the HSI and the HSE are disabled)."
2017-01-11T13:13:06 < Ecco> If PLL/HSI/HSE are disabled, wouldn't automatically all the peripherals be off too?
2017-01-11T13:15:06 < dongs> correct
2017-01-11T13:15:17 < dongs> i have a F4 on blank PCB that draws like 20uA in stop mode.
2017-01-11T13:15:29 < dongs> F401 that is
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2017-01-11T13:17:52 < jadew> I think I found it
2017-01-11T13:17:58 < jadew> cinnamon
2017-01-11T13:18:04 < stvn> ?
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2017-01-11T13:18:33 < jadew> the desktop environment I've been looking for
2017-01-11T13:18:35 < dongs> some lunix trash
2017-01-11T13:18:41 < dongs>  /ignore jadew 
2017-01-11T13:18:46 < jadew> haha
2017-01-11T13:19:04 < jadew> it's pretty good, it has windows style window switching, nice task bar
2017-01-11T13:19:34 < jadew> the application menu doesn't seem to have any nasty bugs
2017-01-11T13:20:37 < stvn> well that's great.
2017-01-11T13:21:17 < stvn> have you tried windows 10?
2017-01-11T13:21:24 < jadew> heh
2017-01-11T13:21:47 < stvn> senpai uses it
2017-01-11T13:22:01 < jadew> it's not windows 10, but it's more polished than the other stuff I tried
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2017-01-11T13:30:21 < jadew> teoidsjafi
2017-01-11T13:30:40 < jadew> sorry, I'm trying to figure out how the spellchecker works in this text based IRC client
2017-01-11T13:31:12 < dongs> it doesnt
2017-01-11T13:31:32 < jadew> yeah...
2017-01-11T13:42:39 < stvn> fuck
2017-01-11T13:43:16 < jadew> what?
2017-01-11T13:43:41 < stvn> those dirty embedded niggers
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2017-01-11T14:06:27 < ReadErr> lol jadew stil dicking with linux
2017-01-11T14:07:53 < jadew> yeah, but I think the dicking is over
2017-01-11T14:07:57 < stvn> you read it here
2017-01-11T14:08:23 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/VUX1BwP.jpg
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2017-01-11T14:16:50 < stvn> now i just need to stick it in
2017-01-11T14:17:06 < dongs> whats this
2017-01-11T14:17:22 < stvn> want to figure out how that screen talks
2017-01-11T14:17:39 < dongs> oh i thought you were joking
2017-01-11T14:17:47 < stvn> it may amuse me
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2017-01-11T14:24:35 < stvn> brother Laurence
2017-01-11T14:24:49 < Wewuzkangz> greetings
2017-01-11T14:25:00 < Wewuzkangz> I'm b&  :(
2017-01-11T14:25:01 < stvn> thanks for coming in such short notice
2017-01-11T14:25:28 < Wewuzkangz> I've been binging on tendies
2017-01-11T14:25:33 < stvn> same
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2017-01-11T14:50:39 < Wewuzkangz> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html
2017-01-11T14:50:47 < Wewuzkangz> irl lolling
2017-01-11T14:51:31 < dongs> tl;dr
2017-01-11T14:51:50 < Wewuzkangz> Trump paid hookers to golder shower obamas bed
2017-01-11T14:52:18 < dongs> I prefer this version http://i.imgur.com/pVGaZ7z.jpg
2017-01-11T14:52:53 < Wewuzkangz> cant work out whats real any more...
2017-01-11T14:52:59 < Emilgardis> Hey guys!
2017-01-11T14:53:03 < karlp> the cake is real right? right?!
2017-01-11T14:54:14 < Emilgardis> I have a mcu (M451) and I need to test an elf for correctness, I don't however have a devboard and qemu doesn't support it
2017-01-11T14:54:35 < dongs> isnt that YOU again
2017-01-11T14:54:40 < dongs> keil has simulator
2017-01-11T14:54:40 < Emilgardis> It's me!
2017-01-11T14:54:44 < dongs> also its just cortex -m
2017-01-11T14:54:50 < karlp> "correctness" ?
2017-01-11T14:55:04 < Emilgardis> I'm not sure I did the startup right
2017-01-11T14:55:10 < Emilgardis> need to see register values
2017-01-11T14:55:25 < Emilgardis> interpreting the compiled asm hurts my brain
2017-01-11T14:55:37 < dongs> dude, why not use startup from that keil pack
2017-01-11T14:55:45 < dongs> also why did you do startup in asm anyway
2017-01-11T14:55:47 < dongs> not like its needed
2017-01-11T14:55:54 < Emilgardis> I can guess that it works, I'm not sure though
2017-01-11T14:56:02 < Emilgardis> dongs: It's compiled from rust
2017-01-11T14:56:17 < karlp> wanking in space
2017-01-11T14:56:43 < dongs> from... what
2017-01-11T14:56:55 < Emilgardis> ;)
2017-01-11T14:57:10 < Emilgardis> I'll show you the objdump
2017-01-11T14:58:01 < dongs> no thanks. also it should probably be trivial to make qemu boot with a new cortex-m target.
2017-01-11T14:58:11 < dongs> you wont get far but at least you can define peripheral/etc ranges and step through it and see.
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2017-01-11T15:00:20 < ReadErr> Wewuzkangz: what did you do to get banned hun?
2017-01-11T15:00:33 < Wewuzkangz> I know right
2017-01-11T15:00:35 < Wewuzkangz> wtf
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2017-01-11T15:04:42 < Emilgardis> Oops
2017-01-11T15:04:46 < Emilgardis> dongs: http://pastebin.com/4jEaUmrb
2017-01-11T15:05:20 < Emilgardis> at the bkpts is what I want to see if it is doing correctly
2017-01-11T15:06:57 < Emilgardis> I need to write 59h, 16h and 88h to 0x400000100
2017-01-11T15:17:43 < Wewuzkangz>  Apparently 4chan mailed fanfiction to pundit rick wilson about trump making people piss on the bed, and he fell for it 
2017-01-11T15:18:25 < Emilgardis> sauce?
2017-01-11T15:21:06 < Wewuzkangz> 4chan...
2017-01-11T15:21:14 < Wewuzkangz> dunno if I believe this but its funny anyway
2017-01-11T15:22:02 < karlp> Emilgardis: what are you trying to do? how is dissasmebling anything meant to prove anything?
2017-01-11T15:22:10 < karlp> what sort of "correctness" are you trying to prove?
2017-01-11T15:22:41 < karlp> what sort of stuff are you trying to do in startup that you need to verify?
2017-01-11T15:27:06 < Emilgardis> I need to write 59h, 16h and 88h in sequence to 0x400000100
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2017-01-11T15:28:12 < Emilgardis> But I think it is correct, I got stuck on what `str r0, [r5, #0]`
2017-01-11T15:28:19 < Emilgardis> but I think I've got it now
2017-01-11T15:29:23 < Emilgardis> on what ... did
2017-01-11T15:29:26 < Emilgardis> *
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2017-01-11T16:16:21 < karlp> Emilgardis: you just want https://paste.fedoraproject.org/525645/44173148/
2017-01-11T16:16:30 < karlp> why are you buries in "validating .elf files" ?
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2017-01-11T16:26:22 < Emilgardis> karlp: I know, but I want to try and do this in pure rust
2017-01-11T16:27:17 < Emilgardis> but I'm probably going to replace my current unlock with that or with pure asm
2017-01-11T16:28:28 < karlp> pretty sure any unsafe mode in rust doesn't count as pure, but whatever floats your boat.
2017-01-11T16:29:24 < Emilgardis> well, it's llvm intrinsics that is making it wierd
2017-01-11T16:29:55 < Emilgardis> and I guess rust HIR
2017-01-11T16:31:24 < karlp> Emilgardis: the answers here even look like nuvoton answers: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35009015/how-do-i-write-to-a-memory-mapped-address-in-rust
2017-01-11T16:32:13 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/NeruNox/status/819130825501511681
2017-01-11T16:33:26 < Emilgardis> heh
2017-01-11T16:37:48 < Emilgardis> Did something change in python 3.6?
2017-01-11T16:38:10 < Emilgardis> Or why is almost all of my tools that use python misbehaving?
2017-01-11T16:40:58 < Ecco> Hmm, ok, so for some reason I can't put that STM32 into STOP mode
2017-01-11T16:41:26 < Ecco> WFE or WFI puts in in SLEEP
2017-01-11T16:41:45 < Thorn> set the DEEPSLEEP bit
2017-01-11T16:41:50 < Ecco> but no matter what I write to 0xE000ED10, it won't go in STOP
2017-01-11T16:44:39 < Ecco> That's the proper address, right? STM32F4
2017-01-11T16:44:46 < Ecco> I'm supposed to write 0x4 to 0xE000ED10
2017-01-11T16:45:47 < Thorn> PWR->CR &= (uint32_t)~(PWR_CR_PDDS | PWR_CR_LPDS); SCB->SCR |= SCB_SCR_SLEEPDEEP_Msk; __SEV(); __WFE(); __WFE();
2017-01-11T16:46:53 < Ecco> ok
2017-01-11T16:47:00 < Ecco> I'm not doing anything with PWR_CR
2017-01-11T16:47:02 < Ecco> Lemme check that
2017-01-11T16:47:06 < Ecco> also, what's __SEV?
2017-01-11T16:47:35 < Thorn> magic chant
2017-01-11T16:47:42 < Ecco> :-D
2017-01-11T16:49:39 < Wewuzkangz> inb4 "that looks like Laurenceb code"
2017-01-11T16:52:37 < kakimir> what is flag for MSVC environment?
2017-01-11T16:52:52 < kakimir> *define
2017-01-11T16:58:43 < kakimir> :|
2017-01-11T16:58:44 < Thorn> ok so apparently SEV sets the event flag (to be sure that it is set), first WFE clears it and continues, second WFE actually triggers sleep
2017-01-11T16:59:06 < Thorn> this way you 100% enter sleep after the second WFE
2017-01-11T16:59:40 < Thorn> that's why the 3 instructions
2017-01-11T17:02:42 < karlp> Wewuzkangz: what are you talking about? it has spaces in it
2017-01-11T17:03:34 < Thorn> there is over a shitton of info on sleep modes in Yiu btw (at least the 2nd edition of the m0 book)
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2017-01-11T17:12:41 < Tectu> Laurenceb, ping
2017-01-11T17:13:16 < Wewuzkangz> pong
2017-01-11T17:14:11 < Wewuzkangz> wut?
2017-01-11T17:14:39 < Tectu> wait, wut
2017-01-11T17:14:43 < Tectu> did Laurenceb go nickchange?
2017-01-11T17:14:53 < Wewuzkangz> Laurenceb nickname is b&
2017-01-11T17:15:31 < Tectu> I need matlab help. How do I select either of the two 'ans' in this case:  http://paste.ugfx.io/show/3fc6cc4820
2017-01-11T17:15:33 < Wewuzkangz> feenode blocks "literallyhitler"
2017-01-11T17:15:39 < Wewuzkangz> looking
2017-01-11T17:16:09 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: looks like ban is gone?
2017-01-11T17:16:17 < ReadErr> Wewuzkangz
2017-01-11T17:16:33 < Wewuzkangz>  {1}
2017-01-11T17:16:38 < Wewuzkangz> I think
2017-01-11T17:16:49 < Tectu> no
2017-01-11T17:16:50 < Tectu> >> c.DigitalInput.Value{1}
2017-01-11T17:16:50 < Tectu> Expected one output from a curly brace or dot indexing expression, but there were 2 results.
2017-01-11T17:16:54 < Wewuzkangz> wtf
2017-01-11T17:17:03 < Tectu> yeah I know, right?
2017-01-11T17:17:27 < englishman> dongs, did (((rossman))) censor your comment
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2017-01-11T17:18:26 < ReadErr> dongs: 10:16:56 AM <@l0deradio> what's the name for japanese mother son hentai
2017-01-11T17:18:42 < Wewuzkangz> typical stm32 question
2017-01-11T17:19:27 < englishman> too bad there are no ops in this chan
2017-01-11T17:20:22 < ReadErr> englishman: i made some guy ragequit earlier lol
2017-01-11T17:20:25 < Wewuzkangz> Tectu: whats does fieldnames tell you?
2017-01-11T17:21:08 < Wewuzkangz> you could also try cell2mat
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2017-01-11T17:24:33 < Tectu> Wewuzkangz, http://paste.ugfx.io/show/d926055bd6
2017-01-11T17:26:30 < Wewuzkangz> thats v odd, I dont know
2017-01-11T17:26:48 < englishman> yay opensores - openvpn 2.4 of course changed some shit in the commandline, one option is no longer used, instead of ignoring it, it breaks and sends a useless message to log
2017-01-11T17:26:56 < Wewuzkangz> do you have the source for the function that creates the stuff?
2017-01-11T17:27:10 < Tectu> Wewuzkangz, no, it's just a JSON I get from a RESTful service
2017-01-11T17:27:21 < Wewuzkangz> oh
2017-01-11T17:27:28 < Wewuzkangz> lol this makes sense then
2017-01-11T17:27:29 < Tectu> Wewuzkangz, http://paste.ugfx.io/show/db6ac46ad1
2017-01-11T17:27:37 < Tectu> Wewuzkangz, and that gets parsed into structs by methlab
2017-01-11T17:27:43 < Wewuzkangz> yeah I've had rage inducing issues with json import
2017-01-11T17:27:56 < Wewuzkangz> I'm not sure it even works properly lol
2017-01-11T17:28:05 < Tectu> just tell me how to make it work
2017-01-11T17:28:25 < Tectu> btw,  R2016b (the latest greatest) has jsonencode() and jsondecode()
2017-01-11T17:28:35 < Tectu> but I already have the struct so... how the fuck do I access the value?
2017-01-11T17:28:45 < Wewuzkangz> I run GNU Octave where possible
2017-01-11T17:28:50 < Wewuzkangz> cuz freetard
2017-01-11T17:28:53 < Tectu> you're not being helpful
2017-01-11T17:29:03 < Wewuzkangz> I know, I hardly use those features
2017-01-11T17:29:24 < Wewuzkangz> and when I have its been horribly broken with the sort of weirdness you have
2017-01-11T17:29:33 < Tectu> how to workaround?
2017-01-11T17:29:42 < Wewuzkangz> iirc I had to write a shell script to fuxor with the json
2017-01-11T17:30:15 < Tectu> Wewuzkangz, holy shit what is happening???? http://paste.ugfx.io/show/3f79696228
2017-01-11T17:30:39 < Tectu> what, this is a double but with two fields in the struct?!
2017-01-11T17:30:53 < Wewuzkangz> perplexing
2017-01-11T17:30:58 < Wewuzkangz> what should the value be?
2017-01-11T17:31:14 < Tectu> 1 or 0 
2017-01-11T17:31:27 < Wewuzkangz> lul
2017-01-11T17:31:47 < Wewuzkangz> so the json is giving list of poss values?
2017-01-11T17:32:09 < Wewuzkangz> and you want to grab the poss values as a vector?
2017-01-11T17:33:01 < Tectu> never mind, matlab uninstaller is running
2017-01-11T17:33:10 < Wewuzkangz> heh
2017-01-11T17:33:27 < Wewuzkangz> matlab gui gives me eye cancer
2017-01-11T17:34:21 < Tectu> your nick gives me eye cancer
2017-01-11T17:34:47 < Wewuzkangz> and thats a _good_ thing
2017-01-11T17:35:03 < Tectu> what did you do to get quiet'ed again?
2017-01-11T17:35:44 < Wewuzkangz> dunno but I seem to be permabanned
2017-01-11T17:35:49 < Tectu> good.
2017-01-11T17:35:53 < Wewuzkangz> lulz
2017-01-11T17:35:56 < Tectu> stop posting crap, seriously
2017-01-11T17:36:01 < englishman> ^
2017-01-11T17:36:01 < Wewuzkangz> epin bantz
2017-01-11T17:37:29 < PaulFertser> Hm, seems like the manual doesn't mention that read flash protection also protects Unique ID but it looks like that's actually the case with f1.
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2017-01-11T17:44:38 < ReadErr> Wewuzkangz: its on ur ip noobcakes
2017-01-11T17:44:52 < ReadErr> hostname
2017-01-11T17:45:04 < ReadErr> you can change ur nick
2017-01-11T17:45:31 < Wewuzkangz> b& 4 evar
2017-01-11T17:45:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/xMtvykJ.png
2017-01-11T17:46:08 < Wewuzkangz> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a7/c7/9d/a7c79d6561038cfc81f996c29255b3c1.jpg
2017-01-11T17:58:00 < Ecco> damn, I'm still struggling with this stop mode issue
2017-01-11T17:58:11 < Ecco> Actually, I *think* my device is not in stop mode but only sleep
2017-01-11T17:58:15 < ReadErr> i2c?
2017-01-11T17:58:26 < Ecco> I'm not doing any I2C (supposedly)
2017-01-11T17:58:40 < Ecco> I'm using an ammeter to measure power consumption
2017-01-11T17:58:44 < kakimir> this visual studio thing doesn't like if I put precompiled header include between ifdef and endif
2017-01-11T17:58:58 < ReadErr> oh like shutdown/sleep ?
2017-01-11T17:58:59 < ReadErr> ic
2017-01-11T17:59:00 < Ecco> and in sleep mode I measure 1.5 mA
2017-01-11T17:59:04 < kakimir> in this case #ifdef _MSC_VER
2017-01-11T17:59:06 < ReadErr> lol buy a calculator bro 
2017-01-11T17:59:11 < Ecco> which seems like a reasonable solution :)
2017-01-11T17:59:23 < Ecco> If I try to enter stop mode
2017-01-11T17:59:31 < Ecco> I still measure 1.5 mA
2017-01-11T17:59:52 < Ecco> so I assume it's just not stopping but sleeping instead
2017-01-11T18:00:01 < Ecco> I have swd attached, but it doesn't seem to change anything if I unplug it
2017-01-11T18:00:49 < PaulFertser> Ecco: you need to power-cycle too.
2017-01-11T18:01:13 < Ecco> hmm, let me see
2017-01-11T18:01:24 < PaulFertser> Ecco: at least with OpenOCD the debug regions are getting enabled during sleep the first time you attach. And just detaching hardware lines doesn't change the registers.
2017-01-11T18:01:40 < Ecco> Yeah I'm using OpenOCD (who wouldn't)
2017-01-11T18:02:02 < Ecco> let me googl" debug regions"
2017-01-11T18:02:42 < PaulFertser> Ecco: DBGMCU_CR register on stm32f1
2017-01-11T18:02:49 < Ecco> great thanks
2017-01-11T18:03:28 < karlp> hey look, in case kikecad wasn't good enough: http://librepcb.org/
2017-01-11T18:03:33 < PaulFertser> Ecco: you can override examine-end event in your local openocd.cfg after sourcing the target config if you want to disable that.
2017-01-11T18:03:43 < Ecco> ok, very interesting
2017-01-11T18:03:46 < Ecco> thanks PaulFertser!!!
2017-01-11T18:05:18 < PaulFertser> Ecco: got sane figure now?
2017-01-11T18:05:40 < Ecco> I don't know, I'm giving it a try :)
2017-01-11T18:06:46 < kakimir> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7801690/why-do-i-get-compilation-errors-after-i-conditionally-include-stdafx-h how to go around this?
2017-01-11T18:07:15 < kakimir> I want the project to compile in gcc without any changes
2017-01-11T18:09:33 < Ecco> PaulFertser: ok, it's getting better
2017-01-11T18:09:40 < Ecco> So now I do measure a difference
2017-01-11T18:09:44 < Ecco> but it's still high
2017-01-11T18:09:53 < Ecco> Sleep mode -> 1.6 mA (doesn't look so bad)
2017-01-11T18:09:59 < Ecco> Stop mode -> 0.7 mA
2017-01-11T18:10:11 < Ecco> So half as big, but still huge compared to what I would expect (maybe 0.1 mA)
2017-01-11T18:10:18 < Ecco> Maybe my ammeter isn't that accurate though?
2017-01-11T18:10:46 < englishman> can someone explain the difference between cadence allegro, cadence orcad, cadence allegro ECAD, cadence allegro EDM, cadence allegro PCB Librarian, cadence allegro design entry capture
2017-01-11T18:10:50 < englishman> in 500 words or less
2017-01-11T18:11:30 < Ecco> Manufacturer says it's accurate at 10uA though
2017-01-11T18:11:43 < Ecco> By the way, what gear do you guys use to measure small currents like those?
2017-01-11T18:12:08 < Thorn> Ecco: wrong range?
2017-01-11T18:15:35 < Lux> seems like those gd32 really are binary compatible to stm32. just flashed a stm32f031 firmware on a gd32f130 and it just works
2017-01-11T18:15:52 < Lux> even though it's m0 vs m3
2017-01-11T18:17:29 < Thorn> m0 code will run on m3
2017-01-11T18:17:58 < Thorn> by design (but not vice versa)
2017-01-11T18:18:03 < Tectu> m3 code will run on m7
2017-01-11T18:18:07 < Tectu> by design (but not vice versa)
2017-01-11T18:18:16 < Tectu> just in case of anybody cares - good to know.
2017-01-11T18:21:46 < englishman> lol librepcb
2017-01-11T18:21:59 < englishman> Key Features
2017-01-11T18:21:59 < englishman> Cross-platform
2017-01-11T18:22:02 < englishman> thats not a feature
2017-01-11T18:32:47 < Ecco> Thorn: that's something that had happened to me before, but here it should be good. I have 10A, 200ma and 20mA range
2017-01-11T18:32:50 < Ecco> I'm on 20mA
2017-01-11T18:33:04 < Thorn> a new America is born https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV4DsSKkl7Q
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2017-01-11T18:35:13 < Ecco> I wonder how good that ammeter is
2017-01-11T18:35:19 < Ecco> Maybe I should get another one, just to make sure
2017-01-11T18:35:24 < Ecco> What model would you guys recommend?
2017-01-11T18:36:39 < kakimir> can I do anything similar like this in portability header file "uint32_t popcount32(uint32_t parameter) = __popcnt;"
2017-01-11T18:36:58 < kakimir> it says popcount32 lacks definition
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2017-01-11T18:37:40 < kakimir> have second line and popcount32 = __popcnt; =
2017-01-11T18:37:42 < kakimir> ?
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2017-01-11T18:40:37 < kakimir> oh I need a funtion pointer maybe..
2017-01-11T18:41:00 < Lux> Ecco: for small currents the µCurrent seems like a nice tool, but rather expensive
2017-01-11T18:41:17 < Lux> problem with multimeters is that the burden voltage usually is pretty high
2017-01-11T18:42:09 < Ecco> Interesting
2017-01-11T18:42:13 < Ecco> what's the burden voltage?
2017-01-11T18:42:53 < Ecco> oh I see
2017-01-11T18:43:07 < Ecco> it's the voltage drop that the multimeter uses to measure the current
2017-01-11T18:43:34 < kakimir> uint32_t (*popcount32)(uint32_t) = __popcnt; did the trick
2017-01-11T18:45:46 < Lux> Ecco: exactly
2017-01-11T18:47:15 < Ecco> ok, makes sense
2017-01-11T18:48:06 < Ecco> Hmm, it's weird
2017-01-11T18:48:14 < Ecco> just touching the wires of my ammeter a little bit changes the result
2017-01-11T18:48:29 < Ecco> Should an average ammeter be able to read sub 1mA currents?
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2017-01-11T18:49:59 < Lux> usually yes
2017-01-11T18:50:08 < Ecco> ok
2017-01-11T18:50:23 < Lux> if it's accurate is another question, but it's all specified in the spec sheet
2017-01-11T18:50:26 < Ecco> Yeah
2017-01-11T18:50:37 < Ecco> Well the spec sheet says it's accurate up to 10uA
2017-01-11T18:50:41 < Ecco> But I have doubts
2017-01-11T18:50:53 < Ecco> Anyway, it probably doesn't hurt to get another multimeter
2017-01-11T18:50:56 < Lux> just the burden resistance will be like 50 ohms or so in that range
2017-01-11T18:51:04 < Lux> brymen multimeters are nice imo
2017-01-11T18:51:22 < Ecco> ok
2017-01-11T18:51:35 < Lux> not too pricy, but the quality is comparable to fluke
2017-01-11T18:52:29 < Ecco> ok
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2017-01-11T18:57:02 < Thorn> brymen should pay a commission to ##stm32
2017-01-11T19:06:38 < Ecco> Argh
2017-01-11T19:06:47 < Ecco> Fluke 87V looked nice
2017-01-11T19:06:52 < Ecco> -> $600
2017-01-11T19:06:53 < Ecco> :-(
2017-01-11T19:08:18 < Ecco> 250€ on ebay
2017-01-11T19:09:56 < Ecco> Would that seem like a good purchase?
2017-01-11T19:10:29 < Ecco> I mean, it is given for a 0.01uA resolution
2017-01-11T19:10:36 < karlp> fuck fluke.
2017-01-11T19:10:50 < karlp> trademarking yellow => burn in consumer hell
2017-01-11T19:11:35 < Steffanx> Heil Brymen or what karlp?
2017-01-11T19:11:38 < Ecco> :-D
2017-01-11T19:13:24 < karlp> anyone but fluke
2017-01-11T19:13:32 < Ecco> ok :-D
2017-01-11T19:13:39 < Ecco> So which Brymen would be the best?
2017-01-11T19:13:48 < karlp> the one that meets your needs and wallet.
2017-01-11T19:14:09 < Ecco> Their catalog is awful to read
2017-01-11T19:14:31 < karlp> then go buy your fluke
2017-01-11T19:14:46 < Ecco> :-D
2017-01-11T19:14:50 < Ecco> Well 250€ doesn't seem so bad
2017-01-11T19:14:59 < Ecco> For a 0.01uA resolution
2017-01-11T19:15:08 < karlp> there's like a thousand meter makers too
2017-01-11T19:15:11 < Thorn> Ecco: 869s or 867s
2017-01-11T19:15:35 < Ecco> ok
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2017-01-11T19:16:21 < Ecco> thanks
2017-01-11T19:16:33 < Ecco> Sells for 181€
2017-01-11T19:16:37 < Ecco> I'll have a look
2017-01-11T19:16:51 < Ecco> Also does 0.01uA
2017-01-11T19:17:12 < kakimir> my guru uses gossen metrawatt
2017-01-11T19:17:37 < Ecco> Sorry, 220€
2017-01-11T19:17:42 < Ecco> pretty much the same price as the Fluke then
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2017-01-11T19:27:38 < englishman> aandrew: beep
2017-01-11T19:29:32 < englishman> breaking news: ##stm32 bro breaks amateur HAB duration record https://twitter.com/akadamson/status/819137588527304704
2017-01-11T19:30:57 < kakimir> interesting
2017-01-11T19:31:02 < kakimir> who made it?
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2017-01-11T19:33:28 < englishman> a adamson 
2017-01-11T19:34:23 < aandrew> englishman: yo
2017-01-11T19:34:37 < englishman> hey, do you have a phone number for markham stencil bros
2017-01-11T19:34:43 < englishman> stencilsunlimited.com isnt picking up the phone
2017-01-11T19:34:49 < aandrew> yes I think so
2017-01-11T19:34:49 < englishman> and i need to order like today
2017-01-11T19:34:51 < aandrew> let me check
2017-01-11T19:34:52 < englishman> thx
2017-01-11T19:35:53 < aandrew> hm no, only mailto:support@stencilsunlimited.com
2017-01-11T19:35:59 < englishman> okey dokey
2017-01-11T19:36:11 < englishman> there's nothing on their site to indicate they have any canadian affiliation
2017-01-11T19:36:20 < englishman> and the only markham stencillers i could find was stentech
2017-01-11T19:36:24 < aandrew> hang on something is fishy here
2017-01-11T19:36:30 < englishman> so i called their quebec branch just in case
2017-01-11T19:36:34 < aandrew> yeah I've used stentech as well
2017-01-11T19:36:37 < aandrew> but no that's not these guys
2017-01-11T19:36:40 < englishman> ok
2017-01-11T19:36:41 < aandrew> hang on though
2017-01-11T19:36:44 < englishman> thanks
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2017-01-11T19:37:20 < aandrew> I'm so sorry
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2017-01-11T19:38:03 < aandrew> Ambrose Cheng. Stenciltronics. 431 Alden Rd, Unit 13, Markham (905) 477-9883 x18
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2017-01-11T19:38:12 < englishman> Stenciltronics nice
2017-01-11T19:38:28 < aandrew> I totally sent you on a wild goose chance
2017-01-11T19:38:32 < englishman> lol yeah
2017-01-11T19:39:04 < englishman> also
2017-01-11T19:39:10 < englishman> it appears their name is Stentronics
2017-01-11T19:40:54 < aandrew> jesus fuck did I *still* fuck it up
2017-01-11T19:41:03 < aandrew> I did
2017-01-11T19:41:11 < aandrew> I have a good excuse for today at least
2017-01-11T19:41:15 < aandrew> I was just on the return flight from hell
2017-01-11T19:41:25 < aandrew> been up since ~9am yesterday with only fits of sleep
2017-01-11T19:41:40 < aandrew> flew from punta cana to atlanta. ~40m late taking off but nothing crazy
2017-01-11T19:41:50 < aandrew> atlanta to buffalo flight though
2017-01-11T19:42:04 < aandrew> aborted landing in buffalo due to high (85+kt) cross winds
2017-01-11T19:42:16 < aandrew> diverted us to detroit after faffing about in the sky for 40m
2017-01-11T19:42:24 < aandrew> landed in detroit, sat on tarmac for about a half hr
2017-01-11T19:42:32 < aandrew> then they refuelled and FUCKING FLEW US BACK TO BUFFALO
2017-01-11T19:42:45 < aandrew> attempted second landing... aborted it, flew us all back to fucking detroit
2017-01-11T19:43:06 < aandrew> we were supposed to land in buffalo at 11pm. we finally got off the plane in detroit at 3:30am
2017-01-11T19:43:24 < aandrew> they then told us "we're gonna call this a delayed flight, and we take off at 9am" AT 3:30AM
2017-01-11T19:43:47 < aandrew> I'm like fuck no, I got small kids, I'm not sitting around in an airport for 6h with nowhere to lie down
2017-01-11T19:43:53 < aandrew> they won't pull our checked luggage
2017-01-11T19:44:03 < aandrew> but they do tell me they'll courier it to my house in canda from buffalo
2017-01-11T19:44:06 < aandrew> so fine, we're outta here
2017-01-11T19:44:09 < aandrew> go rent a car
2017-01-11T19:44:22 < aandrew> oh sorry, it's fucking detroit auto week, there isn't a car to be rented ANYWHERE
2017-01-11T19:44:27 < aandrew> nor is ther a hotel for the same reason
2017-01-11T19:44:40 < aandrew> my wife manages to get them to give us a tiny Kia for 5 people, 2 in booster seats
2017-01-11T19:44:51 < aandrew> so at 6:30am we drove from detroit home (4h)
2017-01-11T19:45:30 < aandrew> we still have to drive the rental to buffalo to pick up our car and drive that back home though
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2017-01-11T19:45:51 < englishman> lol
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2017-01-11T19:45:54 < englishman> vacations are hard
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2017-01-11T19:46:19 < englishman> and you're still on yours!
2017-01-11T19:51:52 < aandrew> no I'm not
2017-01-11T19:51:54 < aandrew> I'm at the office
2017-01-11T19:52:14 < englishman> o you gotta go back
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2017-01-11T19:59:03 < aandrew> hm?
2017-01-11T19:59:11 < aandrew> gotta go back to buffalo to get the car we drove there, yes
2017-01-11T19:59:14 < englishman> yea
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2017-01-11T20:13:33 < Kliment> Just watched the xobs talk about bitbanging USB on the cheapest m0+
2017-01-11T20:14:02 < gxti> if ardweenies can do it why not glorious people's stm32
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2017-01-11T20:14:18 < Kliment> he does a clever thing to work around the huge number of breakpoints needed in inline functions if you set them from a debugger
2017-01-11T20:15:06 < Kliment> He triggers the breakpoint from code, so the breakpoint call gets inlined as well
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2017-01-11T20:25:46 < Thorn> say you need to hire an embedded developer and someone comes to you and says "I bitbanged USB!"
2017-01-11T20:25:47 < Thorn> would you hire them?
2017-01-11T20:26:09 < zyp> «that's cool, are you able to do useful stuff too?»
2017-01-11T20:27:20 < englishman> "this is a janitorial position.... that's great for you tho"
2017-01-11T20:28:22 < BrainDamage> I'd ask first why.jpg
2017-01-11T20:28:30 < BrainDamage> with . and jpg spelled irl
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2017-01-11T21:11:41 < aandrew> gxti: because teh glorious people's STM32 has actual USB hardware. you odn't have to dick around 
2017-01-11T21:12:19 < gxti> you know aside from all the dicking around that you have to do anyway
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2017-01-11T21:12:38 < Thorn> are there no-data IN control transfers?
2017-01-11T21:14:56 < Kliment> Thorn: I'd say it demonstrates a good ability to implement stuff from messy and opaque specs
2017-01-11T21:15:48 < Rickta59> are they using that state matchine timer thing on an nxp? If they can figure that stuff out maybe they are useful
2017-01-11T21:18:13 < Kliment> Rickta59: It's a freescale part I think
2017-01-11T21:18:19 < englishman> holy shit fuck ARROW
2017-01-11T21:19:46 < Rickta59>  * i was thinkin SCT on those lpc8xx chips
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2017-01-11T21:21:29 < fenugrec> Thorn IIRC yes, but it's asking for trouble
2017-01-11T21:22:17 < Thorn> what is the semantics? "send me 0 bytes"?
2017-01-11T21:22:27 < Wewuzkangz> bitbang usb on stm32...
2017-01-11T21:23:08 < fenugrec> Thorn not necessarily - something like "Get_Status" where the status packet is FIFO'd over a bulk endpoint
2017-01-11T21:23:28 < fenugrec> so the meaning is "IN", but the data isn't going thru the control pipe
2017-01-11T21:24:02 < Thorn> what direction is the status stage and when does it happen (should be after the bulk tx is complete)?
2017-01-11T21:24:05 < fenugrec> but "been there, done that". At least with  libusb on Win7, it doesn't work at all. linux does, though
2017-01-11T21:24:43 < fenugrec> the control transfer happens and completes independantly of the bulk IN
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2017-01-11T22:49:31 < kakimir> I need to measure performance of the function in runtime in both win32 and in cortex m3 platform
2017-01-11T22:49:48 < kakimir> I obiviously need some start_timer stop_timer stuff
2017-01-11T22:50:01 < kakimir> anyone done this?
2017-01-11T22:52:25 < fenugrec> kakimir QueryPerformanceCounter, with some caveats (google), on M3 it should be easy - ready systick or whatever
2017-01-11T22:52:28 < fenugrec> *read systick
2017-01-11T22:53:22 < Steffanx> On cortex-m3 you can use the cycle counter
2017-01-11T22:53:26 < Steffanx> DWT_CYCCNT
2017-01-11T22:54:08 < kakimir> interesting
2017-01-11T22:54:31 < kakimir> i think I need to build some infrasturcture to unify this
2017-01-11T22:54:54 < kakimir> I need to name some header file.. what should it be called?
2017-01-11T22:55:01 < kakimir> performance.h ?
2017-01-11T22:55:08 < kakimir> DWT_CYCCNT
2017-01-11T22:55:50 < kakimir> okay this code may potentially be run on some m0 too
2017-01-11T23:11:25 < kakimir> I think I end up using tick
2017-01-11T23:11:38 < kakimir> I just run the thing ten million times
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2017-01-11T23:20:55 < kakimir> so that unification with win32 facilities are actually in coherence
2017-01-11T23:21:54 < aadamson> There isn't the DWT_CYCNT on the M0
2017-01-11T23:21:59 < aadamson> you may have to use a timer for it
2017-01-11T23:22:15 < kakimir> i use tick
2017-01-11T23:22:22 < kakimir> systick*
2017-01-11T23:23:28 < aadamson> ok, but usually you don't set systick to a really fast timer, maybe ms or something and it will have code over head in it... the other one on the M3/4 is a hardware counter you can read it's value from
2017-01-11T23:23:36 < aadamson> it's just harder (not impossible) on the M0
2017-01-11T23:24:20 < kakimir> 23:11 < kakimir> I just run the thing ten million times
2017-01-11T23:28:27 < Steffanx> Why.. "You can get our SDK, but you first have to buy a 1k dollar devkit" -_-
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2017-01-11T23:39:43 < kakimir> how does all that performance stuff go in modern computer when I run my code?
2017-01-11T23:40:17 < kakimir> one core goes full steam until sleep() or some other stuff?
2017-01-11T23:41:02 < kakimir> there might be some winapi switches how much the process gets process time
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2017-01-11T23:43:29 < kakimir> turbo frequencies are a concern because maxf = 900mhz and turbof = 2300mhz
2017-01-11T23:49:10 < kakimir> The resolution of the GetTickCount function is limited to the resolution of the system timer, which is typically in the range of 10 milliseconds to 16 milliseconds.
2017-01-11T23:49:15 < kakimir> wat?
2017-01-11T23:49:25 < kakimir> 10-16ms
2017-01-11T23:50:05 < kakimir> that's win32
2017-01-11T23:50:36 < kakimir> does the system itself know how much one tick is?
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2017-01-11T23:53:31 < fenugrec> kakimir did you not look at QueryPerformanceCounter
2017-01-11T23:53:39 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: Those are 12V lithium cells
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2017-01-11T23:55:33 < kakimir> fenugrec: yes going back to it after seeing what win32 systick is about
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2017-01-11T23:59:03 < karlp> huh, got a new set of blossom 18650 holders, different seller.  Came all individually wrapped.
2017-01-11T23:59:11 < karlp> also, totally different mould marks.
2017-01-11T23:59:20 < karlp> compatible, but completely not the same.
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2017-01-12T00:14:42 < kakimir> I wonder if QueryPerformanceCounter returns negative values
2017-01-12T00:14:57 < kakimir> 0 is error
2017-01-12T00:15:13 < kakimir> I assume timestamps are positive
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2017-01-12T00:19:44 < kakimir> no.. it meant actual return value not the variable in pointer
2017-01-12T00:19:46 < englishman> where's laurenceb I have a diesel question
2017-01-12T00:20:21 < kakimir> diesel engine question?
2017-01-12T00:31:38 < sync_> protip: don't misalign your TDIs timing belt by 1 tooth
2017-01-12T00:35:20 < kakimir> it went into shit?
2017-01-12T00:38:06 < kakimir> i didn't get that thing to free those bolts on timingbelt upper wheel and then do some tricks with timing markings
2017-01-12T00:39:14 < kakimir> I just threw the new belt and new suspension unit in and started building back the car around the engine
2017-01-12T00:39:37 < kakimir> after checking the teeth counts matched with old one
2017-01-12T00:41:22 < sync_> you need to adjust the start of injection quite closely for optimum performance
2017-01-12T00:43:54 < kakimir> if all 74kW are there or not makes no great difference
2017-01-12T00:44:06 < upgrdman> whats the name for things that are "variables", like "reg [15:0] foo;" in verilog? fpga luts?
2017-01-12T00:44:14 < upgrdman> like how would you say "it can be stored in an EBR RAM or in a normal variable"
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2017-01-12T01:01:52 < sync_> it does kakimir, coldstarts and the way it runs will be way different if it is adjusted right
2017-01-12T01:03:21 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i've been dicking with fpgas since before i found stm32
2017-01-12T01:03:35 < upgrdman> and for work i write code for fpgas and mcus and pcs
2017-01-12T01:06:18 < upgrdman> no, always used verilog
2017-01-12T01:06:26 < upgrdman> just didnt know the correct name for that thing
2017-01-12T01:06:42 < upgrdman> but im cleaning up some code comments and want it phrased right
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2017-01-12T01:10:26 < sync_> what, using verilog?
2017-01-12T01:10:47 < upgrdman> no i mean i didnt know the correct name for a "variable" in an fpga
2017-01-12T01:10:59 < upgrdman> register seems close enough, even though leeloo doesn't like it
2017-01-12T01:11:31 < upgrdman> well i mean i knew what a register is, but didnt think to call a variable a register in my code comments
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2017-01-12T01:17:14 < upgrdman> ya i know what a register is
2017-01-12T01:17:16 < upgrdman> but
2017-01-12T01:17:45 < upgrdman> it seems like you can reasonably determine if the variable will end up as a register (ff) or extracted into something else
2017-01-12T01:18:04 < upgrdman> and for things that actually vary, seems pretty obvious that they'd end up as ff's
2017-01-12T01:18:26 < upgrdman> and yes, i know the synthesizer can pull out unused bits, constant bits, etc.
2017-01-12T01:18:44 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, thats fine. but for the comment i was writing, "register" is correct
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2017-01-12T01:36:34 < sync_> LeelooMinai: sometimes there is no choice
2017-01-12T01:36:44 < sync_> as certain people will want verilog from you
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2017-01-12T01:37:33 < sync_> well, it is not like being a slave, but project requirements
2017-01-12T01:38:26 < sync_> yeah right go ahead and tell your .mil customer "ya brah, gonna use dem new shits on the block just because it is hot now"
2017-01-12T01:39:38 < sync_> it works
2017-01-12T01:39:43 < sync_> which is all it needs to
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2017-01-12T02:16:28 < upgrdman> wtf
2017-01-12T02:16:31 < upgrdman> with code:
2017-01-12T02:16:36 < upgrdman> __DATA(RAM2) volatile uint16_t logged_samples[LOG_SIZE];
2017-01-12T02:16:36 < upgrdman> void TIMER0_IRQHandler(void) {
2017-01-12T02:16:39 < upgrdman> i get error:
2017-01-12T02:16:49 < upgrdman> error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '{' token
2017-01-12T02:16:51 < upgrdman> why
2017-01-12T02:16:59 < ohsix> sup dawgs
2017-01-12T02:17:21 < ohsix> anyone know if there's an easy way to swap the order of the pins in the output of the v command, i have one of the dumb backwards cables and just wasted a ton of time
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2017-01-12T02:21:51 < ohsix> seems like an obvious thing
2017-01-12T02:21:57 < ohsix> also bus pirate does way less than i thought haha
2017-01-12T02:22:09 < ohsix> i mean, it's super handy, but it just doesn't
2017-01-12T02:22:40 < ohsix> i was looking for a gpio mode so i could pull up/down some pins and use the pwm, it doesn't have one, you have to pick one of the modes like spi and ignore the rest
2017-01-12T02:22:49 < ohsix> just use the chip select as an extra aux pin
2017-01-12T02:25:35 < ohsix> Kliment: printer is working great since i fixed that fan
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2017-01-12T03:29:45 < stvn> sup Steffanx 
2017-01-12T03:44:22 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, does Diamond have a view where it draws a schematic-like diagram of your code?
2017-01-12T03:44:23 < upgrdman> cant find it
2017-01-12T03:44:37 < upgrdman> like it draws boxes for each module, and the nets between them
2017-01-12T03:44:45 < upgrdman> or maybe im remembering that from ise
2017-01-12T03:51:30 < upgrdman> hmm ya that works
2017-01-12T03:51:41 < upgrdman> but looking at ise screenshots, i was rememeber the ise style
2017-01-12T03:51:46 < upgrdman> but the syn pro one isnt bad.
2017-01-12T03:53:36 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-12T03:54:01 < upgrdman> but its good enough for shoving to coworker who is confused at logic flow
2017-01-12T03:54:16 < upgrdman> ya i dont need to FF/gate level visualization
2017-01-12T03:54:21 < upgrdman> just block diagram
2017-01-12T03:54:27 < upgrdman> which both syn pro and ise do
2017-01-12T03:54:36 < upgrdman> but they also show some of the FFs/gates
2017-01-12T03:55:30 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, no more like getting a big picture view before even looking at the code. like "what modules talk to what" and "where do the IOs go to / come from"
2017-01-12T03:56:31 < upgrdman> if your top file is >100 lines of code, a diagram can be very helpful
2017-01-12T03:56:52 < upgrdman> ya buy by hand is too much work unless people complain :)
2017-01-12T03:58:46 < upgrdman> more like cost/benefit. if quality isnt needed, why bother. if it is needed, then do it properly.
2017-01-12T03:59:16 < upgrdman> which reminds me
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2017-01-12T03:59:53 < upgrdman> do you use any tools to make diagrams like this: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/images/b/b7/SPI_mode_0_detailed_timing.png
2017-01-12T04:00:01 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, xray controller
2017-01-12T04:00:05 < stvn> field programmable stm32
2017-01-12T04:06:08 < upgrdman> ya
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2017-01-12T04:07:21 < upgrdman> nice, thaks
2017-01-12T04:09:21 < upgrdman> what does "p" mean
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2017-01-12T04:14:00 < upgrdman> brb
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2017-01-12T04:33:05 < stvn> 6 turntables to service today
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2017-01-12T04:45:53 < ReadErr> busy gal you are stvn 
2017-01-12T04:49:34 < stvn> easy $1200 shekels 
2017-01-12T04:53:31 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/cca002821fcc47b29f9bd9fdad93362a?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=076de647825f95be0a4977dc2611139a
2017-01-12T04:54:12 < stvn> SMACK GOD
2017-01-12T05:03:07 < dongs> http://ktrh.iheart.com/onair/michael-berry-13986/two-guys-try-to-rob-gun-15455077/
2017-01-12T05:03:10 < dongs> haha.
2017-01-12T05:04:34 < stvn> dun goofed
2017-01-12T05:06:19 < dongs> https://ca.news.yahoo.com/swiss-town-denies-passport-to-dutch-vegan-because-she-is-annoying-125316437.html
2017-01-12T05:07:59 < upgrdman> will this work on 32bit systems  https://i.reddituploads.com/2c4e59f7e5c144d7955f3b31077d7eda?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=dd4f3ca660b70c3c18f61d4e21cc747e
2017-01-12T05:09:55 < dongs> i should register unfunnyuploads.com
2017-01-12T05:09:58 < dongs> and redirect it to there
2017-01-12T05:10:12 < dongs> who the fuck buys shit from scamfixit
2017-01-12T05:10:20 < dongs> they just repackage /resell aliexpress shit
2017-01-12T05:10:23 < dongs> and charge $$$ for it
2017-01-12T05:10:45 < dongs> most of the time when you buy some chink part for iFaggot etc they just send you free screwdrivers/clips/wahtever teh fuck you need to take it apart
2017-01-12T05:15:09 < ReadErr> that have a few handy tools
2017-01-12T05:15:13 < ReadErr> like the jimmy
2017-01-12T05:24:52 < stvn> dongs, now they all want LEDs on their x, y, or z
2017-01-12T05:29:25 < stvn> rofl at the ifucksit rant
2017-01-12T05:34:42 < dongs> ReadErr: i bought jewpad 7.9" screen and it came with screwdrivers and some hooks and guitar pucks or wahtever the fuck was needed to replace it
2017-01-12T05:35:43 < stvn> lol
2017-01-12T05:36:10 < dongs> for FREE
2017-01-12T05:36:58 < stvn> you must mean kikepad
2017-01-12T05:37:44 < dongs> stvn: status of ANALyzing pioneer VFD
2017-01-12T05:37:47 < englishman> http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/amazon-canada-fined-1-million-plus-costs-for-misleading-price-claims-on-website
2017-01-12T05:37:49 < englishman> hooray!
2017-01-12T05:37:59 < englishman> fuck amadongs and jeff beezos
2017-01-12T05:39:02 < englishman> this is over their "toothbrush $1.99 marked down 99% from $5900" scam
2017-01-12T05:40:22 < stvn> dongs, gotta pick up my gay 'logic analyser'
2017-01-12T05:42:28 < stvn> should be easy enough, in service mode i can force all patterns on it
2017-01-12T05:42:56 < ReadErr> dongs: nah the jimmy tool for other shit
2017-01-12T05:43:03 < ReadErr> better than stabbing yourself
2017-01-12T05:43:07 < stvn> my initial dream was to make the dot matrix display something horribly offensive or racist
2017-01-12T05:45:21 < dongs> stvn: i wonder if there's a mcu on the glass
2017-01-12T05:45:58 < dongs> cuz if its segments for that dot matrix shit wouldnt that be a fuckload of pins
2017-01-12T05:46:19 < dongs> https://www.noritake-elec.com/technology/general-technical-information/cig-driver-vfd
2017-01-12T05:46:22 < dongs> chip in glass driver
2017-01-12T05:46:27 < stvn> has serial interface built in
2017-01-12T05:46:53 < stvn> CLK BK SERIAL_IN LATCH
2017-01-12T05:47:08 < dongs> so thats just like the shit i linked
2017-01-12T05:47:31 < stvn> yup
2017-01-12T05:48:15 < stvn> just gotta figure out how the data is encoded
2017-01-12T05:48:24 < dongs> so you just gotta figure out which bits turn on which segments in a full 96/whatever bit sequence then just parse that on STM32 and output to wherever
2017-01-12T05:48:51 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-12T05:48:54 < stvn> exactly
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2017-01-12T05:52:14 < dongs> https://www.noritake-elec.com/wp/wp-content/themes/noritakeelec/inc/part/oled/img/GE256X64B-7032B_back.png
2017-01-12T05:52:18 < dongs> that looks like STM32
2017-01-12T05:52:27 < dongs> hm no
2017-01-12T05:52:31 < dongs> hole is too big
2017-01-12T05:52:36 < dongs> for pin1
2017-01-12T05:52:40 < dongs> probably some filthy custom jap shit
2017-01-12T05:52:48 < dongs> also that PCB looks like its made in kikecad or maybe even gEDA
2017-01-12T05:53:03 < dongs> those fucking huge outlines around SOT23
2017-01-12T05:53:13 < dongs> ive only seen that kinda trash in default geda symbols
2017-01-12T05:55:15 < stvn> standard dog
2017-01-12T05:55:44 < dongs> i got a free sample from them in like 2013
2017-01-12T05:55:51 < englishman> heh same
2017-01-12T05:57:09 < dongs> oo this is like 24x6 matrix thing
2017-01-12T05:57:09 < englishman> msev did too probably
2017-01-12T05:57:15 < dongs> found it
2017-01-12T06:04:37 < dongs> oh well back in the box of devboards it goes
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2017-01-12T06:45:54 < ohsix> sup
2017-01-12T06:55:41 < stvn> hmmm what to do
2017-01-12T06:59:42 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/meowza/status/819266661714825217 click on this
2017-01-12T06:59:58 < dongs> get high as fuck
2017-01-12T07:00:02 < dongs> then stare at pink leds
2017-01-12T07:00:11 < dongs> ^ story of my daily life
2017-01-12T07:00:14 < ohsix> it's weird to follow these game people on twitter, cool shit never seems to make it into anything
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2017-01-12T07:53:02 < dongs> don't going through too much Via, and needs to surround with GND max data trace is round 1~1.2"
2017-01-12T07:53:14 < dongs> nice instructions
2017-01-12T07:56:29 < jpa-> dongs: i think you should put vias like this  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcWhscnRZXzJnZlU/view
2017-01-12T07:56:52 < dongs> is this kikemirlink
2017-01-12T07:57:00 < jpa-> yes
2017-01-12T07:57:35 < dongs> i cant fucking believe he has PWM signals to a fucking motor driver going through SMA
2017-01-12T07:57:41 < dongs> SUCH SIGNAL INTEGRITY
2017-01-12T07:58:09 < dongs> life of a kikecad user, i guess
2017-01-12T08:10:14 < ohsix>  df
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2017-01-12T08:18:39 < ohsix> lily drone officially failed
2017-01-12T08:28:18 < dongs> digikey search fucking s low dam,n
2017-01-12T08:38:13 < Kliment> I've seen so many field failures of electrolytic caps in that form factor
2017-01-12T08:38:33 < Kliment> It's like they weren't designed with mechanical stability in mind at all
2017-01-12T08:38:58 < Kliment> I've started adding tiny vias to their pads to anchor them to the PCB a bit better
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2017-01-12T08:44:05 < dongs> you mean regular alu sizeA/B/C/D caps?
2017-01-12T08:44:09 < Kliment> dongs: Yes
2017-01-12T08:44:25 < dongs> fuckers just get knocked off the board
2017-01-12T08:44:33 < Kliment> dongs: Yeah, what's up with that?
2017-01-12T08:45:17 < Kliment> dongs: Why don't manufacturers just make the pads as wide as the body? It would make sense, it's not like you can use that PCB area
2017-01-12T08:45:59 < Kliment> dongs: That's what they do for tantalum caps in similar form factors, and it works well
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2017-01-12T09:06:11 < ReadErr> ohsix: failed?
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2017-01-12T11:05:41 < stvn> greetings Steffanx 
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2017-01-12T11:08:44 < Fleck> I need new STM32F746-Disco, anyone? ;)
2017-01-12T11:09:42 < stvn> I was going to ask you for one!
2017-01-12T11:09:47 < dongs> I've got 3
2017-01-12T11:09:53 < dongs> would totally send Fleck one if he wasn't a FUCKING CUNT
2017-01-12T11:09:57 < stvn> Tectu stole all of them
2017-01-12T11:09:59 < Ecco> What's "mated height" of an FPC connector?
2017-01-12T11:10:06 < ohsix> ReadErr: sup?
2017-01-12T11:10:09 < zyp> Ecco, wat
2017-01-12T11:10:16 < dongs> exactly that
2017-01-12T11:10:16 < ohsix> ReadErr: oh yea
2017-01-12T11:10:21 < dongs> if it has a tab, the height wiht tab closed
2017-01-12T11:10:26 < Ecco> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=ffc_fpc_smt&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction&parentKey=ffc_fpc_connectors
2017-01-12T11:10:32 < zyp> oh, heh
2017-01-12T11:10:35 < stvn> nice one
2017-01-12T11:10:38 < Ecco> ok, so that's the height of the connector when closed
2017-01-12T11:10:40 < Ecco> ok, thanks :)
2017-01-12T11:10:50 < stvn> happy flappy
2017-01-12T11:11:02 < dongs> fuck
2017-01-12T11:11:05 < dongs> alt-tabbed out of altidumb
2017-01-12T11:11:09 < dongs> its in 'draw' mode
2017-01-12T11:11:12 < dongs> cant do anything now.
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2017-01-12T11:11:26 < Ecco> argh, that's a pain
2017-01-12T11:11:42 < stvn> it's really cool when I loose the flap from the ffc connector and i spend the next 30 mins looking on the ground for it
2017-01-12T11:11:48 < stvn> *lose
2017-01-12T11:12:08 < dongs> i blame Fleck 
2017-01-12T11:12:14 < dongs> cuz i alt tab'd to help him get a F7disco
2017-01-12T11:12:27 < stvn> yah
2017-01-12T11:12:31 < zyp> dongs, that's an advantage of running it in a VM, once I alt-tab out of the VM, altium doesn't know shit about what I do
2017-01-12T11:12:39 < ohsix> lul lily won some award at CES in 2016
2017-01-12T11:12:45 < ohsix> so much for all that
2017-01-12T11:12:56 < stvn> you wouldn't go running altium natively now
2017-01-12T11:13:13 < ohsix> Walmart Launches Blockchain Technology For Pork And Produce
2017-01-12T11:13:15 < ohsix> ahaha
2017-01-12T11:15:00 < dongs> yeah one random advantage for something that breaks once a month
2017-01-12T11:15:06 < dongs> vs dealing with running it in a VM like its lunix
2017-01-12T11:15:24 < ohsix> you know what's boring
2017-01-12T11:15:25 < ohsix> that
2017-01-12T11:17:22 < zyp> well, it's windows, same situation :p
2017-01-12T11:17:32 < dongs> i guess ill just killtask it. cant make it  exit that mode.
2017-01-12T11:17:35 < stvn> "buying stm32f7 disco"
2017-01-12T11:17:38 < stvn> i wonder...
2017-01-12T11:21:19 < stvn> hmmm that'd be a nice LCD to draw dicks on
2017-01-12T11:21:36 < stvn> $79.42 excluding gst
2017-01-12T11:22:16 < dongs> is that useless AUD
2017-01-12T11:22:18 < stvn> nice the cunts put an ethernet jack on there
2017-01-12T11:22:21 < stvn> yes dongs 
2017-01-12T11:22:30 < dongs> its 50 on digikey
2017-01-12T11:22:32 < dongs> and i think 48 on mouser
2017-01-12T11:22:46 < dongs> hm nopew
2017-01-12T11:22:47 < dongs> also 50
2017-01-12T11:22:49 < dongs> went up
2017-01-12T11:23:06 < dongs> Order in the next 15:36:58 hours to ship Today. Learn More
2017-01-12T11:23:07 < dongs> i like that.
2017-01-12T11:24:11 < dongs> STM32F769I-DISCO wgat teh fuck is that, seems to have no LCD yet still more expensive
2017-01-12T11:24:16 < stvn> 70.75aud
2017-01-12T11:24:23 < stvn> for the 'g' with lcd
2017-01-12T11:24:39 < dongs> oh no it has ICD  too
2017-01-12T11:24:41 < dongs> just bigger board
2017-01-12T11:24:44 < stvn> ah
2017-01-12T11:24:51 < stvn> better have a ulink built in
2017-01-12T11:24:52 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/32f769idiscovery.html
2017-01-12T11:24:55 < stvn> :P
2017-01-12T11:25:00 < dongs> they all do
2017-01-12T11:25:13 < dongs> Power Over Ethernet based on IEEE 802.3af (Powered Device, 48 V to 5 V, 3 W)
2017-01-12T11:25:14 < dongs> huh
2017-01-12T11:25:16 < dongs> well i guess.
2017-01-12T11:25:23 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/fragment/product_related/rpn_information/board_photo/group0/79/ca/5d/6e/90/ad/45/5a/32f769idiscovery/files/32f769idiscovery.jpg/_jcr_content/translations/en.32f769idiscovery.jpg
2017-01-12T11:25:38 < stvn> ffs 'arduino compatible'
2017-01-12T11:25:43 < dongs> that PoE circuitry looks ghetto as fuck
2017-01-12T11:25:50 < dongs> i see coils + diode bridge + LDO
2017-01-12T11:26:03 < stvn> yeah :/
2017-01-12T11:26:14 < dongs> NegroPOE
2017-01-12T11:26:26 < stvn> just slap it in the board
2017-01-12T11:26:42 < dongs> and the fuck are those RCA connectors
2017-01-12T11:27:01 < stvn> for DJs to plug it into their mixer
2017-01-12T11:27:03 < stvn> lul
2017-01-12T11:27:34 < stvn> all their equipment has digital and the cunts are still using those stereo rca maggots
2017-01-12T11:28:10 < stvn> (unrelated rant)
2017-01-12T11:28:25 < dongs> apple removed optical 3.5mm jacks from new macbooks
2017-01-12T11:28:38 < dongs> in teh name of progress
2017-01-12T11:28:42 < dongs> no more pro audio w/macbooks
2017-01-12T11:28:57 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-12T11:29:17 < stvn> just buy a $500 interface to get what came free previously right
2017-01-12T11:35:04 < stvn> dongs, is $60 good for a genuine ulink2
2017-01-12T11:35:23 < dongs> doesnt sound genuine
2017-01-12T11:35:30 < dongs> i think real one start at 300-ish?
2017-01-12T11:35:43 < dongs> don't get ulink tho, useless outside of keil
2017-01-12T11:35:48 < dongs> at least jlink-edu can be used with other shit
2017-01-12T11:36:12 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/arm/ULINK2/ULINK2-ND/1306059 yeah $400, no
2017-01-12T11:36:16 < stvn> nah it has a sticker on the back from the place which sold me mdk arm
2017-01-12T11:36:29 < dongs> o
2017-01-12T11:38:02 < stvn> these cunts have got to be shitting me $1224 - http://au.element14.com/keil/ulink2/debug-adaptor-arm7-arm9-8051-c166/dp/2309951
2017-01-12T11:39:04 < dongs> that "wide" voltage range isnt that wide either
2017-01-12T11:39:19 < stvn> yea i bet
2017-01-12T11:39:28 < dongs> jewlink is 1.2-3.3V
2017-01-12T11:40:13 < stvn> i'll just assume you mean segger jlink
2017-01-12T11:51:57 < ohsix> heh cypress uses saleae logic junk in their own documentation http://www.cypress.com/file/125791/download
2017-01-12T11:52:55 < jadew> ohsix: they probably cloned it themseleves
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2017-01-12T12:01:54 < stvn> fucken BJT blowout
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2017-01-12T12:03:51 < stvn> it'd be nice if pioniggers would stop completely redesigning every circuit in each of their products using different parts
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2017-01-12T12:04:14 < dongs> ragquit if I ever seen one
2017-01-12T12:04:22 < dongs> er ragequit
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2017-01-12T12:08:43 < stvn> oh well drink spill on the dsp card... looks like i've been handed another blank cheque
2017-01-12T12:10:37 < kOStiX> you can always apply this method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9J-Il9e1QE
2017-01-12T12:14:26 < jadew> I do that too
2017-01-12T12:14:35 < jadew> you just have to make sure to dry it afterwards
2017-01-12T12:14:52 < jadew> for that I use the hot air gun (the big one)
2017-01-12T12:16:24 < ReadErr> ohsix: Workaholics S07E01 720p HDTV x264-FLEET
2017-01-12T12:17:23 < dongs> ReadErr: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-01-12T12:17:37 < ReadErr> dongs: hi, it seems your ignore is broken
2017-01-12T12:17:47 < ReadErr> didnt it have 'ohsix:' ?
2017-01-12T12:18:19 < jadew> you forgot to tag it
2017-01-12T12:18:20 < jadew> !dongs
2017-01-12T12:18:22 < dongs> doesnt change the fact that youre engaging in FAGGOTRY
2017-01-12T12:20:15 < jadew> what's the resistance of distilled water?
2017-01-12T12:20:20 < jadew> must be high
2017-01-12T12:20:31 < Emil> jadew: mediocore
2017-01-12T12:20:33 < jadew> I bet you can cool your PC by fully submerging the mobo
2017-01-12T12:21:17 < Emil> 180000 Ω·m deionized water at 20°C
2017-01-12T12:23:19 < jadew> 18 MOhm per cm
2017-01-12T12:23:21 < jadew> that's not bad
2017-01-12T12:23:40 < jadew> you can definitely run a PC in that
2017-01-12T12:23:58 < Emil> It's very hard to keep it deionized, though
2017-01-12T12:24:29 < Emil> And that's 180kOhm/m
2017-01-12T12:24:52 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purified_water
2017-01-12T12:25:00 < jadew> wiki says 18 MOhm / cm
2017-01-12T12:25:00 < Emil> Oh misread
2017-01-12T12:25:29 < ohsix> jadew: when you were running shell did you hit the windows key, huhuh
2017-01-12T12:25:40 < ohsix> ReadErr: nice, got idiotsitter in tvshow time but forgot workaholics
2017-01-12T12:25:45 < ohsix> last season was so awful
2017-01-12T12:25:57 < jadew> ohsix: I did, cinnamon works like Windows
2017-01-12T12:26:07 < jadew> which is nice
2017-01-12T12:26:11 < ohsix> cool
2017-01-12T12:26:17 < ohsix> i'm using shell with some extensions
2017-01-12T12:26:42 < ohsix> using Applications sucks balls, indexing services always trash working set and they're never hot in the cache so they fucking fail it
2017-01-12T12:28:49 < ohsix> hm heh another series of alan davies as yet untitled in 26 days, tosh.0 too; and in 27 s2 of the expanse
2017-01-12T12:29:08 < ohsix> s2 of the detour in 40 days, tvshow time is neat
2017-01-12T12:31:46 < ohsix> jadew: alt+` is handy, being able to go around all the window rings
2017-01-12T12:32:12 < ReadErr> Oxygen Generator https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iOIaTcCu/lolcoins.png
2017-01-12T12:32:12 < ohsix> and win left/right/up for views, if you hold shift and you have multiple displays it will move them between them too
2017-01-12T12:32:15 < ReadErr> @ dongs 
2017-01-12T12:33:19 < jadew> ohsix: I know
2017-01-12T12:33:21 < stvn> fucking ESD niggers
2017-01-12T12:34:06 < ohsix> pioneer changing designs all the time sounds like job security
2017-01-12T12:48:21 < stvn> if they could solder maybe i wouldn't have to spend my night unfucking their work
2017-01-12T12:51:46 < karlp> ReadErr: why oxygen generator?
2017-01-12T12:52:10 < ReadErr> oops was in clipboard
2017-01-12T12:52:18 < ReadErr> its bitcoins
2017-01-12T12:52:29 < ReadErr> sold at 1042
2017-01-12T13:05:19 < karlp> right, I gathered it was bitcoins, was the oxygen generator context that wass't very contextual :)
2017-01-12T13:05:35 < stvn> what a miracle how the fucking thing works when the soldering is done properly
2017-01-12T13:06:03 < jadew> stvn, any chance someone else worked on it?
2017-01-12T13:06:11 < stvn> yes
2017-01-12T13:06:58 < stvn> not sure if there was more flux residue or solder
2017-01-12T13:18:59 < karlp> cool science: http://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-016-0009
2017-01-12T13:21:23 < stvn> can i enrich uranium with it
2017-01-12T13:22:36 < stvn> when can i troll the metcal salesman
2017-01-12T13:22:42 < stvn> hmmm
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2017-01-12T13:23:13 < jadew> that's pretty awesome
2017-01-12T13:25:00 < ReadErr> karlp: oh im building an oxygen concentrator too
2017-01-12T13:26:48 < karlp> for your dr|_|g5?
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2017-01-12T13:35:59 < ReadErr> no, torches and such
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2017-01-12T14:03:00 < stvn> https://www.element14.com/community/events/4813/l/benefits-of-arm-keil-mdk-early-session
2017-01-12T14:05:03 < dongs> when is that
2017-01-12T14:05:11 < stvn> now and in 4 hrs
2017-01-12T14:05:31 < dongs> wtf
2017-01-12T14:05:33 < dongs> i need to register?
2017-01-12T14:05:46 < stvn> quick think of a good name 
2017-01-12T14:05:57 < dongs> oh all teh shit is optional
2017-01-12T14:06:14 < dongs> Don't want to use an extension? Run a temporary application to join this meeting.
2017-01-12T14:06:17 < dongs> holy fuck
2017-01-12T14:06:21 < dongs> from awful to fucking awful
2017-01-12T14:06:23 < dongs> nice choices there bro
2017-01-12T14:06:48 < stvn> how2doit
2017-01-12T14:07:07 < dongs> I just got spyware'd by cisco
2017-01-12T14:07:26 < dongs> ran exe, it deleted itself
2017-01-12T14:07:36 < stvn> cool
2017-01-12T14:07:40 < dongs> my pc is downloaing something at 500k/sec
2017-01-12T14:09:04 < dongs> is "video" quality going to increase?
2017-01-12T14:10:06 < dongs> semsis eh
2017-01-12T14:11:30 < stvn> this is a fucking classic
2017-01-12T14:11:36 < dongs> who is this troll talking
2017-01-12T14:12:41 < stvn> lol
2017-01-12T14:12:45 < stvn> arm cumpiler 6
2017-01-12T14:13:02 < dongs> i found that out the other day.
2017-01-12T14:13:13 < dongs> also
2017-01-12T14:13:19 < dongs> -Oz/LTO was broken for me 
2017-01-12T14:16:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/DMSDr20.png this is the video quality i see
2017-01-12T14:16:44 < dongs> zoomed FULL SCREEN @ 4K
2017-01-12T14:16:46 < dongs> and i cant resize it
2017-01-12T14:17:02 < stvn> yeah wat the fuck
2017-01-12T14:17:08 < stvn> same here
2017-01-12T14:17:34 < stvn> tell them to install the beyond dialup streaming pack
2017-01-12T14:18:18 < dongs> i know someone who might be interested in DS-MDK but i cant fuckign read about it
2017-01-12T14:18:21 < dongs> on this dumb fucking video
2017-01-12T14:18:33 < stvn> yes
2017-01-12T14:18:39 < dongs> they're literally losing sales
2017-01-12T14:18:40 < dongs> right now
2017-01-12T14:19:33 < stvn> HAHAHAHA
2017-01-12T14:19:45 < dongs> go ahead and ask
2017-01-12T14:19:47 < dongs> why video quality was garbage
2017-01-12T14:19:49 < stvn> is that all
2017-01-12T14:19:59 < dongs> looks useless as fuck
2017-01-12T14:20:28 < stvn> hahahaha
2017-01-12T14:21:37 < stvn> done.
2017-01-12T14:22:29 < stvn> They said it will be posted to the webinar page.
2017-01-12T14:23:29 < dongs> asked how stable is LTO
2017-01-12T14:23:40 < stvn> did you get a reply?
2017-01-12T14:23:46 < dongs> just typed it
2017-01-12T14:23:46 < dongs> waiting
2017-01-12T14:24:19 < dongs> 'production stable', nice.
2017-01-12T14:24:22 < dongs> i guess i better open a bug report
2017-01-12T14:25:19 < stvn> heh
2017-01-12T14:25:56 < dongs> who the fuck asked how to make a hub
2017-01-12T14:26:22 < stvn> probably spirit532
2017-01-12T14:28:01 < dongs> ADA language?
2017-01-12T14:28:03 < dongs> the fuck
2017-01-12T14:29:24 < stvn> trollin
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2017-01-12T14:39:02 < stvn> great presentation
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2017-01-12T14:48:55 < stvn> will Laurenceb ever be unQuieted
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2017-01-12T15:00:18 < ReadErr> ./mode ##stm32 q
2017-01-12T15:00:19 < ReadErr> no
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2017-01-12T15:08:12 < psprint> Hello. STM32F7{x9,x8,x5} have 512 kB SRAM, however with note: "(including 128 kB DTCM)". I need to read half-frame (interlace) of PAL video, 2 * 576 / 2 * 720px = 414.72kB. Will this be possible? Because it looks like SRAM is divided into sections, so large 414 kB array isn't possible?
2017-01-12T15:11:26 < zyp> correct, that is not possible
2017-01-12T15:11:57 < zyp> you could however add external ram
2017-01-12T15:15:39 < dongs> psprint: nope, but yeah, add sdram or psram and stick it there
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2017-01-12T15:19:35 < Emil> psprint: if you can compress it might be possible
2017-01-12T15:21:41 < dongs> why would you want to compress if the purpose is most likely to do somethign with the iamge
2017-01-12T15:22:37 < Emil> dongs: just a though
2017-01-12T15:22:39 < Emil> t
2017-01-12T15:22:44 < dongs> external sdram is cheap on F4/F7
2017-01-12T15:22:46 < dongs> do it.
2017-01-12T15:29:54 < jpa-> psprint: IIRC stm32F7 places the separate sections back-to-back and also has DMA support for DTCM, so IMO it should be possible
2017-01-12T15:29:58 < psprint> I'm reading "pixel port" of a video decoder: 8 pins, clocked at 27 MHz (the clock exposed at LLC pin). I already need to skip every second frame (interlace) – detect VSYNC signaling that new frame starts, target even or odd event. So 576 / 2 lines of 720 px – and if I could skip every second line, I could divide 576 by 4, 2 * 576 / 4 * 720 = 207.36 kB. HSYNC, VSYNC are also embedded as special sequences
2017-01-12T15:30:01 < psprint> in the 8-bit stream. The question: will I be able to use DMA to start/stop transfer depending on the sync signals? I first thought about timer-counter peripheral, set to be externally clocked via LLC line
2017-01-12T15:30:29 < dongs> why arent you using DCMI?
2017-01-12T15:30:39 < jpa-> yeah, sounds like a job for DCMI
2017-01-12T15:30:55 < dongs> cuz its made for that purpose
2017-01-12T15:31:00 < dongs> (but still doesnt solve your ram issues)
2017-01-12T15:31:28 < jpa-> (are there really ram issues? check the memory map and report back, because i'm planning to use stm32f7 in similar way)
2017-01-12T15:31:51 < jpa-> (i won't use sdram because i need low power usage, and external sram is somewhat expensive and takes a lot of pins)
2017-01-12T15:32:02 < psprint> I will drive RGB LED matrix 36x16, need very small amount of the frames, so if I could skip basing on sync signals, I could go even for 192 kB board
2017-01-12T15:32:57 < jpa-> you can always DMA to a ring buffer and have a interrupt down-sampling it in real time
2017-01-12T15:33:03 < dongs> yes
2017-01-12T15:33:08 < jpa-> no need to store whole frame if you just want to downscale it
2017-01-12T15:33:15 < dongs> you should resize as youre receiving it
2017-01-12T15:34:18 < dongs> 20x20 reduction, you could probly buffer 20 lines and shrink them to 36x1 line whlie reciving next 20
2017-01-12T15:36:12 < jpa-> zyp: e.g. STM32F769 datasheet (DM00273119) shows that the 3 ram sections are consecutive without gaps, and has dma access to DTCM; it seems that one big array would be possible
2017-01-12T15:36:30 < dongs> jpa, is DMA on F7 still limited to 64k
2017-01-12T15:36:38 < dongs> like it is on F4/etc.
2017-01-12T15:36:50 < dongs> i.e. NDTR is uint16 :)
2017-01-12T15:37:18 < jpa-> let's see
2017-01-12T15:37:23 < dongs> wehn i was doing lcd controller thing, I had to write a loop that DMA'd until it was done
2017-01-12T15:37:26 < dongs> in 64k blocks.
2017-01-12T15:38:08 < psprint> yeah one big array and then two nested FOR loops with big steps to obtain 36x16, that's the plain-style of solving this, quite nice.. I could then try other variants freely knowing that "solved" is guaranteed
2017-01-12T15:38:10 < jpa-> normal dma is still limited to 64k, let's see about dma2d
2017-01-12T15:38:12 < zyp> DTCM also being a consecutive region?
2017-01-12T15:38:21 < psprint> s/36x16/32x16/
2017-01-12T15:38:35 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, on the 512kB models (there are gaps for the smaller models)
2017-01-12T15:38:49 < dongs> psprint: use dsp instructions to average/resize
2017-01-12T15:39:01 < zyp> jpa-, ah, okay, I assumed it were like CCM on other parts
2017-01-12T15:39:15 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, it is a nice change
2017-01-12T15:39:31 < jpa-> especially the dma hacks (it's a total hacks, they've made cpu into an AHB slave..)
2017-01-12T15:39:35 < dongs> psprint: or if you insist, just capture in segments, and do that 'loop' to grab needed 32 samples or wahtever and overwrite.
2017-01-12T15:40:23 < jpa-> dongs: looks like DMA2D can do up to 16k*64k so 1 GB transfers
2017-01-12T15:40:44 < dongs> jpa-: ok and can that access dcmi/whatever?
2017-01-12T15:41:06 < zyp> I wish stm32 had some generic purpose scatter/gather-dma
2017-01-12T15:41:16 < jpa-> dongs: ... looks like no :D
2017-01-12T15:41:24 < psprint> dongs: yes the segments, nice idea, it means to do say 20 DMA transfers instead of 1?
2017-01-12T15:41:58 < dongs> psprint: yeah, maybe double buffer DMA of say 32k? or something, have interrupt on halftransfer, grab samples from one buffer while other is filling, pingpong.
2017-01-12T15:44:37 < psprint> dongs: how fast are the interrupts? In general I think it is not possible what I wrote – to use VS,HSYNC lines to influence DMA – because that are not closely bound things, that are software interrupts. I can also detect HS,VS from special values in the data received. But in general, halftransfer interrupt is good, solves the not-close-fit-binding
2017-01-12T15:45:08 < dongs> it probably works if you use DCMI, how are you getting this data in now?
2017-01-12T15:45:13 < dongs> just sampling GPIO at LLC?
2017-01-12T15:46:21 < psprint> dongs: I'm planning what to buy, STM32 seems to be best, also thinking about Padi Stamp because 512 kB RAM and apparently good DMA performance (https://github.com/kissste/rtl8710_VGA_Display_Driver, 41.33MHz VGA signal)
2017-01-12T15:49:46 < dongs> well, tehre's definitely VGA output on stm32F4, that doesn't mean anything
2017-01-12T15:50:47 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymGCeG9_6c0 iirc this was on F4
2017-01-12T15:53:27 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yXxhvKmVb0
2017-01-12T15:54:13 < psprint> nice, I know F4 is good because saw Glitch demo and "pushing pixels" (title) blog posts, where 1/4 of CPU clock, 168 / 4, was obtained on output, so I interested in STM knowing DMA performs well
2017-01-12T15:56:58 < psprint> so I will have to read about DCMI, looking now at some schematics where are D0-D7 data lines, VS, HS, PIXCLK, all seems to be well fitted, just the need of skipping data is problematic
2017-01-12T15:59:15 < dongs> https://blog.frankvh.com/2011/08/19/stm32f2xx-digital-camera-interface-dcmi/ relevant reading
2017-01-12T15:59:31 < dongs> and yes, you can do double buffered DMA with this to do your subsampling while the other buffer is being filled
2017-01-12T16:01:15 < Thorn> are there cheap powered usb hubs that work
2017-01-12T16:01:28 < dongs> you can implement usb hub on STM32
2017-01-12T16:05:39 < Thorn> my china hub is having a psychotic episode, it thinks the discovery is out to get it
2017-01-12T16:05:54 < Thorn> 80lvl soldering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxkyIsKkIBM
2017-01-12T16:06:28 < dongs> wtf is it, ghettodiscovery?
2017-01-12T16:07:02 < Thorn> he said in description he didn't want to pay a premium for a discovery lol
2017-01-12T16:07:08 < dongs> snort
2017-01-12T16:07:26 < dongs> i guess his time is worth less than $15 the -disco costs
2017-01-12T16:08:02 < psprint> found STM32F767ZIT6 board NUCLEO-F767ZI for just $24, so much cheaper than RPi3 which is recommended to me often. There's DCMI: "The camera interface can sustain a data transfer rate up to 54 Mbyte/s in 8-bit mode at 54 MHz."
2017-01-12T16:08:11 < psprint> 512 kB RAM
2017-01-12T16:08:30 < Rob235> what would you guys use to control a windows machine from mac? realvnc keeps freezing for some reason
2017-01-12T16:08:43 < dongs> Rob235: microsoft has remote desktop client for mactrash..
2017-01-12T16:08:46 < dongs> why would you use anything elser
2017-01-12T16:08:52 < dongs> realVNC more liek REALGARBAGE
2017-01-12T16:08:56 < Rob235> because I want to see the screen as I'm doing it
2017-01-12T16:09:04 < Rob235> and not have to actually log in and out
2017-01-12T16:09:07 < dongs> ?
2017-01-12T16:09:19 < dongs> i dont understand waht the f uck you want to do then
2017-01-12T16:09:38 < Thorn> psprint: "512 kB RAM" is marketing shit. there are several RAMs with different properties and bus connections
2017-01-12T16:09:47 < dongs> synergy perhaps? https://symless.com/synergy/
2017-01-12T16:09:59 < Thorn> I think they may even be including USB FIFOs in that figure lol
2017-01-12T16:10:13 < dongs> nawh
2017-01-12T16:10:23 < Rob235> my pc is a htpc (home theater) I'm laying in bed on my mac and want to control the windows machine like putting on a movie, with remote desktop it logs you out of the windows machine to log in on the mac, with realvnc it doesn't log you out, just passes on the commands
2017-01-12T16:10:30 < Thorn> Rob235: google remote desktop seemed to work for me
2017-01-12T16:10:41 < Thorn> it's a chrome plugin (sic)
2017-01-12T16:10:42 < Rob235> unless remote desktop has an option to disable that
2017-01-12T16:11:49 < dongs> synergy would work but the real problem is you're using wrong tools for the job
2017-01-12T16:11:57 < dongs> get a fucking mediacenter remote for your PC
2017-01-12T16:11:58 < dongs> done.
2017-01-12T16:12:19 < dongs> what kinda faggot has a mac ~in bed~ to choose a movie on a PC
2017-01-12T16:12:26 < Rob235> I don't want to, realvnc would be perfect, stop being a dong, it just freezes for 5 seconds every time I reconnect
2017-01-12T16:12:38 < Rob235> because my pc is connected to my tv only
2017-01-12T16:13:09 < Rob235> its just meant for video and gaming
2017-01-12T16:14:33 < psprint> Thorn: above jpa- said: "STM32F769 datasheet (DM00273119) shows that the 3 ram sections are consecutive without gaps, and has dma access to DTCM" I must check that for the $24 board
2017-01-12T16:14:43 < dongs> it doesnt matter
2017-01-12T16:14:52 < dongs> it would be retarded to haev to read full frame in your application aynway.
2017-01-12T16:15:01 < dongs> if you onyl need 32x16 samples
2017-01-12T16:16:21 < psprint> yeah, just establishing things and there is the evolution possible via the dsp instructions you mentioned, who knows maybe I'll be doing Nyquist-frequency aware downscaling hehe (but not counting on it.. with 216 MHz CPU, on the other hand, who knows)
2017-01-12T16:16:53 < aandrew> dongs: what was that USBC interface IC you were happy with 
2017-01-12T16:17:36 < dongs> well theres a few, also depends if you ahve a MCU to configure it or not and exactly what you want it to do
2017-01-12T16:17:48 < dongs> i think most general purpose is cypress stuff
2017-01-12T16:19:42 < aandrew> that's USBC PD stuff?
2017-01-12T16:20:04 < aandrew> CCG4 stuff
2017-01-12T16:20:09 < dongs> yes
2017-01-12T16:20:25 < dongs> you get a M0 to fuck around with to do custom stuff
2017-01-12T16:20:35 < dongs> there are standalone PD-only stuff from normal vendors and china clones.
2017-01-12T16:22:00 < dongs> to do anythign clever you're gonna need a mcu there cuz most standalone ones are just specific function.
2017-01-12T16:23:03 < aandrew> right
2017-01-12T16:23:17 < aandrew> but USBC to just use USB (not power as well) you don't need anything like that do you?
2017-01-12T16:23:23 < dongs> nope
2017-01-12T16:23:25 < dongs> you dont need anythign
2017-01-12T16:23:30 < dongs> pullup/pulldown on CC shit i think
2017-01-12T16:23:37 < dongs> (zyp knows)
2017-01-12T16:23:44 < aandrew> huh
2017-01-12T16:23:54 < dongs> you just wanna use USB2 part?
2017-01-12T16:23:56 < aandrew> CCG1 is a tiny little M0 with USB, interesting
2017-01-12T16:24:00 < aandrew> siny little fucker
2017-01-12T16:24:00 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-12T16:24:05 < aandrew> tiny rather
2017-01-12T16:24:07 < dongs> it needs USB to do Billboard shit
2017-01-12T16:24:40 < aandrew> did they make an FX2LP for USBC? heh
2017-01-12T16:24:47 < dongs> yes its called FX3
2017-01-12T16:25:03 < aandrew> yes, I've used that
2017-01-12T16:25:08 < aandrew> FX3 is for USB3
2017-01-12T16:25:12 < aandrew> FX2 for USB2HS
2017-01-12T16:25:16 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-12T16:25:25 < aandrew> and FX3 can interface just fine with USBC for USB3?
2017-01-12T16:25:27 < dongs> nothign is stopping you from using FX2 on usb2 part of usb-c
2017-01-12T16:25:33 < aandrew> got it
2017-01-12T16:25:43 < dongs> fx3 doesnt have any analog frontend shit for the CC stuff
2017-01-12T16:25:58 < dongs> you'd still need a separate mcu-less usb-c thing to negotiate PD/altmode/wahtever if you needed to
2017-01-12T16:26:00 < aandrew> CC?
2017-01-12T16:26:15 < aandrew> oh the CCblahbalh PD stuff
2017-01-12T16:26:21 < dongs> the CC1/CC2 stuff that does pd/altmode.
2017-01-12T16:26:58 < aandrew> right
2017-01-12T16:27:01 < aandrew> I'm USBC stupid still
2017-01-12T16:27:08 < dongs> what are you trying to do
2017-01-12T16:27:46 < dongs> if youre just making usb3 device that doesnt need crazy charging requirements or  flips port status as device/host/whatever then you dont need anything weird
2017-01-12T16:30:16 < aandrew> right now? not trying to do anything. jus tin input mode
2017-01-12T16:30:35 < dongs> whats input? you mean a thing that plugs into usb-c port?
2017-01-12T16:30:38 < dongs> or youre making the port
2017-01-12T16:32:00 < aandrew> sorry no 
2017-01-12T16:32:04 < aandrew> I'm in input mode. just learning about it
2017-01-12T16:32:08 < aandrew> no specific project
2017-01-12T16:32:25 < dongs> ah right ok
2017-01-12T16:32:30 < dongs> anyway, answer is "depends"
2017-01-12T16:32:33 < dongs> :D
2017-01-12T16:36:00 < psprint> Cannot really find MicroXplorer download, is it free?
2017-01-12T16:36:39 < dongs> i think that got renamed to cube
2017-01-12T16:36:40 < dongs> years ago
2017-01-12T16:37:12 < psprint> :)
2017-01-12T16:38:24 < dongs> cubemx
2017-01-12T16:45:39 < Rob235> ahh teamviewer works great
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2017-01-12T16:54:57 < aandrew> dongs: heh yeah
2017-01-12T16:54:58 < aandrew> ok
2017-01-12T16:55:12 < aandrew> thanks, so cypress is kind of the name for now
2017-01-12T17:01:50 < psprint> jpa-: I cannot confirm your finding about 3 ram sections being consecutive, could you paste quote or do a screenshot?
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2017-01-12T17:06:19 < dongs> it doesnt matter, you should forget it anyway.
2017-01-12T17:06:30 < dongs> what youre going to do will not need contigious ram block anyhow.
2017-01-12T17:06:56 < dongs> but yeah, listen to waht othersa re recommending. just get a fucking rageberry pi zero
2017-01-12T17:06:59 < dongs> connect picam to it
2017-01-12T17:07:04 < dongs> use some python trash to scale dowen
2017-01-12T17:07:17 < dongs> https://github.com/hzeller/rpi-rgb-led-matrix use this to drive the led matrix
2017-01-12T17:07:17 < dongs> done.
2017-01-12T17:07:28 < dongs> total investment = $5 + $10 or wahtever picam clones cost.
2017-01-12T17:08:15 < aandrew> so did dongs predict it?
2017-01-12T17:08:23 < aandrew> lily drones is done. $30m vanished
2017-01-12T17:08:28 < dongs> yeah, of course
2017-01-12T17:08:33 < dongs> did they officially 'done' it?
2017-01-12T17:08:37 < dongs> there was some crap about no updates
2017-01-12T17:08:39 < dongs> few days ago
2017-01-12T17:08:50 < dongs> used their own begging platform too
2017-01-12T17:08:54 < dongs> so money = RIP
2017-01-12T17:09:07 < aandrew> I'm just reading on eev
2017-01-12T17:09:08 < aandrew> "The Lily Drone company has folded, admitted defeat, and will not deliver after 3 years, $30M in pre-sales, $15M in VC funding."
2017-01-12T17:09:26 < dongs> lmaooo
2017-01-12T17:09:39 < aandrew> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/lily-drone-folds-after-funding-dries-up/
2017-01-12T17:09:48 < dongs> oh this is eevbeg shit
2017-01-12T17:11:03 < aandrew> it's the only true news source
2017-01-12T17:11:39 < dongs> o this is 9 hour old news
2017-01-12T17:11:41 < dongs> fuck i missed it
2017-01-12T17:11:44 < dongs> i need to start waking up at 8am
2017-01-12T17:11:46 < dongs> and not at noon
2017-01-12T17:12:30 < psprint> dongs: hehe I dislike RPi for apparent the same reasons, some people recommended me cheap USB composite capture stick.. I'm not using camera but analog devices adv7280, seems it has exactly the pins of DCMI but they never called it that way. I'm just doing broad research, for 4 weeks now, finally found proper tools apparently
2017-01-12T17:13:56 < dongs> well, DCMI is ST name for it
2017-01-12T17:14:06 < dongs> its BT.868 or wahtever the fuck parallel port
2017-01-12T17:14:25 < dongs> what are you trying to do tho?
2017-01-12T17:14:44 < karlp> how mucg will lily be able to refund?
2017-01-12T17:14:46 < dongs> is this a one-off?
2017-01-12T17:15:30 < psprint> adv is ITU-R BT.656, with embedded SAV (start of active video), EAV codes in pixel data, some people have problems with it, not sure if they misconfigure or it's dcmi..
2017-01-12T17:15:37 < dongs> yeah that.
2017-01-12T17:16:30 < psprint> dongs: I'm going to drive 32x16 rgb led matrix with PAL/NTSC video from VCR or DVD, to obtain half abstract vs. half meaningful led images, driven by a prepared video
2017-01-12T17:17:17 < dongs> using mipi version of ADV7280M, writing lunix kernel driver for rageberry to talk to it sounds more productive than doing this on STM32
2017-01-12T17:17:55 < karlp> dongs: yeah, but psprint sounds like they're doign art, not productive
2017-01-12T17:18:00 < psprint> considered it but Rpi people on forums repeat that it's not really mipi, it's rather "specifically" for their camera module :)
2017-01-12T17:18:15 < dongs> well, i heard that as well
2017-01-12T17:18:41 < dongs> it is defnitely mipi, the problem is the closedsores driver.
2017-01-12T17:19:16 < psprint> I also heard that it's hard to get "mipi bridges", that only Toshiba makes some two
2017-01-12T17:19:25 < dongs> yeah, ive used them
2017-01-12T17:21:30 < psprint> seems you've completed significant part of my project, probably not used DVD but camera though
2017-01-12T17:22:32 < dongs> there are proably other embedded lunix board with real mipi-csi drivers that y ou could use that isnt rageberry, but they're gonna be in the $20-30$ range
2017-01-12T17:22:45 < dongs> in which case you can easily make ADV7280M breakout board for your shit.
2017-01-12T17:23:04 < dongs> and you'd have to port rgb matrix shit or wahtever to it
2017-01-12T17:23:14 < psprint> it's only 32 pins that's why I've chosen the chip, for easy breakout
2017-01-12T17:23:42 < psprint> yeah, did just brief look that, saw some stm32 port posts somewhere
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2017-01-12T17:25:01 < psprint> it's adafruit matrix, rather popular, but will have to research the stm32 port today
2017-01-12T17:25:28 < dongs> its not "adafruit" matrix, its chiense shit that the dike is selling at like 200% markup
2017-01-12T17:25:48 < dongs> they're all standard shift-register based shits
2017-01-12T17:25:53 < dongs> only a few variations for size/pinout
2017-01-12T17:26:14 < psprint> yeah it costs very much here, price of STM
2017-01-12T17:31:35 < jpa-> psprint: look at memory map diagram
2017-01-12T17:32:41 < dongs> if you're worried about STM pricing you might want to revisit this whole thing
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2017-01-12T17:36:49 < psprint> well $24 is acceptable, just think I should pay less for led matrix.. But on other hand, some resistors or capacitors can cost $10, maybe it's well matched price
2017-01-12T17:37:45 < Wewuzkangz> sup
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2017-01-12T17:51:14 < dongs> emeb: how bad is hal without cube?
2017-01-12T17:51:25 < dongs> like if you dont autogenerate anything and just use stuff
2017-01-12T17:53:53 < zyp> sup?
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2017-01-12T18:02:42 < emeb> dongs: it's not bad
2017-01-12T18:03:03 < emeb> the autogenerated stuff is pretty minimal anyway.
2017-01-12T18:03:43 < emeb> I just started using the example code and pulling the crud in the autogenerate in as hand-coded stuff.
2017-01-12T18:04:39 < dongs> does autogenerate really take like 30 lines to turn on each peripehrals
2017-01-12T18:04:45 < dongs> cuz you cant | together stuff?
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2017-01-12T18:05:10 < Laurenceb_> oh shit http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38597714
2017-01-12T18:05:15 < Laurenceb_> I've worked with this guy
2017-01-12T18:05:32 < Laurenceb_> inb4 /pol/ gets my email
2017-01-12T18:06:43 < dongs> emeb: never used it not-generated?
2017-01-12T18:06:46 < dongs> just using hal headers/wahtever?
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2017-01-12T18:09:02 < emeb> dongs: that's the only way I've ever used it.
2017-01-12T18:09:24 < dongs> so you didnt use cube to make junk code?
2017-01-12T18:09:31 < emeb> right
2017-01-12T18:09:32 < dongs>  emeb> I just started using the example code and pulling the crud in the autogenerate in as hand-coded stuff.
2017-01-12T18:09:35 < dongs> oh i see, i misread that
2017-01-12T18:09:41 < dongs> so you mean just looking at example and doing your ownw init
2017-01-12T18:09:45 < emeb> yes
2017-01-12T18:10:30 < emeb> the autogenerated stuff in the example code is pretty basic crap anyway - just starting clocks, setting GPIO, setting regs, etc.
2017-01-12T18:10:38 < emeb> all the stuff you'd do by hand in stdperiph
2017-01-12T18:11:22 < emeb> all the hard stuff  - actually handling data at runtime you have to do yourself anyway.
2017-01-12T18:11:27 < dongs> whjat about using shit like HAL_USART_Transmit_Interrupt(somethign liek that) not that exact stufrf but like hal "helpers" for doing DMA/IRQ/etc stuff in a specific way
2017-01-12T18:11:51 < emeb> yeah - that's not autogenerated. That's where the examples are good
2017-01-12T18:12:06 < dongs> so that stuff mostly works?
2017-01-12T18:12:18 < emeb> mostly there's just new names & params for the same functionality that stdperiph provided
2017-01-12T18:12:34 < emeb> so it's mainly a matter of figuring out what the new names & params are.
2017-01-12T18:12:36 < dongs> right
2017-01-12T18:12:47 < dongs> but std didnt provide actual drivers for stuff
2017-01-12T18:12:53 < emeb> sometimes there's more useful functionality than stdperiph did
2017-01-12T18:12:55 < Rickta59> other than having new names is there anything that it actually does better?
2017-01-12T18:12:58 < dongs> you init usart byn stuff but you don't have a usart_read_int-buffer
2017-01-12T18:13:05 < emeb> right
2017-01-12T18:13:37 < emeb> HAL has some nice high-level handlers built in for stuff like SDIO and I2C.
2017-01-12T18:13:45 < emeb> I've used that - it's fairly nice.
2017-01-12T18:14:08 < emeb> But AFAICT they don't have *everything* you might want.
2017-01-12T18:14:27 < emeb> like you still have to roll your own IRQ drivers for buffered USART stuff.
2017-01-12T18:17:08 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/11/microsoft_sued_failing_to_protect_workers/ Laurenceb_ dream job
2017-01-12T18:17:19 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2017-01-12T18:17:27 < aandrew> I need to use their FAT stuff for SD at some point
2017-01-12T18:17:43 < Laurenceb_> isnt it just Fatfs?
2017-01-12T18:18:10 < aandrew> yes
2017-01-12T18:18:16 < aandrew> I've never done anything with it, STM32 or not
2017-01-12T18:18:23 < Laurenceb_> lul ST cloners
2017-01-12T18:18:31 < aandrew> the last time I actually *worked* on FAT related shit was when I was a pimply faced 13 year old
2017-01-12T18:19:02 < dongs> i did SDIO with latest fatfs couple weeks ago for the DMX shit
2017-01-12T18:19:03 < dongs> was ez
2017-01-12T18:19:45 < Laurenceb_> is there a DDR SDIO mode for the latest cards?
2017-01-12T18:19:54 < dongs> no
2017-01-12T18:20:30 < Laurenceb_> https://community.nxp.com/thread/335874
2017-01-12T18:20:33 < Laurenceb_>  MMC mode?
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2017-01-12T18:33:12 < zyp> Laurenceb_, in what sense?
2017-01-12T18:33:30 < Laurenceb_> nvm
2017-01-12T18:33:34 < zyp> SDIO is DDR for the faster variants
2017-01-12T18:33:39 < Laurenceb_> I thought you needed MMC mode for DDR
2017-01-12T18:33:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah I see how
2017-01-12T18:33:51 < Laurenceb_> *now
2017-01-12T18:33:58 < dongs> but does ST do it?
2017-01-12T18:34:00 < zyp> no
2017-01-12T18:34:04 < dongs> thats what i thought
2017-01-12T18:34:22 < zyp> IIRC DDR mode also requires 1.8V voltage change
2017-01-12T18:35:35 < dongs> card vcc remains at 3.3?
2017-01-12T18:35:37 < dongs> or becomes 1.8
2017-01-12T18:37:12 < zyp> 1.8V I think, but I might be wrong
2017-01-12T18:37:27 < zyp> been a few years since I messed with it
2017-01-12T18:39:06 < dongs> lol, lily failed aroudn same time zano did, exactly 1 year ago
2017-01-12T18:39:34 < dongs> https://www.engadget.com/2016/01/20/kickstarter-explains-zano-drone-failure/ http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/12/14248988/lily-drone-tracking-dead-refunds
2017-01-12T18:39:40 < dongs> +- a couple weeks
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2017-01-12T18:47:24 < kakimir> didn't sleep last night
2017-01-12T18:47:43 < kakimir> buzzfeed removed my need for sleep or eat
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2017-01-12T19:04:39 < karlp> zyp: cm0+ is ok for bootloaders right? it's only cm0 that is busted with no scb_vtor shit?
2017-01-12T19:04:48 < dongs> yes
2017-01-12T19:05:09 < zyp> correct
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2017-01-12T19:05:24 < zyp> that's why I prefer L0 over F0
2017-01-12T19:05:39 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BPKronqg_HP/
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2017-01-12T19:09:46 < karlp> hate trying to work out the l0 differences
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2017-01-12T19:12:49 < karlp> 7 datasheets just for l0x1
2017-01-12T19:14:06 < Laurenceb_> shit channers have my old email
2017-01-12T19:14:45 < karlp> oh huh, you can only _write protect_ in sectors, so 4k chunks, but you can not protect and just erase what you like.
2017-01-12T19:14:52 < karlp> so my 5k bootloader isn't entirely disastrous then
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2017-01-12T19:15:40 < dongs> ? 
2017-01-12T19:16:00 < dongs> other than it will take 8k of flash at start, yeah
2017-01-12T19:17:04 < karlp> I mean, I can only _protect_ 8k,
2017-01-12T19:17:22 < karlp> but if I don't turn on protection, it's perfectoly ok with erasing and reprogramming just from 6k and up or so
2017-01-12T19:17:23 < dongs> yeah, its per flash page
2017-01-12T19:17:34 < karlp> protectionper sector,  erase is per page
2017-01-12T19:17:39 < dongs> eh? how you gonna erase oh ok
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2017-01-12T19:17:58 < dongs> i wasnt aware tehres a difference
2017-01-12T19:18:15  * karlp either
2017-01-12T19:18:27 < karlp> doesn't matter on the l1, 32k is the smallest there, and app is only 15k anyway.
2017-01-12T19:18:43 < karlp> but for a new thing, looking at perhaps l0 to be cheeper, and they go down to 8k flash total.
2017-01-12T19:18:44 < dongs> i thought protection was per page tho
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2017-01-12T19:26:10 < PaulFertser> I've been searching and searching and so far I failed to find any mention of someone successfully glitching or bypassing readout protection anyhow on stm32. One company offers to read the flash for $2000.
2017-01-12T19:26:33 < PaulFertser> I wonder, can that mean that stm32 is relatively secure even though not really tamper-proof?
2017-01-12T19:26:48 < dongs> $2000 is not secure
2017-01-12T19:26:56 < dongs> thats pocket change for someone who wants your code
2017-01-12T19:27:12 < englishman> pretty sure it's vulnerable to all sorts of attacks
2017-01-12T19:29:25 < PaulFertser> englishman: why?
2017-01-12T19:29:40 < englishman> because it's inherently an insecure system
2017-01-12T19:29:49 < Emilgardis> Anyone know how to add .ld to uvision?
2017-01-12T19:30:23 < Emilgardis> Or how to just simulate elf (or binary) without having to use uvision?
2017-01-12T19:30:29 < dongs> ?
2017-01-12T19:30:29 < dongs> what'
2017-01-12T19:30:39 < PaulFertser> englishman: I've found plenty of RE reports involving STM32 and every time they managed to find some flaw in upgrade procedure, not really break the readout protection.
2017-01-12T19:30:48 < dongs> ld = target memory map dialog
2017-01-12T19:30:53 < dongs> why would you need a script
2017-01-12T19:30:54 < englishman> that's the same goal, right?
2017-01-12T19:31:13 < Emilgardis> wait, you are right
2017-01-12T19:31:15 < englishman> whether the vulnerability is with ARM or ST's crappy bootloader stored in ROM written by estonian interns
2017-01-12T19:31:16 < Emilgardis> why would I
2017-01-12T19:31:29 < Emilgardis> Now I'm mixed up
2017-01-12T19:31:37 < PaulFertser> englishman: nope, nobody found any flaw in the ROM bootloader.
2017-01-12T19:32:25 < dongs> its not like rom bootloader isnt opensores...
2017-01-12T19:32:30 < dongs> you can grab the code and examine it
2017-01-12T19:32:56 < Emilgardis> My problem is that uvision won't compile my .s because it apparently has undefined symbols. However, running arm-none-eabi-as works fine for me
2017-01-12T19:32:59 < PaulFertser> Yes, but readout protection is on hardware level, you can't read flash from bootloader, can't read from SRAM, can't read from jtag. 
2017-01-12T19:33:11 < Emilgardis> * compile as in use
2017-01-12T19:33:14 < dongs> Emilgardis: so compile it, then add the .o to your project
2017-01-12T19:33:22 < Emilgardis> you can do that?
2017-01-12T19:33:25 < dongs> or fix startup file
2017-01-12T19:33:25 < dongs> yes?
2017-01-12T19:33:27 < dongs> why wouldnt you
2017-01-12T19:33:34 < dongs> you can add .lib or .o
2017-01-12T19:33:41 < dongs> if it doenst let you do .o direclty, stick it into a .lib
2017-01-12T19:33:50 < dongs> using ar.exe or whatever
2017-01-12T19:33:57 < Emilgardis> Hmm, ok
2017-01-12T19:34:45 < PaulFertser> dongs: you know some people are using stm32 as a ghetto smart-card? 
2017-01-12T19:34:58 < dongs> you mean as reader, or as simulator?
2017-01-12T19:35:01 < dongs> i've done both, yes
2017-01-12T19:35:10 < PaulFertser> dongs: no, I mean as a smartcard itself.
2017-01-12T19:35:13 < dongs> yeah.
2017-01-12T19:35:15 < dongs> so as emulator
2017-01-12T19:35:18 < dongs> its simple.
2017-01-12T19:35:41 < dongs> PaulFertser: i have a footprint of smartcard pads in my altidumb library
2017-01-12T19:35:43 < dongs> for that purpose :)
2017-01-12T19:35:55 < PaulFertser> https://www.nitrokey.com/ see netrokey start section
2017-01-12T19:36:07 < englishman> lol
2017-01-12T19:36:10 < englishman> RSA it ain't
2017-01-12T19:36:22 < dongs> PaulFertser: oh, so its a USB CCID device
2017-01-12T19:36:24 < dongs> that acts as a smartcard
2017-01-12T19:36:26 < PaulFertser> Yes
2017-01-12T19:36:28 < dongs> thats even less impressive.
2017-01-12T19:36:34 < dongs> shruggin'
2017-01-12T19:36:39 < karlp> stm32l0x1's don't really have very good availability though
2017-01-12T19:36:52 < PaulFertser> It's a commercial product, people buy it and use intead of smart cards.
2017-01-12T19:37:01 < englishman> https://www.nitrokey.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_thumbnail/public/field/image/Ulaanbaata.jpg?itok=lgYl7WN9
2017-01-12T19:37:03 < englishman> totally relevant
2017-01-12T19:37:09 < dongs> ahaha
2017-01-12T19:37:10 < dongs> OLPC
2017-01-12T19:37:15 < dongs> what the fuck is this, some opensores shit?
2017-01-12T19:37:20 < englishman> it is too
2017-01-12T19:37:29 < englishman> Both hardware and software are open-source, free software and allow independent security reviews. Customisable, no vendor lock-in, no security via obfuscation, no hidden security issues!
2017-01-12T19:37:55 < englishman> https://github.com/nitrokey
2017-01-12T19:38:06 < dongs> > dongleauth
2017-01-12T19:38:07 < dongs> i like that
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2017-01-12T19:38:24 < karlp> Emilgardis: are you still in your world of "I'd rather hand write assembly and try and simluate it instead of just compilign some .c that I know works"?
2017-01-12T19:38:24 < PaulFertser> dongs: what non-lol solution can you recommend as a USB CCID device?
2017-01-12T19:38:31 < dongs> PaulFertser: what do you mean?
2017-01-12T19:38:37 < dongs> what do you want to "do"?
2017-01-12T19:38:45 < englishman> ^
2017-01-12T19:38:53 < PaulFertser> dongs: I mean something to store secure keys to do SSH, signing stuff etc.
2017-01-12T19:39:13 < dongs> oh i dunno, i dont do that kidna stuff so no idea
2017-01-12T19:39:25 < englishman> usbkey + veracrypt or some lunixy assange shit?
2017-01-12T19:39:39 < dongs> when i need usb card reader I just use some alcor micro shit
2017-01-12T19:39:55 < PaulFertser> englishman: when your PC is compromised, your key is compromised too. Even this stm32 protects you better. 
2017-01-12T19:39:57 < dongs> i started writing ccid firmware for stm32 but got lazy
2017-01-12T19:39:59 < karlp> 13 week lead time.
2017-01-12T19:40:01  * karlp goes home
2017-01-12T19:40:02 < dongs> cuz for $1 you can get some alcor reader
2017-01-12T19:40:04 < englishman> if you have secrets valuable enough to *actually care* about that shit, chances are your shit is already broken
2017-01-12T19:40:22 < dongs> PaulFertser: how does it protect?
2017-01-12T19:40:25 < kakimir> anyone know if zotrax z-ultrat filament prints are possible to be acetone smoothed?
2017-01-12T19:40:27 < dongs> are you supposed to remove it from PC?
2017-01-12T19:40:28 < dongs> to use it?
2017-01-12T19:40:31 < englishman> if your PC is compromised, why bother with anything else?
2017-01-12T19:40:47 < englishman> are you referring to forward secrecy?
2017-01-12T19:41:18 < dongs> EESchema..
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2017-01-12T19:41:22 < dongs> PaulFertser: what the fuck is this,m gEDA?
2017-01-12T19:41:33 < dongs> https://github.com/Nitrokey/nitrokey-pro-hardware/blob/master/src/cryptostick.sch
2017-01-12T19:41:59 < PaulFertser> dongs: it protects because the key is on the stm32 and never leaves it. And you need it to be physically stolen to be compromised, and you'll notice that.
2017-01-12T19:42:11 < dongs> PCBNEW.
2017-01-12T19:42:13 < PaulFertser> No idea, I'm not into gEDA
2017-01-12T19:42:15 < dongs> yeah tis fucking geda. holy shit
2017-01-12T19:42:30 < dongs> hm no wait thats kikecad. 
2017-01-12T19:42:32 < dongs> o kwathever same shit
2017-01-12T19:42:37 < dongs> PaulFertser: right so you mean ih ave to physically plug this shit in
2017-01-12T19:42:41 < dongs> and i can just leave it in the pc
2017-01-12T19:42:53 < englishman> so as soon as you plug your key into compromised PC, it is broken for past, present and future
2017-01-12T19:42:54 < PaulFertser> dongs: yes, or you can remove after you did your signing/whatever.
2017-01-12T19:42:55 < dongs> and theres no difference
2017-01-12T19:42:59 < englishman> unlike an RSA dongle
2017-01-12T19:43:04 < PaulFertser> englishman: nope, why?
2017-01-12T19:43:11 < englishman> because of what you just said?
2017-01-12T19:43:14 < englishman> it makes key avaialble to PC
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2017-01-12T20:00:11 < PaulFertser> englishman: no, it makes operations with the key available to PC, only for the durations it's connected, and all the crypto happens on stm32 itself.
2017-01-12T20:00:29 < PaulFertser> englishman: I mean it really acts as a proper smartcard, just not tamper-proof.
2017-01-12T20:02:16 < dongs> huih
2017-01-12T20:02:26 < dongs> PaulFertser: https://github.com/giuseppebarba/qemu-stm32/blob/master/hw/ccid-card-emulated.c interesting
2017-01-12T20:03:17 < dongs> weird that this would be in qemu
2017-01-12T20:04:10 < dongs> anyway, nitroshit doesnt look like anything special
2017-01-12T20:04:19 < dongs> and code looks like mostly crapped together ST samples.
2017-01-12T20:08:19 < PaulFertser> dongs: nitrokey runs https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/gnuk/
2017-01-12T20:08:30 < dongs> i know
2017-01-12T20:08:32 < dongs> they have a shithub with same shit.
2017-01-12T20:11:16 < PaulFertser> So let's assume it costs $2000 to exract that key. What would be the figure for a real smart card?
2017-01-12T20:11:36 < dongs> probly 10-50x that
2017-01-12T20:11:45 < dongs> i got it done for <20k before
2017-01-12T20:12:14 < PaulFertser> Extracting from tamper-proof?
2017-01-12T20:12:31 < dongs> from ST19-based stuff
2017-01-12T20:13:19 < BrainDamage> tamper proof have nasty shit like reactive metal layers sandwitched in the oxide layers, covered metal layers, etc
2017-01-12T20:13:26 < dongs> right
2017-01-12T20:13:44 < dongs> and circuits that reset on power/clock/etc glitching
2017-01-12T20:17:03 < PaulFertser> Still stm32 seems much better than a key on mass storage.
2017-01-12T20:17:14 < BrainDamage> nobody's gonna argue that one
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2017-01-12T20:17:30 < BrainDamage> but why not getting a commercial known working device?
2017-01-12T20:17:57 < BrainDamage> or are you trying to make your own product?
2017-01-12T20:18:35 < PaulFertser> No, I just do not see why I might want to spend 50EUR per every hardware token I'd like to have handy.
2017-01-12T20:20:04 < PaulFertser> And my threat model doesn't really give many points to a tamper-proof device, it'd seem like a money waste without any gain.
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2017-01-12T20:43:19 < kakimir> hello
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2017-01-12T20:58:43 < kakimir> can and will compilers today attitibute functions as "pure" or "const" automatically?
2017-01-12T20:59:13 < Rob235> can you make a board with a pci-e slot, plug a regular graphics card into it and interact with it using a mcu?
2017-01-12T21:01:38 < kakimir> bit bang those LVDS lines?
2017-01-12T21:01:56 < Rob235> fpga?
2017-01-12T21:02:04 < kakimir> https://www.xilinx.com/products/technology/pci-express.html yes
2017-01-12T21:02:29 < kakimir> if you want mcu check what texas has
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2017-01-12T21:04:19 < Rob235> fpga would be fine. Just not sure how difficult it would be
2017-01-12T21:04:52 < Rob235> you can get an adapter to plug a x16 card into an x1 slot?
2017-01-12T21:04:58 < Rob235> or something like that?
2017-01-12T21:05:07 < kakimir> just plug it
2017-01-12T21:05:15 < kakimir> it doesn't need all the lines
2017-01-12T21:05:18 < kakimir> it just sucks
2017-01-12T21:05:34 < kakimir> wait no
2017-01-12T21:06:02 < Rob235> I don't need high throughput from the mcu/fpga to the card, just high speed doing calculations in the card itself
2017-01-12T21:06:04 < kakimir> connectors at least physically do not allow to do that in that direction
2017-01-12T21:06:27 < kakimir> Rob235: are you planning to connect GPU to arduino to mine some buttcoins?
2017-01-12T21:06:44 < Rob235> not arduino and not bitcoin
2017-01-12T21:07:05 < kakimir> ibteresting
2017-01-12T21:07:12 < Rob235> think it would work?
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2017-01-12T21:07:50 < kakimir> if you get the bus rigth
2017-01-12T21:08:13 < kakimir> there is the problem with propiertary features in the card
2017-01-12T21:08:27 < Rob235> amd cards seem to be very open in that sense
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2017-01-12T21:08:40 < kakimir> how open?
2017-01-12T21:09:12 < Rob235> I forget what language it uses but I think you can just write your own code for it, not sure how the hardware aspect works though
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2017-01-12T21:10:00 < Rob235> opencl
2017-01-12T21:10:05 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
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2017-01-12T21:10:53 < BrainDamage> you don't have direct pin control over what happends on the bus just like you don't control what goes on the cpu FSB with a userspace c program
2017-01-12T21:13:45 < Rob235> I assumed it would be something along the lines of compiling the openCL code and using fpga IP to feed the code to the card or something
2017-01-12T21:13:51 < kakimir> there is jtag in pci-e
2017-01-12T21:14:48 < kakimir> does it mean there is jtag interfaces in pc motherboard?
2017-01-12T21:15:03 < kakimir> *bridge chip
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2017-01-12T21:15:57 < Rob235> Im' considering just using fpga and foregoing the pci-e cards altogether but I'm not sure what kind of speeds I'd get without a lot of onboard cache/bram
2017-01-12T21:16:22 < Rob235> not sure ddr3 would be fast enough
2017-01-12T21:18:40 < kakimir> there is fpga chips for every need
2017-01-12T21:18:55 < Rob235> yes but those with enough bram are too expensive to be worth it
2017-01-12T21:19:03 < Rob235> would take a year to pay for itself
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2017-01-12T21:21:23 < Rob235> ever since bitcoin asics came out other coins realized they needed to use a different, memory intensive algorithm to spread the wealth
2017-01-12T21:21:59 < Rob235> gpus use a lot of power so they aren't exactly ideal either but they aren't terrible ideas
2017-01-12T21:22:41 < kakimir> aha
2017-01-12T21:23:06 < Rob235> with a video card, half of profit (at least) goes to power cost
2017-01-12T21:23:39 < Rob235> unless you move to greenland
2017-01-12T21:23:42 < Rob235> or get solar
2017-01-12T21:23:45 < Rob235> but thats another investment
2017-01-12T21:24:07 < kakimir> or heat your house with it
2017-01-12T21:24:18 < Rob235> heh, thats one expensive heater
2017-01-12T21:24:32 < kakimir> or live in some student apartment where you don't pay elec
2017-01-12T21:24:47 < Rob235> exactly, thats something people do, find students and give them a share
2017-01-12T21:24:58 < kakimir> why are you doing this?
2017-01-12T21:25:09 < Rob235> fun/interest/possibly money
2017-01-12T21:25:33 < jadew> ffs... apparently ubuntu & doesn't have a crappy color calibration utility
2017-01-12T21:26:09 < jadew> I had to write something quick that passes values to xrandr, so I can have a 4 freaking sliders
2017-01-12T21:27:33 < kakimir> Rob235: just use some motherboard with 8links or so?
2017-01-12T21:27:50 < kakimir> do cost analysis
2017-01-12T21:29:03 < Rob235> I have, I don't have enough to invest in something like that, it would take too long to start making any sort of profit.  I figured if I could design my own that uses bare minimum of what is needed component wise then I could have something cheaper and that uses less power than currently available solutions such as general purpose PCs
2017-01-12T21:29:35 < Rob235> and get profit sooner and just keep building more
2017-01-12T21:30:04 < Rob235> I have an fpga, been learning how to use it, I'll see what kind of speeds I get from it soon
2017-01-12T21:30:26 < Rob235> doesn't have enough cache but it has ddr3 so we'll see
2017-01-12T21:31:26 < Rob235> maybe SRAM would be ok
2017-01-12T21:31:31 < Rob235> expensive but not as bad
2017-01-12T21:33:02 < Rob235>   I think 2MB is around $60
2017-01-12T21:35:33 < kakimir> I say if you don't play with 1) fpgas 2) pci-e 3) software you intended to use as your job or hobby in day to day basis you have slim chance
2017-01-12T21:35:53 < kakimir> as a hobby project
2017-01-12T21:35:56 < kakimir> by yourself
2017-01-12T21:36:26 < kakimir> it's a big project
2017-01-12T21:36:37 < Rob235> probably but I'm still gonna try. at least with the fpga alone because really its just a bunch of crypto algorithms that are available in vhdl/verilog online, just gotta put em together in the right order
2017-01-12T21:37:36 < Rob235> then see if its worth putting more time into to optimize and try new things
2017-01-12T21:37:57 < Rob235> if not I can put fpga and vhdl on my resume as things I know :P
2017-01-12T21:40:48 < kakimir> you may succeed but wont result into economically viable device
2017-01-12T21:41:42 < kakimir> just a electricity burner
2017-01-12T21:41:57 < Rob235> yea thats what I meant by my last statement, if it works but not economically viable then I could still pad my resume with knowing fpgas and vhdl
2017-01-12T21:42:12 < Rob235> still get something small out of it :)
2017-01-12T21:43:59 < Rob235> I still have 3 classes to go to graduate, one is my senior capstone so I could use it as my project for that and write it up. (trying to find reasons to go ahead with it haha)
2017-01-12T21:44:16 < ReadErr> https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/bill-decriminalizing-domestic-violence-passes-first-reading-in-russian-parliament-56783
2017-01-12T21:45:20 < kakimir> moving to russia
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2017-01-12T21:45:25 < Rob235> haha
2017-01-12T21:51:46 < kakimir> what are they up to?
2017-01-12T21:54:35 < kakimir> can't you just pay to make things go away in there
2017-01-12T21:55:01 < Rob235> let's find out :) 
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2017-01-12T21:55:21 < Rob235> if no one hears from kakimir for a while... 
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2017-01-12T21:57:28 < ReadErr> you can pay a paki on freelancer
2017-01-12T21:57:32 < ReadErr> they solve all problems.
2017-01-12T21:57:50 < jadew> ReadErr: shows 404 for me
2017-01-12T21:58:08 < ReadErr> works here
2017-01-12T21:58:12 < jadew> ah, silly IRC client
2017-01-12T21:59:50 < kakimir> army of pakis
2017-01-12T22:02:08 < kakimir> just for 100$ 
2017-01-12T22:02:20 < kakimir> *$100
2017-01-12T22:07:29 < kakimir> were are all #stm32-pakis ?
2017-01-12T22:08:14 < upgrdman> theyre busy designed escs with sma pwm pins
2017-01-12T22:08:32 < upgrdman> and ass loads of vias around the traces
2017-01-12T22:08:57 < kakimir> no way they use such expensive connectors
2017-01-12T22:08:57 < ReadErr> anyone got the link to spirits freelancer thing?
2017-01-12T22:09:32 < upgrdman> kakimir, theyre just use SMAs cast from pot metal
2017-01-12T22:09:38 < upgrdman> who need gold platiing
2017-01-12T22:09:49 < upgrdman> just use chineseium
2017-01-12T22:12:13 < upgrdman> ohsix, that jizz gel sucks actually. i mean it works, but feather duster + toothbrush would clean much better and quicker for most things. also, the jizz gel breaks down kinda easily so when it wears out it just sticks to you and wont easily come off
2017-01-12T22:12:35 < kakimir> jizz
2017-01-12T22:12:47 < upgrdman> kakimir, s/jizz gel/ebay cleaning putty
2017-01-12T22:13:23 < kakimir> you hate me upgrdman 
2017-01-12T22:13:30 < upgrdman> kakimir, no. why?
2017-01-12T22:13:43 < kakimir> after seeing all the nasty things I do
2017-01-12T22:13:56 < upgrdman> ?
2017-01-12T22:14:57 < kakimir> SMAs
2017-01-12T22:15:30 < upgrdman> just poking fun. i wouldn't want you any other way
2017-01-12T22:17:04 < englishman> Rob235> not arduino and not bitcoin
2017-01-12T22:17:07 < englishman> stm32 and dogecoil
2017-01-12T22:17:13 < englishman> dogecoin, obviously
2017-01-12T22:17:36 < Rob235> no but it could be a possibility, haven't looked at dodge's algo
2017-01-12T22:17:56 < Rob235> basically it would be nice to mine whatever I wanted
2017-01-12T22:18:09 < Rob235> xmr/monero is where my interest lies though
2017-01-12T22:18:17 < Rob235> if you really want to know
2017-01-12T22:18:24 < englishman> good luck
2017-01-12T22:18:29 < Rob235> thanks i'll need it
2017-01-12T22:19:55 < ReadErr> naggers
2017-01-12T22:19:59 < ReadErr> nobody has the freelancer link?
2017-01-12T22:20:53 < Rob235> the cryptonight algorithm does like 3-4000 rounds of aes
2017-01-12T22:22:09 < Rob235> plus keccak in the beginning and a random runner up (I think there are 5 or 6 of em) for sha-3
2017-01-12T22:24:42 < BrainDamage> I'm always kinda skeptical on those cryptocurrencies, they try to make the algos less favourable on asic based on some vacuous assumptions
2017-01-12T22:24:55 < BrainDamage> and some afaik got even bitten in the ass already
2017-01-12T22:26:10 < Rob235> yea, I like monero though, I think they have the best technology and most active dev team
2017-01-12T22:26:25 < Rob235> and you can always trade between them if one starts to look like its going downhill
2017-01-12T22:27:12 < Rob235> china is screwing things up though, they are talking about regulations and that caused the prices to crash yesterday but they are rebounding
2017-01-12T22:27:39 < Rob235> you can always mine one and just trade it for bitcoin, I don't think that's going anywhere anytime soon
2017-01-12T22:27:44 < BrainDamage> they probably just want a share of the pie
2017-01-12T22:28:03 < BrainDamage> capitalism is ok as long as the government gets a share
2017-01-12T22:28:33 < Rob235> it just sucks because the point of crypto is to get away from government and centralization 
2017-01-12T22:29:09 < BrainDamage> the moment you're making it an arms race centralization automatically becomes the best option
2017-01-12T22:29:49 < BrainDamage> worse, with broadcast protocols, the cost to access the network *as client* scales up with network size quadratically
2017-01-12T22:30:12 < BrainDamage> soon bitcoin won't have pure clients be able to run on consumer pcs
2017-01-12T22:30:18 < Kliment> anyone know the pinout of the swd on the old disco with the 4 pin connector?
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2017-01-12T22:30:51 < Laurenceb_> bitcoin strikes me as something with some very neat ideas, but in need of a version 2 or something
2017-01-12T22:30:59 < Laurenceb_> like they launched it before it was ready
2017-01-12T22:31:11 < gxti> it was a proof of concept to begin with
2017-01-12T22:31:16 < gxti> then for some inane reason people took it seriously
2017-01-12T22:31:27 < Rob235> silk road
2017-01-12T22:31:30 < Laurenceb_> yeah it has some v impractical aspects
2017-01-12T22:31:33 < Laurenceb_> lol yup
2017-01-12T22:31:59 < Laurenceb_> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hYK8-I0Qg7E/maxresdefault.jpg
2017-01-12T22:32:26 < Rob235> monero is pretty bad about block size, especially with the new ringCT implementation but its the only really anonymous one as far as I know
2017-01-12T22:33:27 < BrainDamage> Kliment: VDD_TARGET SWCLK GND SWDIO
2017-01-12T22:33:55 < Rob235> it has cool technology
2017-01-12T22:35:33 < Kliment> BrainDamage: thanks
2017-01-12T22:36:24 < BrainDamage> Rob235: anonymous as in not pseudonymous?
2017-01-12T22:36:38 < Rob235> not sure tbh
2017-01-12T22:37:17 < kakimir> my enum is not visible in source file
2017-01-12T22:37:26 < kakimir> apparently
2017-01-12T22:37:35 < kakimir> should I hand write them macros
2017-01-12T22:37:36 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-12T22:37:52 < Steffanx> sudo make sense.
2017-01-12T22:38:30 < kakimir> invalid option: sense
2017-01-12T22:38:32 < Rob235> my copy of 'practical electronics for inventors' came in yesterday :)
2017-01-12T22:39:44 < kakimir> I wonder if I should buy some book about producing stuff in shanghai
2017-01-12T22:40:14 < kakimir> I saw in EEVlog
2017-01-12T22:40:25 < Rob235> I can't stand that guys accent
2017-01-12T22:40:37 < BrainDamage> kakimir: yeah, it's called http://www.learnchineseez.com/lessons/mandarin/
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2017-01-12T22:48:41 < Emilgardis> What! eevs accent is fine!
2017-01-12T22:49:06 < Emilgardis> Could somebody explain what pop does, I've read the documentation but I don't understand it
2017-01-12T22:49:07 < Rob235> its not terrible, it's just very strong
2017-01-12T22:49:22 < Emilgardis> I have a pop {r4, pc}
2017-01-12T22:49:38 < Emilgardis> Oh yes it definitely i
2017-01-12T22:49:42 < Emilgardis> * is
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2017-01-12T22:50:51 < Rob235> I'm waiting the whole time for a kangaroo to run across the screen
2017-01-12T22:50:58 < BrainDamage> who cares about the pipsqueak, the real problem is the information density, it takes him 40 min to present something that can be summarized in 2-3 sentences
2017-01-12T22:51:08 < BrainDamage> but he needs the runtime
2017-01-12T22:51:40 < Emilgardis> 5 minute teardowns ?
2017-01-12T22:51:54 < Emilgardis> He is getting better at it
2017-01-12T22:52:59 < englishman> still better than rossman
2017-01-12T22:53:10 < englishman> that just leavs the camera running for 9h while murmuring to himself
2017-01-12T22:54:34 < englishman> fuck, cant get li-ion cells shipped intl from digikrap
2017-01-12T22:54:38 < englishman> racists
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2017-01-12T22:56:54 < kakimir> I have like enum{CRAP1, CRAP2, CRAP3};
2017-01-12T22:57:16 < kakimir> CRAP1 seems not to be visible in source.cpp
2017-01-12T22:57:30 < kakimir> how to play this?
2017-01-12T23:08:20 < kakimir> header.h is included in source.cpp
2017-01-12T23:19:29 < aandrew> wis CRAP1 defined in some other class?
2017-01-12T23:20:08 < kakimir> no way
2017-01-12T23:22:31 < zyp> kakimir, you're probably looking at it in the wrong way
2017-01-12T23:22:38 < zyp> the way you describe it shouldn't be a problem
2017-01-12T23:33:32 < kakimir> oaky
2017-01-12T23:33:33 < kakimir> okay
2017-01-12T23:33:44 < kakimir> == was not to be used with #if
2017-01-12T23:33:50 < kakimir> just if X Y
2017-01-12T23:35:55 < kakimir> still not working but working differently
2017-01-12T23:39:47 < ReadErr> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/youtubes-biggest-star-pewdiepie-causes-controversy-death-all-jews-video-1600569
2017-01-12T23:48:17 < ohsix> upgrdman: word
2017-01-12T23:48:22 < ohsix> haven't got mine yet
2017-01-12T23:48:24 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-12T23:48:41 < upgrdman> well i bought 3 so i have 2 left to dick with if i get bored
2017-01-12T23:48:47 < ohsix> it is the kind of thing that only works a few times, since it will lose moisture and catch a bunch of dirt
2017-01-12T23:48:53 < ohsix> does it come with a bag or pot to store it in?
2017-01-12T23:49:06 < upgrdman> well it catches the dirt, but it actually fell like it get more moist
2017-01-12T23:49:18 < kakimir> pot
2017-01-12T23:49:21 < ohsix> yea that's from moisture coming out of it lul
2017-01-12T23:49:35 < ohsix> they're polymerjunks that have a tenuous relationship with the solvents in them
2017-01-12T23:49:44 < upgrdman> so at first its sticky but holds together well. when worn out, its stink but pulls apart constantly
2017-01-12T23:50:14 < upgrdman> s/stink/sticky
2017-01-12T23:52:04 < upgrdman> also when worn out it leave cum stains on things instead of cleanly pulling off
2017-01-12T23:52:14 < upgrdman> so you have to like double dab
2017-01-12T23:53:13 < kakimir> sticky kush
2017-01-12T23:59:19 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeDNGV2h1VnZSb0U/view?usp=sharing
2017-01-12T23:59:37 < kakimir> ttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOUM1YXVnUldScTQ/view?usp=sharing
2017-01-12T23:59:44 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOUM1YXVnUldScTQ/view?usp=sharing
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2017-01-13T00:03:40 < karlp> PaulFertser: for your key shits, that aussie video dude was giving a lighning talk on http://tomu.im/ if you're into that sort of thing.
2017-01-13T00:03:50 < karlp> same idea, didn't want to spend $50per device 
2017-01-13T00:05:55 < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/rF6Uv3mY there is header part
2017-01-13T00:06:08 < kakimir> what I'm doing wrong
2017-01-13T00:06:10 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-13T00:07:21 < psprint> hah played with CubeMX, selected STM767, activated "DCMI 8-bit embedded synchro", and required pins showed up – only DATA0-DATA7, and Pixel Clock
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2017-01-13T00:08:30 < psprint> now if only someone could confirm that Analog Devices' chips use normally looking embedded synchro codes, because STM expects normal not "reversed" arrangement of them: https://community.st.com/thread/35939-has-anyone-ran-analog-devices-video-decoders-with-f7-dcmi
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2017-01-13T00:16:07 < kakimir> okay guise
2017-01-13T00:17:08 < kakimir> if you needed to have dozens of nested loops in a one huge pile
2017-01-13T00:17:16 < kakimir> and you rather not have that
2017-01-13T00:18:45 < zyp> rm -rf /
2017-01-13T00:19:08 < kakimir> some data structure with pointer chaining and counter and ..
2017-01-13T00:19:23 < kakimir> wait maybe just a array
2017-01-13T00:19:47 < kakimir> then just have one loop to run that array per nested loop logic
2017-01-13T00:19:52 < kakimir> is that how you do it?
2017-01-13T00:20:45 < zyp> how many levels are you nesting?
2017-01-13T00:21:13 < kakimir> like 20
2017-01-13T00:21:45 < kakimir> google "dynamic number of nested for loops" maybe
2017-01-13T00:22:02 < zyp> wat?
2017-01-13T00:22:17 < zyp> wtf are you doing that requires 20 levels of loops?
2017-01-13T00:22:51 < Thorn> something stupid
2017-01-13T00:23:09 < zyp> x**20 becomes really large really fast
2017-01-13T00:23:38 < zyp> even for x=2 that's 2M iterations of the inner loop
2017-01-13T00:24:00 < kakimir> it gets stupid really quick
2017-01-13T00:24:12 < zyp> yes
2017-01-13T00:24:21 < zyp> so your premise doesn't make sense
2017-01-13T00:24:40 < kakimir> I don't need it just understood it
2017-01-13T00:24:40 < zyp> and it's pretty pointless to solve a problem when the premise doesn't make sense
2017-01-13T00:28:29 < kakimir> just wanted to think about fun trick to avoid division operation
2017-01-13T00:29:33 < zyp> by brute forcing the result instead?
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2017-01-13T00:29:43 < BrainDamage> thanks for the lol
2017-01-13T00:29:56 < kakimir> zyp: kind of
2017-01-13T00:30:02 < kakimir> computers are fast
2017-01-13T00:30:20 < jadew> mine rarely moves
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2017-01-13T00:30:51 < zyp> mine has been around the world a couple of times
2017-01-13T00:31:05 < BrainDamage> you can always accelerate your computer at 9.8/m/s^2 
2017-01-13T00:32:27 < jadew> speaking about units, I can finally run qalculate :P
2017-01-13T00:33:12 < jadew> one of the things that made the linux experience a bit less sower
2017-01-13T00:33:20 < zyp> oh, I meant 1M before, btw.
2017-01-13T00:33:46 < zyp> same order of magnitude though
2017-01-13T00:35:30 < kakimir> zyp: actually I want to make my brute force like more.. fast
2017-01-13T00:36:44 < zyp> then don't brute force
2017-01-13T00:37:07 < jadew> kakimir, use GPU acceleration :P
2017-01-13T00:37:34 < jadew> then you can do 20^x really fast
2017-01-13T00:38:26 < jadew> hmm, would it be any faster tho?
2017-01-13T00:38:58 < Thorn> put your force on tanks. you will have an armored brute force then
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2017-01-13T00:50:26 < psprint> jpa-: looked at the memory map (finally), very explicit about it being continuous
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2017-01-13T01:02:20 < ohsix> lul'
2017-01-13T01:02:48 < ohsix> son of plywood company that fancies himself a globe trotter thought irc was 'pages of code'
2017-01-13T01:02:54 < ohsix> had top close laptop
2017-01-13T01:03:35 < ohsix> they are getting an injection molding machine soon and he was basically offering it to the shop for use
2017-01-13T01:03:49 < ohsix> might have to learn injection molding heheh, and mould design
2017-01-13T01:07:13 < ohsix> i did the kan-cho hands but he didn't know what it was
2017-01-13T01:07:40 < ohsix> oh i didn't mention that, he speaks japanese and said he was a translator for some people
2017-01-13T01:08:47 < aandrew> ohsix: should've left IRC up and said "yeah man I'm leet"
2017-01-13T01:12:21 < ohsix> i basically did
2017-01-13T01:12:27 < ohsix> i said 'naw that's irc'
2017-01-13T01:13:26 < BrainDamage> I would've loaded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
2017-01-13T01:13:32 < ohsix> gotta figure out how to get minghe mhs5200 to do the thing i need it to
2017-01-13T01:14:02 < ohsix> got bus pirate to trigger the thing i was messing with, but it is not good for it lul; had to increase the clock so the pulse width was right
2017-01-13T01:14:50 < ohsix> BrainDamage: oh my god
2017-01-13T01:15:49 < ohsix> lel there's a lunix class here this season, and they had to cancel it from lack of interest
2017-01-13T01:15:58 < ohsix> along with an intro to programming
2017-01-13T01:16:04 < ohsix> winter sux
2017-01-13T01:19:00 < ohsix> BrainDamage: dramatic turns and everything
2017-01-13T01:19:29 < ohsix> nicks can't start with numbers
2017-01-13T01:19:48 < ohsix> 00zemeister is only doable on one of the networks with the hacked to shit ircds
2017-01-13T01:20:40 < ohsix> there was an 'internet manual' that i got with my first roadrunner modem that talked about leet speak and shit, i should try and find it, even at the time it was great
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2017-01-13T01:23:53 < ohsix> wow this function generator is not good
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2017-01-13T01:25:16 < Thorn> which one
2017-01-13T01:26:01 < ohsix> mhs5200
2017-01-13T01:26:10 < ohsix> might be bad cables too, will know by tomorrow ;]
2017-01-13T01:26:17 < ohsix> it works at least, and is cheap
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2017-01-13T01:34:05 < ohsix> ah ok yea bad cables
2017-01-13T01:34:29 < jadew> lol BrainDamage 
2017-01-13T01:34:35 < jadew> they got a screenshot haha
2017-01-13T01:34:50 < ohsix> fff
2017-01-13T01:36:56 < jadew> I'm off to bed, watch out for the boats
2017-01-13T01:36:59 < jadew> o/
2017-01-13T02:02:13 < Thorn> looks like only 2 jlink v9 clones on aliexpress https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-support-JLINK-V9-the-LINK-ARM-emulator-support-A9A8-V9-4-high-speed-download/32745014679.html and https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/JLINK-V9-J-the-LINK-ARM-emulator-JLINK-V9-9-4-support-AMR-A9A8-V9/1194407_32723739541.html
2017-01-13T02:03:32 < Kliment> I just flashed a blink binary to an F411 and it died
2017-01-13T02:03:57 < Kliment> won't go into bootloader, won't attach to debugger, doesn't even blink the damn LED
2017-01-13T02:04:12 < Kliment> what can I try?
2017-01-13T02:04:28 < Thorn> try connecting via swd while holding reset active
2017-01-13T02:04:43 < Kliment> I flashed it using the dfu bootloader (usb)
2017-01-13T02:04:52 < Kliment> Thorn: Tried that, doesn't seem to do anything
2017-01-13T02:05:10 < Thorn> is it a custom board
2017-01-13T02:05:14 < Kliment> Thorn: Yeah
2017-01-13T02:05:24 < Kliment> Thorn: Nothing exciting though
2017-01-13T02:05:35 < Kliment> Thorn: And it did work normally before programming
2017-01-13T02:05:42 < Thorn> maybe one of gnd or vdd pins is intermittent
2017-01-13T02:06:02 < Kliment> Thorn: Nope, tested that, all are correctly soldered and power is solid
2017-01-13T02:06:17 < Kliment> Thorn: Stable 3.28V
2017-01-13T02:07:10 < Thorn> is there a signal on OSC_OUT
2017-01-13T02:07:29 < Thorn> (I assume the dfu bootloader also uses HSE?)
2017-01-13T02:09:04 < Kliment> I'm not in my lab, so I can't easily check
2017-01-13T02:09:19 < Kliment> only have crappy tools here with me
2017-01-13T02:09:33 < Kliment> And yeah, HSE, 15MHz xtal
2017-01-13T02:09:49 < Kliment> worked correctly with bootloader before programming
2017-01-13T02:10:31 < Kliment> What is the amplitude of signal I should expect on osc_out?
2017-01-13T02:10:41 < Kliment> I can check with a crappy multimeter
2017-01-13T02:10:59 < Thorn> a volt or so
2017-01-13T02:12:36 < Kliment> actually, I can't check until tomorrow
2017-01-13T02:13:20 < Kliment> Don't trust this meter, and mine is buried too deep in my bag to dig out right now
2017-01-13T02:13:55 < Kliment> I'm just confused by what could possibly cause this
2017-01-13T02:14:38 < Thorn> how do you enter the dfu bootloader? boot pins?
2017-01-13T02:16:27 < Kliment> yes
2017-01-13T02:17:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FuDWQwA0dI this board any good?
2017-01-13T02:17:40 < Kliment> I hold boot0 low and reset
2017-01-13T02:18:07 < Kliment> sorry, wait
2017-01-13T02:18:32 < Kliment> high, not low
2017-01-13T02:18:38 < Thorn> are boot pins and nrst soldered well?
2017-01-13T02:18:54 < Kliment> yes, all pins are soldered well
2017-01-13T02:19:11 < Kliment> And I checked signal continuity
2017-01-13T02:19:27 < Kliment> Also tried power-cycling with boot0 in either high or low state
2017-01-13T02:19:35 < Kliment> no difference
2017-01-13T02:19:47 < Kliment> it's like the part never powers up
2017-01-13T02:20:24 < Kliment> and it worked fine until code was flashed - enumerated USB, dfu worked correctly
2017-01-13T02:22:00 < Thorn> well even if yor code remaps all swd and usb pins and goes into standby nrst and boot0 are not remappable
2017-01-13T02:22:09 < Kliment> indeed
2017-01-13T02:22:15 < Kliment> and the code doesn't remap anything
2017-01-13T02:22:17 < Thorn> boot1 may be though
2017-01-13T02:22:43 < Kliment> all it does (or should do) is enable gpioa clock, set pa5 to output and toggle it in a delay loop
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2017-01-13T02:35:02 < stvn> good morning Steffanx 
2017-01-13T02:35:40 < Kliment> BOOT1 is tied to gnd
2017-01-13T02:36:09 < Kliment> boot0 is pulled high to go into bootloader
2017-01-13T02:39:21 < kakimir> I need refreshing thoughts
2017-01-13T02:42:41 < Lux> kakimir: i guess for 9$ it's ok
2017-01-13T02:42:55 < Lux> but the chip does get pretty hot
2017-01-13T02:49:57 < kakimir> you have one?
2017-01-13T02:50:08 < kakimir> okay it's not like power conservative platform
2017-01-13T02:50:39 < aandrew> weird
2017-01-13T02:50:44 < aandrew> I agree it should be unbrickable
2017-01-13T02:51:39 < Lux> kakimir: i do
2017-01-13T02:52:02 < Lux> haven't done much though except connecting it to wifi and sshing on it
2017-01-13T02:54:44 < kakimir> I don't like it when my computrs get hot
2017-01-13T03:00:10 < sync_> embrace that dopant diffusion
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2017-01-13T03:04:24 < stvn> senpai the amazon LED cunts had no stock
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2017-01-13T03:11:06 < stvn> so i got 100 @ 8cents a led from some aussie jippo
2017-01-13T03:11:40 < ohsix> derp
2017-01-13T03:11:52 < ohsix> why don't function generators work like programmers would have them work
2017-01-13T03:12:59 < ohsix> i need a periodic pulse of 2.5us that repeats at 120hz
2017-01-13T03:13:10 < ohsix> periodic repeat daww
2017-01-13T03:13:35 < ohsix> the arbitrary boner generator could probably do it but the program to send them to it sucks real bad
2017-01-13T03:13:43 < ohsix> mark and space editor would rule
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2017-01-13T03:19:07 < englishman> stvn: why not get reels from China and resell
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2017-01-13T03:22:25 < Thorn> enumeration sequence for my device (win8.1) http://paste.ofcode.org/4hAeHiwzQkE2jPyvfeftC8
2017-01-13T03:22:34 < Thorn> why so many repeating steps
2017-01-13T03:22:59 < stvn> englishman, i just need some
2017-01-13T03:23:42 < englishman> yea but reels from china can be cheaper than singles from white people
2017-01-13T03:23:51 < stvn> yes
2017-01-13T03:24:04 < stvn> i already resell kawaii pioneer custom alps potentiometers
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2017-01-13T04:23:31 < Thorn> should I ever send multiple string descriptors in one request? like when index 0 is requested
2017-01-13T04:26:41 < Thorn> enumeration sequence with string descriptors http://paste.ofcode.org/hkHuVyaptdXqnxxfwte8Zy
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2017-01-13T04:40:39 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/SoupyMeagerGecko
2017-01-13T04:40:42 < stvn> does Laurenceb_ have enough gbp for a -q
2017-01-13T04:46:19 < upgrdman> smart kid  http://i.imgur.com/uMYUH4P.gifv
2017-01-13T04:51:36 < stvn> Not A Link Dump
2017-01-13T04:52:11 < stvn> :3
2017-01-13T04:58:03 < aandrew> upgrdman: wtf is that sheep vid
2017-01-13T04:58:21 < upgrdman> stvn, you dont like my linkz?
2017-01-13T04:58:39 < upgrdman> aandrew, dunno. supposed that's the sheppard getting fucked over
2017-01-13T04:58:44 < stvn> naah
2017-01-13T04:59:01 < stvn> cant see any funny in it
2017-01-13T05:06:53 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/ITHUy fucking China, holy shit
2017-01-13T05:07:19 < ReadErr> lol
2017-01-13T05:07:26 < stvn> :]
2017-01-13T05:07:28 < ReadErr> its a safety 
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2017-01-13T05:26:23 < upgrdman> dongs, can psu be mounted 180?
2017-01-13T05:27:52 < ReadError> normally not
2017-01-13T05:27:56 < ReadError> they have the \ thing
2017-01-13T05:28:02 < ReadError> and an offset hole
2017-01-13T05:29:06 < stvn> just autism a solution
2017-01-13T05:30:02 < dongs> upgrdman: how the fuck does that solve anything, i'd have to rotate the socket
2017-01-13T05:32:34 < upgrdman> rotating the psu would rotate the socket
2017-01-13T05:32:48 < stvn> just get china to make you an IEC lead with it bent the other way o.o
2017-01-13T05:33:08 < upgrdman> left-angle usb cables are a thing. prolly left-angle IEC power shitz too
2017-01-13T05:33:36 < stvn> left angle and left angle
2017-01-13T05:33:38 < stvn> very good
2017-01-13T05:33:57 < stvn> i want to sperg my cable management
2017-01-13T05:38:16 < dongs> upgrdman: the cable is part of the case
2017-01-13T05:38:33 < dongs> its routed  internally (thats the hdd socket cover fail) to another socket outisee.
2017-01-13T05:38:37 < dongs> outside.
2017-01-13T05:38:53 < dongs> you would fucking think, a silvershit case and silvershit power supply would agree on the direction of socket
2017-01-13T05:39:28 < stvn> silver shit hmm
2017-01-13T05:39:47 < stvn> cannot decode the dongspeak
2017-01-13T05:39:48 < dongs> more like silverSTONED
2017-01-13T05:39:59 < stvn> ye
2017-01-13T05:40:01 < dongs> stvn: cheap chink case maker, silverstone
2017-01-13T05:40:09 < stvn> yek fk that
2017-01-13T05:41:15 < stvn> today i are sampling china LEDs
2017-01-13T05:49:16 < stvn> the 100 pack which arrived today are pinker
2017-01-13T05:52:30 < englishman> lol @ changfungpro computer case
2017-01-13T05:53:15 < stvn> i have a box of chinese IEC cables where L and N are reverse
2017-01-13T05:53:55 < englishman> just take white leds and put pink nail polish on them really thin
2017-01-13T05:54:07 < englishman> then you get dat metallic flake too
2017-01-13T05:54:14 < stvn> sweet
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2017-01-13T05:54:40 < stvn> all of these go through buttons which diffuse the light englishman 
2017-01-13T05:56:08 < stvn> the LEDs i like more have something pink inside ontop of the junction
2017-01-13T05:58:09 < englishman> built in nail polish
2017-01-13T05:58:30 < stvn> ^_^
2017-01-13T06:00:47 < ReadError> did u reberse the LED display?
2017-01-13T06:01:07 < stvn> wut
2017-01-13T06:01:29 < ReadError> salalelea on mixer
2017-01-13T06:01:40 < stvn> still gotta get it
2017-01-13T06:01:45 < stvn> looking like a saturday job
2017-01-13T06:02:40 < stvn> then i can use keil middleware to make a fancy LCD dispray
2017-01-13T06:08:59 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/NUOyLg8.jpg
2017-01-13T06:11:33 < englishman> that does look pretty nice
2017-01-13T06:11:56 < stvn> ebay LEDs are on the CUE buttons
2017-01-13T06:12:07 < stvn> some .au site sold me the rest
2017-01-13T06:12:16 < dongs> stvn: haha @ pink leds
2017-01-13T06:13:35 < ohsix> buns
2017-01-13T06:15:28 < ohsix> uh
2017-01-13T06:15:30 < ohsix> er
2017-01-13T06:19:21 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/3T1eocC.jpg
2017-01-13T06:19:22 < ohsix> sup fellas
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2017-01-13T06:20:20 < ohsix> zyp / jpa / jadew, know of any 'signal generator' that can do the mark space thing, not arbitrary waveforms but actually works like that for waveform entry
2017-01-13T06:20:54 < ohsix> there are complex waveform generators and i think that would be the thing you'd use if you had one, but what i'm doing is dum stuff and a little widget with internal clocks & stm32 or whatever could do it
2017-01-13T06:21:27 < ohsix> ooooh shit i could have done it with audio out on one of the pcs
2017-01-13T06:27:01 < stvn> anyhoo
2017-01-13T06:27:08 < stvn> pink LEDs n shit
2017-01-13T06:43:50 < stvn> sweet i derailed stonertronics
2017-01-13T06:44:05 < ohsix> what's the wavelength on the pink leds
2017-01-13T06:44:10 < ohsix> it's blue with some funky phosphor right?
2017-01-13T06:53:43 < ohsix> i have to edit some clips of my dog jumping around into a 3 second video on linux
2017-01-13T06:53:50 < ohsix> see you in a week
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2017-01-13T07:55:06 < jpa-> ohsix: well you could probably program dso quad to do it pretty easily
2017-01-13T07:59:20 < dongs> Lol
2017-01-13T07:59:25 < dongs> > o6
2017-01-13T07:59:26 < dongs> > program
2017-01-13T07:59:27 < dongs> k
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2017-01-13T08:08:57 < jpa-> (that is, of course, assuming the old open sores version of dso quad and not the new crap)
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2017-01-13T08:21:51 < stvn> sup stm
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2017-01-13T08:25:55 < dongs> jpa, new crap is closedsores?
2017-01-13T08:28:21 < jpa-> dongs: more like stupidsores
2017-01-13T08:29:08 < jpa-> a few chips were discontinued so they made bazillion different hardware versions which are not documented anywhere and no sources nor schematics
2017-01-13T08:29:41 < jpa-> so only the original one is pleasant to use for own codes
2017-01-13T08:30:41 < dongs> sux
2017-01-13T08:31:32 < ohsix> jpa-: nice
2017-01-13T08:31:45 < ohsix> ya i have an fx2 board i could just dumb hammer it
2017-01-13T08:35:37 < ohsix> I regret to inform you that the order number 1337 has been cancelled due to the pricing on the order that was wrong and the payment authorization has been removed, and Dell reserves the right to cancel orders arising from pricing errors.
2017-01-13T08:35:38 < ohsix> lewl
2017-01-13T08:35:53 < ohsix> ahh i got an email about it when it was cancelled, but it went to spam
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2017-01-13T08:37:24 < ohsix> jpa-: most of my questions feel dum / the wrong question cuz i've known how to do this shit but haven't had the tools, and the tools seem weird
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2017-01-13T08:53:21 < stvn> do not worry
2017-01-13T08:53:23 < stvn> i will fix it
2017-01-13T08:55:08 < ReadError> how you gonna do that papi
2017-01-13T08:55:11 < ohsix> buttduino would be ok if it wasn't 5v io
2017-01-13T08:55:23 < ohsix> pin up, nop nop nop, pin down, delay, loop
2017-01-13T08:55:27 < ohsix> hack hack hack
2017-01-13T08:55:42 < ohsix> but it can't generate the clock i also
2017-01-13T08:56:35 < ReadError> fixed clock?
2017-01-13T08:57:16 < ohsix> yea
2017-01-13T08:57:23 < ReadError> use MCO
2017-01-13T08:57:23 < stvn> dunno the doctor says it to me
2017-01-13T08:57:25 < ohsix> can use signal gen
2017-01-13T08:57:43 < dongs> STM'ing
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2017-01-13T09:01:35 < ohsix> not a big deal, i just want it to exist olol
2017-01-13T09:01:45 < ohsix> i've been putting off programming
2017-01-13T09:03:08 < stvn> i wish
2017-01-13T09:03:54 < ohsix> oi m8 while eevblog was living it up, https://twitter.com/eevblog/status/819799648667779073
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2017-01-13T09:10:25 < upgrdman> how is Rayleigh pronounced? ray-lee?
2017-01-13T09:10:45 < ohsix> ray lay
2017-01-13T09:12:17 < ohsix> what!!1
2017-01-13T09:12:22 < ohsix> ray lee apparently
2017-01-13T09:12:28 < ohsix> thanks trump
2017-01-13T09:12:32 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering
2017-01-13T09:13:23 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n4kt-hOpzc
2017-01-13T09:13:54 < ohsix> does he talk about cordyceps
2017-01-13T09:14:17 < ohsix> the time lapse of him in the hotel room is cool heh
2017-01-13T09:14:27 < jadew> he talks about parasites, very gross, but cool
2017-01-13T09:14:58 < jadew> what are cordyceps?
2017-01-13T09:15:27 < jadew> ah, fungi
2017-01-13T09:15:36 < ohsix> it's a fungus that infects ants, makes them climb stuff and fruit
2017-01-13T09:15:45 < ohsix> it's wicked weird
2017-01-13T09:16:03 < jadew> these ones are similar
2017-01-13T09:16:13 < ohsix> will have to watch the whole thing later
2017-01-13T09:22:00 < jadew> talks about cordyceps too
2017-01-13T09:23:33 < ohsix> cool
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2017-01-13T09:34:13 < englishman> routing f427vi with less than half pins used
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2017-01-13T09:35:26 < dongs> englishman: do you know d ifference beweee PMEG3010EB and PMEG3010EB/S500
2017-01-13T09:35:32 < zyp> englishman, been there done that
2017-01-13T09:35:57 < englishman> dongs: after / is just packaging, reel size or whatever
2017-01-13T09:35:57 < zyp> dongs, probably just packing
2017-01-13T09:37:05 < englishman> yea zyp why can't st make decent mcus without all the annoying IOs that are useless anyway due to horrible ST pinning
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2017-01-13T09:38:23 < englishman> dongs: there are several NXP docs just for this packaging suffix
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2017-01-13T09:42:17 < zyp> englishman, like GPIOE? :p
2017-01-13T09:42:47 < zyp> on the EV project, I'm using pretty much every pin, except GPIOE, none of those
2017-01-13T09:44:49 < jpa-> i have no trouble with unused io, but it always annoys me if i don't find a use for CRC->IDR
2017-01-13T09:45:36 < zyp> haha
2017-01-13T09:45:58 < zyp> I don't mind unused io, better to have too many than not enough
2017-01-13T09:46:03 < jpa-> so far only once have i had an use for it :P
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2017-01-13T09:46:47 < ohsix> buy the die version and use a wire bonder
2017-01-13T09:47:38 < zyp> and then I have this shit using only six gpios: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/hjk3A.png
2017-01-13T09:47:44 < zyp> eight if you count swd
2017-01-13T09:48:35 < ohsix> jvs?
2017-01-13T09:48:55 < zyp> ohsix, rs485
2017-01-13T09:49:48 < ohsix> ah
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2017-01-13T10:08:58 < dongs> englishman: wehy do you need 427vi if youre not using any pins?
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2017-01-13T10:34:29 < ohsix> eh where do cheap haxors get things like memory on sale anymore
2017-01-13T10:34:34 < ohsix> or old stock
2017-01-13T10:34:38 < ohsix> r i p newegg
2017-01-13T10:34:42 < ohsix> and pricewatch
2017-01-13T10:35:32 < upgrdman> amazon for new, ebay for used?
2017-01-13T10:39:47 < ohsix> ya not finding cheap ones
2017-01-13T10:40:03 < ohsix> pricewatch was good for that, you could find the vendor just unloading stock
2017-01-13T10:40:10 < ohsix> now those shops don't have any web visibility
2017-01-13T10:41:40 < PeterM> oh fuck
2017-01-13T10:42:44 < PeterM> i forgot abvout ohsix after all this trime
2017-01-13T10:42:49 < PeterM> godo thing hes back on ignore
2017-01-13T10:43:23 < PeterM> but ohsix, check staticice.com
2017-01-13T10:47:02 < dongs> haha
2017-01-13T10:51:30 < PeterM> anyway, how are the people of ##stm32 going?
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2017-01-13T10:54:20 < PeterM> that good huh
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2017-01-13T10:55:50 < ohsix> PeterM: nice
2017-01-13T10:56:49 < ohsix> oh whaaaaaaaaaat pricewatch is back
2017-01-13T10:57:05 < ohsix> i thought it was r i p forever when the domain redirected to amazon
2017-01-13T10:58:27 < Kliment> How do I mass-erase from openocd?
2017-01-13T11:00:23 < Kliment> when I run stm32f4x mass_erase it says "Failed to read memory at 0x1fff7a24"
2017-01-13T11:00:41 < PaulFertser> Kliment: "reset halt" then "stm32f4x mass_erase 0" should work.
2017-01-13T11:01:02 < PaulFertser> Kliment: probably you need "stm32f4x unlock 0" first, then power-cycle, then mass_erase.
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2017-01-13T11:03:38 < Kliment> PaulFertser: "failed to read memory" followed by "failed to unlock device"
2017-01-13T11:04:37 < PaulFertser> Is it possible it's perm-locked?
2017-01-13T11:04:58 < Kliment> Then debugger would not attach at all
2017-01-13T11:05:20 < PaulFertser> I doubt that.
2017-01-13T11:06:13 < PaulFertser> Kliment: can you also try "stm32f4x options_read 0" ?
2017-01-13T11:06:28 < PaulFertser> I expect same error.
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2017-01-13T11:07:25 < Kliment> stm32f2x user_options 0xEC
2017-01-13T11:08:41 < Kliment> It's returning a device id = 0x10006431
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2017-01-13T11:09:58 < stvn> sup stm32
2017-01-13T11:10:02 < zyp> dongs, old boss just called me, want 36 of those LL boards
2017-01-13T11:10:14 < PaulFertser> Kliment: and what about "mdw 0x40023c14" ?
2017-01-13T11:10:17 < zyp> «just go ahead and get them made»
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2017-01-13T11:12:18 < Kliment> 0x40023c14: 8fffffed
2017-01-13T11:12:38 < PaulFertser> Hm, they say in Level 2 SWD is disabled indeed.
2017-01-13T11:14:10 < PaulFertser> So it's like level 1 if it has ff in RDP.
2017-01-13T11:14:15 < zyp> dongs, also, do I actually still owe you anything?
2017-01-13T11:14:35 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Looks like it's running inconsistently
2017-01-13T11:15:08 < zyp> looking at email history for nfc+usbjvs, you've invoiced me for both PCB, parts, PCBA and shipping, so I think I've paid for everything already
2017-01-13T11:15:34 < PaulFertser> Kliment: you can try doing it manually with mdw and mww commands to avoid looking at openocd code. But I thought this feature is known to work.
2017-01-13T11:15:54 < Kliment> PaulFertser: is there a delay command in openocd?
2017-01-13T11:16:20 < PaulFertser> Kliment: yes, "sleep"
2017-01-13T11:16:45 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/16GB-Kit-2-x-8GB-DDR3L-1600-1600-MT-S-SODIMM-Memory-for-Mac-CT2K8G3S160BM-/291993165770?hash=item43fc261fca:g:bAwAAOSwopRYc49m heheh probably not memory, and would get refund, btu even i don't need that garbage
2017-01-13T11:18:19 < Kliment> PaulFertser: If I hold boot0 low I can get it unlocked but after the next reset mass erase fails
2017-01-13T11:19:27 < PaulFertser> Kliment: do you think I can reproduce it here with an f4 nucleo board?
2017-01-13T11:19:56 < Kliment> PaulFertser: I don't think so
2017-01-13T11:20:03 < Kliment> PaulFertser: It's a very weird error
2017-01-13T11:20:38 < Kliment> PaulFertser: It started after programming the device via dfu with a very simple led blinker
2017-01-13T11:20:55 < Kliment> PaulFertser: After that, bootloader no longer runs, and device is protected, and weird shit is happening
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2017-01-13T11:26:13 < Kliment> Unlock appears to work according to openocd
2017-01-13T11:26:28 < Kliment> stm32f2x unlocked.
2017-01-13T11:26:28 < Kliment> INFO: a reset or power cycle is required for the new settings to take effect.
2017-01-13T11:26:46 < Kliment> However, after reset it says Info : Device Security Bit Set
2017-01-13T11:27:09 < PaulFertser> I think it needs real power reset
2017-01-13T11:27:15 < Kliment> I did that too
2017-01-13T11:27:20 < Kliment> protected again after
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2017-01-13T11:28:49 < PaulFertser> Kliment: you can use "debug_level 3" to see all the actual reads and writes performed if you feel like it.
2017-01-13T11:31:44 < Kliment> PaulFertser: For some reason it says Warn : STM32 flash size failed, probe inaccurate - assuming 512k flash as well
2017-01-13T11:42:40 < stvn> ni hao shenzhen opto electronics 
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2017-01-13T12:06:17 < karlp> hoho: "static const int blah = 0.1"
2017-01-13T12:06:29 < karlp> minion was concerned why things weren't working very well
2017-01-13T12:08:10 < PaulFertser> We should all switch to Rust
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2017-01-13T12:24:08 < Kliment> how do I tell openocd to quit after running a command?
2017-01-13T12:24:19 < PaulFertser> Kliment: shutdown
2017-01-13T12:24:41 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Thanks
2017-01-13T12:25:05 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Doesn't work though
2017-01-13T12:26:20 < Kliment> PaulFertser: I put shutdown after the mass_erase command, the mass-erase fails and it never shuts down
2017-01-13T12:27:29 < PaulFertser> Kliment: catch { stm32f4x mass_erase 0 }; shutdown
2017-01-13T12:27:44 < karlp> I wonder why you don't get a warning on that assignment of double constant to an int.
2017-01-13T12:27:51 < karlp> you get all sorts of other warnings for "loss of precision"
2017-01-13T12:29:28 < Thorn> you also don't get a warning when assigning e.g. uint32_t to an uint8_t
2017-01-13T12:29:34 < jpa-> you get in initialization
2017-01-13T12:29:37 < Thorn> c/c++ are full of crap like that
2017-01-13T12:29:46 < jpa-> e.g.   char foo = 9999;   warns with -Wall
2017-01-13T12:30:51 < Thorn> or say size_t a, b; uint8_t diff = a - b;
2017-01-13T12:32:04 < karlp> I did it again, and stuck it into something that _used_ it, and got a nice warning about divide by zero,
2017-01-13T12:32:07 < karlp> but not on the assignment
2017-01-13T12:32:59  * karlp checks warning flags
2017-01-13T12:34:02 < karlp> -Wall -Wextra 
2017-01-13T12:34:06 < karlp> yup, nothing 
2017-01-13T12:34:45 < karlp> huh, char blah = 9999 => warning, char blah = 0.1 => nothing.
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2017-01-13T12:37:19 < jpa-> kind of makes sense because the first one is undefined behaviour, but on the other hand it also warns about unsigned truncation which is defined
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2017-01-13T13:20:34 < karlp> I'm not using c++ by the way, but ok :)
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2017-01-13T13:24:19 < karlp> LeelooMinai: but yes, -Wconversion does catch the error
2017-01-13T13:24:30 < karlp> it also spews _hundreds_ of other warnings on this code base, 
2017-01-13T13:25:10 < Thorn> I wonder if there was -Wundefined-behavior how many warnings per LOC it would generate lol
2017-01-13T13:26:22 < karlp> -Wfloat-conversion is much better, that one seems pretty good.
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2017-01-13T13:27:21 < jpa-> Thorn: clang has the runtime sanitizer, but it's pretty difficult to detect undefined behaviours at compile time
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2017-01-13T13:40:48 < stvn> stm32
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2017-01-13T14:58:07 < stvn> for englishman http://i.imgur.com/8tVVFJw.jpg
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2017-01-13T15:06:48 < ReadError> he looks like a grumpy old man
2017-01-13T15:07:06 < ReadError> get off my lawn you fuck
2017-01-13T15:07:06 < kakimir> nice cat
2017-01-13T15:07:31 < stvn> ReadError, http://www.siamese-cat-breeder.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Nightqueen-Roulette.jpg
2017-01-13T15:07:47 < Laurenceb_> http://www.siamese-cat-breeder.co.uk
2017-01-13T15:07:51 < Laurenceb_> expecting pr0nz
2017-01-13T15:07:55 < stvn> hey wtf
2017-01-13T15:08:04 < stvn> they finally fixed you
2017-01-13T15:08:07 < ReadError> cat looks like a stoned old man
2017-01-13T15:08:13 < ReadError> i liked Wewuzkangz
2017-01-13T15:08:13 < stvn> tis
2017-01-13T15:08:20 < ReadError> bring him back, much cooler guy
2017-01-13T15:08:37 < Laurenceb_> We wuz Ancient aliens
2017-01-13T15:08:55 < stvn> what is new Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-13T15:09:15 < Laurenceb_> I have a nice stainless steel framed stencil for about UKP30
2017-01-13T15:09:22 < Laurenceb_> crazy price from pcbway
2017-01-13T15:09:56 < stvn> coolz
2017-01-13T15:10:53 < PeterM> oh shit its that unfunny guy, i wonder if he still isnt funny
2017-01-13T15:11:00 < stvn> WOAH
2017-01-13T15:11:03 < stvn> you're back too?!?!
2017-01-13T15:11:24 < PeterM> yeah, i got lost on the way back from the shops
2017-01-13T15:11:28 < stvn> i see
2017-01-13T15:12:07 < PeterM> also, whats the "too?!?!", who else is back recently?
2017-01-13T15:12:20 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ was banished
2017-01-13T15:12:23 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-13T15:12:23 < PeterM> ahh
2017-01-13T15:12:27 < ReadError> he still is
2017-01-13T15:12:36 < ReadError> he just snuck in like a syrian 
2017-01-13T15:12:41 < PeterM> how did that happen?
2017-01-13T15:12:44 < Laurenceb_> I'm gunna go to Greenland
2017-01-13T15:12:47 < stvn> tectu did it
2017-01-13T15:12:49 < ReadError> notfunnylaurenceb.jpg
2017-01-13T15:12:50 < PeterM> (the banishing)
2017-01-13T15:13:02 < ReadError> 4channing
2017-01-13T15:13:07 < ReadError> i guess, idk
2017-01-13T15:13:11 < stvn> probably
2017-01-13T15:13:15 < stvn> 8channing tho
2017-01-13T15:13:17 < ReadError> laurence/b/ing
2017-01-13T15:13:28 < PeterM> fair enough
2017-01-13T15:13:33 < stvn> it seems to make brother Steffan quite bothered
2017-01-13T15:13:56 < ReadError> i saw you pick up that tool and take a shot tho
2017-01-13T15:14:44 < stvn> <ziongate> hi if any trick to work on reducing power consumtion, welcome
2017-01-13T15:14:45 < stvn> <stvn> pull the plug?
2017-01-13T15:15:03 < PeterM> so stonerror, have you finished your electric longboard or whatever?
2017-01-13T15:15:11 < ReadError> pay a paki 100$ to solve
2017-01-13T15:15:13 < ReadError> ya PeterM 
2017-01-13T15:15:24 < ReadError> it didnt catch fire yet
2017-01-13T15:15:32 < stvn> we're scamming spirit532 out of $50
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2017-01-13T15:16:26 < ReadError> has he been back since the ragequit
2017-01-13T15:16:39 < stvn> fuck knows
2017-01-13T15:16:44 < ReadError> ya i dont
2017-01-13T15:16:46 < stvn> cbf'd looking at the log
2017-01-13T15:17:34 < PeterM> got any pics
2017-01-13T15:17:56 < stvn> yeah i posted one before
2017-01-13T15:19:21 < PeterM> i meant of readerrors board
2017-01-13T15:19:51 < stvn> nuh
2017-01-13T15:21:08 < ReadError> nothing new, need to do somet ho
2017-01-13T15:21:19 < ReadError> my fuckin smugmug app is broke though
2017-01-13T15:21:25 < stvn> yeah i need to start my assburger tomorrow
2017-01-13T15:21:28 < ReadError> and they havent updated it since iOS 10
2017-01-13T15:21:42 < ReadError> real PITA
2017-01-13T15:21:48 < PeterM> damn
2017-01-13T15:21:56 < stvn> yeah i dun goofed
2017-01-13T15:22:13 < PeterM> im in hte process of building another electic motorbikew
2017-01-13T15:22:18 < ReadError> im building a uhhhh
2017-01-13T15:22:20 < ReadError> ball mill
2017-01-13T15:22:20 < stvn> oh sweet
2017-01-13T15:22:23 < stvn> more info?
2017-01-13T15:22:56 < PeterM> ball mill? for grinding materials?
2017-01-13T15:23:14 < PeterM> incoming stonertopics?
2017-01-13T15:23:19 < ReadError> I need to break down some zeolite sieves a bit
2017-01-13T15:23:26 < ReadError> for my o2 concentrator 
2017-01-13T15:23:41 < ReadError> and the o2 concentrator can be used to make things that can be used for stoning
2017-01-13T15:24:36 < stvn> important stuff
2017-01-13T15:25:11 < ReadError> yes, priorities 
2017-01-13T15:25:35 < stvn> 2 weeks without booze, 50 to go
2017-01-13T15:26:01 < ReadError> lewl
2017-01-13T15:26:17 < stvn> it amazing, i can count to 10 again
2017-01-13T15:26:30 < PeterM> uhh... why do you need to grind your molecular seives? if you're trying to reduce their effective pore size, thats not how they work iirc
2017-01-13T15:26:56 < ReadError> PeterM: increase surface area, they are 8x12's
2017-01-13T15:27:06 < PeterM> ahhhh
2017-01-13T15:27:08 < ReadError> ones in zeolite beds are like 0.6mm
2017-01-13T15:27:23 < PeterM> yeah surface area does make a lot of sense
2017-01-13T15:27:40 < ReadError> but I have like 25# of them
2017-01-13T15:28:12 < ReadError> doing a pressure swing with a vacuum on the purging side
2017-01-13T15:28:31 < ReadError> kinda like a hybrid 
2017-01-13T15:29:52 < sync_> ReadError: why don't you just buy an o2 concentrator?
2017-01-13T15:29:55 < sync_> they are cheap
2017-01-13T15:30:00 < ReadError> sync_: 1) not cheap
2017-01-13T15:30:05 < ReadError> 2) shitty output
2017-01-13T15:30:15 < ReadError> (would need 3 or something)
2017-01-13T15:30:17 < sync_> I have two and paid 50€ for each of them
2017-01-13T15:30:23 < ReadError> hard to come by in USA
2017-01-13T15:30:26 < ReadError> since they require RX
2017-01-13T15:30:35 < ReadError> 'medical device'
2017-01-13T15:30:37 < sync_> and I get around 15l/min which is enough for most shit
2017-01-13T15:30:41 < sync_> sure but surplus brah
2017-01-13T15:30:50 < ReadError> yea, @600-700 each
2017-01-13T15:31:19 < stvn> can we overdose on oxygen
2017-01-13T15:31:44 < ReadError> they are incredibly simple when you break things down
2017-01-13T15:31:53 < sync_> but I have found just buying bottled oxygen is pretty competitive tho
2017-01-13T15:32:19 < ReadError> ya they didnt want to do delivery to residential 
2017-01-13T15:32:26 < ReadError> and I only have a car 
2017-01-13T15:32:29 < sync_> they are a medical device here as well but every old person has one, so eh
2017-01-13T15:32:35 < sync_> so what?
2017-01-13T15:32:38 < sync_> just load it up
2017-01-13T15:32:47 < ReadError> lol I did, I got 2x 120s
2017-01-13T15:33:04 < ReadError> but that shit adds up fast too
2017-01-13T15:33:29 < ReadError> and its like 20-25mins away
2017-01-13T15:33:34 < sync_> idk, I'd just buy a concentrator, not gonna fuck around with zeolites
2017-01-13T15:34:06 < stvn> i don't know wtf is going on
2017-01-13T15:34:34 < ReadError> sync_: the market in the states is jacked up on em
2017-01-13T15:34:50 < ReadError> apparently they are super cheap in florida though
2017-01-13T15:34:55 < ReadError> since all the old dead folks
2017-01-13T15:36:05 < ReadError> plus making stuff is more fun
2017-01-13T15:36:31 < BrainDamage> why do you need an oxygen concentrator?
2017-01-13T15:36:39 < ReadError> torches and such
2017-01-13T15:36:53 < ReadError> maybe a lil huffin o2 idk yet
2017-01-13T15:37:20 < stvn> are you going to make glass crack pipes?
2017-01-13T15:37:43 < ReadError> artisan ones yes, ofc 
2017-01-13T15:37:53 < ReadError> super heady crackpipes
2017-01-13T15:37:59 < ReadError> nailed me ;(
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2017-01-13T15:40:16 < stvn> keep it real
2017-01-13T15:40:39 < ReadError> i want a nice cutting torch tho
2017-01-13T15:41:11 < ReadError> watched junkyard wars as a kid
2017-01-13T15:41:27 < stvn> excellent
2017-01-13T15:41:43 < stvn> i better sleep, later
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2017-01-13T15:41:46 < ReadError> k
2017-01-13T15:42:26 < sync_> hm ReadError, just unscrewed one of my concentrators cartridges
2017-01-13T15:42:37 < PeterM> how competetive is an oxygen conectrator compared to an electrolosys setup where you vent the hydrogen and collect the oxygen, as far as flow and simplicity goes
2017-01-13T15:42:50 < sync_> they have 2mm beads in it
2017-01-13T15:42:52 < ReadError> PeterM: zeolite bed will last 10k hours
2017-01-13T15:42:55 < ReadError> sync_: orly
2017-01-13T15:43:04 < sync_> yes
2017-01-13T15:43:08 < ReadError> that might be what these are, 8x12 mesh
2017-01-13T15:43:14 < sync_> iirc yes
2017-01-13T15:43:21 < ReadError> how big is the bed?
2017-01-13T15:43:31 < sync_> ~70x350
2017-01-13T15:43:44 < sync_> dia x length
2017-01-13T15:43:48 < PeterM> ReadError but dont you have to bake the beads every now and agai nto refresh them?
2017-01-13T15:43:52 < ReadError> I could fit about 1kg of sieves per tube
2017-01-13T15:43:55 < sync_> PeterM: it happens automagically
2017-01-13T15:43:57 < ReadError> * 4
2017-01-13T15:44:00 < ReadError> yea on purge
2017-01-13T15:44:02 < ReadError> it will dry
2017-01-13T15:44:14 < PeterM> o nice
2017-01-13T15:44:53 < ReadError> electrolysis seemed like so much waste product to deal with
2017-01-13T15:45:01 < PeterM> yeah fair nuff
2017-01-13T15:45:06 < ReadError> so didnt bother looking in to that very heavy
2017-01-13T15:45:18 < PeterM> my other question was, is this a stationary thing?
2017-01-13T15:45:27 < sync_> it seems like that is a pretty ideal size
2017-01-13T15:45:38 < sync_> the second concentrator has the same size
2017-01-13T15:45:49 < PeterM> if it is, the seivesare pretty cheapo, cant you jsut buy a shitload of them and make this thing hueg for more surface area?
2017-01-13T15:45:50 < ReadError> you could put it on a cart, the commercial units arent very big
2017-01-13T15:46:07 < ReadError> PeterM: gotta be able to move the air though too
2017-01-13T15:46:13 < ReadError> i need to find the balance 
2017-01-13T15:46:35 < ReadError> so depends what your compressor setup is
2017-01-13T15:46:55 < ReadError> and if you want to keep another tank for storage
2017-01-13T15:46:56 < karlp> sync_: whare are you using the concretrator for?
2017-01-13T15:47:26 < sync_> I made some glas to metal vacuum seals
2017-01-13T15:47:31 < PeterM> then there is another thing - why dont you just have a low output concentrator and store your oxygen?
2017-01-13T15:47:46 < sync_> well storing at low pressures is space inefficient
2017-01-13T15:47:50 < PeterM> and have that shit running forever
2017-01-13T15:47:55 < ReadError> you can 
2017-01-13T15:47:56 < sync_> and high pressure oxygen pumps are spendy
2017-01-13T15:48:08 < ReadError> but being able to do it on demand is nice
2017-01-13T15:48:31 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NOSCDPA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
2017-01-13T15:48:53 < ReadError> has a thomas clone pump heh
2017-01-13T15:50:04 < sync_> rip ReadError
2017-01-13T15:50:13 < sync_> if you put o2 through that thing, tough luck
2017-01-13T15:51:26 < ReadError> why do you say that
2017-01-13T15:51:28 < ReadError> oilfree
2017-01-13T15:51:38 < ReadError> +1 year warranty 
2017-01-13T15:51:44 < sync_> yes, but they still use rubber in them
2017-01-13T15:52:07 < ReadError> sync_: doubt ill be capturing for now anyways
2017-01-13T15:52:53 < ReadError> maybe will just grab another gast pump for that or something
2017-01-13T15:54:29 < PeterM> http://bit.ly/2jEgQmn
2017-01-13T15:54:48 < PeterM> probably not the best source of that sort of thing
2017-01-13T15:55:24 < sync_> ebay is full of thomas pumps out of o2 concs
2017-01-13T15:56:03 < ReadError> but ill have 2 of those cali air systems in the input side
2017-01-13T15:56:19 < ReadError> which should give me a pretty decent headstash of air to move though 
2017-01-13T15:56:46 < sync_> you could use a nitrogen membrane to get rid of N2 and only absorb co2 in the sieve
2017-01-13T15:56:50 < ReadError> then using vacuum ejector to purge
2017-01-13T15:57:21 < sync_> I found that the regular o2 backpurge works well
2017-01-13T15:57:36 < ReadError> seen the membranes in literature, not looked at cost or where to even get them though
2017-01-13T15:57:57 < ReadError> yea it would work but if I can start pulling a vac while the opposite side is soaking
2017-01-13T15:58:05 < ReadError> I can get it going again much quicker
2017-01-13T15:58:35 < ReadError> instead of waiting on vent
2017-01-13T15:59:32 < ReadError> theory anyways
2017-01-13T16:02:21 < sync_> I thought about using my 4 cartridges together for moar flow but eh
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2017-01-13T16:02:43 < ReadError> 2 stage you can get very high purity
2017-01-13T16:03:47 < ReadError> but since I started w/ 4 beds im going to try 2 and 2
2017-01-13T16:04:04 < ReadError> but can reconfigure to 1x1 and 1x1 2nd stage not too badly 
2017-01-13T16:04:56 < sync_> I have found 98% is good enough for all shit
2017-01-13T16:05:53 < ReadError> ya i dont have any way to measure either
2017-01-13T16:07:53 < ReadError> but shit, if I have enough air ill just build more since I got this whole bucket of sieves to dick with
2017-01-13T16:08:18 < BrainDamage> mix with fuel in stochiometric ratio, build a diy bomb calorimter, and measure the output temp
2017-01-13T16:08:20 < sync_> you will need to get a ppo2 sensor
2017-01-13T16:08:35 < sync_> as you will need to adjust cycle time by content
2017-01-13T16:08:54 < ReadError> BrainDamage: was thinking some kind of oxygen titration
2017-01-13T16:09:01 < ReadError> to get some kind of metric
2017-01-13T16:09:14 < ReadError> but wasnt sure what I could use offhand
2017-01-13T16:10:55 < BrainDamage> could also try a spectroscopic method, get a laser on a major O2 absorption line, and measure transmissivity
2017-01-13T16:11:06 < sync_> ....
2017-01-13T16:11:28 < BrainDamage> I know, I'm itentionally do it harder :p
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2017-01-13T16:31:53 < Rob235> why did I think SRAM was so expensive? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/issi-integrated-silicon-solution-inc/IS61LF51236B-7.5TQLI/706-1385-ND/5254107
2017-01-13T16:32:17 < Rob235> I thought 2MB was at least $60
2017-01-13T16:33:29 < ReadError> a lot of the sensors on ebay and such
2017-01-13T16:33:31 < dongs> https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10542519 fucking UK trolls
2017-01-13T16:33:33 < ReadError> are only 0-25%
2017-01-13T16:33:38 < ReadError> useless
2017-01-13T16:35:19 < rene-dev> has anyone experience with adc hardware trigger on stm32f303?
2017-01-13T16:35:48 < rene-dev> software trigger works, but I cant geht the hw trigger via tim8 trgo or cc1 to work.
2017-01-13T16:38:43 < PeterM> dongs lolled
2017-01-13T16:38:59 < dongs> some dipshit actually paid to incorporate that
2017-01-13T16:39:03 < rene-dev> timer irq is working, pwm output is working, so it looks like a adc config issue
2017-01-13T16:40:34 < zyp> dongs, did you read what I wrote earlier?
2017-01-13T16:40:42 < dongs> zyp, no, scrolling
2017-01-13T16:41:15 < dongs> ah
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2017-01-13T16:41:22 < dongs> probably then? lemme see my notes
2017-01-13T16:41:57 < dongs> h PCB, parts, PCBA and shipping < for arcin?
2017-01-13T16:42:10 < dongs> but yeah looks like it was probly  done then
2017-01-13T16:42:11 < zyp> for nfc+usbjvs
2017-01-13T16:42:13 < dongs> oh
2017-01-13T16:42:24 < dongs> 17:21 < zyp> and it looks like I only paid for parts for the last arcin batch, not PCB/PCBA
2017-01-13T16:42:25 < zyp> hmm, last arcin batch were before that
2017-01-13T16:42:28 < dongs> i have this
2017-01-13T16:42:41 < zyp> hang on, lemme check
2017-01-13T16:42:44 < dongs> yep
2017-01-13T16:43:04 < dongs> thats in my zyp billing.txt from june last year
2017-01-13T16:43:06 < dongs> lols.
2017-01-13T16:43:15 < dongs> and 36 ll-mod eh okay.
2017-01-13T16:43:18 < dongs> we need parts then?
2017-01-13T16:43:53 < zyp> you should have the female headers already since I bought 1k of those
2017-01-13T16:44:06 < zyp> rest needs to be sourced
2017-01-13T16:44:06 < dongs> eys
2017-01-13T16:44:30 < zyp> and yeah, doesn't look like I have an invoice for last arcin, so you can get me that
2017-01-13T16:44:42 < zyp> also, I want to do another arcin batch too, so you can get me invoices for that as well :p
2017-01-13T16:45:17 < dongs> hm LL had something ordered from mouser
2017-01-13T16:45:19 < dongs> did it?
2017-01-13T16:45:22 < zyp> LL boards should have 427 like last time, not 407 like original BOM
2017-01-13T16:45:30 < zyp> hmm, lemme check
2017-01-13T16:45:47 < dongs> according to my paperwork
2017-01-13T16:46:16 < dongs> OR
2017-01-13T16:46:22 < dongs> i was getting something from mouser for you?
2017-01-13T16:46:28 < dongs> it was only like $30 in 3 different parts
2017-01-13T16:46:30 < dongs> ... which arent listed
2017-01-13T16:47:04 < zyp> ah, I think it was some stupid small stuff like leds
2017-01-13T16:47:29 < dongs> 32.768kHz,Y2,26mm,26.25mm,Top,270
2017-01-13T16:47:34 < dongs> those are FC-35?
2017-01-13T16:47:41 < zyp> that's the one you used on your dildo
2017-01-13T16:48:55 < zyp> I don't assume sourcing f427 rev3 is a problem anymore either
2017-01-13T16:49:54 < dongs> will ask
2017-01-13T16:50:40 < zyp> I'd think any older stock would be gone by now, it's like a year and a half since we messed around with that
2017-01-13T16:52:06 < dongs> were KSZ8081RNACA not from digikey?
2017-01-13T16:52:09 < dongs> er mnouser
2017-01-13T16:52:15 < zyp> oh, that might be, yes
2017-01-13T16:52:24 < dongs> i dont see it on china invoices
2017-01-13T16:52:33 < dongs> i guess i can ask chiangirl if it showed up
2017-01-13T16:52:41 < dongs> or else you can order this weekendf or something?
2017-01-13T16:53:35 < zyp> you can check china first, and I can get it from mouser if not
2017-01-13T16:53:40 < dongs> ok
2017-01-13T16:53:53 < dongs> i think thats about it.. other stuff matches up
2017-01-13T16:53:57 < dongs> and other shit I just have stock
2017-01-13T16:54:07 < zyp> nice
2017-01-13T16:54:24 < dongs> IP4420CZ6 ? what was that
2017-01-13T16:54:32 < dongs> is that also a mouser part?
2017-01-13T16:54:41 < zyp> esd protection, IIRC I typoed that
2017-01-13T16:54:51 < dongs> yes beause fucking google doesnt find it
2017-01-13T16:54:59 < dongs> IP4420CZ6
2017-01-13T16:55:01 < zyp> it's 4220, not 4420
2017-01-13T16:55:09 < dongs> k its on chinalist
2017-01-13T16:55:24 < zyp> I fixed in my altium lib the other day for the EV shit
2017-01-13T16:55:38 < dongs> so im ordering arcin pcb?
2017-01-13T16:56:07 < zyp> yeah, another batch like usual
2017-01-13T16:56:24 < zyp> IIRC you got everything including XH from china last time
2017-01-13T16:57:01 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-13T16:57:02 < zyp> I might also need some more cables for those, but I'll have to count that later
2017-01-13T16:57:28 < zyp> not sure how many I've got left and how many I've got orders for already
2017-01-13T16:58:06 < zyp> but right now I'm like 1800km away from them, so I'll get back to that later :p
2017-01-13T16:58:22 < dongs> hokay
2017-01-13T16:58:25 < dongs> norway is that big?
2017-01-13T16:58:38 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-13T16:58:49 < dongs> i think thats like one end of japan to another
2017-01-13T16:58:59 < zyp> norway is longer
2017-01-13T16:59:11 < zyp> also, this is road distance, straight line would be a bit shorter
2017-01-13T16:59:13 < zyp> :p
2017-01-13T16:59:25 < zyp> oh, by the way, while we're sourcing parts
2017-01-13T16:59:31 < zyp> does china have ATM90E32AS?
2017-01-13T16:59:41 < zyp> that's the energy metering chip
2017-01-13T16:59:48 < dongs> nup
2017-01-13T16:59:56 < dongs> suffix db?
2017-01-13T17:00:06 < dongs> ah no
2017-01-13T17:00:09 < dongs> db is demoboard
2017-01-13T17:00:12 < dongs> im gonna guess no
2017-01-13T17:00:12 < zyp> becaue if not I can grab them on mouser as well
2017-01-13T17:00:36 < dongs> ya you probly hsould.
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2017-01-13T17:02:05 < zyp> hmm
2017-01-13T17:02:53 < dongs> i dont think phy is in china either
2017-01-13T17:03:03 < dongs> so you might as well just order
2017-01-13T17:03:15 < dongs> i checked a couple places chinagirl looks at stuff and it aint there
2017-01-13T17:03:28 < zyp> does it get there faster if I do it now vs saturday/sunday?
2017-01-13T17:03:37 < dongs> its friday night right?
2017-01-13T17:03:43 < dongs> hten it ships today, and gets here liek tuesday
2017-01-13T17:03:50 < zyp> still early friday in the US
2017-01-13T17:03:51 < dongs> if you do it tomrorow then its like... here friday i guess next week
2017-01-13T17:03:59 < zyp> oh, heh
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2017-01-13T17:04:13 < dongs> cuz ships tuesday JP time, arrives thur/fri
2017-01-13T17:04:42 < zyp> hmm, let me just recall what other shit I'll need for the bottom EV board then
2017-01-13T17:04:48 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/CjtC8.png <- this shit
2017-01-13T17:04:59 < zyp> I can do all the pth shit myself
2017-01-13T17:06:07 < zyp> so smt shit is energy metering chip, DC/DC, isolators, i2c eeprom, couple of transistors and diodes and passives
2017-01-13T17:08:30 < dongs> is that done?
2017-01-13T17:08:37 < dongs> layout i mean
2017-01-13T17:08:45 < dongs> i guess looks done
2017-01-13T17:10:01 < zyp> that's ATM90E32AS, NXJ1S1205MC, SI8650 (narrow SO16), M24C32-D
2017-01-13T17:10:01 < zyp> F
2017-01-13T17:10:01 < zyp> M
2017-01-13T17:10:07 < zyp> fuck
2017-01-13T17:10:19 < zyp> ATM90E32AS, NXJ1S1205MC, SI8650 (narrow SO16), M24C32-DFMN
2017-01-13T17:12:02 < zyp> hmm, there's so many different ordering codes for SI8650
2017-01-13T17:12:34 < karlp> is that the isolator?
2017-01-13T17:12:36 < zyp> digikey got more than datasheet lists even
2017-01-13T17:12:37 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-13T17:12:42 < karlp> are aiming for cat II or cat III?
2017-01-13T17:12:52 < zyp> idk
2017-01-13T17:12:53 < karlp> (you need the wide, 5kv isolation for cat III)
2017-01-13T17:13:20 < karlp> the sea of options is for default High and default Low for the outputs and shit
2017-01-13T17:13:27 < zyp> I know
2017-01-13T17:14:05 < karlp> wotcha need i2c eeprom for? aren't you using l0?
2017-01-13T17:14:07 < zyp> also, I just realized that since I'm running SPI through this, MISO won't be released when deasserted
2017-01-13T17:14:15 < zyp> board id
2017-01-13T17:14:43 < karlp> don't want to use uniqid
2017-01-13T17:14:44 < karlp> ??
2017-01-13T17:14:49 < karlp> with less ?
2017-01-13T17:15:33 < zyp> mcu is on middle board, this is bottom board, I want to be able to autodetect what bottom board is connected in case I make several variants
2017-01-13T17:15:49 < karlp> ah right.
2017-01-13T17:15:51 < karlp> fancy
2017-01-13T17:16:08 < karlp> socomec put eeproms into their CTs so they could autodetect the CT turns ratio and shit
2017-01-13T17:16:11 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/BKkr8.png <- here's mcu board
2017-01-13T17:16:13 < Laurenceb_> sounds overengineered
2017-01-13T17:16:21 < zyp> also, this is F4, not L0
2017-01-13T17:16:34 < zyp> and I'm tempted to throw i2c eeprom on mcu board as well for config storage
2017-01-13T17:16:37 < Laurenceb_> what is it meant to do?
2017-01-13T17:17:19 < karlp> dissappointed l4 doesn't have eeprom like l0/l1
2017-01-13T17:17:58 < zyp> karlp, given that I have plenty of area, I should probably consider replacing the isolators with wide ones
2017-01-13T17:18:33 < dongs> L0 has no eep either 
2017-01-13T17:18:35 < dongs> i tihnk?
2017-01-13T17:18:37 < karlp> yes it does
2017-01-13T17:18:38 < dongs> only L1
2017-01-13T17:18:40 < dongs> o okay
2017-01-13T17:18:40 < karlp> just not as much as l1
2017-01-13T17:18:59 < karlp> well, l011 has 512 bytes of eeprom, l031 has 2k or something
2017-01-13T17:19:13 < zyp> dongs, so anyway, of the four parts listed, does china have any of those?
2017-01-13T17:19:38 < dongs> M24C32-D should be ok
2017-01-13T17:19:42 < dongs> others no
2017-01-13T17:19:45 < karlp> dongs, this isyour man: https://www.endole.co.uk/profile/profile_new.php?id=22145812
2017-01-13T17:20:10 < dongs> karlp: yeah, thats probly fake or wehatever, he's 'mopman' on efnet in some dodgy isp channel
2017-01-13T17:20:43 < karlp> nice power module there zyp
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2017-01-13T17:20:58 < dongs> wats M42C is that jsut a shitty eeprom?
2017-01-13T17:20:58 < zyp> karlp, the NXJ1?
2017-01-13T17:21:19 < zyp> dongs, it got a lockable id page as well
2017-01-13T17:21:24 < dongs> ah
2017-01-13T17:21:36 < zyp> so I can write board id and serial and shit and lock it
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2017-01-13T17:21:44 < dongs> cant you do that in OTP
2017-01-13T17:21:49 < dongs> on wahtefer Fxshit youre using
2017-01-13T17:21:52 < karlp> zyp: you wanted eeprom you could write to and then lock? not just one of the ones witha mac burnt in?
2017-01-13T17:22:03 < zyp> karlp, correct
2017-01-13T17:22:10 < zyp> and I found
2017-01-13T17:22:28 < dongs> which stm are you using there anyweay
2017-01-13T17:22:29 < dongs> i forgot
2017-01-13T17:22:38 < dongs> F405 wasnt it?
2017-01-13T17:22:39 < dongs> that has OTP
2017-01-13T17:24:08 < zyp> 16:15:33 < zyp> mcu is on middle board, this is bottom board, I want to be able to autodetect what bottom board is connected in case I make several variants
2017-01-13T17:24:18 < dongs> pffffffffffffffft
2017-01-13T17:24:31 < dongs> when is kickstarter
2017-01-13T17:24:35 < dongs> you're takign this waaay too seriously
2017-01-13T17:24:49 < dongs> like an actual ~product design~
2017-01-13T17:26:15 < zyp> haha
2017-01-13T17:26:35 < zyp> if I'm gonna do it, I want to do it right :p
2017-01-13T17:26:43 < karlp> that atmel power metering chip looks kinda nice.
2017-01-13T17:26:46 < karlp> lot of outputs though
2017-01-13T17:26:55 < zyp> so anyway, how about R1SE-1205? that's pretty much same form factor as NXJ1
2017-01-13T17:26:57 < karlp> separate zx pins for ech phase and everything
2017-01-13T17:27:10 < dongs> there's clones of recom shit but I wouldnt use them from china
2017-01-13T17:27:15 < zyp> «though»?
2017-01-13T17:27:25 < dongs> i  bought some before, and they have that thing where recom needs no external caps but chinaclones need huge caps
2017-01-13T17:27:35 < zyp> oh, dumb
2017-01-13T17:28:13 < zyp> okay, maybe I'll just get the NXJ1s then
2017-01-13T17:29:04 < zyp> dongs, so how many protos of that do I need to ask you to assemble for it to be worthwhile for you? :p
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2017-01-13T17:29:09 < karlp> you're using the silabs isolator between the atm90 and the f40x right?
2017-01-13T17:29:16 < zyp> karlp, correct
2017-01-13T17:29:17 < dongs> the powertrash? it looks simple, doesnt matter
2017-01-13T17:29:23 < dongs> oh, put some fiducials on the boards.
2017-01-13T17:29:29 < zyp> of course
2017-01-13T17:29:30 < dongs> ~all of htem~
2017-01-13T17:29:45 < karlp> just means you would have to poll if you want some of the events it has.
2017-01-13T17:30:04 < karlp> not likely to matter _at all_ for most of what you're doing I'd expect :)
2017-01-13T17:30:16 < zyp> dongs, I'll finish that shit when I get back home some time, I just want to get the parts on the same mouser order now so I don't pay double shipping
2017-01-13T17:30:23 < dongs> oh right
2017-01-13T17:30:25 < dongs> then whatever
2017-01-13T17:31:30 < zyp> ok
2017-01-13T17:31:37 < zyp> karlp, how so?
2017-01-13T17:31:49 < zyp> I'm running the IRQ pin through the isolator
2017-01-13T17:32:12 < karlp> right, that's the other way :)
2017-01-13T17:32:14 < zyp> it's able to combine all interrupts to IRQ0
2017-01-13T17:32:23 < karlp> yeah, just found it could combine the irq pins
2017-01-13T17:32:31 < karlp> it allows you to just tie CS low?
2017-01-13T17:32:40 < zyp> dunno, I'm not doing that
2017-01-13T17:33:13 < karlp> are you using a 5 channel isolator?
2017-01-13T17:33:26 < zyp> yeah, one for each direction
2017-01-13T17:33:34 < zyp> I'm also grabbing the ZX lines
2017-01-13T17:33:41 < karlp> ah, got the part number wrong.
2017-01-13T17:33:46 < zyp> for fun stuff
2017-01-13T17:33:55 < karlp> right, that's what I was getting at, you need more isolators
2017-01-13T17:34:08 < karlp> you can get the zx on the irq though right?
2017-01-13T17:34:20 < karlp> they'llbe far enough apart you can spi poll them
2017-01-13T17:34:27 < zyp> hmm, idk
2017-01-13T17:34:39 < karlp> I'm trying to use just a 2x2 4 channel isolator, with CS tied low,
2017-01-13T17:34:43 < zyp> I've hooked them to a timer
2017-01-13T17:35:14 < karlp> heh, nice if you have the isolators and the timers and the space :)
2017-01-13T17:36:09 < zyp> I figure I can use it to check which phases multiple units are hooked up to
2017-01-13T17:37:53 < karlp> from the zerocrossings of the voltage?
2017-01-13T17:38:09 < zyp> when running a three phase supply to multiple outlets, it'll be useful to rotate the phases for each outlet so that EVs with single phase chargers gets distributed across the phases
2017-01-13T17:38:35 < zyp> so each unit might be wired differently
2017-01-13T17:38:57 < zyp> and to calculate total load per conductor, I need to know which phases each outlet is actually loading
2017-01-13T17:40:09 < zyp> this could be configured manually, of course, but if I just sync the time across all units and look at the zero crossings, I'll know how they are wired relative to each other
2017-01-13T17:40:18 < karlp> right yeah,
2017-01-13T17:40:25 < karlp> I was like, "you just wire it up y0"
2017-01-13T17:40:45 < karlp> that "sync the time across all units" and look at zero crossings is what we're doign now.
2017-01-13T17:40:48 < zyp> and CAN got pretty predictable timing, so syncing the time to a precision good enough for detecting phases should be easy
2017-01-13T17:41:21 < zyp> heh, cool
2017-01-13T17:41:33 < karlp> just detecting phase should be, yes. should be easy when you have the voltage outputs like that.
2017-01-13T17:41:37 < zyp> good to hear I'm not the only one with that idea
2017-01-13T17:41:43 < karlp> no, we're a bit further out in the woods,
2017-01-13T17:42:00 < karlp> we're looking at the current only, and determining power factor based on synched zero crossing from the voltage measurement point
2017-01-13T17:42:27 < zyp> hehe
2017-01-13T17:42:30 < karlp> sensor foooshion
2017-01-13T17:42:50 < zyp> chip should give me power factor directly IIRC
2017-01-13T17:43:02 < karlp> sure, so does ours, at the point that's measuring the voltage :)
2017-01-13T17:43:37 < zyp> ah, you got one voltage sensor and a ton of current sensors?
2017-01-13T17:44:02 < karlp> pretty much.
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2017-01-13T17:44:26 < zyp> makes sense if it's all branched off from the same voltage
2017-01-13T17:45:19 < karlp> yeah,
2017-01-13T17:45:24 < karlp> just "apply science"
2017-01-13T17:46:00 < karlp> working out phase assignment automatically will be fun too.  "is this phase A lagging, or phase B leading?"
2017-01-13T17:47:57 < zyp> voltage shouldn't be lagging/leading between measuring points :)
2017-01-13T17:48:42 < karlp> no, but for a given current waveform, trying to determine which phase it's on, without knowing the load characteristsics
2017-01-13T17:48:53 < zyp> true
2017-01-13T17:49:06 < karlp> anywya, if that's manually configured, it will still be win.
2017-01-13T17:49:25 < karlp> I like the look of that atm90 though, 
2017-01-13T17:49:36 < karlp> would love to replace the one we're using. calibration so old and crufty
2017-01-13T17:49:43 < karlp> yours is wayyyy cheaper too
2017-01-13T17:52:20 < zyp> well, yeah, I've pored over the datasheets of a bunch of stuff and I settled for this one since it's looking the most reasonable
2017-01-13T17:53:31 < zyp> I was looking at that maxim part with integrated isolation stuff too, it also looked nice until I found out it's NRND
2017-01-13T17:55:27 < zyp> oh, there's also a speed difference for those si8650 things
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2017-01-13T17:59:05 < karlp> there's a TI isolator too, not sure about 5 channel.
2017-01-13T17:59:51 < karlp> ADUM only goes to 4 channel I think as well.
2017-01-13T18:00:19 < zyp> SPI interface on the energy metering chip isn't super fast either, so I guess the 1Mb/s one will do fine
2017-01-13T18:00:42 < zyp> no point in getting the 150Mb/s one at 2-3x the cost
2017-01-13T18:05:55 < rene-dev> Si86 are nice isolators
2017-01-13T18:06:25 < dongs> ok time to blog the fuck out
2017-01-13T18:06:36 < dongs> zyp, so order 36x sets for LL and wahtever for other shit.
2017-01-13T18:06:41 < dongs> ill get a chinaparts list for otmrorow for it
2017-01-13T18:06:49 < zyp> yeah, I'm about to finish up the mouser order
2017-01-13T18:06:58 < zyp> how is it, do they freeship to jp?
2017-01-13T18:07:05 < dongs> sure
2017-01-13T18:07:09 < dongs> if its over$60 o wahrtever
2017-01-13T18:07:11 < dongs> sounds like it will be
2017-01-13T18:07:26 < dongs> just dont send me any weird export controlled shit
2017-01-13T18:07:36 < zyp> I'm at $86 with the other parts
2017-01-13T18:07:45 < dongs> cool
2017-01-13T18:07:48 < dongs> should be good to go
2017-01-13T18:07:59 < zyp> that's parts for five boards
2017-01-13T18:08:03 < zyp> of the others
2017-01-13T18:08:04 < dongs> i might get dinged with 8% tax tho
2017-01-13T18:08:10 < dongs> if its >10000 jpy
2017-01-13T18:08:28 < zyp> should be just below
2017-01-13T18:08:38 < zyp> google says 9869
2017-01-13T18:08:41 < zyp> haha
2017-01-13T18:08:42 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-13T18:08:44 < dongs> all good then
2017-01-13T18:09:49 < zyp> ups, fedex or dhl?
2017-01-13T18:10:02 < psprint> Looks like DCMI supports progressive scan, and doc names "interlace" scan as "interleaved", writing: "Camera modules can have 8 such codes (in interleaved mode). For this reason, the interleaved mode is not supported by the camera interface (otherwise, every other half- frame would be discarded)." I only need half of the frames actually, but will this work with video-decoder IC like Texas TVP5150 or Analog
2017-01-13T18:10:04 < dongs> fedex or ups
2017-01-13T18:10:05 < psprint> ADV7280
2017-01-13T18:11:20 < zyp> ok, done
2017-01-13T18:17:03 < englishman> >I was looking at that maxim part with integrated isolation stuff too, it also looked nice until I found out it's NRND
2017-01-13T18:17:06 < englishman> maxim in a nutshell
2017-01-13T18:17:22 < zyp> haha
2017-01-13T18:17:49 < zyp> well, actually, it would have required pulse transformers
2017-01-13T18:19:11 < zyp> it would have saved me the isolators and the isolated DC/DC, but I would have had to do three external frontend chips with a pulse transformer isolating each instead
2017-01-13T18:19:39 < zyp> so in the end I'm not sure it would have saved anything
2017-01-13T18:20:06 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/8t8TaLUFIew?t=40s
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2017-01-13T18:23:57 < dongs> Thorn, i don't think most people find that catfag shit as funny as you do
2017-01-13T18:29:29 < karlp> we have a shitty resistive/cap AC-dc non-isolated supply for that side.
2017-01-13T18:30:41 < zyp> yeah, I guess I could have went that route too, but an isolated DC/DC seemed the least hassle
2017-01-13T18:32:13 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/x87NXj58.html
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2017-01-13T18:33:18 < karlp> well that module is a nice price too.
2017-01-13T18:33:23 < karlp> depends how much space you've got too
2017-01-13T18:35:01 < zyp> well, that board is not exactly overcrowded
2017-01-13T18:35:18 < zyp> then again, I've given up fitting stuff in two modules and went with four :p
2017-01-13T18:36:41 < englishman> this is a IoT clampmeter?
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2017-01-13T18:44:34 < karlp> yeah, I'm in 2 modules.  4 is heaps of space 
2017-01-13T18:46:18 < zyp> I was hoping to fit in two, but then the AC/DC would eat almost the entire bottom board
2017-01-13T18:46:35 < zyp> might have made power metering fit on the bottom side
2017-01-13T18:47:19 < zyp> fitting both oled and other shit on the front panel would have been a hassle too
2017-01-13T18:47:59 < zyp> and I hadn't even considered putting an intel edison or similar into it at that point
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2017-01-13T20:16:20 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/zbsmvQY.gif
2017-01-13T20:27:54 < psprint> what a pitty, CubeMX reports that DCMI is with conflict with LTDC, actually hard to believe, I saw some "grab from camera put to LCD" blog posts
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2017-01-13T20:30:06 < kakimir> Laurenceb_ *rubshispalmstogetherviolently*
2017-01-13T20:30:20 < kakimir> plan it perfect
2017-01-13T20:30:23 < kakimir> *is
2017-01-13T20:32:18 < kakimir> killer rats
2017-01-13T20:32:26 < kakimir> on steroids
2017-01-13T20:33:00 < sync_> interesting Laurenceb_
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2017-01-13T20:37:01 < psprint> what is some cheap well working LCD panel compatible with stm?
2017-01-13T20:37:29 < kakimir> those old nokia 5510 type phones display modules
2017-01-13T20:37:50 < kakimir> on breakout board with 2.54pitch connector
2017-01-13T20:39:25 < kakimir> *5110
2017-01-13T20:39:56 < kakimir> and what do you mean by cheap and lcd panel?
2017-01-13T20:42:09 < psprint> kakimir: I'm new to this topic, saw some chip things on Farnell, not sure about tft-or-not
2017-01-13T20:42:14 < psprint> cheap*
2017-01-13T20:48:02 < kakimir> then there are OLEDs
2017-01-13T20:48:36 < kakimir> 0.96" 128x64
2017-01-13T20:48:58 < kakimir> 1.3" 128x64
2017-01-13T20:49:09 < kakimir> single color
2017-01-13T20:50:08 < kakimir> every china marketplace has them and every hacking store too
2017-01-13T20:51:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6quVf1_BIg maybe something in video like this?
2017-01-13T20:52:32 < upgrdman> kakimir, know any decent priced oled's that are >3" ?
2017-01-13T20:53:39 < kakimir> no
2017-01-13T20:53:42 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-13T20:54:58 < kakimir> tell me if you find one
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2017-01-13T21:12:29 < psprint> What a fine project I've found – Ambilight with STMF4 / DCMI – he gave .sch / .brd files, and the code, and used TVP5150AM1 PBS32 chip to feed DCMI: http://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/302189
2017-01-13T21:13:22 < BrainDamage> generally ambilights are pretty meh tough
2017-01-13T21:13:50 < BrainDamage> they can't/don't distinguish the surface type of what's at the edge of the screen
2017-01-13T21:14:18 < BrainDamage> so you'll get bloom even for opaque materials such as cloth
2017-01-13T21:14:46 < BrainDamage> or better, rather than the surface, the emissivity
2017-01-13T21:19:32 < psprint> ack
2017-01-13T21:19:44 < psprint> he has done a shield like pcb, nice: http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/298683/20160709_093541.jpg
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2017-01-13T22:29:37 < kakimir> how much plain stainless steel surface dissipates heat?
2017-01-13T22:29:53 < kakimir> talking about that coefficient reading or so
2017-01-13T22:31:50 < upgrdman> random thought: if you have pure functions (no side effects, external state, etc.) and they only read from their inputs... if those functions need to be called a lot, that should be trivial to parallelize. anyone know if there are languages or tools that will like take a loop like this and automagically turn it into threads for you? for(int i = 0; i < 100; i++) someResult = myPureFunction(someReadOnlyData);
2017-01-13T22:32:16 < sync_> look it up kakimir 
2017-01-13T22:32:29 < kakimir> I tried
2017-01-13T22:32:31 < upgrdman> like detect ass loads of pure function calls and split them into threads for you and then block until all are done
2017-01-13T22:33:00 < kakimir> interesting thought upgrdman 
2017-01-13T22:33:11 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-01-13T22:33:18 < kakimir> compiler can not automatically thread stuff?
2017-01-13T22:33:43 < upgrdman> doubt it. would be neat though
2017-01-13T22:34:05 < upgrdman> i mean, like ya i would like this be done by the compiler, unknown to the dev
2017-01-13T22:34:50 < sync_> kakimir: depends on surface finish but something like 0.1 - 0.9
2017-01-13T22:35:00 < upgrdman> hmm i suppose if its hidden then the inputs would also have to be constant, not just read only
2017-01-13T22:36:35 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: openmp
2017-01-13T22:37:53 < BrainDamage> #pragma omp parallel for for your loop example
2017-01-13T22:38:17 < kakimir> sync_: what unit?
2017-01-13T22:38:52 < sync_> no unit
2017-01-13T22:38:52 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, hmm. their website is annoying. wtf is it? a spec? who implements the spec
2017-01-13T22:39:46 < BrainDamage> compilers implement it, eg gcc has it
2017-01-13T22:40:00 < upgrdman> oh nice
2017-01-13T22:40:26 < BrainDamage> -fopenmp
2017-01-13T22:43:10 < BrainDamage> openmp is nice for "dumb" threading, and not too complex to learn
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2017-01-13T22:46:44 < kakimir> sync_: brushed stainles steel
2017-01-13T22:46:49 < englishman> hey Laurenceb_ you here
2017-01-13T22:46:58 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-01-13T22:47:01 < englishman> http://www.hydroquebec.com/sustainable-development/pdf/co2-emissions-electricity-2015.pdf
2017-01-13T22:47:15 < englishman> how much better is EV vs stupid diesel in my place
2017-01-13T22:47:24 < englishman> vw doesnt even sell diesels here
2017-01-13T22:47:43 < Laurenceb_> wow thats low
2017-01-13T22:47:49 < Laurenceb_> about 3 times better
2017-01-13T22:48:02 < Laurenceb_> your power is way way lower CO2 than UK
2017-01-13T22:48:05 < englishman> yes
2017-01-13T22:48:13 < englishman> and zero nuclear to boot
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2017-01-13T22:48:30 < Laurenceb_> muh ebil nuclear
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2017-01-13T22:48:40 < englishman> and power is still like 6c / kWh
2017-01-13T22:48:58 < englishman> notice as well that we abhor hereditary monarchy
2017-01-13T22:48:58 < BrainDamage> man here it's 0.22€/kWh
2017-01-13T22:49:00 < englishman> COINCIDENCE???????
2017-01-13T22:49:47 < Laurenceb_> seals and black
2017-01-13T22:49:50 < Laurenceb_> *are
2017-01-13T22:49:51 < upgrdman> i think i pay $0.12 - $0.35 per kWh here, tiered pricing depending on how much i use
2017-01-13T22:50:42 < BrainDamage> we have tiered pricing, and day/night diff costs, but the average for my bin is about 0.22€/kWh
2017-01-13T22:51:20 < upgrdman> mine is not based on time, just total usage. and i tend to be in the lower tears and average maybe $0.16-$0.20
2017-01-13T22:51:42 < upgrdman> but i dont use much. when my air conditioner is on i end up in the highest tier and get ass raped
2017-01-13T22:54:09 < karlp> BrainDamage: do you have charges for power factor too? or not for residential?
2017-01-13T22:56:18 < BrainDamage> we have penalties for |pf| > 0.1, theoretically for residential too, but I'm not aware of it being ever enforced except for some extreme silly cases
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2017-01-13T22:57:14 < englishman> do you get 3phase in italy to residences
2017-01-13T22:58:29 < BrainDamage> you get 3 phase wiring to the building's dispatching manhole, but you'll need explicit request if you want it wired from there
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2017-01-13T23:00:36 < BrainDamage> in my case tough I'm physically against the MV transformer so it'd be even simpler
2017-01-13T23:01:20 < BrainDamage> like I could literally lift the cover and piss on it
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2017-01-13T23:05:42 < upgrdman> mv?
2017-01-13T23:06:48 < karlp> medium voltage
2017-01-13T23:09:42 < englishman> yes when you see MV you know it's safe to touch, it's only medium voltage
2017-01-13T23:10:27 < BrainDamage> it's only 10kV you big baby
2017-01-13T23:12:39 < karlp> silly power people.
2017-01-13T23:21:16 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-13T23:21:22 < aandrew> I spent a lot of years in power electronics
2017-01-13T23:21:30 < aandrew> always made me laugh how they refer to it as medium voltage
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2017-01-13T23:21:54 < aandrew> we're currently getting raped on hydro charges in ontario
2017-01-13T23:22:00 < aandrew> god bless that idiot wynne
2017-01-13T23:22:12 < aandrew> anyway gotta go to the bank
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2017-01-13T23:40:44 < englishman> yes quebec is now the greatest province in canada all thanks to wynne
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2017-01-13T23:46:56 < Ecco> Hey
2017-01-13T23:47:15 < Ecco> 2 layers PCB. I want the thickness of the *whole* PCB to be 0.8 mm
2017-01-13T23:47:22 < Ecco> SHould I order a 0.8 mm thick PCB?
2017-01-13T23:47:42 < Ecco> I just did (from china) and got something which is actually 1.0mm thick
2017-01-13T23:47:49 < Ecco> is that normal, or did they just goofed up?
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2017-01-14T00:05:53 < kakimir> it's whatever you order
2017-01-14T00:06:04 < kakimir> order 0.8mm - get 0.8mm
2017-01-14T00:06:22 < kakimir> usually pay a lot
2017-01-14T00:06:47 < kakimir> as you go further from 1.6mm basic size
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2017-01-14T00:31:47 < Ecco> ok :)
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2017-01-14T00:31:55 < Ecco> Well, I ordered 0.8 and got 1.0
2017-01-14T00:31:56 < Ecco> :-/
2017-01-14T00:32:06 < Ecco> No big deal though, but not what I asked for :)
2017-01-14T00:32:40 < kakimir> that's not good
2017-01-14T00:33:10 < kakimir> affects not only physical aspect but the electric too
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2017-01-14T00:35:36 < kakimir> I need some little enclosures
2017-01-14T00:35:42 < kakimir> really like small
2017-01-14T00:36:03 < kakimir> slim
2017-01-14T00:36:21 < kakimir> like 20mm x 20mm x 6mm
2017-01-14T00:49:07 < upgrdman__> i wish i could find these enclosues for sale (without the laser etching) http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nU4AAOxyaTxTTQvc/s-l300.jpg
2017-01-14T00:51:24 < kakimir> hey
2017-01-14T00:51:28 < kakimir> that has even the usb
2017-01-14T00:51:35 < kakimir> I need those
2017-01-14T00:58:10 < kakimir> where to get without that mess?
2017-01-14T00:58:58 < upgrdman__> wish i knew
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2017-01-14T00:59:33 < upgrdman> i searched ali for "usb enclosure" "usb stick body" etc and didnt find that style
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2017-01-14T01:11:38 < kakimir> ballz
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2017-01-14T01:20:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G3kQyqMFpQ interesting video about applying to programming jobs
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2017-01-14T01:36:19 < fenugrec> hmm, why are these called "GX16", and who are they copying ? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Aviation-Plug-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-Pins-16mm-GX16-4-Metal-Male-Female-Panel-Connectors-/172429835059
2017-01-14T01:37:20 < upgrdman> http://www.gigavac.com/sites/default/files/files/catalog/spec_sheet/gx16_0.pdf
2017-01-14T01:37:37 < upgrdman> o wait nm
2017-01-14T01:47:26 < zyp> is the 4-pin of those what's used for mics on old radio transceivers?
2017-01-14T01:52:12 < fenugrec> zyp yep looks like that
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2017-01-14T02:10:19 < KreAture> Got a bag of those debuggers that come heatshrinked instead of alu covered
2017-01-14T02:10:26 < KreAture> They use real f103's
2017-01-14T02:14:27 < upgrdman> ya mine too. the alu shell slides off with enough force.
2017-01-14T02:14:48 < upgrdman> was kinda tempted to reprogram it for general fuckery
2017-01-14T02:20:15 < englishman> dongs https://youtu.be/3_u5tAXFHoQ
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2017-01-14T03:03:18 < dongs> englishman: looks like dji
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2017-01-14T05:58:30 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/p9W5a2W
2017-01-14T05:58:47 < englishman> its reddit o'clock
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2017-01-14T06:53:25 < stvn> autiste
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2017-01-14T07:24:06 < jadew> LeelooMinai, take the other one out and measure it
2017-01-14T07:24:17 < jadew> oh, that was an hour ago
2017-01-14T07:24:20 < jadew> nvm
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2017-01-14T07:36:32 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/SbnQfOt.png
2017-01-14T07:36:35 < stvn> blip blip blip blip blip blip 
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2017-01-14T08:18:14 < stvn> latest ugfx demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIYIUKY3sYs
2017-01-14T08:18:29 < ohsix> https://www.reddit.com/r/rickandmorty/comments/4ckk4j/i_3d_printed_mr_poopybutthole/
2017-01-14T08:19:00 < stvn> welcome to ##stm32 ohsix!
2017-01-14T08:19:45 < ohsix> hi
2017-01-14T08:20:05 < ohsix> i'm watching a periscope of the rick & morty art exhibit thing in la
2017-01-14T08:33:52 < ColdKeyboard[a]> I haven't used Altium for a while and in v17 they changed some stuff. How do I set the rules for clearance that will affect only Polygon Pours?
2017-01-14T08:34:16 < ColdKeyboard[a]> I tried "IsPolygon" and "All" but it doesn't work :\
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2017-01-14T09:14:58 < stvn> FGPA
2017-01-14T09:15:03 < stvn> FPGA
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2017-01-14T09:46:06 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: click 'advanced' circle in the clearance drc
2017-01-14T09:46:10 < dongs> it goes back to the table-view
2017-01-14T09:46:12 < dongs> instead of simple shit
2017-01-14T09:49:59 < ohsix> seagate closing largest plant and firing 2200 employees from a cannon
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2017-01-14T10:08:54 < ReadError> meanwhile.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMptVkyZWE4
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2017-01-14T10:26:18 < ColdKeyboard> Wtf? Seedstudio is now charging $8 for shipping???
2017-01-14T10:36:39 < ColdKeyboard> Are there any other PCB fab houses that charge like $10 for 10 pcb-s? SeedStudio had that thing and it was super nice but now they introduced $9 for shipping :@
2017-01-14T10:40:33 < zyp> introduced? as far as I remember they've always charged for shipping
2017-01-14T10:41:20 < zyp> also, how the fuck do you think pcbs get to your house without being shipped there?
2017-01-14T10:42:58 < zyp> let's see, last time I got pcbs from seeed were four years ago, I paid $7.89 for shipping
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2017-01-14T11:07:50 < stvn> Has anyone dumped some good links today?
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2017-01-14T11:16:20 < zyp> no
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2017-01-14T11:17:23 < ohsix> what do you think this is, some sort of link dump?
2017-01-14T11:18:03 < ohsix> pal got pcbs that weren't scored
2017-01-14T11:18:09 < ohsix> from easyeda or something
2017-01-14T11:18:37 < ohsix> ReadError: dumbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
2017-01-14T11:18:45 < ReadError> lol ofc
2017-01-14T11:19:47 < ohsix> why are you getting him views
2017-01-14T11:23:55 < ohsix> lerl c64 games that can be beat in <5 minutes if you know what you're diong already
2017-01-14T11:28:36 < ReadError> i didnt even watch it before posting it
2017-01-14T11:28:47 < ReadError> the title of it alone and description I knew it was trash
2017-01-14T11:29:51 < ohsix> there's a joke in there that's probably a pretty good one
2017-01-14T11:30:18 < ohsix> but it falls apart if you look too close or know anything about it
2017-01-14T11:36:45 < dongs> https://www.rt.com/usa/373612-huge-cocks/
2017-01-14T11:44:00 < stvn> thanks
2017-01-14T11:47:12 < dongs> where are the atomic 
2017-01-14T11:47:18 < dongs> where are the atomic intrinsics in cmsis
2017-01-14T11:47:23 < dongs> is there add/subtract stuff
2017-01-14T11:47:29  * dongs googles
2017-01-14T11:49:15 < dongs> stvn: my indianpal says antibiotics for fixing that shit are available OTC
2017-01-14T11:49:22 < dongs> (just not in USA)
2017-01-14T11:49:25 < dongs> lol @ capitalism fail
2017-01-14T11:49:38 < stvn> retarded journalists
2017-01-14T11:50:22 < stvn> 'uhh lets rerun the super-bug scare campaign, not enough mass shootings to report on!'
2017-01-14T11:51:51 < dongs> hm not finding
2017-01-14T11:51:53 < dongs> halp
2017-01-14T11:53:49 < dongs> o yeah its the __LDREXW  / __STREXW shit
2017-01-14T11:56:58 < stvn> what do you need them for?
2017-01-14T11:57:46 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/KoOauA23.html does this work
2017-01-14T11:58:02 < dongs> stvn: shit like modifying fifo counters across threads
2017-01-14T11:58:35 < dongs> ah im probly gonna have to declare that new_value shit outside the loop
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2017-01-14T12:06:50 < ohsix> hehehe binding of isaac on steam, in the system requirements says 'discreet' video card
2017-01-14T12:06:55 < ohsix> very hush hush
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2017-01-14T12:41:19 < stvn> the dirty old vfd
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2017-01-14T14:20:32 < stvn> fuckin stupid hexchat
2017-01-14T14:20:50 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/gRdoGPp.gif
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2017-01-14T15:15:44 < stvn> welcome Laurenceb__ 
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2017-01-14T15:22:29 < Fleck> quickly reading dma2d features, it seems that dma2d can't rotate image by 90ž° ?
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2017-01-14T15:31:40 < zyp> at a glance, it doesn't look like it does transposing
2017-01-14T15:32:02 < Fleck> :(
2017-01-14T15:33:56 < zyp> doesn't seem to do any mirroring either
2017-01-14T15:37:09 < Fleck> yeah, for vertical mirroring one can use for loop with dma2d single line copy
2017-01-14T15:40:58 < zyp> so DMA1D :p
2017-01-14T15:41:37 < zyp> well, for transposing you can do dma2d single line copy with input stride matching line width
2017-01-14T15:42:00 < zyp> so you'll read a single column and write it as a line
2017-01-14T15:42:04 < zyp> hmm
2017-01-14T15:42:07 < zyp> oh
2017-01-14T15:42:21 < zyp> single col copy, I guess
2017-01-14T15:42:31 < zyp> anyway, should be possible
2017-01-14T15:42:47 < zyp> and faster than doing it by cpu
2017-01-14T15:44:42 < zyp> hmm
2017-01-14T15:45:11 < Fleck> you can do single row not col
2017-01-14T15:45:20 < zyp> sure you can
2017-01-14T15:45:32 < zyp> line width = 1px, stride = whatever
2017-01-14T15:45:34 < Fleck> with offset?
2017-01-14T15:45:42 < Fleck> :P
2017-01-14T15:45:44 < zyp> exactly
2017-01-14T15:45:47 < zyp> offset = stride
2017-01-14T15:46:03 < zyp> or is it stride = width + offset, idk, didn't read that closely
2017-01-14T15:46:09 < zyp> but it should work
2017-01-14T15:46:43 < zyp> hmm
2017-01-14T15:47:00 < zyp> for ccw rotation you'll want to copy col to line, for cw rotation you'll want to copy line to col
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2017-01-14T15:48:51 < Fleck> zyp: how about DMA?
2017-01-14T15:49:20 < zyp> how about what?
2017-01-14T15:49:39 < Fleck> transposing RAM content
2017-01-14T15:49:52 < zyp> DMA can't do stride
2017-01-14T15:50:16 < zyp> anyway, DMA2D can do it, turning a single line to col at a time
2017-01-14T15:50:38 < Fleck> yeah, that's how I will do it then 
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2017-01-14T17:00:03 < Thorn> http://www.spacex.com/webcast in 3 hours
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2017-01-14T17:28:43 < Fleck> zyp: hmm, DMA2D offset works only when I draw vertically and ignores if horizontally...
2017-01-14T17:28:52 < Fleck> kinda makes sense also 
2017-01-14T17:30:15 < Fleck> but I need to read vertically, output horizontally
2017-01-14T17:31:24 < Fleck> hmm, maybe HAL does this, will check!
2017-01-14T17:33:03 < zyp> Fleck, well, sure
2017-01-14T17:33:26 < zyp> but you have to treat the lines as columns with stride=1
2017-01-14T17:33:38 < Fleck> whats stride???
2017-01-14T17:33:47 < Fleck> can't finde a word about that in RM
2017-01-14T17:33:50 < zyp> padded line width
2017-01-14T17:34:17 < zyp> so, how does offset work?
2017-01-14T17:34:30 < zyp> stride is either offset itself, or width + offset
2017-01-14T17:35:04 < Fleck> well inputOffset I have for DMA2D Layer I can provide how many px to skip
2017-01-14T17:35:21 < zyp> so 0 if you don't want to skip any?
2017-01-14T17:35:23 < Fleck> like, if I would like to copy only a part of image
2017-01-14T17:35:27 < Fleck> yes
2017-01-14T17:35:36 < zyp> okay, in that case stride is width + offset
2017-01-14T17:36:14 < Fleck> and where do I put that?
2017-01-14T17:36:39 < zyp> so you'll want to set up a dma job for width = 1, height = N
2017-01-14T17:36:48 < Fleck> yep done!
2017-01-14T17:36:59 < zyp> for col you set offset = width - 1, and for row you set offset = 0
2017-01-14T17:38:03 < Fleck> emm
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2017-01-14T17:38:45 < Fleck> and for row you set offset = 0 << where and how is that? :D
2017-01-14T17:39:03 < Fleck> srcAddr += 4; ?
2017-01-14T17:39:12 < Fleck> nope thats would be +1
2017-01-14T17:39:15 < zyp> hint: a 1xN picture transposed to Nx1 got the same in-memory representation
2017-01-14T17:39:20 < Fleck> (4 bytes a px)
2017-01-14T17:39:42 < Fleck> 56x56 pic here
2017-01-14T17:39:47 < zyp> so what you're doing is copying 1xN segments (and treating them as Nx1)
2017-01-14T17:40:07 < Fleck> check pm
2017-01-14T17:41:00 < zyp> I don't know hal, I just looked at the registers in the RM
2017-01-14T17:41:36 < Fleck> ok
2017-01-14T17:41:42 < Fleck> sec...
2017-01-14T17:42:22 < Fleck> yes
2017-01-14T17:42:24 < Fleck> I got it! :)
2017-01-14T17:42:45 < zyp> nice
2017-01-14T17:43:01 < Fleck> thanks man! :)
2017-01-14T17:43:20 < zyp> well, I wouldn't have come up with it if you hadn't mentioned the trick for reversing
2017-01-14T17:44:16 < Fleck> input offset = 0 (as I need to read px by px, just output them vertically), then after each line just calc next line in img buff (srcAddr += (imgHeight*4)
2017-01-14T17:44:35 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-14T17:44:45 < zyp> and if you want to rotate other direction, just swap input and output offset
2017-01-14T17:44:58 < zyp> i.e. copying cols to lines instead of lines to cols
2017-01-14T17:45:04 < Fleck> yeah
2017-01-14T17:45:23 < Fleck> I can even go revers so I have all 4 directions possible
2017-01-14T17:46:19 < zyp> I'm not sure you could do a 180 degree rotation as efficiently though
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2017-01-14T17:49:51 < Fleck> hmm, yeah, got mirrored img, but also sideways
2017-01-14T17:52:28 < zyp> most efficient would be doing two rotations or two flips
2017-01-14T17:53:37 < Fleck> then I have to have buffer
2017-01-14T17:54:30 < Thorn> why doesn't weendows request the menufacturer string http://paste.ofcode.org/hkHuVyaptdXqnxxfwte8Zy
2017-01-14T17:56:05 < Rob235> I haven't used my galaxy tab S in so long, I forgot how terrible the battery life is
2017-01-14T17:56:18 < zyp> Thorn, because it doesn't need it?
2017-01-14T17:56:26 < Rob235> dropped 10% (while plugged in) while installing updates
2017-01-14T17:56:37 < zyp> product string is used for the detected device popup, vendor string isn't
2017-01-14T18:00:28 < Thorn> also why does it request serial with langid 0x0409 before it requests the langid descriptor
2017-01-14T18:00:47 < Thorn> it can't know that my device even supports language 0x0409
2017-01-14T18:01:07 < Thorn> is it a fixed langid for serials in the spec?
2017-01-14T18:02:57 < zyp> idk, check the spec?
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2017-01-14T18:13:04 < Thorn> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn423379(v=vs.85).aspx#langidsn
2017-01-14T18:13:11 < Thorn> nothing in the spec itself
2017-01-14T18:15:02 < zyp> what's 0x0409 anyway?
2017-01-14T18:15:08 < zyp> oh, english, yes
2017-01-14T18:15:10 < Thorn> US English
2017-01-14T18:15:28 < zyp> that's a reasonable default
2017-01-14T18:15:37 < zyp> and a serial shouldn't be different between different languages
2017-01-14T18:15:45 < zyp> so it makes sense
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2017-01-14T18:19:32 < Fleck> if only DMA2D had pixel reading direction settable, would be great :p
2017-01-14T18:20:35 < zyp> agreed
2017-01-14T18:20:48 < zyp> and transposing while we're at it
2017-01-14T18:20:58 < Fleck> yep, that would be event better
2017-01-14T18:21:04 < Fleck> *even
2017-01-14T18:21:30 < zyp> so, flip x direction, flip y direction and swap x/y for output
2017-01-14T18:27:36 < zyp> Thorn, what's that usb output from btw?
2017-01-14T18:28:08 < Thorn> my dwc_otg driver
2017-01-14T18:28:42 < zyp> aha, cute
2017-01-14T18:29:25 < Fleck> zyp: yeah, that would cover all cases! :D
2017-01-14T18:29:50 < Thorn> well this is the actual log http://paste.ofcode.org/jCRMUv2T8dBcuGxLznsavm
2017-01-14T18:32:16 < zyp> Thorn, scratch-written driver? curious to look at the design some time
2017-01-14T18:32:47 < Thorn> I've been refactoring it this week
2017-01-14T18:33:01 < Thorn> it's currently pretty enterprisey lol
2017-01-14T18:33:16 < Thorn> with classes for device, endpoints, streams, classes
2017-01-14T18:33:44 < Thorn> I'm planning to put it on github
2017-01-14T18:34:18 < zyp> is it decoupled enough from the hardware that it's easy to support other usb periphs?
2017-01-14T18:34:34 < Thorn> that is currently in work
2017-01-14T18:34:47 < zyp> okay
2017-01-14T18:35:10 < zyp> I've been planning to redesign my driver at some point, so I'd be looking for good ideas I could steal :p
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2017-01-14T18:47:10 < Laurenceb___> random question: what happens if RTC clock fails and you try to read an RTC register?
2017-01-14T18:47:13 < Laurenceb___>  - LSE fails
2017-01-14T18:48:00 < Fleck> you get 0x00
2017-01-14T18:48:05 < Fleck> random guess
2017-01-14T18:48:11 < Laurenceb___> ok
2017-01-14T18:48:13 < Fleck> and why there is no ignore? :D
2017-01-14T18:48:19 < Laurenceb___> as long as it doens cause bus fault
2017-01-14T18:48:33 < zyp> I'd guess the register block is clocked by the bus, not the LSE
2017-01-14T18:48:46 < zyp> which bus is RTC on anyway?
2017-01-14T18:49:09 < Laurenceb___> then why does RTC_WaitForLastTask(); exist?
2017-01-14T18:49:27 < zyp> APB1
2017-01-14T18:49:35 < zyp> so it should be clocked by the APB1 bus clock
2017-01-14T18:49:48 < zyp> (F4, since that's the RM I had open, other parts may differ)
2017-01-14T18:50:32 < Laurenceb___> http://stm32.kosyak.info/doc/group___r_t_c___exported___functions.html#gaca4346e0dc15dccc15179786b28450db
2017-01-14T18:54:34 < Laurenceb___> ok reading F1 ref manual there are shadow registers on APB1
2017-01-14T18:54:40 < Laurenceb___> so they should read 0
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2017-01-14T19:36:04 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTmbSur4fcs webcast started
2017-01-14T19:38:18 < englishman> hey Thorn 
2017-01-14T19:38:24 < englishman> i like your kitten videos plz keep posting
2017-01-14T19:38:31 < englishman> despite anything bitter japs may say
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2017-01-14T19:55:00 < Steffanx> T-00:00:10 \o/
2017-01-14T19:56:43 < qyx> whats launching?
2017-01-14T19:57:16 < qyx> aha
2017-01-14T19:59:53 < englishman> qyx: ten iridium sats
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2017-01-14T20:14:42 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb___: I think on L1 I was getting stale data when clock failed.
2017-01-14T20:50:29 < Laurenceb___> PaulFertser: I'm just working my way through failure modes on some high reliability stuff
2017-01-14T20:50:43 < Laurenceb___> should prob try desoldering RTC xtal on a running pcb
2017-01-14T20:50:59 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb___: or short with the tweezers?
2017-01-14T20:51:15 < Laurenceb___> good idea
2017-01-14T20:51:24 < Laurenceb___> as long as it doesnt fry it
2017-01-14T20:51:47 < PaulFertser> I think one xtal pin is always input
2017-01-14T20:52:02 < Laurenceb___> yeah
2017-01-14T20:52:33 < Laurenceb___> existing Fatfs locks up if RTC has failed at boot
2017-01-14T20:52:47 < PaulFertser> Probably just waits for LSE
2017-01-14T20:53:24 < Laurenceb___> yeah
2017-01-14T21:18:55 < englishman> http://www.digikey.ca/products/en?keywords=3M5607CT-ND
2017-01-14T21:19:00 < englishman> Part Status	Active
2017-01-14T21:19:07 < englishman> EOL notice = June 2010
2017-01-14T21:19:08 < englishman> wat
2017-01-14T21:32:07 < englishman> is there an intel edison datasheet about power consumption
2017-01-14T21:32:16 < englishman> hardware datasheet has precisely nothing
2017-01-14T21:33:54 < englishman> relying on blogposts for power data
2017-01-14T21:33:56 < englishman> yay intel
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2017-01-15T00:55:35 < jadew> ok... I lost a week on that hacklang & linux adventure
2017-01-15T00:55:45 < jadew> turns out hacklang is too young at the moment for anything useful
2017-01-15T00:58:38 < BrainDamage> why would you want to do multiple radical changes to your workflow the same week
2017-01-15T00:58:57 < jadew> BrainDamage, I didn't want to, it doesn't work on windows
2017-01-15T00:59:11 < BrainDamage> nobody forces you to use that at all
2017-01-15T00:59:20 < BrainDamage> or you could use a vm
2017-01-15T00:59:26 < BrainDamage> or try that bash for windows
2017-01-15T01:00:03 < jadew> it's not the same, anyway, linux is okish at the moment
2017-01-15T01:00:27 < jadew> and I even got my libraries up to date, cuz they weren't compiling anymore
2017-01-15T01:01:36 < jadew> had to make most of my c++ libraries to compile, so I can compile another tool I made in order to extract type information from another project, in order to make hacklang work with it
2017-01-15T01:02:07 < jadew> and once that was done, I realized it's a broken language
2017-01-15T01:02:59 < Steffanx> hacklang as in hacklang.org?
2017-01-15T01:03:05 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-15T01:04:10 < jadew> in strict mode is absolutely pointless, it doesn't leverage the fact that it's running on top of a dynamic language, so it constrains the shit out of you
2017-01-15T01:04:19 < Steffanx> inspired by php much..
2017-01-15T01:04:22 < jadew> you can't do anything dynamic, anything
2017-01-15T01:04:36 < jadew> on top of that, it imposes impossible constraints
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2017-01-15T01:04:58 < jadew> and buggy
2017-01-15T01:05:10 < jadew> for example you have ?mixed $whatever
2017-01-15T01:05:18 < jadew> which means an optional $whatever of type mixed
2017-01-15T01:05:21 < jadew> and you get an error
2017-01-15T01:05:29 < jadew> "?mixed is redundant, use mixed"
2017-01-15T01:05:42 < jadew> you use mixed and then $whatever is no longer optional
2017-01-15T01:07:13 < Steffanx> hehe
2017-01-15T01:08:09 < Steffanx> i never heard about it, until now.
2017-01-15T01:08:23 < jadew> I heard about it last week
2017-01-15T01:09:42 < jadew> now I wish I didn't hehe
2017-01-15T01:14:51 < jadew> LeelooMinai, problem is I have a bunch of code already in PHP, but I'm not happy with it because it's not strongly typed
2017-01-15T01:15:33 < jadew> hacklang seemed to be the answer (and it might still be, but in the future)
2017-01-15T01:16:04 < BrainDamage> it's not just the non strict typing
2017-01-15T01:16:13 < BrainDamage> it's the lack of coherence in data types
2017-01-15T01:16:34 < BrainDamage> on a tangential note: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat 
2017-01-15T01:17:10 < jadew> I know it, very funny
2017-01-15T01:24:23 < jadew> I'm seriously considering to write this website in c++
2017-01-15T01:24:29 < jadew> but that's a huge delay
2017-01-15T01:24:53 < jadew> and I'm already behind schedule and this is not even what I'm supposed to work on
2017-01-15T01:25:08 < jadew> it's just a little something I thought it would be interesting to do over a weekend
2017-01-15T01:25:17 < jadew> that was a month and a half ago
2017-01-15T01:25:29 < jadew> (I've been at it full time since then)
2017-01-15T01:25:45 < BrainDamage> if it doesn't have to have dynamic componen, just get af templating engine and spit out some html
2017-01-15T01:26:30 < jadew> it's doing a lot of communication with the client side and I wanted to have the messages typed
2017-01-15T01:27:14 < jadew> they're fairly complex so it's easy to screw up
2017-01-15T01:28:16 < BrainDamage> I can't offer any more help than more mocking links about webdev
2017-01-15T01:28:30 < BrainDamage> https://hackernoon.com/how-it-feels-to-learn-javascript-in-2016-d3a717dd577f
2017-01-15T01:29:46 < jadew> it's crazy but, js is getting used more an more these days
2017-01-15T01:30:30 < Steffanx> imagine what that website would look like without a ton of javascript BrainDamage.
2017-01-15T01:31:01 < Steffanx> the about of js is actually scary, .. or is that on purpose.
2017-01-15T01:31:26 < Steffanx> ( mainly json, but ... => javascript )
2017-01-15T01:31:47 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: I have js off and it doesn't load pics
2017-01-15T01:32:00 < BrainDamage> but the text is formatted ok
2017-01-15T01:32:23 < BrainDamage> and there's no title bar wobbling with it off, which I'd consider a bonus actually
2017-01-15T01:32:43 < BrainDamage> andno "share" widgets
2017-01-15T01:33:13 < BrainDamage> now, I have js on normally, I'm not an extremist
2017-01-15T01:33:31 < BrainDamage> doesn't mean tough that I won't reckognize that it's abused as the norm
2017-01-15T01:34:01 < jadew> Steffanx, what did you mean on the second line? I think you changed you mind mid-sentence
2017-01-15T01:34:35 < jadew> BrainDamage, it's getting abused where it shouldn't
2017-01-15T01:34:36 < Steffanx> about  = amount, just spelled wrong :p
2017-01-15T01:35:00 < jadew> there are obviously legit uses for it, but mostly it's being used just because it's cool
2017-01-15T01:35:18 < jadew> Steffanx, ah
2017-01-15T01:35:21 < BrainDamage> not because it's cool
2017-01-15T01:35:44 < BrainDamage> it's a mix of incompetence, cargo cult programming, and rushed deadlines
2017-01-15T01:36:04 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/SZPjHwz.jpg
2017-01-15T01:36:43 < jadew> I have an acquaintance who looks just like that
2017-01-15T01:37:40 < Thorn> not sure if my debugging abilities are really good or really bad. spent 2 hours chasing an impossible bug in my dwc_otg driver. it was a missing volatile
2017-01-15T01:38:32 < jadew> noob mistake
2017-01-15T01:38:35 < Steffanx> just imagine it could have taken you two days..
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2017-01-15T01:39:46 < BrainDamage> if I were to use my browser extensions block count as an index to measure a web page's quality, I'd buy a shotgun and move to a cabin in the woods and live of hunting
2017-01-15T01:39:50 < jadew> the problem with such issues is that you're not likely to catch them if you re-read the code
2017-01-15T01:44:35 < Thorn> gcc puts vtables into .rodata 
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2017-01-15T02:34:48 < upgrdman> so FFTs are usually calc'd up to their nyquist frequency, which makes sense. but why dont they start at their rayleigh frequency since they cant accurately resolve below that?
2017-01-15T02:37:31 < Thorn> what about the DC component
2017-01-15T02:38:20 < upgrdman> well ok but why does FFTs mark the sub-rayleigh region as uncertain then?
2017-01-15T02:38:27 < upgrdman> im not complaining, just trying to understand
2017-01-15T02:38:33 < upgrdman> s/does/dont
2017-01-15T02:39:39 < BrainDamage> the ffts are calculated in bins, not frequency
2017-01-15T02:39:55 < upgrdman> well ya
2017-01-15T02:40:01 < BrainDamage> you map the bins to the frequeny from the sampling params
2017-01-15T02:40:13 < upgrdman> but those lower bins are below the rayleigh freq
2017-01-15T02:40:29 < BrainDamage> yes, and they are still necessary to be calculated depending on the alg
2017-01-15T02:40:51 < BrainDamage> eg on cooley tuckey you'd need to calcualte 90% of the workflow for the low freq bins
2017-01-15T02:41:54 < BrainDamage> if you're interested only on a finite amount, use goertzel or similar algos
2017-01-15T02:42:07 < BrainDamage> fft map the whole space at once
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2017-01-15T03:36:45 < dongs> hello dongs
2017-01-15T03:39:23 < PeterM> hows the glorious nippon winter treating you dongs? its not super cold in the south ey?
2017-01-15T03:42:11 < dongs> 3C here
2017-01-15T03:42:20 < dongs> expecting snow sometime this week maybe
2017-01-15T03:42:31 < dongs> hm mno
2017-01-15T03:42:36 < dongs> looks like its gonna go back up.
2017-01-15T03:42:40 < dongs> missed opportunity
2017-01-15T03:43:57 < PeterM> thats a bit cooler than i expected, still not too bad
2017-01-15T03:44:22 < PeterM> i guess you'd prefer that to the 43.5C i had here on friday
2017-01-15T03:45:23 < dongs> deinitely
2017-01-15T03:45:26 < dongs> +f
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2017-01-15T03:54:51 < dongs> where's R2BRO
2017-01-15T03:55:02 < dongs> is there something like stdperiphlib for sam3x stuff
2017-01-15T03:55:11 < dongs> i dont want to use tarduino for obvious reasons
2017-01-15T03:56:26 < dongs> ah theres libsam looks like
2017-01-15T03:56:28 < dongs> maybe thats what i need
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2017-01-15T05:00:54 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-01-15T05:01:00 < dongs> mouser mailed me a check
2017-01-15T05:01:03 < dongs> for $38
2017-01-15T05:01:40 < aandrew> nice
2017-01-15T05:01:47 < dongs> 'dear mouser customer, blablabla, a recent review of our record indicates that there is an outstanding credit on your account, for your convenience we enclosed a check to refund the credit
2017-01-15T05:04:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/YlGUqkO.jpg even this shit is a form letter
2017-01-15T05:05:24 < dongs> i wonder when they overcharged me and for what
2017-01-15T05:10:09 < aandrew> how's delivery to .jp with mouser compared to the us?
2017-01-15T05:10:29 < aandrew> I don't order from anyone but digikey unless there's a DAMN good reason because it's always here next day
2017-01-15T05:10:38 < dongs> order friday, receive monday evening
2017-01-15T05:11:56 < aandrew> what about when you order monday
2017-01-15T05:12:47 < dongs> like friday cuz monday jp is stll sunday usa
2017-01-15T05:19:45 < dongs>  EFC_RC_NOT_SUPPORT = 0xFFFFFFFF//!< Operation is not supported
2017-01-15T05:19:48 < dongs> uh.
2017-01-15T05:19:55 < dongs> lib\libsam\include/efc.h(65): warning:  #66-D: enumeration value is out of "int" range
2017-01-15T05:22:45 < dongs> hmm.
2017-01-15T05:30:19 < dongs> fuckit just disabling it
2017-01-15T05:30:32 < dongs> default enums are uint in armcc i wonder why its tossing that warning anyway.
2017-01-15T05:35:36 < dongs> looks like libsam is basically same shit as asf but asf is millions of folders nested everywhere
2017-01-15T05:35:43 < dongs> gcc-style
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2017-01-15T05:54:48 < upgrdman> dongs, so the chinese often have to "make up for" holidays by working on a saturday or sunday if monday is a holiday. do fucking japs do that too? wtf kind of holiday is it if you still have to do a 5day week
2017-01-15T05:55:12 < Rob235> read half of free range vhdl and things make so much sense now.  read through a uart example and this shit is easy
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2017-01-15T05:56:32 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah
2017-01-15T05:56:53 < dongs> donno if it ever goes as extreme as sunday work but def saturdays cover for other holidays
2017-01-15T05:57:18 < upgrdman> that sux
2017-01-15T05:57:21 < upgrdman> so glad im white
2017-01-15T05:57:44 < dongs> ya japscat is a joke
2017-01-15T06:52:19 < ohsix> butts
2017-01-15T06:55:27 < ReadError> buttfiends
2017-01-15T06:58:11 < ohsix> https://www.npmjs.com/package/nudity
2017-01-15T07:02:40 < ohsix> upgrdman: fft, when you're talking about phase and shit consider the limit as you approach zero wrt. 'accurately resolve below'
2017-01-15T07:07:00 < ohsix> i guess not even approach zero, just longer time periods
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2017-01-15T07:15:05 < dongs> anyone got a systick-based multiple timers pattern where I can do shit like addtimeout(100, callback) and it happens when needed
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2017-01-15T07:16:02 < ohsix> weren't we just talking shit about javascript today
2017-01-15T07:16:49 < dongs> suppose i could jsut write it but lazy
2017-01-15T07:17:10 < ohsix> insert sort, pop one off
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2017-01-15T07:29:18 < dongs> i suppose i could do somethign smart like sort the timer list so that in systick IRQ i only have to check the top one
2017-01-15T07:29:23 < dongs> or just not care cuz 100mhz+
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2017-01-15T07:40:01 < ReadError> ohsix: seen any rls of sneaky pete?
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2017-01-15T08:17:26 < ohsix> yea from last year
2017-01-15T08:17:44 < ohsix> was cleaning up torrent client and i forgot about it
2017-01-15T08:18:22 < ohsix> oh
2017-01-15T08:18:27 < ohsix> just the pilot from 2015
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2017-01-15T08:26:44 < dongs> dongs
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2017-01-15T08:51:59 < upgrdman> does c have a way to so lambda-ish shit? like if a function's argument is a function pointer, can you define that function in the function call?
2017-01-15T08:52:24 < ohsix> you can put the type for the pointer that is a function but that's not a lambda
2017-01-15T08:52:54 < ohsix> what would the function accepting the pointer do? might be a closure not really a lambda
2017-01-15T08:53:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, like register an event handler
2017-01-15T08:53:12 < dongs> upgrdman: wut
2017-01-15T08:53:23 < ohsix> like atexit does?
2017-01-15T08:53:52 < dongs> no event handler is a pointer you cant just do setcallback({ do_stuff(); lol++; })
2017-01-15T08:54:00 < ohsix> a lambda makes a function a first class object, so you wouldn't even necessarily have a C type for it but some kind of other thing to send parameters
2017-01-15T08:54:01 < dongs> (if thats what youre tyrying to do
2017-01-15T08:54:18 < dongs> you can define fuciton pointer in the prototype if you dont wanna typedef it but thats retarded too
2017-01-15T08:55:02 < ReadError> ohsix: they ended up making it
2017-01-15T08:55:05 < upgrdman> dongs, like imagine a function like this: void registerHandler(void (*handler)(void)); .... could your main.c do something like: registerHandler(void {doSomething(); doSomethingElse()});
2017-01-15T08:55:13 < ReadError> just not seen the rls on my site yet
2017-01-15T08:55:30 < ohsix> upgrdman: gcc has nested functions,  but it still doesn't do that
2017-01-15T08:55:40 < ohsix> there's some crap in boost, y ou could check out the contortions they have there
2017-01-15T08:55:48 < dongs> upgrdman: basically wat i just asid and no
2017-01-15T08:56:03 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-15T08:56:05 < ohsix> all that syntax (if you can call it that) gets you, is anonymous functions
2017-01-15T08:56:18 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya thats all i want i guess. anon funcs
2017-01-15T08:56:23 < ohsix> and instead you get to name them in the body of something else
2017-01-15T08:56:47 < ohsix> there's some google hits on 'gcc anonymous functions'
2017-01-15T08:57:34 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_function#GCC
2017-01-15T08:57:53 < ohsix> kind of gross
2017-01-15T08:58:13 < dongs> go back to java you fucking faggot holy shit
2017-01-15T08:58:27 < ohsix> i think nested functions kind of get you most of the way there, if at least the handler goes with the event, and you wouldn't want to register it elsewhere
2017-01-15T08:58:49 < ohsix> anonymous functions kind of imply the 'not elsewhere',  but you can end up with the same function body
2017-01-15T08:59:17 < ohsix> i wish gcc would do the gcd / blocks stuff, it's neat
2017-01-15T08:59:52 < ohsix> basically you can throw blocks at GCD which is a big work queue
2017-01-15T09:00:39 < ohsix> it's neat cuz you can apply power policy to it and shit, also what is dispatched the most is usually what you're interacting with, but it is still scheduled with other idle work
2017-01-15T09:00:57 < ohsix> so you also get good utilization at a given power level
2017-01-15T09:01:36 < ohsix> ReadError: ep2 of taboo
2017-01-15T09:01:54 < ohsix> man i hope workaholics is obviously bad enough early on this year so i can stop watching it, last season sucked so bad
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2017-01-15T09:06:50 < stvn> crt
2017-01-15T09:07:11 < ohsix> time to get your name back bruh
2017-01-15T09:14:31 < dongs> #define DACC_ID             ID_DACC
2017-01-15T09:14:36 < dongs> ASF is awesome
2017-01-15T09:15:47 < stvn> looks great
2017-01-15T09:17:28 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ya i know cpp has it
2017-01-15T09:20:35 < upgrdman> lolwut  https://streamable.com/zqkzf
2017-01-15T09:20:51 < dongs> Program Size: Code=728 RO-data=276 RW-data=4 ZI-data=516  
2017-01-15T09:20:53 < dongs> that looks awfully small
2017-01-15T09:23:07 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul that's hardly all a wedding
2017-01-15T09:23:17 < ohsix> they let a downs kid do it near the end
2017-01-15T09:24:03 < ohsix> ReadError: oh god jersey mikes ad
2017-01-15T09:24:12 < ohsix> fcugughk this show aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2017-01-15T09:27:32 < ReadError> dont be so sensitive about it
2017-01-15T09:32:26 < ohsix> it's an obvious non-funny thing that makes the other shit obviously not funny
2017-01-15T09:32:35 < ohsix> suspension of disbelief yo
2017-01-15T09:33:17 < ohsix> moreover i'm never going to eat or use any of the brands they mention
2017-01-15T09:33:20 < ohsix> i'm not 12 anymore
2017-01-15T09:33:38 < ohsix> i ate at jersey mikes once, only because some gentoo asshole was buying me lunch, it was all awful
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2017-01-15T09:34:44 < ohsix> dane cook and carl's jr coupons
2017-01-15T09:35:17 < ohsix> andrew puzder as labor secretary
2017-01-15T09:36:39 < ohsix> it was pretty funny to find out the gentoo people irl are going to waste my time too
2017-01-15T09:36:46 < ohsix> ~worth it
2017-01-15T09:37:39 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol. i remember trying and using gentoo in like 2002 or something
2017-01-15T09:38:12 < upgrdman> was so much faster than mandrake. but more annoying too :)
2017-01-15T09:40:46 < ohsix> hur
2017-01-15T09:41:04 < ohsix> i know someone still using mandrake, at least as of 2 years ago
2017-01-15T09:41:17 < ohsix> things ar egoing to be faster when you do less
2017-01-15T09:41:54 < ohsix> having to rebuild everything for toolchain changes, and when, oh, actually i need that feature! sucks
2017-01-15T09:41:57 < dongs> gamergate didnt exist in 2002 or else it would have been renamed to womandrake or xirdrake 
2017-01-15T09:42:14 < ohsix> also the existential question
2017-01-15T09:42:28 < ohsix> is this computer even doing useful work, or am i just doing busy work rebuilding everything all the time
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2017-01-15T09:48:06 < dongs> hm neat.
2017-01-15T09:48:18 < dongs> that 700byte thing runs
2017-01-15T09:48:31 < dongs> and initializes DAC and outputs stuff
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2017-01-15T09:52:21 < dongs> ASF documentation is perfect example why doxygen is garbage
2017-01-15T09:52:32 < dongs> its a lot of documentation, but thats it.
2017-01-15T09:52:36 < dongs> there's no actual USEFUL documentation
2017-01-15T09:52:43 < dongs> hey R2COM im trying to use ASF and its garbage, what a surprise
2017-01-15T09:53:00 < upgrdman> asf?
2017-01-15T09:53:07 < dongs> atmel's stdperiph attempt
2017-01-15T09:53:08 < upgrdman> that old video codec from xp era?
2017-01-15T09:53:11 < upgrdman> o
2017-01-15T09:53:11 < dongs> but 10000000000000000x more awful
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2017-01-15T09:57:31 < zyp> dongs, doxygen is just a tool; put shit in, get shit out
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2017-01-15T10:14:28 < dongs> zyp, people use it to generate shit, and call it 'documentation'
2017-01-15T10:21:45 < dongs> so it looks like sam3 pins are all high ?? on reset
2017-01-15T10:21:51 < dongs> instead of high-z/ain
2017-01-15T10:21:53 < dongs> whate teh fuck
2017-01-15T10:21:56 < dongs> what a garbage processor
2017-01-15T10:22:12 < zyp> wwat
2017-01-15T10:22:19 < zyp> that doesn't make sense
2017-01-15T10:22:28 < dongs> Reset State:
2017-01-15T10:22:28 < dongs> - PIO Input
2017-01-15T10:22:28 < dongs> - Internal pull-up enabled
2017-01-15T10:22:31 < dongs> all PIO ports
2017-01-15T10:22:32 < dongs> are this
2017-01-15T10:22:34 < dongs> so theyt're all fucking HIGH
2017-01-15T10:22:39 < dongs> pulled up through internal resistors
2017-01-15T10:23:10 < zyp> oh, pull-up
2017-01-15T10:23:22 < dongs> doesnt matter, same thing for all practical purposes
2017-01-15T10:23:33 < zyp> no
2017-01-15T10:23:43 < dongs> enough to drive high pretty much any logic shit
2017-01-15T10:23:45 < dongs> that needs "high" level
2017-01-15T10:23:53 < Jak_o_Shadows1> doxygen is the bare minimum you need. It has handy links to the source code so you can actually see what it's doing.
2017-01-15T10:24:04 < zyp> pulling high isn't harmful when connected to an output, driving high would be
2017-01-15T10:24:11 < jpa-> how strong is the pull-up?
2017-01-15T10:24:13 < dongs> well, leds are on
2017-01-15T10:24:18 < dongs> that are connected directly to pins
2017-01-15T10:24:22 < dongs> i think thats harmful enough
2017-01-15T10:24:27 < dongs> i didnt even initialize those pins.
2017-01-15T10:24:46 < dongs> also reset doesnt seem to reset peripherals
2017-01-15T10:24:56 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows1, source references are apparently optional and often disabled, so that tends to be useless
2017-01-15T10:25:00 < dongs> i set dac outputting 1.2V, and its still outputting even after i erase firmware and reset
2017-01-15T10:25:18 < zyp> haha
2017-01-15T10:25:37 < dongs> what a fucking garbage proc (c) R2COM
2017-01-15T10:27:05 < dongs> ya this dumb board has leds connected through 2N7002K's  and they're all on on startup
2017-01-15T10:27:23 < zyp> oh, well that makes sense
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2017-01-15T10:27:40 < dongs> wouldn't be if the shit was ain
2017-01-15T10:27:44 < zyp> I assume you've not got external pulldowns?
2017-01-15T10:27:55 < dongs> not my board
2017-01-15T10:27:57 < dongs> but yes, none
2017-01-15T10:27:59 < zyp> sure it would
2017-01-15T10:28:00 < dongs> pin to gate.
2017-01-15T10:28:21 < zyp> gates are fucking capacitors, so left floating they are truly undefined
2017-01-15T10:28:54 < zyp> the light outputs on arcin are like that, and with the stm32 in reset, the leds will be on and off at random
2017-01-15T10:28:55 < stvn> threadsafe niggers
2017-01-15T10:29:23 < dongs> ic well, whatever. also pin documentation in datasheet fucking blows
2017-01-15T10:29:34 < dongs> i'm glad im using STM32
2017-01-15T10:29:36 < dongs> and not this shit
2017-01-15T10:29:38 < dongs> day to day
2017-01-15T10:30:03 < dongs> like you wanna know whats on PB13 on STM right
2017-01-15T10:30:13 < dongs> thats like 1 click in ctrl+f in datasheet
2017-01-15T10:31:02 < dongs> and in that one click I'll know pin, portX and all alt functions
2017-01-15T10:31:20 < dongs> fagotmel shit has pin -> PortX reference in one table, and peripheral list in another like 100 pages away
2017-01-15T10:31:23 < dongs> fuckin why
2017-01-15T10:31:54 < zyp> but is it as bad as nxp?
2017-01-15T10:32:04 < dongs> donno, lucky enough to not have touched that
2017-01-15T10:32:16 < jadew> g++... warning: 'rcc::ring_buffer<std::__cxx11::basic_string<unsigned char> >::m_max_size' will be initialized after [-Wreorder]
2017-01-15T10:32:28 < jadew> that's all the info it gives, it's going to be initialized after
2017-01-15T10:32:41 < zyp> jadew, wrong order of initializers in constructor
2017-01-15T10:32:46 < dongs> i'll i nitialize your shit... later.
2017-01-15T10:32:50 < jadew> ah ha!
2017-01-15T10:32:55 < stvn> stm32 is best 32
2017-01-15T10:32:55 < jadew> zyp: thanks
2017-01-15T10:33:36 < zyp> structs are supposed to be initialized top to bottom, so it complains if you violate that, or some shit
2017-01-15T10:33:50 < jadew> yeah, makes sense
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2017-01-15T10:34:06 < jadew> it's just that the error message is extremely vague
2017-01-15T10:34:46 < stvn> like oop
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2017-01-15T10:40:17 < zyp> LeelooMinai, «Warn if a class type has a base or a field whose type uses the anonymous namespace or depends on a type with no linkage. If a type A depends on a type B with no or internal linkage, defining it in multiple translation units would be an ODR violation because the meaning of B is different in each translation unit. If A only appears in a single translation unit, the best way to silence the warning 
2017-01-15T10:40:23 < zyp> is to give it internal linkage by putting it in an anonymous namespace as well.»
2017-01-15T10:41:32 < zyp> so some of your inner types doesn't have external linkage, it seems
2017-01-15T10:44:20 < zyp> «The compiler doesn't give this warning for types defined in the main .C file, as those are unlikely to have multiple definitions.»
2017-01-15T10:44:42 < zyp> so just name your file main and it should go away, it seems
2017-01-15T10:45:11 < zyp> or maybe it triggers if the file contains main(), idk
2017-01-15T10:47:23 < zyp> seems to be related to «using» on partial types
2017-01-15T10:47:29 < zyp> or something
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2017-01-15T10:53:34 < zyp> «Because typedef names have no linkage, their definitions can differ between translation units.»
2017-01-15T10:53:45 < zyp> so it's probably related to that
2017-01-15T10:54:31 < zyp> and the newer usages of using does the same as typedef
2017-01-15T10:55:51 < zyp> so that's it, you're making new types without linkage by typedeffing template stuff
2017-01-15T10:56:02 < zyp> and making objects with external linkage
2017-01-15T10:56:29 < zyp> so you should probably just mark those objects static so they won't be visible outside the translation unit
2017-01-15T10:59:04 < zyp> weird rules though, I don't really get why it makes sense to account for conflicting typedefs in multiple translation units
2017-01-15T10:59:30 < zyp> that sounds about as useful as accounting for a struct being declared with different layouts in multiple translation units
2017-01-15T11:00:21 < zyp> oh, wait, I get it
2017-01-15T11:00:28 < jpa-> it does cause very funny bugs when it happens
2017-01-15T11:00:32 < zyp> you have a definition, not a declaration
2017-01-15T11:00:49 < zyp> you have the typedef in the same file as the definition
2017-01-15T11:01:49 < zyp> you can't have the definition in multiple translation units as that would make symbol conflicts, but the symbol also have external linkage so it's visible externally
2017-01-15T11:02:25 < zyp> but you can't get the type of it without including the file that you can't include, since the typedef is in the same file
2017-01-15T11:03:08 < zyp> sure
2017-01-15T11:04:02 < zyp> so what the compiler is telling you is that it doesn't make sense to have an externally visible definition with a type declared in the same file
2017-01-15T11:04:35 < zyp> so the fix is to make the definition itself anonymous
2017-01-15T11:04:48 < zyp> either mark everything static or wrap it in an anonymous namespace
2017-01-15T11:06:07 < zyp> that's the lazy solution
2017-01-15T11:06:52 < zyp> what error?
2017-01-15T11:07:21 < zyp> sure, but that's not what the warning is about
2017-01-15T11:07:56 < zyp> the warning is about the potential for accessing that symbol from a different translation unit through a conflicting type declaration
2017-01-15T11:08:26 < zyp> since the other translation unit doesn't have access to the original type declaration, since including it would cause a symbol conflict
2017-01-15T11:08:47 < ohsix> buh
2017-01-15T11:10:13 < ohsix> aww dang, watching snl, felicity jones isn't very good
2017-01-15T11:11:08 < zyp> and with one unit, symbol visibility outside that unit is also pointless
2017-01-15T11:12:28 < stvn> saleae advertisements now targeting me
2017-01-15T11:14:10 < zyp> why not just wrap everything in an anonymous namespace and be on your way then?
2017-01-15T11:14:55 < dongs> < zyp> why not just use C
2017-01-15T11:14:57 < dongs> problem solved
2017-01-15T11:15:17 < dongs> o6 cant be C++ expert, arguing wiht leelooman?
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2017-01-15T11:15:37 < zyp> dongs, yeah
2017-01-15T11:15:37 < stvn> good times on stm32
2017-01-15T11:16:16 < zyp> dongs, and yeah, that would also solve the problem, the warning in question is C++ only
2017-01-15T11:17:28 < dongs> haha
2017-01-15T11:18:27 < zyp> dongs, how's chinaparts and other stuff you'll be invoicing me for? 
2017-01-15T11:19:53 < ohsix> i was c++ expert long enough :[
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2017-01-15T11:28:49 < dongs> zyp, will submit monday and disappear for 2 days
2017-01-15T11:30:03 < stvn> can i buy some too
2017-01-15T11:33:08 < dongs> ugh
2017-01-15T11:33:19 < dongs> these morons hooked up a 25V piezo to 3.3V
2017-01-15T11:33:25 < dongs> can barely fucking even hear it
2017-01-15T11:33:28 < dongs> at max amplitude
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2017-01-15T11:34:49 < stvn> china friends?
2017-01-15T11:36:26 < zyp> dongs, ah, okay
2017-01-15T11:38:01 < zyp> dongs, when do you think you've got time to assemble the LL boards? bossman will probably want a time estimate next time I talk to him
2017-01-15T11:38:40 < dongs> well, parts this weekend-ish, so around then
2017-01-15T11:40:24 < zyp> so assembly in a week, and then another for shipping, so he'll have stuff in week 5 or so
2017-01-15T11:40:38 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'm not in the US, so that shouldn't affect me at all
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2017-01-15T11:41:15 < dongs> what about US lol
2017-01-15T11:41:17 < dongs> postal service strike?
2017-01-15T11:41:23 < zyp> 10:39:58 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I wonder what you will do when they block imports from China or tax them or something like that.
2017-01-15T11:41:40 < dongs> al typical anti-trumpet rage
2017-01-15T11:41:55 < ohsix> leeloo likes trump?
2017-01-15T11:42:00 < ohsix> </baiting>
2017-01-15T11:42:11 < ohsix> the only baiting that doesn't exercise your arm
2017-01-15T11:42:52 < PeterM>  yerp, your a cucknadian
2017-01-15T11:43:59 < PeterM> not if the lable is  a caution: fragile lable
2017-01-15T11:44:22 < ohsix> fragile labia
2017-01-15T11:45:02 < ohsix> blah
2017-01-15T11:45:51 < PeterM>  im pretty sure thats p[eople whop get the hand held thermo lablers
2017-01-15T11:48:28 < stvn> lol
2017-01-15T11:48:50 < stvn> we already built the wall /ignore
2017-01-15T11:51:49 < ohsix> i'm making LeelooMinai pay for it
2017-01-15T11:52:19 < ohsix> analogy holds
2017-01-15T11:56:18 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2MCa0jVEAAHoDT.jpg:large
2017-01-15T12:03:04 < ReadError> lol block imports from china
2017-01-15T12:03:13 < ReadError> that'll never happen
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2017-01-15T12:13:09 < dongs> if I SysTick_Config() hardcoding the freuqnect to 84M/1000 (1kHz), and sysclk is wrong, blinking led tehre would not be at 1khz, yea?
2017-01-15T12:14:06 < ohsix> no? good question tho
2017-01-15T12:15:44 < c4017> how do I make altium ignore silkscreen outlines overlapping?
2017-01-15T12:15:55 < dongs> drc options
2017-01-15T12:15:58 < dongs> disable that shit
2017-01-15T12:16:09 < c4017> cant find it
2017-01-15T12:16:20 < c4017> is it a clearnece option?
2017-01-15T12:16:29 < dongs> D-R, manufacturing
2017-01-15T12:16:40 < dongs> and uncheck silk to silk clerance, silk to solder mask, etc
2017-01-15T12:16:43 < dongs> those are fucking useless
2017-01-15T12:16:48 < c4017> ah nice
2017-01-15T12:16:53 < dongs> minimum solder mask sliver, too
2017-01-15T12:17:00 < dongs> if you open that subtree, you can just uncheck them all
2017-01-15T12:17:03 < dongs> instead of setting to zero
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2017-01-15T12:28:13 < dongs> wow terrible DAC trigger options
2017-01-15T12:28:25 < dongs> what the fuck, no wonder nobody actually uses this shit except arduino fags
2017-01-15T12:28:31 < ohsix> would you say that it is bad
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2017-01-15T12:33:17 < dongs> even atmel samples are retarded. they're doing sinewave output with dac, and the frequency is set by SystIck frequency. so to get like 2khz, they're doing sysclk / 2000 * num_samples
2017-01-15T12:33:29 < dongs> so systick ends up firing every fucking 420 cycles
2017-01-15T12:33:33 < dongs> what hte fuck, so dumb
2017-01-15T12:33:55 < dongs> why would you demo your shit hardware by writing the worst example code possible
2017-01-15T13:08:27 < ReadError> c4017: save ur drc once you get it non-retarded
2017-01-15T13:08:33 < ReadError> cuz it resets w/ every new board
2017-01-15T13:10:54 < c4017> can I export and import it or somethin?
2017-01-15T13:13:58 < dongs> yes
2017-01-15T13:14:00 < dongs> bottom left corner
2017-01-15T13:14:14 < dongs> or rather
2017-01-15T13:14:17 < dongs> right click top of hte tree
2017-01-15T13:14:21 < dongs> and export
2017-01-15T13:14:33 < ReadError> think you can rightclick the top of hte tree too
2017-01-15T13:14:54 < dongs> no, itwas that, i thought there was a dropdown export button in lwoer left but i dont see it in a17 and im not gonna look for it
2017-01-15T13:14:57 < dongs> right click works
2017-01-15T13:16:29 < ReadError> did the fix the drc sperge crash yet
2017-01-15T13:21:42 < dongs> ?
2017-01-15T13:22:51 < ReadError> when routing w/ push-shove
2017-01-15T13:22:58 < ReadError> it freaks out and crashes
2017-01-15T13:23:11 < ReadError> or avoid
2017-01-15T13:23:31 < dongs> works for me
2017-01-15T13:23:43 < dongs> i turned off some thing that was ding it
2017-01-15T13:26:15 < ReadError> what was doing it?
2017-01-15T13:27:57 < dongs> fuck i wish i remember uh... it wasnt drc, it was some highlight/route helping shit
2017-01-15T13:54:06 < stvn> tfw senpai didn't notice
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2017-01-15T14:07:01 < stvn> stm32 yeah?
2017-01-15T14:07:08 < dongs> ATSAM3X8 today
2017-01-15T14:07:21 < ReadError> watchu know bout dat eclipse+openocd+gcc lyfestyle
2017-01-15T14:07:31 < dongs> its aids
2017-01-15T14:07:32 < stvn> sorry to hear dongs
2017-01-15T14:07:51 < stvn> ReadError, i'm livin' the keilstyle
2017-01-15T14:08:11 < ReadError> meh
2017-01-15T14:08:26 < stvn> yeah it's been infected with clangitis
2017-01-15T14:09:28 < stvn> make the arm compiler great again
2017-01-15T14:10:23 < stvn> I'm sure that atmel mcu is better than pic32
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2017-01-15T14:11:23 < dongs> eh
2017-01-15T14:11:41 < stvn> guess once you've sucked one off you've sucked them all
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2017-01-15T14:42:02 < stvn> welcome Laurenceb__ 
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2017-01-15T15:45:03 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: so, have you tried messing with LSE?
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2017-01-15T15:50:45 < Laurenceb___> PaulFertser: no, work project
2017-01-15T15:57:19 < dongs> pretty sure Laurenceb___ tried messing with LSD
2017-01-15T16:03:22 < ReadError> doubt he has the balls to dance with lucy 
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2017-01-15T18:19:02 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEaZyYOLUUk
2017-01-15T18:20:25 < Steffanx> Hi Laurence ;)
2017-01-15T18:20:31 < jadew> haha
2017-01-15T18:27:50 < sync_> ReadError: my invacare uses some kind of round dome shaped o2 sensor
2017-01-15T18:28:01 < sync_> my kröber uses one that is smaller and round
2017-01-15T18:28:04 < sync_> but no part numbers :/
2017-01-15T18:28:26 < ReadError> i found some stuff on ebay, apparently scuba folks
2017-01-15T18:28:33 < ReadError> use some 0-100% one
2017-01-15T18:29:15 < ReadError> but the lifespan o2 sensor doesnt seem to be too long at higher concentrations
2017-01-15T18:29:32 < ReadError> after a few years no good
2017-01-15T18:29:53 < sync_> yes
2017-01-15T18:29:58 < sync_> that is the way it is apparently
2017-01-15T18:31:33 < sync_> I think the invacare uses a fujikura sensor
2017-01-15T18:37:39 < ReadError> price seemed to be like 70-150$ for the sensors
2017-01-15T18:38:20 < ReadError> not many designed to be used pressurized though or thread into stuff
2017-01-15T18:38:54 < zyp> why are everybody going on about o2 sensors lately+
2017-01-15T18:39:05 < ReadError> probably just me
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2017-01-15T20:09:26 < upgrdman> nice mouse trap  https://i.reddituploads.com/891d0ea19d3c42189c7a288665570b78?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=1cb26d10eb6df13b1340bb32222402ce
2017-01-15T20:10:25 < Steffanx> Also a nice heater or what?
2017-01-15T20:12:39 < upgrdman> white is neutral, which is grounded at the panel
2017-01-15T20:13:05 < upgrdman> so should only conduct when a mouse is on it and touches the black wire too
2017-01-15T20:13:47 < kakimir> ir has smell alarm built in
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2017-01-15T20:15:03 < upgrdman> https://media4.giphy.com/media/oQ5lEHgBxNVQs/giphy.gif
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2017-01-15T21:50:03 < c4017> yes
2017-01-15T21:51:13 < englishman> yes you just select your video card as audio device in windows 10 audio device settings
2017-01-15T21:51:47 < englishman> hdmi does 4k?
2017-01-15T21:52:40 < englishman> if the cable is rated for hdmi 2.0 at 50ft, then 50ft is the length without booster
2017-01-15T21:53:28 < englishman> cuz i didnt know about this new spec with 4k60
2017-01-15T21:53:31 < englishman> pretty new i guess
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2017-01-15T21:53:47 < englishman> usually this stuff is displaydongs
2017-01-15T21:54:17 < englishman> yea i guess
2017-01-15T21:54:28 < englishman> dono i dont watch TV
2017-01-15T21:54:35 < englishman> so i have almost nothing with HDMI
2017-01-15T21:55:19 < englishman> nice
2017-01-15T21:55:24 < englishman> good use of your time and resources
2017-01-15T21:55:59 < englishman> lol
2017-01-15T21:56:19 < englishman> isnt that over etherweb
2017-01-15T21:56:53 < englishman> so youve gone from 144Hz super elite gayming to sending your display over IP packets
2017-01-15T21:57:00 < englishman> right
2017-01-15T21:57:04 < englishman> that sounds like a sensible option
2017-01-15T21:57:12 < englishman> get rid of that dumb steam crap
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2017-01-15T22:00:12 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-ohm-Full-bridge-Strain-Gauge-1000-EB-Foil-Strain-Gauge/121538987104 have you played with these guise?
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2017-01-15T22:06:40 < englishman> id assume anything from steam was heavy on the DRM
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2017-01-15T22:23:21 < ReadError> Most people don't use ethernet anymore
2017-01-15T22:24:00 < ReadError> Few have wireless routers that are fast
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2017-01-16T00:22:45 < kakimir> Laurenceb___: have yo played with openFoam?
2017-01-16T00:22:54 < Laurenceb___> no
2017-01-16T00:22:58 < Laurenceb___> I tried Elmer
2017-01-16T00:23:06 < Laurenceb___> it said "NaN"
2017-01-16T00:23:12 < Laurenceb___> the curse of my life
2017-01-16T00:23:27 < Laurenceb___> is openFoam EM only?
2017-01-16T00:23:53 < kakimir> EM as in?
2017-01-16T00:24:40 < Laurenceb___> Electromagnetic modelling
2017-01-16T00:25:19 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZUNRmwoijw
2017-01-16T00:25:34 < kakimir> followed them related videos to openfoam
2017-01-16T00:25:57 < Laurenceb___> hahah wut
2017-01-16T00:26:02 < Laurenceb___> wait its not a troll?
2017-01-16T00:26:27 < Laurenceb___> I made it far as the Autistic voice and "Richard Dawkins"
2017-01-16T00:26:38 < kakimir> not trolling
2017-01-16T00:26:54 < kakimir> interesting wind turbine wing developin
2017-01-16T00:27:14 < kakimir> you just relate in autistic stuff too much Laurenceb___ 
2017-01-16T00:27:36 < kakimir> see trolling in everything
2017-01-16T00:29:12 < Laurenceb___> I live the troll life
2017-01-16T00:29:24 < Laurenceb___> but this video does look like a massive troll
2017-01-16T00:29:29 < kakimir> it started with friend talking about an old wind mill his dad made out of halved oil barrels or so
2017-01-16T00:29:41 < kakimir> didn't connect it to anything
2017-01-16T00:30:16 < kakimir> because the turbine is the cheap fun part
2017-01-16T00:30:18 < Laurenceb___> he sounds like Temple OS guy
2017-01-16T00:31:15 < kakimir> then I figured I can get gearbox induction motors from industry waste for free
2017-01-16T00:31:56 < Laurenceb___> 20 minutes per iteration O_o
2017-01-16T00:32:00 < kakimir> then found that the halved barrel isn't the best design
2017-01-16T00:32:00 < Laurenceb___> this could take decades
2017-01-16T00:32:23 < kakimir> Laurenceb___: he has cheap simulations and the accurate ones
2017-01-16T00:33:00 < Laurenceb___> lul the blades are racist
2017-01-16T00:33:12 < Laurenceb___> this gets more trolltastic as it goes on
2017-01-16T00:33:16 < kakimir> because.. white?
2017-01-16T00:33:27 < Laurenceb___> hate to think how long it took to run
2017-01-16T00:33:55 < kakimir> just run those in some school dorm room using free electricity
2017-01-16T00:35:08 < Laurenceb___> lul 2 weeks
2017-01-16T00:35:39 < kakimir> well it's nothing
2017-01-16T00:35:50 < kakimir> you can run it for like a year
2017-01-16T00:36:06 < kakimir> to get the most difficult to make blade out of it
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2017-01-16T00:38:28 < kakimir> I think the sheet type of blade must have been optimized to max already
2017-01-16T00:38:40 < kakimir> lanz2
2017-01-16T00:39:12 < kakimir> so I figured what to use wind electricity for Laurenceb___ 
2017-01-16T00:39:24 < Laurenceb___> ok, what
2017-01-16T00:39:32 < kakimir> having converter, batteries, inverter all that crap costs shit
2017-01-16T00:39:40 < kakimir> *Charger
2017-01-16T00:40:25 < kakimir> have a heating element that can output everything the generator outputs
2017-01-16T00:40:54 < kakimir> have mco controlled load optimizing with triac to optimize rotation speed
2017-01-16T00:41:01 < kakimir> that's all
2017-01-16T00:41:18 < kakimir> heat water in the boiler and heat air directly
2017-01-16T00:42:01 < kakimir> also have normal electricity to applicances and heating
2017-01-16T00:43:04 < kakimir> so wind mill just dumps heat in building
2017-01-16T00:43:21 < kakimir> heating elements are cheap as bread
2017-01-16T00:43:30 < kakimir> one triac to control it
2017-01-16T00:44:05 < kakimir> or is it too old fashioned to go such easy way
2017-01-16T00:45:44 < kakimir> also limit power with triac when it's storm
2017-01-16T00:46:19 < kakimir> what do you think Laurenceb___ 
2017-01-16T00:46:54 < Laurenceb___> I think load optimising is a good idea
2017-01-16T00:47:01 < Laurenceb___> dunno about how to do it best tho
2017-01-16T00:47:17 < kakimir> easy way have seperate wind speed meter
2017-01-16T00:47:27 < kakimir> then have some table
2017-01-16T00:47:48 < kakimir> hard way use the thing as wind speed meter
2017-01-16T00:49:40 < Laurenceb___> yeah
2017-01-16T00:50:38 < kakimir> I just need to know one thing to decide if build one or not some day
2017-01-16T00:50:53 < kakimir> the size of thing when I want 1kw out of 3m/s
2017-01-16T00:51:29 < kakimir> *4m/s maybe
2017-01-16T00:52:48 < kakimir> so that if there is posibility to build it out og scraps and if the base can be sensible in size and weight
2017-01-16T00:53:00 < kakimir> to be able to install it
2017-01-16T01:00:14 < kakimir> but mainly that if scraps available are suitable
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2017-01-16T01:08:09 < kakimir> hmm interesting pile of s..
2017-01-16T01:08:12 < kakimir> software
2017-01-16T01:08:54 < kakimir> there is virtual machine, docker, linux in docker and maybe the software itself
2017-01-16T01:09:18 < kakimir> *..oftware
2017-01-16T01:10:00 < ReadError> wtf you talking about
2017-01-16T01:11:21 < kakimir> there is levels of virtualization
2017-01-16T01:11:34 < kakimir> and dockers
2017-01-16T01:11:48 < kakimir> and linux
2017-01-16T01:12:47 < ReadError> docker isnt really virtualization 
2017-01-16T01:12:56 < kakimir> I know
2017-01-16T01:13:06 < kakimir> but it intalled virtual box too
2017-01-16T01:13:52 < ReadError> vmware workstation
2017-01-16T01:13:56 < kakimir> I need a day or two to even open open this
2017-01-16T01:13:56 < ReadError> no exceptions 
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2017-01-16T01:20:04 < kakimir> some bullshit happens when I click start it tries to get ip for virtualbox network adapter and hangs and it should be command line 
2017-01-16T01:20:18 < kakimir> tool anyway looks simple in linu
2017-01-16T01:22:34 < ReadError> there should be cli for all options 
2017-01-16T01:26:29 < kakimir> but when it's buried under these levels I don't even know where to start
2017-01-16T01:28:45 < kakimir> oh this virtualbox network thing it hangs to might be actually for contacting virtual machine server that isn't there
2017-01-16T01:28:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, heh, fwiw: i used that jizz gel to clean my monitor. the power and OSD keys are capactive touch. turns out the jizz gel left a residue that was fucking them. monitor would turn off randomly as if i touched the power button. wiped the cap touch buttons with windex+paper towel and problem went away.
2017-01-16T01:29:16 < kakimir> #jizz32
2017-01-16T01:29:21 < upgrdman> indeed
2017-01-16T01:30:03 < kakimir> I don't even want to know if it was actual thing upgrdman 
2017-01-16T01:30:19 < upgrdman> kakimir, "cleaning putty" on ebay
2017-01-16T01:30:23 < upgrdman> no jizz involved
2017-01-16T01:30:27 < upgrdman> (hopefully)
2017-01-16T01:31:12 < upgrdman> i got some yellow stuff. i imagine china was like "we have this pot of waste cadmium. what do we do?" ... "have the village elders ejaculate into the pot. we'll boil it down and market it as cleaning putty on ebay."
2017-01-16T01:33:17 < kakimir> I took keaboard into pieces and washed everything but PCB and cable
2017-01-16T01:33:29 < englishman> personally i like to use 120 grit polishing compound to clean my monitor
2017-01-16T01:33:36 < englishman> and an orbital buffer
2017-01-16T01:33:42 < sync_> only 120 grit?
2017-01-16T01:34:08 < ReadError> I had someone pray a spider out of my monitor 
2017-01-16T01:34:15 < ReadError> prayer cleans all
2017-01-16T01:34:33 < sync_> I usually like to start with 12 grit and then work my way up
2017-01-16T01:34:37 < sync_> maybe you mistyped englishman
2017-01-16T01:34:57 < englishman> german time-saving method
2017-01-16T01:35:22 < upgrdman> wtf is polaroid coating
2017-01-16T01:35:26 < upgrdman> antiglare?
2017-01-16T01:35:34 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SNtdi4PT/IMG_1487.mov
2017-01-16T01:35:40 < ReadError> check this out :)
2017-01-16T01:35:55 < sync_> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nHV_ySbmYV8/TA2GQ2wAXJI/AAAAAAAAB_Q/dg9w0xVZ5HQ/s1600/P1010593.JPG
2017-01-16T01:36:18 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZVckIqm2/IMG_1489.JPG
2017-01-16T01:36:27 < upgrdman> nice
2017-01-16T01:36:32 < ReadError> i thought i was tripping at first
2017-01-16T01:36:36 < ReadError> or got a virus 
2017-01-16T01:37:11 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, hoods are still a thing for vfx faggots
2017-01-16T01:37:14 < upgrdman> but wtf is a coating
2017-01-16T01:37:23 < sync_> I remember the the copper mesh scams
2017-01-16T01:37:24 < kakimir> is grid sizes even from imperial units?
2017-01-16T01:37:47 < kakimir> like point something calibers in fire weapons
2017-01-16T01:37:48 < ReadError> ehsyz/
2017-01-16T01:37:49 < sync_> yes
2017-01-16T01:37:50 < ReadError> what
2017-01-16T01:37:51 < sync_> http://www.washingtonmills.com/guides/grit-sizes-ansi/particle-size-conversion-chart-ansi/
2017-01-16T01:39:18 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, so an antiglare coating. fine. but "polaroid coating" doesnt mean shit. coatings can be for a variety of reasons
2017-01-16T01:39:49 < upgrdman> i know
2017-01-16T01:39:58 < upgrdman> and  they make a variety of coatings
2017-01-16T01:43:13 < sync_> oh god, people still using crts in 06
2017-01-16T01:44:53 < upgrdman> we still have two CRTs at work. one for a win95 pc, and one for a dos pc
2017-01-16T01:51:52 < upgrdman> lol. one of my youtube viewers commented "This is really good stuff,i'm a beginner in Java, and i'm very interested in this type of programming,could you make some video about Serial Communication between some other controllers and Java,some PLC controller maybe,like Simens or Schneider .I would appreciate it very much,if not maybe you could  give some recommendation to some website or other video where i can learn things like that." ..
2017-01-16T01:51:53 < upgrdman> . wtf. i wonder what kinda quality work he'll do with a PLC. maybe this is why stuxnet worked.
2017-01-16T01:52:34 < upgrdman> aren't PLCs expensive? how is that ardutard dicking with one.
2017-01-16T01:55:52 < sync_> upgrdman: they are expensive but in automation you throw them into machines all the time so it doesn't really matter
2017-01-16T01:56:02 < sync_> and usually it is faster to pop a plc in than to do something custom
2017-01-16T01:58:55 < sync_> But they have to have something srs if they program them in java
2017-01-16T02:01:12 < upgrdman> k
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2017-01-16T02:43:32 < stvn> crt
2017-01-16T02:45:47 < stvn> good morning brother Steffan
2017-01-16T02:50:17 < stvn> dongle, <Loshki> irc seems to be a popular medium among autists and aspies.
2017-01-16T02:58:20 < dongs> thats not news
2017-01-16T02:58:32 < stvn> Time to find out if my $50 Ulink2 is a chingy fake
2017-01-16T02:58:49 < dongs> it is if it was $50
2017-01-16T02:59:50 < stvn> silkscreen looks legit
2017-01-16T03:01:41 < stvn> looks more real than fake
2017-01-16T03:01:51 < stvn> judging by a utoob vid
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2017-01-16T03:03:43 < stvn> hmmmm
2017-01-16T03:06:48 < stvn> success with firmware update
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2017-01-16T03:16:04 < stvn> http://imgur.com/a/agRbB
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2017-01-16T03:20:30 < fenugrec> haha, looking for a P6204 active probe turns up some creepy hits - http://www.ebay.ca/itm/FOUND-COLOR-PHOTO-P-6204-LITTLE-GIRL-IN-PAJAMAS-SITTING-ON-FLOOR-BY-EASTER-BASKE-/302188374591
2017-01-16T03:21:14 < stvn> don't wanna click
2017-01-16T03:21:27 < dongs> Laurenceb___ quality link
2017-01-16T03:21:40 < stvn> fucking gloryhole gangsters
2017-01-16T03:21:44 < fenugrec> hahaha well it's ebay, so it's not thaaaaat trashy
2017-01-16T03:21:59 < fenugrec> just some creep selling stranger's kid's photos
2017-01-16T03:22:59 < stvn> http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/133957/fake.jpg
2017-01-16T03:23:54 < dongs> bottom is real?
2017-01-16T03:24:09 < dongs> anything that has that serif font on silkscreen is chink clonez
2017-01-16T03:24:15 < dongs> default font of protel99 or osmeshit
2017-01-16T03:24:17 < dongs> that chinks still use
2017-01-16T03:24:44 < ReadError> https://streamable.com/gtv28?t=26.180584
2017-01-16T03:24:46 < ReadError> beep boop
2017-01-16T03:24:49 < ReadError> check that dongs
2017-01-16T03:25:00 < stvn> dongs, bottom i believe is real
2017-01-16T03:25:21 < stvn> the imgur link i posted before is mine, just like the bottom one
2017-01-16T03:25:37 < fenugrec> gold plating is the giveaway
2017-01-16T03:25:52 < aandrew> holy fuck
2017-01-16T03:26:04 < dongs> stvn: ah cool. maybe legit yea
2017-01-16T03:26:19 < stvn> it is 2nd hand and looks like it was sold by my keil dealer
2017-01-16T03:26:36 < stvn> but still better than paying 1000+ dollarydoos here.
2017-01-16T03:26:37 < aandrew> hm, I may actually have a legit jlink
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2017-01-16T03:26:42 < aandrew> it survived the update without bricking
2017-01-16T03:26:47 < stvn> :>
2017-01-16T03:27:42 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: haha
2017-01-16T03:27:57 < ReadError> ya who the fuck was running safety on that shit
2017-01-16T03:29:55 < sync_> yeah, a lot of people also underestimate the energy stored in rotating devices
2017-01-16T03:30:52 < aandrew> it looks like that particular cage wasn't tall enough, dude's head was above it
2017-01-16T03:31:51 < dongs> zyp: ping
2017-01-16T03:32:20 < sync_> yeah kinda simple, don't stand somewhere where there is a direct trajectory from the source to your face
2017-01-16T03:36:59 < dongs> zyp: beeping furiously
2017-01-16T03:37:39 < sync_> well sure, but a ricochet has lower energy
2017-01-16T03:37:46 < stvn> well i've done my work for today, derailing stonertronics into an aspie discussion forum
2017-01-16T03:38:27 < sync_> sure, but you could have a stroke right now
2017-01-16T03:38:29 < stvn> guess it's back to servicing some more sl-1200s
2017-01-16T03:42:00 < sync_> you never know what your neighbors are doing
2017-01-16T03:43:20 < stvn> true
2017-01-16T03:43:33 < stvn> i suspect the black people across the road are injecting heroin
2017-01-16T03:43:38 < ReadError> canadian rap
2017-01-16T03:43:40 < ReadError> lol 
2017-01-16T03:43:41 < ReadError> 'drake'
2017-01-16T03:43:51 < stvn> they have approximately 3 trillion visitors a day.
2017-01-16T03:44:09 < stvn> so they're either selling drugs or pussy. i suspect drugs
2017-01-16T03:44:23 < ReadError> kardinal offishall
2017-01-16T03:45:42 < aandrew> ... canadian rap? sounds hideous
2017-01-16T03:48:05 < sync_> haha
2017-01-16T03:48:17 < sync_> gotta swag up the wobs
2017-01-16T03:48:50 < englishman> real canadian rap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw36Ta9N7RM
2017-01-16T04:06:29 < stvn> ty 
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2017-01-16T04:17:49 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, "shooting-grade" ear muffs don't attenuate lower frequencies very much. intentionally.
2017-01-16T04:18:05 < upgrdman> e.g. so you can hear people talk
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2017-01-16T04:46:01 < upgrdman> from http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38613488 "It takes cash and assets worth $71,600 to get into the top 10%, and $744,396 to be in the top 1%."   so having $72k of property is top 10%?
2017-01-16T04:46:15 < upgrdman> TIL every homeowner in so cal is the 1%
2017-01-16T04:46:16 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-16T04:53:24 < englishman> did you know fat gabe has more money than dolan trump
2017-01-16T04:53:46 < upgrdman> srsly?
2017-01-16T05:01:37 < aandrew> I want to get those ballistic ear plugs where a gun can go off and you're protected but you can hear someone talking at a normal volume
2017-01-16T05:03:39 < ReadError> upgrdman: ya
2017-01-16T05:03:44 < ReadError> like 800mil more
2017-01-16T05:03:46 < ReadError> or some shit
2017-01-16T05:03:50 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-16T05:05:30 < upgrdman> wuts trumps net worth?
2017-01-16T05:05:48 < ReadError> i thought the numbers where like 4 and 4.8bil\
2017-01-16T05:06:04 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-16T05:06:39 < ReadError> Billy Gates: Net worth: 84.2 billion USD (2017) 
2017-01-16T05:07:03 < ReadError> bill?
2017-01-16T05:08:05 < stvn> gill bates
2017-01-16T05:08:17 < upgrdman> can presidents pardon themselves? or does the next pres need to do that
2017-01-16T05:08:56 < ReadError> well, bill clinton couldnt
2017-01-16T05:08:58 < ReadError> or didnt
2017-01-16T05:11:34 < ohsix> upgrdman: makes sense, that sucks tho
2017-01-16T05:11:52 < ohsix> sounds like yours is basically all used up and is jettisoning solvents
2017-01-16T05:12:06 < ohsix> does it come in a container or anything to keep it from outgassing?
2017-01-16T05:12:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, this was jizz gel #2, new
2017-01-16T05:12:13 < ohsix> o
2017-01-16T05:12:25 < upgrdman> resealable zip lock bag
2017-01-16T05:12:30 < upgrdman> factory heat sealed
2017-01-16T05:12:39 < ohsix> werd
2017-01-16T05:12:49 < ohsix> does it smell like they were both made of the same stuff
2017-01-16T05:12:55 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-16T05:12:59 < upgrdman> very little odor tho
2017-01-16T05:13:13 < ohsix> right, i think i know what it is but i haven't got mine yet
2017-01-16T05:13:39 < ohsix> i found some slide rules a ta thrift shop
2017-01-16T05:13:43 < ohsix> they are pure voodoo
2017-01-16T05:14:01 < stvn> i want my stm32
2017-01-16T05:14:08 < stvn> tectu!
2017-01-16T05:14:17 < ohsix> they were marked 20$ too lolol, the guy that was working at the time said that was dumb, and he gave me a big discount on the books i got, i might go back and try to get them cheap
2017-01-16T05:14:46 < ohsix> some asshole with a sharpie was just going to town putting retarded prices on shit
2017-01-16T05:17:11 < ohsix> i guess i should be thankful he didn't use the sharpie on the slide rules themselves
2017-01-16T05:17:18 < ohsix> thoguh he did trash the leather case from the 40s
2017-01-16T05:19:05 < ohsix> i got one of those loupes with a light on it, they would be awesome with a button instead of a switch D:
2017-01-16T05:19:45 < ReadError> just noticed the nucleo144 has silk labels 
2017-01-16T05:19:55 < ReadError> no mo counting holes to find shit
2017-01-16T05:20:01 < upgrdman> ohsix, this is what i got   http://farrellf.com/temp/cleaning_putty.jpg
2017-01-16T05:20:09 < upgrdman> ingredients are listed on it
2017-01-16T05:20:52 < ohsix> heheh gyu
2017-01-16T05:21:09 < ohsix> interesting, guar and pva
2017-01-16T05:22:19 < ohsix> are the hands in the images really tiny or is it actually huge?
2017-01-16T05:24:14 < upgrdman> ohsix, hands are small, but the blob flattens in your hand too
2017-01-16T05:24:42 < ohsix> flyback: do it already
2017-01-16T05:24:44 < ohsix> h3h
2017-01-16T05:24:55 < upgrdman> hmm but ya the photos looks like 150% of real putty amount. false advertising. we should sue.
2017-01-16T05:25:02 < ohsix> scrap dc motors from washing machines can be used almost directly
2017-01-16T05:25:07 < ReadError> they are asian hands
2017-01-16T05:25:09 < ReadError> what do you expect
2017-01-16T05:26:51 < stvn> i need a DC-DC brick
2017-01-16T05:28:32 < ohsix> http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/bpia5290 loool place a dime in the battery holez
2017-01-16T05:28:48 < ohsix> AIDS
2017-01-16T05:29:09 < ohsix> get bldc motor, put big prop on
2017-01-16T05:29:12 < ohsix> get power
2017-01-16T05:31:39 < dongs> autistic chats
2017-01-16T05:34:33 < stvn> i need a DC-DC brick!
2017-01-16T05:35:02 < ohsix> for what
2017-01-16T05:35:07 < ohsix> 48v?
2017-01-16T05:35:23 < ohsix> go to digikey they have a parametric search that will find you exactly what you need!
2017-01-16T05:35:27 < ohsix> they are expensive!
2017-01-16T05:37:57 < stvn> u wot flyback 
2017-01-16T05:39:17 < stvn> isolated dc/dc is cheaper
2017-01-16T05:41:00 < ohsix> either are fine
2017-01-16T05:41:50 < ohsix> if the generator isn't like 100w and can't run a pump or something, then the part that actually matters is storing the energy
2017-01-16T05:42:49 < ohsix> me at thrift shop: 'cool hp calculator! hope it is rpn!' at home: 'the internet says this is the worst calculator and worst built version hp has ever produced'
2017-01-16T05:42:54 < ohsix> and the display doesn't work right
2017-01-16T05:43:32 < ohsix> and it is heat staked not screwed
2017-01-16T05:44:36 < ohsix> o shi now that i probably have axxs to an injection molding machine (with 9oz shot, which is apparently big) i could make a calculator
2017-01-16T05:48:44 < stvn> http://au.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=0virtualkey0virtualkeyPXD2048S05
2017-01-16T05:49:14 < englishman> flyback is gonna make a wind turbine out of a hard drive to go off grid
2017-01-16T05:49:42 < dongs> < stvn> http://autism.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=0virtualkey0virtualkeyPXD2048S05
2017-01-16T05:50:28 < englishman> is that an audiophile grade dcdc
2017-01-16T05:50:31 < stvn> nah
2017-01-16T05:50:45 < stvn> just got a board with a cooked dc-dc stage with lifted tracks
2017-01-16T05:50:50 < stvn> figured i can stick that in
2017-01-16T06:07:38 < ohsix> this works lul: I wondered whether the 10BII failure might be a similar bonding problem, so I used an X-Acto knife to pierce both ends of the ribbon cable for each trace. When I had finished, the display worked correctly. It passes the self-test.
2017-01-16T06:07:56 < dongs> heh about the only advantage i can see of SAM3 stuff is its DMA controller isnt as retarded as STs
2017-01-16T06:08:04 < dongs> only 6 channels but they can be assigned anything to anything
2017-01-16T06:08:09 < dongs> not limited to specific peripheral
2017-01-16T06:08:43 < dongs> you specify src/dst which can be anything in memory or peripheral space. 
2017-01-16T06:08:49 < dongs> everythign else about that atmel shit is retarded.
2017-01-16T06:16:06 < ohsix> lul financial calculators are kind of bullshit, was hoping to jus tuse this as 4banger at lab
2017-01-16T06:16:38 < ohsix> need them to get some fx-115s
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2017-01-16T06:27:12 < ohsix> http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/hpcalc/hhc2005/hhc-hw10.pdf heh (diy rpn calculator)
2017-01-16T06:37:51 < englishman> dongs, i wonder how that's possible, they must have dma wiring all over the fucking place
2017-01-16T06:38:08 < englishman> or, it's much more limited than they make it out to be
2017-01-16T06:43:39 < dongs> i dont know, i from what ive seen in teh datasheet its any:any
2017-01-16T06:43:48 < dongs> they onle have a m2m example in "asf" so i donno
2017-01-16T06:44:04 < dongs> will be using it soon enough so I'll find out if its really like that or nto
2017-01-16T06:44:58 < ohsix> when you have a patreon donor named 'poopknock' and you have to say it
2017-01-16T06:45:05 < ohsix> that's how you get maximum value.
2017-01-16T06:45:49 < ohsix> englishman: there's probably qualifications for using all 6 at once
2017-01-16T06:46:04 < ohsix> the restrictions can end up being the similar, but the setup expressed differently
2017-01-16T06:46:33 < dongs> its an ahb master or something so i think (?) its suppose to be able to access everything
2017-01-16T06:46:50 < dongs> ST DMA stuff is on apb/blah
2017-01-16T06:47:06 < dongs> of course faggotmel datasheet doens't think a syustem block diagram is somethin they should be including
2017-01-16T06:47:42 < dongs> The DMA Controller (DMAC) is an AHB-central DMA controller core that transfers data from a source peripheral to
2017-01-16T06:47:45 < dongs> a destination peripheral over one or more AMBA buses. One channel is required for each source/destination pair.
2017-01-16T06:47:49 < dongs> In the most basic configuration, the DMAC has one master interface and one channel. The master interface reads
2017-01-16T06:47:52 < dongs> the data from a source and writes it to a destination. Two AMBA transfers are required for each DMAC data
2017-01-16T06:47:56 < dongs> transfer. This is also known as a dual-access transfer.
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2017-01-16T06:49:48 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Strange_Animals/status/820266616667701248
2017-01-16T06:50:11 < ohsix> upgrdman: ^
2017-01-16T06:50:50 < dongs> hehe, you can even do this
2017-01-16T06:50:51 < dongs> Multiple Transfers involving the same peripheral must not be programmed and enabled on different
2017-01-16T06:50:54 < dongs> channels, unless this peripheral integrates several hardware handshaking interfaces.
2017-01-16T06:51:11 < dongs> i mean "could", not "should"
2017-01-16T06:51:47 < dongs> and weird, lots of peripheral registers have write protect bit
2017-01-16T06:51:53 < dongs> after you set them up, you can lock them from c hanges
2017-01-16T06:51:59 < dongs> donno what good that is
2017-01-16T06:55:27 < dongs> zyp, your trash arrived and fucking c ustoms billed it as 10230 yenz
2017-01-16T06:55:32 < dongs> so 700yen taxed.
2017-01-16T06:58:22 < englishman> maybe atmel programmers are so shit
2017-01-16T06:58:36 < englishman> hardware division put that shit in to protect programmers from themselves
2017-01-16T06:59:27 < ohsix> what do you mean maybe
2017-01-16T07:00:24 < ohsix> it isn't usually super hard to look at old parts and see how they do peripherals and stuff, but i don't know shit about atmel or any continuity they might be doing
2017-01-16T07:00:58 < dongs> they have to be at least as good as thier docs writers
2017-01-16T07:02:24 < dongs> your pins arrived so all your trahs sends today
2017-01-16T07:02:42 < englishman> thx
2017-01-16T07:03:34 < dongs> do *I* need to send anythign from here?
2017-01-16T07:03:43 < dongs> did you get DP sockets from chiangirl or im sending?
2017-01-16T07:03:46 < englishman> no that other crap will wait
2017-01-16T07:04:03 < englishman> that shit needs another revision and this speedproj will take all week.
2017-01-16T07:04:27 < dongs> ah right.
2017-01-16T07:05:03 < dongs> just call it dickstarter project like it is
2017-01-16T07:05:13 < englishman> heat problems when driving lcd led strings 5V>36V who would have guessed
2017-01-16T07:05:31 < dongs> is that the dixel display?
2017-01-16T07:05:38 < englishman> yes
2017-01-16T07:06:08 < englishman> i mean it works great at 5V, but the ic gets to 120C
2017-01-16T07:06:16 < englishman> and shuts down at ~125
2017-01-16T07:06:28 < englishman> if i put my hand over it
2017-01-16T07:06:57 < englishman> so gotta decide what to do about that
2017-01-16T07:06:58 < dongs> mine wasn't heating but fuck that connector
2017-01-16T07:07:06 < englishman> connector ended up being not a problem
2017-01-16T07:08:01 < englishman> yeah, i'll just have to unfuck this heating and it's ready to ship.
2017-01-16T07:08:07 < englishman> they are sitting under my main monitors
2017-01-16T07:08:11 < englishman> so, shit works, even at 120C
2017-01-16T07:10:37 < ohsix> h3h
2017-01-16T07:10:45 < ohsix> above what ambient, it's winter now
2017-01-16T07:10:57 < dongs> how did you "solve" the cable problem, cuz i paid way too much to some HK scammer to make custom cables for those and a bunch of other shits. i later noticed chinks are selling ipex->FPC for super cheap but signal integrity on those is probly shit
2017-01-16T07:11:13 < englishman> custom cables
2017-01-16T07:11:50 < englishman> proper micro coax twisted etc
2017-01-16T07:14:33 < stvn> digital
2017-01-16T07:15:00 < stvn> yeah i know a thing or two about chinese lighting system
2017-01-16T07:16:19 < dongs> englishman: for less than $20-30/ea?
2017-01-16T07:16:23 < englishman> ofc
2017-01-16T07:16:25 < englishman> you know me.
2017-01-16T07:16:32 < ohsix> down with opp
2017-01-16T07:16:38 < dongs> oh well, I forgot how much i paid but it was around that.
2017-01-16T07:16:43 < ohsix> and every last homie
2017-01-16T07:16:44 < dongs> scam'd
2017-01-16T07:17:02 < dongs> ok time to drive the fuck out of here
2017-01-16T07:17:15  * stvn has memories of 700ma systems having cables with 30deg c temp rise
2017-01-16T07:17:17 < englishman> have fun at the shrine
2017-01-16T07:17:31 < ohsix> is he going to the cat shrine?
2017-01-16T07:17:31 < dongs> R2COM: ASF sucks
2017-01-16T07:17:34 < ohsix> or the bunny one
2017-01-16T07:17:39 < ohsix> or the big cock one
2017-01-16T07:17:59 < dongs> o rite
2017-01-16T07:18:03 < dongs> now you're all too pro for it
2017-01-16T07:18:18 < stvn> R2PRO
2017-01-16T07:18:25 < englishman> Cypress Semi stock is down 2% since R2COM was hired
2017-01-16T07:18:47 < stvn> i got into stm32 to quit masturbating in my spare time
2017-01-16T07:19:13 < englishman> you;re the best insider trading i could ever ask for
2017-01-16T07:19:14 < stvn> thanks bro
2017-01-16T07:21:40 < stvn> hahaha yes!
2017-01-16T07:22:09 < dongs> awesome
2017-01-16T07:22:57 < stvn> feminists will burn
2017-01-16T07:23:04 < ohsix> http://www.instructables.com/id/3D-Printed-Record/
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2017-01-16T07:24:51 < ohsix> i love how everything 3d printer related is shit, but it's still cool cuz it mostly approximates the thing
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2017-01-16T07:47:03 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul there are a bunch of papers about guar+pva
2017-01-16T07:47:25 < ohsix> neat, will have to read some
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2017-01-16T08:37:21 < stvn> semen grenade
2017-01-16T09:00:58 < jadew> LeelooMinai, luckily now there's the auto keyword :P
2017-01-16T09:02:35 < zyp> dongs, haha, ok
2017-01-16T09:18:06 < stvn> welcome back
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2017-01-16T09:43:11 < upgrdman> ohsix, are the papers about it use as a putty?
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2017-01-16T10:12:01 < PeterM> R2COM i dont think it would be a safe assumption
2017-01-16T10:13:28 < PeterM> there are quite a few HDMI mux ics that are jsut switches, and depending on how the switches are designed there may be no buffers, especially on super chink low cost units
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2017-01-16T10:44:50 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nap0gtds5tQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1m15s what on earth and why
2017-01-16T10:45:03 < ohsix> upgrdman: sort of
2017-01-16T10:45:20 < ohsix> the properties of it as a polymer or some such
2017-01-16T10:45:30 < upgrdman> k
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2017-01-16T11:04:39 < ohsix> faust is neat
2017-01-16T11:04:44 < ohsix> englishman: http://faust.grame.fr/examples/2015/10/01/organ.html http://faust.grame.fr/news/2016/01/14/controlling-with-midi.html
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2017-01-16T11:47:02 < jadew> ohsix: the green gooey stuff is nice
2017-01-16T11:47:22 < jadew> I wonder what it is, seems to be UV sensitive
2017-01-16T11:47:58 < jadew> the question still remains tho, why?
2017-01-16T11:48:10 < jadew> LeelooMinai, nice, does it harden fast?
2017-01-16T11:49:02 < stvn> cu,m
2017-01-16T11:49:59 < jadew> looks nice
2017-01-16T11:50:19 < jadew> did you apply it by hand?
2017-01-16T11:50:23 < stvn> yeah
2017-01-16T11:51:02 < jadew> heh
2017-01-16T11:51:45 < stvn> what else would you do
2017-01-16T11:51:49 < stvn> load it into a gun?
2017-01-16T11:51:56 < jadew> not coat it
2017-01-16T11:52:16 < jadew> (like normal people) :P
2017-01-16T11:53:02 < jadew> yeah, but I don't think it matters that much
2017-01-16T11:53:15 < jadew> it's not like you'll get solder stuck in the little depressions
2017-01-16T11:53:53 < jadew> heh
2017-01-16T11:54:15 < jadew> it crossed my mind too at some point, but why bother?
2017-01-16T11:54:22 < jadew> china is cheap and they have silkscreen too
2017-01-16T11:55:40 < jadew> it spread evenly?
2017-01-16T11:56:10 < jadew> neat
2017-01-16T11:57:26 < PaulFertser> ohsix: how were the tiny wires attached, it didn't look like he soldered or bonded them to the exposed traces.
2017-01-16T11:57:58 < jadew> PaulFertser, you must have skipped over that
2017-01-16T11:58:43 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nap0gtds5tQ&feature=youtu.be&t=5m28s
2017-01-16T11:59:10 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that looks great
2017-01-16T11:59:16 < PaulFertser> It looked like he covered it with glue but it was flux actually? Ok, I understand it then.
2017-01-16T11:59:24 < jadew> yeah
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2017-01-16T12:01:40 < jadew> you had some good results
2017-01-16T12:02:01 < jadew> haha
2017-01-16T12:02:51 < jadew> I got one of those solder paste dispensers to manually apply solder on pads when prototyping
2017-01-16T12:03:33 < jadew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/220V-AD-982-Semi-Auto-Glue-Dispenser-PCB-Solder-Paste-Liquid-Controller-Dropper-Fluid-dispenser/32720970790.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.20.eJHcEo&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_10000009_10084_10000025_10083_10000029_10080_10082_10081_10000028_10110_10111_10112_10060_10113_10062_10114_10056_503_10055_10054_10059_10099_501_10078_10079_10000022_10000012_10103_1
2017-01-16T12:03:34 < jadew> 0073_10102_10000015_10096_10000018_10000019_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051,searchweb201603_9,afswitch_5,single_sort_1_default&btsid=9f6e22e6-2a33-4f15-a418-1bc0703676fa
2017-01-16T12:03:38 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-16T12:03:44 < jadew> did it split the freaking link?
2017-01-16T12:04:12 < jadew> looks nicer than mine
2017-01-16T12:04:57 < jadew> yeah, it's nice
2017-01-16T12:05:04 < jadew> mine is just a box with a glass cover
2017-01-16T12:05:09 < jadew> the controller is hanging outside
2017-01-16T12:05:18 < jadew> and the power supply connects to two wires :P
2017-01-16T12:05:33 < jadew> lol
2017-01-16T12:05:38 < jadew> that looks pro
2017-01-16T12:06:01 < jadew> must have taken more than a day to build
2017-01-16T12:06:57 < jadew> what is it?
2017-01-16T12:07:49 < Fleck> :D
2017-01-16T12:07:57 < Fleck> looks more like cdrom tho
2017-01-16T12:08:10 < stvn> the brick
2017-01-16T12:08:15 < jadew> I made something similar too
2017-01-16T12:08:28 < stvn> the chinese rig 
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2017-01-16T13:21:23 < karlp> heh, segger dropbox client: http://www.edn-europe.com/news/secure-data-exchange-embedded-iot-devices-using-dropbox?news_id=90187
2017-01-16T13:30:44 < psprint> On following nucleo board, will I be able to connect pin headers, to be able to create a shield-board? http://pl.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/nucleo-f429zi/dev-board-arduino-mbed-nucleo/dp/2517898
2017-01-16T13:31:18 < psprint> I would put nucleo on the top of the shield board, so pin headers would go bottom
2017-01-16T13:35:22 < jpa-> pin headers where?
2017-01-16T13:38:43 < psprint> into the double-column holes on edges, that seem to follow the two plastic connectors
2017-01-16T13:49:11 < jpa-> sure, you can do that
2017-01-16T13:51:13 < psprint> female ones onto nucleo are indeed better
2017-01-16T13:51:29 < psprint> here is how ones did this with a discovery board http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/298683/20160709_093541.jpg
2017-01-16T13:51:48 < psprint> LeelooMinai: nie wiem hehe na pewno czeka mnie troche godzin zabawy z kodowaniem stm32, czy uklad sie uda to nie wiem
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2017-01-16T14:32:33 < jadew> does anyone know what I should be looking for? I need a mains plug that can resist the calamities of the bathroom (for the washing machine)
2017-01-16T14:33:03 < jadew> so something that can withstand water splashing over it
2017-01-16T14:33:34 < jadew> my current plan is to get a regular one and have a couple of balloons cover the plug and tie them with ziplocks
2017-01-16T14:33:49 < Kliment> jadew: Uhm
2017-01-16T14:33:58 < Kliment> jadew: plug or socket?
2017-01-16T14:34:04 < jadew> socket
2017-01-16T14:34:12 < Kliment> jadew: There are sockets for outdoor use
2017-01-16T14:34:13 < zyp> jadew, that sounds stupid as fuck
2017-01-16T14:34:21 < zyp> it'll just trap moisture inside
2017-01-16T14:34:22 < Kliment> jadew: Get one of those and be done with it
2017-01-16T14:34:27 < zyp> so yeah, I'm with Kliment 
2017-01-16T14:34:29 < jadew> zyp: yeah, that's what I'm afraid of
2017-01-16T14:34:32 < zyp> get something outdoor rated
2017-01-16T14:35:10 < Kliment> There are even sockets for wet room usage, for industrial kitchens, swimming pools and bathrooms
2017-01-16T14:35:24 < Kliment> Those have both weatherproofing and ground fault interrupters
2017-01-16T14:35:42 < jadew> ah ha, that's what I need
2017-01-16T14:35:49 < Kliment> So get one of those
2017-01-16T14:36:16 < jadew> the outdoor ones don't seem to be that well protected against water
2017-01-16T14:36:25 < jadew> they're more like "ok with rain"
2017-01-16T14:36:42 < zyp> short of submerging, they should be good
2017-01-16T14:36:52 < Kliment> jadew: Some are - I have one on our balcony that can handle pressure washers
2017-01-16T14:37:13 < zyp> the trick for outdoor shit is not to prevent water from coming in, it's to lead it out again without harming anything
2017-01-16T14:37:18 < Kliment> jadew: They come in different grades
2017-01-16T14:37:31 < zyp> and yeah, read up on IP ratings
2017-01-16T14:37:53 < jadew> I will, thanks
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2017-01-16T15:37:50 < Kliment> https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/687474703a2f2f616368696c696b696e2e636f6d2f696d672f63647465612e6a7067.jpeg
2017-01-16T15:42:36 < karlp> anyone got any real insight into this i3c shit? 
2017-01-16T15:45:44 < zyp> i3c?
2017-01-16T15:46:30 < jpa-> camera i2c?
2017-01-16T15:47:54 < karlp> http://mipi.org/specifications/i3c%E2%84%A0-sensor-specification
2017-01-16T15:48:00 < karlp> meant to be backward compatible, but faster,
2017-01-16T15:48:03 < karlp> but specs are for alliance members,
2017-01-16T15:48:16 < karlp> and I've only found news style PR shit so far
2017-01-16T15:49:06 < karlp> all the keywords sounce nice though
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2017-01-16T16:00:40 < karlp> heh, seems to include cross device timer sync ala PTP 
2017-01-16T16:01:04 < karlp> "we're going to include the best bits of spi, i2c and can, and standardize a bunch of basic things that we always want"
2017-01-16T16:01:15 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-01-16T16:01:25 < dongs> zyp, i think i got your bill
2017-01-16T16:01:27 < dongs> for ll-vod parts
2017-01-16T16:01:57 < dongs> does around 435$ sound right>
2017-01-16T16:02:14 < dongs> half of that is F427
2017-01-16T16:05:44 < zyp> for qty 36?
2017-01-16T16:05:52 < dongs> yeah.
2017-01-16T16:06:10 < dongs> emaling you teh shit for ccheckign
2017-01-16T16:06:11 < zyp> apparently that's about what I paid last time, which was qty 24
2017-01-16T16:06:25 < zyp> but I guess shit got cheaper
2017-01-16T16:06:32 < dongs> sounds like you definitely dont care then
2017-01-16T16:07:00 < zyp> as long as nothing is missing, sure
2017-01-16T16:07:06 < dongs> you can check
2017-01-16T16:07:08 < dongs> i sent
2017-01-16T16:07:24 < zyp> ah
2017-01-16T16:07:28 < zyp> wrong stm32
2017-01-16T16:07:32 < dongs> ...
2017-01-16T16:07:33 < dongs> wut?
2017-01-16T16:07:38 < dongs> oh
2017-01-16T16:07:40 < dongs> yeah thats wrong
2017-01-16T16:07:44 < dongs> i have pic of 427
2017-01-16T16:07:48 < dongs> why the fuck did she quote that
2017-01-16T16:09:37 < dongs> anyway, the price is correct, i think jsut the name isnt
2017-01-16T16:10:37 < zyp> okay, so the stm32 got a lot cheaper, making up for the extra qty
2017-01-16T16:10:38 < dongs> k, she says price is correct. jsut wrong  text.
2017-01-16T16:11:26 < dongs> all the other shit thats not on that list is either in mouser or i have onr eels
2017-01-16T16:11:41 < zyp> yeah, I figured
2017-01-16T16:13:51 < sync_> dongs: does your chinavendor also deal with leds?
2017-01-16T16:14:16 < dongs> certainly?
2017-01-16T16:14:47 < sync_> I wondered what BXRC-50C10K0-L-24 would cost at qty of like 25-50
2017-01-16T16:14:59 < sync_> because that shit is relatively cheap even on DK
2017-01-16T16:17:25 < dongs> thats a specific usa vendor, maybe you could ask for "10000 lumen led array" or something but yeah, can check
2017-01-16T16:20:26 < sync_> well, yeah
2017-01-16T16:20:39 < dongs> are you gonna put those into a mixer
2017-01-16T16:20:42 < sync_> yes
2017-01-16T16:20:43 < dongs> RAY OF GOD
2017-01-16T16:20:56 < dongs> blind the fuck out of everyone within 50m radius
2017-01-16T16:21:16 < sync_> I'm looking for high efficiency >10klm modules that are not chinaspecial
2017-01-16T16:21:24 < sync_> or if so, good quality
2017-01-16T16:21:34 < dongs> i have these chinaspecial corn-cob-looking light bulbs
2017-01-16T16:21:38 < dongs> they are such absolute trash
2017-01-16T16:21:43 < sync_> I mean, 24.6€/ea are ok from DK
2017-01-16T16:21:44 < sync_> but eh
2017-01-16T16:21:52 < sync_> that means they cost them like 10€
2017-01-16T16:22:06 < dongs> http://www.indoorledlightbulb.com/photo/pl6350609-42pcs_smd5050_12v_dc_corn_cob_light_bulb_warm_white_600lm_7w_led_corn_bulb_e14.jpg
2017-01-16T16:22:09 < dongs> this sorta trash
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2017-01-16T16:26:38 < zyp> one of my pals got some of those, they look unsafe as fuck
2017-01-16T16:26:45 < dongs> they are totally
2017-01-16T16:26:52 < dongs> that plastic stuff becomes brittle after some use
2017-01-16T16:27:03 < dongs> and the circuit board inside is just sorta suspended in some wires
2017-01-16T16:27:42 < zyp> and there's no protection against touching live solder joints
2017-01-16T16:27:51 < aandrew> yeah I have some corncob style ones I am going to order on aliexpress
2017-01-16T16:27:53 < aandrew> haven't done it yet
2017-01-16T16:27:56 < dongs> correct
2017-01-16T16:27:56 < aandrew> let me see if I can find the link
2017-01-16T16:27:58 < aandrew> you can tell me if it's shit
2017-01-16T16:27:59 < zyp> regulator is of course not isolated
2017-01-16T16:28:01 < dongs> they're everywhere
2017-01-16T16:28:06 < dongs> ebay/alishit etc
2017-01-16T16:28:10 < dongs> i think i got mien off ebay for liek $3
2017-01-16T16:28:11 < dongs> or less
2017-01-16T16:28:14 < dongs> something ridiculous
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2017-01-16T16:29:26 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1Pcs-2015-High-Lumen-LED-Corn-Bulb-E27-3W-5W-7W-12W-15W-25W-30W-40W/32338556349.html
2017-01-16T16:29:35 < aandrew> IIRC E27 fits US sockets jsut fine
2017-01-16T16:29:41 < aandrew> it's not perfect but close enough
2017-01-16T16:29:43 < dongs> i think i have the 50W
2017-01-16T16:29:55 < dongs> hmt hose look more narrow leds
2017-01-16T16:30:00 < dongs> mine uses 5050 leds
2017-01-16T16:30:00 < aandrew> yeah I was gonna get a pair of 50W ones for overhead lighting in the garage
2017-01-16T16:30:14 < dongs> like theres jsut open solder joints
2017-01-16T16:30:15 < dongs> on teh bottom
2017-01-16T16:30:21 < dongs> and if you knock the plastic bottom base out
2017-01-16T16:30:25 < dongs> all those bars just slide thefuck out
2017-01-16T16:30:28 < dongs> and turn into a mess
2017-01-16T16:30:36 < dongs> (and probably short themselves
2017-01-16T16:32:30 < aandrew> I also like these for floods: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/E27-120degree-LED-spot-light-32W-110V-230V-RA80-PAR56/1545153375.html
2017-01-16T16:32:45 < aandrew> dongs: yeah I don't doubt it. they're cheap cheap cheap
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2017-01-16T16:38:14 < englishman> lol why bother
2017-01-16T16:38:35 < englishman> i got a bunch of 60w equivalent philips bulbs for $1 each beaverbux
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2017-01-16T16:48:25 < dongs> zyp, so if that list is ok go ahead and shitpal it
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2017-01-16T16:48:49 < dongs> to 888
2017-01-16T16:49:11 < dongs> what "perippheral" is CoreDebug register?
2017-01-16T16:49:16 < dongs> at 0xE000EDF0
2017-01-16T16:49:19 < dongs> is that armcore or  wat
2017-01-16T16:49:38 < zyp> dongs, ok
2017-01-16T16:49:58 < dongs> trying to see if  theres a way to tell if my code is running under keil emulator or on hardware
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2017-01-16T16:53:18 < zyp> dongs, done
2017-01-16T16:53:33 < PeterM> i bought some motorbike headlights of aliexpress, were $30 each, looked decent in the listing, when they arrived they were trash, i wouldn't pay mroe than $4 for them, was like "fuck i need some headlights quick", went into a local industrial supply store and they had these fuckign beautiful headlights for $35, bit dissapointed, this is probably the first lot of stuff that ive bought that i 
2017-01-16T16:53:33 < PeterM> would call 100% chinatrash.
2017-01-16T16:53:58 < englishman> car nerds are pretty gullible
2017-01-16T16:54:06 < englishman> so theres a lot of opportunity for china
2017-01-16T16:54:59 < Ecco> :-/
2017-01-16T16:55:38 < Ecco> well I'd say the proper way to use Aliexpress is to never buy anything >$5 there
2017-01-16T16:55:52 < Ecco> This way there's no way to be disapointed
2017-01-16T16:56:07 < PeterM> no doubt. im just kinda surprised because these beautiful headlights certainly came from china at some point too, and were the kinda thing i was expecting
2017-01-16T16:56:15 < Ecco> Yeah, that's true
2017-01-16T16:56:53 < Ecco> But maybe they're made in China but the manufacturer doesn't try to fuck his customer and doesn't build items he resells on his own
2017-01-16T16:57:19 < Ecco> e.g. sure Apple Watches are made in China, but I wouldn't risk buying one on Aliexpress
2017-01-16T16:57:28 < Ecco> I wouldn't risk buying one anywhere anyway, but that's not the topic :)
2017-01-16T17:10:18 < dongs> zyp, cool
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2017-01-16T17:19:30 < PaulFertser> PeterM: what motorbike do you have?
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2017-01-16T17:36:06 < englishman> {"data":{"error":"Imgur is temporarily over capacity. Please try again later."},"success":false,"status":500}
2017-01-16T17:36:14 < englishman> fucking imgur
2017-01-16T17:36:18 < englishman> why does this shithole still exist
2017-01-16T17:36:52 < aandrew> because cats
2017-01-16T17:37:09 < englishman> hey, i'll probably go with your markham guys
2017-01-16T17:37:41 < englishman> 250 beaverbux 23x23" shipped
2017-01-16T17:38:10 < englishman> same-day service
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2017-01-16T18:11:14 < Steffanx> beaverbux sir englishman?
2017-01-16T18:22:25 < dongs> laurenceb-quality link https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55c25a62e4b0030db3b1280e/t/587c61b11b631b453a48713f/1484546485007/?format=750w
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2017-01-16T20:41:41 < kakimir> pumps
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2017-01-16T20:55:47 < Steffanx> Pumping was 2016 and we left that behind us kakimir.
2017-01-16T20:57:53 < englishman> Steffanx: yes
2017-01-16T20:58:27 < kakimir> I'm so last season
2017-01-16T20:58:31 < englishman> approx 0.72 yurop dollars
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2017-01-16T21:56:59 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, you around?
2017-01-16T21:58:16 < upgrdman> on machxo2, some non-jtag pins seem to get pulled high when chip is being programmed. but datasheet says "power up" behavior is high-z with weak pull-down. any ideas?
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2017-01-16T22:03:09 < Steffanx> Hah, wasn't sure if you were referring to some product with that name or the canuck currency englishman :P
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2017-01-16T22:45:18 < upgrdman> heh. with nvidia, unwritten portions of an off-screen framebuffer just default to a constant value. with intel, they glitch the fuck out. lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSLKl-toKHw
2017-01-16T22:46:42 < kakimir> so that program is doeing somethign wrong?
2017-01-16T22:46:53 < upgrdman> ya the flash blocks should be solid white
2017-01-16T22:47:25 < kakimir> not GPU but the program does some tricks it should not
2017-01-16T22:48:01 < upgrdman> ya. opengl-noob me.
2017-01-16T22:48:06 < kakimir> nice viasualizer
2017-01-16T22:48:08 < upgrdman> thx
2017-01-16T22:48:27 < kakimir> what it's for?
2017-01-16T22:49:05 < upgrdman> kakimir, general telemetry visualization. working on improving the FFT shit to add that waveform view, and soon a waterfall view
2017-01-16T22:49:31 < upgrdman> kakimir, heres a demo of it  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYyW16FYqE0
2017-01-16T22:49:41 < kakimir> is there any sense to create your own visualizer?
2017-01-16T22:49:50 < kakimir> of course the fun of it
2017-01-16T22:50:04 < kakimir> I mean the graphics part of it
2017-01-16T22:50:04 < englishman> GPU-Accelerated Arduino Data Logging
2017-01-16T22:50:05 < englishman> lol
2017-01-16T22:50:14 < upgrdman> englishman, gotta SEO that shit.
2017-01-16T22:50:17 < upgrdman> muh ad revenue
2017-01-16T22:50:27 < kakimir> 57minutes
2017-01-16T22:50:36 < englishman> thumb down, page closed
2017-01-16T22:50:46 < upgrdman> kakimir, ya i know... but fuckers watch it and the ad revenue is proportional to watch time
2017-01-16T22:50:58 < kakimir> sory I block ads
2017-01-16T22:51:02 < upgrdman> fine with me
2017-01-16T22:51:08 < upgrdman> but many viewers dont
2017-01-16T22:51:12 < upgrdman> which is all i care about
2017-01-16T22:51:25 < sync_> that is quite neat
2017-01-16T22:51:48 < upgrdman> kakimir, anyway, i made it because i never found a visualizer that met my needs. all the ones i found are complex engineering-level tools, and they tend to be slow as fuck
2017-01-16T22:51:52 < upgrdman> i want 4k60
2017-01-16T22:51:56 < kakimir> okay you are the dude that makes the visualizer that others can have nice visualizer
2017-01-16T22:52:02 < upgrdman> which my program does, even with intel integrated graphics
2017-01-16T22:52:11 < upgrdman> sync_, thx
2017-01-16T22:52:19 < englishman> yeah sure is smooth
2017-01-16T22:52:26 < englishman> puts matlab to shame
2017-01-16T22:52:29 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-01-16T22:52:41 < upgrdman> and that was an EASY demo.
2017-01-16T22:52:49 < kakimir> upgrdman: all rendered with shaders?
2017-01-16T22:53:20 < upgrdman> at work i use it, with 40,000 samples per second, with each chart showing 150,000 points... all at 4k60 with intel graphics
2017-01-16T22:53:39 < kakimir> just dump preprocessed data to gpu and let it crunch it into nice graphs
2017-01-16T22:53:41 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-16T22:53:42 < upgrdman> kakimir, no shader yet. too noob. doing old school gl for now until i get my logic ironed out
2017-01-16T22:54:14 < kakimir> you dump data to gpu and then get it back and render graphs with it
2017-01-16T22:54:15 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-16T22:54:18 < upgrdman> e.g. https://github.com/farrellf/TelemetryViewer/blob/master/Telemetry%20Viewer/src/OpenGLTimeDomainChart.java#L43
2017-01-16T22:55:14 < upgrdman> and yes i know, i know.... shaders are better. but fuck it. im learning at my own pace.
2017-01-16T22:55:24 < kakimir> glbagin glend :|
2017-01-16T22:55:47 < sync_> hmm
2017-01-16T22:55:58 < upgrdman> kakimir, i've profiled. cpu->gpu is NOT a bottleneck yet. not even close
2017-01-16T22:56:04 < sync_> I wonder how well your balancing robot would do with just a gyro
2017-01-16T22:56:06 < upgrdman> i know its inefficient but its good enough for now
2017-01-16T22:56:19 < upgrdman> sync_, need accel or something else to remove gyro drift
2017-01-16T22:56:30 < upgrdman> gyro only and it'll fall in like 2 seconds
2017-01-16T22:56:34 < upgrdman> well drift and then fall
2017-01-16T22:57:00 < sync_> well, using a gyro that does not suck obviously
2017-01-16T22:57:11 < upgrdman> ya that'd be nice.
2017-01-16T22:57:15 < sync_> I have russian RLGs, always wanted to do something with them
2017-01-16T22:57:22 < upgrdman> they big?
2017-01-16T22:57:31 < sync_> ~80mm diameter
2017-01-16T22:57:57 < kakimir> well doesn't make any difference in this case if you use glbegin an glend in performance
2017-01-16T22:58:12 < kakimir> not that much things happening in it
2017-01-16T22:58:52 < upgrdman> ya i use arrays for the complex parts
2017-01-16T22:58:58 < upgrdman> that did make a diff
2017-01-16T22:59:11 < upgrdman> but for drawing a rect or two... fuck it. immediate mode FTW
2017-01-16T22:59:22 < kakimir> complex parts being the graph?
2017-01-16T22:59:51 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-16T23:00:08 < upgrdman> 150k verticies in immediate mode wastes CPU cycles needlessly
2017-01-16T23:00:47 < sync_> oh you use the madgwik ahrs... I never got that shit to run right
2017-01-16T23:00:57 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-16T23:01:09 < upgrdman> worked well for me right out of the box. just had to figure out x/y/z mapping
2017-01-16T23:01:41 < upgrdman> sync_, full vlog of robot is here if you want to see it: http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2016-12-18_Building_a_Balancing_Robot_from_Start_to_Finish/
2017-01-16T23:01:49 < kakimir> is there such code for C that you can make those individual graphs with?
2017-01-16T23:01:50 < upgrdman> even a madgick video ;)
2017-01-16T23:02:07 < upgrdman> kakimir, never did GUI with C, so dunno
2017-01-16T23:02:08 < sync_> didn't spend much time on it so eh
2017-01-16T23:02:39 < kakimir> you get good ad revenues upgrdman ?
2017-01-16T23:02:52 < upgrdman> kakimir, decent. not quitting my day job though
2017-01-16T23:03:05 < upgrdman> averaging $60-75 a month now
2017-01-16T23:03:13 < upgrdman> a few peaks near $95
2017-01-16T23:03:31 < upgrdman> like half of that is from my shitberry pi videos
2017-01-16T23:03:36 < kakimir> sure
2017-01-16T23:04:20 < kakimir> start tubewhoring and make all crapberry videos all the time
2017-01-16T23:04:43 < upgrdman> tempted but im busy with getting things i find interesting done first
2017-01-16T23:04:53 < upgrdman> and work pays well, so im not starved for cash
2017-01-16T23:05:02 < kakimir> you should not actually do it
2017-01-16T23:05:06 < upgrdman> but plan to so some pi home automation video soon
2017-01-16T23:05:09 < kakimir> not wurth it
2017-01-16T23:05:17 < upgrdman> ir + camera -> turn on air conditioner or some shit
2017-01-16T23:05:23 < kakimir> interesting
2017-01-16T23:06:40 < upgrdman> anyway that FFT shit i was working on, end goal will be to look kinda like this   http://farrellf.com/temp/cc2500spectrum.png
2017-01-16T23:07:25 < upgrdman> but maybe use the flir iron pallette instead
2017-01-16T23:07:59 < kakimir> you say you have a dayjob too you do on side of these projects?
2017-01-16T23:08:19 < upgrdman> ya im an EE pro troll.
2017-01-16T23:08:57 < zyp> I'm a con troll
2017-01-16T23:09:06 < zyp> sup?
2017-01-16T23:09:46 < upgrdman> con?
2017-01-16T23:12:55 < kakimir> meaning like troll that trolls to be troll but is actually not?
2017-01-16T23:14:24 < upgrdman> no, real EE.
2017-01-16T23:14:42 < kakimir> *zyp
2017-01-16T23:14:56 < upgrdman> some basic PCB design, lots if C, lots of Verilog, some Java for PC software. soon to be more PCB design hopefully
2017-01-16T23:15:52 < upgrdman> and when im shanghai'd, lot of fixing shit chinagineering.
2017-01-16T23:16:19 < upgrdman> wtf is it with china. all their schematics are shit. fucking rats nest, all on one big sheet.
2017-01-16T23:16:42 < upgrdman> with useless net labels like "net1" "net2"
2017-01-16T23:16:44 < kakimir> unskilled workers
2017-01-16T23:16:57 < upgrdman> even their experienced ones do it a lot
2017-01-16T23:17:04 < upgrdman> i guess no motivation to imrpove
2017-01-16T23:17:37 < kakimir> it's not rewarded
2017-01-16T23:17:43 < kakimir> to be better
2017-01-16T23:18:35 < upgrdman> that might be part of it. but they also seem to have much less pride in their work than many other nationalities
2017-01-16T23:19:07 < upgrdman> a culture of "rough draft is good enough for market"
2017-01-16T23:19:22 < upgrdman> not trying to be a dick, but it's so fucking annoying
2017-01-16T23:20:11 < kakimir> true
2017-01-16T23:21:30 < upgrdman> oh and they give no fucks about safety. pcb with 50,000uF cap charged to 90V ... no need for a bleed resistor.
2017-01-16T23:21:48 < kakimir> they don't know, they don't care
2017-01-16T23:22:05 < kakimir> and don't want to know
2017-01-16T23:22:28 < kakimir> time to sauna>
2017-01-16T23:22:32 < englishman> ESR is bleed resistor
2017-01-16T23:22:35 < englishman> no probrem
2017-01-16T23:22:39 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-16T23:26:48 < sync_> you don't really need a bleed resistor tho
2017-01-16T23:28:15 < upgrdman> with board unplugged for 1 hour, cap measures 80V and massive spark if shorted to GND
2017-01-16T23:29:05 < upgrdman> i know its not life threatening, but wtf. why.
2017-01-16T23:29:27 < sync_> because resistors cost money
2017-01-16T23:29:53 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-16T23:32:00 < englishman> it reduces arcing when reapplying power
2017-01-16T23:37:20 < sync_> also reduces wasted power
2017-01-16T23:37:29 < sync_> and acts as a ups
2017-01-16T23:37:41 < upgrdman> ffs you guys
2017-01-16T23:38:04 < zyp> does the input caps in switchmode psus usually have bleed resistors?
2017-01-16T23:38:25 < upgrdman> zyp, if input is highish voltage, they should
2017-01-16T23:38:34 < upgrdman> even if its 1meg or someshit.
2017-01-16T23:38:42 < zyp> whatever peak to peak is for 230Vrms
2017-01-16T23:39:16 < englishman> @ 1meg thats 50mW wasted for bleed resistor
2017-01-16T23:39:17 < zyp> I didn't think bleed resistors were common, so I always take care to short them out before working on them
2017-01-16T23:39:22 < zyp> not that I do that very often
2017-01-16T23:39:35 < englishman> in germany thatd be like $3 a month just for your bleed resistor
2017-01-16T23:39:47 < upgrdman> im not saying some 1S LiPo powered shit needs a bleed resistor. but for >40V, it seems retarded not to. even an RC time of 1 minute would be fine.
2017-01-16T23:40:50 < zyp> englishman, uh, I call bullshit
2017-01-16T23:40:52 < upgrdman> englishman, 50mW for 31 days is 36Wh. if that's $3/month in germany, theyre fucking idiots
2017-01-16T23:41:02 < englishman> lol
2017-01-16T23:41:03 < zyp> that's what I was about to say
2017-01-16T23:41:25 < upgrdman> 36Wh is like 0.005$
2017-01-16T23:41:48 < zyp> even less in norway
2017-01-16T23:42:30 < zyp> probably like $0.003 here
2017-01-16T23:44:06 < upgrdman> anyone know if there are like nvidia/amd/intel gpu emulators? for catching this undefined behavior bullshit without multiple pc's
2017-01-16T23:44:22 < upgrdman> i feel like a fucking web dev or android dev :(
2017-01-16T23:44:43 < zyp> haha, good luck
2017-01-16T23:44:47 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-01-16T23:45:02 < zyp> why do you think they would spend time emulating bugs rather than fixing them?
2017-01-16T23:45:19 < upgrdman> youthful ignorance i guess
2017-01-16T23:45:47 < zyp> but yeah
2017-01-16T23:45:49 < upgrdman> a lot of it doesnt even seem like bugs, but just the spec is intentionally vague
2017-01-16T23:46:10 < upgrdman> and its not like the opengl man pages highlight where you're gonna get ass raped.
2017-01-16T23:46:47 < zyp> guy I know from some other channels have been doing some gpu stuff
2017-01-16T23:46:55 < zyp> blogging about all the issues he's ran into
2017-01-16T23:46:59 < zyp> it's not few.
2017-01-16T23:47:05 < upgrdman> public blog? url?
2017-01-16T23:50:07 < zyp> https://blog.sesse.net/ but apparently he's autoremoving posts after a time, so older posts doesn't seem to be available anymore
2017-01-16T23:54:07 < upgrdman> damn
2017-01-16T23:54:19 < upgrdman> why does he cull old posts? short on hdd?
2017-01-16T23:54:38 < zyp> idk, haven't asked
2017-01-16T23:54:41 < upgrdman> k
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2017-01-17T00:09:20 < kakimir> upgrdman: have an acryl enclosure for the remote
2017-01-17T00:11:07 < upgrdman> ?
2017-01-17T00:12:11 < kakimir> or some shape to it
2017-01-17T00:12:42 < kakimir> it's feng sui is low
2017-01-17T00:13:30 < upgrdman> oh
2017-01-17T00:13:34 < kakimir> because it doesn't have protective shape around it
2017-01-17T00:13:34 < upgrdman> ya i guess
2017-01-17T00:13:49 < upgrdman> well it was a quick hack that has proven very useful.
2017-01-17T00:13:58 < upgrdman> made that PCB in my kitchen. complete with solder mask.
2017-01-17T00:14:17 < kakimir> it looks kinda pro
2017-01-17T00:14:25 < upgrdman> only problem with the design is not enough decoupling, so ADC readings have +/-10 LSBs of noise :(
2017-01-17T00:14:44 < kakimir> how little decoupling it has?
2017-01-17T00:14:58 < upgrdman> kakimir, scroll down here: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/
2017-01-17T00:15:17 < upgrdman> only 2 100nF near the mcu
2017-01-17T00:15:20 < upgrdman> and long ass traces
2017-01-17T00:15:47 < kakimir> and low pass filters for adc lines?
2017-01-17T00:16:06 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-17T00:16:17 < upgrdman> but doesnt help with ADC noise
2017-01-17T00:16:21 < kakimir> I wouldda have decoupled them potentiometers too
2017-01-17T00:16:23 < upgrdman> when VDDA/VSSA are shit
2017-01-17T00:16:25 < BrainDamage> if you don't mind splattering shit around ( read: use a cover ) you can just mount a disk on a drill and tape the pcb on it
2017-01-17T00:16:35 < BrainDamage> then give it  spin
2017-01-17T00:16:44 < upgrdman> lolwut
2017-01-17T00:16:47 < BrainDamage> it's a ghetto version of spincoating
2017-01-17T00:16:52 < sync_> yes
2017-01-17T00:16:57 < sync_> spincoat = best coat
2017-01-17T00:17:01 < upgrdman> for what?
2017-01-17T00:17:06 < upgrdman> oh solder mask?
2017-01-17T00:17:08 < BrainDamage> for the solder mask
2017-01-17T00:17:10 < upgrdman> ya i used dry film
2017-01-17T00:24:32 < kakimir> fukken eye infection is back
2017-01-17T00:25:05 < kakimir> can only look at dark terminal screen web pages are too bright
2017-01-17T00:25:43 < kakimir> I go to doctor after there is no vision left in it
2017-01-17T00:26:03 < kakimir> they tell me it needs to be removed
2017-01-17T00:29:14 < kakimir> I have a function that takes a function pointer as a parameter
2017-01-17T00:29:33 < kakimir> so I want to know the name of the function that is passed as a parameter
2017-01-17T00:29:53 < kakimir> is there nice way or should I just forget it?
2017-01-17T00:30:14 < kakimir> visual C
2017-01-17T00:30:50 < Fleck> arent names in compile time replaced by addresses?
2017-01-17T00:31:31 < kakimir> something like that
2017-01-17T00:33:23 < kakimir> I think I need to forget this
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2017-01-17T00:38:38 < kakimir> is there posiblity to store function address into global variable after it's prototype in header?
2017-01-17T00:39:08 < BrainDamage> you need debug symbols to resolve function addresses to their names
2017-01-17T00:39:10 < Fleck> should be imo
2017-01-17T00:39:10 < zyp> you could do some macro magic
2017-01-17T00:39:16 < BrainDamage> see DWARF format
2017-01-17T00:39:37 < kakimir> BrainDamage: can it be used in production code too?
2017-01-17T00:40:14 < BrainDamage> yes, but, you shouldn't distribute code with debug info
2017-01-17T00:40:20 < zyp> e.g. #define foo(func) actual_foo(foo, #foo)
2017-01-17T00:40:30 < zyp> fuck
2017-01-17T00:40:39 < BrainDamage> unless you plan to give your code to whorever gets the bin
2017-01-17T00:40:40 < zyp> I mean #define foo(func) actual_foo(func, #func)
2017-01-17T00:41:05 < zyp> check https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Stringification.html
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2017-01-17T00:51:14 < kakimir> what does that define do zyp
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2017-01-17T00:55:05 < kakimir> so debugging symbols mean that variables and functions have a name connected to them not just some address?
2017-01-17T00:56:05 < zyp> when shit is linked, symbols are replaced with the actual addresses
2017-01-17T00:56:27 < zyp> debug symbols is extra metadata that the debugger uses to resolve addresses back to symbol names
2017-01-17T00:56:40 < zyp> and that's probably not what you want, super overkill
2017-01-17T00:56:59 < zyp> what you want is that a function gets the name of another function passed to it, right?
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2017-01-17T00:57:29 < kakimir> but it's not that file where there is C and asm side by side
2017-01-17T00:57:44 < zyp> you can do that by just writing a macro that makes the preprocessor pass an extra string argument along with the function pointer
2017-01-17T00:57:52 < zyp> which is what I explained you how to do
2017-01-17T00:58:06 < kakimir> I see
2017-01-17T00:58:12 < kakimir> how to use it?
2017-01-17T00:58:22 < zyp> see the linked page
2017-01-17T01:01:49 < kakimir> I know how stringfy works
2017-01-17T01:02:10 < kakimir> but these macros with () no
2017-01-17T01:03:22 < kakimir> foo(functiontostringfy) results into?
2017-01-17T01:05:01 < upgrdman> kakimir, you really losing your eye?
2017-01-17T01:05:10 < zyp> actual_foo(functiontostringify, "functiontostringify")
2017-01-17T01:05:12 < kakimir> actualfoo(functiontostringfy, "functiontostringly")
2017-01-17T01:05:23 < kakimir> what is actualfoo?
2017-01-17T01:05:31 < zyp> whatever you want it to be
2017-01-17T01:05:42 < kakimir> i dont want
2017-01-17T01:06:23 < kakimir> it is a fucntion call?
2017-01-17T01:06:32 < kakimir> for actual_foo function?
2017-01-17T01:06:54 < zyp> did you try thinking before asking?
2017-01-17T01:07:10 < zyp> do you know at all how macros work?
2017-01-17T01:08:03 < kakimir> I see what macro you gave does
2017-01-17T01:08:10 < kakimir> I don't see how I use it
2017-01-17T01:08:36 < kakimir> lemme show you
2017-01-17T01:08:50 < zyp> actual_foo is your function that you already have
2017-01-17T01:08:59 < zyp> you have to change it to also take a function pointer
2017-01-17T01:09:15 < zyp> string pointer, I mean
2017-01-17T01:09:22 < kakimir> int16_t count_leading_zeros_test_ui32(uint16_t (*clz_function)(uint32_t)) {//Check the results and the speed of the function implementation
2017-01-17T01:09:32 < zyp> then you wrap the macro around it to fill the string pointer when it's invoked
2017-01-17T01:09:36 < kakimir> printf("Test function: count_leading_zeros_test_ui32, Testing on clz function: X \n");
2017-01-17T01:12:01 < kakimir> and I want that X to be whatever I decide to pass as a parameter
2017-01-17T01:12:25 < zyp> and a macro wrapper solves that
2017-01-17T01:12:37 < zyp> read the fucking link I pasted
2017-01-17T01:16:17 < kakimir> I don't fucking understand
2017-01-17T01:17:00 < zyp> hint: int16_t count_leading_zeros_test_ui32(uint16_t (*clz_function)(uint32_t), char* function_name)
2017-01-17T01:17:17 < kakimir> that is what I thought
2017-01-17T01:17:34 < zyp> then what part don't you understand?
2017-01-17T01:17:45 < zyp> you can also skip that and put the printf in the macro itself
2017-01-17T01:17:51 < zyp> like in the stringify example
2017-01-17T01:18:03 < kakimir> what is actual foo
2017-01-17T01:18:09 < zyp> count_leading_zeros_test_ui32
2017-01-17T01:18:22 < kakimir> then I perfectly understand
2017-01-17T01:18:53 < zyp> macro name can't be exactly same as function name, so you have to distinguish them somehow
2017-01-17T01:18:59 < zyp> call them whatever
2017-01-17T01:19:30 < kakimir> just add _MACRO
2017-01-17T01:19:33 < kakimir> in it
2017-01-17T01:19:41 < kakimir> or .. _macro
2017-01-17T01:20:08 < zyp> the macro is what the user will invoke so you'll want to give that the sane name
2017-01-17T01:20:23 < zyp> while the actual function is hidden behind the macro
2017-01-17T01:20:43 < kakimir> zyp:  is there way to pass macro(func) as a parameter somehow?
2017-01-17T01:20:51 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: why not
2017-01-17T01:20:58 < zyp> kakimir, wat?
2017-01-17T01:21:20 < kakimir> so that it would result into parameters without function vall
2017-01-17T01:21:47 < zyp> kakimir, the preprocessor is just a preprocessor, it's not magic
2017-01-17T01:22:01 < zyp> stringify operator only works on macro arguments, i.e. inside a macro
2017-01-17T01:22:07 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: I probably know as I'm about to compare them all differnt implementations for CLZ
2017-01-17T01:22:12 < zyp> so no, you can't use it on arbitrary shit
2017-01-17T01:23:04 < zyp> and I'm tired of spoon feeding you, have a good night, I'm going to bed
2017-01-17T01:23:15 < kakimir> thanks
2017-01-17T01:23:50 < kakimir> depending on platform
2017-01-17T01:23:58 < kakimir> m0 - no
2017-01-17T01:24:01 < kakimir> m3 - yes
2017-01-17T01:24:08 < kakimir> x86 - yes
2017-01-17T01:24:36 < kakimir> I just talked about it a week ago here
2017-01-17T01:24:45 < kakimir> myself
2017-01-17T01:26:19 < kakimir> how about thumb2?
2017-01-17T01:26:28 < zyp> it's not in armv6-m, only armv7-m and above
2017-01-17T01:28:17 < zyp> that was probably valid pre-cortex
2017-01-17T01:29:02 < zyp> cortex-m got several differences from classical arm
2017-01-17T01:30:29 < zyp> and yeah, CLZ is a super important instructions, chips are useless without it
2017-01-17T01:30:45 < zyp> why does even cortex-m0 exist when it doesn't have CLZ?
2017-01-17T01:31:23 < aandrew> what's CLZ
2017-01-17T01:31:34 < zyp> count leading zeros or something
2017-01-17T01:31:50 < aandrew> interesting
2017-01-17T01:31:58 < aandrew> what're you counting leading zeroes for
2017-01-17T01:31:58 < kakimir> zyp: to blink leds
2017-01-17T01:32:09 < kakimir> often even literally
2017-01-17T01:32:20 < zyp> probably super uninteresting actually :p
2017-01-17T01:33:05 < kakimir> aandrew: result in digit count at least
2017-01-17T01:33:35 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yeah, and you couldn't have counted zeros without?
2017-01-17T01:34:11 < zyp> how efficient do you need to do it?
2017-01-17T01:34:57 < zyp> cortex-m0 isn't designed to do stuff efficiently, cortex-m0 is designed to do stuff cheaply, and it's pretty good at that
2017-01-17T01:39:34 < zyp> fair point, price is pretty irrelevant when you're not doing volumes
2017-01-17T01:40:16 < zyp> but if that was all that mattered, you might as well put f7 on everything
2017-01-17T01:41:34 < zyp> why does it need to be low power, surely you can afford huge batteries since you're not making it in volume :p
2017-01-17T01:42:18 < zyp> pff, then your cnc is too small
2017-01-17T01:46:50 < zyp> speed of development? like your «yak shaving»? :p
2017-01-17T01:48:02 < zyp> oh, right
2017-01-17T01:48:12 < zyp> so what you're saying is that actually getting something done is ugly
2017-01-17T01:48:28 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I'm just curous what you were doing that needed to count leading zeroes. not saying it wasn't needed, I'm just curious
2017-01-17T01:49:23 < zyp> aandrew, it's essentially an integer log2()
2017-01-17T01:53:11 < zyp> depends how you do it
2017-01-17T01:53:40 < zyp> easiest is a simple loop and shift
2017-01-17T01:53:58 < zyp> faster is a binary search, could do it in five comparison
2017-01-17T01:54:32 < zyp> haha, wat
2017-01-17T01:56:44 < zyp> weird way to do it
2017-01-17T01:56:54 < zyp> why not just keep ready tasks in a list sorted by priority?
2017-01-17T01:57:11 < zyp> and sleeping tasks in a list sorted by deadline?
2017-01-17T01:58:37 < zyp> doubt it, you still need to construct the set
2017-01-17T02:00:06 < zyp> that works for adding, how about removing
2017-01-17T02:00:24 < zyp> and how do you actually find the thread with the highest priority once you know what that priority is?
2017-01-17T02:03:42 < zyp> that sounds like the same memory complexity as keeping a table of indexes into the ready queue for each priority, which makes a sorted insertion O(1)
2017-01-17T02:04:31 < dongs> aandrew: leelooman never does anything thats needed
2017-01-17T02:08:18 < zyp> dongs, good morning
2017-01-17T02:08:30 < zyp> dongs, LL stuff aside, did you get people started on more arcins?
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2017-01-17T02:32:08 < PeterM> aparrently doing a hsit job of the secretly part
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2017-01-17T03:00:01 < dongs> zyp i think i got boards ordered
2017-01-17T03:00:02 < dongs> will see
2017-01-17T03:00:11 < dongs> parts after i get back
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2017-01-17T03:31:35 < ReadError> stm32 so hard atmel tryina fine me
2017-01-17T03:32:17 < stvn> haa
2017-01-17T03:33:44 < ReadError> anything cool that mouser has i need
2017-01-17T03:34:00 < stvn> same
2017-01-17T03:40:18 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/389/stspin32f0-1063269.pdf
2017-01-17T03:40:22 < ReadError> pretty interesting
2017-01-17T03:41:44 < dongs> stspin.gif
2017-01-17T03:43:30 < ReadError> LeelooMinai: for ESCs for example
2017-01-17T03:43:37 < ReadError> its perfect
2017-01-17T03:43:46 < ReadError> decent input envelope 
2017-01-17T03:44:06 < ReadError> no need to worry about vregs and trash
2017-01-17T03:44:28 < PeterM> ReadError thats very nice
2017-01-17T03:44:51 < dongs> mm, built in 12V boost too
2017-01-17T03:44:54 < dongs> spinny
2017-01-17T03:45:01 < ReadError> sitNspin
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2017-01-17T03:45:30 < ReadError> but everything integrated into that nice package is kawaii 
2017-01-17T03:46:37 < ReadError> 2.23 @ 1000qty too
2017-01-17T03:46:49 < ReadError> which isnt too bad if you are producing something
2017-01-17T03:47:03 < dongs> which of course you never do
2017-01-17T03:47:06 < stvn> meat spin
2017-01-17T03:47:10 < dongs> since you're only doing one-offs, amirite?
2017-01-17T03:47:18 < ReadError> dongs: I think DJI might be using this
2017-01-17T03:47:21 < ReadError> already
2017-01-17T03:47:24 < dongs> funny how readcloner claims to only make stuff for "himself" but always quotes like 10k qty prices
2017-01-17T03:47:27 < ReadError> waiting for cacks to get back 
2017-01-17T03:47:34 < ReadError> since he has the pics
2017-01-17T03:47:49 < ReadError> nah not making anything w/ that just saw it and thought it was interesting 
2017-01-17T03:47:58 < dongs> stvn: already made that joke
2017-01-17T03:48:01 < dongs>  < dongs> stspin.gif
2017-01-17T03:49:21 < stvn> ty
2017-01-17T03:50:10 < ReadError> i just drone to spy on my neighbors 
2017-01-17T03:50:55 < stvn> the chinese
2017-01-17T03:52:36 < ReadError> whats wrong with the noise
2017-01-17T03:52:45 < ReadError> lets people know you are ripping
2017-01-17T03:54:10 < ReadError> no I let them know im doing it, keeps them in check, fear tactics 
2017-01-17T03:54:13 < stvn> buy drone from banggood, wake up in the middle of the night and its out on a recon mission for the gooks
2017-01-17T03:54:46 < ReadError> vietnamese 
2017-01-17T03:55:56 < ReadError> chink is easier than chinaman or chinese person
2017-01-17T03:55:58 < ReadError> I guess
2017-01-17T03:56:11 < ReadError> idk
2017-01-17T03:56:59 < ReadError> words are only offensive if you let them
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2017-01-17T04:14:49 < ReadError> dongs: what offensive word is there in jap for 'white male' 
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2017-01-17T05:00:56 < upgrdman> neat  https://i.imgur.com/2vpTVPH.gifv
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2017-01-17T05:48:35 < upgrdman> R2COM, i have a 25' hdmi cable going to my 4k60 tv. use it all the time no problems.
2017-01-17T05:49:42 < upgrdman> just some random one i found a year ago: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BEW9BBW 
2017-01-17T05:50:03 < upgrdman> R2COM, that is determined by the cable. hdmi cables are passive.
2017-01-17T05:50:08 < upgrdman> is NOT*
2017-01-17T05:50:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, you idiot
2017-01-17T05:50:47 < upgrdman> im using it RIGHT NOW at 4k60
2017-01-17T05:50:52 < upgrdman> tv even confirms 60hz
2017-01-17T05:51:49 < upgrdman> longer cables just need to use thicker wires and thicker insulation IIRC
2017-01-17T05:51:55 < upgrdman> so theyre fatter, but who cares.
2017-01-17T05:52:53 < upgrdman> looks wanker but should work fine
2017-01-17T05:53:41 < upgrdman> of course
2017-01-17T05:53:51 < upgrdman> using it with my pc -> tv. 444.
2017-01-17T05:54:07 < upgrdman> R2COM, no chroma subsampling
2017-01-17T05:54:43 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, lol no. i use bluetooth audio. fuck cables.
2017-01-17T05:54:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, ya
2017-01-17T05:55:01 < upgrdman> althought might be the same for 10bit
2017-01-17T05:55:47 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-17T05:57:14 < upgrdman> R2COM, *shrugs* ive been happy. no noticable loss of quality or lag. only thing is maybe twice a year my adapter looses bind and i have to power cycle it. prolly logitech intern fucked up the firmware and it hangs after some counter overflows.
2017-01-17T06:01:28 < upgrdman> wonder if now that apple axed the headphone jack if there'll be any good bluetooth earbuds
2017-01-17T06:01:48 < upgrdman> i'd be happy to pay $80-150 for a set of legit quality wireless earbuds.
2017-01-17T06:02:06 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-17T06:02:12 < upgrdman> well either
2017-01-17T06:02:18 < upgrdman> but mainly for phone when walking
2017-01-17T06:03:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, how are pc headphone diff from phone ones
2017-01-17T06:03:14 < upgrdman> audio is audio
2017-01-17T06:03:16 < upgrdman> you faggot
2017-01-17T06:04:36 < upgrdman> R2COM, i got these in 2012 or 2013, for like $80 on nig friday  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WAHFBK/
2017-01-17T06:04:54 < upgrdman> bass is good despite earbuds
2017-01-17T06:05:10 < upgrdman> for circumaural, i like my sennheiser hd280 pros
2017-01-17T06:05:14 < upgrdman> R2COM, yes
2017-01-17T06:06:34 < upgrdman> R2COM, have you ever tried quality earbuds? theyre worlds apart for the trash bundled with phones
2017-01-17T06:09:14 < upgrdman> "rated"
2017-01-17T06:09:18 < upgrdman> you faggot
2017-01-17T06:09:48 < upgrdman> you faggot
2017-01-17T06:09:58 < upgrdman> you faggot
2017-01-17T06:10:46 < upgrdman> you faggot
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2017-01-17T06:38:34 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-17T06:38:46 < upgrdman> upgrd to gtx1080
2017-01-17T06:39:01 < upgrdman> i dont fucking no
2017-01-17T06:39:05 < upgrdman> what do you need hdcp for
2017-01-17T06:39:17 < upgrdman> pc -> 4k tv ... no need for encryption.
2017-01-17T06:39:41 < upgrdman> uhd movies from where
2017-01-17T06:39:43 < upgrdman> your hdd?
2017-01-17T06:42:14 < upgrdman> of you actually pay for stuff
2017-01-17T06:42:18 < upgrdman> oh*
2017-01-17T06:42:23 < upgrdman> hmm dunno
2017-01-17T06:42:40 < upgrdman> my tv is a smart tv so i can get 4k shitz direct on it, or via pc -> hdmi -> tv
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2017-01-17T07:08:20 < PeterM> how do colours get fucked because of hte cable
2017-01-17T07:08:29 < PeterM> isn't hdmi digital
2017-01-17T07:09:27 < PeterM> and it isnt even raw data over the hdmi either, so it cant just be a consistent, random bit flip either
2017-01-17T07:17:50 < ohsix> PaulFertser: he did, then uv cured em in place
2017-01-17T07:18:18 < ohsix> it's kind of neat / makes sense, the die is going to be small and a lot of that package is just breaking out pins
2017-01-17T07:18:25 < ohsix> so you're grinding junk off to get part of the lead frame
2017-01-17T07:18:43 < ohsix> what i'm wondering is what that particular failure was and how on earth they figured out it was those pins
2017-01-17T07:19:05 < ohsix> probably some honest chap has the datasheets and stuff
2017-01-17T07:20:26 < upgrdman> R2COM, cable works fine. it digital. that idiot prolly doesnt know what hes doing.
2017-01-17T07:20:44 < ohsix> how is r2com supposed to be able to judge such a thing
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2017-01-17T07:23:33 < jsoft> Glad I took the time to setup a Makefile + CSMIS + gcc environment, much happier and am understanding the chip more
2017-01-17T07:24:22 < jsoft> LeelooMinai, used the A6 / SystemWorkbench + Cube + HAL 
2017-01-17T07:25:01 < jsoft> Yeah but with HAL scattered everywhere
2017-01-17T07:25:11 < jsoft> ( at least generated via cube, it is )
2017-01-17T07:25:34 < jsoft> It just seemed all a bit removed and I did not get a proper feel for what was going on.
2017-01-17T07:26:16 < upgrdman> the vendor
2017-01-17T07:26:49 < jsoft> I did see a lot of people suggesting using the Cube/HAL scenario 
2017-01-17T07:27:20 < jsoft> Yeah the pinouts and what not aye
2017-01-17T07:27:41 < kOStiX> you guys heard that they are making a lower level library for the stm's
2017-01-17T07:27:44 < jsoft> Yeah I actually printed that image out for reference 
2017-01-17T07:28:19 < ReadError> Simon--: hi
2017-01-17T07:28:27 < kOStiX> yeah the LL i think 
2017-01-17T07:28:45 < jsoft> I saw a lot of that in the datasheet references and HAL libraries
2017-01-17T07:28:49 < jsoft> LL_Fo
2017-01-17T07:28:52 < jsoft> LL_Foo 
2017-01-17T07:33:10 < kOStiX> hmm i think that is not present on all cube versions
2017-01-17T07:33:18 < kOStiX> the L series seem to have that stuff
2017-01-17T07:33:52 < kOStiX> i see
2017-01-17T07:34:06 < kOStiX> i meant L as in STM32L
2017-01-17T07:34:13 < kOStiX> as oposed to STM32F
2017-01-17T07:34:21 < kOStiX> the F doesnt seem to have that 
2017-01-17T07:34:30 < kOStiX> yet at least
2017-01-17T07:35:57 < kOStiX> yah, sounds good
2017-01-17T07:40:19 < kOStiX> cool
2017-01-17T07:40:42 < kOStiX> i just been using the cube as reference
2017-01-17T07:42:52 < kOStiX> i've been playing with my synths these last days hehe
2017-01-17T07:42:52 < kOStiX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG8oPsaagH0&t=39s
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2017-01-17T07:53:52 < kOStiX> some synths i built hehe
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2017-01-17T07:54:23 < kOStiX> haha
2017-01-17T07:55:41 < kOStiX> yeah hehe must be some other tokarev
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2017-01-17T07:58:04 < kOStiX> shit, evil comp been bsoding on me latelly
2017-01-17T07:59:03 < kOStiX> but yeah i just droped my last name as the brand, unofficially
2017-01-17T08:02:16 < ohsix> upgrdman: HUR that's not undefined behaviour
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2017-01-17T08:05:46 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://github.com/apitrace/apitrace
2017-01-17T08:05:57 < ohsix> not an emulator but you can take the traces and play them back on something else
2017-01-17T08:06:04 < ohsix> like software rendering
2017-01-17T08:06:06 < kOStiX> there are some people who are interested, electronic music producers, performers
2017-01-17T08:06:16 < kOStiX> i already sold one like the wooden one
2017-01-17T08:07:29 < ohsix> upgrdman: most likely intel is just bungling it, but it's a lot of work to know for sure
2017-01-17T08:07:54 < ohsix> there are a lot of opportunities to skip initialization, nvidia probably gets free clears but that doesn't mean intel shouldn't still be doin git
2017-01-17T08:08:10 < ohsix> er, on devices with an mmu
2017-01-17T08:08:19 < ohsix> though they're p. cheap on devices without
2017-01-17T08:13:57 < zyp> hint: no
2017-01-17T08:14:36 < zyp> 4:2:2 = chroma subsampling, 4:4:4 no subsampling, chroma is full res
2017-01-17T08:15:11 < stvn> thanks
2017-01-17T08:16:21 < zyp> I'd think the 8 vs 12bit refers to the chroma/luma components themselves
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2017-01-17T08:18:07 < zyp> unless I'm mistaken, 8-bit 4:4:4 would therefore be 24b per pixel total (8 * 3) and 12-bit 4:2:2 would also be 24b per pixel average (12 + 12/2 * 2)
2017-01-17T08:18:42 < zyp> the latter would give you better luma resolution but worse chroma resolution
2017-01-17T08:19:12 < stvn> rods and cones
2017-01-17T08:21:10 < ohsix> is that drug slang
2017-01-17T08:23:01 < stvn> 420 on
2017-01-17T08:23:07 < ohsix> cones
2017-01-17T08:23:34 < ohsix> i sat down to do something and failed
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2017-01-17T08:41:20 < stvn> the local butcher
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2017-01-17T08:46:37 < stvn> and the infiniggas
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2017-01-17T09:38:41 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ctrl+ ctrl- are eclipse hot keys
2017-01-17T09:38:52 < upgrdman> well, at least in neon
2017-01-17T09:40:39 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-17T09:40:41 < upgrdman> alt-shift-a
2017-01-17T09:40:51 < upgrdman> font size is different for column mode and normal mode
2017-01-17T09:41:01 < upgrdman> its in prefs
2017-01-17T09:46:12 < sync_> ah upgrdman I found out what messed my madgwick up, I trued the thing with the mag correction in close proximity to some hard iron
2017-01-17T09:47:09 < upgrdman> sync_, lol. that's the first mistake i made
2017-01-17T09:47:23 < sync_> yeah, I was pissed of back then and just left it
2017-01-17T09:48:19 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, https://www.dvteclipse.com/documentation/e/When_I_switch_to_Block_.28Column.29_Selection_mode_the_font_changes.html#gsc.tab=0
2017-01-17T09:48:20 < sync_> worked fine with just gyro + accel and a simple lowpass
2017-01-17T09:48:20 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-17T09:48:33 < upgrdman> sync_, cool.
2017-01-17T09:48:52 < sync_> loop bandwidth sucks, but eh
2017-01-17T09:49:33 < sync_> my motorcycle is not highly dynamic compared to the imu bandwidth
2017-01-17T09:50:37 < upgrdman> sync_, whats loop bw
2017-01-17T09:51:40 < sync_> of my motorcycle?
2017-01-17T09:51:47 < sync_> something like 180°/s
2017-01-17T09:51:51 < upgrdman> no what is "loop" bw?
2017-01-17T09:51:58 < upgrdman> just response rate of the filter?
2017-01-17T09:51:59 < sync_> ah
2017-01-17T09:52:01 < sync_> yes
2017-01-17T09:52:21 < sync_> and the gimbal I have on there
2017-01-17T09:52:25 < sync_> hence loop
2017-01-17T09:52:28 < upgrdman> hmm. i never noticed it being slow.
2017-01-17T09:52:43 < upgrdman> but i dunno, i guess by robot isnt doing 180dps
2017-01-17T09:52:44 < sync_> I have some pretty heavy lpf on there as I said
2017-01-17T09:52:56 < upgrdman> before or after madg?
2017-01-17T09:53:03 < sync_> I have no madgwick
2017-01-17T09:53:30 < sync_> I just yolo the gyro into the gimbal and correct with heavily lpf'ed accel
2017-01-17T09:53:49 < sync_> it works well, but is shit
2017-01-17T09:54:29 < upgrdman> o
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2017-01-17T09:55:35 < upgrdman> i was gonna say, with madgwick i can get pretty quick pitch changes  https://youtu.be/-bQdrvSLqpg?t=50
2017-01-17T09:56:00 < sync_> I need to get an imu that does not suck hard
2017-01-17T09:56:24 < upgrdman> well at 1:09
2017-01-17T09:56:30 < upgrdman> ya me too
2017-01-17T09:56:40 < upgrdman> i used a $10 yolo china board
2017-01-17T09:57:30 < stvn> ~~
2017-01-17T09:57:39 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, both. but ya, i get ad revenue
2017-01-17T09:58:00 < upgrdman> R2COM, you fucking autistic faggot. the CABLE doesnt need to be rated for 4:4:4
2017-01-17T09:58:12 < upgrdman> are you an ardutard
2017-01-17T09:58:30 < upgrdman> how the fuck does an hdmi cable know or care about your chroma subsampling
2017-01-17T09:58:41 < PeterM> not sure fi trollign or jsut stupid
2017-01-17T09:58:47 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-01-17T09:58:49 < PeterM> possibvly both
2017-01-17T09:58:53 < sync_> or rather, the accels are usually fine but the gyros are just shit
2017-01-17T09:59:02 < stvn> very stm32 there upgrdman 
2017-01-17T09:59:04 < stvn> nice vid
2017-01-17T09:59:06 < upgrdman> R2COM, itll be fine.
2017-01-17T09:59:25 < upgrdman> bottom line, that shit no name cable i got works perfect at 4k60 444
2017-01-17T09:59:26 < sync_> I mean, mine drifts like 2°/s or some shit
2017-01-17T09:59:34 < upgrdman> ya mine too
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2017-01-17T09:59:42 < sync_> and it is random
2017-01-17T09:59:43 < upgrdman> stvn, thx
2017-01-17T10:00:01 < upgrdman> R2COM, switches have silicon in them. cables are just fucking copper
2017-01-17T10:00:25 < stvn> the dielectric does more than da coppa
2017-01-17T10:01:13 < sync_> but I'm kinda worried that even something more spendy with genuine parts is going to suck as well
2017-01-17T10:01:30 < upgrdman> R2COM, agreed.
2017-01-17T10:01:53 < upgrdman> but good lucky finding a cable maunfuckturer that'll give you an anus diagram
2017-01-17T10:02:08 < PeterM> because the eyue diagram doesnty change if the symbolrate is tyhe same
2017-01-17T10:03:23 < upgrdman> R2COM, just buy a monster cable and go fap
2017-01-17T10:03:39 < PeterM> neither of those two things are the the 4:4:4 oe 4:2:2
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2017-01-17T10:09:42 < PeterM> it is unfortunate that all the info on hdmi doesnt mention if the differences are phy level chages or mroe upper layer
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2017-01-17T10:47:08 < KolK> do you know any good implementation of deflate algorithm for stm32f4?
2017-01-17T10:55:49 < KolK> ?
2017-01-17T10:56:02 < KolK> what's OCD?
2017-01-17T10:56:26 < PeterM> a mental health issue
2017-01-17T10:57:26 < ReadError> lol
2017-01-17T10:57:43 < KolK> ok ;-) 
2017-01-17T10:58:14 < KolK> definitely no OCD, so I'll take some pc implementation :-D
2017-01-17T11:01:23 < KolK> ok, thanks :-)
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2017-01-17T11:43:35 < jadew> I'm having a slip right now, what are placeholders like * and ? called inside a path?
2017-01-17T11:43:54 < jadew> that's it
2017-01-17T11:43:55 < jadew> thanks
2017-01-17T11:44:14 < jadew> just added support for that and I didn't want to say "placeholders" in the commit message
2017-01-17T11:44:29 < jadew> I think that's a function
2017-01-17T11:44:40 < jadew> that handles wildcards
2017-01-17T11:45:01 < jadew> http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/glob.3.html
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2017-01-17T12:55:49 < stvn> good morning
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2017-01-17T13:29:33 < kakimir> can I copy full array somehow into identical size array without loop?
2017-01-17T13:30:15 < kakimir> lets say I'm lazy and I have a complex struct type with dozen of elements
2017-01-17T13:31:52 < jpa-> memcpy
2017-01-17T13:32:16 < jpa-> or if you are a cool c++ person, std::copy()
2017-01-17T13:32:42 < jpa-> of course, you can also assign structs directly
2017-01-17T13:32:55 < jpa-> so no matter how complex the struct is, it's still just one line inside the loop anyway
2017-01-17T13:37:12 < kakimir> oh memcopy
2017-01-17T13:37:27 < kakimir> now I remember
2017-01-17T13:37:50 < Steffanx> Memcpy
2017-01-17T13:38:21 < kakimir> is there tools for initializing arrays of structs?
2017-01-17T13:39:05 < jpa-> memset
2017-01-17T13:39:22 < jpa-> but only if you want to initialize to 0 like all smart people do
2017-01-17T13:40:40 < Steffanx> Any value?
2017-01-17T13:41:08 < stvn> welcome Steffanx 
2017-01-17T13:41:49 < Steffanx> Is jpa- really going self-employed or was it a joke?
2017-01-17T13:42:27 < kakimir> jpa-: binary 0 or decimal 0 ?
2017-01-17T13:42:50 < kakimir> are those the same :/
2017-01-17T13:42:52 < kakimir> I think
2017-01-17T13:42:53 < jpa-> Steffanx: well in reality i'm going home-daddy but i'll try to find a few hours a week to steal people's monies also
2017-01-17T13:43:04 < jpa-> kakimir: trinary 0
2017-01-17T13:43:05 < stvn> nice
2017-01-17T13:43:14 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: I trink I go C sharp next
2017-01-17T13:43:15 < stvn> stealing is fun
2017-01-17T13:44:08 < Steffanx> Oh. Why? Won the lottery?
2017-01-17T13:44:35 < Steffanx> Hello stvn. Did i do a good job ignoring you?
2017-01-17T13:44:52 < stvn> Yes
2017-01-17T13:45:09 < Steffanx> C99 <3 leeloo
2017-01-17T13:45:54 < jpa-> Steffanx: nah, babies need a person to take care of them and the estimate is that it'll work out better for both balance in relationship and also for income if i'm the one staying at home
2017-01-17T13:46:36 < ReadError> thats ballin
2017-01-17T13:46:42 < Steffanx> Wife must have a good job then. Better paid than an engineer
2017-01-17T13:46:42 < ReadError> wish i had a sugarmomma
2017-01-17T13:46:52 < ReadError> that let me just IRC and blog procore all day
2017-01-17T13:46:57 < stvn> lol
2017-01-17T13:47:30 < Steffanx> Now i expect at least 1 essenstials crap blog every month jpa- :)
2017-01-17T13:47:38 < stvn> lol
2017-01-17T13:48:03 < stvn> Steffanx, you gotta buy a subscription now
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2017-01-17T13:48:19 < ReadError> stvn: i rolled sunday for 1st time in longtime, it was tight 
2017-01-17T13:48:23 < Steffanx> You should finish your ultrasonic underwater communication project
2017-01-17T13:48:52 < stvn> the wa t
2017-01-17T13:49:05 < Steffanx> Jpa- knows all about it.
2017-01-17T13:49:13 < stvn> k
2017-01-17T13:50:10 < ReadError> I need to find a decent ultrasonic transducer, something with some unf
2017-01-17T13:51:05 < jpa-> Steffanx: finland has this funny kind of taxation where it is much better for 2 people to earn a little than 1 person to earn a lot
2017-01-17T13:51:22 < jpa-> so because i can have some side income while being at home, it makes sense to do it that way
2017-01-17T13:52:20 < stvn> sounds alright
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2017-01-17T13:52:34 < jpa-> wife's gross pay is a lot smaller than what i get currently
2017-01-17T13:54:06 < jpa-> (though she is an engineer also)
2017-01-17T13:55:31 < stvn> what kind of money making activities are you thinking of
2017-01-17T13:56:51 < BrainDamage> pumping live streaming
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2017-01-17T13:57:32 < kakimir> Deluminate addon saved my eyes
2017-01-17T13:57:38 < kakimir> for chrome
2017-01-17T13:57:43 < ReadError> you pump for the love of pumping, not for profit.
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2017-01-17T13:57:53 < kakimir> I used to have only dark youtube
2017-01-17T13:57:57 < jpa-> stvn: plain old freelancing
2017-01-17T13:58:42 < kakimir> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/material-simple-dark-grey/ookepigabmicjpgfnmncjiplegcacdbm also this
2017-01-17T13:59:34 < kakimir> this is so pleasant
2017-01-17T14:00:02 < kakimir> 13:57 < kakimir> Deluminate addon saved my eyes
2017-01-17T14:01:32 < ReadError> ehh gross
2017-01-17T14:01:36 < ReadError> it just inverts the color
2017-01-17T14:01:54 < ReadError> its black
2017-01-17T14:02:07 < ReadError> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/FepWqPsv2eKf2yThj_-KV2_iAhegRFYUSfoOZfR7MjhzGehmriYuKk0_OVzpLZOl3FApQq7i1Q=s640-h400-e365-rw
2017-01-17T14:02:24 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYk1YWXlBLUtMdms/view?usp=sharing LeelooMinai 
2017-01-17T14:02:28 < ReadError> might as well use f.lux
2017-01-17T14:03:03 < kakimir> ReadError: I have it down by 2-3 steps and backlight is also minimized
2017-01-17T14:03:31 < kakimir> sunlite readable panel
2017-01-17T14:03:39 < ReadError> get some Gunnars 
2017-01-17T14:03:58 < ReadError> they help w/ eyestrain 
2017-01-17T14:04:23 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-17T14:04:30 < ReadError> computer glasses
2017-01-17T14:04:43 < ReadError> http://www.gunnars.com/
2017-01-17T14:05:09 < kakimir> I actually have money
2017-01-17T14:05:18 < kakimir> and I want to be cool
2017-01-17T14:05:46 < kakimir> how to be cooler than to have sunglasses just for coding?
2017-01-17T14:06:40 < kakimir> display has flicker under 50% brightness so I can set briggtness above 50
2017-01-17T14:07:48 < ReadError> convert it to DC
2017-01-17T14:07:52 < ReadError> scrub
2017-01-17T14:08:09 < stvn> dc mate
2017-01-17T14:08:50 < kakimir> some hack?
2017-01-17T14:09:35 < ReadError> sure some hax required
2017-01-17T14:09:54 < kakimir> okay I'm not paying usd80 for coding glasses
2017-01-17T14:10:27 < stvn> wow
2017-01-17T14:10:31 < stvn> what are coding glasses
2017-01-17T14:10:35 < kakimir> I need to buy aviators too .. butts stress on my economy
2017-01-17T14:10:56 < kakimir> ^ above
2017-01-17T14:13:17 < stvn> rofl
2017-01-17T14:13:20 < stvn> ANIME glasses
2017-01-17T14:13:21 < stvn> wtf
2017-01-17T14:14:10 < BrainDamage> get anime contact lenses https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1493614110024534601.jpg
2017-01-17T14:14:32 < kakimir> they don't judge - anime fans have money too
2017-01-17T14:15:07 < stvn> well yeah they're not into 3DPD
2017-01-17T14:15:13 < ReadError> i have some and i never watch anime 
2017-01-17T14:15:29 < ReadError> i only wear them if my eyes are feeling tired/strained
2017-01-17T14:15:57 < stvn> i was talking about the model of glasses on their site named ANIME
2017-01-17T14:16:40 < kakimir> because cool anime characters always have those glasses
2017-01-17T14:16:45 < stvn> ok
2017-01-17T14:16:47 < kakimir> you want to become anime
2017-01-17T14:16:51 < stvn> oh
2017-01-17T14:18:16 < ReadError> hah i knew it, the bitch trump picked as education secretary, her family donated 2.25mil
2017-01-17T14:18:18 < Laurenceb_> hello
2017-01-17T14:18:30 < ReadError> err 4mil overall
2017-01-17T14:18:33 < Laurenceb_> today I tried Omegle
2017-01-17T14:18:38 < stvn> oksu
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2017-01-17T14:18:53 < Laurenceb_> feels bad man, first time I've been insulted by a naked camwhore
2017-01-17T14:19:07 < Laurenceb_> and told to tidy my room
2017-01-17T14:19:07 < kakimir> :)
2017-01-17T14:19:15 < jadew> what's omegle?
2017-01-17T14:19:24 < ReadError> did anyone call you harry potter?
2017-01-17T14:19:27 < kakimir> strangers meet in webcam chat
2017-01-17T14:19:32 < jadew> why did she know what your room looks like?
2017-01-17T14:19:39 < jadew> she watches you masturbate in return?
2017-01-17T14:19:40 < kakimir> and everybody are naked
2017-01-17T14:19:44 < jadew> oh
2017-01-17T14:19:48 < jadew> that's fucked up
2017-01-17T14:19:49 < Laurenceb_> you have to have webcam to join
2017-01-17T14:19:50 < ReadError> most dudes
2017-01-17T14:19:52 < kakimir> jadew: :D
2017-01-17T14:20:04 < jpa-> next time, show her your code
2017-01-17T14:20:09 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2017-01-17T14:20:10 < jadew> haha
2017-01-17T14:20:38 < stvn> uncle /b/
2017-01-17T14:21:59 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7txF-qnXpl4 trance music times
2017-01-17T14:22:08 < Laurenceb_> one underage looking whore called me daddy
2017-01-17T14:22:21 < Laurenceb_> but I quit fast to avoid Chris Hanson
2017-01-17T14:22:21 < jpa-> how did you know they are whores?
2017-01-17T14:22:24 < kakimir> you were effectivelly watchin CP
2017-01-17T14:22:42 < Laurenceb_> jpa-: cuz Omegle
2017-01-17T14:23:13 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: what does that make you?
2017-01-17T14:23:27 < Laurenceb_> a pervert
2017-01-17T14:23:33 < Laurenceb_> but I knew that already
2017-01-17T14:23:47 < stvn> it probably was his latest investigation
2017-01-17T14:23:50 < jadew> it looks like they have a rule to "keep it clean"
2017-01-17T14:24:00 < jadew> do you tidy up before going online?
2017-01-17T14:24:01 < Laurenceb_> jadew: epin lul
2017-01-17T14:24:19 < Laurenceb_> no my room looks like a crack den
2017-01-17T14:24:30 < stvn> same
2017-01-17T14:24:35 < stvn> i got fucken stm32
2017-01-17T14:24:39 < stvn> and shit mate
2017-01-17T14:24:41 < Laurenceb_> I was hoping to find Lacey Green, but no luck
2017-01-17T14:24:46 < kakimir> it's because you do meth Laurenceb_ ?
2017-01-17T14:25:01 < jadew> my room looks much better now than it used to look like 10 years ago
2017-01-17T14:25:05 < Laurenceb_> not at the moment, maybe I should try that next
2017-01-17T14:25:05 < stvn> if they spot my stm32disco board they'll think its a detonator
2017-01-17T14:25:15 < Laurenceb_> I'm planning to try all the crazy shit
2017-01-17T14:25:31 < stvn> uggh
2017-01-17T14:25:34 < stvn> don't do meth lol
2017-01-17T14:25:53 < Laurenceb_> but yeah, Omegle is crossed off my list of cool crazy shit, the whores are very arrogant
2017-01-17T14:25:58 < kakimir> someone said me that do everything but crack
2017-01-17T14:26:25 < stvn> Laurenceb_, it's only because you can dickslap or shoot them through the screen
2017-01-17T14:26:30 < stvn> *can't
2017-01-17T14:26:43 < kakimir> ís crack like meth or what+
2017-01-17T14:27:02 < stvn> don't think so
2017-01-17T14:27:08 < stvn> it's some form of cocaine apparently
2017-01-17T14:27:35 < stvn> i've never met anyone in australia who was smoking the crack
2017-01-17T14:27:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/2xf8gs/laci_green_hypocrite/
2017-01-17T14:28:14 < Laurenceb_> ironically probably the most reasonable person on there
2017-01-17T14:29:08 < jadew> I like her tits
2017-01-17T14:29:21 < stvn> idkwtf thats about
2017-01-17T14:29:29 < Laurenceb> enjoy ur mormonism
2017-01-17T14:29:45 < stvn> but okay
2017-01-17T14:29:52 < Laurenceb> e-celeb mormon radical feminist
2017-01-17T14:29:53 < kakimir> stvn: the point apparently is that all australians do a tonne of drugs? but not crack
2017-01-17T14:30:00 < stvn> idk
2017-01-17T14:30:21 < stvn> sorry got sidetracked trying to analyse wtf 4chan is
2017-01-17T14:30:39 < Laurenceb> most of my time as undergrad I was so high I can't remember it now :(
2017-01-17T14:31:13 < stvn> what did they give you?
2017-01-17T14:31:14 < jadew> stvn, https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Laci_Green
2017-01-17T14:31:20 < stvn> hmm
2017-01-17T14:31:28 < stvn> any pics of her dirty snatch?
2017-01-17T14:31:29 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ChDDLTdR4
2017-01-17T14:31:38 < Laurenceb_> stvn: take a cold shower now
2017-01-17T14:31:40 < kakimir> not bad looking bidz
2017-01-17T14:32:21 < kakimir> oh well
2017-01-17T14:32:26 < stvn> lol
2017-01-17T14:32:44 < stvn> rofl Laurenceb_ !
2017-01-17T14:32:49 < stvn> i remember that one quite well!
2017-01-17T14:33:33 < Laurenceb_> yes but this is still all true https://encyclopediadramatica.se/David_Firth
2017-01-17T14:35:01 < stvn> haha
2017-01-17T14:35:13 < stvn> never thought of looking him up on that
2017-01-17T14:35:58 < Laurenceb_> Devvo and Bezzin was funny
2017-01-17T14:36:24 < stvn> smackeads
2017-01-17T14:37:05 < ReadError> they do a lot of meth in the au
2017-01-17T14:37:12 < stvn> seems like it
2017-01-17T14:37:44 < stvn> i know of one person, who i don't talk to anymore
2017-01-17T14:39:43 < stvn> the blown capacitor
2017-01-17T14:40:28 < stvn> stm32 anyway.
2017-01-17T14:41:14 < ReadError> is that like blowing an oring?
2017-01-17T14:44:00 < Laurenceb_> grr F1 RTC is annoying
2017-01-17T14:44:18 < Laurenceb_> I suspect my issues are due to the way LSERDY works
2017-01-17T14:44:36 < Laurenceb_> After the LSEON bit is cleared, LSERDY goes low after 6 external low-speed oscillator clock cycles
2017-01-17T14:44:54 < Laurenceb_> so if LSE is intermittently failing it just stays low
2017-01-17T14:48:11 < Laurenceb_> and its read only
2017-01-17T14:48:15 < Laurenceb_> wtf reeeeeeeeee
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2017-01-17T14:52:17 < Laurenceb_> I guess its probably possible to solve this with a state machine, but it'd be nice to have a continual oscillator self test function
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2017-01-17T16:11:03 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/FkxEV15?r
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2017-01-17T16:13:35 < jadew> heh, funny that came up
2017-01-17T16:13:47 < jadew> I tried to watch it last week and gave up after the first episode
2017-01-17T16:14:03 < jadew> that big comment got it right, smart characters written stupidly
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2017-01-17T16:14:50 < Laurenceb_> I watched about 30 seconds before facepalming
2017-01-17T16:15:32 < jadew> I had to watch it all, didn't have anything else to watch
2017-01-17T16:15:41 < Laurenceb_> lul murica is airdropping supplies to Assad forces
2017-01-17T16:15:44 < jadew> and I was eating, so it had to be a show
2017-01-17T16:15:50 < Laurenceb_> the Trumpening begins
2017-01-17T16:16:07 < jadew> link?
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2017-01-17T16:16:24 < Laurenceb> according to http://syria.liveuamap.com/
2017-01-17T16:16:53 < Laurenceb> they were attacking FSA earlier
2017-01-17T16:17:26  * Laurenceb_ wonders if they have a random number "who do we attack today" generator
2017-01-17T16:18:40 < kakimir> in 64bit hey
2017-01-17T16:18:50 < kakimir> is pointers in program 32bit?
2017-01-17T16:18:56 < kakimir> by default
2017-01-17T16:19:03 < kakimir> windows
2017-01-17T16:21:43 < Laurenceb_> damn time to leave the UK  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/17/lords_wants_more_details_on_p0rn_check_plans/
2017-01-17T16:22:17 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: arent they now logging your entire internet history?
2017-01-17T16:22:32 < Laurenceb_> no, they can't work out how to do it
2017-01-17T16:22:40 < Laurenceb_>  _slight_ issue
2017-01-17T16:22:54 < ReadError> lol whys that
2017-01-17T16:23:09 < kakimir> I just try to print pointer value
2017-01-17T16:23:11 < Laurenceb_> too much data, ISPs don't get paid either
2017-01-17T16:23:23 < kakimir> I may need to cast it in some format
2017-01-17T16:23:27 < Laurenceb_> there are massive arguments about it aiui
2017-01-17T16:23:34 < englishman> which retarded microsoft intern came up with Aero Shake
2017-01-17T16:24:37 < kakimir> "Function Pointers can have very different sizes, from 4 to 20 Bytes on an X86 machine, depending on the compiler. So the answer is NO - sizes can vary."
2017-01-17T16:24:43 < sync_> lel Laurenceb_
2017-01-17T16:24:59 < sync_> if they are not paying the isps that is just not happening
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2017-01-17T16:25:53 < jadew> englishman, don't know, I hate it too
2017-01-17T16:26:06 < englishman> and you need Pro to turn it off
2017-01-17T16:27:37 < ReadError> I only run Ultimate, *fedora tip*
2017-01-17T16:28:00 < jadew> not sure which one I have, it's either Pro or Ultimate
2017-01-17T16:28:24 < jadew> I'm still on linux atm
2017-01-17T16:28:27 < jadew> getting comfy
2017-01-17T16:31:44 < jsoft> Hmmm
2017-01-17T16:31:55 < englishman> jadew: if you thought sherlock was horrible, dont try dr who
2017-01-17T16:32:01 < englishman> even with the angry guy from the thick of it
2017-01-17T16:32:05 < englishman> brit tv is horrible
2017-01-17T16:32:14 < englishman> oh
2017-01-17T16:32:15 < englishman> ReadError: 
2017-01-17T16:32:26 < englishman> https://www.seekingarrangement.com/browse/members/sugar-baby-male/
2017-01-17T16:32:30 < englishman> just sign up here
2017-01-17T16:32:47 < jsoft> What do you guys think of using the CSISM bit definitions, vs setting using a commented hex value ? Ie set all the bits in one go 
2017-01-17T16:32:54 < jsoft> for registers and what not I mean
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2017-01-17T16:33:06 < englishman> jsoft: usually this makes for horrible readability and reusability
2017-01-17T16:33:17 < englishman> cmsis headers makes it easy to do the same thing and make it readable
2017-01-17T16:33:27 < Laurenceb_> oh shit sugar daddies
2017-01-17T16:33:42 < Laurenceb_> the one crazy as thit thing I haven't tried yet
2017-01-17T16:33:54 < jsoft> englishman, yeah I guess. Im using those headers now, but just curious 
2017-01-17T16:34:21 < Laurenceb_> epin lulz http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35437118
2017-01-17T16:34:29 < englishman> i mean, which would you prefer to stumble on in someone elses code (someone else could also be YOU, two years past)
2017-01-17T16:34:41 < englishman> 0x402845750 = 0x8923FF60;
2017-01-17T16:34:42 < englishman> or
2017-01-17T16:34:48 < englishman> RCC->HSE = HSE_ON;
2017-01-17T16:35:06 < Laurenceb_> heh sounds like the stuff I've seen
2017-01-17T16:35:08 < jsoft> englishman, I was referring to the value on the right only, still RCC->WHATEVER = 0x000000
2017-01-17T16:35:11 < Laurenceb_> hundreds of lines of hex
2017-01-17T16:35:17 < englishman> same thing, isnt it?
2017-01-17T16:35:19 < jsoft> no
2017-01-17T16:35:23 < englishman> requires a trip to the data sheet and amth
2017-01-17T16:35:29 < jsoft> Which should be done anyway
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2017-01-17T16:35:35 < jsoft> Surely?
2017-01-17T16:35:40 < englishman> RCC->HSE = HSE_ON;
2017-01-17T16:35:42 < englishman> is all you need
2017-01-17T16:35:51 < englishman> why bother hunting for pdf
2017-01-17T16:36:00 < jsoft> hmm
2017-01-17T16:39:48 < jsoft> Im hungry
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2017-01-17T16:48:55 < jadew> englishman: I tried dr who several times
2017-01-17T16:49:08 < jadew> I must be missing something that everyone else isn't because I couldn't get into it
2017-01-17T16:49:34 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief
2017-01-17T16:49:38 < englishman> there is nothing to miss, it's horrible
2017-01-17T16:49:54 < BrainDamage> but yes, dr who is terrible
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2017-01-17T16:49:58 < Laurenceb_> its pure concentrated autism
2017-01-17T16:50:42 < Laurenceb_> original dr who was good in same way that birdemic is good
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2017-01-17T17:05:20 < jadew> about the sherlock show - I started watching it after seeing it's in the top 10 tv shows
2017-01-17T17:05:38 < jadew> that's right after I said there's still hope for humanity because 2 science shows were in top 10 too
2017-01-17T17:06:05 < jadew> but I'm not sure anymore
2017-01-17T17:07:47 < Steffanx> I liked it. Not everything, but most episodes were pretty watchable imho
2017-01-17T17:08:10 < jadew> not the first one
2017-01-17T17:08:19 < jadew> "who could it be?"
2017-01-17T17:08:22 < aandrew> dr who alwasy freaked me out as a kid
2017-01-17T17:08:38 < aandrew> the theme music and the "travelling down an esophagus" visual scared me
2017-01-17T17:08:41 < jadew> after they heavily hinted that it's the fucking cab driver since the beginning of the episode
2017-01-17T17:09:03 < Steffanx> I was talking about sherlock btw. Never watched dr who.
2017-01-17T17:09:11 < jadew> me too
2017-01-17T17:09:18 < jadew> dr who is just fantasy crap
2017-01-17T17:09:30 < jadew> and it's not even well done
2017-01-17T17:09:31 < Steffanx> There are two versions of the pilot. Original was much better imho
2017-01-17T17:09:40 < Laurenceb_> typical dr who fanboy http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4b0_1484626788
2017-01-17T17:09:44 < jadew> oh, maybe I should have started with that
2017-01-17T17:09:52 < Steffanx> Original = first one.
2017-01-17T17:10:14 < englishman> i only watch captain scarlet and the mysterons
2017-01-17T17:10:24 < Steffanx> The what?
2017-01-17T17:11:19 < Laurenceb_> heh best show ever
2017-01-17T17:11:26 < englishman> ^
2017-01-17T17:12:17 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ is mentally ill.. Nuff said.
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2017-01-17T17:46:28 < Laurenceb_> http://poal.me/tfflgx
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2017-01-17T18:04:51 < jsoft> Hmm. I Write to a USARTs TDR, but TC is never being set
2017-01-17T18:05:05 < jsoft> Any ideas what might be going on ?
2017-01-17T18:11:54 < Steffanx> Enabled clock(s) 
2017-01-17T18:12:40 < Steffanx> ?
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2017-01-17T18:20:39 < jsoft> Yeah
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2017-01-17T18:30:08 < jsoft> Hmm
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2017-01-17T18:30:13 < jsoft> Myserious
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2017-01-17T18:37:56 < kakimir> typedef inside function definition doesn't cause any errors to go off at the moment is it okay to have it there?
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2017-01-17T19:11:58 < kakimir> can I mute all warnings when including windows.h
2017-01-17T19:11:59 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-17T19:12:12 < kakimir> list is endless
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2017-01-17T19:39:24 < kakimir> anyone interested to learn computational fluid dynamics?
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2017-01-17T19:52:09 < kakimir> http://paste.dy.fi/Hi9 including intristic functions
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2017-01-17T19:54:20 < kakimir> I don't have a clue what is going on there
2017-01-17T20:06:32 < kakimir> maybe intrin functions are not to be pointed to
2017-01-17T20:07:17 < kakimir> because like.. not a function but an instruction
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2017-01-17T20:11:08 < Kliment> kakimir: I'm just back from disobey, it was a strange event
2017-01-17T20:16:52 < kakimir> you make it sound like you were tripping
2017-01-17T20:17:44 < Kliment> kakimir: Nah, it was just that it was marketed like it was along the lines of black hat
2017-01-17T20:18:04 < Kliment> kakimir: And black hat is full of people who were kicked out of def con for being dicks
2017-01-17T20:18:20 < Kliment> kakimir: So i expected the worst, but disobey was full of really nice people
2017-01-17T20:22:20 < Kliment> kakimir: I don't know about tripping, I mean the network traffic visualization globe was somewhat trippy but beyond that most of the tripping was due to badly placed network wires
2017-01-17T20:23:41 < kakimir> you have any idea why I get these errors Kliment ?
2017-01-17T20:24:48 < Kliment> kakimir: You're linking stuff twice
2017-01-17T20:26:22 < kakimir> I see that
2017-01-17T20:26:29 < kakimir> but why it happens
2017-01-17T20:30:19 < kakimir> 1>Testiplattis.obj : error LNK2005: "char const * __cdecl param_coding_error_text_desc(int)" (?param_coding_error_text_desc@@YAPEBDH@Z) already defined in decimal2string.obj
2017-01-17T20:30:22 < kakimir> 1>Testiplattis.obj : error LNK2005: "char const * __cdecl param_coding_error_text_name(int)" (?param_coding_error_text_name@@YAPEBDH@Z) already defined in decimal2string.obj
2017-01-17T20:30:32 < kakimir> there is also these that are from another file
2017-01-17T20:31:03 < kakimir> is there some visual studio trick that I don't know about?
2017-01-17T20:31:58 < kakimir> I just write the project without really touching any properties but optimize if needed
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2017-01-17T20:40:51 < kakimir> You could declare the variables as extern in the header file, and then define them in a single source file. Or you could declare the variables as const in the header file and then the compiler and linker will manage it.
2017-01-17T20:40:59 < kakimir> hmm okay
2017-01-17T20:44:39 < psprint> My stm32f767 will arrive tomorrow, what should I use for development, some IDE etc. ?
2017-01-17T20:45:36 < kakimir> oh I see
2017-01-17T20:45:46 < BrainDamage> os?
2017-01-17T20:45:51 < kakimir> these things causing errors are all defined in header
2017-01-17T20:46:02 < kakimir> I thought it was okay to define in header too
2017-01-17T20:46:10 < kakimir> but bad
2017-01-17T20:46:39 < psprint> OS X
2017-01-17T20:46:58 < kakimir> even setting function pointer as declared was assumeably bad
2017-01-17T20:50:08 < Kliment> kakimir: Can I see your source?
2017-01-17T20:50:48 < BrainDamage> standard lunix shit should work, gcc and open obsessive compulsive disorder works, and you can use any ide you want with those, from vim to eclipse to cat
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2017-01-17T20:55:27 < psprint> BrainDamage: how about debugging? I had an impression that the hardware includes debugger.. Earlier had impression than to debug one needs specifical hardware. Didn't dive into this yet
2017-01-17T20:55:52 < Steffanx> Does your mother ever look weird at you when you talk out loud like this kakimir?
2017-01-17T20:59:19 < BrainDamage> psprint: if you bought a discovery board,it includes a debug bridge hw, openocd talks with it and provides a gdb remote bridge you can connect to from reg gdb
2017-01-17T20:59:20 < BrainDamage> the same hw bridge allows flashing and it's referred as "stlink"
2017-01-17T21:01:20 < psprint> thanks, checked now that the board NUCLEO-F429ZI has "debuger / programmer ST-LINK/V2-1"
2017-01-17T21:03:08 < Steffanx> didnt you say f767?
2017-01-17T21:04:06 < psprint> GOD I ordered wrong board
2017-01-17T21:04:40 < Steffanx> uh what did you order and what did you want to order?
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2017-01-17T21:06:00 < psprint> THANK GOD Farnell email says I clicked "NUCLEO-F767ZI", two similar boards completed in Firefox address line, both cost the same price (1 PLN, polish money, amount 1 difference)
2017-01-17T21:11:44 < psprint> so it's like can't wait to have it, installing IDE etc. instead :)
2017-01-17T21:15:21 < BrainDamage> spend thetime evaluating the different hal libs
2017-01-17T21:15:44 < BrainDamage> and then go full sperg on the channel how they suck due to various reasons
2017-01-17T21:16:37 < BrainDamage> add some random imageboard links, and some random trolling and you'll be a perfect ##stm32 denizen
2017-01-17T21:18:02 < psprint> I've earlier downloaded an ambilight project code, first impression is that there are many files, while it should be just: receive line of pixels from DCMI, downscale, next
2017-01-17T21:18:05 < Steffanx> What BrainDamage actually tries to say is: don't go blaxter.
2017-01-17T21:19:17 < psprint> no blaxter word in urban dictionaries (quite weird)
2017-01-17T21:19:42 < Steffanx> Mr. blaxter is our channel troll aka Laurenceb
2017-01-17T21:20:39 < psprint> ahso :)
2017-01-17T21:20:40 < BrainDamage> the first thing you should learn is how to compile and how to flash the demos, then the library of choice to do a blinker ( it's the hello world of embedded ) and the linker scripts for the memory offsets
2017-01-17T21:21:11 < BrainDamage> then move to arduino, make a blog post, and get 50k followers
2017-01-17T21:23:28 < Steffanx> lol BrainDamage. I like how you follow your own "way of life". First you go useful (Brains) and then you destroy it all (Damage).
2017-01-17T21:24:07 < psprint> I was disappointed with arduino, did a project: distance meter on room's door, LED wave getting faster as one approaches. Battery lasted 3 hours. Checked the current and it was 15 mA with no LED wave. Only later found that 15 mA is quiescent current of the distance metter. Did a full research and another meter had 2mA, cost $28 so quite much, and also found TI MSP430 FRAM uC to be supreme in power
2017-01-17T21:24:10 < psprint> consumption, but dropped the project
2017-01-17T21:26:01 < BrainDamage> I have a msp430 somewhere, it's just too niche, you have to use their custom forked gcc, it has 16 bit arch, and there were quite a few oddities, atm it's as good as a doorstop
2017-01-17T21:38:41 < Emil> BrainDamage: eh? Using some other branch gcc is not a problem
2017-01-17T21:41:06 < BrainDamage> yes and no, I have some custom patches to gcc and applying to their version without scm is kind of annoying
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2017-01-17T22:00:27 < kakimir> Kliment: I rather not show it
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2017-01-17T22:22:26 < Kliment> kakimir: Alright
2017-01-17T22:39:02 < Steffanx> Does mr Kliment go to fosdem as well?
2017-01-17T22:39:05 < Steffanx> -as well
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2017-01-17T22:45:23 < Rickta59> it is main streamed now BrainDamage 
2017-01-17T22:45:40 < Rickta59> has been for a couple of years actually
2017-01-17T22:46:18 < BrainDamage> ah, it's quite a while since I've last used it
2017-01-17T22:46:42 < BrainDamage> unless you consider the doorstop usage
2017-01-17T22:47:19 < Rickta59> i like them but .. it is cheaper to buy stm32s from china
2017-01-17T22:47:25 < Steffanx> Doesn't it scratch the floor terribly, or is it inside a box BrainDamage?
2017-01-17T22:48:20 < Rickta59> the CCS development environment they used to charge real money for is now free .. of course after I don't care about it
2017-01-17T22:48:30 < BrainDamage> hard tiles floor
2017-01-17T22:49:21 < Rickta59> the can make a nice adjustable oscillator for bizarro frequencies
2017-01-17T22:51:11 < Rickta59> once they store.ti.com got rid of free shipping i cared less about them
2017-01-17T22:52:54 < Kliment> Steffanx: Wasn't planning to
2017-01-17T22:53:06 < Kliment> Steffanx: Too much stuff going on right now
2017-01-17T22:53:24 < Kliment> Steffanx: But my friend Ruben will be there
2017-01-17T22:53:25 < Steffanx> Ach so.
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2017-01-17T23:08:26 < upgrdman> heh neat. the newest note5 update added the ability to turn up the flashlight brightnes
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2017-01-17T23:12:50 < kakimir> printf("Nested Loop Chain Next Address: 0x%016x\n", ((uint64_t)(nested_loop_digits_initial[i].next)));
2017-01-17T23:13:01 < kakimir> says
2017-01-17T23:13:02 < kakimir> rintf' : format string '%016x' requires an argument of type 'unsigned int', but variadic argument 1 has type 'uint64_t'
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2017-01-17T23:17:05 < qyx> and %016lx?
2017-01-17T23:17:28 < qyx> or maybe llx
2017-01-17T23:17:39 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-17T23:17:53 < kakimir> did the trick
2017-01-17T23:18:06 < kakimir> is just x okay for 16bit and 32bit?
2017-01-17T23:18:13 < kakimir> doesn't say anything about it
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2017-01-17T23:21:57 < kakimir> I butt hx and lx in there
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2017-01-17T23:23:15 < kakimir> compiler says concider using x
2017-01-17T23:23:22 < kakimir> and I32x
2017-01-17T23:23:48 < kakimir> inttypes is a whole little thing of it's own
2017-01-17T23:23:59 < kakimir> to learn
2017-01-17T23:32:17 < Fleck> hmm, can one rotate display using ltdc? Like landscape/portrait ?
2017-01-17T23:46:38 < englishman> dongs answered this yesterday in a DMA2D question
2017-01-17T23:47:01 < kakimir> what was the answer?
2017-01-17T23:47:51 < aandrew> yes
2017-01-17T23:47:55 < aandrew> the answer was yes
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2017-01-17T23:57:30 < kakimir> sounds like expensive operation
--- Day changed Wed Jan 18 2017
2017-01-18T00:02:31 < kakimir> hmm
2017-01-18T00:03:01 < kakimir> so CLZ instruction is not base10 but base2
2017-01-18T00:03:13 < kakimir> is there anything for base10?
2017-01-18T00:03:20 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, are .f files specific to SVeditor? never seem them used by other tools.
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2017-01-18T00:35:26 < psprint> From where to install GCC toolchain on OS X?
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2017-01-18T00:38:23 < psprint> the IDE topic is surprisingly diverse and non-definitive, doing gcc+vim might be the most clarified choice
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2017-01-18T00:50:43 < psprint> well that sounds like something I would want
2017-01-18T00:57:00 < psprint> looks like option without problems is eclipse based openstm32
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2017-01-18T01:01:28 < psprint> a blog post says about the IDE: "Hit “Next” and check the box “Hardware Abstraction Layer”. If you don’t have it installed yet, it will prompt you to install it."
2017-01-18T01:01:57 < psprint> how this sound is that I would have to learn about manually including HAL in project
2017-01-18T01:05:58 < psprint> After a month I'll probably learn that "installing HAL" means copying some 1 or 2 directories and that's all, but I probably won't avoid going through Eclipse first, and well, maybe it's not a loss, to see one IDE and what's it capable of
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2017-01-18T01:18:10 < psprint> lol I've unpacked the installer but issuing "open instal...app" in terminal shows message that the program is corrupted and "move it into trash"
2017-01-18T01:20:58 < psprint> not seeing hash files, will try to redownload, although if it would be download problem then tar jxf should report it first
2017-01-18T01:29:33 < psprint> no luck
2017-01-18T01:29:38 < psprint> LeelooMinai: do you use CubeMX?
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2017-01-18T01:53:09 < englishman> nice, $AMD down below $10 again
2017-01-18T01:55:26 < englishman> i guess people remembered no matter how gr8 the card is, drivers will always stink
2017-01-18T01:55:41 < upgrdman> did you short those fuckers
2017-01-18T01:56:06 < englishman> no, but im not holding any either
2017-01-18T02:07:57 < PeterM> so... any predictions for zen?
2017-01-18T02:13:27 < upgrdman> the vm tech?
2017-01-18T02:22:03 < aandrew> englishman: heh
2017-01-18T02:22:12 < aandrew> I've got a contract to help build out those drivers (and the pro stack too)
2017-01-18T02:22:20 < PeterM> upgrdman nah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(microarchitecture)
2017-01-18T02:23:15 < englishman> nice aandrew thanks for the insider info, plz keep me informed
2017-01-18T02:23:34 < aandrew> I'm going there friday to get the security badge and shit
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2017-01-18T02:31:37 < upgrdman> iirc the linux bros were bitching out AMDs shit kernel drivers
2017-01-18T02:31:46 < upgrdman> people got all butt hurt, etc.
2017-01-18T02:32:09 < stvn> freeloaders
2017-01-18T02:33:20 < aandrew> https://play.spotify.com/album/0UYbIi7VoMoAqpq5RjLTcj
2017-01-18T02:33:22 < aandrew> wtf
2017-01-18T02:35:33 < stvn> cuckify
2017-01-18T02:36:05 < stvn> STM32
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2017-01-18T03:04:32 < aandrew> oh wow, digikey's free shipping limit is now $100 in .ca
2017-01-18T03:08:21 < stvn> mousers is like ~50aud here
2017-01-18T03:16:23 < aandrew> someone was saying mouser was CAD$100 for free shipping
2017-01-18T03:16:31 < aandrew> I always thought it was $200 and never next day anyway
2017-01-18T03:17:06 < aandrew> nope $100, just went and checked
2017-01-18T03:17:11 < aandrew> unless they just moved to match digikey
2017-01-18T03:17:16 < aandrew> but they still don't ship next day like digikey
2017-01-18T03:18:23 < stvn> its digital
2017-01-18T03:25:03 < PeterM> stvn dk is notw $50-60 here aswell
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2017-01-18T03:25:40 < stvn> fuck yeah
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2017-01-18T03:30:51 < upgrdman> heh, mouser and digikey dont seem to offer free shipping to the usa. wtf, and they're in the usa. those faggots.
2017-01-18T03:31:18 < stvn> ring up and complain
2017-01-18T03:32:57 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ya, spoiled. i guess living in a first-world country is "spoiled" ;)
2017-01-18T03:35:00 < Simon--> isn't it free over some amount? it's $8 next day to canada from digikey
2017-01-18T03:35:06 < Simon--> free >=$100
2017-01-18T03:35:32 < Simon--> previously $200, previously $30 or something (like a decade ago)
2017-01-18T03:35:43 < Simon--> I still don't get how they get things through the border so quickly
2017-01-18T03:35:53 < upgrdman> heh  http://www.ibtimes.com/qualcomm-forced-apple-use-its-hardware-ftc-lawsuit-says-2476662
2017-01-18T03:35:54 < stvn> hip replacements
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2017-01-18T03:36:23 < stvn> the declare the goods as hip replacements
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2017-01-18T03:37:44 < ReadError> yes lay them all out and do them, for a while
2017-01-18T03:39:14 < upgrdman> anyone use hot glue as a potting compound?
2017-01-18T03:39:44 < ReadError> upgrdman: if you heat up hotglue w/ hotair after
2017-01-18T03:39:49 < ReadError> it becomes way different
2017-01-18T03:39:52 < upgrdman> ya i do that all the time
2017-01-18T03:39:59 < upgrdman> works wonderful
2017-01-18T03:40:06 < upgrdman> smoothes the fuck out
2017-01-18T03:40:13 < ReadError> Simon--: http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/389/stspin32f0-1063269.pdf
2017-01-18T03:40:14 < stvn> hmm
2017-01-18T03:40:17 < ReadError> seen that ?
2017-01-18T03:40:24 < ReadError> upgrdman: seems like it gets harder too
2017-01-18T03:41:35 < upgrdman> ReadError, "Applications
2017-01-18T03:41:36 < upgrdman>  Kitchen robots" lol
2017-01-18T03:41:37 < Simon--> ReadError: nope
2017-01-18T03:41:57 < Simon--> pfft @ comparator only for overcurrent
2017-01-18T03:42:17 < Simon--> there are some others, like PAC5223
2017-01-18T03:42:35 < Simon--> arm core + power/esc outers
2017-01-18T03:43:15 < ReadError> just came on my mouser feed this morning thought itwas interesting 
2017-01-18T03:43:27 < stvn> i have to order more pioneer knobs
2017-01-18T03:43:30 < Simon--> pfft @ price on digikey
2017-01-18T03:43:45 < Simon--> Applications  Kitchen robots
2017-01-18T03:43:59 < stvn> best part of the datasheet imo
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2017-01-18T03:47:11 < upgrdman> grayscale CRTs look white when off. i assume thats the phosphore?
2017-01-18T03:47:46 < upgrdman> does the phosphore get darker when exited, or is that just the eye tricking you since other shit gets brighter?
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2017-01-18T03:53:31 < stvn> crt
2017-01-18T03:54:47 < stvn> never really thought about it
2017-01-18T03:55:10 < Jedrek_> Hello, I have a problem with my NUCLEO board with STM32F303K8T6 - I want to power it with 3.3V so I connected my voltage regulator to 3.3V and GND pins. The power LED is on but the program is not working. I've found in the manual that I have to disable some SB to make it work - what exactly should I do?
2017-01-18T03:55:21 < upgrdman> stvn, ya. like a grayscale crt seems to get brighter AND darker when turned on
2017-01-18T03:55:35 < stvn> hah
2017-01-18T03:55:36 < upgrdman> kinda confused if that real, or if it just gets brighter, so the normal while color looks darker
2017-01-18T03:56:00 < upgrdman> kinda like how a projector makes a white screen look black if theres bright shit too
2017-01-18T03:56:49 < upgrdman> like this fucker is white as shit  https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/poly-1-featured.jpg?w=1600
2017-01-18T03:57:14 < stvn> hmm yea
2017-01-18T03:57:19 < stvn> http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/nation-of-dropouts-university-completion-rates-drop-to-a-new-low/news-story/1265f4d9872db263694aaa74f815c432
2017-01-18T03:57:25 < stvn> good old aussiemate
2017-01-18T03:58:21 < upgrdman> stvn, tl;dr? aussies just giving up? or are more idiots enrolling and subsequently dropping out when they realize theyre too fucking dumb
2017-01-18T03:58:48 < stvn> who knows
2017-01-18T03:59:09 < stvn> all i know is my electrican can make a week's wage in 2 days installing a few power points or lights in people's houses
2017-01-18T03:59:42 < stvn> and i'm talking a 70,000aud week
2017-01-18T03:59:51 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, we all know you'd spread your legs for Trump.
2017-01-18T04:01:22 < stvn> lol
2017-01-18T04:02:42 < stvn> even the channel log is sick of reading her ramblings
2017-01-18T04:02:55 < upgrdman> hah
2017-01-18T04:05:12 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, that's your redeeming value? lol
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2017-01-18T04:13:46 < fenugrec> hmm, china selling used cloned probes ? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1pc-Tektronix-P6139A-500-MHz-Passive-Voltage-Probe-tested-/140709861514
2017-01-18T04:18:30 < stvn> how do you know if they're klones
2017-01-18T04:18:51 < stvn> i have a set just like that with my old tek 2465
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2017-01-18T04:38:06 < jsoft> AHHH HA!
2017-01-18T04:38:22 < stvn> hello,
2017-01-18T04:38:29 < jsoft> I think I have found what I was doing wrong and why my USART is not tx'ing. Because the alternate pin mapping was up the wazoo
2017-01-18T04:38:45 < stvn> oh you misconfigured your peripherals
2017-01-18T04:39:37 < stvn> thanks to some filthy 'abstraction layer' no doubt?
2017-01-18T04:43:30 < jsoft> no thanks to my misunderstanding of the datasheet
2017-01-18T04:43:38 < jsoft> my fault
2017-01-18T04:44:06 < jsoft> I guess its a HSL I am using
2017-01-18T04:44:12 < jsoft> Hardware stupidity layer ( me ) 
2017-01-18T04:44:17 < stvn> who reads datasheets anyway ;)
2017-01-18T04:44:27 < dongs> who's this new jsoft troll
2017-01-18T04:44:38 < jsoft> I'm not trolling
2017-01-18T04:44:53 < stvn> stm32 beginner from stonertronics
2017-01-18T04:45:02 < aandrew> Hardware Assininity Layer, gotta maintain the acronym
2017-01-18T04:46:02 < jsoft> Hardware Accident Layer ?
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2017-01-18T06:29:33 < upgrdman> wtf is it with faggots that use a label before their return statement, and just have earlier code goto that label. do faggots not like multiple return statements in a function?
2017-01-18T06:29:53 < upgrdman> that that deflate aids leeloo linked to
2017-01-18T06:33:25 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/BKvZvWE.gifv
2017-01-18T06:37:31 < upgrdman> https://github.com/sergeybratus/elfbac-arm/blob/master/linux/crypto/deflate.c#L135
2017-01-18T06:37:37 < upgrdman> ^ like that faggotry
2017-01-18T06:37:50 < dongs> upgrdman: i guess the faggots just wanna do all cleanup in one place
2017-01-18T06:38:12 < upgrdman> dongs, i could see that, but look at my link. its literally just return int;
2017-01-18T06:38:12 < dongs> thats what it literalyl loooks like in asm anyway
2017-01-18T06:38:31 < dongs> oh this is lunix source code
2017-01-18T06:38:41 < dongs> i think using goto liek that is acutally requird there
2017-01-18T06:38:49 < upgrdman> y
2017-01-18T06:39:10 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, so they duplicate goto out; ?
2017-01-18T06:39:23 < dongs> https://github.com/sergeybratus/elfbac-arm/blob/master/linux/crypto/deflate.c#L45
2017-01-18T06:39:26 < dongs> see here
2017-01-18T06:39:35 < dongs> o man what the shit.
2017-01-18T06:39:39 < dongs> its worse than i thought
2017-01-18T06:39:51 < dongs> whatever, lunix = aids
2017-01-18T06:40:02 < upgrdman> smart couple  https://gfycat.com/DecimalDeepAfricanwilddog
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2017-01-18T06:47:10 < dongs> upgrdman: apparently thats a security guard
2017-01-18T06:47:24 < dongs> normal people in china not allowed to have such large umbrella
2017-01-18T06:49:44 < dongs> hm what the fuck keil is telling me strex/ldrex intrinsics are deprecated what hte shit is teh replacemetn
2017-01-18T06:49:45 < upgrdman> oh ya true
2017-01-18T06:49:55 < upgrdman> we all had those little 6" umbrellas in shanghai
2017-01-18T06:50:02 < upgrdman> well like 6" when retracted
2017-01-18T06:50:09 < upgrdman> for easy anal insertion
2017-01-18T06:50:54 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/0x8j2g13.html how's my ghettotimer
2017-01-18T06:51:35 < upgrdman>  int i;
2017-01-18T06:51:35 < upgrdman>     for (i = 0;
2017-01-18T06:51:39 < upgrdman> wtf bro. no c99?
2017-01-18T06:52:06 < upgrdman> that fucking triggers me.
2017-01-18T06:52:17 < dongs> int i in a for loop triggers me WAY more
2017-01-18T06:52:19 < kOStiX> whats wrong with for?
2017-01-18T06:52:33 < upgrdman> kOStiX, decl'ing i outside the loop
2017-01-18T06:52:42 < dongs> reminds me of garbage gcc code
2017-01-18T06:52:43 < upgrdman> needlessly larger scope
2017-01-18T06:52:50 < kOStiX> ah i see
2017-01-18T06:53:16 < upgrdman> i just trolling dongs, but ya, irl, that would annoy me a little bit
2017-01-18T06:54:13 < dongs> i should probably redo this as a linked list tho
2017-01-18T06:54:35 < dongs> but then again tehres only gonna be 1-2 of thse going at any given time
2017-01-18T06:54:37 < dongs> so probably doesnt matter
2017-01-18T06:55:05 < dongs> would save time in systick tho... 
2017-01-18T06:55:15 < dongs> cuz there it would loop over entier array.
2017-01-18T07:01:53 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> upgrdman: He seems not to have a good concept of scoping in general.  Like in the timerStop: he declares tm and assigns it, and then next instruction may exit without even using tm... kind of lame.
2017-01-18T07:01:53 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> So no scopes, no consts, etc., but he will probably say that's pro and anyone criticizing it is an "autist" or a "faggot" :p
2017-01-18T07:02:06 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-01-18T07:11:38 < dongs> stupid leelooman seems to have no concept of "C" either
2017-01-18T07:12:08 < stvn> i got the book mate
2017-01-18T07:12:14 < stvn> does that make me pro?
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2017-01-18T07:16:00 < dongs> wow fucking great.
2017-01-18T07:16:19 < dongs> these cunts put spi flash on the board
2017-01-18T07:16:26 < dongs> and CS is permanently at ground..
2017-01-18T07:16:47 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-01-18T07:16:59 < dongs> and no thermals to the pin, so looks like the only way to get it disconnected is trim the pin and wire it to somewhere else
2017-01-18T07:17:24 < dongs> they also already made 1k of htem too
2017-01-18T07:19:09 < stvn> i see
2017-01-18T07:21:03 < dongs> hm lifting the pin was easier than i thought
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2017-01-18T07:22:03 < stvn> indeed
2017-01-18T07:26:28 < stvn> the fucken dogs http://www.digikey.com.au/products/en?keywords=FFSD-05-D-06.00-01-N
2017-01-18T07:28:52 < upgrdman> dat says socket to socket
2017-01-18T07:29:17 < upgrdman> so females on cable?
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2017-01-18T07:29:32 < stvn> yes
2017-01-18T07:29:47 < stvn> this is very true
2017-01-18T07:30:02 < upgrdman> o nm, femalr contacts in male housaing
2017-01-18T07:30:18 < stvn> just stick it in
2017-01-18T07:30:21 < dongs> stvn: lol no
2017-01-18T07:30:29 < stvn> sup dongs 
2017-01-18T07:30:46 < dongs> http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=6591
2017-01-18T07:30:47 < dongs> stvn: ^
2017-01-18T07:30:55 < stvn> ty stm32pro
2017-01-18T07:31:11 < upgrdman> or $3 on mouser
2017-01-18T07:31:18 < upgrdman> aidsfruit on mouser
2017-01-18T07:31:23 < stvn> eww
2017-01-18T07:32:04 < dongs> its like 50c from chiangirl but yeah i already bought a bunch from ucPROs so i dont need more for a while
2017-01-18T07:32:07 < dongs> until igive htem all away
2017-01-18T07:33:06 < stvn> i see
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2017-01-18T07:38:26 < ReadError> did a bunch of plumbing on OxyGen
2017-01-18T07:38:56 < ReadError> switched over to the 144 nukelo 
2017-01-18T07:39:11 < ReadError> and just going full sperge 
2017-01-18T07:40:47 < ReadError> the 144pinner is a much nicer board to work on shame they dont backport the changes to the 64
2017-01-18T07:48:32 < stvn> wtf is OxyGen
2017-01-18T07:51:03 < stvn> not the diatomic molecule
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2017-01-18T07:59:26 < dongs> kitchen robots
2017-01-18T07:59:36 < stvn> yes with stspin
2017-01-18T08:02:11 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/xGzIiaL.png
2017-01-18T08:08:24 < ReadError> stvn: Oxygen Generator 
2017-01-18T08:08:41 < stvn> okay
2017-01-18T08:08:46 < stvn> how does it work?
2017-01-18T08:08:56 < ReadError> sieve beds and magic
2017-01-18T08:09:02 < stvn> ah
2017-01-18T08:09:17 < stvn> needs more stm32s
2017-01-18T08:09:33 < englishman> STM32 = small package
2017-01-18T08:09:35 < ReadError> it has the big dog, fat cat one
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2017-01-18T08:24:54 < dongs> haha that fucking image
2017-01-18T08:24:59 < dongs> stvn: what teh fuck is he even doing
2017-01-18T08:25:04 < dongs> that looks liek a credit card processing termianl
2017-01-18T08:25:10 < dongs> the shit does it have to do with STSPIN
2017-01-18T08:25:29 < stvn> no.
2017-01-18T08:26:34 < dongs> thanks atmel. thier fuckin spi peripheral needs to know that the byte im about to send/receive over SPI is "last transfer"
2017-01-18T08:26:47 < dongs> fucking filth
2017-01-18T08:26:57 < stvn> pretty filthy
2017-01-18T08:26:59 < dongs> its liek STM32 all over again
2017-01-18T08:27:03 < dongs> er STM32 I2C
2017-01-18T08:27:09 < dongs> but probly evne worse
2017-01-18T08:27:21 < stvn> i2c is probably the dirtiest
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2017-01-18T08:40:45 < stvn> i need a swastika gobo
2017-01-18T08:42:44 < stvn> i'm designing a security system, on alarm it will project swastikas around a building and play waffen ss march among other things
2017-01-18T08:44:37 < stvn> powered by stm32
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2017-01-18T08:50:36 < dongs> you made emeb quit
2017-01-18T08:50:37 < dongs> you fucking jew
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2017-01-18T09:13:25 < ohsix> second eevblog multimeter has an stm32 in it
2017-01-18T09:14:49 < ohsix> he was being coy and hiding most of it, but left ETL # visible
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2017-01-18T09:40:36 < dongs> R2COM: http://www.ebay.com/itm/192080163673
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2017-01-18T09:41:10 < dongs> its a SUPER PRO amplifier
2017-01-18T09:41:26 < dongs> WEIGHT
2017-01-18T09:41:26 < dongs> 94-1/2 lbs. (42.87kg) net
2017-01-18T09:41:26 < dongs> 108-1/2 lbs. (49.22kg) in shipping carton
2017-01-18T09:41:27 < dongs> ahahahah
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2017-01-18T09:42:14 < dongs> this is top quality
2017-01-18T09:42:24 < dongs> its only 250W/ch
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2017-01-18T09:45:35 < dongs> no
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2017-01-18T10:01:22 < dongs> hmm wut.
2017-01-18T10:01:29 < dongs> my software timer stuff hardfaults after a few ticks
2017-01-18T10:21:44 < dongs> or not. unrelated trash
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2017-01-18T10:37:22 < upgrdman> dongs, those camera on quads, theyre transmit analog video eight? any idea how much bandwidth they use? few Mbps?
2017-01-18T10:45:17 < zyp> you don't measure analog bandwidth in megabits :p
2017-01-18T10:46:06 < stvn> lol
2017-01-18T10:46:10 < stvn> i was waiting for that
2017-01-18T10:46:43 < jpa-> shannon might ;)
2017-01-18T10:47:00 < stvn> shannon is evil
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2017-01-18T10:48:39 < jpa-> hmm.. analog error correction code; interesting concept
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2017-01-18T10:50:21 < jpa-> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9e82/d19ccc41cef22e11e04ee39e413dd54c9d2b.pdf  not sure how it works though
2017-01-18T10:53:19 < dongs> 8mhz
2017-01-18T10:54:11 < dongs> hm my shit was crashing because callback had a parameter
2017-01-18T10:54:29 < dongs> void (* timercallback)(void *) for function pointer
2017-01-18T10:54:44 < dongs> calling it with ptr(param) would hardfault evantaully
2017-01-18T10:54:45 < dongs> etf?
2017-01-18T10:54:57 < dongs> removed param and it works, but wonder why this would even matter
2017-01-18T10:55:00 < jpa-> should work, crashes due to some other bug in your code
2017-01-18T10:55:09 < dongs> yeah but theres not much else going on
2017-01-18T10:55:25 < jpa-> what is the actual cause of the hardfault as indicated by regs?
2017-01-18T10:55:53 < kOStiX> maybe try different compiler optimization
2017-01-18T10:57:55 < jpa-> what would that help?
2017-01-18T10:57:59 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/g2tS1O5.jpg
2017-01-18T10:58:18 < dongs> of course its not crashing now
2017-01-18T10:58:59 < dongs> oh lol
2017-01-18T10:59:01 < dongs> i know what it was
2017-01-18T10:59:08 < dongs> i had no while(1) at end of main()
2017-01-18T11:00:18 < stvn> why not for(;;)
2017-01-18T11:04:07 < jpa-> why not crt: goto crt;
2017-01-18T11:04:16 < dongs> perfect.
2017-01-18T11:04:18 < stvn> :D
2017-01-18T11:04:21 < stvn> ty jpa- 
2017-01-18T11:04:24 < dongs> ^ end of all my code from now on
2017-01-18T11:04:47 < stvn> i'm going to make a fanfiction page about this channel
2017-01-18T11:05:05 < dongs> why ? thre's already zypsnips
2017-01-18T11:05:18 < stvn> true
2017-01-18T11:05:22 < stvn> stm32.pro tho
2017-01-18T11:05:28 < dongs> did you buy that
2017-01-18T11:05:46 < stvn> yes
2017-01-18T11:06:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QzqUdkz.png
2017-01-18T11:07:10 < stvn> goto is a sin but lol anyway.
2017-01-18T11:07:29 < dongs> i wonder if asm is different from while (1)
2017-01-18T11:07:36 < dongs> in -O3 its probly same BUT
2017-01-18T11:07:42 < dongs> in O0 that might be faster.
2017-01-18T11:08:52 < stvn> me and my sister message each other recounting the stuff our alcoholic parents would scream at each other
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2017-01-18T12:28:35 < Fleck> hmm, can one rotate display using ltdc? Like landscape/portrait? So that in portrait mode one can use DMA2D normaly
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2017-01-18T12:32:31 < zyp> doesn't look like it
2017-01-18T12:35:08 < Fleck> so no way?
2017-01-18T12:35:18 < zyp> doesn't look like it
2017-01-18T12:35:39 < Fleck> so is a way? :D
2017-01-18T12:35:46 < zyp> doesn't look like it
2017-01-18T12:35:49 < Fleck> ghh
2017-01-18T12:36:34 < kOStiX> https://stm32f4-discovery.net/2015/01/library-50-stemwin-stm32f429-discovery/
2017-01-18T12:36:41 < kOStiX> this thing seems to support rotating
2017-01-18T12:37:01 < Fleck> yeah, but AFAIK that display supports it
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2017-01-18T12:38:03 < kOStiX> you could also work with inverted numbers no?
2017-01-18T12:39:17 < Fleck> depends, what you mean with that
2017-01-18T12:39:43 < Fleck> cannot tell DMA2D to swap x/y or decr mem
2017-01-18T12:39:45 < kOStiX> i mean like, treat the x dimension as the y, and viceversa
2017-01-18T12:40:15 < kOStiX> so you pre-store the data in inverted form
2017-01-18T12:40:23 < kOStiX> swapped
2017-01-18T12:40:41 < Fleck> what DMA2D option is that to swap x/y? Would love to use that, did not find tho
2017-01-18T12:40:49 < zyp> doesn't exist
2017-01-18T12:40:59 < kOStiX> what are you displaying?
2017-01-18T12:41:03 < kOStiX> you have like a 2d buffer?
2017-01-18T12:41:13 < zyp> kOStiX, supporting portrait by pre-rotating everything is easy
2017-01-18T12:41:24 < zyp> the hard part is when you want to support both portrait and landscape
2017-01-18T12:41:35 < Fleck> +1 zyp
2017-01-18T12:41:45 < Fleck> in software mode also, no problem...
2017-01-18T12:42:09 < kOStiX> well you just recalculate the new image, the switch wont be very often no?
2017-01-18T12:42:52 < zyp> kOStiX, I don't think you're thinking competely through this
2017-01-18T12:42:58 < Fleck> ;p
2017-01-18T12:43:42 < kOStiX> well, if you have enough ram you can have a double buffer hehe
2017-01-18T12:45:05 < zyp> kOStiX, well, neither DMA2D nor LTDC supports rotating, so either you have to rotate in software or keep both variants of all source assets
2017-01-18T12:46:23 < kOStiX> i see
2017-01-18T12:46:40 < jpa-> IIRC you can accelerate rotation with DMA2D if you reconfigure it for every line
2017-01-18T12:47:14 < zyp> jpa-, yeah, we went over that last week
2017-01-18T12:47:18 < jpa-> :)
2017-01-18T12:47:55 < kOStiX> i've yet to mess with that stuff
2017-01-18T12:48:17 < kOStiX> i've only done low level driver for a 3.2" parallel tft
2017-01-18T12:48:36 < kOStiX> on gpio
2017-01-18T12:49:10 < jpa-> if the data is in SRAM, you could add external mux that changes the addressing ;)
2017-01-18T12:49:30 < kOStiX> yeah
2017-01-18T12:49:55 < zyp> jpa-, haha, nice
2017-01-18T12:50:48 < kOStiX> i was thinking also if the data format matched, one could use some of the dsp instructions in the stm32f4, instructions of swapping words and bytes
2017-01-18T12:51:08 < kOStiX> that could make software rotation faster
2017-01-18T12:51:17 < kOStiX> at buffer filling time
2017-01-18T12:51:44 < jpa-> kOStiX: hmm, i haven't figured any way to speed rotation with M4 dsp instructions, how do you suggest to do it?
2017-01-18T12:52:20 < kOStiX> thing is i dunno about dma2d, never used it, ive used dma with other peripherals
2017-01-18T12:53:32 < kOStiX> say your x, y would be 16 bits, stored contiguosly in a 32bit word, there are instructions to swap the 16bits within the 32
2017-01-18T12:54:31 < jpa-> how does that help?
2017-01-18T12:54:54 < jpa-> the goal is to rotate by 90 degrees
2017-01-18T12:55:00 < jpa-> not 180
2017-01-18T12:57:54 < kOStiX> well as i say i dunno how dma2d moves the data and what format its supposed to be in ram, but in the case if you had both, x and y stored as two 16 bit words in a 32 bit and you swapped the 16 bit words, you would get inverted result, y/x, 
2017-01-18T13:03:17 < kOStiX> ok im out
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2017-01-18T13:04:24 < Steffanx> Are you writing fleckGFX, fleck?
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2017-01-18T13:05:20 < Fleck> yes
2017-01-18T13:14:17 < Fleck> wanna try it Steffanx? :P
2017-01-18T13:15:01 < Steffanx> Does it do anti-aliasing?
2017-01-18T13:15:22 < Steffanx> For arcs, circles.. Everything?
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2017-01-18T13:16:46 < Fleck> ofc, it also does texture mapping to primitives :)
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2017-01-18T13:19:11 < psprint> Fleck: what's the link?
2017-01-18T13:19:26 < Fleck> there is none!
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2017-01-18T13:20:06 < Fleck> that was sarcasm psprint :D Steffanx is Tectus nark, would'nt tell a thing to that guy :P
2017-01-18T13:20:27 < psprint> ahso
2017-01-18T13:21:34 < Fleck> I do have triangle rasterization working, still in pretty raw state tho...
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2017-01-18T13:25:48 < Fleck> with texture mapping :)
2017-01-18T13:26:32 < stvn> sup pros
2017-01-18T13:29:24 < Fleck> psprint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJG7j_YStgQ
2017-01-18T13:30:10 < Fleck> in this way I can print txt rotated also
2017-01-18T13:30:19 < jpa-> Fleck: you're scared that tectu will steal your codes? :D
2017-01-18T13:30:20 < Steffanx> :)
2017-01-18T13:30:25 < Fleck> nope
2017-01-18T13:30:57 < Fleck> I code when I can, not my primary thing, so, my code sucks anyway :p
2017-01-18T13:32:20 < jpa-> aren't we all Tectu's narks anyway?
2017-01-18T13:32:40 < Steffanx> No. As he is never around to nark to lately
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2017-01-18T13:33:24 < Fleck> jpa-: I have some concerns about that guy, found some bugs, reported, even fixed, then he makes fun in public of me, kinda, uncool, not that I care much
2017-01-18T13:34:24 < stvn> lol
2017-01-18T13:35:35 < Steffanx> I think he has the same concerns about you fleck :P
2017-01-18T13:36:46 < Steffanx> But whatever. 
2017-01-18T13:38:17 < stvn> greetings mr.steffan
2017-01-18T13:38:53 < Fleck> still I never called him names Steffanx, not in public, not in PM, he did many times 
2017-01-18T13:40:40 < ReadError> did Fleck hostile fork ugfx?
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2017-01-18T13:41:43 < jpa-> Fleck: oh, haven't seen that
2017-01-18T13:42:08 < Fleck> LeelooMinai: ?
2017-01-18T13:42:27 < Fleck> ReadError: what does that mean? :P
2017-01-18T13:42:55 < ReadError> its a classic dongism
2017-01-18T13:43:50 < karlp> ReadError: what's "so much nicer" on the 144pin nucleo vs the 64 that would be backportable?
2017-01-18T13:44:11 < LeelooMinai> Fleck: Well, I mean this is the worst place on IRC probably when it comes to people treating other people, so I found what you wrote a bit weird:)
2017-01-18T13:47:15 < ReadError> karlp: silk label on every pin for one
2017-01-18T13:49:01 < karlp> ah, yeah, those are nice things.
2017-01-18T13:49:51 < Fleck> LeelooMinai: well, yes, in this chan that is normal, but, kinda strange when it comes from ppl you have helped and never disrespected, don't you agree?
2017-01-18T13:51:11  * karlp respectfully disagrees
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2017-01-18T13:52:09 < stvn> i'm stiff
2017-01-18T13:52:17 < ReadError> the overcurrent LED on stlink
2017-01-18T13:52:24 < ReadError> comes with HSE xtal
2017-01-18T13:52:35 < zyp> iceland, antarctica, what's the difference?
2017-01-18T13:52:43 < ReadError> usb would be nice
2017-01-18T13:53:10 < Fleck> LeelooMinai: or like me, who has good friends, not back-stabbers :D
2017-01-18T13:53:19 < karlp> or maybe my name isn't leeloominai believing that a slight implies perpetual hatred.
2017-01-18T13:54:40 < jpa-> calling names equates to back stabbing now?
2017-01-18T13:55:37 < jpa-> you've probably just misinterpreted, jokes on this channel go too far sometimes and tectu had a phase when he tried to imitate dongs (even though everyone knows that one dongs is enough for this channel)
2017-01-18T13:55:49 < stvn> lol
2017-01-18T13:56:14 < Fleck> I would say - one dongs is too much, but, ohh, well
2017-01-18T13:56:39 < jpa-> yeah, that is a valid opinion but then you probably need a different channel :P
2017-01-18T13:57:12 < Fleck> ignore works ok for me
2017-01-18T13:57:46 < Fleck> I would say - that's just uncool
2017-01-18T13:58:13 < jpa-> yeah, ignore is pretty useful on this channel :P
2017-01-18T13:58:29 < karlp> I only ignore 1 person.
2017-01-18T13:59:16 < jpa-> oh no, now i can't sleep without knowing who karlp ignores
2017-01-18T13:59:27 < zyp> jpa-, you
2017-01-18T13:59:38 < jpa-> ah, makes sense
2017-01-18T13:59:49 < jpa-> i've made fun about icelanders a few times
2017-01-18T14:00:03 < Fleck> ;p
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2017-01-18T14:00:43 < stvn> speak of the devil
2017-01-18T14:00:49 < karlp> LeelooMinai's too busy complaining that people hate them to pay attention to what anyone else says ;)
2017-01-18T14:01:45  * karlp ignores aretoocypresscommunist
2017-01-18T14:01:56 < stvn> ah
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2017-01-18T14:09:00 < stvn> thanks mate
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2017-01-18T14:18:53 < psprint> LeelooMinai: remember the problem with corrupted .app file of the installer? turns out downloading with wget not with firefox solves it (no "verification" is done and app simply runs)
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2017-01-18T14:49:08 < Rob235> morning peeps
2017-01-18T14:49:16 < Rob235> you ever have an annoying dream that you wake up from and keep trying to go back to sleep but you keep entering the same annoying dream? I decided it was time to wake up... :P
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2017-01-18T14:55:59 < PeterM> i dont get that
2017-01-18T14:57:01 < dongs> nobody over the age of 13 dreams
2017-01-18T14:57:06 < dongs> got way more important shit to worry about
2017-01-18T14:57:34 < HorizonSet> I work too much, then dream about work. That's like the "take a vacation" alarm going off.
2017-01-18T14:57:38 < PeterM> usually im tried when i go to sleep, i sleep, then i wake up sorta not tired and go about work
2017-01-18T14:57:51 < PeterM> HorizonSet that happens, thats life
2017-01-18T14:58:19 < HorizonSet> It's a thing, yeah. If you do something more than about 12 hours a day, I think you're prone to dream about it.
2017-01-18T14:58:49 < psprint> I once had something exceptional on may levels: ~5 level dream, a bad thing happes -> waking up, feeling genuinely awake -> similar bad thing happens -> again genuinely awaken. Never believed in sleep within sleep before that
2017-01-18T14:59:34 < HorizonSet> I dream about work, and realize in said dream that "this is a lame-ass dream," but it's not enough of a bummer to rouse me from it. 
2017-01-18T14:59:51 < HorizonSet> Then I wake up and put in for a vacation request. 
2017-01-18T15:05:22 < Rob235> oh people responded!
2017-01-18T15:05:24 < Rob235> haha let me read
2017-01-18T15:05:46 < Rob235> ever since I stopped smoked weed I started dreaming again
2017-01-18T15:06:13 < BrainDamage> I wish I could dream
2017-01-18T15:06:47 < Rob235> and by annoying dream (this morning) I was flirting with someone, they were interested but playing hard to get, and I knew it was one of those dreams that is just me chasing getting laid the whole time
2017-01-18T15:07:00 < dongs> def 13
2017-01-18T15:07:03 < Rob235> haha
2017-01-18T15:07:11 < karlp> Rob235: I dream more after cutting back on drinking too.
2017-01-18T15:08:17 < Rob235> i thought quitting smoking was gonna be hard but I'm just saving a lot of money now
2017-01-18T15:09:22 < HorizonSet> I have super-weird lucid dreams after a long night at the bar. Other than that, I generally dream about what has captured my attention the most that day.  
2017-01-18T15:10:03 < Rob235> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/why-are-your-dreams-suddenly-so-intense-when-you-stop-smoking-weed-876
2017-01-18T15:10:46 < Rob235> I havne't had a dream in like 3 years prior to that
2017-01-18T15:11:16 < HorizonSet> I haven't smoked in like.. 7 years now. I remember having mostly good dreams when I did though. 
2017-01-18T15:11:23 < Rob235> weird
2017-01-18T15:11:29 < Rob235> maybe you didn't smoke enough :)
2017-01-18T15:12:27 < HorizonSet> That may well be the case. Have to implement a new variable this experiment and smoke a bunch more. 
2017-01-18T15:12:41 < Rob235> sounds like a good idea to me
2017-01-18T15:13:03 < HorizonSet> The sacrifices me make for empirical data. 
2017-01-18T15:13:07 < HorizonSet> we*
2017-01-18T15:13:20 < Rob235> science is a hard life
2017-01-18T15:14:21 < Rob235> I always consider those dreams nightmares.  I don't know the last time I had like a monster or serial killer type nightmare.  I consider dreams where I'm constantly trying to get somewhere or do something but never can as a nightmare
2017-01-18T15:15:17 < BrainDamage> daily shitpost link: https://i.imgur.com/kgpC9Mo.jpg
2017-01-18T15:15:39 < dongs> seen ^^
2017-01-18T15:21:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/B2kqF8x.jpg any idea how to filter this?
2017-01-18T15:22:00 < Rob235> oh shit, dongs cant rationally call me a stoner anymore, its a new era
2017-01-18T15:22:36 < dongs> Rob235: cuz you quit stoning?
2017-01-18T15:22:40 < Rob235> yea
2017-01-18T15:24:37 < karlp> dongs, nice, what's that from?
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2017-01-18T15:24:48 < dongs> karlp: 24V rail
2017-01-18T15:25:04 < dongs> noise comes in when air conditioner compressor turns on on the same AC circuit
2017-01-18T15:25:22 < karlp> sweet
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2017-01-18T15:25:55 < Rob235> isn't that was caps are for?
2017-01-18T15:26:15 < Rob235> what? I need to wake up
2017-01-18T15:29:44 < Rob235> I'm gonna read some free range vhdl
2017-01-18T15:29:45 < Rob235> later
2017-01-18T15:30:03 < Rob235> practical electronics for inventors is next on the list
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2017-01-18T15:40:50 < karlp> anyone used internal eeprom on L series enought o know what sort of cap you need to be able to use the brown out detecter to save settings only on power fail?
2017-01-18T15:41:52 < jpa-> the eeprom is pretty slow, but IIRC datasheet gives all the data you need to determine that
2017-01-18T15:42:32 < karlp> ok, will look more closely.
2017-01-18T15:42:55 < jpa-> annoying part is how it pauses all code execution from flash while it is writing the eeprom
2017-01-18T15:48:23 < dongs> karlp: making a 10:1 voltage divider for scope and gonna see what hte spike looks like on AC line
2017-01-18T15:48:29 < dongs> anyway, how the fuck would I even go about filtering this
2017-01-18T15:48:35 < dongs> apparentyly the shit makes it across a lab power supply as well
2017-01-18T15:49:10 < karlp> no clue man, these are the sorts of things I come here to learn :)
2017-01-18T15:49:28 < dongs> this sounds liek something PeterM would probly know
2017-01-18T15:49:34 < karlp> I'm hoping you and aaaanerew and peterm might fix 
2017-01-18T15:49:48 < karlp> BrainDamage maybe?
2017-01-18T15:50:16 < dongs> my ususal analog pro is stumped
2017-01-18T15:53:00 < dongs> so i wonder why keil's __main() which calsl my main() doesn't have a while(1) on return
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2017-01-18T15:56:06 < jpa-> i'd just use a pi filter (cap + coil + cap)
2017-01-18T15:57:29 < jpa-> something like 100µF 100µH should give decent attenuation at that freq, and if it isn't enough you can just add another stage (cap + coil + cap + coil + cap)
2017-01-18T15:58:22 < dongs> on the AC line?
2017-01-18T15:58:37 < jpa-> but to measure that properly on a scope, you either need to use a differential probe or subtract the value of two channels - otherwise you'll easily just be measuring the noise that gets coupled on scope's ground line
2017-01-18T15:58:40 < jpa-> on DC line
2017-01-18T16:00:28 < psprint> anyone done something with the nano or uno arduino compatibility of disco and nucleo boards? It sounds quite fun, but I cannot really think of what could be done with it
2017-01-18T16:00:57 < jpa-> by compatibility you mean the placement of pin headers?
2017-01-18T16:00:59 < dongs> "fun"
2017-01-18T16:01:13 < dongs> what fuckign fun is tehre in retarded unaligned headers that just get in teh way
2017-01-18T16:02:09 < psprint> dongs: well what you said is what I suspect when thinking of details, but overall, being able to plug random foreign things is fun
2017-01-18T16:02:20 < dongs> jumper wires work.
2017-01-18T16:02:36 < dongs> i don't think i've seen a single tarduino shield that I was like "woooh, i wanna use that"
2017-01-18T16:03:11 < karlp> arduino-240v-live-pins.jpg
2017-01-18T16:03:15 < jpa-> yeah, and it scales pretty badly if you want to plug multiple things; not easy to reassign pins etc.
2017-01-18T16:03:16 < dongs> yes, except that one
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2017-01-18T16:03:31 < jpa-> and most of the stuff is like SPI or I2C or serial so like 4 jumper wires
2017-01-18T16:03:56 < dongs> advanced arduino programming
2017-01-18T16:04:44 < dongs> http://gushh.net/tmp/arduinoshield.png here you go
2017-01-18T16:04:56 < karlp> that's it, was having a hard time finding that
2017-01-18T16:05:07 < dongs> google "arduinoshield.png" does it
2017-01-18T16:05:09 < dongs> in quote.
2017-01-18T16:05:13 < dongs> plenty of irc retweets
2017-01-18T16:05:28 < dongs> infact, $1 link is from laurenceb Lol
2017-01-18T16:05:30 < dongs> #1
2017-01-18T16:13:50 < psprint> I'm not arduino fun mostly because of power consumption, the parts that cannot be powered down and always draw energy, the things included in starter kits that draw 15 mA while other carefully looked up alternatives 2mA. Stm32 is different kind and probably draws much power, but in return it has DSP instructions, DCMI interface, etc., I will use it because I cannot do FPGA while STM has enough performance and
2017-01-18T16:13:53 < psprint> parts that can accomplish my goal
2017-01-18T16:13:55 < psprint> s/fun/fan/
2017-01-18T16:16:48 < psprint> regret leaving Intel I could have money for all the toys and learn FPGA, wasn't interested with this when working there as software engineer
2017-01-18T16:17:10 < dongs> intel software enginers dont know waht the fuck the're doing anyway
2017-01-18T16:17:15 < dongs> intel has been paying like 30 poeple to write ACPI for lunix
2017-01-18T16:17:21 < dongs> since 1998
2017-01-18T16:17:29 < dongs> it still doenst work as well as it worked on Windows 98SE
2017-01-18T16:17:38 < dongs> ~ in 2017 ~
2017-01-18T16:17:52 < psprint> I had a chance to join team writing OpenGL 3 drivers, about 10-14 people with much mind power aura, focus
2017-01-18T16:18:06 < dongs> did anyone let them know opengl is dead?
2017-01-18T16:18:45 < psprint> it was 8 years ago :) is opengl really dead? I've heard that, but thought: Android, iOS, that will keep it going
2017-01-18T16:19:01 < zyp> opengl doesn't seem very dead
2017-01-18T16:20:05 < zyp> although pc stuff will probably transition over to vulkan
2017-01-18T16:22:51 < dongs> haha please
2017-01-18T16:22:54 < dongs> vulkan wat
2017-01-18T16:23:20 < zyp> isn't that the new thing that's supposed to take over for opengl?
2017-01-18T16:23:25 < Rob235> dongs: so what is the best in your opinion? 
2017-01-18T16:24:45 < Rob235> oh vulkan is amd? I thought it was nvidia
2017-01-18T16:24:56 < zyp> no, vulkan is khronos
2017-01-18T16:25:00 < zyp> like opengl
2017-01-18T16:25:00 < dongs> zyp, i know what it is, its just some trash AMD is trying to do to stay even remotely relevant
2017-01-18T16:25:27 < zyp> dongs, the AMD thing is mantle
2017-01-18T16:25:43 < Rob235> Vulkan is derived from and built upon components of AMD's Mantle API, which was donated by AMD to Khronos 
2017-01-18T16:25:45 < Rob235> thats what I meant
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2017-01-18T16:26:30 < zyp> yeah, but vulkan is supported by multiple vendors
2017-01-18T16:26:45 < dongs> (like nobody)
2017-01-18T16:26:47 < zyp> according to wikipedia, nvidia supports vulkan from 600-series up
2017-01-18T16:27:07 < Rob235> ohh maybe it was just support I was thinking of
2017-01-18T16:32:12 < psprint> yh Farnell just skipped 3 my products, FerriteB, 33R, 1uF capacitor. I ordered 36 things, is this enough to get them lost
2017-01-18T16:32:41 < Steffanx> Or shipped from a different warehouse?
2017-01-18T16:33:10 < psprint> Sad thing about AMD, they can do innovation like the x86-64, followed by Intel, apparently the same will happen with Mantle
2017-01-18T16:33:29 < dongs> lol
2017-01-18T16:33:34 < psprint> Steffanx: waited 1 day for another email about shippment being sent
2017-01-18T16:37:40 < psprint> they send from UK, Leeds, to Poland, quite far away, and shippment only $3.6, free when order > $48.6 (without tax)
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2017-01-18T16:42:53 < dongs> zyp: google is making their own silicon, the 'g' chip https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/
2017-01-18T16:43:10 < dongs> cortex -m3 or so meshit wiht some custom crypto/crap hw
2017-01-18T16:43:59 < dongs> https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/usb.c what USB ip is that
2017-01-18T16:44:42 < dongs>  TODO: Somebody figure out how to fix this, please.
2017-01-18T16:44:43 < dongs> haha
2017-01-18T16:44:49 < zyp> looks like dwc_otg
2017-01-18T16:46:49 < zyp> yeah, it's obviously dwc_ot
2017-01-18T16:46:50 < zyp> g
2017-01-18T16:47:04 < dongs> yeh, GUSBCFG_USBTRDTIM seems to hit LUNIX code results for dwec_otg2 driver
2017-01-18T16:47:56 < zyp> no surprise really, dwc_otg is pretty common
2017-01-18T16:48:16 < karlp> consistent quirks.
2017-01-18T16:48:44 < zyp> it's not that quirky, is it? :)
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2017-01-18T16:49:30 < zyp> back when I didn't know shit, it was a lot more complex and harder to work with than the simple core in f1, but the more I've learned, the more well-designed dwc_otg seems
2017-01-18T16:49:38  * karlp shrugs
2017-01-18T16:49:47 < karlp> they're all just hardware to be dealt with right?
2017-01-18T16:50:19 < zyp> I mean, the weakness of the simple core shows when you'll try do something like isochronous
2017-01-18T16:51:13 < dongs> when will you make true asynchonous usb audio class for STM32
2017-01-18T16:51:26 < dongs> xmos will go out of business overnight
2017-01-18T16:51:31 < karlp> I think the quirks of dwcotg come up more with the amount of vendor customization options available not always being well detectable/discoverable by driver software
2017-01-18T16:51:55 < karlp> leading to people having the general feeling of dwc_otg being troublesome and buggy.
2017-01-18T16:52:14 < zyp> perhaps
2017-01-18T16:52:47 < zyp> I had a lot of problems getting stuff to work at first because the stm32 RM had the PHYSEL bit documented wrong
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2017-01-18T17:08:02 < dongs> ok so 
2017-01-18T17:08:05 < dongs> this noise looks to be on GND
2017-01-18T17:08:10 < dongs> AC itself is clean
2017-01-18T17:08:12 < dongs> hmm
2017-01-18T17:11:10 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/d3HjE5l.jpg < purple is AC, ch4 is gnd
2017-01-18T17:11:49 < psprint> dongs: does this ground decoupling with use of Ferrite Beads have anything to do with stopping the noise? http://imgur.com/H2q1Rsu
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2017-01-18T17:22:21 < psprint> How can one sum up this stuff: https://www.parallax.com/product/32900  I've browsed across all uC units out there, though here is another one, Propeller
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2017-01-18T17:22:50 < dongs> its shit
2017-01-18T17:22:55 < dongs> it was so shit they had to opensores teh core
2017-01-18T17:22:58 < dongs> cuz nobody used it
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2017-01-18T17:23:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6eFUjDB.jpg resistor divider gon wrong
2017-01-18T17:24:30 < zyp> hmm?
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2017-01-18T17:25:38 < dongs> one leg of resistor evaporated
2017-01-18T17:28:08 < dongs> whats the fastest way to count bits in a byte
2017-01-18T17:34:17 < zyp> on arm? 256-entry lookup table
2017-01-18T17:34:23 < dongs> right herh
2017-01-18T17:38:49 < fenug_> or a 16-entry LUTs, for each halfbyte
2017-01-18T17:38:58 < fenug_> *LUT
2017-01-18T17:39:13 < zyp> he said fastest :)
2017-01-18T17:39:42 < fenug_> oops, yes. Unless you're so sshort on RAM that 256 bytes is excessive, then yes 256LUT
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2017-01-18T17:39:56 < jpa-> *ROM
2017-01-18T17:40:00 < fenugrec> HAH
2017-01-18T17:40:20 < zyp> but yes, if you're short on memory then the obvious next step is doing a double lookup
2017-01-18T17:41:03 < zyp> could also use halfbytes in the lookup table itself
2017-01-18T17:42:21 < zyp> hmm, but that gets kinda pointless
2017-01-18T17:42:31 < fenugrec> heh
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2017-01-18T17:43:49 < zyp> I mean, it would look something like this: popcount(uint8_t x) { return (lut128[x >> 1] >> (x & 1 ? 4 : 0)) & 0xf; }
2017-01-18T17:44:02 < jpa-> https://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html#CountBitsSetTable   this has a nice way to generate the lookup table
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2017-01-18T17:44:24 < zyp> but then you might as well just do this: popcount(uint8_t x) { return lut128[x >> 1] | (x & 1); }
2017-01-18T17:44:31 < fenugrec> zyp to save 128 bytes ? but the extra logic is extra opcodes, and slower
2017-01-18T17:45:06 < fenugrec> cool page jpa , I like Kernighan's method
2017-01-18T17:45:26 < zyp> fenugrec, question is how fast you need it to be, how much memory you can afford for LUTs and how fast memory lookups are
2017-01-18T17:45:42 < fenugrec> agreed. Sounds like a bad case of premature optimization
2017-01-18T17:46:45 < zyp> how come arm got clz/ctz but not popcount btw?
2017-01-18T17:47:34 < dongs> uhhh jpa
2017-01-18T17:47:37 < dongs> how the fuck does that even work
2017-01-18T17:47:43 < dongs> some preprocessor cuntery?
2017-01-18T17:48:14 < jpa-> yeah
2017-01-18T17:48:14 < zyp> no, it assumes table in ram
2017-01-18T17:48:27 < dongs> eh? no its const
2017-01-18T17:48:28 < jpa-> no, the first one is with macros and const
2017-01-18T17:48:39 < fenugrec> just nested macro expansion
2017-01-18T17:48:39 < zyp> ah, true
2017-01-18T17:56:42 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/D0G/plain   fastest non-LUT way looks to be about 11 cycles
2017-01-18T17:57:15 < dongs> is all teh popcount shit coming from that stanford page/
2017-01-18T17:57:25 < Laurenceb> use blackfin
2017-01-18T17:57:28 < dongs> or why teh fuck are you calling it popcount
2017-01-18T17:57:31 < Laurenceb> its the only way :P
2017-01-18T17:57:47 < jpa-> dongs: it is a common operation and goes by the term "population count"
2017-01-18T17:57:52 < dongs> oh
2017-01-18T17:57:56 < Laurenceb> I looked at this for software gps
2017-01-18T17:58:08 < Laurenceb> turned out just using 1 sample/nibble was faster
2017-01-18T17:58:17 < jpa-> gcc even has __builtin_popcount() but it does full 32 bits -> slower
2017-01-18T17:58:43 < dongs> intersting
2017-01-18T17:59:06 < Laurenceb> popcount is too slow on cortex
2017-01-18T18:00:51 < jpa-> Laurenceb: even with LUT?
2017-01-18T18:00:58 < emeb> hardware for that would be dead simple - wonder why they don't do an instruction for it...
2017-01-18T18:01:10 < Laurenceb> for gps it was slower than nibble based processing
2017-01-18T18:01:52 < karlp> they expected people to have the ram and rom and general speed to not get into bit stuffing techniques to squeeze our a few more bytes of flash?
2017-01-18T18:02:36 < jpa-> karlp: well if it was an instruction it would be 32 bits wide so there would be real benefit
2017-01-18T18:03:07 < Laurenceb> its useful in DSP
2017-01-18T18:03:10 < jpa-> looks like cortex-A has vcnt instruction
2017-01-18T18:03:18 < Laurenceb> thats why blackfin has it
2017-01-18T18:03:22 < englishman> dongs: is that really line noise, or EMI from compressor spark gap when engaged
2017-01-18T18:03:26 < zyp> jpa-, neon?
2017-01-18T18:03:30 < jpa-> zyp: yeah
2017-01-18T18:04:03 < sync_> pls Laurenceb, real pro grade dsps use sharc :P
2017-01-18T18:04:10 < jpa-> funny though, looks like vcnt in neon only does 8 bits..
2017-01-18T18:04:33 < dongs> englishman: no idea
2017-01-18T18:04:37 < dongs> how 2 fix
2017-01-18T18:04:44 < englishman> turn off a/c
2017-01-18T18:04:47 < Laurenceb> sync_: I worked on a software gps project using blackfin
2017-01-18T18:05:08 < Laurenceb> 1bit/sample using popcount
2017-01-18T18:05:11 < dongs> englishman: yeah not an option
2017-01-18T18:05:17 < englishman> its january why is the a/c on
2017-01-18T18:05:22 < dongs> it heats
2017-01-18T18:05:27 < englishman> heatpump then
2017-01-18T18:06:09 < englishman> do you have an isolating UPS
2017-01-18T18:06:16 < englishman> one with a DC isolating bus
2017-01-18T18:06:25 < sync_> put emi filter on the heatpump?
2017-01-18T18:07:00 < englishman> call the japan FCC equivalent and have them make the mfgr fix your heatpump
2017-01-18T18:07:19 < englishman> or maybe figure out if its line noise or EMI
2017-01-18T18:07:22 < englishman> so you can solve the problem
2017-01-18T18:07:59 < jpa-> why solve the problem when you can treat the symptom?
2017-01-18T18:08:10 < englishman> that's the american way
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2017-01-18T18:09:40 < englishman> looks like slimgur is dead
2017-01-18T18:09:44 < englishman> whats the next best photo host
2017-01-18T18:09:53 < Laurenceb> imagefap
2017-01-18T18:10:02 < dongs> http://sli.mg/ ?
2017-01-18T18:10:05 < englishman> yes, dead
2017-01-18T18:10:05 < dongs> dosnt that work??
2017-01-18T18:10:12 < englishman> not if you actually want to look at a photo
2017-01-18T18:10:41 < englishman> it cant have a shitty name like that. otherwise that heyfuckface or whatever would be the best img host
2017-01-18T18:10:43 < dongs> ah okay ahah
2017-01-18T18:10:53 < dongs> imagefap is actualyl a host
2017-01-18T18:10:54 < dongs> but it s slow as fuck
2017-01-18T18:11:06 < englishman> google photos *would* be the best
2017-01-18T18:11:13 < englishman> if they allowed anonymous sharing again
2017-01-18T18:11:13 < englishman> faggots
2017-01-18T18:11:14 < dongs> also I think most of the trash on there is like porn
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2017-01-18T18:11:45 < englishman> with google i actually made an account with the username "Anonymous Account"
2017-01-18T18:11:52 < englishman> https://goo.gl/photos/vzNb3WAPW4zT4Yoq5
2017-01-18T18:12:12 < englishman> still not as good as slimgur
2017-01-18T18:12:14 < englishman> thanks to shit urls
2017-01-18T18:13:15 < englishman> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8Ue1qF8O_2nEJEZ2wgvIeidGdD8KY5-62-HEbsXNbVe0_9fD-TcZO4ps5pOtV9e_-wkD6LClcOyNmJu8Nv73DUFZEgK0U45DPZHSXPh_y5vnECODhHIXzX1S5P5BtaRV16ShmA=w1131-h2010-no
2017-01-18T18:13:21 < englishman> like cmon look at that url
2017-01-18T18:16:01 < dongs> use goog.gl to shorten it
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2017-01-18T18:16:08 < englishman> too many steps
2017-01-18T18:16:13 < englishman> usefulness decreases
2017-01-18T18:16:35 < Rob235> is there a link that has everyones desk/work area setup pictures? or were people just pasting their own at some point one after another
2017-01-18T18:16:46 < dongs> zypsnips/desks i think
2017-01-18T18:16:57 < Rob235> whats that mean
2017-01-18T18:17:04 < dongs> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/desks.links
2017-01-18T18:17:15 < Rob235> thanks!
2017-01-18T18:17:30 < englishman> its in topic
2017-01-18T18:18:47 < Rob235> people read topics?
2017-01-18T18:18:48 < Rob235> :)
2017-01-18T18:30:14 < dongs> im curious why the fuck google would waste time/money making thier own cortexm3 silicon
2017-01-18T18:30:22 < dongs> with boring as fuck peripherals to boot
2017-01-18T18:30:35 < jpa-> integrated spycore
2017-01-18T18:30:45 < Laurenceb> wut
2017-01-18T18:30:47 < dongs> it doesnt seem like it actually got turned into silicon yet as all the code talks about fpga devboards but
2017-01-18T18:30:51 < Laurenceb> link pls?
2017-01-18T18:30:51 < dongs> fuckin why
2017-01-18T18:30:59 < Laurenceb> ah
2017-01-18T18:31:01 < dongs> Laurenceb: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/
2017-01-18T18:31:10 < dongs> it will be a chip tho, sooner than later
2017-01-18T18:31:19 < Laurenceb> weird
2017-01-18T18:31:51 < dongs> crypto signed bootlaoder
2017-01-18T18:31:52 < dongs> and bootrom
2017-01-18T18:31:56 < Laurenceb> oops http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/18/eu_space_agencys_galileo_satellites_stricken_by_mystery_clock_failures/
2017-01-18T18:32:02 < Laurenceb> nothing to do with me honest
2017-01-18T18:32:30 < zyp> dongs, probably because they're big enough that it starts to make sense
2017-01-18T18:32:38 < dongs> yeah but m3?
2017-01-18T18:32:40 < dongs> the fuck for
2017-01-18T18:32:56 < dongs> only thing that it has going for it is its like 3x3 wlcsp
2017-01-18T18:32:59 < zyp> why not?
2017-01-18T18:33:04 < dongs> 3x3mm that is
2017-01-18T18:33:05 < dongs> donno
2017-01-18T18:33:20 < jpa-> it could even be just practice
2017-01-18T18:33:22 < zyp> no point in doing m4 if it's not going to do a ton of computations
2017-01-18T18:33:34 < zyp> and no point in adding peripherals they're not going to use either
2017-01-18T18:33:36 < karlp> why not tensilica or andes though?
2017-01-18T18:33:43 < karlp> is m3 really the cheapest core to license?
2017-01-18T18:33:44 < jpa-> because arm is cool
2017-01-18T18:33:57 < zyp> so it's natural it's going to look boring compared to generic shit
2017-01-18T18:34:03 < dongs> maybe they didnt have anyt ESP1488 experts on teh team
2017-01-18T18:34:10 < englishman> this datasheet has "TBD" for a dimensional value
2017-01-18T18:35:02 < englishman> google hunted a bunch of silicon bros from another company about 2 years ago
2017-01-18T18:35:06 < zyp> jpa-, I'm dicking around with your popcount, I think it might be possible to save a few cycles
2017-01-18T18:35:14 < emeb> OTOH it could just be "Google has so much money they can waste it on bogus projects"
2017-01-18T18:35:26 < englishman> probably arm due to familiarity = low timetomarket
2017-01-18T18:35:37 < jpa-> zyp: oh? would be interesting :)
2017-01-18T18:35:51 < englishman> emeb: pretty much all of their projects are just to fuck around
2017-01-18T18:36:01 < englishman> with silicon they actually have to finish to get a product tho
2017-01-18T18:36:04 < emeb> yup
2017-01-18T18:36:10 < englishman> vs. shipping then finishing later
2017-01-18T18:36:11 < englishman> or never
2017-01-18T18:36:22 < dongs> lol
2017-01-18T18:36:31 < emeb> but "finish" is such a nebulous term.
2017-01-18T18:36:46 < emeb> and marketing is haaaard
2017-01-18T18:39:39 < zyp> jpa-, I think each line could be written as PKHBT, AND, USAX
2017-01-18T18:41:22 < zyp> PKHBT can take x, copy it to top/bottom halfword and shift the top one, AND can mask both halfwords in one operation, and USAX will add both halfwords leaving result in lower
2017-01-18T18:41:38 < emeb> nice
2017-01-18T18:42:15 < emeb> so you only have to do one AND per
2017-01-18T18:43:39 < emeb> & can easily expand to doing full halfword with one more ply
2017-01-18T18:43:49 < emeb> but can't do full word
2017-01-18T18:44:04 < zyp> USAX also puts a subtraction into the high halfword though, so you'll need a sign extension at the end
2017-01-18T18:44:53 < zyp> on the other hand, the UXTB at the end of jpa-'s popcount looks redundant and can probably be removed
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2017-01-18T18:45:07 < zyp> changing the type of x to uint32_t will probably get rid of it
2017-01-18T18:45:50 < emeb> so is Laurenceb using this for correlation on his GPS stuff?
2017-01-18T18:45:59 < zyp> so there doesn't realy seem to be a gain
2017-01-18T18:46:09 < Laurenceb> emeb: using what?
2017-01-18T18:46:21 < emeb> popcount for correlation
2017-01-18T18:46:30 < dongs> no i started it
2017-01-18T18:46:31 < Laurenceb> emeb: I worked on a commercial project using bitcount for correlation
2017-01-18T18:46:36 < Laurenceb> we used blackfin
2017-01-18T18:46:44 < jpa-> no, no-one is using this for anything because dongs is smart enough to just use a lut :P
2017-01-18T18:46:53 < dongs> < dongs> whats the fastest way to count bits in a byte
2017-01-18T18:46:54 < Laurenceb> I did some experiments with thumb2 based soft gps on m4
2017-01-18T18:47:11 < Laurenceb> but too lazy to write full gps
2017-01-18T18:47:18 < emeb> heh
2017-01-18T18:47:40 < emeb> I always make bits & bobs but never pull it all together into something that's "finished"
2017-01-18T18:48:03 < emeb> distracted by the next shiny thing
2017-01-18T18:48:57 < zyp> don't we all?
2017-01-18T18:49:22 < emeb> Was looking at that KiwiSDR thing last night - why the heck they decided to do home-made GPS instead of just buying one. 
2017-01-18T18:49:38 < emeb> Gee-whiz factor I guess
2017-01-18T18:50:10 < zyp> so they could use it for missile guidance of course
2017-01-18T18:50:12 < jpa-> i would assume so that it can be synchronous with the main SDR stuff
2017-01-18T18:50:22 < Laurenceb> oh wow thats nice
2017-01-18T18:50:30 < Laurenceb> fpga tho
2017-01-18T18:51:25 < emeb> jpa-: probably the best answer
2017-01-18T18:51:48 < emeb> but I would assume that most GPS modules with a 1pps output could be synced too, no?
2017-01-18T18:52:09 < Laurenceb> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=234
2017-01-18T18:52:21 < emeb> Laurenceb: what's wrong with FPGA? FPGAs are cool!
2017-01-18T18:52:24 < Laurenceb> thats what I'm using for "reverse gps" clock at base stations
2017-01-18T18:52:25 < jpa-> synced enough for timing purposes yeah, but could they be synced well enough if one wants to do e.g. time-of-flight distance measurements
2017-01-18T18:52:38 < Laurenceb> emeb: I wanted to do software gps on cortex m4
2017-01-18T18:52:56 < emeb> jpa-: all that Kiwi uses it for is to do LO frequency corrections
2017-01-18T18:53:02 < jpa-> the cheap ones, that is; expensive gps modules of course can have very accurate pulse outputs at higher than 1Hz
2017-01-18T18:53:13 < jpa-> emeb: yeah, currently
2017-01-18T18:53:26 < Laurenceb> ublox can do arbitrary <x>pps
2017-01-18T18:54:13 < jpa-> seems nice enough to have a platform for future gps stuff also
2017-01-18T18:54:19 < Laurenceb> but it uses some sort of pwm based method and has glitches
2017-01-18T18:54:38 < Laurenceb> so Leo added tcxo based filtered clock output
2017-01-18T18:54:54 < jpa-> i've wondered about putting several GPS antennas on one board, all synchronous to same clock, fed into FPGA and see if that could make a decent satellite based compass
2017-01-18T18:55:15 < Laurenceb> already available
2017-01-18T18:55:20 < jpa-> cheaply? :P
2017-01-18T18:55:26 < Laurenceb> its what armadillo aerospace had on their vehicles
2017-01-18T18:55:28 < Laurenceb> no
2017-01-18T18:55:37 < dongs> why would you want that
2017-01-18T18:55:51 < zyp> isn't satellite compasses pretty common on ships?
2017-01-18T18:55:54 < jpa-> dongs: magnetometers are silly inaccurate
2017-01-18T18:56:07 < jpa-> it seems like the hardware wouldn't be particularly expensive, like $50
2017-01-18T18:56:14 < Laurenceb> jpa-: LSM9DS1 is pretty good
2017-01-18T18:56:35 < Laurenceb>  1khz magno
2017-01-18T18:56:38 < jpa-> Laurenceb: only if there are no stray magnetic fields, like there always are in built environment
2017-01-18T18:56:57 < Laurenceb> yeah but there is stray gps phase in built environment
2017-01-18T18:57:00 < zyp> http://www.furuno.com/en/products/compass/SC-50 <- this sort of shit
2017-01-18T18:57:01 < jpa-> yeah
2017-01-18T18:57:06 < jpa-> multipath would be the main issue
2017-01-18T18:57:19 < jpa-> i don't really have a real usecase either, just seems like interesting stuff to try :P
2017-01-18T18:57:53 < aandrew> wow
2017-01-18T18:57:54 < aandrew> http://www.microcenter.com/product/441424/usb_30_to_hdmi_vga_ethernet_usb_20_docking_station
2017-01-18T18:57:57 < aandrew> that's pretty cool actually
2017-01-18T18:58:09 < aandrew> small, HDMI/VGA/USB/Ethernet USB3 dock
2017-01-18T18:58:14 < aandrew> it's like 2.5" square
2017-01-18T18:58:24 < zyp> probably pretty shitty too
2017-01-18T18:58:38 < jpa-> .. to VGA :D
2017-01-18T18:58:39 < aandrew> nah seem sto be displaylink
2017-01-18T18:58:44 < aandrew> which is decent
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2017-01-18T19:00:32 < aandrew> I have a lenovo USB 3 docking station at home. gig-e, bunch of USB3, dual DVI, audio
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2017-01-18T19:05:38 < englishman> lolz armadillo aerospace
2017-01-18T19:06:00 < englishman> jpa-: isnt that basically rtk
2017-01-18T19:07:26 < dongs> vlc just crashed on pressing stop button
2017-01-18T19:07:27 < dongs> classy.
2017-01-18T19:08:22 < englishman> Laurenceb: lol LSM9DS1 measures sensitivity in mgauss/LSB and LIS3MDL does it in LSB/gauss
2017-01-18T19:08:42 < Laurenceb> chaosheets
2017-01-18T19:09:13 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/Sensors/lsm9ds1.c
2017-01-18T19:09:44 < englishman> isnt a horse big enough for you to put two gbs and get horseheading via rtk
2017-01-18T19:09:57 < Laurenceb> lul probably
2017-01-18T19:10:50 < Laurenceb> oh I'm "only" using 300hz
2017-01-18T19:11:02 < Laurenceb> I think it can go over 1khz magno sampling
2017-01-18T19:11:16 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/Sensors/lsm9ds1.h
2017-01-18T19:22:48 < jpa-> englishman: yes, basically
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2017-01-18T19:43:39 < jadew> lol @ the first comment and reply: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vakWMNA1oWc
2017-01-18T19:45:41 < englishman> didnt know weev was a terry davis fan
2017-01-18T19:45:53 < Laurenceb> fellow trolls
2017-01-18T19:46:08 < Laurenceb> haha thats an epin troll comment from weev
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2017-01-18T20:03:59 < englishman> http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/montreal/trudeau-town-hall-sherbrooke-quebec-public-questions-1.3940058
2017-01-18T20:04:00 < englishman> canada trollin
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2017-01-18T20:06:53 < englishman> hey upgrdman 
2017-01-18T20:07:12 < englishman> analolgue cvbs video is like ~6.5MHz plus another 20MHz of garbage spew
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2017-01-18T20:08:36 < upgrdman> englishman, would digital not work better than? 20MHz of bandwidth would leave tons of room for duplication to reduce frame loss
2017-01-18T20:08:51 < englishman> sure, maybe
2017-01-18T20:09:30 < englishman> analolgue is still so popular (size, weight, power and cost all aside) because you still get usable video out of very high noise
2017-01-18T20:09:56 < englishman> digital just isn't working that well yet
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2017-01-18T20:16:15 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-18T20:16:46 < upgrdman> god fuck damn it. china internet must be bottlenecked right now. downloading attachements from work china email server... 4KBps
2017-01-18T20:16:50 < englishman> also transmitters are like $6 come on
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2017-01-18T20:17:18 < upgrdman> englishman, ya im thinking more from quality standpoint. like $100 for the transmitter would be fine if you could get like 1080p quality
2017-01-18T20:17:42 < upgrdman> but it'd need to be digital and with lots of room left over for redundancy to minimize dropped frames
2017-01-18T20:17:48 < englishman> yea thats about what they cost iirc
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2017-01-18T20:22:48 < upgrdman> i wonder if SMTP is a decent way to get data in/out of china
2017-01-18T20:23:14 < upgrdman> like if i just send GB of data as a bunch of emails, and they do the same. me to china email server, they to 1st world email servers
2017-01-18T20:24:09 < upgrdman> wonder if they'd queue and slowly get through, or if servers would give up
2017-01-18T20:24:26 < englishman> skype attachments
2017-01-18T20:24:34 < upgrdman> srsly?
2017-01-18T20:24:38 < englishman> i dono lol
2017-01-18T20:24:52 < upgrdman> god damn it. down to 1.7KBps now
2017-01-18T20:24:54 < upgrdman> fucking china
2017-01-18T20:25:01 < englishman> irc dcc
2017-01-18T20:25:13 < upgrdman> that'd not work
2017-01-18T20:25:24 < upgrdman> there were days where i couldnt even stay connected to freenode when in cn
2017-01-18T20:25:36 < upgrdman> like 1KB required for IRC... and those faggots couldnt handle it
2017-01-18T20:25:46 < upgrdman> 1KBps*
2017-01-18T20:26:41 < dongs> englishman: if i put 9772mAh into 4S 10Ah batt, did i blow it?
2017-01-18T20:26:49 < englishman> nah
2017-01-18T20:27:05 < dongs> i think teh voltage was down to aroudn 11 tho
2017-01-18T20:27:10 < englishman> if you put 9772mAh into a 2Ah, yes
2017-01-18T20:27:11 < dongs> but then I didnt ahve access to a charger for 2 days
2017-01-18T20:27:17 < dongs> so when I put it on charge, it was at 12.8-ish
2017-01-18T20:27:19 < englishman> probably fine
2017-01-18T20:27:25 < englishman> you wont be able to do that again
2017-01-18T20:27:42 < Laurenceb> lulwut http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38664703
2017-01-18T20:27:48 < Laurenceb>  *Chris Hanson*
2017-01-18T20:28:09 < dongs> Laurenceb: you should apply
2017-01-18T20:30:46 < dongs> http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/17/14306464/japanese-toilet-control-icons-meaning-standard meanwhile in japan
2017-01-18T20:32:22 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38638339
2017-01-18T20:32:26 < Laurenceb> dat top photo
2017-01-18T20:33:45 < Laurenceb> funtimes
2017-01-18T20:33:59 < Laurenceb> though I would interpolate airspy data in matlab
2017-01-18T20:34:07 < Laurenceb> it tried to use 24GB
2017-01-18T20:48:14 < Rob235> my gf just texted me: "Someone got fired for having sex in the parking lot"
2017-01-18T20:52:47 < upgrdman> was that someone your gf?
2017-01-18T20:53:02 < upgrdman> "sorry babe, will you forgive me"
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2017-01-18T20:55:27 < Laurenceb> when I was at school the teachers used to have an orgy after school
2017-01-18T20:55:46 < Laurenceb> they would text each other the classroom number during the final period
2017-01-18T20:56:42 < Laurenceb> thought that sort of shit was normal lol
2017-01-18T20:57:35 < englishman> how do you think they can deal with other peoples shitty kids all day
2017-01-18T20:57:56 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-01-18T20:59:13 < Laurenceb> shit this isnt going well
2017-01-18T20:59:27 < Laurenceb> I need to fit a polynomial to a 4GB wav file
2017-01-18T20:59:41 < Laurenceb> maybe some sort of preprocessor would work...
2017-01-18T21:01:11 < Laurenceb> lul nasty way == use sox to split the file
2017-01-18T21:02:44 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, do it the 90's warez way: .rar, .r01, .r02, .r03 ...
2017-01-18T21:03:20 < Laurenceb> I can just make a system call to sox from the matlab script
2017-01-18T21:06:44 < upgrdman> i remember downloading a 600MB avi via like 50 rar files
2017-01-18T21:06:46 < upgrdman> good times
2017-01-18T21:07:01 < Laurenceb> incestpron.avi
2017-01-18T21:07:04 < Laurenceb> amirite?
2017-01-18T21:07:26 < upgrdman> i think my first warez movie was Deuce Bigalo Make Gigalo actually. not far off.
2017-01-18T21:07:34 < upgrdman> shitty movie, fwiw
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2017-01-18T21:07:55 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Dover
2017-01-18T21:08:16 < englishman> whats the refdes for an RF shield
2017-01-18T21:08:28 < Laurenceb> lulz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyger_Drew-Honey
2017-01-18T21:08:32 < upgrdman> sh ?
2017-01-18T21:08:42 < Laurenceb> conceived on set no doubt
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2017-01-18T21:15:18 < Rob235> now there are 4k x265 releases
2017-01-18T21:15:21 < Rob235> 40-50 GB
2017-01-18T21:15:54 < Rob235> which I don't get since 1080p x265 are 1-2GB most of the time
2017-01-18T21:17:26 < Steffanx> 1-2? 
2017-01-18T21:17:39 < Rob235> x265? yea
2017-01-18T21:17:50 < Rob235> maybe 1-3
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2017-01-18T22:02:37 < kakimir> when you count leading zeros for base10 numbers
2017-01-18T22:02:57 < kakimir> could the most correct term for it be clz-base10 ?
2017-01-18T22:04:34 < kakimir> or somethin totally different?
2017-01-18T22:05:13 < kakimir> I started testing my clz functions to find that clz means generally base2 zeros
2017-01-18T22:05:21 < kakimir> not base10
2017-01-18T22:05:52 < upgrdman> Rob235, releases where
2017-01-18T22:09:49 < Rob235> torrent sites maybe?
2017-01-18T22:10:25 < Rob235> not that I would know of course
2017-01-18T22:14:40 < Laurenceb> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Wireless_toilet_control_panel_w._open_lid.jpg
2017-01-18T22:14:45 < Laurenceb> meanwhile in japan
2017-01-18T22:15:09 < Rob235> asian butts are not that big
2017-01-18T22:15:21 < Laurenceb> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/JapaneseToiletBidet.jpg
2017-01-18T22:15:35 < kakimir> do not push the button that removes tampon
2017-01-18T22:15:44 < Rob235> have you never seen a bidet?
2017-01-18T22:15:54 < Laurenceb> no
2017-01-18T22:16:14 < Rob235> where do you live
2017-01-18T22:16:14 < kakimir> in funland bidet is required in every public toilet
2017-01-18T22:16:20 < kakimir> or something
2017-01-18T22:16:38 < kakimir> seperate hose shower head type
2017-01-18T22:16:41 < Laurenceb> UK
2017-01-18T22:16:48 < Rob235> I'm in the US and thought we were the only ones that barely used them but I still know about em
2017-01-18T22:16:48 < Laurenceb> we dont do stupid shit
2017-01-18T22:16:58 < Rob235> having a clean ass is stupid?
2017-01-18T22:17:05 < kakimir> they dont even have thermostat mixers so what to expect
2017-01-18T22:17:06 < Laurenceb> literally never seen any of that stupid shit in uk
2017-01-18T22:17:06 < Rob235> I've never used one but a lot of countries do
2017-01-18T22:17:25 < XTL> Ah, uk. Where 1700s plumbing and insulation is all the rage
2017-01-18T22:17:49 < Rob235> I use wet wipes, anyone that just uses dry toilet paper is gross :)
2017-01-18T22:18:17 < upgrdman> how does water clear your butthole. no soap or physical contact
2017-01-18T22:18:23 < upgrdman> clean* not clear
2017-01-18T22:18:45 < upgrdman> like if you spray a log of shit with water... you still have a log of shit
2017-01-18T22:19:32 < Rob235> yea tbh I don't know
2017-01-18T22:19:38 < kakimir> http://www.oras.com/ProductImages/6105_product_240x240.jpg
2017-01-18T22:19:51 < Rob235> but wet wipes ftw
2017-01-18T22:19:59 < Rob235> cottonelle
2017-01-18T22:20:10 < kakimir> are we talking about wiping ass literally?
2017-01-18T22:20:29 < Rob235> sure
2017-01-18T22:20:30 < Rob235> ?
2017-01-18T22:20:53 < kakimir> #diarrhea32
2017-01-18T22:21:40 < Steffanx> ##partypooper32
2017-01-18T22:21:59 < Rob235> everybody poops
2017-01-18T22:24:08 < kakimir> sounds like a song chorus
2017-01-18T22:24:41 < Rob235> its a book
2017-01-18T22:24:53 < Rob235> for kids
2017-01-18T22:35:24 < kakimir> is there like any automatic detection for memory leaks like you alloc memory in function and never free it or pass it as a pointer out of the function?
2017-01-18T22:35:50 < kakimir> would -Wall tell that or do you need external tools?
2017-01-18T22:41:00 < kakimir> I try to find cheap method to result into base10 leading zeros
2017-01-18T22:41:19 < kakimir> any alternative solutions?
2017-01-18T22:41:43 < kakimir> can base2 clz be utilized any way?
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2017-01-18T22:54:08 < Steffanx> on your pc valgrind does a nice job, imho. mr kakimir
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2017-01-18T23:11:27 < englishman> kakimir: what do you expect from your "base10 clz"
2017-01-18T23:11:49 < englishman> like if the number is 10 in a uint8_t
2017-01-18T23:12:05 < englishman> and why does this have to be a single instruction
2017-01-18T23:12:11 < englishman> i detect massive autism
2017-01-18T23:12:15 < englishman> you're on about this for like 3 days
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2017-01-18T23:15:32 < upgrdman> wtf. china software source code... half of the classes he wrote start with my_ ... like     class my_queue      class my_command     etc.
2017-01-18T23:15:47 < jadew> they're all his
2017-01-18T23:15:47 < upgrdman> fucking cs101 code in production
2017-01-18T23:18:47 < upgrdman> also files with >4000 lines of code
2017-01-18T23:18:54 < upgrdman> needlessly
2017-01-18T23:19:19 < upgrdman> if i didnt know better, i'd think he charged by the line
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2017-01-18T23:20:38 < jadew> are the classes lowercase like that?
2017-01-18T23:20:48 < upgrdman> some are some arent
2017-01-18T23:20:52 < jadew> what's the naming convention for the other stuff?
2017-01-18T23:20:55 < jadew> ah
2017-01-18T23:21:01 < upgrdman> consistant naming conventions mean nothing in cn
2017-01-18T23:21:10 < upgrdman> random.
2017-01-18T23:21:11 < jadew> I tried the lowercase classes thing in one library and it's a shitty convention
2017-01-18T23:21:53 < jadew> but I left it like that, because it's complementing the STL
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2017-01-18T23:47:24 < englishman> got my free octopart shirt
2017-01-18T23:48:16 < upgrdman> oh FFS. this shit program is slow. so they solved it by putting things into threads. nothing it does should be cpu-intensive. argggghhhhh. who needs to profile when you just can just blinding try solutions.
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2017-01-19T01:26:24 < Jedrek_> Hello, I have a problem with my NUCLEO board with STM32F303K8T6 - first I wanted to power it with 3.3V so I connected my voltage regulator output to 3.3V and GND pins. The power LED turns on but the program is not running. I've found in the manual that I would have to turn off some solder bridges to make it work - they are very tiny so I don't want to mess with them. Then I tried to supply 5V from USB to +5V pin - according to 
2017-01-19T01:26:24 < Jedrek_> manual it should work out of the box. But... it isn't - red LED turns on but the program is still not running. What am I doing wrong? I'm using this manual: http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/e3/0e/88/05/e8/74/43/a0/DM00231744.pdf/files/DM00231744.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00231744.pdf
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2017-01-19T01:31:41 < Jedrek_> Another interesting thing I noticed - when I supply 5V on VIN (it accepts 7-12V according to manual) the board and ST-Link power on and the program is running. However, I don't think it's a good solution - lowest acceptable input voltage forembedded voltage regulator (LD1117S50TR) is 6.5V
2017-01-19T01:31:59 < Jedrek_> *for embedded
2017-01-19T01:48:43 < zyp> Jedrek_, well, that's easy to explain
2017-01-19T01:49:29 < zyp> the +5V line is fed directly to the VDD regulator, after the diodes
2017-01-19T01:50:20 < zyp> meanwhile, the +3V3_ST_LINK regulator is fed either from E5V or U5V through diodes, but the +5V line doesn't get there, so the st-link part ends up being unpowered
2017-01-19T01:51:12 < zyp> when the stlink chip is unpowered, it will be pulling the NRST line low through the internal ESD protection diodes, which will keep the target chip in reset, even though it's powered
2017-01-19T01:51:23 < zyp> and that's what keeps your program from running
2017-01-19T01:51:59 < zyp> to fix that you can either figure out a way to keep the stlink part powered, or remove SB9 to disconnect the NRST line
2017-01-19T02:00:13 < Jedrek_> can sending high from other device on NRST pin (for example CN4 pin 3) work?
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2017-01-19T02:02:35 < zyp> in practice? probably, but it's not a good idea
2017-01-19T02:03:38 < zyp> if you do that, you'll essentially be powering the entire stlink part of the circuit through the ESD diodes on the PA7 pin on the stlink chip, and that will probably violate the injected current spec for that chip
2017-01-19T02:04:48 < zyp> and forcibly driving nrst high will also inhibit the target chip from doing a software reset properly, since that involves driving nrst low internally
2017-01-19T02:05:34 < Jedrek_> so if I don't want to power on the embedded ST-LINK the only way is to remove the SB9?
2017-01-19T02:05:49 < zyp> in that sense, it's a worse solution than powering VIN with 5V
2017-01-19T02:05:57 < Jedrek_> if I disconnect the NRST line it will prevent the chip from doing a software reset as well, right?
2017-01-19T02:06:45 < zyp> supplying VIN with 5V isn't harmful, it'll lead to the E5V line being lower than 5V, but as long as the combined dropout doesn't get too high, VDD might still be 3.3V
2017-01-19T02:07:25 < zyp> also, stlink doesn't strictly need NRST line to work
2017-01-19T02:08:23 < zyp> it's only needed in situations where you want the debugger to recover from a situation where the swd interface itself isn't available
2017-01-19T02:09:01 < zyp> either because you changed the GPIO settings for those pins away from SWD, or because the chip is sleeping and disabled those pins in sleepmode
2017-01-19T02:09:36 < zyp> unless you're working on deep sleepmodes or doing something weird, you shouldn't run into a situation where you actually have any use for NRST
2017-01-19T02:09:48 < zyp> and if you do, you can just reconnect it, after all it's just a solder bridge
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2017-01-19T02:13:16 < Jedrek_> Ok, I understand. So since I stil have to remove the solder bridges, the best way to deal with my problem would be to disconnect SB9,SB14 and use my 3.3V external voltage regulator?
2017-01-19T02:13:44 < Jedrek_> will ST-LINK be still usable in that situation?
2017-01-19T02:14:45 < Jedrek_> I'm using NUCLEO for my project - remote controlled car powered with Li-Ion battery but I also would like to use it with other projects in the future
2017-01-19T02:15:06 < zyp> I don't think you strictly need to remove SB14
2017-01-19T02:15:42 < zyp> unless your external 3.3V supply misbehaves when hooked in parallel with another 3.3V regulator
2017-01-19T02:23:45 < Jedrek_> zyp, OK, I understand, thanks for your help :)
2017-01-19T02:24:43 < englishman> do you think it's OK to power STM32 and etc. from OKI-78SR directly
2017-01-19T02:25:02 < englishman> maybe with a bead to help out VDDA
2017-01-19T02:27:00 < zyp> ok for what? it'll surely work
2017-01-19T02:28:30 < englishman> dont know what im worried about really
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2017-01-19T03:02:17 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopalpa_donaldtrumpi
2017-01-19T03:02:26 < Laurenceb_>  Southern California and Northern Mexico
2017-01-19T03:02:27 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2017-01-19T03:04:54 < Laurenceb_> when trolling was taken too far
2017-01-19T03:05:39 < Laurenceb_> even I would say that electing a twitter troll as president is probably taking it too far
2017-01-19T03:15:41 < sync_> sounds like a good film title
2017-01-19T03:18:34 < Laurenceb_> the day the earth got trolled
2017-01-19T03:18:44 < Laurenceb_> trollbot monster
2017-01-19T03:19:25 < Laurenceb_>  "watch snowflakes left literally shaking as he comes to twitter"
2017-01-19T03:19:46 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq9IKsH9BXg
2017-01-19T03:25:26 < Laurenceb_> the comments are epin
2017-01-19T03:26:07 < Laurenceb_> Still better than Prometheus...
2017-01-19T03:26:09  * Laurenceb_ agrees
2017-01-19T03:31:13 < Laurenceb_> yet this with slightly better effects is pretty much what hollywood puts out these days
2017-01-19T03:39:34 < Laurenceb_> https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012/ 72% wtf
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2017-01-19T04:00:21 < Laurenceb_> interesting https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/lvLkAtklUm2mXMGH.huge
2017-01-19T04:01:37 < Laurenceb_> I'm guessing three opamps per photodiode
2017-01-19T04:02:33 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, whats that a photo of
2017-01-19T04:02:40 < Laurenceb_> HTC Vive
2017-01-19T04:03:05 < Laurenceb_> hadnt seen that before, I assumed the photodiodes went straight into the fpga
2017-01-19T04:03:18 < Laurenceb_> so looks like 3 opamps -> fpga -> stm32
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2017-01-19T04:15:40 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/18/explosive_ecig_broke_seven_teeth_and_sink/ attn stoners
2017-01-19T04:16:05 < dongs> is trump president yet
2017-01-19T04:16:28 < dongs> ah,  tomrorow
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2017-01-19T04:34:49 < dongs> Peter_M: requesting pro beeps
2017-01-19T04:35:59 < dongs> getting http://i.imgur.com/d3HjE5l.jpg everytime A/C compressor turns on. CH4 = gnd, CH3 = AC. how do i fixed
2017-01-19T04:36:16 < dongs> other than turn off AC
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2017-01-19T04:43:03 < englishman> just fix AC
2017-01-19T04:43:14 < englishman> wrap entire unit in tinfoil
2017-01-19T04:43:20 < dongs> no
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2017-01-19T04:55:16 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/jjG355P.jpg
2017-01-19T04:58:27 < dongs> hm
2017-01-19T04:58:34 < dongs> pal got a free stm32l073 nucleo at st seminoar
2017-01-19T04:58:40 < dongs> STM32L073RZT6 on it
2017-01-19T04:58:43 < dongs> wtf is Z
2017-01-19T04:59:03 < dongs> hm 192k flash
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2017-01-19T05:04:39 < englishman> they only gave me l053 but i got btle addon board with it
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2017-01-19T06:14:20 < PeterM> how do you want this fixed? you want your ac to stop making oyur gnd noisy or ytou want every single decice to filter their gnd?
2017-01-19T06:18:17 < aandrew> I think I'm completely blind.. can anyone tell me what version of LWIP is shipping in CubeMX? 
2017-01-19T06:18:21 < aandrew> I can't seem to find a version
2017-01-19T06:18:36 < aandrew> I heard rumour it's a stm32-specific version which doesn't make a lot of sense
2017-01-19T06:20:48 < PeterM> if oyu want your ac to stop making your gnd noisy you can take off the noise suppression caps and instead of your gnd being noisy it iwll jsut spew out rf
2017-01-19T06:28:54 < dongs> PeterM: wel, i'd like to protect my device from this
2017-01-19T06:28:55 < dongs> ideally
2017-01-19T06:29:12 < dongs> it looks like anything thats plugged into that power rail gets that shit
2017-01-19T06:29:17 < dongs> even shit liek scope/lab power supply
2017-01-19T06:31:18 < PeterM> yeah, the motor arcs, and the noise supression caps couple it to gnd to shunt it away but since its heaps noisy its also makin your gnd noisy, then the noise supression caps in your psu/scape/whatever are coupling that back in
2017-01-19T06:32:37 < dongs> so how do i fix
2017-01-19T06:36:13 < PeterM> get an ac that isnt noisy as shit
2017-01-19T06:36:31 < aandrew> is the AC ground connection very solidly grounded?
2017-01-19T06:36:39 < aandrew> not sure if that'd help, RFI is a bitch
2017-01-19T06:42:17 < PeterM> other plausible soluitions include ahmmering  in a new earth stake out beside your ac and using thatfor the ac only or lifting the gnd on figuratively everything
2017-01-19T06:42:53 < PeterM> lots of options, not many that are practical
2017-01-19T06:43:03 < aandrew> what if he brought the caps to a common and ran that through a filter to earth, leaving the actual PE for safety?
2017-01-19T06:43:09 < aandrew> instead of caps to earth
2017-01-19T06:43:47 < PeterM> no, because if you run the caps through a filter than  there is no point to them
2017-01-19T06:43:58 < aandrew> hm, yeah
2017-01-19T06:44:03 < PeterM> the caps are designed to be a low impedance path for hf noise to earth
2017-01-19T06:44:06 < aandrew> right 
2017-01-19T06:44:21 < aandrew> what about forgetting the filter and running the caps to a seperate earth ground, leaving the chassis PE alone?
2017-01-19T06:44:42 < PeterM> thats fine, but that requires the seperate earth gnd
2017-01-19T06:44:58 < PeterM> aka hammering in a big stake
2017-01-19T06:45:27 < aandrew> right
2017-01-19T06:45:32 < aandrew> he did say he wanted it fixed
2017-01-19T06:45:49 < aandrew> I don't know there are many other options other than replacing the AC but you don't know that the new one will be any better
2017-01-19T06:46:04 < dongs> aids
2017-01-19T06:47:20 < dongs> https://i.redd.it/sfqvvqaitkay.jpg chinagirl spotted
2017-01-19T06:47:53 < PeterM> well any of the newever ACs marketed as "inverters" wont have it because they're all induction motors
2017-01-19T06:48:36 < PeterM> lolwut 
2017-01-19T06:49:47 < englishman> switch to electric heat
2017-01-19T06:50:06 < englishman> ...and peltiers for summer
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2017-01-19T09:31:58 < stvn> stm32
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2017-01-19T09:55:06 < stvn> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/18/explosive_ecig_broke_seven_teeth_and_sink/
2017-01-19T09:57:09 < dongs> 11:15 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/18/explosive_ecig_broke_seven_teeth_and_sink/ attn stoners
2017-01-19T09:57:12 < dongs> 16:55 < stvn> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/18/explosive_ecig_broke_seven_teeth_and_sink/
2017-01-19T09:57:41 < stvn> o hi
2017-01-19T10:00:27 < stvn> did i miss anything else dongs ?
2017-01-19T10:03:53 < dongs> just that
2017-01-19T10:11:52 < stvn> well fuck a duck.
2017-01-19T10:12:36 < stvn> clocked about 300 km on the road today
2017-01-19T10:12:46 < dongs> that was me 2 days ago
2017-01-19T10:12:57 < dongs> did you go to deliver some mixers
2017-01-19T10:13:18 < stvn> bit of everything
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2017-01-19T10:18:22 < ohsix> sup
2017-01-19T10:18:45 < ohsix> ReadError: sneaky pete has snuck out
2017-01-19T10:18:57 < ReadError> ya just finished ep8
2017-01-19T10:19:12 < ReadError> didnt realize bryan cranston was exec producer
2017-01-19T10:19:15 < ReadError> or one of them
2017-01-19T10:19:23 < dongs> ReadError: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-01-19T10:19:35 < ohsix> he's going to be a super legit dude when he's an old actor
2017-01-19T10:20:01 < ohsix> when he dies they'll play clips of malcolm in the middle
2017-01-19T10:20:06 < ReadError> lol 
2017-01-19T10:20:11 < ReadError> he was gr8 on that
2017-01-19T10:20:30 < ohsix> mebbe
2017-01-19T10:20:49 < ohsix> repulsed by the format, didn't see lots of it on purpose
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2017-01-19T10:22:11 < ohsix> eng pal was designing a slicer for continuous plastic extrusion
2017-01-19T10:22:28 < ohsix> he was talking about the type of actuator they'd need being megabux
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2017-01-19T10:23:10 < ohsix> i told him how i'd do it with some bits of cable and i think he realized how silly the original design was
2017-01-19T10:23:34 < ohsix> it's kewl actually seeing a physical object in the process, and knowing that it is too complicated
2017-01-19T10:23:51 < ohsix> but now i have to build one :o
2017-01-19T10:24:58 < ohsix> there would be cable tension on the side and at 2 90 degree angles to the center of the carriage that would also make the carriage rails much cheaper thanwhat they were using
2017-01-19T10:25:36 < ohsix> i can 3d print the carriage for my dumb demo
2017-01-19T10:25:56 < ohsix> still a lot of work just to show off the idea tho
2017-01-19T10:27:32 < ohsix> since it moves side to side you can use hitting either side as a mechanical engagement to lift the blade and have it return to starting position
2017-01-19T10:29:17 < ohsix> ReadError: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uju8LmiDkK8&t=27s
2017-01-19T10:29:19 < ohsix> ergfg
2017-01-19T10:29:57 < ohsix> i like / hate youtube automatically tracking time when you switch devices
2017-01-19T10:31:01 < ReadError> does she have a safety pin in her ear for hillary?
2017-01-19T10:31:34 < ohsix> is that a thing? doubt it
2017-01-19T10:31:44 < ReadError> i thought it was
2017-01-19T10:31:59 < ohsix> she's weird, no idea
2017-01-19T10:32:18 < ReadError> http://townhall.com/tipsheet/erikahaas/2016/11/14/solidarity-safety-pins-after-election-n2245703
2017-01-19T10:32:38 < ohsix> anyways this video is silly, but megabots  are a thing i guess, if it ever happens it could be cool
2017-01-19T10:32:57 < ohsix> ya i know about that, dunno the ear
2017-01-19T10:33:22 < ohsix> if it were me ... i might use a safety pin if i hadn't had a piercing in for a while
2017-01-19T10:34:40 < ohsix> speaking of piercings lul, ear ring plugs look like cheap bushings and they might be wat i use for hax http://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-Silver-Stainless-Steel-Hollow-Pulley-Ear-Expansion-Plugs-Expander-2-14MM-/191698714000?var=&hash=item2ca2223d90:m:mW2t4SE5j8sPsxGIQoqUntA
2017-01-19T10:35:22 < ohsix> i have some other tiny hardware i got for little machines
2017-01-19T10:36:44 < PaulFertser> Ahaha, a safety pin is a symbol of punk rock, drugs, "sex pistols" etc. And now it's suddenly for "solidarity with minorities"? What a twist!
2017-01-19T10:37:00 < stvn> s t m 3 2
2017-01-19T10:37:16 < ohsix> PaulFertser: oh ya it was, wasn't it
2017-01-19T10:37:28 < ohsix> my punk knowledge is worse than zero
2017-01-19T10:37:52 < ohsix> PaulFertser: you know why tho, everyone had one already
2017-01-19T10:38:34 < ohsix> so everyone was already ready to wear one, and the news told you what it meant ;]
2017-01-19T10:38:57 < ohsix> ReadError: i need tiny aircraft cable / fasteners
2017-01-19T10:39:33 < ohsix> do you know of some, i can get the cable from bike cables i think, but i need a ferrule of some type, or a sleeve with a grub screw
2017-01-19T10:40:07 < dongs> write some STM32 code, or finish layout
2017-01-19T10:40:45 < jpa-> ohsix: for tiny cable, wouldn't fishing line be better?
2017-01-19T10:40:58 < dongs> ohsix the wire expert
2017-01-19T10:41:08 < jpa-> then just tie a proper knot
2017-01-19T10:42:21 < ohsix> jpa-: ahh yea
2017-01-19T10:42:30 < dongs> k gonna try some stm32 code. been doing too much sam3 shit, need a break
2017-01-19T10:42:33 < ohsix> cable looks cooler though :D
2017-01-19T10:43:08 < ohsix> if i use fly fishing line it will be just as visible or better
2017-01-19T10:44:46 < ReadError> ohsix: you can crimp or solder the cable closed
2017-01-19T10:44:47 < ohsix> hm i can use an x-acto blade as the cutter, they have a hole that i could use with a latch, slide them in
2017-01-19T10:45:42 < stvn> https://community.st.com/
2017-01-19T10:45:48 < ohsix> i'm going to keep the 2 drive cables under tension, to hold down the carriage, but also to keep it all square
2017-01-19T10:47:37 < ohsix> need a roller cutter, i know of the craft ones but they are 2" across or something, is there a craft tool or something that would have them as replacements?
2017-01-19T10:47:41 < jpa-> are you planning an automatic wrist cutter?
2017-01-19T10:47:59 < ohsix> ahhh pipe cutter
2017-01-19T10:48:02 < ohsix> nah
2017-01-19T10:48:38 < stvn> nice idea jpa- 
2017-01-19T10:48:53 < ohsix> eng pal is doing project for a continuous process cutter (cutting head has to move with the speed of the material during cut) and i came up with a simpler thing, i wanna build a model
2017-01-19T10:49:39 < ohsix> they can't use one of those rotating blades for whatever reason
2017-01-19T10:50:07 < stvn> kickstartin' that
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2017-01-19T10:50:53 < ohsix> http://www.motrona.com/Animation_CT.gif eg, this
2017-01-19T10:53:14 < ohsix> also i need to learn freecad or something and this is interesting
2017-01-19T10:53:53 < jpa-> > learn freecad
2017-01-19T10:53:58 < jpa-> it seems you'll be backing stvn's kickstarter soon enough
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2017-01-19T10:54:13 < ohsix> mebbe
2017-01-19T10:54:18 < ohsix> i use the term 
2017-01-19T10:54:40 < ohsix> 'learn' in the loosest possible manner, i mean like where the buttons and options are huhu
2017-01-19T10:56:28 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1-xGVFqmw
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2017-01-19T11:01:23 < Fleck> morning!
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2017-01-19T11:39:54 < Ecco> Hey
2017-01-19T11:40:24 < Ecco> Altium question: is there an easy way to view all occurrence of a given port (among all the schematics sheets) 
2017-01-19T11:42:30 < jpa-> ctrl-doubleclick a port?
2017-01-19T11:45:30 < zyp> just hover the mouse over the port
2017-01-19T11:47:58 < Ecco> Well, I remember that hovering would indeed do that
2017-01-19T11:48:12 < Ecco> but now I just get a small greyish box that states the name of th eport
2017-01-19T11:48:55 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/gwiqHvS.png
2017-01-19T11:50:53 < jpa-> maybe it's the only one?
2017-01-19T11:51:49 < Ecco> hmm, nope
2017-01-19T11:52:32 < Ecco> I must have disabled somthing
2017-01-19T11:52:37 < Ecco> apparently the feature is named "insight"
2017-01-19T11:52:40 < Ecco> lemme see
2017-01-19T11:52:51 < Ecco> thansk for confirming it should indeed be on hover
2017-01-19T11:53:13 < dongs> ctrl click highlights it
2017-01-19T11:53:18 < dongs> in same sheet anyway
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2017-01-19T11:55:32 < Ecco> gnaa
2017-01-19T11:55:34 < Ecco> Found it
2017-01-19T11:55:38 < Ecco> I hadn't compiled the project
2017-01-19T11:55:44 < dongs> ah yes.
2017-01-19T11:55:51 < Ecco> So *that's* what compiling a schematics does :)
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2017-01-19T12:21:29 < ReadError> Ecco reppin the GNAA too wow
2017-01-19T12:27:00 < Ecco> ?
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2017-01-19T12:36:36 < ReadError> 4:55:33 AM <Ecco> gnaa
2017-01-19T12:40:25 < stvn> good old timecop mate
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2017-01-19T12:58:49 < Ecco> oh :)
2017-01-19T12:59:01 < ReadError> dont get sassy with me stvn, m8
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2017-01-19T13:10:17 < sferrini> Hey guys, I guess this question it's a bit OT, but yeah, not so much: Do you know any online CTF (Capture The Flag) for ARM? I'd love to improve my reversing/exploitation skills in the ARM world. Would be great something simple that gets harder not too fast
2017-01-19T13:10:27 < Ecco> oh
2017-01-19T13:10:42 < Ecco> Well, to be honest, CTF are rarely platform-dependent
2017-01-19T13:10:56 < Ecco> I mean, the same exploit oftentimes can be written for a platform or another
2017-01-19T13:10:58 < dongs> capture the dong
2017-01-19T13:11:07 < dongs> me and stvn are into this
2017-01-19T13:11:14 < Ecco> I knew it
2017-01-19T13:11:50 < emeryth> sferrini: have you tried microcorruption?
2017-01-19T13:12:05 < sferrini> I mean, so far I just did x86_64 stuff, I'd like to move on to ARM..
2017-01-19T13:12:14 < emeryth> it's not ARM, but it's "embedded"
2017-01-19T13:12:25 < stvn> lul
2017-01-19T13:12:31 < sferrini> emeryth: yeh just found it, but it's MSP430
2017-01-19T13:13:45 < sferrini> LeelooMinai: microcorruption gives you the actual hardware and debugger! :P
2017-01-19T13:13:58 < sferrini> Not physically but online
2017-01-19T13:15:32 < sferrini> But for me it's fine let's say to compile some vulnerable code, flash it in my stm32 device and then, reverse it and exploit it
2017-01-19T13:15:52 < karlp> what does that prove?
2017-01-19T13:16:00 < karlp> "built gun, shot at own foot" ?
2017-01-19T13:16:09 < sferrini> dongs , stvn you said you are into this?
2017-01-19T13:16:26 < dongs> I'm not that much into wasting time
2017-01-19T13:16:35 < dongs> and this seems like exactly that
2017-01-19T13:16:48 < stvn> i think sferrini is stoned
2017-01-19T13:17:19 < sferrini> stvn: lol
2017-01-19T13:19:50 < sferrini> LeelooMinai: I know what ##stm32 community is. I've been there for a wile in the past
2017-01-19T13:19:53 < stvn> yeah i'm hilarious
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2017-01-19T13:21:36 < sferrini> LeelooMinai: no problem. I know how it works, sometime quite disappointed, but yeah it's ok.
2017-01-19T13:22:21 < ReadError> anyone have namecheap and able to log in?
2017-01-19T13:22:29 < sferrini> just wanted to say hi, and to ask that CTF thing. not so important, no problem if you don't play
2017-01-19T13:22:31 < ReadError> mines been acting fucky today
2017-01-19T13:22:57 < ReadError> can email to reset pw, do, and get error when logging back in w/ new pw
2017-01-19T13:23:04 < sferrini> ReadError: yep just logged in
2017-01-19T13:23:47 < sferrini> Try the "Chat with a Live Person"
2017-01-19T13:23:56 < sferrini> They helped my one time
2017-01-19T13:24:02 < dongs> chat with a stoner
2017-01-19T13:27:08 < ReadError> ya just did
2017-01-19T13:27:23 < ReadError> https://support.namecheap.com/index.php?/Base/Staff/GetProfileImage/1405
2017-01-19T13:27:36 < ReadError> chatting her up, gonna ask for her ICQ to holla after
2017-01-19T13:28:32 < BrainDamage> is this 1999
2017-01-19T13:28:47 < stvn> yes
2017-01-19T13:28:49 < stvn> welcome back
2017-01-19T13:28:59 < stvn> you're on IRC BrainDamage 
2017-01-19T13:29:22 < stvn> wanna go to the world trade centre today?
2017-01-19T13:29:27 < ReadError> yo gurl lemme get dem ICQ digits
2017-01-19T13:30:37 < sferrini> one year to millennium bug
2017-01-19T13:32:27 < ReadError> apparently, you cant login if you are on a VPN
2017-01-19T13:32:37 < stvn> of course. the grand cucking
2017-01-19T13:33:13 < stvn> be a good goyim and ditch the VPN
2017-01-19T13:33:34 < stvn> anyway. STM32
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2017-01-19T13:34:54 < ReadError> pff
2017-01-19T13:35:11 < ReadError> go screw this AIDS infested prostitute while ur at it, unprotected
2017-01-19T13:35:19 < ReadError> essentially what you just told me
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2017-01-19T13:35:43 < ReadError> mention that and look who shows up
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2017-01-19T13:36:18 < stvn> Laurenceb_ will be able to assist you with any further enquiries
2017-01-19T13:36:35 < Laurenceb_> wut?
2017-01-19T13:36:44 < stvn> wanna see my dick?!
2017-01-19T13:36:54 < Laurenceb_> no homo
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2017-01-19T13:37:02 < stvn> anyway back 2 stm32
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2017-01-19T13:39:36 < sferrini> I've seen people using STM32CubeMX, is it worth? I don't like lacking control, but so many people do.
2017-01-19T13:39:46 < sferrini> what do you thing about it?
2017-01-19T13:40:16 < ReadError> uhm well
2017-01-19T13:40:23 < ReadError> its not really a control thing
2017-01-19T13:40:31 < ReadError> it just makes some template codes
2017-01-19T13:40:37 < ReadError> and eats all your memory
2017-01-19T13:40:47 < jpa-> it sucks, but if it gets your job done faster, go ahead and we'll make fun of you
2017-01-19T13:41:54 < sferrini> I used one for prototyping, needed stuff done asap
2017-01-19T13:41:56 < ReadError> why dont Tectu come around anymo ;(
2017-01-19T13:42:24 < sferrini> but tbh I din't quite like the "user code thing"
2017-01-19T13:42:47 < sferrini> I missed control in this sense
2017-01-19T13:43:30 < ReadError> you sound confuse
2017-01-19T13:44:09 < sferrini> I mean, you can't place user code wherever you want
2017-01-19T13:44:29 < ReadError> its code
2017-01-19T13:44:35 < ReadError> you can do w/e you want
2017-01-19T13:44:45 < sferrini> so you can't modify code out of the "user code" tags
2017-01-19T13:45:02 < sferrini> cause if you regenerate it, you will loose stuff
2017-01-19T13:45:13 < ReadError> uhm well you should generate it once
2017-01-19T13:45:21 < ReadError> and them alt+f4 out of it 
2017-01-19T13:45:30 < sferrini> yep sure I use version control, so it's not a real lost
2017-01-19T13:46:25 < sferrini> ReadError: what you mean I should generate it once? bugs can happen also there
2017-01-19T13:46:53 < sferrini> so you need to regenerate in top of it
2017-01-19T13:47:00 < ReadError> uh
2017-01-19T13:50:40 < ReadError> i dont need no app telling me what to do, what I write is between me and my compiler
2017-01-19T13:51:19 < sferrini> well, it's what I used to say and I used to do
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2017-01-19T14:08:37 < ReadError> lol that asshat
2017-01-19T14:11:32 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/821550942382268416
2017-01-19T14:11:35 < ReadError> cringgggeee
2017-01-19T14:12:30 < ReadError> did she pass ?
2017-01-19T14:12:58 < Steffanx> ReadError He is alive.
2017-01-19T14:13:37 < Steffanx> He just came down from heaven. Your beloved graphics maker.
2017-01-19T14:13:54 < ReadError> oh heh why he no come around here anymore
2017-01-19T14:14:02 < ReadError> oh hes here now
2017-01-19T14:14:20 < ReadError> Tectu: multiple displays
2017-01-19T14:14:33 < ReadError> best to just copy the header and rename all the functions ?
2017-01-19T14:14:51 < Steffanx> Lol no.
2017-01-19T14:14:59 < Tectu> ReadError, you should seriously consider reading the documentation ;)
2017-01-19T14:15:04 < Tectu> ReadError, uGFX has full multiple displays support
2017-01-19T14:15:14 < Tectu> ReadError, 
2017-01-19T14:15:14 < Tectu> <ReadError> oh hes here now
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2017-01-19T14:15:17 < Tectu> copy paste fail
2017-01-19T14:15:22 < Tectu> ReadError, https://wiki.ugfx.io/index.php/Multiple_displays
2017-01-19T14:15:40 < Tectu> ReadError, you can use any number of the same or different display controllers on the same system.
2017-01-19T14:15:46 < ReadError> oh I see, theres a GDISP param 1st
2017-01-19T14:15:49 < Steffanx> Even i could have answered and linked to that page mr readerror.
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2017-01-19T14:20:16 < Tectu> ReadError, did you find what you need?
2017-01-19T14:20:52 < ReadError> yea thought it was more involved when I was looking the other day since I didnt notice the #define w/ the function aliased 
2017-01-19T14:21:28 < Tectu> it's mentioned in the documentation multiple times - even in the introduction section(s).
2017-01-19T14:21:53 < Tectu> I'm happy for suggestions in order to improve the documentation but if you're not reading it it's kinda hard to get it right :p
2017-01-19T14:26:58 < jsoft> *sigh*
2017-01-19T14:27:05 < jsoft> Still fail at UART :(
2017-01-19T14:28:23 < Tectu> ReadError /nick ReadDocs
2017-01-19T14:28:55 < dongs> more like /nick DumbCloner
2017-01-19T14:31:01 < ReadError> so I just need to make multiple spi_cfgs for each CS
2017-01-19T14:34:19 < Kliment> Tectu: nobody ever reads documentation
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2017-01-19T14:34:42 < Kliment> Tectu: Unless it's in the code examples noone will ever find it
2017-01-19T14:34:55 < Kliment> Tectu: And even then, it better be VERY prominent
2017-01-19T14:35:27 < Tectu> Kliment, people should stop doing that
2017-01-19T14:35:45 < Kliment> Tectu: You can't change people
2017-01-19T14:44:13 < ReadError> hmm still looks like this may need some hacking
2017-01-19T14:45:23 < Steffanx> No. Lies.
2017-01-19T14:45:36 < Tectu> then you'd be doing it wrong, ReadError 
2017-01-19T14:46:27 < ReadError> doesn't seem like the CS pin is associated w/ the gdisp board
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2017-01-19T14:52:19 < Tectu> ReadError, that is why the GDisplay structure has a 'board' member :)
2017-01-19T14:54:44 < ReadError> yes noticed that but couldnt find much else on what the 'board' actually was
2017-01-19T14:54:52 < ReadError> grep doesnt come up w/ much
2017-01-19T14:55:05 < ReadError> oops wrong dir
2017-01-19T15:00:34 < ReadError> eh still not much 
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2017-01-19T15:24:29  * Ecco is still fighting with low-power modes
2017-01-19T15:24:36 < Ecco> There's something I don't understand
2017-01-19T15:24:48 < Ecco> If I put the STM32 in standby, I get a 7.5 uA power consumption
2017-01-19T15:25:00 < Ecco> I guess it could be improved, but that's acceptable
2017-01-19T15:25:22 < dongs> looks ok tom e
2017-01-19T15:25:25 < Ecco> Probably a few uA wasted here and there, but that's within spec
2017-01-19T15:25:27 < Ecco> Same
2017-01-19T15:25:33 < Ecco> Now exact same device/PCB
2017-01-19T15:25:44 < Ecco> If I enter "stop" mode, I have a 0.45 mA power consumption
2017-01-19T15:25:51 < dongs> yes so?
2017-01-19T15:25:55 < dongs> standby != stop
2017-01-19T15:25:58 < Ecco> Exact same firmware, I just don't set the PPDS bit
2017-01-19T15:26:10 < Ecco> Yeah, but supposedly stop uses very little power
2017-01-19T15:26:13 < Ecco> not 0.45 mA
2017-01-19T15:26:22 < Ecco> datasheet says STOP is 50 uA or less
2017-01-19T15:26:25 < Ecco> here I'm at 500 uA
2017-01-19T15:26:52 < Ecco> Firmware isn't doing anything fancy
2017-01-19T15:27:07 < Ecco> it just boots, loops for ~10 seconds, then goes to sleep
2017-01-19T15:27:27 < Ecco> I don't understand where the extra power consumption comes when in STOP mode
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2017-01-19T15:34:39 < Ecco> also, for some reason, in Stop mode the power usage is weirdly fluctuating
2017-01-19T15:34:55 < Ecco> it goes from 0.5mA, to 0.7mA and then back to 0.5 for no appearant reason
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2017-01-19T15:47:49 < Tectu> ReadError, sorry, I quoted the wrong thing
2017-01-19T15:47:51 < Tectu> ReadError, you want g->controllerdisplay
2017-01-19T15:48:11 < Tectu> ReadError, you can switch (g->controllerdisplay) in all the board file functions
2017-01-19T15:49:06 < Tectu> ReadError, that way you can simply choose the different CS line where required.
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2017-01-19T16:07:34 < Ecco> Hi Tectu :)
2017-01-19T16:07:40 < Ecco> I wonder what can cause this power drain in STOP mode
2017-01-19T16:07:51 < Ecco> Maybe I should try to put the GPIOs in analog mode…
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2017-01-19T16:10:55 < jpa-> Tectu: did you know that you've given bad impression of yourself to Fleck?
2017-01-19T16:11:16 < Tectu> jpa-, yes he mentioned in one of his youtube video descriptions
2017-01-19T16:11:30 < Tectu> Ecco, sorry, I really don't have time right now ._.
2017-01-19T16:11:47 < Tectu> Ecco, talk to dongs or zyp, they are the low-power pro's here
2017-01-19T16:12:31 < Tectu> jpa-, it's okay though
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2017-01-19T16:13:40 < Ecco> Tectu: don't worry man, I just thought I'd say hi :)
2017-01-19T16:13:56 < Tectu> Ecco, I appreciate it :)
2017-01-19T16:14:08 < Steffanx> Jpa- is lpro too.
2017-01-19T16:14:11 < Ecco> I'm gonna work on this by myself. Of course if anyone has an idea it's always appreciated but obviously it's just a bonus :)
2017-01-19T16:14:48 < Ecco> Who's Fleck?
2017-01-19T16:15:03 < Steffanx> Its not something stupid like the systick preventing the uc from going into stop mode?
2017-01-19T16:15:10 < Tectu> Ecco, not putting your pins to some high-Z state while low-powering is some very common mistake
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2017-01-19T16:15:23 < Ecco> ok
2017-01-19T16:15:45 < Fleck> who's Ecco?
2017-01-19T16:15:48 < Ecco> :-D
2017-01-19T16:15:52 < Ecco> Well played :)
2017-01-19T16:15:58 < Ecco> Never saw you around mate
2017-01-19T16:16:05 < Ecco> That being said, I'm not here very often
2017-01-19T16:16:09 < jpa-> doesn't have to be high-z, just that any current drawn from pins is current wasted
2017-01-19T16:16:22 < Ecco> yeah I see
2017-01-19T16:16:27 < Steffanx> Jpa- stop narking.
2017-01-19T16:17:09 < Tectu> jup, high-z is only required when cutting off the voltage supply
2017-01-19T16:18:14 < Tectu> any experience with Host USB using CubeHAL?
2017-01-19T16:18:29 < Tectu> is that something I want to touch or just tell that guy that I won't touch it?
2017-01-19T16:22:58 < ReadError> sorrry was in meeting
2017-01-19T16:24:24 < BrainDamage> that's the best time for irc
2017-01-19T16:24:33 < Tectu> ^b
2017-01-19T16:24:57 < ReadError> Tectu: does that actually do anything?
2017-01-19T16:25:03 < ReadError> I only see it used in src twice
2017-01-19T16:25:21 < ReadError> 1 driver has it
2017-01-19T16:25:44 < Tectu> ReadError, it's not a driver thing, it's GDISP thing
2017-01-19T16:25:53 < Tectu> ReadError, the driver doesn't care about it at all, it never sees it
2017-01-19T16:26:03 < ReadError> right but im just mentioning where my find found it
2017-01-19T16:26:12 < Tectu> ReadError, GDISP sets it and you can use it in your board file if you have more than one display connected that uses the same driver
2017-01-19T16:27:14 < ReadError> ah so this needs to be added then
2017-01-19T16:27:22 < ReadError> by default its not configured to do anything
2017-01-19T16:27:24 < Tectu> ReadError, I don't think that your find found it in any driver.
2017-01-19T16:27:34 < Tectu> ReadError, note that driver != board file.
2017-01-19T16:27:47 < ReadError> 	lcdp = (void *)&DisplayTimings[g->controllerdisplay];
2017-01-19T16:27:47 < ReadError> 	g->priv = lcdp;
2017-01-19T16:27:47 < Tectu> ReadError, that is wrong too: It is all done for you. You don't have to configure anything yourself.
2017-01-19T16:28:02 < Tectu> ReadError, LTDC exception, okay :D
2017-01-19T16:28:05 < ReadError> maybe my example code has an outdated version 
2017-01-19T16:28:18 < ReadError> thats the skeleton I used anyways 
2017-01-19T16:28:30 < ReadError> 2.4
2017-01-19T16:28:35 < Tectu> 2.7 is current release
2017-01-19T16:28:50 < ReadError> jeeze im way behind then
2017-01-19T16:28:57 < Tectu> ReadError, doesn't change anything regarding multiple display support though. Just use that in your BOARD FILE to select the proper CS and you're all good. nothing else to do.
2017-01-19T16:29:18 < ReadError> right add a switch using controllerdisplay
2017-01-19T16:29:44 < Tectu> jop, that's all you have to do. But that's in the board file, it's up to you to do that.
2017-01-19T16:30:31 < ReadError> ok thats where the confusion was, I thought you meant the SPI driver stuff was associated with each GDISP instance 
2017-01-19T16:30:39 < ReadError> and I couldnt see how that worked 
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2017-01-19T16:45:23 < psprint> As for the Arduino compability – demonstration in CubeMX package for Nucleo-F767ZI uses this TFT shield: https://www.adafruit.com/product/802
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2017-01-19T16:52:40 < Ecco> Ha, that fixed it!
2017-01-19T16:52:45 < Ecco> Ok, so that was tricky
2017-01-19T16:52:52 < Ecco> I needed to set the pins as Analog input
2017-01-19T16:53:03 < Ecco> *and* to enable the APB1 clock to PWR register
2017-01-19T16:53:09 < Ecco> *and* to set LPDS
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2017-01-19T16:54:57 < Ecco> Well I'm not at the spec yet though
2017-01-19T16:55:24 < Ecco> But it's becoming acceptable :)
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2017-01-19T17:09:44 < dongs> psprint: ...
2017-01-19T17:10:05 < ReadError> sounds like a spambot
2017-01-19T17:10:39 < dongs> psprint: here's STM32 discovery driving a random fuckign TFT lcd connected with like 4 wires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQzxZkG36Hs without paying $35 to aidsfruit
2017-01-19T17:11:11 < Ecco> The refresh rate is decent
2017-01-19T17:11:22 < Ecco> I wonder what bus they're using
2017-01-19T17:11:25 < Ecco> maybe a fast SPI
2017-01-19T17:11:27 < dongs> ?
2017-01-19T17:11:29 < dongs> who
2017-01-19T17:12:05 < Ecco> in that vide
2017-01-19T17:12:07 < Ecco> you just linked to
2017-01-19T17:12:08 < dongs> thats mine
2017-01-19T17:12:09 < dongs> its SPI
2017-01-19T17:12:10 < Ecco> oh, ok:)
2017-01-19T17:12:18 < Ecco> Why so many wires?
2017-01-19T17:13:18 < dongs> Ecco: its 4 SPI + vcc/gnd/touchscreen chipsel + bl enable or whatever
2017-01-19T17:15:52 < dongs> no.
2017-01-19T17:17:02 < Ecco> oh, ok touchscreen
2017-01-19T17:17:30 < Ecco> I'm wondering about the MRLVDS and LPLVDS bits in the PWR_CR register
2017-01-19T17:17:38 < Ecco> I quite don't understand the ref man
2017-01-19T17:18:20 < Ecco> It seems to duplicate the FPDS bit functionality
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2017-01-19T17:21:53 < Kliment> baby's first spot welder http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Arduino-Battery-Spot-Welder/?ALLSTEPS
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2017-01-19T17:23:41 < dongs> stoners.
2017-01-19T17:23:52 < Ecco> through-hole. Cavemen.
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2017-01-19T17:30:07 < Laurenceb> the current year
2017-01-19T17:30:19 < Kliment> Ecco: So when they come out of the cave they're surface-mount-men?
2017-01-19T17:30:30 < Laurenceb> is dat kakimir on instructafail?
2017-01-19T17:32:01 < Ecco> Yeah :)
2017-01-19T17:32:23 < Laurenceb> I bet that thing run off 5v too
2017-01-19T17:32:30 < dongs> it is
2017-01-19T17:34:10 < zyp> Laurenceb, not enough SMAs
2017-01-19T17:40:28 < dongs> not enough STMs
2017-01-19T17:46:14 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt6z9hgLQxA found kakimir 
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2017-01-19T17:50:56  * karlp rofls
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2017-01-19T18:03:40 < Laurenceb> https://i.redditmedia.com/zS5loQ28i_N2sQ_wmjZPw-B3NxMJWcD41uK3cdePTQo.jpg?w=919&s=faba7f178916f82d34518c40b705517b
2017-01-19T18:03:48 < Laurenceb> found kakimir
2017-01-19T18:09:01 < Laurenceb> at least he's not Irish like me https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Scientific_racism_irish.jpg
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2017-01-19T18:21:54 < ReadError> I wish urkcloud had a better message besides 'nipped'
2017-01-19T18:26:37 < englishman> sounds like a good opportunity for a sjw bug report
2017-01-19T18:55:21 < psprint> arm-none-eabi-gcc -mcpu=cortex-m7 -mthumb -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=fpv5-d16 -D__weak=__attribute__((weak)) -D__packed=__attribute__((__packed__)) -DUSE_HAL_DRIVER -DSTM32F767xx -I"/Users/sgniazdowski/Documents/workspace/DCMI_Cube_test/Inc" -I"/Users/sgniazdowski/Documents/workspace/DCMI_Cube_test/Drivers/STM32F7xx_HAL_Driver/Inc"
2017-01-19T18:55:23 < psprint> -I"/Users/sgniazdowski/Documents/workspace/DCMI_Cube_test/Drivers/STM32F7xx_HAL_Driver/Inc/Legacy" -I"/Users/sgniazdowski/Documents/workspace/DCMI_Cube_test/Drivers/CMSIS/Device/ST/STM32F7xx/Include" -I"/Users/sgniazdowski/Documents/workspace/DCMI_Cube_test/Drivers/CMSIS/Include"  -Os -g3 -Wall -fmessage-length=0 -ffunction-sections -c -fmessage-length=0 -MMD -MP -MF"Src/main.d" -MT"Src/main.o" -o
2017-01-19T18:55:25 < psprint> "Src/main.o" "../Src/main.c"
2017-01-19T18:55:27 < psprint> /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
2017-01-19T18:55:29 < psprint> yh sorry
2017-01-19T18:56:23 < psprint> the point is CubeMX generated project has unquoted '((weak))' etc. in -D defines, how to fix this or avoid?
2017-01-19T18:59:54 < psprint> Quoted it in .cproject file, build succeeded
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2017-01-19T19:04:00 < Rob235> someone buy me this, I need a work area: https://youtu.be/wnJRlDQN1gQ
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2017-01-19T19:06:22 < Rob235> get rid of the shit it comes with and fill it with those mini compartment boxes
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2017-01-19T19:09:15 < Kliment> "and these also are remewvubble"
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2017-01-19T19:11:10 < Kliment> Rob235: aren't those ridiculously expensive?
2017-01-19T19:11:22 < Rob235> $1500-$2000
2017-01-19T19:11:47 < Kliment> There's maybe $200 of wood in there
2017-01-19T19:11:52 < Rob235> I don't plan on getting one but it doesn't change the fact that I would like one
2017-01-19T19:12:13 < Kliment> Your local hardware store will cut melamine-coated panel to size for you
2017-01-19T19:12:58 < Kliment> So you can design one yourself
2017-01-19T19:13:03 < Rob235> future project
2017-01-19T19:13:32 < Kliment> It will be sturdier than that particleboard they're using
2017-01-19T19:13:32 < Rob235> I've been wanting to learn a bit about wood working too.  just have other more interesting things on the agenda first
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2017-01-19T19:15:13 < Rob235> I just liked the concept, organization that folds away
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2017-01-19T19:50:30 < zyp> lots of shelf space but not a lot of desk space
2017-01-19T19:50:51 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRrDVmiIVHk
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2017-01-19T19:51:52 < dongs>  < psprint> /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
2017-01-19T19:51:54 < dongs> Lol
2017-01-19T19:51:59 < dongs> dudebro
2017-01-19T19:52:04 < dongs> what STM32?
2017-01-19T19:52:08 < dongs> if F0, download free keil
2017-01-19T19:52:12 < dongs> stop this opensores aids
2017-01-19T19:52:25 < dongs> cubemx project builds by keil
2017-01-19T19:53:30 < zyp> applied for a job a couple of weeks ago, I asked them today how processing applications were going, apparently they got 122 applications for it
2017-01-19T19:53:45 < zyp> fuck the job market :p
2017-01-19T19:55:11 < dongs> see, you shoulda put down "keil expert" on the resume
2017-01-19T19:55:14 < dongs> you'd have much higher chances
2017-01-19T19:55:23 < dongs> btw, i guess armclang isnt so bad, you should try it out
2017-01-19T19:55:24 < englishman> why bother looking for a job, youre about to make a killing in the EV aftermarket
2017-01-19T19:55:48 < zyp> heh
2017-01-19T19:57:35 < Steffanx> Im sure you have more skills than most other 121 zyp :P
2017-01-19T19:57:50 < Steffanx> Or do you fail to sell yourself?
2017-01-19T19:58:18 < Rickta59> will that matter if they were only advertising the job to meet some legal requirement and the job is going to someones nephew?
2017-01-19T19:58:58 < jadew> https://funixx.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/voe71ea.png
2017-01-19T19:58:58 < Steffanx> This is norway, not the us ;)
2017-01-19T19:59:26 < Steffanx> Lolol jadew
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2017-01-19T20:07:28 < psprint> debugging is cool
2017-01-19T20:08:15 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d73_1484840676
2017-01-19T20:08:43 < englishman> stefannnnnnn
2017-01-19T20:08:50 < Laurenceb> hi englishman
2017-01-19T20:08:56 < Laurenceb> whats up?
2017-01-19T20:09:11 < englishman> got a kool new job
2017-01-19T20:09:25 < englishman> so autisming furiously over that
2017-01-19T20:09:27 < englishman> u?
2017-01-19T20:09:36 < Laurenceb> fapping furiously
2017-01-19T20:09:45 < englishman> same old, then
2017-01-19T20:09:47 < Laurenceb> working on my NTPDDO
2017-01-19T20:10:02 < Laurenceb> NTPD-Disciplined oscillator
2017-01-19T20:10:39 < englishman> ripping off laurelai?
2017-01-19T20:10:47 < Laurenceb> huh?
2017-01-19T20:10:57 < englishman> ##stm32 bro's gps time source
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2017-01-19T20:16:09 < Steffanx> Was ist englishman?
2017-01-19T20:16:25 < englishman> mean laurence is posting shitty links again :x
2017-01-19T20:20:31 < Laurenceb> the ebil
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2017-01-19T20:38:41 < BrainDamage> what's the ntpd oscillator for? the rocket tracker?
2017-01-19T20:39:25 < BrainDamage> and don't you get few hundred us jitter with ntp over normal interweb links? how would that work?
2017-01-19T20:42:07 < Laurenceb> yeah rocket tracking
2017-01-19T20:42:29 < Laurenceb> if its left for an hour to stabilise ntpd is pretty accurate if system time comes from a tcxo
2017-01-19T20:42:46 < Laurenceb> ntpd adjusts for the system clock characteristics
2017-01-19T20:43:49 < Laurenceb> atm I'm getting <100µs estimated absolute error
2017-01-19T20:44:17 < Laurenceb> but jitter is much less than that over the few minutes that the rocket will be flying for
2017-01-19T20:46:28 < Steffanx> Love it how you always say "estimated" "in simulation" etc. :P
2017-01-19T20:47:09 < Steffanx> They made you a great PhDer
2017-01-19T20:47:20 < Steffanx> *Dr.
2017-01-19T20:47:31 < BrainDamage> well, it's not wrong to use sims
2017-01-19T20:47:43 < Laurenceb> I'm not using sims
2017-01-19T20:47:52 < Laurenceb> NTPD can give you all the info
2017-01-19T20:48:05 < Laurenceb> it has an internal error model
2017-01-19T20:50:19 < BrainDamage> yeah and laptop XO tend to be rather shitty http://codepad.org/Cfn4PgCI
2017-01-19T20:51:07 < Laurenceb> ouch
2017-01-19T20:51:11 < sync_> Laurenceb: use csacs
2017-01-19T20:51:29 < Laurenceb> yeah I have an ibm thinkpad, looks like they used high quality tcxo
2017-01-19T20:52:33 < Laurenceb> estimated error 87 us,
2017-01-19T20:53:34 < Laurenceb> actually you arent so bad
2017-01-19T20:57:03 < Laurenceb> the important bit is the error on its estimate of frequency offset
2017-01-19T20:58:23 < BrainDamage> which hundreds of us, like I said earlier
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2017-01-19T20:59:43 < Laurenceb> nope
2017-01-19T20:59:55 < Laurenceb> its not even measured in µs
2017-01-19T21:00:06 < Laurenceb> its measured in ppm or ppb
2017-01-19T21:00:24 < BrainDamage> oh nvm you said freq offset
2017-01-19T21:03:55 < Steffanx> nah, sure they are useful, but often impractical or not close enough to relatity. but.. at least people can write papers using it :P
2017-01-19T21:04:00 < Steffanx> @ mr BrainDamage
2017-01-19T21:04:36 < Steffanx> but we've been over this often enough. So wont do it again
2017-01-19T21:07:26 < Laurenceb> my system is at about 10ppb estimated frequency tracking error
2017-01-19T21:11:16 < Laurenceb> which translates to about 800m position error
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2017-01-19T21:34:03 < psprint> I'm running gpio/exti example. Program seems to enter HAL_NVIC_EnableIRQ(EXTI15_10_IRQn); and stay there, doing pause reveals program is sitting there. Pressing user button invokes default handler (infinite loop)
2017-01-19T21:35:37 < psprint> yeah doing Step Over on that line reveals program stays there, stepping doesn't end
2017-01-19T21:38:53 < ReadError> reset it
2017-01-19T21:41:48 < psprint> in readme of the example there is: "This implies that if HAL_Delay() is called from a peripheral ISR process, then the SysTick interrupt must have higher priority (numerically lower) than the peripheral interrupt. Otherwise the caller ISR process will be blocked."
2017-01-19T21:42:06 < psprint> they do: /* Enable and set EXTI line 15_10 Interrupt to the lowest priority */ HAL_NVIC_SetPriority(EXTI15_10_IRQn, 2, 0);
2017-01-19T21:42:51 < ReadError> has it fired?
2017-01-19T21:43:21 < ReadError> iirc something about clearing after you start it
2017-01-19T21:44:27 < ReadError> but I do a lot of drugs so my memory is shady at best
2017-01-19T21:44:58 < Laurenceb> story of my life
2017-01-19T21:45:15 < ReadError> u a lie
2017-01-19T21:45:15 < Laurenceb> sigfox is shipping https://www.cooking-hacks.com/sigfox-module-for-arduino-waspmote-raspberry-pi-intel-galileo-868-mhz-7184
2017-01-19T21:45:34 < ReadError> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRrDVmiIVHk
2017-01-19T21:45:41 < ReadError> some channer?
2017-01-19T21:46:16 < Laurenceb> not loadin
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2017-01-19T21:46:56 < ReadError> fine I hate you
2017-01-19T21:47:33 < englishman> in altidumb, there's no special string for "net label", how to put automatic net text?
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2017-01-19T21:53:49 < zyp> englishman, automatic?
2017-01-19T21:54:06 < englishman> yeah
2017-01-19T21:54:10 < englishman> like i have 100 test pads or whatever
2017-01-19T21:54:20 < englishman> instead of naming them TP69 just have it show the net name
2017-01-19T21:54:26 < zyp> normally the labels name the nets, not the opposite way around
2017-01-19T21:55:53 < englishman> well this is in PCB
2017-01-19T21:56:05 < englishman> so the net names appear as silk
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2017-01-19T22:17:17 < qyx> meh sigfox
2017-01-19T22:17:21 < qyx> much iot, no wow
2017-01-19T22:19:00 < Laurenceb> better than LoRa
2017-01-19T22:19:09 < Laurenceb> also it seems to exist now
2017-01-19T22:31:36 < Steffanx> I wonder when NB-IoT will be available. Seems to be pretty nice, as it can use (many of the) existing mobile phone networks.
2017-01-19T22:31:58 < Steffanx> With just a sw upgrade
2017-01-19T22:32:34 < zyp> was that the LTE-based thing?
2017-01-19T22:32:42 < Steffanx> Yeah.
2017-01-19T22:33:00 < zyp> ah, LTE Cat NB1
2017-01-19T22:34:44 < zyp> heh, apparently both major telcos in norway are claiming they are the first to offer it here
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2017-01-19T23:43:39 < Steffanx> Hah, that happened here too iirc, zyp :D
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2017-01-19T23:44:32 < psprint> https://community.st.com/thread/36158-gpioexti-example-halnvicenableirq-not-ending
2017-01-19T23:44:53 < psprint> any ideas?
2017-01-19T23:45:10 < Fleck> did not clear flag?
2017-01-19T23:45:57 < psprint> how to clear it?
2017-01-19T23:46:08 < psprint> it's example code it should be in general complete
2017-01-19T23:46:18 < Fleck> usually write 0 to register/bit
2017-01-19T23:46:37 < kakimir> this windows subsystem for linux seems interesting
2017-01-19T23:47:36 < kakimir> omg it's so good
2017-01-19T23:47:53 < kakimir> virtualization has been all problems for me
2017-01-19T23:57:25 < Fleck> kakimir: what subsystem?
2017-01-19T23:57:29 < ReadError> god damnit psprint 
2017-01-19T23:57:33 < ReadError> did you not listen
2017-01-19T23:57:37 < ReadError> i try to help, you ignore
2017-01-19T23:58:34 < ReadError> u r dead to me
2017-01-19T23:59:12 < kakimir> https://i-msdn.sec.s-msft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/media/windowsfeatures.png
2017-01-19T23:59:25 < ReadError> u have things backwards kakimir 
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2017-01-20T00:00:00 < Fleck> yeah :D
2017-01-20T00:00:26 < ReadError> but ya the ubuntu for win10 is pretty tight
2017-01-20T00:06:28 < kakimir> I don't have things backwards
2017-01-20T00:06:59 < kakimir> I have the best desktop and the best tools combined
2017-01-20T00:07:30 < kakimir> almost seamlessly
2017-01-20T00:12:37 < ReadError> no no
2017-01-20T00:12:43 < ReadError> linux subsystem for windows
2017-01-20T00:12:48 < ReadError> would be the right name
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2017-01-20T00:13:15 < Fleck> +1 ReadError
2017-01-20T00:13:47 < ReadError> MS is just retarded apparently 
2017-01-20T00:14:29 < jadew``> what?
2017-01-20T00:15:18 < ReadError> sub·sys·tem
2017-01-20T00:15:19 < ReadError> ˈsəbˌsistəm/
2017-01-20T00:15:19 < ReadError> noun
2017-01-20T00:15:19 < ReadError> a self-contained system within a larger system.
2017-01-20T00:15:20 < kakimir> check from google ReadError 
2017-01-20T00:15:40 < jadew``> I've been using linux for almost 2 weeks and now my pv doesn't start
2017-01-20T00:15:49 < kakimir> pv?
2017-01-20T00:15:51 < jadew``> pc
2017-01-20T00:15:55 < ReadError> kakimir: yes, MS is wrong
2017-01-20T00:16:06 < kakimir> no
2017-01-20T00:16:10 < kakimir> you are
2017-01-20T00:16:16 < kakimir> they are MS
2017-01-20T00:16:25 < jadew``> I'm on my phone now
2017-01-20T00:16:26 < ReadError> how does 'windows subsystem for linux' make any sense
2017-01-20T00:16:38 < ReadError> if it runs on windows
2017-01-20T00:16:46 < kakimir> you don't argue MS
2017-01-20T00:16:58 < Fleck> ;p
2017-01-20T00:17:00 < ReadError> I will, and ill show them who daddy is
2017-01-20T00:17:17 < jadew``> readerr, that's how they did it since nt
2017-01-20T00:17:57 < jadew``> yey power is back
2017-01-20T00:18:04 < jadew``> going to the pc 
2017-01-20T00:18:34 < ReadError> doesnt mean its right
2017-01-20T00:18:57 < jadew``> it's briliant
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2017-01-20T00:25:29 < jadew> takes linux a while to come out of hibernation
2017-01-20T00:25:51 < BrainDamage> the whole swap code is quite shit imo
2017-01-20T00:26:06 < BrainDamage> it goes at a fraction of the speed of the storage
2017-01-20T00:26:39 < jadew> it probably doesn't get much use these days
2017-01-20T00:26:47 < jadew> so nobody is working on it
2017-01-20T00:28:05 < jadew> here's an interesting difference
2017-01-20T00:28:24 < jadew> realpath() on windows formats a path even if it doesn't exist
2017-01-20T00:28:29 < jadew> on linux it doesn't
2017-01-20T00:29:07 < jadew> and by interesting, I mean annoying, cuz I have to put more work into this backup utility
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2017-01-20T00:40:24 < Laurenceb_> Trumpening imminent
2017-01-20T00:40:42 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/iDi7NYn.jpg
2017-01-20T00:42:12 < BrainDamage> it's a reference to zelda: majora's mask
2017-01-20T00:45:23 < Laurenceb_> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/6d/84/c8/6d84c8a9c62fa8f28b99e2e221ae56de.jpg
2017-01-20T00:45:31 < Laurenceb_> I see plenty of work for #highaltitude
2017-01-20T00:51:30 < kakimir> how quickly can things go shit?
2017-01-20T00:54:59 < BrainDamage> not that much? remember that he doesn't have an interest to throw everything to shit
2017-01-20T00:55:44 < kakimir> it's like weird.. every president etc. they say that oh man this one will ruin everything
2017-01-20T00:56:11 < kakimir> and he/she actually seems to ruin everything
2017-01-20T00:56:31 < kakimir> and still the world keeps running
2017-01-20T00:56:41 < BrainDamage> just don't do something stupid like public display of melanine to a cop
2017-01-20T01:02:10 < englishman> ublox wont ship from digikey to canada
2017-01-20T01:02:11 < englishman> racists
2017-01-20T01:02:38 < Laurenceb_> its going ok so far in Syria
2017-01-20T01:03:01 < Laurenceb_> bombing switched to "moderate" rebels and supply drops to Syrian army
2017-01-20T01:03:04 < Laurenceb_> seems good
2017-01-20T01:09:40 < kakimir> if I have some sort of link that I have physical access to let's say we have symmetric write and read buffers in both ends and in between is connection medium X
2017-01-20T01:09:55 < kakimir> that is irrelevant
2017-01-20T01:12:13 < englishman> oh ublox has good price breaks
2017-01-20T01:15:34 < Laurenceb_> if you can find prices :P
2017-01-20T01:15:44 < Laurenceb_> you emailed them?
2017-01-20T01:18:29 < englishman> no you can just check out
2017-01-20T01:18:34 < englishman> called digikey tho
2017-01-20T01:18:39 < englishman> confirmed racism
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2017-01-20T01:25:17 < jadew> for those of you who use linux, are there any good command line tools for making backups?
2017-01-20T01:26:24 < BrainDamage> duplicity
2017-01-20T01:26:35 < upgrdman> jadew, dd :)
2017-01-20T01:26:37 < upgrdman> no joke
2017-01-20T01:26:43 < upgrdman> just mirror to an old hdd
2017-01-20T01:26:52 < jadew> upgrdman, I'm considering if I should opensource my tool or not
2017-01-20T01:27:02  * karlp laughs
2017-01-20T01:27:12 < jadew> if there are already good solutions out there, it's not worth the hassle
2017-01-20T01:27:18 < upgrdman> jadew, iirc youre the one that like to open source stuff, but want all the credit and not allow changes?
2017-01-20T01:27:23 < jadew> karlp, why? :)
2017-01-20T01:27:26 < upgrdman> or maybe that was someone else in here
2017-01-20T01:27:35 < jadew> no, that was me
2017-01-20T01:27:40 < upgrdman> ok, then don't.
2017-01-20T01:27:41 < jadew> I only opensource stuff I don't care about :D
2017-01-20T01:28:15 < jadew> like if I don't care about credit, but it seems useful
2017-01-20T01:28:22 < jadew> I'll give it for free
2017-01-20T01:28:29 < upgrdman> why care about credit
2017-01-20T01:28:33 < upgrdman> humans are temporary.
2017-01-20T01:28:36 < jadew> if I don't care about the ideas inside, I opensource it
2017-01-20T01:29:04 < englishman> jadew syncthing is ok
2017-01-20T01:29:31 < jadew> thanks, I'll look that one up too
2017-01-20T01:29:31 < englishman> you can set it up in stages for your 3-2-1
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2017-01-20T01:32:38 < upgrdman> englishman, he on lunix
2017-01-20T01:32:41 < upgrdman> o nm
2017-01-20T01:32:48 < upgrdman> syncthing is cross dickform
2017-01-20T01:32:52 < upgrdman> i was think of synctoy
2017-01-20T01:32:53 < BrainDamage> syncthing runs on errything
2017-01-20T01:32:56 < BrainDamage> even assdroid
2017-01-20T01:33:01 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-20T01:33:22 < jadew> I'll have to look into that, I woulnd't mind having my pictures uploaded on my home server
2017-01-20T01:34:15 < jadew> speaking of syncing - any of you store your passwords with google? :)
2017-01-20T01:36:11 < jadew> such audacity to ask for all of your passwords, it's crazy
2017-01-20T01:38:03 < BrainDamage> welll
2017-01-20T01:38:17 < BrainDamage> email is the centralized backup auth for most systems
2017-01-20T01:38:52 < BrainDamage> so in practice they don't need them, they can already access all the services for which you've registered for using gmail
2017-01-20T01:39:14 < jadew> it would be harder, if you give them all your passwords tho
2017-01-20T01:39:27 < jadew> someone who wants to check up on you can do it completely undetected
2017-01-20T01:40:08 < jadew> soon you'll get targeted ads on google.com based on the contents of your hotmail account
2017-01-20T01:42:11 < Laurenceb_> lunix is overhyped
2017-01-20T01:42:25 < Laurenceb_> how can I write a GUI in visual basic to track my ip address on lunix
2017-01-20T01:43:04 < Laurenceb_> guess we can use it to go on irc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
2017-01-20T01:43:48 < jadew> I think I figured out what's keeping linux (as a desktop OS) from being great
2017-01-20T01:44:00 < jadew> it has the potential and the resources
2017-01-20T01:44:12 < jadew> the problem is that everyone is getting annoyed by different things
2017-01-20T01:44:22 < jadew> because there are so many variations of the same crap
2017-01-20T01:44:44 < jadew> so instead of having one dialog that does something and getting polished by a bazillion people
2017-01-20T01:45:06 < jadew> there are a bazillion dialogs that annoy a couple of individuals each
2017-01-20T01:45:20 < jadew> so they all end up doing the same work over and over again
2017-01-20T01:45:52 < jadew> and by the time something gets polished, it's outdated
2017-01-20T01:45:57 < jadew> and they have to start over
2017-01-20T01:46:48 < jadew> cinnamon is almost there
2017-01-20T01:47:13 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZJQCxIQlR4
2017-01-20T01:47:26 < jadew> got most of the things right, but it still has various issues and missing features that nobody has time to fix or add
2017-01-20T01:48:03 < jadew> lol Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-20T02:02:06 < Rickta59> heh .. we had a graphics designer who downloaded a virus and she had all her drives mapped to our webserver, the virus was going through wiping out all the files, I was Gibbs who saved our system by pulling the power
2017-01-20T02:03:37 < jadew> hah
2017-01-20T02:03:53 < Laurenceb_> literally CSI
2017-01-20T02:03:59 < Laurenceb_> https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/01/19/2020212/tech-firm-creates-trump-monitor-for-stock-markets
2017-01-20T02:08:45 < Laurenceb_> ED were onto something with their Trump alert traffic light system
2017-01-20T02:18:02 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10141045&cid=53699645
2017-01-20T02:18:09 < Laurenceb_> slashdot delivers
2017-01-20T02:18:16 < englishman> The pin numbering is illustrated in the schematic symbol shown in Error! Reference source not found.
2017-01-20T02:18:18 < englishman> gj ftdi
2017-01-20T02:21:52 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10141045&cid=53699757
2017-01-20T02:22:00 < Laurenceb_> sounds like a plan
2017-01-20T02:25:52 < Laurenceb_> lul trumpening moar like trollening
2017-01-20T02:25:54 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/
2017-01-20T02:30:54 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5oy7iy/admins_hate_him_this_70_year_old_billionaire_and/?st=iy52l9wb&sh=1e316555
2017-01-20T02:31:21 < Laurenceb_> we have entered Poe land
2017-01-20T02:34:00 < Laurenceb_> I think we truly have
2017-01-20T02:34:11 < Laurenceb_>  /r/danknasheed has turned into a pro isis channel
2017-01-20T02:34:57 < zyp> take this to ##trump or something
2017-01-20T02:37:21 < Laurenceb_> hmm does that exist
2017-01-20T02:37:33 < zyp> idk, go create it or something
2017-01-20T02:37:52 < Laurenceb_> lul its actually got a load of people there
2017-01-20T02:37:59 < zyp> good, have fun
2017-01-20T02:38:08 < Laurenceb_> I'll try to trigger them
2017-01-20T02:38:34 < zyp> good luck, you don't need to report back your success
2017-01-20T02:43:30 < emeb> seems like everywhere you look these days you can't get away from "that man"
2017-01-20T02:43:34 < emeb> :P
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2017-01-20T02:53:59 < englishman> the internet was supposed to set us free !
2017-01-20T03:01:24 < zyp> which Neil Stephenson book is your favorite?
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2017-01-20T03:03:32 < zyp> Neuromancer is William Gibson
2017-01-20T03:03:56 < zyp> and that guy was running around with some kind of weighted whip or something :p
2017-01-20T03:04:08 < Thorn> launch in 15 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi2_yIFylxo
2017-01-20T03:04:19 < zyp> Snow Crash had that pizza guy, I think he had a katana
2017-01-20T03:04:54 < zyp> sure, all cyberpunk
2017-01-20T03:05:33 < zyp> if you liked those, I'd recommend Altered Carbon
2017-01-20T03:05:43 < zyp> read it some weeks ago, pretty good
2017-01-20T03:05:46 < BrainDamage> yes snow crash has the katana hacker and rocket powered dogs
2017-01-20T03:05:54 < BrainDamage> and a seriously underwhelming end
2017-01-20T03:06:37 < zyp> hmm, I don't remember how it ended
2017-01-20T03:06:51 < zyp> but then again I tend to remember the good parts
2017-01-20T03:06:58 < Thorn> osx doesn't send set_configuration unti I open the device with libusb
2017-01-20T03:07:07 < zyp> yeah, Cryptonomicon felt pretty dragged out
2017-01-20T03:07:13 < zyp> I liked Seveneves
2017-01-20T03:08:27 < BrainDamage> I've read snow crash few weeks ago
2017-01-20T03:08:29 < zyp> haven't read Diamond Age yet
2017-01-20T03:08:45 < zyp> but I saw it in the list last I looked for recommandations
2017-01-20T03:09:34 < zyp> ended up picking up Rainbow's End instead
2017-01-20T03:09:45 < zyp> which I haven't gotten far enough into that I get it yet :p
2017-01-20T03:10:19 < zyp> wait, it's spelled Rainbows End
2017-01-20T03:10:52 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-20T03:11:13 < zyp> I'm not very into fantasy, so I haven't read that
2017-01-20T03:11:28 < BrainDamage> it's not very fantasy
2017-01-20T03:11:57 < BrainDamage> I mean, it has some nonrealistic elements like dragons, etc, but they are used sparingly
2017-01-20T03:12:08 < zyp> only fantasy I've read recently is the Kingkiller Chronicles
2017-01-20T03:12:15 < BrainDamage> nah, I've read much more "in your face" fantasy
2017-01-20T03:12:46 < zyp> I usually prefer scifi
2017-01-20T03:13:17 < zyp> although I've read a bunch of other shit as well
2017-01-20T03:14:04 < zyp> couple years ago I read that Nabokov book that's probably Laurenceb_'s favorite
2017-01-20T03:14:31 < Laurenceb_> what was this book called?
2017-01-20T03:14:52 < dongs> sup pros
2017-01-20T03:14:59 < zyp> Laurenceb_, haha, what do you think?
2017-01-20T03:15:13 < BrainDamage> "mein kampf" probably
2017-01-20T03:15:14 < Laurenceb_> I'm not big on books
2017-01-20T03:15:26 < Laurenceb_> my last read was the unibomber manifesto
2017-01-20T03:15:36 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: close enough
2017-01-20T03:15:41 < zyp> Nabokov is the guy who wrote Lolita
2017-01-20T03:15:45 < Laurenceb_> oh cool
2017-01-20T03:15:58 < Laurenceb_> yeah I should read that to become a proper shitlord
2017-01-20T03:16:10 < zyp> BrainDamage, I actually considered buying a paper copy of that last year
2017-01-20T03:16:32 < ReadError> englishman: curiousignore.pl                 0.3     2013-10-22 | Remove messages from a nick and only print nick.
2017-01-20T03:16:42 < Laurenceb_> its pretty original at least
2017-01-20T03:17:08 < zyp> one of my friends with a VW once joked about his car arriving with a factory-installed mein kampf in the glovebox
2017-01-20T03:17:21 < ReadError> its a weewee chat script
2017-01-20T03:17:33 < zyp> so when I got a VW myself I thought about actually getting the book and putting it in the glovebox to one-up him
2017-01-20T03:18:07 < zyp> but it turns out all you get are annotated copies for educational use, and that took all the fun out of it
2017-01-20T03:18:12 < BrainDamage> giant space dildo is on hold
2017-01-20T03:18:23 < dongs> which
2017-01-20T03:18:25 < Laurenceb_> mein kampf is really boring
2017-01-20T03:18:32 < dongs> is spacex launching again?
2017-01-20T03:18:39 < Laurenceb_> it's literally like the supreme gentleman manifesto
2017-01-20T03:18:43 < BrainDamage> atlas V
2017-01-20T03:18:45 < Laurenceb_> dongs: not for a couple of weeks
2017-01-20T03:18:54 < Laurenceb_> unibomber is actually a fun read
2017-01-20T03:19:41 < BrainDamage> you're not exactly a good metric to rank "fun reads" considering the material you paste regularry
2017-01-20T03:20:00 < ReadError> ^ lol
2017-01-20T03:20:15 < Laurenceb_> Hitler didn't understand that a manifesto has to be entertaining and gripping to read
2017-01-20T03:20:33 < zyp> Lolita was actually kinda interesting in the beginning
2017-01-20T03:20:45 < dongs> http://hackaday.com/2017/01/19/autodesk-moves-eagle-to-subscription-only-pricing/ Lol
2017-01-20T03:20:48 < dongs> RIP eagle
2017-01-20T03:20:48 < Laurenceb_> unlike Kaczynski
2017-01-20T03:21:01 < PeterM> i thought rip eagle because it was shit but anyway...
2017-01-20T03:21:17 < Laurenceb_> wut no eagle
2017-01-20T03:21:19 < Laurenceb_> RAGE
2017-01-20T03:21:38 < zyp> dongs, got email spam about that
2017-01-20T03:21:48 < dongs> sorry to hear that you're on thier list
2017-01-20T03:22:21 < zyp> dongs, well, I bought eagle once
2017-01-20T03:22:51 < dongs> diptrace doesn't even have a mailing list :(
2017-01-20T03:23:11 < zyp> I don't think eagle does either, they probably just spammed old customers
2017-01-20T03:23:12 < dongs> actually neither does altium, or at least im not opted in
2017-01-20T03:23:24 < zyp> can't remember having received anything before
2017-01-20T03:23:40 < dongs> haha, final effort to try and make some sales
2017-01-20T03:23:44 < dongs> before it fades into obscurity
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2017-01-20T03:24:00 < zyp> eh, didn't altium use to send mails about new shit regularly?
2017-01-20T03:24:11 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: this is you https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cyl8iiaVIAA6f13?format=jpg&name=large
2017-01-20T03:24:19 < zyp> like «now we've got these new fancy part available in the vault» or whatnot
2017-01-20T03:24:30 < zyp> I think I got a bunch of that on my old jobmail
2017-01-20T03:24:39 < zyp> don't have that mail account anymore though
2017-01-20T03:25:07 < Laurenceb_> so no moar free eagle?
2017-01-20T03:25:26 < zyp> Laurenceb_, yes they do
2017-01-20T03:25:29 < dongs> there's free version thats still aids
2017-01-20T03:25:45 < zyp> and the standard version of eagle doesn't seem overly expensive either
2017-01-20T03:25:47 < Laurenceb_> this is why we should support stallman
2017-01-20T03:25:49 < jadew> Laurenceb_, where's that from?
2017-01-20T03:25:56 < Laurenceb_> jadew: 4chan of course
2017-01-20T03:26:01 < zyp> but it's still limited to 2L and that's retarded
2017-01-20T03:26:01  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2017-01-20T03:26:07 < jadew> I mean the background image
2017-01-20T03:26:49 < BrainDamage> jadew: I'd guess the bataclan in france
2017-01-20T03:26:53 < zyp> the premium pricing is too expensive for hobby use
2017-01-20T03:26:57 < dongs> https://twitter.com/macegr/status/821847340201848832 lol fun twitterread
2017-01-20T03:27:08 < dongs> Autodesk EAGLE ‏@ADSKEAGLE  Jan 19
2017-01-20T03:27:09 < dongs> More You are now able to access EAGLE anywhere by using an Autodesk account. No need for installing and licensing on new machines.
2017-01-20T03:27:11 < zyp> and I assume the old noncommercial hobbyist license isn't offered anymore
2017-01-20T03:27:13 < aandrew> yeah
2017-01-20T03:27:16 < dongs> zyp: correct,
2017-01-20T03:27:17 < aandrew> $500/yr
2017-01-20T03:27:20 < aandrew> hilarious
2017-01-20T03:27:47 < zyp> well, $500/year is pretty cheap compared to altium :p
2017-01-20T03:28:20 < dongs> the functionality is shit too, compared
2017-01-20T03:28:26 < dongs> its like comparing eagle to say kikecad
2017-01-20T03:28:36 < dongs> as shit as eagle is, at least it works
2017-01-20T03:28:48 < aandrew> I'd rather use kicad than spend $500/yr on eagle
2017-01-20T03:28:51 < aandrew> it's simply not worth the money
2017-01-20T03:28:53 < aandrew> not even close
2017-01-20T03:28:55 < zyp> idk, haven't kicad more or less caught up to eagle by now?
2017-01-20T03:29:04 < aandrew> I paid $700 for about 5 years between updates
2017-01-20T03:29:21 < aandrew> then I used alitum for one design and said "fuck eagle right in the ear"
2017-01-20T03:30:18 < ReadError> hey, me 2
2017-01-20T03:30:27 < aandrew> diptrace is its own kind of silliness
2017-01-20T03:30:34 < ReadError> eh diptrace worked tho
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2017-01-20T03:30:59 < ReadError> it was way more unlame than eagle
2017-01-20T03:31:51 < zyp> so I assume all you altium users have a legal license for it? :p
2017-01-20T03:32:41 < ReadError> 'medicine' 
2017-01-20T03:33:02 < aandrew> zyp: I do
2017-01-20T03:33:12 < aandrew> I think dogs does too
2017-01-20T03:33:14 < aandrew> dongs
2017-01-20T03:33:18 < ReadError> aandrew: legal for how you use it?
2017-01-20T03:33:21 < zyp> yeah, and me
2017-01-20T03:33:28 < ReadError> or paid for edu ? :)
2017-01-20T03:33:30 < aandrew> ReadError: well that's debatable :-)
2017-01-20T03:33:32 < aandrew> edu
2017-01-20T03:33:41 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-01-20T03:33:45 < aandrew> my argument is that I'm still learning :-)
2017-01-20T03:34:10 < ReadError> how much is the legit lic a year?
2017-01-20T03:39:04 < zyp> ReadError, looks like my old company was quoted $1700, but that was a year and a half ago and the exchange rate might have made it different by now
2017-01-20T03:39:20 < zyp> (quote in NOK, about $1700 with today's exchange rate)
2017-01-20T03:39:53 < zyp> and I'm not sure if it includes norwegian VAT or not
2017-01-20T03:40:09 < zyp> ah, no VAT it says
2017-01-20T03:40:12 < ReadError> they really fucked up with circuitmaker
2017-01-20T03:40:26 < ReadError> they should have done some hobby lic w/ the full version
2017-01-20T03:40:43 < zyp> one of my friends made a few boards with circuitmaker
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2017-01-20T03:41:37 < zyp> didn't seem too bad apart from the ribbon UI
2017-01-20T03:41:51 < ReadError> keyboard shortcuts
2017-01-20T03:41:52 < zyp> and the fact that design files can't be ported to AD
2017-01-20T03:42:04 < ReadError> no good export options
2017-01-20T03:42:23 < zyp> well, but that's kind of the point
2017-01-20T03:42:36 < ReadError> they should have sold export credits
2017-01-20T03:42:38 < ReadError> or something
2017-01-20T03:42:42 < ReadError> pay 9.99 get altium file
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2017-01-20T03:44:09 < ReadError> i dont much fancy something that doesnt let me have a local copy 
2017-01-20T03:44:22 < ReadError> for all I know they shitcan the entire project a year from now
2017-01-20T03:44:36 < zyp> I think that's what made my friend get tired of it too
2017-01-20T03:44:43 < zyp> so he pirated AD instead
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2017-01-20T04:04:22 < ColdKeybo[a]rd> Does anyone have a suggestion for circuit for PWM-ing 3-pin and 4-pin PC fans?
2017-01-20T04:05:00 < ColdKeybo[a]rd> I'm just concerned with switching inductive load and how to properly size mosfet and flyback diodes?
2017-01-20T04:05:02 < stvn> stm32
2017-01-20T04:05:24 < jadew> aren't those fans taking care of that themselves?
2017-01-20T04:06:07 < zyp> 4-pin fans should be
2017-01-20T04:06:21 < stvn> i cut the pwm pin and it floated high 
2017-01-20T04:06:24 < stvn> whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2017-01-20T04:06:36 < jadew> stvn, I think they're pulled high
2017-01-20T04:06:51 < stvn> oh well whatever it did, 100% on
2017-01-20T04:06:52 < jadew> and the PWM signal basically tells them how slow they should spin
2017-01-20T04:07:08 < ColdKeybo[a]rd> Well I'm thinking of having a header that will actually cut +12V from FAN, that way I can use same circuit for 3-pin and 4-pin fan :)
2017-01-20T04:07:35 < stvn> all i know is it had 5V ground tachout and pwm
2017-01-20T04:07:53 < jadew> oh
2017-01-20T04:08:04 < jadew> wait
2017-01-20T04:08:11 < jadew> was it a 5V fan?
2017-01-20T04:08:21 < stvn> this particular one in my case was
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2017-01-20T04:08:43 < ColdKeybo[a]rd> stvn: Tachout should be open-drain/collector? Sometimes it's internally pulled high but you can use diode to make sure it's only open-drain/collector :)
2017-01-20T04:09:07 < stvn> i just probed it with a scope to confirm what it was, didn't care either way
2017-01-20T04:09:08 < ColdKeybo[a]rd> Cathode on Tach and Anode on input pin + pull-up to +3.3
2017-01-20T04:09:57 < stvn> today i'm cleaning drink out of cdj2000nxs2
2017-01-20T04:10:48 < stvn> i'll see if this one has a destroyed $530 mainboard
2017-01-20T04:10:56 < ColdKeybo[a]rd> So I was wondering if PWM-ing the GND of fan create a lot of noise of huge spikes?
2017-01-20T04:11:19 < stvn> pwming a brussless DC fan 
2017-01-20T04:11:30 < stvn> brushless lol
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2017-01-20T04:13:47 < ColdKeybo[a]rd> good/bad thing?
2017-01-20T04:14:43 < stvn> pwming the power rail for a brushless dc motor drive, what do you think?
2017-01-20T04:15:15 < ColdKeybo[a]rd> Well, low side, but stil...
2017-01-20T04:15:29 < stvn> it will work somewhat....
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2017-01-20T04:16:51 < stvn> low frequency pwm would be the happy
2017-01-20T04:19:18 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/Uyf6x98.gifv
2017-01-20T04:21:24 < jsoft> What happens in general when the BRR is set wrong on a UART? Will it just output at the wrong rate, or is it possible to actually not output anything on the pin?
2017-01-20T04:22:33 < ReadError> wtf upgrdman 
2017-01-20T04:22:38 < ReadError> i was waiting for something to happen
2017-01-20T04:22:42 < ReadError> but it didnt
2017-01-20T04:23:49 < PeterM> thats a porsche cayenne right?
2017-01-20T04:24:52 < PeterM> i probably wouldnt be doing that, that shit'll probably get bvogged, ro rust the fuck out
2017-01-20T04:25:05 < englishman> eagle is no longer freeforcloning??????? nice
2017-01-20T04:26:55 < englishman> jadew: bataclan
2017-01-20T04:28:40 < englishman> yea cayenne
2017-01-20T04:28:43 < englishman> they are shit
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2017-01-20T04:29:26 < stvn> Thinking of switching to KiCad? Download the software for free here: http://kicad-pcb.org/download/  Get help here (forum): https://forum.kicad.info/ 
2017-01-20T04:29:32 < stvn> :D
2017-01-20T04:42:08 < ReadError> yall supppose a pressure transducer could be used to measure flowrate ?
2017-01-20T04:42:15 < ReadError> if backpressure is consistent 
2017-01-20T04:42:24 < ReadError> for a gas
2017-01-20T04:50:40 < PeterM> not reliably
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2017-01-20T04:56:40 < stvn> senpai
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2017-01-20T04:59:44 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/bxuUvGZ.jpg
2017-01-20T04:59:53 < stvn> such engineering; very wow
2017-01-20T05:00:30 < ReadError> PeterM: not much in the way of digital ones for gas
2017-01-20T05:01:07 < ReadError> was lookin at the pinwheel style shits and putting some LED sensor break
2017-01-20T05:01:17 < ReadError> but all those seemed pretty garbage 
2017-01-20T05:03:01 < stvn> ReadError, where is sensei!
2017-01-20T05:03:14 < ReadError> off fighting the internet
2017-01-20T05:03:33 < ReadError> making punch and pies to celebrate AMERICA BECOMING GR8 AGAIN
2017-01-20T05:03:38 < stvn> maybe he teach japanese engineer to make dsp board without bodgewire
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2017-01-20T05:10:01 < stvn> innovate with sensei(tm)
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2017-01-20T05:11:30 < stvn> hi peter
2017-01-20T05:12:03 < PeterM> ReadError pinwheel style, tiny magnet, tiny hall sensor
2017-01-20T05:12:08 < PeterM> or hall switch
2017-01-20T05:12:11 < PeterM> hi stvn
2017-01-20T05:12:34 < ReadError> PeterM: there wasnt many that would accept NPT fittings easily
2017-01-20T05:12:39 < ReadError> mostly barb'd connectors
2017-01-20T05:12:56 < PeterM> buy some npt taps and dies?
2017-01-20T05:12:58 < ReadError> i snagged a new o2 0-99.9% 
2017-01-20T05:13:03 < ReadError> sensor
2017-01-20T05:13:12 < ReadError> nah they are all shitty plastic ;(
2017-01-20T05:13:22 < PeterM> o
2017-01-20T05:13:26 < PeterM> sux2bu
2017-01-20T05:13:29 < ReadError> yaz
2017-01-20T05:14:35 < stvn> better buy more stm32
2017-01-20T05:16:02 < PeterM> i wonder how well http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-4-Inch-Gas-Meter-Pulse-Output-Data-Communication-for-Remote-Usage-Reading-40-/180865221696?hash=item2a1c684440:g:KksAAOSwImRYGNzZ work/can be modified
2017-01-20T05:16:28 < PeterM> This meter generates 1 pulse per cubic foot of gas that passes through it
2017-01-20T05:16:46 < PeterM> i mean, thats for natural gas i assume 
2017-01-20T05:16:55 < PeterM> but i wonder how well it works for 02
2017-01-20T05:19:33 < ReadError> yea the pressure range is kinda funky 
2017-01-20T05:19:40 < ReadError> 7.25psi max
2017-01-20T05:20:20 < ReadError> that was the other thing, need to figure out the extremes to even spec one out too
2017-01-20T05:20:40 < ReadError> since they seem to be split by flow rate ranges
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2017-01-20T05:23:48 < ReadError> https://www.periscope.tv/w/1rmxPrXMDgQGN#
2017-01-20T05:33:52 < englishman> saw vertical video, closed
2017-01-20T05:33:53 < englishman> can sd cards run at 1.8V
2017-01-20T05:33:56 < englishman> hmm only some
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2017-01-20T05:36:14 < AndroUser> Well hows about that distinct lack of electricity
2017-01-20T05:36:43 < AndroUser> Also wtf I changed my nick on this shit qtf
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2017-01-20T05:41:13 < englishman> hmm no
2017-01-20T05:41:24 < englishman> 1.8v signalling but still 3v3 supply and only in certain modes it switches into
2017-01-20T05:41:40 < englishman> so if my part is 1.8v signalling i need a voltage translator no matter what?
2017-01-20T06:19:12 < upgrdman> <stvn> http://i.imgur.com/bxuUvGZ.jpg
2017-01-20T06:19:19 < upgrdman> such refdes very wow
2017-01-20T06:20:21 < stvn> hi
2017-01-20T06:20:28 < upgrdman> hai
2017-01-20T06:21:41 < stvn> excellent
2017-01-20T06:22:02 < upgrdman> heh, just discovered that my former employer is going out of business
2017-01-20T06:22:15 < upgrdman> im gone for a year and a half, and they fold up shop
2017-01-20T06:22:33 < stvn> the dogs.
2017-01-20T06:22:50 < upgrdman> legit sucks for that guys that were there though.
2017-01-20T06:23:12 < upgrdman> although for what they got paid, im sure they can find better
2017-01-20T06:33:31 < ohsix> lul
2017-01-20T06:33:35 < ohsix> money money money
2017-01-20T06:33:37 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol
2017-01-20T06:33:39 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice
2017-01-20T06:33:50 < ohsix> did you leave because they were flagging or wut
2017-01-20T06:33:58 < upgrdman> R2COM, im guessing next there'll be a porn vr game for you, and you can thrust into a fleshlight on that gimbal
2017-01-20T06:34:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, left because pay sucked and it was a dead end.
2017-01-20T06:34:28 < ohsix> word
2017-01-20T06:34:42 < ohsix> i get to do some rework for new biz thing tomorrow
2017-01-20T06:34:54 < ohsix> the people that run the lab are taking on more business cuz i'm there huhuhu
2017-01-20T06:35:04 < upgrdman> it did seem like a death spiral was going on, but at the time i didn't think it would actually come to an end
2017-01-20T06:35:20 < ohsix> company in town was sending stuff to texas for rework, so we're gonna do some of it here and see if it works out
2017-01-20T06:35:36 < englishman> upgrdman: which hobbyshop
2017-01-20T06:35:41 < englishman> a lot of em are closing
2017-01-20T06:35:45 < upgrdman> ohsix, so youre a repair tech? basic iron + hot air stuff?
2017-01-20T06:36:02 < upgrdman> englishman, hobbypeople
2017-01-20T06:36:15 < englishman> no way
2017-01-20T06:36:19 < englishman> yeah theyre super dead
2017-01-20T06:36:20 < upgrdman> ?
2017-01-20T06:36:33 < upgrdman> ya no shit. they even say it on their home page, lol
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2017-01-20T06:37:58 < ohsix> upgrdman: nah it's just there
2017-01-20T06:38:06 < upgrdman> englishman, owner of the company died a month ago. wonder if they just kept it going until he was gone and now the wife is done with it.
2017-01-20T06:38:16 < englishman> ah, that doesnt help
2017-01-20T06:38:16 < ohsix> was assembling stuff for another company on monday/tuesday tho
2017-01-20T06:38:33 < ohsix> i don't even know what the boards are or anything
2017-01-20T06:38:38 < upgrdman> englishman, well the owner was pretty hands off. had health issues for a long time.
2017-01-20T06:38:43 < ohsix> we could end up assembling them too
2017-01-20T06:38:54 < upgrdman> the "president" did the executive shit
2017-01-20T06:39:21 < upgrdman> and the president was weird. like legit ADHD or something.
2017-01-20T06:39:36 < ohsix> sounds like dickbutts
2017-01-20T06:40:12 < upgrdman> sadly if they would have run things better they could have come out on top
2017-01-20T06:40:12 < ohsix> soldered with the stereo microscope today, why do your hands and shit adapt so quickly to what you're seeing
2017-01-20T06:40:23 < upgrdman> but they kept refusing to stock shit that people want to buy
2017-01-20T06:40:44 < ohsix> shaking holding something at 6 inches with naked eye, nothing on scope at all, and looking at something that's like .3mm
2017-01-20T06:41:17 < upgrdman> ohsix, nice. i've used my note5 as a ghetto microscope when reworking some shit
2017-01-20T06:41:28 < upgrdman> also got used to it pretty quick
2017-01-20T06:41:44 < ohsix> i even said on twatter that it would take some time
2017-01-20T06:41:46 < ohsix> and it didn't
2017-01-20T06:42:25 < ohsix> even the tiniest needle soldering tip thing i had is huuuuuuuuge at 3x+10x
2017-01-20T06:42:53 < ohsix> need to buy different tweezers cuz the ones we have are no good at that size
2017-01-20T06:43:39 < ohsix> the microscope we have isn't expensive either, if i ever finish labbing up in here i'm buying it when i get a soldering station, that important
2017-01-20T06:47:17 < englishman> well you gotta be pretty nutso to open a hobbyshop
2017-01-20T06:47:47 < englishman> and every.single.one ive been in, it feels like the guy is always doing me a favour by letting me in
2017-01-20T06:48:31 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-20T06:48:32 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-20T06:49:06 < upgrdman> i was in one of their stores at first, then went to corporate for the majority of my time with them
2017-01-20T06:49:16 < upgrdman> in the stores it was so frustrating
2017-01-20T06:49:34 < upgrdman> turning away customers because we didnt have what they wanted, or were sold out of it
2017-01-20T06:49:45 < upgrdman> even simple just like common battery sizes or servos, etc.
2017-01-20T06:49:45 < englishman> yeah thats the canadian way
2017-01-20T06:50:17 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-01-20T06:50:18 < englishman> the american way is supposed to be "sure no problem!!! itl be 3 days" then figure out wtf to do after customer has left
2017-01-20T06:51:04 < englishman> hobbyshops suck at batteries especially
2017-01-20T06:51:13 < upgrdman> englishman, so what other hobbyshops are going out of business? i've not paid attention to RC in a while
2017-01-20T06:51:26 < englishman> its been too long dominated by horizon and traxxas
2017-01-20T06:51:39 < englishman> pretty much all the non chinese ones
2017-01-20T06:51:43 < englishman> and even some chinese ones
2017-01-20T06:51:59 < englishman> i dono they all blend together
2017-01-20T06:52:03 < upgrdman> ya hobbyking is doing great :) everyone else, not so much
2017-01-20T06:52:08 < englishman> even the new wave ones are shuttering
2017-01-20T06:52:14 < upgrdman> who
2017-01-20T06:52:14 < englishman> hobbyking closed usa east
2017-01-20T06:52:18 < upgrdman> orly?
2017-01-20T06:52:28 < englishman> yea
2017-01-20T06:52:57 < englishman> pal of anthony hand says their sales have tanked
2017-01-20T06:53:08 < englishman> they were on the fpv upswing but havent kept up
2017-01-20T06:53:21 < englishman> and all their traditional shit is awful
2017-01-20T06:53:22 < englishman> like
2017-01-20T06:53:24 < englishman> they had good planes
2017-01-20T06:53:35 < englishman> and stopped making them to make multirotor shit that sucks
2017-01-20T06:53:46 < englishman> all the current planes look like they were designed by homer simpson
2017-01-20T06:53:50 < upgrdman> wouldnt that affect all of HK? not just east?
2017-01-20T06:53:56 < englishman> sure
2017-01-20T06:54:14 < ohsix> jpa-: plain twine will work just fine too huhu
2017-01-20T06:54:34 < ohsix> englishman: i met the guy that owned the local hobby shoppe
2017-01-20T06:54:46 < ohsix> he was in the arduino class a pal of mine teaches olol
2017-01-20T06:55:12 < englishman> like this https://hobbyking.com/en_us/duraflytm-efx-racer-high-performance-sports-model-pnf-yellow-edition.html
2017-01-20T06:55:18 < englishman> was the greatest plane i have ever owned
2017-01-20T06:55:21 < englishman> discontinued!
2017-01-20T06:55:24 < englishman> lets check the new items page
2017-01-20T06:55:29 < englishman> https://hobbyking.com/en_us/catalog/product/view/id/62681/s/gep-ax5-airbus-215
2017-01-20T06:55:29 < englishman> lol
2017-01-20T06:55:31 < englishman> garbage
2017-01-20T06:55:52 < upgrdman> englishman, idk DuraFly is a HK brand?
2017-01-20T06:55:53 < upgrdman> is it
2017-01-20T06:55:55 < englishman> yes
2017-01-20T06:56:00 < upgrdman> huh ok
2017-01-20T06:56:57 < PeterM_obile> englishman hk sold a cheap 4s 5000mah lipo that I know people bought literally 100s of,  then they stopped stocking it
2017-01-20T06:57:17 < englishman> exactly
2017-01-20T06:57:34 < englishman> though that may have been from a dumpster that they 'found' or whatever
2017-01-20T06:58:09 < PeterM_obile> I doubt it
2017-01-20T06:58:26 < englishman> well lipos are complicated
2017-01-20T06:58:29 < englishman> in volume
2017-01-20T06:58:38 < englishman> you bid against all the other lipo repackagers
2017-01-20T06:59:19 < upgrdman> can 4s 5Ah be shipped easily?
2017-01-20T06:59:37 < upgrdman> back when i was at HP it was getting difficult to ground ship 5S 4Ah
2017-01-20T06:59:42 < PeterM_obile> Yah,  it was under the max watthour
2017-01-20T06:59:48 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-20T07:00:30 < PeterM_obile> I think max was 75wh,  this was 72
2017-01-20T07:00:43 < englishman> digikey doesnt even wanna fedex me a 2mAh cell battery
2017-01-20T07:03:20 < PeterM_obile> Actually... I think lipos may have been keeping hk afloat,  becauase they seem to have tanked after the big issues with shipping them
2017-01-20T07:04:00 < ohsix> ReadError: https://twitter.com/flyinglotus/status/822282801722441729
2017-01-20T07:04:24 < upgrdman> so if all hobby shops are folding, where are idiots buying quads from
2017-01-20T07:04:34 < upgrdman> is walmart selling DJI or someshit
2017-01-20T07:04:43 < ohsix> banggood and goodluckbuy
2017-01-20T07:04:55 < ohsix> everything is so cheap now
2017-01-20T07:05:19 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya buy most noobs want a retail store
2017-01-20T07:05:26 < upgrdman> experienced... sure, online 100%
2017-01-20T07:05:43 < upgrdman> s/buy/but
2017-01-20T07:05:54 < ohsix> ehh dunno about that, but fair enough
2017-01-20T07:06:02 < ohsix> the walmarts have quads as toys now
2017-01-20T07:06:10 < ohsix> and ya dji is well known even among dumbos
2017-01-20T07:07:55 < englishman> PeterM_obile: good theory
2017-01-20T07:08:02 < stvn> cook some hotdogs
2017-01-20T07:08:09 < englishman> upgrdman: banggood
2017-01-20T07:08:45 < englishman> and the new wave shops
2017-01-20T07:08:49 < upgrdman> so is BG overtaking HK?
2017-01-20T07:08:54 < englishman> but they are all operating on razor thin margins
2017-01-20T07:08:57 < englishman> chinese margins
2017-01-20T07:09:03 < upgrdman> what "new wave" shops?
2017-01-20T07:09:22 < englishman> like, not hobbyking / shops run by old men with spektrum on the shelf
2017-01-20T07:09:37 < englishman> people that have never had an AMA membership
2017-01-20T07:10:05 < PeterM_obile> DID YOU SAY ORANGE!?!?!?
2017-01-20T07:10:13 < PeterM_obile> Lll
2017-01-20T07:10:45 < ohsix> lewl, there is a story going around about a truck spill of defective skittles, they were being used as cow feed
2017-01-20T07:12:17 < upgrdman> ohsix, nice. give the cows diabetes
2017-01-20T07:12:20 < PeterM_obile> I used to fuck around with building my own weird ass foamies,  so I went through about 1 rx/weekend,  so hk orange shit supported that habbit
2017-01-20T07:14:54 < ohsix> woah david firth is in kuso
2017-01-20T07:17:40 < ohsix> only problem with new business: i gotta get up early
2017-01-20T07:17:59 < ohsix> real life people get up to work in the morning
2017-01-20T07:18:18 < upgrdman> so is RC like legit dieing? old forums i used to be on are fucking dead (helifreak, etc.)
2017-01-20T07:18:51 < PeterM_obile> Normies ruined it a bit
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2017-01-20T07:20:18 < PeterMobile> Flying quads everywhere, getting people mad at them
2017-01-20T07:20:36 < englishman> who flies helis????
2017-01-20T07:20:38 < PeterMobile> Then people hated anyone who flew anything
2017-01-20T07:20:43 < englishman> only germans can afford that shit
2017-01-20T07:20:48 < englishman> you cant even crash it more than once
2017-01-20T07:21:07 < ohsix> upgrdman: nah not really
2017-01-20T07:21:21 < ohsix> but there is a different set of buyers and shit now
2017-01-20T07:21:29 < PeterMobile> That and if you crash a heli you legit could kill someone easy
2017-01-20T07:21:52 < ohsix> how many people do you think are into model trains, compared to the last generation or 5 that made it a thing
2017-01-20T07:22:13 < upgrdman> englishman, "helis" as in CP? i used to.
2017-01-20T07:22:15 < ohsix> hobby shop == be cool and have a lot of stock you might only sell to one dude in town
2017-01-20T07:22:25 < englishman> yea CP
2017-01-20T07:22:50 < upgrdman> at one point i had 7 or 8 cp helis. 4 of them nitro.
2017-01-20T07:23:06 < upgrdman> i have like 3 in my closet i should dust off. will need ot buy batteries for them tho
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2017-01-20T07:24:04 < upgrdman> i miss this guy, sold him years ago tho  http://www.farrellf.com/projects/art/2008-04-28_Swept_Back_Triangles_RC_Heli_Canopy/stripes_overview2.jpg
2017-01-20T07:24:17 < upgrdman> fun and cheap to crash
2017-01-20T07:24:27 < englishman> 2008 is pretty early for fbl
2017-01-20T07:24:48 < upgrdman> ya thats not FBL
2017-01-20T07:24:58 < englishman> o
2017-01-20T07:25:06 < englishman> yea perspective made the paddles invisible
2017-01-20T07:25:10 < upgrdman> :)
2017-01-20T07:26:05 < upgrdman> and this was my favorite canopy to fly  http://www.farrellf.com/projects/art/2008-12-30_A_Vibrant_Canopy_for_the_EF_Cypher_Heli/yor_overview1.jpg
2017-01-20T07:26:26 < upgrdman> looked like a comic book comet flying throug the air
2017-01-20T07:26:43 < englishman> yeah all that old trash is dead
2017-01-20T07:26:44 < englishman> http://www.banggood.com/ALZRC-Devil-450-Pro-V2-SDCDFC-RC-Helicopter-Super-Combo-p-1101519.html?rmmds=search
2017-01-20T07:27:18 < upgrdman> is align dead
2017-01-20T07:28:20 < englishman> fully
2017-01-20T07:28:49 < englishman> that even has a nice hobbywing esc, thats $50 right there
2017-01-20T07:29:31 < englishman> http://www.banggood.com/ALZRC-Devil-465-RIGID-SDC-DFC-RC-Helicopter-Super-Combo-p-1083587.html?rmmds=search
2017-01-20T07:29:34 < englishman> even more better
2017-01-20T07:31:18 < upgrdman> looks kinda cheap
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2017-01-20T07:31:33 < ohsix> uno wat sux, soldering to flat flex cuz you don't have connector ... and you don't have magnet wire either
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2017-01-20T07:35:05 < stvn> rigid
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2017-01-20T07:46:38 < ohsix> upgrdman: i found some old shutter glasses, what dumb stuff could i get up to
2017-01-20T07:46:53 < ohsix> was thinking of 3d demo with those ebay oleds but there's bound to be something interestinger
2017-01-20T07:47:40 < ohsix> heheh wonder if i can pwm them for adjustable glasses or something stupid
2017-01-20T07:48:13 < upgrdman> ohsix, no idea
2017-01-20T07:49:02 < ohsix> hrm
2017-01-20T07:49:21 < ohsix> i dunno of anything where people have played with perception with shutter glasses
2017-01-20T07:49:32 < ohsix> you can use arbitrary rates and control exposure of something to each eye
2017-01-20T07:50:42 < dongs> lol curiousignore is for weechat waht the fuck is that trash
2017-01-20T07:51:13 < ohsix> invoices are cool
2017-01-20T07:51:26 < ohsix> send them and people give you money
2017-01-20T07:59:51 < ohsix> yar i'll just do a persistence of vision demo thing, sync it upwith an LED
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2017-01-20T08:00:17 < ohsix> only have shutters on when LED is off or something so it looks off through the glasses but on from the outside
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2017-01-20T08:03:16 < ohsix> i was cleaning up when i found these, found a bunch of other gr8 stuff, my nes controllers, and a ch products joystick for the apple, the cable is terminated in a 16 bit dip plug http://i.imgur.com/jcNxndj.jpg
2017-01-20T08:03:40 < ohsix> hadn't anticipating cleaning up but i found a bunch of shit i can use for hax or throw out
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2017-01-20T08:05:01 < ohsix> http://www.connectworld.net/cgi-bin/dataw/L1562 haaa
2017-01-20T08:06:46 < ohsix> zyp: you do contracting right? how do you bill, do you do 15 minute chunks or round up to the hour or wat
2017-01-20T08:07:05 < ohsix> i'm getting the impression that if i log my time at all in great detail i'm doing it wrong huhu
2017-01-20T08:08:18 < jpa-> at my current workplace we bill by 30 minutes, but once i go freelancer i'll probably automate it all and bill by the minute
2017-01-20T08:09:09 < jpa-> but that's mostly because i don't expect to work full days then; if your goal is to work 8 hours a day, it doesn't make much sense to track too accurately
2017-01-20T08:10:11 < stvn> nice jpa- 
2017-01-20T08:10:17 < dongs> who's working, surely not o6
2017-01-20T08:10:21 < stvn> lol
2017-01-20T08:10:28 < jpa-> dongs: he's just billing, not working
2017-01-20T08:10:33 < stvn> i bill by 1/2 
2017-01-20T08:10:36 < dongs> billing for irc time?
2017-01-20T08:10:39 < dongs> thats pretty pro
2017-01-20T08:10:54 < stvn> lel
2017-01-20T08:11:03 < jpa-> that's the proper way
2017-01-20T08:11:06 < stvn> spirit532 mate
2017-01-20T08:12:38 < ohsix> jpa-: hm k
2017-01-20T08:12:52 < ohsix> what i was wondering cuz i don't have much information, people seem to round up to an hour
2017-01-20T08:12:58 < ohsix> 'people'
2017-01-20T08:13:29 < jpa-> generally you'd just agree to that in the contract
2017-01-20T08:13:31 < ohsix> doesn't seem like the right thing to do if you aren't careful, and an hour seems like a lot when you only did something for 8 minutes of that hour or whatever
2017-01-20T08:13:36 < ohsix> right
2017-01-20T08:13:51 < ohsix> k yea that's a good point, i'll ask the office dude bundling invoices for the project
2017-01-20T08:14:20 < dongs> lmgtfy billing
2017-01-20T08:14:37 < ohsix> (((ethics)))
2017-01-20T08:21:02 < ohsix> all told, it's a small operation and small-ish contract, and it isn't really a problem that people are a little loose, i just wasn't going to do it
2017-01-20T08:21:56 < ohsix> it is cool to have a business person to do the accounting and paperwork
2017-01-20T08:22:38 < ohsix> now that ihave equipment and a place to work, that guy ends up being the most important dude huhuhu, he keeps the whole thing going
2017-01-20T08:28:21 < ohsix> ReadError:   Baskets.S02E01.HDTV.x264-FLEET  
2017-01-20T08:29:25 < stvn> yeh i billed out half a year's wages last financial year on IRC time
2017-01-20T08:29:55 < stvn> $30,000 just to talk shit in this channel
2017-01-20T08:30:07 < dongs> and paste gay links
2017-01-20T08:30:26 < stvn> i thank you all for your understanding and patience
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2017-01-20T08:38:21 < dongs> http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/no-charges-for-duo-who-shot-amateur-porn-at-railway-station/news-story/58e2e3e2bd1b312a843840d48905bb67 crt spotted
2017-01-20T08:40:38 < stvn> gooday sport
2017-01-20T08:41:46 < ohsix> you're a real chip baskets dongs
2017-01-20T08:45:01 < ohsix> https://www.linkedin.com/in/baskets haha
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2017-01-20T09:00:31 < stvn> why you reading aussie news anyway mr. dong
2017-01-20T09:02:47 < dongs> i dont have time to read that kinda shit, i just retweet
2017-01-20T09:03:51 < englishman> all you need to know about contracts https://youtu.be/6h3RJhoqgK8?t=53s
2017-01-20T09:04:04 < dongs> does o6 autism even about getting paid
2017-01-20T09:04:42 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
2017-01-20T09:04:48 < stvn> better read the log
2017-01-20T09:06:52 < englishman> who the fuck uses apple pages
2017-01-20T09:06:56 < stvn> cucks
2017-01-20T09:07:11 < dongs> fags
2017-01-20T09:08:50 < stvn> the worst
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2017-01-20T09:12:44 < ohsix> getting paid is new
2017-01-20T09:13:02 < ohsix> learning as needed
2017-01-20T09:13:26 < ohsix> link that seems like a joke is actually a thing worth watching, huhuh; will do
2017-01-20T09:14:26 < englishman> Step
2017-01-20T09:14:26 < englishman> Open a Pages document on your Mac computer.
2017-01-20T09:14:32 < englishman> ok so i should pretty much drop this client
2017-01-20T09:18:38 < stvn> yes
2017-01-20T09:19:21 < dongs> is there a pages viewer for windows
2017-01-20T09:19:36 < englishman> pretty sure if ATI exported their driver spec to .pages and sent it to aandrew, he would tell me, i would short $AMD, and make a million dollars this week
2017-01-20T09:19:38 < dongs> http://osxdaily.com/2014/07/16/open-pages-format-file-in-windows/
2017-01-20T09:19:58 < englishman> yeah no
2017-01-20T09:20:00 < englishman> tried that
2017-01-20T09:20:08 < englishman> it is a zip but nothing useful inside
2017-01-20T09:20:53 < englishman> and in doing so, already spent 3min longer than should be necessary to open a text file
2017-01-20T09:21:18 < dongs> what trash arrived with documentation as pages?
2017-01-20T09:21:18 < dongs> lol
2017-01-20T09:21:23 < dongs> should just shift-del it
2017-01-20T09:21:24 < dongs> done
2017-01-20T09:22:11 < englishman> did
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2017-01-20T09:26:27 < stvn> what else is new englishman 
2017-01-20T09:26:44 < englishman> $CY is still tanking
2017-01-20T09:26:56 < englishman> as expected thanks to my insider info
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2017-01-20T09:28:06 < englishman> thanks, im not about to rely on cypress for anything at all
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2017-01-20T09:29:49 < ReadError> luls through trolling
2017-01-20T09:31:07 < stvn> hmmm,
2017-01-20T09:32:17 < englishman> last time you were here, you were arguing with LeelooMinai 
2017-01-20T09:32:29 < englishman> so clearly you value your time less than i do
2017-01-20T09:34:24 < englishman> im good thanks, making money for someone else isnt that interesting
2017-01-20T09:34:37 < englishman> but thanks for the career advice
2017-01-20T09:34:54 < englishman> im sure it will come in handy someday
2017-01-20T09:35:01 < englishman> when im out looking for a job
2017-01-20T09:35:05 < englishman> ie: never
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2017-01-20T09:35:51 < englishman> irc is big money
2017-01-20T09:35:57 < ReadError> 10/c a line
2017-01-20T09:35:59 < ReadError> going rate
2017-01-20T09:36:28 < dongs> just ask o6
2017-01-20T09:36:35 < dongs> he made so much on irc he had to start billing for ity
2017-01-20T09:36:37 < dongs> it
2017-01-20T09:37:22 < englishman> hey, .pages sender got me a docx
2017-01-20T09:41:16 < englishman> i have been nothing but cordial
2017-01-20T09:42:17 < englishman> how is job at $CY now that it's been a month
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2017-01-20T09:42:36 < dongs> can you get me some NDA datasheets
2017-01-20T09:42:42 < dongs> for ex-spansion secure flash
2017-01-20T09:43:02 < dongs> S29GL032N90OFFIS30 for example.
2017-01-20T09:43:09 < dongs> last 'S' = secure, datasheet doesnt cover it
2017-01-20T09:43:21 < dongs> i suspect pinout is diffrent as well as some setup
2017-01-20T09:43:53 < dongs> lol
2017-01-20T09:44:01 < dongs> not for this stuff.
2017-01-20T09:44:12 < englishman> cypress PSOC team has their own subreddit and dedicated reddit team
2017-01-20T09:44:25 < englishman> maybe thats where R2COM is working?
2017-01-20T09:44:39 < englishman> who am i kidding
2017-01-20T09:44:42 -!- karlp [~karlp@palmtree.beeroclock.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
2017-01-20T09:44:44 < englishman> hes a PSOC twitter pro
2017-01-20T09:44:53 < dongs> there's probably a job title
2017-01-20T09:44:56 < dongs> twitter support <engineer>
2017-01-20T09:45:00 < englishman> ah yes
2017-01-20T09:45:02 -!- zyp [zyp@zyp.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
2017-01-20T09:45:05 < englishman> the USA engineer title
2017-01-20T09:45:19 < englishman> "custodial engineer"
2017-01-20T09:45:44 < dongs> thats me
2017-01-20T09:46:16 < ReadError> paidblogger/stuntcock
2017-01-20T09:46:20 < ReadError> my title
2017-01-20T09:46:29 < dongs> no, your title is just retard
2017-01-20T09:46:42 < ReadError> I can append that
2017-01-20T09:48:27 < dongs> R2COM: better stop getting butthurt at englishman trolling then
2017-01-20T09:48:55 < dongs> but yeah, leelooman should just admit he has a dick and we'll be pals again
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2017-01-20T09:51:20 < Kliment> Your fantasy version of general patton maybe
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2017-01-20T09:51:34 < Kliment> But you are probably thinkong of churchill
2017-01-20T09:51:42 < Kliment> Who famously did
2017-01-20T09:51:50 < stvn> yeah stm32 is pretty good hey
2017-01-20T09:52:02 < ReadError> stvn: status of paid paki codes
2017-01-20T09:52:11 < Kliment> He also famously would spend all day naked in a bathtub and receive all his official visitors in the bathtub
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2017-01-20T09:52:20 < stvn> ReadError, ask spirit532
2017-01-20T09:52:25 < Kliment> Including the message that the war was over
2017-01-20T09:52:40 < ReadError> dont see em
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2017-01-20T09:53:06 < ReadError> thought yall might have talked on ICQ
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2017-01-20T09:53:54 < stvn> i started with smoke signals
2017-01-20T09:53:54 < ReadError> decades?
2017-01-20T09:54:26 < stvn> yeah muscles
2017-01-20T09:54:27 < ReadError> i used AIM
2017-01-20T09:54:37 < ReadError> before ICQ
2017-01-20T09:54:40 < stvn> crack it 
2017-01-20T09:56:38 < stvn> what if they don't have a head
2017-01-20T09:57:11  * ReadError passes stvn the dreamtime
2017-01-20T09:57:21 < stvn> http://www.bedroomjoys.com/uploaded/thumbnails/spencer-reed-cyberskin-ass_15290_700x700.jpg
2017-01-20T09:57:40 < ReadError> NOT CLICKING
2017-01-20T09:57:58 < ReadError> seen enough in the eurl 
2017-01-20T09:59:00 < stvn> yeah it comes pre-loaded.
2017-01-20T09:59:50 < stvn> cum
2017-01-20T10:00:34 < stvn> you can fit it to your front door
2017-01-20T10:00:46 < stvn> gives the doorknocking salesmen something to do
2017-01-20T10:01:00 < dongs> R2COM: i bought the new dell xps15 4k
2017-01-20T10:01:06 < dongs> pro gaming wiht gtx1050
2017-01-20T10:01:23 < dongs> (gaming = dxp.exe)
2017-01-20T10:01:44 < dongs> thats old one.
2017-01-20T10:01:48 < dongs> 2017 model is 1050.
2017-01-20T10:02:10 < dongs> i played with old model in taiwan and it was great.
2017-01-20T10:02:15 < englishman> finally dumping jap crap and its shitty touchpad
2017-01-20T10:02:19 < dongs> ya
2017-01-20T10:02:21 < stvn> i got plugged into buying gtx1060
2017-01-20T10:02:38 < dongs> 1060? couldnt spare extra $50 on 1070?
2017-01-20T10:02:48 < stvn> dongs, it was what they had in stock
2017-01-20T10:02:53 < dongs> R2COM: thats the old one
2017-01-20T10:03:00 < dongs> i think its only direct from dell for now.
2017-01-20T10:03:11 < dongs> worstbuy will get later.
2017-01-20T10:04:15 < stvn> ah
2017-01-20T10:04:23 < stvn> the way of the future
2017-01-20T10:04:28 < stvn> delete the salesnigger
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2017-01-20T10:05:36 < dongs> i actually had toplace the fucking order over the phone
2017-01-20T10:05:40 < dongs> ordreed online twice, got cancelled both times
2017-01-20T10:05:43 < dongs> for "fraud'
2017-01-20T10:05:45 < dongs> (wut)
2017-01-20T10:05:49 < stvn> the cunts
2017-01-20T10:05:55 < dongs> so i had to call some indian and read the shit out
2017-01-20T10:07:05 < dongs> (which took like 40 minutes of getting forawrded between different fags)
2017-01-20T10:07:08 < dongs> and every one of them was indian
2017-01-20T10:13:12 < stvn> cool
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2017-01-20T10:17:07 < dongs> fucking altidumb
2017-01-20T10:17:16 < dongs> i just want normal fucking select shit in schematic, select same shit in pcb mode
2017-01-20T10:17:19 < dongs> but no
2017-01-20T10:17:21 < dongs> they had to fucking fuck wiht it
2017-01-20T10:17:46 < ReadError> the mtgox coins that went missing
2017-01-20T10:17:52 < ReadError> work $585mil today
2017-01-20T10:17:56 < ReadError> worth*
2017-01-20T10:17:58 < dongs> and?
2017-01-20T10:18:04 < dongs> they raent missing
2017-01-20T10:18:07 < ReadError> ya
2017-01-20T10:18:09 < ReadError> wild shit
2017-01-20T10:18:11 < dongs> that retareded anniemay faggot fat french fuck wasted them all
2017-01-20T10:18:16 < dongs> on maid cafes
2017-01-20T10:18:22 < ReadError> waifu
2017-01-20T10:21:29 < dongs> oh, it works
2017-01-20T10:21:32 < dongs> they just fucked it up
2017-01-20T10:21:36 < dongs> cuz if you select gnd/vcc ports
2017-01-20T10:21:38 < dongs> it highlights them ALL
2017-01-20T10:21:44 < dongs> you fjust cant move them with the rest of the stuff
2017-01-20T10:21:45 < dongs> weak
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2017-01-20T10:25:42 < stvn> altium
2017-01-20T10:31:51 < PaulFertser> R2COM: https://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and/
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2017-01-20T10:46:58 < stvn> audiophiles are fucking idiots
2017-01-20T10:47:55 < stvn> fucking bunch of mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit!
2017-01-20T10:53:26 < dongs> but muh rubudium clock reference!!!
2017-01-20T10:53:42 < dongs> i *NEED* 10mhz in my cd player.
2017-01-20T10:53:49 < dongs> or else I can hear jitter
2017-01-20T10:54:29 < stvn> yeah sure you can
2017-01-20T10:54:35 < stvn> {:
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2017-01-20T11:01:10 < stvn> yeah it'll come free with what i posted earlier R2COM 
2017-01-20T11:01:55 < stvn> ah okay, afaik its the only way to purchase apple product
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2017-01-20T11:09:00 < dongs> lol'd
2017-01-20T11:09:22 < dongs> crt pumps the chats quality in here
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2017-01-20T11:52:43 < zyp> ohsix, I don't like counting time, so I either make up some numbers or make it a fixed cost for a project
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2017-01-20T13:59:50 < psprint_> I run HAL_NVIC_EnableIRQ(EXTI15_10_IRQn); and the program suspends in it – debugger reveals that. Is it the default IRQ handler – infinite loop (startup*.s)? Why does it trigger instantly?
2017-01-20T14:00:28 < jpa-> how does debugger reveal it? what instruction is it running when you break into debugger?
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2017-01-20T14:01:55 < psprint_> jpa-: yes it's break, and the program sits in HAL_NVIC_EnableIRQ, here is screenshot: http://imgur.com/XxRsaTv
2017-01-20T14:02:41 < jpa-> switch to assembler level debugging view or look up what instruction 0x08000c54 really is
2017-01-20T14:04:10 < dongs> macos?
2017-01-20T14:04:11 < dongs> haha.
2017-01-20T14:04:52 < psprint_> windows counterrevolution ;)
2017-01-20T14:05:01 < dongs> dream onm
2017-01-20T14:05:08 < ReadError> jfc psprint_ 
2017-01-20T14:05:11 < PeterM> sorry  whats that, i couldnt hear you with all the cocks in your mouth
2017-01-20T14:05:45  * stvn lights a cigar
2017-01-20T14:05:47 < ReadError> did you not try resetting it?
2017-01-20T14:05:49 < ReadError> still
2017-01-20T14:06:01 < karlp> cast to int, no, scratch that, cast to uint.þ...
2017-01-20T14:06:11 < psprint_> ReadError: looking how to do it
2017-01-20T14:07:07 < psprint_> http://pastebin.com/eVDZ3h2N
2017-01-20T14:07:30 < jpa-> karlp: the intermediate cast might be significant
2017-01-20T14:08:56 < ReadError> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/212194/stm32f7-gets-stuck-in-external-interrupt-callback-function
2017-01-20T14:10:23 < karlp> how? uint/int casting only affects > < comparisons surely
2017-01-20T14:13:41 < psprint_> ReadError: added this after HAL_GPIO_Init(), and problem persists:   __HAL_GPIO_EXTI_CLEAR_IT(GPIO_PIN_13);
2017-01-20T14:14:00 < ReadError> did u read the shit?
2017-01-20T14:14:07 < jpa-> karlp: hmm.. well atleast if    int8_t x = -1;   then (uint32_t)x is different than (uint32_t)(uint8_t)x
2017-01-20T14:14:44 < karlp> yes, but it's the same size in both.
2017-01-20T14:14:55 < jpa-> yeah
2017-01-20T14:15:16 < karlp> sure, casting via int8 shit would do different things.
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2017-01-20T14:19:01 < jpa-> karlp: hmm yeah.. wonder why they did that
2017-01-20T14:19:47 < karlp> I'd imagine it's some debugger mayhem trying to expand typedefs dynamically or something
2017-01-20T14:19:49 < ReadError> pls2do psprint_ too
2017-01-20T14:19:55 < ReadError> since he talk to much and not read
2017-01-20T14:20:05 < karlp> it's not typed litterally like that surely.
2017-01-20T14:20:50 < psprint_> ReadError: you quickly judge. I've added HAL_InitTick( 0 ); and problem persists
2017-01-20T14:21:09 < ReadError> ok you didnt read the link then
2017-01-20T14:24:30 < psprint_> i just finished reading it, nothing new
2017-01-20T14:24:47 < ReadError> well that guys shit works, yours doesn't
2017-01-20T14:24:56  * ReadError scratches head
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2017-01-20T14:25:55 < jpa-> looks like casting down to signed type is undefined behaviour if it is outside the range.. maybe they specifically want to make it worse :P
2017-01-20T14:28:58 < Laurenceb> You dendroxenophobic shitlord!
2017-01-20T14:29:07 < Laurenceb> Refutrees Welcome!
2017-01-20T14:29:50 < ReadError> america will become great again today, 'oh boy'
2017-01-20T14:30:36 < Laurenceb> you can fap to /r/RepressedGoneWild
2017-01-20T14:30:46 < ReadError> im going to get off work
2017-01-20T14:30:55 < ReadError> and start drinking, or something
2017-01-20T14:34:25 < ReadError> and stm32'ing
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2017-01-20T14:55:31 < Steffanx> Fleck what kind of dev platform do you use for your ltdc adventures?
2017-01-20T14:55:57 < Fleck> F746-Discovery
2017-01-20T15:00:00 < Steffanx> Oh nevermind then. 
2017-01-20T15:00:09 < Fleck> would love to have F769-Disocvery :(
2017-01-20T15:02:42 < zyp> the MIPI DSI stuff?
2017-01-20T15:05:00 < Fleck> yeah
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2017-01-20T15:26:31 < psprint_> hmm my project has the startup*.s file only under Drivers/*/Templates/*, which is weird: ./Drivers/CMSIS/Device/ST/STM32F7xx/Source/Templates/gcc/startup_stm32f767xx.s
2017-01-20T15:30:33 < psprint_> hmm but that's rather correct, I can pause debugger within this file
2017-01-20T15:30:55 < dongs> yeah, theres no reason to fuck with it, so its readonly from cmsis
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2017-01-20T16:33:47 < ReadError> flyback: psprint_ needs a CC beating
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2017-01-20T16:42:07 < Thorn> Trump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRGo2QVi6jM
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2017-01-20T16:46:07 < kakimir> I don't have sounds but I bet TYT is cursing the event
2017-01-20T16:46:44 < dongs> hat the shit is the young turks
2017-01-20T16:50:35 < kakimir> why so emotional flyback ?
2017-01-20T16:56:16 < kakimir> left wing mental patients?
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2017-01-20T17:33:39 < dongs> http://www.forbes.com/sites/kathleenchaykowski/2017/01/10/facebook-challenges-2-billion-lawsuit-alleging-oculus-stole-key-technology/ haha news2me
2017-01-20T17:40:13 < Laurenceb> what key technology
2017-01-20T17:40:20 < Laurenceb> they got pwnd by HTC Vive
2017-01-20T17:43:18 < dongs> Oculus has been central to virtual reality efforts at Facebook, which has become a leader in the space, competing with the likes of Alphabet’s Google GOOGL +0.33%, Microsoft MSFT +0.73% and Sony . 
2017-01-20T17:43:22 < dongs> wat
2017-01-20T17:46:01 < Laurenceb> T minus 1:15
2017-01-20T17:46:16 < dongs> link
2017-01-20T17:46:20 < Laurenceb> I think Carmack just doesnt get it
2017-01-20T17:46:48 < Steffanx> Link?
2017-01-20T17:46:56 < Laurenceb> http://tinyurl.com/zof6qff
2017-01-20T17:47:33 < dongs> fag.
2017-01-20T17:47:56 < Laurenceb> link for everyone other than Steffanx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prd2RfhF1tM
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2017-01-20T17:48:14 < psprint_> when I use debugger in System Workbench, invoke Step Over, the execution often jumps, e.g. to beginning of function, from its say third or fourth instruction, then can continue there or jump back, and so on
2017-01-20T17:48:22 < Laurenceb> wtf commentry, sounds like a sports program
2017-01-20T17:48:28 < Laurenceb> stupid muricans
2017-01-20T17:48:37 < dongs> oh that shit
2017-01-20T17:48:46 < dongs> i thought you were talkin about atlas launch
2017-01-20T17:48:55 < Laurenceb> lul who cares about Atlas
2017-01-20T17:49:22 < dongs> when does it start
2017-01-20T17:49:25 < dongs> should I got osleep?
2017-01-20T17:49:32 < dongs> lol @ dislkes
2017-01-20T17:50:05 < psprint_> Did HAL_Init(); and stuff really do their job, if pressing user button invokes assembly default handler from startup*.s, not my overloaded HAL_GPIO_EXTI_Callback()
2017-01-20T17:51:20 < Laurenceb> http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/John-Carmack-Oculus-Rift.jpg
2017-01-20T17:51:24 < Laurenceb> what an autist
2017-01-20T17:51:25 < dongs> private 757
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2017-01-20T17:52:32 < Steffanx> Thanks laurenceb.
2017-01-20T17:52:47 < Steffanx> I love you too.
2017-01-20T17:58:50 < jadew> Laurenceb, thinks he's in any of those cars?
2017-01-20T17:59:10 < dongs> hes in the front car
2017-01-20T17:59:46 < jadew> oh, the tankcar
2017-01-20T18:00:05 < jadew> I thought they're all decoys
2017-01-20T18:01:05 < Laurenceb> damn that car
2017-01-20T18:01:14 < Laurenceb> glass looks like 1m thick
2017-01-20T18:01:31 < jadew> must be crammed in there
2017-01-20T18:01:35 < Laurenceb> lul Bush had pube transplants
2017-01-20T18:03:31 < jadew> someone's whispering
2017-01-20T18:03:35 < jadew> what are they saying?
2017-01-20T18:03:49 < Laurenceb> messages from 4chan
2017-01-20T18:03:53 < Laurenceb> probably
2017-01-20T18:04:12 < Laurenceb> lul he wasnt in the car
2017-01-20T18:04:22 < Laurenceb> prob in one of the tunnels
2017-01-20T18:04:46 < jadew> heh
2017-01-20T18:04:52 < dongs> is he livetweeting
2017-01-20T18:05:16 < jadew> I doubt he even knows his twitter password
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2017-01-20T18:06:22 < jadew> if I had that much power, I'd have someone else in here, pretending it was me
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2017-01-20T18:06:55 < jadew> you delegate everything at that point
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2017-01-20T18:08:17 < Laurenceb> I dont know who all there people are
2017-01-20T18:08:24 < Laurenceb> look like goofy office workers
2017-01-20T18:08:51 < jadew> "These people come with the house. They're all yours."
2017-01-20T18:09:19 < Laurenceb> woman with the purple top looks goofy
2017-01-20T18:09:31 < Laurenceb> looks like she came from a swinger site
2017-01-20T18:09:46 < jadew> the one with the glasses?
2017-01-20T18:09:52 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-01-20T18:10:36 < jadew> there was a hottie in the crowd
2017-01-20T18:13:00 < Laurenceb> Presenter sounds British
2017-01-20T18:13:05 < Laurenceb> or poss Scottish
2017-01-20T18:13:39 < jadew> I wonder what would happen if you put a drone in the air
2017-01-20T18:14:10 < jadew> they must be jamming everything but the TV broadcast frequencies
2017-01-20T18:14:42 < jadew> there are no drones in the air, I doubt people didn't think about it
2017-01-20T18:15:05 < Laurenceb> poss GPS jammers
2017-01-20T18:15:15 < Laurenceb> but I havent heard of them being used in us
2017-01-20T18:15:28 < Laurenceb> supposedly Putin has a personal GPS jammer
2017-01-20T18:15:38 < jadew> heh
2017-01-20T18:17:26 < psprint_> Guys listen to this. Example GPIO_EXTI has void HAL_GPIO_EXTI_Callback defined, blinks LED there. However "ack void HAL_GPIO_EXTI_Callback" in project's root dir (with Drivers beneath) has no reference. What has reference is this: .thumb_set EXTI15_10_IRQHandler,Default_Handler. So it's just the *Handler function that's called, defaults to infinite loop
2017-01-20T18:18:14 < psprint_> I'm able to blink led when doing pause and Step Over, apparently in continuous mode I'm blinking it over and over, so this flag reset apparently doesn't work: __HAL_GPIO_EXTI_CLEAR_IT(GPIO_PIN_13);
2017-01-20T18:18:15 < Thorn> callback != handler
2017-01-20T18:18:33 < Thorn> afaik HAL supplies handlers that call your callbacks
2017-01-20T18:18:34 < psprint_> Thorn: understand this: no HAL_GPIO_EXTI_Callback reference in whole libraries code
2017-01-20T18:18:40 < psprint_> Thorn: yeah thought so
2017-01-20T18:18:51 < Thorn> there're weak default callbacks
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2017-01-20T18:19:25 < psprint_> that's the theory, in reality it's wiped out from libraries 1.5.2, I can limit-agree with you that it might be that way earlier
2017-01-20T18:20:08 < psprint_> fuck
2017-01-20T18:20:11 < psprint_> Drivers/STM32F7xx_HAL_Driver/Src/stm32f7xx_hal_gpio.c
2017-01-20T18:20:13 < psprint_> 506:    HAL_GPIO_EXTI_Callback(GPIO_Pin);
2017-01-20T18:20:15 < psprint_> it is there
2017-01-20T18:21:35 < psprint_> but overall the example code is simply not correct, doesn't initialize the GPIO callback stuff, Default_Handler is called, no callback routing
2017-01-20T18:28:44 < dongs> jesus fuck they still havent made him president
2017-01-20T18:28:49 < dongs> how long is this gonna take
2017-01-20T18:28:52 < dongs> i need to finish fapping and sleep
2017-01-20T18:30:00 < jadew> haha
2017-01-20T18:30:56 < dongs> trump children look autistic
2017-01-20T18:31:17 < dongs> jadew is probly thinking how much cock they've sucked
2017-01-20T18:31:44 < jadew> I was thinking that the milf in purple is hot
2017-01-20T18:32:10 < dongs> black one?
2017-01-20T18:32:25 < jadew> don't know
2017-01-20T18:32:27 < dongs> how HARD of a moment
2017-01-20T18:32:32 < dongs> i mean is she black
2017-01-20T18:32:38 < jadew> I don't know...
2017-01-20T18:32:45 < jadew> I didn't pay attention
2017-01-20T18:32:52 < dongs> how the fuck can you not know if shes black or not if you said shes a hotty
2017-01-20T18:33:14 < jadew> I can't tell from memory if she's tanned or if she's black
2017-01-20T18:33:14 < Laurenceb> no not the back one
2017-01-20T18:33:26 < jadew> or white...
2017-01-20T18:33:27 < Laurenceb> nasty
2017-01-20T18:33:32 < jadew> no, not black
2017-01-20T18:33:35 < jadew> there she is
2017-01-20T18:33:41 < Laurenceb> I didnt mean her
2017-01-20T18:33:41 < dongs> ugly
2017-01-20T18:33:44 < Laurenceb> she is ugly
2017-01-20T18:33:52 < Laurenceb> but not as ugly as the one I pointed out
2017-01-20T18:33:56 < jadew> haha
2017-01-20T18:34:14 < Laurenceb> who looked like she was from tindr
2017-01-20T18:35:09 < jadew> did trump not come out?
2017-01-20T18:35:13 < jadew> oh, there he is
2017-01-20T18:35:17 < jadew> he looks upset
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2017-01-20T18:37:13 < dongs> Laurenceb: hes definitely tweeting
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2017-01-20T18:38:08 < jadew> wtf is going on?
2017-01-20T18:38:11 < jadew> lol
2017-01-20T18:38:12 < dongs> jadew: is that the purple cunt>
2017-01-20T18:38:18 < Laurenceb> lul 
2017-01-20T18:38:24 < jadew> dongs, no
2017-01-20T18:38:25 < dongs> fucking bible fags
2017-01-20T18:38:28 < jadew> haha
2017-01-20T18:38:44 < dongs> lol agent smith on the right side
2017-01-20T18:38:49 < dongs> teh matrix has u
2017-01-20T18:38:53 < Laurenceb> separation of church and state?
2017-01-20T18:38:58 < jadew> no more
2017-01-20T18:39:06 < wander___> i given up electronics, i now study stock market . :D
2017-01-20T18:39:19 < dongs> install desktop lunix
2017-01-20T18:39:23 < jadew> wander___, so... wrong channel I guess? :)
2017-01-20T18:39:32 < dongs> try #stonertronics
2017-01-20T18:39:50 < dongs> now what
2017-01-20T18:39:58 < dongs> oh fuck another bible turd
2017-01-20T18:40:02 < wander___> only me
2017-01-20T18:40:11 < jadew> a few more prayers and then they move on
2017-01-20T18:40:22 < zyp> dongs, I thought the year for linux on the desktop would be next year
2017-01-20T18:40:35 < jadew> it was 5 years ago
2017-01-20T18:40:45 < jadew> and the year before
2017-01-20T18:40:48 < jadew> and the year before
2017-01-20T18:41:08 < zyp> «nobody puts a lamp under a basket»
2017-01-20T18:41:14 < zyp> isn't that exactly what a shabbat lamp is?
2017-01-20T18:41:37 < jadew> I didn't listen, was that from the bible stuff?
2017-01-20T18:42:11 < zyp> I'm watching a norwegian stream, but I guess they're all sending the same shit
2017-01-20T18:43:46 < dongs> what
2017-01-20T18:43:47 < dongs> coral
2017-01-20T18:43:50 < Laurenceb> god blesses thosewho are humble
2017-01-20T18:43:51 < dongs> oh
2017-01-20T18:43:52 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-01-20T18:43:52 < dongs> choral
2017-01-20T18:43:53 < dongs> fucking
2017-01-20T18:44:26 < jadew> is this standard?
2017-01-20T18:44:34 < jadew> the prayers + the music?
2017-01-20T18:44:37 < dongs> no idea i never watched / gave a fuck
2017-01-20T18:44:39 < dongs> probably
2017-01-20T18:44:50 < dongs> How many people in the US are religious?
2017-01-20T18:44:51 < dongs> Eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Most of the rest, 13 percent, have no religion. That leaves just 4 percent as adherents of all non-Christian religions combined — Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and a smattering of individual mentions.
2017-01-20T18:45:20 < jadew> well, then it's ok
2017-01-20T18:45:27 < zyp> what qualifies as «identify»?
2017-01-20T18:45:43 < jadew> they were born and indoctrinated in the christian religiou
2017-01-20T18:45:43 < dongs> "i've said 'jesus christ' once
2017-01-20T18:45:48 < jadew> religion
2017-01-20T18:45:52 < jadew> like most of us
2017-01-20T18:45:59 < Laurenceb> I identify as an attack helicopter
2017-01-20T18:46:04 < jadew> haha
2017-01-20T18:46:23 < dongs> isnt that some 4chan meme
2017-01-20T18:46:26 < dongs> lol @ that kid sleeping
2017-01-20T18:46:44 < jadew> I like the music, I could sleep too
2017-01-20T18:47:50 < dongs> is it over yet
2017-01-20T18:48:32 < jadew> don't know, I thought it would take 15 minutes or so
2017-01-20T18:48:32 < Laurenceb> not till the fat lady sings
2017-01-20T18:48:37 < Laurenceb> I expect that later
2017-01-20T18:48:58 < Laurenceb> lul @ "Chuck Schumer"
2017-01-20T18:49:02 < Laurenceb> what a name
2017-01-20T18:49:38 < dongs> haha
2017-01-20T18:49:40 < dongs> gender identity
2017-01-20T18:49:48 < Laurenceb> memetic
2017-01-20T18:50:39 < dongs> the things that make america great
2017-01-20T18:50:48 < Laurenceb> trolling
2017-01-20T18:50:59 < Laurenceb> the presence of weev
2017-01-20T18:51:19 < Laurenceb> flyback
2017-01-20T18:53:32 < dongs> finally
2017-01-20T18:53:39 < dongs> something happening
2017-01-20T18:55:21 < dongs> is being religious a requirement to become a president.
2017-01-20T18:55:26 < dongs> the "oath" involves god
2017-01-20T18:55:31 < dongs> what if one doesn't believe.
2017-01-20T18:55:42 < dongs> less than 10 minutes
2017-01-20T18:55:44 < dongs> man wat
2017-01-20T18:56:58 < Laurenceb> are we in Scotland
2017-01-20T18:58:07 < dongs> 2 mins
2017-01-20T18:59:11 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgur.com/7YINofW.png
2017-01-20T18:59:16 < Laurenceb> meanwhile in Scotland
2017-01-20T19:00:55 < Laurenceb> lul troll face
2017-01-20T19:01:09 < BrainDamage> their religious bullshit isn't even rooted historically, it's literally a cheap strategy from the 50s to conteract the communist scare
2017-01-20T19:01:11 < Laurenceb> its like he can't even take it seriously
2017-01-20T19:01:54 < dongs> i thought that was a gunshot
2017-01-20T19:01:57 < dongs> taking out trump
2017-01-20T19:03:43 < dongs> > many many years
2017-01-20T19:04:16 < dongs> is it snowing or something
2017-01-20T19:04:32 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38696645
2017-01-20T19:04:35 < Laurenceb> lul its starting
2017-01-20T19:05:34 < Laurenceb> now serious news  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f12_1484925932
2017-01-20T19:07:52 < dongs> ok boring
2017-01-20T19:07:53 < dongs> sleep time
2017-01-20T19:09:40 < jadew> night
2017-01-20T19:12:18 < psprint_> Heh, read HAL docs, nothing mentioned that could make EXTI interrupts go through HAL_GPIO_EXTI_IRQHandler() instead of EXTI15_10_IRQHandler()
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2017-01-20T19:17:21 < ReadError> haha fuck off already ps
2017-01-20T19:17:23 < ReadError> psprint_: 
2017-01-20T19:17:24 < psprint_> Resolved: "When selecting EXTI mode with interrupt generation, the user must call HAL_GPIO_EXTI_IRQHandler() from stm32f0xx_it.c and implement HAL_GPIO_EXTI_Callback()"
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2017-01-20T19:53:54 < jadew> anyone using time tracking applications?
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2017-01-20T20:45:16 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgtc.com/KvSLmc4.jpg
2017-01-20T20:52:05 < BrainDamage> jadew: I use a program which can do time tracking, but I only use it for its todo functionality
2017-01-20T20:52:29 < BrainDamage> taskwarrior/task
2017-01-20T20:52:58 < BrainDamage> frankly I find the idea of time tracking a bit too much wankery if done on a personal level
2017-01-20T20:53:18 < BrainDamage> you risk spending more time trying to optimize than actually reapin the benefits
2017-01-20T20:54:35  * Laurenceb just epically failed
2017-01-20T20:54:59 < Laurenceb> made a new version of my pwm based spectroscopy device with better LEDs
2017-01-20T20:55:27 < Laurenceb> now the normal pwm value is about 2 and the AGC is out of control
2017-01-20T20:55:34 < Laurenceb> LEDs are too good
2017-01-20T20:56:18 < Laurenceb> somehow I managed to increase performance by about an order of magnitude 
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2017-01-20T21:45:48 < Steffanx> My dear mr Fleck do you happen to be around?
2017-01-20T21:46:36 < Fleck> yes
2017-01-20T21:47:03 < Steffanx> Did you ever do ltdc with the f429 discovery ( and not with the lcd that comes with it) ?
2017-01-20T21:47:21 < Fleck> nope
2017-01-20T21:47:29 < Steffanx> ok, too bad then. :)
2017-01-20T21:47:52 < Fleck> sorry
2017-01-20T21:48:35 < Steffanx> For some reason cube says the F429ZITx cannot do RGB888, but I don't see why it shouldnt be able to do it.
2017-01-20T21:48:41 < Steffanx> Maybe its just cube failing.
2017-01-20T21:49:35 < Fleck> how does cube "says" it? :D
2017-01-20T21:49:50 < Steffanx> It only has the option 565 or 666 ;)
2017-01-20T21:50:16 < Fleck> really? That seems odd
2017-01-20T21:51:40 < Steffanx> Yes indeed
2017-01-20T21:51:59 < Fleck> forgot to DEFINE something?
2017-01-20T21:52:27 < Steffanx> I mean the cube pin selector thingy.
2017-01-20T21:52:31 < Steffanx> *meant
2017-01-20T21:53:31 < Fleck> CubeMX ?
2017-01-20T21:53:33 < Steffanx> So there is not much to define.
2017-01-20T21:53:35 < Steffanx> Yeah.
2017-01-20T21:53:47 < Fleck> used that app like 3 times maybe :p
2017-01-20T21:54:21 < Steffanx> It's nice for stuff like this, until it seems to fail
2017-01-20T21:58:05 < Steffanx> lol ST. WTF are you doing. Just pressed the download button, which is supposed to give me 4.19, of cubemx three times. Resulted in version 4.15, 4.16 and 4.18.. the same fucking button -__
2017-01-20T21:58:07 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-01-20T21:58:42 < upgrdman> keep trying. maybe you'll get a pre-release version too
2017-01-20T21:58:49 < Fleck> hehe
2017-01-20T22:00:21 < Steffanx> No i'll tell them to fuck off very nicely next time this "feedback" window pops up mr upgrdman.
2017-01-20T22:00:36 < upgrdman> im sure they'll take that to heart
2017-01-20T22:01:31 < Laurenceb> talking of heart
2017-01-20T22:01:32 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgsafe.org/26c3164b0d.png
2017-01-20T22:01:35 < Laurenceb> I'm alive
2017-01-20T22:02:36 < Steffanx> ok.
2017-01-20T22:03:03 < aandrew> oh god
2017-01-20T22:03:05 < aandrew> good
2017-01-20T22:03:06 < aandrew> I was worried
2017-01-20T22:03:33 < BrainDamage> I'm more impressed the graph doesn't spell racist slogans
2017-01-20T22:04:22 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-01-20T22:04:29 < aandrew> that'd be something dongs would do
2017-01-20T22:04:37 < aandrew> big swastika or "ghey" or something
2017-01-20T22:04:58 < jadew> BrainDamage, thanks, I found something called Hamster
2017-01-20T22:05:08 < Laurenceb> dongs already did it
2017-01-20T22:05:18 < Fleck> :D
2017-01-20T22:05:20 < Laurenceb> with jews did 9/11 OSD
2017-01-20T22:05:46 < upgrdman> anyone used WinFSP? any idea if it can mount SSH shares that use keys instead of username/password?
2017-01-20T22:06:00 < Laurenceb> 18 bits of resolution :D
2017-01-20T22:06:11 < englishman> and only 15 bits of noise
2017-01-20T22:06:53 < Laurenceb> heh, 18 noise free bits
2017-01-20T22:06:57 < Laurenceb> at 64sps
2017-01-20T22:07:56 < Laurenceb> I should be able to increase that by turning down the gain, mean LED current is <1mA/channel
2017-01-20T22:08:34 < Laurenceb> but its not too far from running into quantisation issues with 32 bit floats
2017-01-20T22:08:37 < jadew> upgrdman, you mean winscp?
2017-01-20T22:09:03 < upgrdman> jadew, no.  http://www.secfs.net/winfsp/
2017-01-20T22:09:55 < jadew> nice
2017-01-20T22:10:45 < Laurenceb> windows shares are nice
2017-01-20T22:11:16 < Laurenceb> for medical shit I just use a shared folder thats hosted by lunix server, then scripts run on server
2017-01-20T22:11:41 < Laurenceb> no need to maintain anything and the IT guys at each site where the kit is running know how to set it all up
2017-01-20T22:11:55 < upgrdman> also, anyone know how to tell windows file explored to use the same view settings for EVERYTHING (e.g. list mode, show hidden files, etc.)
2017-01-20T22:12:26 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, win doesnt have built in ssh support tho?
2017-01-20T22:12:40 < englishman> sshfs, cool
2017-01-20T22:13:04 < englishman> nice link upgrdman 
2017-01-20T22:13:09 < upgrdman> thx
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2017-01-20T22:55:23 < Steffanx> So does it do keys upgrdman?
2017-01-20T22:55:36 < upgrdman> dunno. havent tried it yet.
2017-01-20T22:55:58 < upgrdman> plan to try it tomorrow-ish
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2017-01-21T00:47:31 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mEqQDL1cYQ R2COM is mroe like this LeelooMinai
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2017-01-21T01:50:22 < Kitlith> Hey, quick question, What is the behavior of a completely disabled SWD port?
2017-01-21T01:51:33 < englishman> you mean, when you turn it into a different alternate mode?
2017-01-21T01:51:59 < englishman> nice proj flyback 
2017-01-21T01:55:47 < Kitlith> No, when readout protection is permenantly enabled.
2017-01-21T01:56:03 < Laurenceb_> flyback finished a project?!
2017-01-21T01:57:26 < Kitlith> I have a device with a stm32f042f4, which at this point I'm guessing that SWD is disabled on it, but I wanted to check behavior.
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2017-01-21T02:02:20 < ohsix> ur base
2017-01-21T02:02:25 < ohsix> en fleek
2017-01-21T02:02:26 < ohsix> etc
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2017-01-21T02:04:19 < Thorn> Atlas V launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E5rP0IU78I
2017-01-21T02:11:51 < Laurenceb_> murican heating is weird
2017-01-21T02:12:03 < Laurenceb_>  "furnace" and central air
2017-01-21T02:12:16 < Laurenceb_> in UK we are all installing condenser boilers
2017-01-21T02:12:32 < Laurenceb_> mine has broken :(
2017-01-21T02:12:50 < Laurenceb_> just turns on full power and tries to heat house to 50C
2017-01-21T02:12:59 < Laurenceb_> clearly I need "nest"
2017-01-21T02:13:01 < Laurenceb_> ^troll
2017-01-21T02:13:43 < zyp> what's wrong with central air?
2017-01-21T02:14:35 < zyp> traditionally I don't think that has been a thing here in norway either
2017-01-21T02:15:37 < zyp> but now that all new homes are built with ventilation systems that usually have a heat exchanger and a heating element, that's becoming common
2017-01-21T02:16:31 < zyp> and they're also insulated well enough that they don't tend to need more heat than the ventilation system can provide
2017-01-21T02:17:15 < zyp> last place I rented was like that
2017-01-21T02:17:20 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2017-01-21T02:17:44 < Laurenceb_> in uk _everywhere_ uses central heating aka central heating
2017-01-21T02:17:50 < zyp> when I talked to the owner they were like «there's also a stack of panel heaters in the shed that we never put up because there were no need»
2017-01-21T02:17:57 < zyp> oh, wait
2017-01-21T02:17:58 < Laurenceb_> *aka central water
2017-01-21T02:18:04 < zyp> that apartment also had AC/heat pump
2017-01-21T02:18:08 < zyp> so that provided heat as well
2017-01-21T02:18:15 < Laurenceb_> flyback: ironically the controller is murican
2017-01-21T02:18:20 < Laurenceb_> honeywell
2017-01-21T02:18:48 < zyp> Laurenceb_, central water used to be common here, but I think it's less so today
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2017-01-21T02:19:24 < zyp> except huge houses with ground/water heat pump systems
2017-01-21T02:19:37 < Laurenceb_> I've never seen anything but water based in uk
2017-01-21T02:19:41 < zyp> my aunt built a house some years ago that has that
2017-01-21T02:20:06 < zyp> LeelooMinai, nah, it's common here
2017-01-21T02:20:09 < Laurenceb_> even air source heat pump transfers to water
2017-01-21T02:20:24 < zyp> Laurenceb_, we have some of those here too
2017-01-21T02:20:40 < zyp> I remember wiring a couple of those when I worked as an electrician
2017-01-21T02:20:57 < Laurenceb_> ever come across a broken honeywell thermostat system?
2017-01-21T02:21:05 < Laurenceb_> I have 0 clue how it works lol
2017-01-21T02:21:16 < zyp> mechanical or what?
2017-01-21T02:21:21 < Laurenceb_> theres power (mains AC) + signal line to it?
2017-01-21T02:21:28 < Laurenceb_> I think its mechanical
2017-01-21T02:21:34 < Laurenceb_> just a rotary dial
2017-01-21T02:21:37 < zyp> I'm not really familiar with that kind of stuff
2017-01-21T02:21:46 < sync_> yes Laurenceb_
2017-01-21T02:21:54 < Laurenceb_> I'm wondering if it contains any electronics or its just a switch
2017-01-21T02:22:19 < zyp> in norway we mostly have electric heating controlled by standalone thermostats which is just AC in and AC out with a relay inside
2017-01-21T02:22:36 < zyp> so I'm not familiar with any signalling standards for that
2017-01-21T02:22:47 < Laurenceb_> my unit seems to have stopped clicking
2017-01-21T02:22:55 < Laurenceb_> and boiler is jammed on full power
2017-01-21T02:22:59 < Laurenceb_> mechanical failure?
2017-01-21T02:23:10 < zyp> probably
2017-01-21T02:23:59 < zyp> bimetal magic
2017-01-21T02:24:09 < Laurenceb_> any idea if its safe to remove the front from the back thats fixed to the wall?
2017-01-21T02:24:20 < Laurenceb_> or should I kill the mains circuit first?
2017-01-21T02:24:31 < sync_> depends on how yolo you wanna do it
2017-01-21T02:24:34 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-01-21T02:24:58 < Laurenceb_> I suspect there might be a plug built in to allow the front panel to just plug into the backing plate
2017-01-21T02:25:02 < Laurenceb_> will try
2017-01-21T02:25:11 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: nah its def 240v
2017-01-21T02:25:20 < zyp> I wouldn't bother killing mains unless I had to touch anything that's actually live
2017-01-21T02:25:32 < Laurenceb_> zyp: ok I'll be careful lol
2017-01-21T02:25:34 < zyp> just be careful about what you touch, it's no big deal
2017-01-21T02:25:38 < Laurenceb_> it has RCD on everything
2017-01-21T02:25:54 < zyp> worst case it stings a bit in your fingers :p
2017-01-21T02:26:03 < Laurenceb_> odd that it failed, <4 years old
2017-01-21T02:27:02 < Laurenceb_> maybe dust from my nasty room
2017-01-21T02:27:20 < Laurenceb_> omegle whores were right all along
2017-01-21T02:27:42 < zyp> so, uh, is it common that people never have been shocked by touching live parts, since you're so afraid of it?
2017-01-21T02:27:57 < zyp> never stuck a finger into an empty lamp socket or anything as a dumb kid?
2017-01-21T02:28:03 < Laurenceb_> well it can stop your heart and kill you
2017-01-21T02:28:05 < Laurenceb_> so no
2017-01-21T02:28:15 < sync_> pfft
2017-01-21T02:28:19 < Laurenceb_> 240v with high current is nasty
2017-01-21T02:28:23 < zyp> nah, not if it just passes through your hand
2017-01-21T02:28:23 < Fleck> I have touched live parts sooo many times ;P
2017-01-21T02:28:30 < zyp> same
2017-01-21T02:28:36 < sync_> I mean, you will be awake after it
2017-01-21T02:28:38 < Laurenceb_> lul I must be pro
2017-01-21T02:28:45 < sync_> but if you only touch it with your hand eh
2017-01-21T02:29:12 < Laurenceb_> if you get it across your heart and there is no RCD I wouldnt want to chance it
2017-01-21T02:29:39 < zyp> eh, RCD doesn't help if you grab a live wire in each hand
2017-01-21T02:29:42 < sync_> yes
2017-01-21T02:29:53 < sync_> I mean, AC is not too bad tho
2017-01-21T02:29:57 < Laurenceb_> RCD triggers more easily than a trip switch
2017-01-21T02:30:07 < sync_> DC will give you blood poisoning
2017-01-21T02:30:24 < zyp> Laurenceb_, yeah, 30mA vs 16A or so
2017-01-21T02:30:35 < Laurenceb_> 16A will kill you
2017-01-21T02:30:42 < Laurenceb_> obviously there is RCD triggering time
2017-01-21T02:30:46 < zyp> but RCDs trigger by current imbalance, not actual current
2017-01-21T02:30:49 < Laurenceb_> but I'd trust it a lot more
2017-01-21T02:30:57 < zyp> also, 30mA through your heart is also enough to kill you IIRC
2017-01-21T02:31:08 < Laurenceb_> lul make your mind up
2017-01-21T02:31:16 < zyp> what? :)
2017-01-21T02:31:19 < Laurenceb_> in that case you are lucky to be alive
2017-01-21T02:31:33 < BrainDamage> 30mA is a treshold with preexisting pathologies
2017-01-21T02:32:08 < zyp> Laurenceb_, you know how current only flows in a circuit and takes the path of least resistance?
2017-01-21T02:32:54 < zyp> applying a current between two points on the body doesn't necessarily imply it'll flow through the heart
2017-01-21T02:33:04 < zyp> especially so when both points are on the same hand
2017-01-21T02:33:14 < BrainDamage> I've done that when I was a kid
2017-01-21T02:33:51 < sync_> I always hate the metallic taste you get when you get a bad zap
2017-01-21T02:33:51 < BrainDamage> there was a plug which didn't have plastic cover on the prongs, and it was half unplugged
2017-01-21T02:33:58 < sync_> doesn't happen too often tho
2017-01-21T02:34:02 < BrainDamage> and I distractely grabbed it from the metal parts
2017-01-21T02:34:32 < BrainDamage> I was like 6
2017-01-21T02:34:41 < zyp> I remember my sister stuck a finger into an empty lamp socket once, she was wondering why the light wouldn't turn on
2017-01-21T02:34:54 < zyp> «there's something invisible in there, and it hurt my finger»
2017-01-21T02:35:59 < BrainDamage> I remember the shaking sensation slowly crawling up my arm, my fingers were locked, I had to throw myself on the back to disconnect
2017-01-21T02:36:20 < zyp> does AC lock your fingers?
2017-01-21T02:36:25 < zyp> I thought that was a DC thing
2017-01-21T02:36:46 < zyp> AC just rattles them a bit
2017-01-21T02:36:55 < BrainDamage> I'm not sure if it was a physical effect or just me panicking
2017-01-21T02:37:08 < Thorn> 6 min to launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E5rP0IU78I
2017-01-21T02:37:48 < zyp> I've never had muscles locking up, at least
2017-01-21T02:38:50 < Steffanx> looks pretty live to me LeelooMinai
2017-01-21T02:38:56 < zyp> Thorn, let's hope no airplanes violates the airspace restrictions today then
2017-01-21T02:39:22 < zyp> Steffanx, you're not following the conversation
2017-01-21T02:39:58 < Steffanx> oh, i was.. but i thought she replied to Thorn :P
2017-01-21T02:40:51 < Steffanx> Was also following youtube 
2017-01-21T02:41:41 < Laurenceb_> 50 seconds
2017-01-21T02:41:48 < Laurenceb_> nice H2 flame
2017-01-21T02:41:49 < BrainDamage> fibrillation, not defibrillation
2017-01-21T02:41:50 < zyp> what's the burning?
2017-01-21T02:41:57 < zyp> venting H2?
2017-01-21T02:42:16 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-01-21T02:43:50 < zyp> hmm, would it be harmful to just release it without burning, or is that just because the fire risk?
2017-01-21T02:44:20 < BrainDamage> no harm, just fire risk
2017-01-21T02:44:33 < zyp> makes sense
2017-01-21T02:47:13 < BrainDamage> considering how slow c is compared to the distances involved, extremely unlikely
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2017-01-21T02:49:18 < zyp> ULA launches are pretty borin to watch compared to SpaceX, since they're not landing the booster :p
2017-01-21T02:49:32 < Laurenceb_> and no explosion risk
2017-01-21T02:49:34 < Laurenceb_>  /troll
2017-01-21T02:50:19 < Steffanx> No exceptions?
2017-01-21T02:56:16 < englishman> Laurenceb: if its an old thermostat, it might have a mercury switch
2017-01-21T02:57:06 < englishman> take that shit apart
2017-01-21T02:57:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'll eat it up
2017-01-21T02:57:45 < Laurenceb_> yummy
2017-01-21T02:58:04 < Laurenceb_> better than mercury based vaccinations am i rite?
2017-01-21T02:58:29 < Steffanx> Autism is already there, so won't do more harm.
2017-01-21T02:58:44 < Laurenceb_> but naturalnews says no
2017-01-21T02:59:03 < englishman> oh its <4 years old?
2017-01-21T02:59:14 < englishman> yea honeywell thermostat wont die in that time
2017-01-21T02:59:23 < englishman> maybe your central water has air in it
2017-01-21T03:00:14 < Laurenceb_> nah the boiler is pretty advanced, it'd pick that up and give an error
2017-01-21T03:00:36 < englishman> wut
2017-01-21T03:00:38 < englishman> got a pic?
2017-01-21T03:00:38 < Laurenceb_> I bet thermostat is full of dust/tendies juice
2017-01-21T03:00:48 < Laurenceb_> its like a boiler with lcd screen
2017-01-21T03:00:52 < Laurenceb_> hardly amazing
2017-01-21T03:01:04 < Laurenceb_> like casio watch level :P
2017-01-21T03:01:31 < Laurenceb_> but its a pressurized system with pressure sensing and stuff
2017-01-21T03:01:31 < BrainDamage> is it a boiler with a reservoir tank?
2017-01-21T03:01:54 < Laurenceb_> stainless steel sphere with membrane and N2 aiui
2017-01-21T03:02:05 < PeterM> what the fuck is a tendie? is that what retards call nintendos?
2017-01-21T03:02:18 < englishman> that sounds complicated and unnecessary, like most UK inventions
2017-01-21T03:02:20 < Thorn> http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-sues-qualcomm-over-licensing-practices-1484944919
2017-01-21T03:02:25 < Laurenceb_> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tendies-stories
2017-01-21T03:02:34 < englishman> Laurenceb == tim hunkin
2017-01-21T03:02:36 < Laurenceb_> lul englishman
2017-01-21T03:03:25 < englishman> PeterM: isis has been known to successfully recruit jihadists by posting this to facebook: "put down the chicken tendies and come jihad with us bro"
2017-01-21T03:03:46 < Laurenceb_> I would say that was a /r/danknasheed meme
2017-01-21T03:04:02 < Laurenceb_> but last time I visited that sub it had literally gone pro isis
2017-01-21T03:04:12 < Laurenceb_> kind of like how /pol/ went actually nazi
2017-01-21T03:04:59 < Laurenceb_> that must be some kind of Poe derivative
2017-01-21T03:05:09 < Laurenceb_> if you troll something hard enough you become it
2017-01-21T03:05:34 < BrainDamage> pretty close: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/002210317890032X
2017-01-21T03:06:19 < Laurenceb_> message modification
2017-01-21T03:06:25 < Laurenceb_> sounds like memetics
2017-01-21T03:06:47 < PeterM> to complete the troll you must become hte troll Laurenceb_
2017-01-21T03:06:51 < Laurenceb_> but experimental psychology is usually bunk
2017-01-21T03:07:17 < BrainDamage> to be fair, so have been most of the sciences in their early years
2017-01-21T03:07:28 < BrainDamage> psychology is pretty new, relatively speaking
2017-01-21T03:08:24 < Laurenceb_> http://prefrontal.org/blog/2009/09/the-story-behind-the-atlantic-salmon/
2017-01-21T03:08:40 < Laurenceb_> lul just realised I met some of these people when I was doing my PhD
2017-01-21T03:09:13 < Laurenceb_> didn't know Dartmouth were responsible for that troll paper
2017-01-21T03:10:08  * Laurenceb_ got moaned at by examiners for writing all his own statistical tools and explaining methods in huge appendix
2017-01-21T03:11:19 < BrainDamage> http://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1005268
2017-01-21T03:11:32 < BrainDamage> less trollish, more interestig
2017-01-21T03:11:57 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/hl9a74H.jpg
2017-01-21T03:12:17 < Laurenceb_> hahaha that title is full troll
2017-01-21T03:13:46 < BrainDamage> even moreso when the answer is no
2017-01-21T03:16:38 < Laurenceb_> how come they publish this but my paper was rejected by plos :(
2017-01-21T03:17:32 < Laurenceb_> lulz
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2017-01-21T03:24:50 < Laurenceb_> its gripping and trollish reading http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0954411916680235
2017-01-21T03:24:52 < Laurenceb_> not
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2017-01-21T03:27:51 < Laurenceb_> cuz my name isn't Trump
2017-01-21T03:28:04 < Laurenceb_> so I make realistic claims
2017-01-21T03:28:43 < Thorn> probably medical jargon
2017-01-21T03:29:11 < Laurenceb_> well how well the patient does overall
2017-01-21T03:29:38 < Laurenceb_> babies who are moved by ambulance after premature birth are much more likely to have learning problems etc
2017-01-21T03:30:08 < Laurenceb_> <LeelooMinai> well the combined efforts of the other authors were virtually zero, so it was all up to me
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2017-01-21T03:30:20 < Laurenceb_> grammar isn't my strongest point
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2017-01-21T03:30:35 < Laurenceb_> parasitic coauthors
2017-01-21T03:31:16 < Laurenceb_> ikr
2017-01-21T03:31:25 < Laurenceb_> I don't even know who some of them are
2017-01-21T03:31:52 < Laurenceb_> one of the authors threatened to never speak to me again unless I let his friend on
2017-01-21T03:32:01 < Laurenceb_> they are on performance related pay
2017-01-21T03:32:42 < Thorn> at least you get to be the first author if I'm not mistaken
2017-01-21T03:32:50 < Laurenceb_> but this sort of thing is standard in UK :(
2017-01-21T03:33:03 < Laurenceb_> yeah first author is "most important"
2017-01-21T03:33:31 < Thorn> around here the most senior geezer gets to be the first author of everything published by his department
2017-01-21T03:33:32 < Laurenceb_> cuck students would let a random professor be first author and they would be buried with the random tag along crew
2017-01-21T03:33:50 < Laurenceb_> yeah I only managed it as I went and raged to head of faculty
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2017-01-21T03:37:52 < Laurenceb_> I don't want to become uni prof tho
2017-01-21T03:37:55 < Laurenceb_> shit sucks
2017-01-21T03:38:27 < Laurenceb_> it's all performance related pay, i.e. ripping off work from students and trying to grab grant moneys
2017-01-21T03:38:53 < upgrdman> good job korea   https://i.imgur.com/wqfRH7u.gifv
2017-01-21T03:39:16 < Laurenceb_> basically performance metric  = (papers published * impact factor of journal)
2017-01-21T03:39:24 < Laurenceb_> can you see the flaw here?
2017-01-21T03:40:12 < Laurenceb_> the optimal situation would be the entire faculty author a single paper in a half decent journal once a year
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2017-01-21T03:42:45 < upgrdman> typical american  http://i.imgur.com/HTvW0Ly.gifv
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2017-01-21T04:11:20 < upgrdman> haha  https://gfycat.com/GenerousBraveLarva
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2017-01-21T04:13:20 < Laurenceb_> mum hurt finger more than candle?
2017-01-21T04:41:14 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-01-21T04:49:15 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a55fb92239f0bf39a5b84153195e69dd9921cab02dff9da0ea0bf7dc6e4ec86d.jpg
2017-01-21T04:51:10 < dongs> haha
2017-01-21T04:57:17 < Kitlith> wtf
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2017-01-21T05:16:50 < aandrew> yay
2017-01-21T05:17:01 < aandrew> altium works over RDP on an ESXi guest
2017-01-21T05:17:20 < aandrew> threw a $50 R5450 in the box so I'd have real shaders for the VM
2017-01-21T05:21:24 < ReadError> make sure u enable the fancy rdp features
2017-01-21T05:21:29 < ReadError> for remotefx and n shit
2017-01-21T05:21:35 < ReadError> to get that HQ 
2017-01-21T05:21:48 < aandrew> I'm just using whatever jump desktop does
2017-01-21T05:21:55 < aandrew> it is fast though so I'm happy
2017-01-21T05:22:11 < ReadError> ah i c, remotefx is server settings
2017-01-21T05:22:33 < ReadError> grouppolicy edits
2017-01-21T05:23:45 < dongs> ah the trouble macfags go through to use real software
2017-01-21T05:24:07 < ReadError> MS has a legit RDP client for OSX tho
2017-01-21T05:24:15 < aandrew> yep I know
2017-01-21T05:24:28 < aandrew> jump is nice though
2017-01-21T05:24:36 < ReadError> ya i use jump
2017-01-21T05:24:39 < aandrew> does VNC and RDP, does both ssh and rdp gateways
2017-01-21T05:24:48 < aandrew> ssh gateway is particularly nice
2017-01-21T05:24:49 < aandrew> oh
2017-01-21T05:24:52 < aandrew> this is new
2017-01-21T05:24:57 < aandrew> maybe it's just altium 17 which fixes this
2017-01-21T05:25:03 < aandrew> I removed teh passed through R5450 and it still works
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2017-01-21T05:31:41 < dongs> zyp: your shit arrived
2017-01-21T05:39:59 < aandrew> still lookinig for a decent usb passthrough over RDP. there are some commercial shits and if it worked half assed over real internet instead of LAN I'd pay for it
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2017-01-21T05:49:22 < Kitlith> aandrew, and how well do you *expect* it to work over the internet?
2017-01-21T06:03:40 < ReadError> aandrew: the official rdp client does it
2017-01-21T06:03:41 < ReadError> alsoooo
2017-01-21T06:03:46 < ReadError> if its on esxi
2017-01-21T06:03:51 < ReadError> vmware fusion ;)
2017-01-21T06:03:53 < ReadError> top kek
2017-01-21T06:03:57 < ReadError> very pro
2017-01-21T06:04:16 < ReadError> assuming you have OSX, workstation pro for winders
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2017-01-21T06:15:37 < aandrew> ReadError: it's worked flawlessly with fusion for at least 2 years now
2017-01-21T06:15:54 < aandrew> Kitlith: not everything, but serial ports? yes
2017-01-21T06:15:56 < ReadError> fusion -> esxi ?
2017-01-21T06:16:13 < aandrew> fusion = osx virtualization software
2017-01-21T06:16:15 < ReadError> right
2017-01-21T06:16:18 < aandrew> esxi = bare metal shit
2017-01-21T06:16:20 < ReadError> but you can connect to the esxi server
2017-01-21T06:16:22 < ReadError> with fusion
2017-01-21T06:16:24 < aandrew> oh
2017-01-21T06:16:27 < aandrew> never tried that
2017-01-21T06:16:27 < ReadError> silly goose
2017-01-21T06:16:33 < ReadError> its better than rdp
2017-01-21T06:16:37 < ReadError> does usb etc
2017-01-21T06:16:41 < aandrew> interesting, I'll have to give that a shot
2017-01-21T06:16:44 < ReadError> can resize the window
2017-01-21T06:16:50 < aandrew> so I can tell fusion to connect to an esxi server for a VM?
2017-01-21T06:16:54 < ReadError> yea
2017-01-21T06:17:17 < aandrew> how does one perform this magic?
2017-01-21T06:17:22 < aandrew> custom vm?
2017-01-21T06:17:29 < ReadError> nope its built in
2017-01-21T06:17:45 < aandrew> I'm not seeing it
2017-01-21T06:17:47 < ReadError> ctrl+K
2017-01-21T06:17:51 < ReadError> file -> connect to server
2017-01-21T06:17:58 < ReadError> what version?
2017-01-21T06:18:00 < ReadError> 8.5 here
2017-01-21T06:18:05 < aandrew> 8.5.3
2017-01-21T06:18:14 < aandrew> I dn't see any connect to server
2017-01-21T06:18:16 < ReadError> pro?
2017-01-21T06:18:29 < aandrew> just says vmware fusion 8.5.3
2017-01-21T06:18:31 < aandrew> so probably not
2017-01-21T06:18:43 < ReadError> ya mine says that too
2017-01-21T06:19:24 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XO66rUcw/fusion.png
2017-01-21T06:20:08 < ReadError> VC79R-6NF81-M84XZ-VNW5G-NKUW8
2017-01-21T06:20:49 < aandrew> ah, yeah I guess I don't have rpo
2017-01-21T06:21:00 < aandrew> I'll have to check that out though
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2017-01-21T06:21:44 < ReadError> it also connects to workstation pro etc
2017-01-21T06:21:55 < ReadError> so you can share vms and stuff
2017-01-21T06:22:19 < aandrew> right right
2017-01-21T06:22:27 < aandrew> before december I didn't have an esxi server
2017-01-21T06:22:33 < aandrew> so it didn't make sense to buy pro
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2017-01-21T06:57:55 < ohsix> sup pros i need to gear up for 0402 more
2017-01-21T06:58:10 < ohsix> finer tweezers are on the way, as is finer solder wick
2017-01-21T06:58:23 < ohsix> any trickster stuff that is handy to get
2017-01-21T06:58:31 < englishman> yes
2017-01-21T06:58:37 < ReadError> good liquid fux
2017-01-21T06:58:40 < ReadError> frux
2017-01-21T06:58:46 < ohsix> i was using solder paste, does that count
2017-01-21T06:58:56 < ohsix> er, i already have air station and stuff
2017-01-21T06:58:59 < ohsix> and microscope
2017-01-21T06:59:07 < ohsix> i ordered everything i could think of last night
2017-01-21T06:59:19 < englishman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-vacuum-pick-place-tool-with-foot-control-suction-pen-for-SMD-SMT-/192018326652
2017-01-21T06:59:30 < ohsix> the rework 'job' i had ended up being 0402 and it was hilarious.
2017-01-21T06:59:52 < ReadError> those seem like a PITA to use
2017-01-21T07:00:11 < ohsix> the tweezers were massive and parts kept sticking, and for whatever reason the hot air wasn't really removing the part and the person that needed it done was standing around waiting
2017-01-21T07:00:15 < englishman> works for me
2017-01-21T07:00:31 < englishman> the 0402 nozzle gets clogged eventually
2017-01-21T07:00:33 < ReadError> you like foot vs carb on handle?
2017-01-21T07:00:37 < englishman> yea
2017-01-21T07:00:50 < englishman> more like toe than foot
2017-01-21T07:01:10 < englishman> dat muscle isolation
2017-01-21T07:01:11 < ohsix> i need to get different meter probes too
2017-01-21T07:01:42 < ohsix> englishman: good idea, was thinking of that but one of the puffer pins
2017-01-21T07:01:48 < ohsix> do they actually hold 0402?
2017-01-21T07:01:56 < englishman> yes
2017-01-21T07:01:58 < ohsix> shits so small i have no idea, everything is sticky
2017-01-21T07:01:59 < ohsix> cool
2017-01-21T07:02:02 < englishman> 0402 is no prob
2017-01-21T07:02:21 < englishman> i prefer this to tweezers, 0402 always sticks to the tweezers
2017-01-21T07:02:30 < ohsix> werd
2017-01-21T07:02:50 < ohsix> i was probably too cautious with hot air cuz there were parts on both sides, is there anything to help there
2017-01-21T07:02:54 < ReadError> seems like a pita to rotate 
2017-01-21T07:03:04 < ohsix> you pick it up the right way first :D
2017-01-21T07:03:12 < englishman> meh
2017-01-21T07:03:26 < ReadError> u dont need any special tools
2017-01-21T07:03:31 < ReadError> remember that one guy from TL
2017-01-21T07:03:33 < ohsix> are these worthless? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-IC-Pick-Up-Sucker-Vacuum-Sucking-Pen-Hand-Tool-/252093402897?hash=item3ab1f00f11:g:8wMAAOSwEetV-S9e
2017-01-21T07:03:34 < englishman> this is true ^
2017-01-21T07:03:37 < ReadError> he was buying preheaters
2017-01-21T07:03:40 < ReadError> and all kinds of trash
2017-01-21T07:03:52 < ReadError> thinking it would help him build his board 
2017-01-21T07:03:57 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-21T07:04:03 < englishman> tweezers and hotair is all you need
2017-01-21T07:04:07 < englishman> *need*
2017-01-21T07:04:12 < ohsix> k
2017-01-21T07:04:36 < ohsix> what about cleaning the flux and crap off, it gets on the tools too
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2017-01-21T07:04:50 < englishman> alcohol from the pharmacy
2017-01-21T07:04:54 < ohsix> hm k
2017-01-21T07:05:02 < englishman> if youre pro you dont need to flux the board
2017-01-21T07:05:05 < ohsix> i was using that, it worked but not great
2017-01-21T07:05:10 < ReadError> 91% in USA mostly 
2017-01-21T07:05:11 < ohsix> right
2017-01-21T07:05:11 < englishman> so tehre is nothing to clean
2017-01-21T07:05:22 < ReadError> toothbrush
2017-01-21T07:05:25 < englishman> can also get flux cleaner
2017-01-21T07:05:27 < ReadError> to clean
2017-01-21T07:05:28 < ohsix> the solder paste we have was stored improperly, it sort of works but not great
2017-01-21T07:05:32 < englishman> spray or wipes or bottle
2017-01-21T07:05:38 < englishman> but who cares
2017-01-21T07:05:50 < englishman> more shit to buy
2017-01-21T07:05:55 < ohsix> probably going to have to use it up before we figure that shit out
2017-01-21T07:06:03 < englishman> you will autism over this til the job has long since ended
2017-01-21T07:06:15 < ohsix> ya just casting a wide net in case i forgot something
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2017-01-21T07:06:48 < ReadError> get that thermaldonics
2017-01-21T07:06:53 < ReadError> its gamechanging
2017-01-21T07:06:53 < ohsix> they got the rework they needed for less than the cost of shipping it to the place they were using :> it's in hope of future business
2017-01-21T07:07:38 < englishman> ReadError: did you see that video of the veegan juicer vs veegan nat
2017-01-21T07:07:59 < ReadError> lol no, vegan ew
2017-01-21T07:08:12 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaiwBqjakHc
2017-01-21T07:08:18 < ohsix> vegan vape?
2017-01-21T07:09:44 < ReadError> lol
2017-01-21T07:11:23 < ohsix> we kind of need a way to do inventory too, or at least soon
2017-01-21T07:11:36 < ohsix> how do people do this :[
2017-01-21T07:11:38 < ReadError> took his PB ouch
2017-01-21T07:11:51 < Thorn> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szXEX21wlFs
2017-01-21T07:11:54 < ReadError> i duno how useful he would have been neways
2017-01-21T07:12:21 < englishman> what do you mean
2017-01-21T07:12:23 < englishman> Thorn: nice!
2017-01-21T07:12:53 < englishman> what a big kitten
2017-01-21T07:13:30 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJaaBZ62moc
2017-01-21T07:13:31 < ReadError> haha
2017-01-21T07:13:34 < ReadError> look at the white cat
2017-01-21T07:13:38 < ReadError> so grumps
2017-01-21T07:14:36 < ohsix> how square do you need to get the tool to pick up 0402, is the vacuum sufficient that it just kind of jumps on if it is close?
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2017-01-21T07:15:12 < Thorn> white cat https://youtu.be/pdOm3jXli84?t=6m49s
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2017-01-21T07:17:54 < ohsix> oohic
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2017-01-21T07:19:00 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/xT6A_TyvAcc?t=135
2017-01-21T07:20:24 < ohsix> if i'm supposed to click on those let me know, heheh
2017-01-21T07:38:17 < emeb_mac> R2COM: loving Arizona winter?
2017-01-21T07:38:50 < emeb_mac> depends on your definition of "cold"
2017-01-21T07:39:09 < emeb_mac> for someone who's lived here 30+ years, 60F & rainy feels cold.
2017-01-21T07:39:23 < emeb_mac> for some badass russian dude it's probably cake.
2017-01-21T07:40:29 < emeb_mac> this chick would probably think this weather was hot - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIbTWYdwdEk
2017-01-21T07:42:02 < ohsix> eevblog content is now reading forums to the camera
2017-01-21T07:42:18 < emeb_mac> bottom of barrel dangerously overscraped
2017-01-21T07:44:12 < emeb_mac> R2COM: not really
2017-01-21T07:44:49 < emeb_mac> R2COM: that's bullshit
2017-01-21T07:45:17 < englishman> lol
2017-01-21T07:45:17 < emeb_mac> expensive cables are functionally indistinguishable from lamp cord
2017-01-21T07:45:29 < ohsix> more expedient to point out what he says that isn't bullshit
2017-01-21T07:45:57 < emeb_mac> R2COM: ask him if it's oxygen free copper
2017-01-21T07:46:01 < emeb_mac> that always gets them
2017-01-21T07:46:34 < emeb_mac> nope
2017-01-21T07:47:30 < emeb_mac> the only thing that $$$ cables are good for are A) making salemen richer and B) making audiophools feel good about themselves.
2017-01-21T07:48:29 < ohsix> and if they're for displayport or hdmi 2.1
2017-01-21T07:48:43 < ohsix> or sas
2017-01-21T07:49:02 < englishman> that would pretty much end their sales game
2017-01-21T07:49:14 < englishman> if you brought in your own a/b/x box they probably wouldnt let you use it
2017-01-21T07:49:32 < ohsix> don't discount people liking to spend their money
2017-01-21T07:49:47 < ohsix> in the case of audiophiles
2017-01-21T07:50:01 < emeb_mac> R2COM: I've got no idea what's good these days.
2017-01-21T07:50:05 < ohsix> they may even know it is bullshit, but so is a ferrari or a koenigsegg
2017-01-21T07:50:11 < englishman> is audiophile shit the latest thing you're lusting over that you won't buy? what happened to the monitor?
2017-01-21T07:50:18 < emeb_mac> I haven't bought speakers in decades.
2017-01-21T07:50:46 < englishman> you're probably correct
2017-01-21T07:51:10 < ohsix> oh speaking of a fool and his money
2017-01-21T07:51:13 < ohsix> heheh
2017-01-21T07:51:36 < englishman> of course, csgo tick is like 30Hz or some shit, plus internet lag
2017-01-21T07:52:53 < ReadError> lol R2COM is still talking about audiofool cables
2017-01-21T07:53:25 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-01-21T07:53:33 < englishman> you can use coathangers
2017-01-21T07:54:10 < englishman> surely if monster cables were so good a pro such as yourself would be using them inside your ICs instead of goldwire bonding
2017-01-21T07:54:18 < ohsix> sup ReadError did you dig baskets
2017-01-21T07:54:42 < ReadError> not watched new season yet
2017-01-21T07:54:45 < ohsix> ic
2017-01-21T07:54:57 < ReadError> just finished workaholics
2017-01-21T07:55:01 < ohsix> i need to watch first again, i think the tone is consistent but it seemed weird :D
2017-01-21T07:56:21 < emeb_mac> very
2017-01-21T07:58:29 < emeb_mac> yeah. what's that have to do with speakers?
2017-01-21T08:00:00 < englishman> or monster cable
2017-01-21T08:00:04 < englishman> they have nothing to do with hdmi spec
2017-01-21T08:03:37 < emeb_mac> like audiophools worried that their systems can't reproduce signals 10 octaves above max audible
2017-01-21T08:04:27 < emeb_mac> Oh noes - my amp isn't linear @ 20MHz!!
2017-01-21T08:04:47 < emeb_mac> wtf peoples - it doesn't *need* to be.
2017-01-21T08:05:09 < emeb_mac> yep
2017-01-21T08:05:24 < emeb_mac> failure to engineer. 
2017-01-21T08:05:41 < emeb_mac> R2COM: I doubt pro AV techs use silver
2017-01-21T08:05:49 < emeb_mac> they just use repeaters
2017-01-21T08:06:28 < emeb_mac> exotic materials are rarely needed for *actual* work.
2017-01-21T08:07:23 < emeb_mac> R2COM: that's what I do.
2017-01-21T08:07:46 < emeb_mac> If you can't hear a difference then it doesn't make a difference
2017-01-21T08:08:58 < emeb_mac> don't get me wrong - there's a noticeable difference between Wal-mart speakers and good stuff.
2017-01-21T08:09:11 < emeb_mac> but you can get good stuff for a few hundred $$
2017-01-21T08:09:19 < emeb_mac> no sense spending more than that.
2017-01-21T08:10:19 < emeb_mac> wonder if Klipsch is still the same Klipsch it was 40 yrs ago...
2017-01-21T08:10:34 < emeb_mac> so many well-known names have been sold off to china
2017-01-21T08:10:50 < englishman> uh klipsch *are* walmart speakers
2017-01-21T08:10:51 < englishman> https://www.walmart.com/c/brand/klipsch
2017-01-21T08:11:07 < emeb_mac> like I said...
2017-01-21T08:13:24 < dongs> R2COM: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=846805921
2017-01-21T08:14:12 < dongs> after i haxed the game, im in top10
2017-01-21T08:14:13 < dongs> Lol
2017-01-21T08:14:29 < dongs> unlimited-ish items
2017-01-21T08:14:36 < dongs> so i cleared out entire place
2017-01-21T08:14:56 < emeb_mac> all hail timecop
2017-01-21T08:18:55 < englishman> which game
2017-01-21T08:19:58 < ohsix> https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/01/20/searching-metaphor-reporters-flock-burning-dc-garbage-can/
2017-01-21T08:20:46 < ohsix> emeb_mac: lul there are actually audiophile (and just plain normal) components that are flat to 20mhz+, because why not
2017-01-21T08:22:04 < emeb_mac> ohsix: there are actually good reasons why passing energy at those frequencies is a bad idea.
2017-01-21T08:22:13 < ohsix> i know
2017-01-21T08:22:50 < ohsix> but they need to make new products and it turns out that even in the 90s they couldn't make ones that crap if they tried
2017-01-21T08:22:57 < ohsix> eg. no guard rings on pins like older op amps
2017-01-21T08:23:12 < ohsix> internally compensated and other shit so you don't have feedback problems
2017-01-21T08:24:11 < emeb_mac> I hear the nightlife there is Faaabulous
2017-01-21T08:26:32 < emeb_mac> gah - I had an offer from them 14yrs ago. seemed like a sweatshop
2017-01-21T08:26:57 < emeb_mac> guy I know worked there had a nervous breakdown from stress
2017-01-21T08:27:36 < emeb_mac> OTOH he made a boatload of money.
2017-01-21T08:27:54 < emeb_mac> too tightly wound I guess
2017-01-21T08:28:31 < emeb_mac> well, right-wing conservative christian dude with strict morals
2017-01-21T08:28:53 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-01-21T08:29:00 < emeb_mac> golden showers tough
2017-01-21T08:35:14 < ReadError> they prayed way too much yesterday
2017-01-21T08:36:28 < Kitlith> And how are you sure of that?
2017-01-21T08:37:51 < Kitlith> LeelooMinai, they've won when you aren't ignoring them.
2017-01-21T08:38:50 < Kitlith> True, but trolls 'win' when they are interacted with.
2017-01-21T08:42:49 < emeb_mac> speechless
2017-01-21T08:45:50 < ohsix> ReadError: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC7vUIl2eDs
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2017-01-21T08:49:40 < dongs> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=846819832 k im done
2017-01-21T08:49:46 < dongs> #2 behind obvious cheater
2017-01-21T08:50:09 < Kitlith> Nice
2017-01-21T08:51:20 < ohsix> when you're dealing with one troll that's true
2017-01-21T08:51:30 < dongs> vive of course
2017-01-21T08:51:36 < dongs> theres no other choice
2017-01-21T08:51:42 < ohsix> when you're dealing with a bunch of fucks that are literally just like that, you're talking about the new political class
2017-01-21T08:51:47 < dongs> yes, you missed teh blackfriday sale when it was $600
2017-01-21T08:52:01 < dongs> got it used cheap
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2017-01-21T08:52:22 < dongs> then its in front fo my face everyday
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2017-01-21T08:52:36 < ohsix> http://store.steampowered.com/app/450390/ man those are some tryhard pictures of the thing
2017-01-21T08:52:37 < dongs> i met the guy and picked it up, he didnt loook liek the type that puts dicks into electronics
2017-01-21T08:53:00 < ohsix> i could buy some vives, should i
2017-01-21T08:53:38 < dongs> is that vr? or wat
2017-01-21T08:53:59 < dongs> lets see
2017-01-21T08:54:12 < dongs> that doesnt look like its vr
2017-01-21T08:54:32 < dongs> k downloading
2017-01-21T08:54:37 < dongs> yeah i see it says its compatible with vive
2017-01-21T08:55:25 < dongs> ok
2017-01-21T08:55:39 < dongs> 5 mins while its leeching
2017-01-21T08:56:22 < dongs> or dp
2017-01-21T08:57:03 < dongs> i have it in my office in about 3x5 meter area
2017-01-21T08:57:11 < dongs> that i can walk around in
2017-01-21T08:57:38 < dongs> walking is what makes it awesome
2017-01-21T08:57:46 < dongs> if youre gonna sit might as well get cuck'd by occulus
2017-01-21T08:57:48 < dongs> pedorift
2017-01-21T08:57:59 < dongs> not too bad jsut gotta be aware of it
2017-01-21T08:58:10 < dongs> there's gonan be wirelss stuff sooner or later anyway.
2017-01-21T08:58:23 < dongs> or wearable gtx1070 with a battery pack
2017-01-21T08:58:32 < dongs> (already exists)
2017-01-21T08:58:35 < ohsix> there's wireless now if you put a wireless hdmi link on it
2017-01-21T08:58:53 < dongs> http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/27/11790674/hp-virtual-reality-gaming-pc-backpack
2017-01-21T08:59:34 < dongs> hm why it says i can already play dcs
2017-01-21T08:59:38 < dongs> still 1 min download remaning
2017-01-21T08:59:49 < dongs> oh lol its downloading updats
2017-01-21T09:00:56 < dongs> fps shit is boring
2017-01-21T09:01:27 < dongs> installing directx
2017-01-21T09:01:29 < dongs> i already have it :(
2017-01-21T09:02:36 < dongs> wut
2017-01-21T09:04:49 < ohsix> now that eagle is dead, pirating it to check it out :<
2017-01-21T09:06:14 < ReadError> wat
2017-01-21T09:07:47 < dongs> R2COM: i think i need to play it sitting down and with keyboard/mouse
2017-01-21T09:08:01 < dongs> it dropped me sitting kinda on top of airplane which wasn't moving and I probably had to press some key to unpause
2017-01-21T09:12:08 < dongs> holy shi
2017-01-21T09:12:09 < dongs> t
2017-01-21T09:12:25 < dongs> i think i need a chair
2017-01-21T09:18:42 < dongs> shit's definitely makin me sick
2017-01-21T09:18:47 < dongs> stuttering doesnt help either
2017-01-21T09:25:16 < dongs> yah no heh
2017-01-21T09:25:30 < dongs> i mean i can look around but it feels prety fucked up
2017-01-21T09:26:24 < dongs> maybe if i turned down the quality so my 1070 isnt getting raped by it
2017-01-21T09:27:20 < dongs> R2COM: where is like gfx quality stuff etc
2017-01-21T09:30:29 < dongs> found
2017-01-21T09:31:57 < dongs> worse without stuttering, now making me sick for real :D
2017-01-21T09:34:19 < dongs> R2COM: too realistic
2017-01-21T09:51:43 < upgrdman> dongs, so that hp omen is like a heavy laptop without an lcd?
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2017-01-21T10:13:30 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah
2017-01-21T10:13:38 < dongs> R2COM: no, its too realistic, its fucking my head up
2017-01-21T10:14:15 < dongs> yes, and it fucks wiht my head because i'm not actually moving while playing iit
2017-01-21T10:14:20 < ohsix> ReadError: lul check realtime on youtube, they posted the premier, the new intro and music is lol
2017-01-21T10:14:22 < dongs> yes.
2017-01-21T10:14:55 < dongs> i don't think i like how they conencted their regular UI with VR
2017-01-21T10:15:02 < dongs> it shows up as these overlay screens on top of 3D stuff
2017-01-21T10:15:10 < dongs> you move your head to select and click with mouse
2017-01-21T10:15:12 < dongs> which is kinda fucked up
2017-01-21T10:15:29 < dongs> no im t alking about menus and shit, like choose mission and stuff.
2017-01-21T10:15:34 < ohsix> new set is dum as hell
2017-01-21T10:15:42 < dongs> they show up as kinda big screen in front of you
2017-01-21T10:17:36 < dongs> you mean to look around and shit? yeah, it definitely worked
2017-01-21T10:18:23 < dongs> i forget, i think some 1080p thing per eye, could be wrong tho
2017-01-21T10:19:21 < dongs> doesnt exist
2017-01-21T10:19:43 < dongs> probly, donno
2017-01-21T10:20:09 < dongs> https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC+Vive+Teardown/62213
2017-01-21T10:21:18 < dongs> looks like some samsung amoled shit.
2017-01-21T10:23:16 < dongs> yeah its pretty impressive piece of engineering
2017-01-21T10:23:21 < dongs> unlike occulus dick';d
2017-01-21T10:23:30 < dongs> the whoel laser tracking shit is awesome too
2017-01-21T10:24:02 < dongs> donno its pretty seamless on the hardware side
2017-01-21T10:24:06 < dongs> firmware updates, etc all works
2017-01-21T10:24:32 < dongs> i think its just a 2nd monitor
2017-01-21T10:24:36 < dongs> or 3rd or whatever
2017-01-21T10:25:06 < dongs> yea but I never looked if thats the case when its turned on
2017-01-21T10:25:14 < dongs> i mean donno if it shows up in windows monitor panel
2017-01-21T10:25:21 < dongs> probly does
2017-01-21T10:25:34 < dongs> on my old box, dumb intel bios booted up with headset (hdmi) as primary monitor
2017-01-21T10:25:40 < dongs> so I didnt see bios / post until windows booted on displayport
2017-01-21T10:27:52 < dongs> yes
2017-01-21T10:28:00 < dongs> there's liek a galvanometer thing in those laser shits
2017-01-21T10:28:04 < dongs> x/y mirror
2017-01-21T10:32:25 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-21T10:32:27 < dongs> its dumb.
2017-01-21T10:32:29 < dongs> but works.
2017-01-21T10:33:31 < dongs> haha no.
2017-01-21T10:34:20 < ohsix> ReadError: hurrr mic feedback too :D
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2017-01-21T10:55:19 < dongs> R2COM: you should rate up my troll screenshots so they end up in the main thelab listing :p
2017-01-21T10:55:32 < dongs> do peopel get bant for haxing
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2017-01-21T11:25:55 < dongs> i deleted the real reasoni got #2 spot
2017-01-21T11:26:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1lhoozJ.png which was this
2017-01-21T11:29:04 < ohsix> englishman: link dump -> gamer jerkoff
2017-01-21T11:47:41 < zyp> dongs, that's nice
2017-01-21T11:48:16 < zyp> dongs, also, I'll have to get you the shipping addr for that stuff, you haven't shipped stuff there before
2017-01-21T11:48:28 < zyp> asked the guy the other day, but haven't received a reply yet
2017-01-21T11:49:18 < dongs> k, i gotta make the shit first, i found stencil for it as well
2017-01-21T11:51:47 < dongs> https://i.redd.it/m86pvdy4v4ay.jpg attn germans
2017-01-21T11:55:58 < zyp> wat
2017-01-21T11:56:15 < zyp> is that a ghetto emergency stop or something?
2017-01-21T11:56:26 < dongs> yes
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2017-01-21T13:28:54 < Steffanx> I take my words back Fleck. I was wrong, cubemx was right. Oops. No RGB888.
2017-01-21T13:44:10 < zyp> dongs, haha, hdmi headset
2017-01-21T13:46:53 < Fleck> reason Steffanx?
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2017-01-21T13:47:41 < Steffanx> It doesnt have the RGB0-1 pins. 
2017-01-21T13:48:09 < Fleck> not event alternative functions?
2017-01-21T13:48:20 < Steffanx> nope
2017-01-21T13:48:25 < Fleck> ghh :D
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2017-01-21T13:52:30 < Steffanx> I'll have to do with 265K colors for now then
2017-01-21T13:53:18 < Fleck> are you writing steffanxGFX?
2017-01-21T13:53:33 < Fleck> can it do antialiasing for everything? :P
2017-01-21T13:53:51 < Steffanx> déjà vu
2017-01-21T13:54:14 < Steffanx> No, i'll be using fleckGFX
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2017-01-21T13:59:06 < Fleck> my lib doesn't do anything other than ARGB8888, ltdc ofc is RGB888
2017-01-21T14:05:14 < Steffanx> but dma2d can do some conversions right?
2017-01-21T14:05:19 < Fleck> right
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2017-01-21T14:26:47 < jsoft> is there anything odd about USART's where they need their RX to be enabled in order to TX? Or anything funny like that?
2017-01-21T14:27:17 < ReadError> no
2017-01-21T14:27:31 < ReadError> or not that ive ever had to worry about 
2017-01-21T14:30:19 < jsoft> Hmm
2017-01-21T14:31:03 < jsoft> So pretty much I enable the clock for the GPIO, and the USART, and then its almost good to go, right? Set alternate function on GPIO to the USART?
2017-01-21T14:31:57 < jsoft> Hmm, do I need to enable interrupts? I should be able to poll USARTx->ISR for the TC bit ?
2017-01-21T14:32:00 < ReadError> you need to configrure it still
2017-01-21T14:32:14 < ReadError> parity baud etc 
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2017-01-21T14:32:23 < jsoft> Well it says the reset defaults are pretty much what I want
2017-01-21T14:33:15 < jsoft> Minus baud, I am a bit unsure about how to set that correctly. But worst case it would be slower/faster than the desired rate, is that correct?
2017-01-21T14:35:47 < jsoft> http://pastebin.com/czH2pJyC <-- Can someone please let me know if I am doing something obviously wrong here? The problem is it get's stuck at usart2_tx() waiting for the TC bit to be set.
2017-01-21T14:36:05 < ReadError> wow doing it hardstyle
2017-01-21T14:39:33 < jsoft> What do you use?
2017-01-21T14:41:38 < ReadError> mostly chibios but others use stdperiph or w/e that ST HAL stuff is 
2017-01-21T14:43:47 < jsoft> Right
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2017-01-21T15:08:58 < zyp> https://imgur.com/gallery/iZoTE
2017-01-21T15:09:43 < ReadError> https://imgur.com/gallery/eWr4x lol
2017-01-21T15:10:10 < ReadError> "Please keep plastic away from GWB as it posses a suffocation hazard"
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2017-01-21T15:13:26 < jsoft> zyp, lol
2017-01-21T15:13:51 < jsoft> Is that cheney behind bush?
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2017-01-21T15:15:46 < ReadError> https://i.imgur.com/6Q4xGw9.gif
2017-01-21T15:16:12 < ReadError> yea
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2017-01-21T16:41:52 < Tectu> people
2017-01-21T16:41:55 < Tectu> hello.
2017-01-21T16:51:26 < zyp> Tectu
2017-01-21T16:51:27 < zyp> hello
2017-01-21T16:51:47 < Tectu> Sup zyp?
2017-01-21T16:51:56 < zyp> nothing much
2017-01-21T16:53:02 < Steffanx> no sky?
2017-01-21T16:58:31 < jadew> fun crowd
2017-01-21T16:59:29 < jsoft> Sup
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2017-01-21T17:00:35 < jpa-> sup Tectu?
2017-01-21T17:00:35 < jsoft> Again, anyone care to critizise this code where the USART2 on an STM32F051R8T6 is not transmitting ( waiting for TC to be set ): http://pastebin.com/czH2pJyC  ?
2017-01-21T17:00:40 < Tectu> Hi jpa
2017-01-21T17:00:44 < Tectu> not much
2017-01-21T17:01:09 < Tectu> I got a lawyer now. That guy works at like twice my rates. It's insane. We all picked the wrong profession!
2017-01-21T17:01:50 < Steffanx> Are you expensive or is your laywer cheap?
2017-01-21T17:01:54 < jpa-> half of it is to compensate for having to be a lawyer
2017-01-21T17:02:38 < jpa-> jsoft: seems like atleast you would want to set TE and RE pins
2017-01-21T17:02:47 < Tectu> lol jpa- 
2017-01-21T17:03:00 < jsoft> I thought I was
2017-01-21T17:03:14 < jpa-> *bits
2017-01-21T17:03:19 < jpa-> like 58 is commented out
2017-01-21T17:03:28 < jsoft> I dont need the receive though
2017-01-21T17:03:29 < jpa-> ah you want to transmit only?
2017-01-21T17:03:31 < jpa-> ok
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2017-01-21T17:04:25 < jsoft> Could it be the baud rate?
2017-01-21T17:04:37 < jpa-> baud rate setting seems fine to me
2017-01-21T17:04:55 < jpa-> usually i use TXNE bit instead of TC bit for transmission
2017-01-21T17:05:12 < jpa-> *TXE
2017-01-21T17:06:11 < jsoft> Hmm, same problem
2017-01-21T17:06:34 < zyp> RCC->AHBRSTR |= RCC_AHBRSTR_GPIOARST;
2017-01-21T17:06:37 < zyp> is that sane?
2017-01-21T17:06:37 < jsoft> Makes sense doing that though
2017-01-21T17:06:56 < jsoft> zyp, at this stage I have no idea
2017-01-21T17:07:03 < jpa-> yeah, you should clear the reset bit afterwards i think?
2017-01-21T17:07:03 < jsoft> Lemme check that
2017-01-21T17:07:09 < zyp> RM says «set and cleared by software», so since you're only setting it, it'll stay in reset
2017-01-21T17:07:28 < jpa-> but TC should get set anyway even if the gpio is not working
2017-01-21T17:07:35 < zyp> it's also super stupid having a function named usart2_init() reset the entire GPIOA block
2017-01-21T17:07:55 < jsoft> zyp, yeah I get all that, but at this stage I am just trying to get it to work
2017-01-21T17:08:06 < zyp> so throw out all the stupid shit
2017-01-21T17:08:16 < zyp> I've never touched any of the reset registers
2017-01-21T17:08:34 < zyp> chip starts up with everything properly reset already
2017-01-21T17:08:41 < jsoft> Yeah thats what I thought
2017-01-21T17:09:08 < jsoft> Ok so I binned that ( the AHBRSTR ), any othe obvious fuck ups?
2017-01-21T17:09:21 < jsoft> any other, I mean
2017-01-21T17:09:24 < zyp> looking
2017-01-21T17:09:31 < jpa-> check the USART2->CR1 and status register values in debugger
2017-01-21T17:09:37 < zyp>   GPIOA->BRR = 8000000 / 9600;
2017-01-21T17:09:53 < zyp> that's bit reset register, not baudrate register
2017-01-21T17:10:11 < jpa-> lol yeah, should be USART2->BRR
2017-01-21T17:10:26 < Thorn> why do they even have those RCC reset registers? I've never used them
2017-01-21T17:10:35 < zyp> BSRR is nice, BRR is redundant
2017-01-21T17:11:04 < jpa-> Thorn: it's nice to have the ability to reset peripherals
2017-01-21T17:11:04 < zyp> and the point is to be able to make atomic changes to some pins without affecting other pins
2017-01-21T17:11:08 < zyp> oh
2017-01-21T17:11:13 < zyp> my bad
2017-01-21T17:11:20 < jpa-> but yeah, rarely needed
2017-01-21T17:11:25 < zyp> I thought Thorn asked about GPIOx_BRR
2017-01-21T17:11:38 < zyp> and yes
2017-01-21T17:11:48 < jsoft> It says Baud rate register (USARTx_BRR)
2017-01-21T17:11:52 < jsoft> not reset register
2017-01-21T17:11:54 < jsoft> ?
2017-01-21T17:12:02 < zyp> for complex stuff I can see it being useful to be able to reset peripherals before reinitializing
2017-01-21T17:12:15 < zyp> jsoft, but you're accessing GPIOx_BRR
2017-01-21T17:12:26 < Thorn> maybe if you need to radically reconfigure something after startup
2017-01-21T17:12:40 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-21T17:12:44 < Thorn> I've never needed to do that though
2017-01-21T17:12:44 < zyp> modular drivers, for instance
2017-01-21T17:12:47 < zyp> nah
2017-01-21T17:12:56 < zyp> most common stuff is initialize once and forget
2017-01-21T17:13:10 < zyp> and reset is completely pointless for that
2017-01-21T17:13:26 < jpa-> jsoft: you've written "GPIOA" instead of "USART2" on line 54
2017-01-21T17:14:35 < jsoft> jpa-, that was it :)
2017-01-21T17:14:40 < jsoft> my god
2017-01-21T17:15:02 < zyp> so yes, it could be the baudrate :p
2017-01-21T17:15:08 < jsoft> zyp, I dont see any other option for brr
2017-01-21T17:15:14 < jsoft> it says its a baud rate register
2017-01-21T17:15:19 < jsoft> there is no bsr 
2017-01-21T17:15:26 < jsoft> bsrr 
2017-01-21T17:15:26 < zyp> jsoft, yes, but there's a different register named GPIOx_BRR
2017-01-21T17:15:27 < jsoft> I mean
2017-01-21T17:15:30 < jsoft> Oh ok
2017-01-21T17:15:35  * jsoft investigates
2017-01-21T17:15:37 < zyp> that's why it compiled at all
2017-01-21T17:15:54 < jsoft> Oh I see what you mean
2017-01-21T17:16:25 < zyp> it compiled because GPIOA->BRR also exists, but is something completely different
2017-01-21T17:16:30 < jsoft> Yeah gotchya
2017-01-21T17:16:40 < zyp> otherwise you'd just have gotten a compiler error and could have spotted it easily
2017-01-21T17:16:44 < jsoft> Yeah :)
2017-01-21T17:16:57 < jsoft> Allright fucking awesome, thanks guys
2017-01-21T17:17:06 < jsoft> Always some stupid shit like that aye
2017-01-21T17:17:11 < zyp> easy mistake
2017-01-21T17:17:19 < jsoft> Ive been farting around scratching my head for a while now
2017-01-21T17:17:23 < zyp> and given 16:04:38 < jpa-> baud rate setting seems fine to me
2017-01-21T17:17:29 < zyp> it's not so hard to spot ;)
2017-01-21T17:17:38 < jsoft> :)
2017-01-21T17:17:39 < zyp> s/hard/easy/
2017-01-21T17:18:33 < zyp> the AHB vs APB shit in the RCC enables are even more confusing, so that's the first thing I confirmed you got right
2017-01-21T17:19:13 < zyp> if peripherals don't seem to turn on even though you did, check that you got the bus right
2017-01-21T17:19:17 < jsoft> Yeah I've not done arm stuff before, it took a while to even find the right datasheets, letalone cross reference them
2017-01-21T17:20:17 < zyp> for register layouts, it's all in the RM
2017-01-21T17:20:25 < jsoft> Well now I have some ones and zeros printed up the serial port, thanks to your 60 seconds of review :) Thanks guys
2017-01-21T17:22:48 < englishman> hola Tectu 
2017-01-21T17:22:51 < jpa-> getting debugger running and doing    p /x USART2    and similar is a nice way to double-check register values
2017-01-21T17:23:04 < jpa-> surprisingly many problems are just that the right values didn't get set for reason X
2017-01-21T17:23:16 < Tectu> hi englishman. How's stuff?
2017-01-21T17:23:22 < englishman> great
2017-01-21T17:23:30 < englishman> i bought some lustenberger 1862
2017-01-21T17:23:32 < englishman> good stuff
2017-01-21T17:24:00 < Steffanx> Was ist das?
2017-01-21T17:24:26 < englishman> new dicknplace proj
2017-01-21T17:24:31 < jsoft> jpa-, you mean with openocd ?
2017-01-21T17:24:32 < englishman> but i have to up my game
2017-01-21T17:24:45 < englishman> pasting is hard
2017-01-21T17:25:16 < jsoft> jpa-, what is this p /x USART2
2017-01-21T17:25:17 < Steffanx> Time for a paste dispencing machine?
2017-01-21T17:25:51 < englishman> definitely not, i have a stencil printer and quality framed stencils
2017-01-21T17:25:58 < englishman> but it's still hard to get consistent
2017-01-21T17:26:09 < Steffanx> it prints the USART2 register values in hex jsoft.
2017-01-21T17:26:34 < jsoft> Steffanx, in what though?
2017-01-21T17:26:37 < Steffanx> gdb
2017-01-21T17:26:42 < jsoft> oh ok
2017-01-21T17:27:25 < jsoft> I have not looked into gdp/openocd very much, thanks for the info
2017-01-21T17:35:42 < Thorn> To: owner of ...
2017-01-21T17:35:45 < Thorn> Beginning in January 2017, Chrome (version 56 and later) will mark pages that collect passwords or credit card details as “Not Secure” unless the pages are served over HTTPS.
2017-01-21T17:35:49 < Thorn> The new warning is the first stage of a long-term plan to mark all pages served over the non-encrypted HTTP protocol as “Not Secure”.
2017-01-21T17:36:00 < jsoft> Again thanks for the help guys :) Its always good to have people without tunnel vision to look at things :)
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2017-01-21T18:23:44 < Fleck> Tectu: your new project https://theswissbay.ch ? ;p
2017-01-21T18:25:01 < Tectu> Fleck, lol no.
2017-01-21T18:25:15 < Tectu> I'd get in a lot of trouble doing that :D
2017-01-21T18:27:25 < Fleck> heh
2017-01-21T18:29:02 < Steffanx> "Dragons are the myth alive in the heart of men." Tectu wouldnt write that. :P
2017-01-21T18:29:34 < Steffanx> Torrenting is illegal business in swisserland?
2017-01-21T18:29:49 < Fleck> why do you think it's torrenting? :p
2017-01-21T18:31:20 < Tectu> Steffanx, I don't think that said lawyer would appreciate it though
2017-01-21T18:31:53 < Steffanx> but this is the kind of stuff you have a laywer for.
2017-01-21T18:38:45 < kakimir> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2tGtCgXUAAh8jU.jpg:large
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2017-01-21T18:52:43 < Laurenceb_> https://dearkitty1.wordpress.com/2017/01/20/anti-trump-demonstration-antarctic-21-january/
2017-01-21T18:52:45 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-01-21T18:59:24 < zyp> haha
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2017-01-21T20:00:21 < jadew> fucking russian hijacked 4 of my domain names
2017-01-21T20:00:44 < jadew> I was pointing them to a dynamic DNS service, but didn't claim them
2017-01-21T20:01:08 < jadew> and that service was so shit, they didn't bother to check if who was claiming them actually owned the domains
2017-01-21T20:01:22 < jadew> one of them got flagged for malware :/
2017-01-21T20:06:03 < englishman> ah the ole dns switcharoo
2017-01-21T20:06:38 < jadew> what's worse is that I was going to use one of them for the side project I've been working on
2017-01-21T20:06:44 < jadew> that one didn't get flagged tho
2017-01-21T20:06:59 < jadew> anyway, I'm glad I noticed
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2017-01-21T20:10:04 < kakimir> did you get what you where asking for?
2017-01-21T20:10:25 < jadew> what was I asking for?
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2017-01-21T20:11:04 < jadew> btw, this thing I'm making is turning out great
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2017-01-21T20:12:34 < jadew> it's a time sink tho, but I hope it'll be useful and maybe I'll make a buck or two from ads :D
2017-01-21T20:12:47 < kakimir> you knew there was an issue and ignored it?
2017-01-21T20:12:58 < jadew> with the domains?
2017-01-21T20:13:05 < jadew> I just found out that they got hijacked
2017-01-21T20:13:26 < jadew> tbh tho, I did think that this could be an issue when I claimed some of my other domains with that service
2017-01-21T20:13:52 < jadew> but I didn't think anyone would want to do that
2017-01-21T20:14:05 < kakimir> in internets it's all exploit
2017-01-21T20:14:25 < jadew> yeah, I just changed my passwords for my internet facing server
2017-01-21T20:14:37 < jadew> it had the same password with my private one
2017-01-21T20:14:49 < jadew> (where keep the git server and all the goodies)
2017-01-21T20:15:42 < jadew> I should probably isolate that one differently
2017-01-21T20:15:51 < jadew> like get a network card and connect to it directly
2017-01-21T20:16:10 < jadew> *an extra network card
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2017-01-21T20:17:46 < kakimir> I need inexpensive gigabit switch
2017-01-21T20:18:06 < kakimir> to connect craputers
2017-01-21T20:18:38 < Steffanx> What's inexpensive? ~25e?
2017-01-21T20:18:51 < Steffanx> and amount of ports?
2017-01-21T20:20:07 < Steffanx> I like some (unmanaged) netgear gs105/108. Mainly because if it's industralish look.
2017-01-21T20:20:29 < Steffanx> or the tplink sg108e, but i wouldnt be surprised if this is actually the same hw.
2017-01-21T20:21:42 < jadew> I have tp-link sg1024d
2017-01-21T20:24:15 < jadew> I remember it was pretty cheap and it looks good too
2017-01-21T20:27:01 < kakimir> something like 25eur yeah
2017-01-21T20:27:08 < kakimir> do I need anything to it?
2017-01-21T20:27:18 < kakimir> I just want to connect desktop to some crap
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2017-01-21T20:28:14 < jadew> in my experience, 5 ports is never enough
2017-01-21T20:28:38 < jadew> even when it is, it'll come a time when it isn't
2017-01-21T20:29:35 < kakimir> when do I need a router and when do I need just a switch?
2017-01-21T20:30:01 < jadew> you need a router when you want to have control over where and how packages get routed
2017-01-21T20:30:17 < jadew> and you get a switch when you just want devices to talk to each other
2017-01-21T20:30:47 < jadew> for example, with a router you can say port x, y and z are isolated from the rest and are on their own network
2017-01-21T20:31:06 < jadew> and port w is not connected to any of the other prots, it's just for me
2017-01-21T20:31:13 < jadew> food time
2017-01-21T20:34:13 < kakimir> what if I just throw some gigabit adapters to pc that is running 247?
2017-01-21T20:34:25 < Steffanx> why bother? 
2017-01-21T20:34:26 < kakimir> like 2 is enought already
2017-01-21T20:34:55 < Steffanx> Better install pfsense too then :P
2017-01-21T20:36:06 < englishman> pfsense is fucky
2017-01-21T20:36:34 < englishman> but for opensores its *okay*
2017-01-21T20:36:35 < Steffanx> because freebsd?
2017-01-21T20:37:11 < englishman> more like, constant changing and breaking shit, crap documentation, their own way of doing things that's completely different, poor compatibility between modules
2017-01-21T20:37:38 < englishman> all these problems are platform-agnostic
2017-01-21T20:37:42 < englishman> but typical of opensores
2017-01-21T20:38:44 < jadew> back
2017-01-21T20:39:05 < Steffanx> Food time in 7 minutes?
2017-01-21T20:39:16 < jadew> I eat, shit and fuck in under 2 minutes
2017-01-21T20:39:27 < Steffanx> Poor wife/
2017-01-21T20:39:28 < Steffanx> .
2017-01-21T20:39:30 < jadew> :P
2017-01-21T20:39:38 < jadew> I'm kidding
2017-01-21T20:39:42 < jadew> I was in a rush
2017-01-21T20:39:43 < englishman> taking 100 seconds just to shit
2017-01-21T20:40:18 < jadew> englishman, out of the total of 2 minutes? :D
2017-01-21T20:40:34 < englishman> plenty of time left for the other 2 things
2017-01-21T20:40:40 < jadew> hehe
2017-01-21T20:40:46 < Steffanx> Why one can't do all at once?
2017-01-21T20:40:54 < jadew> I was in a rush because I realized I didn't tell kakimir the whole story
2017-01-21T20:41:10 < jadew> you mainly need a router so you can give internet to multiple devices from a single connection :P
2017-01-21T20:41:22 < jadew> Steffanx, pretty sure some are doing it
2017-01-21T20:41:29 < Steffanx> i dont want to know.
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2017-01-21T20:44:55 < zyp> jadew, that sounds like a very simplifed explanation
2017-01-21T20:45:33 < jadew> zyp, if you want to get into details, be my guest :P
2017-01-21T20:45:56 < jadew> I'm sure he'll figure them out himself if he decides he needs one tho
2017-01-21T20:46:05 < zyp> well, the thing is, there's not a single answer that's correct for every situation
2017-01-21T20:46:35 < zyp> some ISPs will let you hook up a switch and will assign IPs for several devices
2017-01-21T20:46:54 < jadew> ah, I see what you mean
2017-01-21T20:46:56 < zyp> the one I had a year and a half ago did that, for instance
2017-01-21T20:47:10 < jadew> that's uncommon I think
2017-01-21T20:47:18 < zyp> and you're kinda confusing routing with NAT as well
2017-01-21T20:48:02 < jadew> that's the main purpose of a home router tho
2017-01-21T20:48:55 < zyp> yeah, until ipv6 takes over
2017-01-21T20:49:46 < jadew> can't be too soon
2017-01-21T20:50:11 < zyp> hehe
2017-01-21T20:50:15 < zyp> you don't get it yet?
2017-01-21T20:50:27 < jadew> I'm on IPv4
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2017-01-21T20:50:50 < zyp> I had ipv6 at my last apartment
2017-01-21T20:50:50 < jadew> not sure if anything works over IPv6
2017-01-21T20:51:09 < jadew> let's try, there has to be an ipv6 only website
2017-01-21T20:51:16 < zyp> ip6.me
2017-01-21T20:51:40 < zyp> hmm
2017-01-21T20:51:41 < zyp> https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
2017-01-21T20:51:44 < zyp> up to 16% now
2017-01-21T20:51:56 < jadew> I'm not passing the ipv6 test
2017-01-21T20:52:00 < zyp> making pretty steady progress
2017-01-21T20:52:15 < jadew> yeah, not bad
2017-01-21T20:52:29 < zyp> well, it could be your router not supporting it
2017-01-21T20:52:50 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-21T20:52:50 < zyp> ipv6 from the ISP doesn't help if it doesn't get past your router
2017-01-21T20:54:06 < jadew> 7.27% adoption in Romania
2017-01-21T20:54:57 < jadew> yep, looks like my ISP supports it since 2012
2017-01-21T20:55:28 < zyp> guess DHCPv6-PD is either unsupported or disabled in your router then
2017-01-21T20:55:33 < zyp> assuming that's what they use
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2017-01-21T20:55:52 < jadew> I don't know, they gave me the router hehe
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2017-01-21T20:56:08 < jadew> and most of its features are locked
2017-01-21T20:56:38 < jadew> I used a different one before, but I have to use this one now for the fiberlink
2017-01-21T20:57:23 < zyp> then their support isn't very good :p
2017-01-21T20:59:50 < jadew> zyp, that adoption curve looks exponential, so maybe it'll reach 100% in a couple of years
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2017-01-21T21:00:12 < zyp> well, it's naturally going to taper off as it approaches
2017-01-21T21:00:47 < zyp> adoption is always slow in the beginning, then it starts going exponential before it tapers off at the end
2017-01-21T21:01:34 < zyp> hmm, looks like around 10% of the traffic to my server is ipv6
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2017-01-21T21:16:33 < Fleck> one should get over it :D
2017-01-21T21:32:42 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redditmedia.com/JDvWumfllw1l7LBMOkV6gTUjSA0RtkeO_1BaqnY4KH0.jpg?w=674&s=9f7c50b047b1f4d80ce425124fe3691f
2017-01-21T21:34:59 < jadew> empty square?
2017-01-21T21:35:11 < jadew> nvm, silly irc client
2017-01-21T21:35:47 < Steffanx> heh
2017-01-21T21:36:03 < Steffanx> You could've known.. he would never post an empty square ;)
2017-01-21T21:39:52 < jadew> Steffanx, could have been a new meme
2017-01-21T21:41:32 < jadew> LeelooMinai, are they celebrating democracy?
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2017-01-21T21:48:46 < jadew> what are they protesting?
2017-01-21T21:51:36 < jadew> are you watching it live?
2017-01-21T21:52:31 < jadew> looks like a concert is about to begin
2017-01-21T21:53:34 < jadew> eh, pretty sure they did, what I don't understand is why they're protesting now
2017-01-21T21:53:38 < jadew> give the man a chance
2017-01-21T21:53:57 < jadew> if things get worse in 2 years, protest then
2017-01-21T21:54:16 < jadew> at the moment it's impossible to say how things will go
2017-01-21T21:54:22 < jadew> also... a concert just started lol
2017-01-21T21:54:48 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what do you mean?
2017-01-21T21:55:39 < zyp> has there been any other disasters than symbolic ones so far?
2017-01-21T21:56:21 < jadew> you don't know that yet, it's obvious the guy has the best intentions
2017-01-21T21:56:31 < jadew> sure, some of his ideas seem wacky
2017-01-21T21:56:53 < jadew> but I'm sure he'll have a bunch of people telling him when he's crossing the line
2017-01-21T21:57:11 < jadew> things might actually work out, that's all I'm saying
2017-01-21T22:01:22 < jadew> you know what seems weird to me?
2017-01-21T22:01:43 < jadew> the fact that there's so much emotional involvement
2017-01-21T22:01:56 < jadew> I mean, normally when the other side wins, you get pissed off a bit
2017-01-21T22:01:57 < Steffanx> Yeah, it even hit ##stm32. Such wonderful.
2017-01-21T22:02:30 < Steffanx> *so
2017-01-21T22:02:43 < jadew> these people seem to get pissed off a lot, which means that half the population has contradictory ideas and they feel VERY strongly about them
2017-01-21T22:02:47 < jadew> which is... weird
2017-01-21T22:02:59 < zyp> jadew, he's acting in a very polarising way
2017-01-21T22:03:15 < zyp> you end up either for or against what he stands for
2017-01-21T22:03:24 < jadew> zyp, yeah, I guess that's true
2017-01-21T22:05:17 < Steffanx> "will suffer". You don't know that. Except for a new man in the white house.. nothing changed yet.
2017-01-21T22:05:28 < jadew> I agree
2017-01-21T22:05:45 < Steffanx> oh, except for obama care maybe. 
2017-01-21T22:05:52 < jadew> keep in mind he'll now gain access to some of the brightest minds and to people who have done a lot of research on everything
2017-01-21T22:06:04 < jadew> he'll get schooled on a lot of issues
2017-01-21T22:06:10 < jadew> including immigration and all that
2017-01-21T22:07:06 < Steffanx> Yeah, you know him personally. 
2017-01-21T22:07:31 < Steffanx> Watched CNN much?
2017-01-21T22:07:48 < Steffanx> Or Clinton sponsored documentaries?
2017-01-21T22:09:04 < Steffanx> Sometimes, yes :P
2017-01-21T22:09:21 < Fleck> ;p
2017-01-21T22:11:54 < jadew> I can't form an opinion yet
2017-01-21T22:11:57 < jadew> 2 years from now, maybe
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2017-01-21T22:12:48 < jadew> which one?
2017-01-21T22:14:10 < Fleck> get a room! Try #politics maybe? :D
2017-01-21T22:14:28 < Fleck> crying here won't help change anything
2017-01-21T22:15:22 < jadew> LeelooMinai, again, maybe I don't know what you do, but what makes you say that?
2017-01-21T22:15:34 < jadew> what exactly from what he did/said or stands for?
2017-01-21T22:16:24 < jadew> the way I see it, is that at this point he's a guy who managed to win the elections
2017-01-21T22:18:05 < jadew> well, it's possible the things you're using to characterize him are just things he said to win the election.
2017-01-21T22:18:23 < jadew> and you're ignoring the fact that he won't be ruling alone
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2017-01-21T22:19:27 < Steffanx> So what did change LeelooMinai?
2017-01-21T22:19:35 < Steffanx> What plans are already executed?
2017-01-21T22:20:35 < Steffanx> That's one thing. Not "everything" ;)
2017-01-21T22:20:59 < jadew> the obama care thing?
2017-01-21T22:21:42 < Steffanx> Yes
2017-01-21T22:21:53 < jadew> that's one of the things where he's correct from an economical standpoint, that thing has to go
2017-01-21T22:22:12 < Steffanx> but whatever. I hardly give a damn yet.
2017-01-21T22:22:36 < Steffanx> Nein.
2017-01-21T22:22:46 < jadew> it has been proven over and over that subsidized stuff has actually increased the price of the said stuff
2017-01-21T22:23:02 < jadew> what you want to have is better health insurance
2017-01-21T22:23:20 < jadew> (increased price and lowered quality)
2017-01-21T22:24:18 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you obviously can't just turn it off
2017-01-21T22:24:42 < jadew> but it can be eliminated slowly, with a positive impact on the services everyone gets
2017-01-21T22:26:33 < jadew> LeelooMinai, it always requires $$$
2017-01-21T22:26:39 < jadew> what matters is where the money comes from
2017-01-21T22:27:18 < jadew> because that ultimately dictates how affordable it really is
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2017-01-21T22:28:58 < jadew> that's the thing, it shouldn't come from taxes
2017-01-21T22:29:04 < jadew> it should come from insurance companies
2017-01-21T22:29:37 < jadew> if it comes from taxes it means the real price will go up much more than it should
2017-01-21T22:29:52 < jadew> no it doesn't, the consequence is that prices will get lower
2017-01-21T22:30:04 < jadew> and there'll be more tax money for other stuff
2017-01-21T22:30:17 < jadew> say... for people who need health care and really can't afford it
2017-01-21T22:33:49 < jadew> enjoy
2017-01-21T22:33:52 < jadew> now I want pizza too
2017-01-21T22:34:02 < Steffanx> I just had pizza.
2017-01-21T22:34:07 < Steffanx> Want pizza more now?
2017-01-21T22:34:31 < jadew> yes!
2017-01-21T22:34:54 < Steffanx> Ask your wife to order you some
2017-01-21T22:36:18 < jadew> Steffanx, just did that :D
2017-01-21T22:37:09 < jadew> you got a new display?
2017-01-21T22:38:25 < jadew> what display is it?
2017-01-21T22:39:45 < jadew> I've been using splits in vim and kinda like it
2017-01-21T22:40:28 < jadew> if you use linux it's unavoidable
2017-01-21T22:40:50 < jadew> FR?
2017-01-21T22:40:59 < jadew> haha
2017-01-21T22:41:35 < jadew> I am, but I have to use linux for this project
2017-01-21T22:42:07 < jadew> https://camo.githubusercontent.com/c7a27d6d12e5aad84000071e92c5c800d80c9b53/687474703a2f2f696d672e796f75747562652e636f6d2f76692f7a616549685551517851412f302e6a7067
2017-01-21T22:42:24 < jadew> it's fine
2017-01-21T22:42:35 < jadew> I'm getting used to it, it's less crappy that it used to
2017-01-21T22:42:44 < jadew> at least with cinnamon
2017-01-21T22:43:02 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-21T22:43:08 < jadew> browser + IDE
2017-01-21T22:43:31 < Steffanx> one can always move to sublime text or atom 
2017-01-21T22:43:37 < jadew> I'm using atom
2017-01-21T22:43:53 < jadew> what I noticed when using linux tho, is that I'm making better use of the virtual desktops
2017-01-21T22:44:05 < jadew> enjoy
2017-01-21T22:44:37 < Steffanx> Talking about virtual desktops.. i didnt know until recently windows 10 can do that too.
2017-01-21T22:44:49 < jadew> heh, I had them on XP
2017-01-21T22:44:55 < zyp> dongs, do you know if this sort of shit is cheap? http://bin.jvnv.net/f/esUHL.png
2017-01-21T22:45:15 < Steffanx> out of the box that is jadew
2017-01-21T22:45:30 < jadew> Steffanx, it had the functionality built in, but it wasn't exposed
2017-01-21T22:45:42 < jadew> all the extra program did was tell windows what to do
2017-01-21T22:46:20 < Steffanx> oh ok.
2017-01-21T22:55:46 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOEFLRjYtR0RnUTg/view?usp=sharing getting pro
2017-01-21T22:56:16 < kakimir> more pro than other pros
2017-01-21T22:56:46 < jadew> em simulation?
2017-01-21T22:56:51 < jadew> what software is that?
2017-01-21T22:58:43 < kakimir> openfoam "hello world" project
2017-01-21T22:58:47 < kakimir> tutorial
2017-01-21T22:58:55 < jadew> nice
2017-01-21T22:59:20 < jadew> can you easily enter the PCB?
2017-01-21T22:59:50 < kakimir> I don't think that without external tools it would be too easy
2017-01-21T23:00:37 < kakimir> this thing has like solvers for everything but I'm interested in fluid flow solvers
2017-01-21T23:01:05 < BrainDamage> is that that the drain of your bathub?
2017-01-21T23:01:13 < BrainDamage> openfoam is cfd only to my knowledge
2017-01-21T23:02:03 < kakimir> https://www.esi-group.com/sites/default/files/software-services/4976/image18.jpg
2017-01-21T23:02:12 < kakimir> no it isn't
2017-01-21T23:03:53 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFOAM#Capabilities
2017-01-21T23:05:53 < BrainDamage> all the citations are to the same page that only lists CFD related capabilities
2017-01-21T23:06:03 < BrainDamage> ie here: http://cfd.direct/openfoam/features/#electromagneticsSolvers
2017-01-21T23:07:16 < jadew> pizza's here
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2017-01-21T23:15:26 < kakimir> http://openfoam.org/release/2-3-0/thermal/ but it has thermal
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2017-01-21T23:17:47 < BrainDamage> that's still a necesarry component of CFD
2017-01-21T23:18:13 < BrainDamage> without thermal you can't do convection
2017-01-21T23:20:33 < kakimir> bet they do licencing
2017-01-21T23:21:03 < BrainDamage> it's actually one of the few topics where paid support is quite lucrative
2017-01-21T23:21:09 < kakimir> for using it as backend in $$$$$$ tools
2017-01-21T23:21:25 < BrainDamage> so you can keep it open source and still get big bucks
2017-01-21T23:21:56 < BrainDamage> it's useful If eg you're designing a turbine
2017-01-21T23:22:32 < BrainDamage> there's rc planes 
2017-01-21T23:22:47 < BrainDamage> with turbojet
2017-01-21T23:23:07 < kakimir> simple case of a wing profile
2017-01-21T23:23:16 < BrainDamage> the hobbist limit is just arbitrary, most hobbists won't even touch smd
2017-01-21T23:23:48 < BrainDamage> yes and no, the point of those is exactly to AVOID having to build every iteration
2017-01-21T23:24:02 < kakimir> ehh.. wing profile is a bad example there is some programs that solve everything about them
2017-01-21T23:24:04 < ReadError> does it actually do foam things?
2017-01-21T23:24:10 < kakimir> probably
2017-01-21T23:24:28 < BrainDamage> that you have to do regardless of sim
2017-01-21T23:24:33 < ReadError> ive only used profili for generating profiles
2017-01-21T23:25:03 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: if I need to then I need to
2017-01-21T23:25:39 < BrainDamage> I for one don't build every iteration of microstrip filter I design ...
2017-01-21T23:26:36 < BrainDamage> no, I pre calculate roughly by pen and paper
2017-01-21T23:26:47 < BrainDamage> the sim gives me much more "real life" results
2017-01-21T23:27:03 < BrainDamage> so that I only have to redo at most once
2017-01-21T23:27:28 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: for what I need this it's more of accessory to have simulations
2017-01-21T23:28:05 < kakimir> instead of design that just looks nice
2017-01-21T23:28:12 < BrainDamage> typing equations on a pc is cumbersome
2017-01-21T23:28:31 < jadew> BrainDamage, you'll have to teach me sometime
2017-01-21T23:28:33 < BrainDamage> I could probably get some expensive tablet with a digitizer pen
2017-01-21T23:28:39 < kakimir> something I wouldn't bother to have wingtunnel time for
2017-01-21T23:28:44 < jadew> I'm having a hard time even getting simulations to match the result
2017-01-21T23:28:55 < jadew> but then again, I've been using only FR-4
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2017-01-21T23:29:04 < BrainDamage> what do you use? microwave office?
2017-01-21T23:29:05 < jadew> and that doesn't perform well after 3-4 GHz
2017-01-21T23:29:23 < BrainDamage> yes, FR-4's Q drop sharply after 2GHz
2017-01-21T23:29:30 < jadew> I had access to Genesys at one point
2017-01-21T23:29:32 < jadew> not anymore tho
2017-01-21T23:30:44 < jadew> BrainDamage, you're using mw office?
2017-01-21T23:31:07 < BrainDamage> when doing EM yes
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2017-01-21T23:31:22 < BrainDamage> the optimization tool is nice
2017-01-21T23:31:32 < jadew> is it because it's better than genesys or other reasons?
2017-01-21T23:31:58 < jadew> (I think it's also a bit cheaper)
2017-01-21T23:31:59 < BrainDamage> when doing the design at S-matrix level tought I use a tool from the univ that's not public tugh
2017-01-21T23:32:31 < BrainDamage> I haven't tried genesys, I use uwave because they paid the license for me
2017-01-21T23:32:53 < jadew> got it
2017-01-21T23:35:05 < jadew> after having a go at more serious RF stuff, I can't help but think that the guys who designed my SA were freaking wizards
2017-01-21T23:35:46 < jadew> such linearity
2017-01-21T23:36:21 < BrainDamage> very signal
2017-01-21T23:37:55 < jadew> seriously, I can't even imagine how it's possible
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2017-01-21T23:40:29 < jadew> haha
2017-01-21T23:41:31 < ReadError> https://i.redd.it/3bv7b25m93by.jpg lul
2017-01-21T23:41:34 < Steffanx> I know there's benefit to not bitch at each other every time.
2017-01-21T23:43:39 < ReadError> you screw to tighten...
2017-01-21T23:43:43 < ReadError> what is R2COM trying to say
2017-01-21T23:45:00 < jadew> lol
2017-01-21T23:46:11 < jadew> I just found out a couple of days ago that only one of my speakers is working
2017-01-21T23:48:01 < ReadError> I stick my finger in a piece of toilet paper
2017-01-21T23:48:06 < ReadError> and stick it in my ear and twist
2017-01-21T23:48:49 < BrainDamage> "low ohm"speakers require large currents in the finals, if it's a linear amp the large current makes it distort less but throws the efficiency to shit
2017-01-21T23:49:18 < ReadError> fuckin hell, its not like hes going to be able to tell the difference
2017-01-21T23:49:40 < ReadError> better off making the room more acoustically sound 
2017-01-21T23:50:13 < ReadError> yea so work on that
2017-01-21T23:50:35 < BrainDamage> bad, ideally you should hear only the direct wave
2017-01-21T23:50:46 < BrainDamage> the ideal amp is just a wire
2017-01-21T23:50:54 < BrainDamage> you can put heavy carpets
2017-01-21T23:51:12 < BrainDamage> but the question is: how much do you care
2017-01-21T23:52:07 < ReadError> you been talking about --- wire --- for 3 days tho
2017-01-21T23:52:08 < ReadError> lol
2017-01-21T23:52:14 < jadew> R2COM, get a set of computer speakers
2017-01-21T23:52:48 < jadew> lol LeelooMinai 
2017-01-21T23:53:31 < BrainDamage> you can get away with compact midrange speakers, they'll sound pretty good for cost without sperging over
2017-01-21T23:53:50 < BrainDamage> here they cost 100-150€ or so a pair
2017-01-21T23:54:44 < BrainDamage> flor speakers are nice,but considerably more expensive
2017-01-21T23:54:48 < BrainDamage> yup
2017-01-21T23:56:09 < zyp> that makes two of you
2017-01-21T23:56:36 < BrainDamage> the nice thing of large speakrs is that they have high efficiency, so for he same output volume you can set the gain lower so less distortion, in the past it was a necesity because of the distortion figures
2017-01-21T23:56:49 < BrainDamage> nowdays, not so much
2017-01-21T23:57:13 < BrainDamage> unless you use some shit ass 10%THD china amp
2017-01-21T23:57:25 < BrainDamage> where 10% is actually 30
2017-01-21T23:58:20 < BrainDamage> all the speakers aren't flat in response
2017-01-21T23:59:00 < BrainDamage> some will feel mor pleasing, but there it's a matter of personal taste
2017-01-21T23:59:07 < BrainDamage> just like not everyone likes rock
2017-01-21T23:59:16 < BrainDamage> no, it's not just volume
2017-01-21T23:59:24 < BrainDamage> the freq response is a function of the size
2017-01-21T23:59:31 < BrainDamage> it's why woofers have tobe so large
2017-01-21T23:59:57 < BrainDamage> yes
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2017-01-22T00:01:36 < BrainDamage> a plot of the spectral response would be nice and would give a good way tocompare speakers without physically listening
2017-01-22T00:01:39 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/How-Bottom-Without-Pain-Stains/dp/0989139719/
2017-01-22T00:01:43 < BrainDamage> but nobod does that
2017-01-22T00:01:49 < ReadError> for R2COM 
2017-01-22T00:02:41 < ReadError> lol you sure think about sexuality a lot my friend
2017-01-22T00:02:47 < ReadError> internalizing ?
2017-01-22T00:04:15 < ReadError> ya normal people dont really jump to that conclusion for everything
2017-01-22T00:06:05 < ReadError> you mentioned it first
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2017-01-22T00:09:28 < ReadError> its too easy
2017-01-22T00:09:31 < ReadError> very not fun
2017-01-22T00:09:50 < ReadError> im already bored
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2017-01-22T00:14:17 < BrainDamage> well, ideally you want to hear the same thing as it was recorded
2017-01-22T00:14:24 < BrainDamage> not that + echo
2017-01-22T00:16:55 < jadew> but as you said earlier, it's a matter of taste
2017-01-22T00:17:04 < jadew> some people actually like distorted audio
2017-01-22T00:18:20 < jadew> + if you listen church music, the fact that the echo changes as you're moving through the room gives it extra authenticity
2017-01-22T00:21:37 < jadew> I was smart there, I opened in a private window
2017-01-22T00:22:00 < jadew> *incognito
2017-01-22T00:22:05 < ReadError> jadew: hows ur lunix desktop 
2017-01-22T00:22:20 < jadew> ReadError, pretty good so far
2017-01-22T00:22:29 < jadew> crashed a couple of times, but it's reasonable
2017-01-22T00:24:53 < jadew> I didn't lose anything, so I got over it pretty quit
2017-01-22T00:24:56 < jadew> *quick
2017-01-22T00:25:09 < ReadError> my win10 box has been up for 2months probably
2017-01-22T00:25:24 < jadew> yeah, I kept mine on all the time too
2017-01-22T00:25:50 < jadew> the latest crash was today, but I think it had to do with hibernation
2017-01-22T00:25:52 < BrainDamage> yeah, I have even larger speakers than those and don't use a subwoofer
2017-01-22T00:26:01 < BrainDamage> subs also kinda overdo it for my taste
2017-01-22T00:26:10 < jadew> after I resumed it from hibernation it started acting funny
2017-01-22T00:26:13 < BrainDamage> ancient shit
2017-01-22T00:26:21 < BrainDamage> toshiba concave
2017-01-22T00:26:24 < BrainDamage> older than me
2017-01-22T00:26:34 < BrainDamage> I got them used for dirt cheap
2017-01-22T00:26:51 < jadew> BrainDamage, you can always turn the bass down
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2017-01-22T00:27:23 < BrainDamage> jadew: it's the high cutoff that annoys me
2017-01-22T00:27:43 < BrainDamage> if you can set the crossover point, then it's ok
2017-01-22T00:28:53 < BrainDamage> so large cheap speakers were the most sane choice without having to sperg over
2017-01-22T00:29:39 < jadew> I have some creative speakers from more than 10 years ago
2017-01-22T00:29:44 < jadew> I wonder what's their response
2017-01-22T00:30:10 < jadew> how good do you think is my phone's microphone response?
2017-01-22T00:30:17 < jadew> I could use one of those sound analyzer apps to check it
2017-01-22T00:31:29 < jadew> I have the subwoofer under a different desk :D
2017-01-22T00:31:54 < jadew> and just one speaker under the one I'm using
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2017-01-22T00:33:02 < BrainDamage> correct
2017-01-22T00:33:11 < BrainDamage> subwoofers you don'tgive a shit where they are
2017-01-22T00:33:28 < BrainDamage> just don't put on an unstable surface >_>
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2017-01-22T00:34:26 < BrainDamage> what do you mean "to back" ?
2017-01-22T00:34:49 < BrainDamage> you really can put them anywhere
2017-01-22T00:35:32 < BrainDamage> to feel the subhearing vibrations?
2017-01-22T00:35:39 < BrainDamage> is it a dildo shaped subwoofer?
2017-01-22T00:35:40 < upgrdman> to tickle his balls
2017-01-22T00:36:05 < BrainDamage> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZkH054sPIEg/V9uTm8sYH4I/AAAAAAAAJS4/KhToYfaoOGUlgFLqQ8-JOeWj_McEEguIgCJoC/w506-h419/16%2B-%2B1
2017-01-22T00:36:22 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-22T00:37:22 < upgrdman> that's an old apple laptop
2017-01-22T00:38:03 < upgrdman> no
2017-01-22T00:38:11 < upgrdman> no headphone jack
2017-01-22T00:38:13 < upgrdman> fuck that
2017-01-22T00:38:20 < upgrdman> also iOS == super homo
2017-01-22T00:38:26 < ReadError> no way
2017-01-22T00:38:32 < ReadError> iOS is awesome
2017-01-22T00:38:40 < ReadError> androids are fucking garbage. period.
2017-01-22T00:38:54 < upgrdman> no bro
2017-01-22T00:39:00 < upgrdman> try a high end android
2017-01-22T00:39:02 < upgrdman> like note7
2017-01-22T00:39:13 < ReadError> i have a nexus
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2017-01-22T00:39:23 < ReadError> ive had other android phones
2017-01-22T00:39:27 < ReadError> they all sucked ass
2017-01-22T00:39:31 < ReadError> software is trash
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2017-01-22T00:39:38 < ReadError> battery life complete shit
2017-01-22T00:39:39 < Laurenceb_> accurate :  https://media.8ch.net/file_store/d7b218422c6ea64ba9b6ec4f0b58e72fb64affdff8c46764722a5ba9b71b8701.png
2017-01-22T00:39:40 < upgrdman> pretty happy with my note5. no lag ever.
2017-01-22T00:39:43 < BrainDamage> computers were a mitake
2017-01-22T00:39:48 < upgrdman> just wish it had uSD slot
2017-01-22T00:39:48 < BrainDamage> mistake*
2017-01-22T00:39:52 < ReadError> on EVERY android
2017-01-22T00:39:57 < ReadError> battery wont last
2017-01-22T00:40:06 < ReadError> iphone is a champ with battery
2017-01-22T00:40:07 < Laurenceb_> phones suck, I have an ancient nokia
2017-01-22T00:40:54 < Laurenceb_> HELO R2COM
2017-01-22T00:40:59 < ReadError> iphones are very fluid
2017-01-22T00:41:04 < ReadError> they type better
2017-01-22T00:41:06 < ReadError> even
2017-01-22T00:41:33 < ReadError> interface is intuitive and easy
2017-01-22T00:41:40 < ReadError> you just doubletap home
2017-01-22T00:41:46 < ReadError> and slide left/right
2017-01-22T00:42:40 < ReadError> you can 3d touch it
2017-01-22T00:42:41 < ReadError> and do w/e
2017-01-22T00:42:44 < ReadError> copy it
2017-01-22T00:42:46 < ReadError> or dial
2017-01-22T00:43:02 < ReadError> 3d touch is pressure sens 
2017-01-22T00:43:08 < ReadError> so hard vs softies
2017-01-22T00:50:31 < ReadError> once you go iphone u dont go back
2017-01-22T00:53:16 < ReadError> pretty sure they can run iOS 10 yes
2017-01-22T00:53:29 < ReadError> no need to dick with retarded aftermarket stuff
2017-01-22T00:55:21 < ReadError> haha
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2017-01-22T01:09:14 < Steffanx> But people with older device (always) complain about performance issues when running newest ios..
2017-01-22T01:10:05 < Steffanx> Also there are limits. Not ALL  devices can run most recent version. They do draw a line somewhere.
2017-01-22T01:13:16 < Steffanx> Oh i dont know. Dont own an iphone.
2017-01-22T01:14:19 < Steffanx> When you look at ios 10. They only support iphone 5 and up. Where the iphone 5 is like 4.5 years old
2017-01-22T01:14:51 < Steffanx> You own a phone longer thsn that?
2017-01-22T01:14:54 < Steffanx> Than
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2017-01-22T01:29:28 < ReadError> iphone has no reboot button
2017-01-22T01:29:31 < ReadError> android does
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2017-01-22T01:49:17 < zyp> how about just not driving it to distortion?
2017-01-22T01:57:27 < zyp> LeelooMinai, haha
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2017-01-22T02:19:07 < Laurenceb_> lul hackaday has gone troll
2017-01-22T02:19:09 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/01/21/remote-controlling-a-dog/
2017-01-22T02:22:53 < upgrdman> speaking of R2audiophool shit, i wonder if any pro speaker have like temp sensor on the voice coil for AmazeChartacterization and wanker charting
2017-01-22T02:27:23 < jadew> upgrdman, sounds like a good kickstarter project
2017-01-22T02:27:48 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-22T02:28:01 < upgrdman> and i can port my opengl telemetry view to chart that shit at 4k60
2017-01-22T02:28:10 < upgrdman> rename it to WankerCharts(tm)
2017-01-22T02:30:00 < BrainDamage> please, do you think that's wankery?
2017-01-22T02:30:08 < BrainDamage> http://www.lessloss.com/firewall-module-p-216.html
2017-01-22T02:30:12 < BrainDamage> this is wankery
2017-01-22T02:30:36 < BrainDamage> "no caps, no coils" it just violates physics so magic it is
2017-01-22T02:31:27 < jadew> it's ingenious because you can sell many to the same idiot
2017-01-22T02:32:27 < BrainDamage> 178$ for the psu
2017-01-22T02:32:33 < BrainDamage> 350 for the usb
2017-01-22T02:33:04 < BrainDamage> yup
2017-01-22T02:33:21 < BrainDamage> yes, it's literally a piece of shit iron
2017-01-22T02:33:33 < jadew> and probably poorly matched data pairs
2017-01-22T02:33:40 < jadew> that's how they get the high frequency filtering
2017-01-22T02:34:05 < BrainDamage> data? it's an analogue filter
2017-01-22T02:34:13 < jadew> for USB, no? :)
2017-01-22T02:34:17 < BrainDamage> oh, that one
2017-01-22T02:34:23 < BrainDamage> yeah
2017-01-22T02:34:35 < jadew> they take the differential lines apart and they get filtering :P
2017-01-22T02:34:36 < BrainDamage> there' usb and power line
2017-01-22T02:34:54 < jadew> less high frequency content gets through
2017-01-22T02:35:01 < jadew> yeah haha
2017-01-22T02:35:18 < BrainDamage> the power line is an outright scam
2017-01-22T02:35:31 < BrainDamage> because it literally filters nothing for tens of MHz
2017-01-22T02:35:53 < BrainDamage> well, the usb one does something, grantede, it's a retardd way to get it
2017-01-22T02:35:53 < jadew> well, it's not like the USB thing is less of a scam
2017-01-22T02:36:14 < BrainDamage> actually
2017-01-22T02:36:17 < BrainDamage> nvm
2017-01-22T02:36:28 < BrainDamage> splitting the diff pairs will actually make it radiate MORE
2017-01-22T02:37:17 < BrainDamage> too bad they removed the "blackbody conditioner"
2017-01-22T02:37:23 < BrainDamage> a 1k$ box
2017-01-22T02:37:29 < BrainDamage> empty
2017-01-22T02:37:30 < jadew> lol
2017-01-22T02:37:44 < jadew> weren't some guys selling some stones
2017-01-22T02:37:59 < BrainDamage> coconut audio
2017-01-22T02:38:26 < BrainDamage> I always tougt they were tongue in the cheek irony
2017-01-22T02:38:33 < BrainDamage> turned out to be serious
2017-01-22T02:38:34 < BrainDamage> mfw
2017-01-22T02:39:04 < BrainDamage> http://www.audiophile.rocks/best.html
2017-01-22T02:39:21 < BrainDamage> http://www.audiophile.rocks/sata.html
2017-01-22T02:39:27 < BrainDamage> seriously, I don't even
2017-01-22T02:40:10 < BrainDamage> they sell stones too ofc
2017-01-22T02:40:11 < BrainDamage> http://www.audiophile.rocks/bluecrystalpyramid.html
2017-01-22T02:40:35 < jadew> I should get in this business
2017-01-22T02:40:42 < jadew> audio filtering triangles
2017-01-22T02:40:52 < HorizonSet> Make anything, as long as it's expensive, it'll sell. 
2017-01-22T02:42:13 < HorizonSet> "...black body radiation emitted by the equipment. This results in the lowest noise floor possible"
2017-01-22T02:42:17 < HorizonSet> k
2017-01-22T02:42:23 < BrainDamage> fuckyes, I found it: http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
2017-01-22T02:42:55 < BrainDamage> this is not normal quakery, this is advanced insanity
2017-01-22T02:43:03 < jadew> "While 90 degrees angle reflect waves in the same direction from which they came, triangular shapes trap waves of a wavelength X times bigger than the triangle. We have designed these triangles specifically for the audiophile market, to deliver a crisp and high frequency free audio experience."
2017-01-22T02:43:14  * jadew buys audiotriangles.com
2017-01-22T02:43:26 < HorizonSet> That is pants-on-head retarded. 
2017-01-22T02:43:34 < Laurenceb_> thats a troll right?
2017-01-22T02:43:37 < Laurenceb_> right...
2017-01-22T02:43:41 < BrainDamage> nope
2017-01-22T02:43:50 < jadew> the box or the triangles?
2017-01-22T02:44:11 < jadew> I see they did that already
2017-01-22T02:44:16 < jadew> my triangles are superior
2017-01-22T02:44:27 < jadew> and I can say that their box is shit, cuz it has 90 degrees angles
2017-01-22T02:44:47 < jadew> in fact, I should write a review and say just that :P
2017-01-22T02:45:07 < HorizonSet> Thats for sympathetic refactoring in the frequency domain. Don't you know anything about audio?
2017-01-22T02:45:24 < jadew> haha
2017-01-22T02:46:12 < jadew> switching my time tracker from idle to work
2017-01-22T02:46:57 < jadew> "we reship them up to 200 times if they get lost in the mail"
2017-01-22T02:47:11 < jadew> ok... switching to work
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2017-01-22T03:10:01 < upgrdman> got most of my DFT visualizations ironed out, time to polish them up a bit and do another retarduino youtube video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX2cHBBWEB0
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2017-01-22T03:16:01 < PeterM> fuck my scrollback is filled with shit
2017-01-22T03:16:14 < dongs> lol
2017-01-22T03:16:29 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-01-22T03:16:55 < PeterM> i hope these people brush their teeth before they go out in public, with th eamount of bullshit they're spouting
2017-01-22T03:16:56 < dongs> zyp, dual row shit? probly
2017-01-22T03:17:41 < zyp> not very important, just a pal proposing some project
2017-01-22T03:18:00 < dongs> wha tabout hdmi headset?
2017-01-22T03:18:14 < zyp> you have one?
2017-01-22T03:18:22 < dongs> you mean vr trash? yeah
2017-01-22T03:18:30 < dongs> since like last december or someshit?
2017-01-22T03:18:30 < zyp> oh
2017-01-22T03:18:35 < zyp> haha
2017-01-22T03:18:48 < zyp> I read headset as in earphones
2017-01-22T03:18:57 < dongs> yeah no
2017-01-22T03:19:01 < zyp> was wondering why the fuck would anybody make hdmi earphones
2017-01-22T03:19:09 < zyp> I mean, hdmi can transport audio, but why
2017-01-22T03:19:59 < zyp> maybe for that ultra HD 4k sound
2017-01-22T03:20:04 < upgrdman> hmm would hdmi be the cheapest way to get digital audio to audiophool headphones?
2017-01-22T03:20:10 < zyp> no
2017-01-22T03:20:14 < zyp> spdif
2017-01-22T03:20:18 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-22T03:20:22 < zyp> or usb even
2017-01-22T03:20:26 < upgrdman> oh ya
2017-01-22T03:20:30 < upgrdman> forgot usb can do it
2017-01-22T03:21:56 < zyp> dongs, any news on those arcins?
2017-01-22T03:23:12 < dongs> boards ordered but parts werent so after china shutdown
2017-01-22T03:23:21 < zyp> fuck
2017-01-22T03:23:40 < zyp> was hoping to get it in before that
2017-01-22T03:23:43 < dongs> chiangirl took an early vacation this year i think real chinashit starts next week only
2017-01-22T03:24:26 < zyp> hmm, guess that means anything else will have to wait too
2017-01-22T03:24:33 < zyp> including that EV shit
2017-01-22T03:25:34 < dongs> why?
2017-01-22T03:25:37 < dongs> oh right
2017-01-22T03:25:40 < dongs> EV shit only mouser stuff arrived
2017-01-22T03:25:46 < dongs> whatever extra you added
2017-01-22T03:25:56 < zyp> yes, I haven't even given you a BOM for the rest yet
2017-01-22T03:26:33 < zyp> oh well, guess that means I'm not in a hurry to finish it up
2017-01-22T03:26:48 < zyp> when's china back online?
2017-01-22T03:26:57 < HorizonSet> ~feb 5
2017-01-22T03:26:59 < dongs> dont know but im also gone feb1-8th so after that
2017-01-22T03:27:22 < zyp> okay, that's not too bad
2017-01-22T03:28:10 < zyp> can probably finish top board and do that along with bottom board then
2017-01-22T03:28:28 < zyp> and then middle board whenever there's some 4L shit
2017-01-22T03:29:06 < zyp> I'll do that FFC breakout shit as well so I can hook top and bottom boards to waveshare board meanwhile
2017-01-22T03:32:24 < dongs> https://www.instagram.com/p/BPiD7YIDkw3/ ahaha
2017-01-22T03:38:27 < jadew> another thing about linux is that DNS lookups fail constantly
2017-01-22T03:38:33 < jadew> I don't understand what's going on
2017-01-22T03:38:44 < jadew> same domain, I access it 10 times in a row, it fails once
2017-01-22T03:39:01 < dongs> why would lunix evne be involevd in dns lookups/
2017-01-22T03:39:07 < dongs> thats your shitty routers job, no?
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2017-01-22T03:39:48 < jadew> dongs, I don't know how it happens, but windows works fine
2017-01-22T03:39:56 < jadew> same goes for all my other devices
2017-01-22T03:40:11 < jadew> maybe they try a couple of times before they give up?
2017-01-22T03:40:19 < jadew> DNS queries happen over UDP
2017-01-22T03:40:25 < jadew> which you know... fails sometimes
2017-01-22T03:40:40 < jadew> I expect the OS to take care of that tho
2017-01-22T03:41:57 < dongs> you should be using google dns shit on router and your desktops/clients should be using router's DNS server for caching local lookups etc.
2017-01-22T03:42:11 < jadew> what was that chick doing? (the one that ran into that pole"
2017-01-22T03:42:20 < jadew> )
2017-01-22T03:42:32 < dongs> im gonna guess, running out the door
2017-01-22T03:43:21 < jadew> yeah, but what was going on there? why were they cheering?
2017-01-22T03:43:32 < jadew> also, it must have been the first person to go through there
2017-01-22T03:43:41 < jadew> because that door is a freaking trap
2017-01-22T03:44:34 < englishman> lol that video
2017-01-22T03:45:02 < jadew> it's a good lesson
2017-01-22T03:45:14 < jadew> for us, I mean
2017-01-22T03:45:33 < jadew> I'm sure she would have preferred not to learn it
2017-01-22T03:46:00 < englishman> yes im going to invest in streamers next time i find some double doors like that
2017-01-22T03:46:24 < jadew> haha
2017-01-22T03:47:14 < jadew> I actually took a pole just like that
2017-01-22T03:47:20 < jadew> I still have the sign, above my eye
2017-01-22T03:48:30 < jadew> but it was in the open, I just didn't see it, cuz I was chasing someone who I thought swore at me
2017-01-22T03:48:49 < jadew> he was from a different region of the country and I didn't understand what he said
2017-01-22T03:48:58 < jadew> and after he said it a couple of times he ran away
2017-01-22T03:49:09 < jadew> I assumed he said something nasty so I started chasing him
2017-01-22T03:49:24 < jadew> turned out he asked me if I was a girl lol
2017-01-22T03:49:35 < zyp> so are you a girl?
2017-01-22T03:49:43 < jadew> obviously not
2017-01-22T03:49:46 < zyp> aww
2017-01-22T03:49:48 < fenugrec> this is IRC
2017-01-22T03:49:51 < fenugrec> nobody is a girl
2017-01-22T03:49:54 < englishman> its the internet, we'll never know for sure
2017-01-22T03:50:21 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I was chasing that guy and hit the pole with my face, no breaks
2017-01-22T03:50:34 < jadew> just like the chick in the vertical video
2017-01-22T03:50:46 < jadew> (at least they filmed the entire pole)
2017-01-22T03:51:24 < englishman> can you do it again and get it on video?
2017-01-22T03:51:42 < zyp> I remember I hit a classmate with a door once
2017-01-22T03:51:48 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I had something similar happening to me
2017-01-22T03:52:08 < zyp> I said or did something that upset him, and ran away, and he ran after me
2017-01-22T03:52:15 < jadew> running at night, I hit a small tree that some cut at the precise height of my balls :D
2017-01-22T03:52:35 < zyp> so I went through the door and pulled it closed after me, and he went face first right into the edge of the door
2017-01-22T03:52:45 < jadew> there was a bit of blood, but nothing serious
2017-01-22T03:53:04 < jadew> haha
2017-01-22T03:53:34 < jadew> zyp, ouch
2017-01-22T03:53:45 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-22T03:53:51 < jadew> something similar happened to me too, but a bit worse
2017-01-22T03:54:09 < zyp> luckily that gave me a pretty good head start, because it made him really enraged :p
2017-01-22T03:54:31 < jadew> I was chasing some kid that swore at me (this time he actually did it cuz I was understanding him) and he was running towards the entrance in a building, which had a metal door that wasn't fully open
2017-01-22T03:54:43 < jadew> he slept on the stairs and went head first into the edge
2017-01-22T03:54:57 < jadew> his dad had to come in and carry him
2017-01-22T03:55:06 < zyp> slipped.
2017-01-22T03:55:06 < jadew> (to the hospital)
2017-01-22T03:55:24 < jadew> I haven't seen them since, but I don't think anything happened to him
2017-01-22T03:55:34 < zyp> (took me a while to figure out how he would be sleeping)
2017-01-22T03:55:45 < jadew> ah, slipped, yeah
2017-01-22T03:55:48 < jadew> thanks
2017-01-22T03:55:49 < jadew> hehe
2017-01-22T03:56:12 < jadew> I was super scared
2017-01-22T03:56:34 < jadew> but tbh, I saw that danger before it happened
2017-01-22T03:56:47 < zyp> how come everybody is swearing at you?
2017-01-22T03:57:06 < jadew> well, as I was saying before, the other guy didn't, I just thought he did :P
2017-01-22T03:57:12 < zyp> and how come you care? :p
2017-01-22T03:57:14 < jadew> I grew up in a shitty neighbourhood
2017-01-22T03:57:44 < jadew> I mean... we were unattended all the time so we did a lot of crap
2017-01-22T03:58:19 < jadew> once I threw a brick at some guy, hoping to scare him (don't know what kind of argument we were having), hit him right in the head
2017-01-22T03:58:44 < jadew> I didn't even think I can throw that far
2017-01-22T03:59:17 < zyp> I threw a heavy lump of ice once, hit one of my sister's friends right in the head
2017-01-22T03:59:29 < zyp> didn't even mean to
2017-01-22T03:59:40 < jadew> yeah, I didn't mean to either
2017-01-22T03:59:47 < jadew> I wanted to throw it around him
2017-01-22T04:00:19 < jadew> tell us :D
2017-01-22T04:01:28 < zyp> man, now you guys are making me remember all the stupid shit I did as a kid
2017-01-22T04:02:44 < zyp> once the school had us go apologize for throwing milk at nearby houses
2017-01-22T04:03:26 < zyp> I didn't do it, but they got me for motivating the others to do it :p
2017-01-22T04:03:48 < zyp> heh
2017-01-22T04:04:45 < zyp> I remember once I were with some guys on a roof, throwing potted plants down on a road
2017-01-22T04:05:08 < zyp> that was not my idea
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2017-01-22T04:05:15 < jadew> LeelooMinai, lol, yeah, you win
2017-01-22T04:05:37 < jadew> zyp, hehe
2017-01-22T04:05:45 < jadew> man... childhood is dangerous
2017-01-22T04:05:50 < zyp> true
2017-01-22T04:06:46 < zyp> we also used to go dumpster diving at the local recycling center
2017-01-22T04:07:02 < zyp> then they fenced the entire area, so we figured out where we could crawl under it
2017-01-22T04:07:35 < zyp> then they put up an alarm, which we tripped a ton of times until we figured out the detection areas
2017-01-22T04:08:54 < jadew> I know that one, I paused it before it happened
2017-01-22T04:10:09 < dongs> let's stm32 discussion
2017-01-22T04:10:22 < zyp> dongs, what? you haven't done anything stupid as a kid?
2017-01-22T04:11:34 < englishman> hey dongs, why does ftdi suck so much
2017-01-22T04:11:56 < englishman> usb-serial is literally the only thing they do and they suck at it
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2017-01-22T04:12:21 < zyp> seems like they all do, tbh
2017-01-22T04:12:24 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isfn4OxCPQs
2017-01-22T04:14:05 < jadew> I'm neither fat nor short
2017-01-22T04:14:37 < jadew> but I am weird looking, so tall and skinny
2017-01-22T04:21:12 < jadew> the bully in that video is going to get chased by this forever
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2017-01-22T04:21:30 < jadew> for one he's going to be "the guy who got beat up by that fat guy"
2017-01-22T04:21:49 < jadew> and second, he's going to always remember that all the internet cheered when they saw the video
2017-01-22T04:23:35 < dongs> lol @ vid
2017-01-22T04:23:45 < dongs> what did he think was gonna happen anyway
2017-01-22T04:24:57 < dongs> oh wow.
2017-01-22T04:24:59 < dongs> did chrome remove extensions.
2017-01-22T04:25:15 < dongs> ah not yet
2017-01-22T04:25:19 < dongs> i started it without my extenral drive
2017-01-22T04:26:32 < Laurenceb_> donald@unaffiliated/presidenttrump
2017-01-22T04:26:52 < Laurenceb_> he is among us
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2017-01-22T04:30:41 < dongs> any mass shootings since turmp bceame prez
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2017-01-22T04:46:54 < dongs> jsoft: ive used uart with tx only or rx only, no issues.
2017-01-22T04:47:37 < zyp> dongs, did you try setting baudrate with GPIOx_BRR? :)
2017-01-22T04:47:48 < dongs> is that waht he did?
2017-01-22T04:48:00 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-22T04:48:05 < dongs> well ok
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2017-01-22T05:04:43 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/SSD-impersonation-SATA-SSD-device/ uhh
2017-01-22T05:06:42 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/PCB-Design-for-Smartphone/ ahaha
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2017-01-22T05:10:58 < jadew> lol
2017-01-22T05:11:24 < jadew> and he got 5 bids
2017-01-22T05:11:24 < dongs> 2nd like is awesome, ialready did all teh hard work, now i just need some shitty pcb done for $150
2017-01-22T05:12:08 < jadew> I've seen that chinese guy before
2017-01-22T05:12:14 < jadew> does he bid on everything?
2017-01-22T05:12:33 < dongs> no im surprised he bid on this
2017-01-22T05:12:44 < dongs> and his pricing is reasonable-ish for chinese
2017-01-22T05:12:52 < jadew> can you see how much he bid?
2017-01-22T05:13:00 < dongs> highfliercnr? way too low for tha proj
2017-01-22T05:13:01 < dongs> like $150
2017-01-22T05:13:06 < jadew> heh
2017-01-22T05:13:25 < jadew> he probably has a PCB that fits
2017-01-22T05:13:33 < dongs> missing 2 zeros at least
2017-01-22T05:13:39 < dongs> heh, right
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2017-01-22T05:14:10 < jadew> the first one is interesting
2017-01-22T05:14:28 < jadew> but it's worth more
2017-01-22T05:14:51 < dongs> FPGA and better hope they only need 1.5gbps sata
2017-01-22T05:20:51 < dongs> http://sssslide.com/www.slideshare.net/miyox/fpgax-20130604
2017-01-22T05:20:52 < dongs> page 28
2017-01-22T05:20:57 < dongs> l;ooks like some jap tried to do something similar
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2017-01-22T05:23:10 < dongs> but ya thats a lot more expensive than theyre willingh to spend
2017-01-22T05:23:20 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/HflTRHG.jpg
2017-01-22T05:23:43 < dongs> whats this, some hipster startup toilet
2017-01-22T05:23:46 < aandrew> so you can have a chat while you poop
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2017-01-22T05:31:41 < jadew> it's hard to make sense of it
2017-01-22T05:31:42 < jadew> could be at a public restaurant
2017-01-22T05:31:42 < jadew> so it has to cater for handicapped people too
2017-01-22T05:31:42 < jadew> and possibly for people accompanying them (the chair and the table)
2017-01-22T05:31:42 < jadew> the blackboard could be for the cleaners, to write the time when they last cleaned it
2017-01-22T05:31:42 < jadew> judging by the flowers, they're a cheap place, they didn't want to invest in an deodorizer
2017-01-22T05:31:48 < dongs> quit mkaing emeb ragequit
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2017-01-22T05:37:05 < dongs> ~autism~
2017-01-22T05:38:35 < jadew> I was kidding with the last line
2017-01-22T05:38:40 < jadew> they're obviously classy
2017-01-22T05:38:46 < aandrew> I bought knockoff sharpies once
2017-01-22T05:39:03 < aandrew> identical in every wya but they said "Sharfie"
2017-01-22T05:39:32 < jadew> didn't know sharpie was a brand
2017-01-22T05:39:44 < dongs> shartie
2017-01-22T05:40:25 < ohsix> sup
2017-01-22T05:40:30 < jadew> that reminded me of this: http://www.jenniferheller.com/v3/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/shitbegone.png
2017-01-22T05:40:36 < ReadError> do they still not sell sharpies in yapland?
2017-01-22T05:41:21 < aandrew> lol shitbegone
2017-01-22T05:41:27 < aandrew> was that your pic? in .ro? or just online
2017-01-22T05:41:34 < jadew> just online
2017-01-22T05:41:43 < jadew> probably some american brand
2017-01-22T05:41:48 < aandrew> I'd totally buy shitbegone brand toilet paper
2017-01-22T05:41:55 < jadew> me too
2017-01-22T05:42:38 < aandrew> damn, can't find it on amazon, ebay or even aliexpress
2017-01-22T05:42:46 < aandrew> wtf good is the intenet if I can't buy shitbegone toilet paper
2017-01-22T05:43:13 < jadew> http://geekologie.com/2008/09/18/3-ply.jpg
2017-01-22T05:43:40 < aandrew> god damn 
2017-01-22T05:43:41 < aandrew> eww
2017-01-22T05:43:54 < dongs> lold
2017-01-22T05:44:17 < aandrew> which reminds me of http://i.imgur.com/L4ft8Et.png
2017-01-22T05:44:29 < aandrew> every time I see that I think of a guy dongs and I know in another chan
2017-01-22T05:44:39 < aandrew> in fact I'd be truly disappointed if it wasn't him
2017-01-22T05:44:47 < dongs> is that ragemaxis
2017-01-22T05:45:02 < dongs> or who is that other dude youre thinking
2017-01-22T05:45:27 < aandrew> hahahahaha
2017-01-22T05:45:29 < aandrew> no not rage
2017-01-22T05:45:30 < aandrew> quaz
2017-01-22T05:45:33 < dongs> oh that
2017-01-22T05:45:36 < dongs> lol lol lol
2017-01-22T05:45:54 < ReadError> hai guys, im turning 30 this week 
2017-01-22T05:45:58 < ReadError> my life is almost over
2017-01-22T05:46:02 < aandrew> ReadError: you're a fucking baby
2017-01-22T05:46:06 < aandrew> I'm 41 this year
2017-01-22T05:46:20 < ReadError> i can now call myself an oldfag
2017-01-22T05:46:20 < jadew> I've been 30, 2 years ago
2017-01-22T05:46:27 < ReadError> officially
2017-01-22T05:46:45 < aandrew> tbh though around 30/31 somewhere I had this weird little brain thing
2017-01-22T05:46:45 < jadew> eh, not yet
2017-01-22T05:46:56 < aandrew> it was like a whole other section of my brain came online
2017-01-22T05:47:00 < aandrew> hard to describe
2017-01-22T05:47:04 < aandrew> but it was like whoa, this is nice
2017-01-22T05:47:12 < jadew> I had that too
2017-01-22T05:47:19 < jadew> at around 30
2017-01-22T05:47:24 < jadew> after 30
2017-01-22T05:47:29 < aandrew> could think more clearly, could evaluate situations so much easier, it was awesome
2017-01-22T05:47:46 < jadew> I also got hit by a wave of "want to learn more"
2017-01-22T05:47:50 < aandrew> yep
2017-01-22T05:48:21 < ReadError> hmm interesting
2017-01-22T05:48:28 < dongs> < jadew> I also got hit by a wave of "want to learn more"
2017-01-22T05:48:32 < dongs> so you went and installed lunix on desktop
2017-01-22T05:48:33 < dongs> congrats.
2017-01-22T05:48:55 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/exStnGK.png haha
2017-01-22T05:48:59 < jadew> haha, this is not part of that
2017-01-22T05:49:22 < aandrew> actually I *stopped* using linux on desktop around that age, mid 30s
2017-01-22T05:49:41 < dongs> i stopped way earlier
2017-01-22T05:49:42 < jadew> you decided life is too short?
2017-01-22T05:49:43 < dongs> i tihnk around win98se came out
2017-01-22T05:49:53 < ReadError> aandrew: get that pro?
2017-01-22T05:49:56 < aandrew> nah I think I just got tired of trying to work aorund the issues
2017-01-22T05:50:03 < aandrew> bought a mac, never looked back
2017-01-22T05:50:11 < aandrew> still use linux all the time but not as a desktop
2017-01-22T05:50:19 < jadew> thanks for making me think of big black dicks
2017-01-22T05:50:23 < aandrew> ReadError: eh?
2017-01-22T05:50:38 < ReadError> that key i posted is universal 
2017-01-22T05:50:41 < ReadError> fusion 
2017-01-22T05:50:47 < aandrew> oh
2017-01-22T05:50:53 < aandrew> yeah I saw that, didn't install though
2017-01-22T05:51:03 < ReadError> dont think its a new install
2017-01-22T05:51:06 < aandrew> I have a legit license, I dind't want to risk it
2017-01-22T05:51:06 < ReadError> just diff key
2017-01-22T05:51:07 < jadew> wait, sounds like free software
2017-01-22T05:51:10 < jadew> what are you talking about?
2017-01-22T05:51:23 < ReadError> vmware fusion pro
2017-01-22T05:51:27 < jadew> ah
2017-01-22T05:52:04 < jadew> I use hyper-v
2017-01-22T05:52:07 < jadew> free
2017-01-22T05:52:16 < ReadError> on osx ? :)
2017-01-22T05:52:48 < dongs> pretty sure only fags use osx
2017-01-22T06:00:42 < ReadError> maybe
2017-01-22T06:01:41 < dongs> holy shit
2017-01-22T06:01:51 < dongs> freecancer app finally added back custom sound selection for chat messages
2017-01-22T06:02:32 < upgrdman> dongs, do you do much work for freelaner etc, or just troll them?
2017-01-22T06:02:56 < dongs> got a few nice ongoing projects that keep generating $, otherwise just trolling
2017-01-22T06:03:04 < upgrdman> cool
2017-01-22T06:03:54 < ReadError> i just realized
2017-01-22T06:04:01 < ReadError> ive been on irc for 18 years 
2017-01-22T06:04:01 < ReadError> ;x
2017-01-22T06:05:01 < upgrdman> imagine all of the lost productivity
2017-01-22T06:05:33 < upgrdman> hmm. i think i started EFnet'ing in 2002 or 2003. so im at 14 years. damn.
2017-01-22T06:06:01 < ReadError> 11:05:48 PM <NickServ> Information on ReadError (account ReadError):
2017-01-22T06:06:01 < ReadError> 11:05:49 PM <NickServ> Registered : Jul 06 00:46:12 2004 (12y 29w 0d ago)
2017-01-22T06:06:04 < dongs> i heard about WTC from my irc pals
2017-01-22T06:06:35 < ReadError> but this wasnt my original stomping ground
2017-01-22T06:07:00 < upgrdman> -NickServ- Information on upgrdman (account upgrdman):
2017-01-22T06:07:00 < upgrdman> -NickServ- Registered : Aug 30 06:36:24 2003 (13y 21w 1d ago)
2017-01-22T06:07:03 < upgrdman> heh, neat
2017-01-22T06:07:29 < jadew> I'm new to freenode
2017-01-22T06:07:31 < ReadError> oldschool
2017-01-22T06:08:06 < jadew> only 7 years
2017-01-22T06:08:19 < upgrdman> just a wee lad
2017-01-22T06:10:22 < fenugrec> heh, just turned 10  " Registered : Nov 29 03:25:54 2006 (10y 8w 1d ago) "
2017-01-22T06:19:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> Apr 14 02:50:30 2009 (7y 40w 5d ago) Sounds about right, I first installed linux around then
2017-01-22T06:19:19 < dongs> i ahvent been trolling on feenode long enough
2017-01-22T06:22:57 < ohsix> sup
2017-01-22T06:23:08 < ohsix> i'm not even going to say how long i've been doing it
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2017-01-22T06:31:07 < ohsix> with hot internet ladies
2017-01-22T06:31:16 < ohsix> .sb end
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2017-01-22T06:37:23 < ohsix> the cd i burnt my mirc backup to when i stopped using it says 1998 on it :<
2017-01-22T06:37:44 < ohsix> such teen
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2017-01-22T07:20:27 < ohsix> ReadError: lul fireman ted ... and i was going to make a joke about how they would ruin it, but he mentioned johnsonville brats before i even started typing
2017-01-22T07:25:45 < ReadError> i like that ep
2017-01-22T07:25:47 < ReadError> liked
2017-01-22T07:27:19 < ohsix> yea it's working out p. good
2017-01-22T07:27:36 < ohsix> carl dressed up is cute
2017-01-22T07:28:17 < ohsix> now they just need to get randy quaid
2017-01-22T07:29:01 < ohsix> david quaid has that dum ass dog movie out, kind of cool he's in this
2017-01-22T07:33:05 < ohsix> heheh people are selling 'bad' imei/esn phones on ebay like they don't know what that means
2017-01-22T07:37:48 < ohsix> ReadError: yea this is p. good, like i've said i'm usually waiting to see how they ruin it
2017-01-22T07:38:26 < ReadError> anders with the golfballs lol, didnt see that coming 
2017-01-22T07:39:39 < ReadError> R2COM most def is
2017-01-22T07:42:07 < ReadError> https://scontent.fsnc1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16195335_956865857747654_2248337974693983522_n.jpg?oh=13303ab6cef48ab91e1910bcae18c05c&oe=591A8630
2017-01-22T07:42:14 < ReadError> truff
2017-01-22T07:42:27 < ohsix> yea that is good
2017-01-22T07:42:35 < ohsix> that b plot about sub/dom suxed
2017-01-22T07:42:53 < ohsix> carl at the end just going 'heh weed' then running into the carts is way better than a carls' jr ad
2017-01-22T07:44:00 < ReadError> did you see their complaining vid already?
2017-01-22T07:44:05 < ReadError> not even made it a day
2017-01-22T07:44:10 < ReadError> before finger pointing and crying
2017-01-22T07:45:34 < upgrdman> bottom picture looks whiter. whiter is better ;) j/k
2017-01-22T07:46:19 < ReadError> sounded like a huge crybaby at that presscon
2017-01-22T07:46:45 < upgrdman> trump sounds like a crybaby. period.
2017-01-22T07:47:09 < upgrdman> i hope so
2017-01-22T07:47:25 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i never loved him. but hillary would have been worse.
2017-01-22T07:47:40 < ReadError> trump sounds like someone that isnt going to last a full term :)
2017-01-22T07:47:51 < upgrdman> JFK-style?
2017-01-22T07:47:55 < ReadError> eh nah
2017-01-22T07:47:58 < ReadError> probably removed
2017-01-22T07:48:28 < upgrdman> lol
2017-01-22T07:48:52 < upgrdman> and we share a border with you.
2017-01-22T07:49:02 < upgrdman> better keep your people in check.
2017-01-22T07:49:13 < upgrdman> before we annex you.
2017-01-22T07:49:22 < upgrdman> yes
2017-01-22T07:51:21 < upgrdman> "we'll trade with canada if you exterminate all of your polish M2F irc peepz"
2017-01-22T07:51:41 < upgrdman> R2COM, leelooman
2017-01-22T07:53:04 < upgrdman> R2COM, there some picks on her photofuckit.
2017-01-22T07:53:08 < upgrdman> pics*
2017-01-22T07:53:24 < ohsix> uno wat
2017-01-22T07:53:40 < ohsix> actually nm
2017-01-22T07:53:46 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol wut
2017-01-22T07:56:20 < ReadError> R2COM: hes already fucked all of his supporters over pretty nice
2017-01-22T07:56:30 < ReadError> drain the swamp he said
2017-01-22T07:56:33 < ReadError> wallstreet is bad
2017-01-22T07:56:43 < ReadError> he turned it into a cesspool 
2017-01-22T07:57:05 < ReadError> hardly 
2017-01-22T07:57:32 < upgrdman> R2COM, LOL. look at hillary's and barack's faces:  http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/?cnnApp
2017-01-22T07:57:52 < ReadError> maddog is cool
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2017-01-22T08:01:30 < ReadError> maddog is one of the only ones that didnt buy his way in 
2017-01-22T08:01:38 < ReadError> one of the few anyways
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2017-01-22T08:05:58 < ReadError> every time trump touched michelle
2017-01-22T08:06:02 < ohsix> upgrdman: was going to say something about there being enough talk
2017-01-22T08:06:03 < ReadError> i could feel how disgusted she was
2017-01-22T08:06:07 < ohsix> but that compounds the problem
2017-01-22T08:06:11 < ohsix> howru
2017-01-22T08:06:34 < ReadError> hes not typing..
2017-01-22T08:06:55 < stvn> welcome
2017-01-22T08:07:19 < ReadError> R2COM is full of shit
2017-01-22T08:07:35 < ReadError> thats a pm
2017-01-22T08:07:36 < ReadError> or notice
2017-01-22T08:07:39 < englishman> lol
2017-01-22T08:07:42 < stvn> LOL
2017-01-22T08:07:47 < englishman> how2irc
2017-01-22T08:07:47 < ReadError> hahah
2017-01-22T08:07:50 < ReadError> idiot
2017-01-22T08:07:57 < stvn> clearly he's not the only one who can't irc
2017-01-22T08:08:15 < englishman> maybe one day R2COM will learn to tie his shoes without tying them to each other
2017-01-22T08:08:38 < ReadError> bet he has those velcro joints
2017-01-22T08:08:44 < ReadError> like the tardy kids wear
2017-01-22T08:08:49 < ohsix> velcro
2017-01-22T08:09:02 < ohsix> now that i have money, the velco wallet i've had since i was like 11 looks pretty tacky
2017-01-22T08:09:04 < stvn> anyway get back to STM32 stuff before you get punished like me
2017-01-22T08:09:19 < ohsix> how do you punish a stvn
2017-01-22T08:09:38 < ReadError> ban evasion is part of the IRC game
2017-01-22T08:09:48 < ReadError> lvl2
2017-01-22T08:10:13 < ReadError> what did you do mr stvn ?
2017-01-22T08:10:37 < stvn> ReadError, i posted a picture of a sex toy
2017-01-22T08:10:45 < ReadError> on that thing lol
2017-01-22T08:11:01 < stvn> I am a horrible person.
2017-01-22T08:12:02 < ohsix> url?
2017-01-22T08:12:03 < ReadError> not everyone on freenode is cutout for the hardchatting lifestyle
2017-01-22T08:12:26 < ohsix> been busy
2017-01-22T08:13:58 < ReadError> nobody wants to hear a bunch of mouthbreathers 
2017-01-22T08:15:06 < ohsix> underclass under-foot
2017-01-22T08:15:10 < ohsix> walk walk walk
2017-01-22T08:42:33 < jsoft> mmmm pizza
2017-01-22T08:42:57 < jsoft> Had some thai today, lemon beef and stuffed mushroms. Deluxe
2017-01-22T09:26:03 < ReadError> some obscure CPU tho not worth wasting time
2017-01-22T09:26:53 < ReadError> yea but the fork will be dead shortly after launch 
2017-01-22T09:27:18 < ReadError> depending on someone to maintain it or doing it yourself, pfff
2017-01-22T09:27:31 < ReadError> rather get a x86 or 64 one
2017-01-22T09:27:31 < dongs> what stoner shit are you talkign about now
2017-01-22T09:27:33 < dongs> propeller?
2017-01-22T09:27:46 < dongs> oh risc-v or whatever
2017-01-22T09:27:49 < ReadError> http://hackaday.com/2017/01/21/a-motherboard-manufacturers-take-on-a-raspberry-pi-competitor/
2017-01-22T09:27:59 < ReadError> asus rpi shit
2017-01-22T09:28:13 < dongs> cockchip
2017-01-22T09:28:14 < dongs> useless
2017-01-22T09:28:17 < ReadError> right
2017-01-22T09:31:04 < ReadError>  dont see the point 
2017-01-22T09:31:09 < ReadError> 70$
2017-01-22T09:31:23 < ReadError> more expensive than rpi with worse support
2017-01-22T09:31:23 < dongs> boring shit. assdroid C2 is better htan this anyway.
2017-01-22T09:31:39 < ReadError> rather go fullblown atom or some shit at that point
2017-01-22T09:31:40 < stvn> stm32 is best
2017-01-22T09:32:06 < ReadError> saw this little things intel has on mooser the other day
2017-01-22T09:32:14 < ReadError> looked like a SO-DIMM iirc
2017-01-22T09:32:39 < ReadError> atom works fine 
2017-01-22T09:32:44 < ReadError> 64bit
2017-01-22T09:32:46 < ReadError> some
2017-01-22T09:33:03 < ReadError> maybe all, i know i have 64bit ones though 
2017-01-22T09:33:04 < dongs> who is autisming
2017-01-22T09:33:08 < ReadError> LeelooMinai
2017-01-22T09:33:10 < dongs> k
2017-01-22T09:33:12 < stvn> dongs, who do you think.
2017-01-22T09:33:22 < dongs> stvn: you asked me something but if orgot wat it was
2017-01-22T09:33:25 < dongs> and i dont wanna switch to that window
2017-01-22T09:33:29 < ReadError> 64bit ARM lol why
2017-01-22T09:33:32 < dongs> i think the answer was yes, but what was the question?
2017-01-22T09:33:46 < ReadError> dongs: he was trying to send out dickpicks earlier
2017-01-22T09:33:49 < ReadError> so uhh
2017-01-22T09:33:56 < ReadError> tread lightly 
2017-01-22T09:34:07 < dongs> oh
2017-01-22T09:34:09 < dongs> stvn: blogger.com
2017-01-22T09:34:11 < stvn> ty
2017-01-22T09:34:20 < dongs> thats what lunix.tv runs on
2017-01-22T09:34:21 < stvn> i'll give it a try
2017-01-22T09:34:22 < dongs> and tarduino.cc
2017-01-22T09:34:39 < ReadError> atom is great for lunixcnc 
2017-01-22T09:34:43 < ReadError> very low latency 
2017-01-22T09:35:04 < ReadError> easy to run fanless too
2017-01-22T09:35:19 < stvn> nice blogging
2017-01-22T09:36:33 < ReadError> the new celerons are pretty low latency too 
2017-01-22T09:39:13 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntk=P_MarCom&Ntt=136652333
2017-01-22T09:39:18 < ReadError> me joules
2017-01-22T09:39:29 < dongs> intel jew module
2017-01-22T09:39:31 < dongs> nobody uses that shit
2017-01-22T09:39:40 < dongs> not rageberry pinout, can fuckoff
2017-01-22T09:39:52 < ReadError> makes no attempt to be a rpi
2017-01-22T09:40:42 < ReadError> I wouldnt buy one, I said I would rather buy that than a 70$ bootleg rpi
2017-01-22T09:41:22 < ReadError> 159
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2017-01-22T09:47:23 < ohsix> lul
2017-01-22T09:47:45 < englishman> did you know Edison hardware won't read SD cards without "clock feedback" pin connected to actual sdcard pin? But also, documentation is not available, even under NDA? I guess that's why we don't hear about Edison that much
2017-01-22T09:47:52 < ohsix> someone i work with is going to do some shit around intel garbage cuz someone thinks intel might give them megabux
2017-01-22T09:48:51 < ohsix> unless they do give them megabux it's a real stupid idea
2017-01-22T09:49:12 < ohsix> it's medical/'iot' junk and they figure intel wants to do something in that segment
2017-01-22T09:49:22 < ohsix> even though intel is just failing it all around with that shti
2017-01-22T09:49:57 < dongs> but muh openness
2017-01-22T09:50:02 < dongs> much maker
2017-01-22T09:51:11 < ReadError> snapchat has to be the dumbest fucking app to actually use
2017-01-22T09:51:23 < ReadError> the interface and everything is just shit
2017-01-22T09:51:25 < ohsix> and use they do
2017-01-22T09:51:34 < ohsix> you can get dog ears bro
2017-01-22T09:51:35 < dongs> no wonder only dumb cunts use it???
2017-01-22T09:51:53 < dongs> I've never installed it or kikchat or whatever other modern wank meetup shit is
2017-01-22T09:52:00 < ReadError> you have to swipe left and right and up/down to navigate around it lol
2017-01-22T09:53:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/14hGClc.gifv wat
2017-01-22T09:53:59 < ohsix> wat
2017-01-22T09:53:59 < ReadError> wtf
2017-01-22T09:54:01 < ohsix> indeed
2017-01-22T09:54:04 < ReadError> i thought it was running in reverse
2017-01-22T09:54:07 < ReadError> but uhh
2017-01-22T09:54:11 < ohsix> no driver? it looks like it was going ok for a while
2017-01-22T09:54:16 < ohsix> what's the lighter supposed to be doing
2017-01-22T09:54:24 < ReadError> he pulled out handcuffs
2017-01-22T09:54:36 < ReadError> out of his pants?
2017-01-22T09:56:08 < ohsix> ReadError: have you seen 8 out of 10 cats does countdown
2017-01-22T09:56:11 < ohsix> it's p. keen
2017-01-22T09:56:26 < ReadError> wait did he break the handcuffs 
2017-01-22T09:56:30 < ReadError> i havent
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2017-01-22T09:56:45 < ohsix> lucky
2017-01-22T09:56:52 < ohsix> means you got a bunch to watch
2017-01-22T10:01:43 < dongs> readstoner, can vmware workstation forward pci device
2017-01-22T10:02:12 < ohsix> yes
2017-01-22T10:02:40 < dongs> VMware Workstation can't do PCI Passthrough.  The only VMware product which can do PCI Passthrough is ESXi, which is a host OS in its own right, i.e. you would remove Windows or Linux from the host machine and install ESXi in its place.
2017-01-22T10:02:44 < dongs> fuck
2017-01-22T10:02:56 < dongs> what desktop junk can
2017-01-22T10:03:44 < dongs> haha hyperv can
2017-01-22T10:04:13 < ohsix> kvm can
2017-01-22T10:04:49 < ohsix> chinese new year is coming up
2017-01-22T10:05:05 < ohsix> need to order a bunch of crap or face dead time with no ebay junk coming in
2017-01-22T10:06:08 < ReadError> dongs: no
2017-01-22T10:06:39 < ReadError> oh u found it already
2017-01-22T10:06:59 < dongs> ya :|
2017-01-22T10:07:05 < dongs> i need to passthrough a failwire card to lunix
2017-01-22T10:07:07 < dongs> damn
2017-01-22T10:07:18 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-22T10:07:21 < ReadError> well do it on esxi and use vmware workstation
2017-01-22T10:07:23 < ReadError> connect to server
2017-01-22T10:07:29 < ohsix> need dmar for firewire
2017-01-22T10:07:31 < ReadError> pretty much same speed
2017-01-22T10:07:38 < ReadError> over gbit
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2017-01-22T10:08:13 < ohsix> can't you redirect the connected device like usb?
2017-01-22T10:08:29 < ReadError> usb you can, not pci/pci-e
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2017-01-22T10:08:32 < ReadError> esxi can do it
2017-01-22T10:09:27 < ohsix> n
2017-01-22T10:09:31 < ohsix> the firewire device
2017-01-22T10:09:33 < ohsix> not the card
2017-01-22T10:09:47 < ohsix> with usb you don't switch over the root hub/card either
2017-01-22T10:09:55 < ReadError> it would have to have a windows driver
2017-01-22T10:10:38 < ReadError> and a virtualized controller for the guest
2017-01-22T10:10:56 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-22T10:11:13 < ohsix> does it not, for firewire
2017-01-22T10:11:35 < ReadError> idk who the hell uses firewire anymore
2017-01-22T10:11:37 < ohsix> there's also class junk, you don't add the device on the basis of the usb connection, but the block device (for usb-storage)
2017-01-22T10:11:51 < ohsix> huhuhu
2017-01-22T10:11:59 < ohsix> i have firewire on this laptop but nothing to plug in
2017-01-22T10:12:21 < ohsix> can't test
2017-01-22T10:13:27 < ReadError> need to find a firstgen ipod
2017-01-22T10:15:50 < dongs> its pcilynx that can sniff failwire packets
2017-01-22T10:15:57 < dongs> need for work stuff.
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2017-01-22T10:28:44 < ohsix> ReadError: beep sup
2017-01-22T10:29:00 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10x-Micro-Screw-Stepper-Motors-Miniature-2-phase-4-wire-step-motor-driver-CF-/272511958008?hash=item3f72fa7bf8:g:10gAAOSwo4pYQOXS what to do with
2017-01-22T10:29:22 < ReadError> worlds smallest laser engraver 
2017-01-22T10:29:39 < ohsix> hur
2017-01-22T10:29:48 < ohsix> you can make smaller, since you can use mirrors and shit for the laser
2017-01-22T10:30:16 < ohsix> that's too small to 3d print things for it
2017-01-22T10:30:22 < dongs> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/20/white-house-website-promotes-melania-trumps-modeling-and-jewelry-line/ lol i didnt know trumps wife was a mailorderb ride
2017-01-22T10:30:33 < ohsix> you could put it in an end effector robot thing or something, where it just slides it open/closed
2017-01-22T10:30:33 < ReadError> yup
2017-01-22T10:30:37 < ReadError> his 3rd wife ;)
2017-01-22T10:30:56 < dongs> did he kill the first 2?
2017-01-22T10:30:57 < ReadError> hes got an autsie son too
2017-01-22T10:31:09 < ReadError> cuz he decided it was a good idea to have a kid with 60 year old sperm
2017-01-22T10:31:16 < ohsix> nah dude
2017-01-22T10:31:18 < ohsix> vaccines
2017-01-22T10:31:30 < ReadError> but if you say that about his kid the lawyers come after you
2017-01-22T10:31:52 < ohsix> remember when mccain got attacked for having a black child
2017-01-22T10:32:01 < ReadError> lol no
2017-01-22T10:32:25 < ohsix> google it, it was on the crazynet and i only found out much later after people were talking about crazy shit that happened during the election
2017-01-22T10:33:06 < ohsix>  Voters were asked, "Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain…if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" This was no random slur. McCain was at the time campaigning with his dark-skinned daughter, Bridget, adopted from Bangladesh.
2017-01-22T10:33:32 < ohsix> the world being horrible is continuity
2017-01-22T10:35:02 < dongs> https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/is-trumps-wife-a-mail-order-bride/
2017-01-22T10:35:03 < dongs> haha
2017-01-22T10:35:18 < dongs> A Foreign Affair, says she received a call sometime around 1995 from the head office to help arrange a call between a female member Melanija, and A VIP client she only knew as Donald. Shortly after the call, Melanija asked to be removed as a member and to have her profile completely removed from the websites.
2017-01-22T10:35:31 < ReadError> shes like a robot too
2017-01-22T10:35:40 < ohsix> ok we're doing this
2017-01-22T10:35:51 < ohsix> did you see the gif of the obamas coming up the stairs
2017-01-22T10:35:56 < ReadError> nah
2017-01-22T10:36:16 < ohsix> barack waited by the car for michelle to join him
2017-01-22T10:36:30 < ohsix> trump just went upthe stairs and melania hadn't even got out of the car yet
2017-01-22T10:37:19 < ohsix> also huhuhuhu there was one going around about them talking to bob / elizabeth dole
2017-01-22T10:37:34 < ohsix> trump just tapped and ran, obama spoke to them and dole said he was a good man and some shit
2017-01-22T10:38:59 < ohsix> http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2016/10/donald-trump-leaves-melania-behind oh hahah this isn't a new thing
2017-01-22T10:39:19 < ohsix> i like how one of the photographers is looking at the car as he's going up the stairs
2017-01-22T10:39:44 < ohsix> fuck googling this shit is giving me browser aids
2017-01-22T10:41:07 < ohsix> ok holy dicks, i just went on twitter and a picture of what i was talking about is in the first 10 posts
2017-01-22T10:41:14 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/realphilhendrie/status/823078021657595904
2017-01-22T10:41:47 < ReadError> lol
2017-01-22T10:41:57 < ohsix> ... and someone talking about the original post too https://twitter.com/nafsika71/status/822808971077632002
2017-01-22T10:42:01 < ohsix> weird
2017-01-22T10:46:09 < ohsix> i need ideas for cheap crap to order yo
2017-01-22T10:46:19 < ohsix> oh, diode/transistor/zener kits
2017-01-22T10:46:32 < ohsix> i ordered 'uv' lights, i'll be excited if they are :D
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2017-01-22T10:56:20 < ohsix> ReadError: do you have one of those 853d clones
2017-01-22T10:56:30 < ohsix> i gotta take the case off one of the ones we have
2017-01-22T10:56:37 < ohsix> give it a good peep
2017-01-22T10:56:57 < ohsix> what i'm wondering is if there is an adjustment for the temperature readout to compensate for errors
2017-01-22T10:57:14 < ohsix> (if you use a tip measurement temperature device, to 'calibrate' it)
2017-01-22T11:02:04 < ohsix> tired, buh
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2017-01-22T11:03:35 < ReadError> 853 no
2017-01-22T11:31:08 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/nB2JbS85.html fuck isnt there less retarded way to write this
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2017-01-22T12:30:52 < zyp> dongs, sure it is
2017-01-22T12:31:48 < zyp> return __CTZ(Mask);
2017-01-22T12:31:50 < zyp> or something
2017-01-22T12:31:55 < dongs> heh
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2017-01-22T12:37:27 < Kliment> The pinnacle of modern technology https://hackaday.com/2017/01/21/remote-controlling-a-dog/
2017-01-22T12:40:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PHD6DAk.gifv lol
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2017-01-22T13:00:06 < ReadError> so gangsta
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2017-01-22T13:06:35 < ReadError> ^___^
2017-01-22T13:06:36 < ReadError> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/MSI-MSI-X99A-GODLIKE-GAMING-CARBON-Diablo-super-God-board-computer-motherboard/2800041_32774209984.html
2017-01-22T13:06:39 < ReadError> w.t.f.
2017-01-22T13:06:57 < dongs> lol, X99 is so fucking ancient
2017-01-22T13:07:04 < dongs> its hilarious that intel still hasnt released any new socket 2011 shit
2017-01-22T13:07:08 < dongs> they keep pumping same old trash
2017-01-22T13:07:29 < ReadError> hm they had the 2011v3 stuff after the kikelake
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2017-01-22T13:07:39 < dongs> yes but no new chipset
2017-01-22T13:07:43 < dongs> X99 doesnt even fucking have USB3
2017-01-22T13:07:44 < dongs> thats how old it is
2017-01-22T13:07:50 < dongs> they have to use external shit hooked up to pch
2017-01-22T13:07:52 < dongs> to get usb3 ports.
2017-01-22T13:08:01 < ReadError> yea it does
2017-01-22T13:08:05 < ReadError> oh ya
2017-01-22T13:08:07 < ReadError> maybe 
2017-01-22T13:08:34 < ReadError> but almost 1000$ shits retarded
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2017-01-22T13:09:36 < dongs> thats g amer shit for  you
2017-01-22T13:09:43 < dongs> R2COM would probly purchase it without blinking
2017-01-22T13:10:22 < ReadError> probably gonna replace his mouse usb wire with oxygenfree gold plated unicorn spunk infused wire
2017-01-22T13:10:29 < ReadError> to get that extra 1/100th of a ms 
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2017-01-22T13:16:55 < ReadError> had this di.fm trap station on for 24hr straight 
2017-01-22T13:17:06 < ReadError> too lazy to go change
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2017-01-22T14:40:57 < PeterM> why did noone tell me gabe the dog died? a.cust.bahnhof.se) has joined ##stm32 RIP
2017-01-22T14:41:06 < PeterM> why did noone tell me gabe the dog died? RIP
2017-01-22T14:43:30 < PeterM> http://boards.4chan.org/wsg/thread/1503544
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2017-01-22T14:51:43 < ReadError> lol
2017-01-22T14:51:54 < ReadError> Laurenceb caught slippin again
2017-01-22T14:52:08 < ReadError> gdamn kids these days
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2017-01-22T15:32:19 < PeterM> LeelooMinai R2COM http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1485006656897.webm 
2017-01-22T15:34:44 < BrainDamage> we need to lock those 2 in a small studio apartment and live stream it
2017-01-22T15:35:27 < BrainDamage> it'll either end up as romantic comedy or a gory murder, quite the commercial success
2017-01-22T15:36:25 < PeterM> LeelooMinai R2COM this is for you too again http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1485007950871.webm 
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2017-01-22T16:00:51 < dongs> fuck
2017-01-22T16:00:58 < dongs> mouse in my toaster
2017-01-22T16:01:07 < dongs> bread popped out and i keep hearing fucking  rustling noises
2017-01-22T16:01:17 < dongs> look inside and fucker is running around on the bottom
2017-01-22T16:02:44 < Steffanx> lol.
2017-01-22T16:07:36 < dongs> PeterM: is that cassetboy
2017-01-22T16:07:40 < dongs> or just 4chan trolling
2017-01-22T16:07:45 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh_Og-MjWZI = cassetboy
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2017-01-22T16:14:34 < PeterM> 4chin trolling
2017-01-22T16:15:15 < PeterM> im  familliar with cassetteboy, hes good.
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2017-01-22T16:37:34 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72yhjIRlu9k
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2017-01-22T17:37:09 < dongs> PaulFertser: does openocd work wiht cortex v8 (64bit? cortex-a trash)
2017-01-22T17:48:53 < psprint_> Feel so ignored by ST, for them answering why HAL_NVIC_EnableIRQ() blocks execution must be as easy as 2+2, but no answer
2017-01-22T17:51:03 < fenugrec> psprint_ what do you mean "blocks execution"... and have you looked at its implementation
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2017-01-22T18:00:02 < psprint_> fenugrec: step over runs forever: https://i.stack.imgur.com/lXrsh.png
2017-01-22T18:01:39 < fenugrec> well since it's Inline and you're not looking at raw asm, hard to say what's going on
2017-01-22T18:02:07 < fenugrec> but usually stepping and interrupts don't go well together. try setting a bp before / after the call and letting it run instead of singlesteppign
2017-01-22T18:02:28 < psprint_> it's an assignment line, what more could assembly reveal
2017-01-22T18:02:49 < psprint_> I did run without breakpoints and them paused, it's sitting there in the HAL_NVIC_* call
2017-01-22T18:04:25 < Thorn> maybe the IRQ is already asserted when you enable the interrupt and you don't clear it properly in the handler
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2017-01-22T18:04:48 < Thorn> then it will forever reenter the handler
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2017-01-22T18:06:15 < fenugrec> " what more could assembly reveal " - view the actual ISER register before, and after the modification. Seems relevant to me
2017-01-22T18:08:13 < psprint_> Thorn: the diode would blink forever, and I can toggle it down with User Button (that button invokes the interrupt that's being enabled, so seems the interrupt itself works fine)
2017-01-22T18:10:24 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/5bf1d2bfb2215bbed8ad716279e623d55eb9c8849af280918ee60ec58518e626.jpg
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2017-01-22T18:13:04 < Laurenceb_> oh dear https://media.8ch.net/file_store/3b41002b3fa7e76c142e5f518faf0b47a81073a00c1b1c33b063e8be61611237.gif
2017-01-22T18:13:28 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_:  try /topic
2017-01-22T18:14:54 < Laurenceb_> sorry
2017-01-22T18:15:36 < Steffanx> No, you're not :p
2017-01-22T18:18:13 < psprint_> How to output to Eclise's console?
2017-01-22T18:20:17 < dongs> don't.
2017-01-22T18:20:22 < dongs> printf debugging is for fags.
2017-01-22T18:22:54 < psprint_> dongs: want to see output of Hard Fault handler
2017-01-22T18:22:59 < aandrew> everyone knows LED debugging is the pro tool
2017-01-22T18:23:24 < psprint_> aandrew: received 16x32 rgb led matrix yesterday, could use it ;)
2017-01-22T18:23:33 < psprint_> s/16x32/32x16/
2017-01-22T18:23:38 < aandrew> that's a lot of debugging :-)
2017-01-22T18:23:59 < aandrew> "ok now what the fuck did I use row 3, col 12 to indicate when it's blinking with a strobe pattern?
2017-01-22T18:26:00 < Thorn> you can output a register per row. just like blinkenlights of the past
2017-01-22T18:29:05 < fenugrec> or just, you know, write to a RAM variable that you can then read from the debugger
2017-01-22T18:29:39 < Thorn> not make:r friendly
2017-01-22T18:29:50 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ2sSRBMPqs
2017-01-22T18:36:44 < psprint_> can anyone check on F767 if following code will get stuck in HAL_NVIC_EnableIRQ() call? https://github.com/psprint/CubeEmpty
2017-01-22T18:38:39 < ReadError> clr it fgt
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2017-01-22T19:15:49 < psprint_> Some guy does clearing of LPC_I2S->I2SIRQ and that helps him, what would be this for GPIO EXTI https://developer.mbed.org/questions/247/TLV320-hang-up-in-audiostart/
2017-01-22T19:23:24 < dongs> obviosuly not
2017-01-22T19:37:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ze6SeKx.jpg
2017-01-22T19:42:36 < dongs> http://bbs.dailystormer.com/uploads/default/original/3X/1/0/10afcf845e8686795dba80abff0bed4662f7b4d0.jpg
2017-01-22T19:46:37 < ReadError> meirl
2017-01-22T19:56:33 < zyp> psprint_, have you tried reading the reference manual?
2017-01-22T19:57:37 < aandrew> bleh
2017-01-22T19:57:42 < aandrew> gotta fiind a simple tiny snmp lib
2017-01-22T19:58:31 < fenugrec> zyp using cube dispenses you from reading the RM, no ?
2017-01-22T19:58:44 < zyp> fenugrec, yeah, I see how well that's working
2017-01-22T19:59:23 < zyp> so anyway, on a hardware level, an EXTI sets EXTI_PR when triggered, and it's rc_w1, meaning it has to be manually cleared
2017-01-22T19:59:57 < zyp> so I'm guessing psprint_ is not calling whatever cube function is responsible for doing that
2017-01-22T20:02:19 < englishman> im not sure why this is a question: It hangs in NVIC_EnableIRQ(I2S_IRQn). What happens inside this function?
2017-01-22T20:02:29 < englishman> like why not open the .c in hal and check?
2017-01-22T20:02:37 < englishman> or check the .chm manual for even more info?
2017-01-22T20:02:54 < zyp> it's a trick question
2017-01-22T20:02:57 < englishman> which chip is this again, F7?
2017-01-22T20:03:12 < zyp> the function simply sets a bit in the NVIC
2017-01-22T20:03:27 < englishman> its a macro?
2017-01-22T20:03:39 < zyp> the problem is that the NVIC diverts execution before the function is able to return
2017-01-22T20:04:09 < zyp> since enabling the interrupt that's pending is triggering the ISR to handle it
2017-01-22T20:04:36 < englishman> but he said the interrupt "works" ?
2017-01-22T20:04:39 < zyp> and since it never gets cleared, it gets stuck in a loop of the ISR re-triggering
2017-01-22T20:04:43 < englishman> so the interrupt is firing and returning?
2017-01-22T20:04:55 < englishman> did he post his interrupt code?
2017-01-22T20:04:57 < fenugrec> most likely
2017-01-22T20:04:59 < zyp> firing, doing whatever it does, returning, then re-firing immediately
2017-01-22T20:05:12 < englishman> yeah thats normal if you dont clear the flag
2017-01-22T20:05:22 < englishman> but wasnt he told this like 3 times?
2017-01-22T20:05:25 < englishman> in last 12h?
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2017-01-22T20:05:32 < ReadError> over the past 3 days lul
2017-01-22T20:05:52 < englishman> i dont see any interrupt code anyway
2017-01-22T20:06:13 < zyp> I haven't seen any code either, so I'm just going by the symptoms
2017-01-22T20:06:16 < ReadError> i gave him a link to working example code for f7
2017-01-22T20:06:22 < englishman> and the snippet he pasted is pretty useless
2017-01-22T20:06:24 < ReadError> 'i did it, doesnt work'
2017-01-22T20:06:30 < englishman> where the github
2017-01-22T20:06:36 < englishman> he cant possibly be working on nda shit
2017-01-22T20:06:42 < englishman> so should be no prob
2017-01-22T20:06:51 < zyp> this is a classic case of not working through the problem in a systematic manner
2017-01-22T20:07:03 < ReadError> 11:36:44 AM <psprint_> can anyone check on F767 if following code will get stuck in HAL_NVIC_EnableIRQ() call? https://github.com/psprint/CubeEmpty
2017-01-22T20:07:26 < ReadError> lil cack wont even link you to the relevant parts
2017-01-22T20:07:28 < englishman> speaking of working thru problems
2017-01-22T20:07:29 < zyp> I looked at that, looks incomplete
2017-01-22T20:07:37 < zyp> I don't see the actual ISR in there
2017-01-22T20:07:42 < englishman> zyp: is a fjord necessarily made through glacial activity?
2017-01-22T20:07:55 < englishman> like is a sound made thru oceanic erosion not a fjord?
2017-01-22T20:07:56 < zyp> no, it's made by slartibartfast
2017-01-22T20:08:31 < englishman> that is not a norwegian word, that is a douglas adams character
2017-01-22T20:08:49 < Steffanx> https://github.com/psprint/CubeEmpty/blob/master/Src/stm32f7xx_it.c#L174 how is that no the isr zyp?
2017-01-22T20:09:05 < Steffanx> not*
2017-01-22T20:09:24 < zyp> Steffanx, it's just a wrapper, where's the function it calls?
2017-01-22T20:09:34 < Steffanx> ah, yeah.. 
2017-01-22T20:10:14 < ReadError> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/212194/stm32f7-gets-stuck-in-external-interrupt-callback-function
2017-01-22T20:10:22 < ReadError> i rink him that
2017-01-22T20:10:59 < englishman> st.com really needs to upgrade their webserver to H7
2017-01-22T20:11:03 < Thorn> https://github.com/psprint/CubeEmpty/blob/master/Src/main.c#L182
2017-01-22T20:11:33 < Steffanx> called from https://github.com/psprint/CubeEmpty/blob/master/Drivers/STM32F7xx_HAL_Driver/Src/stm32f7xx_hal_gpio.c#L500
2017-01-22T20:11:40 < Steffanx> such multi-person debugging :P
2017-01-22T20:11:52 < ReadError> its still never cleared?
2017-01-22T20:11:59 < englishman> __HAL_GPIO_EXTI_CLEAR_IT(GPIO_Pin);
2017-01-22T20:12:58 < Thorn> I bet on a hardfault which goes to while(1)
2017-01-22T20:13:01 < englishman> heh
2017-01-22T20:15:53 < zyp> that wouldn't leave the interrupt working
2017-01-22T20:18:42 < zyp> so, uh, is the EXTI block clocked so those registers can actually be written?
2017-01-22T20:20:09 < zyp> englishman, according to wikipedia «The use of the word fjord in Norwegian, Danish and Swedish is more general than in English and in international scientific terminology.»
2017-01-22T20:20:41 < zyp> englishman, so it depends on the language
2017-01-22T20:20:43 < englishman> mm, that's actually the reason i figured it was better to ask an actual nordic person
2017-01-22T20:20:56 < englishman> wikipedia was equally nebulous
2017-01-22T20:20:58 < englishman> in english
2017-01-22T20:20:58 < zyp> it's not like I've ever thought about that:p
2017-01-22T20:21:18 < englishman> isnt thinking about fjords the national pasttime.
2017-01-22T20:21:42 < zyp> not how they were made :p
2017-01-22T20:21:48 < englishman> hehe
2017-01-22T20:25:17 < zyp> apparently it's snowing horizontally today
2017-01-22T20:25:20 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/G8hqe.jpg
2017-01-22T20:25:33 < englishman> hmm thumb2 does have CLZ
2017-01-22T20:25:35 < englishman> so you were right
2017-01-22T20:25:51 < Steffanx> :)
2017-01-22T20:26:35 < englishman> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.qrc0001m/index.html
2017-01-22T20:29:11 < psprint_> 1/ I did __HAL_GPIO_EXTI_CLEAR_IT, HAL_NVIC_ClearPendingIRQ;  2/ Source is in main.c
2017-01-22T20:30:29 < englishman> not in m0+ tho
2017-01-22T20:31:42 < psprint_> I also did "diff -r ~/ST_Example ~/MyCode" and it's identical. I guess they tested (readme claims it's tested) on Nucleo-F767ZI and LED blinked, so they just released this to the public
2017-01-22T20:32:10 < psprint_> didn't do pause in debugger to see that the code is stuck in HAL_NVIC_EnableIRQ
2017-01-22T20:32:28 < Thorn> psprint_: does your device #define match your chip?
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2017-01-22T20:34:09 < psprint_> Thorn: hal_config doesn't have such, where to look?
2017-01-22T20:35:17 < Thorn> makefile or project config in your ide or whatever build system you're using
2017-01-22T20:36:58 < psprint_> there is STM32F767ZITx all over the place, looks correct
2017-01-22T20:38:42 < zyp> psprint_, you know what, I don't think your debugger is trustworthy
2017-01-22T20:39:20 < zyp> you might want to go over that before you spend more time following potentially false leads
2017-01-22T20:39:46 < ReadError> PEBKAC
2017-01-22T20:39:57 < psprint_> zyp: I need something distinct in main.c / while loop, to check if execution reached that loop
2017-01-22T20:40:09 < Thorn> blink a led
2017-01-22T20:41:10 < zyp> psprint_, are your code supposed to do anything after EnableIRQ?
2017-01-22T20:41:28 < zyp> or does it enter an infinite loop with an empty body immediately after?
2017-01-22T20:41:42 < psprint_> zyp: the second option
2017-01-22T20:41:54 < zyp> haha, okay
2017-01-22T20:42:07 < psprint_> that's why I think they released buggy example, because they didn't veryfy anything except led blinking
2017-01-22T20:42:19 < zyp> um
2017-01-22T20:42:38 < zyp> I'm not sure you understood my question correctly
2017-01-22T20:42:53 < zyp> let me put it this way: is your code supposed to do anything more after EnableIRQ?
2017-01-22T20:43:34 < zyp> no, judging by your code it's not
2017-01-22T20:43:34 < psprint_> I understood you correctly, except if you ask if there is interrupt routine – yes there is, and infinite loop in main.c
2017-01-22T20:43:40 < zyp> okay
2017-01-22T20:44:10 < zyp> so you're observing in the debugger that after enableirq nothing more happens, and nothing more is supposed to happen either
2017-01-22T20:44:18 < zyp> so exactly what is the problem?
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2017-01-22T20:44:49 < ReadError> where else would it stop?
2017-01-22T20:44:52 < psprint_> zyp: do you have anything to support the hidden thesis that you state: while loop in main is nothing
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2017-01-22T20:45:20 < psprint_> I added some int a=0; a++; once, now will add led blink
2017-01-22T20:45:37 < zyp> while(1) compiles to foo: b foo
2017-01-22T20:45:50 < Thorn> that can be optimized away unless a is volatile
2017-01-22T20:46:01 < zyp> what Thorn said
2017-01-22T20:46:09 < zyp> useless code gets thrown out by the compiler
2017-01-22T20:46:48 < Thorn> what are your compiler settings? -Og -g3 -ggdb or -O3?
2017-01-22T20:46:48 < psprint_> hmm
2017-01-22T20:46:48 < ReadError> why not just step through from the start 
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2017-01-22T20:46:51 < zyp> and if enableirq is inlined, it's not unreasonable that the b instruction gets blended into the enableirq instructions
2017-01-22T20:47:21 < zyp> you know, this is why people told you to look at the assembly instructions rather than the source
2017-01-22T20:48:21 < psprint_> THANKS! The missing volatile in  int x = 0; .... x ++; did cause the debugger to stop in while loop in main
2017-01-22T20:48:54 < zyp> well, it caused the while loop to actually contain something
2017-01-22T20:49:28 < ReadError> lol did he just waste 3 days on that ?
2017-01-22T20:49:43 < psprint_> yeah
2017-01-22T20:49:51 < psprint_> :) but I learned much
2017-01-22T20:49:58 < psprint_> better than instantly working example
2017-01-22T20:50:37 < zyp> the example has been working all along, you've just misunderstood what the debugger has been telling you
2017-01-22T20:50:42 < psprint_> I've included screenshot everybody was invited into this enlightenment of some sort ;)
2017-01-22T20:50:50 < ReadError> its not even an example is it?
2017-01-22T20:50:55 < ReadError> its just a template
2017-01-22T20:51:09 < psprint_> no, it's example, ~/STM32Cube/Repository/STM32Cube_FW_F7_V1.5.1/Projects/STM32F767ZI-Nucleo/Examples/GPIO/GPIO_EXTI
2017-01-22T20:51:21 < Thorn> you could have said that you learned a lot if you at least tried assembly level debugging
2017-01-22T20:51:30 < zyp> I agree with Thorn 
2017-01-22T20:51:53 < psprint_> I coded assembly when I was 12, on amiga, never forget the properly ordered arguments to move SRC DST
2017-01-22T20:51:55 < zyp> the real lession here is that it's not source code that executes on the chip, so stepping through source code can be very deceiving
2017-01-22T20:52:25 < ReadError> did u even try to just start it and press f5 until it breaks?
2017-01-22T20:52:31 < psprint_> zyp: ok, 
2017-01-22T20:52:49 < zyp> psprint_, you're in for a lot of fun then, because ARM is mov DST, SRC :)
2017-01-22T20:53:06 < psprint_> zyp: ok, I feel judged now, your attitude is fine, it's a lession lerned
2017-01-22T20:53:30 < psprint_> ReadError: did the stepping, the screen shot includes that
2017-01-22T20:53:43 < zyp> not judging you, just hoping you're taking away the right lessions from this
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2017-01-22T20:59:52 < englishman> i dono about opensores, but in keil when stepping thru the asm is always visible
2017-01-22T21:01:18 < Steffanx> Hows open sores clang in keil doing englishman?
2017-01-22T21:01:23 < Thorn> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98CRovQ6dkY
2017-01-22T21:01:26 < englishman> dono havent switched
2017-01-22T21:01:31 < englishman> timecube doesnt have the new cmsis anyway
2017-01-22T21:01:38 < englishman> :3
2017-01-22T21:01:42 < zyp> I don't know about eclipse, plain gdb gives me either view
2017-01-22T21:01:57 < englishman> gdb has a gui?
2017-01-22T21:02:03 < Steffanx> russians and their pets Thorn -_-
2017-01-22T21:02:04 < zyp> Steffanx, even dongs sounded happy about it, so it can't be that bad
2017-01-22T21:02:20 < englishman> Thorn: https://goo.gl/photos/ioT7BRGCd6iqF6CT9
2017-01-22T21:02:27 < zyp> englishman, well, plenty, but that weren't my point
2017-01-22T21:02:59 < Thorn> Steffanx: those people breed poisonous snakes, lynxes are just a hobby
2017-01-22T21:03:01 < Steffanx> Is your beer always cold englishman?
2017-01-22T21:03:04 < englishman> yes
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2017-01-22T21:18:08 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI3FlDs038I
2017-01-22T21:23:54 < PaulFertser> dongs: openocd has pending patches for aarch64 but they're not yet merged. Probably will be merged in a week or so.
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2017-01-22T21:39:17 < Laurenceb_> http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/756419/Big-Bang-not-true-man-abducted-by-aliens?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain
2017-01-22T21:39:21 < Laurenceb_> sounds legit
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2017-01-22T21:43:20 < Thorn> https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/193
2017-01-22T21:48:51 < englishman> hi Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-22T21:48:54 < englishman> found a pic of u
2017-01-22T21:48:55 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/74I7MBx.jpg
2017-01-22T21:49:54 < Laurenceb_> lul so after 2 years then
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2017-01-22T22:19:19 < ohsix> boop
2017-01-22T22:19:38 < Laurenceb_> heh htc vive design leaked
2017-01-22T22:19:39 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl2SiwJUYAAhd8l.jpg:large
2017-01-22T22:19:55 < Laurenceb_> or more liek reverse engineered
2017-01-22T22:23:24 < englishman> really?
2017-01-22T22:23:29 < englishman> so the hdmi input is just for show?
2017-01-22T22:23:41 < englishman> all that processing is done with LM358?
2017-01-22T22:23:45 < Steffanx> ^^ what i thought :P
2017-01-22T22:25:21 < ohsix> not a link trump
2017-01-22T22:26:19 < Steffanx> It's happy hour ohsix
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2017-01-22T23:15:37 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/NFBzd1bl.jpg
2017-01-22T23:21:21 < aandrew> haha
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2017-01-22T23:33:02 < Laurenceb_> http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/956936-ben-garrison
2017-01-22T23:44:43 < kakimir> hello Laurenceb_ 
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2017-01-22T23:57:01 < kakimir> I have a mouse in my room - it appears to eat my choclate
2017-01-22T23:57:26 < kakimir> I always thought it was some crumbles of pizza it eats
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2017-01-23T00:06:04 < englishman> you need a cat
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2017-01-23T00:08:41 < jadew> or you can outsmart him and make him leave on its own
2017-01-23T00:09:11 < kakimir> I changed the ch0clates to rum ones
2017-01-23T00:09:42 < kakimir> mouse took one and has not returned since
2017-01-23T00:09:42 < jadew> haha, good start
2017-01-23T00:10:22 < englishman> The family originates in Kallstadt in modern Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany. The first known person by the surname in Kallstadt, a lawyer called Hanns Drumpf, settled there in 1608.
2017-01-23T00:10:31 < englishman> huh so thats where the drumpf thing comes from
2017-01-23T00:10:34 < englishman> never understood that
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2017-01-23T00:13:18 < jadew> having that time tracking thing is stressing me out
2017-01-23T00:13:30 < jadew> turns out I'm spending a lot less time working than I thought I am
2017-01-23T00:13:39 < englishman> :)
2017-01-23T00:13:48 < englishman> what are you using?
2017-01-23T00:13:53 < englishman> harvestapp is nice but too much money
2017-01-23T00:14:07 < jadew> englishman, some simple app for linux, hamster
2017-01-23T00:14:28 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, IRC is a big problem too
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2017-01-23T00:18:07 < jadew> out of the time I tracked, I've slept 21 hours, I worked 9.2, I've spent 9.2 hours on IRC & other similar activities, 6 hours with the family, 3.1 hours fixing linux crap, 2.8 eating, 2.7 hours watching movies, 2 hours in the bathroom (shaving and showers included)
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2017-01-23T00:19:24 < jadew> what's that?>
2017-01-23T00:19:40 < BrainDamage> pick up the carp
2017-01-23T00:19:45 < jadew> ah, seize the day, yes I have :P
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2017-01-23T00:20:05  * jadew learned latin in school, as you can tell
2017-01-23T00:20:58 < jadew> well, I'm clearly not the most efficient hamster
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2017-01-23T00:22:10 < jadew> anyway, I know which areas have to be fixed
2017-01-23T00:22:20 < jadew> I have to shower less
2017-01-23T00:22:33 < jadew> no more movies
2017-01-23T00:22:55 < jadew> and less time with the family
2017-01-23T00:23:41 < jadew> right
2017-01-23T00:24:19 < jadew> the truth is that I don't have a good show to watch while coding and I'm a bit tired
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2017-01-23T00:24:39 < jadew> if I had that, programming would feel better than spending my time here
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2017-01-23T00:25:08 < jadew> yeah, I'm watching torchwood now and it's not as good as I remember it to be
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2017-01-23T00:54:20 < aandrew> jadew: I tend to watch rossmann while doing hardware, but I find it too distracting when doing software
2017-01-23T00:54:30 < aandrew> software seems to need good trance music
2017-01-23T00:54:31 < aandrew> at least for me
2017-01-23T00:57:52 < jadew> well, when I think about how to do it and decide on the design, I stop everything, but once I know what I have to do, I can have anything going in the background
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2017-01-23T01:07:19 < sync_> well LeelooMinai trolling on IRC is a good pasttime
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2017-01-23T01:10:00 < aandrew> she seems pretty untrollable
2017-01-23T01:14:28 < sync_> there is a comma missing in there ;)
2017-01-23T01:14:35 < sync_> maybe two
2017-01-23T01:15:10 < Fleck> "<aandrew> she seems pretty, untrollable" ?
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2017-01-23T01:15:11 < Fleck> :D
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2017-01-23T01:25:29 < ohsix> sup
2017-01-23T01:28:37 < ohsix> the dog does not give a single fuck about what a computer is
2017-01-23T01:35:11 < aandrew> cappuccino at 6pm??
2017-01-23T01:35:15 < aandrew> fuck that
2017-01-23T01:35:40 < aandrew> I've been taking other people's code and making android libs for it for a client
2017-01-23T01:35:48 < aandrew> very cool stuff, wish I understood it better
2017-01-23T01:35:56 < aandrew> magnetic dipole approximation
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2017-01-23T01:37:53 < aandrew> I did make a decent carbonara tonight though, first time
2017-01-23T01:38:17 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-23T01:38:19 < ReadError> I enjoy R2COM trolling 
2017-01-23T01:38:23 < ReadError> but its too easy ;(
2017-01-23T01:38:26 < ohsix> i did that once but the eggs broke
2017-01-23T01:38:48 < ohsix> when i was a newb, should try again
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2017-01-23T01:39:30 < aandrew> you need ot break the eggs
2017-01-23T01:51:49 < psprint_> huh the 16x32 rgb led matrix is hard to connect, I might gain from using Arduino protoshield with Nucleo, and use 16-pin dual row headers that I occassionally ordered https://learn.adafruit.com/32x16-32x32-rgb-led-matrix/connecting-using-a-proto-shield
2017-01-23T02:04:13 < psprint_> I want to know if DCMI is in conflict with the LED matrix. CubeMX says DCMI needs pins: PG9, PD3, PC9, PC8, PC7, PC6, PA6, PA4, PE6, PE5, PE4. While the matrix needs: GPIOC 3-15. Is there a conflict?
2017-01-23T02:17:04 < englishman> pretty clearly yeah
2017-01-23T02:17:18 < englishman> Pc6, pc7, pc8
2017-01-23T02:20:55 < psprint_> hmm so the "C" in PC is gpio peripheral? Sorry for such a basic question
2017-01-23T02:22:15 < psprint_> looks like B, F are free
2017-01-23T02:25:46 < Fleck> C is for PORT C
2017-01-23T02:28:27 < fenugrec> psprint_ seriously, have you so much as opened the ref manual, even once ?
2017-01-23T02:28:43 < fenugrec> the RM, not the datasheet
2017-01-23T02:33:28 < ohsix> oh shit
2017-01-23T02:34:34 < ohsix> psprint_: cube should be able to show you conflicts
2017-01-23T02:34:58 < ohsix> but yea, those letters (D/G/C) relate the pins to the alternate functions and junk
2017-01-23T02:35:59 < ohsix> and the pinout is in the rm
2017-01-23T02:41:24 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/m9TQL2K.jpg
2017-01-23T02:44:05 < Laurenceb_> compared to free tools
2017-01-23T02:44:13 < Laurenceb_> inb4 RMS
2017-01-23T02:49:08 < aandrew> there is no fucking benefit of Keil
2017-01-23T02:49:12 < aandrew> unless you're Keil, that is
2017-01-23T02:49:49 < boB_K7IQ> Which compiler does a better job ?  Keil or IAR ?
2017-01-23T02:50:03 < boB_K7IQ> size and speed
2017-01-23T02:50:13 < aandrew> try it and see
2017-01-23T02:50:22 < boB_K7IQ> Can't try Keil
2017-01-23T02:50:39 < boB_K7IQ> I think they do not want you to run benchmarks either
2017-01-23T02:51:49 < boB_K7IQ> How about benchmark comparisons of gcc and IAR or Keil ?
2017-01-23T02:51:59 < aandrew> boB_K7IQ: of course you can
2017-01-23T02:52:17 < aandrew> you call them up and day "I'm interested in giving you $4000, but I'd like to compare your code generation against what I can do for free, today."
2017-01-23T02:52:51 < boB_K7IQ> Well, I have heard rumors of about 20% size/speed differences
2017-01-23T02:53:10 < aandrew> I call bullshit for anything real world
2017-01-23T02:53:21 < boB_K7IQ> But just rumors.  I suppose I could check against gcc
2017-01-23T02:53:37 < aandrew> but again, unless you actually benchmark it yourself are you willing to spend the money on it?
2017-01-23T02:54:02 < boB_K7IQ> I use IAR so could check agains gcc I suppose....
2017-01-23T02:54:27 < boB_K7IQ> So, what is coming up for C++ 2017 ?
2017-01-23T02:54:46 < boB_K7IQ> That is the good thing about gcc. users.  Lots of them
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2017-01-23T02:58:05 < boB_K7IQ> Found a wee bit here...   http://www.raisonance.com/arm_benchmark.html
2017-01-23T03:00:54 < Laurenceb_> attn leeloo
2017-01-23T03:00:56 < Laurenceb_> https://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/joke/cpp.htm
2017-01-23T03:01:26 < Laurenceb_> aiui gcc has improved a lot recently
2017-01-23T03:03:26 < boB_K7IQ> Yes, kid of old.  IN that 2013 PDF, IAR/KEIL beats GNU pretty good for size but best speed goes to GNU I would say
2017-01-23T03:04:40 < boB_K7IQ> What was that pnd taken from ?  for size, the link I posted was better for size
2017-01-23T03:05:01 < boB_K7IQ> This is good stuff !
2017-01-23T03:05:21 < boB_K7IQ> raisonance
2017-01-23T03:07:10 < Laurenceb_> I just used rfprintf
2017-01-23T03:07:19 < Laurenceb_> or whatever the hell its called
2017-01-23T03:07:22 < Laurenceb_> printf.c
2017-01-23T03:07:27 < boB_K7IQ> I know that the printf makes quite a difference
2017-01-23T03:07:30 < Laurenceb_> its like 300 lines
2017-01-23T03:07:41 < Laurenceb_> and <1k
2017-01-23T03:07:58 < boB_K7IQ> Anyway, this has been an interest of mine but I haven't really looked until just now
2017-01-23T03:08:02 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats just stupid
2017-01-23T03:08:16 < Laurenceb_> although avr-gcc printf is quite small
2017-01-23T03:08:29 < boB_K7IQ> I always use minimum printf since I never use any printf for embedded apps.  Always roll my own
2017-01-23T03:08:55 < Laurenceb_> same here
2017-01-23T03:09:17 < boB_K7IQ> I knew that was an issue for IAR at least.  Never thought about it for anything else
2017-01-23T03:09:42 < boB_K7IQ> Would like to start using GCC/GNU...  Maybe now is the time
2017-01-23T03:09:59 < boB_K7IQ> I don't care for these big companies like IAR/Keil (ARM)
2017-01-23T03:10:05 < Laurenceb_> the RMS compels you
2017-01-23T03:10:07 < Laurenceb_> the RMS compels you
2017-01-23T03:10:15 < boB_K7IQ> RMS ?
2017-01-23T03:10:21 < boB_K7IQ> Root Mean Square ?
2017-01-23T03:10:45 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Richard_Stallman
2017-01-23T03:10:51 < boB_K7IQ> Oh, OK.
2017-01-23T03:11:05 < boB_K7IQ> He's got some very strange ideas.
2017-01-23T03:11:19 < boB_K7IQ>  He would never be able to work for a large company
2017-01-23T03:11:25 < boB_K7IQ> or even middle sized
2017-01-23T03:11:38 < jadew> lol, that time tracking program had a glitch and I was like "no shit, I did all this in only 53 minutes?" after it refreshed - 2 hours 40.
2017-01-23T03:12:04 < Laurenceb_> Tell GNU about your girlfriend and how alpha you are; Say that Stallman is a delusional coot
2017-01-23T03:12:07 < Laurenceb_> I lulld
2017-01-23T03:12:33 < jadew> LeelooMinai, going to use it one more day
2017-01-23T03:12:46 < jadew> I just needed to know for sure where I waste my time
2017-01-23T03:12:49 < jadew> apprently here
2017-01-23T03:12:54 < jadew> *apparently
2017-01-23T03:14:46 < jadew> I don't spend much time on that, it has an easy task switching mechanism
2017-01-23T03:14:58 < jadew> win + h, double click, that's it
2017-01-23T03:17:24 < jadew> dreamtube.com
2017-01-23T03:17:41 < jadew> seems someone bought it already
2017-01-23T03:17:47 < jadew> they're prepared
2017-01-23T03:18:12 < jadew> a couple of years back someone successfully extracted an image from someone's brain
2017-01-23T03:18:25 < jadew> crt, the guys who have the website are prepared
2017-01-23T03:19:10 < aandrew> extracting an image as in reading the optic nerve signals?
2017-01-23T03:20:12 < jadew> aandrew, no
2017-01-23T03:20:31 < jadew> they followed brain activity
2017-01-23T03:20:43 < jadew> I believe they went by blood influx
2017-01-23T03:21:01 < jadew> and they were able to get a big letter (the person was staring at a big letter)
2017-01-23T03:22:17 < jadew> this seems more advanced: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-video/8782271/Scientists-map-images-from-human-brain-for-first-time.html
2017-01-23T03:22:32 < jadew> https://www.nextnature.net/2008/12/scientists-extract-images-directly-from-brain/
2017-01-23T03:22:40 < jadew> this is the thing I know about
2017-01-23T03:23:40 < jadew> yeah :)
2017-01-23T03:24:19 < jadew> I be the army is all over this
2017-01-23T03:24:35 < jadew> can you imagine interrogating someone while hooked on that thing? :)
2017-01-23T03:25:09 < jadew> I think the tinfoil hat is interfering with the signal
2017-01-23T03:25:36 < jadew> or jammer
2017-01-23T03:25:48 < aandrew> I'm working with a company that does all kinds of brain mapping stuff
2017-01-23T03:26:14 < aandrew> https://www.synaptivemedical.com/
2017-01-23T03:26:19 < aandrew> why you're still where
2017-01-23T03:26:39 < aandrew> ah
2017-01-23T03:26:41 < aandrew> not sure
2017-01-23T03:26:43 < aandrew> https://www.synaptivemedical.com/solutions/
2017-01-23T03:26:45 < aandrew> it's funny
2017-01-23T03:26:56 < aandrew> the "guide" machine hs a little device across the top of the vertical pole
2017-01-23T03:27:07 < aandrew> tha'ts an NDI Vega, I helped develop that at a contract here in Waterloo
2017-01-23T03:27:21 < aandrew> and then I got a call from a friend at synaptive to work on their drive product
2017-01-23T03:27:31 < aandrew> no, not at all
2017-01-23T03:27:49 < aandrew> I was doing low level linux shit on the vega, all the actual 6D tracking was done by much, much smarter people
2017-01-23T03:28:05 < aandrew> and on the drive I'm just doing a power controller board, none of the actuators or anything truly amazing
2017-01-23T03:28:18 < aandrew> it's just weird how my contracts seem to chase each othe rlike that
2017-01-23T03:28:27 < aandrew> a few years back I was doing avionics, now medical imaging
2017-01-23T03:28:48 < aandrew> part of the NDI stuff is actually 6D tracking using electromagnetic fields, that is some amazing shit
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2017-01-23T03:29:29 < aandrew> it's fun for sure
2017-01-23T03:29:38 < aandrew> I consider myself incredibly lucky
2017-01-23T03:29:42 < upgrdman> ndi?
2017-01-23T03:29:58 < aandrew> northern digital: http://www.ndigital.com/
2017-01-23T03:30:21 < aandrew> actually if you're looking for work they're hiring like crazy
2017-01-23T03:30:25 < aandrew> really good company to work for
2017-01-23T03:30:40 < aandrew> no, canada. waterloo, ontario
2017-01-23T03:30:43 < aandrew> upgrdman is local to me
2017-01-23T03:31:14 < aandrew> yes
2017-01-23T03:31:24 < aandrew> I think 75% of the people in the waterloo office are fluent in german
2017-01-23T03:32:23 < aandrew> what's even stranger is that years before the avionics stuff I was hired by perceptron in michigan to do non-contact measurement
2017-01-23T03:32:31 < aandrew> NDI has a few perceptron devices
2017-01-23T03:32:36 < aandrew> although not the specifc one I worked on
2017-01-23T03:33:01 < upgrdman> im not in ON
2017-01-23T03:33:04 < upgrdman> im in so cal
2017-01-23T03:33:33 < aandrew> wtf
2017-01-23T03:33:48 < aandrew> I thought you were asking about local stencil vendors
2017-01-23T03:33:55 < aandrew> I've clearly got you mixed up with someone else
2017-01-23T03:34:02 < upgrdman> ya thats not me
2017-01-23T03:34:09 < upgrdman> englishbro is in .ca iirc
2017-01-23T03:34:16 < aandrew> ahh that's who it was
2017-01-23T03:34:44 < jadew> that's why we need pictures
2017-01-23T03:34:47 < aandrew> lol
2017-01-23T03:35:08 < aandrew> r2com woudl be a big hairy nutsack
2017-01-23T03:35:18 < aandrew> don't want to stare at that when idling here
2017-01-23T03:35:56 < jadew> I'd like it if we actually talked
2017-01-23T03:36:11 < jadew> would mean I could work while chatting
2017-01-23T03:36:48 < jadew> it's time for a new IRC
2017-01-23T03:36:56 < ohsix> make irc great again
2017-01-23T03:37:01 < aandrew> oh jesus fuck no
2017-01-23T03:37:05 < jadew> good slogan
2017-01-23T03:37:09 < aandrew> you want teamspeak
2017-01-23T03:37:11 < aandrew> fuck that shit
2017-01-23T03:38:18 < aandrew> I'm perfectly happy with how IRC is. 7-bit ASCII, no fucking emoticons or graphics of any kind, no sound, one fucking font... hell no keep audio the fuck out of it
2017-01-23T03:38:42 < ohsix> it's not ascii
2017-01-23T03:38:52 < ohsix> it has its' own character set that overlaps a bit with ascii
2017-01-23T03:38:53 < aandrew> yeah depends on your specific charset I guess
2017-01-23T03:39:02 < ohsix> where | is capital }
2017-01-23T03:39:04 < aandrew> but I can force it to 7-bit ascii if I want
2017-01-23T03:39:08 < jadew> 😁
2017-01-23T03:39:18 < aandrew> yep inverse diamond question mark, exactly how I want it
2017-01-23T03:39:24 < jadew> haha
2017-01-23T03:39:32 < upgrdman> dat sound http://streamable.com/6bl18
2017-01-23T03:39:52 < aandrew> ouch
2017-01-23T03:39:56 < aandrew> that looks like it hurt
2017-01-23T03:40:28 < boB_K7IQ> aandrew, you are doing some very cool stuff !
2017-01-23T03:40:38 < aandrew> I'm just ery lucky
2017-01-23T03:40:38 < ohsix> haha
2017-01-23T03:40:42 < ohsix> people crying
2017-01-23T03:40:51 < ohsix> those bars are removable too
2017-01-23T03:40:56 < ohsix> when you have both doors open
2017-01-23T03:41:07 < ohsix> 'are you ok'
2017-01-23T03:41:13 < aandrew> I got hired at 19 by a company run by a man who didn't see lack of education as an issue, so I got experience, and 13y later I could step out on my own and do whatever
2017-01-23T03:41:35 < ohsix> you probably weren't an idiot tho
2017-01-23T03:41:45 < ohsix> so lack of education wasn't as relevant
2017-01-23T03:41:48 < aandrew> very very rarely do I get the "oh you don't have a degree, we can't use you" -- occasionally I get a callback a few months later asking if I'm still availbale :-)
2017-01-23T03:42:02 < boB_K7IQ> Yes, "education" and degrees don't necessarily mean squat
2017-01-23T03:42:29 < ohsix> they mean you're in debt
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2017-01-23T03:42:41 < aandrew> I dunno, I've shifted my thoughts a bit on it
2017-01-23T03:42:50 < aandrew> I've got 6 kids between 21 and 4
2017-01-23T03:43:15 < Laurenceb_> dude you are passing on the autism genes
2017-01-23T03:43:16 < aandrew> and I pretty much look at it this way now: if you have a SPECIFIC love or desire to do $x and need a degree, go for it
2017-01-23T03:43:17 < ohsix> education is important for human reasons
2017-01-23T03:43:44 < aandrew> if you don't really know what you want (and this is not a bad thing) then learn a trade, any trade, and get a business diploma at community college
2017-01-23T03:44:04 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-01-23T03:44:23 < sync_> you got a child at 11 years old? wat
2017-01-23T03:44:29 < ohsix> that's trade school tho
2017-01-23T03:44:29 < aandrew> you will make good money doing kind of shitty work, and when you're too old to swing a hammer/turn a wrench, you will have enough experience and some basic accounting/business knowledge to hire a young punk to do the labour for you
2017-01-23T03:44:35 < aandrew> sync_: huh?
2017-01-23T03:44:48 < sync_> ah no
2017-01-23T03:44:49 < sync_> sorry :D
2017-01-23T03:44:51 < boB_K7IQ> AND have a passion for something you love to do !  If your passion can also make money, then it's not work
2017-01-23T03:44:52 < sync_> I misread
2017-01-23T03:45:00 < aandrew> I'm 41 this year, my wife's oldest son is 21 this year, she had him at 18
2017-01-23T03:45:01 < Laurenceb_> aandrew is prob oldest person on here
2017-01-23T03:45:06 < sync_> I was like boi, that would be early
2017-01-23T03:45:08 < Laurenceb_> ur wifes son
2017-01-23T03:45:13 < Laurenceb_> the memes are real
2017-01-23T03:45:21 < boB_K7IQ> Nope.  I'm 62
2017-01-23T03:45:22 < aandrew> yeah, she's got two from a previous relationship, I have two from a previous rlationship, we have two together
2017-01-23T03:45:39 < Laurenceb_> this channel is almost as old as #highaltitude :P
2017-01-23T03:45:48 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-01-23T03:46:00 < ohsix> highaltijude
2017-01-23T03:46:19 < aandrew> man I keep procrastinating on this SNMP client code
2017-01-23T03:46:25 < Laurenceb_> now ohsix is going /pol/
2017-01-23T03:46:29 < boB_K7IQ> :)
2017-01-23T03:46:40 < jadew> I went to #hamradio to feel young, but I guess I could have stayed here
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2017-01-23T03:46:57 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-23T03:47:03 < boB_K7IQ> :)
2017-01-23T03:47:05 < jadew> :)
2017-01-23T03:47:12 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: once violence happened i folded like a wee babe
2017-01-23T03:47:14 < aandrew> my dad's a ham. I thought it was cool but never got into it. my brohter did get his callsign though
2017-01-23T03:47:19 < jadew> I'm not that young anyway
2017-01-23T03:47:30 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: if it's over ax.25 they are
2017-01-23T03:47:31 < Laurenceb_> there is probably nobody younger than 80 on #hamradio
2017-01-23T03:47:35 < ohsix> punching nazis is somehow bad
2017-01-23T03:47:44 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: i know there's one person that isn't because i met him irl haha
2017-01-23T03:47:50 < jadew> Laurenceb_, lol
2017-01-23T03:47:56 < gxti> even hams don't care about ax25 anymore
2017-01-23T03:48:02 < jadew> there are young ham operators
2017-01-23T03:48:05 < ohsix> he did a switchable amplifier thing and presented it at a meat up
2017-01-23T03:48:06 < aandrew> my first real online presence was being a fidonet point off a ham radio bbs (modem, not radio)
2017-01-23T03:48:12 < jadew> personally I went there to learn about radio stuff
2017-01-23T03:48:22 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/Ezbx7T1.png
2017-01-23T03:48:31 < aandrew> I loved going through all my dad's old QST and ARRL handbooks
2017-01-23T03:48:35 < jadew> boB_K7IQ, are you a ham operator?
2017-01-23T03:48:39 < aandrew> then when I found his playboy stash I liked that even more
2017-01-23T03:49:03 < boB_K7IQ> Yes, K7IQ
2017-01-23T03:49:10 < gxti> he has a callsign in his nick... i think it's a pretty safe assumption
2017-01-23T03:49:28 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-23T03:49:33 < aandrew> my dad's VE3NEW
2017-01-23T03:49:39 < aandrew> I have no idea what my brother is. VA3something I'm sure
2017-01-23T03:49:52 < jadew> gxti, I didn't know for sure if it was a call sign
2017-01-23T03:49:59 < jadew> could have been his car license number
2017-01-23T03:49:59 < boB_K7IQ> Where in Canada ?
2017-01-23T03:50:06 < boB_K7IQ> Middle ?
2017-01-23T03:50:22 < gxti> i am also a ham. although i haven't transmitted much of anything in a few months. need a new project.
2017-01-23T03:50:26 < boB_K7IQ> I suppose the VE3 talls
2017-01-23T03:50:28 < boB_K7IQ> tells
2017-01-23T03:50:41 < aandrew> Ontario
2017-01-23T03:50:46 < jadew> LeelooMinai, my theory is that as we advance in age, we all turn ham operators
2017-01-23T03:50:55 < gxti> the 10m beacon worked but not as well as i'd liked, then i also met the disappointment of not being hard because it's 10m
2017-01-23T03:50:58 < aandrew> the only thing that turned me off of HAM was voice
2017-01-23T03:51:00 < gxti> heard*
2017-01-23T03:51:15 < aandrew> I don't like talking on the radio and I find it takes a lot of brain processing power to listen properly
2017-01-23T03:51:15 < jadew> haha
2017-01-23T03:51:16 < boB_K7IQ> I like CW
2017-01-23T03:51:31 < aandrew> packet radio was kind of cool but dad wasn't in to it
2017-01-23T03:51:45 < aandrew> and I also still hate him a little bit for making my brother and I dig the fucking base for his tower :-)
2017-01-23T03:51:58 < boB_K7IQ> Ugggg
2017-01-23T03:52:02 < jadew> I don't have a proper antenna, or a place to mount one, otherwise I'd get my ham license too
2017-01-23T03:52:12 < aandrew> jadew: you're in romania
2017-01-23T03:52:26 < boB_K7IQ> LOTS of noise in my neighborhood these days
2017-01-23T03:52:30 < jadew> so what? you think we don't need licenses? :)
2017-01-23T03:52:31 < aandrew> you could just connect the RF to one of your power lines and it'd be legal
2017-01-23T03:52:55 < aandrew> I was headed to romania this summer but it's gonna be too expensive for everyone to go
2017-01-23T03:53:06 < aandrew> so wife is going with two of the kids, I got the little boys at home with me for 3 weeks 
2017-01-23T03:53:09 < aandrew> looking forward to that
2017-01-23T03:53:13 < jadew> I could put my wire in a tree or something, but I'm sure the neighbours would have something to say about that
2017-01-23T03:53:31 < aandrew> jadew: yes, and you just say tu-dem pisda muti and that's that
2017-01-23T03:53:38 < jadew> aandrew, ah, so we won't get to meet, eh?
2017-01-23T03:53:44 < aandrew> jadew: not this year
2017-01-23T03:53:45 < jadew> you said you lived in CA?
2017-01-23T03:53:48 < aandrew> yes
2017-01-23T03:53:53 < ohsix> canada?
2017-01-23T03:53:55 < sync_> yeah aandrew, I'm pretty exhausted after squeezing out the rpt + number when doing airplane scatter for 24h
2017-01-23T03:54:08 < jadew> don't think I'll get there anytime soon
2017-01-23T03:54:28 < aandrew> one of my wife's nieces is getting married in august
2017-01-23T03:54:30 < ohsix> i'll be in ca this year for fucking around
2017-01-23T03:54:41 < aandrew> we're the "wealthy canadians" which is why we got an invite
2017-01-23T03:54:51 < aandrew> ohsix: nice, where are you going to be
2017-01-23T03:55:01 < sync_> one problem with NA and hamradio is that it is just so fucking hueg
2017-01-23T03:55:12 < aandrew> sync_: that's not a problem, it just means MOAR POWER
2017-01-23T03:55:16 < ohsix> sf but probably some other places
2017-01-23T03:55:22 < ohsix> , as well
2017-01-23T03:55:28 < aandrew> oh, not .ca but .ca.us
2017-01-23T03:55:31 < ohsix> ya
2017-01-23T03:55:39 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: probably
2017-01-23T03:55:42 < aandrew> oh
2017-01-23T03:55:44 < sync_> aandrew: doesn't help if you are doing stuff on 122GHz
2017-01-23T03:55:45 < aandrew> two richest canadians
2017-01-23T03:55:47 < aandrew> no, definitely not
2017-01-23T03:55:48 < ohsix> canada is closer though, but from wat i understand everything interesting is to the east, so real far
2017-01-23T03:55:58 < aandrew> sync_: 122GHz? wtf dude
2017-01-23T03:56:03 < aandrew> 1/4 wave is like what 3mm?
2017-01-23T03:56:26 < ohsix> population density is so low, gotta check it out sometime
2017-01-23T03:56:45 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-01-23T03:56:47 < aandrew> I fucking guessed
2017-01-23T03:56:52 < aandrew> it's 2.36mm
2017-01-23T03:57:27 < aandrew> ohsix: if you ever come to canada you will think it's just another US state if you stay within 100mi of the border
2017-01-23T03:57:33 < aandrew> much beyond that though and yes, it's very sparse
2017-01-23T03:57:47 < sync_> yes aandrew 
2017-01-23T03:57:58 < ohsix> why is the hp32s such megabux
2017-01-23T03:58:07 < ohsix> aandrew: ya word
2017-01-23T03:58:11 < aandrew> sync_: wtf are you doing at 122GHz?
2017-01-23T03:58:18 < aandrew> besides creating tiny tiny waves
2017-01-23T03:58:19 < sync_> talking to people
2017-01-23T03:58:24 < aandrew> at 122GHz?!
2017-01-23T03:58:26 < sync_> yes
2017-01-23T03:58:35 < aandrew> damn I can't imagine that equipment
2017-01-23T03:58:40 < aandrew> must be very ... geometric
2017-01-23T03:58:40 < sync_> https://www.darc.de/fileadmin/filemounts/gs/redaktion/DARC-Portal/2016/1608/1608_76GHz_DL_SM_DG5CST.jpg
2017-01-23T03:58:54 < aandrew> huh
2017-01-23T03:58:55 < aandrew> cool
2017-01-23T03:59:04 < sync_> https://www.darc.de/fileadmin/filemounts/gs/redaktion/DARC-Portal/2016/1608/1608_122GHz_OZ_DB6NT_SK7EYW.jpg
2017-01-23T03:59:23 < aandrew> I've never dont anything at anything close to that frequency before
2017-01-23T03:59:47 < aandrew> hardware design must be quite challenging, special substrates, super fine pitches, super clean boards...
2017-01-23T03:59:51 < sync_> nah
2017-01-23T03:59:53 < sync_> :D
2017-01-23T03:59:55 < sync_> neg LeelooMinai
2017-01-23T04:00:02 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: wouldn't talking to whales be ULF?
2017-01-23T04:00:04 < fenugrec> 3mm wavelength... so, anything like a raindrop starts being significant
2017-01-23T04:00:10 < sync_> aandrew: actually it is not
2017-01-23T04:00:22 < sync_> the most challenging thing is getting the mixer diode soldered
2017-01-23T04:00:30 < ohsix> wut http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-48GX-RPN-Expandable-Graphic-Calculator-128KB-RAM-48GX-/272007775538?hash=item3f54ed4532:g:fPEAAOSwQaJXS01C
2017-01-23T04:00:30 < fenugrec> what modulation are you using ? 
2017-01-23T04:00:31 < sync_> we're not making any power there so eh
2017-01-23T04:00:31 < aandrew> very neat
2017-01-23T04:00:38 < sync_> fenugrec: cw or ssb
2017-01-23T04:00:50 < fenugrec> ssb !! ok, mixer must be interesting
2017-01-23T04:00:53 < aandrew> I have been wanting ot play with phased arrays and such for seeing through walls with ultrasonics but no time for anything I want to do
2017-01-23T04:01:09 < sync_> fenugrec: moisture is important, if it rains, you just do not setup
2017-01-23T04:01:24 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-23T04:01:48 < aandrew> "because you can" is my guess
2017-01-23T04:02:11 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used latex/xetex/whatever?
2017-01-23T04:02:32 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: not me no
2017-01-23T04:02:35 < sync_> LeelooMinai: well, you can guess
2017-01-23T04:02:41 < sync_> but it is the challenge
2017-01-23T04:02:46  * Laurenceb_ is raging
2017-01-23T04:02:52 < sync_> (and it also brings in points to make us win in the contests)
2017-01-23T04:02:54 < gxti> as with anything ham related 1) beacuse you can 2) because it's hard 3) because you might invent something
2017-01-23T04:03:00 < Laurenceb_> Please type another input file name: 
2017-01-23T04:03:00 < Laurenceb_> ! I can't find file `{style_header.tex}'.
2017-01-23T04:03:52 < sync_> I'm always astounded by academia
2017-01-23T04:03:57 < sync_> latex + powerpoint
2017-01-23T04:04:06 < sync_> instead of latex + latex beamer
2017-01-23T04:04:09 < sync_> I'm like wat
2017-01-23T04:04:13 < Laurenceb_> heh me too
2017-01-23T04:04:49 < Laurenceb_> I've been asked to submit an article without the journal formatting
2017-01-23T04:04:56 < sync_> there is a boi in the institute writing his master thesis in word
2017-01-23T04:05:01 < Laurenceb_> problem is I wrote it for the journal formatting...
2017-01-23T04:05:04 < sync_> and it is giving me cancer everytime I see it
2017-01-23T04:05:16 < Laurenceb_> article class causes massive errors so I tried xetex
2017-01-23T04:05:18 < Laurenceb_> bad idea
2017-01-23T04:05:36 < fenugrec> sync_  what's next, mm-wave ? "FHF"
2017-01-23T04:05:42 < Laurenceb_> * XeTeX is required to compile this document.
2017-01-23T04:05:42 < Laurenceb_>  * Sorry!
2017-01-23T04:05:46 < fenugrec> if you go straight to IR / visible, that's cheating
2017-01-23T04:05:48 < Laurenceb_> hole shit literally trolltex
2017-01-23T04:06:08 < Laurenceb_>  "urfucked, k thankx bye" < latex
2017-01-23T04:06:34 < sync_> fenugrec: 134GHz 241GHz and IR/Red
2017-01-23T04:06:38 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-01-23T04:06:55 < Laurenceb_> I'm obviously missing some config
2017-01-23T04:07:42 < Laurenceb_> who is the latex wizard here?
2017-01-23T04:07:47 < Laurenceb_> lul linux bob
2017-01-23T04:09:16 < Laurenceb_> sounds like a rap
2017-01-23T04:11:39 < Laurenceb_> \input{style_header.tex} looks liek standard tex, perplexing
2017-01-23T04:12:30 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-01-23T04:12:45 < Laurenceb_> can't even find anything on google by page 8 :(
2017-01-23T04:12:52 < fenugrec> Laurenceb too late now but you could've used Lyx. I've had decent results
2017-01-23T04:13:09 < Laurenceb_> interesting ok
2017-01-23T04:13:35 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/DolanDark/status/818436217364615169
2017-01-23T04:15:33 < Laurenceb_> need a paid latex guru for most of these problems
2017-01-23T04:15:42 < Laurenceb_> email, pay $100, get pdf back
2017-01-23T04:15:51 < Laurenceb_> that would be a service that would make megabux
2017-01-23T04:16:19 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: did you like my link bruh
2017-01-23T04:16:22 < Laurenceb_> there is a guy at the uni who is the latex guy, but his inbox is so full he takes about a week to get back
2017-01-23T04:16:29 < fenugrec> if "pdf" can be "open in notepad, print-as-pdf, done" , I'll do it
2017-01-23T04:16:45 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-01-23T04:17:05 < Laurenceb_> if c was latex: #include would be an error
2017-01-23T04:18:09 < Laurenceb_> I know, manually edit the pdf in inkscape
2017-01-23T04:18:13 < Laurenceb_> I'm on to a winrar
2017-01-23T04:19:00 < Laurenceb_> atm the document will only compile if I include "SAGE", its like I'm getting 4channed
2017-01-23T04:19:27 < Thorn> fun fact: Stroustrup sounds very much like "ostrich corpse" in Russian
2017-01-23T04:20:40 < jadew> trup means body in romanian
2017-01-23T04:24:11 < Laurenceb_> Leeloo confirmed as Trump
2017-01-23T04:24:37 < aandrew> lol
2017-01-23T04:24:42 < Laurenceb_> its ok ur crowd was v bigly
2017-01-23T04:24:42 < aandrew> congrats Laurenceb_, you got her
2017-01-23T04:25:01 < englishman> hey aandrew keil is awesome! And free!
2017-01-23T04:25:17 < dongs> PaulFertser: okay. what is it preventing it from working in general tho, what needs "patching"? jtag is jtag right? is it just arch-speciifc stuff?
2017-01-23T04:25:24 < englishman> and is the *only* professional tool for professional stm32 pros
2017-01-23T04:27:34 < aandrew> lol englishman 
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2017-01-23T04:33:54 < dongs> its true
2017-01-23T04:34:00 < dongs> nothing beats keil on F0
2017-01-23T04:34:03 < dongs> or L0
2017-01-23T04:34:06 < dongs> or any cortex-m really
2017-01-23T04:34:15 < dongs> cortex-m0 rather
2017-01-23T04:48:56 < Laurenceb_> Runaway argument?
2017-01-23T04:48:56 < Laurenceb_> ! Paragraph ended before \@car was complete.
2017-01-23T04:48:58 < Laurenceb_> nice
2017-01-23T04:49:06 < Laurenceb_> time ot use word
2017-01-23T04:49:27 < englishman> dongs: cortex m3 or better has CLZ
2017-01-23T04:49:48 < dongs> o i know. it wasnt cortex code.
2017-01-23T04:49:52 < dongs> i just meant in general that logic
2017-01-23T04:49:55 < englishman> ah
2017-01-23T04:51:42 < ohsix> NOTICE ME SENPAI
2017-01-23T04:52:30 < dongs> i wonder if msft compiler smart enough to replace this with a x86 equivalent opcode
2017-01-23T04:53:37 < dongs> not t hat it matters
2017-01-23T04:55:59 < dongs> https://github.com/vain/ratterplatter haha lunix
2017-01-23T04:59:57 < dongs> building with /FAcs
2017-01-23T05:00:46 < ohsix> i had a thing on my xt that made toilet flushing noises with the pc speaker
2017-01-23T05:00:52 < ohsix> it was to 'flush' the hard drive
2017-01-23T05:05:53 < dongs> hm yeah its just generating bruteforce code
2017-01-23T05:08:46 < dongs> http://embeddedgurus.com/state-space/2014/09/fast-deterministic-and-portable-counting-leading-zeros/ lol
2017-01-23T05:14:22 < ohsix> https://flashalert.net/id/DeschutesSO/101157 17 year old girl not wearing seatbelts not getting dead enough
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2017-01-23T05:38:11 < englishman> http://imgur.com/a/MGiYh
2017-01-23T05:38:39 < aandrew> hm, I'm pretty sure I could get this demodulation and FIR filter done fast enough on an STM32F7
2017-01-23T05:41:13 < aandrew> 12*400 float multiplies followed by a 17 tap, 24 tap and 41 tap FIR filter with decimations getting me down to 9 floats every 4ish ms
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2017-01-23T05:56:11 < emeb_mac> aandrew: what are you making?
2017-01-23T05:56:37 < aandrew> part of one of the contracts... 6D tracking using electromagnetic field
2017-01-23T05:56:39 < aandrew> fields
2017-01-23T05:56:49 < upgrdman> does windows have a trivial way to send text to a com port? like the equiv of: echo "cocks" > /dev/ttyUSO0
2017-01-23T05:57:02 < aandrew> doesn't it work the same way?
2017-01-23T05:57:06 < aandrew> echo "cocks" > COM1:
2017-01-23T05:57:06 < aandrew> ?
2017-01-23T05:58:06 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-01-23T05:58:07 < Thorn> or \\.\COM42
2017-01-23T05:58:12 < upgrdman> with cmd.exe as admin i get
2017-01-23T05:58:12 < upgrdman> C:\Windows\system32>echo "test" > COM6:
2017-01-23T05:58:13 < upgrdman> Access is denied.
2017-01-23T05:58:18 < Thorn> (assuming it even works)
2017-01-23T05:58:56 < upgrdman> but neat, ok,
2017-01-23T05:59:06 < upgrdman> why does there need to be a colon... COM6: 
2017-01-23T05:59:38 < aandrew> because DOS
2017-01-23T05:59:39 < upgrdman> oh com6 is a bt adapter, maybe i should try with a ftdi
2017-01-23T05:59:50 < emeb_mac> aandrew: heh - just what I was about to type
2017-01-23T05:59:52 < aandrew> > COM1 would go to file
2017-01-23T06:00:01 < aandrew> COM1: tells it it's a device I guess
2017-01-23T06:00:05 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-23T06:00:05 < upgrdman> oh
2017-01-23T06:00:10 < emeb_mac> yep
2017-01-23T06:00:13 < upgrdman> so like C: D: COMx:
2017-01-23T06:00:17 < upgrdman> gotcha
2017-01-23T06:00:59 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-23T06:01:11 < aandrew> "I have a whole bunch of all-grain brewing equipment that needs a new home.  In related news, I found out what "gout" is. It's best avoided."
2017-01-23T06:01:48 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-01-23T06:17:37 < upgrdman> anyone know of a nice or easy to use testing framework for java?
2017-01-23T06:17:44 < upgrdman> is junit nice?
2017-01-23T06:19:56 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-23T06:24:19 < dongs> lol testing
2017-01-23T06:24:24 < dongs> write code that's not shit
2017-01-23T06:24:26 < dongs> problem solved
2017-01-23T06:25:43 < ohsix> testing sucks balls
2017-01-23T06:25:48 < ohsix> just get on with it
2017-01-23T06:26:49 < ohsix> aandrew: lewl @ gout thing
2017-01-23T06:27:25 < ohsix> what kind of testing upgrdman, just pass fail, or do you want to mock stuff and shit
2017-01-23T06:28:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, not sure yet. i dont really even want to do testing, but i feel like i should step it up a notch and put some engineering into my software dev'ing
2017-01-23T06:29:10 < upgrdman> also, so i can bitch at the chinagineers to write testable code
2017-01-23T06:29:30 < upgrdman> instead of the spaghetti shit they write
2017-01-23T06:30:13 < dongs> testing is already autism, do you wanna go further?
2017-01-23T06:37:22 < PaulFertser> dongs: oh yeah, there's plenty of arch-specific code, JTAG is just a low-level transport for ADI.
2017-01-23T06:38:49 < ohsix> upgrdman: it will be a big diversion, even moreso if you don't want to do it
2017-01-23T06:39:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i know.
2017-01-23T06:39:09 < upgrdman> but i should
2017-01-23T06:39:10 < ohsix> do some synthetic junk to figure out how to use the tool and wait until it is indicated ;]
2017-01-23T06:39:16 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-23T06:39:47 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-01-23T06:40:02 < dongs> PaulFertser: yes but
2017-01-23T06:40:10 < ohsix> a decent way to do test is write them as you find misfeatures, so they won't break again
2017-01-23T06:40:13 < dongs> for example running MSR or whaetver to get at a register
2017-01-23T06:40:16 < dongs> isnt that same across evreything?
2017-01-23T06:40:53 < ohsix> or regressions, but that shit doesn't technically exist until people have expectations
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2017-01-23T06:42:21 < PaulFertser> dongs: some parts are same, but many different. So different that armv8 support was implemented as a competely new target, supporting aarch64 and aarch32 code. Extending the existing armv7 code proved to be the wrong way to do it, too many arch differences. 
2017-01-23T06:42:55 < ohsix> upgrdman: lots of people write about test since it served as reverse engineering some sort of documentation at some point for them
2017-01-23T06:43:25 < dongs> when will it work at a usable point?
2017-01-23T06:43:26 < ohsix> it's a fine way to go as you map out your expectations onto a large base of code you don't know much about or has a huge history
2017-01-23T06:44:54 < ohsix> being post modern about what code 'is' is a whole huge thing, it sucks
2017-01-23T06:45:11 < PaulFertser> dongs: it's already usable and the code will get merged to upstream master this week.
2017-01-23T06:47:20 < dongs> allright. my pal keeps talking how amazing trace32 is and i keep tryin to tell him hes just paying for the box
2017-01-23T06:49:28 < ReadError> http://www.recode.net/2017/1/20/14336288/jack-dorsey-suspend-donald-trump-twitter-responsibility
2017-01-23T06:53:30 < dongs> ellen k pao
2017-01-23T06:54:07 < dongs> sup crt
2017-01-23T06:54:13 < dongs> pumping anything worthwhile todayt?
2017-01-23T07:01:46 < dongs> cant make use of that until openocd actually supports arm v8
2017-01-23T07:02:00 < dongs> https://community.arm.com/iot/embedded/b/blog/posts/a-few-intricacies-of-writing-armv8-m-secure-code also ever heard of sanitizing your links from aids?
2017-01-23T07:06:32 < dongs> # Read more: http://fuck.you/
2017-01-23T07:06:47 < dongs> those clipboard-stealing cunts are the worst
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2017-01-23T07:25:49 < ReadError> sourcetree really doesnt like dealing with a bunch of files
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2017-01-23T08:50:59 < dongs> cox, lol
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2017-01-23T08:51:51 < emeb_mac> welcome to Phoenix
2017-01-23T08:51:59 < emeb_mac> all we got here is cox
2017-01-23T08:52:14 < emeb_mac> if you want > 6Mbps at least
2017-01-23T08:53:24 < emeb_mac> if cox doesn't offer it you can probably get along w/o it
2017-01-23T08:55:38 < emeb_mac> yamaha is generally good stuff
2017-01-23T08:55:47 < dongs> good ol usa 4K
2017-01-23T08:55:50 < dongs> 1080i upscale dto 4K
2017-01-23T08:55:53 < emeb_mac> at least they used to be
2017-01-23T08:56:57 < emeb_mac> what do I know about HD - my 10yo TV is still 720p
2017-01-23T08:57:18 < emeb_mac> good enough for watching from across the room.
2017-01-23T08:57:35 < emeb_mac> not like I sit 10cm away from it and could see the pixels
2017-01-23T08:59:10 < emeb_mac> molecular resolution
2017-01-23T08:59:27 < emeb_mac> need a lot of bandwidth for that
2017-01-23T09:00:33 < emeb_mac> it's still pixels, just very tiny. tiny -> lots of them -> lots of data.
2017-01-23T09:01:51 < emeb_mac> highly compressed images. "show me the Colliseum in Rome" and it does because it already knows what it looks like?
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2017-01-23T09:04:41 < PeterM> it still confuses me how they use shit teir quality pcbs in $1000 recievers
2017-01-23T09:05:02 < PeterM> sneeze on the suching thing and the single sided boards apds lift
2017-01-23T09:05:15 < PeterM> im like wtyf
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2017-01-23T09:06:42 < PeterM> sure
2017-01-23T09:07:11 < PeterM> but if ytou dont have shit teir board then you can do shit smt, and use smaller over all board
2017-01-23T09:07:49 < PeterM> and quicker production too - i mean, i'd like to see a th board stuffer do 6000 CPH
2017-01-23T09:13:26 < PeterM> its about 50/50 split, analog and digital
2017-01-23T09:15:26 < PeterM> volume control, muxing, filters
2017-01-23T09:16:24 < PeterM> and then you have all of the, audio from hdmi -> dac, s/pdif -> dac etc
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2017-01-23T09:44:44 < dongs> unless there's DIP8 opamps in sockets
2017-01-23T09:44:45 < dongs> its not pro audio
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2017-01-23T10:27:22 < dongs> PaulFertser: which CL is usable now?
2017-01-23T10:27:24 < dongs> or it snot merged yet?
2017-01-23T10:34:06 < PaulFertser> dongs: armv8 is not yet merged, but it'll be merged very soon, in a matter of days/week.
2017-01-23T10:34:43 < PaulFertser> It's available on Gerrit, so one can pull a branch from there, I can dig up what the tip of this branch currently is.
2017-01-23T10:36:01 < dongs> can you? thanks.
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2017-01-23T10:42:11 < PaulFertser> dongs: if you do this in openocd git repository you'll have aarch64 support: git fetch http://openocd.zylin.com/openocd refs/changes/32/3832/2 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD
2017-01-23T10:46:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: this shows what's supported already: https://sourceforge.net/p/openocd/mailman/message/35450748/
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2017-01-23T11:04:39 < dongs> ok
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2017-01-23T13:19:01 < dongs> any uk fags here with Sky Q
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2017-01-23T14:02:06 < psprint_> finally something on topic
2017-01-23T14:02:59 < dongs> where?
2017-01-23T14:04:42 < psprint_> Is this news: (23X) STM32H7 Cortex-M7 400 MHz 
2017-01-23T14:05:17 < dongs> old news
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2017-01-23T14:09:23 < psprint_> there is also new LL api but cannot find anything on it
2017-01-23T14:11:14 < psprint_> hmm it's only for "STM32L4, L0, and F0 MCU series"
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2017-01-23T14:15:35 < dongs> oh?
2017-01-23T14:15:37 < dongs> link
2017-01-23T14:15:56 < dongs> enable expert designers
2017-01-23T14:17:42 < psprint_> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/n3837.html
2017-01-23T14:18:01 < psprint_> there is special cube for it
2017-01-23T14:21:31 < dongs> with full deployment across the STMCube spectrum 
2017-01-23T14:22:04 < psprint_> you suggest other MCU series are supported?
2017-01-23T14:22:17 < dongs> in Q1 2017
2017-01-23T14:22:39 < psprint_> cool
2017-01-23T14:24:49 < psprint_> A challenge – connect this HUB75 rgb led matrix (thank lord there's a standard) with half of pin descriptions (left) hidden: http://imgur.com/a/P02KV
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2017-01-23T14:29:11 < psprint_> plus, do it without ribbon cable
2017-01-23T14:30:21 < psprint_> this is how it would look like when using the cable: https://learn.adafruit.com/assets/23922
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2017-01-23T14:33:15 < psprint_> I actually like the quality, nothing is loosy, chips look sophisticated http://imgur.com/a/lbE7f
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2017-01-23T14:35:15 < dongs> they're still 595s
2017-01-23T14:38:05 < psprint_> crt: did you use some github hub75 library?
2017-01-23T14:38:32 < dongs> no he autismed and wrote it from scratch in thumb2 a sm
2017-01-23T14:38:39 < dongs> like a typical opensores developer
2017-01-23T14:38:42 < dongs> cuz why   reuse code
2017-01-23T14:38:46 < dongs> I CAN DO BETTER
2017-01-23T14:40:11 < zyp> I CAN DO WORSE
2017-01-23T14:40:45 < dongs> but you still have a dick
2017-01-23T14:40:49 < dongs> so can't be THAT much worse
2017-01-23T14:41:15 < dongs> everyone knows transgender coders write hte best stuff
2017-01-23T14:51:45 < zyp> unless you're coding by slapping your genitals on the keyboard I don't really see how gender matters
2017-01-23T14:53:31 < jadew> how else would you press the space key?
2017-01-23T14:53:44 < dongs> my space key is so huge, i need more htan one dick to press it
2017-01-23T14:56:21 < zyp> my dick is so huge, it reaches all the way from A to Z
2017-01-23T14:57:54 < dongs> http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/nordic/download_resource/19971/9/18464684 hm is this legit?
2017-01-23T14:57:58 < dongs> (it will download a pdf)
2017-01-23T14:58:02 < dongs> but i mean the process.
2017-01-23T14:58:18 < zyp> yeah, that's the common way of crystal sharing
2017-01-23T14:58:47 < zyp> the oscillator part of the chip is just a feedback amplifier
2017-01-23T14:58:47 < dongs> i think i see it on this board im trying to RE
2017-01-23T14:59:06 < dongs> so what does the shared shit see? just a sinewave cuz the crystal is oscillating thx to mcu?
2017-01-23T14:59:15 < zyp> yes
2017-01-23T14:59:19 < dongs> hmm
2017-01-23T14:59:45 < dongs> man it s fucking annoying cuz if I fuck this up, i ahve 6 bits of crystal frequency prescaler that are on bga balls
2017-01-23T15:00:01 < dongs> which means i cant change that shit if its wrong ;p
2017-01-23T15:00:04 < zyp> clock is derived from the xin pin, through a comparator or something
2017-01-23T15:00:19 < zyp> and xout is also generated from xin through a feedback amplifier
2017-01-23T15:00:49 < zyp> you know, for external oscillator you just disregard xout and wire the clock to xin
2017-01-23T15:01:17 < zyp> piggybacking on another crystal oscillator works in the same way
2017-01-23T15:02:10 < zyp> I saw some chip state once that it had a low power oscillator so you shouldn't piggyback off it, but I don't remember which
2017-01-23T15:02:13 < zyp> maybe stm32
2017-01-23T15:02:59 < dongs> hm. they're running that xin thing through resistor -> cap -> one leg of crystal
2017-01-23T15:03:22 < zyp> idk what that is about
2017-01-23T15:04:38 < dongs> i can feed a clock with p-p amplitude of 0.5 to XI_VDD (which is 2.5V)
2017-01-23T15:04:53 < dongs> maybe thats why they have a resistor?
2017-01-23T15:05:03 < dongs> the other shit they're sucking off of is 3.3V powered
2017-01-23T15:05:51 < dongs> 47 ohm resistor.
2017-01-23T15:07:05 < zyp> could be, but the oscillator should be AC anywya
2017-01-23T15:07:24 < dongs> yes but wouldnt 3.3V powered one still be 3.3V p-p just centered around 0
2017-01-23T15:07:28 < dongs> and +- 1.5V or wahtever
2017-01-23T15:07:30 < dongs> 1.8V
2017-01-23T15:07:35 < dongs> 1.65
2017-01-23T15:08:04 < zyp> probably centered around 1.6V or whatever
2017-01-23T15:08:09 < zyp> and much less swing
2017-01-23T15:08:21 < dongs> hm.
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2017-01-23T15:08:48 < dongs> thing is, i ahve 2 choices. i could steal 16mhz from crystal, but I don't know any good settings for this other chip at 16mhz. it may not even work.
2017-01-23T15:09:00 < dongs> or I can get clock out which i can divide by 1/2/4/8
2017-01-23T15:09:04 < dongs> but that one is definitely 3.3V levels
2017-01-23T15:09:26 < zyp> what's the chip you're clocking?
2017-01-23T15:09:44 < dongs> bunch of ADC and shit
2017-01-23T15:09:56 < zyp> not RF?
2017-01-23T15:10:02 < dongs> nope
2017-01-23T15:10:05 < zyp> okay
2017-01-23T15:10:49 < dongs> jap docs say 4 ~ 27Mhz
2017-01-23T15:11:05 < dongs> for input, but not a lot of info of how to make use of anything other than 4 or 27
2017-01-23T15:11:34 < dongs> external divider on the board i'm RE'ing is set to 27mhz..
2017-01-23T15:11:40 < dongs> even tho the clock is clearly leeching from 4mhz xtal
2017-01-23T15:11:43 < dongs> so i dont know wtf
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2017-01-23T15:17:02 < dongs> what is 'PD' in context of somethign that makes clocks
2017-01-23T15:18:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VsnTOwL.png
2017-01-23T15:26:15 < zyp> yeah, that's likely
2017-01-23T15:26:21 < zyp> PID without I term
2017-01-23T15:26:52 < zyp> so its calibrating VCO/3/n against XT/m
2017-01-23T15:28:07 < psprint_> yh farnell doesn't have ribbon cables with sockets, just bare cables
2017-01-23T15:31:06 < Kliment> Can you guys recommend a cheap surface-mount 1.27mm pitch dual row connector for a ribbon cable?
2017-01-23T15:31:17 < Kliment> CNC tech makes some nice ones but they're through hole
2017-01-23T15:32:21 < dongs> zyp, so what the hell odes that mean in english
2017-01-23T15:32:54 < dongs> so if my crystal is say 4mhz
2017-01-23T15:33:03 < dongs> exdiv is set to ... uh.. lemme see what 4mhz shit does
2017-01-23T15:33:12 < dongs> 0x02
2017-01-23T15:33:33 < dongs> so 2 goes into PD
2017-01-23T15:33:43 < dongs> does that > < shit mean multiply or what
2017-01-23T15:34:08 < dongs> MD is supposed to be 78 mhz
2017-01-23T15:34:11 < dongs> with 4mhz xtal
2017-01-23T15:35:18 < zyp> this shit is like a PLL
2017-01-23T15:35:32 < zyp> XT is only used for tuning the internal VCO
2017-01-23T15:36:36 < zyp> MD = XT * n/m
2017-01-23T15:37:48 < zyp> so XT = 4MHz, m = 2 and n = 39 will give 78MHz
2017-01-23T15:38:18 < dongs> oh
2017-01-23T15:38:29 < dongs> 4.000 02h(2) 27h(39) 78.000
2017-01-23T15:38:31 < dongs> yeah thats there
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2017-01-23T15:39:39 < dongs> but how would i get close to 78-80 with 16mhz XT? increase M?
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2017-01-23T15:39:54 < zyp> yeah, or decrease n
2017-01-23T15:40:24 < zyp> there's probably some constraints you'd have to account for
2017-01-23T15:40:42 < Kliment> The VCO will have a min/max input and output freq
2017-01-23T15:40:54 < zyp> like, on F4 HSE/M is supposed to be within 1-2 MHz
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2017-01-23T15:41:15 < dongs> tehy only give 2 examples for 4 and 27mhz
2017-01-23T15:41:19 < dongs> but supposed to be a range
2017-01-23T15:41:29 < zyp> what's the numbers for 27?
2017-01-23T15:41:34 < dongs> 27.000 0Bh(11) 20h(32) 78.545
2017-01-23T15:42:03 < zyp> 27/11*32, that's 78.55
2017-01-23T15:42:45 < zyp> so anyway, 16/8*39 should work fine
2017-01-23T15:43:02 < zyp> that's just increasing m from the 4MHz example
2017-01-23T15:43:24 < zyp> i.e. m = 8 if I were unclear
2017-01-23T15:43:31 < dongs> yea, i get it
2017-01-23T15:43:38 < dongs> xt is *4 and m(2)*4
2017-01-23T15:43:53 < zyp> that's less than 11 for the 27MHz example, so it should be valid
2017-01-23T15:44:02 < dongs> ok, routing those balls
2017-01-23T15:48:01 < dongs> it doesnt matter which end of xtal i tap on the mcu part?
2017-01-23T15:48:06 < dongs> xin or xout
2017-01-23T15:48:19 < dongs> i guess once its oscillating they're both same anyway?
2017-01-23T16:08:06 < dongs> ok cool. other examples for ofset/etc calculation are all based off MD=77 or 78 so i can recalculate those
2017-01-23T16:08:11 < dongs> 16mhz should work
2017-01-23T16:09:21 < psprint_> many people (could say that everybody) are bashing on HAL etc. but HUH, how quickly it allowed me to jump over to just using STM, creating projects, doing DMA transfers, etc.
2017-01-23T16:09:41 < dongs> many people say the same about say, python
2017-01-23T16:10:25 < dongs> i agree, HAL-using dude here just pushes out shitty software all day long
2017-01-23T16:10:35 < dongs> does it work? sure. does it get the job done? sure. does it look like shit? yes.
2017-01-23T16:10:52 < dongs> if you only care about 1 and 2 then yeah, HAL is the way to go for sure
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2017-01-23T16:13:17 < zyp> psprint_, quickly? haven't you been struggling for days with that EXTI shit?
2017-01-23T16:13:34 < dongs> heh
2017-01-23T16:13:52 < zyp> if you consider that quickly, you have a weird perspective
2017-01-23T16:14:42 < psprint_> well I've seen beautiful libraries like Boost Geometry, using concepts and stuff. I'm 7.5 year experienced software engineer, + like 2 open source experience. And I'm not sure if ST programmers reached API highs – maybe not – but I also cannot see something done wrong, it's a typical API effort
2017-01-23T16:15:11 < psprint_> zyp: learned so much that I now start new project in 10 minutes
2017-01-23T16:15:54 < dongs> hal api looks pretty fucking terrible to me
2017-01-23T16:16:02 < zyp> I've got two major arguments against it
2017-01-23T16:16:12 < zyp> one is that it's way too verbose
2017-01-23T16:17:15 < dongs> holding my breath for #2
2017-01-23T16:17:55 < zyp> and the other is that it's pretty much a 1:1 mapping of the hardware registers, so it doesn't simplify much, but it still calles everything with different names, so when you're referencing the RM you need to read the source to figure out what's going on
2017-01-23T16:18:10 < dongs> yeah that part really fucking pisses me off
2017-01-23T16:18:24 < dongs> but stdperiph does same shit
2017-01-23T16:18:54 < zyp> calling stuff differently is fine when you do stuff differently, i.e. simplify stuff or abstract it so it fits several kinds of hardware
2017-01-23T16:19:18 < Kliment> I did port a driver between architectures using HAL and it mostly worked
2017-01-23T16:19:28 < Kliment> (L0 to F0)
2017-01-23T16:19:35 < zyp> but it's utterly pointless when all it does is putting more verbose names on all the hardware registers
2017-01-23T16:19:55 < Kliment> But the two are close enough that it didn't matter too much I think
2017-01-23T16:19:59 < zyp> Kliment, that's not so strange, L0 and F0 is identical in most respects
2017-01-23T16:20:29 < dongs> what did the "driver" do?
2017-01-23T16:20:46 < zyp> same periph generation for most periphs, instancing might be different, but register layouts will be identical
2017-01-23T16:21:04 < zyp> flash is different, but not a lot of code interfaces with the flash control registers anyway
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2017-01-23T16:34:44 < karlp> huh, weird: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/535115/51820761/
2017-01-23T16:35:14 < dongs> welcome to zfs
2017-01-23T16:40:18 < karlp> Kliment: re 1.27mm connectors, theyre in zypsnips too
2017-01-23T16:40:32 < dongs> you mean jtag connectors??
2017-01-23T16:40:38 < dongs> i think he wanted them for FPC tho
2017-01-23T16:40:40 < dongs> or something
2017-01-23T16:40:43 < dongs> i couldnt parse his english
2017-01-23T16:40:51 < Kliment> No, I need a dense 12 pin connector for ribbon cables
2017-01-23T16:41:03 < dongs> like IDC?
2017-01-23T16:41:35 < Kliment> Yes, I want to use an IDC part on the cable itself but I need something to mate with that on the PCB end
2017-01-23T16:41:48 < dongs> then karlp is correct
2017-01-23T16:41:53 < dongs> that FTSH thing or whatever will do
2017-01-23T16:41:55 < dongs> or its clones.
2017-01-23T16:43:07 < karlp> vendors are the same at least,
2017-01-23T16:43:15 < karlp> they come in all pin combinations
2017-01-23T16:43:31 < dongs> yepl.
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2017-01-23T17:00:22 < Kliment> karlp, dongs, thanks
2017-01-23T17:07:43 < Kliment> Looks like digikey doesn't stock the 12 position one, and mouser doesn't seem to have them at all though
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2017-01-23T17:16:02 < karlp> samtec will sell directly at least.
2017-01-23T17:16:10 < englishman> ^
2017-01-23T17:16:13 < englishman> and their support is good
2017-01-23T17:16:32 < englishman> i asked them for a 3d model and the guy copied like 15 people to get me the model right away
2017-01-23T17:16:57 < englishman> it ended up being the wrong one but thats besides they point. they tried.
2017-01-23T17:17:09 < gxti> heh
2017-01-23T17:18:39 < Laurenceb_> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/c/c5/Briannawumanprop.jpg/500px-Briannawumanprop.jpg
2017-01-23T17:18:54 < englishman> eww dude
2017-01-23T17:21:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqENaEyuVB0
2017-01-23T17:22:50 < Laurenceb_> lul ED delivers https://i.imgtc.com/Lu8oul6.jpg
2017-01-23T17:23:09 < dongs> Laurenceb_: do you have sky q
2017-01-23T17:23:19 < Laurenceb_> wazzat?
2017-01-23T17:23:24 < dongs> i guess you dont, LOL
2017-01-23T17:23:39 < Laurenceb_> wtf sky tv
2017-01-23T17:23:41 < Laurenceb_> whyyy dude
2017-01-23T17:23:54 < Laurenceb_> pay cazy money to watch shit and get fat
2017-01-23T17:24:08 < dongs> pretty much
2017-01-23T17:28:48 < karlp> what's the other company that makes pin headers like that, not amp/te/molex, there was someone else,
2017-01-23T17:28:51 < karlp> mullins?
2017-01-23T17:29:22 < Laurenceb_> hirose?
2017-01-23T17:29:41  * karlp shrugs
2017-01-23T17:29:48 < karlp> fci too, can't rmemeber what it was.
2017-01-23T17:30:18 < aandrew> how do you pronounce hirose?
2017-01-23T17:30:44 < aandrew> I was pronouncing it "high-rose" but then someone I trust on these things told me "you mean 'her-oh-she'?"
2017-01-23T17:32:42 < karlp> high-rose, surely?
2017-01-23T17:32:45 < Laurenceb_> aadrew: lul we have this debate at work
2017-01-23T17:32:57 < Laurenceb_> I say high-rose cuz I'm simple like that
2017-01-23T17:33:01 < englishman> ive also heard high-row-see
2017-01-23T17:33:22 < englishman> but that was a dude that actually went to nippon to get a contract with them
2017-01-23T17:33:23 < englishman> so i dono
2017-01-23T17:33:31 < Laurenceb_> I'm not French
2017-01-23T17:33:33 < Laurenceb_>  QED
2017-01-23T17:33:39 < englishman> neither are they
2017-01-23T17:34:12 < Laurenceb_> then why would they be called high-row-see
2017-01-23T17:34:13 < englishman> isnt there a jap in this channel
2017-01-23T17:34:14 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-01-23T17:34:18 < englishman> hes mostly a lurker tho
2017-01-23T17:34:22 < englishman> doesnt talk much
2017-01-23T17:34:24 < englishman> not very opinionated
2017-01-23T17:38:57 < aandrew> usually drunk off his ass on natto
2017-01-23T17:44:00 < Laurenceb_> define irony https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C21WRzLUoAIuT7g.jpg
2017-01-23T17:45:28 < dongs> lol
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2017-01-23T17:49:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/bnQ1vfr.png how to route 3 core voltages on 2L
2017-01-23T17:49:43 < aandrew> dongs: nice, what chip is that
2017-01-23T17:50:12 < dongs> this jap adc
2017-01-23T17:50:24 < aandrew> the ballout seems reasonable at least for those nets at aleast
2017-01-23T17:50:40 < aandrew> gonna do VIP for the rest?
2017-01-23T17:50:42 < zyp> dongs, move the light yellow to the inside and the orange outside it, that way you can reach the other four as well
2017-01-23T17:50:44 < dongs> nope
2017-01-23T17:50:58 < aandrew> do you need C11/C12?
2017-01-23T17:50:59 < dongs> zyp, the other 4 are just logic
2017-01-23T17:51:03 < dongs> pull high
2017-01-23T17:51:09 < zyp> the other four orange?
2017-01-23T17:51:10 < dongs> i will grab those from outside
2017-01-23T17:51:11 < dongs> yea
2017-01-23T17:51:23 < zyp> wtf, why do you reuse the color?
2017-01-23T17:51:29 < dongs> ? its  same net
2017-01-23T17:51:36 < dongs> vcc3v3
2017-01-23T17:51:42 < zyp> oh, right, fixed high logic
2017-01-23T17:52:06 < dongs> the bottom one is the exdiv thing and top 3 are enable/disable lines for outputs
2017-01-23T17:52:12 < Laurenceb_> most complex adc ever 
2017-01-23T17:52:22 < Laurenceb_> how many bits, sps?
2017-01-23T17:52:36 < zyp> well, even if they're just logic, it'll be easier to route if you just moved orange outside yellow
2017-01-23T17:52:56 < dongs> 28msps i think, donno about bits maybe 8
2017-01-23T17:53:05 < dongs> zyp, ah you mean all the orange bits  facing outward? hmm
2017-01-23T17:53:08 < zyp> yes
2017-01-23T17:53:14 < dongs> swap the /-\ things
2017-01-23T17:53:15 < dongs> hmmm
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2017-01-23T17:54:02 < dongs> yep, you're right. should work
2017-01-23T17:54:13 < Kliment> shh zyp, careful, you're making sense
2017-01-23T17:54:33 < zyp> Kliment, I like to think I usually do
2017-01-23T17:54:34 < Kliment> It might be contageous
2017-01-23T17:54:38 < dongs> gotta move them all tho, meh
2017-01-23T17:54:46 < dongs> anything in altdumb to mirror selection?
2017-01-23T17:55:00 < dongs> nope, flip wasnt it
2017-01-23T17:55:10 < zyp> just ripup and redraw
2017-01-23T17:55:12 < Kliment> It's just 20 traces or so
2017-01-23T17:55:19 < Kliment> Faster to redo than try to edit
2017-01-23T17:55:33 < zyp> if you have a decent grid that shit takes like 15 seconds to redraw
2017-01-23T17:55:55 < Kliment> or collision avoidance routing
2017-01-23T17:55:57 < zyp> well, probably without grid too
2017-01-23T17:56:44 < psprint_> nice image, of the 3 core voltages / 2L, is it really sophisticated? Could use it in a room poster, just went to order printing this http://community.wolfram.com/c/portal/getImageAttachment?filename=Nr179CellularAutomaton2014.jpg&userId=11733
2017-01-23T17:57:59 < zyp> aandrew, given that it's a japanese name, you can press listen to here: https://translate.google.com/#ja/en/%E3%83%92%E3%83%AD%E3%82%BB
2017-01-23T17:58:09 < psprint_> hah the link doesn't work http://imgur.com/a/J5DKv
2017-01-23T17:59:15 < dongs> nope
2017-01-23T17:59:16 < dongs> zyp
2017-01-23T17:59:20 < dongs> top right corner doesnt work
2017-01-23T17:59:27 < dongs> hm o rwait
2017-01-23T17:59:39 < Kliment> yeah it does
2017-01-23T17:59:42 < dongs> ya still ok
2017-01-23T18:03:21 < dongs> huh wasnt there a way to set quick component grids
2017-01-23T18:03:40 < Kliment> Why are atmel/microchip such dicks about providing land patterns?
2017-01-23T18:04:02 < dongs> probly cuz they're basic/common
2017-01-23T18:04:36 < Kliment> a 3x3mm QFN-20 with weird-shaped corner pads and 0.45mm pitch is not that common
2017-01-23T18:04:52 < dongs> thats why you use altium pattern generator shit
2017-01-23T18:05:27 < Kliment> That doesn't give me things like recommended pad clearances
2017-01-23T18:05:53 < Kliment> I'm especially concerned about the corner pads, because they're internally mitered
2017-01-23T18:06:20 < Kliment> so assuming square pads gives insufficient clearance between the internal corners
2017-01-23T18:07:17 < dongs> probly
2017-01-23T18:07:21 < dongs> sounds liek that stm8 footprint englishman did
2017-01-23T18:07:32 < dongs> where's atmeg8.png
2017-01-23T18:07:42 < englishman> would post if imgur wasnt permafucked
2017-01-23T18:07:43 < Kliment> I haven't seen 0.45mm pitch before
2017-01-23T18:08:20 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/RTmyhl8.png
2017-01-23T18:08:21 < Kliment> I've used 0.4mm pitch QFN-20s in 3x3mm, which is a common package
2017-01-23T18:08:44 < englishman> dongs how 2 pronounce hirose
2017-01-23T18:08:59 < Kliment> englishman: Yeah, that sort of thing. How is solderability on those?
2017-01-23T18:09:04 < englishman> fine
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2017-01-23T18:09:11 < englishman> as easy as any qfn
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2017-01-23T18:09:48 < englishman> .5mm pitch tho
2017-01-23T18:09:52 < dongs> hi-ro-se, hi as in 'hit'
2017-01-23T18:10:18 < englishman> so like hih row see
2017-01-23T18:10:35 < dongs> Kliment: https://upverter.com/upn/44640bb54a11a4f7/
2017-01-23T18:10:43 < zyp> englishman, check the google translate link I posted, hit the «listen to» button
2017-01-23T18:11:02 < englishman> hih row zay
2017-01-23T18:11:27 < dongs> (also lol @ upverter trash)
2017-01-23T18:11:28 < englishman> i dono, i cant trust hooli traduction after learning french
2017-01-23T18:12:09 < zyp> google text to speech is pretty accurate for japanese
2017-01-23T18:12:13 < dongs> zyp: https://goo.gl/e4BrVa
2017-01-23T18:12:16 < zyp> because japanese is phonetic
2017-01-23T18:12:25 < zyp> wat
2017-01-23T18:12:43 < Kliment> dongs: That doesn't seem quite right, that footprint
2017-01-23T18:12:59 < dongs> zyp: https://goo.gl/kp39V0 bets better
2017-01-23T18:13:01 < dongs> er, gets
2017-01-23T18:13:19 < Kliment> dongs: the pads are thinner than the lands on the QFN
2017-01-23T18:13:26 < zyp> dongs, you've posted that before
2017-01-23T18:13:44 < dongs> Kliment: "upverter" is one of those retarded cloud shits where you pay $20 to someone to click a button in altium. quality is least of thier concerrn
2017-01-23T18:14:29 < Kliment> But I'm more concerned with why atmel/microchip don't include a recommended or even advisory land pattern
2017-01-23T18:14:48 < Kliment> Basically everyone else seems to (though some, like TI, make them hard to find)
2017-01-23T18:15:14 < dongs> http://atmel.force.com/support/articles/en_US/FAQ/Footprints-Land-Pattern-Recommendation
2017-01-23T18:15:18 < dongs> haha
2017-01-23T18:15:22 < zyp> Kliment, probably because they don't want you to use their parts
2017-01-23T18:15:26 < dongs> > linking to avrfreaks/talking about eagle
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2017-01-23T18:18:14 < dongs> Kliment: 
2017-01-23T18:18:21 < dongs> altium vault has it same as that upverter shit
2017-01-23T18:18:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5shNQaS.png
2017-01-23T18:19:13 < zyp> that looks like standard qfn
2017-01-23T18:21:18 < zyp> but it doesn't look right wrt. the dimensions of Kliment's footprint
2017-01-23T18:21:51 < Kliment> dongs: I like how the atmel support link to IPC is broken
2017-01-23T18:21:51 < dongs> dunno i jsut searched for ATtiny20-MMH
2017-01-23T18:21:59 < dongs> Kliment: lol, well i didnt eeven click that far
2017-01-23T18:22:04 < dongs> they link to a fucking FORUM
2017-01-23T18:22:07 < dongs> for footprints
2017-01-23T18:22:10 < dongs> like, fuck right off
2017-01-23T18:22:14 < dongs> credibility = zero
2017-01-23T18:22:29 < Kliment> dongs: this is AT42QT2120, if it matters
2017-01-23T18:22:32 < dongs> <atmel> plz download adafruit eagle library for all our 0day footprints
2017-01-23T18:22:44 < dongs> ok lemme grab that one
2017-01-23T18:22:50 < dongs> -XU?
2017-01-23T18:22:57 < dongs> wut
2017-01-23T18:23:01 < dongs> that shit only has it on 20ssop
2017-01-23T18:23:12 < zyp> -MMH
2017-01-23T18:23:20 < zyp> XU is TSSOP
2017-01-23T18:23:25 < Kliment> -MMH, yeah
2017-01-23T18:23:46 < dongs> yeah, so there's only -SU and -XU
2017-01-23T18:23:49 < dongs> no -mmh lol
2017-01-23T18:23:49 < zyp> looks like same size
2017-01-23T18:23:51 < dongs> stop picking gay parts
2017-01-23T18:24:15 < dongs> anywaym -MMH is obviosuly the vqfn-20 suffix so
2017-01-23T18:24:22 < dongs> any other part like that failmega will be same package
2017-01-23T18:24:36 < Kliment> you mean failtiny :P
2017-01-23T18:25:07 < zyp> I'd say just stop overthinking it, just have the IPC generator make a reasonable footprint
2017-01-23T18:25:19 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-23T18:27:31 < dongs> pads are 0.8x0.25mm, rounded
2017-01-23T18:27:43 < dongs> 3mm apart centers
2017-01-23T18:27:55 < dongs> epad is 1.6x1.6mm
2017-01-23T18:27:55 < dongs> thats all
2017-01-23T18:28:03 < dongs> thats hte component in vault anyway
2017-01-23T18:28:18 < englishman> cypress are equally assholes with the footprints
2017-01-23T18:28:29 < dongs> analog has hte best footprints
2017-01-23T18:28:33 < dongs> you have to install a VB app from 2005
2017-01-23T18:28:37 < dongs> to import t heir "BXL" format
2017-01-23T18:28:41 < englishman> oh that shit
2017-01-23T18:28:44 < Kliment> dongs: Thanks
2017-01-23T18:28:47 < dongs> and export it as .txt which then requires running some .pascal script
2017-01-23T18:28:50 < dongs> inside altium
2017-01-23T18:28:52 < dongs> to generate the footprint
2017-01-23T18:29:00 < dongs> ULTRA LIBRARIAN
2017-01-23T18:29:04 < englishman> dongs: found a local company with competitive 3day service. but thanks
2017-01-23T18:29:08 < dongs> (they also ask money for it)
2017-01-23T18:29:10 < dongs> englishman: cool
2017-01-23T18:29:16 < dongs> less work for me for sure
2017-01-23T18:29:19 < zyp> one of the parts I generated a footprint for recently even had the IPC name in the datasheet, that was convenient
2017-01-23T18:29:21 < englishman> yep
2017-01-23T18:29:24 < Kliment> dongs: That's pretty close to what I ended up making myself, just 2.8mm centers rather than 3 and shorter pads
2017-01-23T18:29:25 < karlp> aw, no emeb to show the knobs to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSuoaD6hrww
2017-01-23T18:30:40 < zyp> ah, that was the silabs thing
2017-01-23T18:30:44 < Kliment> dongs: So they don't stick out as much outside the package
2017-01-23T18:30:54 < zyp> «This Land Pattern Design is based on IPC-7351 pattern SOIC127P600X165-16N for Density Level B (Median Land Protrusion)»
2017-01-23T18:31:00 < dongs> Kliment: yeah no reason unless youre handsoldering shit
2017-01-23T18:31:16 < Kliment> dongs: inspectability suffers a bit
2017-01-23T18:31:21 < Kliment> dongs: But yeah
2017-01-23T18:33:48 < Kliment> The IPC generator's EULA says "output data is not to be sold or re-distrbuted other than with a PCB design project unless you obtain a distribution of content license starting at $50000 per year per CAD format type"
2017-01-23T18:34:17 < Kliment> Maybe that's why Atmel won't put them in a datasheet
2017-01-23T18:34:39 < dongs> yeah so how the fuck do i set per-component grid
2017-01-23T18:34:41 < dongs> i did this before
2017-01-23T18:36:26 < dongs> k got it, i just thought there was an easier way to center it at component
2017-01-23T18:45:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zBGjp4m.png how's this
2017-01-23T18:45:43 < dongs> the fatter things is where ill stick a via to a bypass cap or something
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2017-01-23T18:47:28 < Kliment> Looks good
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2017-01-23T19:13:21 < zyp> one of my pals wants a soldering station for some hobby shit, what's cheap but decent?
2017-01-23T19:13:33 < zyp> must have 230V variant
2017-01-23T19:17:27 < kakimir> I need non-pae live linux
2017-01-23T19:17:37 < kakimir> recomds.?
2017-01-23T19:28:28 < karlp> you know enough to know that you want non-pae, but don't already have somethign in mind?
2017-01-23T19:28:32 < karlp> bullshit :)
2017-01-23T19:31:29 < zyp> what sort of hardware are you gonna run it on that doesn't support pae?
2017-01-23T19:32:14 < zyp> «A number of older Pentium M processors produced around 2003-4 (the Banias family) do not display the PAE flag, and hence a normal installation fails. However, these processors are in fact able to run the latest (and PAE-demanding) kernels if only the installation process is modified a little. The problem is not missing PAE, it's about the processor not displaying its full capabilities.»
2017-01-23T19:32:29 < zyp> apparently adding «forcepae» to kernel command line solves that
2017-01-23T19:38:18 < psprint_> hah changing optimization option for Debug from -Os to -O0 makes stepping while debugging rock solid, no random chaotic jumps over source code
2017-01-23T19:38:43 < zyp> it also makes your code super stupid
2017-01-23T19:38:49 < kakimir> zyp: thanks for the info
2017-01-23T19:38:57 < kakimir> this is celeron M
2017-01-23T19:39:29 < psprint_> zyp: the question is how much this stupid trait is included also in optimizing for size
2017-01-23T19:39:46 < zyp> psprint_, in general it's good practice to debug what you'll run
2017-01-23T19:40:43 < kakimir> http://ark.intel.com/products/27139/Intel-Celeron-M-Processor-320-512K-Cache-1_30-GHz-400-MHz-FSB ha
2017-01-23T19:40:44 < psprint_> hm this can have strong sense for microcontrollers than normal software, but I make -Os debugging my second option, too much chaos with it
2017-01-23T19:40:46 < kakimir> it hase pae
2017-01-23T19:40:47 < kakimir> !
2017-01-23T19:40:56 < zyp> debugging unoptimized code both messes up the timing and can mask other bugs caused by undefined behavior (since undefined behavior might manifest differently depending on optimization level)
2017-01-23T19:40:58 < kakimir> physical address extesion: 32bit
2017-01-23T19:41:20 < zyp> psprint_, if you insist on changing the optimization level for debugging, you should use -Og
2017-01-23T19:41:34 < zyp> -Og only disables the optimizations that reorder code
2017-01-23T19:42:39 < zyp> but IMO learning how to debug optimized code is more worthwhile than messing around with that shit
2017-01-23T19:44:11 < zyp> eventually you'll run into «why does this code break under -O2/-Os but work with -O0/Og» and have to either learn it anyway or ship your debug build because you don't know how to fix the production build
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2017-01-23T19:54:30 < _ami_> wow, good to see people here!
2017-01-23T19:56:32 < gxti> -Og is nice, i'm glad it exists
2017-01-23T20:00:13 < zyp> I've yet to use it
2017-01-23T20:00:36 < zyp> it didn't exist when I learned how to debug efficiently, so I learned to do without
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2017-01-23T20:03:49 < Steffanx> You do need a troll proof vest here _ami_ :P
2017-01-23T20:05:53 < Steffanx> you never run into the issue that some variable you want to see gets optimized out zyp?
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2017-01-23T20:31:43 < _ami_> Steffanx: hehe! :), i got a thick skin though :) 
2017-01-23T20:36:19 < Steffanx> hah excellent.
2017-01-23T20:42:59 < englishman> zyp: the ts100 iron is pretty decent. powered from whatever laptop charger supply you can find
2017-01-23T20:46:56 < zyp> ah, those
2017-01-23T20:49:24 < Steffanx> That's not really a "station" is it? Im still happy with my ersa rds80. And i even got it for 1/4 of the price it's sold for nowadays.
2017-01-23T20:49:45 < englishman> it melts solder, works4me
2017-01-23T20:51:38 < Steffanx> Can't beat that argument
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2017-01-23T20:54:55 < upgrdman> how many watts is the ts100
2017-01-23T20:57:00 < englishman> many
2017-01-23T20:57:16 < zyp> all the watts
2017-01-23T20:57:19 < Steffanx> They claim up to 65W.
2017-01-23T20:57:25 < Steffanx> but it depends on the voltage.
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2017-01-23T21:12:13 < grafi_> How would you recommend to implement USB CDC (VCP) on a stm32f4 for a beginner? So far it looks like the code gen from cubemx is the best solution?
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2017-01-23T21:25:36 < zyp> grafi_, maybe libopencm3 if you're up for that
2017-01-23T21:25:39 < englishman> yeah its super easy
2017-01-23T21:25:54 < englishman> click export, and you get some function handles and callbacks, that's it
2017-01-23T21:26:11 < englishman> same with hid
2017-01-23T21:26:12 < zyp> englishman, and a lot of mess? :)
2017-01-23T21:26:15 < englishman> pff
2017-01-23T21:26:43 < englishman> it's all perfectly readable and documented
2017-01-23T21:27:23 < zyp> I'd suggest my lib, but I really wouldn't recommend that for a beginner, although it looks nice :p
2017-01-23T21:27:55 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/main.cpp?h=usb_cdc_acm
2017-01-23T21:28:04 < englishman> i have half the hal lib, spi drivers, bunch of other crap, and hid, and the whole project is like 15k with -O0
2017-01-23T21:28:18 < zyp> is that supposed to be small?
2017-01-23T21:28:29 < englishman> im sure usb takes up a lot
2017-01-23T21:28:53 < englishman> and its on a 128k target. so yea i guess
2017-01-23T21:29:24 < zyp> what about -O2 or -Os? so we can compare useful numbers?
2017-01-23T21:29:56 < englishman> man i just closed it
2017-01-23T21:30:13 < zyp> and what am I trying to prove anyway, I haven't argued code size :p
2017-01-23T21:30:18 < englishman> no -Os in armcc
2017-01-23T21:30:28 < zyp> it's the verbosity I take an issue with :p
2017-01-23T21:30:46 < englishman> USBD_HID_SendReport(&hUsbDeviceFS, (uint8_t *)report, HID_REPORT_SIZE);
2017-01-23T21:30:50 < englishman> perfectly fine
2017-01-23T21:32:04 < zyp> uh
2017-01-23T21:32:13 < englishman> ublox modules are cheaper from digikey than ublox direct, but region locked to usa
2017-01-23T21:32:15 < englishman> racists
2017-01-23T21:32:19 < zyp> what's hUsbDeviceFS?
2017-01-23T21:32:29 < Steffanx> Better buy simcom as that's owned by ublox now englishman
2017-01-23T21:32:46 < zyp> is that the usb periph itself?
2017-01-23T21:33:00 < englishman> right click -> go to definition of hUsbDeviceFS
2017-01-23T21:33:04 < zyp> if so, where do you specify interface/endpoint?
2017-01-23T21:33:09 < englishman> * USB Device Core handle declaration */
2017-01-23T21:33:09 < englishman> USBD_HandleTypeDef hUsbDeviceFS;
2017-01-23T21:33:29 < zyp> yeah, that's what I thought
2017-01-23T21:33:41 < zyp> so that shit only works for devices with a single interface?
2017-01-23T21:33:59 < englishman> like fs/hs?
2017-01-23T21:34:10 < zyp> no, interfaces
2017-01-23T21:34:36 < zyp> a single usb device can expose multiple interfaces in its configuration descriptor
2017-01-23T21:34:40 < englishman> theres another setting for max interfaces when initting
2017-01-23T21:34:46 < zyp> sure
2017-01-23T21:35:12 < zyp> but how do you specify which interface to send a report on if you have more than one, when the function takes no argument for that?
2017-01-23T21:35:44 < englishman> i forgot
2017-01-23T21:36:18 < englishman> its in there somewhere
2017-01-23T21:36:56 < zyp> and if anybody wonders why you would do that, here's an use case: usb keyboards with media keys usually have one HID interface for the standard keyboard and one for the media keys
2017-01-23T21:37:43 < Fleck> good to know
2017-01-23T21:37:56 < englishman> yeah
2017-01-23T21:38:07 < englishman> looks like the endpoint address is in that descriptor
2017-01-23T21:38:44 < zyp> I thought you said that was the device core handle
2017-01-23T21:39:25 < englishman> guess i cant run timecube on my keyboard then
2017-01-23T21:39:53 < Steffanx> No media keys for instant cat videos either -_-
2017-01-23T21:40:35 < aandrew> hahahaha https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EnXkFkBq/16265686_1051097301679678_1340601509681945328_n.jpg
2017-01-23T21:41:21 < Steffanx> That implies those woman had a man in the first place. 
2017-01-23T21:42:14 < aandrew> sssh don't ruin the joke
2017-01-23T21:42:40 < Steffanx> #partypoopers32
2017-01-23T21:43:31 < aandrew> if it's funny, I laugh yes
2017-01-23T21:43:35 < aandrew> sometimes it's inappropriate
2017-01-23T21:43:36 < Steffanx> What's wrong with jokes? Even when it's about KKK?
2017-01-23T21:43:58 < aandrew> but fuck it, I like funny jokes
2017-01-23T21:44:19 < aandrew> hell, one of my favourite jokes is about germans and nazis, and I'm german
2017-01-23T21:44:21 < zyp> aandrew, then why did you just link an unfunny one?
2017-01-23T21:44:28 < aandrew> hear about the new German microwave oven? Seats 500.
2017-01-23T21:44:30 < Steffanx> Jimmy Carr jokes are the best. They tend to be "inappropriate" :)
2017-01-23T21:44:34 < aandrew> zyp: because it is funny
2017-01-23T21:45:05 < Steffanx> What's the difference between a pizza and jews, aandrew?
2017-01-23T21:45:20 < aandrew> don't know
2017-01-23T21:45:28 < Steffanx> Pizzas dont scream in the oven.
2017-01-23T21:45:34 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-23T21:45:52 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: ok, I can appreciate that
2017-01-23T21:46:05 < aandrew> was teh pic I posted giving any one bad intentions?
2017-01-23T21:46:06 < Steffanx> You're German? Andrew doesn't sound german too me.
2017-01-23T21:46:19 < Steffanx> -o
2017-01-23T21:46:32 < aandrew> Steffanx: my heritage is. grandparents on mom's side fled Germany during the war
2017-01-23T21:46:43 < Steffanx> ooh
2017-01-23T21:47:29 < aandrew> on dad's side it's 1/2 german, but they were here longer. grandmother apparently was fluent in russian but I never knew that until a decade after she died. being associated with russia or communists was frowned upon back then
2017-01-23T21:48:19 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: What specifically was/were the issues they were protesting? I'm not denying them, just trying to get an idea of what you think they are
2017-01-23T21:48:33 < Steffanx> You forget to say "imho" all the time LeelooMinai :P
2017-01-23T21:48:37 < aandrew> (seriously, not any kind of attack, I enjoy discussing these things)
2017-01-23T21:49:23 < aandrew> yes, I know
2017-01-23T21:49:29 < aandrew> what were they protesting? his being elected?
2017-01-23T21:50:07 < aandrew> (I have a point, honestly)
2017-01-23T21:51:24 < aandrew> ok
2017-01-23T21:51:47 < aandrew> I think that's a pretty silly thing to protest at the outcome of a democratic election in (of all places) the USA
2017-01-23T21:52:02 < Rickta59> you must not have been watching how it happened
2017-01-23T21:52:05 < aandrew> all this energy and effort needed to be put in during the election, not after
2017-01-23T21:52:12 < aandrew> I watched this election pretty closely
2017-01-23T21:52:26 < aandrew> I'm by *no* means a trump supporter nor a clinton supporter
2017-01-23T21:52:41 < grafi_> thanks, I'll take a look at libopencm3. Having a hard time decide on which library to use though. SPL, HAL, cubemx/hal combo or just dive into CMSIS
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2017-01-23T21:52:42 < aandrew> I do believe they are both the worst of the bottom of the barrel
2017-01-23T21:52:45 < Rickta59> dems cock blocked a legititmate canidate .. which led to a matchup of the worst ever canidates
2017-01-23T21:53:28 < aandrew> Rickta59: yes and no. Outside of the young democrats I have been seeing/reading that Bernie actually had less support than it was made to be
2017-01-23T21:53:49 < Rickta59> i'm 57 years old .. everyone i know was voting for him
2017-01-23T21:53:57 < aandrew> what baffles me, and I suspect what baffles the entire republican party too, is how in the blue fuck Trump managed to win their primaries
2017-01-23T21:54:11 < Rickta59> what the medoia reported and what was really happening have all been distorted
2017-01-23T21:54:34 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: no, not pretend at all, but I don't think protesting against him will achieve anything in any form
2017-01-23T21:54:38 < aandrew> Rickta59: agreed again
2017-01-23T21:54:46 < Rickta59> can you imagine bennie hill being your president?
2017-01-23T21:54:53 < Rickta59> that is what has happened here
2017-01-23T21:54:59 < Rickta59> but an unkind bennie hill
2017-01-23T21:55:21 < Rickta59> agreed
2017-01-23T21:56:12 < Rickta59> it is like the entire population of the us read the george orwell novel 1984 and didn't understand it
2017-01-23T21:56:31 < Rickta59> and now they want to do away with education so they can insure they never do read it
2017-01-23T21:57:14 < Steffanx> Those 4 years will be over before you know it.
2017-01-23T21:57:53 < Rickta59> unless people march in the street .. which was the point of it
2017-01-23T21:58:04 < aandrew> be back in a bit, gotta go get hte kids
2017-01-23T21:58:13 < aandrew> would love to continue sane/civil discussion though
2017-01-23T22:01:14 < Steffanx> https://community.ugfx.io/topic/532-stm32f746g-disco-sync-problem/ ever got something useful out of this, or is that the reason why you went fleckGFX, Fleck?
2017-01-23T22:02:13 < Fleck> yes I did, not on uGFX tho, but, shouldn't be so hard on uGFX
2017-01-23T22:02:37 < Steffanx> "shouldn't" :P
2017-01-23T22:03:26 < Fleck> m?
2017-01-23T22:05:18 < Steffanx> Not sure what you meant. Did you meant that it shouldnt be hard using ugfx or you shouldnt be hard on ugfx?
2017-01-23T22:05:44  * Fleck facepalms...
2017-01-23T22:06:50 < Fleck> it is not hard to implement on uGFX, better Steffanx?
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2017-01-23T22:11:54 < Steffanx> Im mainly interested in the multiple layers mr Fleck. Mr Tectu makes it sounds the stuff to do it is already there, but .. somehow i get the idea that's not entirely true.
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2017-01-23T22:13:14 < Fleck> yeah, uGFX only uses one layer
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2017-01-23T22:27:04 < karlp> ffs, why on earth is that a picture LeelooMinai ?
2017-01-23T22:27:16 < zyp> karlp, why do you even bother
2017-01-23T22:27:42 < karlp> I try and be like the stock fund advice, "past performance is  no guarantee of future performance" and give everyone a chance always
2017-01-23T22:27:43 < Steffanx> karlp likes to keep trying.
2017-01-23T22:28:14 < karlp> apparently I've still managed to get a reputation for being grumpy, despite personallyu believing myself an optimisit
2017-01-23T22:28:19 < karlp> optimmimissmismsisit
2017-01-23T22:28:42 < karlp> what point? that c++' continues to give disastrouslyu unhelpful error messages?
2017-01-23T22:29:01 < karlp> aren't you meant to be living in the glorious c++ future where errors are sane and code is self explantory?
2017-01-23T22:29:11 < Steffanx> What's this newlyu "lyu"-ing karlp?
2017-01-23T22:29:24 < karlp> hang on, are you saying  you edited  _the picture_ to align the text?!
2017-01-23T22:29:51 < karlp> Steffanx: *shrugslyu*
2017-01-23T22:30:51 < zyp> LeelooMinai, heh, I read taht debugging article
2017-01-23T22:31:17 < zyp> «I couldn't track down the error without bisecting the code to locate the problem» doesn't strike me as overly useful
2017-01-23T22:32:56 < Steffanx> Sometimes one gets desperate zyp...
2017-01-23T22:33:09 < zyp> sure, I've suggested the same before
2017-01-23T22:33:31 < zyp> I'm just not sure what the lesson to be learned here is
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2017-01-23T22:36:22 < karlp> the steps in that article ar emostly, "use this magical handler I wrote" aren't they?
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2017-01-23T22:38:17 < zyp> pretty bad root cause analysis too
2017-01-23T22:38:27 < zyp> «This particular one was caused by erasing a FLASH memory block which was not aligned. It seems to me that somehow the internals of the processor got screwed up by this.»
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2017-01-23T22:38:50 < zyp> it's more likely that it took a shit on other flash areas
2017-01-23T22:39:45 < zyp> which caused invalid instructions, which would be cought by looking at the faulting instruction
2017-01-23T22:39:51 < zyp> or even compare-sections
2017-01-23T22:41:38 < karlp> bah, stupid motherboard won't usb boot properly.
2017-01-23T22:43:12 < karlp> looks like I'm going to have a burn a bloody dvd
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2017-01-23T22:43:29 < zyp> haha
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2017-01-23T22:45:23 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/2d7cb95c4ab5b83e6ad6e4cd991a3542650458740cff8bbfeac77882859a229d.gif
2017-01-23T22:47:23 < Steffanx> A DVD, what is that?
2017-01-23T22:50:00 < karlp> well, it's getting fucking old.
2017-01-23T22:50:19 < karlp> I had to find a winxp cd to be able to run the usb driver updates to make the keyboard work remember :)
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2017-01-23T22:53:16 < karlp> looks  like it was from 2010.
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2017-01-23T22:56:32 < karlp> so not interested in pc shopping
2017-01-23T22:58:23 < zyp> how the fuck is a 2010 computer that outdated?
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2017-01-23T23:01:00 < karlp> it has options for usb boot
2017-01-23T23:01:03 < karlp> they just don't work.
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2017-01-23T23:01:20 < zyp> tried the right usb port?
2017-01-23T23:01:28 < karlp> and I'm sick of trying the "enable/disable legacy, try the other ports, try the other other other ports"
2017-01-23T23:01:33 < zyp> or maybe you just fucked up your usb media
2017-01-23T23:01:42 < karlp> I have a dvd-rw, I just can't get the disks right now, stella's asleepð
2017-01-23T23:02:20 < zyp> how about going full retard and do PXE? :p
2017-01-23T23:02:50 < karlp> I don't even do that at work, not going to try and set up a pxe boot, for the first time, on a computer that fails to usb boot.
2017-01-23T23:03:03 < karlp> burn dvd, move on I think.
2017-01-23T23:03:13 < karlp> right now, move on means, "go watch swedish tv and maybe playstation"
2017-01-23T23:03:29 < zyp> haha
2017-01-23T23:05:43 < zyp> 0x when I started writing it, then 11 when it was finalized
2017-01-23T23:06:07 < zyp> haven't done any major changes since 14 came, so it's still built with 11
2017-01-23T23:07:40 < zyp> I should probably switch to 14 just for the new return type deduction stuff so I can throw out like a third of the usb descriptor code that's made redundant by it :p
2017-01-23T23:09:06 < zyp> well, I haven't gcc since 4.7, apparently
2017-01-23T23:09:07 < zyp> :p
2017-01-23T23:09:13 < zyp> +updated
2017-01-23T23:09:52 < zyp> just four years old or so :D
2017-01-23T23:15:35 < Steffanx> They won't come home. Didnt they tell you they went to the slaughterhouse LeelooMinai?
2017-01-23T23:17:01 < zyp> hmm, STL has got a bunch of neat stuff now
2017-01-23T23:17:05 < zyp> like std::chrono
2017-01-23T23:17:51 < zyp> I know
2017-01-23T23:17:58 < zyp> that's what makes it interesting
2017-01-23T23:18:01 < psprint_> Something somewhat full-packed: http://www.nvidia.com/object/jetson-tx1-dev-kit.html
2017-01-23T23:18:27 < zyp> LeelooMinai, haha, you're one to talk
2017-01-23T23:19:12 < zyp> IMO use standard types where it makes sense, no point in inventing your own time types when std::chrono exists
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2017-01-23T23:19:30 < zyp> just like you shouldn't invent your own integer types when there's stdint
2017-01-23T23:21:41 < zyp> many scenarios? it looks pretty thin to me
2017-01-23T23:22:25 < zyp> judging by the API std::chrono::duration is simply wrapping some arithmetic type with a ratio encoded in the template type
2017-01-23T23:22:38 < zyp> with some stuff for compile-time handling ratio conversion
2017-01-23T23:22:50 < zyp> seems pretty elegant to me
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2017-01-23T23:26:23 < zyp> if I'm understanding this right, you can do something like this: void delay(std::chrono::duration<uint32_t, std::micro> t) { delay_us(t.count()); }
2017-01-23T23:26:47 < zyp> and then you can pass in durations based on other ratios, which will then be converted to microseconds
2017-01-23T23:27:04 < zyp> like delay(3ms);
2017-01-23T23:28:11 < zyp> ratios can apparently be arbitrary too, and since the type coercion will happen in the caller, it can do constant folding of it even if it's passed into a function that can't be inlined
2017-01-23T23:28:40 < zyp> yes, std::micro is a specialization of std::ratio
2017-01-23T23:29:06 < zyp> «The class template std::ratio provides compile-time rational arithmetic support.»
2017-01-23T23:30:40 < zyp> ok, I like this, definitely going to use this whenever I find time to rewrite my scheduler code :p
2017-01-23T23:30:41 < Rickta59> man i've been asleep at the wheel .. when did they add operator literals?
2017-01-23T23:31:01 < zyp> you mean user defined operators? C++11
2017-01-23T23:31:07 < zyp> s/operators/literals/
2017-01-23T23:31:09 < Rickta59> the 1ms thing what is that?
2017-01-23T23:31:42 < Rickta59> i guess i should look around for a book on newer features of c++
2017-01-23T23:31:45 < zyp> Rickta59, that's operator""ms
2017-01-23T23:32:09 < Rickta59> that is kind of nice
2017-01-23T23:32:20 < zyp> 1ms equals std::chrono::milliseconds(1)
2017-01-23T23:33:08 < Rickta59> heh .. i've so long defined _50ms 
2017-01-23T23:37:51 < grafi_> Do any of you use any free IDE for arm dev?
2017-01-23T23:38:28 < Rickta59> I use the AC6 System Workbench (Eclipse + tools )
2017-01-23T23:38:43 < grafi_> LeelooMinai: openstm32, gnuarmeclipse project or something custom?
2017-01-23T23:40:14 < grafi_> ok
2017-01-23T23:41:22 < Rickta59> if you are using stm32 chips , the openstm32 thing makes it pretty convenient (openstm32 == system workbench from AC6)
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2017-01-23T23:43:56 < Rickta59> yeah i guess that is why I don't know about all those nifty features you are mentioning .. but it is fairly new .. 5.4.1
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2017-01-23T23:47:23 < Rickta59> can you use that with interrupts?
2017-01-23T23:47:35 < Rickta59> interrupt handlers I mean
2017-01-23T23:47:52 < zyp> no
2017-01-23T23:47:55 < zyp> I wish
2017-01-23T23:48:37 < zyp> I mean, you can if it's a non-capturing closure, but they are pretty useless
2017-01-23T23:49:03 < kakimir> proud of myself.. 3years after building my room I installed reading light to bed
2017-01-23T23:50:08 < zyp> I've experimented with closures before, the problem is that you don't end up with a signature you can stuff into the vector table
2017-01-23T23:50:31 < zyp> so you'd have to make proxies for all ISRs you'd want to use it for
2017-01-23T23:51:08 < Rickta59> kind of takes all the fun out of them
2017-01-23T23:51:19 < zyp> exactly
2017-01-23T23:51:32 < zyp> also, capturing closures requires a heap (to store captured variables)
2017-01-23T23:52:29 < Rickta59> or maybe you want to setup a timer function for a one time use .. pass it data .. execute when timer is triggered
2017-01-23T23:52:30 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you know, functionally they are full functions, they are just less verbose to write
2017-01-23T23:53:05 < zyp> not comparable.
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2017-01-23T23:53:42 < zyp> closures are useful for async code with a ton of callbacks
2017-01-23T23:53:56 < zyp> just look at javascript
2017-01-23T23:54:24 < zyp> what about the irq case?
2017-01-23T23:54:45 < zyp> for what?
2017-01-23T23:55:02 < zyp> I'm not sure what you're proposing
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2017-01-23T23:57:22 < zyp> register_interrupt(foo_periph_irq, super_high_prio, []{ do_something(); and_something_else(); });
2017-01-23T23:58:10 < zyp> this actually works, a pointer to that closure can be injected into the vector table directly if it's RW, i.e. located in RAM
2017-01-23T23:58:43 < zyp> but it's not very useful because it can't capture, as soon as you try that you get an incompatible signature
2017-01-23T23:59:55 < zyp> and that goes for any template tricks as well, because the thing is that the vector table doesn't allow you to pass any context along with the function pointer
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2017-01-24T00:00:35 < zyp> only thing that would work is programmatically generating thunks with extra arguments embedded and pointing the vectors to them
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2017-01-24T00:00:51 < zyp> of course you can, under the hood it is a proper function
2017-01-24T00:00:55 < zyp> I know, I remember I saw it
2017-01-24T00:03:04 < zyp> a noncapturing closure is just a plain function, a capturing closure is a functor, the rest is just syntactic sugar
2017-01-24T00:06:46 < zyp> when you think about it, most stuff makes sense :)
2017-01-24T00:09:55 < zyp> how's C++17 support in gcc btw? can you ask it for 17 or do you have to ask for 1z?
2017-01-24T00:11:40 < psprint_> Hah just tested declaring static "const uint32_t aSRC_Const_Buffer[ 2 * 576 / 2 * 720 (=414kB) ]", missed that it's int32 not int8, and program did run, transfer worked
2017-01-24T00:11:44 < zyp> keep in mind that 17 is still at least a few months from finalization
2017-01-24T00:12:19 < zyp> psprint_, on F4?
2017-01-24T00:12:43 < zyp> psprint_, given 1MB flash, I don't see why it wouldn't work
2017-01-24T00:13:17 < psprint_> zyp: F7, 512 kB ram, different memory modules, but continuous address space, hence the test – verify that buffer overlapping 2 different memory modules will work
2017-01-24T00:13:40 < zyp> uh, it says const, what makes you think it won't be located in flash?
2017-01-24T00:14:04 < psprint_> zyp: hmm even 1MB flash would work, its 414kB * 4 (because it's int32), but maybe the board has 2MB, forgotten that... But why doesn't SRAM overflow?
2017-01-24T00:14:08 < psprint_> ahso
2017-01-24T00:14:30 < zyp> yep
2017-01-24T00:14:36 < zyp> and rodata goes into flash
2017-01-24T00:17:40 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'm not really a fan of the idea of using experimental features, sounds like a potential maintenance hassle
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2017-01-24T00:17:54 < psprint_> hah tested dest (no const) buffer, uint32_t [2 * 576 / 2 * 720] – "region `RAM' overflowed by 1136280 bytes". Tested with "/ 4" – 414 kB buffer overlapping different SRAMS – working :)
2017-01-24T00:18:42 < psprint_> but I will not need this to downscale PAL 16-bit frame, will be using double bufferring, gathering bunch of lines, downscaling them
2017-01-24T00:19:31 < zyp> LeelooMinai, how come concepts have been passed up for inclusion over and over again if it's that usable? :p
2017-01-24T00:21:05 < englishman> http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/manufacturing/torontos-microforum-gives-vinyl-a-fresh-spin-opens-new-record-pressing-plant-182291/
2017-01-24T00:21:11 < englishman> what year is it.
2017-01-24T00:22:05 < ohsix> sup
2017-01-24T00:22:11 < ohsix> in a meeting with the daughter of the founder of cui inc
2017-01-24T00:22:38 < ohsix> they make wire and cable assembliez in bend
2017-01-24T00:22:47 < ohsix> going to be a kewl factory tour
2017-01-24T00:23:13 < Rickta59> snag a 5v 3A usb wall wart for me ohsix 
2017-01-24T00:23:57 < Rickta59> so can i use that concept feature to implement power of 2 constraints?
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2017-01-24T00:29:48 < Steffanx> Rest of the world: wtf is this
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2017-01-24T00:32:20 < Steffanx> Im one of the rest of the world. Most of the time when i see your code im: wtf. But probably mainly because i never reallybothered to look into fancy c++
2017-01-24T00:32:32 < Steffanx> (And i never liked templates)
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2017-01-24T00:38:31 < Steffanx> Cea_ = ?
2017-01-24T00:39:33 < Steffanx> Hmpf
2017-01-24T00:40:09 < Steffanx> For the casual reader (me) it adds noise :P
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2017-01-24T01:24:52 < psprint_> hym they made adafruit stm32 board with support for arduino IDE.. but maybe they only say it was hard adding
2017-01-24T01:24:57 < psprint_> https://www.adafruit.com/products/3056
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2017-01-24T01:34:43 < jadew> but not to Romania
2017-01-24T01:34:45 < jadew> so screw them
2017-01-24T01:35:25 < zyp> karlp, haha, I didn't see aandrew's tag-connect rant in zypsnips until now
2017-01-24T01:36:09 < zyp> I respectfully disagree with aandrew, tag-connect is awesome :p
2017-01-24T01:36:19 < jadew> haha LeelooMinai 
2017-01-24T01:37:21 < zyp> in my experience, the clip thing works perfectly fine until you lose it :p
2017-01-24T01:38:04 < zyp> which I got better at avoiding after the first time :p
2017-01-24T01:38:34 < zyp> LeelooMinai, the tag-connect you mean?
2017-01-24T01:38:54 < jadew> + pogo pins
2017-01-24T01:38:56 < zyp> sure, go ahead
2017-01-24T01:39:50 < zyp> I don't disagree
2017-01-24T01:40:10 < zyp> $50+shipping when I bought mine
2017-01-24T01:40:25 < zyp> and it has paid for itself many times over already
2017-01-24T01:40:35 < zyp> just in connectors saved
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2017-01-24T01:42:00 < zyp> it's not about times, it's about how many boards you use it on
2017-01-24T01:42:55 < zyp> sure
2017-01-24T01:43:10 < zyp> I mean, that's essentially what a tag-connect is, except it's not board specific
2017-01-24T01:43:20 < zyp> which is nice for flashing a ton of different boards
2017-01-24T01:43:50 < zyp> same goes for a jig :)
2017-01-24T01:44:19 < zyp> in either case you have to get the guide pins in their holes
2017-01-24T01:45:22 < jadew> are these too thick? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50x-P75-LM-1-02mm-100g-Spring-Test-Probe-Pogo-Pin-Spherical-Tip-Tool-16-5mm-Long-/291732449417?hash=item43ec9be889:g:dn8AAOSwAvJXB46J
2017-01-24T01:45:40 < zyp> for TC?
2017-01-24T01:45:47 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-24T01:46:34 < zyp> TC is 1.27mm, you don't have a lot of clearance if you're using 1.02mm dia
2017-01-24T01:46:46 < jadew> ah ha
2017-01-24T01:47:12 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you don't have to, but adhering to an existing standard is usually a good idea
2017-01-24T01:47:17 < jadew> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50Pcs-P50-B1-Dia-0-68mm-Length-16mm-75g-Spring-Test-Probe-Pogo-Pin-16mm-75g-/141894297283?hash=item21098f26c3:g:3fsAAOSw5dNWsb-r
2017-01-24T01:50:12 < jadew> nice
2017-01-24T01:51:46 < zyp> if they should have been there weeks ago, it's not that
2017-01-24T01:52:05 < zyp> the problem with chinese newyears is getting stuff now, not weeks ago
2017-01-24T01:53:01 < zyp> eh, sometimes they also have to sleep
2017-01-24T01:53:17 < zyp> since they don't have any time for that the rest of the year :p
2017-01-24T01:54:46 < jadew> I think my wife tricked me again
2017-01-24T01:55:14 < jadew> she promised she'd watch LOTR tonight, but she fell asleep instead
2017-01-24T01:56:12 < zyp> isn't that the same thing?
2017-01-24T01:56:20 < jadew> heh
2017-01-24T01:56:25 < zyp> I mean, if you were going to watch them all, eventually that would happen anyway, right?
2017-01-24T01:57:05 < jadew> sure, but not before
2017-01-24T01:57:35 < jadew> yeah, I'm getting some too
2017-01-24T01:57:43 < jadew> both sizes
2017-01-24T01:58:40 < zyp> I bought some once, but I found I'm too lazy to build jigs for shit
2017-01-24T02:01:01 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/JAkIb.JPG <- for arcin I just put female connectors on the bottom of a board for a test jig
2017-01-24T02:01:20 < zyp> and the nfc reader didn't even need a test jig, it only has usb and nfc
2017-01-24T02:01:34 < zyp> so I just plug it in, flash it, scan a card and plug it out
2017-01-24T02:02:04 < zyp> and I wouldn't want to skip having to plug in the usb-connector
2017-01-24T02:02:24 < zyp> after all, most test fails I've had on arcin is the usb-connector not being soldered properly :p
2017-01-24T02:02:43 < zyp> hard to test that by just accessing usb through test points
2017-01-24T02:03:41 < zyp> in that sense, I find test points to be of limited value
2017-01-24T02:06:18 < zyp> yeah, but that's for testing firmware, not testing that the board doesn't have any component/soldering defects, right?
2017-01-24T02:07:24 < zyp> for stuff like that, why not just solder test leads directly to the board? that's what I do
2017-01-24T02:08:42 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/9kGPA.JPG <- like this shit, got the wires from the LA soldered directly to the control signals on the gate drivers
2017-01-24T02:10:04 < zyp> aren't they pluggable on the LA? get lead set dedicated for soldering to boards
2017-01-24T02:10:38 < zyp> hehe, that's one of my early projects, before I had better shit for debugging
2017-01-24T02:12:09 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/yLKZr.JPG <- LA soldered to the bottom, signal cable soldered to the top
2017-01-24T02:12:32 < zyp> I actually have a header-row soldered horizontally on the bottom, and a female-female LA cable
2017-01-24T02:13:12 < zyp> oh, and protoboard to hold the tag-connect in place because that was after I lost my first clip and hadn't bought more yet :p
2017-01-24T02:13:48 < zyp> the holes in protoboard lines up nicely enough to give enough friction to keep it in place
2017-01-24T02:13:55 < zyp> nah
2017-01-24T02:14:15 < zyp> if I did it today, I would probably have went with L0
2017-01-24T02:14:33 < zyp> I went with F3 because I don't want to dick around with F1 GPIO block
2017-01-24T02:15:04 < zyp> and at the time, F3 were the cheapest option when excluding F1
2017-01-24T02:15:20 < zyp> L4 were far from existing
2017-01-24T02:16:01 < zyp> LeelooMinai, HID IO for arcade game controllers
2017-01-24T02:16:11 < zyp> 4-pin connectors for buttons with lights
2017-01-24T02:16:33 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-24T02:17:26 < zyp> the SPI interface is for playstation controller compatibility, shit like this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Cw2NQ.JPG
2017-01-24T02:18:24 < zyp> no, the playstation game on the monitor
2017-01-24T02:18:33 < zyp> seems like I didn't take any ingame photos :p
2017-01-24T02:18:51 < upgrdman> anyone know how public wifi places (like restaurants, etc.) deal with problems caused by their patrons? i know they block torrenting etc, but you can still cause trouble over HTTP.
2017-01-24T02:19:28 < ReadError> they arent worried about the 10% that will circumvent 
2017-01-24T02:19:56 < ReadError> cuz you can do an SSH tunnel over port 80 for anything
2017-01-24T02:20:02 < upgrdman> ReadError, sure.
2017-01-24T02:20:02 < Laurenceb_> gamer isis confirmed
2017-01-24T02:20:28 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/823676170592022530
2017-01-24T02:20:34 < ReadError> are they like this in UK Laurenceb_ ?
2017-01-24T02:20:37 < zyp> LeelooMinai, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/3bQPi.mp4
2017-01-24T02:20:45 < Laurenceb_> 1 sec
2017-01-24T02:20:59  * Laurenceb_ ran out of ram :(
2017-01-24T02:21:04 < zyp> excuse the bad audio, I had input gain set too high when I recorded that :p
2017-01-24T02:21:35 < zyp> (and I'm pretty shit at that game too)
2017-01-24T02:22:10 < englishman> zyp: got some of these in digikey order
2017-01-24T02:22:12 < englishman> https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/avx-corporation/009188006020062/478-5491-1-ND/2024954
2017-01-24T02:22:38 < englishman> boo your skintag-connect
2017-01-24T02:22:47 < zyp> for swd? cute
2017-01-24T02:23:10 < Laurenceb_> ReadError: I dunno, I shoot them on sight
2017-01-24T02:23:37 < englishman> possibly. 1mm pitch. itl be tag connect-ish footprint. but i can also use it on an automated programmer pcb fixture
2017-01-24T02:24:39 < zyp> hmm, that dslogic is pretty fast
2017-01-24T02:24:51 < ReadError> hows that better than TC?
2017-01-24T02:24:58 < ReadError> expensive per board
2017-01-24T02:25:00 < zyp> haha, 4 pins
2017-01-24T02:25:04 < zyp> that's what I suspected
2017-01-24T02:25:44 < englishman> thats really cool zyp, is that arcin?
2017-01-24T02:25:46 < englishman> the video
2017-01-24T02:25:58 < zyp> englishman, yeah
2017-01-24T02:26:43 < englishman> ReadError: its the part that goes on the programmer size
2017-01-24T02:26:45 < englishman> side
2017-01-24T02:26:52 < englishman> it has spring loaded contacts
2017-01-24T02:26:56 < zyp> englishman, this too: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/rP6Cq.mp4
2017-01-24T02:27:01 < zyp> and I'm shit at that game too
2017-01-24T02:27:04 < ReadError> using edge connector?
2017-01-24T02:28:08 < englishman> is the controller homemade?
2017-01-24T02:28:11 < ReadError> oh nm 
2017-01-24T02:28:25 < zyp> the first one is, the second one is chinese made
2017-01-24T02:28:44 < zyp> the shitty controller board it originally came with is what inspired me to make something better
2017-01-24T02:29:18 < jadew> is that you playing?
2017-01-24T02:29:19 < englishman> ah, so thats what arcin does
2017-01-24T02:29:26 < zyp> jadew, yeah
2017-01-24T02:29:30 < jadew> wow
2017-01-24T02:29:38 < englishman> you can see his sexy beard in the 1st video
2017-01-24T02:29:41 < jadew> looks hard to play
2017-01-24T02:29:43 < zyp> like I said, I'm shit at that :p
2017-01-24T02:31:31 < zyp> LeelooMinai, they don't happen to have a way to chain them to get more channels?
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2017-01-24T02:32:03 < zyp> because 16 channels is too little if you want to monitor a 16b wide bus plus control lines
2017-01-24T02:32:28  * jadew was going to build a LA, but gave up on that project
2017-01-24T02:32:51 < zyp> and 100MHz is too slow if you want to monitor a bus that's faster than 50MHz :p
2017-01-24T02:32:56 < jadew> started with the software and kind of... switched to other stuff
2017-01-24T02:33:24 < zyp> jadew, doing LA software seems a waste of time given sigrok exists
2017-01-24T02:33:32 < jadew> yeah, but sigrok sucks
2017-01-24T02:34:00 < englishman> helo
2017-01-24T02:34:08 < jadew> even my old LA software I did for that obls LA was better than current sigrok
2017-01-24T02:34:12 < englishman> yes!
2017-01-24T02:34:16 < ReadError> did u get ownership of 'crt' ?
2017-01-24T02:34:18 < zyp> jadew, maybe, but so would probably anything you do yourself
2017-01-24T02:34:35 < jadew> zyp, nah, I already did better
2017-01-24T02:34:39 < ReadError> lol why did you switch to stvn then
2017-01-24T02:34:41 < englishman> https://goo.gl/photos/By22cN91XhKMHfzW8
2017-01-24T02:34:49 < jadew> and the one I was doing now was much better than the first one
2017-01-24T02:34:49 < zyp> jadew, better how?
2017-01-24T02:35:00 < jadew> zyp, better functionality, UX, etc
2017-01-24T02:35:15 < zyp> that's a pretty generic claim :p
2017-01-24T02:35:26 < englishman> id say saleae logic is equally bad
2017-01-24T02:35:35 < englishman> crt: also helped me change the fishy water https://goo.gl/photos/auRvjC8kjpZ2RAUb6
2017-01-24T02:35:36 < jadew> everyone that tried it said that it's better than everything they used
2017-01-24T02:35:49 < jadew> that included saleae
2017-01-24T02:35:53 < ReadError> cat: confirmed 
2017-01-24T02:36:14 < jadew> my LA software
2017-01-24T02:36:30 < ReadError> jadew: pix or lies
2017-01-24T02:36:36 < zyp> saleae software was okay, and then they fucked it up in an update
2017-01-24T02:36:46 < jadew> I pulled it, cuz it was for an opensource device and it was conflicting with my interests
2017-01-24T02:36:48 < jadew> let me find some pix
2017-01-24T02:37:38 < aandrew> I really like saleae software with the $3 FX2LP devkit :-)
2017-01-24T02:37:49 < aandrew> and I also appreciate that sigrok works flawlessly with it
2017-01-24T02:38:05 < ReadError> is there a nything for fx3 ?
2017-01-24T02:38:13 < aandrew> I wrote some nasty-ass shell script to take the capture stream out of a sigrok dump and give me I2C events
2017-01-24T02:38:19 < ReadError> that would be kewl 
2017-01-24T02:38:25 < aandrew> ReadError: yeah, a real saleae :-)
2017-01-24T02:38:55 < ReadError> aandrew: is that what the new one is?
2017-01-24T02:39:18 < zyp> I saw the other day that Acute got some neat stuff now
2017-01-24T02:39:24 < zyp> http://www.acute.com.tw/eng/p3_product_detail.php?cid=1&tid=19 <- this thing
2017-01-24T02:39:39 < zyp> but it's probably just as expensive as it looks :p
2017-01-24T02:39:42 < aandrew> ReadError: yeah pretty sure
2017-01-24T02:40:28 < zyp> yeah, I'd only buy the 68ch variant
2017-01-24T02:42:54 < jadew> http://5.12.8.185/la.html
2017-01-24T02:43:07 < jadew> I guess those screenshots don't really show most of the features
2017-01-24T02:43:23 < jadew> but it had great decoders, great search functionality
2017-01-24T02:43:49 < jadew> (pretty sure it's better than what the current ones have - saleae didn't even have that back then)
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2017-01-24T02:44:10 < zyp> didn't have what?
2017-01-24T02:44:15 < jadew> search functionality
2017-01-24T02:44:45 < zyp> haha, that looks like a saleae ripoff
2017-01-24T02:45:11 < zyp> thought you said sigrok
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2017-01-24T02:46:37 < jadew> I'm gonna delete that page and pictures now
2017-01-24T02:46:41 < jadew> everyone seen them?
2017-01-24T02:46:44 < aandrew> holy shit, 4GHz timing analysis?
2017-01-24T02:47:00 < aandrew> even 250MHz state is nice
2017-01-24T02:47:16 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-24T02:47:35 < zyp> last I were considering a new LA, I wanted something that could do PATA
2017-01-24T02:48:16 < zyp> LeelooMinai, 500MHz max for timing analysis, datasheet says
2017-01-24T02:48:44 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-24T02:49:21 < zyp> http://www.acute.com.tw/eng/p3_product_detail.php?cid=1&tid=2 <- I think this is what I looked at before, it was somewhere between $1500-$2000 IIRC
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2017-01-24T02:50:23 < jadew> that looks pretty nice
2017-01-24T02:50:35 < zyp> jadew, dongs says it's good at least
2017-01-24T02:50:39 < jadew> haha LeelooMinai 
2017-01-24T02:50:43 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-24T03:00:23 < fenugrec> hm, probing setup for 4GHz timing will be interesting
2017-01-24T03:01:48 < upgrdman> fenugrec, just cut some coax and solder direct?
2017-01-24T03:02:15 < zyp> who haven't done that
2017-01-24T03:02:20 < fenugrec> heh
2017-01-24T03:02:24 < aandrew> they have goofy Mictor or something connectors too to facilitate that
2017-01-24T03:02:34 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/uNgNm.JPG
2017-01-24T03:02:41 < aandrew> zyp: high end scope probes are usually soldered to the board
2017-01-24T03:02:51 < upgrdman> well if you're going to plan ahead, then just put a u.fl connector or someshit on the board
2017-01-24T03:03:03 < zyp> yeah, for rf shit that's pretty common
2017-01-24T03:03:12 < aandrew> LOL
2017-01-24T03:03:21 < aandrew> googled for "2ghz active probe" and got THIS picture: http://s7.images.keysight.com/is/image/Keysight/PROD-1912753-04?$MAIN$
2017-01-24T03:03:39 < upgrdman> aandrew, well that WILL pick up lots of 2GHz stuff
2017-01-24T03:03:42 < zyp> haha
2017-01-24T03:03:45 < upgrdman> might not be what you're probing though
2017-01-24T03:03:48 < jadew> heh
2017-01-24T03:03:54 < aandrew> heh
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2017-01-24T03:09:58 < englishman> those ufl connectors that act as a passthru when unconnected are pretty handy
2017-01-24T03:11:46 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-24T03:12:20 < zyp> hmm, and then there's that other shit that's even smaller, but has a huge connector thing that plugs in
2017-01-24T03:12:35 < zyp> some of the phone prototypes I worked with used that, but I forgot what it's called
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2017-01-24T03:13:24 < englishman> w.fl?
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2017-01-24T03:18:23 < zyp> might have been MS-156
2017-01-24T03:19:29 < zyp> http://domantenn.ru/upload/iblock/6bf/zoom_adapter_sma_female_ms156_male.jpg <- looked something like this
2017-01-24T03:19:40 < englishman> ah yes, huge connector
2017-01-24T03:19:53 < zyp> IIRC there were some locking mechanism on the plug to keep it in place too
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2017-01-24T04:32:21 < ohsix> heh
2017-01-24T04:33:14 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/xyTwMQc.jpg
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2017-01-24T04:33:39 < ohsix> zero chance of clicking
2017-01-24T04:33:46 < ohsix> in room with lots of other people and some kids
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2017-01-24T04:43:13 < aandrew> yeah IPA doesn't kill shit unless you douse them in it, and at that point you're just drowning them
2017-01-24T04:43:25 < aandrew> I was very disappointed, I heard flies will drop dead flying into a cloud o fit
2017-01-24T04:43:33 < aandrew> they do drop... out if it and then fly away
2017-01-24T04:43:53 < aandrew> spiders and ladybugs run away from it unless you overwhelm them and then they die because they're saturated in it
2017-01-24T04:44:50 < ReadError> Why doesnt spider poison / traps exist?
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2017-01-24T04:50:04 < jadew> they made a show after the movie Frequency
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2017-01-24T04:50:41 < jadew> I'm 7 min in, seems shit so far
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2017-01-24T04:57:12 < jadew> crt, why did you change your nickname again?
2017-01-24T04:58:51 < aandrew> well lcd was taken
2017-01-24T04:59:16 < jadew> heh
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2017-01-24T05:03:51 < jadew> no
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2017-01-24T05:29:38 < dongs> currently routing 0.8mm pitch not-stm32
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2017-01-24T05:29:54 < englishman> bought some f427vi today
2017-01-24T05:30:15 < englishman> and some new pants
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2017-01-24T05:35:18 < englishman> arrival was pretty good
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2017-01-24T05:43:28 < dongs> watched xvid? or theater
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2017-01-24T05:43:44 < aandrew> I just watched arrival
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2017-01-24T05:43:51 < aandrew> kind of silly
2017-01-24T05:44:03 < jadew> no spoilers pls
2017-01-24T05:44:08 < aandrew> no no
2017-01-24T05:44:11 < jadew> is it above 5 at least?
2017-01-24T05:44:13 < aandrew> yes
2017-01-24T05:44:16 < fenugrec> anyone here run their own email server / domain ? or does everybody just sell their soul to gmail nowadays
2017-01-24T05:44:19 < aandrew> I mean I liked it well enough
2017-01-24T05:44:24 < aandrew> got some decent twist to it
2017-01-24T05:44:28 < aandrew> but that's all I'll say
2017-01-24T05:44:34 < aandrew> fenugrec: I run mixdown.ca
2017-01-24T05:44:42 < jadew> still good, I've been meaning to see it
2017-01-24T05:44:43 < aandrew> I believe in vertical integration
2017-01-24T05:44:58 < jadew> fenugrec, I am
2017-01-24T05:45:05 < jadew> oh, email server
2017-01-24T05:45:07 < jadew> no
2017-01-24T05:45:12 < jadew> you don't want to do that
2017-01-24T05:45:25 < jadew> LeelooMinai, hehe
2017-01-24T05:45:27 < fenugrec>  how much of a nightmare is it - worse than, or 10x worse than running the average linux distro ?
2017-01-24T05:45:47 < jadew> fenugrec, running an email server means that you need good uptime
2017-01-24T05:46:16 < jadew> if you have good uptime, you're fine
2017-01-24T05:46:16 < fenugrec> indeed
2017-01-24T05:46:29 < jadew> it's not a problem if you go offline for an hour
2017-01-24T05:46:57 < jadew> failed deliveries will be retried, but if you go off longer, your email address can get marked as a hard bounce
2017-01-24T05:47:26 < jadew> and you risk not getting any more emails from that sender/service
2017-01-24T05:47:28 < fenugrec> bleh, that, and having a public-facing server... probably not worth the trouble
2017-01-24T05:47:34 < aandrew> fenugrec: not really
2017-01-24T05:47:55 < aandrew> I run postfix, I have it buttoned down fairly tight, and test it semi-annually against a couple website checkers
2017-01-24T05:47:55 < fenugrec> aandrew not really what ? a nightmare, or worth the trouble ?
2017-01-24T05:48:01 < aandrew> not really a nightmare
2017-01-24T05:48:04 < fenugrec> ah, heh
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2017-01-24T05:48:23 < jadew> yeah, I have an internet facing server too
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2017-01-24T05:48:57 < jadew> I took most of the sites down, but just because I'm trying to minimize my footprint
2017-01-24T05:49:24 < jadew> (so I can concentrate it in a single spot)
2017-01-24T05:49:26 < aandrew> what I found hell was tightening down SSL on my webserver
2017-01-24T05:49:40 < aandrew> seemed to take a LOT of fucking around to get an "A" grade on the checker sites
2017-01-24T05:49:40 < jadew> aandrew, why?
2017-01-24T05:49:56 < jadew> you just need a certificate from a good CA
2017-01-24T05:49:58 < aandrew> jadew: just finicky settings
2017-01-24T05:50:00 < aandrew> no
2017-01-24T05:50:03 < aandrew> there's more to it than that
2017-01-24T05:50:11 < aandrew> lol
2017-01-24T05:50:19 < jadew> what's more?
2017-01-24T05:50:21 < fenugrec> good points guys, thanks. I probably wouldn't have a decent enough uptime, and I often stop my server in the summer (too hot!)
2017-01-24T05:50:48 < jadew> fenugrec, there are free email hosting services out there, for your own domain
2017-01-24T05:50:49 < jadew> use one of those
2017-01-24T05:51:17 < jadew> I have a google account since it was free
2017-01-24T05:51:25 < jadew> and I have all the services for free
2017-01-24T05:51:40 < jadew> not anymore
2017-01-24T05:51:52 < jadew> the domain services
2017-01-24T05:51:54 < aandrew> jadew: like this: http://pastebin.com/e4QZu5y0
2017-01-24T05:51:59 < jadew> not the user@gmail stuff
2017-01-24T05:52:20 < jadew> aandrew, ah, the apache config?
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2017-01-24T05:52:57 < aandrew> yeah
2017-01-24T05:53:07 < fenugrec> aandrew that pastebin just convinced me P))
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2017-01-24T05:53:11 < aandrew> tweaking that shit to disable old/weak ciphers, prefer better ones and not use the ones that drag down the server
2017-01-24T05:53:13 < jadew> didn't know it takes that many settings
2017-01-24T05:53:24 < aandrew> well
2017-01-24T05:53:39 < aandrew> that's not necessary, I just wanted to tighten it down without killing the ability to hit it from different browsers
2017-01-24T05:55:43 < jadew> aandrew, that's a small site :)
2017-01-24T05:56:09 < aandrew> yes, it is
2017-01-24T05:56:23 < jadew> I had a couple of similarly sized ones, maybe a bit bigger
2017-01-24T05:56:42 < jadew> and decided to just take them down because I couldn't take care of any of them anymore
2017-01-24T05:56:51 < aandrew> that box runs redmine, gitlab, postfix, gnusocial, syncthing and the usual suspects (ssh, nginx, etc.)
2017-01-24T05:57:34 < aandrew> spin the needle and make it drill vias :-)
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2017-01-24T05:58:00 < jadew> you can then do via stitching
2017-01-24T05:58:42 < aandrew> jadew: fuck you, you stole my line
2017-01-24T05:58:51 < jadew> :P
2017-01-24T05:58:59 < aandrew> I practically gave it to you
2017-01-24T05:59:01 < aandrew> bah
2017-01-24T05:59:05 < jadew> hehe
2017-01-24T06:01:41 < englishman> fenugrec: gmail, or G Suite for your own domain is totally worth the $3/month
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2017-01-24T06:02:17 < fenugrec> englishman I'm quite a cheap fck, but I'll consider it
2017-01-24T06:02:20 < englishman> running your own email host + webclient is frustrating as fuck not to mention totally dumb
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2017-01-24T06:02:30 < fenugrec> yeah, that's what I'm realizing
2017-01-24T06:02:32 < englishman> i switched to G SUITE in march and didnt look back
2017-01-24T06:02:41 < dongs> gshit wat
2017-01-24T06:02:46 < englishman> the new google apps
2017-01-24T06:02:46 < ReadError> im a freerider
2017-01-24T06:02:47 < englishman> for work
2017-01-24T06:02:49 < dongs> o
2017-01-24T06:02:53 < dongs> im still payingh zero
2017-01-24T06:02:54 < ReadError> milkin dat grandfather 
2017-01-24T06:02:55 < dongs> i wonder how much longer
2017-01-24T06:03:01 < englishman> yeah i have grandfathered account too
2017-01-24T06:03:01 < jadew> me too
2017-01-24T06:03:05 < jadew> I hope forever
2017-01-24T06:03:27 < englishman> but its like $3/month who cares
2017-01-24T06:03:35 < englishman> that shitty time tracking app wants $12/month
2017-01-24T06:03:36 < ReadError> per user tho right?
2017-01-24T06:03:41 < englishman> sure, but im only one guy
2017-01-24T06:03:44 < jadew> that's $36/yr
2017-01-24T06:03:52 < jadew> I can get something for that money
2017-01-24T06:03:53 < ReadError> can you have aliases ?
2017-01-24T06:03:54 < ReadError> free
2017-01-24T06:03:56 < englishman> sure
2017-01-24T06:04:08 < englishman> its the same shit as the grandfathered free one
2017-01-24T06:04:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/u7ycZDY.png tada
2017-01-24T06:04:25 < englishman> jadew: can you get a better monitor than 1024x768?
2017-01-24T06:04:39 < jadew> haha, I changed the resolution
2017-01-24T06:04:43 < englishman> single sided too
2017-01-24T06:05:40 < fenugrec> I was grandfathered in with this provider since 2012... grandfather is dying this summer. Not digging the all-in-one googlefest though. I like my email to be just email thank you
2017-01-24T06:06:10 < ReadError> googles grandfather is dying?
2017-01-24T06:06:13 < ReadError> or the other provider
2017-01-24T06:06:16 < fenugrec> dongs heh some red dots are going to be hell to get outta there
2017-01-24T06:06:20 < fenugrec> ReadErrorother grandfath
2017-01-24T06:06:24 < ReadError> it is just email
2017-01-24T06:06:31 < ReadError> assuming thats all you log into
2017-01-24T06:06:36 < dongs> fenugrec: which ones? its all routed
2017-01-24T06:06:47 < ReadError> only give them MX
2017-01-24T06:06:53 < ReadError> not much else they can take
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2017-01-24T06:08:31 < englishman> dongs: im unable to watch cams
2017-01-24T06:08:38 < englishman> the dvdscr is out for a while
2017-01-24T06:09:06 < fenugrec> dongs oh wasn't sure if all the balls needed to be routed, but the green and pale yellow traces squeeze 2 red cirlces pretty tight
2017-01-24T06:09:07 < dongs> ya i grabbed it but busy
2017-01-24T06:09:10 < dongs> bd will be out in feb
2017-01-24T06:09:13 < dongs> i might as well just not care
2017-01-24T06:09:30 < dongs> fenugrec: yea, all done, routed out everything that was needed
2017-01-24T06:09:56 < dongs> everythign else is nc or not used by my shit
2017-01-24T06:11:22 < fenugrec> ah
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2017-01-24T07:42:45 < dongs> crt: 
2017-01-24T07:42:47 < dongs> -!- CraiZE [~email@vodsl-9752.vo.lu] has joined #electronics
2017-01-24T07:42:47 < dongs> <CraiZE> hi
2017-01-24T07:42:47 < dongs> <kevtris> ballz
2017-01-24T07:42:47 < dongs> <CraiZE> oh no
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2017-01-24T07:43:26 < dongs> eh
2017-01-24T07:43:31 < dongs> zyp, there's a 4L opening
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2017-01-24T08:25:16 < ReadError> yes famous efnet chatter
2017-01-24T08:26:07 < ohsix> lul
2017-01-24T08:26:12 < ohsix> today was kewl
2017-01-24T08:26:25 < ohsix> got to talk more with the owner of the hobby shop here, asked about the naze
2017-01-24T08:26:51 < ohsix> he didn't know how to pronounce it or what it meant huhuhu, but also said nobody builds shit anymore
2017-01-24T08:27:01 < ohsix> so he doesn't sell them anymore
2017-01-24T08:27:22 < ohsix> networking is ossum
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2017-01-24T08:27:35 < ohsix> someone else is doing the work contacting the companies and setting up  meetings and i'm just there
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2017-01-24T08:28:16 < ohsix> also doing all the paperwork
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2017-01-24T08:29:37 < ReadError> nobody builds anymore?
2017-01-24T08:29:45 < ReadError> more like, people dont buy stuff from him
2017-01-24T08:29:58 < ohsix> they buy stuff
2017-01-24T08:30:04 < ohsix> just not that
2017-01-24T08:30:11 < ohsix> like dji and autopilot shit
2017-01-24T08:30:33 < ohsix> nobody building 250s but the people that race here, and they're getting them from the vendors directly
2017-01-24T08:31:10 < ohsix> oh, but yea
2017-01-24T08:31:27 < ohsix> buy stuff from him is also true, but it doesn't fit with what i was talking about
2017-01-24T08:31:41 < ohsix> the people that are buyign stuff are not buying esc's and radios and shit
2017-01-24T08:31:52 < ReadError> erm every racing 250 is built
2017-01-24T08:32:02 < ReadError> everyone serious about it anyways
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2017-01-24T08:32:48 < ohsix> i know you're not thick bro
2017-01-24T08:33:02 < ohsix> in a city of 90k how many of those people do you think there are, and don't know about hobbyking
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2017-01-24T08:34:18 < ohsix> lul
2017-01-24T08:34:22 < ohsix> the owner looks young as fuck
2017-01-24T08:34:30 < ohsix> i thoguht the woman he was with last time was his girlfriend
2017-01-24T08:34:40 < ohsix> but it is his daughter, who is only 16
2017-01-24T08:35:39 < ohsix> i've met a lot of business people that are awesome / as or more interesting than people doing shit that i'm really into
2017-01-24T08:37:13 < ohsix> butt shit
2017-01-24T08:37:24 < ohsix> i'll have to make a file or something on the vendors i can get shit done from now
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2017-01-24T08:37:35 < ohsix> you guys' might even have business for some of them
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2017-01-24T08:38:32 < zyp> dongs, oh, nice
2017-01-24T08:38:42 < zyp> how long time do I have to finish the design?
2017-01-24T08:41:33 < ohsix> from my perspective, instead of buying a scope and soldering station and a bunch of equipment, i got a building with all that shit in it for free
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2017-01-24T08:42:37 < ReadError> free?
2017-01-24T08:42:49 < ohsix> they pay me occasionally
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2017-01-24T08:47:28 < ohsix> one dude talks me up to everyone and i get to act all modest
2017-01-24T08:48:46 < ohsix> most shit is like a social context and not technical too, so they may never find out otherwise, it's great
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2017-01-24T08:51:59 < ohsix> nice, my craptop ram will be here tomorrow, was expecting friday
2017-01-24T08:52:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: i think my goop got lost in the mail
2017-01-24T08:54:09 < upgrdman> ohsix, bummer. when did you buy it
2017-01-24T08:54:33 < upgrdman> i bought mine dec 23 iirc, so it took a while to get to me
2017-01-24T08:54:52 < ohsix> dec 24
2017-01-24T08:55:02 < ohsix> i've gotten the things i ordered before, and after then
2017-01-24T08:55:10 < ReadError> yall really into this goop stuff huh
2017-01-24T08:55:13 < ohsix> and the one after was jan05
2017-01-24T08:55:38 < ohsix> ReadError: lul he was asking about cleaning junk and i mentioned it, it's like a buck, i ordered some when he did
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2017-01-24T08:56:40 < zyp> dongs, I'll be out most of today, but I'll start finishing up the design tonight, there's just some minor stuff left
2017-01-24T08:58:06 < ohsix> fff those jyetech scopes have some annoying bugs
2017-01-24T08:58:12 < ohsix> +software
2017-01-24T08:58:37 < ReadError> > jyetech
2017-01-24T08:59:05 < ohsix> tried to use mine earlier and i thought i broke it being in my bag, was showing -40v max input; if you approach the controls for time/voltage from different directions and in different ways, it can just get fucked with stuck samples that mess with that measurement
2017-01-24T08:59:15 < ohsix> so auto centering and stuff is just broke, since it is based on that measurement
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2017-01-24T08:59:41 < ohsix> ReadError: lul even with the bugs, dso shell is pretty damn handy for 25bux yo
2017-01-24T09:00:58 < ohsix> i wish they'd do a newer version of the 20ms/s scopes they have, with the stm32 and the color lcd
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2017-01-24T09:01:48 < ohsix> that one is structual pcb, an avr, and a transflective 1bpp display http://www.jyetech.com/Products/LcdScope/e096.php
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2017-01-24T11:04:49 < dongs> zyp: oh, then not sure if can do or not. we'll see
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2017-01-24T11:08:39 < dongs> i think it s going out tonight like in an hour or something
2017-01-24T11:34:25 < psprint_> dongs: have you seen what I've pasted yesterday, another Arduino-related stuff :P Board where Adafruit made big effort to make it compatible with Arduino IDE: https://www.adafruit.com/products/3056
2017-01-24T11:37:49 < psprint_> hmm apparently there was a general effort for this https://github.com/rogerclarkmelbourne/Arduino_STM32
2017-01-24T11:38:09 < dongs> yeah, useelss
2017-01-24T11:38:23 < dongs> whats the point
2017-01-24T11:38:27 < psprint_> yeah
2017-01-24T11:39:30 < psprint_> but I'm doing similar stuff, do awkward connections, and they almost always yield something interesting, so let them stick to their beloved IE
2017-01-24T11:39:33 < psprint_> IDE*
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2017-01-24T12:15:28 < ReadError> roo fuckers
2017-01-24T12:16:12 < Jak_o_Shadows1> emu*
2017-01-24T12:16:19 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Occassionally wombats
2017-01-24T12:16:22 < Jak_o_Shadows1> never cassowarys
2017-01-24T12:16:42 < ReadError> crt: still dicking with this OxyGen
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2017-01-24T12:19:02 < ReadError> ever fight a dropbear crt ?
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2017-01-24T12:21:15 < ReadError> did you win m8?
2017-01-24T12:21:32 < PeterM>  welkl hes here tlakin'
2017-01-24T12:21:55 < Jak_o_Shadows1> See, what you can't tell via irc is that crt only has one arm now
2017-01-24T12:24:23 < ReadError> hows that work
2017-01-24T12:26:09 < ReadError> wouldnt it have been more effective to sell ur arse?
2017-01-24T12:28:53 < psprint_> How to check ram usage at start?
2017-01-24T12:29:44 < ReadError> the autism dole is whats up
2017-01-24T12:33:40 < psprint_>    text    data     bss     dec     hex filename
2017-01-24T12:33:42 < psprint_>    7808      28  416388  424224   67920 CubeFullyEmpty.elf
2017-01-24T12:33:54 < psprint_> what's the ram usage? dec + something?
2017-01-24T12:34:05 < ReadError> ram or flash?
2017-01-24T12:34:09 < dongs> wut, lol
2017-01-24T12:34:52 < psprint_> ram, it apparently is included there, because I have 414 kB array
2017-01-24T12:35:16 < ReadError> .....
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2017-01-24T12:35:46 < psprint_> so you think it's that it's included in Flash and nowhere looking for correct ram usage in this?
2017-01-24T12:36:12 < emeryth> psprint_: https://mcuoneclipse.com/2013/04/14/text-data-and-bss-code-and-data-size-explained/
2017-01-24T12:36:32 < dongs> why the shit didnt you make that thing const
2017-01-24T12:36:44 < dongs> also look at hte fucking .map file
2017-01-24T12:36:48 < dongs> if your shitty ocmpiler makes one
2017-01-24T12:37:28 < psprint_> it's dma destination cannot be const
2017-01-24T12:37:34 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-01-24T12:37:45 < dongs> you're still progressing with the retarded idea we told you was wrong anyway?
2017-01-24T12:38:09 < ReadError> dongs: did u see what he wasted 3 days on b4?
2017-01-24T12:38:16 < dongs> autism?
2017-01-24T12:38:35 < ReadError> mostly
2017-01-24T12:39:25 < psprint_> dongs: yeah you told me to use shitty linux computer and shitty usb grabber instead of mcu with dcmi and trivial dma usage
2017-01-24T12:39:54 < dongs> ok good luck
2017-01-24T12:40:50 < ReadError> im smelling a little butthurt in the air
2017-01-24T12:41:47 < ReadError> yhbt
2017-01-24T12:43:59 < dongs> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9blob2tb1mekixb/Aido%20Jan%20Project%20Update.pdf?dl=0 loool
2017-01-24T12:44:02 < dongs> opensores eagle schematics
2017-01-24T12:44:05 < dongs> in dickstarter update
2017-01-24T12:46:07 < dongs> uhh what hte acutal fuck is going on there
2017-01-24T12:46:12 < dongs> PCA9685 is some I2C LED driver
2017-01-24T12:46:19 < ReadError> its a SBC android board?
2017-01-24T12:46:21 < dongs> they have fans and AUDIO JACKS connected to it
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2017-01-24T12:46:58 < dongs> i cant fuckign read thier autistic schematic cuz they pasted it across several sheets
2017-01-24T12:47:01 < dongs> trying to mspaint it togetehr
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2017-01-24T12:48:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FylL1DP.png
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2017-01-24T12:50:10 < ReadError> lol @ component drawings
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2017-01-24T12:51:54 < dongs> omg
2017-01-24T12:51:55 < dongs> what teh fuck
2017-01-24T12:52:01 < dongs> so they have L/R audio
2017-01-24T12:52:05 < dongs> going through CD4052
2017-01-24T12:52:11 < dongs> which is a 1:8 analog multiplexer
2017-01-24T12:53:31 < dongs> ah no
2017-01-24T12:53:34 < dongs> its 2ch:4
2017-01-24T12:53:53 < dongs> lets see whwere this audio is coming from
2017-01-24T12:55:46 < dongs> ok. at least they're not generating audio by I2C port expander
2017-01-24T12:55:57 < dongs> they're switching inputs from those 2 jacks
2017-01-24T12:56:04 < dongs> to the amp
2017-01-24T12:57:12 < Jak_o_Shadows1> I've looked at the map file. It is handy
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2017-01-24T13:03:26 < ReadError> when you find shitty kickstarters
2017-01-24T13:03:33 < ReadError> do you pledge the $1 just to talk shit
2017-01-24T13:03:45 < dongs> sometimes if ihave a throwaway cc
2017-01-24T13:04:09 < dongs> hasn't been anything that really pissed me off recently tho
2017-01-24T13:04:13 < dongs> last thing I did $1 on was packedpixels
2017-01-24T13:04:19 < dongs> and those faggots are now begging me to do ehtier work ffor htem
2017-01-24T13:04:19 < dongs> lol
2017-01-24T13:04:27 < ReadError> lol
2017-01-24T13:04:36 < ReadError> the ipad display shit?
2017-01-24T13:04:47 < dongs> ya
2017-01-24T13:04:54 < ReadError> fuck thats been forever ago
2017-01-24T13:04:56 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-24T13:05:00 < dongs> i think they finally shipped some garbage
2017-01-24T13:09:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/SjQclIQ.jpg bedtime reading for Laurenceb 
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2017-01-24T13:32:38 < ReadError> easier to just consult /pol/
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2017-01-24T14:29:28 < Laurenceb> old
2017-01-24T14:29:38 < Laurenceb> almost as old as the internets
2017-01-24T14:31:18 < Laurenceb> probably the first meme
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2017-01-24T14:42:48 < Laurenceb> somehow I dont think thats possible over the internets
2017-01-24T14:43:02  * Laurenceb is raging at his AGC code
2017-01-24T14:43:08 < Laurenceb> keeps oscillating :(
2017-01-24T14:44:19 < Laurenceb> whenever I try to make something with feedback I end up with an oscillator
2017-01-24T14:46:00 < Laurenceb> lulno
2017-01-24T14:46:21 < Laurenceb> actually I might be saturating the front end, there is sunlight shining across my desk
2017-01-24T14:46:36 < Laurenceb> a shocking development in UK
2017-01-24T14:47:09 < Laurenceb> its a "spectrometer" system
2017-01-24T14:47:15 < Laurenceb> only 7 wavelength tho
2017-01-24T14:47:29 < Laurenceb> AGC adjusts the pwm duty cycle to the LEDs
2017-01-24T14:48:20 < Laurenceb> lul it _seems_ to work
2017-01-24T14:48:35 < Laurenceb> but I know its going to break when it goes to customers
2017-01-24T14:48:53 < Laurenceb> cuz thats just how shit happens
2017-01-24T14:49:29 < Laurenceb> I suspect rounding errors threw off the AGC.. or I think so
2017-01-24T14:50:04 < Laurenceb> rounding + daylight saturation
2017-01-24T14:50:21 < Laurenceb> nasty code is nasty http://pastebin.com/6TfirKT7
2017-01-24T14:50:29 < Laurenceb> thats the plan
2017-01-24T14:51:11 < Laurenceb> line 17 seems to fix my shit...
2017-01-24T14:51:14 < ReadError> wewuzkangs
2017-01-24T14:51:42  * Laurenceb wonders how long before angry emails about "GUI reports 'sensor error'"
2017-01-24T14:52:26 < Laurenceb> lul that would actually work
2017-01-24T14:52:32 < Laurenceb> or to turn the lights off
2017-01-24T14:52:42 < Laurenceb> that usually is enough to kill the oscillation
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2017-01-24T14:56:47 < Laurenceb> designated maintenance mallet
2017-01-24T14:58:41 < Laurenceb> or just "turn it off and back on again"
2017-01-24T15:00:04 < Laurenceb> shrug I'll call it a day
2017-01-24T15:00:19 < Laurenceb> now the small problem of making my sensors actually work
2017-01-24T15:00:54 < Laurenceb> the queen?!
2017-01-24T15:01:15 < Laurenceb> I dont know anything about her, hopefully she lives as long as poss tho
2017-01-24T15:01:29 < Laurenceb> cuz then we would have prince Charles O_o
2017-01-24T15:01:45 < Laurenceb> the Trump of royalty
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2017-01-24T15:02:35 < Laurenceb> https://imagebin.ca/v/39zP2LF0pmEN
2017-01-24T15:02:50 < Laurenceb> maybes
2017-01-24T15:03:19 < Laurenceb> CRT = Capillary Refill Timing
2017-01-24T15:03:25 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-01-24T15:03:34 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-01-24T15:04:07 < Laurenceb> stupid things have air leaks
2017-01-24T15:04:24 < Laurenceb> we "outsourced" the mechanical design, nice plan
2017-01-24T15:05:03 < Laurenceb> their design had silicone rubber (blue part) snap fitting onto SLS plastic parts
2017-01-24T15:05:16 < Laurenceb> its supposed to hold 10psi air
2017-01-24T15:05:24 < Laurenceb> not going to happen ever
2017-01-24T15:05:31 < Laurenceb> yeah we paid £30k for this shit
2017-01-24T15:06:04 < Laurenceb> also SLS plastic parts are porous so even if it was still enough to not blow off it wouldnt seal
2017-01-24T15:06:32 < Laurenceb> so I'm trying to fix with CA glue and about half the time it fails
2017-01-24T15:06:49 < Laurenceb> 10psi is a lot of pressure when its a flexible part
2017-01-24T15:07:27 < Laurenceb> also the hose ID is 3.2mm and the cable OD is 3.5mm
2017-01-24T15:07:38 < Laurenceb> that was "fun" to assemble
2017-01-24T15:07:56 < Laurenceb> managed to snap the cable halfway through the hose on half the attempts
2017-01-24T15:08:16 < Laurenceb> I have boxes filled with broken shit from failed assembly attempts
2017-01-24T15:09:11 < Laurenceb> yeah never outsource to design consultants
2017-01-24T15:09:24 < Laurenceb> especially if you actually need a mechanical eng
2017-01-24T15:09:37 < Laurenceb> write that down in your copy book now
2017-01-24T15:10:03 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzvz1j3h4Xk
2017-01-24T15:10:20 < Laurenceb> lul top comment
2017-01-24T15:12:09 < Laurenceb> its fairly liquid tiem, bbl
2017-01-24T15:12:25 < Laurenceb> to check for leaks
2017-01-24T15:12:44 < Laurenceb> tyvm
2017-01-24T15:14:06 < ReadError> 1http://imgur.com/gallery/CrTAa
2017-01-24T15:14:08 < ReadError> shook
2017-01-24T15:16:38 < Laurenceb> expecting pr0nz
2017-01-24T15:16:50 < Laurenceb> boss is behind me, sfw?
2017-01-24T15:17:23 < Laurenceb> ah
2017-01-24T15:17:44 < Laurenceb> nice, some of my diaphragms have cracks
2017-01-24T15:17:49 < Laurenceb> so pro
2017-01-24T15:18:17 < ReadError> be sure to get another, you dont want to get preggers
2017-01-24T15:20:42 < ReadError> drink more, huff some more dreamtime
2017-01-24T15:20:56 < ReadError> i got 100 whippets today
2017-01-24T15:28:19 < grafi_> can I program without resetting using st-link? I works with my J-link. My cheap F4 dev board only have a reset btn
2017-01-24T15:29:56 < PaulFertser> grafi_: what do you mean by "program without resetting"?
2017-01-24T15:32:19 < grafi_> it seems like my st-link configuration need to toggle the reset pin on my board to be able to upload the binary
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2017-01-24T15:33:02 < PaulFertser> grafi_: are you using openocd?
2017-01-24T15:33:19 < grafi_> yep
2017-01-24T15:33:31 < PaulFertser> grafi_: how do you start it, any custom config?
2017-01-24T15:33:33 < grafi_> using the openstm32 eclipse IDE
2017-01-24T15:33:44 < Laurenceb> yay two more sensors fixed
2017-01-24T15:33:53 < PaulFertser> grafi_: I'd need exact invocation command line
2017-01-24T15:33:58 < Laurenceb> looks like pro designers left swarf in their silicone mold
2017-01-24T15:34:01 < Laurenceb> so much fail
2017-01-24T15:37:23 < grafi_> PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/jSJaD0Ut is my openocd configuration file, and initialization commands "monitor reset halt"
2017-01-24T15:39:04 < PaulFertser> grafi_: if you do not have SRST physically connected, then do not add srst_only to reset_config. In fact, your whole config file should be reduced to two lines: source [find interface/stlink-v2.cfg]; source [find target/stm32f4x.cfg]
2017-01-24T15:39:53 < grafi_> thanks, I'll try that
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2017-01-24T15:56:39 < englishman> Estimated Delivery: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 By End of Day
2017-01-24T15:56:46 < englishman> 5	Shipment on hold	SAN FRANCISCO GATEWAY, CA - USA
2017-01-24T15:56:48 < englishman> mmhmm
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2017-01-24T16:43:21 < ReadError> any decent IC that can measure low currents w/o needing a shunt and other shitty passives
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2017-01-24T18:31:22 < englishman> are avenet and farnell related?
2017-01-24T18:31:25 < englishman> like newark and farnell?
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2017-01-24T18:43:16 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/9063293da8b50cd5b0b9b49ec0196440a99f1908547cab560d72c3e932dc80e0.png
2017-01-24T18:43:19 < Laurenceb> b& 
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2017-01-24T18:53:13 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/f5b47562f5e92be95f162516b8b79b5770f00a5c3d2e1c0b3c8da8bb2ace3bcb.jpg
2017-01-24T18:53:52 < Laurenceb> Sean Spicer is on /pol/
2017-01-24T18:53:59 < Laurenceb> why am I not surprised
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2017-01-24T18:55:59 < englishman> whos that
2017-01-24T18:56:15 < englishman> o the butthurt press conference guy
2017-01-24T18:56:21 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-01-24T18:56:30 < ReadError> how do u know its him
2017-01-24T18:56:41 < englishman> cuz he dresses up as gundam or whatever
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2017-01-24T18:57:00 < Laurenceb> http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/108730145/how-has-sean-spicer-not-been-fired
2017-01-24T18:57:07 < Laurenceb> lul even /pol/ think he sucks
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2017-01-24T19:48:40 < Laurenceb> lul FSA is fighting itself
2017-01-24T19:49:11 < ReadError> fsa?
2017-01-24T19:49:19 < Laurenceb> Free Syrian Army
2017-01-24T20:02:06 < Thorn> I imagine Laurenceb sitting in the White House situation room feeding all that to Trump in real time
2017-01-24T20:02:24 < Laurenceb> you forgot the demonic ebil laughter
2017-01-24T20:04:24 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1d3_1485265680
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2017-01-24T20:20:18 < zyp> dongs, so shit went out already
2017-01-24T20:20:19 < zyp> ?
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2017-01-24T21:02:51 < Steffanx> Poor Fleck. No one forces you to be here ;)
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2017-01-24T21:13:54 < englishman> lol Laurenceb 
2017-01-24T21:22:11 < Laurenceb>  ##stm32 irl https://i.reddituploads.com/1186a21df5514116aab6cac0914c3304?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=607d8216eeb3907b8e32dbfaae846617
2017-01-24T21:23:09 < ReadError> you can tell who cant afford the real realdoll
2017-01-24T21:24:10 < ReadError> englishman: its nick
2017-01-24T21:24:12 < ReadError> in the back
2017-01-24T21:30:03 < englishman> that looks more like lead developer of DOOM and Armadillo Aerospace
2017-01-24T21:31:16 < Fleck> Steffanx: yes... so? You are owner!
2017-01-24T21:31:45 < Steffanx> I dont force you to be here either
2017-01-24T21:32:19 < Fleck> You missed the point completely... 
2017-01-24T21:32:25 < Steffanx> Its just funny to see you complain in other channels
2017-01-24T21:32:29 < ReadError> what are you upset about Fleck ?
2017-01-24T21:32:38 < Fleck> read again Steffanx...
2017-01-24T21:32:42 < Steffanx> We are all dongs suckups.
2017-01-24T21:32:54 < Steffanx> With lunix phobia
2017-01-24T21:33:03 < Laurenceb> I run the lunix
2017-01-24T21:33:19 < ReadError> ur vgay Laurenceb 
2017-01-24T21:34:16 < Steffanx> Yes you are Leeloo. Maybe you dont know it yet.
2017-01-24T21:35:48 < Steffanx> And i thought you could have been such good friends ( you and ohsix )
2017-01-24T21:35:49 < ReadError> ignore is cheating
2017-01-24T21:36:14 < ReadError> play IRC no hacks
2017-01-24T21:36:47 < ReadError>  Steffanx maybe thats why they clash 
2017-01-24T21:36:49 < ReadError> so similar 
2017-01-24T21:36:53 < Steffanx> :P
2017-01-24T21:37:51 < ReadError> no
2017-01-24T21:37:53 < ReadError> you and ohsix 
2017-01-24T21:38:05 < ReadError> yall like 2 peas in a pod
2017-01-24T21:39:00 < ReadError> its true
2017-01-24T21:39:35 < Laurenceb> found Leeloo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yE_I2Zagnw
2017-01-24T21:41:16 < Steffanx> found Laurenceb: https://youtu.be/erwtQFfFNTQ?t=49s
2017-01-24T21:41:45 < upgrdman> getting i2c problems (not stm32) ... anyone know what would cause this: http://imgur.com/a/1Je3c   the data (red/purple line) line at the end
2017-01-24T21:42:10 < ReadError> me irl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZGefOVswF8
2017-01-24T21:42:50 < Laurenceb> upgrdman: capacitive coupling between the lines
2017-01-24T21:43:17 < Laurenceb> ReadError: take a seat over there
2017-01-24T21:43:48 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, but why would that only cause the ACK to fuck up like that, and rarely too
2017-01-24T21:44:50 < Fleck> ReadError: I am not upset, looks like owner is tho
2017-01-24T21:45:02 < ReadError> why mention the fact hes the owner?
2017-01-24T21:45:18 < Fleck> why not?
2017-01-24T21:45:28 < ReadError> just didnt seem relevant 
2017-01-24T21:45:28 < englishman> what channel are you blogging in Fleck 
2017-01-24T21:45:50 < Steffanx> Lol fleck. I was just making fun of you.
2017-01-24T21:46:12 < Steffanx> Openocd. He complained about you in particular englishman
2017-01-24T21:46:20 < englishman> cool
2017-01-24T21:46:27 < englishman> always feels good when people think aboot me
2017-01-24T21:46:37 < aandrew> upgrdman: could you take a picture that doesn't look like you're trying to take a selfie in the scope screen?
2017-01-24T21:46:42 < aandrew> I can barely see the data for your face
2017-01-24T21:46:53 < upgrdman> wat
2017-01-24T21:47:05 < englishman> aandrew: stentronics are pro as fuck
2017-01-24T21:47:09 < englishman> and oldschool
2017-01-24T21:47:11 < aandrew> englishman: you like 'em?
2017-01-24T21:47:16 < englishman> i have to mail them a cheque
2017-01-24T21:47:21 < aandrew> haha yeah
2017-01-24T21:47:23 < aandrew> forgot about that
2017-01-24T21:47:44 < Fleck> good Steffanx
2017-01-24T21:47:53 < englishman> signed cams thismorning, delivering tomorrow
2017-01-24T21:48:46 < Steffanx> One can copy text from a code editor too ;)
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2017-01-24T21:49:10 < Fleck> not just Rigols...
2017-01-24T21:49:32 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-01-24T21:49:38 < Fleck> yes, you post code pictures :P
2017-01-24T21:51:23 < Fleck> he is just buthurt today LeelooMinai :D don't mind him
2017-01-24T21:51:53 < Steffanx> Lol. Joker.
2017-01-24T21:54:37 < zyp> I thought it were alternative fact
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2017-01-24T22:07:33 < Laurenceb> anyone know a site for identifying nokia phones?
2017-01-24T22:08:15 < Steffanx> ##stm32 + pica
2017-01-24T22:08:33 < Laurenceb> my only camera is on the phone
2017-01-24T22:08:36 < Laurenceb> and its broken
2017-01-24T22:08:36 < zyp> jpa- and kakimir is from nokialand, they should know
2017-01-24T22:08:43 < zyp> haha
2017-01-24T22:08:55 < zyp> check the label under the battery, if it has a removable battery
2017-01-24T22:09:02 < Laurenceb> was hoping for series of photos by year
2017-01-24T22:09:04 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-01-24T22:09:15 < Steffanx> What did you do to it?
2017-01-24T22:09:51 < Laurenceb> found it thanks
2017-01-24T22:10:04 < Laurenceb> nothing, keypad just broke
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2017-01-24T22:11:25 < Steffanx> Keypad. Must be an old phone then
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2017-01-24T22:12:09 < zyp> time for Laurenceb to get his first smartphone
2017-01-24T22:12:20 < Laurenceb> time ot read indian phone blogz
2017-01-24T22:12:42 < Laurenceb> looks like either jammed side buttons or ESD BGA failed
2017-01-24T22:13:17 < zyp> hmm, I'm not sure what phone I'd buy today
2017-01-24T22:13:49 < zyp> google pixel seems nice but expensive as fuck, dunno if nexus 5x is still considered current
2017-01-24T22:19:28 < ReadError> take the battery out
2017-01-24T22:19:33 < ReadError> and look at the #s?
2017-01-24T22:19:44 < ReadError> oh zyp said that
2017-01-24T22:19:45 < ReadError> so smart
2017-01-24T22:19:48 < Steffanx> <Laurenceb> found it thanks <=
2017-01-24T22:20:15 < ReadError> the fuck, a nokia phone, seriously?
2017-01-24T22:20:17 < Steffanx> So what phone was/is it Laurenceb?
2017-01-24T22:21:02 < Laurenceb>  6300
2017-01-24T22:22:53 < ReadError> looks like some drugdealers burner
2017-01-24T22:23:20 < Steffanx> heh, ebay sells them for 10 canuck dollar.
2017-01-24T22:23:53 < ReadError> what the hell Laurenceb 
2017-01-24T22:25:18 < englishman> i was worried about jadew and his 1024x768
2017-01-24T22:25:23 < englishman> but now with Laurenceb and his nokia 6300
2017-01-24T22:25:30 < englishman> i fear for the entire chan
2017-01-24T22:28:27 < Steffanx> 1024x768 what?
2017-01-24T22:29:32 < englishman> exactly
2017-01-24T22:30:20 < englishman> 50cm snow and 80km/h wind forecast tonight
2017-01-24T22:32:42 < Steffanx> Hell would break loose with weather forecasts like that.
2017-01-24T22:33:09 < Steffanx> same happens when we have like 3 cm of snow, so i imagine what happens with 20 times that amount
2017-01-24T22:38:12 < englishman> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgVc2Puepxw
2017-01-24T22:38:49 < zyp> englishman, so you'll get horizontal snow just like here?
2017-01-24T22:38:58 < englishman> yeah happens a lot out where i am
2017-01-24T22:39:05 < zyp> did I post the pic of my car the other day?
2017-01-24T22:39:12 < englishman> handily, the driveway is self-cleaning
2017-01-24T22:39:13 < englishman> yeah :)
2017-01-24T22:39:35 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/G8hqe.jpg for context, if anyone else wonders
2017-01-24T22:40:11 < zyp> the huge lump on the back were gone again the next day though
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2017-01-24T23:46:58 < aandrew> not quite the threading you're used to, eh?
2017-01-24T23:50:05 < aandrew> sewing machines have some very awesome mechanical designs
2017-01-24T23:52:17 < ReadError> my sister has some cnc type one
2017-01-24T23:52:22 < ReadError> it can like, write stuff
2017-01-24T23:53:52 < ReadError> "Press Secretary Affirms that Trump Believes Lie of Millions of Illegal Voters"
2017-01-24T23:54:04 < ReadError> going to be good biz for the news folks these next 4 or w/e years
2017-01-24T23:55:19 < ReadError> Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed executive actions to advance approval of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines.
2017-01-24T23:55:28 < ReadError> gas the bikes, race war now
2017-01-24T23:55:43 < ReadError> injuns are going to be super pissed
2017-01-24T23:59:45 < ReadError> The president is a 70-year-old child whose TV time must be closely monitored — because any news story that upsets his ego will trigger a temper tantrum followed by irrational demands that his indulgent, overwhelmed guardians will be helpless to refuse.
2017-01-24T23:59:46 < ReadError> Or so Donald Trump’s aides keep confiding to the nearest available reporter.
2017-01-24T23:59:46 < ReadError> On Sunday, one of the president’s confidantes told Politico that his staffers have to “control information that may infuriate him,” a task made difficult by the fact that the leader of the free world “gets bored and likes to watch TV.”
2017-01-24T23:59:50 < ReadError> hilarious 
--- Day changed Wed Jan 25 2017
2017-01-25T00:16:10 < ReadError> I think he still has a pending rape case lol
2017-01-25T00:20:56 < gxti> i mean, it *is* frivolous. poor journalism though, no surprises there
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2017-01-25T00:21:52 < englishman> "this is fake" = "i am unable to investigate it / won't"
2017-01-25T00:23:04 < Thorn> >The pace of this development was rapid, spanning a decade before any South Korean heavy industry took root in the economy. The results soon became clear: the DPRK was producing exponentially more of everything than the South, including coal, fertilizer, ferrous metals, cement, steel, and machine equipment.
2017-01-25T00:23:29 < englishman> Thorn: did you see my kitty video
2017-01-25T00:23:45 < gxti> if you don't then you probably shouldn't make comments on legal matters :p
2017-01-25T00:23:47 < Thorn> don't think so
2017-01-25T00:23:58 < englishman> https://goo.gl/photos/WAFnnQQwmRKiiRKz6
2017-01-25T00:24:42 < Thorn> do you have two? lil dongs and this one?
2017-01-25T00:25:12 < englishman> yes
2017-01-25T00:26:21 < Thorn> nice kitty
2017-01-25T00:26:51 < Thorn> looks like mine (died ~5 years ago)
2017-01-25T00:27:05 < englishman> :(
2017-01-25T00:27:30 < Thorn> she was 20 years old(!)
2017-01-25T00:32:27 < englishman> yikes
2017-01-25T00:32:34 < englishman> sounds like a high quality kitten
2017-01-25T00:40:19 < Thorn> >during the Cold War they enjoyed bumper crop years and produced enough food that Chinese, during their great famine in the late 1950s, were migrating across the Yalu River border into the North for sustenance.
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2017-01-25T00:46:23 < englishman> Marijuana producers have accounted for 35.8% of all the industrial space leased in Denver since 2009
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2017-01-25T00:50:16 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/FylL1DP.png
2017-01-25T00:50:17 < Laurenceb_> wtf is it?
2017-01-25T00:53:21 < englishman> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aido-next-gen-home-robot--2#/
2017-01-25T00:53:50 < Laurenceb_> LOL
2017-01-25T00:54:01 < Laurenceb_>  "look at muh linux computers"
2017-01-25T00:54:13 < Laurenceb_> cuz lunix is good for embedded systems
2017-01-25T00:54:13 < englishman> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9blob2tb1mekixb/Aido%20Jan%20Project%20Update.pdf?dl=0
2017-01-25T00:54:15 < englishman> latest update
2017-01-25T00:54:18 < englishman> lots of shit 90% done
2017-01-25T00:54:31 < Laurenceb_> muh CRT sensors are 99% done
2017-01-25T00:54:43 < Laurenceb_> problem is I just had to recall them all and cancel the trial
2017-01-25T00:55:07 < Laurenceb_> as the full retard "design consultants" supplied silicone rubber parts full of swarf
2017-01-25T00:55:41 < Laurenceb_>  " sign in to download"
2017-01-25T00:55:43 < Laurenceb_> fuck that
2017-01-25T00:55:50 < englishman> in dropcocks?
2017-01-25T00:55:59 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2017-01-25T00:56:23 < Laurenceb_> maybe you are already signed in
2017-01-25T00:56:29 < englishman> i dont have an account
2017-01-25T00:57:03 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixT_37_BOF8
2017-01-25T00:57:06 < Laurenceb_> lul BOF8
2017-01-25T00:57:15 < Laurenceb_> each time someone tries to kickstart
2017-01-25T00:59:02 < Laurenceb_> Wait.....we payed for niggers in other africa to get abortions?
2017-01-25T00:59:10 < Laurenceb_> My exact first thoughts. My second was "and people are against ending this?!?"
2017-01-25T00:59:15 < Laurenceb_> 4chan delivers
2017-01-25T01:05:15 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PFeqhcBc/hehehe.png
2017-01-25T01:05:17 < ReadError> i made art
2017-01-25T01:05:19 < ReadError> guys
2017-01-25T01:08:23 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/973736766/the-cybermatrix-100-tu01
2017-01-25T01:08:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah but you never made a cybrmatrix 100 tu01
2017-01-25T01:09:11 < englishman> whoa
2017-01-25T01:09:26 < ReadError> hasnt that failed before?
2017-01-25T01:09:31 < ReadError> i know ive seen it
2017-01-25T01:09:39 < englishman> ended aud 2014
2017-01-25T01:09:41 < englishman> aug
2017-01-25T01:10:02 < ReadError> ESTIMATED DELIVERY
2017-01-25T01:10:02 < ReadError> Dec 2019
2017-01-25T01:10:05 < ReadError> ahh was thrown off
2017-01-25T01:10:11 < englishman> oh thats the cat
2017-01-25T01:10:48 < Laurenceb_> AND MANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU CAN CREATE AT YOUR FINGER TIPS, FIN TIPS, AND CLAW TIPS AS WELL
2017-01-25T01:11:01 < Laurenceb_> furry confurmed
2017-01-25T01:16:21 < Laurenceb_> this guy reminds me of Trump for some reason
2017-01-25T01:18:13 < Laurenceb_> I meant cybrmatrix guy
2017-01-25T01:18:30 < Laurenceb_> damn omegle is nasty tonight
2017-01-25T01:18:50 < Laurenceb_> nasty whores
2017-01-25T01:19:53 < aandrew> hahaha cybermatrix 100 
2017-01-25T01:26:33 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BniGiWWZsAs
2017-01-25T01:27:29 < englishman> always high quality stuff on that chan
2017-01-25T01:27:38 < englishman> its so russian
2017-01-25T01:28:43 < Laurenceb_> https://www.amazon.co.uk/team-pisces-emissary-adventures-salvation/dp/1495254909
2017-01-25T01:29:27 < Laurenceb_> wtf is that a cat?!
2017-01-25T01:30:16 < englishman> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OA-e1VRQf0
2017-01-25T01:30:43 < Laurenceb_> shit a lynx
2017-01-25T01:31:24 < Laurenceb_> LOL
2017-01-25T01:32:17 < Laurenceb_> wtf I don't even http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Team-Pisces-Emissary-Adventures-Path-to-Salvation-by-MR-Schaun-S-Bishop-Pa-/191177499329
2017-01-25T01:34:29 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LFExwsy2FA 
2017-01-25T01:43:26 < jadew> lots of idiots commenting on that video
2017-01-25T01:45:29 < englishman> ordered this today http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Modules/DevelopmentModules.htm#FT4232H_Mini
2017-01-25T01:45:39 < englishman> gonna buttbang a bunch of shit from python
2017-01-25T01:48:07 < Laurenceb_> I want a pet lynx now
2017-01-25T01:48:11 < jadew> do you guys remember your first program?
2017-01-25T01:48:14 < Laurenceb_> I could feed it small children
2017-01-25T01:48:19 < englishman> i do
2017-01-25T01:48:26 < jadew> what was it?
2017-01-25T01:48:41 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: hun
2017-01-25T01:48:41 < englishman> i made a commodore64 beep out "dont cry for me argentina"
2017-01-25T01:48:41 < ReadError> https://www.maxtec.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/MAX-13-SPECIFICATION.pdf
2017-01-25T01:48:50 < ReadError> used anything like this?
2017-01-25T01:48:51 < jadew> englishman, heh
2017-01-25T01:48:53 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: why?
2017-01-25T01:49:35 < Laurenceb_> they look pretty cool
2017-01-25T01:49:49 < jadew> I think mine was a simple circle and a point, on Z80
2017-01-25T01:50:10 < jadew> can't be sure tho, but this is 
2017-01-25T01:50:20 < jadew> this is the one that's stu
2017-01-25T01:50:24 < jadew> ck in my memory 
2017-01-25T01:51:01 < Laurenceb_>  You cannot take your lynx to work. You can not take your lynx to visit your friends, unless they don’t mind having their furniture eaten
2017-01-25T01:51:03 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-01-25T01:51:26 < englishman> why dont you start with a goldfish
2017-01-25T01:51:55 < Laurenceb_>  You cannot sleep with your lynx, he’ll pull and chew your hair. I don’t know why, but all lynx do this! Plus, they will “mark” your bed. 
2017-01-25T01:52:03 < Laurenceb_> furries btfo
2017-01-25T01:52:04 < kakimir> I almost drove over lynx kitten
2017-01-25T01:52:10 < kakimir> or is it cub?
2017-01-25T01:52:24 < ReadError> lil'lynx
2017-01-25T01:52:27 < kakimir> it's mutha was probl. dead
2017-01-25T01:52:47 < kakimir> in the ditch
2017-01-25T01:52:52 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: halp me hun
2017-01-25T01:53:04 < jadew> I have lynx
2017-01-25T01:53:42 < kakimir> I almost stoped to get the kitten lynx but there was traffic behind me and it would have been mad anyways to have dog sized cat
2017-01-25T01:54:15 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/bm1gP
2017-01-25T01:54:24 < englishman> bobkitten
2017-01-25T01:54:55 < jadew> I always wanted a lynx as a kid
2017-01-25T01:55:04 < jadew> I think it would be a bad idea tho
2017-01-25T01:55:18 < jadew> it's hard enough to clean after a small cat
2017-01-25T01:55:26 < jadew> I can't imagine how much a lynx can piss
2017-01-25T01:55:35 < Thorn> >You cannot sleep with your lynx
2017-01-25T01:55:37 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szXEX21wlFs
2017-01-25T01:56:15 < Laurenceb_> wtf am I watching
2017-01-25T01:56:38 < jadew> a chick wearing makeup to bed
2017-01-25T01:57:18 < Laurenceb_> this being the internet I am fully expecting rule 34
2017-01-25T01:57:28 < jadew> what's that?
2017-01-25T01:57:32 < ReadError> jadew: http://i.imgur.com/l3ZPs7A.png
2017-01-25T01:57:33 < ReadError> i have links
2017-01-25T01:58:17 < ReadError> they are 2 diff things i believe 
2017-01-25T01:58:21 < jadew> ReadError, mine is newer
2017-01-25T01:58:32 < jadew> oh,
2017-01-25T01:58:35 < jadew> it's links now
2017-01-25T01:58:46 < jadew> ah, I see, they're different
2017-01-25T01:58:52 < ReadError> links is a text browser
2017-01-25T01:59:02 < ReadError> probably some hostile forking
2017-01-25T01:59:05 < jadew> didn't know two people thought it's a good idea to have a text based browser
2017-01-25T01:59:17 < ReadError> jadew: people that used terminals??
2017-01-25T01:59:20 < kakimir> I effectivelly killed the lynxkitten
2017-01-25T01:59:56 < jadew> ReadError, yeah, but why need two?
2017-01-25T02:00:06 < jadew> I only use lynx to quickly check something
2017-01-25T02:00:19 < jadew> I'd never use it long enough to notice what I don't like about it
2017-01-25T02:00:30 < jadew> or think "hmm, I would have done this differently"
2017-01-25T02:00:48 < kakimir> why would you like lynx browser?
2017-01-25T02:00:51 < kakimir> it sucks
2017-01-25T02:01:01 < ReadError> ya ascii porn sucks
2017-01-25T02:02:06 < jadew> uh... looks like it has js disabled by default :P
2017-01-25T02:02:08 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BPlXNvPgtKU/
2017-01-25T02:02:30 < kakimir> new chick to stalk
2017-01-25T02:03:16 < ReadError> it lives in their house
2017-01-25T02:03:24 < ReadError> and plays with the white kitteh
2017-01-25T02:04:07 < Thorn> they have 3 lynxes, 2 cats, 2 dogs, a fuckton of reptiles and 4 youtube channels
2017-01-25T02:04:51 < Thorn> (and their friend works with lions and jaguars in the St. Petersburg zoo)
2017-01-25T02:05:41 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/lpFWeKiAe08?t=3m18s
2017-01-25T02:06:13 < ReadError> they are russian right?
2017-01-25T02:06:19 < ReadError> dangerous enough 
2017-01-25T02:07:27 < Thorn> her husband is Kazakh
2017-01-25T02:07:55 < Thorn> and apprarently an internationally known reptile expert / breeder
2017-01-25T02:09:01 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oXOn-h2pdA
2017-01-25T02:09:28 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/DMAnews1/status/823645674210230273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
2017-01-25T02:09:48 < ReadError> running out of space
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2017-01-25T02:18:01 < kakimir> that is a bed
2017-01-25T02:18:16 < ReadError> well its a box spring ya
2017-01-25T02:19:09 < kakimir> oh
2017-01-25T02:19:24 < kakimir> there is like.. names for things
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2017-01-25T02:19:43 < kakimir> that are similar but quite different
2017-01-25T02:19:56 < ReadError> ?\
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2017-01-25T02:24:32 < kakimir> like I can say it's a bed but I'm right but you are more right when you correct me it's a box spring
2017-01-25T02:26:25 < ReadError> no a boxspring is not a bed
2017-01-25T02:30:08 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-25T02:30:57 < ReadError> im english first language 
2017-01-25T02:30:58 < ReadError> trust me
2017-01-25T02:31:55 < ReadError> well im ebonics 2nd language 
2017-01-25T02:31:56 < BrainDamage> for the record, lynx and links are 2 separate programs
2017-01-25T02:32:00 < ReadError> so they compound 
2017-01-25T02:32:08 < ReadError> BrainDamage: right
2017-01-25T02:32:18 < BrainDamage> and yes, that implies there's more than one person that considers text based browsers a good idea
2017-01-25T02:33:08 < jadew> does links have js support?
2017-01-25T02:33:17 < Thorn> no
2017-01-25T02:33:44 < jadew> the first one who's gonna get JS support is going to dominate the market
2017-01-25T02:33:57 < BrainDamage> a whopping 10 installations
2017-01-25T02:34:54 < BrainDamage> some of them even support pics: https://imgur.com/a/kUcb3
2017-01-25T02:35:21 < jadew> wth?
2017-01-25T02:35:43 < Thorn> my first browser was Arachne
2017-01-25T02:35:47 < jadew> how is that possible?
2017-01-25T02:36:18 < Thorn> http://www.kompx.com/static/en/posts/2011/09/150911/arachne-20-b.jpg
2017-01-25T02:36:21 < Thorn> for DOS
2017-01-25T02:37:02 < jadew> was there no IE back then?
2017-01-25T02:37:17 < BrainDamage> jadew: https://i.imgur.com/YsbKHg1.gif
2017-01-25T02:37:32 < jadew> BrainDamage, hehe
2017-01-25T02:37:38 < BrainDamage> there's 2 ways
2017-01-25T02:37:47 < BrainDamage> one is shitty, but it's the most common
2017-01-25T02:38:07 < jadew> I know it would be possible if you had direct access to the video memory, but that from the image would have to do it via the terminal
2017-01-25T02:38:11 < BrainDamage> it detects if you're running a x session,and creates a window on top of yor termial
2017-01-25T02:38:15 < jadew> so I guess the terminal has to support it?
2017-01-25T02:38:18 < jadew> oh
2017-01-25T02:38:23 < jadew> that's shitty, yeah
2017-01-25T02:38:32 < BrainDamage> and another, which is more proper, which is what I've used there
2017-01-25T02:38:42 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixel
2017-01-25T02:38:51 < BrainDamage> but the terminal has to support it
2017-01-25T02:39:02 < kakimir> jadew: not actually textmode
2017-01-25T02:39:05 < BrainDamage> but it works tough ssh, etc
2017-01-25T02:39:42 < BrainDamage> https://imgur.com/a/kUcb3
2017-01-25T02:39:46 < jadew> BrainDamage, got it, so you're remapping those characters as you're painging?
2017-01-25T02:40:01 < jadew> haha
2017-01-25T02:40:30 < jadew> BrainDamage, nice
2017-01-25T02:40:32 < BrainDamage> no, I'm not doing anything, the program dos
2017-01-25T02:40:42 < BrainDamage> and those are terminal escape codes
2017-01-25T02:40:57 < jadew> I've done graphics in text mode in the DOS era and it involved remapping the characters
2017-01-25T02:41:01 < BrainDamage> the supermerga shitty terminal protocol that they speak
2017-01-25T02:41:37 < jadew> but you couldn't say... remap one character print it and then remap it to print the next one, because it would have changed the one before too
2017-01-25T02:41:41 < BrainDamage> I don't  give a shit about text browsers, but having inlined pics with interpreters is really nice
2017-01-25T02:42:21 < BrainDamage> jadew: you're reinventing a solved problem, it's called escape sequences
2017-01-25T02:42:40 < BrainDamage> all programming languages have it, even c
2017-01-25T02:42:51 < BrainDamage> eg the \n char is an escape sequence
2017-01-25T02:42:51 < jadew> BrainDamage, what do you mean?
2017-01-25T02:43:02 < BrainDamage> and so is \\
2017-01-25T02:43:15 < jadew> why are you telling me this?
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2017-01-25T02:44:12 < BrainDamage> because you're talking as if the simple mention of them doesn't describe perfectly what's being done ...
2017-01-25T02:44:39 < jadew> still not sure what you mean
2017-01-25T02:44:42 < ReadError> i like being able to click on things in terminal
2017-01-25T02:44:44 < ReadError> just sayin
2017-01-25T02:44:52 < ReadError> kewl feature
2017-01-25T02:45:36 < jadew> BrainDamage, which part from what I said lead you to think about escape codes?
2017-01-25T02:46:21 < jadew> the remaping part?
2017-01-25T02:47:28 < jadew> if that was it, by remapping, I meant actually changing the font, which was something the BIOS provided
2017-01-25T02:47:35 < jadew> you had to go there and remap the pixels
2017-01-25T02:48:01 < jadew> you'd basically overwrite the default font
2017-01-25T02:50:44 < jadew> yeah, you also had quite a bit of control over the colors
2017-01-25T02:51:37 < jadew> like... you could make text fade out for example by changing the color palette
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2017-01-25T02:57:16 < jadew> if you give me your address, I'll mail the next one to you
2017-01-25T02:58:44 < jadew> then you should already have a sample
2017-01-25T03:00:18 < jadew> seems like the type
2017-01-25T03:04:11 < upgrdman> with NPN, i dont see ratings for base current
2017-01-25T03:04:20 < upgrdman> do they not care?
2017-01-25T03:04:30 < upgrdman> like how do i pick a base resistor :)
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2017-01-25T03:05:00 < upgrdman> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/2N5550-D.PDF
2017-01-25T03:05:20 < upgrdman> Ic is 600mA continuous
2017-01-25T03:05:24 < upgrdman> but what about Ib
2017-01-25T03:05:48 < jadew> do the math
2017-01-25T03:06:07 < Thorn> Ib=Ic/beta
2017-01-25T03:06:33 < upgrdman> well hFE worst case is 30. so in theory a base current of 20mA should put me in saturations
2017-01-25T03:06:34 < upgrdman> but
2017-01-25T03:06:40 < upgrdman> will >20mA hurt it?
2017-01-25T03:07:32 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, so they imply a max of 20mA then? not clear
2017-01-25T03:07:55 < jadew> pretty sure you can put more, but normally you don't go there
2017-01-25T03:08:11 < upgrdman> just an IR LED :)
2017-01-25T03:08:17 < upgrdman> intenting 500mA
2017-01-25T03:08:26 < jadew> why not use a mosfet?
2017-01-25T03:08:27 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-01-25T03:08:38 < upgrdman> jadew, well i have assloads of nmos, but all TO220
2017-01-25T03:08:45 < upgrdman> i feel kinda bad wasting a TO220 for this
2017-01-25T03:08:55 < upgrdman> but ya i might. fuck this shit.
2017-01-25T03:09:25 < jadew> well, if power is not an issue for your project, use the BJT
2017-01-25T03:10:24 < jadew> but it seems like a waste, also, what's stopping you from buying some FETs in different packages?
2017-01-25T03:10:27 < jadew> you need it now?
2017-01-25T03:11:03 < upgrdman> crt, i dont have this exact one, but like this   http://www.ebay.com/itm/3W-850-860nm-IR-High-Power-Infrared-LED-Light-Lamp-120-140-for-NIGHT-CAMERA/371807448545?_trksid=p2045573.c100506.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D08e481012fcd43df8070432e87868557%26pid%3D100506%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26
2017-01-25T03:11:21 < upgrdman> i bought 100 of them a few years ago. now i want to make an IR blaster.
2017-01-25T03:11:30 < upgrdman> overkill, but i have them on hand
2017-01-25T03:11:45 < jadew> a 3 W IR blaster? :)
2017-01-25T03:11:53 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, theyre cheap in bulk. i think i paid < $10
2017-01-25T03:12:01 < jadew> you're planning to turn off neighbour's TV?
2017-01-25T03:12:21 < upgrdman> jadew, i didnt say i was going to drive them at full current
2017-01-25T03:12:35 < upgrdman> i dont want to burn my retina if i look into it
2017-01-25T03:12:35 < jadew> you can probably point that at the trees and get the neighbours that live in the same building you do
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2017-01-25T03:13:25 < upgrdman> basides, now i can put HIGH POWER in my retarduino video title for this
2017-01-25T03:18:16 < jadew> zombie games seem to do that
2017-01-25T03:19:13 < jadew> games that make you move
2017-01-25T03:19:15 < jadew> http://imgur.com/gallery/umYTJP1
2017-01-25T03:23:10 < jadew> we'll eventually see one where they're not
2017-01-25T03:23:48 < upgrdman> fuck it, i'll use a BUK455 to drive my IR LED.
2017-01-25T03:24:16 < upgrdman> 100V 26A mosfet for an LED. oh well.
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2017-01-25T03:25:18 < jadew> haha
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2017-01-25T03:25:29 < jadew> upgrdman, so don't waste it, add more LEDs
2017-01-25T03:25:37 < jadew> you said you have 100
2017-01-25T03:25:53 < upgrdman> ya but i just need to control my TV that's 15' away
2017-01-25T03:28:26 < upgrdman> pretty sure the asians knew
2017-01-25T03:28:37 < jadew> haha
2017-01-25T03:31:50 < jadew> btw, I started watching the Arrival last night but had to go to bed
2017-01-25T03:31:56 < jadew> dreamt all night about aliens
2017-01-25T03:34:39 < Laurenceb_> I'm english first language
2017-01-25T03:34:45 < Laurenceb_> and english only language
2017-01-25T03:34:50 < Laurenceb_> cuz I fail that much
2017-01-25T03:36:07 < Laurenceb_> whyyyyy
2017-01-25T03:36:20 < Laurenceb_> almost as insane as using lunix as an rtos
2017-01-25T03:36:39 < Laurenceb_> although Musk seems to be a fan of that for some mad readson
2017-01-25T03:37:06 < Laurenceb_> I don't get the point of python tbh
2017-01-25T03:37:43 < Laurenceb_> I guess nasty scripts but you can use bash, awk etc
2017-01-25T03:37:51 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-01-25T03:38:34 < Laurenceb_> I guess python can be used as a java replacement thats only slightly less awful
2017-01-25T03:39:40 < Laurenceb_> I mean in terms of what victims are going to be forced to use it
2017-01-25T03:39:52 < Laurenceb_> on commercial projects
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2017-01-25T03:40:34 < Laurenceb_> an ebil manager who wants you to use Java might be persuaded to go with python
2017-01-25T03:41:02 < Laurenceb_> aha all is explained
2017-01-25T03:41:16 < Laurenceb_> explains your weird c++ obsession
2017-01-25T03:41:31 < Laurenceb_> making it all brainmeltingly complex
2017-01-25T03:42:17 < jadew> some problems just have complex solutions :)
2017-01-25T03:42:26  * Laurenceb_ uses the first nasty hack that sort of works
2017-01-25T03:42:36 < Laurenceb_> explaining my matlab/octave fandom
2017-01-25T03:42:47 < Laurenceb_> why
2017-01-25T03:42:57 < jadew> hacks are fine, but they tend to drag you back as your codebase gets larger
2017-01-25T03:43:04 < Laurenceb_> if you are using it yourself them who cares
2017-01-25T03:43:12 < Laurenceb_> and why make it nice for others to use
2017-01-25T03:43:14 < Laurenceb_> fuck them
2017-01-25T03:43:21  * Laurenceb_ rage mode
2017-01-25T03:43:55 < Laurenceb_> lul only trolling
2017-01-25T03:44:05 < Laurenceb_> but if you want nice to use why not ChibiOS ?
2017-01-25T03:44:08 < jadew> there, I agree, I was about to release a framework I made (for PHP) and decided to keep it for myself cuz it was so awesome
2017-01-25T03:44:39 < ReadError> chibchib is kewl
2017-01-25T03:44:39 < Laurenceb_> in my mind thats only worth it if you have cool projects in mind
2017-01-25T03:44:54 < Laurenceb_> and then when I have cool projects in mind I don't have time for this shit
2017-01-25T03:45:03 < Laurenceb_> and use ChibiOS or whatever is nice enough
2017-01-25T03:45:16 < ReadError> stuff like, console
2017-01-25T03:45:18 < ReadError> is gr8
2017-01-25T03:45:31 < ReadError> change params otf
2017-01-25T03:45:36 < jadew> I always end up doing a lot of side stuff when I embark on a project
2017-01-25T03:45:57 < jadew> I enjoy that part just as much as I enjoy finishing the project
2017-01-25T03:46:41 < jadew> well, getting it going, cuz I have a problem with finishing stuff
2017-01-25T03:47:38 < jadew> like... when all the challenging parts are gone, my motivation drops significantly
2017-01-25T03:49:19 < Thorn> does xilinx support systemverilog yet
2017-01-25T03:49:32 < Laurenceb_> I'll never understand the appeal of complex roll your own frameworks
2017-01-25T03:49:44 < Laurenceb_> guess thats why I'm an engineer not compsci lol
2017-01-25T03:49:55 < jadew> Laurenceb_, two important points:
2017-01-25T03:50:02 < jadew> 1) You learn a lot in the process.
2017-01-25T03:50:13 < jadew> 2) You can change them later on with almost no effort.
2017-01-25T03:50:39 < jadew> having an intimate knowledge of a framework can boost productivity a lot
2017-01-25T03:50:54 < jadew> not to mention the fact that if you identify something that the framework should do, you can add it
2017-01-25T03:50:58 < Laurenceb_> I guess, I tend to learn on the job
2017-01-25T03:51:06 < jadew> making your further use of that thing that much easier
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2017-01-25T03:53:12 < jadew> you know how I got into electronics?
2017-01-25T03:53:34 < jadew> I wanted to build an USB thermometer, but I needed other stuff first
2017-01-25T03:54:06 < jadew> so I started building power supplies and other stuff
2017-01-25T03:54:16 < jadew> (with USB :P)
2017-01-25T03:54:30 < jadew> I still haven't made that thermometer
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2017-01-25T03:55:20 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-01-25T03:55:25 < Laurenceb_>  though it's cool
2017-01-25T03:55:29 < Laurenceb_> literally wut
2017-01-25T03:56:12 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/kI3FlDs038I?t=1m7s
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2017-01-25T03:56:34 < Laurenceb_> nasty breakouts that are badly designed and lowest common denominator copypasta code
2017-01-25T03:57:42 < jadew> I had several electronics periods, but the one that stuck was because arduino too, a friend of mine got one and I remember thinking to myself "man, this is shit, I can do cooler stuff with plain AVRs"
2017-01-25T03:58:00 < jadew> and then the thermometer thing took over
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2017-01-25T04:00:16 < jadew> that's a great insight
2017-01-25T04:00:46 < jadew> makes things much harder for us
2017-01-25T04:00:59 < jadew> haha
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2017-01-25T04:36:30 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjmjYVNuLEE&feature=youtu.be
2017-01-25T04:41:05 < dongs> clean your links bro
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2017-01-25T04:42:03 < dongs> nice adboard
2017-01-25T04:42:54 < dongs> why so many tests
2017-01-25T04:43:01 < aandrew> dunno, not my video
2017-01-25T04:43:30 < dongs> just noticed thier domain almost looks liek acceLUNIX.nl
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2017-01-25T05:01:12 < emeb_mac> why is that video showing up all of a sudden.
2017-01-25T05:01:30 < dongs> did it get linked from some blag
2017-01-25T05:01:31 < emeb_mac> so old yet I've seen it linked on IRC twice already in the last hour
2017-01-25T05:01:35 < dongs> haha
2017-01-25T05:01:46 < dongs> i guess its on slownewsaday.com
2017-01-25T05:01:51 < emeb_mac> must be
2017-01-25T05:01:58 < dongs> nonewraspberrypinewssowelinktooldshitnews.com
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2017-01-25T05:03:53 < emeb_mac> also - everyone losing there shit about that ASUS twinkie board or whatever it's called.
2017-01-25T05:04:11 < emeb_mac> just some new craptastic RPi-alike with no visible software support
2017-01-25T05:04:37 < emeb_mac> there's bound to be one on every luser's junk shelf in a few months, gathering dust.
2017-01-25T05:05:01  * emeb_mac is feeling grumbly tonight
2017-01-25T05:06:16 < dongs> lol
2017-01-25T05:06:19 < dongs> yeahn that thing is beyond useless
2017-01-25T05:06:26 < dongs> shitty rockchip with no docs/lunix support
2017-01-25T05:06:31 < dongs> OMG WOW YOU CAN RUN SOME SHIT@ CLI
2017-01-25T05:06:33 < dongs> !!111
2017-01-25T05:06:51 < dongs> typical opensores faggotry
2017-01-25T05:07:19 < englishman> should I go get some video of pcbfab for yutub money
2017-01-25T05:07:41 < dongs> yes tag it with #eevbeg
2017-01-25T05:07:55 < englishman> upgrdman: buy a prebiasd transistor. Specifically designed for lazy fucks
2017-01-25T05:08:42 < dongs> lazy java coding fucks
2017-01-25T05:08:48 < dongs> who write unit tests
2017-01-25T05:08:50 < dongs> for 2+2
2017-01-25T05:09:15 < dongs> amirite.
2017-01-25T05:09:19 < dongs> zyp, loading your shit
2017-01-25T05:09:23 < dongs> donno if it gets done today tho
2017-01-25T05:09:56 < englishman> how long does it take you to load shit
2017-01-25T05:10:13 < dongs> depends if im having an autistic fit or not
2017-01-25T05:10:27 < englishman> like taping on the pulltape extenders probably takes me the most time
2017-01-25T05:10:29 < dongs> ive been doing mostly 0402 stuff but his shit is 0603s so its most of hte reels reloaded
2017-01-25T05:10:53 < dongs> hopefully i have most of the 0603 shit he uses alreadyt on reels and dont have to change them just swap positions
2017-01-25T05:11:02 < englishman> a feeder like 1min each?
2017-01-25T05:11:06 < englishman> Or less/more?
2017-01-25T05:11:22 < englishman> Including software time?
2017-01-25T05:11:37 < dongs> i dont need to do anything in software its already configured there
2017-01-25T05:11:42 < dongs> just swap reel on feeder if needed
2017-01-25T05:11:59 < englishman> it reminds you which place to put parts is all, ritr
2017-01-25T05:12:06 < dongs> yeah, theres a list
2017-01-25T05:12:07 < englishman> Once its set up once
2017-01-25T05:12:10 < dongs> yea
2017-01-25T05:12:57 < englishman> 73.0km/h wind speed
2017-01-25T05:13:57 < emeb_mac> blustery!
2017-01-25T05:14:08 < emeb_mac> see the wicked witch of the west go by?
2017-01-25T05:16:44 < dongs> hm
2017-01-25T05:17:01 < dongs> my riglol revved up fan when iwas drawing 2.1A and it still hasn't dropped down after i removed the load
2017-01-25T05:26:27 < ohsix> sup Mem:            15G        2.9G        9.1G        602M        3.6G         11G
2017-01-25T05:26:49 < ohsix> not ddr3l tho, so it's not running at 1600 like it is supposed to
2017-01-25T05:27:53 < ohsix> haha awesome, still getting unresponsive pages in chrome
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2017-01-25T05:39:38 < ohsix> because his heat sinks have no mass
2017-01-25T05:39:53 < dongs> cuz itsbeen doing this
2017-01-25T05:39:55 < dongs> always
2017-01-25T05:42:05 < upgrdman> any of you queers coded in swift? wtf does it use "var" ?
2017-01-25T05:42:17 < upgrdman> its like an extra keyword that does fuck all afaik
2017-01-25T05:42:26 < upgrdman> var explicitDouble: Double = 70
2017-01-25T05:42:35 < upgrdman> why not just Double explicitDouble = 70;
2017-01-25T05:42:43 < dongs> what the nigger fuck is swirft
2017-01-25T05:42:51 < upgrdman> dongs, applefag language
2017-01-25T05:43:04 < upgrdman> im not learning it, btw
2017-01-25T05:43:13 < upgrdman> but its in some article im reading about 3d shitz
2017-01-25T05:43:19 < dongs> why would any non-faggot use it
2017-01-25T05:43:30 < upgrdman> dongs, exactly
2017-01-25T05:43:57 < dongs> what will o6 do when all the google results are replaced with amp links
2017-01-25T05:44:48 < dongs> bottomless fountain of knowledge will run dry
2017-01-25T05:47:01 < dongs> wait for the great tsunami of autism
2017-01-25T05:48:16 < englishman> wtf is ampa
2017-01-25T05:48:39 < englishman> why not just make less shitty pages with less shitty jabascript
2017-01-25T05:48:51 < dongs> AMP
2017-01-25T05:48:57 < dongs> there's a 8-month-long rage thread
2017-01-25T05:48:59 < dongs> on google product focums
2017-01-25T05:49:00 < dongs> forums
2017-01-25T05:49:04 < dongs> about turning it off
2017-01-25T05:49:06 < englishman> why tho
2017-01-25T05:49:19 < dongs> so google knows what you click and can filter  your data for you
2017-01-25T05:49:22 < englishman> seems like a great cure for shitty sites
2017-01-25T05:49:29 < englishman> ?
2017-01-25T05:49:40 < englishman> then use sucksuckgo
2017-01-25T05:50:03 < englishman> all google searches are already redirected
2017-01-25T05:50:24 < englishman> and filtered like sewage
2017-01-25T05:57:49 < englishman> interestingly amp is not enabled for Google product forums
2017-01-25T05:58:26 < englishman> uh wait
2017-01-25T05:58:35 < englishman> how do you get to the real site
2017-01-25T05:59:14 < englishman> you can't even see the url
2017-01-25T07:00:50 < ReadError> Trump to direct federal resources toward building a border wall on Wednesday
2017-01-25T07:00:58 < ReadError> gone full retard
2017-01-25T07:01:48 < ReadError> maybe they will build one on the north side
2017-01-25T07:01:54 < ReadError> keep those filthy canadians out
2017-01-25T07:02:58 < ReadError> hes certainly done a lot of crazy shit, today..
2017-01-25T07:03:44 < ReadError> lets see, hes pissed off: indians, mexicans, immigrants, gays
2017-01-25T07:03:58 < ReadError> all in the span of 14 hrs
2017-01-25T07:06:08 < ReadError> one of his judges wants to let states make gaysex a crime lol
2017-01-25T07:07:07 < ReadError> its odd that anyone would care
2017-01-25T07:07:11 < ReadError> what people do
2017-01-25T07:08:09 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: you forgot Troogle
2017-01-25T07:08:38 < aandrew> flyback: I pasted that a couple hours ago
2017-01-25T07:09:54 < aandrew> troogle is so much better
2017-01-25T07:10:27 < ReadError> Truggle: A story by Mike Tyson 
2017-01-25T07:11:02 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PFeqhcBc/hehehe.png
2017-01-25T07:11:07 < ReadError> give me ur upvotes
2017-01-25T07:11:17 < ReadError> I worked v.hard in Preview.app to make this
2017-01-25T07:11:38 < aandrew> AMD's paying me to buy a new mb+cpu+ram+gpu, I think I'm going to get an FX-8300 w/ GA-990FX-UD3 Ultra and 32G of 8G 1600 DDR3
2017-01-25T07:12:09 < ReadError> ddr3?
2017-01-25T07:12:14 < ReadError> yea get an intel man wtf
2017-01-25T07:12:22 < aandrew> ReadError: AMD development
2017-01-25T07:12:25 < aandrew> need an AMD system :-)
2017-01-25T07:12:40 < ReadError> virtualize the arch ;)
2017-01-25T07:12:42 < aandrew> I have a nice first-gen i7 system that's 6ish years old and awesome
2017-01-25T07:12:54 < ReadError> why no ddr4?
2017-01-25T07:13:01 < aandrew> and a 4 blade server with dual L5560s in each blade
2017-01-25T07:13:14 < aandrew> no DDR4 AMD motherboards that I'm aware of
2017-01-25T07:13:20 < ReadError> haha wtf
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2017-01-25T07:13:46 < aandrew> now I gotta figure out video
2017-01-25T07:13:52 < aandrew> I know nothing about AMD hardware
2017-01-25T07:13:54 < ReadError> nvidia
2017-01-25T07:13:56 < ReadError> obviously
2017-01-25T07:14:02 < ohsix> sup
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2017-01-25T07:14:07 < aandrew> he says to find something with Bonaire, Tonga, Hawaii, Fiji, Polaris 10, or Polaris 11 chip
2017-01-25T07:14:16 < ohsix> Mem:            15G        3.8G        6.4G        1.0G        5.4G         10G
2017-01-25T07:14:26 < ohsix> would have been fine with one more gig
2017-01-25T07:14:34 < aandrew> so looks like HD7k series
2017-01-25T07:14:44 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I do, I've been looking at it with mild interest
2017-01-25T07:14:52 < aandrew> but I can't wait and they're paying for it so who cares
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2017-01-25T07:26:35 < ohsix> wat type of development aandrew?
2017-01-25T07:30:31 < aandrew> ohsix: nothing awesme right now
2017-01-25T07:30:45 < aandrew> basically building native packages for their free and pro drivers
2017-01-25T07:30:51 < aandrew> some hardware testing later
2017-01-25T07:30:54 < aandrew> which is what this is for
2017-01-25T07:31:25 < aandrew> gonna get an rx470 or 480 I think
2017-01-25T07:31:28 < aandrew> that seems to be the shit
2017-01-25T07:35:06 < dongs>  < flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjmjYVNuLEE
2017-01-25T07:35:09 < dongs> not this fucking url again
2017-01-25T07:36:24 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-01-25T07:36:28 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: your turn to paste it
2017-01-25T07:36:47 < upgrdman> dongs, why the different colored LEDs in that machine
2017-01-25T07:36:55 < upgrdman> just to be kawaii?
2017-01-25T07:36:57 < dongs> what leds
2017-01-25T07:37:11 < ohsix> aandrew: cool
2017-01-25T07:37:14 < dongs> oh red/purple
2017-01-25T07:37:20 < dongs> im sure its somethign  to do wiht the way it scans for features
2017-01-25T07:37:27 < ohsix> that means they're putting money in a good place, i'm glad you're getting some of it
2017-01-25T07:37:30 < dongs> maybe differnt backlight makes different stuff show betterr
2017-01-25T07:38:09 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-25T07:38:15 < ohsix> aandrew: you'll be the only person i've known in like 10 years with an amd machine, you'll have to keep notes about prices and how shit sucks :D
2017-01-25T07:38:27 < aandrew> yeah
2017-01-25T07:38:31 < aandrew> I know a few people
2017-01-25T07:38:44 < aandrew> but this'll be the first AMD machine I"ve onwed in ... more than a decade
2017-01-25T07:38:50 < ohsix> i'm sure it will be ok, btu i don't hav emoney for a computer period so i hadn't speculatively bought stuff to check
2017-01-25T07:39:03 < ohsix> eek muh spellz
2017-01-25T07:40:16 < dongs> probably the last too
2017-01-25T07:40:40 < aandrew> yeah I hate buying hardware
2017-01-25T07:41:31 < ohsix> i can still play games and shit on my stuff from 2006
2017-01-25T07:41:43 < upgrdman> is AMD making any competitive CPUs these days
2017-01-25T07:41:51 < upgrdman> or just "we're a bit cheaper"
2017-01-25T07:42:16 < ohsix> why wouldn't they be competitive
2017-01-25T07:42:40 < ohsix> i'm glad they're in the consoles so they have some breathing room
2017-01-25T07:42:59 < ohsix> they can deliver semi/custom parts to the microsofts and the sony's, they're more agile
2017-01-25T07:43:41 < dongs> no, amd is complete trash
2017-01-25T07:43:48 < dongs> intel has been raping them for generations
2017-01-25T07:43:53 < dongs> only poor fucks like o6 would evne consider AMD
2017-01-25T07:43:58 < dongs> cuz you can buy thier processor for like $20
2017-01-25T07:44:09 < dongs> they even have a special BLACK EDITION for mega-poor fucks
2017-01-25T07:44:20 < dongs> totally nothign to do wiht only blacks being able to afford them
2017-01-25T07:44:30 < ohsix> i'm in a weird place, i wish he'd unignore me so he wasn't so far off
2017-01-25T07:44:46 < ohsix> it was at least entertaining in the beginning cuz he was pretty close, i am predictable
2017-01-25T07:48:42 < dongs> is leelooman pro-amd
2017-01-25T07:48:54 < dongs> or just pro-dumbthings
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2017-01-25T07:54:41 < ohsix> guh dog is insane for balls
2017-01-25T07:54:53 < ohsix> their entire being seems to be destroying shit
2017-01-25T07:55:36 < emeb_mac> true
2017-01-25T07:56:08 < emeb_mac> cats may scratch things up a bit, but they're no match for a dog in tearing things to absolute shreds
2017-01-25T07:58:22 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/E38CjeH
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2017-01-25T08:11:54 < ReadError> ohsix: frontline.s35e06.divided.states.of.america.part.1.hdtv.x264-w4f.rar
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2017-01-25T08:15:19 < dongs> unfunny
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2017-01-25T08:27:27 < dongs> you mean for reasons other than midi is absolutely amaze?
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2017-01-25T08:29:30 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/rogerclark/status/824129620421251075
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2017-01-25T08:42:52 < ohsix> ReadError: have you watched a lot of frontline, is that an exceptional episode, or just a good thing to watch
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2017-01-25T08:43:05 < ReadError> i watched a lot 
2017-01-25T08:43:11 < ohsix> aight
2017-01-25T08:43:14 < ReadError> of the past few yrs anyways
2017-01-25T08:43:22 < ReadError> but this is a 2 part thing
2017-01-25T08:43:22 < ohsix> cool
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2017-01-25T08:43:35 < ohsix> that's one of the things i've wanted to get into but it's a lot of time
2017-01-25T08:43:37 < ReadError> goes back to mccain/palin
2017-01-25T08:43:41 < ReadError> and how shit kicked off
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2017-01-25T08:43:57 < ReadError> its a good series
2017-01-25T08:44:07 < ohsix> kind of like npr, i dont' turn it off when they play folk music, there's a good mix of everything and you should at least check out the stuff you're not interested in, because they do a good job
2017-01-25T08:45:34 < ohsix> i rememebr way back in the day people talking about 'state' tv/media and public funding and shit, when i was a kid
2017-01-25T08:45:54 < ohsix> it's ironic how good pbs / npr are, partly (mostly?) publicly funded
2017-01-25T08:45:58 < ohsix> contrast with RT and other shit
2017-01-25T08:46:04 < aandrew> yeah I listen to a lot of CBC radio one
2017-01-25T08:46:07 < aandrew> whihc is like NPR
2017-01-25T08:46:09 < ohsix> people would conflate the two
2017-01-25T08:46:16 < ohsix> ya
2017-01-25T08:46:18 < ReadError> its def pretty unbiased
2017-01-25T08:46:22 < ohsix> and they'd do it because it is good
2017-01-25T08:46:24 < ReadError> and factual 
2017-01-25T08:46:38 < ohsix> it is a threat to their opportunity to sell ads via their media platforms
2017-01-25T08:46:43 < ohsix> so they have to hate it
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2017-01-25T08:49:19 < ReadError> mccain ran a pretty solid/honest campaign 
2017-01-25T08:49:35 < ReadError> wouldnt let people badmouth obama
2017-01-25T08:49:43 < ohsix> yea
2017-01-25T08:49:54 < ohsix> IMO it was wide open until sarah palin
2017-01-25T08:50:12 < ohsix> like everything mccain could have done by being mccain was just nullified
2017-01-25T08:51:44 < ReadError> they say palin is what started this revolution
2017-01-25T08:51:47 < ReadError> so to speak
2017-01-25T08:52:02 < ReadError> the transformation of the republican party
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2017-01-25T08:54:01 < ohsix> i can see that
2017-01-25T08:54:10 < ohsix> as a test of the waters it is kind of genius
2017-01-25T08:54:32 < ohsix> assume people knew mccain wasn't going to win, getting palin on there and letting the public see it could enable a bunch of real fucktards
2017-01-25T08:55:20 < ohsix> uno wat i mean? all the talk going around about punching fascists being ok or not
2017-01-25T08:55:43 < ohsix> once people are allowed to speak and talk about genocide and hating people freely, everyone that has ever had that sort of stifled inkling starts getting excited
2017-01-25T08:56:26 < ReadError> grab this ep
2017-01-25T08:56:32 < ReadError> they go through how he fucked up 
2017-01-25T08:56:34 < ohsix> i never thought about fascist speech 'convincing' me of anything but the shit about no-platforming and other crap appealed to my sense of reason, that universally you shouldn't respond to speech by trying to take away their ability to speak
2017-01-25T08:56:36 < ReadError> the exact point
2017-01-25T08:56:37 < ohsix> yea already am
2017-01-25T08:57:12 < ohsix> and that 'speech must be met with other speech', well, if one person is saying they're going to kill you, they're not exactly something to meet
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2017-01-25T08:58:35 < ohsix> oh shit i should probably be more paranoid about what i say now too
2017-01-25T08:58:51 < upgrdman_> y
2017-01-25T08:58:53 < ohsix> but it's time to put up or shut up
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2017-01-25T08:59:08 < ohsix> new president terd that has some control over the intelligence services
2017-01-25T08:59:52 < ReadError> pretty sure intelligence services hate his guts
2017-01-25T09:00:18 < upgrdman> "we should put up a candidate next time and swing things"
2017-01-25T09:01:24 < upgrdman> anyone use an orange peeler? they neat or a gimmick?
2017-01-25T09:01:35 < upgrdman> the little hook on a stick thingies
2017-01-25T09:01:46 < ohsix> ReadError: yea but like
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2017-01-25T09:01:55 < ohsix> think about signing messages with the same private key for a long time
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2017-01-25T09:02:19 < ohsix> anyone that gets that key can go back and decode all the messages signed with it, they just need to store it for that eventuality
2017-01-25T09:02:37 < ReadError> maybe
2017-01-25T09:02:41 < ohsix> upgrdman: it probably works good
2017-01-25T09:02:43 < ReadError> also why i internet through vpn
2017-01-25T09:02:50 < ohsix> that doesn't do anything heh
2017-01-25T09:02:55 < ohsix> but right
2017-01-25T09:02:59 < ReadError> keeps my identity more fluid
2017-01-25T09:03:03 < ReadError> makes it harder for them
2017-01-25T09:03:28 < upgrdman> didnt snowden reveal how their track through VPNs/tor/etc
2017-01-25T09:03:32 < ohsix> why do you think the vpn provider would try to defend you if they were asked to provide information they have to identify you?
2017-01-25T09:03:49 < ReadError> ohsix: I know for a fact they wont provide logs
2017-01-25T09:03:52 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://weakdh.org/
2017-01-25T09:03:57 < ReadError> or dont keep logs, rather
2017-01-25T09:03:57 < ohsix> ReadError: no you don't
2017-01-25T09:04:03 < ReadError> ohsix: its in court documents
2017-01-25T09:04:11 < ohsix> and 'they' don't 'need' to 'keep logs'
2017-01-25T09:04:13 < ReadError> from a guy that tried to blow up an elementary school
2017-01-25T09:04:24 < ReadError> they knew the provider
2017-01-25T09:04:31 < ReadError> couldnt get anything from them
2017-01-25T09:06:46 < ohsix> well, you know that one person in a court context wasn't able to get them
2017-01-25T09:06:52 < ohsix> which is different, but fair enough
2017-01-25T09:06:58 < ReadError> https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/01/19/fbi-hides-method-used-catch-pedophile-dark-web/
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2017-01-25T09:07:02 < ReadError> makes ya wonder
2017-01-25T09:07:20 < ReadError> ohsix: what would be to their advantage to log ?
2017-01-25T09:07:33 < ReadError> it cost money and makes them liable to provide such info
2017-01-25T09:07:44 < ReadError> the whole business is based on privacy 
2017-01-25T09:08:10 < ohsix> it costs them money to handle the legal requests
2017-01-25T09:08:15 < ohsix> plus legal scrutiny
2017-01-25T09:08:28 < ReadError> right and theres no requirement for them to retain this info
2017-01-25T09:08:37 < ReadError> so why spend money, code, manhours
2017-01-25T09:08:40 < ohsix> yes but that is a cost, and it would be an advantage to provide it
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2017-01-25T09:08:50 < ohsix> so you have to deal with that now in your argument, hehehe
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2017-01-25T09:09:04 < ReadError> lol thats the whole business though, they DONT keep anything so they cant provide anything
2017-01-25T09:09:24 < ohsix> that's their value proposition, but you have no way of verifying their claims
2017-01-25T09:09:35 < ReadError> sure I can, from that court case
2017-01-25T09:09:50 < ohsix> and, you have the problem i always bring up, you're funneling yourself through a choke point where other parties know who those customers are and what they do
2017-01-25T09:10:24 < ohsix> no, you know what happened in that case, that doesn't mean it would happen again, and it isn't proof of what they're offering over time
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2017-01-25T09:11:35 < ohsix> upgrdman: the essential problem is, though; that you can record these secure sessions and when it becomes important enough, even though the cost is huge, you can try and decrypt them
2017-01-25T09:11:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: over time that information may become more valuable too
2017-01-25T09:11:53 < ohsix> cost of storing it is almost nil
2017-01-25T09:12:35 < ReadError> ohsix: its paid for in tumbled butcoins
2017-01-25T09:12:38 < ohsix> ReadError: don't you remember the intercept gag orders?
2017-01-25T09:13:38 < ohsix> you have to assume that the prosecution was providing all the information
2017-01-25T09:14:07 < ohsix> think about how the fbi pressured apple until all of the sudden it didn't have to
2017-01-25T09:14:28 < ReadError> well if anyone has PACER access
2017-01-25T09:14:37 < ReadError> it should be possible to find something
2017-01-25T09:14:51 < ohsix> why?
2017-01-25T09:15:14 < ohsix> prosecution or defense don't offer information that won't help them (generally speaking)
2017-01-25T09:15:30 < ohsix> but that doesn't mean that everything they knew will be in some record
2017-01-25T09:15:57 < ReadError> your acting pretty paranoid 
2017-01-25T09:16:16 < ReadError> why would they keep logs to help someone who the whole purpose of the business is aimed at defeating
2017-01-25T09:16:58 < ohsix> nah it isn't paranoia, it's about the nature of what you are certain is true
2017-01-25T09:17:16 < ohsix> i'm saying that you don't have enough of it to be as confident as you are about what is going on
2017-01-25T09:18:23 < ohsix> at the very least, you don't know that any case later will have the same outcome re: logs and such
2017-01-25T09:19:26 < ohsix> the feds can put a collection device on the network where both sides of the traffic flows through
2017-01-25T09:19:46 < ohsix> the vpn provider wouldn't necessarily even know, and the carrier isn't going to tell them, everyone is gagged
2017-01-25T09:20:32 < ohsix> https://theintercept.com/2015/09/14/federal-court-fully-lifts-fbi-gag-order-first-time-14-years/
2017-01-25T09:21:05 < ohsix> i'm not giving you advice or anything, so don't sweat it, it just doesn't do what you think it does
2017-01-25T09:21:09 < ReadError> A subpoena was sent tt? London Trust M edia and the only information they eould provide is that
2017-01-25T09:21:09 < ReadError> the cluster of IP addresses being used was from the east eoast of the United States. However,
2017-01-25T09:21:09 < ReadError> London Trust did provide that they accept paym ent for their services through credit card with a
2017-01-25T09:21:09 < ReadError> vendor company of Stripe and/or Amazon. They also accept forms of paym ent online through
2017-01-25T09:21:09 < ReadError> paypal, bitpay, bit coin, cashyou, ripple, ok pay, and pay garden.
2017-01-25T09:21:22 < ReadError> OCR sux
2017-01-25T09:21:49 < ohsix> that's more than no information
2017-01-25T09:21:52 < ohsix> east coast
2017-01-25T09:22:07 < ohsix> that probably means they have ingress logging of some sort through the networks they peer with
2017-01-25T09:22:08 < ReadError> thats where the IP he used was, not his own ip
2017-01-25T09:22:21 < ReadError> they know which datacenters have which ips...
2017-01-25T09:22:43 < ohsix> then i don't know why you posted that part
2017-01-25T09:22:45 < ReadError> 'cluster of IP addresses being used'
2017-01-25T09:23:04 < ReadError> because thats all there is
2017-01-25T09:23:14 < ReadError> they asked, they couldnt get any details
2017-01-25T09:23:24 < ReadError> so they moved on
2017-01-25T09:23:28 < ohsix> that doesn't mean there were none
2017-01-25T09:23:43 < ohsix> i'm not a lawyer tho, you can ask one what i mean huehouehoruh
2017-01-25T09:24:21 < ReadError> ur argument is weak, ive shown something to back up mine
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2017-01-25T09:27:22 < ohsix> don't ever let me talk you out of eating poo you think is chocolate
2017-01-25T09:28:38 < ohsix> you're introducing a specific risk by soliciting a provider that 'the world' knows is bought and used by people trying to hide/obfuscate things they're scared about
2017-01-25T09:28:56 < ohsix> vpns are sold on the basis of protecting your privacy and shit, and on torrent sites and other garbage
2017-01-25T09:29:08 < ohsix> it's like usenet reseller networks, except for the paranoid
2017-01-25T09:29:36 < ohsix> here's a great analogy, you might be in the kkk, but it is easier for everyone to know you are if you go to the rallies
2017-01-25T09:31:29 < ohsix> but i guess having to tell you who vpns are sold to, and you thinking/knowing differently undermines the point that 'everyone knows'
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2017-01-25T09:33:38 < ohsix> no worries tho, this is actually the most casual pal perpetual arguments i've ever had, low/no risk and it just comes up again, nobody gets upset or anything, it's kind of nice :p
2017-01-25T09:35:10 < dongs> cp32
2017-01-25T09:35:45 < ohsix> dang
2017-01-25T09:35:54 < ohsix> if dave would stop talking and get a multimeter sometimes
2017-01-25T09:35:58 < ohsix> beep that shit out dawg
2017-01-25T09:36:11 < ohsix> save viewers 15 minutes of nothing
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2017-01-25T09:46:49 < ohsix> https://blog.csiro.au/tinker-torrentor-streamer-spy-vpn-privacy-alert/ not totally relevant, but the people writing this software know who buys them
2017-01-25T09:47:38 < ohsix> hm i need to actually set up a vpn for someone, but needed to try it; forgot android had a vpn client, i can do that here and just use my phone with it and shake out the problems
2017-01-25T09:51:06 < dongs> well certianly not HYDRAIRC
2017-01-25T09:51:37 < ohsix> lul firefox 51 got flac support
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2017-01-25T09:52:46 < ohsix> cooz
2017-01-25T09:53:23 < ohsix> quim
2017-01-25T09:55:28 < ohsix> Not A Victorian Word Zone
2017-01-25T09:58:04 < ohsix> https://www.google.com/search?q=spinner
2017-01-25T09:59:01 < ohsix> https://www.google.com/search?q=solitaire heh nice
2017-01-25T09:59:09 < ohsix> this is how google will beat facebook
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2017-01-25T10:12:37 < ohsix> daww upgrdman is gone
2017-01-25T10:12:46 < ohsix> ReadError: i ordered these http://www.ebay.com/itm/142213621789?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=441281145986&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT they're super tiny lul
2017-01-25T10:12:53 < ohsix> going to use for shit on articulated 3d prints
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2017-01-25T11:11:25 < ohsix> freaky
2017-01-25T11:11:38 < ohsix> internet totally fine all over, all connections to irc servers reset
2017-01-25T11:12:08 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Qckixt97/loldoland.png
2017-01-25T11:12:22 < ReadError> clip from pt2 lol
2017-01-25T11:17:36 < ohsix> heh, i was thinking the other day while i was driving, about how the term divisive had been weaponized
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2017-01-25T11:21:14 < ohsix> it made sense as a concept the first few times i heard it
2017-01-25T11:21:59 < ohsix> people are divided generally, and that isn't necessarily politically interesting in any way, but asserting the other guy is making it worse is awesome
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2017-01-25T12:03:04 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C21NCLzUUAAFQ4E.jpg heheh
2017-01-25T12:03:22 < ohsix> maybe martyrs aren't so bad
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2017-01-25T12:32:15 < Steffanx> ReadError, is that some filter or a real  old style screenshot?
2017-01-25T12:32:28 < ReadError> Steffanx: still frame
2017-01-25T12:32:39 < ReadError> I paused and use vlc snapshot
2017-01-25T12:32:44 < Steffanx> Hah ok.
2017-01-25T12:33:02 < ReadError> but those are his tweets, 4 years ago
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2017-01-25T12:39:05 < dongs> who cares
2017-01-25T12:39:13 < dongs> real question is
2017-01-25T12:39:16 < dongs> how long did someone had to scroll
2017-01-25T12:39:16 < dongs> dowen
2017-01-25T12:39:17 < dongs> down
2017-01-25T12:39:20 < dongs> to get to those twats
2017-01-25T12:39:22 < dongs> from 2012.
2017-01-25T12:39:34 < dongs> cuz afaik there's no way to page twatter timeline
2017-01-25T12:39:45 < ReadError> I wonder if hes still tweeting shit at 3am lol
2017-01-25T12:48:10 < dongs> how do I get url to a youtube ad
2017-01-25T12:49:21 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pG5RgZm8r4 got it, was in stats for nerds as video ID
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2017-01-25T13:04:10 < ReadError> weird ass jap ad
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2017-01-25T14:25:31 < karlp> check out this awesome: http://www.bitscope.com/product/blade/
2017-01-25T14:27:01 < Steffanx> Not sure about sarcasm.
2017-01-25T14:27:20 < Steffanx> Especially since karlp is a real optimist :P
2017-01-25T14:27:53 < psprint_> who will be first person on channel to own STM32H7 Cortex-M7 400 MHz 1MB ? ;)
2017-01-25T14:28:40 < zyp> not me
2017-01-25T14:28:42 < Laurenceb> prob Tectu
2017-01-25T14:28:48 < zyp> overkill and then some
2017-01-25T14:29:04 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab2SbAOTTQI
2017-01-25T14:29:35 < Steffanx> You can also go A5 (or something) instead psprint_
2017-01-25T14:29:36 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG9w7vzPpus
2017-01-25T14:29:40 < Laurenceb> lul java whyyy
2017-01-25T14:30:13 < Laurenceb> IOT coffee machine...
2017-01-25T14:30:29 < Laurenceb> nice gui tho
2017-01-25T14:30:58 < psprint_> Steffanx: like this one? https://www.pine64.org/?product=pine-a64-board-1gb
2017-01-25T14:32:11 < psprint_> no retailers seem to have H7
2017-01-25T14:32:17 < psprint_> boards
2017-01-25T14:32:26 < Steffanx> I was more refering to sama5(whatever) from atmel. And nxp has some too. But.. 
2017-01-25T14:32:27 < Laurenceb> allweiner
2017-01-25T14:32:43 < Steffanx> Yeah you dont want what laurenceb said.
2017-01-25T14:34:45 < Laurenceb> hopefully Tectu will have µGFX running on H7 soon and make guis great again
2017-01-25T14:35:28 < Steffanx> Tectu needs some graphics designer first 
2017-01-25T14:35:38 < Steffanx> To make nice looking demos
2017-01-25T14:35:46 < Steffanx> Oh and anti-aliasing.
2017-01-25T14:36:47 < ReadError> i own like 4, my uncle works for ST
2017-01-25T14:39:24 < dongs>  karlp> check out this awesome: http://www.bitscope.com/product/blade/ < this is some april1 shit right
2017-01-25T14:40:20 < Laurenceb> reliable industrial strength workstations
2017-01-25T14:40:22 < Laurenceb> Rpi
2017-01-25T14:40:23 < Laurenceb> ...
2017-01-25T14:40:38 < Laurenceb> lul dat board
2017-01-25T14:40:48 < Laurenceb> is dat some comic sans?
2017-01-25T14:41:23 < Laurenceb> http://www.bitscope.com/product/blade/03.jpg irl lolling
2017-01-25T14:41:32 < psprint_> Does ST do some low power chips? Texas MSP430FR5969 can do 100 µA/MHz in active mode. I think battery powering is like first thing when it comes to embedded, Arduino fails at this while it had a chance to at least power down linear regulator in power saving mode
2017-01-25T14:41:39 < dongs> attn crt  "Fitted with ALPS RK27 Blue Velvet pots, carbon resistors, polyester mylar capacitors and ultra low noise hi-fi grade
2017-01-25T14:41:41 < Laurenceb>  stm32l*
2017-01-25T14:41:42 < dongs>             worldwide custom power supply, all culminating in Bozak▒s signature rich warm sound now in a desk top format."
2017-01-25T14:41:54 < Laurenceb> carbon resistor
2017-01-25T14:42:03 < dongs> http://www.bozak.com/product/ar-4-desk-top-mixer/
2017-01-25T14:42:15 < Laurenceb> wtf price
2017-01-25T14:43:29 < dongs> ha dual analog autism meters
2017-01-25T14:43:30 < dongs> must be good
2017-01-25T14:46:27 < psprint_> I see official UART_Printf example that does USB-Serial thing to print on HyperTerminal or Zterm etc. Will this print to IDE (System Workbench) ? Can something be done to just print to IDE's console?
2017-01-25T14:47:00 < dongs> psprint_: ITM_SendChar
2017-01-25T14:47:07 < karlp> psprint_: you should take your credit card out and call your IDE's support line.
2017-01-25T14:47:12 < dongs> ^ and that
2017-01-25T14:47:24 < dongs> i thikn system workbench is that free SW4STM32 shit tho
2017-01-25T14:47:35 < dongs> eclipse + ??? = no support
2017-01-25T14:47:40 < psprint_> karlp: this was surely on topic question
2017-01-25T14:47:55 < dongs> he also provided an on-topic answer ^_^
2017-01-25T14:48:20 < psprint_> I was eclipse hater but SW4STM32 (System Workbench) works well
2017-01-25T14:48:46 < dongs> does it?
2017-01-25T14:49:16 < psprint_> had no other option on Mac so tried it
2017-01-25T14:55:09 < Laurenceb> lul the comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTdaWUDeGsg
2017-01-25T14:58:43 < ReadError> dreamtime
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2017-01-25T15:53:08 < jadew> http://lolworthy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/if-titanic-sunk-in-2016-transgender-meme.jpg
2017-01-25T15:55:24 < Laurenceb> old
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2017-01-25T16:29:20 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Redesign-Banana-BPI/ haha simple task
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2017-01-25T17:01:39 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/v7YUPYQ.png
2017-01-25T17:02:58 < karlp> what are we looking at?
2017-01-25T17:03:16 < zyp> points and lines
2017-01-25T17:05:16 < karlp> ah, of course, how could I have missed it
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2017-01-25T17:06:40 < englishman> anemometer @ home from thismorning
2017-01-25T17:07:13 < zyp> satellite dish here got torn off the wall this morning
2017-01-25T17:07:35 < englishman> from the wind, or black people
2017-01-25T17:08:39 < zyp> wind
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2017-01-25T17:09:45 < karlp> 17m/s gusting to ~20m/s?
2017-01-25T17:12:52 < englishman> sounds about right
2017-01-25T17:13:29 < karlp> is that particularly breezy for your area?
2017-01-25T17:13:46 < englishman> yeah
2017-01-25T17:14:01 < englishman> no coastline for 1000km
2017-01-25T17:14:18 < zyp> hmm, there's a measuring station on a mountain top a few kilometers away, right now it says 17.3 m/s, gusting to 26.1
2017-01-25T17:14:36 < zyp> earlier today 33.1 gusting to 47.1
2017-01-25T17:15:51 < englishman> surface wind is usually much lower, can be 1/2 of wind just 20m up
2017-01-25T17:16:05 < zyp> that's why I specified mountain top :p
2017-01-25T17:16:07 < englishman> in my experience anyway
2017-01-25T17:16:08 < englishman> yea :)
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2017-01-25T17:37:29 < karlp> road other side of the bay is currently 7m/s  gusting to 17ms, but it's fairly notorious
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2017-01-25T17:45:27 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GToHqcRbw?t=218
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2017-01-25T18:03:49 < Thorn> why does windows play its device attached/detached sounds when I connect/disconnect targets to/from an st-link?
2017-01-25T18:04:18 < Thorn> (but not every time)
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2017-01-25T18:06:18 < Thorn> and device manager updates its list too (but st-link does not disappear from it)
2017-01-25T18:06:31 < Thorn> could be a usb reset
2017-01-25T18:26:40 < englishman> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/scs/51060HIC125/SCP306-ND/1621627
2017-01-25T18:26:41 < englishman> lol
2017-01-25T18:26:48 < englishman> you want how much for those, digikey???
2017-01-25T18:28:59 < ReadError> wish they would subtract that from the order cost if they would exclude
2017-01-25T18:29:03 < ReadError> 1st thing to trash
2017-01-25T18:29:15 < englishman> hey ReadError is this the shit i need https://www.amazon.ca/SE-7616SB-Fiberglass-Scratch-Brush/dp/B003NHDITW
2017-01-25T18:29:30 < Tectu> englishman, I have one of those
2017-01-25T18:29:32 < ReadError> ya theres 2 diff sizes
2017-01-25T18:29:37 < ReadError> a micro kinda one
2017-01-25T18:29:39 < ReadError> and a bigger one
2017-01-25T18:29:40 < ReadError> get both
2017-01-25T18:29:51 < englishman> amadongs doesnt have shit
2017-01-25T18:29:55 < ReadError> since they arent really interchangable use wise
2017-01-25T18:30:05 < ReadError> i got both mine from amazedongs
2017-01-25T18:30:07 < englishman> i have to solder to some tented vias
2017-01-25T18:30:19 < ReadError> get the small one then
2017-01-25T18:30:41 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/Extra-Thin-Fiberglass-Scratch-Brush/dp/B002RMCFZM/
2017-01-25T18:30:44 < ReadError> 'extra thin'
2017-01-25T18:31:08 < englishman> but where to find in non-trump country
2017-01-25T18:31:24 < ReadError> try 'scratch brush'
2017-01-25T18:31:30 < englishman> does digikey/mouser have this stuff
2017-01-25T18:31:35 < ReadError> not sure
2017-01-25T18:31:40 < ReadError> eurotool makes the good ones
2017-01-25T18:33:03 < englishman> does it have bristles, or its a single rod of fibreglass
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2017-01-25T18:38:10 < aandrew> englishman: I have that, you can get them at sayal
2017-01-25T18:38:56 < aandrew> I updated all my st-links to jlinks
2017-01-25T18:39:15 < englishman> i think il go with this https://www.amazon.ca/KTI-KTI-70550-Sanding-Pen/dp/B000FN8H52
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2017-01-25T19:07:28 < englishman> hey Laurenceb 
2017-01-25T19:07:35 < englishman> http://www.filedropper.com/democracy-index-2016
2017-01-25T19:07:49 < englishman> apparently UK is a "full democracy"
2017-01-25T19:07:58 < englishman> and this is coming from UKppl
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2017-01-25T19:15:42 < Laurenceb> lul @ military rule figure
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2017-01-25T19:35:04 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-38744307
2017-01-25T19:37:32 < Laurenceb> Leeloo spotted https://media.8ch.net/file_store/c780a748af5a4f0276e02bf9153fbc7e1c11e1a590afacf38b7d52fbe94921c6.png
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2017-01-25T19:55:38 < kakimir> interesting
2017-01-25T19:56:10 < qyx> wut
2017-01-25T19:56:12 < qyx> autodesk eagle?
2017-01-25T19:58:32 < kakimir> laurenceb
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2017-01-25T20:29:20 < Steffanx> qyx missed that news?
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2017-01-25T20:40:17 < Steffanx> hah https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/america-first-make-netherlands-second-because-they-requested-it
2017-01-25T20:40:23 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/j-xxis7hDOE?t=39s
2017-01-25T20:41:11 < kakimir> :D
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2017-01-25T20:48:59 < kakimir> monty puthon reference?
2017-01-25T20:49:43 < Steffanx> must be kakimir
2017-01-25T20:52:55 < Steffanx> i dont see it.
2017-01-25T20:53:30 < qyx> Steffanx: apparently yep
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2017-01-25T20:55:26 < Steffanx> No, clue.. i think my browser uses Roboto
2017-01-25T20:56:51 < Steffanx> Or google using you as a guinea pig
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2017-01-25T21:22:09 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ444y_b0Vg
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2017-01-25T21:22:57 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEiDY5qBbg
2017-01-25T21:23:20 < Laurenceb> Leeloo confirmed as cruz fan
2017-01-25T21:25:53 < Steffanx> "confirmed" damn.
2017-01-25T21:26:22 < Steffanx> Maybe she was kickin him in the but all the time. He finally told here to "fuck off" and .. she stopped smiling.
2017-01-25T21:26:34 < Steffanx> Who knows.
2017-01-25T21:28:02 < Steffanx> Same applies to taking every opportunity to make him look bad.
2017-01-25T21:28:22 < Steffanx> Better tell me what he actually said, then i'll judge.
2017-01-25T21:29:03 < Steffanx> because it matters.
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2017-01-25T21:30:43 < Steffanx> Indeed, big-anti is going anti no matter what.
2017-01-25T21:31:37 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyH0DyWdGbg
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2017-01-25T21:36:27 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMHLBlS4W4
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2017-01-25T22:27:52 < Rob235> anyone know a lot about batteries/charging?
2017-01-25T22:28:39 < Rob235> I have a dead car battery thats at 5.2V and I want to charge it with my turnigy accucel 6 but the voltage is too low (connection break error) can I set it to a lower voltage battery (instead of 12v)?
2017-01-25T22:28:45 < Rob235> so that it will charge it a bit, and then increase it to 12
2017-01-25T22:30:13 < englishman> it wont even let you charge lead-acid?
2017-01-25T22:30:24 < englishman> liek you put it in Pb mode, its not in lipo mode right
2017-01-25T22:30:28 < Rob235> right
2017-01-25T22:30:32 < englishman> nice
2017-01-25T22:30:39 < englishman> do you hvae a bench power supply
2017-01-25T22:30:42 < Rob235> no
2017-01-25T22:31:10 < englishman> well my advice is to get one of these https://no.co/g750
2017-01-25T22:31:18 < englishman> this will bring batteries back to life
2017-01-25T22:31:25 < englishman> and if used properly will prevent them from dying
2017-01-25T22:36:05 < Rob235> can I connect it to another car battery with the car running to charge it without putting it back in my car? how long would it take to get up a few V?
2017-01-25T22:36:58 < BrainDamage> starting a car requires a crapload of current
2017-01-25T22:37:22 < BrainDamage> 600A+ for 3s or so
2017-01-25T22:37:39 < englishman> yes Rob235 
2017-01-25T22:37:55 < BrainDamage> few V might not suffice tough to start
2017-01-25T22:38:01 < englishman> disconnect it from car and test voltage after like 10min
2017-01-25T22:38:33 < englishman> yeah dont bother if its only back up to 8V
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2017-01-25T22:41:58 < Rob235> I want to charge it with my lipo charger but since the voltage is so low it wont
2017-01-25T22:42:04 < Rob235> in pb mode...
2017-01-25T22:42:13 < Rob235> its at 5.18V
2017-01-25T22:42:23 < Rob235> been sitting in my car dead for about a week
2017-01-25T22:42:39 < Rob235> I'm not trying to start the car
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2017-01-25T22:44:02 < Rob235> I know, thats what I'm trying to find out
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2017-01-25T22:45:41 < Rob235> If I attach it to another car battery and the voltage starts going up does that mean its not dead?
2017-01-25T22:47:09 < zyp> hmm
2017-01-25T22:47:32 < Rob235> someone told me to try a 9v one
2017-01-25T22:47:38 < zyp> I made some display emulation shit for my oled thing
2017-01-25T22:47:44 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/hTFsT.png
2017-01-25T22:47:49 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ijmPl.jpg
2017-01-25T22:49:03 < zyp> you can't tell from the pic?
2017-01-25T22:51:25 < zyp> I'm aware there's some with a blue and a yellow area, yes, haven't seen any others
2017-01-25T22:51:52 < zyp> haven't seen one with seven different colors yet
2017-01-25T22:52:00 < zyp> :p
2017-01-25T22:53:43 < zyp> http://www.waveshare.com/product/modules/oleds-lcds/oled/0.95inch-rgb-oled-a.htm <- here's the module I got
2017-01-25T22:54:09 < zyp> not sure how much just panel is, but it can't be that awful given module is $12 :p
2017-01-25T22:55:56 < zyp> how are you encoding the font? I like that 5x8 fonts can be encoded in five bytes, one per line
2017-01-25T22:56:53 < zyp> and since the display can receive data both col-first and row-first it's pretty easy to just grab a byte of the font and feed a col to the display
2017-01-25T22:58:07 < zyp> on the other hand, it seems like pretty much everything else is row-first only, so I'm wondering if it's worth doing it like this
2017-01-25T22:58:18 < zyp> in terms of portability to other shit
2017-01-25T22:59:32 < zyp> sure, I'm not concerned about that
2017-01-25T23:00:11 < zyp> I'm more concerned about the annoyance of having to either pack or pad stuff that doesn't fit into a byte exactly
2017-01-25T23:00:53 < zyp> not that it matters a lot since I can do windows either way
2017-01-25T23:02:05 < zyp> you would pad every glyph to be 32 bits wide?
2017-01-25T23:04:05 < zyp> I know
2017-01-25T23:04:23 < zyp> I'm not sure I care about that
2017-01-25T23:04:26 < zyp> I guess I might
2017-01-25T23:05:44 < zyp> 5x8 is nice in that the display can fit exactly 8 lines of 16 characters
2017-01-25T23:06:43 < Steffanx> jpa- wrote this nice mcufont. :)
2017-01-25T23:07:39 < zyp> hmm, I guess I could just do everything as packed sprites
2017-01-25T23:08:18 < zyp> like, a 3x3 image would be encoded CCBBBAAA 0000000C, A being first word, C being last
2017-01-25T23:09:31 < zyp>  5x8 font would be like BBBAAAAA DCCCCCBB EEEEDDDD and so on
2017-01-25T23:10:27 < zyp> then I could use the same rendering code for font glyphs and other images
2017-01-25T23:12:47 < zyp> the what?
2017-01-25T23:13:47 < zyp> I'm not sure what you refer to
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2017-01-25T23:15:09 < zyp> I know what a proportional font is, I'm just not sure what handling you're talking about
2017-01-25T23:16:08 < zyp> yes
2017-01-25T23:16:51 < zyp> and secondly you need to find the glyphs, and being of varying size they either need to be padded to the same size or you need an offset table that tells you where to find each
2017-01-25T23:17:41 < zyp> this is not the same kind of padding I were talking about earlier
2017-01-25T23:19:29 < zyp> padding between glyphs is of a much lesser concern than padding between lines
2017-01-25T23:20:40 < Rob235> 5 min connected to a running car battery and now my battery charger is charging it :)
2017-01-25T23:21:10 < BrainDamage> 5 minutes into charge and chill when the battery gives you this volt
2017-01-25T23:21:12 < zyp> LeelooMinai, because say three bits wasted for every glyph is much less than three bits wasted for every line in a glyph
2017-01-25T23:21:39 < Rob235> what voltage should it stop charging at?
2017-01-25T23:22:00 < BrainDamage> 14V or so
2017-01-25T23:22:25 < zyp> are you retarded?
2017-01-25T23:22:27 < Rob235> ok cool
2017-01-25T23:22:57 < englishman> lol BrainDamage 
2017-01-25T23:23:46 < zyp> if you have n glyphs with m lines each, and m is significantly larger than 1, then n * m will be much larger than n
2017-01-25T23:27:03 < zyp> that doesn't make sense either, since how well you hit the word granularity depends on the font size
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2017-01-25T23:27:56 < zyp> 5x8 stored vertically doesn't need any padding and thus doesn't waste any bits, stored horizontally without packing it'd need three bits of padding per line
2017-01-25T23:28:11 < zyp> that's 24 bits wasted
2017-01-25T23:28:48 < zyp> meanwhile, stored packed, it still fits in five bytes, so it doesn't need any packing before the next glyph
2017-01-25T23:30:12 < zyp> that relates to glyph packing, not line packing
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2017-01-25T23:30:39 < zyp> you're mixing up two separate problems
2017-01-25T23:32:16 < zyp> okay, let's consider a proportional font, let's keep this small to make it easy, say 8px tall
2017-01-25T23:32:43 < zyp> sure, whatever
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2017-01-25T23:33:53 < zyp> since letters are smaller in width than height, we can assume that each glyph of a 9px font is not wider than 8px, so each line should fit in a single byte
2017-01-25T23:34:11 < zyp> with a number of padding bits depending on the glyph width
2017-01-25T23:34:32 < zyp> this will make all glyphs 9 bytes large
2017-01-25T23:35:29 < zyp> a glyph that's only 4 bits large will thus require 4 bits of padding for every line, meaning there's 9*4=36 bits wasted
2017-01-25T23:35:45 < zyp> and 36 bits of actual data
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2017-01-25T23:37:22 < zyp> if we instead of pad the lines, pack the bits for each line, we've got 36 consecutive bits, which fits in 5 bytes with 4 bits of padding
2017-01-25T23:37:54 < zyp> these 4 bits are the padding between glyphs, it'll be 0-7 depending on the glyph size
2017-01-25T23:38:14 < zyp> whereas the line padding will be 0-7 times the number of lines in the glyph
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2017-01-25T23:39:00 < zyp> it should therefore be obvious that eliminating line padding is a much larger gain than eliminating padding between glyphs
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2017-01-25T23:41:35 < zyp> then you must be bad at reading, because that's what you suggested to be 9px
2017-01-25T23:44:00 < englishman> zyp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5FKWNqC34
2017-01-25T23:44:29 < zyp> LeelooMinai, and by that I assumed we'd encode 9 bits of height for all glyphs
2017-01-25T23:44:46 < Steffanx> You drive 80 km/h when the weather is like that englishman?
2017-01-25T23:44:48 < zyp> LeelooMinai, anyway, this spoon feeding you doesn't give me anything so I'm done
2017-01-25T23:45:05 < zyp> Steffanx, sure, why not?
2017-01-25T23:46:07 < zyp> correct, since a proportional font must include width for each glyph anyway
2017-01-25T23:46:22 < Steffanx> nah, i see even englishman doesn't do that. He had to go much slower somewhere in the middle of the movie.
2017-01-25T23:46:56 < englishman> well you can't quite see it, but the road ended temporairly
2017-01-25T23:47:36 < zyp> Steffanx, I drove like 1600km in this shit a couple of weeks ago: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/IveEv.jpg
2017-01-25T23:47:44 < zyp> parts of that trip were through weather like that
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2017-01-25T23:49:01 < Steffanx> sounds lovely.
2017-01-25T23:49:02 < zyp> I cleaned off the license plate after I took that photo because I noticed it weren't visible, when I stopped some hours later it was just as covered again
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2017-01-25T23:49:41 < zyp> LeelooMinai, doing variable height as well doesn't make a difference to my point
2017-01-25T23:51:10 < zyp> but I'm off to do something more worthwhile, like reading the mcufont docs to figure out if I want to use that
2017-01-25T23:52:05 < karlp> top muzak there englishman 
2017-01-25T23:52:10 < englishman> thx
2017-01-25T23:52:30 < englishman> i wanted to put johann johansson
2017-01-25T23:52:40 < karlp> I'm stuck in Mr flagio, perhaps I should get something a bit more banging on.
2017-01-25T23:53:10 < karlp> englishman: what is the track you used?
2017-01-25T23:53:13 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'd rather not waste my time
2017-01-25T23:53:19 < zyp> wasted enough already
2017-01-25T23:53:26 < karlp> isnt' all johann johansson just tv/movie soudntrack shits?
2017-01-25T23:53:45 < englishman> karlp: MK2 - Destructoid (free youtube muzak)
2017-01-25T23:54:49 < zyp> LeelooMinai, that's okay, I'm not discussing to win, I'm discussing to learn stuff
2017-01-25T23:55:47 < zyp> I did, it's that talking to you is a waste of time
2017-01-25T23:56:49 < englishman> karlp: mr flagio is pretty dope
2017-01-25T23:57:45 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you said «have the first level index table using bit offsets into the main data table»
2017-01-25T23:58:19 < zyp> first level of what? the font?
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2017-01-25T23:59:17 < zyp> right, then I understood you correctly
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2017-01-26T00:00:02 < zyp> by using bit indexes for each glyph, you want to eliminate the padding between glyphs
2017-01-26T00:00:22 < zyp> and my point is that I'm only concerned about the padding between lines in a glyph
2017-01-26T00:01:38 < zyp> uh, no.
2017-01-26T00:05:00 < zyp> 22:21:12 < zyp> LeelooMinai, because say three bits wasted for every glyph is much less than three bits wasted for every line in a glyph
2017-01-26T00:05:03 < zyp> 22:22:04 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Imo the reverse is true.
2017-01-26T00:05:18 < zyp> please demonstrate how.
2017-01-26T00:06:58 < zyp> what line did that statement refer to then?
2017-01-26T00:08:38 < zyp> when is it false?
2017-01-26T00:10:06 < zyp> more than what`?
2017-01-26T00:10:59 < zyp> I haven't talked about vertical compression, so I don't see how that's «of course»
2017-01-26T00:11:32 < zyp> I haven't said anything about «line compression» either :)
2017-01-26T00:13:03 < zyp> the absence of line padding would be what you call line compression, I guess
2017-01-26T00:13:21 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-01-26T00:13:33 < zyp> I just realized your misconception
2017-01-26T00:14:00 < zyp> maybe
2017-01-26T00:14:16 < zyp> for padding between glyphs, I'm talking about the data
2017-01-26T00:14:25 < zyp> padding bits to make each glyph data byte-aligned
2017-01-26T00:15:28 < zyp> no, I didn't
2017-01-26T00:15:37 < zyp> I've never talked about on-screen padding
2017-01-26T00:15:48 < zyp> have you?
2017-01-26T00:16:11 < zyp> padding to make each line byte-aligned
2017-01-26T00:16:43 < zyp> so that processing of each line can start on a new byte
2017-01-26T00:17:02 < zyp> what did you think it was?
2017-01-26T00:17:59 < zyp> I had it as end of line, really
2017-01-26T00:19:54 < zyp> if you want to avoid that in the future, maybe you could ask to clarify when you think something is unclear rather than assuming and making arguments that makes you look retarded
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2017-01-26T00:20:30 < karlp> nah, muuuuch better to assume and then blame the other party of some sort of bias :)
2017-01-26T00:21:35 < upgrdman> lol. couple days ago china announced vpn crack down. ad revenue on my ras pi vpn video has trippled.
2017-01-26T00:21:47  * upgrdman hugs china
2017-01-26T00:22:27 < zyp> LeelooMinai, it seemed pretty accurate to me
2017-01-26T00:24:29 < Rob235> whats china doing, they also started bitcoin exchange fees
2017-01-26T00:25:14 < upgrdman> Rob235, theyre tightening their grip on the chinese
2017-01-26T00:25:31 < upgrdman> they dont like chinese (or anyone really) take money out of china
2017-01-26T00:25:43 < upgrdman> and they dont like information going into china
2017-01-26T00:26:59 < zyp> hmm, mcufont seems pretty nice, tempted to use
2017-01-26T00:29:16 < emeb> some people just like to argue
2017-01-26T00:29:39 < karlp> zyp: caution, both jpa and tectu commit to mcufont...
2017-01-26T00:29:57 < karlp> heh, only 26 stars and 7 forks? must be garbage project...
2017-01-26T00:30:09 < zyp> I alraedy saw it were MIT licensed, so I'm not concerned about Tectu 
2017-01-26T00:30:10 < zyp> :p
2017-01-26T00:30:23 < karlp> no public members listed.
2017-01-26T00:30:30 < karlp> tectu must be afraid of admitting that MIT is ok ;)
2017-01-26T00:31:56 < upgrdman> is there a tl;dr of what makes MIT nice or bad?
2017-01-26T00:32:14 < zyp> MIT is similar to BSD
2017-01-26T00:32:28 < upgrdman> is there a tl;dr of what makes BSD nice or bad?
2017-01-26T00:32:45 < zyp> they're both kinda «do what the fuck you want with it, just remember that we made it»
2017-01-26T00:32:54 < emeb> yes - that.
2017-01-26T00:32:59 < upgrdman> neat
2017-01-26T00:33:05 < karlp> ie, "useful" licenses.
2017-01-26T00:33:08 < upgrdman> remember == attribute?
2017-01-26T00:33:22 < zyp> yeah, specifics on that might vary
2017-01-26T00:33:25 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-26T00:33:35 < emeb> "don't claim it's yours and try to lock me out of it"
2017-01-26T00:34:13 < zyp> or actually, it seems they both want a note in the documentation or something
2017-01-26T00:34:42 < zyp> stuff like that is what the «licensing information» thing in the android menu is for
2017-01-26T00:42:03 < zyp> of course clang is not entirely happy about the mcufont makefile
2017-01-26T00:42:58 < aandrew> lol
2017-01-26T00:43:05 < aandrew> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1642028/what-is-the-name-of-the-operator-in-c?rq=1
2017-01-26T00:43:17 < zyp> old
2017-01-26T00:43:28 < zyp> it's a cute design pattern :)
2017-01-26T00:44:18 < aandrew> yeah
2017-01-26T00:44:21 < aandrew> I don't like "cute" in my code
2017-01-26T00:45:12 < boB_K7IQ> Life is a dingleberry !
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2017-01-26T00:48:19 < zyp> hmm
2017-01-26T00:49:03 < zyp> mcufont manages to make fixed_5x8 2020 bytes with this RLE compression
2017-01-26T00:49:23 < zyp> that's not super impressive given that a plain 5x8 font array is 1280B :p
2017-01-26T00:51:47 < upgrdman> looking at wiki page for ddr4. says ddr4-2400 has io clock of 1200mhz but memory clock of 300mhz. why would you need an io clock > memory clock?
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2017-01-26T01:01:58 < englishman> memory clock is external clock (running across traces) and io clock is after internal multiplier?
2017-01-26T01:02:16 < upgrdman> i think its the opposite
2017-01-26T01:02:31 < upgrdman> io clock is on the mobo traces, and memory clock is in the silicon
2017-01-26T01:02:37 < englishman> i mean wrt reference clock
2017-01-26T01:02:45 < englishman> hm
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2017-01-26T01:05:21 < zyp> memory being wider than the bus, perhaps?
2017-01-26T01:05:46 < zyp> similar to how f4 flash is four times wider than the bus
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2017-01-26T01:06:00 < upgrdman> oh ya that would make sense
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2017-01-26T01:12:40 < upgrdman> wtf. intel still makes a Fortran cum-piler   https://software.intel.com/en-us/fortran-compilers
2017-01-26T01:13:08 < upgrdman> lol. and a gray-bread in the video there
2017-01-26T01:13:14 < upgrdman> beard even
2017-01-26T01:13:47 < zyp> ah, mcufont has some bwfont stuff too, that's more efficient for 5x8 than rlefont
2017-01-26T01:16:20 < zyp> why is anything compressed ever?
2017-01-26T01:18:13 < zyp> obviously it compresses on the fly when it's rendering, otherwise there would be no point
2017-01-26T01:18:33 < zyp> decompresses*
2017-01-26T01:20:38 < zyp> why? RLE is pretty fast
2017-01-26T01:22:38 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, theres many periods of consecutive white or black in fonts
2017-01-26T01:22:44 < zyp> rendering speed is probably not a major concern either, the text is going to spend order of magnitudes more time being displayed and read than it is being rendered
2017-01-26T01:22:50 < upgrdman> its mostly that
2017-01-26T01:23:43 < zyp> I mean, throwing it over SPI to the display probably takes more time than rendering it
2017-01-26T01:24:08 < zyp> so if you pipeline that, rendering speed is not going to be the bottleneck anyway
2017-01-26T01:24:16 < zyp> even less so for slower i2c oleds
2017-01-26T01:24:35 < zyp> this is ARM, shifting is free :)
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2017-01-26T01:31:57 < zyp> import fonts from where?
2017-01-26T01:32:02 < zyp> and to where?
2017-01-26T01:32:31 < zyp> rlefont is a target format :p
2017-01-26T01:33:03 < zyp> go have a look yourself, you said you don't trust me: https://github.com/mcufont/mcufont/
2017-01-26T01:37:53 < zyp> not in the decoder part of it, it's using freetype to convert ttf to rlefont
2017-01-26T01:40:36 < zyp> uh, that's the entire point
2017-01-26T01:41:03 < zyp> you might want to read through https://github.com/mcufont/mcufont/blob/master/docs/index.rst
2017-01-26T01:47:32 < zyp> grayscale displays could also do antialiasing
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2017-01-26T01:55:11 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-01-26T01:55:23 < Laurenceb_> my mum just found my cousins website
2017-01-26T01:55:27 < Laurenceb_> epic lulz
2017-01-26T01:55:47 < Laurenceb_>  "why does she call herself 'Madam', and why is this creepy guy her 'slave'"
2017-01-26T01:55:53 < Laurenceb_> oh shiittttttt ewwww
2017-01-26T01:58:00 < Laurenceb_> tbh I'm a little worried about her (my cousin)
2017-01-26T01:58:43 < Laurenceb_> slave guy is _very_ creepy
2017-01-26T02:00:21 < boB_K7IQ> I love some of the links that come across this channel !
2017-01-26T02:00:43 < Laurenceb_> well I'm not going to link this site
2017-01-26T02:00:57 < Laurenceb_> too much risk of her getting harassed
2017-01-26T02:02:20 < Laurenceb_> I'm still not sure if the irc creepy weirdos are weirder than the BDSM weirdos
2017-01-26T02:05:48 < Laurenceb_> I'm not sure if I'm most weirded out by Leeloo or crt now
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2017-01-26T02:09:57 < kakimir> recommend cheap china drone
2017-01-26T02:10:04 < kakimir> toy
2017-01-26T02:11:15 < Laurenceb_> I thought of an iphone app
2017-01-26T02:11:21 < Laurenceb_>  hipsterometer
2017-01-26T02:11:35 < Laurenceb_> rates how hipster you look using "magic methods"
2017-01-26T02:11:42 < kakimir> don't be fooled.. laurenceb is..
2017-01-26T02:12:00 < Fleck> zyp: that index.rst seems to be outdated
2017-01-26T02:12:13 < zyp> yeah, I noticed
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2017-01-26T02:12:41 < Laurenceb_> https://www.behance.net/gallery/5220349/Hipster-Meter-iPhone-App
2017-01-26T02:13:10 < Laurenceb_> might exist, not sure if real
2017-01-26T02:14:47 < Laurenceb_> no
2017-01-26T02:15:04 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: moustaches and craft beer
2017-01-26T02:17:06 < Laurenceb_> here
2017-01-26T02:17:08 < Laurenceb_> http://patri-archie-comics.tumblr.com/image/128909312652
2017-01-26T02:17:16 < Laurenceb_> thats a hipster talking about SJWs
2017-01-26T02:18:33 < Laurenceb_> http://patri-archie-comics.tumblr.com/image/131399862107
2017-01-26T02:18:36 < Laurenceb_> dis guy is good
2017-01-26T02:20:24 < Laurenceb_> one of my cousins is on youtube
2017-01-26T02:20:27 < Laurenceb_> dis is good
2017-01-26T02:21:59 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M0XlZFudqY
2017-01-26T02:22:05 < Laurenceb_> sounds pretty Australian
2017-01-26T02:22:35 < Laurenceb_> that video is so hyper
2017-01-26T02:22:42 < Laurenceb_> wtf even is it
2017-01-26T02:23:28 < Laurenceb_> moar like mantrain
2017-01-26T02:24:32 < kakimir> crt: when?
2017-01-26T02:25:09 < Laurenceb_> this is why I hate London
2017-01-26T02:25:19 < Laurenceb_> its full of shit like hacktrain
2017-01-26T02:28:06 < kakimir> are dem chicks there to code?
2017-01-26T02:30:23 < kakimir> ?
2017-01-26T02:30:26 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/TheHackTrain?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
2017-01-26T02:30:37 < Laurenceb_> looks like there is moar of this shit to come
2017-01-26T02:32:27 < Laurenceb_> last time I was in London some creepy guy approached me and started trying to persuade me to work at Docker
2017-01-26T02:32:31 < Laurenceb_> that was very odd
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2017-01-26T02:32:48 < Laurenceb_> kind of like drug sales
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2017-01-26T02:34:41 < kakimir> how are these people like looking so.. normal?
2017-01-26T02:35:26 < kakimir> and social
2017-01-26T02:35:37 < kakimir> and successful
2017-01-26T02:36:31 < Laurenceb_> I'm the only person in my family who doesnt do drugs :(
2017-01-26T02:37:41 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-01-26T02:38:01 < Laurenceb_> I did way too many drugs as undergrad, but not any more
2017-01-26T02:38:16 < Laurenceb_> cant remember much of my time as undergrad
2017-01-26T02:38:56 < Laurenceb_> when ever I go anywhere with my mum we tend to get followed by police as soon as they scan numberplate :P
2017-01-26T02:39:20 < Laurenceb_> and they see her criminal record :P
2017-01-26T02:40:04 < Laurenceb_> heh me too
2017-01-26T02:40:42 < kakimir> crt: when is that?
2017-01-26T02:41:00 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/TheHackTrain/status/802784721134440448
2017-01-26T02:41:06 < Laurenceb_> whut the...
2017-01-26T02:41:08 < kakimir> coke time
2017-01-26T02:42:03 < kakimir> to do coke?
2017-01-26T02:42:44 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/TheHackTrain/status/802645029437243392
2017-01-26T02:42:47 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling
2017-01-26T02:42:57 < Laurenceb_> I should troll my cousin on twitter
2017-01-26T02:43:38 < Laurenceb_> he deserves it for this full retard twitter feed
2017-01-26T02:45:08 < Laurenceb_> how?
2017-01-26T02:45:32 < kakimir> I think I need to quit work
2017-01-26T02:45:43 < kakimir> to irc more
2017-01-26T02:46:28 < aandrew> hm
2017-01-26T02:46:37 < aandrew> did ST remove SNMP from their LwIP shit?
2017-01-26T02:48:55  * Laurenceb_ has only blown up an stm32 entirely twice
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2017-01-26T02:49:35 < Laurenceb_> and both times I literally blew it up with 48v DC from a vehicle battery in one case and -5v from reversed usb in the other
2017-01-26T02:49:48 < Laurenceb_> 48v DC left a crater in the PCB
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2017-01-26T02:49:59 < upgrdman> wtf. does chrome limit how muhc ram it uses? opened like 30 youtube tabs, and the tabs crashed with that retarding "aw, snap. out of memory" error.... despite chrome using <2GB of my 32GB
2017-01-26T02:50:13 < zyp> 32-bit chrome?
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2017-01-26T02:51:07 < Laurenceb_> other times I've fried single GPIO or block of GPIOs
2017-01-26T02:51:15 < upgrdman> pretty sure 64bit
2017-01-26T02:51:17 < upgrdman> how do i check
2017-01-26T02:51:30 < upgrdman> oh
2017-01-26T02:51:32 < upgrdman> about:
2017-01-26T02:51:34 < upgrdman> fuck, 32bit
2017-01-26T02:51:42 < emeb> heh
2017-01-26T02:51:52 < upgrdman> wtf did google install a 32bit version
2017-01-26T02:52:00 < upgrdman> and iirc theres no settings in the installer
2017-01-26T02:52:43 < Laurenceb_> probably worst case you blew the gpio then
2017-01-26T02:52:47 < Laurenceb_> some of the gpio
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2017-01-26T02:55:07 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_Quest
2017-01-26T02:55:53 < Laurenceb_> why would I go on a quest just to end up depressed
2017-01-26T02:57:21 < zyp> hmm, antialiasing looks pretty awful in RGB332
2017-01-26T02:57:40 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/4sdom.png
2017-01-26T02:58:48 < zyp> actually, when it's not upscaled, it doesn't look all that bad, mhmm
2017-01-26T03:02:31 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/c374f9e42a9711a2e0e5e87ed3e70766242f33a4cc11b488e858c9cf131f3692.gif
2017-01-26T03:03:20 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/LCOX6.png <- comparison
2017-01-26T03:04:35 < zyp> guess that font is just too thin to really make antialiasing useful
2017-01-26T03:07:17 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/gs8BU.png
2017-01-26T03:08:25 < aandrew> nonsense, look at the 1:1 at the bottom left
2017-01-26T03:08:31 < aandrew> top line looks better
2017-01-26T03:08:42 < aandrew> look at the curves in 6 and 9 in particular
2017-01-26T03:09:05 < zyp> yes
2017-01-26T03:09:16 < zyp> I agree
2017-01-26T03:09:25 < zyp> that's why I added the 1:1 :)
2017-01-26T03:10:30 < upgrdman> hmmm. what does "vertical bins" (2d histogram) mean to you? the number of rows?
2017-01-26T03:11:55 < upgrdman> ya fuck it. i'll rename the variable to rowCount
2017-01-26T03:12:08 < upgrdman> figured it might be a shit name.
2017-01-26T03:12:16 < kakimir> with antialiasing there comes issue of gamma correction
2017-01-26T03:12:36 < zyp> not a lot of correction you can do with 2-3 bits per color
2017-01-26T03:13:14 < kakimir> would it even change anything?
2017-01-26T03:13:35 < kakimir> like there is decimal 8 of colors?
2017-01-26T03:14:26 < kakimir> one being black one being lit/clear
2017-01-26T03:24:11 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZoe5giEDZw
2017-01-26T03:24:14 < Laurenceb_> lul crt
2017-01-26T03:26:18 < Laurenceb_> >>166911
2017-01-26T03:26:18 < Laurenceb_> Its taken them about 3 years to get thst far
2017-01-26T03:26:32 < Laurenceb_> lul why
2017-01-26T03:26:36 < Laurenceb_> its pretty epic tho
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2017-01-26T03:37:51 < dongs> to blink?!
2017-01-26T03:42:49 < dongs> they need to release new keil
2017-01-26T03:42:54 < dongs> with browse info support in armcland
2017-01-26T03:42:57 < dongs> clang
2017-01-26T03:43:19 < dongs> now if I build a clang project i cant crossreference functions/vars/etc
2017-01-26T03:43:25 < dongs> right click->goto declaration and stuff is gone
2017-01-26T03:45:12 < dongs> unlikely
2017-01-26T03:45:26 < dongs> freefags can only beg for free shit
2017-01-26T03:48:51 < Laurenceb_>  > muh dr poo
2017-01-26T03:48:56 < Laurenceb_>  > muh shitlock
2017-01-26T03:49:03 < Jak_o_Shadows> I should start using an IDE, maybe
2017-01-26T03:49:05 < Laurenceb_> I find myself agreeing with /pol/
2017-01-26T03:49:12 < dongs> ahahah
2017-01-26T03:49:15 < dongs> crt, that faggot
2017-01-26T03:49:20 < dongs> https://youtu.be/Pgw7-WnsBMs?t=276
2017-01-26T03:49:24 < dongs> he typed 16800000
2017-01-26T03:49:34 < dongs> for sysclk
2017-01-26T03:49:53  * Jak_o_Shadows counts zeros
2017-01-26T03:50:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> erm, yes. Wrong number of zeros
2017-01-26T03:50:30 < dongs> done
2017-01-26T03:50:40 < dongs> not lolworthy tho
2017-01-26T03:50:48 < dongs> just pointint out how newb arm is
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2017-01-26T04:55:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/nPsf0ZM.jpg chinagirl 24h turn pcb is surprisingly decent quality
2017-01-26T04:56:03 < dongs> even the drills are in right places
2017-01-26T05:00:44 < emeb_mac> that's a good sign
2017-01-26T05:01:16 < emeb_mac> untented vias?
2017-01-26T05:01:40 < dongs> thats just thin mask
2017-01-26T05:01:55 < dongs> my local place does that too on most proto boards with green mask
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2017-01-26T05:11:01 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLCHRy_1LAY
2017-01-26T05:16:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> why
2017-01-26T05:17:12 < dongs> FIRE
2017-01-26T05:17:14 < dongs> awesome
2017-01-26T05:17:23 < dongs> lol @ that dude driving car away first thing
2017-01-26T05:17:35 < dongs> better not try saving anyone
2017-01-26T05:17:53 < dongs> o shit haha
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2017-01-26T05:21:12 < dongs> why does it still say occupants: 1 under fatalities
2017-01-26T05:21:16 < dongs> if it was just the pilot
2017-01-26T05:21:20 < dongs> or is that counted as 1
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2017-01-26T05:21:45 < dongs> good idea
2017-01-26T05:21:51 < dongs> what if he copies a google AMP link!
2017-01-26T05:22:41 < dongs> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/webmasters/8ogdv04Cm-k this is good for the lulz
2017-01-26T05:26:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> hmm. Some of them seem like a static checker could fix it
2017-01-26T05:26:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> like, closeness of traces at least
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2017-01-26T05:52:51 < upgrdman> she has a nice smile https://i.imgur.com/tCigjlk.gifv
2017-01-26T05:53:38 < dongs> expected to tip over face first into the pool
2017-01-26T05:53:48 < dongs> AND STAY T HERE
2017-01-26T05:54:39 < emeb_mac> wow - that's gotta be hard to deal with
2017-01-26T05:59:04 < ReadError> guuise
2017-01-26T05:59:37 < ReadError> anyone worked w/ galvanic cell sensors?
2017-01-26T06:04:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> Leeloo, I did something similar, it worked
2017-01-26T06:05:01 < dongs> you autismed?
2017-01-26T06:05:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> well, probably not
2017-01-26T06:05:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> just disassemble youre laptop first and take a look
2017-01-26T06:11:12 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/4HSX7 :)
2017-01-26T06:12:08 < Rob235> yup, still going
2017-01-26T06:13:01 < Rob235> charger had a default limit of 8000 mAh cutoff so I let it do its thing when I got home tonight and it reached the cutoff and everything seemed good so I reset the cutoff to 50 Ah and will let it go overnight
2017-01-26T06:13:29 < dongs> heh that cutoff only matters for lipo shit anyway
2017-01-26T06:13:40 < dongs> and it'll automatically stop at the target voltage anyhow
2017-01-26T06:13:53 < dongs> i disabled that shit on my turdigy chargers
2017-01-26T06:14:15 < Rob235> I'm just keeping it enabled to make sure it doesn't run too long for some reason
2017-01-26T06:14:33 < dongs> was the battery superdead or something?
2017-01-26T06:14:35 < dongs> lastlog rob235
2017-01-26T06:14:38 < Rob235> yea
2017-01-26T06:14:51 < Rob235> battery died, then sat in the lot for about 5 days
2017-01-26T06:15:11 < dongs> its probly toast but yeah what you did was ok, just charge it up a bit at lower voltage, switch to higher, if it fials, cahrge it up some more at lower etc.
2017-01-26T06:15:33 < dongs> but yeah last t ime that happened to my truck battery i just tossed it and replaced with a new one. it was beyond repair
2017-01-26T06:15:45 < dongs> but it sat uncharged for months not days
2017-01-26T06:16:01 < Rob235> its a relatively new battery so even if it knocked a couple years off its life I don't care
2017-01-26T06:16:10 < Rob235> I think its less than a year old
2017-01-26T06:16:16 < Thorn> dongs side project http://imgur.com/gallery/ED9Kb
2017-01-26T06:16:43 < Rob235> its looking good so far at least
2017-01-26T06:17:36 < dongs> i think the word youer lookin for is "needs more stm32"
2017-01-26T06:19:00 < dongs> theres a filthy atmega in those tudigy chargers
2017-01-26T06:19:09 < Rob235> car batteries are supposed to last 3-5 years right
2017-01-26T06:21:57 < Rob235> if I remember correctly I bought my car sept 2014 and I think it still had original battery (car is an 06) but that could be a lie
2017-01-26T06:23:25 < Rob235> anyway, I'm happy its working, time for bed, goodnight
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2017-01-26T06:32:42 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/yajuozk2mvby.png
2017-01-26T06:34:10 < dongs> ???
2017-01-26T06:36:27 < upgrdman> caption was "how boss thinks i fix bugs"
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2017-01-26T06:47:09 < upgrdman> anyone know what IR LEDs remotes tend to use? 940 or 850nm?
2017-01-26T06:48:11 < dongs> you know i made an IR remote but I never card about the nm
2017-01-26T06:48:14 < dongs> cared
2017-01-26T06:48:31 < dongs> does it matter cuz on receive end you just buy one of those standard tsop48 shits and it just works?
2017-01-26T06:49:18 < upgrdman> well my ghetto ir blaster isnt working, but the waveforms on it and real remote look the same on o-scope
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2017-01-26T06:53:49 < dongs> what about carrier wave
2017-01-26T06:54:27 < dongs> IR26/71C/L302/TR8
2017-01-26T06:54:30 < dongs> looks like i used this on remote
2017-01-26T06:54:38 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-01-26T06:55:43 < dongs> looks like 940nm
2017-01-26T06:56:04 < dongs> http://www.everlight.com/file/ProductFile/IR26-71C-L302-TR8.pdf
2017-01-26T07:01:27 < upgrdman> <Thorn> dongs side project http://imgur.com/gallery/ED9Kb
2017-01-26T07:01:34 < upgrdman> i should do that with my balancing robot
2017-01-26T07:01:47 < upgrdman> and if the fish gets lazy, i just fall over
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2017-01-26T07:04:35 < dongs> whats it doing, opencv with rageberrypi on the fish movements?
2017-01-26T07:05:14 < upgrdman_> guessing
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2017-01-26T08:05:20 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, not much to compress about the smallest character sizes, especially if you have only ascii
2017-01-26T08:18:31 < jpa-> zyp: btw, u8glib is also nice for those small oled screens
2017-01-26T08:18:45 < dongs> not uguufx?
2017-01-26T08:19:15 < jpa-> i assume zyp knows about existence of ugfx already :P
2017-01-26T08:19:25 < jpa-> but it is a bit of overkill for such a tiny display
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2017-01-26T08:21:52 < emeb_mac> those little displays are fun
2017-01-26T08:22:18 < emeb_mac> did some fiddling with the 96x64 color OLEDs a few months back
2017-01-26T08:22:36 < emeb_mac> was amazed that the controller has line draw and area fill / move built in
2017-01-26T08:22:42 < dongs> eh
2017-01-26T08:22:49 < dongs> that must have been that expensive 4dfx shit
2017-01-26T08:23:04 < dongs> the 0.96" oled junk has nothing just fill gram and invert/scroll
2017-01-26T08:23:17 < emeb_mac> was like $10 on ali
2017-01-26T08:23:24 < dongs> SSDxxx stuff?
2017-01-26T08:23:26 < dongs> or some other controller
2017-01-26T08:23:33 < emeb_mac> checkin...
2017-01-26T08:24:42 < emeb_mac> yeah - ssd1331
2017-01-26T08:25:07 < dongs> * Copyright (c) 2014 seeed technology inc.
2017-01-26T08:25:07 < dongs> * Copyright (c) 2012, Adafruit Industries.
2017-01-26T08:25:25 < dongs> i see. looks like it has some primitives yea
2017-01-26T08:25:28 < dongs> cool
2017-01-26T08:25:34 < dongs> i shoulda used that in shittyflasher
2017-01-26T08:25:38 < dongs> m,aybe next ver
2017-01-26T08:26:16 < jpa-> i've used SSD1306, it's very basic like dongs said
2017-01-26T08:26:33 < dongs> yeah thats the monochrome oen
2017-01-26T08:27:25 < emeb_mac> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/0-95-inch-Colorful-OLED-Module-SSD1331-96-X-64-Resolution-for-51-STM32-Arduino/32719718032.html
2017-01-26T08:28:04 < emeb_mac> screen looks better in person than the photos
2017-01-26T08:28:09 < dongs> right, i think thats the shit zyp is using on his board
2017-01-26T08:29:11 < emeb_mac> codes here: https://github.com/emeb/f042_color_oled
2017-01-26T08:30:25 < dongs> hmm
2017-01-26T08:30:32 < dongs> drawpixel and shit operatesd directly on framebuffer?
2017-01-26T08:30:37 < dongs> no shadowram to update?
2017-01-26T08:30:40 < dongs> that sounds a bit slow
2017-01-26T08:31:19 < emeb_mac> not optimized for speed - just quick & dirty
2017-01-26T08:32:04 < dongs> yeah im curious about controller in general . 1306 had a bfufer ram that got updated to actual screen.
2017-01-26T08:32:53 < dongs> looks like you might be able to write directly to gdram
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2017-01-26T08:58:32 < ohsix> sup
2017-01-26T08:58:55 < ohsix> nothing cool happened today
2017-01-26T08:59:22 < ohsix> i figured out the clock / trigger on a thing i'm not going to talk about tho, just math left
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2017-01-26T09:00:04 < ohsix> 16gb of ram in craptop is amaze
2017-01-26T09:00:18 < ohsix> it can keep up with my fervent button pressings now
2017-01-26T09:00:42 < ohsix> needs ssd now tho
2017-01-26T09:01:04 < ohsix> or at least m2 with os on it
2017-01-26T09:02:51 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-to-Mini-PCIE-mSATA-SSD-mSATA-to-USB-3-0-SSD-dont-need-USB-cable-Hot-/381820709175?hash=item58e649a937:g:OJAAAOSwHMJYOwc4 neat
2017-01-26T09:03:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> I need to figure out clocks properly
2017-01-26T09:04:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> I increased the clock with the HSE to 168MHz (I thought). Then had a timer with a prescaler of 4 (so 42MHz), a set point thing of 1, and a period of 2. And was getting 14.2 MHz ish
2017-01-26T09:05:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> F429iZIT6U - the disc0 board
2017-01-26T09:09:29 < jpa-> if you set ARR to 2, the actual period will be 3
2017-01-26T09:09:36 < jpa-> and 42/3 = 14 MHz
2017-01-26T09:10:59 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: enable MCO
2017-01-26T09:11:06 < dongs> wiht /2 output
2017-01-26T09:11:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> MCO?
2017-01-26T09:11:15 < dongs> then if your sysclk is 168mhz, youll see 168/2 on ooutput
2017-01-26T09:11:15  * Jak_o_Shadows opens reference manual
2017-01-26T09:11:17 < dongs> master clock out
2017-01-26T09:11:21 < dongs> i think it comes out of PA8
2017-01-26T09:11:33 < dongs> then you will know for sure you're running at correct mhz
2017-01-26T09:11:41 < dongs> and then you just haev a off by one in your timer prescalers
2017-01-26T09:12:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> Thats a good idea
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2017-01-26T09:13:26 < dongs> and yeah, most timer related shit in STM is -1
2017-01-26T09:13:41 < dongs> cuz it starts counting from 0 for divider
2017-01-26T09:15:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> I do not have CubeMX open LeelooMinai
2017-01-26T09:15:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> Also, my scope actually only goes to 70MHz I think. My LA goes to 20MHz. 
2017-01-26T09:15:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> But this is REALLLY useful help
2017-01-26T09:18:17 < dongs> mco can /4 or /8 as well
2017-01-26T09:18:24 < dongs> the point is, its based off sysclk and you know eaxctly the d ivider
2017-01-26T09:18:42 < dongs> so you know for sure whats going on, and dont have to worry if timer is on AHB or APB or lookup thier clock dividers etc
2017-01-26T09:20:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> Am I better off using a prescaler, or just a longer period?
2017-01-26T09:21:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm literally clocking a camera.
2017-01-26T09:21:28 < Jak_o_Shadows> Doing nothing else with timers at all
2017-01-26T09:22:01 < dongs> doesnt matter
2017-01-26T09:22:18 < dongs> i mean you can even clock it with mco if you want, if it can output a close frequency.
2017-01-26T09:23:29 < Jak_o_Shadows> hmm
2017-01-26T09:23:45 < jpa-> i usually use ARR first and keep prescaler off unless i need it - it is easier to debug when i can see the actual count in CNT register, instead of the prescaler which is invisible
2017-01-26T09:24:16 < jpa-> rarely a big difference though
2017-01-26T09:29:29 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED3PSM4Mwss an actual use for rageberrypi wow
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2017-01-26T09:36:38 < ohsix> ask dongs about greasy.exe, it is tons of fun
2017-01-26T09:37:47 < ReadError> dongs: tell me about greasy.exe
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2017-01-26T09:40:33 < dongs> what about it
2017-01-26T09:40:35 < dongs> i made it
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2017-01-26T09:54:51 < ReadError> idk someone said its fun and to ask you
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2017-01-26T10:06:17 < ReadError> does he ever find them?
2017-01-26T10:09:46 < dongs> crt, did  you subscribe to the amp thread
2017-01-26T10:10:01 < dongs> i guess it will be lulz until either google deletes it or allows disabling it
2017-01-26T10:10:22 < dongs> just switched my search engine to bing because Google search results and unusable and even if the pages rendered I want the original url to copy. in what universe would you think making it harder for people to share content is good for anyone?
2017-01-26T10:10:26 < dongs> fail.
2017-01-26T10:10:38 < dongs> lots of duckduckgo references flying around t oo
2017-01-26T10:10:59 < ReadError> duckduckgo is complete shit
2017-01-26T10:11:15 < dongs> does it provide somewhat relevant search results?
2017-01-26T10:11:25 < ReadError> not nearly as good as googles
2017-01-26T10:11:54 < dongs> apparently amp can be gotten away wiht by changging google search to encrypted.google.com
2017-01-26T10:11:58 < dongs> but i cant figure out how to do that on assdroid
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2017-01-26T10:22:39 < dongs> scrts is like mulitples of crts
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2017-01-26T10:24:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/PCB-schematic-format-conversion-from-12900835/ haha, no
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2017-01-26T10:26:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> You're gonna trust someone to do it manually for #50
2017-01-26T10:27:48 < dongs> dirty pakis
2017-01-26T10:30:09 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Design-PCB-for-small-circuit/
2017-01-26T10:30:10 < dongs> $30
2017-01-26T10:30:11 < dongs> right
2017-01-26T10:30:13 < dongs> get the fuck out
2017-01-26T10:30:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> How much time would $30 get you
2017-01-26T10:30:48 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/tool/TLV320AIC3204EVM-K dirty cunt can just buy this
2017-01-26T10:30:56 < dongs> like 1 minute of my time
2017-01-26T10:31:01 < dongs> I *might* double-click altium.exe
2017-01-26T10:31:01 < dongs> for $30
2017-01-26T10:31:07 < dongs> depends on my mood.
2017-01-26T10:32:10 < Steffanx> Doesnt altium.exe run 24/7?
2017-01-26T10:32:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> Surely it would crash?
2017-01-26T10:33:23 < Steffanx> Except for force restarts indeed 
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2017-01-26T10:47:57 < dongs> http://www.amazingic.com/english/01_products/AZHW371
2017-01-26T10:49:09 < dongs> i was hoping this fucking hdmi switch would do 1:3 or 3:1
2017-01-26T10:49:27 < dongs> i have 1 input, and i need switchable outputs
2017-01-26T10:53:52 < ReadError> happy AU day crt 
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2017-01-26T11:00:20 < dongs> R2COM: wat, its 2 layer trash
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2017-01-26T11:01:05 < dongs> yea. well, shrug, i ahve some of hte smaller ones turned off for that
2017-01-26T11:02:08 < dongs> cool
2017-01-26T11:02:20 < dongs> i received a shipment of kickstarter boards to paly with
2017-01-26T11:03:15 < dongs> kickstarter shit
2017-01-26T11:06:53 < dongs> crt's high is 5 nines
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2017-01-26T11:51:08 < dongs> ugh
2017-01-26T11:51:13 < dongs> fucking F3 stdperiphlib
2017-01-26T11:51:23 < dongs> lets have useful GPIO AF names for F4 stdperiphlib
2017-01-26T11:51:25 < dongs> but just numbers for F3
2017-01-26T11:51:26 < dongs> why???
2017-01-26T11:52:28 < dongs> now i have to look at datasheet to know GPIO_AF_3 is TIM15
2017-01-26T11:52:29 < dongs> fags
2017-01-26T11:52:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm. I think F1 is the same?
2017-01-26T11:56:54 < dongs> F1 has no af.
2017-01-26T11:57:07 < dongs> not in a matrix sense.
2017-01-26T11:57:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm. What was I using that only had the numbers
2017-01-26T11:57:15 < dongs> you have a couple alternatives that could work
2017-01-26T11:57:20 < dongs> maybe F0?
2017-01-26T11:57:44 < emeryth> yeah, F0 has numbers
2017-01-26T11:58:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> Nah, must've been F4
2017-01-26T11:58:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> dunno what library though
2017-01-26T11:59:34 < karlp> heh, "UTC : number of seconds counting since 1 jan 1980 (1980, not the standard 1970)"
2017-01-26T11:59:45 < karlp> I wonder who's responsible for that joke.
2017-01-26T12:01:26 < dongs> LNUX
2017-01-26T12:01:45 < dongs> waty
2017-01-26T12:01:49 < dongs> did they get delisted
2017-01-26T12:02:22 < dongs> https://www.cnet.com/news/10-years-gone-the-va-linux-systems-ipo/
2017-01-26T12:02:23 < dongs> ah yes
2017-01-26T12:02:24 < dongs> lool
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2017-01-26T12:19:54 < zyp> jpa-, «A graphics library with support for many different monochrome displays.»
2017-01-26T12:21:36 < dongs> trying to get TI1FP trigger shit working on TIM15
2017-01-26T12:23:41 < dongs> hm
2017-01-26T12:23:43 < dongs> tim15 has slave mode shit.
2017-01-26T12:23:46 < dongs> why the fuck isnt this owprking then
2017-01-26T12:23:53 < dongs> i msut have cucked something up
2017-01-26T12:24:14 < dongs> of course.
2017-01-26T12:24:16 < dongs> my pin: PF9
2017-01-26T12:24:21 < dongs> my af line: GPIO_PinAFConfig(GPIOB, GPIO_PinSource6, GPIO_AF_3);
2017-01-26T12:24:33 < zyp> jpa-, so anyway, I've got some feedback
2017-01-26T12:24:39 < karlp> blah, partners changed from altium to pads.
2017-01-26T12:24:42 < karlp> even less friendly.
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2017-01-26T12:25:08 < dongs> yes, working.
2017-01-26T12:25:09 < dongs> nice
2017-01-26T12:25:14 < dongs> karlp: fuck pads, omg
2017-01-26T12:25:33 < dongs> first version of these dickstarter boards was made with it, absolutely awful
2017-01-26T12:25:36 < zyp> jpa-, first of all, some feature requests; I'd like to be able to merge .dat files
2017-01-26T12:26:15 < zyp> i.e. importing some glyphs from one font file and some from another, and combining them into a single output font
2017-01-26T12:26:20 < dongs> oh
2017-01-26T12:26:24 < dongs> is this about his font generator?
2017-01-26T12:26:28 < zyp> yes
2017-01-26T12:26:36 < dongs> i made my own from unifont
2017-01-26T12:26:44 < karlp> can't even find a hint at a pads price.
2017-01-26T12:26:54 < dongs> basedon bdf2c or someshit
2017-01-26T12:27:29 < dongs> zyp gonna make a font with wingdongs
2017-01-26T12:27:31 < zyp> jpa-, I figure I can make a .bdf with all the custom symbols I want, and just stuff them into PUA
2017-01-26T12:27:35 < zyp> dongs, exactly
2017-01-26T12:27:46 < dongs> i meant windings of course, but I automatically typed dongs
2017-01-26T12:28:04 < zyp> I already added color control codes into PUA
2017-01-26T12:28:28 < dongs> pua = ? other than pickupartist
2017-01-26T12:28:36 < zyp> private use area
2017-01-26T12:28:48 < dongs> o
2017-01-26T12:28:49 < zyp> i.e. unicode address space reserved for custom use
2017-01-26T12:28:50 < dongs> unicode hsit?
2017-01-26T12:28:51 < dongs> yeah ok
2017-01-26T12:29:03 < dongs> i *thought* i heard that before in that context.
2017-01-26T12:29:08 < dongs> why are you doing unicode anyway?
2017-01-26T12:29:12 < dongs> isnt youir shit just ascii
2017-01-26T12:29:21 < dongs> ascii with some norge chars
2017-01-26T12:29:44 < zyp> because mcufont supports it, and it seems stupid to not use it then
2017-01-26T12:29:53 < dongs> ic.
2017-01-26T12:30:20 < karlp> hang on, is this pads? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/mentor-graphics/MGDLDS365-PREM-BNDL/MGDLDS365-PREM-BNDL-ND/5023606 or is pads something else altogether?
2017-01-26T12:30:25 < jpa-> zyp: .dat file combining seems reasonable, but currently i'm not planning on maintaining mcufont much
2017-01-26T12:30:29 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/xRR9K http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Wcfje.png
2017-01-26T12:30:43 < dongs> karlp: yes
2017-01-26T12:30:47 < jpa-> i needed it for the eink project back in time but then got disinterested
2017-01-26T12:30:49 < zyp> jpa-, also, is the first A supposed to start before the edge in that pic?
2017-01-26T12:30:53 < dongs> tho thats probably very limited
2017-01-26T12:31:24 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, there is that funny "font baseline" stuff
2017-01-26T12:32:16 < dongs> is that comic sans
2017-01-26T12:32:22 < karlp> dongs, that's the "unlimited" version, not the 1500 connections version, thought what else is missing, no idea.
2017-01-26T12:32:26 < zyp> jpa-, so how am I supposed to fix that?
2017-01-26T12:32:56 < dongs> karlp: oh, maybe not then
2017-01-26T12:33:02 < dongs> current pads is this shit L: https://www.pads.com/padsvx-2
2017-01-26T12:33:16 < dongs> pads professional/standard
2017-01-26T12:33:26 < dongs> that other shit seems to be "mental graphics scehmatic/layout"
2017-01-26T12:33:52 < jpa-> zyp: there is baseline_x member in the mf_font structure IIRC, you can add that to the X coordinate to match the bounding box
2017-01-26T12:34:05 < dongs> https://www.pads.com/compare-pads
2017-01-26T12:34:41 < jpa-> zyp: i'm not sure whether i made a smart choice there regarding what coordinate to start the rendering at.. font metrics is complex :P
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2017-01-26T12:35:59 < zyp> well, why doesn't mf_render_aligned add it before rendering? :p
2017-01-26T12:35:59 < jpa-> https://github.com/mcufont/mcufont/blob/master/decoder/mf_justify.c#L117    basically whether this line makes any sense or not
2017-01-26T12:36:06 < jpa-> it subtracts it :P
2017-01-26T12:36:16 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-01-26T12:36:27 < jpa-> https://www.freetype.org/freetype2/docs/glyphs/metrics.png    reason is this
2017-01-26T12:36:39 < jpa-> different fonts have different ideas where that origin should be
2017-01-26T12:37:03 < jpa-> and the ones i first tested with seemed saner with the baseline subtracted
2017-01-26T12:37:16 < dongs> jpa, is your shit usable if fonts are stored in spi flash
2017-01-26T12:37:20 < dongs> or is it only for static?
2017-01-26T12:37:24 < dongs>  /const
2017-01-26T12:37:35 < jpa-> of course what the user probably expects is that the first pixel of the first character should be at that X coordinate, but then i would have to first search for the first pixel, because different characters can have different amount of whitespace
2017-01-26T12:37:50 < jpa-> dongs: only for static (compiled-in) currently
2017-01-26T12:37:56 < Kliment> Sigh, the F7 disco is a massively powerful platform with lots and lots of peripheral support and tons of pins, and yet it only provides an "arduino uno" connection header with none of the unused pins even brought out anywhere
2017-01-26T12:37:57 < dongs> ok i see.
2017-01-26T12:38:15 < zyp> seems to require it to be memory-mapped to use
2017-01-26T12:38:17 < dongs> 1.5megs of 16x16unicode for me with some useless blocks removed, so it has to be in external flash
2017-01-26T12:38:37 < zyp> just use memory mapped qspi?
2017-01-26T12:38:42 < Kliment> Wahey, you get to use exactly one of the 5 SPI interfaces, and your connection integrity is limited by the headers
2017-01-26T12:38:43 < dongs> Kliment: hello, why don't you embrace the MAKE:R movement?
2017-01-26T12:38:43 < karlp> Kliment: that's what the nucleos are for.
2017-01-26T12:38:55 < Kliment> karlp: Is there an F7 nucleo?
2017-01-26T12:38:58 < ReadError> 2
2017-01-26T12:38:59 < karlp> of course.
2017-01-26T12:39:06 < Kliment> Ooh, I'll go have a look
2017-01-26T12:39:16 < Kliment> Though I suppose it doesn't have onboard RAM
2017-01-26T12:39:25 < karlp> the discos are, "here's how to use some peripherals and shit, maybe you can do some protos with it too"
2017-01-26T12:39:38 < ReadError> nucleos like rawdawgin\
2017-01-26T12:39:52 < dongs> no sdram on f7nucleo
2017-01-26T12:40:16 < dongs> crt: both are few versions behind
2017-01-26T12:40:17 < dongs> from the real thing
2017-01-26T12:40:25 < zyp> jpa-, by the way, the font lookup stuff is a bit annoying
2017-01-26T12:40:50 < zyp> jpa-, IMO it doesn't make sense to search for it by name when I can just refer to it by symbol
2017-01-26T12:40:52 < dongs> for unicode shit i just made a simple lookup table since my stuff is fixed width
2017-01-26T12:41:17 < jpa-> zyp: if you refer to it by symbol, why do you use the font lookup stuff at all?
2017-01-26T12:41:57 < zyp> I don't, yet
2017-01-26T12:43:13 < jpa-> yeah, you probably won't even want to.. the font lookup makes more sense with a gui toolkit like ugfx and similar where you want to be able to specify fonts without knowing anything about mcufont internals
2017-01-26T12:43:26 < zyp> exactly
2017-01-26T12:43:34 < jpa-> so it just gives a pointer that you can get directly by using the symbol
2017-01-26T12:44:10 < zyp> but all the build/include magic is geared towards using the font lookup stuff
2017-01-26T12:44:42 < jpa-> true, there probably should be an #ifdef around this line: https://github.com/mcufont/mcufont/blob/master/decoder/mf_font.c#L8
2017-01-26T12:44:54 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-26T12:45:10 < zyp> and also header generation for the font .c files
2017-01-26T12:45:51 < zyp> besides, fonts.h doesn't build correctly on osx
2017-01-26T12:46:10 < jpa-> yeah, though that will then confuse people who want to use the #include magic
2017-01-26T12:46:59 < zyp> true, it'll add more translation units
2017-01-26T12:48:51 < zyp> there's one other thing as well
2017-01-26T12:49:08 < dongs> does antialiasing really make sense on a 0.9" display
2017-01-26T12:49:26 < zyp> depends on the font size
2017-01-26T12:49:46 < jpa-> and font type also.. some fonts look fine without antialiasing
2017-01-26T12:49:53 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/LCOX6.png <- it does make a little difference
2017-01-26T12:50:55 < dongs> thats not 128x64 now is it?
2017-01-26T12:51:02 < zyp> 96x64
2017-01-26T12:51:11 < dongs> that screenshot is zoomed version of it?
2017-01-26T12:51:28 < zyp> 960x640, and it's also rendered 1:1 in the lower left corner
2017-01-26T12:51:37 < dongs> hm isee
2017-01-26T12:51:44 < jpa-> that font is clearly not designed for non-antialiased usage though
2017-01-26T12:51:49 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-26T12:52:01 < dongs> sounds like opensource font
2017-01-26T12:52:06 < dongs> they always have awful hinting
2017-01-26T12:52:08 < dongs> for small sizes
2017-01-26T12:52:16 < dongs> either that, or shitty font library like FREETYPE
2017-01-26T12:52:22 < dongs> which renders really bad
2017-01-26T12:52:42 < dongs> this is why desktoplunix fonts always look terrible
2017-01-26T12:52:43 < jpa-> hey, i'm giving freetype custom parameters also to make it render even worse ;)
2017-01-26T12:52:53 < dongs> ya?
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2017-01-26T13:18:01 < dongs> amaze
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2017-01-26T13:24:25 < dongs> const some shit
2017-01-26T13:24:40 < dongs> also wat
2017-01-26T13:24:42 < dongs> thats 2 megs
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2017-01-26T14:00:14 < dongs> hmm, this ST doc says IR pulse carrier frequency should be 25% duty cycle
2017-01-26T14:00:17 < dongs> i thought it shouldb e 50
2017-01-26T14:00:43 < dongs> The recommended carrier duty-cycle is 1/4 or 1/3.
2017-01-26T14:00:44 < dongs> o shit
2017-01-26T14:00:55 < jpa-> usually it's not 50% because the IR sensors have faster rise time than fall time
2017-01-26T14:02:38 < jpa-> (which in turn I think is because photodiodes have smaller impedance when there is light than when there is no light)
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2017-01-26T14:03:29 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTtWDbWfW4k
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2017-01-26T14:04:13 < jpa-> quality videos, straight from great britain
2017-01-26T14:04:34 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage
2017-01-26T14:05:52 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Sam_Hyde
2017-01-26T14:07:12 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ created a fake livestreamed anti trump protest and trolled everyone
2017-01-26T14:08:08 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Million_Dollar_Extreme
2017-01-26T14:08:14 < dongs> who cares man
2017-01-26T14:08:16 < dongs> yawn
2017-01-26T14:08:28 < dongs>  /pol/ more like never get laid
2017-01-26T14:09:11 < Laurenceb_> rose to viral video fame after staging a satirical TEDx talk about wonders of the future at Drexel University 
2017-01-26T14:09:23 < Laurenceb_> dis gunna be good
2017-01-26T14:10:15 < dongs> GPIOB->AFR[1] &= ~(0x0F << ((9 - 8) * 4)); /* (4) */
2017-01-26T14:10:20 < dongs> why ST even write this kinda shit
2017-01-26T14:10:26 < dongs> like, really?
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2017-01-26T14:10:40 < dongs> this is in ~reference manual~
2017-01-26T14:11:01 < jpa-> well, that's the way you'd write it out typically anyway
2017-01-26T14:11:10 < jpa-> assuming 9 would come from variable
2017-01-26T14:11:18 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yFhR1fKWG0
2017-01-26T14:11:31 < Laurenceb_> holy shit this exceeds expectation
2017-01-26T14:11:45 < dongs> jpa, surely calling GPIO_PinAFConfig() is 100x more readable
2017-01-26T14:12:15 < jpa-> dongs: sure, but people tend to rewrite such functions 100 times
2017-01-26T14:12:29 < jpa-> (because stdperiph sucks)
2017-01-26T14:22:54 < zyp> jpa-, so anyway, that baseline_x thing, what do you propose to do about that?
2017-01-26T14:24:02 < jpa-> what is the end result you want? :P
2017-01-26T14:24:39 < jpa-> i'll be accepting of a pull request that just removes the subtraction, because i guess it confuses more than helps
2017-01-26T14:25:04 < jpa-> but it may be that even the result without it won't always be what you want, because "left edge of text" is surprisingly annoying thing to define
2017-01-26T14:25:19 < zyp> the end result I want is a text line box object that keeps the text within the confines of the box
2017-01-26T14:25:45 < jpa-> what a strange use case ;)
2017-01-26T14:25:53 < zyp> I know, right
2017-01-26T14:26:27 < zyp> I can probably do a pull request for .dat-combining at some point as well
2017-01-26T14:26:45 < zyp> because that seems useful to have
2017-01-26T14:27:08 < zyp> I was wondering about something else as well
2017-01-26T14:27:24 < jpa-> yeah, and should be relatively simple to implement - though if you want to support different sized fonts, you'll need to be subtracting and adding baseline_x and baseline_y when combining :P
2017-01-26T14:28:04 < zyp> mf_character_width grabs the tracking width of a letter, is there a way to get the bounding box width?
2017-01-26T14:28:22 < dongs> huh RM0365 was updated jan 2017
2017-01-26T14:28:37 < zyp> it's not super important though
2017-01-26T14:28:49 < jpa-> font->width gives the whole-font bounding box (size of largest glyph); then you can subtract mf_character_whitespace() if you want only the single char size
2017-01-26T14:30:59 < zyp> the way I'm planning to do the underlying draw api for this is a call to blit a rectangle, i.e. draw(x, y, w, h, *data)
2017-01-26T14:31:24 < zyp> so I'll allocate a buffer for the rect, render into that, then blit it
2017-01-26T14:31:47 < zyp> on the oled I set up for a rect of that size and just feed the entire thing to SPI with DMA or something
2017-01-26T14:32:14 < dongs> thats how most shits do it
2017-01-26T14:33:41 < zyp> the simple case would be buffering the entire text field area before writing it out, but that will require a fair bit of memory
2017-01-26T14:34:23 < zyp> so I could save memory by doing it character by character, assuming I'm not using a font with kerning
2017-01-26T14:35:05 < zyp> (becaue that would cause overlapping rects)
2017-01-26T14:36:22 < zyp> idk if that's very worthwhile though, buffering the entire oled will only take 6k, which isn't all that much on f4 :p
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2017-01-26T14:40:52 < dongs> i do rectangle and draw char by char
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2017-01-26T14:41:59 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BagjBdmyj0 hm you cant se it drawing here
2017-01-26T14:43:10 < zyp> yeah, but like I said that only works if your font doesn't do kerning adjustments
2017-01-26T14:43:20 < Laurenceb_> lul MI6
2017-01-26T14:43:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/26/in_real_life_q_is_a_woman_head_of_mi6_calls_for_more_lady_techies_at_sis/
2017-01-26T14:43:29 < zyp> otherwise the V in AV would overwrite last part of the A
2017-01-26T14:43:36 < zyp> unless you could do some sort of blending
2017-01-26T14:43:37 < Laurenceb_> "I heard one day he chopped off his own leg after a car crash "
2017-01-26T14:43:44 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansfield_Smith-Cumming
2017-01-26T14:43:49 < zyp> and the display doesn't do that
2017-01-26T14:43:50 < dongs> zyp, right
2017-01-26T14:43:51 < Laurenceb_> wikipedia confirms bullshit
2017-01-26T14:44:02 < Laurenceb_> this is why we have "moderate rebels"
2017-01-26T14:55:01 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: looks like TED will let anybody talk lol
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2017-01-26T14:58:54 < ReadError> oh theres only like 20 people there
2017-01-26T14:58:55 < ReadError> lol
2017-01-26T15:00:37 < Laurenceb_> If you use cubes of trash as money.  Everybody becomes rich
2017-01-26T15:00:47 < dongs> stm32cubes
2017-01-26T15:02:11 < dongs> is there a way to force timer output high or low regardless of its counter?
2017-01-26T15:03:01 < dongs> nah fuckit not figuring this out today. lol @ awful ST docs for entire IRTIM thing
2017-01-26T15:03:04 < dongs> one fucking page in RM
2017-01-26T15:03:14 < dongs> some shittily trhrown together registers-only code sample in F0 refman
2017-01-26T15:03:17 < dongs> thats it
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2017-01-26T15:56:55 < Steffanx> Y u still awake?
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2017-01-26T16:09:14 < zyp> dongs, I think the advanced timers (1 and 8) have an output override option
2017-01-26T16:09:29 < zyp> otherwise you could just set the channel to 0 or max value
2017-01-26T16:09:36 < zyp> so it always compares true or false
2017-01-26T16:17:24 < Steffanx> 1.17 crt.
2017-01-26T16:24:13 < sterna> the advanced timers have an override
2017-01-26T16:25:30 < sterna> " Break input to put the timer’s output signals in reset state or in a known state."
2017-01-26T16:27:37 < sterna> "When using the break function, the output enable signals and inactive levels are modified according to additional control bits (MOE, OSSI and OSSR bits in the TIMx_BDTR register, OISx and OISxN bits in the TIMx_CR2 register). In any case, the OCx and OCxN outputs cannot be set both to active level at a given time. "
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2017-01-26T16:40:31 < Laurenceb> I think I found a bug in F1 timers
2017-01-26T16:40:41 < zyp> hmm, this code is starting to look okay now
2017-01-26T16:41:00 < Laurenceb> slave function seems to introduce an extra clock cycle delay with some combinations of slaving and 72mhz clock
2017-01-26T16:41:54 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/GTR4o http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NZDoh.png
2017-01-26T16:42:02 < zyp> just need to build some widget system around this now
2017-01-26T16:42:13 < Laurenceb> whyyyy
2017-01-26T16:42:19 < Laurenceb> just grab µGFX
2017-01-26T16:42:26 < zyp> too big
2017-01-26T16:42:30 < Laurenceb> hhe
2017-01-26T16:43:02 < zyp> I actually considered it, but Tectu agreed it would be overkill
2017-01-26T16:43:12 < zyp> since it's written for touchscreens that's a little bit larger
2017-01-26T16:43:13 < Laurenceb> fair enough I guess
2017-01-26T16:43:19 < zyp> not a 96x64 oled
2017-01-26T16:43:24 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-01-26T16:43:39 < Laurenceb> personally I'd just steal arduino codez for that
2017-01-26T16:44:02 < Laurenceb> hopefully there are some that are only moderately inane are perman00b
2017-01-26T16:44:06 < Laurenceb> *and
2017-01-26T16:44:12 < zyp> I only need a few simple widges, mainly the text one that I just made
2017-01-26T16:44:19 < zyp> and a scrollable list to put them in
2017-01-26T16:44:39 < sterna> Laurenceb: sure it's a bug? it might be that's the way it is
2017-01-26T16:44:41 < zyp> and probaly some simple primitives, i.e. boxes and shit
2017-01-26T16:44:52 < sterna> I know the F4s do the same
2017-01-26T16:44:55 < Laurenceb> <sterna> I couldn't find mention of it
2017-01-26T16:45:08 < Laurenceb> its supposed to delay be <1 clk cycle to avoid race conditions
2017-01-26T16:45:08 < sterna> ok, that might be true
2017-01-26T16:45:12 < Laurenceb> *by
2017-01-26T16:45:16 < Laurenceb> I canna type today
2017-01-26T16:45:30 < zyp> C++11 closures is a bit cute btw, fits the mcufont callback stuff nicely
2017-01-26T16:45:45 < zyp> ref. lines 70-100
2017-01-26T16:45:49 < sterna> when I found it, I just assumed that "ok, it inserts an extra clock cycle for like synchro purposes or something"
2017-01-26T16:46:05 < Laurenceb> nah it adds a <1clk delay to avoid race conditions
2017-01-26T16:46:22 < sterna> seems resonable
2017-01-26T16:46:39 < sterna> but yes, it would be good if they mention that
2017-01-26T16:47:03 < Laurenceb> timers are still much less glitchy than i2c :P
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2017-01-26T16:49:12 < Rob235> well battery charger is still going, its at 14.4V so I guess it goes to 14.7V
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2017-01-26T17:06:28 < PaulFertser> zyp: why you pass "this" via a void* pointer, can't you capture it?
2017-01-26T17:08:45 < zyp> because it's a C API, capturing closures can't be passed to a plain function pointer
2017-01-26T17:09:53 < PaulFertser> Oh, so with empty capture list they can be passed to C code as is? I see. Not used to mixed environments, heh.
2017-01-26T17:10:26 < zyp> correct, a noncapturing closure is compatible with the signature for a plain function pointer
2017-01-26T17:11:21 < zyp> besides, a capturing closure requires a heap, this doesn't.
2017-01-26T17:14:26 < PaulFertser> Pretty sleek
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2017-01-26T17:26:18 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/5913e7fda34b359e4b18dbede74c77bf99a10951df06ba5d8966181f9b6b3c91.jpg
2017-01-26T17:28:56 < englishman> nice, i just bought 128kb for $6.4
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2017-01-26T18:16:08 < englishman> dongs got another one for you http://sendvid.com/tmad0wh6
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2017-01-26T19:16:38 < Steffanx> That website spams my browser englishman -_-
2017-01-26T19:16:54 < englishman> yeah i heard it was shitty. but just retweeting
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2017-01-26T19:47:47 < Cyric> hey guys 
2017-01-26T19:48:21 < Cyric> how easy is to read a sensor 10.000 times per second ?
2017-01-26T19:48:51 < Cyric> i never worked in extremely high speeds...
2017-01-26T19:49:04 < Cyric> any of you have any experience of that?
2017-01-26T19:49:22 < englishman> what kind of sensor?
2017-01-26T19:49:40 < englishman> shouldnt be too bad
2017-01-26T19:50:58 < Cyric> using for example serial?
2017-01-26T19:51:03 < Cyric> ok
2017-01-26T19:51:21 < Cyric> well lets suppose that the sensor is able to provide it
2017-01-26T19:51:53 < Cyric> i am wondering at bandwith/processing time if i am able to met this requirements
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2017-01-26T19:56:33 < zyp> hmm, arm-gcc is giving me an undefined reference to that closure
2017-01-26T19:59:15 < Laurenceb> <Cyric> how easy is to read a sensor 10.000 times per second ?
2017-01-26T19:59:17 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-01-26T19:59:34 < Laurenceb> lets see, say shittish 72mhz stm32f1
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2017-01-26T19:59:43 < Laurenceb> 7.2M cycle/read
2017-01-26T19:59:49 < Laurenceb> yeah big problems there...
2017-01-26T20:00:30 < zyp> okay, this looks like a gcc bug
2017-01-26T20:00:51 < zyp> guess I finally have a reason to upgrade
2017-01-26T20:01:48 < zyp> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35131734/undefined-reference-when-using-lambda <- judging by this it was fixed in 4.7.4, I've got 4.7.3
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2017-01-26T20:07:03 < zyp> oh, gcc-arm-embedded has moved
2017-01-26T20:07:36 < zyp> now it's hosted here: https://developer.arm.com/open-source/gnu-toolchain/gnu-rm
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2017-01-26T20:16:37 < englishman> Laurenceb: hes using european comma
2017-01-26T20:16:53 < Laurenceb> euro weirdo
2017-01-26T20:16:59 < englishman> they are
2017-01-26T20:17:13 < Laurenceb> they need to learn to love the Trump
2017-01-26T20:17:15 < zyp> awesome, the gdb in the new build crashes during startup (bet it's because my osx ver is too old)
2017-01-26T20:17:29 < zyp> but that's ok, the code built just fine
2017-01-26T20:17:42 < englishman> hm i wonder why the move from launchpad
2017-01-26T20:18:30 < BrainDamage> launchpad seems kinda dieing to me
2017-01-26T20:18:46 < BrainDamage> makes sense to jump ship before having to be forced to
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2017-01-26T20:44:45 < zyp> nice, this code works with -O0 but hardfaults with -O2
2017-01-26T20:44:59 < zyp> haven't had a hardfault of my own in forever, so this is gonna be fun :p
2017-01-26T20:45:20 < Steffanx> Better start bisecting
2017-01-26T20:45:28 < zyp> haha, nah
2017-01-26T20:45:48 < zyp> it's PRECISERR, BFARVALID so it can't be that hard
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2017-01-26T20:56:53 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XzyUIhAyfzs
2017-01-26T20:58:42 < zyp> okay, I was just doing something stupid and overwriting data still to be used
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2017-01-26T22:00:41 < Steffanx> Big-anti will anti.
2017-01-26T22:02:36 < Steffanx> Sciencists should work on real science.
2017-01-26T22:02:38 < BrainDamage> well, the doomsday clock is just a representation of the opionion of the atomic bullettin scientist's opinion
2017-01-26T22:03:02 < BrainDamage> it doesn't have any political relevance, or doesn't change the 'reality'
2017-01-26T22:03:32 < BrainDamage> altough that the scientists are scared is per notable
2017-01-26T22:04:27 < BrainDamage> which entity bases its policies on the clock?
2017-01-26T22:04:32 < Steffanx> And in only ended up in ##stm32 because trump.
2017-01-26T22:06:20 < Steffanx> ##stm32 wont help much. 
2017-01-26T22:06:30 < Steffanx> We only do stm32 remember?
2017-01-26T22:07:10  * Laurenceb found some dataloggers that were left in a drawer for 2 years
2017-01-26T22:07:36 < Laurenceb> looks like 8 years battery life and 1minute/year rtc drift
2017-01-26T22:07:41 < Laurenceb> not so bad
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2017-01-26T22:24:05 < zyp> heh, enabling the RTC is a pretty roundabout process
2017-01-26T22:25:29 < zyp> first you need to set the RCC enable for PWR, so you can set the DBP bit in PWR_CR to unlock RCC_BDCR
2017-01-26T22:27:09 < zyp> separate power domain even
2017-01-26T22:27:25 < zyp> but still, pretty roundabout
2017-01-26T22:27:43 < zyp> now I need to add support for the PWR block, whatever that is
2017-01-26T22:28:38 < zyp> of course?
2017-01-26T22:28:59 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/Z-zI_VpTFp8?t=1m10s
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2017-01-26T22:30:40 < zyp> oh, and then there's a write protection step as well
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2017-01-26T22:46:10 < englishman> wow fuck ARROW
2017-01-26T22:47:01 < upgrdman> is altidongs 17 stableish yet?
2017-01-26T22:47:11 < englishman> why wouldn't it be
2017-01-26T22:47:33 < upgrdman> well Altium likes to release their betas
2017-01-26T22:47:42 < upgrdman> like 16 was buggy as fuck when it first came out
2017-01-26T22:47:54 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro
2017-01-26T22:48:07 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-01-26T22:52:34 < englishman> ARROW is really fucking me up
2017-01-26T22:52:45 < englishman> why bother ordering from white people if theyre going to take 3 days to ship instock items
2017-01-26T22:58:26 < upgrdman> just-in-time-manufuckturing. lolumad.
2017-01-26T22:59:34 < Steffanx> Is englishman yellow skinned?
2017-01-26T22:59:50 < Steffanx> -'s for eyes?
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2017-01-26T23:03:30 < Steffanx> Sounds accurate
2017-01-26T23:03:38 < upgrdman> wtf. altidongs schematic title block isnt showing some of my defined parameters. how do i edit the title block of a page to verify it's trying to use the right params
2017-01-26T23:05:06 < upgrdman> lol, holy shit. recompile project -> 18823 errors... need to update the ref des shit
2017-01-26T23:10:04 < upgrdman> hmm compiling didnt fix it though
2017-01-26T23:10:22 < upgrdman> still blank Engineer field in title block even though that param is define in doc options
2017-01-26T23:10:52 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, work stuff. xray controller.
2017-01-26T23:11:34 < upgrdman> well tester for a controller that i already dev'd
2017-01-26T23:12:54 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, be less autisitic. problem solved.
2017-01-26T23:15:53 < Steffanx> That's the same as asking you to not be so wannabee-dongs.. will not happen.
2017-01-26T23:17:56 < Steffanx> I still wonder when it became "fancy" to call everyone and their mother austistic. 
2017-01-26T23:17:56 < upgrdman> austists gotta aut
2017-01-26T23:18:05 < upgrdman> :)
2017-01-26T23:20:26 < Steffanx> => internet
2017-01-26T23:24:12 < upgrdman> dont worry. trump will dominate your future.
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2017-01-26T23:24:56 < zyp> heh, calling snprintf makes my flash image three times as big
2017-01-26T23:25:06 < zyp> grows from 11k-ish to 32k-ish
2017-01-26T23:26:52 < zyp> hmm, nano.specs gets it back down under 14k
2017-01-26T23:27:02 < zyp> and makes it hardfault again, awesome
2017-01-26T23:28:12 < zyp> start of what? I haven't really been using any libc parts until now
2017-01-26T23:29:53 < zyp> you do realize that it's a linker option?
2017-01-26T23:35:09 < zyp> in what sense?
2017-01-26T23:36:02 < zyp> depends whether you count stack as dynamic or not
2017-01-26T23:36:45 < zyp> nah, you can do plenty of stuff without a heap
2017-01-26T23:44:32 < Ecco> That's a nice SSD
2017-01-26T23:44:53 < Ecco> Used to be among the best, but last time I checked it was at least 1 yr ago
2017-01-26T23:45:13 < Ecco> anyway, yeah, if she had a fragmented HD, then it'll make one hell of a difference
2017-01-26T23:45:18 < Ecco> lemme check what's mine
2017-01-26T23:45:33 < Ecco> 850 EVO :)
2017-01-26T23:46:07 < Ecco> indeed
2017-01-26T23:46:28 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-01-26T23:48:11 < Ecco> well they're probably much faster
2017-01-26T23:48:21 < Ecco> but I guess it's very hard to tell the difference in practice
2017-01-26T23:48:50 < Ecco> Personaly I invested in a good CPU and so far that was a great purchase
2017-01-26T23:50:37 < Ecco> They do move slow indeed
2017-01-26T23:50:54 < Ecco> Honestly, no
2017-01-26T23:51:12 < Ecco> 2x in CPU freq yeah, but 2x in overall performance no
2017-01-26T23:51:19 < Ecco> longer than before, that's for sure
2017-01-26T23:51:33 < Ecco> yeah, in like 2000, you'd have changed CPU every other week :)
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2017-01-26T23:53:22 < Ecco> now I have a 2012 laptop, and honestly it's still pretty good compared to today's models
2017-01-26T23:53:28 < Ecco> haha :)
2017-01-26T23:53:34 < Ecco> and that's as log scale…
2017-01-26T23:54:24 < Ecco> SSDs are great though
2017-01-26T23:54:44 < Ecco> first machine I ever tried with an SSD was the last time I had a "wow that thing is *FAAST*" feeling
2017-01-26T23:55:42 < Ecco> and small reads
2017-01-26T23:55:47 < Ecco> yeah, for apps startup
2017-01-26T23:55:51 < Ecco> and OS startup in general
2017-01-26T23:55:57 < Ecco> random reads make the difference
2017-01-26T23:56:28 < Ecco> I'm no expert, but I'd say the latency of the SATA bus is negligible
2017-01-26T23:56:41 < Ecco> I'd say PCIe's bandwidth is crazy
2017-01-26T23:57:28 < Ecco> well small read/writes would still be faster
2017-01-26T23:57:44 < Ecco> well to be honest, you could code on an iR86
2017-01-26T23:57:46 < Ecco> 386
2017-01-26T23:58:14 < Ecco> fuck you
2017-01-26T23:58:23 < Ecco> Just kidding
2017-01-26T23:58:26 < Ecco> but Eclipse, seriously? :-)
2017-01-26T23:59:07 < zyp> Ecco, have you actually tried compiling something on a pentium or pentium 2?
2017-01-26T23:59:22 < Ecco> I did back in the days
2017-01-26T23:59:30 < zyp> you'd be surprised how long time it takes to compile a trivial file :)
2017-01-26T23:59:36 < Ecco> building a linux kernel would take like 4 hours
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2017-01-27T00:00:11 < Ecco> well, C compilers are quite fast
2017-01-27T00:00:15 < Ecco> C++ on the other hand
2017-01-27T00:00:55 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: You have a bug in tab 3, line 261
2017-01-27T00:01:11 < englishman> Steffanx: as black as the baby jesus
2017-01-27T00:01:30 < englishman> upgrdman: anything else is too slow
2017-01-27T00:01:47 < upgrdman> englishman, ?
2017-01-27T00:02:02 < Ecco> :-D
2017-01-27T00:02:05 < Ecco> C++17 I see
2017-01-27T00:02:07 < englishman> re: JIT manufacturing
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2017-01-27T00:02:45 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-01-27T00:03:22 < Ecco> I personnaly am not a big fan of IDEs
2017-01-27T00:03:28 < Ecco> but that's definitely a matter of taste
2017-01-27T00:04:02 < Ecco> Well if you like it stick to it :)
2017-01-27T00:04:21 < Ecco> gotta go. See ya :)
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2017-01-27T00:23:59 < psprint_> I've just run DMA transfer, 2**16-1 elements from 0x20012a2c (DTCM) to 0x20052a28 (SRAM1), and it works. DTCM is special it works through AHBS bus of Cortex-M7, this bus is DTCM-only, but apparently DMA memory bus properly uses AHBS. DTCM ends at 0x2001FFFF
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2017-01-27T00:30:28 < Rickta59> are there any other IDEs that do code completion as well as eclipse * that work on linux * so not VC++
2017-01-27T00:31:15 < Rickta59> I tried that github editor .. meh
2017-01-27T00:31:27 < Rickta59> * atom
2017-01-27T00:32:04 < Rickta59> I guess netbeans is ok .. not wild about it
2017-01-27T00:32:06 < englishman> VC++ via vmware
2017-01-27T00:32:28 < Rickta59> my machine is a peice of crap .. and all i have is windows xp when i do run it
2017-01-27T00:32:32 < Rickta59> piece
2017-01-27T00:32:42 < Rickta59> * 2009 imac running linux
2017-01-27T00:33:11 < Rickta59> no cash  ...
2017-01-27T00:33:18 < Rickta59> and i'm addicted to the 24" screen
2017-01-27T00:33:45 < Rickta59> and i really don't want to ever use windows 10/8/7
2017-01-27T00:33:55 < ohsix> wtf is going on with my interbutts
2017-01-27T00:34:06 < ohsix> got some more rework from that person
2017-01-27T00:34:19 < ohsix> they asked if i could add test points to a server :o
2017-01-27T00:34:30 < Rickta59> although when i did do windows crap, i really did like Visual Studio
2017-01-27T00:34:34 < ohsix> dunno what the hell for, but it's a one or two U full depth server
2017-01-27T00:34:59 < ohsix> can't get the microscope in there, should be interesting
2017-01-27T00:36:08 < Rickta59> i just don't want to be spammed by MicroSoft
2017-01-27T00:36:20 < Rickta59> and i live in an xterm
2017-01-27T00:36:43 < Rickta59> spammed as in forced compliance
2017-01-27T00:36:50 < Rickta59> forced to upgrade without a choice
2017-01-27T00:37:18 < Rickta59> forced to spend my time trying to protect myself from people intent on spreading viruses to windows
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2017-01-27T00:37:53 < Rickta59> yes that is for sure
2017-01-27T00:38:02 < jadew> I haven't had a virus since highschool, when I was still getting porn on CDs, from my class mates
2017-01-27T00:38:16 < Rickta59> do you run a virus protection app?
2017-01-27T00:38:19 < jadew> no
2017-01-27T00:38:32 < Rickta59> so do you only use irc on the internet?
2017-01-27T00:38:36 < Rickta59> : )
2017-01-27T00:38:36 < jadew> of course not
2017-01-27T00:38:39 < jadew> and I still watch porn
2017-01-27T00:38:59 < Rickta59> so you have std's you just refuse to acknowledge them
2017-01-27T00:39:17 < Rickta59> anyway i don't really want to run windows or os/x
2017-01-27T00:39:22 < jadew> I don't have any of those either
2017-01-27T00:39:31 < jadew> you could try VS Code
2017-01-27T00:39:32 < Rickta59> i spend my time fighting viruses on my g/f windows 10 machine
2017-01-27T00:39:39 < jadew> not sure how good support for c++ is
2017-01-27T00:39:40 < Rickta59> i see what happens
2017-01-27T00:39:44 < jadew> but it's a pretty decent editor
2017-01-27T00:39:46 < jadew> better than atom
2017-01-27T00:40:06 < englishman> virus, in 2017
2017-01-27T00:40:06 < englishman> pl
2017-01-27T00:40:07 < englishman> z
2017-01-27T00:40:09 < jadew> your g/f must not know how to browse porn then
2017-01-27T00:40:25 < Rickta59> probably not or all her friends who infect her
2017-01-27T00:40:46 < Rickta59> vs code is that nodejs thing from microsoft jadew ?
2017-01-27T00:40:54 < jadew> yes
2017-01-27T00:41:02 < Rickta59> i think i tried that and a year ago the code completion was seriously lacking
2017-01-27T00:41:17 < jadew> as I was saying, not sure how well it does with c++
2017-01-27T00:41:21 < Rickta59> maybe i should looking at it again
2017-01-27T00:41:22 < jadew> since for c++ you kind of need projects
2017-01-27T00:41:31 < jadew> and they have a different tool for that
2017-01-27T00:41:55 < Rickta59> i'm happy with eclipse .. just wondering if anything has advanced to meet its capabilites aside from MS
2017-01-27T00:43:02 < Rickta59> i don't feel limited
2017-01-27T00:43:17 < Rickta59> maybe if i was doing webstuff i would go back to windows to get code completion in javascript
2017-01-27T00:43:36 < Rickta59> because there seemed to be a discussion about it
2017-01-27T00:43:40 < Thorn> englishman: they tried to pet their feral lynx https://youtu.be/0a2pnqsNDcc?t=12m18s
2017-01-27T00:43:47 < ohsix> http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/01/disable-your-antivirus-software-except.html
2017-01-27T00:43:55 < Rickta59> and thought people might have found something better than ec;ipse
2017-01-27T00:44:19 < jadew> Rickta59, I never use eclipse
2017-01-27T00:44:28 < jadew> try codelite on linux
2017-01-27T00:44:34 < ohsix> who's talking
2017-01-27T00:44:37 < Rickta59> does it do code completion?
2017-01-27T00:44:43 < jadew> Rickta59, yeah
2017-01-27T00:44:56 < englishman> Thorn: :o
2017-01-27T00:45:16 < ohsix> ah nm don't have attention for this i guess
2017-01-27T00:45:24 < Rickta59> even though i use eclipse for editting i tend to just use openocd and arm-none-eabi-gdb from the command line
2017-01-27T00:46:08 < Rickta59> i find the debug thing in eclipse overkill
2017-01-27T00:47:21 < Rickta59> the registers?
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2017-01-27T00:47:43 < Rickta59> just x
2017-01-27T00:47:55 < Rickta59> display 
2017-01-27T00:48:07 < Rickta59> x is the eXamine command
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2017-01-27T00:49:28 < Rickta59> that looks halfway decent jadew 
2017-01-27T00:49:48 < ohsix> why aren't you using vim?
2017-01-27T00:50:02 < Rickta59> depends sometimes i do
2017-01-27T00:50:06 < Rickta59> sometimes emacs
2017-01-27T00:50:17 < Rickta59> depends on how i feel
2017-01-27T00:50:33 < Rickta59> and if my left pinky finger isn't getting carpal tunnel
2017-01-27T00:51:20 < Rickta59> http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/emacs_pinky.html
2017-01-27T00:52:47 < Rickta59> jadew does codelite work well with stm32 code .. looks like it uses clang to do the codecompletion index 
2017-01-27T00:53:51 < Rickta59> me?
2017-01-27T00:53:56 < Rickta59> yes i did
2017-01-27T00:53:58 < Rob235> heh
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2017-01-27T00:54:19 < Rickta59> meh
2017-01-27T00:54:41 < Rickta59> usually if i'm debugging that level of code i know what i'm looking at
2017-01-27T00:55:16 < Rickta59> and it is just as easy to setup a display command that shows what i really want to focus on when i hit a breakpoint
2017-01-27T00:55:33 < Rickta59> basically that is what i have a row of xterms at the bottom of my screen
2017-01-27T00:55:38 < Rickta59> and eclipse for editting
2017-01-27T00:55:51 < Rickta59> and a browser
2017-01-27T00:56:17 < Rickta59> on my machine that stuff is dog slow
2017-01-27T00:56:19 < Rickta59> so yeah
2017-01-27T00:57:03 < Rickta59> i've looked at new machines .. and they all seem like crap
2017-01-27T00:57:15 < Rickta59> this is only 8 years old
2017-01-27T00:57:21 < Rickta59> but it is only a core duo
2017-01-27T00:57:25 < Rickta59> and 2.66MHz
2017-01-27T00:57:31 < Rickta59> and limited to 8MB of memory
2017-01-27T00:57:47 < Rickta59> sorry yes GB
2017-01-27T00:58:02 < Rickta59> but there was a point when i would have pined for 8MB
2017-01-27T00:58:08 < Rickta59> :)
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2017-01-27T00:58:35 < Rickta59> it is the cpu that is slow
2017-01-27T00:58:39 < Rickta59> it isn't swapping
2017-01-27T00:58:58 < Rickta59> it isn't waiting on io
2017-01-27T00:59:02 < Rickta59> it is just slow
2017-01-27T01:00:18 < Rickta59> if i'm going to do that i'm going to just get a new machine
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2017-01-27T01:00:44 < Rickta59> but .. after this one dies i'll probably just switch to an even slower dell laptop that i have in reserve
2017-01-27T01:01:12 < Rickta59> and some suction cups so i can pull the imac apart
2017-01-27T01:01:41 < Rickta59> :)
2017-01-27T01:01:46 < Rickta59> that could happen
2017-01-27T01:08:03 < zyp> Rickta59, hmm, which generation is that? sounds similar to my old imac
2017-01-27T01:10:09 < ohsix> sleeeeeeauwwuowouhr
2017-01-27T01:12:57 < ohsix> the thing i'm using now came out in 2011
2017-01-27T01:13:05 < ohsix> sandy vadge
2017-01-27T01:13:17 < ohsix> put 16gigabutts in it the other day and it zooms
2017-01-27T01:13:34 < zyp> I used to think 4-5 years were a reasonable lifetime for a computer
2017-01-27T01:14:17 < zyp> now my current computer is 4.5 years old, and still feels almost as good as it did when it were new
2017-01-27T01:14:36 < zyp> only complaint is that the SSD is filling up, so I'm considering getting a larger
2017-01-27T01:15:42 < zyp>  bought this in 2012, the one before that in 2008 and the one before that in 2003
2017-01-27T01:16:28 < zyp> they all were great upgrades when I bought them, but I don't think a new computer today would make much of a difference from my 2012 one
2017-01-27T01:22:07 < BrainDamage> I have the exact same feeling, my i7 is pretty well performing and I feel I don't need a replacement
2017-01-27T01:23:02 < zyp> yeah, the fact that I bought the top end 1155 i7 (3770k) and maxed it out with 32G RAM is probably a major factor
2017-01-27T01:23:34 < zyp> also a decent gpu (gtx670) for the little amount of games I play
2017-01-27T01:30:49 < englishman> i just upgraded to a 500gb that only cost like $160
2017-01-27T01:31:02 < englishman> but tbh, i should have got two and added some redundancy
2017-01-27T01:31:47 < englishman> computers haven't actually improved in speed that much, just in power use
2017-01-27T01:32:08 < englishman> so a 5 year old computer is just fine with a couple upgrades here and there (like storage)
2017-01-27T01:33:13 < zyp> I've got a 16x3TB storage array in the server, so I'm not concerned about that :)
2017-01-27T01:33:38 < zyp> but SSDs have been falling a lot in price over the last years, so it's about time to get a new soon
2017-01-27T01:38:14 < zyp> yeah?
2017-01-27T01:39:19 < zyp> I was tired of my old 6x1.5TB raid5 array being full, and I wanted improved redundancy too
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2017-01-27T01:39:54 < zyp> originally I planned to start out with 8x3TB raid6
2017-01-27T01:40:17 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, did you ever get your cnc mill going?
2017-01-27T01:40:17 < zyp> but then I decided I wanted to use zfs, and it turns out zfs can't do reshaping
2017-01-27T01:40:49 < zyp> so if I wanted to increase it in the future, it would become two arrays of eight drives each
2017-01-27T01:40:49 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-27T01:41:19 < upgrdman> for bulk offline storeage, anything better/cheaper than a stack of 4TB usb hdd's?
2017-01-27T01:41:31 < zyp> so I decided to make a 16-drive array instead, adding the old drives to make a 3x1.5TB raidz3
2017-01-27T01:41:32 < upgrdman> BD is only likd 50GB a disk, and theyre expensive as fuck
2017-01-27T01:41:50 < zyp> and eventually I swapped out the remaining 1.5TB drives with 3TB drives
2017-01-27T01:42:16 < zyp> well, yeah
2017-01-27T01:43:01 < zyp> it's sitting at 35% full now, 3.5 years later
2017-01-27T01:43:39 < zyp> the drives will probably be dead before they fill up :p
2017-01-27T01:44:47 < zyp> unfortunately I bought that exact seagate model that has reliability problems, so I've already had 10 of the 3TB drives die so far :p
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2017-01-27T01:45:36 < zyp> not a problem for now, since I've got five years of warranty, but in 1.5 years it might be :p
2017-01-27T01:47:01 < zyp> well, I only have five remaining drives from 2013, not sure if the replacements entitles me to five years from the time of replacement or how that works
2017-01-27T01:48:02 < zyp> I don't think I would trust having a single backup drive
2017-01-27T01:48:30 < zyp> too high risk of the data being corrupt when you actually need to restore from it
2017-01-27T01:48:58 < zyp> you've heard of this Murphy guy, I'm sure :p
2017-01-27T01:49:28 < zyp> also, you don't tend to find out that a drive has gone bad before you actually try reading it
2017-01-27T01:49:34 < zyp> okay, that's good at least
2017-01-27T01:50:01 < englishman> zfs can't do reshaping? srsly?
2017-01-27T01:50:15 < zyp> englishman, yeah, it's like the only disadvantage it has
2017-01-27T01:50:20 < BrainDamage> you could have a daemon that constantly verifies the disk striping health check
2017-01-27T01:50:28 < englishman> i guess that's not too stiff a problem for home use
2017-01-27T01:50:29 < kakimir> attn Laurenceb_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy1iPyXqiWI
2017-01-27T01:50:33 < englishman> but still sux
2017-01-27T01:50:37 < zyp> BrainDamage, yeah, I run a scrub regularly
2017-01-27T01:50:58 < zyp> usually that's when I catch drives dying
2017-01-27T01:51:31 < BrainDamage> I have a raid5 in my nas with btrfs
2017-01-27T01:51:36 < englishman> i went to go verify your claims on my freenas, and its web interface has died :/
2017-01-27T01:51:45 < zyp> haha
2017-01-27T01:52:03 < englishman> excelletn
2017-01-27T01:52:47 < englishman> the little girl is sleeping with me under the covers every night, again
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2017-01-27T02:04:51 < englishman> rebooted freenas machine
2017-01-27T02:04:58 < englishman> looks like the entire install has harakiri'd
2017-01-27T02:05:04 < englishman> guess that's what i get for dealing with opensores
2017-01-27T02:05:10 < englishman> lasted like, two months
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2017-01-27T02:12:30 < kakimir> englishman: cat?
2017-01-27T02:12:49 < kakimir> that blonde?
2017-01-27T02:15:09 < Laurenceb_> <englishman> the little girl is sleeping with me under the covers every night, again
2017-01-27T02:15:16 < Laurenceb_> someone call Chris Hanson
2017-01-27T02:15:21 < englishman> :3
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2017-01-27T02:18:35 < kakimir> englishman: she likes to sleep at nigth or just nap for few hours?
2017-01-27T02:20:27 < kakimir> I don't remember anymore who was the real rocket engineer of the channel if it wasn't Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-27T02:21:21 < Laurenceb_> heh I'm not really a rocket engineer
2017-01-27T02:21:35 < Laurenceb_> I did work in defence for a while
2017-01-27T02:21:37 < englishman> kakimir: http://i.imgur.com/N7hmLXd.jpg
2017-01-27T02:21:51 < Laurenceb_> mainly on navigation and radio telemetry
2017-01-27T02:22:40 < Laurenceb_> but I'm working on a rockoon project atm... very slowly
2017-01-27T02:23:41 < kakimir> some dude here worked on some real rocket engine stuff
2017-01-27T02:23:47 < Laurenceb_> interesting that openfoam works well enough with just a 5 degree section
2017-01-27T02:24:22 < Laurenceb_> I did a similar sim of a 100km recoiless gas gun, but all in matlab
2017-01-27T02:24:34 < Laurenceb_> as an alternative to rockoon for balloon launch
2017-01-27T02:24:51 < kakimir> 5degree section?
2017-01-27T02:25:01 < Laurenceb_> look at the beginning of the video
2017-01-27T02:25:56 < zyp> englishman, most appliance distros like freenas seems too annoying to work with
2017-01-27T02:26:34 < englishman> freenas was a bit of a pain to get used to, yeah
2017-01-27T02:26:41 < englishman> and synology was far too restrictive
2017-01-27T02:26:45 < zyp> dumbed down webui and shit
2017-01-27T02:27:03 < zyp> just pick a distro you're comfy with and set up the shit you need
2017-01-27T02:27:08 < zyp> I run plain debian
2017-01-27T02:27:13 < englishman> looks like win server 2012 then
2017-01-27T02:27:21 < zyp> guess that works too
2017-01-27T02:27:29 < englishman> sucks tho, freenas worked ok
2017-01-27T02:27:36 < englishman> until it didnt (today)
2017-01-27T02:28:00 < zyp> one of my friends used to use freenas, but it turned into a mess to maintain
2017-01-27T02:28:06 < zyp> or something
2017-01-27T02:29:06 < zyp> so I let him borrow 10TB or so of my space to hold a copy of his shit while he upgraded some of the hardware, added some drives, restructured everything and installed ubuntu server instead
2017-01-27T02:29:59 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: I used a sim in cylindrical co-ordinates
2017-01-27T02:30:37 < kakimir> I do not even understand Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-27T02:30:54 < kakimir> I plan to thought
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2017-01-27T02:31:20 < zyp> LeelooMinai, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/nmouc.JPG <- here's my home setup, how it looked a couple of years ago
2017-01-27T02:31:24 < Laurenceb_> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CylindricalCoordinates.html
2017-01-27T02:32:39 < zyp> the switches are kinda noisy, so when I moved and couldn't put them far enough away that I wouldn't hear them, I bought a fanless switch with 10Gb ports
2017-01-27T02:32:55 < zyp> well, I got it for free :p
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2017-01-27T02:34:53 < BrainDamage> you're not really the one to speak
2017-01-27T02:35:27 < BrainDamage> no, but the same logic can be applied to your coding patterns
2017-01-27T02:35:37 < BrainDamage> "how can I cram more c++ features in"
2017-01-27T02:35:43 < zyp> I saw today that this thing is only $500-ish: https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-switching/unifi-switch-16-xg/
2017-01-27T02:35:57 < zyp> so I might pick up one of those when I need more than two 10G ports
2017-01-27T02:36:09 < zyp> unless something more interesting shows up by then
2017-01-27T02:36:38 < englishman> doesnt that thing run lunix?
2017-01-27T02:36:45 < englishman> how is it actually going to switch 10g per port
2017-01-27T02:37:02 < englishman> oh yeah it doesnt
2017-01-27T02:37:03 < englishman> 40g aggregate
2017-01-27T02:37:18 < BrainDamage> generally the high speed shit doesn't route in sw anyway
2017-01-27T02:37:25 < zyp> eh, I'd venture most manages switches do, possibly except some of the big ones that have their own scratch-written systems
2017-01-27T02:37:35 < zyp> BrainDamage, exactly
2017-01-27T02:38:11 < englishman> well that's why cisco still has a business model
2017-01-27T02:38:28 < zyp> there's usually a switch fabric part, and then a management system that only controls it
2017-01-27T02:39:30 < zyp> https://routerboard.com/CRS210-8G-2SplusIN <- here's the thing I have now, look at the block diagram
2017-01-27T02:40:12 < zyp> it has some shitty 400MHz MIPS to run the management system
2017-01-27T02:40:33 < upgrdman> any consumer-ish stuff with 10g rj45's yet
2017-01-27T02:40:38 < upgrdman> or is it still "enterprise"
2017-01-27T02:40:50 < zyp> you can actually configure it to pass traffic through the cpu for routing, but you get utterly retarded performance that way :p
2017-01-27T02:41:07 < zyp> dunno, that unifi thing is the first one I've seen
2017-01-27T02:41:31 < zyp> and if it's actually possible to have it for $500, that's not retardedly expensive either
2017-01-27T02:41:51 < upgrdman> is 10gb rj45 just GigE at 10x clock? or other magic
2017-01-27T02:42:04 < zyp> probably other magic
2017-01-27T02:42:06 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-27T02:42:15 < zyp> let's see
2017-01-27T02:43:13 < upgrdman> good job altidongs, cant even spell TI right  http://techdocs.altium.com/sites/default/files/wiki_attachments/210766/string1.png
2017-01-27T02:43:15 < zyp> 500MHz bandwidth, PAM16/DSQ128 at 800Msym/sec
2017-01-27T02:44:10 < zyp> so 16 bits per symbol, 800Msym/sec I guess, that's 12.8Gb/s raw
2017-01-27T02:45:02 < zyp> hmm, I wonder if that's aggregate per pair
2017-01-27T02:45:11 < zyp> aggregate over four pairs I mean
2017-01-27T02:45:36 < BrainDamage> it has FEC, so you'll get some extra overhead eating it
2017-01-27T02:45:42 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-27T02:45:50 < kakimir> texus instruments
2017-01-27T02:46:43 < zyp> gigabit runs eight bits at 125Msym/sec
2017-01-27T02:47:05 < BrainDamage> mmm, seems not so bad, in a block you get 60 service bits and 3200 payload
2017-01-27T02:48:00 < upgrdman> block == packet?
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2017-01-27T02:49:08 < zyp> so okay, 10G gets the speed gain both from larger symbols and a higher symbol rate
2017-01-27T02:49:42 < zyp> «The modulation used by 10GBASE-T is the basis for the newer and slower NBASE-T standard, implementing a 2.5 or 5.0 Gbit/s connection over existing category 5e or 6 cabling.»
2017-01-27T02:50:46 < zyp> I guess there's a possibility that 2.5G and 5G might become common before 10G becomes cheap enough for normal home users
2017-01-27T02:50:55 < englishman> cool
2017-01-27T02:50:56 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: yes, I wonder wat's the jumbo frame variant
2017-01-27T02:51:00 < upgrdman> so these days, what the cheapest way to get >1GBps between two pcs? some sorta usb3 patch cord?
2017-01-27T02:51:25 < englishman> usb key
2017-01-27T02:51:37 < BrainDamage> cheapest: probably, but usb even the 3 is stil a clusterfuck
2017-01-27T02:51:37 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-01-27T02:51:39 < zyp> two SFP+ or XFP NICs and either a direct attach cable or a pair of cheap fiber transceivers
2017-01-27T02:51:57 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-27T02:52:04 < zyp> this shit can be picked up on ebay for ~nothing
2017-01-27T02:52:48 < zyp> I bought two XFP NICs when I started toying with this, and later I bought a couple of SFP+ NICs to have as spares or for extra computers
2017-01-27T02:53:07 < englishman> yeah sfp+ stuff was surprisingly cheap
2017-01-27T02:53:13 < zyp> and then I stole the transceivers when I bought that mikrotik switch with SFP+ ports, so I need to buy two more for the NICs :p
2017-01-27T02:53:20 < englishman> especially if you're using preterminated cables of short length
2017-01-27T02:53:25 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-27T02:53:36 < upgrdman> sfp+ == optical?
2017-01-27T02:53:46 < zyp> not strictly
2017-01-27T02:53:53 < englishman> up to you
2017-01-27T02:53:58 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-27T02:54:00 < zyp> SFP+ is the socket that you put the optical transceiver into
2017-01-27T02:54:07 < upgrdman> oh ya
2017-01-27T02:54:08 < zyp> SFP is the 1G variant
2017-01-27T02:54:09 < upgrdman> ok
2017-01-27T02:54:16 < zyp> I have SFP to RJ45 for 1G
2017-01-27T02:54:17 < upgrdman> so why go optical? long cables?
2017-01-27T02:54:19 < zyp> haven't seen that for 10G
2017-01-27T02:54:23 < zyp> nah, just cheaper
2017-01-27T02:54:27 < upgrdman> can 10Gb RJ45's still do 100 meters?
2017-01-27T02:54:47 < zyp> on cat6a it can
2017-01-27T02:54:50 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-27T02:55:24 < zyp> but eh, fiber is so cheap now that if you actually care about distance, you run fiber
2017-01-27T02:56:04 < englishman> or if you already have the tools
2017-01-27T02:56:08 < zyp> 10GBASE-SR transceivers are cheap and will do like 500m
2017-01-27T02:56:08 < upgrdman> so why is copper still used? just easier to DIY the cables?
2017-01-27T02:56:12 < englishman> its like, copper water pipes vs plastic
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2017-01-27T02:56:51 < zyp> upgrdman, well, fiber is harder to work with, in terms of terminating
2017-01-27T02:58:18 < zyp> anybody can hook up a rj45 jack, fiber stuff either needs to be welded or glued and polished
2017-01-27T02:59:14 < kakimir> is there bossibility to putt 5Gbit in cat cable?
2017-01-27T02:59:24 < kakimir> and when it happens?
2017-01-27T02:59:37 < BrainDamage> that's what 10G-baseT does
2017-01-27T03:00:12 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/h2qcM.JPG http://bin.jvnv.net/f/uT2Ih.JPG <- when I did this, I cut the end of a cord I had, pulled it through the conduit and had a friend with a fiber welder come weld on another cut off cord to the end of it
2017-01-27T03:01:03 < dongs> BrainDamage: there's also 2.5/5gb ethernet in standartising/wahtever now
2017-01-27T03:01:21 < zyp> when I moved out, the cable were stuck in the conduit, so I just cut the ends off and hid them between the panels
2017-01-27T03:01:53 < zyp> so some technician in the future is probably going to see the fiber ends and scratch their head over it :D
2017-01-27T03:02:04 < zyp> dongs, sup?
2017-01-27T03:02:37 < zyp> status on LL shit?
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2017-01-27T03:13:50 < dongs> zyp, bottom smt done, doing top today
2017-01-27T03:13:56 < zyp> ah, nice
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2017-01-27T03:14:24 < zyp> I still haven't received a reply on my question about shipping addr, so I'm gonna call boss tomorrow
2017-01-27T03:15:02 < dongs> np, if it s done today I'll pack it and prepare to ship to wheerever, whenever
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2017-01-27T03:26:41 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsF7enQY8uI haha.
2017-01-27T03:28:11 < dongs> thats what a typical mac user would do
2017-01-27T03:29:14 < zyp> haha
2017-01-27T03:29:51 < zyp> reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJiRijiLwbQ
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2017-01-27T03:31:08 < dongs> totally legit
2017-01-27T03:31:52 < dongs> missing google.com start page on screen for that
2017-01-27T03:32:14 < aandrew> I don't think Trump wants to get into a trade war with Mexico. Mexico is their 2nd biggest export market It hink
2017-01-27T03:32:36 < dongs> wehre did that come from
2017-01-27T03:32:49 < dongs> i'm pretty sure trump is not doing any stm32 development
2017-01-27T03:33:44 < aandrew> that's not a trade war yet
2017-01-27T03:33:47 < aandrew> that's just saber rattling
2017-01-27T03:34:28 < dongs> aandrew: is leelooman talking shit about trump
2017-01-27T03:34:44 < dongs> why would someone from canada give the slightest fuck who the usa prez is
2017-01-27T03:35:08 < aandrew> dongs: because it's amusing
2017-01-27T03:36:21 < englishman> https://i.redd.it/9mgajyv69e3y.jpg
2017-01-27T03:37:30 < aandrew> I do believe Vonnegut where he states that the world is as unshockable as a self-sealing gas tank
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2017-01-27T03:37:46 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/M6QvX.jpg <- I made a clock today
2017-01-27T03:38:04 < aandrew> nice
2017-01-27T03:38:12 < aandrew> I like your antialiased fonts
2017-01-27T03:38:35 < aandrew> you should make your code public so I can steal it
2017-01-27T03:38:54 < zyp> it's mostly jpa-'s mcufont
2017-01-27T03:38:58 < aandrew> GIMMEH
2017-01-27T03:39:15 < zyp> I posted the SDL demo code earlier today
2017-01-27T03:39:33 < zyp> 15:41:54 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/GTR4o http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NZDoh.png
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2017-01-27T03:40:04 < englishman> nice kerning
2017-01-27T03:41:20 < aandrew> zyp: hm, that's not for the stm
2017-01-27T03:41:32 < zyp> no, I said SDL
2017-01-27T03:42:00 < zyp> I wrote a SDL simulator for my oled yesterday so it would be easier to test code
2017-01-27T03:42:19 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/IL9RS <- here's the currently running code
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2017-01-27T03:43:05 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/gv2gX <- and here's the oled driver
2017-01-27T03:44:34 < zyp> what whole thing?
2017-01-27T03:45:04 < zyp> well, sure
2017-01-27T03:45:15 < dongs> fucking leelooman autisming over zyp's amazecode
2017-01-27T03:45:38 < dongs> is that clock coming from RTC
2017-01-27T03:45:46 < zyp> dongs, yes
2017-01-27T03:46:02 < zyp> RTC code is pretty rudimentary so far, I hacked it up earlier tonight
2017-01-27T03:46:12 < zyp> I'll wrap it behind a nice API at some point
2017-01-27T03:46:24 < zyp> because fuck doing BCD decoding by hand every time I want to read the time
2017-01-27T03:46:34 < dongs> heh yeah
2017-01-27T03:46:44 < aandrew> yeah that's not much of a driver
2017-01-27T03:46:45 < aandrew> heh
2017-01-27T03:47:43 < zyp> aandrew, I like to work result-oriented
2017-01-27T03:47:58 < zyp> first I hack up some code that basically does what I want it to
2017-01-27T03:48:09 < zyp> and when it works, I refactor it until it's nice and usable
2017-01-27T03:49:16 < zyp> LeelooMinai, mostly a thing I'm to figure out how well it works in practice
2017-01-27T03:49:55 < zyp> I've already used variadic function templates for other stuff so I know how that works
2017-01-27T03:50:03 < dongs> but that directly contradicts with you using macs
2017-01-27T03:50:07 < dongs> < zyp> aandrew, I like to work result-oriented
2017-01-27T03:50:38 < aandrew> zyp: no I wasn't dissing it
2017-01-27T03:50:52 < aandrew> it wasn't that great of a movie, no
2017-01-27T03:51:27 < zyp> aandrew, well, one of my philosophies is that less code means less work to maintain and less room for bugs, so I like doing stuff simple
2017-01-27T03:51:40 < aandrew> zyp: perhaps I'm missing something though
2017-01-27T03:51:46 < aandrew> how are you antialiasing that on the actual stm32
2017-01-27T03:51:53 < aandrew> did you pull in sdl for stm32 or something?
2017-01-27T03:51:55 < zyp> mcufont
2017-01-27T03:52:06 < aandrew> oh that's the library name, not the font name
2017-01-27T03:52:15 < zyp> which is jpa-'s font rendering lib
2017-01-27T03:52:19 < aandrew> gotcha
2017-01-27T03:52:24 < aandrew> https://github.com/mcufont/mcufont
2017-01-27T03:52:27 < zyp> yeah
2017-01-27T03:53:02 < kakimir> what to do at 4AM
2017-01-27T03:53:16 < dongs> add more SMA connectors to kikecad pcb
2017-01-27T03:53:25 < dongs> < adj__3> hozer, olimex has used kicad for some simple production boards
2017-01-27T03:53:25 < dongs> < adj__3> they will release soon a board designed with kicad capable of running kicad
2017-01-27T03:53:39 < dongs> kiecadception
2017-01-27T03:54:13 < kakimir> dongs: no
2017-01-27T03:54:26 < kakimir> I have not opened kicad for like... 2months
2017-01-27T03:54:55 < kakimir> really how to code and design at the same time and have like half-day work
2017-01-27T03:57:00 < zyp> so anyway, I'm pretty happy with the oled stuff so far, now I can do text fields and bundle them up in lists
2017-01-27T03:57:42 < kakimir> I can not understand why I stay up every night
2017-01-27T03:58:41 < kakimir> at least I have done something
2017-01-27T03:58:49 < kakimir> found myself a potential job
2017-01-27T03:58:50 < zyp> next step would be figuring out some nice way to set up a navigatable menu tree
2017-01-27T03:58:52 < kakimir> real jubb
2017-01-27T04:01:39 < dongs> kikecad engineer
2017-01-27T04:01:53 < zyp> LeelooMinai, eh, it's not so much GUI as tree navigation logic
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2017-01-27T04:02:17 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/WateryPleasedApe
2017-01-27T04:02:19 < zyp> after all, I got the GUI mostly figured out already, the remaining part is the menu logic, which would be the same for a plain text display
2017-01-27T04:03:22 < kakimir> dongs: they preffer PADS
2017-01-27T04:14:39 < dongs> kakimir: super sorry to hear that
2017-01-27T04:14:50 < kakimir> why?
2017-01-27T04:14:56 < dongs> its trash
2017-01-27T04:15:21 < dongs> you might as well be using kicad
2017-01-27T04:16:28 < kakimir> my guru uses pads
2017-01-27T04:16:32 < kakimir> PADS
2017-01-27T04:16:59 < dongs> zyp for some reason all mouser parts got labeled wiht jap balebs
2017-01-27T04:17:00 < dongs> labels
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2017-01-27T04:17:45 < dongs> ugh
2017-01-27T04:17:50 < dongs> ethernet phy is just a black box
2017-01-27T04:17:55 < dongs> wiht parts randomly strewn around
2017-01-27T04:17:57 < dongs> fuckers
2017-01-27T04:18:12 < zyp> haha
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2017-01-27T04:20:50 < kakimir> 420 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EccSxieeF4c&index=4&list=FLnxH7_Jd1vcNP5laNTF5SYQ
2017-01-27T04:21:07 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EccSxieeF4c
2017-01-27T04:34:29 < kakimir> utc+2 time was 420.. you know
2017-01-27T04:34:33 < kakimir> sleep>
2017-01-27T04:35:45 < emeb_mac> sleep is for the weak
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2017-01-27T05:53:55 < ohsix> sup
2017-01-27T05:57:27 < ohsix> where on butts do you look for used books when the internet has shitty prices
2017-01-27T05:57:41 < ohsix> musical applications for microprocessors is way over cover
2017-01-27T05:57:49 < ohsix> i've wanted a copy since i saw it at noisebridge
2017-01-27T05:58:01 < emeb_mac> good book
2017-01-27T05:58:07 < emeb_mac> but full of ooooold stuff
2017-01-27T05:58:51 < aandrew> ohsix: electronic copy isn't good enough?     https://github.com/rabidaudio/synthesizer/tree/master/reference
2017-01-27T05:58:53 < ohsix> not as much as some books i have
2017-01-27T05:59:05 < ohsix> aandrew: it is but i tend not to actually read them heh
2017-01-27T05:59:22 < aandrew> go to your parent's house and print it off :-)
2017-01-27T05:59:48 < emeb_mac> what's is worth to you?
2017-01-27T06:00:02 < ohsix> probably the 40 it goes for
2017-01-27T06:00:02 < emeb_mac> I know a guy who's got NOS for ~$50 or so
2017-01-27T06:00:12 < ohsix> woah nice, hardback?
2017-01-27T06:00:16 < emeb_mac> ya
2017-01-27T06:00:24 < emeb_mac> with cover
2017-01-27T06:00:30 < ohsix> i'm too cheap to just buy it at this point :]
2017-01-27T06:00:56 < ohsix> i've had an ebay alert on it since september and no good deal has popped up
2017-01-27T06:01:05 < emeb_mac> well, remember that it's mostly full of Z80/6502 vintage stuff
2017-01-27T06:01:10 < ohsix> yea
2017-01-27T06:01:58 < emeb_mac> the main thing I got out of it was the hal chamberlin state-variable filter stuff
2017-01-27T06:01:59 < emeb_mac> a
2017-01-27T06:02:10 < emeb_mac> and you can find that written up elsewhere.
2017-01-27T06:02:45 < ohsix> werd, or in the pdf, which i had open before aandrew posted the link :p
2017-01-27T06:03:48 < dongs> o6thesizer, powered by AMP!
2017-01-27T06:04:55 < dongs> dicking zyps boards
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2017-01-27T06:05:01 < dongs> after having lunch
2017-01-27T06:06:20 < ohsix> heh there's a thing about building a vector display in here, neat
2017-01-27T06:09:33 < ohsix> emeb_mac: this looks pretty timeless, there's one chapter on the 8080/microprocessors, the rest are basic listings
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2017-01-27T06:10:10 < ohsix> you could modernise it with a little effort, cover pic/avr or something instead :D and change the VCO/VCA parts that you can't get anymore into something else
2017-01-27T06:10:15 < ohsix> and the basic listings to pythin
2017-01-27T06:11:11 < ohsix> ah spoke too soon, there's a fixed point library and sate variable filter assembly listings and stuff much later on in the book
2017-01-27T06:11:40 < ohsix> and 68k. this nortran stuff is super irrelevant now, maybe chuck :D
2017-01-27T06:11:42 < emeb_mac> ohsix: it's fine for learning or working on hobby things
2017-01-27T06:11:57 < emeb_mac> but remember that most all the other folks selling synth stuff also have that book
2017-01-27T06:12:15 < emeb_mac> so you'll not find anything to leapfrog the competition there.
2017-01-27T06:13:31 < ohsix> that goes for any book
2017-01-27T06:18:38 < ohsix> huhu ok
2017-01-27T06:18:39 < ohsix> However, by 1990, look for a new music protocol to
2017-01-27T06:18:40 < ohsix> be developed as the weaknesses of MIDI become apparent.
2017-01-27T06:18:45 < ohsix> there's some stuff in here that is funny
2017-01-27T06:19:07 < ohsix> predictions are often really dumb tho
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2017-01-27T06:25:56 < ohsix> https://www.raygear.com/ neat
2017-01-27T06:26:08 < ohsix> they look like the ones used in westworld
2017-01-27T06:26:50 < ohsix> i thought you'd done that already
2017-01-27T06:26:59 < ohsix> wb to crt
2017-01-27T06:27:22 < ohsix> was someone sitting on 'crt' and it wasn't registered or something? why change then change back
2017-01-27T06:37:38 < dongs> with 429I-disco?
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2017-01-27T06:41:38 < dongs> its lacking the most important component needed for learning
2017-01-27T06:41:42 < dongs> arduino(tm) headers
2017-01-27T06:42:25 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-01-27T06:42:36 < dongs> why is autism6 suddenly doing synth shit. its not like he'll ever finish or even start on it
2017-01-27T06:46:04 < dongs> when I look at chips under a loupe, my top left lip is twitching
2017-01-27T06:46:05 < dongs> is this normal
2017-01-27T06:48:51 < dongs> i need a google expert to find this for me: are arduino headers actually proprietary/copyrighted, just free to use?
2017-01-27T06:49:11 < dongs> or are they free as in aids, no strings attached
2017-01-27T06:51:58 < englishman> does arduino even own arduino
2017-01-27T06:54:47 < jadew> how could they be proprietary?
2017-01-27T06:54:59 < jadew> it's just how the board came out, because they're retards
2017-01-27T06:55:37 < jadew> what kind of person puts headers like that?
2017-01-27T06:56:40 < jadew> they probably have a trademark on Arduino, but there's nothing stopping you from saying Arduino compatible
2017-01-27T06:57:26 < dongs>  < jadew> what kind of person puts headers like that?
2017-01-27T06:57:29 < dongs> eagle users
2017-01-27T07:00:34 < emeb_mac> all buying their first month's subscriptions now
2017-01-27T07:00:47 < jadew> haha
2017-01-27T07:00:52 < jadew> what a silly joke
2017-01-27T07:00:58 < ohsix> jadew: it is a dumb way to keep people from putting them on backwards
2017-01-27T07:01:32 < dongs> i hope that announcement results in lots of new sales for diptrace
2017-01-27T07:01:33 < dongs> lolz.
2017-01-27T07:02:01 < emeb_mac> all the FOSS / OSH folks are getting their kicad on now
2017-01-27T07:02:30 < dongs> godo to know.
2017-01-27T07:02:38 < dongs> so basically this guarntees there will be no opensores hardware competition for a while
2017-01-27T07:02:45 < jadew> haha
2017-01-27T07:02:55 < jadew> come on, kicad is decent
2017-01-27T07:03:02 < dongs> get the fuck out
2017-01-27T07:03:05 < dongs> diptrace is decent
2017-01-27T07:03:11 < emeb_mac> yes it is
2017-01-27T07:03:39 < jadew> didn't get to play enough with diptrace, but it seemed inspired from eagle
2017-01-27T07:03:44 < jadew> and that was a turn off for me
2017-01-27T07:03:45 < dongs> ..
2017-01-27T07:03:47 < dongs> not evne close
2017-01-27T07:03:54 < emeb_mac> but I've been trying out kicad recently - it's got warts but it's not terrible
2017-01-27T07:04:11 < emeb_mac> diptrace is nothing like eagle
2017-01-27T07:04:38 < dongs> emeb_mac: how dead is geda, do you still dick with that occasionalyl/
2017-01-27T07:04:51 < emeb_mac> dongs: it's very dead
2017-01-27T07:04:51 < englishman> nobody has ever completed a 2nd project in kicad
2017-01-27T07:04:59 < emeb_mac> haven't used it in a long while
2017-01-27T07:05:19 < emeb_mac> all the contributors seem to have disappeared
2017-01-27T07:05:25 < emeb_mac> and the mail list is quiet
2017-01-27T07:06:00 < jadew> englishman, I'm doing all my stuff in kicad
2017-01-27T07:06:10 < jadew> once you learn the shortcuts it gets very easy to work with
2017-01-27T07:06:15 < emeb_mac> this
2017-01-27T07:06:24 < englishman> and how many projects have you completed
2017-01-27T07:06:31 < emeb_mac> the footprint and symbol editors are pretty good too
2017-01-27T07:06:46 < emeb_mac> wish it had a tabular pinlist like diptrace tho
2017-01-27T07:07:00 < jadew> englishman, a couple, most of the ones I didn't were because of other reasons, that I haven't fully understood yet
2017-01-27T07:07:25 < emeb_mac> you don't have to use tht
2017-01-27T07:07:36 < emeb_mac> can just assign as attributes in the schematic
2017-01-27T07:07:56 < emeb_mac> and symbols can have default footprints
2017-01-27T07:07:57 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you can do it either in the schematic or all at once, with a different tool
2017-01-27T07:08:10 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-27T07:08:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FylL1DP.png this is how typical MAKE:R uses eagle
2017-01-27T07:09:08 < emeb_mac> LeelooMinai: what do you mean actual parts?
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2017-01-27T07:09:50 < jadew> dongs, they don't have net labels?
2017-01-27T07:10:05 < dongs> never mind that
2017-01-27T07:10:13 < dongs> every IC symbol is just a pin header symbol
2017-01-27T07:10:17 < emeb_mac> LeelooMinai: when you do the schematic you select symbols from libs.
2017-01-27T07:10:20 < jadew> oh lol
2017-01-27T07:10:26 < jadew> I thought those are just headers
2017-01-27T07:10:28 < jadew> haha
2017-01-27T07:10:32 < dongs> no, those are ICs
2017-01-27T07:10:39 < emeb_mac> symbols may have footprints, or you may override those & assign your own
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2017-01-27T07:11:34 < englishman> fun fact: i knew a guy with a high paying project management job. he got recruited by autodesk. 8 months later he was dead
2017-01-27T07:11:56 < jadew> englishman, what?
2017-01-27T07:12:06 < emeb_mac> LeelooMinai: AFAIK that's up to you. associating symbol with a physical part is not part of kicad
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2017-01-27T07:12:09 < englishman> just sayin
2017-01-27T07:12:11 < englishman> pal: dead
2017-01-27T07:12:13 < englishman> eagle: dead
2017-01-27T07:12:17 < englishman> coincidence?
2017-01-27T07:12:23 < jadew> heh
2017-01-27T07:12:33 < jadew> what happened to him?
2017-01-27T07:12:51 < englishman> "motorcycle accident"
2017-01-27T07:12:51 < dongs> installed lunix
2017-01-27T07:12:57 < jadew> heh
2017-01-27T07:13:08 < jadew> both plausible causes IMO
2017-01-27T07:13:47 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you can have your own libraries
2017-01-27T07:14:00 < emeb_mac> LeelooMinai: not in the way you're describing
2017-01-27T07:14:02 < jadew> I have my own repository of smaller libraries
2017-01-27T07:16:21 < emeb_mac> perhaps, but it's pretty common in pcb design tools
2017-01-27T07:16:45 < emeb_mac> well, you're free to use something more modern
2017-01-27T07:16:49 < emeb_mac> prepare to pay for it
2017-01-27T07:16:54 < emeb_mac> or code it yourself
2017-01-27T07:17:16 < emeb_mac> but that's the way diptrace and geda and kicad work
2017-01-27T07:17:24 < emeb_mac> dunno about eagle.
2017-01-27T07:17:42 < emeb_mac> it does have a fairly nice symbol selection system
2017-01-27T07:17:42 < jadew> LeelooMinai, nothing can go wrong: http://5.12.8.185/stuff/kicad.png
2017-01-27T07:18:06 < emeb_mac> symbols are partitioned into separate libraries
2017-01-27T07:18:09 < emeb_mac> based on type
2017-01-27T07:18:23 < emeb_mac> you click to place a symbol and a selector window opens
2017-01-27T07:18:37 < emeb_mac> you choose the library and then the symbol from within that library
2017-01-27T07:18:58 < ohsix> guh epub sucks so much
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2017-01-27T07:19:09 < amstan> hey guys, so i locked myself out of a chip
2017-01-27T07:19:19 < dongs> hold reset, connect, erase
2017-01-27T07:19:20 < ohsix> it's bricked
2017-01-27T07:19:37 < jadew> LeelooMinai, haha, that's a nice way to put it
2017-01-27T07:19:37 < emeb_mac> ctrl-alt-del
2017-01-27T07:19:41 < ohsix> did you set secure level 2?
2017-01-27T07:19:48 < ohsix> or whatever it is called
2017-01-27T07:19:50 < amstan> ohsix: i don't believe so
2017-01-27T07:20:10 < amstan> give me a moment to gather some documentation, sorry for peaking everyone's interest early
2017-01-27T07:20:20 < dongs> you were already given a solution
2017-01-27T07:20:25 < dongs> what teh fuck else do you need to look for
2017-01-27T07:21:27 < amstan> LeelooMinai: nah, dongs is cool
2017-01-27T07:22:50 < amstan> here's the openocd log and config: https://bpaste.net/show/c9d6198988f2
2017-01-27T07:23:07 < amstan> i have already tried ample applications of stm32f0x unlock and stm32f0x masserase
2017-01-27T07:23:38 < dongs> just pyhsically connect wiht reset held low (button/clip/whatever), and while its failing to connect, release.
2017-01-27T07:23:59 < amstan> it fails to connect rather fast
2017-01-27T07:24:27 < amstan> but... the moment i release it still says write protected
2017-01-27T07:24:27 < dongs> be quick then
2017-01-27T07:24:30 < dongs> nope.
2017-01-27T07:24:38 < dongs> do you have usart1 connected on ah eader?>
2017-01-27T07:24:40 < dongs> a header
2017-01-27T07:24:43 < amstan> now... i do have it on good autority that it is write protected
2017-01-27T07:24:54 < amstan> but i hope there's a way to undo it
2017-01-27T07:25:07 < dongs> power up wiht boot0 high to enter bootloader, and use stm32flash or st flash loader demonstrator to erase it
2017-01-27T07:26:18 < amstan> dongs: right.. boot0, pull to ground was it?
2017-01-27T07:26:54 < dongs> high for bootloader.
2017-01-27T07:28:10 < amstan> LeelooMinai: i am on linux, i might have an stlink binary
2017-01-27T07:29:17 < amstan> LeelooMinai: so it ended then :)
2017-01-27T07:31:44 < amstan> dongs: trying to flash while it's in the bootloader seems to fail for some reason: https://bpaste.net/show/37032c29d1ce
2017-01-27T07:32:04 < dongs> uh wat
2017-01-27T07:32:17 < dongs> in bootloader mode you should just use stm32flash connected to usart1
2017-01-27T07:32:24 < amstan> right... good point
2017-01-27T07:33:08 < amstan> wait, no, i don't have uart
2017-01-27T07:36:27 < dongs> well shit son. time to fire up windows and stlinkutility.exe
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2017-01-27T07:36:51 < dongs> opensores playtime is over
2017-01-27T07:37:49 < amstan> i haven't touched windows in 5 years and i'm not going to start now
2017-01-27T07:37:55 < amstan> this won't defeat me!
2017-01-27T07:38:08 < aandrew> just upgrade to jlink and leave stinkv2 behind
2017-01-27T07:38:09 < dongs> im sorry to hear that. you should check out windows 10
2017-01-27T07:38:15 < dongs> progress has been made since 1998, unlike on lunix desktosp
2017-01-27T07:38:46 < dongs> screenshot me your gnome file picker plz
2017-01-27T07:38:56 < amstan> it's kde, and other times chromeos
2017-01-27T07:39:17 < dongs> yes, you have zero gtk apps
2017-01-27T07:39:18 < dongs> i belive you
2017-01-27T07:39:26 < amstan> i'm sure chrome still uses gtk
2017-01-27T07:39:57 < dongs> i would be extremely  surprised if it ever did
2017-01-27T07:40:19 < amstan> i have it on good authority it used to
2017-01-27T07:42:46 < amstan> sigh...
2017-01-27T07:44:05 < amstan> well.. so given that I have commited code to linux in the past, for work purposes, i'd say using is not so bad given that it gives me a job
2017-01-27T07:44:54 < dongs> first comes denial
2017-01-27T07:45:48 < amstan> oh, i inflict it on millions of people
2017-01-27T07:47:01 < amstan> i haven
2017-01-27T07:47:25 < amstan> i haven't had problems like you're mentioning, definatelly not at every step
2017-01-27T07:47:55 < amstan> and i'm glad i don't get another COM port every time i unplug my ftdi
2017-01-27T07:48:03 < amstan> so i'm pretty happy with this decision
2017-01-27T07:48:15 < amstan> alright, let's stop being offtopic
2017-01-27T07:48:56 < dongs> that has nothing todo wiht lunix and everything to do wiht FTDI being retarded shit
2017-01-27T07:49:13 < dongs> if anything, thats a fail on lunix because you cannot distinguish parts by serial#
2017-01-27T07:49:23 < dongs> without doing some faggotry in /dev/mod/fuck/wahteve/rthe/shit/fucking/crap
2017-01-27T07:50:00 < dongs> oh and /dev/mod/fuck is obsolete in kernel 4.3.2.1, so you should not use /proc/mod/fuck/dev
2017-01-27T07:50:05 < dongs> not=now
2017-01-27T07:50:25 < dongs> this is hte kinda shit that keeps lunix people employed
2017-01-27T07:50:25 < amstan> dongs: you mean like /dev/serial/by-id/usb-FTDI_FT232R_USB_UART_A9AT5ZVF-if00-port0 ?
2017-01-27T07:50:38 < dongs> figuring out waht eht fuck shit changed today after a recompile
2017-01-27T07:51:47 < amstan> next thing you'll tell me is that i should change my whole project to run windows embedded, because it turns out i can't cross compile linux on windows
2017-01-27T07:54:21 < dongs> crosscompile is lunix invention.
2017-01-27T07:54:43 < dongs> there's no use for it during normal development
2017-01-27T07:54:46 < amstan> dongs: you're cross compiling stuff when you compile stm32 code you know
2017-01-27T07:54:51 < dongs> no
2017-01-27T07:54:58 < dongs> i'm compiling stuff for stm32
2017-01-27T07:55:03 < dongs> using a commercial compiler i paid for
2017-01-27T07:55:17 < dongs> "cross" shit never enters into the process here.
2017-01-27T07:55:38 < amstan> *facepalm*
2017-01-27T07:56:28 < amstan> LeelooMinai: i don't know, he has an issue with the term
2017-01-27T07:57:41 < PaulFertser> amstan: do you still need help with openocd?
2017-01-27T07:57:50 < amstan> PaulFertser: heh, perhaps
2017-01-27T07:58:00 < PaulFertser> amstan: let's move to #openocd then
2017-01-27T07:58:02 < amstan> sorry, i got distracted
2017-01-27T07:58:06 < amstan> ty
2017-01-27T07:58:57 < dongs> ^ actually the correct way to handle all the retarded trolls in here
2017-01-27T07:59:19 < dongs> leelooman and o6 will have you running in circles
2017-01-27T07:59:21 < dongs> getting nothign done
2017-01-27T07:59:39 < PaulFertser> dongs: though they're right about cross-compiling.
2017-01-27T08:00:12 < dongs> in their own little world where only gcc exists, sure
2017-01-27T08:06:07 < ohsix> sup
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2017-01-27T08:06:25 < PaulFertser> dongs: that's common terminology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-compiling
2017-01-27T08:07:34 < dongs> i see only references to gcc
2017-01-27T08:07:55 < dongs> not a single commercial product calls their <compiler x> a "cross-compiler for x"
2017-01-27T08:11:54 < ohsix> wow rando comes in and tells you to stay on topic
2017-01-27T08:11:54 < ohsix> owned
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2017-01-27T08:16:17 < dongs> PaulFertser: do you know anyone wiht ARM licenses, is SC300 available as source or only as netlist/binary?
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2017-01-27T08:18:03 < PaulFertser> dongs: I just do not know anybody who can know, sorry.
2017-01-27T08:18:20 < dongs> ok np
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2017-01-27T08:19:27 < ohsix> twitter is kewl for those types of questions
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2017-01-27T08:27:33 < ohsix> lul that sc300 has a logo for countermeasures licensed from rambus in the docs
2017-01-27T08:30:37 < dongs> https://github.com/ARM-software/trappy lol
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2017-01-27T08:37:14 < dongs> walls of text
2017-01-27T08:39:54 < dongs> oh zyp your shit is done. i guess i gotta solder those fucking RJ45s tho unless you wanna do taht
2017-01-27T08:47:32 < dongs> no
2017-01-27T08:47:41 < ohsix> ReadError: damn each episode of this is 2h, will have to watch @ weekend at earliest
2017-01-27T08:47:52 < ohsix> ReadError: also lol workaholics, a sudden fiat inappropriately appears
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2017-01-27T08:48:31 < ReadError> ya
2017-01-27T08:49:31 < dongs> Ontario, CA is fucking canada or califail?
2017-01-27T08:49:41 < dongs> k califail
2017-01-27T08:51:51 < ohsix> ReadError: they better have made a deal with the devil to not have been cancelled before the previous season, cuz it wasn't worth it
2017-01-27T08:53:10 < dongs> http://brickseek.com/walmart-inventory-checker/?sku=189211993
2017-01-27T08:53:43 < dongs> $2.5 for 32niggabtes
2017-01-27T08:53:46 < dongs> even o6 can aford
2017-01-27T08:59:20 < ohsix> nice, adventure time blurayz are being posted
2017-01-27T09:03:46 < ohsix> dongs: none here
2017-01-27T09:05:21 < ohsix> lul shuffling juarez for the first time on 16gbz, everything stays in memory and is super fast
2017-01-27T09:07:01 < upgrdman> why do they even make 32GB usb sticks any more
2017-01-27T09:07:10 < upgrdman> fucking 200GB uSD is like $60
2017-01-27T09:08:10 < dongs> upgrdman: beacuse $2.5
2017-01-27T09:08:25 < ohsix> you can still make a profit on that
2017-01-27T09:08:42 < upgrdman> dongs, o. i just say the 20 msrp
2017-01-27T09:08:43 < ohsix> back to skewl junk, companies make like 2 million of those a year and they're shit
2017-01-27T09:08:47 < upgrdman> saw*
2017-01-27T09:09:14 < ohsix> i have a few sandisk 8gb ones for shitdrives
2017-01-27T09:09:34 < upgrdman> shit when i was in school usb memory sticks were a new concept. i think i paid like $80 for 256MB. much better than using those faggot Zip Dicks
2017-01-27T09:10:24 < upgrdman> i also remember Orb Drives. fucking 2GB HDD in a cartridge. legit HDD platter, but hte heads were kept in the drive.
2017-01-27T09:11:23 < upgrdman> ya but until the mount rainer thinggy, cd-rw was a bitch to use for random fuckery
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2017-01-27T09:11:36 < dongs> who teh fuck used cdrw for anything
2017-01-27T09:11:38 < dongs> shit was uselss
2017-01-27T09:12:29 < dongs> cdiweb site so fucking slow
2017-01-27T09:12:47 < dongs> congrats
2017-01-27T09:12:58 < upgrdman> lol @ 6 monitor setup  https://www.reddit.com/r/shittybattlestations/comments/5pry0q/remote_technicians_office_after_a_24_hour_shift/
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2017-01-27T09:15:41 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3ItDnJUYAA6K47.jpg
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2017-01-27T09:18:55 < dongs> god damn cdiweb site is almost unusable
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2017-01-27T09:20:39 < ohsix> it's been that way since the 90s
2017-01-27T09:20:41 < ohsix> why are you on it
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2017-01-27T09:23:30 < dongs> just ordered some electronic components from cdiweb, total $894
2017-01-27T09:23:50 < dongs> STMicroelectronics parts
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2017-01-27T09:25:29 < dongs> just stuff as usual
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2017-01-27T09:27:21 < dongs> no lol
2017-01-27T09:27:51 < dongs> black/white
2017-01-27T09:28:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/hrjvMOZ.png
2017-01-27T09:29:19 < upgrdman> dongs, dont even antialias?
2017-01-27T09:29:28 < dongs> upgrdman: i have a 4k screen
2017-01-27T09:29:33 < dongs> i dont need antifuckingalias wat
2017-01-27T09:29:42 < dongs> if fonts arent 1pixel wide, they can fuck off
2017-01-27T09:29:46 < upgrdman> true
2017-01-27T09:29:57 < upgrdman> but fuck thats gotta be annoying to reads 1px thick fonts on a 4k
2017-01-27T09:30:23 < dongs> works for me
2017-01-27T09:31:01 < dongs> R2COM: one of microsoft fonts
2017-01-27T09:31:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, you wants a decent mono font? consolas
2017-01-27T09:31:48 < upgrdman> its like msft's version on monaco
2017-01-27T09:31:52 < dongs> consolas sux
2017-01-27T09:31:52 < upgrdman> but slightly gayer
2017-01-27T09:32:19 < upgrdman> dongs, youre an arial masterrace?
2017-01-27T09:32:35 < dongs> wat, i pasted my screenshto
2017-01-27T09:32:40 < dongs> its fixed width
2017-01-27T09:32:42 < dongs> not arial
2017-01-27T09:32:43 < upgrdman> wtf font is it
2017-01-27T09:32:56 < upgrdman> err i meant courier
2017-01-27T09:32:56 < dongs> whatthefont.com or somethin bro
2017-01-27T09:32:58 < upgrdman> not arial, lol
2017-01-27T09:33:07 < dongs> lol courier yea my code windows are courier cuz im too lazy :(
2017-01-27T09:33:23 < ohsix> airiola
2017-01-27T09:33:32 < upgrdman> be super pro and irc with font set to webdings
2017-01-27T09:34:15 < upgrdman> dongs, i thought you like that gays kids font on your android phone
2017-01-27T09:34:17 < ohsix> i tried to use ocr-a in processing/arduino and it fails
2017-01-27T09:34:30 < upgrdman> like comic sans but 5x gayer
2017-01-27T09:34:51 < dongs> yeah thats on phone tho
2017-01-27T09:34:52 < dongs> choco cookie
2017-01-27T09:34:54 < dongs> best font ever
2017-01-27T09:35:05 < dongs> thats probly not so bad for irc
2017-01-27T09:35:15 < dongs> err choco cooky
2017-01-27T09:35:17 < ohsix> that samsung font lul
2017-01-27T09:35:18 < dongs> R2COM: no
2017-01-27T09:35:30 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCR-A
2017-01-27T09:35:32 < upgrdman> wtf. when is this bubble going to pop. stm has p/e of >200    https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ASTM
2017-01-27T09:35:45 < dongs> http://luc.devroye.org/AndiChrist-RixLovefool-2012.png oh gawd
2017-01-27T09:36:08 < dongs> R2COM: whatthefont.com
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2017-01-27T09:37:07 < dongs> you load my png there
2017-01-27T09:37:07 < dongs> and find out
2017-01-27T09:37:14 < ohsix> OH SHIT DAWG, JAMES BAXTER IS BACK ON ADVENTURE TIME
2017-01-27T09:37:30 < dongs> http://s862.photobucket.com/user/Gheilafkim/media/chocolatecookybygheia.jpg.html
2017-01-27T09:37:37 < dongs> > by gheia
2017-01-27T09:40:40 < Thorn> http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
2017-01-27T09:41:07 < dongs> thats even older than your bobcat vids
2017-01-27T09:41:30 < Thorn> meow
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2017-01-27T09:42:06 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep2rZTgnJho
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2017-01-27T09:43:30 < ReadError> got a new work phone
2017-01-27T09:43:35 < ReadError> s7
2017-01-27T09:43:45 < ReadError> they any good?
2017-01-27T09:43:48 < dongs> trash
2017-01-27T09:44:00 < dongs> way too heavy
2017-01-27T09:44:01 < dongs> and fuck edge
2017-01-27T09:44:32 < ReadError> I had an s3 lol just been too lazy to swap it
2017-01-27T09:45:04 < dongs> he can at his work
2017-01-27T09:45:17 < dongs> its all about storing dicks there
2017-01-27T09:45:28 < dongs> R2COM: did you buy a fucking vr dongle yet so i can beat your ass in some vr game
2017-01-27T09:50:01 < ohsix> carnally
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2017-01-27T09:54:15 < dongs> who the fuck is autisming?
2017-01-27T09:55:10 < dongs> im goin to check out alaska next week
2017-01-27T09:55:52 < dongs> i think hes in the other corner of canda
2017-01-27T09:55:56 < dongs> the shitty french-canadian one
2017-01-27T09:56:02 < dongs> nothing flies over there
2017-01-27T09:56:04 < dongs> not even flies
2017-01-27T09:58:28 < dongs> is that a dead pixel
2017-01-27T10:02:54 < dongs> is lelooman still raged about trump
2017-01-27T10:03:43 < ohsix> crt: o shit dawg
2017-01-27T10:04:41 < dongs> youre not supposed to bake jews in same room as youre doing stm32 work
2017-01-27T10:05:42 < dongs> haha
2017-01-27T10:05:51 < dongs> banging head against keyboard
2017-01-27T10:05:56 < dongs> arguing with nobody
2017-01-27T10:10:35 < ReadError> huhuhu
2017-01-27T10:10:42 < ReadError> it's waterproof
2017-01-27T10:10:50 < ReadError> or resistant
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2017-01-27T10:11:02 < dongs> lelooman never leaves the house
2017-01-27T10:11:07 < dongs> why would he care if somehting is waterproof
2017-01-27T10:11:21 < dongs> oh s7 yeah
2017-01-27T10:11:25 < dongs> you can drop it in the toilet while sexting
2017-01-27T10:11:38 < ReadError> noice
2017-01-27T10:11:47 < dongs> (with leeelooman, and he drops the dick and youre like ewww and drop phone into toilet)
2017-01-27T10:13:05 < dongs> R2COM: yea but thats a female creature
2017-01-27T10:13:14 < ReadError> Wonder when the Canadian government will start paying for gender reassignment surgery
2017-01-27T10:13:30 < ReadError> soon I bet
2017-01-27T10:14:02 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl-CkTc3PvE < leeloominai
2017-01-27T10:14:57 < dongs> is that thing still in stonertronics
2017-01-27T10:15:04 < dongs> ^ crt
2017-01-27T10:16:45 < ReadError> how does this keep coming up anyways lol
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2017-01-27T10:17:27 < ReadError> u always on his mind LeelooMinai?
2017-01-27T10:18:05 < dongs> yea i certainly dont. im sitting here loading firmware on boards
2017-01-27T10:18:11 < dongs> watching r2com scroll by
2017-01-27T10:18:15 < dongs> since i cant see lelooman
2017-01-27T10:18:20 < ReadError> with what
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2017-01-27T10:22:04 < ohsix> wut
2017-01-27T10:22:36 < dongs> self-autism
2017-01-27T10:22:41 < dongs> < R2COM> you started discussion which bothers you, correct?
2017-01-27T10:25:22 < ReadError> R2COM: how did LeelooMinai start this?
2017-01-27T10:25:52 < ReadError> I'm driving bitch
2017-01-27T10:26:40 < ReadError> you would never see me coming
2017-01-27T10:26:55 < ReadError> well I'm the only car for miles
2017-01-27T10:27:28 < ReadError> Type
2017-01-27T10:27:56 < ReadError> this is a skill honed over many years
2017-01-27T10:28:21 < ReadError> like rolling a blunt while driving with knees
2017-01-27T10:28:39 < ReadError> get on my level
2017-01-27T10:29:36 < ReadError> while twisting one up?
2017-01-27T10:30:34 < ReadError> can you make 90degree turns
2017-01-27T10:32:34 < ReadError> lol I doubt it R2COM
2017-01-27T10:33:05 < ReadError> I can drive under any state of mind
2017-01-27T10:34:33 < dongs> snort
2017-01-27T10:35:24 < dongs> already picking up indians from $CY office?
2017-01-27T10:37:39 < dongs> hes not wrong
2017-01-27T10:45:33 < ohsix> everything is modified carbon
2017-01-27T10:45:40 < ohsix> duuuuuuumb
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2017-01-27T11:26:13 < ohsix> lame
2017-01-27T11:26:20 < ohsix> have to do a lot of pki shit to setup vpn
2017-01-27T11:26:48 < ohsix> which isn't a huge problem, but distributing the certs and telling the people that actually want to use it is going to be a lot of work
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2017-01-27T11:45:24 < ohsix> heh they still have fishbulb
2017-01-27T11:45:34 < ohsix> and leeloo too, i suppose
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2017-01-27T12:08:16 < amstan> dongs, LeelooMinai: fixed it
2017-01-27T12:08:30 < amstan> my firmware was just evil and it would relock the moment it was booting
2017-01-27T12:08:53 < amstan> boot0 wasn't really working until i applied some spamming of reset halt
2017-01-27T12:12:22 < ReadError> crt: get that paki code yet?
2017-01-27T12:13:51 < ReadError> hola hola $100
2017-01-27T12:13:54 < ReadError> freecancer
2017-01-27T12:14:14 < ReadError> spirits shit
2017-01-27T12:14:21 < ReadError> he said he would give it to u
2017-01-27T12:14:44 < ReadError> hasnt been back since the ragequit
2017-01-27T12:15:01 < ohsix> https://github.com/vurtun/nuklear random gui toolkit showing up in googling
2017-01-27T12:15:13 < ohsix> amstan: so it was one of the protection flags
2017-01-27T12:15:14 < ReadError> I dont get how he expected to do the rest 
2017-01-27T12:18:28 < ReadError> going on a bender this weekend m8?
2017-01-27T12:19:44 < ReadError> its my birthday today
2017-01-27T12:19:50 < ReadError> official oldfag
2017-01-27T12:20:16 < Steffanx> Lies. You are 13.
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2017-01-27T12:20:59 < ReadError> in spirit
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2017-01-27T12:29:26 < ReadError> ty
2017-01-27T12:33:34 < Steffanx> And your body ReadError?
2017-01-27T12:33:59 < ReadError> turning 30 but still in good condition 
2017-01-27T12:35:52 < Steffanx> No longer in your 20s thats baaad.
2017-01-27T12:36:15 < Steffanx> 20s is best. After that it only goes downwards
2017-01-27T12:36:38 < Steffanx> Not speaking out of experience though :P
2017-01-27T12:36:56 < ReadError> well several said they reached a new state of enlightenment in their 30s
2017-01-27T12:37:06 < ReadError> like another part of their brain turned on
2017-01-27T12:37:09 < ReadError> we'll see
2017-01-27T12:38:10 < Steffanx> Bit your spirit is 13.
2017-01-27T12:38:22 < Steffanx> But
2017-01-27T12:38:32 < ReadError> yea but the brain is a physical thing too
2017-01-27T12:39:20 < karlp> getting old is just a continuing adventure so far. differnet things, different pleasures.
2017-01-27T12:39:24 < Steffanx> Maybe youll run for president.
2017-01-27T12:39:32 < karlp> not old enough ;)
2017-01-27T12:39:38 < karlp> well, old enough in this country maybe.
2017-01-27T12:39:55 < karlp> current pres is 10 years older than me.
2017-01-27T13:03:04 < dongs>  amstan> my firmware was just evil and it would relock the moment it was booting
2017-01-27T13:03:09 < dongs> sounds like you were flashig BMP
2017-01-27T13:03:41 < zyp> haha
2017-01-27T13:04:05 < dongs> it exhibits this virus-like behaviour, and wahts funnier, at the time, opensores tools could not unlock it
2017-01-27T13:04:30 < jpa-> opensores is a virus anyway, they don't let down other viruses
2017-01-27T13:05:19 < dongs> pretty much, starting with the license
2017-01-27T13:05:27 < dongs> gpl being viral and all that
2017-01-27T13:05:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> yeah, so like, by definition
2017-01-27T13:06:04 < karlp> plz, not all opensores is gplaids
2017-01-27T13:06:59 < dongs> what license is zypsnips under
2017-01-27T13:08:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> You know what would be great? A guide to how to make loc3 / other LGPL stuff actually work in embedded
2017-01-27T13:09:40 < jpa-> by what definition of work?
2017-01-27T13:09:43 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, well, that's easy enough
2017-01-27T13:09:52 < Jak_o_Shadows> By work, legal.
2017-01-27T13:10:03 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, if you publish your own source, you're of course compliant
2017-01-27T13:10:06 < jpa-> yeah
2017-01-27T13:10:08 < jpa-> trivial
2017-01-27T13:10:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> Ok, let's presume I cannot publish my own source
2017-01-27T13:10:17 < karlp> dongs: zypsnips should be considered CC0/WTFPL/MIT/ISC/BSD2/X11/Apache2/PD at your leisure
2017-01-27T13:10:47 < zyp> if you don't publish your own source, you have to publish object files so the user can relink them
2017-01-27T13:10:47 < karlp> Jak_o_Shadows: you need to provide a "make"file plus the .o or .a of your portion.
2017-01-27T13:10:48 < jpa-> then you publish linkable binaries and way to update firmware and cross your fingers that the gpl god doesn't decide your integration is too tight
2017-01-27T13:11:05 < karlp> don't _reallly_ hav eto provide help on updating the firmware though
2017-01-27T13:11:27 < zyp> there's that «tivoization» shitt
2017-01-27T13:11:30 < jpa-> of course, publishing linkable binaries probably gives too much information about your internals and you don't want to do that and you'll just use stdperiph instead
2017-01-27T13:11:41 < jpa-> karlp: depends on gplv2 or gplv3
2017-01-27T13:11:54 < karlp> still a bit vague and untested IMO.
2017-01-27T13:11:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> The tivo's stuff is about preventing it, not helping.
2017-01-27T13:12:01 < karlp> but on that one, consult your lawyer.
2017-01-27T13:12:13 < jpa-> might just go all the way if one bothers
2017-01-27T13:12:49 < jpa-> otherwise just go and use libopencm3 without doing anything, worry about it if someone sues (they most likely wont)
2017-01-27T13:12:49 < karlp> Jak_o_Shadows: the bigger issue is normally trying to track who you distribute too...
2017-01-27T13:13:23 < karlp> the fine point of the law on "fix it if someone complains" is that you actually lose the right to the code when you're in violation, and have to be explicitly granted it back again.
2017-01-27T13:13:35 < karlp> you don't automatically receive the rights again just by fixing your compliance.
2017-01-27T13:13:56 < karlp> though, traditionally, the copyright holders will relicence once you're back in compliance...
2017-01-27T13:14:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> TBH, now that I'm a tad more familiar is that it either isn't so bewildering
2017-01-27T13:14:20 < karlp> basically, lgpl is _feasible_ compared to gpl, but it's still a fucking pain, and you should use something with a better license
2017-01-27T13:14:39 < jpa-> karlp: hmm, first time i hear about that; is that "lose" tied to the company, the person or the codebase? or the received copy, so if the webpage gives you another copy you get a new license?
2017-01-27T13:16:05 < karlp> jpa-: let me dig up the source on that again, two min.
2017-01-27T13:16:32  * jpa- patiently waits
2017-01-27T13:17:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> On a technical level, I don't think I get how to separate it all
2017-01-27T13:17:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> Does this mean I just have to include all the .o of all my stuff?
2017-01-27T13:17:33 < jpa-> yeah
2017-01-27T13:18:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> So my normal makefil should also work shouldn't it? Cause it'll just see that all the .o's exist
2017-01-27T13:18:05 < jpa-> you can of course do things like put it all into a single .o or .a using linker magic, but you need to have a bundle of "everything except LGPL code"
2017-01-27T13:18:11 < jpa-> sure
2017-01-27T13:18:28 < jpa-> but if you want to keep your source code secret, you might also want to keep your makefile and symbol names secret
2017-01-27T13:18:35 < karlp> http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/compliance-guide.html section 5.2
2017-01-27T13:18:39 < jpa-> and especially you want to make sure you rip out all debugging symbols
2017-01-27T13:19:31 < karlp> Jak_o_Shadows: you probably want to do things like tidying up what's actually static/non-static, stripping debug, 
2017-01-27T13:20:28 < jpa-> where it gets interesting is inlined functions from headers files.. not sure if libopencm3 has any
2017-01-27T13:20:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> loc3 seems to be LGPLv3, which is more leniant at least.
2017-01-27T13:20:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> Also, how secret can you make it anyway?
2017-01-27T13:21:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> Even if you're just distributing a hex or bin
2017-01-27T13:21:33 < karlp> jpa-: I'm not sure I really get the inline thing, headers are ruled as noncopyrightable apis.  
2017-01-27T13:21:56 < jpa-> karlp: are they always? or just when they only define the API
2017-01-27T13:22:06 < PaulFertser> But if you have non-trivial code in inline functions, it's copyrightable.
2017-01-27T13:22:09 < jpa-> otherwise you could make karlp-libopencm3 where every .c is renamed .h
2017-01-27T13:22:44 < karlp> so what, put some inline functions in a .h, use them widely, use it to try and turn lgpl projects into defacto gpl?
2017-01-27T13:23:09 < jpa-> Jak_o_Shadows: typically if one wants really to keep it secret, you have a custom bootloader and encrypted firmware binaries (and readout protection on the chip); but of course, everything can be broken
2017-01-27T13:23:23 < karlp> I think yo ucould try that, but I think you'd have to go with, "the original author intended for this to be inlined, but only chose lgpl, they must be intending lgpl, and the inlining must be intended"
2017-01-27T13:23:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> I wanna say bugger that jpa-. Seems like a dick move
2017-01-27T13:24:08 < karlp> jpa-: I actually can't find the termination clause in lgpl, only in gpl.
2017-01-27T13:24:25 < Jak_o_Shadows> Especially since it's going (eventually) to have the capability to do updates via uploading an image to memory anyway
2017-01-27T13:24:26 < PaulFertser> karlp: well, a consumer will either have to avoid using those inline functions altogether or to provide his full source code, probably in obfuscated form.
2017-01-27T13:24:33 < jpa-> lgplv3 probably has it because it incorporates whole gpl with exception
2017-01-27T13:24:49 < karlp> jpa-: lgpl also explicitly includes ineline functionsn or macros less than 10 lines
2017-01-27T13:24:49 < PaulFertser> karlp: I think it's fair enough. LGPL basically requires to allow relinking with newer/other version.
2017-01-27T13:25:05 < jpa-> karlp: hah, funny :)
2017-01-27T13:25:35 < jpa-> karlp: i wonder if one could sed s/\n/ / *.c; rename *.c *.h  then ;)
2017-01-27T13:25:50 < karlp> jpa-: only if the functions are all less than 10 lines...
2017-01-27T13:26:00 < jpa-> they are once you remove the newlines
2017-01-27T13:26:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> aaha
2017-01-27T13:26:18 < jpa-> of course you'll distribute your minified-libopencm3 under lgplv3
2017-01-27T13:27:04 < karlp> I'm not convinced that you lose the lgpl portion just by using inline functions already.
2017-01-27T13:27:29 < karlp> but no we're deep into armchair laywering, which is a fucking waste of time.
2017-01-27T13:28:18 < karlp> imagine how much more productive we'd all be if no-one ever had to answer questions like, "how do I actually be compliant"
2017-01-27T13:30:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> yeah
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2017-01-27T13:31:17 < jpa-> karlp: yeah
2017-01-27T13:32:18 < jpa-> real world courts are annoying in that they often also consider intent and not just strict rules
2017-01-27T13:33:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> What is the intent of LGPL - make you return any changes, but use it as part of a bigger project anyway?
2017-01-27T13:33:57 < jpa-> lgpl works fine for dynamically linked libraries and is quite clear there
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2017-01-27T13:34:43 < jpa-> it might actually not be too difficult to make a simple .so loader for STM32
2017-01-27T13:34:56 < jpa-> i think nuttx or retrobsd actually might have dynamic library support
2017-01-27T13:36:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> I looked into freeRTOS today. Decided I didn't need it
2017-01-27T13:39:27 < dongs> feertos is huge overkill
2017-01-27T13:39:32 < dongs> keil rtx is free and works fine
2017-01-27T13:39:38 < dongs> and follows cmsis-rtos api or whatever
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2017-01-27T13:40:13 < Jak_o_Shadows>  decided that I had no need for it, considering all my stuff needs to run in a set order
2017-01-27T13:44:54 < karlp> jpa-: I'm rather glad that courts actually use intent. it's what makes courts sane.
2017-01-27T13:45:30 < zyp> dongs, ok, got you addr
2017-01-27T13:45:33 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, i forgot to add ";)"
2017-01-27T13:46:22 < dongs> i take it im soldering those rj45s then
2017-01-27T13:46:43 < zyp> dongs, oh, yeah, that'd be great
2017-01-27T13:47:21 < zyp> forgot that that was a step too
2017-01-27T13:48:23 < zyp> I could have done that if the boards were shipped to me first, but I'm in the other end of the country now, so that's just inconvenient
2017-01-27T13:53:20 < dongs> ya doesnt matter
2017-01-27T13:53:42 < dongs> i take it they dont wany 1-2 of each remaining parts either right
2017-01-27T13:54:17 < dongs> oh, what about your mouser trash
2017-01-27T14:00:51 < dongs> fuckijg buggy valve shitware
2017-01-27T14:02:21 < dongs> more like steaming pile of feces
2017-01-27T14:05:19 < zyp> dongs, nah, don't see what they'd use them for
2017-01-27T14:05:53 < zyp> my mouser trash is going on that other board
2017-01-27T14:06:26 < zyp> that I haven't finished up yet because you said you won't get the remaining parts until after chinese newyears anyway
2017-01-27T14:06:35 < dongs> oh, right 
2017-01-27T14:06:35 < dongs> k
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2017-01-27T14:45:20 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc
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2017-01-27T14:50:27 < Laurenceb_> https://vault.fbi.gov/gamergate/Gamergate%20Part%2001%20of%2001/view
2017-01-27T14:52:56 < karlp> no-one cares...
2017-01-27T14:53:27 < Laurenceb_> tl;dr : it was Brianna Woo and Sarkassian all along
2017-01-27T14:56:53 < ReadError> boring
2017-01-27T15:02:37 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/jxJ6aQL.jpg
2017-01-27T15:03:18 < Laurenceb_> http://objectiveministries.org/creation/sciencefair.html
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2017-01-27T15:23:40 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: it's all so absurd that it looks like a self-parody; it's hard to believe that material is not a hoax and there really are plenty of people sharing those views.
2017-01-27T15:24:48 < PaulFertser> "social sciences show that the wages for women workers are lower than for normal workers, meaning that they are unable to work as well and thus earn equal pay"
2017-01-27T15:25:52 < Laurenceb_>  "Dinosaur & Man Walked Together" - Donny Findlay (grade 6)
2017-01-27T15:34:38 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/dc60314c30dd918a8f7b946e0947ebcf132bed08512e1b55e3989db13f73f00e.jpg
2017-01-27T15:36:53 < ReadError> http://www.androidauthority.com/facebook-helps-speed-up-chrome-745639/
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2017-01-27T15:46:19 < dongs> the last line makes no sense
2017-01-27T15:46:26 < dongs> "it als oworks in firefox" wat
2017-01-27T15:46:35 < dongs> so facebook made reloading their pages faster? ok who gives a fuck?
2017-01-27T15:53:59 < ReadError> its all webpages
2017-01-27T15:54:21 < ReadError> Thankfully, in Chrome 54 Facebook helped optimize the validation process by reducing what the server needs to validate.
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2017-01-27T16:09:11 < dongs> oic k wahtever
2017-01-27T16:09:23 < dongs> as long as "chrome 54" allows me to go to ecnrypted.google.com and then set it as search engine
2017-01-27T16:09:26 < dongs> I'll be all good
2017-01-27T16:09:28 < dongs> because FUCK AMP
2017-01-27T16:12:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Java/Web-development-12916773/
2017-01-27T16:12:42 < dongs> hydroponic = stoners?
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2017-01-27T16:17:23 < ReadError> yea looks like some kinda grow setup anyways
2017-01-27T16:17:27 < ReadError> maybe tomatoes 
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2017-01-27T16:46:58 < dongs> CNN Officially ▒Blacklisted▒ From All Future White House Press Events
2017-01-27T16:51:02 < englishman> https://youtu.be/xVHcORBs2_Q?t=5m34s
2017-01-27T16:51:03 < englishman> lol
2017-01-27T16:52:02 < dongs> is that google glass
2017-01-27T16:52:43 < dongs> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4160100/Massive-fissure-opens-Arizona-desert.html RIP R2COM
2017-01-27T16:53:07 < ReadError> dongs: source
2017-01-27T16:53:12 < englishman> dont forget emeb
2017-01-27T16:53:22 < englishman> now that theyre roomies
2017-01-27T16:53:28 < dongs> ah right
2017-01-27T16:53:34 < dongs> thats a bit more sad loss
2017-01-27T16:53:45 < dongs> R2COM only provides entertainment when hes pissing off leelooman
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2017-01-27T16:59:19 < dongs> englishman: also why the shit are  you awake
2017-01-27T16:59:33 < englishman> ?
2017-01-27T16:59:42 < englishman> why the shit are YOU awake
2017-01-27T16:59:46 < BrainDamage> it's like early morning there
2017-01-27T16:59:48 < dongs> oh 10am in canada
2017-01-27T16:59:54 < dongs> well its only midnight, k im outa here
2017-01-27T17:00:09 < englishman> whens your trip
2017-01-27T17:00:15 < dongs> in like 4 days?
2017-01-27T17:00:16 < dongs> or someshti
2017-01-27T17:00:18 < englishman> cool
2017-01-27T17:00:27 < englishman> take new pix of the extraction
2017-01-27T17:00:58 < englishman> also https://gfycat.com/KeenBewitchedIberianbarbel
2017-01-27T17:01:16 < dongs> not DJI
2017-01-27T17:01:31 < englishman> ur rite
2017-01-27T17:01:33 < englishman> naze32
2017-01-27T17:01:53 < dongs> on DJI frame, so SERVES THEM RIGHT
2017-01-27T17:02:12 < BrainDamage> do you plan to strap a bomb to those stands?
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2017-01-27T17:08:20 < zyp> hmm, I think my RTC is running a bit too slow
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2017-01-27T17:20:17 < karlp> funky http://www.edn-europe.com/news/researchers-make-single-led-dice-electrically-tunable-red-blue?news_id=90754
2017-01-27T17:35:08 < Laurenceb> https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10171961&cid=53748131
2017-01-27T17:40:40 < Steffanx> Better try /topic laurenceb ;)
2017-01-27T17:42:00 < Laurenceb> yeah we should call the UN
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2017-01-27T17:59:05 < Fleck> 350mA? :D doooh
2017-01-27T18:10:17 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/CourtNewsUK/status/824936008995241984
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2017-01-27T18:10:56 < Rob235> why are all books worth reading over 1000 pages... too many of them
2017-01-27T18:12:09 < emeb> what we need is a service that can "digest" books down to a reasonable length. Might call it "Readers Digest" or something...
2017-01-27T18:12:15 < Rob235> intro to algorithms by thomas cormen and practical electronics for inventors are at the top of the list
2017-01-27T18:12:46 < Rob235> I said books worth reading :P
2017-01-27T18:14:08 < BrainDamage> you could pay someone to summarize the knowledge and answer on specific questions on demand, we could call it a "teacher" or "professor"
2017-01-27T18:14:26 < Rob235> that costs a lot more and they expect you to read the book anyway
2017-01-27T18:15:07 < BrainDamage> you can pay even more and you won't need the book, but you complaind about length, not the cost
2017-01-27T18:15:42 < Rob235> taking a course vs reading a book on your own time... courses are usually longer, but anyway, I was just bitching.  I'm going to read em :)
2017-01-27T18:22:32 < Laurenceb> lul https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad
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2017-01-27T18:37:21 < ReadError> https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/26/trump-signs-executive-order-stripping-non-citizens-of-privacy-ri/
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2017-01-27T19:02:30 < aandrew> blah. snmp server is good. I can't find some very, very simple snmp v1 or v2c client code that isn't based on net::snmp
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2017-01-27T19:03:23 < aandrew> Rob235: all of Kurt Vonnegut's stuff is small, under 400 pages
2017-01-27T19:04:44 < Rob235> never read any, I should get into reading for fun
2017-01-27T19:04:56 < aandrew> he's probably my favourite author
2017-01-27T19:05:06 < Rob235> I always feel like I should be reading some kind of textbook and learning instead
2017-01-27T19:05:18 < aandrew> not all knowledge is technical
2017-01-27T19:05:19 < Rob235> but you do learn from all books
2017-01-27T19:05:25 < Rob235> right
2017-01-27T19:05:27 < karlp> aandrew: why does that matter? it's your daemon that's constrained right?
2017-01-27T19:05:35 < karlp> or are you trying to have snmp client on your stm32?
2017-01-27T19:06:02 < aandrew> karlp: the server is done and working. just trying to be lazy and write a minimal "get one integer|string" oid client
2017-01-27T19:06:07 < aandrew> karlp: yes, the latter
2017-01-27T19:07:44 < karlp> curious use case.
2017-01-27T19:11:25 < Laurenceb> where is your Musk now http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/6D9D/production/_93816082_musktrumpafp.jpg
2017-01-27T19:12:15 < Rob235> you guys use simple smb sharing for transferring files around your home network?
2017-01-27T19:13:49 < aandrew> karlp: indeed. it's using SNMP to control other devices, and providing data via SNMP for its own status
2017-01-27T19:14:04 < Laurenceb> Rob235: I use it for _everything_
2017-01-27T19:14:41 < Rob235> ok
2017-01-27T19:15:44 < englishman> Rob235: yea
2017-01-27T19:15:53 < englishman> windows filesharing just works
2017-01-27T19:16:18 < Rob235> can you create user accounts just for smb or do you have to use an account on the computer? on my mac I have to enter login info every time to connect to my windows machine because it doesn't remember the whole email address of the user account, just the name part. 
2017-01-27T19:16:20 < Laurenceb> more importantly windows net admins know how to configure it
2017-01-27T19:16:41 < Rob235> I guess I should look into configuration
2017-01-27T19:16:45 < Laurenceb> on ubuntu I have an account just for smb
2017-01-27T19:16:56 < Laurenceb> that was its blocked off from everything else
2017-01-27T19:17:19 < Laurenceb> although I doubt its secure
2017-01-27T19:17:38 < Laurenceb> e.g, they create a large blank file then read it into a hex editor
2017-01-27T19:20:16 < Rob235> ugh my hard drives are a mess
2017-01-27T19:20:41 < Rob235> my unsorted folders are huge
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2017-01-27T19:45:04 < Steffanx> Cant you add the credentials to your keychain rob235?
2017-01-27T19:45:50 < Rob235> maybe I just did it wrong, I haven't really looked. It is saved, it loads the part of my email address before the @ but I have to type the rest
2017-01-27T19:47:00 < Rob235> maybe I should switch to offline account for win10
2017-01-27T19:47:20 < Rob235> I'll figure it out later, more important stuff to do now
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2017-01-27T19:47:32 < englishman> just get new, larger hard drives
2017-01-27T19:47:41 < englishman> so the old full ones are ~insignificant
2017-01-27T19:47:51 < englishman> thats all i do
2017-01-27T19:48:01 < englishman> i have photos from 2004 in a folder in a folder in a folder in a...
2017-01-27T19:48:08 < englishman> that takes like 0 space relative to recent bdrips
2017-01-27T19:48:44 < Rob235> well I have my macbook pro hard drive, htpc hard drive, and a hard drive connected to my router
2017-01-27T19:49:40 < Rob235> I do everything from my mbp but most everything is stored on one of the other drives
2017-01-27T19:56:33 < englishman> imgur down again, right on schedule
2017-01-27T19:56:53 < zyp> works for me
2017-01-27T20:04:08 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2017-01-27T20:06:07 < englishman> i just wanted to tweet this to R2COM https://i.imgur.com/bwBHLrc.png
2017-01-27T20:09:03 < Thorn> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0pFAqTEU8A
2017-01-27T20:11:02 < englishman> are they bidding on the women
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2017-01-27T20:13:37 < Laurenceb> left obviously
2017-01-27T20:15:02 < PaulFertser> They're fundraising for this lynx it seems.
2017-01-27T20:15:07 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/168289c1aac0e7f564aa83eff1e9b0278c8cad400380c35f39745ff5dd1086db.jpg
2017-01-27T20:15:15 < Laurenceb> destroy Russia
2017-01-27T20:16:26 < englishman> PaulFertser: yeah, but which woman are we bidding on? or is it for all of em?
2017-01-27T20:16:42 < englishman> 12,500 rub = ~$200
2017-01-27T20:16:43 < englishman> not bad
2017-01-27T20:16:44 < Laurenceb> I'll buy the one on the left, they can keep the others
2017-01-27T20:16:49 < englishman> il split with you
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2017-01-27T20:17:19 < englishman> i want that bobcat to live the best life ever, so i'm willing to overpay for those girls
2017-01-27T20:20:11 < emeb> that is a big cat
2017-01-27T20:23:25 < Laurenceb> grab them by the pussy
2017-01-27T20:25:09 < englishman> what does "1ppm digital calibration" mean wrt. stm32 RTC crystal
2017-01-27T20:25:18 < englishman> i can get better than 20ppm accuracy with a 20ppm crystal?
2017-01-27T20:25:38 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-01-27T20:25:47 < zyp> if you have a calibration source
2017-01-27T20:25:49 < englishman> what is it calibrated against?
2017-01-27T20:25:50 < englishman> yeah
2017-01-27T20:25:58 < Laurenceb> F1 RTC at least allows a 1PPM correction
2017-01-27T20:25:58 < zyp> it's 1ppm adjustment
2017-01-27T20:26:13 < Laurenceb> I calibrate against system time when dataloggers are connected via usb
2017-01-27T20:26:28 < englishman> really if i have internet access i should just ditch the whole rtc and ntp every few minutes
2017-01-27T20:26:41 < englishman> or use a 2ppm external i2c thing
2017-01-27T20:26:47 < englishman> if i have the power/space
2017-01-27T20:26:47 < zyp> seems like my RTC has drifted a second or two since yesterday
2017-01-27T20:26:53 < Laurenceb> I found some dataloggers that had been left for 18months and they were all less than 45seconds out
2017-01-27T20:27:00 < zyp> but I'm not sure if I even have the divisor set right, I just left it at default
2017-01-27T20:27:04 < englishman> https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/design/tools/calculators/product-design/rtc.cfm
2017-01-27T20:27:41 < Laurenceb> Error (ppm) = -0.042(25 - OperTemp)²
2017-01-27T20:27:45 < englishman> ^ that pretty much sells me on their all in one rtc/tcxo/i2c thing
2017-01-27T20:27:47 < Laurenceb> holy oversimplification batman
2017-01-27T20:28:01 < Laurenceb> also why would you use maxim rtc
2017-01-27T20:28:09 < Laurenceb> its literally pointless
2017-01-27T20:28:18 < englishman> why?
2017-01-27T20:28:19 < Laurenceb> even avr can take a 32khz xtal
2017-01-27T20:28:32 < englishman> because it's 10x the precision
2017-01-27T20:28:36 < englishman> and they are cheap
2017-01-27T20:28:36 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-01-27T20:28:45 < englishman> >Accuracy ±2ppm from 0°C to +40°C
2017-01-27T20:28:48 < Laurenceb> > maxim  >cheap
2017-01-27T20:29:11 < Laurenceb> half decent xtal is that accurate after offset calibration
2017-01-27T20:29:22 < englishman> yeah but calibrated against what?
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2017-01-27T20:29:26 < Laurenceb> I have autocalibration built into dataloggers
2017-01-27T20:29:30 < Laurenceb> against system time
2017-01-27T20:30:07 < englishman> so against a 20ppm HSE?
2017-01-27T20:30:25 < Laurenceb> sorry - PC system time
2017-01-27T20:30:36 < Laurenceb> when the logger is connected via usb
2017-01-27T20:30:52 < englishman> right so not this ST RTC calibration
2017-01-27T20:30:56 < englishman> but a completely different layer
2017-01-27T20:31:02 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-01-27T20:31:04 < englishman> and per-unit
2017-01-27T20:31:17 < Laurenceb> yup, I use a BBRAM register
2017-01-27T20:31:43 < englishman> DS3231 from china is about the same price as a decent xtal...
2017-01-27T20:31:50 < Laurenceb>  > from china
2017-01-27T20:32:18 < englishman> where do you think il be gettign the xtal from
2017-01-27T20:32:32 < Laurenceb> mouser, digikey, somewhere sensible
2017-01-27T20:32:52 < englishman> not even you could afford that, after brexit
2017-01-27T20:35:36 < englishman> what is the accuracy of a pc system clock?
2017-01-27T20:35:52 < englishman> 20ppm xtal?
2017-01-27T20:36:12 < Laurenceb> ntpd
2017-01-27T20:36:26 < Laurenceb> which works crazy well
2017-01-27T20:37:06 < englishman> so, atomic clock + network jitter
2017-01-27T20:37:15 < englishman> over a long time period == atomic clock only
2017-01-27T20:37:27 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-01-27T20:37:47 < englishman> ok cool
2017-01-27T20:38:02 < englishman> so really i should use rtc for short power off events
2017-01-27T20:38:11 < englishman> and use ntp for precision
2017-01-27T20:38:20 < Laurenceb> depends what you are trying to do
2017-01-27T20:38:38  * Laurenceb has been working on ntpd based reverse gps
2017-01-27T20:38:47 < Laurenceb> stretching ntpd to the limit
2017-01-27T20:39:01 < Laurenceb> but for dataloggers I only need +-10s or so
2017-01-27T20:39:31 < englishman> just want ~100ms precision between a) actual clock clock and b) multiple devices without communication between devices, over a ~long period of time
2017-01-27T20:39:51 < Laurenceb> hmm that could be a bit tricky
2017-01-27T20:39:59 < Laurenceb> like months or years?
2017-01-27T20:40:05 < englishman> say 1 year, yeah
2017-01-27T20:40:08 < Laurenceb> eek
2017-01-27T20:40:17 < Laurenceb> thats hard without a radio link
2017-01-27T20:40:18 < englishman> yeah so rtc is pretty much out
2017-01-27T20:41:16 < Laurenceb> well F1 rtc is 1s accuracy anyway
2017-01-27T20:42:11 < Laurenceb> tho theres hack to sync a timer to the alarm
2017-01-27T20:42:38 < zyp> 100ms in a year is 3ppb
2017-01-27T20:42:43 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-01-27T20:42:51 < englishman> sure, but if each device has access to ntp
2017-01-27T20:42:59 < Laurenceb> then its trivial
2017-01-27T20:43:02 < englishman> right
2017-01-27T20:43:03 < zyp> oh, yeah
2017-01-27T20:43:16 < englishman> network lag should be well under 100ms
2017-01-27T20:43:24 < Laurenceb> my ntpd estimated error is down to <100µs most of the time
2017-01-27T20:43:58 < Laurenceb> ntpd models network lag very well and can get about 2 orders of magnitude lower error than the network lag
2017-01-27T20:44:15 < Laurenceb> network lag is 15ms here
2017-01-27T20:44:55 < englishman> ok
2017-01-27T20:45:26 < Laurenceb> so its 3 orders of magnitude better than you want :P
2017-01-27T20:45:42 < englishman> underpromise, overdeliver
2017-01-27T20:46:43 < Laurenceb> Leo has estimated error of femtoseconds, but thats just showing off
2017-01-27T20:47:51 < Laurenceb>  - macbook with atomic clock input soldered to motherboard, then LAN with atomic clock based ntp server
2017-01-27T20:48:37 < Laurenceb> used for benchmarking https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=92
2017-01-27T20:50:47 < englishman> google.com where to buy atomic clock
2017-01-27T20:50:52 < Laurenceb> ebay
2017-01-27T20:51:32 < Laurenceb> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10mhz-rubidium-oscillator-elecspn-XHTF1003H-2009-year-made-/291767905355
2017-01-27T20:51:52 < englishman> i could technically receive WWV by listening carefully to a gpio
2017-01-27T20:52:14 < Laurenceb> hmm good idea
2017-01-27T20:52:24 < Laurenceb> there are time station modules available
2017-01-27T20:52:32 < Laurenceb> or stm32 firmware to do it would be v cool
2017-01-27T20:52:51 < gxti> "cheap" Rb is plentiful but you never know exactly what you're going to get with those
2017-01-27T20:52:59 < englishman> WWVB is 60kHz
2017-01-27T20:53:07 < Laurenceb> gxti: always better than tcxo
2017-01-27T20:53:17 < gxti> i mean in terms of interfacing to it
2017-01-27T20:53:25 < Laurenceb> englishman: problem with time stations is range and country dependence
2017-01-27T20:53:44 < gxti> sometimes it's 10mhz out, sometimes it's something else, sometimes it's pps only or even 2pps only
2017-01-27T20:53:48 < Laurenceb> guess its not a problem if you have a specific application in mind rather than some product
2017-01-27T20:53:58 < englishman> yea
2017-01-27T20:54:22 < gxti> sometimes it runs on 12v, sometimes 24
2017-01-27T20:54:22 < Laurenceb> my dataloggers are all used in Western europe and could run off German time station
2017-01-27T20:54:24 < BrainDamage> well, there's pretty decent coverage around the world for VLF time signal
2017-01-27T20:54:43 < BrainDamage> you could make a receiver for WWVB, DCF77, etc
2017-01-27T20:54:52 < Laurenceb> hmm yeah
2017-01-27T20:54:52 < BrainDamage> japan has one as well
2017-01-27T20:54:57 < Laurenceb> but no VLF indoors
2017-01-27T20:55:06 < Laurenceb> and you need a half decent antenna 
2017-01-27T20:55:15 < BrainDamage> I know it's andotal, but I do receive DCF77 indoors
2017-01-27T20:55:21 < Laurenceb> or at least that was the case when I've made receivers
2017-01-27T20:55:24 < Laurenceb> maybe I just suck
2017-01-27T20:55:26 < gxti> it depends a lot on how much EMI you have and how far indoors
2017-01-27T20:55:30 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-01-27T20:55:44 < englishman> 77.5kHz is basically EMI anyway
2017-01-27T20:55:53 < BrainDamage> also how far, I'm 300-400km from the tx
2017-01-27T20:56:02 < Laurenceb> wait wut
2017-01-27T20:56:08 < Laurenceb> DCF isnt VLF
2017-01-27T20:56:21 < Laurenceb> I was thinking of ~100hz or so
2017-01-27T20:56:39 < Laurenceb> yeah DCF might work indoors quite well with ferrite
2017-01-27T20:56:55 < gxti> VLF is 3-30khz technically speaking
2017-01-27T20:56:57 < BrainDamage> 100Hz isn't vlf either :p
2017-01-27T20:57:11 < englishman> those ITU bastards
2017-01-27T20:57:57 < Laurenceb> http://www.vlf.it/zevs/zevs.htm
2017-01-27T20:58:02 < Laurenceb> I've received that before
2017-01-27T20:58:19 < Laurenceb> using ~10cm diameter alu foil antenna
2017-01-27T20:58:53 < gxti> apparently it goes 3hz ELF 30hz SLF 300hz ULF 3khz VLF 30khz LF and so on... although i've never seen SLF or ULF before, most probably call anything below 3khz ELF and anything below 100khz or so VLF
2017-01-27T20:59:18 < Laurenceb> http://www.vlf.it/zevs/image014.jpg
2017-01-27T20:59:26 < englishman> my age is below 50 therefore i will not be receiving anything <1GHz
2017-01-27T20:59:42 < gxti> i hear if you protest ELF they point HAARP at your house as punishment
2017-01-27T21:00:00 < BrainDamage> englishman: your phone doesnt' count? :p
2017-01-27T21:00:22 < englishman> hmm
2017-01-27T21:00:26 < englishman> dont think so :)
2017-01-27T21:00:28 < Laurenceb> I'd imagine ULF to LF might work with a small ferrite coil receiver
2017-01-27T21:00:44 < gxti> that's what WWVB receivers typically use, yes
2017-01-27T21:00:47 < Laurenceb> I used E field receiver for ZEVS
2017-01-27T21:02:21 < Laurenceb> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Low_cost_DCF77_receiver.jpg
2017-01-27T21:02:36 < Laurenceb> problem solved (if you live in europe)
2017-01-27T21:02:51 < Laurenceb> wonder what the Q of the ferrite rod is
2017-01-27T21:03:45 < Laurenceb> looks like >1k for that sort of stuff, so SDR would be a pain
2017-01-27T21:06:47 < Laurenceb> we need a low tan delta digitally trimmed capacitor already
2017-01-27T21:09:12 < englishman> altidumb 17 changed the pnp output format
2017-01-27T21:09:27 < gxti> pff, just strap a servo to an air variable cap
2017-01-27T21:09:34 < Laurenceb> lulz
2017-01-27T21:10:28 < BrainDamage> hams literally do that
2017-01-27T21:11:01 < gxti> i haven't seen too many motorized caps. usually auto tuners are a shitheap of relays instead.
2017-01-27T21:11:29 < Laurenceb> I tried playing with ton of fets and caps in spice
2017-01-27T21:11:36 < Laurenceb> but it always had too low Q
2017-01-27T21:12:41 < BrainDamage> mmm, looks like you need to span from 25kHz to 100 to get enough time signals to be around the world
2017-01-27T21:12:57 < BrainDamage> altoug I can't find sources for south america or africa
2017-01-27T21:13:16 < BrainDamage> ah, there's argentina at 5MHz
2017-01-27T21:14:03 < BrainDamage> a wideband receiver is going to have dyn range problems from smps
2017-01-27T21:14:24 < Laurenceb> yeah it would need a tuning cap
2017-01-27T21:19:01 < englishman> fucking ucocks
2017-01-27T21:19:01 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/FnBBjdb.jpg
2017-01-27T21:19:04 < englishman> order $3k of shit
2017-01-27T21:19:05 < englishman> send me this
2017-01-27T21:19:17 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-01-27T21:19:57 < Laurenceb> precision timing?
2017-01-27T21:20:59 < Laurenceb> do you need to use pick and place?
2017-01-27T21:21:46 < englishman> i dont even have a feeder that wide
2017-01-27T21:22:33 < BrainDamage> spotted englishman's talking on the phone: https://m0ukd.com/static/calculators/antenna_loading_coil/160m_vert.jpg
2017-01-27T21:23:01 < englishman> mount it to the back of a volvo and yes, accurate
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2017-01-27T22:08:43 < Thorn> what is Jammed Dwell Ratio
2017-01-27T22:14:33 < upgrdman> how do i steal footprints of an altidongs schematic?
2017-01-27T22:14:44 < upgrdman> there was a make pcb lib thing somewhere
2017-01-27T22:14:46 < ReadError> theres a make library
2017-01-27T22:14:50 < ReadError> from pcb
2017-01-27T22:15:03 < ReadError> believe its under tools, not in a sub menu but the main
2017-01-27T22:15:20 < ReadError> or design
2017-01-27T22:20:01 < upgrdman> oh ya from pcb
2017-01-27T22:20:07 < upgrdman> i was trying with schematic open
2017-01-27T22:20:08 < upgrdman> thx
2017-01-27T22:21:42 < ReadError> np hun
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2017-01-27T22:51:04 < ReadError> https://i.imgur.com/ypwQbk1.jpg
2017-01-27T23:19:32 < kakimir> how do I get high accuracy realtime timestamps to computer?
2017-01-27T23:20:42 < upgrdman> kakimir, a GPS?
2017-01-27T23:20:55 < kakimir> via usb?
2017-01-27T23:21:32 < kakimir> it doesn't have to be just high accuracy source
2017-01-27T23:21:52 < upgrdman> kakimir, gps -> stm32 -> usb port ?
2017-01-27T23:22:12 < kakimir> is usb jitter low enough?
2017-01-27T23:22:15 < Thorn> how do you account for latency in that chain
2017-01-27T23:22:48 < kakimir> I would actually use some sync via rs232 prob
2017-01-27T23:22:49 < upgrdman> ive never done it, but uh, would research how ntp does it with all of the internet latency
2017-01-27T23:23:10 < kakimir> rs232 interrupt is like real
2017-01-27T23:25:42 < kakimir> I don't know how low latency interrupt you get with usb
2017-01-27T23:25:56 < kakimir> and how much there is overhead before getting to business
2017-01-27T23:29:34 < ReadError> para port?
2017-01-27T23:30:07 < kakimir> not usually available
2017-01-27T23:30:20 < ReadError> yea neither is the need for such accuracy ^.^
2017-01-27T23:30:32 < ReadError> sounds like an asspie project
2017-01-27T23:36:03 < kakimir> ethernet
2017-01-27T23:43:15 < kakimir> *gigabit
2017-01-27T23:44:01 < upgrdman> well someone in here made a gps pc clock a while ago. might ask them how they did it. think it was zyp or jpa or emeb.
2017-01-27T23:44:08 < kakimir> is there usually oscillators in computer you could anyhow sync?
2017-01-27T23:44:20 < kakimir> on motherboard accessable
2017-01-27T23:44:24 < upgrdman> or maybe they didnt care about sub-second accuracy
2017-01-27T23:44:27 < ReadError> this is getting fairly autistic 
2017-01-27T23:44:31 < ReadError> fairly quickly 
2017-01-27T23:44:40 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-01-27T23:44:49 < kakimir> it's not serious quastion but I need to know
2017-01-27T23:45:07 < upgrdman> kakimir, like i said earlier, look into how NTP works around that problem
2017-01-27T23:45:38 < BrainDamage> define high accuracy
2017-01-27T23:45:55 < BrainDamage> kakimir: why do you always ask generic questions
2017-01-27T23:45:56 < upgrdman> muh picoseconds bruh
2017-01-27T23:46:07 < BrainDamage> this is engineering, you need fucking numbers
2017-01-27T23:46:32 < BrainDamage> if you make your questions generic, even hydrogen masers at nist would be "too little"
2017-01-27T23:46:51 < BrainDamage> then it turns out a pendulum swinging out of an horse's ass would suffice
2017-01-27T23:47:05 < upgrdman> that'd be kinda sweet
2017-01-27T23:47:09 < upgrdman> ass pendulums
2017-01-27T23:47:11 < englishman> laurelai?
2017-01-27T23:47:15 < englishman> that gps ntp server
2017-01-27T23:48:00 < kakimir> high accuracy only local gps synced oscillator can archive
2017-01-27T23:48:06 < KreAture_Zzz> wtf Tricky situation
2017-01-27T23:48:10 < BrainDamage> HOW MUCH IS HIGH
2017-01-27T23:48:29 < KreAture_Zzz> a guy and TI published an appnote on what I'd like to do for a customer.  I thought great, backing that my idea will work...
2017-01-27T23:48:30 < englishman> laureline
2017-01-27T23:48:34 < englishman> https://github.com/mtharp/laureline-firmware
2017-01-27T23:48:40 < kakimir> is there like high accuracy version of NTP
2017-01-27T23:48:42 < KreAture_Zzz> Then it turns out the guy for TI has patented the shit
2017-01-27T23:48:56 < KreAture_Zzz> but the appnote came out over a year before patent
2017-01-27T23:48:58 < BrainDamage> maybe I should just put beakmir on ignore
2017-01-27T23:49:01 < KreAture_Zzz> growl
2017-01-27T23:50:27 < emeb> wasn't me who made a GPS clock
2017-01-27T23:52:32 < kakimir> BrainDamage: you are easily provoked
2017-01-27T23:55:50 < BrainDamage> ah the good old internet cliché "if your internet-persona gets apparently emotional you lose"
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2017-01-27T23:59:02 < emeb> lol - ordered some R820T2 tuner chips from sketchy aliexpress vendor.
2017-01-27T23:59:30 < emeb> parts arrive nicely packed in an anti-static tray that's been cut down from a larger tray.
2017-01-27T23:59:42 < emeb> to hold parts on tray they used... Saran Wrap.
2017-01-27T23:59:53 < emeb> which clings due to static electricity.
2017-01-27T23:59:55 < BrainDamage> nope, I just used caps because I consider it the best way to communicate with you, shouts and threats
2017-01-27T23:59:55 < emeb> derp
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2017-01-28T00:00:35 < kakimir> what emeb is doing?
2017-01-28T00:01:57 < emeb> playing with some SDR stuff
2017-01-28T00:04:15  * KreAture_Zzz sends a bitch&moan mail to the patent filers
2017-01-28T00:13:16 < upgrdman> hmmm. even state-of-the-art video cards only support max texture size of 16K*16K. kinda surprised since 5K monitors have been a thing for a while now.
2017-01-28T00:14:00 < KreAture_Zzz> hmm
2017-01-28T00:14:06 < KreAture_Zzz> stm32 and dma again...
2017-01-28T00:14:10 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_
2017-01-28T00:14:45 < KreAture_> I wonder if I can set up my dma to transfer to memory from adc, and set up another dma to log those data into a long buffer
2017-01-28T00:14:51 < KreAture_> I think it can work :)
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2017-01-28T00:15:27 < KreAture_> but can I get it to increment and wrap source address, while counting total targets ?
2017-01-28T00:16:14 < KreAture_> 7 adc channels into a 7x32 bit buffer and also have a copy to a 256x7x32 area...
2017-01-28T00:16:19 < KreAture_> would be nice
2017-01-28T00:22:09 < emeb> why not directly from ADC into long buffer?
2017-01-28T00:22:12 < emeb> why 2 steps?
2017-01-28T00:23:20 < emeb> I often do multiple channels into a long buffer with many sets. When complete the DMA ISR processes the whole thing at once.
2017-01-28T00:23:26 < ohsix> emeb: heh i was on a website that mentioned a jeff dude had NOS of that music/microprocessors book, same person?
2017-01-28T00:23:50 < emeb> ohsix: yes Jef something or other. email address is "brightboy"
2017-01-28T00:23:59 < ohsix> neat
2017-01-28T00:24:11 < ohsix> i'll keep that in mind, price doesn't seem to go below that anyways
2017-01-28T00:24:26 < emeb> I bought my copy from him. Quick service & book in excellent condition.
2017-01-28T00:24:45 < emeb> He's been selling them like that for years. Must have a warehouse full.
2017-01-28T00:24:54 < ohsix> i'm supposed to be putting test points on some prototype thing. found out what it is this morning, it's a server with a cpld already in it, guy needs to finish the firmware or something, they just put it in the final design and he needs one modified so he can actually do it
2017-01-28T00:25:07 < ohsix> emeb: yea he might be why they don't go under 50 :p
2017-01-28T00:25:17 < ohsix> even if he had like 300 of them, that could take a while
2017-01-28T00:25:41 < ohsix> the library at noisebridge is sweet
2017-01-28T00:25:49 < ohsix> i spent most of my visit time looking through stuff
2017-01-28T00:26:33 < ohsix> https://library.noisebridge.net/index/1/ https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Resources/Library it's about 500 books, amounts to a small corner, but it's all aggregated from nerds in silicon valley
2017-01-28T00:38:02 < ohsix> still waiting, guh; need to find something i can work on in these gaps
2017-01-28T00:38:24 < kakimir> emeb: what you plan to connect those to?
2017-01-28T00:40:35 < emeb> kakimir: a bunch of stuff - just 50 ohm IF output for now. May hook up directly to an ADC at some point.
2017-01-28T00:42:13 < kakimir> certainly you have some goal if you stackpile them?
2017-01-28T00:42:51 < emeb> 10 pcs is hardly a stockpile. That cost me ~$25.
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2017-01-28T00:47:35 < inca> heyo
2017-01-28T00:47:54 < inca> anyone played with UART DMA TX in Normal mode?
2017-01-28T00:48:40 < inca> I can get it to send once... then not again. Circular mode repeats, though I have not figured out how to stop once the data is sent.
2017-01-28T00:55:12 < zyp> that doesn't make sense, unless you've set NDTR to 1
2017-01-28T00:58:04 < inca> ahhh... got it
2017-01-28T00:58:54 < inca> CubeMX, forgot to check the "enable global interrupt" for usart, which is what clears the state and whatnot
2017-01-28T01:02:41 < KreAture_> emeb there is code that needs the last value at any time and reads em from the memory region
2017-01-28T01:03:02 < KreAture_> emeb rtos thread accesses the "live" values
2017-01-28T01:03:35 < KreAture_> emeb but another thread needs access to very high resolution data for looking back on the data finding some hf signals
2017-01-28T01:04:04 < KreAture_> since the thread accessing the live buffer does not do so at a fixed rate, it is hard to record the data with that
2017-01-28T01:04:20 < KreAture_> also the tick intervall of the rtos is way too low vs the 300ksps data I need
2017-01-28T01:04:28 < ohsix> hm
2017-01-28T01:04:30 < ohsix> got the server
2017-01-28T01:04:35 < ohsix> it's neat, from hyve
2017-01-28T01:04:47 < ohsix> bbl this is real work lol :( can't irc
2017-01-28T01:04:58 < emeb> KreAture_: sounds fun.
2017-01-28T01:05:08 < emeb> wonder if you could have one long buffer
2017-01-28T01:05:11 < KreAture_> emeb it is actually kinda cool
2017-01-28T01:05:28 < emeb> and the routine that needs the immediate data uses the current DMA ptr to figure out where to read
2017-01-28T01:05:43 < KreAture_> could possibly use dma ptr yes
2017-01-28T01:05:50 < KreAture_> but the long buffer is not looped
2017-01-28T01:06:03 < KreAture_> it is a one time capture triggered by the other threads decision to activate some stuff
2017-01-28T01:06:39 < emeb> aha
2017-01-28T01:07:09 < emeb> trick will be how to trigger it
2017-01-28T01:07:21 < KreAture_> I need to see what happens when the stuff is activated, and the stuff happens on a high frequency timeline so in order to look at it data is captured for 5ms at 50k to 300k rate
2017-01-28T01:07:27 < KreAture_> yup
2017-01-28T01:07:37 < KreAture_> I may not need more than two samples though
2017-01-28T01:07:45 < KreAture_> and that can be 2x 16 bit
2017-01-28T01:08:04 < KreAture_> so maybe the other trigger could grab two adjecent channels if they are transfered from adc to mem as 2x16 bit
2017-01-28T01:08:19 < KreAture_> but then they are not dma or interrupt safe anymore as they are multi-cycle access
2017-01-28T01:08:33 < KreAture_> if stored as 32 bit on stm32 you can access em directly and they will always be safe
2017-01-28T01:08:47 < KreAture_> pack 2x 16 in there and that doesn't work :(
2017-01-28T01:08:59 < KreAture_> Hmm
2017-01-28T01:09:12 < KreAture_> But I can do a transfer from the dma by two dmas I think
2017-01-28T01:09:26 < KreAture_> same sample copied to two diff locations ?
2017-01-28T01:09:52 < KreAture_> That'd work as then the second would just do nchan*samples number of transfers
2017-01-28T01:10:11 < KreAture_> synch the start to sequence complete from adc parhaps to get the samples in order
2017-01-28T01:10:50 < KreAture_> a busy wait synch would work too
2017-01-28T01:11:00 < KreAture_> have to look into that on monday
2017-01-28T01:11:08 < KreAture_> would be sweet if I can do it like that though
2017-01-28T02:02:20 < dongs> emeb: lol yeah thats standard china shipping
2017-01-28T02:02:25 < dongs> no fucking idea why they use saran wrap
2017-01-28T02:02:32 < dongs> zyp's STM32F427's arrived same way
2017-01-28T02:02:43 < dongs> half tray wrapped
2017-01-28T02:05:11 < dongs> dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs, the o6 autism synthesizer LIVE [link here]
2017-01-28T02:05:16 < zyp> seems like they use it a lot
2017-01-28T02:05:39 < zyp> those XH cables also came in bundles held together by saran wrap
2017-01-28T02:06:17 < zyp> I assume it's convenient because unlike tape it doesn't leave glue, so they have rolls of it everywhere for wrapping anything, and then wrapping trays starts to make sense too
2017-01-28T02:07:13 < dongs> speaking of cunts lets see if CDI shipped my shit
2017-01-28T02:07:14 < dongs> nope
2017-01-28T02:07:14 < dongs> hmm
2017-01-28T02:07:39 < dongs> oh tehy did, and didnt bother emailing me about it
2017-01-28T02:07:42 < dongs> classy service
2017-01-28T02:08:18 < dongs> donno how the can stay in business.  their checkout process is terrible
2017-01-28T02:08:56 < dongs> <GGuy> I can't use a Linux desktop because I feel the need to fix shit because I can
2017-01-28T02:09:17 < dongs> <GGuy> At least in macOS I can just ignore the bugs because what can I do?
2017-01-28T02:09:22 < dongs> true fag talking
2017-01-28T02:09:35 < zyp> haha
2017-01-28T02:10:33 < dongs> https://www.opticaldiskdriveantitrust.com/#two 12cents coming for ohsix
2017-01-28T02:11:25 < zyp> wait, wat
2017-01-28T02:11:53 < dongs> zyp, some americunts sued, 124mil was received, will be split between everyone who applies
2017-01-28T02:12:10 < zyp> I need to read this
2017-01-28T02:13:13 < zyp> ah, price fixing stuff
2017-01-28T02:15:48 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yeah, that's obvious, I were just curious about the rationale
2017-01-28T02:16:33 < zyp> haha, no
2017-01-28T02:20:55 < zyp> hmm, I think I bought three ODDs during that period though :p
2017-01-28T02:21:22 < zyp> one separate and two in complete computers
2017-01-28T02:22:56 < fenugrec> whoa when did the st forums change ? I remembered the layout as "mildly offensive", now this is something else
2017-01-28T02:26:33 < upgrdman> link for teh lazy?
2017-01-28T02:26:50 < zyp> upgrdman, google.com
2017-01-28T02:27:02 < upgrdman> direct link for teh lazy?
2017-01-28T02:27:18 < zyp> google.com?q=st%20forums
2017-01-28T02:28:00 < fenugrec> https://community.st.com/community/stm32-community/stm32-forum
2017-01-28T02:28:16 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/7NuQPwu.jpg
2017-01-28T02:28:20 < englishman> arrow is only slightly better
2017-01-28T02:28:44 < upgrdman> aweful forums
2017-01-28T02:28:52 < upgrdman> awful even
2017-01-28T02:29:03 < dongs> englishman: thats how I got zyp's ethernet phys from mouser
2017-01-28T02:29:18 < englishman> whats worse is this was a cut tape part number
2017-01-28T02:29:20 < dongs> at least they were all oriented wiht pin1 correct way
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2017-01-28T02:29:49 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/42M3cXU.jpg
2017-01-28T02:29:52 < englishman> dongs did ytou see what ucocks sent me
2017-01-28T02:30:08 < dongs> no, what is it
2017-01-28T02:30:11 < dongs> retweet
2017-01-28T02:30:15 < englishman> i ordered cut tape
2017-01-28T02:30:16 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/FnBBjdb.jpg
2017-01-28T02:30:24 < zyp> dongs, how did the phys arrive last time? tape?
2017-01-28T02:30:25 < dongs> oo yeah
2017-01-28T02:30:31 < dongs> zyp: hm i dont remember
2017-01-28T02:30:44 < dongs> might have been
2017-01-28T02:30:45 < upgrdman> well they DID cut the tape
2017-01-28T02:30:47 < zyp> I don't remember you mentioning anything then at least
2017-01-28T02:31:05 < englishman> guess i dont need to buy that 44mm feeder
2017-01-28T02:31:08 < Laurenceb_> englishman: what are you building?
2017-01-28T02:31:10 < upgrdman> at least they cut along the width and not the length
2017-01-28T02:31:10 < dongs> M8T? are you cloning ntp timeservers?
2017-01-28T02:31:27 < englishman> dickstareter
2017-01-28T02:31:33 < dongs> lol
2017-01-28T02:31:38 < Laurenceb_> lul Leo is dead
2017-01-28T02:31:43 < Laurenceb_> no moar business
2017-01-28T02:31:51 < dongs> leo boner
2017-01-28T02:32:13 < Laurenceb_> he sold some upgraded ones to HFT guys for megabux
2017-01-28T02:32:22 < englishman> lol
2017-01-28T02:32:24 < englishman> nice
2017-01-28T02:32:27 < zyp> dongs, hmm, looks like they have a different product listing with a -TR in the partno
2017-01-28T02:33:24 < zyp> that specifies cut tape, other listing doesn't specify packaging
2017-01-28T02:33:39 < dongs> I have a board with obviously some mistakes because its not properly running. Power control issues exists on board. About 12 Capacitors and Resistors need change or remove. 3 layer pcb, almost 7x5 cm. Freelancer must have experience in designing STM32 and sim900.
2017-01-28T02:33:43 < zyp> I'll remember to check that next time I grab shit from mouser
2017-01-28T02:33:45 < dongs> budget: 30 eur
2017-01-28T02:33:54 < dongs> (hes wondering why it isnt working)
2017-01-28T02:33:56 < englishman> 3 layer is expensive
2017-01-28T02:34:04 < zyp> haha, 3 layer
2017-01-28T02:34:11 < dongs> how does 3 layer work
2017-01-28T02:34:30 < zyp> guess you can do 4 with a layer empty? :p
2017-01-28T02:34:32 < BrainDamage>  you sand out one face out of a 4  layer pcb
2017-01-28T02:34:33 < englishman> 1 sided + 2 internal planes
2017-01-28T02:35:08 < zyp> LeelooMinai, bullshit
2017-01-28T02:35:47 < Laurenceb_> englishman: you making NTP or something?
2017-01-28T02:36:00 < englishman> no
2017-01-28T02:36:05 < englishman> thats different
2017-01-28T02:36:55 < dongs> the onyl reason one would get T-series jewblox
2017-01-28T02:36:58 < dongs> is for timing
2017-01-28T02:37:09 < Laurenceb_> I dont get it
2017-01-28T02:37:15 < Laurenceb_> its not even anything special
2017-01-28T02:37:30 < Laurenceb_> it does do carrier phase, but aiui there are firmware hacks to get that on lesser ublox
2017-01-28T02:37:52 < Laurenceb_> its just blatant market differentiation imo
2017-01-28T02:38:11 < zyp> and?
2017-01-28T02:38:26 < zyp> is -T even different apart from firmware?
2017-01-28T02:38:32 < Laurenceb_> who knows
2017-01-28T02:38:55 < Laurenceb_> I'd do a teardown if I could be bothered
2017-01-28T02:40:16 < englishman> Laurenceb_: i mean, that ntp thing earlier is different proj
2017-01-28T02:40:16 < dongs> that paki who wants 30 eur fix of pcb top skills list is php, java, script install
2017-01-28T02:40:33 < Laurenceb_> sudo make install
2017-01-28T02:40:41 < Laurenceb_> muh skillz
2017-01-28T02:41:02 < englishman> it must have something, because -T is a lot more $ than regularshit
2017-01-28T02:41:58 < dongs> same reason you pay $500 for 16gb ram from apple
2017-01-28T02:42:12 < dongs> or $25 for same thing from ebay/china/newegg
2017-01-28T02:42:14 < Laurenceb_> yeah
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2017-01-28T02:55:16 < dongs> Loot Crate is offering their Loot Crate for a low $16.95 after $3 New User Coupon Code: "LOOTR15" (Ongoing). Estimated value is $40+. Shipping is Included. This month's theme is Origins. Features Power Rangers and Batman.
2017-01-28T02:55:26 < dongs> o6 saves!!
2017-01-28T02:56:25 < aandrew> loot crate looks like having someone grab a few things from the dollar store and ship them to you for a premium
2017-01-28T02:56:41 < dongs> gotta make money somehow
2017-01-28T02:56:53 < aandrew> yeah, by selling useless shit to hipsters
2017-01-28T02:58:00 < englishman> america's largest industry
2017-01-28T02:58:35 < upgrdman> i wonder if loot just drop ships shit from some china factory
2017-01-28T03:00:13 < Thorn> launch in 4 min http://www.arianespace.com/mission/ariane-flight-vs16/
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2017-01-28T03:00:27 < dongs> aryan space
2017-01-28T03:03:35 < dongs> lol that narrator
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2017-01-28T03:04:52 < dongs> thats a pretty lowtech launch, where's all the overlayed telemeretry
2017-01-28T03:06:41 < zyp> there it is
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2017-01-28T03:30:58 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/01/27/2037250/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-joins-president-trumps-new-manufacturing-council
2017-01-28T03:31:00 < Thorn> 'https://www.youtube.com/user/TheSignalPathBlog/videos is alive
2017-01-28T03:31:07 < Laurenceb_> WHERE IS YOUR MUSK NOW
2017-01-28T03:31:54 < upgrdman> wish TSP would go 4K
2017-01-28T03:32:00 < upgrdman> his content is A+
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2017-01-28T03:37:19 < Laurenceb_> great, great, hyperloop
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2017-01-28T03:39:41 < Laurenceb_> https://www.u-blox.com/en/product/zoe-m8g-module
2017-01-28T03:40:37 < Laurenceb_> no RTC, doh
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2017-01-28T03:52:01 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10173083&cid=53752641
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2017-01-28T03:59:09 < Laurenceb_> Musk wants to plant his virile seed on Mars. Musk wants to drill a tunnel so he can commute without looking at common people. Musk wants to jailbreak out of the simulation running the universe so he can have more power than god. How much Musky cum have you swallowed?
2017-01-28T03:59:15 < Laurenceb_> dis gunna be good
2017-01-28T03:59:29  * Laurenceb_ saves to his copypasta folder
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2017-01-28T04:35:09 < englishman> good morning curt
2017-01-28T04:42:18 < englishman> very high quality
2017-01-28T04:42:58 < englishman> staring at the fishes
2017-01-28T04:53:33 < ReadError> the LERH preshow is on 
2017-01-28T05:02:10 < ReadError> crt: its preshow, audio book
2017-01-28T05:02:17 < ReadError> RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
2017-01-28T05:02:21 < ReadError> hes about to blow up trump
2017-01-28T05:02:42 < ReadError> ~10mins
2017-01-28T05:07:06 < aandrew> shhh don't wreck the trumpslide
2017-01-28T05:07:26 < aandrew> the trumpslide
2017-01-28T05:07:27 < englishman> aandrew: very pro stencils
2017-01-28T05:07:31 < englishman> but theyre so big!
2017-01-28T05:07:33 < englishman> too pro for me
2017-01-28T05:07:40 < aandrew> lol
2017-01-28T05:08:06 < aandrew> I guess the side of the "frame" on frameless stencils depends on your requirements 
2017-01-28T05:08:22 < englishman> i got framed
2017-01-28T05:08:32 < aandrew> don't you specify the size of the frame in that case?
2017-01-28T05:08:35 < englishman> but they're so big, the counterbalance is insufficient
2017-01-28T05:08:42 < englishman> yeah, but the smalest is 23x23"
2017-01-28T05:08:47 < aandrew> hm odd
2017-01-28T05:08:57 < aandrew> yes
2017-01-28T05:09:23 < aandrew> you need to match it to your process
2017-01-28T05:09:27 < englishman> still, super pro, fast turn, thin, no more problems with clogging on those .25 aperatures
2017-01-28T05:09:38 < aandrew> the assembly house near me has some specific frame 
2017-01-28T05:09:41 < aandrew> can't remember wtf they called it
2017-01-28T05:09:54 < aandrew> it fits in their paste machine, which isn't just a squeegee under pressure (which they also have)
2017-01-28T05:11:10 < englishman> yeah, this one had drilled + tapped holes in the frame
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2017-01-28T05:11:32 < englishman> well actually all 3
2017-01-28T05:11:37 < englishman> still dont have the bill yet either
2017-01-28T05:11:43 < aandrew> ugh this C#/mono shit is driving me nuts
2017-01-28T05:13:50 < emeb_mac> the original chest-burstee
2017-01-28T05:14:33 < aandrew> no
2017-01-28T05:14:44 < aandrew> it's a windows app I'm trying to run on mono
2017-01-28T05:14:58 < aandrew> it works but has lots of weird shit that doesn't quite work the same on mono
2017-01-28T05:20:56 < ReadError> englishman: can u post my ad
2017-01-28T05:21:12 < ReadError> im banned and cant reconnect right now 
2017-01-28T05:21:18 < englishman> pm me
2017-01-28T05:31:47 < aandrew> just finished watching Crossroads
2017-01-28T05:31:56 < aandrew> now I gotta queue up SRV's version of Little Wing
2017-01-28T05:33:25 < englishman> have you seen incendies
2017-01-28T05:35:19 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/LbMpram.jpg
2017-01-28T05:35:24 < englishman> pcbs and stencil made in canada
2017-01-28T05:35:42 < englishman> <-- keeping canadian jobs in canada
2017-01-28T05:38:02 < aandrew> there we go
2017-01-28T05:38:14 < aandrew> had to go through a lot of videos to fidn the one I have in my itunes library: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIbluW2EuGM
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2017-01-28T05:59:24 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/qlp87yp0tccy.png
2017-01-28T06:02:43 < aandrew> "can someone give me a hand?"
2017-01-28T06:03:05 < aandrew> this belongs here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1PkwWyD6Ks
2017-01-28T06:18:24 < Thorn> ho lee fuk https://youtu.be/VYwB2U1F54w?t=39s
2017-01-28T06:20:47 < Thorn> you think he doesn't have a green card?
2017-01-28T06:21:37 < upgrdman> so mobile cpus are weaker but draw much less power. but is a desktop or mobile cpu better *per watt*? e.g. mobile i7 is like 15W and desktop i7 is what, 95W? so is the desktop one 600% more performant?
2017-01-28T06:24:39 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ya im sure its not linear. but like if you need x TFLOPS of processing power, but plenty of space... would mobile or desktop cpu's cost you less in the long run (energy costs add up)
2017-01-28T06:29:35 < englishman> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/power_performance.html
2017-01-28T06:29:47 < englishman> if power were the largest cost, then sure
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2017-01-28T06:38:12 < ohsix> lol.
2017-01-28T06:38:18 < ohsix> the shit i did today was a pain in the ass
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2017-01-28T06:38:31 < ohsix> attached like 30 test points to some prototype server shit
2017-01-28T06:38:55 < ohsix> labelling the photoz and sneding invoice
2017-01-28T06:39:56 < upgrdman> englishman, wtf do those numbers mean. they list no units
2017-01-28T06:40:13 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/nZJU9Ft.jpg
2017-01-28T06:40:19 < englishman> did you read the text at the top?
2017-01-28T06:44:21 < kakimir> my cpu is in that chart
2017-01-28T06:45:20 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-01-28T06:45:34 < upgrdman> ya wonder how ARM cpus compare
2017-01-28T06:48:24 < upgrdman> ohsix, you need to step up your game   http://www.tayloredge.com/museum/mymuseum/electronics/deadbug.jpg
2017-01-28T06:48:37 < upgrdman> need moar wires on your board
2017-01-28T06:50:47 < englishman> whats that kind of wire called
2017-01-28T06:50:59 < englishman> with no actual sheating but isolation that melts
2017-01-28T06:51:05 < upgrdman> magnet wire
2017-01-28T06:51:08 < upgrdman> enameled wire
2017-01-28T06:51:21 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, it does melt
2017-01-28T06:51:27 < englishman> but dont you have to physically scrape off the enamel
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2017-01-28T06:51:35 < upgrdman> i can see it ball up on the tip of my iron
2017-01-28T06:51:42 < upgrdman> englishman, no
2017-01-28T06:52:02 < englishman> surely youve chopped up enough rc motors
2017-01-28T06:52:06 < englishman> is that a different type of wire
2017-01-28T06:52:10 < englishman> or just low quality chink shit
2017-01-28T06:52:11 < upgrdman> englishman, just a big solder blob on your iron tip... touch to end of wire and as it tins the wire it pushed/melts the enamel away
2017-01-28T06:52:29 < upgrdman> englishman, same thing
2017-01-28T06:52:33 < englishman> hm
2017-01-28T06:52:35 < englishman> never works for me
2017-01-28T06:52:39 < upgrdman> it's the wire used in motors, inductors, etc.
2017-01-28T06:52:40 < englishman> always makes a crap connection
2017-01-28T06:52:46 < upgrdman> englishman, hotter tip
2017-01-28T06:53:00 < englishman> ok
2017-01-28T06:53:02 < upgrdman> e.g. motor wire is thick and need moar watts
2017-01-28T06:53:08 < englishman> good source for this wire?
2017-01-28T06:53:20 < englishman> what gauge is the stuff in that pic
2017-01-28T06:53:21 < englishman> ?
2017-01-28T06:53:30 < upgrdman> but my hakko 888 with knob at like 1 o'clock position easily does 26awg and could certainly do thicker
2017-01-28T06:53:46 < upgrdman> looks 32awg ish in that photo
2017-01-28T06:53:50 < englishman> ok
2017-01-28T06:53:51 < englishman> thx
2017-01-28T06:53:54 < upgrdman> yup
2017-01-28T06:54:20 < englishman> how many 3W TDP cpus are you going to buy now
2017-01-28T06:54:48 < upgrdman> i use this philmore stuff   http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&cat=&query_string=magnet+wire
2017-01-28T06:54:52 < upgrdman> works perfect
2017-01-28T06:55:13 < upgrdman> looks like this: http://farrellf.com/temp/tesla_coil_revA.jpg
2017-01-28T06:55:54 < upgrdman> and this hideous hand wonder inductor i made  http://farrellf.com/temp/boost_converter_for_100w_led.jpg
2017-01-28T06:55:59 < englishman> ok so electroshop will have some
2017-01-28T06:56:04 < upgrdman> the one with thinner wires, not the ticker one. thicker on in factory.
2017-01-28T06:56:07 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-28T06:58:27 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, litz wire
2017-01-28T07:00:20 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, its super fucking easy
2017-01-28T07:00:23 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, https://youtu.be/RMdISh4urII?t=105
2017-01-28T07:00:46 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ya prolly left/right/gnd.
2017-01-28T07:01:57 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, yes but many are made to do it that way
2017-01-28T07:02:22 < upgrdman> only like industrial motors use higher-temp enamel
2017-01-28T07:02:49 < upgrdman> but inductors, speakers, RC motors... regular enamel. melts off with little effort
2017-01-28T07:04:45 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, what temp is your iron atr
2017-01-28T07:05:24 < upgrdman> ya 400C should be good enough
2017-01-28T07:05:47 < upgrdman> use a big blob of solder, and touch it to the END of the wire... the end with bare copper since you just cut it
2017-01-28T07:06:02 < upgrdman> dont try to just touch the blob to the side of the wire
2017-01-28T07:06:07 < upgrdman> it'll take forever that way
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2017-01-28T07:06:49 < upgrdman> crt, yes lots of pumping going on right now
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2017-01-28T07:08:53 < upgrdman> PENIS PUMPER
2017-01-28T07:09:05 < upgrdman> he's even showed photo with his background image of the pump
2017-01-28T07:09:21 < englishman> take these low quality chats to the lesser networks
2017-01-28T07:09:29 < upgrdman> lol k
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2017-01-28T07:15:53 < ohsix> 6 hours oof
2017-01-28T07:15:56 < ohsix> SUP
2017-01-28T07:16:10 < ohsix> gotta close up cuz everyone left but then i'll be home
2017-01-28T07:16:24 < ohsix> upgrdman: i got magnet wire in the mail that i think is finer than 30awg
2017-01-28T07:16:39 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-28T07:16:47 < upgrdman> that'll be a bitch to work with
2017-01-28T07:16:56 < upgrdman> 28awg already pisses me off
2017-01-28T07:16:58 < ohsix> i got some stuff to take apart for rework practice and shiz
2017-01-28T07:17:03 < ohsix> and fine tweezers
2017-01-28T07:17:21 < ohsix> some old amd cards, have tons of non-asic parts all over the boards, and bga memory
2017-01-28T07:17:24 < ohsix> bbl
2017-01-28T07:17:32 < upgrdman> k
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2017-01-28T08:03:45 < upgrdman> sprm32
2017-01-28T08:06:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, TMI
2017-01-28T08:08:24 < upgrdman> too much information
2017-01-28T08:08:31 < englishman> R2COM: https://i.imgur.com/bwBHLrc.png
2017-01-28T08:09:29 < ohsix> boners
2017-01-28T08:10:01 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul have you heat stripped magnet wire under a microscpoe
2017-01-28T08:10:08 < ohsix> it looks horrid as fook
2017-01-28T08:10:31 < upgrdman> ohsix, which pic
2017-01-28T08:10:44 < ohsix> eh i didn't post any of that
2017-01-28T08:10:44 < upgrdman> oh "have you"
2017-01-28T08:10:48 < ohsix> ya
2017-01-28T08:10:49 < upgrdman> no i havent
2017-01-28T08:10:51 < ohsix> ushood
2017-01-28T08:11:09 < ohsix> working under a microscope is kewl
2017-01-28T08:11:21 < ohsix> probably took twice as long today cuz i couldn't
2017-01-28T08:11:39 < ohsix> couldn't see that there were no bridges and shit, no schematic so i couldn't really check electrically
2017-01-28T08:12:45 < ohsix> i made a mistake too, tho
2017-01-28T08:12:54 < ohsix> i assumed the silk screened company logo would be a keep out area
2017-01-28T08:13:03 < ohsix> but it had stuff over it when the cards&cables were present
2017-01-28T08:15:11 < ohsix> this fine work shit is like, baby in a swimmingpool stuff. i'm doing alright but i literally just started doing it very recently, people aren't noticing though lul
2017-01-28T08:16:43 < ohsix> got to figure out how to adult, getting so many business cards from people that are doing cool stuff that i can't just ignore
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2017-01-28T08:36:57 < ohsix> sup 'crt', if that even is your real name
2017-01-28T08:39:50 < ohsix> lul spoke to a dude that has some junk, mentioned the injectino molding machine already, he blurted out that he has a designer on staff when i mentioned business cards
2017-01-28T08:40:17 < ohsix> business is ocurring
2017-01-28T08:52:22 < ohsix> ReadError: beep
2017-01-28T08:52:26 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-8000mAh-External-Battery-Power-Bank-with-USB-Type-C-Quick-Charge-OE/112252006440?_trksid=p5713.c100043.m2062&_trkparms=aid%3D999002%26algo%3DURGENT.LUI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140502134130%26meid%3D5b12b25ea0964db286b98a0c0dc9e454%26pid%3D100043%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26so%3Dlastwatched%26sd%3D221885453457
2017-01-28T08:52:30 < ohsix> gah that url
2017-01-28T08:52:35 < ohsix> these things look nice
2017-01-28T08:53:29 < ReadError> capacity is useless w/o cell count
2017-01-28T08:53:37 < ReadError> unless they are saying 8000mA @ 5V
2017-01-28T08:54:02 < ohsix> it's one prismatic cell
2017-01-28T08:54:15 < ohsix> big clive took apart one of the smaller ones
2017-01-28T08:54:54 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcCewyrKNSQ
2017-01-28T09:04:28 < ohsix> anyways it looked pretty close to spec and for tenbux on the 8000mAh is p. good
2017-01-28T09:05:03 < ohsix> don't _need_ one tho. i need one of the things with the adjustable outputs
2017-01-28T09:05:22 < ohsix> something that plugged in and did usb-c logic and output a programmed voltage would be keen
2017-01-28T09:05:27 < ReadError> isnt there a cheap usb controllable DC adj PSU?
2017-01-28T09:05:42 < ReadError> like it just uses usb to change the values or some shit
2017-01-28T09:06:36 < ohsix> no idea
2017-01-28T09:06:44 < ohsix> i want it portable & ~arbitrary voltage
2017-01-28T09:06:55 < ohsix> could cobble it with one of the dc-dc converters
2017-01-28T09:09:01 < ReadError> you could 3d print a set of 2S blocks
2017-01-28T09:09:12 < ReadError> depending on orientation it would be series or parallel 
2017-01-28T09:13:58 < ohsix> wut
2017-01-28T09:14:28 < ohsix> i could 3d print a holder for a dc-dc converter in an 18650 holder, short the output
2017-01-28T09:14:35 < ohsix> but i don't think you were talking to me
2017-01-28T09:15:56 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Flexible-30AWG-Wire-Cable-High-Temperature-Resistant-Wrapping-Wrap-315M-/321483196353?hash=item4ad9e447c1:m:mCh4jgKMhSS6nfEqyQ7L0UA lul 180c, that's 3deg past kynar, but they call it pvc
2017-01-28T09:16:56 < ohsix> which do i trust, mr ebay
2017-01-28T09:25:29 < ReadError> i was
2017-01-28T09:26:24 < ReadError> but using a dc-dc makes a lot more sense, was just trying to be Maker
2017-01-28T09:26:45 < ohsix> oic
2017-01-28T09:26:52 < ohsix> yea it all sucks though
2017-01-28T09:26:54 < ohsix> finish-wise
2017-01-28T09:27:11 < ohsix> could make a pcb to swap into standard shell
2017-01-28T09:27:53 < ReadError> w/ pcb being so cheap you could do the enclosure in PCB
2017-01-28T09:28:14 < ReadError> like them multi dimensional circuits 
2017-01-28T09:28:37 < ReadError> havent had anything it would be useful on
2017-01-28T09:28:58 < ohsix> maybe
2017-01-28T09:29:08 < ohsix> it will eventually be put in a backpack/bag, pcb would tear shit up
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2017-01-28T09:30:13 < ohsix> the usb power bank would be useful by itself, that's the thing, if it were a widget that plugged into usb3 and had a knob or something, it'd be boss
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2017-01-28T09:48:40 < ohsix> need advise, we've got these https://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/11063w.jpg but they take like an inch+ of wire and lots of space for the handle to strip, is there one of the end/pull strippers that doesn't suck?
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2017-01-28T09:49:48 < ohsix> http://www.harborfreight.com/6-1-2-half-inch-wire-strippers-with-pressure-adjustment-66690.html something like this,  but not garbage
2017-01-28T09:52:29 < ReadError> i got some legit ones from amazon
2017-01-28T09:52:36 < ReadError> for superlow, like 12$ . maybe
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2017-01-28T09:57:25 < ohsix> part number/brand?
2017-01-28T09:57:59 < ohsix> there's a type with two v's and they're like pliers, but last time i was looking i couldn't find them or the name
2017-01-28T09:58:06 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OQ21CA/
2017-01-28T09:58:10 < ReadError> was them for $10
2017-01-28T09:58:31 < ReadError> i avoid HF tools
2017-01-28T09:58:45 < ReadError> too much garbage in their mix
2017-01-28T09:59:11 < ohsix> as i look again i realize v's and like pliers is a less than useless description
2017-01-28T09:59:29 < ohsix> ah hf has one like that that looks ok
2017-01-28T10:00:01 < ohsix> http://lrd.kangan.edu.au/electrotech/toolbox1204/resources/03workshop/05hand_tools/images/wire_strippers.jpg two v's, one on the left
2017-01-28T10:00:30 < ohsix> holding the wire is still a problem but you can twist and close again to need less
2017-01-28T10:01:13 < ohsix> the klein one is funny, lul; they have a very familiar motion and a clunk as you open them, i could see how you would get used to it and not be able to use other ones
2017-01-28T10:02:58 < ohsix> http://www.totaldrivewaysupplies.co.uk/products/pro-vde-strippers nice, these are small even
2017-01-28T10:03:28 < ohsix> ReadError: any hot hints for fixtures to hold shit?
2017-01-28T10:04:03 < ohsix> i'm about to give up on the idea that it can ever be easy, you can just do it and it is a pain in the ass, or you can waste a bunch of time using a fixture
2017-01-28T10:04:04 < ReadError> for what?
2017-01-28T10:05:20 < ohsix> holding wires and headers and shit in place while you solder, stuff you can't just hold while you do it
2017-01-28T10:06:30 < ReadError> o
2017-01-28T10:06:36 < ReadError> locline + clips
2017-01-28T10:06:45 < ReadError> most dynamic i guess
2017-01-28T10:07:15 < ohsix> hm i saw someone use that stuff
2017-01-28T10:07:27 < ohsix> cool will have to wizard something up
2017-01-28T10:07:49 < ohsix> there are shelves i can attach stuff to but they're relatively far back on the workstations
2017-01-28T10:07:53 < ReadError> maybe magnetic base for each one
2017-01-28T10:08:04 < ReadError> so you can position them around a metal table or worksurface
2017-01-28T10:08:26 < ohsix> they're wood :<
2017-01-28T10:08:41 < ohsix> but i could get an iron plate
2017-01-28T10:08:49 < ReadError> yea plate 
2017-01-28T10:09:02 < ohsix> loool there's a big loc-line, big enough to support pounds
2017-01-28T10:09:10 < ohsix> http://www.cjtmounting.com/images/product_images/Loc%20Line%20&%20PFL%20Base/001.jpg
2017-01-28T10:09:53 < ReadError> I use some 2.5" locline on my mill
2017-01-28T10:10:03 < ohsix> hurr if you were clever you could put a fume extractor in the thing
2017-01-28T10:10:05 < ReadError> for vacuum 
2017-01-28T10:10:33 < ohsix> how does it wear? like after 1000 movements (or years)
2017-01-28T10:10:41 < ReadError> no issues yet
2017-01-28T10:11:14 < ohsix> werd
2017-01-28T10:11:30 < ohsix> they're deformed a bit to stick together, so t he mating surfaces keep pretty clean
2017-01-28T10:11:51 < ohsix> making a list of stuff for someone else to buy is weird
2017-01-28T10:14:56 < ohsix> next random question, are any of those single ethernet port & 5v micro usb routers legit
2017-01-28T10:15:10 < ohsix> they're small and kind of exactly what i need, if the settings stuff in the ui aren't shit
2017-01-28T10:15:50 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VONETS-MINI300-WiFi-Wireless-N-AP-Range-Router-Extender-Repeater-Portable-White-/311654329610?hash=item48900bad0a:g:pN8AAOSwRJ9Xg1~0 stuff like this
2017-01-28T10:17:38 < ohsix> heh!!!!!!!!!!!!1 http://www.vonets.com/ProductViews.asp?D_ID=36
2017-01-28T10:17:39 < ohsix> neat
2017-01-28T10:21:18 < ReadError> never used one
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2017-01-28T10:27:06 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Philips_NE555/status/825246149694992386
2017-01-28T10:29:32 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VONETS-MINI-300-WIRELESS-WI-FI-REPEATER-BRIDGE-300MBPS-100-METER-RANGE-SECURITY-/122304188832?hash=item1c79e5d1a0:g:l3kAAOSw44BYc14u slightly more than an esp8266
2017-01-28T10:29:55 < ohsix> ossum little dev board tho
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2017-01-28T10:46:12 < dongs> attn zyp http://i.imgur.com/KEkERN1.jpg
2017-01-28T11:00:32 < dongs> drawing on paper wat
2017-01-28T11:03:04 < dongs> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/122115036208
2017-01-28T11:05:57 < ReadError> seems legit
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2017-01-28T11:19:25 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pJHqaF23B8 what the fuck
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2017-01-28T11:30:13 < dongs> no, next page in his blog definitely is tho
2017-01-28T11:30:13 < dongs> http://spritesmods.com/?art=macsearm&page=4
2017-01-28T11:30:29 < dongs> using TWO faggotmel shits to do adb->usb when you can do same wiht a single stm32?!
2017-01-28T11:30:32 < dongs> what teh actual fucking fuck
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2017-01-28T11:36:41 < ReadError> crt: get ur paki codes yet?
2017-01-28T11:39:29 < dongs> oh for fucks sake. F302 has F1-style DMA shit with channels?
2017-01-28T11:39:41 < dongs> why the fuck ST keeps switching that shit
2017-01-28T11:39:43 < dongs> cunts
2017-01-28T11:41:46 < ReadError> wtf is the f2 for
2017-01-28T11:43:31 < dongs> crt: lol
2017-01-28T11:48:40 < dongs> I found out I would have to install a separate microcontroller to handle the USB-portion of the converter: both ADB and USB are asynchronous, and there was no way one microcontroller could just halt an USB-transfer-in-progress and go
2017-01-28T11:48:44 < dongs>             service the ADB-bus, or the other way around. So I had to use two of them, one to handle ADB and another to handle USB'
2017-01-28T11:48:48 < dongs> a u t i s m
2017-01-28T11:48:56 < dongs> yeah just TOTALLY NO WAY
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2017-01-28T11:56:48 < dongs> holy shit the next page
2017-01-28T11:57:21 < dongs> so when he needed 21k of sram, instead of choosing any of the literally thousands available wiht > 21k ram
2017-01-28T11:57:30 < dongs> he attaches a fucking obsolete sram chip
2017-01-28T11:57:32 < dongs> to gpio
2017-01-28T12:01:27 < jpa-> too bad they don't make microcontrollers with hardware USB support
2017-01-28T12:01:34 < jpa-> bitbanging usb takes so much resources
2017-01-28T12:02:18 < dongs> yeah what an unforutnate omission
2017-01-28T12:02:22 < dongs> or microcontrollers wiht more than 8k ram
2017-01-28T12:02:47 < dongs> what the fuck is DMAR base register in timers?
2017-01-28T12:03:51 < dongs> oic, to dma more than one CCR/etc at on ce
2017-01-28T12:04:00 < jpa-> dongs: DMAR is so that you can write all the timer registers with a single dma channel
2017-01-28T12:04:06 < dongs> ya
2017-01-28T12:04:19 < dongs> wont be needing this, the gimp timer i got only has 1 channel anyway
2017-01-28T12:05:21 < jpa-> it'd be funny if DMAR could be used to do similar transfers to other peripherals, because the address offset register is 16-bit.. but i expect that it's actually implemented only within the single timer :P
2017-01-28T12:05:30 < dongs> haha
2017-01-28T12:05:34 < dongs> to overflow it?
2017-01-28T12:05:43 < dongs> is tehre anything close enough in that range?
2017-01-28T12:07:13 < jpa-> many things, for example TIM2 on F0 looks to be at 0x4000 0000 so theoretically it could address up to 0x4000 FFFF, so stuff like RTC, WWDG, SPI, USART, I2C, USB, CAN, DAC etc.
2017-01-28T12:07:39 < dongs> mmm, very very nice
2017-01-28T12:07:40 < jpa-> not sure why you would need to write multiple I2C regs with DMA :P
2017-01-28T12:07:55 < dongs> what about flash?
2017-01-28T12:07:57 < dongs> FLITF or whatever
2017-01-28T12:08:01 < jpa-> and as i said, i expect it wouldn't actually work and that the DMAR logic only has access to the timer regs
2017-01-28T12:08:03 < dongs> hax0r your way out of bootloader
2017-01-28T12:08:59 < jpa-> flitf and gpio are pretty high, 0x4002 and higher
2017-01-28T12:09:26 < dongs> sux
2017-01-28T12:11:27 < dongs> wow, i wrote this dma code and it worked on first try
2017-01-28T12:11:27 < dongs> wtf
2017-01-28T12:11:40 < jpa-> you should sell your mad skills to Spirit1234
2017-01-28T12:11:53 < dongs> yeah i totally didnt expect it to work
2017-01-28T12:16:38 < dongs> hm well, fuck
2017-01-28T12:20:08 < dongs> crt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN2WzQzxuoA
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2017-01-28T12:42:37 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/KD5k7M8.png well, fuck. 
2017-01-28T12:42:52 < dongs> apparently  no way to invert polarity of output
2017-01-28T12:43:00 < dongs> and these clowns put IR transmitter connected to NPN...
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2017-01-28T13:01:10 < dongs> give some to o6
2017-01-28T13:05:13 < dongs> ok so well fuck. i guess ill switch pin AF when im done dicking it.. god damn wtf
2017-01-28T13:05:34 < dongs> and hopefully keeping IR led on/off doesnt affect transmission
2017-01-28T13:05:39 < dongs> as long as tehre's pulses
2017-01-28T13:08:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6GBaiBR.png that is so fucking ghetto
2017-01-28T13:09:12 < dongs> why the fuck ST has no configurable IRTIM polarity :(
2017-01-28T13:10:23 < dongs> well, at least my receiver gets it
2017-01-28T13:10:33 < dongs> crt, 100% are
2017-01-28T13:10:38 < dongs> its a sink driver
2017-01-28T13:10:46 < dongs> vcc -> ir led -> pin
2017-01-28T13:10:53 < dongs> of course these kickstarter faggots didnt know that
2017-01-28T13:11:09 < dongs> so they're driving ir led through a npn and IR polarity is of course needs to be backwards
2017-01-28T13:11:20 < dongs> or else the shitis always on
2017-01-28T13:11:51 < dongs> anyway works and my receive code picks up the reflection from my transmitter, how's that for awesome
2017-01-28T13:12:00 < dongs> FASTER THAN LIGHT
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2017-01-28T13:15:32 < dongs> time to implement digitalWrite so I can copypaste all the wealth of amazingt arduino code thats available on stackoverflow
2017-01-28T13:15:53 < Lux> dongs: can't you just invert the timer channels ?
2017-01-28T13:15:58 < dongs> lux, no
2017-01-28T13:16:02 < dongs> look how its hooked up
2017-01-28T13:16:44 < dongs> i can invert the carrier  channel, that doesnt matter of course but if i invert the envelope channel, it will transmit carrier during "idle" and no carrier during "run"
2017-01-28T13:16:57 < Lux> what if you invert both ?
2017-01-28T13:17:15 < dongs> .. doesnt matter, inverted carrier is just phase shift in pwm
2017-01-28T13:17:54 < dongs> irtim hardcodes output to envelope high = carrier, low = idle and then final AND or wahtever gate inverts it at the end
2017-01-28T13:18:36 < Lux> right, i need coffee
2017-01-28T13:18:53 < dongs> anyway, looks like my awful hack of switching pin AF to something non-existent works
2017-01-28T13:19:12 < dongs> IR led is on during "idle" but that also seems to not affect too much
2017-01-28T13:20:21 < Lux> ya that shouldn't matter
2017-01-28T13:20:57 < Lux> just take care you don't have it on too long, iirc ofthen they are meant to be driven pulsed and might break if you just leave it on
2017-01-28T13:21:15 < dongs> well thats certainly not my problem at this point :D
2017-01-28T13:21:34 < dongs> it's gonna be on for 4.5ms during the 'break' after initial 9ms carrier pulse
2017-01-28T13:22:40 < dongs> thats hte longest, so whatever.
2017-01-28T13:25:25 < dongs> so crt, the midi guy chatted me up on freecancer
2017-01-28T13:25:31 < dongs> from that hitsandmiss studio or wahtever
2017-01-28T13:26:18 < dongs> "i wanna make a midi controller keyboard <that looks like pretty much any fucking midi control surface on the planet> with a budget of $5k for *everything* and my idea is some auto-tune stuff that auto-fixes your midi while you play
2017-01-28T13:26:50 < dongs> i told him when he sees a midi control surface on sale for $99 it means tehy've spent > 100k on R&D and initial costs
2017-01-28T13:26:59 < dongs> "but china can make me a prototype for $2k"
2017-01-28T13:27:22 < dongs> told him for $2k china will slap his company name on existing piece of shit and send him 1 of those and a fortune cookie
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2017-01-28T13:37:49 < Kliment> dongs: what's the dude called?
2017-01-28T13:38:16 < Kliment> dongs: This sounds a lot like someone who tried to get me to build something like that
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2017-01-28T14:04:22 < dongs> Kliment: rony or someshit
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2017-01-28T14:13:51 < Kliment> dongs: okay, it's someone else then
2017-01-28T14:14:17 < dongs> at least there's more tha n one crazy fuck around
2017-01-28T14:14:19 < dongs> what did your pal want?
2017-01-28T14:14:54 < zyp> sup?
2017-01-28T14:15:11 < dongs> zyp, status of clicking my link
2017-01-28T14:15:11 < ReadError> forgot to turn on my heater
2017-01-28T14:15:18 < ReadError> noticed after it got 6C indoors
2017-01-28T14:15:19 < zyp> dongs, which link?
2017-01-28T14:15:24 < dongs> last one attn zyp
2017-01-28T14:15:36 < dongs> (imgur)
2017-01-28T14:15:57 < zyp> haha
2017-01-28T14:16:10 < dongs> its so wrong and yet so right
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2017-01-28T14:43:03 < zyp> dongs, obtw, I'd like the tracking number when you've sent the LL stuff
2017-01-28T14:43:29 < zyp> and you can figure out how much you want for the PCBA time and send me an invoice for that
2017-01-28T14:44:23 < dongs> pcba time + some misc parts that werent on chinainv
2017-01-28T14:44:23 < dongs> but yeah
2017-01-28T14:44:29 < dongs> its not sent, monday anyway
2017-01-28T14:44:30 < dongs> weekend now
2017-01-28T14:44:33 < dongs> and RJ not soldered
2017-01-28T14:44:50 < zyp> yeah, no hurry
2017-01-28T14:45:20 < zyp> I'd like the invoice xls or whatever for the chinaparts too for accounting while you're at it
2017-01-28T14:45:22 < dongs> just wrote digitalWrite/digitalRead tarduino style with a pin lookup table
2017-01-28T14:45:35 < dongs> wonder if it takes up more cycles than similar shit on avr
2017-01-28T14:46:02 < zyp> doesn't matter, it's faster cycles
2017-01-28T14:46:08 < dongs> digitalWrite(0/1) on tarduino needs no delay() in between cuz it can only toggle at liek 1hz
2017-01-28T14:46:20 < dongs> cuz thas how long it needs to lookup
2017-01-28T14:46:26 < dongs> pin name to GPIO
2017-01-28T14:46:59 < zyp> haha, wat
2017-01-28T14:47:19 < dongs> https://www.peterbeard.co/blog/post/why-is-arduino-digitalwrite-so-slow/
2017-01-28T14:47:24 < dongs> https://www.peterbeard.co/postimages/digitalwrite/1kHz.jpg
2017-01-28T14:48:17 < Steffanx> Wow.
2017-01-28T14:48:54 < dongs> digitalWrite() is liek 100 instructions
2017-01-28T14:48:57 < dongs> (scroll all the way down)
2017-01-28T14:54:30 < zyp> oh, right
2017-01-28T14:54:40 < zyp> «It then determines whether PWM is enabled on the pin and disables it if it is.»
2017-01-28T14:55:06 < zyp> no wonder it's slow if it has to look up whether the pin is associated with an enabled timer channel
2017-01-28T14:55:38 < Lux> any idea where i can buy that stuff: https://www.monolithicpower.com/Products/Product-Detail/964/MotorDrivers&PositionSensors/BrushlessDCPre-Drivers/MP6530 ?
2017-01-28T14:55:52 < Lux> seems like none of the distributors carry it
2017-01-28T14:57:49 < zyp> Lux, uh, press the «Sample & Buy» link at the top?
2017-01-28T14:58:03 < Lux> they don't list it there
2017-01-28T14:58:06 < dongs> i ahve datasheet for MP6534 for some reason
2017-01-28T14:58:10 < dongs> i think PeterM was asking about it
2017-01-28T14:58:27 < Lux> one distributor actually has it, but 500 min qty
2017-01-28T14:59:02 < zyp> so it's a triple gate driver?
2017-01-28T14:59:12 < Lux> yeah for bldc stuff
2017-01-28T14:59:14 < dongs> its like STSPIN but without the spin
2017-01-28T14:59:18 < dongs> or rather
2017-01-28T14:59:19 < dongs> without the ST
2017-01-28T14:59:23 < zyp> does it do some BEMF handling stuff too?
2017-01-28T14:59:28 < Lux> no it doesn't
2017-01-28T14:59:41 < Lux> but stspin kinda sucks
2017-01-28T15:01:04 < zyp> so, what's the advantage over standalone gate drivers per channel?
2017-01-28T15:01:11 < dongs> size? i donno
2017-01-28T15:01:20 < dongs> so you can spin while you spin
2017-01-28T15:01:23 < Lux> ya mainly size
2017-01-28T15:02:11 < Lux> and it just takes pwm vs inH and inL
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2017-01-28T15:02:30 < dongs> er isnt that kinda shitty
2017-01-28T15:02:38 < dongs> how do you control dead time and shit
2017-01-28T15:02:48 < dongs> inh/inl is nice cuz you can use adv_timer and do that stuff yourself
2017-01-28T15:02:58 < Lux> it's done automagically with some circuit
2017-01-28T15:03:09 < Lux> yeah, just needs 3 pins more
2017-01-28T15:03:10 < dongs> psh, sounds like german magic freewheeling
2017-01-28T15:03:16 < dongs> aka bullshit
2017-01-28T15:03:18 < Lux> heh
2017-01-28T15:04:09 < Lux> it probably just has a fixed dead time
2017-01-28T15:04:58 < Lux> there is a resistor to set it
2017-01-28T15:05:26 < Lux> good enough imo
2017-01-28T15:10:06 < Lux> they even have a boring vid about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49TfCiMZ2b8
2017-01-28T15:10:27 < dongs> that PCB is fucking awful
2017-01-28T15:10:32 < dongs> no clearance between vias
2017-01-28T15:12:47 < dongs> 2/3ms isnt that enough to fry
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2017-01-28T15:42:38 < dongs> englishman: SHARP using RT8532 for their bl driver
2017-01-28T15:43:02 < dongs> 2,5->24V in and up to 32V outr
2017-01-28T15:43:04 < dongs> er 43V
2017-01-28T15:43:11 < dongs> what was dixel panel led_vcc?
2017-01-28T15:45:59 < dongs> hey wow
2017-01-28T15:46:05 < dongs> first time i see a panel datasheet include complete schematics
2017-01-28T15:46:05 < dongs> wtf
2017-01-28T15:46:13 < dongs> i thought it was just gonna be the bom
2017-01-28T15:46:26 < englishman> dongs: kool
2017-01-28T15:46:39 < englishman> like 42V max but in reality 36-38V
2017-01-28T15:46:45 < dongs> right so that'd work
2017-01-28T15:47:32 < englishman> hmm
2017-01-28T15:47:38 < englishman> its only 6 chains tho
2017-01-28T15:47:42 < englishman> and the lcd is common anode
2017-01-28T15:47:54 < dongs> isnt dixel that?
2017-01-28T15:47:59 < englishman> 8
2017-01-28T15:48:02 < dongs> oh, fuck
2017-01-28T15:48:06 < englishman> otherwise i would have alreayd used two TIs
2017-01-28T15:48:08 < englishman> yeah, hence heat
2017-01-28T15:48:12 < englishman> especially at 5V in
2017-01-28T15:48:14 < englishman> its fine on 12V
2017-01-28T15:48:39 < dongs> oh
2017-01-28T15:48:40 < dongs> cute
2017-01-28T15:48:43 < dongs> sharp is using 4 channels
2017-01-28T15:48:54 < dongs> and pairing 2 led strings
2017-01-28T15:48:59 < englishman> you have a dixel?
2017-01-28T15:49:02 < englishman> or something else
2017-01-28T15:49:10 < dongs> no, im lokoing at schematic of unrelated panel
2017-01-28T15:49:12 < englishman> ah
2017-01-28T15:49:17 < dongs> but they're pairing 8 strings
2017-01-28T15:49:19 < dongs> into 4 channels
2017-01-28T15:49:22 < englishman> qfn20 3x3
2017-01-28T15:49:23 < dongs> grounding 2 on richtek
2017-01-28T15:49:26 < englishman> is it 5v input?
2017-01-28T15:49:33 < dongs> 2.5V to 24V
2017-01-28T15:49:36 < englishman> hmm
2017-01-28T15:49:42 < englishman> 2.5V -> 36V
2017-01-28T15:49:43 < englishman> is tough
2017-01-28T15:49:47 < englishman> so there must be a booster in there
2017-01-28T15:49:54 < englishman> before leds
2017-01-28T15:50:02 < dongs> just the internal boost on ic
2017-01-28T15:50:06 < dongs> oh, didnt read schematics closely
2017-01-28T15:50:07 < englishman> oh
2017-01-28T15:50:09 < dongs> they have a pair of richtecks
2017-01-28T15:50:10 < englishman> no i mean in scheamtic
2017-01-28T15:50:16 < dongs> each one doing 4 strings
2017-01-28T15:50:22 < dongs> no there isnt
2017-01-28T15:50:35 < dongs> schmatics says Vin 2.5 to 24V
2017-01-28T15:50:41 < englishman> can you sync two drivers together? i didnt think these cheap controllers could do that
2017-01-28T15:50:41 < dongs> directly from BL_VCC
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2017-01-28T15:50:46 < englishman> then you can do 2 with common anode
2017-01-28T15:50:56 < dongs> cvhecking if they're synched
2017-01-28T15:51:27 < englishman> or maybe you can just yolo them together
2017-01-28T15:51:29 < dongs> no sync
2017-01-28T15:51:32 < dongs> pwm just going to both
2017-01-28T15:51:40 < englishman> then if one fails, the other driver overcurrents
2017-01-28T15:51:50 < englishman> ok
2017-01-28T15:51:55 < englishman> well, i'll try that in next rev
2017-01-28T15:51:59 < dongs> no, they're driving separate strings
2017-01-28T15:52:03 < englishman> right
2017-01-28T15:52:07 < dongs> overcurrent wouldnt happen
2017-01-28T15:52:20 < englishman> hm yeah i gues that's not what would fail to gnd
2017-01-28T15:52:35 < englishman> n e way
2017-01-28T15:52:41 < englishman> will yolo two switchers together
2017-01-28T15:52:51 < englishman> the whole point of my shit is run off usb3.0 5v
2017-01-28T15:52:56 < dongs> VLF403212MT-100M
2017-01-28T15:52:59 < dongs> filthy TDK coils
2017-01-28T15:53:02 < englishman> as its <10W should work
2017-01-28T15:54:35 < dongs> anyway schematic looks ok. nothing weird in it. i guess using 2x of 4ch was cheaper than finding a 8ch one..
2017-01-28T15:54:41 < dongs> or as you said, power dissipation junk
2017-01-28T15:55:21 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/rohm-semiconductor/RB162M-60TR/RB162M-60CT-ND/2615681
2017-01-28T15:55:24 < dongs> this is the boost diode
2017-01-28T15:55:29 < dongs> hm nothign special too
2017-01-28T15:58:38 < dongs> 10 layer pcb
2017-01-28T15:58:41 < dongs> in the panel
2017-01-28T15:58:45 < dongs> like 0.8mm thickness
2017-01-28T15:59:21 < dongs> they have complete gerber prints
2017-01-28T16:00:44 < dongs>  verykawaii jap routing
2017-01-28T16:01:20 < dongs>  k blogging out
2017-01-28T16:02:21 < englishman> maybe if i switched to 10L it would work
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2017-01-28T16:26:25 < englishman> Norway wants to give Finland a mountain for its birthday in 'unprecedented show of kindness between countries'
2017-01-28T16:26:30 < englishman> zip and kaks, bffs
2017-01-28T16:26:46 < zyp> IIRC that was some months ago and it didn't work out
2017-01-28T16:27:42 < englishman> yeah that's at the very end of the article
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2017-01-28T16:40:27 < Steffanx> What does Canada give countries  as "unprecedented show of kindness between countries" englishman? Maple syrop?
2017-01-28T16:41:20 < englishman> strong bilateral trade agreements and passive aggressiveness towards american politics
2017-01-28T16:41:41 < englishman> so yeah, syrup
2017-01-28T16:49:03 < Steffanx> I've never tried it.
2017-01-28T16:49:37 < englishman> the only stroopwafel available here is maple :(
2017-01-28T16:49:44 < englishman> clearly not authentic
2017-01-28T16:49:49 < englishman> maybe we can organize a trade
2017-01-28T16:49:54 < Steffanx> maple instead of  "stroop"?! Daamn
2017-01-28T16:49:56 < englishman> as a show of good faith between nations
2017-01-28T16:50:07 < Laurenceb_> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/135/437/39b.jpg
2017-01-28T16:50:12 < englishman> to celebrate CETA
2017-01-28T16:53:05 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/34a980aea0219fd15959b2a3fd3cf4fdafe736f6ee9fa81178675f79ee00192d.jpg
2017-01-28T16:53:55 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_:  try /topic
2017-01-28T17:01:10 < Steffanx> why?
2017-01-28T17:01:42 < Steffanx> My experiences with Segger are pretty good.
2017-01-28T17:03:49 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/8e3a8c7fc593ac0e2a2a563269c56ad1c286f84e02bef4e19ce89f79e58c738e.jpg
2017-01-28T17:03:56 < Laurenceb_> ok I'll stop now
2017-01-28T17:05:50 < Steffanx> What are you working on
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2017-01-28T17:09:51 < Steffanx> What does one pay for emwin?
2017-01-28T17:10:26 < Steffanx> Got pro or basic?
2017-01-28T17:11:25 < Steffanx> oh, it's included with keil stuff.
2017-01-28T17:12:11 < Steffanx> but .. keil is like 5k?
2017-01-28T17:12:16 < Steffanx> emwin is also 5k..
2017-01-28T17:12:38 < Steffanx> 5k+ even. Depends on the version
2017-01-28T17:15:10 < Laurenceb_> http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/109542891/please-dont-tell-me-it-is-true-please-dont-tell
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2017-01-28T17:16:01 < Steffanx> Just fuck off with your 8/4chan crap.
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2017-01-28T17:18:25 < Steffanx> but that includes some extra taxes i guess crt? As Segger is a german company?
2017-01-28T17:18:45 < Steffanx> oh, and keil is .. us?
2017-01-28T17:19:03 < Steffanx> or british
2017-01-28T17:22:41 < Steffanx> but keil is ARM now.
2017-01-28T17:23:16 < Lux> it's still a seperate entity
2017-01-28T17:23:34 < Lux> so even arm employees have to get keil licences
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2017-01-28T17:44:47 < Kliment> I'm looking at the datasheet for an F7 and it says "maximum I/O pin frequency" 180MHz, with a note "for maximum frequencies above 50MHz and VDD>2.4V, the compensation cell should be used"
2017-01-28T17:44:52 < Kliment> Anyone know what that means?
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2017-01-28T18:01:15 < emeb> A chilly morning in AZ
2017-01-28T18:01:39 < emeb> n00b
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2017-01-28T18:02:50 < emeb> when you've been here for 34 years then this is chilly
2017-01-28T18:03:43  * emeb shakes cane, yells something about kids & yards
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2017-01-28T18:17:35 < emeb> R2COM: working on some VHF RF stuff
2017-01-28T18:18:00 < emeb> got some boards out to fab for R820T2 front end and a 14-bit ADC
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2017-01-28T18:21:37 < Kliment> If I DMA data from memory to a GPIO port, what determines WHEN it gets written out?
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2017-01-28T18:28:06 < englishman> Steffanx: why not stemwin aka steffanwin
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2017-01-28T18:53:34 < Steffanx> Isnt that just emwin in some st package mr englishman?
2017-01-28T18:53:45 < englishman> yes and $0
2017-01-28T18:54:20 < Steffanx> Touchgfx seemed nice too. C++ much.
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2017-01-28T18:59:13 < jedrek_> Hello, I would like to set PWM for DC motor properly on my STM32F303K8 but I have a problem. When I set different TIM_Pulse values during initial config, the engine speeds differ. However, when I'm trying to change the value when program is running (using TIM_SetCompare2), the engine speed changes to 100% no matter what value I set in this function. What can cause my problem?
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2017-01-28T19:03:02 < jedrek_> my code is here: http://pastebin.com/48ULmji0
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2017-01-28T19:08:32 < jedrek_> maybe I'm doing something wrong in PWM config?
2017-01-28T19:39:48 < englishman> what is the actual value of that counter variable?
2017-01-28T19:39:50 < englishman> engine = (received_string[0] - '0') * 100 +(received_string[1] - '0') * 10 + (received_string[2] -'0');
2017-01-28T19:40:00 < englishman> err, isn't there a standard function for this
2017-01-28T19:40:38 < englishman> like atoi()
2017-01-28T19:45:14 < jedrek_> received_string [0], [1], and [2] are just numbers - whole char array looks like "024L" - it means 24% PWM and direction (for some other needs)
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2017-01-28T20:32:29 < jedrek_> ok, I sorted out this problem - there was a problem with variables
2017-01-28T20:32:36 < jedrek_> i needed to declare them globally
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2017-01-28T20:34:19 < Steffanx> For some reason comments in non-english always distract me :P
2017-01-28T20:34:54 < _ami_> Steffanx: reading codes written by chinese?
2017-01-28T20:34:57 < _ami_> or koreans?
2017-01-28T20:35:02 < _ami_> or japanese?
2017-01-28T20:35:06 < Steffanx> no, jedrek_'s code. Polish comments.
2017-01-28T20:35:11 < Steffanx> *comments in polish
2017-01-28T20:35:18 < zyp> non-english comments have no place
2017-01-28T20:36:21 < englishman> ^
2017-01-28T20:37:10 < _ami_> ah, non-english comments are bad practice. especially in open source software.
2017-01-28T20:38:25 < Rickta59> i've not too much stock in comments as the code is what is running not the comments
2017-01-28T20:38:52 < zyp> also true
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2017-01-28T20:43:58 < Rickta59> https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/commit/51ac0fe319a9ac7d363376f9397ad71d32975c69 .. that was in there for years
2017-01-28T20:45:50 < Steffanx> hehe
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2017-01-28T21:13:34 < kakimir> what is like delta but upside down?
2017-01-28T21:13:40 < kakimir> symbol
2017-01-28T21:16:00 < Rickta59> http://bfy.tw/9kr6
2017-01-28T21:17:51 < kakimir> thank you for googling for me
2017-01-28T21:19:04 < Rickta59> what are you going to do with that info?
2017-01-28T21:30:17 < englishman> nice
2017-01-28T21:30:26 < englishman> electro store only had 16g enamelled wire
2017-01-28T21:30:35 < englishman> so i unwrapped a busted bixler motor, now i have a lifetime supply
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2017-01-28T23:31:29 < jadew``> sup?
2017-01-28T23:33:04 < jadew``> funny pix?
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2017-01-28T23:40:32 < Steffanx> unusable?
2017-01-28T23:41:18 < Steffanx> oh nvm :P
2017-01-28T23:41:24 < Steffanx> for some reason i read unusable :P
2017-01-28T23:43:08 < jadew``> yeah, I noticed that too
2017-01-28T23:43:12 < jadew``> nice touch
2017-01-28T23:45:23 < jadew``> spyware.
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2017-01-28T23:53:40 < jadew``> was just kidding, I'm not worried
2017-01-28T23:53:52 < jadew``> I use Linux
2017-01-28T23:56:07 < jadew``> I have to go, I'm at a party and they turned on the lights
2017-01-28T23:56:59 < jadew``> don't judge, I have nonody to talk with
2017-01-28T23:57:07 < jadew``> oh the cake is here
--- Day changed Sun Jan 29 2017
2017-01-29T00:02:45 < aandrew> hahaha
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2017-01-29T00:05:09 < jadew``> haha
2017-01-29T00:05:22 < jadew``> it's a baptism
2017-01-29T00:05:31 < jadew``> sort of like a wedding
2017-01-29T00:05:49 < jadew``> in fact, I had the same band at my wedding
2017-01-29T00:06:06 < jadew``> nobody is paying attention to me
2017-01-29T00:07:02 < jadew``> anyway, I'm out, not staying for the cake
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2017-01-29T00:40:35 < englishman> https://zippy.gfycat.com/ThoughtfulEmbellishedGreendarnerdragonfly.webm
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2017-01-29T00:42:04 < Steffanx> wut.
2017-01-29T00:45:19 < englishman> crt
2017-01-29T00:46:04 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/fs22CyI.jpg
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2017-01-29T01:21:38 < Steffanx> what on earth is that food? Fries with peas and .. ?
2017-01-29T01:21:53 < englishman> cheese, and gravy
2017-01-29T01:22:01 < englishman> cheese curds
2017-01-29T01:23:41 < Steffanx> I would be uncertain too.
2017-01-29T01:24:01 < englishman> it has the four food groups
2017-01-29T01:24:23 < englishman> carbs, dairy, veggies, and grease
2017-01-29T01:24:33 < Steffanx> it's just the combination..
2017-01-29T01:24:46 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine
2017-01-29T01:24:55 < Steffanx> but i already figured its something canadians eat.
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2017-01-29T02:50:54 < jadew> LeelooMinai, any idea what's the deal with the new EEVBlog branded meter?
2017-01-29T02:51:09 < jadew> seems to be a higher end brymen, but I'm not sure
2017-01-29T02:53:04 < jadew> heh, yeah
2017-01-29T02:53:16 < jadew> I thought he was working on one (designing one)
2017-01-29T02:53:25 < jadew> but the version number seems odd
2017-01-29T02:54:38 < jadew> maybe that's what he did
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2017-01-29T02:59:46 < jadew> LeelooMinai, apparently the 121 GW means 1.21 gigawatts - reference from back to the future
2017-01-29T02:59:53 < jadew> it's possible it's the one he designed
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2017-01-29T03:48:05 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Just curious (I'm not looking at it), what are the general thoughts on the different RTOS
2017-01-29T03:48:21 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Like, Chibi, FreeRTOS, Keil, mbed, etc
2017-01-29T03:49:52 < Jak_o_Shadows1> That's a pessimistic, if realistic view of things
2017-01-29T03:50:18 < zyp> I'd say figure out what you want to do first, then figure out what fits your purpose
2017-01-29T03:52:08 < Jak_o_Shadows1> hmmm.
2017-01-29T03:52:13 < zyp> I've tried chibios, but I dropped it after I found out I spent more time working around it than actually making use of it
2017-01-29T03:53:11 < zyp> dunno, I prefer avoiding the complexity
2017-01-29T03:54:11 < zyp> while multithreading is a nice solution for a bunch of problems, it also comes with a whole can of worms on it's own, esp. wrt concurrency issues
2017-01-29T03:54:45 < emeb_mac> this
2017-01-29T03:54:50 < zyp> even more so on embedded compared to a standard PC
2017-01-29T03:55:05 < emeb_mac> one of my clients is using FreeRTOS to do multithreading stuff.
2017-01-29T03:55:05 < englishman> its easy when you're using Go
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2017-01-29T03:55:21 < emeb_mac> It helps him with certain things, but debugging gets really fun.
2017-01-29T03:55:55 < zyp> on a standard PC you have a huge sparse memory space where pages can be mapped to extend thread stacks on demand, on embedded you have to figure out how to allocate thread stacks in advance
2017-01-29T03:58:46 < zyp> trial and error mostly
2017-01-29T03:59:43 < zyp> static analysis could get you part of the way, but tracking the call tree gets really hard as soon as indirect calls are involved
2017-01-29T04:00:10 < zyp> I was messing around with this when I started out with stm32
2017-01-29T04:01:26 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/j4TBZ.png <- the bottom line in each box here is the stack allocation of that function frame
2017-01-29T04:03:34 < zyp> entry() does indirect calls for the initializer and deinitializer arrays
2017-01-29T04:06:06 < zyp> anyway, a more thorough static analysis could probably figure out which functions could possibly go into a function pointer to build a complete call graph
2017-01-29T04:06:43 < zyp> and once you have a complete graph, you just need to figure out the maximum depth from each of the thread entry points
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2017-01-29T04:07:23 < zyp> until you run into a graph with a loop, like a recursive function, which could theoretically have an infinite depth :)
2017-01-29T04:08:07 < zyp> a more feasible way would probably be to add hints to augment the static analysis
2017-01-29T04:08:22 < zyp> «this function never recurses more than x times»
2017-01-29T04:09:12 < zyp> «I passed in function pointer x to this object, so this function will now call x»
2017-01-29T04:09:16 < zyp> etc…
2017-01-29T04:09:20 < englishman> is static analysis (in C) literally just counting the number of bytes taken by static variables?
2017-01-29T04:10:01 < zyp> «static analysis» means looking at the code and figuring out how it will behave without running it
2017-01-29T04:10:28 < englishman> ..rite
2017-01-29T04:10:40 < zyp> whereas dynamic analysis would run the code and monitor observed stack usage
2017-01-29T04:10:52 < zyp> (in this case)
2017-01-29T04:12:16 < englishman> but in this case, your stack analysis is just counting the static variables in different thread functions
2017-01-29T04:12:39 < zyp> static?
2017-01-29T04:12:47 < zyp> static variables doesn't go on stack
2017-01-29T04:13:06 < zyp> not necessarily local variables
2017-01-29T04:13:18 < englishman> but here: <- the bottom line in each box here is the stack allocation of that function frame
2017-01-29T04:13:25 < englishman> then it says "8 static" etc
2017-01-29T04:13:37 < zyp> that means it's a static size
2017-01-29T04:13:47 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Hmm. Yes. Static analysis and linting. Should do that
2017-01-29T04:14:05 < englishman> when is a function not a static size?
2017-01-29T04:14:16 < zyp> englishman, variable sized arrays
2017-01-29T04:14:39 < englishman> so this is modern C
2017-01-29T04:15:02 < zyp> LeelooMinai, for most fairly trivial functions in optimized code, stack is just used to store previous register contents to make room for local variables in the registers
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2017-01-29T04:15:17 < zyp> nontrivial enough to actually use stack, of course :)
2017-01-29T04:15:23 < zyp> but trivial enough to fit in registers
2017-01-29T04:15:27 < Jak_o_Shadows1> That reminds me, I need to get rid of the calloc in my code
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2017-01-29T04:16:45 < zyp> ARM also have this fun notion of caller-save registers and callee-save registers in the ABI
2017-01-29T04:16:48 < englishman> lol
2017-01-29T04:17:29 < zyp> LeelooMinai, in a more traditional sense, you also have the return addr
2017-01-29T04:17:40 < Jak_o_Shadows1> crt, thank you for that gyfcat.
2017-01-29T04:18:05 < zyp> but since arm is using a link register, it's just handled like any other caller-save register
2017-01-29T04:18:58 < zyp> hmm, my RTC is still running too slow, now it's five seconds off since I started it a couple of days ago
2017-01-29T04:19:38 < zyp> that's around 3e-5
2017-01-29T04:19:53 < zyp> maybe the divisor is off by one
2017-01-29T04:19:58 < englishman> according to maxim's calculator that's <30ppm
2017-01-29T04:20:39 < zyp> oh, yeah, that's also true, 1ppm is 1e-6 after all
2017-01-29T04:20:41 < englishman> and also according to my casio
2017-01-29T04:21:02 < zyp> englishman, I just did google
2017-01-29T04:21:03 < zyp> https://www.google.no/search?q=5+seconds+%2F+2+days
2017-01-29T04:21:13 < englishman> nice
2017-01-29T04:21:26 < englishman> https://www.google.no/search?q=5+seconds+%2F+2+days#q=(5+seconds+%2F+2+days)+*+1000000
2017-01-29T04:21:28 < englishman> also useful
2017-01-29T04:22:37 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no, that's completely wrong
2017-01-29T04:24:12 < zyp> a static analysis tool needs to account for all these details, it needs to look at the actual pushes and pops as they are after all optimization steps are done
2017-01-29T04:24:43 < zyp> analyzing how many local variables you have in each function in the source code is utterly pointless
2017-01-29T04:25:26 < zyp> no it wouldn't
2017-01-29T04:25:38 < zyp> it doesn't matter what it allocates, just how much
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2017-01-29T04:26:28 < Jak_o_Shadows1> What are the thoughts on unit testing
2017-01-29T04:26:37 < zyp> and either way, that's a solved problem, gcc will already tell you how large each stack frame will be if it can
2017-01-29T04:26:57 < zyp> the hard part is figuring out the indirect calls in the call graph
2017-01-29T04:27:43 < zyp> LeelooMinai, so what, it still doesn't matter what it is
2017-01-29T04:28:21 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I mean, even IDA will tell you how large a stack frame a function requires, it just counts the pushes a function will do
2017-01-29T04:31:13 < zyp> I was about to say «same could be said about you», but then I figured that would just launch another gender debate
2017-01-29T04:32:46 < zyp> LeelooMinai, but seriously, no matter whether you're right or wrong, frame size analysis is a solved problem, just go compile something with -fstack-usage and see for yourself
2017-01-29T04:32:53 < Jak_o_Shadows1> What are the thoughts on unit testing
2017-01-29T04:35:52 < zyp> I'm just saying there's no direct relation between local variables and stack frames
2017-01-29T04:36:06 < zyp> you're thinking in terms of source code when this is a machine code problem
2017-01-29T04:36:58 < zyp> you could write a function with a hundred local variables and end up with it not using stack at all
2017-01-29T04:38:04 < zyp> 03:35:52 < zyp> I'm just saying there's no direct relation between local variables and stack frames
2017-01-29T04:38:08 < zyp> 03:36:05 < zyp> you're thinking in terms of source code when this is a machine code problem
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2017-01-29T04:41:13 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'm not even sure anymore, do you have a point yourself apart from attacking my rethoric?
2017-01-29T04:44:45 < zyp> LeelooMinai, so what is a local variable?
2017-01-29T04:45:06 < zyp> I mean, what do you mean by «local variable»?
2017-01-29T04:46:04 < zyp> good, I agree with that definition
2017-01-29T04:47:49 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/5ntPz <- let's take foo() as an example
2017-01-29T04:47:58 < zyp> how many local variables would you say it has?
2017-01-29T04:48:19 < zyp> not five?
2017-01-29T04:48:57 < zyp> how much stack does it use?
2017-01-29T04:50:28 < zyp> oh, I thought the interesting part was the local variables, as you claimed
2017-01-29T04:51:47 < Jak_o_Shadows1> 5 local variables. and when you call bar, it puts 5*sizeof(int) in, yeah? Or does it only store the two requried for x, y?
2017-01-29T04:52:19 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows1, my guess is that on armv7-m with -O2, it'll use four bytes of stack
2017-01-29T04:52:27 < zyp> I haven't compiled it to check though
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2017-01-29T04:52:49 < zyp> oh, eight, I forgot about lr
2017-01-29T04:54:25 < zyp> LeelooMinai, well, assuming the call to bar() can't get inlined, you can't get around having to use stack to store x somewhere
2017-01-29T04:55:46 < zyp> oh, yeah, I forgot, the details of how stuff works isn't interesting
2017-01-29T04:55:51 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Why do you think 4? x , some sort of return address?
2017-01-29T04:56:01 < zyp> x and lr, yes
2017-01-29T04:56:06 < Jak_o_Shadows1> also, I have no idea how big an in is.
2017-01-29T04:56:06 < zyp> so 8
2017-01-29T04:56:15 < zyp> int is 4 bytes on v7m
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2017-01-29T04:57:20 < Jak_o_Shadows1> ah ,gotcha
2017-01-29T04:57:29 < zyp> like I said earlier, ARM has caller-save registers and callee-save registers
2017-01-29T04:57:45 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Would there ever be a reason to tell a RTOS a2^x stack space size?
2017-01-29T04:59:14 < zyp> I bet that function would compile into something like push {r5, lr}; add r5, r0, r1; mov r1, r2; mov r0, r5; bl <bar>; add r0, r5; pop {r5, pc}
2017-01-29T04:59:31 < ohsix> lul 16gb of ram is boss
2017-01-29T04:59:45 < zyp> maybe not r5 but one of the other callee-save registers
2017-01-29T05:01:31 < zyp> oh, r4 is also callee-save
2017-01-29T05:01:32 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/8HSdY
2017-01-29T05:01:32 < zyp> :D
2017-01-29T05:01:49 < Jak_o_Shadows1> wait. Caller-save registers. SO when you jump into a function, where you were gets put in there
2017-01-29T05:02:06 < zyp> nothing gets put anywhere
2017-01-29T05:02:28 < zyp> caller-save means that a function can overwrite them without saving if it wants
2017-01-29T05:02:42 < zyp> callee-save means that a function must restore original contents before returning
2017-01-29T05:03:05 < Jak_o_Shadows1> ahk
2017-01-29T05:04:48 < zyp> so anyway, my example function ended up using eight bytes of stack like I predicted
2017-01-29T05:04:57 < zyp> none of those hold local variables for this function
2017-01-29T05:05:29 < Jak_o_Shadows1> What if you had a function call in the middle of a function. and you used local variables after that function call
2017-01-29T05:05:50 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Cause like, it doesn't keep the local variables because they don't get used after.
2017-01-29T05:05:53 < Jak_o_Shadows1> ?
2017-01-29T05:06:14 < ohsix> i kind of feel bad about ignores when zyp is talking, dropping some knowledge
2017-01-29T05:06:32 < ohsix> because it is usually delicious
2017-01-29T05:07:26 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you can go on and believe that if you want, I'm happy enough that the function compiled into pretty much exactly what I predicted it would :p
2017-01-29T05:08:30 < zyp> so what? I don't need to prove anybody wrong to be happy
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2017-01-29T05:09:14 < zyp> LeelooMinai, if I cared about appearances, I wouldn't spend my time talking to you
2017-01-29T05:13:58 < zyp> how would you prefer they would go?
2017-01-29T05:14:53 < ohsix> it's weird, the persistent crank on freenode is nothing like back in the day on efnet when everyone was horrible
2017-01-29T05:15:45 < dongs> aahahaahahah
2017-01-29T05:15:50 < dongs> zyp delivers the truth
2017-01-29T05:18:58 < dongs> does laks have working i2c for f30x?
2017-01-29T05:19:08 < Jak_o_Shadows1> laks?
2017-01-29T05:19:14 < zyp> no, I haven't done i2c on v2 periph yet
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2017-01-29T05:19:19 < dongs> fuk
2017-01-29T05:19:25 < jadew> ok, I just finished reading the log
2017-01-29T05:19:35 < dongs> jadew: do you want last 10 minutes of your life back
2017-01-29T05:19:36 < jadew> what was the original debate about?
2017-01-29T05:19:38 < aandrew> yeah me too
2017-01-29T05:19:45 < dongs> if the answer is YES, please type /ignore LeelooMinai right now
2017-01-29T05:20:01 < Jak_o_Shadows1> how much stack space should you give something, in respect to a RTOS
2017-01-29T05:20:12 < jadew> dongs, not really, I kinda want to see if I missed something, it was an interesting discussion
2017-01-29T05:20:25 < jadew> Jak_o_Shadows1, that wasn't it
2017-01-29T05:20:42 < jadew> and about unit testing, you do it as much as you think it's necessary - my policy
2017-01-29T05:20:51 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Well, didn't we go to how much stack space a function used?
2017-01-29T05:20:52 < aandrew> personally I'm not sure what the fuss about LeelooMinai is about. a few people here seem to have a real hard time with her presence and I can't figur eit out
2017-01-29T05:20:53 < dongs> zyp, i see, so only F1 and F4
2017-01-29T05:20:54 < jadew> anything more than that, will probably get in the way
2017-01-29T05:20:59 < dongs> and F3 i2c periph is STILL differnt?
2017-01-29T05:21:12 < zyp> well, F3 is newer than F4
2017-01-29T05:21:16 < dongs> time to rip polling version from CPAL i guess
2017-01-29T05:21:22 < aandrew> somehow I've managed to eat 128kB of RAM doing next to nothing
2017-01-29T05:21:26 < Jak_o_Shadows1> jadew, I'm more concerned with the HOW bit. Cause I believe I need some in my project.
2017-01-29T05:21:36 < aandrew> I'm suspecting lwip is preallocating a LOT of buffers
2017-01-29T05:22:01 < jadew> Jak_o_Shadows1, you'll need some sort of framework to provide the assertions and the fail/success counting
2017-01-29T05:22:29 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Yup. Got one I like. Do you just generally run them on the actual uC? Cause well, I don't have printf for example)
2017-01-29T05:22:32 < aandrew> jadew: how was the cake?
2017-01-29T05:22:34 < jadew> look into boost test
2017-01-29T05:22:45 < jadew> aandrew, didn't stay for the cake
2017-01-29T05:22:52 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Thanks
2017-01-29T05:22:56 < Flea86> aandrew: heh, you can run RetroBSD inside 128KB RAM, I think :)
2017-01-29T05:23:01 < aandrew> I find romanians ahve two kinds of cake. what I consider 'normal' and the other is a kind of "wet" cake that I cannot stand but everyone goes on and on abot how moist it is
2017-01-29T05:23:03 < jadew> I just congratulated them and then left
2017-01-29T05:23:13 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows1, hardware-independent code could be built and tested on host platform
2017-01-29T05:23:22 < jadew> aandrew, heh, yeah
2017-01-29T05:23:38 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows1, otherwise you could do qemu and semihosting
2017-01-29T05:23:43 < zyp> or even semihosting on hardware
2017-01-29T05:24:07 < Jak_o_Shadows1> zyp, well, in that case, I need to figure out how to separate them nicely.
2017-01-29T05:24:34 < ohsix> us product safety commission has funny gifs and shit on twatter https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3TT4l8WcAIP_yY.jpg
2017-01-29T05:24:35 < aandrew> one thing I really like abot most .ro desserts (maybe a european thing) is that they aren't super sweet
2017-01-29T05:24:54 < zyp> I've been thinking about adding support to build for host system to my lib, would be nice for teting
2017-01-29T05:25:08 < ohsix> aandrew: there's a dude working on a not-suck tiny ip stack, dunno if it's on github yet or anything
2017-01-29T05:25:32 < aandrew> oh?
2017-01-29T05:25:37 < jadew> aandrew, I can't comment on that because I didn't have anything outside of europe
2017-01-29T05:25:45 < dongs> i2c_cpal.c: 84 kilobytes to do i2c
2017-01-29T05:25:50 < ohsix> yea sec let me look
2017-01-29T05:26:02 < aandrew> in north america it seems they just add flour and egg to tons of sugar
2017-01-29T05:27:31 < Flea86> dongs: That's two orders of magnitude larger than for a lot of eight-bitters (i2c implementation) :/
2017-01-29T05:27:51 < ohsix> aandrew: hrm nothing on his gh, will have to ask him, shrug
2017-01-29T05:28:26 < ohsix> but he had some specifics when he was slagging off lwip and adam dunkels things, it might not also suck :p
2017-01-29T05:28:52 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows1, I wrote some shit the other day to easily test/develop my oled code: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ijmPl.jpg http://bin.jvnv.net/f/hTFsT.png
2017-01-29T05:29:11 < aandrew> ohsix: heh ok, definitely interested in taking a look at it
2017-01-29T05:29:14 < dongs> its just garbage ST crap
2017-01-29T05:29:16 < zyp> it got me thinking that support for building the entire app for a host test build would be nice
2017-01-29T05:30:30 < dongs> that would only make sense if you were using visual studio which has a real debugger
2017-01-29T05:30:36 < ohsix> ohhh wait https://github.com/m-labs/smoltcp
2017-01-29T05:30:37 < ohsix> LOL RUST
2017-01-29T05:30:37 < ohsix> well fuck it, nevermind
2017-01-29T05:30:42 < dongs> if you make some  Makefile build for gcc/gdb, i don't see how thats any better than debugging on mcu
2017-01-29T05:30:46 < dongs> same shit, different bugs
2017-01-29T05:31:41 < aandrew> why does gdb have to suck so badly with st
2017-01-29T05:31:50 < aandrew> with jlinkgdbserver it aborts almost immediately
2017-01-29T05:31:59 < aandrew> when openocd+jlink it craps out randomly
2017-01-29T05:32:20 < ohsix> i never asked if it was in c, i guess :o
2017-01-29T05:32:23 < dongs> wut
2017-01-29T05:32:26 < dongs> works for me
2017-01-29T05:32:36 < aandrew> hm, never looked at rust before
2017-01-29T05:32:36 < dongs> wait, donno about 'gdb'
2017-01-29T05:32:40 < dongs> just eclipse + gdbserver
2017-01-29T05:32:46 < aandrew> dongs: yeah, Ozone works great
2017-01-29T05:32:50 < aandrew> but I want to use gdb
2017-01-29T05:32:58 < dongs> < aandrew> hm, never looked at rust before
2017-01-29T05:33:00 < dongs> save your time and dont
2017-01-29T05:33:08 < dongs> another newfag language that is dead on arrival
2017-01-29T05:33:30 < ohsix> i looked a little, it seems that it cuold target the stm32 and small stuff, but it wuold take some work
2017-01-29T05:33:37 < ohsix> holy wtf is going on with my fingers
2017-01-29T05:34:13 < aandrew> interesting
2017-01-29T05:34:55 < ohsix> yea, someone else will do it eventually
2017-01-29T05:34:58 < zyp> rust syntax seems weird and annoying
2017-01-29T05:35:14 < zyp> but then again, that's what I thought about python too before I learned it
2017-01-29T05:35:25 < ohsix> ya
2017-01-29T05:35:35 < ohsix> i'm waiting for something to force my hand, or a book or something
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2017-01-29T05:41:06 < ohsix> always waiting
2017-01-29T05:41:17 < dongs> you dsont need to learn python to see that its syntax is fucking annoying
2017-01-29T05:41:27 < ohsix> i'm still interested in randoms hit but not nearly as manic as i apparently was 15/20 years ago :[
2017-01-29T05:41:35 < ohsix> my internet got too fast
2017-01-29T05:42:08 < zyp> dongs, that's what I'm saying
2017-01-29T05:42:30 < zyp> I didn't see that it weren't actually annoying until I actually bothered learning it
2017-01-29T05:42:46 < ohsix> think abou tthe converse, why on earth would people prefer C or anything over something like python huhuhu
2017-01-29T05:42:48 < ohsix> it's all shit
2017-01-29T05:42:53 < ohsix> it's just the shit you knwo
2017-01-29T05:43:15 < dongs> hm I think my i2c shit from F4 should just work
2017-01-29T05:43:17 < dongs> in polling mode
2017-01-29T05:43:24 < dongs> i dont see it doing anything crazy and it works on F4
2017-01-29T05:43:33 < dongs> using stdperiph calls only, no register dicking
2017-01-29T05:43:46 < dongs> time to find out
2017-01-29T05:43:57 < ohsix> i think a pal is teaching a python class in a few weeks, sitting in on that if i can
2017-01-29T05:44:09 < ohsix> i won't just hack on some shit otherwise
2017-01-29T05:44:35 < englishman> dongs where can i buy / import an amazing jap toilet
2017-01-29T05:44:39 < ohsix> if you wan tto see something wacky, look at mathematicas list/array comprehension/slicing stuff, it's similarly weird to perl
2017-01-29T05:44:42 < zyp> ohsix, hmm, m-labs are the migen guys, they seem rather sane
2017-01-29T05:44:49 < ohsix> but way more weird
2017-01-29T05:44:50 < dongs> englishman: http://global.rakuten.com/en/
2017-01-29T05:44:59 < englishman> ha k
2017-01-29T05:45:05 < englishman> any preferred models
2017-01-29T05:45:09 < dongs> some might evne take gaypal
2017-01-29T05:45:12 < ohsix> zyp: first i'm hearing of that part, i thought it was the dudes personal project :p
2017-01-29T05:45:14 < englishman> yea
2017-01-29T05:45:18 < englishman> rakuten is great
2017-01-29T05:45:40 < dongs> http://global.rakuten.com/en/search/?k=washlet&l-id=search_regular not sure but there's liek 4 pages * 60 results im sure you can find something
2017-01-29T05:45:55 < zyp> ohsix, probably worth a look if you're doing rust at least
2017-01-29T05:46:06 < englishman> "washlet"
2017-01-29T05:46:16 < englishman> ok
2017-01-29T05:46:47 < dongs> err, 4 pages more like 11k results
2017-01-29T05:46:54 < zyp> englishman, haha, I've actually thought about importing one
2017-01-29T05:47:08 < englishman> zyp: i was about to ask you (a dirty gaijin) if they are worth it
2017-01-29T05:47:11 < zyp> but I figure it'll have to wait until I'm actually owning a place, not just renting
2017-01-29T05:47:15 < ohsix> huhu after the news of them standardizing stuff?
2017-01-29T05:48:12 < englishman> ooh anti-theft
2017-01-29T05:48:13 < zyp> englishman, idk, haven't looked much at prices
2017-01-29T05:48:20 < englishman> no i mean, from usability
2017-01-29T05:48:37 < englishman> ive never been to nippon and never experienced the glorious toilets
2017-01-29T05:48:54 < ohsix> http://japaric.github.io/copper/ well then, heh
2017-01-29T05:49:14 < zyp> englishman, depends
2017-01-29T05:49:22 < ohsix> looks like there's already been work to target stm32
2017-01-29T05:49:27 < dongs> zyp, any rhyme/reason to AF numbering, no way to know without looking at table right?
2017-01-29T05:49:32 < ohsix> i swear i googled this a few months ago and got dick
2017-01-29T05:49:45 < dongs> for some fucked up reason F3 stm32.h decided not to name AF but only uses numbers
2017-01-29T05:50:11 < zyp> dongs, most periphs have all their pins on a specific AF number, but not all periphs
2017-01-29T05:50:33 < ohsix> http://japaric.github.io/copper/details/target.html
2017-01-29T05:50:37 < dongs> ya im just wondering why they had to lose GPIO_AF_I2C1 and turn it into GPIO_AF_4
2017-01-29T05:51:17 < ohsix> diduguyz see http://i.imgur.com/nZJU9Ft.jpg had to do this without the benefit of a microscope :[
2017-01-29T05:51:26 < zyp> englishman, I'm not sure how much detail you want, but in my experience, how well they work depends on the consistency of your poop residue
2017-01-29T05:51:55 < zyp> they work very well when you ate something weird and are shitting liquid
2017-01-29T05:52:02 < englishman> cool
2017-01-29T05:52:16 < englishman> is it just a fancy hightech bidet then
2017-01-29T05:52:18 < englishman> or is there more do it
2017-01-29T05:52:20 < englishman> *to it
2017-01-29T05:52:27 < dongs> some have anus hair dryer as well
2017-01-29T05:52:27 < zyp> pretty much
2017-01-29T05:52:35 < englishman> anus drier would be nice
2017-01-29T05:52:37 < zyp> that's dumb as fuck
2017-01-29T05:52:42 < zyp> no, it's awful
2017-01-29T05:52:46 < ohsix> i hate taking my blender apart to clean it when i'm done, can you imagine how much of a mess a technical toilet can get into
2017-01-29T05:53:10 < zyp> most of the ones I've seen doesn't have a dryer, but the one at the hotel I stayed at in korea had
2017-01-29T05:53:13 < ohsix> it'd be like opening a pc that has been in use for 20 years and instead of big dust bunnies it is shit
2017-01-29T05:53:36 < englishman> do they need a hot water tap?
2017-01-29T05:53:41 < dongs> no they have a heater
2017-01-29T05:53:44 < englishman> cool
2017-01-29T05:53:45 < zyp> all it managed to do was blow the shit smell out of the toilet bowl and spread it all around the room
2017-01-29T05:53:51 < englishman> so will 100V be a problem?
2017-01-29T05:53:59 < zyp> they have export models
2017-01-29T05:54:03 < dongs> might be, but toto and shit do have intl models
2017-01-29T05:54:03 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-29T05:54:16 < englishman> thanks guys, ive been schooled
2017-01-29T05:56:03 < zyp> I'm thinking that if I ever get one, half the reason would be for the novelty of it, for when I have friends over :p
2017-01-29T05:56:18 < englishman> yes i definitely want something that nobody knows how to use
2017-01-29T05:56:38 < zyp> then again, by now most of my friends have already been to japan too, I usually don't travel alone :p
2017-01-29T05:56:54 < dongs> make sure to get the 2017 models
2017-01-29T05:56:57 < dongs> with standartized logos
2017-01-29T05:57:04 < dongs> of which ones release poop or spray etc.
2017-01-29T05:57:10 < englishman> and the latest hhc
2017-01-29T05:57:22 < dongs> https://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2017/01/japanese-toilet-washlet-symbols/
2017-01-29T05:57:33 < dongs> needed a committee of 12 old men to decide
2017-01-29T05:57:56 < zyp> sounds like japan
2017-01-29T05:58:01 < englishman> how many sake and budweiser fuelled 3am meetings did that take
2017-01-29T05:58:04 < ohsix> it's like cleaning x, but it is poop instead of y
2017-01-29T05:58:37 < dongs> huh what the fuck, even i2cstruct in stdperiph is completely differnt
2017-01-29T05:58:40 < dongs> in F3
2017-01-29T05:58:40 < dongs> WTF
2017-01-29T05:58:52 < zyp> japan has this thing about throwing people at problems
2017-01-29T05:58:59 < dongs> and all i2c event shit is renamed or gone I2C_EVENT_MASTER_MODE_SELECT etc
2017-01-29T05:59:06 < ohsix> like aircraft carriers
2017-01-29T05:59:11 < ohsix> *holy wind*
2017-01-29T05:59:13 < dongs> oh, i2c_checkevent doedsnt even exist
2017-01-29T05:59:13 < zyp> like, «how many japanese people do you need to change a light bulb?»
2017-01-29T05:59:14 < dongs> fucking great
2017-01-29T05:59:27 < englishman> why japanese peepurr
2017-01-29T06:00:05 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze japanese throwing people at a problem :(
2017-01-29T06:00:10 < zyp> in my experience at least five, because in addition to the one on the step ladder, there will be four standing around it to make sure nobody bumps into it
2017-01-29T06:00:27 < dongs> zyp, one more to hold a chalkboard 
2017-01-29T06:00:31 < dongs> with diagram of how to change
2017-01-29T06:00:33 < zyp> and I'm not even joking
2017-01-29T06:00:46 < dongs> have you seen those at consturction sites?
2017-01-29T06:00:53 < ohsix> zyp heh i've sen stuff like that, they have tiny hats
2017-01-29T06:01:07 < englishman> a chalkboard? at a construction site?
2017-01-29T06:01:20 < dongs> yes
2017-01-29T06:01:21 < zyp> dongs, yeah, I remember on my first trip I missed last train back from odaiba
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2017-01-29T06:01:47 < zyp> I figured night temperature was nice for a walk, so I was walking back at 2am
2017-01-29T06:02:03 < dongs> http://www.ken.gr.jp/img2/5-4.jpghttp://www.ken.gr.jp/img2/5-4.jpg
2017-01-29T06:02:08 < dongs> err
2017-01-29T06:02:08 < dongs> http://www.ken.gr.jp/img2/5-4.jpg
2017-01-29T06:02:09 < zyp> through some back street with no traffic
2017-01-29T06:02:30 < zyp> and there were some ongoing road work by the side of the road there
2017-01-29T06:02:54 < zyp> the workers were done for the night, except the lone guy with the red light stick that was just standing there
2017-01-29T06:02:55 < dongs> http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20110824/10/ykawakami/01/ca/j/t02200165_0640048011438045276.jpg
2017-01-29T06:03:28 < zyp> I didn't see a single car driving there
2017-01-29T06:03:46 < ohsix> dongs has some shots of traffic accidents by his house
2017-01-29T06:03:58 < ohsix> and construction/cleanup
2017-01-29T06:04:31 < ohsix> i feel like i'm being annoying, bbl
2017-01-29T06:05:29 < dongs>  /* I2C TIMING Register define when I2C clock source is SYSCLK */
2017-01-29T06:05:29 < dongs> /* set TIMING to 0xC062121F to reach 100 KHz speed (Rise time = 640ns, Fall time = 20ns) */
2017-01-29T06:05:33 < dongs> is there a .xls for this
2017-01-29T06:05:41 < zyp> haha
2017-01-29T06:05:46 < dongs> holy shit.
2017-01-29T06:05:59 < zyp> this was F3, right?
2017-01-29T06:06:09 < zyp> what speed do you want?
2017-01-29T06:06:29 < dongs> ya, i mean, 100 is ok. thats actualyl waht i wanted
2017-01-29T06:06:30 < dongs> but like
2017-01-29T06:06:36 < dongs> why just write a dumb number
2017-01-29T06:06:39 < dongs> and not even explain how they got it
2017-01-29T06:07:36 < zyp> PRESC = 12, SCLDEL = 6, SDADEL = 2, SCLH = 18, SCLL = 1F
2017-01-29T06:07:45 < zyp> PRESC = 12, SCLDEL = 6, SDADEL = 2, SCLH = 18, SCLL = 31
2017-01-29T06:08:44 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/embedded-software/stsw-stm32126.html
2017-01-29T06:08:46 < dongs> oh, there is an excel
2017-01-29T06:09:51 < zyp> there's a table in the RM too
2017-01-29T06:10:33 < zyp> which doesn't match your value, heh
2017-01-29T06:10:39 < dongs> hm
2017-01-29T06:10:45 < dongs> yeah  just ran excel with 100khz and its different too
2017-01-29T06:10:49 < zyp> probably different bus speed
2017-01-29T06:10:53 < dongs> wtf is "i2c clock source frequency'?
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2017-01-29T06:11:03 < zyp> bus clock
2017-01-29T06:11:04 < dongs> isnt that sysclk
2017-01-29T06:11:08 < englishman> why would HAL team *ever* be messing with register hex values, unless their goal was to make unreadable code... oh
2017-01-29T06:11:24 < zyp> nah, it's probably sysclk/2 or sysclk/4
2017-01-29T06:11:24 < dongs> i2c1 is on apb so
2017-01-29T06:11:25 < emeb_mac> I hate that I2C timing reg
2017-01-29T06:11:29 < dongs> right ,looking
2017-01-29T06:11:30 < zyp> whatever the clock is for that apb
2017-01-29T06:11:35 < emeb_mac> like you say - never twice the same
2017-01-29T06:11:42 < dongs>  /2
2017-01-29T06:11:52 < emeb_mac> and many values seem to work fine
2017-01-29T06:12:11 < dongs> still doesn't match, nice
2017-01-29T06:12:15 < zyp> emeb_mac, it's not like it's super important even, you're the master, you can do whatever you want
2017-01-29T06:12:39 < zyp> dongs, so what is the bus clock?
2017-01-29T06:12:43 < emeb_mac> zyp: yeah. pretty bogus
2017-01-29T06:12:53 < dongs> zyp, 72mhz sysclk, apb1 is /2, so 36MHz
2017-01-29T06:13:15 < zyp> hmm, there's not a 36MHz example in the RM
2017-01-29T06:13:33 < zyp> but looking at the numbers, it kinda seems like you… oh
2017-01-29T06:13:46 < zyp> comment even says sysclk
2017-01-29T06:13:56 < zyp> which probably is 72
2017-01-29T06:14:06 < zyp> or maybe they assumed 64, idk
2017-01-29T06:14:07 < emeb_mac> typical Japanese: https://twitter.com/SpoonTamago/status/825061282760052736
2017-01-29T06:14:56 < dongs> wtf ST site is completley fucking dead to me
2017-01-29T06:15:27 < dongs> The I2C kernel is clocked by an independent clock source. The clock source can be:
2017-01-29T06:15:30 < dongs> • HSI (default source)
2017-01-29T06:15:33 < dongs> • SYSCLK
2017-01-29T06:15:48 < dongs> so it is 8mhz..
2017-01-29T06:15:55 < zyp> haha
2017-01-29T06:19:21 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BryWij2dg1s
2017-01-29T06:30:49 < dongs> beg jones
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2017-01-29T06:34:56 < dongs> hm so new peripheral needs to know how many bytes im transferring
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2017-01-29T06:45:58 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/rtOgj0x.gif
2017-01-29T06:55:44 < dongs> http://expressobserver.com/couple-and-their-cats-poisoned-by-3d-printer-693.html 3d printers kill
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2017-01-29T06:57:49 < Jak_o_Shadows1> I've been consdiering D
2017-01-29T06:57:53 < Jak_o_Shadows1> I have a friend using it
2017-01-29T06:58:10 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Albeit friend is not using it on uC
2017-01-29T06:59:33 < dongs> i'm sure youve been considering the d
2017-01-29T06:59:40 < jadew> that settles it, I'll buy a couple of 3D printers and gift them to "friends"
2017-01-29T06:59:55 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Thanks dongs.
2017-01-29T07:05:51 < dongs> wanna get gassed? look no further than crt's amazing stm32 based 3d printer
2017-01-29T07:07:52 < dongs> holy shit
2017-01-29T07:08:03 < dongs> send 3d printer to beg jones
2017-01-29T07:08:09 < dongs> mailbag
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2017-01-29T07:25:22 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone have a spice model for a PC fan?
2017-01-29T07:26:56 < ColdKeyboard> I'm looking for a spice model for a brushless DC motor, in particular the one used in PC cases, like 90 or 120mm fans
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2017-01-29T07:44:03 < ColdKeyboard> I want to simulate circuit that will control DC motor
2017-01-29T07:55:00 < dongs> wat'
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2017-01-29T08:13:46 < ohsix> http://www.techni-tool.com/500-030 another cheeky multimeter, spotted on paper
2017-01-29T08:14:54 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: get one
2017-01-29T08:15:18 < ohsix> white papers and shit on bldc show the waveforms and the different types of feedback
2017-01-29T08:18:03 < ohsix> simulink has some stuff but it isn't worth bothering
2017-01-29T08:34:55 < dongs> well waht teh fuck
2017-01-29T08:35:10 < dongs> 11khz i2c speed
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2017-01-29T09:03:00 < dongs> motehrfucker whaty the fuck why doenst ST's own fucking code follow shitty fucking i2c flowcharts in RM
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2017-01-29T09:12:09 < dongs> clive1 gonna post somethin about him only using F1 and F4
2017-01-29T09:12:32 < dongs> k i2c works
2017-01-29T09:12:44 < dongs> ignored all ST code and wrote shit exactly how RM has it
2017-01-29T09:30:49 < dongs> its surprisingly simple on the new peripheral
2017-01-29T09:34:47 < ohsix> ReadError: the O's in the taboo logo are docking
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2017-01-29T09:46:30 < ReadError> not seen it yet, ne good?
2017-01-29T09:47:41 < dongs> ReadError: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-01-29T09:48:17 < dongs> i tihnk there's an empty #dumbamericantv for  you to discuss this stuff in
2017-01-29T09:57:20 < dongs> reduce my attack surface
2017-01-29T09:59:33 < dongs> hey RTX5 s upporst dickless operation mode
2017-01-29T09:59:37 < dongs> maybe leelooman will be ineerested
2017-01-29T10:03:13 < dongs> event recorder sounds like rblog  but acutally works
2017-01-29T10:03:38 < dongs> omg he said user may add code to HIS own application
2017-01-29T10:10:14 < dongs> oh wow
2017-01-29T10:10:28 < dongs> debug.ini stuff with sine generator shit
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2017-01-29T10:28:21 < ohsix> tom hardy is such a badass
2017-01-29T10:28:37 < ohsix> ReadError: yea it's pretty good
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2017-01-29T10:29:13 < ohsix> ep4 has a few lols
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2017-01-29T10:31:43 < ohsix> watch bronson tho 4 real
2017-01-29T10:46:34 < ohsix> https://japaric.github.io/discovery/README.html nice
2017-01-29T10:57:21 < dongs> spotted kakimir http://i.imgur.com/WGSCALA.gifv
2017-01-29T10:58:22 < ohsix> https://github.com/japaric/xargo
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2017-01-29T11:11:54 < ohsix> it looks like someone has done the work, lul, and like, exactly in the timeframe i've since last looked
2017-01-29T11:12:35 < ohsix> kind of cool one rustc can generate code for all the targets
2017-01-29T11:17:26 < ohsix> bonus: no fucking with makefiles and nonsenser
2017-01-29T11:17:40 < Jak_o_Shadows1> If you're not using C/C++ though, how does that work with the peripherals?
2017-01-29T11:18:11 < dongs> ?
2017-01-29T11:19:41 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Like. There's the std periph library, or loc3, etc. But those are in C. How does that all work?
2017-01-29T11:19:55 < ohsix> http://os.phil-opp.com/
2017-01-29T11:20:35 < ohsix> https://crates.io/search?q=stm32
2017-01-29T11:20:38 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows1: ^
2017-01-29T11:21:26 < Jak_o_Shadows1> ah. So you have to do it yourself/hope somebody has done it for you?
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2017-01-29T11:23:43 < ohsix> see svd_board? that generates all the register definitions and stuff
2017-01-29T11:23:56 < ohsix> but yea, do it yourself; thing is, someone has since i'd last looked
2017-01-29T11:24:13 < Jak_o_Shadows1> aha. Nice.
2017-01-29T11:25:05 < ohsix> dunno all the terms yet, but xargo is some sort of wrapper that lets you target bare metal
2017-01-29T11:25:33 < ohsix> Xargo is “a drop-in replacement for cargo”, so every cargo command also works with xargo. You can do e.g. xargo --help, xargo clean, or xargo doc. However, the build command gains additional functionality: xargo build will automatically cross compile the core library (and a few other libraries such as alloc and collections) when compiling for custom targets.
2017-01-29T11:26:38 < ohsix> huhu https://japaric.github.io/discovery/05-led-roulette/build-it.html this thing implies it will build core but that's failing
2017-01-29T11:28:24 < ohsix> haha install instructions for rustup: curl https://sh.rustup.rs -sSf | sh
2017-01-29T11:28:32 < ohsix> i love that people actually do that
2017-01-29T11:31:22 < dongs> oh, autism
2017-01-29T11:31:23 < ohsix> hm lame, even though rust is in the fedora repos, you still need rustup for this since it needs to build core
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2017-01-29T11:39:35 < dongs> i wish i had so much time to autism around with shit that doesnt work
2017-01-29T11:39:55 < dongs> instead i am forced to work with inferior tools that work
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2017-01-29T11:58:39 < ohsix> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822179104 lolwut 5tb 2.5" drives
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2017-01-29T12:04:27 < Thorn> is there such a thing as voltage controlled power supply? so that Vout = Vin with loads say up to 3A
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2017-01-29T12:04:57 < dongs> ?
2017-01-29T12:05:03 < dongs> isnt that just called "not shitty power supply"?
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2017-01-29T12:05:23 < Thorn> they all have voltage inputs?
2017-01-29T12:05:46 < dongs> i mean, if your power supply drops voltage under high current, that means it sucks right?
2017-01-29T12:06:06 < Thorn> so that you can connect e.g. a signal generator, make it output a slow sine wave and the PSU output will follow that sine wave
2017-01-29T12:06:30 < dongs> that sounds like some kinda control voltage shit
2017-01-29T12:07:02 < Thorn> I think I'll have more than one use for such a device
2017-01-29T12:07:43 < ohsix> https://japaric.github.io/discovery/06-hello-world/README.html heh even shows how to use itm to get messages out
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2017-01-29T12:07:58 < ohsix> Thorn: lul add a resistor to a transistor
2017-01-29T12:08:14 < ohsix> what you want is a 'buffer'
2017-01-29T12:08:52 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_amplifier
2017-01-29T12:09:10 < Thorn> I know, I wonder if it exists as a product
2017-01-29T12:11:30 < ohsix> it does but not until you get to huge stuff
2017-01-29T12:18:00 < ohsix> there are some dc loads that can do it too
2017-01-29T12:18:19 < ohsix> (current can go either way through them)
2017-01-29T12:23:19 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows1: https://japaric.github.io/discovery/14-i2c/the-solution.html looks kind of ok, there are wrappers apparently as well
2017-01-29T12:23:20 < Lux> Thorn: there are power supplies like that, only difference is they usually take 0-10V
2017-01-29T12:24:05 < Lux> i think those manson psus have analog in
2017-01-29T12:24:07 < Lux> http://www.manson.com.hk/products/category/dc_power_supplies
2017-01-29T12:24:10 < Jak_o_Shadows1> neat
2017-01-29T12:24:12 < Lux> at least some of those
2017-01-29T12:24:27 < Lux> dunno how fast it is though
2017-01-29T12:25:21 < ohsix> Lux: nice, i couldn't think of any that did it offhand
2017-01-29T12:25:46 < ohsix> heh those are really nice looking
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2017-01-29T12:27:37 < Lux> they seem pretty decent, I bought the HCS-3300-USB some time ago
2017-01-29T12:27:46 < Lux> and the price isn't too bad either
2017-01-29T12:29:29 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixyKK8S_tvM ?
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2017-01-29T12:30:42 < Lux> Thorn: pretty much
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2017-01-29T12:31:02 < Lux> ofc you can just input a voltage instead of soldering on pots
2017-01-29T12:31:23 < ohsix> did you get them off ali or wut, looked at their distributors and there aren't many
2017-01-29T12:31:39 < Lux> there is a distributor in germany
2017-01-29T12:31:43 < Thorn> http://www.manson.com.hk/getimage/index/action/images/name/5652d64f72aa0.pdf section 8
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2017-01-29T12:31:55 < Lux> i have no idea where else you can get those
2017-01-29T12:32:28 < Lux> but i bet there are distributors selling those in the US too
2017-01-29T12:32:41 < Thorn> +1 for the circuit in sect 8.2
2017-01-29T12:33:34 < Thorn> wipers not connected anywhere
2017-01-29T12:33:56 < ohsix> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/manson-power-supply-remote/id948174013?mt=8 heh
2017-01-29T12:34:06 < dongs> haha
2017-01-29T12:34:51 < dongs> is that a vcr
2017-01-29T12:35:13 < dongs> damn thats a lot of shit
2017-01-29T12:36:15 < dongs> $1800
2017-01-29T12:36:24 < dongs> full color multitouch display
2017-01-29T12:36:25 < dongs> wtf
2017-01-29T12:37:28 < dongs> $36.24/week with 6 months minimum
2017-01-29T12:37:37 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-01-29T12:38:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Modify-PIC-board-use-Ethernet/
2017-01-29T12:39:01 < dongs> ha ha
2017-01-29T12:41:05 < dongs> fucking freecancer changed some rules
2017-01-29T12:41:10 < dongs> i can no longer bid high amounts
2017-01-29T12:41:27 < dongs> apparently i must have 25 reviews or plus or higher membershit
2017-01-29T12:41:31 < dongs> to bid more than $30 on that proj
2017-01-29T12:41:32 < dongs> fucking lol
2017-01-29T12:41:59 < dongs> for $30 he can buy some ethernet nucleo i guess
2017-01-29T12:42:08 < dongs> and then pay me $500 to write firmware
2017-01-29T12:42:19 < dongs> i will doubleclick cubemx.exe
2017-01-29T12:42:24 < dongs> load up ethernet profile
2017-01-29T12:42:28 < dongs> while (1) { code code }
2017-01-29T12:42:29 < dongs> done
2017-01-29T12:42:57 < dongs> cunts who ask for "plz make me a pcb for X" and budget < $1k is like, wat?
2017-01-29T12:43:27 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/khaos-control/ 
2017-01-29T12:43:33 < dongs> what the fuck does he even expect people to bid here
2017-01-29T12:43:40 < dongs> awesome description
2017-01-29T12:44:48 < ohsix> lul hackernews, dude goes on to defend C and then defines embedded as 8051, no arm
2017-01-29T12:47:32 < ohsix> why would he
2017-01-29T12:48:47 < ohsix> lul 16gb of ram!111
2017-01-29T12:49:09 < ohsix> wouldn't have expected things to be so different
2017-01-29T12:49:28 < Thorn> wtf is this http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/bu7017_40e_040.pdf
2017-01-29T12:50:13 < dongs> too much information
2017-01-29T12:50:23 < dongs> Thorn: says 404 here
2017-01-29T12:50:33 < PeterM> i like that layout for scopes, means reachign for buttons doesnt cover screen
2017-01-29T12:50:33 < dongs> loaded on2 nd try
2017-01-29T12:56:41 < dongs> wat did you fix in it
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2017-01-29T12:58:54 < Thorn> all those controls make it look like it's designed to do something useful
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2017-01-29T13:13:57 < Flea86> heh
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2017-01-29T14:26:09 < dongs> im putting back together nexus7 (2013)
2017-01-29T14:33:13 < dongs> wow
2017-01-29T14:33:15 < dongs> no missing screws
2017-01-29T14:44:52 < jpa-> such pro
2017-01-29T14:47:16 < Steffanx> I don't think jpa- cares.
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2017-01-29T14:49:03  * jpa- doesn't even see what he doesn't care about
2017-01-29T14:49:17 < dongs> lol
2017-01-29T14:49:56 < Steffanx> Ok I'll retweet for you jpa-: <crt> I wonder if jpa- remembers he blocked crt
2017-01-29T14:50:26 < jpa-> you are correct, don't care :)
2017-01-29T14:51:38 < dongs> dixus7 mobo came pre-defaulted to English (INDIA) for language
2017-01-29T14:51:51 < dongs> k bed
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2017-01-29T15:08:24 < Steffanx> but i do understand it. You're sometimes annoying as hell crt :P
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2017-01-29T15:15:24 < Steffanx> No need to say more.
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2017-01-29T16:07:01 < Rob235> good morning
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2017-01-29T16:16:26 < Rob235> Went shopping yesterday to find a meal plan to help with my stomach problems and I made the mistake of buying a ball of port wine cheese.  I love that stuff but I feel like shit today :/
2017-01-29T16:16:53 < Rob235> just trying to wake up, coming up with a plan for today.  what are you up to
2017-01-29T16:18:30 < Rob235> what you got goin on
2017-01-29T16:18:48 < Rob235> (what new equpment)
2017-01-29T16:18:51 < Rob235> i
2017-01-29T16:19:15 < Rob235> ahh ok
2017-01-29T16:19:25 < Steffanx> Some hobby bobby dj broke his/her stuff again?
2017-01-29T16:23:32 < Rob235> yea I wish I could work on some projects but I gotta work on life
2017-01-29T16:23:39 < Rob235> I miss my drone
2017-01-29T16:24:18 < Rob235> what drug habit is this?
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2017-01-29T16:25:32 < Rob235> ahh, that kind of logic
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2017-01-29T16:29:48 < Rob235> easy enough
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2017-01-29T16:31:28 < Rob235> ok, send me the funds when they arrive
2017-01-29T16:33:28 < ReadError> Rob235: dont you drink that soylent garbage?
2017-01-29T16:33:31 < Rob235> only if they are made of gold or silver
2017-01-29T16:33:41 < Rob235> no, I tried it for a month and it was too gross
2017-01-29T16:34:00 < ReadError> lol u where all about it i thought
2017-01-29T16:34:09 < Rob235> I was, didnt work out though haha
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2017-01-29T16:35:07 < ReadError> no
2017-01-29T16:35:10 < ReadError> i have some whippets tho
2017-01-29T16:35:25 < Rob235> nitrous
2017-01-29T16:35:28 < ReadError> nitrous ya
2017-01-29T16:35:37 < ReadError> tehehegas
2017-01-29T16:35:47 < ReadError> wah wha wha wah wah
2017-01-29T16:36:29 < Rob235> never tried a whippit and never plan on it.  sounds horrible to me
2017-01-29T16:37:09 < ReadError> lol what
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2017-01-29T16:38:25 < ReadError> its gr8ness
2017-01-29T16:39:10 < Rob235> no more drugs for me.. well, soon...
2017-01-29T16:41:31 < Steffanx> Just stop stoning.
2017-01-29T16:41:36 < Rob235> I did
2017-01-29T16:41:42 < Steffanx> Good :)
2017-01-29T16:41:43 < ReadError> Anne.Franks.Holocaust.2015.HDTV.x264-W4F
2017-01-29T16:41:44 < Rob235> feel great
2017-01-29T16:42:05 < Rob235> I havent touched alcohol in like 6 months
2017-01-29T16:42:07 < Steffanx> You ever were?
2017-01-29T16:42:32 < Steffanx> As a student?
2017-01-29T16:42:53 < ReadError> no longer drunk or no longer a drunk?
2017-01-29T16:43:24 < Rob235> good for you
2017-01-29T16:43:31 < Steffanx> Too bad we cannot believe crt. Drunks lies and crt lies.
2017-01-29T16:43:35 < Rob235> heh
2017-01-29T16:43:41 < Steffanx> -s
2017-01-29T16:43:52 < Rob235> maybe they cancel each other out and its all truths
2017-01-29T16:47:35 < Rob235> hmm, lifetime vpn subscription for $39. maybe I should route my vpn through a vpn for added security :P
2017-01-29T16:50:09 < Rob235> don't need any since it cant fly at the moment
2017-01-29T16:50:39 < Rob235> I'm not gettin the vpn deal though, dont need it
2017-01-29T16:52:21 < Steffanx> What did you do to it Rob235? It did kinda fly right?
2017-01-29T16:52:23 < Steffanx> or did you crash it
2017-01-29T16:53:20 < Rob235> oh its fine, I'm just changing up the pid control to a inner and outer loop instead of one loop so it doesn't have a working pid system at the moment and I have other stuff to worry about at the moment so its just been sitting in the closet
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2017-01-29T17:09:14 < Rob235> ok, I want to finish 1/3rd of the commenting for my drone (the only aspect I've been working on lately in order to post code for my resume), read at least 75 pages, and cook up some meals to freeze for at least the week. The apartment is pretty clean so I'm not gonna worry about that. (Just saying my todo list 'out loud' to help it happen)
2017-01-29T17:09:29 < Rob235> and I'm glad we talked about the pid control because I should get the new version working before I post the code
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2017-01-29T17:10:12 < Rob235> heh
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2017-01-29T19:14:26 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q music machine
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2017-01-29T19:38:54 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone have a PN for a right angle 4 pin molex header for CPU fan? Something like this but right angle -> https://www.moddiy.com/product_images/g/250/2510_4-Pin_%283_1%29_Male_Fan_Connector_-_Black__99642_zoom.jpg
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2017-01-29T19:46:34 < Steffanx> That song is cool and not even so bad kakimir :)
2017-01-29T19:53:45 < zyp> and that video is pretty old by now
2017-01-29T19:54:50 < Steffanx> That top.
2017-01-29T19:54:51 < Steffanx> O
2017-01-29T19:55:41 < ReadError> https://soundcloud.com/marshmellomusic/thealarm
2017-01-29T19:55:43 < aandrew> I remember that video
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2017-01-29T20:04:28 < aandrew> R2COM: what kind of specs are you after
2017-01-29T20:04:33 < aandrew> range, frequency, etc.
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2017-01-29T20:10:43 < aandrew> I think you'll find it hard to find 200MHz bandwidth current probe for cheap
2017-01-29T20:11:14 < aandrew> I mean a shunt is simple, but even a LEM or CT has pretty low frequency response
2017-01-29T20:11:52 < aandrew> you can try building your own around a rogowski coil and a high speed op amp
2017-01-29T20:13:29 < aandrew> there are a fair number of hits on "diy rogowski coil"
2017-01-29T20:16:19 < aandrew> you were asking for 200, now 1MHz is fine? heh
2017-01-29T20:17:05 < aandrew> they make other sensors too, at the ottom was a 50A one
2017-01-29T20:17:14 < aandrew> but I don't think you'll get mA-20A with any kind of accuracy
2017-01-29T20:20:37 < upgrdman> i was kinda hoping this would be a fail video  http://i.imgur.com/8WbwaCp.gifv
2017-01-29T20:30:32 < kakimir> I could see that sliding sideways and eolling around
2017-01-29T20:30:39 < kakimir> rolling
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2017-01-29T20:33:42 < karlp> hrm, we get ~mA from about 40mA to 60A with CTs.
2017-01-29T20:36:29 < kakimir> slidin what related to what?
2017-01-29T20:37:30 < kakimir> is zero
2017-01-29T20:44:07 < aandrew> karlp: what's your granularity? how many bits?
2017-01-29T20:44:29 < aandrew> and is that all within the linear region of the CT or are you characterizing and compensating beyond the knee?
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2017-01-29T23:16:16 < Laurenceb_> hello
2017-01-29T23:16:21 < Laurenceb_> here have a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X2ORSlPJ10
2017-01-29T23:16:27 < Laurenceb_> prob stm32 powered
2017-01-29T23:22:08 < kakimir> prob someone on this channel made th softwate
2017-01-29T23:23:02 < kakimir> it hase some penetrator in it?
2017-01-29T23:25:00 < Laurenceb_> looks like just modified hand grenades
2017-01-29T23:25:58 < kakimir> why tanks have hatches flying off?
2017-01-29T23:26:59 < kakimir> it seems also have low impact to surroundings
2017-01-29T23:27:33 < Laurenceb_> tanks wut
2017-01-29T23:27:54 < kakimir> turret door flew off
2017-01-29T23:28:01 < Laurenceb_> hand grenades are less dramatica irl than in hollywood
2017-01-29T23:28:06  * Laurenceb_ watches again
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2017-01-29T23:29:39 < Rob235> man, I thought I was being healthy buying this dried fruit and nut mix but its full of preservatives and artificial colors
2017-01-29T23:30:37 < Laurenceb_> Murican food
2017-01-29T23:30:45 < Laurenceb_> canned cancer
2017-01-29T23:30:56 < Rob235> I'm tryin to go healthy
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2017-01-29T23:36:47 < Steffanx> Yeah, in the EU and GB that doesn't happen..
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2017-01-29T23:40:56 < Steffanx> You only left four hours ago crt, go back to sleep.
2017-01-29T23:43:25 < Steffanx> Yes. You have to keep alice happy in dreamland
2017-01-29T23:44:13 < BrainDamage> generally tough it's not really colours and preservatives that make you unhealthy
2017-01-29T23:44:52 < BrainDamage> prepackaged food has very little fiber, and it's high in carbohydrates and fat because they are flavourful and spoil very little
2017-01-29T23:46:06 < BrainDamage> so you need to  exercise very strict portion control, wich is made even harder by the high energy density and the low satiety index
2017-01-29T23:47:41 < Rob235> I would like to gain weight, I just don't want saturated/trans fats or bad cholesterol
2017-01-29T23:48:03 < Rob235> or cancer
2017-01-29T23:48:11 < Rob235> already been down that road
2017-01-29T23:48:54 < BrainDamage> saturated fats and trans fats are cheap, flavourful and resist spoilage, hence why they are so ubiquious in commerical packaged food
2017-01-29T23:49:35 < BrainDamage> being bad for you is a nonissue since nearly every food regulation only deals with _acute_ issues, not chronic
2017-01-29T23:50:20 < BrainDamage> (nonissue for the manifacturers)
2017-01-29T23:51:05 < Rob235> I'm making my own food now, I hate eating (I have IBS) so I'm coming up with a good meal I can eat every day.  chicken coated in homemade mayo/avocado and spices and then panko bread crumbs, oven roasted broccoli with garlic, and mashed potatoes or something.
2017-01-29T23:52:13 < Rob235> something I can assembly line into the freezer
2017-01-29T23:54:23 < Rob235> pb&j and pb & banana for lunch and fruits and nuts for snacks
2017-01-29T23:56:07 < Rob235> natural peanut butter and jam without high fructose corn syrup...
2017-01-29T23:56:23 < Rob235> I guess I'll see how it goes, has to be better than soylent
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2017-01-29T23:56:41 < BrainDamage> high fructose corn syroup is no worse than sucrose, health wise
2017-01-29T23:56:48 < Rob235> I think its bad for ibs
2017-01-29T23:56:57 < BrainDamage> the problem is that sucrose isn't good for you
2017-01-29T23:57:37 < Rob235> I'm looking for good fats for energy like avocado and nuts
2017-01-29T23:58:43 < Rob235> I dont know much about food and dont really care to learn so i'm just gathering some quick info and trying stuff out
2017-01-29T23:59:43 < Rob235> I 'obtained' a collection of 140 introductory books on random topics and one is food and has all this info in it.  Maybe I should skim through it
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2017-01-30T00:12:17 < englishman> eat fruit
2017-01-30T00:12:25 < englishman> dried fruit is the opposite of healthy
2017-01-30T00:12:39 < englishman> anything that comes out of a nozzle is not good
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2017-01-30T00:22:00 < kakimir> was is sun dried?
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2017-01-30T00:36:04 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/pKUNWpi
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2017-01-30T00:50:36 < Rob235> how could dried fruit possibly be the opposite of healthy...
2017-01-30T00:50:47 < Rob235> and what are you talking about that comes out of a nozzle?
2017-01-30T00:53:13 < Rob235> aside from the sugar concentration being higher
2017-01-30T00:54:06 < englishman> do you not know enough about food to know the difference between an apple and processed, boiled apple pulp mixed with preservatives and sugar and extruded before being individually packaged
2017-01-30T00:55:13 < Laurenceb_> http://www.spacex.com/hyperloop
2017-01-30T00:55:16 < Laurenceb_> nice glasses
2017-01-30T00:55:29 < englishman> why pay more money for processed preservative-laden food
2017-01-30T00:55:38 < englishman> an apple will last like a week at home
2017-01-30T00:56:01 < Rob235> why do you assume its pulped and processed?
2017-01-30T00:56:02 < englishman> fresh fruit is flown in from other countries daily so you can have fresh mangoes in january
2017-01-30T00:56:09 < Laurenceb_> looks like the "bro" from patriarchy comics
2017-01-30T00:56:26 < ohsix> buns
2017-01-30T00:56:40 < Rob235> this is a stupid conversation, im not wasting my time
2017-01-30T00:56:59 < englishman> good diea
2017-01-30T00:57:00 < ohsix> oh shit walking in on gold for 2 days in a row
2017-01-30T00:57:03 < ohsix> #blessed
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2017-01-30T01:18:52 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/PfiWFcy.jpg
2017-01-30T01:19:12 < englishman> hey upgrdman 
2017-01-30T01:19:19 < englishman> electroshoppe only had like 16g motor wire
2017-01-30T01:19:30 < englishman> so i unwound some hobbyking motor, now i have a lifetime supply
2017-01-30T01:19:32 < englishman> thx
2017-01-30T01:20:35 < upgrdman> yay
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2017-01-30T02:04:46 < karlp> aandrew: well, it's not a single adc reading to get to mA, that's 100ms windows.  and that's linear region of the cts.  There's a bit of a knee up on the very low end.
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2017-01-30T03:05:23 < Thorn> wing stall https://youtu.be/SXwVyxorvno?t=56s
2017-01-30T03:14:21 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-01-30T03:14:27 < dongs> flyback: who are you cahtting to
2017-01-30T03:15:37 < ohsix> TFW thorn realizes it
2017-01-30T03:16:49 < ohsix> lewl dave anthony has open dms and answers them, he's kewl
2017-01-30T03:17:00 < ohsix> need to find someone irl like that
2017-01-30T03:17:15 < ohsix> too many people to agree with here
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2017-01-30T03:19:16 < dongs> no youre not
2017-01-30T03:28:37 < Laurenceb_> is there an alternative stream?
2017-01-30T03:29:46 < dongs> flyback: that jewtube is old as fuck also description is wrong
2017-01-30T03:30:00 < dongs> wasnt stalling, the load wasn't tied down and shifted during take off
2017-01-30T03:30:40 < dongs> obviously
2017-01-30T03:30:51 < dongs> oh, you said the load shifting shit
2017-01-30T03:30:57 < dongs> of course I didnt read.
2017-01-30T03:30:59 < dongs> lolo
2017-01-30T03:33:20 < ohsix> not that scary
2017-01-30T03:33:24 < ohsix> see: trump fits
2017-01-30T03:34:40 < Laurenceb_> oops wrong channel
2017-01-30T03:34:51 < dongs> Laurenceb_: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-01-30T03:35:07 < dongs> o6 should be renamed to rust6 now
2017-01-30T03:35:25 < ohsix> does an alternative stream have alternative facts on it
2017-01-30T03:35:49 < ohsix> howru Laurenceb_ been a while
2017-01-30T03:36:04 < Laurenceb_> not so bad, bored as usual
2017-01-30T03:36:04 < ohsix> the horse person i was talking with is chasing a bunch of funding lul
2017-01-30T03:36:09 < ohsix> werd
2017-01-30T03:36:10 < Laurenceb_> I see
2017-01-30T03:36:21 < Laurenceb_> that reminds me, I also need to try for some horse funding
2017-01-30T03:36:28 < ohsix> ya she got some advice to use intel curie (lololol) cuz intel might throw money at it
2017-01-30T03:36:31  * Laurenceb_ is watching http://www.spacex.com/hyperloop
2017-01-30T03:36:34 < Laurenceb_> heh intel
2017-01-30T03:36:34 < ohsix> since intel fails big in new markets
2017-01-30T03:36:37 < dongs> dickstarter.com
2017-01-30T03:36:50 < Laurenceb_> stream is so glitchy
2017-01-30T03:36:54 < dongs> is spacex flying again
2017-01-30T03:37:11 < ohsix> but the sleeve thing she had all this stuff written up and patented for, she's trying to parlay that into geriatric care sleeves
2017-01-30T03:37:22 < dongs> 1/14/2017IRIDIUM (FLIGHT 1)
2017-01-30T03:37:24 < dongs> oh wat
2017-01-30T03:37:29 < dongs> they launched iridium last week?
2017-01-30T03:37:38 < ohsix> it's interesting, not talking shit or anything, but it is long long longer term than i'm used to, and not much is happening yet
2017-01-30T03:38:41 < Laurenceb_> dongs: yes, 100% success
2017-01-30T03:38:48 < dongs> cool
2017-01-30T03:38:49 < Laurenceb_> but I'd never go near their stupid rocket
2017-01-30T03:38:56 < dongs> how'd i miss that
2017-01-30T03:38:59 < Laurenceb_> they have porous CF immersed in LOX
2017-01-30T03:39:01 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-01-30T03:39:18 < Laurenceb_> just look at it wrong and it will explode
2017-01-30T03:39:36 < ohsix> i brought a book to show her the intro of, because it shows an example about muscle noise in an ekg and recursive filter models
2017-01-30T03:39:55 < dongs> iridium is weird, tehy were out of business a while ago and then someone bailed htem out and bought thier satellite array and now looks like whoever did that made enough money to stick next gen array tehre
2017-01-30T03:40:00 < Laurenceb_> interesting, which book is this?
2017-01-30T03:40:04 < ohsix> she borrowed it and i'm irrationally worried about it
2017-01-30T03:40:12 < ohsix> eh just a tiny one from the 80s, looking for a pdf already
2017-01-30T03:40:37 < ohsix> it's a $random find so it's not one of the well known ones or anything
2017-01-30T03:41:54 < ohsix> https://www.amazon.com/Designing-Digital-Prentice-Hall-Information-Sciences/dp/013201856X
2017-01-30T03:42:43 < ohsix> you can probably get it through interlibrary loan, if not buy it outright, it's like tenbux on amazon
2017-01-30T03:42:56 < Laurenceb_> ah ok thanks
2017-01-30T03:43:02 < Laurenceb_> think I've heard of it
2017-01-30T03:43:06 < Laurenceb_> oh wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPsdJtGmhtQ
2017-01-30T03:43:10 < Laurenceb_> MIT failed epically
2017-01-30T03:43:27 < ohsix> i haven't read it yet so i dunno if it actually really explores the example really well :D
2017-01-30T03:44:10 < Laurenceb_> cant see the "WARR" yet
2017-01-30T03:44:28  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2017-01-30T03:44:29 < ohsix> why is hyperloop interesting
2017-01-30T03:44:33 < Laurenceb_> execting more fail tomorrow
2017-01-30T03:44:36 < Laurenceb_> good question
2017-01-30T03:44:53 < ohsix> the thing about those trains and other shits, you spend half the time accelerating, reach max speed for only a moment then decellerate
2017-01-30T03:44:59 < ohsix> otherwise it's garbage
2017-01-30T03:45:22 < ohsix> all of those things that promise lower friction or whatever
2017-01-30T03:45:32 < ohsix> the friction isn't the problem, moving the mass is
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2017-01-30T03:49:24 < dongs> oh shit nice
2017-01-30T03:49:32 < dongs> new iridium can track planes anywhere
2017-01-30T03:58:37 < zyp> yeah?
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2017-01-30T04:17:25 < ohsix> lul there are some truly angry bros on twitter
2017-01-30T04:17:46 < ohsix> it is kind of a reversal of fortune, the stereotype of the basement dwelling nerd with no life just pissing people off
2017-01-30T04:18:01 < ohsix> there are just a bunch of pissed off people, and you might happen to be able to poke them as they go by
2017-01-30T04:20:20 < jadew> dongs, link?
2017-01-30T04:22:06 < jadew> http://www.nature.com/news/hybrid-zoo-introducing-pig-human-embryos-and-a-rat-mouse-1.21378
2017-01-30T04:24:51 < jadew> it looks like soon we'll have easily available spare parts
2017-01-30T04:36:48 < ohsix> dunno man
2017-01-30T04:37:07 < ohsix> the world is a crazy place right now, in terms of 'easy' the ethical concerns of just taking them from someone else might go away
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2017-01-30T04:52:42 < dongs> jadew: was mentioend during interview at beginning of spacex launch shitcast
2017-01-30T04:52:45 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTmbSur4fcs
2017-01-30T04:52:54 < dongs> a few mins in, i forgot timestamp
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2017-01-30T04:54:29 < jadew> thanks
2017-01-30T04:56:04 < dongs> when he talks to iridium ceo guy
2017-01-30T05:18:21 < dongs> pump it up
2017-01-30T05:18:39 < dongs> what's new in the world of nonfunctional languages
2017-01-30T05:19:11 < dongs> again?
2017-01-30T05:19:47 < dongs> anti-autism sunscreen
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2017-01-30T05:30:26 < jadew> I'm reading about primary school stuff
2017-01-30T05:30:45 < jadew> they're teaching religion in the pre-primary school year :/
2017-01-30T05:30:47 < jadew> and it's not optional
2017-01-30T05:31:04 < ohsix> who what
2017-01-30T05:31:25 < jadew> so I now have to find a private school for my kid so he can do primary school there
2017-01-30T05:31:27 < ohsix> that isn't necessarily a bad thing, but there's also usually not enough information about that shit huhu
2017-01-30T05:31:47 < jadew> ohsix, it's bad, I had religion in school too, it's stupid
2017-01-30T05:31:49 < ohsix> o
2017-01-30T05:31:54 < ohsix> ya
2017-01-30T05:32:05 < ohsix> it is stupid, but you're still their parents and they'll be badasses
2017-01-30T05:32:23 < ohsix> hopefully they ask you about all sorts of stupid shit they hear, not just religious garbage
2017-01-30T05:33:36 < ohsix> it's harder to not teach religion
2017-01-30T05:33:39 < jadew> he never even heard about this stuff so far
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2017-01-30T05:33:53 < jadew> it's surprisingly easy for now
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2017-01-30T05:34:30 < jadew> despite his grandparents being religious
2017-01-30T05:34:43 < jadew> they know that if he says anything religious to me, they're cut from seeing him
2017-01-30T05:36:01 < jadew> our religious ideas are pretty stupid to begin with
2017-01-30T05:36:06 < jadew> may be different in other countries
2017-01-30T05:37:29 < jadew> anyway, my options right now are to find a private school or start a riot and a petition against this shit
2017-01-30T05:37:52 < jadew> (considering we're a secular state!)
2017-01-30T05:38:08 < ohsix> hrm
2017-01-30T05:38:35 < ohsix> might not be the best way to do stuff, thoguh i dont' know how religious your parents are, if they have to act weird around the kid that's not good
2017-01-30T05:38:58 < ohsix> people acting weird made me curious about shit i'd have done well to not know
2017-01-30T05:39:02 < jadew> they have to act normal
2017-01-30T05:39:21 < dongs> awesome
2017-01-30T05:39:26 < dongs> updated dixus7 to 5.0.1
2017-01-30T05:39:33 < dongs> it popped up update for 6.whatever
2017-01-30T05:39:42 < dongs> 'waiting to download'
2017-01-30T05:39:47 < dongs> apparently needs google account to do that
2017-01-30T05:39:50 < dongs> registered an account
2017-01-30T05:40:03 < jadew> now it has all your contacts
2017-01-30T05:40:07 < dongs> downloading. come back in a few mins, turn it on, settings has closed
2017-01-30T05:40:08 < jadew> and your info
2017-01-30T05:40:22 < dongs> try open google play/settings, updates tab is gone
2017-01-30T05:40:26 < dongs> play asks me to re-verify my account
2017-01-30T05:40:32 < dongs> go to add accounts, google account gone from list
2017-01-30T05:40:40 < dongs> try to add, google no longer an option to add
2017-01-30T05:40:43 < dongs> fucking pro shit guyts.
2017-01-30T05:41:26 < ohsix> i know what that is
2017-01-30T05:42:06 < dongs> im about to switch to microsoft edge for my daily browsing
2017-01-30T05:42:18 < ohsix> it's 15% faster than chrome don't you know
2017-01-30T05:43:18 < ohsix> http://yihua-soldering.com/product-2-1-soldering-rework-station-en/147672 what's the deal with the colors, i'm confused about what their website is for, are they selling white label stuff, and buyers are going to do new silkscreen/case/color options?
2017-01-30T05:44:09 < ohsix> the yihua ones are among the cheapest 853d clones and they're also the best build quality, it's weird; ones twice the price look/work/feel like garbage
2017-01-30T05:44:24 < jadew> oh, it looks they changed the law
2017-01-30T05:44:26 < jadew> it's optional!
2017-01-30T05:44:28 < jadew> pfew...
2017-01-30T05:44:50 < dongs> oh wow wat
2017-01-30T05:44:58 < dongs> no keyboard shortcuts in rightclick menus in edge
2017-01-30T05:45:00 < dongs> the fuck?
2017-01-30T05:45:09 < ohsix> jadew: great!
2017-01-30T05:45:17 < dongs> rightclick/w to open in new window, now i have to clic ktwice
2017-01-30T05:45:26 < dongs> i wonder if anyone at microsoft actually use that shit
2017-01-30T05:45:40 < ohsix> huhu man now that i've used a hot air thing ... i use it for a ton of shit, nevermind rework, i need oen just for hot air
2017-01-30T05:46:06 < dongs> gray titlebar despite the fact that all my OTHER desktop windows are blue
2017-01-30T05:46:31 < dongs> animations on comboboxes
2017-01-30T05:46:35 < dongs> despite me turning that off in global settings
2017-01-30T05:46:37 < dongs> hoookay
2017-01-30T05:47:03 < jadew> dongs, so why are you using edge?
2017-01-30T05:47:06 < ohsix> heh the ones withotu the dc power supply are only 50bux http://www.ebay.com/itm/YiHUA-852D-110V-Electric-SMD-Rework-ESD-Soldering-Iron-Station-Hot-Air-Gun-Kit-/381892461917?hash=item58ea90855d:g:SKUAAOSwJQdXDGm5
2017-01-30T05:47:25 < jadew> I gave it a try too, but I just couldn't get used to it
2017-01-30T05:47:30 < jadew> the notes thing is nice
2017-01-30T05:48:09 < jadew> ohsix, I have a similar one
2017-01-30T05:51:13 < jadew> that reads like a gay erotic novel
2017-01-30T05:51:44 < jadew> (I assume!)
2017-01-30T05:56:18 < ohsix> why are tiny wrench kits so expensive
2017-01-30T05:56:44 < ohsix> jadew: word, lab has kendal ones, one of the people that uses the lab bought a yihua, i was surprised how much better it was
2017-01-30T05:57:04 < ohsix> they had fit plastic inserts for the displays instead of just a janky red sheet of plastic, and all the displays responded much faster to adjustment and shit
2017-01-30T05:58:54 < ohsix> lul i'm looking for a picture of the kendal to see if it has an air speed knob (i dont' think it does) and the only soldering station picture i can find is of that guys' yihua
2017-01-30T06:01:39 < dongs> how the fuck is hangouts 70 fucking megabytres
2017-01-30T06:01:47 < dongs> you cant even fucking share a photo from chat session to other apps
2017-01-30T06:01:51 < dongs> basic fucking functionality is missing
2017-01-30T06:02:20 < ohsix> oh hahah it has a knob but it is unmarked
2017-01-30T06:02:22 < ohsix> nice
2017-01-30T06:06:01 < ohsix> kendal http://i.imgur.com/Gv8RW7a.jpg vs. yihua http://i.imgur.com/1QKBCcS.jpg
2017-01-30T06:16:41 < ohsix> it all
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2017-01-30T06:47:20 < upgrdman> typical prius driver  http://imgur.com/a/7BGcn
2017-01-30T06:47:56 < ohsix> http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=motors+for+makers&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def this book is p. ok
2017-01-30T06:48:45 < ohsix> what's with the dvds upgrdman 
2017-01-30T06:49:08 < ohsix> oh god hahah in the back seat there's a portable hob
2017-01-30T06:49:21 < ohsix> you know why they've got that, their kitchen is full of shit and they need to plug it in somewhere else
2017-01-30T06:49:28 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/ZrEGzCB.jpg
2017-01-30T06:49:57 < ohsix> safety glasses in the footwell
2017-01-30T06:51:20 < ohsix> the red box is a le carre audio book
2017-01-30T06:53:09 < ohsix> http://images.penguinrandomhouse.com/cover/9780735220775
2017-01-30T06:53:16 < ohsix> who is this person hahah
2017-01-30T06:53:56 < ohsix> it is adding up to an almost legitimate mess, someone who drives on the road full time
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2017-01-30T07:07:36 < ohsix> LOL 16GB RAM
2017-01-30T07:07:49 < ohsix> vm's didn't seem slow before, installing win10 and it is like it isn't even happening
2017-01-30T07:08:05 < ohsix> i guess cuz ~none of the io is hitting disk
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2017-01-30T08:46:58 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/GKAoc
2017-01-30T08:47:01 < ReadError> these are always good
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2017-01-30T08:50:48 < dongs> watr]
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2017-01-30T15:15:23 < dongs> pumpin' it
2017-01-30T15:15:32 < dongs> gotta put this F302 board back on my desk
2017-01-30T15:15:39 < dongs> finish a couple drivers and start on the main app
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2017-01-30T15:17:24 < dongs> but this place only charges $20 to fix my shit, that must be more legit than crt's ripoff services, inc.
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2017-01-30T15:32:51 < ReadError> speaking of cunts..
2017-01-30T15:34:47 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10177775&cid=53763155
2017-01-30T15:35:06 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-01-30T15:35:33 < ReadError> unfunny Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-30T15:37:41 < Laurenceb_> anyone watch the hyperloop livestream?
2017-01-30T15:38:10 < Laurenceb_> I saw an electric wheelchair from MIT crashing inside a sewer
2017-01-30T15:40:03 < Laurenceb_> murican innovation
2017-01-30T15:40:32 < Laurenceb_>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPsdJtGmhtQ
2017-01-30T15:40:59 < Steffanx> Dutchies wheelchair won.
2017-01-30T15:41:29 < Laurenceb_> heh no surprise
2017-01-30T15:41:33 < Laurenceb_> is there a video?
2017-01-30T15:42:09 < Steffanx> Isnt it in that youtube vid?
2017-01-30T15:42:09 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csAXt0qzSnA
2017-01-30T15:42:15 < Laurenceb_> foudn it
2017-01-30T15:43:05 < Laurenceb_> didnt go very far
2017-01-30T15:44:17 < Steffanx> It still won
2017-01-30T15:44:38 < Laurenceb_> I will never understand hyperloop
2017-01-30T15:44:50 < Laurenceb_> silly project
2017-01-30T15:45:54 < Steffanx> Your posts tend to be silly too, you dont stop either
2017-01-30T15:46:23 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/5qyehx/rloop_has_won_the_innovation_award_at_the_spacex/?st=iyk5eic3&sh=a81bbbd6
2017-01-30T15:47:14 < zyp> Laurenceb_, what part of it is it that you find silly?
2017-01-30T15:47:28 < Laurenceb_> zyp: everything
2017-01-30T15:47:49 < Laurenceb_> prob starting with the pathetic speed and tiny payloa dvolume
2017-01-30T15:48:05 < Laurenceb_> also the tube that will fail if you hit it with a large hammer
2017-01-30T15:49:33 < Laurenceb_> half the points here are stupid but I'll link it anyway
2017-01-30T15:49:35 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk
2017-01-30T15:50:15 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Thunderf00t
2017-01-30T15:51:11 < Laurenceb_> Thunderfoot is severely autistic, as he is obsessed with Anita Sarkeesian. 
2017-01-30T15:51:22 < zyp> I thought the speed was on par with airliners
2017-01-30T15:51:50 < BrainDamage> and you're obsesed with hyperloop, rockoons, and shitposting from imageboards
2017-01-30T15:52:23 < Laurenceb_> epin bantz
2017-01-30T15:52:36 < Laurenceb_> zyp: it's only that fast in Musks imagination
2017-01-30T15:53:14 < Laurenceb_>  his ZOMG Creationists R Stoopid LOLOLOL series. His series (now counting to 38 tedious videos) is hailed as an opus of genius 
2017-01-30T15:53:21 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling
2017-01-30T15:53:31 < Steffanx> I feel sorry for you
2017-01-30T15:53:50 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should become a youtube e-celeb too
2017-01-30T15:54:22 < Steffanx> Dobt forget to wear that fancy tie.
2017-01-30T15:54:31 < Steffanx> Dont
2017-01-30T15:55:42 < Laurenceb_> right, bbl
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2017-01-30T15:56:03 < Steffanx> Before it gets expensive because an eceleb owns one?
2017-01-30T15:56:05 < englishman> Laurenceb_: wtf are they 'testing'
2017-01-30T15:56:16 < englishman> i turned on the livestream like 3 times but it was just some hipster blogging
2017-01-30T15:59:47 < Steffanx> Http://time.is/australia
2017-01-30T15:59:54 < englishman> Laurenceb_: so its some carriage that propels the pod?
2017-01-30T16:00:02 < englishman> why does the pod stop after like 3ft?
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2017-01-30T16:00:18 < englishman> fuck you too!
2017-01-30T16:00:38 < englishman> Steffanx: crt is up late working, he can get stuff done because he uses pro tools like Keil
2017-01-30T16:00:51 < dongs> that is true
2017-01-30T16:01:52 < Steffanx> "Uses"
2017-01-30T16:02:25 < dongs> keil pro tools are FREE if you're "using" F0/L0
2017-01-30T16:03:32 < dongs> 15917 Fixed a regression bug where an access violation occurred in 'KERNELBASE.dll' when dragging Via.
2017-01-30T16:03:52 < dongs> pro tools
2017-01-30T16:03:58 < dongs> drag via, get rekt
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2017-01-30T16:34:35 < aandrew> karlp: oh yeah, I seem to remember now. you work on the flatter (after the knee) area of the CT
2017-01-30T16:37:37 < aandrew> we were always using the steeper, below the knee area
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2017-01-30T17:33:36 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2-FcsC9n2s
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2017-01-30T17:47:13 < Laurenceb> <englishman> why does the pod stop after like 3ft?
2017-01-30T17:47:16 < Laurenceb> cuz it failed
2017-01-30T17:47:19 < Laurenceb> lulz
2017-01-30T17:47:29 < englishman> but its literally a soapbox racer
2017-01-30T17:47:32 < Laurenceb> its supposed to be a "transport train system"
2017-01-30T17:47:35 < Laurenceb> I know right
2017-01-30T17:47:41 < Laurenceb> its was truly epic fail
2017-01-30T17:47:55 < Laurenceb> I turned off after seeing the first one
2017-01-30T17:48:02 < englishman> i didnt even wait that long
2017-01-30T17:48:11 < englishman> what is the reason for such amazingly poor performance
2017-01-30T17:48:18 < englishman> i can push a hotwheels further than that
2017-01-30T17:48:21 < Laurenceb> http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p145/wakou/disappoint_zps31167589.jpg
2017-01-30T17:48:41 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10X-Small-Terminal-Plastic-Power-Charger-Box-Enclosure-2-16-1-37-0-59-L-W-H-/161410337628
2017-01-30T17:48:46 < Laurenceb> dunno, I was hoping that they would manage to achieve something
2017-01-30T17:48:52 < Laurenceb> guess uni teams just suck that hard
2017-01-30T17:49:00 < englishman> normally, yea
2017-01-30T17:49:07 < englishman> but mit is supposed to not suck as much
2017-01-30T17:49:11 < englishman> maybe they should stick to train sets
2017-01-30T17:49:29 < Laurenceb> heh yeah mit seemed to jam against the "rail" and semi crash
2017-01-30T17:50:43 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/63-x-58-x-35mm-Waterproof-Plastic-Enclosure-Case-Small-Project-Box-/311433887517 nice small waterproof thing
2017-01-30T17:51:19 < Laurenceb> kakimir confirmed as local DIY store
2017-01-30T17:51:41 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/zfE4dxE.jpg
2017-01-30T17:53:21 < Laurenceb> I should try some laser sintered nylon enclosures
2017-01-30T17:53:26 < Laurenceb> quality is almost good enough
2017-01-30T17:54:58 < Laurenceb> maybe gelcoat or something on the outside
2017-01-30T17:55:18 < kakimir> such as mess
2017-01-30T17:55:20 < kakimir> what for?
2017-01-30T17:55:32 < Laurenceb> projects
2017-01-30T17:57:25 < Laurenceb> holy shit I dont believe it
2017-01-30T17:57:27 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/hyperloop/comments/5qx8h7/why_are_speeds_so_slow/
2017-01-30T17:57:47 < Laurenceb> they weren't even motorised, they used a spacex "pusher" unit
2017-01-30T18:00:21 < Laurenceb> Every high level team was planning on doing over 300 km/h on this track. The whole point of the competition is to see how fast we can go.
2017-01-30T18:02:15 < kakimir> where is the video?
2017-01-30T18:02:15 < englishman> haha
2017-01-30T18:02:54 < Laurenceb> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPsdJtGmhtQ
2017-01-30T18:03:17 < englishman> apparently spacex fails at airlocks too
2017-01-30T18:03:23 < englishman> they had to pressurize the whole tube between cars
2017-01-30T18:04:20 < kakimir> boring
2017-01-30T18:04:42 < kakimir> they have electric car in the tube?
2017-01-30T18:04:57 < englishman> well its probably not a diesel
2017-01-30T18:05:07 < kakimir> hey why not use electric car instead of that turbine thing?
2017-01-30T18:06:28 < dongs> what will it drive against
2017-01-30T18:06:42 < dongs> the point of that shit is supposedly its floating frictionless in the tube
2017-01-30T18:06:58 < englishman> trump has given the CIA 30 days to destroy isis
2017-01-30T18:08:11 < dongs> really?
2017-01-30T18:08:26 < kakimir> just shut down the funding
2017-01-30T18:13:11 < BrainDamage> I give trump 10 days to make america great again
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2017-01-30T18:19:17 < Steffanx> Englishman, you already started destroying them in quebec it seemed
2017-01-30T18:19:45 < englishman> yeah, we are celebrating our diversity by using mixed race terrorists
2017-01-30T18:20:20 < englishman> potentially gay mixed-race terrorists
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2017-01-30T18:25:20 < Laurenceb> http://cuck.com/?reqp=1&reqr=
2017-01-30T18:25:28 < Laurenceb> Price: £7,968.76
2017-01-30T18:25:35 < Laurenceb> should I buy?
2017-01-30T18:26:59 < Laurenceb> I could be the king of cuck
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2017-01-30T18:33:41 < Kliment> englishman: Easy - rename them to Shi-I-A
2017-01-30T18:33:57 < Kliment> englishman: And Daesh will blow themselves up in anger
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2017-01-30T18:45:58 < kakimir> Laurenceb: empty page
2017-01-30T18:46:05 < kakimir> screencuck it
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2017-01-30T18:59:24 < englishman> http://www.pcmag.com/news/351256/dropbox-bug-restores-deleted-files-7-years-later
2017-01-30T18:59:25 < englishman> lol
2017-01-30T19:00:30 < englishman> why does this horrible company still exist
2017-01-30T19:02:24 < Fleck> why this horrible englishman still exist? :D
2017-01-30T19:02:40 < englishman> hi Fleck, what are you raging about today?
2017-01-30T19:02:57 < Fleck> nothin!
2017-01-30T19:03:15 < BrainDamage> you don't rely on goodwill for data confidentiality anyway
2017-01-30T19:03:21 < BrainDamage> that's why you use encryption
2017-01-30T19:03:31 < Fleck> +1
2017-01-30T19:04:52 < BrainDamage> I actually use dropbox with encfs on top to share a git repo of a project I'm working with some friends, it works rather well
2017-01-30T19:06:39 < englishman> heh, nice
2017-01-30T19:07:15 < dongs> lol dropcocks
2017-01-30T19:07:38 < dongs> BrainDamage: so you you have a shitty fucking slow python-based cloud garbage storage shit and you add another layer of python shit on top of that, and then use it with git?
2017-01-30T19:07:47 < dongs> might as well just save your git repositories to floppies
2017-01-30T19:08:35 < BrainDamage> except none of those are python?
2017-01-30T19:08:44 < dongs> dropcox client is python
2017-01-30T19:08:50 < dongs> the fakedrive bullshit on windows.
2017-01-30T19:09:04 < BrainDamage> also, even if they were, it's not like performance of pushing few kB data is noticeable
2017-01-30T19:12:38 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/760155439/zero-patience-gaming-needs-a-desktop
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2017-01-30T19:30:55 < aandrew> hahahaha
2017-01-30T19:31:10 < aandrew> don't those guys know they need to use gofundme for modern day panhandling
2017-01-30T19:33:04 < dongs> BREAKING: Attacker storms Big Chefs restaurant in Instabunl's Beykoz district, opens fire; multiple injuries reported
2017-01-30T19:33:39 < dongs> someone got angry not enough kebab
2017-01-30T19:34:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/dXWMQff.jpg attn englishman 
2017-01-30T19:35:25 < englishman> i just tweeted that to someone else actually
2017-01-30T19:35:31 < dongs> lol
2017-01-30T19:35:42 < dongs> I just got tweet from someone else
2017-01-30T19:35:43 < dongs> wiht it
2017-01-30T19:35:44 < englishman> current status of lil dongs http://i.imgur.com/fs22CyI.jpg
2017-01-30T19:41:04 < Steffanx> That food again?
2017-01-30T19:41:24 < BrainDamage> is that poutine?
2017-01-30T19:41:38 < englishman> yes
2017-01-30T19:43:18 < emeb> didn't know poutine had peas
2017-01-30T19:43:51 < englishman> this is poutine galvaude
2017-01-30T19:43:55 < englishman> with peas and chicken
2017-01-30T19:44:27 < emeb> englishman lives in .ca?
2017-01-30T19:44:35 < englishman> .qc.ca
2017-01-30T19:44:40 < emeb> but of course
2017-01-30T19:45:04 < englishman> the mosque that got shot up is on my commute
2017-01-30T19:45:09 < emeb> gah!
2017-01-30T19:45:22 < emeb> bet that made for some fun traffic
2017-01-30T19:45:25 < englishman> yeah, traffic was terrible
2017-01-30T19:45:25 < englishman> lol
2017-01-30T19:45:31 < BrainDamage> why is there no baguette next to it then
2017-01-30T19:45:40 < englishman> the cat ate it all
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2017-01-30T19:45:46  * emeb visited Quebec once many years ago. 
2017-01-30T19:45:51 < englishman> sorry to hear that
2017-01-30T19:46:03 < emeb> Was summer - pleasant
2017-01-30T19:46:19 < englishman> tis
2017-01-30T19:49:30  * emeb twiddles thumbs whilst waiting for Vivado to install
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2017-01-30T20:00:57 < Laurenceb> I was hoping someone would attack 5 guys
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2017-01-30T20:01:37 < Laurenceb> http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/gamergate/images/3/34/ZoeQuinn_PhilFish-FiveGuys.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141110051630
2017-01-30T20:02:04 < Laurenceb> http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/ZoeQuinn.jpg
2017-01-30T20:02:29 < zyp> I ate at five guys last time I were in the US, they had pretty damn good burgers
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2017-01-30T20:06:12 < Rob235> yea not bad
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2017-01-30T20:40:52 < ReadError> the fries are good
2017-01-30T20:41:04 < ReadError> and the cajun sneasoning 
2017-01-30T20:42:34 < gxti> a small fry can feed a family of 5
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2017-01-30T21:01:49 < Steffanx> Is your lastname bisonnette englishman?
2017-01-30T21:05:22 < fenugrec> not a very english name
2017-01-30T21:06:55 < Steffanx> but englishman is canuck, so it's a possibility
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2017-01-30T21:15:31 < englishman> currently chatting from le prison
2017-01-30T21:15:56 < fenugrec> orsainville ? heh
2017-01-30T21:17:26 < Steffanx> Wouldn't it be "La prison" englishman? :P
2017-01-30T21:17:50 < englishman> shows how much i know
2017-01-30T21:18:11 < Steffanx> Also "chatting" suits you too. => Catting much.
2017-01-30T21:18:26 < englishman> only thing i really know is the gungrabbers will have a big party
2017-01-30T21:18:47 < Steffanx> They'll break you out?
2017-01-30T21:19:10 < englishman> there will be new bans on assault glocks and semi automatic terrorist AK47s
2017-01-30T21:37:40 < Rickta59> looks like chicken pot pie without the pie and carrots englishman 
2017-01-30T21:37:59 < Rickta59> i guess foam container is less calories
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2017-01-30T22:11:14 < jadew> BrainDamage, when we needed that, we got a rPI and hosted the git repo there
2017-01-30T22:12:01 < jadew> super cheap and you get both privacy and encryption
2017-01-30T22:13:02 < upgrdman> jadew, have you played with GOGS or Gitea or similar?
2017-01-30T22:13:53 < jadew> trying to figure out what they are
2017-01-30T22:14:05 < upgrdman> they are self-hosted github
2017-01-30T22:14:10 < upgrdman> e.g. web interface
2017-01-30T22:14:19 < jadew> ah, no, we didn't have a web interface
2017-01-30T22:14:26 < jadew> we used gitolite for administration
2017-01-30T22:14:29 < upgrdman> so you could make, like, http://shithub.jadew.xxx/
2017-01-30T22:14:42 < jadew> and relied on the local git clients for visualization
2017-01-30T22:14:42 < Steffanx> I run gogs
2017-01-30T22:14:51 < upgrdman> Steffanx, like it? any quirks?
2017-01-30T22:14:59 < Steffanx> It works for me.
2017-01-30T22:15:20 < Steffanx> Installed it in a jail on my nas. No issues so far
2017-01-30T22:15:25 < jadew> looks nice
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2017-01-30T22:35:13 < upgrdman> if i do     foo * bar / bar, will the compiler optimize that too foo? its integer division so its not necassariliy foo.
2017-01-30T22:35:23 < upgrdman> guess i should use parenthesis
2017-01-30T22:35:58 < zyp> what do you mean, short of overflow, foo * bar / bar will equal foo
2017-01-30T22:36:24 < upgrdman> foo = 4     bar = 5     4 / 5 * 5 should be 0
2017-01-30T22:36:35 < zyp> that's not what you wrote.
2017-01-30T22:36:36 < upgrdman> err
2017-01-30T22:36:38 < upgrdman> oops ya
2017-01-30T22:36:43 < upgrdman> i mean foo / bar * bar :)
2017-01-30T22:37:00 < jadew> I don't think either of those will be optimized out
2017-01-30T22:37:21 < upgrdman> guess i should stop being a lazy faggot and just test them
2017-01-30T22:37:45 < zyp> this sounds similar to the -ffast-math concerns
2017-01-30T22:38:04 < zyp> but I think -ffast-math is mostly float rounding rules
2017-01-30T22:42:32 < fenugrec> I wouldn't trust gcc too much - it's pretty good at this, but sometimes it can't see through macros and simple math and leaves runtime mul / div ops in there
2017-01-30T22:42:59 < zyp> «can't see through macros» heh
2017-01-30T22:43:37 < zyp> you know, by the time the compiler gets to work, the preprocessor have already performed all macro substitutions so there's no macros left to see through?
2017-01-30T22:45:01 < fenugrec> haha what ! I just didn't distinguish the PP and compilation phases, of course you're right. But my point stands
2017-01-30T22:45:37 < jadew> so far gcc has been fairly predictable for me
2017-01-30T22:46:17 < jadew> expect only math that uses compile-time constants to be optimized out
2017-01-30T22:46:57 < jadew> the only time that sort of math could be optimized out, like foo * bar / bar
2017-01-30T22:47:26 < jadew> is when you cast foo to something that's bigger than foo * bar can be
2017-01-30T22:47:51 < jadew> but I don't know if the compiler sees that optimization opportunity
2017-01-30T22:47:58 < fenugrec> yeah well... I had delay loop macros with stuff like #define ITERS xtal_freq * garbage / scaler , and I was left with mul and divs in the asm.
2017-01-30T22:48:02 < zyp> well, for integer types with defined overflow behavior, gcc can't optimize out math ops that might overflow and give a different result than the obvious one
2017-01-30T22:48:19 < jadew> yeah
2017-01-30T22:48:37 < zyp> so I would assume it depends on the exact operation you want to do
2017-01-30T22:48:38 < jadew> fenugrec, that's weird
2017-01-30T22:48:48 < jadew> fenugrec, are you sure none of those were variables?
2017-01-30T22:49:45 < jadew> zyp, yeah, but multiplying say... 2 x 8-bit values when one gets casted to a 32-bit value, means that there won't be an overflow
2017-01-30T22:50:07 < jadew> so you can optimize the * bar / bar thingie in such cases
2017-01-30T22:50:10 < fenugrec> jadew hehe yes, quite sure. maybe some of it was due to me using "UL" suffixes to the constants... I forget, I got angry and hardcoded the values and moved on
2017-01-30T22:50:35 < jadew> but I don't think many compiler would look for such cases
2017-01-30T22:51:04 < jadew> fenugrec, you may be right about that, I remember bumping into such weirdness myself
2017-01-30T22:51:18 < jadew> but I don't remember if it was my fault or not :)
2017-01-30T22:52:26 < jadew> hmm, I remember what my issue was
2017-01-30T22:53:02 < jadew> I had some floating math on an AVR and for some values it was pulling in the floating point library
2017-01-30T22:53:15 < jadew> so the binary size would jump by 5k in size
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2017-01-30T22:58:42 < jadew> man... companies that ask you to sign up just so you can download a datasheet are freaking annoying
2017-01-30T23:00:08 < jadew> LOL
2017-01-30T23:00:12 < jadew> I can't even signup
2017-01-30T23:00:24 < jadew> they have to manually sign me up
2017-01-30T23:00:39 < jadew> so I submit a form and then they give me a password... ffs
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2017-01-30T23:42:40 < upgrdman> jadew, assuming they dont emial you the download link... theres sites like bugmenot etc
2017-01-30T23:43:23 < jadew> upgrdman, after I submitted the form and selected that I want a password, the message said that they'll get back to me
2017-01-30T23:43:55 < jadew> found the datasheet somewhere else tho
2017-01-30T23:44:06 < upgrdman> what site?
2017-01-30T23:44:11 < upgrdman> i mean
2017-01-30T23:44:15 < upgrdman> what vendor
2017-01-30T23:44:20 < upgrdman> stm being a cunt?
2017-01-30T23:44:35 < jadew> no
2017-01-30T23:45:07 < jadew> http://www.sefelec.com/en/megohmmeter-MMG500
2017-01-30T23:45:45 < jadew> my comment on the signup page was "This is stupid. I only wanted to read the datasheet."
2017-01-30T23:45:57 < upgrdman> heh, that looks like half-assed china design
2017-01-30T23:46:00 < upgrdman> but french.
2017-01-30T23:46:17 < upgrdman> figured the french would take more pride
2017-01-30T23:46:18 < jadew> I wanted to see its specs
2017-01-30T23:46:22 < jadew> because it's so expensive
2017-01-30T23:46:27 < jadew> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEFELEC-MMG500-MEGOHMMETER-MEGOHMMETER-H332-/291959232576?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255
2017-01-30T23:46:57 < upgrdman> > .co.uk
2017-01-30T23:47:01 < upgrdman> there's your problem
2017-01-30T23:47:11 < upgrdman> the brits overprice everything
2017-01-30T23:47:22 < jadew> the seller is chinese
2017-01-30T23:47:31 < upgrdman> but marketing to englishwankers
2017-01-30T23:47:39 < jadew> oh, wait
2017-01-30T23:47:40 < jadew> he's french
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2017-01-31T00:50:58 < Fleck> that awkward moment when you have headphones on for 1hr but nothing is playing/sounding :D
2017-01-31T00:51:11 < zyp> been there, done that
2017-01-31T00:51:22 < Fleck> :)
2017-01-31T00:51:39 < zyp> I'd say it's a good thing, means you have comfortable headphones
2017-01-31T00:52:56 < Fleck> haha, right?
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2017-01-31T01:01:38 < emeb> do that *all* the time.
2017-01-31T01:02:11 < emeb> also, when developing DSP code I sometimes have headphones on with oscillator playing one note for a long time.
2017-01-31T01:02:51 < emeb> no wonder I have tinnitus & HF hearing loss...
2017-01-31T01:03:00 < upgrdman> you guys use earburs or circumaural or on-ear?
2017-01-31T01:03:37 < upgrdman> i like earbuds. using stock silicone pads. anyone use foam pads? like them?
2017-01-31T01:03:45 < emeb> ancient on-ear Sony MDR-V150s
2017-01-31T01:04:08 < emeb> so old that the pads are shedding black fluff that sticks to my face and alarms the wife.
2017-01-31T01:05:43 < BrainDamage> after 30 min wearing circumaural my ears get a microclimate of a rainfores
2017-01-31T01:05:45 < emeb> bought some Sennheiser cans a while back but they were awful - headband & earcup plastic joints creaked really loud whenever they flexed and the cable plastic deteriorated
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2017-01-31T01:06:02 < emeb> sweaty ears - ugh.
2017-01-31T01:09:11 < aandrew> audsom M08 master race
2017-01-31T01:09:31 < aandrew> love those headphones
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2017-01-31T02:17:19 < fenugrec> beyer DT770, ear slippers
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2017-01-31T02:44:24 < englishman> currently using leaded solder like an asshole
2017-01-31T02:44:42 < englishman> I swear its just to piss me off
2017-01-31T02:44:48 < englishman> typical cat
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2017-01-31T02:55:06 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-01-31T02:59:33 < kakimir> hello Laurenceb_ 
2017-01-31T03:01:44 < kakimir> been busy=?
2017-01-31T03:03:36  * Laurenceb_ sad :(
2017-01-31T03:03:46 < Laurenceb_> my Grandmother just died :(
2017-01-31T03:05:58 < Laurenceb_> hadn't met her since I was about 7 tho
2017-01-31T03:06:06 < Laurenceb_> stupid family
2017-01-31T03:09:21 < upgrdman> was it at least peaceful?
2017-01-31T03:13:51 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: sorry to hear it
2017-01-31T03:17:08 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-01-31T03:17:11 < Laurenceb_> thanks aandrew
2017-01-31T03:30:59 < upgrdman> lolwut "The Boy Scouts of America announced Monday that it will allow transgender children who identify as boys to enroll in its boys-only programs."
2017-01-31T03:31:43 < zyp> heh
2017-01-31T03:32:09 < zyp> I mean, it's nice enough, but why the fuck don't they get rid of the boys-only restriction while they're at it?
2017-01-31T03:33:17 < upgrdman> well it's the Boy Scouts
2017-01-31T03:33:22 < upgrdman> theirs also Girl Scouts
2017-01-31T03:33:38 < upgrdman> theres*
2017-01-31T03:34:34 < zyp> because just «Scouts» would be too easy?
2017-01-31T03:36:27 < dongs> what a fag
2017-01-31T03:36:36 < upgrdman> ya i was never a scout, but they do activities that are specific to boys or girls
2017-01-31T03:36:47 < upgrdman> although i suppose that's imposing gender rolls
2017-01-31T03:36:59 < dongs> selling cookies
2017-01-31T03:37:04 < upgrdman> mhmmm
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2017-01-31T03:39:41 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-01-31T03:39:53 < Laurenceb_> when I was in Scouts it was gender neutral
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2017-01-31T03:40:07 < Laurenceb_> Girls could join if they wanted
2017-01-31T03:45:09 < zyp> Laurenceb_, guess your scouts are more modern than america's
2017-01-31T03:45:36 < Laurenceb_> certainly have less histrionics about gender wars
2017-01-31T03:46:18 < zyp> idk how it works over here, I were never a scout
2017-01-31T03:46:30 < Laurenceb_> basement dweller confirmed
2017-01-31T03:47:08 < Laurenceb_> tbh we seemed to spend 90% of the time playing hokey 
2017-01-31T03:49:48 < Laurenceb_> fail academy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMd_QGmmkgY
2017-01-31T03:50:18 < zyp> I don't get what they are trying to demonstrate
2017-01-31T03:50:20 < Laurenceb_> ok so MIT hyperloop travelled about 10m
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2017-01-31T03:51:29 < Laurenceb_> wait wut
2017-01-31T03:51:34 < Laurenceb_> WARR actually worked
2017-01-31T03:52:17 < zyp> are they just testing pod aerodynamics?
2017-01-31T03:52:41 < zyp> how is hyperloop propulsion supposed to work anyway? linear motors?
2017-01-31T03:54:04 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-01-31T03:54:13 < Laurenceb_> I honestly don't know what the aims are
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2017-01-31T04:00:08 < ReadError> or
2017-01-31T04:00:18 < ReadError> chief cuck
2017-01-31T04:01:57 < dongs> how is o6 stm32 synthesizer written in rust doing
2017-01-31T04:02:01 < dongs> or is he too busy watching american tv
2017-01-31T04:03:01 < Laurenceb_> http://hyperloop.warr.de/
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2017-01-31T04:03:37 < dongs> laurnce/b/ what do ytu have against hyperloop
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2017-01-31T04:04:10 < dongs> you are the reason why we cant have nice things
2017-01-31T04:04:33 < Laurenceb_> its megalame
2017-01-31T04:04:38 < Laurenceb_> and pointless
2017-01-31T04:04:47 < Laurenceb_> although this does actually look pro http://hyperloop.warr.de/img/prototype_rollout.jpg
2017-01-31T04:04:50 < emeb_mac> magalame
2017-01-31T04:04:53 < Laurenceb_> why the hell didnt it win
2017-01-31T04:04:57 < dongs> i think the best way to gauge public interest for hyperlop would be to run a kickstarter for it
2017-01-31T04:05:03 < Laurenceb_> it went about 10 times further than anything else
2017-01-31T04:08:06 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/01/29/take-a-look-at-the-hyperloop-competition-entries/#comments
2017-01-31T04:08:13 < Laurenceb_> I made a comment near the bottom
2017-01-31T04:08:24 < Laurenceb_> but mixed up mph and kmh, doh
2017-01-31T04:08:38 < Laurenceb_> looks like TGV is up to 320km/h now
2017-01-31T04:08:47 < dongs> basically you werre trolling without a pause, as usual
2017-01-31T04:08:55 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-01-31T04:14:24 < Laurenceb_> wut?
2017-01-31T04:15:15 < Laurenceb_> so even if hyperloop works as well as claimed its only about twice the speed of TGV
2017-01-31T04:15:18 < Laurenceb_> wuts the point
2017-01-31T04:16:03 < dongs> 35 minutes ride, 35 minutes to stand in line for security to make sure you aren't carrying a g un
2017-01-31T04:16:11 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-01-31T04:16:17 < dongs>  = might as well be riding at half speed
2017-01-31T04:16:37  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2017-01-31T04:16:56 < Laurenceb_> actually no
2017-01-31T04:16:57 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-01-31T04:17:22  * Laurenceb_ realises he doesnt see why hyperloop is limited to mach 1
2017-01-31T04:17:31 < Laurenceb_> time to model in openfoam
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2017-01-31T04:19:42 < zyp> Laurenceb_, huh, I thought TGV was faster
2017-01-31T04:21:02 < zyp> ah, 320km/h for normal operation
2017-01-31T04:21:20 < Laurenceb_> crt: go watch windowlicker
2017-01-31T04:21:21 < zyp> but they have the speed record of 575 m/h
2017-01-31T04:21:26 < zyp> km/h
2017-01-31T04:21:32 < Laurenceb_> yeah but that destroyed the pantograph
2017-01-31T04:21:59 < Laurenceb_> Musk goes on about a speed limit for a train in a tunnel
2017-01-31T04:22:11 < Laurenceb_> but I dont see why you cant go hypersonic
2017-01-31T04:22:17 < zyp> the maglev line they're building in japan is interesting
2017-01-31T04:22:27 < Laurenceb_> you just get a plug of compressed air stuck to the front of the train
2017-01-31T04:22:30 < zyp> apparently they are targetting an operating speed of 505 km/h
2017-01-31T04:22:43 < zyp> ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen
2017-01-31T04:22:44 < Laurenceb_> then it compresses to the point where it will pass around the edge
2017-01-31T04:22:49 < Laurenceb_> yeah seen that
2017-01-31T04:23:52 < zyp> I've been meaning to head up and take a look at the test track some time I'm in jp, but so far I haven't found the time
2017-01-31T04:24:41 < Laurenceb_> hmm I really think Musk has got it wrong
2017-01-31T04:25:04 < Laurenceb_> that would explain why I could never find any proper references for his "fundamental speed limit"
2017-01-31T04:26:57 < zyp> «The primary reason for the project's huge expense is that most of the line is planned to run in a tunnel (about 86% of the initial section from Tokyo to Nagoya will be underground)»
2017-01-31T04:27:03 < zyp> this is also pretty crazy
2017-01-31T04:27:12 < gxti> musk wrong? nevar!!1!1!one
2017-01-31T04:27:26 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-01-31T04:27:43 < Laurenceb_> well there is the part where he boils the water in a tank to get rid of excess heat
2017-01-31T04:27:48 < Laurenceb_> thats emdrive level silly
2017-01-31T04:35:50 < Laurenceb_> if you travel at mach x and have a front to back vent tube with cross section fraction a, then you just need to reduce the volume by a*x
2017-01-31T04:36:25 < Laurenceb_> so p=p_tube*(a*x)^-gamma (gamma =1.4 for air)
2017-01-31T04:36:56 < Laurenceb_> so you lose much more energy than a normal train at the same pressure, but the pressure is way way lower
2017-01-31T04:37:00 < Laurenceb_> Musk BTFO
2017-01-31T04:40:06  * Laurenceb_ condenses the water in his body to stay warm
2017-01-31T04:42:43 < Laurenceb_> how Musk stays warm
2017-01-31T04:44:10 < zyp> oh, apparently I actually drove under the maglev test track last year, drove along the highway that passes right by the visitors centre and all
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2017-01-31T05:01:56 < upgrdman> hai
2017-01-31T05:07:24 < zyp> はい
2017-01-31T05:09:08 < englishman> 你好
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2017-01-31T05:42:18 < englishman> emeb_mac: traffic back home was packed, too
2017-01-31T05:42:23 < englishman> cause of vigils etc
2017-01-31T05:43:15 < emeb_mac> englishman: oy
2017-01-31T05:43:54 < englishman> its ok i ate a cheese fondue
2017-01-31T05:44:17 < emeb_mac> poutine and cheese fondue. taking a lot of statins I hope.
2017-01-31T05:44:39 < englishman> dono what that is
2017-01-31T05:45:09 < emeb_mac> cholesterol medicine
2017-01-31T05:45:18 < englishman> so, red wine
2017-01-31T05:45:26 < emeb_mac> Pills!
2017-01-31T05:55:44 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-01-31T05:55:47 < emeb_mac> "hot"
2017-01-31T05:59:50 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol
2017-01-31T05:59:57 < upgrdman> R2COM, should have moved to calif.
2017-01-31T06:00:30 < upgrdman> today was 70F (~22C)
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2017-01-31T06:05:42 < jadew> I'm not sure if I'm sick right now or if I'm experiencing withdrawal symptoms - quitting diet coke
2017-01-31T06:05:59 < jadew> I stopped drinking it about a week ago
2017-01-31T06:07:50 < englishman> for dongs https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852751
2017-01-31T06:09:05 < englishman> hey flyback
2017-01-31T06:09:17 < englishman> that military plane crashed due to shifted CoG
2017-01-31T06:09:33 < englishman> a tank inside was not secured and rolled back
2017-01-31T06:10:13 < jadew> you mean all my porn has the password p?
2017-01-31T06:11:54 < englishman> jadew are you still interested in losing all your money trading optons
2017-01-31T06:12:19 < jadew> yeah, but not at the moment
2017-01-31T06:12:25 < jadew> I have to get some stuff going first
2017-01-31T06:13:46 < englishman> yea
2017-01-31T06:13:55 < englishman> theres a lot of trust in aviation
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2017-01-31T06:41:12 < ReadError> Trump fires Justice Department's top official after she refuses to defend his refugee ban
2017-01-31T06:41:21 < ReadError> some news
2017-01-31T06:42:29 < englishman> did you hear
2017-01-31T06:42:36 < englishman> trump is creating american jobs
2017-01-31T06:42:40 < englishman> by making so much news
2017-01-31T06:47:05 < emeb_mac> every day is another raging dumpster fire
2017-01-31T06:47:14 < emeb_mac> sometimes two
2017-01-31T06:47:56 < ReadError> well emeb_mac, as they say, you have to watch the world burn to MAGA..
2017-01-31T06:48:44  * emeb_mac shudders to think of 4 yrs of this crap
2017-01-31T06:51:32 < ReadError> Trump is considering a reversal of LGBT protections
2017-01-31T06:51:37 < ReadError> poor R2COM 
2017-01-31T06:54:26 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/kwacs3dqhxcy.jpg
2017-01-31T06:58:07 < jadew> ages 3 to 12
2017-01-31T06:59:16 < upgrdman> lol    https://i.imgur.com/RHFb6z0.gifv
2017-01-31T07:01:31 < jadew> where's the original?
2017-01-31T07:02:09 < upgrdman> dunno
2017-01-31T07:04:49 < upgrdman> 'murica!   http://i.imgur.com/DMJFCqN.jpg
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2017-01-31T07:22:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://gfycat.com/LightheartedSnivelingFlyingfox
2017-01-31T07:22:24 < upgrdman> yemen vs saudi
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2017-01-31T07:38:27 < dongs> im here , watching boring chat
2017-01-31T07:38:29 < dongs> and innovating
2017-01-31T07:39:28 < dongs>  R2COM on the scale of 1 to BSD, how dead is PSoC
2017-01-31T07:39:34 < dongs> oh, i was gonna ask you
2017-01-31T07:39:41 < dongs> in your dealing with IP you ever touched anythin from ARM?
2017-01-31T07:39:44 < dongs> like cortex cores or etc
2017-01-31T07:40:30 < dongs> so its dead as zano then
2017-01-31T07:40:41 < dongs> ip question is more important
2017-01-31T07:40:44 < dongs> ever worked with arm stuff?
2017-01-31T07:41:28 < dongs> sux. pal got a grip of ARM stuff including cortex-m development kit and a bunch of IP and shit, some of it looks like it might actually include verilog sores to cortex-m
2017-01-31T07:42:14 < dongs> https://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-m/cortex-m-system-design-kit.php
2017-01-31T07:42:22 < dongs> this, but there's other stuff too
2017-01-31T07:42:55 < dongs> but this "source" is not readable, right?
2017-01-31T07:43:03 < dongs> its ASIC/gate stuff?
2017-01-31T07:43:15 < dongs> tehere's verilog shit tho that definitely looks like processor core type stuff
2017-01-31T07:43:21 < dongs> not just test harnesses etc
2017-01-31T07:44:56 < dongs> but isn't cortex stuff pre-routed blocks already?
2017-01-31T07:45:05 < dongs> like, to make it fast/shit the way arm wants it
2017-01-31T07:46:51 < dongs> ok. and if someone wanted to prototype this on FPGA, can this cadence src be compiled to fpga gates/bitstream? or is it for asic only
2017-01-31T07:47:12 < dongs> cuz these guys are testing on FPGA right now (harwdare is not been made afaik), but they're running the cortex core there wiht thier own peripherals etc designed in verilog
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2017-01-31T07:48:46 < dongs> so this cadece shit, what is it, like RTL or something? describing gates and stuff?
2017-01-31T07:48:51 < dongs> not 'high" levle code?
2017-01-31T07:49:56 < dongs> ya donno why theyt're doing fpga, i think there's lots of other stuff that isn't arm IP that they need to test
2017-01-31T07:50:20 < dongs> ya but whats "is" the code?
2017-01-31T07:50:31 < dongs> is it high level text stuff or just a dump of gates/netlist?
2017-01-31T07:50:49 < dongs> ok
2017-01-31T07:51:54 < upgrdman> R2COM, what "primitives" would a cortex core need that arent possible/feasible with an fpga?
2017-01-31T07:52:45 < upgrdman> k
2017-01-31T07:52:49 < dongs> makes sense
2017-01-31T07:53:01 < dongs> faster-than-blockram
2017-01-31T07:53:12 < dongs> but then again you can just clock down entire thing to make it match
2017-01-31T07:53:47 < dongs> isn't cortex spec'd to run from DC to MHz
2017-01-31T07:54:02 < dongs> but what can you simulate?
2017-01-31T07:54:06 < dongs> you cant sim the thing "running" right?
2017-01-31T07:54:12 < dongs> like, running your code and shit
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2017-01-31T07:57:12 < dongs> lol
2017-01-31T07:57:27 < dongs> run that microblaze at 420mhz
2017-01-31T07:57:52 < upgrdman> so how does ARM ensure people dont use their IP without paying licenses. do they decap ASICs and look?
2017-01-31T07:58:26 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-31T07:58:27 < dongs> upgrdman: its pretty obvious if you've got money to make your own chips wiht ARM in them it would be noticeable
2017-01-31T07:58:30 < upgrdman> but i mean like china
2017-01-31T07:58:40 < dongs> but GD32 is actually an ARM licensee
2017-01-31T07:58:43 < dongs> the ST-cloners
2017-01-31T07:58:48 < upgrdman> dongs, ya
2017-01-31T07:58:49 < upgrdman> but
2017-01-31T07:59:00 < upgrdman> what if gd32 was like... lolumad
2017-01-31T07:59:18 < upgrdman> R2COM, sure
2017-01-31T07:59:53 < upgrdman> exactly. so theyre relying on a honor system.
2017-01-31T08:00:02 < dongs> but if you're big enough and youre selling chips
2017-01-31T08:00:05 < dongs> and people write code for htem and its arm
2017-01-31T08:00:06 < upgrdman> that fine, just wondering if they checked.
2017-01-31T08:00:10 < dongs> they will knock on your door if you arent paying
2017-01-31T08:00:27 < dongs> but i guess if you put some embedded arm shit into a chip wiht mask rom and nobody writes code for it ev er, im sure they won't care/,now
2017-01-31T08:00:30 < dongs> .now=know
2017-01-31T08:00:37 < upgrdman> ya
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2017-01-31T08:01:06 < upgrdman> any idea what kind of fees they get? like $0.01 per chip?
2017-01-31T08:01:30 < dongs> ask softbank
2017-01-31T08:01:44 < dongs> they thought they could buy arm so they didnt have to pay arm royalties in iphones
2017-01-31T08:02:12 < upgrdman> ya
2017-01-31T08:04:46 < dongs> ya.
2017-01-31T08:05:12 < dongs> OS = rtos?
2017-01-31T08:05:13 < dongs> any jlink can
2017-01-31T08:05:43 < dongs> there's that jlink ozone thing that seemed neat, but keil already does all this anyway mostly
2017-01-31T08:06:38 < dongs> nah
2017-01-31T08:06:47 < dongs> use it until you need something it doesnt do
2017-01-31T08:06:56 < dongs> like super fast swo or flash breakpoints etc
2017-01-31T08:17:43 < dongs> they're on my roof, thats about the extent of it
2017-01-31T08:18:04 < dongs> no
2017-01-31T08:18:12 < dongs> you just sell shit back to grid
2017-01-31T08:18:22 < dongs> currently in jp thats 2x the price of you paying for electricty
2017-01-31T08:18:27 < dongs> so it makes no sense to actually store it
2017-01-31T08:18:34 < dongs> its more profitable to sell.
2017-01-31T08:18:39 < dongs> store in battery
2017-01-31T08:19:04 < dongs> nowhere, you just use it or sell it
2017-01-31T08:20:22 < dongs> dunno, the AC converter box handles it all
2017-01-31T08:20:32 < dongs> obviously it wont let you draw more from panels than their capability
2017-01-31T08:20:50 < dongs> youre using the grid?
2017-01-31T08:20:51 < dongs> shrug
2017-01-31T08:21:04 < dongs> it load balances between grid source and panels
2017-01-31T08:22:45 < dongs> i forgt
2017-01-31T08:22:47 < dongs> its 5kw
2017-01-31T08:22:55 < dongs> of not-so-current-gen
2017-01-31T08:23:35 < dongs> um a lot more than that
2017-01-31T08:23:52 < dongs> http://news.energysage.com/5kw-solar-systems-compare-prices-installers/
2017-01-31T08:24:17 < dongs> yeah, i got this > 5 years ago
2017-01-31T08:25:25 < dongs> they should line up death valley with solar panels
2017-01-31T08:25:30 < dongs> and solve american energy crisis
2017-01-31T08:27:36 < dongs> ban leelooman
2017-01-31T08:29:38 < dongs> considering my uyseless fucking house manages to consume like 2-3kW while idling yeah
2017-01-31T08:31:16 < ReadError> commit any cool hatecrimes lately R2COM ?
2017-01-31T08:31:16 < dongs> japs
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2017-01-31T08:36:34 < dongs> wahtever came with panels
2017-01-31T08:36:37 < dongs> some kyocera trash
2017-01-31T08:38:46 < ohsix> buns
2017-01-31T08:39:42 < dongs> yeah
2017-01-31T08:39:46 < dongs> thats the inverter 
2017-01-31T08:40:54 < dongs> http://www.gogreensolar.com/products/5000w-diy-solar-panel-kit-grid-tie-inverter so cheap, must be chinese trash
2017-01-31T08:40:57 < dongs> those panelsa re way better than mine tho
2017-01-31T08:41:00 < dongs> i think mine are 220W or so
2017-01-31T08:41:09 < dongs> i didnt even know 320W shit was out.
2017-01-31T08:46:35 < ohsix> http://www.japaninabox.jp/shop/edvard-munch-the-scream-mask-costume-cosplay-halloween-party/
2017-01-31T08:48:03 < ohsix> i'm going to end upspending a ton of money on shirts
2017-01-31T08:49:30 < ohsix> https://www.theshirtlist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/GET-SCHWIFTY-T-Shirt.jpg this is inappropriate
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2017-01-31T09:12:10 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/anoninok/status/826303900844167168 haha
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2017-01-31T09:27:05 < ohsix> any of you pros know about some open source gui junk for gauges and other industrial control shit
2017-01-31T09:27:16 < ohsix> it's not a ton of work to write but i don't wanna
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2017-01-31T09:58:56 < upgrdman> R2COM, just get a hdmi cable. they world at 4k60 4:4:4 no problem
2017-01-31T09:59:09 < upgrdman> i told your ass a week ago
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2017-01-31T10:06:22 < ohsix> he's got no ears on his ass feller
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2017-01-31T10:10:44 < ReadError> cuck up a nun where im from, irssi son 
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2017-01-31T10:11:05 < PeterM> u wot m8
2017-01-31T10:11:32 < ohsix> huh osram has broadband ir led, 650-1050
2017-01-31T10:11:42 < ohsix> looks like it has a phosphor
2017-01-31T10:12:04 < PeterM> gi
2017-01-31T10:12:35 < PeterM> hi*
2017-01-31T10:14:03 < ReadError> lol hes gone full blow *phile 
2017-01-31T10:14:07 < ReadError> blown*
2017-01-31T10:14:07 < PeterM> R2 nobody in here that doesnt have assburgers cares
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2017-01-31T10:14:29 < ReadError> 20 feet it stupid
2017-01-31T10:14:33 < ReadError> think about your input latency
2017-01-31T10:14:40 < ReadError> you wont get that headshot
2017-01-31T10:15:17 < ReadError> lululu
2017-01-31T10:15:35 < Jak_o_Shadows1> R2COM, isn't this one of the problems that displayport is meant to fix?
2017-01-31T10:15:37 < Jak_o_Shadows1> That's not an option?
2017-01-31T10:15:47 < PeterM> ya know, if oyu think everyones an idiot, maybe youre the idiot
2017-01-31T10:15:55 < ReadError> ^
2017-01-31T10:16:13 < Jak_o_Shadows1> So 4K tv's haven't started to include different ports yet?
2017-01-31T10:16:57 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Damn. You'd think things would change
2017-01-31T10:20:33 < dongs> HDMI is dumb
2017-01-31T10:20:38 < dongs> yeah what kinda nigger uses HDMI for 4K
2017-01-31T10:20:51 < dongs> HDMI is STILL behind DP for bandwidth
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2017-01-31T10:20:55 < dongs> why?
2017-01-31T10:21:02 < dongs> wut
2017-01-31T10:21:07 < dongs> your tv can't do 444 anyway
2017-01-31T10:21:17 < dongs> its got a garbage 8bit panel
2017-01-31T10:21:18 < dongs> no it cant
2017-01-31T10:21:21 < dongs> with garbage adboard
2017-01-31T10:21:44 < PeterM> interpbrolated 444
2017-01-31T10:28:08 < PeterM> but is it opn rdongs.com?
2017-01-31T10:28:09 < ReadError> playing games on a tv is dumb anyways, for most games anyways
2017-01-31T10:29:55 < upgrdman> R2COM, im uploading a video for you.
2017-01-31T10:30:10 < upgrdman> this shit is so fucking simple
2017-01-31T10:30:21 < upgrdman> 4k60 4:4:4 with my long ass cheap ass hdmi cable
2017-01-31T10:30:56 < PeterM> but how much current can it carry?
2017-01-31T10:31:04 < PeterM> i want to power my tv from the hdmi cable too
2017-01-31T10:31:18 < PeterM> and on a 20ft cbale that matters
2017-01-31T10:31:31 < PeterM> R2COM wants to do that too right
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2017-01-31T10:31:54 < ReadError> why not just build a 2nd pc
2017-01-31T10:31:59 < ReadError> wouldnt that make like, sense
2017-01-31T10:32:14 < PeterM> or jsut like, move your computer
2017-01-31T10:33:31 < PeterM> 5x5 box?
2017-01-31T10:34:24 < dongs> im playing wiiu shit on my 4k tv, its pretty godo
2017-01-31T10:35:01 < upgrdman> dongs, do japs tax imports like chinks do?
2017-01-31T10:35:06 < ReadError> your KD ratio is going to go to shit
2017-01-31T10:35:15 < ReadError> with all that additional input latency
2017-01-31T10:36:11 < PeterM> ehh,  it could be worse, you could have good latency and jsut be shit at the games like R2COM
2017-01-31T10:37:11 < upgrdman> R2COM, uploading
2017-01-31T10:37:16 < upgrdman> recorded it in 4K too
2017-01-31T10:37:22 < upgrdman> since you're such a faggot
2017-01-31T10:40:46 < dongs> upgrdman: only consumption tax 8% thingy if >$100
2017-01-31T10:40:56 < dongs> there's some stuff thats taxed but most normal shit isnt
2017-01-31T10:43:21 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsLi1yBbzvg
2017-01-31T10:43:23 < upgrdman> look at that
2017-01-31T10:43:27 < upgrdman> ITS SO FUCKING SIMPLE
2017-01-31T10:44:12 < dongs> LOl
2017-01-31T10:44:15 < dongs> how to hdmi
2017-01-31T10:45:10 < ReadError> oh dear
2017-01-31T10:45:12 < ReadError> default mirc??
2017-01-31T10:45:30 < upgrdman> ReadError, ? hexchat
2017-01-31T10:45:37 < ReadError> oh looks the same
2017-01-31T10:45:40 < ReadError> white bg 
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2017-01-31T10:45:56 < ReadError> lol stop being an autistic faggot
2017-01-31T10:46:00 < ReadError> tru'nuff
2017-01-31T10:47:27 < Ecco> Hi
2017-01-31T10:47:36 < dongs> upgrdman: you should do audiophile equipment reviews
2017-01-31T10:47:48 < upgrdman> dongs, ya that'd be fun too
2017-01-31T10:47:52 < dongs> "this fuckking knob right here goes to 11"
2017-01-31T10:47:59 < Ecco> I've realized there's some code copyrighted by ARM in newlib. Does ARM provide some kind of libc or AEABI implementation?
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2017-01-31T10:56:15 < dongs> wut
2017-01-31T10:56:33 < dongs> keil has microlib in keil, i dont think ARM has anything
2017-01-31T10:56:36 < dongs> newlib is some opensores trash
2017-01-31T11:02:01 < dongs> microlib is the thing that even with FLOATS is smaller than gcc libc without floats, lol
2017-01-31T11:02:27 < dongs> opensores tinyprintf.c not supportin %f is BIGGER code than microlib printf WITH floats
2017-01-31T11:02:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, sure
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2017-01-31T11:08:20 < Ecco> :)
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2017-01-31T11:14:15 < dongs> haha
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2017-01-31T11:26:11 < dongs> i should probly print my boarding passes
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2017-01-31T11:27:29 < dongs> Information
2017-01-31T11:27:30 < dongs> We apologize as the line is busy or we are currently performing maintenance. Please try again later.
2017-01-31T11:27:33 < dongs> l o l
2017-01-31T11:27:34 < dongs> thanks, jap airlines
2017-01-31T11:27:36 < dongs> holy fuck.
2017-01-31T11:28:52 < dongs> ya
2017-01-31T11:29:12 < dongs> freeze my ass in alaska for a few days t hen fly over queerbec and take a shit
2017-01-31T11:29:47 < dongs> 10kg or less carry-on
2017-01-31T11:29:50 < dongs> and $22 for wifi
2017-01-31T11:29:53 < dongs> what a FUCKING RIP
2017-01-31T11:30:04 < dongs> wifi on air canada was liek $6
2017-01-31T11:30:09 < dongs> air japscat: $22
2017-01-31T11:37:05 < karlp> heh, feeling the aretoocommunist love overnight I see.
2017-01-31T11:41:27 < jpa-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T0PIIZ1Cbg   new music sensation from finland
2017-01-31T11:47:37 < karlp> crt: you missed my beach party.
2017-01-31T11:47:50 < karlp> we had a good old fire up of the barbie on saturday, 
2017-01-31T11:47:55 < karlp> only -2.
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2017-01-31T12:46:41 < zyp> dongs, printing boarding passes sounds kinda old fashioned
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2017-01-31T12:48:03 < ohsix> ReadError: hurr 19v chargers are all over and cheap as buns, why don't people build packs that can be charged with them on electric skateboards or something
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2017-01-31T12:48:47 < zyp> I don't know what's wrong with 10kg carry-on either, I'm used to 8kg, and nobody has ever bothered checking anyway
2017-01-31T12:48:54 < jpa-> i've wondered the same, one could just put 5S pack of lifepo4
2017-01-31T12:49:13 < karlp> zyp: there's some pretty nazi airlines around that check hard.
2017-01-31T12:49:26 < zyp> yeah, but I make a point of not flying with them
2017-01-31T12:49:29 < ohsix> woh hey watch it throwing that nazi word around
2017-01-31T12:49:46 < karlp> I'll use nazi when I see fit thank you very much.
2017-01-31T12:50:14 < dongs> what the shit
2017-01-31T12:50:15 < ohsix> fuel trims
2017-01-31T12:50:18 < dongs> karlp: what was that all about
2017-01-31T12:50:26 < zyp> dongs, ohsix 
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2017-01-31T12:50:32 < BrainDamage> ohsix: don't be a lexicon nazi
2017-01-31T12:50:40 < dongs> more like rust6
2017-01-31T12:51:09 < dongs> erasing my surface bro 3 i hope i can craigslist it while im in jewmerica
2017-01-31T12:51:16 < dongs> do people still use computers there
2017-01-31T12:51:22 < dongs> i heard its all bullshit tablets and fagogtry
2017-01-31T12:51:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> Well, it's a surface 3, it LOOKs like a tablet
2017-01-31T12:51:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> Just don't tell them in detail
2017-01-31T12:51:46 < ohsix> i fixed a surface bro a few months ago
2017-01-31T12:51:50 < dongs> its a surface BRO 3, way better than just surface 3
2017-01-31T12:51:55 < ohsix> someone wants to pay for that
2017-01-31T12:52:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> I wish they hadn't increased the screen size
2017-01-31T12:52:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> Surface pro 1 <3 form afar
2017-01-31T12:52:25 < ohsix> it has a fan in it
2017-01-31T12:53:18 < dongs> murderlist
2017-01-31T12:53:35 < Jak_o_Shadows> See, australia has gumtree.
2017-01-31T12:53:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> The risks aren't people, it's the drop bears
2017-01-31T12:54:52 < dongs> dongbears
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2017-01-31T13:00:02 < dongs> crt, how many do you have
2017-01-31T13:16:57 < ReadError> the outlook email shit on android is way better than the default app
2017-01-31T13:19:15 < ReadError> this phone is way to slippery and heavy
2017-01-31T13:19:53 < dongs> S7?
2017-01-31T13:20:01 < dongs> toldya it was fucking heavy
2017-01-31T13:20:08 < dongs> RIP samsung
2017-01-31T13:20:16 < dongs> not touching any phone > 130grams
2017-01-31T13:21:17 < ReadError> yea s7
2017-01-31T13:21:48 < ReadError> had to order a case since theres not much to really hold on to
2017-01-31T13:22:12 < dongs> haha
2017-01-31T13:22:16 < dongs> is S7 edge-only?
2017-01-31T13:22:19 < dongs> or is tehre a non-retarded version
2017-01-31T13:22:29 < dongs> edge one is particularly awful, nowehre to grab it at all
2017-01-31T13:22:31 < ReadError> i got non edge
2017-01-31T13:22:42 < dongs> just a slipppery slab
2017-01-31T13:23:05 < ReadError> yea same shit
2017-01-31T13:23:10 < ReadError> this is just smaller
2017-01-31T13:24:16 < ReadError> i do wanna throw it into some water tho
2017-01-31T13:28:13 < ReadError> the camera tracking your eye shit is creep feature turned off
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2017-01-31T13:31:25 < Jak_o_Shadows> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-3rd-party-evaluation-tools/ard-otto-stm32.html?ecmp=tt4553_gl_enews_jan2017
2017-01-31T13:32:39 < ReadError> lol wtf
2017-01-31T13:33:15 < dongs> looks like tarduino due clone
2017-01-31T13:33:24 < karlp> that was announced a few months ago
2017-01-31T13:34:32 < karlp> I like how st is just sprinkling microphones on all their boards.
2017-01-31T13:34:39 < dongs> Flash Memory
2017-01-31T13:34:40 < dongs> 4 MB
2017-01-31T13:34:40 < dongs> RAM
2017-01-31T13:34:40 < dongs> 8 MB instruction, 12 MB data
2017-01-31T13:34:41 < dongs> what
2017-01-31T13:34:49 < dongs> on ESP1488
2017-01-31T13:34:51 < dongs> on that board
2017-01-31T13:34:55 < dongs> that cant be right
2017-01-31T13:35:03 < dongs> http://www.arduino.org/products/boards/arduino-star-otto
2017-01-31T13:35:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> The ESP things are magic.
2017-01-31T13:35:46 < dongs> no
2017-01-31T13:35:48 < dongs> they're just retarded
2017-01-31T13:35:56 < Jak_o_Shadows> I never said in a good way
2017-01-31T13:36:48 < zyp> maybe they mixed up M and k
2017-01-31T13:37:01 < Jak_o_Shadows> It could be useful if priced competitively to the discovery boards...
2017-01-31T13:37:03 < ReadError> thats one fatass package
2017-01-31T13:38:25 < Jak_o_Shadows> The main issues  would have with it is the dopy pin spacing, and whether you could program it via a stlink
2017-01-31T13:39:10 < zyp> hmm, esp8266 got 64k I and 96k D
2017-01-31T13:40:21 < dongs> so where teh shit did they get 4mb
2017-01-31T13:40:29 < dongs> or 8/12
2017-01-31T13:40:40 < dongs> thats like orders of magnitude wrong fuckup
2017-01-31T13:40:45 < zyp> maybe they went «hmm, 32Mb of flash would be 4MB, 64Mb of I-ram would be 8MB, 96Mb of D-ram would be 12MB»
2017-01-31T13:41:10 < dongs> whatever that  thing is, not buying
2017-01-31T13:42:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> ok, yeah, just realising how big the chip is
2017-01-31T13:42:12 < zyp> shame they didn't throw on a QSPI or something forthe stm32
2017-01-31T13:46:14 < zyp> I'm also noticing that they don't have the retarded half-spacing on one of the headers
2017-01-31T13:46:25 < zyp> oh, wait, they do
2017-01-31T13:46:29 < zyp> nevermind
2017-01-31T13:49:19 < emeryth> but they have it as a single connector
2017-01-31T13:49:25 < emeryth> now that's innovation
2017-01-31T13:50:57 < dongs> hilarious
2017-01-31T13:51:27 < dongs> drunk italian faggots mistake, and now companies are making full headers wiht molded plastic to keep doing it, 10+ years later
2017-01-31T13:51:35 < dongs> crt, offset headers on tardruino
2017-01-31T13:52:42 < danielinux> yea, otoh, no need to be racist or hide your homosexual instincts by using offensive sexist wording
2017-01-31T13:53:19 < dongs> no need to openly admit you're both by having "linux" in your nick, either
2017-01-31T13:53:28 < danielinux> I can understand the frustration of not agreeing with engineering choices, but I can't stand small-brained people
2017-01-31T13:53:35 < dongs> engineering choices?
2017-01-31T13:53:37 < danielinux> it might be
2017-01-31T13:54:12 < karlp> I've heard it was a mistake, I've also heard it was intentional to ensure it only plugged in one way around.
2017-01-31T13:54:26 < karlp> doesn't stoop people plugging them in offset and missing pins anyway.
2017-01-31T13:54:36 < dongs> karlp: no, definitely mistake, im not ognna look for forum post by mazzimo or wahtever
2017-01-31T13:54:44 < dongs> they fucked up grid in eagle, noticed too late
2017-01-31T13:54:47 < dongs> teh end
2017-01-31T13:54:58 < karlp> yeah, I did believe that the other was a "let's cover it up" thing
2017-01-31T13:55:38 < danielinux> dongs, if you have problems with either of that, I should assume you have some repressed sexuality or you've been abused as a kid. In any case it does not justify you being a total shit human being.
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2017-01-31T13:56:46 < dongs> http://cdn.arduino.org/media/k2/galleries/1149/A000135-Arduino-Star-Otto-1front.jpg man that ARM logo is huge
2017-01-31T13:56:55 < dongs> like huger than ST, wtf
2017-01-31T13:59:34 < dongs> 208-LQFP
2017-01-31T14:00:08 < dongs> there's a high density connector on the back
2017-01-31T14:00:21 < dongs> http://www.arduino.org/media/k2/galleries/1149/A000135-Arduino-Star-Otto-2back2.jpg
2017-01-31T14:00:29 < dongs> couple of htem actually
2017-01-31T14:00:39 < dongs> and sdram/nand or wahtever, so they probably did break most of hte free ones out
2017-01-31T14:01:17 < dongs> says open source electronics proortyping platform
2017-01-31T14:01:18 < dongs> where's sores
2017-01-31T14:01:29 < dongs> nobody knows
2017-01-31T14:03:40 < dongs> We're improving the ARM Community!
2017-01-31T14:03:40 < dongs> We are currently performing maintenance.
2017-01-31T14:03:40 < dongs> Normal service will resume again shortly. 
2017-01-31T14:03:40 < dongs> Thanks for being patient.
2017-01-31T14:04:41 < karlp> you're not going to comment on "developed by dog hunter" ?
2017-01-31T14:05:04 < karlp> sorry, "with" not by
2017-01-31T14:06:00 < dongs> wut?
2017-01-31T14:06:13 < dongs> who's dog hunter
2017-01-31T14:06:31 < dongs> oh lol top right
2017-01-31T14:06:31 < dongs> wtf
2017-01-31T14:07:21 < dongs> apparently thats the new name of tarudino srl
2017-01-31T14:10:37 < danielinux> oh jeez I never realized how full of white male repressed garbage this channel is :(  I am so sad for you folks.
2017-01-31T14:11:04 < karlp> oh, this is fine. aretoocommie's not around, makes all this look just normal.
2017-01-31T14:11:19 < ReadError> lol
2017-01-31T14:11:35 < ReadError> hes recovering after upgrademn dickslapped him
2017-01-31T14:11:36 < emeryth> danielinux: did you just assume our genders, shitlord?
2017-01-31T14:12:38 < danielinux> emeryth, no, but I can make assumptions on your average IQ based on the shit I read
2017-01-31T14:12:38 < karlp> upgrdman's video was pretty nice indeed.
2017-01-31T14:14:08 < karlp> 08:43 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsLi1yBbzvg
2017-01-31T14:14:21 < danielinux> I no longer belong here, but I am sure I will not be missed. So long, nazi losers.
2017-01-31T14:14:31 < karlp> you will be missed
2017-01-31T14:14:35 < karlp> but not by all.
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2017-01-31T14:16:46 < karlp> no, not reall.y
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2017-01-31T14:30:42 < dongs> good riddance
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2017-01-31T14:53:24 < englishman> these chats are just too pro for some
2017-01-31T14:55:42 < dongs> yep
2017-01-31T14:55:53 < dongs> if he takes this shit seriously I'm surprised hes still on the internet
2017-01-31T14:58:21 < englishman> getting those stencil clogging issues again
2017-01-31T14:58:48 < zyp> are you using shit paste?
2017-01-31T14:59:04 < englishman> especially on SOD-923
2017-01-31T14:59:25 < englishman> you tell me http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/solder-and-solder-related-products/solder-paste/lead-free-solder-paste/4900p-sn-ag-cu-no-clean-solder-paste
2017-01-31T14:59:49 < englishman> i made sure to buy a fresh one
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2017-01-31T15:13:09 < englishman> i dont really know the difference between good and bad paste, i got what was available, was guaranteed fresh, and at a reasonable price
2017-01-31T15:13:52 < dongs> sod923, thats like huge pads, no?
2017-01-31T15:13:55 < dongs> why would shit get stuck there
2017-01-31T15:14:00 < dongs> does it get stuck in 0.4mm pitch shit?
2017-01-31T15:14:27 < englishman> sod923 is the smallest of the tvs diodes
2017-01-31T15:14:32 < englishman> yes
2017-01-31T15:14:54 < englishman> its starting to clog up the stm32 qfp aperatures too
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2017-01-31T15:15:50 < dongs> do you run that pro squeegee across the paste after you lifted it?
2017-01-31T15:15:54 < dongs> er, across the stencil
2017-01-31T15:16:20 < englishman> yeah, i do two passes, one to squish paste thru at a low angle, and one to take paste off at a high angle, scraping
2017-01-31T15:16:29 < dongs> turn it around so that leftover paste is on the squeege facing up, and run it through teh stencil a few times from top
2017-01-31T15:16:40 < dongs> 2nd pass is after board is out?
2017-01-31T15:16:44 < englishman> no
2017-01-31T15:16:48 < dongs> omg dont do that
2017-01-31T15:16:51 < englishman> :o
2017-01-31T15:16:51 < dongs> paste is only one pass
2017-01-31T15:16:55 < dongs> you do 2 pass your shit will stick
2017-01-31T15:17:18 < dongs> are you using framed or frameless shit?
2017-01-31T15:17:27 < englishman> framed ofc
2017-01-31T15:17:45 < dongs> anywho, donot run paste again across the board.
2017-01-31T15:17:59 < dongs> run it once slowly, without lifting it up
2017-01-31T15:17:59 < englishman> so i always have a layer of paste on the stencil?
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2017-01-31T15:18:19 < dongs> then lift the stencil/remove board and run it at an angle with paste up to clean up all the pads
2017-01-31T15:18:30 < englishman> oh with no paste
2017-01-31T15:18:33 < dongs> you could leave paste there too, while youre doing same models and if your pads are clean
2017-01-31T15:18:40 < dongs> but do not run it twice with board still there
2017-01-31T15:18:43 < englishman> ok
2017-01-31T15:19:04 < englishman> when i squeegee at low angle, the 1st pass, theres a thin layer of paste across the entire stencil
2017-01-31T15:19:13 < dongs> not pressing hard enough then
2017-01-31T15:19:15 < englishman> o
2017-01-31T15:19:19 < englishman> i really gotta lean on it?
2017-01-31T15:19:20 < dongs> is it at the right angle?
2017-01-31T15:19:26 < dongs> i mean there's like
2017-01-31T15:19:30 < dongs> longer and shorter blatd
2017-01-31T15:19:31 < dongs> blade
2017-01-31T15:20:11 < dongs> when youre applying paste, bulk of paste is on the side opposite of shorter blade
2017-01-31T15:20:33 < Ecco> Is it possible to sample BOOT0 after boot?
2017-01-31T15:20:35 < dongs> at around 45" angle or so, and pressing it so that the surface following that is pretty much clean
2017-01-31T15:20:42 < Ecco> i.e. to tell wether it's pulled up or pulled down
2017-01-31T15:20:42 < dongs> Ecco: no, it has no gpio
2017-01-31T15:20:46 < englishman> so i really have to press hard
2017-01-31T15:20:48 < Ecco> crap
2017-01-31T15:20:48 < dongs> you could short it to another pin etc
2017-01-31T15:20:53 < Ecco> indeed
2017-01-31T15:21:03 < Rob235> nice, got my tax refund already
2017-01-31T15:21:07 < englishman> long short blade... i only have one ???
2017-01-31T15:21:08 < dongs> englishman: i think so, i mean, not 'destroy the board' hard but there shoudln't be a layer of paste left, thats for sure
2017-01-31T15:21:12 < englishman> ok
2017-01-31T15:21:18 < dongs> orly?
2017-01-31T15:21:40 < dongs> thre's the bendy main blade, and there's a harder thing above to prevent it from flexing too much
2017-01-31T15:21:49 < englishman> o
2017-01-31T15:21:54 < englishman> yeah the coated / uncoated parts
2017-01-31T15:22:10 < dongs> harder thing is facing away from paste when stenciling.
2017-01-31T15:22:14 < englishman> right
2017-01-31T15:22:21 < englishman> im following the instructions
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2017-01-31T15:22:52 < dongs> great. went to upgrade surfaceBRO3 to win10, now its just freezing on boot @ surface logo
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2017-01-31T15:23:06 < dongs> downloading 14gigs of recovery image from microsoft at 300k/sec
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2017-01-31T15:23:46 < englishman> so 2nd pass is with no board, and squeegee upside down
2017-01-31T15:23:54 < englishman> to scrape off excess
2017-01-31T15:23:54 < englishman> ?
2017-01-31T15:23:58 < dongs> yes
2017-01-31T15:24:00 < englishman> ok
2017-01-31T15:24:08 < englishman> i feel i should blog about this
2017-01-31T15:24:11 < englishman> and spread misinformation
2017-01-31T15:24:27 < dongs> guest blogger on tarduino.cc always welcome
2017-01-31T15:24:44 < englishman> thanks i have my own problog and jewtube channel paying the big bux
2017-01-31T15:24:54 < englishman> you may also know me as lewis rossman
2017-01-31T15:25:04 < dongs> more like jewish rossmann
2017-01-31T15:25:35 < englishman> couple years ago i made a boring video and titled it "eagle picks up baby" and got like 25k views
2017-01-31T15:26:26 < jadew> dongs, that's pretty slow for MS
2017-01-31T15:26:31 < englishman> will try new squeegee technique. as im currently loading dicknplace with this bullshit 0.4mm pitch high row zee connector
2017-01-31T15:26:33 < dongs> jadew: yeah i dunno waht the fuck
2017-01-31T15:26:45 < dongs> i never download anything less than few meg/sec from tehm
2017-01-31T15:26:53 < jadew> same
2017-01-31T15:26:55 < dongs> but i had to enter my surface bro serial and shit
2017-01-31T15:27:01 < dongs> maybe its some kinda dynamically generated crap
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2017-01-31T15:34:35 < englishman> o i see what you mean, after looking at the thing
2017-01-31T15:34:43 < englishman> theres actually a second piece of metal
2017-01-31T15:35:12 < dongs> yes
2017-01-31T15:35:49 < dongs> that one is facing up
2017-01-31T15:35:52 < englishman> right
2017-01-31T15:36:45 < englishman> utility is here finally fixing ac
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2017-01-31T15:36:55 < englishman> hot as fuck in winter
2017-01-31T15:36:57 < englishman> so will paste later
2017-01-31T15:37:03 < Lux> and don't hold it too flat or you'll get excess paste on the pads
2017-01-31T15:37:31 < Lux> wasted like a day before figuring that out
2017-01-31T15:37:41 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/5d2515dba9f5f2e14fd22078a724c546941a180e2ac5f882156b26018db97353.jpg
2017-01-31T15:39:18 < englishman> do you hold it at like 45deg?
2017-01-31T15:39:24 < dongs> 45 here
2017-01-31T15:39:25 < dongs> around
2017-01-31T15:39:28 < englishman> hm
2017-01-31T15:39:41 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/gBb7Os3.jpg
2017-01-31T15:39:44 < englishman> instructions
2017-01-31T15:39:51 < englishman> they are supposed to be pro
2017-01-31T15:39:59 < kakimir> ehkä ei ihan tuon kokoista mikä sulla oli+
2017-01-31T15:41:37 < kakimir> shie
2017-01-31T15:41:46 < kakimir> putty fail
2017-01-31T15:41:55 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: is that a real thing?
2017-01-31T15:42:29 < dongs> kikemir, no it was legit until the 1st 3 rows of drams
2017-01-31T15:42:37 < dongs> then someone got happy wiht clone brush in photoshop
2017-01-31T15:42:49 < englishman> that photo has been fake for almost 20 years
2017-01-31T15:43:14 < kakimir> I had voodoo 3 3300
2017-01-31T15:45:26 < dongs> i had S3 Virge
2017-01-31T15:45:49 < zyp> S3 Virgin
2017-01-31T15:46:16 < englishman> zip, is my paste shit
2017-01-31T15:46:41 < englishman> i really dono
2017-01-31T15:46:41 < englishman> mg is a huge company
2017-01-31T15:46:41 < zyp> I have no idea, never used leadless
2017-01-31T15:46:47 < englishman> ah
2017-01-31T15:46:59 < dongs> take a vid of how youre pasting it
2017-01-31T15:47:03 < dongs> but yeah 20 deg is too low
2017-01-31T15:47:04 < englishman> ok
2017-01-31T15:47:07 < zyp> and to be fair, I probably have less paste experience than you
2017-01-31T15:47:07 < dongs> and I suspect youre not pressing on it enough
2017-01-31T15:47:15 < englishman> i will fax the pros and tell them they are wrong
2017-01-31T15:48:38 < dongs> and ditch the 2nd pass
2017-01-31T15:48:41 < dongs> vertically
2017-01-31T15:48:54 < dongs> all that does is smear shit on teh pads, especially if your stencil isnt precisely tensioned across the board
2017-01-31T15:49:08 < englishman> you said do it, but after the board is removed and upside down
2017-01-31T15:49:09 < zyp> yeah, one 45deg pass with enough pressure should be enough
2017-01-31T15:49:15 < Laurenceb_> what are you trying to solder?
2017-01-31T15:49:18 < Laurenceb_>  - pad size
2017-01-31T15:49:26 < englishman> sod923 and .4mm pitch
2017-01-31T15:49:30 < dongs> englishman: right, i meant ditch the 2nd pass as the manual describes
2017-01-31T15:49:32 < englishman> ok
2017-01-31T15:49:54 < dongs> scrape it a few times at low (10-20") angle after pasting and removing board to clean the area up
2017-01-31T15:49:57 < Laurenceb_> englishman: should be easy
2017-01-31T15:50:05 < dongs> also, if youre doing it right, bottom of stencil should NOT have any paste excess on it
2017-01-31T15:50:05 < englishman> thx laurent
2017-01-31T15:50:08 < dongs> does it?
2017-01-31T15:50:12 < englishman> no
2017-01-31T15:50:17 < englishman> even my old way
2017-01-31T15:50:26 < englishman> maybe a bit after like 10 boards
2017-01-31T15:50:34 < Laurenceb_> compared to that ST 9dof thing
2017-01-31T15:50:40 < dongs> should not happen for 100s 
2017-01-31T15:50:43 < dongs> if top is properly done
2017-01-31T15:50:43 < englishman> ok
2017-01-31T15:51:22  * Laurenceb_ managed 20/20 of last batch of horse boards, used stainless stencil and proper tensioning
2017-01-31T15:51:50 < englishman> no lga today but il be doing lga tomorrow
2017-01-31T15:53:17 < dongs> laurence/b/ why the s hit are you hand-assembling horseboards?
2017-01-31T15:53:23 < dongs> arent ytou getting paid enough to farm that shit out somewhere pro
2017-01-31T15:53:44 < Laurenceb_> lulno
2017-01-31T15:53:51 < kakimir> how is innovation latelly dongs?
2017-01-31T15:53:54 < Laurenceb_> guess I could send them to china
2017-01-31T15:53:57 < Laurenceb_> but massive pita
2017-01-31T15:54:41 < Laurenceb_> wtf I dont even https://media.8ch.net/file_store/e5d1941803ccd0001d15b4c7a547b42333f256d54c77e5f1507c95f5323c02f4.png
2017-01-31T15:55:32 < dongs> manly
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2017-01-31T16:05:23 < kakimir> musoc genres @ 2017
2017-01-31T16:05:33 < kakimir> it was simple back then
2017-01-31T16:08:37 < Laurenceb_> bbl
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2017-01-31T16:14:17 < englishman> Police found two rifles and an AK-47 in the car. 
2017-01-31T16:14:19 < englishman> so
2017-01-31T16:14:23  * englishman things
2017-01-31T16:14:45 < englishman> guess AK47 isnt a rifle
2017-01-31T16:15:04 < englishman> also where did he find an AK47 in canada. those should be in a museum
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2017-01-31T17:42:01 < Laurenceb> sounds like he was a PhD student
2017-01-31T17:42:09 < Laurenceb> what a surprise
2017-01-31T17:42:18 < Laurenceb> we need to bad PhD students tbh
2017-01-31T17:42:21 < Laurenceb> *ban
2017-01-31T17:44:11 < Laurenceb> tbh I considered shooting some shit up for the lulz when I was a PhD, as did everyone else
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2017-01-31T18:15:33  * karlp considers generating c code.
2017-01-31T18:16:52 < kakimir> interestings
2017-01-31T18:17:07 < kakimir> why c?
2017-01-31T18:17:15 < kakimir> and not asm?
2017-01-31T18:18:57 < karlp> currently have been recompiling the same code into different .o files over and over because board differences are in #defines.
2017-01-31T18:19:16 < karlp> want to put them properly into board layer .c files, and compile only those for each board, not the entire codeset.
2017-01-31T18:19:26 < karlp> but most of the boards only differ in a few constants.
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2017-01-31T18:49:30 < karlp> hrm, no. overcomplicating things. coffeebreak was a good idea
2017-01-31T18:52:14 < Lux> isn't that what makefiles are for ?
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2017-01-31T19:03:49 < karlp> Lux: well, once they're all in .c files properly, yes...
2017-01-31T19:04:19 < Lux> you can also define stuff in make files
2017-01-31T19:05:07 < Lux> or rather as compiler flag, but basically the same
2017-01-31T19:06:50 < karlp> yes, that's what I'd been doing in the past, but the way it was workign with defines int he makefiles was requiring too mcuh to be compiled repeately.
2017-01-31T19:07:01 < karlp> it's ok, it's going to be a simpler makefile and faster builds. it's all good :)
2017-01-31T19:07:23 < karlp> and while there will be some duplication of information in some structs, it's likely to be far easier to maintain.
2017-01-31T19:08:34 < Lux> sounds like a pretty big project for that to actually matter :)
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2017-01-31T19:12:33 < karlp> 27 targets
2017-01-31T19:13:00 < karlp> if i'd been smarter in the past I would have had more board level autodetection of it's own hardware, but that ship has sailed.
2017-01-31T19:15:47 < zyp> that's why I'm trying to be forward-thinking about putting id-eeproms on each board in the EV charger stuff
2017-01-31T19:16:48 < zyp> does the compile times actually matter?
2017-01-31T19:16:58 < karlp> it was starting to become a pain, yes.
2017-01-31T19:17:15 < zyp> have you considered ccache?
2017-01-31T19:17:35 < karlp> nah, mostly just always wanted to stop recompiling the same files all the time.
2017-01-31T19:18:44 < zyp> I've been thinking that if I were to build something with minor variations for multiple hardware, I'd just use scons' variant feature, but that sets up a whole separate build tree for each variant
2017-01-31T19:19:39 < zyp> which is good in that you don't have to worry about how minor or major the differences are, it's all handled, but bad in that everything will be a complete build for every single target
2017-01-31T19:20:16 < zyp> but that shouldn't really be a problem either
2017-01-31T19:20:50 < zyp> ccache can speed things up if need be, and when you're just developing and iterating on a single hardware, you can just build that specific variant
2017-01-31T19:21:25 < zyp> which of course you can with make too by building just the binary you want, assuming the dependency tree gets built correctly
2017-01-31T19:21:33 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=689_1485853236
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2017-01-31T19:31:29 < englishman> fedex coming, but need to take a crap
2017-01-31T19:31:41 < englishman> if only i had a magic jap toilet, i wouldnt have to waste all that time wiping
2017-01-31T19:32:07 < englishman> i wonder why jap anus technology isnt more prevalent in western society
2017-01-31T19:32:22 < Laurenceb> cuz we aren't that crazy
2017-01-31T19:36:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTc0G2a9aGo
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2017-01-31T19:42:53 < Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/46786/1485873392/TrumpBabyEat07.jpg
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2017-01-31T20:06:37 < kakimir> I wonder if there is SD cards that are normaly sized but cut in lenght in to just a connector
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2017-01-31T20:07:02 < kakimir> and would fit like microsd in it
2017-01-31T20:07:04 < zyp> yes, people have made all sorts of shit for rpi
2017-01-31T20:07:18 < kakimir> so I could have additional space in my computer
2017-01-31T20:07:27 < kakimir> with some 64GB microsd
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2017-01-31T20:07:40 < upgrdman> kakimir, their used to be half-height SD cards for fagbook pros
2017-01-31T20:07:44 < zyp> and there's also those sandisk sd card where the circuit board is mostly just the connector and the rest is plastic
2017-01-31T20:08:00 < kakimir> and I can manually cut it
2017-01-31T20:08:46 < zyp> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=31609 <- there's even a cutting tutorial
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2017-01-31T20:09:12 < Kliment> There is a half-size microsd to sd adapter
2017-01-31T20:09:50 < kakimir> life was better before streaming
2017-01-31T20:09:58 < kakimir> I need local space
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2017-01-31T20:10:25 < Kliment> like that http://www.memorypack.com.tw/image/Memory%20card%20reader%20adaptor/Mac%20SD%20adapter/Mac%20microSD%20to%20SD%20adapter%20memory%20card%20reader.html
2017-01-31T20:10:57 < zyp> yeah, there's a ton of shit like that too
2017-01-31T20:11:18 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/222739756105207808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
2017-01-31T20:11:38 < kakimir> "half size sd card" in google gives results
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2017-01-31T20:31:29 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-SD-SDHC-TF-to-MiniDrive-Memory-Card-Reader-Adapter-for-MacBook-Air-Pro-64G-/122275392387 I think I end up with this compromise
2017-01-31T20:31:35 < kakimir> too long but costs shit
2017-01-31T20:35:27 < kakimir> kikemir
2017-01-31T20:37:43 < Laurenceb> fingoloid
2017-01-31T20:38:18 < Laurenceb> https://pics.onsizzle.com/live-ouro-breaking-news-finngolian-horde-takes-stockh-khan-pekka-2591338.png
2017-01-31T20:38:53 < englishman> bs
2017-01-31T20:39:02 < englishman> they will cross to estonia, find there is no sauna
2017-01-31T20:39:03 < englishman> and turn around
2017-01-31T20:41:05 < kakimir> pic is true
2017-01-31T20:41:20 < kakimir> stockholm is ours
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2017-01-31T20:42:00 < Laurenceb> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1385/74/1385741934946.png
2017-01-31T20:42:15 < englishman> .fi and .no are well represented in here, where is the more populous .se
2017-01-31T20:43:49 < englishman> cathode rage tube
2017-01-31T20:43:54 < kakimir> I need cheap 64gb micro
2017-01-31T20:44:05 < kakimir> no transfer speeds required
2017-01-31T20:44:20 < kakimir> it's for pronz
2017-01-31T20:44:36 < celeron55> how about one that doesn't actually store 64GB but looks like it does
2017-01-31T20:44:56 < kakimir> I need actually store 64GB but pay for 32GB
2017-01-31T20:44:58 < celeron55> those are quite cheap
2017-01-31T20:45:46 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/iDem8X9.jpg
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2017-01-31T20:46:52  * Laurenceb heads back to /pol/
2017-01-31T20:47:20 < upgrdman> any opengl pros in here? ##opengl is kinda quiet right now.   http://imgur.com/a/aCDEs
2017-01-31T20:48:39 < englishman> i liked your video last nite
2017-01-31T20:48:42 < englishman> boy r2com sure is retarded
2017-01-31T20:48:50 < englishman> im going to make a fortune when cypress tanks
2017-01-31T20:48:58 < Laurenceb> tfw half irish https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Scientific_racism_irish.jpg
2017-01-31T20:49:12 < upgrdman> englishman, :)
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2017-01-31T20:50:46 < englishman> sweden represent
2017-01-31T20:50:48 < Laurenceb>  > tfw you go to /pol/
2017-01-31T20:50:57 < Laurenceb>  > twf "am I white"
2017-01-31T20:51:41 < Laurenceb> top kek https://i.yuki.la/pol/1460742779246.jpg
2017-01-31T20:51:49 < upgrdman> crt, ya, dongie was telling me to make some audiophool vid
2017-01-31T20:52:20 < upgrdman> i have no audiophool equipment
2017-01-31T20:52:37 < BrainDamage> but but, if QM is real everything is vibrating
2017-01-31T20:52:49 < BrainDamage> NEED ANTI QM AUDIOPHILE EQUIPMENT
2017-01-31T20:53:25 < BrainDamage> optical phonons totally ruining my soundstage
2017-01-31T20:53:39 < kakimir> I think I go for SSD update
2017-01-31T20:53:57 < kakimir> it's actually possible even the machine is a pancake model
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2017-01-31T20:54:18 < Laurenceb> pancake??
2017-01-31T20:54:31 < BrainDamage> is a pacake computer a straight upgrade from a toaster computer?
2017-01-31T20:54:57 < kakimir> yes
2017-01-31T20:56:08 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBb4WmV3uFE simples
2017-01-31T20:57:21 < upgrdman> whatever happeneds to nettops? did NUCs swallow them?
2017-01-31T20:58:58 < zyp> netbooks you mean?
2017-01-31T20:59:42 < zyp> or do you mean desktop-shit with netbook hardware?
2017-01-31T21:00:32 < zyp> netbooks was at least killed by tablets
2017-01-31T21:02:16 < kakimir> netbooks were shit
2017-01-31T21:07:54 < kakimir> not that much but rings a bell
2017-01-31T21:08:18 < kakimir> recommend 240-256GB m.2 ssd
2017-01-31T21:11:01 < kakimir> there is wd green, wd blue, kingston ssdnow, intel 600p, samsung 850 evo, intel 540s to these cheap consumer models
2017-01-31T21:11:16 < kakimir> I think I go with 850 evo
2017-01-31T21:11:23 < zyp> I like intel
2017-01-31T21:13:09 < kakimir> I should compare power consumptions too
2017-01-31T21:20:07 < kakimir> crt: why?
2017-01-31T21:24:02 < Steffanx> http://time.is/australia
2017-01-31T21:24:16 < Steffanx> Go sleep.
2017-01-31T21:25:21 < kakimir> that is like very personal question
2017-01-31T21:25:34 < kakimir> if I like hot dogs or not
2017-01-31T21:25:58 < Steffanx> People often tell you, you are weird kakimir?
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2017-01-31T21:26:45  * kakimir flies into kitchen to have some hot dogs>
2017-01-31T21:29:03 < Steffanx> Who is there?
2017-01-31T21:29:27 < Steffanx> Hi who?
2017-01-31T21:30:00 < Steffanx> Bad duck duck joke
2017-01-31T21:30:57 < aandrew> so's your english
2017-01-31T21:31:33 < Steffanx> Tell me why, aandrew
2017-01-31T21:31:58 < Steffanx> Duck off.
2017-01-31T21:33:32 < Steffanx> So why up so early crt?
2017-01-31T21:34:02 < Steffanx> Did you ever dj yourself?
2017-01-31T21:34:09 < Steffanx> Dj Stvn.
2017-01-31T21:34:23 < Steffanx> So how did you ever roll into it?
2017-01-31T21:35:03 < Steffanx> Lies. 30. More like 13.
2017-01-31T21:35:22 < Laurenceb> I'm 12 years old and what is this
2017-01-31T21:35:26 < Steffanx> Duck duck.
2017-01-31T21:36:10 < Steffanx> You wish. I dont do audio.
2017-01-31T21:36:14 < Rob235> ahh, my credit score has gone up 200 points in the last 2 1/2 years
2017-01-31T21:36:15 < Laurenceb>  > current year
2017-01-31T21:36:20 < Laurenceb>  > using vacuum tube
2017-01-31T21:36:48 < sync_> Laurenceb: but muh distrotions
2017-01-31T21:37:08 < Steffanx> Accoustic guitar or what crt?
2017-01-31T21:37:16 < Laurenceb> autistic guitar
2017-01-31T21:37:36 < Steffanx> Lautisticb.
2017-01-31T21:38:48 < Steffanx> How many whoaow foot thingies do you have crt?
2017-01-31T21:39:59 < Steffanx> Ja.
2017-01-31T21:40:15 < Steffanx> Excellent.
2017-01-31T21:40:34 < Steffanx> I cannot sing
2017-01-31T21:40:44 < Steffanx>  We should start a band
2017-01-31T21:41:05 < Steffanx> -f
2017-01-31T21:42:47 < Steffanx> He already is awake.
2017-01-31T22:01:07 < englishman> ARROW fucking me over again
2017-01-31T22:01:17 < englishman> sent straight up wrong parts
2017-01-31T22:03:06 < Steffanx> What can i do for you ?
2017-01-31T22:03:24 < englishman> muder some kittens
2017-01-31T22:03:30 < Rob235> bend over
2017-01-31T22:03:41 < englishman> allah does not wish for me to finish this fucking project
2017-01-31T22:04:20 < Laurenceb> > buying from arrow
2017-01-31T22:04:28 < englishman> first and last time
2017-01-31T22:11:52 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz6DKElSOo0
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2017-01-31T22:18:43 < upgrdman> when moving a footprint in altidongs, it snaps the footprint pin1 to the grid. how can i get it to snap, say, part of the silk to the grid
2017-01-31T22:19:57 < ReadError> its in ur initial drawing aint it?
2017-01-31T22:19:58 < ReadError> the origin 
2017-01-31T22:20:13 < upgrdman> huh
2017-01-31T22:20:36 < ReadError> the snaps
2017-01-31T22:20:43 < ReadError> 0,0
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2017-01-31T22:35:34 < englishman> you dont have pin1 as the component origin do you
2017-01-31T22:36:12 < ReadError> i hate when the shits not in the center
2017-01-31T22:36:15 < ReadError> and it jumps
2017-01-31T22:36:22 < ReadError> when you go to drag it
2017-01-31T22:52:28 < KreAture_Zzz> ReadError !
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2017-01-31T23:45:16 < upgrdman> in "pcb footprint" of this drawing... are those slot sizes the hole sizes or the anus ring size?  http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/253/KC-301287-195995.pdf
2017-01-31T23:50:11 < sync_> upgrdman: hole size
2017-01-31T23:50:26 < upgrdman> in altidongs, when i change schematic, then try to update pcb with it, validation mentions "unknown pin: pin CN13-1" etc.
2017-01-31T23:50:33 < upgrdman> i added a footprint to a schematic symbol
2017-01-31T23:50:34 < sync_> compare dim of the sideview with the slot width
2017-01-31T23:50:39 < upgrdman> wtf did i do wrong
2017-01-31T23:50:45 < upgrdman> sync_, ahh yes. thanks
2017-01-31T23:52:35 < Steffanx> crt: o brother, where art thou?
2017-01-31T23:52:50 < Steffanx> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190590/ movie about you?
2017-01-31T23:53:58 < sync_> also my cdo is triggering with that drawing
2017-01-31T23:54:04 < sync_> it uses third angle projection D:
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