--- Log opened Wed Feb 01 00:00:38 2017
2017-02-01T00:10:31 < kakimir> I need a movie
2017-02-01T00:10:34 < kakimir> recomm
2017-02-01T00:10:40 < kakimir> s
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2017-02-01T00:11:47 < kakimir> do you guise know probes to multimeter that would grasp into pins perpendculary?
2017-02-01T00:12:42 < kakimir> or i mean that pin would go in
2017-02-01T00:12:56 < kakimir> in the hole
2017-02-01T00:13:45 < englishman> cool
2017-02-01T00:13:51 < englishman> aapl all-time record high quarterly revenue
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2017-02-01T00:14:01 < englishman> almost $80 billion
2017-02-01T00:14:07 < kakimir> *I think I mean tangentially
2017-02-01T00:14:33 < kakimir> basically a pipe with some jaws in it
2017-02-01T00:16:20 < upgrdman> whats that 2x5 1.27mm header for arm jtag
2017-02-01T00:16:32 < upgrdman> i thought someone had a shithub page with urls to digikey
2017-02-01T00:16:33 < englishman> its in zypsnips
2017-02-01T00:16:37 < englishman> look at topic
2017-02-01T00:16:37 < upgrdman> oh ya
2017-02-01T00:16:38 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-01T00:16:46 < upgrdman> zypsnips. forogt what it was called
2017-02-01T00:19:52 < kakimir> I can look the type for you if needed
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2017-02-01T00:25:55 < kakimir> you prob found it
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2017-02-01T00:28:38 < kakimir> I found some nano dongs grabbers $10 a piece I have not bought those yet
2017-02-01T00:30:13 < kakimir> just wondering if those are $10 a piece how much some micro measurement stuff costs
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2017-02-01T00:33:45 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDbnNMk0pME
2017-02-01T00:33:55 < Laurenceb_> Typical Brintbong rap
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2017-02-01T01:03:50 < Laurenceb_> https://bp.langweiledich.net/CDXXXII/LangweileDich.net_Bilderparade_CDXXXII_55.jpg
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2017-02-01T01:29:02 < englishman> crt: still here?
2017-02-01T01:34:15 < Fleck> can one dump mem region using gdb to .bin file?
2017-02-01T01:35:28 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: I have heard of plan B
2017-02-01T01:35:28 < englishman> surely
2017-02-01T01:35:29 < englishman> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Dump_002fRestore-Files.html
2017-02-01T01:35:36 < kakimir> why Laurenceb_ I have?
2017-02-01T01:36:13 < Fleck> thanks englishman
2017-02-01T01:36:28 < kakimir> because of skateboards - why do I know skateboard brands?
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2017-02-01T01:37:03 < kakimir> my life is waste
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2017-02-01T01:50:01 < englishman> holy shit fuck arrow
2017-02-01T02:11:38 < kakimir> http://fi2.eu.apcdn.com/full/155465.webm
2017-02-01T02:11:59 < kakimir> englishman: any canada pics?
2017-02-01T02:12:03 < kakimir> winter and all that
2017-02-01T02:27:37 < aandrew> it's not very wintry
2017-02-01T02:27:44 < aandrew> we at least have snow
2017-02-01T02:30:20 < zyp> I like winters that's not very wintry
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2017-02-01T02:43:53 < upgrdman> so cal checking in. i like my winters... t-shirt and shorts weather for ~all of it
2017-02-01T02:44:07 < upgrdman> maybe a light jackets and pants for a couple weeks.
2017-02-01T02:49:27 < sync_> what was your lowest temp yet?
2017-02-01T02:50:51 < upgrdman> daytime i think 55F 13C
2017-02-01T02:51:12 < upgrdman> nighttime maybe down to 45F 8C
2017-02-01T02:51:43 < upgrdman> this week has been around 70F 21C during the day
2017-02-01T02:52:09 < sync_> pffft
2017-02-01T02:52:12 < zyp> it's around 0C here
2017-02-01T02:52:29 < zyp> was warmer last week, I saw up to 6C
2017-02-01T02:52:42 < zyp> but now there's a thin layer of snow again
2017-02-01T02:52:52 < fenugrec> heh. balmy -16C tonight
2017-02-01T02:52:54 < upgrdman> sync_, too cold?
2017-02-01T02:53:12 < zyp> thin enough that preheating my car melts it off in no time
2017-02-01T02:53:35 < upgrdman> lol. preheating a car. shit i dont think i've ever had to do that ;)
2017-02-01T02:53:56 < zyp> well, in summer I can also precool it
2017-02-01T02:54:32 < zyp> and it's not a matter of having to do, it's just super comfy not having to get into a cold car
2017-02-01T02:56:30 < zyp> (and being an EV, preheating it before a trip while it's still plugged in means you don't have to use battery power to bring it up to desired temperature)
2017-02-01T02:56:34 < sync_> nah, pretty nice upgrdman
2017-02-01T02:56:38 < sync_> but I think I'd get bored
2017-02-01T02:56:51 < zyp> (or again down, for that matter)
2017-02-01T02:56:56 < upgrdman> sync_, i forget, what region are you in?
2017-02-01T02:57:01 < sync_> germoney
2017-02-01T02:57:19 < upgrdman> you'd get bored of good weather?
2017-02-01T02:57:25 < sync_> yes
2017-02-01T02:57:35 < upgrdman> TIL that's possible
2017-02-01T02:59:03 < sync_> I'd also have to spend a lot more time on my motorcycles
2017-02-01T03:10:18 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: hentai is illegal in uk already
2017-02-01T03:10:32 < Laurenceb_> i'm in jail dude
2017-02-01T03:11:00 < Laurenceb_> everything is illegal in oz
2017-02-01T03:11:23 < Laurenceb_> $1.2k fine for smoking in the wrong place
2017-02-01T03:18:50 < Laurenceb_> lol chans deliver quality comment http://pastebin.com/hSCpqQu7
2017-02-01T03:29:21 < Laurenceb_> TIL just knowing who chris-chan is will destroy your life
2017-02-01T03:29:39 < upgrdman> dafuq
2017-02-01T03:29:56 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-02-01T03:30:20 < Laurenceb_> that was possibly the gayest thing ever to happen on ##stm32
2017-02-01T03:30:36 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: wtf was that pastebin
2017-02-01T03:30:47 < Laurenceb_> comment from 4chan
2017-02-01T03:37:44 < upgrdman> lol   http://i.imgur.com/UCzFvOm.png
2017-02-01T03:39:48 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling
2017-02-01T03:41:18 < jadew> like there are any kids who didn't get bullied
2017-02-01T03:44:26 < jadew> that being said, I'm gonna close that tab, I don't want my wife to know to the truth
2017-02-01T03:44:34 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-02-01T03:44:58 < jadew> they nicknamed me after my grandmother
2017-02-01T03:45:39 < jadew> evil kids
2017-02-01T03:45:52 < Laurenceb_> ok enough shitposting 4 today
2017-02-01T03:45:54  * Laurenceb_ zzz
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2017-02-01T03:59:22 < upgrdman> lol  https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/01/30/2241256/lgs-ultrafine-5k-display-becomes-useless-when-its-within-two-meters-of-a-router
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2017-02-01T04:05:36 < upgrdman> that kinda reminds me
2017-02-01T04:05:52 < upgrdman> how do you filter out conducted EMI if your signals are so high speed
2017-02-01T04:06:12 < upgrdman> i mean, you cant put a ferrite bead on the signal lines of hdmi/dp etc
2017-02-01T04:07:59 < zyp> why not?
2017-02-01T04:08:57 < upgrdman> well i guess it depends on the bead's rating...
2017-02-01T04:09:21 < zyp> keep in mind there's plenty of hdmi cables with ferrite beads on the ends
2017-02-01T04:09:24 < upgrdman> but i mean if signals are relatively weak, it seems like it would be hard to filter out noise
2017-02-01T04:09:36 < upgrdman> zyp, really? never seen that
2017-02-01T04:10:20 < upgrdman> brb
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2017-02-01T04:10:24 < zyp> https://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/39522.jpg
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2017-02-01T04:23:27 < zyp> radiated pots and pans
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2017-02-01T04:59:58 < englishman> the terminator
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2017-02-01T05:31:27 < upgrdman> the photos in the customer review....   https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Unisex-Gothic-Vintage-Victorian-Style-Steampunk-Goggles-Welding-Punk-Gothic-Glasses-Cosplay/32742203797.html
2017-02-01T05:34:13 < jadew> upgrdman, where are the customer reviews?
2017-02-01T05:34:15 < jadew> I can't find them
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2017-02-01T05:34:45 < upgrdman> jadew, click the "one votes" link just above the price
2017-02-01T05:35:08 < jadew> lol
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2017-02-01T05:38:59 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo3Hiz8v4e4
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2017-02-01T06:04:20 < PeterM> upgrdman fuckin what\
2017-02-01T06:05:49 < upgrdman> ^_^
2017-02-01T06:15:42 < upgrdman> 5
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2017-02-01T06:48:12 < upgrdman> hi
2017-02-01T06:59:52 < jadew> any ideas why ST would mark some parts to support SDIO and others SD/MMC?
2017-02-01T06:59:58 < jadew> and some have both
2017-02-01T07:01:17 < jadew> wouldn't SDIO, even if it provides some extra functionality, include SD/MMC by default?
2017-02-01T07:04:28 < jadew> could be just an error I guess
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2017-02-01T07:25:25 < Rob235> dont some only support SPI?
2017-02-01T07:25:55 < jadew> don't know
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2017-02-01T07:59:41 < boB_K7IQ> http://www.kaltech.co.il/pdf/Eureka_sd_wp1.pdf
2017-02-01T07:59:49 < boB_K7IQ> That pdf explains some differences
2017-02-01T08:00:14 < boB_K7IQ> maybe just different enough ?
2017-02-01T08:00:28 < ohsix> sup fam
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2017-02-01T08:01:20 < ohsix> i had to do a real crap thing earlier and it kept fuckign up cuz of noise i think
2017-02-01T08:01:41 < ohsix> after i trigger this thing i'm doing there's a black level reference, like a front porch on an ntsc video signal
2017-02-01T08:02:10 < ohsix> and there's a 'zero' level that isn't 0v and is less than the reference
2017-02-01T08:02:24 < ohsix> busy waiting reading the adc to look for the transition didn't work reliably
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2017-02-01T08:03:55 < ohsix> there's some phase error in the pwm tha ti start after i trigger it so i need to detect those edges, or the jitter makes the actual bins i want to put the reads into later move all over
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2017-02-01T08:49:21 < jadew> boB_K7IQ, thanks
2017-02-01T08:56:21 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/HealthyJovialGroundbeetle
2017-02-01T09:00:00 < boB_K7IQ> no problem !
2017-02-01T09:00:17 < boB_K7IQ> oshix, you playing with TV ?
2017-02-01T09:00:25 < boB_K7IQ> or was that an analogy
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2017-02-01T09:12:39 < ohsix> boB_K7IQ: not tv but it's the same thing
2017-02-01T09:13:11 < ohsix> instead of waiting for an hsync i trigger it to send a line, and it's not color
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2017-02-01T09:13:53 < ohsix> i would just wait until it was in the middle of the front porch but that gets it out of sync with the output
2017-02-01T09:14:19 < ohsix> so i need to delay to one of the signal changes (from zero level to black level, or from black level to the slightly larger signal level)
2017-02-01T09:14:33 < ohsix> or i need to find out a completely different way to clock it
2017-02-01T09:16:00 < ohsix> the trigger has to be 4 clock cycles, so i'm bit banging that then starting another faster (1mhz) clock, so there's phase error
2017-02-01T09:19:03 < ohsix> it was fun tho, hacked at it for hours today and it almost worked the whole time
2017-02-01T09:22:01 < ohsix> was watching the waveform on the scope and pulsing a pin when i was doing adc reads and stuff, just adding delays to put the samples at the right place, horrible
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2017-02-01T09:31:40 < ohsix> boop out of time, gotta be up early for surprise something
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2017-02-01T10:39:05 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-02-01T10:39:34 < dongs> im downloading arrival jewray at 60mbit on airport wifi
2017-02-01T10:46:13 < dongs> and done, time to board
2017-02-01T10:46:30 < jadew> enjoy the movie
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2017-02-01T11:42:15 < karlp> zyp: speaking of preheating cars, I don't have a preheater, but our current car has a heater element in the windscreen, and I fucking love it.
2017-02-01T11:42:51 < kakimir> how would I scale lets say 0.5 - 1.0v input to 0.0v - 5.0v range of output
2017-02-01T11:43:30 < kakimir> that 0.5v part os important so it outputs 0v
2017-02-01T11:43:59 < kakimir> i just offset non-inverting amplifier?
2017-02-01T11:44:53 < kakimir> to 0.5v and add gain until i get 5v output at 1v input?
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2017-02-01T11:45:22 < kakimir> correct?
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2017-02-01T12:38:30 < ReadError> whats pumping pumpers
2017-02-01T12:42:58 < karlp> heliosphere
2017-02-01T12:53:41 < karlp> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaD-lIRUdGc)
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2017-02-01T13:29:37 < zhivko> Hi guys! I am building STM32F303CBT6 pcb and I want to use 4 pwm's... On what PINs I need to connect those 4 tracks ?
2017-02-01T13:31:10 < zhivko> I want to have >20kHz pwm - is there any example out there how to do this - or demo board with schematics that does pwm ?
2017-02-01T13:33:16 < PeterM> in the cube software, open a new project with your device and go to the feature/pin assignments page
2017-02-01T13:33:32 < PeterM> there, select the pwm peripherals  you wish to use and the pins you want them on
2017-02-01T13:34:15 < emeryth> or open the datasheet on page 44, there you have tables that show what functions you can attach to which pins
2017-02-01T13:36:26 < zhivko> "cube software" this is open sourc e- free license ?
2017-02-01T13:37:39 < emeryth> not open source
2017-02-01T13:38:09 < zhivko> :( in datasheet they say all pins 31 are pwm ?? is that correct ?
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2017-02-01T13:39:06 < zhivko> In Table 13. STM32F303xB/STM32F303xC pin definitions I dont see word "PWM" so its hard to me to know what pins to use...
2017-02-01T13:39:22 < PeterM> PWM is often generated with the timer peripherals
2017-02-01T13:39:24 < emeryth> well there are a lot of timers so basically every pin can be PWM, but you need to be aware of the differences between timers
2017-02-01T13:39:31 < PeterM> look up that in the datasheet
2017-02-01T13:39:36 < PeterM> see whats suitable
2017-02-01T13:40:25 < zhivko> so TIM2_ and TIM1_ are there  - but I need 4 pwm >20kHz with ability to set duty - thats all...
2017-02-01T13:40:31 < zhivko> so what to use?
2017-02-01T13:40:52 < PeterM> basically any timer can do that
2017-02-01T13:41:01 < zhivko> I would like to use magic probe and eclipse for development...
2017-02-01T13:41:08 < zhivko> but this is irrelevant I guess
2017-02-01T13:43:15 < zhivko> any code example with schematics maybe ?
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2017-02-01T13:45:31 < zhivko> So what is difference: TIM2_CH1_ETR, TIM2_CH2,TIM2_CH3,TIM2_CH4 ?
2017-02-01T13:48:27 < emeryth> those are 4 channels of the same timer, they can all be used for PWM
2017-02-01T13:48:58 < PeterM> etr iirc is external trigger/clock
2017-02-01T13:53:52 < zhivko> do drive 4 pins independendly (change duty) I need 4 separate channels or one channel ?
2017-02-01T13:53:58 < zhivko> to drive 4 pins independendly (change duty) I need 4 separate channels or one channel ?
2017-02-01T13:54:16 < PeterM> one channel
2017-02-01T13:54:52 < zhivko> can I get some code example (link on net) to change 4 pin pwm-s ?
2017-02-01T13:55:09 < PeterM> google it, or ask clive1
2017-02-01T13:55:33 < zhivko> So I will use: TIM3_CH1
2017-02-01T13:56:04 < zhivko> PA6 (AF2), PB4 (AF2), PC6 (AF2), PE2 (AF2)
2017-02-01T13:56:59 < zhivko> I dont see cline1 on list of nicknames...
2017-02-01T13:57:05 < zhivko> clive1
2017-02-01T13:57:16 < zhivko> @clive1: are you here ? :)
2017-02-01T13:57:58 < emeryth> no, that's not how it works
2017-02-01T13:58:25 < emeryth> you need 4 channels
2017-02-01T14:00:18 < emeryth> https://visualgdb.com/tutorials/arm/stm32/pwm/
2017-02-01T14:01:03 < zhivko> Ah OK - this is what I wanted  to know...
2017-02-01T14:01:07 < zhivko> so 4 channels...
2017-02-01T14:02:35 < zyp> karlp, yeah, mine too, and I can preheat that as well
2017-02-01T14:03:51 < zhivko> Nice link - informative - but I dont have PDx on STM32F303CBT6TR
2017-02-01T14:03:57 < zhivko> I think ...
2017-02-01T14:04:11 < zhivko> mostly PAx and PBx
2017-02-01T14:06:26 < zhivko> @emeryth: probably need to adapt example to: tim3, and pa6, pa4, pb0, pb1 ?
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2017-02-01T14:09:31 < emeryth> zhivko: yes, but read the reference manual for STM32F3 and look at the differences between timers
2017-02-01T14:09:44 < emeryth> some have more functions etc.
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2017-02-01T15:35:58 < Steffanx> "the channel dedicated to was overrun by nazi-like trolls" except for nazi, you are a perfect fig LeelooMinai
2017-02-01T15:36:10 < Steffanx> Fit*
2017-02-01T15:38:49 < emeryth> wait what
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2017-02-01T15:48:30 < Steffanx> Some people like to cry about us emeryth :P
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2017-02-01T15:56:13 < karlp> Steffanx: were are you reading about this?
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2017-02-01T15:56:58 < englishman> jadew: isnt sdio single-data pin, sd is full width 4-pin
2017-02-01T15:57:32 < englishman> >"cube software" this is open sourc e- free license ?
2017-02-01T15:57:33 < englishman> lol
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2017-02-01T16:03:29 < Steffanx> #embedded karlp
2017-02-01T16:03:52 < Steffanx> +#
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2017-02-01T16:09:50 < englishman> ooh
2017-02-01T16:09:56 < englishman> there will be a new dune movie
2017-02-01T16:10:00 < englishman> with villeneuve as director
2017-02-01T16:10:02 < englishman> yay!
2017-02-01T16:10:08 < englishman> cant wait for blade runner either!
2017-02-01T16:11:38 < englishman> where is my Dune II floppy
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2017-02-01T16:18:02 < englishman> haha
2017-02-01T16:18:03 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/c/Gitlab/live
2017-02-01T16:18:17 < englishman> 5 backups and none of them worked
2017-02-01T16:19:32 < englishman> Regular backups seem to also only be taken once per 24 hours, though YP has not yet been able to figure out where they are stored. According to JN these don’t appear to be working, producing files only a few bytes in size.
2017-02-01T16:20:07 < sync_> well, they had backups, but not restore :D
2017-02-01T16:20:15 < englishman> lolol
2017-02-01T16:23:52 < mitrax> do SPI serial flash mems usally have WP and HOLD pulled up to VCC internally? i'm looking at several datasheets and it's not clear
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2017-02-01T16:46:59 < karlp> hrm, autodesk is making eagle better.
2017-02-01T16:47:28 < BrainDamage> considering the price bump, they'd better be
2017-02-01T16:47:40 < karlp> well, free eagle has better capabilities too.
2017-02-01T16:47:43 < karlp> standard eagle is "This product is not available in your country"
2017-02-01T16:47:45 < karlp> thanks :)
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2017-02-01T16:48:08 < karlp> still only 2 layers in paid eagle standard though. bit lame
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2017-02-01T16:52:53 < karlp> oh, no they didn't.  it's still a max 80x100mm, they're just calling it 80cm2 now. 
2017-02-01T16:52:56 < karlp> lame.
2017-02-01T16:54:53 < zyp> apparently they got rid of the noncommercial hobbyist eagle too
2017-02-01T16:55:07 < zyp> I had a license for that, that's how I did my first 4L boards
2017-02-01T16:59:12 < karlp> hrm, can't even start the app without loging into autodesk account. fucking dead
2017-02-01T16:59:41 < zyp> it's not like altium is usable either without logging into altiumlive account
2017-02-01T17:00:28 < emeb> welcome to the future where everything is subscription
2017-02-01T17:01:17  * emeb sends in his monthly air & water bill
2017-02-01T17:02:42 < Steffanx> Altium not usable without live account?
2017-02-01T17:02:51 < zyp> depends on your license
2017-02-01T17:02:57 < Steffanx> Dont you only need that for fault stuff?
2017-02-01T17:03:08 < Steffanx> Vault
2017-02-01T17:03:39 < zyp> no, it's also used to enforce that a single license is only used on one computer at a time
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2017-02-01T17:07:50 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/tGrwu.png <- there's this whole thing
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2017-02-01T17:09:42 < zyp> I think the expiry-thing on the bottom line is when my computer needs to refresh with the server
2017-02-01T17:10:47 < zyp> when other people in the organization is using that license, they also show up there, and I can't use it when there's no free seats left
2017-02-01T17:11:27 < zyp> IIRC when you're not logged into a valid license, you can still open documents, but you can't edit and save them
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2017-02-01T17:23:00 < Steffanx> Ah ok.
2017-02-01T17:36:01 < englishman> another case where piracy is a customer service + usability issue!!
2017-02-01T17:36:31 < englishman> tho altium is not too bad
2017-02-01T17:38:05 < zyp> yeah, I haven't had problems with it
2017-02-01T17:38:27 < zyp> and being able to easily log into the same license from different computers is convenient for sure
2017-02-01T17:43:35 < karlp> it's more the, "I don't want to keep paying yearly, but I'd like to keep using the version I had when I stopped paying for maintennance and upgrades"
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2017-02-01T17:44:50 < zyp> oh, yeah, I missed the «Subscription Status» col, it says «Expired» :)
2017-02-01T18:03:25 < ReadError> zyp has the coolest quotation marks
2017-02-01T18:03:40 < zyp> I know, right
2017-02-01T18:03:50 < ReadError> i dont even have a button for that
2017-02-01T18:04:59 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillemet
2017-02-01T18:05:22 < zyp> they are the standard quotation marks in norwegian
2017-02-01T18:05:54 < karlp> ReadError: alt-gr z and x? (I guess you don't have alt-gr/compose either?)
2017-02-01T18:05:57 < zyp> and I like how they nest nicely like brackets, so I like just using them for everything
2017-02-01T18:06:07 < ReadError> nope
2017-02-01T18:06:11 < ReadError> just 2 plain ole alt keys
2017-02-01T18:06:19 < zyp> for me they are alt-shift-v/b
2017-02-01T18:07:00 < karlp> “” is alt-gr+v/b for me.
2017-02-01T18:07:13 < zyp> they are alt-shift-n/m
2017-02-01T18:07:42 < karlp> nohting on n, but µ and º on m.
2017-02-01T18:07:56 < karlp> I like having µ available.
2017-02-01T18:07:58 < zyp> karlp, that's a linux keyboard layout?
2017-02-01T18:08:08  * karlp shrugs. whatever the default icelandic layout was.
2017-02-01T18:08:23 < zyp> I seem to recall that's how the norwegian layout in linux also works
2017-02-01T18:08:31 < sync_> hmm altgr v/b gives me „“
2017-02-01T18:08:42 < zyp> but I haven't used desktop linux for years now
2017-02-01T18:08:46 < karlp> keyboard is actually norwegian, just has stickers on some keys to fix it ;)
2017-02-01T18:10:28 < ReadError> mine is just shift+'
2017-02-01T18:10:48 < ReadError> simple folk here
2017-02-01T18:13:25 < karlp> finished my makefile overhaul.  old full build time: 40 seconds.  new full build time: ~4seconds.
2017-02-01T18:15:50 < karlp> make -j8 on the new styule cuts it down to ~2seconds, makes very little difference on the old style.
2017-02-01T18:21:11 < Laurenceb> actual relevance: 0
2017-02-01T18:21:23 < Laurenceb> the user does not have to compile
2017-02-01T18:21:42 < ReadError> stfu Laurenceb 
2017-02-01T18:21:51 < Laurenceb> NO
2017-02-01T18:22:12 < BrainDamage> not having to waste 1 min every rebuild sounds good
2017-02-01T18:22:28 < BrainDamage> 1min is too short to dick off and too annoyng to sit out
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2017-02-01T18:23:32 < emeb> karlp: what was the big time waster on old build?
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2017-02-01T18:24:25 < karlp> all the board variations were in header files, with maketime definitions to select them, so was basically recompilignt eh entire project fully into a different per target output obj dir each time.  27 hardware targets => much redundo
2017-02-01T18:25:37 < emeb> oh right - saw you mention new boardfiles the other day
2017-02-01T18:25:54 < karlp> now it's like 20 files that look like this: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/542494/48596634/
2017-02-01T18:26:12 < emeb> so you basically ripped all the HW dependencies out of as much code as possible and concentrated that in separate files.
2017-02-01T18:26:58 < karlp> yeah, instead of having code thinkg it was always one board, with #define BOARD_SPECIFIC SHIT it now just uses hw_details.somevalue instead.
2017-02-01T18:27:24 < karlp> the cute bit was probably this: %.elf: $(OBJDIR)/hw-%.o $(OBJS) $(LDSCRIPT) $(LIBA)
2017-02-01T18:27:34 < emeb> wonder if that impacts runtime at all?
2017-02-01T18:27:38 < karlp> to make the final elf files depend magically on the appropriate hw-% file.
2017-02-01T18:28:02 < karlp> for my use case, not in any meaningful way, but I've not tried measuring it.
2017-02-01T18:28:14 < emeb> probably minimal
2017-02-01T18:28:28 < karlp> code comparisons arne't relevant really either, a bunch of other shit got cleaned up while I was going.
2017-02-01T18:28:36 < emeb> fetching value from the structure as opposed to a constant table somewhere.
2017-02-01T18:28:56 < karlp> yeah, the literal pool is still some index to memory anyway.
2017-02-01T18:29:08 < karlp> can't really see it making a huge difference.
2017-02-01T18:29:14 < emeb> yep
2017-02-01T18:30:51 < karlp> not sure how to handle things like different IRQ handlers for usart1 vs usart2 though, I imagine that wouldn't optimize out properly, and you'd have an indirect call on every IRQ, but at present the irqs are constant, just pins and crap
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2017-02-01T19:42:52 < zyp> karlp, once you have the code like that, it shouldn't be too hard to add multi-board-support in a single firmware, assuming the firmware is able to distinguish which hardware it's running on
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2017-02-01T19:55:17 < Laurenceb> flyback: hmm I wonder why you are on ignore
2017-02-01T19:55:37 < Laurenceb> you are the only person here with your own urban dictionary page
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2017-02-01T21:05:28 < ohsix> lul
2017-02-01T21:05:56 < ohsix> i think the guy that runs the lab called me while he was still under anasthetic, told me to be in early today and nobody is here
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2017-02-01T21:07:10 < ReadError> sounds like you need to go kick his ass
2017-02-01T21:07:45 < ohsix> got another 6 hours to hax instead of 4
2017-02-01T21:08:22 < ohsix> weather went from like +8 to -8 in 24h, it blows
2017-02-01T21:11:05 < ohsix> englishman: lul charging money for the software is a customer service and usability issue too
2017-02-01T21:11:08 < Laurenceb> lul murican weather
2017-02-01T21:11:37 < ohsix> well, the pacific ocean
2017-02-01T21:11:48 < ohsix> and the earth dying and all that
2017-02-01T21:12:43 < Laurenceb> the earth mother
2017-02-01T21:12:59 < Laurenceb> Pangea, Gaia etc
2017-02-01T21:13:07 < Laurenceb> insert 90s trance here
2017-02-01T21:13:42 < ohsix> trumpstep
2017-02-01T21:13:52 < Laurenceb> thats actually a thing
2017-02-01T21:13:57 < ohsix> it sounds like kmfdm
2017-02-01T21:14:08 < ohsix> of course it is
2017-02-01T21:15:09 < Steffanx> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/7029631/b82ba499/re_darudepartij_in_osdorp.html you asked Laurenceb
2017-02-01T21:15:09 < ohsix> guh i forgot to bring shit due 2 early
2017-02-01T21:15:32 < Steffanx> Too bad the joke is even worse when you dont speak dutch.
2017-02-01T21:21:38 < Steffanx> Ah shit, that is not 90s trance.
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2017-02-01T21:36:35 < ohsix> nice, inline functions keep their comments in objdump
2017-02-01T21:37:22 < ohsix> but uh not nice it seems to put the class members you use in that function all in one inline block
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2017-02-01T22:13:52 < upgrdman> crt, what's pumping bro
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2017-02-01T22:28:10 < ReadError> that pistol grip penis pump, yadig
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2017-02-01T22:31:58 < PeterM> zyp not entiorely the case with altium, i have a standalone license (because internet is rubbish here) and i can essentailyl run altium completely offline, without being signed in.
2017-02-01T22:32:37 < zyp> yeah, the license my previous employer provided was also like that
2017-02-01T22:32:46 < zyp> they offer both options
2017-02-01T22:34:08 < englishman> but that one is per-seat right
2017-02-01T22:34:13 < englishman> so you need 1 per computer
2017-02-01T22:35:12 < PeterM> i have a CAL rather than a UAL, correct, however, since it is designed to work offline there is nothing stoppiung you using it on multiple computers
2017-02-01T22:35:37 < PeterM> i have it both on my laptop and on my desktop
2017-02-01T22:36:32 < englishman> piracy omg
2017-02-01T22:36:53 < englishman> you copied that floppy
2017-02-01T22:37:57 < jadew> speaking of floppies, I should probably back up mine, cuz I've put that off long enough
2017-02-01T22:38:29 < jadew> hopefully they still work
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2017-02-01T22:40:07 < PeterM> jadew did you leave them in the heat?
2017-02-01T22:40:15 < PeterM> or in some cold basement cupboard?
2017-02-01T22:40:36 < jadew> no, they've always been in a box, in my room
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2017-02-01T22:41:23 < jadew> problem is they're formatted at 2.88 Mb, so the density is a bit higher than they were designed for
2017-02-01T22:41:55 < PeterM> aahh, yeah, thats gonna be an issue
2017-02-01T22:42:25 < jadew> I still have the drive that can read them tho, I just hope they didn't get demagnetized
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2017-02-01T22:43:10 < zyp> I remember my dad had some software once that came with a license floppy
2017-02-01T22:43:22 < zyp> when I was a kid
2017-02-01T22:43:32 < jadew> and he had to keep the floppy in for the software to work?
2017-02-01T22:43:52 < zyp> no, but it had this process for moving the license from the floppy to the computer and back
2017-02-01T22:44:30 < zyp> idea being that it could only exist in one place
2017-02-01T22:45:02 < jadew> yeah, reminds me of the reason minidisk players failed
2017-02-01T22:45:22 < zyp> I'm not sure what would prevent somebody from just copying the floppy with the license on it, but I don't think I tried
2017-02-01T22:46:06 < kakimir> Laurenceb: it's not that hard task to find sauna mongolian anime girl
2017-02-01T22:46:22 < kakimir> *girlfriend
2017-02-01T22:47:49 < jadew> question is how do I get the data out?
2017-02-01T22:48:18 < jadew> I don't have a parallel port anymore, so no null-modem connection
2017-02-01T22:49:10 < jadew> I guess I'll have to make a program to clock the bits out of the parallel port and a dongle to receive it
2017-02-01T22:50:06 < zyp> of an old computer?
2017-02-01T22:50:10 < jadew> yeah
2017-02-01T22:50:15 < zyp> how old do we talk?
2017-02-01T22:50:20 < jadew> 486 sx
2017-02-01T22:50:35 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-02-01T22:50:35 < upgrdman> does cmd.exe have an equiv for grep? i want to do something like         netstat -foo | grep ":80"
2017-02-01T22:50:39 < zyp> what does that run?
2017-02-01T22:50:47 < jadew> DOS :)
2017-02-01T22:50:57 < PeterM> have you refreshed the floppies since then jadew
2017-02-01T22:51:02 < jadew> PeterM, no
2017-02-01T22:51:06 < kakimir> I wonder if 486 is yet not recommended for new designs
2017-02-01T22:51:16 < jadew> which makes me very curious if they still work
2017-02-01T22:51:31 < PeterM> jadew i think you're going to be pushign shit up a hill with a pointty stick
2017-02-01T22:51:32 < zyp> soo, I don't assume network is an option? :p
2017-02-01T22:51:39 < zyp> I mean, getting an ISA NIC shouldn't be too hard
2017-02-01T22:51:54 < jadew> zyp, yeah, unless I got an ISA card, but I don't
2017-02-01T22:52:05 < zyp> bet it's $10 on ebay
2017-02-01T22:52:13 < emeb> use PC speaker - encode as FSK.
2017-02-01T22:52:20 < jadew> haha
2017-02-01T22:52:31 < jadew> that's a great idea btw
2017-02-01T22:52:32 < emeb> copy to cassette tape
2017-02-01T22:52:37 < zyp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/132073950976 $6 actually
2017-02-01T22:52:52 < emeb> or load into new PC thru Mic in & decode in GnuRadio
2017-02-01T22:53:23 < jadew> the transfer rate would be awful tho
2017-02-01T22:53:27 < emeb> but probably easier to bitbang a parallel port
2017-02-01T22:53:30 < jadew> I can take advantage of the parallel interface
2017-02-01T22:53:34 < jadew> yeah
2017-02-01T22:53:36 < PeterM> zyp get with the times! http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-ISA-8-bit-Token-Ring-9-pin-Network-Card-92F4555B-EC24968-V0011-358911-Rare-/172510921845?hash=item282a73c475:g:nZgAAOSwYIxX~92T
2017-02-01T22:53:38 < englishman> hoyl shit
2017-02-01T22:53:40 < jadew> ok, I'm doing this
2017-02-01T22:53:47 < englishman> how often does ARROW have to enrage me?
2017-02-01T22:53:52 < englishman> 3x a day? MORE?
2017-02-01T22:54:04 < emeb> jadew: how is it that this machine has no serial port?
2017-02-01T22:54:06 < zyp> PeterM, haha
2017-02-01T22:54:16 < jadew> emeb, my current one?
2017-02-01T22:54:24 < emeb> no - the 486
2017-02-01T22:54:28 < PeterM> englishman whats arrows major malfunction?
2017-02-01T22:54:32 < jadew> the 486 has a serial port
2017-02-01T22:54:32 < zyp> token ring is so old that I've never encountered it
2017-02-01T22:54:33 < englishman> its non. stop
2017-02-01T22:54:57 < emeb> so use that w/ USB serial dongle - you've got an FTDI laying around no?
2017-02-01T22:55:12 < jadew> emeb, yeah, but I don't know how long that would take
2017-02-01T22:55:28 < emeb> less time than writing your own parallel port protocol
2017-02-01T22:55:53 < jadew> good point hehe, I'll give it a try
2017-02-01T22:56:46 < PeterM> zyp what about 10BASE2/5
2017-02-01T22:57:04 < emeb> true story - I've got an old HP/Agilent/Keysight E4403 spectrum analyzer with serial port. Wrote a little Windows app to grab screen captures from it over serial
2017-02-01T22:57:24 < emeb> sloooow, but better than taking phone pix of the screen.
2017-02-01T22:57:54 < zyp> PeterM, I've used 10base-2, but I don't think I ever had it at home
2017-02-01T22:58:16 < zyp> I think first home network I had was 100base-t
2017-02-01T23:00:28 < PeterM> fair nuff', tbh thats probably for the best
2017-02-01T23:00:45 < PeterM> if your BNCs werent crimped 100% perfect you'd have all kinds of obnoxious issues
2017-02-01T23:00:51 < zyp> hehe
2017-02-01T23:01:00 < zyp> I'm making up for it by running 10gbase-sr now
2017-02-01T23:01:14 < PeterM> ''''''''''''''']
2017-02-01T23:01:40 < PeterM> sorry, i just realized my ' key was installed the wrogn way around
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2017-02-01T23:02:20 < zyp> I have some -lr transceivers too, I just don't have some kilometers of fiber and anywhere it makes sense to run it to :p
2017-02-01T23:05:13 < PeterM> yeah, thats fair, i've got some 1000base-lx installed on the farm - had issues with lightning so replaced copper with glass
2017-02-01T23:05:52 < emeb> I remember we hat 10base-2 @ an old job. Coax running everywhere.
2017-02-01T23:06:32 < emeb> every now & then someone would kick it or roll a chair over it. Network down & we'd have to run around the building figuring out who did it.
2017-02-01T23:06:43 < zyp> PeterM, why -lx? if you had copper before, -sx should suffice
2017-02-01T23:06:45 < zyp> cost of cable?
2017-02-01T23:07:32 < emeb> heh - fiber to the barn
2017-02-01T23:07:36 < PeterM> the copper was not for data
2017-02-01T23:07:47 < emeb> FTTB
2017-02-01T23:08:03 < zyp> oh, ok
2017-02-01T23:08:32 < sync_> emeb: tdr on it and find out exactly where in the run it is broken
2017-02-01T23:09:14 < emeb> sync_: yeah - everyone had a TDR laying around back in the early 90s. :)
2017-02-01T23:10:22 < sync_> ~50% of the people I know who ran coax had one
2017-02-01T23:11:01 < emeb> sync_: we weren't that pro.
2017-02-01T23:14:02 < sync_> ah
2017-02-01T23:14:41 < englishman> PeterM: its non stop bullshit
2017-02-01T23:14:43 < englishman> taking 4 days to ship
2017-02-01T23:14:45 < englishman> shipping wrong shit
2017-02-01T23:14:49 < englishman> never answering the phone
2017-02-01T23:14:58 < englishman> i was on hold for 10 mins then got an *answering machine*
2017-02-01T23:15:04 < englishman> zero sales support
2017-02-01T23:15:09 < englishman> 100% passing the buck to another dept
2017-02-01T23:15:21 < englishman> website that randomly deletes shit from carts in progress
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2017-02-01T23:15:26 < englishman> currently unable to view invoices online
2017-02-01T23:15:46 < englishman> currently unable to call a salesman and bitch because he changed his number
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2017-02-01T23:15:54 < englishman> currently unable to get through to anyone and bitch about wrong parts
2017-02-01T23:16:14 < englishman> i can't afford to give them my business
2017-02-01T23:16:18 < englishman> no matter the price
2017-02-01T23:17:19 < sync_> lul
2017-02-01T23:17:22 < sync_> let the hate flow
2017-02-01T23:19:09 < emeb> englishman: who is this?
2017-02-01T23:23:31 < Steffanx> Arrow.
2017-02-01T23:29:50 < sync_> ⇧
2017-02-01T23:30:07 < sync_> they have been good to me tho when I ordered from them
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2017-02-01T23:38:00 < englishman> when i order from digikey i get it in 17 hours
2017-02-01T23:38:10 < englishman> when there is a problem i call 1 number and the person who answers fixes the problem
2017-02-01T23:38:15 < englishman> fuck arrow
2017-02-01T23:38:48 < Steffanx> How can we make your life less miserable?
2017-02-01T23:39:42 < kakimir> what is fuck arrow=
2017-02-01T23:40:19 < Steffanx> A TV series.
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2017-02-01T23:42:19 < Steffanx> www.arrow.com <= that kakimir
2017-02-01T23:42:26 < kakimir> I used to watch tv after school as a kid
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2017-02-01T23:58:38 < englishman> $aapl $128.75
2017-02-01T23:58:46 < englishman> after all time high quarterly earnings
2017-02-01T23:58:47 < englishman> woot
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2017-02-02T00:01:38 < englishman> meanwhile $amd is hemorrhaging money and is over $12
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2017-02-02T00:15:12 < karlp> zyp: indeed, now that the code's like this, a lot of other things become much smaller and saner and easier to do.
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2017-02-02T00:43:41 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWnlFZ0c4LVpRUUU/view?usp=sharing how many milliamps you would abs max in a such carbon potentiometer in worst case - continuous
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2017-02-02T00:45:56 < kakimir> and 5mA constant minumum current
2017-02-02T00:47:47 < kakimir> I plan to leave buffer out and just throw 0V to middle pin and +5.5 to corner pins
2017-02-02T00:48:31 < kakimir> center to side is 1070ohms and brush to side minimum is 230ohms
2017-02-02T00:49:38 < Fleck> hmm, making sum of two PCM samples doesn't sound good, clipping...
2017-02-02T00:54:47 < jadew> I think my LPT interface is fried
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2017-02-02T01:36:51 < jadew> I almost got it working over serial, but I have to make a level converter
2017-02-02T01:42:34 < jadew> from 0-5 to -10 to +10
2017-02-02T01:43:37 < jadew> a simple comparator should do it
2017-02-02T01:46:27 < emeb> no max2232 available?
2017-02-02T01:46:37 < jadew> nope
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2017-02-02T01:52:43 < vernon> jadew: 2 bjt's?
2017-02-02T01:55:10 < jadew> it's easier with a comparator
2017-02-02T02:00:35 < PeterM> i assume you're going from rs232 levels to ttl levels, and your ttl is rx only, oculd you not just resistor divider
2017-02-02T02:01:05 < jadew> PeterM, from rs232 to TTL is fine
2017-02-02T02:01:12 < jadew> the cable seems to handle it well
2017-02-02T02:01:38 < jadew> but it doesn't generate RS232 levels so the old PC can't receive anything
2017-02-02T02:01:43 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/domjoly/status/826888856108675072 lil trump shake rape action for yall
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2017-02-02T02:02:37 < upgrdman> in altidongs pcb, how do i change font size of all ref des's
2017-02-02T02:02:55 < ReadError> filter+select ?
2017-02-02T02:03:22 < zyp> yeah, use that F11 thing
2017-02-02T02:03:48 < zyp> I usually use it to just hide them
2017-02-02T02:04:51 < zyp> refdes was probably useful on old pcbs with huge pth parts, but on a dense smt pcb it's just a waste of area
2017-02-02T02:05:23 < ReadError> ya i turn that stuff off too, looks nasty
2017-02-02T02:05:23 < upgrdman> what f11 thing
2017-02-02T02:05:28 < ReadError> query builder
2017-02-02T02:05:31 < upgrdman> ya i hate ref des's, but work wants them
2017-02-02T02:05:38 < upgrdman> so i want them smaller and out of my way
2017-02-02T02:05:39 < ReadError> or w/e 
2017-02-02T02:05:44 < zyp> upgrdman, wat, have you never used F11 in altium?
2017-02-02T02:06:28 < upgrdman> i press f11 and nothing happens
2017-02-02T02:06:31 < zyp> that's the hotkey for the inspector window
2017-02-02T02:06:59 < ReadError> theres a few ways to get to it
2017-02-02T02:07:08 < ReadError> i think if you right click theres an option too
2017-02-02T02:07:22 < zyp> view -> workspace panels -> pcb -> pcb inspector
2017-02-02T02:07:46 < upgrdman> oh ya i've already got that open
2017-02-02T02:07:52 < upgrdman> how do i filter for red des's tho
2017-02-02T02:07:58 < zyp> text?
2017-02-02T02:08:19 < ReadError> cant you do like a select similar 
2017-02-02T02:08:30 < ReadError> if you right click on the refdef
2017-02-02T02:09:39 < zyp> yeah, setting it to display only text works
2017-02-02T02:09:56 < zyp> that will of course include any other text you might have selected as well
2017-02-02T02:10:08 < upgrdman> oh i got all ref des's selected now
2017-02-02T02:10:20 < upgrdman> but if i double click one, it sets the size for just that one
2017-02-02T02:12:39 < jadew> and it's working!
2017-02-02T02:13:21 < zyp> upgrdman, that's why you use the inspector
2017-02-02T02:13:51 < zyp> inspector show all parameters for selected objects, changing a parameter will apply to all
2017-02-02T02:14:06 < zyp> and that naturally goes for font size as well
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2017-02-02T02:14:48 < upgrdman> i did the filter
2017-02-02T02:14:54 < upgrdman> if i go to pcb tab, theres nothign there
2017-02-02T02:15:02 < upgrdman> even tho all refdes's are select
2017-02-02T02:15:12 < zyp> did the what?
2017-02-02T02:15:27 < upgrdman> pcb filter tab
2017-02-02T02:15:34 < upgrdman> i set filter to IsDesignator
2017-02-02T02:15:37 < upgrdman> and selected them all
2017-02-02T02:15:46 < upgrdman> in pcb tab, nothing shows
2017-02-02T02:15:51 < zyp> wtf
2017-02-02T02:16:17 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/RkwEj.png <- just do this
2017-02-02T02:17:15 < zyp> that's literally just ctrl-a, and then «Include only Texts» in the top of the inspector
2017-02-02T02:22:42 < upgrdman> wtf
2017-02-02T02:22:51 < upgrdman> pcb inspector has checkbox next to it
2017-02-02T02:22:53 < upgrdman> but wtf did it go
2017-02-02T02:23:04 < ReadError> i keep it open on the left
2017-02-02T02:23:07 < ReadError> like a pro
2017-02-02T02:23:23 < upgrdman> i'd like to
2017-02-02T02:23:27 < upgrdman> but WHERE THE FUCK DID IT GO
2017-02-02T02:23:34 < ReadError> open it again, bottom right
2017-02-02T02:23:37 < zyp> I don't, I've got too much other shit on the left side already
2017-02-02T02:23:46 < ReadError> zyp: as a tab?
2017-02-02T02:23:50 < ReadError> what else useful is there to keep there
2017-02-02T02:23:53 < upgrdman> ReadError, i've tried that like five time
2017-02-02T02:23:57 < upgrdman> uncheck it
2017-02-02T02:23:58 < upgrdman> check it
2017-02-02T02:24:04 < upgrdman> no visible changes either time
2017-02-02T02:24:11 < ReadError> you selecting the parts right?
2017-02-02T02:24:16 < ReadError> not the text?
2017-02-02T02:24:27 < zyp> ReadError, project tree most of the time
2017-02-02T02:24:43 < upgrdman> view -> workspace panels -> pcb -> pcb inspector
2017-02-02T02:24:55 < upgrdman> checking or unchecking has no visible effect on the GUI
2017-02-02T02:24:56 < upgrdman> wtf
2017-02-02T02:24:59 < ReadError> lol 
2017-02-02T02:25:14 < ReadError> did you drag it somewhere stupid?
2017-02-02T02:25:17 < ReadError> reset the ui
2017-02-02T02:25:30 < upgrdman> how
2017-02-02T02:25:37 < ReadError> theres an option somewhere
2017-02-02T02:25:53 < ReadError> i dont have my vm on this machine so cant look direct
2017-02-02T02:27:01 < zyp> thing about the inspector is that when I'm using it, I don't want a small little thing hidden away on one side, and when I'm not using it I don't want it getting in the way
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2017-02-02T02:27:21 < zyp> and since toggling it is mapped to F11 by default, I just show/hide it as required
2017-02-02T02:28:06 < upgrdman_> ahh FFS
2017-02-02T02:28:45 < ReadError> zyp: project tree isnt used super often for me
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2017-02-02T02:28:57 < ReadError> easy enough to switch tabs if needed 
2017-02-02T02:29:13 < upgrdman__> undocked my bro4 and inspector shows up
2017-02-02T02:29:15 < upgrdman__> altidongs must have shoved it somewhere off screen
2017-02-02T02:29:46 < zyp> ReadError, I like referencing older projects
2017-02-02T02:30:08 < ReadError> zyp: cant switch w/ the top 'tab' thing?
2017-02-02T02:30:22 < zyp> sure, for files that are already open
2017-02-02T02:30:27 < ReadError> ah
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2017-02-02T02:32:45 < zyp> the red icon for unsaved files also makes it pretty obvious if you forget to save, it's more visible than the little asterisk in the tab line
2017-02-02T02:52:26 < ReadError> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/xbox-and-playstation-gamers-details-hacked/
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2017-02-02T03:07:37 < Laurenceb_> newflash: they are a bunch of 12 years olds together with some permavirgins
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2017-02-02T03:16:24 < englishman> hahahha
2017-02-02T03:16:30 < englishman> xbox360iso accounts were haxed
2017-02-02T03:16:39 < englishman> if you put your real name and address in there
2017-02-02T03:16:42 < englishman> you deserve it
2017-02-02T03:17:24 < englishman> oh the days of driveflashing c4eva firmware
2017-02-02T03:18:25 < ReadError> that Utopia dreamcast boot CD, yo
2017-02-02T03:18:49 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQD8ibvp1c
2017-02-02T03:19:12 < BrainDamage> but but, think of all the death threats that now could be followed up
2017-02-02T03:23:21 < jadew> ffs.. the issue was windows xp
2017-02-02T03:23:47 < jadew> once I disabled "prevent this program from whatever harmful" it worked
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2017-02-02T03:31:26 < PeterM> jadew friends dont let friends use XP
2017-02-02T03:32:31 < jadew> that's what I have on my only PC that has an LPT port
2017-02-02T03:32:38 < jadew> it's an ibm thinkpad
2017-02-02T03:33:29 < jadew> I still like it, but not enough to reinstall the OS :P
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2017-02-02T03:46:10 < jadew> I found some programs from a contest (not by me), showing what you can do in 4k bytes
2017-02-02T03:46:20 < jadew> (3d graphics)
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2017-02-02T04:03:10 < englishman> $ tho
2017-02-02T04:03:32 < englishman> wheres the cheap one you chatted about a couple days ago
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2017-02-02T04:51:35 < jadew> found my old porn, but it's compressed with password...
2017-02-02T04:51:41 < jadew> idiot...
2017-02-02T04:53:34 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-02-02T04:54:05 < aandrew> jadew: wtf is going on in .ro? the new gov is trying to say "you must have fucked the public out of $40k before it's truly illegal" ?
2017-02-02T04:54:35 < jadew> aandrew, don't know
2017-02-02T04:54:46 < jadew> I didn't watch the news
2017-02-02T04:55:06 < jadew> as you can see, I have better things to do :P
2017-02-02T04:55:31 < aandrew> bust out the rainbow tables so you can bust a nut
2017-02-02T04:56:01 < jadew> I will
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2017-02-02T05:09:40 < jadew> it's bruteforcing, seems like it's going to take a while
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2017-02-02T05:24:09 < aandrew> might have to use your imagination instead
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2017-02-02T05:47:35 < upgrdman> write come opencl/cuda shit
2017-02-02T05:47:41 < upgrdman> more geek cred
2017-02-02T05:47:54 < upgrdman> h4x0ring your porn passwords
2017-02-02T05:49:05 < jadew> upgrdman, there are already some for this specific purpose
2017-02-02T06:13:29 < ReadError> how can you cycle between windows in Windows
2017-02-02T06:13:34 < ReadError> like of the same app
2017-02-02T06:13:40 < jadew> ctrl + tab?
2017-02-02T06:13:43 < ReadError> 2 chrome windows for example
2017-02-02T06:13:47 < jadew> ah
2017-02-02T06:14:04 < jadew> don't know
2017-02-02T06:15:07 < zyp> hey, recommend me a book
2017-02-02T06:15:10 < zyp> I like scifi
2017-02-02T06:15:28 < ReadError> check out the Zak Zyz
2017-02-02T06:15:41 < ReadError> theres words n stuff
2017-02-02T06:15:54 < zyp> the what?
2017-02-02T06:16:15 < zyp> http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/14560597.Zak_Zyz <- this guy?
2017-02-02T06:16:27 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/Xan-Ink-Zak-Zyz/dp/1535003995
2017-02-02T06:16:29 < ReadError> ya loool
2017-02-02T06:17:56 < englishman> did you already read all the neal stephenson
2017-02-02T06:18:19 < zyp> englishman, probably not all, but most
2017-02-02T06:18:29 < englishman> how about gk chesterson
2017-02-02T06:19:14 < zyp> not heard about
2017-02-02T06:20:20 < englishman> the man who was thursday
2017-02-02T06:20:25 < englishman> is like, pre-scifi
2017-02-02T06:20:34 < zyp> hmm, most is probably a gross overstatement, neal stephenson has written a ton of shit
2017-02-02T06:20:58 < englishman> one hundred years of solitude, appeals to the explorer
2017-02-02T06:21:00 < zyp> I've read snow crash, cryptonomicon, anathem and seveneves
2017-02-02T06:21:08 < englishman> highly recommended
2017-02-02T06:22:43 < ReadError> jadew: vistaswitch does it
2017-02-02T06:22:47 < ReadError> alt+` yaaay
2017-02-02T06:22:50 < zyp> I think I'm in the mood for something newer
2017-02-02T06:23:14 < zyp> I just finished Rainbows End, by Vernor Vinge
2017-02-02T06:26:23 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-02-02T06:26:27 < emeb_mac> people are cheap
2017-02-02T06:27:22 < zyp> I've seen single sided smt boards as well, shit's weird
2017-02-02T06:27:23 < emeb_mac> yeah - got some stupid solar-powered toys @ the dollar store.
2017-02-02T06:27:41 < emeb_mac> tore one apart - lots of hand soldering
2017-02-02T06:28:19 < zyp> one of my friends were picking apart some shit to modify it, turned out the board inside was single side smt
2017-02-02T06:28:22 < ReadError> zyp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1vIdMtmmkc
2017-02-02T06:28:41 < ReadError> short audio story buy the guy
2017-02-02T06:29:20 < ReadError> nigga u going to shop for HDMI cables
2017-02-02T06:29:22 < ReadError> quit frontin 
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2017-02-02T06:49:30 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/75un4uebt9dy.jpg
2017-02-02T06:53:54 < upgrdman> lol  https://gfycat.com/UnknownEllipticalIndianrockpython
2017-02-02T07:01:59 < ReadError> original goatse
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2017-02-02T07:39:05 < ReadError> dongs: http://i.imgur.com/L3YYCE0.gifv
2017-02-02T07:39:07 < ReadError> japstyle
2017-02-02T07:41:50 < englishman> well no wonder people keep getting on, the train never leaves
2017-02-02T07:42:42 < englishman> doors should be open like 8-10s tops
2017-02-02T07:43:30 < ReadError> thats gotta be super uncomfortable 
2017-02-02T07:43:41 < ReadError> dont get ur dick shut in the door
2017-02-02T07:43:58 < ReadError> how do you get out for a stop
2017-02-02T07:44:01 < ReadError> if you are in the middle
2017-02-02T07:44:01 < englishman> theres another gif with exactly that
2017-02-02T07:44:07 < ReadError> crowd surf?
2017-02-02T07:44:20 < englishman> no, the dick door
2017-02-02T07:44:31 < ReadError> o right
2017-02-02T07:44:41 < ReadError> japs will only suffer pixel damage 
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2017-02-02T08:39:28 < ohsix> lul re: question yesterday about edge detection
2017-02-02T08:39:33 < ohsix> if i connect the wire up it works!
2017-02-02T08:39:52 < ohsix> i'd moved the thing due to how i wired in the filter and didn't hook it back up to the adc input
2017-02-02T08:40:08 < ohsix> what's weird is that it sort of worked sometimes due to the clock noise :D
2017-02-02T08:41:15 < ohsix> zyp: snow crash
2017-02-02T08:41:24 < ohsix> oh hahah englishman already said
2017-02-02T08:41:41 < ohsix> not that i've read it, but people usually mention it first when someone says scifi
2017-02-02T08:41:55 < ohsix> The Expanse just started S2 tonight! if you haven't seen that it's worth it
2017-02-02T08:43:34 < ReadError> Becoming.Warren.Buffett.2017.HDTV.x264-aAF
2017-02-02T08:43:50 < PeterM> dding dong bannu
2017-02-02T08:45:05 < ohsix> is that crazy frog
2017-02-02T08:45:25 < PeterM> so, hows your electric longboard going readerror?
2017-02-02T08:45:38 < ReadError> PeterM: same
2017-02-02T08:45:42 < ReadError> works fine, no fires
2017-02-02T08:45:57 < PeterM> thats good to hear
2017-02-02T08:46:07 < ohsix> i'm building a t gantry for some junk
2017-02-02T08:46:08 < ReadError> not really had a chance to let it rip yet
2017-02-02T08:46:22 < ReadError> like top speed wise
2017-02-02T08:46:26 < PeterM> thats dissappointing
2017-02-02T08:46:36 < ReadError> can go up about any incline though
2017-02-02T08:46:38 < ohsix> hurf iptorrents is being ddos'd or something, no new posts either
2017-02-02T08:46:40 < ReadError> geared for that
2017-02-02T08:46:41 < PeterM> i saw some of those electric standup scooters
2017-02-02T08:47:05 < PeterM> geared for 35mph/50km, 3kw~ or so
2017-02-02T08:47:10 < PeterM> thats fuckign scary
2017-02-02T08:47:33 < ReadError> I imagine it could hit 30mph easy
2017-02-02T08:48:03 < PeterM> a longboard is fine because its mroe difficult ot make super sharp turns
2017-02-02T08:48:05 < ReadError> I need to finish adding the encoders
2017-02-02T08:48:08 < ohsix> lul
2017-02-02T08:48:17 < PeterM> but those stand up scooters, stitch the steering youre broken bones
2017-02-02T08:48:21 < ohsix> i told the guy that owns the hobbyshop that i needed a lipo for something
2017-02-02T08:48:33 < ohsix> he was real excited to tell me which one, like he was offering
2017-02-02T08:48:55 < PeterM> twitch*
2017-02-02T08:50:36 < ReadError> like those razer style ones ?
2017-02-02T08:50:44 < ReadError> with the inline wheel?
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2017-02-02T08:51:05 < ohsix> hub motor
2017-02-02T08:51:09 < jadew> 2 hours 20 @ 6700 passwords/s and still no password
2017-02-02T08:51:19 < ohsix> what are you doing jadew 
2017-02-02T08:51:31 < ReadError> I got 6 extra motors
2017-02-02T08:51:37 < ReadError> I need to find something to sperger on 
2017-02-02T08:51:37 < jadew> ohsix, bruteforcing my way into my old porn
2017-02-02T08:51:47 < PeterM> ReadError yeah those but not shittily built
2017-02-02T08:51:50 < ohsix> zip file?
2017-02-02T08:51:59 < PeterM> http://www.electric-scooters-info.com/images/stories/evo-1000-watt-electric-scooter.jpg
2017-02-02T08:52:05 < jadew> ohsix, rar
2017-02-02T08:52:20 < ReadError> trampa came out w/ an electric kit
2017-02-02T08:52:24 < ReadError> but its really fucking $$$
2017-02-02T08:52:32 < ReadError> I like the gears they had done though
2017-02-02T08:52:36 < ohsix> heh i found a notepad from like 95 with passwords written in it
2017-02-02T08:52:47 < ohsix> one was robocop related and i'd forgotten it entirely
2017-02-02T08:52:59 < PeterM> im building a electric minibike heavily inspired by the honda motocompo
2017-02-02T08:53:14 < PeterM> been clocking up some serious hours on hte welder lately
2017-02-02T08:53:58 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-02-02T08:54:29 < jadew> found something cool: http://5.12.8.185/stuff/ANIMATE.RAR
2017-02-02T08:54:30 < PeterM> getting a tan indoors
2017-02-02T08:54:37 < jadew> you'll probably need a dos emulator to run that
2017-02-02T08:55:11 < jadew> you won't believe what that guy managed to squeeze in 4kb
2017-02-02T08:55:42 < dongs> sup r2blog
2017-02-02T08:57:52 < dongs> thats cuz cuck rift is garbage
2017-02-02T08:58:00 < dongs> go to HTC store and try vive
2017-02-02T08:58:08 < dongs> occulus pedorift
2017-02-02T08:58:31 < jadew> R2COM, there's VR porn now
2017-02-02T08:58:39 < dongs> dunno, never bothered with occulus shit.
2017-02-02T09:00:28 < jadew> Vive has eye tracking?
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2017-02-02T09:05:10 < ohsix> lul iptorrents might have got feds
2017-02-02T09:05:23 < ohsix> shit is really broke and nobody has said shit on the forums for 15 hours
2017-02-02T09:06:05 < ohsix> no uploads for 5h either
2017-02-02T09:08:42 < ReadError> The server load is very high at the moment. Retrying, please wait...
2017-02-02T09:09:06 < ReadError>  possible its just serving static content 
2017-02-02T09:09:14 < ReadError> or cached
2017-02-02T09:10:24 < ohsix> nah i'm getting some that expire to 504 to cloudflare
2017-02-02T09:18:29 < ohsix> also search requests happen instantly and return not found
2017-02-02T09:18:37 < ReadError> not interchangable 
2017-02-02T09:18:48 < ReadError> cant fpv w/ vive 
2017-02-02T09:22:05 < ohsix> why can't you?
2017-02-02T09:26:03 < ohsix> hrm
2017-02-02T09:26:15 < ohsix> what kind of book would a t gantry / interesting x/y motion stages be in
2017-02-02T09:26:18 < ohsix> just a robotics book?
2017-02-02T09:26:26 < ReadError> windows has the worst fucking error logging ever
2017-02-02T09:27:09 < ohsix> or is it
2017-02-02T09:27:46 < ohsix> is it lack of a message when you need one, or it being nonsense and useless
2017-02-02T09:27:59 < ReadError> its just garbage 
2017-02-02T09:28:08 < ReadError> TCP/IP failed to establish an outgoing connection because the selected local endpoint was recently used to connect to the same remote endpoint. This error typically occurs when outgoing connections are opened and closed at a high rate, causing all available local ports to be used and forcing TCP/IP to reuse a local port for an outgoing connection. To
2017-02-02T09:28:09 < ReadError> minimize the risk of data corruption, the TCP/IP standard requires a minimum time period to elapse between successive connections from a given local endpoint to a given remote endpoint.
2017-02-02T09:28:14 < ReadError> doesnt tell you what port/service etc
2017-02-02T09:28:29 < ReadError> or even what invoked it 
2017-02-02T09:28:31 < ReadError> garbage
2017-02-02T09:30:06 < ohsix> eh
2017-02-02T09:30:22 < ohsix> you can look at that in process explorer or the network view in the task manager
2017-02-02T09:30:33 < ohsix> also you don't use that shit anymore for that junk
2017-02-02T09:30:42 < ohsix> there's the resource monitor that has some default graphs and shit setup
2017-02-02T09:30:46 < ReadError> ....
2017-02-02T09:30:58 < ReadError> its not quite that simple
2017-02-02T09:30:59 < ohsix> booting windows lul
2017-02-02T09:31:03 < ohsix> for that it is
2017-02-02T09:31:12 < ReadError> no, its vcenter 
2017-02-02T09:31:20 < ReadError> which also logs in C:\ProgramData
2017-02-02T09:31:23 < ohsix> doesn't matter
2017-02-02T09:31:36 < ohsix> it isn't intercepting tcp connections, so that message is from the host
2017-02-02T09:32:04 < ohsix> it'll be bridging and not even seeing it, or doing nat and you'd get collision warnings, not tcp state table shit like that message
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2017-02-02T09:33:14 < ohsix> there's a tool to monitor that shit as part of vcenter too, isn't there
2017-02-02T09:34:00 < ReadError> R2COM: 1) its expensive
2017-02-02T09:34:03 < ReadError> 2) latency 
2017-02-02T09:34:08 < ReadError> 3) still SD
2017-02-02T09:34:21 < ReadError> stanturd def
2017-02-02T09:34:57 < englishman> heh
2017-02-02T09:35:48 < ReadError> meaningless hm 
2017-02-02T09:36:13 < englishman> R2COM has lots of experience in fpv
2017-02-02T09:36:15 < englishman> apparently
2017-02-02T09:36:22 < englishman> he is an expert
2017-02-02T09:36:26 < ReadError> also it doesnt just rawdawg HDMI
2017-02-02T09:36:50 < englishman> no
2017-02-02T09:36:53 < ReadError> think about how the screen is
2017-02-02T09:36:55 < ReadError> split
2017-02-02T09:36:59 < ReadError> 2 eyes
2017-02-02T09:37:19 < ReadError> you dont just plug it into HDMI and expect it to work worth a shit
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2017-02-02T09:39:21 < zhivko> Can somebody check https://goo.gl/photos/QoRZXY7H7Tu4EepaA
2017-02-02T09:39:35 < ReadError> hm yes, it is indeed a link
2017-02-02T09:39:38 < zhivko> What are those conflicts?
2017-02-02T09:39:52 < zhivko> How to resolve?
2017-02-02T09:41:21 < englishman> looks like PA0 is shared between comparator+ and adc1 channel 1
2017-02-02T09:41:46 < englishman> easiest thing is probably to use a different adc channel
2017-02-02T09:42:17 < englishman> you can check the datasheet to see which pins are mapped to which peripherals
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2017-02-02T09:43:12 < dongs> FAGGOT
2017-02-02T09:43:14 < dongs> took advice and ran
2017-02-02T09:43:53 < englishman> weird
2017-02-02T09:44:03 < englishman> datasheet says PA0 is comp_inm
2017-02-02T09:44:09 < englishman> and PA1 is comp_inp
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2017-02-02T09:44:19 < ohsix> hrm shit
2017-02-02T09:44:28 < ohsix> loonix header changes breaking vmware is dum
2017-02-02T09:45:15 < jadew> ffs... how long does it take to bruteforce a password?
2017-02-02T09:45:28 < ReadError> why did you encrypt it you big dummy
2017-02-02T09:46:03 < jadew> I was afraid of the remote possibility that my mom might look through my floppies
2017-02-02T09:46:20 < englishman> and why does this specific midget bondage fairy fetish pique your interest this specific day
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2017-02-02T09:46:38 < jadew> englishman, it's been on my mind for years, but now I found it!
2017-02-02T09:47:25 < jadew> and it's just a couple of frames, missionary action, nothing special
2017-02-02T09:47:31 < jadew> I just want to see it again
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2017-02-02T09:47:46 < jadew> it's also an exe :D
2017-02-02T09:48:17 < zhivko> I tried to move adc but now red under i2s2: Inter Inter Sound not available...
2017-02-02T09:48:45 < zhivko> Is there some option to get error report in text form in CubeMX ?
2017-02-02T09:48:59 < englishman> doubt it
2017-02-02T09:49:04 < englishman> open up that datasheet
2017-02-02T09:49:16 < englishman> you need it anyway
2017-02-02T09:50:35 < sync_> zhivko: do you need i2s? if not, then you are fine
2017-02-02T09:52:15 < zhivko> No
2017-02-02T09:52:28 < zhivko> I dont need i2s - just scared about errors :)
2017-02-02T09:52:47 < zhivko> I'm first time user - and I dont want to make pcb with such errror....
2017-02-02T09:53:13 < zhivko> How to knoww which errors is not relevant and whay... hmm...
2017-02-02T09:53:31 < zhivko> then another error I have under Opamp3
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2017-02-02T09:55:14 < zhivko> Conflict with ADC3 : ADC# in1 in1 single-ended and/or Only active when DAC channel out2 is enabled
2017-02-02T09:55:25 < zhivko> Conflict with ADC3 : ADC3 in1 in1 single-ended and/or Only active when DAC channel out2 is enabled
2017-02-02T09:56:45 < zhivko> IS this error OK ?
2017-02-02T09:56:54 < zhivko> I mean can I ignore it ?
2017-02-02T09:59:49 < zhivko> https://goo.gl/photos/VVhoo7WfPzvCSmxD8
2017-02-02T09:59:55 < zhivko> BUt I use it :)
2017-02-02T10:01:02 < zhivko> Is it problem in single ended - should I go with differential  ?
2017-02-02T10:01:13 < dongs> shouldnt you know that?
2017-02-02T10:01:29 < zhivko> is it like if it is differential it needs dac ?
2017-02-02T10:01:41 < dongs> no, if it differential it needs 2 channels, probably adjacent
2017-02-02T10:01:46 < dongs> why not take a look at RM
2017-02-02T10:01:54 < zhivko> sory I meant single-ended than it needs dac ?
2017-02-02T10:02:03 < dongs> it does not
2017-02-02T10:02:04 < zhivko> RM = ?
2017-02-02T10:02:08 < dongs> referencce manual
2017-02-02T10:02:10 < dongs> pdf that you should have open
2017-02-02T10:02:12 < zhivko> datasheet ?
2017-02-02T10:02:13 < dongs> while using that cube shit
2017-02-02T10:02:14 < dongs> no.
2017-02-02T10:02:16 < dongs> reference manual.
2017-02-02T10:05:22 < zhivko> OK opened it - now I should now what to look for analog input ?
2017-02-02T10:05:58 < zhivko> The STM32F303x6/8 and STM32F328x8 devices have only ADC1 and ADC2
2017-02-02T10:06:13 < zhivko> so probably moving to adc2 or adc4 is not an option
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2017-02-02T10:07:19 < ohsix> the internet is piss slow
2017-02-02T10:07:26 < ohsix> what is going on
2017-02-02T10:07:56 < ohsix> nzbclub.com is failing it right now too
2017-02-02T10:08:40 < zhivko> https://goo.gl/photos/fTr5GjGjBYrboSZc7
2017-02-02T10:08:48 < zhivko> so I moved back to adc1 and adc2
2017-02-02T10:09:13 < zhivko> there is this comp7 error - that I dont know if I can ignore or not...
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2017-02-02T10:35:45 < jadew> aandrew, apparently the protests are about pardon law
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2017-02-02T10:43:41 < boB_K7IQ> zhivko  I think it just means that the comparator is not available for that pin.  And it gives you the reason if you want to try and make it work.  But you will have to give up something somewhere else.  Just not enough pins on these parts to use every single function.  I ran into the same thing but did not need the functions
2017-02-02T10:44:52 < boB_K7IQ> I think you can ignore it
2017-02-02T10:47:27 < ohsix> ReadError: do you see the clock on the main page? :p
2017-02-02T10:48:42 < ReadError> which?
2017-02-02T10:52:29 < ohsix> ipt
2017-02-02T10:52:42 < ReadError> i see the time 
2017-02-02T10:52:44 < ReadError> its right
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2017-02-02T10:53:02 < ohsix> http://internetpulse.keynote.com/ hoho
2017-02-02T10:53:49 < ohsix> http://downdetector.com/status/level3/map/ looks serious
2017-02-02T10:53:59 < ohsix> my upstream is level3 lol;[
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2017-02-02T10:54:03 < zhivko> Dongs not realy
2017-02-02T10:54:18 < zhivko> I am on bad 3g line
2017-02-02T10:54:26 < zhivko> Still here
2017-02-02T10:55:20 < zhivko> Does adc implies i need comparator also?
2017-02-02T11:02:26 < ohsix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23909879/ lul seems fine!
2017-02-02T11:05:29 < zhivko> @dongs: are you here?
2017-02-02T11:06:48 < ReadError> grab the refman and look things over
2017-02-02T11:06:56 < ReadError> each ADC has many channel
2017-02-02T11:08:55 < zhivko> In cubemx for adc there is no way to select another channel
2017-02-02T11:09:03 < zhivko> Or it is?
2017-02-02T11:09:29 < zhivko> There is only differential / single ended option
2017-02-02T11:09:37 < zhivko> Under adc
2017-02-02T11:18:23 < ohsix> well shit, internet may as well nto be up at all like this
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2017-02-02T11:24:50 < ohsix> ReadError: whatever it was, it just stopped
2017-02-02T11:25:20 < ohsix> 5 horus 40 minute gap
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2017-02-02T11:27:31 < zhivko1> I don't get why cubemx bothers me with comparator - I just need adc - and  I cannot set this any where in cubemx
2017-02-02T11:29:06 < Steffanx> Time to go oldskool. Print pin out, pin table, markers and.. Go :)
2017-02-02T11:29:29 < ReadError> are you sure its just not saying its not avail?
2017-02-02T11:29:38 < ReadError> and its not an actual issue?
2017-02-02T11:31:49 < ohsix> http://www.city-data.com/forum/internet/862976-search-engine-best-unfiltered-unbiased-information.html loool
2017-02-02T11:31:58 < zhivko1> @ReadError: yes it is saying it is not available...
2017-02-02T11:32:06 < ReadError> yea so whats the problem?
2017-02-02T11:32:09 < ReadError> if you arent using it
2017-02-02T11:32:14 < zhivko1> Sinc eI am total newbie on stm32 - I dont know why it marks it in red
2017-02-02T11:32:26 < ReadError> because its saying hey, u cant use this
2017-02-02T11:32:30 < zhivko1> Yes I am not using it - in software I would read only adc
2017-02-02T11:32:31 < ReadError> then you say, well fine
2017-02-02T11:32:34 < ReadError> i dont need it
2017-02-02T11:32:39 < ReadError> and keep it moving
2017-02-02T11:32:39 < zhivko1> AHHHH - ok...
2017-02-02T11:32:53 < ReadError> -idk i dont use timecube
2017-02-02T11:32:55 < zhivko1> I am not to be using Comp anyway - but I want to use adc...
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2017-02-02T11:33:01 < ReadError> but thats what I would guess
2017-02-02T11:33:08 < ReadError> try to generate the code
2017-02-02T11:33:10 < ReadError> see if it works
2017-02-02T11:33:13 < zhivko1> so this means I can safely ignore it - THANK YOU
2017-02-02T11:33:24 < zhivko1> Yes it geenerates code
2017-02-02T11:33:43 < ReadError> yea
2017-02-02T11:34:17 < zhivko1> Another thing - toolchain ide
2017-02-02T11:34:30 < zhivko1> I want to use Eclipse and opensourc etools
2017-02-02T11:34:32 < zhivko1> I want to use Eclipse and opensource tools
2017-02-02T11:34:44 < zhivko1> and black magic probe for debugging
2017-02-02T11:35:04 < ReadError> i use chibistudio and jlink or stlinkv2
2017-02-02T11:35:16 < zhivko1> What Toolchain / Ide I need to select there under project settings ?
2017-02-02T11:35:16 < ReadError> dont believe in blackmagic personally
2017-02-02T11:35:24 < ReadError> gcc ? idk
2017-02-02T11:35:29 < ReadError> dont use timecube either
2017-02-02T11:36:31 < zhivko1> anbody here uses eclipse ?
2017-02-02T11:36:50 < ReadError> crt is eclipse pro
2017-02-02T11:36:53 < ReadError> masturbator 
2017-02-02T11:37:18 < zhivko1> so crt you use cubemx ?
2017-02-02T11:37:40 < zhivko1> what ti select under Toolchain ?
2017-02-02T11:38:05 < zhivko1> what to select under Toolchain - to generate eclipse friendly proj?
2017-02-02T11:38:16 < dongs> nothing
2017-02-02T11:38:21 < dongs> cube doesnt generate opensores
2017-02-02T11:38:24 < dongs> use cube + keil
2017-02-02T11:38:27 < dongs> which stm32 is it?
2017-02-02T11:38:31 < dongs> F/L0?
2017-02-02T11:38:34 < zhivko1> stm32f03
2017-02-02T11:38:48 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/stmicroelectronics-stm32/mdk
2017-02-02T11:38:51 < dongs> done
2017-02-02T11:38:57 < ReadError> f303*
2017-02-02T11:39:00 < dongs> free, legal, and works out of hte box
2017-02-02T11:39:08 < zhivko1> stm32f303cbtx
2017-02-02T11:39:12 < zhivko1> sorry
2017-02-02T11:39:16 < dongs> oic then necver mind
2017-02-02T11:39:21 < dongs> enjoy opensorss aids
2017-02-02T11:40:14 < emeryth> there are scripts to convert cubemx projects to open sores
2017-02-02T11:40:19 < ReadError> does keil even support BMP ?
2017-02-02T11:40:27 < ReadError> I thought it exported to sysworkbench
2017-02-02T11:40:31 < dongs> does f303 even exist in that 32lqfp you were pasting?
2017-02-02T11:40:34 < ReadError> which is eclipse?
2017-02-02T11:40:34 < dongs> or did you already change package
2017-02-02T11:40:40 < ReadError> or w/e that fucking
2017-02-02T11:40:42 < ReadError> AC6 shit was
2017-02-02T11:40:50 < ReadError> french faggotry 
2017-02-02T11:42:09 < zhivko1> so should I try using Keil SW ?
2017-02-02T11:43:05 < emeryth> zhivko1: https://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/
2017-02-02T11:43:44 < zhivko1> emeryth: thank you will try that!
2017-02-02T11:54:41 < zhivko1> :( I will try that... :)
2017-02-02T11:55:56 < jadew> crt, lol
2017-02-02T11:57:58 < jadew> is he going to take his pants down?
2017-02-02T11:58:24 < jadew> "it's ruined, don't you see?"
2017-02-02T11:58:47 < jadew> holly fuck
2017-02-02T11:58:54 < jadew> he's totally mental
2017-02-02T11:59:17 < jadew> it sure is
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2017-02-02T12:37:45 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iABmUEH5s0k
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2017-02-02T12:51:26 < ReadError> tek2
2017-02-02T12:51:30 < ReadError> hi
2017-02-02T12:53:40 < ReadError> ohsix: looks like it unfucked itself
2017-02-02T12:53:46 < ReadError> new stuff is up 
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2017-02-02T13:10:28 < Tectu> Hi
2017-02-02T13:14:46 < ReadError> Tectu: a ws2812 driver would be neat to have 
2017-02-02T13:15:16 < ReadError> seen a few others for chibi but cant remember where the nice one was
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2017-02-02T13:19:20 < Tectu> crt, fine, thanks. How about you?
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2017-02-02T13:22:35 < Steffanx> Any news about the H7? Its still preview..
2017-02-02T13:22:54 < Steffanx> Where is this guy with ST insider info.
2017-02-02T13:23:20 < Steffanx> ntfreak it was iirc
2017-02-02T13:23:53 < Steffanx> Lies.
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2017-02-02T13:26:37 < Gerritjan> Hello i have a question about a stm32F446RE board: im looking at the pin layout and i see a lot of pwm pins but there is also standing like pwm2/1 is that a part of a pwm port?
2017-02-02T13:28:12 < karlp> what are you looking at that describes the pins as "pwm" ?
2017-02-02T13:28:25 < Gerritjan> image
2017-02-02T13:28:39 < karlp> pins can be connected to timer peripheral channels, which allows them to be used as pwm, but there's nothing form ST that calls pins "pwm2/1" that I remember ever seeing
2017-02-02T13:28:53 < Gerritjan> https://developer.mbed.org/media/uploads/adustm/nucleo_f446re_morpho_right_2016_7_22.png
2017-02-02T13:29:07 < Gerritjan> thats the img im looking @
2017-02-02T13:29:26 < karlp> go read mbed docs then.
2017-02-02T13:29:39 < karlp> see what it means in mbed land.
2017-02-02T13:29:46 < Gerritjan> oke because i need around 21 pwm ports
2017-02-02T13:30:16 < Gerritjan> oke well i use make file and openocd
2017-02-02T13:30:40 < ReadError> crt: please stop.
2017-02-02T13:31:06 < ReadError> im tired of these butthole pics
2017-02-02T13:31:12 < ReadError> stop sending them to me
2017-02-02T13:31:39 < ReadError> thanks
2017-02-02T13:31:53 < Gerritjan> crt:  how do you mean that?
2017-02-02T13:33:15 < Steffanx> That was before i figured out you are annoying crg.
2017-02-02T13:33:22 < Steffanx> Crt
2017-02-02T13:34:50 < Steffanx> There is some useful pinout table in thr user manual of the nucleo gerritjan
2017-02-02T13:35:34 < Gerritjan> oke well i did check the pinlayout of mbed but and im getting the aruino pins :S
2017-02-02T13:36:19 < ReadError> the 144 pin ones are nice since they label each pin
2017-02-02T13:36:55 < Gerritjan> i have the STM32F446RE
2017-02-02T13:37:22 < ReadError> yea dont have on 64pin one
2017-02-02T13:37:56 < Steffanx> It wasnt supposed to be nice crt
2017-02-02T13:38:29 < Gerritjan> well they send it to me as a example for a project that later on i will buy some more of them
2017-02-02T13:38:45 < ReadError> Gerritjan: I think thats timer/channel
2017-02-02T13:38:56 < ReadError> but best to consult datasheet
2017-02-02T13:41:02 < Gerritjan> im looking but im just starting with it so :S
2017-02-02T13:41:29 < ReadError> take like PA3
2017-02-02T13:41:38 < Gerritjan> yes
2017-02-02T13:41:38 < ReadError> then ctrl+f that in datasheet
2017-02-02T13:41:42 < ReadError> and it will tell u everything it can do
2017-02-02T13:42:25 < Gerritjan> done it but im finding like Up to 17 timers: 2x watchdog, 1x SysTick timer and up to twelve 16-bit and two 32-bit timers up to 180 MHz, each with up to 4 IC/OC/PWM or pulse counter
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2017-02-02T13:43:54 < karlp> 12*4 seems like more than 21
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2017-02-02T13:44:31 < Gerritjan> where did you get the 12?
2017-02-02T13:44:54 < karlp> you just said up to 12 timers, each with up to 4 pwms?
2017-02-02T13:46:12 < Gerritjan> so the pwm2/1 is timer 1 pin 1
2017-02-02T13:46:27 < Gerritjan> timer 2 / pin 1
2017-02-02T13:46:38 < karlp> good job documenting there mbed.
2017-02-02T13:46:44 < Gerritjan> becuase i need to connect 21 servos
2017-02-02T13:46:48 < Gerritjan> lol
2017-02-02T13:47:21 < Gerritjan> now im gone look for a good tut site to begin :D
2017-02-02T13:49:12 < Gerritjan> im from C# / c++ but is it possible to send command with uart and start somthing in a background task?
2017-02-02T13:49:57 < Gerritjan> oke cool so my robot can do more thing :D
2017-02-02T13:50:54 < Gerritjan> last question is it possible to do debugging and send commands with the debug port to?
2017-02-02T13:51:01 < Gerritjan> usb i mean
2017-02-02T13:56:08 < ReadError> ermmm
2017-02-02T13:56:16 < ReadError> stlink will give you 1 serial port
2017-02-02T13:56:17 < ReadError> you can use
2017-02-02T13:56:28 < ReadError> is that what you mean?
2017-02-02T13:57:08 < Gerritjan> yes
2017-02-02T13:57:31 < Gerritjan> that means when its debugging i cant send a command
2017-02-02T13:59:22 < ReadError> sure u can
2017-02-02T14:00:52 < Gerritjan> Oke because i looking in the Datasheet and i did find USART1-5 So i thing USART0 will be the Debugger port
2017-02-02T14:01:12 < ReadError> well it will tell u which is connected
2017-02-02T14:01:15 < ReadError> in TFM :)
2017-02-02T14:02:06 < Gerritjan> haha oke :(
2017-02-02T14:02:25 < ReadError> print a copy, sleep with it
2017-02-02T14:04:13 < Gerritjan> well i did manage the Hello world put it in the device so and im getting it back and see the its can use puts and fprintf and printf and im almost want to try to use cin command for the input
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2017-02-02T14:23:33 < Steffanx> I want you to grow up a bit.
2017-02-02T14:29:36 < ReadError> Laurenceb: http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/index.html
2017-02-02T14:40:34 < ReadError> Laurenceb's bf
2017-02-02T14:41:00 < ReadError> or someone he went to school with i guess
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2017-02-02T16:14:39 < Steffanx> Http://time.is/australia
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2017-02-02T17:16:16 < vernon> I'm trying to make work USART1 with only USART_IT_TXE. In the usart vector routine I have also a check for RXNE. When a char is transmitted, the RXNE is SET, and I can read a byte with value 127. Is it the normal behaviour? Where am I wrong?
2017-02-02T17:18:25 < vernon> Do I have to test the RXNEIE first?
2017-02-02T17:21:24 < jadew> http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38825230
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2017-02-02T17:26:49 < zyp> vernon, what part of that behavior seems unexpected to you?
2017-02-02T17:28:45 < vernon> zyp: having RXNE set (I reset it reading USART_DR) every time I write a byte on the USART
2017-02-02T17:28:54 < karlp> separate pins, why should there be rxne for txe?
2017-02-02T17:29:04 < zyp> RS485?
2017-02-02T17:29:19 < vernon> also with usart disconnected. Prolific USB
2017-02-02T17:29:38 < zyp> anyway, RXNE means you've received data
2017-02-02T17:30:06 < karlp> zyp: fromt he point of view of the stm32, that's normally still two pins, unless vernon really is using the halfduplex modes, in whichcase they should have said so :)
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2017-02-02T17:30:11 < zyp> if you didn't expect to receive data, that's probably a different problem you should fix, instead of focusing on the symptom
2017-02-02T17:30:22 < vernon> exactly! but I am only sending 
2017-02-02T17:30:27 < karlp> pull up on rx?
2017-02-02T17:31:06 < zyp> karlp, RS485 is always half duplex, but usually you'd wire the phy so that receiver is disabled when transmitter is enabled
2017-02-02T17:32:16 < zyp> at least, that's how I've solved it
2017-02-02T17:32:16 < zyp> vernon, if you're only sending, RXNE doesn't get set.
2017-02-02T17:32:16 < zyp> there's something more here that you haven't discovered, so focus on figuring that out instead of worrying about what to do about RXNE
2017-02-02T17:32:20 < vernon> i'm using the same wiring that was working on another pc (win+eclipse+realterm) but now I'm trying to use gcc and a text editor on a linux laptop. Is a RS232(ttl)->USB converter
2017-02-02T17:33:21 < karlp> zyp: yes, but if you read the datasheet of your transceiver, you'll see that there's a bunch of ways for the rx pin to be.
2017-02-02T17:33:32 < zyp> check the status on the lines, make sure there's not garbage on the rx line that gets interpreted as data
2017-02-02T17:34:01 < zyp> karlp, what do you mean?
2017-02-02T17:34:18 < vernon> thanks, I'l recheck the configuration and disable the interrupt, reading by polling. And try to figure out.
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2017-02-02T17:50:12 < englishman> karlp: that was a music link yesterday, got any more
2017-02-02T17:56:55 < karlp> zyp: things like both A/B open circuit, the state of the rx out line can be undefined withs ome transceivers.
2017-02-02T17:57:58 < karlp> zyp: also, there's a few usecases where you leave the receiver active always, and use it to listen to your own transmissions to do Collission detection.
2017-02-02T17:58:08 < karlp> englishman: you mean the psy trance stuff?
2017-02-02T17:58:09 < englishman> *good music link, i a word
2017-02-02T17:58:12 < englishman> yea
2017-02-02T17:59:00 < englishman> i pretty much just listen to abgt and other podcast playlists
2017-02-02T18:01:21 < karlp> abgt?
2017-02-02T18:01:54 < karlp> most of this is pretty ace, though it finished a few years ago: http://spannered.org/radio/
2017-02-02T18:02:00 < karlp> not all psy though
2017-02-02T18:02:57 < englishman> and di.fm
2017-02-02T18:03:03 < englishman> this http://www.aboveandbeyond.nu/abgt
2017-02-02T18:03:10 < karlp> msot of this should be pretty decent. https://soundcloud.com/schatsi
2017-02-02T18:03:25 < zyp> karlp, yeah, sure
2017-02-02T18:04:16 < zyp> rs485 doesn't sound very friendly to collision detection though
2017-02-02T18:04:50 < zyp> in comparison with CAN which on the phy layer pretty much is RS485 with collision detection :p
2017-02-02T18:05:31 < karlp> zyp: yeah, never done it myself, just heard it was how some .mil stuff was working.
2017-02-02T18:06:40 < karlp> hrm.  IIR bandpass.  change sample rate from 5k to 4k. change filter variables as per design.  filter design plots sho identical gain.  output RMS from each is like 50% apart.
2017-02-02T18:06:45 < karlp> fucking bullshit.
2017-02-02T18:08:14 < englishman> thanks
2017-02-02T18:09:22 < karlp> if you want more explicitly psy I can probably dig up more of that.
2017-02-02T18:10:08 < karlp> the channel of that youtube vid from yesterday is full of more too of course
2017-02-02T18:11:17 < englishman> its nice to be raging over some shitty circuit and look back at the computer oh theres some hippy chick belly dancing
2017-02-02T18:15:46 < vernon> I'm using the rx pin IN_FLOATING. Is it right?
2017-02-02T18:18:12 < englishman> this is neat https://www.liveedu.tv/christopherwolfram/videos/LAAJL-the-code-behind-arrival-the-movie/
2017-02-02T18:20:55 < karlp> englishman: that was a plus of those videos, yes :)
2017-02-02T18:21:04 < karlp> _everyone's fucking happy_
2017-02-02T18:21:10 < englishman> yeah
2017-02-02T18:21:17 < englishman> makes it seem like all is well in the world
2017-02-02T18:21:27 < karlp> nothign like copious doses of psyschadelics to keep the party going all weekend.
2017-02-02T18:21:53 < karlp> it was a little sad to realise that the footage all still looks mostly the same, despite being from us, euro and south africa though.
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2017-02-02T18:27:26 < karlp> Laurenceb: you might like this: https://blog.ntpsec.org/2017/02/01/heat-it-up.html
2017-02-02T18:34:33 < aandrew> is Laurenceb a time geek?
2017-02-02T18:34:58 < aandrew> I have some questions about high accuracy (within a few msec) time sync between two embedded devices connected via a radio link
2017-02-02T18:38:47 < karlp> Laurenceb is, gxti too.
2017-02-02T18:39:02 < karlp> few ms should be easy I would have thought.
2017-02-02T18:39:49 < karlp> oh, fucking radio, who knows.
2017-02-02T18:39:56 < karlp> I'm not a time geek, I shouldn't comment.
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2017-02-02T18:43:06 < ReadError> I work off CPT
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2017-02-02T20:16:09 < KreAture_Zzz> I just found a new favourite prototyping board
2017-02-02T20:16:10 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2017-02-02T20:17:26 < KreAture_Zzz> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/7x11cm-Single-Side-SMD-Prototype-Universal-PCB-Plate-Experiment-Circuit-Board-2-54mm-Pin-Space-Support/32777292231.html
2017-02-02T20:20:11 < aandrew> interesting
2017-02-02T20:20:25 < aandrew> I like the individual breakouts to 0.100" centres when possible
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2017-02-02T20:29:17 < KreAture_Zzz> will know how nice they are in a few weeks
2017-02-02T20:29:18 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
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2017-02-02T21:55:00 < englishman> got some fantastic matte orange pcbs
2017-02-02T21:56:46 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/pV6dnH9.jpg
2017-02-02T21:57:11 < zyp> KreAture_Zzz, that looks like a recipe for a mess of unrelated projects :p
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2017-02-02T21:57:25 < zyp> englishman, not much of it visible
2017-02-02T21:57:38 < englishman> it was hard to get good colour with fluroescent lighting anyway
2017-02-02T22:03:24 < Steffanx> Censoring much.
2017-02-02T22:05:08 < zyp> curious shape, I like the silk circle around the square hole
2017-02-02T22:18:44 < KreAture_Zzz> zyp not really
2017-02-02T22:18:55 < KreAture_Zzz> zyp you chop off the part you need or take a new board
2017-02-02T22:19:01 < KreAture_Zzz> zyp I like how you have a few alternatives
2017-02-02T22:19:12 < KreAture_Zzz> and you can always stack an stm32 ontop
2017-02-02T22:19:20 < KreAture_Zzz> or below
2017-02-02T22:19:43 < KreAture_Zzz> I think the width may efen fit
2017-02-02T22:19:46 < KreAture_Zzz> not sure yet though
2017-02-02T22:20:26 < zyp> why get them on one board in the first place if you're going to chop it?
2017-02-02T22:21:57 < KreAture_Zzz> The width between the sot part and the holes seem to be 6 aka it would fit for the stm32 bluepills
2017-02-02T22:22:06 < KreAture_Zzz> however that negates the routing from the sot's
2017-02-02T22:22:12 < KreAture_Zzz> oh well
2017-02-02T22:22:23 < KreAture_Zzz> may be nice anyways
2017-02-02T22:22:31 < KreAture_Zzz> I'll chuck em in my breakout boards bin
2017-02-02T22:22:33 < KreAture_Zzz> I got lts
2017-02-02T22:22:36 < KreAture_Zzz> lots
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2017-02-02T22:23:29 < Laurenceb_> <ReadError> or someone he went to school with i guess
2017-02-02T22:23:31 < Laurenceb_> correct
2017-02-02T22:23:43 < Laurenceb_> well - Uni
2017-02-02T22:26:57 < Laurenceb_> I know that guy from before he was e-famous
2017-02-02T22:34:23 < Laurenceb_> but I also know Cuckerberg
2017-02-02T22:37:04 < Steffanx> Know from facebook?
2017-02-02T22:38:01 < Laurenceb_> from "The face book"
2017-02-02T22:38:29 < Laurenceb_> I've told this story before, he emailed me asking for input
2017-02-02T22:38:39 < Steffanx> We need proof.
2017-02-02T22:38:45 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-02-02T22:38:48 < Laurenceb_> who cares
2017-02-02T22:38:54 < Steffanx> No one, but still.. proof
2017-02-02T22:38:57 < Laurenceb_> celebs are cancer
2017-02-02T22:39:22 < Laurenceb_> I don't have any photos of me with Milo :(
2017-02-02T22:39:53 < Laurenceb_> I think my Grandmother has photos of me age 4 playing football with a young Basir Al-Assad
2017-02-02T22:40:12 < Steffanx> Nice story :P
2017-02-02T22:40:39 < Laurenceb_> need to raid her house before my relatives clear it all out, and I can finally take some credit for celebrity acquaintances
2017-02-02T22:40:47 < Laurenceb_> he was a student in UK at the time
2017-02-02T22:41:47 < Laurenceb_> I'm like the Forrest Gump of teh ebil celebs
2017-02-02T22:42:43 < Laurenceb_> only I told Cuckerberg his Book of Faces was utter shit and he should piss off and waste his money on something else
2017-02-02T22:43:12 < Steffanx> lies. No proof.
2017-02-02T22:44:16 < Steffanx> You are a real Doctor. You should know about this.
2017-02-02T22:44:56 < Steffanx> Falsehoods.
2017-02-02T22:46:39 < Laurenceb_> My grandfather worked at western eye Hospital 
2017-02-02T22:50:52 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/0wXcQuz.png
2017-02-02T22:51:03 < Laurenceb_> ^Arab Spring
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2017-02-02T22:55:09 < Steffanx> Goedenavond mijnheer.
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2017-02-02T23:01:05 < Laurenceb_> lul https://i.imgtc.com/5XNoLb9.png
2017-02-02T23:01:10 < Laurenceb_> literal trollface
2017-02-02T23:02:23 < Steffanx> Sunglasses to hide his emotions?
2017-02-02T23:03:10 < Laurenceb_> he was just another posh guy when I knew him
2017-02-02T23:03:19 < Laurenceb_> everyone needs a gimmick I guess
2017-02-02T23:03:26 < dongs> sup trolls
2017-02-02T23:03:39 < Laurenceb_> no homo by the way
2017-02-02T23:03:40 < Steffanx> Sky bro.
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2017-02-02T23:18:59 < Steffanx> Dongs didn't you say keil is a pro tool?
2017-02-02T23:19:03 < dongs> yes?
2017-02-02T23:19:04 < dongs> why?
2017-02-02T23:19:09 < dongs> are you having problems?
2017-02-02T23:19:14 < Steffanx> https://community.ugfx.io/topic/618-building-issue/ better tell that guy to stop using it. 
2017-02-02T23:19:22 < Steffanx> Or are you trolling Tectu? :D
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2017-02-02T23:25:54 < Fleck> hi Tectu
2017-02-02T23:26:02 < Tectu> hi Fleck
2017-02-02T23:26:13 < Tectu> how´s stuff?
2017-02-02T23:26:29 < Fleck> great!
2017-02-02T23:26:38 < Tectu> glad to hear that
2017-02-02T23:26:58 < Fleck> u?
2017-02-02T23:27:14 < Tectu> very busy, but good
2017-02-02T23:31:12 < dongs> lmao
2017-02-02T23:31:18 < dongs> @ keil troll
2017-02-02T23:31:23 < dongs> what afucking tool
2017-02-02T23:31:29 < dongs> who posts a fucking shit asking why windows.h isnt included
2017-02-02T23:31:33 < dongs> instead of just fixing it
2017-02-02T23:31:33 < dongs> damn
2017-02-02T23:32:45 < Tectu> uhm lol, what are you up to dongs? I´m dealing with something very similar right now
2017-02-02T23:33:09 < zyp> I assume dongs are commenting on the ugfx link
2017-02-02T23:33:59 < englishman> that was posted 2 lines before tectu joined
2017-02-02T23:34:02 < Tectu> oh
2017-02-02T23:34:05 < Tectu> Steffanx...? :D
2017-02-02T23:34:15 < englishman> Hi my friend ;
2017-02-02T23:34:16 < zyp> oh yeah, I didn't notice he hadn't joined
2017-02-02T23:34:23 < Tectu> hi guys
2017-02-02T23:34:39 < englishman> i changed the operating system to keil
2017-02-02T23:34:45 < Fleck> hi zyp!
2017-02-02T23:35:03 < Tectu> any thoughts on that forum topic? Would actually be interested in what Mr. Fleck thinks of how the situation was handled...
2017-02-02T23:35:20 < Fleck> I don't care
2017-02-02T23:35:26 < zyp> Tectu, you've made ugfx barrier of entry too easy
2017-02-02T23:35:38 < zyp> you need a higher barrier of entry so you keep the idiots away :p
2017-02-02T23:35:55 < Tectu> hah! :p
2017-02-02T23:36:13 < Tectu> anti-butthurt protection, I´ll talk to my lawyer about that tomorrow
2017-02-02T23:36:14 < Fleck> yeah, make them do a test :D
2017-02-02T23:36:27 < Tectu> actually, you guys are right
2017-02-02T23:36:34 < Tectu> the old uGFX forum had a test at the beginning
2017-02-02T23:36:36 < zyp> «I expect support from you.»
2017-02-02T23:36:38 < englishman> jeez you're unable to help him so you just ban him
2017-02-02T23:36:41 < englishman> worse than ##stm32
2017-02-02T23:36:58 < Tectu> it was for anti-spam (regular phpBB). There were basic questions about uGFX in that test that could be answered by reading the first introduction paragraph
2017-02-02T23:38:02 < Tectu> zyp, that is probably just bad google translation from another language where it means something like <<I´d appreciate support from you>>
2017-02-02T23:38:21 < Tectu> englishman, I don´t mind that part, I mind the fact that he´s simply ignoring basic instructions.
2017-02-02T23:38:25 < Steffanx> Worse than ##stm32.. That is easy englishman
2017-02-02T23:38:39 < Steffanx> ##stm32 is best.
2017-02-02T23:38:58 < BrainDamage> ##stm32 best stm?
2017-02-02T23:39:09 < zyp> banning somebody for spamming their own topic seems a bit overkill though
2017-02-02T23:39:17 < zyp> I'd just ignore the thread
2017-02-02T23:39:33 < englishman> i think arrow is about to deny my RMA claim because i already threw out the cardboard shipping box
2017-02-02T23:39:36 < zyp> and ban him if he starts spamming outside the thread
2017-02-02T23:39:44 < zyp> haha
2017-02-02T23:39:53 < zyp> what are you RMAing?
2017-02-02T23:39:53 < Tectu> zyp, the ban is only for 7 days. After that it´s just that his content needs moderator approval.
2017-02-02T23:40:02 < englishman> the parts that were mis-picked / wrong parts
2017-02-02T23:40:11 < zyp> Tectu, I know, still pointless and overkill
2017-02-02T23:40:38 < zyp> englishman, they make you return them?
2017-02-02T23:40:42 < englishman> dono yet
2017-02-02T23:40:50 < englishman> they certainly haven't offered to ship me correct ones
2017-02-02T23:40:54 < Tectu> zyp, I understand. Well, not going to unban him now :p
2017-02-02T23:41:03 < englishman> (which i already purchased from digikey, and were delivered yesterday)
2017-02-02T23:41:22 < zyp> when digikey fucked up and sent me an older rev than they promised they just went «oh, sorry, here's a refund and fuckit, just keep or throw away the parts»
2017-02-02T23:41:27 < Tectu> I tried to install TI´s code composer studio today... twice... The installer runs for like 30 minutes and then suddenly errors... on two different machines <3
2017-02-02T23:41:34 < englishman> yeah zyp same
2017-02-02T23:41:40 < englishman> and problem fixed within <24 hours
2017-02-02T23:41:46 < englishman> and by talking to exactly 1 person
2017-02-02T23:41:57 < zyp> I think dongs ended up using them for something else instead :p
2017-02-02T23:41:58 < englishman> NOT ARROW
2017-02-02T23:42:15 < englishman> FUCK ARROW
2017-02-02T23:43:08 < zyp> I've never figured out how to order from arrow :p
2017-02-02T23:45:37 < aandrew> verical.com is nice though
2017-02-02T23:46:03 < dongs> sup
2017-02-02T23:46:27 < dongs> seconding fuck arrow
2017-02-02T23:46:29 < dongs> i did order shit from them once
2017-02-02T23:46:33 < dongs> it was like $100 shipping
2017-02-02T23:46:35 < dongs> what the fuck?!
2017-02-02T23:46:51 < Steffanx> Aaaaaaaah Tectu
2017-02-02T23:47:01 < Steffanx> DONT MENTION CODE COMPOSER STUDIO
2017-02-02T23:47:05 < dongs> Tectu: its called crap composter for a reason
2017-02-02T23:48:08 < Tectu> lol
2017-02-02T23:48:10 < Tectu> first time touching it
2017-02-02T23:48:22 < Tectu> it´s just the regular eclipse crap, no?
2017-02-02T23:48:32 < Steffanx> Used it at work. Not amused.
2017-02-02T23:48:51 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/02/02/no-etch-the-proof-in-the-bluetooth-pudding/
2017-02-02T23:48:55 < Laurenceb_> lul dat antenna
2017-02-02T23:50:26 < Tectu> I´m currently preparing a complaint e-mail for ARM people. Anything I should add?
2017-02-02T23:51:04 < Steffanx> Complaint? Wieso?
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2017-02-02T23:55:12 < zyp> heh
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2017-02-03T00:06:20 < dongs> oh tectu
2017-02-03T00:06:22 < dongs> my code87 is here
2017-02-03T00:06:28 < dongs> how the shit do i turn off hte fucking backlight
2017-02-03T00:10:38 < dongs> http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/ottawa/gold-smuggling-mint-sentencing-1.3961567
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2017-02-03T00:31:05 < dongs> pumping
2017-02-03T00:31:22 < dongs> youre a bit early
2017-02-03T00:36:05 < dongs> not much
2017-02-03T00:36:11 < dongs> -14C outside
2017-02-03T00:36:32 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-02-03T00:36:38 < Laurenceb_> I thought Japan was warm
2017-02-03T00:37:00 < ds2> you live on top of a mountain? :D
2017-02-03T00:37:31 < dongs> im in alaska for a few days
2017-02-03T00:37:52 < kakimir> why you alaska every now and then?
2017-02-03T00:37:59 < dongs> check up on my gold mine
2017-02-03T00:38:17 < dongs> see if they're smuggling any nuggets in anuses
2017-02-03T00:38:30 < kakimir> is there like direct flight to alaska even or do you need to fly to canada or so first
2017-02-03T00:38:37 < dongs> yeah no
2017-02-03T00:38:42 < kakimir> or even muricas
2017-02-03T00:38:50 < dongs> either vancouver or seattle
2017-02-03T00:38:51 < dongs> fucking trash
2017-02-03T00:38:51 < ds2> hitch hike there on a whaling boat :D
2017-02-03T00:39:08 < dongs> waste of time too
2017-02-03T00:39:14 < dongs> fly like extra 2000km
2017-02-03T00:39:19 < dongs> just to go back
2017-02-03T00:39:25 < ds2> that's just KM's
2017-02-03T00:39:35 < ds2> real distances are NM's ;)
2017-02-03T00:39:36 < dongs> fuck fredom units
2017-02-03T00:39:45 < kakimir> it's not more than.. 3hours or flying?
2017-02-03T00:39:55 < dongs> 3.5
2017-02-03T00:39:58 < dongs> wasted
2017-02-03T00:40:07 < dongs> 9hr flight + 3.5 hours to return
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2017-02-03T00:40:19 < dongs> for what could be like 5-6 hours flight direct
2017-02-03T00:40:26 < dongs> all the freight companies have direct flights
2017-02-03T00:40:29 < dongs> but no passenger
2017-02-03T00:41:00 < kakimir> trip to muricas is like 20hours from here
2017-02-03T00:41:38 < ds2> maybe they don't have customs up there?
2017-02-03T00:42:18 < dongs> you mean us border control shit?
2017-02-03T00:42:24 < dongs> sure its an international airport
2017-02-03T00:42:25 < kakimir> did you smuggle anything in your anus dongs?
2017-02-03T00:42:29 < dongs> they got stuff
2017-02-03T00:45:42 < kakimir> do you fly bush plane in alaska dongs?
2017-02-03T00:45:50 < kakimir> to your property
2017-02-03T00:46:05 < dongs> more like a snowmachine
2017-02-03T00:47:41 < kakimir> snow mobile or liek more like a truck with tracks?
2017-02-03T00:47:50 < dongs> no, like an actual snowmachine
2017-02-03T00:48:06 < kakimir> like "pistenbully"
2017-02-03T00:49:00 < dongs> http://alpinecreeklodge.com/wp-content/themes/striking/cache/images/1131_Snowmachine-11-960x500.jpg
2017-02-03T00:49:16 < karlp> snowmobile I think they're normally called.
2017-02-03T00:49:19 < karlp> or just "sled"
2017-02-03T00:49:29 < kakimir> that is snowmobile slash sled
2017-02-03T00:49:34 < karlp> not sure I've ever heard snowmachine for that  in english at least
2017-02-03T00:49:54 < karlp> also, is that a selfie dongs?
2017-02-03T00:50:03 < karlp> do we need to CSI that shit to dox you or something?
2017-02-03T00:50:09  * karlp presses the enhance button
2017-02-03T00:52:51 < kakimir> friends are going to lapland in next week
2017-02-03T00:53:43 < BrainDamage> will they be shipped in a fridge truck to save on heating?
2017-02-03T00:54:22 < kakimir> I don't get it
2017-02-03T00:54:53 < Laurenceb_> something happened to radicalise Bissonnette, He talked constantly about a website called 8ch and pol a week before the shooting
2017-02-03T00:54:55 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-02-03T00:55:53 < Laurenceb_> Canada Mosque shooter
2017-02-03T00:56:08 < Laurenceb_> the 8chan attacker
2017-02-03T00:57:52 < dongs> karlp: no lol just 1st link off google images
2017-02-03T00:59:02 < Laurenceb_> attn crt: https://8ch.net/n/res/507576.html
2017-02-03T01:00:09 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: apparently in Canada after shooting you go voluntarily to police to be arrested
2017-02-03T01:01:23 < dongs> http://gunmemorial.org/
2017-02-03T01:01:32 < kakimir> is Laurenceb_ link safe?
2017-02-03T01:01:42 < dongs> kakimir: safe, just unfunny
2017-02-03T01:01:59 < Laurenceb_> of course its not fucking safe, its 8ch.net
2017-02-03T01:02:09 < Laurenceb_> too fucked up for google
2017-02-03T01:04:23 < kakimir> is dongs link safe?
2017-02-03T01:04:23 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/Hmbcl
2017-02-03T01:05:16 < kakimir> aandrew: no ground plane why?
2017-02-03T01:05:26 < dongs> kakimir: cuz its a 6L board
2017-02-03T01:05:27 < sync_> 4 layer brah
2017-02-03T01:05:29 < sync_> or more
2017-02-03T01:05:36 < dongs> o, 4l
2017-02-03T01:05:43 < dongs> i see hte layer counter
2017-02-03T01:05:54 < sync_> yes
2017-02-03T01:05:55 < Laurenceb_> huge jpg is huge
2017-02-03T01:06:14 < dongs> not bad silkscreen either
2017-02-03T01:06:17 < dongs> aandrew: thats not china right
2017-02-03T01:06:28 < aandrew> no
2017-02-03T01:06:31 < dongs> right
2017-02-03T01:06:34 < aandrew> markham, which is pretty close to china 
2017-02-03T01:06:47 < aandrew> kakimir: there's a ground plane there
2017-02-03T01:06:47 < dongs> but doesnt look like aids
2017-02-03T01:06:48 < aandrew> it's 4l
2017-02-03T01:06:59 < dongs> ITLcircuits?
2017-02-03T01:07:12 < aandrew> not my pick, the assembler took it becuae they were confused by the supercap and the battery holder in the same place
2017-02-03T01:07:16 < aandrew> dongs: no, microart
2017-02-03T01:07:46 < dongs> cool
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2017-02-03T01:09:14 < dongs> your next order should be from englishman pcba services
2017-02-03T01:09:20 < dongs> amirite
2017-02-03T01:09:38 < kakimir> regulator being right next to some signals disturbs me
2017-02-03T01:09:55 < dongs> wut
2017-02-03T01:10:01 < dongs> lack of SMA oconnectors disturbs me way more
2017-02-03T01:10:04 < englishman> currently dicknplacing
2017-02-03T01:10:07 < englishman> with amazing speed and precision
2017-02-03T01:10:16 < dongs> is dat sum POE
2017-02-03T01:10:24 < dongs> did you ghettopoe or is that a real solution
2017-02-03T01:10:32 < dongs> it looks a bit ghettoish
2017-02-03T01:10:39 < kakimir> byt those signals are actually leds so no problems
2017-02-03T01:10:58 < aandrew> yes, PoE capable
2017-02-03T01:11:05 < dongs> yes, but is it proper poe
2017-02-03T01:11:09 < dongs> or just a rectifier and a cheap dc/dc
2017-02-03T01:11:31 < aandrew> kakimir: next to some signals? the area around the PoE is just power
2017-02-03T01:11:40 < dongs> aandrew: hes talkin about bottom of the board
2017-02-03T01:11:44 < kakimir> I mean under the battery
2017-02-03T01:11:45 < dongs> bottom of battery holder
2017-02-03T01:11:58 < aandrew> ah, around U1? that's the 5V boost regulator for USB OTG
2017-02-03T01:11:59 < dongs> i dont htink thsoe are regulators anway?
2017-02-03T01:12:06 < dongs> o
2017-02-03T01:12:19 < kakimir> dongs: I thinks it called active POE
2017-02-03T01:12:21 < aandrew> the battery/supercap only supplies the RTC, it's not an issue
2017-02-03T01:12:22 < kakimir> or something
2017-02-03T01:12:40 < aandrew> dongs: it does true PoE 802.15af or whatever negotiation, and I guess I can also do LLDP if I really want
2017-02-03T01:12:53 < aandrew> it's not "real PoE" in the sense that it is not an isolated supply
2017-02-03T01:13:08 < dongs> aandrew: o, neat.
2017-02-03T01:13:12 < dongs> i might need to steal that
2017-02-03T01:13:22 < dongs> thats a TI solutoin?
2017-02-03T01:13:23 < kakimir> are those molex connectors doing some atc power supply thing or?
2017-02-03T01:13:29 < kakimir> somethin else?
2017-02-03T01:13:37 < kakimir> *atx
2017-02-03T01:13:56 < dongs> TPS54200? or someshit?
2017-02-03T01:13:57 < dongs> hm wat
2017-02-03T01:13:59 < dongs> that cant be right
2017-02-03T01:14:02 < dongs> that shows a SOT223
2017-02-03T01:14:05 < aandrew> dongs: it is... let me look it up
2017-02-03T01:14:06 < aandrew> I don't think so
2017-02-03T01:14:21 < aandrew> NXP IIRC
2017-02-03T01:14:29 < dongs> oh
2017-02-03T01:14:48 < kakimir> now what is the use of this board?
2017-02-03T01:14:49 < dongs> anything that negotiates would already be a step-up from the stuff i was looking at which was just ghettopoe
2017-02-03T01:15:11 < aandrew> NCP1092
2017-02-03T01:15:37 < aandrew> that feeds a TPS54260
2017-02-03T01:15:44 < aandrew> which is my main 3V3 rail
2017-02-03T01:16:12 < aandrew> I also have a ZXTR2105 that feeds a STM6600
2017-02-03T01:16:22 < aandrew> because I need to be able to force the supply off
2017-02-03T01:16:29 < aandrew> it's a medical application board
2017-02-03T01:16:39 < aandrew> it just sequences and montiors a much larger system
2017-02-03T01:18:06 < dongs> ok saved under POE PROTIPS.TXT
2017-02-03T01:20:56 < aandrew> lol
2017-02-03T01:21:02 < aandrew> well let me validtate the design first before you call it that
2017-02-03T01:21:10 < dongs> lol RIGHT
2017-02-03T01:21:12 < englishman> dongs, new paste method is working well
2017-02-03T01:21:13 < aandrew> maybe rename to POE POSSIBLE.TXT
2017-02-03T01:21:15 < dongs> thats ok, i got plenty of time
2017-02-03T01:21:15 < englishman> also, stirring paste before use
2017-02-03T01:21:19 < dongs> englishman: the one without 2 passes?
2017-02-03T01:21:24 < englishman> yea
2017-02-03T01:21:26 < dongs> right.
2017-02-03T01:21:27 < englishman> with lotso pressure
2017-02-03T01:21:36 < aandrew> PoE demands that both sides be isolated (PoE PSE and PD), my end (PD) definitely isn't
2017-02-03T01:21:37 < dongs> i dunno wat shit they were smoking when they recommended two
2017-02-03T01:21:42 < dongs> even pro machines don't do 2 pass
2017-02-03T01:21:54 < aandrew> I'm a litlte concerned about it
2017-02-03T01:22:09 < dongs> aandrew: don't you get isolation with the transformer??
2017-02-03T01:22:12 < englishman> yeah even *their own* pro machines
2017-02-03T01:22:24 < aandrew> dongs: PoE takes power from the cable side of the transformer
2017-02-03T01:22:29 < dongs> oh
2017-02-03T01:22:39 < dongs> before the etnerhet part comes off on the othe rend?
2017-02-03T01:22:56 < aandrew> correct
2017-02-03T01:23:36 < dongs> hm that might explain why this crap had 2 ethernet transformers
2017-02-03T01:23:40 < dongs> but maybe thats jsut a garbage chinese module
2017-02-03T01:23:45 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/PyEhE
2017-02-03T01:24:32 < ds2> not quite
2017-02-03T01:24:39 < ds2> there is some variants that use unused pairs
2017-02-03T01:24:47 < dongs> yes, the ones on 10/100
2017-02-03T01:24:49 < ds2> so 10/FE can go that route
2017-02-03T01:25:39 < dongs> dickferential
2017-02-03T01:25:58 < aandrew> ds2: sure, look at that last imgur. pairs 3/4 go to one bridge, center taps of used pairs go to other bridge
2017-02-03T01:26:05 < aandrew> but it's still all non-isolated
2017-02-03T01:26:18 < aandrew> proper PoE PD powers a flyback topology to provide isolation
2017-02-03T01:26:25 < dongs> does that blanket pick up all the nets in there or just the 4 labeled ones
2017-02-03T01:26:32 < aandrew> dongs: just the labelled ones
2017-02-03T01:26:56 < dongs> i hate the way that shit works sometimes
2017-02-03T01:27:17 < aandrew> this board was weird with all the verticla connectors
2017-02-03T01:27:27 < aandrew> it was a bit of a challenge finding nice veritical ethernet and USB
2017-02-03T01:27:30 < ds2> aandrew: it comes down to having to support all the #@%!#!@$@!#!@#@!# flavors 
2017-02-03T01:27:35 < aandrew> ds2: yep
2017-02-03T01:27:42 < aandrew> dongs: which shit's got you down
2017-02-03T01:27:43 < ds2> there are some that use the extra pairs.... other is a commonmode
2017-02-03T01:27:57 < ds2> then there is voltage/polarity variations and negotiated and non negotated
2017-02-03T01:28:02 < ds2> ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG :D
2017-02-03T01:28:16 < aandrew> yep cheap nonstandard PoE uses the spare pairs. 802.11af wants center taps and negotiation
2017-02-03T01:28:33 < aandrew> and yes, it's the polarity I'm a little worried about, but that's how it is
2017-02-03T01:29:22 < dongs> aandrew: blanket? nah just that sometimes i have to run it near pin edges t oget it to pickup those nets
2017-02-03T01:29:29 < ds2> btw - anyone know if jlink commander can dump the HFSR?
2017-02-03T01:29:30 < dongs> if they're netlabeled elsewhere
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2017-02-03T01:29:41 < dongs> if you tell me what is hfsr I can tell you if it can
2017-02-03T01:29:48 < ds2> Hard Fault Status Register
2017-02-03T01:29:50 < aandrew> dongs: ah. I've always had the blanket completely enclosing the label and not run into problems
2017-02-03T01:30:01 < ds2> code is dying with a hardfault. need to figure out why 
2017-02-03T01:30:06 < dongs> ds2: ? is that not in the register list or soemthing?
2017-02-03T01:30:15 < ds2> dongs: nope. 
2017-02-03T01:30:24 < aandrew> ds2: don't you ahve to do some magic to get hardfault?
2017-02-03T01:30:47 < dongs> https://www.segger.com/downloads/.../AN00016_AnalyzingHardFaultsOnCortexM.pdf
2017-02-03T01:30:50 < ds2> aandrew: yeah... like bad mem read, multi fault, etc
2017-02-03T01:30:54 < dongs> oh NICE URL THANK YOU GOOGLE
2017-02-03T01:30:55 < dongs> jesus fuck.
2017-02-03T01:31:01 < zyp> haha
2017-02-03T01:31:14 < dongs> just google that filename its first link
2017-02-03T01:31:38 < dongs> so ive got a problem
2017-02-03T01:31:46 < ds2> saw that file
2017-02-03T01:31:51 < dongs> im honestly trying to not use chrome for a few days
2017-02-03T01:31:52 < aandrew> ds2: http://pastebin.com/qQKcRE6h
2017-02-03T01:31:58 < dongs> using msft edge
2017-02-03T01:32:04 < dongs> but the shit is just absolutely rage inducing
2017-02-03T01:32:06 < ds2> it is useless... it just says - write a hardfault hander and save the registers
2017-02-03T01:32:06 < zyp> why are you torturing yourself?
2017-02-03T01:32:18 < dongs> ctrl+n to open new window: fades in, 90% of the time opens on the BOTTOM of z-order
2017-02-03T01:32:27 < dongs> if I happeend to click somewhere in the window while it was failing
2017-02-03T01:32:32 < zyp> dongs, trying to become more of a MS fanboy than you already are? :p
2017-02-03T01:32:32 < dongs> alt-d no longer goes to entry/title bar
2017-02-03T01:32:49 < dongs> zyp, chrome is trash tho
2017-02-03T01:32:59 < dongs> so second problem is that google tracking shit
2017-02-03T01:33:05 < zyp> idk, it beats anything else I've tried
2017-02-03T01:33:06 < dongs> at least on chrome i can instal ldont track me google thing
2017-02-03T01:33:10 < dongs> so that it cleans the urls
2017-02-03T01:33:15 < ds2> zyp: dealing with the nRF51 SDK. trying not to drill in there to replace that handler
2017-02-03T01:33:18 < aandrew> ds2: check my paste
2017-02-03T01:33:20 < aandrew> that's what I use
2017-02-03T01:33:22 < aandrew> it wors
2017-02-03T01:33:22 < aandrew> works
2017-02-03T01:33:26 < ds2> oops sorry 
2017-02-03T01:33:29 < ds2> that was for aandrew
2017-02-03T01:33:41 < dongs> aandrew: this looks like gcc code
2017-02-03T01:33:46 < ds2> back to doing it the hardway
2017-02-03T01:33:50 < kOStiX> https://encrypted.google.com/
2017-02-03T01:33:55 < zyp> ds2, why is HFSR interesting? can you see CFSR?
2017-02-03T01:33:58 < kOStiX> you can use this i thinks this doesnt track shit
2017-02-03T01:33:58 < dongs> kOStiX: yeah i know
2017-02-03T01:34:04 < aandrew> dongs: of course it is
2017-02-03T01:34:07 < aandrew> the one true compiler
2017-02-03T01:34:11 < zyp> ds2, the interesting stuff is in CFSR after all
2017-02-03T01:34:20 < dongs> kOStiX: and no it still does
2017-02-03T01:34:26 < dongs> https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj-pNrQyfLRAhUW7mMKHWwpAu8QFghSMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3Dcock&usg=AFQjCNGCG_JyP7gaw7Lomj94BMVNy4Bk5w&sig2=pNB4gpnx7lhwFTLsFTIqHw
2017-02-03T01:34:27 < kOStiX> ah
2017-02-03T01:34:31 < dongs> see!>
2017-02-03T01:34:35 < dongs> fucking fuck.
2017-02-03T01:34:45 < kOStiX> well it saved me from automatically switching all my searches to fuckn spanish
2017-02-03T01:35:01 < dongs> there's probably enough metadata in there to pinpoint my location to like 2 meters
2017-02-03T01:35:04 < dongs> anywhere on earth
2017-02-03T01:35:12 < aandrew> dongs: haha
2017-02-03T01:35:14 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-03T01:35:17 < dongs> and how much cp i searched for in the last 24 hours
2017-02-03T01:35:47 < dongs> zyp, im also starting to avoid using chrome on mobile
2017-02-03T01:35:50 < dongs> thanks to AMP pages in resuls
2017-02-03T01:35:56 < zyp> looking at HFSR, it only has two non-reserved bits
2017-02-03T01:36:01 < ds2> zyp: HFSR is the one with the reasons, right?
2017-02-03T01:36:12 < zyp> ds2, no, that's CFSR
2017-02-03T01:36:29 < zyp> assuming you mean the original fault reason
2017-02-03T01:37:02 < zyp> HFSR will in 99.9% of the cases just have the FORCED bit set, that tells you to go look in CFSR
2017-02-03T01:37:54 < zyp> the only other option is VECTTBL, and honestly if your firmware is that fucked up, the hardfault handler will probably fail and the cpu will go into lockup
2017-02-03T01:38:00 < ds2> 'k
2017-02-03T01:38:02 < aandrew> hm, you debug differnetly
2017-02-03T01:38:13 < dongs> i debug in keil
2017-02-03T01:38:19 < dongs> it catches errors before they happen
2017-02-03T01:38:23 < ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww keil
2017-02-03T01:38:25 < dongs> thats how pro it is
2017-02-03T01:38:27  * ds2 runs screaming
2017-02-03T01:38:30 < dongs> yeah good luck with your makefile wank
2017-02-03T01:38:32 < aandrew> attach+halt and if it's in my hardfault handler I have teh regs to tell me where it crashed
2017-02-03T01:38:35 < dongs> and command line gdb
2017-02-03T01:38:37 < zyp> dongs, BMP does that too
2017-02-03T01:38:46 < aandrew> I have awesomesauce makefile for gcc
2017-02-03T01:38:47 < aandrew> and stm32
2017-02-03T01:39:19 < dongs> makefile cannot be awesome
2017-02-03T01:39:22 < zyp> if the fault catch thing in BMP is turned on, it'll catch a fault before the fault processing mechanism of the cpu actually runs
2017-02-03T01:39:24 < dongs> by definition
2017-02-03T01:39:27 < aandrew> you wish
2017-02-03T01:39:38 < aandrew> zyp: BMP?
2017-02-03T01:39:42 < zyp> confused me a bit first time I saw it
2017-02-03T01:39:43 < aandrew> sounds like an ICE
2017-02-03T01:39:53 < zyp> aandrew, blackmagic probe
2017-02-03T01:39:56 < aandrew> ahh
2017-02-03T01:39:58 < dongs> BMP is that opensores gdbserver thing
2017-02-03T01:40:01 < aandrew> following the trace data?
2017-02-03T01:40:05 < dongs> no man
2017-02-03T01:40:08 < zyp> no, just debug
2017-02-03T01:40:09 < dongs> its just shitty swd debugger
2017-02-03T01:40:18 < dongs> less features than stlink even
2017-02-03T01:40:21 < dongs> just FREEDOM
2017-02-03T01:40:25 < aandrew> that's impressive
2017-02-03T01:40:37 < zyp> if you have one, check «mon vector_catch» in gdb
2017-02-03T01:40:40 < aandrew> I thought stlink was a step above a parallel port jtag wiggler
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2017-02-03T01:41:05 < dongs> this alaskan internet is awful
2017-02-03T01:41:10 < dongs> ALL http connections time out after like ...
2017-02-03T01:41:12 < dongs> 50kilobytes
2017-02-03T01:41:15 < zyp> haha
2017-02-03T01:41:20 < zyp> how's the speed like?
2017-02-03T01:41:30 < dongs> terrible?
2017-02-03T01:41:31 < dongs> i donno
2017-02-03T01:41:33 < aandrew> dongs: you're in the USA?
2017-02-03T01:41:35 < kakimir> dongs: sat connection?
2017-02-03T01:41:39 < aandrew> had to come bask in some Trumpiness?
2017-02-03T01:41:42 < dongs> i keep having to ctrl+c and up-enter this wget of 10megs
2017-02-03T01:41:49 < zyp> I've got like 8/2 where I am now
2017-02-03T01:41:56 < zyp> but it actually works
2017-02-03T01:41:59 < zyp> most of the time
2017-02-03T01:41:59 < dongs> aandrew: yea
2017-02-03T01:41:59 < aandrew> I'm at a hockey arena watching my 7yo skate
2017-02-03T01:42:08 < aandrew> shared dsl and there are a bunch of kids watching youtube
2017-02-03T01:42:11 < aandrew> it's terrible
2017-02-03T01:42:18 < aandrew> I should just tether to my phone
2017-02-03T01:42:36 < englishman> dongs: these LM1881 are fake as fuck
2017-02-03T01:42:40 < englishman> first, they say natsemi
2017-02-03T01:42:53 < zyp> had a job interview today for some firmware/hardware job
2017-02-03T01:43:02 < englishman> they have this weird sheen like they got way too hot
2017-02-03T01:43:05 < englishman> congrats zyp !
2017-02-03T01:43:09 < englishman> how did it go
2017-02-03T01:43:26 < zyp> turns out they are targetting stm32
2017-02-03T01:43:31 < englishman> soon you can be closer to r2com's proness
2017-02-03T01:43:47 < zyp> so I were like «oh, neat, I'm like a stm32 guru, how do I tell them that?»
2017-02-03T01:44:06 < dongs> englishman: was tht a syncsep?
2017-02-03T01:44:08 < aandrew> I odn't think I've ever used CFSR
2017-02-03T01:44:14 < englishman> dongs: yea
2017-02-03T01:44:24 < dongs> thats probably ancient stock from wehn it was natsemi
2017-02-03T01:44:25 < dongs> lol
2017-02-03T01:44:27 < aandrew> looking at it now maybe once to find out WHY I was hitting the hardfault handler because I couldn't see what the code was causing
2017-02-03T01:44:32 < englishman> of course you told them that you are cofounder and owner of the largest stm32 support chat on the internet since 7 years
2017-02-03T01:44:33 < zyp> but yeah, I think it went well, so I hope I'll be moving again in a few weeks :p
2017-02-03T01:44:34 < dongs> whats the datecode like
2017-02-03T01:44:47 < englishman> no datecode
2017-02-03T01:44:49 < zyp> haha, I'm not a cofounder
2017-02-03T01:45:02 < englishman> they have no way of verifying that
2017-02-03T01:45:03 < zyp> this channel existed before I showed up
2017-02-03T01:45:03 < dongs> < zyp> so I were like ▒oh, neat, I'm like a stm32 guru, how do I tell them that?▒
2017-02-03T01:45:08 < dongs> tell them you're clive1
2017-02-03T01:45:17 < zyp> haha
2017-02-03T01:45:35 < aandrew> heh http://www.notebookcheck.net/Enthusiasts-bring-classic-ThinkPad-designs-to-the-modern-era.194630.0.html
2017-02-03T01:45:42 < zyp> nah, I just mentioned that I've used it for a bunch of stuff already so I'm really familiar with it
2017-02-03T01:45:56 < dongs> fuck broadwell
2017-02-03T01:46:32 < dongs> 15W garbage
2017-02-03T01:46:37 < dongs> never agian
2017-02-03T01:46:43 < zyp> haha
2017-02-03T01:46:46 < dongs> no, seriously
2017-02-03T01:46:52 < zyp> how bad is it?
2017-02-03T01:46:55 < dongs> bad
2017-02-03T01:47:01 < dongs> any of hose i7-xxxxU shits are trash
2017-02-03T01:47:14 < dongs> kikelake i5 is faster than any of those
2017-02-03T01:47:27 < zyp> but how fast does it eat all your battery?
2017-02-03T01:47:37 < dongs> i donno, i dont buy macbooks
2017-02-03T01:47:58 < zyp> this is not a laptop?
2017-02-03T01:48:04 < dongs> laptop
2017-02-03T01:48:19 < dongs> only macbook users care about how many hours they can sit at starbucks
2017-02-03T01:48:21 < dongs> without plugging in
2017-02-03T01:48:30 < kOStiX> haha
2017-02-03T01:48:34 < dongs> my dell tells m 7.5 hours remaining
2017-02-03T01:48:36 < zyp> I mean, why the fuck would you put a 15W cpu in something that's not going to be cpu powered?
2017-02-03T01:48:36 < dongs> of irc time
2017-02-03T01:48:50 < zyp> that's pretty good, I guess
2017-02-03T01:48:55 < dongs> 45W cpu, 4K screen
2017-02-03T01:49:11 < zyp> my laptop used to do that, but it's six years now
2017-02-03T01:50:51 < zyp> idk about starbucks, but if you're sitting on a plane or a train or whatever for half a day, it's nice to be able to get shit done
2017-02-03T01:51:58 < dongs> last plane i was in had AC outlets in seats
2017-02-03T01:52:03 < dongs> same with trains
2017-02-03T01:52:11 < zyp> yeah, it's becoming less of a problem now that there's power outlets almost everywhere
2017-02-03T01:52:23 < zyp> but still nice to not have to hassle with that everywhere
2017-02-03T01:53:12 < dongs> scan with windows dickfender, god damn i need to find that group policy shit to disable that fagotry
2017-02-03T01:53:26 < zyp> haha
2017-02-03T01:54:23 < zyp> so anyway, I hear people say C++ is awful because some people do stupid unreadable weird shit with it
2017-02-03T01:54:31 < zyp> turns out C has the same problem: https://blog.feabhas.com/2017/02/abusing-c-switch-statement-beauty-eye-beholder/
2017-02-03T01:57:43 < dongs> stopped reading when they pasted non-indented code as valid
2017-02-03T01:58:06 < dongs> anyone who writes case COCK: case COCK2: can fuck right off
2017-02-03T01:59:33 < kakimir> true
2017-02-03T02:04:28 < kakimir> that is animal behaviour
2017-02-03T02:08:24 < dongs> > so apparently today there was a phone call between trump and putin.  An official "between heads of state" phone call.
2017-02-03T02:08:27 < dongs> > the white house turned off the equipment used to document and record the call (required under federal data retention laws).
2017-02-03T02:08:30 < dongs> > so nobody knows what was discussed.
2017-02-03T02:08:33 < dongs> lol
2017-02-03T02:08:35 < dongs> RIP usa
2017-02-03T02:11:44 < kakimir> is he a puppet really?
2017-02-03T02:11:49 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-02-03T02:14:45 < englishman> aandrew: interestingly one of my arrow orders was dropshipped from verical
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2017-02-03T02:22:57 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/8cpSW8p.jpg
2017-02-03T02:22:59 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/0EyHrwP.jpg
2017-02-03T02:23:11 < englishman> dicknplacing skills levelled up
2017-02-03T02:26:12 < zyp> nice
2017-02-03T02:26:20 < zyp> when are you levelling up to a siplace?
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2017-02-03T02:27:12 < englishman> lets start with not making negative money
2017-02-03T02:27:15 < englishman> and go from there
2017-02-03T02:27:21 < zyp> :)
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2017-02-03T02:29:03 < zyp> why is the feeder you're using for usb connectors gigantic compared to the others?
2017-02-03T02:29:33 < englishman> that crap is on 24mm tape
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2017-02-03T02:30:00 < zyp> yeah, but why the fuck does that make the feeder so huge?
2017-02-03T02:30:05 < englishman> dono
2017-02-03T02:30:13 < englishman> its almost completely different from the 8, 12, 16mm that i have
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2017-02-03T02:31:38 < zyp> got any vids of it in action?
2017-02-03T02:31:49 < zyp> at actual speed
2017-02-03T02:32:29 < englishman> yeah, i was placing at 100% yesterday, just with long pick/place/vision delays
2017-02-03T02:32:49 < englishman> cuz its on a rather flimsy wooden bench and rocks around quite a bit
2017-02-03T02:32:54 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQD8ibvp1c
2017-02-03T02:33:59 < kOStiX> nice, how much such a machine costs?
2017-02-03T02:34:09 < englishman> $6900 + ship + feeders
2017-02-03T02:34:17 < englishman> + compressor + all the other shit
2017-02-03T02:34:29 < kOStiX> cool
2017-02-03T02:34:40 < zyp> not bad
2017-02-03T02:34:50 < kOStiX> you do lots of boards?
2017-02-03T02:34:54 < englishman> trying to
2017-02-03T02:38:24 < kOStiX> cool
2017-02-03T02:38:32 < kOStiX> so how fast that lil board is done?
2017-02-03T02:38:43 < englishman> 3 months
2017-02-03T02:38:49 < kOStiX> haha
2017-02-03T02:39:01 < kOStiX> nah i mean how long it takes to place the parts start to finish?
2017-02-03T02:39:14 < englishman> dono yet, still havent hooked up all the top side parts
2017-02-03T02:39:24 < kOStiX> ah i see
2017-02-03T02:39:28 < englishman> bottom side is 4:38 for all 6 in the panel, just 0402s
2017-02-03T02:39:37 < englishman> top side will be a little more
2017-02-03T02:39:46 < englishman> 6 minutes in the oven per side
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2017-02-03T02:40:02 < kOStiX> so you cook it then the other side?
2017-02-03T02:40:03 < englishman> few seconds at the paste printer
2017-02-03T02:40:13 < englishman> yeah, place the bottom, cook, place the top, cook
2017-02-03T02:40:19 < boB_K7IQ> englishman  what make is the Pic&Place ?   What is that small-ish oven ?
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2017-02-03T02:40:56 < kOStiX> nice, bottom components cant fall down on the second cook?
2017-02-03T02:41:01 < boB_K7IQ> Looks almost sorta like our PPM's
2017-02-03T02:41:20 < boB_K7IQ> But I suppose most of these machines look very similar to a point
2017-02-03T02:41:43 < englishman> kOStiX: if they can, they don't, if the solder turns liquid the surface tension will keep the parts on
2017-02-03T02:41:44 < zyp> kOStiX, that doesn't tend to be a problem
2017-02-03T02:41:57 < kOStiX> i see
2017-02-03T02:42:01 < kOStiX> what bout bigger chips?
2017-02-03T02:42:06 < englishman> boB_K7IQ: QiHE TVM920
2017-02-03T02:42:12 < kOStiX> i see they glue them sometime
2017-02-03T02:42:15 < englishman> oven is cheapo T960
2017-02-03T02:42:18 < kOStiX> have seen boards
2017-02-03T02:42:31 < englishman> hasn't been necessary for me
2017-02-03T02:42:35 < englishman> but ive seen that too
2017-02-03T02:42:57 < zyp> I think gluing was more common before
2017-02-03T02:43:03 < zyp> for wave soldering smt parts
2017-02-03T02:43:09 < kOStiX> ah
2017-02-03T02:44:29 < zyp> nowadays I don't think that's very common outside of boards where you really need to mix smt and pth and can't do smt only on top
2017-02-03T02:44:53 < kOStiX> yeah
2017-02-03T02:45:04 < upgrdman> :( starting to feel like i should have used resistor networks and transistor networks    http://imgur.com/a/vd0Jv
2017-02-03T02:45:20 < zyp> and even for mixed boards, you can do selective wave nowadays
2017-02-03T02:45:33 < englishman> ^ that stuff is cool
2017-02-03T02:55:41 < aandrew> https://i.redd.it/a9ii88vqrgdy.jpg
2017-02-03T03:01:06 < aandrew> heh carsan uses old siplace equipment, even their ancient stuff is amazing
2017-02-03T03:01:18 < aandrew> I watched some videos of the latest and greatest siplace, holy fuck
2017-02-03T03:01:36 < zyp> that speedstar head and the vibration feeders
2017-02-03T03:01:39 < zyp> it's crazy
2017-02-03T03:01:42 < aandrew> yeah
2017-02-03T03:01:59 < aandrew> teh siplace units they have are still impressive, but the new stuff is amaze
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2017-02-03T03:27:05 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgjar.co/jar/Fa_rvKtEU0yr5f_QDj3sZg.jpg
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2017-02-03T03:59:59 < aandrew> zyp: hahaha
2017-02-03T04:00:01 < aandrew> "the majority of you are reaching for a paper bag to help control your breathing and quoting how many MISRA-C rules this single bit of code actually breaks"
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2017-02-03T04:01:52 < zyp> :D
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2017-02-03T04:24:19 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/KTnBWHq.gifv
2017-02-03T04:25:31 < kOStiX> lol
2017-02-03T04:31:44 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-02-03T04:32:13 < englishman> hanging out at a mosque with legally obtained firearm
2017-02-03T04:32:14 < englishman> u?
2017-02-03T04:32:15 < dongs> upgrdman: is that drugs
2017-02-03T04:32:35 < upgrdman> dongs, considering the womans appearance, prolly.
2017-02-03T04:34:03 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/Q6ARjhc
2017-02-03T04:34:50 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-03T04:34:59 < dongs> i dont like that pgup/down/home etc are on Fn keys on this dell
2017-02-03T04:35:01 < dongs> thats gay as fuck
2017-02-03T04:35:57 < dongs> god damn fucking EDGE
2017-02-03T04:35:59 < dongs> resize window
2017-02-03T04:36:00 < zyp> hah
2017-02-03T04:36:00 < dongs> close it
2017-02-03T04:36:10 < dongs> open again: back to old ize
2017-02-03T04:36:15 < dongs> which is like HUGE
2017-02-03T04:36:16 < dongs> wtf????
2017-02-03T04:36:17 < zyp> have you considered using something that actually works?
2017-02-03T04:36:31 < dongs> zyp, I'm trying to use something that microsoft supposedly wants people to use
2017-02-03T04:36:59 < zyp> I thought that went for all the shit they make
2017-02-03T04:37:12 < zyp> next thing you're gonna be using bing
2017-02-03T04:38:20 < upgrdman> dongs, which dell
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2017-02-03T04:44:22 < dongs> upgrdman: new xps15/9560
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2017-02-03T04:45:52 < upgrdman> is there an xps17
2017-02-03T04:46:02 < upgrdman> kinda miss high-end 17" not-gamer-fag laptops
2017-02-03T04:46:16 < dongs> apparently TN screens are making a comeback
2017-02-03T04:46:18 < dongs> for gamerfags
2017-02-03T04:46:19 < zyp> isn't xps like retard line?
2017-02-03T04:46:24 < dongs> who want dull shit colors
2017-02-03T04:46:28 < zyp> or am I mixing up?
2017-02-03T04:46:28 < dongs> and ZERO GHOSTING
2017-02-03T04:46:34 < dongs> zyp, thats alienware
2017-02-03T04:46:39 < dongs> xps is like macbooks of dell
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2017-02-03T04:46:44 < zyp> no, not that retard
2017-02-03T04:46:48 < dongs> alienware is gamer shit
2017-02-03T04:47:05 < zyp> but wasn't xps the ones with awful rgb leds and shit?
2017-02-03T04:47:08 < dongs> inspiron is like "i got some money" line
2017-02-03T04:47:13 < dongs> and vostro is "im too poor, ill buy amd"
2017-02-03T04:47:30 < dongs> no, pretty sure that would be alienware
2017-02-03T04:47:41 < zyp> do they still have the latitude line?
2017-02-03T04:47:47 < kOStiX> i got an asus g74sx
2017-02-03T04:47:52 < kOStiX> 17"
2017-02-03T04:47:54 < kOStiX> heavy as fuck
2017-02-03T04:48:29 < dongs> zyp, looks like it
2017-02-03T04:49:00 < zyp> my old one was a latitude
2017-02-03T04:49:29 < zyp> but I bought that in 2007, so my knowledge of dell laptops date back to that time
2017-02-03T04:49:49 < zyp> a guy I know had what I believe was an xps, and it was some gaudy heavy gamer shit
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2017-02-03T04:50:57 < dongs> zyp, the 'mobil
2017-02-03T04:51:06 < dongs> e workstation shit sdlkfjsdlkfj
2017-02-03T04:51:08 < dongs> omg this fucking internet
2017-02-03T04:51:13 < zyp> «Their home notebooks were also separated into two lines, Inspiron and XPS. While the XPS designation used to mean the hardware was high-end and well suited for gaming, that is no longer the case.»
2017-02-03T04:51:25 < zyp> okay
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2017-02-03T04:52:00 < zyp> so xps used to mean gaudy shit, then they bought alienware and moved it over there and killed off the xps name
2017-02-03T04:52:21 < zyp> and later they revived it for something else
2017-02-03T04:52:23 < zyp> it seems
2017-02-03T04:52:28  * dongs gies up chat
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2017-02-03T04:52:47 < upgrdman> xps is just the quality line from dell
2017-02-03T04:52:50 < dongs> cant even fucking chat with this shit dropping out every 30 sec
2017-02-03T04:53:00 < dongs> right, less plastic, more $
2017-02-03T04:53:33 < zyp> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Dell_XPS_M1730_Singapore.jpg <- I mean, look at this shit
2017-02-03T04:54:00 < dongs> haha.
2017-02-03T04:54:01 < dongs> ww
2017-02-03T04:54:14 < dongs> that fucking tenkey wtf
2017-02-03T04:54:17 < upgrdman> lol, gay
2017-02-03T04:54:31 < zyp> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Dell_XPS_M1710_LEDs.jpg
2017-02-03T04:54:35 < upgrdman> i miss 10key laptops though. and key travel. fuck chicklets
2017-02-03T04:54:57 < dongs> anyone who gets a backlit *touchpad* is a raging faggot
2017-02-03T04:55:07 < zyp> haha
2017-02-03T04:55:36 < zyp> oh, right, I think it was one of my pals that went with me to jp on my first trip that had one
2017-02-03T04:55:44 < zyp> in 2008
2017-02-03T04:55:54 < dongs> those sizes look around 2008 anyway
2017-02-03T04:55:57 < zyp> I remember it had a 150W power brick or something silly like that
2017-02-03T04:56:01 < dongs> kikepedia hasn't updated themselves since then
2017-02-03T04:56:08 < dongs> well this has 130W, but at least it doesnt look like a fucking brick
2017-02-03T04:56:17 < dongs> size is actually decent-ish
2017-02-03T04:56:30 < upgrdman> dongs, barrel jack or usb-c?
2017-02-03T04:56:34 < dongs> barrel
2017-02-03T04:56:36 < upgrdman> err 130w cant be usb-c
2017-02-03T04:56:38 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-03T04:56:44 < dongs> it does support charge over USB-C
2017-02-03T04:56:48 < dongs> i don't have anything to try it wiht tho
2017-02-03T04:56:50 < upgrdman> oh nice
2017-02-03T04:57:05 < upgrdman> wonder if it could trickle charge with a 5V2A phone charter
2017-02-03T04:57:18 < upgrdman> that's be sweet for weekend trips
2017-02-03T04:57:18 < dongs> lets find out
2017-02-03T04:58:55 < dongs> doesnt seem to work, but i doubt my shit is USB-PD capable
2017-02-03T04:59:36 < dongs> now edge is opening in the old size
2017-02-03T04:59:38 < dongs> so god damn random
2017-02-03T04:59:40 < dongs> what the fuck man
2017-02-03T04:59:59 < kOStiX> its like beta
2017-02-03T05:00:24 < zyp> I think the anker charger I bought in jp last summer does PD
2017-02-03T05:00:29 < dongs> doubt it
2017-02-03T05:00:40 < dongs> i have some trollsmart thing with QC3.0 and usb-c, and it doesnt
2017-02-03T05:00:45 < dongs> and that was bought after you
2017-02-03T05:01:03 < dongs> phones dont do usb-pd anyway
2017-02-03T05:01:05 < dongs> it would be useless
2017-02-03T05:01:26 < zyp> not my fault you buy shit :p
2017-02-03T05:01:30 < zyp> https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01C8LM7Y0/ <- says PD
2017-02-03T05:01:43 < dongs> oic
2017-02-03T05:01:54 < dongs> er wut
2017-02-03T05:01:57 < dongs> thats not a battery bank
2017-02-03T05:02:00 < dongs> thats just AC adapter
2017-02-03T05:02:16 < dongs> i was talking about battery pack thing.
2017-02-03T05:02:33 < zyp> AC adapter yes
2017-02-03T05:02:40 < zyp> sorry for the confusion
2017-02-03T05:02:50 < zyp> according to the label it can do 30W on PD
2017-02-03T05:03:03 < zyp> 15V/2A or 20V/1.5A
2017-02-03T05:03:30 < zyp> also 5V/3A and 9V/3A
2017-02-03T05:04:26 < zyp> https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B015E1STPC/ <- IIRC this shit can do PD
2017-02-03T05:04:36 < zyp> but I didn't buy that, because it's way overkill for just phones
2017-02-03T05:05:15 < zyp> hmm, maybe not, seems to just do 5V/3A
2017-02-03T05:27:55 < dongs> ugh i cant even rdp to work
2017-02-03T05:27:55 < dongs> wtf
2017-02-03T05:27:57 < dongs> piece of shit
2017-02-03T05:34:35 < dongs> 15" 4K is not bad, quite usable
2017-02-03T05:35:26 < zyp> are you sure it's resolution enough?
2017-02-03T05:36:28 < dongs> have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
2017-02-03T06:05:42 < englishman> no 5k, psh
2017-02-03T06:05:46 < englishman> inferior non-mac trash
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2017-02-03T06:12:24 < ohsix> ReadError: ARBY'S HIDDEN MENU
2017-02-03T06:13:49 < ohsix> had to think for a second how they wedged that shit into the last workaholics
2017-02-03T06:21:28 < englishman> fucking trash A/C is broken again
2017-02-03T06:21:34 < englishman> dicknplace losing precision at 29C
2017-02-03T06:27:53 < dongs> 29C indoors? what teh fuck
2017-02-03T06:27:56 < dongs> time to move to japan
2017-02-03T06:28:03 < dongs> its like 5C in my room when i wake up
2017-02-03T06:28:12 < englishman> dude spent 5h on tuesday 'fixing' it
2017-02-03T06:28:39 < englishman> its 29C indoors and like -29C outdoors
2017-02-03T06:28:52 < englishman> someone is paying for this and im glad its not me
2017-02-03T06:31:10 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/03/snap_files_for_ipo/ what the shit
2017-02-03T06:31:19 < dongs> snapshat, 3 bil, of what?
2017-02-03T06:31:48 < englishman> isnt this news old as fuck, they filed months ago
2017-02-03T06:31:53 < upgrdman> is that the app where you sent people photos and they cant save the photo
2017-02-03T06:32:00 < dongs> i think so
2017-02-03T06:32:04 < englishman> yes unless you use the save-photo feature
2017-02-03T06:32:32 < upgrdman> i guess dick pix platforms are worthy of an IPO
2017-02-03T06:32:46 < englishman> well it is a very popular dick pic app
2017-02-03T06:32:56 < englishman> something like 50% of all phones belonging to under-20s have it installed
2017-02-03T06:33:22 < emeb_mac> those under-20's need to get the fuck off my lawn
2017-02-03T06:33:37 < englishman> youre just mad you dont have $3b in cash for your dick pic app
2017-02-03T06:34:06 < englishman> btw dongs
2017-02-03T06:34:19 < englishman> apple quarterlies are in, all-time highest revenues last quarter
2017-02-03T06:34:22 < englishman> almost $80b
2017-02-03T06:34:35 < englishman> iphone 7 is the most popular iphone ever
2017-02-03T06:36:25 < dongs> thats a lot of anuses penetrated by shriveled steve's cock
2017-02-03T06:37:02 < upgrdman> legit wonder why ifags would but but phone with no headphone jack
2017-02-03T06:37:04 < englishman> it is@
2017-02-03T06:37:05 < englishman> !
2017-02-03T06:37:07 < upgrdman> buy*
2017-02-03T06:37:09 < englishman> record number of buttholes
2017-02-03T06:37:48 < upgrdman> is this worldwide sales thats record breaking? or is this like the first iphone people are buying in china, so the numbers got skewed the fuck up?
2017-02-03T06:38:09 < englishman> dono, didnt read, stock went to $128
2017-02-03T06:41:39 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWqNY7umCNg&t=23s
2017-02-03T06:41:42 < ohsix> fff
2017-02-03T06:43:46 < ohsix> not as impressive as the last one, takes ram off flip chip cpu thing & replaces it
2017-02-03T06:46:53 < ohsix> lul cheap bearing slides are cheap
2017-02-03T06:47:08 < ohsix> was going to try and scav some but they're 2$ so f it
2017-02-03T06:48:03 < ohsix> pal wants to jigger a ghetto axidraw
2017-02-03T06:49:18 < ohsix> https://www.adafruit.com/product/858 these things suck so bad
2017-02-03T06:50:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, you have a job now right? why buying cheap shit steppers
2017-02-03T06:55:12 < dongs> o6 having a job
2017-02-03T06:55:15 < dongs> joke of the century
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2017-02-03T06:59:49 < dongs> Tectu_: did yo usee my blog about code87 being complete garbage
2017-02-03T07:01:19 < Tectu_> dongs, nope, scrolling now...
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2017-02-03T07:02:19 < Tectu_> dongs, press the context key + F12
2017-02-03T07:02:36 < Tectu_> dongs, the context key has a small ´FN´ printed on the side
2017-02-03T07:02:51 < Tectu_> dongs, note that there are dip switches on the back side that allow disabling FN crap completely
2017-02-03T07:03:34 < dongs> ah cool
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2017-02-03T07:56:47 < dongs> i just fucking noticed
2017-02-03T07:56:51 < dongs> theres some button on edge toolbat
2017-02-03T07:56:56 < dongs> that looks like jewbunto logo??/
2017-02-03T07:57:03 < dongs> oh its  the share button
2017-02-03T07:57:03 < dongs> wtf
2017-02-03T07:59:56 < dongs> ... ctrl+v to paste screnshot into imgur isnt working in edge
2017-02-03T08:00:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rcuAPZd.png
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2017-02-03T08:57:59 < zhivko> Hey
2017-02-03T08:58:23 < zhivko> I have encoder that is 5V based
2017-02-03T08:58:56 < zhivko> Would it work with stm32f or i need some voltage translators?
2017-02-03T08:59:38 < dongs> 5v "encoder"?
2017-02-03T08:59:55 < dongs> i suppose you can use FT pins
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2017-02-03T09:00:00 < dongs> if they match to the timer hardwaer you wanna use
2017-02-03T09:00:04 < dongs> well FUCK YOU TOO
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2017-02-03T09:00:32 < dongs> zhivko: use FT pins if it aligns with ch1/2 of the timer you wanna use
2017-02-03T09:00:36 < dongs> waht is a 5V encoder anyway?
2017-02-03T09:00:42 < dongs> don't they just short stuff to vcc/gnd?
2017-02-03T09:01:15 < zhivko> Good point need to check
2017-02-03T09:01:39 < zhivko> But on encoder datasheet side pins are gnd and 5V
2017-02-03T09:01:40 < dongs> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/dongs-encoder-wiring.png
2017-02-03T09:03:04 < zhivko> This caps are for hard debounce?
2017-02-03T09:03:09 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-03T09:03:34 < dongs> you dont need them depending on how youre gonna scan it
2017-02-03T09:03:45 < zhivko> On 5V signal from enc was pretty clean
2017-02-03T09:03:56 < zhivko> So maybe dont need those
2017-02-03T09:04:11 < dongs> is it just a regular encoder knob? or what?
2017-02-03T09:04:19 < dongs> or is it something motorized/whatever
2017-02-03T09:04:25 < zhivko> Its encoder on motor
2017-02-03T09:04:42 < dongs> but why does it need 5V? is it hall based then?
2017-02-03T09:04:49 < dongs> and theres some circuit inside to output the A/B stuff?
2017-02-03T09:05:01 < dongs> in that case yea y ou dont need to debounce it.
2017-02-03T09:05:10 < zhivko> https://goo.gl/photos/pvEZKeC5F1W4ohgt5
2017-02-03T09:05:26 < zhivko> This is my current arduino board
2017-02-03T09:05:54 < zhivko> I want to move it to stm32f3
2017-02-03T09:05:54 < dongs> omg skype sounds
2017-02-03T09:06:09 < zhivko> ;)
2017-02-03T09:06:30 < zhivko> Need faster pwm  its oneof tge reasons
2017-02-03T09:07:53 < ohsix> upgrdman: i'm not buying them, but i have a lot of them
2017-02-03T09:07:57 < ohsix> you can get like 20 for 10bux lul
2017-02-03T09:08:13 < ohsix> they're not _useless_, it just doesn't inspire a lot of ideas to see them move
2017-02-03T09:08:27 < dongs> anyway if oure gonna use timer for encoder, just make sure the ch1/2 pins are FT = 5v tolerant
2017-02-03T09:08:32 < dongs> then it works fine
2017-02-03T09:09:12 < zhivko> Ah! So then i can use 5v supply on encoder like now
2017-02-03T09:09:16 < ohsix> having tons of memory in the laptop makes all other computers laughable haouhaouhauoh
2017-02-03T09:09:59 < zhivko> Length of cable is 2m
2017-02-03T09:10:47 < zhivko> I hope on low noise environm. Last time i found that neon lights means huge emi
2017-02-03T09:13:39 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RyodnisVvU dug this up to send to a friend, still kewl
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2017-02-03T09:25:32 < dongs> haha
2017-02-03T09:25:38 < dongs> trying to buid in vs2015 some code from 2004
2017-02-03T09:26:09 < kOStiX> it converts shit no?
2017-02-03T09:26:18 < dongs> for (int X = ...) {
2017-02-03T09:26:20 < dongs> ...
2017-02-03T09:26:20 < dongs> }
2017-02-03T09:26:24 < dongs> stuff(X);
2017-02-03T09:26:28 < dongs> this used to work, lol
2017-02-03T09:26:53 < dongs> zyp, whats up with std::excpetion
2017-02-03T09:27:26 < kOStiX> u including needed stuffs?
2017-02-03T09:28:31 < dongs> typedef typename _WatType::Dongs<FooType>::GayType WatType;
2017-02-03T09:28:33 < dongs> whats this shit?!
2017-02-03T09:28:37 < dongs> too ahrdcore c++ for me
2017-02-03T09:29:52 < ohsix> beep Laurenceb 
2017-02-03T09:29:53 < ohsix> Then, in 2003, a teen-ager named Christopher Poole launched 4chan—and when the crudest users got booted they migrated to 8chan, and eventually to Voat.co.
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2017-02-03T09:34:44 < dongs> ah right
2017-02-03T09:34:48 < dongs> std thing is microsoft cleaning up namespaces
2017-02-03T09:34:55 < dongs> where you need to actually using std; if you wanna bring that stuff into scope
2017-02-03T09:40:28 < ohsix> h3h
2017-02-03T09:40:40 < ohsix> i need to find a robotics book that has basic shit in it to teach out of
2017-02-03T09:41:07 < ohsix> everything i can actually find covers movement and singularities and jacobians and all sorts of shit, i want the end effectors, the type of movements, mechanical shit
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2017-02-03T09:43:51 < ohsix> it's weird being too busy for irc, and it isn't that busy huhu
2017-02-03T09:44:09 < ohsix> !work ends up taking 4 hours and nothing actually happens
2017-02-03T09:45:38 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-03T09:45:43 < dongs> no idea what the fuck this etmplate shit is
2017-02-03T09:45:45 < ohsix> need a book on visible light communicationshits to
2017-02-03T09:45:47 < ohsix> o
2017-02-03T09:46:13 < ohsix> there's some pie-in-the-sky funding that wants to commercialize visible light downlinks for network access
2017-02-03T09:46:21 < ohsix> i have a vague idea at how it will suck
2017-02-03T09:50:36 < dongs> where are all the non-ignored C++ pros
2017-02-03T09:51:41 < ohsix> heheh
2017-02-03T09:51:49 < ohsix> could this be our reconcilliation!!!!!!!!1111
2017-02-03T09:51:55 < ohsix> (nope)
2017-02-03T09:54:23 < ohsix> need the dspguide.com / dsprelated.com of robotics
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2017-02-03T10:11:05 < dongs> hahaha another retarded edge bug
2017-02-03T10:11:26 < dongs> apparently they t hought it was cool to do special handling for part of titlebar thats a "tab" even if I dont use tabs
2017-02-03T10:11:40 < dongs> so dragging THAT , instead of dragging entire window, drags around just the tab part
2017-02-03T10:11:59 < dongs> the funny part is when you release mouse, it creates the window under it, but its about ~titlebar pixels taller
2017-02-03T10:12:07 < dongs> so if yo udrag around it a few times, it becomes a tall window
2017-02-03T10:12:14 < dongs> fucking amateurs
2017-02-03T10:13:37 < ohsix> ReadError: beep, clone power tool batteries, are they cheap enough to just get the cells out? from same lots and junk?
2017-02-03T10:15:25 < Steffanx> Dongs learn to adapt. Vs 2015 isnt that bad..
2017-02-03T10:15:35 < dongs> whats that have to do with vs
2017-02-03T10:15:57 < Steffanx> Werent you raging about vs 2015?
2017-02-03T10:16:05 < dongs> no, im raging about edge
2017-02-03T10:16:08 < dongs> for the last ~24h
2017-02-03T10:16:14 < Steffanx> Ah. Oops
2017-02-03T10:16:16 < dongs> the win10 default browser that microsoft wants you to use.
2017-02-03T10:16:40 < kOStiX> you can always use the good old ie :)
2017-02-03T10:16:53 < kOStiX> its there but not in the menues
2017-02-03T10:17:13 < dongs> thats another annoying thing
2017-02-03T10:17:21 < dongs> i've always started chrome by doing win-r->chrome
2017-02-03T10:17:30 < dongs> or win->r->iexplore
2017-02-03T10:17:34 < ReadError> ohsix: depends what kind of batts
2017-02-03T10:17:39 < ReadError> some used 18650s
2017-02-03T10:17:39 < dongs> now that chrome is gone, i thought win-r>edge would wor k but no
2017-02-03T10:17:42 < ohsix> you can tap win to search/run for everything
2017-02-03T10:17:42 < dongs> i hae to do win+edge
2017-02-03T10:17:55 < ohsix> ReadError: ya word i kind of wondered if you'd looked
2017-02-03T10:18:11 < ohsix> i need convenient batteries, not going to keep putting it off for some magic power bank lul
2017-02-03T10:18:12 < kOStiX> dongs: for me it works, win-r->chrome
2017-02-03T10:18:14 < kOStiX> opens chrome
2017-02-03T10:18:21 < kOStiX> win 10
2017-02-03T10:18:22 < dongs> yes, but i dont have chrome installed
2017-02-03T10:18:23 < ReadError> ohsix: doubt its cheaper
2017-02-03T10:18:24 < dongs> cuz it sucks.
2017-02-03T10:18:31 < dongs> i mean, thats how it used to work
2017-02-03T10:18:36 < dongs> i dont understand why edge doesnt start same way.
2017-02-03T10:18:58 < ohsix> ReadError: well, if it is close and they all come from the same lot, that's better than my chances otherwise
2017-02-03T10:20:32 < kOStiX> dongs, probably its path isnt in windows path settings
2017-02-03T10:20:59 < dongs> its a windows store app
2017-02-03T10:21:06 < dongs> anyway, uh... there's no 'exit' menu either
2017-02-03T10:21:09 < dongs> i have like 20 windows opena
2017-02-03T10:21:12 < dongs> and i wanna restart it
2017-02-03T10:21:18 < dongs> no fucking way but finding all of them and  closing
2017-02-03T10:21:20 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-02-03T10:21:38 < kOStiX> wonder if it restores if you purposedly crash it
2017-02-03T10:21:43 < dongs> it will
2017-02-03T10:21:50 < dongs> gonna try close window group
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2017-02-03T10:22:11 < dongs> ctrl+w stopped working for some reason
2017-02-03T10:22:35 < ohsix> kOStiX: met the guy behind http://www.moltenvoltage.com/ he's a lawyer with an office in our building olol, didn't get to see or talk much about the audio shit he does, but i told him i'm excited to
2017-02-03T10:23:23 < ohsix> lab apparently bought a similar chinese pcb oven that he uses
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2017-02-03T10:24:02 < dongs> piece of shit keeps forgetting last window size
2017-02-03T10:24:13 < dongs> i resize it, close it, boom it comes back at some random bigger size
2017-02-03T10:24:15 < ohsix> there is no last window size
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2017-02-03T10:27:20 < dongs> https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/Feedback/Details/2540495
2017-02-03T10:27:43 < dongs> https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/08/11/edgebug-twitter/
2017-02-03T10:27:44 < dongs> time to twat
2017-02-03T10:27:50 < kOStiX> dongs, here it doesnt behave like that
2017-02-03T10:27:59 < dongs> kOStiX: doesnt behave like what
2017-02-03T10:28:04 < kOStiX> i opem edge, resize, position, close the thing
2017-02-03T10:28:16 < kOStiX> open it and its where i left it last time
2017-02-03T10:28:33 < dongs> definitely not here
2017-02-03T10:28:42 < kOStiX> maybe u can do a sfc /scannow
2017-02-03T10:28:50 < dongs> i just installed this machine yesterday
2017-02-03T10:29:08 < kOStiX> windows dloaded from the warez?
2017-02-03T10:29:13 < dongs> i dont warez
2017-02-03T10:29:20 < dongs> i ahve legit msdn + licenses
2017-02-03T10:29:20 < kOStiX> ah
2017-02-03T10:29:21 < ohsix> haww sfc /scannow is the 'turn it off and on again' of this conversation
2017-02-03T10:29:23 < dongs> plus this is a new win10 machine
2017-02-03T10:29:30 < kOStiX> updates and stuff?
2017-02-03T10:29:32 < dongs> with digital entitlement for w10
2017-02-03T10:29:41 < dongs> obviously
2017-02-03T10:29:53 < kOStiX> guess its some marginal differences in some file versions or something
2017-02-03T10:29:56 < kOStiX> works fine here
2017-02-03T10:30:35 < kOStiX> so u upgraded or installed from clean?
2017-02-03T10:30:40 < dongs> i dont upgrade
2017-02-03T10:30:44 < kOStiX> yeah
2017-02-03T10:31:09 < zhivko1> what is cheapest way to translate signal from 5v to 3.3v ?
2017-02-03T10:31:10 < kOStiX> i've had weird shit after installing certain version of net framework
2017-02-03T10:31:25 < dongs> edge is not a .net app
2017-02-03T10:31:27 < kOStiX> that wouldnt let some app work
2017-02-03T10:31:37 < kOStiX> well i mean something along the lines 
2017-02-03T10:31:49 < ohsix> let me offer some advice, he doesn't necessarily care about what it is, or fixing it
2017-02-03T10:31:56 < zhivko1> Why cubefx is not showing 5V tolerant pins ?
2017-02-03T10:32:13 < zhivko1> cubemx :)
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2017-02-03T10:33:29 < dongs> datasheet does
2017-02-03T10:33:38 < kOStiX> Microsoft Edge 38.14393.0.0      Microsoft EdgeHTML 14.14393
2017-02-03T10:33:42 < kOStiX> is what i  got here
2017-02-03T10:33:51 < ohsix> ReadError: Costco in baskets is how you do that shit right
2017-02-03T10:33:57 < ohsix> it's practically a big costco ad
2017-02-03T10:34:09 < dongs> same
2017-02-03T10:34:20 < ohsix> ooh i have win10 let me see!11
2017-02-03T10:35:22 < ohsix> kOStiX: did you try making the size small enough to hide some of the ui
2017-02-03T10:36:12 < ohsix> nah forget that, works fine here too
2017-02-03T10:36:23 < ohsix> first boot after install actually
2017-02-03T10:36:57 < kOStiX> yep i tried minimum window size, all works
2017-02-03T10:36:59 < ohsix> bing looks like a pile of shit
2017-02-03T10:37:13 < ohsix> kOStiX: high dpi or mixed dpi displays?
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2017-02-03T10:38:10 < ohsix> man i h8 the win10 sounds with a passion, the computers in the lab use win10 and the add/remove hw noise is going off all the time
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2017-02-03T10:38:59 < kOStiX> ohsix: i got custom scaling level set to 150%, got 4 different size monitors
2017-02-03T10:39:11 < kOStiX> sit like a meter away from the display
2017-02-03T10:39:21 < ohsix> werd
2017-02-03T10:39:24 < ohsix> no idea
2017-02-03T10:39:45 < ohsix> unlessss it is weirdness with pressing win up and doing side by side arranging
2017-02-03T10:40:16 < kOStiX> dongs maybe its some video driver stuff or directx or something
2017-02-03T10:40:32 < kOStiX> might try that sfc
2017-02-03T10:41:10 < ohsix> http://www.sharp-world.com/contents/calculator/support/peripheral/index.html#1 heh neat, there's some sort of external display from one of the jacks on these calculators
2017-02-03T10:41:56 < Jak_o_Shadows> Reckon grahics calculators end up as permanent data loggers/displays much?
2017-02-03T10:42:42 < ohsix> shrug no idea
2017-02-03T10:42:57 < ohsix> normally there's a special transparent version for projectors
2017-02-03T10:44:07 < ohsix> heh sharp specifies the number of keys in key rollover, but nothing actually useful to help you pick which one to get
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2017-02-03T10:49:09 < dongs> great
2017-02-03T10:49:13 < dongs> so in bookmarks bar
2017-02-03T10:49:18 < dongs> i can have either all labels
2017-02-03T10:49:20 < dongs> or NO labels
2017-02-03T10:49:26 < dongs> but i can't give a favorite a label of ""
2017-02-03T10:55:26 < dongs> $69.50
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2017-02-03T10:56:40 < mitrax> crt: i like that shed
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2017-02-03T11:02:15 < jadew> man... godaddy sucks
2017-02-03T11:02:22 < jadew> (the hosting)
2017-02-03T11:02:25 < mitrax> dongs: when you refer to a type that is a template-dependent name inside a template you have to prefix it with typename to specify it's a type,  _WatType::Dongs<FooType>::GayType <= GayType could be something else than a type (i.e a static member)
2017-02-03T11:02:39 < dongs> ok lemme reopen vs
2017-02-03T11:02:43 < dongs> ths is not my code, this iss some insane shit
2017-02-03T11:02:47 < dongs> that used to compile in like vs2005
2017-02-03T11:02:50 < dongs> or matbe ene older
2017-02-03T11:03:30 < dongs> so what do  i need to do to fixit?
2017-02-03T11:03:35 < mitrax> what's the error?
2017-02-03T11:04:02 < dongs> it starts off with syntax error in that line
2017-02-03T11:04:11 < dongs> error C2059: syntax error: '<'
2017-02-03T11:04:12 < dongs> and then
2017-02-03T11:04:26 < mitrax> can you paste the code somewhere?
2017-02-03T11:05:05 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/7rpuYa20.html
2017-02-03T11:05:15 < dongs> error # 13
2017-02-03T11:05:19 < dongs> er @ line #13
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2017-02-03T11:07:28 < dongs> i dont even know waht the fuck its trying to do there
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2017-02-03T11:08:05 < dongs> pretty much
2017-02-03T11:08:13 < dongs> i did it after seeing template<
2017-02-03T11:08:14 < mitrax> try typedef typename _AllocType::template Rebind<NodeType>::ReboundType AllocType;
2017-02-03T11:09:16 < dongs> wow
2017-02-03T11:09:20 < dongs> youre the master of C++fuckery
2017-02-03T11:09:23 < mitrax> :p
2017-02-03T11:09:38 < dongs> what was the problem?
2017-02-03T11:10:25 < dongs> hm distance_type sounds like std
2017-02-03T11:11:40 < mitrax> Rebind is a template within _AllocType, so for the same reason you have to prefix a template dependant name with typename, the standard requires you specify it's a template, older versions of VC accepted the original syntax you had, you could do without typename etc the compiler wouldn't complain
2017-02-03T11:12:19 < dongs> i see. so yeah oldcode shit
2017-02-03T11:12:53 < dongs> whats the right way to address distance_type
2017-02-03T11:13:01 < dongs> it seems to be some kinda iterator shit
2017-02-03T11:14:32 < mitrax> in what code? usually the xxxx_type  are just some typedefs within a template so you can address sub-types easily 
2017-02-03T11:14:41 < dongs> there are magnets on the turntable
2017-02-03T11:14:50 < dongs> mitrax: they're doing custom operators
2017-02-03T11:14:58 < dongs>         db_iterator operator+ (distance_type dist)
2017-02-03T11:15:00 < dongs> or wahtever
2017-02-03T11:15:07 < dongs> did it get renamed to something else in newer stl?
2017-02-03T11:15:27 < dongs> i am seeing references to difference_type
2017-02-03T11:15:42 < dongs> https://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/distance_type.html
2017-02-03T11:17:19 < dongs> ill just comment that shit out for now
2017-02-03T11:17:22 < dongs> doenst seem t o be usful
2017-02-03T11:17:46 < dongs> yes
2017-02-03T11:17:48 < dongs> down to 2 errors
2017-02-03T11:17:53 < mitrax> dongs: not familiar with that, seems to be a SGI's STL specific helper
2017-02-03T11:18:01 < dongs> yeah i doubt its actually in use
2017-02-03T11:18:22 < mitrax> oh "Note that, while the function distance_type was present in the original STL, it is no longer present in the most recent draft C++ standard:"
2017-02-03T11:18:27 < mitrax> didn't see that
2017-02-03T11:19:01 < dongs> lol
2017-02-03T11:19:08 < dongs> gone it is.
2017-02-03T11:19:35 < dongs> remaining thing sems to be a link error du eto ancient vs config
2017-02-03T11:20:24 < dongs> Build: 2 succeeded, 0 failed, 5 up-to-date, 0 skipped
2017-02-03T11:20:25 < dongs> sweet
2017-02-03T11:21:51 < mitrax> crt: what's up? has your biz partner been murdered by an angry customer yet?
2017-02-03T11:30:35 < dongs> #define guard_throw(x) __asm int 3
2017-02-03T11:30:35 < dongs> ugh
2017-02-03T11:30:36 < dongs> lol
2017-02-03T11:31:46 < mitrax> crt: oh i was refering to his "side projects", last time we spoke someone was out to get him cause of a failing mix table or whatever
2017-02-03T11:31:54 < dongs> oh what the fuck
2017-02-03T11:32:51 < jadew> dongs, that's the debugger interrupt
2017-02-03T11:33:53 < jadew> maybe it's getting redefined based on stuff
2017-02-03T11:33:54 < dongs> i know
2017-02-03T11:33:57 < dongs> no
2017-02-03T11:34:00 < dongs> its fucking x64 build
2017-02-03T11:34:04 < dongs> no __asm faggotry t here
2017-02-03T11:34:19 < mitrax> dongs: replace it by DebugBreak() 
2017-02-03T11:34:25 < dongs> jesus this guy checks CPUID and shit and has 3 differnt own implementations of MEMCPY
2017-02-03T11:34:28 < dongs> in mmx, sse, and sse2
2017-02-03T11:34:34 < dongs> because stdlib memcpy is TOO SLOW for him i guess
2017-02-03T11:34:37 < dongs> fuck, #ifdefing that shit out
2017-02-03T11:36:40 < mitrax> dongs: may i ask what it is?
2017-02-03T11:36:56 < dongs> old opensores from like 2004
2017-02-03T11:37:02 < dongs> just trying to build a 64bit version
2017-02-03T11:37:06 < dongs> no particular reason
2017-02-03T11:37:10 < mitrax> ah ok
2017-02-03T11:37:17 < dongs> 32bit one already builds OK
2017-02-03T11:40:05 < mitrax> is PLS ok compared to IPS/MVA or is it shit?
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2017-02-03T11:58:02 < tecdroid> bless you
2017-02-03T12:08:56 < dongs> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=168_1486001903 RIP humanity
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2017-02-03T12:12:59 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukCfYcoehWw
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2017-02-03T12:15:36 < jadew> time for bed, bbl
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2017-02-03T12:41:00 < dongs> hmm neat
2017-02-03T12:41:09 < dongs> pal has dwc_otg2 sores as well
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2017-02-03T12:42:51 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/tZLpiMr.jpg
2017-02-03T12:49:13 < jadew> is that a function? lol
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2017-02-03T12:49:34 < jadew> function call
2017-02-03T12:49:58 < jadew> what is it?
2017-02-03T12:50:59 < dongs> wut?
2017-02-03T12:51:01 < dongs> its verilog
2017-02-03T12:51:11 < jadew> ah!
2017-02-03T12:51:13 < jadew> module
2017-02-03T12:51:21 < jadew> and those are signals
2017-02-03T12:51:34 < jadew> got it, I thought it's some function declaration
2017-02-03T12:54:10 < dongs> BREAKING: Muslim terrorist attempts to stab a soldier outside the Louvre museum in France; attacker shot by soldier; museum evacuated
2017-02-03T12:54:23 < dongs> UPDATE: French Interior Ministry declares 'grave public security incident' underway at the Louvre museum; Palais Royal Musee du Louvre metro station has been closed; Police cordoned off the museum; reports say the attacker attempted to enter the museum with a suspicious suitcase
2017-02-03T12:54:28 < dongs> UPDATE: French police confirms attacker yelled 'Allahu Akbar' during attack; attempted possible beheading using a machete
2017-02-03T12:55:23 < Steffanx> Old :P
2017-02-03T12:55:34 < Steffanx> Was like an hour ago 
2017-02-03T12:56:02 < jadew> and that is why I'm avoiding going to France
2017-02-03T12:56:16 < dongs> sory
2017-02-03T12:56:20 < dongs> my irc feed is delayed
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2017-02-03T13:10:06 < dongs> < dongs> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=168_1486001903 RIP humanity < also, upgrdman's next challenge
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2017-02-03T13:51:03 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/03/australian_synchrotron_hacked/ RIP crt
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2017-02-03T14:21:02 < Steffanx> Those are nice crt
2017-02-03T14:21:12 < Steffanx> Weidmuller.
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2017-02-03T14:33:53 < Tectu> <3
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2017-02-03T15:10:00 < englishman> morning Tectu 
2017-02-03T15:10:16 < englishman> another fine day on the irc
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2017-02-03T15:12:13 < Tectu> Hi
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2017-02-03T15:28:08 < psprint_> Cannot find any PDF on ST Zio connector of nucleo boards, anyone knows which pins are designated to it?
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2017-02-03T15:46:17 < zhivko> I am building  stmf32 pcb, should i connect 5v usb supply to 3.3v voltage regulator?
2017-02-03T15:46:55 < zyp> depends, why?
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2017-02-03T15:47:01 < Laurenceb_> voltage goes where?
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2017-02-03T15:47:20 < zyp> Laurenceb_, down, of course :D
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2017-02-03T15:51:29 < zhivko> I am building stm32f3 pcb should I connect 5v usb vcc to 5v voltage regulator input?
2017-02-03T15:51:48 < zyp> maybe
2017-02-03T15:51:58 < zyp> why do you ask?
2017-02-03T15:52:06 < zhivko> I mean to 3.3 voltage reg input
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2017-02-03T15:52:38 < zyp> will this board have other power sources than usb?
2017-02-03T15:52:45 < zhivko> Board has 24v supply otherwise
2017-02-03T15:52:58 < Laurenceb_> "Louvre attacker shouted Allahu Akbar whilst running with machete"
2017-02-03T15:53:02 < Laurenceb_> the memes are real
2017-02-03T15:53:12 < zyp> do you want this board to be able to powered from usb when 24V is not connected?
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2017-02-03T15:53:29 < zyp> because if not, you can just leave out vbus
2017-02-03T15:53:57 < Laurenceb_> whatever you do, dont apply -vbus
2017-02-03T15:54:12 < Laurenceb_> I did that on one board, it literally blew the stm32 apart
2017-02-03T15:54:13 < zyp> you can connect vbus to a gpio if you want to be able to tell whether usb is connected or not, but that's not required either
2017-02-03T15:54:25 < Tectu> zyp, isn't VBUS also used for some detection stuff? Or was that that 5th pin?
2017-02-03T15:54:28 < zhivko> I want to run it also solely on usb
2017-02-03T15:54:44 < zyp> Tectu, the dwc_otg cores does that, the usbfs core doesn't
2017-02-03T15:54:59 < Tectu> ah
2017-02-03T15:55:07 < zyp> zhivko, then you probably need some diodes to feed either into your regulator
2017-02-03T15:55:34 < zyp> Tectu, it's still not required since you can disable that feature
2017-02-03T15:56:11 < zhivko> What diode you suggest?
2017-02-03T15:56:36 < zyp> I've used that BAT5x something with two diodes in a single package, it's convenient for stuff like that
2017-02-03T15:57:52 < zhivko> So i need 2 or 1?
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2017-02-03T15:58:56 < zhivko> ⁿⁿ
2017-02-03T15:58:56 < zyp> depends on your circuit and how bad it'll be by backfeeding a supply into another
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2017-02-03T16:05:35 < Steffanx> Hows Arrow, englishman?
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2017-02-03T16:20:42 < englishman> Steffanx: they called 3 times in 5 minutes and left no voice message or email
2017-02-03T16:20:50 < englishman> also no reply to my RMA request yet
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2017-02-03T17:13:38 < Steffanx> Lol they are doing great
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2017-02-03T17:15:17 < englishman> non. stop.
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2017-02-03T17:26:14 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/a/8Hkrx
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2017-02-03T17:49:28 < englishman> has anyone tried 'clear' soldermask
2017-02-03T17:50:15 < BrainDamage> what would you use it for? it'd piss me off because I wouldn't see the wetting edge
2017-02-03T17:51:46 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/maturetrumptwts
2017-02-03T17:54:35 < englishman> dono, id think it would be ugly
2017-02-03T18:01:57 < Laurenceb> SEAN "YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME" SPICER
2017-02-03T18:01:59 < Laurenceb> lulling
2017-02-03T18:05:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVd0rlTeQtM
2017-02-03T18:06:10 < englishman> wow i had rev A stm32f405 in stock
2017-02-03T18:17:11 < emeb> a classic
2017-02-03T18:17:19 < emeb> well-known bugs
2017-02-03T18:21:21 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/-h5qpXO3isM
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2017-02-03T18:27:52 < sync_> englishman: clear mask is seksi
2017-02-03T18:27:55 < sync_> but looks strange
2017-02-03T18:33:04 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/3a0fbad2a28de914f868133ee702cec2f7a9372795d3915639f4182de7771c72.png
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2017-02-03T19:47:21 < Laurenceb> playing the "how many profile pictures before you vomit" game
2017-02-03T19:48:24 < BrainDamage> start with your own, so the count is 1
2017-02-03T19:48:44 < Laurenceb> top bantz
2017-02-03T19:50:32 < Laurenceb> https://ibin.co/3B8yz6pj4iGg.png
2017-02-03T19:50:34 < Laurenceb> the horror
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2017-02-03T20:58:20 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-02-03T21:00:33 < Steffanx> your dong?
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2017-02-03T21:23:41 < englishman> The article claims that the reason has to do with connecting computers with phone lines in the days of yore. First off, what is the purpose of connecting a computer to a phone line!?
2017-02-03T21:23:42 < englishman> lol
2017-02-03T21:24:35 < Steffanx> "the article"
2017-02-03T21:24:39 < dongs> waht article
2017-02-03T21:25:16 < englishman> some guy asking about uart baudrates
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2017-02-03T21:32:24 < englishman> nice, gopro lost over $400m last year
2017-02-03T21:32:54 < englishman> spent ~$30m on r&d for their crappy drone
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2017-02-03T21:45:27 < dongs> lul
2017-02-03T21:45:40 < dongs> at least theyre not getting their offices raided
2017-02-03T21:45:42 < dongs> like LILY
2017-02-03T21:45:53 < dongs> fucken lol at htat shit.
2017-02-03T21:46:06 < dongs> i called it bs the minute shit popped up on bloggernet
2017-02-03T21:46:14 < dongs> a few of my pals actually asked if they should preorder it
2017-02-03T21:46:18 < dongs> IT LOOKS SO AMAZE LOL!!11
2017-02-03T21:46:35 < dongs> i was like yeah go ahead if you wanna lose your $700 or wahtever the fuck it was
2017-02-03T21:46:57 < englishman> raided?
2017-02-03T21:47:01 < dongs> yeah?
2017-02-03T21:47:05 < englishman> cool
2017-02-03T21:47:18 < dongs> http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2017/01/31/failed-drone-startup-lily-robotics-raided-for-possible-criminal-investigation-says-source/
2017-02-03T21:47:51 < dongs> https://www.lily.camera/updates/ did you read heir updates???
2017-02-03T21:47:55 < dongs> its all complete bullshit
2017-02-03T21:48:01 < dongs> We are expanding our calibration checks to ensure the camera will function properly across a larger range of geographic areas due to the earth’s varying magnetic fields.'
2017-02-03T21:48:04 < dongs> wat?
2017-02-03T21:48:07 < englishman> basically zano
2017-02-03T21:48:10 < dongs> Undergoing tests to verify the accuracy of the attitude estimator’s pitch and roll by utilizing a motion capture system.
2017-02-03T21:48:17 < englishman> wow
2017-02-03T21:48:18 < dongs> Investigating relative tracking accuracy between the Lily Camera and the tracking device by analyzing the positioning of GPS satellites to determine which are being utilized by the camera and the tracking device throughout flight.
2017-02-03T21:48:22 < dongs> wat?
2017-02-03T21:48:26 < dongs> Improved the calibration process through enhanced magnetic field detection. If the magnetic interference is great enough to permanently alter the magnetometer, the user will be prompted to re-calibrate.
2017-02-03T21:48:30 < dongs> etc
2017-02-03T21:48:33 < dongs> just bullshit x 1000
2017-02-03T21:48:43 < englishman> they must have contracted to ivan
2017-02-03T21:48:45 < englishman> that is utter ranting
2017-02-03T21:48:55 < dongs> Discovered and fixed a bug during the over-the-air update process in which Lily reaches a bad state. Now, Lily has a better error handling system to decompress over-the-air files.
2017-02-03T21:48:58 < dongs> haha
2017-02-03T21:49:01 < dongs> totally zano
2017-02-03T21:49:05 < dongs> i rmemeber ivan was writing update bootloader
2017-02-03T21:49:07 < dongs> for PIC32MZ
2017-02-03T21:49:33 < englishman> Passionate designer of technology
2017-02-03T21:49:33 < englishman> Self - Employed
2017-02-03T21:49:33 < englishman> November 2015 – Present (1 year 4 months)United Kingdom
2017-02-03T21:49:40 < dongs> haha
2017-02-03T21:49:50 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-03T21:49:53 < dongs> that tagline seems different
2017-02-03T21:49:59 < dongs> wasn't he a passionate INVENTOR of technology before?
2017-02-03T21:50:03 < dongs> or somethign similar
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2017-02-03T21:50:38 < dongs> Updated our calibration process by improving the geometric algorithm to ensure enough data points are taken within the fit of our mathematical model. Now, Lily’s magnetometer can better establish true north.
2017-02-03T21:50:53 < dongs> We developed a preliminary model to prevent barometric drift over time caused by the temperature and air dynamics within the waterproof membrane.
2017-02-03T21:50:56 < dongs> wot'
2017-02-03T21:51:10 < englishman> was it supposed to be waterproof too
2017-02-03T21:51:11 < dongs> oh, right
2017-02-03T21:51:14 < dongs> yes
2017-02-03T21:51:16 < englishman> also why would that affect pressure
2017-02-03T21:51:41 < dongs> We created an automated test to measure the accuracy of the motor controller to ensure that the motor RPM’s will perform within a certain tolerance.
2017-02-03T21:52:06 < dongs> We re-tuned the audio signal process to cope with loud noises by reducing the maximum gain.
2017-02-03T21:52:12 < dongs> why would it have audio
2017-02-03T21:52:15 < Laurenceb> https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhERCwtbXoZww5W/giphy.gif
2017-02-03T21:52:17 < dongs> unless recording
2017-02-03T21:53:01 < englishman> how long do you knead paste before using
2017-02-03T21:53:08 < dongs> just give it a stir
2017-02-03T21:53:20 < englishman> my prints are getting better
2017-02-03T21:53:27 < zyp> shaken, not stirred
2017-02-03T21:53:33 < dongs> i dont think you can shake paste
2017-02-03T21:53:37 < dongs> i mean, you can, but it wont do shit.
2017-02-03T21:53:40 < zyp> haha
2017-02-03T21:53:59 < englishman> basically all the problems are with placement now
2017-02-03T21:54:10 < englishman> which is hard to diagnose with fucking 15C temp swings
2017-02-03T21:54:17 < Laurenceb> waterproof would fuxor a pressure sensor
2017-02-03T21:54:20 < Laurenceb> see iphone 7
2017-02-03T21:54:30 < englishman> the best-selling iphone of all time?
2017-02-03T21:54:34 < Laurenceb> but how they can fix that in software I'm not sure
2017-02-03T21:55:07 < BrainDamage> I have a ip67 phone with pressure sensor, they just isolated the sensor's chamber from the rest
2017-02-03T21:55:19 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-02-03T21:59:35 < dongs> englishman: weird, but why temp affects accuracy
2017-02-03T22:01:34 < englishman> rubber belts, im guessing
2017-02-03T22:01:54 < englishman> or aluminium expansion
2017-02-03T22:02:06 < dongs> dont think that would matter
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2017-02-03T22:02:36 < englishman> lets see
2017-02-03T22:02:44 < englishman> alu is 10^-6 m / (m K)
2017-02-03T22:02:55 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-02-03T22:03:02 < Laurenceb> temperature causes baro offset
2017-02-03T22:03:04 < Laurenceb> simple as that
2017-02-03T22:03:19 < dongs> Laurenceb: different topic
2017-02-03T22:03:22 < zhivko> Hello guys... JTAG debuger uses TDI signal that I linked to PA15 of stm32f3 - now can I use this pin for some GPIO interraction or not ?
2017-02-03T22:03:22 < englishman> so 6um / 10deg
2017-02-03T22:03:28 < dongs> englishman: yea no
2017-02-03T22:03:29 < englishman> for 600mm alu plate
2017-02-03T22:03:32 < englishman> yea
2017-02-03T22:04:23 < zhivko> I mean  - should then I avoid that pin for any function then? or I can use it ?
2017-02-03T22:04:38 < dongs> zhivko: you just do, its not TDI by default
2017-02-03T22:04:56 < dongs> only swclk/swio are swd by default unless disabled by option bytes/rop
2017-02-03T22:05:04 < dongs> if you want it jtag you gotta set it to that AF
2017-02-03T22:05:30 < englishman> oh, better data
2017-02-03T22:05:42 < zhivko> sorry - you just do? what this means? should I map jtag tdi to another or how ?
2017-02-03T22:05:51 < zyp> dongs, uh, I think you're wrong
2017-02-03T22:05:55 < dongs> zyp, oh?
2017-02-03T22:06:00 < englishman> 600mm alu will expand 0.144mm or 6 mils
2017-02-03T22:06:03 < zhivko> to that AF?? sorry what this means ?
2017-02-03T22:06:05 < englishman> over 10C swing
2017-02-03T22:06:09 < Laurenceb>  zhivko: there are registers to disable parts/all of the JTAG and SWD
2017-02-03T22:06:10 < dongs> hm JTDI is AF0
2017-02-03T22:06:15 < englishman> so mid-plate is 3 mils error
2017-02-03T22:06:15 < Laurenceb> check datasheet
2017-02-03T22:06:16 < englishman> huge!
2017-02-03T22:06:19 < dongs> is that the default?
2017-02-03T22:06:21 < zyp> dongs, I think default AF is enabled for all jtag pins
2017-02-03T22:06:21 < Laurenceb> YUGE
2017-02-03T22:06:25 < englishman> ^
2017-02-03T22:06:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: jtag is default, yes
2017-02-03T22:06:33 < dongs> okay. so just configure it as gpio and use it.
2017-02-03T22:06:38 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-03T22:06:52 < englishman> dongs: so thats the math, and that's in line with what i was seeing
2017-02-03T22:06:52 < zhivko> Laurenceb: I dont want to disable it - I wanna use jtag - for debugging with blackmagic probe...
2017-02-03T22:07:00 < zyp> problem seems to be zhivko doesn't know the difference between jtag and swd
2017-02-03T22:07:17 < dongs> seems
2017-02-03T22:07:20 < zyp> zhivko, you'll want to use swd, which only uses two pins instead of four
2017-02-03T22:07:33 < zyp> that frees up TDI and TDO
2017-02-03T22:07:41 < dongs> but muh njtrst!!!
2017-02-03T22:07:42 < englishman> does st-link even do jtag
2017-02-03T22:07:50 < zhivko> but I have this blackmagic probe with 10 pin connector.
2017-02-03T22:07:56 < englishman> ...
2017-02-03T22:07:57 < dongs> englishman: real stdink does
2017-02-03T22:08:00 < zyp> he said blackmagic, blackmagic does both jtag and swd
2017-02-03T22:08:09 < dongs> zhivko: doesnt mean you have to use all 10
2017-02-03T22:08:12 < zyp> zhivko, just do swdp_scan instead of jtag_scan
2017-02-03T22:08:12 < dongs> some are: optional
2017-02-03T22:08:17 < zyp> zhivko, and it'll just work
2017-02-03T22:09:00 < zhivko> so this means I can just use this PA14 also as gpio pin - and sw of blackprobe will need to do swdp_scan  ?
2017-02-03T22:09:06 < zyp> correct
2017-02-03T22:09:14 < zhivko> I hope they do that ...
2017-02-03T22:09:28 < zyp> what software are you using?
2017-02-03T22:09:32 < zhivko> I mean they do both things in their SW or I am able to select which one they do...
2017-02-03T22:09:51 < zhivko> this blackmagic probe is running GDB debuger on probe
2017-02-03T22:09:56 < zyp> yes
2017-02-03T22:10:01 < dongs> no, its running gdbserver
2017-02-03T22:10:04 < zyp> and what software do you use to access it?
2017-02-03T22:10:07 < zhivko> oh yes
2017-02-03T22:10:10 < zhivko> sorry you are right
2017-02-03T22:10:12 < zhivko> gdbserver.
2017-02-03T22:10:30 < zhivko> I would like to use eclipse where I can configure gdb client
2017-02-03T22:10:37 < zhivko> and then step through code.
2017-02-03T22:10:54 < zyp> if you are using plain gdb, at one point, you have to do something like «monitor jtag_scan» or «monitor swdp_scan»
2017-02-03T22:10:58 < zyp> in your gdb client
2017-02-03T22:11:05 < zyp> that's where you choose which interface to use
2017-02-03T22:11:12 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzLK_YRD3w8 found video from zyp's last japan trip
2017-02-03T22:11:23 < zhivko> I hope... Now I am designing this pcb with stm32f3 - and I do not want to make some stupid mistake... A lot of unknowns since I moved from srduino world to STM
2017-02-03T22:11:34 < zyp> dongs, haha
2017-02-03T22:11:36 < dongs> ive never used full jtag pinout on any STM
2017-02-03T22:11:45 < dongs> i only use clk/io/swo
2017-02-03T22:12:24 < zyp> I used to break out full jtag, until I switched to tag-connect which doesn't include the TDI pin in the 6-pin pinout
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2017-02-03T22:12:39 < zyp> or maybe it does
2017-02-03T22:12:40 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-03T22:12:48 < dongs> the only thing to watch out on default jtag pins is if they're default pullup/pulldown or whatever, datasheet mentions this somewhere but if you dont care and once you switch it to GPIO or any other AF, they just work as normal pins.
2017-02-03T22:13:05 < zyp> vcc, gnd, nrst, swd, swclk, swo
2017-02-03T22:13:11 < zyp> ok, no room for TDI
2017-02-03T22:13:16 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-03T22:13:48 < dongs> 7/14/16
2017-02-03T22:13:49 < dongs> A new mag board was tested.
2017-02-03T22:13:54 < dongs> they've been playing wiht compass
2017-02-03T22:13:57 < dongs> for like halfa year
2017-02-03T22:13:59 < dongs> (lily camera)
2017-02-03T22:13:59 < zyp> beware that if TDI is still connected to the debugger, debugger might still drive it even when it's operating in swd mode
2017-02-03T22:14:00 < zhivko> So how to deal with this TDI ?
2017-02-03T22:14:11 < zhivko> that's I am afraid of
2017-02-03T22:14:41 < dongs> what do you want to use it for?
2017-02-03T22:14:52 < zhivko> so I would like to use it (PA14) for encoder - and I'm afraid this will be dead pin during debug sessionž
2017-02-03T22:14:59 < dongs> works
2017-02-03T22:15:00 < dongs> TIM2_CH1?
2017-02-03T22:15:02 < dongs> set to AF1, done.
2017-02-03T22:15:04 < zhivko> so gpio input
2017-02-03T22:15:20 < zyp> just modify the board so that pin doesn't connect to the debug socket
2017-02-03T22:15:26 < zyp> or something
2017-02-03T22:15:28 < dongs> hes making his own pcb i think
2017-02-03T22:15:44 < zyp> in that case, just don't connect it to debug socket in the first place
2017-02-03T22:15:49 < zyp> and you're good to go
2017-02-03T22:15:52 < zhivko> SORRY its PA15 not PA14
2017-02-03T22:16:00 < dongs> i know.
2017-02-03T22:16:02 < zhivko> yes I tried remap... no way so it seems
2017-02-03T22:16:07 < dongs> ?
2017-02-03T22:16:09 < dongs> remap of what
2017-02-03T22:16:14 < zhivko> TIM2_CH1
2017-02-03T22:16:20 < dongs> of course it works.
2017-02-03T22:16:42 < zyp> nothing works if you do it wrong :)
2017-02-03T22:16:46 < dongs> GPIO_PinAFConfig(GPIOA, GPIO_PinSource15, GPIO_AF_1);
2017-02-03T22:16:46 < zhivko> because I need 5V tolerant pin
2017-02-03T22:16:51 < dongs> or whatever equivalent shit
2017-02-03T22:17:00 < dongs> in whatever shit youre using
2017-02-03T22:17:14 < dongs> pretty sure if you click tim2_ch1 in cube it will automatically add all the neede shit
2017-02-03T22:17:46 < zhivko> so in cubemx - I used encoder mode under TIM2
2017-02-03T22:18:30 < zhivko> maybe I need to leave TIM2 and go with TIM3 - that could work then ... I will try this
2017-02-03T22:18:35 < dongs> dude
2017-02-03T22:18:46 < dongs> do you even read what people tlel you
2017-02-03T22:18:53 < dongs> just use the fucking pin, the end
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2017-02-03T22:20:02 < zhivko> this is harsh environment ... too much criticism for newbies :)
2017-02-03T22:20:07 < zhivko> hehe
2017-02-03T22:20:43 < dongs> zyp, writing host-side (like, windows or something) code to simulate hardware inputs to my fairly complex realtime program, y/n?
2017-02-03T22:20:54 < dongs> or shoudl I try to negro something up using keil debugger scripts
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2017-02-03T22:21:13 < dongs> apparently it can do timed routines that are clock-cycle accurate
2017-02-03T22:21:17 < zyp> I've been thinking about doing the same for my EV shit
2017-02-03T22:21:32 < zyp> that's why I did the display simulation stuff
2017-02-03T22:21:33 < englishman> sounds like a job for random hardware, possibly ftdi and python scripts
2017-02-03T22:21:49 < dongs> the thing is this shit has a lot of external connections some of the shit is quite bulky
2017-02-03T22:21:56 < dongs> and i dont want to hae al taht shit around my desk while working
2017-02-03T22:22:18 < zyp> you could hack up some hardware emulator shit then
2017-02-03T22:22:36 < zyp> just a board with a bunch of IOs that you control with some host simulation software
2017-02-03T22:22:47 < zyp> similar to how my arcin test shit works
2017-02-03T22:23:16 < dongs> mm
2017-02-03T22:25:01 < englishman> ft4232h
2017-02-03T22:25:10 < dongs> get the fuck ouy
2017-02-03T22:25:14 < zyp> haha
2017-02-03T22:25:14 < dongs> i only use pro tools
2017-02-03T22:25:25 < englishman> and python scripts
2017-02-03T22:25:29 < zyp> might as well dick up some custom stm32 shit
2017-02-03T22:25:35 < dongs> rite
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2017-02-03T22:25:53 < zyp> and your fav solution for controlling that
2017-02-03T22:26:01 < dongs> windows 10 desktop
2017-02-03T22:26:03 < dongs> of coutse
2017-02-03T22:26:04 < dongs> course
2017-02-03T22:27:59 < dongs> zyp, but if you continue with y our emulated display stuff on EV
2017-02-03T22:28:08 < dongs> will y ou eventually write test harness stuff on host os?
2017-02-03T22:28:13 < dongs> or also do external hardware simulation?
2017-02-03T22:29:12 < zyp> I considered mocking the entire hardware drivers on firmware side and making some gui controls to simulate them
2017-02-03T22:29:24 < zyp> «Car connected Y/N»
2017-02-03T22:29:41 < zyp> «Car current draw [slider]»
2017-02-03T22:29:42 < zyp> etc
2017-02-03T22:30:03 < dongs> ok. keil can do that.
2017-02-03T22:31:03 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/uv4/uv4_debug_functions.htm
2017-02-03T22:31:04 < dongs> this stuff
2017-02-03T22:31:11 < dongs> i think it c an even make some buttons in GUI
2017-02-03T22:31:13 < dongs> to trigger hw events
2017-02-03T22:31:17 < dongs> not sure about sliders
2017-02-03T22:31:23 < zyp> if I'm going that route, I'll probably add a whole host-build framework to laks that can simulate hardware stuff
2017-02-03T22:31:27 < dongs> i would probly be OK wiht jsut a textbox or something
2017-02-03T22:31:49 < zyp> but idk
2017-02-03T22:32:00 < dongs> i just dont want all this garbage hardware on my desk during work
2017-02-03T22:32:31 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-03T22:32:39 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/uv4/uv4_df_predeffunct.htm
2017-02-03T22:32:44 < dongs> like it sems i could do a timed thing
2017-02-03T22:32:49 < dongs> that does __WWORD type stuff
2017-02-03T22:32:54 < dongs> into say, TIMx registers
2017-02-03T22:33:00 < dongs> to simulate timer moving/triggering/etc
2017-02-03T22:33:05 < dongs> dunno if its worht the effort
2017-02-03T22:33:20 < zyp> idk, tell me how it goes if you try it
2017-02-03T22:33:38 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-03T22:33:47 < zyp> this RTC shit I dicked with a while ago is still running
2017-02-03T22:33:51 < zyp> now it's 19 seconds off
2017-02-03T22:33:55 < dongs> HEH
2017-02-03T22:33:59 < dongs> how long ago is a while?
2017-02-03T22:34:26 < dongs> better hookup some ublox M8T
2017-02-03T22:34:28 < zyp> think it's been running since last week or something, maybe more
2017-02-03T22:34:31 < dongs> you wlil need acurate timing for billing
2017-02-03T22:34:36 < zyp> haha, nah
2017-02-03T22:35:23 < zyp> the controller module thing will have internet and thus NTP, and can broadcast time to this shit over the CAN bus
2017-02-03T22:35:38 < zyp> that said, not sure why I even want RTC on this
2017-02-03T22:36:12 < dongs> http://www.intersil.com/content/dam/Intersil/documents/zl90/zl9006m.pdf
2017-02-03T22:36:16 < zyp> I want supercap on vbat for backupsram, so I figure I might as well do RTC, but idk for what
2017-02-03T22:38:40 < dongs> lmao last page in that datasheet
2017-02-03T22:38:49 < dongs> some vendors dont bother putting dimensions on drawings,
2017-02-03T22:38:56 < dongs> these guys went fucking all out
2017-02-03T22:41:38 < dongs> qemu had some limited stm32 emulation support right?
2017-02-03T22:41:41 < zyp> heh, internal inductor
2017-02-03T22:41:44 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-03T22:41:56 < zyp> well, last I checked it was third party
2017-02-03T22:41:58 < dongs> sure, its a SIP. internal inductor/fet outside of main asic package
2017-02-03T22:42:05 < dongs> https://github.com/beckus/qemu_stm32
2017-02-03T22:42:34 < zyp> looks like something that would be expensive
2017-02-03T22:43:00 < dongs> https://github.com/beckus/qemu_stm32/blob/stm32/hw/arm/stm32_dac.c
2017-02-03T22:43:01 < dongs> hm
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2017-02-03T22:56:00 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/appnotes/docs/apnt_196.asp
2017-02-03T22:56:02 < dongs> HMMMM
2017-02-03T23:02:29 < englishman> zyp, why supercap?
2017-02-03T23:12:06 < dongs> http://www.thelocal.dk/userdata/images/article/ac117d9a94553dfd16abb447139ed3c321a64e5eec59d6b1f3265b511e24dcd9.jpg
2017-02-03T23:28:45 < zyp> englishman, why nor?
2017-02-03T23:28:47 < zyp> not*
2017-02-03T23:29:46 < englishman> good reason
2017-02-03T23:31:05 < zyp> hmm, maybe I should drop that and put a holder for a coin cell instead
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2017-02-03T23:31:54 < zyp> nah, that would complicate stuff
2017-02-03T23:32:38 < zyp> don't have area for it on the top, and I can't put it on the bottom if it's going to be wave soldered
2017-02-03T23:37:47 < englishman> what size supercap?
2017-02-03T23:38:13 < englishman> i had a peek at some last week but they were all huge, still poor energy density
2017-02-03T23:38:42 < zyp> the one I used before was 200mF or so
2017-02-03T23:38:56 < zyp> 6.2mm diameter coin thing, plus solder lugs
2017-02-03T23:46:59 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/rL7QV.png <- next to the mounting hole here
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2017-02-04T00:32:43 < aandrew> zyp: need a bigger pic of that
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2017-02-04T00:46:43 < zyp> of what?
2017-02-04T00:47:10 < zyp> I don't think I have any better pics, and I don't have the hardware either
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2017-02-04T02:44:27 < ds2> #beagle-mentors
2017-02-04T02:44:29 < ds2> oops
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2017-02-04T02:47:35 < aandrew> beagle mentors eh?
2017-02-04T02:47:48 < aandrew> can they tell me how to disbale the fucking screen saver? every fucking site online is wrong
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2017-02-04T03:13:25 < dongs> i had that hardware last week
2017-02-04T03:13:39 < dongs> ds2, nice advertising there
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2017-02-04T03:21:42 < dongs> ok time to look at this agsi shit.
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2017-02-04T04:17:13 < dongs> hmm 300 SFRs max
2017-02-04T04:17:15 < dongs> for emulated dll
2017-02-04T04:17:18 < dongs> thats not a lot
2017-02-04T04:17:19 < dongs> wtf
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2017-02-04T04:31:49 < englishman> ft4232h is pretty cool
2017-02-04T04:34:04 < englishman> i took a new pix
2017-02-04T04:34:12 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/DqTbVTd.jpg
2017-02-04T04:39:04 < emeb_mac> englishman: nice kitties - what are you taunting them with?
2017-02-04T04:39:11 < englishman> croissant
2017-02-04T04:47:36 < Laurenceb_> sup
2017-02-04T04:48:00 < Laurenceb_> my mum broke her arm, had to take her to hospital :(
2017-02-04T04:48:10 < Laurenceb_> on the + side I met "Stacey"
2017-02-04T04:48:29 < Laurenceb_> she is a mad drug addicted grrrl who lives in the accident and emergency department
2017-02-04T04:48:45 < zyp> congratulations on your first sex
2017-02-04T04:48:49 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2017-02-04T04:48:56 < englishman> did you get any fentanyl from her
2017-02-04T04:50:20 < englishman> vancouver https://twitter.com/cbcnewsbc/status/827630225542479872
2017-02-04T04:50:33 < englishman> every year they discover snow for the first time
2017-02-04T05:00:01 < Laurenceb_> stacey stole all my cash
2017-02-04T05:00:35 < emeb_mac> dudes - fentanyl is awesome stuff.
2017-02-04T05:01:36 < emeb_mac> fentanyl + medazolam = time goes by fast
2017-02-04T05:10:31 < upgrdman> this kinda looks like Richard M Stallman  https://i.redd.it/3rvv4czpipdy.jpg
2017-02-04T05:10:32 < aandrew> I bet it'll go by eternally if you slip up
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2017-02-04T05:27:33 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/SillyFearfulIsabellineshrike
2017-02-04T05:30:19 < dongs> upgrdman: praying muslims?
2017-02-04T05:31:53 < upgrdman> supposedly isis or someshit
2017-02-04T05:32:05 < ohsix> sup
2017-02-04T05:32:19 < ohsix> everything is supposedly isis, dont' play yo
2017-02-04T05:32:19 < upgrdman> s/isis/talibad
2017-02-04T05:32:21 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryGfys/comments/5rs31o/taliban_meeting_doesnt_go_so_well/
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2017-02-04T05:46:55 < ohsix> lul have laser out for first time in months, dog is going proper nuts
2017-02-04T05:47:24 < ohsix> doesn't know whether to sit or bow or look in one direction, just nervous as hell
2017-02-04T05:47:44 < ohsix> she's pretty good about making eye contact so i'm doing distraction training shitz
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2017-02-04T06:04:48 < Laurenceb_> damn UKP120 down
2017-02-04T06:04:56 < Laurenceb_> well at least I know where to find her
2017-02-04T06:07:38 < dongs> UKP? more like mUdKiP120
2017-02-04T06:09:11 < Laurenceb_> UKIP pounds
2017-02-04T06:09:20 < Laurenceb_> make UK great again
2017-02-04T06:10:23 < Laurenceb_> my thirst for pussy is self destructive
2017-02-04T06:14:08 < emeb_mac> seriously you got pickpocketed by someone you were chatting up in a hospital waiting area?
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2017-02-04T06:15:52 < Laurenceb_> emeb_mac: yes
2017-02-04T06:16:14 < Laurenceb_> *someone who _lives_ in a hospital waiting area
2017-02-04T06:16:28 < emeb_mac> yeow
2017-02-04T06:17:19 < Laurenceb_> staff have given up as there are too many places to hide in there
2017-02-04T06:17:43 < emeb_mac> Consider it your contribution to the welfare state
2017-02-04T06:18:08 < Laurenceb_> Hospital Gollum
2017-02-04T06:18:14 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-02-04T06:18:25 < emeb_mac> see if you can steal the precious
2017-02-04T06:18:47 < Laurenceb_> apparently there are a few in most large hospitals
2017-02-04T06:19:05 < Laurenceb_> often they live inside the air conditioning ducts and stuff
2017-02-04T06:19:15 < emeb_mac> that's just crazytalk
2017-02-04T06:20:57 < Laurenceb_> happens in most large public buildings in UK
2017-02-04T06:21:05 < Laurenceb_> kind of like rat infestation
2017-02-04T06:21:29 < Laurenceb_> you can never 100% get rid of the weird people living _somewhere_ inside the building
2017-02-04T06:21:52 < emeb_mac> evacuate the staff and flood it with poison?
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2017-02-04T06:23:22 < Laurenceb_> lol
2017-02-04T06:24:35 < ohsix> did more loonix work for same dudes
2017-02-04T06:24:37 < Laurenceb_> the staff were like "were you just talking to 'stacey'??! dude check your wallet"
2017-02-04T06:24:58 < ohsix> it's weird, they know nothing and they're still in business somehow olol, they're installing stuff by hand for each computer
2017-02-04T06:25:15 < ohsix> i told them about usb3 cables so you could connect a few msata at once to clone them and the guy was surprised
2017-02-04T06:25:44 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-02-04T06:25:49 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: bait the next wallet with a long distance rfid thing
2017-02-04T06:25:50 < Laurenceb_> just remote login?
2017-02-04T06:25:52 < ohsix> or wifiz
2017-02-04T06:27:02 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: security threw her out but she had already hidden the money
2017-02-04T06:27:06 < ohsix> were you asking me? nah they have this 150$ embedded computer thing as part of a bigger thing i'm not going to talk about
2017-02-04T06:27:09 < ohsix> oic
2017-02-04T06:27:35 < Laurenceb_> but they thought she would be back inside _somehow_ within <5minutes
2017-02-04T06:28:00 < Laurenceb_> prob air vents or a window somewhere lol
2017-02-04T06:28:02 < ohsix> anyways those chinese embedded things have the integrator bios from intel and all the options are on in the bios, and the thermal shit has wrong defaults so it runs at sub 100mhz until you change it
2017-02-04T06:29:06 < Laurenceb_> apparently one of them was found once jammed inside a fume cupboard vent pipe
2017-02-04T06:29:12 < ohsix> it literally says Bay Trail when you boot it huhu
2017-02-04T06:29:38 < Laurenceb_> what industry?
2017-02-04T06:29:45 < ohsix> manufacturing
2017-02-04T06:30:06 < ohsix> they're actually using linuxcnc
2017-02-04T06:30:14 < ohsix> i gotta check that out sometime i guess
2017-02-04T06:30:26 < ohsix> dunno what they were using before on windows, mach4 or something probably
2017-02-04T06:30:27 < Laurenceb_> not using steppers via parallel port I hope?
2017-02-04T06:30:35 < ohsix> nope, some usb thing i haven't seen
2017-02-04T06:30:41 < ohsix> maybe even ethernet
2017-02-04T06:32:22 < ohsix> having to explain why something is fucked because i happened to know sucks
2017-02-04T06:32:45 < ohsix> cuz i'm constantly fighting 'they don't care' and searching for a useful way to say what is going on without an info dump
2017-02-04T06:33:35 < ohsix> settled on showing them how to remove the battery to get to a known-good state, he didn't know there were batteries in them :p
2017-02-04T06:35:08 < Laurenceb_> lul "CNC Group CHINA169 Jiangxi Province Network" is trying to hack one of my servers
2017-02-04T06:37:45 < Laurenceb_> not sure if that refers to CNC machining
2017-02-04T06:38:28 < ReadError> dongs: call ;p
2017-02-04T06:39:24 < ohsix> command and control probably
2017-02-04T06:39:38 < ohsix> there are a few netblocks out of china that are well known intelligence shiz
2017-02-04T06:40:02 < ohsix> not necessarily governmental but same junk
2017-02-04T06:40:45 < Laurenceb_> well they are never going to log in
2017-02-04T06:40:57 < ohsix> noice http://www.initio.com/html/3610-releasednews.html you can get these on boards all assembled for 4bux
2017-02-04T06:41:03 < Laurenceb_> doesnt stop them sending a packet few times a minute
2017-02-04T06:41:17 < Laurenceb_> need to speak to network admin to get them permabanned
2017-02-04T06:41:18 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: install one of the ssh honeypots and masq the port for interesting ips
2017-02-04T06:41:25 < Laurenceb_> heh nice plan
2017-02-04T06:41:45 < Laurenceb_> but this should really be a job for the network admin if he is at all competent
2017-02-04T06:41:59 < ohsix> might draw attention you don't want, since it is probably recon,  but if it is something else it might be interesting
2017-02-04T06:42:37 < ohsix> is it just doing admin / cups default password type logins?
2017-02-04T06:42:49 < ohsix> i haven't seen any using specific passwords, might be cute to log those
2017-02-04T06:43:24 < ohsix> i bet you could break the ssh scanners if you enabled bigger session parameters and stuff
2017-02-04T06:43:29 < ohsix> server and client would use more cpu
2017-02-04T06:43:54 < ohsix> if you wanted to keep legit access for yourself you could disable some cipher suites, get one of the handshakes to see which they support
2017-02-04T06:47:06 < ohsix> you can tarpit them too
2017-02-04T06:47:27 < ohsix> i think fail2ban can run a command, add a temporary rule to masq it to some shit to just hold the connection open
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2017-02-04T07:03:23 < Laurenceb_> yeah its just trying to brute force
2017-02-04T07:03:33 < Laurenceb_> I'll install fail2ban
2017-02-04T07:03:35  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2017-02-04T07:04:12 < jpa-> simplest to move ssh to some other port
2017-02-04T07:04:19 < jpa-> though fail2ban is a good idea also
2017-02-04T07:05:17 < ohsix> lul the cuk guy has a youtub https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEHAqH16f6rCeSkM8P943Iw
2017-02-04T07:05:37 < ohsix> jpa-: yea but if you're going to do anything you can at least f' with their scans a little
2017-02-04T07:07:17 < ohsix> https://github.com/tinti/xtables-addons/blob/master/extensions/xt_TARPIT.c wahey
2017-02-04T07:07:38 < ohsix> dunno how effective this is but at least you don't have to set up another thing to use it
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2017-02-04T07:08:41 < ohsix> something specific to ssh could keep them busy longer, but if you have a tarpit target you can send all sorts of shit there as needed
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2017-02-04T07:11:38 < dongs> cool. got DWC_CYCCNT working wiht keil sim
2017-02-04T07:11:56 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/pbsideachannel/status/349986496616464387
2017-02-04T07:13:57 < dongs> er, DWT_
2017-02-04T07:14:45 < emeb_mac> gah - can't get that working on F7
2017-02-04T07:15:12 < dongs> what, why?
2017-02-04T07:16:31 < emeb_mac> dunno why - just when I try to access those regs nothing happens
2017-02-04T07:16:59 < emeb_mac> docs say they should be there but I get no count
2017-02-04T07:17:00 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0489d/BABJFFGJ.html ARM says it should exist
2017-02-04T07:17:03 < dongs> yes
2017-02-04T07:17:21 < emeb_mac> suppose it might be some sort of memory protection crap
2017-02-04T07:17:21 < dongs> if you enable in CTRL, you dont get a counter on _CNT?
2017-02-04T07:17:25 < emeb_mac> but no faults
2017-02-04T07:18:00 < emeb_mac> just using same code I've always used on F3 & F4
2017-02-04T07:18:17 < dongs> right
2017-02-04T07:18:29 < emeb_mac> based on zyps crap
2017-02-04T07:19:10 < ohsix> can we call it VGINA please
2017-02-04T07:19:17 < ohsix> my virgin eyes
2017-02-04T07:19:20 < dongs> is DEMCR stuff in same plae?
2017-02-04T07:19:21 < dongs> place
2017-02-04T07:19:53 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0489d/BABJHEIG.html
2017-02-04T07:19:53 < emeb_mac> Dunno - I'm using the #defines in the F7 CMSIS headers
2017-02-04T07:19:58 < dongs> mmm
2017-02-04T07:21:29 < dongs> apparently cmsis5.0 acutall has DWT registers defined
2017-02-04T07:21:32 < dongs> so oyu no longer hae to hack it.
2017-02-04T07:22:05 < dongs>     CoreDebug->DEMCR |= CoreDebug_DEMCR_TRCENA_Msk;
2017-02-04T07:22:06 < dongs>     DWT->CYCCNT = 0;
2017-02-04T07:22:06 < dongs>     DWT->CTRL |= DWT_CTRL_CYCCNTENA_Msk;
2017-02-04T07:22:07 < dongs> so this should work.
2017-02-04T07:22:11 < dongs> (works for me0
2017-02-04T07:22:25 < dongs> if you dont hae cmsis5 in your shit, just download it and overwrite the include\ dir. no code changes needed
2017-02-04T07:22:41 < dongs> maybe whatever cmsis youre using has it wrong offsets for M7
2017-02-04T07:23:06 < emeb_mac> well, they were defined right for F4 & F3. Suppose it could be borked for F7
2017-02-04T07:23:15 < emeb_mac> will try some more tomorrow...
2017-02-04T07:26:05 < ohsix> upgrdman: http://i.imgur.com/q8ZncGG.jpg
2017-02-04T07:27:05 < ohsix> aint nothin to fuck with
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2017-02-04T07:37:46 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/WayneRoot/status/827731799673495555 lul
2017-02-04T07:40:57 < dongs> dono i use cmsis5 and works
2017-02-04T07:41:02 < dongs> dont have a f7dicko here to test tho
2017-02-04T07:50:08 < emeb_mac> ya - I'll give it a bit more work in the morning.
2017-02-04T07:50:26 < emeb_mac> spent most of the week farting around with Xilinx Zynq crap.
2017-02-04T07:50:43 < emeb_mac> lost cause - BGA only, stupid pricing.
2017-02-04T07:51:04 < emeb_mac> devtools are a mile deep & full of weirdness
2017-02-04T07:51:26 < dongs> lul
2017-02-04T07:51:30 < dongs> you coulda just asked me
2017-02-04T07:51:33 < dongs> zynq is some lunix wank
2017-02-04T07:51:46 < emeb_mac> there are some things you have to learn for yourself
2017-02-04T07:51:54 < emeb_mac> and Zynq is not linux-only
2017-02-04T07:52:02 < emeb_mac> the devtools work fine for bare-metal
2017-02-04T07:52:04 < aandrew> I'e used zynq
2017-02-04T07:52:13 < dongs> ive tossed zynq in the trash
2017-02-04T07:52:21 < dongs> does that count as using
2017-02-04T07:52:23 < aandrew> by far prefer altera's SoC
2017-02-04T07:52:37 < emeb_mac> I've used Altera SoC too
2017-02-04T07:52:51 < emeb_mac> I don't see a whole lot of difference between them actually
2017-02-04T07:53:09 < emeb_mac> just that the packages & pricing isn't good for my targers
2017-02-04T07:53:12 < emeb_mac> targets
2017-02-04T07:53:14 < dongs> they both have shit tools
2017-02-04T07:53:14 < aandrew> perhpas it's just the tools I prefer
2017-02-04T07:53:50 < emeb_mac> Fuckin' $70/ea for those parts unless you negotiate some qty pricing with the factory
2017-02-04T07:53:57 < dongs> zynq?
2017-02-04T07:54:03 < ohsix> it's like poop, playing with other peoples is weird
2017-02-04T07:54:07 < dongs> well, it IS a processor with some fpga fabric
2017-02-04T07:54:09 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-02-04T07:54:11 < dongs> someone's gotta make some $ somewhere.
2017-02-04T07:54:31 < dongs> you dont see people complaining about $20k/ea FPGA ripoff shits on digikey
2017-02-04T07:54:49 < dongs> i wonder if they keep those in a safe
2017-02-04T07:54:58 < dongs> it is literally worth more than gold/gram
2017-02-04T07:55:13 < emeb_mac> but you know the pricing is bogus
2017-02-04T07:55:24 < dongs> *someone* buys them
2017-02-04T07:55:30 < dongs> or they wouldn stock it
2017-02-04T07:55:42 < emeb_mac> goddam Snickerdoodle crowdfund was selling zynq boards for $65/ea
2017-02-04T07:55:58 < emeb_mac> less than the bare part price @ DK
2017-02-04T07:56:06 < emeb_mac> so it's all crap
2017-02-04T07:57:05 < aandrew> I'm pretty sure snickerdoodle got a good price because of all the advertising
2017-02-04T07:57:13 < aandrew> not to mentiont hey're not buying onesie-twosie prices
2017-02-04T07:57:23 < ohsix> jokes
2017-02-04T07:57:46 < emeb_mac> but that's just the whole problem - if you're high profile / high volume then the parts suddenly become OK
2017-02-04T07:57:53 < emeb_mac> but not if you want to do a few.
2017-02-04T07:57:58 < emeb_mac> totally stupid
2017-02-04T07:58:15 < emeb_mac> I can deal with qty discounts on the order of 10-20%
2017-02-04T07:58:42 < emeb_mac> but 70-80% isn't helping
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2017-02-04T08:06:13 < ohsix> lul someone has tied 'ethics' to bannon security council shit
2017-02-04T08:06:15 < ohsix> too soon
2017-02-04T08:08:10 < dongs> ugh
2017-02-04T08:08:12 < dongs> stupid fucking cmsis
2017-02-04T08:08:13 < dongs> #include "system_stm32f30x.h"    /* STM32F30x System Header */
2017-02-04T08:08:14 < dongs> #include <stdint.h>
2017-02-04T08:08:19 < dongs> guess what??
2017-02-04T08:08:25 < dongs> sustem_stm32.h alread uses uint32_ etc
2017-02-04T08:08:40 < dongs> this is in the 800k stm32fxxx.h
2017-02-04T08:08:55 < dongs> too much reliance on garbage compilers
2017-02-04T08:09:47 < aandrew> FPGAs were never meant for onesie twosie
2017-02-04T08:10:38 < emeb_mac> perhaps
2017-02-04T08:10:55 < emeb_mac> but the small qty cost of low end FPGAs is pretty reasonable
2017-02-04T08:11:17 < emeb_mac> I can get a Spartan 6 LX9 in a 144-pin TQFP for $16 qty 1
2017-02-04T08:12:05 < dongs> then use that
2017-02-04T08:12:12 < dongs> zynq is over kill
2017-02-04T08:12:23 < emeb_mac> I do
2017-02-04T08:12:50 < emeb_mac> but gotta keep an eye out for "the next big thing"
2017-02-04T08:13:08 < emeb_mac> but ARM+FPGA SoC is not that
2017-02-04T08:13:20 < emeb_mac> at least not for < 10k qty
2017-02-04T08:16:20 < upgrdman> mach xo2's are like $5 qty 1
2017-02-04T08:16:29 < upgrdman> maybe $6
2017-02-04T08:16:33 < aandrew> yeah I don't mind the xo2
2017-02-04T08:16:59 < emeb_mac> Lattice ice40 Ultra are $6 qty1
2017-02-04T08:17:11 < upgrdman> is ice40 better than xo2?
2017-02-04T08:17:14 < emeb_mac> with 4 MAC cores
2017-02-04T08:17:48 < emeb_mac> I did a 40MSPS decimating downconverter in one & used only about 40%
2017-02-04T08:18:13 < aandrew> *nods* the fpga guy here showed me his sqrt implementation
2017-02-04T08:18:26 < aandrew> does a 40 bit sqrt in about 20 cycles with zero dsp 
2017-02-04T08:18:56 < emeb_mac> yep - basic sqrt core can compute 2 bits / iteration
2017-02-04T08:19:06 < emeb_mac> btdt
2017-02-04T08:19:16 < aandrew> yep
2017-02-04T08:22:10 < dongs> got a 120k dongs.c for STM32 building under VS2015
2017-02-04T08:22:28 < dongs> even managed to cleanly include stm32xxx.h and faked cmsis core
2017-02-04T08:22:45 < dongs> now i just gotta write ~20 undefined driver entry points and I should be able to run it in a simulator
2017-02-04T08:23:38 < emeb_mac> *why*?
2017-02-04T08:23:55 < dongs> emeb_mac: so i can test the logic (which there's about 100k of) without bulky hardware
2017-02-04T08:24:08 < emeb_mac> nice
2017-02-04T08:24:32 < dongs> the actual hardware interfacing is quite easy, its mostly exti and timers
2017-02-04T08:24:50 < dongs> but what the code does is a fucking mess, and if im gonna refactor it, im gonna make sure shit works 100%
2017-02-04T08:25:10 < emeb_mac> easier to do in VS no doubt
2017-02-04T08:25:13 < dongs> yep
2017-02-04T08:25:28 < upgrdman> dongs, and you were raging about me testing java shits. lol.
2017-02-04T08:25:46 < dongs> upgrdman: your shit is senseless tho
2017-02-04T08:25:49 < dongs> youre testing if 2==2
2017-02-04T08:25:58 < dongs> making a 100k faggot.java to verify its true
2017-02-04T08:26:05 < dongs> but my shit actually has a purpose :P
2017-02-04T08:26:17 < upgrdman> lol, no. more like testing algorithms.
2017-02-04T08:26:39 < dongs> this code has about 500 global vars
2017-02-04T08:26:49 < upgrdman> such pro. very wow.
2017-02-04T08:26:49 < dongs> a bunch of nested state machines
2017-02-04T08:27:01 < dongs> using global vars awesomely named such as "Step"
2017-02-04T08:27:07 < dongs> a complete clusterfuck
2017-02-04T08:27:07 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-04T08:27:19 < upgrdman> this some packilancer stuff?
2017-02-04T08:27:24 < dongs> naw workstuff
2017-02-04T08:27:27 < upgrdman> ah
2017-02-04T08:27:32 < dongs> cmon i wouldnt pakilancer this shit
2017-02-04T08:31:28 < dongs> intersting vs is showing git-managed files as 'checked in' or 'modified' etc
2017-02-04T08:31:37 < dongs> does it natively understand git? haha
2017-02-04T08:33:24 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-04T08:33:31 < dongs> where do you access it?
2017-02-04T08:33:34 < upgrdman> well prolly. even eclipse can do that.
2017-02-04T08:33:45 < dongs> wow WTF
2017-02-04T08:33:46 < upgrdman> iirc vs has some menu for version control
2017-02-04T08:33:47 < dongs> you can even view history
2017-02-04T08:33:51 < dongs> and it shows my git log for that file
2017-02-04T08:33:54 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-04T08:34:11 < upgrdman> that's been around since at least vs2013 iirc. prolly older too
2017-02-04T08:34:28 < dongs> nice. i never bothered cuz i thought that shit would only work with visual sores safe
2017-02-04T08:35:17 < upgrdman> yesterday i found an old cd-r with visual studio 6 + crack
2017-02-04T08:35:23 < upgrdman> serial number all 1's. lol.
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2017-02-04T08:38:20 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/monosynth/status/824805561199767553
2017-02-04T08:38:30 < ohsix> sup upgrdman 
2017-02-04T08:38:35 < ohsix> did you like wutang flan
2017-02-04T08:38:40 < upgrdman> seent it
2017-02-04T08:38:46 < upgrdman> you were an hour late
2017-02-04T08:39:04 < upgrdman> hows working in a walk-in fridge going?
2017-02-04T08:40:30 < dongs> upgrdman: 112-11111
2017-02-04T08:40:33 < dongs> or something
2017-02-04T08:40:37 < dongs> thats a legit serial
2017-02-04T08:40:58 < dongs> upgrdman: autisming
2017-02-04T08:40:59 < dongs> >
2017-02-04T08:41:00 < dongs> ?
2017-02-04T08:41:00 < upgrdman> is it really? lol
2017-02-04T08:41:04 < dongs> ya
2017-02-04T08:41:05 < upgrdman> dongs, ya. bro6.
2017-02-04T08:41:28 < ohsix> upgrdman: god
2017-02-04T08:41:31 < ohsix> ood
2017-02-04T08:41:35 < dongs> SQLserver7 and shit they all had that same serial
2017-02-04T08:42:07 < ohsix> there's a lot of little fishing and making business connectionshits i was involved in this week and the last
2017-02-04T08:42:17 < ohsix> people needing a little work done or to talk about loonix or random shit
2017-02-04T08:42:42 < ohsix> except they give me money
2017-02-04T08:42:46 < ohsix> heheh
2017-02-04T08:45:08 < dongs> lol
2017-02-04T08:45:12 < dongs> i have to #undef CRC
2017-02-04T08:45:15 < dongs> before including windows.h
2017-02-04T08:45:24 < dongs> or else STM32 CRC peripheral fucks it
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2017-02-04T08:57:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: i didn't get jizzy gel
2017-02-04T08:57:21 < upgrdman> ohsix, bummer.
2017-02-04T08:57:27 < upgrdman> better live them -1 star review
2017-02-04T08:57:51 < ohsix> heheh nah
2017-02-04T08:58:08 < ohsix> probably lost, you got yours' ages ago
2017-02-04T08:58:32 < ohsix> did you get a real tracking number with yours? i got a number but it looks like junk
2017-02-04T09:06:21 < dongs> every post office in this area has 1-star review on google
2017-02-04T09:24:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, same as you. got a number that doesnt track anywhere. not even on chinapost, even tho it was shipped via chinapost
2017-02-04T09:24:29 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-04T09:24:35 < ohsix> i should start caring about that lul
2017-02-04T09:26:02 < dongs> nice, and its running under VS emulation
2017-02-04T09:26:10 < dongs> i even have a 10ms timer thread going
2017-02-04T09:26:15 < dongs> and seems to work
2017-02-04T09:26:23 < dongs> hm i need to do systick also
2017-02-04T09:50:23 < psprint_> Where to find information on alternate pins configuration? In F7 (F767), I'm searching if DCMI and LTDC can be configured to use non-conflicting pins
2017-02-04T09:50:52 < dongs> psprint_: open datasheet, search for 'AF1'
2017-02-04T09:50:57 < dongs> near the end will be a hueg table.
2017-02-04T09:51:16 < dongs> to do what you want tho.. best to jsut use cube
2017-02-04T09:53:59 < psprint_> dongs: yeah and Cube reports conflict. I asked on community forums and they sent me to search for alternate pins. I then discovered that in Cube it is possible to click on the CPU's pins to see alternate functions. And no configuration that doesn't conflict appeared to be available
2017-02-04T09:54:55 < dongs> pretty sure dcmi is only on fixed pins. so is ltdc.
2017-02-04T09:55:00 < dongs> you probably wanna move to a larger pacakge.
2017-02-04T09:55:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> Wait, what's the LTDC?
2017-02-04T09:55:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> DCMI has SOME variation in pins
2017-02-04T09:55:12 < dongs> display controller shit.
2017-02-04T09:55:17 < dongs> does it?
2017-02-04T09:55:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> Not a whole lot
2017-02-04T09:55:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, a bit
2017-02-04T09:56:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> If I recall right, the Discovery board has SDRAM on the pins that it could use, so I had to change a bit
2017-02-04T09:57:00 < psprint_> dongs: it's 144 pins package, seems to be a biggest one
2017-02-04T09:57:07 < dongs> i think theres 208 also
2017-02-04T09:57:14 < dongs> maybe that was onl 4xx something
2017-02-04T09:58:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> I am talking about the F4, of course. Slowly cathing up to the scrollback
2017-02-04T10:00:06 < psprint_> so it's seems that typical usage Camera -> LCD isn't possible, which is weird considering the LCD-equipped Discovery boards, which I wouldn't expect to trash DCMI by definition, so maybe there is a better package after all
2017-02-04T10:00:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> Well, how often do you really need to update the image.
2017-02-04T10:00:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> But yes.
2017-02-04T10:00:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> The real fun is DCMI, FMC, LCD
2017-02-04T10:02:05 < psprint_> Jak_o_Shadows: agree, that's what makes STM32 fun, not all but those indeed yes
2017-02-04T10:03:46 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/IntheNow_tweet/status/826565736474697728
2017-02-04T10:08:38 < dongs> haha
2017-02-04T10:09:05 < dongs> R2COM: today i retargeted one of my current stm32 projects to compile/run under vs2015
2017-02-04T10:09:12 < dongs> so i can debug algorithm/etc and simulate some inputs
2017-02-04T10:09:33 < dongs> what the fuck how utterly useless
2017-02-04T10:09:35 < dongs> i see my desktop
2017-02-04T10:09:37 < dongs> for about 5 seconds
2017-02-04T10:09:39 < dongs> after boot
2017-02-04T10:09:40 < dongs> and neveragain
2017-02-04T10:10:49 < dongs> i can test/refactor hte logic without hooking up hardware, yeah
2017-02-04T10:12:29 < dongs> what do you mean
2017-02-04T10:12:32 < dongs> i wrote the stuff
2017-02-04T10:12:57 < dongs> basically i ahve 120k main.c whcih is stm32 code, so I made a vs project that builds it as console .exe
2017-02-04T10:13:23 < dongs> and impemented drivers/etc like gpio/timer/systick/exti/blah
2017-02-04T10:13:37 < ohsix> http://nextshark.com/white-woman-assaulted-korean-grandma-l-caught-video-yelling-racial-slur/ leeloo spotted
2017-02-04T10:13:57 < dongs> im currently working on drivers.c that simulates inputs with some logic/code and maybe add a dialog gui or something later
2017-02-04T10:14:18 < dongs> workproj
2017-02-04T10:14:24 < dongs> refactoring + improving shitcode
2017-02-04T10:15:00 < dongs> hardware is big, i dont want it all over and under my desk wehn im testing
2017-02-04T10:15:11 < dongs> plus I'd rather be able to simulate various inputs as needed
2017-02-04T10:15:23 < dongs> it has
2017-02-04T10:15:25 < dongs> i looked at it
2017-02-04T10:15:29 < dongs> it was way too hard to fuck around wiht
2017-02-04T10:15:42 < dongs> so i decided to just retarget to vs, easier
2017-02-04T10:20:06 < psprint_> yeap, collision between LTDC and DCMI is not possible to resolve, and indeed there are larger packages like 176, 208 where P{H,I} ports are available that apparently would resolve conflict, so my F767 isn't fattest one after all
2017-02-04T10:21:20 < dongs> thats whaht I thought
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2017-02-04T10:41:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, having driver modules like that would be handy
2017-02-04T10:44:51 < psprint_> What's cool is that I have Arduino protoshield. I can solder 2x8 pin header into it. Do all wire connection garbage there. And then connect this shield to ST-Zio connector subset, and there's no conflict with DCMI. This is to connect Adafruit RGB led matrix: http://imgur.com/a/w2mtI
2017-02-04T10:45:02 < psprint_> and use ribbon cable
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2017-02-04T10:57:07 < zhivko> Hello guys! I am wondering about this PB2 - in CubeMX marked as RESET_STATE - should I tie this to GND? is it wrong to left it float ?
2017-02-04T10:57:46 < zhivko> my part is STM32F303CBT6TR
2017-02-04T11:02:15 < dongs> what is o PB2? boot1? or wat
2017-02-04T11:04:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, Boot1
2017-02-04T11:04:30 < dongs> ignore it
2017-02-04T11:04:31 < zhivko> it seems to be connected to clock setup at start
2017-02-04T11:04:36 < dongs> wut
2017-02-04T11:05:20 < dongs> also: http://i.imgur.com/Z90NaCp.gif
2017-02-04T11:05:31 < zhivko> in cubemx it is marked as reset_State
2017-02-04T11:05:46 < dongs> I've used F303CB and I am using PB2 for GPIO.
2017-02-04T11:05:48 < dongs> it. works. fine.
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2017-02-04T11:06:47 < zhivko> I am checking this: http://tomeko.net/miniscope_v2c/miniscope_v2c_20120416.pdf they connected pb2 to GND
2017-02-04T11:07:02 < zhivko> dongs: what is this ?
2017-02-04T11:07:11 < zhivko> gif you posted
2017-02-04T11:07:24 < zhivko> is it simulator ?
2017-02-04T11:07:25 < Jak_o_Shadows> dongs, how have you handled like, the need to be able to interact with the UI, and run the cpu at the same time. Like, I get that the sim is event-driven, so does it just set the bits, and it generates inputs and all as normal?
2017-02-04T11:07:33 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: its not sim
2017-02-04T11:07:37 < dongs> code is just natively built on x86
2017-02-04T11:07:46 < zhivko> is this quemu ?
2017-02-04T11:07:48 < dongs> no
2017-02-04T11:08:06 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: i just use _beginthread() and shit for events and stuff.
2017-02-04T11:08:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> uuum. Not quite what I meant, but I made a meal of explaining myself, 
2017-02-04T11:08:09 < dongs> (normal windows junk)
2017-02-04T11:08:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> ah
2017-02-04T11:08:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> yes.
2017-02-04T11:08:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> ok, cool.
2017-02-04T11:09:01 < dongs> so for example thre's an ADC that samples a device , so i will ahve a thread which simulates that device acvitiy and analog output curve/etc, which my getChannel() thing will read and pass on to firmware.
2017-02-04T11:09:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> ah, ok. Sounds handy
2017-02-04T11:10:09 < dongs> plus this will let me test with extreme/impossible values
2017-02-04T11:10:16 < dongs> and make sure code handles it correctly
2017-02-04T11:10:35 < Jak_o_Shadows> Is it all going to be manual? Or is your thingo going to be able to take a canned set of inputs, and run that through?
2017-02-04T11:10:58 < dongs> ill write some simple simulation stuff that knows current inputs/outputs and will act like the attached devices
2017-02-04T11:11:43 < dongs> like turn on relay X , it will affect exti inputs for Y and Z, and start changing ADC at some rate etc.
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2017-02-04T11:23:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> nice
2017-02-04T11:26:23 < psprint> Fun story – I disassembled disco-rotating sphere lamp, and found there a motor, that's connected to bare 220 V, and it works
2017-02-04T11:27:03 < upgrdman> how is that a fun story
2017-02-04T11:27:21 < dongs> fun story would be you getting electrocuted by it
2017-02-04T11:27:25 < dongs> and not living to tell the story
2017-02-04T11:27:37 < dongs> amirite??
2017-02-04T11:27:41 < upgrdman> rite
2017-02-04T11:27:44 < psprint> I risked touching the metal chasis and no elecrocution :)
2017-02-04T11:28:02 < dongs> you just got lucky
2017-02-04T11:28:03 < dongs> try again later.
2017-02-04T11:28:06 < dongs> ^_^
2017-02-04T11:28:15 < psprint> for me it's fun to see so small thing without huge transformer, which would 90% of manufactuers do
2017-02-04T11:37:14 < Gerritjan_> Can sombody help me with this part im trying to use the usb as a USART but some options like VCP and CDC but i cant figure out what is better
2017-02-04T11:40:21 < PaulFertser> Gerritjan_: CDC ACM if you do not need hardware flow control lines
2017-02-04T11:41:07 < Gerritjan_> Well im trying to control a lot of Servo`s (i need to figure out if that is in Background possible)
2017-02-04T11:41:42 < PaulFertser> Gerritjan_: some people prefer HID as that makes it easy for windows users.
2017-02-04T11:42:10 < Gerritjan_> PaulFertser: im trying to send a command from the RPI usb to the STM32F446RE to do some stuff
2017-02-04T11:42:54 < PaulFertser> Gerritjan_: my advice still applies :)
2017-02-04T11:43:04 < Gerritjan_> :) oke 
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2017-02-04T11:44:44 < Gerritjan_> im trying to figure it out because im new here and did had some little experience with RPI but that is different so :s same as i know that the usb is connected to the USART (if im right pn2 and 3) and its possible to use it but it has also the Debugger on it that makes it crazy to think it can be used :S
2017-02-04T11:46:47 < PaulFertser> Gerritjan_: eh, USB connected to USART? What USB are you talking about? What board that is?
2017-02-04T11:47:06 < Gerritjan_> Nucleo STM32F446RE
2017-02-04T11:47:48 < PaulFertser> Gerritjan_: so what makes you think USB is anyhow related to USART there?
2017-02-04T11:49:05 < Gerritjan_> is it not?
2017-02-04T11:53:00 < psprint> Why don't you people buy F7 like me ;P With enough big package (not 144 like me) to have both DCMI and LTDC available
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2017-02-04T11:55:19 < Gerritjan_> PaulFertser: so i cant use it to control the board with the usb?
2017-02-04T11:56:17 < dongs> you can if you write the firmware
2017-02-04T11:58:20 < zhivko> I am also interested for stm32f3 - can I use usb to send bytes from stm32 firmware and read it on windows as serial port - is this possible ?
2017-02-04T11:58:34 < dongs> duh???
2017-02-04T11:59:19 < zhivko> sorry - I wanterd to say can I make firmware so it qould write to usb - and I would then connect usb to windows maxhine and read it as serial port ?
2017-02-04T12:00:09 < Gerritjan_> what im reading the whole time is that you need to set it up as a VCP
2017-02-04T12:00:35 < Gerritjan_> nah 
2017-02-04T12:00:56 < Gerritjan_> to low with the PWM pins
2017-02-04T12:01:24 < Gerritjan_> and im dooing this to learn somthing
2017-02-04T12:01:25 < PaulFertser> Gerritjan_: have you considered using mbed? ;)
2017-02-04T12:01:37 < dongs> how about ARDUINO STAR OTTO
2017-02-04T12:01:39 < Gerritjan_> i did register there 
2017-02-04T12:01:39 < dongs> that's STM32
2017-02-04T12:02:09 < dongs> it wil be funny to see how star otto shit ends up working
2017-02-04T12:02:19 < dongs> it would be like arduino wire -> hal -> ??? -> registers
2017-02-04T12:02:31 < dongs> maybe by the time they're done, it will take 100+ cycles to digitalWrite()
2017-02-04T12:02:35 < dongs> just liek on avr
2017-02-04T12:02:36 < Gerritjan_> PaulFertser: https://developer.mbed.org/handbook/SerialPC :D
2017-02-04T12:03:58 < PaulFertser> dongs: really, do current arduino libs take many cycles to switch a GPIO? I thought they're using C++ and with LTO pretty much all overhead should get eliminated.
2017-02-04T12:04:09 < PaulFertser> Gerritjan_: yes, that's for you!
2017-02-04T12:04:39 < dongs> PaulFertser: https://www.peterbeard.co/blog/post/why-is-arduino-digitalwrite-so-slow/
2017-02-04T12:04:41 < Gerritjan_> Thx PaulFertser
2017-02-04T12:04:49 < dongs> PaulFertser: check disassembly on the bottom
2017-02-04T12:04:59 < dongs> What Does digitalWrite Do? < this
2017-02-04T12:06:23 < PaulFertser> dongs: whoa. But he doesn't specify all compiler and linker options, toolchain version etc.
2017-02-04T12:06:48 < dongs> PaulFertser: 'arduino ide'
2017-02-04T12:07:00 < dongs> thats the output of it.
2017-02-04T12:07:03 < dongs> it comes wiht its own avr-gcc etc.
2017-02-04T12:07:07 < dongs> its not the compiler problem
2017-02-04T12:07:12 < ohsix> PaulFertser: get directio
2017-02-04T12:07:15 < dongs> the actual tarduino wiring.cpp or whatever is garbage
2017-02-04T12:07:20 < ohsix> it sucks but it works
2017-02-04T12:07:34 < ohsix> PaulFertser: https://github.com/mmarchetti/DirectIO
2017-02-04T12:08:06 < ohsix> it's still not as fast as it could be,  but it is pretty close with minimal fuckery
2017-02-04T12:08:06 < PaulFertser> dongs: probably they do not enable LTO...
2017-02-04T12:08:46 < PaulFertser> Heh, it's amazing how stupid than wiring is...
2017-02-04T12:08:46 < dongs> i'm almost certain they do not but that wouldnt affect much
2017-02-04T12:09:03 < ohsix> i can tell you why digitalwrite is slow too, olol https://github.com/arduino/Arduino/blob/master/hardware/arduino/avr/cores/arduino/wiring_digital.c#L138
2017-02-04T12:09:17 < ohsix> wiring is real dumb, dumb like a fox
2017-02-04T12:09:19 < ohsix> on purpose too
2017-02-04T12:10:25 < PaulFertser> ohsix: I wonder if a modern compiler is really not able to optimise all that compile-time with LTO and inline the result. I have a feeling that should work...
2017-02-04T12:10:28 < ohsix> hm portOutputRegister is less than i thought
2017-02-04T12:10:38 < psprint> stupid question.. STM32 operates at 3.3V? Digital I/O can be 3.3V up?
2017-02-04T12:10:44 < ohsix> PaulFertser: well, it still has a ton of instructions to check pwm and shit
2017-02-04T12:11:03 < dongs> 3.3v down
2017-02-04T12:11:03 < PaulFertser> ohsix: but those should turn into compile-time checks and eliminated with lto.
2017-02-04T12:11:04 < ohsix> remember that all the memory mapped io is through volatile variables
2017-02-04T12:11:10 < ohsix> nope
2017-02-04T12:11:27 < ohsix> buuuuuuuuut
2017-02-04T12:11:33 < PaulFertser> ohsix: pin is const, so digitalPinToTimer should return const etc.
2017-02-04T12:11:36 < ohsix> it's easy to objdump one of the elfs
2017-02-04T12:12:13 < ohsix> sec i think i have one
2017-02-04T12:12:45 < PaulFertser> ohsix: without LTO it can't be optimised of course. I'm talking about building the whole thing, all those wiring libraries with LTO enabled and -Os used.
2017-02-04T12:13:04 < PaulFertser> And modern compiler too, of course.
2017-02-04T12:13:38 < dongs> yeah, spoiler, avr-gcc is using ancient gcc codebase
2017-02-04T12:17:05 < ohsix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23924350/
2017-02-04T12:17:16 < ohsix> lets look shall we olol
2017-02-04T12:18:53 < ohsix> get to the choppas
2017-02-04T12:18:58 < dongs> let's not arduino instead
2017-02-04T12:19:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> the nucelo boards do have a usb-serial bridge
2017-02-04T12:19:50 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's not part of the actual main cpu - it's the debugging and programming stuff
2017-02-04T12:19:56 < Jak_o_Shadows> Same as arduino, and some of the discovery boards
2017-02-04T12:20:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> Interanlly, it's connected to one f the usarts typically
2017-02-04T12:21:32 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: you mean stlink v2.1? Yes, they do.
2017-02-04T12:21:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah. That.
2017-02-04T12:21:57 < ohsix> 124 instructions to set the pin status
2017-02-04T12:22:10 < ohsix> that's why it is slow, and lto isn't going to do shit about most of those
2017-02-04T12:23:17 < ohsix> heheh neat, 'elcc' is alive again as ellcc, and it uses llvm and supports all targets from one build
2017-02-04T12:23:26 < ohsix> http://ellcc.org/blog/?page_id=313
2017-02-04T12:24:01 < dongs> they dont hav a usb-serial bridge, they have usb vcp code running on stlink mcu
2017-02-04T12:24:04 < ohsix> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/309/460/8d65c4576042e58c834aa36d1098ceb6_original.gif?w=680&fit=max&v=1485547278&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=522ae970ffe2413c075680bda8b93876
2017-02-04T12:24:44 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/line-us/line-us-the-little-robot-drawing-arm this kickstarter gets to cheat the math a bit by accepting hand drawings olol
2017-02-04T12:25:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> dongs, practically, does it make a difference
2017-02-04T12:26:33 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: who were you talking to about serial converters?
2017-02-04T12:26:56 < ohsix> oh i see nm; was busy when Gerritjan_ joined and started chatting
2017-02-04T12:27:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> Gerritjan ? Maybe? I just read the scrollbac
2017-02-04T12:27:06 < dongs> if stlink code is bugfree, i suppose not
2017-02-04T12:27:10 < ohsix> ya ty
2017-02-04T12:27:30 < dongs> no idea how well it can handle say full speed debugging, swo, and uart at same time
2017-02-04T12:27:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm. Random question. What would cause flashing, via openocd over a st-link, to be slow? What factors?
2017-02-04T12:27:41 < Gerritjan_> Jak_o_Shadows: oke
2017-02-04T12:28:15 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: large image? :p you can set the link speed for swd
2017-02-04T12:28:23 < dongs> stm32 flash write speed
2017-02-04T12:28:25 < ohsix> i doubt it is unusually low or anything, tho
2017-02-04T12:28:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> Gerritjan, just buy a usb-serial adaptor. Couple of dollars.
2017-02-04T12:29:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> The elf is only 8mb. I'm just using the openocd templates, so I have no idea about what link speed it is
2017-02-04T12:29:24 < ohsix> openocd says when it connects to it
2017-02-04T12:29:47 < ohsix> sorry i don't have one handy to say what a typical value is
2017-02-04T12:30:11 < Gerritjan_> Why it is on it Jak_o_Shadows
2017-02-04T12:30:50 < Jak_o_Shadows> what could cause link speed to slow down? Computer USB side things, or wiring, or?
2017-02-04T12:31:01 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: how slow is slow?
2017-02-04T12:31:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> Gerritjan, you could setup a control interface and a debug interface? Dunno, they're handy things
2017-02-04T12:31:06 < Gerritjan_> and second thing Jak_o_Shadows is that i gone connect the RPI to the board
2017-02-04T12:31:14 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: find what adapter_khz is set to
2017-02-04T12:31:41 < Gerritjan_> Jak_o_Shadows: i have a nucleo STM32F446RE and they have a Debugger on it with a mini usb
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2017-02-04T12:32:29 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: openocd prints flashing speed
2017-02-04T12:33:29 < Gerritjan_> Jak_o_Shadows: http://www.carminenoviello.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/stm32-nucleo-usart-pinout-1024x460.jpg this is the layout
2017-02-04T12:34:27 < PaulFertser> Gerritjan_: want to use the stlink virtual port, just use it, it's connected to target's uart, what's the problem?
2017-02-04T12:34:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yes Gerritjan_, then you're good
2017-02-04T12:34:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> PaulFertser, I'll look at it next time!
2017-02-04T12:35:13 < ohsix> /usr/share/openocd/scripts/target/stm32f3x.cfg:	adapter_khz 1000
2017-02-04T12:35:13 < ohsix> /usr/share/openocd/scripts/target/stm32f3x.cfg:	adapter_khz 8000
2017-02-04T12:35:15 < ohsix> heheh
2017-02-04T12:39:01 < PaulFertser> ohsix: so far with his example non-lto gives 1978 while -flto gives 1156 but I have a feeling it can be improved.
2017-02-04T12:39:27 < Steffanx> but does it still work PaulFertser? :D
2017-02-04T12:40:23 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no idea :)
2017-02-04T12:40:58 < ohsix> PaulFertser: compare instruction length tho
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2017-02-04T12:41:09 < ohsix> lto will reduce the size, but that isn't the question
2017-02-04T12:46:49 < PaulFertser> Hm, I see why it fails to optimise. It actually uses some pre-flashed region that contains tables to convert between virtual pin numbers and real ports etc. Heh.
2017-02-04T12:47:13 < ohsix> yep
2017-02-04T12:47:39 < ohsix> but even if it didn't, all that checking of volatile variables is going to be pretty pessimistic
2017-02-04T12:48:07 < PaulFertser> I do not see it doing checking of volatile variables.
2017-02-04T12:48:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/GmAYSmY.gifv ouch
2017-02-04T12:48:38 < ohsix> what do you think the port numbers are
2017-02-04T12:50:12 < ohsix> k i see what you mean
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2017-02-04T12:50:25 < ohsix> there isn't really much opportunity to do that, and they already make a copy of sreg for that
2017-02-04T12:50:41 < ohsix> better sleep, adios
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2017-02-04T12:55:13 < ohsix> o lul forgot to mention funny thing that happened
2017-02-04T12:55:45 < ohsix> i got identified by third/fourth degree randos for being in the paper or something, and it got back to someoen who works in the building
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2017-02-04T12:56:18 < ohsix> they lol'd, as soon as she mentioned a guy with a big beard they put 2+2 together
2017-02-04T12:56:26 < ohsix> aight now sleep adios
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2017-02-04T13:05:34 < Steffanx>  \o
2017-02-04T13:07:11 < ReadError> yes hello
2017-02-04T13:07:34 < ReadError> Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch
2017-02-04T13:07:34 < ReadError> I'll make his whole brand go under (Yeah)
2017-02-04T13:07:41 < ReadError> eminiem takin shots
2017-02-04T13:08:07 < ReadError> kfucku2
2017-02-04T13:09:18 < Steffanx> Wtf are you rambling about ReadError?
2017-02-04T13:10:53 < ReadError> new em song 
2017-02-04T13:10:59 < ReadError> hes kinda lost it tho
2017-02-04T13:11:33 < Tectu> em <3
2017-02-04T13:13:17 < sync_> crt: gonna watch the cars go round the mountain tonight?
2017-02-04T13:17:39 < sync_> yes, bathurst 12h is on today
2017-02-04T13:24:51 < PaulFertser> dongs, ohsix: http://paste.debian.net/912750/ heh, it doesn't suck too bad apparently
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2017-02-04T13:45:31 < PaulFertser> dongs: even better this way (with PA0): http://paste.debian.net/912751/
2017-02-04T13:46:09 < PaulFertser> Pretty clean, eh?
2017-02-04T13:50:41 < PaulFertser> and btw 1212 in not-lto , 464 with lto.
2017-02-04T13:57:56 < Steffanx> With lto arduinoers will run into all kinds of weird bugs, probably the reason why they wont enable it :P
2017-02-04T13:58:17 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: the disassembly looks sane though
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2017-02-04T14:01:17 < Steffanx> Sure it does, but now write code as the average arduino user would do ;).
2017-02-04T14:01:55 < Steffanx> The float calculation just directly as function parameter etc. 
2017-02-04T14:02:22 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I've took the original code verbatim, only changed the pin number. And added const to his global consts.
2017-02-04T14:02:35 < PaulFertser> taken
2017-02-04T14:08:09 < Steffanx> specing: \o/ Here he is. The ONE you were looking for.
2017-02-04T14:08:16 < Steffanx> Last night.
2017-02-04T14:08:52 < specing> the one?
2017-02-04T14:08:56 < specing> who
2017-02-04T14:09:05 < Steffanx> The one.
2017-02-04T14:09:56 < specing> d o n g s?
2017-02-04T14:10:09 < Steffanx> ;)
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2017-02-04T14:34:15 < zhivko> If I wanted to power my board from usb should I connect USB vcc to 3.3V regulator input? is there some advantage? I mean could I then run firmware and at least test println to usb ?
2017-02-04T14:35:54 < zhivko> oh shit crazy guys on quad... where do you get those videos ?
2017-02-04T14:49:09 < Steffanx> Don ask. dont ask.
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2017-02-04T14:53:57 < ReadError> rule #1 of the urk chats
2017-02-04T15:06:24 < jpa-> zhivko: yeah, connecting usb 5V (with a cap) to 3.3V reg should work
2017-02-04T15:07:16 < zhivko> jpa: yes - but catch is I have another 24V there... So I was guessing when board is 24V powered how will that conlict with 5V from usb
2017-02-04T15:07:42 < jpa-> depends totally on your schematic
2017-02-04T15:08:00  * Tectu jabs jpa- 
2017-02-04T15:08:01 < zhivko> I wull post... just a sec...
2017-02-04T15:08:05 < zhivko> I will post... just a sec...
2017-02-04T15:10:25 < zhivko> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xsjz9h3obw46b4c/Schematic.pdf?dl=0
2017-02-04T15:10:40 < zhivko> So this is 2 motor driver with stm32f3
2017-02-04T15:11:14 < zhivko> I need usb to output data while tweaking PID's for this 2 motors
2017-02-04T15:13:08 < zhivko> I would like to have board powered from 24V that are used for mototrs - but than when I connect USB i dont want this 5V from board make problem with usb from computer...
2017-02-04T15:13:19 < zhivko> hope you understand - this is pcb I have now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c75zrd1o15u25z3/shema7.bmp?dl=0
2017-02-04T15:18:14 < zyp> zhivko, that's why I told you to just throw in some diodes
2017-02-04T15:18:21 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/j6lhi.png <- like D1 here
2017-02-04T15:19:04 < zhivko> zyp: yes this talk was yesterday sorry sonds like ignore it - but I was ircing on phone in my car :(  bad habbit
2017-02-04T15:19:09 < zhivko> what kind of diode is it ?
2017-02-04T15:19:18  * jpa- pokes Tectu 
2017-02-04T15:19:19 < zyp> a BAT5x something
2017-02-04T15:19:29 < zhivko> this is schotky ?
2017-02-04T15:19:47 < zyp> yes
2017-02-04T15:19:51 < jpa-> Tectu: how is business going?
2017-02-04T15:20:07 < Steffanx> *busyness
2017-02-04T15:20:22 < zyp> zhivko, oh, wait, I'm wrong
2017-02-04T15:20:47 < zyp> it's a PMEG2005ET
2017-02-04T15:21:19 < zyp> D2 is a BAT54, so I got confused by that
2017-02-04T15:21:47 < zyp> hmm, wonder why I chose differently
2017-02-04T15:22:25 < zhivko> zyp: thank you - so its schotky... I will use this PMEG2005ET then thankyou...
2017-02-04T15:23:04 < zyp> ah, BAT54 has less forward current, but also less reverse leakage
2017-02-04T15:24:08 < zyp> that makes sense, D2 needs to have little reverse leakage so it doesn't discharge the supercap
2017-02-04T15:24:29 < zhivko> supercap? what supercap ?
2017-02-04T15:24:46 < zyp> I have a supercap on vbat, to keep RTC running when power is off
2017-02-04T15:24:58 < zyp> it's not shown in that picture
2017-02-04T15:25:29 < zhivko> Ah... OK ... so if I use computer USB - it means I can put some cheaper diode hear ?
2017-02-04T15:25:34 < zhivko> Ah... OK ... so if I use computer USB - it means I can put some cheaper diode here ?
2017-02-04T15:26:01 < zyp> you won't have a D2 in your schematic.
2017-02-04T15:26:13 < zyp> the point was D1
2017-02-04T15:27:38 < zhivko> yes D1 I know - ok PMEG2005ET it is then.. I gues no cheaper alternative
2017-02-04T15:28:02 < Tectu> jpa-, very well
2017-02-04T15:29:12 < jpa-> Tectu: are you rich yet?
2017-02-04T15:29:34 < Tectu> jpa-, no, far from it. I do it for the pleasure & entertainment. Only starting to make real money now.
2017-02-04T15:31:13 < zhivko> zyp: thank you VERY much!
2017-02-04T15:31:16 < zyp> zhivko, should be plenty of cheap alternatives
2017-02-04T15:31:24 < zyp> is this one not cheap?
2017-02-04T15:31:32 < zyp> pretty sure I picked it becaue it's cheap
2017-02-04T15:31:49 < zhivko> thx bro
2017-02-04T15:32:06 < zyp> hmm, maybe not
2017-02-04T15:32:17 < zyp> I paid $0.6/ea last I bought
2017-02-04T15:45:32 < zhivko> it is 0.45€at farnell
2017-02-04T15:47:24 < Steffanx> How is your business going jpa-?
2017-02-04T15:47:28 < zhivko> sorry it is 5+ € 0,039 € farnell
2017-02-04T15:47:41 < Steffanx> Still no updates on your blog jpa- :(
2017-02-04T15:49:23 < Tectu> mr. autism
2017-02-04T15:51:09 < Steffanx> Laurenceb aint here atm Tectu
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2017-02-04T16:57:22 < psprint> am I the only biased electronics guy whose thoughts wander that I should receive gifts to perform better for sake of common good
2017-02-04T16:58:45 < Tectu> narcissist much?
2017-02-04T16:59:23 < psprint> apparently, catched myself on this when read someone else saying about what he would like to have
2017-02-04T17:00:29 < psprint> has anyone seen stm32 protoshields
2017-02-04T17:01:19 < psprint> or, completely different thing – anything for ST morpho connector
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2017-02-04T17:14:54 < jpa-> Steffanx: i'm on parental leave still, will start business on 1.4.
2017-02-04T17:15:29 < Steffanx> How much "parental leave" does a male get in finland?
2017-02-04T17:20:05 < BrainDamage> will the baby call Steffanx uncle or daddy?
2017-02-04T17:26:50 < Steffanx> I dont want to be called any of that.
2017-02-04T17:26:58 < Steffanx> not ever.
2017-02-04T17:30:05 < englishman> opa steffan
2017-02-04T17:30:57 < englishman> good morning chatters
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2017-02-04T17:31:43 < Steffanx> Be nice or i will remind you of Arrow englishman.
2017-02-04T17:32:10 < englishman> :'( 
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2017-02-04T17:32:33 < englishman> But, they are looking into it. And may decide to give me store credit.
2017-02-04T17:33:26 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/Hppq4bp.jpg
2017-02-04T17:33:39 < Laurenceb_> dude why so much rage, how much did you spend?
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2017-02-04T17:36:18 < englishman> few k
2017-02-04T17:40:26 < Laurenceb_> ouch ok
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2017-02-04T17:49:15 < psprint> Who on earth whould be able to point differences between NUCLEO-F746ZG and NUCLEO-767ZI. The price is the same, did I make a mistake ordering *ZI model
2017-02-04T17:53:21 < zyp> psprint, judging by UM1974 the board is the same, it's just the chip that's different
2017-02-04T17:53:39 < psprint> zyp: different package, but still 144 pins?
2017-02-04T17:54:00 < psprint> I'm reading the same UM
2017-02-04T17:54:00 < zyp> same package, but those are two different chips
2017-02-04T17:54:48 < zyp> F767ZI is more capable than F746ZG
2017-02-04T17:55:13 < zyp> more flash, more ram and a few extra periphs
2017-02-04T17:55:14 < psprint> hah mine has 512kB sram, the other one 340 kb
2017-02-04T17:55:18 < psprint> cool
2017-02-04T17:55:32 < zyp> oh, and a double precision FPU
2017-02-04T17:55:46 < zyp> 746 only has single
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2017-02-04T18:07:08 < englishman> zyp, you've done 0.8mm bga by hand right
2017-02-04T18:07:23 < zyp> no, 1mm
2017-02-04T18:07:27 < englishman> ah
2017-02-04T18:07:50 < zyp> 0.8mm is probably a bit harder, but it's still not super dense
2017-02-04T18:07:58 < englishman> how much of a pain is it to route out those 8x8mm stm32s with 5/5 and 12mil vias
2017-02-04T18:08:05 < englishman> On 4L
2017-02-04T18:08:10 < zyp> 12mil dia?
2017-02-04T18:08:22 < englishman> 12/20 or 12/18
2017-02-04T18:08:51 < zyp> which part are you talking about in particular, so I can look up footprint specs?
2017-02-04T18:11:06 < englishman> stm32f745vg
2017-02-04T18:11:22 < zyp> looking
2017-02-04T18:11:36 < zyp> the bga100 of that?
2017-02-04T18:12:01 < englishman> yes 8x8mm 0.8mm bga100
2017-02-04T18:13:46 < zyp> hmm, routing it all out on 4L should be no problem at least, could probably even do a full breakout in 2L if you don't care about planes and shit :p
2017-02-04T18:13:52 < zyp> but let's see what specs you'd need
2017-02-04T18:15:38  * emeb lurks
2017-02-04T18:15:44 < zyp> hmm, 0.8mm with 0.4mm dia pads, that's respectively 31.5mil and 15.7 mil
2017-02-04T18:16:03 < zyp> so 5/5 traces will fit nicely between the pads
2017-02-04T18:16:09 < Laurenceb_> holy shit "stacey" is in walmart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY95Y7mNnbg
2017-02-04T18:16:30 < emeb> 5/5 would work on oshpark 4L process
2017-02-04T18:16:35 < Laurenceb_> pls tell me background music is added
2017-02-04T18:17:38 < zyp> 44.5mil pitch diagonal, that leaves 28.7 mil or so diagonal for the via and spacing, 2x5mil spacing leaves 18mil for the via
2017-02-04T18:18:09 < zyp> although
2017-02-04T18:18:14 < englishman> cool, so 5/5 and 12/18
2017-02-04T18:18:24 < zyp> that doesn't leave enough space to route between the vias
2017-02-04T18:19:08 < zyp> that's also subject to the 31.5mil max
2017-02-04T18:19:13 < zyp> so 16mil vias would fit
2017-02-04T18:19:25 < englishman> that implies 10mil drill
2017-02-04T18:19:35 < jpa-> Steffanx: it can be divided between mom/dad quite freely, but i took 3 weeks last year and 2 months now (out of a total of ~10 months shared)
2017-02-04T18:19:39 < englishman> 2mil annular is quite small
2017-02-04T18:20:02 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-04T18:20:03 < englishman> which i dont get charged for as long as i dont use too many
2017-02-04T18:20:24 < zyp> well, you'd need 36 or so
2017-02-04T18:20:33 < zyp> for the inner 6x6 pads
2017-02-04T18:20:42 < zyp> assuming they're all in use
2017-02-04T18:21:22 < englishman> yeah will have to tape it out a bit more
2017-02-04T18:21:26 < englishman> seems feasible?
2017-02-04T18:21:28 < englishman> without xray
2017-02-04T18:22:12 < zyp> idk, I don't have experience with actual production, I'm just doing the math on physical dimensions vs specs :p
2017-02-04T18:22:51 < englishman> its either that or qfp100
2017-02-04T18:22:56 < englishman> which is easy.
2017-02-04T18:23:03 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-04T18:23:43 < englishman> ok will look into it more, thanks
2017-02-04T18:23:50 < zyp> and also quite a bit larger than 8x8mm
2017-02-04T18:24:20 < zyp> but the question is how much area you'd spend around the part to sort out the signals if you did bga
2017-02-04T18:24:50 < zyp> for qfp you'd have a lot of room to handle that underneath the chip
2017-02-04T18:25:43 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/BKkr8.png <- I wonder how this layout would have looked with a bga instead
2017-02-04T18:27:05 < emeb> considering how little routing from the MCU there is it probably would have been pretty easy
2017-02-04T18:27:15 < zyp> how little? :)
2017-02-04T18:27:27 < zyp> I'm using almost every pin except GPIOE
2017-02-04T18:28:16 < emeb> looks like most of the pins across the top are NC
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2017-02-04T18:28:44 < zyp> let's see, there's 22 unused pins, all of GPIOE and another six GPIOs
2017-02-04T18:29:02 < zyp> so 78 pins in use
2017-02-04T18:29:29 < zyp> I originally considered qfp64, but I ran out of pins :p
2017-02-04T18:29:49 < emeb> what is it?
2017-02-04T18:30:13 < zyp> controller board of my EV chargepoint thing
2017-02-04T18:31:44 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/CjtC8.png <- it stacks on top of this board, which got an AC/DC power supply, isolated power measurement circuit and a couple of relays
2017-02-04T18:32:16 < zyp> and then there will be a top board above these again with an oled and some buttons for the front panel
2017-02-04T18:32:23 < emeb> Nice
2017-02-04T18:33:20 < emeb> How do those SMD connectors with the staggered pins work out?
2017-02-04T18:33:30 < zyp> FPC connectors
2017-02-04T18:33:39 < zyp> FFC*
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2017-02-04T18:35:51 < zyp> I considered using some sort of board to board connectors, like male/female headers, but it seemed to be a bit annoying to mess around with getting the distance exactly right
2017-02-04T18:36:45 < emeb> yeah - closest I've come on that is the 0.1" thru-hole with long pins - stackable w/ female on top, male on bottom.
2017-02-04T18:36:59 < emeb> not very dense, hard to control.
2017-02-04T18:37:07 < zyp> exactly
2017-02-04T18:37:44 < zyp> top board will be mounted in top part of enclosure before top and bottom parts are snapped together, so I planned to use FFC for that anyway
2017-02-04T18:38:00 < emeb> seen a lot of SOMs that use those FFCs or similar
2017-02-04T18:38:02 < zyp> and then I concluded I might as well just use FFC between top and bottom too
2017-02-04T18:38:17 < emeb> like gumstix, etc.
2017-02-04T18:38:27 < emeb> microzed...
2017-02-04T18:38:42 < zyp> that allows me to put the connector for the bottom board on the top side of the middle board and just run the cable through a slot, saves me from having to do double sided smt
2017-02-04T18:39:07 < zyp> which is expensive to combine with those pth screw connectors
2017-02-04T18:39:21 < emeb> yeah
2017-02-04T18:39:33 < zyp> if there's no smt on the bottom, the pth can just be done on a plain wave soldering process
2017-02-04T18:40:05 < emeb> instead of crazy selective solder
2017-02-04T18:40:14 < zyp> AFAIK dongs' pals doesn't have selective wave
2017-02-04T18:40:33 < zyp> and I'm not interesting in searching for somebody that does :p
2017-02-04T18:40:38 < zyp> interested*
2017-02-04T18:40:40 < emeb> did a board for a client a while back that had to be selective solder
2017-02-04T18:41:02 < emeb> their CM said that they had the equipment but they were not well versed in its use
2017-02-04T18:41:18 < emeb> so it ended up with a lot of problems.
2017-02-04T18:41:33 < emeb> ditched that CM eventually
2017-02-04T18:42:30 < zyp> haha
2017-02-04T18:43:50 < emeb> funny thing is the CM that client is using now does pth stuff by hand.
2017-02-04T18:44:37 < emeb> I've got some of the final product - they do great work too.
2017-02-04T18:46:18 < zyp> well, depending on how much pth there is on a board, that might be cheaper than selective wave
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2017-02-04T19:22:33 < Laurenceb_> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread938739/pg1
2017-02-04T19:24:47 < Steffanx> Tldr;
2017-02-04T19:31:47 < Laurenceb_>  How fucking DARE you have a different opinion than me? You are LITERALLY the bottom of the barrel SCUM for thinking differently than I do. Do you not realize that I, as a human bean, is oppressed in todays society? You disgust me. But for the low price of $19,95 a month I will CONSIDER giving you my approval. 
2017-02-04T19:34:05 < Steffanx> iirc dongs said something like that a while ago.
2017-02-04T19:34:21 < Laurenceb_> damn evn muh copypasta is stale
2017-02-04T19:50:36 < Laurenceb_> FreeCAD?
2017-02-04T19:51:43 < Laurenceb_> ah no
2017-02-04T19:51:48 < Laurenceb_> only mechanical
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2017-02-04T19:52:01 < Laurenceb_> Elmer can do thermal and airflow stuff
2017-02-04T19:52:09 < Laurenceb_> but its a very steep learning curve
2017-02-04T19:52:22 < Laurenceb_> I got as far as running a sim but my mesh was unstable
2017-02-04T19:52:59 < Laurenceb_> I don't have the pro skillz to fix it
2017-02-04T19:55:25 < Laurenceb_> LED lighting
2017-02-04T19:56:05 < Laurenceb_> for some work project
2017-02-04T19:56:13 < Laurenceb_> we ended up making physical models instead
2017-02-04T19:57:09 < BrainDamage> autismir mentioned openfoam I think
2017-02-04T19:58:04 < Laurenceb_> yeah, but dunno if that can do thermal/CFD multiphysics
2017-02-04T19:58:06 < BrainDamage> elmer doesn't have a difficulty curve, it's a step function with a discontinuity
2017-02-04T19:58:18 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-02-04T19:58:41 < Laurenceb_> I thought it all looked very simple from the GUI
2017-02-04T19:59:02 < Laurenceb_> then I realised that is because you have to know exactly what is going on and do all the heavy lifting yourself
2017-02-04T19:59:28 < Laurenceb_> its very limited as far as functionality goes
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2017-02-04T20:22:27 < Tectu>  /brexit
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2017-02-04T20:22:47 < englishman> chexit
2017-02-04T20:24:22 < Steffanx> wasneverinit
2017-02-04T20:28:57 < englishman> morning steffan
2017-02-04T20:30:01 < Steffanx> Lo mr englishman
2017-02-04T20:30:38 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9GTYsNBiaE
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2017-02-04T20:49:40 < ggeasy007> guys I am developing on Eclipse based IDE using GCC and stm32cube HAL for  STM32F072. In my code I have GPIO Initialization routine. When I debug my code, during "GPIO_InitTypeDef"  structure initialization, instead of debugging line by line sequentially program counter moves  back and forth. When I look at the assembly code, it shows that certain calls are executed more than once. Why is that? Is it GCC code generation issue?
2017-02-04T20:56:47 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-02-04T20:56:55 < Steffanx> your dong?
2017-02-04T20:57:33 < dongs> PaulFertser: is taht with a real compiler?
2017-02-04T20:57:42 < dongs> or using whatever garbage came wiht arduino IDE
2017-02-04T20:58:13 < dongs> oh, avr-g++
2017-02-04T20:58:33 < ggeasy007> arm-none-eabi-gcc
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2017-02-04T20:59:19 < Steffanx> ggeasy007, optimization messing with code order?
2017-02-04T20:59:29 < dongs> i had no idea you can even build tarduino shit on command line like that
2017-02-04T20:59:55 < ggeasy007> I am using Optimization of Size -Os
2017-02-04T21:00:06 < dongs> oh hm, he made some changes to arduino.h
2017-02-04T21:00:14 < ggeasy007> I am not using arduino
2017-02-04T21:00:23 < dongs> ggeasy007: im talking to someone else.
2017-02-04T21:00:29 < ggeasy007> Oh sorry 
2017-02-04T21:00:38 < dongs> < ggeasy007> guys I am developing on Eclipse based IDE using GCC and stm32cube HAL for  STM32F072. 
2017-02-04T21:00:54 < dongs> ggeasy007: stop. http://www2.keil.com/stmicroelectronics-stm32/mdk
2017-02-04T21:01:10 < dongs> free and works.
2017-02-04T21:01:42 < dongs> bonus: cube generates mdk projects directly
2017-02-04T21:03:02 < ggeasy007> dongs: thanks for the link. Actually I am right now using CubeMX as well and I am generating project for SW4STM32 opensource IDE
2017-02-04T21:03:06 < zyp> ggeasy007, code doesn't execute line by line
2017-02-04T21:03:23 < dongs> he could be using python
2017-02-04T21:04:11 < dongs> what the fuck dell. plug in headphones, get a fucking popup "waht did you just plug in"
2017-02-04T21:04:15 < dongs> jack sense, how do I 
2017-02-04T21:04:23 < dongs> i dont remember getting this shit on anything in the last 10+ years
2017-02-04T21:05:10 < dongs> so zyp yeah, i stopped trying to fuck around wiht keil emulation layer as it was too annoying.
2017-02-04T21:05:19 < dongs> just built all my shit in vs natively
2017-02-04T21:05:21 < Steffanx> lol that sounds like dell indeed
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2017-02-04T21:05:44 < englishman> dell laptops still suck? no surprise there
2017-02-04T21:05:48 < dongs> and GUI with WINAPI, not python!!!111
2017-02-04T21:05:58 < Steffanx> not only laptops do that englishman
2017-02-04T21:06:01 < zyp> ggeasy007, it's easy to imagine that the source code ABC compiles to assembly instructions aaabbbccc, but in the real world it might as well end up something like baccabbac
2017-02-04T21:06:02 < englishman> does it still have a horrible proprietary "intelligent" charger that requires motherboard replacment when the connector gets loose
2017-02-04T21:06:12 < dongs> englishman: i think so
2017-02-04T21:06:15 < englishman> nice
2017-02-04T21:06:19 < dongs> it knows that its a 130W charger or whatever
2017-02-04T21:06:26 < englishman> should have bought a mac bro
2017-02-04T21:06:32 < englishman> thunderdongs and dp on EVERY usb port
2017-02-04T21:06:34 < dongs> htere's some chats over the pins
2017-02-04T21:06:35 < zyp> ggeasy007, and when your compiler looks at each instruction and points to the source line it came from, the code pointer might jump back and forth when you step through it
2017-02-04T21:07:10 < dongs> with Os?
2017-02-04T21:07:18 < dongs> you're lucky to get any legit line numbers at all
2017-02-04T21:07:39 < zyp> sure, -Os is just -O2 without size-increasing optimizations
2017-02-04T21:08:00 < PaulFertser> dongs: well, I made really minimal modifications and you see how it allowed tarduino digitalWrite to get almost on par with direct register manipulation (sans cli/sei)
2017-02-04T21:08:04 < zyp> ggeasy007, you might want to try -Og, which tries to avoid reordering instructions
2017-02-04T21:08:14 < ggeasy007> zyp: yes this is what happening, so I was just wandering why GCC is generating code this way. 
2017-02-04T21:08:25 < dongs> PaulFertser: right, the question is, why the fuck this hasnt been done in the last ~5 years?!
2017-02-04T21:08:26 < zyp> ggeasy007, it's generated that way because it's faster
2017-02-04T21:08:35 < zyp> ggeasy007, I mean, it will run faster
2017-02-04T21:08:40 < ggeasy007> zyp: To avoid pipeline stall perhaps?
2017-02-04T21:08:45 < zyp> exactly
2017-02-04T21:09:05 < PaulFertser> dongs: I guess bitbanging something is just not important, you have timers and other peripherals on atmega to do shit.
2017-02-04T21:09:14 < dongs> please.
2017-02-04T21:09:23 < dongs> youre overestimating typical arduino user.
2017-02-04T21:10:14 < PaulFertser> ggeasy007: I'm almost always compiling with the optimisation level I intend to use in the final version right from the start of the project. step-by-step gets a bit weird but not too much really, and it helps to spot bugs earlier.
2017-02-04T21:10:24 < zyp> ggeasy007, in my opinion, stepping through source lines is largely a waste of time, stepping through the assembly is much more sensible
2017-02-04T21:10:37 < ggeasy007> zyp: With -Og it is working normal. Wow.. Thanks man. Learned something today :D
2017-02-04T21:10:43 < zyp> ggeasy007, but if you insist on stepping through the source, -Og will help
2017-02-04T21:11:09 < zyp> I'm with PaulFertser, developing using the final optimization level will avoid gotchas in the future
2017-02-04T21:11:19 < PaulFertser> dongs: another reason why I had to modify tarduino.h is that apparently they store plenty of code on target to reflash faster.
2017-02-04T21:11:44 < dongs> huh? do they? what do you mean?
2017-02-04T21:11:53 < dongs> they send entire hex over, no?
2017-02-04T21:12:18 < PaulFertser> Not sure but why else would they use that _PGM shit to map virtual pin numbers to hardware?
2017-02-04T21:12:35 < dongs> no, _PGM just tells it its a const and belongs in flash vs ram
2017-02-04T21:12:43 < dongs> no idea where that shit came from probably avr arch specific
2017-02-04T21:12:52 < PaulFertser> Yes, but why do that runtime at all?
2017-02-04T21:12:59 < PaulFertser> Yes, that's avr-libc specific
2017-02-04T21:13:12 < Steffanx> AVR needs specials instructions to read from flash right?
2017-02-04T21:13:16 < dongs> no it is literally just a compiler(?) or whatever directive that it goes to flash.
2017-02-04T21:13:16 < PaulFertser> Yep
2017-02-04T21:13:19 < dongs> nothing more than that
2017-02-04T21:13:23 < dongs> yea what Steffanx said
2017-02-04T21:13:41 < PaulFertser> attribute assigning that variable to the specific section, right.
2017-02-04T21:14:39 < PaulFertser> dongs: my point was that modern compilers are relatively decent even when faced with shit like that wiring lib.
2017-02-04T21:15:01 < Steffanx> Don't blame wiring for a try to be fool proof.
2017-02-04T21:15:33 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: then what's the point of runtime discovery of DDR/PORT/PIN registers for "virtual pin numbers"?
2017-02-04T21:15:45 < PaulFertser> They got C++ compiler dammit.
2017-02-04T21:16:20 < PaulFertser> dongs: another point was that LTO makes a real difference in cases like that. 
2017-02-04T21:16:21 < Steffanx> Yeah ok, you got a point there.
2017-02-04T21:17:20 < dongs> PaulFertser: anyway have yo ucreated a pull request to fix it and been denied with ~reasons~
2017-02-04T21:17:57 < dongs> "sorry we must support 10 years old compiler on someone's SGI running java 1.0 and arduino ide 1.1 and we won't merge this"
2017-02-04T21:18:26 < PaulFertser> dongs: I won't even try, as I'm pretty certain those folks are hopeless.
2017-02-04T21:18:40 < Steffanx> is the stuff even "open source"?
2017-02-04T21:19:02 < PaulFertser> Or, in other words, their whole priority space doesn't intersect with mine.
2017-02-04T21:20:38 < dongs> heh
2017-02-04T21:20:41 < dongs> Steffanx: sure, there's a shithub
2017-02-04T21:20:46 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: looks like LGPLv2 and GPLv2 for some parts.
2017-02-04T21:20:48 < dongs> but i've seen sensible patches rot there for years
2017-02-04T21:20:51 < dongs> because reasons
2017-02-04T21:21:44 < PaulFertser> dongs: what do you think of nRF SDK btw?
2017-02-04T21:22:32 < dongs> eh... 
2017-02-04T21:22:47 < dongs> ive touched it briefly when doing the bluetooth dildo
2017-02-04T21:22:56 < dongs> but i only did basic system bringup and not the BT part, someone else handled that
2017-02-04T21:23:02 < dongs> so no opinion
2017-02-04T21:23:28 < Steffanx> i still have to play around with that. Still have some nrf51822s on by desk. Cheap on ebay.
2017-02-04T21:23:48 < Steffanx> wonderful closes source soft device -_-
2017-02-04T21:23:55 < dongs> HEH
2017-02-04T21:24:36 < aandrew> dongs: opinion on cleanflight codebase
2017-02-04T21:24:50 < aandrew> heh I'm working on a nrf58122 projet atm
2017-02-04T21:24:53 < aandrew> nothign fancy
2017-02-04T21:24:54 < dongs> aandrew: srs question? try asking in #java maybe
2017-02-04T21:25:02 < dongs> or in #fuckoff, more appropriate
2017-02-04T21:25:02 < aandrew> hm?
2017-02-04T21:25:27 < dongs> thats my opinion
2017-02-04T21:25:36 < dongs> see if you can find a variable name shorter than 20 chars in it
2017-02-04T21:25:42 < aandrew> you more of an ardupilot fan? 
2017-02-04T21:25:57 < PaulFertser> I've touched nrf51 briefly and I had an impression that it's a typical vendors over-lame-engineered library. But somehow it all made sense to a degree.
2017-02-04T21:26:02 < aandrew> yeah they're all camelCased I can see
2017-02-04T21:26:13 < aandrew> PaulFertser: yeah it works reasonably well
2017-02-04T21:26:38 < aandrew> I don't mind the softradio libs, their hardware drivers suck though
2017-02-04T21:26:59 < PaulFertser> aandrew: are you comparing baseflight vs cleanflight? :)
2017-02-04T21:27:08 < aandrew> heh no
2017-02-04T21:27:15 < englishman> aandrew: what do you wanna do with cloneflight
2017-02-04T21:27:22 < aandrew> someone asked me about cleanflight, but I don't have much experience with it
2017-02-04T21:27:23 < englishman> lol ardupilot, deader than dead
2017-02-04T21:27:38 < dongs> tardupilot died with 3ddongbotics
2017-02-04T21:27:54 < aandrew> englishman: controlling a standard quadcopter, adding camera waypointing type shit
2017-02-04T21:28:04 < englishman> buy dji phantom 4
2017-02-04T21:28:10 < englishman> no joke
2017-02-04T21:28:16 < englishman> waypointing = nobody has working shit
2017-02-04T21:28:18 < dongs> aandrew: main "developer" hasn't kept a single job for more than a year in the last ~15 years and is a cunt. that's all you need to know about it
2017-02-04T21:28:20 < englishman> ***especially*** shitflight
2017-02-04T21:28:21 < ReadError> phantom4 = EOL
2017-02-04T21:28:23 < aandrew> they were also looking at navio2 but to me that's dead already because all the flight critical stuff runs on linux
2017-02-04T21:28:26 < ReadError> already
2017-02-04T21:28:42 < aandrew> dongs: hm
2017-02-04T21:28:49 < dongs> also, most of hardware code was stolen from me
2017-02-04T21:28:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.okcupid.com/profile/DaydreamSociety/
2017-02-04T21:28:54 < aandrew> dongs: srs?
2017-02-04T21:28:56 < aandrew> damn dude
2017-02-04T21:29:18 < englishman> "most"
2017-02-04T21:29:29 < englishman> here aandrew go help him out https://www.patreon.com/cleanflight
2017-02-04T21:29:32 < dongs> haha
2017-02-04T21:29:38 < aandrew> dongs: what's your codebase
2017-02-04T21:29:48 < aandrew> I knew you did drone shits but never paid much attention to it
2017-02-04T21:29:51 < dongs> aandrew: baseflight, havent touched it for like 2 years tho
2017-02-04T21:30:01 < dongs> because shit works
2017-02-04T21:30:34 < aandrew> I understand your reaction to my question now
2017-02-04T21:30:47 < aandrew> didn't know they forked your code and fucked you with it
2017-02-04T21:30:56 < dongs> damn wtf vs2015 and their dialog editor is still retarded
2017-02-04T21:31:05 < dongs> its like straight out of visual studio 5.0
2017-02-04T21:31:07 < dongs> no changes
2017-02-04T21:32:09 < dongs> aandrew: yeah he tried to javify my shit so i bant him from the project and he started his own shit. no big deal, their code no longer compiles with a real compiler and every platform that isnt F103 is a hack
2017-02-04T21:32:53 < dongs> o fuck, found toggle grid button
2017-02-04T21:33:39 < aandrew> lol what are you doing in studio
2017-02-04T21:34:25 < dongs> aandrew: building stm32 code natively so i can debug without hueg hardware attached
2017-02-04T21:34:36 < dongs> making a emulator gui for the stuf
2017-02-04T21:34:47 < aandrew> what's the emulator software that it attaches to?
2017-02-04T21:35:03 < dongs> none, it builds x86 code
2017-02-04T21:35:05 < aandrew> I'm looking at qemu (serious) for testing various arm platforms
2017-02-04T21:35:06 < aandrew> ah
2017-02-04T21:35:48 < dongs> i was gonna write AGSI or something keil emulation layer dll but that seemed like more work than its worth and even keil themselves dont want you to use it
2017-02-04T21:35:56 < aandrew> hah
2017-02-04T21:36:03 < aandrew> who was it here that had that java visualization lib
2017-02-04T21:36:06 < aandrew> er code
2017-02-04T21:36:11 < aandrew> made pretty realtime graphs of data
2017-02-04T21:36:11 < dongs> plus they had some weird limitations like only ~300 max registers that you could support per emulation
2017-02-04T21:36:16 < dongs> upgrdman: ^
2017-02-04T21:36:21 < aandrew> ah yes
2017-02-04T21:36:34 < aandrew> upgrdman: link to your pretty java realtime graphing stuff?
2017-02-04T21:37:05 < upgrdman> aandrew, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYyW16FYqE0
2017-02-04T21:37:30 < aandrew> yes that's it
2017-02-04T21:37:31 < aandrew> thanks
2017-02-04T21:38:24 < Laurenceb_> http://www.rebogallery.com/masshole-love.html NSFW
2017-02-04T21:39:12 < dongs> upgrdman: lol wow
2017-02-04T21:39:15 < dongs> 1 hour of blogging
2017-02-04T21:39:33 < upgrdman> dongs, i know... but the ad revenue is proportional to watch time
2017-02-04T21:39:40 < upgrdman> and some ardutards watch it all
2017-02-04T21:39:50 < aandrew> hm so multiwii -> baseflight -> cleanflight? was that the code path?
2017-02-04T21:39:57 < upgrdman> notice the click-baity title too
2017-02-04T21:40:05 < aandrew> upgrdman: you make any real money on youtube shits?
2017-02-04T21:40:29 < upgrdman> aandrew, about $70 per month right now. some peaks around $100 per month.
2017-02-04T21:40:32 < dongs> aandrew: only thing left from multiwii really was control loop
2017-02-04T21:40:42 < dongs> jesus fuck, i should start blogging
2017-02-04T21:40:47 < aandrew> *nods* I'm new to all this flight controls tuff
2017-02-04T21:40:51 < dongs> im currently getting like $1/month off jewtube
2017-02-04T21:41:00 < dongs> mostly from my naza unboxing video
2017-02-04T21:41:05 < upgrdman> dongs, ya. arduino and pi shit is like 98% of my ad revenue.
2017-02-04T21:41:11 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq90dWrFEiQ
2017-02-04T21:41:17 < upgrdman> dumb people love my cock holding
2017-02-04T21:41:46 < englishman> aandrew: multiwii -> harakiri -> baseflight -> cleanflight -> betaflight -> raceflight -> ??
2017-02-04T21:41:56 < dongs> harakkir what
2017-02-04T21:42:05 < dongs> i forgot what that was
2017-02-04T21:42:08 < dongs> wasnt that arduino shit?
2017-02-04T21:42:12 < englishman> that zip file in forum post guy
2017-02-04T21:42:31 < dongs> hm no i think that was baeflight wiht some retarded shit
2017-02-04T21:42:36 < dongs> i dont even remmeer anymore
2017-02-04T21:42:47 < dongs> like unnecessary floats ors omethign
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2017-02-04T21:51:00 < dongs> k time to figure out how to do external interrupts feed into my hardware sim
2017-02-04T21:51:02 < Lux> ya that was harakiri
2017-02-04T21:51:18 < Lux> some german dude with too much free time did it
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2017-02-04T22:11:19 < dongs> attn R2PRO https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Anything-Goes/Chip-Designer-Required/
2017-02-04T22:12:46 < kakimir> anything goes
2017-02-04T22:13:25 < kakimir> same pakis bid in every project
2017-02-04T22:13:42 < kakimir> 14nm chip design.. no problem
2017-02-04T22:14:02 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Design-Small-Circuit-Board/
2017-02-04T22:14:05 < dongs> haha.
2017-02-04T22:14:32 < dongs> im gonna guess pakilancer isnt gona let me bid like $3k for it
2017-02-04T22:14:42 < dongs> with their new rules
2017-02-04T22:15:03 < kakimir> ?
2017-02-04T22:15:53 < dongs> You must have at least 25 reviews or subscribe to a Plus or higher membership plan with at least 5 reviews to place a bid this high.
2017-02-04T22:15:56 < dongs> yep
2017-02-04T22:15:59 < dongs> oh well
2017-02-04T22:16:07 < dongs> juden.
2017-02-04T22:20:12 < englishman> hey kaks
2017-02-04T22:20:16 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9GTYsNBiaE
2017-02-04T22:20:21 < englishman> all you need to know about layup
2017-02-04T22:20:24 < englishman> by the foremost experts
2017-02-04T22:20:25 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/AUDIO-USB-multichannel-bridge-based/ ahaah
2017-02-04T22:20:34 < kakimir> burt rutan
2017-02-04T22:20:42 < englishman> and mike mellville
2017-02-04T22:20:49 < kakimir> a great designer
2017-02-04T22:21:34 < kakimir> is this basic level stuff or something more detailed?
2017-02-04T22:21:43 < englishman> yes
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2017-02-04T22:25:32 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/Need-help-with-PCB/ 
2017-02-04T22:25:33 < dongs> ahahah
2017-02-04T22:25:50 < dongs> > i got a pcb, just need some small changes
2017-02-04T22:25:53 < dongs> > like, redoing the whole pcb
2017-02-04T22:26:00 < dongs> > budget: $30
2017-02-04T22:26:16 < dongs> and a german pakilancer? wtf
2017-02-04T22:26:17 < dongs> fuck off
2017-02-04T22:28:32 < kakimir> have you done any pakilancing latelly dongs ?
2017-02-04T22:28:48 < dongs> naw, been busy with my own pakilancing
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2017-02-04T23:17:26 < kakimir> englishman: it's not HD
2017-02-04T23:24:47 < kakimir> did you watch this yourself?
2017-02-04T23:28:18 < englishman> of course
2017-02-04T23:28:21 < englishman> it is HD, for 1978
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2017-02-04T23:36:24 < kakimir> you build composites englishman ?
2017-02-04T23:36:33 < englishman> no, i have rutan do that for me
2017-02-04T23:38:31 < englishman> i saw his shit fly once http://i.imgur.com/EeP6IMA.jpg
2017-02-04T23:39:40 < kakimir> what was the name of it?
2017-02-04T23:39:51 < Steffanx> So many wind turbines.. where is this?
2017-02-04T23:40:01 < englishman> next to scaled composites hq
2017-02-04T23:40:06 < englishman> kakimir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_White_Knight_Two
2017-02-04T23:40:16 < kakimir> knight
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2017-02-04T23:40:46 < kakimir> mad amount of wind turbines
2017-02-04T23:40:54 < zhivko> Hi guys is anybody familiar with this error in cubemx: https://goo.gl/photos/V132jsguFr3WeScq9
2017-02-04T23:41:14 < zhivko> I tried automatic clock solver but without success...
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2017-02-04T23:42:20 < englishman> Steffanx: many turdbines http://i.imgur.com/eqrYjRZ.jpg
2017-02-04T23:42:49 < dongs> spotted dji in pi
2017-02-04T23:42:49 < dongs> c
2017-02-04T23:42:53 < kakimir> zhivko: usb requires 48mhz doesn't it?
2017-02-04T23:42:57 < englishman> lies
2017-02-04T23:43:34 < zhivko> ups .. don't know... ? So I could not have chip running on 72 and use usb ?
2017-02-04T23:43:58 < englishman> it does require HSE
2017-02-04T23:44:05 < englishman> on f3
2017-02-04T23:44:28 < englishman> you know you can mouseover and look at the tooltip right
2017-02-04T23:44:57 < englishman> the tooltip if you mouseover PLL Source Mux red box is "PLL Mux should have HSE as input"
2017-02-04T23:45:39 < englishman> please return to datasheet and reference manual and read them entirely
2017-02-04T23:46:22 < kakimir> or at least relevant parts
2017-02-04T23:47:24 < zhivko> ok
2017-02-04T23:47:50 < zhivko> solve it on pinout -> RCC -> HSE -> Crystal Ceramic Oscilator
2017-02-04T23:49:35 < dongs> PLL setup on F3 is like 
2017-02-04T23:49:37 < dongs> 3 lines of code
2017-02-04T23:49:42 < dongs> enable hse, prescsaler, done
2017-02-04T23:55:23 < englishman> dongs my pasting is brick-like
2017-02-04T23:55:26 < englishman> thanks for the help
2017-02-04T23:55:31 < dongs> pro'd up? nice.
2017-02-04T23:55:34 < englishman> yes
2017-02-04T23:55:44 < englishman> it really has to be 45 or 50 deg blade
2017-02-04T23:55:47 < dongs> yes
2017-02-04T23:56:05 < englishman> no more issues with sod-923
2017-02-04T23:56:08 < englishman> or clogging
2017-02-04T23:56:09 < englishman> also
2017-02-04T23:56:12 < englishman> flux remover = horrible
2017-02-04T23:56:14 < englishman> using IPA
2017-02-04T23:57:02 < englishman> flux remover was doing exactly that, remove the flux (and leaving the dry solder balls behind)
2017-02-04T23:57:11 < englishman> IPA dilutes the flux so the solder flows away
2017-02-04T23:57:24 < dongs> hm k
2017-02-04T23:59:44 < aandrew> ugh this one contract wants to use nxp k22
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2017-02-05T00:00:13 < dongs> when i have a pulse interrupt and I am ignoring any pulses shorter than 15ms, thats 66Hz highpass, right?
2017-02-05T00:00:32 < dongs> or lowpass
2017-02-05T00:00:38 < aandrew> kind of, yeah
2017-02-05T00:01:00 < dongs> o wait, longer = less hz
2017-02-05T00:01:02 < aandrew> I mean you can say it's a lowpass with a cutoff at 66Hz but it's not really a filter in the classical sense
2017-02-05T00:01:04 < dongs> so it is lowpass
2017-02-05T00:01:05 < aandrew> yes
2017-02-05T00:01:07 < aandrew> 1/
2017-02-05T00:01:10 < dongs> yea
2017-02-05T00:01:38 < dongs> drugs are bad
2017-02-05T00:02:58 < kakimir> englishman: I rather not get into that hand apply stuff
2017-02-05T00:03:17 < dongs> holy shit wolrfamalpha tells me RPM can be converted to Hz
2017-02-05T00:03:25 < kakimir> vacuum infusion englishman 
2017-02-05T00:03:33 < dongs> kakimir: need more SMA
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2017-02-05T00:05:15 < kakimir> I will place SMA up your ass dongs 
2017-02-05T00:05:22 < dongs> that should be easy
2017-02-05T00:08:22 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjG5PWVm160
2017-02-05T00:09:16 < dongs> better than a typical VICE documentary
2017-02-05T00:09:39 < kakimir> englishman: this video has some points thought generally
2017-02-05T00:21:26 < dongs> https://youtu.be/SjG5PWVm160?t=702 hey look pirated altidumb 14.2
2017-02-05T00:21:57 < dongs> looks like STM32, too
2017-02-05T00:22:38 < dongs> stackoverflow detected on 2nd monitor
2017-02-05T00:26:13 < scrts> its not pirated
2017-02-05T00:26:35 < scrts> they give it away for such countries, lol
2017-02-05T00:26:39 < scrts> same shit as pirated, lol
2017-02-05T00:26:44 < scrts> sup dongs?
2017-02-05T00:26:55 < dongs> not much
2017-02-05T00:26:58 < dongs> proing around
2017-02-05T00:27:13 < scrts> was thinking about kicad
2017-02-05T00:27:15 < dongs> if I get free altidumb in vietnam, im moving
2017-02-05T00:27:18 < dongs> ha ha. no.
2017-02-05T00:27:21 < dongs> come on.
2017-02-05T00:27:29 < scrts> still stayed on altium
2017-02-05T00:27:36 < scrts> eagle basically dead
2017-02-05T00:27:42 < scrts> there is nothing else reasonable
2017-02-05T00:27:56 < Rob235> sucks watching stuff when its not their native language.  they are so limited in what they can say that they come across as 'dumb'
2017-02-05T00:28:13 < aandrew> I think you just wanna be able to have "back in 'nam" stories
2017-02-05T00:30:34 < ohsix> hmr
2017-02-05T00:31:01 < ohsix> Rob235: lul that's more of a risk for native speakers that are actually dumb
2017-02-05T00:31:20 < ohsix> consider persons that don't know the difference between your and you're, and how prevalent they are
2017-02-05T00:33:29 < Rob235> but my point is that I know there are tons of smart people that just don't speak english that well and you could never tell because they come across like they were dropped on their heads as a baby
2017-02-05T00:34:19 < Rob235> you meaning english speakers....
2017-02-05T00:35:18 < dongs> a u t i s m
2017-02-05T00:36:50 < Rob235> gf goes out of town and I go straight to the liquor store
2017-02-05T00:38:44 < Rob235> interesting, at 23:40 seeing the map of the world with the americas on the right
2017-02-05T00:39:22 < Rob235> I guess if you're reading left to right you always want your side of the world first
2017-02-05T00:45:02 < ohsix> Rob235: i don't think i read lack of intelligence into that, they're speaking a second language, they're already far ahead of the in real life dullards i would baseline
2017-02-05T00:47:19 < Rob235> I actually didn't for the most part in that video either, but it made me think of other videos and stuff where people try to speak english and don't do it very well and come across as not very intelligent because they can't really explain much and say some things incorrectly. but that just shows your understanding, maybe I'm just quick to judge or something.
2017-02-05T00:47:42 < dongs> Rob235: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-02-05T00:48:08 < Rob235> oh how I love that message from you dongs, and how I care less and less each time you say it
2017-02-05T00:48:33 < dongs> would there be a threshold after which you couldn't care any less?
2017-02-05T00:48:36 < Rob235> you commented on said video yourself
2017-02-05T00:48:52 < englishman> dongs whats price of stm32f745vgt6 (qfp100)
2017-02-05T00:48:54 < Rob235> I think I've reached that point
2017-02-05T00:49:14 < Rob235> but you can keep trying if you feel it might help your cause
2017-02-05T00:49:26 < Rob235> I don't discriminate 
2017-02-05T00:49:31 < dongs> englishman: probly to new t o be availble
2017-02-05T00:49:41 < dongs> ill check tho
2017-02-05T00:49:42 < englishman> well digikey has a bunch
2017-02-05T00:49:44 < englishman> the bga isnt avail
2017-02-05T00:49:45 < englishman> thanks
2017-02-05T00:50:06 < dongs> wtf do you need it for
2017-02-05T00:50:20 < dongs> bga is not available because ST still hasn't figured out how to do non-retarded pitch BGA
2017-02-05T00:50:23 < englishman> proing
2017-02-05T00:50:30 < englishman> .8mm is retarded?
2017-02-05T00:50:41 < dongs> when did they make 0.8?
2017-02-05T00:50:43 < englishman> ti considers it noob-solderable
2017-02-05T00:50:51 < dongs> all teh shit i looked at it was 0.5 ot 0.65
2017-02-05T00:50:54 < englishman> stm32f745vgh6
2017-02-05T00:50:58 < dongs> 0.8 is ok but not when its a complete grid
2017-02-05T00:51:16 < englishman> o, it is
2017-02-05T00:51:23 < englishman> ti was nice about that part
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2017-02-05T00:54:42 < Rob235> lame
2017-02-05T00:55:38 < Rob235> make a better entrance next time or there will be consequences
2017-02-05T00:56:04 < englishman> laurent this is not an appropriate place to post your okcupid profile
2017-02-05T01:02:52 < englishman> dongs: last 20 boards zero fails, except for one flipped led that i caught before baking
2017-02-05T01:02:57 < englishman> getting pro-er
2017-02-05T01:04:10 < Rob235> I'd like to do my drone board in the next month, any tips?
2017-02-05T01:04:10 < dongs> cool
2017-02-05T01:04:27 < dongs> 4L dickstarter failed?
2017-02-05T01:04:32 < englishman> horribly
2017-02-05T01:04:47 < dongs> typical
2017-02-05T01:05:26 < sync_> 4l?
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2017-02-05T01:06:47 < Rob235> anyone watch elementary?
2017-02-05T01:07:18 < Rob235> not a terrible show and you get to see lucy liu a lot
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2017-02-05T01:13:10 < Rob235> I forgot how boring this channel is
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2017-02-05T01:14:05 < dongs> try to make it more fun by chatting about STM32
2017-02-05T01:14:10 < Steffanx> Lolyou rob235
2017-02-05T01:14:14 < Rob235> :)
2017-02-05T01:14:17 < Steffanx> Grumpy much?
2017-02-05T01:14:30 < Rob235> actually no, I've been in a good mood
2017-02-05T01:15:51 < Steffanx> Better keep it that way
2017-02-05T01:16:29 < Rob235> I hope so
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2017-02-05T01:16:38 < Rob235> how have you been mr Steffanx
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2017-02-05T01:37:41 < dongs> lol
2017-02-05T01:37:53 < dongs> im not sleeping
2017-02-05T01:37:59 < dongs> its 2.40pm!
2017-02-05T01:38:41 < Rob235> 13 year olds cant figure out time changes
2017-02-05T01:39:03 < Rob235> its a known fact
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2017-02-05T01:54:34 < upgrdman> R2COM, it should just be one of your monitors
2017-02-05T01:54:46 < upgrdman> make sure your gay tv does have the hdmi port disabled or some shit
2017-02-05T01:54:50 < upgrdman> doesnt*
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2017-02-05T02:05:38 < dongs> if I get an exti interrupt and several lines get hit (ie in exti5-9), do I get an interrupt for each one of htem in order
2017-02-05T02:05:56 < dongs> like if exti5 and 6 fires, I get 2 IRQs, one with 5 , one wiht 6 set?
2017-02-05T02:06:38 < dongs> looks like upgrdman trolled you with his video
2017-02-05T02:07:08 < dongs> (R2COM is probly too dumb to configure displays to "extend" instead of "mirror")
2017-02-05T02:07:13 < zyp> dongs, don't you have to clear them manually?
2017-02-05T02:07:14 < upgrdman> R2COM, wtf are you using a cable repeater for
2017-02-05T02:07:26 < dongs> zyp, i donno, im about to find out
2017-02-05T02:07:29 < upgrdman> your repearer is prolly the problem
2017-02-05T02:07:47 < zyp> dongs, I'd guess that if you clear them all in the ISR, you get one trigger, if you clear them one by one, ISR will get retriggered until you've cleared all
2017-02-05T02:08:07 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/HqsLlw49.html
2017-02-05T02:08:11 < dongs> hm, F3 sample code
2017-02-05T02:08:16 < dongs> but they use elseif
2017-02-05T02:08:22 < dongs> yeah seems
2017-02-05T02:09:03 < dongs> lull chrome thought that paste was in french
2017-02-05T02:09:08 < dongs> must have detected STM faggotry
2017-02-05T02:09:29 < upgrdman> R2COM, 30' isnt long
2017-02-05T02:09:37 < dongs> haha
2017-02-05T02:09:40 < dongs> R2COM: thats HDMI 1.4
2017-02-05T02:09:41 < dongs> max
2017-02-05T02:09:49 < dongs> yes
2017-02-05T02:09:51 < dongs> cuz thats hdmi 1.4
2017-02-05T02:09:58 < upgrdman> R2COM, you using gay ass hdmi 1.4?
2017-02-05T02:09:59 < dongs> you bought a garbage extender
2017-02-05T02:10:02 < upgrdman> you dumb faggot
2017-02-05T02:10:02 < dongs> no
2017-02-05T02:10:21 < dongs> also what, 4kx2k
2017-02-05T02:10:25 < dongs> you dont have a 4096x tv
2017-02-05T02:10:32 < upgrdman> R2COM, remove your repeater
2017-02-05T02:10:33 < Rob235> haha
2017-02-05T02:10:40 < Rob235> you dumb faggot
2017-02-05T02:10:56 < dongs> fix your fucking resolution first you kike
2017-02-05T02:11:53 < Rob235> you are right sir
2017-02-05T02:11:59 < dongs> yea man.
2017-02-05T02:12:05 < Rob235> wrong ch0ice oif words
2017-02-05T02:12:20 < dongs> the correct term is homosexual african american
2017-02-05T02:12:22 < dongs> not "gay nigger"
2017-02-05T02:12:28 < Rob235> how dare i
2017-02-05T02:12:57 < Rob235> punches self in face
2017-02-05T02:13:15 < dongs> 4:20
2017-02-05T02:13:20 < Rob235> somke=
2017-02-05T02:13:53 < Rob235> yes@
2017-02-05T02:14:06 < Rob235> first process done
2017-02-05T02:16:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, just try without the repeater
2017-02-05T02:16:33 < upgrdman> "rated" and reality do always mesh well
2017-02-05T02:17:32 < upgrdman> R2COM, i didnt use a repeater in my video
2017-02-05T02:17:37 < upgrdman> you stupid autistic faggot
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2017-02-05T02:21:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> Are you outputting from a desktop? Do you have a laptop that has a high enough resolution to be some sort of test?
2017-02-05T02:22:03 < upgrdman> faggot-rated laptop
2017-02-05T02:22:36 < upgrdman> R2COM, on your tv, make sure hte hdmi mode is set for hdmi2
2017-02-05T02:22:47 < upgrdman> my sony tv has hdmi2 mode and "compatible mode" for old shitz
2017-02-05T02:23:05 < dongs> not all ports are 2.0 also
2017-02-05T02:23:12 < upgrdman> your tv is config'd to USE IT AS 2.0 though?
2017-02-05T02:23:13 < dongs> like my gay toshiba has only 2 hdmi2 ports and other 2 are 1.4
2017-02-05T02:27:45 < upgrdman> specs dont matter
2017-02-05T02:27:51 < upgrdman> IS IT CONFIGD TO USE HDMI2
2017-02-05T02:28:01 < upgrdman> NOT JUST CAPABLE
2017-02-05T02:28:15 < upgrdman> k
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2017-02-05T02:34:45 < dongs> just admit you got a garbage tv
2017-02-05T02:39:30 < upgrdman> R2COM, what model number is your tv
2017-02-05T02:39:37 < upgrdman> in fact no
2017-02-05T02:39:41 < upgrdman> link us a pdf manual
2017-02-05T02:40:53 < dongs> When connecting a HDMI 2.0 device, HDMI Color Subsampling needs to be enabled
2017-02-05T02:40:54 < dongs> to support 4K resolution at 60hz.
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2017-02-05T02:40:57 < dongs> fucking OWNED
2017-02-05T02:41:07 < dongs> your shit is 420 natively, the end
2017-02-05T02:41:25 < dongs> probably beau they're just using a shitty siliconeimage 2.0 -> 1.4 converter chip to do DRM
2017-02-05T02:41:30 < dongs> and TV native inputs are 1.4
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2017-02-05T02:42:38 < dongs> huh if I ahve funcptr array[20] how do I actually CALL that function?
2017-02-05T02:42:45 < dongs> array[10]() doesnt work obviosuly
2017-02-05T02:43:01 < upgrdman> *array[10]()?
2017-02-05T02:43:03 < upgrdman> or
2017-02-05T02:43:07 < upgrdman> *(array[10])()?
2017-02-05T02:43:17 < dongs> why dereference tho
2017-02-05T02:43:20 < dongs> its already a pointer
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2017-02-05T02:43:35 < upgrdman> dunno it just feel right
2017-02-05T02:43:38 < upgrdman> try
2017-02-05T02:43:48 < dongs> oops i was stoned, i was missing a ) earlier
2017-02-05T02:43:52 < dongs> got unrelated error
2017-02-05T02:44:02 < dongs> (array[20])(); works
2017-02-05T02:44:03 < upgrdman> like char cocks[10]; .... cocks is a pointer, but cocks[3] is a char.
2017-02-05T02:44:09 < upgrdman> ahh
2017-02-05T02:44:34 < dongs> waht do you mean
2017-02-05T02:44:37 < dongs> that paste is straight out of your manual
2017-02-05T02:44:39 < dongs> no
2017-02-05T02:44:44 < dongs> 2.0 doesnt mean shit
2017-02-05T02:44:48 < dongs> especially on cheap garbage
2017-02-05T02:45:09 < dongs> like i said, even fucking sony did "2.0" by converting 1.4 to 2.0 with siliconeimage just to get HDCP2.2
2017-02-05T02:45:16 < dongs> on thier "high end" media player
2017-02-05T02:45:18 < dongs> thats like $700
2017-02-05T02:45:18 < dongs> lol
2017-02-05T02:45:21 < zyp> wat, are you guys still going on about that hdmi shit?
2017-02-05T02:45:33 < dongs> englishman: no stock
2017-02-05T02:45:41 < upgrdman> zyp, r2cum has a shit tv and crying about it blaming me/us
2017-02-05T02:46:17 < zyp> yeah, I got that like an hour ago
2017-02-05T02:46:22 < dongs> haha
2017-02-05T02:46:28 < zyp> so I found something more useful to do
2017-02-05T02:46:48 < dongs> my funcptr shit is right, yeah?
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2017-02-05T02:49:25 < zyp> dongs, looks sane
2017-02-05T02:49:34 < upgrdman> R2COM, ya
2017-02-05T02:49:54 < zyp> dongs, when you have an expression that evaluates into a function pointer, just append () to call it
2017-02-05T02:50:06 < zyp> with whatever arguments to call it with
2017-02-05T02:50:56 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-05T02:51:14 < dongs> R2COM: sure. or just to get the HDCP2.x certification
2017-02-05T02:51:46 < upgrdman> hdcp1 is the version that got hacked a few years aho right
2017-02-05T02:51:55 < upgrdman> key on slashdot iirc
2017-02-05T02:51:55 < dongs> long time ago yeah
2017-02-05T02:52:00 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-05T02:52:01 < dongs> the entire key space got factored out
2017-02-05T02:52:35 < upgrdman> and hdcp2 is still invincible?
2017-02-05T02:52:59 < dongs> as long as you don't use a $10 chinese hdmi switcher that turns it off sure
2017-02-05T02:53:34 < ReadError> lol vizio
2017-02-05T02:53:47 < dongs> vizio is like, ghettoer than westinghouse amirite?
2017-02-05T02:53:54 < dongs> westinghouse already being the bottom of the barrel
2017-02-05T02:54:12 < ReadError> close enough
2017-02-05T02:54:46 < dongs> hm i guess i wont find out without testing later if these exti shits fire several signals at once
2017-02-05T02:55:13 < dongs> for now I will just do if (line5) {} if (line6) {} then try to else them if I only get one irq per  line
2017-02-05T02:56:38 < zyp> why else? that's dumb
2017-02-05T02:56:53 < dongs> just cuz sample code does else
2017-02-05T02:57:03 < dongs> < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/HqsLlw49.html
2017-02-05T02:57:11 < zyp> just use if(line5) { clear5, blah } if(line6) { clear6, blah }
2017-02-05T02:57:15 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-05T02:57:17 < dongs> exactly wat i did
2017-02-05T02:57:34 < zyp> oh, right
2017-02-05T02:57:37 < zyp> now I see your point
2017-02-05T02:57:54 < dongs> they're skipping the rest if one line got hit
2017-02-05T02:58:12 < zyp> it's going to retrigger and start over from the beginning of the if-chain, so that's a waste of time
2017-02-05T02:58:56 < dongs> if ((*(__IO uint32_t *) (((uint32_t) &(EXTI->PR)) + ((EXTI_Line) >> 5 ) * 0x20)& (uint32_t)(1 << (EXTI_Line & 0x1F))) != (uint32_t)RESET)
2017-02-05T02:58:59 < zyp> might be useful if exti is slow and low-prio and you might want to interleave higher prio ISRs in between multiple lines handled by one ISR
2017-02-05T02:58:59 < dongs> gah
2017-02-05T02:59:01 < dongs> exti_getitstatus is ugly
2017-02-05T02:59:28 < dongs> yeah these are all slow, all < 1000hz, most < 100hz
2017-02-05T02:59:30 < zyp> of course it's ugly, they write (uint32_t)RESET instead of 0
2017-02-05T02:59:35 < dongs> heh
2017-02-05T02:59:51 < zyp> lots of retarded casts too
2017-02-05T03:01:03 < dongs> why do they /32 exti_line at first?
2017-02-05T03:01:11 < dongs> to pickup remaining bits in second register?
2017-02-05T03:01:23 < dongs> ah there's 35 lines heh
2017-02-05T03:02:23 < dongs> __IO is their retarded volatile thing
2017-02-05T03:02:32 < dongs> i donno why would they even use that instead of just saying vlatile...
2017-02-05T03:02:46 < zyp> that's too standard
2017-02-05T03:03:56 < dongs> wiat wat
2017-02-05T03:04:03 < dongs> R2COM's TV is configured from assdroid tablet?
2017-02-05T03:04:34 < Laurenceb_> tarduino
2017-02-05T03:04:49 < Laurenceb_> Brits are a Cuck race
2017-02-05T03:07:35 < ReadError> sounds like a PITA
2017-02-05T03:07:55 < ReadError> ah
2017-02-05T03:12:13 < Laurenceb_> https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2780977/pervert-caught-having-sex-with-roadside-drain-cover-during-middle-of-the-day-on-busy-east-london-street/
2017-02-05T03:13:24 < dongs> Laurenceb_ self-advertisement?
2017-02-05T03:13:35 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-02-05T03:14:57 < englishman> loo vizio tv
2017-02-05T03:15:05 < englishman> worst Walmart shit
2017-02-05T03:15:28 < englishman> dongs: f746 maybe?
2017-02-05T03:15:58 < dongs> englishman: give up your ravioli clone, lol.
2017-02-05T03:16:04 < dongs> checking
2017-02-05T03:17:54 < englishman> thx
2017-02-05T03:18:10 < englishman> I don't think you can get vizio except at Walmart
2017-02-05T03:18:34 < dongs> wow axi bus wtf
2017-02-05T03:18:55 < dongs> you must be doin some super pro shit
2017-02-05T03:19:13 < zyp> axi bus where?
2017-02-05T03:19:27 < dongs> on F74wahtever he asked
2017-02-05T03:19:36 < englishman> yep
2017-02-05T03:19:41 < zyp> of course, it's standard on m7
2017-02-05T03:19:45 < englishman> lowest end f7
2017-02-05T03:20:03 < zyp> AHB is too narrow to feed m7 fast enough, or something
2017-02-05T03:20:04 < englishman> o yea that store
2017-02-05T03:20:37 < englishman> f745/f746 only difference is LCD controller, but maybe the cheaper one isn't avail cuz non-disco
2017-02-05T03:21:23 < dongs> R2COM: ctrl+f that text, duh
2017-02-05T03:21:28 < zyp> R2COM, which manual?
2017-02-05T03:21:29 < dongs> i already closed the shit
2017-02-05T03:22:09 < dongs> atmel M7 is 300MHz
2017-02-05T03:22:25 < dongs> i wonder if their GPIO still defaults to input, PULLUP on reset.
2017-02-05T03:22:28  * dongs opens rm
2017-02-05T03:22:54 < dongs> yep it does
2017-02-05T03:22:55 < dongs> haha.
2017-02-05T03:23:00 < dongs> never again, atmel.
2017-02-05T03:23:06 < zyp> pullup isn't much dumber than floating tbh
2017-02-05T03:23:18 < dongs> zyp, its enough to turn just about ev erything on
2017-02-05T03:23:21 < dongs> especilaly low current
2017-02-05T03:23:53 < zyp> well, for digital shit it might still be on since floating is fucking undefined
2017-02-05T03:24:18 < zyp> default pullup saves you external pullups for shit that has to be pulled up to not fuck up
2017-02-05T03:24:35 < dongs> heh
2017-02-05T03:24:42 < dongs> i can see default pullDOWN
2017-02-05T03:24:45 < dongs> to you know,not turn shit on
2017-02-05T03:24:59 < dongs> what about pin current leakage and shit?
2017-02-05T03:25:02 < dongs> if all of htem are pulled up
2017-02-05T03:25:08 < dongs> that shit must draw mad current when doing fuckall
2017-02-05T03:25:27 < upgrdman> ya im with dongs on this. float or pull-down.
2017-02-05T03:25:28 < dongs> (not surprising, the SAM8XE shit i was using was drawing like 180mA at idle
2017-02-05T03:25:34 < upgrdman> pull-up is dumb as shit
2017-02-05T03:25:39 < dongs> i mean it ACTUALLY GOT WARM
2017-02-05T03:25:41 < dongs> just idling
2017-02-05T03:25:45 < dongs> a fucking M3 @ 80Mhz
2017-02-05T03:26:13 < zyp>  dongs if you wire the leds between gpio and vdd, they remain off when pulled up
2017-02-05T03:26:34 < zyp> that's a fairly common way to wire leds since a lot of chips can sink more than they can source
2017-02-05T03:26:37 < dongs> gee, like I didnt know
2017-02-05T03:26:45 < dongs> yeah, i always wire leds assink anyway
2017-02-05T03:27:10 < dongs> this tarduino had them through fets cuz there was a higher current led extension cable and shit. thats not hte point tho
2017-02-05T03:27:17 < dongs> doesnt make pullup any less dumb ;d
2017-02-05T03:27:39 < zyp> dongs, well, fets are floating
2017-02-05T03:27:39 < dongs> Ycbcr 444 is like
2017-02-05T03:27:41 < dongs> RGB565
2017-02-05T03:27:56 < zyp> dongs, all the light outputs on arcin are randomly off or on when the chip is in reset
2017-02-05T03:28:11 < dongs> nice design there zyp
2017-02-05T03:28:21 < dongs> speaking of arcin
2017-02-05T03:28:25 < dongs> pcbs were done weeks ago
2017-02-05T03:28:28 < dongs> maybe we should order parts?
2017-02-05T03:28:47 < zyp> ah, awesome
2017-02-05T03:29:06 < zyp> yeah, I'm waiting for chinese newyears to be over
2017-02-05T03:29:10 < englishman> ya that's how I learned cmos
2017-02-05T03:29:16 < englishman> always sink by default
2017-02-05T03:29:17 < dongs> chinagirl showed up in chats yesterday
2017-02-05T03:29:19 < englishman> and idle high
2017-02-05T03:29:19 < dongs> with vacation pix
2017-02-05T03:29:26 < zyp> you mentioned 8. so I weren't going to bug you until then
2017-02-05T03:29:37 < zyp> but sure, the earlier the better
2017-02-05T03:29:44 < dongs> but yeah, im jerking off into the snow so we could delay until whenever ;p
2017-02-05T03:29:56 < zyp> no need to delay on my side
2017-02-05T03:30:42 < dongs> aw fuck , invoices for the parts are at office desktop
2017-02-05T03:30:49 < dongs> i thought i kept the shit in customers folder.
2017-02-05T03:30:59 < scrts> not sure what's the point of using YCbCr444 instead of RGB888
2017-02-05T03:31:27 < dongs> oh and SAM8XE has TWO reset pins
2017-02-05T03:31:33 < dongs> one of them resets RTC as well
2017-02-05T03:31:41 < zyp> scrts, video is usually stored in Y'CbCr
2017-02-05T03:31:45 < dongs> completely fucking uselses
2017-02-05T03:32:02 < scrts> zyp-> eventually it's still converted to RGB
2017-02-05T03:32:12 < dongs> not rly
2017-02-05T03:32:18 < dongs> only for diplay
2017-02-05T03:32:21 < scrts> yup
2017-02-05T03:32:31 < dongs> you could send native junk to hdmi or whatever
2017-02-05T03:32:41 < scrts> isn't the display is the destination out of graphics adapter?
2017-02-05T03:32:53 < dongs> not if its tv
2017-02-05T03:32:55 < scrts> in terms of bandwidth, both are same
2017-02-05T03:33:06 < scrts> unless it's YCbCr422
2017-02-05T03:33:13 < zyp> well, I assume Y'CbCr textures on the GPU won't go via RGB if the GPU is outputting Y'CbCr
2017-02-05T03:33:43 < scrts> I bet there are HW converters, so it doesn't even care..
2017-02-05T03:34:02 < zyp> so a video player could throw shit directly into Y'CbCr textures and it'll be Y'CbCr all the way to the TV
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2017-02-05T03:34:21 < zyp> well, sure, it's just a translation matrix anyway
2017-02-05T03:34:27 < scrts> btw lads, do you still make all altium components by yourselves?
2017-02-05T03:34:36 < zyp> couple of multiplications and sums per pixel
2017-02-05T03:34:40 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-05T03:34:42 < scrts> or their online library/database is actually useful?
2017-02-05T03:34:56 < zyp> idk, I don't think I have access to that anymore
2017-02-05T03:35:42 < zyp> I like IPC wizard for generating footprints, and I like making sane symbols
2017-02-05T03:35:52 < zyp> too many parts come with dumb symbols
2017-02-05T03:36:02 < dongs> hmm, atmel has usb-hs phy on-chip too
2017-02-05T03:36:04 < scrts> I remember like year 2013, where I used altium preloaded PCB pads and some resistors went sideways through the soldering process..
2017-02-05T03:36:16 < dongs> if only peripherals werent complete trash
2017-02-05T03:36:33 < scrts> atmel is microchip, so shit got together!
2017-02-05T03:36:37 < dongs> how so
2017-02-05T03:36:43 < dongs> when did shit get together
2017-02-05T03:36:58 < dongs> The on-chip SRAM can be configured as Tightly Coupled Memory (TCM) or system memory. A multi-port access
2017-02-05T03:37:01 < dongs> that is fucking neat
2017-02-05T03:37:04 < dongs> to the SRAM guarantees a minimum access latency. 
2017-02-05T03:37:08 < dongs> none of those "fuck off and this is tcm" like on ST
2017-02-05T03:37:12 < scrts> http://www.atmel.com/about/news/release.aspx?reference=tcm:26-82057
2017-02-05T03:37:18 < scrts> year ago
2017-02-05T03:37:25 < dongs> scrts: no i mean, i know mchp bought them
2017-02-05T03:37:26 < dongs> i meant
2017-02-05T03:37:29 < dongs> when did improvements start
2017-02-05T03:37:48 < scrts> haha, I meant it literally
2017-02-05T03:37:49 < scrts> :)))
2017-02-05T03:38:10 < scrts> OTOH I saw people using pic32
2017-02-05T03:38:14 < dongs> snort
2017-02-05T03:38:20 < scrts> must be somewhat working then
2017-02-05T03:38:30 < dongs> i saw zano using pic32
2017-02-05T03:38:35 < dongs> 3.5mil in the toilet
2017-02-05T03:38:47 < zyp> I didn't see zano
2017-02-05T03:38:49 < zyp> because it failed
2017-02-05T03:38:53 < scrts> I spoke with one technical lad who was behind SKULLY
2017-02-05T03:38:57 < scrts> I thought it was great
2017-02-05T03:39:01 < scrts> but failed like shit
2017-02-05T03:39:03 < dongs> isnt that the failed helmet
2017-02-05T03:39:13 < scrts> they said it mostly failed because of hardware
2017-02-05T03:39:24 < zyp> blame the hardware
2017-02-05T03:39:33 < zyp> not the people who designed the hardware
2017-02-05T03:39:35 < dongs> don't blame the pakilancers they hired, nope.
2017-02-05T03:39:36 < scrts> hw engineers were faggots
2017-02-05T03:39:40 < scrts> tried to cut corners
2017-02-05T03:40:02 < dongs> if atmel QSPI can do writes im dumping stm32
2017-02-05T03:40:26 < dongs> hm their AXI runs at 150mhz
2017-02-05T03:41:07 < zyp> bet it can't
2017-02-05T03:41:10 < dongs> 1 Kbyte of backup RAM (BRAM) with dedicated regulator
2017-02-05T03:41:22 < dongs> Quad I/O Serial Peripheral Interface (QSPI) interfacing up to 256 MB Flash and with eXecute-In-Place and onthe-
2017-02-05T03:41:24 < scrts> write in QSPI mode?
2017-02-05T03:41:25 < dongs> oh *wow*
2017-02-05T03:41:27 < dongs> fly scrambling
2017-02-05T03:41:35 < scrts> because STM32 does in single bit mode?
2017-02-05T03:41:35 < dongs> you can execute code from it nice
2017-02-05T03:41:47 < zyp> dongs, can't you do that on stm32 too?
2017-02-05T03:41:47 < dongs> (probly can on stm, too right?
2017-02-05T03:41:51 < dongs> yeah im trolling
2017-02-05T03:42:02 < zyp> and stm32 also got backupsram
2017-02-05T03:42:21 < dongs> not 1k
2017-02-05T03:42:28 < zyp> no, 4k
2017-02-05T03:42:31 < dongs> isnt there only like 30 bytes of backup registers?
2017-02-05T03:42:31 < dongs> ah
2017-02-05T03:42:38 < dongs> on M7 is 4K?
2017-02-05T03:42:45 < zyp> no, good old F4
2017-02-05T03:43:03 < zyp> F4 has 20 backup registers and 4k of backupsram
2017-02-05T03:43:14 < dongs> ah i never looked beyond BKP stuf.f
2017-02-05T03:43:18 < dongs> didnt know there was a ram block too.
2017-02-05T03:43:33 < zyp> yeah, I was surprised myself when I found out
2017-02-05T03:43:37 < zyp> when I designed that LL board
2017-02-05T03:44:05 < zyp> they ended up using it for logging, so last logs before power loss are kept
2017-02-05T03:45:20 < dongs> hheh atmel shit still has some kinda parallel high voltage programming mode
2017-02-05T03:45:29 < dongs> with D0..15 parallel
2017-02-05T03:45:40 < zyp> haha
2017-02-05T03:46:06 < dongs> one thing I gotta give htem credit for, flashing 512k SAM8XE only took a couple seconds
2017-02-05T03:46:12 < dongs> their flash writes are definitely faster than STM.
2017-02-05T03:46:21 < dongs> (over swd)
2017-02-05T03:46:45 < zyp> how long time are you used to it taking?
2017-02-05T03:46:48 < scrts> maybe stm32 rewrites all blocks instead of required ones/
2017-02-05T03:47:04 < dongs> zyp, F401RE takes ~10 seconds for 384k
2017-02-05T03:47:13 < dongs> also erase on atmel is instant
2017-02-05T03:47:18 < dongs> vs ~seconds on F4
2017-02-05T03:47:39 < zyp> I thought you claimed faster speeds than 40kB/s
2017-02-05T03:47:46 < zyp> I mean, aren't you using pro tools? :p
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2017-02-05T03:48:42 < dongs> heh
2017-02-05T03:49:34 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/83a274a0992480b5e544b611ac4a1013420e5b7ce09ef4a24b8fce46d8aef83d.jpg
2017-02-05T03:50:23 < zyp> Laurenceb_, aww, shame you're not american
2017-02-05T03:51:01 < dongs> they still kept the fucking ERASE pin
2017-02-05T03:51:10 < dongs> fuck that is so useless
2017-02-05T03:52:15 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/d0622faa33b22fc39bca80f355211202446027dd866efff1fc65411665f2e289.jpg
2017-02-05T03:52:25 < dongs> The Fast Flash Programming Interface allows programming the device through a multiplexed fully-handshaked
2017-02-05T03:52:29 < dongs> parallel port. It allows gang programming with market-standard industrial programmers.
2017-02-05T03:52:32 < dongs> The FFPI supports read, page program, page erase, full erase, lock, unlock and protect commands.
2017-02-05T03:53:53 < zyp> gangbang programming
2017-02-05T03:54:05 < zyp> so, uh, is that meant for programming before soldering?
2017-02-05T03:54:31 < zyp> or are you supposed to hook up a fucking parallel bus to a ton of boards in parallel?
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2017-02-05T03:56:05 < Laurenceb_> hi crt
2017-02-05T03:56:22 < Laurenceb_> I fucked a Hungarian
2017-02-05T03:56:33 < Laurenceb_>  /nick LaurenceAIDS
2017-02-05T03:56:35 < dongs> zyp, probably using that pro PIC32 programmer from ivan
2017-02-05T03:56:51 < dongs> that does htem in-reel
2017-02-05T03:57:04 < Laurenceb_> Ivan is now a meme
2017-02-05T03:57:30 < zyp> Laurenceb_, was it good?
2017-02-05T03:57:42 < Laurenceb_> feels bad man
2017-02-05T03:57:50 < Laurenceb_> nasty shit is nasty
2017-02-05T03:58:01 < Laurenceb_> I will never get wasted again
2017-02-05T03:59:25 < dongs> zyp, no axi on atmel
2017-02-05T03:59:38 < dongs> ahb-lite and ahb-slave or osmethign
2017-02-05T03:59:57 < zyp> heh, I thought it was part of the core
2017-02-05T04:00:26 < dongs> hm wait wat, there's AXIM for memory
2017-02-05T04:01:06 < dongs> The AXI master (AXIM) interface provides high-performance access to an external memory system
2017-02-05T04:01:09 < zyp> that's what I mean, there's multiple buses, and the main shit is AXI
2017-02-05T04:02:04 < dongs> o yeah i missed the axi bridge thing in atmel block diagram
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2017-02-05T04:03:42 < dongs> still
2017-02-05T04:03:53 < dongs> ahb on stm runs at 216mhz
2017-02-05T04:04:39 < dongs> hm but APBs are shit
2017-02-05T04:04:41 < dongs> 108/54mhz
2017-02-05T04:04:49 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-05T04:04:51 < zyp> http://electronicdesign.com/site-files/electronicdesign.com/files/uploads/2014/09/136551_fig3.jpg
2017-02-05T04:04:57 < zyp> this shit looks complex
2017-02-05T04:05:07 < dongs> huh, F7 also has highspeed phy onboard?
2017-02-05T04:05:17 < zyp> I'd say judging performance just by bus speeds is kinda pointless
2017-02-05T04:05:35 < zyp> you'd have to benchmark both with a real world application to tell what's actually faster
2017-02-05T04:05:49 < dongs> atmel has 12 layer.
2017-02-05T04:05:53 < dongs> instant winner
2017-02-05T04:06:04 < dongs> bigger is beter
2017-02-05T04:06:05 < dongs> no discussion
2017-02-05T04:06:08 < dongs> 300mhz > 216mhz
2017-02-05T04:06:14 < dongs> 150mhz > 108mhz
2017-02-05T04:06:18 < zyp> hmm, you're right
2017-02-05T04:06:19 < zyp> «On-chip USB high-speed PHY on some variants»
2017-02-05T04:06:25 < zyp> didn't know that
2017-02-05T04:06:28 < zyp> that's nice
2017-02-05T04:06:42 < dongs> i sasw it in block diagram for 746
2017-02-05T04:06:49 < dongs> and 745
2017-02-05T04:07:00 < dongs> atmel has 16k i/d cache
2017-02-05T04:07:13 < dongs> 4 on STM
2017-02-05T04:07:27 < dongs> no ECC either
2017-02-05T04:07:43 < dongs> looks like atmel is clear winner for future clonings
2017-02-05T04:07:47 < zyp> F7x3 has HS PHY, according to table on website
2017-02-05T04:08:08 < dongs> still same fucking garbage DMA on F7
2017-02-05T04:08:14 < dongs> atmel DMA is any:any
2017-02-05T04:08:27 < dongs> on any channel
2017-02-05T04:08:35 < zyp> you're starting to sounds like atmel fanboy :p
2017-02-05T04:09:13 < dongs> hey but ST supports 8bit sdio
2017-02-05T04:09:53 < dongs> internet is starting to cut the fuck out again
2017-02-05T04:10:11 < dongs> cant even chat
2017-02-05T04:16:17 < Laurenceb_> Atmel tard
2017-02-05T04:16:21 < Laurenceb_> I mean microchip
2017-02-05T04:16:23 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=680JH7TxluI
2017-02-05T04:18:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ev1A2jp.png my msft edge experience ended here
2017-02-05T04:18:55 < dongs> (yesterday
2017-02-05T04:19:00 < dongs> that was like ~5 windows open for a few hours
2017-02-05T04:19:14 < dongs> i tried.
2017-02-05T04:22:04 < zyp> hmm, stupid
2017-02-05T04:22:25 < zyp> F723 is F722 + HS PHY
2017-02-05T04:23:02 < zyp> seems like F722 is available in qfp64 and qfp100, F723 isn't available in anything smaller than qfp144 unless you wanna go bga/wlcsp
2017-02-05T04:23:12 < dongs> haha
2017-02-05T04:23:16 < dongs> that phy us hueg man
2017-02-05T04:23:16 < dongs> is
2017-02-05T04:23:32 < dongs> did you see i got sores for dwc_otg2?
2017-02-05T04:23:37 < dongs> like in veriblog
2017-02-05T04:23:54 < zyp> where did you steal them from?
2017-02-05T04:23:59 < dongs> sshhh
2017-02-05T04:24:02 < zyp> :p
2017-02-05T04:24:05 < dongs> and cortex-m3 core
2017-02-05T04:24:23 < zyp> I have the databook that tells you how to hook up the core
2017-02-05T04:24:54 < dongs> apparently this was used / provided as part of cortex-m system development kit or something
2017-02-05T04:25:01 < dongs> theres ahb/etc buses and some sram/flash/junk in tehre too
2017-02-05T04:27:02 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/031tyA30.html how's this for my exti driver?
2017-02-05T04:27:05 < dongs> too ugly?
2017-02-05T04:28:13 < zyp> looks reasonable, I guess
2017-02-05T04:29:24 < zyp> heh, F723 is all retarded packages
2017-02-05T04:29:35 < dongs> i wonder if its really phy size
2017-02-05T04:29:38 < zyp> either huge as fuck or retarded small pitch
2017-02-05T04:29:39 < zyp> nah
2017-02-05T04:29:51 < dongs> oh right wlcsp
2017-02-05T04:29:57 < zyp> wlcsp100 is 4.166x4.628mm
2017-02-05T04:30:04 < zyp> 0.4mm pitch
2017-02-05T04:30:05 < dongs> thats awesome
2017-02-05T04:30:10 < zyp> the bga ones are 0.5mm and 0.65mm
2017-02-05T04:30:50 < zyp> well, it would be awesome if doing boards with that sort of specs weren't super expensive :p
2017-02-05T04:32:04 < zyp> say 8L with buried vias, that would be nice :p
2017-02-05T04:32:21 < zyp> and via in pad
2017-02-05T04:32:59 < zyp> oh well
2017-02-05T04:33:12 < zyp> maybe they'll make some less retarded chips later
2017-02-05T04:33:19 < zyp> I'm not doing HS USB any time soon anyway
2017-02-05T04:34:00 < dongs> fastest RPM will be sampling through those extis is 4k rpm
2017-02-05T04:34:27 < zyp> so 67 Hz?
2017-02-05T04:34:44 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-05T04:35:00 < dongs> so i dont think efficiency is gonna matter much ehre
2017-02-05T04:38:51 < ohsix> upgrdman: omg cashing in on the boring/germane reverse engineering
2017-02-05T04:38:52 < zyp> what's it for?
2017-02-05T04:42:20 < dongs> zyp, controller box for a bunch of fans/pumps/garbage
2017-02-05T04:42:27 < dongs> which is why im simluating all that shit
2017-02-05T04:42:28 < dongs> + heaters
2017-02-05T04:42:29 < ohsix> scrts: met a dude the other day making fx pedal shits, he uses the pic32
2017-02-05T04:42:32 < dongs> i dont want any of it on my desk
2017-02-05T04:42:44 < ohsix> didn't get to ask much tho, hopefully will soon
2017-02-05T04:42:49 < dongs> found my STM32F413 nucleo
2017-02-05T04:42:54 < ohsix> i wanna find people in real life using faust
2017-02-05T04:49:41 < Laurenceb_> http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/physics-matters/#talk12
2017-02-05T04:49:44 < Laurenceb_> heh emdrive
2017-02-05T04:54:00 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol ya
2017-02-05T04:56:52 < englishman> Laurenceb_: you shoyld check out how bad mcgill fucked up a snowden talk
2017-02-05T04:57:04 < englishman> there were randos calling into skype and interrupting him
2017-02-05T04:58:19 < englishman> wtf R2COM why does your fucking television have an assdroid app
2017-02-05T04:58:55 < englishman> or does the whole TV run android???????????/
2017-02-05T04:59:03 < upgrdman> mine does.
2017-02-05T04:59:07 < upgrdman> android tv
2017-02-05T04:59:20 < englishman> shit, id take that junk back to the store
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2017-02-05T05:03:14 < BrainDamage> there's questions best left unanswered
2017-02-05T05:05:39 < englishman> beep Laurenceb 
2017-02-05T05:05:45 < englishman> whats the best windows latex editor
2017-02-05T05:06:10 < zyp> ms notepad
2017-02-05T05:06:29 < englishman> #troll32
2017-02-05T05:08:07 < englishman> does anyone still use notepad?
2017-02-05T05:08:13 < englishman> i use notepad++ for everything
2017-02-05T05:08:24 < zyp> so why do you ask?
2017-02-05T05:08:26 < englishman> cant stand textfiles without whitespace charactes
2017-02-05T05:08:36 < englishman> so i can edit some old latex files
2017-02-05T05:08:45 < zyp> yeah?
2017-02-05T05:08:51 < zyp> what's wrong with notepad++?
2017-02-05T05:08:59 < englishman> can i compile latex with notepad++?
2017-02-05T05:09:18 < jadew> pretty sure you can set up shortcuts to execute commands
2017-02-05T05:09:58 < zyp> just use pdflatex or something to compile?
2017-02-05T05:09:58 < englishman> writing a bunch of scripts kind of precludes it from being the best windows latex editor tho
2017-02-05T05:09:59 < jadew> if not by default, there's a plugin for it
2017-02-05T05:10:50 < englishman> maybe il just use cmu serif in ms word and nobody will know the difference
2017-02-05T05:11:04 < jadew> englishman, see if atom has a plugin for latex
2017-02-05T05:11:44 < jadew> http://blog.matteomerola.me/public/content/atom-latex-look-like.png
2017-02-05T05:12:00 < englishman> cool
2017-02-05T05:12:02 < englishman> do you use atom?
2017-02-05T05:12:06 < jadew> yeah
2017-02-05T05:12:23 < jadew> it's fairly heavy, but not terrible
2017-02-05T05:12:42 < englishman> well its downloading faster than LyX
2017-02-05T05:12:47 < jadew> heh
2017-02-05T05:14:39 < jadew> seems like VS Code has some latex support as well
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2017-02-05T05:15:04 < jadew> (better editor, but less customizable)
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2017-02-05T05:27:26 < dongs> < englishman> does anyone still use notepad?
2017-02-05T05:27:27 < dongs> yes
2017-02-05T05:27:33 < dongs> notepad.exe or vim
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2017-02-05T05:31:13 < englishman> cool, working in atom
2017-02-05T05:31:15 < englishman> thanks jadew 
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2017-02-05T05:33:17 < jadew> np
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2017-02-05T05:39:17 < dongs> atom? what/
2017-02-05T05:39:59 < dongs> why the fuck would anyone use latex in 2017
2017-02-05T05:48:01 < englishman> latex is pro
2017-02-05T05:48:03 < englishman> and atom is neat
2017-02-05T05:48:13 < dongs> atom is hipster trash
2017-02-05T05:48:15 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-02-05T05:48:17 < dongs> its made with javashit
2017-02-05T05:48:22 < dongs> instantly disqualified
2017-02-05T05:48:25 < dongs> from any kinda pro
2017-02-05T05:48:46 < dongs> this is worse, this is javaSCRIPT
2017-02-05T05:49:00 < dongs> a language that sholud have never been used for anything other than showing dicks on webpages
2017-02-05T05:49:05 < englishman> its chrome, so you should love it
2017-02-05T05:49:06 < dongs> a joke taken too seriously and too far
2017-02-05T05:49:14 < englishman> or something
2017-02-05T05:49:55 < englishman> it does use 50mb ram vs notepad++ 1.4mb but i got plenty
2017-02-05T05:50:09 < jadew> well, the way it's made it's actually its super power, cuz it's very easy to extend
2017-02-05T05:50:30 < englishman> yeah, never had foreign characters in latex done so simply
2017-02-05T05:51:01 < englishman> and theres an extension called timecop
2017-02-05T05:51:14 < jadew> yeah, checks how fast stuff loads
2017-02-05T05:53:51 < jadew> for extensions, I recommend tasks and project-manager to begin with
2017-02-05T05:55:10 < jadew> tasks adds support for some simple task list format, so you can keep a file with tasks (if you don't have some better task tracking system)
2017-02-05T05:55:12 < jadew> I like it
2017-02-05T05:55:34 < jadew> and project-manager allows you to have projects and easily switch between them
2017-02-05T05:56:46 < jadew> btw, ctrl + shift + p to bring up the command palette
2017-02-05T05:56:53 < englishman> i dono if this will replace notepad++ but it sure blows away whatever gnome or whatever lunix desktop trash that lunix has this week
2017-02-05T05:56:58 < englishman> gedit
2017-02-05T05:57:06 < jadew> also git-plus is a nice plugin, if you're using git
2017-02-05T05:57:27 < jadew> ctrl + shift + h to bring up its own command palette
2017-02-05T05:57:43 < jadew> yeah, I still use notepad++ for quick edits
2017-02-05T05:58:06 < englishman> only use git in sorestree
2017-02-05T05:58:22 < englishman> on lunix ive figured out smartgit but its pretty bad
2017-02-05T05:58:53 < dongs> gedit. haha
2017-02-05T05:58:57 < jadew> this is just for quick commit / push / pull
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2017-02-05T06:02:07 < ohsix> upgrdman: super crazy it uses tcp to communicate that
2017-02-05T06:05:08 < ohsix> there's probably a service that lets you setup the keys and stuff that listens for that and does actual driver communication
2017-02-05T06:06:07 < ohsix> englishman: atom has some cool extensions to put sparkles and explosions and shit on cursor movements
2017-02-05T06:07:30 < ohsix> englishman: https://atom.io/packages/activate-power-mode
2017-02-05T06:09:10 < ohsix> haaa there's a bunch of them https://github.com/codeinthedark/awesome-power-mode
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2017-02-05T06:09:27 < ohsix> https://github.com/mattn/vim-particle
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2017-02-05T06:11:18 < dongs> jadew: i discovered vs2015 knows about git
2017-02-05T06:12:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ColoD4R.png
2017-02-05T06:17:21 < ohsix> hrmprmr wpa_supplicant supports miracast
2017-02-05T06:18:20 < aandrew> jesus who uses gui shit like that
2017-02-05T06:18:20 < ohsix> https://github.com/albfan/miraclecast neat
2017-02-05T06:18:21 < jadew> dongs, I know, but I never bothered with it
2017-02-05T06:18:21 < aandrew> power mode?
2017-02-05T06:18:22 < aandrew> wtf
2017-02-05T06:18:49 < ohsix> aandrew: haha nobody seriously, i expect; it is funny itself as a joke that has legs or something
2017-02-05T06:19:11 < ohsix> it moves the window around
2017-02-05T06:19:37 < ohsix> combo stuff could be funny for copy editing
2017-02-05T06:20:00 < aandrew> wtf is wifi-display/miracast
2017-02-05T06:21:35 < ohsix> some intel shit that lets you stream display crap over wifi
2017-02-05T06:21:47 < ohsix> it's old news by now, but i guess i can dick with it
2017-02-05T06:22:09 < ohsix> oh not intel, that was the other one
2017-02-05T06:22:25 < ohsix> widi, lul
2017-02-05T06:23:31 < ohsix> hm windows supports it
2017-02-05T06:24:08 < ohsix> anyways, everything has hw h264 encoding in some form, so they have some shit to package it up and send it over wifi
2017-02-05T06:25:36 < ohsix> google chrome came along and actually made it useful
2017-02-05T06:25:59 < dongs> aandrew: what are you autisming about
2017-02-05T06:26:31 < ohsix> ReadError: seen these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-1A-2A-Dual-USB-LCD-all-in-one-Boost-Lithium-ion-Battery-Charger-Module-Board-/191900640970?hash=item2cae2b66ca:g:k2AAAOSwqfNXl378 basically power bank inserts but sold naked
2017-02-05T06:29:58 < aandrew> ohsix: hm, sounds like chromecast stuff
2017-02-05T06:33:14 < dongs> google, powered by AMP!
2017-02-05T06:33:50 < jadew> activate power mode is for writing strongly typed code
2017-02-05T06:34:02 < dongs> I heard atom supports rust
2017-02-05T06:34:09 < dongs> all the hipster shit.
2017-02-05T06:35:09 < jadew> I started using it because I made some documentation language that I needed an editor for
2017-02-05T06:35:28 < jadew> now I use it for other stuff too
2017-02-05T06:37:00 < dongs> no offense but that sounds like pure autism
2017-02-05T06:37:10 < dongs> why thefuck would you CREATE a NEW "documentation language"
2017-02-05T06:37:15 < dongs> existing 500+ werne't useful?
2017-02-05T06:37:41 < jadew> I made a tool that parses entire code bases and makes some interesting stuff with the code
2017-02-05T06:37:48 < jadew> one of which is to merge and update existing documentation
2017-02-05T06:37:53 < jadew> so it had to be a certain way
2017-02-05T06:38:07 < dongs> I can't imagine it being any different from shit like doxygen which already sucks sufficiently
2017-02-05T06:38:18 < jadew> it is
2017-02-05T06:38:28 < jadew> that's what I wanted to get away from
2017-02-05T06:40:05 < jadew> I was planning to release it, but I have to redesign it a bit and I don't seem to have the time for that anymore
2017-02-05T06:40:20 < dongs> good thing you weren't getting paid by the hour for this
2017-02-05T06:40:34 < jadew> heh
2017-02-05T06:41:44 < dongs> https://www.ampproject.org/learn/who/ you know AMP is fucked when the largest list of shit it supports is ADS
2017-02-05T06:42:50 < jadew> what's AMP?
2017-02-05T06:43:32 < dongs> ask o6. he noticed it by now im sure
2017-02-05T06:45:27 < dongs> jadew: are you ifaggot user or something?
2017-02-05T06:45:36 < dongs> or google romania hasn't implemented it yet
2017-02-05T06:45:53 < jadew> implement what?
2017-02-05T06:46:00 < dongs> AMP, you fucking
2017-02-05T06:46:05 < dongs> jadew: pull out your smartphone
2017-02-05T06:46:07 < dongs> if its assdroid
2017-02-05T06:46:08 < dongs> open chrome
2017-02-05T06:46:10 < dongs> search for "cocks"
2017-02-05T06:46:46 < jadew> what am I supposed to see?
2017-02-05T06:46:49 < jadew> it looks the same
2017-02-05T06:47:08 < dongs> does it not say (!) AMP to the left of "urban dictionary: cock" result?
2017-02-05T06:47:30 < jadew> you really want me to search for cocks? lol
2017-02-05T06:47:34 < dongs> well, yes
2017-02-05T06:47:46 < dongs> im too lazy to think of another guaranteed amp example
2017-02-05T06:48:01 < dongs> trump might work t oo
2017-02-05T06:48:17 < dongs> ya not enough amp on turmp page
2017-02-05T06:48:18 < dongs> cocks it is.
2017-02-05T06:48:51 < dongs> jadew: so?
2017-02-05T06:49:21 < jadew> I'm not searching for cocks, I'm searching for other stuff that would result in urban dictionary results
2017-02-05T06:49:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/egn1MFt.png
2017-02-05T06:49:49 < jadew> ok, I see it too
2017-02-05T06:49:55 < dongs> jadew: search for "hipster"
2017-02-05T06:50:03 < dongs> thats 1st result urbanfag w/amp
2017-02-05T06:50:05 < dongs> now click the amp result
2017-02-05T06:50:16 < dongs> and notice the URL in the address bar
2017-02-05T06:50:37 < jadew> so it's hosted on google?
2017-02-05T06:50:42 < dongs> correct.
2017-02-05T06:50:48 < dongs> worse:
2017-02-05T06:50:53 < dongs> you no longerh ave access to the real url
2017-02-05T06:50:57 < dongs> you can't share the google one.
2017-02-05T06:51:00 < jadew> why would you want that?
2017-02-05T06:51:04 < englishman> exactly
2017-02-05T06:51:09 < dongs> jadew: thats what im trying to get to
2017-02-05T06:51:40 < dongs> there's no opt out
2017-02-05T06:51:43 < dongs> if you use google on mobile
2017-02-05T06:51:44 < dongs> you get it.
2017-02-05T06:51:47 < dongs> if you read google news on mobile
2017-02-05T06:51:48 < dongs> you get it
2017-02-05T06:51:50 < dongs> news has even worse shit
2017-02-05T06:51:55 < dongs> it adds some extra swiping shit
2017-02-05T06:51:57 < dongs> left/right
2017-02-05T06:52:00 < dongs> to go to "related" news
2017-02-05T06:52:08 < dongs> (they're 99% never related or useful)
2017-02-05T06:52:20 < dongs> and when you try to go back to the old one you mistakenly swiped from, it loses postiion you were reading
2017-02-05T06:52:24 < dongs> and goes back to top
2017-02-05T06:52:48 < dongs> also forum and some news results in AMP don't have shit like comments
2017-02-05T06:52:53 < dongs> or other stuff one might be interested in
2017-02-05T06:52:58 < englishman> so how is duckduckgo
2017-02-05T06:53:05 < dongs> so if your search was for something
2017-02-05T06:53:15 < dongs> that was in an article where the solutoin was in COMMENTS
2017-02-05T06:53:20 < dongs> you're fucked cuz you won't see it in amp
2017-02-05T06:53:37 < dongs> also: google bumps sites that provide amp interface higher in the search results
2017-02-05T06:53:39 < jadew> you can't go to the original page tho?
2017-02-05T06:53:42 < dongs> nope
2017-02-05T06:53:46 < dongs> there's no link
2017-02-05T06:54:28 < dongs> if you compare encrypted.google.com search results with same query and with normal google.com search w/amp stuff, you'll see amp shit higher for some things.
2017-02-05T06:55:05 < jadew> what does google have to gain from it?
2017-02-05T06:55:28 < ohsix> a legal precedent when someone sues
2017-02-05T06:55:32 < ohsix> olol
2017-02-05T06:55:38 < ohsix> but, you have to opt in afair
2017-02-05T06:55:41 < dongs> ads, of course
2017-02-05T06:55:55 < ohsix> problem with that situation is that the shiteaters opt in and end up on top, so the other vendors have to as well
2017-02-05T06:55:55 < dongs> < dongs> https://www.ampproject.org/learn/who/ you know AMP is fucked when the largest list of shit it supports is ADS
2017-02-05T06:56:13 < dongs> also lol @ buzzfeed link in my screenshot
2017-02-05T06:56:48 < dongs> jadew: have you not noticed this when using phone to search for shit before?
2017-02-05T06:56:54 < dongs> its been enabled mostly worldwide for months now
2017-02-05T06:57:04 < jadew> dongs, no, but I don't use my phone much
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2017-02-05T06:58:30 < dongs> maybe emeb_mac does
2017-02-05T06:58:43 < dongs> everyone in stm32 should be educated about amp
2017-02-05T06:58:45 < dongs> and now to avoid it
2017-02-05T06:59:01 < dongs> (theres no way to avoid it other than switching to duckduckgo)
2017-02-05T06:59:59 < jadew> well, I'm in luck, linux mint shoves it down your throat with every occasion
2017-02-05T07:00:09 < dongs> wut
2017-02-05T07:00:29 < jadew> I think because they couldn't monetize having google as the default engine (I remember reading a rant about it)
2017-02-05T07:00:37 < dongs> oh fuckfuckgo
2017-02-05T07:00:37 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-05T07:00:43 < dongs> its one of those 'privacy nut' search shits
2017-02-05T07:00:48 < dongs> i'd never use it seriously of course
2017-02-05T07:00:51 < dongs> cuz i dont search for cp
2017-02-05T07:01:10 < dongs> encrypted.google.com works for me for now, to get rid of amp
2017-02-05T07:01:22 < dongs> mobile chrome doens't allow adding a custom search engine
2017-02-05T07:01:28 < dongs> THAT bug has been open for over a year
2017-02-05T07:01:30 < dongs> still no resolution
2017-02-05T07:01:36 < jadew> heh
2017-02-05T07:01:48 < dongs> so im slowly stopping using the google searchbox and open encrypted.google first
2017-02-05T07:01:49 < englishman> use duckduckgo browser then
2017-02-05T07:01:51 < jadew> like they have any incentive of fixing that
2017-02-05T07:01:57 < dongs> jadew: right, no shit
2017-02-05T07:06:07 < aandrew> huh
2017-02-05T07:06:10 < aandrew> never heard of amp before
2017-02-05T07:06:19 < englishman> sneaky, isnt it
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2017-02-05T07:15:43 < emeb_mac> maybe emeb_mac does what?
2017-02-05T07:17:33 < dongs> know about AMP!
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2017-02-05T07:20:39 < ohsix> amp is easy to avoid
2017-02-05T07:20:44 < ohsix> scroll down
2017-02-05T07:22:21 < dongs> easiest way to generate curvy data over time?
2017-02-05T07:24:37 < aandrew> sin(x) ?
2017-02-05T07:24:56 < dongs> i wanna simulate startup of a slow motor
2017-02-05T07:25:13 < dongs> i suppose even linear would probly work
2017-02-05T07:25:27  * dongs googles motor startup curve
2017-02-05T07:26:26 < dongs> http://ecmweb.com/site-files/ecmweb.com/files/archive/ecmweb.com/mag/612ecmPQfig1.jpg
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2017-02-05T07:27:49 < englishman> ac motor
2017-02-05T07:27:58 < dongs> there's mostly AC stuff
2017-02-05T07:28:03 < dongs> on this
2017-02-05T07:28:28 < englishman> I thought Tesla used pic32
2017-02-05T07:28:38 < dongs> i thought autism was on ignore
2017-02-05T07:28:40 < dongs> no tesla uses pic
2017-02-05T07:28:41 < dongs> not pic32
2017-02-05T07:28:47 < englishman> pic18
2017-02-05T07:28:51 < dongs> yes.
2017-02-05T07:29:02 < jadew> for what?
2017-02-05T07:29:07 < dongs> eveything
2017-02-05T07:31:47 < aandrew> what're you trying to do
2017-02-05T07:31:49 < aandrew> simulate in what way
2017-02-05T07:35:24 < dongs> just RPM
2017-02-05T07:35:35 < dongs> i mean i could ljust do linear it doesnt really matter
2017-02-05T07:35:49 < dongs> but one of the things spins at like 6rpm, with a really slow startup
2017-02-05T07:41:53 < aandrew> hm
2017-02-05T07:41:55 < aandrew> hard to say
2017-02-05T07:42:04 < aandrew> I mean I did 13y in industrial motor control
2017-02-05T07:42:17 < aandrew> if all you want is a linear ramp from 0rm to 1800rpm tha'ts trivial
2017-02-05T07:42:25 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-05T07:42:38 < dongs> im just wondering if I should give it a curve of some kind or not give a fuck
2017-02-05T07:42:41 < dongs> after all its just for sim
2017-02-05T07:44:08 < aandrew> well it's all dependent on the load
2017-02-05T07:44:22 < aandrew> why not take an RPM meter and measure the real thing, logging it and then replay that
2017-02-05T07:45:37 < PeterM> upgrdman your levels are super low bro
2017-02-05T07:46:11 < upgrdman> PeterM, audio? ya i fucked them up
2017-02-05T07:46:16 < PeterM> i had to crank the volume up foir you to be audible
2017-02-05T07:46:19 < dongs> aandrew: oo
2017-02-05T07:46:21 < ohsix> aandrew: oh yea i meant google chromecast not google chrome, lul
2017-02-05T07:46:30 < dongs> now thats an awesome protip
2017-02-05T07:46:33 < upgrdman> PeterM, ya it was a shit video so i didnt both to reencode
2017-02-05T07:46:35 < dongs> then i can stick those into wolframalpha
2017-02-05T07:46:37 < dongs> and make a fit curve
2017-02-05T07:46:44 < dongs> holy shit
2017-02-05T07:46:45 < dongs> mind: blown
2017-02-05T07:46:50 < ohsix> a fitler curve
2017-02-05T07:46:54 < upgrdman> hmm i wonder if youtube can edit that for me
2017-02-05T07:47:05 < dongs> protip of the day goes to aandrew , not AMP!six
2017-02-05T07:47:12 < ohsix> what do you edit with upgrdman 
2017-02-05T07:47:16 < emeb_mac> amp hour?
2017-02-05T07:47:22 < dongs> emeb_mac: nope
2017-02-05T07:47:28 < ohsix> joules
2017-02-05T07:47:35 < emeb_mac> volts/ohms
2017-02-05T07:47:46 < aandrew> lol
2017-02-05T07:47:50 < ohsix> jerks per meters per  second per meters squared
2017-02-05T07:48:02 < emeb_mac> no, that's faps
2017-02-05T07:48:03 < aandrew> jerks per meter is a pretty decent metric on irc
2017-02-05T07:48:28 < emeb_mac> the family joules
2017-02-05T07:48:29 < upgrdman> ohsix, premiere elements. i had the audio at 6dB gain, which wasnt enough
2017-02-05T07:48:40 < ohsix> o
2017-02-05T07:48:47 < jadew> lol emeb_mac 
2017-02-05T07:48:50 < ohsix> adding gain is usally a losing proposition
2017-02-05T07:48:53 < upgrdman> i should buy a non-ship lapelle mic
2017-02-05T07:48:57 < upgrdman> but too cheap to do it
2017-02-05T07:48:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: do you has mi ... k
2017-02-05T07:49:02 < upgrdman> *non-shit
2017-02-05T07:49:03 < ohsix> sec i got u bruh
2017-02-05T07:49:09 < PeterM> dont you hate it when its summer but you have shit to do that is hot work?
2017-02-05T07:49:34 < jadew> PeterM, depends what you're drinking with that
2017-02-05T07:49:38 < upgrdman> heh, already got one downvote on my vid. lol
2017-02-05T07:49:51 < emeb_mac> PeterM: a few years back it was summer and > 44C out. I was testing 100W RF PAs in my office
2017-02-05T07:50:08 < PeterM> jadew,  i was doing to metal fab and shit in the shed, today its 40c
2017-02-05T07:50:10 < emeb_mac> the A/C was struggling to keep the temp in my office below 90F
2017-02-05T07:50:41 < PeterM> drinking doesnt really help that :(
2017-02-05T07:50:51 < emeb_mac> cold beer?
2017-02-05T07:51:04 < jadew> the feeling you get from a cold beer is amplified by how hot it's around you
2017-02-05T07:51:06 < PeterM> i am enjoying
2017-02-05T07:51:10 < ohsix> i have clothes designed to be sweat in
2017-02-05T07:51:15 < PeterM> a nice cold
2017-02-05T07:51:23 < ohsix> still sucks but slightly less
2017-02-05T07:52:18 < emeb_mac> or move to the northern hemisphere during Nov-March
2017-02-05T07:52:27 < PeterM> Brewed for classic refreshment
2017-02-05T07:52:30 < PeterM> (F)
2017-02-05T07:52:34 < PeterM> FOSTERS
2017-02-05T07:52:36 < PeterM> CLASSIC
2017-02-05T07:52:43 < emeb_mac> kangaroo whiz
2017-02-05T07:53:20 < emeb_mac> they export it because aussies won't drink it
2017-02-05T07:53:56 < PeterM> tbh, i think its pretty decent
2017-02-05T07:54:04 < PeterM> its defs better than some beer ive had
2017-02-05T07:54:28 < PeterM> like, TUN
2017-02-05T07:54:32 < PeterM> its fucking disgusting
2017-02-05T07:54:55 < emeb_mac> Now all the trumpetts are boycotting Budweiser
2017-02-05T07:55:45 < aandrew> whoa what
2017-02-05T07:55:49 < PeterM> whats that?
2017-02-05T07:55:56 < aandrew> trump supporters boycotting budweiser? I do NOT believe that
2017-02-05T07:56:11 < aandrew> that's like their ambrosia
2017-02-05T07:56:15 < ohsix> because they won't boycott the superbowl
2017-02-05T07:56:23 < aandrew> lol boycot the superbowlllllllllll
2017-02-05T07:56:34 < aandrew> I don't believe any trump supporter is boycotting the superbowl either
2017-02-05T07:56:36 < ohsix> there's a commercial about adolphus busch emmigrating to the US
2017-02-05T07:56:43 < aandrew> that's like a trump supporter boycotting WWE
2017-02-05T07:57:03 < ohsix> people are calling it a performance political piece
2017-02-05T07:57:30 < ohsix> uno what is great about that? you can float an idea on twitter and keep track of the dullards that responded
2017-02-05T07:57:38 < PeterM> vince mcmahon for president
2017-02-05T07:57:38 < ohsix> that info is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2017-02-05T07:57:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: messaged junk
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2017-02-05T08:33:57 < upgrdman> heh, made a super shit pc microphone -> DC to 5V amp.
2017-02-05T08:34:17 < upgrdman> arduino uno seems to max out at like 1kSPS on it's ADC
2017-02-05T08:34:20 < upgrdman> such aids
2017-02-05T08:34:36 < upgrdman> but waterfall charts looks decent when i make a stupid police siren sound
2017-02-05T08:34:47 < upgrdman> ~~~ in the waterfall chart :)
2017-02-05T08:36:37 < dongs> yeah avr ads is complete trash
2017-02-05T08:36:48 < dongs> even the one in  cortex parts is garbage
2017-02-05T08:36:52 < dongs> like 1msps max
2017-02-05T08:37:00 < dongs> F1 was like 5-7msps??
2017-02-05T08:37:08 < dongs> er, ads = adc
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2017-02-05T08:45:15 < dongs> if (x == 7 || x == 15 || x == 23 || x == 31 || x == 39 || x == 47) {
2017-02-05T08:45:16 < dongs> ....
2017-02-05T08:45:18 < dongs> lol @ this code.
2017-02-05T08:45:34 < dongs> yes, its mod8
2017-02-05T08:48:57 < upgrdman> who wrote that. fellow japs?
2017-02-05T08:51:18 < dongs> yes
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2017-02-05T09:41:27 < dongs> englishman: no stock on 746 either
2017-02-05T09:55:46 < ohsix> did i mention that one of the companies i've worked with is making 1m/month+ on linuxcnc
2017-02-05T09:56:16 < ohsix> i'm lollin tho they're growing so fast i might end up working there
2017-02-05T10:03:04 < upgrdman> lol, the mic amp i made fucking works!   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdiZgOFtgiU
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2017-02-05T10:13:37 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-05T10:14:19 < psprint> dongs: about somewhat or fully useful arduino shields: http://uk.farnell.com/rf-solutions/gamma-ard/arduino-shield-868mhz-telemetry/dp/2500109
2017-02-05T10:15:03 < psprint> wonder if it would work, Arduino is 5V, ST should just test the shields and make a list of working ones, it's no-money for them
2017-02-05T10:16:10 < dongs> psprint: http://gushh.net/tmp/arduinoshield.png this is the only useful arduinoshield in existenec
2017-02-05T10:17:18 < psprint> doesn't load
2017-02-05T10:17:24 < dongs> bullshit
2017-02-05T10:17:26 < dongs> i just loaded it
2017-02-05T10:19:12 < psprint> no go for me
2017-02-05T10:19:33 < upgrdman> loads for me
2017-02-05T10:19:37 < upgrdman> fix your internet
2017-02-05T10:20:49 < psprint> google returns multiple irc logs from here with mostly one person, when searching for url
2017-02-05T10:22:52 < dongs> fine ill rehost it for your poor asss
2017-02-05T10:22:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QYiWmci.png
2017-02-05T10:23:01 < dongs> how about this
2017-02-05T10:24:22 < psprint> I guess PCB reading skills are needed, but it looks like 3 holes nothing more :)
2017-02-05T10:27:22 < upgrdman> its a fucking mains ac socket
2017-02-05T10:27:30 < dongs> psprint isn't very bright
2017-02-05T10:27:31 < upgrdman> so you can esplode the faggotduino
2017-02-05T10:29:20 < psprint> it rather doesn't resemble mains socket in europe, but I get the idea now
2017-02-05T10:35:56 < psprint> Guys just think what you could do if you plug this into Nucleo board: http://imgur.com/a/bpnrz
2017-02-05T10:36:19 < psprint> are there any ST alternatives? I don't think so.. Arduino compatibility allows to use wide range of proto shields
2017-02-05T10:36:46 < dongs> pro...whats?
2017-02-05T10:36:55 < dongs> i make PCBs
2017-02-05T10:37:08 < dongs> why would i fuck around with a fucking tarduino shield
2017-02-05T10:38:35 < dongs> more like autismextreme?
2017-02-05T10:39:11 < dongs> autism is 41 mins idle
2017-02-05T10:42:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> psprint: that might fit the nucelo, but why?
2017-02-05T10:43:01 < dongs> in RUst, right
2017-02-05T10:43:13 < dongs> has autism produced anything other than non-stop chats
2017-02-05T10:43:35 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: no idea. when I prototype wiht nucleo i just connect thin jumper cables to whatever shit anduse it
2017-02-05T10:43:39 < dongs> wh the ufck would i need a SHIELD
2017-02-05T10:43:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/g6Lsuva.jpg
2017-02-05T10:43:59 < dongs> like this is hte PRO WAY
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2017-02-05T10:50:09 < psprint> Jak_o_Shadows: to avoid jumper wires, it's a show stopper for me, and with arduino proto-shield, and ribbon cable, 8x2 header, I will have super clean connection between rgb led matrix, and stm: https://learn.adafruit.com/32x16-32x32-rgb-led-matrix/connecting-using-a-proto-shield
2017-02-05T10:52:14 < psprint> I've verified that Arduino ST Zio subset will not collide with DCMI: http://imgur.com/N2G3ET1
2017-02-05T10:52:15 < dongs> fucking wank
2017-02-05T10:52:17 < dongs> is what it is
2017-02-05T10:54:46 < psprint> love ribbon cables, would order 5 of them if would realise that when ordering, three 15 cm, two 10 cm
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2017-02-05T10:56:29 < psprint> ST should include like 12x2 header on say nucleo, with some alternate functions configuration, which CPU pin goes where hehe ;]
2017-02-05T11:05:15 < dongs> ST should rty acutally fuckigng labeling pins on the 2x?? connecetors on nucleo
2017-02-05T11:05:19 < dongs> acutally 144-nucleo has it labeled
2017-02-05T11:05:24 < dongs> the 413ZI thing I found today
2017-02-05T11:05:32 < dongs> but 64pin one didn't
2017-02-05T11:05:34 < dongs> in my pic
2017-02-05T11:05:40 < dongs> s i had to print the fucking list out
2017-02-05T11:05:43 < dongs> to actually match pins to shit
2017-02-05T11:05:49 < dongs> and I dont need fucking faggotduino names for pins either
2017-02-05T11:06:01 < dongs> PAx PBx shit i dont need D7 D5 tarduino crap
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2017-02-05T11:17:54 < psprint> I can get NUCLEO-F334R8 in price of 2 ribbon 10 cm cables. Should have learned some business, go to camps or something
2017-02-05T11:19:18 < psprint> like in South Park: "– Dad how come prices in Wall Mart are so low? – It's simple economics my son, I don't understand it at all, but God I love it"
2017-02-05T11:19:44 < ohsix> if you find a company that wants to subsidise you having cables, you can get them for free
2017-02-05T11:19:47 < ohsix> which is way cheaper
2017-02-05T11:21:17 < ohsix> upgrdman: is the doodad near 4k7 the mic?
2017-02-05T11:21:33 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-05T11:21:54 < psprint> ohsix: you talking about free samples?
2017-02-05T11:22:08 < ohsix> what is the signal after the other 4k7 when the mic is biased
2017-02-05T11:22:35 < ohsix> psprint: well, i was talking about subsidizing development boards, st can do it at cost
2017-02-05T11:24:26 < upgrdman> ohsix, ? so the mic is biased with 4k7 to 5v. then ac coupled to the op amp. the other 4k7 and 200k are feedback resistors.
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2017-02-05T11:27:50 < ohsix> i've turned off my brain for the night and i dont' want to calculate the gain, man
2017-02-05T11:27:52 < upgrdman> ohsix, its basically this, but using just one op amp, and using the passive values i had laying around   https://i.stack.imgur.com/0Op10.gif
2017-02-05T11:28:11 < psprint> I dream of ultra low power msp430, and this low power distance meter https://www.sparkfun.com/products/639
2017-02-05T11:28:55 < ohsix> hrm
2017-02-05T11:28:57 < upgrdman> 43.5x gain if my math is right
2017-02-05T11:28:59 < ohsix> ya word
2017-02-05T11:29:01 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-05T11:29:35 < upgrdman> with an mcp6002 op amp
2017-02-05T11:29:44 < ohsix> nerdddddddddddddddd microchip suxxx
2017-02-05T11:29:50 < ohsix> nice, i have some of those somewhere
2017-02-05T11:29:55 < upgrdman> so i could have used both op amps, but fuck it, this is just for a tech demo for new Telemetry Viewer video
2017-02-05T11:35:01 < psprint> ohsix: for the subsidiary, I should have a company and aim at earning, correct? I think a bias here is involved, I might perceive my projects as importand but all this is ridiculous, I don't deserve anything
2017-02-05T11:41:51 < zhivko> psprint: why dont they specify precission?
2017-02-05T11:42:14 < psprint> zhivko: for the distance meter?
2017-02-05T11:42:18 < zhivko> yes
2017-02-05T11:43:37 < psprint> I don't know, but am into this part because it draws 2 mA, while typical sensor used with arduino – HC-SR04 – 15 mA
2017-02-05T11:45:15 < psprint> hm wonder where I've found info about the 2 mA, it isn't that clear from data sheet
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2017-02-05T11:45:56 < psprint> hm no, data sheet says "typical current draw 2 mA"
2017-02-05T11:46:28 < dongs> lol ultrasonic
2017-02-05T11:46:35 < dongs> better stop before you start
2017-02-05T11:51:11 < psprint> zhivko: "Resolution 1 inch" – in the selection guide, other models have 1 cm: http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Sensors/Proximity/Sensor_Selection_Guide.pdf
2017-02-05T12:02:31 < psprint> Bluetooth LE extension, original ST, they say it's Arduino connector or "user can mount ST Morpho connectors, if required", so apparently 2 ways of connecting this. I never understood how one can STACK such shields, datasheet says it's possible with this board
2017-02-05T12:02:33 < psprint> http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/x-nucleo-idb05a1/expansion-board-bluetooth-low/dp/2664525
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2017-02-05T12:05:16 < dongs> http://acko.net/blog/going-to-the-us-sucks/ haha what a faggot
2017-02-05T12:07:34 < ohsix> acko.net rulz
2017-02-05T12:07:45 < ohsix> if you're looking for shit, it's on there, that isn't it
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2017-02-05T12:31:02 < psprint> I will browse on Farnell all distinct arduino proto shields and add them to cart, and then save it as a wish list and/or knowledge base ;)
2017-02-05T12:31:23 < psprint> they luckily have save cart functionality
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2017-02-05T12:39:13 < psprint> haha a "LabKit" for $1300: http://www.newark.com/arduino/k000005/dev-kit-arduino-uno-150pieces/dp/78T2134
2017-02-05T12:42:28 < ReadError> no.
2017-02-05T12:45:01 < ReadError> I Was Hitlers Jewish Neighbour 2013 HDTV x264-CBFM 
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2017-02-05T13:17:42 < Kliment> psprint: They have passthrough headers and you can stack them as long as there are no pin conflicts
2017-02-05T13:18:15 < Kliment> psprint: For example, there is the sensor shield from ST that has a bunch of sensors on the i2c bus
2017-02-05T13:18:51 < Kliment> psprint: And the BLE shield uses spi+interrupt on different pins
2017-02-05T13:19:24 < Kliment> psprint: Make sure the BLE shield is on top so you don't shade the antenna
2017-02-05T13:21:24 < Kliment> psprint: There are also solder jumpers on the BLE shield so you can move the interrupt and slave select signals to other pins if you have a conflict, or if you want to use two of them in the same device for some reason
2017-02-05T13:21:26 < psprint> X-NUCLEO-IKS01A1 would be the sensors one
2017-02-05T13:21:31 < Kliment> psprint: Yeah
2017-02-05T13:23:48 < psprint> good thing about the jumpers for tuning pins
2017-02-05T13:25:14 < psprint> I've found very fancy arduino proto shield, it has "Nokia 5110", "LCM 1602", SPI on it, and optional plastic board, very strange IMO, but maybe it has some use: https://core-electronics.com.au/protoshield-mini-breadboard-for-arduino.html
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2017-02-05T13:39:18 < psprint> just read that there are some XNucleo boards, in general more feature packed
2017-02-05T13:40:05 < psprint> than Nucleo
2017-02-05T13:41:03 < ReadError> ?
2017-02-05T13:41:35 < psprint> XNUCLEO-F103RB
2017-02-05T13:42:38 < ReadError> oh waveshare shit
2017-02-05T13:43:01 < ReadError> only 2-3x the price
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2017-02-05T13:56:20 < psprint> the pins are directed upwards, that's a drawback, I'll be making pcb with connectors for those pins, to put Nucleo on top
2017-02-05T13:58:59 < ReadError> uh wat
2017-02-05T14:01:31 < psprint> the outer pins, not sure if they called ST Morpho
2017-02-05T14:02:27 < psprint> https://botland.com.pl/16719-thickbox_default/xnucleo-f103rb-stm32f103rbt6-arm-cortex-m0.jpg
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2017-02-05T14:36:41 < Steffanx> \o
2017-02-05T14:44:13 < psprint> I can imagine small shields on large thing like Arduino Mega, this would be problem-free approach to attach multiple shields https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7079/7338705928_2be454878a_b.jpg
2017-02-05T15:24:10 < psprint> Weird, I read this in detail, and found nowhere the pitch between pins on the bottom, or at least between holes in CN11, CN12, and document (UM) doesn't contain word "pitch": http://imgur.com/a/8Ad6T
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2017-02-05T15:29:34 < psprint> however my 2.54 mm pitch ribbon cable fits, so there's the answer..
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2017-02-05T16:15:50 < Steffanx> WHY st.com is so fucking awfully slow.
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2017-02-05T16:21:29 < zyp> Steffanx, so you have time to relax
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2017-02-05T16:49:15 < Steffanx> I cannot relax while waiting for the login page to finish loading zyp
2017-02-05T16:49:26 < Steffanx> > frustration
2017-02-05T16:49:55 < zyp> why are you in such a hurry?
2017-02-05T16:53:15 < emeb_mac> we're trained from birth to expect instant gratification
2017-02-05T16:54:03 < englishman> they should use google AMP to accelerate their pages
2017-02-05T16:59:51 < englishman> hm so f745/f746 not available
2017-02-05T17:00:08 < englishman> those are the only ones with 1mb flash and qfp100
2017-02-05T17:01:52 < englishman> no, theres f756, f765, f767
2017-02-05T17:02:33 < Steffanx> No, my attention span is very low. I need a website to be fast or ill forget about it while doing something else :P
2017-02-05T17:02:37 < englishman> oh, 756 is the crypto version
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2017-02-05T17:03:02 < Steffanx> Will they export that to canada?
2017-02-05T17:03:33 < englishman> digikey is pretty racist, so probably not
2017-02-05T17:03:55 < englishman> hm seems they do
2017-02-05T17:04:09 < englishman> but digikey also has f745
2017-02-05T17:15:53 < emeb_mac> I got a batch of F746 from Future in Canukistan a while back - they were selling the 100qfp parts for about $10 at the time but last I checked were out of stock.
2017-02-05T17:16:39 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/2slBaya.jpg
2017-02-05T17:17:13 < Laurenceb_>  Love thy neighbor... haha until he is in hell for eternity.
2017-02-05T17:18:45 < emeb_mac> lol - someone expected a consistent message from a religion.
2017-02-05T17:21:08 < Steffanx> zyp, you are on an older os x right? Older as in not most recent.
2017-02-05T17:21:14 < Steffanx> Do you happen to use skim as pdf reader?
2017-02-05T17:21:25 < zyp> no, I use preview
2017-02-05T17:21:33 < Steffanx> Ah, too bad.
2017-02-05T17:21:51 < zyp> what does preview lack? why would you even consider anything else?
2017-02-05T17:21:55 < englishman> emeb_mac: interestingly, future is in the building across the street, but they have me calling an office hundreds of miles away
2017-02-05T17:22:04 < englishman> same with arrow, they are one block over but have me calling nova scotia
2017-02-05T17:22:07 < englishman> 1000km away
2017-02-05T17:22:09 < emeb_mac> englishman: typical.
2017-02-05T17:22:35 < englishman> $10 is interesting
2017-02-05T17:22:45 < englishman> i will pursue this further
2017-02-05T17:23:00 < emeb_mac> yes - I haven't seen that price since I bought them about a year ago
2017-02-05T17:23:18 < emeb_mac> I suspect either an error or an incentive discount.
2017-02-05T17:23:18 < englishman> hm, 1 year and china doesnt have them yet
2017-02-05T17:25:59 < Steffanx> It lacked some featue i liked a lot about skim, but for some reason skim no longer has it, zyp  :P
2017-02-05T17:26:18 < zyp> which feature?
2017-02-05T17:27:20 < zyp> just curious what I'm potentially missing out on :p
2017-02-05T17:27:26 < Steffanx> It had some "history" in the index. The current item is blue, and the chapter/paragraph you visited before it a bit less blue etc. 
2017-02-05T17:27:38 < zyp> ah
2017-02-05T17:28:07 < Steffanx> Made it easy to move forth and back between the page(s) you were interested in
2017-02-05T17:28:27 < zyp> umm, looks like preview does that
2017-02-05T17:28:32 < zyp> cmd-shift-8/9
2017-02-05T17:28:55 < zyp> never used it, never knew it existed, but hey
2017-02-05T17:29:33 < Steffanx> yes, but i liked the visual part of it
2017-02-05T17:32:20 < zhivko> can somebody recommend 200uF / 50V low esr capacitors ? good price performance ?
2017-02-05T17:32:36 < zhivko> polar
2017-02-05T17:35:34 < englishman> emeb_mac: digikey currently has those at $12 for 512k or $14.7 for 1mb
2017-02-05T17:35:36 < englishman> so not too far off
2017-02-05T17:35:43 < englishman> in singles
2017-02-05T17:36:54 < Laurenceb_> attn Germ-mans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3mzFJAcfEc
2017-02-05T17:37:07 < englishman> also: lol rip oculus
2017-02-05T17:37:27 < Steffanx> Whats new englishman?
2017-02-05T17:37:47 < englishman> gotta give 1/2 billion bux to fallout devs
2017-02-05T17:37:58 < Steffanx> Ah yes, read about that
2017-02-05T17:38:10 < englishman> luckey is going to have to downsize his boat
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2017-02-05T17:47:45 < emeb_mac> englishman: not bad. does seem like I got a smokin' deal on that first batch I bought tho.
2017-02-05T17:47:53 < englishman> yeah
2017-02-05T17:47:56 < englishman> what did you use it for?
2017-02-05T17:48:06 < englishman> aka, link to blog plz
2017-02-05T17:48:17 < emeb_mac> hadn't blogged that project
2017-02-05T17:48:21 < englishman> :o
2017-02-05T17:48:56 < emeb_mac> but basically I just re-did this one with the proper pinout for F7 -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stbone/index.html
2017-02-05T17:49:20 < englishman> st claims pin-for-pin compatibility but i know what that means...
2017-02-05T17:49:48 < zyp> englishman, the problem is, st doesn't.
2017-02-05T17:49:56 < emeb_mac> not on the 100 pin
2017-02-05T17:50:06 < emeb_mac> there are like 4 power pins that are different
2017-02-05T17:50:20 < zyp> hang on, I was reading a DS yesterday
2017-02-05T17:50:29 < englishman> STM32F7 series is pin-to-pin compatible with the STM32F4 series*
2017-02-05T17:50:29 < englishman> * Note: see datasheet for the specific case of 64- and 100-pin packages
2017-02-05T17:50:30 < englishman> hmm
2017-02-05T17:50:33 < emeb_mac> or maybe the shifted the entire bottom side over one pin
2017-02-05T17:50:34 < englishman> lame.
2017-02-05T17:50:51 < emeb_mac> anyway - needed to redo the PCB for it, but it wasn't a big change.
2017-02-05T17:50:57 < englishman> ok, interesting
2017-02-05T17:51:29 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NZfiV.png
2017-02-05T17:51:47 < emeb_mac> the StdPeriph -> HAL change was more of a nuisance.
2017-02-05T17:51:55 < zyp> «fully pin-to-pin compatible» «Pins 19 to 49 are not compatible»
2017-02-05T17:52:02 < zyp> wtf have they been smoking
2017-02-05T17:52:05 < englishman> lol
2017-02-05T17:55:09 < zyp> F722 isn't compatible with F723 either
2017-02-05T17:55:41 < zyp> they've replaced some pins with pins for the HS PHY, and shifted a bunch of other pins again
2017-02-05T17:55:46 < emeb_mac> gah
2017-02-05T17:55:58 < emeb_mac> well, small price to pay for the HS PHY
2017-02-05T17:56:25 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/KnCx1.png
2017-02-05T17:56:27 < zyp> true
2017-02-05T17:56:48 < zyp> the worse part is that it's only available in retarded packages
2017-02-05T17:56:53 < englishman> more like OTG_HS_REKT
2017-02-05T17:57:05 < zyp> i.e. only qfp144/qfp176 and retardedbga
2017-02-05T17:57:17 < emeb_mac> "compatible"
2017-02-05T17:57:18 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-02-05T17:57:23 < englishman> qfp144 isnt that retarded
2017-02-05T17:57:47 < zyp> it's fucking huge, especially if you only need HS USB and a few other IO
2017-02-05T17:57:54 < emeb_mac> I've been involved in writing datasheets for parts before - once the marketing dept. gets involved all bets are off.
2017-02-05T17:59:35 < zyp> englishman, imagine something like a SD card reader; HS USB and SDIO
2017-02-05T17:59:43 < zyp> that should fit easily in qfp64
2017-02-05T18:01:23 < englishman> thats just ST being retarded with pinouts as usual right
2017-02-05T18:01:40 < englishman> it must be really hard to implement a psoc-style or silabs-style crossbar
2017-02-05T18:06:35 < emeb_mac> has anyone seen an F72x yet?
2017-02-05T18:07:20 < emeb_mac> ST says Q1 2017 which probably means it shows up @ DK / Mouser in the summer I guess.
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2017-02-05T18:08:04 < zyp> mouser says 13 weeks
2017-02-05T18:08:51 < emeb_mac> yeah - they've been saying that since Dec when I first heard of these
2017-02-05T18:08:59 < emeb_mac> I suspect that's boilerplate
2017-02-05T18:09:04 < zyp> fair
2017-02-05T18:09:11 < englishman> pretty sure digikey and mauser both put 13 weeks when they have no clue
2017-02-05T18:09:42 < emeb_mac> future also says 13wks
2017-02-05T18:10:06 < emeb_mac> $6.29/qty960 for the 64-pin
2017-02-05T18:10:25 < emeb_mac> probably means that the qty1 price will be $8-9 or so
2017-02-05T18:10:31 < englishman> arrow's site failed to load and gave me feline aids
2017-02-05T18:10:42 < emeb_mac> internet of cats
2017-02-05T18:12:31 < englishman> limited to 512k is annoying
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2017-02-05T18:21:53 < Steffanx> better and qspi flash englishman
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2017-02-05T19:45:07 < Tectu> Hello, Mr. R2COM
2017-02-05T19:45:17 < Tectu> How´s Trumpland today?
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2017-02-05T20:09:26 < Tectu> is there something special about this one or have you just never seen Google Cardboard before?
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2017-02-05T20:18:56 < Steffanx> It's funny for a while, but it'll get boring very soon after that
2017-02-05T20:19:10 < englishman> like trump in the white house
2017-02-05T20:19:41 < Steffanx> Yep
2017-02-05T20:24:33 < Steffanx> No can do.
2017-02-05T20:29:18 < englishman> he's not living up to his promise of being entertaining as fuck
2017-02-05T20:30:04 < englishman> dongs, too bad you bought that piece of shit dell http://hackaday.com/2017/02/05/olimex-announces-their-open-source-laptop/
2017-02-05T20:39:05 < Steffanx> allwhiner..
2017-02-05T20:47:12 < zyp> you know, version doesn't necessarily imply speed
2017-02-05T20:47:57 < zyp> 3.1 added the SS+ mode, but I'm not sure every 3.1-compliant device has to support SS+
2017-02-05T20:48:11 < zyp> just like how 2.0 devices doesn't have to support HS
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2017-02-05T20:56:04 < jadew> shit is getting serious in here, ~400k people protesting in the street atm
2017-02-05T20:57:38 < Steffanx> Why? What's happening in romania jadew?
2017-02-05T20:58:26 < jadew> politicians passing favorable laws for themselves
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2017-02-05T20:58:50 < jadew> the demand is for the whole government to be replaced
2017-02-05T20:59:21 < Steffanx> Arab spring in romania?
2017-02-05T20:59:31 < jadew> heh, we had ours
2017-02-05T20:59:35 < jadew> it's very peaceful
2017-02-05T21:00:49 < jadew> http://www.digi24.ro/live/digi24
2017-02-05T21:01:35 < zyp> more people than trump's inagueration
2017-02-05T21:02:00 < jadew> heh
2017-02-05T21:02:17 < Steffanx> Was waiting for that comment :P
2017-02-05T21:02:31 < zyp> R2COM, wtf, take a joke man
2017-02-05T21:02:42 < Steffanx> R2COM is a bit touchy about trump :P
2017-02-05T21:03:55 < zyp> jadew, the noise reminds me of televised ski runs, spectators tends to sound like that
2017-02-05T21:03:58 < zyp> just missing the cowbells
2017-02-05T21:04:01 < zyp> oh, there it is
2017-02-05T21:04:06 < zyp> haha
2017-02-05T21:04:08 < jadew> R2COM, I don't have enough info
2017-02-05T21:04:54 < Steffanx> 250k, not 400k says your local TV station jadew..
2017-02-05T21:05:08 < jadew> Steffanx, that's in my city alone
2017-02-05T21:05:15 < jadew> 400k across the country
2017-02-05T21:05:15 < Steffanx> achso
2017-02-05T21:05:21 < Laurenceb_> <Steffanx> Arab spring in romania?
2017-02-05T21:05:25 < Laurenceb_> so ISIS rite?
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2017-02-05T21:11:14 < zyp> because that's how much they can charge for them
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2017-02-05T21:15:52 < zyp> it won't, no pcb engineers use iphones
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2017-02-05T21:35:10 < jadew> R2COM, if you're looking for the very cheap, seek thermal is what I use
2017-02-05T21:35:48 < jadew> sucks compared to flir, but I think that's because of the higher temperature range
2017-02-05T21:36:23 < jadew> you will get good temperature info tho
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2017-02-05T21:38:46 < jadew> it's not as good as flir
2017-02-05T21:39:03 < jadew> like, more noisy
2017-02-05T21:45:27 < jadew> R2COM, http://5.12.8.185/stuff/seek/img_thermal_1433941177570.png
2017-02-05T21:45:53 < jadew> http://5.12.8.185/stuff/seek/img_thermal_1433939777425.jpg
2017-02-05T21:46:25 < jadew> I managed to get this with my own software: http://5.12.8.185/stuff/seek/ThermalView1.png
2017-02-05T21:46:32 < jadew> http://5.12.8.185/stuff/seek/ThermalView2.png
2017-02-05T21:47:08 < jadew> pretty sure I got better images than that, but that's all I could find
2017-02-05T21:47:17 < jadew> still, you get the idea
2017-02-05T21:48:15 < jadew> oh, you have that
2017-02-05T21:48:17 < jadew> cool
2017-02-05T21:48:59 < jadew> depends how you look at it
2017-02-05T21:49:06 < jadew> it's not as noisy, but the resolution is lower
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2017-02-05T21:50:23 < jadew> 80x60 vs 206x156
2017-02-05T21:50:40 < jadew> you can probably get more done with the seek
2017-02-05T21:51:02 < zyp> what about that thermapp thing?
2017-02-05T21:51:14 < jadew> isn't that like $900?
2017-02-05T21:51:19 < zyp> idk
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2017-02-05T21:52:08 < jadew> that thing is awesome
2017-02-05T21:52:44 < jadew> "NOW AVAILABLE FOR A LIMITED TIME AT $999"
2017-02-05T21:53:26 < dongs> englishman: yeah LOL
2017-02-05T21:53:32 < Laurenceb_> http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2297.jpg
2017-02-05T21:53:34 < dongs> lemme get another useless ARM shitbox
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2017-02-05T22:00:25 < jadew> R2COM, http://5.12.8.185/stuff/seek/tv3.png
2017-02-05T22:00:59 < jadew> http://5.12.8.185/stuff/seek/tv4.png
2017-02-05T22:02:00 < jadew> I knew I managed to get much better images out of it
2017-02-05T22:02:35 < jadew> really?
2017-02-05T22:03:04 < jadew> if you want better you'll have to come up with 1k and get the therm app I guess
2017-02-05T22:03:24 < jadew> or maybe seek came up with a better version in the meantime
2017-02-05T22:03:56 < jadew> btw, what you're looking at is an area of 38mm x 28mm
2017-02-05T22:04:11 < jadew> the IC is a QFN32 with 0.5 mm pitch
2017-02-05T22:05:25 < jadew> I'd say it's decent, definitely enough to figure out the hotspots and what you can do to fix it
2017-02-05T22:06:29 < Laurenceb_> bear in mind that emissivity may differ quite a lot between surfaces
2017-02-05T22:12:49 < jadew> R2COM, btw, this is one of the best images I was able to get from the phone at that time: http://5.12.8.185/stuff/seek/seekthermal-phone.png
2017-02-05T22:13:06 < jadew> compared to that, those images are freaking awesome
2017-02-05T22:13:48 < jadew> I wonder if they improved it
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2017-02-05T22:27:50 < upgrdman> wtf. one of my youtube viewers wrote " If you could help me to conclude my project I will be very grateful  and perhaps we can collaborate. I am not a programmer but medical electronic engineer. What I need to do is a device that it will be controlled from the PC and transmit the data (amplitude, frequency etc) to a device implanted in the body. If you could provide me the program in any language and electronics that would be lovely. If you 
2017-02-05T22:27:50 < upgrdman> could join into my project you are welcomed. Kind regards" ... i sure as fuck hope he doesnt work in the medical community
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2017-02-05T22:31:40 < Gerritjan> Can sombody help me with thi sproblem i habe check the Hal file and checked if its comment out but it not but still its undefined reference to `HAL_UART_Init'
2017-02-05T22:32:32 < PeterM> upgrdman delete the comment like it never existed
2017-02-05T22:33:03 < Gerritjan> http://pastebin.com/TNEhuj7H
2017-02-05T22:33:07 < Gerritjan> this is the code im using
2017-02-05T22:33:12 < Lux> upgrdman: i bet he does...
2017-02-05T22:33:12 < Fleck> I habe? :)
2017-02-05T22:34:04 < Fleck> Gerritjan: did you check your hal config file? enabled uart there?
2017-02-05T22:34:57 < Gerritjan> #define HAL_UART_MODULE_ENABLED is enabled
2017-02-05T22:35:14 < Gerritjan> Also  USART
2017-02-05T22:35:17 < Fleck> and added uart .c in your build?
2017-02-05T22:35:58 < Fleck> stm32....hal_uart.c
2017-02-05T22:36:03 < Gerritjan> euhm nope but its in the _initialize_hardware.c file
2017-02-05T22:36:53 < Fleck> what I am saying is that, your linked has no clue what/where HAL_UART_Init is
2017-02-05T22:37:03 < Fleck> err, *linker
2017-02-05T22:37:12 < Gerritjan> Fleck: Do i need to add the conf file to the _initialize_hardware.c?
2017-02-05T22:37:21 < Gerritjan> include i mean
2017-02-05T22:37:57 < Fleck> it's a .h
2017-02-05T22:38:26 < Gerritjan> and in conf is the include to the uart file
2017-02-05T22:38:57 < Fleck> line 3 in your paste includes config
2017-02-05T22:39:09 < Fleck> _hal.h includes conf file also
2017-02-05T22:40:29 < Fleck> are you using some kind of IDE Gerritjan?
2017-02-05T22:40:33 < Gerritjan> eclipse
2017-02-05T22:42:42 < Gerritjan> Fleck: Why?
2017-02-05T22:44:21 < Fleck> well, it seems you did not add hal_uart.c in your build, dunno how it's done in eclipse, maybe somebody who does - can help you
2017-02-05T22:44:29 < Fleck> somewhere in build options or...
2017-02-05T22:46:13 < Gerritjan> oke
2017-02-05T22:46:37 < Gerritjan> hmm because i did add the include straight away to the file and still the same :D
2017-02-05T22:47:56 < Tectu> as Fleck mentioned this is not about an include but about supplying the file that contains the actual implementation of the function to the compiler/linker
2017-02-05T22:48:19 < Gerritjan> Fleck: true i see when i build the project that the file is not include to build
2017-02-05T22:52:07 < Fleck> guten tag Tectu!
2017-02-05T22:52:53 < Tectu> Guten Tag, Mr. Fleck
2017-02-05T22:57:32 < Steffanx> Warum sprechst du Deutsch?
2017-02-05T22:57:43 < Fleck> why not?
2017-02-05T23:00:04 < Steffanx> Now you just act like a kid Fleck :P
2017-02-05T23:00:13 < Fleck> ok
2017-02-05T23:00:35 < Steffanx> Hows the snow cam?
2017-02-05T23:00:52 < Fleck> almost no snow ;(
2017-02-05T23:01:12 < Fleck> somebody plays with bride lights tho :p
2017-02-05T23:01:16 < Fleck> http://fleck.rullz.lv/skatcam/viewcam.php?cam=1
2017-02-05T23:01:20 < Fleck> lol...
2017-02-05T23:01:30 < Fleck> maybe hacked? :P
2017-02-05T23:02:12 < Fleck> ahh, no more it seems
2017-02-05T23:11:24 < Fleck> Gerritjan: how is it going? found where to add sources?
2017-02-05T23:11:46 < Gerritjan> Fleck: i did check the linker and the dir is in there
2017-02-05T23:12:00 < Gerritjan> but still the error :S
2017-02-05T23:12:32 < englishman> dongs: https://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp11247/lot-712d33bd-5e52-4675-9fd9-a70b00ad2a09
2017-02-05T23:12:59 < englishman> https://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/timed/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp11247
2017-02-05T23:13:55 < englishman> 3802 qty PIC32MZ for $1200 britbux
2017-02-05T23:14:23 < englishman> 14000 microSD connectors for $180
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2017-02-05T23:15:00 < englishman> those lantronix modules are in there
2017-02-05T23:15:07 < zyp> is that still leftover zano inventory?
2017-02-05T23:15:51 < englishman> yes
2017-02-05T23:16:25 < englishman> 35,000 450mAh lipos for $2k
2017-02-05T23:16:31 < zyp> maybe I should buy the sd sockets, build a raid of them
2017-02-05T23:17:24 < Steffanx> and the xpicos for wifi connectivity
2017-02-05T23:17:40 < englishman> could make the first wireless microsd raid array
2017-02-05T23:17:44 < Fleck> Gerritjan: I honestly don't know, I don't use eclipse, should be somewhere in the menus
2017-02-05T23:18:16 < Gerritjan> yes i did check the linker but its in there but i think i have the problem im testing it now
2017-02-05T23:18:30 < Steffanx> dont you need 31k motors englishman?
2017-02-05T23:18:43 < Steffanx> oh + 29k.
2017-02-05T23:18:45 < englishman> that would suck to bid and only get clockwise
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2017-02-05T23:44:05 < tpw_rules> so i'm looking for an stm32 for a battery operated sensor project. http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32l0-series/stm32l0x1/stm32l051k8.html looks pretty sexy
2017-02-05T23:44:13 < tpw_rules> are there any easily available demo boards?
2017-02-05T23:44:25 < Gerritjan> Can i use only code and not use STM32Cube?
2017-02-05T23:53:25 < Steffanx>  there are quiet a few discovery kits tpw_rules : http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits.html?querycriteria=productId=LN1848
2017-02-05T23:53:29 < Steffanx> and nucleo.
2017-02-05T23:58:45 < dongs> englishman: saw this morning, already bid on the leds
2017-02-05T23:59:03 < dongs> sike, jk
2017-02-05T23:59:37 < dongs> Steffanx: xpicos are fucking useless
2017-02-05T23:59:52 < dongs> like ~100kbps transfer rates max
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2017-02-06T00:00:05 < Steffanx> i didnt say they were useful, but .. you get a shitload of them :P
2017-02-06T00:00:21 < englishman> and you didnt even link it in ##stm32, asshole
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2017-02-06T00:13:12 < aandrew> opinion on pixhawk stuff?
2017-02-06T00:16:58 < tpw_rules> so the idea is that every chip in eg the stm32L0 family is compatible? 
2017-02-06T00:17:32 < tpw_rules> the discovery has a STM32L053C8T6 but if i want to use eg stm32l051k8 that's not an issue? what even is the difference
2017-02-06T00:22:23 < ohsix> http://www.techtools.expert/ lul .expert domain for your real business
2017-02-06T00:22:35 < ohsix> oh shit hahah 'innovation' is on there like 50 times
2017-02-06T00:23:05 < dongs> englishman: i was outside trolling
2017-02-06T00:23:21 < dongs> in -16C
2017-02-06T00:23:52 < ohsix> get this man a thesaurus
2017-02-06T00:25:25 < ohsix> workin' that emalz sending dem invoices
2017-02-06T00:28:31 < ReadError> in aLOLska ?
2017-02-06T00:28:46 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-06T00:29:07 < ReadError> brr fuck that
2017-02-06T00:29:31 < ohsix> it was -16 in bend a few days ago
2017-02-06T00:29:41 < ohsix> not that bad
2017-02-06T00:29:49 < ohsix> it's 8 today which is amaze tho
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2017-02-06T00:31:05 < zyp> dongs, I hear you're enjoying the winter
2017-02-06T00:31:35 < dongs> yea totally
2017-02-06T00:31:53 < zyp> tpw_rules, l051, l052 and l053 is subset/superset of features
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2017-02-06T00:32:27 < zyp> tpw_rules, 51 got the fewest periphs, 52 adds usb and maybe some other stuff, 53 adds capacitive touch and more
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2017-02-06T00:32:51 < dongs> junktouch
2017-02-06T00:33:23 < zyp> I prototyped shit on the 53 on the discovery, then used 52 on my own board
2017-02-06T00:33:29 < tpw_rules> ah ok
2017-02-06T00:33:50 < zyp> works fine as long as you're not using any of the periphs that will be missing
2017-02-06T00:33:56 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-02-06T00:34:20 < tpw_rules> so how's the software environment work? i have an nxp lpc-link which does cmsis-dap, will that work?
2017-02-06T00:34:36 < zyp> discovery comes with onboard st-link
2017-02-06T00:34:45 < tpw_rules> well for the future
2017-02-06T00:34:54 < tpw_rules> it says it's convertible into a standalone st-link board?
2017-02-06T00:34:55 < dongs> you can continue using it
2017-02-06T00:34:57 < zyp> but cmsis-dap will probably also work, assuming your host firmware can do stm32
2017-02-06T00:35:06 < zyp> host software*
2017-02-06T00:35:08 < dongs> just take out jumpers and connect to your board
2017-02-06T00:35:18 < dongs> what ever happened to cmsis-dap
2017-02-06T00:35:18 < tpw_rules> ok cool
2017-02-06T00:35:19 < zyp> also what dongs said
2017-02-06T00:35:22 < dongs> that shit was opensoresed and nobody cared
2017-02-06T00:35:35 < dongs> probly cuz: stm32-disco is $10
2017-02-06T00:35:43 < zyp> dongs, idk, i've just been using bmp
2017-02-06T00:35:51 < dongs> yea i know you like suffering
2017-02-06T00:36:03 < tpw_rules> what software do you guys use? nxp had some custom version of eclipse which worked pretty well
2017-02-06T00:36:08 < zyp> nah, I like finding something that works and sticking to it :p
2017-02-06T00:36:13 < dongs> tpw_rules: for F0? get free keil
2017-02-06T00:36:22 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/stmicroelectronics-stm32/mdk
2017-02-06T00:36:31 < dongs> don't even waste time wiht eclpise shit, this works out of the box
2017-02-06T00:36:32 < zyp> tpw_rules, vim, gcc, gdb
2017-02-06T00:36:42 < dongs> er L0, whatever
2017-02-06T00:37:03 < tpw_rules> i just want source level debugging cause i'm a pussy
2017-02-06T00:37:10 < dongs> keil does that
2017-02-06T00:37:12 < tpw_rules> okay cool
2017-02-06T00:37:13 < dongs> effortlessly.
2017-02-06T00:37:14 < tpw_rules> sounds good
2017-02-06T00:37:26 < dongs> no setup/fuckery needed.
2017-02-06T00:37:39 < dongs> would proby take you a day just to figure out how to connect gdb with eeclipse
2017-02-06T00:37:43 < dongs> and then its gui sucks dick
2017-02-06T00:37:49 < tpw_rules> well lpcxpresso did it effortlessly too
2017-02-06T00:37:57 < tpw_rules> but yes i agree
2017-02-06T00:38:16 < dongs> if you dont mind eclipse stuff, STSW32 or wahtever free shit ST is pushing as their IDE also SUPPOSED to work out of the box
2017-02-06T00:38:19 < dongs> tho it didnt for me
2017-02-06T00:38:25 < dongs> like, i had to edit some openocd .cfg file to enable stlink-v2 support
2017-02-06T00:38:26 < dongs> lole
2017-02-06T00:38:26 < tpw_rules> ok
2017-02-06T00:38:47 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/development-tools/sw4stm32.html
2017-02-06T00:38:48 < dongs> this
2017-02-06T00:38:49 < Gerritjan> Fleck: I solved it i needed to add the .c to the project its excluded from the project in eclipse
2017-02-06T00:39:06 < Fleck> cool! :)
2017-02-06T00:41:48 < dongs> return c*(t/=d)*t + b; wat?
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2017-02-06T00:55:11 < ohsix> ReadError: https://twitter.com/zackfox
2017-02-06T00:57:22 < upgrdman> nice baby shower cake   http://i.imgur.com/GxBPRDT.jpg
2017-02-06T00:58:19 < upgrdman> lol  https://i2.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/1-1.gif?zoom=2&resize=628%2C426
2017-02-06T01:12:56 < dongs> upgrdman: are you autisming
2017-02-06T01:13:40 < upgrdman> just a little bit
2017-02-06T01:14:38 < ohsix> dan harmon exercises on periscope
2017-02-06T01:14:39 < ohsix> and slays
2017-02-06T01:15:14 < ohsix> howru upgrdman 
2017-02-06T01:15:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, not bad
2017-02-06T01:16:20 < ohsix> werdup
2017-02-06T01:16:31 < ohsix> there was somethign i wanted to ask after you plopped last night but i can't remember
2017-02-06T01:16:46 < ohsix> that is how i know it was super important
2017-02-06T01:16:54 < upgrdman> lol k
2017-02-06T01:24:06 < ohsix> o shi new series of murder in successville
2017-02-06T01:25:16 < ohsix> ReadError: lul zach fox is gr8 https://twitter.com/zackfox/status/828318450300964864
2017-02-06T01:25:32 < ohsix> can't remember why i'm following him, friend of hannibal burress or something
2017-02-06T01:26:47 < dongs> haha
2017-02-06T01:26:50 < dongs> so zano used LSM9DS0TR
2017-02-06T01:26:54 < dongs> for gyro/mag/acc
2017-02-06T01:28:05 < dongs> hey wow its not a fucking SIP
2017-02-06T01:28:08 < ohsix> are you looking at the bom shit again
2017-02-06T01:28:12 < dongs> all registers are together
2017-02-06T01:28:13 < ohsix> or is there new news
2017-02-06T01:28:17 < dongs> and no separate SPI select pins
2017-02-06T01:28:23 < dongs> still muxed adc
2017-02-06T01:28:34 < dongs> i wonder why invenshit is the only company who did separate adc per each channel
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2017-02-06T01:29:24 < dongs> ah no STILL has separate cs for acc/mag and gyro
2017-02-06T01:29:28 < dongs> whyyyyy
2017-02-06T01:29:37 < dongs> fuck
2017-02-06T01:30:22 < dongs> eh no, never mind. the shit is still sip. everyhting is completely separate
2017-02-06T01:30:25  * dongs closes page
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2017-02-06T01:32:29 < ReadError> http://hepwori.github.io/execorder/
2017-02-06T01:35:17 < ohsix> Denmark's largest energy company DONG to stop using coal by 2023
2017-02-06T01:35:47 < ohsix> ReadError: http://basic.butt.care/~ohsix/images/peewee/
2017-02-06T01:35:56 < ohsix> http://basic.butt.care/~ohsix/images/peewee/?ZGlja2J1dHQ=
2017-02-06T01:36:27 < ohsix> -rw-r--r--   1 ohsix    users       33742 Jul  5  2004 hermcard.jpg
2017-02-06T01:36:30 < ohsix> BOOM
2017-02-06T01:36:55 < ohsix> http://basic.butt.care/~ohsix/images/harmeet/ also from 2004 when we were all getting free ipods, dont' judge
2017-02-06T01:37:06 < ReadError> free ?
2017-02-06T01:37:27 < ohsix> yea
2017-02-06T01:37:35 < ohsix> you don't remember freeipods.com???/olol
2017-02-06T01:38:03 < ohsix> at the time satellite companies were paying major buxx for leads
2017-02-06T01:38:29 < ohsix> so there were a bunch of websites that popped up that would give you part of it as an ipod or whatever if you signed some people up
2017-02-06T01:44:09 < ohsix> https://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp11247/lot-d24b012e-64a0-444a-ba13-a70b00ad2a09 lul
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2017-02-06T01:54:00 < ohsix> http://pwnadventure.com/
2017-02-06T01:54:01 < ohsix> neat
2017-02-06T01:57:29 < dongs> free as in aids
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2017-02-06T02:15:39 < aandrew> basic butt care LOL
2017-02-06T02:20:37 < aandrew> upgrdman: ping
2017-02-06T02:20:48 < upgrdman> pong
2017-02-06T02:21:00 < aandrew> trying to locate the data structure used to transmit to your excellent grapher
2017-02-06T02:21:09 < aandrew> I think I'm blind or at least unable to parse java to find it
2017-02-06T02:21:33 < upgrdman> youre looking for the code that parses incoming data?
2017-02-06T02:22:04 < aandrew> yeah, so I can write something that puts data in that format for it to graph
2017-02-06T02:22:15 < upgrdman> it's just CSVs
2017-02-06T02:22:30 < upgrdman> make your stm32 or whatever shit out "123,56,7890\n"
2017-02-06T02:22:40 < upgrdman> assuming you have 3 things to chart
2017-02-06T02:22:55 < Laurenceb_> zano GPS modules are cheap
2017-02-06T02:23:01 < Laurenceb_> <UKP0.50 atm
2017-02-06T02:23:07 < upgrdman> R2COM, have you seen it? it's not perfect, but im pretty happy with it
2017-02-06T02:23:17 < Laurenceb_> so much stupid shit
2017-02-06T02:23:24 < Laurenceb_> like audio amps, wtf
2017-02-06T02:24:08 < aandrew> upgrdman: hm ok
2017-02-06T02:24:08 < dongs> and speakers
2017-02-06T02:24:19 < aandrew> and it's just java . Main.main or someshit to start it all up?
2017-02-06T02:24:33 < upgrdman> aandrew, floating point is fine too. so "1.23,4.5678,9.012\n" is fine too
2017-02-06T02:25:06 < upgrdman> aandrew, did you download my Jar? just double-click it
2017-02-06T02:25:18 < aandrew> no I cloned the src
2017-02-06T02:25:39 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-06T02:25:45 < upgrdman> using eclipse?
2017-02-06T02:26:07 < aandrew> lol no
2017-02-06T02:26:09 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/zackfox/status/828389645780131840
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2017-02-06T02:27:41 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: i'm failing to find out what they needed the UV leds for
2017-02-06T02:27:49 < ohsix> oh wait aaaaaaaaaaaa i rememebred just as i typed that
2017-02-06T02:27:55 < ohsix> there was a glow in the dark shell version
2017-02-06T02:28:46 < Laurenceb_> LOL
2017-02-06T02:28:50 < aandrew> hm I can't even make a usful jar
2017-02-06T02:29:26 < Laurenceb_> I never saw the failure of zano coming /s
2017-02-06T02:29:36 < aandrew> jar cvf foo.jar * builds it but java -jar foo.jar complains that there's no manifest
2017-02-06T02:29:55 < Laurenceb_> zano aka "add all the things to our quadcopter, what could go wrong"
2017-02-06T02:30:20 < upgrdman> aandrew, never tried form CLI. but from eclipse its easy. right-click project > export > runnable jar file > package required libs into jar > finish
2017-02-06T02:30:43 < upgrdman> oh hmmm that might be the problem :) you need the libs
2017-02-06T02:30:50 < upgrdman> and my dumb ass forgot to put them in the repo
2017-02-06T02:31:23 < aandrew> hm
2017-02-06T02:31:26 < aandrew> link to jarfile then?
2017-02-06T02:31:27 < upgrdman> lol ya. oops. https://github.com/farrellf/TelemetryViewer/blob/master/Telemetry%20Viewer/.classpath
2017-02-06T02:31:27 < Laurenceb_>  "wait wut we need to project manage, write firmware and apply actual skillz"
2017-02-06T02:31:29 < Laurenceb_> wtf man
2017-02-06T02:31:37 < upgrdman> pretty sure those file paths wont be on your box :)
2017-02-06T02:31:59 < upgrdman> aandrew, http://www.farrellf.com/TelemetryViewer/
2017-02-06T02:34:12 < aandrew> aha
2017-02-06T02:34:19 < aandrew> yeah there's a lot more in that .jar than .java files :-)
2017-02-06T02:35:24 < aandrew> heh your default width is VERY wide
2017-02-06T02:35:32 < aandrew> I can't shrink the connect menu so it fits on the screen
2017-02-06T02:35:40 < upgrdman> you on 720p?
2017-02-06T02:36:00 < upgrdman> hmm i'll have to redo that bottom menu eventually.
2017-02-06T02:36:20 < aandrew> heh this is pretty cool
2017-02-06T02:37:06 < upgrdman> aandrew, not sure if you were planning to use the Frequency Domain Chart, but if so, im working on many improvements for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdiZgOFtgiU
2017-02-06T02:37:20 < aandrew> mostly time domain
2017-02-06T02:37:30 < upgrdman> plan to have v0.3 done and a youtube video for it, in a week or two
2017-02-06T02:37:31 < aandrew> any way to make this thing it's talking to a serial port when it's reading from a pipe?
2017-02-06T02:37:39 < aandrew> no worries, this is great for now
2017-02-06T02:37:45 < upgrdman> aandrew, not yet. but i plan to
2017-02-06T02:37:50 < ohsix> aandrew: jarsigner bruh
2017-02-06T02:37:57 < upgrdman> also plan to support tcp/udp input
2017-02-06T02:38:01 < ohsix> i have no idea though
2017-02-06T02:38:20 < aandrew> oh yeah udp rx would be great
2017-02-06T02:39:19 < ohsix> upgrdman: make it buildable from the git repo yo, with maven or whatever the fancy lads use for such things
2017-02-06T02:39:33 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i will
2017-02-06T02:39:36 < ohsix> i was going to look into building it as well but it hasn't come up again lul
2017-02-06T02:39:45 < sync_> upgrdman: just binary input would be neat as well
2017-02-06T02:39:52 < aandrew> it has that
2017-02-06T02:39:55 < ohsix> #1 because i noticed the stuff isn't landing in git before you do a video about it
2017-02-06T02:39:56 < upgrdman> this is still pre 1.0, i only started sharing it because i want some ad revenue for my youtube channel ;)
2017-02-06T02:40:02 < sync_> oh, I just had a quick look
2017-02-06T02:40:03 < ohsix> right
2017-02-06T02:40:06 < ohsix> it's still cool tho
2017-02-06T02:40:09 < aandrew> it is
2017-02-06T02:40:12 < upgrdman> sync_, it has that, but i have not doc'd it yet because its fragile
2017-02-06T02:40:21 < aandrew> #1 problem with a lot of this shit is being able to graph nicely and easily
2017-02-06T02:40:22 < sync_> because then you can just yolo variables into the dma
2017-02-06T02:40:22 < ohsix> if i can build it and you commit to it more out of sync with the videos i can get people using it :p
2017-02-06T02:40:34 < Laurenceb_> hi crt
2017-02-06T02:40:35 < sync_> and it shits your stuff out the uart
2017-02-06T02:40:37 < sync_> or usb
2017-02-06T02:40:41 < ohsix> aandrew: haxing stuff with processing isnt' so bad
2017-02-06T02:40:45 < upgrdman> sync_, ya that's exactly what i do.
2017-02-06T02:40:53 < sync_> without annoying conversions
2017-02-06T02:40:56 < aandrew> perhaps if you knew processing :-)
2017-02-06T02:40:58 < upgrdman> my stm32 shits use DMA to send binary data to the program
2017-02-06T02:41:06 < sync_> ya
2017-02-06T02:41:12 < upgrdman> but my youtube vids dont explain that yet cause i need to make it more robust
2017-02-06T02:41:59 < ohsix> aandrew: hurr it's designed to be learned!11;]
2017-02-06T02:42:43 < ohsix> https://processing.org/examples/widthheight.html
2017-02-06T02:42:57 < ohsix> but ya i don't know it enough to just bang stuff out, and upgrdman's thing is faster to iterate with
2017-02-06T02:43:32 < ohsix> related but not quite the same, arduinos plotter mode DTRT when you send multiple values with a comma, per line, colors them different and stuff
2017-02-06T02:43:46 < ohsix> none of that shit is really documented so you don't know for sure before you just try it
2017-02-06T02:44:30 < ohsix> https://processing.org:8443/reference/libraries/serial/index.html
2017-02-06T03:02:55 < dongs> Since Sept. 11, 2001, nearly twice as many people have been killed by white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics and other non-Muslim extremists than by radical Muslims
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2017-02-06T03:12:43 < ohsix> everyone is such superbowl
2017-02-06T03:12:48 < ohsix> i gotta get out of here and do something
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2017-02-06T03:21:46 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, jesus fuck. that looks more verbose than java. quite an accomplishment.
2017-02-06T03:23:42 < aandrew> that is rather verbose
2017-02-06T03:24:54 < aandrew> actually maybe not, it *looks* more verbose because of things like "registers" and foo:bar::yes or NotReady etc
2017-02-06T03:24:55 < ohsix> i'm glad i can't see it
2017-02-06T03:25:04 < ohsix> bless my ignorant eyes
2017-02-06T03:25:21 < aandrew> I always lol at the wilfully ignorant
2017-02-06T03:25:36 < ohsix> me2
2017-02-06T03:25:51 < ohsix> but after the second line i already knew who and what you were talking about, and i've seen it already :p
2017-02-06T03:26:54 < ohsix> this whole political bullshit over whether nazis are ok to punch and shit, there are wilful ignorant people, and then there are other people that are just sick of hearing or seeing some bullshit that is just a waste of their time and isn't going to change
2017-02-06T03:27:00 < aandrew> fair enough
2017-02-06T03:27:01 < ohsix> i'll leave it to you to decide who or what i'm talking about
2017-02-06T03:27:04 < ohsix> huhuh
2017-02-06T03:27:13 < aandrew> you really are quite good at yak shaving, I'll give you that
2017-02-06T03:28:00 < ohsix> someone irl the other day was actually screaming in my face that i have to listen to them
2017-02-06T03:28:18 < aandrew> ohsix: sounds like fun. 
2017-02-06T03:28:20 < ohsix> their request was for me to 'shut up' so i could 'learn something'
2017-02-06T03:28:27 < ohsix> it was unsettling
2017-02-06T03:28:28 < aandrew> clearly you didn't
2017-02-06T03:28:43 < ohsix> finding out a dude that was kind of cool will start shit at the drop of a hat when he is bored sucks
2017-02-06T03:29:37 < ohsix> making no allusion to irc or anything, but when they wander into the office because they've got nothing else to do, you probably understand that they are bored and there to basically start shit
2017-02-06T03:31:22 < ohsix> blah didn't intend to elaborate, but get this, his basic 'bait' line about the election was that 'oh boy it is nice to be an anarchist and not be responsible for anything' (which, worked once or twice, but on the basis that he was full of shit and not true)
2017-02-06T03:31:58 < aandrew> hahahahaha http://i.imgur.com/NkIog3Q.gifv
2017-02-06T03:32:09 < ohsix> tried it on a bunch more times with no takers, then someone talked about that couple in berkely and their cats that died of CO posoining
2017-02-06T03:32:27 < ohsix> started talking shit about property damage and stuff unsolicited
2017-02-06T03:32:47 < ohsix> aandrew: that's p. good
2017-02-06T03:33:12 < ohsix> the time lapse meme is an old one
2017-02-06T03:33:37 < ohsix> matt lucas is on qi and 8 out of 10 cats a lot now
2017-02-06T03:34:05 < ohsix> i'd only seen him a lot in little britain, and i knew about his alopecia or watever but it is still weird to see him out of makeup
2017-02-06T03:39:52 < upgrdman> good job china   https://gfycat.com/PeacefulPhonyAbalone
2017-02-06T03:42:20 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/828412919691898880
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2017-02-06T03:55:15 < ohsix> upgrdman: haha oh god
2017-02-06T03:55:27 < ohsix> upgrdman: some shit happens out of frame to the left, but the dude hits the sign at least once
2017-02-06T03:56:41 < englishman> dongs, have you ever put shit thru the oven, but you forgot to turn it on, so the boards come out the other side and drop to the ground and all the shit falls off
2017-02-06T03:57:13 < ohsix> haha
2017-02-06T03:57:28 < PeterM_obile> Generally I don't defecate on my tools
2017-02-06T03:58:14 < ohsix> the oven we've got is a tray, can't push stuff out the back
2017-02-06T03:59:17 < ohsix> do you has a belt feed or something
2017-02-06T03:59:19 < aandrew> englishman: hahaha 
2017-02-06T03:59:25 < aandrew> remind me not to get boards done at your shop
2017-02-06T03:59:34 < englishman> oh thats never happened to me
2017-02-06T03:59:40 < dongs> englishman: lol
2017-02-06T03:59:44 < ohsix> oic
2017-02-06T03:59:46 < englishman> i was just wondering if that happened to dongs
2017-02-06T03:59:52 < englishman> cuz it seems really easy to do
2017-02-06T03:59:52 < aandrew> that would be superpro
2017-02-06T03:59:55 < dongs> im a bit more pro than that
2017-02-06T03:59:59 < englishman> mmhmm
2017-02-06T04:00:04 < ohsix> it's pretty hard to not turn on the oven
2017-02-06T04:00:05 < dongs> BUT
2017-02-06T04:00:08 < dongs> what I hae done is
2017-02-06T04:00:13 < ohsix> you need to tell it to do shit
2017-02-06T04:00:17 < dongs> assemble another panel on top of alread assembled panel
2017-02-06T04:00:25 < PeterM_obile> ive put stuff in the oven and forgotten to turn it on,  but I tend to not drop stuff
2017-02-06T04:00:29 < englishman> ah yes nice
2017-02-06T04:00:41 < dongs> then I end up with fucking caps strewn everywhere
2017-02-06T04:00:44 < aandrew> asn.1 baby
2017-02-06T04:00:46 < dongs> and of couse board overall ruined
2017-02-06T04:00:47 < aandrew> ME ENCODE YOU LONG TIME
2017-02-06T04:01:02 < ohsix> do you know about setting up a ca to do vpn shit aandrew 
2017-02-06T04:01:16 < dongs> i usually notice pretty quickly cuz the pressure sensor on head sounds different when its hitting stuff thats already too high
2017-02-06T04:01:16 < aandrew> a certificate authority? nah
2017-02-06T04:01:23 < aandrew> I just self sign or buy a cert
2017-02-06T04:01:27 < dongs> there's a much louder clack
2017-02-06T04:01:52 < ohsix> i gotta set one up
2017-02-06T04:02:21 < ohsix> topic keeps coming up at the lab, i'd looked into it more this time, the hard part is distributing keys and telling people how to use them
2017-02-06T04:02:41 < ohsix> they keep mentioning security but don't really know what it means
2017-02-06T04:02:44 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/18f7a1cbdf2739fcad276456873b7c02fd701d830b700f346fdd2f18ed7dc691.png
2017-02-06T04:03:19 < ohsix> do you browse 8ch or do you get stuff second hand bruh
2017-02-06T04:03:43 < ohsix> they're working with like 10th generation jpegs there
2017-02-06T04:03:56 < ohsix> also long boy memes with the blur
2017-02-06T04:05:48 < ohsix> need to get out of heeeeeeere, weekends blow balls
2017-02-06T04:07:47 < PeterM_obile> You called?
2017-02-06T04:08:12 < upgrdman> crt be climaxing
2017-02-06T04:08:23 < ohsix> always be climaxing
2017-02-06T04:10:22 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a910bbb406de26f9b2faeb452e2c77c8d264b94906e69cabadb3fa37ecda61fd.png
2017-02-06T04:11:13 < ohsix> we, does she mean women
2017-02-06T04:11:26 < ohsix> there's no such thing as a dream expert
2017-02-06T04:11:42 < PeterM_obile> Nah,  only plx-1000 spares
2017-02-06T04:13:46 < ohsix> lul
2017-02-06T04:13:57 < ohsix> notice me dj
2017-02-06T04:14:14 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/1218b0317c4a4292b186542ae03f41247720ea156fe5f14e22a31fa5223a15f1.jpg is dat a packet of durex?
2017-02-06T04:19:11 < PeterM_obile> Laurenceb_ reminds me of https://youtu.be/3RgGfV3TaUc
2017-02-06T04:19:25 < PeterM_obile> Crt nah I've actually lost a shed
2017-02-06T04:33:19 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/bbfe56e54c4ab03431a68c9bba8a7e8cba885d8f6edfcee046805f34052e6eb2.jpg
2017-02-06T04:33:21 < Laurenceb_> irl lulling
2017-02-06T04:34:29 < ohsix> how are you nto getting radicalized beta incel
2017-02-06T04:34:52 < Laurenceb_> wut? beta incest?
2017-02-06T04:35:34 < Laurenceb_> ohsix spotted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTdaWUDeGsg
2017-02-06T04:35:36 < tpw_rules> what is wrong with you
2017-02-06T04:36:04 < tpw_rules> is he a troll or just a crazy regular
2017-02-06T04:36:34 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: the concept of an alpha male was a mistake and has been discredited, and disowned by the person that coined the phrase
2017-02-06T04:37:05 < ohsix> why is the warning that it is for educational purposes
2017-02-06T04:37:19 < Laurenceb_> education for school bullying
2017-02-06T04:37:33 < ohsix> eh rhm
2017-02-06T04:37:54 < ohsix> wolves act weird in captivity to, which appears to be wat the video was taken in
2017-02-06T04:38:45 < tpw_rules> i'm going with crazy regular
2017-02-06T04:39:06 < ohsix> yup
2017-02-06T04:39:06 < tpw_rules> so he's a regular troll?
2017-02-06T04:39:08 < ohsix> This terminology was first used in 1947 by Rudolf Schenkel of the University of Basel, who based his findings on researching the behavior of captive gray wolves.[6] This view on gray wolf pack dynamics was later popularized by L. David Mech in his 1970 book The Wolf. He formally disavowed this terminology in 1999, explaining that it was heavily based on the behavior of captive packs consisting of unrelated individuals, an error reflecting the once prevailing vie
2017-02-06T04:39:22 < tpw_rules> well a frequent troll
2017-02-06T04:39:40 < PeterM_obile> https://youtube.com/watch?v=qLQ2GGrlkjY this is Laurenceb_ s missus
2017-02-06T04:39:59 < ohsix> you bring the worst out in my knowledge of wolf shit Laurenceb_ 
2017-02-06T04:40:24 < ohsix> tpw_rules: warning, you're being 'informed' by a crank that several people have chosen to ignore in their client
2017-02-06T04:40:46 < ohsix> also this line of text is for educational purposes only
2017-02-06T04:40:58 < tpw_rules> ohsix: okay yeah i just did. i wasn't sure the crank to genius ratio
2017-02-06T04:41:24 < ohsix> hur
2017-02-06T04:41:28 < Laurenceb_> <PeterM_obile> accurate
2017-02-06T04:41:34 < tpw_rules> what
2017-02-06T04:41:41 < Laurenceb_> crt is a pretty cool guy
2017-02-06T04:41:51 < ohsix> eh i wouldn't worry too much about picking out the bad guys, there's better shit to do with your time
2017-02-06T04:41:57 < PeterM_obile> On ohsix the crank to genius ratio is undefined,  because he's not a crank or genius,  just an assburger
2017-02-06T04:42:31 < tpw_rules> well yeah but i don't want to constantly see racist bullshit popping up
2017-02-06T04:42:48 < ohsix> some corners of the internet are better
2017-02-06T04:42:53 < tpw_rules> lol apparently
2017-02-06T04:42:53 < PeterM_obile> why?  Are you some kind of nigger?
2017-02-06T04:42:57 < PeterM_obile> Or jewm
2017-02-06T04:43:37 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-02-06T04:43:49 < tpw_rules> that doesn't even make any sense
2017-02-06T04:43:52 < Laurenceb_> this truly is the troll channel
2017-02-06T04:44:07 < ohsix> did you just see the wolf video?
2017-02-06T04:44:46 < tpw_rules> for racist bullshit
2017-02-06T04:44:51 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: incel, people are implying that the whole alt-right thing was from involuntary celibate white lonely nerds being fussed with by white supremacists and russian agents
2017-02-06T04:45:35 < ohsix> part of it is, heheh; i knew one or two fellas that went right down the shithole over time spent on 4chan, but it's dumb to suggest people even know what 4chan is, generally
2017-02-06T04:46:02 < PeterM_obile> The hacker known as "4chan"
2017-02-06T04:46:58 < ohsix> yes
2017-02-06T04:47:05 < ohsix> the internet is wild, man
2017-02-06T04:47:20 < ohsix> twitter is kind of great for getting a feel for the shape of it now tho, and that's where shit is happening
2017-02-06T04:47:54 < ohsix> it's easy to write bots that use phrases that other people are monitoring, then if you sound slightly plausible and interact with them, you can get angry idiots arguing with a bot for days
2017-02-06T04:48:05 < tpw_rules> ^
2017-02-06T04:48:28 < ohsix> it's very meta
2017-02-06T04:48:40 < ohsix> there's a roiling surface of angry people just washing over everything
2017-02-06T04:49:08 < ohsix> kind of, like i imagine, the aol invasion on usenet back in the day, except stupid and angry
2017-02-06T04:49:37 < ohsix> they'll figure otu, life, the internet, but it will take some of them 20 years
2017-02-06T04:50:16 < PeterM_obile> Nah,  not cont
2017-02-06T04:50:29 < PeterM_obile> Its just marketing want
2017-02-06T04:50:44 < PeterM_obile> The wires would cook at 320a cont
2017-02-06T04:51:01 < tpw_rules> those only look like 12 gauge wires
2017-02-06T04:51:30 < tpw_rules> it doesn't specify the universe
2017-02-06T04:51:48 < Laurenceb_> the only reason I join freenode
2017-02-06T04:51:49 < Laurenceb_> <tpw_rules> for racist bullshit
2017-02-06T04:51:55 < Laurenceb_> these two lines are accurate
2017-02-06T04:52:09 < tpw_rules> yes i'm noticing
2017-02-06T04:52:36 < ohsix> the real problem is that there isn't enough stm32 talk to go around
2017-02-06T04:52:48 < ohsix> and there aren't any new people to do stuff that the people that know stuff can talk about
2017-02-06T04:52:52 < Laurenceb_> everyone understands stm32 now
2017-02-06T04:52:58 < Laurenceb_> and there are few newfags
2017-02-06T04:53:04 < Laurenceb_> so we can sperg out 24/7
2017-02-06T04:53:07 < ohsix> at that point you're just relying on people to not be dicks and that is unsustainable
2017-02-06T04:53:28 < Laurenceb_> liuterally dongs from GNAA
2017-02-06T04:53:36 < ohsix> the people that don't know shit are on stackexchange and yahoo answers
2017-02-06T04:53:47 < Laurenceb_> king of trolls
2017-02-06T04:53:51 < Laurenceb_> also flyback is here
2017-02-06T04:54:02 < Laurenceb_> he has his own urbandictionary page
2017-02-06T04:54:05 < ohsix> speaking of flyback
2017-02-06T04:54:16 < ohsix> flyback: do you remember MeTaLRoCK?
2017-02-06T04:54:24 < PeterM_obile> R2COM I think something like 10sec is considered continuous
2017-02-06T04:54:52 < ohsix> old irc shit: when everyone in norway seemed to get the internet and on irc at the same time
2017-02-06T04:56:15 < tpw_rules> https://www.dimensionengineering.com/products/sabertooth2x32 i like this one
2017-02-06T04:56:59 < tpw_rules> it will do RC
2017-02-06T04:57:02 < tpw_rules> and a bunch of other shit
2017-02-06T04:57:06 < tpw_rules> it's really configurable, it's super neat
2017-02-06T04:57:45 < tpw_rules> you can basically apply equations and conditions to map input to output
2017-02-06T04:57:55 < ReadError> RC ESC ratomgs are never right
2017-02-06T04:58:20 < ohsix> they are right
2017-02-06T04:58:38 < PeterM_obile> I take the amp ratings for RC stuff to mean "it will do X amps and not pop immediately"
2017-02-06T04:58:49 < ohsix> problem is, when people get them they use them with random motors and wire gauges, random attachment, random airflow
2017-02-06T04:59:34 < ohsix> wat type of lighting projects crt
2017-02-06T05:00:53 < ohsix> like car light LED things or what
2017-02-06T05:01:03 < ohsix> i'm familiar with lots of lighting shit but none you'd care about
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2017-02-06T05:02:57 < PeterM_obile> I think the esc can probably do 300A continuously for as long as any RC size motor can take 300A for
2017-02-06T05:03:39 < PeterM_obile> I know,  that first link is just retarded
2017-02-06T05:03:48 < ohsix> ReadError: have you ever taken one to the datasheet for junction temperature and heat flux shit
2017-02-06T05:04:03 < ohsix> i can order some chinese ones and check
2017-02-06T05:05:11 < PeterM_obile> R2COM a smu,  excel and a few hours get you a datasheet
2017-02-06T05:05:34 < PeterM_obile> Source measure unit
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2017-02-06T05:06:23 < PeterM_obile> Oh sure,  to find out silicon limits you need that kinda thing
2017-02-06T05:06:40 < PeterM_obile> They both probs can do 300a for short periods
2017-02-06T05:06:50 < ohsix> you know you can just get some massive fat resistors and make some heat bruh
2017-02-06T05:07:05 < PeterM_obile> The first one for sure
2017-02-06T05:07:10 < ohsix> put some probes on the boards for junction temperature and shit and just heat em up
2017-02-06T05:07:13 < PeterM_obile> The second one not so sure
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2017-02-06T05:07:58 < PeterM_obile> I mean,  they probably have 60+ so-8 sized fets if not more in it
2017-02-06T05:08:03 < ohsix> probably want to scope the gates out to see wat dead time and shit is going on
2017-02-06T05:08:38 < PeterM_obile> in a plane,  ideally you have it in prop air sttream
2017-02-06T05:09:10 < PeterM_obile> yeah
2017-02-06T05:09:30 < PeterM_obile> Paralul for more current and heat dissipatuon
2017-02-06T05:09:47 < PeterM_obile> 6 half bridges and 10 in each half
2017-02-06T05:09:55 < PeterM_obile> 3 half bridges*
2017-02-06T05:18:39 < upgrdman> re: the 320A esc, lol
2017-02-06T05:18:57 < upgrdman> i love how rc fuckery love to rate ESCs with mosfet ratings
2017-02-06T05:19:35 < upgrdman> people would get so pissed at me when i tried to tell them the average draw of their RC car is like 30A, even if the peaks were >100A it was for short periods of time
2017-02-06T05:20:07 < ohsix> flyback: what about bare
2017-02-06T05:20:21 < ohsix> flyback: i still think you're factor_1, just asking you about people he told me about lul
2017-02-06T05:21:33 < ohsix> says factor_1
2017-02-06T05:22:09 < ohsix> bmcc?
2017-02-06T05:22:36 < ohsix> haha if he wasn't factor_1 i don't think he'd react like that
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2017-02-06T05:27:40 < Rob235> can't believe they came back for the win
2017-02-06T05:31:07 < Rob235> patriots
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2017-02-06T05:37:53 < englishman> who
2017-02-06T05:38:05 < Rob235> ;)
2017-02-06T05:38:15 < englishman> so today's thing r2com won't buy is rc car stuff
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2017-02-06T06:03:18 < englishman> lil D got some chicken
2017-02-06T06:05:21 < englishman> ah found him
2017-02-06T06:05:26 < englishman> enjoying the fireplace
2017-02-06T06:05:29 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/31ozCuD.jpg
2017-02-06T06:07:30 < englishman> how many knobs
2017-02-06T06:07:48 < aandrew> for $1200 those better be well-polished knobs
2017-02-06T06:07:53 < emeb_mac> must be a big mixer
2017-02-06T06:08:40 < emeb_mac> $6/ea?
2017-02-06T06:08:44 < emeb_mac> must be good ones
2017-02-06T06:09:19 < emeb_mac> pix?
2017-02-06T06:10:31 < dongs> pretty sure AMP!six will polish all your knobs
2017-02-06T06:10:57 < dongs> why did that image take like 10 seconds to load
2017-02-06T06:11:04 < dongs> oh its kind alarge and a png
2017-02-06T06:11:07 < dongs> what the hell, morons
2017-02-06T06:11:26 < dongs> crt are those vu meters discreet leds 
2017-02-06T06:11:28 < dongs> or are tehy liek a bar led
2017-02-06T06:12:12 < aandrew> that is not a lot of knobs
2017-02-06T06:12:29 < aandrew> well just that pic anyway
2017-02-06T06:12:30 < englishman> need a large stm32 to run all that
2017-02-06T06:12:35 < aandrew> do you have like 100 of them or something
2017-02-06T06:12:48 < emeb_mac> geezus - $6/ea for that shit
2017-02-06T06:13:03 < emeb_mac> those are like the stupidist cheap Rean crap.
2017-02-06T06:14:01 < jadew> those knobs are $6/pcs?
2017-02-06T06:14:56 < jadew> maybe they have gold inside the plastic shell
2017-02-06T06:15:02 < ohsix> only knob i can help you to is mine
2017-02-06T06:15:15 < dongs> lul throughhole leds
2017-02-06T06:15:19 < dongs> fkin aids
2017-02-06T06:15:27 < dongs> do you ever have to replace those
2017-02-06T06:15:45 < dongs> oh right
2017-02-06T06:15:47 < dongs> pink VUs
2017-02-06T06:16:09 < dongs> pink is for PEAK
2017-02-06T06:16:42 < dongs> heh
2017-02-06T06:18:47 < englishman> I'd ask how old that shit is, but its jap so probably 2016 model
2017-02-06T06:19:26 < dongs> why is one encoder missing
2017-02-06T06:19:31 < dongs> is that the one youre replacing?
2017-02-06T06:20:06 < ohsix> crt: are you doing refurb servicing for pioneer or are there hardcore guys that have to have their shit fixed
2017-02-06T06:22:33 < upgrdman> totally off topic, but i love this style    http://www.pokedstudio.com/
2017-02-06T06:22:51 < dongs> that looks like faggotry
2017-02-06T06:23:12 < dongs> unfunny american annime
2017-02-06T06:23:17 < upgrdman> ohsix, your new twitter avatar  http://www.pokedstudio.com/adventuretime-vs-the-thing/bh24btm76yqg8ty6jjtpnm5rcwhhxu
2017-02-06T06:23:55 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-06T06:24:12 < ohsix> speaking of twitter lul
2017-02-06T06:24:19 < ohsix> if you like that style you can find tons of people doing it
2017-02-06T06:24:41 < ohsix> oh shit
2017-02-06T06:24:46 < ohsix> they did the blender startup image thing
2017-02-06T06:24:52 < ohsix> ya nice
2017-02-06T06:26:57 < englishman> dongs, so which f7 does have china availability
2017-02-06T06:27:08 < englishman> before I just go and list all part numbers
2017-02-06T06:27:45 < emeb_mac> heh - everythings available in china. for 10% of the US price.
2017-02-06T06:27:52 < dongs> probably none of them
2017-02-06T06:28:05 < dongs> it took forever for shit like F405/401 to become common
2017-02-06T06:28:15 < dongs> nobody uses that shit in anything important yet
2017-02-06T06:28:43 < englishman> dffff
2017-02-06T06:28:51 < dongs> but lemme ask
2017-02-06T06:29:00 < emeb_mac> china loves STM8
2017-02-06T06:29:04 < englishman> well
2017-02-06T06:29:04 < dongs> that is true
2017-02-06T06:29:11 < englishman> stm8 is pretty awesome
2017-02-06T06:29:19 < dongs> chances are whatever the fuck you wanna do with F7 can probably be done with STM8 just as eaesy
2017-02-06T06:29:30 < englishman> reminds me
2017-02-06T06:29:46 < emeb_mac> haha
2017-02-06T06:29:50 < englishman> I put this $7 i2c to gpio thing on a board
2017-02-06T06:29:59 < emeb_mac> 216MHz STM8 w/ floating pt.
2017-02-06T06:30:04 < dongs> yes.
2017-02-06T06:30:22 < englishman> could have done same thing in 1/4 footprint with stm8
2017-02-06T06:30:25 < dongs> you can overclock them pretty good anyway
2017-02-06T06:30:33 < dongs> like 16mhz parts will normally run at 24
2017-02-06T06:30:38 < upgrdman> so if i want to generate like 20 servo signals (pwm), is there a cheaper than $5 ic for that
2017-02-06T06:30:40 < dongs> since some fo the cores do run at 24
2017-02-06T06:30:56 < ohsix> huhuh
2017-02-06T06:30:56 < upgrdman> tempted to nig my own "asic" with an fpga
2017-02-06T06:31:06 < dongs> upgrdman: https://www.adafruit.com/product/815
2017-02-06T06:31:07 < ohsix> open source stuff for stm8 is not great
2017-02-06T06:31:21 < ohsix> upgrdman: you can do that with an f103
2017-02-06T06:31:24 < upgrdman> dongs, fuck that. $15
2017-02-06T06:31:35 < dongs> its like $0.5 in chian
2017-02-06T06:31:37 < upgrdman> o
2017-02-06T06:31:44 < ohsix> do dma with the ports
2017-02-06T06:31:54 < dongs> but it is i2c
2017-02-06T06:32:01 < dongs> with all the aids that involves
2017-02-06T06:32:11 < dongs> i mean, if you really only need 2o channels, SPI and shift registers.
2017-02-06T06:32:12 < ohsix> upgrdman: you can use shift registers too
2017-02-06T06:32:25 < englishman> upgrdman: what speed pwm
2017-02-06T06:32:31 < englishman> just bitbang that shit
2017-02-06T06:32:40 < dongs> englishman: STM32F756VGT6 may have samples
2017-02-06T06:32:45 < upgrdman> englishman, freq of prolly 100hz, resolution of maybe 1us or 0.5us
2017-02-06T06:32:46 < englishman> nice
2017-02-06T06:32:59 < englishman> yeah bumbang
2017-02-06T06:33:00 < ohsix> yabro you want a shift register
2017-02-06T06:33:03 < upgrdman> hmm ya fogot about bitbanging to gpio
2017-02-06T06:33:07 < upgrdman> that'd prolly work
2017-02-06T06:33:10 < ohsix> don't even need dma for that
2017-02-06T06:33:17 < ohsix> (gpio bitbang @ 100hz)
2017-02-06T06:33:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, no, 100hz servo signals. but 1us or less resolution for pulse lengths
2017-02-06T06:34:00 < upgrdman> e.g. 100 time a second: stay high for 1000-2000us
2017-02-06T06:34:06 < ohsix> yep
2017-02-06T06:34:09 < upgrdman> with 1 or 0.5us resolution
2017-02-06T06:34:29 < dongs> upgrdman: spi + shift regs, also that nxp part really does work
2017-02-06T06:34:30 < englishman> just for servos?
2017-02-06T06:34:31 < ohsix> i have 20 servos
2017-02-06T06:34:32 < dongs> for your shit.
2017-02-06T06:34:33 < ohsix> what are you doing
2017-02-06T06:34:39 < dongs> and you can chain them
2017-02-06T06:34:40 < upgrdman> dongs, k
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2017-02-06T06:34:44 < dongs> with like 8 settable addreses
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2017-02-06T06:35:12 < dongs> its also only like $2.4 on digikey in singles
2017-02-06T06:35:32 < upgrdman> ohsix, toying with the idea of making my centipede robot. full retard with articulation, not just two motors + offset cams ghetto shit
2017-02-06T06:35:37 < dongs> just make sure you mention me as your TECHNICAL ADVISOR when you fire up kickstarter
2017-02-06T06:35:46 < upgrdman> lol k
2017-02-06T06:35:53 < ohsix> upgrdman: awesome lul
2017-02-06T06:36:03 < dongs> and not AMP!six
2017-02-06T06:36:12 < ohsix> i was shitbraining some 3d printed stuff i could do that makes a snake robot
2017-02-06T06:36:26 < ohsix> you can mount them at 90 degrees to eachother and spiral down the body, one 3d printed part
2017-02-06T06:36:27 < upgrdman> kinda trying to find a way to click-bait the video titles tho. maybe AMAZING 30 SERVO DRIVEN WITH FPGA + ARDUINO or some gay shit like that
2017-02-06T06:36:38 < dongs> just put FPGA there
2017-02-06T06:36:39 < dongs> for no reason
2017-02-06T06:36:44 < dongs> just put it on a board
2017-02-06T06:36:44 < upgrdman> exactly
2017-02-06T06:36:46 < dongs> don't connect anything
2017-02-06T06:36:49 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-06T06:36:52 < ohsix> just put it in shot
2017-02-06T06:36:54 < englishman> like, a typical hexapod?
2017-02-06T06:36:56 < dongs> "and this here is fpga"
2017-02-06T06:37:30 < upgrdman> englishman, like this, but also with the ability to turn left and right: http://farrellf.com/temp/centipede_walk_cycle_screencast.mp4
2017-02-06T06:37:53 < englishman> lol
2017-02-06T06:37:59 < englishman> nice
2017-02-06T06:38:04 < dongs> if you wanna go full retard, STM32F103CB can do 16 PWM channels as long as you don't need any other I/O
2017-02-06T06:38:16 < dongs> i mean, you can have an i2c or spi thing for controlling it
2017-02-06T06:38:20 < englishman> use two, then its dual core
2017-02-06T06:38:22 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-06T06:38:59 < upgrdman> stuck with what?
2017-02-06T06:39:13 < upgrdman> oh ya
2017-02-06T06:39:24 < englishman> what is the alternative
2017-02-06T06:39:34 < ohsix> upgrdman: you can do that motion with one servo
2017-02-06T06:39:39 < ohsix> or just a motor
2017-02-06T06:39:43 < dongs> LPC1337
2017-02-06T06:39:52 < dongs> ATsam8xe
2017-02-06T06:39:55 < englishman> lpc1488
2017-02-06T06:40:00 < upgrdman> ohsix, i know. but then its gay ass skid steer
2017-02-06T06:40:10 < ohsix> ehhhh
2017-02-06T06:40:23 < upgrdman> i want to articulate left/right and maybe even full-retard-er and a bit of up/down too
2017-02-06T06:40:30 < ohsix> k
2017-02-06T06:40:38 < upgrdman> since turdniggy servos are like $2, who cares if i need 50 of them
2017-02-06T06:41:19 < ohsix> servo snakes are cooler
2017-02-06T06:41:29 < ohsix> cuz the kinematics suck, nobody will judge you for having it do nothing
2017-02-06T06:59:23 < englishman> dongs, dicknplace vision consistently fails to see lis3mdl
2017-02-06T06:59:33 < englishman> im fukt
2017-02-06T07:00:02 < ohsix> consistently fails or fails consistently
2017-02-06T07:00:15 < ohsix> two very different things </snooty bastard>
2017-02-06T07:00:16 < englishman> also its really hard to feed, bounces around on the tape and turns 90deg and jams
2017-02-06T07:04:55 < dongs> is that hte mag
2017-02-06T07:05:05 < dongs> focus is good?
2017-02-06T07:05:42 < englishman> yeah
2017-02-06T07:06:05 < englishman> it takes a nice pic
2017-02-06T07:06:21 < englishman> but there's not enough metal to discern the part I guess
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2017-02-06T07:07:07 < dongs> probly just shitty opencv codez
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2017-02-06T07:07:17 < dongs> have you tried picking up HMC5883
2017-02-06T07:07:23 < dongs> (or similar shit wiht gold LGA)
2017-02-06T07:07:28 < englishman> no, that's older than my machine
2017-02-06T07:07:38 < englishman> yeah bmi160 works
2017-02-06T07:08:06 < englishman> its not opencv too, some other shit
2017-02-06T07:08:12 < dongs> orly
2017-02-06T07:08:14 < dongs> chinacv
2017-02-06T07:08:16 < dongs> closedcv
2017-02-06T07:08:18 < englishman> yes
2017-02-06T07:08:27 < englishman> that's why it worksTM
2017-02-06T07:08:36 < ohsix> the hough transform is why it works
2017-02-06T07:08:45 < ohsix> </snooty bastard>
2017-02-06T07:08:45 < englishman> I never got as far as opening a feeder, with openpnp
2017-02-06T07:09:19 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hough_transform
2017-02-06T07:09:23 < ohsix> it's neat to look at tho
2017-02-06T07:10:20 < dongs> lol
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2017-02-06T07:14:04 < tpw_rules> is there a keil mdk for osx? or nice stm dev environment?
2017-02-06T07:15:32 < dongs> STM is not for faggots
2017-02-06T07:16:06 < ohsix> even keil isn't that nice, it just exists and works
2017-02-06T07:16:20 < ohsix> look at libopencm3, they have some build files and examples and stuff
2017-02-06T07:28:26 < englishman> oh I see
2017-02-06T07:28:39 < englishman> america had their yearly handegg tournament
2017-02-06T07:28:47 < englishman> and, america won
2017-02-06T07:29:18 < ohsix> brown people definitely lost
2017-02-06T07:31:17 < dongs>   college sports
2017-02-06T07:31:22 < dongs> the reason never to go to college in usa
2017-02-06T07:31:59 < emeb_mac> fsckin' waste of $$ and time
2017-02-06T07:32:29 < dongs> truly
2017-02-06T07:33:04 < emeb_mac> only good thing about it is all the people who stay home for that. traffic is a lot easier.
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2017-02-06T07:54:59 < dongs> play some games with your schlong
2017-02-06T07:55:03 < dongs> dreaming of AMP!six
2017-02-06T07:55:08 < dongs> y/y/y
2017-02-06T07:56:25 < dongs> metal gayer
2017-02-06T07:57:14 < dongs> no, still chatting
2017-02-06T07:57:16 < dongs> ampsix too
2017-02-06T08:00:35 < dongs> same shit
2017-02-06T08:00:51 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-06T08:01:04 < ohsix> i haven't been talking hon
2017-02-06T08:01:15 < dongs> i got motor startup code done that eases RPM between start/stop points for startup/shutdown/rpm change
2017-02-06T08:01:27 < dongs> i mean, emulated motor
2017-02-06T08:02:26 < dongs> donno
2017-02-06T08:05:37 < dongs> looks lik -13
2017-02-06T08:05:40 < dongs> asdroid phone still updating
2017-02-06T08:05:42 < dongs> weather
2017-02-06T08:06:12 < dongs> im in alaska you faggot
2017-02-06T08:06:20 < dongs> goin back in a couple days
2017-02-06T08:07:01 < dongs> phone finally upadated
2017-02-06T08:07:02 < dongs> looks like -16
2017-02-06T08:07:42 < englishman> good snowshoe weather
2017-02-06T08:08:26 < ohsix> englishman: do you have me on ignore?
2017-02-06T08:11:15 < englishman> no, I block your chats out mentally
2017-02-06T08:11:28 < ohsix> stand up fella
2017-02-06T08:11:35 < ohsix> i wanted to ask if you were still in the uk or wut
2017-02-06T08:12:10 < ohsix> shit is pretty wild and most of the people i know that are in london or watever are celebrities D:
2017-02-06T08:13:21 < englishman> I've never been to the fucking U K
2017-02-06T08:13:27 < ohsix> oic
2017-02-06T08:14:22 < dongs> http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/5/14517314/google-home-super-bowl-ad-2017
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2017-02-06T08:21:43 < emeb_mac> oh yay - general strike in US for Feb 17. that should be hi-larious.
2017-02-06T08:22:10 < ohsix> it will suck, and that is also the point
2017-02-06T08:22:34 < emeb_mac> stick it to the man I suspect
2017-02-06T08:23:12 < ohsix> strikes are the ultimate virtue signalling amirite!!!!!!!11
2017-02-06T08:23:25 < emeb_mac> depends
2017-02-06T08:23:41 < emeb_mac> if it's your job at stake it's more than simple virtue signalling
2017-02-06T08:23:51 < emeb_mac> but in this case it's not anyone's job.
2017-02-06T08:24:04 < ohsix> eh
2017-02-06T08:24:25 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/x2k4DXT.png
2017-02-06T08:24:26 < ohsix> so, general strikes don't make sense to you?
2017-02-06T08:25:33 < ReadError> if you want to make the gov do shit
2017-02-06T08:25:35 < ReadError> its simple
2017-02-06T08:25:39 < ReadError> tax strike
2017-02-06T08:25:44 < ReadError> just everyone stop paying the shit
2017-02-06T08:26:01 < ReadError> or enough people
2017-02-06T08:26:41 < ReadError> apparently
2017-02-06T08:26:46 < ReadError> who knows, new week
2017-02-06T08:27:26 < emeb_mac> LeelooMinai: yeah - only see one mention of it so far & image search turns up no other instances of the poster I saw tweeted.
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2017-02-06T08:27:41 < emeb_mac> so could be wishful thinking
2017-02-06T08:28:27 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuc18xISwI
2017-02-06T08:30:45 < ohsix> ReadError: lul seeing justin roiland talk shit about the OA, kind of makes me want you to see it
2017-02-06T08:31:14 < ohsix> it's an interesting experience to say the least
2017-02-06T08:31:20 < ReadError> ?
2017-02-06T08:31:27 < ohsix> the netflix thing i watched 'the oa''
2017-02-06T08:31:34 < ohsix> other people have, they have ideas
2017-02-06T08:31:48 < ohsix> i didn't recommend it but it would be pretty lul if you did watch it
2017-02-06T08:35:17 < ohsix> lul twitter https://twitter.com/JohnLegere/status/828427009256628224
2017-02-06T08:35:39 < ohsix> wat that guy has batman in his header
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2017-02-06T08:49:57 < dongs> looks like gay shit
2017-02-06T08:52:15 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/7eu2p6lk0wdy.png
2017-02-06T08:53:54 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/i94c3eeo0qdy.png
2017-02-06T08:54:21 < dongs> makes sense
2017-02-06T08:56:43 < upgrdman> lol irl   https://youtu.be/g8QDCMuy6oM?t=38
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2017-02-06T09:20:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: trying to channel medhi sagdhar?
2017-02-06T09:21:15 < upgrdman> i guess he might be
2017-02-06T09:22:00 < ohsix> lul i rt'd the fan thing too
2017-02-06T09:22:11 < ohsix> the REAL problem is someone put a wall there amirite
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2017-02-06T09:23:19 < ohsix> lul why are isolation transformers $$$
2017-02-06T09:23:36 < ohsix> are they offsettnig shipping costs cuz of the weight or something
2017-02-06T09:24:13 < Rob235> what size leds are good for persistence of vision displays?
2017-02-06T09:24:28 < ohsix> need to get one for the lab but if they're 200$ and i'm the only one that is going to use it near term, it's a big-ish ask
2017-02-06T09:24:59 < ohsix> Rob235: how does it matter? it's just the width ya?
2017-02-06T09:25:50 < Rob235> guess I'm wondering if the border is less on the smaller ones to decrease pixel spacing
2017-02-06T09:25:57 < ohsix> practically speaking you just have smt tiny ones and big 10mm ones
2017-02-06T09:26:14 < Rob235> probably gonna try the 3535
2017-02-06T09:26:24 < ohsix> hm actually it might not be a dumb question
2017-02-06T09:26:48 < ohsix> the gaps are pretty large in POV displays, i don't know if that is because it is cheaper or if the spacing helps the effect
2017-02-06T09:27:29 < ohsix> hehe you could use one of those 128x64 oled displays to test, they are very close and emit light only where you want
2017-02-06T09:27:34 < ohsix> just draw a line in the middle
2017-02-06T09:27:58 < ohsix> since it is a bitmap display you can play with the size and spacing with code changes
2017-02-06T09:28:02 < Rob235> I could have leds on both sides of the spinner and have them so that the centers of one side fit the gaps of the other
2017-02-06T09:28:22 < Rob235> not sure how well that would turn out
2017-02-06T09:28:30 < ohsix> so #1) probably doesn't matter #2) you could test it lul
2017-02-06T09:28:53 < ohsix> the OLED is at least serial already, if you build slip rings or something then you'll have fewer wires & less mass ;]
2017-02-06T09:29:04 < ohsix> spin it in the center of the display
2017-02-06T09:30:13 < ohsix> guerilla prototype it, glue on the battery and glue the whole thing on a buffer pad, spin with a drill ;]
2017-02-06T09:30:15 < Rob235> I was gonna go the air-core transformer route but I dunno, its too late, I gotta go to sleep
2017-02-06T09:31:07 < ohsix> i did a thing up with slip rings that used a trs connector
2017-02-06T09:31:09 < ohsix> it worked ok
2017-02-06T09:31:22 < Rob235> Ive heard they don't last very long though
2017-02-06T09:31:35 < ohsix> yea i didn' ttry different types of jacks or anything
2017-02-06T09:31:53 < ohsix> if you grease them it should still be a while
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2017-02-06T09:32:02 < ohsix> they just wear, like any slip ring
2017-02-06T09:34:00 < ohsix> cooler to do things on the cheap, has more street cred
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2017-02-06T09:41:32 < psprint> What do you think about this idea:
2017-02-06T09:41:46 < psprint> To include like 2x8 pin header on Nucleo/Disco, with alternate functions configuration, to direct chosen CPU pins to selected pins on the header?
2017-02-06T09:42:04 < psprint> to be able to use ribbon cable
2017-02-06T09:42:21 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/50Pcs-P75-B1-Dia-1-02mm-100g-Spring-Test-Probe-Pogo-Pin-Tool-Cusp-Spear-/172485116647?hash=item2828ea02e7:g:CaAAAOSwjDZYeJcQ is this a mistake listing or wut, i thought these  cost much more
2017-02-06T09:43:11 < ohsix> heheh beryllium copper
2017-02-06T09:43:29 < ohsix> if that were true you'd need special handling and shit
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2017-02-06T09:58:04 < psprint> What about the 2x8 pin header with arbitrary signals routed? Wouldn't it be great to use ribbon cable to pass complete DCMI data from other board, for example
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2017-02-06T10:12:25 < dongs> what about autism
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2017-02-06T10:31:54 < Tectu> Hi
2017-02-06T10:40:56 < ReadError> ribbon cable
2017-02-06T10:41:00 < ReadError> real innovations taking place
2017-02-06T10:50:49 < ohsix> lul you can get a free buffalo from the department of the interior
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2017-02-06T10:52:45 < ReadError> how many wings will that make
2017-02-06T10:54:28 < ReadError> the entire internets is talking about how most excellent the ladygaga performance was
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2017-02-06T10:57:46 < ReadError> excuse me?
2017-02-06T10:59:39 < ReadError> R2COM: did u get an iphone
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2017-02-06T11:23:32 < karlp> 9 in the morning and r2bro/lílö still at it? damn. 
2017-02-06T11:25:47 < sync_> ohsix: you don't
2017-02-06T11:29:41 < karlp> ohsix: um, wat? becu is kinda standard, no special handling required.
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2017-02-06T12:06:50 < ReadError> he get his paki codes?
2017-02-06T12:17:55 < Steffanx> I fail to read properly. For the F7 they say the max hclk is 200MHz when using SDRAM, but i fail to find what the maximum SDRAM clock would be. I assume /2 as with F4, but where do i find this in the RM
2017-02-06T12:18:09 < ohsix> https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/nintchdbpict000295538013.jpg
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2017-02-06T12:48:51 < Steffanx> 1 pixil LeelooMinai?
2017-02-06T12:54:57 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M5GT3WW/
2017-02-06T12:54:58 < ReadError> neato
2017-02-06T12:55:39 < ReadError> sure
2017-02-06T12:56:41 < karlp> heh, cute: https://twitter.com/FauthNiklas/status/828311747345993737
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2017-02-06T13:13:27 < ReadError> because they are black/tan??
2017-02-06T13:16:13 < ReadError> just noticed the topic lol, "Not A Link Dump"
2017-02-06T13:20:02 < ReadError> Version : 17.0.9 Build (563) need to updates
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2017-02-06T13:38:01 < ReadError> have u ever used keil ?
2017-02-06T13:48:36 < Steffanx> Crt and his drunk lies.
2017-02-06T13:50:08 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-02-06T13:54:23 < karlp> meee tooo!
2017-02-06T13:59:39 < Tectu> +1
2017-02-06T14:01:22 < Tectu> going to call you scl from now on
2017-02-06T14:01:22 < psprint> love those things, dream about having enough of them plus headers, ribbon cables, also jumper wires as a last resort: http://pl.farnell.com/amp-te-connectivity/215307-8/socket-vertical-2row-16way/dp/3419241
2017-02-06T14:01:47 < Gerritjan> can sombody tell me how its possible i cant get LD2_Pin and LD2_GPIO_Port
2017-02-06T14:02:00 < Tectu> what do you mean by ´get´ ?
2017-02-06T14:04:06 < Gerritjan> got it
2017-02-06T14:07:09 < Gerritjan> it was defined in the Header file :S so it was PA5 and GPIOA :S
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2017-02-06T14:30:35 < Steffanx> Imgur will do crt
2017-02-06T14:31:05 < zyp> what porn are you trading under the table now?
2017-02-06T14:31:26 < zyp> oh
2017-02-06T14:31:36 < Steffanx> Im proud of you crt.
2017-02-06T14:32:15 < Steffanx> I really didnt believe you, but... Maybe you photoshopped? :P
2017-02-06T14:36:21 < ReadError> how do u associate it with crt, Steffanx ?
2017-02-06T14:38:28 < Steffanx> He's stvn
2017-02-06T14:38:40 < ReadError> ya i know that
2017-02-06T14:38:42 < ReadError> but the paper
2017-02-06T14:38:48 < ReadError> what ties him to it
2017-02-06T14:40:20 < zyp> I know Steffanx' real name
2017-02-06T14:40:38 < zyp> and addr
2017-02-06T14:40:51 < zyp> so just lemme now if he bullies you and I'll go sort him out
2017-02-06T14:40:53 < zyp> know
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2017-02-06T14:43:29  * karlp has a "NOUP-doxing" folder in zypsnips ;)
2017-02-06T14:43:48 < Steffanx> Lol ill send you some more airfryrers zyp
2017-02-06T14:44:09 < Steffanx> Hows it frying?
2017-02-06T14:54:24 < zyp> karlp, a what?
2017-02-06T14:57:01 < Steffanx> Sleep tight steven
2017-02-06T14:57:06 < karlp> folder of things not to be committed.
2017-02-06T14:58:02 < BrainDamage> does it inclde naked pics of several users?
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2017-02-06T15:00:03 < karlp> not yet?
2017-02-06T15:00:22 < tpw_rules> are you accepting submissions?
2017-02-06T15:02:20 < ReadError> send all entries to dongs
2017-02-06T15:02:49 < karlp> sure. if you want to message me nudes, do so. I'll save them in my uncommitted folder.  
2017-02-06T15:03:03 < karlp> if you're happy with them being public, by all means send them as PRs on github.
2017-02-06T15:03:16 < tpw_rules> i think people who message you nudes should be committedf
2017-02-06T15:07:02 < ReadError> to github or a mental institution ?
2017-02-06T15:07:32 < karlp> hangon, is tpw_rules an actual swede?
2017-02-06T15:07:39 < karlp> did we finally get one?
2017-02-06T15:09:33 < zyp> hard to tell, he haven't said much stupid shit yet
2017-02-06T15:10:05 < karlp> they're connected via swedish freenode at least.
2017-02-06T15:10:54 < zyp> well, you're connected via hungarian freenode
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2017-02-06T15:14:42 < karlp> was hoping it did more geo dns, but I guess it might be just pure load based
2017-02-06T15:15:39 < BrainDamage> I think it's simple round robin
2017-02-06T15:16:09 < karlp> I would hop they don't offer australians connections via europe just on the roll of the dice.
2017-02-06T15:24:26 < zyp> probably a mix of location and load balancing
2017-02-06T15:42:03 < englishman> I assume there is some complicated algorithm based on research that's broken as fuck because freenode
2017-02-06T15:44:03 < englishman> did anyone doubt for a second that crt is a pro engineer
2017-02-06T15:44:25 < englishman> he's not using his degree because he preferred to make money instead
2017-02-06T15:48:34 < aandrew> can agree; I have no degree and I make good money
2017-02-06T15:55:16 < Steffanx> Can we get a photo with proof? Crt sent us photos with proof ;)
2017-02-06T15:57:20 < aandrew> you want a photo of my lack of degree?
2017-02-06T15:57:59 < Steffanx> The munny.
2017-02-06T15:58:22 < aandrew> I don't have a storage locker with cash stacked on a tarp, Breaking Bad style
2017-02-06T15:58:32 < Steffanx> :P
2017-02-06T15:59:02 < aandrew> I've got a decent house, gold digger wife and pile of kids including from an ex I pay support to... that ought to be proof enough
2017-02-06T15:59:40 < aandrew> actually she's not a gold digger, she's got a degree in accounting and could make good money. she is high maintenance though (by her own admission)
2017-02-06T16:02:43 < kakimir> #golddiggers32
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2017-02-06T17:16:16 < psprint> I have plastic connector housing – crimp one. I cannot find proper crimps. Is there any hack I can do? http://www.newark.com/amp-te-connectivity/640250-4/wire-board-connector-receptacle/dp/90F4297
2017-02-06T17:21:23 < tpw_rules> karlp: i could be
2017-02-06T17:21:39 < tpw_rules> also that's weird. i'm physically located in the US
2017-02-06T17:24:22 < BrainDamage> psprint: needle nose pliers, but it's going to be a pain without a crimper
2017-02-06T17:24:40 < englishman> arrow rep on the phone wasting my time
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2017-02-06T17:25:17 < karlp> englishman: I thought arrow was last weeks hate?
2017-02-06T17:26:08 < psprint> BrainDamage: please any less-native english?
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2017-02-06T17:27:58 < BrainDamage> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Klein_Tools_D203-6.jpg those are needle nose pliers
2017-02-06T17:28:30 < BrainDamage> you can use to crimp the metal sockets
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2017-02-06T17:29:49 < englishman> he was completetly clueless
2017-02-06T17:30:04 < englishman> but
2017-02-06T17:30:07 < englishman> gave me better pricing
2017-02-06T17:30:17 < englishman> STM32F746VET6 $9.74 in singles
2017-02-06T17:31:24 < karlp> get your RMA throiught at least?
2017-02-06T17:31:25 < psprint> BrainDamage: so I stated unclearly. It's the metal sockets that I don't have
2017-02-06T17:31:28 < englishman> nope!
2017-02-06T17:31:55 < karlp> (fixed my dsp issue from last week, filter coeefs were being loaded from eeprom, not using the values in code I thought I was using)
2017-02-06T17:32:31 < karlp> psprint: are you trying to stuff the femaleish pbits to go inside that?
2017-02-06T17:32:41 < karlp> or do yu have that on a cable, and you need to get some hack to it?
2017-02-06T17:32:55 < karlp> (if it's just a hack, cut the header off and solder the wires on...)
2017-02-06T17:35:13 < BrainDamage> psprint: then the best you can do is jam stranded wire in the holes and add glue, but it's going to be shit
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2017-02-06T18:13:47 < psprint> karlp: I would like to have femaleish pbits, that would make a lot of sense, and it's what should be done – but I have only 2 way cable, just cutted, would divide it /2 to have 4 ways, and that's it
2017-02-06T18:14:29 < psprint> BrainDamage: thanks, glue sounds interesting in my situation
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2017-02-06T18:24:25 < psprint> Are there any imposters here using GD32F103 instead of STM32F103 ;)
2017-02-06T18:26:32 < englishman> yep
2017-02-06T18:27:06 < englishman> a ##stm32bro even sent zeptobars one https://zeptobars.com/en/read/GD32F103CBT6-mcm-serial-flash-Giga-Devices
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2017-02-06T18:36:00 < psprint> They have F4 boards with 512 KiB SRAM, I bought ST F7 to have that
2017-02-06T18:36:04 < psprint> s/boards/chips/
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2017-02-06T18:42:27 < karlp> ERR_SPDY_INADEQUATE_TRANSPORT_SECURITY
2017-02-06T18:42:31 < karlp> fucking ninterwebs.
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2017-02-06T18:43:38 < ReadError> https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/637/text?r=1
2017-02-06T18:43:41 < ReadError> we all gon die
2017-02-06T18:43:49 < ReadError> (2) EXCLUSION.The term air pollutant does not include carbon dioxide, water vapor, methane, nitrous oxide, hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons, or sulfur hexafluoride.
2017-02-06T18:44:01 < ReadError> good thing ill be generating my own oxygen 
2017-02-06T18:44:04 < ReadError> sucks for yall
2017-02-06T18:44:50 < englishman> karlp: how old is your browser
2017-02-06T18:44:54 < ReadError> (4) no attempt to regulate greenhouse gases should be undertaken without further Congressional action.
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2017-02-06T18:45:03 < karlp> englishman: not that old, but not yesterdays either.
2017-02-06T18:45:12 < karlp> fucking hatefox is explding differently too.
2017-02-06T18:45:46 < englishman> firecocks
2017-02-06T18:45:49 < englishman> theres a blast from the past
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2017-02-06T18:46:23 < karlp> even just typing in www.zeptobars.com<enter> does .... nothing.
2017-02-06T18:46:30 < karlp> www.ibm.com<enter> loads fine.
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2017-02-06T18:52:36 < Tectu> matlab <3
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2017-02-06T18:59:50 < Ecco> Hi Tectu :)
2017-02-06T19:00:20 < Tectu> Hi there, Mr. Ecco
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2017-02-06T19:08:32 < psprint> Cool thing for clean prototyping, without bush of jumper wires: http://imgur.com/a/H5E4t
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2017-02-06T19:20:29 < Tectu> > A police officer in Georgia died after a inhaling a fatal amount of liquid nitrogen while trying to rescue a worker at a sperm bank.
2017-02-06T19:20:32 < Tectu> how on earth is that even possible?
2017-02-06T19:21:34 < BrainDamage> it probably wasn't liquid when he inhaled it
2017-02-06T19:21:51 < BrainDamage> and it's actually a pretty real danger when working with LN2
2017-02-06T19:22:17 < BrainDamage> you need ventilation, if the nitrogen starts to boil too fast it can displace oxygen
2017-02-06T19:22:37 < BrainDamage> but your brain can sense asphixia only from CO2 levels
2017-02-06T19:22:44 < ReadError> Donald J. Trump  ‏@realDonaldTrump
2017-02-06T19:22:44 < ReadError> Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting.
2017-02-06T19:22:54 < ReadError> ;>
2017-02-06T19:22:59 < BrainDamage> so you'll be suffocating without noticing, because of no CO2 sensed
2017-02-06T19:23:31 < Tectu> BrainDamage, interesting
2017-02-06T19:24:28 < sync_> Tectu: look up exit bags
2017-02-06T19:24:42 < sync_> gas inhalation different than co2 is a real danger
2017-02-06T19:25:44 < Tectu> interesting. I assumed that anything non o2 would cause a ´reaction´
2017-02-06T19:25:59 < sync_> no, only too much co2
2017-02-06T19:26:29 < sync_> pretty stupid design
2017-02-06T19:27:50 < sync_> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/such_bodennebel.jpg as Laurenceb will comment, that this is an asphyxiation risk
2017-02-06T19:28:12 < sync_> but yeah, the o2 content in the lab drops to 17-18% when it overflows like that
2017-02-06T19:28:50 < Tectu> so you literally don´t notice ANYTHING bust just randomly die at some point?
2017-02-06T19:29:10 < sync_> you will pass out and then die
2017-02-06T19:29:33 < englishman> one of the effects of hypoxia is euphoria
2017-02-06T19:29:39 < BrainDamage> you'll actually get pretty dumb without noticing
2017-02-06T19:29:45 < BrainDamage> like really dumb
2017-02-06T19:29:46 < sync_> yeah
2017-02-06T19:29:54 < sync_> if you constantly test yourself, you notice it
2017-02-06T19:30:01 < sync_> but if you don't you just pass out and die
2017-02-06T19:30:16 < sync_> it is funny how dumb you can get without actually noticing
2017-02-06T19:30:26 < englishman> Tectu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqWal_EmBg <-- hypoxia
2017-02-06T19:31:06 < Tectu> constantly test? is there time for that?
2017-02-06T19:31:21 < sync_> if you walk into a gas bubble, no
2017-02-06T19:31:23 < BrainDamage> you want a o2 sensor and proper ventilation
2017-02-06T19:31:32 < englishman> this guy did it well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUfF2MTnqAw
2017-02-06T19:31:52 < BrainDamage> constant test is for medical pourposes and self limit awareness eg for pilots and divers
2017-02-06T19:32:16 < englishman> "unable to control altitude. unable to control airspeed. unable to control heading. other than that, everyone A-OK"
2017-02-06T19:32:18 < BrainDamage> ( nitrogen narcosis is quite a common problem at ~40m depth with normal compressed air )
2017-02-06T19:32:19 < englishman> cracks me up every time
2017-02-06T19:32:55 < sync_> oh wow englishman
2017-02-06T19:33:05 < englishman> yeaman
2017-02-06T19:33:15 < sync_> the ATC is like ????
2017-02-06T19:33:20 < Tectu> what kind of tests are we talking about anyway?
2017-02-06T19:33:25 < sync_> doing maths
2017-02-06T19:33:30 < sync_> or trying to count your fingers
2017-02-06T19:33:52 < BrainDamage> you'll fail even things like fitting round pegs in round holes
2017-02-06T19:34:43 < Tectu> o.O
2017-02-06T19:34:55 < sync_> "affirmative, we sure are"
2017-02-06T19:34:55 < Tectu> does one have permanent brain damage at that point already?
2017-02-06T19:35:16 < BrainDamage> no, after blackout typically yes tough
2017-02-06T19:35:51 < BrainDamage> what really sucks is the pinhole vision
2017-02-06T19:36:47 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUfF2MTnqAw&t=5m
2017-02-06T19:37:20 < BrainDamage> you canhear the slurring
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2017-02-06T19:41:20 < Tectu> thanks for all the info guys
2017-02-06T19:54:47 < englishman> whats up on this fabulululuous monday Tectu 
2017-02-06T19:55:01 < englishman> besides your asphyxiation fantasies
2017-02-06T19:55:55 < sync_> haha yeah the smarter erryday guy did well
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2017-02-06T19:57:12 < Tectu> that other guy said that if his blood oxygen level goes below 60 death just occurs randomly/instantly ´´like that´´. I mean... wut? really?
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2017-02-06T19:58:57 < BrainDamage> if you have an existing precondition, which you can have for a lifetime and not notice, eg narrowed veins, etc, but it was mostly to give him a sense of urgency
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2017-02-06T19:59:25 < BrainDamage> which just flew by his stupified brain
2017-02-06T20:02:10 < Tectu> interesting
2017-02-06T20:02:20 < Tectu> he didn´t seem to do that bad on that shape test though
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2017-02-06T20:14:18 < Tectu> englishman, not much, there?
2017-02-06T20:14:39 < englishman> not much
2017-02-06T20:15:05 < Tectu> placin´ much?
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2017-02-06T20:15:44 < englishman> all weekend
2017-02-06T20:15:48 < englishman> ~5k parts
2017-02-06T20:15:58 < englishman> currently unfucking some LGAs
2017-02-06T20:16:21 < englishman> i need an xray
2017-02-06T20:16:28 < sync_> ya
2017-02-06T20:16:48 < Steffanx> Can we close the Arrow story yet englishman?
2017-02-06T20:17:11 < englishman> noe
2017-02-06T20:17:20 < englishman> but did you see dat f746 price
2017-02-06T20:17:22 < aandrew> hm
2017-02-06T20:17:37 < aandrew> stm32, why the hell is my uart baudrate not correct if my clock config seems sane?
2017-02-06T20:18:05 < aandrew> 25Mhz crystal, PLLM=20, N=192, P=DIV2, Q=5
2017-02-06T20:18:20 < Tectu> time to math
2017-02-06T20:18:36 < aandrew> gives me 120MHz sysclk. AHBDIV=1, APB1DIV=4, APB2DIV=2
2017-02-06T20:18:58 < aandrew> USART6 is on APB2 so has 60MHz clock
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2017-02-06T20:26:03 < zyp> aandrew, lemme guess, you forgot that the baudrate divisor is .4 fixedpoint
2017-02-06T20:26:24 < zyp> so you're getting a baudrate 16 times too high
2017-02-06T20:30:02 < aandrew> zyp: I'm just using HAL
2017-02-06T20:30:24 < aandrew> code worked fine with the 8MHz coming from the stlink
2017-02-06T20:30:29 < aandrew> on my own board though I have 25Mhz crystal
2017-02-06T20:30:32 < aandrew> got that reconf'd
2017-02-06T20:30:33 < zyp> ok, I'm not sure how HAL expects you to enter that value
2017-02-06T20:31:08 < zyp> how does your uart config code work?
2017-02-06T20:31:11 < zyp> look*
2017-02-06T20:31:18 < zyp> pastebin please
2017-02-06T20:33:11 < aandrew> http://pastebin.com/xVBXj6hg
2017-02-06T20:33:14 < aandrew> it's too simple to be wrong
2017-02-06T20:33:31 < aandrew> and like I said, with UART3 and the STM32 eval board it was fine
2017-02-06T20:33:41 < aandrew> measured freq of crystal and it's definitely 25MHz
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2017-02-06T20:34:04 < Gerritjan> Hey all
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2017-02-06T20:34:16 < zyp> aandrew, and what baudrate are you getting?
2017-02-06T20:34:33 < Gerritjan> I have a question can i use a arduino the tx and rx to get the info from the UART from the stm32?
2017-02-06T20:35:07 < zyp> Gerritjan, that's a weird question to ask
2017-02-06T20:35:19 < Gerritjan> well im weird :D
2017-02-06T20:35:38 < zyp> why wouldn't it work?
2017-02-06T20:36:14 < Gerritjan> dont know im only asking because i can use the RX1 and TX1 from the arduino and pass it straight to the pc :D
2017-02-06T20:36:17 < aandrew> 357100
2017-02-06T20:36:58 < aandrew> 2.8us bit time not 8.7
2017-02-06T20:37:12 < zyp> aandrew, ha, nice, so it thinks you have an 8MHz crystal
2017-02-06T20:37:30 < Gerritjan> i did try it with the nucleo debugger usb but it cant be done in eclipse because hte debugger is in use
2017-02-06T20:38:33 < zyp> aandrew, idk how HAL calculates what your bus freq is, but somehow it does it wrong, probably
2017-02-06T20:38:49 < aandrew> zyp: which is odd, my APB2 PCLK is 60MHz
2017-02-06T20:39:03 < zyp> sure, but does HAL know that?
2017-02-06T20:39:21 < aandrew> yeah, looking at src
2017-02-06T20:39:32 < zyp> also, are you sure you haven't accidentally overclocked the entire chip to 360MHz? :)
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2017-02-06T20:39:52 < zyp> anyway
2017-02-06T20:40:02 < zyp> you have a debugger hooked up to this, right?
2017-02-06T20:40:13 < zyp> which chip is it btw? F2?
2017-02-06T20:40:38 < Gerritjan> me?
2017-02-06T20:40:48 < zyp> no, aandrew 
2017-02-06T20:40:56 < Gerritjan> oke
2017-02-06T20:41:25 < zyp> Gerritjan, idk what your problem is anyway, I think you just need to think more
2017-02-06T20:41:40 < Gerritjan> :d
2017-02-06T20:42:02 < zyp> and if you can't think enough on your own, think more about the right questions to ask at least
2017-02-06T20:42:30 < emeb> zyp: you use F7?
2017-02-06T20:42:39 < zyp> emeb, not yet
2017-02-06T20:42:42 < zyp> why?
2017-02-06T20:42:43 < Tectu> probably hypoxia?
2017-02-06T20:43:02 < emeb> zyp: trying to get your cyclesleep stuff working on F7 - doesn't so far.
2017-02-06T20:43:24 < zyp> does it have the DWT block?
2017-02-06T20:43:31 < emeb> AFAIK yes
2017-02-06T20:44:11 < emeb> ARM docs say Cortex M7 has DWT
2017-02-06T20:44:15 < zyp> check that the addrs and stuff are still the same
2017-02-06T20:44:17 < zyp> well
2017-02-06T20:44:22 < zyp> IIRC DWT is always optional
2017-02-06T20:44:32 < emeb> and CMSIS headers have DWT #defines
2017-02-06T20:44:34 < dongs> cocks
2017-02-06T20:44:34 < zyp> F7 might have left it out
2017-02-06T20:44:41 < emeb> could be
2017-02-06T20:44:46 < dongs> emeb, still no luck?
2017-02-06T20:45:00 < emeb> dongs: just got around to it a few min ago. but no worky.
2017-02-06T20:45:09 < dongs> crazy talk
2017-02-06T20:45:12 < zyp> you could just use any other timer though
2017-02-06T20:45:14 < dongs> im switching to atmel  S70.
2017-02-06T20:45:21 < dongs> no dwt, no sale.
2017-02-06T20:45:36 < emeb> zyp: yeah - just using HAL for low res stuff ATM.
2017-02-06T20:46:12 < Steffanx> Did emeb also unlock the registers using the LAR?
2017-02-06T20:46:16 < zyp> it's a shame the ARM core doesn't have a freerunning timer with a compare register, would be so much more useful than systick
2017-02-06T20:46:45 < emeb> Steffanx: tell me more about this LAR of which you speak.
2017-02-06T20:47:05 < dongs> lar more like LARP
2017-02-06T20:47:56 < aandrew> yeah, f207. I am debugging it, there's a wrinkle that the CPU has to power on its own supply (long story) so I'm working around that
2017-02-06T20:48:19 < zyp> aandrew, so anyway, check the value of USART6_BRR, for a 60MHz bus and 115200 baud, it should contain 8333
2017-02-06T20:48:23  * emeb greps the ARM docs
2017-02-06T20:49:13 < Steffanx> There is DWT_LAR emeb
2017-02-06T20:49:14 < zyp> aandrew, if it is actually 8333 then you've overclocked the chip by 3x or some shit like that and should fix that, if it's not 8333, HAL is calculating it wrong
2017-02-06T20:49:27 < emeb> Steffanx: aha - looking at docs now.
2017-02-06T20:49:30 < dongs> is your HSE_VALUE define correct?
2017-02-06T20:49:37 < dongs> hal/stdperiph uses t hat define to calculate clocks/shit
2017-02-06T20:49:37 < Steffanx> => 0xC5ACCE55
2017-02-06T20:50:26 < dongs> yep
2017-02-06T20:50:28 < zyp> Steffanx, since when do you have to do that?
2017-02-06T20:50:30 < dongs> stackoverflow to teh rescue
2017-02-06T20:50:32 < dongs> zyp, 
2017-02-06T20:50:33 < dongs> From what I have read in other posts it seems like you need to set the FP_LAR register to 0xC5ACCE55 to be able to change DWT_CTRL.
2017-02-06T20:50:36 < Steffanx> Since M7 i guess zyp?
2017-02-06T20:50:38 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-06T20:50:43 < Tectu> dongs, how do you tectu?
2017-02-06T20:50:46 < zyp> hmm, ok
2017-02-06T20:50:54 < Steffanx> How do you Tectu, Tectu?
2017-02-06T20:50:56 < dongs> its probly in cmsis too
2017-02-06T20:51:02 < dongs> i wouldnt go making random defines
2017-02-06T20:51:22 < Steffanx> Tectu, do you dongs?
2017-02-06T20:52:41 < zyp> aandrew, disregard 8333, it should be 520 or 521 (depending on rounding)
2017-02-06T20:52:49 < dongs> yeah DWT struct is in core_cm7.h
2017-02-06T20:52:59 < zyp> aandrew, I mathed wrong
2017-02-06T20:53:22 < emeb> Steffanx: that did it.
2017-02-06T20:53:48 < zyp> nice, I'll have to remember that if I ever want to use DWT on M7
2017-02-06T20:54:05 < zyp> are you actually using that in production code?
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2017-02-06T20:54:35 < zyp> IIRC somebody claimed that turning on DWT upped the power consumption by a noticeable amount
2017-02-06T20:54:41 < emeb> zyp: I have used it in production code in the past. This is just experimenting for future stuff.
2017-02-06T20:56:13 < emeb> // turn on cycle counter
2017-02-06T20:56:14 < emeb> void cyccnt_enable()
2017-02-06T20:56:14 < emeb> {
2017-02-06T20:56:14 < emeb>     /* Enable TRC */
2017-02-06T20:56:14 < emeb>     CoreDebug->DEMCR &= ~CoreDebug_DEMCR_TRCENA_Msk;
2017-02-06T20:56:14 < emeb>     CoreDebug->DEMCR |=  CoreDebug_DEMCR_TRCENA_Msk;
2017-02-06T20:56:14 < emeb> 	
2017-02-06T20:56:15 < emeb>     /* tickle the LAR */
2017-02-06T20:56:16 < emeb>     DWT->LAR = 0xC5ACCE55;
2017-02-06T20:56:16 < emeb>     
2017-02-06T20:56:17 < emeb>     /* Enable counter */
2017-02-06T20:56:17 < emeb>     DWT->CTRL &= ~DWT_CTRL_CYCCNTENA_Msk;
2017-02-06T20:56:17 < emeb>     DWT->CTRL |=  DWT_CTRL_CYCCNTENA_Msk;
2017-02-06T20:56:18 < emeb> }
2017-02-06T20:56:25 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-02-06T20:56:38 < emeb> converted to use CMSIS defs
2017-02-06T20:56:52 < upgrdman> i though freenode auto drop'd people that paste like >5 lines
2017-02-06T20:57:05 < upgrdman> guess not
2017-02-06T20:57:07 < emeb> perhaps I'm special
2017-02-06T20:57:14 < dongs> emeb: 
2017-02-06T20:57:15 < dongs> #define __CORTEX_M                (7U)                                       /*!< Cortex-M Core */
2017-02-06T20:57:26 < dongs> add #if __CORTEX_M == 7 in that LAR t hing
2017-02-06T20:57:32 < dongs> thats not defined in lower cores
2017-02-06T20:57:34 < aandrew> zyp: hm?
2017-02-06T20:57:36 < dongs> (not in .h)
2017-02-06T20:58:00 < emeb> dongs: sure - If I was writing code to run everywhere.
2017-02-06T20:58:07 < zyp> aandrew, check the value of USART6_BRR, for a 60MHz bus and 115200 baud, it should be 521 or so
2017-02-06T20:58:24 < aandrew> I'm seeing 32.5625 as the desired value (0x409)
2017-02-06T20:58:43 < zyp> wat
2017-02-06T20:59:17 < aandrew> for OVER8=0 mode, for OVER8=1, should be 0x812
2017-02-06T20:59:23 < zyp> ah, we agree
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2017-02-06T20:59:36 < zyp> 521 is 32.5625 * 16
2017-02-06T20:59:54 < zyp> idk about your hex, it's 0x209
2017-02-06T21:00:08 < aandrew> according to page 639 of the RM
2017-02-06T21:00:37 < zyp> yeah, sure
2017-02-06T21:00:50 < zyp> anyway, read out that register with your debugger, figure out what it's set to
2017-02-06T21:01:21 < zyp> if it's not actually 0x209, HAL is calculating it wrong
2017-02-06T21:01:31 < Fleck> emeb: http://bfy.tw/9vLJ
2017-02-06T21:01:34 < aandrew> yeah it's 0x147 which is fucky
2017-02-06T21:01:39 < aandrew> which means the HAL_Init() is wrong
2017-02-06T21:01:44 < zyp> right
2017-02-06T21:01:55 < zyp> now see what dongs mentioned about HSE_VALUE
2017-02-06T21:02:14 < dongs> ^_^
2017-02-06T21:02:54 < aandrew> fuck a duck
2017-02-06T21:02:57 < aandrew> that's the error
2017-02-06T21:03:05 < dongs> < pro
2017-02-06T21:03:08 < aandrew> indeed
2017-02-06T21:03:12 < aandrew> fucking magic value shit
2017-02-06T21:03:33 < dongs> lame thing is, headers will auto-define it to something random i think either 8 or 25mhz
2017-02-06T21:03:36 < dongs> if yo udon't define it
2017-02-06T21:03:40 < dongs> and then all the calculations of shit will be wrong
2017-02-06T21:03:41 < zyp> shame, I was hoping you actually had the chip running at 360MHz
2017-02-06T21:08:51 < emeb> always set HSE_VALUE
2017-02-06T21:16:34 < aandrew> yeah
2017-02-06T21:16:37 < aandrew> thank you guys
2017-02-06T21:16:45 < aandrew> I would have taken another hour to find that
2017-02-06T21:19:04 < emeb> I usually use 8MHz xtal and for some families it defaults to 25MHz so  my stuff ends up running about 1/3 as fast as I expect if I don't do that.
2017-02-06T21:32:11 < psprint> My science, programming and electronics room: https://youtu.be/qNTYTuEaOEQ
2017-02-06T21:33:18 < emeb> zyp: did some quick power draw tests w/ cycle timer
2017-02-06T21:33:55 < emeb> tried delay using cyclesleep busywait vs HAL_delay running off of systick.
2017-02-06T21:34:14 < emeb> saw about 15ma more current using HAL_delay()
2017-02-06T21:34:40 < emeb> turning cyclecount on had no visible effect on current.
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2017-02-06T21:36:46 < zyp> emeb, oh, interesting
2017-02-06T21:36:53 < zyp> what does HAL_delay base timing on?
2017-02-06T21:37:27 < emeb> it's got a global var that increments @ systick
2017-02-06T21:37:34 < emeb> just compares to that.
2017-02-06T21:39:07 < emeb> code is pretty simple so I've got no idea why it pulls so much more current for that.
2017-02-06T21:39:28 < zyp> uh, and waiting for that draws more power than cyclesleep?
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2017-02-06T21:39:41 < emeb> I know!
2017-02-06T21:39:51 < zyp> weird
2017-02-06T21:39:52 < emeb> but the var is in RAM instead of a CPU reg
2017-02-06T21:40:31 < zyp> code is probably larger too, if not inlined
2017-02-06T21:40:40 < zyp> more branching and shit
2017-02-06T21:40:43 < emeb> yeah
2017-02-06T21:40:47 < zyp> but idk, still weird
2017-02-06T21:40:50 < emeb> very
2017-02-06T21:41:13 < zyp> you say 15mA, how large amount of total is that?
2017-02-06T21:41:37 < emeb> this is on my own F7 board with lots of other stuff on it including an Ethernet PHY
2017-02-06T21:42:03 < emeb> 185ma @5V with cyclesleep, 199ma with HAL_Delay
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2017-02-06T21:58:26 < emeb> Turning off I & D cache cut current to about 166 for HAL_Delay and 160 for cyclesleep
2017-02-06T21:58:36 < emeb> so the cache activity is a big current drain
2017-02-06T21:58:58 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-06T21:59:10 < dongs>  < psprint> My science, programming and electronics room: https://youtu.be/qNTYTuEaOEQ
2017-02-06T21:59:14 < dongs> this video is not available
2017-02-06T21:59:25 < zyp> dongs, doesn't matter, not much to see
2017-02-06T21:59:35 < zyp> just decorations, not a workbench :p
2017-02-06T21:59:35 < psprint> dongs: now
2017-02-06T21:59:49 < dongs> nope, still banned
2017-02-06T22:00:07 < psprint> hyh google has some lag
2017-02-06T22:00:22 < dongs> gonna go watch new starwars in a bit
2017-02-06T22:00:27 < dongs> im a bit late to the part
2017-02-06T22:00:29 < dongs> y
2017-02-06T22:00:39 < dongs> probably gonna be like 2 people in theater, so thats good
2017-02-06T22:00:48 < zyp> haha
2017-02-06T22:01:06 < psprint> ok now it works
2017-02-06T22:01:39 < dongs> lava lamp, lol
2017-02-06T22:01:43 < psprint> ;)
2017-02-06T22:03:17 < emeb> dongs: spoiler - she's a guy.
2017-02-06T22:03:24 < emeb> oh wait - different movie
2017-02-06T22:03:28 < dongs> lul
2017-02-06T22:07:34 < dongs> emeb: that movie is called "leloominai - an irc story"
2017-02-06T22:10:39 < Steffanx> dongs, better watch Predestination then
2017-02-06T22:10:49 < dongs> im not into gay shit
2017-02-06T22:10:59 < Steffanx> it's "Drama, Mystery, Sci-Fi "
2017-02-06T22:11:11 < Steffanx> For his final assignment, a top temporal agent must pursue the one criminal that has eluded him throughout time. The chase turns into a unique, surprising and mind-bending exploration of love, fate, identity and time travel taboos.
2017-02-06T22:11:32 < Steffanx> You'll be totally happy.
2017-02-06T22:12:21 < emeb> Heh - thought that plot sounded familiar. Was from an old Heinlein story.
2017-02-06T22:13:08 < emeb> "Aaaiee - I'm my own dad. And Mom too!"
2017-02-06T22:13:53 < dongs> wow 21k views on my troll video of ladygaga failing in tokyo
2017-02-06T22:14:42 < Steffanx> Can we add a few extra views by linking it here?
2017-02-06T22:15:00 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F7AeImIK2k no its just retarded shit from like last year
2017-02-06T22:15:06 < dongs> not worth watching
2017-02-06T22:15:21 < dongs> comments are full of westaboos from philipines and other 3rd world places
2017-02-06T22:16:02 < Steffanx> Not even a 4k video
2017-02-06T22:16:39 < dongs> blame japan satellite backhaul
2017-02-06T22:16:43 < dongs> its all 1440x1080i mpeg2
2017-02-06T22:17:06 < Steffanx> oh you didnt shoot this.
2017-02-06T22:17:35 < dongs> yeah i stole it from tv asahi or some other shit
2017-02-06T22:20:24 < englishman> beep emeb 
2017-02-06T22:20:31 < emeb> englishman: boop
2017-02-06T22:20:41 < englishman> arrow offering me sub-$10 f746 in singles
2017-02-06T22:20:51 < emeb> englishman: awesome!
2017-02-06T22:21:44 < englishman> yeee
2017-02-06T22:21:47 < dongs> um
2017-02-06T22:21:48 < dongs> emeb: 
2017-02-06T22:21:49 < dongs> err
2017-02-06T22:21:51 < dongs> englishman: https://www.verical.com/pd/stmicroelectronics-microcontroller-stm32f746vet6-1984831
2017-02-06T22:21:55 < emeb> englishman: which one
2017-02-06T22:22:10 < englishman> yea must be same shit
2017-02-06T22:22:12 < englishman> arrow = verical
2017-02-06T22:22:15 < dongs> right
2017-02-06T22:22:30 < englishman> thats 25moq
2017-02-06T22:22:31 < englishman> tho
2017-02-06T22:22:35 < englishman> but whatevs~
2017-02-06T22:22:36 < dongs> no, 3 moq
2017-02-06T22:22:38 < englishman> mmhmm
2017-02-06T22:22:42 < englishman> @$12
2017-02-06T22:22:47 < emeb> hmm - my arrow shows $11.98 for that PN in singles
2017-02-06T22:22:47 < dongs> rite
2017-02-06T22:22:47 < dongs> shrug
2017-02-06T22:23:10 < englishman> the salesman blogged on for like 30mins apoligizing for all this shit he had 0 answers to
2017-02-06T22:23:49 < emeb> "alternative facts"
2017-02-06T22:29:35 < englishman> for usb device decoupling, can i use ceramics instead of tant/electrolytic
2017-02-06T22:29:58 < dongs> who says you should use elecyrolytics anyway
2017-02-06T22:30:03 < dongs> k time to starwars bbl
2017-02-06T22:30:09 < englishman> ti datasheet
2017-02-06T22:30:17 < englishman> host side
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2017-02-06T22:41:54 < emeb> I haven't actually shipped any product that implements USB host, but I've got some prototypes with host/otg function.
2017-02-06T22:42:26 < emeb> I just used same ckt that the ST disco boards used. Pretty sure they used MLCCs
2017-02-06T22:48:25 < englishman> usb2.0 spec just asks for 120uF of "low esr"
2017-02-06T22:48:47 < englishman> okey dou
2017-02-06T22:48:54 < emeb> It's hard to get 120uf with an MLCC
2017-02-06T22:49:05 < englishman> yeah but 100uf @6.3V is only 1206
2017-02-06T22:49:17 < englishman> hmm what would that be derated i wonder
2017-02-06T22:49:23 < emeb> be careful - check how much the value decreases with DC bias
2017-02-06T22:49:43 < englishman> right
2017-02-06T22:49:48 < emeb> and don't use a 6.3V rated cap when your working voltage is 5V
2017-02-06T22:50:00 < dongs> 2 people in theater
2017-02-06T22:50:04 < dongs> called it.
2017-02-06T22:50:05 < englishman> tants are all hueg esr tho
2017-02-06T22:50:14 < englishman> get off your phone asshole
2017-02-06T22:50:19 < englishman> is there a starwards?
2017-02-06T22:50:22 < englishman> didnt one just come out
2017-02-06T22:50:41 < emeb> yeah - like mid December
2017-02-06T22:50:45 < englishman> 6.3v tantalum should be fine tho
2017-02-06T22:50:46 < englishman> really
2017-02-06T22:50:56 < englishman> but i dont want to use tants
2017-02-06T22:56:33 < englishman> hm not much choice i guess
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2017-02-06T23:01:37 < englishman> Error
2017-02-06T23:01:37 < englishman> Registration cannot be completed at this time. Please contact the Service Center at 1-877-237-8621 or email feedback@arrow.com
2017-02-06T23:01:39 < englishman> fucking
2017-02-06T23:01:46 < englishman> arrow
2017-02-06T23:10:28 < Steffanx> awh
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2017-02-06T23:11:54 < Laurenceb_> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/93725/1486062959/fritzl.jpg
2017-02-06T23:12:20 < englishman> nice
2017-02-06T23:12:31 < englishman> how is that crafty fella doin
2017-02-06T23:16:09 < Laurenceb_> I think 4chan still send him birthday cards
2017-02-06T23:16:31 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if he does have a PhD
2017-02-06T23:17:16 < PeterM> englishman emeb could use aluminium poly
2017-02-06T23:17:43 < PeterM> at low voltages and (relatively) low capacitances they are cheaper and better than cerams
2017-02-06T23:18:19 < englishman> no space for a can :(
2017-02-06T23:19:49 < Laurenceb_> his education at an HTL Technical College with a qualification in electrical engineering,
2017-02-06T23:19:51 < Laurenceb_> lulz
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2017-02-06T23:20:09 < Laurenceb_> he should come to this channel
2017-02-06T23:21:06 < PeterM> englishman height? because the board space of the small ones are pretty close to that of 1206
2017-02-06T23:21:30 < englishman> oh alu poly
2017-02-06T23:21:32 < englishman> never used those
2017-02-06T23:21:35 < PeterM> http://www.digikey.com.au/product-detail/en/kemet/A750BG227M0JAAE020/399-13660-ND/6196320
2017-02-06T23:22:08 < PeterM>  5mm round, 1206 is 4.8mm between ends
2017-02-06T23:22:55 < PeterM> excuse the non-freedom currency
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2017-02-06T23:23:12 < PeterM> although you're from .ca right englishman?
2017-02-06T23:23:19 < PeterM> so it is probablyt the same
2017-02-06T23:23:41 < englishman> metric4lyfe
2017-02-06T23:23:58 < PeterM> yeah also $CAD /$AUD is pretty much the same hting
2017-02-06T23:24:07 < englishman> buck brothers
2017-02-06T23:25:25 < PeterM> but yeah, alu poly are the shit
2017-02-06T23:26:15 < englishman> do you find it annoying that the line on tants is on the + side and the line on alu is on the - side
2017-02-06T23:26:34 < PeterM> i use them on basically anything <12v because $/uF they are amaze
2017-02-06T23:26:36 < PeterM> yeah
2017-02-06T23:26:44 < PeterM> i find that annoying
2017-02-06T23:26:58 < PeterM> i also find the bl;ack tants annoying because at a glance i think they are fuckign diodes 
2017-02-06T23:27:30 < englishman> and they have a crappy texture
2017-02-06T23:27:57 < PeterM> http://www.communica.co.za/Content/Catalog/Images/I1823738670.jpg vs https://static.rapidonline.com/catalogueimages/Module/M078400P01WL.jpg
2017-02-06T23:28:25 < englishman> where have you been peter
2017-02-06T23:28:39 < englishman> the replacement ozzie has been entertaining, so you havent been missed that much
2017-02-06T23:28:48 < PeterM> lately? or all your life?
2017-02-06T23:28:53 < englishman> yes
2017-02-06T23:29:01 < PeterM> 10/10
2017-02-06T23:29:12 < PeterM> lately ive been travellign a lot because im moving
2017-02-06T23:29:24 < PeterM> so i uisuaslyl drive 1200km/weekend
2017-02-06T23:33:26 < PeterM> also, i can't believe people doubted crt, http://pastebin.com/74S5A6rq 
2017-02-06T23:33:33 < englishman> i know rite
2017-02-06T23:33:37 < englishman> also, wow
2017-02-06T23:40:41 < emeb> Al-poly. Hmm... looks like an electrolytic. Only in pth?
2017-02-06T23:41:07 < englishman> Uh-oh - we seem to have a problem
2017-02-06T23:41:08 < englishman> ERROR 500
2017-02-06T23:41:08 < englishman> We'll get an engineer to fix it. There's a lot of them around here.
2017-02-06T23:41:08 < englishman> Please try again in a few minutes.
2017-02-06T23:41:08 < englishman> Arrow Electronics is a global provider of products,
2017-02-06T23:41:32 < englishman> jesus christ arrow
2017-02-06T23:41:43 < emeb> ah - same SMD pkgs as AVE style with little plastic foot
2017-02-06T23:44:43 < PeterM> https://www.chemi-con.co.jp/e/catalog/pdf/Application_Note_NPCAP_090716e.pdf tldr they are an alu electro cap but the electrolyte is a conductive polymer 
2017-02-06T23:44:54 < emeb> right - reading up now
2017-02-06T23:45:01 < emeb> so more stable I assume
2017-02-06T23:45:41 < englishman> theres tant poly too
2017-02-06T23:46:33 < PeterM> tant poly are stupid expensive though
2017-02-06T23:47:39 < emeb> mmm... self healing
2017-02-06T23:47:48 < PeterM> tant poly of similar specs (worse esr) http://www.digikey.com.au/product-detail/en/vishay-sprague/T55B227M6R3C0070/718-2040-1-ND/4989636 to the above liunked alu poly
2017-02-06T23:48:11 < PeterM> and similar esr http://www.digikey.com.au/product-detail/en/vishay-sprague/T55B227M6R3C0025/718-2164-1-ND/6230394 
2017-02-06T23:48:21 < PeterM> you're looking at 2-4x price
2017-02-06T23:51:43 < emeb> sigh - time to make SD card work on this F7 board.
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2017-02-07T00:08:20 < englishman> going to go with these http://www.digikey.ca/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=218417023&uq=636219940549193275
2017-02-07T00:08:32 < englishman> (because i didn't design this shit)
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2017-02-07T00:45:47 < englishman> nobody has asked r2com for credentials, despite him being a much bigger retard
2017-02-07T00:57:38 < upgrdman> is there some popular 3d file format that stores verticies as plain text? (so i can copy them into opengl code)
2017-02-07T00:58:17 < ds2> XYZ, PLY, STL, PCL have options for ascii
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2017-02-07T01:00:57 < upgrdman> nice. stl ascii looks easy enough to adapt
2017-02-07T01:00:58 < upgrdman> thx
2017-02-07T01:05:38 < BrainDamage> what are you innovating in opengl?
2017-02-07T01:10:25 < Thorn> obj is ascii
2017-02-07T01:10:51 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, my telemetry view thinggy
2017-02-07T01:11:01 < upgrdman> adding a quaternion visualizer
2017-02-07T01:12:21 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, this if you havent seen it: https://youtu.be/-bQdrvSLqpg?t=172
2017-02-07T01:14:17 < BrainDamage> ah
2017-02-07T01:14:51 < upgrdman> figure i should spin something other than a boring cube
2017-02-07T01:15:19 < BrainDamage> the standard demo is actually a teapot :p
2017-02-07T01:15:27 < upgrdman> ya but that teapot is lame
2017-02-07T01:15:42 < upgrdman> tempted to find a 3d model of a big veiny cock or something stupid like that
2017-02-07T01:16:05 < upgrdman> more likely, a model of a car or plane, to keep the youtube vids SFW
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2017-02-07T01:40:55 < dongs> sup pros
2017-02-07T01:41:03 < dongs> homo 1 was pretty lame
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2017-02-07T01:44:41 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/lnTju8k.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jntDk2y.jpg
2017-02-07T01:44:50 < englishman> my pro stm32 production qc testbed
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2017-02-07T01:49:57 < dongs> why dont you just make a pcb for that shit
2017-02-07T01:51:11 < englishman> 0day and $0
2017-02-07T01:52:20 < upgrdman> i miss perf board with square copper pads
2017-02-07T01:52:25 < upgrdman> dont see it much anymore
2017-02-07T01:52:38 < upgrdman> shitshack carried lots of it
2017-02-07T01:53:19 < dongs> isnt shitshack dead
2017-02-07T01:53:25 < upgrdman> long dead
2017-02-07T01:53:35 < upgrdman> hence why i miss the product
2017-02-07T01:53:46 < dongs> cant be THAT long, i bought my last $25 at&t phone at radioshack
2017-02-07T01:53:48 < dongs> but this was a few years ago
2017-02-07T01:53:49 < dongs> maybe 2?
2017-02-07T01:53:58 < sync_> epoxy breadboard with square pads ftw
2017-02-07T01:54:00 < upgrdman> my local ones died 2ish yrs ago
2017-02-07T01:54:07 < upgrdman> sync_, ya
2017-02-07T01:54:15 < sync_> also with plated throughholes
2017-02-07T01:54:18 < sync_> and pads on both sides
2017-02-07T01:54:22 < upgrdman> kinda tempted to just make my own and DirtyPCBs it
2017-02-07T01:54:23 < dongs> .. arent they normally plated
2017-02-07T01:54:28 < sync_> neg
2017-02-07T01:54:32 < sync_> not on protoboards
2017-02-07T01:54:33 < upgrdman> 100x100mm qty10 for like $24 iirc
2017-02-07T01:54:52 < sync_> why not do elecrow and pay like $10 for 10
2017-02-07T01:55:03 < upgrdman> for 100mm x 100mm?
2017-02-07T01:55:07 < sync_> iirc yes
2017-02-07T01:55:12 < upgrdman> srsly? link
2017-02-07T01:55:35 < dongs> http://www.sunhayato.co.jp/material2/index.php/search?cell003=%E3%83%A6%E3%83%8B%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B5%E3%83%AB%E5%9F%BA%E6%9D%BF%E8%A3%BD%E5%93%81&keyword=
2017-02-07T01:55:35 < englishman> these tants have 1.46 ohm measured esr
2017-02-07T01:55:37 < sync_> https://www.elecrow.com/services/pcb-prototyping/special-offer-for-2-layer-10-10cm-max-green-pcb-10pcs.html
2017-02-07T01:55:38 < englishman> what junk
2017-02-07T01:55:39 < dongs> these japs make some pro shit
2017-02-07T01:56:20 < upgrdman> sync_, nice. "special offer" == limited time offer?
2017-02-07T01:56:24 < sync_> neg
2017-02-07T01:56:29 < englishman> $10 for 5x5 and $25 for 10x10cm has been standard chinashit for years
2017-02-07T01:56:31 < sync_> it has been there for like 2 years
2017-02-07T01:56:39 < dongs> lol
2017-02-07T01:56:54 < englishman> dongs: of course japs are making pro thruhole shit
2017-02-07T01:57:11 < englishman> for all those dip pics adn 555s you can get at akihabara
2017-02-07T01:57:16 < dongs> rite
2017-02-07T01:58:47 < upgrdman> hmm layer options.. "1 with mask one side" ... so 2layer has no soldermask?
2017-02-07T01:58:54 < dongs> no
2017-02-07T01:59:06 < dongs> you faggot
2017-02-07T01:59:09 < sync_> they have
2017-02-07T01:59:11 < englishman> mask one side... who is making this shit
2017-02-07T01:59:13 < dongs> its not a multiple coice
2017-02-07T01:59:17 < dongs> it seither
2017-02-07T01:59:22 < dongs> normal 2 layer shit
2017-02-07T01:59:22 < dongs> OR
2017-02-07T01:59:29 < dongs> 1 layer with mask etc.
2017-02-07T01:59:29 < upgrdman> ok
2017-02-07T01:59:51 < dongs> i can believe that price especialyl if they have volume, anyway
2017-02-07T02:00:19 < dongs> its just gonna be your standard shit chinapcb
2017-02-07T02:00:27 < englishman> like everywhere else
2017-02-07T02:00:38 < englishman> dirtypcb, seeed, smart-prototyping, pcbway
2017-02-07T02:00:41 < dongs> rite
2017-02-07T02:00:53 < dongs> firstpcb
2017-02-07T02:00:58 < englishman> for dongs https://www.elecrow.com/media/wysiwyg/turnkey_solution_for_kickstarter.jpg
2017-02-07T02:01:11 < dongs> laugh
2017-02-07T02:01:18 < dongs> outsource my next scam for me plz
2017-02-07T02:01:26 < dongs> o yeah
2017-02-07T02:01:29 < dongs> englishman: what was that rohm part#
2017-02-07T02:01:31 < dongs> for the wled
2017-02-07T02:01:34 < dongs> gonna ask chinagirl if she has it
2017-02-07T02:01:35 < englishman> wled?
2017-02-07T02:01:40 < dongs> the sharp display thing
2017-02-07T02:01:48 < englishman> richtel?
2017-02-07T02:01:49 < dongs> oh it wasnt rohm
2017-02-07T02:01:50 < englishman> tek?
2017-02-07T02:01:52 < dongs> it was dicktek
2017-02-07T02:01:52 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-07T02:02:02 < dongs> RT..8..something
2017-02-07T02:02:03 < dongs> or other
2017-02-07T02:02:05 < englishman> dono it was only 6ch so i forgot
2017-02-07T02:02:16 < dongs> oic
2017-02-07T02:02:23 < dongs> its releant to my intersts
2017-02-07T02:02:26 < englishman> RT8532 
2017-02-07T02:02:28 < dongs> thx
2017-02-07T02:02:39 < englishman> tell me $ tho
2017-02-07T02:02:45 < englishman> even tho the ti shits are $1
2017-02-07T02:02:59 < englishman> and f746 chinaz pls
2017-02-07T02:11:11 < dongs> pump it up
2017-02-07T02:12:25 < Laurenceb_> I eat healthy
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2017-02-07T02:12:32 < Laurenceb_> never heard this beeping noise
2017-02-07T02:12:40 < Laurenceb_> but I do have their music CD
2017-02-07T02:13:18 < Laurenceb_> LemonGrass, Nightingales
2017-02-07T02:15:54 < englishman> healthy natural shredded chicken meat breaded and fried
2017-02-07T02:17:47 < Laurenceb_> aiui they pressure wash chickens then filter the water
2017-02-07T02:19:03 < Laurenceb_> I'm so sad I had the McMusic CD before it was played in McDonalds :(
2017-02-07T02:20:25 < Laurenceb_> MC Donald is the most Cancerous and Arterial clogging MC
2017-02-07T02:24:03 < upgrdman> mc == ?
2017-02-07T02:24:21 < upgrdman> master cuck?
2017-02-07T02:24:26 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_ceremonies#Hip_hop
2017-02-07T02:24:56 < dongs> huh
2017-02-07T02:24:57 < dongs> i had no idea
2017-02-07T02:26:44 < tpw_rules> what is wrong with all of you
2017-02-07T02:26:57 < dongs> what are you talkin about
2017-02-07T02:27:14 < dongs> did you forget to check your privilege there bro
2017-02-07T02:27:55 < englishman> tpw_rules: are you actually sweedish
2017-02-07T02:28:08 < dongs> i think hes just gay
2017-02-07T02:28:33 < tpw_rules> no
2017-02-07T02:28:38 < englishman> oh.
2017-02-07T02:28:42 < tpw_rules> idk why i'm on a swedish server
2017-02-07T02:28:47 < tpw_rules> i drive a sweedish car
2017-02-07T02:28:58 < dongs> because feenode is fucking retarded
2017-02-07T02:29:03 < englishman> hai
2017-02-07T02:29:04 < englishman> me 2
2017-02-07T02:29:09 < englishman> ok you can stay then
2017-02-07T02:29:12 < dongs> swedes make cars?
2017-02-07T02:29:18 < dongs> what hte fuck do they make
2017-02-07T02:29:21 < englishman> volvo
2017-02-07T02:29:23 < tpw_rules> saab
2017-02-07T02:29:25 < tpw_rules> or did
2017-02-07T02:29:33 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacturers_of_Sweden
2017-02-07T02:29:49 < englishman> and koenigsegg but 30 cars / year doesnt count
2017-02-07T02:30:09 < tpw_rules> but they're the awesomeest cars
2017-02-07T02:30:15 < dongs> lol koenigsegg makes some awful lookin shit
2017-02-07T02:30:21 < dongs> just by looking atp ics in wikipedo
2017-02-07T02:30:33 < tpw_rules> head of it is an unqualified genius tho. i want to meet him some day
2017-02-07T02:32:03 < englishman> dongs volvo made this ad with the real timecop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FIvfx5J10
2017-02-07T02:32:09 < Laurenceb_> actuall last time I went to MC Donalds they just had this on repeat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPWYvch2v7w
2017-02-07T02:32:14 < dongs> englishman: seen
2017-02-07T02:32:22 < dongs> also wasnt it f ake
2017-02-07T02:32:23 < Laurenceb_> weird Lameongrass obsession
2017-02-07T02:32:27 < englishman> no
2017-02-07T02:33:47 < Laurenceb_> tpw_rules: should I create an honest OK Cupid account?
2017-02-07T02:33:58 < Laurenceb_> I am debating this in my head atm
2017-02-07T02:34:05 < Laurenceb_>  + side: get laid
2017-02-07T02:34:07 < tpw_rules> didn't help me
2017-02-07T02:34:17 < englishman> grindr
2017-02-07T02:34:18 < Laurenceb_>  - iv side: I might get arrested and put in a padded cell
2017-02-07T02:34:26 < dongs> there's another negative side
2017-02-07T02:34:29 < dongs> someone in here might find you
2017-02-07T02:35:54 < Laurenceb_> epin lulz
2017-02-07T02:37:29 < dongs> englishman: ahh the fake one was chuck norris
2017-02-07T02:37:43 < englishman> timecop is the real deal
2017-02-07T02:38:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kZuTdVeZsg
2017-02-07T02:39:37 < englishman> totally not fake
2017-02-07T02:40:53 < tpw_rules> http://funny.computer/linux/
2017-02-07T02:41:41 < englishman> maybe the hatred of lunix toreballs keeps the sweedes away
2017-02-07T02:45:59 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDxeFwmGnSs
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2017-02-07T02:52:26 < dongs> old as hell
2017-02-07T02:52:54 < Laurenceb_> my extensive collection of animal pornography
2017-02-07T02:54:32 < dongs> holy shit
2017-02-07T02:54:37 < dongs> AMP added a fucking link button
2017-02-07T02:54:39 < dongs> to get to real url
2017-02-07T02:55:06 < dongs> https://amphtml.wordpress.com/2017/02/06/whats-in-an-amp-url/
2017-02-07T02:55:20 < dongs> er https://developers.googleblog.com/2017/02/whats-in-amp-url.html
2017-02-07T02:55:24 < englishman> how kind of them
2017-02-07T02:56:58 < dongs> Pre-rendering works by loading a hidden iframe on the embedding page (the search result page) with the content of the AMP page and an additional parameter that indicates that the AMP document is only being pre-rendered. The JavaScript component that handles the lifecycle of these iframes is called “AMP Viewer”.
2017-02-07T02:57:03 < dongs> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2017-02-07T02:57:06 < dongs> so now
2017-02-07T02:57:09 < dongs> everytime I look for somethign wiht AMP returned results
2017-02-07T02:57:14 < dongs> it will be downloading shit in background for me
2017-02-07T02:57:17 < dongs> in a hidden iframe
2017-02-07T02:57:22 < dongs> for topics I may potentially never click on
2017-02-07T02:57:26 < dongs> thanks, google
2017-02-07T02:57:30 < dongs> duckduckgo it is
2017-02-07T03:01:39 < upgrdman> lol do people actually use DDG?
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2017-02-07T03:01:55 < upgrdman> i think i tried it 5 yrs ago when it was default firefucks search engine
2017-02-07T03:02:05 < dongs> google isnt giving much choice here
2017-02-07T03:02:08 < upgrdman> or iceweasel
2017-02-07T03:02:30 < upgrdman> what did google do now?
2017-02-07T03:02:42 < dongs> why dont you actually read what I just ranted about
2017-02-07T03:02:45 < dongs> its only like 15 lines up
2017-02-07T03:02:58 < dongs> the "pre-rendering" bit
2017-02-07T03:03:19 < upgrdman> so when you google for shit, they start cacheing the first hit(s) in a hidden iframe?
2017-02-07T03:03:23 < dongs> yes
2017-02-07T03:03:29 < upgrdman> whats bad about that
2017-02-07T03:03:32 < dongs> .......................
2017-02-07T03:03:40 < dongs> 1) my bandwidth isnt free
2017-02-07T03:03:44 < upgrdman> oh ya, you pay per niggabyte
2017-02-07T03:03:46 < dongs> 2) i have no intention to ever click on an AMP link
2017-02-07T03:03:59 < upgrdman> your works wont pay for your net?
2017-02-07T03:04:02 < dongs> 3) i may NOT be interested in any of the results anyway
2017-02-07T03:04:16 < dongs> i dunno dude, that'd be like searching for cocks and clicking "im feeling lucky"
2017-02-07T03:04:37 < dongs> what if I search for cp and it starts caching some ukrainian porn site without my knowledge
2017-02-07T03:04:40 < dongs> and its a FBI trap
2017-02-07T03:04:43 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-07T03:06:50 < englishman> hasnt google done that on desktop for like forever
2017-02-07T03:13:17 < dongs> i dont search for cp on desktop
2017-02-07T03:13:47 < dongs> hm RT8532 is 0.95
2017-02-07T03:13:59 < dongs> but tps used to be $1 but i think its less now i forget tho
2017-02-07T03:14:20 < dongs> but 2.5V Vin, and 50mA current
2017-02-07T03:14:28 < dongs> i think ill get some and prototype
2017-02-07T03:14:36 < dongs> i might be able to sell tehse to those 3d printer faggots
2017-02-07T03:14:45 < dongs> who want to overdrive backlight
2017-02-07T03:17:52 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEaKtezfFVI
2017-02-07T03:18:20 < dongs> did you just make that account
2017-02-07T03:24:02 < dongs> anniemay
2017-02-07T03:28:35 < dongs> http://www.luxury-light.com.ua/alibaba/index.php lol
2017-02-07T03:29:27 < englishman> Deceptive site ahead
2017-02-07T03:29:27 < englishman> Attackers on www.luxury-light.com.ua may trick you into doing something dangerous like installing software or revealing your personal information (for example, passwords, phone numbers or credit cards).
2017-02-07T03:32:40 < aandrew> ba boom baby http://imgur.com/a/6mUs2
2017-02-07T03:32:55 < aandrew> except for four components the assembler put on that were supposed to be DNP, the board came right up
2017-02-07T03:33:41 < aandrew> it's a power sequencer/controller for the next gen of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9uUdQeTfpY
2017-02-07T03:33:48 < aandrew> what is really funny
2017-02-07T03:34:27 < aandrew> you see a long wide thing with black ends in the background of that video... that's an NDI spectra 6D optical tracker... I worked that project too.
2017-02-07T03:35:14 < aandrew> https://youtu.be/b9uUdQeTfpY?t=71 that thing above the video monitor is the optical tracker
2017-02-07T03:35:56 < dongs> nice balls
2017-02-07T03:37:33 < aandrew> why thank you
2017-02-07T03:37:37 < aandrew> I botox them
2017-02-07T03:40:35 < scrts> sup aandrew?
2017-02-07T03:40:45 < aandrew> nada, you?
2017-02-07T03:40:56 < dongs> hes acutally doing STM32 work
2017-02-07T03:40:58 < dongs> unlike most poeple in here
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2017-02-07T03:47:22 < emeb> heh - got F7 sd/mmc stuffs going.
2017-02-07T03:47:35 < emeb> fairly easy to just copypasta most of the example
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2017-02-07T03:48:05 < emeb> next thing is to try getting ethernet going.
2017-02-07T03:48:30 < emeb> but their example uses FreeRTOS and does nasty things with memory that I need to debug.
2017-02-07T03:48:37 < dongs> http://www.corsair.com/en-us/k95rgbplatinum
2017-02-07T03:48:39 < dongs> so gay
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2017-02-07T03:54:15 < PeterM> R58 looks nasty aandrew
2017-02-07T03:55:13 < aandrew> heh that's me removing a ferrite and using a solder blob in its place
2017-02-07T03:55:59 < aandrew> and the crap at the top right of the stm32 is my attempt to clean up a few bridged pins with the "garden hoe" sized tip of the iron they had onsite
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2017-02-07T04:05:17 < dongs> 32 stms out of 10?
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2017-02-07T04:06:02 < dongs> WARNING: upgrdman is about to paste unfunny link
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2017-02-07T04:11:43 < kakimir> I can only operate properly with having some pressure
2017-02-07T04:12:06 < kakimir> I feel handicapped
2017-02-07T04:13:05 < kakimir> I wonder if I start living pressureless lifestyle would I recalibrate myself to succcess without pressure
2017-02-07T04:14:30 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzicqExJW3A music for crt
2017-02-07T04:16:15 < dongs> I need someone who can do sense programming.
2017-02-07T04:16:16 < dongs> Budget-45$
2017-02-07T04:16:58 < tpw_rules> i'll do 2 lines
2017-02-07T04:17:03 < tpw_rules> of max 80 chars each
2017-02-07T04:17:46 < kakimir> sense programming?
2017-02-07T04:17:54 < kakimir> can I apply?
2017-02-07T04:17:57 < dongs> DONT BID UNLESS YOU READ INSTRUCTION
2017-02-07T04:17:57 < dongs> Hello
2017-02-07T04:17:57 < dongs> I need help by an electronic expert who can help me write report.It can be something around 15 pages.Need excellent work though.Can pay $45
2017-02-07T04:18:00 < dongs> Need on 9th of this month. So 3 days from now
2017-02-07T04:18:26 < dongs> i can fill 15 pages with lorem ipsum
2017-02-07T04:18:28 < dongs> fo $45
2017-02-07T04:19:10 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/would-like-hire-Engineer-technician-13010305/
2017-02-07T04:22:01 < tpw_rules> i can make amchines out of nail and barbed wire
2017-02-07T04:22:50 < dongs> you can also go to kenya for a $250 job to get murdered by niggers
2017-02-07T04:23:40 < englishman> speaking of
2017-02-07T04:23:46 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkiUCaHaTj0
2017-02-07T04:23:47 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bPX8ycj2PU
2017-02-07T04:23:47 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLdO1t6TVQ
2017-02-07T04:23:47 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSjDo_WplsA
2017-02-07T04:23:47 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWOyM9Axn-w
2017-02-07T04:23:47 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksWReUoTiuI (check the motor at 2:30 lol)
2017-02-07T04:23:47 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofvQx87zS2o
2017-02-07T04:24:13 < dongs> https://youtu.be/QkiUCaHaTj0?t=26
2017-02-07T04:24:16 < dongs> UPENDO more like UPEDO
2017-02-07T04:26:49 < dongs> englishman: how the fuck did you come up with that list
2017-02-07T04:28:41 < kakimir> http://termite.apcdn.com/full/155567.jpg is this ohsix?
2017-02-07T04:29:40 < dongs> Best guess for this image: no mas
2017-02-07T04:34:37 < aandrew> hm
2017-02-07T04:34:39 < aandrew> odd
2017-02-07T04:34:50 < aandrew> let's see if you're 2x pro today dongs
2017-02-07T04:35:30 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/S86YT
2017-02-07T04:35:40 < aandrew> schematic http://imgur.com/HgBSioX
2017-02-07T04:36:05 < dongs> that looksp rettty terrible, no?
2017-02-07T04:36:06 < aandrew> first pic is at P3V3 (far right). AC-coupled, showing a 18ish-ms 150mv ripple
2017-02-07T04:36:09 < aandrew> yes
2017-02-07T04:36:25 < aandrew> second pic is C15. I think I have the wrong inductor selected
2017-02-07T04:36:30 < aandrew> 200kHz osc freq approx
2017-02-07T04:36:38 < aandrew> but it looks like I saturate the inductor
2017-02-07T04:36:45 < aandrew> you see it rise slowly then spike like balls
2017-02-07T04:38:59 < dongs> did you calcualte all those non-datasheet values for rtck and comp using the weeb-bench
2017-02-07T04:39:06 < aandrew> yeah
2017-02-07T04:39:20 < dongs> its a 2.2uh inductor?
2017-02-07T04:39:21 < dongs> or 22
2017-02-07T04:39:25 < aandrew> only thing I can think of is I overspecc'd that a lot
2017-02-07T04:39:27 < aandrew> 22uH
2017-02-07T04:39:51 < aandrew> sorry 2.2
2017-02-07T04:40:04 < dongs> that seems a bit low, no?
2017-02-07T04:40:08 < dongs> what freq are ou at
2017-02-07T04:40:10 < aandrew> yeah
2017-02-07T04:40:14 < aandrew> 200kHz around
2017-02-07T04:40:17 < dongs> uhhh
2017-02-07T04:40:36 < dongs> you probably need more like 22uH there for that frequency.
2017-02-07T04:40:48 < dongs> i usually use 2.2uh for liek 1mhz switching
2017-02-07T04:42:42 < dongs> their EVM has 10uH
2017-02-07T04:42:44 < dongs> for 500khz
2017-02-07T04:42:52 < dongs> but its gimped in shitty vin range
2017-02-07T04:43:05 < dongs> why the fuckthey have a evm for a 0-60V reg but limit it to 12V
2017-02-07T04:44:18 < dongs> anyway, 2.2 sounds too low for that freq, i'd start there
2017-02-07T04:44:49 < dongs> also, 4010 inductor for 2.5A?
2017-02-07T04:45:37 < dongs> well, 4020 but still
2017-02-07T04:47:37 < dongs> http://www.sunlordinc.com/Download.aspx?file=L1VwbG9hZEZpbGVzL1BERl9DYXQvMjAxNjEyMjcxNTIzMzE1MjUucGRm&lan= shitlord is my favorite chink inductor maker
2017-02-07T04:48:14 < englishman> has anyone used highvoltage programming on stm32
2017-02-07T04:48:26 < dongs> is that the one where you connect half the pins to mains?
2017-02-07T04:49:02 < englishman> not exactly
2017-02-07T04:49:08 < dongs> hm shitlord 4020 2.2uH is ok to 3.7A
2017-02-07T04:50:54 < aandrew> yeah I think I need to adjust that
2017-02-07T04:52:32 < englishman> loldongs your shitty laptop comes with a Killer wificard?
2017-02-07T04:52:53 < englishman> i thought those guys died
2017-02-07T04:55:10 < dongs> they must have had leftover stock from aliengayware
2017-02-07T04:56:33 < dongs> englishman: 756VG cotss more htan on verical
2017-02-07T04:56:37 < dongs> (china)
2017-02-07T04:57:59 < englishman> 756 or 746
2017-02-07T04:58:04 < dongs> 756.
2017-02-07T04:58:14 < englishman> OK, interesting
2017-02-07T04:58:17 < dongs> is the only one with some availabiltiy
2017-02-07T04:58:22 < dongs> is that the one in discuntvery?
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2017-02-07T05:54:05 < aandrew> so going to 4.7uH and changing the freq to about 380kHz (trying ot get faster yet) has helped a lot
2017-02-07T05:54:09 < aandrew> peaks are half the size but still saturating
2017-02-07T05:54:25 < aandrew> and my ripple is about 100mV now
2017-02-07T05:56:55 < dongs> where the fuck does a nigga buy emmc
2017-02-07T05:57:06 < dongs> all i see wehn searching that shit is fucking repair parts for shitsung
2017-02-07T05:57:16 < dongs> i need liek 1k/month of 16-32gb stuff
2017-02-07T06:05:24 < PeterM> write a decent form email and send it off to theaio, sandisk, toshiba,  samsung etc see if oyu get a bite
2017-02-07T06:06:16 < zyp> dongs, china doesn't have?
2017-02-07T06:07:35 < dongs> well
2017-02-07T06:07:38 < dongs> i dont even know what its called
2017-02-07T06:07:46 < dongs> googleing for shit like samsung part#s just brings up fucking phoen parts
2017-02-07T06:08:36 < zyp> find part numbers on dk, or doesn't they have what you need?
2017-02-07T06:08:51 < dongs> digikey has no emmc
2017-02-07T06:09:00 < zyp> huh
2017-02-07T06:09:06 < zyp> too hardcore?
2017-02-07T06:09:15 < dongs> at least not when searchn for "remmc'
2017-02-07T06:09:15 < dongs> tehy have some MCP ddr/emmc packages
2017-02-07T06:09:15 < dongs> thats it
2017-02-07T06:09:55 < dongs> err emmc
2017-02-07T06:10:18 < dongs> oh, i see it
2017-02-07T06:10:20 < dongs> its mmc
2017-02-07T06:11:17 < dongs> Results: 38       1 Remaining
2017-02-07T06:11:18 < dongs> gaga,
2017-02-07T06:12:24 < dongs> pretty bad selection on digikey
2017-02-07T06:12:58 < zyp> http://no.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Integrated-Circuits-ICs/Memory/Memory-Modules/Solid-State-Drives-SSD/_/N-9x4nu?P=1ywpadr
2017-02-07T06:13:25 < zyp> got a bunch of sandisk shit
2017-02-07T06:13:30 < zyp> expensive sandisk shit
2017-02-07T06:13:49 < aandrew> dongs: emmc is fucking impossible to find
2017-02-07T06:13:55 < dongs> why?
2017-02-07T06:14:00 < aandrew> that and EMMC packages are all hideously large
2017-02-07T06:14:00 < dongs> isnt that shit everywehre
2017-02-07T06:14:05 < aandrew> thought the point was to make shit small
2017-02-07T06:14:18 < aandrew> but no, they use like 8 pins and the JEDEC footprint is $MEGA x $WTF
2017-02-07T06:14:48 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-07T06:14:48 < dongs> im aware of hte footprint
2017-02-07T06:14:49 < zyp> huge package to fit huge dies?
2017-02-07T06:15:16 < zyp> flash is mostly a ton of storage area, after all
2017-02-07T06:15:26 < dongs> yeah but its still like 153BGA
2017-02-07T06:15:27 < dongs> for no reason
2017-02-07T06:15:51 < zyp> well, you want mechanical rigidity
2017-02-07T06:16:12 < dongs> im pretty sure it would work just fine in say, QFN
2017-02-07T06:16:27 < upgrdman> so that quaternion visualization for robot orientation... think i found the 3d model to use    https://www.yobi3d.com/v/Olt3rKxuLy/o_1aeiq8u6o10ro1tuf184c24t1qgd19.STL
2017-02-07T06:16:47 < zyp> that would be a pretty huge qfn
2017-02-07T06:17:24 < Kerr-A_> Hm... Anyone creative want to tell me a way to get around the PNP transistor in the push/pull driver? lol. I only had a few pnp transistors and they are just gone now.
2017-02-07T06:17:46 < Kerr-A_> http://tinyurl.com/hoe3zoj
2017-02-07T06:18:00 < zyp> dongs, so what's your budget anyway? looks like the larger sandisk shits at digikey are <$1/GB
2017-02-07T06:18:14 < dongs> zyp, chinaflashmemoryprices.com or something says 32gb is around $10
2017-02-07T06:18:20 < dongs> they're getting those numbers somewhere
2017-02-07T06:18:57 < zyp> well, sounds about right, cheapest 32GB on mouser is $26
2017-02-07T06:19:15 < dongs> your link only had samdick?
2017-02-07T06:19:21 < zyp> yes
2017-02-07T06:19:22 < zyp> http://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/SanDisk/SDINADF4-32G/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvwQjeTDnBZaHiF4Hk2o8k9x8qlh9AJssi81gYCCeXjvA%3d%3d
2017-02-07T06:21:11 < aandrew> upgrdman: hahaha
2017-02-07T06:21:21 < zyp> china being a bit less than half of mouser sounds pretty normal, doesn't it? :p
2017-02-07T06:21:42 < aandrew> orient the dong
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2017-02-07T06:22:23 < upgrdman> aandrew, indeed
2017-02-07T06:27:58 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/cisco_intel_decline_to_link_product_warning_to_faulty_chip/
2017-02-07T06:28:02 < dongs> haha
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2017-02-07T06:34:57 < dongs> bloggin'
2017-02-07T06:35:41 < dongs> research hemp
2017-02-07T06:37:55 < upgrdman> anyone know a nice headset mic that isnt too expensive?
2017-02-07T06:38:03 < upgrdman> i see some no names on amazon for $10 ish
2017-02-07T06:38:12 < upgrdman> and prolly like $3ish on ebay or ali
2017-02-07T06:38:29 < upgrdman> wouldnt mind paying 20-40 for quality
2017-02-07T06:39:09 < PeterM> lkike this ?https://antlionaudio.com/collections/modmic/products/modmic-4 
2017-02-07T06:41:03 < upgrdman> looks like that mounts to headphones?
2017-02-07T06:41:12 < upgrdman> i dont need or want headphones. just a mic
2017-02-07T06:41:20 < dongs> thats what it is.
2017-02-07T06:41:26 < dongs> unreadableman
2017-02-07T06:41:37 < upgrdman> dongs, photo looks like a cylinder on it mounted to side of headphone
2017-02-07T06:41:42 < dongs> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31Q8F21B4NL._SX300_.jpg
2017-02-07T06:41:45 < dongs> this is what you want
2017-02-07T06:41:50 < dongs> i got one of those in 1996
2017-02-07T06:41:58 < dongs> on my sb awe32 nonpnp
2017-02-07T06:42:51 < upgrdman> i remember my sb audigy
2017-02-07T06:43:06 < upgrdman> back with audigy didnt work on lunix. i was so pissed.
2017-02-07T06:45:10 < PeterM> audigy? pfft Live! was wehere it was at! (my first pci sound card)
2017-02-07T06:45:24 < dongs> ensoniq1391 or somthing
2017-02-07T06:45:34 < dongs> no
2017-02-07T06:45:35 < dongs> 1370
2017-02-07T06:45:42 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_AudioPCI
2017-02-07T06:46:59 < dongs> thats terrible
2017-02-07T06:47:08 < dongs> my first video card was some monochrome CGA clone
2017-02-07T06:50:15 < PeterM> aww man my good ol S3 Trio 64v+ sheeeeeeet
2017-02-07T06:51:14 < dongs> had one of those oto
2017-02-07T06:51:18 < dongs> i did have something rivatnt based
2017-02-07T06:51:21 < dongs> or riva128 maybe
2017-02-07T06:51:25 < dongs> it was some dell shite iirc
2017-02-07T06:51:26 < dongs> or maybe gateway
2017-02-07T06:51:32 < dongs> anyone remember GATEWAY
2017-02-07T06:54:49 < englishman> my first os was KERNAL
2017-02-07T06:54:50 < dongs> downloading passengers (2016)
2017-02-07T06:54:58 < dongs> somethin to watch on the flight
2017-02-07T06:55:29 < englishman> going back already
2017-02-07T06:55:43 < englishman> where's the jewgold pix
2017-02-07T06:56:23 < dongs> nah i paid $9 for rogue one tix today tho
2017-02-07T07:00:13 < upgrdman> hmm. my oldest computer was a 286. but i was just a kid. first video card i bought as some AGP card, geforce 450mx or something like that, for my win98se box
2017-02-07T07:01:12 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1486286465451.webm 10/10
2017-02-07T07:03:08 < dongs> LOL
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2017-02-07T07:10:59 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/p/1756872935 wtf is this
2017-02-07T07:16:17 < dongs> hmm i had something olivetti
2017-02-07T07:16:21 < dongs> at some point
2017-02-07T07:25:34 < dongs> that just means youre a dong
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2017-02-07T07:27:31 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/big_tech_files_antitrump_brief_immigration_ban_illegal_and_damaging_to_business/ haha
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2017-02-07T07:35:31 < dongs> In each case, the briefs lay out why they believe Trump's executive order in which people from seven majority-Muslim countries are prevented from entering the United States is illegal.
2017-02-07T07:35:38 < dongs> i personally dont see any problem with this
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2017-02-07T08:34:44 < dongs> ... lol
2017-02-07T08:34:52 < dongs> R2COM: who are you autisming wiht
2017-02-07T08:37:18 < PeterM> has R2COM gone more insane? hes talking to himnself again
2017-02-07T08:38:19 < PeterM> crt actually. thats pretty fuckin pro if you're pront to cookin them
2017-02-07T08:39:03 < PeterM> mmm toasty linear regs
2017-02-07T08:40:15 < upgrdman> Steffanx, you around?
2017-02-07T08:44:32 < dongs> haha
2017-02-07T08:44:36 < dongs> PeterM: those are literally 7805s
2017-02-07T08:44:43 < dongs> at least the rightmost one is
2017-02-07T08:45:02 < dongs> crt: replace those with recom clonez
2017-02-07T08:45:05 < dongs> that use switching reg
2017-02-07T08:45:15 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/r/recom-power/r78-series
2017-02-07T08:46:15 < upgrdman> wtf. they want $14 for qty1 of those
2017-02-07T08:46:28 < upgrdman> how fucking hard is it to make a smps with 78xx footprint
2017-02-07T08:46:54 < dongs> pretty hard if you dont want it to suck
2017-02-07T08:47:06 < dongs> these dont need external caps either
2017-02-07T08:47:20 < dongs> a lot of the china knockoffs hae terrible noise / ripple and need caps
2017-02-07T08:47:26 < upgrdman> ? buck ic is like $1-2, and diode/inductors/caps adds another $1-2
2017-02-07T08:47:43 < upgrdman> but it all on a little pcb, pot it, and have 3 pins sticking out
2017-02-07T08:50:10 < upgrdman> oh... those r-78 things are 72V input
2017-02-07T08:50:15 < upgrdman> ok that makes some snese
2017-02-07T08:50:35 < upgrdman> i was thinking like 30V ish
2017-02-07T08:50:36 < dongs> o yeah lol thats not the one i meant
2017-02-07T08:51:01 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/R-785.0-0.5/945-1037-ND/2256217?WT.z_slp_buy=recom_r78-series
2017-02-07T08:51:05 < dongs> i think these are the ones i used
2017-02-07T08:53:48 < dongs> absolute shit
2017-02-07T08:53:55 < dongs> i didnt even buy -K for my latest build
2017-02-07T08:53:58 < dongs> its totally not worth it
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2017-02-07T09:00:14 < Steffanx> Kinda upgrdman
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2017-02-07T09:09:31 < dongs> bedtime
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2017-02-07T09:13:17 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1486215384867.webm such R2COM more R2COM http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1486252314840.webm
2017-02-07T09:15:01 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ohsix is asking to be un q'd
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2017-02-07T10:10:57 < Steffanx> Ok upgdrman, good to know.
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2017-02-07T11:02:55 < Tectu> HELO
2017-02-07T11:06:39 < PaulFertser> Tectu: ##stm32 is not an SMTP server
2017-02-07T11:08:20 < Tectu> :(
2017-02-07T11:08:38 < Tectu> dongs around?
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2017-02-07T11:22:23 < Ecco> P-FET pull-up: which R value do you pick?
2017-02-07T11:22:54 < PeterM> depends on the switching frequency
2017-02-07T11:22:57 < Tectu> depends on the freq
2017-02-07T11:23:03 < PeterM> and your desired edge rates
2017-02-07T11:23:15 < PeterM> and your gate charge
2017-02-07T11:23:22 < Tectu> jup, and much more. In general you want something like >47k for some regular on-off switching
2017-02-07T11:23:24 < PeterM> and your drivce votlage
2017-02-07T11:24:00 < Tectu> if you drive the gate through a push-pull driver you won´t need that resistor at all actually. A gate series resistor might be sensible though
2017-02-07T11:24:39 < Ecco> In my case, the FET is driven by an STM32 GPIO.
2017-02-07T11:24:56 < Tectu> Ecco, that resistor really is just there to discharge the gate capacitance so your FET doesn´t stay on/off forever (assuming the model that the internal resistance is infinitly high)
2017-02-07T11:25:04 < Ecco> The reason I'm adding a pull resistor is to handle the case where the STM32 is uninitialized or sleeping (with GPIOs as analog, non-pulled)
2017-02-07T11:25:33 < Tectu> Ecco, what does the FET drive?
2017-02-07T11:25:48 < Ecco> power to a logic component
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2017-02-07T11:26:04 < Tectu> Ecco, if energy consumption is of no interest then just slap in a 10k resistor, otherwise, anything >47k  <=100k should do just fine
2017-02-07T11:26:07 < Ecco> It nearly could be powered straight from the GPIO (specs says 10mA max), but I'd rather be safe than sorry
2017-02-07T11:26:23 < Ecco> ok, so rule of thumb, 100k
2017-02-07T11:26:24 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-02-07T11:26:35 < Ecco> Actually I'm also doing teh same with an N-FET driving an LED
2017-02-07T11:26:49 < Tectu> of course, those are ´rule of thumbs´. As PeterM mentioned there´s a lot more to it but it depends on what you do. Just turning on/off every so often doesn´t call for calculating a proper value IMHO
2017-02-07T11:27:00 < Ecco> I used 1M pull-down resistor, and so far it seems to be working.
2017-02-07T11:27:06 < Ecco> The LEDs I want ot PWM though
2017-02-07T11:27:27 < jpa-> pull-down matters much less than the pull-up
2017-02-07T11:27:29 < Ecco> so the switching frequency is higher (nothing crazy though, just want to be above 60 Hz)
2017-02-07T11:28:00 < jpa-> and actually yeah, pull-up for pfet matters little either
2017-02-07T11:28:03 < Ecco> well the thing with the pull-down is that they won't draw any current, right?
2017-02-07T11:28:13 < jpa-> because the FET capacitor starts up with 0 voltage
2017-02-07T11:28:34 < Ecco> well it should be true for the pull-up as well actually…
2017-02-07T11:28:35 < jpa-> so the pull-up on pfet and pull-down on nfet only need to keep it that way
2017-02-07T11:28:47 < Ecco> I see
2017-02-07T11:29:04 < jpa-> but with pull-up on nfet or pulldown on pfet, it would need to pull it to high enough voltage before the fet overheats
2017-02-07T11:29:28 < Ecco> I see
2017-02-07T11:31:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> So you current limit the mosfet gate so you don't blow the 10mA?
2017-02-07T11:31:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> Then you just get slowish switchign speeds
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2017-02-07T11:31:39 < Jak_o_Shadows> ?
2017-02-07T11:33:38 < Tectu> uhm, what?
2017-02-07T11:33:39 < Tectu> no
2017-02-07T11:33:43 < Tectu> wait
2017-02-07T11:33:49 < Tectu> not sure whether I understand that question correctly
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2017-02-07T11:34:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> Mosfets switch on charge -> the more current you can put to the gate, the faster it will switch?
2017-02-07T11:34:51 < Ecco> Jak_o_Shadows: Oh it's nowhere that complicated. I'm not trying to limit the current in any way
2017-02-07T11:34:56 < Tectu> the resistor in series to the gate is usually to prevent ringing (too)
2017-02-07T11:35:17 < Jak_o_Shadows> a) ringing? b) why doesnt it exceed the pin current capability?
2017-02-07T11:36:42 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: shoot :)
2017-02-07T11:41:05 < Ecco> whoah, no idea :)
2017-02-07T11:49:34 < mitrax> LeelooMinai: portRegisters is an array of pointers to members of the Config class, (those members are of type PortRegisters), it's filled with pointers to A / B / C / H, below is a function that returns a portRegister given an index Port_, i.e get<0>(config) will return A, and given those are defined at constexpr, it will be evaluated at compile time
2017-02-07T11:50:26 < karlp> img links to talk about code again. 
2017-02-07T11:53:43 < Tectu> can we start a vote on whether we want to insta-bann people that use screenshots to share code snippets? Please.
2017-02-07T11:57:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> LeelooMinai, why did you screenshot anyway?
2017-02-07T11:57:38 < Tectu> LOL did not see that one coming
2017-02-07T11:58:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> erm. It is 2017. So this year? or did you mean 2019 for 3Det?
2017-02-07T11:59:09 < Tectu> dude... c´mon Jak
2017-02-07T12:00:20 < Tectu> gotta go. take care folks o/
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2017-02-07T12:30:33 < karlp> combine all the things! http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/STSPIN32F0/497-16978-ND/6236758
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2017-02-07T12:35:06 < karlp> better keep working on your perfect configuration in code then
2017-02-07T12:36:14 < karlp> well, you've been working on it for... a while now right.
2017-02-07T12:36:23 < karlp> wasnt' c++ meant to be making your life easier? ;)
2017-02-07T12:39:48 < karlp> sure, just like "sharing code as images" is a new idea :)
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2017-02-07T12:41:42 < karlp> it's ok, you're not the only one.  my bank just replied to me with an image containing their response :)
2017-02-07T12:43:38 < karlp> no, less useful. just "your request has been received"
2017-02-07T12:46:40 < Gerritjan> how can i check what i need RCC_OSCILLATORTYPE_HSE or RCC_OSCILLATORTYPE_HSI for a stm32F446RE
2017-02-07T12:48:09 < Gerritjan> oke so with the nucleo has a internal
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2017-02-07T12:51:28 < Gerritjan> oke because i let it generate the code from gcc-arm-embedded in eclipse and i did set the good chip so im trying to learn how to set the right SystemClock_Config
2017-02-07T12:52:53 < Gerritjan> oke i did have it in eclipse as a addon
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2017-02-07T12:54:07 < Gerritjan> lol i cant select the hsi :S
2017-02-07T12:57:47 < Steffanx> Arme gerritjan :P
2017-02-07T12:57:55 < Gerritjan> LeelooMinai: oke im new here and did find a tut for using the usb debugger as uart and it didnt work. so im trying out every thing
2017-02-07T12:57:59 < Gerritjan> Steffanx:  ?
2017-02-07T13:04:54 < Gerritjan> LeelooMinai: do you got a good tuut site  where i can learn the basics
2017-02-07T13:05:48 < Gerritjan> all because im new here and im only want to learn all :D from the start
2017-02-07T13:06:26 < Gerritjan> arm and this controllers
2017-02-07T13:06:59 < Gerritjan> i can program but i want to learn how to set the right Mhz and how to use the uart and servos connecting
2017-02-07T13:08:21 < Gerritjan> well im using eclipse with gcc-arm-embedded with openocd and have installed a plugin for MXCube
2017-02-07T13:08:36 < Gerritjan> i have done that 
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2017-02-07T13:09:31 < Gerritjan> setup by hand
2017-02-07T13:09:50 < Gerritjan> http://www.carminenoviello.com/2014/12/28/setting-gcceclipse-toolchain-stm32nucleo-part-1/
2017-02-07T13:09:54 < Gerritjan> yes
2017-02-07T13:10:36 < Gerritjan> i think dont know how you did it :D
2017-02-07T13:11:02 < Gerritjan> setup like you
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2017-02-07T13:12:47 < Gerritjan> Oke, well what im trying to do is to use the USB debugger as a UART and controll like 21 servo`s with it. and i did try the tut on this site http://www.carminenoviello.com/2015/03/02/how-to-use-stm32-nucleo-serial-port/
2017-02-07T13:12:55 < Gerritjan> yes the led example
2017-02-07T13:13:17 < Gerritjan> and i did compile the serial example to and it didnt work 
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2017-02-07T13:14:51 < Gerritjan> well i know when i debug i cant use the code as a serial port because the stlink is using it :D
2017-02-07T13:15:27 < Gerritjan> well i can deug thats not the problem
2017-02-07T13:15:39 < Gerritjan> and i can upload it to my microcontroller
2017-02-07T13:15:44 < Gerritjan> deug = debug
2017-02-07T13:16:38 < Gerritjan> and i did try to use a arduino as uart controller but then have to have a volt devider because arduino uses 5v and not 3.3 on the pins
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2017-02-07T13:19:17 < Gerritjan> yes because im getting in the debug code that the uart is in use and wait to get  before it can be used
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2017-02-07T13:21:45 < Gerritjan> I have only arduino`s and https://www.vanallesenmeer.nl/ST-Link-STM8/STM32-v2-Programmer-Emulator-adafruit-2548 this 1
2017-02-07T13:22:25 < Gerritjan> arduino mega / arduino Due and RPI 2 and 3
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2017-02-07T13:23:45 < Gerritjan> oke
2017-02-07T13:25:15 < Lux> dongs: gigadevices has emmc flash iirc, but their 16/32gb stuff is in development 8gb is avail according to the product selection guide i got
2017-02-07T13:25:20 < Lux> should be cheap
2017-02-07T13:28:23 < Gerritjan> yea i downloaded the programmer from the site and im only debugging it from eclipse/openocd
2017-02-07T13:29:03 < Gerritjan> ah oke
2017-02-07T13:29:37 < Gerritjan> yes but i have it but i dont use it i use the nucleo debugger
2017-02-07T13:30:24 < Gerritjan> yes
2017-02-07T13:30:35 < Gerritjan> the stlink from the board
2017-02-07T13:32:08 < Gerritjan> i think becuase i debug with the nucleo and trying to send the data from the uart to the com port it that is getting the error its in use
2017-02-07T13:33:16 < ReadError> no
2017-02-07T13:33:22 < ReadError> you can debug and comport at same time
2017-02-07T13:33:30 < ReadError> it iterates as 2 different devices
2017-02-07T13:33:51 < Gerritjan> ReadError:  because the debugger uses the same pins 
2017-02-07T13:33:56 < Gerritjan> PA2 and PA3
2017-02-07T13:34:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> erm.
2017-02-07T13:34:19 < ReadError> dont think thats right
2017-02-07T13:34:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> The debugger is like, PA13/PA14
2017-02-07T13:34:49 < Gerritjan> http://www.carminenoviello.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/stm32-nucleo-usart-pinout.jpg
2017-02-07T13:34:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> the usart2, that is connected via that st-link, is PA2, PA3
2017-02-07T13:35:09 < ReadError> F373 ?
2017-02-07T13:35:13 < ReadError> only 
2017-02-07T13:36:01 < ReadError> yea its connected to UART1 iirc
2017-02-07T13:36:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah. See that TMS & TCK?
2017-02-07T13:36:17 < ReadError> then SWD is on its own dedicated pins
2017-02-07T13:36:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yah, PA2/PA3 are usart 2 on the f103
2017-02-07T13:36:42 < ReadError> could be 2, forget 
2017-02-07T13:36:50 < ReadError> but you can use both at the same time, 100%
2017-02-07T13:36:55 < Gerritjan> so the uart2 is aloo connected to the usb 
2017-02-07T13:37:02 < Gerritjan> also*
2017-02-07T13:37:02 < ReadError> no
2017-02-07T13:37:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'd think the usart and swd(debug) are completely different.
2017-02-07T13:37:08 < ReadError> usb isnt connected to usb
2017-02-07T13:37:16 < ReadError> the only usb you have is to stlink
2017-02-07T13:37:23 < ReadError> not to the main MCU
2017-02-07T13:37:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yes, on the st-link 2, swd & usart 2 go over the usb.
2017-02-07T13:37:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> That isn't on the USB on the main uC
2017-02-07T13:37:35 < ReadError> right
2017-02-07T13:38:10 < Gerritjan> and i want to use the usb to control the servo`s thats it :S
2017-02-07T13:38:21 < Gerritjan> yes
2017-02-07T13:38:26 < Gerritjan> thats what i want
2017-02-07T13:38:36 < ReadError> uh
2017-02-07T13:38:45 < ReadError> then you use usb -> stlink -> uart2
2017-02-07T13:38:52 < ReadError> middlemang'd
2017-02-07T13:39:15 < ReadError> unless you want to add another USB which ... PITA
2017-02-07T13:39:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> Easy. Write some code for the UC that listens to usart 2 (on PA2/PA3) and controls the servos, use the virtual com port (through the st-link) to talk to the uC
2017-02-07T13:39:42 < Gerritjan> yes
2017-02-07T13:39:44 < Gerritjan> one
2017-02-07T13:39:51 < ReadError> you only have 1 VCOM
2017-02-07T13:39:55 < Gerritjan> and got some where else the debugger port
2017-02-07T13:39:59 < ReadError> stlink iterates as debugger also
2017-02-07T13:40:12 < ReadError> not 2 serial ports
2017-02-07T13:40:16 < Gerritjan> yes but its not in the COM/printerports
2017-02-07T13:40:25 < ReadError> its under its own shit
2017-02-07T13:41:08 < ReadError> sounds like we have a PEBKAC error
2017-02-07T13:41:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> st-link, the debugging bit, is not over a serial port. It's a custom driver thingomagick
2017-02-07T13:41:26 < Gerritjan> http://imgur.com/a/cHp09
2017-02-07T13:41:41 < ReadError> yes, normal
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2017-02-07T13:42:42 < Gerritjan> so when you debug the code normaly you can get als get information back to the terminal from the uart
2017-02-07T13:43:01 < Gerritjan> yes i did try it and added private and public may have access
2017-02-07T13:43:31 < ReadError> wtf guys
2017-02-07T13:43:34 < ReadError> theres not an issue
2017-02-07T13:43:39 < ReadError> its a user error thing
2017-02-07T13:46:57 < Gerritjan> oke
2017-02-07T13:49:21 < Gerritjan> LeelooMinai: Info : halted: PC: 0x08000f9c this is the error
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2017-02-07T13:51:32 < Gerritjan> oke thx ill check there :D
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2017-02-07T13:53:34 < ReadError> why not just use eclipse
2017-02-07T13:53:47 < ReadError> debugger
2017-02-07T13:53:52 < ReadError> w/ gdb + openocd
2017-02-07T13:53:59 < Gerritjan> i have that
2017-02-07T13:56:03 < ReadError> set it to hault on main() ?
2017-02-07T13:56:07 < ReadError> halt*
2017-02-07T13:56:33 < ReadError> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/burHKajn/
2017-02-07T13:58:09 < Gerritjan> :)
2017-02-07T14:01:38 < Gerritjan> LeelooMinai: if(huart->gState == HAL_UART_STATE_READY)  this is where he is telling me that the state is reset and return its busy
2017-02-07T14:02:34 < Gerritjan> http://imgur.com/a/sYWO3
2017-02-07T14:02:40 < Gerritjan> this is a screeny
2017-02-07T14:05:50 < Gerritjan> this is the problem what i have
2017-02-07T14:07:54 < Gerritjan> ReadError: i did use the debugging now and did use F5 to debbug treu the code and getting here with the loop that he is waiting on that the uart is free to use
2017-02-07T14:09:31 < Gerritjan> yes im getting now errors he is waiting for getting the clearens to send the line
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2017-02-07T14:10:07 < Gerritjan> ReadError: the gState is HAL_UART_STATE_RESET and thats sending back that the is busy
2017-02-07T14:10:36 < Gerritjan> oke sleep wel
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2017-02-07T14:17:45 < Ecco> I'm quite note understanding how to hook USB vbus to an STM32
2017-02-07T14:18:04 < Ecco> I want to use the STM32 as a peripheral
2017-02-07T14:18:23 < Ecco> So I expect the master to provide me with a +5V on Vbus
2017-02-07T14:18:30 < Ecco> so far, so good
2017-02-07T14:18:38 < Ecco> now, there's a pin named Vbus on the STM32
2017-02-07T14:18:51 < Ecco> should I connect it? What does it do?
2017-02-07T14:26:22 < emeryth> which stm32?
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2017-02-07T14:30:08 < Ecco> STM32F412
2017-02-07T14:30:33 < Ecco> So the datasheet says it's possible to actually connect said pin (PA9) straight to Vbus
2017-02-07T14:31:12 < Ecco> As long as VDD > 2.7V
2017-02-07T14:31:28 < Ecco> (which is the case here)
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2017-02-07T14:40:29 < karlp> Ecco: I think it's been said before, but I'll say it agian, there's a document from st called, "getting started with stm32XXXXX hardware development"
2017-02-07T14:40:32 < karlp> read it.
2017-02-07T14:41:33 < emeryth> seriously?
2017-02-07T14:43:32 < karlp> it covers these sorts of things rather well, and ecco has asked htem ebfore about other pins, so yes.
2017-02-07T14:45:15 < Tectu> +1 for that guide
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2017-02-07T14:54:54 < Ecco> allright :)
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2017-02-07T15:06:29 < Steffanx> 1 hour of sleep isnt enough ms. LeelooMinai
2017-02-07T15:06:51 < Tectu> Steffanx
2017-02-07T15:06:59 < Steffanx> Tec2
2017-02-07T15:07:16 < Tectu> skye?
2017-02-07T15:07:53 < Steffanx> Does not compute
2017-02-07T15:08:38 < karlp> anyone know how to find from gcc (without getting into the code) what the default -mabi setting is? I presume it's set from -mcpu/-march, but it's not given my --print-multi-lib and the docs don't mention it further: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ARM-Options.html
2017-02-07T15:11:03 < Gerritjan> Ahhhh Steffanx :P
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2017-02-07T15:18:20 < zhivko> Hello guys - whre do i get usbd_core.h for stm32f3 ?
2017-02-07T15:19:09 < karlp> follow the rest of the guide that told you need that file?
2017-02-07T15:19:15 < zhivko> I try to write sw to printf to usb as serial ... I have found http://vedder.se/2012/07/usb-serial-on-stm32f4/ but he is using f4
2017-02-07T15:19:38 < zhivko> and I need this for f3...
2017-02-07T15:19:58 < zyp> karlp, what do you need to know for?
2017-02-07T15:20:04 < zhivko> karlp it's not guide... its project a guy did for his f4
2017-02-07T15:20:41 < karlp> I don't really, but some dude is having c++ issues, and they're explicitly specifying -mabi=aapcs, which I belive _should_ be the default for ... anything that has ever targetted cortex-m eabi,
2017-02-07T15:20:49 < zyp> karlp, aapcs is EABI, which is the appropriate one for cortex-m, so I'd assume that's the default
2017-02-07T15:20:57 < karlp> but gcc is being particularly vague on the defaults
2017-02-07T15:21:23 < zyp> I've never seen anybody specifying -mabi
2017-02-07T15:21:24 < karlp> it just says, "you can use aapcs, aapcs-linux, apcs-gnu atpcs and iwmmxt"
2017-02-07T15:21:28 < karlp> neither had I :)
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2017-02-07T15:21:34 < zhivko> are this libraries for f3 usb somewhere on ST site ?
2017-02-07T15:21:45 < karlp> zhivko: go to the stm32f3 page on st's site and click on resources
2017-02-07T15:22:31 < PaulFertser> karlp: compile a file and check readelf output?
2017-02-07T15:22:46 < PaulFertser> E.g. "0x5000200, Version5 EABI, soft-float ABI"
2017-02-07T15:23:38 < karlp> PaulFertser: yeah, I was thinking that "Version 5" was aapcs.
2017-02-07T15:23:50 < karlp> was jsut a bit curious how to get gcc to tell me that
2017-02-07T15:25:36 < zyp> well, I assume it's implied by the target triplet
2017-02-07T15:25:43 < zyp> i.e. arm-none-eabi
2017-02-07T15:26:24 < zhivko> karlp: I tried clicking on USB iate code - in cubeMx, generate code, but this doesn't bring the usb libs in my project
2017-02-07T15:26:37 < zhivko> karlp: I tried clicking on USB - in cubeMx, generate code, but this doesn't bring the usb libs in my project
2017-02-07T15:30:25 < zhivko> So my mcu is:  STM32F303CB and under mcu in ST site I fo not see how to download firmware libs...
2017-02-07T15:32:50 < zhivko> Oh... possibly thi one ;) http://www.st.com/en/embedded-software/stsw-stm32108.html
2017-02-07T15:34:31 < englishman> zhivko: if you downloaded cube, the libs are already installed
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2017-02-07T15:35:17 < zhivko> hmmm... let me see.
2017-02-07T15:35:37 < englishman> Users/username/STM32Cube/Repository/
2017-02-07T15:36:12 < zhivko> No usb*.h files inside eclipse AC6 folder
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2017-02-07T15:36:51 < zhivko> Oh - you are correct!
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2017-02-07T15:44:08 < zhivko> f3 doesn't have isb_otg ?
2017-02-07T15:44:12 < zhivko> f3 doesn't have usb_otg ?
2017-02-07T15:45:35 < zhivko> oh :( can somebody point me how to use serial over usb for f3 ? any example for f3 ?
2017-02-07T15:48:22 < englishman> iirc no it's device only
2017-02-07T15:48:32 < englishman> f303 at least
2017-02-07T15:49:03 < englishman> in cube, set usb->device and usb_device->cdc
2017-02-07T15:49:07 < englishman> and all the other clocks required etc
2017-02-07T15:50:58 < englishman> then you get basic hooks like USBD_CDC_ReceivePacket, USBD_CDC_TransmitPacket
2017-02-07T15:51:09 < englishman> as found in usb_cdc.h
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2017-02-07T15:54:46 < zhivko> will this then show my board as virtual com port on windows ? And I could do write from f3 firmware and receive as serial on winddows ?
2017-02-07T15:55:05 < englishman> yeah that's what CDC is, "virtual comport"
2017-02-07T15:55:18 < englishman> you just need the st CDC driver for windows
2017-02-07T15:56:31 < zhivko> as soon as I check Sys -> SerialWire - USB CDC disables in CubeMx
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2017-02-07T15:56:49 < zhivko> Isn't Sys -Serial Wire enough ?
2017-02-07T15:57:15 < englishman> uh no
2017-02-07T15:57:20 < englishman> first
2017-02-07T15:57:22 < englishman> what chip?
2017-02-07T15:57:22 < zhivko> When I enable Sys - Serial wire it hooks up SWDIO and SWCLCK pins
2017-02-07T15:57:23 < englishman> second
2017-02-07T15:57:37 < englishman> Serial Wire Debug is your debug port nothing at all to do with USB or CDC
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2017-02-07T15:58:04 < englishman> you still have not read thru the datasheet and reference manual right
2017-02-07T15:58:08 < englishman> because you need to
2017-02-07T15:58:13 < englishman> at least the datasheet
2017-02-07T15:58:48 < zhivko> englishma: chip: STM32F303CBTx ah this means I could not have both at same time
2017-02-07T15:59:24 < englishman> well you are doing something wrong.
2017-02-07T15:59:48 < zhivko> englishman: I read datasheet but its too much to study for me - simply have not so much time to understand every word - time deadlline
2017-02-07T15:59:49 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/rF6jqeR.png
2017-02-07T15:59:52 < englishman> workiung here
2017-02-07T16:00:07 < englishman> well you will not complete your project faster if you don't know what it is you're doing
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2017-02-07T16:02:35 < zhivko> englishan: thanks - I have also pwms encoder two analog inputs
2017-02-07T16:02:54 < zhivko> on my side usb is completly grayed out
2017-02-07T16:03:52 < englishman> usb is one of those peripherals that can't be remapped (on most chips)
2017-02-07T16:04:01 < englishman> so you have to plan your other peripherals around that
2017-02-07T16:04:19 < englishman> (this info is in the datasheet)
2017-02-07T16:04:31 < zhivko> englishman: OH - I should tich USB -> Device... now I have it
2017-02-07T16:04:43 < zhivko> tick
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2017-02-07T16:08:04 < zhivko> englishman: CDC will then use USB_DP and USB_DM pins?
2017-02-07T16:08:24 < englishman> USB will, then CDC middleware will use USB
2017-02-07T16:10:05 < zhivko> So now I just use: CDC_Transmit_FS ?
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2017-02-07T16:11:05 < zhivko> main doesn't contain: CDC_Init_FS ... - why is that ? guess I need to add it ?
2017-02-07T16:11:57 < englishman> that sounds like non-hal functions
2017-02-07T16:12:03 < englishman> <englishman> then you get basic hooks like USBD_CDC_ReceivePacket, USBD_CDC_TransmitPacket
2017-02-07T16:12:03 < englishman> <englishman> as found in usb_cdc.h
2017-02-07T16:25:34 < zhivko> englishman: thank you... it compiled OK _ I hope it will work also (receiving serial stream on PC side)
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2017-02-07T16:43:11 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/e603e74854f1ea2909051ccfd7e40bf95c01fe3d78dc46782b1f13ac16274f86.webm
2017-02-07T16:45:23 < aadamson> ok, so is this the new normal... new guy with STM32, instead of figuring out how to make it work, you just get on here and ask someone else for their code that works.
2017-02-07T16:45:54 < aadamson> justification is because you don't have time due to deadlines.... hmmm... I guess opensores has a time component now... :(
2017-02-07T16:46:43 < aadamson> and for the record (and I know englishman knows this)  SWD and USB CDC on an F303 work just fine together ... hehe :)
2017-02-07T16:50:02 < englishman> pretty much
2017-02-07T16:50:08 < englishman> the datasheet = bible
2017-02-07T16:50:11 < englishman> not reading bible = death
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2017-02-07T16:50:50 < englishman> Laurenceb_: i see okcupid is working out for you
2017-02-07T16:50:54 < Laurenceb_> yup
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2017-02-07T17:10:17 < englishman> dongs: dicknplace has stm32f407zet6
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2017-02-07T17:52:06 < Ecco> karlp: So I read AN4488 (getting started w/ HW development)
2017-02-07T17:52:12 < Ecco> interesting read, but it just doesn't talk about vbus at all
2017-02-07T17:52:42 < Ecco> It actually barely even mention USB
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2017-02-07T17:55:03 < zyp> Ecco, which chip?
2017-02-07T17:55:12 < zyp> Ecco, and what's your vbus question?
2017-02-07T17:55:28 < Ecco> zyp: STM32F412
2017-02-07T17:55:48 < zyp> okay, so it has the dwc_otg core
2017-02-07T17:56:04 < Ecco> I'm using STM32 as an USB device only
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2017-02-07T17:56:21 < Ecco> So far it's working great. I'm drawing power from the host Vbus, and communicating using D+ and D-
2017-02-07T17:56:57 < Ecco> question : STM32Cube offers to configure a pin on my STM32 as Vbus.
2017-02-07T17:57:05 < Ecco> What is it for?
2017-02-07T17:57:32 < zyp> it drives the session valid logic in the dwc_otg core
2017-02-07T17:58:12 < Ecco> ok
2017-02-07T17:58:55 < Ecco> So should I hook it up to the host's vbus?
2017-02-07T17:59:09 < zyp> it's basically using vbus as an out of band signal to signify whether the usb bus is connected or not, so that it can turn off parts of the core when it's disconnected
2017-02-07T17:59:22 < Ecco> oh, I see
2017-02-07T17:59:36 < Ecco> So how comes USB is working at all without this?
2017-02-07T18:00:01 < Ecco> I'm currently using the ROM bootloader, and it does work even though said pin isn't connected to vbus
2017-02-07T18:00:02 < zyp> normally you should hook it up, but there's a flag to override it and assume vbus is always at a valid level
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2017-02-07T18:00:12 < Ecco> oh, I see
2017-02-07T18:00:21 < zyp> it's called DISABLEVBUSSENS or something like that
2017-02-07T18:00:42 < Ecco> also, said pin is GPIO A9. Hooking vbus to this pin would also let me figure out wheter USB is connected to the host, right?
2017-02-07T18:00:57 < karlp> Ecco: my apologies, I was sure it was in that document. I'll try and find where I was reading it last.
2017-02-07T18:01:08 < zhivko> aadamson: deadlines are not justification I know - but some of the things are new for me and I think they dont write in datasheet either (stuff ardound: USBD_CDC_ReceivePacket, USBD_CDC_TransmitPacket )
2017-02-07T18:01:17 < Ecco> I mean, I understand that's what the dwc_otg core is doing, but I can emulate this in software if I don't actually need to do USB IO, right?
2017-02-07T18:01:33 < zhivko> and why do you think asking about USB&serial & stuff could be an issue here? Is it inappropriate to ask such things in this channel?
2017-02-07T18:01:39 < Ecco> karlp: don't worry, it was a great read anyway. I didn't learn much, but it's nice to hve as an authoritative source of info
2017-02-07T18:01:55 < zhivko> sounds like knowledgeable guys are irritated by silly questions - but the one that is irritated is actually not the one that answered the question... that is funny
2017-02-07T18:02:16 < karlp> zhivko: that's because it's not a datahseet question, it's a "how to use the hal/cube software" question
2017-02-07T18:02:32 < karlp> perhaps try "UM1725: Description of STM32F4xx HAL drivers"
2017-02-07T18:02:36 < karlp> or similar for your target.
2017-02-07T18:03:19 < zyp> Ecco, oh, I'm wrong, it's VBUSASEN/VBUSBSEN in OTG_FS_GCCFG
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2017-02-07T18:03:42 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-07T18:04:34 < zhivko> karlp: does this mean cubemx related question should not be asked here?
2017-02-07T18:05:32 < englishman> what, of course not
2017-02-07T18:05:50 < zyp> zhivko, it's ok to ask cubemx questions here, but not everybody are using cubemx, so not everybody will be able to answer
2017-02-07T18:05:50 < aadamson> zhivko, it means we all had to figure it out and we all have... you can ask what you want, but I wouldn't expect much *this is how to do it*, more you'll likely get, there information is *here* and you'd be better off in the long term figuring it out yourself!
2017-02-07T18:05:53 < englishman> but you refuse to read the extensive documentation supplied by ST
2017-02-07T18:06:12 < englishman> dongs, halp, LIS3MDL is impossible to feed
2017-02-07T18:06:16 < englishman> its just jumping around on the tape
2017-02-07T18:06:44 < aadamson> exactly, looking back, everyone has pointed you to exactly the same places we all used to figure it out, and yet you seem to not want to do that, but would rather ask the how to do it, not how to learn to do it, both grossly different questions.
2017-02-07T18:06:47 < zyp> englishman, is that some QFN gyro chip or something?
2017-02-07T18:06:57 < englishman> 3x3mm LGA magnetometer yes
2017-02-07T18:07:02 < zyp> oh, 3x3
2017-02-07T18:07:03 < englishman> 4mm pitch on 12mm tape
2017-02-07T18:07:05 < zyp> that's small
2017-02-07T18:07:18 < englishman> the package isnt the issue its the *packaging*
2017-02-07T18:07:18 < aadamson> englishman, didn't you learn the number 1 rule... DUCT TAPE!!!
2017-02-07T18:07:21 < aadamson> :)
2017-02-07T18:07:24 < englishman> :(
2017-02-07T18:07:34 < englishman> oh
2017-02-07T18:07:37 < englishman> and its 2x2
2017-02-07T18:07:56 < aadamson> actually where I grew up in the rurals of Utah, it was duct tape and baling wire! :)
2017-02-07T18:07:56 < englishman> on 12mm feeder theres ~2cm of peeled tape before the pick area
2017-02-07T18:08:07 < englishman> and on every detent the parts just jump the fuck around because theyres so small
2017-02-07T18:08:17 < zyp> sounds like your feeders are shitty
2017-02-07T18:08:23 < aadamson> no way to dampen?>
2017-02-07T18:08:25 < englishman> they are pro yamaha CL ;'(
2017-02-07T18:08:26 < zyp> well, more shitty than the packaging accounted for
2017-02-07T18:08:30 < englishman> yeah
2017-02-07T18:08:43 < englishman> i also have other 4mm pitch parts on 12mm tape, and no issues
2017-02-07T18:10:09 < englishman> unfortunately there isnt a lot else out there for mags since honeywell nuked their product line
2017-02-07T18:10:15 < englishman> LIS3MDL is expensive too
2017-02-07T18:10:18 < zhivko> zyp: yes I dont expect the one who dont know about cubefx is able to answer it... appreciate answers from the ones who know it.
2017-02-07T18:10:28 < englishman> its the highest single component cost on this design save for the STM32
2017-02-07T18:11:16 < zyp> zhivko, remember that asking questions is an art, if you're not getting the answers you want, you're probably asking the wrong questions
2017-02-07T18:12:51 < zhivko> I will share my code when it is complete and I will put ##stm32 and englishman in Acknowledgments section of readme.md :) gues who I will not put there ;)
2017-02-07T18:13:27 < englishman> careful, licensing my likeness is expensive
2017-02-07T18:14:16 < zhivko> zyp: yes... it is always hard to ask right question - one should poses right information to ask right question... it is process of learning... and irc beeing one of such learning channels...
2017-02-07T18:16:13 < zhivko> Check how arduinos are spreading around the world... Its the question of being able to transfer knowledge quickly.
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2017-02-07T18:47:12 < englishman> w
2017-02-07T18:47:12 < englishman> t
2017-02-07T18:47:13 < englishman> f
2017-02-07T18:47:14 < englishman> fucking
2017-02-07T18:47:19 < englishman> arrow
2017-02-07T18:47:25 < englishman> refunded me only 50% of part cost
2017-02-07T18:47:42 < Laurenceb> ring them and shout
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2017-02-07T19:30:51 < emeb> "He's in Canada - what can he do?"
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2017-02-07T19:52:50 < Steffanx> heh
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2017-02-08T00:15:48 < kakimir> both xenon kits wont turn both on every time
2017-02-08T00:16:30 < englishman> hi kaks
2017-02-08T00:16:34 < englishman> slow chats today http://i.imgur.com/gkPUQch.jpg
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2017-02-08T00:17:36 < kakimir> im gerting pizza then drive fast home to ircs a while
2017-02-08T00:18:15 < kakimir> is there a word for driving fast
2017-02-08T00:18:21 < kakimir> in english
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2017-02-08T00:20:23 < englishman> speeding
2017-02-08T00:20:39 < upgrdman> wtf is gerting
2017-02-08T00:20:45 < BrainDamage> getting
2017-02-08T00:20:48 < upgrdman> o
2017-02-08T00:21:02 < BrainDamage> speed limits are quaint and the handbrake is for shorter turns
2017-02-08T00:29:42 < englishman> everyone update your wordpress
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2017-02-08T00:46:53 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/thumb/81e728d9d4/1490_md.jpg
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2017-02-08T00:52:59 < Laurenceb_> irrelevant news
2017-02-08T00:53:55 < englishman> yeah he linked that yesterday
2017-02-08T00:54:08 < englishman> 'minor field repair issue' 'earmarked $500m just in case'
2017-02-08T00:58:36 < kakimir> hello cannux
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2017-02-08T01:12:56  * mitrax hears bleating
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2017-02-08T01:38:06 < kakimir> DeVos?
2017-02-08T01:38:32 < kakimir> oh
2017-02-08T01:40:06 < Rickta59> you think we are stupid now .. just wait
2017-02-08T01:40:26 < kakimir> it's gettin good
2017-02-08T01:48:56 < kakimir> so trump was christian+
2017-02-08T01:49:24 < kakimir> pro-christian
2017-02-08T01:49:48 < Rickta59> http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/01/15/donald-trump-christianity-religion-serfaty-dnt-erin.cnn yeah he is a christian
2017-02-08T01:49:48 < kakimir> pro pumps
2017-02-08T01:50:05 < ohsix> https://www.crowdsupply.com/macrofab-inc/fx-development-board?utm_content=41951416
2017-02-08T01:50:08 < ohsix> lul
2017-02-08T01:50:23 < ohsix> thanks chanserv you're a doll
2017-02-08T01:50:52 < ohsix> flyback: lul, have you looked to see what the c2000 is actually in?
2017-02-08T01:51:07 < ohsix> everyone is saying things that it is in based on the segment the part is for
2017-02-08T01:51:28 < ohsix> but you won't find it in sales olol
2017-02-08T01:54:15 < ohsix> hi Rickta59 howru
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2017-02-08T02:32:10 < Laurenceb_> trump is what you get when 8chan rick-rolls you
2017-02-08T02:34:53 < ohsix> u wot m8
2017-02-08T02:37:09 < Laurenceb_> mc devvo m8
2017-02-08T02:37:37 < Rickta59> i'm surviving ohsix 
2017-02-08T02:38:54 < Laurenceb_> ohsix 4 president
2017-02-08T02:40:25 < ohsix> i'm not a laywer either, maybe i should consider it given the current political situation
2017-02-08T02:40:46 < ohsix> would have to find some way to misdirect people tho, not very good at being dishonest
2017-02-08T02:41:04 < ohsix> if i can find some nazis to do it for me maybe
2017-02-08T02:41:39 < Rickta59> just think of it as alternate truths
2017-02-08T02:42:48 < ohsix> whatever the dog is in adventure time is obviously the superior race, and you can't do the genocide based on that because it is a cartoon
2017-02-08T02:46:27 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: that's actually a really well thought out board
2017-02-08T02:46:38 < aandrew> er ohsix I guess
2017-02-08T02:47:36 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/02/07/the-megapixel-race-and-its-clear-winner/#comments
2017-02-08T02:47:39 < Laurenceb_> lul the comments
2017-02-08T02:47:53 < ohsix> aandrew: wut
2017-02-08T02:48:02 < aandrew> < ohsix> https://www.crowdsupply.com/macrofab-inc/fx-development-board?utm_content=41951416
2017-02-08T02:48:35 < ohsix> ah
2017-02-08T02:48:55 < ohsix> TBH i pasted that hear to see if i was still +q's, i sent it to a pal
2017-02-08T02:49:06 < ohsix> it's kind of silly,  but having the outer case available is kind of nice
2017-02-08T02:49:27 < ohsix> my pal has a perpetual dream of makign effects pedals,  but wont' just do it
2017-02-08T02:49:36 < ohsix> i met a lawyer the other day that makes them on the side lul
2017-02-08T02:50:25 < zyp> no part kits to get started though
2017-02-08T02:50:45 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-08T02:50:49 < zyp> they should have thrown in some opamps and passives at least
2017-02-08T02:50:50 < ohsix> i could send him a bunch of stuff
2017-02-08T02:51:02 < ohsix> yea that does seem like an obvious fuckup
2017-02-08T02:51:40 < aandrew> it's actually not silly at all
2017-02-08T02:51:49 < aandrew> it's a good board for screwing around with audio and analog 
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2017-02-08T02:52:11 < ohsix> they have templates and stuff
2017-02-08T02:52:14 < aandrew> it'd have been really nice if there was a 96khz codec on there and some kind of MCU for playing
2017-02-08T02:52:39 < ohsix> aandrew: yea by silly i mean i've just gone and done it, it's not useful to me; i have the jacks and wires and all the shit on hand
2017-02-08T02:53:27 < zyp> aandrew, eh, point seems to be to be able to just plug in your guitar, not dick around with digital shit
2017-02-08T02:53:28 < ohsix> you can get little breadboards with 750 points or something and a sticker on the back, and the power supply and everything, shove it in a thing
2017-02-08T02:57:30 < aandrew> zyp: difference between dicking around with analog shit vs digital shit?
2017-02-08T02:57:44 < aandrew> ordered a bunch of inductors to help cure my sick power supply
2017-02-08T02:57:50 < aandrew> 10,22,47uH
2017-02-08T02:58:27 < zyp> aandrew, all about the target audience
2017-02-08T02:58:52 < aandrew> don't see much of a difference, I'm sure there are plenty of gitter players who'd dick with digital as much as analog
2017-02-08T02:59:27 < ohsix> not that they would know about it
2017-02-08T02:59:42 < ohsix> it's mostly distortion and shit
2017-02-08T03:00:11 < aandrew> if all you wanted was distortion all you need to do is feed the gitter input into an inverter or two
2017-02-08T03:00:16 < ohsix> at best there are crap dsp simulations of germanium transistors/diodes, the people actually selling pedals will just use the real thing, and people will pony up
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2017-02-08T03:00:41 < ohsix> shrug
2017-02-08T03:00:56 < ohsix> they can address all that shit later with kits of parts to go with specific plans/templates, and blocks that do stuff
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2017-02-08T03:52:00 < Laurenceb_> smart all in one compass with pedometer
2017-02-08T03:52:04 < Laurenceb_> shit they are on to me
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2017-02-08T04:00:06 < aandrew> I need to get a couple more jlinks
2017-02-08T04:00:21 < aandrew> I like the jlink-cortex, how are the clones?
2017-02-08T04:03:31 < aandrew> I have a legit cortex and legit *something* (not sure what it is)
2017-02-08T04:04:07 < aandrew> looksl ike a plus because of the "JTAG SWD + SWO" at the bottom by the 20 pin connector
2017-02-08T04:04:16 < aandrew> and ozone loves it
2017-02-08T04:04:29 < aandrew> which I can't believe they don't license for use on the base
2017-02-08T04:05:52 < aandrew> maybe I can buy a couple EDUs with my son's student card
2017-02-08T04:06:11 < aandrew> ah no it must be a base
2017-02-08T04:06:18 < aandrew> because I get the warning when using ozone
2017-02-08T04:06:50 < aandrew> ideally I'd like to just figure out wtf gdb hates about jlink 
2017-02-08T04:06:58 < aandrew> so probably a base then
2017-02-08T04:09:27 < aandrew> heh osx does funny things when you have two instances of minicom talking to one serial port
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2017-02-08T04:22:49 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: in ozone do you know a quick way to either disable interrupts so your single-step doesn't jump off or how to pull up a list of threads so you can resume YOUR THREAD once the interrupt's done?
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2017-02-08T04:30:50 < upgrdman> good job japan   https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8e/5b/cc/8e5bcc82f447002df5e29efb88c01a64.jpg
2017-02-08T04:32:07 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: call stack is current thread only 
2017-02-08T04:40:21 < aandrew> ohwait
2017-02-08T04:40:24 < aandrew> forgot about the plugin
2017-02-08T04:43:25 < aandrew> hm that didn't change anything
2017-02-08T04:43:28 < aandrew> I see the tasks now
2017-02-08T04:46:17 < aandrew> yeah I see it jump to the other thread
2017-02-08T04:46:22 < aandrew> I can't seem to get back to the one I'm trying to debug
2017-02-08T04:46:36 < aandrew> I can double-click it and see where it stopped but that's about it
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2017-02-08T05:43:59 < zyp> aandrew, which chip are you debugging?
2017-02-08T05:44:41 < zyp> IIRC some revs of m7 have a bug that prohibits disabling interrupts when single stepping
2017-02-08T05:45:00 < zyp> other than that, any sane debugger should do it by default
2017-02-08T05:45:53 < zyp> fixed the ARM core? :)
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2017-02-08T05:53:46 < aandrew> F207
2017-02-08T05:54:22 < aandrew> woot, first SNMP request sent from F207: http://imgur.com/a/Xvd83
2017-02-08T05:54:36 < aandrew> now I gotta process responses, which is gonna suck just as bad
2017-02-08T05:56:35 < zyp> enjoying ASN.1 yet?
2017-02-08T05:56:46 < aandrew> dude I'm dreaming in ASN1
2017-02-08T05:57:04 < zyp> sounds like nightmares
2017-02-08T05:57:52 < aandrew> people ask for my number and I'm like SEQUENCE 30 INTEGER 1 5 INTEGER 1 1 INTEGER 1 9 INTEGER 1 5 INTEGER 1 5 INTEGER 1 5 INTEGER 1 7 INTEGER 1 8 INTEGER 1 9 INTEGER 1 0
2017-02-08T06:00:05 < gxti> over the past month i've done more asn1 than any one person should have to do in a lifetime
2017-02-08T06:00:23 < aandrew> well wtf man you could have been helping me
2017-02-08T06:00:30 < gxti> fuck that, pay me
2017-02-08T06:00:33 < aandrew> I could have been leveraging your sweat instad of sweating myself
2017-02-08T06:00:36 < aandrew> lol
2017-02-08T06:00:44 < aandrew> what're you doing with asn1
2017-02-08T06:01:20 < gxti> implementing a sizable chunk of pkcs7 and pkcs9 (signed documents and trusted timestamping, respectively)
2017-02-08T06:01:35 < aandrew> ahh
2017-02-08T06:01:38 < aandrew> crypto shit
2017-02-08T06:01:43 < aandrew> better you than me
2017-02-08T06:03:11 < zyp> nice, now I have two potential victims if I ever have to touch that
2017-02-08T06:05:23 < ohsix> ouaoh
2017-02-08T06:05:51 < ohsix> aandrew: why aren't you able to use something already written
2017-02-08T06:06:00 < aandrew> ohsix: I am
2017-02-08T06:06:04 < ohsix> also nonserious suggestion, but someone did the work to get rust to target stm32
2017-02-08T06:06:11 < aandrew> I leveraged allthe ASN1 stuff in LwIP which has an SNMP server but not client
2017-02-08T06:06:13 < zyp> LeelooMinai, chart view in IDA
2017-02-08T06:06:13 < ohsix> if yuo're writing new that-type-of-code it is a consideration
2017-02-08T06:06:16 < ohsix> ah
2017-02-08T06:06:58 < zyp> yes
2017-02-08T06:07:05 < gxti> even the lwip snmp server is pretty unpleasant... i had to patch it just to remove write capability
2017-02-08T06:07:15 < zyp> kinda too expensive too, otherwise I would have bought it
2017-02-08T06:07:30 < zyp> IDA 5 is free, but limited to x86
2017-02-08T06:07:59 < zyp> but super useful when you're reverse engineering x86 shit
2017-02-08T06:08:37 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/DMpv0.png <- you get this sort of shit
2017-02-08T06:09:00 < zyp> IDA 6 supports ARM
2017-02-08T06:09:57 < zyp> idk, look for a pirate version perhaps?
2017-02-08T06:10:33 < zyp> aren't you huge on inventing your own tools though? let me know if you make a disassembler like that :p
2017-02-08T06:12:20 < ohsix> m-labs person i've spoken to wrote a tcp/ip stack in rust cuz lwip suxxx
2017-02-08T06:12:27 < zyp> I've thought about throwing together something simple before, could be as easy as a script that eats a disassembly, breaks it into blocks at the branching instruction and outputs a graphviz .dot
2017-02-08T06:12:28 < ohsix> though i dont' think it has a bunch of server junk like lwip
2017-02-08T06:13:21 < zyp> true, but neither are your initial disassembly listings
2017-02-08T06:13:45 < ohsix> you can get gcc to help you find basic blocks for that sort of thing
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2017-02-08T06:14:15 < aandrew> I gotta get an osx copy of ida arm
2017-02-08T06:14:41 < zyp> ohsix, eh, shouldn't be too hard to just parse the disassembly
2017-02-08T06:15:06 < zyp> pretty much every sort of jump on ARM is a variant of the b-instruction
2017-02-08T06:15:08 < aandrew> I like osx
2017-02-08T06:15:14 < aandrew> way better than windows
2017-02-08T06:15:20 < ohsix> radare probably has stuff too
2017-02-08T06:15:26 < ohsix> zyp: yea, word
2017-02-08T06:15:39 < aandrew> mind you, bash shell on win10 is looking interesting
2017-02-08T06:15:43 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: lol
2017-02-08T06:15:50 < ohsix> if i had to do that even gcc helping wouldn' tbe the top option
2017-02-08T06:15:55 < zyp> only sort of branch instruction on arm that's not a variant of b that I can think of is pop pc
2017-02-08T06:16:11 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I use the shell continuously
2017-02-08T06:17:25 < aandrew> ssh, bc, scripting, etc.
2017-02-08T06:18:14 < aandrew> yeah, I'm familiary with putty bitvise and mobax
2017-02-08T06:18:16 < aandrew> calculator
2017-02-08T06:18:38 < ohsix> but are you familiar with telnet
2017-02-08T06:19:01 < ohsix> zyp: lul that's a really good point, i'd forgotten
2017-02-08T06:19:14 < ohsix> computed jumps are what makes disassembling it withotu a simulator annoying too
2017-02-08T06:21:43 < zyp> heads up, learning curve is a bit steep
2017-02-08T06:21:59 < aandrew> interesting app
2017-02-08T06:24:04 < aandrew> a what now?
2017-02-08T06:24:33 < zyp> matryoshka
2017-02-08T06:24:57 < aandrew> ah
2017-02-08T06:25:00 < upgrdman> so i found a 3d model to use for my quaternion visualization     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o7qKzyWwbI
2017-02-08T06:25:35 < aandrew> no
2017-02-08T06:25:59 < upgrdman> its not
2017-02-08T06:26:49 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-02-08T06:38:40 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: magnet link to that?
2017-02-08T06:41:10 < aandrew> thanks
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2017-02-08T06:50:12 < zyp> LeelooMinai, hahaha, nice type names
2017-02-08T06:52:20 < zyp> I've mostly used IDA to reverse engineer stuff, without access to debug symbols or anything
2017-02-08T06:52:43 < zyp> so it doesn't even recover types
2017-02-08T06:53:24 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-08T06:54:00 < zyp> extra fun when you're actually debugging a running application in that graph view
2017-02-08T06:54:42 < zyp> there's those nice «run until here» and «set pc to here» options in the right click menu
2017-02-08T06:56:05 < zyp> guess it depends what you're debugging
2017-02-08T06:56:27 < zyp> like I said, I haven't tried it on embedded yet
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2017-02-08T07:10:24 < englishman> heh, why does macrofab need $25k for that board, their entire business is one-offs
2017-02-08T07:10:29 < ohsix> upgrdman: i'm proxy offended for like 5000k people so you better watch out
2017-02-08T07:10:54 < ohsix> no idea, that is more thought than i put into it
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2017-02-08T07:11:11 < ohsix> zyp: there's a patched up qemu that has address ranges for stm32 parts in it
2017-02-08T07:11:15 < ohsix> i've used that to cheat a bit
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2017-02-08T07:11:47 < ohsix> you can setup ida to start it and everything when you want to run a function too; and if you use openocd / thing with gdb protocol, it will flash only that code on the real thing to run it
2017-02-08T07:13:21 < upgrdman> ohsix, wut
2017-02-08T07:13:37 < ohsix> the quaternion model
2017-02-08T07:13:49 < upgrdman> u no like
2017-02-08T07:13:59 < ohsix> proxy outrage is where i'm not really offended but i'm being offended on behalf of people that would be really offended
2017-02-08T07:14:08 < upgrdman> mmmmk
2017-02-08T07:14:12 < ohsix> i like it as a joke video and i know you're going to use something else:p
2017-02-08T07:14:21 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-08T07:14:32 < ohsix> so is that tile for just quaternions or wut, how many visualizations are you going to add
2017-02-08T07:14:38 < ohsix> it's going to get a bit nuts
2017-02-08T07:16:18 < upgrdman> well for that tile, ya
2017-02-08T07:16:33 < upgrdman> maybe if i put some 9DOF on an rc toy i
2017-02-08T07:16:37 < aandrew> ohsix: I'm actually looking at qemu for cortex M/A emu
2017-02-08T07:16:41 < upgrdman> maybe if i put some 9DOF on an rc toy i'll add some aviation gadgets
2017-02-08T07:17:26 < upgrdman> but ya i need to model something for the quat tiles. dont want some faggot crying about how i used their free model in my free software and demanding money
2017-02-08T07:17:47 < ohsix> niiiiiice ebay lets me use emoji for feedback, i can finally express my lack of care
2017-02-08T07:17:51 < aandrew> I gotta convert some euler angle outputs to quats
2017-02-08T07:17:54 < aandrew> never done it before
2017-02-08T07:18:01 < aandrew> should be tons of shit out there
2017-02-08T07:18:23 < ohsix> aandrew: it was this i think, but there's new stuff on the googles http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/qemu/
2017-02-08T07:18:50 < ohsix> http://beckus.github.io/qemu_stm32/ ooh this one has some f1 peripherals even
2017-02-08T07:19:17 < ohsix> that would be the one to contribute to, from the looks of it
2017-02-08T07:19:19 < aandrew> nice
2017-02-08T07:19:26 < ohsix> haven't used it tho
2017-02-08T07:19:47 < ohsix> the 103 is like magic
2017-02-08T07:20:01 < ohsix> some dude i was talking about one of his projects to the other day
2017-02-08T07:20:14 < ohsix> er let me try that again, someone was talking to us about his project with a pic32 in it
2017-02-08T07:20:24 < ohsix> he mentioned they were 3$ each or something and i told him about the f103
2017-02-08T07:20:40 < ohsix> so there's another stm32bro
2017-02-08T07:20:49 < aandrew> yeah I got a few businesses to flip
2017-02-08T07:20:49 < ohsix> everyone i know is going to be using the stm32 eventually olol
2017-02-08T07:21:21 < ohsix> i need to find a broker that can buy a bunch at chinese market prices
2017-02-08T07:21:37 < ohsix> the price st will sell them at, that is
2017-02-08T07:21:41 < ohsix> i wanna see wat it is
2017-02-08T07:21:50 < aandrew> F103 is $3 in 1k qty
2017-02-08T07:21:58 < ohsix> in china?
2017-02-08T07:22:52 < ohsix> hrm
2017-02-08T07:23:06 < ohsix> there were some high count n-pcs listings on ebay the other day but they're gone now
2017-02-08T07:23:12 < aandrew> ok maybe not china
2017-02-08T07:24:32 < ohsix> can't find them now, but i saw some for 1.40~ or so, no idea about legitimacy but i double checked at the time
2017-02-08T07:24:51 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/50PCS-STM32F100C8T6-LQFP-48-STM32F100-ST-NEW-GOOD-QUALITY-Q3-/301724733905?hash=item46403211d1:g:A-MAAOSwcu5UNhSZ
2017-02-08T07:24:54 < ohsix> hrm
2017-02-08T07:25:09 < ohsix> 1.80$
2017-02-08T07:25:25 < aandrew> at 10k digikey has that at $2.5
2017-02-08T07:25:29 < ohsix> chn307? lul i don't think i've seen that before
2017-02-08T07:25:44 < aandrew> mouser at $1.93
2017-02-08T07:26:00 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-08T07:26:05 < ohsix> also 10k?
2017-02-08T07:26:23 < ohsix> someone was trying to shill for mouser the other day when i was acting surprised to see a mouser bag (instead of digikey)
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2017-02-08T07:26:36 < ohsix> ah those are f100s
2017-02-08T07:26:38 < aandrew> oh these are CAD too
2017-02-08T07:27:19 < aandrew> f103 for USD $1.23 at newark
2017-02-08T07:27:35 < aandrew> oh, found $1 
2017-02-08T07:28:08 < aandrew> maybe not, can't trust newark pricing on octopart
2017-02-08T07:28:50 < ohsix> nice
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2017-02-08T07:43:51 < upgrdman> http://www.gifbin.com/988907
2017-02-08T07:43:59 < upgrdman> right in the feels
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2017-02-08T07:50:47 < ohsix> i might be in the paper again
2017-02-08T07:52:08 < ohsix> i had someone recognize me for my bike, but randos are weird
2017-02-08T07:52:46 < ohsix> local news is weird too, they're looking for shit to do, you call them and say something interesting is going on, and they come by
2017-02-08T07:53:54 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tight_oil lul
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2017-02-08T09:05:47 < ohsix> hm pacman guy died
2017-02-08T09:05:57 < ohsix> i bet he regretted pixels
2017-02-08T09:06:04 < ohsix> http://zserge.com/blog/tcl-interpreter.html unrelated
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2017-02-08T09:27:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, re: pacman, i found this (long) talk about ms pacman kinda interesting   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhM8NAMW_VQ
2017-02-08T09:27:55 < upgrdman> lots of technical details in that talk
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2017-02-08T09:59:13 < Gerritjan> maybe a stupid question but when i use a oscilloscope with blink led can i use the same settings of the oscilloscope with reading the uart tx?
2017-02-08T09:59:55 < jpa-> why not try?
2017-02-08T10:00:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> I mean, quite likely you'll want to change the timescale, but yeas?
2017-02-08T10:00:31 < Gerritjan> oke because i did try to get some  information with uart but i didnt get any info
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2017-02-08T10:01:26 < Gerritjan> i did build a oscilloscope and now im gone use it for the first time :D
2017-02-08T10:12:25 < Gerritjan> La?
2017-02-08T10:14:32 < Gerritjan> im using this and cost around $2  to make http://imgur.com/a/Rzce7
2017-02-08T10:15:46 < upgrdman> Gerritjan, sound card o-scope? they cant measure DC iirc
2017-02-08T10:16:00 < upgrdman> so if your LED is blinking slow, you may only see a blip
2017-02-08T10:16:27 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, k. what voltage range can they read?
2017-02-08T10:16:41 < upgrdman> +/- 3v3?
2017-02-08T10:17:00 < Gerritjan> hmmm oke
2017-02-08T10:18:22 < Gerritjan> thats true
2017-02-08T10:21:09 < Gerritjan> becuase i only wanted to check if the tx is sending a U so i know its right coded
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2017-02-08T10:23:07 < Gerritjan> well it didnt :S 
2017-02-08T10:23:22 < Gerritjan> and i did try the same code on USART1 and same problem
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2017-02-08T10:26:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> Do you need to set alt-function for your chip?
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2017-02-08T10:27:03 < Gerritjan> Oke ill buy a La and start from there
2017-02-08T10:28:22 < Gerritjan> oke and can it be that the problem is that im using the standard libs?
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2017-02-08T10:29:24 < Gerritjan> because i only use the standard libs
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2017-02-08T10:33:16 < Gerritjan> oke thx
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2017-02-08T10:51:27 < Gerritjan> LeelooMinai: is 4hmz LA high enough?
2017-02-08T10:51:59 < Ecco> hey
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2017-02-08T10:52:52 < Jak_o_Shadows> The cheap ones go up to 20MHz
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2017-02-08T10:54:28 < Gerritjan> oke then i know what to do
2017-02-08T10:54:41 < Gerritjan> oke thx
2017-02-08T10:55:28 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah. You don't want to run yourself crazy on aliasing issues
2017-02-08T10:55:32 < Gerritjan> because i did see 4hmz 6 channels
2017-02-08T10:56:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/USB-Logic-Analyzer-Device-Set-USB-Cable-24MHz-8CH-24MHz-for-ARM-FPGA-M100-U-/302165136201?hash=item465a721349:g:7OUAAOSwo4pYT3EO 8 Channel, 24 MHz
2017-02-08T10:56:34 < Gerritjan> Jak_o_Shadows: im crazy :S @ the moment i need to read more about the uart
2017-02-08T10:57:14 < Gerritjan> im still waiting for a package from china hahahah
2017-02-08T10:57:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> Woah, that ones cheaper LeelooMinai - the one i linked is cheaper - at least when you convert to AUD
2017-02-08T10:58:38 < Gerritjan> :) true
2017-02-08T10:59:27 < Gerritjan> well i can buy 1 from ali and use temp a arduino with 4mhz 6 channels 
2017-02-08T11:00:39 < Gerritjan> oke :D
2017-02-08T11:00:41 < Gerritjan> brb
2017-02-08T11:01:55 < Gerritjan> lol
2017-02-08T11:02:25 < Gerritjan> euhm there was a holliday from 23 jan until 3 feb i heared 
2017-02-08T11:02:31 < Gerritjan> but brb
2017-02-08T11:11:08 < Ecco> https://cdn.sparkfun.com/assets/7/4/e/2/f/511420f6ce395f157b000003.jpg
2017-02-08T11:11:14 < Ecco> -> What would be the name of such a connector?
2017-02-08T11:11:48 < Ecco> They look like the most common kind, yet I always have a hard time finding a proper reference
2017-02-08T11:11:51 < Ecco> thanks LeelooMinai 
2017-02-08T11:15:27 < Ecco> Any big manufacturer makes those? I'd like to get a 3D model and some footprints :)
2017-02-08T11:16:58 < Ecco> ok
2017-02-08T11:17:02 < Ecco> I'd like SMD :)
2017-02-08T11:19:47 < Ecco> allright
2017-02-08T11:19:52 < Ecco> I usually go to a brand manufacturer
2017-02-08T11:19:54 < Ecco> like Molex
2017-02-08T11:20:06 < Ecco> they have all the specs and 3D models
2017-02-08T11:20:23 < Ecco> For some reason I cannot find such a common connector at big name manufacturers
2017-02-08T11:21:15 < scrotal_bonus> Hi
2017-02-08T11:21:27 < Ecco> :-D
2017-02-08T11:21:36 < Ecco> scrotal_bonus: nice nickname :)
2017-02-08T11:22:09 < scrotal_bonus> Yas I changed it from smegma_salad
2017-02-08T11:22:31 < scrotal_bonus> I'm making a Ka band MMIC
2017-02-08T11:22:46 < scrotal_bonus> GaN amplifier
2017-02-08T11:23:05 < Ecco> :-D
2017-02-08T11:24:42 < scrotal_bonus> Basically the idea is have a patch antenna aimed forward. That is fed through the amplifier and back out another patch antenna
2017-02-08T11:24:58 < scrotal_bonus> Which is also aimed forward
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2017-02-08T11:26:27 < scrotal_bonus> Cops run 28-34ghz usually at around 200mW max
2017-02-08T11:26:51 < scrotal_bonus> Imagine what a 70 watt beam back in the radar gun's face would do to it
2017-02-08T11:27:29 < scrotal_bonus> LOL
2017-02-08T11:27:40 < scrotal_bonus> It's worth a shot
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2017-02-08T11:46:32 < karlp> englishman: windy here today too http://imgur.com/a/fbdUi
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2017-02-08T11:50:25 < karlp> LeelooMinai: with your dslogic, how high have you taken it? I'd read some commentary that from inspection of the circuits and preliminary tests there was no way in hell you could actually get 400Mhz out of it.
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2017-02-08T12:00:33 < Steffanx> I have a dslogic too. Sadly i have a newer rev.
2017-02-08T12:00:56 < Steffanx> They changed the pin header to an old ipod touch/iphone connector
2017-02-08T12:02:27 < Steffanx> Bought it on ebay though, because cheaper. But I read on seeed people received one with thr same connector
2017-02-08T12:03:32 < Steffanx> Yes
2017-02-08T12:03:38 < karlp> nice mac address on your snmp source there aandrew 
2017-02-08T12:03:43 < Steffanx> http://www.3dobjects.nl/image/cache/data/Technology/AppleConnector05-500x500.jpg that. Exactly thay
2017-02-08T12:03:55 < karlp> do you not get a mac in each chip from st?
2017-02-08T12:04:26 < Steffanx> ... ?
2017-02-08T12:05:46 < Steffanx> Nein. Its a newef rev.
2017-02-08T12:05:49 < Steffanx> Newer
2017-02-08T12:06:25 < Steffanx> https://m.seeedstudio.com/detail/2423
2017-02-08T12:06:28 < Steffanx> See pics
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2017-02-08T12:08:41 < Steffanx> Someone asked about it on the dreamsourcelab forum. If its real or a copycat, no response yet
2017-02-08T12:08:47 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-02-08T12:10:32 < Steffanx> Yeah, but when they do, you are screwed
2017-02-08T12:14:05 < Steffanx> Mine does.
2017-02-08T12:14:36 < Steffanx> The pcb is exactly the same, except for the pins
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2017-02-08T12:25:11 < Ecco> Guys, is it safe to power a logic component from an STM32 or would you guys always recommend using a transistor?
2017-02-08T12:25:40 < Ecco> The datasheet of the component I'm interested in says it draws max 7mA, and if I read the STM32 datasheet correctly it can source up to 20mA
2017-02-08T12:26:01 < Ecco> so it should be ok to plug it directly. Is that something you'd recommend against doing?
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2017-02-08T12:43:00 < mitrax> Ecco: you should be fine, as long as you don't exceed the total and per pin max source current 
2017-02-08T12:46:05 < Ecco> mitrax: My understanding as well.
2017-02-08T12:46:24 < Ecco> Now in general is it a safe practice to use a transistor anyway, just in case, or is it useless extra comlpexity?
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2017-02-08T13:18:15 < Kliment> Ecco: You'll be fine
2017-02-08T13:18:19 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-02-08T13:18:21 < Ecco> Thanks
2017-02-08T13:18:24 < Kliment> Ecco: Just be careful you don't use the RTC pins
2017-02-08T13:18:29 < Kliment> Ecco: Those are limited to 3mA
2017-02-08T13:18:37 < Ecco> ok :)
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2017-02-08T13:27:04 < jpa-> ohsix: there is hope for you still   http://www.wikihow.com/Get-a-Girlfriend-When-You're-Autistic
2017-02-08T13:28:10 < Steffanx> How you met your parrot?
2017-02-08T13:28:22 < Steffanx> Meetaparrot.com?
2017-02-08T13:29:03 < jpa-> bought a calculator from her brother, she came with the deal
2017-02-08T13:29:38 < Steffanx> Oh no she was you taxi driver :P
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2017-02-08T13:36:19 < Steffanx> Ill never forgeg you said that.
2017-02-08T13:36:22 < Steffanx> Forget
2017-02-08T13:36:53 < jpa-> no need to either, it's true ;)
2017-02-08T13:38:01 < jpa-> Steffanx: perhaps you could move to finland and be our au pair?
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2017-02-08T14:19:06 < BrainDamage> /me farts on crt
2017-02-08T14:36:22 < Steffanx> brainfart
2017-02-08T14:38:11 < Fleck> yeah, what else the owner could say... right?
2017-02-08T14:38:31 < Steffanx> What else can a complainer say right?
2017-02-08T14:39:37 < Fleck> now you act like a child
2017-02-08T14:39:40 < Fleck> Steffanx: !
2017-02-08T14:39:50 < Steffanx> One can also be too serious.
2017-02-08T14:40:21 < Fleck> right, which is like 1000x times better...
2017-02-08T14:44:21 < Steffanx> Im terribly sorry Fleck, how can i make it up to you?
2017-02-08T14:44:39 < Steffanx> I can do a dutch oven?
2017-02-08T14:45:37 < Tectu> Why are you always so butthurt, Mr. Fleck? Do you live in PonyLand where everything is happy?
2017-02-08T14:47:53 < Fleck> why are you assuming things all the time w/o checking facts Tectu?
2017-02-08T14:51:39 < karlp> tectu always gets grumpy when someone doesn't agree with themon the glory of ugrafff
2017-02-08T14:52:13 < Steffanx> The who?
2017-02-08T14:55:19 < Fleck> ;p
2017-02-08T14:55:55 < Steffanx> Google cannot parse, karlp.
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2017-02-08T15:01:31 < englishman> Good morning fellow IRC EEs! Another fantastic day begins! May your kittens be fluffy and your stm32s devoid of errata!
2017-02-08T15:02:30 < Steffanx> And may the Arrow go the right way this time?
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2017-02-08T15:08:48 < sync_> Steffanx: please be careful, the pointy glyph is one of his triggers
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2017-02-08T15:10:55 < englishman> day=ruined, thanks steffan
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2017-02-08T15:16:52 < Tectu_> code composer studio == aids
2017-02-08T15:16:55 < Tectu_> just sayin
2017-02-08T15:17:11 < Tectu_> I didn't know that one can make eclipse even worse
2017-02-08T15:23:43 < Tectu_> thanks for the warning, Steffanx 
2017-02-08T15:31:52 < Rickta59> which version Tectu_ ?
2017-02-08T15:32:29 < Tectu_> Rickta59, couldn't even get the most recent one to work (on three different computers), ended up using some 5.4 version that is like 2013-ish to get at least something working
2017-02-08T15:32:41 < Rickta59> It has felt like it has been getting better * meaning TI is putting less of their own special sauce
2017-02-08T15:32:49 < Rickta59> 5.4 sucks
2017-02-08T15:33:09 < Rickta59> 6.something feels more like eclipse
2017-02-08T15:33:14 < Rickta59> 5.4 really sucks
2017-02-08T15:33:54 < Rickta59> 7 is out but i'll wait a year before trying it
2017-02-08T15:34:38 < Rickta59> it still is at 7.0.0 .. have to wait for at least .2 before i bother
2017-02-08T15:34:55 < Rickta59> at least it is free now
2017-02-08T15:36:02 < englishman> psoc creator remains awesome
2017-02-08T15:36:42 < Rickta59> i guess because it isn't trying to be cross platform
2017-02-08T15:37:18 < Steffanx> Whats your target controller tectu?
2017-02-08T15:39:35 < Ecco> What's the difference between "current sourced" and "current injected" ?
2017-02-08T15:43:20 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-02-08T15:43:41 < Steffanx> Sky
2017-02-08T15:44:57 < mitrax> Ecco: either you supply your external device through VDD (source current) or you connect its GND/VSS to a gpio configured as open drain (sink / injected current)
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2017-02-08T15:50:21 < Ecco> well, for some reason the STM32 makes a difference between sunk current and injected current
2017-02-08T15:50:32 < Ecco> I know about current source vs current sink
2017-02-08T15:50:39 < Ecco> but I wonder what's about current injection
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2017-02-08T15:54:06 < mitrax> oh, iirc that relates to the current that is injected when the input is higher than VDD, and that flows through the protection diodes
2017-02-08T15:54:26 < Ecco> oh, I see. makes sense, thanks!
2017-02-08T15:54:36 < Ecco> Another question, regarding decoupling capacitors on VDD/VSS pairs
2017-02-08T15:54:49 < Ecco> The datasheet says you have to add a couple caps on each VDD/VSS pairs
2017-02-08T15:54:52 < Ecco> so far, so good
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2017-02-08T15:55:10 < Ecco> but on a package I'm looking at, there's a stray VDD pin, with no matching VSS pin
2017-02-08T15:56:00 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/ZjuVHTJ.png
2017-02-08T15:56:02 < Ecco> pin 19
2017-02-08T15:56:36 < mitrax> so? just connect it to a nearby ground
2017-02-08T15:57:14 < Ecco> well, the datasheet asks to decouple VDD/VSS pairs
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2017-02-08T16:00:04 < mitrax> yes but that doesn't mean you should decouple if there's a single VDD pin, plus are you using a different reference than the ground for VSSA?
2017-02-08T16:01:19 < Ecco> nope
2017-02-08T16:01:23 < Tectu_> thanks for the info Rickta59 
2017-02-08T16:01:28 < Tectu_> Steffanx, MSP430
2017-02-08T16:03:22 < zyp> Ecco, the point is to keep the decoupling impedance as low as possible
2017-02-08T16:04:27 < zyp> Ecco, and I assume you have a ground plane?
2017-02-08T16:05:15 < Ecco> zyp: nope, ground pours
2017-02-08T16:05:26 < zyp> well, that's a ghetto ground plane
2017-02-08T16:05:30 < Ecco> yeah :-)
2017-02-08T16:05:34 < zyp> if you stitch it properly
2017-02-08T16:05:47 < Ecco> That's the idea
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2017-02-08T16:08:21 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/UU8xr.png <- here's how I decouple 100qfp f4
2017-02-08T16:08:34 < zyp> five decoupling caps are highlighted
2017-02-08T16:08:52 < zyp> this is a 4L board with internal power and ground planes though
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2017-02-08T16:12:37 < zyp> Ecco, hmm, you're asking if you should have a dedicated cap for both 19 and 22?
2017-02-08T16:13:06 < zyp> unless you have a filtered VDDA that makes them separate, that's not necessary
2017-02-08T16:13:57 < zyp> the point of the «one cap per VDD pin» rule of thumb is that you want a cap close to each VDD pin to minimize impedance
2017-02-08T16:14:36 < zyp> when you have two pins right next to each other, one cap should cover both just fine
2017-02-08T16:23:18 < Ecco> Ok, I see. Great, thanks :)
2017-02-08T16:23:31 < Ecco> makes a lot of sense, thanks
2017-02-08T16:24:00 < Ecco> Wow, you have some vias *really* close to the pads
2017-02-08T16:24:05 < Ecco>  couldn't that be an issue?
2017-02-08T16:24:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/BE8pcgJ.png here's how i pro-decouple a BGA 
2017-02-08T16:24:33 < dongs> with everything on top
2017-02-08T16:24:45 < Ecco> weird, what CAD software?
2017-02-08T16:24:51 < dongs> altidumb of course
2017-02-08T16:25:00 < Ecco> that looks like Altium, but I had no idea it could look that way
2017-02-08T16:26:17 < dongs> what part of it looks 'that way'?
2017-02-08T16:26:19 < dongs> the colors?
2017-02-08T16:26:32 < dongs> and thats transparent colorscheme / single layer highlight
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2017-02-08T16:30:08 < zyp> Ecco, why would it be a problem? it's under the mask
2017-02-08T16:30:21 < ReadError> whats the grid on the BGA for?
2017-02-08T16:30:47 < zyp> Ecco, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/jYTIH.png
2017-02-08T16:31:29 < ReadError> fyi, i learned that PCB mfg dont like if you have a via with some mask over the hole and some not
2017-02-08T16:33:13 < karlp> dongs: why the extra long pad on, what, ID pin on that usb connector on the top?
2017-02-08T16:33:14 < dongs> you send your one-offs to "pcb mfg'?
2017-02-08T16:33:34 < dongs> karlp: you mean pin1? just gnd pin with vias on both ends
2017-02-08T16:34:29 < karlp> ah, fair enough
2017-02-08T16:35:29 < ReadError> dongs: well if its not some 1.2$ for 3 at osh sure
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2017-02-08T16:35:46 < ReadError> 4L im almost always better w/ pcb mfg
2017-02-08T16:35:57 < Ecco> zyp: indeed
2017-02-08T16:36:17 < dongs> oh i misread i thought you meant assembly
2017-02-08T16:36:21 < dongs> too stoned
2017-02-08T16:36:41 < zyp> dongs, back in jp yet?
2017-02-08T16:36:58 < Ecco> zyp: even those near the caps? e.g. the leftmost one on your picture
2017-02-08T16:37:15 < zyp> Ecco, can't you see they are under the mask?
2017-02-08T16:37:23 < dongs> zyp, in hotel, driving back tomrow
2017-02-08T16:37:36 < zyp> dongs, ah, cool
2017-02-08T16:38:01 < Ecco> I don't know, it's not crystal clear. And it seems to leave no error margin
2017-02-08T16:38:14 < ReadError> dongs: next time you skype with louis applerepairman find out what connector they use for TB / DP on macbooks thx hun
2017-02-08T16:38:15 < Ecco> I mean I don't doubt it work, I'm just trying to learn :)
2017-02-08T16:38:44 < zyp> Ecco, so what exactly is the problem you're imagining?
2017-02-08T16:39:17 < dongs> readstoner, why would you care? did you pay intel $50k for thunderdong docs?
2017-02-08T16:39:21 < Ecco> I don't know, but maybe vias resulting in a not-so-flat pcb which could lead to bad soldering?
2017-02-08T16:39:32 < ReadError> dongs: my 2011 macbook has a fucky connector
2017-02-08T16:39:38 < zyp> Ecco, not so flat in waht sense?
2017-02-08T16:39:39 < ReadError> and i need to replace
2017-02-08T16:39:41 < dongs> whydont you just ask him on jewtube
2017-02-08T16:39:49 < dongs> that nigger loves attention
2017-02-08T16:39:50 < ReadError> im not famous enough
2017-02-08T16:39:56 < dongs> just mention that steve jobs is cancer
2017-02-08T16:39:59 < dongs> (literally)
2017-02-08T16:40:03 < dongs> and he'll be sucking your dick
2017-02-08T16:40:07 < ReadError> lol
2017-02-08T16:52:38 < dongs> also pretty sure apple was the one who contributed the pics to the back of displayport vsa spec
2017-02-08T16:52:45 < dongs> you talkin gabout that big connector right?
2017-02-08T16:52:48 < dongs> square minidp
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2017-02-08T17:32:18 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgtc.com/eBbUjn4.jpg
2017-02-08T17:32:32 < ReadError> the miniDP
2017-02-08T17:33:00 < ReadError> pretty square but w/ slight rounding on the top
2017-02-08T17:33:08 < ReadError> in the corners
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2017-02-08T17:40:43 < dongs> right
2017-02-08T17:40:47 < dongs> look up vesa displayport docs
2017-02-08T17:40:50 < dongs> spec or whatever
2017-02-08T17:40:56 < dongs> in physical specifications
2017-02-08T17:41:02 < dongs> apple has the footrint/dimensions deined
2017-02-08T17:41:06 < dongs> i tihnk thats the shit they are using
2017-02-08T17:43:54 < ReadError> think its a common part from like molex or a big con mfg or some special plug?
2017-02-08T17:43:57 < dongs> yes
2017-02-08T17:44:02 < dongs> is standard molex
2017-02-08T17:44:12 < dongs> its like half dip half smt tho
2017-02-08T17:44:18 < dongs> so its a complete rage to remove
2017-02-08T17:44:23 < dongs> youo need to pay lous jewsmann
2017-02-08T17:45:59 < ReadError> chipquik
2017-02-08T17:46:37 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/a/QpLyP
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2017-02-08T17:51:05 < Laurenceb> I'm b& from all the places?
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2017-02-08T17:52:34 <@ReadError> step it up
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2017-02-08T17:54:17 <@ReadError> you must have to be really unfunny, pasting childporn or a spammer to get banned from 4chan
2017-02-08T17:55:50 < karlp> Laurenceb: lol, reminds of this! http://i.imgur.com/eqNYHZ3.png
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2017-02-08T18:06:16 < englishman> the cat was cute
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2017-02-08T18:34:49 < englishman> Fire breaks out at Chinese factory that makes Samsung Note 7 batteries
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2017-02-08T18:44:30 < dongs> https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/829320655355203587
2017-02-08T18:44:32 < dongs> wat the fuck
2017-02-08T18:45:41 < englishman> © 2016 YO is a trademark of Medical Electronic Systems
2017-02-08T18:45:43 < englishman> sounds legit
2017-02-08T18:46:00 < emeb> for guys who worry about their spunk
2017-02-08T18:46:05 < englishman> http://www.mes-global.com/
2017-02-08T18:46:06 < englishman> hmm
2017-02-08T18:46:10 < englishman> actually is legit
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2017-02-08T19:20:55 < Ecco> Well it's more convenient than a fish tank
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2017-02-08T19:36:15 < Rob235> anyone use bitlocker
2017-02-08T19:36:20 < Rob235> to encrypt windows 10
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2017-02-08T19:47:14  * emeb feels warm glow of success...
2017-02-08T19:47:22 < emeb> got ethernet working on my F7 board.
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2017-02-08T19:59:04 < Steffanx> What board emeb?
2017-02-08T19:59:13 < Steffanx> Custom?
2017-02-08T19:59:21 < emeb> Steffanx: yes 
2017-02-08T19:59:36 < emeb> stbone f7
2017-02-08T20:00:08 < emeb> this board with some minor fixes and an F746 -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stbone/index.html
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2017-02-08T20:13:45 < Steffanx> :D
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2017-02-08T20:49:00 < Steffanx> Lol irccloud died.
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2017-02-08T20:59:44 < englishrage> fucking irccloud
2017-02-08T20:59:47 < englishrage> and fucking fedex
2017-02-08T20:59:52 < englishrage> overnight service taking 3 days
2017-02-08T20:59:57 < englishrage> completely fucking my schedule
2017-02-08T21:07:48 < Rob235> w00t valentines day card I ordered came was delivered, gf better like it, cost $13
2017-02-08T21:09:38 < emeb> "gf better like it" - hah. You don't know how this works do you?
2017-02-08T21:10:26 < Rob235> :)
2017-02-08T21:11:02 < Rob235> its this but a red/rose version. I guess they sold out because it's not on their site anymore.  there was a commercial and she thought it was cool but didn't know I ordered it. https://www.lovepopcards.com/products/ornate-floral-bouquet-blue-pop-up-card
2017-02-08T21:11:35 < kc2uez> n00b
2017-02-08T21:11:47 < englishrage> neat
2017-02-08T21:13:42 < kc2uez> the wife will get what she gets every year a rice cooker. she doesn't even like rice. but it is an inside joke so it is ok
2017-02-08T21:14:30 < Rob235> is she asian?
2017-02-08T21:15:49 < Steffanx> Lol kc2uec
2017-02-08T21:15:51 < Steffanx> Z
2017-02-08T21:15:59 < kc2uez> no, american from pa white and blonde.
2017-02-08T21:16:14 < Rob235> yea I figured she wasn't asian when you said she doesn't like rice :P
2017-02-08T21:16:18 < englishrage> how many rice cookers are currently in your home
2017-02-08T21:16:50 < Rob235> what a strange/expensive inside joke
2017-02-08T21:16:56 < kc2uez> she gives them away, but i think she has gotten 18 so far
2017-02-08T21:17:02 < englishrage> lol
2017-02-08T21:17:13 < kc2uez> the one i got her this year was kind of cool
2017-02-08T21:18:01 < kc2uez> it would be odd if she doesn't get one
2017-02-08T21:18:34 < Steffanx> Just give it her a day too late for once. Or late in the evening. 
2017-02-08T21:18:41 < Steffanx> For extra variation
2017-02-08T21:18:48 < kc2uez> i have other stuff too of course. berries from berries.com (code 1515) for extra savings, she liek those and a $100 amazon gc
2017-02-08T21:19:45 < Rob235> I know what to write on the card now! "Can't wait to put my tongue in your booty :)"
2017-02-08T21:20:53 < Rob235> https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2568313/florist-shares-incredibly-awkward-gift-message-a-guy-wrote-for-his-girlfriend/
2017-02-08T21:20:55 < kc2uez> is she a pirate? 
2017-02-08T21:21:33 < Rob235> if only
2017-02-08T21:21:46 < Rob235> i was jk, just playing on that news story
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2017-02-08T21:23:06 < Steffanx> kc2uez, gc .. why no give her just $100 :P
2017-02-08T21:24:05 < kc2uez> she will just buy crap from amazon anyways 
2017-02-08T21:24:56 < kc2uez> she is a bookworm, so maybe she will go on a kindle shopping spree
2017-02-08T21:25:14 < kc2uez> save me the time of looking for the wrong thing she doesn't need 
2017-02-08T21:25:26 < englishrage> kc2uez: you new here? i assume youre a ham
2017-02-08T21:25:28 < Rob235> its crazy that you can pay $40 for 12 strawberries dipped in chocolate... costs them like $2... just for a special blowjob once a year
2017-02-08T21:25:36 < Steffanx> We need a new kind of gift card. "Can be spend anywhere, but at shop X".
2017-02-08T21:26:03 < kc2uez> i am a lurker, been here for a while and yes, i am a ham
2017-02-08T21:26:10 < englishrage> nice jeep
2017-02-08T21:26:52 < Steffanx> Im surprised to see you still dare to talk then :P
2017-02-08T21:26:55 < kc2uez> thanks, sweet ride. the kind that makes you look back when you park and walk away 
2017-02-08T21:27:27 < englishrage> fyi
2017-02-08T21:27:47 < englishrage> theres a HAB'r in here who currently holds the amateur duration record and will soon beat the Google Loon record
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2017-02-08T21:28:31 < Rob235> what is a ham, hab?
2017-02-08T21:28:49 < kc2uez> I am in to hab stuff too. check on APRS.si kc2uez-12 we did an experimental launch back in january
2017-02-08T21:28:57 < englishrage> ham = amateur radio, hab = high altitude balloon
2017-02-08T21:29:05 < Rob235> ahh
2017-02-08T21:29:10 < Steffanx> englishrage isnt habbing ish e?
2017-02-08T21:29:25 < Steffanx> no englishrage in #highaltitude
2017-02-08T21:29:32 < Rob235> first result was 'half asian bitch' hah
2017-02-08T21:29:40 < englishrage> no irccloud is down and fucking up my chats
2017-02-08T21:30:08 < kc2uez> GPS didn't work past 78k feets. I made the data logger/aprs beacon electronics for ir
2017-02-08T21:30:12 < englishrage> nice, kc2uez-12 even has the shiba inu icon
2017-02-08T21:30:51 < englishrage> cool
2017-02-08T21:30:55 < Steffanx> So you just joined the worst channel on freenode, after #avr, of freenode englishrage?
2017-02-08T21:31:16 < englishrage> yes
2017-02-08T21:31:28 < englishrage> to blog about today's hatred of fedex
2017-02-08T21:31:56 < englishrage> today was going so well too, arrow was doing nothing to enrage me
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2017-02-08T21:32:52 < Steffanx> Ah, so it was a good morning. Then the day went into afternoon mode and it went all sidewards?
2017-02-08T21:33:58 < englishrage> it was always going to be a bad day
2017-02-08T21:34:00 < englishrage> it was written
2017-02-08T21:34:06 < englishrage> you cannot change the outcome
2017-02-08T21:34:13 < englishrage> the events of this timeline have been written
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2017-02-08T21:35:23  * kc2uez reaches for his aluminum foil hat
2017-02-08T21:35:49 < englishrage> meanwhile heres my fun times with dc biasing tantalums video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEaKtezfFVI
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2017-02-08T21:37:46 < kc2uez> how to extract the magic smoke out of a tantalum cap
2017-02-08T21:38:45 < Steffanx> Damn, how will we, the autistic, be able to handle that he doesn't finish his sentence englishrage? Dont post that.
2017-02-08T21:38:49 < Steffanx> "Fuckin... "
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2017-02-08T21:55:14 < upgrdman> englishman, dc biasing == reverse biasing those tants?
2017-02-08T21:56:01 < englishman> no
2017-02-08T21:57:59 < upgrdman> == dc biasing above rated voltage?
2017-02-08T21:59:59 < gxti> i thought only crappy GPS stopped working based on only altitude limit, since the silly us munitions rule only applies at both altitude and speed
2017-02-08T22:00:18 < englishman> ah, there's the rub
2017-02-08T22:01:10 < ohsix> jpa-: 👍
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2017-02-08T22:18:02 < kc2uez> gxti, I used the REB-4216 by royaltek. It has a max altitude of 18km. I didn't even read the specs until after it didn't work. I have used before the one from adafruit. those work fine at high altitudes 
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2017-02-08T22:19:35 < machinehum> Anyone here using Cube? Is there a way to get all the HAL deps?
2017-02-08T22:19:59 < machinehum> I don't want to run that dumb GUI, all I want are the most up to date inc/ src/ files
2017-02-08T22:20:21 < machinehum> From somewhere that is not github
2017-02-08T22:21:09 < upgrdman> i havnt tried, but iirc gnuarmeclipse will copy the HAL into your project
2017-02-08T22:21:41 < machinehum> Hmm
2017-02-08T22:21:50 < machinehum> I have the plugin for atollic
2017-02-08T22:22:18 < machinehum> And I have cube installed, but when I run it tries to do this "auto code generation" bs
2017-02-08T22:22:27 < machinehum> I'm migrating from std periph
2017-02-08T22:22:38 < machinehum> Which can just be downloaded
2017-02-08T22:22:41 < machinehum> in a zip
2017-02-08T22:22:52 < upgrdman> cube can be downloaded too
2017-02-08T22:23:00 < upgrdman> its a big ass 300MB zip iirc
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2017-02-08T22:23:51 < upgrdman> e.g. for f4, download link is at the bottom of http://www.st.com/en/embedded-software/stm32cubef4.html
2017-02-08T22:24:00 < machinehum> I can't get the stand alone cube to run
2017-02-08T22:24:05 < machinehum> Some Java error
2017-02-08T22:24:21 < upgrdman> bummer. well i dont use cube yet, so maybe someone else can chime in
2017-02-08T22:24:53 < machinehum> std periph?
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2017-02-08T22:27:32 < englishman> machinehum: Users/username/STM32Cube/Repository/
2017-02-08T22:27:47 < englishman> contains the hal packages youve downloaded thru the gui
2017-02-08T22:28:00 < machinehum> englishman: Awesome
2017-02-08T22:28:07 < machinehum> englishman: Thanks so much
2017-02-08T22:28:12 < englishman> have fun
2017-02-08T22:28:19 < englishman> it also includes the all important .chm documentation
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2017-02-08T23:44:32 < machinehum> This is interesting
2017-02-08T23:44:45 < machinehum> In the HAL there are also "ll" deps
2017-02-08T23:44:54 < machinehum> "Low Layer"
2017-02-08T23:45:04 < machinehum> Which allow you to get closer to the metal
2017-02-08T23:45:15 < machinehum> I guess you either pick hal or ll\
2017-02-08T23:45:44 < Rickta59> yeah an olive branch for all of those HAL haters
2017-02-08T23:45:57 < machinehum> lol
2017-02-08T23:46:29 < machinehum> I figure I just use hal, whenever I want to get closer to the metal grab bits from inside the hal deps?
2017-02-08T23:46:39 < machinehum> Much like I did w/ std periph
2017-02-08T23:46:52 < Rickta59> why not keep using std periph?
2017-02-08T23:46:54 < englishman> isnt the ll stuff just for AHB stuff?
2017-02-08T23:46:58 < englishman> like usb/fsmc
2017-02-08T23:47:40 < machinehum> there's one for adc, crc, gpio
2017-02-08T23:47:46 < machinehum> Lots of em'
2017-02-08T23:49:06 < englishman> neat
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2017-02-08T23:50:03 < englishman> oh this must be new
2017-02-08T23:50:16 < englishman> theres a whole new entry in the .chm under modules
2017-02-08T23:50:42 < englishman> and looking at rcc, spi etc. it looks like stdperiphlib
2017-02-08T23:51:04 < Rickta59> for the stm32f1 it is very limited .. they seemed to have focused some effort on newer chips for more complete coverage
2017-02-08T23:51:16 < englishman> well, f1 is 10 years old this year
2017-02-08T23:51:22 < Rickta59> sure
2017-02-08T23:51:25 < englishman> and stdperiphlib still exists for it
2017-02-08T23:52:57 < machinehum> I'm not sure if I'm going to migrate to HAL for the lower level guys
2017-02-08T23:53:05 < machinehum> F0, F1, F4
2017-02-08T23:53:08 < machinehum> Maybe
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2017-02-09T02:10:43 < Rob235> nice, got an appt in an hour to get my old mbp repaired for free. they extended the free repair service for my specific problem
2017-02-09T02:12:59 < Rob235> discrete graphics died
2017-02-09T02:13:07 < Rob235> apparently a common problem for late 2011 models
2017-02-09T02:13:32 < Rob235> not sure exactly
2017-02-09T02:14:05 < Rob235> thats what i assume but cant say for sure
2017-02-09T02:15:26 < Rob235> only reason I'm not really sure is I just watched a video today of a guy fixing the problem and he completely replaced the gpu instead of just reballing/soldering the old one, would bga ball connection stress breakage require a new gpu?
2017-02-09T02:16:18 < englishman> dongs, pro squeegee bros called today
2017-02-09T02:16:26 < englishman> i moaned about their instructions
2017-02-09T02:16:35 < Rob235> he used a Zhuo Mao ZM-R6200c, really cool looking machine, never seen anything like it
2017-02-09T02:16:36 < englishman> and they were like "uh yea do 1 stroke at 45-50deg"
2017-02-09T02:17:19 < Rob235> heh yea true
2017-02-09T02:17:57 < Rob235> the video was over 90 minutes and I couldn't stop watching, it was a cool process to watch
2017-02-09T02:19:37 < Rob235> a thing of solder dropped on the power switch at the worst possible time, when he just got the suctiony thing to hold the new gpu, and the power went off and it dropped and he had to clean everything and restart
2017-02-09T02:20:01 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/xRwfJpNvWI0 if bored
2017-02-09T02:20:39 < Rob235> power went off the reflow/bga whatever its called station
2017-02-09T02:21:04 < Rob235> the zm-r6200c machine
2017-02-09T02:21:21 < Rob235> i like him, made watching a long video easy
2017-02-09T02:23:00 < Rob235> I even watched the life lesson video on his youtube homepage about being free, I like his outlook
2017-02-09T02:23:21 < Rob235> but anyway, gotta get moving, the closest apple store is 45 min away
2017-02-09T02:23:36 < Rob235> later peepz
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2017-02-09T03:50:17 < zyp> theirs no project
2017-02-09T03:54:27 < zyp> no, I'm just making shitty jokes about grammar
2017-02-09T03:58:15 < aadamson> anyone know, can you buy smt reel leader tape in the various widths?  and I must be using the wrong terms to search with google to find it
2017-02-09T03:58:17 < aadamson> what's it called?
2017-02-09T03:58:33 < dongs> aadamson: leader tape you mean, the top part?
2017-02-09T03:58:36 < dongs> or empty bottom part?
2017-02-09T03:58:40 < zyp> sounds like digi-reel
2017-02-09T03:58:48 < dongs> you don't buy that usually, you buy the clips/tapea that connects them
2017-02-09T03:59:00 < aadamson> dongs top part
2017-02-09T03:59:06 < dongs> and if you have a biz that requires making leader tape, you always have leftovers to make them
2017-02-09T03:59:43 < dongs> aadamson: i just take mine from prevous reel
2017-02-09T04:00:24 < aadamson> yeah... I guess I need to start doing that.  I have a bunch of Cut Tape, that I want to stick in my PNP machine, but I need more *top leader*.  Bottom I can plan for from the strip, etc
2017-02-09T04:01:07 < zyp> worst case, if it's some cheap passives, just throw out like $.5 worth of parts to make a leader :p
2017-02-09T04:01:12 < aadamson>  but I suppose I can come up with something
2017-02-09T04:01:15 < aadamson> yeah, exactly
2017-02-09T04:01:31 < aadamson> and I need to get in the habit of buying reels and or digireels
2017-02-09T04:01:50 < aadamson> old habits die hard, when trying to convert for some projects :)
2017-02-09T04:02:00 < aadamson> anyway... thanks for the ideas1
2017-02-09T04:02:02 < aadamson> !
2017-02-09T04:02:05 < zyp> which pnp do you have?
2017-02-09T04:02:14 < aadamson> smallsmt 2500
2017-02-09T04:02:29 < dongs> sounds like you and englishman are pals
2017-02-09T04:02:48 < aadamson> hehe... yah, he has the other one, but both tabletop pnp's
2017-02-09T04:02:56 < dongs> 32 Bit ARM build in controller system connected to PC by USB interface.
2017-02-09T04:03:15 < aadamson> yup, sounds about right :0
2017-02-09T04:03:46 < aadamson> big ass arm in my case, just replaced it with a new module, it was huge QFP part
2017-02-09T04:04:03 < dongs> replaced?
2017-02-09T04:04:12 < dongs> what are you doing, ghettoing it up wiht some openpnmp trash?
2017-02-09T04:04:15 < aadamson> yeah, some upgrade, they sent me a whole new module
2017-02-09T04:04:20 < dongs> o haha
2017-02-09T04:04:44 < aadamson> guess that was easier than *flashing* it, which who knows if it has a programming port somewhere on the larger board
2017-02-09T04:05:03 < aadamson> $6000 US and yeah, they work just fine.
2017-02-09T04:05:45 < aadamson> yeah
2017-02-09T04:06:24 < aadamson>  they made a couple of upgrade on mine to support that, but they have newer models know that do directly
2017-02-09T04:06:29 < aadamson> better cameras, etc
2017-02-09T04:06:41 < aadamson> better linear rails..
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2017-02-09T04:07:27 < zyp> for 6k I guess you'll break even after a couple thousand boards if you don't count the time you have to spend operating it
2017-02-09T04:08:39 < aadamson> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N19eu8SIImk
2017-02-09T04:08:51 < aadamson> that's the *better* version
2017-02-09T04:10:03 < zyp> doesn't look very fast
2017-02-09T04:10:20 < zyp> beats hand assembly for sure though :p
2017-02-09T04:10:39 < aadamson> they are completely adjustable for speed based upon any impact to accuracy
2017-02-09T04:11:01 < aadamson> he's not using both head either in that video it doesn't appear
2017-02-09T04:11:17 < aadamson> plus they have a new 4 nozzle exchanger thinkgy
2017-02-09T04:11:22 < aadamson> steppers
2017-02-09T04:11:26 < aadamson> you'll see them
2017-02-09T04:11:40 < zyp> cute feeding mechanism, guess it makes for pretty cheap feeders
2017-02-09T04:12:07 < aadamson> yeah, that is one disadvantage, they don't use *commercial feeders*
2017-02-09T04:12:19 < aadamson> I guess they are working on one that will
2017-02-09T04:12:22 < zyp> advantage when it comes to cost, surely?
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2017-02-09T04:21:03 < englishman> aadamson: pull tape extenders
2017-02-09T04:21:14 < englishman> I got boxes of 500 for like $3 or whatever
2017-02-09T04:21:24 < aadamson> englishman, where?
2017-02-09T04:21:25 < aadamson> ebay?
2017-02-09T04:21:32 < englishman> but they still need scotch tape. So just use used tape
2017-02-09T04:21:52 < englishman> I forgot actually
2017-02-09T04:21:58 < englishman> China direct
2017-02-09T04:22:42 < dongs> englishman: oh, is ther actual tape rolls like that?
2017-02-09T04:23:31 < englishman> I got them from u
2017-02-09T04:23:40 < englishman> they come in boxes
2017-02-09T04:23:49 < englishman> peel n stick tape extenders
2017-02-09T04:24:12 < englishman> but fall off so need scotch tape. So no benefit over used tape.
2017-02-09T04:24:35 < dongs> right, tape is pretty much requirement
2017-02-09T04:24:40 < dongs> i dont htink just one side is enough to make it stick
2017-02-09T04:24:49 < englishman> hey
2017-02-09T04:25:00 < englishman> have you ever dicknplaced lis3mdl
2017-02-09T04:25:06 < dongs> yes...?
2017-02-09T04:25:11 < englishman> so
2017-02-09T04:25:21 < dongs> its not any different than anything else
2017-02-09T04:25:22 < englishman> its 2x2mm on 12mm tape
2017-02-09T04:25:26 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-09T04:25:44 < englishman> it bounces around on tape when feeder actuates. In the 2cm between pick area and tape pull
2017-02-09T04:26:06 < englishman> then jams
2017-02-09T04:26:06 < dongs> you have that much opening until next part?
2017-02-09T04:26:21 < englishman> its like 3-4 parts at 4mm pitch so yes
2017-02-09T04:26:37 < dongs> pics
2017-02-09T04:26:41 < dongs> i think there might be a cover thing
2017-02-09T04:26:47 < dongs> or extended top lip thingf
2017-02-09T04:26:48 < englishman> great
2017-02-09T04:26:54 < dongs> for the feeder
2017-02-09T04:26:57 < englishman> I'll take pic tomorrow
2017-02-09T04:27:03 < englishman> Yamaha cl feeder
2017-02-09T04:27:05 < dongs> cuz yeah normally you should have no parts open except the one youre picking
2017-02-09T04:27:34 < englishman> hm maybe I threaded the feeder tape wrong this whole time!
2017-02-09T04:27:43 < dongs> can you not advance it that much and just adjust pick point to be higher?
2017-02-09T04:27:46 < dongs> or is that not configurable
2017-02-09T04:27:51 < englishman> not like they come with instructions
2017-02-09T04:28:04 < englishman> no adjustable pick height that I could see
2017-02-09T04:28:09 < dongs> not height
2017-02-09T04:28:10 < dongs> i meant like
2017-02-09T04:28:42 < dongs> how far into the hfeeder it picks up. you said you ahve more than one part open by the time its picking the edge-most one rihgt?
2017-02-09T04:28:52 < aadamson> englishman, doesn't your top tape, peel, *just before you extend the lower tape with the exposed part?
2017-02-09T04:29:00 < dongs> so why not pickup right at the edge where pulltape and plastic tape separate
2017-02-09T04:29:06 < aadamson> that's how it should work (to Dong's point of not exposing)
2017-02-09T04:29:13 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-09T04:29:31 < englishman> I dono I'll check it out tomorrow
2017-02-09T04:29:47 < englishman> oh
2017-02-09T04:29:55 < aadamson> you might have a couple of parts exposed, but nothing more, and the top should peel back just right before those exposed parts
2017-02-09T04:30:02 < englishman> where the pulltape threads now, further back, there's a metal cover
2017-02-09T04:30:12 < englishman> so can't pick these
2017-02-09T04:30:20 < englishman> and in front of that, the slider
2017-02-09T04:30:29 < zyp> how about a picture?
2017-02-09T04:30:41 < englishman> tomorrow. Not at office
2017-02-09T04:30:57 < englishman> picture tells 1000 chats
2017-02-09T04:31:43 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/kdbLuGw.jpg
2017-02-09T04:31:59 < aadamson> https://www.solidrop.net/photo-7/standard-yamaha-pneumatic-cl-feeder-8mm-4mm-for-smt-pick-and-place-machine-spare-parts.jpg
2017-02-09T04:32:58 < englishman> yeah 12mm is nearly the same
2017-02-09T04:33:47 < aadamson> hard to tell from that image, but I would expect that the clear tape peel way out at the exposed parts (*somehow*)
2017-02-09T04:35:43 < englishman> http://www.smtyamaha.com/UploadFiles/2013123185719968.pdf
2017-02-09T04:35:47 < englishman> looks like the one on the left
2017-02-09T04:36:14 < englishman> tape peels at the rear behind that fat tab that goes across
2017-02-09T04:37:20 < aadamson> ah, yeah the one on the right makes that obvious with the screws for adjustment for small parts
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2017-02-09T04:37:53 < aadamson> so that wide flat is the separator between peeled and unpeeled (below it)?
2017-02-09T04:38:15 < aadamson> and where does it pick?  what out towards the tip of that?
2017-02-09T04:38:30 < englishman> its still a poor pic, but yes, that part doesnt slide
2017-02-09T04:38:49 < englishman> looks like the left one is with the slider back, and the others are with the slider forwards
2017-02-09T04:39:02 < englishman> so the pic area is the gap right in front of the immobile metal part
2017-02-09T04:39:11 < englishman> slightly different on 12mm of course
2017-02-09T04:39:40 < aadamson> so with 0603's for example, you might have oh, 20 of them exposed (peeled)?
2017-02-09T04:39:53 < aadamson> nah, maybe 10-15
2017-02-09T04:40:17 < englishman> its 10-15 on 2mm pitch 0402, maybe less
2017-02-09T04:40:22 < dongs> god damn its fucking IMPOSSIBLE to fix traces in altidumb after you change clerance from liek 4 to 5 mil
2017-02-09T04:40:27 < dongs> they just dont fucking mov
2017-02-09T04:40:42 < zyp> haha
2017-02-09T04:41:02 < zyp> just redraw them with loop removal enabled?
2017-02-09T04:41:09 < dongs> you cant do that either
2017-02-09T04:41:11 < dongs> for 1mil difference
2017-02-09T04:41:14 < aadamson> it's a rounding error in windows display logic and they *really moved* :)... lol
2017-02-09T04:41:15 < dongs> it snaps to the fucking thing
2017-02-09T04:41:29 < zyp> turn off snap to shit?
2017-02-09T04:41:46 < englishman> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/lMoAAOSwo4pYOjPm/s-l1600.jpg
2017-02-09T04:41:47 < englishman> 12mm
2017-02-09T04:41:53 < zyp> there's a snap menu on the bottom right
2017-02-09T04:42:03 < englishman> you can see the pulltape slit in the rear
2017-02-09T04:42:11 < englishman> think i could just move it up front?
2017-02-09T04:42:36 < aadamson> be worth a try I suppose
2017-02-09T04:42:46 < aadamson> is there any tension adjustment of the lower tape to the guide?
2017-02-09T04:43:18 < englishman> no
2017-02-09T04:43:38 < englishman> the slide is tensioned down of course but the tape can still wiggle a bit
2017-02-09T04:43:55 < aadamson> yeah and you are trying to get parts from jumping around right?
2017-02-09T04:44:03 < dongs> motherucker loop removal still doesnt remove the shit
2017-02-09T04:44:04 < dongs> fucking aids
2017-02-09T04:45:03 < englishman> right
2017-02-09T04:45:16 < englishman> no problems with other parts except this lis3mdl
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2017-02-09T05:15:22 < Rob235> get to the apple store and the guy I spoke to didn't note that they would do it for free so I almost didn't get it done... but the woman at the counter spoke to someone and got it through.  nice free repair
2017-02-09T05:16:45 < Rob235> haha yes true but I could have payed even more
2017-02-09T05:18:11 < aandrew> dongs: excellent advice last night about the inductor
2017-02-09T05:18:32 < aandrew> 4.7uH = fail (1.58V ripple). 33uH -> 300mV ripple
2017-02-09T05:18:39 < aandrew> playing around a bit to see where the sweet spot is
2017-02-09T05:18:46 < aandrew> also all my nasty oscillations died with the bigger inductor
2017-02-09T05:19:16 < zyp> doesn't the datasheet for your switching chip say?
2017-02-09T05:19:36 < zyp> or are you doing something weird that doesn't involve an off the shelf switching chip?
2017-02-09T05:20:21 < dongs> no its stadandard dc/dc shit, but he failed to realize you dont do 200khz switching with 2.2uh inductor
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2017-02-09T05:20:47 < englishman> wow, and i thought he was pro
2017-02-09T05:20:56 < zyp> and datasheet doesn't say? :p
2017-02-09T05:21:02 < dongs> i just leveld up wiht autoneckdown rule in altidumb
2017-02-09T05:21:06 < englishman> lack of real ee degree is showing
2017-02-09T05:21:13 < dongs> made a room around bga, and traces become fatter/thinner as i route in/out of it
2017-02-09T05:21:19 < aandrew> zyp: I'm experimenting. I didn't update the BOM for the first protos
2017-02-09T05:21:25 < aandrew> and it's turning into an educational experience
2017-02-09T05:21:32 < aandrew> zyp: it's got webbench etc
2017-02-09T05:21:33 < englishman> that sounds like a handy rule
2017-02-09T05:21:33 < dongs> the magic query is WithinRoom()
2017-02-09T05:21:35 < zyp> bad excuse :p
2017-02-09T05:24:23 < aandrew> lol
2017-02-09T05:24:26 < aandrew> fuck off guys :-)
2017-02-09T05:25:10 < aandrew> I've done a bunch, but this is the first I'm screwing with
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2017-02-09T05:32:09 < aandrew> 47uH there is no appreciable ripple at all, and my switch waveform is completely square, and switch speed jumps up to 1.8MHz
2017-02-09T05:32:42 < aandrew> 4.7uH is at 380kHz, 10uH is 470kHz, 33uH is 380kHz (?) and 47uH is 1.8MHz
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2017-02-09T05:35:56 < englishman> R2COM: please present your pro EE credentials to chanops to be verified as pro irc ee
2017-02-09T05:38:12 < dongs> current pro job: running $CY into the ground
2017-02-09T05:38:16 < dongs> amirite y/y/y
2017-02-09T05:39:10 < dongs> do you think there's an atmega inside this CODE87
2017-02-09T05:39:31 < aandrew> R2COM: what's the correct way of measuring ripple?
2017-02-09T05:42:43 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edel3eduRj4 the only authoritative resource on EE on the internet
2017-02-09T05:43:56 < dongs> can someone (not me) actually view that video
2017-02-09T05:44:05 < dongs> and see if in 2014 eevbeg was creating actual pro EE content
2017-02-09T05:44:07 < dongs> and not just begging
2017-02-09T05:44:43 < dongs> http://www.richtek.com/en/Design%20Support/~/media/DT_PDF/Ripple_measurement_tips.pdf these guys are pretty pro
2017-02-09T05:44:51 < dongs> particularly that small scope clip part
2017-02-09T05:44:58 < dongs> where you dont collect all the ripple in teh fucking gnd clip
2017-02-09T05:46:20 < englishman> that looks like a job for oscilloscope tweezers
2017-02-09T05:46:23 < englishman> do those exist
2017-02-09T06:02:30 < dongs> those clip things are shipped with probes.
2017-02-09T06:02:32 < dongs> my tek has them
2017-02-09T06:03:57 < dongs> hm code is softer than my filco
2017-02-09T06:04:05 < dongs> even tho supposedly same brown mx shit.
2017-02-09T06:04:16 < dongs> i guess tectu doesnt get fired yet
2017-02-09T06:08:12 < englishman> no numpad
2017-02-09T06:09:22 < dongs> didnt have one on my filco either
2017-02-09T06:15:20 < englishman> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-octave/2017-02/msg00062.html
2017-02-09T06:15:52 < dongs> i bind layer +/- from numpad to side buttons on my logitech gaming mouse
2017-02-09T06:15:56 < dongs> so i  have no other use for numpad
2017-02-09T06:16:30 < dongs> haha, gnu doesnt pay
2017-02-09T06:26:41 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/493608538/love-the-worlds-first-intelligent-turntable what the FUCK is this. 
2017-02-09T06:26:45 < dongs> check out thier fucking prototype https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/350/198/8947a62de8501bd58a6096df720424bb_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1485886943&auto=format&q=92&s=e2c2d21419b6513784382f8af0fb933d
2017-02-09T06:26:51 < dongs> a RC lipo battery and turdigy motor + esc
2017-02-09T06:26:52 < dongs> LOL
2017-02-09T06:28:04 < dongs> yes
2017-02-09T06:28:10 < dongs> and will receive at least double that
2017-02-09T06:28:15 < dongs> they still got a month to go
2017-02-09T06:28:19 < dongs> i donno, looks dodgy
2017-02-09T06:29:29 < Rob235> any decent starter rework/hot air stations as a starter station that would allow me to do bga but isn't too expensive?
2017-02-09T06:30:06 < dongs> 'do' BGA?
2017-02-09T06:30:08 < dongs> in waht sense
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2017-02-09T06:30:09 < Rob235> well some are designed for bga like the ZM-R6200c
2017-02-09T06:30:13 < Rob235> but thats not what i want
2017-02-09T06:30:27 < Rob235> just something I can solder bga with
2017-02-09T06:30:47 < dongs> you can "solder" bga wiht any hot air
2017-02-09T06:30:51 < Rob235> just be able to solder smd stuff that includes bga stuff, hopefully 0.8 and bigger
2017-02-09T06:31:02 < dongs> whether it will "work" or not is another story
2017-02-09T06:31:28 < Rob235> hmm ok
2017-02-09T06:31:46 < Rob235> i'll have to look those up, those wouldn't allow double sided stuff though right?
2017-02-09T06:31:51 < Rob235> and it would heat up the entire board?
2017-02-09T06:31:59 < dongs> what the fuck do you mean "allow"?
2017-02-09T06:32:04 < dongs> you point hot air on bga
2017-02-09T06:32:06 < dongs> and hope it works.
2017-02-09T06:32:19 < Rob235> allow just means something that will work (or should work)
2017-02-09T06:32:31 < Rob235> so yea any hot air station i guess
2017-02-09T06:33:45 < Rob235> I see
2017-02-09T06:34:23 < Rob235> so reflow oven plus hot air for touchups
2017-02-09T06:35:38 < Rob235> so much shit needed, wish I had tools like a cnc router or anything to cut out pcbs
2017-02-09T06:36:51 < Rob235> yea I don't see it being that hard, I've looked at 3d printer kits, would be nice to make a two-in-one
2017-02-09T06:37:06 < Rob235> I see
2017-02-09T06:37:42 < Rob235> yea
2017-02-09T06:38:31 < Rob235> guessing curves are out of the question though
2017-02-09T06:38:41 < Rob235> not a big deal
2017-02-09T06:40:09 < Rob235> yea, assembly is more what I want, etching isn't really that interesting to me, just sounds like a hassle
2017-02-09T06:40:30 < dongs> Rob235: are you engaging in autism
2017-02-09T06:40:46 < Rob235> its LeelooMinai and not ohsix if that helps
2017-02-09T06:40:54 < dongs> yeah im actually surprised
2017-02-09T06:41:04 < dongs> so youre engaging in m2f'ism
2017-02-09T06:41:09 < dongs> speaking of that
2017-02-09T06:41:22 < dongs> on teh flight back
2017-02-09T06:41:28 < dongs> the dude in front of me turned on live CNN
2017-02-09T06:41:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/vDLorX0.jpg
2017-02-09T06:41:41 < dongs> and I lol'd
2017-02-09T06:42:03 < Rob235> whered you go
2017-02-09T06:42:39 < dongs> visit trump
2017-02-09T06:42:53 < Rob235> what state?
2017-02-09T06:42:57 < englishman> lol CNN is such a high quality and defensible news agency
2017-02-09T06:43:08 < dongs> it is. but so is the dude on tv
2017-02-09T06:43:23 < dongs> incase you didnt know, the shit on TV is "brianna" wu
2017-02-09T06:43:27 < Rob235> theres a lot worse than cnn
2017-02-09T06:43:33 < dongs> talking about twitter/online abuse
2017-02-09T06:43:45 < dongs> R2COM: gamergate M2F
2017-02-09T06:43:50 < dongs> who's running for some political role now
2017-02-09T06:44:07 < dongs> to prevent ONLINE ABOOSE
2017-02-09T06:44:44 < dongs> nobody wants a dick
2017-02-09T06:44:48 < dongs> i've never seen a F2M on irc
2017-02-09T06:45:36 < dongs> http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/21/14041542/brianna-wu-congress-campaign-gamergate-harassment
2017-02-09T06:45:40 < dongs> l;ol
2017-02-09T06:45:40 < Rob235> ive gotten used to dongs autism, r2com can suck a dick though
2017-02-09T06:47:05 < dongs> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Brianna_Wu and here's the trufax about brian wu
2017-02-09T06:47:45 < Rob235> I don't want to sit here and talk shit about people, its done enough. trying to keep a positive outlook on life
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2017-02-09T06:48:53 < Rob235> haha
2017-02-09T06:49:01 < dongs> now now
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2017-02-09T06:49:08 < dongs> R2COM: you've just described LeelooMinai 
2017-02-09T06:49:08 < Rob235> its cool, I just don't want to add to it
2017-02-09T06:49:16 < dongs> Rob235 is a bit higher up than that
2017-02-09T06:49:40 < dongs>  he does have autistic moments but he did at least get soemthing to work
2017-02-09T06:49:48 < dongs> unlike all the other pros in here
2017-02-09T06:50:00 < Rob235> speaking of, I miss working on it
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2017-02-09T06:50:38 < dongs> what'd you do, total it?
2017-02-09T06:51:08 < Rob235> nah, just trying to get other life shit taken care of and I don't want to get sucked back in just yet
2017-02-09T06:52:20 < Rob235> but now that spring is coming I should rework my pid controller so that I can get some good flights in
2017-02-09T06:52:30 < dongs> oh what teu fkc
2017-02-09T06:58:33 < aandrew> https://i.reddituploads.com/afc0fdcbfa4448f6bc05d7a959509622?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=0b79e295bd5627a7cafcff2e1341a5c3
2017-02-09T06:59:23 < Rob235> there has to be something wrong with him
2017-02-09T06:59:31 < Rob235> something like this decent? any recommendations? https://www.amazon.com/Aoyue-852A-Digital-Rework-Station/dp/B000HDDXY0
2017-02-09T07:00:01 < Rob235> r2
2017-02-09T07:00:31 < dongs> err
2017-02-09T07:00:43 < dongs> cant you get a solder station from SRA jews for same price
2017-02-09T07:00:47 < dongs> which includes hot air and all other shit
2017-02-09T07:01:00 < Rob235> no idea, I just did a quick google, no research put in yet
2017-02-09T07:01:16 < Rob235> its not a solder station
2017-02-09T07:01:18 < dongs> http://www.sra-solder.com/soldering-equipment/smd-rework-stations
2017-02-09T07:01:19 < kakimir> 15.5hours works day
2017-02-09T07:01:38 < Rob235> oh, are they called solder stations as well?
2017-02-09T07:01:53 < dongs> i'd guess: frozen
2017-02-09T07:02:39 < aandrew> A newly graduated doctor is assigned to a rural area, and after a few days he realizes that there were no women in the village, they were all men. After taking a bit of confidence he asks one of his patients that they did when they had the need for sex and the patient replied: That they went down to the river.
2017-02-09T07:02:44 < aandrew> The weekend came and the doctor went to the river, and there was a huge line of men standing on the shore of the river. Being so well-known in the village, the locals gave him their position on the line, until he reaches the top of the line. 
2017-02-09T07:02:48 < aandrew> Looking ahead the doctor realizes that there is a donkey, he thinks: Wow, have sex with an animal? Poor people. And I cannot deny me now that they have so graciously ceded their positions.
2017-02-09T07:02:52 < aandrew> Within fifteen minutes of having sex with the donkey, while all the men in the row watched, as he kissed her and bit her ears, one of them walks up to him and secretly ask him: Doctor, how long till you finish? We need the donkey to cross the river, there is a village with women there.
2017-02-09T07:03:36 < Rob235> is aoyue really a good choice? I was just guessing
2017-02-09T07:03:51 < Rob235> seems to be pretty popular
2017-02-09T07:03:59 < dongs> aandrew: LeelooMinai life story rigth there
2017-02-09T07:04:07 < dongs> amirite y/y/
2017-02-09T07:04:42 < kakimir> aandrew: :[]
2017-02-09T07:06:48 < kakimir> sometimes I wonder if I wanted to be a canadian instead and if there is any difference
2017-02-09T07:07:54 < kakimir> in canada and in finland hockey is like top1 sports
2017-02-09T07:08:38 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-09T07:08:43 < dongs> this nucleo lacks tarduino socket
2017-02-09T07:09:21 < dongs> oh no it doesnt
2017-02-09T07:09:22 < kakimir> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Popularsports.PNG
2017-02-09T07:09:26 < dongs> its shifted  off to the side or something
2017-02-09T07:09:27 < dongs> wtf
2017-02-09T07:10:13 < ReadError> Rob235: dont
2017-02-09T07:10:15 < ReadError> 858d
2017-02-09T07:10:20 < ReadError> 50$ hotair
2017-02-09T07:10:30 < ReadError> then at minimum get a hacko 888d
2017-02-09T07:10:32 < Rob235> http://www.sra-solder.com/aoyue-866-all-in-1-digital-hot-air-rework-station-with-pre-heater
2017-02-09T07:10:40 < Rob235> thats the one I was just looking at
2017-02-09T07:10:43 < ReadError> aoyue = garbago
2017-02-09T07:10:55 < kakimir> soccer is just stupid nowdays
2017-02-09T07:10:57 < Rob235> I already have the 888d
2017-02-09T07:11:05 < ReadError> then get the 858d
2017-02-09T07:11:11 < ReadError> and call it dones
2017-02-09T07:11:36 < Rob235> not worth paying for the preheater?
2017-02-09T07:12:03 < Rob235> the bed/holder looks decent
2017-02-09T07:12:07 < Rob235> helpful at least
2017-02-09T07:12:32 < PeterM> preheaters are great if youhave the room and you do a lot of rework
2017-02-09T07:12:58 < Rob235> I don't, maybe I should look into the size though
2017-02-09T07:13:22 < ReadError> Rob235: you dont need a preheater
2017-02-09T07:13:38 < Rob235> the holder looks helpful I meant, hands free
2017-02-09T07:13:41 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/YOUYUE-Rework-Station-Soldering-Digital/dp/B00P8Z4RPG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486617211&sr=8-1&keywords=858d
2017-02-09T07:13:45 < ReadError> there ya go 
2017-02-09T07:13:50 < ReadError> 43$ shipped
2017-02-09T07:13:54 < ReadError> real workhorse 
2017-02-09T07:13:57 < Rob235> but I guess I dont need more than 2 things held at once
2017-02-09T07:14:27 < ReadError> wrong LeelooMinai 
2017-02-09T07:14:35 < ReadError> its far better
2017-02-09T07:14:41 < ReadError> not as cumbersome 
2017-02-09T07:14:52 < Rob235> I would like one with a vacuum
2017-02-09T07:14:52 < ReadError> fuck that fat thick hose
2017-02-09T07:15:06 < PeterM> need, no, but if you do a lot of rework, especially on large board it is like magic - its as iff your hot air can instantly melt sodler anywhere
2017-02-09T07:15:06 < ReadError> yes, wire = light, flexy
2017-02-09T07:15:26 < ReadError> LeelooMinai: ok, how?
2017-02-09T07:16:09 < ReadError> I tossed out my aoyue 868dluxpro
2017-02-09T07:16:17 < ReadError> in favor of the 858d
2017-02-09T07:16:30 < ReadError> it had the vacuum (garbage), pump in unit
2017-02-09T07:16:41 < ReadError> thing was noisy
2017-02-09T07:16:57 < ReadError> didnt have auto turnoff
2017-02-09T07:18:31 < Rob235> hmm, decisions decisions
2017-02-09T07:18:43 < ReadError> you DONT want a vacuum in one
2017-02-09T07:18:55 < ReadError> you can get a stupid aquarium pump and syringe 
2017-02-09T07:19:03 < ReadError> if you really wanted such a thing
2017-02-09T07:19:39 < ReadError> then atleast you can place stuff w/o the noisy thing running 
2017-02-09T07:19:40 < PeterM> if you're referring to paste dispensers ive used one with a tarduinoi and a stepper and it works pretty well
2017-02-09T07:19:56 < ReadError> PeterM: he means like the suction shit that comes on some
2017-02-09T07:20:15 < PeterM> ahh, get a seperate tool for that
2017-02-09T07:20:25 < PeterM> but for pastye dispensing i suggest http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1119914 
2017-02-09T07:21:14 < dongs> never seen a working paste dispender
2017-02-09T07:21:22 < dongs> stencil or fuck off
2017-02-09T07:21:44 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/Aoyue-968A-Digital-Rework-Station/dp/B006FA481G
2017-02-09T07:21:48 < ReadError> thats the one I had
2017-02-09T07:21:52 < ReadError> piece of junk
2017-02-09T07:21:53 < PeterM> that opne works shitloads better than the pnumatic ones, again, for rework, if assy only, sencil 10/10
2017-02-09T07:22:46 < ReadError> no, I didnt
2017-02-09T07:23:06 < PeterM> fuck it while oyu're at it, if you dont have good ventilation in your tiny space, get one of these, hakko fume extractor fa-430 they're pretty decenmt, biut pricy thoiuygh
2017-02-09T07:24:59 < Rob235> wtf why is the fa-430 $560
2017-02-09T07:25:48 < PeterM> yeah...
2017-02-09T07:26:50 < Rob235> thanks for the help everyone, I'm done researching for now, gettin ready for bed
2017-02-09T07:27:13 < ReadError> dont make the wrong choice!
2017-02-09T07:27:27 < Rob235> I'm sure we will be talking about it again tomorrow :)
2017-02-09T07:27:37 < ReadError> no need, I told you the right answer already
2017-02-09T07:27:41 < ReadError> consider it done
2017-02-09T07:27:55 < ReadError> Im sure my soldering credentials are highly above most here
2017-02-09T07:28:02 < Rob235> haha you guys make it more difficult, everything is one extreme or the other
2017-02-09T07:28:13 < Rob235> your suggestion was the 858 right?
2017-02-09T07:28:16 < ReadError> foxconn certified 
2017-02-09T07:28:17 < ReadError> yes
2017-02-09T07:28:24 < ReadError> if you need an iron
2017-02-09T07:28:30 < ReadError> get a used metcal or thermaldonics
2017-02-09T07:28:35 < Rob235> i have the 888d
2017-02-09T07:28:38 < ReadError> powercombo
2017-02-09T07:29:08 < upgrdman> neat, theres even 4k30 webcams now   http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/brio
2017-02-09T07:29:20 < upgrdman> also does 1080p60 and 720p90
2017-02-09T07:29:28 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/MyjYZLW.jpg
2017-02-09T07:30:13 < ReadError> well its not shorted and works
2017-02-09T07:30:42 < ReadError> in terms of volume 
2017-02-09T07:30:42 < Rob235> 4k chaturbate camming
2017-02-09T07:30:45 < ReadError> im up there
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2017-02-09T07:34:22 < Rob235> wait, is there a 858d?
2017-02-09T07:34:46 < ReadError> i pasted it to u fool
2017-02-09T07:34:50 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/Aoyue-968A-Digital-Rework-Station/dp/B006FA481G
2017-02-09T07:34:52 < ReadError> err
2017-02-09T07:34:58 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/YOUYUE-Rework-Station-Soldering-Digital/dp/B00P8Z4RPG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486617211&sr=8-1&keywords=858d
2017-02-09T07:35:35 < Rob235> oh I was thinking it was hakko
2017-02-09T07:35:40 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ironically, logitech's youtube video for that 4k webcam was uploaded in 1080
2017-02-09T07:36:17 < dongs> upgrdman: how long until your silver button
2017-02-09T07:36:37 < Rob235> alright, goodnight everyone
2017-02-09T07:37:18 < upgrdman> dongs, im neat 4k subs, gaining 400ish per month. so a long time. 240 months if i stay the course :)
2017-02-09T07:37:23 < upgrdman> s/neat/at
2017-02-09T07:38:32 < upgrdman> i should start pumping out more half-assed arduino vids
2017-02-09T07:38:48 < upgrdman> "how to plug jumper wires into arduino uno" etc
2017-02-09T07:39:38 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ?
2017-02-09T07:39:54 < upgrdman> not at all
2017-02-09T07:40:05 < upgrdman> that's the problem. i put too much effort into the vids.
2017-02-09T07:40:16 < upgrdman> making less than min wage if i do the math
2017-02-09T07:40:37 < dongs> sounds liek a typical youtuber life
2017-02-09T07:41:08 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, well im kinda hoping to slowly build up a mass of content that will make it worth my time to spend a day a month of vids
2017-02-09T07:41:47 < upgrdman> but its hard to have the motivation for that when i make legit money as an EE pro troll
2017-02-09T07:42:06 < upgrdman> so im just doing videos of random shit i would have done anyway, for the most part
2017-02-09T07:43:39 < upgrdman> maybe i should do some seemingly (but not) dangerous xray shit, and try to get front page of reddit, to get more exposure. 
2017-02-09T07:43:55 < upgrdman> "DIY Mammography" or someshit. lol.
2017-02-09T07:44:04 < dongs> DIY XRAY DICKPICS
2017-02-09T07:44:09 < upgrdman> indeed
2017-02-09T07:44:09 < dongs> that sounds like a perfect way to get pro subs
2017-02-09T07:45:56 < upgrdman> ya i has no hydr press
2017-02-09T07:47:09 < upgrdman> so i unboxed some shit Vizio 55" 4k tv at work today
2017-02-09T07:47:18 < upgrdman> those faggots put a big ass sticker on the panel
2017-02-09T07:47:30 < upgrdman> with low tack adhesive, but still
2017-02-09T07:47:57 < upgrdman> "how to setup your visio tv with an android or iDevice"
2017-02-09T07:48:10 < upgrdman> there was no adhesive residue. but still, wtf.
2017-02-09T07:48:35 < upgrdman> also, kinda surprised the static discharge of ripping a 300x300mm sticker off a panel was not a problem
2017-02-09T07:48:46 < upgrdman> i could hear the static crackle sound
2017-02-09T07:48:50 < upgrdman> but panel is fine
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2017-02-09T07:58:15 < PeterM> you could have used it to takr an xray dick pic
2017-02-09T07:58:22 < PeterM> tyhat ,much static does that
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2017-02-09T08:01:08 < upgrdman> mhmm
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2017-02-09T08:04:26 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/9vf9m
2017-02-09T08:04:27 < dongs> ewww
2017-02-09T08:04:33 < dongs> just generic holtek trash
2017-02-09T08:04:36 < dongs> so not pro
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2017-02-09T08:25:25 < upgrdman> ive seen holtek is lots of cheap shit. is it some 8051? arm? mips?
2017-02-09T08:31:52 < PeterM> holtek manke a whole bnuch of rando app specific shit and some cm0/3
2017-02-09T08:32:18 < upgrdman> k
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2017-02-09T08:44:24 < ohsix> lul
2017-02-09T08:44:35 < ohsix> dude i was helping gave me a new in box dc power supply thingy today
2017-02-09T08:44:45 < ohsix> https://www.amazon.com/Tekpower-TP3005T-Variable-Linear-Supply/dp/B00ZBCLJSY
2017-02-09T08:44:53 < ohsix> bit far down the list, handy to have early
2017-02-09T08:45:25 < ReadError> ohsix: last week tonight starting back up
2017-02-09T08:45:38 < ohsix> ya
2017-02-09T08:45:48 < ohsix> tvshow time has me in the loop, working pretty good
2017-02-09T08:46:25 < ohsix> i got ebay loot too
2017-02-09T08:46:34 < ReadError> whats that
2017-02-09T08:46:43 < ohsix> the wooden figure pose things i ordered and the midi cable
2017-02-09T08:46:45 < ohsix> an android app
2017-02-09T08:47:42 < ohsix> going to fix up a nodemcu that was shorted and fucked up from hobbyguy tomorrow, was kind of lame; he ordered one but it was a dud
2017-02-09T08:47:57 < ohsix> and make midi->trs cables so i can finally do midi garbage
2017-02-09T08:48:14 < ohsix> was helping with a class using them
2017-02-09T08:48:46 < ohsix> almost all of them had ch341 adapters on them, they wouldn't work on the macs, and windows 7 and shit had trouble with them too, there was a dude on xp still too olol
2017-02-09T08:49:08 < ohsix> and some malware, he's a mechanic so i can probably fix his computer and get some car fixage in trade
2017-02-09T08:49:29 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah mostly maskrom-based tarsh for 8051
2017-02-09T08:49:31 < ohsix> but holy shit the entire lesson was a wash cuz we were fucking with drivers and shit the whole time, it sucked, and i didn't eat enough
2017-02-09T08:53:22 < ohsix> i don't have anything to load this thing up
2017-02-09T08:53:28 < ohsix> except some magnet wire
2017-02-09T08:54:57 < ohsix> i'm acclimated to the tools at the shop, thinking of specific screwdriver and sidecutters when i need them D:
2017-02-09T08:56:27 < ohsix> ReadError: did you hear about heavy metal shit in vapist gear
2017-02-09T08:56:31 < ohsix> cadmium and friends
2017-02-09T08:56:42 < ReadError> in the juice or atomizers?
2017-02-09T08:56:51 < ohsix> atomizers
2017-02-09T08:56:53 < dongs> autism
2017-02-09T08:57:32 < ohsix> the juice too, probably, but that wasn't wat the thing i read was looking at alone
2017-02-09T08:58:00 < ohsix> doesn't matter where it comes from if you're just checking harmfulness of the shit that goes in your lunsg, but it is likely to be finish pieces and the coil and shit
2017-02-09T08:59:46 < ReadError> where did you see this?
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2017-02-09T09:05:08 < ohsix> fda report i think
2017-02-09T09:05:33 < ohsix> fda cadmium -> news
2017-02-09T09:15:32 < ReadError> "The Asspounder: Never stop pumping"
2017-02-09T09:16:46 < upgrdman> lol'd irl    https://www.scribd.com/doc/228831637/Optimal-Tip-to-Tip-Efficiency
2017-02-09T09:17:23 < upgrdman> i wonder if Laurenceb wrote that paper
2017-02-09T09:19:02 < aandrew> I think it's time to buy a real dc load
2017-02-09T09:19:18 < aandrew> this reload pro is not behaving and I'm tired of spending time trying to figure it out rather than making money 
2017-02-09T09:19:23 < upgrdman> dc load huh? just unspool some magnet wire into a bucket of water.
2017-02-09T09:19:47 < aandrew> where do I connect the serial port to vary the load on a pattern?
2017-02-09T09:19:55 < aandrew> lol
2017-02-09T09:20:00 < aandrew> try again
2017-02-09T09:20:14 < aandrew> anyway, 2:30. bedtime
2017-02-09T09:20:17 < ohsix> wuh this power supply is pretty badass for the 80bux it sells for
2017-02-09T09:20:36 < ohsix> ReadError: you see chuck tingle stuff on twitter? he's slowed down but he's pretty funny
2017-02-09T09:20:41 < ohsix> and has wrote some crazy shit
2017-02-09T09:22:01 < ReadError> nah
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2017-02-09T09:23:21 < ohsix> lul this thing really does seem to have 10mv accuracy
2017-02-09T09:23:32 < ohsix> need better meter to see
2017-02-09T09:23:34 < dongs> The program has to run on a arduino uno wifi and needs to do post/get http requests and output a beep sound. I would like to hire you for 4-8h and work over teamview so i can learn a bit while you work. I wont pester you with questions while working but ask some at the end. Would that be agreeable to you?
2017-02-09T09:24:05 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Drone-Collision-Avoidance-System-using/ found lily dickstarter
2017-02-09T09:27:22 < dongs> attn Laurenceb https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/pcb-layout/
2017-02-09T09:30:03 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/software-development/would-like-hire-PCB-Layout-13023621/ job 4 kikemir
2017-02-09T09:34:17 < ohsix> need to keep this at the lab, nothing here to do shit
2017-02-09T09:38:36 < dongs> why would you even ask a question about this kidna shit
2017-02-09T09:38:41 < dongs> its a chinese RC esc
2017-02-09T09:38:50 < dongs> they dont know
2017-02-09T09:38:51 < dongs> they just sell it
2017-02-09T09:38:53 < dongs> of course notr
2017-02-09T09:38:57 < dongs> its a retarded question
2017-02-09T09:39:14 < dongs> the 'A' value is just rough sum of current rating of the nfets on that thing
2017-02-09T09:39:18 < dongs> thats it
2017-02-09T09:39:24 < dongs> but nobody knows, not evne manufacturer
2017-02-09T09:39:34 < dongs> so you fucking buy one and characterize it
2017-02-09T09:39:37 < dongs> you fucking nigger
2017-02-09T09:39:40 < dongs> if you need to know the actual value
2017-02-09T09:39:44 < dongs> THEY DONT KNOW
2017-02-09T09:39:47 < dongs> and they have no way to tes
2017-02-09T09:39:48 < dongs> t
2017-02-09T09:39:57 < dongs> but if you need to know this info, then you should have a way to est it.
2017-02-09T09:40:38 < dongs> not to care whether it does 320A ort not
2017-02-09T09:44:58 < dongs> lul
2017-02-09T09:45:03 < dongs> circuitmaker added a right click menu
2017-02-09T09:45:06 < dongs> under proejcts
2017-02-09T09:45:10 < dongs> 'construct an arduino board'
2017-02-09T09:45:10 < dongs> lol
2017-02-09T09:45:18 < dongs> i guess it loads a fucking tarduino shield template
2017-02-09T09:45:31 < dongs> why does altidumb even waste time wiht such shit
2017-02-09T09:45:52 < dongs> i guess now that eagle is dead they just need to focus on making base altium affordable for normal users
2017-02-09T09:45:58 < dongs> but circuitbreaker isnt it
2017-02-09T09:46:19 < dongs> lol.
2017-02-09T09:46:20 < dongs> yeah ok
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2017-02-09T09:59:38 < PeterM> aandrew http://www.itech.sh/en/product/ac_electronic_load/IT8615.htm buy this and never buy anothe load
2017-02-09T10:03:42 < ReadError> ReadError here, offering free loads to qualified applicants 
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2017-02-09T10:19:48 < dongs> what the hell emmc sucks
2017-02-09T10:20:14 < dongs> 0.5mm pitch and with so fucking many balls they managed to put the USED ones on fucking inner pages
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2017-02-09T10:35:12 < dongs> https://i.reddituploads.com/bdc27a1f86ea41cf8cfd9c536c74a497?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=8ca5fd9a49ea2272aa4b424425858d22
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2017-02-09T10:43:28 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-09T10:43:34 < ohsix> what do you think tim cook was doing with all those billions
2017-02-09T10:43:35 < dongs> < englishman> Fire breaks out at Chinese factory that makes Samsung Note 7 batteries
2017-02-09T10:43:38 < dongs> 16 hours ago
2017-02-09T10:43:39 < ohsix> samsung couldn't do anything wrong
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2017-02-09T10:47:27 < dongs> attn R2COM http://www.salon.com/2017/02/04/hawaii-bill-would-legalize-prostitution-industry/
2017-02-09T10:53:46 < dongs> R2COM: the main picture is M2F, lol
2017-02-09T10:54:04 < dongs> > Tracy Ryan, a transgender activist, talks about why she's pushing a bill to legalize prostitution on Friday, Feb. 3, 2017
2017-02-09T10:54:41 < dongs> crt: < dongs> attn R2COM http://www.salon.com/2017/02/04/hawaii-bill-would-legalize-prostitution-industry/
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2017-02-09T11:05:20 < dongs> snort
2017-02-09T11:05:29 < dongs> is mantoominai asking you otu for a date?
2017-02-09T11:05:54 < ohsix> what on earth does intel get from fucking with the orange
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2017-02-09T11:16:29 < ReadError> i need a cool server namegen
2017-02-09T11:16:35 < ReadError> need to make like 20 names
2017-02-09T11:16:50 < ohsix> get a thesaurus or do wordnet
2017-02-09T11:16:57 < ohsix> then find a theme
2017-02-09T11:16:59 < ReadError> I just wanna smash random
2017-02-09T11:17:09 < ohsix> my drives are all named turgid/obese/stolid/etc
2017-02-09T11:17:30 < ohsix> can't have cool names if you smash random
2017-02-09T11:17:46 < ohsix> make them all german names, do the mexican wedding cookies thing
2017-02-09T11:18:17 < ReadError> I got a handfull of domains I need to put in circulation too
2017-02-09T11:18:24 < ReadError> need to get salt setup again
2017-02-09T11:18:50 < ohsix> The lyrics, however, are nothing but a recipe for a dessert called "The Balls (Eggs) of Satan." Throughout the speech Maynard is heard saying the phrase, "Und kine Eier." Which means " And no eggs."
2017-02-09T11:19:20 < ReadError> ill name them after rapers
2017-02-09T11:19:34 < ohsix> i can't give you great ideas all night
2017-02-09T11:20:12 < ReadError> oh I can figure out who is worthy of getting a 7$ vps
2017-02-09T11:20:17 < ReadError> truss me
2017-02-09T11:20:36 < ohsix> how about i buttress you instead
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2017-02-09T11:21:09 < ohsix> oh man buttress/truss has some great friends in a thesaurus
2017-02-09T11:21:21 < ReadError> i have no idea what either of those are
2017-02-09T11:21:30 < ohsix> shoulder, uphold, temper, toughen, spine, spirit
2017-02-09T11:21:31 < ohsix> eh
2017-02-09T11:21:36 < ohsix> lul
2017-02-09T11:21:55 < ohsix> industrial buttress is one of the best rocket arena stages
2017-02-09T11:23:05 < ohsix> http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/393299547832475363/2AAD37DAA4E382FE9BC48CFB25735220905B8BF0/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside%7C637:358&composite-to%3D*%2C*%7C637%3A358&background-color=black
2017-02-09T11:23:19 < ohsix> do you know what a flying buttress is
2017-02-09T11:23:39 < ohsix> google that shit, you know what it is
2017-02-09T11:24:03 < ohsix> these images are making me uncomfortable, due to dark souls
2017-02-09T11:24:31 < ohsix> thsoe bastards with the dragon arrows a bit into anor londo
2017-02-09T11:25:28 < ReadError> better get your fill of buttstuff in now
2017-02-09T11:25:35 < ReadError> Sessions will ban it all soon
2017-02-09T11:26:15 < ohsix> talking to leeloo?
2017-02-09T11:27:14 < ReadError> anyone.
2017-02-09T11:27:42 < ohsix> heh
2017-02-09T11:27:51 < ReadError> just wait
2017-02-09T11:27:51 < ohsix> that's kind of so far off the radar of concerns for that dude
2017-02-09T11:27:55 < ohsix> think basic civil liberties
2017-02-09T11:28:00 < ReadError> uhh
2017-02-09T11:28:13 < ReadError> these days, one cant assume anything
2017-02-09T11:28:35 < ohsix> heh
2017-02-09T11:29:01 < ohsix> have you seen what the administration is doing with judges so far
2017-02-09T11:29:13 < ohsix> shit is only temporary
2017-02-09T11:29:36 < ohsix> you also have to rely on peoples capacity to do horrible things because they're told to
2017-02-09T11:30:35 < ReadError> As Sessions learned that some members of the Klan had smoked marijuana on the evening of the slaying, he said aloud that he thought the KKK was: "OK until I found out they smoked pot."
2017-02-09T11:30:51 < ReadError> bae e.warren brought that up yesterday
2017-02-09T11:30:52 < ReadError> lol'd
2017-02-09T11:31:50 < ohsix> one great thing about being such a boob is that your capacity for basic fumbling is unlimited
2017-02-09T11:33:18 < ohsix> huhu neat there's a cutout for the power cord in the foam for this thing
2017-02-09T11:33:31 < ohsix> they can plug it in and test it when it is basically in the box
2017-02-09T11:35:13 < ohsix> fan in this thing is directly tied to current consumption, instead of fet temp like in other ones i've used
2017-02-09T11:40:39 < ohsix> eh hrm ebay stuff in flight is getting low
2017-02-09T11:40:41 < ohsix> need more crap
2017-02-09T11:43:45 < ohsix> oooh http://www.ebay.com/itm/3PCS-New-4x10mm-DC-3-7V-6V-86000RPM-Ultrahigh-High-Speed-Micro-Coreless-DC-Motor-/262718824245?hash=item3d2b431f35:g:A34AAOSwal5YKc1G
2017-02-09T11:44:12 < dongs> ReadError: stop dragging your retarded trolling filth into irc channels
2017-02-09T11:44:26 < ohsix> dongs: you mean flyback
2017-02-09T11:44:31 < ohsix> readerror doesn't computers
2017-02-09T11:44:34 < Ecco> what's a coreless motor?
2017-02-09T11:44:35 < dongs> almost certain that fucktard followed you into stonertronics
2017-02-09T11:44:38 < Ecco> Is that brushless?
2017-02-09T11:44:40 < dongs> no
2017-02-09T11:44:43 < dongs> thats coreless.
2017-02-09T11:44:59 < ReadError> dongs: who?
2017-02-09T11:45:04 < ohsix> Ecco: coreless is a weave thing with the armature and the magnet is in the middle
2017-02-09T11:45:09 < Ecco> I like how they hook a propeller directly to it and state "80000 RPM" at the same time
2017-02-09T11:45:19 < ohsix> http://ateliermadman.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v47/p749840827-4.jpg
2017-02-09T11:45:32 < Ecco> ho, wow
2017-02-09T11:45:33 < ohsix> not those motors afaik
2017-02-09T11:46:11 < ohsix> ya faulhaber has a bunch of stuff about how they invented special patterns and other shit
2017-02-09T11:46:17 < dongs> 80000rpm is only 1333hz
2017-02-09T11:46:29 < dongs> thats not even all that fast
2017-02-09T11:47:10 < ohsix> newayz
2017-02-09T11:47:22 < ohsix> they have less inertia
2017-02-09T11:47:30 < ohsix> due to lower mass and shits
2017-02-09T11:47:31 < ReadError> dongs: efnet?
2017-02-09T11:47:39 < dongs> yep, and more fucktards joined
2017-02-09T11:47:46 < ReadError> who are you talking about ?
2017-02-09T11:47:52 < ReadError> I see a bunch of spergies in there
2017-02-09T11:47:54 < dongs> furnace and efsenable
2017-02-09T11:48:10 < dongs> anyone who xrefs lrh/stress channel list is a complete fucktard
2017-02-09T11:48:19 < ReadError> fearful
2017-02-09T11:48:27 < ohsix> oh and zero cogging
2017-02-09T11:48:37 < ReadError> racoon^^
2017-02-09T11:48:40 < ohsix> they have a wacky trapezoid thing in the faulhaber m otors
2017-02-09T11:48:59 < dongs> oh wow
2017-02-09T11:49:02 < dongs> yeah, okay i give up
2017-02-09T11:49:29 < ReadError> wasnt me
2017-02-09T11:49:40 < ohsix> lul people 'smashing' the like button on youtube, like the video producers have asked them to, is causing major fuckups with their metrics
2017-02-09T11:49:49 < ReadError> lol BruceL here
2017-02-09T11:49:57 < ReadError> probably him
2017-02-09T11:50:13 < ohsix> beep them all, we'll figure it out
2017-02-09T11:50:26 < ohsix> more people are joining
2017-02-09T11:50:39 < ohsix> timecop is getting streisandeded
2017-02-09T11:50:47 < ReadError> efs is mine
2017-02-09T11:50:54 < ohsix> lets get his safe space back
2017-02-09T11:51:43 < ohsix> Ecco: faulhaber/micromo has tons of whitepapers and crap on the benefits, but it's mostly inertia
2017-02-09T11:52:00 < dongs> wat? youre efsenable?
2017-02-09T11:52:06 < dongs> that faggot with some retarded foot fetish?
2017-02-09T11:52:21 < ReadError> no lol fuck that guy
2017-02-09T11:52:25 < ReadError> im just squating his nick
2017-02-09T11:52:37 < ohsix> commutator withotu iron in it, and a magnet arrangement that puts the magnetic flux lines tangential to the winding, for maximum go
2017-02-09T11:52:53 < ohsix> torque, lul
2017-02-09T12:01:16 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-4x6-5mm-4-6-5mm-Hollow-Cup-Micro-Vibration-Motor-DC-Coreless-Motor-3V-0-08A-/262304840751?hash=item3d12963c2f:g:IGcAAOSwzgRWzUL0 also coreless
2017-02-09T12:03:04 < dongs> mm submitted bgapcb to chinagirl, $97 for 5 boards, thats almost reachign localboard pricing (jk, it's like $300 here for that spec)
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2017-02-09T12:04:25 < psprint> "Which shield footprint would you suggest" – native english support request – what is "shield footprint" ?
2017-02-09T12:04:34 < ohsix> i talked to dude making the thing again, the one i told about the stm32; he said boards were on the way and asked to borrow one of my blue ebay boards olol, and i lent him my stlink clone
2017-02-09T12:04:42 < dongs> arduino shield footprint, you faucking newb
2017-02-09T12:04:56 < ohsix> though i didn't ask if he was using it, and only considered that he was a few minutes ago
2017-02-09T12:05:57 < psprint> so it's just pins, because it could be dimensions and shape for example
2017-02-09T12:06:25 < ohsix> look at the uno, one of the .1" sockets is offset, so the shields only mate one way
2017-02-09T12:07:03 < dongs> what was teh question?
2017-02-09T12:07:08 < dongs> generally dumb answers are due to dumb questions
2017-02-09T12:08:38 < psprint> footprint is a convenience expression I think, native speakers know what it carries, non-natives not neccessarily
2017-02-09T12:09:19 < ReadError> dongs: look lol
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2017-02-09T12:14:00 < ohsix> lul i read this as 'fluore scenceoil' multiple times before i realized what it was https://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/2pcs-lot-Universal-Oil-with-Fluorescent-Leak-Detection-Leak-Test-Dye-for-Car-Auto-Conditioner/32346468226.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000017.2.YyYh1r
2017-02-09T12:14:39 < ohsix> in random AvE video, but i do need some
2017-02-09T12:16:16 < ohsix> his editing and some of the shit he's done lately is completely incoherent
2017-02-09T12:27:34 < ReadError> efnet is the best source of pure unadulterated autism 
2017-02-09T12:34:14 < ohsix> what's really bad is being connected to an interconnected network of computers
2017-02-09T12:34:26 < ohsix> are you really working 15 hours, why are you on irc
2017-02-09T12:34:47 < ohsix> i was at the shop for 13 earlier olol
2017-02-09T12:34:54 < ohsix> had an early meeting tho, unusual
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2017-02-09T12:46:01 < Steffanx> Hi crt
2017-02-09T12:46:29 < dongs> w'sup pumpers
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2017-02-09T12:55:57 < dongs> from pumping?
2017-02-09T12:56:42 < Steffanx> Better show them you degree ;)
2017-02-09T12:56:56 < ReadError> didnt u get another job?
2017-02-09T12:57:00 < ReadError> or something
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2017-02-09T12:59:57 < dongs> TOP VIEW, BALLS DOWN
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2017-02-09T13:03:00 < dongs> Tectu: !!!!!
2017-02-09T13:03:10 < dongs> how the fuck do I make windows right click key work on this shit?!
2017-02-09T13:03:14 < dongs> its same function as Fn
2017-02-09T13:03:22 < dongs> but I acutally USE that windows context menu button shit
2017-02-09T13:04:59 < ReadError> on wat
2017-02-09T13:05:06 < dongs> keyboard
2017-02-09T13:05:33 < Tectu> dongs, SW6 on the back of the keyboard
2017-02-09T13:05:34 < ReadError> oh that thing
2017-02-09T13:05:36 < ReadError> never used it
2017-02-09T13:05:41 < Tectu> but then you can´t use media shit
2017-02-09T13:05:43 < dongs> Tectu: doesnt that disable all Fn functionality?
2017-02-09T13:05:46 < Tectu> jup
2017-02-09T13:05:47 < dongs> what about brightness?
2017-02-09T13:05:54 < Tectu> no idea
2017-02-09T13:06:07 < Tectu> just remap menu key to CTRL+Fn or somethingf
2017-02-09T13:06:31 < ReadError> http://www.macrocreator.com/screenshots/
2017-02-09T13:06:31 < Steffanx> Mac doesnt so ctrl
2017-02-09T13:06:34 < ReadError> that shits pretty cool
2017-02-09T13:06:46 < ReadError> it can do all kinds of crazy stuff
2017-02-09T13:07:00 < dongs> ok
2017-02-09T13:07:02 < dongs> got it diasbled
2017-02-09T13:07:05 < dongs> priductivity increasing
2017-02-09T13:07:45 < Tectu> dongs, happy with it otherwise?
2017-02-09T13:08:29 < Tectu> ReadError, bookmarked
2017-02-09T13:08:38 < dongs> Tectu: seems ok
2017-02-09T13:08:43 < ReadError> Tectu: it can search for images and stuff
2017-02-09T13:08:46 < ReadError> so its v-smart
2017-02-09T13:08:49 < dongs> it feels kinda cheaply made
2017-02-09T13:08:52 < Tectu> I don´t images
2017-02-09T13:09:00 < Tectu> dongs, lol wut?
2017-02-09T13:09:03 < ReadError> nah like if you want to macro something in an app
2017-02-09T13:09:08 < ReadError> but the location of stuff changes
2017-02-09T13:09:13 < dongs> liek the outer plastic shell looks cheap
2017-02-09T13:09:13 < ReadError> it can find the buttons
2017-02-09T13:09:26 < Tectu> ReadError, uhm lol, that sounds... wtf :D
2017-02-09T13:09:32 < ReadError> i dont use that
2017-02-09T13:09:37 < ReadError> its just there if u bout dat
2017-02-09T13:09:37 < Tectu> dongs, yeah, it´s a bit bendy
2017-02-09T13:09:57 < ReadError> it is
2017-02-09T13:10:07 < dongs> i do like reroutable usb connector
2017-02-09T13:10:08 < ReadError> basically that exactly
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2017-02-09T13:28:57 < ReadError> is this some kinda hipster kb ?
2017-02-09T13:31:10 < ReadError> what is it
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2017-02-09T13:31:49 < Gerritjan> LeelooMinai: hey
2017-02-09T13:31:52 < Gerritjan> hey crt
2017-02-09T13:32:27 < Gerritjan> With a Logic analyze do you need to set only the tx or rx? or gnd to
2017-02-09T13:32:59 < Gerritjan> ah oke
2017-02-09T13:33:05 < Kliment> You need a ground connection, but that's not a separate channel
2017-02-09T13:33:47 < Gerritjan> oke i did build a temp because i did buy 1 from  ali
2017-02-09T13:33:48 < Kliment> So you connect your LA ground probe to the ground the signals are referenced to, and then connect two of the channel probes to the tx and rx lines
2017-02-09T14:01:57 < Gerritjan> Damn its hard to program with Uvision 5 :S
2017-02-09T14:03:20 < Tectu> What makes you think/feel so?
2017-02-09T14:03:28 < Tectu> Keil is pro, ask dongs.
2017-02-09T14:04:28 < Gerritjan> well i did try it with a tut but you need to get the info from stm and cant find it anywhere :s
2017-02-09T14:05:55 < Gerritjan> Normaly you can select the items from the list and add them but if i want i to do from the tut im getting nowhere
2017-02-09T14:09:36 < BrainDamage> spotted dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Wef9xVBMA
2017-02-09T14:33:14 < Steffanx> The crt.
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2017-02-09T14:45:04 < Rob235> morning
2017-02-09T14:45:18 < Rob235> is the ControlLeo2 kit worth $190?
2017-02-09T14:46:18 < Rob235> hehe
2017-02-09T14:46:48 < Rob235> no money right now, probably shouldn't be pricing out things I want to buy when there might be better options when I actually have the money
2017-02-09T14:49:30 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/451FK6Gk
2017-02-09T14:49:48 < Rob235> crazy that an air cleaner is the most expensive part
2017-02-09T14:49:57 < Rob235> depending on which scope id end up getting
2017-02-09T14:50:34 < Rob235> hakko air cleaner thingy
2017-02-09T14:50:51 < Rob235> for use when reflowing, I dont want cancer
2017-02-09T14:51:21 < emeryth> are you on your way to become a pro Maker?
2017-02-09T14:51:29 < Rob235> no, hobbyist
2017-02-09T14:51:36 < Rob235> but who knows what the future holds
2017-02-09T14:51:49 < Rob235> I had cancer already, it wasn't fun
2017-02-09T14:52:52 < Rob235> 33 in a month
2017-02-09T14:53:14 < Rob235> testicular cancer is the cancer of young men
2017-02-09T14:53:41 < Rob235> keil has been proven to cause cancer in 63% of cases
2017-02-09T14:54:24 < Rob235> I use coocox coide so I can't say anything, I need a new ide
2017-02-09T14:54:38 < BrainDamage> solder fumes won't give you cancer, only whooping asthma
2017-02-09T14:54:54 < Rob235> its more the flux I'm worried about
2017-02-09T14:55:02 < BrainDamage> that's from the flux
2017-02-09T14:55:05 < Rob235> oh
2017-02-09T14:55:53 < Rob235> I wonder if the new coocox coide is worth a test run
2017-02-09T14:56:44 < Rob235> its buggy and weird but I made my first project with the old one so it cant be that broken
2017-02-09T14:57:43 < ReadError> oh god
2017-02-09T14:57:57 < ReadError> 560 for air cleaner ?
2017-02-09T14:57:58 < ReadError> lol
2017-02-09T14:57:59 < ReadError> gtfo
2017-02-09T14:58:10 < Rob235> haha someone here mentioned it in our convo last night
2017-02-09T14:58:13 < ReadError> idk that buys a lot of drugs
2017-02-09T14:58:47 < BrainDamage> if you have access to a window, a fan and a flexible pipe suffice
2017-02-09T14:58:56 < BrainDamage> no need for fancy filters
2017-02-09T14:59:09 < ReadError> long as it stays out of my eyes
2017-02-09T14:59:13 < ReadError> im fine w/ it
2017-02-09T14:59:16 < ReadError> doesnt bother me
2017-02-09T14:59:42 < Rob235> I guess I wouldn't be using it much, its not like Id be using it everyday so maybe I'll save that for when I'm rich and have money to spare
2017-02-09T14:59:42 < ReadError> im a manly man tho
2017-02-09T14:59:49 < ReadError> just get a small desk fan
2017-02-09T14:59:51 < ReadError> blow it away
2017-02-09T14:59:56 < ReadError> its not a huge risk
2017-02-09T15:00:01 < ReadError> unless u chinastyle
2017-02-09T15:00:35 < Rob235> im pro apple right now, they did me a favor yesterday
2017-02-09T15:01:02 < Rob235> replacing my old mbp gpu for free
2017-02-09T15:01:12 < Rob235> when the program ended a month ago
2017-02-09T15:01:22 < Rob235> yup
2017-02-09T15:01:28 < BrainDamage> how long is warranty period there?
2017-02-09T15:01:52 < Rob235> for the gpu issue it was until dec 31, 2016 for late 2011 models, they extended it and I still missed it
2017-02-09T15:01:56 < Rob235> but they are doing it anyway
2017-02-09T15:02:27 < Rob235> common problem for that generation
2017-02-09T15:02:42 < Rob235> I have a mid 2015 now
2017-02-09T15:02:48 < Rob235> but figured Id fix the old one anyway
2017-02-09T15:02:54 < Rob235> can still get $400 for it or give it to my gf
2017-02-09T15:03:04 < Rob235> I don't think shes very happy with the ms surface that I bought her
2017-02-09T15:03:22 < Rob235> she wanted it, I gave in
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2017-02-09T15:04:12 < Rob235> its not that bad except for the keyboard attachment thing, its aweful
2017-02-09T15:04:25 < Rob235> for what she uses a computer for
2017-02-09T15:04:32 < Rob235> its plenty powerful enough
2017-02-09T15:05:23 < Rob235> does the surface pro have windows rt? I thought it was a full version
2017-02-09T15:05:53 < Rob235> nah it has regular x86-64 processor
2017-02-09T15:06:20 < Rob235> All five versions of the Surface Pro 3 are available now in the US, UK and Australia. They are: 64GB / Intel Core i3 ($799); 128GB / Core i3 ($899); 128GB / Core i5 ($999), 256GB / Core-i5 ($1,299), 256GB / Core i7 ($1,549) and 512GB / Core i7 ($1,949).
2017-02-09T15:06:27 < ReadError> Rob235: whhat was the issue?
2017-02-09T15:06:38 < Rob235> I think I got the i5 version
2017-02-09T15:06:42 < Rob235> the issue with what?
2017-02-09T15:06:51 < ReadError> gpu
2017-02-09T15:06:52 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FGybZLfQ/mbp.png
2017-02-09T15:07:22 < Rob235> the discrete graphics card just failed, lines/distortion, had to disable discrete graphics and boot in to save my data
2017-02-09T15:07:35 < Rob235> not sure exactly though, hopefully when I get mine back they will give a detailed report but I doubt it
2017-02-09T15:07:58 < Gerritjan> Well i got the uart working with Keil :D finally :D
2017-02-09T15:08:56 < Rob235> I saw a video of a guy fix it, he replaced the gpu and it worked fine, not even sure the gpu itself had to be replaced, might just be bga ball stress problem that could be fixed. cant say for sure
2017-02-09T15:12:03 < Rob235> I wonder if its worth upgrading the mbp when its fixed (if I don't sell it), it has a 512 ssd (was fucking $1000 when I got it) but its a slow ssd and could probably use more ram 
2017-02-09T15:12:15 < englishman> Steffanx: free laurence
2017-02-09T15:12:43 < englishman> morning
2017-02-09T15:13:01 < Rob235> got a 1tb ssd in my new one, wouldnt be surprised if it was the same price
2017-02-09T15:13:32 < Rob235> nah, not after 4 years
2017-02-09T15:13:35 < Rob235> :)
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2017-02-09T15:15:17 < Rob235> why all the hate for apple? I agree the prices are insane and engineering isn't that good but I like os x and love the design/feel of the mbp's
2017-02-09T15:16:33 < Rob235> I won't get an iphone though
2017-02-09T15:16:49 < BrainDamage> their marketing strategy is literally to build a community of religious zealouts, which is despicaple both on a social standpoint and both from a sheer personal annoyance standpoint
2017-02-09T15:17:19 < BrainDamage> just like the stereotypical "I vape", there's "I'm a mac person"
2017-02-09T15:17:22 < englishman> I love $AAPL
2017-02-09T15:17:22 < Rob235> so dont get brainwashed, it doesn't mean their products suck
2017-02-09T15:17:51 < BrainDamage> projection is a thing
2017-02-09T15:18:25 < englishman> but I went into one of their stores and actually tries an iPad. And I no longer have any faith in that company
2017-02-09T15:18:36 < englishman> though they remain amazingly profitable, so whatever
2017-02-09T15:19:17 < englishman> no I didn't even buy a $150 pen
2017-02-09T15:20:52 < Rob235> you seem to fall for stereotypes a lot
2017-02-09T15:21:19 < Rob235> 4 years for a laptop isn't bad (especially if they are fixing it for free)
2017-02-09T15:21:20 < Rob235> you
2017-02-09T15:21:45 < BrainDamage> that's not exclusive to apple
2017-02-09T15:21:51 < Rob235> right
2017-02-09T15:22:02 < BrainDamage> I got that on my laptop after 5 years
2017-02-09T15:22:24 < BrainDamage> they had spares and literally send them to me for free
2017-02-09T15:22:34 < BrainDamage> didn't even pay postage
2017-02-09T15:22:39 < Rob235> you say their products break after a few months when that isn't really true, I have no reason to think they break more often than any other company, infact in my experience it seems less often
2017-02-09T15:23:04 < BrainDamage> paint the back of a portable computer with lsd
2017-02-09T15:23:13 < Rob235> oh, thought you were making a general statement
2017-02-09T15:23:14 < BrainDamage> hallucination tablet
2017-02-09T15:23:20 < Rob235> didn't know they made a cd player?
2017-02-09T15:25:11 < Rob235> why is it snowing? it was 56°F yesterday evening
2017-02-09T15:25:18 < Steffanx> What englishman? Free willy?
2017-02-09T15:25:28 < Rob235> :)
2017-02-09T15:26:04 < englishman> give laurence a chance
2017-02-09T15:26:34 < Steffanx> I didnt mute.
2017-02-09T15:27:10 < Steffanx> Your 2nd best fellow did
2017-02-09T15:27:45 < Steffanx> No.
2017-02-09T15:28:06 < englishman> and he is no longer opped
2017-02-09T15:28:22 < englishman> the reign of error is over
2017-02-09T15:28:40 < Steffanx> I didnt unop
2017-02-09T15:31:22 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ
2017-02-09T15:33:29 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@*.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] by englishman, englishman
2017-02-09T15:33:47 <@englishman> mine is very hungry
2017-02-09T15:35:34 <@englishman> isn't this prime innovating hour
2017-02-09T15:35:43 <@englishman> open up uv4.exe
2017-02-09T15:36:18 <@englishman> perfect
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2017-02-09T15:36:56 < englishman> lame
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2017-02-09T15:45:24 < Rob235> is this a decent tutorial to follow using the ltc3780? https://youtu.be/wI-KYRdmx-E
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2017-02-09T15:50:27 < Gerritjan> question if i have a UART_receive_It() and i need to get a string from the uart can i use a while loop or is there somthing else to receive the strin
2017-02-09T15:50:30 < Gerritjan> string*
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2017-02-09T15:53:09 < Gerritjan> do i need to use ADC or somthing?
2017-02-09T15:55:58 < Steffanx> I get the idea you really have to go back to the basics a bit more first, gerritjan
2017-02-09T15:56:04 < Laurenceb_> STM32 cryptographic library package (X-CUBE-CRYPTOLIB) is now FIPS certified according
2017-02-09T15:56:11  * Laurenceb_ wonders if there is NSA backdoor
2017-02-09T15:56:45 < Steffanx> You love backdoors?
2017-02-09T15:56:53 < Gerritjan> Well im just staring with STm32 and i have learn allong the way (just start and learn along the way)
2017-02-09T15:57:53 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-02-09T15:58:42 < Laurenceb_> bbl
2017-02-09T15:59:19 < Gerritjan> Laurenceb_: ?
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2017-02-09T16:00:54 < BrainDamage> FIPS certified tough with which level?
2017-02-09T16:01:05 < Gerritjan> but if sombody has a good basic start page i can start there
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2017-02-09T16:03:53 < Rob235> someone give me a grand please? http://pastebin.com/EWh3V8Tm
2017-02-09T16:04:29 < Rob235> anything else I should add to my wishlist?
2017-02-09T16:04:57 < Steffanx> A "lab" psu?
2017-02-09T16:05:13 < Rob235> aren't lab/bench psus the same thing?
2017-02-09T16:05:30 < Steffanx> But mosified pc psu .. 
2017-02-09T16:05:36 < Steffanx> A modified*
2017-02-09T16:05:47 < Rob235> whats wrong with that, not good enough?
2017-02-09T16:06:16 < Steffanx> You dont want some fancy current limit or variable voltage etc?
2017-02-09T16:06:40 < emeryth> you're spending $500 on a fume extractor but only $50 on a multimeter?
2017-02-09T16:07:05 < BrainDamage> or the guarantee that if you draw low current the psu won't go in dcm mode and start spewing shit
2017-02-09T16:07:07 < Rob235> ltc3780 (a video showed to how modify a pc psu to use that for variable voltage/amp)
2017-02-09T16:07:50 < Rob235> emeryth: thats why I basically excluded the price of the fume extractor, thats last on the list, why spend more than $50 on a multimeter?
2017-02-09T16:08:25 < Rob235> this is just a list, it will probably change over time, I dont have the money to spare right now
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2017-02-09T16:08:35 < Rob235> just thinking/dreaming
2017-02-09T16:09:44 < Rob235> ok so maybe I'll buy a lab ps instead
2017-02-09T16:12:10 < Rob235> this is the tutorial I was looking at just fyi: https://youtu.be/wI-KYRdmx-E
2017-02-09T16:15:27 < karlp> Rob235:  you can just have a temp probe in your over and a timer if you're not actually spending your days assembling.
2017-02-09T16:16:26 < karlp> no need for a special controller
2017-02-09T16:16:27 < Rob235> it would be nice to have the right temp curve and do things right though, I can always start that way and upgrade. Like I said, this is just a wishlist
2017-02-09T16:16:47 < karlp> nah, it happens to just "curve" well enough
2017-02-09T16:17:12 < karlp> turn it on, set to x, wait for y, turn it off and wait, turn it on again to z, wait for q. turn it off and crack the door.
2017-02-09T16:17:14 < Rob235> what about insulating and reducing hot/cold spots for even heat
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2017-02-09T16:17:24 < Rob235> not a problem?
2017-02-09T16:17:43 < karlp> if you're doing enough units at once that you need to be upset about heat distributioon within your toaster oven, you need to be asking why you're a chinaman assembly monkey using a toaster oven.
2017-02-09T16:18:00 < Rob235> I see
2017-02-09T16:18:14 < karlp> an auto controller for a toaster oven is "I wanted to build a controller because I can, and that's half the hobby"
2017-02-09T16:18:40 < karlp> or, "I want to put things in teh oven and go out for a smoke, I can't possibly actually watch this project I care about and finish it"
2017-02-09T16:19:21 < karlp> I have the same thoughts on spending that much money on a fume hood vs the other things on that list :)
2017-02-09T16:19:54 < psprint> Found new category of Arduino proto-shield stuff – screw shields: http://imgur.com/a/e4QNw
2017-02-09T16:19:57 < karlp> have you got one of these at least yet? http://www.ebay.com/itm/24MHz-8CH-USB-Logic-Analyzer-8-Channel-Logic-Analyzer-Compatible-to-Saleae-/171202927182?hash=item27dc7d5a4e:g:M-8AAOSwyQtV6XEJ
2017-02-09T16:20:03 < Rob235> yea that fume extractor probably will never happen, again, just wanted to keep a note of it just incase
2017-02-09T16:20:13 < Rob235> yea I do
2017-02-09T16:20:32 < Rob235> has saved me a lot of headache already
2017-02-09T16:20:39 < karlp> ok, good start :)
2017-02-09T16:26:28 < Steffanx> A fume extractor isnt that hard to home build. At least something that sucks air :)
2017-02-09T16:27:10 < Rob235> heh yea, everyone is stuck on that, I shouldnt have included it, I even tried not including it in my total to show that its probably not gonna happen
2017-02-09T16:29:26 < Steffanx> Hah
2017-02-09T16:31:33 < englishman> while controlleo2 is nice (i have one) hotair will be fine
2017-02-09T16:31:41 < englishman> kill that and the fume extractor
2017-02-09T16:31:58 < englishman> get a better psu
2017-02-09T16:32:10 < englishman> and maybe multimeter but i only have a $25 one so whatever
2017-02-09T16:32:28 < Steffanx> Lol 4realz?
2017-02-09T16:32:33 < englishman> yea
2017-02-09T16:32:42 < englishman> at least its 10megohm
2017-02-09T16:32:48 < englishman> Motomaster 52-0052-2
2017-02-09T16:32:50 < ReadError> Rob235: 858d
2017-02-09T16:32:55 < Rob235> yea I remember
2017-02-09T16:32:58 < ReadError> 43$
2017-02-09T16:33:02 < ReadError> quit overthinking it
2017-02-09T16:33:07 < englishman> o yea hotair isnt $150
2017-02-09T16:33:10 < englishman> get the 858d
2017-02-09T16:33:13 < englishman> its like $50
2017-02-09T16:33:18 < englishman> just double chek its 110v model
2017-02-09T16:33:19 < Rob235> oh I didnt realize I set it to 150
2017-02-09T16:33:20 < ReadError> 43 greenbacks on prime
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2017-02-09T16:33:32 < englishman> or amadongs if you live in trumptown
2017-02-09T16:34:34 < ReadError> LeelooMinai was trying to say the ones w/ the pump in the base are better
2017-02-09T16:34:41 < englishman> yea no
2017-02-09T16:34:42 < ReadError> that kind sux imo
2017-02-09T16:34:46 < ReadError> so clonky 
2017-02-09T16:34:56 < ReadError> cant move like foxconn ninja
2017-02-09T16:35:05 < englishman> lildongs is meowing because the girl took his green stuffed spider and hes sad
2017-02-09T16:35:55 < Rob235> the DS1054Z a good first scope?
2017-02-09T16:35:58 < englishman> yes
2017-02-09T16:36:05 < ReadError> ya good
2017-02-09T16:36:27 < kc2uez> hey guys, quick question. I got a eval nucleo32 board with the stm32f303k8 mcu. the eval board comes with a sample code pre-programmed. I know it is super simple and I can duplicate it no issues, but where is the source for this code? There is a jumper on the D2-GND pins, if the jumper is removed the led blink faster. 
2017-02-09T16:36:49 < ReadError> probably on st.com
2017-02-09T16:36:52 < ReadError> buried 
2017-02-09T16:37:24 < kc2uez> the back of the package says st.com/stm32nucleo, but it goes to a broken url 
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2017-02-09T16:38:06 < ReadError> welcome to st.com
2017-02-09T16:38:41 < ReadError> start googling
2017-02-09T16:38:43 < Rob235> should I invest in a microscope? I have a mini pocket one and a jeweler loupe
2017-02-09T16:38:54 < Rob235> those should be fine right
2017-02-09T16:39:00 < englishman> yea but thats a $1k+ purchase
2017-02-09T16:39:03 < englishman> can hold off for now
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2017-02-09T16:39:12 < englishman> just get initial shit
2017-02-09T16:39:17 < Rob235> yea
2017-02-09T16:39:19 < englishman> you will be spending money all your life
2017-02-09T16:39:22 < kc2uez> yup, i will work on that. all i saw was someone asking what was the jumper for 
2017-02-09T16:39:50 < Rob235> this is a continuous list, its not meant to be purchased all at once, although I guess a decent amount is
2017-02-09T16:40:09 < englishman> kc2uez: after you install stm32cube and download the f3 package its in C:\Users\user\STM32Cube\Repository\STM32Cube_FW_F3_V1.7.0\Projects\STM32F303K8-Nucleo\Examples\GPIO\GPIO_IOToggle
2017-02-09T16:40:34 < Rob235> toaster oven, hot air station and 3d printer are probably on the top, maybe along with lab psu
2017-02-09T16:40:38 < englishman> or maybe not that exact one
2017-02-09T16:40:40 < englishman> but whatever
2017-02-09T16:41:42 < ReadError> Rob235: dont bother
2017-02-09T16:41:53 < englishman> toaster oven unneeded
2017-02-09T16:41:56 < ReadError> it will just make things harder 
2017-02-09T16:42:04 < ReadError> since you gotta worry about paste etc more
2017-02-09T16:42:17 < ReadError> all you need is a syringe of solder
2017-02-09T16:42:19 < englishman> crawl, walk, then run
2017-02-09T16:42:23 < ReadError> 43$ hot air
2017-02-09T16:42:26 < kc2uez> thanks englishman 
2017-02-09T16:44:07 < ReadError> Rob235: worth getting decentish paste too
2017-02-09T16:44:12 < ReadError> shitty paste sux
2017-02-09T16:44:19 < Rob235> yea I wouldnt skimp on that
2017-02-09T16:47:10 < ReadError> what kind of faggot site doesn't let you re-use a previous password
2017-02-09T16:47:17 < ReadError> ADP, thats who
2017-02-09T16:47:37 < Rob235> i hate that shit
2017-02-09T16:48:24 < Rob235> hmm whats going on with crypto
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2017-02-09T16:48:58 < Rob235> btc down $100 in like 8 hours
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2017-02-09T16:50:26 < BrainDamage> btc has ceased to be a crypto nerd dream 6 months after it came out
2017-02-09T16:50:48 < BrainDamage> it's mostly a speculation tool with some drug deals and child porn on top
2017-02-09T16:51:04 < Rob235> still can be very profitable
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2017-02-09T16:51:32 < BrainDamage> ofc, the more volatile the more profitable it is
2017-02-09T16:51:46 < BrainDamage> which is also the complete opposite property you want from a currency
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2017-02-09T16:53:01 < ReadError> arbitrage 
2017-02-09T16:53:25 < Rob235> yea I'm not looking to use it as currency
2017-02-09T16:54:55 < karlp> ReadError: what are you going to use that syringe of solder with if not a toaster oven?
2017-02-09T16:55:11 < ReadError> uhh the 43 hot air?
2017-02-09T16:55:20 < karlp> I guess that works
2017-02-09T16:55:24 < ReadError> $43
2017-02-09T16:55:26 < ReadError> it works great 
2017-02-09T16:55:28 < karlp> I have a syringe of paste and a toaster oven.
2017-02-09T16:55:30 < karlp> and no hot air
2017-02-09T16:55:36 < Rob235> If I get hot air I'm getting a toaster oven too, $80 isn't much to have the benefit of both
2017-02-09T16:55:36 < ReadError> wtf
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2017-02-09T16:55:54 < karlp> toaster oven was "free" lyring around,
2017-02-09T16:55:54 < ReadError> seems backwards karlp 
2017-02-09T16:56:02 < ReadError> if im doing 1-2 boards
2017-02-09T16:56:06 < ReadError> ill just hotair it
2017-02-09T16:56:07 < BrainDamage> a hot air iron can be used to assembly a board and rework/fixes, but the opposite isn't true
2017-02-09T16:56:09 < ReadError> waaaay easier
2017-02-09T16:56:11 < karlp> don't do much assembly here.
2017-02-09T16:56:13 < BrainDamage> you can't use a oven to rework a board
2017-02-09T16:56:18 < ReadError> can fix component boners
2017-02-09T16:56:19 < karlp> yeah, I'd rather have hot air for rework,
2017-02-09T16:56:21 < ReadError> on teh fly
2017-02-09T16:56:35 < karlp> but I don't, so I give it to a dude here who uses a regular iron and makes it work.
2017-02-09T16:57:03 < BrainDamage> I also use the push button receive bacon approach
2017-02-09T16:57:04 < karlp> sooo. what's the difference between the 858d clones?
2017-02-09T16:57:12 < karlp> other than colour of the stickers on teh fornt?
2017-02-09T16:57:16 < ReadError> not much really
2017-02-09T16:57:41 < ReadError> some will try to get you with 220v
2017-02-09T16:58:43 < karlp> you mean, help me.
2017-02-09T16:58:47 < karlp> 110v shit
2017-02-09T16:59:17 < ReadError> yea, north america, thats how we do
2017-02-09T16:59:24 < ReadError> and thats where Rob235 is
2017-02-09T17:00:10 < Rob235> the good ole us of a
2017-02-09T17:00:16 < karlp> making electricity great again
2017-02-09T17:00:36 < englishman> hotair is used to quickly all the shit your oven tombstoned lol
2017-02-09T17:00:40 < englishman> er, quickly fix
2017-02-09T17:00:54 < englishman> zyp dongs aadamson http://i.imgur.com/3kSPFq8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/U3voTuK.jpg
2017-02-09T17:00:59 < ReadError> Mike "Electrocute the Fruit" Pence
2017-02-09T17:01:11 < englishman> bottom pic is how i have it set up now
2017-02-09T17:01:22 < englishman> it doesnt work if i bring the pulltape peel up to in front of the shutter
2017-02-09T17:01:38 < englishman> because when the shutter moves back, the tape is untensioned
2017-02-09T17:01:51 < englishman> and when it moves back forward, it pulls the tape against the tensioner and can jam
2017-02-09T17:01:51 < BrainDamage> they should've called it the EE's stiffy instead of tombstoning
2017-02-09T17:02:43 < ReadError> component boners
2017-02-09T17:02:54 < ReadError> thats what i called them before i heard this tombstoning shit
2017-02-09T17:09:00 < englishman> hm
2017-02-09T17:09:04 < englishman> i could 3dick something
2017-02-09T17:09:08 < englishman> to jam in the channel below
2017-02-09T17:09:14 < englishman> and keep the tape from moving
2017-02-09T17:23:09 < Laurenceb> sup
2017-02-09T17:23:22 < Laurenceb> anyone here worked with stl files?
2017-02-09T17:23:53 < BrainDamage> only trough abstraction libs
2017-02-09T17:24:14 < Laurenceb> I'm wondering if volumes are allowed to intersect
2017-02-09T17:24:35 < Laurenceb> I'm having some issues with some SLS "printing" company
2017-02-09T17:24:50 < BrainDamage> the format does allow it, but the tooling often not
2017-02-09T17:24:52 < Laurenceb> when they try to import my files some of the parts seem to be "culled"
2017-02-09T17:25:14 < Laurenceb> and it looks to me like they are culled due to the fact they are intersecting closed volumes
2017-02-09T17:25:42 < BrainDamage> yeah, sounds like a malformed file
2017-02-09T17:25:42 < karlp> hrm, anyone going to embedded world at all?
2017-02-09T17:25:43 < Laurenceb> wondered if there is a rule against such constructions in stl
2017-02-09T17:25:59 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: It's deliberate by me
2017-02-09T17:26:23 < Laurenceb> as I have some stl files for various parts and wanted to combine them - brackets and stuff
2017-02-09T17:26:48 < BrainDamage> well, the format per se allows it, but the tooling often assumes not, so depends on what they use
2017-02-09T17:26:59 < Laurenceb> yeah it looks like this isnt allowed but I can't find proper documentation
2017-02-09T17:27:21 < Laurenceb> the SLS place is very n00b "we load it into our software and press go"
2017-02-09T17:28:25 < Laurenceb> from the screenshots they sent it looks like their software culls the smallest volumes out of every set of intersecting volumes
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2017-02-09T17:36:36 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/853D-3in1-Soldering-ReWork-Station-SMD-Solder-Iron-Hot-Air-Gun-DC-Power-Supply-/390722563336?hash=item5af8e12d08:g:N0wAAOSwImRYNCEm
2017-02-09T17:36:40 < Rob235> that would be cool if it could do more than 1A
2017-02-09T17:38:31 < Rob235> this decent? http://www.ebay.com/itm/853D-3in1-Soldering-ReWork-Station-SMD-Solder-Iron-Hot-Air-Gun-DC-Power-Supply-/390722563336?hash=item5af8e12d08:g:N0wAAOSwImRYNCEm
2017-02-09T17:40:25 < Rob235> wow, that was my last question, I'm wasting too much time on this shit :P
2017-02-09T17:40:30 < Rob235> didnt realize it was already 10:30
2017-02-09T17:41:07 < Steffanx> Already?
2017-02-09T17:43:31 < Rob235> ?
2017-02-09T17:44:09 < Rob235> ehh I dont think I like that psu
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2017-02-09T17:46:10 < Rob235> do you want switching or linear
2017-02-09T17:52:17 < Rob235> looks like switching is my best option
2017-02-09T17:52:54 < Rob235> less stable by a tiny bit but less heat and cheaper or higher current
2017-02-09T17:53:53 < karlp> that built in power supply is probably ok for basic stuff.  
2017-02-09T17:54:36 < Rob235> yea but if I'm gonna get one, Id rather get one that can do more than 1A
2017-02-09T17:54:51 < Rob235> i'll stick with the 858d
2017-02-09T17:54:59 < englishman> id like to see that 120vac->dc linear supply
2017-02-09T17:55:03 < Rob235> and get a separate ps
2017-02-09T17:55:36 < englishman> o its only 1A right
2017-02-09T17:55:40 < karlp> englishman: there's a great big TO3 bolted to the back panel. 7805 all the way y0?
2017-02-09T17:55:44 < englishman> yeah
2017-02-09T17:55:46 < englishman> likely
2017-02-09T17:56:10 < Rob235> theres even one with hot air, soldering iron and fume vacuum filter in one heh
2017-02-09T17:59:28 < Rob235> ahh its built into the iron
2017-02-09T18:02:11 < englishman> https://youtu.be/IRbC4kowrrY?t=3m34s
2017-02-09T18:02:13 < englishman> people are funny
2017-02-09T18:18:18 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/0b9ef89e16ce59a259475ed4dc2dc774151a830edcb05376fd089e582a283c48.jpg
2017-02-09T18:18:24 < Laurenceb> scary army is scary
2017-02-09T18:19:30 < karlp> given they're all matching shoes, I would guess you're missing some useful context
2017-02-09T18:21:00 < ReadError> Laurenceb: sure any one of them could still kick your ass in those shoes
2017-02-09T18:21:11 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-02-09T18:51:13 < englishman> https://zeptobars.com/en/read/Espressif-ESP32-Wi-Fi-Bluetooth-2.4Ghz-ISM
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2017-02-09T18:51:48 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRNai_j0lUA musics
2017-02-09T18:55:47 < kakimir> I have evening off
2017-02-09T18:55:54 < kakimir> what should I do
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2017-02-09T19:03:02 < Rob235> hire a prostitute
2017-02-09T19:03:35 < kakimir> good idea
2017-02-09T19:03:58 < Steffanx> Didnt you mention a girlfriend kakimir?
2017-02-09T19:04:08 < kakimir> I did
2017-02-09T19:04:14 < kakimir> I lied
2017-02-09T19:04:23 < Steffanx> Or was it a plastic doll?
2017-02-09T19:04:56 < Rob235> he drew eyes on his hand
2017-02-09T19:07:03 < Steffanx> So how is life kakimir?
2017-02-09T19:08:03 < kakimir> positive trend
2017-02-09T19:09:15 < englishman> can confirm fineland = canada
2017-02-09T19:09:29 < kakimir> have you visited?
2017-02-09T19:09:38 < englishman> more like fineland = quebec
2017-02-09T19:09:47 < englishman> no
2017-02-09T19:09:58 < englishman> But I hear kimi Raikkonen is opening a karaoke bar
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2017-02-09T19:12:50 < kakimir> he loves to party
2017-02-09T19:15:40 < Laurenceb> why does this page exist... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TotalBiscuit
2017-02-09T19:17:16 < englishman> same reason as this exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurenceb_
2017-02-09T19:18:55 < sterna> aaw, I thought there was actually gonna be a wiki article on Laurenceb
2017-02-09T19:19:10 < Laurenceb> lel it's coming soon at that rate
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2017-02-09T19:29:05 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/b04d4978b2e1c80e2ffc63e454379aca2a093f35390c59eecb9f6020a854602b.png
2017-02-09T19:40:53 < kakimir> I need a good cheapo LTE modem - usb
2017-02-09T19:41:29 < kakimir> 800mhz and 1800mhz required
2017-02-09T19:41:36 < kakimir> recommends?
2017-02-09T19:42:30 < kakimir> I maybe can make it work with 1800mhz only
2017-02-09T19:44:38 < kakimir> it seems I have to
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2017-02-09T20:01:38 < Steffanx> I bet simcom has something cheap on ebay
2017-02-09T20:02:36 < Steffanx> $50.. Maybe not so cheap
2017-02-09T20:02:54 < Steffanx> Im glad no one took the bet
2017-02-09T20:09:36 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vodafone-K5150-HUAWEI-4G-LTE-USB-Stick-Mobile-Broadband-Modem-Dongle-Unlocked-/281765202726 I wonder if chinese fake these or fiddle with them
2017-02-09T20:09:38 < aandrew> PeterM: wow that is a nice looking load
2017-02-09T20:09:52 < aandrew> I think I got this reload pro working though, it was just in bad need of calibration
2017-02-09T20:10:14 < kakimir> it would be interesting to autostart some chinese crap from usb dongle
2017-02-09T20:15:11 < Ecco> Have you guys some experience developing on Windows?
2017-02-09T20:15:30 < Ecco> What would be the best way to install Make on Windows, for example?
2017-02-09T20:15:59 < englishman> why on earth would you want to do something like that
2017-02-09T20:17:05 < Ecco> well if you have a Makefile-based project you want to build
2017-02-09T20:17:27 < Ecco> I know you could re-code the whole build process by clicking around in Visual Studio
2017-02-09T20:17:31 < Ecco> buy well, that's painful
2017-02-09T20:24:30 < BrainDamage> sterna: flyback has a urban dictionary entry ...
2017-02-09T20:24:35 < kakimir> visual studio is the shit
2017-02-09T20:24:48 < sterna> do I want to know?
2017-02-09T20:25:44 < BrainDamage> it's nothing too terrible
2017-02-09T20:26:06 < BrainDamage> dawngs has an entry in wikipedo under his old nick
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2017-02-09T20:42:30 < Steffanx> i think i used http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/ once Ecco
2017-02-09T20:44:11 < Steffanx> or eclipse with makefile import
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2017-02-09T20:44:27 < Steffanx> or does that depend on an external make.. dont remember
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2017-02-09T21:07:40 < englishman> kaboom https://youtu.be/eYN9WivpQ6M?t=5m19s
2017-02-09T21:21:38 < kakimir> remember to have latest eclipse
2017-02-09T21:22:12 < kakimir> or recent
2017-02-09T21:24:45 < aandrew> I'd rather have herpes
2017-02-09T21:30:09 < Laurenceb> I probably do :(
2017-02-09T21:32:31 < Steffanx> Thanks for the info Laurenceb
2017-02-09T21:33:06 < Laurenceb> hope I didnt catch anything off "the hungarian"
2017-02-09T21:33:40 < Steffanx> You and i both know this is a real as kakimirs girlfriend.
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2017-02-09T21:33:59 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-02-09T21:35:09 < Gerritjan> Im following not a tutorial of pwm and timers but how can i see what pwm is connected to wich timer?
2017-02-09T21:36:33 < kakimir> I think I try to come up with the easiest aoa pressure difference type sensor for rc plane Laurenceb. just some sort of plastic flipping inside the wing depending on pressure difference of certain points in the wing
2017-02-09T21:36:51 < englishman> Gerritjan: the datasheet for your chip
2017-02-09T21:36:51 < Gerritjan> becuase they are talking about pd12 to PD18 gives  us TIM4 with output channel 1to 4
2017-02-09T21:36:54 < englishman> there's a handy tablet here
2017-02-09T21:36:58 < englishman> *table
2017-02-09T21:36:58 < Laurenceb> why not just a fin and 2 axis hall sensor?
2017-02-09T21:37:16 < kakimir> too big too heavy
2017-02-09T21:37:39 < Gerritjan> i have looked @ it and only thing i see is the table with advance and General purpose and basic
2017-02-09T21:37:50 < englishman> which chip
2017-02-09T21:37:54 < Laurenceb> kakimir: lulwut
2017-02-09T21:38:12 < Laurenceb> you could get down to ~1mm^3 magnet size
2017-02-09T21:38:32 < kakimir> I need a bearing and the wing itself
2017-02-09T21:38:34 < Gerritjan> STM32F446RE
2017-02-09T21:38:38 < kakimir> *fin
2017-02-09T21:38:43  * Laurenceb was wondering about a flapping AOA + airspeed sensor
2017-02-09T21:38:50 < Laurenceb> bearing = flexible plastic
2017-02-09T21:38:58 < kakimir> interesting
2017-02-09T21:39:00 < Laurenceb> kapton tape
2017-02-09T21:39:02 < Ecco> AOA = ?
2017-02-09T21:39:06 < Ecco> Artificial Horizon?
2017-02-09T21:39:07 < kakimir> now show me Laurenceb 
2017-02-09T21:39:07 < Laurenceb> angle of attack
2017-02-09T21:39:10 < Ecco> oh ok
2017-02-09T21:39:24 < englishman> Gerritjan: datasheet rev 6, page 59
2017-02-09T21:39:28 < Ecco> as compared to the relative wind or to gravity?
2017-02-09T21:39:29 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_shedding
2017-02-09T21:39:47 < Steffanx> and a note for Gerritjan, datasheet != reference manual
2017-02-09T21:39:47 < Laurenceb> Strouhal number ==0.2 over a huge Re range
2017-02-09T21:39:49 < kakimir> can you paint it for me Laurenceb ?
2017-02-09T21:40:00 < kakimir> what kind of design you are thinking
2017-02-09T21:40:07 < Gerritjan> ow oke
2017-02-09T21:40:21 < Gerritjan> i have this 1 : http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/65/cb/75/50/53/d6/48/24/DM00141306.pdf/files/DM00141306.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00141306.pdf
2017-02-09T21:42:12 < Gerritjan> Thx englishman
2017-02-09T21:42:20 < Gerritjan> Steffanx: Free from work :P
2017-02-09T21:42:42 < englishman> yeah im looking at that
2017-02-09T21:43:19 < Gerritjan> yes im following this tut: https://stm32f4-discovery.net/2014/05/stm32f4-stm32f429-discovery-pwm-tutorial/
2017-02-09T21:44:02 < Gerritjan> englishman: what means AF1 in the table
2017-02-09T21:44:37 < sync_> hmm, I have made a pitot probe before but that doesn't really help mr trollenceb
2017-02-09T21:45:26 < englishman> Alternate Function 1
2017-02-09T21:45:30 < englishman> you set this in the gpio register
2017-02-09T21:45:59 < Gerritjan> oke thx 
2017-02-09T21:47:03 < Gerritjan> because they dont tell that in the tut so, I dont like this site so far but its the only site i can find with this stm32 tutorials
2017-02-09T21:48:11 < Laurenceb> kakimir: https://ibin.co/3Bpf3ds3AfTg.png
2017-02-09T21:48:17 < Laurenceb> red== kapton tape
2017-02-09T21:48:39 < Laurenceb> black == plastic and hall sensor, green == FR4, orange/brown == magnet
2017-02-09T21:49:18 < Laurenceb> use scissors + PET film or the magic 3d printing for the fin
2017-02-09T21:49:46 < kakimir> shouldn't you offset magnet to bearing axis?
2017-02-09T21:50:03 < Laurenceb> magnet should be centered on bearing axis
2017-02-09T21:50:09 < Laurenceb> i tried to draw that...
2017-02-09T21:50:20 < kakimir> okay
2017-02-09T21:50:21 < sync_> doesn't matter shit, with one of those 14bit allegro sensors
2017-02-09T21:50:32 < sync_> as long as it is reasonable
2017-02-09T21:50:38 < kakimir> tape should not wear
2017-02-09T21:50:46 < kakimir> and it should flap around easily
2017-02-09T21:50:48 < sync_> just replace it if worn
2017-02-09T21:50:56 < Laurenceb> yeah with the allegro sensors this can be v small
2017-02-09T21:51:07 < kakimir> true.. even flight surfaces have tape in planes
2017-02-09T21:51:21 < sync_> or just gps + imu
2017-02-09T21:51:22 < Laurenceb> epoxy a ~2mm diameter, 1mm thich N52 magnet on
2017-02-09T21:51:28 < sync_> and calculate AOA from that
2017-02-09T21:51:52 < kakimir> I made one fly surface hinge with bond+seal
2017-02-09T21:52:07 < kakimir> ugly but works
2017-02-09T21:52:56 < Laurenceb> prob use tape on wither side then crimp together in the middle of the joint
2017-02-09T21:53:01 < Laurenceb> that way it can't peel off
2017-02-09T21:53:06 < kakimir> could flight controller magnetometer be utilized to shave down cost even more?
2017-02-09T21:53:08 < Laurenceb> *either
2017-02-09T21:53:15 < Laurenceb> erm no
2017-02-09T21:53:26 < Laurenceb> you need to keep the magnet away from magnetometer
2017-02-09T21:53:36 < Laurenceb> good news is magnetic fields go down with r^3
2017-02-09T21:53:46 < kakimir> why?
2017-02-09T21:53:56 < kakimir> some FCs do not even have magnetometer
2017-02-09T21:54:07 < BrainDamage> because you saturate it
2017-02-09T21:54:13 < Laurenceb> so fail semi manual quadcopter controllers...
2017-02-09T21:55:48 < kakimir> I have 2axis hall sensor board ready to be ordered
2017-02-09T21:57:09 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOEVRem9qTHdnWGs/view?usp=sharing
2017-02-09T22:00:05 < Laurenceb> whats that?
2017-02-09T22:00:14 < Laurenceb> looks like some sort of motor mounting
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2017-02-09T22:02:30 < englishman> Gerritjan: what tutorial
2017-02-09T22:02:39 < kakimir> long edge line gives better bonding to glass fiber fuselage inside surface
2017-02-09T22:03:00 < Gerritjan> englishman: https://stm32f4-discovery.net/2014/05/stm32f4-stm32f429-discovery-pwm-tutorial/
2017-02-09T22:03:39 < englishman> yeah not a lot of actual explanation there
2017-02-09T22:03:42 < englishman> just copypaste code
2017-02-09T22:04:13 < englishman> but thats why this chan is the best irc chan out of all irc
2017-02-09T22:05:15 < kakimir> plan for the night is to 3d model plastic case for the sensor
2017-02-09T22:05:35 < Gerritjan> I know but i dont copy/paste the code i do write all the code zelf but its al lot of search because i use a STM32F446RE and they are diffirent in some way
2017-02-09T22:05:58 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=680JH7TxluI
2017-02-09T22:06:04 < englishman> well i dont write any code at all thanks to stm32cubemx
2017-02-09T22:06:05 < Laurenceb> itl lolling
2017-02-09T22:06:27 < kakimir> I remember now I rather wanted it epoxied
2017-02-09T22:06:32 < Laurenceb> Mr Moist3 months ago > Elliott Rodger was fucking right
2017-02-09T22:06:50 < Laurenceb> kakimir: is this on a full size plane?
2017-02-09T22:07:14 < englishman> damn Laurenceb 
2017-02-09T22:07:28 < kakimir> yes full size
2017-02-09T22:09:00 < kakimir> how do I create a pair of molds for microball+epoxy molding?
2017-02-09T22:09:08 < Gerritjan> englishman: i did start with stm32Cube and i see that the periph is changed to HAL so thats 1 thing thats changed with the website.
2017-02-09T22:10:51 < Gerritjan> but i dont know if the functions and stuff are the same in HAL and periph
2017-02-09T22:11:30 < englishman> they are somewhat similar
2017-02-09T22:11:38 < englishman> but actually not at all
2017-02-09T22:12:02 < kakimir> I ask from machining channel>
2017-02-09T22:13:23 < Gerritjan> oke because i need to get the besics good before i can do some nice stuff :D like (dont know if that possible) run in background a code that runs a servo to a other position and that with multiply
2017-02-09T22:13:28 < Gerritjan> servo`s
2017-02-09T22:14:03 < englishman> sure
2017-02-09T22:14:17 < englishman> with stm32
2017-02-09T22:14:19 < englishman> you can do anything
2017-02-09T22:14:40 < Laurenceb> even attach a laser to a shark
2017-02-09T22:14:44 < Gerritjan> haha well i need to learn it first wat to use and what to  do :D
2017-02-09T22:14:51 < Gerritjan> Laurenceb: lol
2017-02-09T22:16:10 < Gerritjan> i did had a lot to do with USART but that is now solved and now i need to learn to get the string and parse it to the background and run multi task of multi servoc`s
2017-02-09T22:17:37 < Gerritjan> becuase i need to send to the stm32 like(1,90:2,10:3,50) (Servo,degree;next1)
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2017-02-09T22:54:19 < upgrdman> wuts the hotkey to drop a via while placing a trace in altidongs pcb?
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2017-02-09T23:04:08 < englishman> whoa
2017-02-09T23:04:15 < englishman> pays to have current thresholds on device test
2017-02-09T23:04:25 < englishman> tiny little short was detected by 4mA delta on power supply
2017-02-09T23:04:45 < englishman> upgrdman: 2
2017-02-09T23:09:39 < kakimir> I'm back in the game
2017-02-09T23:25:28 < aandrew> englishman: eh? what were you doing?
2017-02-09T23:26:29 < englishman> testing assembled boards
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2017-02-09T23:28:52 < aandrew> nice
2017-02-09T23:29:01 < aandrew> 4mA delta out of what nominal draw?
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2017-02-09T23:46:37 < englishman> 27
2017-02-09T23:47:15 < PeterM> aandrew yeah, its a very very nice load, iu dont have one but a comrade does (infact he has 3), the only problem is, they are very very pricey
2017-02-09T23:49:10 < aandrew> englishman: ah, so ike a 15% change in load. That's significant enough to investigate
2017-02-09T23:49:13 < aandrew> nice 
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2017-02-09T23:53:08 < englishman> this other one is drawing 25mA tho i cant see anything different about it
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2017-02-10T02:53:42 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeEMwSUxWWUxmSE0/view?usp=sharing mold plan
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2017-02-10T03:14:18 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: what are you going to make it from?
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2017-02-10T03:17:25 < Laurenceb_> is QCAD 2d only or 3D ?
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2017-02-10T03:40:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5tnv25L.png so apparently its OK to use unused emmc balls to route
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2017-02-10T03:52:43 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-02-10T03:52:52 < Laurenceb_> surely only if they are NC pins
2017-02-10T03:53:19 < emeb> If it's GPIO and you set them to "input" then they should be fine...
2017-02-10T03:53:20 < Laurenceb_> also where do you get eMMC from at sane prices?
2017-02-10T03:53:29 < emeb> might load the signal down a bit, but not badly.
2017-02-10T03:53:43 < Laurenceb_> inb4 old samsung on ebay
2017-02-10T03:55:45 < emeb> LeelooMinai: true enough. the solution is to not have those kinds of bugs. :)
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2017-02-10T03:56:27 < emeb> I did a board a while back where I wanted both SPI and SDIO options for an SD socket so I hooked up both ports to the same lines and just set the unused one to GPIO input.
2017-02-10T03:56:30 < emeb> worked fine.
2017-02-10T04:02:07 < dongs> We didn’t skimp on what you can’t see, either. A dual layer PCB provides strong solder joints if you want to modify this keyboard yourself.
2017-02-10T04:02:15 < dongs> they're all NC
2017-02-10T04:02:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/04zFXcx.png these are the only balls used on emmc
2017-02-10T04:03:04 < dongs> plus about 10 of 'RFU' but they're in the center ring and right side
2017-02-10T04:05:29 < englishman> does the datasheet or whatever actually say NiC
2017-02-10T04:05:53 < englishman> if so then hell yes do that all the time
2017-02-10T04:06:12 < englishman> but, for pro shit, isnt there some reference footprint for 2L
2017-02-10T04:06:19 < englishman> you could copypaste
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2017-02-10T04:13:00 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/30d7c8121778c6a06793407f346e20c35bcd0b7e90dee7cb0eb544d361fba61d.png
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2017-02-10T04:16:31 < Lux> like sdio is fast or that critical
2017-02-10T04:17:57 < Laurenceb_> nice someone has uploaded campfire headphase https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68mHvQrbUng
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2017-02-10T04:18:13 < Lux> and you can allways run it at a lower speed to compensate for issues
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2017-02-10T04:20:28 < Lux> maybe, but i have no idea if there is a standard or we
2017-02-10T04:20:48 < Lux> still if it works it works
2017-02-10T04:25:29 < Lux> there actually are standards defining those pins as nc
2017-02-10T04:26:01 < Lux> there is even designated stuff reserved for future use
2017-02-10T04:26:21 < Lux> emmc standard ya
2017-02-10T04:27:06 < Lux> but why do i actually care ;)
2017-02-10T04:27:20 < Lux> going back to innovating esc stuff
2017-02-10T04:28:52 < englishman> good idea
2017-02-10T04:29:03 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://i.imgur.com/2m8VD28.jpg
2017-02-10T04:30:54 < dongs> englishman: thats what i just pasted
2017-02-10T04:30:59 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5tnv25L.png
2017-02-10T04:31:07 < dongs> this is from $CY reference emmc routing appnote
2017-02-10T04:33:24 < englishman> heh
2017-02-10T04:38:25 < dongs> is tehre such thing as heated mouse pad
2017-02-10T04:39:26 < aandrew> wut
2017-02-10T04:42:39 < englishman> huh is that really $CY design
2017-02-10T04:42:49 < englishman> because i opened up JEDC 21-C 3.12
2017-02-10T04:43:03 < englishman> and theres one Do Not Use pad connected
2017-02-10T04:43:47 < dongs> 001-98491_AN98491_Recommended_PCB_Routing_Guidelines_for_a_Cypress_e.MMC_Memory_Device.pdf
2017-02-10T04:43:53 < dongs> http://www.cypress.com/file/198421/download
2017-02-10T04:43:55 < dongs> so yes
2017-02-10T04:44:45 < englishman> probably written by cheap imported R2COM labour
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2017-02-10T04:47:10 < dongs> < englishman> and theres one Do Not Use pad connected
2017-02-10T04:47:12 < dongs> which?
2017-02-10T04:47:40 < englishman> corner
2017-02-10T04:47:49 < englishman> but its just NC in cypress datasheet
2017-02-10T04:47:59 < dongs> there's like 8 corners
2017-02-10T04:48:00 < dongs> which one
2017-02-10T04:48:02 < dongs> top left?
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2017-02-10T04:48:12 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/eec5BGW.png
2017-02-10T04:48:28 < englishman> yes
2017-02-10T04:49:04 < englishman> DNU – Can be connected to GND or left floating
2017-02-10T04:49:05 < englishman> o
2017-02-10T04:49:25 < englishman> well it says the same about nc
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2017-02-10T04:49:30 < englishman> so probably fine
2017-02-10T04:53:08 < dongs> ah hm
2017-02-10T04:53:19 < dongs> wait wat
2017-02-10T04:53:26 < dongs> thats not emmc footprint
2017-02-10T04:53:29 < dongs> thats like mobile ddr or osmething
2017-02-10T04:54:32 < englishman> isnt the point of that footprint dram+flash in same pkg
2017-02-10T04:54:38 < englishman> thats why all the unused ballz
2017-02-10T04:54:38 < dongs> no
2017-02-10T04:55:01 < dongs> that doesnt even match emmc pinout, there's those DQxx lines where emmc data/clk stuff is
2017-02-10T04:57:12 < dongs> http://www.cypress.com/file/211531/downloadhttp://www.cypress.com/file/211531/download
2017-02-10T04:57:16 < dongs> http://www.cypress.com/file/211531/download
2017-02-10T04:57:18 < dongs> er
2017-02-10T04:57:35 < englishman> old as fak?
2017-02-10T04:57:57 < dongs> yes but relevant
2017-02-10T04:58:32 < dongs> page 5
2017-02-10T04:59:15 < dongs> apparently nobody makes 11x19 or whatever flash anymore
2017-02-10T04:59:22 < dongs> its all 11.5x13 stuff now
2017-02-10T05:00:56 < englishman> liek what i posted
2017-02-10T05:00:57 < englishman> n e way
2017-02-10T05:01:03 < englishman> im sure $CY knows what theyre doing
2017-02-10T05:01:10 < englishman> in fact im betting money on it
2017-02-10T05:01:47 < dongs> haha
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2017-02-10T05:07:42 < dongs> micron is asking my 'BLOG HANDL'
2017-02-10T05:07:45 < dongs> when creating a n account
2017-02-10T05:07:47 < dongs> should I put down dongs
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2017-02-10T05:09:20 < dongs> holy shit
2017-02-10T05:09:22 < dongs> after registering
2017-02-10T05:09:29 < englishman> put lewis rossman
2017-02-10T05:09:30 < dongs> the appnote I wanted to donwload (micron emmc routing)
2017-02-10T05:09:32 < dongs> is no longer in the list
2017-02-10T05:10:11 < englishman> o dongs
2017-02-10T05:10:15 < englishman> >had an idea about dispensing carbon ink for pullups and non critical value stuff
2017-02-10T05:10:28 < englishman> >the machine I am looking to cobble together won't have feeders so it is less work to just draw it in for proto
2017-02-10T05:10:47 < englishman> opensource dicknplacing in 2017
2017-02-10T05:12:44 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is4JZqhAy-M
2017-02-10T05:22:15 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/gallery/QXog3
2017-02-10T05:22:16 < aandrew> lol
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2017-02-10T05:34:34 < dongs> balls
2017-02-10T05:34:41 < dongs> fucking balls everywhere
2017-02-10T05:42:17 < dongs> yeah?
2017-02-10T05:42:19 < dongs> besides me?
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2017-02-10T05:56:07 < englishman> how does that even happen
2017-02-10T05:56:16 < englishman> do upside down ozzies have 24v cars
2017-02-10T06:05:44 < englishman> so would i, thats rather silly
2017-02-10T06:14:17 < englishman> i have a burned Audison amp i bought when i was like 16, wonder if im smart enough to fix it now
2017-02-10T06:15:28 < englishman> i could send it to crt repair co but hes too spendy for me
2017-02-10T06:15:48 < englishman> word
2017-02-10T06:15:52 < englishman> it pays to chat on irc
2017-02-10T06:16:10 < englishman> ever the businessman
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2017-02-10T06:20:25 < englishman> crt http://i.imgur.com/NHlsN9o.jpg
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2017-02-10T06:22:33 < aandrew> heh
2017-02-10T06:22:38 < aandrew> the digikey ruler has a "buried via"
2017-02-10T06:23:06 < dongs> is it opensource
2017-02-10T06:23:56 < englishman> dongs http://i.imgur.com/BRPWhaE.png
2017-02-10T06:24:58 < dongs> is that teh flight that claimed ot be hit by dji
2017-02-10T06:25:04 < englishman> yes
2017-02-10T06:25:08 < englishman> no drone, just africa
2017-02-10T06:25:15 < dongs> typical
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2017-02-10T06:41:47 < dongs> omg stuipid fucking jap device
2017-02-10T06:41:54 < dongs> oh hm it worked now
2017-02-10T06:41:59 < dongs> like, firmware udpate thing.
2017-02-10T06:42:09 < dongs> format usb as FAT (had to find a 4gb usb stick covered wiht dust)
2017-02-10T06:42:17 < dongs> copy update.shit and .xml to it
2017-02-10T06:42:20 < dongs> did that. 
2017-02-10T06:42:26 < dongs> went to udpate, messages says "DOWNLOADING update"
2017-02-10T06:42:32 < dongs> im like ok, maybe its just jap for "reading from usb"
2017-02-10T06:42:40 < dongs> like 5 mins later it goes "sorry cannot connect to internet to download"
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2017-02-10T07:12:22 < dongs> #MAGA
2017-02-10T07:12:33 < emeb_mac> make america groan again
2017-02-10T07:14:11 < emeb_mac> let's hear it for checks & balances
2017-02-10T07:18:09 < dongs> open dem sores
2017-02-10T07:19:22 < emeb_mac> dongs: R820 pcbs in the mail today. Need to do some soldering tomorrow
2017-02-10T07:24:40 < dongs> cool
2017-02-10T07:24:51 < dongs> long lead time
2017-02-10T07:25:38 < dongs> i made a 1ghz thing using ST 950-2150mhz tuner
2017-02-10T07:25:44 < emeb_mac> heh - took me a while to get around to doing the board.
2017-02-10T07:25:45 < dongs> sent that stuff off to chinapcb yesterday
2017-02-10T07:26:04 < emeb_mac> ah - didn't know ST did that.
2017-02-10T07:26:22 < dongs> they do for settopboxes but no docs unless hardcore nda
2017-02-10T07:26:31 < dongs> i cobbled shit together using TV repair manuals ands hit
2017-02-10T07:26:55 < dongs> grundig and LG had service manuasl with schematics :D
2017-02-10T07:27:59 < emeb_mac> awesome
2017-02-10T07:28:07 < emeb_mac> how about register maps?
2017-02-10T07:28:32 < dongs> lunix kernel driver
2017-02-10T07:28:34 < dongs> but its a simple tuner
2017-02-10T07:28:36 < dongs> only like 6 bytes
2017-02-10T07:28:38 < dongs> over i2c
2017-02-10T07:28:43 < dongs> just prescaler/pll/tune ferquency
2017-02-10T07:29:06 < emeb_mac> doesn't have all the filters & amps?
2017-02-10T07:29:12 < dongs> it has channel width
2017-02-10T07:29:15 < dongs> and LNA on/off
2017-02-10T07:29:19 < emeb_mac> aha
2017-02-10T07:29:21 < dongs> but yeah thats in lunix kernel too
2017-02-10T07:29:30 < dongs> you can change bw from 38 to 1mhz or someshit
2017-02-10T07:29:38 < emeb_mac> not bad
2017-02-10T07:29:44 < emeb_mac> low IF or I/Q?
2017-02-10T07:29:57 < dongs> 4 wires of I/Q
2017-02-10T07:30:03 < dongs> aka zero if
2017-02-10T07:30:05 < dongs> or wahtever
2017-02-10T07:30:05 < emeb_mac> differential then - good
2017-02-10T07:30:41 < dongs> the only suckage about it is power consunmption
2017-02-10T07:30:47 < emeb_mac> buddy of mine wanted an L-band tuner like that
2017-02-10T07:30:49 < dongs>  @ 3.3v, for range -1, to 70'c :
2017-02-10T07:30:49 < dongs>   Icc for SYN=1, RX=1, LPT=0 : Typical 190 mA : Max 256mA
2017-02-10T07:30:56 < dongs> @ 3.3V
2017-02-10T07:31:04 < dongs> fucker heats up just sitting there doing nothing
2017-02-10T07:31:08 < emeb_mac> was looking at Maxim part. DK sells 'em for $3
2017-02-10T07:31:14 < emeb_mac> full docs
2017-02-10T07:31:27 < emeb_mac> similar range to what you mentioned
2017-02-10T07:31:27 < dongs> yeah maxim is ok for one-offs
2017-02-10T07:31:34 < dongs> i donno if they're usd by anyone in production
2017-02-10T07:31:46 < dongs> cuz ST or chinks usually provide a complete package of tuner+demod+stuff
2017-02-10T07:32:02 < emeb_mac> maxim is notorious for parts going unobtainium suddenly
2017-02-10T07:32:03 < dongs> MAX2121?
2017-02-10T07:32:19 < emeb_mac> yeah or 2123 or somthing
2017-02-10T07:32:57 < aandrew> well let's be rational
2017-02-10T07:33:04 < aandrew> the courts didn't say trump was wrong or overstepping his bounds
2017-02-10T07:33:05 < englishman> putting illegal immigrant retard R2COM on ignore for interrupting important innnovation chats with boring american political shit
2017-02-10T07:33:15 < dongs> ^_^_^_^
2017-02-10T07:33:35 < dongs> emeb_mac: looks very similar in spec to ST part
2017-02-10T07:33:52 < aandrew> they said that the executive (nor any branch) has no right or expectation to operate without oversight 
2017-02-10T07:33:56 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah sounded like it
2017-02-10T07:34:08 < emeb_mac> with full docs too :)
2017-02-10T07:34:12 < aandrew> and while they're deciding if it's unconstitutional or not, the ban cannot be upheld
2017-02-10T07:34:34 < englishman> maxim tho
2017-02-10T07:34:42 < dongs> rite
2017-02-10T07:34:48 < dongs> i'd rather buy ST from china
2017-02-10T07:34:49 < dongs> without docs
2017-02-10T07:34:54 < dongs> but at least I can buy it
2017-02-10T07:35:54 < dongs> heh, it needs abotu as much power as ST, too
2017-02-10T07:35:59 < dongs> 148-200mA @# 3.3V
2017-02-10T07:36:06 < englishman> cloned
2017-02-10T07:36:15 < dongs> i guess thats just how that stuff works, there's no way aroudn making it less
2017-02-10T07:36:34 < dongs> ban who?
2017-02-10T07:36:39 < dongs> is trump banned from trolling
2017-02-10T07:36:40 < dongs> for 90 days?
2017-02-10T07:37:02 < dongs> The unanimous ruling from a three-judge panel means that citizens of seven majority-Muslim countries will continue to be able to travel to the US, despite Trump's executive order last month.
2017-02-10T07:37:09 < dongs> about america: fucked
2017-02-10T07:37:20 < emeb_mac> heh - DK page for max2121 says that there's < 3k parts in factory stock.
2017-02-10T07:37:24 < emeb_mac> yeah..... no.
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2017-02-10T07:37:48 < englishman> maxim only orders 3 wafers at a time
2017-02-10T07:37:54 < dongs> and the other part is non-stock
2017-02-10T07:38:15 < aandrew> englishman: hahahahahaha
2017-02-10T07:38:21 < dongs> what ever happened to that awesome maxim gyro
2017-02-10T07:38:22 < aandrew> 15 years ago maxim was the shit
2017-02-10T07:38:24 < dongs> that was like over 9000 dps
2017-02-10T07:38:29 < dongs> is it EOL nwo
2017-02-10T07:38:29 < aandrew> now I generally avoid them
2017-02-10T07:39:02 < englishman> well thats what happens when they decide to not actually make anything
2017-02-10T07:40:09 < ohsix> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/steval-stlkt01v1.html
2017-02-10T07:40:12 < emeb_mac> one of my clients used to be an FAE for maxim - he won't buy parts from them.
2017-02-10T07:40:36 < englishman> nice
2017-02-10T07:40:54 < upgrdman> why? parts avail'ty?
2017-02-10T07:41:13 < ohsix> and lead times
2017-02-10T07:42:35 < englishman> http://www.digikey.com/en/pdf/t/tdk/ceralink-product-brief-2016
2017-02-10T07:42:48 < englishman> ceramic cap with increasing capacitance vs dc bias
2017-02-10T07:43:44 < ohsix> oooooooooooooooooooooooooold
2017-02-10T07:44:01 < ohsix> though i didn't know anyone would care when i read it
2017-02-10T07:44:03 < dongs> that sounds like a $$/ea cap
2017-02-10T07:44:31 < ohsix> there are ones for rf too
2017-02-10T07:45:19 < emeb_mac> dongs: stb61xx stuff?
2017-02-10T07:45:29 < dongs> stv61xx yea
2017-02-10T07:45:37 < dongs> 6110 or 20 i forget
2017-02-10T07:45:46 < dongs> no docs except a fuckoff, brief @ st.com
2017-02-10T07:45:55 < emeb_mac> ya - seeing that
2017-02-10T07:46:10 < emeb_mac> but block diagram look like the maxim stuff, as you said.
2017-02-10T07:46:26 < dongs> ya
2017-02-10T07:46:50 < emeb_mac> wonder why they're so NDA about it?
2017-02-10T07:46:56 < emeb_mac> nothing super special there.
2017-02-10T07:46:58 < aandrew> upgrdman: maxim has some niche parts but nothing that I really must have or that doesn't have a million clones 
2017-02-10T07:47:07 < dongs> fuck knows. probably cuz their entier TV stuff line is all NDA
2017-02-10T07:47:07 < emeb_mac> unless they stole the design. :)
2017-02-10T07:47:14 < aandrew> what's a stb61xx?
2017-02-10T07:47:22 < dongs> st lband tuner
2017-02-10T07:47:28 < emeb_mac> l-band direct conversion tuner on chip
2017-02-10T07:47:32 < dongs> for some SDR wank
2017-02-10T07:48:02 < aandrew> aha
2017-02-10T07:49:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ayCF5Sr.png emmc symbol in vault was so fucking bad i had to redraw my own
2017-02-10T07:50:37 < aandrew> nice
2017-02-10T07:50:44 < aandrew> some of the schematic symbols in vault are *hideous*
2017-02-10T07:51:01 < dongs> this thing was terrible, clk/cmd/rst was on one side and D0..D7 on another
2017-02-10T07:51:38 < englishman> is there a ##8051
2017-02-10T07:51:47 < dongs> yes, flyback is in it
2017-02-10T07:51:51 < aandrew> lol
2017-02-10T07:51:55 < dongs> still trying to make a floppy emulator
2017-02-10T07:52:17 < aandrew> as in like antiviagra?
2017-02-10T07:52:41 < dongs> he doesnt need that
2017-02-10T07:54:23 < aandrew> oh lord
2017-02-10T07:54:54 < aandrew> I know what you're doing but I haven't found a good way to do it
2017-02-10T07:55:06 < aandrew> how's your xmos work going anyway
2017-02-10T07:55:19 < dongs> xmos work = endless autism
2017-02-10T07:55:25 < aandrew> why do you have resistors with in and out pins?
2017-02-10T07:55:34 < dongs> pic
2017-02-10T07:55:55 < dongs> lul looking at this chink reference schematic there's an OpenSDA debugger
2017-02-10T07:56:01 < dongs> made wiht some kinetis garbage
2017-02-10T07:56:08 < aandrew> ah
2017-02-10T07:56:28 < aandrew> what are the green squares on the right?
2017-02-10T07:56:54 < aandrew> aha
2017-02-10T07:57:04 < upgrdman> what a stupid looking fan  https://www.amazon.com/Ozeri-Tower-Passive-Reduction-Technology/dp/B005I5KSMM/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&qid=1486706010&sr=8-31&keywords=fan+with+remote
2017-02-10T07:57:19 < dongs> Part Status: Discontinued at Digi-Key
2017-02-10T07:57:34 < dongs> a fan that doesnt make noise also doesnt move air
2017-02-10T07:57:37 < dongs> thus its not a fan
2017-02-10T07:57:54 < aandrew> interesting way to label the signal between the xmos and resistor (the 90 degree angles), I woudn't have thought of that
2017-02-10T07:58:11 < dongs> aandrew: link to wahtever youre autisming about
2017-02-10T07:58:24 < aandrew> dongs: you need to unignore LeelooMinai 
2017-02-10T07:58:27 < dongs> no way.
2017-02-10T07:58:31 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/SBazt6B.png
2017-02-10T07:58:57 < dongs> yeah definitely autism
2017-02-10T07:58:58 < dongs> waht the hell
2017-02-10T07:59:00 < dongs> even changing fonts
2017-02-10T07:59:03 < dongs> on symbols
2017-02-10T07:59:23 < aandrew> the sans serif looks good on the pins
2017-02-10T07:59:30 < aandrew> I should do that on mine
2017-02-10T07:59:39 < dongs> don't
2017-02-10T07:59:47 < dongs> cuz then when you use any symbols that arent yours, shit looks ugly
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2017-02-10T08:00:12 < aandrew> agreed, but I'm quickly getting to the point where the vault is useless
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2017-02-10T08:01:53 < ohsix> y/n http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mobius-2-ActionCam-Mini-Sports-Camera-DashCam-1080P-60FPS-H-265-HEVC-H-264-AVC-/152173086360
2017-02-10T08:02:57 < dongs> yeah, if i cba to smartpaste from datasheet, i'll at least copy from vault and end up fixing the symbol one way or anoyher
2017-02-10T08:03:07 < dongs> like the emmc part.
2017-02-10T08:03:24 < dongs> plus vault has all tehse fucking useless metadata under name/values thaT I will never use
2017-02-10T08:04:47 < dongs> resistors with direction pins eh.
2017-02-10T08:04:54 < dongs> thats some 1st class autism right there
2017-02-10T08:05:00 < dongs> does footprint tell direction too?
2017-02-10T08:05:08 < dongs> 'resistor text label facing this way'
2017-02-10T08:05:33 < dongs> how do those perpendicular net names work
2017-02-10T08:05:44 < dongs> i guess as long as bottom left is touching the pin, thats all it needs?
2017-02-10T08:05:46 < aandrew> the start point is on the net
2017-02-10T08:05:51 < dongs> ya ok
2017-02-10T08:06:04 < dongs> looks terrible tho
2017-02-10T08:06:12 < aandrew> it's actually kind of neat and a LOT less obtrusive than I thought
2017-02-10T08:06:37 < dongs> theres no reason not to call those nets like X1D43 or wahtever
2017-02-10T08:06:41 < dongs> and then real name after the resistor.
2017-02-10T08:06:48 < aandrew> what I usually so is take up more horizontal room
2017-02-10T08:06:54 < englishman> how can you be an altidumb pro and not know how net names tie
2017-02-10T08:07:00 < aandrew> my OCD would go nuts to use it, but it might grow on me
2017-02-10T08:07:12 < aandrew> hm? who's talking about ties
2017-02-10T08:07:29 < dongs> i think hes talking about whats the net name hotspot for connection
2017-02-10T08:07:32 < dongs> whcih is bottom left
2017-02-10T08:07:35 < englishman> the point that net labels tie to wires
2017-02-10T08:07:36 < aandrew> ah
2017-02-10T08:12:09 < Rob235> hmm, any free music I can put in the background for a soundless video demonstrating an iOS app?
2017-02-10T08:14:30 < dongs> im sure there's somethign with gay vibes
2017-02-10T08:22:53 < dongs> anyone remember waht embest was called before farnell bought them
2017-02-10T08:27:48 < dongs> oh that wasa coocox
2017-02-10T08:29:41 < dongs> http://www1.coocox.org/
2017-02-10T08:29:43 < dongs> modern lunix
2017-02-10T08:30:31 < dongs> http://www.howtodieinoregon.com/ attn ohsix 
2017-02-10T08:31:58 < emeb_mac> heh - good thing I don't live there anymore
2017-02-10T08:32:36 < emeb_mac> dongs: been fooling with CubeMX + SW4STM32 to do projects for the last few days.
2017-02-10T08:32:43 < dongs> mhm
2017-02-10T08:32:44 < emeb_mac> a bumpy ride, but it does work
2017-02-10T08:32:47 < dongs> yeah it does
2017-02-10T08:33:03 < dongs> i think last time i fucked with it, there was definitely a bug with custom board selection
2017-02-10T08:33:09 < dongs> like if you choose some existing tarduino-nucleo its ok
2017-02-10T08:33:12 < emeb_mac> ugly code generation
2017-02-10T08:33:20 < dongs> but if you make a custom board, it loses the layout of it for next time you open the project
2017-02-10T08:33:24 < dongs> and shit fails to compile/bla
2017-02-10T08:33:41 < dongs> fucking customer isntalled that shit on some netbook
2017-02-10T08:33:44 < dongs> it took like 5 mins to open eclipse
2017-02-10T08:33:47 < emeb_mac> aha - haven't tried more than one pass on my custom stuff
2017-02-10T08:34:04 < emeb_mac> heh - yeah. the java-GUI is slooooow
2017-02-10T08:34:04 < dongs> yeah try closing eclipse and see if you can re-open the project and buid it successfully, lol
2017-02-10T08:34:36 < emeb_mac> plus it borked my workspace somehow and I had to create a new one and re-import the projects
2017-02-10T08:35:26 < emeb_mac> Oh - and CubeMX generates SW4STM projects with syntax errors in the XML
2017-02-10T08:35:32 < emeb_mac> so those have to be hand-fixed
2017-02-10T08:35:39 < dongs> awesome.
2017-02-10T08:35:40 < emeb_mac> or no compile
2017-02-10T08:35:44 < dongs> woudl never happen with PRO KEIL
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2017-02-10T09:16:55 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/dGFR-d89M_o :P
2017-02-10T09:17:34 < Rob235> that UI definitely should have been fixed up before release but I was young and dumb and uh... yea
2017-02-10T09:20:53 < Rob235> :)
2017-02-10T09:22:41 < Rob235> can you ban me please, please
2017-02-10T09:22:46 < Rob235> ignore i mean
2017-02-10T09:22:51 < Rob235> do it
2017-02-10T09:33:04 < ohsix> sup pros
2017-02-10T09:33:19 < ohsix> is there some time management thing that doesn't suck, and generate invoices
2017-02-10T09:33:43 < ohsix> need to automate this shit lul, may do it with latex or something stupid
2017-02-10T09:34:13 < ohsix> Rob235: google youtube music library, its' pretty huge, it's also in the video editor
2017-02-10T09:35:05 < Rob235> I just searched royalty free creepy music, I dont care enough and ended up picking the 3rd one I came across. I might swap it out later for something better
2017-02-10T09:37:01 < ohsix> hmmmm heh i should probably be signing these invoices
2017-02-10T09:37:14 < ohsix> not much risk of people modifying them at this point, but it would be a mess if they did
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2017-02-10T09:39:08 < ohsix> Rob235: yea i dunno, strikes on youtube are srs biz, their own library is pretty safe from mistakes
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2017-02-10T09:39:33 < ohsix> all it takes is one terd taking that music and checking a box that says they have the copyright on all of it
2017-02-10T09:41:47 < Rob235> I included the 'Royalty free music from 'artists name'' in my description so I should be ok
2017-02-10T09:42:07 < Rob235> time for bed though, late as hell, goodnight
2017-02-10T09:48:22 < Rob235> haha r2com really downvoted it
2017-02-10T09:48:31 < Rob235> well I'm assuming it was him
2017-02-10T09:48:47 < Rob235> Ive never met someone like you 
2017-02-10T09:50:05 < Rob235> I'd feel really sad for you if I didn't think you were going to go on a murder spree at some point in your life
2017-02-10T09:51:41 < ohsix> not knowing shit and hanging around doesn't really make for interesting conversation
2017-02-10T09:52:40 < Rob235> peace out cubscouts
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2017-02-10T10:01:08 < ohsix> In July 2008, Meraki said 100,000 people in San Francisco used its 'Free the Net' service. Since then, Meraki discontinued this public service, though many access points remain active, but with no connection to the Internet. lul
2017-02-10T10:01:58 < ohsix> xfinity has free shit all over tho
2017-02-10T10:02:06 < ohsix> 'free', you get two uses per month or something
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2017-02-10T10:59:07 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/hateshaliek/status/803694615211585536
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2017-02-10T11:18:23 < ohsix> http://blogs.agu.org/landslideblog/2017/02/10/oroville-dam-1/
2017-02-10T11:18:27 < ohsix> that's a big thing
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2017-02-10T11:46:13 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncmbENXdhDM heh
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2017-02-10T12:49:28 < Gerritjan> HEy crt
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2017-02-10T13:03:41 < Gerritjan> euhm debug?
2017-02-10T13:04:24 < Gerritjan> F7
2017-02-10T13:04:52 < Gerritjan> on the top is a box with a arrow in it
2017-02-10T13:05:25 < ReadError> crt: cheatcodes from github
2017-02-10T13:05:42 < Gerritjan> http://imgur.com/a/2Zjmg
2017-02-10T13:05:58 < Gerritjan> crt thats where the build is
2017-02-10T13:08:46 < Gerritjan> May bee you guys can help im want to send a command(s) to the STM32 and when the task is done in the background i want to send a string back like (done or ok or somthing else) so is it better do do it in the main loop and wait until bool is done to accept the new string or is there a better way
2017-02-10T13:11:04 < Gerritjan> becuase when i let the robot walk and the left leg is still in the air  i dont want to send command (go right leg up)
2017-02-10T13:12:02 < Gerritjan> its only accepting commands and send it to 21 servo`s ( not all @ once but 2/5 servo`s per command)
2017-02-10T13:13:44 < Gerritjan> RPI 3 is dooing more like Kinect movement calculating,  talking, gps,
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2017-02-10T13:14:18 < Gerritjan> yes i know but im only seeing @the moment the option while)
2017-02-10T13:14:44 < Gerritjan> euhm the pwm :S rpi got less pwms 
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2017-02-10T13:15:28 < atmc> i'm using CubeMX to generate my pinout/clock config. when i want to use with my USART1 on the stm32f4-disco1 i just get garbage. do i have to change the default clocks to something different in order to get correct baud rates?
2017-02-10T13:15:54 < Gerritjan> and i had this device from st deliverd for freee for some testing thats why
2017-02-10T13:16:15 < Gerritjan> not that i know of
2017-02-10T13:16:59 < atmc> my adapter (FTDI) blinks on receiving but the terminal just shows weird symbols instead of the characters sent
2017-02-10T13:18:28 < atmc> crt: shouldn't the CubeMX tool do the right thing for pin/clock setup?
2017-02-10T13:20:07 < atmc> crt: so you setup everything by hand?
2017-02-10T13:20:16 < Gerritjan> crt: so you saying only use rpi?
2017-02-10T13:20:53 < Gerritjan> for 21 servo`s
2017-02-10T13:21:20 < atmc> Gerritjan: don't use software pwm though ;)
2017-02-10T13:22:20 < Gerritjan> oke becuase i have also a disctance meter that has to be connected to thats why im asking i did see 21 gpio pins so thats possible
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2017-02-10T13:23:21 < Gerritjan> atmc: why not?
2017-02-10T13:23:41 < Gerritjan> crt: yea its the servo mg966R servo what im getting
2017-02-10T13:24:07 < atmc> Gerritjan: softpwm creates a non reliable signal which produces jitter
2017-02-10T13:24:42 < Gerritjan> oke but im checking the pins but i see also like GPIO14(TXD0) so that 1 is in use 
2017-02-10T13:25:11 < Gerritjan> and when i count there are onlu 9 gpio pins free :S
2017-02-10T13:26:12 < Gerritjan> override them?
2017-02-10T13:27:05 < Gerritjan> oke
2017-02-10T13:28:46 < Gerritjan> sure
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2017-02-10T13:42:02 < atmc> crt: what would recommend on how to configure the USART correctly? the connection seems to work, but terminal is showing garbage. 
2017-02-10T13:43:06 < atmc> so basically ditch the ST stuff and use the bare metal ref manual
2017-02-10T13:44:41 < atmc> wtf are you talking about
2017-02-10T14:02:59 < ReadError> crt does a lot of pcp, alot
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2017-02-10T14:20:09 < Steffanx> Some are graduated with honor.
2017-02-10T14:20:38 < Steffanx> Honour*
2017-02-10T14:20:40 < Steffanx> S
2017-02-10T14:28:06 < jpa-> Steffanx: were you?
2017-02-10T14:32:54 < dongs> crt, who is that jew
2017-02-10T14:33:13 < dongs> is he that cubemx troll
2017-02-10T14:33:15 < dongs> who cant compute
2017-02-10T14:33:26 < dongs> somethign raspberrypi something 64x32 matrix
2017-02-10T14:35:51 < dongs> heh highspec chinapcb is not cheap
2017-02-10T14:36:08 < dongs> just paid 140 for that 66x28mm 2L board
2017-02-10T14:36:15 < dongs> for 5 boards + stencil
2017-02-10T14:37:12 < dongs> so much for 10 for $10
2017-02-10T14:37:16 < dongs> for 5x5cm
2017-02-10T14:37:17 < dongs> LOl
2017-02-10T14:37:43 < dongs> i wonder if silk will be more readable from highspec fab
2017-02-10T14:37:45 < dongs> will see.
2017-02-10T14:39:22 < kakimir> how does it work in americas as there is many timezones that television shows are in right time?
2017-02-10T14:39:53 < dongs> it doesnt
2017-02-10T14:39:56 < kakimir> and people actually live in both ends of timezones
2017-02-10T14:39:57 < dongs> they show shit 4 hours earlier
2017-02-10T14:39:59 < dongs> its not
2017-02-10T14:40:02 < dongs> live
2017-02-10T14:40:22 < dongs> thats why shitty tv shows are capped by people where its 4 hours earlier
2017-02-10T14:40:28 < dongs> to get it fastar
2017-02-10T14:40:40 < dongs> by the time shit airs in your crappy state, you can already download  + watch it
2017-02-10T14:41:03 < kakimir> russia would have been another example but pretty much nobody (as russians) lives another side of ural
2017-02-10T14:41:49 < kakimir> sure some asian tribes hang around there but there is no terrestial coverage
2017-02-10T14:42:27 < kakimir> not leds this time
2017-02-10T14:43:53 < kakimir> I see you got depressed as there was no leds info
2017-02-10T14:44:10 < dongs> wat leds
2017-02-10T14:44:32 < kakimir> my computerized led controller
2017-02-10T14:44:40 < dongs> how many SMA sockets
2017-02-10T14:44:54 < kakimir> changed to mmcx
2017-02-10T14:44:59 < kakimir> many
2017-02-10T14:45:12 < dongs> mmcx is pretty awful
2017-02-10T14:45:19 < dongs> i made a product with it
2017-02-10T14:45:24 < dongs> about 4k units
2017-02-10T14:45:28 < dongs> mmcx was the biggest return reason
2017-02-10T14:45:31 < dongs> shitty easy to break socket
2017-02-10T14:45:45 < BrainDamage> mmcx is what you use for "plug once"
2017-02-10T14:49:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> kinda an insult to gibbons
2017-02-10T14:49:51 < Jak_o_Shadows> Gibbons are much fitter, in general
2017-02-10T14:50:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/KXi6PGt.png i think micron just volunteered to pay top dolla for all my prototype pcbs
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2017-02-10T14:52:31 < Lux> isn't that gonna fuck up assembly with solder running into the vias ?
2017-02-10T14:52:41 < dongs> no, thats a plugged via pad
2017-02-10T14:52:48 < dongs> that bumps pcb price by like 80%
2017-02-10T14:52:52 < Lux> $$ stuff
2017-02-10T14:53:08 < dongs> i did some via in pad stuff for 0.4mm pitch
2017-02-10T14:53:10 < dongs> on 6L
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2017-02-10T14:53:15 < dongs> there was no way to do it otherwise
2017-02-10T14:53:26 < Steffanx> Not me jpa- but crt
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2017-02-10T14:54:07 < Lux> 0.4mm is like wlcsp right ?
2017-02-10T14:54:10 < dongs> sure
2017-02-10T14:54:14 < dongs> or any random bga
2017-02-10T14:54:18 < dongs> fucking STM has some 0.4mm trash
2017-02-10T14:54:26 < Lux> yeah, that's what i meant
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2017-02-10T14:54:47 < Lux> i wonder how high the failure rate gets with that stuff
2017-02-10T14:55:11 < dongs> if it was that bad people wouldnt use it
2017-02-10T14:55:17 < dongs> i would guess not any worse than normal bga
2017-02-10T14:55:35 < Lux> ah ok, i thought it gets worse with smaller pitch
2017-02-10T14:55:45 < Lux> at last I read some paper claiming that
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2017-02-10T14:58:34 < kakimir> dongs: what is that pic?
2017-02-10T14:59:08 < kakimir> someone said me that I should not place via in middle on pad
2017-02-10T14:59:15 < kakimir> like in 5. so I stopped
2017-02-10T14:59:30 < Lux> ad Nintendo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyzD8pNlpwI
2017-02-10T14:59:41 < Lux> plugged via kakimir
2017-02-10T14:59:46 < dongs> kakimir: you can if you're paying pcb house to plug them up
2017-02-10T14:59:59 < dongs> which doesn't work when you buy 10 for $10 chinapcb special
2017-02-10T15:00:17 < kakimir> definitelly it sucks when small smd starts bone in the via
2017-02-10T15:00:37 < kakimir> especially gndplane via
2017-02-10T15:01:51 < zyp> for huge pads, via in pad doesn't matter
2017-02-10T15:02:02 < zyp> like thermal center pad
2017-02-10T15:02:14 < kakimir> why is 1. not allowed?
2017-02-10T15:02:35 < kakimir> they plug them with hasl?
2017-02-10T15:02:53 < kakimir> or some particular plugs?
2017-02-10T15:03:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> Wait. Via = hole drilled through board, with a connection from one side to the other
2017-02-10T15:03:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> Generally around the edges of the hole.
2017-02-10T15:03:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> So a plugged via has a teensy bit of wrie in it?
2017-02-10T15:03:51 < Jak_o_Shadows> Or just filled with solder?
2017-02-10T15:03:55 < kakimir> sure
2017-02-10T15:04:06 < BrainDamage> there's both conductive and non conductive plugs
2017-02-10T15:04:25 < kakimir> why would you non coductive plug it?
2017-02-10T15:04:33 < zyp> I think they are normally plated like usual, then just plugged
2017-02-10T15:04:36 < zyp> with whatever
2017-02-10T15:04:37 < kakimir> save 0.000.. something per board?
2017-02-10T15:04:56 < zyp> kakimir, because it doesn't matter, the point is to close the hole
2017-02-10T15:05:09 < BrainDamage> you can want nonconductive because conductive is also thermally conductive
2017-02-10T15:05:23 < kakimir> okay
2017-02-10T15:06:22 < BrainDamage> conductive plugs also have thermal expansion problems
2017-02-10T15:06:34 < BrainDamage> but only at high currents/high temps
2017-02-10T15:07:16 < BrainDamage> but you don't give a shit generally unless you're doing via in pad bga
2017-02-10T15:08:27 < kakimir> you need conductive plug for bga?
2017-02-10T15:08:45 < kakimir> or you need specific type of via/pad?
2017-02-10T15:11:10 < BrainDamage> you just have to be careful at high thermal stress situation with via in pad bga because the diff expansion can crack the contact
2017-02-10T15:11:46 < BrainDamage> with nonconductive you're on the safe side, with conductive you have to calculate it
2017-02-10T15:14:39 < zyp> sounds like something you should leave to the fab
2017-02-10T15:14:53 < kakimir> itäs not easy
2017-02-10T15:15:22 < kakimir> it seems even big manufs have difficulties time to time with bgas
2017-02-10T15:15:40 < kakimir> talking particularry about GPU chips
2017-02-10T15:16:57 < Lux> that's probably because they get hot as fuck
2017-02-10T15:17:43 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaE0yMFk0YmdrQkk/view?usp=sharing sun started shining about a week ago
2017-02-10T15:17:49 < kakimir> friend has new toy
2017-02-10T15:17:55 < kakimir> video about it
2017-02-10T15:18:48 < Steffanx> Nice
2017-02-10T15:18:51 < BrainDamage> yes, leave it to the fab if you can
2017-02-10T15:18:56 < BrainDamage> how much did it cost?
2017-02-10T15:19:37 < kakimir> 5k
2017-02-10T15:20:20 < BrainDamage> I guess I'll stick to kitesurfing
2017-02-10T15:20:58 < kakimir> he had some extra high pitch propeller for it for small chutes like that speed chute
2017-02-10T15:21:24 < kakimir> and it's the biggest possible engine in the market
2017-02-10T15:21:39 < kakimir> big chutes fly with way smaller power
2017-02-10T15:22:13 < BrainDamage> if they have the same dynamics of kitesurfs, big ones have huge turn radius
2017-02-10T15:22:39 < kakimir> speed chute means downhill with skis
2017-02-10T15:23:20 < kakimir> needs 30kmh to fill and 40kmh to generate lift
2017-02-10T15:23:58 < kakimir> only 13m^2
2017-02-10T15:24:27 < kakimir> *speed riding
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2017-02-10T15:27:06 < kakimir> there is no way to runstart it even with head wind
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2017-02-10T15:28:08 < kakimir> skis and sled pull to 30kmh - start engine - power on - throw away rope and start steering
2017-02-10T15:29:17 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzx8FVkmzAs speed riding
2017-02-10T15:31:44 < kakimir> it costs 50 to see it
2017-02-10T15:32:28 < kakimir> I just learned business
2017-02-10T15:33:58 < kakimir> supply and demand
2017-02-10T15:34:13 < kakimir> you need led pics and I supply them
2017-02-10T15:34:25 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-10T15:34:33 < kakimir> it means money
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2017-02-10T15:39:31 < kakimir> crt: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKel9SOXdQeGhhR0k/view?usp=sharing this?
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2017-02-10T15:44:57 < dongs> kikecad
2017-02-10T15:49:13 < Laurenceb_> https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10226813&cid=53835767
2017-02-10T15:49:41 < dongs> Lol
2017-02-10T15:56:51 < kakimir> avoid to be cucked
2017-02-10T15:57:05 < kakimir> by dominant female
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2017-02-10T16:09:30 < ReadError> hows ur gf kakimir 
2017-02-10T16:10:21 < kakimir> good
2017-02-10T16:12:03 < ReadError> great, ask her what shes making for dinner tonight, I was wanting some steak
2017-02-10T16:13:57 < Steffanx> Imaginary people cant make dinner.
2017-02-10T16:14:09 < kakimir> but imaginary dinner?
2017-02-10T16:14:21 < Steffanx> In the bible maybe, but not outside that book
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2017-02-10T17:06:55 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/broken-hearts-division-relationships#/
2017-02-10T17:08:39 < kakimir> Laurenceb: do you have information about curing shrinkage of epoxy+glass ball fill?
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2017-02-10T17:35:09 < Laurenceb> kakimir: google is your friend
2017-02-10T17:35:22  * Laurenceb was just using some epoxy + silica powder
2017-02-10T17:35:24 < englishman> kaks your parachute video doesnt load for me
2017-02-10T17:36:14 < ReadError> lol why do u have an SMA for LED
2017-02-10T17:36:31 < kakimir> englishman: open it in chrome
2017-02-10T17:36:38 < englishman> yais
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2017-02-10T17:37:11  * Laurenceb is working on his rockoon again
2017-02-10T17:37:20 < englishman> yay!
2017-02-10T17:37:21 < Laurenceb> might be able to have a test ready for weekend
2017-02-10T17:37:24 < englishman> downloading kaks mp4
2017-02-10T17:37:54 < englishman> that looks like fun
2017-02-10T17:38:11 < englishman> omg the end tho
2017-02-10T17:38:31 < englishman> i dont think hes supposed to get the strings around the prop like that
2017-02-10T17:38:32 < englishman> just a guess
2017-02-10T17:38:45 < kakimir> and how exhaust
2017-02-10T17:38:53 < kakimir> hot
2017-02-10T17:44:33 < Laurenceb> he needs to be more active
2017-02-10T17:45:50 < Rob235> good morning
2017-02-10T17:46:03 < Laurenceb> hi
2017-02-10T17:46:19 < dongs> what video
2017-02-10T17:46:42 < Laurenceb> kakimir videeeeo?
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2017-02-10T17:50:57 < englishman> kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaE0yMFk0YmdrQkk/view?usp=sharing sun started shining about a week ago
2017-02-10T17:52:08 < Laurenceb> wtf how far north are you?
2017-02-10T17:53:24 < englishman> 47th
2017-02-10T17:53:27 < englishman> and it looks like that here
2017-02-10T17:53:37 < englishman> your logic is irrelevant
2017-02-10T17:53:44 < Laurenceb> huh I'm >52 here
2017-02-10T17:53:50 < Laurenceb> plenty of sun
2017-02-10T17:54:00 < Laurenceb> but 12C
2017-02-10T17:55:26 < kakimir> I think I'm about 64 degrees north
2017-02-10T17:56:44  * karlp hi5s kakimir
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2017-02-10T17:57:16 < karlp> (I thought it was bullshit about the sun being up again)
2017-02-10T17:57:25 < karlp> but perhaps kak just meant it had been grey before?
2017-02-10T17:57:31 < karlp> and now it was blue skies / sunny?
2017-02-10T17:57:38 < zyp> 69 here
2017-02-10T17:57:46 < zyp> degrees north
2017-02-10T17:58:12 < Laurenceb> lul whyyy
2017-02-10T17:58:14 < zyp> and it's over three weeks since we had the sun back over the horizon
2017-02-10T17:58:22 < Laurenceb> enjoy living in the dark :P
2017-02-10T17:58:29 < karlp> enjoy brexit loser
2017-02-10T17:58:38 < englishman> sunny and -22 here
2017-02-10T17:58:43 < Laurenceb> but I voted for brexit
2017-02-10T17:58:47 < Laurenceb> winrar
2017-02-10T17:58:48 < zyp> Laurenceb, pff, summer makes up for it
2017-02-10T17:58:51 < kakimir> that's mad zyp 
2017-02-10T17:59:10 < kakimir> there is total difference even between 64 and polar circle
2017-02-10T17:59:14 < englishman> yee, uk gets no winter but no summer either
2017-02-10T17:59:20 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-02-10T17:59:26 < zyp> summer here has like two months without a sunset
2017-02-10T17:59:31 < Laurenceb> I have no problem with that
2017-02-10T17:59:41 < Laurenceb> I'd be happy with 12 to 15C all year
2017-02-10T18:00:18 < englishman> where in norway are you zyp 
2017-02-10T18:00:26 < englishman> o you gave lat
2017-02-10T18:00:54 < englishman> thats pretty freakin far north
2017-02-10T18:01:18 < englishman> are there pretty fjords, can i visit
2017-02-10T18:03:12 < zyp> I used to live around 58 degrees, might move back there in a couple of weeks if I get a job offer from a company I've been talking to
2017-02-10T18:07:36 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgtc.com/Kesh3Qw.jpg
2017-02-10T18:08:12 < englishman> zyps house https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhEEb6_rPI4
2017-02-10T18:09:33 < Laurenceb> N O R D F J O R D
2017-02-10T18:09:45 < Laurenceb> A E S T H E T I C
2017-02-10T18:10:16 < zyp> Nordfjord is a lot further south
2017-02-10T18:10:32 < BrainDamage> there's a guy in another channel from vardø and he gets circular sun orbit in the solstice
2017-02-10T18:10:36 < zyp> hmm, depends, name is used for several places
2017-02-10T18:12:12 < karlp> there's three in iceland for instance :)
2017-02-10T18:13:43 < zyp> my guess is that it's this nordfjord: https://www.google.no/maps/place/Nordfjord/@61.8417345,5.5653145,9z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4617acc0f3515add:0x578948ad13df60e1!8m2!3d61.8617209!4d6.015911
2017-02-10T18:19:08 < dongs> hmm my SWO isnt working on this board
2017-02-10T18:19:09 < dongs> wtf
2017-02-10T18:19:28 < dongs> i did DBGMCU_CR_TRACE_IOEN but ITM_SendChar isnt working
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2017-02-10T18:19:51 < zyp> ah, yup, here's the shit they are flying over: https://www.google.no/maps/@61.9329753,6.9156063,6026m/data=!3m1!1e3
2017-02-10T18:45:14 < englishman> theres so many fjords like that, and you can pick that right out lol
2017-02-10T18:45:15 < englishman> cool
2017-02-10T18:50:53 < karlp> heh, science biatches: http://imgur.com/a/NujW4
2017-02-10T18:51:13 < Laurenceb> insert science is cool meme here
2017-02-10T18:51:43 < Laurenceb> ur control loop is oscillating?
2017-02-10T18:53:42 < Laurenceb> triggering intensifies https://media.8ch.net/file_store/6068f00a1a24c1871c617a1dcde975b92db7c8728c062432fc46b3c3c314e2d4.jpg
2017-02-10T18:54:25 < karlp> Laurenceb: beating from sampling a periodic waveform at a fixed rate, and not starting "near zero"
2017-02-10T18:54:41 < Laurenceb> ah
2017-02-10T18:55:07 < karlp> the slight difference in frequencies causes big changes if your "extra" bits are near the high point of the wave, rather than near the low points.
2017-02-10T18:55:44 < karlp> stalling the beginning of RMS calculations until the samples approached the long term mean, and then a fixed count of samples gives much better results.
2017-02-10T18:56:00 < karlp> exposes the longer term drift/wobble of course, but that's a different matter :)
2017-02-10T18:56:12 < karlp> anyway, we had a theory, theory was proven correct.
2017-02-10T19:24:02 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/79ec5425017d8c666a63edea2b031a751db494b3b50458bf819748449b718a90.jpg
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2017-02-10T19:42:37  * emeb checks in from 33deg N
2017-02-10T19:42:48 < emeb> 70F
2017-02-10T19:45:12 < Laurenceb> anyone here ever mounted a samba share on ubuntu?
2017-02-10T19:45:31  * Laurenceb suspects it worked but doesnt know where to look
2017-02-10T19:46:16 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: mount -t cifs ...
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2017-02-10T20:40:20 < Rob235> is there anyway to send a decent quality vid over sms? what is the file limit?
2017-02-10T20:43:17 < Steffanx> Mms maybe, but.. Decent?
2017-02-10T20:44:53 < Rob235> videos get compressed so much you can barely see anything, just wondering what the point in even having the option is, maybe the resolution is just too high
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2017-02-10T21:00:41 < zyp> englishman, well, it took me five minutes
2017-02-10T21:02:13 < zyp> I saw they were flying over a camp site (lots of camping trailers visible), so I just searched for camp sites in gmaps and looked at satellite photos that matched the aerial view
2017-02-10T21:02:15 < BrainDamage> emeb: you measure the weather in farads?
2017-02-10T21:04:41 < Rob235> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/20170210_133604.mp4 heh I don't know if it's worth $13 but its a pretty cool card
2017-02-10T21:06:01 < emeb> BrainDamage: Yes!
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2017-02-10T21:25:57 < tpw_rules> i can't seem to get my head around the stm32l0 usart
2017-02-10T21:26:43 < tpw_rules> i'm using the HAL and it's giving me data just fine. but if i let it overrun, it just gives me a timeout error
2017-02-10T21:28:42 < tpw_rules> i don't understand why
2017-02-10T21:31:05 < tpw_rules> i don't care when i overrun. i just want to start receiving bytes again
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2017-02-10T21:43:13 < emeryth> clear the overrun error flag?
2017-02-10T21:44:00 < tpw_rules> configuring overrun disable does not help
2017-02-10T21:44:09 < tpw_rules> and the way to clear it seems to be to just read RDR. which i do
2017-02-10T21:51:18 < tpw_rules> okay yeah i guess i need to clear the flag
2017-02-10T21:51:25 < tpw_rules> idk why. i turned on overrun detect disable
2017-02-10T21:52:22 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/K7doxjc.jpg
2017-02-10T21:52:50 < tpw_rules> englishman: it's shit. only 256 colors?
2017-02-10T22:05:59 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMDd2NkEyWkFRN00/view?usp=sharing shiet
2017-02-10T22:06:06 < kakimir> molds getting real
2017-02-10T22:06:27 < kakimir> guy on other channel is counting price for it
2017-02-10T22:20:12 < kakimir> I need small gauge wire
2017-02-10T22:20:15 < kakimir> recommends?
2017-02-10T22:20:35 < Ecco> kakimir: Maybe you can find it from scraped electronics?
2017-02-10T22:20:43 < kakimir> no
2017-02-10T22:20:53 < Ecco> why not?
2017-02-10T22:21:06 < ReadError> massdrop can go fuck themselves
2017-02-10T22:21:13 < kakimir> I don't do scrapped electronics
2017-02-10T22:21:16 < ReadError> i dont want to register just to view some link 
2017-02-10T22:21:25 < ReadError> happens all the time
2017-02-10T22:21:29 < kakimir> I do not have a source of good scrap electronics
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2017-02-10T23:31:56 < kakimir> http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/i-work-from-home
2017-02-10T23:33:14 < aandrew> what the fuck is that shit kakimir 
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2017-02-10T23:40:02 < kakimir> too long
2017-02-10T23:40:04 < kakimir> shit
2017-02-10T23:42:37 < kakimir> doing my stuff home I can relate in such humour
2017-02-10T23:42:57 < englishman> boards in the oven
2017-02-10T23:42:59 < aandrew> I can't
2017-02-10T23:43:02 < aandrew> I rather like working from home
2017-02-10T23:43:09 < englishman> i hate it
2017-02-10T23:43:14 < englishman> kittens far too distracting
2017-02-10T23:43:21 < kakimir> too many times I stagnate
2017-02-10T23:44:06 < englishman> how can i focus with this little face running around meowing http://i.imgur.com/FKs6jFQ.jpg
2017-02-10T23:44:18 < kakimir> unpleasant slow work phases make distractions compelling
2017-02-10T23:44:56 < kakimir> or lost directions and days of emptyness
2017-02-10T23:50:04 < Steffanx> Why you have so many cats englishman?
2017-02-10T23:50:12 < Steffanx> Also no room in tha house where they cant get?
2017-02-10T23:50:15 < BrainDamage> he's a crazy cat lady
2017-02-10T23:50:16 < aandrew> very easily
2017-02-10T23:50:22 < Steffanx> and cannot get to the door to scratch
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2017-02-10T23:52:30 < BrainDamage> pic of englishman: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/b/b5/230px-Eleanor_Abernathy.png/revision/latest?cb=20140817113422
2017-02-10T23:53:48 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/9PY2EIj.jpg
2017-02-10T23:54:07 < Steffanx> Hairy pussy..
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2017-02-11T00:10:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAG4wFcWunE musics
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2017-02-11T00:12:33 < kakimir> dongs: http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/17/0210/h_1486764407_7921737_d8ff2c0e7a.png kikecad like kaks
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2017-02-11T00:30:03 < Steffanx> is that an ad/popup inside kicad kakimir?
2017-02-11T00:32:23 < kakimir> it's some course page
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2017-02-11T01:12:27 < Steffanx> oh ok
2017-02-11T01:13:30 < kakimir> I need to set some artificial limit to my test case to test temperature ranges and I wonder what would be highest measureable temperature with "basic" methods
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2017-02-11T01:16:04 < kakimir> highest readings might be from some infrared type of sensor
2017-02-11T01:17:27 < englishman> Kicad Like a Pro
2017-02-11T01:18:04 < tpw_rules> thermocouples can go into thousands of degrees kakimir
2017-02-11T01:18:07 < tpw_rules> very easily
2017-02-11T01:18:29 < kakimir> but doesn't those melt?
2017-02-11T01:18:43 < tpw_rules> no
2017-02-11T01:18:52 < kakimir> is there even ... ooh fahrenheit range
2017-02-11T01:19:02 < tpw_rules> thermocouples can do thousands C too
2017-02-11T01:19:03 < englishman> wut
2017-02-11T01:19:03 < kakimir> good point
2017-02-11T01:20:00 < kakimir> better test limits with fahrenheit too
2017-02-11T01:20:40 < tpw_rules> what are you talking about now
2017-02-11T01:20:43 < kakimir> or rename test to have celsius in the name
2017-02-11T01:20:53 < tpw_rules> -400C to +9999C
2017-02-11T01:21:36 < kakimir> there is problem with -400C
2017-02-11T01:21:53 < tpw_rules> yes it's below absolute zero
2017-02-11T01:21:57 < tpw_rules> fine, -273.15C
2017-02-11T01:22:02 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-11T01:22:09 < kakimir> what is tpw?
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2017-02-11T01:22:23 < tpw_rules> according to this random chart, an S type thermocouple can do 1500°C
2017-02-11T01:22:41 < tpw_rules> a very very common K type thermocouple can do 1300°C
2017-02-11T01:24:53 < kakimir> −273,15 yes
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2017-02-11T01:37:42 < kakimir> I ranged it to 9999
2017-02-11T01:43:01 < kakimir> I figured I make only testcases to cover used ranges otherwise the thing runs for weeks
2017-02-11T01:45:51 < kakimir> and twenty four hours a day
2017-02-11T01:52:39 < kakimir> am I missing some popculture reference?
2017-02-11T01:53:59 < kakimir> or is it childrents song
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2017-02-11T02:24:47 < Laurenceb_> truly epic lulz https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/02/10/2338219/russia-considers-sending-snowden-back-to-us-as-a-gift-to-trump
2017-02-11T02:31:46 < kakimir> must be a joke
2017-02-11T02:34:51 < ReadError> where is that 35page doc
2017-02-11T02:34:54 < ReadError> I cant fucking find it
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2017-02-11T03:27:08 < upgrdman> so a pc microphone has one end going to gnd, and the other end pulled high via a resistor. i dont have a scope in front of me. what does the waveform look like? centered on 1/2 vdd?
2017-02-11T03:30:18 < aandrew> I don't know about centred, but if you use AC mode on the scope it should look right, no?
2017-02-11T03:30:43 < upgrdman> well ya but im thinking about emulating a pc mic
2017-02-11T03:30:50 < upgrdman> and not sure how to drive it
2017-02-11T03:31:06 < upgrdman> and dont have my o-scope in the room to look at the waveform of a real pc mic
2017-02-11T03:31:07 < upgrdman> :(
2017-02-11T03:31:27 < dongs> https://i.redd.it/tdooqkoci2fy.gif 
2017-02-11T03:31:32 < dongs> 100% worth the ending
2017-02-11T03:32:28 < upgrdman> dongs, nice
2017-02-11T03:32:45 < aandrew> haha dongs 
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2017-02-11T04:05:50 < Laurenceb_> http://www.house4hack.co.za/category/fpv
2017-02-11T04:05:53 < Laurenceb_> mad skillz
2017-02-11T04:09:20 < dongs> that FUCKING MUSIC
2017-02-11T04:09:21 < Laurenceb_> http://m.imgur.com/gallery/6SayL
2017-02-11T04:09:51 < Laurenceb_> joke is on you I had the sound off
2017-02-11T04:10:31 < Laurenceb_> heh sounds like di.fm
2017-02-11T04:10:45 < dongs> no it had some gay male vocals
2017-02-11T04:11:00 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-02-11T04:11:38 < Laurenceb_> lul autotuning
2017-02-11T04:11:57  * Laurenceb_ is listening to campfire headphase 
2017-02-11T04:12:50 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68mHvQrbUng
2017-02-11T04:17:21 < dongs> Laurenceb_: africa looks like a wasteland
2017-02-11T04:18:19 < Laurenceb_> dongs: https://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/kevin-carter-vulture.jpg
2017-02-11T04:18:44 < dongs> rite
2017-02-11T04:18:46 < Laurenceb_> I always thought that was just a shopped /pol/ meme
2017-02-11T04:19:21 < Laurenceb_> but turns out someone though that was a legit awesome shot
2017-02-11T04:19:32 < Laurenceb_> rather than like.. rescuing the babby
2017-02-11T04:20:00 < Laurenceb_> news photographers are kind of ebil
2017-02-11T04:20:34 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: well they could also have genocided it humanely
2017-02-11T04:20:53 < Laurenceb_> whatever takes your fancy
2017-02-11T04:21:18 < Laurenceb_> eaten alive by vultures for cool news shots is too far even for hitler
2017-02-11T04:22:33 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats my point
2017-02-11T04:22:41 < Laurenceb_> photographers are pretty twisted
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2017-02-11T04:23:02 < Laurenceb_> thats literally how they justify ogrish.com
2017-02-11T04:23:07 < Rob235> ugh, onenote is garbage
2017-02-11T04:23:30 < Laurenceb_> you wouldn't be justifying shit when its your mangled relatives up on ogrish
2017-02-11T04:25:29 < ohsix> chuck tingle is going to be on @midnight
2017-02-11T04:25:30 < ohsix> ReadError: ^
2017-02-11T04:25:44 < Laurenceb_> is that a real thing/person?
2017-02-11T04:26:02 < ohsix> yea
2017-02-11T04:26:08 < Laurenceb_> lul today I learn the memes are all real
2017-02-11T04:26:27 < ohsix> he's p. funny,w rites tons of gonzo gay ebook shit
2017-02-11T04:26:42 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-02-11T04:27:02 < ohsix> interested to see how much of the online part is a persona
2017-02-11T04:27:22  * Laurenceb_ is going to sleep
2017-02-11T04:27:31 < Laurenceb_> enjoy epin discussions
2017-02-11T04:27:42 < ohsix> http://www.businessinsider.com/magic-leap-photo-leak-prototype-2017-2 heh
2017-02-11T04:28:04 < ohsix> o/ Laurenceb_ 
2017-02-11T04:28:11 < ohsix> i need to work less so we can chat moar
2017-02-11T04:31:05 < ohsix> haha japanese pm handshake thing https://twitter.com/Slade/status/830167452810108929
2017-02-11T04:31:08 < ohsix> trump likes to jerk people off
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2017-02-11T04:35:07 < ohsix> ReadError spotted https://twitter.com/iamgoomba/status/827141009473671169
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2017-02-11T04:35:20 < dongs> lol lelooman autisming
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2017-02-11T04:51:58 < ohsix> ehh rando question, i want obs to just stream to another computer, is there something cheap/dubm i can do or do i need a rtmp server running some place
2017-02-11T04:52:03 < ohsix> needs to be in lan
2017-02-11T04:52:49 < ohsix> we're teaching some classes in a conference room that is packed, some friends / people that work in the lab want to attend, so i'm gonna set up an overflow stream with the smart display in the conf room, it has a room scale mic and camera and shit in it
2017-02-11T05:16:18 < ReadError> https://gfycat.com/SneakyKnobbyJackrabbit
2017-02-11T05:16:21 < ReadError> efnet dramas
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2017-02-11T05:48:27 < ohsix> oo, alwa's awakening is out
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2017-02-11T05:52:38 < dongs> hm how thefuck do I make something like 40Hz pulses with TIM1
2017-02-11T05:52:48 < dongs> thats gona have a prescaler > 64k
2017-02-11T05:54:20 < dongs> i think im gonna need a combination of prescaler and period or somethin
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2017-02-11T05:59:34 < dongs> wow STLINK is FUCKING SLOW to debug with
2017-02-11T06:07:15 < ohsix> looool https://cpsc.gov/Recalls/2017/Restoration-Hardware-Recalls-Metal-Top-Dining-Tables
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2017-02-11T07:07:36 < ohsix> sup crt
2017-02-11T07:07:49 < ohsix> are you talking to r2com
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2017-02-11T07:08:02 < ohsix> aroo
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2017-02-11T07:10:00 < dongs> http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/02/10/rock-guitarist-rick-derringer-charged-with-having-loaded-gun-on-delta-flight.html
2017-02-11T07:10:03 < dongs> lol
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2017-02-11T07:10:41 < ohsix> nom de plume
2017-02-11T07:16:27 < ohsix> that's uh, pretty bad considering the shit with customs and border patrol right now
2017-02-11T07:16:33 < ohsix> famous dude got a gun on a plane
2017-02-11T07:16:53 < ohsix> people with green cards being coerced into signing a form to give upthe green card mid flight
2017-02-11T07:22:46 < emeb_mac> yep - it's non-stop party time over at ICE these days
2017-02-11T07:23:05 < emeb_mac> they're rounding 'em up here in PHX area.
2017-02-11T07:25:35 < ohsix> so not only is there a bunch of horrible people you know exist for a fact, post election. there are a lot of horrible people just 'following orders'
2017-02-11T07:26:36 < englishman> Laurenceb_> http://www.house4hack.co.za/category/fpv
2017-02-11T07:26:41 < englishman> cool, i have 8 of those planes
2017-02-11T07:26:58 < englishman> should destroy them in cool ways
2017-02-11T07:28:34 < englishman> Derringer told him that he flies as many as 50 times per year with the gun in his carry-on bag, and has never had a problem.
2017-02-11T07:28:35 < englishman> lol
2017-02-11T07:34:51 < upgrdman> i wouldnt be surprised if he really has carried the gun dozens of times
2017-02-11T07:35:22 < upgrdman> xray dude's often aren't "on the ball"
2017-02-11T07:36:23 < upgrdman> object detection algo's have been added to a lot of baggage scanners because the mouth breathers can't be trusted.
2017-02-11T07:37:03 < englishman> opencv is in charge of airline security?
2017-02-11T07:37:06 < englishman> no reason to worry then
2017-02-11T07:37:37 < upgrdman> nah bro, more like some half-assed chinagineer's attempt at shape detection
2017-02-11T07:38:01 < englishman> oh in that case, it should work
2017-02-11T07:38:04 < englishman> closedsores ftw
2017-02-11T07:38:13 < upgrdman> also, fun fact: metal detector wands don't detect all types of metal :) trivial to evade, but i'll leave it at that.
2017-02-11T07:38:50 < ohsix> the shit is density mapping
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2017-02-11T07:39:23 < ohsix> someone should make an analogy to drm and this, it would be funny
2017-02-11T07:39:28 < ohsix> somewhere on twitter where it would be seen
2017-02-11T07:39:52 < ohsix> 'most people carrying a gun on a plane aren't there to kill anyone or comandeer the plane' 'they're inconvienenced by these rules'
2017-02-11T07:39:52 < upgrdman> ohsix, decent stuff is DXA, so not just "density" mapping
2017-02-11T07:40:27 < ohsix> only said that cuz opencv was mentioned, there's more information available
2017-02-11T07:40:44 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-11T07:41:30 < ohsix> wats dxa tho
2017-02-11T07:41:41 < ohsix> does that x stand for backscatter or something
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2017-02-11T07:41:56 < upgrdman> dxa is dual xray absorption
2017-02-11T07:42:03 < ohsix> ic
2017-02-11T07:42:06 < upgrdman> err oops
2017-02-11T07:42:22 < upgrdman> i meant DEXA
2017-02-11T07:42:24 < ohsix> looks like a more accurate density thing
2017-02-11T07:42:30 < upgrdman> dual energy xray absorbtion
2017-02-11T07:42:53 < ohsix> yea it's known by both dexa and dxa
2017-02-11T07:43:03 < upgrdman> basically you radiate it with a broadish spectrum of xrays, then use stacked xray detectors, with a filter above the bottom ones
2017-02-11T07:43:41 < upgrdman> by looking at the diff between the measurements, you can determine what absorbed xray (iron, alum, etc.)
2017-02-11T07:43:43 < ohsix> such a silly thing to get right for passenger screenings lul
2017-02-11T07:44:24 < ohsix> as medical equipment they're badass, as a passenger screening thing they're cheap enough for the resolution to be a problem and the overall judgement to be on someone who probably can't operate it
2017-02-11T07:44:26 < upgrdman> ever look at the screen as they xray your baggage? looks like gray/green/blue/orange false coloring. blue == steel, green == aluminum, orange == organic, gray == uncertain
2017-02-11T07:44:40 < ohsix> never been
2017-02-11T07:44:49 < ohsix> but i've seen the density marking and i've read about it
2017-02-11T07:45:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, like this  http://www.krystalvision.co.in/images/krystalvision%20x%20ray%20-%20baggage%20scan-crop-u6705.jpg
2017-02-11T07:45:24 < ohsix> huhuh have you seen those trucks canners that use existing high energy particles passing through the planet
2017-02-11T07:46:15 < ohsix> they're for detecting radioactive material
2017-02-11T07:46:19 < ohsix> can't remember the name
2017-02-11T07:46:28 < ohsix> upgrdman: ya that's regular image segmentation junk
2017-02-11T07:47:06 < englishman> lol
2017-02-11T07:47:15 < dongs> wassup dongs
2017-02-11T07:47:16 < englishman> whered you get the xray of my luggage
2017-02-11T07:48:19 < ohsix> hrmp
2017-02-11T07:48:26 < upgrdman> found r2com's luggage  https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IMAGE-9-TOYGUN-COLOUR-feature-art.jpg
2017-02-11T07:48:28 < ohsix> muon tomography is the fancy term
2017-02-11T07:49:42 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul can you even imagine a normal security guard or whatever, knowing what the insides of $randomthing might look like
2017-02-11T07:50:09 < ohsix> I SEE WIRES
2017-02-11T07:50:17 < upgrdman> STOP RESISTING
2017-02-11T07:50:53 < ohsix> can't think of anything clever that might be in luggage of anormal person, but thinking of like, toothpaste dispensers or soap pumps
2017-02-11T07:51:02 < ohsix> can't have soap anyways so buh
2017-02-11T07:51:19 < ohsix> but they'll have weird shit in them, small personal white goods type crap
2017-02-11T07:51:39 < upgrdman> i gotta say, china's equiv of TSA was way more thorough at scanning my baggage than usa TSA
2017-02-11T07:51:40 < ohsix> electric toothbrush, but that's already got an obvious shape
2017-02-11T07:51:51 < upgrdman> they got really curious about my surface pro 4 dock
2017-02-11T07:52:00 < upgrdman> since it has blocks of metal weights inside it
2017-02-11T07:52:08 < upgrdman> they fucking xray'd it like four times
2017-02-11T07:52:09 < ohsix> 4 kwalitee
2017-02-11T07:52:20 < upgrdman> and asked me lots of questions
2017-02-11T07:52:45 < ohsix> i've handled one of those docks
2017-02-11T07:53:04 < ohsix> you know how people basically 'know' something is nicer if it weighs a bit more, or has some heft
2017-02-11T07:53:33 < ohsix> when you know it shouldn't way anything cuz it's just a fancy breakout box, having weights in it is laughable (it moving around on your desk aside)
2017-02-11T07:53:49 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-11T07:54:00 < upgrdman> but also they made it a brick so you can single-handedly plug in cables
2017-02-11T07:54:01 < ohsix> things that have weights added because they're cheap: airsoft guns, midi keyboards, surface bro docs
2017-02-11T07:54:15 < upgrdman> BUT those msft faggots made the psu a second brick instead of putting it in one box
2017-02-11T07:54:26 < ohsix> well i was thinking about a joke to make about apple not doing that shit, but they wouldn't make a dock
2017-02-11T07:54:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, apple makes LOTS of docks. they just call em dongles
2017-02-11T07:54:50 < ohsix> their devices have heft already, and they're actually trying to get the weight down olol
2017-02-11T07:54:55 < upgrdman> one dock per decive you want to use
2017-02-11T07:55:07 < ohsix> no apple fanboy, the joke just didn't come together
2017-02-11T07:55:30 < ohsix> haha wat
2017-02-11T07:55:37 < ohsix> director of engineering at dell followed me on twatter
2017-02-11T07:57:19 < ohsix> upgrdman: but still, adding actual weights to shit is almost 100% desperate
2017-02-11T07:58:07 < ohsix> little personal electronics may have actually undone that 'weight' ~= better assumption, if it ever meant anything
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2017-02-11T07:58:40 < ohsix> shit with a touchscreen has monster glass in it
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2017-02-11T08:01:24 < englishman> hi i have some good ones
2017-02-11T08:01:34 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/9PY2EIj.jpg
2017-02-11T08:03:17 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/FKs6jFQ.jpg
2017-02-11T08:03:25 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/EHa5SEg.jpg
2017-02-11T08:03:31 < englishman> he got really stoned and fell asleep
2017-02-11T08:04:33 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/PTXiqgG.jpg
2017-02-11T08:05:54 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, cat next to your sewing machine. poor kitty, what did you do to it. DIY castrating?
2017-02-11T08:07:10 < ohsix> i found out today that the guy teaching pi/python at the lab has a biggish youtube channel
2017-02-11T08:07:35 < emeb_mac> bet my cat had more toes than yours - https://www.flickr.com/photos/56315069@N00/108149012/
2017-02-11T08:08:16 < ohsix> had a polydactyl cat
2017-02-11T08:08:24 < ohsix> he got the feline aidz
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2017-02-11T08:09:35 < emeb_mac> mine had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy - common in maine coons
2017-02-11T08:09:53 < emeb_mac> but 22 toes
2017-02-11T08:10:31 < ohsix> lul http://www.danscourses.com/ ok, haha he's got a bunch of junk, this guy teaches the raspberry pi class
2017-02-11T08:10:42 < ohsix> shows off mame and how to install software and some other stuff, basically
2017-02-11T08:11:37 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/user/danscourses/videos guhuhuhu
2017-02-11T08:11:44 < ohsix> teaches networking junk at the college
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2017-02-11T08:12:23 < ohsix> emeb_mac: nice, when i was old enough to know that there was different cat breeds, maine coon was one of the ones i wanted
2017-02-11T08:12:45 < emeb_mac> they're big cats
2017-02-11T08:12:51 < ohsix> though not in oregon, they've got weird looking ones here
2017-02-11T08:12:59 < ohsix> yea they're boss as fook
2017-02-11T08:13:33 < ohsix> hm haha i didn't realize some were that large, they'd rival the dog
2017-02-11T08:13:35 < ohsix> could be fun
2017-02-11T08:13:50 < ohsix> i didn't get another cat after my pal died
2017-02-11T08:15:13 < ohsix> how much does that one weigh
2017-02-11T08:16:08 < emeb_mac> ohsix: he was only part - but was almost 16lb
2017-02-11T08:16:35 < englishman> that looks like a high quality kitten emeb
2017-02-11T08:16:38 < emeb_mac> would have been more if we'd let him eat as much as he wanted to.
2017-02-11T08:17:55 < emeb_mac> englishman: we said "when they were handing out brains he got in line for more toes"
2017-02-11T08:18:01 < emeb_mac> not super bright.
2017-02-11T08:18:35 < ohsix> how do you spot a dumb cat
2017-02-11T08:18:55 < ohsix> flailing and falling, but that can happen by accident
2017-02-11T08:19:04 < ohsix> their attitude is a good front
2017-02-11T08:19:13 < emeb_mac> "i meant to do that"
2017-02-11T08:33:49 < emeb_mac> define "normal"
2017-02-11T08:35:05 < englishman> they have the proper number of jellybeans
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2017-02-11T08:40:23 < ohsix> noice
2017-02-11T08:40:29 < ohsix> some pals in japan for some ddr thing won
2017-02-11T08:42:04 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/bemani_fr/status/830304027363586048
2017-02-11T08:45:42 < ohsix> http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/02/guilty_man_who_pulled_gun_out.html lul that fatness
2017-02-11T08:47:35 < ohsix> During jury selection, after listening to an afternoon of prospective jurors criticize guns during the voir dire process, Strickland decided to forgo a jury trial and instead let the judge decide his case.
2017-02-11T08:47:37 < ohsix> loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
2017-02-11T08:50:40 < upgrdman> coming to a Rossman soon  http://i.imgur.com/C8BhsI7.gifv
2017-02-11T08:50:50 < upgrdman> or Rosmann or however the fuck he spells it
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2017-02-11T09:02:28 < boB_K7IQ> ohsix what is the deal in that PDX gun article ?  conflicting dates...   July 8, 2017   etc...
2017-02-11T09:04:39 < ohsix> yea that's just an error, july 2016
2017-02-11T09:04:51 < ohsix> the picture of his ponch is golden
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2017-02-11T09:20:00 < ohsix> lul defensive people on twitter, hit them like a truck
2017-02-11T09:20:24 < ohsix> the character limit makes everything so biting
2017-02-11T09:21:04 < ohsix> you can agree with someone, but from a different perspective, and they'll take it like it was attacking them huhuhu
2017-02-11T09:21:58 < ohsix> shinzo abe <3
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2017-02-11T09:43:38 < psprint> what would you choose, Osciloscope or 3D printer, price is rather similar
2017-02-11T09:43:41 < upgrdman> nice http://imgur.com/3PzBTaf
2017-02-11T09:44:45 < englishman> riglol ds1054z or whatever is way better tan any $300 printer
2017-02-11T10:00:11 < psprint> what a thing.. 216 MHz M7, 512 kB of SRAM – that's F767 or similar STM32, fattest one, used to handle this not-at-this-level, loosy 320x240 camera: https://openmv.io/
2017-02-11T10:00:40 < psprint> and it could probably do better resolution, like VGA (can do it in grayscale), but they just depend on the SRAM of M7
2017-02-11T10:01:17 < psprint> at least they ship micropython and some vision processing techniques
2017-02-11T10:02:11 < psprint> and have small shield, that maybe can be plugged side by side with other shield, like some arduino compatible shield
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2017-02-11T10:21:49 < psprint> hehe ;)
2017-02-11T10:22:12 < psprint> didn't use it, couldn't use it because I need my 512 kB of SRAM, but otherwise, who knows ;)
2017-02-11T10:23:02 < psprint> they used overkill MCU, at least they utilize it with micropython
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2017-02-11T10:34:47 < ohsix> neato, tethered drones on rescue equipment, all remote control, drone gives scenario visibility, tether powers it from host
2017-02-11T10:35:08 < ohsix> psprint: oscilloscope
2017-02-11T10:36:15 < ohsix> 3d printing sucks in ways' you'll only find out after doing it for a while. you can do useful things, but it is very rudimentary
2017-02-11T10:40:29 < psprint> are much CAD skills required, is it difficult learning curve?
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2017-02-11T10:48:07 < psprint> learned Blender once ;)
2017-02-11T10:48:14 < psprint> seems to be related
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2017-02-11T11:08:41 < ohsix> psprint: well, you need things to print
2017-02-11T11:09:31 < ohsix> http://solvespace.com/tutorial.pl parametric cad thing that is small/cool
2017-02-11T11:09:46 < ohsix> people use openscad for mechanical drudgery
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2017-02-11T11:09:59 < ohsix> any cad package that does 3d will work tho
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2017-02-11T12:33:41 < psprint> ##electronics
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2017-02-11T12:50:03 < jadew`> any ideas if all THT resistors are built inside fire retardant material?
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2017-02-11T12:53:43 < jadew`> apparently not
2017-02-11T12:58:10 < ReadError> crt: did u watch the lrh ? loool
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2017-02-11T13:13:25 < jadew`> and it looks like I can't find a replacement resistor :/
2017-02-11T13:13:52 < jadew`> found some, but they don't meet the ratings of the original and the original is discontinued
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2017-02-11T13:24:59 < Steffanx> psprint, solidworks (expensive, but nice) is great too. Especially since there is a shitload of tutorials they provided for all kinds of levels, from high school students to higher school students :)
2017-02-11T13:28:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> I've only ever used inventor.
2017-02-11T13:28:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> Touched on openscad - it is an abomination
2017-02-11T13:28:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> I really want to like freecad, but it's different - more than creo
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2017-02-11T15:49:49 < psprint> No AC/DC 3A 5V power supply (wall mount) on Farnell, wonder why, I'll have to revert to fully local suppliers
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2017-02-11T16:02:27 < Laurenceb_> https://giphy.com/gifs/26xBJoBJMyIIKoGju
2017-02-11T16:11:49 < zyp> wall mount power supply?
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2017-02-11T16:50:04 < psprint> zyp: not the laboratory one.. maybe regular supply is called differently, I mean AC/DC wallmount 5V 4A
2017-02-11T16:50:45 < psprint> this is, as intuition should suggest, to power leds
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2017-02-11T16:51:17 < psprint> bbl
2017-02-11T16:51:43 < Steffanx> psprint, are you kakimir's brother?
2017-02-11T16:51:48 < dongs> clearly
2017-02-11T16:52:31 < dongs> this fucking tplink garbage
2017-02-11T16:52:35 < dongs>  reset all settings on firmware update
2017-02-11T16:52:39 < dongs> including its IP address
2017-02-11T16:52:46 < dongs> what kinda bullshti is taht
2017-02-11T16:52:53 < Fleck> ;p
2017-02-11T16:55:49 < Steffanx> stvn
2017-02-11T16:56:24 < Steffanx> Mars.
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2017-02-11T17:04:49 < dongs> at least im getting 24meg/sec after updating firmware
2017-02-11T17:04:53 < dongs> i dont think i ever seen that on wifi
2017-02-11T17:13:31 < kakimir> I found with one google search what is wrong with bluetooth mouse as it lags and disconnects every time wifi disconnects
2017-02-11T17:14:40 < kakimir> there is some "bluetooth collaboration" in network adapter advanced settings in these ultrathinbooks
2017-02-11T17:14:51 < kakimir> including surface bro
2017-02-11T17:16:17 < kakimir> disturb collaboration
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2017-02-11T17:21:45 < kakimir> I didn't have that in adapter settings..
2017-02-11T17:21:59 < kakimir> I try turnin bluetooth AMP enabled in wifi adapter
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2017-02-11T17:39:21 < kakimir> it seems to have removed mouse disconnecting every time wifi disconnects
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2017-02-11T17:40:02 < Laurenceb_> https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/02/10/2248255/first-gene-drive-in-mammals-could-aid-vast-new-zealand-eradication-plan
2017-02-11T17:40:12 < Laurenceb_> the Elliot Rodgers project
2017-02-11T17:41:53 < kakimir> interesting
2017-02-11T17:42:10 < kakimir> male gene virus?
2017-02-11T17:42:20 < Laurenceb_> sounds like it
2017-02-11T17:42:46 < kakimir> one gene switched doesn't sound like it would hold
2017-02-11T17:43:04 < kakimir> when it comes to probably hundred billions of mouses
2017-02-11T17:43:08 < kakimir> or more
2017-02-11T17:44:17 < kakimir> it probs will crash the mouse population
2017-02-11T17:44:27 < kakimir> but few years and it's back
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2017-02-11T17:53:38 < kakimir> crt: http://fi2.eu.apcdn.com/full/155657.jpg here is your cat
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2017-02-11T18:01:29 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/353eb8a9009daf9d69c51eaa37d2466c7646a395770cc9b078eec08853510382.jpg
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2017-02-11T18:05:00 < kakimir> with a glass of red wine.. why not?
2017-02-11T18:06:49 < kakimir> anyone have TE Connect m12 panel mount pcb connectors in shelf?
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2017-02-11T18:06:59 < kakimir> male female doesn't matter
2017-02-11T18:07:03 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/00f160d7a740c370d55307e7139be7e9487158f9fc88dc6c8f61a048a9f49c6e.jpg
2017-02-11T18:10:22 < Laurenceb_> someone from here?  https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a039c19a3e9dbfb7f208ccfb0ed8cdd659882046cfde1946743f5e9d97ff78cd.jpg
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2017-02-11T18:12:14 < Laurenceb_> lel same guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6tyBX1yClc
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2017-02-11T18:15:52 < kakimir> jesus
2017-02-11T18:17:01 < Laurenceb_> typical brit
2017-02-11T18:17:16 < englishman> found Laurenceb_ proj https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo_STus2eV4
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2017-02-11T19:02:27 < englishman> nice, water is flowing thru the emergency spillway at the tallest dam in the us
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2017-02-11T19:07:53 < kakimir> why not make electricity?
2017-02-11T19:09:54 < englishman> kakimir: are you kalsarikännit
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2017-02-11T19:12:53 < kakimir> I'm too poor to kalsarikännit
2017-02-11T19:14:06 < kakimir> it requires first 1) time at least one afternoon 2) 12 to 24pack of beer happen to be in fridge or on the porch 3) kalsarit
2017-02-11T19:14:38 < englishman> surely you have 3)
2017-02-11T19:14:41 < kakimir> I have only 3
2017-02-11T19:14:54 < englishman> you are 33.3% on your way to kalsarikännit
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2017-02-11T20:26:49 < Steffanx> with a banjo
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2017-02-11T21:20:57 < Steffanx> patented it?
2017-02-11T21:24:21 < englishman> R2COM: bet you didnt know im also pro irc vlsi engineer
2017-02-11T21:24:25 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/OKeSgYm.png
2017-02-11T21:25:09 < Steffanx> Java much.
2017-02-11T21:25:14 < Steffanx> ?
2017-02-11T21:25:50 < englishman> no, all of lunix looks that terrible.
2017-02-11T21:30:02 < Steffanx> and what is it englishman? Cat pic creator?
2017-02-11T21:30:27 < englishman> iirc 4+4bit adder and yeah from early on in university
2017-02-11T21:30:41 < englishman> like 600nm process
2017-02-11T21:30:51 < Steffanx> achso
2017-02-11T21:31:28 < Steffanx> Did you also make it, or was it just a design englishman?
2017-02-11T21:31:58 < englishman> no, just design and sim, but i did make a 300um transistor
2017-02-11T21:32:54 < Steffanx> How's it placing in canada today?
2017-02-11T21:37:14 < englishman> going great
2017-02-11T21:37:24 < englishman> the a/c is working so i have temperature control finally
2017-02-11T21:37:27 < englishman> and shit is working
2017-02-11T21:37:36 < englishman> consistently
2017-02-11T21:37:42 < englishman> my pasting skillz still suck
2017-02-11T21:37:57 < englishman> apparently, 20 defects per million pads is "world class" process quality
2017-02-11T21:38:01 < englishman> sounds terrible to me
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2017-02-11T21:56:08 < Emil> englishman: you saying that 20 pieces in a million or 0.002% is bad?
2017-02-11T21:56:18 < Emil> That's pretty damn good
2017-02-11T21:56:44 < Emil> If you are mass producing, even 1% loss can be just fine
2017-02-11T21:56:56 < englishman> seems like a lot
2017-02-11T21:56:57 < Emil> If you are doing expensive products you test them
2017-02-11T21:57:01 < Emil> no, it doesn't
2017-02-11T21:57:53 < englishman> that means any single bga178 has a .35% chance of failing due to solder pasting alone
2017-02-11T21:57:59 < englishman> if your shit is worldclass
2017-02-11T22:00:30 < Emil> Sure
2017-02-11T22:02:11 < englishman> dono seems high
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2017-02-11T22:04:25 < Emil> hmm, it could be better, I agree
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2017-02-11T22:38:47 < Steffanx> Grumpy pro grumping in on the students?
2017-02-11T22:38:56 < Steffanx> -in
2017-02-11T22:43:25 < Emil> R2COM: Who, student?
2017-02-11T22:43:44 < Emil> ah
2017-02-11T22:44:03 < Emil> I was momentarily afraid someone came to whoop my ass :D
2017-02-11T22:44:07 < englishman> i should remind the channel that R2COM's credentials are as of yet unverified
2017-02-11T22:44:19 < Emil> englishman: what are his credentials?
2017-02-11T22:44:24 < englishman> pro irc ee
2017-02-11T22:44:45 < englishman> hey are you the same emil as emilpa or emilspa
2017-02-11T22:44:50 < Emil> no
2017-02-11T22:44:52 < englishman> ok
2017-02-11T22:44:56 < Emil> My nick is always Emil
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2017-02-11T22:45:00 < Emil> or Emil_
2017-02-11T22:45:31 < Emil> englishman: where are you a student?
2017-02-11T22:45:36 < englishman> real pro irc ees can submit their credentials to chanops to attain the title of verified pro irc ee
2017-02-11T22:45:50 < englishman> i finished skool some years ago. but i went to university in montreal
2017-02-11T22:46:01 < Emil> >submitting crendentials for irc cred
2017-02-11T22:46:06 < Emil> >ttett
2017-02-11T22:46:51 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ
2017-02-11T22:46:58 < Emil> What do you mean with pro irc ee btw?
2017-02-11T22:47:02 < Steffanx> You can post them there
2017-02-11T22:47:43 <@englishman> everyone in this chan is a pro. and is a pro EE. and on irc. so this chan is full of pro irc EEs
2017-02-11T22:48:03 < Emil> WHat's with the sudden opping
2017-02-11T22:49:01 < Emil> If I ever was a mod on a freenode channel I'd just have an alternative account for it 
2017-02-11T22:49:16 <@englishman> im not an op, but i play one on irc
2017-02-11T22:49:23 < Steffanx> Emil, it wasn't his noice. I forced him to be one :P
2017-02-11T22:49:32 < Steffanx> *choice
2017-02-11T22:49:36 < Steffanx> lol. Can't type anymore.
2017-02-11T22:50:12 < Emil> but you can just control the chanserv with it, right?
2017-02-11T22:50:24 <@englishman> actually with simple +o you can't
2017-02-11T22:50:33 < Emil> oh, interesting
2017-02-11T22:50:36 <@englishman> chanserv has its own set of permissions
2017-02-11T22:50:55 <@englishman> so i can't for example tell chanserv to give me ops again
2017-02-11T22:51:05 <@englishman> once im deopped im once again at the mercy of evil steffans
2017-02-11T22:51:13 < jadew`> http://i.imgur.com/Zwz2YXR.jpg
2017-02-11T22:51:19 < Emil> oh I have everything but text disabled so I din't saw if Steffanx opped you or not
2017-02-11T22:51:38 < Steffanx> You cannot see it. You only see chanserv did it.
2017-02-11T22:51:44 <@englishman> technically chanserv opped me, but steffan told chanserv to do it
2017-02-11T22:51:58 < Emil> Hmm
2017-02-11T22:52:07 < Emil> But anycase
2017-02-11T22:52:17 < Emil> people seriously submit credentials on IRC :D
2017-02-11T22:52:59 < Steffanx> And then you have those who work for SpaceX.
2017-02-11T22:53:05 < Emil> Steffanx: who's that?
2017-02-11T22:53:12 <@englishman> ██████╗██████╗   ██████╗    ██╗██████╗   ██████╗   ███████╗ ███████╗ 
2017-02-11T22:53:12 <@englishman> ██╔══██╗ ██╔══██╗ ██╔═══██╗   ██║██╔══██╗ ██╔════╝   ██╔════╝ ██╔════╝ 
2017-02-11T22:53:12 <@englishman> ██████╔╝ ██████╔╝ ██║   ██║   ██║██████╔╝ ██║        █████╗   █████╗   
2017-02-11T22:53:12 <@englishman> ██╔═══╝██╔══██╗ ██║   ██║   ██║██╔══██╗ ██║        ██╔══╝   ██╔══╝   
2017-02-11T22:53:12 <@englishman> ██║██║  ██║ ╚██████╔╝   ██║██║  ██║ ╚██████╗   ███████╗ ███████╗ 
2017-02-11T22:53:13 <@englishman> ╚═╝╚═╝  ╚═╝  ╚═════╝    ╚═╝╚═╝  ╚═╝  ╚═════╝   ╚══════╝ ╚══════╝ 
2017-02-11T22:53:15 <@englishman> fff
2017-02-11T22:53:22 <@englishman> very nonpro
2017-02-11T22:53:23 < Steffanx> Better no try again. -_-
2017-02-11T22:53:24 < Emil> Oh btw I heard that with NXP you actually have C startup code
2017-02-11T22:53:27 < jadew`> that didn't look right to me
2017-02-11T22:53:29 < Emil> englishman: do it
2017-02-11T22:53:40 < Emil> but yeah, it also seem to be broken
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2017-02-11T22:53:51 < jadew`> you guys think this could be an issue? http://imgur.com/JFsxhjg
2017-02-11T22:54:02 <@englishman> nice
2017-02-11T22:54:13 < Emil> jadew`: nah
2017-02-11T22:54:20 < Emil> it's probably the aura around your device
2017-02-11T22:54:25 < Emil> You need to give it more energy
2017-02-11T22:54:33 <@englishman> is that meant to be a fuse
2017-02-11T22:54:33 < jadew`> thought so, I'll just clean it a bit
2017-02-11T22:54:35 < Emil> Try charging it with a microwave
2017-02-11T22:54:40 < Steffanx> I bet that happened because one of the resistor was reversed.
2017-02-11T22:55:14 < jadew`> englishman, sort of
2017-02-11T22:55:39 < Emil> Steffanx: nah, their ki was just flowing adversely
2017-02-11T22:55:55 < jadew`> Steffanx, haha good eye
2017-02-11T22:56:40 < jadew`> what I'm not sure about is the 0.012 shunt resistor that measures 0.024
2017-02-11T22:56:49 < zyp> Emil, what about C startup code?
2017-02-11T22:57:01 < Emil> zyp: with stm32 I see only asm blob shit
2017-02-11T22:57:11 < zyp> my lib is C++ startup code :)
2017-02-11T22:57:32 < zyp> ref http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/startup/entry.cpp
2017-02-11T22:58:57 < Emil> R2COM: why such negativity?
2017-02-11T22:59:35 < zyp> PRO IRC EE
2017-02-11T23:00:00 < zyp> although not so pro
2017-02-11T23:00:39 < zyp> hmm?
2017-02-11T23:01:35 < jadew`> englishman, http://imgur.com/a/0QStF
2017-02-11T23:01:47 < jadew`> it's meant to limit the RF current and feed it from the caps
2017-02-11T23:02:02 < Emil> R2COM: wat
2017-02-11T23:02:17 < Emil> R2COM: unemployment is nothing close to taxpayer's money or benefit
2017-02-11T23:02:25 < Emil> you pay for your unemployment directly
2017-02-11T23:02:36 < Emil> and they are organized through companies and associations
2017-02-11T23:02:49 < zyp> Emil, depends which country you're in
2017-02-11T23:03:05 < Emil> If you mean just basic support not tied to unemployment, that's a different thing
2017-02-11T23:03:29 < Emil> wat
2017-02-11T23:03:51 < zyp> pff, bet I pay more taxes than you
2017-02-11T23:04:59 < Emil> R2COM: >socialist
2017-02-11T23:05:11 < Emil> R2COM confirmed for not knowing what he talks about :D
2017-02-11T23:05:26 <@englishman> you just realized that now, lol
2017-02-11T23:05:27 <@englishman> :)
2017-02-11T23:05:49 < Emil> englishman: eh, I don't lurk
2017-02-11T23:06:52 < Emil> R2COM: based on that comment alone I can deduce that you have no real understanding on how government funding works, what's good for a nation and what is efficient regarding said funding
2017-02-11T23:07:06 < Emil> But that doesn't infer with your ability on EE
2017-02-11T23:07:12 < Emil> so I cannot judge you on that
2017-02-11T23:07:19 <@englishman> Emil: can't blame you for that, look at these amazing innovation chats youd be missing
2017-02-11T23:07:40 < Emil> englishman: I don't invest emotionally ;)
2017-02-11T23:07:57 < Emil> englishman: so I don't mind
2017-02-11T23:08:13 < Emil> hehe
2017-02-11T23:08:42 < Steffanx> oh no. we have another finnishlander here?
2017-02-11T23:09:14 < Emil> Steffanx: who's the other one
2017-02-11T23:09:15 < Emil> wait
2017-02-11T23:09:20 < Steffanx> You right?
2017-02-11T23:09:21 < Emil> jpa-: 
2017-02-11T23:09:22 < Emil> yeah
2017-02-11T23:09:24 < Steffanx> And we have many more.
2017-02-11T23:09:35 < Steffanx> Where kakimir is the most famous one.
2017-02-11T23:09:40 < zyp> Emil, what do you think about SMA connectors?  a) wtf?  b) they're nice for RF  c) put them EVERYWHERE!
2017-02-11T23:09:54 < Emil> Steffanx: torilla tavataan perkele
2017-02-11T23:10:11 < Emil> Don't tell me you are a Swede
2017-02-11T23:10:18 < Emil> KTH?
2017-02-11T23:11:02 < zyp> Emil, answer pls
2017-02-11T23:11:10 < Emil> zyp: what type of sma?
2017-02-11T23:11:25 < zyp> normal SMA, not RP
2017-02-11T23:11:31 < zyp> I think
2017-02-11T23:11:50 < zyp> didn't look closely
2017-02-11T23:12:20 < Emil> zyp: if it fits the spec why not
2017-02-11T23:12:24 < Emil> so I chose d)
2017-02-11T23:12:34 < zyp> that's not an option
2017-02-11T23:12:48 < Emil> zyp: you think you can limit me, on IRC?
2017-02-11T23:13:08 < zyp> of course :)
2017-02-11T23:13:10 < Steffanx> We need to know what box to put you into ..
2017-02-11T23:14:36 < Emil> R2COM: I know
2017-02-11T23:14:51 <@englishman> not another finn
2017-02-11T23:14:58 <@englishman> will we ever get a sweede
2017-02-11T23:15:10 < Emil> englishman: you think you can escape us?
2017-02-11T23:15:18 <@englishman> been working so far
2017-02-11T23:15:20 < Emil> Nokia is rising from the grave
2017-02-11T23:15:41 < Emil> Your good work gone to waste
2017-02-11T23:15:58 < Emil> Steffanx: but where are you from?
2017-02-11T23:16:14 < zyp> I'm just extending my sample size on my «study of finns' weird relationship to SMA connectors»
2017-02-11T23:16:19 < Steffanx> The 2nd best country, after the USA, in the world.
2017-02-11T23:16:24 < Steffanx> The Netherlands.
2017-02-11T23:16:41 < zyp> so far my conclusion is «they're not all weird», but that's only with a sample size of two
2017-02-11T23:16:48 < Emil> zyp: that doesn't disclose if your sample of finns like or not SMA
2017-02-11T23:17:20 < Emil> zyp: what's the alternative in your mind to SMA?
2017-02-11T23:17:27 < Emil> Steffanx: ulos
2017-02-11T23:17:34 < Emil> >USA 2. best
2017-02-11T23:17:40 < Emil> >ttett
2017-02-11T23:17:54 < zyp> Emil, any other connector
2017-02-11T23:17:59 < Emil> zyp: but so many
2017-02-11T23:18:07 < Emil> ask me comparisons
2017-02-11T23:18:07 < zyp> yup
2017-02-11T23:18:18 < Emil> And did the other finns like sma or not?
2017-02-11T23:18:26 < zyp> sorry, this is a blind study
2017-02-11T23:18:31 < zyp> you have to answer it first
2017-02-11T23:18:39 < Emil> Thanks for confirming that they like it
2017-02-11T23:19:12 < zyp> I didn't say that
2017-02-11T23:19:18 < Emil> You said enough ;)
2017-02-11T23:19:24 < zyp> as far as I can tell, jpa- got a fairly normal relationship to SMA connectors
2017-02-11T23:19:49 < zyp> I'm not sure I've ever seen him use one, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him do RF either
2017-02-11T23:20:09 < Emil> he's just capable of using the deadpan delivery to his advantage, hiding the addiction
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2017-02-11T23:20:58 < Emil> Anycase, after confirming what the group thinks SMA is kawaii <3
2017-02-11T23:21:15 < zyp> okay, so you should be grouped with kakimir?
2017-02-11T23:21:55 < Emil> Single variable grouping are inefficient in a multidimensional system
2017-02-11T23:22:01 < Emil> groupings*
2017-02-11T23:22:29 <@englishman> Emil: kalsarikännit status
2017-02-11T23:22:48 < zyp> so far I've only seen lines of text from you, lines are fairly one-dimensional to me
2017-02-11T23:24:12 < Emil> englishman: status ∈ [0, 1]
2017-02-11T23:24:25 < Emil> zyp: that's only the representation layer
2017-02-11T23:24:54 < Emil> zyp: that's analogous to saying that you can't transmit multidimensional data through a serialised one dimensional link
2017-02-11T23:25:50 < Emil> zyp: in uni/were in uni?
2017-02-11T23:25:54 < Steffanx> Yeah R2COM, lets talk about pro game developers. 
2017-02-11T23:25:59 < Steffanx> Those faggots broke my steam game.
2017-02-11T23:26:20 < Emil> zyp: we rarely hear from your uni
2017-02-11T23:26:30 < Emil> while we visit KTH every year and they us also
2017-02-11T23:26:43 < zyp> what are you even talking about?
2017-02-11T23:27:19 < Emil> zyp: please continue classifying me
2017-02-11T23:27:42 < zyp> why?
2017-02-11T23:27:56 < Steffanx> Yes, but last game update broke the game.
2017-02-11T23:28:16 < Emil> zyp: :(
2017-02-11T23:28:45 < Emil> Hmm, I should register a .ee domain
2017-02-11T23:30:55 < Steffanx> but then you need an english website aswell, not one in finnish like the current one
2017-02-11T23:31:29 < Emil> Steffanx: sure
2017-02-11T23:31:51 < Emil> Steffanx: It's in the works
2017-02-11T23:32:11 < Emil> Besides I sort of like being "mysterious"
2017-02-11T23:33:26 <@englishman> mysterious sauna person
2017-02-11T23:33:51 < Steffanx> You failed on that. Especially since you have a website, and other stuff ( photos included ) on the web.
2017-02-11T23:34:38 < Steffanx> </stalking>
2017-02-11T23:34:45 <@englishman> yeah but everything is just written using random letter generator
2017-02-11T23:35:28 < Steffanx> aka finnish
2017-02-11T23:36:19 <@englishman> steffan do you have a linkedin
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2017-02-11T23:40:51 < Emil> Steffanx: that's what I let you know
2017-02-11T23:41:05 < Emil> Besides stalking is fun on the internet :D
2017-02-11T23:41:32 < Emil> englishman: Now now, if you analyse a finnish text with statistics it's definitely not random
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2017-02-11T23:50:01 < Emil> R2COM: it's natural to want to know
2017-02-11T23:50:25 < Emil> It's up to each individual to not supply irc cred
2017-02-11T23:50:30 < Steffanx> Yes, you are WAAY better than us R2COM. It's weird you even what to share a room with is.
2017-02-11T23:50:41 < Steffanx> *us
2017-02-11T23:51:08 < Steffanx> dongs can be private messaged too
2017-02-11T23:52:21 < Steffanx> I even remember the first day we met. It was in #sparkfun. We had a fight. I never got over that.
2017-02-11T23:57:40 < Emil> Steffanx: hm?
2017-02-11T23:57:48 < Steffanx> uh?
2017-02-11T23:57:59 < Emil> >23:50:31
2017-02-11T23:58:07 < Emil> oh
2017-02-11T23:58:08 < Emil> misread
2017-02-11T23:58:09 < Emil> nvm
2017-02-11T23:58:19 < Steffanx> That time is in the feature..
2017-02-11T23:58:23 < Steffanx> *future
2017-02-11T23:58:34 < Emil> Steffanx: Come with me, if you want to live.
2017-02-11T23:59:00 < Steffanx> No. I don't like to be in the sauna, naked, with other men.
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2017-02-12T00:00:00 < Emil> Steffanx: you can have your swimsuit on
2017-02-12T00:00:03 < Emil> I don't judge
2017-02-12T00:00:15 < Steffanx> Only when R2COM will just too.
2017-02-12T00:00:33 < Emil> will just too?
2017-02-12T00:00:38 < Steffanx> join
2017-02-12T00:00:46 < Emil> I'm sure it can be managed
2017-02-12T00:02:13 < Emil> R2COM: you are saying that the Finnish Sauna is gay?
2017-02-12T00:02:18 < Steffanx> ^^ triggered.
2017-02-12T00:02:28 < Emil> Steffanx: #liipaistuin
2017-02-12T00:07:54 < Emil> R2COM: please advice
2017-02-12T00:08:03 < Emil> Because the Finnish Sauna is definitely not gay
2017-02-12T00:08:29 < Emil> Going there naked with other people of the same sex is not gay either, though some disagree with that
2017-02-12T00:08:58 < Fleck> so guys, I am using mcufont, the problem is that, fonts are .c, correct way would be including them in Makefile, but thats uncool, next way would be adding static keywords, thats also uncool, any neat way to solve this? I get multiple defs if I just include .c ofc...
2017-02-12T00:09:23 < Emil> Now, going there with an stm32 and trying to install one on the kiuas is definitely gay
2017-02-12T00:09:53 < Emil> R2COM: easily possible
2017-02-12T00:09:59 < Emil> And arrangeable
2017-02-12T00:10:14 < Emil> If you join me and Steffanx in one first
2017-02-12T00:10:22 < Emil> Or we can have them with us, too
2017-02-12T00:11:11 < Emil> Steffanx: where's your excuse?
2017-02-12T00:20:08 < zyp> Steffanx, you're such a prude
2017-02-12T00:20:23 < Steffanx> Absolutely.
2017-02-12T00:21:49 < zyp> Fleck, well, mcufont itself generates that fonts.h that's included by mf_font.c
2017-02-12T00:23:03 < zyp> but the whole mf_font mechanism is kinda retarded, so I'm planning to extend the encoder tool with a way to generate headers with external symbols
2017-02-12T00:23:41 < Fleck> zyp: yeah...
2017-02-12T00:25:02 < zyp> so far I'm letting mf_font include the fonts, but instead of using mf_find_font I'm now just declaring «extern const struct mf_rlefont_s mf_rlefont_DejaVuSans12;» manually in my code
2017-02-12T00:25:02 < Steffanx> did you just call something made by the almightly jpa- retarted?! :o
2017-02-12T00:26:27 <@englishman> i asked to join stm32 experts group on linkedin, do you think they will accept me
2017-02-12T00:26:36 < zyp> in my opinion, the right solution is to list the fonts you want in your makefile or whatever
2017-02-12T00:27:10 < zyp> so for my project, I'm going to add a scons builder that takes a font and builds a .c/.h pair from it
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2017-02-12T00:30:44 < Fleck> zyp: hmm what version do you have? mf_font.c does not include fonts.c here
2017-02-12T00:31:03 < zyp> #include MF_FONT_FILE_NAME
2017-02-12T00:31:21 < Emilgardis> Oh god, Konversations default regex for highlighting messages is terrible. Every message by Emil is marked red
2017-02-12T00:31:24 < Fleck> ahh, yeah
2017-02-12T00:31:48 < zyp> which is kinda stupid too, because scons' dependency tracking doesn't expand that macro
2017-02-12T00:31:51 < zyp> :p
2017-02-12T00:31:52 <@englishman> heh
2017-02-12T00:33:51 < Emilgardis> quick, what is the regex syntax for not matching something, ^ right?
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2017-02-12T01:34:15 < Fleck> zyp: so I added userfonts.h in fonts.h and in userfonts.h I add my custom fonts.c ... so that I can use mf_find_font()
2017-02-12T01:34:47 < zyp> that sounds like a roundabout way of doing it
2017-02-12T01:34:59 < zyp> each font in it's own translation unit seems much cleaner to me
2017-02-12T01:35:31 < zyp> and then just finding it by symbol
2017-02-12T01:35:51 < zyp> searching by name is more useful if you're selecting fonts at runtime
2017-02-12T01:38:52 < Fleck> I agree, it sucks, but, those struct names are crazy, I like mf_find_font(), and this is the only way I +/- like it :/
2017-02-12T01:47:37 < Rob235> if someone hiring asks for a resume do they imply a cover letter as well?
2017-02-12T01:49:57 < zyp> not in my experience
2017-02-12T01:50:09 < Rob235> ok
2017-02-12T01:50:18 < Rob235> just made a resume, hope its decent
2017-02-12T01:51:43 < Fleck> good luck Rob235! :)
2017-02-12T01:52:00 < Rob235> thanks
2017-02-12T01:52:30 < Rob235> still 3 classes to graduate but I'm hoping I can find a job without a degree but I emailed my uni to see how much it will cost to finish up anyway
2017-02-12T01:57:13 < Emil> Emilgardis: :3
2017-02-12T01:58:16 < kakimir> anyone had problem win10 taskbar not hiding when fullscreen video?
2017-02-12T01:59:12 < kakimir> oh I have to kill/restart explorer
2017-02-12T02:00:11 < Emil> kakimir: jpa- other finns, would you be interested in having a small workshop on getting started with stm32 for some students in Helsinki region?
2017-02-12T02:08:53 < kakimir> np
2017-02-12T02:09:07 < kakimir> Emil: tell me more about it
2017-02-12T02:10:13 < Emil> kakimir: so we have this student run electronics workshop at Aalto
2017-02-12T02:10:37 < Emil> and we mainly deal with just avrs because of ease of development
2017-02-12T02:10:58 < Emil> but we recognise that arm is way better and we'd like to branch out to it
2017-02-12T02:11:02 < kakimir> until you start to do actually something
2017-02-12T02:11:30 < Emil> avr's are easy af
2017-02-12T02:11:35 < Emil> Anycae
2017-02-12T02:13:01 < Emil> If youd be interested in running a workshop that goes through setting up a linux cli toolchain and cmsis or similar low-ish level environment and program a simple blinky that'd bw great
2017-02-12T02:13:23 < Emil> Without cancerous autogenerated makefiles
2017-02-12T02:14:32 < Emil> And perhaps some more advanced topics like using some peripheral and so forth
2017-02-12T02:17:30 < Emil> Like uart
2017-02-12T02:21:04 < Emil> >keil
2017-02-12T02:21:07 < Emil> not even once
2017-02-12T02:21:13 < Emil> it is gcc or nothing
2017-02-12T02:22:52 < Emil> Not sure if jokes
2017-02-12T02:23:24 < kakimir> he does
2017-02-12T02:23:36 < Emil> Never know on this channel
2017-02-12T02:23:53 < Emil> kakimir: what do you think
2017-02-12T02:23:58 < kakimir> I do not even know how to set linux-cli toolchain
2017-02-12T02:24:41 < Emil> oh
2017-02-12T02:24:45 < Emil> damn :/
2017-02-12T02:26:18 < kakimir> eclipse + openocd
2017-02-12T02:26:53 < kakimir> lpcxpresso
2017-02-12T02:27:04 < kakimir> + openocd
2017-02-12T02:29:42 < Emil> crt: keilcer
2017-02-12T02:31:33 < kakimir> why you want linux-cli Emil ?
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2017-02-12T02:31:51 < kakimir> of course it's the pro way
2017-02-12T02:35:46 < kakimir> I feel like all the things you need to get involved when you do everything manually is 
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2017-02-12T02:36:30 < kakimir> way too many irrelevant things too soon
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2017-02-12T02:39:51 < kakimir> dongs uses keil
2017-02-12T02:40:04 < kakimir> crt has a point
2017-02-12T02:47:02 < kakimir> let's get work done - with gcc
2017-02-12T02:47:08 < kakimir> said nobody
2017-02-12T02:48:18 < kakimir> with gcc meaning probs like bare to bones cli approach
2017-02-12T02:51:27 < kakimir> I use gcc with IDE too
2017-02-12T02:51:36 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-02-12T02:51:54  * Laurenceb_ has been lurning 2 drive
2017-02-12T02:52:46 < Laurenceb_> car
2017-02-12T02:53:07 < Laurenceb_> I managed to lose my L plates then flatten the battery
2017-02-12T02:53:28 < KreAture_> hey guys
2017-02-12T02:53:29 < Laurenceb_> no it wasnt that bad
2017-02-12T02:53:41 < KreAture_> I finally ran into an issue where stm32 just can't do what I need :(
2017-02-12T02:53:44 < Laurenceb_> but I left the heater on whilst I tried to find the plates in the dark
2017-02-12T02:53:51 < Laurenceb_> then had to jump start the car
2017-02-12T02:54:12 < zyp> KreAture_, congratulations
2017-02-12T02:54:32 < KreAture_> zyp I needed to create a very finetuned 40khz pwm for driving a piezo
2017-02-12T02:54:33 < Laurenceb_> also did the worst boy racer impression ever by missing gears and overrevving at 5mph in from of a load of drunk ppl
2017-02-12T02:54:43 < KreAture_> zyp best I got with the timer was 24hz
2017-02-12T02:54:48 < KreAture_> lol LeelooMinai 
2017-02-12T02:54:58 < Laurenceb_> everyone was taking the piss out of my piss poor skillz :-/
2017-02-12T02:55:02 < KreAture_> I think I can do it with external vco though
2017-02-12T02:55:24 < zyp> KreAture_, you can't abuse the PLLI2S?
2017-02-12T02:55:27 < KreAture_> Laurenceb_ my fav place is finestrat karting in spain
2017-02-12T02:55:41 < KreAture_> zyp hmm, that is not a bad idea
2017-02-12T02:55:59 < Laurenceb_> KreAture_: I did that using two timers
2017-02-12T02:56:06 < Laurenceb_> and master/slave mode
2017-02-12T02:56:16 < KreAture_> but the plan is to make an external error amplifier with a feedback signal to the vco so that once I set it to a good frq it will track within a region
2017-02-12T02:56:21 < Laurenceb_> that allows you to get very high precision
2017-02-12T02:56:28 < zyp> or if you're not depending on a specific sysclock, just tune your main PLL to divide cleanly
2017-02-12T02:56:48 < KreAture_> Laurenceb_ I needed to have phase and frequency correct pwm with two channels out, high and low drive
2017-02-12T02:56:54 < KreAture_> Laurenceb_ with duty cycle control
2017-02-12T02:56:55 < zyp> Laurenceb_, wouldn't it be jittery though?
2017-02-12T02:56:57 < Laurenceb_> you could probably synthesize PLL  with timer
2017-02-12T02:57:16 < Laurenceb_> zyp: yes, but you can filter that in analogue...
2017-02-12T02:57:17 < KreAture_> and the Q of the piezo is 800 so I need a redicolous frq control
2017-02-12T02:57:24 < Laurenceb_> depends what your requirements are like
2017-02-12T02:57:32 < Laurenceb_> simulate it in matlab first :P
2017-02-12T02:57:49 < Laurenceb_> I did OFDM using only timers that way
2017-02-12T02:58:01 < Laurenceb_> GNU-Octave for freetards like me
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2017-02-12T02:58:44 < Laurenceb_> wtf 800 is trivial
2017-02-12T02:58:56  * Laurenceb_ doesnt see any difficulty
2017-02-12T02:59:24 < Laurenceb_> my OFDM rx photodiode amp is narrower than that
2017-02-12T02:59:48 < Laurenceb_> its being used for underwater comms
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2017-02-12T03:00:38 < zyp> KreAture_, wait, you need 40kHz?
2017-02-12T03:01:26 < KreAture_> piezo drill
2017-02-12T03:01:34 < KreAture_> I need 36-41khz
2017-02-12T03:01:34 < zyp> that's 1MHz/25, you should be able to easily generate that from any integer sysclk
2017-02-12T03:01:52 < KreAture_> And I need to adjust frq by a very fine ammount
2017-02-12T03:01:58 < zyp> yeah?
2017-02-12T03:02:06 < KreAture_> at Q of 800 bandwidth (-3db) is 49hz
2017-02-12T03:02:26 < KreAture_> if I miss by 25hz I send half the power into load
2017-02-12T03:02:31 < KreAture_> vs if I hit
2017-02-12T03:02:41 < KreAture_> so it is tight
2017-02-12T03:03:37 < Laurenceb_> https://developers.slashdot.org/story/17/02/11/1841227/github-commits-reveal-the-top-weekend-programming-languages
2017-02-12T03:03:42 < Laurenceb_> matlab is no fun it seems
2017-02-12T03:03:50 < zyp> KreAture_, F4 will give you 10Hz resolution
2017-02-12T03:04:14 < KreAture_> zyp yep
2017-02-12T03:04:17 < KreAture_> still not enough
2017-02-12T03:04:26 < KreAture_> I have been looking at overclocking f4
2017-02-12T03:04:28 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-02-12T03:04:52 < KreAture_> still, I think the best solution is an analog pll where I track within a small region
2017-02-12T03:05:10 < KreAture_> mcu controls the ref voltage to the vco, and the lock simply tunes it
2017-02-12T03:05:34 < zyp> probably reasonable
2017-02-12T03:05:42 < kakimir> piezo drill
2017-02-12T03:05:45 < KreAture_> I'll have to use a triangle wave vco so I can use the two sides of the triangle to generate the complimentary drive signals
2017-02-12T03:05:57 < kakimir> what is happening here?
2017-02-12T03:06:07 < Lux> why not just use the 32bit timers ?
2017-02-12T03:06:13 < KreAture_> kakimir https://youtu.be/auqGkPJD-yU?t=33
2017-02-12T03:06:26 < KreAture_> Lux larger timers just means I need a higher inputclock
2017-02-12T03:06:30 < KreAture_> but there is one option
2017-02-12T03:06:38 < kakimir> mist generator?
2017-02-12T03:06:39 < KreAture_> Can I feed an external 1.6 GHz clock to drive a timer ?
2017-02-12T03:06:45 < zyp> good luck :)
2017-02-12T03:06:51 < KreAture_> kakimir mist is just the side effect of the test I did there
2017-02-12T03:07:00 < KreAture_> I put a droplet of water on the horn to see when it hit resonance
2017-02-12T03:07:10 < zyp> anyway, you could still abuse PLLI2S
2017-02-12T03:07:11 < KreAture_> It "came" at the resonance frq LOL
2017-02-12T03:07:12 < Lux> it just means you can run them at a higher freq to get the same output freq
2017-02-12T03:07:18 < Lux> as you don't need the prescaler
2017-02-12T03:07:20 < zyp> that'll give you control over both sides of the fraction
2017-02-12T03:07:35 < KreAture_> zyp hmm, you are right
2017-02-12T03:07:48 < KreAture_> that'd give me a way to generate the base frq better
2017-02-12T03:08:16 < KreAture_> I do not need more than 100 levels of pwm duty variation so even a 8 bit timer is enough
2017-02-12T03:08:45 < KreAture_> Maybe I have been going at this wrong
2017-02-12T03:08:46 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-02-12T03:08:54 < KreAture_> but still, external self locking design would be nice
2017-02-12T03:08:55 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-02-12T03:09:22 < Lux> 84 mhz on a 32bit timer will give you ~0.01µs resolution
2017-02-12T03:09:42 < KreAture_> zyp it will be hell to do the mult/div type fractional control though
2017-02-12T03:10:05 < zyp> yep :)
2017-02-12T03:10:22 < Laurenceb_> I'm very confused
2017-02-12T03:10:32 < Laurenceb_> 10hz, Q=800
2017-02-12T03:10:36 < KreAture_> Lux you think pwm resolution
2017-02-12T03:10:37 < Laurenceb_> something here doesnt match
2017-02-12T03:10:39 < KreAture_> I need frequency resolution
2017-02-12T03:10:57 < Laurenceb_> you could live with 40 or 50hz steps
2017-02-12T03:11:05 < KreAture_> 40khz at Q800 with impedance at 15 Ohm
2017-02-12T03:11:34 < Laurenceb_> why is impedance relevant?
2017-02-12T03:11:58 < KreAture_> both it's impedance and the driver impedance is relevant 
2017-02-12T03:12:12 < Lux> too lazy to calc that to delta hz
2017-02-12T03:12:26 < Lux> but i guess it turns out at around 10
2017-02-12T03:12:31 < KreAture_> I have swept frequency and logged power and I can clearly see how, at 24.6 Hz steps I move off resonance in just 1 step
2017-02-12T03:12:57 < KreAture_> since I need to keep power evenly delivered I can't afford to go off by that much
2017-02-12T03:13:09 < KreAture_> IN the video I step frq a bit and leave it just below resonance
2017-02-12T03:13:18 < Laurenceb_> then Q is closer to 2000
2017-02-12T03:13:27 < Laurenceb_> not 800
2017-02-12T03:13:38 < KreAture_> then I let the self heating of the piezo drift the resonance onto my frequency
2017-02-12T03:13:44 < KreAture_> and BOOM droplet is gone
2017-02-12T03:14:07 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-02-12T03:14:16 < KreAture_> are you using simplified equations from school ?
2017-02-12T03:14:19 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-02-12T03:14:23 < Laurenceb_> you need active feedback based on the impedance?
2017-02-12T03:15:31 < KreAture_> I change the drive factor based on the load
2017-02-12T03:15:44 < KreAture_> or the entire thing explodes
2017-02-12T03:16:24 < KreAture_> I need to apply a duty of 30% if I am close to (almost on) resonance and moving 24 hz away I need to apply 80% to get about same power
2017-02-12T03:16:53 < KreAture_> High power piezoelectric transducers are very very fiddly when they are installed in a mechanical horn type arrangement
2017-02-12T03:17:09 < KreAture_> Not only do you have the piexo to deal with but you have a very nonlinear dampening 
2017-02-12T03:17:14 < KreAture_> and it has multiple poles
2017-02-12T03:17:28 < KreAture_> one of which should coincide with the self resonant frq of the piezo itself
2017-02-12T03:17:43 < KreAture_> once you hit that, the energy is almost entirely delivered to the load
2017-02-12T03:17:56 < KreAture_> be off it and it reflects back into your driver and you need to back off
2017-02-12T03:17:57 < Laurenceb_> yeah this sounds very fiddly
2017-02-12T03:18:00 < KreAture_> or it goes boom
2017-02-12T03:18:13 < Laurenceb_> but as far as I can see you can get away with pwm 
2017-02-12T03:18:14 < KreAture_> say goodbye to your transistors LOL
2017-02-12T03:18:22 < KreAture_> yes I think I can but barely
2017-02-12T03:18:36 < KreAture_> but it seems better to coarsely set the working area with pwm and let the external pll adjust
2017-02-12T03:18:42 < KreAture_> would track fast and easy
2017-02-12T03:18:46 < Laurenceb_> you can get ~9.8hz steps
2017-02-12T03:18:55 < KreAture_> not good enough from what I am told
2017-02-12T03:18:55 < Laurenceb_> then dither as well
2017-02-12T03:19:06 < KreAture_> you can't dither
2017-02-12T03:19:15 < Laurenceb_> my first OFDM attempt used dithering
2017-02-12T03:19:16 < KreAture_> That sends energy missing the frq on both sides
2017-02-12T03:19:24 < KreAture_> and it is just reflected
2017-02-12T03:19:30 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-02-12T03:19:40 < KreAture_> Oh I forgot to mention
2017-02-12T03:19:44 < Laurenceb_> if you are using PWM you have tons of harmonics
2017-02-12T03:19:46 < KreAture_> in that video the powerlevel is 40 watts
2017-02-12T03:19:52 < Laurenceb_> which are going to miss anyway
2017-02-12T03:20:04 < KreAture_> I deal with those
2017-02-12T03:20:30 < Laurenceb_> ah you have a more complex driver circuit?
2017-02-12T03:20:53 < KreAture_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3nk1MZna0I
2017-02-12T03:21:19 < KreAture_> In that video I have not corrected the core of my filter so it heats up a lot
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2017-02-12T03:21:51 < Laurenceb_> ok so worst case
2017-02-12T03:21:52 < KreAture_> but you can see on the scope I get a quite ok voltage and current going accross the piezo
2017-02-12T03:21:56 < Laurenceb_> you dither +-5hz
2017-02-12T03:22:11 < Laurenceb_> 5hz for one cycle is 0.125%
2017-02-12T03:22:23 < Laurenceb_> do you really mind 0.125% wasted energy??
2017-02-12T03:22:34 < KreAture_> It is not in phase there so I am missing the resonance
2017-02-12T03:22:41 < Laurenceb_> noo
2017-02-12T03:22:48 < Laurenceb_> if you dither it is in phase
2017-02-12T03:22:49 < KreAture_> It will be quite easy to use the voltage/phase relationship to let a pll track in
2017-02-12T03:22:58 < KreAture_> sigh
2017-02-12T03:23:00 < Laurenceb_> I used dithering for my first OFDM system
2017-02-12T03:23:02 < KreAture_> I am talking about what i have there
2017-02-12T03:23:03 < Laurenceb_> worked fine
2017-02-12T03:23:09 < KreAture_> also, 40w is now
2017-02-12T03:23:12 < KreAture_> 200w is later
2017-02-12T03:23:15 < Laurenceb_> but master/slave worked with 0 cpu overhead
2017-02-12T03:23:34 < Laurenceb_> oh noes an extra 250mW wasted
2017-02-12T03:23:47 < KreAture_> that is not what happens in piezo territory
2017-02-12T03:23:57 < KreAture_> if I switch at wrong time I blow the transistors
2017-02-12T03:24:12 < KreAture_> even changing frq requires finesse
2017-02-12T03:24:17 < Laurenceb_> not on the timescale I'm talking about
2017-02-12T03:24:19 < KreAture_> dithering will be "fun"
2017-02-12T03:24:39 < KreAture_> it does when you have to change two dutycycles at same time
2017-02-12T03:24:40 < Laurenceb_> fractions of a % of a cycle
2017-02-12T03:24:49 < Laurenceb_> the dithers are _tiny_
2017-02-12T03:24:54 < KreAture_> I have two compare match outputs that need to be adjusted when I change frq
2017-02-12T03:25:24 < Laurenceb_> my OFDM was centered on 26khz, very similar problem
2017-02-12T03:25:31 < KreAture_> You had a single pwm
2017-02-12T03:25:50 < KreAture_> I run two by letting it count up and down
2017-02-12T03:26:07 < KreAture_> one is comparing to the peak and setting width there, other to bottom
2017-02-12T03:26:21 < KreAture_> That way they are always at opposite ends of the phase
2017-02-12T03:26:22 < Laurenceb_> no I had 16PWM channels
2017-02-12T03:26:32 < Laurenceb_> 8 carriers, 2 phases/carrier
2017-02-12T03:27:22 < Laurenceb_> a third way I could have done it was DMA into the timer reload registers, never tried that option
2017-02-12T03:28:19 < KreAture_> reason I am reluctant is my sims showed it would fuck up
2017-02-12T03:28:29 < KreAture_> and the initial tests I did fucked up transistors too
2017-02-12T03:28:42 < KreAture_> Only when I stopped trying to dick with the phasing did it work
2017-02-12T03:28:54 < KreAture_> remember I also have to balance another thing as there is a transformer core in the equation
2017-02-12T03:29:05 < KreAture_> I need to switch so that I balance the flux in the core
2017-02-12T03:29:21 < KreAture_> I cannot simply change the duty and frq whenever I feel like it
2017-02-12T03:29:28 < KreAture_> if I do that the flux walks and saturates the core
2017-02-12T03:29:59 < KreAture_> if I switch after a high cycle last time I must do so again next time so i do not create a bias
2017-02-12T03:31:29 < KreAture_> But I guess it is possible, it's just not easy
2017-02-12T03:31:30 < KreAture_> lol
2017-02-12T03:31:38 < Laurenceb_> tbh I'd go back to spice
2017-02-12T03:31:54 < Laurenceb_> spice is pretty accurate at modelling most stuff, dont know about piezo tho
2017-02-12T03:32:09 < KreAture_> The driver I run in the second test is after my last sims and corrections
2017-02-12T03:32:15 < KreAture_> that is why i know sims are accurate
2017-02-12T03:32:18 < Laurenceb_> easier than blowing transistors all day
2017-02-12T03:32:26 < KreAture_> I didn't do it all day I did it once
2017-02-12T03:32:27 < Laurenceb_> then see how muuch phase jitter it can take
2017-02-12T03:32:31 < KreAture_> and I did it to prove the point
2017-02-12T03:32:38 < KreAture_> It takes almost none
2017-02-12T03:32:40 < Laurenceb_> ten ur not going hard enough :P
2017-02-12T03:32:52 < Laurenceb_> I don't believe you
2017-02-12T03:32:58 < KreAture_> with my curent control it handles sudden load changes too
2017-02-12T03:33:02 < Laurenceb_> 0.125% phase jitter kills it? I think not
2017-02-12T03:33:13 < KreAture_> doesn't kill it but does NOTHING to help 
2017-02-12T03:33:26 < KreAture_> giving it two frequencys close together does NOT give it the right frequency
2017-02-12T03:33:32 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-02-12T03:33:48 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-02-12T03:33:53 < KreAture_> if the two frq's had been within some practical region of the bandwidth I am sure it would be fine
2017-02-12T03:33:54 < Laurenceb_> lurn 2 frequency and phase
2017-02-12T03:33:56 < KreAture_> but it's not
2017-02-12T03:34:06 < Laurenceb_> it doesnt really work like that
2017-02-12T03:34:31 < Laurenceb_> precise bandwidth is defined over a longer timescale
2017-02-12T03:34:35 < KreAture_> You need to give it more than a single high and low pulse
2017-02-12T03:34:44 < KreAture_> which makes it long enough
2017-02-12T03:34:52 < Laurenceb_> play with fft of waveforms in matlab
2017-02-12T03:35:25 < KreAture_> I use a spectrum analyser connected to my piezo to see which frq's it rejects
2017-02-12T03:35:36 < KreAture_> Rhode & Scwartz
2017-02-12T03:35:40 < KreAture_> love that thing
2017-02-12T03:35:50 < KreAture_> It goes to 6 GHz too which is nice
2017-02-12T03:36:03 < KreAture_> THis is the lowest application I ever used it for though
2017-02-12T03:36:14 < Laurenceb_> my raw pwm looks like an horrific mess yet its turned into lovely OFDM after soem analogue treatment
2017-02-12T03:36:24 < KreAture_> yes
2017-02-12T03:36:34 < KreAture_> if you can push the energy through some inductors that would help
2017-02-12T03:36:44 < KreAture_> I could do that I guess, use an output matching filter
2017-02-12T03:37:24 < KreAture_> The one I do use is mostly to handle reflections
2017-02-12T03:37:52 < KreAture_> I think the problem Laurenceb_ is the Q factor is linked to the mechanical q
2017-02-12T03:37:54 < KreAture_> Qm
2017-02-12T03:38:22 < KreAture_> as soon as they line up in resonance (I find it much much easier to drive the bare element vs the entire setup) The Q goes up
2017-02-12T03:38:39 < KreAture_> energy just disappears in a black hole there
2017-02-12T03:38:53 < KreAture_> It's kinda cool as I can measure the heating of the water
2017-02-12T03:39:09 < KreAture_> shows a nice metering,  calorific 
2017-02-12T03:40:31 < KreAture_> also, fft uses a window to calculate over, and as a result does not represent the actual frq and energy seen at any instance by a resonant circuit
2017-02-12T03:40:52 < KreAture_> it's a nice tool but it is trying to describe reality discretely
2017-02-12T03:41:48 < Laurenceb_> shit another irc legend bites the dust https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1378974
2017-02-12T03:42:06 < KreAture_> You need to dither at a very high rate for it to actually work
2017-02-12T03:43:02 < Laurenceb_> 17years based on chatlogs?! I'm in 4 life dude
2017-02-12T03:43:23 < Laurenceb_> sure you dither from one cycle to the next
2017-02-12T03:44:36 < Laurenceb_> http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=116008
2017-02-12T03:47:37 < KreAture_> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4802816/
2017-02-12T03:47:49 < KreAture_> Interesting, I'll download that on monday
2017-02-12T03:48:02 < KreAture_> See if the transitional code is important or not
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2017-02-12T03:49:02 < Lux> KreAture_: what are you trying to accomplish with that piezo ?
2017-02-12T03:49:41 < KreAture_> Lux drive it accurately enough to deliver over 60w power into a tungsten or carbide bit
2017-02-12T03:49:49 < KreAture_> which in turn will drill through ceramics
2017-02-12T03:49:52 <@englishman> zyp: dongs: aadamson: someone had a good idea, turn down pressure to dicknplace to make the feeders actuate 'softer' maybe that will stop parts bouncing around
2017-02-12T03:50:21 < KreAture_> fuck I hate login shit from ieeee
2017-02-12T03:50:26 < KreAture_> they fucking paywall open resarch
2017-02-12T03:50:29  * KreAture_ bypasses
2017-02-12T03:50:34 < KreAture_> won't bother waiting till workday
2017-02-12T03:50:42 < Lux> that's quite some power, i bet you need pretty high voltages for that too
2017-02-12T03:51:41 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/ultrasonic/FRQ%20dithering%20-%20conf016.pdf
2017-02-12T03:51:45 < KreAture_> in case you are interested
2017-02-12T03:51:59 < KreAture_> I drive the piezo at almost 200v yes
2017-02-12T03:52:21 < KreAture_> but that is mostly because I miss the frq
2017-02-12T03:52:25 < Lux> maybe you could use a dds chip for super accurate frequency, i guess cost doesn't really matter here
2017-02-12T03:52:59 < Lux> sure, thanks
2017-02-12T03:53:26 < KreAture_> I can deliver 40w on a simple 24v supply if I could hit resonance accurately
2017-02-12T03:53:52 < KreAture_> Laurenceb_ the pdf talks about dithering
2017-02-12T03:54:08 < Laurenceb_> I'm bored now sorry :P
2017-02-12T03:54:19 < Laurenceb_> been driving for hours, stressful
2017-02-12T03:57:15 < KreAture_> ahh I see the problem
2017-02-12T03:57:30 < KreAture_> THis paper shows their tests were done using analysers and looking at the distributions
2017-02-12T03:57:38 < KreAture_> I agree completely that yes you can distribute the power
2017-02-12T03:57:54 < KreAture_> but it will not end up in the load for a piezo as mechanical energy
2017-02-12T03:58:47 < KreAture_> I guess it disappears in the load as loss
2017-02-12T03:58:55 < KreAture_> instead of mechanical output
2017-02-12T03:59:52 < KreAture_> hmm
2017-02-12T04:00:02 < KreAture_> maybe I will try it again
2017-02-12T04:00:19 < KreAture_> I like where they talk about the responsetime vs q
2017-02-12T04:00:52 < KreAture_> Thay are right on that it takes multiple cycles for the piezo to respond so maybe it doesn't just disappear in loss
2017-02-12T04:01:02 < KreAture_> we'll see Laurenceb_ 
2017-02-12T04:01:09 < KreAture_> if I get it to work I'll tell ya
2017-02-12T04:01:11 < KreAture_> :)
2017-02-12T04:03:17 <@englishman> i added irc to my list of skills on linkedin
2017-02-12T04:04:09 < KreAture_> Only thing we use linkedin for at work is figuring out who not to hire
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2017-02-12T04:05:25 <@englishman> whys that? seems just as crappy as facebook, except without any nudes
2017-02-12T04:05:46 < KreAture_> we look at work history and connections
2017-02-12T04:05:53 < KreAture_> and drop ppl with too many of either
2017-02-12T04:06:13 < KreAture_> if a guy has had 4 employers in a year we are uninterested in training him
2017-02-12T04:06:22 < KreAture_> he'll just go when he gets another offer
2017-02-12T04:06:26 <@englishman> sure but wouldnt that be on their cv
2017-02-12T04:06:33 < KreAture_> usually they prune their cv's
2017-02-12T04:06:42 < KreAture_> but forget their historical links on linkedin
2017-02-12T04:06:44 <@englishman> so theres two reasons not to hire
2017-02-12T04:06:53 <@englishman> no loyalty, AND dishonest
2017-02-12T04:07:01 < KreAture_> jup
2017-02-12T04:07:29 < KreAture_> also, ppl that have 300 ties to high level ppl tend to be incompetent on technical level
2017-02-12T04:07:46 < KreAture_> and we have proved that multiple times
2017-02-12T04:08:45 < KreAture_> PPL that have been rubbing elbows with biglegues come crawling for a sales job at a small design company?  What did they do wrong...
2017-02-12T04:09:34 <@englishman> so its just another tool in doing your DD and not actually inherently bad
2017-02-12T04:09:55 <@englishman> like "he has linkedin = not gonna hire"
2017-02-12T04:09:57 < KreAture_> The platform is inself a rotten shithole
2017-02-12T04:10:06 <@englishman> sure, buggy too
2017-02-12T04:10:08 < KreAture_> oooh it is close to that
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2017-02-12T04:10:28 < KreAture_> Ppl not on linked in, we actually read their applications and not just resumes
2017-02-12T04:10:38 < KreAture_> ppl on linkedin we may never even look at their app
2017-02-12T04:10:43 <@englishman> heh
2017-02-12T04:10:57 <@englishman> because you reject faster
2017-02-12T04:11:06 < KreAture_> I've never seen linked in info being a help to any applicant
2017-02-12T04:11:27 <@englishman> do people actually send linkedin file when applying?
2017-02-12T04:11:36 < KreAture_> lol
2017-02-12T04:11:43 <@englishman> *url
2017-02-12T04:11:43 < KreAture_> email 
2017-02-12T04:11:44 <@englishman> whatever
2017-02-12T04:12:01 < KreAture_> They send in appl via email and the lookup to linkedin is scripted
2017-02-12T04:12:22 < KreAture_> probably illegal :p
2017-02-12T04:13:02 <@englishman> how many people at your company
2017-02-12T04:13:05 < dongs> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-police-anal-rape-suspect-truncheon-paris-officer-accident-sodomised-expandable-baton-theo-a7572581.html news for Laurenceb_ 
2017-02-12T04:13:07 < KreAture_> and ppl sending applications from their previous work email is also a sure way to get it binned
2017-02-12T04:13:12 < KreAture_> englishman around 600
2017-02-12T04:13:20 <@englishman> thats not a small design company then
2017-02-12T04:13:32 < KreAture_> problem is that is global
2017-02-12T04:13:38 < KreAture_> our office was 36
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2017-02-12T04:16:59 <@englishman> also whats up kreature
2017-02-12T04:17:07 <@englishman> still fpv'n?
2017-02-12T04:17:08 < KreAture_> ultrasonics!
2017-02-12T04:17:53 < KreAture_> https://youtu.be/auqGkPJD-yU?t=33
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2017-02-12T04:28:21 < Laurenceb_> lul accidental sodomy
2017-02-12T04:28:26 < Laurenceb_> happened at my school once
2017-02-12T04:29:05 < Laurenceb_> true story, someone "accidentally sodomosed themselves with a tennis racket in the senior common room"
2017-02-12T04:29:08 < KreAture_> fusili jerry ?
2017-02-12T04:29:25 < KreAture_> pasta sodomi in seindfeld
2017-02-12T04:30:09 < Laurenceb_> I saw them being taken away by paramedics with the raquet still in place
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2017-02-12T04:31:47 < Laurenceb_> another funny story: I was in the playground and we spot school bully with plastic bottle he's going to throw at someone
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2017-02-12T04:32:13 < Laurenceb_> so my "friend" decides to put me in a head lock and shout to him to throw at me
2017-02-12T04:32:24 < Laurenceb_> so he picks up a concrete block and throws it
2017-02-12T04:32:47 < Laurenceb_> hitting my friend straight in the forehead and putting him in intensive care for 2 weeks
2017-02-12T04:32:50 < Laurenceb_> funtimes
2017-02-12T04:33:01 < Laurenceb_> also epic karma
2017-02-12T04:33:05 < KreAture_> I remember climbing a tree in youth school
2017-02-12T04:33:14 < KreAture_> refused to come down when teacher told me to
2017-02-12T04:33:20 < KreAture_> so he climbed up to get me and fell down
2017-02-12T04:33:22 < KreAture_> lol
2017-02-12T04:33:24 < Laurenceb_> ur school sounds softcore
2017-02-12T04:33:44 < Laurenceb_> we used to go shoplifting for lulz every break
2017-02-12T04:33:59 < KreAture_> you can't go shoplifting in a concentration camp for kids
2017-02-12T04:34:06 < KreAture_> there is no shops
2017-02-12T04:34:09 < KreAture_> no public area
2017-02-12T04:34:19 < KreAture_> just a 18ft wall around everything
2017-02-12T04:34:26 < Laurenceb_> lul we went through hole in the fence
2017-02-12T04:34:33 < KreAture_> wall
2017-02-12T04:34:37 < KreAture_> no pussy fences
2017-02-12T04:36:28 <@englishman> walls work
2017-02-12T04:36:30 < KreAture_> The low side was on the front towards the highway
2017-02-12T04:36:40 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Laurenceb_] by englishman
2017-02-12T04:36:43 < KreAture_> That was just 9ft thing
2017-02-12T04:36:45 < KreAture_> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Huseby_skole_IMG_9903_rk_164543.JPG
2017-02-12T04:38:35 < KreAture_> behind the wall now: https://huseby.osloskolen.no/siteassets/husebyskole/dsc_0243.jpg
2017-02-12T04:38:52 < KreAture_> That looks like it is right after renovation of the playground
2017-02-12T04:39:25 < KreAture_> fuck look at that anti jumping swings!
2017-02-12T04:39:27 < KreAture_> wtf
2017-02-12T04:40:01 <@englishman> wait, youre .no
2017-02-12T04:40:02 <@englishman> ?
2017-02-12T04:40:12 < KreAture_> yup
2017-02-12T04:40:17 <@englishman> lol
2017-02-12T04:40:22 < KreAture_> omg look at the inappropriate new slide they installed!
2017-02-12T04:40:23 <@englishman> just because
2017-02-12T04:40:28 <@englishman> this chan is full of .fi and .no
2017-02-12T04:40:30 <@englishman> zero .se
2017-02-12T04:40:31 <@Laurenceb_> I'm not evil enough to be an op
2017-02-12T04:40:33 < KreAture_> see the yellow thing in background!
2017-02-12T04:40:36 <@Laurenceb_> no nbans sorry
2017-02-12T04:41:00 <@englishman> that does look like a very oppressive skole
2017-02-12T04:41:05 <@Laurenceb_> heh our school was a legit WW2 concentration camp
2017-02-12T04:41:14 < KreAture_> That slide was voted most imappropriate in a forum I saw, you "fork it" and slide down
2017-02-12T04:41:16 <@Laurenceb_> still had parts of fences and guard tower bases
2017-02-12T04:41:32 <@Laurenceb_> if you stood on a guard tower base you were gay and got a beating
2017-02-12T04:42:17 <@englishman> guess i underestimated how awesome my skoles were
2017-02-12T04:42:21 <@Laurenceb_> it was a proud school tradition
2017-02-12T04:43:02 <@Laurenceb_> one of the guys in our class was the great grandson of one of the prisoners :P
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2017-02-12T04:47:03 < KreAture_> and you wonder why it's fucked up...
2017-02-12T04:47:07 <@Laurenceb_> but in UK we call it a "POW" camp
2017-02-12T04:47:10 < KreAture_> we used to beat up shoplifters btw
2017-02-12T04:47:29 < KreAture_> I seem to remember them being shunned for being poor too
2017-02-12T04:49:56 <@Laurenceb_> despite the fact that they all had to do forced labour
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2017-02-12T05:02:34 <@Laurenceb_> https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/02/11/2111218/four-of-icelands-main-volcanoes-are-all-preparing-for-eruption
2017-02-12T05:02:45 <@Laurenceb_> Applehu Akbar writes: 
2017-02-12T05:02:50 <@Laurenceb_> literally news by trolls
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2017-02-12T05:35:46 <@Laurenceb_> world weekly nbews ftw
2017-02-12T05:37:36 <@Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bizm3UzIQAAPJ4g.jpg
2017-02-12T05:38:00 <@Laurenceb_> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_YJvargjuS7s/Sj6KtmUOltI/AAAAAAAAA1U/ejW1FyBJQRs/s800/WWI%20Bomber%20on%20Moon%202.jpg
2017-02-12T05:39:04 <@Laurenceb_> typical uk newspaper
2017-02-12T05:39:56 <@Laurenceb_> no thats a legit UK newspaper found in every shop
2017-02-12T05:40:04 <@Laurenceb_> but every single article is a troll
2017-02-12T05:40:24 <@Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Sport
2017-02-12T05:40:41 <@Laurenceb_> Defenders of the paper pointed out that it was not intended to be taken seriously.
2017-02-12T05:40:45 <@Laurenceb_> the troll defence
2017-02-12T05:41:50 <@Laurenceb_> UK invented trolling
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2017-02-12T07:31:14 < upgrdman> wtf is wrong with Charter. once a year they sent out flyers about how they upgraded speeds for no extra cost. then i never get it. when i call they stay it will cost more, then they say im on an old plan, then they say they can "upgrade" me to the current plan at no extra cost.
2017-02-12T07:31:49 < upgrdman> this has happened 3 fucking times in the last 6 years
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2017-02-12T07:42:20 < upgrdman_> for pumpers  http://imgur.com/a/15Bw6
2017-02-12T07:42:23 -!- upgrdman_ is now known as upgrdman
2017-02-12T07:46:25 < upgrdman> R2COM, nice. with intact primer and powder, right?
2017-02-12T07:49:15 < dongs> Brianna Wu is going to he the 1st M2F president of United states
2017-02-12T07:49:17 < dongs> aftetr trump
2017-02-12T07:49:58 < dongs> https://mic.com/articles/168041/trolls-keep-outsmarting-anti-harassment-tools-will-twitters-new-system-actually-work
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2017-02-12T07:51:35 < dongs> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Brianna_Wu most correct link
2017-02-12T07:56:32 < dongs> oh wow patreon takes 15%
2017-02-12T07:56:37 < dongs> for thier service
2017-02-12T07:56:39 < dongs> i had no idea
2017-02-12T07:56:39 < dongs> lol
2017-02-12T07:56:41 < dongs> thats a LOT
2017-02-12T07:56:48 < dongs> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Patreon
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2017-02-12T08:03:27 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/gallery/3DNJp
2017-02-12T08:03:30 < dongs> "The pace of innovation for abuse far outstrips the pace of innovation for good,"
2017-02-12T08:04:22 < dongs> upgrdman: lol
2017-02-12T08:04:45 < upgrdman> :)
2017-02-12T08:06:25 < dongs> more proof LeelooMan is a man
2017-02-12T08:08:42 < dongs> why is leeelooman supporting m2f faggots?
2017-02-12T08:17:46 < dongs> hjaha
2017-02-12T08:20:05 < dongs> lol
2017-02-12T08:20:08 < dongs> yeah that works but
2017-02-12T08:20:11 < dongs> only for really small projects
2017-02-12T08:20:25 < dongs> cuz dickstarter will try to charge that amount to your cc, do a temporary hold
2017-02-12T08:22:39 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/pwu9dyc843fy.jpg
2017-02-12T08:33:28 < dongs> keil 5.23 is out
2017-02-12T08:34:09 < dongs> wow what the hell
2017-02-12T08:34:11 < dongs> its 400megs bigger
2017-02-12T08:34:13 < dongs> than 5.22
2017-02-12T08:34:20 < dongs> lets see whats in release notes
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2017-02-12T08:35:13 < dongs> The ARM Compiler 6.6 can be used now with all code size restricted MDK-ARM product variants.
2017-02-12T08:35:20 < dongs> CMSIS 5.0.1 nice
2017-02-12T08:35:59 < dongs> Enhanced: printf support for Cortex-M0/M0+ based devices by redirecting the Event Recorder printf-Events to the Debug-Printf-Viewer window.
2017-02-12T08:36:03 < dongs> neat
2017-02-12T08:37:15 < dongs> but that still doesnt explain why its 400megs bigger
2017-02-12T08:44:24 < dongs> what is that shit
2017-02-12T08:45:57 < dongs> no
2017-02-12T08:49:46 < upgrdman> R2COM, humans present a capacitance too.
2017-02-12T08:49:55 < upgrdman> and at AC, that helps current flow
2017-02-12T08:50:33 < upgrdman> 48v kinda tickles my finger when i run my hander of a PCB using 48vds
2017-02-12T08:50:39 < upgrdman> *48vdc
2017-02-12T08:50:47 < upgrdman> *hand
2017-02-12T08:50:53 < upgrdman> R2COM, ya
2017-02-12T08:51:09 < upgrdman> unless you have super dry skin, you can easily feel 48v dc
2017-02-12T08:51:24 < upgrdman> R2COM, psu says board is drawing like 90mA on the 48v rail
2017-02-12T08:51:55 < upgrdman> doesnt change anything
2017-02-12T08:52:05 < upgrdman> thats current through the circuit, not your skin
2017-02-12T08:52:11 < upgrdman> prolly <1mA through your skin
2017-02-12T08:52:55 < upgrdman> true
2017-02-12T08:53:22 < upgrdman> i've stack like 10 or 12 of those 9v batteries in series and touch them with my left and right hand
2017-02-12T08:53:29 < upgrdman> kinda hurts but i survived
2017-02-12T08:53:41 < upgrdman> err *12 or 14 of those...
2017-02-12T08:54:03 < upgrdman> slight chest pains
2017-02-12T08:54:06 < upgrdman> so i stopped
2017-02-12T08:54:17 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, that's why i stopped :)
2017-02-12T08:54:45 < ohsix> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/uln2803a.pdf wat is a 'hammer driver'
2017-02-12T08:55:20 < upgrdman> ohsix, electric impact wrench thinggy?
2017-02-12T08:55:38 < dongs> damn, autism out in full force
2017-02-12T08:55:38 < ohsix> yea that certainly is a hammer driver, but 500ma isn't going to do it
2017-02-12T08:55:45 < dongs> leelooman vs AMP!six
2017-02-12T08:57:02 < upgrdman> R2COM, i didnt say 48v will hurt you. i said it tickles
2017-02-12T08:57:02 < dongs> oh never mind
2017-02-12T08:57:07 < dongs> keil 5.22 is 696meg
2017-02-12T08:57:12 < dongs> 5.23 is 737meg
2017-02-12T08:57:17 < dongs> i was looking at super old version that was 400
2017-02-12T08:57:23 < dongs> like MDK512
2017-02-12T08:57:32 < upgrdman> R2COM, trying taking a PoE cable and rub it on your ball sack.
2017-02-12T08:57:34 < dongs> before they added armcc-clang
2017-02-12T08:57:41 < upgrdman> we need to know. for science.
2017-02-12T08:57:51 < dongs> R2COM: ask leeelooman, he should have some experience with that
2017-02-12T08:57:53 < ohsix> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/uln2003a.pdf started with comparing the two thingies
2017-02-12T08:58:26 < ohsix> oh heh
2017-02-12T08:58:38 < ohsix> nevermind, obvious difference, 2803 has 8 of them, 2003 has 7
2017-02-12T08:58:51 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-12T08:59:00 < dongs> unless there's a hole tehre that says "stick your dick here"
2017-02-12T08:59:09 < upgrdman> R2COM, normal mouth breathers? i wont give them ANY pcb without an enclosure
2017-02-12T08:59:11 < ohsix> k nice, i thought the 2003 was annoying for 7 driver thing, 2803 ftw
2017-02-12T09:00:23 < ohsix> upgrdman: huhuhu http://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/what-is-a-hammer-driver.36186/
2017-02-12T09:00:39 < upgrdman> R2COM, also. wtf. 48V 10A is 480W. wtf would you not put that in an enclosure.
2017-02-12T09:00:55 < ohsix> guys' answer is good, too; daisy wheel / dot matrix printers
2017-02-12T09:02:15 < dongs> are you dickstarting something?
2017-02-12T09:02:25 < ohsix> there are patents and everything that call them hammers, from dat' typewriter nomenclature
2017-02-12T09:03:28 < ohsix> so what else is going on other than this bullshit
2017-02-12T09:03:53 < upgrdman> ohsix, just upload a new TelemetryViewer video
2017-02-12T09:04:03 < upgrdman> should finish processing in 10 or 20 mins
2017-02-12T09:04:05 < ohsix> like last 5 minutes?
2017-02-12T09:04:07 < ohsix> ahh cool
2017-02-12T09:04:16 < ohsix> i've been refreshing the youtubs to see if theres' anything to do
2017-02-12T09:04:33 < ohsix> i got a big bag of UV leds from ebay olol; dunno what i'm going to do with them
2017-02-12T09:05:06 < ohsix> and some wire that is supposed to be high temp, but basically explodes when you heat it up
2017-02-12T09:06:34 < ohsix> i made up the midi - trs cables on friday
2017-02-12T09:06:39 < dongs> what is ot then
2017-02-12T09:06:41 < dongs> it
2017-02-12T09:06:46 < dongs> is it work stuff?
2017-02-12T09:07:07 < dongs> but you are going to sell something that makes 48V/10A?
2017-02-12T09:07:07 < dongs> o
2017-02-12T09:07:18 < ohsix> hmm they're doing line following robot junk in the robot class on monday, those UV leds could make invisible lines follow-able
2017-02-12T09:07:24 < ohsix> also find semen spills
2017-02-12T09:10:08 < upgrdman> anyone know of high quality jumper wires for breadboarding? like gold plated or some shit. fucking china shit is oxidizing fast
2017-02-12T09:15:32 < ohsix> i use the dupont shit ones, they're doing ok
2017-02-12T09:15:48 < ohsix> have some f-m, f-f, and the weird m-m ones
2017-02-12T09:16:04 < ohsix> it's like a dollar for 40 or something, need to order more, giving too much of a fuck about separating them from the ribbon
2017-02-12T09:16:06 < dongs> stoner grow lights
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2017-02-12T09:16:30 < ohsix> upgrdman: for a while i was just using solid core wire and stripping as needed, shit is cheap
2017-02-12T09:17:19 < upgrdman> hmm these'd work if the dicks were a bit longer   http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/harwin-inc/G125-MW10300M94/952-2491-ND/3919346
2017-02-12T09:17:34 < ohsix>  http://www.ebay.com/itm/40pcs-Dupont-Wire-Color-Jumper-Cable-2-54mm-1P-1P-Female-Female-For-Arduino-/182386428139?hash=item2a771408eb:g:MqMAAOSw4A5YnuKJ
2017-02-12T09:18:10 < dongs> lmao that price
2017-02-12T09:18:17 < dongs> thats some bling bling jumper weires
2017-02-12T09:18:19 < ohsix> you can get housings that are 1xN or 2xN, when you need them in a set, rip off 4 and plug them into the 1x4 housing
2017-02-12T09:18:53 < dongs> yes
2017-02-12T09:18:55 < ohsix> you can't get too fancy upgrdman, the breadboards themselves are pretty shit
2017-02-12T09:19:03 < dongs> guarnateed to return silver button in less than a month
2017-02-12T09:19:33 < dongs> anyone know offhand if |'ing booleans in C is supported
2017-02-12T09:19:35 < ohsix> upgrdman: did you buy these or something http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-Motherboard-Breadboard-Jumper-Cable-Wires-Experiment-Test-Tinned-5CM-BBCA-/201650065646?hash=item2ef347d0ee:g:U60AAOSwnipWYVWx
2017-02-12T09:19:40 < dongs> im gonna guess yes so
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2017-02-12T09:20:37 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i've made those before. decent.
2017-02-12T09:21:00 < upgrdman> guess i could just get a grip of chinashit jumpers and consider them one-time-use
2017-02-12T09:21:09 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-12T09:21:12 < upgrdman> and store in a bucket full of dessicant
2017-02-12T09:21:16 < dongs> i have to admit i have never used a breadboard
2017-02-12T09:21:16 < ohsix> huhu
2017-02-12T09:21:21 < ohsix> we have a bucket at the lab
2017-02-12T09:21:23 < dongs> until not too long ago I didnt even know how it worked
2017-02-12T09:21:32 < dongs> like, that some rows are connected or whatever
2017-02-12T09:21:36 < ohsix> how are they oxidizing tho, none of the junk i've got even can
2017-02-12T09:21:38 < upgrdman> dongs, lol
2017-02-12T09:21:41 < dongs> dead srs
2017-02-12T09:21:51 < dongs> shit's way too pro for me
2017-02-12T09:22:03 < ohsix> the last link look useful for reverse engineering solderingshits tho
2017-02-12T09:22:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, the metal dicks tarnish. start to look like aluminum oxide grayish colore
2017-02-12T09:22:23 < ohsix> picture?
2017-02-12T09:22:35 < ohsix> the dupont ones are steel with nickel coating
2017-02-12T09:23:27 < ohsix> actually no worries, dunno what i'm even asking
2017-02-12T09:23:40 < ohsix> it's also pretty dry in oregon
2017-02-12T09:23:50 < ohsix> for all i know every single one would go to shit somewhere less dry
2017-02-12T09:24:39 < ohsix> ebay seems to have stopped having the weird jumper wires, they have m to m dupont
2017-02-12T09:26:36 < ohsix> https://www.seeedstudio.com/Breadboard-Jumper-Wire-Pack(241mm-200mm-160mm-117mm)-p-234.html these, they're kind of weird and a little shit
2017-02-12T09:26:51 < ohsix> but there's an assortment of lengths, the short ones are handy
2017-02-12T09:28:49 < dongs> how can anyone LIKE m2f
2017-02-12T09:28:54 < dongs> unless you're a fag yourself
2017-02-12T09:30:26 < upgrdman> ohsix, this is what i was talking about. this middle one. top and bottom are good.  http://farrellf.com/temp/jumpers.jpg
2017-02-12T09:30:39 < dongs> wow
2017-02-12T09:30:49 < dongs> upgrdman: stop buying garbage
2017-02-12T09:31:09 < dongs> < I'm coding STM32 right now
2017-02-12T09:31:15 < dongs> unlike 99.9% of the channel
2017-02-12T09:32:30 < c4017> anyone here used AAT3693 before?
2017-02-12T09:32:45 < dongs> buttery charger
2017-02-12T09:32:52 < c4017> yes
2017-02-12T09:32:55 < dongs> i used some random TPS part that i could actually buy from digikey
2017-02-12T09:33:06 < c4017> it keeps thinking there is no battery connected
2017-02-12T09:33:10 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> lol, of course - I guess I was being payed for good looks:)
2017-02-12T09:33:12 < upgrdman> prolly not
2017-02-12T09:33:23 < dongs> those fucking cringey smileys
2017-02-12T09:33:29 < dongs> good thing I have that faggot on ignore
2017-02-12T09:33:31 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-02-12T09:38:17 < ohsix> upgrdman: werd
2017-02-12T09:39:24 < dongs> leelooman only dates gay dudes
2017-02-12T09:40:41 < ohsix> dongs: each person in here now is only 0.74% of the channel
2017-02-12T09:40:54 < ohsix> there'd have to be more for it to be 99.9%
2017-02-12T09:41:21 < ohsix> upgrdman: that is pretty crusty tho eh
2017-02-12T09:41:33 < ohsix> did you store them in airtight container or next to alcohol or some solvent
2017-02-12T09:41:57 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya. tossing all of that style jumper. will crimp gold shits from now on, like that top jumper i made 3ish years ago
2017-02-12T09:42:03 < ohsix> lul ebay wifi otg endoscopes come with a wifi widget now
2017-02-12T09:42:50 < ohsix> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QGoAAOSwEzxYUOsq/s-l1600.jpg
2017-02-12T09:43:04 < ohsix> boxes to get a usb video class thing on wifi is interesting
2017-02-12T09:43:32 < ohsix> dumb as hell tho, guess cuz lightning connector / apple shit
2017-02-12T09:43:55 < ohsix> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/amAAAOSwa~BYUOs5/s-l1600.jpg olol but if all these phones on the same network can pick it up, cool http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AY0AAOSw-0xYUOs3/s-l1600.jpg
2017-02-12T09:45:50 < ohsix> looking at them again cuz brother apparently got one, and i want one on the 3d printer
2017-02-12T09:46:13 < ohsix> wifi makes it magic, probably one on the stereo microscope too ;D
2017-02-12T09:52:28 < upgrdman> R2COM, low voltage has different meanings to *electronic* and *electrical* engineers.
2017-02-12T09:52:46 < upgrdman> ELV is a term by/for electricians
2017-02-12T09:52:57 < upgrdman> not ASIC faggots like you
2017-02-12T09:56:45 < upgrdman> anyone know of male TRS (headphone) connectors that are *pcb mount* ??
2017-02-12T09:56:52 < upgrdman> e.g. dick hanging off the edge of a pcb
2017-02-12T10:04:46 < dongs> R2COM: LGBT is no longer politically correct.
2017-02-12T10:04:48 < dongs> you must use LGBTQIAPKC
2017-02-12T10:05:08 < dongs> Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersex, Asexual, Polygamous/polyamorous, Kink
2017-02-12T10:05:36 < dongs> ask leeloo
2017-02-12T10:07:40 < ohsix> upgrdman: check out sijosae
2017-02-12T10:07:54 < ohsix> there aren't any afaik, but he uses regular cable ones, you just solder them onto stuff
2017-02-12T10:08:18 < dongs> if you read the brian wu link i pasted, you would know. the only reason m2fs get thier dick chopped is so they could go lurk in girls bathrooms
2017-02-12T10:08:24 < ohsix> upgrdman: http://www.headphoneamp.co.kr/ftp/sijosae/Gallery/Accesary/ThumbnailPot.jpg
2017-02-12T10:09:02 < ohsix> you can also pot the thing with the plug if it is small enough (which is usually ez)
2017-02-12T10:09:45 < dongs> well, thats cute
2017-02-12T10:09:48 < dongs> explorer.exe just restarted
2017-02-12T10:09:53 < dongs> while i was scrolling code
2017-02-12T10:34:05 < upgrdman> so i just tried using my super-shit breadboard mic amp. works much better than expected.
2017-02-12T10:34:17 < dongs> LM31337
2017-02-12T10:34:48 < upgrdman> using it + telling anus sound card driver to use mic in as line in... less noise than using it as normal mic + doing gain in post production
2017-02-12T10:35:06 < upgrdman> MCP6002 isnt too bad i guess
2017-02-12T10:35:13 < upgrdman> not that vocal audio is super demanding
2017-02-12T10:35:53 < dongs> get a proper fucking usb audio interface + mixer
2017-02-12T10:35:53 < Fleck> gm! :)
2017-02-12T10:36:01 < dongs> and a fucking SM57 or somethin
2017-02-12T10:36:06 < upgrdman> dongs, ?
2017-02-12T10:36:12 < upgrdman> Fleck, gm == ?
2017-02-12T10:36:15 < dongs> upgrdman: instead of dicking with garbage, get a small 2-4 channel mixer
2017-02-12T10:36:19 < Fleck> good morning!
2017-02-12T10:36:23 < upgrdman> oh hai
2017-02-12T10:36:24 < dongs> upgrdman: gonna guess [good morning] for nazi germany
2017-02-12T10:36:34 < dongs> with phantom power and some xlr mic connectors
2017-02-12T10:36:38 < upgrdman> dongs, care to rectumend one?
2017-02-12T10:36:38 < dongs> and then just get a real mic
2017-02-12T10:36:45 < upgrdman> oh fuck that
2017-02-12T10:36:46 < dongs> upgrdman: behringer stuff is pretty legit and cheap
2017-02-12T10:36:53 < upgrdman> too much money for youtube fuckery
2017-02-12T10:37:20 < dongs> er i meant SM58 of course not SM57
2017-02-12T10:37:27 < upgrdman> are regular MLCCs bad for audio (microphonic) ?
2017-02-12T10:37:56 < upgrdman> sm58. wtf, im not doing KTV like some china fag
2017-02-12T10:38:04 < upgrdman> i just need a lapelle mic or equiv
2017-02-12T10:40:18 < dongs> http://samnewman.io/img/microphone.jpg
2017-02-12T10:40:20 < dongs> this is what you need
2017-02-12T10:40:23 < dongs> when you're a pro youtuber
2017-02-12T10:40:49 < upgrdman> lol fuck no. cant move around then. muh freedom of movement bruh
2017-02-12T10:40:52 < dongs> https://michaelhyatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/youtube-SKnkSfPOeaM1-1200x630.jpg
2017-02-12T10:40:55 < dongs> another view
2017-02-12T10:41:02 < dongs> but this gives ~pro audio~
2017-02-12T10:41:36 < upgrdman> so does my ass after too many burritos
2017-02-12T10:42:02 < dongs> what if you have 10k burritos
2017-02-12T10:42:03 < dongs> for FREE
2017-02-12T10:42:10 < dongs> would you drive a blue pickup truck to get them
2017-02-12T10:42:14 < dongs> from behind a shady hotel
2017-02-12T10:43:44 < upgrdman> lolwut. is that a reference im not getting
2017-02-12T10:43:47 < ohsix> lul borrowed brothers phone endoscope thing. it's really small, easily look at boogers
2017-02-12T10:44:09 < upgrdman> <ohsix> lul borrowed brothers phone endoscope thing. it's really small, easily look at boogers
2017-02-12T10:44:14 < upgrdman> lol classing bro6'ing
2017-02-12T10:44:17 < upgrdman> classic*
2017-02-12T10:44:45 < ohsix> it looks like blurry shit until you let it sit for a second, then framerate goe sup and looks p. good
2017-02-12T10:44:50 < ohsix> i wanna put one on the 3d printer
2017-02-12T10:45:30 < ohsix> just 640x480 but super small, can plug into otg port on stm32f103 blue boards
2017-02-12T10:46:22 < upgrdman> does this mean i don't get a ticket?  https://i.imgur.com/xVYQ4Nq.gifv
2017-02-12T10:46:48 < ohsix> no controls for aperature priority tho
2017-02-12T10:47:31 < ohsix> upgrdman: is that new, seems familiar
2017-02-12T10:48:09 < upgrdman> ohsix, new to me   https://www.reddit.com/r/noisygifs/comments/5tjd0c/wind_blows_18wheeler_directly_onto_a_cop_car/
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2017-02-12T10:52:00 < upgrdman> so op amp gain bandwidth product means like, if rated for GBP of 1MHz and i need like 50x gain, then my bandwidth will be -3dB at 20kHz right?
2017-02-12T10:53:27 < dongs> upgrdman: WARNING: ONLY GOOGLE AMP! LINKS AVAILBLE AS ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTION, CANNOT COMPUTE.
2017-02-12T10:53:54 < upgrdman> dongs be niggering tonight
2017-02-12T10:54:02 < upgrdman> make no gawd damn sense
2017-02-12T10:54:15 < upgrdman> i tell you hwhat
2017-02-12T10:54:54 < ohsix> you can look at your own ear drum
2017-02-12T10:55:01 < ohsix> it is gross
2017-02-12T10:55:34 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul i dunno but i have gayakwad's bewk, let me look
2017-02-12T10:55:52 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-12T10:57:47 < ohsix> upgrdman: yes
2017-02-12T10:58:16 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-12T10:58:18 < ohsix> huhu it makes sense that that is wat the gain/bandwidth product was but i've never had to think about it
2017-02-12T10:58:49 < upgrdman> well i might go for like 80x gain with my 1MHz op amp, but that's fine for a vocal-only lapel mic
2017-02-12T10:59:02 < ohsix> also they mention the 741 in this book, it's 1mhz
2017-02-12T10:59:12 < upgrdman> not like my vocal cord be jiggling at 20kHz
2017-02-12T10:59:15 < ohsix> o
2017-02-12T10:59:16 < ohsix> eh
2017-02-12T10:59:19 < ohsix> why so much gain
2017-02-12T10:59:29 < ohsix> i don't know what typical values are for that sort of thing, but that sounds high
2017-02-12T10:59:30 < upgrdman> shit sound card on my anus mobo
2017-02-12T10:59:39 < upgrdman> or shit sony mic
2017-02-12T10:59:41 < upgrdman> prolly both
2017-02-12T10:59:55 < ohsix> does mic have proper bias supply?
2017-02-12T11:00:03 < upgrdman> 4k7 to 50v
2017-02-12T11:00:05 < upgrdman> err 5v
2017-02-12T11:00:16 < ohsix> when i was looking for mics i saw a lot of clones of sony things that look like the one you have
2017-02-12T11:00:27 < ohsix> is it just 2 electrets or wut
2017-02-12T11:00:35 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-12T11:00:38 < upgrdman> mic isnt bad
2017-02-12T11:00:43 < upgrdman> i guess i just talk quiet
2017-02-12T11:00:57 < upgrdman> i mean im fine in person. but im not one of those fags that talks super loud in front of a mic
2017-02-12T11:01:00 < ohsix> you need a beard to clip a mic to, like me
2017-02-12T11:01:14 < upgrdman> god that pissed me off when my coworkers get all loud during a phone conference. 
2017-02-12T11:01:26 < upgrdman> jesus fuck, use your indoor voices kids
2017-02-12T11:01:54 < ohsix> i've had to start speaking louder cuz i've been working with people
2017-02-12T11:02:04 < ohsix> one dude is hard of hearing
2017-02-12T11:02:24 < ohsix> but even ~normal people, i talk way too quietly
2017-02-12T11:02:58 < ohsix> when you're recording / getting levels you'll probably want to speak up anyways lul, cuz when you're not, shit can vary a ton and you need a nicer mic to catch that much dynamic range
2017-02-12T11:04:19 < ohsix> i got some ebay mic things that i think have a 20dB preamp on them, and it gets average to like 300mV
2017-02-12T11:10:12 < ohsix> https://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX9812-MAX9813L.pdf ya 20dB
2017-02-12T11:11:12 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-3V-3-5V-MAX9812-Microphone-Amplifier-Sound-MIC-Voice-Module-For-Arduino-D-/112043444651 on these, got a few
2017-02-12T11:12:11 < ohsix> gain of 10
2017-02-12T11:12:26 < ohsix> +40dB would be gain of 100
2017-02-12T11:12:26 < upgrdman> :/ wish Charter would offer faster upload speeds. i pay $60/month for 100Mbit down, 5Mbit up
2017-02-12T11:12:42 < upgrdman> took 5 hours to upload that latest 4k youtube vid
2017-02-12T11:12:53 < ohsix> mines 3mbit and i forget what down, not 100 tho
2017-02-12T11:12:59 < ohsix> super class internet
2017-02-12T11:13:03 < ohsix> go to a library heh
2017-02-12T11:13:28 < upgrdman> at work i have 50down 50up
2017-02-12T11:13:29 < ohsix> there's probably all sorts of places that are faster, and the library is public access / probably ok to do regularly, also libraries need your patronage!!111
2017-02-12T11:13:34 < upgrdman> maybe i should upload from work, lol
2017-02-12T11:13:46 < ohsix> def
2017-02-12T11:14:22 < ohsix> 5 hours isn't so bad, just plan to make it public on a given day and make sure you'll be done a day or two before
2017-02-12T11:15:35 < ohsix> yep, hard 3mbit
2017-02-12T11:15:42 < ohsix> not enough to support the download speed even
2017-02-12T11:17:06 < ohsix> when shit is slow you gotta worry  about it failing too, bigger window is more agony
2017-02-12T11:19:34 < upgrdman> do sound card line in's have protection? e.g. line level is 1Vpeak... would it die if there overdriven briefly to 5Vpeak
2017-02-12T11:19:52 < upgrdman> e.g. wind on mic pushing it to clip
2017-02-12T11:19:54 < ohsix> they better, but i don't know
2017-02-12T11:20:04 < ohsix> check out uhh, the hdaudio spec, or the msdn whql specs
2017-02-12T11:20:09 < ohsix> they'll have requirements for shit
2017-02-12T11:20:14 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-12T11:20:36 < ohsix> and the mobo/laptop/whatever will comply with those to be whql whatevered
2017-02-12T11:21:40 < ohsix> oh also realtek hdaudio codec datasheets
2017-02-12T11:21:54 < ohsix> you can read any vendors ones, but i do realtek cuz i know there are a few and where they are lul
2017-02-12T11:24:19 < dongs> pro audio advice ITT
2017-02-12T11:24:44 < ohsix> k hdaudio spec only has sdo link ac specs, none of the codec shits
2017-02-12T11:29:11 < ohsix> alc885 sez AVDD is 5v and that's some sort of standard for them
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2017-02-12T11:32:17 < ReadError> greetings
2017-02-12T11:35:01 < ohsix> hm heh, whql doesn't have documentation broken out to the degree that it is useful anymore
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2017-02-12T12:17:11 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-4-1-5mm-Electret-Condenser-Microphone-MIC-Capsule-2-Leads-ACM-/221911521401?hash=item33aaf51879:g:ibwAAOSw~bFWG3ON hehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2017-02-12T12:17:22 < ohsix> we used these on a contract build thingie, paid a ton more tho
2017-02-12T12:28:02 < Steffanx> Install clang?
2017-02-12T12:28:35 < ohsix> clunge
2017-02-12T12:29:22 < Steffanx> Make clang your "ARM toolchain"
2017-02-12T12:32:25 < ohsix> there's an embedded clang thing that can target all of the arches at once lul
2017-02-12T12:32:37 < ohsix> http://ellcc.org/
2017-02-12T12:32:57 < ohsix> hm and a really fancy gdb build that can as well
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2017-02-12T12:56:13 < zyp> dongs, so, about board origin, do you always want it in the corner?
2017-02-12T12:56:35 < zyp> I have this board with origin in the center (because it's more convenient for me), would that be a problem?
2017-02-12T12:57:31 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I didn't ask you
2017-02-12T12:57:45 < zyp> and your answer doesn't apply
2017-02-12T12:58:48 < Steffanx> Ask in a public channel and you get a response from anyone ;)
2017-02-12T12:59:01 < ohsix> even from that monkey that fainted when he smelled his finger
2017-02-12T12:59:08 < zyp> well, I asked quite specifically about dongs' preference now
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2017-02-12T13:42:27 < dongs> zyp, er yeah i think you'll have to move it, bottom left is where it should be
2017-02-12T13:42:50 < dongs> unless you know how to make pnp output x,y based off left corner
2017-02-12T13:43:13 < dongs> theres a bunch of new options in 17.x csv output maybe its tehre
2017-02-12T13:43:26 < zyp> well, I only have 15
2017-02-12T13:44:02 < zyp> but ok, I'll move the origin before I export
2017-02-12T13:58:46 < dongs> whatsa  good design pattern to do hysteresis
2017-02-12T13:59:02 < dongs> i dont wanna do if foo > bla && foo <= blah - 10 type thing for everything
2017-02-12T14:00:40 < zyp> code pattern?
2017-02-12T14:00:46 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-12T14:01:34 < zyp> well, you need to know old state
2017-02-12T14:04:34 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/Q4pL1 <- something like this
2017-02-12T14:04:48 < zyp> that's maybe too simple to need a separate func even
2017-02-12T14:06:56 < zyp> wtf, I thought I had a fiducial footprint
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2017-02-12T14:09:06 < dongs> prettty sure i gave you one
2017-02-12T14:09:16 < dongs> the 1mm dot wiht liek 1mm border around it
2017-02-12T14:09:30 < zyp> yeah, I do have it, for some reason it didn't show up
2017-02-12T14:21:44 < zyp> dongs, is silk outside board region a problem? I got some pth parts that hangs over the board edge and their footprints have a silk outline, do I have to do anything about that?
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2017-02-12T14:35:14 < dongs> nope nobody cares
2017-02-12T14:35:20 < dongs> i got connectors and shit like that 
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2017-02-12T14:40:09 < zyp> ok, I think this board is more or less done
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2017-02-12T14:47:07 < dongs> nice1, got this code of 2 bools, if (bool1 & bool2) { stuff } 
2017-02-12T14:47:17 < dongs> fuckers got lucky
2017-02-12T14:47:24 < zyp> p&p files should be mm?
2017-02-12T14:47:27 < dongs> y
2017-02-12T14:48:25 < zyp> csv?
2017-02-12T14:48:28 < dongs> yes
2017-02-12T14:48:37 < dongs> 17.x also has checkboxes to remove all that garbagfe
2017-02-12T14:48:46 < dongs> like Padxd blahX all unnededed columns
2017-02-12T14:54:07 < zyp> ok, I mailed you a zip, does it look sane?
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2017-02-12T14:59:44 < zyp> hmm, I'll whip up a quick FFC breakout board too
2017-02-12T15:00:40 < dongs> looks ok
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2017-02-12T15:04:16 < dongs> zyp looks ok at a quick glance
2017-02-12T15:04:28 < zyp> nice
2017-02-12T15:04:57 < zyp> I'll just route this FFC breakout real quick and get you gerbers for that too, so I can actually hook up to the FFC port on that board
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2017-02-12T15:45:21 < zyp> dongs, there, sent you gerbers for that too
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2017-02-12T16:08:59 < dongs> https://medium.com/@hoffa/huge-list-of-cocks-6022ea2e33e8
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2017-02-12T16:15:04 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/ccbc87e4b5/2331.jpg
2017-02-12T16:17:57 < dongs> i dont get it
2017-02-12T16:20:44 < Laurenceb_> dey posted pepe
2017-02-12T16:31:21 < dongs> the fuk is a pepe
2017-02-12T16:33:38 < Steffanx> have you been out of the scene that long dongs? Pepe the frog?
2017-02-12T16:33:46 < Steffanx> Even i know that. Thanks to mr Laurenceb_ -_-
2017-02-12T16:34:22 < zyp> woah, you're actually paying attention to Laurenceb_ 
2017-02-12T16:34:28 < Laurenceb_> it's D E S I G N A T E D
2017-02-12T16:34:31 < dongs> laurence/bn/
2017-02-12T16:34:54 < dongs> Pepe the Frog is an anthropomorphic frog character from the comic series Boy's Club
2017-02-12T16:35:03 < dongs> gay?
2017-02-12T16:35:52 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-02-12T16:36:44 < Steffanx> I turned it into a game zyp. I click on all links and then i guess who posted it.
2017-02-12T16:37:07 < zyp> I mean, you could just blindly guess Laurenceb_ and most of the time you'd be right
2017-02-12T16:37:24 < Steffanx> Absolutely. but Sometimes it can be upgrdman too.
2017-02-12T16:46:41 < Laurenceb_> https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130629-0
2017-02-12T16:46:44 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-02-12T16:47:36 < Steffanx> uh what Laurenceb_?
2017-02-12T16:47:46 < Laurenceb_> http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/bane/images/2/21/Wreckage_brother_door.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20150703095141
2017-02-12T16:48:11 < Laurenceb_> baneposting intensifies
2017-02-12T16:53:53 < kakimir> nobody here understands baneposting
2017-02-12T16:54:27 < Steffanx> No one, but one, cares, kakimir ;)
2017-02-12T17:05:21 < kakimir> it would be insteresting to hear a short description
2017-02-12T17:15:04 < ReadError> Date:	Saturday 29 June 2013
2017-02-12T17:15:14 < ReadError> why are you posting some lame airplane accident from 2013
2017-02-12T17:15:17 < ReadError> fail to see any kek
2017-02-12T17:15:47 < zyp> apparently it's the airplane from some batman movie
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2017-02-12T17:17:36 < kakimir> same actual plane?
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2017-02-12T17:20:37 < kakimir> but didn't the plane split in 2 in the movie?
2017-02-12T17:21:56 < kakimir> http://www.baaa-acro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ZS-NVB-2.jpg
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2017-02-12T17:37:00 <@englishman> dongs: ???
2017-02-12T17:37:12 <@englishman> altidumb pnp output has same coordinates as board coordinates
2017-02-12T17:37:22 <@englishman> (unlike kikecad and other shitty wannabe eda programs)
2017-02-12T17:38:33 <@englishman> i see keil installer still doesnt support display scaling
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2017-02-12T17:42:02 <@englishman> one thing i hate about 17 tho is they changed the csv output format
2017-02-12T17:42:07 <@englishman> and dont let you export the old type
2017-02-12T17:42:20 <@englishman> so i have to manually edit the headers to get my shit to import
2017-02-12T17:42:46 <@englishman> very unaltiumlike
2017-02-12T17:42:51 < zyp> can't you just make some custom csv exports in the format you need?
2017-02-12T17:42:59 < zyp> that's what my last employer wanted
2017-02-12T17:43:10 <@englishman> new 17.x export doesnt let you rename columns
2017-02-12T17:43:28 <@englishman> the old one didnt either, but the column headers were standard for 10+ years
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2017-02-12T18:08:40 <@englishman> Yelling ‘I hate white people’ and punching one isn’t a hate crime, Canadian judge rules
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2017-02-12T20:33:19 < Laurenceb_> Cucknada
2017-02-12T20:35:36 < Laurenceb_> holy shit Kayden Clarke killed himself
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2017-02-12T20:35:45 < Laurenceb_> irc legends are dying off
2017-02-12T20:38:25 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/nx6Mg7Q.png
2017-02-12T20:44:03 <@englishman> looks like he was murked by cops
2017-02-12T20:44:07 <@englishman> whoever he was
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2017-02-12T20:52:00 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgflip.com/h7oq3.jpg
2017-02-12T20:53:48 < KreAture_> hoy Laurenceb_ 
2017-02-12T20:55:15 < KreAture_> Been reading up on most of the dithering stuff and the reason it didn't work for me was the update of the compare registers were fucked up vs the update of the counter top value
2017-02-12T20:55:21 < KreAture_> so I created duty glitches
2017-02-12T20:55:26 < Steffanx> look what i found Laurenceb_: http://i.imgur.com/eqNYHZ3.png
2017-02-12T20:55:47 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah
2017-02-12T20:55:52 < KreAture_> but that being said it is still harder to do as one has to update both the timers top value and the channels compare values
2017-02-12T20:55:59 < Laurenceb_> KreAture_: there is a setting to stop glitches
2017-02-12T20:56:03 < KreAture_> and they have to be updated at the right point
2017-02-12T20:56:12 < Laurenceb_> forgot what its called - shadow registers or something
2017-02-12T20:56:13 < KreAture_> I am running the shadow registers
2017-02-12T20:56:15 < Laurenceb_> ok
2017-02-12T20:56:42 < KreAture_> but what happened was my update was done so half my data was updated on next cycle and the other half was not
2017-02-12T20:56:49 < KreAture_> so I got a lagg there
2017-02-12T20:58:16 < KreAture_> anyway it will be possible with dma and precalculated values for the dithering
2017-02-12T20:58:53 < KreAture_> Then the update event can trigger transfer which makes them only take effect on the next update event
2017-02-12T20:59:07 < KreAture_> then they will all take effect at same time
2017-02-12T20:59:27 < KreAture_> alternatively I could have simply waited for an update event before I wrote the values
2017-02-12T20:59:28 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-02-12T21:00:32 < KreAture_> stm released a lib just now for duty cycle dither 
2017-02-12T21:01:17 < Laurenceb_> interesting, hadn't spotted that
2017-02-12T21:01:34 < Laurenceb_> maybe they saw my project...
2017-02-12T21:01:36 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-02-12T21:02:01 < KreAture_> rev 2 of their appnote came in jan
2017-02-12T21:02:22 < KreAture_> http://www.st.com/resource/en/application_note/dm00119042.pdf
2017-02-12T21:02:37 < KreAture_> initial publication was june 2014
2017-02-12T21:03:43 < KreAture_> I need to do frequency dither with update of duty to match
2017-02-12T21:04:02 < KreAture_> That will be fiddly as the duty won't fit when the frq changes
2017-02-12T21:04:09 < KreAture_> so it will have to be dithered as well
2017-02-12T21:06:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats duty dithering, I was also using frequency dithering
2017-02-12T21:06:28 < kakimir> was someone running stats for the channel+
2017-02-12T21:07:05 < kakimir> I see nicks rise and fall
2017-02-12T21:07:10 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/utilities/Timer.c
2017-02-12T21:07:14 < kakimir> in waves
2017-02-12T21:07:27 < KreAture_> well, I think it will be ok Laurenceb_ as if I run a floating point value as the required duty and frq, I can map that into the dither pattern upon generation
2017-02-12T21:07:45 < KreAture_> once generated I can keep the pattern continous untill next pattern is generated
2017-02-12T21:08:17 < KreAture_> using half transfer and full transfer flag I can then swap out first and second half of the pattern upon switch
2017-02-12T21:08:21 < KreAture_> should work fine
2017-02-12T21:08:50 < KreAture_> I am hoping this works as well as the theory for those israeli researchers
2017-02-12T21:09:14 < KreAture_> will be interesting to see if the energy buildup per cycle really takes 800+ cycles to do work
2017-02-12T21:11:20 < Laurenceb_> what are you building with the piezo system?
2017-02-12T21:11:40 < KreAture_> couple things
2017-02-12T21:11:48 < KreAture_> one is a drillpress type setup
2017-02-12T21:12:04 < KreAture_> other is a plastic welding jig (uses basically same drillpress setup)
2017-02-12T21:12:19 < KreAture_> and third is a head for the cnc so it can do the machining/drilling automated
2017-02-12T21:13:21 < Laurenceb_> ah plastic welding
2017-02-12T21:13:24 < Laurenceb_> nice plan
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2017-02-12T22:20:38 < Steffanx> I like how you always come up with those fancy project KreAture_ :)
2017-02-12T22:20:53 < KreAture_> Steffanx I don't do simple
2017-02-12T22:20:54 < KreAture_> :p
2017-02-12T22:20:57 < KreAture_> lol
2017-02-12T22:21:16 < KreAture_> but seriously there is so much cool shit to do, once you move away from blinking leds
2017-02-12T22:21:22 < Steffanx> Yeah, its nice :)
2017-02-12T22:22:08 < Steffanx> My issue with projects like that is often to translate the theory to something useful. Especially papers -> useful
2017-02-12T22:22:12 < zyp> I've taken the step to blinking oleds
2017-02-12T22:22:34 < Steffanx> Probably lack of knownledge mainly.
2017-02-12T22:22:37 < zyp> that gives me 18432 leds to blink, if I count every subpixel
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2017-02-12T23:32:45 < Steffanx> Stvn
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2017-02-12T23:43:16 < Tectu> trc
2017-02-12T23:43:58 <@englishman> crttu
2017-02-12T23:45:02 <@englishman> very low quality chats
2017-02-12T23:45:41 <@englishman> always
2017-02-12T23:47:09 < kakimir> your neighbour?
2017-02-12T23:47:33 < kakimir> what is that
2017-02-12T23:47:40 < kakimir> housefriend?
2017-02-12T23:47:43 <@englishman> not gay
2017-02-12T23:47:54 <@englishman> its like sauna friend
2017-02-12T23:48:23 < Tectu> lesson of the week: Never employ a lawyer.
2017-02-12T23:48:30 <@englishman> what why
2017-02-12T23:48:34 < Tectu> I thought I am a picky person when it comes to writing texts but jesus...
2017-02-12T23:48:40 <@englishman> more like: never employ a shit lawyer
2017-02-12T23:48:51 < kakimir> living in same house and referred as "a cigarete smoking man"?
2017-02-12T23:48:53 < Tectu> nah, he´s doing is job well.
2017-02-12T23:49:00 <@englishman> thats good
2017-02-12T23:49:03 <@englishman> he will make you lots of money
2017-02-12T23:49:08 < Tectu> sue all the people!
2017-02-12T23:49:14 < Tectu> nah
2017-02-12T23:49:22 < kakimir> I wonder how crt lives
2017-02-12T23:49:38 < Tectu> crt home
2017-02-12T23:49:38 < Tectu> http://orig07.deviantart.net/1af4/f/2010/170/8/b/hobo_home_by_husikam.jpg
2017-02-12T23:49:45 < Tectu> just one? I even gave you two, crt
2017-02-12T23:50:16 < Tectu> are you butthurt now?
2017-02-12T23:50:25 <@englishman> http://i.imgur.com/kVZA693.jpg
2017-02-12T23:50:32 < Tectu> lol
2017-02-12T23:50:56 <@englishman> saw lots of turkey tracks
2017-02-12T23:51:59 <@englishman> hunting season is soon, i will get my murder license
2017-02-12T23:52:15 < kakimir> cannuckstan speed limit
2017-02-12T23:52:25 < kakimir> pretty okay if it's miles
2017-02-12T23:52:59 < kakimir> civilized world units
2017-02-12T23:53:08 <@englishman> its for a gravel road kaks
2017-02-12T23:53:14 < Tectu> how´s money, englishman? Living the dream of having an assembly house yet?
2017-02-12T23:53:25 <@englishman> its certainly dreamlike
2017-02-12T23:53:42 < Tectu> let me know if you need to burn cash
2017-02-12T23:53:45 < Tectu> I mean, if you need a lawyer
2017-02-12T23:54:08 < Tectu> anyway, got a couch in my office now. Sitting there 2/3 of the day browsing 4chan
2017-02-12T23:54:17 <@englishman> yeah i got rid of office couch
2017-02-12T23:54:20 <@englishman> amazing productivity killer
2017-02-12T23:54:28 <@englishman> getting rid of chairs next
2017-02-12T23:55:02 < Tectu> englishman, you tell me that two days after I got the couch? -__-
2017-02-12T23:55:11 < Tectu> englishman, I certainly wouldn´t have acquired one then
2017-02-12T23:56:34 < kakimir> englishman: have I asked what region you live in?
2017-02-12T23:56:42 <@englishman> i dono
2017-02-12T23:56:43 < kakimir> like town, city such near?
2017-02-12T23:57:00 < Tectu> snowtown
2017-02-12T23:57:13 < Tectu> right next to frostbyte
2017-02-12T23:57:14 <@englishman> yeah i dont remember if you asked
2017-02-12T23:58:07 < Tectu> crack is much more pro, crt
2017-02-12T23:58:15 < kakimir> then I need to ask it to travel with googlemaps there englishman 
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2017-02-12T23:59:27 <@englishman> englishman's weather request; Quebec, Quebec (46.79999924/-71.37999725); Local Time: 4:59 PM (February 12, 2017); Updated: 17 minutes ago; Conditions: snow; Temperature: 18°F (-7.8°C); Feels-like: 3°F (-16.1°C); High/Low: 19/15°F (-7.2/-9.4°C); Humidity: 79%; Wind: East at 16 MPH (26 KPH)
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2017-02-13T00:00:48 < kakimir> quebec is like huge
2017-02-13T00:01:27 <@englishman> yes
2017-02-13T00:01:35 < kakimir> it's size of scandinavia
2017-02-13T00:01:45 <@englishman> but much of it is inaccessible by car
2017-02-13T00:02:04 < kakimir> much of it is untouched wilderness
2017-02-13T00:02:10 <@englishman> yes
2017-02-13T00:02:20 <@englishman> highly conserved
2017-02-13T00:02:42 < Tectu> > Writing GUI for some open source software that is CLI only
2017-02-13T00:02:52 < Tectu> > Guy complains that it´s MIT and not GPL
2017-02-13T00:02:55 < kakimir> are those towns in the middle of nowhere some indian towns?
2017-02-13T00:03:29 <@englishman> there are even some fjords too https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1132/5104402675_41a18ee643_z.jpg
2017-02-13T00:03:35 <@englishman> yes kakimir 
2017-02-13T00:03:42 <@englishman> very isolated
2017-02-13T00:04:04 < kakimir> where Indians have their last stand
2017-02-13T00:04:07 < zyp> is that some norway wannabe?
2017-02-13T00:04:14 < kakimir> because nobody bothers
2017-02-13T00:04:32 < Tectu> https://www.swissinfo.ch/image/42540222/3x2/305/203/eb41e45049aa7943c31fb8de2bc307e/Dp/290232170-jpg.jpg
2017-02-13T00:05:32 <@englishman> actually kaks the indians teamed up with the french and kept the english out for centuries
2017-02-13T00:05:43 <@englishman> til the redcoats came in and just killed everyone
2017-02-13T00:06:05 < kakimir> redcoats mean englishmen?
2017-02-13T00:06:09 <@englishman> yes
2017-02-13T00:06:16 < kakimir> interesting
2017-02-13T00:07:26 <@englishman> finally in 1759 the british made a big attack in quebec city and everyone died on both sides, so theres some cool paintings and old cannons and stuff now
2017-02-13T00:08:11 < kakimir> nobody won?
2017-02-13T00:08:21 <@englishman> the english won a few years later
2017-02-13T00:08:56 <@englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Years%27_War
2017-02-13T00:09:22 <@englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_War
2017-02-13T00:09:23 < kakimir> there is a massive ring shaped lake in there
2017-02-13T00:09:53 <@englishman> yeah thats a crater
2017-02-13T00:10:04 <@englishman> if you look a bit to the west theres two lakes that are kind of linear
2017-02-13T00:10:12 <@englishman> thats the ring of an even older and bigger crater
2017-02-13T00:11:44 < kakimir> now where I can see your house?
2017-02-13T00:11:49 <@englishman> some of the oldest mountains and stuff here
2017-02-13T00:11:58 <@englishman> so theyre small
2017-02-13T00:12:50 <@englishman> the house is on the south side of the river near quebec city
2017-02-13T00:13:18 < kakimir> villa de quebec?
2017-02-13T00:13:21 <@englishman> yea
2017-02-13T00:14:13 < kakimir> directly south how many kilometers?
2017-02-13T00:14:45 <@englishman> hmm
2017-02-13T00:14:54 <@englishman> 0-15
2017-02-13T00:15:01 <@englishman> not that far
2017-02-13T00:15:48 < kakimir> these names are french
2017-02-13T00:15:54 < kakimir> can you speak french?
2017-02-13T00:16:00 <@englishman> oui
2017-02-13T00:16:26 < kakimir> Saint-Lamber de-Lauzon
2017-02-13T00:16:29 <@englishman> around here it's only french
2017-02-13T00:16:31 < Tectu> tout le monde parle francais, non? Ou est-ce que c´est que moi, englishman et mitrax ici?
2017-02-13T00:16:44 <@englishman> ben oui plein de francos toujous
2017-02-13T00:16:54 < Tectu> c´est bien, j´aime beaucoup
2017-02-13T00:16:59 <@englishman> further to the west in montreal there are lots of english
2017-02-13T00:17:11 <@englishman> but they're boring and fat and speak too slow
2017-02-13T00:17:39 <@englishman> and have low quality beer and poutine
2017-02-13T00:19:26 < kakimir> so are you english descendant or french descendant englishman ?
2017-02-13T00:19:34 <@englishman> yes
2017-02-13T00:20:01 <@englishman> thats enough dox for one day
2017-02-13T00:20:06 < kakimir> what does your nick reflect?
2017-02-13T00:20:08 <@englishman> are you mongolian or pure russian
2017-02-13T00:20:29 < kakimir> pure mongolian
2017-02-13T00:20:51 < Tectu> in that case crt is pure prisoner?
2017-02-13T00:21:56 < Tectu> fell for that jailbait?
2017-02-13T00:22:25 <@englishman> saw a bunch of turkey tracks in the snow
2017-02-13T00:22:27 < Tectu> just don´t drop the soap
2017-02-13T00:22:34 <@englishman> turns out i can take the turkey murder course online
2017-02-13T00:23:48 < kakimir> you have turkey running free there?
2017-02-13T00:26:56 <@englishman> wild turkeys and wild kittens
2017-02-13T00:33:13 < Steffanx> Oh crt got his degree with hounours in prision
2017-02-13T00:33:38 < Steffanx> Is it also a mental institute?
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2017-02-13T00:39:21 < Steffanx> Where is crt?
2017-02-13T00:40:15 < Tectu> he´s currently teaching me history
2017-02-13T00:40:52 < Steffanx> What history? His pumping history?
2017-02-13T00:41:07 < Steffanx> Or his browser history?
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2017-02-13T00:42:09 < Tectu> no, why japanese people apparently hate chinese people
2017-02-13T00:42:16 < Tectu> err, the other way around
2017-02-13T00:42:31 < Steffanx> Lol why would you trust an aussie on that?
2017-02-13T00:43:17 < Tectu> because he just told me to google it
2017-02-13T00:43:30 < Steffannn>  Oh google.
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2017-02-13T01:02:09 < Steffannn> You made Tectu leave
2017-02-13T01:03:44 < zyp> Stefannnnnn
2017-02-13T01:04:02 < ohsix> https://books.google.com/books?id=WeWYwvrsEaMC&lpg=PP1&pg=PR13#v=onepage&q=serious%20gum%20disease&f=false
2017-02-13T01:04:05 < ohsix> lul
2017-02-13T01:04:36 < ohsix> one does not merely go to bed
2017-02-13T01:10:23 <@englishman> zyp are you on linked in
2017-02-13T01:10:38 <@englishman> crt same
2017-02-13T01:11:49 < zyp> englishman, depends on your definition
2017-02-13T01:11:58 < zyp> I've got an account, but I don't use it
2017-02-13T01:12:15 < zyp> the whole shit seems too spammy
2017-02-13T01:12:15 <@englishman> seems a lot of people do the same
2017-02-13T01:12:43 <@englishman> yeah im unable to use facebook for the same reason
2017-02-13T01:12:56 <@englishman> but someone told me it was 'facebook for people who work' so i signed up
2017-02-13T01:13:16 <@englishman> and i gues it kind of is, a pal is now a nuclear tech in .ro
2017-02-13T01:33:49 < KreAture_> hey Laurenceb_ I think this just got complicated
2017-02-13T01:34:35 < KreAture_> Laurenceb_ To update the timebase, as well as the compare registers of two outputs I'll have to use 3 dma channels
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2017-02-13T01:41:52 < KreAture_> Laurenceb_ TIM2_UP only goes to one dma channel, not sure how I can trigger multiple dma's with it
2017-02-13T01:42:55 < dongs> <@englishman> one thing i hate about 17 tho is they changed the csv output format
2017-02-13T01:42:58 < dongs> <@englishman> and dont let you export the old type
2017-02-13T01:43:09 < dongs> you can re-create old type just by selecting columns + order of them
2017-02-13T01:43:24 < dongs> but you still need to trim the ~8 lines of shit from top of "CSV" which are not actually comma-separated
2017-02-13T01:43:32 < zyp> heh
2017-02-13T01:43:59 <@englishman> yeah but the column names have changed
2017-02-13T01:44:52 < dongs> Oh, Midx/MidY
2017-02-13T01:44:57 < dongs> to Center
2017-02-13T01:45:16 <@englishman> yea
2017-02-13T01:45:19 <@englishman> Center X(mm)
2017-02-13T01:46:34 < zyp> can't you configure that in your P&P software what to expect?
2017-02-13T01:47:44 <@englishman> closedsores
2017-02-13T01:47:53 <@englishman> and no
2017-02-13T01:47:57 <@englishman> so just quickly edit in notepad
2017-02-13T01:48:04 < zyp> heh
2017-02-13T01:48:12 <@englishman> well it takes altium format
2017-02-13T01:48:16 < zyp> in that case I'd probably write a script to autoconvert
2017-02-13T01:48:17 <@englishman> and now altium changed the format
2017-02-13T01:48:37 < KreAture_> hoy dongs 
2017-02-13T01:48:45 < KreAture_> kittens and puppies, where do you stand ?
2017-02-13T01:49:06 < zyp> englishman, how much hassle is it to set up the p&p for a new board btw?
2017-02-13T01:49:13 < KreAture_> lol
2017-02-13T01:49:49 < zyp> do you need to fuck around much getting component rotation right?
2017-02-13T01:49:53 < KreAture_> seriously dongs, dma transfer to update TIM2 timebase as well as channel 1 and 2 duty cycle...
2017-02-13T01:50:00 <@englishman> yeah, but thats fixed in a new version of the firmware
2017-02-13T01:50:06 <@englishman> so no, not really
2017-02-13T01:50:13 <@englishman> er software
2017-02-13T01:50:31 < zyp> huh?
2017-02-13T01:50:34 <@englishman> you just set component rotation per feeder
2017-02-13T01:50:41 <@englishman> to match whatever the footprint is
2017-02-13T01:50:54 <@englishman> then the pnp file has rotation from your footprint orientation
2017-02-13T01:50:57 < dongs> KreAture_: isn't there a special register for that
2017-02-13T01:51:01 < dongs> in timers
2017-02-13T01:51:10 < KreAture_> just make sure your components coordinates of rotation match how you will pick em up...
2017-02-13T01:51:21 <@englishman> tbh pick and place heights are the bigger pain, because there is no vacuum sensing
2017-02-13T01:51:22 < KreAture_> dongs yes there is a shadow thingy
2017-02-13T01:51:28 <@englishman> but i got that down now too
2017-02-13T01:51:29 < dongs> we were just discussing it few days/weeks ago how what if it could be used to hax0r stuff within 64kbytes of same address space
2017-02-13T01:51:29 < KreAture_> but you still need to transfer shit to em
2017-02-13T01:51:33 < KreAture_> maybe they are in sequence
2017-02-13T01:51:38  * KreAture_ checks
2017-02-13T01:52:09 < zyp> englishman, ah
2017-02-13T01:52:12 <@englishman> and far and beyond that, if you are thinking of buying some shit, pasting continues to be the biggest issue
2017-02-13T01:52:23 < zyp> pasting?
2017-02-13T01:52:28 <@englishman> stencilling
2017-02-13T01:52:42 < zyp> how so?
2017-02-13T01:52:56 <@englishman> it's hard to get right, and once it's right, hard to get consistent
2017-02-13T01:53:08 <@englishman> i have a cheap printer tho, and that doesnt help
2017-02-13T01:53:33 < zyp> what sort of parts are you having problems with? my ghetto stencilling works fairly okay for the boards I've hand placed
2017-02-13T01:54:09 <@englishman> those 4x resistor arrays in 0805, LGA, SOD-923
2017-02-13T01:54:11 < zyp> I often get some solder bridges on 0.5mm pitch, but apart from that I haven't had any troubles stencilling
2017-02-13T01:54:14 <@englishman> small aperatures
2017-02-13T01:54:32 < zyp> and qfn is pain if the footprint is retarded
2017-02-13T01:54:37 <@englishman> very small misalignment will fuck it up
2017-02-13T01:54:44 <@englishman> and usually not enough paste is deposited
2017-02-13T01:54:53 <@englishman> actually, qfn and qfp have been 100%
2017-02-13T01:54:57 <@englishman> they are quite tolerant
2017-02-13T01:55:06 < zyp> for qfn it really depends on footprint
2017-02-13T01:55:06 < dongs> im gona get that pneumatic stretching/loading thing I showed you few weeks ago here at the office this week to fuck around wiht
2017-02-13T01:55:09 <@englishman> even 0.4mm pitch
2017-02-13T01:55:26 < dongs> ordered some sample stencils wiht the needed slots to make them work
2017-02-13T01:55:36 < zyp> when I did the old quadrotor controller, I had one qfn that only worked on one of three boards, and one qfn that were perfect on all three
2017-02-13T01:57:07 <@englishman> after starting my own assembly im actually paying attention to the paste layer of the footprints i make
2017-02-13T01:57:16 <@englishman> vs letting dongs fail with that
2017-02-13T01:57:21 < zyp> :p
2017-02-13T01:57:26 < dongs> lo'
2017-02-13T01:58:00 < zyp> dongs are telling me «whatever, they just produce their own paste layer from the other layers»
2017-02-13T01:58:08 < zyp> so idk
2017-02-13T01:58:23 < zyp> that results in stupid stuff like paste on tag-connect pads
2017-02-13T01:58:26 <@englishman> yeah i dono, here there's zero pcb fabs that also do stencills
2017-02-13T01:58:31 <@englishman> so i think japs are weird
2017-02-13T01:58:42 < dongs> if I need openings in the stencil tho
2017-02-13T01:58:47 < dongs> then -1 or wahtever on the pads
2017-02-13T01:58:48 < dongs> that does work
2017-02-13T01:59:22 < dongs> or else shit liek SWD connectors or fag-connect is gonna get holes over it
2017-02-13T01:59:25 <@englishman> 3/10 done turkey murder onine course
2017-02-13T01:59:27 < dongs> (rip cardio)
2017-02-13T01:59:46 < zyp> dongs, how do you like my ffc breakout?
2017-02-13T01:59:49 <@englishman> or fids
2017-02-13T02:00:09 < dongs> nah fids are obvious enough to these cunts after years of explaining
2017-02-13T02:00:40 < dongs> zyp, all I know is you have to start naming your uf cking PCBs
2017-02-13T02:00:49 < dongs> i see another 'PCB1' im jsjut  gonna shift-ddel shit
2017-02-13T02:01:09 <@englishman> lol
2017-02-13T02:01:12 < zyp> you don't have shit in directories?
2017-02-13T02:01:28 < dongs> i do, thats besides the point
2017-02-13T02:01:50 < zyp> then what's the problem?
2017-02-13T02:01:56 < dongs> the filename
2017-02-13T02:02:24 < zyp> PCB1 is what altium suggests, also Sheet1, Sheet2, Sheet3, etc…
2017-02-13T02:02:40 < dongs> nort
2017-02-13T02:02:42 < dongs> snort
2017-02-13T02:02:44 < dongs> so when you code
2017-02-13T02:02:47 < dongs> you also have stuf like
2017-02-13T02:02:49 < dongs> variable1
2017-02-13T02:02:51 < dongs> function2
2017-02-13T02:02:53 < dongs> VB-like?
2017-02-13T02:03:01 < dongs> Button1_OnClick
2017-02-13T02:03:04 < zyp> well, I have main.cpp in pretty much every project
2017-02-13T02:03:17 <@englishman> untitled.txt
2017-02-13T02:03:38 < dongs> SHITPCB~1.EXE
2017-02-13T02:04:22 < dongs> upgrdman: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/835264493/senstone-the-intelligent-wearable-voice-recorder found your pro youtube mic
2017-02-13T02:04:29 < zyp> coming up with a name for the fucking project/directory is hard enough, I don't wanna waste time naming the fucking pcb file too, there's only going to be one anyway
2017-02-13T02:05:11 < zyp> I could name it the same as the project, but that means more shit to rename if I want to rename the project
2017-02-13T02:06:52 < dongs> yes, but gerbers are output as PCB1
2017-02-13T02:07:39 < dongs> We developed our own firmware with the Protocol that works specifically with audio tracks (files). It optimised to record and transmit high quality audio without data loss and run them later through AI systems in the Cloud. We ensure encryption of our data so its highly protected during data transfer over the air.  Hardware is optimised for low energy consumption which gives  about 4 days of average use.
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2017-02-13T02:09:53 < zyp> dongs, so what's the problem? that you right click «unzip here»?
2017-02-13T02:09:54 < KreAture_> dongs pm :)
2017-02-13T02:10:18 < dongs> KreAture_: TIMx_DCR / TIMx_DMAR
2017-02-13T02:10:19 < dongs> and DMA burst
2017-02-13T02:10:25 < dongs> donno if your shit supports it
2017-02-13T02:10:29 < KreAture_> :)
2017-02-13T02:10:32 < dongs> it is in my F302 crap im looking at
2017-02-13T02:10:38 < KreAture_> looking
2017-02-13T02:10:44 < dongs> looking=working
2017-02-13T02:12:32 < zyp> what does dma burst do? multiple dma requests per timer event?
2017-02-13T02:13:31 < KreAture_> dongs yeah that works
2017-02-13T02:13:41 < KreAture_> except for the gap in the address space
2017-02-13T02:13:52 < KreAture_> I guess I just need to do 4 transfers
2017-02-13T02:14:16 < KreAture_> write dummy data to the reg
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2017-02-13T03:12:15 < dongs> lol this fucking canon printer installs VNCVIEWER to "remotely control its touchpanel"
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2017-02-13T03:17:40 < upgrdman> dongs, i went full autism on the mic amp. works decently too, but not perfect.  http://farrellf.com/temp/mic_amplifier.jpg
2017-02-13T03:17:57 < upgrdman> uploading vid with comparison of amp/no amp
2017-02-13T03:19:18 < dongs> crt, loius rossmann must be employed there
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2017-02-13T03:19:56 < dongs> upgrdman: wehere the fuck did you even find any of those parts
2017-02-13T03:20:06 < dongs> like i dont have any pth resistors or caps or anythign
2017-02-13T03:20:18 < upgrdman> i have pile of that shit
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2017-02-13T03:20:33 < dongs> lol @ shrinkwrapped final version
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2017-02-13T03:20:48 < upgrdman> former employer was throwing shit out, i was like "can i haz?"
2017-02-13T03:20:56 < dongs> oh theres some SMT stuff too in there
2017-02-13T03:21:00 < upgrdman> i have lots of PTH everything. 
2017-02-13T03:21:03 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-13T03:21:10 < dongs> is that a breadbored with non-plated vias?
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2017-02-13T03:21:44 < zyp> of course they are non-plated, it's single sided
2017-02-13T03:21:53 < dongs> how the fuck would i knwo
2017-02-13T03:21:55 < zyp> have you ever seen a single sided board with plated vias?
2017-02-13T03:22:05 < upgrdman> dongs, yes. old shitshack/archer protoboard
2017-02-13T03:22:18 < dongs> oic, top is empty
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2017-02-13T03:23:05 < upgrdman> dongs, video is up:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqHxKvkgnig
2017-02-13T03:23:18 < upgrdman> amp sounds much better to me, but also amp'd some noise
2017-02-13T03:23:28 < upgrdman> should be easy enough to remove in post
2017-02-13T03:23:48 < zyp> yay, I'm on youtube!
2017-02-13T03:27:01 < dongs> upgrdman: the soundstage is definitely wider. i can tell the highs are higher and lows are lower. but there's also an almost indistiguishable bit of jitter that's setting off my audiophile alarms
2017-02-13T03:27:17 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-02-13T03:27:41 < upgrdman> anyway, i plan to buy real mic in a year or two
2017-02-13T03:27:54 < dongs> buy strictly wiht youtube ad profits
2017-02-13T03:27:58 < upgrdman> i wonder if slr type (hot shoe shitgun mic) can be nig'd to work with a pc
2017-02-13T03:28:03 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-13T03:29:13 < dongs> my estimated revenue in alst month is $0.30 :(
2017-02-13T03:29:21 < dongs> i need to generate some mroe troll content
2017-02-13T03:30:28 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_0DMUjTb-c lol this is the second highest profit maker after the dji naza unboxing video
2017-02-13T03:31:13 < upgrdman> i first type powering my mic amp from usb port ... noise was pretty bad
2017-02-13T03:31:40 < upgrdman> then i tried, for lulz, powering from my usb power bank (has dc/dc in it) and it sound like it was SCREAMING at the mic
2017-02-13T03:31:52 < upgrdman> but those AA's are nice and quiet as expected
2017-02-13T03:32:22 < zyp> upgrdman, sure, why not
2017-02-13T03:32:27 < zyp> hmm, I got one of those
2017-02-13T03:32:28 < zyp> somewhere
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2017-02-13T03:53:24 < dongs> zyp, found old arcin parts invoices
2017-02-13T03:53:45 < zyp> cool
2017-02-13T03:54:04 < dongs> i also see i fucked up ordering them last time
2017-02-13T03:54:11 < dongs> and got 130 2N7002
2017-02-13T03:54:12 < dongs> lolz.
2017-02-13T03:54:14 < zyp> I'm about to go to bed, but if you get that shit ordered and get me an invoice, I'll pay tomorrow
2017-02-13T03:54:23 < dongs> ya np
2017-02-13T03:54:32 < dongs> 130 in PREVIOUS invoice too
2017-02-13T03:54:33 < dongs> wow
2017-02-13T03:54:37 < dongs> pro as fuck.
2017-02-13T03:55:06 < zyp> also, figure out how much you want for assembling that LL shit
2017-02-13T03:55:11 < dongs> aye
2017-02-13T03:55:13 < dongs> oh, did it arrive?
2017-02-13T03:55:14 < dongs> and works ok?
2017-02-13T03:55:18 < zyp> idk
2017-02-13T03:55:20 < dongs> haha ok
2017-02-13T03:55:23 < dongs> FGT
2017-02-13T03:55:30 < zyp> according to tracking nothing has happened since jan31
2017-02-13T03:55:34 < dongs> oh.
2017-02-13T03:55:53 < zyp> I mean, norwegian tracking at least, haven't checked on jap site
2017-02-13T03:56:25 < zyp> same
2017-02-13T03:56:41 < dongs> it doesnt take 2 weeks to send shit does it
2017-02-13T03:56:47 < zyp> idk what that is about, EMS tends to be faster
2017-02-13T03:57:04 < dongs> arcin only has one type of DIP connector right?
2017-02-13T03:57:07 < dongs> those B4B-XH things?
2017-02-13T03:57:18 < zyp> no also 2-pin
2017-02-13T03:57:22 < zyp> B2B IIRC
2017-02-13T03:57:28 < dongs> hm why is that not in list
2017-02-13T03:59:01 < zyp> anyway, figure out how much you want for the LL work anyway so I can figure out how much to invoice them for
2017-02-13T03:59:09 < dongs> kay
2017-02-13T04:00:13 < dongs> that is weird as fuck I dont have a single invoice ordering 2 pin sockets
2017-02-13T04:00:26 < zyp> umm
2017-02-13T04:00:26 < dongs> did we like buy a million of htem on 1st batch and using since hten?
2017-02-13T04:00:33 < zyp> let me check
2017-02-13T04:00:41 < zyp> the old batches I picked them up from DK
2017-02-13T04:00:44 < dongs> ohh
2017-02-13T04:00:46 < dongs> hmmm
2017-02-13T04:00:46 < zyp> until we found some in china
2017-02-13T04:00:48 < dongs> right
2017-02-13T04:01:25 < dongs> ugh these invoices are named back when chinagirl wasnt schooled in proper filenaming
2017-02-13T04:01:27 < zyp> invoice you sent me 21.09.2015 got both
2017-02-13T04:01:28 < dongs> hard as shit to search
2017-02-13T04:01:43 < dongs> o yeah
2017-02-13T04:01:44 < dongs> so it does
2017-02-13T04:01:53 < dongs> and still 130 2n&002's
2017-02-13T04:01:53 < dongs> okay
2017-02-13T04:02:00 < dongs> good, ill use that as reference and fix the fets
2017-02-13T04:02:27 < dongs> should I count how many actual boards are made or do you just wanna make 130?
2017-02-13T04:02:45 < zyp> isn't actual boards around 112?
2017-02-13T04:03:10 < dongs> arcin 56*2 (fr4) remaining 7*2
2017-02-13T04:03:13 < dongs> this is in my notes
2017-02-13T04:03:24 < dongs> not sure if remaining is still remaining tho
2017-02-13T04:03:31 < dongs> ah maybe thats from last time
2017-02-13T04:03:33 < zyp> ah, right, there were some leftover panels
2017-02-13T04:03:41 < zyp> that got assembled last time or something
2017-02-13T04:03:45 < dongs> kay
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2017-02-13T04:03:51 < dongs> go sleep
2017-02-13T04:03:54 < dongs> will send you invoice later today
2017-02-13T04:04:01 < zyp> ok, sure
2017-02-13T04:08:57 < dongs> 303RB went up
2017-02-13T04:09:01 < dongs> 4.14 now 
2017-02-13T04:09:04 < dongs> o wellz
2017-02-13T04:09:45 < dongs> hah, that shit is nonstock at digikey now
2017-02-13T04:10:16 < zyp> weren't 303RC actually cheaper at some point?
2017-02-13T04:10:27 < dongs> is that wat were were using?
2017-02-13T04:10:40 < zyp> no, it was originally RB
2017-02-13T04:11:34 < zyp> hmm, I see no reference to RC in invoices though, I'm probably wrong
2017-02-13T04:11:41 < dongs> huh
2017-02-13T04:11:43 < dongs> RC is 2.85
2017-02-13T04:11:46 < dongs> should I jsut get that instead? heh
2017-02-13T04:11:49 < zyp> haha, ok
2017-02-13T04:11:51 < zyp> sure
2017-02-13T04:14:06 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/SPI-External-SDRAM-transfer-Implement/
2017-02-13T04:19:51 < dongs> https://www.netblocks.eu/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/sx1272-lora-modem-module-v-1-2-1-860x576.jpg these fucking arduino header pinouts rage me
2017-02-13T04:28:28 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/would-like-hire-Engineer-13057570/
2017-02-13T04:28:29 < dongs> haha
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2017-02-13T04:35:06 < ohsix> oroville dam is about to fail and kill a bunch of people
2017-02-13T04:35:41 < ohsix> somehow 'spillway fail' turned into 'dam fail' hahah
2017-02-13T04:36:02 < ohsix> i mean, it's a horrible situation, but that's a fucking huge mistake, the dam failing would certainly destroy everything
2017-02-13T04:39:27 < emeb_mac> I drive up through that area fairly frequently. There's a *lot* of stuff downstream of there.
2017-02-13T04:39:45 < dongs> zyp, tehre's 190 arcin
2017-02-13T04:44:17 <@englishman> thanks for orange cat stvn
2017-02-13T04:44:35 <@englishman> hi ohsix 
2017-02-13T04:44:48 <@englishman> i read just 6h ago that 'the dam is fine'
2017-02-13T04:45:19 <@englishman> o shit
2017-02-13T04:45:22 <@englishman> they are evacuating
2017-02-13T04:45:48 <@englishman> rip california
2017-02-13T04:46:49 < upgrdman> so a spillway is just where the dam vents excess water to right?
2017-02-13T04:46:53 <@englishman> yeah
2017-02-13T04:46:59 <@englishman> and the spillway has been flowing for weeks
2017-02-13T04:47:00 < upgrdman> so who cares if it get damaged (in the short term)
2017-02-13T04:47:05 <@englishman> friday the emergency spillway started flowing
2017-02-13T04:47:37 <@englishman> so once that fails, there is uncontrollable water flow for the difference between the emergency spillway and the regular spillway
2017-02-13T04:48:03 <@englishman> and any additional water after that
2017-02-13T04:48:15 < upgrdman> oh
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2017-02-13T04:48:32 < upgrdman> so now the dam can only hold back water to x elevation?
2017-02-13T04:48:42 < upgrdman> where it used to be able to hold to x+y elevation?
2017-02-13T04:48:48 <@englishman> rite
2017-02-13T04:48:54 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-13T04:49:22 <@englishman> keep in mind this is the tallest dam in the usa
2017-02-13T04:49:27 < dongs> death to america
2017-02-13T04:49:39 <@englishman> yes, assuredly
2017-02-13T04:49:48 < upgrdman> so why did it fail? fluke? not maintained? super rare and high waterfall this year?
2017-02-13T04:49:58 <@englishman> arent you in cali
2017-02-13T04:50:02 < upgrdman> ya but so cal
2017-02-13T04:50:06 < upgrdman> so fuck if i care
2017-02-13T04:50:09 <@englishman> riet normex
2017-02-13T04:50:33 <@englishman> well i dono cuz i just heard about this when i was in cali last year
2017-02-13T04:50:37 <@englishman> but it hasnt rained in 5y or something
2017-02-13T04:50:45 <@englishman> now they got 5y of rain in 2 weeks
2017-02-13T04:50:54 < upgrdman> well in so cal its rained a bit in the last month, but not abnormal
2017-02-13T04:51:01 < upgrdman> no idea about nor cal weather
2017-02-13T04:51:29 < upgrdman> cause like nothing importantly exists in nor cal other than sacramento which only matters for politics iirc
2017-02-13T04:53:10 <@englishman> silicon valley moved to nevada or something?
2017-02-13T04:53:23 < upgrdman> sil val isnt nor cal
2017-02-13T04:53:28 <@englishman> news2me
2017-02-13T04:53:30 < upgrdman> theyre like mid cal, no?
2017-02-13T04:53:37 <@englishman> i thought the demarc was san luis obispo
2017-02-13T04:53:44 <@englishman> between north/south
2017-02-13T04:54:04 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-02-13T04:54:14 < upgrdman> looking on map, i guess theyre like 1/3 down cali
2017-02-13T04:54:17 < upgrdman> so nor cal i guess
2017-02-13T04:55:04 < upgrdman> so if oroville fails what happens? death to top third of cali?
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2017-02-13T04:55:20  * Laurenceb_ doesnt get the big deal with silicon valley tbh
2017-02-13T04:55:31 < Laurenceb_> I guess there is still intel
2017-02-13T04:55:45 < dongs> isnt intel mostly in israel
2017-02-13T04:55:50 < upgrdman> wait. looking on a map, oroville lake is small as shit. how the fuck is that dam the biggest in usa?
2017-02-13T04:57:05 <@englishman> 10000 km^2
2017-02-13T04:57:20 <@englishman> ?
2017-02-13T04:59:25 < upgrdman> it looks like the smallest body of water in cali on google maps
2017-02-13T05:00:27 < upgrdman> what about like lake tahoe
2017-02-13T05:00:35 < upgrdman> thats like a billion times bigger than oroville lake
2017-02-13T05:00:48 < upgrdman> hmm guess theres no dam tho
2017-02-13T05:04:30 < Laurenceb_> top bantz
2017-02-13T05:05:46 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/project-13073270/ haha crazy french fuck
2017-02-13T05:10:09 < emeb_mac> dongs: intel is definitely *not* mostly in israel
2017-02-13T05:10:13 < dongs> oh?
2017-02-13T05:10:23 < dongs> i thought all thier Core* stuff R&D was israel
2017-02-13T05:10:48 < emeb_mac> Yeah - but that's a small part of the company and that's just the design group.
2017-02-13T05:10:54 < dongs> ah okay
2017-02-13T05:10:59 < dongs> oh right you're the XScale guy
2017-02-13T05:11:03 < emeb_mac> Most of the wafer fab is still here in the US.
2017-02-13T05:11:03 < dongs> ex-rather
2017-02-13T05:11:24 < emeb_mac> yeah - worked there for a while. 
2017-02-13T05:12:06 < emeb_mac> we've got a huge new fab complex that's being started up a few miles south of me.
2017-02-13T05:12:37 < emeb_mac> Fab 42 - they started building it about 10yrs ago, then mothballed it for a while due to economy. Now they're firing it up again.
2017-02-13T05:12:58 < emeb_mac> Expecting about 5000 people to be working there...
2017-02-13T05:13:45 < dongs> R2COM missed out by not going to work for intel
2017-02-13T05:13:52 < dongs> now that $CY is deader than *BSD
2017-02-13T05:14:12 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-02-13T05:14:24 < emeb_mac> working for intel is a mixed bag
2017-02-13T05:14:43 <@englishman> surely better than working for $AMD
2017-02-13T05:14:48 < emeb_mac> takes a certain personality to love it there - not many people I know were able to stand it.
2017-02-13T05:14:50 < dongs> or GOOG
2017-02-13T05:15:32 < emeb_mac> you have to like politics and not really care too much about actually getting things done.
2017-02-13T05:15:48 <@englishman> huh.
2017-02-13T05:16:15 <@englishman> once a company gets big enough, seems infighting is all that matters anymore
2017-02-13T05:16:18 < dongs> i dont see a problem wiht 2nd part but politics? fuck off
2017-02-13T05:16:32 < dongs> oh, i missed the NOT part
2017-02-13T05:16:32 < dongs> huh
2017-02-13T05:16:37 < dongs> so you jsut come to work to jerk off all day?
2017-02-13T05:16:52 <@englishman> and politely reply to chain emails
2017-02-13T05:16:52 < emeb_mac> they spend about 1/3 of every year jockeying for position in the rank-order process (they call it "Focal")
2017-02-13T05:17:13 < emeb_mac> And if you get ranked low too often then you're fired.
2017-02-13T05:18:02 < emeb_mac> then when they're not doing that, they spend most of the day in conference calls & meetings
2017-02-13T05:18:39 < emeb_mac> While there I spent very little time doing "actual work" - mostly just talking about it and CYA when things weren't going to schedule.
2017-02-13T05:18:40 < dongs> when the fuck does actual work happen
2017-02-13T05:19:28 < emeb_mac> you have to kind of squeeze it in between the meetings.
2017-02-13T05:20:07 < emeb_mac> I'm sure that the fab workers don't spend a lot of time in meetings, but engineers do.
2017-02-13T05:25:50 <@englishman> sounds stressful
2017-02-13T05:25:58 <@englishman> and not at all rewarding
2017-02-13T05:29:45 < emeb_mac> I was glad to find opportunities elsewhere.
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2017-02-13T05:32:08 <@englishman> passed the turkey murder course
2017-02-13T05:36:30 < dongs> does mr.emeb even have a job
2017-02-13T05:36:36 < dongs> I thought he freenalces audiophile equipment
2017-02-13T05:36:43 < dongs> where selling one box keeps him alive froa year
2017-02-13T05:38:04 < ohsix> emeb_mac: yea heh
2017-02-13T05:38:28 < ohsix> sup englishman, haha didn't expect anyone to even respond to something i posted, and i left right after :D
2017-02-13T05:39:21 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/daveanthony/status/830976007649710080 has a picture of the flood basin
2017-02-13T05:39:31 < emeb_mac> dongs: I have a normally steady gig doing radio design for a subcontractor to a big defense contract outfif
2017-02-13T05:40:04 < emeb_mac> but these are not normal times, so I've been "on vacation" for a while
2017-02-13T05:40:10 < ohsix> early stories about the spillway fucking up were low key, it's such a massive amount of water that it's a bit hard to take in
2017-02-13T05:41:10 <@englishman> maybe you can apply to $CY as a trainee and work under retardocom
2017-02-13T05:41:46 < ohsix> intel jobs sound like that horrible shit that happens when you can't fire people or downsize, people on staff, gotta make upsome arbitrary shit to get rid of some of them
2017-02-13T05:43:47 < dongs> heh
2017-02-13T05:44:32 < emeb_mac> ohsix: they don't have trouble getting rid of people there. I know lots of folks who've been laid off or VSPed
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2017-02-13T05:45:19 < emeb_mac> What they have is decades of rolling in cash from the x86 business and a huge bureaucracy that's built up to spend it.
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2017-02-13T05:58:36 < ohsix> how many are let go due to attrition shenanigans vs. other
2017-02-13T05:58:50 < ohsix> when you have 'bottom x' you end up moving the bottom eventually
2017-02-13T06:07:49 < ohsix> heh the little guitar amp things that run on batteries are pretty cool
2017-02-13T06:08:00 < ohsix> just need a self contained widget with a volume knob for audio foolery
2017-02-13T06:08:33 < ohsix> https://www.blackstaramps.com/uk/products/fly-3 kind of want regardless lul
2017-02-13T06:15:56 < upgrdman> *thumbs up*
2017-02-13T06:22:46 < dongs> anyone have ifaggo6plus schematic
2017-02-13T06:22:49 < dongs> or do I need to call lous rossman
2017-02-13T06:23:03 < upgrdman> chinagirl cant email it to you?
2017-02-13T06:23:25 < upgrdman> thought china has website dedicated to warehousing IP
2017-02-13T06:23:30 < upgrdman> websites*
2017-02-13T06:23:57 < dongs> faux studios wants another grip of ipad lcds for movie set
2017-02-13T06:24:00 < dongs> pacific rim 2
2017-02-13T06:24:09 < dongs> apaprently im invited to their china ofice next month to check out my shit being used on the set
2017-02-13T06:24:13 < dongs> should i go there y / n
2017-02-13T06:24:47 < upgrdman> ya why not
2017-02-13T06:24:58 < dongs> god damn fucking 4shared
2017-02-13T06:25:03 < dongs> how do you downlaod shit from tehre without an account
2017-02-13T06:25:29 < dongs> pioneer, co ltd?
2017-02-13T06:25:40 < upgrdman> dongs, you still just seeling pcb for those lcds, or did you dickstart a finish product (panel + pcb + case, etc.)
2017-02-13T06:25:44 < dongs> iPhone 6 Plus Schematic Full_vietmobile....
2017-02-13T06:26:00 < dongs> upgrdman: they're mounting bare lcds + my controllers in stuff, so they dont need an enclosure
2017-02-13T06:26:07 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-02-13T06:26:09 < dongs> i also halp to source wiird shit like flat hdmi cables and stuff
2017-02-13T06:26:35 < dongs> like main control room in the new alienz movie was full of my lcds
2017-02-13T06:26:43 < dongs> shit was in the trailer
2017-02-13T06:27:17 < dongs> http://www.mediafire.com/file/zz952lrrjhskdqt/iPhone+6S+Plus+Schematic_Vietmobile.vn.pdf
2017-02-13T06:27:18 < upgrdman> nice
2017-02-13T06:27:21 < dongs> yisss
2017-02-13T06:27:40 < dongs> viet hax0rs
2017-02-13T06:28:00 < dongs> man apple schematics are still done in wahtever retarded cad
2017-02-13T06:29:50 < dongs>  http://i.imgur.com/1F1xvuf.png ?????
2017-02-13T06:31:35 < dongs> haha really
2017-02-13T06:32:02 < dongs> oh MAUI OWL
2017-02-13T06:32:03 < dongs> heh
2017-02-13T06:32:05 < dongs> wtf
2017-02-13T06:32:14 < dongs> gotta ask rossman
2017-02-13T06:32:17 < dongs> waht the fuck apple use for pcb cad
2017-02-13T06:32:31 < dongs> apple probably forked GEDA
2017-02-13T06:32:32 < dongs> in 1999
2017-02-13T06:32:38 < dongs> and maintains their own version
2017-02-13T06:32:40 < dongs> for making awful schematics
2017-02-13T06:33:29 <@englishman> wtf would rossman know about pcb cad
2017-02-13T06:33:35 <@englishman> except that filthy 'engineers' use it
2017-02-13T06:33:45 < dongs> but but
2017-02-13T06:33:46 < dongs> hes pro
2017-02-13T06:33:51 < dongs> on youtube
2017-02-13T06:33:58 <@englishman> and im a pro ircer
2017-02-13T06:34:05 <@englishman> i have it in my list of skills on linkedin
2017-02-13T06:34:11 < dongs> really, me too
2017-02-13T06:34:45 <@englishman> i was going to add gary niger but you dont have enough friends to warrant being on my list
2017-02-13T06:35:17 < dongs> I still have dji fake salesguy on my list
2017-02-13T06:35:23 < dongs> ivan didnt accept my INMAIL :()
2017-02-13T06:35:36 < dongs> i will try again
2017-02-13T06:35:51 <@englishman> steffan and i are irl bffs on dickedin
2017-02-13T06:36:01 < dongs> Hello dear. I'm very interested in ZANO TECH. Let's talk about BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES.
2017-02-13T06:36:04 < dongs> ^ sending off to ivan
2017-02-13T06:36:52 < dongs> yo ushould endorse my IRC skill
2017-02-13T06:36:57 < dongs> donno if you can do it wihotu connecting to me tho
2017-02-13T06:37:08 < dongs> probably not
2017-02-13T06:37:57 <@englishman> i also asked to be let in the STM32 Experts group
2017-02-13T06:38:03 < dongs> haha
2017-02-13T06:38:04 <@englishman> with real STM32 FAE as the head of the group
2017-02-13T06:38:10 < dongs> did you get denied
2017-02-13T06:38:19 <@englishman> i dono i forgot my password
2017-02-13T06:38:54 < ReadError> coons
2017-02-13T06:39:19 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/WIFDDG7
2017-02-13T06:39:42 < dongs> gangrape
2017-02-13T06:42:30 < dongs> holy shit
2017-02-13T06:42:42 < dongs> some "softrware engineer at facebook" viewed my progfile 3 weeks ago
2017-02-13T06:42:46 < dongs> which one of you faggots was it
2017-02-13T06:43:51 < dongs> LinkedIn Member
2017-02-13T06:43:51 < dongs> STM32 and STM8 Microcontrollers Ecosystem Marketing Manager by STMicroelectronics
2017-02-13T06:43:54 < dongs> France
2017-02-13T06:43:59 < dongs> is this the asshole responsible for CUBEMX
2017-02-13T06:44:07 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-02-13T06:45:16 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-13T06:45:22 < dongs> ifag schematic has ROOM=blah
2017-02-13T06:45:51 < dongs> what other thing that isnt altidumb has a concept of rooms
2017-02-13T06:46:49 < dongs> https://community.cadence.com/cadence_technology_forums/f/27/t/5312
2017-02-13T06:47:43 < dongs> so just good ol orcuck capture cis?
2017-02-13T06:48:21 < dongs> or could be really conceptHDL
2017-02-13T06:48:34 < dongs> which means its ancient as fuck
2017-02-13T06:49:21 < dongs> now, I have tried both programs. 
2017-02-13T06:49:21 < dongs> the CHDL looks coming from Mars or something. The CIS makes sense but the CHDL...
2017-02-13T06:49:24 <@englishman> cadence makes too many fucking programs
2017-02-13T06:49:24 < dongs> ha ha
2017-02-13T06:49:36 < dongs> and htey're all way to oexpensive
2017-02-13T06:52:15 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/3M7edgP.gifv
2017-02-13T06:53:43 < dongs> ok eh
2017-02-13T06:53:50 < dongs> i think they realyl are using that shit
2017-02-13T06:53:56 < dongs> or amybe newer version called design entry hdl
2017-02-13T06:54:11 < dongs> symbols look very ismilar
2017-02-13T06:54:16 < dongs> and how nets connect and shit loosk same
2017-02-13T07:09:56 <@englishman> dongs what air pressure do you supply to dicknplace
2017-02-13T07:10:11 < dongs> uhh.. whatever my shit makes and it has a down regulator for it
2017-02-13T07:10:13 < dongs> lemme see..
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2017-02-13T07:10:56 < dongs> looks like 0.4MPa
2017-02-13T07:10:58 < dongs> wahtever the fuck that is
2017-02-13T07:11:07 <@englishman> YV100 and therefore CL feeders ask for 80psi. so i'll try that, see if it stops parts from bouncing around
2017-02-13T07:11:09 <@englishman> hm ok
2017-02-13T07:11:15 <@englishman> 80psi = 0.55MPa
2017-02-13T07:11:32 < dongs> my shit has 2 range shits going from 0.3 to 0.45 aruond
2017-02-13T07:11:43 < dongs> im guessing anything in that range is g2g
2017-02-13T07:11:48 <@englishman> yeah
2017-02-13T07:12:00 <@englishman> vac pressure decreases linearly with airpressure on my nozzles
2017-02-13T07:12:04 <@englishman> but ive never had a part fall off
2017-02-13T07:12:18 < dongs> i only had them fall off when I cocked up and tried picking up 1206 parts with 0402 nozzle
2017-02-13T07:12:25 <@englishman> sure
2017-02-13T07:12:39 <@englishman> how often do your nozzles get gunked
2017-02-13T07:12:54 < dongs> eh, like nevar
2017-02-13T07:12:57 < ohsix> why would they get gunked
2017-02-13T07:13:00 < dongs> i dont stick them in paste on blank boards yanno
2017-02-13T07:13:01 <@englishman> i had to clean one nozzle so far when i pushed it too far into paste
2017-02-13T07:13:06 < dongs> ^
2017-02-13T07:13:07 < ohsix> o
2017-02-13T07:13:27 <@englishman> luckily had some ~32g wire to push the shit around
2017-02-13T07:13:38 < ohsix> pushing shit around
2017-02-13T07:13:39 < ohsix> heheh
2017-02-13T07:13:58 < ohsix> there's a joke about pushing a turd around with a stick but i can't remember the movie or the full joke
2017-02-13T07:14:02 <@englishman> does your shit have temperature compensation
2017-02-13T07:14:06 <@englishman> or you just keep temp steady
2017-02-13T07:14:28 < dongs> its wahtever temp usaully my office is which is either freezing in winter or too hot in summer
2017-02-13T07:14:44 <@englishman> k so it clearly does
2017-02-13T07:17:30 < dongs> Grepper said money raised in December enabled the company to ship 35 coolers recently, with another 50 scheduled for next week. haha
2017-02-13T07:17:40 < dongs> so they're gonna ship 35 coolers per month
2017-02-13T07:17:42 < dongs> with 12k to go
2017-02-13T07:17:59 < dongs> so in 30 years every dickstarter retard will ahve thier cooler
2017-02-13T07:19:54 < dongs> R2COM, have you ever used cuckdence design entry hdl / concept hdl
2017-02-13T07:20:07 < dongs> sux
2017-02-13T07:20:25 < dongs> i don't. im tryin to get a printout of it to see if thats what applefags use
2017-02-13T07:20:29 < dongs> to make their gross schematics
2017-02-13T07:20:40 < upgrdman> so the nozzle what picks part up right?
2017-02-13T07:20:45 < dongs> upgrdman: yea
2017-02-13T07:20:59 < upgrdman> and you need diff ones for diff packages? so is there like a turret of them?
2017-02-13T07:21:05 < ohsix> it is so easy to derail a twatter post
2017-02-13T07:21:40 < dongs> upgrdman: at least on my shit, you can pickup 0402 with one set of nozzles, 0603-0805 with another, and larger ones for QFP/QFN type stuff
2017-02-13T07:22:11 < dongs> and theres a tray of htem it can swap when needed
2017-02-13T07:22:14 < upgrdman> dongs, so do you have to manually swap nozzles for each pcb then? or does it auto change nozzle with some sort of turret or something
2017-02-13T07:22:19 < upgrdman> ok
2017-02-13T07:22:19 < dongs> no, its automatic
2017-02-13T07:22:20 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-13T07:22:23 < dongs> it goes over there and picks it up
2017-02-13T07:23:11 < upgrdman> so is a nozzle basically a tube with a rubber tip so it can grip shit when sucking
2017-02-13T07:23:45 < dongs> all mine are metal except the ones for like super huge qfp
2017-02-13T07:23:55 < dongs> they have a rubber ring around
2017-02-13T07:25:16 < dongs> hmm, iphone6 has lcd+digitizer fused eh
2017-02-13T07:26:31 < upgrdman> i thought ~all smartphones these days bond the panels to the glass
2017-02-13T07:26:41 < dongs> do they? i donno
2017-02-13T07:27:36 < upgrdman> i think so. to stop that annoying double/triple reflection
2017-02-13T07:28:02 < upgrdman> my note5 looks bonded
2017-02-13T07:28:12 < upgrdman> and my nexus4 looked bonded
2017-02-13T07:43:42 < ReadError> iphones are the bestphones
2017-02-13T07:49:05 < ohsix> heat gun is the bestgun
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2017-02-13T07:52:21 < dongs> https://www.minimaterials.com/ this is some weird shit
2017-02-13T07:53:34 < emeb_mac> love the miniature wooden pallet
2017-02-13T07:55:58 < dongs> such hipster shit
2017-02-13T07:56:05 < dongs> 12 pieces of wood barely bigger than am atchstick for $8??
2017-02-13T07:56:06 < dongs> sign me up!
2017-02-13T07:56:22 < dongs> 1:12 of 2x4 would be what
2017-02-13T07:56:28 < dongs> 2"/12?
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2017-02-13T07:56:56 < dongs> 4.2x8.5mm yeah
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2017-02-13T08:01:29 < ohsix> lul snl motorized sean spicers podium
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2017-02-13T08:02:14 < ohsix> 100 tiny bricks for 9$ is a steal
2017-02-13T08:02:45 < ohsix> 'as seen on reddit' is a pretty sad byline lul
2017-02-13T08:03:24 < ohsix> https://www.minimaterials.com/products/cell-phone-charging-station-kit
2017-02-13T08:07:57 < ReadError> n e good vids of dam breaking ?
2017-02-13T08:16:18 < ohsix> yea
2017-02-13T08:16:25 < ohsix> but it's not the dam
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2017-02-13T08:19:34 < ohsix> ooh there's a webcam
2017-02-13T08:19:49 < ohsix> dark now though
2017-02-13T08:21:19 < ReadError> ?
2017-02-13T08:22:43 < ohsix> of the dam/spillways
2017-02-13T08:23:01 < ohsix> the danger is from the emergency spillway eroding stuff and fucking shit up
2017-02-13T08:23:38 < ohsix> 130k in the area heh
2017-02-13T08:25:28 < ohsix> howru ReadError 
2017-02-13T08:25:52 < ohsix> heh i remember learning tab completion as an idiom from irc :<
2017-02-13T08:28:59 < ohsix> love a paper on something interesting, then seeing it was written in a useless programming language
2017-02-13T08:31:19 < ohsix> (aldor, lul)
2017-02-13T08:31:22 < ohsix> http://www.aldor.org/wiki/ gg
2017-02-13T08:36:18 < ohsix> Harambe-shaped Cheeto sells on eBay for nearly $100K
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2017-02-13T08:57:33 < ohsix> Hey
2017-02-13T08:58:21 < dongs> ..
2017-02-13T08:58:23 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-02-13T08:58:30 < dongs> japan government wants to bring back FM radio
2017-02-13T08:58:33 < dongs> in 2017
2017-02-13T08:58:43 < dongs> http://www.soumu.go.jp/main_content/000454491.pdf
2017-02-13T08:59:07 < Steffanx> We still havr fm radio
2017-02-13T08:59:34 < Steffanx> Its still THE standard for commercial radio stations
2017-02-13T09:02:17 < Steffanx> Same here.
2017-02-13T09:05:56 < Steffanx> Dont use your Dave voice please
2017-02-13T09:06:53 < dongs> zyp is awake early
2017-02-13T09:07:00 < zyp> yup
2017-02-13T09:07:05 < zyp> well, it's 8am
2017-02-13T09:07:05 < dongs> good dongs.
2017-02-13T09:07:14 < dongs> ya i gotta wake up at 7 tomorrow.
2017-02-13T09:07:15 < dongs> horrors.
2017-02-13T09:07:15 < zyp> more like awake late last night
2017-02-13T09:09:56 < zyp> paid stuff
2017-02-13T09:12:18 < zyp> dongs, also, I've moved since last time you sent me stuff, so it shouldn't be sent to that address, I'll get you a new address later
2017-02-13T09:12:54 < dongs> ok.
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2017-02-13T09:30:45 < dongs> "Excellent Overall Developer, would hire again. He even showed me an open source version for my solution. i have other projects in mind for him."
2017-02-13T09:30:53 < dongs> so uh
2017-02-13T09:30:59 < dongs> this guy got paid $30 to link him to shithub.com
2017-02-13T09:31:03 < dongs> with some existing opensores solution
2017-02-13T09:31:06 < dongs> pretty good deal!
2017-02-13T09:31:11 < dongs> could be a job for AMP!six
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2017-02-13T09:43:02 < ohsix> i did work like that 15 years ago
2017-02-13T09:43:05 < ohsix> heheh
2017-02-13T09:43:27 < ohsix> still got told to write the shit tho
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2017-02-13T09:54:04 < Steffanx> Amp!six is your new nickname for ohsix or what dongs?
2017-02-13T09:54:53 < dongs> obviously
2017-02-13T09:55:00 < dongs> since his responses are usually as useful as google AMP! links
2017-02-13T09:55:45 < dongs> where can i get standard sizes for 7seg dispalys
2017-02-13T09:55:52 < dongs> im seeing 0.36" 0.56", where teh fuck does this noise come from
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2017-02-13T10:02:00 < dongs> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/521/362/540/540362521_464.jpg nice table
2017-02-13T10:03:15 < dongs> too bad anything other than 0.56 /0.36 looks to be uselessly unavailable
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2017-02-13T10:16:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> Comes from the metric
2017-02-13T10:22:21 < dongs> metric what
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2017-02-13T10:31:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Thermal-Imaging-software-for-Windows/ crt, why australians are so dumb
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2017-02-13T10:40:50 < kakimir> dongs: multi color segment displays?
2017-02-13T10:40:57 < kakimir> I have been looking for
2017-02-13T10:43:06 < kakimir> where are these displays dongs?
2017-02-13T10:43:39 < kakimir> multi color segment display is all that we need for projects
2017-02-13T10:44:07 < dongs> kakimir: waht do you mean multicoloer, like red+green?
2017-02-13T10:44:13 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-13T10:44:19 < dongs> or green/orage wahtever
2017-02-13T10:44:25 < dongs> anywhere in china i guess
2017-02-13T10:45:51 < kakimir> no
2017-02-13T10:45:56 < kakimir> it's not that simple
2017-02-13T10:46:03 < kakimir> I have not seen any
2017-02-13T10:47:50 < ohsix> sup
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2017-02-13T10:51:50 < kakimir> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1399 ok prive
2017-02-13T10:51:52 < kakimir> price
2017-02-13T10:52:46 < kakimir> fruity colors
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2017-02-13T10:57:06 < kakimir> I would preffer red + green probs
2017-02-13T10:58:08 < kakimir> colors in this seem a bit washed off and not accurate between segments
2017-02-13T10:58:55 < Jak_o_Shadows> that reminds me, I should finish that code for the lepton flir cameras
2017-02-13T10:59:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> The software they provide makes you change com port via recompiling
2017-02-13T11:00:12 < kakimir> segments are by default white.. bad for contrast
2017-02-13T11:00:39 < kakimir> with red segment you can get away with such problem by placing filter on top of segments
2017-02-13T11:00:53 < jadew`> dongs, lol @ the thermal software
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2017-02-13T11:07:16 < ohsix> https://olivierpieters.be/blog/2017/02/11/designing-a-business-card-in-latex
2017-02-13T11:15:13 < jadew> are CRTs better in any way than LCDs?
2017-02-13T11:15:33 < jadew> something that would make them preferable over LCD for a new product
2017-02-13T11:20:37 < jadew> examples?
2017-02-13T11:25:43 < karlp> they keep the space they're in warmer?
2017-02-13T11:27:17 < dongs> this is how chinaclones are made http://i.imgur.com/zIRfU4M.png
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2017-02-13T11:42:44 < upgrdman> is package-on-package to expensive for those chinaclones?
2017-02-13T11:42:58 < upgrdman> seems like it would make shit easier
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2017-02-13T11:57:44 < dongs> yeah i dunno i've not seen allwhiner shit in pop
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2017-02-13T12:18:12 < Steffanx> Sfw?
2017-02-13T12:18:24 < Steffanx> How was your day crt?
2017-02-13T12:19:25 < dongs> 25 minutes of bullshit
2017-02-13T12:19:28 < dongs> not safe for sanity, mostly
2017-02-13T12:21:37 < Fleck> good morning!
2017-02-13T12:39:55 < Steffanx> Its ok so far crt
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2017-02-13T12:48:48 < dongs> FUCK YES
2017-02-13T12:49:06 < dongs> Ivan Reedman
2017-02-13T12:49:06 < dongs> viewed your profile
2017-02-13T12:49:06 < dongs> See all views
2017-02-13T12:49:09 < dongs> 3h
2017-02-13T12:50:01 < dongs> sadly he hasnt accepted my invitation :(
2017-02-13T12:52:33 < Steffanx> Are englishman and dongs friends too on linkedin?
2017-02-13T12:53:08 < dongs> no
2017-02-13T12:53:16 < dongs> do you want tobe my friend to make my profile look mroe legit
2017-02-13T12:54:29 < Jak_o_Shadows> dongs, you don't want me on linked in.
2017-02-13T12:54:49 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'd make you look bad
2017-02-13T12:54:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> (not, because I'm better)
2017-02-13T12:55:49 < dongs> Lol
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2017-02-13T12:59:57 < dongs> whats with intel using these staggered BGAs
2017-02-13T13:01:52 < dongs> of course i cant link teh fucking pic from mouser
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2017-02-13T13:03:29 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/images/intel/hd/inhouse_dsl3510lsljqx_t.jpg
2017-02-13T13:06:03 < dongs> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/huge-cocks-1.3976228 rip englishman 
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2017-02-13T13:47:38 < zyp> staggered bga or 45 deg rotated bga, depends how you look at it
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2017-02-13T13:49:55 < Gerritjan> Question if i send a signal from the UARTH_IRQHandler how can i get it to the main() to do his function even better is with a trigger when there is a incomming line that a trigger will be activated
2017-02-13T13:52:05 < zyp> Gerritjan, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
2017-02-13T13:52:07 < dongs> Gerritjan: has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
2017-02-13T13:52:10 < dongs> fuck
2017-02-13T13:52:11 < dongs> you
2017-02-13T13:52:12 < dongs> zyp
2017-02-13T13:52:12 < zyp> haha
2017-02-13T13:52:54 < Gerritjan> ??
2017-02-13T13:53:07 < dongs> Gerritjan: your question makes no fucking sense
2017-02-13T13:53:41 < Fleck> ;p\
2017-02-13T13:54:34 < Gerritjan> ah oke is there a way to make a event handler, when something is incomming from the uart rx
2017-02-13T13:55:01 < dongs> yes, thats the UARTx_IRQHandler
2017-02-13T13:55:14 < dongs> or perhaps DMA IRQ handler if you are receiving wiht DMA
2017-02-13T13:55:16 < Fleck> at least, one should open reference manual and read
2017-02-13T13:55:45 < zyp> I think what he's asking is how to pass an event from ISR context to mainloop
2017-02-13T13:55:56 < dongs> probably depends on what OS hes using
2017-02-13T13:56:01 < zyp> yes
2017-02-13T13:56:12 < Gerritjan> oke i did see the dma  irq handler but how can i get it in the while(1) loop of the main?
2017-02-13T13:56:21 < zyp> or maybe just drop the irq stuff completely and poll the uart directly
2017-02-13T13:56:38 < zyp> no point in using an interrupt if all the ISR will do is set a flag that the mainloop can poll
2017-02-13T13:56:54 < Tectu> zyp, any advantages on that 45 deg bga?
2017-02-13T13:57:12 < zyp> Tectu, dunno, looks like a pain to route out
2017-02-13T13:57:17 <@englishman> dongs: Inside the box is an unassembled child sex doll, shipped from Japan
2017-02-13T13:57:20 <@englishman> lol
2017-02-13T13:57:29 < Tectu> zyp, jup. hence I ask
2017-02-13T13:58:01 < Fleck> hi Tectu
2017-02-13T13:58:03 < Gerritjan> dongs: im using windows with keil 
2017-02-13T13:58:05 <@englishman> good morning fellow pro irc EEs
2017-02-13T13:58:07 < Tectu> hi Fleck
2017-02-13T13:58:21 < Tectu> why are you already up, mr. englishman 
2017-02-13T13:58:31 < Gerritjan> zyp: you nailed it thats what i mend how to parse it
2017-02-13T13:58:43 < Tectu> zyp the nailer
2017-02-13T13:58:46 < Gerritjan> lol
2017-02-13T13:59:10 <@englishman> why are YOU up tectu?
2017-02-13T13:59:27 < Tectu> englishman, customer called, didn´t have Mr. phone on mute
2017-02-13T13:59:40 < Tectu> englishman, also, it´s 13:00 :p
2017-02-13T13:59:59 <@englishman> student life
2017-02-13T14:00:06 < Tectu> thug life you mean
2017-02-13T14:00:15 < Tectu> couch time in 30 minutes, Mr. englishman 
2017-02-13T14:00:29 <@englishman> end of productivity
2017-02-13T14:00:52 < Tectu> man why didn´t you tell me that two days earlier, seriously
2017-02-13T14:01:10 < Tectu> if only it was a cheap couch
2017-02-13T14:02:18 < Steffanx> Tectu doesnt do cheap
2017-02-13T14:02:40 < Steffanx> Swiss leather?
2017-02-13T14:03:03 < Tectu> nah, screw leather couches
2017-02-13T14:03:54 <@englishman> swiss cows are reserved for cheese and chocolate
2017-02-13T14:03:58 < Steffanx> Nice and sweaty. Productivity improving
2017-02-13T14:05:29 < Tectu> told my new employee to just go and purchase the stuff he wants/needs
2017-02-13T14:05:46 < Tectu> comes back with some super cheap 150 USD desks, regular desk chair and stuff
2017-02-13T14:05:54 < Tectu> me brings in a 1k USD couch
2017-02-13T14:06:53 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-02-13T14:07:07 < Steffanx> Which is still cheap :P
2017-02-13T14:07:48 < Tectu> yeah, I don´t waste money.
2017-02-13T14:07:51 < Tectu> also, small couch :p
2017-02-13T14:08:04 < Tectu> not some law firm entry hall lobby 102348 persons fit on it couch
2017-02-13T14:08:38 < Steffanx> We need picz
2017-02-13T14:09:08 < Tectu> will dump pics next month if rest of furniture arrived
2017-02-13T14:09:32 <@englishman> when office needed a couch I got some awesome 12' wide near new thing with reclining seats. for $0 on craigslist
2017-02-13T14:10:04 <@englishman> but i'm no swiss
2017-02-13T14:10:05 < Steffanx> Thats the difference between a canadian and a swiss
2017-02-13T14:10:06 < Tectu> do you ship to swissland?
2017-02-13T14:10:16 < Tectu> oh wait, I misread that
2017-02-13T14:10:23 < Tectu> jesus, never get something like a couch 2nd hand
2017-02-13T14:10:33 <@englishman> it went back into the craigslist ether
2017-02-13T14:10:40 < Tectu> hah
2017-02-13T14:10:46 < Tectu> for $100 this time? :p
2017-02-13T14:10:47 <@englishman> well, it was leather
2017-02-13T14:10:59 < Tectu> ah, leather is semi okay-ish for 2nd hand I guess
2017-02-13T14:11:03 <@englishman> nah, easy come, easy go
2017-02-13T14:11:09 < Tectu> good
2017-02-13T14:11:17 < zyp> secondhand casting couch?
2017-02-13T14:11:23 < Tectu> hah
2017-02-13T14:11:48 < Tectu> the graphics guy that I hired now actually came in with like 5 different tripods, a blackmagic camera and stuff
2017-02-13T14:11:51 < Tectu> would be suitable...
2017-02-13T14:21:37 < Steffanx> Can ##stm32 do requests?
2017-02-13T14:22:14 < Tectu> sure, just mail to  requests@troll.graphics
2017-02-13T14:22:25 < Tectu> afk bus
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2017-02-13T15:07:34 < Ecco> Hey
2017-02-13T15:08:04 < Rob235> dongs: just curious, what was wrong with that ddr3 routing?
2017-02-13T15:08:18 < Tectu> Hey Mr. Ecco 
2017-02-13T15:08:25 < Rob235> and good morning sirs
2017-02-13T15:09:28 < Rob235> or was it not the routing that was in question
2017-02-13T15:09:35 < Ecco> Have you guys ever tried to script gdb attached to an STM2?
2017-02-13T15:09:50 < Ecco> I'm trying to run something automatically on a breakpoint
2017-02-13T15:09:54 < Ecco> it works, but it's very slow
2017-02-13T15:10:27 < Rob235> I just started submitting resumes and I'm starting to think I don't know anything at all :P
2017-02-13T15:14:43 < Rob235> I need to decide what I want to do as well.. seems java and full stack web developers are the two in demand
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2017-02-13T15:19:54 < karlp> Rob235: if you meant the h3 layotu, I think dongs was implying that you can just get a partial altium file ready to go if you want to use that part.
2017-02-13T15:20:37 < Rob235> ohhh ok 
2017-02-13T15:20:50 < karlp> (that was how I took it at least)
2017-02-13T15:21:03 < Rob235> copy and pasting
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2017-02-13T15:32:05 < Ecco> I think I read somewhere that it was possible to output data using the SWO pin on the SWD interface
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2017-02-13T15:32:12 < Ecco> Is that supported by OpenOCD?
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2017-02-13T15:39:58 < karlp> it is.
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2017-02-13T15:46:43 < Ecco> ok, great
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2017-02-13T16:06:27 < Ecco> what's the proper GDB command ?
2017-02-13T16:06:38 < Ecco> I tried "monitor trace 8000000 traceoutput.bin
2017-02-13T16:06:43 < Ecco> but it doesn't create sucha  file
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2017-02-13T16:20:29 < karlp> it'
2017-02-13T16:20:33 < karlp> s not in gdb like that.
2017-02-13T16:21:31 < karlp> "tpiu config internal swo.dump.log uart off 32000000" in your openocd config file, if your cpu speed is 32Mzh, and you're collecting the trace with jlink/stlink that support it internally.
2017-02-13T16:21:47 < karlp> there's an "external" thing that just configres it, and you use an external uart dongle to capture the pin.
2017-02-13T16:21:57 < karlp> you then need something to parse the trace dump.
2017-02-13T16:23:10 < karlp> there's contrib/itmdump, but I normally use swodec/libswo from http://git.zapb.de/swodec.git/ 
2017-02-13T16:25:12 < Ecco> ok, wait
2017-02-13T16:25:17 < Ecco> I need an external dongle?
2017-02-13T16:25:25 < Ecco> I thought the whole point was to use the stlink
2017-02-13T16:25:28 < karlp> you're collecting the trace with jlink/stlink that support it internally.
2017-02-13T16:25:37 < karlp> you can do both...
2017-02-13T16:25:40 < Ecco> ok
2017-02-13T16:25:42 < karlp> I don't know what debug dongle you're using.
2017-02-13T16:25:57 < Ecco> stlink v2
2017-02-13T16:26:40 < Ecco> ok yeah, I think I got it
2017-02-13T16:26:57 < Ecco> you can either "tpiu config internal filename.log"
2017-02-13T16:27:02 < Ecco> or tpiu config external
2017-02-13T16:27:11 < Ecco> so far, so good
2017-02-13T16:27:23 < Ecco> now what's the point of swodec?
2017-02-13T16:27:30 < Ecco> and itmdump?
2017-02-13T16:27:37 < Ecco> Wouldn't openocd just create the file?
2017-02-13T16:29:12 < karlp> oocd captures (if internal) the swo output
2017-02-13T16:29:16 < karlp> but that's binary tagged data.
2017-02-13T16:29:28 < karlp> itmdump/swodec decode that file into the multiple channels and output formats you may like.
2017-02-13T16:30:11 < Ecco> oh, I see
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2017-02-13T17:11:47 < corecode> so, where do i find the official stm32 sdk headers?
2017-02-13T17:11:50 < corecode> is there such a thing?
2017-02-13T17:12:44 < corecode> inside what?
2017-02-13T17:12:46 < corecode> stm32cube?
2017-02-13T17:13:00 < corecode> yea i can't find that
2017-02-13T17:16:09 < corecode> okay, thanks
2017-02-13T17:16:16 < corecode> i actually just wanted to see the license :)
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2017-02-13T17:37:04 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/1c3c4dbb994920bd200b3bb496e2a204fc2f325d93b355f9326bbbd319995043.jpg
2017-02-13T17:37:18 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/658d2db698b8daff176c6662e2202f546cd94306b9e42b9c0c5f0600b90408cc.png
2017-02-13T17:37:22 < Laurenceb> well sheetttt
2017-02-13T17:38:39 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-02-13T17:39:07 < kakimir> is there way to make all messages in gmail from certain domain go in different box?
2017-02-13T17:39:20 < kakimir> already received and to be received ones
2017-02-13T17:39:34 < kakimir> let's say @ebay.com
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2017-02-13T17:48:37 < Laurenceb> uh oh https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a2bc1f8a3dfb8a2b3cb1a222c6989638f4a8aa113d084cdf7ccf8e2ea7250f99.png
2017-02-13T17:50:19 <@englishman> lol wtf atom is unable to print
2017-02-13T17:51:28 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdl9ZQ3N3LXNtNU0/view?usp=sharing brass thread was very easy to melt into enclosure
2017-02-13T17:54:02 < Laurenceb> nice
2017-02-13T17:54:17 < Laurenceb> almost looks like a hammond enclosure
2017-02-13T17:54:55 < corecode> kakimir: how do you get the bridges working?
2017-02-13T17:55:03 < corecode> supports?
2017-02-13T17:55:11 < kakimir> so great surface finish Laurenceb 
2017-02-13T17:55:35 < corecode> what's the yellow?
2017-02-13T17:56:07 < kakimir> quality was set to higher than normal but not excelent and layer thickness was the higher one and fill was only medium or something
2017-02-13T17:56:22 < kakimir> should have put everything high
2017-02-13T17:56:31 < kakimir> but layer thickness low
2017-02-13T17:56:48 < kakimir> corecode: Z-Ultrat
2017-02-13T17:57:25 < Laurenceb> try to find somewhere that uses SLS
2017-02-13T17:57:35 < kakimir> propiertary ultra expense
2017-02-13T17:58:18 < corecode> is it black and yellow?
2017-02-13T17:58:46 < Laurenceb> kakimir: what printer did you use?
2017-02-13T17:58:48 < kakimir> spray paint is black
2017-02-13T17:58:49 < corecode> so somehow i can't get this LED blinking on this gd32
2017-02-13T17:59:00 < kakimir> some z200 or somethin like that Laurenceb 
2017-02-13T17:59:06 < kakimir> m200?
2017-02-13T17:59:10 < kakimir> zotrax
2017-02-13T17:59:21 < Laurenceb> expensive
2017-02-13T17:59:51 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaUxiZzZ0dno5bjQ/view?usp=sharing bolts on
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2017-02-13T18:00:44 < Laurenceb> dude just use a hammond enclosure lol
2017-02-13T18:00:51 < Laurenceb> job doesnt look very complex
2017-02-13T18:00:56 < kakimir> custom size
2017-02-13T18:01:23 < corecode> LeelooMinai: not rip-off
2017-02-13T18:01:57 < kakimir> *dude just make your own design to fit in hammond enclosure and pay $100 for materials and work for a week
2017-02-13T18:02:14 < Laurenceb> wut
2017-02-13T18:02:25 < corecode> LeelooMinai: i'd say register compatible
2017-02-13T18:02:34 < Laurenceb> buy hammond enclosure for next to nothing
2017-02-13T18:02:46 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWXdEVFJzdjktUWs/view?usp=sharing"
2017-02-13T18:02:59 < corecode> LeelooMinai: why?
2017-02-13T18:03:25 < Laurenceb> holy shit blender
2017-02-13T18:03:27 < Laurenceb> whyyyyyy
2017-02-13T18:03:37 < corecode> LeelooMinai: documentation is fine
2017-02-13T18:03:50 < Laurenceb> blender is horrifing
2017-02-13T18:04:14 < Laurenceb> even FreeCAd is batter, and it's still beta
2017-02-13T18:04:25 < kakimir> making your own board - in order to have design fit to hammond enclosure costs things
2017-02-13T18:04:39 < Laurenceb> so what are you putting in it?
2017-02-13T18:04:53 < zyp> Laurenceb, SMAs
2017-02-13T18:04:56 < kakimir> usb isolator
2017-02-13T18:05:05 < Laurenceb> wut the
2017-02-13T18:05:09 < Laurenceb> you can buy that
2017-02-13T18:05:10 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: I don't see why I should
2017-02-13T18:05:28 < kakimir> I was cheap Laurenceb and bought one without enclosure!
2017-02-13T18:06:08 < kakimir> there was no problems to design in blender
2017-02-13T18:06:17 < corecode> LeelooMinai: using that chip saves five digit numbers per year
2017-02-13T18:06:30 < kakimir> as long you know what you are doing
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2017-02-13T18:07:26 < kakimir> what makes it "wrong" ?
2017-02-13T18:08:15 < Laurenceb> yeah freecad is easier to use
2017-02-13T18:08:21 < kakimir> it did the job. I admit though it could have been more flexible with cad
2017-02-13T18:08:24 < corecode> i use fusion 360
2017-02-13T18:08:36 < corecode> kakimir: how did you heat the brass inserts?
2017-02-13T18:08:43 < corecode> and how did you manage to insert them straight?
2017-02-13T18:09:12 < Laurenceb> thats what she said
2017-02-13T18:10:03 < kakimir> corecode: soldering iron 170C press directly down it sets to hole automatically
2017-02-13T18:10:27 < kakimir> release heating half way down to 130C
2017-02-13T18:10:50 < corecode> thanks
2017-02-13T18:11:00 < corecode> let me ask again, your filament is both yellow and black?
2017-02-13T18:11:06 < kakimir> go sligtly below surface and rotate and pull to release tip from thread
2017-02-13T18:11:13 < kakimir> yellow only
2017-02-13T18:11:20 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/cb25b10a5a15d1d521d36f775802a48ece35ffc8faad9bd8716206811695c3e4.png
2017-02-13T18:12:09 < Laurenceb> yes :P
2017-02-13T18:12:42 < kakimir> #mental32
2017-02-13T18:13:10 < kakimir> Laurenceb lives completelly in meme universe
2017-02-13T18:13:48 < Laurenceb> correct
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2017-02-13T18:20:44 < Laurenceb> wtf https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/830991189096660992
2017-02-13T18:20:48 < Laurenceb> she is insane
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2017-02-13T18:21:40 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1823116535/AlddJr3CEAA2mS8_400x400.jpg
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2017-02-13T18:22:30 <@englishman> bored, laurent?
2017-02-13T18:22:30 < corecode> aha, that gd32f150 doesn't put the peripherals at the same locations
2017-02-13T18:22:33 <@englishman> hows the roccoon?
2017-02-13T18:22:42 < Laurenceb> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4d/8e/35/4d8e3578eb7b5e6bd1055b53ee093b5e.jpg
2017-02-13T18:22:47 < Laurenceb> slowly progressing
2017-02-13T18:22:55 <@englishman> really corecode ?
2017-02-13T18:22:59 <@englishman> are you dicking with one now?
2017-02-13T18:23:06 <@englishman> i thought the whole point was byte compatibility
2017-02-13T18:23:14 < zyp> same as what? there's no stm32f150, is it?
2017-02-13T18:23:26 <@englishman> no but gd32 has dicked up naming
2017-02-13T18:24:10 <@englishman> o is f150 not meant to be compatible
2017-02-13T18:24:26 < zyp> that's what I'm suggesting
2017-02-13T18:25:14 <@englishman> oh hmm
2017-02-13T18:25:17 <@englishman> F405 and F450
2017-02-13T18:25:35 <@englishman> geez why bother with both
2017-02-13T18:26:02 < corecode> englishman: well it is a line that stm32 doesn't have
2017-02-13T18:26:20 <@englishman> yeah i didnt know they had a non-cloner series
2017-02-13T18:26:22 < zyp> englishman, one to be compatible, oe ne to add features?
2017-02-13T18:26:46 < corecode> they have the gpios on AHB2
2017-02-13T18:26:57 < corecode> instead of APB2?
2017-02-13T18:27:26 <@englishman> gpio should be on AHB, no?
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2017-02-13T18:29:06 < corecode> #define GPIO_PORT_A_BASE		(PERIPH_BASE_APB2 + 0x0800)
2017-02-13T18:29:10 < corecode> says opencm3
2017-02-13T18:29:55 < Laurenceb> feminism is cancer tbh, but so is rooshv
2017-02-13T18:30:26 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/830569530753576961
2017-02-13T18:30:31 < Laurenceb> ok i lulled
2017-02-13T18:31:12 < Laurenceb> ARYAN BLOOD TO COOL MY SKIN
2017-02-13T18:31:12 < Laurenceb> MAKE DRESDEN DEAD AGAIN
2017-02-13T18:31:49 <@englishman> on f10x gpio is APB2, ahh ok
2017-02-13T18:33:00 < karlp> this is why you do "periph_enable(RCC_GPIOA)" and don't worry about what bus it's on ;)
2017-02-13T18:33:45 < zyp> yes, but then the lib needs to know
2017-02-13T18:33:54 <@englishman> yeah then its not byte compatible
2017-02-13T18:34:00 <@englishman> at least header replacement + recompile
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2017-02-13T18:34:32 < Laurenceb> mo
2017-02-13T18:34:51 <@englishman> F150 is in QFN28 nice
2017-02-13T18:34:54 < corecode> LeelooMinai: the gd32 is basically the AMD of stm32 compatible chips
2017-02-13T18:35:06 < Laurenceb> LeelooMinai: https://media.8ch.net/file_store/6e914dec23f4bd50a91530cc67453d0a84b84dc58d5e32c1323392e70d4dee77.jpg
2017-02-13T18:35:21 < corecode> englishman: yea, the qfn32 was quoted to us at $0.84
2017-02-13T18:35:27 < karlp> corecode: there's another one way too, BLM somethign, according to some chatter in #libopencm3
2017-02-13T18:35:29 <@englishman> cool
2017-02-13T18:35:30 < corecode> the k8, not g8
2017-02-13T18:35:32 <@englishman> in 10k?
2017-02-13T18:35:51 < corecode> not sure, min 2940
2017-02-13T18:35:55 <@englishman> not bad
2017-02-13T18:35:57 < corecode> maybe for 50k?
2017-02-13T18:36:04 < corecode> karlp: blm?
2017-02-13T18:36:46 <@englishman> currently waiting for gd32f405 release
2017-02-13T18:36:52 <@englishman> to see if they fixed some errata
2017-02-13T18:43:47 < corecode> lots of the errata was "fixed"
2017-02-13T18:43:56 < corecode> what i read on my chip anyways
2017-02-13T18:44:10 < corecode> not like freescale, where things just keep staying on
2017-02-13T18:45:04 < Laurenceb> is the gigadevice adc any good?
2017-02-13T18:58:43 < karlp> Laurenceb: pretty sure that's going to be just like all your questions, "depends, what for, and for who?"
2017-02-13T18:59:01 < karlp> ie, measure it yourself for your very specific tests like you know you'd have to anyway numbnuts
2017-02-13T18:59:18 < Laurenceb> but its comparable to st ?
2017-02-13T18:59:40 < karlp> what does the datasheet say for _starters_
2017-02-13T18:59:53 < Laurenceb> heh I'm too lazy
2017-02-13T19:00:04  * karlp slaps Laurenceb 
2017-02-13T19:00:11 < Laurenceb> just wondered if anyone had done anything demanding with gigadevice adc
2017-02-13T19:01:11 <@englishman> fADC 14MHz
2017-02-13T19:01:27 <@englishman> conversion time @14MHz 18us
2017-02-13T19:01:43 <@englishman> sample rate 1MHz
2017-02-13T19:01:58 <@englishman> 32pf + pin/pad
2017-02-13T19:02:27 <@englishman> 12bit SAR
2017-02-13T19:02:57 < Lux> iirc the rain is lower on gd32
2017-02-13T19:02:57 < Laurenceb> yeah sounds like a clone, I'd be interested in ENOB
2017-02-13T19:03:15 < Lux> at least on the f1 clones
2017-02-13T19:03:26 <@englishman> yea this is f150 datasheet
2017-02-13T19:03:48 <@englishman> f405 looks much better
2017-02-13T19:04:30 < Laurenceb> F1 and later F4 revisions have crazy good adc
2017-02-13T19:04:46 < Laurenceb> like 11ENOB at close to full sample rate
2017-02-13T19:05:28 < Lux> heh i think they sent my gd32f405 samples to sydney
2017-02-13T19:05:35 <@englishman> :o
2017-02-13T19:05:37 < Lux> austria not austrialia retards
2017-02-13T19:05:43 <@englishman> every time
2017-02-13T19:05:51 < Lux> it actually says austria on the tracking
2017-02-13T19:06:02 < Lux>  send to 【Sydney Delivery Centre】
2017-02-13T19:07:03 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-02-13T19:07:07 < Laurenceb> the memes are real
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2017-02-13T19:22:56 <@englishman> https://i.redd.it/idvxkvzpknfy.gif
2017-02-13T19:25:33 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgtc.com/yKa7LHY.jpg
2017-02-13T19:26:05 < Laurenceb> englishman: O_o
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2017-02-13T19:43:26 < aandrew> lol trump dyno
2017-02-13T19:48:25 < jadew> zyp, we got upgraded to IPv6, I think it must have happened last week
2017-02-13T19:51:23 <@englishman> cool, only 17y til canada gets it, by current metrics
2017-02-13T19:51:33 < jadew> heh
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2017-02-13T20:17:46 < Steffanx> one can say that about almost anything.
2017-02-13T20:18:05 < Steffanx> *everything (??)
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2017-02-13T20:33:58 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=47f_1486688956
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2017-02-13T20:40:08 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=223_1486634520
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2017-02-13T20:45:08 < zyp> jadew, nice
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2017-02-13T20:59:27 < emeb> Steffanx: "Hmm, I guess living close to an ice cream & donut shop is not a good idea"
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2017-02-13T21:07:04 < Steffanx> I said "almost" emeb ;). But yeah, it could apply to that as well :P
2017-02-13T21:08:34 < emeb> Just trying out some alternative scenarios...
2017-02-13T21:12:13 < BrainDamage> how can you guys like poopwaffles
2017-02-13T21:12:54 < Steffanx> never tried
2017-02-13T21:12:57 < BrainDamage> they were like burned sugar aka caramel, with sugar waffles, sprinkled with sugar
2017-02-13T21:13:33 < BrainDamage> I normally like sweet things, but those were so sweet they were untollerable
2017-02-13T21:13:57 < Steffanx> Sprinkled with sugar, nevet had thosd
2017-02-13T21:13:58 < Steffanx> E
2017-02-13T21:17:32 < Steffanx> Where did BrainDamage eat them?
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2017-02-13T21:18:43 < BrainDamage> there was a dutch oned shop of cheap china shit called flying tiger iirc
2017-02-13T21:18:57 < BrainDamage> and they had also dutch specialties
2017-02-13T21:19:29 < jpa-> now i want waffles
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2017-02-13T21:20:21 < Steffanx> Give me your address jpa- i ship them to you
2017-02-13T21:20:37 < jpa-> but i already washed my teeth
2017-02-13T21:20:49 < Steffanx> Dhl isnt that fast
2017-02-13T21:21:33 < Steffanx> Because when i do that LeelooMinai, i highlight the one im talking too.
2017-02-13T21:21:50 < Steffanx> And because autism (duh)
2017-02-13T21:23:01 < Steffanx> I also tend to call people mr. Also type "mrs. LeelooMinai" very often, to remove that "mrs." because some a triggered easily
2017-02-13T21:23:04 < jpa-> i should probably be blogging now but lazy
2017-02-13T21:23:27 < Steffanx> I'll dox you with some stroopwafels jpa-
2017-02-13T21:24:39 < jpa-> i think parrot got a stroopwafel when we visited dutchieland years back.. very wide smile
2017-02-13T21:25:08 < Laurenceb> yeah but were they D E S I G N A T E D?
2017-02-13T21:25:50 < emeb> stroopwafels are awesome.
2017-02-13T21:26:02 < emeb> just can't eat too many...
2017-02-13T21:26:55 < emeb> and the ones with chocolate... mmm...
2017-02-13T21:27:39 < Steffanx> Mustard?
2017-02-13T21:27:43 < emeb> now that's just silly
2017-02-13T21:29:53 < emeb> It'll still be there... waiting to pop up at some inopportune time in the future.
2017-02-13T21:30:15 < emeb> so very star trekish
2017-02-13T21:31:43 <@englishman> /topic strooplife
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2017-02-13T21:57:19 < Laurenceb> spotted kakimir https://media.8ch.net/file_store/1a3041554b389e33f67cc2f1871dd49bba99b7c2d04b4cf89a18bcf947381674.gif
2017-02-13T22:02:04 < sync_> stroopwaffel + vla = <3
2017-02-13T22:06:07 < Laurenceb> hmmm
2017-02-13T22:06:25 < Laurenceb> how do I fix the "Warning: Remote Host Identification Has Changed " error?
2017-02-13T22:06:34 < Steffanx> Waste of the vla and the stoopwafels sync_ :P
2017-02-13T22:06:38 < Laurenceb> RSA host key for localhost has changed and you have requested strict checking.
2017-02-13T22:06:38 < Laurenceb> Host key verification failed.
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2017-02-13T22:08:07 < jpa-> you remove the old key like it tells
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2017-02-13T22:09:06 < Laurenceb> but how...
2017-02-13T22:09:23 < Laurenceb> Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:3
2017-02-13T22:09:27 < Laurenceb> third line?
2017-02-13T22:09:29 < jpa-> yep
2017-02-13T22:10:26 < sync_> Steffanx: I consume them serially
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2017-02-13T22:11:06 < Laurenceb> ok thanks
2017-02-13T22:11:13 < emeb> sync_: vla = ?
2017-02-13T22:11:52 < sync_> dutch pudding
2017-02-13T22:13:28 < sync_> LeelooMinai: my weight does not matter but it is under 200lbs
2017-02-13T22:13:53 < Steffanx> Size matters in that case.
2017-02-13T22:15:11 < sync_> yes, I'm obviously 5" tall
2017-02-13T22:15:27 < sync_> slithering around on the ground
2017-02-13T22:15:31 < BrainDamage> I like how key checking has been added to avoid an attack that completely compromises the security of the connecton, but most of the times it's host changing key so everyone nukes the ssh key cache withou a 2nd tought
2017-02-13T22:19:32 < corecode> so
2017-02-13T22:19:35 < corecode> gd32f150 is *not* bit compatible
2017-02-13T22:19:43 < corecode> gpios work entirely differently
2017-02-13T22:21:14 < Steffanx> BCVXZ)
2017-02-13T22:21:17 < Steffanx> o;s
2017-02-13T22:21:20 < Steffanx> oops
2017-02-13T22:53:01 < Fleck> ghhh: https://books.google.lv/books?id=gDLpyWtFacYC&lpg=PA19&ots=v0yo5S-q8g&pg=PA19#v=onepage&q&f=false
2017-02-13T22:54:16 < Fleck> right? :D
2017-02-13T22:57:45 < sync_> haha nice
2017-02-13T23:03:01 <@englishman> this is an inefficient question
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2017-02-13T23:11:00 < BrainDamage> the winner would be automatically rejected for being a math nerd
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2017-02-13T23:27:41 < Lux> corecode: the f130 is and f150 should be too
2017-02-13T23:28:09 < Lux> at least the binary i had for f031 ran fine on the f130
2017-02-13T23:28:20 < Lux> including toggling gpios
2017-02-13T23:28:49 < Lux> hmm but that was AF mode using a timer
2017-02-13T23:29:12 < Lux> maybe i just cut a corner case that worked
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2017-02-14T00:02:30 < dongs> Rob235: nothing at all, yes what karlp said
2017-02-14T00:02:47 < Rob235> about the ddr3?
2017-02-14T00:02:59 < dongs> yes
2017-02-14T00:03:01 < Rob235> ahh ok
2017-02-14T00:04:10 < dongs> and yeah, most H3 boards Ive seen were exactly same layout
2017-02-14T00:04:12 < dongs> cuz why bother
2017-02-14T00:04:25 < dongs> to do any work
2017-02-14T00:04:33 < dongs> just clone
2017-02-14T00:05:17 < Rob235> are you being sarcastic or real? haha because to a certain extent there is no reason to do any work, aka reinvent the wheel
2017-02-14T00:05:28 < Rob235> depends on the situation
2017-02-14T00:06:27 < dongs> http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=109 bingo
2017-02-14T00:06:40 < dongs> http://www.friendlyarm.com/image/cache/catalog/details/M1-02-900x630.jpg
2017-02-14T00:07:25 < dongs> jk they actually moved parts around on that one looks like
2017-02-14T00:08:11 < corecode> lol i spent over an hour porting the gd32f150 port structure, turns out it is the f3 port
2017-02-14T00:08:21 < dongs> .. duh
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2017-02-14T00:11:19 < dongs> corecode: so they're using newer gpio like the F3/F4?
2017-02-14T00:11:22 < dongs>  / F0
2017-02-14T00:11:35 < dongs> with per-pin AF
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2017-02-14T00:22:14 <@englishman> dongs, are your feeders pneumatic
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2017-02-14T00:30:33 < dongs> nope
2017-02-14T00:30:34 < dongs> well
2017-02-14T00:30:36 < dongs> actuators are
2017-02-14T00:30:39 < dongs> but they're in the machine
2017-02-14T00:30:43 < dongs> feeders are mechanic
2017-02-14T00:34:28 < KreAture_> hmm dongs I think I like that pi
2017-02-14T00:34:49 <@englishman> you mean electric?
2017-02-14T00:36:54 < dongs> no
2017-02-14T00:36:59 < dongs> theres nothing  electric there
2017-02-14T00:37:33 < dongs> i mean, there's a bit that gets pushed by actuator thats on the machine base
2017-02-14T00:37:46 < dongs> or I can push it manually when loading the reel
2017-02-14T00:37:52 < dongs> to advance tape until the end or wahtever
2017-02-14T00:37:52 <@englishman> so they are pneumatic ie air-actuated
2017-02-14T00:38:10 < dongs> yeah sure, but air doesnt go into the feeder, actuator is in the machine base
2017-02-14T00:38:18 <@englishman> ah, neat
2017-02-14T00:38:20 <@englishman> ok
2017-02-14T00:38:30 <@englishman> cuz mine have an air interface and an o-ring you have to lube
2017-02-14T00:38:34 <@englishman> but yours doesnt have that problem
2017-02-14T00:38:36 <@englishman> i guess
2017-02-14T00:38:49 < dongs> can you manually advance your shit to feed it>
2017-02-14T00:38:49 <@englishman> second question
2017-02-14T00:38:52 < dongs> like.. when setting up
2017-02-14T00:38:58 <@englishman> oh yeah sure
2017-02-14T00:39:01 <@englishman> theres a button on each one
2017-02-14T00:39:04 < dongs> ah ok
2017-02-14T00:39:14 <@englishman> do all feeders have the same pick height
2017-02-14T00:39:22 <@englishman> cuz it seems i dont have an adjustment for that
2017-02-14T00:39:29 <@englishman> i have component height, but thats only for placement
2017-02-14T00:39:32 <@englishman> pick height is the same all the time
2017-02-14T00:39:38 < dongs> it would change depending what kinda tape is in there
2017-02-14T00:39:55 < dongs> i.e. paper tape = higher pick, plastic tape = lower, wider tape = more lower
2017-02-14T00:39:59 < dongs> and yes theres pick height per feeder
2017-02-14T00:39:59 <@englishman> hmmmm
2017-02-14T00:40:08 <@englishman> seems like a necessary featre.
2017-02-14T00:40:17 < dongs> definitely
2017-02-14T00:41:04 < dongs> theres even difference between like 0402 resistor tape and say 0603 10uF tape
2017-02-14T00:41:08 < dongs> cuz the latter is almost 1mm thick
2017-02-14T00:41:15 < dongs> while the 1st is like 1/4 or something
2017-02-14T00:41:18 <@englishman> about to start dicknplacing these qfp64 and dont really want to crush every one of them
2017-02-14T00:41:43 < dongs> they on tape or tray?
2017-02-14T00:41:48 <@englishman> tape
2017-02-14T00:43:11 < dongs> https://www.generosity.com/fundraising/new-laptop--54 found leelooman
2017-02-14T00:44:24 <@englishman> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/02/13/12/3D2851CB00000578-4218910-The_question_on_the_homework_assignment_asked_how_many_slaves_a_-m-11_1486989255295.jpg
2017-02-14T00:45:10 < dongs> prrepare?
2017-02-14T00:46:30 < dongs> that question doesnt even make sense
2017-02-14T00:47:10 < dongs> its either 75 bags filled by 192 niggers or xx bags filled by 96 niggers, the "how many more are needed in the cotton fields" doesnt make sense
2017-02-14T00:47:23 <@englishman> maybe thats why the daily fail is covering it
2017-02-14T00:56:13 < aandrew> dongs: sure it makes sense, if he needs 192 but only has 96, then he needs 192-96 more
2017-02-14T00:56:26 < aandrew> it's just a question filled with extraneous information
2017-02-14T00:59:38 < aandrew> that's fine, it doesn't mean that he needs any fewer for the field
2017-02-14T01:02:38 < dongs> aandrew: thats retarded, when i went to school the questiosn were NOT this dumb
2017-02-14T01:03:04 < dongs> the inclusion of 75 bags means its a proportion/ratio question
2017-02-14T01:03:09 < dongs> and not just subtract
2017-02-14T01:06:07 < aandrew> I agree, but it could be a trick too
2017-02-14T01:06:10 < aandrew> I've had teachers pull that hsit
2017-02-14T01:06:53 < aandrew> I'll never forget grade 10 math... they said "a telephone exchange is allocated numbers from 555-0000 through 555-9999. How many numbers do they have available?
2017-02-14T01:07:13 < aandrew> I said "10000" and when asked how I figured it out, I said "becasue 0 through 9999 is ten thousand" and that was wrong because I didn't do it "their way"
2017-02-14T01:07:22 < aandrew> to this day I have no idea what "their way" was supposed to be
2017-02-14T01:09:46 <@englishman> nice
2017-02-14T01:13:24 < aandrew> dunno but I hated that fucking school from that moment on
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2017-02-14T01:20:42 < corecode> hi
2017-02-14T01:21:05 < corecode> aandrew: wa?
2017-02-14T01:21:53 < corecode> so, gd32f150 is a mix of f1, f0, and f3
2017-02-14T01:22:05 < corecode> but now i have a blinking led
2017-02-14T01:22:07 < corecode> and i am happy
2017-02-14T01:23:16 < dongs> aandrew: are you sure its 10000
2017-02-14T01:23:30 < dongs> i thought it would be 11111
2017-02-14T01:23:38 < dongs> cuz of extra leading zeros
2017-02-14T01:23:56 < corecode> explain?
2017-02-14T01:24:02 < dongs> im trolling
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2017-02-14T01:27:13 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/need-expert-altium/
2017-02-14T01:27:22 < dongs> yeah, okay
2017-02-14T01:27:34 < dongs> > expert > fpga > altium > $30
2017-02-14T01:29:49 < corecode> but people are bidding on it
2017-02-14T01:30:05 < corecode> xploitr
2017-02-14T01:35:19 < dongs> those arent people
2017-02-14T01:37:54 < KreAture_> Laurenceb I think this will work 
2017-02-14T01:47:47 < kakimir> fukken work it doesn't end..
2017-02-14T01:51:40 < kakimir> there is always more
2017-02-14T01:51:43 < kakimir> and more
2017-02-14T01:55:57 < kakimir> I should but first I should stop being one
2017-02-14T02:02:02 <@englishman> https://i.imgur.com/biLGj73.png
2017-02-14T02:02:26 < kakimir> who is he?
2017-02-14T02:02:34 <@englishman> emperor of canada
2017-02-14T02:04:55 < kakimir> what is the pumpers name?
2017-02-14T02:05:07 <@englishman> justin beaver
2017-02-14T02:06:01 < kakimir> http://orig04.deviantart.net/30c2/f/2011/207/e/0/justin_bieber_or_justin_beaver_by_mudkip97-d41qfd6.jpg
2017-02-14T02:07:27 < kakimir> I assume it's the prime minister
2017-02-14T02:08:12 < kakimir> Justin Trudeau
2017-02-14T02:08:44 <@englishman> ur rite
2017-02-14T02:10:00 < kakimir> no homo.. but he's like one of the most handsome man politicians I have seen
2017-02-14T02:12:25 <@englishman> also wealthy and famous his entire life
2017-02-14T02:13:46 < kakimir> http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/mulcairkiss2.jpg canadian politics
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2017-02-14T02:31:21 < Laurenceb_> http://cf.girlsaskguys.com/q2147556/9504cc0f-f6df-4ce6-83c3-22ae0386f712.jpg
2017-02-14T02:31:23 < Laurenceb_> fapfapfap
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2017-02-14T02:33:41 < kakimir> she has grown?
2017-02-14T02:35:34 < Laurenceb_> lul what do you think
2017-02-14T02:35:46 < Laurenceb_> female Arnold Schwartznegger
2017-02-14T02:36:11 < kakimir> steroids?
2017-02-14T02:36:23 < Laurenceb_> probably
2017-02-14T02:37:19 < kakimir> I don't understand one group of friends I have.. the all do steroids
2017-02-14T02:37:30 < kakimir> *they
2017-02-14T02:38:01 < kakimir> and drugs
2017-02-14T02:38:23 < kakimir> still they are weak
2017-02-14T02:39:28 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-02-14T02:41:47 < kakimir> also stress their economy
2017-02-14T02:49:56 < dongs> cool
2017-02-14T02:50:00 < dongs> picked up my proprinter
2017-02-14T02:50:10 < dongs> lemme see if I can make a imgur .gicvf
2017-02-14T02:51:45 < dongs> wow. imgur app doenst make gifs
2017-02-14T02:51:47 < dongs> hwo fucking pro
2017-02-14T02:54:03 < dongs> ...
2017-02-14T02:54:08 < dongs> i can ONLY enter a video URL
2017-02-14T02:54:09 < dongs> what the fuck man
2017-02-14T02:55:10 < dongs> englishman: https://gfycat.com/ExhaustedKeyBlueandgoldmackaw
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2017-02-14T03:04:39 < aandrew> dongs: oh that's interesting 
2017-02-14T03:04:54 < dongs> locally made clone of $10 lpkf thing
2017-02-14T03:04:56 < dongs> er $10k
2017-02-14T03:04:56 < aandrew> then the board comes up from the bottom?
2017-02-14T03:04:59 < dongs> yes
2017-02-14T03:11:17 < BrainDamage> because of the alps in australia?
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2017-02-14T03:18:50 < kakimir> what is wrong with me clock is 3AM and I'm super sleepy..
2017-02-14T03:19:28 < kakimir> my stay awake superpowers are fading
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2017-02-14T03:26:51 < ReadError> you aint bout dat kakimir 
2017-02-14T03:33:10 < ReadError> lol dongs 
2017-02-14T03:33:11 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/a9bDERrKYWI?t=383
2017-02-14T03:33:17 < ReadError> sounds like hes doing a commercial 
2017-02-14T03:33:39 < dongs> who cares
2017-02-14T03:33:55 < ReadError> oops https://youtu.be/a9bDERrKYWI?t=409
2017-02-14T03:34:01 < ReadError> wow such fast, such comfort
2017-02-14T03:34:04 < ReadError> safety
2017-02-14T03:34:13 < ReadError> latest maglev technology
2017-02-14T03:34:36 < dongs> is it a coincidence that president of the united states is shortened to POTUS, which contains the word "pot"
2017-02-14T03:34:42 < dongs> just more proof usa is full of stoners
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2017-02-14T03:44:45 < dongs> i dont drink cofee
2017-02-14T03:45:38 < dongs> i'm full of innovation
2017-02-14T03:48:11 < Laurenceb_> llu hyperloop
2017-02-14T03:48:24 < Laurenceb_> I'm sure Musk was on pot when he came up with that
2017-02-14T03:48:40 < Laurenceb_> recently I realised the speed limit he came up with isnt even real
2017-02-14T03:48:47 < Laurenceb_> there is literally no reason for hyperloop
2017-02-14T03:50:33 < Laurenceb_> just run a mine cart down a sewer
2017-02-14T03:50:38 < Laurenceb_> thats my hyperloop clone
2017-02-14T03:57:35 < Laurenceb_> maybe he could fap into a sewer and use the spunk as pod lubricant
2017-02-14T03:57:38 < Laurenceb_> a cunning plan
2017-02-14T03:57:44 < Laurenceb_> *cumming
2017-02-14T03:58:10 < Laurenceb_> but seriously.. I don't get why hyperloop is a thing
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2017-02-14T04:00:01 < Laurenceb_> maybe its some sort of psy-ops to see if people can be conned with pure bullshit
2017-02-14T04:00:20 < Laurenceb_> or maybe its an ego trip and to hype Tesla batteries
2017-02-14T04:00:22 < Laurenceb_> probably that
2017-02-14T04:03:43 < Laurenceb_> in other news I found Musk on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/5tu111/attempt_at_capturing_telemetry_from_live_webstream/ddpo065/
2017-02-14T04:06:47 < dongs> wait, shuttle isnt flying?
2017-02-14T04:07:14 < dongs> how do they get people on/off the iss
2017-02-14T04:07:30 < Laurenceb_> Soyuz
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2017-02-14T04:22:15 < dongs> upgrdman: never seen allwhiner shit in PoP. i think its jsut too cheap
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2017-02-14T04:25:13 < dongs> 5.23 yes
2017-02-14T04:25:14 < dongs> already.
2017-02-14T04:25:15 < dongs> using
2017-02-14T04:29:35 < upgrdman> dongs, k. isnt assembling PoP more expensive? thought it'd be one normal reflow and done?
2017-02-14T04:29:39 < upgrdman> is*
2017-02-14T04:30:15 < dongs> i think *packaging* pop is more expensive
2017-02-14T04:30:20 < dongs> as far as die bonding goes
2017-02-14T04:31:40 < upgrdman> o ok
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2017-02-14T04:37:02 < dongs> mm nice
2017-02-14T04:37:08 < dongs> even power management on this new board works
2017-02-14T04:37:16 < dongs> i left a resistor there to disable it in case shit failed
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2017-02-14T04:37:24 < dongs> level up
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2017-02-14T04:54:09 < dongs> Personal 84% OFF, cocks
2017-02-14T04:54:14 < dongs> ^ ad in spam
2017-02-14T05:00:47 < upgrdman> is Caro a guy's or girl's name? belgium i think.
2017-02-14T05:05:42 < dongs> upgrdman is getting catfish'd
2017-02-14T05:05:53 < upgrdman> ?
2017-02-14T05:05:55 < dongs> put that dick down, or you;ll find out its leelooman on the other end
2017-02-14T05:06:09 < upgrdman> wtf does catfish'd mean
2017-02-14T05:06:15 < dongs> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=catfished
2017-02-14T05:06:39 < upgrdman> o lol no
2017-02-14T05:06:51 < upgrdman> i was asking because of http://carotillustrations.be/
2017-02-14T05:07:01 < upgrdman> his/her youtube vids are kinda intriguing
2017-02-14T05:07:14 < dongs> another fucking patreon begger
2017-02-14T05:07:41 < dongs> art style looks like some furfag stuff
2017-02-14T05:08:21 < dongs> upgrdman: the videos dont haev voice? lol
2017-02-14T05:08:38 < upgrdman> no, just instructmental music
2017-02-14T05:08:48 < upgrdman> e.g.  https://youtu.be/fw3u5RcLFcE?t=195
2017-02-14T05:11:31 < dongs> https://www.facebook.com/caro.tuts could be a m2f
2017-02-14T05:12:43 < dongs> when you go through ~10 social media profiles and NOT ONE OF HTEM MENTIONS GENDER
2017-02-14T05:12:56 < dongs> then you go HMMM
2017-02-14T05:13:40 < dongs> profile pics contains gay pride colored shit. m2f confirmed
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2017-02-14T05:17:16 < dongs> fuckin emeb ragequitting
2017-02-14T05:18:04 < aandrew> ... he didn't say anything
2017-02-14T05:18:14 < dongs> thats how he usually does it
2017-02-14T05:18:28 < emeb_mac> I'm stil here
2017-02-14T05:18:35 < emeb_mac> just moved to a different computer
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2017-02-14T05:47:24 < upgrdman> lol, ultrawide monitors in portrait mode. that would piss me right the fuck off    http://imgur.com/a/xG0wm
2017-02-14T05:47:50 < dongs> good for phpfaggots like the guy who psoted it
2017-02-14T05:49:31 < dongs> wait waht fucking language is this
2017-02-14T05:49:32 < dongs> is tha python
2017-02-14T05:49:34 < dongs> or javashit
2017-02-14T05:49:56 < dongs> type: "GET",
2017-02-14T05:49:58 < dongs> s.ajx()
2017-02-14T05:50:00 < dongs> sounds ilke javashit then
2017-02-14T05:50:29 < dongs> i think the screenshot is actualyl fucking VIM
2017-02-14T05:54:21 < upgrdman> quality soldiering   https://gfycat.com/DiscreteVigilantBlacklab
2017-02-14T05:54:56 < dongs> damn pakis
2017-02-14T05:54:57 < upgrdman> that faggot strafing left and right with two rifles, lol
2017-02-14T06:00:06 < dongs> anyone here a fishfag? do I need some special lights for trash liek guppies or can they just fuck off with regular daylight from time to time
2017-02-14T06:04:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FrKi6s6.jpg
2017-02-14T06:14:00 < aandrew> yeah I don't know about vertical monitors, even regular 1080p on its side is weird
2017-02-14T06:14:09 < aandrew> I do like the office though
2017-02-14T06:20:58 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/GQpGDTL.gifv
2017-02-14T06:30:49 < ds2> Hmmmmmmm
2017-02-14T06:31:02 <@englishman> dongs: neat gay anus stretcher apparatus
2017-02-14T06:33:49 < dongs> yes
2017-02-14T06:34:00 < dongs> sir can you remove your @, it looks gay as fuck when you chat
2017-02-14T06:34:20 < dongs> (in my shitty opensores irc client)
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2017-02-14T06:37:08 < englishman> gay
2017-02-14T06:37:34 < englishman> @ to c u
2017-02-14T06:38:19 < englishman> dicked around in the farm this morning, so many kittens there
2017-02-14T06:38:26 < englishman> some sleeping on top of cows
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2017-02-14T06:38:43 < dongs> upgrdcuck can stay opped
2017-02-14T06:46:28 <@upgrdman> i promise to use my power for good
2017-02-14T06:47:06 < englishman> yea rite
2017-02-14T06:47:26 <@upgrdman> ^_^
2017-02-14T06:48:19 < englishman> i got a cool solenoid today
2017-02-14T06:49:33 <@upgrdman> wuts cool about it?
2017-02-14T06:51:36 < emeb_mac> kittens on cows. how... bucolic
2017-02-14T06:52:36 < englishman> so many kittens
2017-02-14T06:52:42 < dongs> is someone autisming
2017-02-14T06:52:45 < dongs> i see no kittens
2017-02-14T06:53:00 < englishman> too dark and too fast
2017-02-14T06:56:34 < emeb_mac> englishman: your farm?
2017-02-14T06:58:10 < boB_K7IQ> englishman  You have pictures of kittens sleeping on cows ?  Would love to see that
2017-02-14T06:58:49 < emeb_mac> you can't handle teh qute
2017-02-14T06:59:17 < englishman> what am I gonna do with a farm
2017-02-14T06:59:35 < boB_K7IQ> put up antennas ?
2017-02-14T06:59:55 < emeb_mac> fsck if I know. maybe you have a life outside of ##stm32
2017-02-14T07:00:34 < boB_K7IQ> grow pot ?
2017-02-14T07:00:52 < boB_K7IQ> corn ?
2017-02-14T07:07:29 < englishman> there are some cool antennas, even dgps
2017-02-14T07:07:54 < englishman> used for automated corn stuff
2017-02-14T07:10:19 <@upgrdman> automated corn? wat
2017-02-14T07:11:29 <@upgrdman> this kind of corn automation?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LE8tubZaNc
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2017-02-14T07:14:41 < englishman> automation makes corn cheap enough to waste and throw away, so in a way yeah
2017-02-14T07:15:19 < emeb_mac> wireless kittens
2017-02-14T07:20:17 < aandrew> most kittens are wireless
2017-02-14T07:20:28 < aandrew> if they eat tinsel though they might have a little wire
2017-02-14T07:24:10 < emeb_mac> hah - once one of ours found a spool of string...
2017-02-14T07:24:36 < emeb_mac> started swallowing it. ran around the house with the spool dangling out of his mouth
2017-02-14T07:24:59 < emeb_mac> I caught him, started pulling it out. pulled out like 10' or so.
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2017-02-14T07:48:37 < ds2> could be worse, you could be pull it on the other end ;)
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2017-02-14T07:58:21 < emeb_mac> crt: my sister lives in Melbourne - had a possum in her attic a few weeks back. called the possum catcher and is now possum free.
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2017-02-14T08:16:09 < ohsix> balls
2017-02-14T08:17:38 < ohsix> got some real shit 'gooi' tweezers
2017-02-14T08:18:35 < ohsix> lul these are plain not the right ones either
2017-02-14T08:36:21 < dongs> fuck wasted 40km driving
2017-02-14T08:36:27 < dongs> nothing around here has a fucing RJ45 crimper what the FUCK JAPAN
2017-02-14T08:36:32 < dongs> 21st fucking century motherfuckers
2017-02-14T08:36:44 < ohsix> i have one
2017-02-14T08:36:51 < ohsix> hey-oo
2017-02-14T08:38:24 < ohsix> upgrdman: no goop
2017-02-14T08:38:40 < ohsix> the ebay delivery estimate ends at march 02, so i can't even start shit until then olol
2017-02-14T08:45:45 <@upgrdman> ohsix, that sux
2017-02-14T08:45:56 <@upgrdman> well tbh it seemd like a gimmick anyway
2017-02-14T08:46:12 <@upgrdman> feather duster would be easier in like 95% of the cases
2017-02-14T08:46:18 <@upgrdman> jizz gel is just meh
2017-02-14T08:47:20 < ohsix> sure
2017-02-14T08:47:25 < ohsix> but i wanted to play with it
2017-02-14T08:50:46 < boB_K7IQ> That was a corny video @upgrdman
2017-02-14T08:52:20 <@upgrdman> @? this be twitter now huh
2017-02-14T08:52:41 < ohsix> well, you are @upgrdman
2017-02-14T08:53:15 < ohsix> that explains why you can DUMP LINKS and i can't
2017-02-14T08:53:16 < ohsix> huhuhu
2017-02-14T08:53:44 < boB_K7IQ> Just found that my STM32F446 project compromised timer PWM clocks in just the right way.  Wanted ALL timers to use the fast clocks (either 180 MHz or 90 MHz) but some timers are 90 MHz and some are only 45 MHz unfortunately
2017-02-14T08:54:12 < boB_K7IQ> Oh well...  Will be OK I think
2017-02-14T08:54:38 < boB_K7IQ> Wish ST had a part with more high resolution PWM 
2017-02-14T08:55:32 < ohsix> how do you mean, doesn't it just get divided by 1/2/4/8 in the clock tree, then maybe go to a timer?
2017-02-14T08:55:32 < boB_K7IQ> Yes, there is that AT sign in your nick, upgrdman.  I think tweeter uses # and not @ ??
2017-02-14T08:55:47 <@upgrdman> oh heh, my irc client doesnt use @ for ops
2017-02-14T08:55:50 <@upgrdman> TIL
2017-02-14T08:55:58 < ohsix> irc does tho
2017-02-14T08:56:01 < ohsix> ur client suz
2017-02-14T08:56:05 < ohsix> SUUZZZ
2017-02-14T08:56:17 < boB_K7IQ> Unfortunately there are two APB busses.  One is 180 MHz /2  and one is 180 MHz /4 maximum frequency
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2017-02-14T08:56:29 < ohsix> o
2017-02-14T08:56:45 < ohsix> my point of reference is the 103 and i haven't even remembered that very well
2017-02-14T08:56:51 <@upgrdman> so i bought one of these https://www.amazon.com/OXO-Grips-Microfiber-Delicate-Duster/dp/B00HWNVEXK/ref=sr_1_9_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1487055387&sr=1-9&keywords=duster
2017-02-14T08:57:03 < boB_K7IQ> And I did not see that originally when designing the PCB  BUT turns out I compromised those timers in the correct way (I think)
2017-02-14T08:57:04 <@upgrdman> turns out, if you wash it, its FUCKING RUNED
2017-02-14T08:57:15 <@upgrdman> matts up like black people hair
2017-02-14T08:57:18 <@upgrdman> fucking useless
2017-02-14T08:57:29 < boB_K7IQ> velcro
2017-02-14T08:57:30 <@upgrdman> even tho they say to machine wash it
2017-02-14T08:58:39 < boB_K7IQ> Probably causes static electricity and blows up the STM32 anyway
2017-02-14T08:59:28 < boB_K7IQ> I could use one of those pom-poms at the end of my vacuum cleaner hose
2017-02-14T09:01:12 < boB_K7IQ> Maybe dry clean it ?  Too much trouble
2017-02-14T09:01:33 < boB_K7IQ> Just vacuum the dust off of it ?
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2017-02-14T09:02:49 <@upgrdman> fuck it, i have other dusters that are good and wash/dry'able
2017-02-14T09:03:03 <@upgrdman> like those green microfiber mini dildo style dusters
2017-02-14T09:12:14 <@upgrdman> so the stm32's with like 180mhz+ timers, can they toggle gpio's very fast? >100MHz?
2017-02-14T09:12:35 < boB_K7IQ> I think so
2017-02-14T09:13:13 < boB_K7IQ> Coud bit-bang but I'm not able to just sit in a loop for timing
2017-02-14T09:13:36 < boB_K7IQ> I really like the HS PWMs they have
2017-02-14T09:13:56 < boB_K7IQ> But it was a kind of slow ARM.  I really like 180 MHz processor speed
2017-02-14T09:14:17 < boB_K7IQ> Not HS PWM....  High resolution
2017-02-14T09:14:34 < boB_K7IQ> equivalent of a few GHz clock speed
2017-02-14T09:14:50 < boB_K7IQ> Nothing's perfect
2017-02-14T09:19:10 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZe5J8SVCYQ
2017-02-14T09:19:11 < ohsix> lul
2017-02-14T09:19:19 < ohsix> upgrdman: at least 50mhz
2017-02-14T09:19:32 < ohsix> there's speed settings on the pin complexes
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2017-02-14T09:20:35 < ohsix> upgrdman: do you think that video explains a control system well
2017-02-14T09:20:57 <@upgrdman> very
2017-02-14T09:21:14 <@upgrdman> im glad i saved some 60's era books on inertial nav systems
2017-02-14T09:21:20 <@upgrdman> so fucking well written
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2017-02-14T09:23:51 <@upgrdman> i have this urge to make a control moment gyroscope, but i have absolutely no fucking use for one
2017-02-14T09:24:04 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-14T09:24:12 < ohsix> what's the title of one of em
2017-02-14T09:24:20 < ohsix> i got a springer control systems book recently that's pretty old
2017-02-14T09:24:36 < ohsix> oh,  not springer, just looks like it
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2017-02-14T09:25:03 < ohsix> https://www.amazon.com/feedback-control-McGraw-Hill-systems-engineering/dp/B0007DZ9HY woot, 58
2017-02-14T09:25:15 < ohsix> shit is still legit though
2017-02-14T09:25:17 < ohsix> science is great
2017-02-14T09:25:36 < ohsix> a gyro may have been 300lbs when it was published, but the shit is still the same
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2017-02-14T09:29:36 < boB_K7IQ> what a GREAT explanation of missle guidance systems, ohsix !
2017-02-14T09:30:28 <@upgrdman> ohsix, inertial navigation analysis and design
2017-02-14T09:30:38 <@upgrdman> the blue book here   http://farrellf.com/temp/old_books.jpg
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2017-02-14T09:44:00 < ohsix> boB_K7IQ: heheh, it's nto wrong but it's the dumbest way to try and explain what is happening
2017-02-14T09:44:17 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice
2017-02-14T09:44:33 < ohsix> i've got the c programming language one by k&r sitting right here too lolol
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2017-02-14T09:44:59 < ohsix> that upgrading and maintaining your pc book is so old it's not even funny
2017-02-14T09:45:10 < ohsix> unlike the manuals for turbo c
2017-02-14T09:45:48 < ohsix> cedric finton o'donnell is a classy ass name
2017-02-14T09:48:37 < ohsix> upgrdman: i used obs to record one of the classes at the lab today
2017-02-14T09:48:49 < ohsix> we might end up streaming them, or have a few in the lab or something
2017-02-14T09:49:00 <@upgrdman> ohsix, cool
2017-02-14T09:49:05 < ohsix> don't want to produce video because that's a lot of work, but shitting out something interesting easily would be cool
2017-02-14T09:49:14 < ohsix> i'm gonna make some 3d printed 'ON AIR' lights ololol
2017-02-14T09:49:26 < ohsix> and maybe use a nrf24 or something to turn them all on or off
2017-02-14T09:49:53 <@upgrdman> i've been happy with OBS except that ti doesnt seem to capture my mouse pointer always. liek the normal arrow is captured, but an i-beam point never get recorded
2017-02-14T09:50:13 < ohsix> i wanted to stream the presentation computer to an overflow room, cuz for some classes there are close to too many people, but doing that lets us record it and do other shit
2017-02-14T09:50:43 < ohsix> need to setup red5, was using rtmplite but there's some fuckup with h264, clients that connect can never sync
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2017-02-14T09:51:52 < ohsix> people have other ideas, but i don't think they're workable lul
2017-02-14T09:52:13 < ohsix> like two way communication to the overflow room, overflow room was just so people who wanted to sit in could see presentation
2017-02-14T09:53:32 < ohsix> hm heh these old inertial books are neat. first one i get my hands on talk about only using one gyro and one dimension lul
2017-02-14T09:53:43 <@upgrdman> ohsix, so you work at a hackerspace or something?
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2017-02-14T09:53:58 < ohsix> kind of weird to think they had to do that for expense/weight when we've got accelerometers and gyros in a tiny package
2017-02-14T09:54:03 < ohsix> sort of
2017-02-14T09:54:17 < ohsix> they get contract work, i did some of that
2017-02-14T09:54:24 < ohsix> but they do lots of stuff and i'm around tohelp and shit
2017-02-14T09:55:05 < ohsix> probably could bill for the time i'm helping lul, but i haven't, i'm there using the equipment and shit otherwise
2017-02-14T09:56:57 < Steffanx> So where does ohsix gets his money from?
2017-02-14T09:56:58 < ohsix> the classes are inexpensive, the instructors get paid for their time and shit but it's more of a community learning / opportunity thing
2017-02-14T09:57:49 < ohsix> people that come to the lab largely don't know that stuff is being done in bend lul
2017-02-14T09:59:40 < ohsix> my chances of a 'real job' are a lot better now after a bit of networking
2017-02-14T09:59:56 < ohsix> the place that makes plasma cutters is really kewl, and hurting for a loonix / computer guy
2017-02-14T10:00:12 < ohsix> the control computer they put on those things is perfunctory huhuhuhuhu
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2017-02-14T10:11:54 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4kckRGWIAMiJPY.jpg:large oroville dam emergency spillway
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2017-02-14T10:15:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0vYQNqc.jpg my 218 meters link is working much better now that i took it outside. before the antenna was just sitting behind a window
2017-02-14T10:15:22 < dongs> sterna: patreon
2017-02-14T10:15:24 < dongs> err
2017-02-14T10:15:28 < dongs> Steffanx: patreon
2017-02-14T10:16:21 < ohsix> https://www.patreon.com/esr loooooooooooool 
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2017-02-14T10:28:18 < Steffanx> Lol i knew you would get triggered, but i "need" an answer of ohsix ;)
2017-02-14T10:28:38 < dongs> ^_^
2017-02-14T10:34:13 < ohsix> dongs you need to get in on what eric s raymond is doing
2017-02-14T10:34:17 < ohsix> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2017-February/147391.html this is god tier
2017-02-14T10:34:28 < ohsix> Steffanx: contract electronics junk
2017-02-14T10:34:32 < ohsix> design/assembly
2017-02-14T10:35:03 < ohsix> thought it was already clear so i didn't understand what you were asking, heh
2017-02-14T10:38:05 < dongs> <@upgrdman> oh heh, my irc client doesnt use @ for ops
2017-02-14T10:38:08 < dongs> what the fuck?
2017-02-14T10:38:13 < dongs> what garbage does he use
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2017-02-14T10:38:21 < dongs> thats been standard since irc started
2017-02-14T10:39:53 < ReadError> dongs: u tried weechat ?
2017-02-14T10:40:01 < ReadError> its way nicer than irssi
2017-02-14T10:40:06 < dongs> i'm not a faggot
2017-02-14T10:40:09 < dongs> so no
2017-02-14T10:40:20 < ReadError> i duno mang....
2017-02-14T10:40:28 < ReadError> i never used it before a bit back
2017-02-14T10:40:36 < ReadError> but its waaaay beyond irssi now
2017-02-14T10:41:21 < ReadError> gotta get that GNU $$$ brah
2017-02-14T10:41:57 < ohsix> it is butts
2017-02-14T10:43:41 < ReadError> excuse me? its butts?
2017-02-14T10:45:22 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
2017-02-14T10:47:55 < ReadError> then get one
2017-02-14T10:49:19 < ReadError> sux
2017-02-14T10:49:20 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-14T10:49:31 < ohsix> google news maps old ass urls to the new youtube style ones
2017-02-14T10:49:53 < ohsix> i wonder if there is a hash for the old urls or if they convert it, if they convert it there's a chance of finding out the scheme youtube uses lul
2017-02-14T10:50:03 < ReadError> new youtube sux
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2017-02-14T10:52:02 < dongs> http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56262 haha
2017-02-14T10:52:34 < ReadError> did they not update ur ui?
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2017-02-14T11:02:36 < ReadError> slow down fatty
2017-02-14T11:06:52 < ReadError> im dying 
2017-02-14T11:06:58 < ReadError> slowly, more and more every day
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2017-02-14T11:08:10 < ohsix> more slowly? like eventually it will stop?
2017-02-14T11:08:18 < ohsix> wat is new youtube
2017-02-14T11:08:22 -!- MrSheesh is now known as Mr_Sheesh
2017-02-14T11:08:26 < ohsix> i watch it a bunch and haven't noticed
2017-02-14T11:08:37 < ReadError> did yours not turn all differetn?
2017-02-14T11:10:11 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ttKbe46o/yotube1.png
2017-02-14T11:10:39 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MxpgblYv/yotube2.png
2017-02-14T11:11:27 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-14T11:11:40 < ohsix> nope it hasn't
2017-02-14T11:11:46 < ohsix> but that isn't a huge change
2017-02-14T11:11:54 < ohsix> you're probably in an a/b test
2017-02-14T11:12:45 < ReadError> https://www.winxdvd.com/resource/pics/savefrom-net-download-youtube-video-2.png
2017-02-14T11:12:49 < ReadError> its quite a bit different
2017-02-14T11:12:53 < ReadError> where you expect to see shit
2017-02-14T11:12:55 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/iS9qD6y.png
2017-02-14T11:12:56 < ReadError> is opposite
2017-02-14T11:13:47 < ohsix> you might be in a material design a/b test in chrome too
2017-02-14T11:14:35 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vaIYKg7J/yotube3.png
2017-02-14T11:14:42 < ReadError> thats how mine looks now
2017-02-14T11:14:55 < ohsix> sec i could take pix of vox
2017-02-14T11:15:32 < ohsix> with the bar on the left hidden http://i.imgur.com/7a72MJ8.png
2017-02-14T11:15:55 < ohsix> Steffanx: http://i.imgur.com/nZJU9Ft.jpg i did this for someone a bit ago
2017-02-14T11:16:19 < ohsix> there's more but the server is a prototype jigger and it has logos and shit in it olol
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2017-02-14T11:16:56 < ohsix> grunt work, got paid a bit but basically doing it as a favor so they have us assmemble stuff in the future
2017-02-14T11:17:08 < Fleck> anyone else has trouble working in mornings, but can work @ night or it's just me?
2017-02-14T11:17:09 < ohsix> don't have pictures of other shit
2017-02-14T11:17:41 < ohsix> Fleck: lul if i can get up it's fine; though having the sun out is pretty tempting to fuck off and get some exercise
2017-02-14T11:17:43 < ReadError> Fleck: yea
2017-02-14T11:17:58 < ReadError> naturally im more alert right when i should be going to sleeep
2017-02-14T11:18:04 < ohsix> are you
2017-02-14T11:18:15 < ReadError> takes me a good few hrs to wake up
2017-02-14T11:19:00 < ohsix> you can fix that up with better diet & discipline olol
2017-02-14T11:19:24 < dongs> why teh fuck would you subscribe to Vox, readSTONER
2017-02-14T11:19:38 < ReadError> dongs: random shits
2017-02-14T11:20:46 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/user/TodayIFoundOut
2017-02-14T11:20:52 < ReadError> this one is pretty interesting too
2017-02-14T11:22:46 < dongs> i subscribe to zero channels on jewtube
2017-02-14T11:23:37 < ReadError> except ole Louis 
2017-02-14T11:23:40 < ReadError> amirite
2017-02-14T11:23:58 < dongs> http://ferduino.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Bottom-side.jpg "designed on brazil"
2017-02-14T11:24:26 < ReadError> bncs? lol
2017-02-14T11:24:48 < dongs> almsot kikemir-class product there
2017-02-14T11:26:43 < ohsix> you saw bnc's over huge d-sub connector?
2017-02-14T11:27:05 < ohsix> huhuhu wow bunch of trs jacks too
2017-02-14T11:27:12 < ohsix> it's an aquarium controller
2017-02-14T11:27:17 < ohsix> http://ferduino.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Top-side.jpg
2017-02-14T11:28:18 < ohsix> ReadError: did you notice the double tap gesture in last youtube app update
2017-02-14T11:28:24 < ohsix> do it on different sides of a video
2017-02-14T11:28:36 < ohsix> also ehh there are trixxx to see if you're in a trial
2017-02-14T11:28:49 < ohsix> go to the bottom of the page and report an issue, it'll list which trials you're in
2017-02-14T11:29:33 < ohsix> "Send feedback" -> "additional info"
2017-02-14T11:30:23 < ohsix> hm google labs shit has a usuability survey opt in now
2017-02-14T11:32:10 < ReadError> i dont use the app
2017-02-14T11:32:16 < ReadError> you mean mobile?
2017-02-14T11:32:32 < ohsix> yea
2017-02-14T11:32:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> well, I use pidgin for irc
2017-02-14T11:32:49 < ohsix> first time i triggered it i thought it was in the video lul
2017-02-14T11:32:55 < dongs> on what OS?
2017-02-14T11:33:22 < ohsix> i've used pidgin, the use of color for stuff is neat
2017-02-14T11:33:26 < ohsix> until a person changes color
2017-02-14T11:33:38 < ohsix> they may have fixed that since i last used it ;]
2017-02-14T11:33:40 < ReadError> color for stuff?
2017-02-14T11:33:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> dongs, windows. On linux I use irssi
2017-02-14T11:33:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> but it does exist for linux
2017-02-14T11:33:53 < dongs> why would you use garbage lunix software on windows
2017-02-14T11:34:03 < dongs> pidgin used to be "gaim" right?
2017-02-14T11:34:04 < ReadError> remember GAIM
2017-02-14T11:34:05 < dongs> some GTK trash
2017-02-14T11:34:06 < ReadError> lol
2017-02-14T11:34:06 < ReadError> ya
2017-02-14T11:34:07 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-14T11:34:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> yeah.
2017-02-14T11:34:11 < ohsix> ReadError: it colors nicks
2017-02-14T11:34:19 < dongs> that shit was fucking awful
2017-02-14T11:34:20 < ReadError> ohsix: yea, so does every other client
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2017-02-14T11:34:32 < ohsix> not irssi
2017-02-14T11:34:40 < ohsix> they have a color, and they use bold
2017-02-14T11:34:40 < dongs> i wanna know what garbage upgdcuck uses 
2017-02-14T11:34:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> Better than freaking xchat than windows, or the firefox plugin one, or the frenode webchat, or freaking discord/slack
2017-02-14T11:34:44 < dongs> so that his ops arent shown with @
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2017-02-14T11:34:49 < ohsix> pidgin gives each nick a different color
2017-02-14T11:35:01 < ReadError> fgfgf
2017-02-14T11:35:08 < ohsix> it's not bad
2017-02-14T11:35:14 < urkchattr> derp
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2017-02-14T11:35:56 < ohsixP> sup
2017-02-14T11:36:03 < ohsixP> :-*
2017-02-14T11:36:22 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zcWeBap9/weedchat.png
2017-02-14T11:36:33 < ReadError> dat cloner detection dough
2017-02-14T11:36:34 < karlp> yeah, slack, cos, let's use @nick instead of irc classic nick: to highlight people.
2017-02-14T11:36:39 < ReadError> @here
2017-02-14T11:36:43 < dongs> @cocks
2017-02-14T11:36:44 < karlp> twitter infected nonsense.
2017-02-14T11:36:55 < ohsixP> that's racist
2017-02-14T11:37:00 < ReadError> weechat has mouse support. can click tabs etc
2017-02-14T11:37:11 < ohsixP> pidgin shows a sheriff's star on chanserv
2017-02-14T11:37:11 < ReadError> v-pro
2017-02-14T11:37:16 < dongs> > tabs
2017-02-14T11:37:16 < karlp> at least there's an irc gateway to slack if you get your slack admin to enable it.
2017-02-14T11:37:17 < dongs> > irc client
2017-02-14T11:37:23 < karlp> can't irc to guest slack channels though
2017-02-14T11:37:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> slack can go jump in a fire. Discord can go jump into a volcano
2017-02-14T11:37:34 < ReadError> dongs: it even has a plugin that will ignore what people say
2017-02-14T11:37:36 < karlp> discord or discourse? are they the same or different?
2017-02-14T11:37:37 < ReadError> but put their name
2017-02-14T11:37:47 < ReadError> so you dont have to be like "oh is ____ talking?"
2017-02-14T11:37:59 < ohsix> i think you misunderstand why dongs does that
2017-02-14T11:38:13 < ohsix> he doesn't want a script :)
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2017-02-14T11:38:56 < Jak_o_Shadows> pidgin you just right click on em and ignore
2017-02-14T11:39:02 < urkchattr> BTC:USD sell = 995.42, buy = 995.80, last = 995.42; high = 995.80, low = 975.00, avg = 985.40  ||  via BTC-e on 2017-Feb-14 09:39:01 Z
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2017-02-14T11:39:27 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy6LgSNPCBk
2017-02-14T11:39:28 < dongs> buttcoin
2017-02-14T11:39:41 < urkchattr> it can do other shits
2017-02-14T11:39:45 < urkchattr> BTC:USD sell = 995.42, buy = 995.80, last = 995.80; high = 995.80, low = 975.00, avg = 985.40  ||  via BTC-e on 2017-Feb-14 09:39:43 Z
2017-02-14T11:39:53 < urkchattr> err 
2017-02-14T11:40:09 < urkchattr> BTC:EUR sell = 958.08, buy = 961.88, last = 958.05; high = 963.60, low = 933.78, avg = 948.69  ||  via BTC-e on 2017-Feb-14 09:40:08 Z
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2017-02-14T11:40:14 < urkchattr> fuck i give up
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2017-02-14T11:40:32 < dongs> hi, it looks like you're trying to be a retard on irc. would y ou like help with that?
2017-02-14T11:41:08 < ReadError> oh it did do it in the euro
2017-02-14T11:41:09 < ohsix> i can load dau.pl
2017-02-14T11:41:15 < ReadError> it just looked so close to usd
2017-02-14T11:41:30 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-14T11:41:44 < ohsix> the problem i was having with ffmpeg/obs was fixed without having to do anything
2017-02-14T11:41:50 < ohsix> it's weird how people don't notice shit not working
2017-02-14T11:42:04 < ReadError> check this out
2017-02-14T11:42:06 < ReadError> https://www.glowing-bear.org/
2017-02-14T11:42:23 < ReadError> can connect right to ur weedchat client 
2017-02-14T11:42:35 < dongs> lemem just type my password
2017-02-14T11:42:38 < dongs> into a random opensores webstie'
2017-02-14T11:42:43 < ReadError> oops, https://github.com/glowing-bear/glowing-bear
2017-02-14T11:42:44 < ReadError> nah
2017-02-14T11:42:45 < dongs> loox legit
2017-02-14T11:42:49 < ReadError> you can dl and do your own 
2017-02-14T11:42:54 < ReadError> sorry meant to post github
2017-02-14T11:43:02 < dongs> fuk javashit
2017-02-14T11:43:07 < dongs> im not upgradman
2017-02-14T11:43:15 < ohsix> need proof of that
2017-02-14T11:43:44 < ohsix> crt: this is you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCjyiEOZP44
2017-02-14T11:43:57 < ReadError> https://weechat.org/scripts/
2017-02-14T11:44:12 < ReadError> all these scripts are avail, just gotta do like, /script install <name>
2017-02-14T11:44:38 < ReadError> alls im saying is, its way past irssi at this point 
2017-02-14T11:45:41 < dongs> is it written in C++
2017-02-14T11:46:28 < ReadError> C
2017-02-14T11:46:35 < ReadError> like god intended 
2017-02-14T11:47:01 < ReadError> https://github.com/weechat/weechat/blob/master/src/core/wee-secure.c
2017-02-14T11:48:08 < ReadError> mobileclient can connect straight to client 
2017-02-14T11:48:55 < ReadError> +b this ninja
2017-02-14T11:53:00 < ReadError> attn dongs 
2017-02-14T11:53:03 < ReadError> PewDiePie loses Disney deal as a result of anti-Semitic imagery
2017-02-14T11:53:03 < ReadError> The Verge	 - ‎7 hours ago‎	
2017-02-14T11:53:03 < ReadError> Disney has cut ties with YouTube sensation Felix “PewDiePie” Kjellberg after he incorporated anti-Semitic jokes and Nazi references into several of his videos.
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2017-02-14T13:04:32 < ohsix> 03:04 -!- Topic for #eevblog: Welcome to #eevblog! Today's Dave is eevblogdave. Channel rules: http://goo.gl/S4BZJq | Stats: http://goo.gl/7GtYOx
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2017-02-14T13:04:34 < ohsix> h3h
2017-02-14T13:04:53 < ohsix> he twatted where he was lurking
2017-02-14T13:10:11 < ReadError> id join to watch dongs troll him
2017-02-14T13:11:14 < dongs> who?
2017-02-14T13:11:19 < dongs> i dont troll
2017-02-14T13:11:25 < dongs> you must have me confused with someone else
2017-02-14T13:11:32 < ohsix> clicking around inertial navigation books
2017-02-14T13:11:42 < ohsix> why don't they publish some of this stuff as documented code
2017-02-14T13:11:59 < ohsix> would be a neat format
2017-02-14T13:12:53 < ReadError> its not on freenode
2017-02-14T13:12:56 < ohsix> ReadError: he misses out on some funny opportunities
2017-02-14T13:13:22 < ReadError> or if it is, theres only like 5 people
2017-02-14T13:13:36 < ohsix> yep, exactly 5 people
2017-02-14T13:13:38 < ReadError> oh, afternet
2017-02-14T13:13:39 < ReadError> fuck that
2017-02-14T13:13:41 < ohsix> joined that first by mistake
2017-02-14T13:13:51 < ReadError> kevtris
2017-02-14T13:17:00 < dongs> i think kevtris is actually gay
2017-02-14T13:17:04 < dongs> or maybe stoned
2017-02-14T13:17:08 < dongs> or perhaps both
2017-02-14T13:17:51 < ReadError> haha
2017-02-14T13:17:59 < ReadError> whys that
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2017-02-14T13:39:04 < ohsix> this window is getting fat as hell
2017-02-14T13:39:20 < ohsix> <ReadError> dongs: notice me senpai
2017-02-14T13:41:50 < ReadError> dont care
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2017-02-14T13:46:45 < Steffanx> Its valentines day! Be nive too each other!
2017-02-14T13:46:52 < Steffanx> Show them your looove
2017-02-14T13:46:58 < Steffanx> Nice*
2017-02-14T13:54:59 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Trollfjord
2017-02-14T13:55:05 < zyp> I'm currently on this boat
2017-02-14T13:55:44 < zyp> appropriate name?
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2017-02-14T14:11:55 < karlp> buy for more than $25 on RS today and they'-ll send you a box of chocolates ;)
2017-02-14T14:12:14 < Steffanx> No stroopwaffles?
2017-02-14T14:13:22 < karlp> zyp's on the hurtiyurtigurty
2017-02-14T14:13:48 < ReadError> excuse me?
2017-02-14T14:14:51 < zyp> karlp, heh
2017-02-14T14:15:50 < kakimir> why you are going to kirkenes?
2017-02-14T14:16:05 < karlp> ReadError: zyp's too cool to fly, being all retiree and riding the scenic boat down the coast.
2017-02-14T14:16:19 < kakimir> kirkenes sounds familiar
2017-02-14T14:16:31 < ReadError> easier to boat & drink
2017-02-14T14:16:40 < karlp> we've got some kirkenes too.
2017-02-14T14:16:44 < karlp> silly languages.
2017-02-14T14:17:06 < karlp> not sure really what'ðs better, plain names like "church point" or naming everything after a person like australia.
2017-02-14T14:17:31 < kakimir> zyp: do you live in kirkenes?
2017-02-14T14:19:01 < kakimir> 69degrees 43minutes and 37seconds north
2017-02-14T14:19:40 < karlp> hurtyyruty goes all the way along the coast kaks, you can hop on/off anywhere.
2017-02-14T14:19:57 < kakimir> yes I assume that too
2017-02-14T14:23:32 < kakimir> lifeblood of the small communities along the coast?
2017-02-14T14:25:46 < zyp> I didn't hop on in kirkenes
2017-02-14T14:25:56 < zyp> actually, I don't even think I've ever been there
2017-02-14T14:28:04 < kakimir> is it faster to drive than go on ferry?
2017-02-14T14:28:11 < kakimir> in norway
2017-02-14T14:28:15 < kakimir> along the coast
2017-02-14T14:29:53 < karlp> (insert EV limited by range jibe...)
2017-02-14T14:30:24 < kakimir> let's assume we have modern diesel sedan
2017-02-14T14:31:40 < dongs> lol
2017-02-14T14:31:46 < dongs> bedtime
2017-02-14T14:31:58 < zyp> karlp, well, that's exactly why
2017-02-14T14:32:31 < zyp> there's a few places that's missing a fast charger
2017-02-14T14:32:44 < kakimir> is there one in the ferry?
2017-02-14T14:38:32 < kakimir> my bet is in finland there is no designated EV parking in the ferry but you are probably able to sneak your charger cord if long enought to some power outlet with assistance of the crew
2017-02-14T14:41:02 < kakimir> https://www.google.fi/maps/place/E6,+Norja/@66.4613838,15.2221811,3a,75y,211.88h,87.13t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skvTgoml1YDEe0tThRD_2RQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DkvTgoml1YDEe0tThRD_2RQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D208.4331%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x4679451b7bf9e7ff:0x39ff3c4bfbb3131e!8m2!3d66.461639!4d15.2227915 only highway going north in norway
2017-02-14T14:41:39 < kakimir> sometimes it's half the width
2017-02-14T14:43:11 < kakimir> zoom in anywhere and there is simply no roads
2017-02-14T14:44:50 < kakimir> https://www.google.fi/maps/place/Nordre+Stormdalen/@66.5037283,14.9119616,3a,75y,270h,89.05t,1.59r/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMNsyxZ_GhlW3L4YbNBbaKA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMNsyxZ_GhlW3L4YbNBbaKA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D87.93829%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x4679451b7bf9e7ff:0x39ff3c4bfbb3131e!2sE6,+Norja!3b1!8m2!3d66.461639!4d15.2227915!3m4!1s
2017-02-14T14:46:19 < zyp> well, in theory I could have charged from a normal AC outlet, I'll be on the boat long enough to fully charge the car like six times over
2017-02-14T14:46:36 < zyp> but they have a policy on not charging cars onboard
2017-02-14T14:46:46 < zyp> which is fairly reasonable actually
2017-02-14T14:46:50 < zyp> it doesn't matter
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2017-02-14T14:47:40 < zyp> I used half the battery to go to the port where I got on board, and I'll get off in Trondheim where there'll be a ton of fast chargers within the remaining range
2017-02-14T14:47:46 < kakimir> car deck on fire would be nice
2017-02-14T14:52:04 < kakimir> and self sustaining electric car fire
2017-02-14T14:52:52 < kakimir> at least smoke damages to multiple cars some partially burned
2017-02-14T14:53:20 < kakimir> transport company should pay the expenses
2017-02-14T14:57:16 < kakimir> they want minimize costs
2017-02-14T14:58:21 < kakimir> usually after you turn ignition off and lock the car it rarelly burns to ground by itself
2017-02-14T14:59:46 < kakimir> I wonder if new cars have +B for start motor all the time or is there some contactors
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2017-02-14T15:00:47 < kakimir> usually it is that battery lead to starter motor is always live
2017-02-14T15:01:25 < kakimir> in utility vehicles there is switch to turn all off
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2017-02-14T15:07:03 < zyp> depends how new you're talking, starter motors are pretty old fashioned by now, hybrids usually don't have one
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2017-02-14T15:11:17 < kakimir> depends
2017-02-14T15:11:23 < kakimir> some hybrids have
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2017-02-14T15:29:16 < zyp> kakimir, which ones? all the ones I've looked at are using a high voltage motor-generator that doubles as a starter
2017-02-14T15:34:55 < kakimir> some of the first wave of hyb
2017-02-14T15:34:59 < kakimir> rids
2017-02-14T15:35:45 < zyp> like what?
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2017-02-14T15:41:21 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38965377
2017-02-14T15:43:00 < Steffanx> Cant you next time dump that link somewhere and then join ##stm32
2017-02-14T15:43:58 < kakimir> tubewhoring at it's max.. hitler jokes in every video
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2017-02-14T15:48:43 < kakimir> you watch pewds Laurenceb_ ?
2017-02-14T15:49:19 < Laurenceb_> lul only the funny videos
2017-02-14T15:49:28 < Laurenceb_> no time for vivian james
2017-02-14T15:51:32 < Laurenceb_> correct
2017-02-14T15:51:55 < kakimir> how do you know pewds video has good keks?
2017-02-14T15:52:07 < kakimir> chan lits up?
2017-02-14T15:53:06 < Laurenceb_> correct
2017-02-14T15:53:08 < Rob235> I'm organizing my pic collection.  for albums in folders, would you name the folder with the year first or the album name and year last
2017-02-14T15:53:48 < Rob235> haha
2017-02-14T15:54:36 < Rob235> I think I'm going to do year first, it doesn't look as nice but its more useful
2017-02-14T15:54:46 < karlp> I do "photos/yyyy/yyyy_mm_dd - some name htat helps"
2017-02-14T15:54:54 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: some unicode characters have some emojis or something binded to them
2017-02-14T15:54:58 < karlp> I added the yyyy top level when it got toooo big.
2017-02-14T15:55:01 < kakimir> or such graphics
2017-02-14T15:55:11 < Rob235> I don't have THAT many albums to need that
2017-02-14T15:56:08 < Rob235> apple's photos app is going to do most of the organizing anyway, this is just for backup structure I guess
2017-02-14T15:57:23 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: http://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html
2017-02-14T15:57:25 < zyp> I used to do yyyy/mm/occation
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2017-02-14T15:58:17 < zyp> and then I stopped maintaining it, so now I have new/yyyymmdd (import date)
2017-02-14T15:58:19 < Rob235> I also have certain albums that are combinations of dates so that doesn't work great
2017-02-14T15:58:24 < kakimir> brow. column comes from your browser
2017-02-14T15:58:28 < zyp> with the idea being that I'll sort it some day
2017-02-14T15:58:48 < Rob235> yea my unsorted folders are getting out of hand, thats why I started organizing everything
2017-02-14T15:58:57 < kakimir> I have major part of those emojis visible
2017-02-14T15:58:59 < Rob235> time for a backup anyway
2017-02-14T16:00:05 < zyp> anyway, sorting by time in some way seems like the sanest option overall
2017-02-14T16:00:50 < zyp> if you're sorting by some sort of category then you'll eventually run into a problem with pictures that'll fit multiple categories
2017-02-14T16:00:54 < Rob235> it is until you have random phone pics with one pic taken per day
2017-02-14T16:00:57 < Rob235> then you need some general folders
2017-02-14T16:01:11 < zyp> better to use tags to group stuff that belongs together even though it's taken at different times
2017-02-14T16:01:14 < zyp> well
2017-02-14T16:01:30 < Rob235> so I'd rather not have folders specific to dates and just include the year in 'occasion' folders/albums
2017-02-14T16:01:33 < zyp> my yyyy/mm/occasion model had a yyyy/mm/misc-folder
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2017-02-14T16:02:11 < Rob235> well for example, I have a large 'Private' folder :P that includes pics/vids from many months/years
2017-02-14T16:02:20 < zyp> also, I'm not really talking about plain file structure, I'm talking about the tree structure in my aperture lib :p
2017-02-14T16:02:37 < zyp> internally the aperture lib dumps files in folders by import time
2017-02-14T16:03:44 < Rob235> is aperture better than photos for storing photos?
2017-02-14T16:04:10 < karlp> when I publish, I publish from the internal date-event form to a "event" directory, that can then span multiple days
2017-02-14T16:04:43 < Rob235> yea the metadata is good enough for month/day distinction, year is all I really need, ie: Christmas 2011
2017-02-14T16:05:47 < zyp> Rob235, well, aperture is discontinued, so I guess no :p
2017-02-14T16:05:55 < Rob235> oh ok
2017-02-14T16:06:15 < zyp> «Photos» is like the merger of iPhoto and Aperture or something like that
2017-02-14T16:06:20 < Rob235> I see
2017-02-14T16:06:28 < zyp> but I'm not convinced, and I haven't bothered trying switching yet
2017-02-14T16:06:54 < zyp> to me, Photos seems mostly just like a renamed iPhoto, but idk
2017-02-14T16:07:18 < Rob235> aperture was for editing photos or something?
2017-02-14T16:09:02 < zyp> same shit, just had a more pro-oriented interface
2017-02-14T16:09:13 < Rob235> ahh
2017-02-14T16:09:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/sweden-left-party-toilet-stand_n_1590572.html
2017-02-14T16:13:03 < kakimir> worlds 1# country tackles the real issues
2017-02-14T16:15:59 < ReadError> Rob235: 
2017-02-14T16:16:04 < Rob235> ?
2017-02-14T16:16:06 < ReadError> whats a good temp control mod
2017-02-14T16:17:29 < Rob235> I don't really vape anymore, I have the cuboid: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0417/9001/products/Cuboid_2_large.jpg?v=1453821146 
2017-02-14T16:17:32 < ReadError> something low profile http://www.vaporbeast.com/kanger-juppi-75w-tc-starter-kit.html
2017-02-14T16:17:46 < Rob235> but there are probably better ones out now, and the finish on it turns to shit fairly quickly
2017-02-14T16:17:54 < Rob235> but I love the style and the size
2017-02-14T16:17:57 < ReadError> yea too many new ones
2017-02-14T16:18:00 < kakimir> I wonder if sweden can afford the progressivism they practice
2017-02-14T16:18:21 < Rob235> I don't even touch my vape some days now
2017-02-14T16:18:41 < kakimir> I don't even smoke now
2017-02-14T16:19:30 < Rob235> what wire do you use for TC?
2017-02-14T16:20:27 < kakimir> as extension?
2017-02-14T16:20:35 < kakimir> or the thermocouple itself?
2017-02-14T16:20:50 < Rob235> The only one I can use (that works well enough for me) is 24 ga 316L stainless steel
2017-02-14T16:20:54 < kakimir> thermocouple is a joint of 2 different types of wire
2017-02-14T16:21:06 < Rob235> we are talking about vaping :)
2017-02-14T16:22:24 < Rob235> dual coil 8 wrap .2 ohm
2017-02-14T16:23:01 < kakimir> can I connect from panel mount thermocouple connector to thermostat screw terminal using just about any wire I want as long both are the same material?
2017-02-14T16:23:17 < kakimir> and then prefferably twist them?
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2017-02-14T16:25:47 < ReadError> I have some PT1000 boards I need to assemble
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2017-02-14T16:58:23 < Steffanx> Fix your ircloud englishman
2017-02-14T16:58:30 < Steffanx> Ircclous
2017-02-14T16:58:31 < Steffanx> D
2017-02-14T16:58:58 < emeb> someone misbehaving?
2017-02-14T17:02:19 < Tectu> people o/
2017-02-14T17:02:29 < emeb> \o
2017-02-14T17:14:41 < emeb> Yeah. An OE build for something like a full Beaglebone OS can go from overnight to just a few hours with multi-core options.
2017-02-14T17:15:47 < emeb> 8 is possible. Don't know if the cost is worth it - depends on how often you need to do that I suppose.
2017-02-14T17:16:07 < emeb> I'd guess that switching from spinning rust to SSD would probably be more bang/buck.
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2017-02-14T17:32:39 < englishman> more like freenode problem
2017-02-14T17:32:50 < englishman> other networks are fine
2017-02-14T17:46:43 < zyp> LeelooMinai, just do distcc
2017-02-14T17:47:19 < zyp> compilation jobs are usually pretty trivial to parallelize, since you usually have a bunch of separate translation units
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2017-02-14T18:37:08 < Laurenceb_> le spinning rust meme
2017-02-14T19:00:06 < Laurenceb_> wait is that a troll or not?
2017-02-14T19:00:11 < Laurenceb_> I can't tell any more
2017-02-14T19:00:19 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/e42e859f5e893be3212caf0c34eee818aba9bf086b463ea765f589a0259433ed.png
2017-02-14T19:00:27  * Laurenceb_ checks news
2017-02-14T19:02:14 < Laurenceb_> holy shit wut
2017-02-14T19:02:28 < Laurenceb_> I used to think WWE was the most retarded Murican thing...
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2017-02-14T19:38:21 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEFVxB7AlJw
2017-02-14T19:42:13 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/3dd67205df81d1b86705a1b3d87d74fe1dddf0728384c9d03db89d9e8f52a24d.jpg
2017-02-14T19:42:17 < Laurenceb_> ok I'll stop now
2017-02-14T19:42:47 < zyp> why can't you stop before you start?
2017-02-14T19:45:20 < PaulFertser> Logic. You can't stop something that wasn't started.
2017-02-14T19:46:30 < PaulFertser> Have you stopped drinking brandy in the mornings?
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2017-02-14T19:52:07 < Steffanx> Lol PaulFertser, dont do that. Logic :P
2017-02-14T19:52:41 < emeb> pre 2016 I'd say.
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2017-02-14T20:34:42 < BrainDamage> Rob235: depending on your level of autism you could use a tag based system to classify pics, eg tagsistant which uses fuse or a booru-like program like hydrus
2017-02-14T20:35:23 < Rob235> ahh nah, thats too much
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2017-02-14T20:36:46 < BrainDamage> that's essentially what a booru is, it's  db + query system
2017-02-14T20:37:13 < englishman> zyp: you asked why 24mm feeders look so different from smaller feeders? or was that someone else
2017-02-14T20:38:49 < zyp> yeah, I did
2017-02-14T20:39:10 < englishman> turns out 24mm+ feeders are a totally different type, called FV
2017-02-14T20:39:25 < englishman> which is i guess an older version of CL feeder for the smaller sizes
2017-02-14T20:39:28 < zyp> sure, but why?
2017-02-14T20:39:29 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/YAMAHA-FEEDER-FV8mm/1457082_2055244717.html?spm=2114.12010612.0.0.n8p37S
2017-02-14T20:39:42 < englishman> dono, maybe china never cloned 24mm+ CL feeders, or yamaha never made them
2017-02-14T20:39:57 < zyp> oh, hah, you can get feeders from aliexpress
2017-02-14T20:39:59 < zyp> nice
2017-02-14T20:40:09 < englishman> nah but theres lots of pix there
2017-02-14T20:40:48 < zyp> is $48 for a feeder expensive?
2017-02-14T20:41:12 < englishman> no
2017-02-14T20:41:16 < englishman> that's great
2017-02-14T20:41:24 < englishman> shipped, too
2017-02-14T20:41:31 < englishman> but it's the crappy older FV version
2017-02-14T20:41:36 < zyp> hehe
2017-02-14T20:41:47 < englishman> iirc for CL i paid $50 or $55 + ship
2017-02-14T20:42:05 < zyp> same ballpark
2017-02-14T20:42:12 < englishman> yeah
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2017-02-14T21:28:20 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/4spuB5D.gifv
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2017-02-14T22:28:53 < ReadError> ohsix: they dicked with my youtube again
2017-02-14T22:28:55 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cKmvosC9/yotube4.png
2017-02-14T22:29:00 < ReadError> homepage now
2017-02-14T22:29:05 < ReadError> huge sub buttons
2017-02-14T22:34:22 < Laurenceb_> anyone any good with lunix?
2017-02-14T22:34:24 < Laurenceb_> [1434470.080071] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
2017-02-14T22:35:04 < englishman> whilst
2017-02-14T22:35:17 < englishman> is that English (UK)
2017-02-14T22:35:38 < Laurenceb_> I just want shit to work
2017-02-14T22:35:42 < kakimir> your subscriptions look simple
2017-02-14T22:35:44 < Laurenceb_> thats all I'm asking for
2017-02-14T22:36:15 < englishman> youre asking a lot, from lunix
2017-02-14T22:36:24 < kakimir> my subscriptions.. I just keep scrolling on 'n on it continues
2017-02-14T22:36:29 < Laurenceb_> hmm time to try windozer
2017-02-14T22:37:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-02-14T22:37:27 < Laurenceb_> but windozer takes all year to boot...
2017-02-14T22:37:58 < englishman> time to upgrade to windows 10 pro
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2017-02-14T22:39:18 < Laurenceb_> nope nothing on windozer
2017-02-14T22:39:24 < kakimir> how can it take more than 10seconds to have desktop loaded?
2017-02-14T22:39:24 < Laurenceb_> time to fix it with lunix
2017-02-14T22:39:33 < Laurenceb_> s/10s/10minutes
2017-02-14T22:42:13 < ReadError> kakimir: I have 50+
2017-02-14T22:42:20 < ReadError> they made the icons/text huge
2017-02-14T22:43:43 < ReadError> im alive
2017-02-14T22:43:59 < kakimir> ReadError: three and half hundred
2017-02-14T22:44:17 < kakimir> it's been time since last cleaning..
2017-02-14T22:44:17 < ReadError> kakimir: i have standards
2017-02-14T22:45:55 < kakimir> I get angry when I look at this list
2017-02-14T22:45:57 < Laurenceb_> wtf now my card works
2017-02-14T22:46:01 < Laurenceb_> windows magically fixed it
2017-02-14T22:47:49 < kakimir> you didn't wait too much to drivers to load
2017-02-14T22:48:51 < Laurenceb_> nice, ancient photos recovered
2017-02-14T22:49:34 < kakimir> from where?
2017-02-14T22:49:43 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-02-14T22:50:38 < Laurenceb_> school shooter spotted https://imagebin.ca/v/3CP3IitMz7xq
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2017-02-14T22:53:25 < BrainDamage> decisor
2017-02-14T22:53:29 < BrainDamage> selector
2017-02-14T22:53:33 < BrainDamage> choser
2017-02-14T22:53:37 < BrainDamage> racist
2017-02-14T22:54:09 < BrainDamage> determinant
2017-02-14T22:57:23 < BrainDamage> classifier?
2017-02-14T22:57:49 < BrainDamage> cathegory
2017-02-14T22:58:42 < PeterM_obile> Denominator
2017-02-14T23:03:12 < Kliment> locus
2017-02-14T23:03:46 < Kliment> it's the term used in genetics for something at a fixed position
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2017-02-14T23:27:44 < kakimir> is there chip emulator in keil for cortex chips?
2017-02-14T23:28:04 < kakimir> including peripherals
2017-02-14T23:30:16 < kakimir> core perph as timers and such?
2017-02-14T23:30:33 < kakimir> oh yes
2017-02-14T23:37:28 < kakimir> I forgot how to import CMSIS to project space in lpcxpresso
2017-02-14T23:37:36 < kakimir> I never did it manually I think
2017-02-14T23:37:48 < kakimir> always new project wizard or so
2017-02-14T23:38:22 < Fleck> ;p
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2017-02-14T23:47:29 < kakimir> nah same lpcopen files in older version of lpcxpresso - I just import whole project space
2017-02-14T23:49:03 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_, i found the same guy on the web: http://imgur.com/a/4N98H , same guy as https://imagebin.ca/v/3CP3IitMz7xq
2017-02-14T23:49:35 < Steffanx> School shoot identified.
2017-02-14T23:50:10 < Laurenceb_> I still think it was Sam Hyde
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2017-02-14T23:50:59 < Steffanx> the first guy is Laurenceb_, the second is .. some photo Laurenceb_ posted of himself.
2017-02-14T23:51:34 < Steffanx> <Laurenceb_> school shooter spotted https://imagebin.ca/v/3CP3IitMz7xq
2017-02-14T23:51:49 < Steffanx> dont you see the similarities?
2017-02-14T23:52:11 < Laurenceb_> dude its cuz of the school and expression
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2017-02-15T00:20:54 < kakimir> is there way to import a pile of files to folder in ecplise?
2017-02-15T00:21:14 < kakimir> as those files are already in physical location of the tree hierarchy
2017-02-15T00:23:00 < kakimir> refresh.. that hideous
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2017-02-15T00:23:06 < kakimir> that's
2017-02-15T00:24:47 < kakimir> it works
2017-02-15T00:25:02 < kakimir> workenings
2017-02-15T00:27:23 < kakimir> I try to include inc directory
2017-02-15T00:27:34 < kakimir> in "Includes"
2017-02-15T00:27:45 < kakimir> do not know what itäs about
2017-02-15T00:27:50 < kakimir> but better have my inc there
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2017-02-15T00:35:31 < kakimir> okay found it properties - C general - paths and symbols
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2017-02-15T00:38:29 < kakimir> just C stuff
2017-02-15T00:38:44 < kakimir> every project has paths and symbols
2017-02-15T00:38:55 < kakimir> paths as includes
2017-02-15T00:41:19 < kakimir> so I include it's /inc https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRlFsWktvNFN6a2M/view?usp=sharing
2017-02-15T00:41:30 < kakimir> looking familiar?
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2017-02-15T00:42:57 < kakimir> what you need them for?
2017-02-15T00:43:47 < kakimir> lpcxpresso
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2017-02-15T00:45:09 < kakimir> it has CDT and GNU stuff
2017-02-15T00:45:13 < kakimir> GCC
2017-02-15T00:45:55 < kakimir> I found something for you
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2017-02-15T00:47:30 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: http://pastebin.com/YgRpZ44S
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2017-02-15T00:49:12 < kakimir> it doesn't get better than this block of text
2017-02-15T00:51:39 < kakimir> I wonder if my include should be visible in the GNU C section
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2017-02-15T00:52:02 < kakimir> instead or in addition to these assembly sections
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2017-02-15T00:52:30 < kakimir> talking about these Language sections in paths and symbols
2017-02-15T00:54:21 < kakimir> better add it everywhere?
2017-02-15T00:56:03 < kakimir> should there be .s files in my project?
2017-02-15T00:57:05 < kakimir> my project is written in C
2017-02-15T00:57:34 < kakimir> so it generates some mid-format files there when it builds?
2017-02-15T00:57:57 < kakimir> there is no handlers or interrupts in my project
2017-02-15T00:58:01 < kakimir> is static library
2017-02-15T00:58:06 < kakimir> *it
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2017-02-15T00:59:20 < kakimir> it is just codez for my project
2017-02-15T00:59:50 < kakimir> splitted into another instance to keep it sensible
2017-02-15T01:00:00 < kakimir> what is the issue?
2017-02-15T01:00:36 < zyp> well, you wouldn't put the static lib on the micro.
2017-02-15T01:00:53 < kakimir> I would include it in project for my micro?
2017-02-15T01:01:17 < zyp> LeelooMinai, wrt. optimization, a static lib is just a collection of object files
2017-02-15T01:02:00 < kakimir> how does it differ from using in project files?
2017-02-15T01:02:12 < zyp> it's literally just a .zip of .o files, except it's not zip format, and it got some index shit to make it faster to look up which .o file contains a particular symbol
2017-02-15T01:02:37 < englishman> .zyp
2017-02-15T01:02:42 < kakimir> and could I include them... wait I just include them in my project them files
2017-02-15T01:03:27 < kakimir> like "driver files" / platform headers are included
2017-02-15T01:04:31 < zyp> I were planning to pack up my lib as a static lib, but I had some troubles getting weak symbols to be resolved correctly when I did that (IIRC overriding symbols residing in the lib didn't take precedence like it should)
2017-02-15T01:05:00 < kakimir> I got confused as eclipse gave me options what kind of files to create and I created static library project because other options had annoying stuff
2017-02-15T01:05:04 < zyp> and since everything is built by the same build system anyway, I ended up just having the lib provide a list of .o-files to link directly instead
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2017-02-15T01:05:30 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yes, but that's a completely different discussion
2017-02-15T01:06:29 < zyp> in that case you would only have a single object file, and the discussion about static libraries does not apply
2017-02-15T01:06:29 < Laurenceb_>  #stm32 spotted http://i.imgur.com/9bU7FfJ.png
2017-02-15T01:06:53 < zyp> Laurenceb_, which one are you?
2017-02-15T01:07:57 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: is there more of this series?
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2017-02-15T01:08:12 < englishman> notfunnyb_, you posted that before
2017-02-15T01:08:35 < zyp> LeelooMinai, well, at least they go outdoors :p
2017-02-15T01:09:26 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: there is a subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSquadOnPoint/
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2017-02-15T01:10:41 < Laurenceb_> englishman: someone spotted you with your friends http://i.imgur.com/cK7Jw5E.jpg
2017-02-15T01:11:16 < kakimir> O - as Old
2017-02-15T01:11:18 < kakimir> Laurenceb_
2017-02-15T01:11:31 < kakimir> these pics have been seen third time
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2017-02-15T01:17:29 < kakimir> not healthy way to look things
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2017-02-15T01:18:56 < kakimir> comparing
2017-02-15T01:21:27 < kakimir> they can as it would take immense amounts of energy for me to stop them
2017-02-15T01:23:15 < kakimir> I wonder is larp trend is getting weaker?
2017-02-15T01:23:21 < kakimir> *if
2017-02-15T01:24:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dollsmagazine.com/images/stories/5_costume_contest_new.jpg
2017-02-15T01:24:19 < Laurenceb_> ok thats enough reddit 4 me
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2017-02-15T01:32:18 < kakimir> is there any job Laurenceb_ where you can chan and force memes every day and pays well?
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2017-02-15T01:34:53 < Laurenceb_> prob working for FSB according to da media
2017-02-15T01:39:25 < kakimir> I know
2017-02-15T01:41:30 < kakimir> memes are 2011
2017-02-15T01:48:54 < kakimir> what are you switching?
2017-02-15T01:49:18 < kakimir> Muumit (Finnish)
2017-02-15T01:53:49 < kakimir> that is exciting
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2017-02-15T02:02:26 < aandrew> waiit
2017-02-15T02:02:35 < aandrew> that uk doll lover pic, there is an actual woman in that pic
2017-02-15T02:02:41 < aandrew> wtf, someone in there is a tourist
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2017-02-15T02:21:57 < Laurenceb_> uk dole lovers convention, meeting at a pub near you
2017-02-15T02:22:08 < Laurenceb_> also seen on Jeremy Kyle
2017-02-15T02:32:55 < kakimir> I change work to dole
2017-02-15T02:33:17 < kakimir> work uses my time
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2017-02-15T03:56:18 < dongs> lol fram
2017-02-15T03:56:28 < dongs> how about adding more shit nobody cares about
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2017-02-15T04:19:32 < dongs> cuckback
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2017-02-15T04:20:48 < dongs> shopping for vbelts
2017-02-15T04:20:54 < dongs> apparently onee in my washer exploded
2017-02-15T04:21:19 < dongs> oh gawd results are coming up
2017-02-15T04:21:22 < dongs> DONGIL RUBBER BELT
2017-02-15T04:21:24 < dongs> [ buy it now ]
2017-02-15T04:22:30 < dongs> bro my washer is 17kg industrial thing
2017-02-15T04:22:37 < dongs> its bigger than xbox
2017-02-15T04:25:11 < Laurenceb_> wow flyback is even more autistic than I thought
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2017-02-15T04:28:46 < Laurenceb_> muh fram dude
2017-02-15T04:29:09 < Laurenceb_> I entered a high school engineering competition with some autists
2017-02-15T04:29:18 < Laurenceb_> we had to make a rubber band powered car
2017-02-15T04:29:36 < Laurenceb_> they were obsessed with independent suspension on all axles
2017-02-15T04:29:44 < Laurenceb_> most project meeting went :
2017-02-15T04:29:56 < Laurenceb_> me: ok so we need to work out how to power the car
2017-02-15T04:30:03 < Laurenceb_> autist1: dude suspension
2017-02-15T04:30:15 < Laurenceb_> autist2: a car without suspension is epic fail dude
2017-02-15T04:30:25 < Laurenceb_> your fram obsession is similar
2017-02-15T04:30:50 < dongs> fake ram
2017-02-15T04:30:55 < dongs> write only memory
2017-02-15T04:31:36 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile the winning team read the rules carefully and realised they could make a huge catapult to fire the "car"
2017-02-15T04:31:57 < Laurenceb_> it ended up embedded in the ceiling at the other end of the room
2017-02-15T04:32:33 < Laurenceb_> there was nothing in the rules to say you had to have the rubber bands onboard the vehicle
2017-02-15T04:33:31 < Laurenceb_> our team never built anything because dude suspension lmao :(
2017-02-15T04:34:41 < Laurenceb_> talking of cars
2017-02-15T04:35:08  * Laurenceb_ contemptes automated throttle/clutch/brakes so he can actually drive a car
2017-02-15T04:35:22 < Laurenceb_> without stalling in the middle of the road
2017-02-15T04:35:31  * Laurenceb_ has been trying to lurn to drive again
2017-02-15T04:35:40 < Laurenceb_> lulwut auto gearbox fails
2017-02-15T04:35:42 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJm8qfWUcAAzXfv.jpg:large
2017-02-15T04:35:44 < Laurenceb_> like me :P
2017-02-15T04:36:17 < Laurenceb_> dongs: can't fap to that
2017-02-15T04:36:37 < Laurenceb_> waste of a cool fap doll tbh
2017-02-15T04:37:23 < Laurenceb_> I think half my problem is I'm trying to drive a knackered 25 year old rust bucked with half broken clutch
2017-02-15T04:37:49 < Laurenceb_> also my L plates keep peeling off
2017-02-15T04:38:03 < Laurenceb_> should probably just drill holes and bolt them on 
2017-02-15T04:38:19 < Laurenceb_> cuz car is crap anyway
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2017-02-15T04:39:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/EDl3yOl.jpg
2017-02-15T04:39:43 < Laurenceb_> huge jpg?
2017-02-15T04:40:54 < Laurenceb_> I don't get why anyone crunches gears, never done that once
2017-02-15T04:41:05 < Laurenceb_> stalled it over 9000 times tho
2017-02-15T04:41:29 < Laurenceb_> also jammed it in neutral then overrevved the engine like a retard
2017-02-15T04:41:54 < Laurenceb_> its a turbodiesel with horrible throttle lag
2017-02-15T04:41:57 < Laurenceb_> lulno
2017-02-15T04:42:35 -!- talsit is now known as not_listening
2017-02-15T04:43:00 < Laurenceb_> change gear (I think), engage clutch whilst revving up, nothing happens, wait for about 5 seconds whilst rev counter goes nuts and people for miles around stare at the retard
2017-02-15T04:43:10 < Laurenceb_> funtimes
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2017-02-15T04:49:18  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2017-02-15T04:52:34 < dongs> hey, broadcom RF stuff is also taht staggered BGA like intel
2017-02-15T04:52:45 < dongs> 61-pin wafer-level nanoscale package
2017-02-15T04:53:04 < dongs> 0.4 mm pitch
2017-02-15T04:53:09 < dongs> much balls
2017-02-15T04:53:29 < dongs> Figure 4-1 61WLNSP (3.32 × 3.55 × 0.63 mm) package outline drawing
2017-02-15T04:55:14 < ds2> does staggering help or hinder layout?
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2017-02-15T04:58:23 < dongs> i dont actually know, ive only seen it recently 
2017-02-15T04:58:30 < dongs> ball to ball distance is 0.56mm
2017-02-15T04:58:32 < dongs> when its staggered
2017-02-15T04:58:41 < dongs> tho diagonal pitch is 0.4
2017-02-15T04:58:48 < dongs> so i geuss it maybe does, but no idea beyond that
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2017-02-15T05:03:48 < Rob235> good valentines day.. massages and good food
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2017-02-15T05:42:20 < dongs> http://www.waveshare.com/wiki/File:Open429I-C-Demo.7z
2017-02-15T05:42:22 < dongs> lol
2017-02-15T05:43:11 < aandrew> what's that
2017-02-15T05:43:31 < dongs> click the link
2017-02-15T05:43:34 < dongs> read "warning" part
2017-02-15T05:43:44 < dongs> looks liek some kinda wikipedo virii scanner
2017-02-15T05:47:28 < dongs> cool, new F4 stdperiphlib
2017-02-15T05:47:30 < dongs> 1.8.0
2017-02-15T05:47:34 < dongs> see? cube is dead
2017-02-15T05:47:41 < dongs> even ST knows it
2017-02-15T05:47:46 < dongs> and keeps updating "legacy" shit
2017-02-15T05:50:35 < emeb_mac> I'll believe that when they come out with StdPeriph for F7
2017-02-15T05:51:05 < dongs> hehe
2017-02-15T05:51:49 < emeb_mac> wonder if they've updated StdPeriph for F3...
2017-02-15T05:52:02 < dongs> not recently
2017-02-15T05:52:03 < emeb_mac> last I checked that hadn't changed in like 3 yrs
2017-02-15T05:52:04 < dongs> i checked few weeks ago
2017-02-15T05:52:19 < dongs> latest f3 us STM32F30x_DSP_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.2.3
2017-02-15T05:52:20 < dongs> is
2017-02-15T05:52:39 < emeb_mac> figures
2017-02-15T05:52:59 < dongs> thats not too old 
2017-02-15T05:53:03 < dongs> updated oct last year
2017-02-15T05:53:11 < dongs> its not like there's that many bugs to fix in them
2017-02-15T05:53:46 < emeb_mac> "It's perfect!
2017-02-15T05:53:54 < dongs> indeed
2017-02-15T06:15:16 < dongs> libfuckoff.so.0.0.1
2017-02-15T06:15:24 < dongs> completely different api from libfuckoff.so.0.0.0
2017-02-15T06:17:25 < aandrew> dongs: it's the opensores way
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2017-02-15T06:26:35 < dongs> AHB3
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2017-02-15T06:39:37 < emeb_mac> did a quick diff between F303 stdperiph v1.2.2 and v1.2.3 - only thing that changed in the StdPeriph lib was the date & version
2017-02-15T06:39:47 < emeb_mac> no code changes AFAIKT
2017-02-15T06:39:55 < dongs> haha
2017-02-15T06:40:00 < dongs> maybe license changed
2017-02-15T06:40:05 < emeb_mac> ya
2017-02-15T06:40:13 < dongs> to please the useless GNU/FAGS
2017-02-15T06:40:16 < emeb_mac> or maybe CPAL or CMSIS - didn't look at those
2017-02-15T06:40:36 < dongs> well if it aint broke..
2017-02-15T06:40:55 < emeb_mac> funny thing - F373 lib is still @ v1.0.0
2017-02-15T06:41:21 < dongs> yeah 373 is suchb an oddball part
2017-02-15T06:41:25 < dongs> no idea who they made it for
2017-02-15T06:41:51 < emeb_mac> yeah - very weird
2017-02-15T06:42:03 < emeb_mac> The SDADCs are neat tho
2017-02-15T06:42:34 < emeb_mac> and 3x - suggests maybe some sort of 3-phase motor control?
2017-02-15T06:43:18 < emeb_mac> I built some audio processing stuff with it and it works nicely
2017-02-15T06:43:41 < emeb_mac> and did a high SNR radio backend using the SDADCs
2017-02-15T06:49:19 < ds2> is the F3/F4 the only ones that can speak I2S?
2017-02-15T06:49:33 < dongs> err no?
2017-02-15T06:49:45 < dongs> SPI/I2S thing is on pretty much every one of htem
2017-02-15T06:50:13 < ds2> so all of them can demux L/R from an I2S stream?
2017-02-15T06:50:28 < dongs> if you open up cube
2017-02-15T06:50:31 < dongs> and choose '1' for I2S
2017-02-15T06:50:38 < dongs> thereos like 640 models
2017-02-15T06:50:44 < dongs> from F031 to F7-whatever
2017-02-15T06:50:50 < ds2> 'k
2017-02-15T06:50:52 < dongs> yeah, the peripheral is same on all of htem (right emeb?
2017-02-15T06:51:10 < dongs> the newer F4s/F7s have that SAI stuff i havent fucked with yet which can also do i2S
2017-02-15T06:51:36 < ds2> 'k
2017-02-15T06:57:03 < dongs> and looks like my sdram is working
2017-02-15T06:57:23 < dongs> that was easier to setup than I thought
2017-02-15T06:57:32 < aandrew> nice
2017-02-15T06:57:35 < aandrew> what're you building
2017-02-15T06:57:49 < dongs> a completely autistic device
2017-02-15T06:58:03 < dongs> line audio -> hdmi with visualizations
2017-02-15T06:58:12 < dongs> cuz my car has HDMI in
2017-02-15T06:58:13 < dongs> but no line in
2017-02-15T06:58:38 < dongs> (yes im aware i can just get a shit from ebay for $5)
2017-02-15T07:02:06 < aandrew> heh
2017-02-15T07:02:11 < aandrew> gonna code goom for stm32
2017-02-15T07:03:06 < aandrew> https://github.com/notspiff/visualization.goom
2017-02-15T07:12:29 < emeb_mac> dongs: ds2: SPI / I2S periph doesn't work the same across all families of STM32
2017-02-15T07:13:36 < emeb_mac> lol - the F303 and F373 I2S are very different
2017-02-15T07:13:53 < emeb_mac> and the F3 and F4 I2S are also different
2017-02-15T07:14:03 < dongs> wtf, sux
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2017-02-15T07:14:43 < ds2> doh
2017-02-15T07:14:56 < ds2> zmatt: how smart is the I2S on the cheaper parts?
2017-02-15T07:15:02 < ds2> oops
2017-02-15T07:15:16 < emeb_mac> the StdPeriph setup code is pretty compatible though
2017-02-15T07:15:16 < ds2> emeb_mac: how smart is the I2S on the cheaper parts?
2017-02-15T07:15:30 < emeb_mac> ds2: what do you mean by "smart"?
2017-02-15T07:15:52 < ds2> emeb_mac: is it a dumb shift register that requires me to manage FS in SW?
2017-02-15T07:16:02 < ds2> or does it have a nice L/R FIFO 
2017-02-15T07:16:18 < emeb_mac> ds2: It handles the framing by itself
2017-02-15T07:16:27 < emeb_mac> I always drive it with DMA
2017-02-15T07:16:52 < ds2> I see
2017-02-15T07:16:54 < emeb_mac> so I set it up, point it at a buffer, start it and get IRQs to keep the buffer full
2017-02-15T07:16:56 < emeb_mac> very easy
2017-02-15T07:17:37 < emeb_mac> just use TC / HT flags to do circular mode
2017-02-15T07:17:57 < ds2> and this on the smaller/cheaper parts like F103 or the F0's?
2017-02-15T07:18:00 < dongs> err..
2017-02-15T07:18:03 < dongs> 429 runs at up to180mhz?
2017-02-15T07:18:06 < dongs> i thoiught it was 168 max
2017-02-15T07:18:12 < emeb_mac> ds2: yeah - works fine on F3, F4 and F0
2017-02-15T07:18:21 < ds2> not F1?
2017-02-15T07:18:34 < emeb_mac> Yeah - done it on F103 too
2017-02-15T07:18:45 < ds2> looking for a cheap I2S sink for potential give away type use
2017-02-15T07:18:47 < emeb_mac> long time ago tho, so didn't spring to mind
2017-02-15T07:19:01 < emeb_mac> ds2: use F031 - < $2
2017-02-15T07:19:07 < dongs> m ya its 180mhz
2017-02-15T07:19:07 < dongs> doh
2017-02-15T07:19:14 < ds2> F031 is a M0 right?
2017-02-15T07:19:17 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-02-15T07:19:24 < emeb_mac> runs 48MHz
2017-02-15T07:19:38 < emeb_mac> can get it with 6K SRAM, 32K Flash
2017-02-15T07:19:43 < ds2> can that keep up with doing simple stuff with the I2S stream?
2017-02-15T07:19:56 < ds2> say an 8KHz sample rate
2017-02-15T07:20:08 < emeb_mac> ds2: yes - I've got some fairly complex synthesis running on an F031 @ 48kHz
2017-02-15T07:20:21 < ds2> Ohhhhh nice
2017-02-15T07:20:27 < aandrew> emeb_mac: oh?
2017-02-15T07:20:31 < aandrew> what's fairly complex?
2017-02-15T07:20:40 < emeb_mac> http://synthtech.com/eurorack/E330/
2017-02-15T07:20:46 < emeb_mac> all done on an F031
2017-02-15T07:20:55 < aandrew> oh I thought that said eurocrack at first
2017-02-15T07:21:14 < emeb_mac> common misteak
2017-02-15T07:22:09 < aandrew> emeb_mac: nice
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2017-02-15T08:25:00 < dongs> 32ksps is like, 32khz right?
2017-02-15T08:25:22 < dongs> wahtever hte fuck a 'symbol' is
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2017-02-15T08:33:38 < dongs> I can dma directly to/from sdram on F4 right
2017-02-15T08:33:54 < ohsix> ReadError: looks like you hit ctrl+
2017-02-15T08:34:04 < ReadError> nope
2017-02-15T08:34:10 < ReadError> look at the text below the vids
2017-02-15T08:34:22 < ReadError> obv the 1st thing i checked
2017-02-15T08:34:34 < ohsix> text makes it look zoomed in, the images don't
2017-02-15T08:34:49 < ohsix> do you have desktop dpi shit set to 100%
2017-02-15T08:34:55 < dongs> ReadError: what happened to prefixing nick of the autistic fuck youre chatting with
2017-02-15T08:35:13 < dongs> or even better, taking that shit to /privmsg
2017-02-15T08:35:32 < ReadError> this will effect your youtubes though too
2017-02-15T08:35:49 < ohsix> not unless they put me in the sample
2017-02-15T08:36:12 < ReadError> oh derf
2017-02-15T08:36:13 < ohsix> they give different changes to different groups then look at how they respond to it
2017-02-15T08:36:24 < ReadError> just noticed the little button on the lower right
2017-02-15T08:36:27 < ReadError> running man
2017-02-15T08:36:46 < ohsix> remember that little animated [+] ascii thing that used to be all over
2017-02-15T08:36:55 < ohsix> ReadError: is it literally an exit button?
2017-02-15T08:37:03 < dongs> ReadError,ohsix: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-02-15T08:37:07 < ReadError> <iron-icon id="icon" class="style-scope paper-icon-button x-scope iron-icon-1" alt="Restore classic YouTube">
2017-02-15T08:37:14 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-15T08:37:28 < ohsix> it's not a massive change tho lul
2017-02-15T08:37:40 < ReadError> everything together is though 
2017-02-15T08:37:51 < ohsix> DISAGREEEE
2017-02-15T08:37:51 < ReadError> like where you expect to look and see something, its not there
2017-02-15T08:37:57 < ohsix> but word
2017-02-15T08:38:07 < ohsix> they're material-designing stuff a bit and removing lines
2017-02-15T08:38:25 < ReadError> why move views to the left?
2017-02-15T08:38:26 < ohsix> i'm probably not in the trial cuz i keep the bar on the left open all the time
2017-02-15T08:38:36 < ohsix> no idea, i'm not a designer
2017-02-15T08:39:12 < ohsix> usually there's an idiom they're trying to be consistent with
2017-02-15T08:39:18 < ohsix> number on the side runs afoul of a bunch of junk
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2017-02-15T08:40:15 < ReadError> idiom: break and destory everything you have grown accustomed to 
2017-02-15T08:40:18 < ohsix> huh For Honor looks kewl
2017-02-15T08:40:29 < ohsix> nah dude, they  have no idea what you have grown accustomed to
2017-02-15T08:40:42 < ohsix> and for every person it is different
2017-02-15T08:41:33 < ohsix> got myself worke dup over that stuff a bunch, thinking that what i do was so great an obvious that the dude that changed it had to be an idiot
2017-02-15T08:41:33 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPVc9ixj0iU lol arduino
2017-02-15T08:42:00 < dongs> also: video at 4x speed, wow
2017-02-15T08:42:04 < dongs> that must be REALLY FUCKING SLOW
2017-02-15T08:42:50 < munki> do you guys use ever use the STM HAL api and/or STM32CubeMX? 
2017-02-15T08:42:58 < munki> just wondering what kind of toolchains people use
2017-02-15T08:42:59 < ohsix> dongs is like one of those people on the corner spinning a sign
2017-02-15T08:43:04 < dongs> keil of course
2017-02-15T08:43:06 < ohsix> i use gcc
2017-02-15T08:43:13 < dongs> works gr8 with hal, autogenerated cube projects
2017-02-15T08:43:21 < munki> i recently have been using visualgdb and really like it
2017-02-15T08:44:32 < aandrew> not sure what you're laughing at ... that's not a bad cheap circuit board plotter
2017-02-15T08:44:48 < ReadError> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html
2017-02-15T08:44:54 < aandrew> incredibly slow
2017-02-15T08:44:59 < aandrew> but not bad all said
2017-02-15T08:45:02 < ReadError> WASHINGTON — Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.
2017-02-15T08:45:04 < ohsix> aandrew: huhuhu now it's you!!11 (that he is laughing at)
2017-02-15T08:45:12 < ReadError> crumble bitch
2017-02-15T08:45:26 < munki> have you guys messed with libopencm3?
2017-02-15T08:45:30 < ohsix> yes
2017-02-15T08:45:56 < munki> is there a consensus on HAL vs opencm3?
2017-02-15T08:45:56 < ohsix> it is easy to clone the repo and build the examples
2017-02-15T08:46:08 < ohsix> they aren't competing
2017-02-15T08:46:35 < ohsix> HAL is supposed to stay in sync with the svd from the vendor, so even if it sucked real bad you'd prefer it a little
2017-02-15T08:46:48 < munki> good point
2017-02-15T08:47:34 < ohsix> the 103 is prolific and that's what most things support well
2017-02-15T08:48:19 < munki> ah, i'm using the DISCOVERYF4 board 
2017-02-15T08:49:10 < ohsix> if you aren't using hal you might need to add stuff for your part for something like opencm3
2017-02-15T08:49:34 < ohsix> depends on whether someone has needed to use it before :p
2017-02-15T08:50:05 < munki> yea, i'm just experimenting with SPI peripherals atm so nothing too complicated
2017-02-15T08:53:47 < ohsix> http://bullex.com/product/bullseye-publiceducation/ lolwut
2017-02-15T08:53:51 < ohsix> ReadError: ^
2017-02-15T08:55:47 < ohsix> engineer pal is building an industrial vibrator for physical therapists
2017-02-15T08:56:09 < ohsix> the proto the dude brought in was a portable jigsaw with a special head
2017-02-15T08:56:34 < ohsix> and the people using it say that is a good amount of force, lul; but it is too noisy
2017-02-15T08:57:41 < ohsix> lurking in random tech related biz is pretty entertaining
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2017-02-15T09:02:42 < ohsix> oh and i found out that dude using pics is going to use the stm32 heheh
2017-02-15T09:03:02 < ohsix> he even said "i've been using pics my entire professional career"
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2017-02-15T10:20:17 < ohsix> upgrdman: maddox is streaming blender on twitch
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2017-02-15T10:23:41 < upgrdman> ohsix, link?
2017-02-15T10:23:51 < upgrdman> also is maddox someone noteworthy?
2017-02-15T10:24:12 < ohsix> heheh
2017-02-15T10:24:21 < ohsix> best page in the universe maddox
2017-02-15T10:25:23 < ohsix> doh his thumbnail lied https://www.twitch.tv/realmaddox
2017-02-15T10:25:29 < dongs> ^ fucking newfag
2017-02-15T10:28:19 < ReadError> https://www.vapes.com/collections/temp-control-mods/products/smok-g-priv-220w-tc-mod-starter-kit-w-tfv8-big-baby-tank-atomizer
2017-02-15T10:28:27 < ReadError> lol vape has a damn tv screen 
2017-02-15T10:28:50 < ohsix> don't vape on the pizza
2017-02-15T10:29:28 < dongs> but can it subohm
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2017-02-15T10:49:03 < ReadError> yea you can subohm and watch a porn
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2017-02-15T11:01:04 < corecode> so i'm looking at low power, and it seems there is only one external wakeup pin on the small devices?
2017-02-15T11:03:55 < dongs> F0 or L4 stuff can wake up from any EXTI i think
2017-02-15T11:05:45 < corecode> ah yea this one doesn't
2017-02-15T11:05:57 < corecode> well, it's a gd32 even, but the PWR section is the same
2017-02-15T11:06:10 < corecode> so i guess i need some external logic
2017-02-15T11:06:15 < dongs> GD is a bit higher power consumption cuz it has to power up internal 128K ram for flash mirror
2017-02-15T11:06:28 < dongs> youre not gonna be able to idle at very low current
2017-02-15T11:06:46 < corecode> yea they say 160uA in deep-sleep (=stop) mode
2017-02-15T11:07:05 < corecode> coming from the kinetis chips, i gotta say i am surprised how few low power options there are
2017-02-15T11:09:12 < dongs> did you notioce how STM peripherals are lightyears better than wahtever garbage is in cucknetis
2017-02-15T11:09:28 < corecode> in what?
2017-02-15T11:09:47 < dongs> NXP peripherals are shit
2017-02-15T11:09:51 < dongs> in both LPC and kinetis lines
2017-02-15T11:10:03 < dongs> its liek tehy';re IP blocks copypasted from thier 8bit shits
2017-02-15T11:10:05 < corecode> the lpc peripherals felt fine
2017-02-15T11:10:05 < dongs> from like 20 years ago
2017-02-15T11:10:14 < corecode> the kinetis peripherals are a mess
2017-02-15T11:10:14 < corecode> yes
2017-02-15T11:10:33 < corecode> big endian peripherals -_-
2017-02-15T11:17:51 < PeterM> i glance away from IRC and i miss someone mentioning madcucks? fuck http://xmission.madcucks.com/
2017-02-15T11:20:08 < corecode> meme recursion
2017-02-15T11:20:29 < corecode> so i guess i need NAND gate to drive this wakeup pin from multiple sources
2017-02-15T11:28:55 < dongs> but the nand gate will draw power
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2017-02-15T11:30:51 < corecode> 1uA
2017-02-15T11:31:52 < corecode> or 40uA for a LVC version
2017-02-15T11:33:31 < dongs> 'kay
2017-02-15T11:35:19 < corecode> but i think i can just do a 5Hz duty cycle to wake up and check pin state
2017-02-15T11:39:20 < corecode> saves $0.05
2017-02-15T11:52:18 < dongs> hm im not having any luck wiht SPI2 slave and DMA
2017-02-15T11:52:24 < dongs> yet i copypasted sample eaxctly
2017-02-15T11:52:25 < dongs> Hmm
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2017-02-15T13:04:49 < kakimir> you have a weird obsession with ducks
2017-02-15T13:06:03 < PeterM> and you wityh SMAs
2017-02-15T13:06:40 < kakimir> no 
2017-02-15T13:06:49 < kakimir> it was once
2017-02-15T13:10:14 < dongs> hm what the fuck this shit makes no sense
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2017-02-15T13:26:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zKMMVI3.gifv
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2017-02-15T13:43:55 < corecode> 900uA, what is going on
2017-02-15T13:44:04 < corecode> hum
2017-02-15T13:47:17 < dongs> k i dont undrstand waht the fuck is going on
2017-02-15T13:47:20 < dongs> trying to DMA slave SPI2
2017-02-15T13:47:25 < dongs> have it hooked up in loopback to SPI1
2017-02-15T13:47:32 < dongs> all signals look OK (transmitting)
2017-02-15T13:47:43 < dongs> dma never moves
2017-02-15T13:47:56 < dongs> SPI2 is getting clock from SPI1, CS doesn't matter for DMA
2017-02-15T13:49:47 < jpa-> umm, why wouldn't CS matter for DMA?
2017-02-15T13:50:07 < dongs> jpa-: beacuse it doesnt
2017-02-15T13:50:11 < dongs> DMA happens when slave clock starts
2017-02-15T13:50:21 < dongs> show me any proof of otherwise
2017-02-15T13:50:43 < jpa-> is that TX dma or RX dma?
2017-02-15T13:51:40 < jpa-> i would assume that the SPI peripheral in slave mode would ignore everything that happens on the line if CS pin is enabled but in inactive state
2017-02-15T13:52:13 < dongs> it doesnt
2017-02-15T13:53:08 < dongs> you have to run both DMAs in fullduplex mode
2017-02-15T13:56:12 < corecode> why is it at 165uA, and not 10 like it is supposed to?
2017-02-15T14:01:10 < dongs> 10uA with sram powered on?
2017-02-15T14:01:12 < dongs> dream the fuck on
2017-02-15T14:01:16 < dongs> do you ahve any i2c devices?
2017-02-15T14:01:23 < corecode> why sram?
2017-02-15T14:01:26 < corecode> i don't care about sram
2017-02-15T14:01:29 < corecode> no, this is bare
2017-02-15T14:01:30 < dongs> corecode: GD32 right?
2017-02-15T14:01:38 < corecode> yes
2017-02-15T14:01:43 < dongs> it has 128k shadow sram for flash contents
2017-02-15T14:01:51 < dongs> since flash is separate die
2017-02-15T14:02:03 < corecode> but i want to go into standby mode
2017-02-15T14:02:16 < dongs> that means wake up = power on reset?
2017-02-15T14:02:21 < corecode> yes
2017-02-15T14:02:29 < dongs> in that case stuff SHOULD be off.
2017-02-15T14:02:42 < corecode> yes
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2017-02-15T14:08:40 < corecode> aha
2017-02-15T14:08:52 < corecode> 50uV on a swclk pull down resistor
2017-02-15T14:09:04 < corecode> 50uA*
2017-02-15T14:11:35 < corecode> i need a hall effect current probe
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2017-02-15T14:48:20 < dongs> man teh fucking sign up to receive software shit is infuriating on st.com
2017-02-15T14:48:32 < dongs> and its still broken if you guest login once
2017-02-15T14:52:33 < Tectu> corecode o/
2017-02-15T14:55:56 < corecode> hi Tectu 
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2017-02-15T15:22:08 < Steffanx> Corecode made it into ##stm32. Hah.
2017-02-15T15:22:18 < Tectu> how's stuff, Mr. corecode ?
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2017-02-15T15:49:58 < dongs> is he well known elsewehre?
2017-02-15T15:50:18 < Tectu> yes
2017-02-15T15:50:22 < Tectu> IRC pro master
2017-02-15T15:50:25 < Tectu> also swisser
2017-02-15T15:53:17 < dongs> tectu is backlight toggleable on 429disco
2017-02-15T15:53:20 < dongs> or is it just permanently tied to vcc
2017-02-15T15:53:51 < dongs> and do you know what the difference between -disco and -disc1 is, is tehre anything electrical or just routing of uart to stdick v2 and enabling mbed wank mode
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2017-02-15T15:54:56 < Tectu> dongs, 429disco backlight is hard wired if I remember correctly.
2017-02-15T15:55:14 < dongs> i just found that. fukq
2017-02-15T15:55:19 < dongs> in schematic
2017-02-15T15:55:34 < Tectu> dongs, no idea on the differences between revisions.
2017-02-15T15:55:37 < dongs> i could remove the 4 resistors that connect to kathodes but..
2017-02-15T15:55:40 < dongs> fukit.
2017-02-15T15:56:23 < dongs> i think teh differences are the mbed shit.
2017-02-15T16:01:34 < corecode> so i can't get this chip to enter standby mode
2017-02-15T16:02:04 < corecode> it keeps looking like it just enters stop mode
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2017-02-15T16:07:38 < corecode> -_- i forgot to enable the clock to pwr
2017-02-15T16:07:42 < corecode> assumptions
2017-02-15T16:07:55 < corecode> assuming pwr doesn't need clock, because, it is pwr
2017-02-15T16:07:56 < corecode> duh
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2017-02-15T16:20:47 < englishman> fondue uber alles
2017-02-15T16:22:34 < Steffanx> Cheese?
2017-02-15T16:22:44 < Steffanx> Chocolate?
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2017-02-15T16:40:09 < Tectu> both
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2017-02-15T16:53:27 < dongs> sdrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrram
2017-02-15T16:53:29 < dongs> tectu,
2017-02-15T16:53:35 < dongs> F4 clock generating excel
2017-02-15T16:53:39 < dongs> only supports 168mhz sysclk
2017-02-15T16:53:41 < dongs> what do
2017-02-15T16:53:48 < dongs> and cube onyl genrates GAY HAL shit
2017-02-15T16:53:54 < dongs> how doI run f429disco at 180mhz
2017-02-15T16:54:57 < dongs>   *    Note: The system clock (SYSCLK) is configured to 168 MHz to provide 48 MHz clock
2017-02-15T16:55:00 < dongs>   *          needed for the USB operation. 
2017-02-15T16:55:01 < dongs> is that for real
2017-02-15T16:55:04 < dongs>   *          Please note that the USB is not functional if the system clock is set to 180 MHz.    
2017-02-15T16:55:07 < dongs> lmaoooo
2017-02-15T16:55:21 < dongs> > make F4 runing at 180mhz as a selling point
2017-02-15T16:55:26 < dongs> > can only run at 168 if you wana us USB
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2017-02-15T16:57:44 < zyp> yeah, it can only be multiples of 24
2017-02-15T16:57:51 < zyp> so either 168 or 192, nothing in between
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2017-02-15T16:58:37 < zyp> pll output is 2*x sysclock, and pll output must be divisible by 48
2017-02-15T16:58:47 < zyp> so sysclock naturally then becomes divisible by 24
2017-02-15T16:58:52 < dongs> fail
2017-02-15T16:59:21 < dongs> fuck stm, im switching to SAM S70
2017-02-15T16:59:35 < dongs> its like 300mhz F7 with USB-HS
2017-02-15T16:59:41 < dongs> *on chip phy*
2017-02-15T17:00:04 < zyp> did you see the f7 with onchip phy?
2017-02-15T17:00:12 < dongs> yeah, the one with over 9000 pins
2017-02-15T17:00:16 < dongs> or retardBGA
2017-02-15T17:00:19 < zyp> 144 IIRC
2017-02-15T17:00:22 < zyp> but yeah
2017-02-15T17:00:30 < dongs> 100 more than I'd need
2017-02-15T17:00:32 < zyp> it's a start
2017-02-15T17:00:41 < dongs> whose part do you think they used
2017-02-15T17:01:04 < zyp> for the phy?
2017-02-15T17:01:07 < dongs> ya
2017-02-15T17:01:18 < zyp> idk, do you think it's stacked dies?
2017-02-15T17:01:44 < dongs> nah im just trolling. it shouldnt be.
2017-02-15T17:01:47 < dongs> i didnt even look at how its configured
2017-02-15T17:01:50 < zyp> would be interesting to see a decap
2017-02-15T17:02:02 < dongs> are any F7s even in stock to look at
2017-02-15T17:02:36 < zyp> idk
2017-02-15T17:03:09 < dongs> wow there's 61 parts in stock on digikey
2017-02-15T17:05:44 < ABLomas> hey guys, need advice - maybe you know... Would like to do few separately working huge (2m height) digital displays, each segment up to ~1A @12V (LED's). Want to control them from single location, up to ~1km. Looks like easy task - laptop + wifi + directional antenna, directional on another end, smth like rpi (esp would work prob. but hard to use with directional antenna)
2017-02-15T17:06:13 < ABLomas> but they can't drive leds directly, maybe you know something on ali/ebay cheap with relays/mosfets (7+ channels) ?
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2017-02-15T17:06:34 < ABLomas> for driving leds from rpi or similar stuff
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2017-02-15T17:07:05 < dongs> http://www.sainsmart.com/8-channel-dc-5v-relay-module-for-arduino-pic-arm-dsp-avr-msp430-ttl-logic.html
2017-02-15T17:07:09 < dongs> done.
2017-02-15T17:07:25 < ABLomas> o
2017-02-15T17:07:27 < ABLomas> looks good
2017-02-15T17:07:29 < ABLomas> thx
2017-02-15T17:07:31 < zyp> I'd be tempted to just use a ws2812b ledstrip
2017-02-15T17:07:48 < dongs> ABLomas: there's also http://www.sainsmart.com/16-channel-12v-relay-module-for-pic-arm-avr-dsp-arduino-msp430-ttl-logic.html
2017-02-15T17:07:53 < dongs> if you wanna get even MORE pro
2017-02-15T17:08:02 < ABLomas> not bright enough, would require hundred meters...
2017-02-15T17:08:12 < dongs> but uh that one needs 12V driving
2017-02-15T17:08:31 < dongs> ABLomas: are you talking like giant 7seg
2017-02-15T17:08:32 < dongs> or something
2017-02-15T17:08:36 < dongs> how many things do you need to on/off?
2017-02-15T17:08:47 < ABLomas> dongs: thx, 7 channels is enough 
2017-02-15T17:08:49 < ABLomas> http://media.gettyimages.com/videos/digital-count-up-110-video-id472610073?s=640x640
2017-02-15T17:08:51 < ABLomas> this one
2017-02-15T17:08:53 < ABLomas> SINGLE digit
2017-02-15T17:08:57 < dongs> right
2017-02-15T17:08:58 < ABLomas> so 7 segments
2017-02-15T17:09:08 < dongs> allrighty then, that arduino shield is perfect.
2017-02-15T17:09:20 < ABLomas> but ~1A/each or even more, so relays is ok i think
2017-02-15T17:11:00 < dongs> anyawy, that shit works. its optoisolated so it'll need 5V for the relays and whatever led voltage you're switching
2017-02-15T17:11:35 < dongs> they should be all over ebay for cheap
2017-02-15T17:12:05 < ABLomas> yes, already found and reading about interfacing
2017-02-15T17:12:16 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131754538057
2017-02-15T17:12:28 < dongs> 8 fucking relays for $5 *shipped*
2017-02-15T17:12:34 < ABLomas> almost everything i need, ofc smth like uart or i2c or smth would be even better to save wiring but still ok
2017-02-15T17:12:36 < ABLomas> thx
2017-02-15T17:12:45 < dongs> i cant even imagine what the cost on these things are
2017-02-15T17:12:51 < dongs> its not exactly light either
2017-02-15T17:12:55 < dongs> there's coils/metal shit
2017-02-15T17:13:04 < dongs> i guess maybe 100+? grams for that pcb
2017-02-15T17:13:18 < ABLomas> it won't fly this time, it's for ground (but yes, for flight indicators)
2017-02-15T17:13:28 < ABLomas> so do not care much about weight
2017-02-15T17:13:44 < ABLomas> http://www.banggood.com/5V-8-Channel-Relay-Module-Board-For-Arduino-PIC-AVR-DSP-ARM-p-74110.html
2017-02-15T17:13:47 < ABLomas> done
2017-02-15T17:13:49 < ABLomas> ;-)
2017-02-15T17:14:18 < dongs> but that ebay is $2 less
2017-02-15T17:14:22 < dongs> and its same shit
2017-02-15T17:14:41 < ABLomas> oO
2017-02-15T17:14:44 < ABLomas> missed this one, thx
2017-02-15T17:15:47 < ABLomas> there are similar mosfet boards but 3x price, i'm fine with relays too ;-)
2017-02-15T17:15:56 < dongs> yeah no need
2017-02-15T17:16:09 < dongs> teh only thing wiht mosfet would be smaller current needed to hold it
2017-02-15T17:16:19 < dongs> if you dont care that each relay eats up like 20mA to nbe "on" then it doenst matter
2017-02-15T17:17:38 < dongs> im guessing with the 7seg eating up 1A+ you dont acre
2017-02-15T17:17:53 < ABLomas> noo, really do not care, i got several old automobile Pb batteries, still ~30Ah capacity remaining, only need to do all interface with smth like "feedback"
2017-02-15T17:17:57 < ABLomas> already ordered relays
2017-02-15T17:18:34 < ABLomas> got bunch of esp/nodemcu modules, rpi's and stuff, need to think how all comms will be done, but that's separate topic
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2017-02-15T17:21:13 < ABLomas> esp32 would be great - cheap, etc, but low power, modifying antenna is hard task, etc, prob. no way for 1km+ LOS comms... WiFi sticks + rpi to rescue
2017-02-15T17:21:45 < dongs> https://i.reddituploads.com/efe639007b0e4168935810ec6c57805b?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=0c4297879705659e8d5cd973f9d982b6
2017-02-15T17:23:42 < dongs> zyp, what the shit does this do http://www.analog.com/en/products/analog-to-digital-converters/integrated-special-purpose-converters/energy-metering-ics/ade9000.html
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2017-02-15T17:25:54 < ABLomas> anyone used those? http://www.banggood.com/Orange-Pi-Lite-with-Quad-Core-1_2GHz-512MB-DDR3-WiFi-Mini-PC-p-1101903.html
2017-02-15T17:26:04 < ABLomas> this is cheaper than pi, replaceable antenna too
2017-02-15T17:26:20 < dongs> yeah its just generic allwinner shit
2017-02-15T17:26:23 < ABLomas> would order bunch of those and gg if they run on linux
2017-02-15T17:26:27 < dongs> they do
2017-02-15T17:26:29 < ABLomas> without issues
2017-02-15T17:26:31 < ABLomas> ok
2017-02-15T17:26:33 < dongs> not pi-stuff but lunix
2017-02-15T17:26:35 < dongs> works ok
2017-02-15T17:26:58 < dongs> uh heh, they claim its runs rageberry image
2017-02-15T17:27:00 < dongs> don't believe but oK
2017-02-15T17:28:14 < ABLomas> Your order was placed.
2017-02-15T17:28:17 < ABLomas> 6 on way
2017-02-15T17:28:28 < ABLomas> now just simple code and done.... Show =)
2017-02-15T17:36:26 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLe826lyao lol'd
2017-02-15T17:37:50 < karlp> dongs: that meter chip has a frequency output so you can run it through pulse transformers to get isolation from mains to your host device.
2017-02-15T17:39:56 < karlp> dongs: or did you mean more basically? it's just a meter chip
2017-02-15T17:40:11 < karlp> connect voltage dividers and cts to the inputs, get power consumption data out
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2017-02-15T17:46:25 < zyp> dongs, looks similar to the atmel chip I got you from mouser
2017-02-15T17:46:45 < zyp> it's a bunch of adcs and a dsp that calculates energy consumption and shit from it
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2017-02-15T18:16:21 < corecode> what happens when i access a peripheral that has its power domain switched off?
2017-02-15T18:16:26 < corecode> i'd expect a bus fault
2017-02-15T18:16:31 < karlp> normally just reads 0
2017-02-15T18:16:37 < karlp> some ti and nxp parts will bus fault
2017-02-15T18:16:44 < corecode> aha
2017-02-15T18:16:46 < corecode> yea
2017-02-15T18:16:52 < karlp> and some peripsh will bus fault, if you're reading across a clock domain or some weird stuff
2017-02-15T18:16:53 < corecode> boy that cost me some hours today
2017-02-15T18:17:06 < karlp> yeah, #1 trap for beginners on stm32
2017-02-15T18:17:08 < corecode> tried to go to standby mode
2017-02-15T18:17:30 < corecode> well i assumed that the power domain configuration is always clocked
2017-02-15T18:17:34 < karlp> "have you tried turning it [off and] on again" ? ;)
2017-02-15T18:17:38 < corecode> man so many bad assumptions lately
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2017-02-15T18:42:06 < englishman> dongs: how are teh fish
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2017-02-15T18:54:08 < englishman> Steffanx: mongolian
2017-02-15T18:59:13 < Steffanx> Uhm what? I dont know that.
2017-02-15T19:03:18 < englishman> tasty stuff
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2017-02-15T19:11:58 < Lux> ABLomas: that stuff should work: https://www.armbian.com/orange-pi-lite/
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2017-02-15T19:22:07 < Lux> ABLomas: but i bet the integrated wifi modules are crap or at least the driver/firmware is
2017-02-15T19:22:37 < karlp> Lux: meaning?
2017-02-15T19:23:05 < karlp> are you expecting them to be different drivers somehow? they'll be as good/bad as any other
2017-02-15T19:23:10 < Lux> meaning you'll waste time with it and probably won't get it to work stable
2017-02-15T19:23:31 < Lux> i'm just saying that those chipsets are cheap crap with cheap crappy drivers
2017-02-15T19:23:38 < karlp> if you only use it i STA mode you'll be as good as any other.
2017-02-15T19:23:46 < Lux> realtek stuff works pretty much ok
2017-02-15T19:24:05 < karlp> they're the same chipsets used in everyones wifi usb dongles, it will be as good as they are.
2017-02-15T19:24:11 < Lux> no
2017-02-15T19:24:16 < Lux> that's just wrong
2017-02-15T19:24:29 < Lux> it's some cheap allwinner stuff
2017-02-15T19:24:31 < karlp> ie, there's a pile of chipsets used in cheap usb adapters, they're the same pile used in cheap SBCs
2017-02-15T19:25:15 < Lux> but still it's not all the same ;)
2017-02-15T19:25:48 < karlp> oh, the orange pi has their own? not one of the pcb modules every other sbc maker uses? 
2017-02-15T19:26:01 < karlp> ok I see that now, my bad, I'm just used to most of the SBCs having a common module
2017-02-15T19:26:30 < Lux> yeah, that's the point
2017-02-15T19:26:57 < Lux> basically what you do if you want stuff that works look at the mainline kernel and choose stuff that's supported there
2017-02-15T19:27:03 < Lux> for sta mode that is
2017-02-15T19:27:17 < Lux> so far i've done well with that
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2017-02-15T21:06:46 < ABLomas> Lux: thx, already ordered 6 of them, will test. I hope they can work for me
2017-02-15T21:07:02 < ABLomas> at least, output power is higher at low speeds
2017-02-15T21:07:14 < Lux> good luck
2017-02-15T21:07:22 < ABLomas> and all i need - transfer command "put 7 on display", "now put 3 on display" so
2017-02-15T21:07:30 < Lux> you can still get usb wifi stuff if it comes to the worst
2017-02-15T21:07:49 < ABLomas> very low bandwith, few bytes actually, and only point-to-point mode between controller and display node, using directional antennas
2017-02-15T21:08:00 < ABLomas> dunno, rpi was working acceptable for this...
2017-02-15T21:08:41 < ABLomas> yeah, additional wifi on usb is as "plan B" but need to order them now, else...
2017-02-15T21:08:59 < ABLomas> (deadline for this is 04.29, need to have everything working until that, so no time for two shipments from china)
2017-02-15T21:10:27 < Lux> it'll probably work for that
2017-02-15T21:10:51 < Lux> i once got a couple of usb-wifi sticks with an sma connector for like 3€ a piece which worked well
2017-02-15T21:11:02 < Lux> unfortunately i can't find them anymore
2017-02-15T21:17:21 < Lux> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RTL8188-chips-Mini-150Mbps-USB-Wireless-Network-Card-WiFi-LAN-Adapter-Antenna-purchase-wholesale/1907680727.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10000073_10068_10000074_10000032_119_10000030_10000026_10000023_431_10000069_10000068_10060_10062_10056_10055_10000062_10054_10000063_10059_10099_10000020_10000013_10103_10102_10000016_10096_10000056_10000059_10052_1005
2017-02-15T21:17:23 < Lux> 3_10107_10050_10106_10051_10000097_10000094_10000053_10000007_10000050_10084_10083_10000100_10080_10000047_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10115_10037_10000041_10000044_10078_10079_10077_10000038_10073_10000035_10122_10123_10121_10124,searchweb201603_3,afswitch_2,ppcSwitch_2,single_sort_2_default&btsid=a7f245b2-76dc-41ef-b4d9-833c9fe0b477
2017-02-15T21:17:42 < Lux> sry for that link
2017-02-15T21:17:55 < Lux> should be that^
2017-02-15T21:18:04 < Lux> http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-150Mbps-USB-WiFi-Wireless-Adapter-150M-Card-802_11ngb-with-Antenna-p-39299.html got those in 2014
2017-02-15T21:21:36 < ABLomas> =)
2017-02-15T21:22:03 < ABLomas> whoresale stick
2017-02-15T21:22:05 < ABLomas> =)
2017-02-15T21:22:37 < ABLomas> 722n available locally for ~10eur/each so this is my "plan b"
2017-02-15T21:22:51 < ABLomas> as this is non-commercial project - would like to do everything cheap as possible
2017-02-15T21:23:00 < ABLomas> so, better wifi would work here
2017-02-15T21:23:01 < ABLomas> =)
2017-02-15T21:23:14 < aandrew> crazy how cheap you can get hardware these days
2017-02-15T21:23:45 < ABLomas> yep
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2017-02-15T21:27:31 < Lux> actually you could have gone with a getchip chip too
2017-02-15T21:27:36 < Lux> those are 8$
2017-02-15T21:28:40 < Lux> eh 9$ plus shipping, but their linux and wifi seems to work ok
2017-02-15T21:34:40 < ABLomas> hmmm a bit late but still
2017-02-15T21:34:43 < ABLomas> link?
2017-02-15T21:34:57 < ABLomas> if everything is ok i will need ~10 nodes later
2017-02-15T21:35:58 < englishman> if you're planning to ddos readymaderc, surely there's a better way than orangepi and wifi
2017-02-15T21:36:48 < Lux> https://getchip.com/pages/chip
2017-02-15T21:36:58 < Lux> but never mind, i forgot you need an external antenna too
2017-02-15T21:39:45 < englishman> someone endorsed my IRC skill on linkedin
2017-02-15T21:41:58 < Steffanx> me too, mee too
2017-02-15T21:44:07 < englishman> you dont have irc listed as a skill, i cannot reciprocate
2017-02-15T21:44:44 < Steffanx> IRC is very useful.
2017-02-15T21:45:07 < Tectu> did somebody say 'irc'?
2017-02-15T21:45:13 < Tectu> irc pro on deck
2017-02-15T21:45:30 < ABLomas> oO
2017-02-15T21:45:37 < englishman> lol Tectu nobody has endorsed your uGFX skill
2017-02-15T21:46:03 < Tectu> englishman :D
2017-02-15T21:46:36 < Tectu> oh no, thek fucked up the great UI
2017-02-15T21:46:39 < Tectu> they*
2017-02-15T21:46:49 < ABLomas> :D
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2017-02-15T21:48:39 < englishman> oh ABLomas 
2017-02-15T21:48:40 < englishman> added u
2017-02-15T21:48:50 < Tectu> who the fuck is ABLomas 
2017-02-15T21:48:56 < englishman> a very pro chatter
2017-02-15T21:48:57 < Steffanx> Ah, it's getting a real gang now englishman
2017-02-15T21:49:09 < Tectu> more pro than englishman ?
2017-02-15T21:49:51 < englishman> possibly
2017-02-15T21:49:52 < ABLomas> o
2017-02-15T21:49:54 < englishman> abl is pretty pro
2017-02-15T21:50:07 < ABLomas> DTF Air added me
2017-02-15T21:50:09 < ABLomas> nice
2017-02-15T21:50:15 < ABLomas> wasn't on linkedin for ages
2017-02-15T21:50:23 < Tectu> makes you very pro
2017-02-15T21:50:23 < ABLomas> because only headhunters add me :/
2017-02-15T21:50:32 < Tectu> did you tell them that you're an IRC bro?
2017-02-15T21:50:35 < ABLomas> what if i do not want job offers?
2017-02-15T21:50:46 < Steffanx> IS expert?
2017-02-15T21:50:48 < Tectu> ABLomas, I actually think that there's a setting for that
2017-02-15T21:50:52 < ABLomas> no, not yet, but would like to know how to add "IRC" into my skillz list?
2017-02-15T21:50:56 < englishman> yeah i saw a 'no spam
2017-02-15T21:50:59 < englishman> ' setting
2017-02-15T21:51:03 < Tectu> going to add IRC to my skills too, englishman 
2017-02-15T21:51:08 < englishman> yes!
2017-02-15T21:51:27 < englishman> ABLomas: me -> view profile -> add new -> skills -> 
2017-02-15T21:51:31 < Tectu> englishman, pls endorse :D
2017-02-15T21:51:32 < ABLomas> Steffanx: well, that's official job title - now "IT architect" or smth
2017-02-15T21:51:36 < ABLomas> englishman: OMW
2017-02-15T21:51:38 < englishman> + -> IRC
2017-02-15T21:51:39 < Steffanx> Better add: pumper
2017-02-15T21:52:01 < Tectu> damn, that new UI is so fuckly. what was wrong with the old one?
2017-02-15T21:52:29 < Steffanx> I visit it so irregularly that i dont even see what changed.
2017-02-15T21:52:37 < Tectu> everything changed (seriously)
2017-02-15T21:52:54 < Steffanx> not really.
2017-02-15T21:52:54 < ABLomas> ha! Done! =)
2017-02-15T21:53:01 < ABLomas> now i'm pro chatter! =)
2017-02-15T21:53:16 < Tectu> good job mate!
2017-02-15T21:53:24 < Tectu> now headhunters will rape you
2017-02-15T21:53:40 < Steffanx> I'll command crt to add "Pumper" to his skills list
2017-02-15T21:53:45 < Tectu> haha
2017-02-15T21:54:42 < englishman> i saw Lux on dickedin but wasnt sure it was him, empty profile
2017-02-15T21:54:47 < ABLomas> can't endorse engrishman, wth
2017-02-15T21:54:58 < englishman> must not be him, wrong country
2017-02-15T21:55:15 < englishman> f5 ABLomas i had to refresh for you
2017-02-15T21:55:42 < englishman> dickedin is super buggy
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2017-02-15T21:56:11 < Steffanx> pebkac.
2017-02-15T21:56:14 < ABLomas> done :D
2017-02-15T21:56:42 < englishman> amazing.
2017-02-15T21:57:20 < Tectu> just took a closer look at my keyboard... shouldn't have done that. jesus... 
2017-02-15T21:57:42 < ABLomas> %)
2017-02-15T21:58:34 < Steffanx> You saw jesus in your keyboard? 
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2017-02-15T22:01:34 < englishman> everyone enjoy this farm cat http://i.imgur.com/JeNZ7um.jpg
2017-02-15T22:02:42 < Steffanx> is it outside? 
2017-02-15T22:02:52 < Steffanx> It'll die now for sure.
2017-02-15T22:03:46 < englishman> i think they will be just fine http://i.imgur.com/J3BMG55.jpg
2017-02-15T22:03:53 < englishman> and no, they are inside
2017-02-15T22:04:27 < kakimir> same colourings than in our cats
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2017-02-15T22:05:26 < kakimir> black and blackwhite
2017-02-15T22:06:07 < kakimir> interesting ice eyes one of your cats has
2017-02-15T22:06:30 < kakimir> usually green
2017-02-15T22:06:53 < englishman> always high quality kittens here
2017-02-15T22:07:09 < kakimir> how do you keep your cats so premium?
2017-02-15T22:07:11 < englishman> i was looking for kittens the same colour as lildongs, but there are none
2017-02-15T22:07:44 < kakimir> you hand pick the specimen?
2017-02-15T22:08:16 < englishman> he picked me
2017-02-15T22:09:02 < englishman> lunch over back to aggressive dicknplacing
2017-02-15T22:11:14 < kakimir> he hand picked pro cat owner
2017-02-15T22:12:28 < kakimir> englishman: what are you dicknplacing?
2017-02-15T22:17:05 < englishman> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qdptXDrk/IMG_20170214_111434.jpg
2017-02-15T22:17:26 < Fleck> one could paste code as txt not as img ©Steffanx
2017-02-15T22:18:31 < Steffanx> Lost cause Fleck, lost cause.
2017-02-15T22:19:21 < Fleck> ;p
2017-02-15T22:20:30 < Steffanx> http://pastebin.com/P11tPLNN ocr'ed it for you.
2017-02-15T22:21:05 < Fleck> lol
2017-02-15T22:21:57 < Steffanx> It's hard to make something nice out of crap, LeelooMinai
2017-02-15T22:23:18 < Fleck> yeah, start rewriting Steffanx :ppp
2017-02-15T22:23:37 < Steffanx> Don't give me a reason to OCR.
2017-02-15T22:23:43 < Steffanx> Damn, don't trigger me Fleck.
2017-02-15T22:24:59 < Fleck> here I see problem, one should not think his taste is the best and only one
2017-02-15T22:28:22 < Steffanx> => ignore, so i dont have to see it at all :)
2017-02-15T22:29:34 < Fleck> he thinks lame is pasting img as code :P
2017-02-15T22:29:52 < Fleck> or code as img...
2017-02-15T22:30:39 < emeryth> original code do not steal
2017-02-15T22:30:39 < Fleck> then suddenly? huh? :D
2017-02-15T22:32:45 < Fleck> whats wrong with complaining?
2017-02-15T22:33:09 < Fleck> then suddenly? huh? :D
2017-02-15T22:39:32 < Fleck> so it nails down to, if you think it's lame and inappropriate to complain, then it so, if not, it's a minor thing!
2017-02-15T22:40:34 < Fleck> yeah, my english is bad, sorry
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2017-02-15T22:42:59 < Fleck> those who complain and those who don't? :D
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2017-02-15T23:25:49 < kakimir> I need current probe
2017-02-15T23:26:32 < kakimir> clamp type
2017-02-15T23:26:37 < kakimir> DC
2017-02-15T23:26:45 < kakimir> meanin hall sensor
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2017-02-15T23:27:00 < kakimir> price-efficient
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2017-02-15T23:27:11 < kakimir> recomds.?
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2017-02-15T23:27:46 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/6301e4b9da2f2f87cf86f433783507ef62d0cc9780ee290f3fa9381e2b06324d.jpg
2017-02-15T23:28:50 < kakimir> chats ruin'd
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2017-02-15T23:32:09 < corecode> so i'm trying to wake up that chip from standby, but it doesn't :/
2017-02-15T23:33:27 < kakimir> with what and how
2017-02-15T23:33:46 < corecode> connect WKUP to vdd
2017-02-15T23:34:30 < kakimir> on what platform
2017-02-15T23:34:41 < corecode> gd32f150
2017-02-15T23:35:10 < kakimir> does it work otherwise?
2017-02-15T23:35:15 < corecode> yes
2017-02-15T23:35:30 < corecode> it took me a couple of hours to realize that i had to enable clock for PWR
2017-02-15T23:35:40 < corecode> to actually be able to enter standby
2017-02-15T23:36:28 < corecode> is there anything else to do other than set WUPE?
2017-02-15T23:36:38 < PeterM> kakimir do you want the type you plug into your scope or the hand held dmm style?
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2017-02-15T23:36:50 < kakimir> prefferably both
2017-02-15T23:37:04 < kakimir> I have probe connector in my scopemeter though
2017-02-15T23:37:18 < kakimir> so answer is scope
2017-02-15T23:37:21 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/patriotpeer/patriot-peer-connecting-the-silent-majority?ref=user_menu
2017-02-15T23:37:24 < PeterM> Uni-T UT210E is a standalone meter, does ma range dc
2017-02-15T23:37:41 < kakimir> ma range dc is nice
2017-02-15T23:37:42 < PeterM> can be modified for scope output, has 5khz~ bandwidth
2017-02-15T23:38:08 < PeterM> cp-06 has better bandwidth but it is scope output only
2017-02-15T23:38:12 < corecode> https://gist.github.com/0cc39d706f7c5b1eb4dbadaa1862574e :/
2017-02-15T23:39:21 < kakimir> did you hear data destruction has begun and is ongoing in u.s. Laurenceb_ ? creating new - digital dark age
2017-02-15T23:42:04 < kakimir> PeterM: I probably go with CP06 just watching this "applied science" dude reviewing it
2017-02-15T23:42:50 < kakimir> PeterM: you have one?
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2017-02-15T23:43:43 < kakimir> did you lose connection Peter_M ?
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2017-02-15T23:46:13 < kakimir> corecode: did you follow the procedure list when you coded standby to have everything set properly?
2017-02-15T23:46:53 < kakimir> is connecting VDD to wkup correct way physically to result in wake up or is there falling edge required?
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2017-02-15T23:50:52 < kakimir> is there inexpensive probes with hall based zeroing but actual measurement is with transformer?
2017-02-15T23:51:16 < kakimir> hybrid
2017-02-15T23:51:50 < karlp> what advantages are you looking for?
2017-02-15T23:51:55 < kakimir> everything
2017-02-15T23:52:21 < kakimir> transformer has low noise and good bandwidth
2017-02-15T23:52:34 < kakimir> hall has DC capabilities
2017-02-15T23:54:02 < kakimir> http://www.newark.com/keysight-technologies/n2780b/test-probe-oscilloscope/dp/65T6466 first google result "hybrid current probe"
2017-02-15T23:55:08 < Peter_M> kakimir yeah, the cp-06 is pretty good, for how cheap it is it is worth it imho
2017-02-15T23:55:33 < kakimir> you have some expensive ones too?
2017-02-15T23:55:39 < kakimir> like one in my link?
2017-02-15T23:55:49 < Peter_M> however, the uni-t is a fully standalone unit and at its price it may just be handy to also keep around
2017-02-15T23:56:11 < Peter_M> i dont have expensive ones, usually for expensive test equiptment i rent it
2017-02-15T23:56:49 < kakimir> interesting approach
2017-02-15T23:57:31 < kakimir> I could find such gear too if needed
2017-02-15T23:57:37 < kakimir> via contants
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2017-02-15T23:59:53 < Peter_M> i used to have local(ish) colleagues i could borrow stuff from, but ive moved
2017-02-15T23:59:58 < Peter_M> crt a partyvan
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2017-02-16T00:00:14 < kakimir> https://youtu.be/DQEEtYjnBE0?t=9m10s that is disturbing result
2017-02-16T00:01:12 < kakimir> 0.1ms time setting and there is basically nothing visible
2017-02-16T00:01:57 < kakimir> it misses 100mikrosecond pulse
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2017-02-16T00:04:01 < kakimir> I just understood that when it's so bad and I need to measure stuff from cars and devices I just go with uni-t
2017-02-16T00:04:03 < Peter_M> yeah, 100us is 10khz, but the edges on that pulse are crazy thin
2017-02-16T00:04:23 < Peter_M> and it is only specced for 10khz so...
2017-02-16T00:04:24 < kakimir> an if I need quality measurements I have my 500khz shunt amplifier
2017-02-16T00:07:25 < kakimir> crt is black - he can say the word
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2017-02-16T00:08:11 < Laurenceb_> rage intensifies
2017-02-16T00:11:02 < kakimir> you played yourself crt 
2017-02-16T00:11:52 < kakimir> no you are black and also racist
2017-02-16T00:16:07 < Laurenceb_> <LeelooMinai> That would only make you double-retarded.
2017-02-16T00:16:09 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-02-16T00:16:19 < Laurenceb_> Leeloo confirmed as racist
2017-02-16T00:17:31 < Laurenceb_> what about moonman
2017-02-16T00:17:32 < emeryth> but only white leds?
2017-02-16T00:18:07 < kakimir> Peter_M: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CP-05B-AC-DC-Clamp-Current-Probe-200KHz-400A-special-for-switch-power-/111609541456?hash=item19fc727350:m:mbY-Wx7dO7jbrxZm1pTGVsw friend recommended this but I was looking for DC and lower price point
2017-02-16T00:18:37 < kakimir> that looks pretty nice bandwidth and all for the price
2017-02-16T00:18:39 < englishman> crt
2017-02-16T00:18:49 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2017-02-16T00:18:56 < Laurenceb_> Kim Jun borther got Lolld
2017-02-16T00:19:04 < englishman> oldnews
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2017-02-16T00:19:18 < englishman> crt farm kittens http://i.imgur.com/JeNZ7um.jpg http://i.imgur.com/J3BMG55.jpg
2017-02-16T00:19:39 < Laurenceb_> http://brightcove01.brightcove.com/24/4221396001/201702/1746/4221396001_5323884732001_5323698513001-vs.jpg?pubId=4221396001
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2017-02-16T00:19:54 < Laurenceb_> first case of death by LOL
2017-02-16T00:21:36 < kakimir> englishman: what is the ring?
2017-02-16T00:21:59 < Laurenceb_> crt: the airport assassin
2017-02-16T00:22:08 < kakimir> does it have a huge stone(s) in it?
2017-02-16T00:22:13 < Laurenceb_> maybe they did it for the lulz
2017-02-16T00:22:15 < Peter_M> what was that youtube addon that readstoner was using the otherday?
2017-02-16T00:25:33 < Laurenceb_> lul sounds like British stories
2017-02-16T00:25:48 < Laurenceb_> I knew a PhD student who was on parole
2017-02-16T00:25:50 < Laurenceb_> funtimes
2017-02-16T00:26:56 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNI-T-Kelvin-Multimeter-Leads-Probes-Clip-Meter-Test-Line-Cable-for-UT612-UT611-/252674381285 what are these for?
2017-02-16T00:27:03 < kakimir> double leads
2017-02-16T00:27:08 < Laurenceb_> she
2017-02-16T00:27:16 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-02-16T00:27:43 < Laurenceb_> possession of class A drugs with intent to supply and street prostitution
2017-02-16T00:28:24 < Laurenceb_> typical UK PhD student
2017-02-16T00:28:30 < Laurenceb_> like Heroin and stuff
2017-02-16T00:28:46 < Laurenceb_> the best
2017-02-16T00:30:26 < Laurenceb_> Kelvin moar like Kevin
2017-02-16T00:30:28 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLuEY6jN6gY
2017-02-16T00:30:35 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: yes but look at the clamps itself
2017-02-16T00:30:40 < Laurenceb_> only funny thing BBC ever made
2017-02-16T00:31:29 < englishman> kakimir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ring
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2017-02-16T00:31:50 < kakimir> leads are also split mid way
2017-02-16T00:33:00 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: those are pathetic
2017-02-16T00:33:10 < kakimir> if there is any current
2017-02-16T00:33:28 < kakimir> englishman: interesting
2017-02-16T00:35:22 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: uses current anyhow
2017-02-16T00:35:56 < kakimir> I'm familiar with 4point measurements
2017-02-16T00:36:19 < kakimir> but such leads are more like 2.5point measurement
2017-02-16T00:36:36 < kakimir> half way there
2017-02-16T00:37:14 < kakimir> maybe?
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2017-02-16T00:39:02 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TP88A-Piercing-Needle-Non-destructive-test-probe-Use-for-FLUKE-TL71-TL75-TL175-/262493316882 are these any good?
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2017-02-16T00:39:28 < kakimir> or have some actual probes with sharpened needles?
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2017-02-16T00:40:27 < kakimir> measuring from pcb etc. my test leads are totally blunt
2017-02-16T00:40:40 < kakimir> can't even fit between smds
2017-02-16T00:40:55 < englishman> i just sharpened mine up on some sandpaper
2017-02-16T00:41:21 < kakimir> englishman: I.. there must be some plating and stuff that goes?
2017-02-16T00:41:28 < englishman> meh
2017-02-16T00:41:56 < kakimir> interesting
2017-02-16T00:41:58 < kakimir> i have those
2017-02-16T00:42:30 < kakimir> I don't undestand
2017-02-16T00:43:13 < kakimir> how did you make them?
2017-02-16T00:44:02 < kakimir> there is problem when it actually slips it hits stuff as the spring is energised
2017-02-16T00:44:07 < kakimir> energized
2017-02-16T00:44:18 < kakimir> but yes you can fuk up with solid ones too
2017-02-16T00:47:05 < kakimir> that press fit part.. what did you use for it?
2017-02-16T00:47:09 < kakimir> what is that tube?
2017-02-16T00:47:53 < kakimir> tube connecting pogo to the tip
2017-02-16T00:48:13 < Peter_M> kakimir go to a sewing supply store, buy 2x the big universal machine needles, solder some 18awg silicone wire and banana jacks to them and heatshrink em
2017-02-16T00:48:31 < kakimir> Peter_M: you did that?
2017-02-16T00:49:02 < Peter_M> yeah
2017-02-16T00:49:04 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-16T00:49:23 < Peter_M> if you want one sharper, get a mictorex/sharp machien needle trather than universal ones
2017-02-16T00:49:34 < Peter_M> microtex
2017-02-16T00:52:29 < Peter_M> they are ususally made of stainless steel, so fairly stiff, resistance isnt as good as copepr etc but for such fine probes thats not an issue, because SS they dont oxidize 
2017-02-16T00:56:22 < kakimir> I think I need to get some china leads to solder those pogo sticks to
2017-02-16T00:56:37 < kakimir> prefferably copper core tips
2017-02-16T01:02:09 < kakimir> my pogo sticks do not have such foreskin than your pogo stick have
2017-02-16T01:02:32 < kakimir> to dock into probe tip
2017-02-16T01:06:41 < kakimir> mine are like
2017-02-16T01:06:56 < kakimir> tube and a pin
2017-02-16T01:09:14 < kakimir> that http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-Spring-Test-Probe-Receptacle-Pogo-Pin-P100-B1-1-36mm-Dia-33-35mm-Length-/201503309064 pretty much this
2017-02-16T01:10:27 < kakimir> how you use such wire in let's say test rig?
2017-02-16T01:10:53 < kakimir> and the pogostick itself
2017-02-16T01:11:38 < kakimir> those are usually some kind of plate with mechanic fixture that lowers it
2017-02-16T01:11:56 < kakimir> but how the pogo is connected to the plate
2017-02-16T01:12:33 < kakimir> do pogo sticks wear easily?
2017-02-16T01:13:05 < kakimir> oh that is the bulge for
2017-02-16T01:13:16 < kakimir> wire goes thru the hole
2017-02-16T01:13:52 < zyp> when I've used pogo pins, I just soldered them to a protoboard, all the points I wanted to contact were on a 100mil grid
2017-02-16T01:13:57 < kakimir> how I would do a test rig I would have 2pcbs with identical holes and then do mad soldering
2017-02-16T01:14:11 < kakimir> and if it failed I would be fuk'd
2017-02-16T01:14:17 < zyp> for more complex stuff, I imagine I'd just fab a board to hold the pogo pins
2017-02-16T01:14:46 < Peter_M> ^ fab a board to hold the pins and a board to connect the pins
2017-02-16T01:15:11 < zyp> you could use the same board for both
2017-02-16T01:15:32 < Peter_M> you  can but it isnt as easy if you want the probes to be removeable
2017-02-16T01:15:33 < zyp> if you want to stack two for rigidity and don't want trace antennas on the dumb one, just do 0R next to each pin
2017-02-16T01:15:36 < kakimir> hey solder some brass tube things to pcb holes
2017-02-16T01:15:48 < kakimir> then just press receptable to it
2017-02-16T01:16:01 < kakimir> innovation!
2017-02-16T01:17:03 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/200pcs-M1-5x3-Through-Hole-Rivets-Hollow-Grommets-PCB-Circuit-Board-/191751348496
2017-02-16T01:17:11 < kakimir> such things
2017-02-16T01:17:35 < kakimir> why derlin?
2017-02-16T01:18:55 < zyp> but you can't solder to that
2017-02-16T01:20:56 < zyp> it seems like extra hassle, when you can just throw out a quick pcb design with a bunch of holes for pogo pins, routed to convenient connectors along the edge
2017-02-16T01:22:24 < kakimir> why not just.. pvc or anything?
2017-02-16T01:23:21 < kakimir> is derlin like some common material?
2017-02-16T01:23:39 < zyp> not delrin?
2017-02-16T01:24:14 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: that is acryl
2017-02-16T01:24:35 < kakimir> most likelly or polycarbonate if not acryl
2017-02-16T01:25:25 < kakimir> should test rig be ordered rigth from china custom made or something?
2017-02-16T01:25:30 < zyp> LeelooMinai, are you sure it's not spelled delrin?
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2017-02-16T01:26:28 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-16T01:26:34 < kakimir> zyp: it actually might be delrin
2017-02-16T01:26:56 < kakimir> and it is
2017-02-16T01:27:19 < zyp> also, I'm mixing it up with some thin styrofoam-like sheets that we used for thermal insulation under electric heated floors, when I worked as an electrician
2017-02-16T01:27:54 < zyp> ah, no, that was depron
2017-02-16T01:28:25 < kakimir> depron is the stuff that you cut with hotwire
2017-02-16T01:28:29 < zyp> same two initial and last letters :)
2017-02-16T01:28:30 < kakimir> for rc airplane
2017-02-16T01:28:38 < zyp> yeah, it's just polystyrene
2017-02-16T01:28:51 < zyp> I just got confused by the similar name
2017-02-16T01:33:24 < kakimir> it's pretty hard to get that stuff
2017-02-16T01:33:26 < kakimir> in here
2017-02-16T01:33:55 < kakimir> I have tried to find small quantity from stores around
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2017-02-16T01:36:07 < kakimir> interesting.. stuff there is our warehouse shitloads is actually same stuff than depron
2017-02-16T01:37:10 < kakimir> I was sure the material was different but it's same stuff
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2017-02-16T01:40:11 < kakimir> I bought actual depron sheet and it was completelly different feeling stuff
2017-02-16T01:40:48 < kakimir> it was hard and didn't have a film surface and it was more brittle
2017-02-16T01:42:56 < kakimir> stuff I have is stiff and does deformation before breaking
2017-02-16T01:43:12 < kakimir> permanent deformation*
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2017-02-16T01:46:36 < kakimir> oh polypropyline is the stuff
2017-02-16T01:46:51 < kakimir> EPP
2017-02-16T01:49:49 < kakimir> but both EPS and EPP are cutable and usable
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2017-02-16T01:57:38 < kakimir> I tried to sand XPS* I had but it just
2017-02-16T01:58:04 < kakimir> pulls pieces out of the surface and cracks the surface
2017-02-16T01:58:33 < kakimir> surface starts moving with sand paper and breaks
2017-02-16T02:00:07 < kakimir> elasticity is too great
2017-02-16T02:00:15 < kakimir> or maybe too low grit paper
2017-02-16T02:00:36 < kakimir> or not enought dense foam
2017-02-16T02:01:21 < kakimir> 30-50kg/m^3
2017-02-16T02:03:51 < kakimir> it is
2017-02-16T02:04:03 < kakimir> good
2017-02-16T02:05:25 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZveGp2TErCc
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2017-02-16T02:15:12 < kakimir> I think time to chill>
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2017-02-16T03:24:07 < dongs> < corecode> what happens when i access a peripheral that has its power domain switched off?
2017-02-16T03:24:11 < dongs> stuff will jsut be zero
2017-02-16T03:24:31 < dongs> usually happens when you do shit like RCC_APB1_Clock(APB2Device, ENABLE)
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2017-02-16T03:37:41 < aandrew> is it just zeroed/random or does it hang?
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2017-02-16T03:45:51 < dongs> aandrew: just zero, and writes to it fail
2017-02-16T03:45:57 < dongs> i mean,, succeeed, but nothign is written
2017-02-16T03:46:10 < aandrew> sure, right ok
2017-02-16T03:48:01 < englishman> dongs, how are the fish
2017-02-16T03:48:16 < dongs> they've been alive for about a year, thanks for asking tho
2017-02-16T03:48:23 < englishman> you asked about light
2017-02-16T03:48:26 < dongs> right
2017-02-16T03:48:32 < dongs> they're without light, for now.
2017-02-16T03:48:35 < englishman> they dont need light, but you do, if you want to see them
2017-02-16T03:48:43 < dongs> yaeh thats wat iw as told by a fishfag
2017-02-16T03:48:53 < dongs> that and corals, which I dont have
2017-02-16T03:49:02 < dongs> the plants inside might need light but they're doing OK with just some daylight
2017-02-16T03:49:07 < englishman> corals are for saltwater anyway
2017-02-16T03:49:23 < englishman> plants can use normal light they just won't grow or grow really slow
2017-02-16T03:51:00 < dongs> mkay
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2017-02-16T04:00:53 < dongs> how does one get cube hal for F4?
2017-02-16T04:00:57 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/embedded-software/stm32cubef4.html
2017-02-16T04:00:58 < dongs> is that this?
2017-02-16T04:01:50 < englishman> download it in cube then C:\Users\user\STM32Cube\Repository\STM32Cube_FW_F4_V1.13.0
2017-02-16T04:02:02 < englishman> but that looks like it yea
2017-02-16T04:02:23 < englishman> looks like i have to update
2017-02-16T04:03:11 < dongs> hmm ok i guess i could update
2017-02-16T04:03:16 < dongs> i have cube running somewehre
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2017-02-16T04:04:35 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/4hgZmZx.gifv
2017-02-16T04:05:04 < dongs> fuckin retard
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2017-02-16T04:05:47 < dongs> has cube updated to CMSIS 5.0.1 yet
2017-02-16T04:05:50 < dongs> or still on 4.x
2017-02-16T04:06:13 < englishman> isnt cmsis a keil pack
2017-02-16T04:08:44 < englishman> how fast do you pass the sqeegee
2017-02-16T04:08:48 < englishman> say over a panel of 6
2017-02-16T04:08:52 < englishman> how many seconds
2017-02-16T04:09:04 < dongs> < 5? i guess
2017-02-16T04:09:10 < dongs> moer ilek 3 ?
2017-02-16T04:09:11 < dongs> i donno
2017-02-16T04:09:13 < dongs> around that
2017-02-16T04:09:20 < englishman> so like 2" per second
2017-02-16T04:09:32 < dongs> wahtever that in non-freedom units yea
2017-02-16T04:09:40 < dongs> real stencil prints are about same speed
2017-02-16T04:09:51 < englishman> i thought i was going too fast and slowed down to about that, prints are much better
2017-02-16T04:09:54 < englishman> but still lots of fails
2017-02-16T04:11:08 < dongs> you need my new pro pneumatic stencil tensioner then
2017-02-16T04:11:19 < dongs> gotta fix zaxis wobble on that shit tho
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2017-02-16T04:22:09 < dongs> hm so
2017-02-16T04:22:20 < dongs> ST sample code has some bullshit FMC wait loop before doing reads/writes from sdram
2017-02-16T04:22:23 < dongs> is that really needed?
2017-02-16T04:22:30 < dongs> i tried to do some DMA without this stuff and it works
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2017-02-16T04:52:48 < dongs> 0x66 0x17a
2017-02-16T05:06:51 < emeb_mac> a hex on you
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2017-02-16T05:09:28 < dongs> just timing some stuff
2017-02-16T05:09:38 < dongs> dat systick
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2017-02-16T05:15:07 < emeb_mac> got my R820 test board built up. Wrote / kanged some code to control it.
2017-02-16T05:15:24 < dongs> how's it doing
2017-02-16T05:15:30 < emeb_mac> I2C interface seems to be working - can read / write registers.
2017-02-16T05:15:44 < emeb_mac> need to start testing w/ some RF signals tomorrow.
2017-02-16T05:16:15 < emeb_mac> not blogged yet
2017-02-16T05:21:24 < upgrdman> crt, why drill corroded vias? how would that help
2017-02-16T05:23:09 < upgrdman> k
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2017-02-16T06:10:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PIYB4RH.gifv crt irl
2017-02-16T06:13:04 < dongs> a hunch
2017-02-16T06:13:40 < dongs> what happens first SPI tx or RX?
2017-02-16T06:16:14 < dongs> i think ur wrong
2017-02-16T06:16:40 < dongs> im looking thorugh amazing ST hal code
2017-02-16T06:16:47 < dongs> and when it does SPI_Receive()
2017-02-16T06:16:56 < dongs> it calls TransmitReceive() with same buffers
2017-02-16T06:17:12 < dongs> hm but that doesnt necessarily prove that rx doesnt happen first
2017-02-16T06:17:45 < dongs> lets see what it does on transmit only
2017-02-16T06:18:05 < dongs> only opens DMA on transmit buffer.
2017-02-16T06:18:40 < dongs> as awful as hal looks i do kinda wish I could just use it cuz there's a lot of code that simply JUST WORKS in it
2017-02-16T06:28:43 < englishman> i ended up writing my own super simple blocking spi reads/writes that dont have any stupid timeout shit
2017-02-16T06:31:46 < dongs> englishman: can't do blocking here, i wanna go from SPI to sdram with DMA
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2017-02-16T06:32:10 < englishman> o dma
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2017-02-16T06:42:14 < dongs> looking at allWinner R16
2017-02-16T06:45:52 < dongs> hm loks boring.
2017-02-16T06:49:56 < emeb_mac> allWhiner
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2017-02-16T06:52:44 < dongs> zyp, looks like there's some space to fit about 3-4 copies of your board in todays or tomrorows panel
2017-02-16T06:52:57 < dongs> will let know.
2017-02-16T06:53:01 < dongs> if succeeds
2017-02-16T06:55:07 < dongs> R16 is 35 rmb hhe
2017-02-16T06:55:16 < dongs> m 5.10 thats not cheap
2017-02-16T06:55:16 < dongs> k
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2017-02-16T07:09:18 < dongs> i dont know. im stealing hal codez
2017-02-16T07:11:06 < upgrdman> wtf's the point of this net? doesnt the rail provide fall protection?  https://i.redd.it/5qpu2cbrv3gy.gif
2017-02-16T07:11:33 < dongs> looks like foxconn parking lot
2017-02-16T07:11:44 < englishman> Toronto man tries to make necklace out of bullet, shoots himself in leg
2017-02-16T07:11:58 < dongs> typical canadian actibity
2017-02-16T07:12:11 < englishman> rip aandrew
2017-02-16T07:12:18 < dongs> ror
2017-02-16T07:17:44 < aandrew> hm?
2017-02-16T07:18:32 < aandrew> oh
2017-02-16T07:18:35 < aandrew> I'm close to toronto
2017-02-16T07:18:37 < aandrew> haven't heard about that
2017-02-16T07:20:01 < englishman> i see property price fever is hitting toronto
2017-02-16T07:20:29 < englishman> mild mannered single family bungalow, don mills, $2.3m
2017-02-16T07:23:13 < aandrew> yep, fucking insane
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2017-02-16T08:15:08 < emeb_mac> mein leben
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2017-02-16T08:36:01 < dongs> which parameter in mosfet is D to G leakage
2017-02-16T08:36:06 < dongs> is this specified somewehre?
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2017-02-16T08:37:50 < dongs> http://tinyurl.com/jhwwp8z my pal claims there's a D->G leakage if using on/off gpio and to truly "off" this one must remove the swich (put gpio into high Z)
2017-02-16T08:38:02 < dongs> LED is optocoupler led btw
2017-02-16T08:38:11 < dongs> am i being trolled
2017-02-16T08:41:04 < PeterM> very likely
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2017-02-16T08:41:33 < PeterM> d->g leakage is in the order og 10meg-1gig
2017-02-16T08:42:02 < dongs> he claims unless its high Z, opto is still transmitting somethign
2017-02-16T08:42:27 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/moc3020.pdf its this part btw
2017-02-16T08:42:48 < dongs> but doesnt matter i geuss, its just a fucking led doing a triac thing.
2017-02-16T08:44:22 < PeterM> holding current says 150uA
2017-02-16T08:44:48 < PeterM> so ya, unless you're driving your fet with 2000v on the gate you're fine
2017-02-16T08:45:19 < dongs> 150uA is the current it needs to turn the shit on?
2017-02-16T08:48:22 < PeterM> no thats the holdign current - ie, once its triggered you need to reduce the current to less than 150ua for it to turn off
2017-02-16T08:48:43 < ohsix> sup
2017-02-16T08:48:52 < dongs> the problem supposedly is shit staying on despite gate being low
2017-02-16T08:50:31 < ohsix> did you say low or high z
2017-02-16T08:50:34 < ohsix> cuz high z isn't low
2017-02-16T08:50:45 < ohsix> the gate charge can stick around for a while if you don't pull it down
2017-02-16T08:51:33 < PeterM> i would suspect that more to noise on the gate rather than the on/off
2017-02-16T08:51:56 < ohsix> that, some, as well, also
2017-02-16T08:52:16 < ohsix> all sorts of funny shit happenes when you're not gnd referenced
2017-02-16T08:53:23 < ohsix> one of the dudes in one of the classes was lolling when he could disconnect ground and it still worked, put the scope on it to show him what was happening
2017-02-16T08:53:37 < ohsix> other junk was pulling it around enough to keep it in sync
2017-02-16T08:58:08 < dongs> crt,
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2017-02-16T09:00:40 < dongs> spi4TransferDMA(buf, buf, 8192) 
2017-02-16T09:00:41 < dongs> works
2017-02-16T09:04:44 < ohsix> are you fixing nicd damage or something?
2017-02-16T09:05:28 < ohsix> nice
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2017-02-16T09:11:58 < ohsix> got haxor .1mm magnet wire
2017-02-16T09:12:14 < ohsix> 'course i don't need it now
2017-02-16T09:12:55 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-16T09:13:02 < ohsix> heh that is a good idea
2017-02-16T09:13:13 < ohsix> i needed insulated junk tho
2017-02-16T09:13:44 < ohsix> i was using 32ga solid core but there is 14 gauge 7 conductor shiz that would have been good
2017-02-16T09:16:33 < ohsix> heheh
2017-02-16T09:17:07 < ohsix> pal of mine did arty arduino light thing at a taco shop and he took payment in tacos
2017-02-16T09:18:01 < ohsix> remote control lighting fixtures, looked pretty good
2017-02-16T09:18:24 < ohsix> you haven't found the right reseller
2017-02-16T09:23:33 < dongs> hm 24ns
2017-02-16T09:26:25 < dongs> no thats clock period for this spi aids
2017-02-16T09:29:33 < ohsix> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1116392
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2017-02-16T09:33:05 < Laurenceb_> sup
2017-02-16T09:33:15 < Laurenceb_> too early :(
2017-02-16T09:33:45 < Laurenceb_> have to go to grandmothers funeral :(
2017-02-16T09:38:21 < Laurenceb_> not poss over internets :P
2017-02-16T09:39:00 < Laurenceb_> hmm I get to meet my weird cousins
2017-02-16T09:43:25 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-02-16T09:43:33 < Laurenceb_> but they are even weirder
2017-02-16T09:44:31 < Laurenceb_> https://ibin.co/3CZG2blrHEaX.png
2017-02-16T09:44:37 < Laurenceb_> muh cousins
2017-02-16T09:45:36 < Laurenceb_> profile pic is a rotting dead animal head...
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2017-02-16T09:51:24 < Laurenceb_> this is going to be a herd of autist edgelords, I can see it already
2017-02-16T09:51:32 < Laurenceb_> like 4chan /b/ irl
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2017-02-16T10:08:04 < dongs> my 3V-335 belt arrived
2017-02-16T10:08:05 < dongs> that was quick
2017-02-16T10:08:38 < dongs> made by mitsubishi heavy industries
2017-02-16T10:10:29 < dongs> of course its a fucking inner belt and Ih ave to take 2 others out before i can put this shit in
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2017-02-16T10:14:26 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFnTpURe7UI
2017-02-16T10:14:57 < ohsix> ReadError: watching the expanse?
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2017-02-16T10:28:58 < englishman> whoa, chinapkg arrived after 105 days
2017-02-16T10:29:08 < dongs> haha wat was it
2017-02-16T10:29:15 < dongs> did you choose AMP!six shipping method
2017-02-16T10:31:19 < Steffanx> Still no clue what AMP! is. This google stuff i have never seen?
2017-02-16T10:31:34 < englishman> some cat5 patch cables from ebay for $4
2017-02-16T10:31:50 < englishman> crt = bogan rossman
2017-02-16T10:32:10 < dongs> maybe google canada doesn't support AMP
2017-02-16T10:32:25 < englishman> they do and its dumb
2017-02-16T10:32:39 < englishman> Dutch however are rather slow people
2017-02-16T10:33:36 < dongs> are you using duckduckgo as your search engien
2017-02-16T10:33:39 < dongs> how can younot see amp
2017-02-16T10:33:48 < englishman> I shipped a pkg to zwolle today
2017-02-16T10:35:35 < ohsix> http://www.nokomisinc.com/adec.html lul
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2017-02-16T10:46:44 < Steffanx> Dont do Zwolle englishman
2017-02-16T10:47:12 < Steffanx> Also dutch are fast, as long as it stays inside dutchland
2017-02-16T10:47:33 < ohsix> m8
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2017-02-16T11:18:14 < Steffanx> Do you have schematics of the stuff you repair or is it all reverse engineer work crt?
2017-02-16T11:24:23 < Steffanx> And its dead and black?
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2017-02-16T11:25:39 < dongs> who?
2017-02-16T11:26:20 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2017-02-16T11:27:37 < mitrax> 'lo there
2017-02-16T11:28:02 < mitrax> crt: i know it's your fucking shed!!
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2017-02-16T11:29:20 < mitrax> would you happen to know a decent electrical schematics design software? similar to designspark electrical, easy to use, for my retarded collegue
2017-02-16T11:29:48 < dongs> he said electrical cad
2017-02-16T11:29:51 < dongs> like house plans and shit
2017-02-16T11:30:04 < dongs> i mean you could do that trash in altidumb but I dont think it'd be worth the time
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2017-02-16T11:30:50 < mitrax> yeah electrical cad shit
2017-02-16T11:31:16 < dongs> is designspark too aids or wat
2017-02-16T11:31:47 < dongs> i think mostr people jsut use autocad or its electric version
2017-02-16T11:34:24 < PeterM> whats visio like for electrical cad? i know its decent for most types of diagrams etc
2017-02-16T11:34:27 < mitrax> it seems ok to me, but i was wondering if there were any other good alternative... collegue wants something easy to use, when there's a steep learning curve he's like "this software is crap" after 5 min
2017-02-16T11:35:52 < Tectu> bonjour monsieur mitrax 
2017-02-16T11:36:18 < mitrax> Tectu: Guten Morgen!
2017-02-16T11:36:31 < mitrax> Herr Tectu
2017-02-16T11:36:36 < Tectu>  :D
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2017-02-16T11:37:10 < PeterM> gday m8
2017-02-16T11:41:31 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDhVPmp-Fo8&t=125 what the shit
2017-02-16T11:43:21 < PeterM> thats pretty neat tho
2017-02-16T11:46:33 < dongs> certainly can actually be LISTENED TO
2017-02-16T11:46:42 < dongs> and his latest video has something resembling a schematic
2017-02-16T11:46:54 < dongs> when was the last time EEVBEG did something EE related??
2017-02-16T11:58:58 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUnEgOINNgk
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2017-02-16T12:18:18 < karlp> heh, 1.3ohms on v+/gnd lines on this cable
2017-02-16T12:20:05 < karlp> presumably, cable I've had for ages, thought it was one of hte better ones. clearly isn't :)
2017-02-16T12:20:29 < karlp> says 28awg on it, so probably not surprising that it's shit
2017-02-16T12:21:09 < karlp> should still be only 0.2ohm/foot, and the cable is only ~1foot
2017-02-16T12:25:01 < karlp> alu should only be double resistance 
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2017-02-16T12:26:15 < karlp> resistance calculates as if the cable was made of lead.
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2017-02-16T12:27:28 < karlp> or it's actually like 38 gauge.
2017-02-16T12:27:41 < karlp> well, probably just shitty contact connections from cable to connectors I guess too
2017-02-16T12:27:44  * karlp shrugs
2017-02-16T12:28:11 < karlp> not sure I need this to test devices either think it's just going in the bin.
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2017-02-16T13:02:42 < Tectu> moon*
2017-02-16T13:08:06 < Tectu> too bad it was all fake
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2017-02-16T13:35:40 < Peter_M> i dunno about you fellas buy holy shit these LCDs make the room fuckin hot
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2017-02-16T13:53:40 < dongs> wtf
2017-02-16T13:53:46 < dongs> F3 usart has separate DR for read and wrietr?
2017-02-16T13:56:55 < zyp> yes
2017-02-16T13:57:23 < zyp> that's USART v2, bunch of differences from v1
2017-02-16T14:11:44 < Fleck> morning!
2017-02-16T14:12:02 < Fleck> uhh, ohh, hey I-Wish! :D
2017-02-16T14:31:41 < karlp> crt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxwbhkDjZM
2017-02-16T14:32:41 < karlp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxwbhkDjZM&feature=youtu.be&t=25 particularly :)
2017-02-16T14:33:19 < karlp> and, because I'm repeating myself.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoolUEybYtY
2017-02-16T14:42:31 < dongs> fuck
2017-02-16T14:45:40 < dongs> fuck, DMA on F3 sucks cock
2017-02-16T14:45:53 < dongs> well, it sucks on all STMs but F1=style shit is particularly awful
2017-02-16T14:51:54 < dongs> can I attach same exti line to 2 pins?
2017-02-16T14:52:01 < dongs> like, PA0 and PF0
2017-02-16T14:52:05 < dongs> and it'll trigger from either
2017-02-16T14:52:09 < karlp> yar, but then you get both
2017-02-16T14:52:15 < dongs> i dont mind that
2017-02-16T14:52:19 < karlp> yeah, you've even answered this to someone else iirc :)
2017-02-16T14:52:34 < karlp> you can read the gpio_idr regs in the irq to check which one
2017-02-16T14:53:15 < dongs> damn this fucking fputc() shit completely rapes my IRQ-based usart sender
2017-02-16T14:53:19 < dongs> i guess I need to buffer it somehow
2017-02-16T14:53:32 < dongs> stick into fifo first that gets pulled by transmit routine?
2017-02-16T14:53:40 < karlp> that's a pretty common path.
2017-02-16T14:53:48 < dongs> sending 500 chars, seeing like 50
2017-02-16T14:53:50 < dongs> in output
2017-02-16T14:54:03 < karlp> heh. "worked when I was just typing thought it" sort of shit
2017-02-16T14:55:03 < dongs> the real problem of course is the libc fputc thing
2017-02-16T14:55:10 < dongs> it is called per char, without buffering
2017-02-16T14:55:36 < karlp> hrm, I just implement _write, 
2017-02-16T14:55:42 < karlp> can put it into your own buffer there
2017-02-16T14:55:48 < dongs> oh?
2017-02-16T14:55:49 < karlp> never implemented fputc before
2017-02-16T14:56:06 < dongs> well, keil shit for printf() and friends and fprintf(stdout/err/etc) just wants me to make fputc
2017-02-16T14:56:17 < karlp> yeah, to get printf I just implement _write.
2017-02-16T14:56:59 < karlp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/blob/master/examples/stm32/f4/stm32f4-discovery/adc-dac-printf/adc-dac-printf.c#L71-L94
2017-02-16T14:57:06 < karlp> that just does a dumb blcoking write, 
2017-02-16T14:57:18 < karlp> b ut you can stuff to your ownfifo there and let an irq drain it
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2017-02-16T14:58:09 < karlp> and when it was full? drop or block?
2017-02-16T14:58:24 < karlp> no-one ws suggesting that the dumb blocking write was the gold standard of production code
2017-02-16T14:59:12 < dongs> write isnt it
2017-02-16T14:59:16 < dongs> at least in keil libc .
2017-02-16T14:59:43 < karlp> as long as you are really good at handling your races on push/pop and detecting the difference between full and empty :)
2017-02-16T14:59:47 < karlp> keil sucks, keil did wtc?
2017-02-16T14:59:54 < dongs> not at all
2017-02-16T15:01:38 < karlp> dongs: might be that keil needs fputc for printf because it doesn't use any memory internally?
2017-02-16T15:01:51 < karlp> and the newlib one makes it's own buffer internally, then calls write with it all at once?
2017-02-16T15:01:55 < dongs> yeah, it doesnt
2017-02-16T15:01:55 < dongs> right
2017-02-16T15:02:18 < karlp> are you not reading LeelooMinai?
2017-02-16T15:04:58 < dongs> ok added negrotastic way
2017-02-16T15:05:03 < dongs> to jsut block
2017-02-16T15:05:13 < dongs> when from that thing
2017-02-16T15:05:59 < dongs> _fputc
2017-02-16T15:06:44 < karlp> even if it's fputc, can you still not just keep stuffing into your own fifo there?
2017-02-16T15:07:25 < dongs> yah but i wanted to make this shit working. then i'd have to write a thread-safe fifo and shit
2017-02-16T15:07:30 < dongs> not that important for this application
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2017-02-16T15:13:42 < dongs> i think i asked THIS before too..
2017-02-16T15:13:53 < dongs> what should I use to hash down 96bit STM ID to 32bits
2017-02-16T15:14:14 < dongs> CRC32??
2017-02-16T15:15:03 < dongs> http://false.ekta.is/2012/06/stm32-device-electronic-signature-unique-device-id-register/
2017-02-16T15:15:26 < karlp> that's what I've done, yes...
2017-02-16T15:15:33 < dongs> using CRC peripehral?
2017-02-16T15:15:35 < karlp> yeah
2017-02-16T15:15:41 < dongs> neat, got a shithub link?
2017-02-16T15:15:44 < dongs> im too lazy to set it up
2017-02-16T15:15:54 < dongs> its probly liek 5 lines of code
2017-02-16T15:16:07 < dongs> ah but you probly used libOPENCMAIDS
2017-02-16T15:17:40 < dongs> anyway stdperiph sample code = pro enough
2017-02-16T15:17:41 < dongs> using.
2017-02-16T15:18:19 < karlp> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/EfD1uiL2rwxK8oXCOd~-9F5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=H or something, but yeah, openaids
2017-02-16T15:18:23 < karlp> it's super easy
2017-02-16T15:18:33 < dongs> jesus that fucking site took 30 seconds to open
2017-02-16T15:18:44 < karlp> yeah, looks like it just got "improved"
2017-02-16T15:18:50 < karlp> no idea what they did to it, used to b eoog
2017-02-16T15:18:54 < karlp> used to be good
2017-02-16T15:19:05 < dongs> why do it again?
2017-02-16T15:19:11 < dongs> oh i see
2017-02-16T15:19:14 < dongs> you're combvining to 48
2017-02-16T15:19:17 < dongs> yeah ill jsut run it through once
2017-02-16T15:19:18 < dongs> to get 32.
2017-02-16T15:19:23 < karlp> LeelooMinai: I'm using g-a-e, but any newlib based toolchain would be the same
2017-02-16T15:19:35 < karlp> yeah, I was making serials that were "comaptible" with MACs
2017-02-16T15:24:54 < dongs> buffer length for crc periph is in 32bits?
2017-02-16T15:28:38 < dongs> is tehre an online crc32 i can check
2017-02-16T15:30:40 < Fleck> LeelooMinai: this channel or that channel? :P
2017-02-16T15:31:33 < karlp> dongs: which crc periph again?
2017-02-16T15:31:53 < karlp> there's all sorts of reversing shit for the original crc periph to make it match anything host side.
2017-02-16T15:31:55 < Fleck> LeelooMinai: I know, I don't have to guess :P
2017-02-16T15:32:20 < dongs> karlp: f302
2017-02-16T15:33:25 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-16T15:33:27 < dongs> http://www.sunshine2k.de/coding/javascript/crc/crc_js.html
2017-02-16T15:33:30 < dongs> according to this
2017-02-16T15:33:33 < dongs> my poly is CRC_MPEG2
2017-02-16T15:33:37 < dongs> 0x4C11DB7
2017-02-16T15:34:08 < dongs> i wonder if ishould copy the UID into sram
2017-02-16T15:34:17 < dongs> im just pointing crc periph to the 1ffffwhatever address
2017-02-16T15:34:52 < karlp> yeah, mpeg2 is right iirc.
2017-02-16T15:35:17 < dongs> im getting 4e6b09f0 for return from peripheral
2017-02-16T15:35:26 < dongs> 0x71F9F065 from site
2017-02-16T15:35:50 < karlp> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/s8hhC2s~ZkJ213TupvSpel5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
2017-02-16T15:36:06 < karlp> that's how I use the crc periph to get a crc of flash that matches what I can calculate host side
2017-02-16T15:37:24 < dongs> hm. i guess as long as it works i dont really care because i dont need to re-create it anywhere else
2017-02-16T15:38:08 < karlp> yeah, that's why I didn't care for the serial number geeneration
2017-02-16T15:38:20 < dongs> why opensource uses void func(void) {
2017-02-16T15:38:28 < dongs> instead of void func(void)\n{
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2017-02-16T15:38:39 < dongs> { on same line for functions looks messy as fUCK
2017-02-16T15:38:49 < karlp> style.
2017-02-16T15:38:56 < karlp> some people prefer { on same line, some one new line.
2017-02-16T15:38:58 < dongs> GNU?STYLE
2017-02-16T15:39:17 < karlp> I normally use { on same line by default, some projects are { on new line, if I've set up my autoformatter correctly.
2017-02-16T15:39:24 < dongs> wait waht the hell
2017-02-16T15:39:28 < dongs> karlp, taht ekta.is is your site
2017-02-16T15:39:30 < karlp> yes.
2017-02-16T15:39:33 < dongs> the one i pasted earlierl
2017-02-16T15:39:33 < karlp> you didn't know that?
2017-02-16T15:39:34 < dongs> lol
2017-02-16T15:39:48 < dongs> no i just noticed cuz i clicked the shit about weird prices of STM32 devices and noticed 'posted by karlp
2017-02-16T15:40:02  * karlp should bl0g more.
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2017-02-16T17:26:04 < corecode> that i2c peripheral is a bit confusing
2017-02-16T17:29:43 < karlp> corecode: the docs make it more complicated than it needs to be
2017-02-16T17:33:52 < corecode> karlp: two options how to receive, start couting at N-4, special cases for N=1,2,3?
2017-02-16T17:33:54 < corecode> meh?
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2017-02-16T17:45:39  * karlp doesn't remember.
2017-02-16T17:45:48 < karlp> Igot help with it from some people here, haven't looked at it in _ages_
2017-02-16T17:46:12 < karlp> but it was something like, "you don't actually need special cases for all those that are implied by the ref man.
2017-02-16T17:46:22 < karlp> also, are you reading the stm32 ref man or the gd32 refman?
2017-02-16T17:46:26 < karlp> I'm only commenting on stm32
2017-02-16T17:50:50 < dongs> heh
2017-02-16T17:51:00 < dongs> GD32 fixes the fuckups in I2C periph but its still the shitty F1 one
2017-02-16T17:51:06 < dongs> F3 I2C is actualyl fuckingaesome
2017-02-16T17:51:18 < dongs> in polling mode, you just send start, nubmer of bytes, and go
2017-02-16T17:51:27 < dongs> no specialcasing for -1, -2, -fuckoff, etc
2017-02-16T17:53:06 < karlp> this is why no-one say uses f1 anymore.
2017-02-16T17:53:23 < dongs> its still the best price/performance for throaway projects
2017-02-16T17:53:31 < aandrew> god damn it
2017-02-16T17:53:41 < aandrew> debugging with jlink and gdb/openocd is shit
2017-02-16T17:53:42 < corecode> wow these docs are real bad
2017-02-16T17:53:43 < dongs> i gotta figure out why im not getting any characterz over UART tho
2017-02-16T17:53:48 < corecode> both the stm32 and the gd32
2017-02-16T17:53:54 < aandrew> break is fine, then randomly gdb aborts
2017-02-16T17:54:04 < karlp> gdb aborting is pretty special...
2017-02-16T17:54:20 < dongs> gdb IS an abortion all by itself
2017-02-16T17:54:24 < karlp> also, looks like I'm going to embedded world if anyone else is and wants a beer at all.
2017-02-16T17:54:33 < corecode> aandrew: don't "r" on gdb right after attaching
2017-02-16T17:54:35 < corecode> they have a bug
2017-02-16T17:54:44 < corecode> you first need to "c", then later you can "r" to restart
2017-02-16T17:54:46 < aandrew> I'm not
2017-02-16T17:54:49 < aandrew> it attaches just fine
2017-02-16T17:54:53 < corecode> oh embedded world
2017-02-16T17:54:58 < corecode> need a ticket
2017-02-16T17:55:04 < aandrew> I ^c to stop, and as I'm typing 'enable 1' it aborts
2017-02-16T17:55:08 < karlp> nah, free to attend 
2017-02-16T17:55:14 < corecode> ah
2017-02-16T17:55:19 < dongs> free as in aids
2017-02-16T17:55:24 < karlp> nominally €25 but just about any stall holder can print you a voucher to go for free
2017-02-16T17:55:33 < karlp> conference part costs money
2017-02-16T17:55:38 < corecode> okay
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2017-02-16T18:00:47 < dongs> god damn
2017-02-16T18:00:51 < dongs> im so fucking sick of my tek powering up
2017-02-16T18:00:54 < dongs> in limit test mode
2017-02-16T18:01:00 < dongs> and ch1 at 100 or 300mV
2017-02-16T18:01:06 < dongs> regardless of what i left teh fucking thing in when i powered it off
2017-02-16T18:01:17 < dongs> i ahve to click like 10 things to turn limit test shit off
2017-02-16T18:06:28 < emeb> no way to save the power-on state?
2017-02-16T18:06:42 < emeb> or is the battery dead?
2017-02-16T18:07:11 < dongs> err, pretty sure battery is f ine
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2017-02-16T18:07:32 < dongs> plus its not ilke this is some old thing
2017-02-16T18:07:38 < dongs> its like 2015-ish model scope
2017-02-16T18:07:59 < emeb> weird
2017-02-16T18:08:13 < emeb> damn this R820 is a mysterious thing
2017-02-16T18:08:36 < emeb> crap data sheet
2017-02-16T18:08:40 < dongs> eh
2017-02-16T18:08:41 < dongs> wahts it not doing?
2017-02-16T18:08:49 < dongs> just ignore the ds and use lunix or rtlsdr tuning sores
2017-02-16T18:08:57 < dongs> what do youwanna do with it?
2017-02-16T18:09:03 < dongs> you really only need tune + set bandwidth
2017-02-16T18:09:35 < emeb> yeah - started with the airspy codes
2017-02-16T18:09:47 < emeb> did a bit of cleanup on it - lots of ugly in there
2017-02-16T18:10:14 < emeb> but threw in some of the init stuff from the linux driver too
2017-02-16T18:10:31 < emeb> seems most of the regs come up reset to 0x00
2017-02-16T18:10:38 < corecode> can you do a repeated start with the i2c peripheral on the f1?
2017-02-16T18:10:46 < dongs> sure
2017-02-16T18:10:46 < corecode> doesn't look like it
2017-02-16T18:10:48 < dongs> manually
2017-02-16T18:11:03 < corecode> you mean with bit banging the start condition?
2017-02-16T18:11:07 < dongs> no
2017-02-16T18:11:08 < dongs> lol
2017-02-16T18:11:11 < dongs> with peripheral.
2017-02-16T18:11:25 < corecode> but the docs say that it expects an address to follow after a start condition
2017-02-16T18:11:46 < dongs> it doesn't even HAVE a method to send *addresS*, you just send *any data*
2017-02-16T18:12:14 < dongs> i2c protocol expects an address after start, sure, but beyond that, you can send whatever.
2017-02-16T18:12:52 < corecode> yes, i know that
2017-02-16T18:13:05 < dongs> i certainly have peripheral F1 code doing repeat start and I dont remember having to do anything particuarly special about it
2017-02-16T18:13:12 < corecode> but the peripheral seems to decide whether to be in receive or send mode depending on the lsb of the address
2017-02-16T18:13:20 < dongs> .. no
2017-02-16T18:13:23 < corecode> could you share that code snippet?
2017-02-16T18:14:15 < dongs> did you look at I2C_Send7bitAddress
2017-02-16T18:14:27 < dongs> all it does is sets bit based on direction and writes the shit to -DR
2017-02-16T18:14:36 < corecode> yes
2017-02-16T18:15:04 < corecode> SR2_TRA
2017-02-16T18:16:52 < corecode> only talks about repeated start in the context of 10 bit addresses
2017-02-16T18:20:29 < corecode> aha
2017-02-16T18:20:43 < corecode> i think the master bit determines whether it is considered a repeated start
2017-02-16T18:21:37 < corecode> oh nm
2017-02-16T18:21:41 < corecode> derp
2017-02-16T18:21:49 < corecode> ofc i need to send the address again on repeated start
2017-02-16T18:22:15 < dongs> yeah i was wondering what you were stoning about but i was too busy with my own shit
2017-02-16T18:22:36 < dongs> start addr(W), subaddr, restart, addr(R), data..n
2017-02-16T18:22:39 < dongs> stop
2017-02-16T18:22:45 < corecode> yea
2017-02-16T18:23:41 < dongs> btw, like 99% of devices dont give a shit if you restart or stop
2017-02-16T18:23:56 < dongs> start addr(w), subaddr, stop, start, addr(r), read..n stop works just fine
2017-02-16T18:23:58 < karlp> except for those that _absolutely_ must be treated gently.
2017-02-16T18:24:02 < dongs> right
2017-02-16T18:24:06 < corecode> yea
2017-02-16T18:24:10 < karlp> fucking i2c
2017-02-16T18:24:11 < karlp> hatebus
2017-02-16T18:26:56 < emeb> it's awesome
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2017-02-16T18:35:14 < corecode> lol wut that peripheral
2017-02-16T18:37:20 < dongs> which watchdog do I use if I jsut wanna reboot if stuffi s stoned
2017-02-16T18:37:22 < dongs> IWDG?
2017-02-16T18:39:14 < corecode> that's what i wanted to do
2017-02-16T18:39:27 < corecode> there should be more i2c driver in libopencm3
2017-02-16T18:39:48 < karlp> iwdg is what I used for "stuff is stoned" eah
2017-02-16T18:40:04 < karlp> corecode: yeah, there should be better i2c stuff in locm3.
2017-02-16T18:40:19 < corecode> okay
2017-02-16T18:40:21 < karlp> someone's submitted some code to clean it up, needs to be tested out and merged. but I hate i2c so avoid it.
2017-02-16T18:40:56 < dongs> wow iwdg samplecode in stdperiph is retarded.
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2017-02-16T18:48:29 < dongs> refman says watchdog LSI is 40khz
2017-02-16T18:48:35 < dongs> sample code is calc;'ing 42000..
2017-02-16T18:51:05 < karlp> LSI is diff speeds on diff devices
2017-02-16T18:51:20 < dongs> refman says 40k,  for this chip.
2017-02-16T18:55:07 < karlp> heh, 4 combinations of ordering I can have with a 2x2 isolator for spi.  mosi/sck/miso.  none of them match the pins on stm32, mosi/miso/sck.
2017-02-16T18:55:15 < emeb> I used wwdg
2017-02-16T18:55:26 < emeb> just start up with proper regs
2017-02-16T18:55:35 < emeb> and reset the count in time
2017-02-16T18:55:39 < emeb> done
2017-02-16T18:55:43 < dongs> why is there 2 tho
2017-02-16T18:55:56 < karlp> wwdg is for things that should always take the same time, and you can set bounds on themn
2017-02-16T18:55:56 < emeb> wwdg is "window"
2017-02-16T18:56:08 < emeb> if you reset too fast or too slow
2017-02-16T18:56:11 < karlp> iwdg is the "this shit runs on it's own, just kick it sometime before it goes down"
2017-02-16T18:56:51 < dongs>     IWDG_SetPrescaler(IWDG_Prescaler_256); // 40kHz / 256 = 6.4ms/tick
2017-02-16T18:56:51 < dongs>     IWDG_SetReload(1250); // 8seconds / 6.4ms = 1250
2017-02-16T18:56:56 < dongs> does this make sense?
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2017-02-16T18:57:48 < karlp> fucks me, we just made libopencm3 take a time in ms.
2017-02-16T18:57:53 < dongs> haha
2017-02-16T18:58:02 < dongs> how do you know the LSI freq for each target then
2017-02-16T18:58:06 < dongs> do you go and calculate it
2017-02-16T18:58:07 < karlp> "close enough"
2017-02-16T18:58:09 < dongs> with TIm16 or someshit?
2017-02-16T18:58:09 < dongs> oh
2017-02-16T18:58:15 < karlp> 37k vs 40k doesn't matter
2017-02-16T18:58:24 < emeb> derate
2017-02-16T18:58:27 < karlp> lsi is plus/minus some huge amount anyway
2017-02-16T18:58:34 < dongs> rite
2017-02-16T18:58:39  * karlp can't remember specifics it's open sorse, go check for us ;)
2017-02-16T18:58:51 < dongs> now i gota disable the stuff in DBG
2017-02-16T18:59:25 < karlp> keil doesn't do that automatically?
2017-02-16T18:59:26 < dongs>  DBGMCU->APB1FZ |= DBGMCU_APB1_FZ_DBG_IWDG_STOP;
2017-02-16T18:59:30 < dongs> no, its a DBG thing
2017-02-16T18:59:32 < karlp> keil sucks, keil did wtc
2017-02-16T18:59:39 < karlp> openocd turns that bit on automatically when you attach
2017-02-16T18:59:44 < karlp> because you tend to want it.
2017-02-16T18:59:45 < dongs> lol, thats terrible
2017-02-16T18:59:55 < karlp> terrible both ways isn't it.
2017-02-16T19:00:01 < karlp> always going to be someone who hates it
2017-02-16T19:00:03 < dongs> nope, I 'd rather know IT HAPPENS
2017-02-16T19:00:12 < dongs> which means, it doenst happen unless I add the code.
2017-02-16T19:00:15 < karlp> do you want your timers to keep counting too?
2017-02-16T19:00:23 < karlp> you can make oocd not do it, it's just the default.
2017-02-16T19:00:25 < dongs> there has been times when I did, yes
2017-02-16T19:00:31 < karlp> sure, and you can choose both,
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2017-02-16T19:01:10 < dongs> i dunno man
2017-02-16T19:04:45 < dongs> cool
2017-02-16T19:04:48 < dongs> worked
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2017-02-16T19:44:51 < dongs> any copypasteable logfs-like thing I can use to log system events into SPI flash?
2017-02-16T19:45:24 < dongs> shit that would use say several pages in flash, erase them, then write timestamped junk in a way that it can be appended without re-erasing more pages
2017-02-16T19:47:07 < dongs> https://github.com/Pedroalbuquerque/FlashLogM/blob/master/FlashLogM.h
2017-02-16T19:47:12 < dongs> waht the shit fucking tarduino trash
2017-02-16T19:48:45 < corecode> do you have to reset peripherals via the RCC?
2017-02-16T19:48:54 < corecode> or do they come out of reset in good state
2017-02-16T19:48:55 < dongs> reset for what
2017-02-16T19:49:11 < corecode> i dunno, the libopencm3 examples often reset the peripherals
2017-02-16T19:49:46 < dongs> i never do
2017-02-16T19:49:50 < corecode> okay
2017-02-16T19:49:50 < dongs> i only turn on clocks
2017-02-16T19:51:00 < dongs> i generally have all my drivers turn on clocks to stuff the will be using
2017-02-16T19:51:01 < PaulFertser> Tectu: pong
2017-02-16T19:51:09 < dongs> so that means there could be several drivers enabling GPIOA for example
2017-02-16T19:51:18 < dongs> i  wouldn't want to reset that stuff in each one
2017-02-16T19:52:15 < dongs> Pedro Albuquerque
2017-02-16T19:53:17 < dongs> k i could probly cleanup that flashslog trash and adapt it to my use
2017-02-16T19:53:23 < dongs> unless there's something cleaner that exists
2017-02-16T19:53:41 < dongs> Tectu: this fucking code87 is making beeping/highpitched kinda noises from springs recoiling i think
2017-02-16T19:53:46 < dongs> definitely didnt happen on filco
2017-02-16T19:53:51 < dongs> i think this is cheap cloner shit you sold me
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2017-02-16T19:57:19 < dongs> attn Laurenceb / LeelooMinai https://i.imgur.com/5fh89rQ.png
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2017-02-16T20:19:14 < corecode> wait, in that adc, how do i know what channel the data is for?
2017-02-16T20:23:31 < Lux> you can just use the dma with the adc in circular mode
2017-02-16T20:24:08 < Lux> then the different adc channels will be stored in an array according to how you set it up
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2017-02-16T20:42:49 < Laurenceb_> wow what a ride
2017-02-16T20:51:02 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, you ever used sonarlint?  http://www.eclipse.org/community/eclipse_newsletter/2017/february/article3.php
2017-02-16T20:51:38 < Steffanx> I don't see C++ in the list, so probably not.
2017-02-16T20:51:47 < Steffanx> Also she would feed it images, not the actual code :P
2017-02-16T20:52:20 < upgrdman> Steffanx, it does cpp too, but leeloo does (or did) shitloads of java shitz
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2017-02-16T20:56:24 < Steffanx> oh, it doesnt show c++ in the desciption upgrdman
2017-02-16T20:56:31 < upgrdman> i know
2017-02-16T20:56:42 < upgrdman> but if you scroll down, they surprise us
2017-02-16T20:56:53 < upgrdman> i guess they want to keep us on our toes
2017-02-16T20:57:05 < Steffanx> Does it do C too?
2017-02-16T20:57:08 < upgrdman> GOTCHA BITCH /chapelle
2017-02-16T20:57:29 < upgrdman> i dunno, havent installed it. just saw it in the eclipse newsletter a few minutes ago
2017-02-16T20:57:56 < Steffanx> Achso
2017-02-16T20:58:25 < upgrdman> wtf does that mean
2017-02-16T20:58:41 < Steffanx> Ach, so.. germanish.
2017-02-16T20:59:07 < Steffanx> but do i understand it right that it needs this sonarqube server stuff?
2017-02-16T20:59:39 < upgrdman> seems optional
2017-02-16T20:59:58 < upgrdman> e.g. so a workplace can have a fixed set of lint rules / exceptions etc
2017-02-16T21:00:06 < upgrdman> s/fixed/shared
2017-02-16T21:01:41 < Steffanx> workspace?
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2017-02-16T21:43:55 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/gallery/pIGXo that is LeelooMinai-level :P
2017-02-16T21:59:56 < Steffanx> conference?
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2017-02-16T23:23:51 < Steffanx> Why you no longer stvn crt?
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2017-02-16T23:23:56 < Steffanx> Stvn had a real client iirc
2017-02-16T23:29:56 < Steffanx> Find yourself some tube to make new CRTs
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2017-02-17T00:14:02 < kakimir> I wonder what kind of scam ops is going on I get once - twice a week some murican chick writing me email with her photos 2-3 attached to it
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2017-02-17T00:15:08 < kakimir> appears laborous to have legit looking email addresses and not getting caught by gmail spam filtering
2017-02-17T00:16:19 < Steffanx> Just replyand keep them busy 
2017-02-17T00:16:58 < kakimir> I feel so lonely and bored that I might even
2017-02-17T00:17:17 < kakimir> probs Laurenceb_ is another side of the conversation
2017-02-17T00:17:19 < Steffanx> Hah
2017-02-17T00:17:34 < Muted_> Hi, I'm wondering why there is an HAL_UART_Transmit_DMA but not a HAL_CAN_Transmit_DMA. any idea? Thanks!
2017-02-17T00:17:36 < kakimir> just scammin for chats
2017-02-17T00:21:54 < kakimir> pnp darlington question - is there anyone to answer?
2017-02-17T00:22:17 < kakimir> anyone understand pnp darlingtons?
2017-02-17T00:22:42 < BrainDamage> understand that darlingtons are shit
2017-02-17T00:23:33 < kakimir> I need to someone - someone familiar with these
2017-02-17T00:23:43 < BrainDamage> you won't
2017-02-17T00:23:59 < BrainDamage> you're guaranteed by topology that the first bjt will be in saturation region
2017-02-17T00:24:02 < BrainDamage> not even in theory
2017-02-17T00:25:09 < Tectu_> how´s pumpin?
2017-02-17T00:25:34 < kakimir> I want to have higher voltage in base
2017-02-17T00:25:57 < kakimir> than in emiter
2017-02-17T00:26:07 < kakimir> data sheet wont tell
2017-02-17T00:26:22 < BrainDamage> nope, it works, just with lower gain
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2017-02-17T00:27:34 < kakimir> can I have higher voltage in base
2017-02-17T00:27:37 < kakimir> than in emiter
2017-02-17T00:27:43 < kakimir> is the question
2017-02-17T00:27:47 < kakimir> what happens
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2017-02-17T00:29:42 < BrainDamage> beakmir: draw it, it's pretty easy to see what it happens when you draw the tranistors explicitly ( and the junctions )
2017-02-17T00:30:34 < kakimir> I do not understand junction theory
2017-02-17T00:30:52 < kakimir> I just use the shittes
2017-02-17T00:32:29 < kakimir> I see p n p
2017-02-17T00:32:39 < kakimir> symmetrical pattern
2017-02-17T00:32:54 < kakimir> what makes emiter emiter and collector collector then?
2017-02-17T00:34:01 < BrainDamage> kakimir: that's actually a legi questioni had too, in principle they don't,in practice the physical sizes aren't
2017-02-17T00:35:13 < BrainDamage> the condition for saturation is having the CB diode with 0V across
2017-02-17T00:35:43 < BrainDamage> yes, but beta is not the beta of a standalone transistor
2017-02-17T00:35:48 < BrainDamage> it's beta in saturation
2017-02-17T00:36:27 < BrainDamage> https://www.twiddla.com/phxvpy
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2017-02-17T00:42:35 < kakimir> ok situation is that I have circuit where power might be turned off from darlington but base is still being driven via resistor
2017-02-17T00:43:03 < kakimir> and diode across to emiter to level emiter with base
2017-02-17T00:43:05 < kakimir> if needed
2017-02-17T00:43:11 < BrainDamage> can you draw it
2017-02-17T00:43:16 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-17T00:43:22 < kakimir> a sec
2017-02-17T00:57:55 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNUJWcTZnYW5wMkU/view?usp=sharing dones
2017-02-17T01:01:01 < BrainDamage> when you apply 12V it'll shut off the darlington
2017-02-17T01:01:10 < kakimir> to ctrl
2017-02-17T01:01:13 < kakimir> yes?
2017-02-17T01:01:17 < BrainDamage> yes
2017-02-17T01:01:20 < kakimir> I know
2017-02-17T01:01:28 < BrainDamage> it's like giving 0V base to a npn
2017-02-17T01:01:57 < kakimir> wait
2017-02-17T01:02:34 < kakimir> pnp darlington doesn't simplify into pnp transistor
2017-02-17T01:03:09 < BrainDamage> it sorta does
2017-02-17T01:03:09 < kakimir> I just figured I have never given it a thought
2017-02-17T01:03:42 < BrainDamage> it's the whole point why they are used
2017-02-17T01:03:43 < Tectu_> err.... maybe it´s because I am tired but why wouldn´t it?
2017-02-17T01:03:47 < kakimir> I just assume it's pnp with gain*gain
2017-02-17T01:03:51 < Tectu_> yep, what BrainDamage said.
2017-02-17T01:04:41 < kakimir> so
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2017-02-17T01:05:05 < kakimir> when I remove +12v supply but ctrl is still driving 0-12
2017-02-17T01:05:38 < kakimir> is it okay and do I need to have that diode there to level voltages?
2017-02-17T01:06:13 < BrainDamage> diode or not if you shut down the supply your control signal will end up in the supply
2017-02-17T01:06:23 < BrainDamage> trought the bjt internal diodes
2017-02-17T01:06:41 < kakimir> and also in the load?
2017-02-17T01:06:55 < kakimir> via R2
2017-02-17T01:06:55 < BrainDamage> not in the load
2017-02-17T01:06:59 < kakimir> oh
2017-02-17T01:07:01 < kakimir> good
2017-02-17T01:07:16 < kakimir> supply will be floating so doesn't matter
2017-02-17T01:07:35 < zyp> why are you messing around with bjts anyway?
2017-02-17T01:07:38 < kakimir> there is no failure mechanisms I would need to undestand here?
2017-02-17T01:07:55 < kakimir> zyp: I happen to have shitbags full of them
2017-02-17T01:08:07 < BrainDamage> is this the sma all over again?
2017-02-17T01:08:10 < zyp> haha
2017-02-17T01:08:27 < kakimir> I didnt pay anything
2017-02-17T01:09:12 < kakimir> friend had some rotating thing with small boxes full of legacy electronics in them
2017-02-17T01:09:21 < kakimir> rotating component shelf
2017-02-17T01:10:03 < kakimir> said get rid of them components and I threw them in bags like almost shoveled them in
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2017-02-17T01:10:53 < kakimir> bjt is okay to use in some +12v simple apparatus
2017-02-17T01:11:02 < kakimir> to drive coils and such
2017-02-17T01:11:18 < BrainDamage> it's not so much the voltage as the current
2017-02-17T01:11:22 < kakimir> because fets die easily
2017-02-17T01:11:42 < kakimir> need more care in driving circuits
2017-02-17T01:11:43 < BrainDamage> bjts have fixed saturation voltage, Vce is approx 0.5V for power transistors
2017-02-17T01:12:12 < kakimir> bjt needs like 2 resistors and done
2017-02-17T01:12:34 < BrainDamage> igbt behave the same, and there's actually abreak even point where RDSon*Ids = 0.5V
2017-02-17T01:12:41 < BrainDamage> wher mos start to los
2017-02-17T01:12:43 < BrainDamage> lose*
2017-02-17T01:13:03 < BrainDamage> the problem of bjt is that you need to give Ib, and beta of power transitors is shit
2017-02-17T01:13:12 < kakimir> I just
2017-02-17T01:13:17 < BrainDamage> don't even
2017-02-17T01:13:19 < kakimir> drive them simple coils
2017-02-17T01:13:35 < kakimir> them pull 200mA
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2017-02-17T01:13:43 < kakimir> my transistors are 6A constant
2017-02-17T01:15:45 < kakimir> how there is diode in pnp from base to emiter?
2017-02-17T01:15:56 < kakimir> but not base to collector?
2017-02-17T01:16:05 < BrainDamage> there's 2 diodes
2017-02-17T01:16:08 < BrainDamage> pn np
2017-02-17T01:16:14 < BrainDamage> it's literally in the name
2017-02-17T01:16:36 < BrainDamage> base emitter and base collector
2017-02-17T01:16:56 < BrainDamage> for linear operation you want base emitter on and base collector off
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2017-02-17T01:17:05 < kakimir> but for another base is cathode and for another base is anode?
2017-02-17T01:17:13 < BrainDamage> yes
2017-02-17T01:17:18 < kakimir> oh
2017-02-17T01:17:31 < kakimir> how do you know all this BrainDamage ?
2017-02-17T01:17:44 < kakimir> have you played with bjts?
2017-02-17T01:18:14 < BrainDamage> yes, but I also studied them
2017-02-17T01:18:24 < BrainDamage> bjts are not so obsolete in ic design
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2017-02-17T01:18:53 < BrainDamage> evenif the trend is still to push everything on a mos because they can reuse cheap shit digital processes
2017-02-17T01:19:22 < kakimir> darlingtons are totally obsolete?
2017-02-17T01:19:30 < BrainDamage> pretty much
2017-02-17T01:20:43 < kakimir> so obsolete I should not even use them in anything and actually throw them in trash=?
2017-02-17T01:21:34 < kakimir> I see they sell darlingtons to be played with tarduinos
2017-02-17T01:26:20 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdEFZb0VRZW1PYjA/view?usp=sharing fooling around
2017-02-17T01:26:58 < BrainDamage> be careful when paralleling bjt
2017-02-17T01:27:18 < kakimir> I should abandon that board because I had some smaller darlingtons too
2017-02-17T01:27:20 < BrainDamage> I don't know the exact english term, degeneration resistor
2017-02-17T01:27:34 < kakimir> I do not paraller them
2017-02-17T01:27:54 < BrainDamage> if you don't put a resistor to equalize current, the positive temp coefficient will make them literally chain assplode
2017-02-17T01:28:04 < BrainDamage> it's a pretty sight to see too
2017-02-17T01:28:18 < BrainDamage> I've done intentionally to see shit burn
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2017-02-17T01:35:59 < Thorn> is it possible to damage usb core by feeding it 48MHz clock = ~200MHz?
2017-02-17T01:38:21 < aandrew> Thorn: highly unlikely
2017-02-17T01:38:28 < aandrew> restore the correct clock rate and retry
2017-02-17T01:40:41 < Thorn> I'm trying to run my dwc_otg driver on the f746. it works fine on f407. I had PLLQ=2 instead of 9, no data transfers at all. after fixing it, I see one complete control transfer after reset and then only "setup packet" interrupts, no "setup complete"
2017-02-17T01:41:03 < Thorn> (the host retries several times and gives up enumeration)
2017-02-17T01:45:47 < Thorn> it's either different behavior of the newer dwc_otg in f7, misconfigured clock or cache or whatever, or something else
2017-02-17T01:46:32 < Thorn> I tried different cables, external PSU etc.
2017-02-17T01:50:24 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-02-17T01:52:07 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/O9FnLnQ.png
2017-02-17T01:57:29 < johntramp> hi i am having trouble trying to find what is causing a rare occurring dead-lock and iwdg reset.  is it possible to attach an ISR which i could use to do a stack trace before the system resets?
2017-02-17T01:58:31 < zyp> can't you get the watchdog to give you a warning interrupt before resetting?
2017-02-17T01:58:46 < zyp> I'm not sure if the iwdg is able to, but the wwdg should be
2017-02-17T01:58:55 < johntramp> that sounds like what I am after
2017-02-17T01:59:02 < Laurenceb_> I've used wwdg to solve that problem
2017-02-17T01:59:20 < Laurenceb_> also a timer thats reset at same time as iwdg
2017-02-17T01:59:43 < Laurenceb_> then ~100hz or whatever interrupt that checks the timer, or an expiry isr
2017-02-17T01:59:50 < Laurenceb_> theres lots of ways to do it
2017-02-17T02:00:04 < Laurenceb_> my error was a race condition in my usart handler btw
2017-02-17T02:00:10 < johntramp> yeah maybe that is easier
2017-02-17T02:00:18 < zyp> I checked the (f4) RM, IWDG can't do it, but WWDG can
2017-02-17T02:00:18 < Laurenceb_> and due to NVIC levels I missed it
2017-02-17T02:00:27 < Laurenceb_> so I spent ages wondering wtf was going on
2017-02-17T02:00:33 < johntramp> cool thanks zyp
2017-02-17T02:00:43 < zyp> but WWDG is clocked by the bus clock, so WWDG won't work in all sleep modes and stuff, I guess
2017-02-17T02:00:49 < zyp> if you have some of that stuff going on
2017-02-17T02:00:52 < Laurenceb_> before looking at NVIC settings and realising there was only one interrupt where the error could be hiding :P
2017-02-17T02:00:55 < zyp> that's why those two are distinct
2017-02-17T02:01:00 < zyp> they complement each other
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2017-02-17T02:02:36 < johntramp> is it the early wakeup interupt ?
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2017-02-17T02:47:06 < ReadError> attn ohsix 
2017-02-17T02:47:08 < ReadError> https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement
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2017-02-17T03:00:40 < Laurenceb_> hi crt
2017-02-17T03:00:47  * Laurenceb_ has been having a wild ride
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2017-02-17T03:01:55 < kakimir> I see some star/planet on the sky that is like way more bright than others
2017-02-17T03:02:12 < kakimir> the thing is it's not to north
2017-02-17T03:02:46  * Laurenceb_ went to funeral
2017-02-17T03:02:51 < kakimir> again
2017-02-17T03:03:01 < Laurenceb_> someone tried to sell me some spice
2017-02-17T03:03:08 < Laurenceb_> and cannabis resin
2017-02-17T03:05:23 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: venus
2017-02-17T03:06:26  * Laurenceb_ lurked in Stockport for too long
2017-02-17T03:08:01 < kakimir> are you sure Laurenceb_ ?
2017-02-17T03:08:10 < kakimir> it's like mad brigth
2017-02-17T03:09:16 < Laurenceb_> heavensabove.com
2017-02-17T03:09:26 < Laurenceb_> maybe R U S S I A N missile strike
2017-02-17T03:10:17 < kakimir> but it's every nigth there
2017-02-17T03:13:49 < kakimir> how about the spiral in the sky was that really a missile test?
2017-02-17T03:15:44  * Laurenceb_ went for a walk in the hills
2017-02-17T03:16:01 < Laurenceb_> discovered nice ~90mile line of sight into Wales
2017-02-17T03:16:18  * Laurenceb_ was considering making a free space optical comms system
2017-02-17T03:16:30 < kakimir> interesting idea
2017-02-17T03:16:31 < Laurenceb_> maybe using Rpi with 10M ethernet 
2017-02-17T03:16:46 < Laurenceb_> use LEDs and sensl
2017-02-17T03:16:58 < dongs> sup blogs
2017-02-17T03:17:06 < dongs> did anyone answer my logfs q
2017-02-17T03:17:23 < Laurenceb_> these bad boys http://sensl.com/products/
2017-02-17T03:18:09 < Laurenceb_> http://sensl.com/products/r-series/
2017-02-17T03:19:27 < kakimir> how many watt led you plan to use?
2017-02-17T03:19:32 < dongs> Laurenceb_: < dongs> attn Laurenceb / LeelooMinai https://i.imgur.com/5fh89rQ.pn
2017-02-17T03:19:40 < dongs> er, +g at end
2017-02-17T03:19:41 < kakimir> or laser
2017-02-17T03:20:09 < Laurenceb_> holy fucking tl;dr
2017-02-17T03:20:17 < Laurenceb_> most epin tl;dr of all tiem
2017-02-17T03:20:30 < Laurenceb_> lol @ cucked betas
2017-02-17T03:21:12 < Laurenceb_> ok back to stuff that matters
2017-02-17T03:21:13 < Laurenceb_> http://www.jensign.com/Discovery/LEDFrequencyResponse/
2017-02-17T03:21:19 < Laurenceb_> this looks too easy
2017-02-17T03:21:33 < dongs> wow a use for analog discovery
2017-02-17T03:21:35 < Laurenceb_> I can set free space comms record, but free space optical is still shit
2017-02-17T03:21:40 < dongs> i remembver someone in here was pimping it
2017-02-17T03:21:45 < dongs> maybe jadew
2017-02-17T03:21:57 < Laurenceb_> oh well guiness book of records and all that shit I guess
2017-02-17T03:22:14 < Laurenceb_> 10M ethernet phy should run straight over ethernet
2017-02-17T03:22:38 < Laurenceb_> erm wut
2017-02-17T03:22:44 < Laurenceb_> straight over optical
2017-02-17T03:23:00 < dongs> Laurenceb_: who are you autisming with
2017-02-17T03:23:44 < Laurenceb_> I was thinking of making a free space optical 10Mbps link using ethernet
2017-02-17T03:23:51 < Laurenceb_> like ronga but with pro kit
2017-02-17T03:24:11 < Laurenceb_> ir leds, filters, and sensl detectors 
2017-02-17T03:24:55 < dongs> but
2017-02-17T03:25:08 < dongs> thbe point of ronja is cheap fucks can duplicate it
2017-02-17T03:25:19 < dongs> the moment you involve "pro kit" you're entering "nobody on hackaday.com gives a fuck" category
2017-02-17T03:25:26 < Laurenceb_> yeah but record
2017-02-17T03:25:32 < dongs> oh ok
2017-02-17T03:25:33 < Laurenceb_> also sensl shit is cheapish
2017-02-17T03:25:35 < dongs> shrugging.
2017-02-17T03:26:08 < Laurenceb_> ~90mile free space optical 10Mbps link would be pretty cool
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2017-02-17T03:28:14 < Laurenceb_> yeah but did he pick your cotton?
2017-02-17T03:28:49 < dongs> Laurenceb_: better hope some crow doesnt fly into the beam
2017-02-17T03:28:55 < Laurenceb_> I saw a nigger walking past my house with a huge tv, for a moment I thought it might be mine, as they all look the same to me
2017-02-17T03:29:12 < Laurenceb_> but I got home and mine was still in it's cage, all ok :D
2017-02-17T03:30:49 < Laurenceb_> dongs: main reason free space optical comms fail is the noise floor is horrific during the day
2017-02-17T03:31:11 < Laurenceb_> google have patented free space optical backhaul for loon balloons...
2017-02-17T03:31:15 < BrainDamage> you're in fucking uk
2017-02-17T03:31:25 < BrainDamage> isn't it foggy 200 days a year?
2017-02-17T03:32:00 < Laurenceb_> heh good point
2017-02-17T03:32:24 < Laurenceb_> yeah literally only point would be show and tell/records  value
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2017-02-17T03:50:04 < dongs> god damn #arduino is fucking useless
2017-02-17T03:50:14 < dongs> i found an answer to my qustion before anyone even replied in there
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2017-02-17T04:12:10 < dongs> lroundf() instead of (int) y/n
2017-02-17T04:12:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cxnxy7F.jpg
2017-02-17T04:18:59 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ3NPmHGsg4 heh
2017-02-17T04:27:05 < dongs> ur flying
2017-02-17T04:27:08 < dongs> high as fuck
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2017-02-17T04:31:00 < dongs> CD player?
2017-02-17T04:34:07 < dongs> perfect plan
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2017-02-17T04:53:45 < dongs> you should get an overhead cam and do louis rossman DJ junk repair
2017-02-17T04:53:49 < dongs>  with eevbeg voiceover
2017-02-17T04:53:53 < dongs> then jsut open patreon and done
2017-02-17T04:54:10 < dongs> in a month you can just quit DJ job and talk shit on youtube
2017-02-17T04:54:19 < dongs> beg4lyfe
2017-02-17T04:57:38 < dongs> yes.
2017-02-17T04:58:10 < dongs> comment in arduino code im workin on // ***Before the Pumping Event
2017-02-17T04:58:28 < emeb_mac> dongs: got the R820 working - had to use the airspy init regs instead of the linux ones
2017-02-17T04:58:36 < dongs> aha, not too surprised
2017-02-17T04:58:42 < dongs> lunixfags probvably havent touched htem for years
2017-02-17T04:58:50 < emeb_mac> but all the other stuff works - freq setting & gains are fine
2017-02-17T04:58:55 < dongs> ya
2017-02-17T04:59:01 < dongs> excellent
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2017-02-17T04:59:19 < dongs> time to sdr it up
2017-02-17T04:59:26 < emeb_mac> true dat
2017-02-17T04:59:34 < dongs> can you stick that zero IF on a scope and run FFT and see just how prooo the bandwidth filters are
2017-02-17T04:59:59 < dongs> razor-sharp cut
2017-02-17T05:00:00 < emeb_mac> nah - ancient analog scope - no FFT
2017-02-17T05:00:05 < dongs> lol fail
2017-02-17T05:00:06 < emeb_mac> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bx0ovqixayu0837/0216171648a.jpg?dl=0
2017-02-17T05:00:24 < dongs> neat
2017-02-17T05:00:28 < dongs> but wait, single-ended IF?
2017-02-17T05:00:32 < dongs> what do you do run it through a balun or something?
2017-02-17T05:00:40 < emeb_mac> yep
2017-02-17T05:00:49 < emeb_mac> that's what the lump on the right side is
2017-02-17T05:01:09 < dongs> 28.8.. i dont recall it needing that freq
2017-02-17T05:01:11 < dongs> I just use 16m
2017-02-17T05:01:25 < emeb_mac> it's just a 1:1 with resistors on the driving side so it's an awful match
2017-02-17T05:01:26 < dongs> i think tnhe only reason 28.8 is used cuz they use that as clockout for RTL8139 shits
2017-02-17T05:01:28 < emeb_mac> but works
2017-02-17T05:01:41 < emeb_mac> yeah - 28.8 is dumb
2017-02-17T05:01:55 < emeb_mac> but doesn't matter - PLL doesn't care too much what the ref is
2017-02-17T05:02:00 < dongs> i know for a fact 16 works cuz thats wahts on all my boards
2017-02-17T05:02:02 < dongs> yeah it doesnt
2017-02-17T05:02:15 < emeb_mac> I can put anything there, or a TCXO on the pads under it
2017-02-17T05:03:31 < dongs> so wahts the next step
2017-02-17T05:03:36 < dongs> send it over to beagleboner?
2017-02-17T05:03:55 < emeb_mac> nah - not using BBB for this stuff
2017-02-17T05:04:08 < emeb_mac> stm32f427 + FPGA
2017-02-17T05:05:39 < emeb_mac> eventually will probably make a full-up board w/ everything on it
2017-02-17T05:06:02 < emeb_mac> frontend + ADC + FPGA + MCU
2017-02-17T05:10:53 < dongs> mhm
2017-02-17T05:24:50 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Arduino-USB-triggers-for-dslr/
2017-02-17T05:27:19 < dongs> Please apply with the word beginning with "3D SCAN". That is to ensure that you have read the proposal and not just apply blindly. Thank you again for reading.
2017-02-17T05:27:26 < dongs> wat if I reply wiht 3D SCAM instead
2017-02-17T05:30:28 < dongs> isnt there a fckin trigger socket on those higher end cams
2017-02-17T05:32:48 < dongs> eevbeg dave?
2017-02-17T05:32:52 < dongs> is he even married
2017-02-17T05:34:10 < Rob235_> https://www.eevblog.com/2017/02/09/eevblog-970-mailbag/
2017-02-17T05:34:35 < Rob235_> why is that what comes up when I looked him up
2017-02-17T05:35:20 < dongs> beause hes a faggot
2017-02-17T05:36:06 < Rob235_> I thought I knew who it was and I was right, I just wanted to verify :(
2017-02-17T05:36:55 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-17T05:37:02 < dongs> all triggers on those nikon shits are in the hotshoe
2017-02-17T05:37:15 < dongs> not a separate headphone jack like thing
2017-02-17T05:39:38 < dongs> op well back to coding
2017-02-17T05:40:14 < dongs> bookmarked pakiproj to see who ends up failing it
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2017-02-17T08:21:11 < ReadError> quiet blogging
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2017-02-17T09:01:24 < Steffanx> Awh
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2017-02-17T09:14:01 < upgrdman> fucking sony trolled me. making an ir receiver/transmitter thinggy. fucking sony shitz wont accept ir codes unless they are sent three times, with delay between the three times.
2017-02-17T09:14:45 < upgrdman> no delay, or delay too long, and it fucking ignores it
2017-02-17T09:14:53 < upgrdman> those cunts
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2017-02-17T10:10:06 < ohsix> poop
2017-02-17T10:10:08 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-17T10:10:25 < ohsix> how did i not detach
2017-02-17T10:11:12 < ReadError> https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement
2017-02-17T10:11:15 < ReadError> remember this ohsix 
2017-02-17T10:12:11 < ohsix> .sb end
2017-02-17T10:13:12 < ohsix> ReadError: wut
2017-02-17T10:16:45 < ohsix> ReadError: what are you having me look at
2017-02-17T10:21:03 < ReadError> back when the assange was dead shit
2017-02-17T10:21:11 < ReadError> they didnt update their canary 
2017-02-17T10:21:32 < ReadError> and it was going around that they had been breached 
2017-02-17T10:27:59 < upgrdman> so are they now thought of as unbreached?
2017-02-17T10:28:46 < ReadError> well they gave them info on the 2 accounts in question
2017-02-17T10:34:20 < ohsix> ReadError: oh, vaguely remember, but never cared much to look
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2017-02-17T10:58:29 < ohsix> heh
2017-02-17T10:58:38 < ohsix> eink terds have a 42 inch thing
2017-02-17T10:58:59 < PeterM> doesnt look *that* bad
2017-02-17T10:59:26 < ohsix> crt LOLOLOL MINISTRY OF SOUND CD
2017-02-17T10:59:52 < PeterM> looks pretty modular actually
2017-02-17T11:01:56 < dongs> nice shoes, faggot
2017-02-17T11:01:57 < dongs> its 5V
2017-02-17T11:02:58 < ohsix> http://vocalzoom.com/ lul
2017-02-17T11:04:59 < PeterM> nice ministry of sound faggot
2017-02-17T11:08:03 < Steffanx> Is faggot word of the day?
2017-02-17T11:08:27 < ohsix> this is how we peewee's playhouse
2017-02-17T11:09:33 < ohsix> only takes a few to make it socially acceptable
2017-02-17T11:10:33 < PeterM> why? are you some kind of faggot steffanie?
2017-02-17T11:10:52 < PeterM> nah just pulliung oyur leg m8
2017-02-17T11:11:23 < ohsix> dongs might escalate and tell you not to be a nagger
2017-02-17T11:11:50 < Steffanx> Only when you want to be my boyfried PeterM
2017-02-17T11:12:44 < PeterM> eyyyoooooooo
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2017-02-17T11:20:19 < PeterM> dont stick ya fingers in it
2017-02-17T11:20:45 < PeterM> why concerned,because the machine spews out emi, or what
2017-02-17T11:21:58 < ohsix> 'not my cd' is the new 'all lives matter'
2017-02-17T11:26:41 < ohsix> why is that weird, normally don't bother for a few percent better thermal?
2017-02-17T11:26:55 < ohsix> it is probably already overbuilt if it is worth money
2017-02-17T11:41:19 < PeterM> 3tbh <250vdc is slightly painful but nothing extreme
2017-02-17T11:44:35 < PeterM> czech fuses?
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2017-02-17T12:33:12 < PeterM> looks more like these buddyu http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NTF3055-100-D.PDF
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2017-02-17T12:39:01 < Steffanx> You should hire your aussie buddy crt.
2017-02-17T12:39:27 < Steffanx> Oh no, using pro IRC EE advise is cheaper.
2017-02-17T12:39:43 < Steffanx> Mr. P.M.
2017-02-17T12:40:31 < Steffanx> ..
2017-02-17T12:42:36 < PeterM> nah
2017-02-17T12:42:47 < PeterM> you assume they're insane if they know abouyt irc
2017-02-17T12:43:11 < Steffanx> Uhm, you tell me you dont talk like thisin real life?
2017-02-17T12:43:58 < PeterM> me or mr curtis
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2017-02-17T12:44:27 < Steffanx> Curtis.
2017-02-17T12:45:07 < PeterM> yeah, i call him curt/curtis because i expant crt rather than to cathode ray tube
2017-02-17T12:45:19 < PeterM> or stvn -> steven
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2017-02-17T12:49:14 < Steffanx> Dont all audio devices look likethat?
2017-02-17T12:49:18 < Steffanx> Audio.. 
2017-02-17T12:49:30 < Steffanx> Do you see rice paper often?
2017-02-17T12:50:27 < Steffanx> Damn dont they all need that?
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2017-02-17T13:02:36 < Steffanx> .
2017-02-17T13:02:47 < Steffanx> I wish you all the happiness and joy
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2017-02-17T13:31:52 < Tectu_> I am Tectu_
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2017-02-17T13:32:59 < zyp> the Tectu_ 
2017-02-17T13:33:17 < Tectu_> how is life, non-Tectu_ people?
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2017-02-17T13:34:55 < Tectu_> englishman around?
2017-02-17T13:50:25 < Steffanx> I am groot
2017-02-17T13:51:03 < karlp> how is this news? http://www.edn-europe.com/news/soic-packages-consumer-industrial-cmos-logic-ics?news_id=91498 were 74hc shits not available in soic before?
2017-02-17T13:51:27 < Steffanx> Time.is/canada .. Still time to sleep tectu_
2017-02-17T13:52:19 < BrainDamage> should be early morning
2017-02-17T13:52:33 < dongs> that news article looks like it belongs straight in 1997
2017-02-17T13:52:58 < dongs> karlp: no news yet i was too busy most of hte day to remember
2017-02-17T14:04:53 < Tectu_> he´d fit well into ##stm32
2017-02-17T14:18:39 < Steffanx> No we cannot.
2017-02-17T14:19:02 < Steffanx> Enough mad men
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2017-02-17T14:30:02 < corecode> oO what is going on with my debugger
2017-02-17T14:31:12 < Steffanx> Tolerated would be a better wors crg
2017-02-17T14:31:14 < Steffanx> Word
2017-02-17T14:31:25 < corecode> LeelooMinai: i need a debugger for everything
2017-02-17T14:31:27 < Steffanx> Crt*
2017-02-17T14:32:25 < corecode> the cmsis-dap that comes with the devboard
2017-02-17T14:32:35 < dongs> aids-dap
2017-02-17T14:33:08 < corecode> i don't like jlink a single bit
2017-02-17T14:33:26 < corecode> thanks for the suggestion
2017-02-17T14:33:38 < BrainDamage> black magic probe perhaps?
2017-02-17T14:33:44 < corecode> but i prefer cmsis-dap + openocd or + my own gdbserver
2017-02-17T14:33:54 < corecode> no, i have my own hardware and code i use
2017-02-17T14:33:59 < corecode> LeelooMinai: what?
2017-02-17T14:34:28 < corecode> so i hit the button and the program stops
2017-02-17T14:34:32 < corecode> odd
2017-02-17T14:35:14 < corecode> ah it must be an exception
2017-02-17T14:35:36 < corecode> jlink is closed source and i have had problems with their intelligent caching
2017-02-17T14:35:41 < corecode> trying flash and it doesn't work
2017-02-17T14:37:00 < corecode> yea i know that
2017-02-17T14:37:06 < corecode> i just don't like it
2017-02-17T14:37:21 < corecode> but this is super weird
2017-02-17T14:37:39 < corecode> i hit the button, the program stops, but all the registers are unchanged
2017-02-17T14:38:19 < corecode> but then if i do a single step, it doesn't stop
2017-02-17T14:41:22 < corecode> hum
2017-02-17T14:42:31 < dongs> your shit is fail then
2017-02-17T14:42:35 < dongs> i've never had issues with jlink
2017-02-17T14:46:04 < dongs> if I have pin as output, and I read IDR, does that indicate pins state
2017-02-17T14:48:31 < corecode> i'd expect that
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2017-02-17T14:50:59 < dongs> ah yeah it does
2017-02-17T14:51:01 < dongs> i can watch it in KEIL
2017-02-17T14:57:04 < corecode> i really don't get it
2017-02-17T14:57:17 < corecode> i push the WKUP pin, and the debugger breaks
2017-02-17T15:04:17 < corecode> ok, #1 weirdness
2017-02-17T15:04:56 < corecode> rising edge on PA0 = debugger activity, but the core is actually running
2017-02-17T15:04:59 < corecode> oO
2017-02-17T15:05:06 < corecode> more detail, openocd!
2017-02-17T15:05:28 < karlp> "debugger activity" ?
2017-02-17T15:05:46 < karlp> are you sure that debugg is enabled in low power modes for your target?
2017-02-17T15:05:48 < corecode> gdb propt reappears, and openocd prints stuff
2017-02-17T15:05:57 < corecode> nono, this is in normal run mode
2017-02-17T15:28:47 < dongs>  < corecode> more detail, openocd!
2017-02-17T15:28:49 < dongs> found your problem
2017-02-17T15:30:39 < dongs> wait why the fuck are you using jlink with openocd?
2017-02-17T15:30:44 < dongs> thats your problem right there
2017-02-17T15:30:54 < dongs> use native driver and jlinkgdbserver
2017-02-17T15:34:37 < Steffanx> Iirc he said he doesnt use jlink.
2017-02-17T15:36:38 < corecode> i am not using jlink
2017-02-17T15:36:40 < corecode> well
2017-02-17T15:36:48 < corecode> i used my own code
2017-02-17T15:36:53 < corecode> and some scoping
2017-02-17T15:37:13 < corecode> the swd line goes incommunicado after me pushing the button
2017-02-17T15:37:21 < corecode> i.e. rising edge on PA0
2017-02-17T15:37:39 < corecode> wtf yo
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2017-02-17T15:47:51 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lynzQ_MGho
2017-02-17T15:52:44 < jadew> looks interesting, but toyish
2017-02-17T15:53:48 < jadew> it may be, but it looks it's made out of legos
2017-02-17T15:54:52 < jadew> yeah, doesn't seem bad, but I wouldn't use it for a product
2017-02-17T15:56:23 < jadew> I agree, but a customer won't see it that way
2017-02-17T15:57:23 < jadew> they'll think whoever made it wasn't able or was too cheap to make a proper enclosure
2017-02-17T15:57:59 < dongs> jadew: haha, that "girl" is another LeelooMinai aka M2F
2017-02-17T15:59:08 < corecode> dongs: what do you care?
2017-02-17T15:59:58 < dongs> i most certainly do not
2017-02-17T16:00:10 < corecode> why do you talk about other people's genitals then?
2017-02-17T16:00:14 < jadew> dongs, I didn't notice her, I was just looking at the stove
2017-02-17T16:01:52 < dongs> is there something special about that stove?
2017-02-17T16:02:53 < jadew> I don't know, I couldn't follow
2017-02-17T16:04:50 < karlp> ReadError: where else do these come from? https://www.amazon.com/Soldering-Rework-Station-Solder-Display/dp/B010N0U2OU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487339861&sr=8-1&keywords=yihua
2017-02-17T16:05:01 < karlp> they're only so cheap on amazon, and only shipping to the us?
2017-02-17T16:05:06 < corecode> jadew: i have trouble fitting my brain around industrial design
2017-02-17T16:05:13 < ReadError> karlp: aliexpress maybe
2017-02-17T16:05:13 < karlp> I can't find anyone selling anywhere near that cheap anywhere else
2017-02-17T16:05:23 < karlp> ali is all $120+
2017-02-17T16:05:29 < corecode> karlp: no, they're even cheaper on ebay or ali
2017-02-17T16:05:38 < corecode> i wouldn't get a combined station tho
2017-02-17T16:05:52 < jadew> corecode, yeah, after seeing those pictures it kinda looks like an ok enclosure for where it's going to be mounted
2017-02-17T16:05:58 < karlp> I'm not really looking for a combined station,
2017-02-17T16:06:02 < corecode> i mean, the just hot air stations are cheap
2017-02-17T16:06:05 < karlp> just tryign to find the number on a cheap just hot air
2017-02-17T16:06:32 < jadew> karlp, search for hot air station on ali or ebay
2017-02-17T16:06:37 < jadew> there are plenty
2017-02-17T16:07:09 < jadew> I have combined one, but with the pump inside the station, which makes the handle thinner
2017-02-17T16:07:26 < karlp> what's the part numbuer on the hot air only ones?
2017-02-17T16:07:38 < corecode> http://www.ebay.de/itm/GAOYUE-858-110V-50Hz-400W-SMD-Rework-Electric-Soldering-Station-Hot-Air-Gun-Kit-/131747147746?hash=item1eacbdefe2:g:edwAAOSwHQ9WbiHK
2017-02-17T16:07:48 < karlp> ok, the expensive ones were the fancy UI ones.
2017-02-17T16:07:56 < karlp> yeah, don't want 110v american ones.
2017-02-17T16:07:58 < dongs> >gayoue, haha
2017-02-17T16:08:03 < corecode> they used to be cheaper
2017-02-17T16:08:16 < corecode> interesting.
2017-02-17T16:08:36 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I thought the only advantage is that they're cheaper
2017-02-17T16:08:47 < dongs> and gayer?
2017-02-17T16:08:57 < jadew> *gaoyer
2017-02-17T16:08:58 < corecode> http://www.ebay.de/itm/WEP-858D-AC220V-Hot-Air-Gun-Rework-Station-BGA-Solder-Soldering-Reballing-/281502885248?hash=item418ae12580:g:bwIAAOSwIBBUbKYj
2017-02-17T16:10:13 < jadew> what's this for? http://www.ebay.de/itm/90-90-New-BGA-Reball-Reballing-Stencil-Repair-Base-Welder-Station-Kits-A9-3/400759822442
2017-02-17T16:11:11 < BrainDamage> jadew: you hold a metallic mask over the chip to align the balls
2017-02-17T16:11:30 < corecode> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SAIKE858D-hot-air-gun-significant-number-of-free-desoldering-station/32337911761.html
2017-02-17T16:11:31 < jadew> BrainDamage, ah, so it's for applying new balls?
2017-02-17T16:11:47 < BrainDamage> yes
2017-02-17T16:11:54 < corecode> fancy
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2017-02-17T16:13:53 < jadew> but if you melt them, why can't you use regular solder paste?
2017-02-17T16:14:09 < BrainDamage> you don't melt them completely
2017-02-17T16:14:14 < BrainDamage> just enough to adhere
2017-02-17T16:14:18 < jadew> ah, I see
2017-02-17T16:14:38 < jadew> good info, thanks
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2017-02-17T16:42:42 < corecode> i found the problem
2017-02-17T16:43:06 < dongs> do tell
2017-02-17T16:54:06 < corecode> devboard poor power supply design
2017-02-17T16:55:25 < dongs> would never happen if you were using quality wavesahre stuff
2017-02-17T16:58:55 < corecode> i guess
2017-02-17T16:59:07 < corecode> but i need to use this chip, so, though luck
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2017-02-17T17:04:55 < dongs> so this evening iw as remotely debugging a dickstarter proj
2017-02-17T17:05:25 < dongs> then the dude is yelling like SHITS ON FIRE
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2017-02-17T17:12:29 < Steffanx> .. End of story?
2017-02-17T17:12:45 < dongs> yes
2017-02-17T17:13:06 < dongs> he was bitching about some relay clicking
2017-02-17T17:13:22 < dongs> i was like which one? (clicks GPIOE->ODR9)
2017-02-17T17:13:30 < dongs> then few seconds later shit smoked
2017-02-17T17:14:08 < corecode> how come i don't get an exti interrupt?
2017-02-17T17:14:11 < corecode> not even a pending thing
2017-02-17T17:14:13 < corecode> what's going on
2017-02-17T17:14:17 < dongs> syscfg on?
2017-02-17T17:14:23 < corecode> oh now?
2017-02-17T17:14:25 < corecode> -_-
2017-02-17T17:14:25 < dongs> did you configure pin as input and setup extilinecfg?
2017-02-17T17:14:29 < corecode> i did
2017-02-17T17:14:41 < corecode>  weird, now it works
2017-02-17T17:15:41 < dongs> this dickstarterproj has exti that triggers 10k/10 seconds
2017-02-17T17:15:41 < dongs> ugh
2017-02-17T17:16:00 < karlp> 1khz isn't very much surely?
2017-02-17T17:16:00 < corecode> oh, systick aint running
2017-02-17T17:16:13 < dongs> karlp: sure it is when it could jsut be a timer
2017-02-17T17:20:05 < karlp> on a four pin crystal package, do the other pins reallllly need to be grounded or are they just NC?
2017-02-17T17:20:27 < dongs> depensd on manufacturer
2017-02-17T17:20:36 < dongs> some nc some want it gnd some want it vcc (for no reason)
2017-02-17T17:20:40 < dongs> but yeah not really
2017-02-17T17:22:40 < karlp> "please connect to ground"
2017-02-17T17:23:23 < dongs> just liek i've seen audiophile quality stuff run a piece of solid copper from top can of HC49 to a gnd pad nearby
2017-02-17T17:24:12 < karlp> audio joy
2017-02-17T17:32:59 < dongs> classy. isis bombs some muslim place in pakistan
2017-02-17T17:33:07 < dongs> pakis turn around and execute 40+ "suspects" who may or may not be innocent
2017-02-17T17:33:17 < corecode> under which condition will the i2c peripheral set the acknowledge error flag?
2017-02-17T17:33:43 < dongs> corecode: there's a bit of difference between GD and STM one
2017-02-17T17:33:50 < dongs> you might want to actually take a closer look at GD refman
2017-02-17T17:33:51 < corecode> ah, interesting
2017-02-17T17:33:59 < corecode> yea i'm using that
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2017-02-17T17:38:45 < Laurenceb_> spotted dongs
2017-02-17T17:40:08 < dongs> thats goota be old as FUCK
2017-02-17T17:40:11 < dongs> windows xp really?
2017-02-17T17:43:23 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbQwhyp5qQ8&index=1&list=PLAx7VxJLI6qnoPR1ZjnR2Qa1c-byh6vJE
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2017-02-17T19:31:14 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/t3mPBAb.gifv
2017-02-17T19:33:06 < zyp> nice flying
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2017-02-17T19:44:03 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/63KOz what happens when you have AC in ur PWM
2017-02-17T19:48:27 < zyp> wat
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2017-02-17T19:50:51 < zyp> dongs, obtw, what was that you said about the pcb the other day, did you fit it on a panel?
2017-02-17T19:51:15 < dongs> i think so, i passed it to the fag in charge, didn't ask if it happened
2017-02-17T19:51:31 < zyp> ah, ok
2017-02-17T19:51:36 < zyp> how about the ffc breakout?
2017-02-17T19:51:44 < dongs> both went in, if they did
2017-02-17T19:51:47 < zyp> ok, cool
2017-02-17T19:52:11 < zyp> do you know if arcin batch has a ETA yet?
2017-02-17T19:55:58 < dongs> gathering parts
2017-02-17T19:56:06 < dongs> probly next week
2017-02-17T19:56:39 < zyp> ok, cool
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2017-02-17T20:04:10 < emeb> dongs: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/r820t2_breakout/index.html
2017-02-17T20:04:24 < emeb> with docs, sources, etc.
2017-02-17T20:05:23 < zyp> nice
2017-02-17T20:05:37 < dongs> is that kikecad
2017-02-17T20:06:14 < zyp> asking all the important questions
2017-02-17T20:06:48 < emeb> yes, kicad
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2017-02-17T20:08:04 < Laurenceb_> no answers :( https://www.reddit.com/r/NEET/comments/2amfgn/how_do_i_earn_them_autism_bux/?st=iza4ono2&sh=81a8cde7
2017-02-17T20:10:27 < Steffanx>  try /topic Laurenceb_
2017-02-17T20:10:40 < dongs> Laurenceb_: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-02-17T20:11:42 < dongs> emeb, how can you handle kikecad. doesn't it make you rage with every click
2017-02-17T20:11:55 < emeb> dongs: nah - it's fine.
2017-02-17T20:12:08 < corecode> hum, why doesn't this adc finish calibrating?
2017-02-17T20:12:21 < emeb> dongs: don't forget - I've been using gEDA/PCB for years - my scar tissue is thick. :)
2017-02-17T20:12:31 < Steffanx> coder/decoder LeelooMinai, not compress/decompress
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2017-02-17T20:15:09 < Steffanx> self-trolled
2017-02-17T20:22:21 < zyp> LeelooMinai, one of my friends received some shit today that was sent 7th nov
2017-02-17T20:22:53 < zyp> china to norway
2017-02-17T20:23:03 < corecode> !!! ADCSEL
2017-02-17T20:23:23 < zyp> https://sporing.posten.no/sporing.html?q=rs315483838cn&lang=en <- it's not like tracking is very useful
2017-02-17T20:24:19 < zyp> yes, but check the details in that link
2017-02-17T20:24:53 < zyp> sure it's trackable, but there's still no tracking history for over three months in the middle there :)
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2017-02-17T20:27:24 < dongs> https://hackaday.io/project/19035-zerophone-a-raspberry-pi-smartphone/log/51839-project-description-and-frequently-asked-questions i'll just leave this here
2017-02-17T20:31:00 < upgrdman> TIL there's still a market for dumbphones
2017-02-17T20:31:31 < upgrdman> shit even the homeless people is america have smartphones with voice+msg+data plans
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2017-02-17T20:35:31 < corecode> now why is the adc clock 8mhz, and not 12?
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2017-02-17T20:38:08 < jpa-> zyp: we got a christmas card yesterday, from finland to finland :P
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2017-02-17T20:38:57 < zyp> :)
2017-02-17T20:39:16 < jpa-> hm, ircing on my wife's macbook.. what a weird keyboard layout
2017-02-17T20:39:37 < jpa-> but atleast it has ssh preinstalled unlike windows
2017-02-17T20:39:37 < upgrdman> does it have one of those gay backwards "L" enter keys
2017-02-17T20:39:56 < Steffanx> What's weird jpa-?
2017-02-17T20:40:07 < jpa-> yeah but that part seems normal to me
2017-02-17T20:40:30 < jpa-> having to press cmd-c instead of ctrl-c and i can never find those curly versions of ()
2017-02-17T20:40:47 < Steffanx> What kind of weird layout do you have then?
2017-02-17T20:41:09 < jpa-> i'm used to just normal pc laptop fi layout
2017-02-17T20:41:11 < Steffanx> My us-international kb is pretty standard, except for the cmd/ctrl ofcourse
2017-02-17T20:41:32 < zyp> jpa-, it's unusual in the beginning, but you get used to it
2017-02-17T20:41:56 < jpa-> zyp: yeah
2017-02-17T20:42:07 < zyp> (), [] and {} are all on 8/9
2017-02-17T20:42:11 < jpa-> even pc laptops vary in this fn vs. ctrl placement and it is very annoying at first
2017-02-17T20:42:13 < zyp> with different combinations of alt and shift
2017-02-17T20:42:18 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-17T20:42:22 < jpa-> ah, alt-shift-8/9 yeah
2017-02-17T20:42:43 < Steffanx> lol, ^ not an issue at all with us-international :P
2017-02-17T20:42:55 < jpa-> but äöå becomes an issue
2017-02-17T20:43:00 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-17T20:43:02 < zyp> æøå
2017-02-17T20:43:05 < zyp> for me :)
2017-02-17T20:43:23 < zyp> ä and ö are easy enough by composing with ¨
2017-02-17T20:43:35 < Steffanx> indeed
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2017-02-17T20:43:46 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I have my keyboard configured for japanese too
2017-02-17T20:43:46 < jpa-> man algrid vet när man måste språka skandinaviska
2017-02-17T20:44:13 < zyp> LeelooMinai, so I can write japanese of course
2017-02-17T20:44:37 < jpa-> hmm, any guesses whether numpy will happily work with 1.5 million x 400 matrices?
2017-02-17T20:44:48 < jpa-> specifically, i want to run principal component analysis on it
2017-02-17T20:44:53 < zyp> no, I started learning japanese a long time before I met him :)
2017-02-17T20:45:19 < Steffanx> he has dongs there :P
2017-02-17T20:45:27 < BrainDamage> do you use "alternative layouts" or do use an ime?
2017-02-17T20:45:36 < zyp> ime
2017-02-17T20:46:03 < zyp> you kinda need an ime anyway to do kanji, and learning a kana layout just seems like hassle
2017-02-17T20:46:47 < BrainDamage> yeah, I ended up using an ime even for my native language, because the keyboard map is just too stupid to use with any computing language
2017-02-17T20:47:00 < BrainDamage> eg { is altgr shift è with italian layout
2017-02-17T20:47:06 < zyp> I bought a laptop in japanese once though, that one had kana on the keys
2017-02-17T20:47:16 < zyp> s/japanese/japan/
2017-02-17T20:47:49 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yeah, that's pretty reasonable actually
2017-02-17T20:48:48 < zyp> depending on what you'd use it for, for instance
2017-02-17T20:49:03 < zyp> I've been to japan eight times so far, knowing the language is pretty convenient
2017-02-17T20:49:07 < zyp> I've yet to go to china
2017-02-17T20:49:46 < zyp> one actually
2017-02-17T20:50:24 < Steffanx> You sound very judgemental LeelooMinai.
2017-02-17T20:50:54 < Steffanx> zyp going to japan quite a few time.
2017-02-17T20:51:01 < zyp> because I like travelling, and japan is a pretty nice country to travel in
2017-02-17T20:51:16 < corecode> i hear it is expensive
2017-02-17T20:51:21 < Steffanx> 0
2017-02-17T20:51:25 < zyp> corecode, yes, it is
2017-02-17T20:51:28 < zyp> but I live in norway
2017-02-17T20:51:36 < zyp> so from my perspective, it's cheaper :)
2017-02-17T20:52:09 < zyp> my rule of thumb is that the price of a meal in jp is around half of what it would be for something comparable in norway
2017-02-17T20:52:35 < zyp> I said comparable
2017-02-17T20:52:37 < corecode> so gd32 caveat: you need to select the adc clock source
2017-02-17T20:53:32 < zyp> haha
2017-02-17T20:55:31 < zyp> norwegian people aren't stereotypically fat :)
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2017-02-17T20:59:15 < zyp> that's one of the things I like about japan
2017-02-17T20:59:24 < zyp> there's good cheap healthy food everywhere
2017-02-17T21:00:43 < zyp> sure, but not just fish
2017-02-17T21:07:14 < BrainDamage> what I don't understand is places where processed food is significantly cheaper than raw
2017-02-17T21:07:43 < BrainDamage> ok that processed spoils slower, but it means that nobody cooks for itself to drive the demand
2017-02-17T21:07:59 < BrainDamage> it's actualy food - filler
2017-02-17T21:09:00 < BrainDamage> yeah, there's good alternatives everywhere and people are pretty snob here about food quality and origin
2017-02-17T21:09:20 < BrainDamage> my statement was a general one, not specific to here
2017-02-17T21:10:45 < emeb> Steffanx: isn't the equivalent for compressor/expander compander?
2017-02-17T21:10:51 < emeb> :)
2017-02-17T21:12:47 < BrainDamage> also limiter
2017-02-17T21:13:00 < BrainDamage> also agc
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2017-02-17T21:26:13 < Steffanx> i wouldnt know emeb
2017-02-17T22:19:36 < corecode> periodic wakeup from standby - use rtc or iwdg?
2017-02-17T22:20:49 < emeb> iwdg resets the processor so that means your reset routine needs to figure out who generated the reset I guess.
2017-02-17T22:21:28 < emeb> could cause some issues if it blows away the processor state.
2017-02-17T22:22:28 < emeb> yeah - RTC or timer seems like it might be a better choice.
2017-02-17T22:28:41 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used DMLS for prototyping?
2017-02-17T22:30:07 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-02-17T22:30:15  * Laurenceb_ is trying to find prices
2017-02-17T22:30:26 < Laurenceb_> megabux, kilobux or bux
2017-02-17T22:30:40 < Lux> https://www.shapeways.com/
2017-02-17T22:31:00 < BrainDamage> is this the rockoon nozzle?
2017-02-17T22:31:02 < Lux> Lux: just upload your design and there you go
2017-02-17T22:31:22 < Lux> Laurenceb_: ^
2017-02-17T22:33:20 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: yeah
2017-02-17T22:33:29 < Laurenceb_> Lux: ok I'll give it a go
2017-02-17T22:33:40 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: yeah it failed :-/
2017-02-17T22:33:48 < Laurenceb_> https://imagebin.ca/v/3CjOIcSSZpWY
2017-02-17T22:33:56 < BrainDamage> are you using a standard de laval or something more fancylike an aerospike?
2017-02-17T22:34:32 < BrainDamage> nice meltdown
2017-02-17T22:34:33 < Laurenceb_> well its kind of a de laval to aerospike converter
2017-02-17T22:34:55 < Laurenceb_> I think it was more of a sublimation
2017-02-17T22:35:05 < Laurenceb_> https://imagebin.ca/v/3Cj9Dq2xfNgV
2017-02-17T22:35:07 < Laurenceb_> epic fail
2017-02-17T22:35:48 < Laurenceb_> https://imagebin.ca/v/3CioxmkTkTi9
2017-02-17T22:35:58 < Laurenceb_> pre launch
2017-02-17T22:37:02 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: the nylon part clips onto the bottom and twists the exhaust to spin the rocket
2017-02-17T22:37:32 < Laurenceb_> Rockoons
2017-02-17T22:38:15 < BrainDamage> in order to achieve max thrust in a rocket you have to essentially impedance match the rocket engine to the surrounding, but as the rocket climbs the external presure changes
2017-02-17T22:38:31 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: sure
2017-02-17T22:38:33 < BrainDamage> so nozzles have specific shapes to adapt the expansion at various altitudes
2017-02-17T22:38:40 < BrainDamage> I was explaining leloo
2017-02-17T22:38:44 < Laurenceb_> cool
2017-02-17T22:38:59 < BrainDamage> isn't yours a fast burn tought?
2017-02-17T22:39:04 < Laurenceb_> it got to about 25hz, thats a _bit_ slow
2017-02-17T22:39:07 < BrainDamage> like iirc 5-10s isp
2017-02-17T22:39:19 < Laurenceb_> it burns for 6.5 seconds
2017-02-17T22:39:24 < Laurenceb_> ISP is about 140s
2017-02-17T22:39:48 < BrainDamage> no, the geometry of the nozzle is ixed, but the gemetry of th exaust isn't
2017-02-17T22:40:49 < Lux> Laurenceb_: is that nylon at the exhaust ? how do you expect that not to melt ?
2017-02-17T22:40:50 < BrainDamage> external pressure
2017-02-17T22:41:11 < Laurenceb_> Lux: it has to last only a few hundred milliseconds
2017-02-17T22:41:32 < Laurenceb_> if you model the heat conduction it should work ok
2017-02-17T22:41:38 < Lux> bad idea
2017-02-17T22:41:41 < Laurenceb_> but turns out it sublimes repidly
2017-02-17T22:41:43 < Lux> teflon gets very toxic
2017-02-17T22:41:52 < Laurenceb_> teflon is little better
2017-02-17T22:42:03 < Laurenceb_> I need metal as it can conduct the heat away
2017-02-17T22:42:11 < Lux> nerve gas rocket incoming :P
2017-02-17T22:42:17 < BrainDamage> he doesn'tcare about toxicity since it fires at 30km altitutude
2017-02-17T22:42:27 < BrainDamage> dilution will avoid gassing people
2017-02-17T22:42:41 < Lux> i thought that was tested on the ground
2017-02-17T22:42:44 < Laurenceb_> yeah, but telfon will be hardly better than nylon
2017-02-17T22:43:16 < Lux> https://www.shapeways.com/materials/aluminum
2017-02-17T22:43:28 < Lux> that stuff should work and is pretty affordable
2017-02-17T22:43:29 < Laurenceb_> Lux: I'd probably try inconel
2017-02-17T22:43:41 < Laurenceb_> but yeah maybe Alu...
2017-02-17T22:43:59 < Laurenceb_> exhaust is at about 2000C, so inconel easily melts
2017-02-17T22:44:01 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb so the fins redirect part of the exaust to give the initial rocket spin?
2017-02-17T22:44:09 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: yes
2017-02-17T22:44:28 < Laurenceb_> Lux: so maybe I should just optimise for heat conductivity
2017-02-17T22:45:02 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: it has to get up to >400hz spin rate
2017-02-17T22:45:03 < BrainDamage> how reliable is it? it sounds that if there's some asymetries you'll get plenty of higher order wobbling
2017-02-17T22:45:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats what I thought, turns out its self centering
2017-02-17T22:45:22 < Laurenceb_> its kind of cool
2017-02-17T22:45:25 < Lux> hmm aluminium will melt easily at 2000°C, but maybe it'll keep for that short period
2017-02-17T22:45:58 < Laurenceb_> Lux: yeah, Chinese Type 63 uses cast steel
2017-02-17T22:46:12 < Laurenceb_> thats the MRLS design I've cloned
2017-02-17T22:46:51 < Laurenceb_> http://weaponsystems.net/image/s-overview/c-665-300/n-T107/--/img/ws/ar_mrl_type63_o1.jpg
2017-02-17T22:48:05 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: you want the rocket to spin about the eigenvector axis of its inertia tensor with the lowest eigenvalue
2017-02-17T22:48:11 < corecode> hm, this rtc doesn't have a wakeup counter
2017-02-17T22:48:32 < Laurenceb_> adding some twist to the exhaust does that quite nicely, no need for anything too complex
2017-02-17T22:49:50 < Lux> maybe wood will work if you are able to machine it
2017-02-17T22:50:07 < BrainDamage> ah right, iirc from the tennis racket theorem it's only the 2nd that is unstable
2017-02-17T22:50:12 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-02-17T22:50:17 < Laurenceb_> 1st or third works
2017-02-17T22:56:15 < sync_> Laurenceb_: why not aluminium nitride or graphite?
2017-02-17T22:56:36 < Laurenceb_> sync_: I need something that easy and cheap to manufacture
2017-02-17T22:56:50 < BrainDamage> graphite can be milled easily
2017-02-17T22:57:32 < Laurenceb_> the geometry is fairly complex
2017-02-17T23:01:33 < sync_> yeah graphite is cheap and easy to machine
2017-02-17T23:07:03 < Laurenceb_> this was a very nice proof of concept test 
2017-02-17T23:07:05 < Laurenceb_> https://ibin.co/3CkApmDxZdM6.gif
2017-02-17T23:13:04 < Laurenceb_> or here https://gfycat.com/ScaredPartialDobermanpinscher
2017-02-17T23:19:36 < Laurenceb_> rocket motor with a clip on secondary motor to spin it, it spins nicely around the long axis
2017-02-17T23:41:47 < Thorn> lol nvic. try dwc_otg
2017-02-17T23:43:23 < Thorn> speaking of which, I still can't get F7 to work but I found a way to make F4 fail (if that can be considered an improvement)
2017-02-17T23:44:51 < Thorn> (fail in seemingly the same way as F7)
2017-02-17T23:48:47 < zyp> Thorn, what's the problem?
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2017-02-17T23:53:26 < Thorn> I assumed that every "setup packet received" (RRXFLVL interrupt) would be followed by a "setup complete" but F7 apparently doesn't think so
2017-02-17T23:54:30 < Thorn> now I'm trying to do what the docs say and use OUT interrupts that are generated by reading setup/out complete words from the fifo, but now IN endpoint doesn't work
2017-02-17T23:56:42 < Thorn> on both F4 and F7
2017-02-17T23:56:53 < Thorn> (both ST and unicore-mx use OUT interrupts)
2017-02-17T23:57:52 < upgrdman> in altidongs, whats the difference between a internal signal layer and a internal plane layer
2017-02-17T23:58:04 < upgrdman> i mean i know the diff, but why does altidong care / do different?
2017-02-17T23:59:49 < Thorn> so I can't even send a ZLP
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2017-02-18T00:19:16 < corecode> okay what am i doing wrong - i can't write to rtc registers
2017-02-18T00:19:31 < corecode> i do unlock them
2017-02-18T00:19:38 < corecode> again it feels like no clock
2017-02-18T00:19:58 < corecode> lsi is on, is selected as rtc clock, and rtc clock is enabled
2017-02-18T00:20:48 < corecode>                 rcc_set_rtc_clock_source(RCC_LSI);
2017-02-18T00:20:49 < corecode>                 rcc_enable_rtc_clock();
2017-02-18T00:20:49 < corecode>                 rtc_unlock();
2017-02-18T00:20:51 < corecode>  
2017-02-18T00:22:27 < corecode> libopencm3
2017-02-18T00:22:35 < corecode> bkpwe
2017-02-18T00:22:36 < corecode> hmm
2017-02-18T00:24:23 < corecode> ha!
2017-02-18T00:24:33 < corecode> this is a maze of lockout bits everywhere
2017-02-18T00:25:09 < Thorn> wtf it just enumerated
2017-02-18T00:25:20 < Thorn> the magic of zyp
2017-02-18T00:32:30 < zyp> oh sorry, I got interrupted
2017-02-18T00:33:21 < zyp> IIRC the dwc_otg core is picky about what order you handle stuff in, wrt setup received vs setup done, so it's a potential race condition or something
2017-02-18T00:33:36 < zyp> I saw it when I wrote my stack, and some libopencm3 issue once confirmed similar behavior
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2017-02-18T00:43:00 < Thorn> so, the lesson is: if you handle an interrupt but do not enable it and the ISR is a long list of if (FLAG1)  {handle_flag1(); return; } weird shit will happen
2017-02-18T00:43:42 < Thorn> you will lose some interrupts and get some that you're not supposed to receive
2017-02-18T00:43:45 < zyp> heh
2017-02-18T00:44:07 < Thorn> it doesn't help that there are at least 3 levels of masks
2017-02-18T00:47:01 < englishman> Tectu_: boop
2017-02-18T00:47:15 < Thorn> btw my driver is on github https://github.com/pthorn/cortexm-usb-driver/ (a lot of stuff is yet to be done though)
2017-02-18T00:47:37 < zyp> Thorn, https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/pull/672#issuecomment-231863818 <- here's what I were referring to
2017-02-18T00:49:01 < Thorn> for example I need to decouple streams from endpoints (I had them separate originally but then merged them)
2017-02-18T00:50:18 < Thorn> (and document the API lol)
2017-02-18T00:51:36 < Thorn> the seeed pcb calculator still doesn't work in chrome
2017-02-18T00:52:07 < zyp> do you have an example of your code in use?
2017-02-18T00:52:18 < zyp> like, how does this look from the user experience?
2017-02-18T00:54:35 < corecode> meh bcd
2017-02-18T00:54:42 < Thorn> that is part of what's missing
2017-02-18T00:55:05 < Thorn> let me pastebin some code
2017-02-18T00:57:53 < Thorn> https://gist.github.com/pthorn/dd65ed4e2cd65c329078e99507dd4502
2017-02-18T00:59:55 < zyp> why do you have a distinct transmit_zlp()?
2017-02-18T01:00:15 < zyp> in my API, I just do a normal transfer with length = 0
2017-02-18T01:01:48 < Thorn> IIRC when I had streams the normal transfer functions required streams as parameters
2017-02-18T01:02:20 < Thorn> which makes no sense if no data is transferred
2017-02-18T01:02:48 < zyp> make a static stream object that yields a zero length packet when submitted? :)
2017-02-18T01:03:21 < Thorn> I expect a lot of API changed once I start implementing classes like HID and MSC
2017-02-18T01:03:27 < Thorn> *changes
2017-02-18T01:03:41 < zyp> I think you're making some of the same mistakes I made when I made my API
2017-02-18T01:03:55 < Thorn> btw I got a 072 discovery with usb device, another time sink
2017-02-18T01:04:27 < zyp> all this handle_this() and handle_that() is not very useful
2017-02-18T01:05:46 < corecode> could somebody tell me how i wake up using an RTC alarm?
2017-02-18T01:05:53 < corecode> do i have to configure the interrupt?
2017-02-18T01:06:12 < zyp> did you try reading the RTC chapter in the RM?
2017-02-18T01:06:19 < Thorn> btw it should at least send ZLPs automatically based on DataResult/SetupResult return values
2017-02-18T01:06:19 < corecode> yes
2017-02-18T01:06:46 < Thorn> what's the alternative to handle_() callbacks?
2017-02-18T01:06:54 < corecode> i'm trying to wake up from standby
2017-02-18T01:07:36 < zyp> Thorn, well, I'm planning to redesign my API around the concept of transfers
2017-02-18T01:08:23 < zyp> so a transfer will be an object, containing a buffer pointer and size argument
2017-02-18T01:08:47 < Thorn> sounds somewhat like by streams
2017-02-18T01:08:49 < zyp> it can be submitted to any endpoint, OUT will write to its buffer, IN will read from its buffer
2017-02-18T01:08:53 < zyp> yeah, probably
2017-02-18T01:09:03 < zyp> and also some sort of associated callback
2017-02-18T01:09:21 < Thorn> https://github.com/pthorn/cortexm-usb-driver/blob/master/include/usb/endpoint.h#L61
2017-02-18T01:09:28 < zyp> this is similar to how libusb async API works
2017-02-18T01:09:35 < zyp> and it's a lot more sane than this
2017-02-18T01:10:33 < Thorn> unicore-mx does something similar
2017-02-18T01:11:17 < corecode> you're writing a usb library?
2017-02-18T01:11:58 < Thorn> I even played with the idea of having every control transfer be an instance of ControlTransfer
2017-02-18T01:12:54 < Thorn> the driver would select the subclass and create its instance in the setup stage and then call it in data/status stage
2017-02-18T01:12:55 < zyp> my plan is to still use a callback for setup, but handle the data stage like any other transfer
2017-02-18T01:13:38 < zyp> so handle_setup() will submit a transfer object for the data stage transfer
2017-02-18T01:15:08 < Thorn> it all sounds like it would need (or at least be awkward without) dynamic memory allocation and I'm trying to avoid that though
2017-02-18T01:16:05 < zyp> not necessarily
2017-02-18T01:16:08 < corecode> if you want, you could have a look at my usb stack for the kinetis chips
2017-02-18T01:17:14 < Thorn> is it on online somewhere?
2017-02-18T01:17:17 < zyp> yeah, let's show off our usb stacks, everybody :)
2017-02-18T01:17:18 < zyp> haha
2017-02-18T01:17:45 < corecode> well, i think it is useful to learn and improve
2017-02-18T01:17:58 < corecode> it would be great if somebody could tell me what i could to better
2017-02-18T01:18:24 < corecode> https://github.com/mchck/mchck-os/tree/master/src/usb
2017-02-18T01:18:34 < zyp> Thorn, the transfer object could be allocated globally, or in a multithreaded setup, it could be allocated on the stack of a thread with a blocking submit that blocks that thread until it has a result
2017-02-18T01:18:56 < zyp> corecode, have you looked at my stack?
2017-02-18T01:19:17 < zyp> corecode, also, do you have code of it in use?
2017-02-18T01:20:01 < zyp> seeing it in use is more useful than looking at the stack code itself when discussing API
2017-02-18T01:20:28 < Thorn> yeah I'm definitely reintroducing streams, let's see how the API will change then
2017-02-18T01:20:56 < zyp> call it transfers :)
2017-02-18T01:20:57 < Thorn> right now I basically have a stream per endpoint
2017-02-18T01:21:22 < corecode> zyp: yes, i use that code
2017-02-18T01:21:33 < corecode> zyp: in examples etc there should be code
2017-02-18T01:21:49 < corecode> look at the device classes maybe
2017-02-18T01:22:03 < corecode> zyp: no, could you give me a link?
2017-02-18T01:22:43 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb
2017-02-18T01:22:50 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/main.cpp <- here's a project using it for HID
2017-02-18T01:23:04 < zyp> a bit messy, but eh :)
2017-02-18T01:24:09 < corecode> oh i like the constexpr stuff for hid
2017-02-18T01:24:20 < Thorn> btw the HID example for 746 disco is stupid. you press the button and the mouse cursor on the host moves a little to the right. I thought they'd use the touchscreen or something lol
2017-02-18T01:24:29 < corecode> i wrote a ruby descriptor generator
2017-02-18T01:25:16 < Thorn> I'm planning to make streams that generate descriptors on the fly
2017-02-18T01:25:33 < Thorn> (or transfers lol)
2017-02-18T01:25:45 < corecode> https://github.com/mchck/mchck-os/blob/master/examples/hid/hid.desc
2017-02-18T01:25:59 < corecode> https://github.com/mchck/mchck-os/blob/master/examples/hid/khid.c
2017-02-18T01:26:09 < zyp> Thorn, I've thought about generating descriptors on the fly too
2017-02-18T01:28:51 < zyp> of course, constexpr everything into a blob in .rodata is nice too
2017-02-18T01:29:29 < zyp> but it'd be convenient to automatically allocate interface numbers and endpoints
2017-02-18T01:30:06 < Thorn> and change max pkt sizes for FS vs HS
2017-02-18T01:30:25 < zyp> that too
2017-02-18T01:30:56 < zyp> but you might as well just provide two copies if that's all
2017-02-18T01:33:30 < zyp> C++14 has variable templates, so I guess you could just do a descriptor template
2017-02-18T01:34:40 < zyp> template<int bulk_mps> auto conf_desc = configuration_descriptor(interface(endpoint(0x01, bulk_mps, …))); and then just refer to conf_desc<64> and conf_desc<512>
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2017-02-18T01:39:21 < Thorn> so e.g. get_ep(1).init_transfer(data, 1265); device->start_in_transfer(&get_ep(1)); should become transfer.init(data, 1265); device->submit(transfer, get_ep(1));
2017-02-18T01:40:13 < zyp> yeah, that looks reasonable
2017-02-18T01:41:25 < zyp> transfer object could also contain a callback for completion
2017-02-18T01:41:35 < Thorn> absolutely
2017-02-18T01:42:31 < zyp> maybe make it variadic, then you can inherit with a templated class that can wrap a closure with arbitrary arguments
2017-02-18T01:42:48 < zyp> that way you can get by without using capturing closures, so you won't need a heap
2017-02-18T01:43:00 < zyp> noncapturing closures fits into regular function pointers
2017-02-18T01:43:06 < Thorn> btw std::function() apparently malloc()s
2017-02-18T01:43:42 < Thorn> (a 'simple' [](){} closure doesn't)
2017-02-18T01:44:06 < zyp> idk about std::function itself, but if you pass a capturing closure into it, the closure certainly does, because it need to store the captured data somewhere
2017-02-18T01:47:29 < corecode> huh so i have to read the RTC_DR somehow
2017-02-18T01:47:38 < corecode> or RTC_TR won't update
2017-02-18T01:47:42 < zyp> I used closures for the mcufont callbacks when I dicked around with my gfx code recently: http://paste.jvnv.net/view/ZVTuI
2017-02-18T01:50:49 < zyp> makes it look like the nested loops it actually is
2017-02-18T01:53:02 < zyp> optimize to what?
2017-02-18T01:53:50 < corecode> pretty sure the compiler know how to handle that
2017-02-18T01:54:15 < corecode> man that rtc wakeup, what am i missing?
2017-02-18T01:54:15 < zyp> well, uh, shifts are free on ARM
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2017-02-18T01:55:01 < zyp> LeelooMinai, well, that is what ((alpha >> 0) & 0xe0) does
2017-02-18T01:55:26 < zyp> my point is, your expression gives the wrong output.
2017-02-18T01:55:41 < upgrdman> anyone know if a usb-serial device (like an stm32 as a usb client) can query it's com port or /dev/ttyFoo? e.g. so the stm32 can show "COM4" on it's LCD to help the user, etc.
2017-02-18T01:55:49 < zyp> do you want me to write ((alpha & (0x1x << 3)) >> 3) ?
2017-02-18T01:55:55 < zyp> 0x1c*
2017-02-18T01:55:56 < upgrdman> i dont actually need to do this, but just curious
2017-02-18T01:56:14 < zyp> upgrdman, haha, no
2017-02-18T01:56:22 < upgrdman> :) bummer, ok
2017-02-18T01:57:07 < zyp> unless you make it a custom class with a special driver that reports this back to the device
2017-02-18T01:58:22 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yes, I'm taking the 8-bit alpha, and converting it to 3+3+2 bit, so I can use it to mask against the color
2017-02-18T01:59:25 < zyp> if I wanted to optimize it, I'd precalc a 8-entry array and do color_mask[alpha >> 5]
2017-02-18T02:00:00 < zyp> that's only 8 bytes, so it'd probably be smaller than the instructions saved too :p
2017-02-18T02:00:17 < zyp> so both speed and size advantage
2017-02-18T02:00:47 < zyp> but eh, there's limits to how fast I need to be able to draw text
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2017-02-18T02:03:33 < zyp> I'd think if I wanted to optimize it, I'd get rid of the whole per-pixel callback thing which adds a lot of branching and shit
2017-02-18T02:04:58 < zyp> it can't, different translation units
2017-02-18T02:05:12 < zyp> maybe with LTO
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2017-02-18T02:05:27 < corecode> ah
2017-02-18T02:05:28 < corecode> so
2017-02-18T02:05:39 < zyp> libraries how? I'm linking the object files directly, not packed in an .a
2017-02-18T02:05:42 < corecode> when the debugger has attached, the wakeups don't work
2017-02-18T02:05:46 < corecode> must be something with openocd
2017-02-18T02:06:31 < zyp> that's the point of LTO
2017-02-18T02:07:55 < zyp> but who the fuck cares about how fast a text drawing routine is, it's going to take many orders of magnitude more time to read that text than it takes to draw it
2017-02-18T02:08:47 < Thorn> so first you spend 2 days frantically hacking the code (mostly at random), then you celebrate victory, and then you do git diff.
2017-02-18T02:09:56 < zyp> I'd think it's bottlenecked by the SPI interface towards the oled, not the pixel callback
2017-02-18T02:10:29 < zyp> but I haven't measured and I'm not going to unless I find out it's too slow
2017-02-18T02:10:38 < englishman> found upgrdman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIy0idBl_60
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2017-02-18T02:11:26 < upgrdman> englishman, nice
2017-02-18T02:11:30 < Laurenceb_> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/17/zuckerberg_publishes_worldsaving_manifesto/
2017-02-18T02:11:37 < Laurenceb_> I like their style
2017-02-18T02:11:55 < zyp> LeelooMinai, nah, he got a prius
2017-02-18T02:16:03 < corecode> how can i tell whether the rtc has already been configured?
2017-02-18T02:17:05 < zyp> try reading the RTC chapter in the RM
2017-02-18T02:17:20 < corecode> i am
2017-02-18T02:17:43 < zyp> also the RCC chapter, the part about the registers controlling LSE
2017-02-18T02:18:14 < zyp> you can probably assume that RTC is configured if LSE is already running after a reset
2017-02-18T02:18:46 < zyp> if that's not enough, check that the RTC timestamp looks sane (i.e. not in the past)
2017-02-18T02:19:28 < kakimir> englishman: you. vag man!
2017-02-18T02:19:43 < corecode> yea i thought about checking the clock source
2017-02-18T02:20:15 < kakimir> are you familiar with bosch wheel speed sensor in audi a6 -07 or so
2017-02-18T02:22:08 < kakimir> we changed discs because of jerkin motion when braking ligthly and it went away
2017-02-18T02:23:22 < kakimir> front discs ABS and ESP and parking brake malfunctions because we rotated discs without wheels on air and park brake on
2017-02-18T02:23:41 < kakimir> did vagcom read and clear and didn't fix it
2017-02-18T02:24:11 < zyp> haha
2017-02-18T02:24:25 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-18T02:24:39 < kakimir> but not my choice
2017-02-18T02:25:15 < kakimir> says there is broblem in rigth side abs wheel speed sensor
2017-02-18T02:25:42 < kakimir> measured 25Mohm from sensor and 0.590V diode
2017-02-18T02:26:25 < kakimir> measured 0V and open circuit from lead when engine was on
2017-02-18T02:27:04 < Thorn> uint8_t a = 1, b = 0xfe;  cout << (a == ~b); <-- what will it print?
2017-02-18T02:27:39 < kakimir> I know
2017-02-18T02:28:11 < zyp> Thorn, I'd expect the expression to be true
2017-02-18T02:28:12 < kakimir> but if I knew the sensor type I would know what my measurements meant
2017-02-18T02:28:24 < Thorn> WORNG
2017-02-18T02:28:27 < kakimir> and what to rule out
2017-02-18T02:29:06 < zyp> Thorn, so bitwise not does a type promotion even though it's an unary operator? that seems weird
2017-02-18T02:29:47 < kakimir> I know how it works crt 
2017-02-18T02:29:54 < Thorn> <Thorn>	geordi { unsigned char c;  cout << TYPE(c) << TYPE(+c); }
2017-02-18T02:30:00 < Thorn> <geordi>	lvalue unsigned char prvalue int
2017-02-18T02:30:14 < kakimir> they can change every part in the car and charge for it 100/h plus parts
2017-02-18T02:30:29 < Thorn> where is my PL/I
2017-02-18T02:30:45 < kakimir> that is why we are doing ourselfs
2017-02-18T02:31:27 < kakimir> same store sells car parts for local mechanics for -50%
2017-02-18T02:31:39 < kakimir> hurts sometimes to get something directly
2017-02-18T02:32:15 < kakimir> not in company bill
2017-02-18T02:34:38 < zyp> Thorn, http://paste.jvnv.net/view/Ktw6g
2017-02-18T02:35:05 < zyp> so yeah, it gets promoted first, then not-ed
2017-02-18T02:36:14 < Thorn> I'm starting to think PHP is not so bad, at least relatively speaking
2017-02-18T02:36:52 < zyp> «Integer types smaller than int are promoted when an operation is performed on them. If all values of the original type can be represented as an int, the value of the smaller type is converted to an int; otherwise, it is converted to an unsigned int.»
2017-02-18T02:37:06 < zyp> (for bitwise operations)
2017-02-18T02:37:29 < Thorn> I can't remember reading that in any book, especially with examples
2017-02-18T02:38:03 < kakimir> we did the PID for beer factory today
2017-02-18T02:38:23 < kakimir> it didn't
2017-02-18T02:38:46 < kakimir> pid is fucked
2017-02-18T02:38:55 < Thorn> <kakimir> we got paid with beer *hic*
2017-02-18T02:39:56 < kakimir> lamp on, lamp off, lamp on, lamp off
2017-02-18T02:40:05 < kakimir> temperature is whatever
2017-02-18T02:40:19 < kakimir> way too much off
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2017-02-18T02:45:59 < Thorn> stm32cube in macos eats 150% cpu when the clock tab is open
2017-02-18T02:46:34 < Thorn> "why is the fan running?"
2017-02-18T02:47:24 < Thorn> there is also a fuckton of messages in dmesg
2017-02-18T02:47:50 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQzNEMWM3YTRDY1E/view?usp=sharing
2017-02-18T02:48:30 < kakimir> also +12v fused output for fans and such
2017-02-18T02:53:12 < Thorn> LeelooMinai: it says "user: 20%" and "stm32cubemx: 120%" at the same time
2017-02-18T02:53:42 < Thorn> maybe it's 20% of 8 threads
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2017-02-18T03:01:37 < corecode> aha!
2017-02-18T03:01:44 < corecode> you have to set the alarm interrupt enable flag
2017-02-18T03:01:50 < corecode> just alarm is not sufficient
2017-02-18T03:05:26 < kakimir> and it said it in the papers?
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2017-02-18T03:24:48 < corecode> so, that gd32 takes 18ms to wake up
2017-02-18T03:24:55 < corecode> that's plenty of time
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2017-02-18T03:41:43 < machinehum> Why is HAL so absurd sometimes
2017-02-18T03:42:08 < machinehum> All I want to do is tranmit w/ a blocking function and recive using interrupts
2017-02-18T03:42:19 < machinehum> Why is this so difficult
2017-02-18T03:46:46 < Laurenceb_>  > HAL
2017-02-18T03:46:53 < Laurenceb_>  > why is this so difficult
2017-02-18T03:48:58 < machinehum> MERP
2017-02-18T03:49:22 < machinehum> Might just poll the register
2017-02-18T03:49:25 < machinehum> Fuck it
2017-02-18T03:50:26 < Laurenceb_> welcome to stm32
2017-02-18T03:52:22 < Laurenceb_> machinehum: I avoid HAL like the plague
2017-02-18T03:52:40 < Laurenceb_> ChibiOS is quite nice for quick and dirty projects tho
2017-02-18T03:52:53 < Thorn> HAL adds 7 kilobytes to .text even if you don't use it
2017-02-18T03:53:15 < machinehum> god
2017-02-18T03:53:21 < machinehum> Learning F7
2017-02-18T03:53:26 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-02-18T03:53:27 < machinehum> No STDperiph
2017-02-18T03:53:40 < machinehum> HAL is SAVAGEly horrible
2017-02-18T03:53:40 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'm not sure how much ChibiOS support there is either
2017-02-18T03:55:05 < Laurenceb_> I think it is
2017-02-18T03:55:15 < Laurenceb_> the creator is a weaboo
2017-02-18T04:01:22  * Laurenceb_ returns to trying to understand material ablation rates in rocket exhaust :-/
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2017-02-18T04:03:57 < Laurenceb_> I knew nylon was going to melt but not as fast as it does :-/
2017-02-18T04:07:06 < Thorn> better hurry, the launch is tomorrow
2017-02-18T04:07:37 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-02-18T04:07:46 < Laurenceb_> hello I come from the internet  https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a039c19a3e9dbfb7f208ccfb0ed8cdd659882046cfde1946743f5e9d97ff78cd.jpg
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2017-02-18T04:19:22 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-18T04:19:28 < Laurenceb_> you want Alexander Jahans to lose his virginity?
2017-02-18T04:20:04 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Alexander_Jahans
2017-02-18T04:20:29 < Laurenceb_> Alexander Gordon Jahans is a left wing, autistic person who is against the alt-right and hates racism, but he is the official leader of /pol/ and the alt-right.
2017-02-18T04:23:25 < kakimir> are y0u a wizard crt =
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2017-02-18T04:27:13 < Laurenceb_> oops
2017-02-18T04:27:15  * Laurenceb_ zzz
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2017-02-18T04:45:48 < upgrdman> i wonder if this is like a bunch of raspberry pi's    http://home.cern/sites/home.web.cern.ch/files/image/featured/2014/03/cms-preshower.jpg
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2017-02-18T04:58:28 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/bf7664996bcd416cade5c8a252972c36?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=582c45247eb077e252fb3bf15bedf9f4
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2017-02-18T05:41:50 < upgrdman> anyone know why some (not all) infrared decoders have this like chastity belt thing on them   https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1tMjHLXXXXXaVXFXXq6xXFXXXc/Universal-IR-Infrared-Receiver-Sensor-Module-1838.jpg
2017-02-18T05:42:37 < upgrdman> and others dont have that, e.g.  http://i.stack.imgur.com/rojKP.jpg
2017-02-18T05:48:25 < dongs> crt: lol why so many dislike
2017-02-18T05:48:28 < dongs> i dont get it
2017-02-18T05:49:06 < dongs> i wonder if video title is some common faggot cap that loser CRT TV repairmen google for
2017-02-18T05:49:10 < dongs> and that video is 1st hit
2017-02-18T05:49:21 < dongs> and they all watch it and rage
2017-02-18T05:49:24 < dongs> because they cant get them
2017-02-18T05:49:47 < dongs> LIE-NUX
2017-02-18T05:49:50 < upgrdman> crt, so you do a lot of audio stuff right? for low noise power, do they just pile on the electrolytic caps? and lots of MLCCs? or what
2017-02-18T05:50:41 < upgrdman> yes but what kind. just lots of electrolytics? or ceramics? or mylar or whatr
2017-02-18T05:51:07 < dongs> who's autisming
2017-02-18T05:51:09 < englishman> 500kHz noise totally affects fidelity
2017-02-18T05:51:53 < englishman> dongs, mirccloud now has a softignore
2017-02-18T05:52:09 < englishman> so you can see who's autisming but not their text
2017-02-18T05:52:11 < upgrdman> englishman, im only asking because of that super autistic mic amp i made. sounded like shit when powered from usb + 100uF + 100nF. sounds pretty nice with powered from 4 aa's + 100uF + 100nF
2017-02-18T05:52:17 < upgrdman> as expected
2017-02-18T05:52:29 < upgrdman> but if i had to pwoer from usb, i'd like to know how to clean it up nicely
2017-02-18T05:52:33 < englishman> example http://i.imgur.com/jGSwYgH.gifv
2017-02-18T05:52:36 < dongs> upgrdman: dont you haev a linear regulator on there?
2017-02-18T05:52:37 < upgrdman> anal bead + shit tons of caps i guess
2017-02-18T05:52:44 < upgrdman> dongs, nope :) 
2017-02-18T05:52:48 < dongs> uh
2017-02-18T05:52:51 < dongs> how are you powering it then?
2017-02-18T05:52:53 < dongs> just direct 5V?
2017-02-18T05:53:01 < upgrdman> dongs, ya. 4 eneloop AA's
2017-02-18T05:53:07 < dongs> so thats hte problem
2017-02-18T05:53:09 < upgrdman> 4.8V nominal
2017-02-18T05:53:19 < upgrdman> dongs, works great
2017-02-18T05:53:20 < dongs> how much power does that opamp or whatever need
2017-02-18T05:53:24 < upgrdman> only problem was when using usb
2017-02-18T05:53:26 < dongs> yeah ii m,ean, thats why your usb vcc is shit
2017-02-18T05:53:29 < upgrdman> o
2017-02-18T05:53:30 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-02-18T05:53:50 < upgrdman> dongs, fuck if i know. prolly milliwatts. mcp6002. too lazy to look at the datashit 
2017-02-18T05:54:14 < dongs>  so it can run 1.8 to 6V
2017-02-18T05:54:14 < englishman> maybe groundloop
2017-02-18T05:54:43 < upgrdman> dongs, ya but at 2V it would clip easily if i talk loud
2017-02-18T05:54:43 < dongs> you want a high psrr ldo, to amek liek 4V or wahetver from USB shit
2017-02-18T05:54:50 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-18T05:55:00 < dongs> that'll clcean up noise/ripple
2017-02-18T05:55:09 < upgrdman> 1117 too shit for that
2017-02-18T05:55:11 < upgrdman> ?
2017-02-18T05:56:27 < dongs> it'll bne better than no reg
2017-02-18T05:56:33 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-18T05:57:35 < dongs> add a cap between adj and gnd to make it better
2017-02-18T05:59:57 < emeb_mac> that's  racist
2017-02-18T06:01:04 < englishman> upgrdman has a ton of 1117 from the zano auctions
2017-02-18T06:01:29 < dongs> haha
2017-02-18T06:01:41 < emeb_mac> lm1117 regulators? awesome
2017-02-18T06:01:54 < dongs> don't you know
2017-02-18T06:02:05 < dongs> in battery power lipo applications, linear regulator is the BEST choice to get the most out of the battery
2017-02-18T06:02:08 < upgrdman> lol. acutally the only LDOs i think i have are some old ass 3.2V reg's from panasonic or some shit my former employer was trashing
2017-02-18T06:02:33 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-02-18T06:02:33 < dongs> (c)(tm) ivan reedman
2017-02-18T06:02:42 < upgrdman> and a bag of 7812's that i have ~no use for
2017-02-18T06:02:44 < emeb_mac> mcp1802 4-evah baby
2017-02-18T06:02:49 < dongs> im using those
2017-02-18T06:02:56 < dongs> thats one of the pin-compatible-with-everything shits
2017-02-18T06:03:13 < emeb_mac> sot23-5
2017-02-18T06:03:15 < emeb_mac> yep
2017-02-18T06:03:50 < emeb_mac> probably get them from your china girl 10 for $0.01
2017-02-18T06:04:15 < dongs> usually get that kinda stuff in reels
2017-02-18T06:04:23 < dongs> but ya close
2017-02-18T06:06:26 < dongs> englishman: https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Design-drone-that-capable-lifting/ go
2017-02-18T06:06:58 < englishman> contender for the next president of canada http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kevin-oleary-wine-home-shopping-1.3988057
2017-02-18T06:07:13 < englishman> oh cool
2017-02-18T06:07:15 < englishman> its design only
2017-02-18T06:07:28 < englishman> so i can draw some shit with crayon
2017-02-18T06:07:59 < englishman> i can just submit "NO :(" and get paid
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2017-02-18T07:17:16 < upgrdman> he in az or nv iirc
2017-02-18T07:17:18 < upgrdman> not china
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2017-02-18T07:38:59 < ohsix> boop
2017-02-18T07:40:13 < ohsix>  /part #pbsideachannel 
2017-02-18T07:40:57 < upgrdman> ohsix, you dont like their pepe movies? ;)
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2017-02-18T07:41:31 < ohsix> upgrdman: probably emishits (ir receiver)
2017-02-18T07:41:48 < ohsix> er
2017-02-18T07:42:04 < ohsix> upgrdman: nah was lurking to see if anything interesting happened
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2017-02-18T07:43:37 < ohsix> here's a small sample 21:37 < Aelius:#pbsideachannel> delicious flat chest
2017-02-18T07:44:47 < ohsix> guh borrowed scope from lab
2017-02-18T07:44:51 < ohsix> can't work in here
2017-02-18T07:45:07 < ohsix> olol need to finish setting up the big desk
2017-02-18T07:46:20 < ohsix> working on scanner thing
2017-02-18T07:46:46 < ohsix> when i shook some of the shit out to get it ready for muzak, the integration time on the sensor changed somehow
2017-02-18T07:47:50 < ohsix> so i hooked up the LEDs and got the rgb reading shits working oleorlorl, still dunno how i'm gonna make it play music
2017-02-18T07:47:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, so i started to retheme my program to make it look less ugly. comments?  http://farrellf.com/temp/telemetry_viewer_tiles.png
2017-02-18T07:48:10 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-18T07:48:15 < ohsix> i'm not a designer tho heuhruh
2017-02-18T07:48:19 < ohsix> that's better than the grid
2017-02-18T07:48:25 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-18T07:48:49 < ohsix> you could probably use hard line ticks around the edge and a grey stipple line across
2017-02-18T07:48:53 < ohsix> like on an oscilloscope
2017-02-18T07:49:09 < upgrdman> hmm ya
2017-02-18T07:49:15 < ohsix> cuz you're trying to communicate that you lay shit onto the grid, the gray squares and the black grid don't really convey that
2017-02-18T07:49:34 < upgrdman> and/or make those lines in the plots blend in more with the background
2017-02-18T07:50:03 < upgrdman> oh that
2017-02-18T07:50:10 < upgrdman> i think i want to change to a "tiles" metaphone
2017-02-18T07:50:19 < upgrdman> metaphore even
2017-02-18T07:50:21 < ohsix> it looks nice when something is already on the grid
2017-02-18T07:51:43 < ohsix> i wanna do something like that w/ u8g and the mono displays
2017-02-18T07:51:50 < ohsix> shit looks kewl when it is tiny and barely legible
2017-02-18T07:52:01 < ohsix> the xprotolab is pretty usable though
2017-02-18T07:52:08 < ohsix> was really impressed
2017-02-18T07:52:18 < ohsix> http://www.gabotronics.com/development-boards/xmega-xprotolab.htm this thing
2017-02-18T07:52:36 < ohsix> 4x3 font
2017-02-18T07:54:51 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-02-18T07:55:26 < ohsix> there's a sparkfun oled thing that has a widget library with gauges and stuff
2017-02-18T07:55:45 < upgrdman> what is that, a font for ants
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2017-02-18T07:56:49 < ohsix> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12923 this thing
2017-02-18T07:56:53 < ohsix> haww
2017-02-18T07:57:01 < ohsix> i recognize the quote but not from where
2017-02-18T07:57:11 < ohsix> ahh zoolander
2017-02-18T07:57:16 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-18T07:59:29 < ohsix> gotta get my beep on
2017-02-18T08:00:17 < ohsix> i know how to make the mixer and note junk, and envelopes and shit, but not what to do when you also have to collect complicated input stuff that might take a long time olol; there could be dropouts
2017-02-18T08:00:34 < ohsix> i guess render ahead with wat you have to cover the time for the input reading
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2017-02-18T08:19:05 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/MXEQfFH.jpg
2017-02-18T08:25:03 < upgrdman> crt, http://www.invisiblerobot.com/pcie_x1/
2017-02-18T08:26:24 < upgrdman> also dongs ^
2017-02-18T08:28:05 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Cosmopolitan/status/832725410517442561
2017-02-18T08:35:53 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/d0tslash/status/832626170390728704 french drone hunting eagles
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2017-02-18T08:40:41 < ohsix> lul wut http://www.cc.com/video-clips/vtsaeu/-midnight-with-chris-hardwick-john-dimaggio-reads-chuck-tingle-erotica
2017-02-18T08:41:06 < emeb_mac> tinglers!
2017-02-18T08:41:20 < ohsix> nobody knows him as bender, he's jake from adventure timeeeeeeeeeee
2017-02-18T08:41:27 < emeb_mac> gay erotica written by an autistic guy from Montana
2017-02-18T08:42:05 < ohsix> is there a definitive thing on the autism angle
2017-02-18T08:43:43 < ohsix> hrm lame
2017-02-18T08:44:11 < ohsix> when i saw the ad saying tingle was going to be on, it gave me the impression he'd be a guest on the panel, but it was just that little segment
2017-02-18T08:45:54 < emeb_mac> from what I've heard he doesn't get out much.
2017-02-18T08:46:13 < emeb_mac> his son transcribes most of his work for publication
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2017-02-18T10:07:52 < ohsix> hrm
2017-02-18T10:07:56 < ohsix> not me
2017-02-18T10:08:04 < ohsix> but i'm p. busy now
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2017-02-18T10:40:22 < ohsix> need business cards
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2017-02-18T10:49:36 < dongs> sup dongs
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2017-02-18T10:56:58 < PeterM> u wotr m8
2017-02-18T10:57:24 < PeterM> hi bored, im peter
2017-02-18T10:57:59 < PeterM> got a schematic? and whats poppiun'?
2017-02-18T10:59:26 < PeterM> hows the xformer? its not cooked is it? if it isnt, i'
2017-02-18T10:59:28 < PeterM> d
2017-02-18T10:59:54 < PeterM> say shoot through
2017-02-18T11:00:13 < PeterM> or flux walk at high high load
2017-02-18T11:01:37 < PeterM> even if current mode control, feedback loop probably isnt quick enough to kill a saturated transformer
2017-02-18T11:01:53 < PeterM> to kill the supplly for a saturated txformer
2017-02-18T11:01:54 < PeterM> *
2017-02-18T11:06:20 < ohsix> Software piracy began to be a problem when floppy disks became the common storage media. said no one ever
2017-02-18T11:07:41 < PeterM> eyuyyy tis a rat
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2017-02-18T11:11:14 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-18T11:11:15 < upgrdman> FORT PIERCE, Fla. – Police are investigating after a 5-year-old boy was found with a used condom in his mouth at a Florida elementary school playground, according to WPTV.
2017-02-18T11:11:15 < upgrdman> The boy was playing with classmates Wednesday afternoon outside St. Lucie Elementary School when he found the condom and began chewing on it, Fort Pierce police said.  A teacher removed it immediately and called police, as well as the boy’s mother
2017-02-18T11:11:53 < PeterM> jesus fuck, the ferrite alone in that is probably worth $200
2017-02-18T11:15:09 < ReadError> hey crt 
2017-02-18T11:15:16 < ReadError> did you get ur paki code yet
2017-02-18T11:15:58 < ReadError> trying to get someone to do it?
2017-02-18T11:16:15 < ReadError> lul
2017-02-18T11:19:31 < PeterM> because yeah http://www.digikey.com.au/short/3fnftv 
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2017-02-18T11:22:06 < PeterM> im sure the real amp probably costs significantly mroe than hte parts that make it up, but that clone, probably get your moneys worth out of it
2017-02-18T11:24:27 < PeterM> eyy
2017-02-18T11:24:54 < PeterM> and if you make a decent product your repeat bussiness is only from new purchases, not replacements
2017-02-18T11:25:15 < PeterM> oh also, a problem you might understand
2017-02-18T11:26:01 < PeterM> my old local bottle-o used to stock fosters stubbies, longnecks and cans - but since i moved, no local bottle-os stock fosters at all, and the closes dan murpheys only has cans
2017-02-18T11:26:04 < PeterM> the fuck m8
2017-02-18T11:29:54 < dongs> hey PeterM that hold current thing on optocoupler how does that work
2017-02-18T11:31:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> fosters...
2017-02-18T11:37:45 < dongs> Once triggered into the on (conducting) state, the detector will remain there, even if no current flows through the LED, until the terminal current drops below the holding current (typically 100 µA)
2017-02-18T11:37:49 < dongs> wat
2017-02-18T11:37:49 < dongs> is trhat how it works?
2017-02-18T11:38:19 < dongs> https://www.fairchildsemi.com/application-notes/AN/AN-3003.pdf
2017-02-18T11:38:38 < PeterM> yeah
2017-02-18T11:38:46 < dongs> so if there's noise on pcb
2017-02-18T11:38:49 < dongs> that makes led turn on enough
2017-02-18T11:38:52 < PeterM> mmhm
2017-02-18T11:38:54 < dongs> then im fucked because it keeps conducting?
2017-02-18T11:39:08 < PeterM> yeah
2017-02-18T11:39:14 < PeterM> its not that bad in reality though
2017-02-18T11:39:19 < dongs> well, tis happening
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2017-02-18T11:42:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/4ziZE2z.png dickstaqrtproj has this
2017-02-18T11:42:24 < dongs> R45 going to gate
2017-02-18T11:42:39 < dongs> fgt claims even if gate is LOW, it still makes the shit conduct
2017-02-18T11:42:45 < PeterM> is your optotriac directly switchign hte load or is it switchign another triac?
2017-02-18T11:42:48 < dongs> fix "make it high impedance"
2017-02-18T11:42:50 < dongs> another trial
2017-02-18T11:42:51 < dongs> triac
2017-02-18T11:43:07 < dongs> its switching like 800W t hing
2017-02-18T11:43:39 < PeterM> that shgould be fine, but if you want to be certain, jsut use a 2n2222 instead
2017-02-18T11:43:52 < dongs> isntead of nfet?
2017-02-18T11:44:05 < PeterM> yer
2017-02-18T11:44:37 < dongs> well
2017-02-18T11:44:41 < dongs> apaprently that led can sink up to 50mA
2017-02-18T11:44:42 < dongs> so probly why
2017-02-18T11:44:54 < PeterM> fets are fiiine but because bjts are back to back diodes unless its on there hsould be 0 current
2017-02-18T11:44:54 < dongs> that or the idiots copied appnote from MOC3020 datasheet
2017-02-18T11:44:56 < dongs> and it had a npn in it
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2017-02-18T11:45:27 < PeterM> also, i'd hell no drive that optotriac wiht 50ma, i'd do like 10
2017-02-18T11:46:35 < dongs> Vf is 1.2V on that thing
2017-02-18T11:46:45 < PeterM> but i see no problem wiht oyur existing setup
2017-02-18T11:46:53 < dongs> other than a nfet?
2017-02-18T11:47:07 < PeterM> the nfet *should* work fine
2017-02-18T11:47:15 < dongs> the thing is, nig is claiming stuff is getting turned on "due to drain>gate leakage"
2017-02-18T11:47:25 < PeterM> nah 
2017-02-18T11:47:27 < PeterM> thats nto it
2017-02-18T11:47:41 < PeterM> he probably fucked up the resistor selection on the output of the optotriac
2017-02-18T11:48:17 < dongs> this schematic is fucking awful
2017-02-18T11:48:20 < dongs> ghard to see shit
2017-02-18T11:49:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/liHttNA.png
2017-02-18T11:52:29 < munki> can any of you guys recommend a logic analyzer?
2017-02-18T11:52:51 < Jak_o_Shadows> The cheap salae clones are about $10, and are a good start
2017-02-18T11:52:53 < dongs> they all SUCK
2017-02-18T11:52:59 < dongs> thats all i can recommend
2017-02-18T11:53:03 < munki> ._.
2017-02-18T11:53:23 < dongs> which one
2017-02-18T11:53:28 < Jak_o_Shadows> dongs, what do you do if, for example, you would want ot see the signals?"
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2017-02-18T11:53:48 < PeterM> try more like 360r->180r and 470r->1000r
2017-02-18T11:53:51 < dongs> crt: no, i mean saleae sucks
2017-02-18T11:54:05 < PeterM> 470r wayyy too low
2017-02-18T11:54:22 < munki> i'm having trouble getting SPI working. I'm clocking bytes into this IC and i'm honestly lost as to why i'm not getting the results i want. it's very hard to debug with just an oscope
2017-02-18T11:54:30 < PeterM> 360 is probably ok but usually i run 100-200r
2017-02-18T11:54:53 < PeterM> no
2017-02-18T11:55:01 < PeterM> check schem
2017-02-18T11:55:35 < PeterM> change 360-> 100~200r, 470-> 800~2.5k
2017-02-18T11:55:40 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: oh, i meant, saleae stuff in general is garbage. but it works if theres nothign else
2017-02-18T11:55:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> oh. 
2017-02-18T11:56:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> There are no generally cheap LA's though, apart from the salae clones though?
2017-02-18T11:56:56 < PeterM> to reduce noise based turn on you can also stick a r, say 1k from gate to t1
2017-02-18T11:57:13 < munki> Jak_o_Shadows: i'm having trouble finding one of these seleae clones
2017-02-18T11:58:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> munki, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/USB-Logic-Analyzer-Device-Set-USB-Cable-24MHz-8CH-24MHz-for-ARM-FPGA-M100-New-/311769312796?hash=item4896e62e1c:g:FSUAAOSwEzxYY5bs
2017-02-18T11:58:18 < PeterM> actually, that gatye to t1 resistor would probably be enough by itself
2017-02-18T11:58:45 < munki> oh wow
2017-02-18T11:58:51 < dongs> T1?
2017-02-18T11:59:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> Through like, I think http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Eeprom-Module-Ez-Usb-Develope-Board-Fx2lp-Logic-Analyzer-Cy7c68013a-56-Usb-2-0-P-/292028165007?hash=item43fe3c2b8f:g:GTMAAOSwcUBYIYa9 is the same chip
2017-02-18T11:59:08 < PeterM> t1 is the terminal on the gate side of the triac
2017-02-18T11:59:55 < PeterM> gotta load test an amp?
2017-02-18T12:00:27 < munki> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-HEWLETT-PACKARD-LOGIC-ANALYZER-MN-1660A-WITH-BAG-CABLES-SN-3229A00261-/122355250353?hash=item1c7cf0f4b1:g:Er8AAOSwv0tVJa3I maybe i get one of these :o
2017-02-18T12:00:39 < dongs> trash
2017-02-18T12:01:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> munki, meh, you probably don't need that really. I mean, SPI is gotta be < 24MHz anyway?
2017-02-18T12:02:23 < PeterM> a bucket of salt water and soem stainless steel electrodes'll do ya for 3r9 @2500w
2017-02-18T12:03:20 < munki> Jak_o_Shadows: yeah definitely less than that. I just like gear like that nad that seems a decent price for the capabilities it offers
2017-02-18T12:04:04 < PeterM> crt uhhh
2017-02-18T12:04:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> munki, get something cheap, learn some, then assess what you actually need :P
2017-02-18T12:04:14 < PeterM> what kind of resistors are they, link?
2017-02-18T12:05:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> munki, besides which, your board/project is probably gonna cost more than the salae clone
2017-02-18T12:07:31 < munki> Jak_o_Shadows: for sure. Thanks for the info
2017-02-18T12:08:00 < PeterM> they'll do fine, you will want ot mount them some distance off the wall though
2017-02-18T12:08:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> munki, remember to get some clips!
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2017-02-18T12:38:47 < munki> Jak_o_Shadows: yep i have some from my buspirate
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2017-02-18T12:45:37 < Steffanx> crt: https://youtu.be/0HtyF0jux2Q
2017-02-18T12:50:08 < Steffanx> awful music crt
2017-02-18T12:56:54 < Peter_M> tbh Steffanx i prefer curts music
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2017-02-18T13:09:41 < Peter_M>  well done
2017-02-18T13:09:56 < Peter_M> good thing iggybutts are cheap
2017-02-18T13:11:10 < Peter_M> whaaaaat $12 
2017-02-18T13:11:48 < Peter_M> actuallly pupulating the other full set may help, maybe it'll pop the fuse instead of the igbts
2017-02-18T13:15:38 < Peter_M> also, they're like $6 in wty 100, im sure you'd go through enough of them to buy em in qty 100
2017-02-18T13:16:19 < Peter_M> a good chk is a good knob
2017-02-18T13:16:31 < Peter_M> chks are 10/10 knobs
2017-02-18T13:16:36 < Peter_M> beat most other knobs
2017-02-18T13:17:53 < Peter_M> you dont like a good chicken head knob?
2017-02-18T13:20:38 < Peter_M> no idea - id expect the wirebonds to vapourize if oytu shorted the mains with one
2017-02-18T13:27:17 < ReadError> STONITH is an acronym for "Shoot The Other Node In The Head"
2017-02-18T13:27:20 < ReadError> lunix programmers
2017-02-18T13:32:22 < Peter_M> i use the word lunix the correct amount - enough that i completely forgot it was actually lincux
2017-02-18T13:33:01 < BrainDamage> I never understood usians fetishism for akronyms
2017-02-18T13:33:38 < Peter_M> crt also if the txfrmr is saturating, maybe the extra set of igbts will live one more cycle and reset the core
2017-02-18T13:33:45 < Peter_M> who knows
2017-02-18T13:34:36 < Steffanx> Curts music is less awful, that's something else Peter_M ;)
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2017-02-18T13:35:03 < Steffanx> Can i play it on the internet crt? Linky?
2017-02-18T13:37:19 < Peter_M> recone? blaze it
2017-02-18T13:37:36 < Steffanx> You do "No cure no pay" crt?
2017-02-18T13:37:39 < Steffanx> How often do you fail to fix?
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2017-02-18T13:39:40 < Steffanx> It involved water boarding?
2017-02-18T13:40:13 < Peter_M> waterboarding sounds like a seaside holiday activity
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2017-02-18T13:41:55 < Steffanx> but when they buy good stuff it will break less often..
2017-02-18T13:42:05 < Steffanx> or are most of the issues "pebkac" issues?
2017-02-18T13:42:40 < Peter_M> good stuff also is easier to fix, better construction , easier to get .sch etc
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2017-02-18T13:45:18 < Peter_M> and hte ones that can, the board looks like tom66 has been at it
2017-02-18T13:45:54 < Steffanx> Is tom66 still alive? Haven't seen much of him lately. 
2017-02-18T13:45:58 < munki> it looks like the SPI peripheral when using HAL_SPI driver does not raise CS after transmitting a single byte
2017-02-18T13:46:47 < Peter_M> probably licked one of his pcbs
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2017-02-18T13:52:04 < kakimir> http://k.hacklab.xyz:9090/Qg7RLDd9/file_6.jpg
2017-02-18T13:52:41 < Peter_M> thats like "yeah nah nah yeah m8"
2017-02-18T13:52:53 < Steffanx> kiitos kakimir
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2017-02-18T13:58:48 < kakimir> false * true = false
2017-02-18T13:59:42 < kakimir> positive about negative and negative about positive
2017-02-18T14:03:06 < BrainDamage> yeah no works just as well in english
2017-02-18T14:13:03 < kakimir> true
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2017-02-18T14:21:20 < dongs> pro pros
2017-02-18T14:23:25 < dongs> ready to powerblog
2017-02-18T14:24:04 < dongs> who?
2017-02-18T14:24:05 < dongs> no idea
2017-02-18T14:25:08 < Peter_M> hes bloggin back in time
2017-02-18T14:27:59 < Peter_M> imma guess like $800
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2017-02-18T14:29:04 < Peter_M> that was a pretty decent guess then
2017-02-18T14:29:12 < Peter_M> but yeah i expercted as much
2017-02-18T14:29:32 < Peter_M> qq moar
2017-02-18T14:30:20 < Peter_M> $520 is near what youd pay for an arcade monitor no?
2017-02-18T14:30:49 < Peter_M> i know they have faster scan but who cares, the rest of the thing is fucking trash
2017-02-18T14:31:17 < Peter_M> fuuuck
2017-02-18T14:31:23 < Peter_M> if i were him ida jsut boguht a new one
2017-02-18T14:31:36 < BrainDamage> why not just slap a lcd?
2017-02-18T14:31:53 < Peter_M> doesnt work like that
2017-02-18T14:32:15 < BrainDamage> do the games drive the crt coils directly?
2017-02-18T14:32:31 < BrainDamage> or do they go trouht standard signaling like vga?
2017-02-18T14:34:43 < Peter_M> colours are a bit fucked up though
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2017-02-18T14:37:16 < dongs> lmao
2017-02-18T14:37:19 < dongs> what fucking waste
2017-02-18T14:37:26 < dongs> 480i 800×600 or 640×480
2017-02-18T14:37:32 < dongs> i'll buy a fucking 5K screen for that price
2017-02-18T14:38:48 < dongs> i understand that anyone who still uses a CRT is a faggot
2017-02-18T14:38:56 < Peter_M> the problem is, the displays are trash and the games are trash, but they've been optimized together to be not quite as trash so the result is when you hook an lcd up to the game, you get an even mroe trash lookign game
2017-02-18T14:39:08 < Peter_M> but who cares because the games are like 20 years old and shit
2017-02-18T14:39:17  * dongs looks at jadew 
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2017-02-18T14:40:49 < dongs>  The display plugs directly into your computer’s video card. Note: The connection is VGA, not DVI.
2017-02-18T14:41:11 < BrainDamage> in terms of colour gamut lcd have caught up only recently
2017-02-18T14:41:28 < BrainDamage> but only graphic desiders give a shit about those
2017-02-18T14:41:33 < BrainDamage> and photographers
2017-02-18T14:41:41 < dongs> i give a shit about my altidumb reds looking red as fuck
2017-02-18T14:41:54 < dongs> try running altium on a shitty TFT/TN panel
2017-02-18T14:41:57 < dongs> it looks washed out and gay
2017-02-18T14:42:05 < Peter_M> modern high refreshrate, low latency, low response time montiors >crt
2017-02-18T14:42:18 < Peter_M> by miles
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2017-02-18T14:42:55 < kakimir> http://usuncut.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/cashjet968.png
2017-02-18T14:43:35 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv0naGA-EnA
2017-02-18T14:43:37 < Peter_M> lol f35
2017-02-18T14:43:50 < Peter_M> raining cash down from abopve
2017-02-18T14:46:22 < Steffanx> because you are his boyfriend. duh.
2017-02-18T14:47:09 < BrainDamage> that's a pretty long distance relationship
2017-02-18T14:48:24 < Steffanx> because it's 13:48?
2017-02-18T14:48:55 < Steffanx> aussielanders are known for their weirdness
2017-02-18T14:52:20 < kakimir> I bet they made not only that plane with that trilion dollars
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2017-02-18T15:03:13 < Steffanx> You had to ask crt.. you had to ask. Now Trump obsession kicks in again :P
2017-02-18T15:04:07 < Peter_M> mccain? isnt he the person who does all the frozen foods in woolieS?
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2017-02-18T15:04:24 < Peter_M> ahh mccaijn oyu've dont it again
2017-02-18T15:10:53 < Peter_M> again?
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2017-02-18T15:15:57 < Laurenceb_> was it a welder or an audio thing?
2017-02-18T15:16:29 < Laurenceb_> a new line of business for crt http://www.e-stim.co.uk/files.php
2017-02-18T15:20:18 < BrainDamage> now I wonder what kind of clusterfuck would do the mp3 compression to a simple square wave
2017-02-18T15:23:37 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVyk0IxZ5ms
2017-02-18T15:25:18 < BrainDamage> we need a bot that fetches url titles, but just for laurenceb's links, and automatically suffixes "not funny"
2017-02-18T15:27:10 < dongs> http://www.newsminer.com/news/national/hitler-s-phone-is-up-for-auction-bids-to-start/article_7872e8ad-a7a5-529f-9f46-3f93a880c120.html
2017-02-18T15:29:01 < dongs> leelooman fucked up by chatting
2017-02-18T15:29:05 < dongs> y/y/y
2017-02-18T15:29:35 < Laurenceb_>  $100k O_o
2017-02-18T15:32:45 < dongs> pretty much not that much
2017-02-18T15:32:49 < dongs> in the land of dickgirls
2017-02-18T15:32:56 < dongs> err pretty sure not that much
2017-02-18T15:34:23 < dongs> you can get your dick chopped off for probably 10-20k there
2017-02-18T15:37:07 < Laurenceb_> dongs: or just use a knife
2017-02-18T15:41:25 < Laurenceb_> ask the conductor?
2017-02-18T15:44:10 < Laurenceb_> press the button
2017-02-18T15:44:46 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ZAlKsWj_U
2017-02-18T15:47:34 < Laurenceb_> thats normal for cats
2017-02-18T15:47:51 < Laurenceb_> never let a cat lick your face
2017-02-18T15:49:03 < Laurenceb_> unless your name is Nick Bates
2017-02-18T15:49:49 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index.php?title=Nick_Bate
2017-02-18T15:50:48 < Laurenceb_> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/0/0b/130392554928.jpg/180px-130392554928.jpg
2017-02-18T15:55:30 < Laurenceb_> just over an hour to spacex launch
2017-02-18T15:58:03 < Laurenceb_> new launch site and daylight landing
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2017-02-18T16:06:38 < corecode> hi
2017-02-18T16:06:47 < Laurenceb_> lul what the heck
2017-02-18T16:06:51 < Laurenceb_> thats yuggeee
2017-02-18T16:06:58 < corecode> so this gd32 takes 18ms to come out of standby
2017-02-18T16:07:06 < kakimir> that is 3d renderings?
2017-02-18T16:07:13 < corecode> i must be doing something wrong
2017-02-18T16:10:55 < Steffanx> Dongs: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-02-18T16:12:02 < dongs> oh, really?
2017-02-18T16:12:08 < dongs> i'm actually debugging stm32 right now
2017-02-18T16:12:14 < dongs> but thanks for your concern ^_-
2017-02-18T16:18:10 < corecode> yea i'll do so at some time
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2017-02-18T16:19:27 < corecode> moh
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2017-02-18T16:25:45 < corecode> i have HSE
2017-02-18T16:25:51 < corecode> but for this power test i don't use HSE
2017-02-18T16:26:36 < corecode> i'm looking at the voltage drop across a 1R sense resistor
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2017-02-18T16:26:40 < corecode> and it takes 18ms
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2017-02-18T16:27:20 < corecode> even if i switch on HSE at some point, i can see the increase in power draw at the end
2017-02-18T16:27:31 < corecode> and comparatively it is super short
2017-02-18T16:28:31 < corecode> yes
2017-02-18T16:28:35 < corecode> with LSI running
2017-02-18T16:28:45 < corecode> rtc alarm wakeup
2017-02-18T16:28:59 < corecode> i guess the regulator needs time to start up
2017-02-18T16:30:13 < corecode> i just have the standard copy data to ram
2017-02-18T16:30:20 < corecode> no clock set
2017-02-18T16:30:34 < corecode> maybe the gd32 needs that long to copy the flash to ram?
2017-02-18T16:32:49 < corecode> yea wakeup doesn't work with debug connection
2017-02-18T16:32:54 < corecode> at least not with openocd
2017-02-18T16:33:11 < corecode> no, i mean the hidden flash cache the gd32 chips use
2017-02-18T16:33:30 < corecode> that would happen before reset deasserts
2017-02-18T16:33:42 < corecode> oh well, i'll live with it for now
2017-02-18T16:33:57 < corecode> board relayout now
2017-02-18T16:35:45 < corecode> oh, i need a pull up on this nrf24
2017-02-18T16:35:54 < dongs>  < corecode> maybe the gd32 needs that long to copy the flash to ram?
2017-02-18T16:35:55 < dongs> yes
2017-02-18T16:36:08 < dongs> it mirrors flash over seiral/spi connection on reset
2017-02-18T16:36:18 < corecode> silly stm32 that can't keep pull up/down state during standby
2017-02-18T16:36:27 < dongs> wat
2017-02-18T16:36:30 < corecode> dongs: yea that's what i guess
2017-02-18T16:37:02 < corecode> yea docs say all pins are floating during standby, except for wakeup
2017-02-18T16:37:25 < dongs> of course, because everything is off
2017-02-18T16:37:29 < dongs> why would y ou want it to do anything else
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2017-02-18T16:37:54 < Thorn> hosted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bG37hzwqk technical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8U2KXZzvtA
2017-02-18T16:38:09 < dongs> happened yet?
2017-02-18T16:38:10 < corecode> you'd want the option to keep strong/weak pulls
2017-02-18T16:38:11 < dongs> which oen is better to watch
2017-02-18T16:38:24 < corecode> then you don't need external components
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2017-02-18T17:01:49 < dongs> uh oh
2017-02-18T17:01:50 < dongs> HOLD
2017-02-18T17:01:51 < dongs> abort
2017-02-18T17:02:21 < Steffanx> Mission aborted.
2017-02-18T17:02:32 < dongs> whose fault
2017-02-18T17:02:34 < dongs> is it over
2017-02-18T17:02:38 < dongs> did they hve like 2 second window
2017-02-18T17:03:04 < dongs> fuck
2017-02-18T17:04:27 < Tectu> dongs, you had some complains regarding the keyboard that you bought yourself?
2017-02-18T17:04:32 < dongs> yes
2017-02-18T17:04:36 < dongs> is taht OK
2017-02-18T17:04:49 < Tectu> is what okay?
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2017-02-18T17:05:17 < dongs> what a fucking letdown
2017-02-18T17:05:30 < Tectu> what's the issue?
2017-02-18T17:05:35 < dongs> Tectu: when i type fast
2017-02-18T17:05:37 < dongs> and imean really fast
2017-02-18T17:07:11 < englishman> hola tektu
2017-02-18T17:07:21 < corecode> hi Tectu 
2017-02-18T17:07:29 < englishman> oogabooga crt
2017-02-18T17:07:54 < englishman> konnichiwa dongu-san ^_^
2017-02-18T17:08:17 < Steffanx> Are you on drugs englishman?
2017-02-18T17:08:28 < englishman> a pleasant greeting to you steffan
2017-02-18T17:08:35 < dongs> Tectu: it makes a noise
2017-02-18T17:08:39 < Steffanx> or was the .. dont remember the name of that stuff you canadians make not good anymore.
2017-02-18T17:08:41 < dongs> like high pitched something kinda clicking
2017-02-18T17:08:48 < dongs> i think springs cant keep up wiht my amazetypeing
2017-02-18T17:09:24 < englishman> is this hypekb
2017-02-18T17:09:28 < dongs> y
2017-02-18T17:09:36 < dongs> so far, 100% disappointment
2017-02-18T17:09:36 < englishman> I'm still on $75 coolermaster MX blue
2017-02-18T17:10:01 < englishman> 100% win
2017-02-18T17:11:29 < Tectu> Hi folks
2017-02-18T17:11:36 < dongs> blue sounds like some clicky shit
2017-02-18T17:11:39 < Steffanx> Hellow fellow ##stm32er
2017-02-18T17:11:41 < Tectu> dongs, stop taking speed
2017-02-18T17:11:48 < dongs> when I code stm32
2017-02-18T17:11:51 < dongs> i get carried away
2017-02-18T17:11:51 < Tectu> dongs, nah seriously. I type quite fast and I don't have that problem
2017-02-18T17:11:52 < dongs> typing so fast
2017-02-18T17:13:19 < Tectu> just start using only two fingers like normal people
2017-02-18T17:13:46 < BrainDamage> touchscreen is the future
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2017-02-18T17:13:59 < BrainDamage> 20 years from now everyone will have arthritis
2017-02-18T17:14:28 < Steffanx> touchscreen -> arthritis ?
2017-02-18T17:14:39 < Tectu> fuck touchscreens
2017-02-18T17:14:53 < BrainDamage> yes it was sarcasm
2017-02-18T17:15:02 < BrainDamage> they are a plague
2017-02-18T17:17:12 < englishman> dongs this is great, now i get the answer to who is autisming http://i.imgur.com/MfC50kC.png
2017-02-18T17:17:25 < dongs> haha
2017-02-18T17:17:42 < Tectu> englishman has LeelooMinai on ignore?
2017-02-18T17:17:48 < dongs> everyone sane does
2017-02-18T17:17:51 < dongs> AMP!six too
2017-02-18T17:17:55 < dongs> and Fleck
2017-02-18T17:18:03 < Tectu> Fleck has LeelooMinai on ignore?
2017-02-18T17:18:12 < dongs> no, i have fleck on ignroe
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2017-02-18T17:18:32 < dongs> englishman: but according to the old pic you pasted
2017-02-18T17:18:37 < Tectu> yeah, I'd be quite surprised if that would be the case
2017-02-18T17:18:39 < dongs> it shows the actual line for a second?
2017-02-18T17:18:40 < corecode> so what does 5v tolerant pin really mean?
2017-02-18T17:18:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jGSwYgH.gifv
2017-02-18T17:18:51 < englishman> yeah that was an example
2017-02-18T17:18:51 < dongs> corecode: it means you can put 5V on it when the core is running
2017-02-18T17:18:54 < dongs> and powered up
2017-02-18T17:18:59 < dongs> if you put 5V on it while its NOT powered up, poof
2017-02-18T17:19:02 < corecode> not in standby?
2017-02-18T17:19:22 < dongs> hm, good question. but I think io cells are still powered in standby
2017-02-18T17:19:27 < dongs> buut who knows
2017-02-18T17:19:32 < corecode> yea
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2017-02-18T17:20:03 < corecode> says vdd+4.0V
2017-02-18T17:20:53 < corecode> then i could save two resistors to detect usb power
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2017-02-18T18:08:51 < ReadError> in dat bzb cloud
2017-02-18T18:09:19 < Steffanx> Can you english?
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2017-02-18T18:14:29 < Steffanx> Us autism needs help ReadError.
2017-02-18T18:14:50 < ReadError> Steffanx: otherpeople might get it
2017-02-18T18:14:55 < ReadError> dongs and englishman 
2017-02-18T18:14:58 < ReadError> maybe ohsix
2017-02-18T18:14:59 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-02-18T18:15:22 < ReadError> bzb is a guy who created the bzbbook
2017-02-18T18:15:47 < ReadError> its a trinary laptop 
2017-02-18T18:16:05 < Steffanx> I better give up, no clue what the bzb book is supposed to be P:
2017-02-18T18:16:28 < ReadError> well theres only 1 or a few in circulation 
2017-02-18T18:18:29 < Fleck> Tectu: no, why should I?
2017-02-18T18:18:34 < ReadError> https://archive.org/details/youtube-wHsL77Nh1DA
2017-02-18T18:18:51 < ReadError> go to 2:42
2017-02-18T18:18:55 < ReadError> go to 2:42:00
2017-02-18T18:19:44 < Tectu> Fleck, I wouldn't know why. Hence I'd be surprised if you would :)
2017-02-18T18:20:49 < ReadError> oh that one doesnt go in to the details much but oh well
2017-02-18T18:22:18 < Steffanx>  "01:33:00 Analman song" .. i know again why i dont listen to that lode crap :P
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2017-02-18T18:27:40 < ReadError> bro have you heard that song?
2017-02-18T18:27:43 < ReadError> its fuckin dope
2017-02-18T18:28:15 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl7n-Zy7agc
2017-02-18T18:28:25 < ReadError> gonna bump it again, just listened to earlier today
2017-02-18T18:28:50 < Steffanx> Listening didnt make it better, sorry.
2017-02-18T18:29:07 < ReadError> just wait til after the names
2017-02-18T18:30:52 < Fleck> btw hi Tectu, LeelooMinai
2017-02-18T18:31:36 < Fleck> I don't care about that lunatic LeelooMinai :p
2017-02-18T18:31:59 < Steffanx> Secretly we all do care about dongs, deep deep deep in our heart.
2017-02-18T18:33:22 < Tectu> Hi Fleck
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2017-02-18T19:29:03 < englishman> https://github.com/SirCmpwn/evilpass
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2017-02-18T20:18:18 < kakimir> can I dd the running system to other disk?
2017-02-18T20:18:34 < kakimir> just start it in some minimal configuration
2017-02-18T20:19:03 < kakimir> ?
2017-02-18T20:19:49 < kakimir> hmm
2017-02-18T20:19:59 < kakimir> how does the system likes that root is read only
2017-02-18T20:20:00 < kakimir> ?
2017-02-18T20:20:14 < kakimir> interesting approach
2017-02-18T20:20:31 < kakimir> I boot it after changing /etc/mount ?
2017-02-18T20:20:38 < BrainDamage> a lot of programs will get pretty pissed
2017-02-18T20:20:39 < kakimir> and it will boot read only?
2017-02-18T20:20:48 < BrainDamage> but you'll still be able to dd
2017-02-18T20:20:53 < BrainDamage> and then reboot
2017-02-18T20:21:14 < kakimir> maybe I just look for that live usb somewhere
2017-02-18T20:21:16 < BrainDamage> just reboot after you're done
2017-02-18T20:21:32 < BrainDamage> don't remount as rw
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2017-02-18T20:31:31 < Steffanx> Wouldn't rsync be easier?
2017-02-18T20:31:35 < Steffanx> safer/whatever
2017-02-18T20:32:09 < BrainDamage> it'd be better, but you still want tomount as read only
2017-02-18T20:32:28 < BrainDamage> dd is mostly a meme command
2017-02-18T20:38:09 < upgrdman> anyone know of shit like this, but a little better quality? these often sag and get annoying to open one handed.  https://www.amazon.com/Sterilite-3-Drawer-Organizer-ClearView-White/dp/B000K7RK6A/
2017-02-18T20:40:05 < kakimir> I already live booted
2017-02-18T20:43:46 < kakimir> laptop is of era when there was esata connectors
2017-02-18T20:43:56 < kakimir> - old to say?
2017-02-18T20:44:13 < kakimir> nice system migrations
2017-02-18T20:45:03 < Steffanx> I never had the honour to work with those.
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2017-02-18T20:48:07 < branjb> perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place, but I can't find any examples of lwip using the Cube HAL.  anyone know where I should look?
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2017-02-18T21:17:12 < branjb> STM's website / through the official cube examples
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2017-02-18T21:18:37 < kakimir> flux makes my head hurt
2017-02-18T21:19:58 < branjb> derp
2017-02-18T21:20:03 < branjb> I wasn't looking at middlewares
2017-02-18T21:23:32 < branjb> thanks
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2017-02-18T23:46:59 < kakimir> I need some sd cards for raspi
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2017-02-18T23:47:02 < kakimir> 8gb
2017-02-18T23:47:23 < kakimir> guaranteed function
2017-02-18T23:47:26 < Steffanx> .. 
2017-02-18T23:47:28 < kakimir> cheap
2017-02-18T23:47:34 < Steffanx> Go to a store and get one?
2017-02-18T23:47:55 < Steffanx> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards <-
2017-02-18T23:48:10 < kakimir> I wont go to store
2017-02-18T23:48:28 < kakimir> Steffanx: I did my googlings
2017-02-18T23:48:52 < kakimir> I just assume someone have ordered some cards
2017-02-18T23:49:14 < kakimir> and ended up with okay working cards
2017-02-18T23:53:33 < kakimir> if you look the link
2017-02-18T23:54:01 < kakimir> it says some cards are not compatible
2017-02-18T23:57:13 < Steffanx> Those things are like 5 euro, just buy a few kakimir :)
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2017-02-19T00:00:04 < Steffanx> Welcome, how can we help you on this godly day crt?
2017-02-19T00:02:34 < Steffanx> Excellent
2017-02-19T00:02:47 < kakimir> Steffanx: I did
2017-02-19T00:04:30 < Steffanx> Get cat, open door, put cat in houes friends room, close door.
2017-02-19T00:05:23 < Steffanx> To troll or to be trolled, that is the question.
2017-02-19T00:05:54 < Steffanx> Dont tell me you read logs
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2017-02-19T00:07:19 < kakimir> I need dole
2017-02-19T00:07:36 < Steffanx> Dole
2017-02-19T00:08:20 < kakimir> place that gives money
2017-02-19T00:13:12 < branjb> free bzb book on craigslist
2017-02-19T00:13:49 < kakimir> what is bzb?
2017-02-19T00:14:24 < branjb> it uses a trinary CPU / OS
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2017-02-19T00:22:42 < jadew> looks like I got disconnected and my messages didn't get through...
2017-02-19T00:22:49 < jadew> have you guys had many multimeter leads fail on you?
2017-02-19T00:22:54 < jadew> I just had a surprise with my brymen leads where the wire is broken in one of them
2017-02-19T00:22:57 < jadew> resistance between 5 and 15 Ohms
2017-02-19T00:22:59 < jadew> "
2017-02-19T00:23:30 < branjb> I used a multimeter lead to poke a hole in a dried up bottle of gorilla glue once, ended up hardening over and making it useless
2017-02-19T00:23:56 < jadew> not really a probe failure :)
2017-02-19T00:24:19 < kakimir> not one real multimeter have ever given me any shit
2017-02-19T00:24:32 < kakimir> cheap ones - every single one
2017-02-19T00:24:46 < jadew> the probes?
2017-02-19T00:25:02 < jadew> I think this is the first time I have probes failing
2017-02-19T00:25:12 < jadew> and I've used plenty of cheap ones before
2017-02-19T00:26:41 < branjb> ditto
2017-02-19T00:26:48 < branjb> mine are all $2-3 ebay probes
2017-02-19T00:27:46 < jadew> the good lead's resistance is not far from cheapest ones either
2017-02-19T00:28:10 < jadew> ~0.2 Ohms vs 0.3x on the super cheap ones
2017-02-19T00:28:28 < jadew> and by super cheap, I mean they came with $10 meter
2017-02-19T00:28:34 < jadew> *with a
2017-02-19T00:29:25 < jadew> my good leads have 0.02 each
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2017-02-19T00:39:03 < ReadError> greetings cloners and boners
2017-02-19T00:40:22 < ReadError> whats pumping my friend
2017-02-19T00:40:22 < Steffanx> Hi fellow boner cloner
2017-02-19T00:41:01 < ReadError> 1 more night of work then off for 10 days \o/
2017-02-19T00:42:37 < ReadError> branjb: get a set of probemasters
2017-02-19T00:42:40 < ReadError> they are ace
2017-02-19T00:42:48 < ReadError> sharp enough to do tattoos if you get into a bind
2017-02-19T00:43:20 < Steffanx> Going on holiday ReadError?
2017-02-19T00:43:40 < ReadError> going to fuck around in florida for a bit
2017-02-19T00:43:46 < ReadError> americas shithole
2017-02-19T00:44:08 < Steffanx> Enjoy
2017-02-19T00:45:00 < ReadError> ya should be cool got some crap i need to finish before i leave but got until wed or thurs
2017-02-19T00:46:50 < ReadError> crt: cuz i made something i wanted
2017-02-19T00:46:56 < ReadError> that was based off something he mad
2017-02-19T00:46:56 < ReadError> e
2017-02-19T00:47:12 < ReadError> but improved and open sourced it
2017-02-19T00:47:20 < ReadError> didnt even sell any
2017-02-19T00:47:21 < ReadError> idk
2017-02-19T00:47:42 < ReadError> u should
2017-02-19T00:47:50 < ReadError> i have most faith in u
2017-02-19T00:48:23 < ReadError> wtf r u doing up tho
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2017-02-19T00:50:23 < ReadError> not enough cluegoo/hotsnot
2017-02-19T00:50:28 < ReadError> sure?
2017-02-19T01:00:44 < Steffanx> ... ?
2017-02-19T01:03:04 < zyp> ReadError, what was that?
2017-02-19T01:03:24 < ReadError> zyp: opennaze
2017-02-19T01:03:28 < zyp> oh
2017-02-19T01:03:34 < ReadError> with a not autistic layout 
2017-02-19T01:03:41 < ReadError> pin wise
2017-02-19T01:04:04 < ReadError> then the lulfro mini
2017-02-19T01:05:23 < ReadError> i still have some lulfro minis inuse
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2017-02-19T01:05:48 < zyp> wasn't the naze stuff originally forked off multiwii or something?
2017-02-19T01:06:17 < ReadError> the hardware was from something else
2017-02-19T01:06:25 < ReadError> baseflight was off multiwii
2017-02-19T01:06:36 < ReadError> i think the hardware was off rabbit?
2017-02-19T01:06:43 < ReadError> or freeflight
2017-02-19T01:06:47 < ReadError> i forget
2017-02-19T01:07:28 < zyp> the hardware itself is hardly very special
2017-02-19T01:07:50 < zyp> I mean, it's a mcu and some sensors and connectors on a board
2017-02-19T01:08:32 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Qvj0lDgo/lulfro1.png
2017-02-19T01:08:53 < ReadError> https://photos.smugmug.com/Quads/i-rgcZKjv/0/X2/CA_12031409571622-X2.jpg https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Ew0sWEcK/lulfro2.png
2017-02-19T01:09:16 < Steffanx> Dont we all know dongs isnt always rational :P
2017-02-19T01:09:17 < ReadError> i went on a kick trying to make things really small for a bit
2017-02-19T01:11:50 < zyp> that's a cat.
2017-02-19T01:12:13 < Steffanx> an orange cat.
2017-02-19T01:12:21 < Steffanx> it looks angry, dont bully it crt.
2017-02-19T01:12:23 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ktYHhhpF/opennaze.png
2017-02-19T01:12:31 < ReadError> that was the other one
2017-02-19T01:12:48 < ReadError> duno if your familiar w/ how the naze had stuff but i didnt like 
2017-02-19T01:13:32 < ReadError> LeelooMinai: 
2017-02-19T01:13:39 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XNww4Ray/finger4scale.png
2017-02-19T01:13:50 < ReadError> 0402
2017-02-19T01:14:06 < ReadError> nah 
2017-02-19T01:14:20 < zyp> ReadError, IIRC there were a 2xsomething header for inputs
2017-02-19T01:14:25 < zyp> edge mounted
2017-02-19T01:14:38 < ReadError> yea so no matter which way you mounted it
2017-02-19T01:14:46 < ReadError> there would be shit coming out the side
2017-02-19T01:15:00 < ReadError> ya
2017-02-19T01:15:51 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/v7u1MdYY/trololcopterLD.png
2017-02-19T01:16:03 < ReadError> much eazier
2017-02-19T01:16:55 < zyp> it's a shame I never got anywhere with the firmware for my shit
2017-02-19T01:17:34 < ReadError> cant hardly hear it over the sound of the music
2017-02-19T01:17:47 < ReadError> pumpin & bumpin
2017-02-19T01:17:51 < ReadError> just like crt taught me
2017-02-19T01:18:14 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/sTW8U.JPG
2017-02-19T01:19:04 < zyp> I got to the point where I wrote a usb stack just so I could configure it, and once I had a usb stack, I had a lot of fun making all sorts of other usb devices instead of working on that
2017-02-19T01:19:14 < ReadError> lol
2017-02-19T01:19:22 < ReadError> yea sidetrack easy for me
2017-02-19T01:19:36 < Emil> >wrote a usb stack
2017-02-19T01:19:52 < Emil> damn I wish it would be as easy as aaying thay
2017-02-19T01:20:15 < zyp> it is
2017-02-19T01:20:24 < Emil> zyp: from scratch?
2017-02-19T01:20:30 < zyp> sure
2017-02-19T01:20:33 < Emil> LeelooMinai: please do
2017-02-19T01:20:43 < Emil> zyp: well, not to us mortals, it is not
2017-02-19T01:21:12 < Emil> LeelooMinai: duuuuuu eeeeeet
2017-02-19T01:22:01 < zyp> Emil, I went from about no usb experience at all to a cute little working stack in a fairly short time, a few weeks of sporadic work I guess
2017-02-19T01:22:37 < Emil> zyp: whats your background?
2017-02-19T01:22:50 < Emil> And what resources did you use?
2017-02-19T01:23:14 < Emil> I'm not autistic enough and the amount of tabs would grow exponenyially in a process like tay
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2017-02-19T01:27:15 < zyp> hmm, looking at the git log, it seems like I spent around two months from I first touched the usb periph until I had actual code using it
2017-02-19T01:27:35 < zyp> guess that work was more sporadic than I thought
2017-02-19T01:47:05 < englishman> thanks to stm32 hal i went from zero to usb hero in 7 mouse clicks
2017-02-19T01:48:23 < englishman> yes i have seen the cat
2017-02-19T01:48:27 < zyp> that's still a cat
2017-02-19T01:48:38 < englishman> even though it was hot as fuck today -3C lildongs still didnt want to go outside
2017-02-19T01:49:02 < englishman> zyp i has a new fligt controller http://i.imgur.com/Go9BhKz.jpg
2017-02-19T01:49:12 < englishman> it does cbvs overlay onchip https://www.airdtf.com/shop/image/catalog/seppuku/sepp_flop.webm
2017-02-19T01:49:41 < zyp> cute
2017-02-19T01:51:27 < kakimir> ain't seppuku like the thing when you die?
2017-02-19T01:51:39 < BrainDamage> ritual suicide
2017-02-19T01:53:33 < BrainDamage> you plant a knife in your belly,disembowel yourself, and if you're not in complete disgrace, you'd have an assistant that'd chop your head to end your suffering
2017-02-19T01:53:43 < BrainDamage> otherwise you'll be left to bleed and die
2017-02-19T01:54:19 < BrainDamage> irl?
2017-02-19T01:55:39 < kakimir> seppuku is like first thing you learn when you irc
2017-02-19T01:56:18 < kakimir> *irc outside freenode
2017-02-19T01:57:12 < BrainDamage> クソうぃあぶ
2017-02-19T01:58:47 < BrainDamage> no, literally it's kind of "shit/shitty weaboos", altought I prefer fucking weaboos
2017-02-19T02:01:55 < branjb> ReadError: i see you in every channel on irc
2017-02-19T02:02:12 < ReadError> u following me m8?
2017-02-19T02:02:35 < kakimir> no suprise here that half on channel can write japanise
2017-02-19T02:03:08 < branjb> I didn't know there was an stm channel, get redirected here from ##microcontrollers, and see lads talking about bzb books in here
2017-02-19T02:03:15 < branjb> then an hour later ReadError joins the channel
2017-02-19T02:03:59 < jadew> branjb, he was trying to join microcontrollers too
2017-02-19T02:04:15 < ReadError> I been here a minute
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2017-02-19T02:11:24 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/3fcb818949fc87d371171deab7b3061fef6fae2f6bf9e9b402883447c321066c.png
2017-02-19T02:12:58 < jadew> now I have to click
2017-02-19T02:13:03 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPMKUA8xgAg new sikorsky
2017-02-19T02:14:57 < Laurenceb_> tintin was pretty cool
2017-02-19T02:15:46 < englishman> Laurenceb_: that is not french what is that
2017-02-19T02:16:55 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh7F3PvqOl0 simulator flight
2017-02-19T02:19:20 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/bkIiN3e.jpg
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2017-02-19T02:29:23 < branjb> well
2017-02-19T02:29:28 < branjb> I have about 500 lines of chat
2017-02-19T02:29:36 < branjb> and about 5 were stm32 related
2017-02-19T02:29:40 < branjb> so
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2017-02-19T02:31:08 < branjb> seems like an lrh extension channel
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2017-02-19T02:32:15 < jadew> lrh?
2017-02-19T02:32:30 < sync_> l0de radio hour
2017-02-19T02:33:06 < ReadError> branjb: wait till r2com gets in
2017-02-19T02:33:15 < ReadError> it will go full blow fags/trannies quick
2017-02-19T02:33:22 < ReadError> hes obsessed 
2017-02-19T02:33:41 < ReadError> lol hardy
2017-02-19T02:34:28 < ReadError> hes probably going to go sign up for the national guard on tuesday
2017-02-19T02:34:35 < ReadError> just to help boot illegals out
2017-02-19T02:35:13 < ReadError> they are issuing everyone a piece of cardboard
2017-02-19T02:35:18 < ReadError> if your darker, you go
2017-02-19T02:35:26 < ReadError> apparently 
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2017-02-19T02:36:10 < jadew> he's only here to practice his english for when he lands?
2017-02-19T02:36:59 < BrainDamage> branjb: the SNR is pretty low, but if you ask a question, unless someone went full autism on a discussion, you'll generally have an answer
2017-02-19T02:38:27 < Laurenceb_> we discuss stm32 if appropriate
2017-02-19T02:38:36 < Laurenceb_> rest of the time we assburger
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2017-02-19T02:43:20 < jadew> speaking of rest, I'm off to bed o/
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2017-02-19T02:52:10 < branjb> lol
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2017-02-19T03:04:14 < branjb> ITT bankruptcy best thing ever
2017-02-19T03:11:47 < englishman> branjb: chan quality changes throughout the day, depending on who is present
2017-02-19T03:11:59 < englishman> what is your stm32 project
2017-02-19T03:13:44 < branjb> not sure if we're gonna go with an stm32 yet for our project, was gonna prototype it to try to convince people
2017-02-19T03:14:10 < branjb> basically a pan/tilt gimbal controlled via ethernet
2017-02-19T03:15:28 < englishman> sounds like an easy copypaste
2017-02-19T03:15:35 < englishman> what is your alternative to stm32
2017-02-19T03:15:42 < englishman> and why is it the wrong choice
2017-02-19T03:16:02 < BrainDamage> arduino because of more copypaste available? :p
2017-02-19T03:16:11 < branjb> it's more complicated than that
2017-02-19T03:16:16 < branjb> but that's the gist of it
2017-02-19T03:16:49 < branjb> it needs to operate at 5000m below sea level
2017-02-19T03:16:58 < englishman> cool
2017-02-19T03:16:59 < branjb> so a bunch of components don't work under that pressure
2017-02-19T03:17:02 < englishman> sounds pro
2017-02-19T03:17:29 < englishman> its the little details that count
2017-02-19T03:17:56 < branjb> but yeah the ME team I am working with are like "lets just buy some arduinos and put them in a box and how could that be complicated?"
2017-02-19T03:17:58 < englishman> do all ROV stuff just run 100mbit + PoE down to the submersible
2017-02-19T03:18:28 < branjb> it's replacing a pan/tilt system thats running on rs232
2017-02-19T03:18:36 < branjb> tether has fiber that goes down to ROV
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2017-02-19T03:18:44 < englishman> cool
2017-02-19T03:18:46 < branjb> breaks it out to various protocols in some router
2017-02-19T03:18:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> Why do I have 0.5 Mohm resistors in the loose resistors box
2017-02-19T03:21:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> ok, bugger it. I'll just use 2 470s
2017-02-19T03:22:28 < branjb> but trying to determine if there is a need for an RTOS and actual control logic, or if it can be half assed with an 8 bitter and offload the ethernet mac/phy to something else
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2017-02-19T03:23:27 < englishman> brushless?
2017-02-19T03:23:33 < englishman> or servo
2017-02-19T03:24:44 < branjb> i don't even know anymore; originally was servo/stepper, but the MEs found or want to use a ball/joint motor
2017-02-19T03:24:49 < branjb> and I asked them what it was
2017-02-19T03:24:55 < branjb> and they weren't sure yet
2017-02-19T03:24:58 < branjb> I don't think it exists
2017-02-19T03:25:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> Make sure you laugh and pint at the MEs
2017-02-19T03:25:17 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-19T03:25:19 < branjb> it's a shit show
2017-02-19T03:25:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> Is this for the robosub competition?
2017-02-19T03:27:01 < branjb> The proposed program for solving the problem of air pockets stuck pan-and-tilt actuator
2017-02-19T03:27:01 < branjb> systems would be solved by using a ball and socket joint or a saddle joint, depending on the preferred
2017-02-19T03:27:01 < branjb> method after analysis.
2017-02-19T03:27:12 < branjb> no it's a shitty capstone project 
2017-02-19T03:27:51 < branjb> that's from the MEs proposal, it doesn't mention how you actually control something with that kind of joint
2017-02-19T03:28:45 < englishman> ohh university proj
2017-02-19T03:28:47 < englishman> yer fucked m8
2017-02-19T03:28:53 < branjb> ya
2017-02-19T03:29:04 < englishman> dont worry tho everyone graduates
2017-02-19T03:29:22 < branjb> as far as i'm concerned i just need to make a blackbox that takes in EMU data, and pan/tilt degrees, then outputs step/dir signals
2017-02-19T03:29:29 < branjb> IMU*
2017-02-19T03:29:33 < englishman> you just wont be able to hold your chin up and talk about your capstone prokect
2017-02-19T03:29:36 < englishman> also, its feb
2017-02-19T03:29:43 < englishman> this is september discussion
2017-02-19T03:29:52 < branjb> lol
2017-02-19T03:30:32 < branjb> i'm not that worried been working for years already, just formally finishing the piece of paper part
2017-02-19T03:31:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'll let you in on a secret
2017-02-19T03:31:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> Most capstone projects fail
2017-02-19T03:31:34 < branjb> ya
2017-02-19T03:31:39 < branjb> just need to document the failure
2017-02-19T03:31:45 < branjb> A+
2017-02-19T03:33:30 < BrainDamage> documented failures are still useful
2017-02-19T03:33:36 < BrainDamage> you know how not to do things
2017-02-19T03:33:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> Second secret: Nobody will ever read your final report
2017-02-19T03:33:50 < Jak_o_Shadows> After it gets marked anyway
2017-02-19T03:34:15 < BrainDamage> I did read some thesis actually
2017-02-19T03:34:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> If your project is continued by another group? They'll lose the pdf they were given a month in, and struggle.
2017-02-19T03:36:51 < branjb> haha
2017-02-19T03:37:02 < branjb> i learned the no one reads reports years ago
2017-02-19T03:37:13 < branjb> when i'd turn in shit that visually looked nice
2017-02-19T03:37:20 < branjb> and would get good marks
2017-02-19T03:38:46 < munki> I'm getting this weird output on an SPI slave MISO pin: http://i.imgur.com/j5U7DJ3.jpg Any ideas as to what could be wrong?
2017-02-19T03:40:51 < branjb> that doesn't look right
2017-02-19T03:41:16 < munki> agreed. 
2017-02-19T03:42:13 < munki> (ch2 blue is the SCLK)
2017-02-19T03:42:14 < branjb> i mean, you can see where there are supposed to be bytes
2017-02-19T03:42:16 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-19T03:43:17 < branjb> maybe some kind of weird capacitance thing
2017-02-19T03:43:28 < branjb> you shorting somewhere?
2017-02-19T03:43:30 < munki> i'm just interfacing with a SPI IC on a protoboard
2017-02-19T03:43:52 < branjb> do you have a pullup on miso?
2017-02-19T03:43:56 < munki> no
2017-02-19T03:44:18 < munki> i can prob just configure that from the board though right
2017-02-19T03:44:50 < branjb> what are you talking to on spi?
2017-02-19T03:44:55 < branjb> or just testing the protocol?
2017-02-19T03:45:03 < munki> mpc23s17 serial IO expander
2017-02-19T03:45:19 < munki> *mcp23s17
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2017-02-19T03:49:08 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/og31e
2017-02-19T03:49:13 < branjb> that was from the datasheet
2017-02-19T03:49:21 < branjb> maybe copy that
2017-02-19T03:49:43 < munki> that looks like for the i2c bus
2017-02-19T03:49:48 < munki> do yhou think it's the same as the spi bus?
2017-02-19T03:50:02 < branjb> the datasheet barely talks about the spi bus
2017-02-19T03:50:05 < branjb> and no reference schematic
2017-02-19T03:50:11 < munki> yeah
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2017-02-19T03:51:03 < branjb> double check grounds and v+ and such
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2017-02-19T03:52:00 < branjb> lemme know what fixes it though
2017-02-19T03:52:02 < branjb> i'm curious
2017-02-19T03:52:32 < munki> Vdd 4.7v, Vss 2mv
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2017-02-19T03:59:18 < branjb> you have mosi to mosi and miso to miso?
2017-02-19T04:03:00 < munki>  i have pin14 SO to SPI1_MISO PA6 and pin13 SI to SPI1_MOSI PA7
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2017-02-19T04:04:41 < branjb> sounds right
2017-02-19T04:04:59 < branjb> what uC?
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2017-02-19T04:07:13 < munki> stm32f4discovery
2017-02-19T04:07:18 < munki> which is stm32f407vg
2017-02-19T04:09:57 < branjb> you using HAL or spl?
2017-02-19T04:10:14 < munki> HAL
2017-02-19T04:10:18 < munki> just os i'm not insane
2017-02-19T04:10:21 < branjb> set up via cube?
2017-02-19T04:10:33 < munki> i want /RESET to be low, right
2017-02-19T04:10:40 < branjb> no
2017-02-19T04:10:48 < munki> 1 moment
2017-02-19T04:10:59 < munki> and yes via cube
2017-02-19T04:11:01 < branjb> reset should be high except when actually reseting
2017-02-19T04:11:27 < munki> right
2017-02-19T04:11:35 < munki> that's wht i had until i changed it a few moments ago
2017-02-19T04:13:14 < branjb> how does mosi line look?
2017-02-19T04:15:08 < munki> looks exactly right. http://i.imgur.com/yHNYSdO.jpg after 3.3k pullup on miso, this is mosi http://i.imgur.com/VV4yUKV.jpg
2017-02-19T04:15:15 < munki> but miso still fked
2017-02-19T04:16:39 < branjb> you only have one mcp23017 or can you swap another in?
2017-02-19T04:16:50 < munki> i have another one 
2017-02-19T04:17:04 < munki> lets try
2017-02-19T04:17:41 < branjb> oh
2017-02-19T04:17:52 < branjb> what is your sclk freq?
2017-02-19T04:18:21 < munki> i'm not 100% certain but i am using PRESCALER_16
2017-02-19T04:19:02 < branjb> just check it with the scope
2017-02-19T04:19:35 < munki> 780khz
2017-02-19T04:19:38 < branjb> k
2017-02-19T04:20:08 < munki> i just dropped it to 390khz
2017-02-19T04:20:25 < branjb> datasheet says 10 mhz max
2017-02-19T04:20:32 < branjb> so that shouldn't be an issue
2017-02-19T04:20:55 < branjb> i'd try swapping a new chip and see if it works
2017-02-19T04:21:44 < munki> i did and it's the exact same
2017-02-19T04:22:18 < branjb> is your /cs low when talking to it?
2017-02-19T04:23:40 < munki> whoa
2017-02-19T04:23:42 < munki> looks really weird
2017-02-19T04:23:49 < munki> i'm using hardware NSS
2017-02-19T04:23:58 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/4zE5x
2017-02-19T04:23:59 < munki> which i believe is the /CS for the peripheral right
2017-02-19T04:24:03 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-19T04:24:09 < munki> it's going nuts
2017-02-19T04:24:19 < branjb> " When using SPI Mode 1,1 the CS pin needs to be toggled once before the first communication after
2017-02-19T04:24:19 < branjb> power-up"
2017-02-19T04:25:22 < munki> http://i.imgur.com/vNWWE3C.jpg
2017-02-19T04:25:36 < munki> thats the harswa
2017-02-19T04:25:42 < munki> hardware nss output
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2017-02-19T04:26:16 < munki> maybe i'll try managing it myself
2017-02-19T04:26:29 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-19T04:26:36 < branjb> just toggle it once at init
2017-02-19T04:26:39 < branjb> then keep it pulled low
2017-02-19T04:26:49 < munki> be back in 10 i'll try it out
2017-02-19T04:26:55 < branjb> you can prob even manually do it
2017-02-19T04:26:59 < munki> heh
2017-02-19T04:27:04 < branjb> just tap it to vdd
2017-02-19T04:27:08 < branjb> then to gnd
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2017-02-19T04:31:29 < munki> ok now /CS looks good
2017-02-19T04:31:34 < munki> with respect to SCLK
2017-02-19T04:31:52 < branjb> miso still the same?
2017-02-19T04:35:09 < munki> now i'm getting nothing at all from MISO
2017-02-19T04:35:12 < munki> ._.
2017-02-19T04:35:35 < branjb> is it high or low?
2017-02-19T04:36:06 < dongs>  < munki> hardware nss output
2017-02-19T04:36:06 < munki> interesting
2017-02-19T04:36:13 < dongs> I don't think I've *ever* seen ahrdware nss work on STM
2017-02-19T04:36:17 < branjb> lol
2017-02-19T04:36:24 < munki> i set my scope to trigger from on MISO 
2017-02-19T04:37:24 < munki> hm
2017-02-19T04:37:30 < munki> anyways MISO is staying high
2017-02-19T04:37:51 < munki> even when i clock bytes out of it after sending it a read byte over MOSI
2017-02-19T04:37:52 < branjb> how are you addressing it/sending it opcodes?
2017-02-19T04:38:34 < branjb> i hate microchips datasheets
2017-02-19T04:39:03 < munki> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6bc583383e8a11591166b50b6a07e782
2017-02-19T04:39:52 < branjb> read byte from ds is: 0 1 0 0 A2 A1 A0 1
2017-02-19T04:40:02 < munki> that's what i have
2017-02-19T04:40:12 < munki> i have a0-a1 tied to vdd
2017-02-19T04:40:13 < branjb> how do you know that the chip is 1 1 1?  is that set by external pins?
2017-02-19T04:40:14 < munki> er
2017-02-19T04:40:15 < branjb> k
2017-02-19T04:40:16 < munki> a0-a2
2017-02-19T04:40:57 < branjb> just for shits try sending it 01000001 and monitoring miso
2017-02-19T04:41:08 < munki> k
2017-02-19T04:41:29 < munki> same thing, holding high
2017-02-19T04:43:18 < branjb> makes no sense
2017-02-19T04:43:18 < dongs> your reply should be on 2nd byte you know
2017-02-19T04:44:14 < munki> i'm not sure i understand dongs 
2017-02-19T04:44:20 < munki> i send read control byte
2017-02-19T04:44:22 < munki> and address
2017-02-19T04:44:31 < munki> i receive contents at that address
2017-02-19T04:44:33 < munki> right?
2017-02-19T04:44:42 < dongs> you need to keep clocking scl sending dummy shit
2017-02-19T04:44:44 < dongs> for the replies.
2017-02-19T04:44:58 < branjb> try sending them as two bytes in one spi transaction
2017-02-19T04:45:11 < branjb> so buf[0] = read cmd, buf[1] = addr
2017-02-19T04:45:24 < branjb> maybe HAL is doing something weird
2017-02-19T04:45:48 < dongs> are you fucking using hal
2017-02-19T04:45:51 < branjb> is your scope 2 ch only?
2017-02-19T04:45:51 < branjb> lol
2017-02-19T04:46:22 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/6EYpGV83.html if you've properly configured SPI peripheral, this is all you need to send/receive a byte over it, HAL or not
2017-02-19T04:46:29 < branjb> check mosi and make sure the read byte and addr byte are both going out
2017-02-19T04:46:55 < dongs> so to send your shit, you'll do spiTransfer(control); spiTransfer(address); reply1 = spiTransfer(0xAA); reply2 = spiTransfer(0xAA);
2017-02-19T04:47:16 < englishman> isnt hardware nss slave only
2017-02-19T04:47:17 < dongs> or use wehaetver equivaslent hal thing is
2017-02-19T04:47:34 < dongs> englishman: it doesn't matter there either, for example SPI slave DMA will start clocking as soon as clock toggles
2017-02-19T04:47:38 < dongs> so no need for hwardware NSS at all
2017-02-19T04:47:49 < englishman> nice
2017-02-19T04:49:03 < munki> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a4be70aff6a688bdffd0a740fcae7cc2 new code, this is SCLK and MOSI http://i.imgur.com/648zwHs.jpg SCLK and MISO http://i.imgur.com/oyKTd7U.jpg
2017-02-19T04:50:21 < branjb> bring buf[0] back to 01001111
2017-02-19T04:50:21 < munki> after removing r+c from miso http://i.imgur.com/VP2ZZUu.jpg
2017-02-19T04:51:09 < branjb> what are you expecting back from addr 09?  0x00?
2017-02-19T04:51:42 < munki> yes i believe so
2017-02-19T04:51:51 < branjb> are they grounded or floating?
2017-02-19T04:51:51 < munki> i'll try something like 0x10 which defaults to 0xff
2017-02-19T04:53:25 < branjb> also, in your init code, does cs go high to low to high at least once before the first read request?
2017-02-19T04:53:34 < branjb> ds said it should be toggled at powerup
2017-02-19T04:53:35 < munki> HAL_GPIO_WritePin(GPIOA, GPIO_PIN_4, GPIO_PIN_RESET);
2017-02-19T04:53:35 < munki> 	HAL_Delay(10);
2017-02-19T04:53:36 < munki> 	HAL_GPIO_WritePin(GPIOA, GPIO_PIN_4, GPIO_PIN_RESET);
2017-02-19T04:53:50 < munki> WHOOPS
2017-02-19T04:53:52 < branjb> lol
2017-02-19T04:54:42 < munki> hmm still
2017-02-19T04:56:19 < munki> let me put a breakpoint and see what it's reading
2017-02-19T04:57:19 < dongs> good job
2017-02-19T04:57:46 < dongs> also, you probably want a delay AFTER you fix clearing reset pin to let device time to reset.
2017-02-19T05:01:04 < munki> it just gives me 0xff even though it should be 0x00
2017-02-19T05:01:11 < munki> for default 0x09 register
2017-02-19T05:01:45 < dongs> ff just sounds like its not replying
2017-02-19T05:02:08 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/jckbkrrr/status/833071267381129216 lul
2017-02-19T05:04:40 < branjb> munki maybe try putting a2, a1, a0 tied to gnd and then change the control byte back to 01000001
2017-02-19T05:05:01 < munki> k
2017-02-19T05:05:13 < branjb> some obscure forum post saying that changing his chip to 000 fixed it
2017-02-19T05:08:23 < munki> i made a little gif of what i'm reading on MOSI
2017-02-19T05:08:24 < munki> er
2017-02-19T05:08:25 < munki> MISO
2017-02-19T05:08:37 < munki> http://i.imgur.com/l733iEf.gif
2017-02-19T05:08:52 < munki> http://i.imgur.com/l733iEf.gifv works better
2017-02-19T05:09:29 < munki> first 16 clock pulses is me sending 0x41 0x09, next 16 is me receiving
2017-02-19T05:09:42 < munki> none of this shit makes any sense -_-
2017-02-19T05:10:34 < branjb> do you have to send a configure byte to the chip to tell it if pins are inputs or outputs first?
2017-02-19T05:10:55 < munki> yes but there is an on-reset confiruation that i'm trying to read first
2017-02-19T05:11:09 < munki> just to make sure i can read and write to registers before i actually do anything with it
2017-02-19T05:11:27 < branjb> ah
2017-02-19T05:15:13 < branjb> https://github.com/dreamcat4/Mcp23s17/blob/master/Mcp23s17.cpp looking at this shitty arduino class it looks like it should be that simple
2017-02-19T05:15:38 < branjb> toggle CS at powerup, send control byte, send addr, receiver 2 bytes back
2017-02-19T05:17:05 < munki> so let's just go through my main fn
2017-02-19T05:17:12 < branjb> pastebin your main.c
2017-02-19T05:17:15 < munki> ok
2017-02-19T05:18:23 < munki> http://pastebin.com/hwu0TvQf
2017-02-19T05:19:04 < munki> ignore the transmitData fn i currently do not use it
2017-02-19T05:19:09 < branjb> k
2017-02-19T05:20:16 < munki> http://pastebin.com/qxLM1RAq 
2017-02-19T05:20:24 < munki> here is the SPI init from cubemx
2017-02-19T05:20:31 < munki> i took out the NSS feature
2017-02-19T05:21:34 < munki> PD12 is just a flashing LED i use to know whether the thing is on or not
2017-02-19T05:23:04 < branjb> a2 a1 a0 are tied to gnd atm?
2017-02-19T05:23:15 < ohsix> eh-o
2017-02-19T05:23:33 < ohsix> can you put what you're doing in one line so i can be caught up
2017-02-19T05:23:39 < munki> branjb: yes
2017-02-19T05:23:43 < ohsix> and with all the fiddling, do you have a logic analyzer
2017-02-19T05:23:49 < munki> no :\ only oscope
2017-02-19T05:24:08 < branjb> what is pin 12, reset?
2017-02-19T05:24:10 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-19T05:24:14 < ohsix> k
2017-02-19T05:24:15 < branjb> on port d
2017-02-19T05:24:18 < munki> ohsix: i am trying to use the SPI peripheral of the stm32f4discovery to interface with an mcp23s17 gpio expander
2017-02-19T05:24:24 < munki> branjb: 21:21 < munki> PD12 is just a flashing LED i use to know whether the thing is
2017-02-19T05:24:24 < munki>                on or not
2017-02-19T05:24:28 < branjb> ah
2017-02-19T05:24:30 < ohsix> munki: there are clones of the saleae logic analyzers that are 5bux, and worth having around
2017-02-19T05:24:45 < munki> ohsix: yep i bought one on ebay yesterday and hopefully will get it next month
2017-02-19T05:24:46 < ohsix> oic, ies your scope 2+ channel?
2017-02-19T05:24:46 < munki> hahaha
2017-02-19T05:24:50 < munki> ohsix: only 2 ch
2017-02-19T05:24:52 < ohsix> k
2017-02-19T05:25:02 < munki> with ext trig but i'm not sure how useful that is
2017-02-19T05:25:18 < ohsix> have you already got it to send clock and something like 0xAA to see if it is doing basic stuff right
2017-02-19T05:25:33 < munki> ohsix: i have verified that i am sending it signals but i am not getting anything useful back
2017-02-19T05:25:38 < ohsix> k
2017-02-19T05:25:39 < branjb> his mosi and sck line seem to be fine
2017-02-19T05:25:46 < munki> as well as /CS
2017-02-19T05:26:03 < branjb> port a pin 4 is your cs right?
2017-02-19T05:26:14 < munki> yes
2017-02-19T05:26:42 < munki> i added a memset(buffer,0,10) after the transmit sequence
2017-02-19T05:26:51 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CY7C68013A-56-EZ-USB-FX2LP-USB2-0-Develope-Board-Module-Logic-Analyzer-EEPROM-AX-/112088385300?hash=item1a18fd0714:g:PNAAAOSwV0RXqi3D these work as an lafw logic analyzer too (like the old saleae) and you get an fx2 dev board olol
2017-02-19T05:26:54 < munki> because it appears that it sends that out even if you only ask to receive
2017-02-19T05:27:55 < branjb> what happens if you remove the 3 transmit lines and memset and just try HAL_SPI_Receive ?
2017-02-19T05:28:09 < branjb> since it sends the buffer anyway
2017-02-19T05:28:10 < munki> let's see. it should be nothing right
2017-02-19T05:28:16 < branjb> not familiar with how HAL spi works
2017-02-19T05:28:20 < munki> or i oculd use SPI_TransmitReceive
2017-02-19T05:28:24 < branjb> try that
2017-02-19T05:28:48 < branjb> but really that shouldn't matter because you don't see anything come back on miso on the scope
2017-02-19T05:30:02 < branjb> it seems like your spi peripheral is set up and sending the right signals but your mcp isn't replying.  you double check orientation and pinout?
2017-02-19T05:30:43 < munki> i'll try to disconnect and reconnect everything 
2017-02-19T05:30:46 < munki> 1 moment
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2017-02-19T05:39:08 < branjb> are you MSB or LSB on spi?
2017-02-19T05:39:26 < munki>   hspi1.Init.FirstBit = SPI_FIRSTBIT_MSB;
2017-02-19T05:39:39 < branjb> k
2017-02-19T05:39:47 < branjb> data size 8 bits?
2017-02-19T05:40:00 < branjb> and clock polarity high?
2017-02-19T05:40:06 < branjb> just looking at cube settings
2017-02-19T05:40:21 < ohsix> hm there's an LED inside the calculator i go ttoday
2017-02-19T05:41:08 < ohsix> huhuh looks like it might be for the battery
2017-02-19T05:44:54 < dongs> Peter_M: boop
2017-02-19T05:45:12 < dongs> what wattage should that triac gate resistor be
2017-02-19T05:45:18 < dongs> gonna try to nigger up some through-hole shit
2017-02-19T05:45:56 < munki> branjb: i have clock polarity low
2017-02-19T05:46:07 < munki> i will set to high
2017-02-19T05:46:14 < branjb> datasheet timing diagram says high
2017-02-19T05:46:21 < munki> http://i.imgur.com/oDkf0QZ.jpg
2017-02-19T05:46:30 < munki> just rewired everything
2017-02-19T05:48:12 < branjb> looks right
2017-02-19T05:48:39 < branjb> you verify vss and vdd with a meter?
2017-02-19T05:48:47 < branjb> or scope
2017-02-19T05:49:20 < munki> 4.7v
2017-02-19T05:49:25 < munki> between vdd and vss
2017-02-19T05:50:03 < munki>  /RESET is at 3v
2017-02-19T05:50:32 < branjb> i wonder if that's it
2017-02-19T05:50:41 < branjb> low should be like 2.4v
2017-02-19T05:51:18 < branjb> so 3v should still be high
2017-02-19T05:51:32 < munki> i thought !reset should = 1
2017-02-19T05:51:37 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-19T05:51:40 < branjb> it should
2017-02-19T05:51:51 < munki> that's correct then right
2017-02-19T05:52:00 < branjb> stm32 is 3.3 so it won't be able to do vdd on the reset line
2017-02-19T05:52:05 < munki> i see
2017-02-19T05:52:06 < branjb> but yeah 3v should be considered 1
2017-02-19T05:52:13 < munki> i will just connect it to vdd then
2017-02-19T05:52:34 < branjb> but then you can't toggle reset on power up
2017-02-19T05:53:24 < branjb> i think 3v on reset is fine
2017-02-19T05:53:28 < branjb> even though ds does not say
2017-02-19T05:54:06 < branjb> but yeah try reset on vdd
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2017-02-19T06:05:08 < munki> yea this is mega lame
2017-02-19T06:05:17 < munki> perfect signals on SCLK and MOSI
2017-02-19T06:05:22 < munki> nothing on MISO
2017-02-19T06:05:33 < englishman> whas the other chip?
2017-02-19T06:05:51 < englishman> do you have a logic analuzer or just a scope
2017-02-19T06:06:08 < munki> just a scope atm
2017-02-19T06:06:16 < munki> logi canalyzer ordered
2017-02-19T06:06:21 < englishman> any decoupling on that breadboarded cerdip
2017-02-19T06:06:22 < munki> the other chip is a mcp23s17
2017-02-19T06:06:38 < munki> not sure what decoupling means in this context
2017-02-19T06:06:53 < ohsix> hueourh if there isn't just a basic problem, i'd try lowering the clock speeds and maybe bitbanging it
2017-02-19T06:06:56 < branjb> munki I just tested your code on an stm32f7 and sent those 2 bytes to another uC just fine
2017-02-19T06:07:01 < ohsix> since spi junk can run real slow just fine
2017-02-19T06:07:25 < ohsix> and spi peripherals usually have a decent way to set the clock rate, you can start slow and make it more visible
2017-02-19T06:08:07 < munki> i currently have it down to PRESCALER_64
2017-02-19T06:08:09 < munki> which takes it down to like
2017-02-19T06:08:15 < munki> 190khz on the clk
2017-02-19T06:08:19 < branjb> lol
2017-02-19T06:08:38 < englishman> powered on 3v3 or 5v
2017-02-19T06:08:41 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-19T06:10:28 < munki> so the long term goal is to interface this GPIO expander with a yamaha OP-M fm synth chip. The main issue is that guy requires 5V i/o
2017-02-19T06:10:54 < munki> so i want to power this GPIO expander with 5v from my stm32, which runs at 3v
2017-02-19T06:10:55 < munki> 3
2017-02-19T06:11:02 < ohsix> word
2017-02-19T06:11:07 < englishman> yea so youll need a level shifter
2017-02-19T06:11:08 < dongs> ..
2017-02-19T06:11:22 < englishman> vih = 0.8*vdd
2017-02-19T06:11:29 < ohsix> can you do it with a shift register and pull up
2017-02-19T06:11:31 < englishman> stm32 will never trigger it with pushpull
2017-02-19T06:12:01 < englishman> *if* you want to use this specific part
2017-02-19T06:12:17 < ohsix> you know what you need to do munki
2017-02-19T06:12:22 < englishman> or od + pullup then you are limited to being slow
2017-02-19T06:12:25 < ohsix> get the code from mame for the op-m, and emulate it
2017-02-19T06:13:03 < ohsix> you can still use the DAC :D
2017-02-19T06:13:15 < munki> englishman: interesting
2017-02-19T06:13:38 < ohsix> https://vgmrips.net/wiki/Yamaha_YM2151 https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/master/src/devices/sound/ym2151.cpp
2017-02-19T06:14:40 < munki> englishman: i will try setting GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_LOW, GPIO_PULLUP, GPIO_MODE_AF_OD
2017-02-19T06:14:56 < englishman> well, where does that gpio_pullup go?
2017-02-19T06:14:59 < englishman> it goes to 3v3
2017-02-19T06:15:22 < englishman> as evidenced in the datasheet
2017-02-19T06:16:20 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72p7s6maECo
2017-02-19T06:17:15 < Peter_M> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBENdLawhiU 
2017-02-19T06:17:20 < dongs> dongs
2017-02-19T06:17:29 < dongs> Peter_M: waht wattage gate resistor?
2017-02-19T06:17:31 < dongs> for that triac
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2017-02-19T06:20:23 < ohsix> not a link dump
2017-02-19T06:20:27 < ohsix> make stm32 great again
2017-02-19T06:20:33 < Peter_M> io think 0805s should be enough
2017-02-19T06:20:49 < ohsix> but, trumpwave > the other one
2017-02-19T06:21:20 < dongs> Peter_M: ok. nigga gonna go to market and try to find some.
2017-02-19T06:21:27 < dongs> just solder them between the legs of triac, its TO252 or someshit
2017-02-19T06:21:49 < dongs> also apaprently he's swtching 800W load with non-zero crossing opto driver
2017-02-19T06:21:54 < Peter_M> for the values of resistor i gave atleast
2017-02-19T06:22:12 < dongs> 80)W resistive load that is
2017-02-19T06:22:34 < Peter_M> 1/4w axial will be easier to handsodler for dumbcunt and should easily be sufficient too if he cant 0805
2017-02-19T06:22:46 < dongs> yeah but theres a fucking heatsink on the triacs
2017-02-19T06:22:54 < dongs> i told the fucker to just use dip but he says afraid it will touch heatsink
2017-02-19T06:26:36 < Peter_M> i assume because hes switchign a 800w resistive load with non-zero crossing hes jsut doign on-off control or dutycycle control, rather than phase angle?
2017-02-19T06:26:45 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-19T06:27:06 < dongs> there's 3 modes, full on, 50%, 80% duty
2017-02-19T06:27:09 < dongs> with period of about 100ms
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2017-02-19T06:29:39 < ohsix> the way you enter junk in the ti-36x pro, by hitting the button multiple times, is p. kewl
2017-02-19T06:30:08 < ohsix> "i've got a purple dome that needs a home"
2017-02-19T06:31:20 < munki> hmm, so it seems my only option now is to use a level shifter or something and just treat one of the GPIO buses as a parallel port to interface with this fm synth IC
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2017-02-19T06:35:50 < dongs> yes
2017-02-19T06:36:00 < munki> or i guess i could just add pullup resistors to each line of the SPI bus?
2017-02-19T06:36:00 < dongs> why the shit would you even waste time on a fucking arduino gpio expander
2017-02-19T06:36:09 < munki> LOL
2017-02-19T06:36:25 < munki> tbh this is like my first stm32 project
2017-02-19T06:36:41 < dongs> first stm32 projects should lways involve line AC
2017-02-19T06:36:47 < dongs> then it will be your first and last
2017-02-19T06:36:55 < munki> lol
2017-02-19T06:37:05 < munki> do you ever go to #electronics on efnet
2017-02-19T06:37:10 < dongs> yes
2017-02-19T06:37:13 < dongs> i troll there all the time
2017-02-19T06:37:19 < munki> do you know timecop
2017-02-19T06:37:27 < dongs> yea thats me
2017-02-19T06:37:29 < munki> hahahaha
2017-02-19T06:37:34 < munki> legit
2017-02-19T06:37:41 < munki> you know synth? he's one of my best m8s irl
2017-02-19T06:37:52 < dongs> he's kinda a pumper but yeah
2017-02-19T06:38:05 < munki> ya i was a pumper back in the day like 10y ago possibly
2017-02-19T06:38:06 < munki> lol
2017-02-19T06:39:01 < munki> i bet i could just nig up a level shifter with some transistors
2017-02-19T06:40:09 < munki> for the discovery?
2017-02-19T06:40:45 < dongs> I think he's referring to gushh.net/tmp/arduinoshield.png
2017-02-19T06:40:56 < dongs> http://gushh.net/tmp/arduinoshield.png might help if its a clickable link
2017-02-19T06:41:08 < munki> ya i'd use that
2017-02-19T06:41:23 < dongs> I bought some weird FM chips that were used in ancient jap phone
2017-02-19T06:41:26 < ohsix> munki: emulate it
2017-02-19T06:41:55 < dongs> YFM765
2017-02-19T06:41:56 < dongs> no, ibought one
2017-02-19T06:42:43 < munki> ohsix: i should but there's a bunch of sw implementations of these
2017-02-19T06:42:58 < munki> i bought the IC and want to wire up some switches and knobs and shit
2017-02-19T06:43:08 < ohsix> word
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2017-02-19T06:44:18 < dongs> YMU765 
2017-02-19T06:44:47 < dongs> thats probly way better than OPL
2017-02-19T06:44:53 < ohsix> i got a music thing i'm doing
2017-02-19T06:45:15 < ohsix> it is supposed to generate noise directly but it is looking easier to generate midi even if it is connected to another mcu that's making noise
2017-02-19T06:45:52 < dongs> munki: you should drive that OPL shit using FSMC
2017-02-19T06:45:55 < dongs> thats what its for , after all
2017-02-19T06:45:55 < ohsix> http://nfggames.com/x68000/Development/datasheets/YM2151%20User%20Manual.pdf hm heh, you don't even need the mame code
2017-02-19T06:46:22 < dongs> so you can just address a memory region to read/write stuff
2017-02-19T06:46:34 < munki> interesting
2017-02-19T06:46:36 < dongs> and it will handle setting CS/WR/RD etc stuff autoamtically
2017-02-19T06:46:38 < munki> but still need a level shifter
2017-02-19T06:46:46 < munki> i will look into that, looks pretty legit
2017-02-19T06:46:49 < munki> i was planning on having to bit bang it
2017-02-19T06:47:02 < dongs> TXB0108 for 8 bits of shifting
2017-02-19T06:47:08 < dongs> and TXB0104 for 4 bits
2017-02-19T06:47:21 < dongs> bidirectional etc so just put it inline wiht signals and done
2017-02-19T06:47:36 < ohsix> munki: it looks like the opm will accept 3v3 logic levels on the clock and data pinz as high
2017-02-19T06:47:57 < ohsix> and it outputs 2.4v as logic level 1
2017-02-19T06:48:07 < dongs> https://www.adafruit.com/product/395
2017-02-19T06:48:11 < dongs> 8 fucken dollars, fuck me
2017-02-19T06:48:11 < munki> ohsix: i am seeing Vdd min 4.75 max 5.25
2017-02-19T06:48:21 < ohsix> that's Vdd, go down a page
2017-02-19T06:48:31 < ohsix> clock, ALL INPUT / ALL OUTPUT
2017-02-19T06:49:09 < englishman> hey i used one of those last week for microsd
2017-02-19T06:49:14 < munki> interesting
2017-02-19T06:49:21 < munki> that should work directly with FSMC then
2017-02-19T06:49:30 < ohsix> or just bit bang on the ports, ya
2017-02-19T06:49:54 < ohsix> munki: for logic levels this is usually how stuff goes
2017-02-19T06:49:58 < munki> alright, i have monday off so i'll have something to work on for the rest of the weekend
2017-02-19T06:50:00 < englishman> this chan is the real, non-troll ##electronics
2017-02-19T06:50:01 < ohsix> then it can work with other than ttl
2017-02-19T06:50:12 < ohsix> but still with ttl
2017-02-19T06:50:21 < munki> ttl = 3v3 usually?
2017-02-19T06:50:24 < ohsix> 5v
2017-02-19T06:50:29 < munki> got it
2017-02-19T06:50:37 < englishman> thats old terminology somewhat
2017-02-19T06:51:02 < englishman> ttl implies bjt switching (current based) and cmos , well mosfet switching (voltage based)
2017-02-19T06:51:21 < ohsix> yea
2017-02-19T06:51:26 < munki> then i have to set up one of the GPIOs to output 4MHz
2017-02-19T06:51:34 < dongs> lol @ that aidsfuit pcb, lets move bypass caps away from the IC so we can fit a fucking ladyaids logo in there
2017-02-19T06:51:47 < munki> dude i fucking hate gaydafruit 
2017-02-19T06:52:03 < ohsix> me2, i'm lonely
2017-02-19T06:52:04 < dongs> and the connections are literally the longest they can fucking be
2017-02-19T06:52:07 < dongs> and thin
2017-02-19T06:52:16 < dongs> that VCC line goes all over teh fuckign cap before it gets to IC
2017-02-19T06:52:21 < dongs> what fuckign garbage
2017-02-19T06:52:37 < ohsix> munki: Vdd means cmos too
2017-02-19T06:52:50 < englishman> jeez youre right i thought they were planes
2017-02-19T06:52:51 < englishman> lol
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2017-02-19T06:52:57 < dongs> yea man
2017-02-19T06:52:57 < englishman> clearly eagle'd
2017-02-19T06:53:07 < dongs> right angle eagle traces
2017-02-19T06:53:25 < dongs> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/970x728/395-07.jpg
2017-02-19T06:53:26 < ohsix> those level shifters suck anyways
2017-02-19T06:53:30 < dongs> a fducking cdn
2017-02-19T06:53:36 < dongs> the fu ck does ladyaids need a cdn for
2017-02-19T06:53:45 < Peter_M> dafuq is that breakout
2017-02-19T06:53:46 < ohsix> she has cash coming out of her ears
2017-02-19T06:53:56 < Peter_M> its tssop you dont need toi breakout htat shit
2017-02-19T06:53:56 < dongs> TXB0108 breakout
2017-02-19T06:54:05 < dongs> heh
2017-02-19T06:54:14 < Peter_M> tssop cna easiyl solder to pins
2017-02-19T06:54:15 < dongs> BUT IT HAS LOGO
2017-02-19T06:54:18 < englishman> im sure its tottally worth it to load up their SM482 to make level shifters
2017-02-19T06:54:30 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Channel-Logic-Level-Bi-directional-Converter-Module-TXB0108-TXS0108E-Arduino-D-/112043480623?hash=item1a164fd62f:g:JIwAAOSwZ1BXdUQL
2017-02-19T06:55:14 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TXB0108-8Bit-Bi-directional-Logic-Level-Converter-Module-W-Adj-LDO-for-Arduino-/322269832613?hash=item4b08c765a5:g:g34AAOSwPCVX4~BO lul
2017-02-19T06:55:40 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/rJSoT
2017-02-19T06:55:46 < dongs> http://www.tsg.ne.jp/TT/software/ wat
2017-02-19T06:55:51 < branjb> do mosi lines always look that shitty?
2017-02-19T06:56:06 < dongs> branjb: if you have them running over long wires yeah
2017-02-19T06:56:12 < ohsix> munki: what you usually have to look out for wrt. voltage conversion and shit, is when the possible logic level exceeds Vdd, chip needs input clamping and other stuff to not have badness when it happens
2017-02-19T06:56:13 < branjb> o
2017-02-19T06:56:20 < branjb> 4 ft probe cables count as long?
2017-02-19T06:56:23 < dongs> ..
2017-02-19T06:56:26 < dongs> yes
2017-02-19T06:56:28 < branjb> haha
2017-02-19T06:57:03 < ohsix> looks like there is crosstalk on the edges of the clock
2017-02-19T06:58:58 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-19T06:59:11 < ohsix> shit is weird yo
2017-02-19T06:59:25 < branjb> bored and drinking
2017-02-19T06:59:27 < branjb> clear
2017-02-19T06:59:38 < ohsix> at risk of sounding like a terd, reading clock diagrams and seeing what actually happens when you're wiring shit up is surprising
2017-02-19T07:00:02 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-19T07:00:11 < ohsix> collinear wires and decoupling and shit are hypothetical, then you see what is going on and you're like 'lol i need that rn'
2017-02-19T07:00:14 < branjb> i'm just randomly probing protocols and boards now haha
2017-02-19T07:00:31 < ohsix> working on a thing that's like a bucket brigade
2017-02-19T07:00:32 < branjb> i know
2017-02-19T07:00:44 < ohsix> if i leave the clock going and sample async, there's so much noise
2017-02-19T07:00:48 < branjb> usb differential pairs are super sensitive too
2017-02-19T07:00:57 < ohsix> i have to stop the clock and sample it for a clean signal
2017-02-19T07:01:08 < ohsix> even if i don't really care where the samples are
2017-02-19T07:01:49 < ohsix> also i thought stuff had to be specially designed to be fully static, most things do what you expect when you remove the clock
2017-02-19T07:02:17 < branjb> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/trinamic-motion-control-gmbh/TMC5130A-TA-T/1460-1126-2-ND/5030143 
2017-02-19T07:02:21 < branjb> these drivers are really cool
2017-02-19T07:02:38 < branjb> not sure what they are doing but it has a mode to remove the high pitch noise from steppers
2017-02-19T07:04:31 < ohsix> clock spreading?
2017-02-19T07:05:22 < ohsix> yea 'spreadcycle' and whatever stealthchop is olol
2017-02-19T07:05:47 < branjb> is lwip pretty easy to send udp packets?
2017-02-19T07:05:52 < ohsix> dang they have loads of made up product names
2017-02-19T07:06:03 < ohsix> if you're just sending udp you don't even really need an ip stack
2017-02-19T07:06:11 < branjb> i've got 0 working knowledge of ethernet above phy/link layer
2017-02-19T07:06:38 < ohsix> i remember it not being hard, but i also remember it not sucking a lot. and tons of people disagree about that
2017-02-19T07:07:57 < branjb> pretty much all i know about networking is stupid python shit like my_data = connection.abstractEverythingOpenSocketAndReceivePacket();
2017-02-19T07:08:24 < englishman> improper spacing. loop fail
2017-02-19T07:08:52 < branjb> i just want to send/receive 15 bytes of data about 10 times a second
2017-02-19T07:09:18 < branjb> don't need reliability either
2017-02-19T07:09:22 < branjb> if packet gets dropped o well
2017-02-19T07:09:39 < ohsix> how do you need to receive it, you can just send ethernet frames
2017-02-19T07:10:21 < branjb> via a computer sitting on the network somewhere else
2017-02-19T07:11:25 < branjb> dunno if I should do it with lwip on a stm32 or just use an 8 bit arduino with one of those wiz chips
2017-02-19T07:12:03 < branjb> lol
2017-02-19T07:12:22 < branjb> gonna have to be stm32
2017-02-19T07:12:38 < branjb> reqs want to receive a json from the controller with the data in it
2017-02-19T07:20:14 < ohsix> if you use an esp8266 it does dem wifi and has all the shit glommed together for you already
2017-02-19T07:20:31 < ohsix> and if you use nodemcu you might not even need to write any c for whatever it is you want to move around
2017-02-19T07:20:39 < branjb> has to be wired
2017-02-19T07:20:48 < branjb> wifi doesn't work at 5000m deep
2017-02-19T07:21:05 < ohsix> with enj80whatever from microchip or with one of the stm32 parts with ethernet
2017-02-19T07:21:17 < ohsix> hm heh
2017-02-19T07:21:26 < ohsix> wats it for, survey shit?
2017-02-19T07:21:29 < ohsix> that sounds interesting
2017-02-19T07:21:58 < branjb> pan/tilt controller for a deep sea ROV
2017-02-19T07:22:27 < ohsix> if it does ethernet, there isn't a controller down there already?
2017-02-19T07:22:34 < branjb> sounds easy but weird issues like xtal oscillators don't work at those pressures, so have to rely on RC
2017-02-19T07:22:37 < ohsix> is it optical or something, that's a long way for ethernet
2017-02-19T07:22:43 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-19T07:22:48 < branjb> optical down a tether
2017-02-19T07:22:55 < branjb> into a router or switch or something
2017-02-19T07:23:01 < ohsix> cool
2017-02-19T07:23:03 < branjb> breaks wired ethernet out to various other modules
2017-02-19T07:23:13 < ohsix> the switch has a crystal in it, no? heheh
2017-02-19T07:23:20 < ohsix> never looked at that stuff under those conditions
2017-02-19T07:23:23 < branjb> the switch is pressure protected
2017-02-19T07:23:46 < ohsix> ic
2017-02-19T07:23:47 < branjb> but the pan/tilt controller is inside a casing full of mineral oil, and under full pressure
2017-02-19T07:23:51 < ohsix> right
2017-02-19T07:24:03 < branjb> idk it's a weird problem
2017-02-19T07:24:10 < ohsix> wonder how mems ones would do
2017-02-19T07:24:22 < branjb> they are currently using a board that is purely analog and doesn't work very well
2017-02-19T07:24:49 < branjb> they calibrate the pan/tilt sensor by ramming it into hardstops and watching for current spikes
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2017-02-19T07:31:22 < ohsix> h3h
2017-02-19T07:31:26 < ohsix> that doesn't sound so bad
2017-02-19T07:31:36 < ohsix> unless it breaks itself it can be pretty reliable
2017-02-19T07:31:52 < ohsix> was dickign with a really crap security camera that did that the other day
2017-02-19T07:32:50 < branjb> it does break
2017-02-19T07:32:55 < branjb> which is a major issue
2017-02-19T07:32:59 < branjb> apparently
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2017-02-19T07:51:57 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-19T07:52:16 < ohsix> i don't even have a point of reference for pressures at that level lul, must be massive
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2017-02-19T07:54:00 < branjb> it's like... 35 times the pressure at sea level or something
2017-02-19T07:54:01 < branjb> i forget
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2017-02-19T07:55:43 < ohsix> that makes it seem low
2017-02-19T07:56:22 < branjb> pressure is weird in water, i've scuba dived and at 100 ft it's ~3 times the pressure of the surface
2017-02-19T07:56:25 < branjb> but it feels no different
2017-02-19T07:57:04 < branjb> just means that your blood does weird things, but you don't physically feel pressure pushing on you
2017-02-19T07:59:57 < ohsix> yea
2017-02-19T08:00:15 < ohsix> that's why you put stuff in mineral oil and let it work at pressure instead of trying to give it an environment
2017-02-19T08:02:10 < branjb> we want to use an imu on the control board but have no idea if they will work under pressure
2017-02-19T08:02:16 < branjb> need to get it chamber tested
2017-02-19T08:04:21 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-19T08:04:30 < ohsix> they might already have some info on that in the datasheets
2017-02-19T08:04:47 < ohsix> in water couldn't you just use some solid wire and a strain sensor lul
2017-02-19T08:04:48 < branjb> nope
2017-02-19T08:04:50 < ohsix> water is pretty thick
2017-02-19T08:04:55 < branjb> I checked over 15+ IMU datasheets
2017-02-19T08:05:10 < branjb> unless it had a barometer built in, it didn't say anything about pressure ratings
2017-02-19T08:05:54 < branjb> I think they will work though, some IMUs are fully solid state right?
2017-02-19T08:05:59 < ohsix> eh
2017-02-19T08:06:08 < ohsix> no not really
2017-02-19T08:06:14 < branjb> the reason xtal oscillators and ceramic capacitors don't work is because they actually have air inside their component
2017-02-19T08:06:16 < ohsix> there's some mass moving around and there's space that does it
2017-02-19T08:06:20 < branjb> oh
2017-02-19T08:06:24 < branjb> that won't work at all
2017-02-19T08:06:37 < ohsix> it is a very small space tho
2017-02-19T08:06:46 < branjb> hm
2017-02-19T08:06:57 < ohsix> might have basic problems with mems under pressure, like making them more sticky or something
2017-02-19T08:08:04 < branjb> yeah the company we are doing this for has a pressure chamber, so we'll prob get a bunch of prototypes ready and then put them in a thing and pump it full of air
2017-02-19T08:10:16 < ohsix> i bet you have to test a lot of stuff in a pressure chamber heh
2017-02-19T08:11:20 < branjb> i just want to put stuff like gasoline and alcohol in there
2017-02-19T08:11:28 < branjb> and see what happens when they get really compressed
2017-02-19T08:12:05 < ohsix> they ignite
2017-02-19T08:12:14 < ohsix> h3h
2017-02-19T08:13:26 < ohsix> maybe if not done really slowly
2017-02-19T08:13:36 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_piston
2017-02-19T08:14:16 < branjb> wow
2017-02-19T08:14:17 < branjb> I want one
2017-02-19T08:17:14 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-39wmSBO2FM
2017-02-19T08:17:30 < ohsix> InvenSense sensors should not be used or sold in the development, storage, production or utilization of any conventional or mass-destructive weapons or for any other weapons or life threatening applications, as well as in any other life critical applications such as medical equipment, transportation, aerospace and nuclear instruments, undersea equipment, power plant equipment, disaster prevention and crime prevention equipment. 
2017-02-19T08:18:33 < branjb> ha
2017-02-19T08:20:44 < ohsix> https://store.openrov.com/products/openrov-imu-depth-module if the package you have isn't strong enough, put another one over it
2017-02-19T08:21:17 < ohsix> 200 meters tho
2017-02-19T08:21:22 < ohsix> doubt they've tested
2017-02-19T08:22:20 < ohsix> fiber optic gyro hm
2017-02-19T08:22:26 < ohsix> hueg but would probably work
2017-02-19T08:22:59 < ohsix> in an rov you can use sonar
2017-02-19T08:27:21 < branjb> yeah but would be nice to instantly have orientation i/r/t the earth and ROV
2017-02-19T08:28:19 < ohsix> the companies that sell them seem to just put them in a pressure vessel
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2017-02-19T08:42:11 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/CapRadioQuinton/status/833013932356890624
2017-02-19T08:45:53 < ohsix> this oroville stuff is almost too real with all the other shit going on
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2017-02-19T09:03:49 < ohsix> hm branjb 
2017-02-19T09:04:00 < ohsix> the stuff that is tested/rated for those pressures might be export controlled
2017-02-19T09:04:09 < ohsix> which just as well means it is like nuclear material
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2017-02-19T09:42:54 < munki> http://linsam.homelinux.com/micro/stmled.html
2017-02-19T09:43:01 < munki> this man flexin on a mso-x 3014a
2017-02-19T09:43:09 < munki> i could get behind having one of those bad boys
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2017-02-19T10:22:13 < ohsix> https://lwn.net/Articles/713118/
2017-02-19T10:23:10 < ohsix> i can has lunix on my 128x64 oledz
2017-02-19T10:29:15 < ohsix> heh ti calculators keep the streen contents across poweroff
2017-02-19T10:45:51 < dongs> munki: my tek has 16 digital channels w/clips but I find a proper usb-based pc analyzer much more useful
2017-02-19T10:45:58 < dongs> beacuse of gui
2017-02-19T10:46:09 < dongs> its annoying af to do this shit on a scope
2017-02-19T10:47:30 < dongs> plus fucking tek doesntr evne do transitional storage
2017-02-19T10:47:37 < dongs> so its completely fucking useless beyond 1-2 seconds of sample data
2017-02-19T10:47:49 < dongs> you'd fucking think they would do transitional on LA data
2017-02-19T10:48:18 < ohsix> there are some out of this world $$ scopes that do it and are awesome tho
2017-02-19T10:48:39 < ohsix> with a scope you need a proper trigger, the ones that have LA's or support i2c can trigger based on the content
2017-02-19T10:49:03 < ohsix> with usb junk you just record and see what happens, even if it is like a billion samples
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2017-02-19T10:53:29 < dongs> asshole found both moc3083 and 1210 resistors
2017-02-19T10:53:33 < dongs> on a sunday
2017-02-19T10:53:36 < dongs> fuck, i hate japan
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2017-02-19T10:57:15 < ohsix> that reminds me, need to poke pulseview and see how many samples it can ha
2017-02-19T10:57:17 < ohsix> heh
2017-02-19T10:57:21 < ohsix> hitting swap still sucks
2017-02-19T10:57:34  * ohsix reduces that to 2gb
2017-02-19T11:03:35 < dongs> Embest (an Element 14 company) (maker of the STM32F4DIS-LCD board) distributes version 1.4 of the datasheet for the SSD2119 LCD controller. The controller appears to be a Solomon Systech chip. Solomon Systech does not freely distribute their datasheets. If you go on their website, the link for getting a datasheet takes you to a datasheet request page, where they want much personal info including your job title and for whom you work. I didn't bother submitting a reque
2017-02-19T11:03:43 < dongs> lol
2017-02-19T11:03:44 < dongs> fucking opensauce/lunix wanker
2017-02-19T11:04:51 < dongs> Reducing to 8bit color still consumes 75kiB, and my linker currently doesn't like that either. Actually displaying useful stuff will have to wait for another day.
2017-02-19T11:04:55 < dongs> ha ha ha
2017-02-19T11:04:58 < dongs> GNU/Linker
2017-02-19T11:26:38 < ReadError> did you guys unignore each other
2017-02-19T11:26:42 < ReadError> or just talking to yourselves
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2017-02-19T11:54:56 < dongs> ReadError: i didnt unignore anything
2017-02-19T11:56:12 < ohsix> that went right over his head hehe
2017-02-19T11:58:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zVonCTg.jpg pro DIP->SMD conversion
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2017-02-19T12:56:38 < dongs> is tehre a register to read after reset to see what caused the reset?
2017-02-19T12:56:42 < dongs> i thought there's eomthign
2017-02-19T12:57:36 < dongs> ah yes
2017-02-19T12:57:37 < dongs> rcc-csr
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2017-02-19T13:35:24 < Steffanx> Lol ohsix and dongs, both talking to themselves :D
2017-02-19T13:47:06 < Tectu> I am the tectu
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2017-02-19T13:54:05 < dongs> Steffanx: wat
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2017-02-19T14:22:59 < Steffanx> Oh you were both talking about totally unrelated stuff
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2017-02-19T14:28:07 < Steffanx> Im the Tectu
2017-02-19T14:28:51 < BrainDamage> in order to understand the tectu, you must become the tectu?
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2017-02-19T14:31:55 < Steffanx> Anyone knows when new falcon launch is supposed to happen?
2017-02-19T14:32:09 < Thorn> in ~2 hours
2017-02-19T14:34:07 < Steffanx> ok thanks
2017-02-19T14:34:46 < Thorn> hosted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giNhaEzv_PI technical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPVRRtNxw5Q
2017-02-19T14:36:12 < Steffanx> Yeah, google it, but thanks :)
2017-02-19T15:04:16 < dongs> Thorn: oh, in 2 hours
2017-02-19T15:04:17 < dongs> fuk
2017-02-19T15:04:28 < dongs> hm
2017-02-19T15:04:30 < dongs> i wanted to sleep
2017-02-19T15:04:35 < Thorn> 1:34 till the start
2017-02-19T15:04:55 < Steffanx> You can sleep and watch the replay tomorrow.
2017-02-19T15:05:15 < dongs> then I wouldnt know if it blew up
2017-02-19T15:05:18 < dongs> cuz they would edit that out
2017-02-19T15:07:10 < Steffanx> paranoid much?
2017-02-19T15:11:23 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML9ssR9EZmk
2017-02-19T15:12:36 < Steffanx> Drugs involved?
2017-02-19T15:13:03 < dongs> not a lot
2017-02-19T15:15:54 < dongs> oh i know
2017-02-19T15:15:56 < dongs> ill watch a movie
2017-02-19T15:30:21 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Replace-components-PCB-design-KiCad/ holy shit englishman 
2017-02-19T15:30:47 < dongs> almost wanna bid to see which canadian asshole it is
2017-02-19T15:32:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Design-Small-Circuit-Board/ haha some paki accepted this for $50
2017-02-19T15:33:51 < Steffanx> lol
2017-02-19T15:36:06 < dongs> fuck, all the projects I thought were somewhat fun just get closed without any pakis attached
2017-02-19T15:39:00 < Steffanx> CNN .. fake news, fake news!
2017-02-19T15:44:37 < Steffanx> Just top the negativity and move on mrs. LeelooMinai
2017-02-19T15:46:15 < dongs> i believe the proper term is "xir"
2017-02-19T15:46:45 < dongs> or was it xem?  im not up to date on latest genderfluid wank
2017-02-19T15:48:25 < Steffanx> Some people can no longer be changed LeelooMinai
2017-02-19T15:48:29 < dongs> https://genderneutralpronoun.wordpress.com/links/organized-by-pronoun/
2017-02-19T15:53:10 < Steffanx> Exactly.
2017-02-19T15:54:35 < dongs> should I ++ a uint64_t in systick for uptime counting
2017-02-19T15:54:46 < dongs> OR ++ a uint32 and do a check if it overflows
2017-02-19T15:56:50 < Steffanx> I see no reason why not to go with 64 when you need that amount of ticks.
2017-02-19T15:57:34 < dongs> ya
2017-02-19T15:57:39 < dongs> this should hopefully stay up for more than 47 days
2017-02-19T15:58:03 < dongs> but i wonder what i should do when I need short term ticks
2017-02-19T15:58:22 < dongs> do I just return uint64 AND'd with 0xfffffff or whatever?
2017-02-19T16:05:20 < BrainDamage> just use 64 bit math
2017-02-19T16:05:32 < dongs> why
2017-02-19T16:05:34 < BrainDamage> how often are you using it anyway
2017-02-19T16:05:42 < dongs> i need short-term ticks a lot
2017-02-19T16:05:49 < englishman> simple answer on stm64
2017-02-19T16:05:51 < dongs> but long-term is only for logging and uptime
2017-02-19T16:06:24 < englishman> why are you tired and assburgering about this
2017-02-19T16:06:34 < dongs> how is this assburgering
2017-02-19T16:06:34 < englishman> systick_increment increments 64
2017-02-19T16:06:40 < dongs> yeah it does
2017-02-19T16:06:45 < englishman> get_tick returns 32
2017-02-19T16:06:48 < dongs> yes
2017-02-19T16:06:55 < englishman> get_tick_64 returns 64
2017-02-19T16:06:57 < englishman> done
2017-02-19T16:07:17 < dongs> so 32 = 64 & (uint32_t)-1, yea?
2017-02-19T16:07:30 < englishman> why-1 if uint
2017-02-19T16:07:42 < dongs> well, 0xffffffff or hwatever
2017-02-19T16:07:44 < dongs> maxint32
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2017-02-19T16:08:00 < englishman> o casting
2017-02-19T16:08:03 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-19T16:08:14 < englishman> yea I see this as a binary operation, so put ffdd
2017-02-19T16:08:15 < englishman> Fff
2017-02-19T16:08:16 < dongs> or do i just... literally return (uint32_t)ticks64 and it works>
2017-02-19T16:08:24 < englishman> or that.
2017-02-19T16:08:54 < dongs> ok will try that
2017-02-19T16:09:01 < englishman> how can you be so noob some days
2017-02-19T16:09:06 < dongs> ha ha
2017-02-19T16:09:11 < Steffanx> Why wouldnt it LeelooMinai?
2017-02-19T16:09:57 < dongs> spacegay started
2017-02-19T16:10:04 < dongs> wiht some ambient
2017-02-19T16:10:09 < Steffanx> oh, that's what the sudden sound came from. lol
2017-02-19T16:10:17 < dongs> lols
2017-02-19T16:10:38 < englishman> not clicking
2017-02-19T16:10:57 < Steffanx> its not that bad englishman
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2017-02-19T16:16:21 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-19T16:18:35 < Laurenceb_> spacesex
2017-02-19T16:19:08  * Laurenceb_ is raging trying to find materials for his rocket jet vanes
2017-02-19T16:19:14 < englishman> gday laurencelad
2017-02-19T16:19:43 < Laurenceb_> needs to withstand 10MW/m^2 heat flux from 1800C exhaust for 250ms or so
2017-02-19T16:20:04 < Laurenceb_> nylon vaporises at about 1cm/s, its pretty crazy
2017-02-19T16:21:04 < Steffanx> Time to get some munny Laurenceb_. Munny solves it all.
2017-02-19T16:21:08 < Laurenceb_> I'm not watching
2017-02-19T16:21:16 < englishman> sounds like a job for sync, I bet he'd even weld it for you
2017-02-19T16:21:21 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: yeah but its supposed to be cheap
2017-02-19T16:21:34 < Laurenceb_> I think porcelain might actually work
2017-02-19T16:22:09 < Laurenceb_> there are high temperature clays, and it wont ever reach the 1800C due to radiative cooling and the heat capacity of the matrial itself
2017-02-19T16:22:40 < Laurenceb_> clay is cheap which is kind of important
2017-02-19T16:23:05 < Laurenceb_> the existing rocket nozzle is kaolinite high temperature porcelain and works well
2017-02-19T16:23:37 < Laurenceb_> but I dont know anything about precision clay moldings :-/
2017-02-19T16:23:58 < dongs> a SIMPLE GOOGLE SEARCH
2017-02-19T16:24:31 < Laurenceb_> Leeloo: yeah, wall thickness is down to 0.8mm on my find adator thing
2017-02-19T16:25:56 < Thorn> wtf tech stream has stopped
2017-02-19T16:26:48 < Thorn> <Gnonthgol>	technical webcast moved to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUDLxFUMC9c
2017-02-19T16:26:55 < dongs> why
2017-02-19T16:27:30 < Laurenceb_> damn this is like watching daytime tv
2017-02-19T16:27:33 < Laurenceb_> turning off
2017-02-19T16:28:22 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/87ff679a2f/3263.gif
2017-02-19T16:28:25 < Laurenceb_> correct
2017-02-19T16:29:18 < Laurenceb_> nope
2017-02-19T16:29:23 < Laurenceb_> sorry  :-/
2017-02-19T16:30:11 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/87ff679a2f/3262.jpg
2017-02-19T16:31:00 < Steffanx> fake news.
2017-02-19T16:31:01 < Laurenceb_> yay technical webcast running
2017-02-19T16:31:08 < Laurenceb_> no bullshitting "presenters"
2017-02-19T16:32:20 < englishman> dongs, what do you think about this paste http://www.indium.com/solder-paste-and-powders/leading-pb-free-solder-pastes/indium8.9hf.php
2017-02-19T16:32:26 < englishman> looks pro
2017-02-19T16:33:03 < englishman> way more spendy than my current stuff but having lots of trouble atm
2017-02-19T16:33:11 < englishman> id try zeph but they dont sell tubs????
2017-02-19T16:33:18 < dongs> yeah lol fucking zeph
2017-02-19T16:33:26 < dongs> actually, just get their syringe thing and tryt.
2017-02-19T16:33:33 < englishman> and keep it in some tupperware?
2017-02-19T16:33:39 < dongs> no like
2017-02-19T16:33:42 < dongs> just use the syringe
2017-02-19T16:33:48 < dongs> it has a seal cap after youre done
2017-02-19T16:33:55 < dongs> just push some out and spread it.
2017-02-19T16:33:59 < englishman> so i can put it back in the syringe?
2017-02-19T16:33:59 < dongs> oh.. but yeah
2017-02-19T16:34:03 < dongs> right no
2017-02-19T16:34:08 < englishman> rite
2017-02-19T16:34:11 < Steffanx> T-5:00
2017-02-19T16:34:14 < Steffanx> fyi
2017-02-19T16:34:16 < englishman> o other thing
2017-02-19T16:34:23 < englishman> when you paste, how thick is the "rotating blob"
2017-02-19T16:35:03 < dongs> you mean that roll of shit thats in front of the squeege?
2017-02-19T16:35:06 < englishman> yea
2017-02-19T16:35:13 < Laurenceb_> T - 4 minutes
2017-02-19T16:35:19 < englishman> transition thought i might have too much
2017-02-19T16:35:26 < dongs> just wahtever blob, usually thinner for wider boards
2017-02-19T16:35:34 < englishman> like 1cm
2017-02-19T16:35:42 < dongs> yeah, aruond taht
2017-02-19T16:35:45 < englishman> ok
2017-02-19T16:35:50 < englishman> how many 10cc tubes = 1 tub?
2017-02-19T16:36:10 < dongs> if you gonna use zeph, it wont be that much in front
2017-02-19T16:36:16 < dongs> just give it a couple squeesze passes 
2017-02-19T16:36:21 < dongs> and use that
2017-02-19T16:36:27 < englishman> ah ok, so really thin
2017-02-19T16:36:29 < dongs> might have to go slower a bit
2017-02-19T16:36:37 < englishman> do you not reuse after then
2017-02-19T16:36:57 < dongs> when i was using zzeph, i'd make as many boards to use it up and then toss what was left
2017-02-19T16:37:11 < BrainDamage> are you trying to setup a prototyping service or is this personal?
2017-02-19T16:37:20 < dongs> so when it was near end of batch i'd just keep less paste on the stencil not to waste
2017-02-19T16:37:35 < englishman> ok so always fresh
2017-02-19T16:38:03 < englishman> BrainDamage: yes
2017-02-19T16:38:03 < dongs> but yeah get one of thier tubes and try it out and see
2017-02-19T16:38:16 < Steffanx> BrainDamage, afaik he is not just trying, but really doing it.
2017-02-19T16:38:16 < dongs> worst case it'll be same and you'll know the problem is elsewhere
2017-02-19T16:38:26 < Steffanx> Haven't you seen the pics?
2017-02-19T16:38:28 < englishman> BrainDamage: i got one of these last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQD8ibvp1c
2017-02-19T16:38:58 < Steffanx> Are we going for a booom in 10 seconds?
2017-02-19T16:39:02 < dongs> yes
2017-02-19T16:39:33 < Steffanx> Too bad we wont see it then
2017-02-19T16:39:59 < dongs> nice cloud cover
2017-02-19T16:42:58 < Steffanx> lol @ how the sw is still partially in chinese englishman
2017-02-19T16:43:06 < englishman> yep
2017-02-19T16:43:15 < englishman> they are sending me 'upgrades'
2017-02-19T16:43:45 < englishman> Mainly updated speed and algorithm. In short, it is faster than before. and before you say there is an IC setting issues.
2017-02-19T16:46:07 < englishman> wow leeloo sure chats a lot
2017-02-19T16:47:29 < englishman> nice
2017-02-19T16:47:32 < englishman> touchdown
2017-02-19T16:47:34 < Steffanx> and it landed :)
2017-02-19T16:47:54 < dongs> wow thats a smooth fucking landing
2017-02-19T16:47:57 < dongs> it didnt even bump
2017-02-19T16:49:40 < englishman> i dono, shuttle is still more spectacular
2017-02-19T16:50:04 < sync_> Laurenceb_: pls just use graphite
2017-02-19T16:51:54 < BrainDamage> atm not even once
2017-02-19T16:52:03 < BrainDamage> they run tests and hope they'll be able to
2017-02-19T16:52:13 < BrainDamage> it'll be the next step
2017-02-19T16:53:32 < Laurenceb_> sync_: yeah that might work
2017-02-19T16:53:47 < Laurenceb_> but it has to be machined on cnc
2017-02-19T16:53:52 < sync_> so?
2017-02-19T16:54:01 < sync_> cheap and ez
2017-02-19T16:54:07 < sync_> just abrasive, so use vacuum
2017-02-19T16:54:12 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-02-19T16:54:30 < Laurenceb_> I'd need to redesign to CNC tho :-/
2017-02-19T16:54:34 < sync_> LeelooMinai: more like reversable fixture
2017-02-19T16:55:10 < sync_> yes, but 5 axis machining is annoying
2017-02-19T16:55:22 < sync_> nah
2017-02-19T16:55:24 < sync_> not really
2017-02-19T16:55:48 < sync_> no
2017-02-19T16:56:01 < Laurenceb_> https://ibin.co/3CwPiPaihosD.png
2017-02-19T16:56:06 < sync_> no.
2017-02-19T16:56:06 < Laurenceb_> thats the current design
2017-02-19T16:56:21 < sync_> 180k€ will give you a haas with acceptable 2 axis turret
2017-02-19T16:56:25 < sync_> that is not expensive at all
2017-02-19T16:56:52 < BrainDamage> is the arrow just a reference direction or do you really have a spreaded stuck in the middl of the flow?
2017-02-19T16:57:07 < englishman> sync_: laurent is trying to do the equivalent of gluing macaroni on paper to make the mona lisa
2017-02-19T16:57:15 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: thats a spreader
2017-02-19T16:57:32 < sync_> LeelooMinai: compared to actual machining centers, yes
2017-02-19T16:57:45 < BrainDamage> yeah I see why you have ablation resistance problems
2017-02-19T16:58:03 < Laurenceb_> yeah the conditions are quite severe
2017-02-19T16:58:31 < BrainDamage> can't you just redirect the edges and integrate for more time?
2017-02-19T16:58:36 < Laurenceb_> CNC milling that thing isnt going to be too easy
2017-02-19T16:58:48 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: no, that isnt as stable
2017-02-19T16:59:11 < Laurenceb_> I need to get the rocket from the stationary position to the spinning and pointing up situation without it flipping
2017-02-19T16:59:34 < sync_> well, you can 5 axis that, yes
2017-02-19T16:59:35 < Laurenceb_> that takes some serious 'twist' in the exhaust
2017-02-19T17:00:35 < Laurenceb_> sync_: so if I send the stl files to somewhere with a 5 axis mill, they could convert to G code, or what?
2017-02-19T17:00:49 < sync_> yes
2017-02-19T17:01:04 < sync_> although they will hate you for an stl file
2017-02-19T17:01:09 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-02-19T17:01:19 < Laurenceb_> what is the normal workflow?
2017-02-19T17:01:32 < sync_> design in cad, send to shop, receive part
2017-02-19T17:01:38 < sync_> pay moni
2017-02-19T17:01:47 < Laurenceb_> lul but what files to I send to shop?
2017-02-19T17:01:57 < englishman> .igs
2017-02-19T17:02:14 < sync_> whatever your cad package has
2017-02-19T17:02:33 < sync_> igs is common, but the native format is usually the best
2017-02-19T17:02:38 < sync_> as you do not loose surface information
2017-02-19T17:02:47 < Laurenceb_> I doubt they have FreeCAD
2017-02-19T17:02:51 < sync_> > freecad
2017-02-19T17:02:54 < sync_> pls
2017-02-19T17:03:12 < englishman> no wonder your 3d model violates the space-time continuum
2017-02-19T17:03:29 < Laurenceb_> it does?
2017-02-19T17:03:50 < sync_> LeelooMinai: to a private person 180k€ is a lot, but for a business, that is not really a lot
2017-02-19T17:04:12 < Laurenceb_> what about .stp  ?
2017-02-19T17:04:14 < sync_> no
2017-02-19T17:04:26 < dongs> what the shit is leelooman bitching about
2017-02-19T17:04:27 < Steffanx> What about ask the shop? ;)
2017-02-19T17:04:50 < Steffanx> They should know what they want/support/prefer
2017-02-19T17:04:57 < englishman> dongs: leeloo chats way more than i thought, i think im going back to regular /ignore
2017-02-19T17:05:11 < dongs> haha
2017-02-19T17:05:14 < sync_> LeelooMinai: if you cannot get a loan in that size and get high enough machine utilisation, you probably do not have a business case
2017-02-19T17:05:38 < sync_> usually you will pay off a 5 axis in 1.5 years
2017-02-19T17:05:55 < sync_> regardless of size (special stuff disregarded)
2017-02-19T17:06:11 < Laurenceb_> have to find somewhere thats prepared to mill graphite :-/
2017-02-19T17:06:22 < dongs> howa bout milling graphene
2017-02-19T17:06:37 < sync_> well
2017-02-19T17:06:41 < sync_> you can rent shops
2017-02-19T17:07:06 < sync_> and say 1M is entirely possible in 5 years
2017-02-19T17:07:29 < dongs> why is leelooman talking about money, he's still in debt after m2f op
2017-02-19T17:07:38 < Laurenceb_> sync_: how much would it cost me to have some of these things milled out of graphite?
2017-02-19T17:07:47 < Laurenceb_> diameter is 20mm
2017-02-19T17:07:47 < dongs> Laurenceb_: how about asking shapeways
2017-02-19T17:07:48 < sync_> I have seen several people start out with a haas vmc + lathe investing ~300k and outgrowing them in 3 years
2017-02-19T17:08:02 < corecode> dongs: why are you obsessed with people's genitals?
2017-02-19T17:08:07 < Laurenceb_> dongs: lel I could try
2017-02-19T17:08:13 < sync_> Laurenceb_: depends on the vendor
2017-02-19T17:08:30 < sync_> for single parts I suppose 200€-500€ for the first part, less afterwards
2017-02-19T17:08:30 < Laurenceb_> sync_: could you suggest anywhere?
2017-02-19T17:08:31 < corecode> LeelooMinai: yea i guess
2017-02-19T17:08:36 < Laurenceb_> thats not so bad
2017-02-19T17:08:42 < Laurenceb_> pity its single use...
2017-02-19T17:08:58 < Laurenceb_> I guess I could try to find the parts on the launch range
2017-02-19T17:09:05 < sync_> I could do it for you if you cannot find someone
2017-02-19T17:09:09 < englishman> not reusable like elon musks personal innovations, pssh
2017-02-19T17:09:22 < sync_> but I'm not sure if your part is machinable
2017-02-19T17:09:39 < Laurenceb_> sync_: I'm sure its not, it would need redesign for CNC
2017-02-19T17:10:05 < sync_> well, most certainly it is not, the sharp corner at the blade root is impossible to make
2017-02-19T17:10:21 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-02-19T17:10:30 < corecode> sync_: interesting perspective on machine prices and return of investment
2017-02-19T17:10:45 < corecode> but then you're a machine shop
2017-02-19T17:10:58 < sync_> why is it an intersting perspective?
2017-02-19T17:11:01 < Laurenceb_> someone suggested DMLS inconel718
2017-02-19T17:11:20 < Laurenceb_> but I'm not seeing how that would do anything other than turning into a molten glob
2017-02-19T17:11:20 < sync_> that could work but that is heavy
2017-02-19T17:11:26 < corecode> sync_: because i have not heard any numbers so far
2017-02-19T17:11:27 < sync_> why can't you just use straight vanes?
2017-02-19T17:11:30 < corecode> so i find it interesting
2017-02-19T17:11:35 < Laurenceb_> well that and it melts at 1300C
2017-02-19T17:11:39 < sync_> less efficiency, but pfft
2017-02-19T17:11:44 < Laurenceb_> sync_: less efficiency
2017-02-19T17:11:45 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-02-19T17:11:59 < sync_> it would be significantly easier to make
2017-02-19T17:11:59 < Laurenceb_> with less efficiency I get more tip off from vertical
2017-02-19T17:12:04 < Laurenceb_> ok
2017-02-19T17:12:32 < sync_> 6 diagonal slots in a carbon cone
2017-02-19T17:12:47 < sync_> with carbon plates inset
2017-02-19T17:12:52 < sync_> or just machined from solid
2017-02-19T17:13:07 < Laurenceb_> https://imagebin.ca/v/3CioxmkTkTi9
2017-02-19T17:13:14 < sync_> solid sucks as you have to surface everything with a ball nose
2017-02-19T17:13:27 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-02-19T17:13:30 < englishman> dongs zeph doesnt have a real pds or even give ball size
2017-02-19T17:13:35 < englishman> is this a shady company
2017-02-19T17:13:42 < sync_> two part would be easier to make
2017-02-19T17:13:54 < sync_> a lathe part + ceramic glue + carbon vanes
2017-02-19T17:14:00 < Laurenceb_> hmm maybe I should just abandon the idea
2017-02-19T17:14:05 < sync_> yes
2017-02-19T17:14:08 < Laurenceb_> and go with a hot gas duck 
2017-02-19T17:14:11 < Laurenceb_> *duct
2017-02-19T17:15:12 < dongs> englishman: their paste doesnt need a datasheet
2017-02-19T17:15:16 < dongs> its AMAZING(TM)
2017-02-19T17:15:25 < englishman> zanopaste
2017-02-19T17:15:29 < Laurenceb_> one material that would appear to work on paper is DMLS titanium alloy
2017-02-19T17:15:30 < dongs> yes basically
2017-02-19T17:15:54 < englishman> do i need the $30 plunger and $25 stand
2017-02-19T17:15:54 < sync_> Laurenceb_: just get some shit machined from steel initially
2017-02-19T17:15:58 < englishman> jeezus these guys
2017-02-19T17:16:23 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: I still think the vanes really need to curve tho
2017-02-19T17:16:33 < Laurenceb_> but I havent actually modelled this
2017-02-19T17:16:38 < Laurenceb_> to see how much it helps
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2017-02-19T17:17:41 < sync_> Laurenceb_: prob not
2017-02-19T17:17:50 < Laurenceb_> https://ibin.co/3CwWIAVjQlJU.png
2017-02-19T17:17:51 < sync_> ever ran any cfd on it?
2017-02-19T17:18:08 < Laurenceb_> sync_: no, just looked at some experimental results from similar stuff
2017-02-19T17:18:39 < Laurenceb_> that was an earlier idea using hot gas ducts
2017-02-19T17:18:54 < sync_> I'd just roll with some straight vanes
2017-02-19T17:18:59 < sync_> and see how it works
2017-02-19T17:19:05 < Laurenceb_> ok
2017-02-19T17:19:27 < sync_> if you need help machining it, just ask
2017-02-19T17:19:30 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: I'm trying to design a rocket for launch at ~37km altitude
2017-02-19T17:19:53 < Laurenceb_> to get to ~130km apogee and set amateur rocketry record and cross official boundary of space
2017-02-19T17:19:54 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-02-19T17:20:08 < Laurenceb_> from altitude this can be done with a tiny D motor
2017-02-19T17:20:13 < Laurenceb_> total mass 30grams or so
2017-02-19T17:20:40 < Laurenceb_> but it has to spin at 450hz around its vertical axis, thats the very very hard bit
2017-02-19T17:21:48 < Laurenceb_> lots of people have tried to make rockoons, but everyone has filed epically with the stabilisation bit
2017-02-19T17:21:51 < sync_> I'm not even sure if you need the cone
2017-02-19T17:22:00 < Laurenceb_> if you can solve stabilisation it trivial
2017-02-19T17:22:02 < Laurenceb_> *its
2017-02-19T17:22:19 < sync_> what diam is that shit?
2017-02-19T17:22:44 < Laurenceb_> 17.8mm for the rocket, 20.2mm for the adaptor thing (it fits in 22mm copper water pipe)
2017-02-19T17:23:06 < aandrew> why do you need to spin at 450Hz?
2017-02-19T17:23:24 < Laurenceb_> this is my 7th idea for spinning :-S the 6 previous prototypes all failed
2017-02-19T17:23:45 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: so its gyroscopically stable
2017-02-19T17:23:48 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-02-19T17:23:52 < BrainDamage> spin stabilization doesn't need large fins
2017-02-19T17:24:04 < corecode> why 450Hz?
2017-02-19T17:24:05 < BrainDamage> atmosphere has low density at that altitude
2017-02-19T17:24:37 < Laurenceb_> corcode: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.5340.pdf;
2017-02-19T17:24:49 < corecode> yey science
2017-02-19T17:25:07 < sync_> Laurenceb_: have you actually tried just a block with radially drilled holes?
2017-02-19T17:25:32 < Laurenceb_> sync_: yeah that might work, but its heavy
2017-02-19T17:25:39 < sync_> why would it be heavy?
2017-02-19T17:25:41 < Laurenceb_> thats how ISIS do ti
2017-02-19T17:25:47 < sync_> made from carbon it is pretty light
2017-02-19T17:25:49 < BrainDamage> do you have balloon lift problems?
2017-02-19T17:25:51 < Laurenceb_> for their spin stabilised stuff
2017-02-19T17:26:05 < Laurenceb_> yes, they have some quite pro ones too
2017-02-19T17:26:48 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: the spin adaptor has to separate once the spin rate is high enough
2017-02-19T17:27:12 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: interesting
2017-02-19T17:27:18 < Laurenceb_> https://imagebin.ca/v/3CioxmkTkTi9
2017-02-19T17:27:25 < aandrew> for a bullet the spin rate would be dependent entirely on muzzle velocity, no?
2017-02-19T17:27:40 < Laurenceb_> see the copper figure of 8? Thats to split the two halves at 450hz
2017-02-19T17:27:52 < aandrew> the rifling would impart spin, but how fast the spin is would depend on how fast the bullet was passing through the rifling
2017-02-19T17:28:21 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: its a function of rifling twist and velocity, yes
2017-02-19T17:28:37 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: my first 5 prototypes were based on that idea
2017-02-19T17:28:59 < Laurenceb_> problem is you need to somehow get the rocket out of the spin mechanism without upsetting it
2017-02-19T17:29:23 < Laurenceb_> and it needs to be spinning exactly on its axis or you get precession
2017-02-19T17:29:34 < Laurenceb_> that was idea #1
2017-02-19T17:29:43 < Laurenceb_> impossible to get it out of the tube
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2017-02-19T17:30:13 < Laurenceb_> vibration screws everything up and you get huge precession
2017-02-19T17:30:27 < Laurenceb_> yes that might work
2017-02-19T17:30:51 < Laurenceb_> then you need explosives in the bottom and multiple detonator channels going to spinning tube
2017-02-19T17:31:01 < zyp> the rocket that we launched when I went to space tech school had a nozzle that imparted spin in one direction and fins that imparted spin in the other direction
2017-02-19T17:31:16 < Laurenceb_> oh wow
2017-02-19T17:31:35 < Laurenceb_> zyp: that sounds like that launcher from Hawaii
2017-02-19T17:31:42 < zyp> so when it fired, the nozzle would make it spin up in one direction, and after flameout fins made it spin the other direction
2017-02-19T17:31:45 < Laurenceb_> that failed, semi fin, semi spin
2017-02-19T17:32:05 < zyp> I think this was an engine that was originally designed for helicopter missiles
2017-02-19T17:32:07 < Laurenceb_> they were slightly off in their modelling and it became unstable
2017-02-19T17:32:11 < Laurenceb_> nice
2017-02-19T17:32:33 < Laurenceb_> aiui these Klima motors I'm using are based on some antitank stuff, its quite low smoke
2017-02-19T17:32:35 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-19T17:32:40 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRV7 <- I think it was one of these
2017-02-19T17:34:22 < aandrew> this is very interesting
2017-02-19T17:34:50 < zyp> wikipedia mentions that it has both the fins and vanes in the exhaust, but doesn't say anything about opposite directions
2017-02-19T17:35:08 < zyp> but I clearly remember one of the rocket engineers claiming that
2017-02-19T17:35:48 < Laurenceb_> so anyways, if the spin adaptor thing is too heavy it causes too much precession when it separates
2017-02-19T17:35:59 < Laurenceb_> I need to limit the mass to 2 or 3 grams max
2017-02-19T17:36:05 < Laurenceb_> the nylon is 0.9g
2017-02-19T17:36:44 < sync_> put in density of carbon
2017-02-19T17:37:20 < Laurenceb_> 2.3g
2017-02-19T17:37:48 < Laurenceb_> but with graphite the design could be made a little leaner than current
2017-02-19T17:38:07 < Laurenceb_> aftermath https://imagebin.ca/v/3CjOIcSSZpWY
2017-02-19T17:38:39 < Laurenceb_> its amost perfect ablation, there was very little melt damage apart from on the bits that got thinned severely
2017-02-19T17:39:31 < Laurenceb_> it lasted about 150ms then the fins separated
2017-02-19T17:40:10 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_: what mechanism as you using for detaching? ablation?
2017-02-19T17:40:29 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: mechanical "fuse"
2017-02-19T17:40:36 < BrainDamage> so yes
2017-02-19T17:40:49 < Laurenceb_> https://imagebin.ca/v/3CioxmkTkTi9
2017-02-19T17:41:30 < Laurenceb_> AWG44 copper wire, its very repeatable, <1% standard deviation in breaking strength when I tested it
2017-02-19T17:42:07 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: idea is to make it work by any means, so simplest is best
2017-02-19T17:43:44 < BrainDamage> will you put a decent tracker on the ballon or will you only use the shitty CW tracker on the rocket itself?
2017-02-19T17:44:10 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: so what's the idea with that metal figure 8, after the spin rate gets too high, it breaks and the plastic piece falls off?
2017-02-19T17:44:21 < Laurenceb_> the balloon has proper gps, rocket is CW
2017-02-19T17:44:29 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: yes
2017-02-19T17:45:06 < aandrew> interesting
2017-02-19T17:45:24 < aandrew> how are you measuring all these factors? 
2017-02-19T17:46:00 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-02-19T17:46:02 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/ScaredPartialDobermanpinscher
2017-02-19T17:46:36 < Laurenceb_> thats the previous prototype, I mounted an Estes motor on the side of the rocket with a similar mechanical fuse to release it
2017-02-19T17:46:47 < dongs> lol
2017-02-19T17:46:57 < dongs> japs have tehse firecrackers that work like that
2017-02-19T17:47:05 < dongs> fire from teh side and it flies up spinning
2017-02-19T17:47:24 < Laurenceb_> works perfectly, but needs 2 x ignition, its basically 2 stage so theres more to fail
2017-02-19T17:47:38 < sync_> LeelooMinai: what flow do you expect at the inlet?
2017-02-19T17:50:13 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-02-19T17:51:29 < Laurenceb_> le friction meme
2017-02-19T17:51:35 < Laurenceb_> you mean drag
2017-02-19T17:51:58 < Laurenceb_> well its all nonlinear...
2017-02-19T17:52:11 < Laurenceb_> but density is about 300 times lower
2017-02-19T17:52:33 < Laurenceb_> but the rocket flies higher and escapes from the air faster as a result
2017-02-19T17:52:50 < Laurenceb_> so you fly about 1000 times higher
2017-02-19T17:53:04 < BrainDamage> rockets that start from earth level also account this
2017-02-19T17:53:24 < BrainDamage> they go full thrust, reduce, then up again
2017-02-19T17:53:46 < Laurenceb_> you can s/meters/km for v small scale launch from high altitude
2017-02-19T17:54:51 < BrainDamage> ballons don't scale
2017-02-19T17:55:23 < BrainDamage> btw don't you have ignition problems "up there"?
2017-02-19T17:56:01 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: seems to be solvable with the right propellant
2017-02-19T17:56:10 < englishman> rip upgrdman
2017-02-19T17:56:30 < Laurenceb_> Estes and Klima propellant works ok
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2017-02-19T17:57:02 < Laurenceb_> APCP (the high end amateur stuff) is hard to ignite, but Cesaroni motors seem to work
2017-02-19T17:57:16 < Laurenceb_> the Register guys looked at this
2017-02-19T17:58:03 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-02-19T17:58:06 < BrainDamage> I assume by using standard motors you're also somewhat clear legally speaking
2017-02-19T17:58:11 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-02-19T17:58:31 < BrainDamage> pyro licenses can be nasty
2017-02-19T17:58:31 < Laurenceb_> the Register got obsessed with keeping it warm, which is a non issue :-/
2017-02-19T17:58:41 < Laurenceb_> huh I've got one
2017-02-19T17:58:52 < Laurenceb_> basic licence is easy in UK
2017-02-19T17:58:57 < BrainDamage> oh, I guess it's easier in the uk
2017-02-19T17:59:07 < BrainDamage> here they are rather strict
2017-02-19T17:59:17 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-02-19T17:59:30 < BrainDamage> totally could, but never bothered to
2017-02-19T17:59:40 < englishman> hm seems easy here
2017-02-19T18:00:03 < BrainDamage> maybe I should just to add it to the bullshit list
2017-02-19T18:00:09 < ReadError> upgmang drown?
2017-02-19T18:00:25 < englishman> of course you can buy 500000 pounds of black powder at a convenience store without any license at all, if you wished
2017-02-19T18:00:46  * Laurenceb_ makes note not to attend Boston marathon
2017-02-19T18:02:23 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/BestNewDodobird
2017-02-19T18:02:33 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCnKtzQpCSs
2017-02-19T18:03:21 < englishman> what a well spoken fellow
2017-02-19T18:03:55 < Laurenceb_> lots of things
2017-02-19T18:04:39 < englishman> ReadError: pic of upgrdman commuting to work http://i.imgur.com/wFK9gzk.jpg
2017-02-19T18:05:02 < ReadError> lol
2017-02-19T18:05:35 < Steffanx> Trump-obsession.
2017-02-19T18:05:45 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: eclipse thing we talked about.. project properties - paths and symbols - includes
2017-02-19T18:06:29 < kakimir> there is this /${ProjName}/inc and there is checkbox to add the line in all languages as you add it
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2017-02-19T18:08:05 < Steffanx> Obsession
2017-02-19T18:08:32 < kakimir> there is checkbox for that
2017-02-19T18:08:39 < kakimir> add to all languages
2017-02-19T18:09:01 < Steffanx> Unlikely
2017-02-19T18:11:36 < kakimir> window
2017-02-19T18:11:37 < kakimir> s
2017-02-19T18:18:09 < ReadError> is there a sweede here
2017-02-19T18:18:10 < ReadError> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/world/europe/last-night-in-sweden-trumps-remark-baffles-a-nation.html?_r=0
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2017-02-19T18:18:22 < ReadError> what happened in sweden in the past day?
2017-02-19T18:18:34 < zyp> nothing.
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2017-02-19T18:35:39 < kakimir> cuckin
2017-02-19T18:36:29 < branjb> ReadError: http://imgur.com/a/6Cdjq
2017-02-19T18:38:41 < ReadError> lol
2017-02-19T18:39:02 < branjb> lol
2017-02-19T18:45:05 < Tectu> how is mr. lazy dick?
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2017-02-19T19:02:58 < corecode> hi
2017-02-19T19:11:43 < Thorn> "Laurenceb_ Aerospace: about as good an idea as President Trump"
2017-02-19T19:11:49 < Thorn> (sorry could not resist)
2017-02-19T19:13:08 < Laurenceb_> whats up with my ideas?
2017-02-19T19:25:41 < Laurenceb_> hi CrapillaryRefillTime
2017-02-19T19:27:09 < englishman> Lol
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2017-02-19T19:47:47 < englishman> a fine specimen
2017-02-19T19:48:06 < englishman> lildongs got the leash yesterday
2017-02-19T19:48:18 < Steffanx> It still looks agree at you crt
2017-02-19T19:48:43 < englishman> his paws got wet and he was upset
2017-02-19T19:53:33 < Steffanx> awh
2017-02-19T19:54:32 < englishman> crt, in 10 days, this starts again http://i.imgur.com/OZNLxn5.jpg
2017-02-19T19:55:02 < Steffanx> but this time it's get cats turn?
2017-02-19T19:57:25 < englishman> il get him some white camo and a tiny shotgun
2017-02-19T19:57:42 < englishman> he wont need a permit since he's under 12 and with me.
2017-02-19T19:58:02 < Steffanx> Im sure it prefers http://www.glamguns.com/hk47.html
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2017-02-19T20:04:12 < englishman> youre referring to this one http://i.imgur.com/fs22CyI.jpg
2017-02-19T20:08:05 < Thorn> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Hg5VsKZKY
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2017-02-19T20:18:00 < englishman> some high quality kittens there too
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2017-02-19T21:01:08 < boB_K7IQ> Kitty Scope          https://imgur.com/gallery/lX722gB
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2017-02-19T21:15:03 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/SciencePorn/status/833235944023142401
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2017-02-19T22:00:32 < branjb> this VLSI class sucks
2017-02-19T22:00:59 < branjb> have to use virtousu via sshing into a server, then sshing into another server, then x11 forwarding
2017-02-19T22:01:06 < branjb> click tool, tool responds 5 seconds later
2017-02-19T22:01:17 < BrainDamage> too cheap for licenses?
2017-02-19T22:01:52 < branjb> school has licensese, but they are all stored on a server thus x11 forwarding
2017-02-19T22:02:00 < branjb> no physical access to said server even on campus
2017-02-19T22:06:50 < branjb> yup
2017-02-19T22:07:07 < branjb> no imagine doing it over a ssh x11 forwarded connection with 2-3 seconds lag between any action
2017-02-19T22:07:10 < branjb> now*
2017-02-19T22:07:40 < branjb> also, I could give 0 fucks about VLSI design, so spending hours learning about some shitty CAD tool that I'll never use again
2017-02-19T22:07:48 < branjb> is awesome
2017-02-19T22:07:56 < Steffanx> Cant they do some vpnish thing?
2017-02-19T22:08:07 < branjb> probably if they were more competent
2017-02-19T22:09:07 < Steffanx> You wont be our new r2commie?
2017-02-19T22:09:20 < branjb> what's an r2commie?
2017-02-19T22:09:41 < Steffanx> R2COM.
2017-02-19T22:09:59 < Steffanx> A fellow that visits us once in a while
2017-02-19T22:11:36 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-19T22:11:38 < branjb> that's cool
2017-02-19T22:12:08 < branjb> lol
2017-02-19T22:12:23 < branjb> it definitely looks like the erosion is creeping up
2017-02-19T22:12:38 < BrainDamage> did yo have a class on semiconductor devices first or just ic design?
2017-02-19T22:12:59 < branjb> nope
2017-02-19T22:13:10 < branjb> transistor circuits -> VLSI
2017-02-19T22:13:17 < branjb> semiconductor devices is an elective
2017-02-19T22:13:38 < BrainDamage> so stuff work by ~magicì
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2017-02-19T22:13:42 < BrainDamage> ~magic~
2017-02-19T22:14:00 < branjb> yeah
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2017-02-19T22:15:19 < branjb> you can't rename nets in virtuoso, that's pretty cool
2017-02-19T22:15:21 < BrainDamage> alo can't be r2com, are to commie can' handle being contradicted and leashes out as if to affirm his authority
2017-02-19T22:15:36 < BrainDamage> like that meant anything
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2017-02-19T22:19:22 < ohsix> balls
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2017-02-19T22:30:56 < Laurenceb_> sync_:  https://www.amazon.com/Ceramacast-575N-Alumina-Castable-Compound/dp/B00CMV7QNO
2017-02-19T22:31:12 < Laurenceb_> I was thinking of using that with a mold
2017-02-19T22:31:56 < sync_> yes that works reasonably well
2017-02-19T22:32:07 < sync_> but I'd try a simple drilled design first
2017-02-19T22:32:12 < sync_> out of carbon
2017-02-19T22:33:55 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: the stock nozzle shows no sign of melting
2017-02-19T22:34:11 < Laurenceb_> so that means that the temperature must be <1800C
2017-02-19T22:34:49 < Laurenceb_> sync_: yeah good idea - no separation mechanism, just simple drilled
2017-02-19T22:35:43 < Laurenceb_> another option is DMLS titanium, but although it doesnt melt until 1650C, it loses almost all strength by 1200C
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2017-02-19T22:37:05 < Laurenceb_> with a little redesign the fins and splitter cone could be made using a mold
2017-02-19T22:38:48 < sync_> you can just cut it in half to split it
2017-02-19T22:38:54 < sync_> and then put your wires around
2017-02-19T22:39:10 < sync_> or just cut, machine and put the wire on the outside
2017-02-19T22:40:10 < sync_> I mean, you don't really need your sep mechanism on the ground to test it tho
2017-02-19T22:41:58 < Laurenceb_> yeah but the more you divide tests into subsystems the more you can be caught out
2017-02-19T22:43:38 < Laurenceb_> I should do a test with some different ~0.8mm think metal "vanes" stuck into the exhaust and high speed camera running
2017-02-19T22:44:49 < Laurenceb_> I have a very good estimate of the heat flux from the nylon ablation, its about 10MW/m^2, but I dont have any good estimates of how it decreases at high temperature
2017-02-19T22:48:17 < Laurenceb_> https://ibin.co/3Cy8491xjVgx.png assuming its just linear then titanium is pretty borderline
2017-02-19T22:48:32 < Laurenceb_> thats a sim of 550µm think vane
2017-02-19T22:48:47 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: depends over how long
2017-02-19T22:49:05 < Laurenceb_> been working on this on and off since 2005 
2017-02-19T22:49:49 < Laurenceb_> well yeah something like that
2017-02-19T22:50:00 < Laurenceb_> good news is nobody else is even close
2017-02-19T22:50:38 < Laurenceb_> well Musk Mars project isnt a 0 budget project like this
2017-02-19T22:51:20 < Thorn> I'm feeding my stm32 interesting articles over USB for cultural enrichment https://paste.ofcode.org/4tr9UeaweiBeaNLJfNdqU6
2017-02-19T22:51:29 < Laurenceb_> there are lots of other people working on Rockoons but they are so daft its beyond imagination
2017-02-19T22:52:27 < Laurenceb_> like these guys ... http://n-prize.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=34&sid=e9e507292357ea6090dc2397ccfca27e
2017-02-19T22:54:15 < BrainDamage> no, n prize is harder
2017-02-19T22:54:28 < BrainDamage> they have to actually orbit multiple times
2017-02-19T22:54:44 < BrainDamage> all teams failed btw
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2017-02-19T22:55:05 < BrainDamage> and the prize is only 10k, which also limits the budget other than for prestige
2017-02-19T22:57:03 < BrainDamage> some of them were kinda hilarious
2017-02-19T22:57:13 < BrainDamage> wikisat documented the countless failures
2017-02-19T22:57:35 < BrainDamage> but in several cases it seems they kinda discarded what they learned
2017-02-19T22:58:34 < Laurenceb_> haha team wikisat
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2017-02-19T23:00:53 < BrainDamage> anything, but the total budget inc the sat must be <1k
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2017-02-19T23:08:29 < upgrdman> is there an easy program for windows to run some command when you press some hotkey? e.g. make it so when you press F12 a program will open or whatever
2017-02-19T23:08:52 < zyp> autohotkey?
2017-02-19T23:10:39 < kakimir> is there a way to integrate program output and input while debuging to view in visual studio?
2017-02-19T23:10:41 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-19T23:11:23 < Steffanx> Kakimir also depends on the language
2017-02-19T23:11:58 < kakimir> instead of having that crap window there
2017-02-19T23:12:01 < kakimir> C
2017-02-19T23:13:10 < zyp> solution: don't cause errors
2017-02-19T23:13:35 < kakimir> what should I even google for?
2017-02-19T23:14:02 < kakimir> "get that crappy program window off my visual studio"
2017-02-19T23:20:08 < emeb> so what's the best way to do a bootloader to support firmware updates?
2017-02-19T23:20:19 < zyp> in what sense?
2017-02-19T23:20:35 < emeb> Going to do a system with SD card
2017-02-19T23:20:55 < emeb> want to allow firmware update via file on SD too
2017-02-19T23:21:34 < emeb> put bootloader @ reset vector, have it check for valid update & valid firmware, then jump to firmware start @ some offset address?
2017-02-19T23:22:20 < emeb> which I assume means writing a special linker script to put firmware start at some offset
2017-02-19T23:22:23 < zyp> well, then you could either put a full SD/FAT stack in the bootloader, or you could make a dual image system where one application image rewrites the other, and the bootloader simply picks which application image to boot
2017-02-19T23:24:01 < zyp> for remote updates you'll want the latter since it gives redundancy and the possibility for autorecovery (e.g. watchdog reset triggers a revert to the other image)
2017-02-19T23:24:27 < zyp> but if you just want SD stuff, just put everything in the bootloader
2017-02-19T23:24:37 < emeb> Yeah - that seems simplest
2017-02-19T23:24:46 < emeb> just needs RO fatfs + SD
2017-02-19T23:24:57 < emeb> which is pretty tight last I checked.
2017-02-19T23:25:01 < zyp> wrt. the linker script, you just adjust the MEMORY definitions, hang on I'll show you an example
2017-02-19T23:25:23 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.ld http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/arcin.ld
2017-02-19T23:26:37 < emeb> zyp: yep - makes sense
2017-02-19T23:26:46 < emeb> LeelooMinai: thx for link - watching
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2017-02-19T23:28:53 < zyp> I'm planning to make a linker script generation thing as part of my framework eventually, with a built in way to split an area into multiple sections
2017-02-19T23:29:18 < emeb> sounds... "exciting"
2017-02-19T23:30:18 < zyp> nah, it won't be a huge thing, it'll just remove the need to maintain those files separately
2017-02-19T23:31:47 < zyp> it'll simplify multitarget stuff, since linker scripts are target specific
2017-02-19T23:38:55 < emeb> ya
2017-02-19T23:39:07 < emeb> LeelooMinai: that intermediate idea seems interesting.
2017-02-19T23:39:13 < emeb> less mess in the bootcode
2017-02-19T23:39:24 < zyp> intermediate?
2017-02-19T23:39:39 < emeb> the ewet00b vid
2017-02-19T23:39:49 < zyp> care to tl;dw it? I'm not tempted to watch 16 minuts
2017-02-19T23:40:07 < emeb> copy into a simple flash, then copy from flash to internal flash
2017-02-19T23:40:31 < emeb> so bootloader doesn't have to know SD / USB /etc
2017-02-19T23:40:43 < emeb> just copy from external to internal flash
2017-02-19T23:40:48 < zyp> yeah, that's similar to my dual image suggestion
2017-02-19T23:40:56 < emeb> main app code handles the complex interface
2017-02-19T23:41:11 < zyp> but it doesn't leave any way of recovery if you flash a bad firmware
2017-02-19T23:41:16 < emeb> my HW has a 4MB external flash, much of which is unused
2017-02-19T23:41:33 < emeb> suggestion in the vid was to have a backup image in the external flash
2017-02-19T23:41:40 < zyp> are you using more than half of internal flash?
2017-02-19T23:41:42 < emeb> and some validity checking
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2017-02-19T23:42:27 < emeb> hard to say at this point how much of internal flash I'll need
2017-02-19T23:42:50 < emeb> but wouldn't a 2-page internal solution require some weird location stuff?
2017-02-19T23:43:34 < zyp> yes, application needs to be linked for either the A section or the B section
2017-02-19T23:43:42 < emeb> seems fraught
2017-02-19T23:44:02 < emeb> for consumer firmware distribution where you don't know what page the old firmware is on
2017-02-19T23:45:05 < zyp> at a work project, we solved that by just linking it twice, generating an A image and a B image, and then we combined both images into a simple file format
2017-02-19T23:45:17 < emeb> yeah, that'd work too
2017-02-19T23:45:37 < zyp> sections of here comes N bytes that are identical for both images or here comes N bytes for image A followed by N bytes for image B
2017-02-19T23:45:46 < emeb> was going to look at the way BMP handles the bootloader / main division too
2017-02-19T23:46:02 < zyp> so the flash writer would just skip the parts for the other image
2017-02-19T23:46:14 < emeb> yep
2017-02-19T23:46:29 < emeb> "there's more than one way to do it"
2017-02-19T23:47:07 < emeb> but using external flash (which I've got) is attractive since it allows pre-validation
2017-02-19T23:47:12 < zyp> there won't be a lot of differences since it's only absolute addrs, so a combined file only has a few percent overhead over a plain image
2017-02-19T23:47:56 < zyp> well, using external flash means you have to rewrite every single time you want to switch
2017-02-19T23:48:38 < zyp> watchdog reset so image might be bad? grab recovery image and write that
2017-02-19T23:48:53 < zyp> instead of just booting a recovery image that's already in XIP
2017-02-19T23:49:30 < emeb> yeah - no matter what recovery is ugly
2017-02-19T23:49:55 < zyp> external flash makes more sense for chips that are designed to execute from ram
2017-02-19T23:50:32 < zyp> because then there's no penalty for reading external and writing internal on every boot, that's what you're supposed to do
2017-02-19T23:50:54 < emeb> just not real thrilled with the A/B address concept
2017-02-19T23:52:30 < zyp> I wonder how hard it would be to do PIC
2017-02-19T23:52:37 < emeb> PIC = ?
2017-02-19T23:52:38 < zyp> i.e. position-independent code
2017-02-19T23:52:41 < emeb> ah
2017-02-19T23:52:44 < englishman> haha branjb i had to do the same thing
2017-02-19T23:52:54 < englishman> just to run some cadence lunix-only crap
2017-02-19T23:53:08 < englishman> luckily once you 'get it' the assignments go quickly
2017-02-19T23:53:25 < emeb> also, getting the initial backup image into flash would be interesting
2017-02-19T23:53:29 < englishman> like the final assignment was a 4+4-bit carry adder and i did it in like 2h or so
2017-02-19T23:53:30 < zyp> I believe PIC works by keeping relocation symbols, i.e. a table of what needs to be rewritten once you know the actual location
2017-02-19T23:54:25 < zyp> I guess you could just feed the writer a table of stuff to rewrite first, and then it can rewrite them on the fly while the image is streamed
2017-02-19T23:54:35 < emeb> might make a hidden menu option to copy the backup image - part of initial programming is to go through that process.
2017-02-19T23:54:54 < Thorn> unicore-mx uses undocumented registers (GHWCFG2/3) to obtain the endpoint count and fifo size for a particular core
2017-02-19T23:54:59 < zyp> sort of like how it'd work for the A/B stuff, except you don't need to link it twice
2017-02-19T23:55:06 < emeb> ya
2017-02-19T23:55:20 < zyp> Thorn, they are documented in the dwc_otg databook
2017-02-19T23:55:43 < emeb> zyp: didn't you have some bootloader stuff that required M0+?
2017-02-19T23:55:55 < zyp> emeb, bootloaders in general do
2017-02-19T23:56:13 < zyp> M0 doesn't have SCB_VTOR, which tells the cpu where the vector table is
2017-02-19T23:56:48 < Thorn> yeah I haven't looked into it yet
2017-02-19T23:56:53 < emeb> ewwww
2017-02-19T23:57:01 < zyp> without that, you can't move the vector table away from addr 0, which means you can't switch to the application vector table unless there's vendor hardware support for remapping addr 0
2017-02-19T23:57:26 < emeb> so the bootloader needs to set SCB_VTOR before starting the main app
2017-02-19T23:57:34 < zyp> emeb, correct
2017-02-19T23:57:49 < emeb> good info
2017-02-19T23:57:53 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n19
2017-02-19T23:58:48 < emeb> right - so offset is 0x08002000 or whatever the FLASH base from the .ld file is
2017-02-19T23:58:55 < zyp> yep
2017-02-19T23:59:13 < emeb> yay
2017-02-19T23:59:24 < zyp> and that grabs sp from vector 0 and pc from vector 1, just like the cpu does upon boot
2017-02-19T23:59:28  * emeb remembers why he has avoided bootloaders so far
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2017-02-20T00:00:11 < zyp> hmm, in that sense, PIC code could be able to execute both without a bootloader and with
2017-02-20T00:00:16 < zyp> I need to look more into that
2017-02-20T00:00:24 < emeb> sounds like a project
2017-02-20T00:00:29 < zyp> yeah
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2017-02-20T00:01:14 < zyp> if I make some stuff that lets me build a firmware once and then put it anywhere, that could be really useful for a bunch of stuff
2017-02-20T00:01:59 < zyp> I've thought about making a bootloader that can take a ELF directly, but I'm not sure how suitable the order of metadata in a ELF is to streaming
2017-02-20T00:02:46 < zyp> for instance, I need the relocation information up front, because I can't buffer the entire ELF in RAM and I don't want to go back and rewrite flash sectors
2017-02-20T00:03:19 < zyp> LeelooMinai, of course, but just outputting relocation information doesn't help much if you don't have anything that does anything with it
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2017-02-20T00:23:10 < ohsix> rip sweden
2017-02-20T00:25:16 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: what are you into
2017-02-20T00:29:30 < ohsix> emeb: what youtube video (the flash update thing)
2017-02-20T00:29:58 < ohsix> zyp: arent' most addresses in the arm abi pic?
2017-02-20T00:30:02 < ohsix> references
2017-02-20T00:30:42 < ohsix> if you put A & B at two interesting addresses you can always just ignore some of the low order bits of that address and have it work at both
2017-02-20T00:31:13 < ohsix> linker can put all the important stuff at any location & let the bootloader find it
2017-02-20T00:31:45 < emeb> ohsix: LeelooMinai posted it
2017-02-20T00:34:25 < ohsix> ic
2017-02-20T00:38:21 < karlp> zyp: some dude in.... #sigrok iirc was talking about how he worked around the lack of scb_vtor in cm0, iirc he used the "alias ram to blah" tricks instead and had all the vectors in ram.
2017-02-20T00:38:28 < karlp> sounded like a royal fuckaround
2017-02-20T00:38:55 < englishman> think that'll be in f72x?
2017-02-20T00:38:58 < ohsix> it's not like you need to do multiboot or fixups in the bootloader
2017-02-20T00:39:05 < ohsix> a hack is finetown
2017-02-20T00:39:29 < ohsix> you can always have the bootloader protocol do fixups too
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2017-02-20T00:43:17 < Laurenceb_> <ohsix> Laurenceb_: what are you into
2017-02-20T00:43:18 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-02-20T00:43:20 < englishman> dongs, pneumaticshit obsoleted http://www.eurocircuits.com/ec-equipment-ec-stencil-mate/
2017-02-20T00:43:36 < ohsix> zyp: for elf, wouldn't you just keep the fixups and apply them as you later saw the sections going to flash?
2017-02-20T00:43:45 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: the ceramic glue stuff, what are you doing
2017-02-20T00:44:54 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: trying to make a vane system that can resist 1700C rocket exhaust for a few hundred ms
2017-02-20T00:45:07 < zyp> ohsix, yes, as long as you get that metadata before the actual sections
2017-02-20T00:45:20 < englishman> time for Laurenceb_ to attend a pottery class
2017-02-20T00:45:31 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-02-20T00:45:44 < englishman> do you jest
2017-02-20T00:45:48 < englishman> i never jest
2017-02-20T00:46:25 < ohsix> zyp: can they be anywhere? is there a table of indirection that lets you put the fixups after the text section?
2017-02-20T00:46:34 < Laurenceb_> I guess I could make a silicone negative mold
2017-02-20T00:46:38 < zyp> idk, it's been years since I last read on ELF format
2017-02-20T00:46:40 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: oic
2017-02-20T00:46:43 < Laurenceb_> then use pottery or whatever
2017-02-20T00:47:01 < ohsix> zyp: word, i'm gonna do that, just sounded like something i missed or wasnt' true olol
2017-02-20T00:47:15 < zyp> ohsix, lemme know how it goes
2017-02-20T00:47:24 < ohsix> aye aye
2017-02-20T00:47:30 < zyp> I mean, if you get to it before I do
2017-02-20T00:47:49 < ohsix> DOING
2017-02-20T00:48:30 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: my other option is DMLS titanium
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2017-02-20T00:48:57 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: huhuh nasa keeps talking about aerogels and shit even with the old press images
2017-02-20T00:49:09 < ohsix> carbon is a good suggestion
2017-02-20T00:49:21 < Laurenceb_> yeah but would need CNC, expensive
2017-02-20T00:49:23 < ohsix> how many cycles does it have to withstand and wat loads and shit
2017-02-20T00:49:26 < kakimir> carbon fiber
2017-02-20T00:49:35 < Laurenceb_> it has to do a single cycle, its single use
2017-02-20T00:49:52 < Laurenceb_> about 10 to 15MPa loading
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2017-02-20T00:51:00 < ohsix> if i had any hope of adding anything to the conversation i'd have to plug some shit into solidworks or something
2017-02-20T00:51:20 < ohsix> am nae materials scientists
2017-02-20T00:51:31 < Laurenceb_> https://imagebin.ca/v/3CjOIcSSZpWY
2017-02-20T00:51:54 < Laurenceb_> aftermath of SLS nylon attempt, it didnt do so bad, but its not very close to working
2017-02-20T00:51:59 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-20T00:52:07 < Laurenceb_> needs to be about 8 times slower ablating
2017-02-20T00:52:18 < ohsix> so is the vane on there from launch and expected to go away
2017-02-20T00:52:26 < ohsix> just to give it a bit of spin
2017-02-20T00:52:29 < Laurenceb_> there are vanes to spin it
2017-02-20T00:52:38 < Laurenceb_> at the right speed they snap off
2017-02-20T00:53:02 < ohsix> that explains the cad thing
2017-02-20T00:53:06 < Laurenceb_> https://imagebin.ca/v/3CioxmkTkTi9 snap mechanism is the copper figure of 8
2017-02-20T00:53:55 < ohsix> don't you have access to basic ceramics junk at the school
2017-02-20T00:54:21 < Laurenceb_> it needs pretty high precision, but yeah just fireclay and silicone negative mold may work
2017-02-20T00:54:23 < ohsix> heheh you could do a toolhead swap on a 3d printer to print the stuff
2017-02-20T00:54:37 < Laurenceb_> nah 3d printers dont have the accuracy I dont think
2017-02-20T00:54:47 < Laurenceb_> I had to use SLS for the nylon to get it good enough
2017-02-20T00:54:49 < ohsix> the one at the lab is pretty easy to swap and already heavy as shit, been thinking about making other toolheads
2017-02-20T00:54:50 < karlp> get a better 3d printer?
2017-02-20T00:55:01 < karlp> 3d printers aren't all extrusion numbnuts
2017-02-20T00:55:07 < Laurenceb_> karlp: no filament deposition stuff is good enough
2017-02-20T00:55:10 < karlp> surely your SLS is also a 3d printer?
2017-02-20T00:55:16 < Laurenceb_> ok lol
2017-02-20T00:55:28 < Laurenceb_> to me thats like calling a discovery board and arduino
2017-02-20T00:55:36 < ohsix> it has arduino headers
2017-02-20T00:55:40 < ohsix> BOOOOOOOM
2017-02-20T00:55:40 < Laurenceb_> *an
2017-02-20T00:55:44  * karlp hi5s ohsix
2017-02-20T00:55:59 < karlp> your a shitty wizard harrry^h^^h laurence
2017-02-20T00:56:11 < ohsix> if you could 3d print ceramic, the precision you'd probably need to care about next is balance so it doesn't just explode
2017-02-20T00:56:37 < ohsix> you definitely design down to a 3d printer, to what it can actually do; might take a lot of work
2017-02-20T00:56:49 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: sure thats one of the reasons it needs to be accurate, but it wont explode, just precess badly
2017-02-20T00:57:00 < BrainDamage> if Laurenceb is a wizard, what's his power? summoning shitty memes?
2017-02-20T00:57:12 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: right, i dunno how fast it spins ;D
2017-02-20T00:57:16 < Laurenceb_> dank memes, DANK
2017-02-20T00:57:21 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: 450hz
2017-02-20T00:57:25 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-20T00:57:34 < karlp> Laurenceb_: talk to protolabs, they're in the uk aren't they? they do cheap metal shit too
2017-02-20T00:57:34 < Laurenceb_> not nice
2017-02-20T00:57:44 < Laurenceb_> karlp: ok, thanks for the name
2017-02-20T00:57:48 < ohsix> you can also do slight machining after to take some of that out
2017-02-20T00:58:01 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: I managed it with a Estes motor on the side
2017-02-20T00:59:07 < Laurenceb_> here https://gfycat.com/ScaredPartialDobermanpinscher
2017-02-20T00:59:41 < Laurenceb_> the vanes is same idea but hopefully a lot simpler, no need for an ignition system to be onboard
2017-02-20T00:59:52 < ohsix> seems fine
2017-02-20T01:00:02 < ohsix> heheh you used one with a parachute charge thing on the end
2017-02-20T01:00:26 < Laurenceb_> yeah it works perfectly, pity it needs a teeny ignition system that triggers automatically at the right time then drops off
2017-02-20T01:00:31 < Laurenceb_> not an easy one to solve
2017-02-20T01:00:56 < ohsix> drill into the engine and put a release trigger in at that point
2017-02-20T01:01:24 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-02-20T01:01:36 < ohsix> you're kind of at a spot where something likely pretty expensive will do perfectly
2017-02-20T01:02:38 < Laurenceb_> yeah I've written a nice 6dof sim of the whole thing
2017-02-20T01:03:02 < Laurenceb_> then run a load of Monte Carlo to look at tolerances, its pretty clear what works
2017-02-20T01:03:27 < Laurenceb_> but I'm wary to commit the money before running a test of the whole thing that works
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2017-02-20T01:03:36 < Laurenceb_> guess thats a catch 22 situation lol
2017-02-20T01:03:56 < kakimir> I actually read the book
2017-02-20T01:04:00 < kakimir> catch 22
2017-02-20T01:04:58 < Laurenceb_> I guess 1) redesign the vanes for CNC milling from graphite 2) submit the files to various places 3) if it costs <1k or so I'll go with it
2017-02-20T01:06:33 < ohsix> can't you find some material that you can cast, then bake off all the shit so there's just a carbon structure left behind
2017-02-20T01:07:25 < Laurenceb_> yeah that was my thought as well, rage inducingly I cant seem to find anything
2017-02-20T01:07:25 < ohsix> or ceramic
2017-02-20T01:07:35 < ohsix> hehe
2017-02-20T01:07:39 < ohsix> i bet you can do it with cookies
2017-02-20T01:07:44 < Laurenceb_> well the ceramic stuff cast in a silicone rubber negative might work
2017-02-20T01:07:58 < ohsix> i've seen burnt food that was pretty strong
2017-02-20T01:08:25 < Laurenceb_> the rocket motor just uses cardbard, it carbonizes inside and only about 0.1mm/s of thickness is lost
2017-02-20T01:09:08 < Laurenceb_> shit I know
2017-02-20T01:09:09 < ohsix> https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/presspacs/2016/acs-presspac-july-13-2016/making-a-multi-use-stiff-carbon-foam-using-bread.html
2017-02-20T01:09:17 < Laurenceb_> wood flour filled SLS nylon
2017-02-20T01:09:23 < ohsix> o dag
2017-02-20T01:09:27 < ohsix> or even carbon filled
2017-02-20T01:09:42 < ohsix> there's some glass filled stuff too
2017-02-20T01:09:42 < Laurenceb_> pity the SLS people wont let me load custom stuff in their megabux machine
2017-02-20T01:09:57 < ohsix> can you post process some fiberglass & resin or something on top of it?
2017-02-20T01:10:04 < Laurenceb_> yeah that will prob just come off as a powder, wood flour is fibrous
2017-02-20T01:10:26 < Laurenceb_> maybe, but it will conduct head and the nylon generates tons of gas past ~400C
2017-02-20T01:10:36 < ohsix> ah
2017-02-20T01:10:38 < Laurenceb_> so a coating would be blown off
2017-02-20T01:10:53 < ohsix> you need a vacuum or inert gas to really make the good carbon foams
2017-02-20T01:10:53 < Laurenceb_> I thought this effect would protect the nylon
2017-02-20T01:10:55 < aandrew> ohsix: http://sci-hub.io/10.1021/acsami.6b03985 if you want the doc
2017-02-20T01:11:14 < Laurenceb_> but it turns out it ablates about 4 to 8 times too fast to work
2017-02-20T01:11:26 < ohsix> aandrew: nice, haha nah, i've incidentally already created some and it just came to mind
2017-02-20T01:11:30 < Laurenceb_> hard to work out exactly how fast is too fast
2017-02-20T01:12:05 < ohsix> aandrew: and next time it happens i get to see how they hold up to a massive torch
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2017-02-20T01:19:39 < ohsix> zyp: quick non-answer, ld --verbose shows that at least with default scripts, all the rel sections are before text
2017-02-20T01:19:59 < ohsix> i'll find out later if it is ill advised or whatever to do it any other way
2017-02-20T01:20:29 < ohsix> even outside of the bootloader context, it seems like a good idea to have that information before you have to load the sections
2017-02-20T01:22:35 < ohsix> heh fam has been talking/arguing over what to get for dinner for more than an hour, and actual dinner is a few hours out still
2017-02-20T01:28:10 < ohsix> but even if you got them later, patching flash isn't super bad, you just need to keep the header around and verify they've all been patched every boot ;] (but then, you could also keep it out of the update process entirely)
2017-02-20T01:29:06 < Laurenceb_> https://www.buttfoods.co.uk/
2017-02-20T01:29:22 < Laurenceb_> what were they thinking...
2017-02-20T01:29:22 < ohsix> wow
2017-02-20T01:29:33 < ohsix> that it responds with a loading symbol without the page flashing is a little unsettling
2017-02-20T01:29:57 < ohsix> haha Laurenceb_ go to #5
2017-02-20T01:30:09 < ohsix> timecop has an image called freshlybaked.jpg with a dude holding a huge turd
2017-02-20T01:30:28 < ohsix> and if i remembered the url i'd ahve just posted it
2017-02-20T01:31:13 < ohsix> anyways butt is kind of a genius name for a food company, if it's your real name
2017-02-20T01:31:34 < ohsix> anyone that makes a joek about it or whatever, you get to talk about the butt family heritage and how much you care about $food
2017-02-20T01:31:50 < ohsix> how you're just one in a long line of butts
2017-02-20T01:31:54 < ohsix> you can't lose
2017-02-20T01:37:32 < ohsix> an unbroken chain of butts, to great great great uncle arnold butts, who first cultivated the rare yeasts in north cumberland, on the prestigious butt farm
2017-02-20T01:40:51 < ohsix> zyp: not finding anything that says what section order is valid or not
2017-02-20T01:52:07 < zyp> ohsix, it's not too important, if ELF doesn't work very well with streaming, you could just make your own bootloader image format that puts everything in the order you need
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2017-02-20T02:18:08 < kakimir> any rusty car specialists around?
2017-02-20T02:19:23 < zyp> how rusty are we talking?
2017-02-20T02:19:35 < kakimir> I need plate set for old box shape pajero
2017-02-20T02:19:53 < zyp> a what?
2017-02-20T02:20:06 < kakimir> sheets or preshaped metal
2017-02-20T02:20:17 < kakimir> to weld under the car
2017-02-20T02:21:00 < kakimir> over rysty ones
2017-02-20T02:21:08 < kakimir> to pass inspection
2017-02-20T02:21:33 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-02-20T02:21:48 < zyp> hmm, my 240 never had any problems with rust, now that I think about it
2017-02-20T02:21:49 < kakimir> rocker panels and such replacements
2017-02-20T02:22:02 < kakimir> you have salt on road?
2017-02-20T02:22:09 < zyp> I mean, it was a bit rusty, but not to the point where it affected inspection
2017-02-20T02:22:11 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-20T02:22:17 < kakimir> or too north to have any use for salt?
2017-02-20T02:22:29 < zyp> well, I've been living in the south since 2008
2017-02-20T02:22:32 < kakimir> when you go enought north salt has no benefits
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2017-02-20T02:31:23 < kakimir> dry snow and ice have high grip
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2017-02-20T02:53:22 < kakimir> how does 1-component polyuretane glue cure?
2017-02-20T02:53:32 < kakimir> let's say between sheets of metal
2017-02-20T02:53:53 < kakimir> it activates somehow as it contacts with air
2017-02-20T02:53:54 < kakimir> ?
2017-02-20T02:54:13 < kakimir> and then you can just throw sheet on top of it?
2017-02-20T02:59:26 < dongs> englishman: uh, that doesnt STRETCH teh stencil
2017-02-20T03:01:42 < dongs> englishman: if you want "simple pin registration system" - just ghetto up stencil8
2017-02-20T03:01:49 < dongs> which sucks, so
2017-02-20T03:02:03 < dongs> stencil8 prevents you from squeeging over the board because of the fucking pegs are way too close to pcb array
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2017-02-20T03:14:42 < zyp> can't you just move the mounting holes further away?
2017-02-20T03:16:30 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: aiui its water vapour
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2017-02-20T03:22:00 < Laurenceb_> http://www.zytekautomotive.co.uk/services/embedded-software-developmen/
2017-02-20T03:22:07 < Laurenceb_> nice valves on ur schematic
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2017-02-20T03:23:52 < zyp> schematics were more fun before everything turned into rectangles with text? :)
2017-02-20T03:25:06 < zyp> more curious what that part on the left side is, looks like automotive water cooled power electronics, wonder if it's EV stuff
2017-02-20T03:27:18 < Laurenceb_> prob cuz thats what they make
2017-02-20T03:27:58 < zyp> ah, cool
2017-02-20T03:28:18 < zyp> it reminded me of the brusa 22kW charger
2017-02-20T03:28:49 < zyp> http://www.brusa.biz/en/products/charger/charger-400-v/nlg664.html <- this sort of shit
2017-02-20T03:38:54 < kakimir> vienna-rectifier?
2017-02-20T03:39:03 < kakimir> basically?
2017-02-20T03:40:29 < kakimir> yes hello crt 
2017-02-20T03:41:17 < kakimir> and good night
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2017-02-20T03:55:26 < upgrdman> so just recorded another retarduino video. my super autistic mic amplifier worked really well. really quite surprised. i prolly wont buy a proper mic/amp now.
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2017-02-20T03:58:51 < upgrdman> i just kept powered it with AA's
2017-02-20T03:59:04 < upgrdman> will try LDO later on. i dont have any on hand
2017-02-20T03:59:31 < upgrdman> crt, well they ARE eneloop *pros*    http://farrellf.com/temp/mic_amplifier.jpg
2017-02-20T04:00:17 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-02-20T04:01:40 < upgrdman> did your dick release the magic smoke
2017-02-20T04:03:07 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-02-20T04:03:42 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/c221ad7cb266abc265f2472ae18f1d328453a73bebdbfbe468a4f974749d92e5.png
2017-02-20T04:06:13 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/q3E5nve.gifv
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2017-02-20T04:21:21 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/HonoredMediocreCattle
2017-02-20T04:23:26 < branjb> that gif I don't even
2017-02-20T04:34:35 < Laurenceb_> film set?
2017-02-20T04:39:52 < englishman> dongs: impossible, what kind of 1500eur stencil printer doesnt even stretch the foils
2017-02-20T04:41:53 < englishman> if so thats complete junk
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2017-02-20T05:21:26 < branjb> apparently one of my professors streams on twitch
2017-02-20T05:21:29 < branjb> https://www.twitch.tv/crusadert2
2017-02-20T05:30:58 < aandrew> attn dongs: http://amaze-brand.com/pages/amazeballs
2017-02-20T05:34:18 < aandrew> http://www.altium.com/Eagle-Altium-Designer-Promo
2017-02-20T05:34:33 < aandrew> 40% off if you've got an eagle license, USD$5500
2017-02-20T05:34:42 < branjb> o only $5k lemme pull out the CC
2017-02-20T05:35:32 < aandrew> that's not a terrible price at all for a biz
2017-02-20T05:35:39 < branjb> yea
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2017-02-20T05:57:05 < Peter_M> aandrew consider the following: No.
2017-02-20T05:57:46 < Peter_M> actually, nvm, i guess i havent looked at the price recently
2017-02-20T05:58:10 < Peter_M> when i bought my perpetual license it was around half that
2017-02-20T05:59:45 < aandrew> how long ago was that?
2017-02-20T06:01:14 < Peter_M> mid to late 2000s?
2017-02-20T06:02:21 < ohsix> zyp: ya word
2017-02-20T06:02:24 < aandrew> a LONG time ago then heh
2017-02-20T06:02:48 < englishman> hahaha
2017-02-20T06:02:54 < englishman> @ eagle
2017-02-20T06:03:22 < Peter_M> it's not *that long ago*
2017-02-20T06:03:58 < ohsix> zyp: wat i'm gonna look for is de-facto evidence of load order, even if it just happens to be a coincidence of the linker script and ld or some shti
2017-02-20T06:04:29 < ohsix> so unless you do something extremely weird there's not much chance of it breaking, and if you got them out of order you could just abort or some shit
2017-02-20T06:28:27 < englishman> http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/02/18/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-performance-leak-intel-will-be-worried/#bf67ab669ceb
2017-02-20T06:28:37 < englishman> ryzen 5 1600x for $260? that has to be bs
2017-02-20T06:28:41 < englishman> or faked benchmarks
2017-02-20T06:29:22 < branjb> lol oroville lake back @ 98% capacity and new critical flaw discovered in spillway
2017-02-20T06:29:23 < branjb> RIP 
2017-02-20T06:33:18 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/uuMOToE.jpg
2017-02-20T06:33:37 < englishman> ryzen is fake as fuck
2017-02-20T06:43:04 < aandrew> I'm waiting for ryzen to get released so I can pick up a cheaper amd system for an amd contract
2017-02-20T06:44:43 < englishman> if they pay you in options make sure you get 2015 prices
2017-02-20T06:45:22 < aandrew> heh
2017-02-20T06:45:34 < aandrew> no, the dude I'm working for does want to hire me on fulltime
2017-02-20T06:45:37 < aandrew> lol no
2017-02-20T06:46:01 < aandrew> the problem with being a successful contractor is the inevitable drop in pay if you ever want to go back
2017-02-20T06:46:16 < aandrew> at this point I'll possibly go back when I want to retire
2017-02-20T06:46:58 < emeb_mac> retire to a cube farm - NEVER!
2017-02-20T06:47:08 < aandrew> nah
2017-02-20T06:47:14 < aandrew> NDI wants to hire me
2017-02-20T06:47:19 < aandrew> I'd seriously consider working there fulltime
2017-02-20T06:47:22 < aandrew> great, great company
2017-02-20T06:47:51 < munki> aandrew: ndi engineering?
2017-02-20T06:48:02 < aandrew> no, ndigital.com
2017-02-20T06:48:15 < munki> looks legit
2017-02-20T06:48:18 < aandrew> they are
2017-02-20T06:48:36 < aandrew> very cool company. you know they're doing something right when damn near everyone there has been there 20+ years
2017-02-20T06:48:42 < aandrew> that's totally unheard of
2017-02-20T06:49:10 < aandrew> last summer they do these weekly ice cream social events
2017-02-20T06:49:21 < emeb_mac> mmmm.... ice cream
2017-02-20T06:49:43 < aandrew> I was in line beside soeone I didn't know, said hi, got talking a bit, then he asks me what I do there and I said "I'm a contractor on the vega project, what do you do?" "Oh, I'm the president"
2017-02-20T06:49:46 < aandrew> heh
2017-02-20T06:49:48 < emeb_mac> I remember when Mentor Graphics had beer in the employee break rooms
2017-02-20T06:49:55 < aandrew> everyone there is really laid back 
2017-02-20T06:50:01 < aandrew> *nods*
2017-02-20T06:50:11 < aandrew> I used to buy beer when I worked late at touchtunes
2017-02-20T06:52:14 < munki> aandrew: how old are you outof curiousity
2017-02-20T06:52:21 < munki> approxmiately
2017-02-20T06:52:25 < aandrew> I'm 41 this year
2017-02-20T06:54:44 < munki> not bad
2017-02-20T06:55:00 < munki> finding a dream job like that and yu're pretty young still
2017-02-20T06:56:31 < aandrew> yeah, my pro life has been very lucky IMO
2017-02-20T06:56:59 < aandrew> I know my shit, but I've had a LOT of very good opportunities which allowed me to get there
2017-02-20T06:57:50 < aandrew> not ready to retire anytime soon (young kids, big house, etc) but the experiences at all these different companies mean I have a much better idea of what I'm interested in
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2017-02-20T07:09:49 < munki> in my field people usually retire ~40
2017-02-20T07:10:04 < munki> but that's due to more or less  artificial career limitations
2017-02-20T07:10:16 < munki> and usually most people start fresh after that
2017-02-20T07:10:21 < aandrew> right
2017-02-20T07:10:26 < aandrew> I don't want to do that
2017-02-20T07:10:44 < aandrew> I figure the longer I do this the more valuable I become as long as I don't turn into (more of) an asshole
2017-02-20T07:11:05 < emeb_mac> "value" is in the eye of the beholder
2017-02-20T07:11:09 < munki> yea it sucks for us tol ose all that institutional knowledge but it's up or out for us
2017-02-20T07:11:35 < emeb_mac> some companies see > 40yo and figure you're past it
2017-02-20T07:11:41 < emeb_mac> good ones don't
2017-02-20T07:11:56 < branjb> munki did you ever figure out your spi thing last night?
2017-02-20T07:12:05 < munki> branjb: yes more or less
2017-02-20T07:12:14 < munki> figured out this device cannot do what i want
2017-02-20T07:12:14 < munki> lol
2017-02-20T07:12:28 < branjb> lol
2017-02-20T07:12:30 < munki> i was trying to make it into a 5V gpio expander basically
2017-02-20T07:12:40 < branjb> were you able to receive anything on spi?
2017-02-20T07:12:44 < munki> but the spi signal logic hi is .8*Vdd
2017-02-20T07:12:49 < munki> and if i have Vdd = 5
2017-02-20T07:12:56 < munki> then stm32 cannot communicate with it
2017-02-20T07:13:17 < munki> once i switched to 3v3 it worked fine
2017-02-20T07:13:24 < aandrew> emeb_mac: hence being a contractor
2017-02-20T07:13:34 < aandrew> it's the old $5000 for a mark of chalk parable
2017-02-20T07:14:08 < aandrew> I get brought in to figure osmething out, so in that sense whether you're 20 or 60 doesn't matter
2017-02-20T07:14:26 < aandrew> and sometimes they have to pay a few 20 year olds before they realize they'd have saved money hiring the 60yo for a month
2017-02-20T07:15:11 < aandrew> actually at NDI they hired the "other guy" for 6 months then called me up to see if I was still availbale
2017-02-20T07:15:16 < aandrew> 1.5y later I'm still there
2017-02-20T07:15:40 < branjb> ah
2017-02-20T07:15:48 < branjb> so you put vdd on the expander at 3.3 and it worked?
2017-02-20T07:15:59 < munki> branjb: yep
2017-02-20T07:16:01 < branjb> was it reading the 3v mosi as constant low?
2017-02-20T07:16:06 < munki> yep
2017-02-20T07:16:10 < branjb> interesting
2017-02-20T07:16:12 < munki> same with the clock
2017-02-20T07:16:28 < munki> i guess teh fluctuations we saw on the scope were just voltage dips or something
2017-02-20T07:16:43 < branjb> if you used a logic converter on your clk and mosi, could you put vdd at 5v and use it as a 5v expander?
2017-02-20T07:16:54 < munki> yeah probably
2017-02-20T07:16:59 < branjb> that's a cool idea
2017-02-20T07:17:25 < branjb> i've always just used opamps or logic converters
2017-02-20T07:17:39 < branjb> never thought to use a gpio expander like that
2017-02-20T07:17:43 < munki> it all turned to be for naught though it seems. The chip i was going to use the 5V interface for turned out to accept as low as 2.7v logic HI
2017-02-20T07:17:52 < branjb> lol
2017-02-20T07:17:56 < branjb> rip
2017-02-20T07:18:18 < munki> even though i misread it basically lol and thought the 5V Vdd meant 5V logic
2017-02-20T07:20:32 < munki> now it's time for me to learn about FSMC and try to do mmio with this CI
2017-02-20T07:20:33 < munki> IC
2017-02-20T07:20:41 < munki> YM2151 fm synth
2017-02-20T07:21:00 < emeb_mac> big fun
2017-02-20T07:21:15 < emeb_mac> those old FM chips are interesting
2017-02-20T07:21:43 < branjb> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101117071914AAXkswu
2017-02-20T07:21:48 < emeb_mac> what will you drive it with? MIDI files?
2017-02-20T07:23:34 < munki> emeb_mac: i hope to just experiment with stuff. Maybe i'll do just some direct interfacing with switches and knobs and stuff but eventually i'd like to use a midi port and hook up my keyboard to it
2017-02-20T07:24:27 < emeb_mac> munki: sounds fun. I did a from-scratch verilog implementation of an 8-op FM synth.
2017-02-20T07:24:42 < munki> that sounds awesome
2017-02-20T07:24:46 < emeb_mac> kind of a bastard cross between the DX-7 and OPL3
2017-02-20T07:24:49 < munki> i think this one is wavetable based so not that cool
2017-02-20T07:24:54 < branjb> you have that code on github?  it'd be cool to look at
2017-02-20T07:25:18 < emeb_mac> Haven't open-sourced that yet. Chance I may be able to sell it as a product
2017-02-20T07:25:50 < emeb_mac> Added all sorts of non-standard features - fully flexible algorithms and lots of extensibility.
2017-02-20T07:26:31 < emeb_mac> whole thing fits in a $6 Lattice FPGA with room to spare. Been driving it with an STM32F303
2017-02-20T07:27:05 < emeb_mac> this board with an audio dac attached -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/f303_ice5/index.html
2017-02-20T07:29:25 < branjb> no worries
2017-02-20T07:29:36 < branjb> it sounds interesting
2017-02-20T07:39:31 < munki> are there any good resources for reading up on how to use FSMC?
2017-02-20T07:40:01 < emeb_mac> read the datasheet / ref manual. study the example projects
2017-02-20T07:40:08 < emeb_mac> that's about all I did
2017-02-20T07:42:34 < munki> i wonder if there is any good documentationfor just using it as an arbitrary parallel bus
2017-02-20T07:44:01 < emeb_mac> just try it and see - should be fairly straightforward
2017-02-20T07:44:34 < munki> yea maybe i'll just do some LED addressing and see how that goes
2017-02-20T07:48:35 < branjb> i've always wondered what those small opamps on uCs were used for.  small signals?
2017-02-20T07:49:07 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-02-20T07:49:24 < emeb_mac> a bit of signal conditioning - filters, gain prior to the ADC
2017-02-20T07:49:32 < emeb_mac> I've never used them though
2017-02-20T07:49:48 < emeb_mac> they're not very good opamps and they're on a noisy substrate.
2017-02-20T07:50:09 < emeb_mac> mainly useful for price reduction on non-critical stuff
2017-02-20T07:50:14 < branjb> i've always wanted to use the analog parts of a cypress PSoC in a project but could never think of anything cool to do with them
2017-02-20T07:50:54 < emeb_mac> I built a hybrid analog/digital oscillator with an old PSoC
2017-02-20T07:50:55 < upgrdman> what special about psoc analog stuff?
2017-02-20T07:51:18 < branjb> nothing super special about them, but can combine them with HDL blocks to do things
2017-02-20T07:51:31 < upgrdman> psoc == mcu + fpga?
2017-02-20T07:51:31 < emeb_mac> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/dvco/index.html
2017-02-20T07:51:38 < emeb_mac> not really
2017-02-20T07:51:40 < branjb> kinda
2017-02-20T07:51:53 < branjb> the HDL part is not very big
2017-02-20T07:51:55 < emeb_mac> mcu + limited function analog & digital tiles
2017-02-20T07:52:32 < branjb> there was a cool thread on eevblog about someone driving a vga monitor using only the HDL part of it
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2017-02-20T07:53:41 < emeb_mac> well, you can drive a VGA monitor with a PIC too - nothing super special about that
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2017-02-20T07:54:35 < branjb> yeah it was more just an interesting project
2017-02-20T07:54:45 < branjb> independant of the uC
2017-02-20T07:55:06 < branjb> i made astroids with a spartan6 in school lol
2017-02-20T07:55:54 < emeb_mac> neat
2017-02-20T07:57:09 < branjb> I need to think of another project to keep my verilog fresh
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2017-02-20T08:02:59 < upgrdman> mine buttcoins with em
2017-02-20T08:03:10 < branjb> lol
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2017-02-20T09:08:20 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/daviottenheimer/status/833495843760005120
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2017-02-20T09:22:18 < upgrdman> ohsix, that is the thinnest RMS i've seen
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2017-02-20T11:32:48 < dongs> sup dongs
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2017-02-20T11:46:17 < timon9> Hi guys, I have a question regarding MPU on STM32F7. I try to prevent read access on the code block with the MPU. It somehow works for access via the ITCM bus but not via the AXIM bus. This means I can not access the flash region via 0x0020xxxx but via 0x0808xxxx
2017-02-20T11:46:51 < timon9> If I remove the MPU protection both work. Any idea what's the problem here?
2017-02-20T11:46:57 < timon9> Base address is 0x00000000 and size 512 MiB
2017-02-20T11:47:03 < timon9> This should cover the whole flash area
2017-02-20T11:49:32 < dongs> timon9: are you trying to hide your code
2017-02-20T11:50:05 < timon9> dongs: somehow, yes
2017-02-20T11:50:52 < timon9> at least a part, but started to restrict the whole area for testing
2017-02-20T11:53:16 < timon9> dongs: any idea why the access is different for AXIM and ITCM bus?
2017-02-20T11:53:17 < dongs> yeah unless youre doing somethign amazing on that F7
2017-02-20T11:53:22 < dongs> chances are, someone else already did it better
2017-02-20T11:53:45 < dongs> timon9: because thats how it works
2017-02-20T11:54:44 < timon9> dongs: you mean this is not possible?
2017-02-20T11:55:04 < timon9> I mean the MPU restricts memory access on address base
2017-02-20T11:55:19 < timon9> why are some addresses not affected?
2017-02-20T11:55:37 < timon9> do you have some reference on the manual?
2017-02-20T11:59:36 < zyp> that sounds weird
2017-02-20T12:01:23 < dongs> zano reedman still hasn't accepted my dicked in request :(
2017-02-20T12:11:06 < dongs> not this dickstarter projcet
2017-02-20T12:11:24 < dongs> yesterday after the dude swapped to zero-crossing optotriacs
2017-02-20T12:11:26 < dongs> he calls me and like
2017-02-20T12:11:36 < dongs> 'o man, the triac temperature went down to 50c with these new optos'
2017-02-20T12:11:39 < dongs> i was like uhhh what was it before?
2017-02-20T12:11:41 < dongs> "oh around 100C
2017-02-20T12:11:43 < dongs> ...
2017-02-20T12:11:58 < dongs> this is on something thats supposed to have these on 24/7
2017-02-20T12:12:27 < dongs> voice over by CRT
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2017-02-20T12:14:59 < zyp> timon9, M7 TRM says nothing to indicate that MPU doesn't apply to AXIM
2017-02-20T12:16:11 < zyp> timon9, are you sure you have it configured right? maybe your region is 128M or smaller, not the 512M you believe
2017-02-20T12:22:02 < sync_> crt: well, if it is only to save them in the cause of failure. why not 90°C
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2017-02-20T12:42:31 < dongs> time to do this logfs thing.
2017-02-20T12:44:05 < zyp> dongs, regarding paypal in japan, do you know it's possible to put money into your account without using a credit/debit card?
2017-02-20T12:44:18 < dongs> no
2017-02-20T12:44:26 < dongs> thats one of the catches.
2017-02-20T12:44:29 < zyp> in norway, I can do a direct bank transfer, and that gets less fees, but that's not possible in jp?
2017-02-20T12:44:32 < dongs> you have no way to fund the account other than receiving money from someone else
2017-02-20T12:44:41 < dongs> nope, not possible
2017-02-20T12:44:46 < dongs> you cant withdraw moneyt to account from CC either
2017-02-20T12:45:04 < dongs> you can use a CC with paypal account directly to pay for something but then you mgiht as well use cc at whatever shop
2017-02-20T12:47:39 < zyp> in this case, I'm trying to figure out the cheapest way for somebody in jp to send me money
2017-02-20T12:48:15 < dongs> zyp, they can send it to me
2017-02-20T12:48:19 < zyp> dongs, what about fees on international bank transfers? i.e. SWIFT/IBAN shit
2017-02-20T12:48:19 < dongs> (and it stops there)
2017-02-20T12:48:21 < zyp> haha
2017-02-20T12:48:40 < dongs> anywhere from $20 to $60-ish
2017-02-20T12:48:50 < dongs> so def not worth when its anything less than few thousand
2017-02-20T12:48:54 < zyp> just a fixed fee, not a percentage?
2017-02-20T12:49:22 < dongs> there's some 0.005% or wahtever shit off amount, but the base fee depends on bank + intermediate banks
2017-02-20T12:49:49 < zyp> might still be cheaper than paypal's fee, idk, I haven't done the math
2017-02-20T12:50:00 < dongs> how much are you talking here
2017-02-20T12:50:15 < dongs> like >5 < 10k?
2017-02-20T12:51:11 < zyp> yen or usd or what?
2017-02-20T12:51:22 < dongs> usd
2017-02-20T12:51:26 < dongs> 10k yen is fuck off
2017-02-20T12:51:56 < zyp> yeah, I figured, but this will be a jpy-nok transaction, so I'm not used to think in usd for that :p
2017-02-20T12:52:09 < zyp> probably around the order of 2k usd or so
2017-02-20T12:52:35 < dongs> zyp, found your next project https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-motherbox-true-wireless-charging-power-phone--2
2017-02-20T12:52:47 < dongs> so aroudn $90 in gaypal fees
2017-02-20T12:52:53 < dongs> plus jpy>nok conversion at awful rates
2017-02-20T12:52:55 < dongs> bank is better.
2017-02-20T12:53:13 < dongs> but have them wire equivalent in JPY and convert to nok at your bank wehn receiving
2017-02-20T12:53:35 < dongs> the only problme is unless your pal has a biz accuont of some sort, swift wire stuff will require going to the fucking bank and filling out paperwork
2017-02-20T12:53:49 < dongs> (or they can do it at post office, if they have account there, but still needs papoerwork)
2017-02-20T12:55:04 < sync_> wtf
2017-02-20T12:55:10 < dongs> David Gayer
2017-02-20T12:55:17 < dongs> https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1484000767/tbghxwutylkkuq0uufk4.png
2017-02-20T12:55:20 < sync_> how does japan even do bsnz
2017-02-20T12:55:25 < dongs> they dont
2017-02-20T12:55:31 < dongs> japs are fucking useless
2017-02-20T12:55:38 < dongs> all business is conducted with excel files
2017-02-20T12:55:41 < dongs> printed and faxed
2017-02-20T12:55:44 < dongs> then re-typed into excel
2017-02-20T12:55:45 < dongs> on receipt
2017-02-20T12:55:48 < dongs> and i wish i was joking
2017-02-20T12:56:41 < PeterM> and they pay through pallets of 100yen bills that are picked up from ATMs only within bussiness hours
2017-02-20T12:56:42 < zyp> when I worked with jap phone vendors, we sent excel sheets back and forth with questions
2017-02-20T12:57:00 < karlp> there's a 100yen _bill_?
2017-02-20T12:57:07 < zyp> no
2017-02-20T12:57:14 < zyp> bills are 1000-10000
2017-02-20T12:57:14 < karlp> phew
2017-02-20T12:57:23 < karlp> I was pretty sure I had 100 yen coins when I was tehre.
2017-02-20T12:57:23 < zyp> coins for 1-500
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2017-02-20T12:58:56 < Kuroko> hello
2017-02-20T12:59:16 < Kuroko> I am using a STM32L152, reading the ADC with DMA in a circular buffer
2017-02-20T12:59:46 < karlp> join the club!
2017-02-20T12:59:55 < Kuroko> I want to read other ADC Channel from time to time, a single time, to check the battery voltage
2017-02-20T13:00:19 < Kuroko> do I have to disble DMA, setup for a single conversion, read the ADC and then setup de DMA again?
2017-02-20T13:00:39 < dongs> why not just read them all
2017-02-20T13:00:54 < dongs> add all the channels to scan list
2017-02-20T13:00:58 < dongs> setup DMA to read them all
2017-02-20T13:01:01 < dongs> done
2017-02-20T13:01:15 < Kuroko> I just want to read the battery from time to time, like one time each 10s
2017-02-20T13:01:21 < karlp> use injected
2017-02-20T13:01:27 < Kuroko> and the DMA is reading the other input at 250sps
2017-02-20T13:02:00 < karlp> use injected and don't bother reaeding the injected registers until yuou want them.
2017-02-20T13:02:04 < Kuroko> so, it´s the injected mode I´m looking for?
2017-02-20T13:02:12 < dongs> karlp: how does that work
2017-02-20T13:02:30 < karlp> you can do both, turn on injected when you want, next round will autoinject after the sequence
2017-02-20T13:02:47 < karlp> or you can just leave teh injected channels on all the time, and just only bother reading the injected data regs when you care.
2017-02-20T13:03:01 < Kuroko> I see
2017-02-20T13:03:16 < Kuroko> if I leave it on, will it read at the same 250sps from the timer?
2017-02-20T13:03:21 < karlp> go read "ADC operating modes" app note, it talks a lot about ways you can use the injected channels for this sort of thing.
2017-02-20T13:03:36 < karlp> if you leave it on, it will do the injected read after every normal sequence.
2017-02-20T13:03:38 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/c4/63/a9/f4/ae/f2/48/5d/CD00258017.pdf/files/CD00258017.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00258017.pdf
2017-02-20T13:04:38 < Kuroko> do you know any board that has an example I can look at in the firmware libraries?
2017-02-20T13:05:13 < dongs> STM32F10x_StdPeriph_Lib_V3.5.0\Project\STM32F10x_StdPeriph_Examples\ADC\TIMTrigger_AutoInjection
2017-02-20T13:05:16 < dongs> this might be related
2017-02-20T13:05:25 < karlp> oh yeah, I forgot, you can even just rigger injected on dmeand and it will trump the current sequence and return to it.
2017-02-20T13:05:26 < Kuroko> I see
2017-02-20T13:05:35 < Kuroko> that´s nice
2017-02-20T13:05:46 < Kuroko> I´ll have look on injected mode
2017-02-20T13:05:48 < Kuroko> thanks
2017-02-20T13:06:45 < karlp> the nice thing is each injected channel has it's own data register, so you don't confuse your circ dma stuff
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2017-02-20T13:27:00 < dongs> ugh
2017-02-20T13:27:24 < dongs> is stm rtc really this sdumb that I need to set DAY OF WEEK??>
2017-02-20T13:28:19 < dongs> no idea
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2017-02-20T13:29:28 < zyp> dongs, yeah, it's just a bunch of dumb counters
2017-02-20T13:31:16 < dongs> hm
2017-02-20T13:31:21 < zyp> the RTC is designed for applications where you want to display dates, but not have a full date lib in your code
2017-02-20T13:31:31 < dongs> RTC_DateStructInit() just setis t ot monday by dfeault heh
2017-02-20T13:32:01 < zyp> but it's utterly useless when you want to do date math, since you then need a full date lib to turn it into a plain timestamp
2017-02-20T13:32:31 < corecode> :)
2017-02-20T13:32:35 < Jak_o_Shadows> You know, how often do you actually need to deal with timezones.
2017-02-20T13:32:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> Just make it UTC and shove it onto the end user
2017-02-20T13:32:43 < Fleck> zyp: ideas how to make bgcolor box for mcufont effectively (meaning, not drawfilledbox before outputing char...)?
2017-02-20T13:33:06 < corecode> i think you can ignore day of week
2017-02-20T13:35:10 < dongs> yeah thats what im gonna do
2017-02-20T13:35:18 < zyp> Fleck, in my implementation, my draw() call blits a rectangle, so I allocate a buffer for the rectangle I want to render into, memset it to bgcolor, have mcufont render over it, then pass the buffer to draw()
2017-02-20T13:36:41 < Fleck> yep, I was thinking of doing the same, draw offscreen, then just copy to screen
2017-02-20T13:36:56 < dongs> also i cant set RTC hours in 24h format? what hte fuck
2017-02-20T13:37:23 < dongs> why would they even waste bits on AM/PM garbage
2017-02-20T13:37:26 < dongs> instead of just storing shit in 24h
2017-02-20T13:37:34 < dongs> thats a fucking display problem not storage problem
2017-02-20T13:37:50 < zyp> Fleck, well, with a SPI display that's what you'd have to do anyway
2017-02-20T13:38:00 < Fleck> ltdc
2017-02-20T13:38:07 < zyp> yeah, I don't use that
2017-02-20T13:38:23 < zyp> I'd probably still use the same API design, then DMA2D to copy to the main buffer
2017-02-20T13:38:30 < Fleck> yep
2017-02-20T13:50:01 < dongs> ok it wokrs
2017-02-20T13:50:16 < dongs> 24h still works to set without doing am/pm shit if rtc was originally put in 24h mode
2017-02-20T13:50:26 < zyp> yep
2017-02-20T13:52:25 < dongs> # date 2017/02/20 20:49:30
2017-02-20T13:52:28 < dongs> nuttx'ing it up
2017-02-20T13:52:31 < dongs> with pro cli
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2017-02-20T13:55:07 < corecode> i gotta say, i thought freescale had bad manuals
2017-02-20T13:55:13 < corecode> but st tops it
2017-02-20T13:55:24 < dongs> uh what
2017-02-20T13:55:28 < dongs> ST manuals are great
2017-02-20T13:55:31 < corecode> they must get their technical writers from the bottom half
2017-02-20T13:55:35 < dongs> its just a lot easier to ask shit in here
2017-02-20T13:55:37 < dongs> than reading them
2017-02-20T13:55:50 < corecode> i can't even read them
2017-02-20T13:55:50 < dongs> nxp/freescale docs are cancer
2017-02-20T13:55:55 < dongs> well, tahts your problem then
2017-02-20T13:55:59 < corecode> super not coherent
2017-02-20T13:56:07 < corecode> it's jumping around
2017-02-20T13:56:13 < dongs> they probably expect the reader not to be a compelte cunt
2017-02-20T13:56:22 < corecode> did you call me a complete cunt?
2017-02-20T13:56:32 < corecode> compelte (sp) even
2017-02-20T13:56:32 < dongs> yes sir
2017-02-20T13:56:39 < corecode> why?
2017-02-20T13:58:09 < dongs> sperg dragon
2017-02-20T13:58:16 < corecode> is this deliberate or do you suffer from some tourettes?
2017-02-20T13:58:24 < dongs> yes
2017-02-20T13:58:28 < dongs> (to both)
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2017-02-20T13:58:51 < corecode> is there any other effects of your tourettes?
2017-02-20T13:59:01 < corecode> or is it literally just the swearing?
2017-02-20T13:59:12 < corecode> ah i guess motor tics
2017-02-20T13:59:40 < corecode> does that make soldering difficult?
2017-02-20T13:59:48 < dongs> The.Sex.Adventures.Of.The.Three.Musketeers.1971.DUBBED.720p.BluRay.x264-CREEPSHOW
2017-02-20T13:59:52 < dongs> i don't even
2017-02-20T13:59:58 < dongs> i wonder what its dubbed from
2017-02-20T14:00:29 < dongs> oh german
2017-02-20T14:01:10 < corecode> or do you use excessive masculine expression to mask your inferiority complex?
2017-02-20T14:01:33 < corecode> you don't have to, we're all welcoming
2017-02-20T14:01:43 < dongs> corecode, are you some kinda m2f?
2017-02-20T14:02:00 < dongs> what's next, you'll stat using ::)))))'s /
2017-02-20T14:02:04 < dongs> start
2017-02-20T14:02:17 < corecode> use what?
2017-02-20T14:03:01 < corecode> crt: what's the time?
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2017-02-20T14:03:49 < corecode> do you get sleepy or hyper when smoking?
2017-02-20T14:04:09 < corecode> right on then
2017-02-20T14:04:12 < corecode> go for it
2017-02-20T14:04:59 < dongs> do it at 24:20
2017-02-20T14:05:23 < dongs> japan time goes to around 25-27h
2017-02-20T14:05:53 < dongs> ask zyp, cuz all his favourite anniemay airs at 25:00 or later
2017-02-20T14:06:47 < dongs> so if RTC is dumb counters
2017-02-20T14:06:52 < dongs> how does it handle shit like leap years
2017-02-20T14:06:55 < dongs> and feb 28/29
2017-02-20T14:07:01 < corecode> does it?
2017-02-20T14:07:07 < dongs> supposedly yes
2017-02-20T14:07:16 < corecode> simple comparator
2017-02-20T14:07:28 < dongs> Compensations for 28-, 29- (leap year), 30-, and 31-day months are performed
2017-02-20T14:07:29 < dongs> automatically. Daylight saving time compensation can also be performed.
2017-02-20T14:07:46 < dongs> crt, after you put it back together?
2017-02-20T14:07:49 < dongs> or while disassembling
2017-02-20T14:10:36 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJFvy8CgvzU hah , neat
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2017-02-20T14:12:11 < corecode> anybody have a HID based firmware update code for reuse?
2017-02-20T14:12:18 < dongs> zyp does
2017-02-20T14:12:36 < corecode> coolio
2017-02-20T14:12:46 < dongs> hm or maybe his shit is just HID in userspace and DFU for update
2017-02-20T14:18:47 < karlp> zyp's is all in c++ of course :)
2017-02-20T14:19:21 < karlp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/cardio/tree/bootloader.cpp is at least one of them
2017-02-20T14:19:36 < dongs> C++11 at that
2017-02-20T14:19:47 < corecode> you know how large that is?
2017-02-20T14:19:56 < karlp> still no designated initializers in c++14 => lame.
2017-02-20T14:20:06 < karlp> corecode: zyps stuff is notoriouslly compact.
2017-02-20T14:20:21 < karlp> but you're the one who's going to have to decide what "large" is in your context.
2017-02-20T14:20:38 < dongs> oh, that one is HID
2017-02-20T14:20:43 < corecode> in this context, i mean, bytes
2017-02-20T14:21:14 < dongs> look at his dicker script
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2017-02-20T14:21:17 < dongs> its marked for 8k
2017-02-20T14:21:23 < corecode> woh
2017-02-20T14:21:25 < dongs> but i'd guess it probly uses less than half of htat
2017-02-20T14:21:43 < dongs> considering my bloted DFU bootlalder based on ST shitcode use ~10k
2017-02-20T14:21:47 < corecode> my kinetis bootloader takes 3KB
2017-02-20T14:21:53 < karlp> probably didn't quite make it under 4k.
2017-02-20T14:21:58 < karlp> go use kinetis then....
2017-02-20T14:22:02 < dongs> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2017-02-20T14:22:09 < corecode> can't
2017-02-20T14:22:26 < dongs> and don't let teh door hit you on the awy out
2017-02-20T14:22:44 < dongs> fucking kinetis is such garbage
2017-02-20T14:22:50 < corecode> karlp: no need to feel attacked
2017-02-20T14:23:01 < dongs> shit docs, even shittier peripherals, I'd say its probably worse than sam3x shit in terms of completely useless
2017-02-20T14:24:08 < karlp> corecode: well, what are you really asking then?  what size are you hoping/expecting for, and have you actually compiled/ported it for your target to see what it compiles to?
2017-02-20T14:24:44 < karlp> given how big most flashs are, zyp probably didn't see much need in trying to squeeze from 5k to under 4k for instance, which is the page granularity or something
2017-02-20T14:24:47 < karlp> so 8k it is.
2017-02-20T14:25:03 < karlp> also, if you have a 3k bootloader already, what's wrong with just using it?
2017-02-20T14:25:04 < corecode> i understand that
2017-02-20T14:25:11 < corecode> well, it's for kinetis
2017-02-20T14:25:21 < karlp> what part of it is kinetis specific?
2017-02-20T14:25:27 < corecode> different usb peripherals and all
2017-02-20T14:25:36 < dongs> surely porting just the usb part should be trivial
2017-02-20T14:25:52 < corecode> using something that already exists is even more trivial
2017-02-20T14:26:06 < corecode> also my bootloader does DFU, but i need HID
2017-02-20T14:26:10 < dongs> most recent Fxx shits come wiht DFU in ROM
2017-02-20T14:26:13 < corecode> for teh no drivers
2017-02-20T14:26:16 < dongs> so you dont need to write anything
2017-02-20T14:26:24 < karlp> so your comparison is immediately irrelevant about sizes anyway :)
2017-02-20T14:26:24 < corecode> yes, but the small ones don't
2017-02-20T14:26:25 < dongs> it loads drivers from windowsupdate automatically.
2017-02-20T14:26:32 < dongs> small ones with usb do
2017-02-20T14:26:43 < corecode> dongs: F103 doesn't
2017-02-20T14:27:29 < dongs> that is correct
2017-02-20T14:27:35 < dongs> thus i said "recent"
2017-02-20T14:27:38 < dongs> F103 is nearly 10 years old.
2017-02-20T14:28:03 < karlp> dongs: corecode isn't enve using f103, they're using gd32 ;)
2017-02-20T14:28:07 < corecode> well, not my choice of chip
2017-02-20T14:28:10 < dongs> yeah, fucking cloner
2017-02-20T14:28:12 < corecode> yes, they are
2017-02-20T14:28:51 < karlp> well, zyps code won't work on f103 anyway ;)
2017-02-20T14:29:00 < corecode> okay then
2017-02-20T14:29:22 < karlp> because st doesn't use the same usb periph on the f103 as the others.
2017-02-20T14:29:51 < corecode> i see
2017-02-20T14:29:59 < corecode> are they really different?
2017-02-20T14:30:25 < karlp> given one is in house, and one is the licensed dwc_otg.... yes. quite a bit.
2017-02-20T14:30:28 < BrainDamage> no, it's the F100 series that's the first
2017-02-20T14:30:43 < BrainDamage> and they changed in successive
2017-02-20T14:30:57 < corecode> i don't know what dwc_otg is
2017-02-20T14:31:04 < karlp> "different" usb.
2017-02-20T14:32:54 < corecode> ok
2017-02-20T14:33:28 < corecode> the kinetis usb is likely purchased - lacking docs.  thankfully the pic32 has a slightly different version of the same peripheral :)
2017-02-20T14:33:42 < dongs> corecode, is your last name reedman
2017-02-20T14:33:52 < corecode> who?
2017-02-20T14:33:55 < dongs> you
2017-02-20T14:34:00 < corecode> who?
2017-02-20T14:34:13 < dongs> he's a PIC32MZ expert
2017-02-20T14:34:28 < corecode> who?
2017-02-20T14:34:36 < dongs> corecode, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2017-02-20T14:34:45 < corecode> lol
2017-02-20T14:34:51 < corecode> finally
2017-02-20T14:35:19 < corecode> karlp: i didn't mean to boast or imply that the 8KB bootloader was bad
2017-02-20T14:35:40 < BrainDamage> it's a reference to ivan reedman, the person behind zano's fail and poor choice of pic as "do everything"
2017-02-20T14:36:01 < corecode> i like the libopencm3 usb stack - looks nice and clean
2017-02-20T14:37:10 < dongs> crt, looks like youve been banned
2017-02-20T14:37:12 < dongs> that page loads fine for me
2017-02-20T14:41:24 < Ecco> Hey
2017-02-20T14:41:35 < Ecco> Is there an easy way to count time on an STM32?
2017-02-20T14:41:51 < corecode> Ecco: there is systick, rtc, tons of timers
2017-02-20T14:41:59 < corecode> what do you want to count?
2017-02-20T14:42:10 < corecode> ms?  days?
2017-02-20T14:42:34 < Ecco> corecode: ms
2017-02-20T14:42:39 < corecode> i'd say use systick
2017-02-20T14:42:52 < Ecco> ok
2017-02-20T14:42:58 < Ecco> I don't want something based off interrupts though
2017-02-20T14:43:16 < Ecco> I'm rather looking for a "polling" API
2017-02-20T14:43:17 < corecode> you'll have to wake up once per systick overflow
2017-02-20T14:43:25 < corecode> hum?
2017-02-20T14:43:26 < corecode> ah
2017-02-20T14:43:29 < Ecco> Something like "int getCurrentTime();"
2017-02-20T14:43:36 < corecode> yes, you just look at the counter
2017-02-20T14:43:36 < corecode> yes
2017-02-20T14:43:36 < Ecco> (I know time will overflow, you get the idea though)
2017-02-20T14:43:45 < Ecco> exactly
2017-02-20T14:43:50 < corecode> systick is just a core register you can read
2017-02-20T14:43:55 < Ecco> oh, like a cycle counter?
2017-02-20T14:44:02 < corecode> yea, but not
2017-02-20T14:44:05 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-02-20T14:44:16 < Ecco> Ok let me read about this then
2017-02-20T14:44:28 < corecode> it'll be best explained in the ARM
2017-02-20T14:44:33 < Ecco> yeah, I'm on it
2017-02-20T14:44:39 < Ecco> I thought SysTick was only interrupt-based
2017-02-20T14:44:50 < corecode> no, you can enable its interrupt
2017-02-20T14:44:51 < Ecco> (as in, would call you back once every XXX)
2017-02-20T14:44:55 < corecode> but you can also not
2017-02-20T14:45:00 < Ecco> I understand, thanks
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2017-02-20T14:50:21 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/qcm0bZC.jpg
2017-02-20T15:03:18 < corecode> how well or badly does usb work if you don't use a crystal?
2017-02-20T15:06:52 < Steffanx> No its not stvn
2017-02-20T15:09:37 < Steffanx> Depends on crystal stability of course corecode.
2017-02-20T15:10:00 < Steffanx> That cat look huge stvn
2017-02-20T15:15:01 < corecode> Steffanx: i mean without crystal
2017-02-20T15:15:22 < karlp> corecode: depnds how good your usb peripheral is.
2017-02-20T15:15:35 < jpa-> nah, it depends on the internal oscillator accuracy
2017-02-20T15:15:37 < karlp> ie, if it's got a peripheral designed for trimming time to the host SOF packets, "just fine"
2017-02-20T15:15:53 < jpa-> ah true, that also
2017-02-20T15:15:55 < corecode> right, the stm32f1 doesn't
2017-02-20T15:15:58 < jpa-> corecode: on some STM32F0's, it is specified to be working; on STM32L1 it has always worked for me in room temperature
2017-02-20T15:16:09 < jpa-> (though on L1 it isn't speced to work)
2017-02-20T15:16:18 < corecode> okay
2017-02-20T15:16:29 < corecode> that's one datapoint, thanks
2017-02-20T15:17:39 < karlp> ie, f0 has a usb peripheral advertised as "works without a crystal"
2017-02-20T15:18:02 < corecode> yea, but the f1 series don't
2017-02-20T15:18:05 < karlp> no shit.
2017-02-20T15:18:09 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/710a360f6f545d4fc02c3859d7705f2e530db29974c699da2bee713c98e754e6.png
2017-02-20T15:18:11 < jpa-> low speed is also within spec on all STM32 internal RC's, but you'll need to use a bitbanging implementation for that
2017-02-20T15:18:22 < corecode> jpa-: :)
2017-02-20T15:18:27 < Steffanx> Oh i meant oscillator indeed not crystal
2017-02-20T15:18:28 < Steffanx> Oops
2017-02-20T15:18:28 < Laurenceb_> you will struggle to run without an xtal
2017-02-20T15:18:37 < karlp> Laurenceb_: wat?
2017-02-20T15:18:41 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: ?
2017-02-20T15:18:42 < Laurenceb_> unless you find one of the newer stm32 with precision oscillator
2017-02-20T15:18:48 < Laurenceb_> *run usb
2017-02-20T15:19:00 < karlp> it's not precision, it just autotrims all the time.
2017-02-20T15:19:25 < Laurenceb_> oh nice plan
2017-02-20T15:19:39 < Laurenceb_> I was wondering if that would work as a software fix for older stm
2017-02-20T15:20:01 < karlp> that's why it was a patent expiry then all of a sudden everyone had crystalless usb
2017-02-20T15:20:52 < corecode> karlp: ah?
2017-02-20T15:21:40 < Laurenceb_> crt: he's not wearing a dress
2017-02-20T15:23:12 < corecode> so you can tune the HSI by 40kHz steps
2017-02-20T15:23:30 < corecode> which is 0.5%
2017-02-20T15:24:02 < Laurenceb_> most of the guys you post are
2017-02-20T15:24:38 < corecode> are SOF packets precisely enough timed to adjust your local clock with?
2017-02-20T15:24:55 < jpa-> should be
2017-02-20T15:25:02 < karlp> do you want to try autotrimming yourself?
2017-02-20T15:25:07 < corecode> just an idea
2017-02-20T15:25:21 < corecode> crystals cost money too
2017-02-20T15:25:37 < corecode> but that's for the future
2017-02-20T15:25:57 < corecode> jpa-: i guess then you need high priority usb interrupts
2017-02-20T15:26:26 < jpa-> autotrimming after getting connected is simple enough, i think the hard part is the initial enumeration because you need to get the clock right fast enough before the host timeout
2017-02-20T15:26:31 < Laurenceb_> hmm this would be some pretty cool codez
2017-02-20T15:26:47 < Laurenceb_> F1 or L0 crystal less usb
2017-02-20T15:27:16 < karlp> l0 already has crystal less usb numbnuts
2017-02-20T15:27:18 < jpa-> doesn't L0 already have that
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2017-02-20T15:27:20 < corecode> jpa-: 10ms time or so?
2017-02-20T15:27:27 < karlp> corecode: http://blog.nxp.com/mcus/crystal-clear-benefits-of-crystal-less-usb-mcus says it's just SOF tracking.
2017-02-20T15:27:49 < karlp> jpa-: you get SOFs regardless though
2017-02-20T15:28:13 < jpa-> does host send SOFs before the pull-up is enabled?
2017-02-20T15:28:20 < karlp> nto sure, but I presume it must.
2017-02-20T15:28:23 < dongs> internal reference clock (IRC)
2017-02-20T15:28:50 < karlp> but if you turn on the pullup, you'll be getting them immediately, and you can trim pretty quick I'd imagine?
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2017-02-20T15:29:41 < BrainDamage> do you make an actual pll or do you just trim on coincidence?
2017-02-20T15:29:43 < karlp> quite a few patents on trimming crystal free oscillators, none I found explicitly mention usb but, hey, patent world.
2017-02-20T15:32:48 < corecode> karlp: i thought it would use a pll lock on the usb bits
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2017-02-20T15:34:01 < timon9> zyp: that's my code https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/KNoDJFcR-KuRfH-YCbOYi15M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= and according to the memory model in www.st.com/resource/en/application_note/dm00272912.pdf this should cover the whole code area (ch. 1.1)
2017-02-20T15:34:05 < karlp> it's a black box as far as I'm concerned, I can only read what they say about how it works.
2017-02-20T15:36:25 < karlp> Laurenceb_: here you go, your favourite arduino board: http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits/b-l072z-lrwan1.html
2017-02-20T15:36:34 < karlp> (now with even more of your favourite tech onboard)
2017-02-20T15:36:44 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2017-02-20T15:36:49 < Laurenceb_> cancer-discovery
2017-02-20T15:37:56 < Laurenceb_> maybe it could be reflashed to be non lame
2017-02-20T15:38:49 < englishman> zyp, bank transfers for me are only like $20, so the breakeven is at $500, paypal becomes very expensive very fast at higher amounts
2017-02-20T15:38:58 < englishman> but as for all those jap pp limitations, lel
2017-02-20T15:39:10 < englishman> use dongs as an intermediary i guess, since you send him so much money anyway
2017-02-20T15:39:27 < BrainDamage> dongsbanking.com
2017-02-20T15:39:45 < englishman> i would totally bank there
2017-02-20T15:39:58 < englishman> "im pretty sure you owe me $40 but i dono and i dont really care enough to follow up"
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2017-02-20T15:45:26 < karlp> perhaps, just pehraps, people entered business with dongs because he was helpful and offered a good product at a good price?
2017-02-20T15:45:41 < englishman> haha, more hate speech from leeloo i guess
2017-02-20T15:46:11 < karlp> in the meantime: work longer, earn more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSPT27XyY1U
2017-02-20T15:47:39 < englishman> i named my cat after him, and my cat is also helpful and offers a good product
2017-02-20T15:48:52 < karlp> LeelooMinai: the thing is, you never ever ever ever ever move forwards.
2017-02-20T15:49:15 < karlp> crt: how many times doe we have to see that cat? :)
2017-02-20T15:49:55 < englishman> crt: your cat or free cat
2017-02-20T15:50:13  * karlp is reading AN2867, oscillator design for stm8/stm32.
2017-02-20T15:50:20 < englishman> ooh
2017-02-20T15:50:28 < karlp> sooooo much more detail on crystals than I thought I ever needed.
2017-02-20T15:50:28 < englishman> now youll have to add that damn limiting resistor to all your designs
2017-02-20T15:50:32 < englishman> even if you put a 0R
2017-02-20T15:50:32 < englishman> yeah
2017-02-20T15:50:33 < englishman> it is
2017-02-20T15:50:34 < englishman> way more
2017-02-20T15:50:55 < karlp> I was always like, "CL/2+5pf and remove Rext for great justice" sort of thing
2017-02-20T15:51:54 < karlp> LeelooMinai: forward to a point where if we're talking about tech, attempting to keep digging up old issues isn't going anywwhere.
2017-02-20T15:52:27 < karlp> englishman: so, do you try and keep a local ground for teh load caps and things too?
2017-02-20T15:53:18 < karlp> LeelooMinai: so you said nothing for ~11hours, then your first comment in an ongoing conversation not really even involving dongs is you attempting to divide everyone?
2017-02-20T15:58:45 < karlp> englishman: do you do anything for this safety factor related to ESR aging?
2017-02-20T15:59:26 < karlp> nice seeing charts explaining why some crystals are low load cap, some are high
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2017-02-20T16:02:41 < karlp> heh, two versions of LSE oscillator in f4 series.
2017-02-20T16:02:49 < karlp> that's no thte sort of thing you normally see in the docs
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2017-02-20T16:52:23 < englishman> karlp: plane split is a good idea on any high frequency noise
2017-02-20T16:52:48 < englishman> esr aging, no not really, i dont really consider my shit to last longer than 2y, as its for drones and will likely be destroyed within months
2017-02-20T16:53:17 < englishman> theres a better name for gndplane splitting but i dont recall it
2017-02-20T16:57:08 < englishman> oo altidumb 17.0.10 is out
2017-02-20T16:57:25 < englishman> Fixed sorting in new Pick and Place file generator.
2017-02-20T16:57:25 < englishman> hmm
2017-02-20T16:58:18 < englishman> two fixes for eagle importing
2017-02-20T16:58:18 < englishman> lol
2017-02-20T17:02:47 < karlp> well, if you take their big discount for eagle licenssees, you're gonna expect eagle import to work
2017-02-20T17:03:23 < englishman> yeah that's hilarious
2017-02-20T17:03:42 < englishman> funny that it's the only real insight into altidumb pricing on their entire site
2017-02-20T17:12:19 < karlp> yeah, big promo on "say no to subscription licenses" msotly actually wants you to have a subscription.
2017-02-20T17:12:34 < sync_> yeah
2017-02-20T17:18:37 < karlp> LeelooMinai: that mcu finder is cutesy, but busted on my first attempt.
2017-02-20T17:18:45 < karlp> it doesn't beleive l1 in qfp48 exists. :(
2017-02-20T17:21:02 < karlp> that's not qfp48 though is it.
2017-02-20T17:21:18 < karlp> l1 comes in both, and there are actually differences
2017-02-20T17:21:34 < karlp> I'm telling you, it's different.
2017-02-20T17:21:39 < karlp> ie, busted on first try.
2017-02-20T17:21:56 < karlp> UFQPN is QFN. there's also a qfp package, both in 48 pin
2017-02-20T17:22:25 < karlp> looks like a nice start though,
2017-02-20T17:22:31 < karlp> even auto opens the cube install
2017-02-20T17:23:00 < karlp> so, it has qfn and qfp for f0, but not for l1? and you're trying to say I'm wrong?
2017-02-20T17:23:03 < karlp> what?
2017-02-20T17:26:09 < karlp> yes, I agree, it does seem to be a good start.
2017-02-20T17:29:20 < englishman> karlp: which l1 exactly
2017-02-20T17:29:35 < englishman> mine lists 8 lines
2017-02-20T17:30:43 < karlp> l151c6t6 isnt' in the app, the lqfp48 l1.
2017-02-20T17:30:58 < englishman> i have it
2017-02-20T17:31:15 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/qogqxPw.png
2017-02-20T17:31:35 < karlp> is that even teh same app?
2017-02-20T17:31:39 < englishman> timecube?
2017-02-20T17:31:40 < karlp> I don't have the board selector tab
2017-02-20T17:31:48 < karlp> no, we're using the new app from st.
2017-02-20T17:31:51 < karlp> cube has it, yes.
2017-02-20T17:31:56 < englishman> theres a new one?
2017-02-20T17:32:04 < englishman> pretty sure you mean *old* one
2017-02-20T17:32:16 < karlp> LeelooMinai: this is an example of you not helping now...
2017-02-20T17:32:17 < englishman> got a link
2017-02-20T17:33:33 < karlp> 14:27 < LeelooMinai> ST MCU finder for desktops, seems useful:  http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/n3911.html
2017-02-20T17:34:10 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Time_Cube
2017-02-20T17:34:42 < englishman> great it connects to facebook, just what i wanted
2017-02-20T17:34:51 < karlp> LeelooMinai: they clearly were following the conversation, but missed _one_ url early on.
2017-02-20T17:35:58 < karlp> why do you assume everyone ignores you and hates you? why is that your default position?
2017-02-20T17:37:28 < BrainDamage> the activation email doesn't work for me, I get a fantastic truncated html https://ptpb.pw/CNuG
2017-02-20T17:38:29 < englishman> https://my.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/software/sw_development_suite/group0/8c/db/ab/2c/ea/e7/45/38/st-mcu-finder-pc.zip/files/st-mcu-finder-pc.zip/_jcr_content/translations/en.st-mcu-finder-pc.zip
2017-02-20T17:38:33 < englishman> direct link brainy
2017-02-20T17:39:21 < englishman> ugh still redirects
2017-02-20T17:39:32 < BrainDamage> one that used it last 2 years ago
2017-02-20T17:39:40 < BrainDamage> ( the account )
2017-02-20T17:39:49 < englishman> this app is slow as hell too
2017-02-20T17:40:09 < englishman> well theres pricing for f722
2017-02-20T17:40:17 < englishman> but karlp
2017-02-20T17:40:23 < englishman> 's mcu is certainly missing
2017-02-20T17:41:51 < Laurenceb> it doesnt afraid of anything
2017-02-20T17:44:31 < englishman> https://twitter.com/carl_swanson_/status/833703775583993856
2017-02-20T17:44:37 < englishman> last time a reply took ~4 months
2017-02-20T17:44:45 < englishman> i told them about a bad file link
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2017-02-20T17:45:25 < karlp> super slow to load up, but seems pretty quick in operation.
2017-02-20T17:46:17 < karlp> what are those wurth test tweezers like?
2017-02-20T17:46:26 < englishman> maybe its not registering clicks or something
2017-02-20T17:46:36 < englishman> im just toggling the Cortex-M0 and Cortex-M0+ boxes
2017-02-20T17:46:44 < englishman> dono i never got them
2017-02-20T17:47:34 < karlp> LeelooMinai: I gave it that, but subsequent startup was just as slow as initial startup
2017-02-20T17:48:38 < karlp> LeelooMinai: I _have_ an SSD. I'm just reporting my perceptions.
2017-02-20T17:48:48 < karlp> my reality may not match yours I'm afraid
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2017-02-20T17:50:40 < karlp> I'mprobably 6 secs to _any_ window, then it downloads and checks everything again, easily 25seconds startup
2017-02-20T17:51:20 < karlp> but it's quick once it's started up for me at least.
2017-02-20T17:57:28 < Laurenceb> thats bull
2017-02-20T17:58:04 < sync_> suprisingly Laurenceb, it is not
2017-02-20T17:58:25 < Laurenceb> sync_: it is "effective" resolution
2017-02-20T17:58:35 < sync_> yes
2017-02-20T17:58:36 < Laurenceb> if say you want to make a nice lidar you are screwed
2017-02-20T17:58:46 < sync_> but for a smps it works just like that
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2017-02-20T18:05:31 < Laurenceb> lul Louise Mensch btfo https://imgoat.com/uploads/87ff679a2f/3445.jpg
2017-02-20T18:07:00 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-02-20T18:07:24 < Laurenceb> http://combiboilersleeds.com/images/louise-mensch/louise-mensch-0.jpg would tbh
2017-02-20T18:07:45 < Laurenceb> queen of the alt-right
2017-02-20T18:08:47 < Laurenceb> the ride never ends
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2017-02-20T18:46:09 < englishman> Laurenceb: https://gfycat.com/DeliriousYellowishHarborseal
2017-02-20T18:49:24 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/INmRNjY.gifv dongs irl
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2017-02-20T18:59:16 < aandrew> holy fuck
2017-02-20T18:59:28 < aandrew> yeah I just checked to see if my nose was still there too
2017-02-20T18:59:29 < aandrew> jesus
2017-02-20T19:00:09 < BrainDamage> I'd have loved to see the face of the ER personeel
2017-02-20T19:04:39 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/6bbb7087aadb3ae7ba1f698a818a06a8614218d6a26f2612f12d52ea70e73f7d.jpg
2017-02-20T19:05:55 < zyp> corecode, IIRC my bootloader will be around 3.4k of flash if you strip it down
2017-02-20T19:06:01 < zyp> as is, I believe it's around 6k
2017-02-20T19:06:36 < zyp> the usb debug trace log stuff consumes a surprisingly large amount of that
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2017-02-20T19:07:21 < zyp> I'm not too concerned about that, I just reserve a 8k section because that's a nice round number, and flash is huge
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2017-02-20T19:11:18 < zyp> IIRC sector 0 on f4 is 16k, so if you're targetting f4, trying to make the bootloader smaller than 16k is pointless :p
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2017-02-20T19:15:43 < emeb> heh - yeah
2017-02-20T19:15:53 < emeb> on F7 sector 0 is 32kB
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2017-02-20T19:22:15 < timon9> zyp: do you have any idea or should I contact STM directly via their forum?
2017-02-20T19:23:03 < zyp> well, I don't :)
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2017-02-20T19:23:10 < zyp> say, how were you testing this, by the way?
2017-02-20T19:23:46 < Laurenceb> https://gfycat.com/RemorsefulImmenseFallowdeer
2017-02-20T19:23:53 < timon9> zyp: accessing the memory region like printf("%x\n", *((const uint32_t *)0x08080000))
2017-02-20T19:24:07 < zyp> okay
2017-02-20T19:24:24 < zyp> then I don't know
2017-02-20T19:24:36 < timon9> zyp: have you ever used the MPU for the code region?
2017-02-20T19:27:50 < zyp> I haven't even used the MPU, just read up on it :)
2017-02-20T19:29:00 < zyp> I'm curious why you want to disallow flash reads, are you going to run untrusted code on your system?
2017-02-20T19:30:06 < zyp> or are you just trying to mitigate the risk of security holes leaking stuff like crypto keys?
2017-02-20T19:30:53 < timon9> zyp: the latter
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2017-02-20T19:32:17 < zyp> what's your application? which part of it would be trusted with access to crypto keys and which parts of it won't?
2017-02-20T19:32:50 < timon9> zyp: I think I've found the reason
2017-02-20T19:33:09 < zyp> wouldn't it make more sense to only whitelist areas untrusted code can access, rather than blacklisting the crypto keys?
2017-02-20T19:33:32 < timon9> zyp: yes, that's what I will do
2017-02-20T19:33:37 < timon9> atm I just testing the MPU
2017-02-20T19:33:48 < timon9> to be sure I know how it works
2017-02-20T19:33:53 < zyp> fair
2017-02-20T19:34:09 < timon9> zyp: the access is restricted if the target runs
2017-02-20T19:34:14 < timon9> but not in debug mode it seems
2017-02-20T19:34:32 < timon9> at least for the AXIM bus
2017-02-20T19:34:37 < zyp> ah, I suspected that could be a reason
2017-02-20T19:34:53 < timon9> the ITCM bus is restricted even in debug mode
2017-02-20T19:35:07 < zyp> the M7 TRM has a section on AXIM describing transaction flags, one of them being whether it's a normal access or a debug access
2017-02-20T19:35:29 < zyp> the TCM buses aren't that advanced :)
2017-02-20T19:35:39 < timon9> zyp: aha, thanks for the pointer - will read this section
2017-02-20T19:35:54 < timon9> zyp: thanks for your help
2017-02-20T19:35:55 < zyp> the section didn't mention anything about MPU though
2017-02-20T19:35:59 < zyp> also
2017-02-20T19:36:08 < zyp> check the DBGMCU section in the F7 RM
2017-02-20T19:36:17 < timon9> yeah, but shouldn't harm to read more about it anyway :)
2017-02-20T19:36:22 < zyp> maybe there's a flag there to select debug behavior for it
2017-02-20T19:36:40 < zyp> (there's a lot of other debug behavior flags in DBGMCU)
2017-02-20T19:36:50 < timon9> yep, thanks
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2017-02-20T20:15:07 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/43a2c61504355af8f4b2cd9c53246a65c71d9b214d7cccc84791362d8cb234ca.jpg
2017-02-20T20:17:28 < Laurenceb> looks like it
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2017-02-20T20:23:50 < Steffanx> such negativity LeelooMinai.
2017-02-20T20:27:32 < BrainDamage> spotted average stm32 denizen:  https://0x0.st/4nM.webm
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2017-02-20T20:28:37 < englishman> lies
2017-02-20T20:28:42 < englishman> i would never have carpet in my home
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2017-02-20T20:42:19 < Steffanx> Can only be dongs, BrainDamage
2017-02-20T20:42:24 < Steffanx> jappy much
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2017-02-20T20:47:55 < emeb> disturbing
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2017-02-20T20:50:22  * emeb blames it on that dark gray editor color scheme
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2017-02-20T20:51:08 < Steffanx> http://pastebin.com/vGj29HSp np
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2017-02-20T20:53:49 < Steffanx> -*- emeb blames it on that dark gray editor color scheme
2017-02-20T20:54:02 < emeb> Steffanx: some sort of image->text app?
2017-02-20T20:54:22 < Steffanx> yes
2017-02-20T20:54:25 < Steffanx> online ocr
2017-02-20T20:54:29 < emeb> aha
2017-02-20T20:54:47 < Steffanx> http://www.newocr.com/ to be precise
2017-02-20T20:55:40 < BrainDamage> fwiw https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/project-naptha/molncoemjfmpgdkbdlbjmhlcgniigdnf?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog
2017-02-20T20:56:05 < Steffanx> interesting
2017-02-20T20:56:06 < BrainDamage> it runs locally, so it might be a bit heavy on some pages
2017-02-20T20:56:19 < Steffanx> installed
2017-02-20T20:57:14 < Steffanx> i never complain my pc is slow
2017-02-20T20:58:03 < emeb> better: http://imgur.com/a/4pkTb
2017-02-20T20:58:18 < BrainDamage> you inverted colours?
2017-02-20T20:58:20 < Steffanx> hehe
2017-02-20T20:58:27 < emeb> and contrast adj
2017-02-20T20:59:42 < emeb> lol
2017-02-20T21:00:10 < BrainDamage> I miss the days when I could have 200 browser tabs
2017-02-20T21:01:00 < emeb> haha - chrome on my old macbook bogs down with > 5 tabs
2017-02-20T21:01:14 < emeb> chrome leaks like crazy & eats up all the gigabytes
2017-02-20T21:01:14 < BrainDamage> there's extensions to navigate them
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2017-02-20T21:01:20 < Steffanx> i have more issues with too many windows.
2017-02-20T21:01:40 < Steffanx> sometimes i move a tab into a seperate window and then the tabs keep growing in that new window
2017-02-20T21:02:42 < BrainDamage> glad you came to terms to it
2017-02-20T21:02:42 < emeb> there's an app for that
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2017-02-20T21:03:17 < Steffanx> I bet LeelooMinai still has a dumphone
2017-02-20T21:03:39 < BrainDamage> regular mobile phone
2017-02-20T21:03:41 < Steffanx> dumb phone.
2017-02-20T21:03:43 < emeb> dump hone?
2017-02-20T21:03:45 < Steffanx> nokia 3310
2017-02-20T21:04:00 < Steffanx> Sony ericsson T100
2017-02-20T21:04:22 < Steffanx> Siemens Swing.
2017-02-20T21:04:32 < emeb> cans + string
2017-02-20T21:04:50 < emeb> esp8266 wifi wired straight into skull
2017-02-20T21:05:11 < Steffanx> And what if you need to call your mom from the basement LeelooMinai :P
2017-02-20T21:05:19 < BrainDamage> sends gramophone cylinders trough post 
2017-02-20T21:05:31 < emeb> BrainDamage: excellent
2017-02-20T21:06:08 < emeb> ooo ooo - one of those pneumatic tube thingies
2017-02-20T21:06:14 < Steffanx> Not even a push button.
2017-02-20T21:06:22 < Steffanx> hospital style.
2017-02-20T21:06:30 < BrainDamage> you could put a voip phone
2017-02-20T21:06:51 < BrainDamage> gl setting up asterisk or some equally crazy voip concentrator tought
2017-02-20T21:07:38 < emeb> LeelooMinai: yes - shorter path if drilled thru the earth
2017-02-20T21:08:12 < emeb> shipping pandas
2017-02-20T21:08:20 < Steffanx> oh  that tool is just tesseract, nothing too special it seems BrainDamage
2017-02-20T21:08:43 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: indeed, but it's still nice to have
2017-02-20T21:08:57 < Steffanx> it fails on LeelooMinai images sadly
2017-02-20T21:09:16 < emeb> if it pays for itself then it costs nothing.
2017-02-20T21:09:23 < emeb> like the mexican wall
2017-02-20T21:09:25 < Steffanx> but it seems to work fairly well on imgur images
2017-02-20T21:09:52 < BrainDamage> I do
2017-02-20T21:09:57 < emeb> me too
2017-02-20T21:10:08 < emeb> but I am old
2017-02-20T21:10:24 < emeb> I remember when your choice was green on dark gray
2017-02-20T21:10:45 < BrainDamage> I love black on white with extremely anti aliased fonts
2017-02-20T21:11:01 < BrainDamage> if your eyes don't get cut on the fonts, they aren't sharp enough
2017-02-20T21:11:09 < Steffanx> sounds like os x :P
2017-02-20T21:11:14 < Steffanx> *macos
2017-02-20T21:12:08 < zyp> I also prefer black on white, I find it easier on the eyes
2017-02-20T21:12:18 < zyp> but for some reason I also prefer white on black in terminals
2017-02-20T21:12:25 < BrainDamage> same as zyp
2017-02-20T21:13:09 < BrainDamage> for terminals it's also a bit of pragmatic choice, many programs assume that and cba to correct them manually
2017-02-20T21:13:34 < zyp> yeah
2017-02-20T21:13:42 < englishman> white on blue with a white border
2017-02-20T21:14:17 < zyp> I hate websites with a black background, especially shit like green on white
2017-02-20T21:14:35 < zyp> LeelooMinai, try sitting in a room with proper lighting
2017-02-20T21:14:43 < Steffanx> ^^ that
2017-02-20T21:15:15 < zyp> if your room is properly lit, black on white is a lot more comfortable than white on black
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2017-02-20T21:15:57 < zyp> work?
2017-02-20T21:16:13 < englishman> haha
2017-02-20T21:16:19 < emeb> heh - arguing about work environments now.
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2017-02-20T21:17:25 < Steffanx> And it all started with someone posting code in images.. 
2017-02-20T21:18:13 < Steffanx> tyring.
2017-02-20T21:18:43 < Steffanx> lol no :P
2017-02-20T21:18:51 < Steffanx> "to furnish with tires" ;)
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2017-02-20T21:19:27 < zyp> «I don't need any other lights in my room than my monitor, because I never look elsewhere»
2017-02-20T21:19:30 < zyp> heh :)
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2017-02-20T21:23:03 < Thorn> is lm140 older or newer than lm78xx?
2017-02-20T21:25:23 < Steffanx> http://spectrum.ieee.org/the-human-os/biomedical/imaging/ai-predicts-autism-from-infant-brain-scans did it spike when tested Laurenceb?
2017-02-20T21:26:25 < Steffanx> That's not music.
2017-02-20T21:26:28 < BrainDamage> >spectrum.ieee >autism <coincidence? WAKE UP SHEEPLE
2017-02-20T21:27:22 < Steffanx> Fake news.
2017-02-20T21:28:32 < BrainDamage> until the voice it was ok
2017-02-20T21:29:39 < Steffanx> "nothing".
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2017-02-20T21:30:30 < BrainDamage> it's an instrument that doesn't appeal my musical tastes
2017-02-20T21:30:48 < BrainDamage> same way as I don't appreciate nail screeching on a blackboard
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2017-02-20T21:32:42 < Laurenceb> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/20/is_your_child_a_hacker_liverpudlian_parents_handed_cyber_checklist/
2017-02-20T21:36:11 < BrainDamage> that's a bit of a private question
2017-02-20T21:36:28 < BrainDamage> go google what you asked me :p
2017-02-20T21:36:54 < Steffanx> testes ;)
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2017-02-20T21:38:31 < BrainDamage> pretty much anything rock, heavy metal, blues, jazz, symphonic, and classical music
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2017-02-20T21:40:37 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k that is more level ##stm32
2017-02-20T21:41:12 < BrainDamage> LeelooMinai: that's fine
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2017-02-20T22:24:53 < BrainDamage> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bah75wguwh0be4q/%5Btriggered%5D%20because%20ogg.ogg?dl=0
2017-02-20T22:29:45 < Steffanx> Why are you linking, is this you playing BrainDamage?
2017-02-20T22:31:30 < Steffanx> Click, download open.. Firefox started playing
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2017-02-20T22:33:40 < BrainDamage> I don't want to use distortion at this hour or my neighbours might want to skin me
2017-02-20T22:35:28 < BrainDamage> roll an a4 sheet in a cone and pierce it with a needle
2017-02-20T22:35:49 < BrainDamage> place the needle on the disk and spin
2017-02-20T22:36:29 < Steffanx> I thought leeloo was talking about CDs lol
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2017-02-20T22:52:35 < Thorn> is there going to be the definitive guide to cortex m7?
2017-02-20T22:54:01 < emeb> as in information other than what ST and ARM publish?
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2017-02-20T22:55:19 < emeb> ah - never looked at those
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2017-02-20T22:56:50 < emeb> Given that I started using M3/M4 parts a couple years before those books were out...
2017-02-20T22:57:13 < Thorn> this one apparently has a chapter on m7 https://www.amazon.com/Designers-Cortex-M-Processor-Family-Second/dp/0081006292
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2017-02-20T23:26:09 < Steffanx> What exactly are we looking at? You?
2017-02-20T23:27:48 < Steffanx> I see you also tried to play guitar
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2017-02-20T23:33:00 < Steffanx> In the process of learning to play keyboard, quite hard when you can read the sheet music stuff
2017-02-20T23:34:36 < Steffanx> Because i dont know which note is what?
2017-02-20T23:35:09 < Steffanx> Oh cant :P
2017-02-20T23:35:16 < Steffanx> Forgot the important t
2017-02-20T23:37:06 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kz0i3ANHZY some geek porn
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2017-02-20T23:48:18 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/3__agD5IXos?t=8m24s
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2017-02-21T00:41:46 < englishman> upgrdman: how's the swim to work
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2017-02-21T00:42:29 < englishman> also what was your question last nite because I remember I had an answer but I forgot the question
2017-02-21T00:43:02 < upgrdman> englishman, no swim. so cal is fine. rain'd hard on friday but that's it
2017-02-21T00:43:30 < upgrdman> but there was a lot of rain of friday. gutters couldnt keep up (and no, they were not blocked, just not big enough)
2017-02-21T00:43:39 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, not even close
2017-02-21T00:43:43 < upgrdman> oroville is nor cal
2017-02-21T00:43:44 < upgrdman> im so cal
2017-02-21T00:43:51 < upgrdman> like 10 hours drive or so
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2017-02-21T00:44:36 < upgrdman> englishman, not sure what my q was. maybe <upgrdman> what special about psoc analog stuff? but that q was answered
2017-02-21T00:45:17 < englishman> o yea psoc
2017-02-21T00:45:22 < munki> http://www.livingcomputers.org/Discover/Online-Systems/Request-a-Login.aspx
2017-02-21T00:45:38 < munki> you can get telnet logins into a bunch of old school systems here
2017-02-21T00:45:44 < englishman> fuck cypress and especially fuck psoc
2017-02-21T00:46:46 < englishman> pretty sure that was all I wanted to say
2017-02-21T00:46:52 < englishman> the ide is pretty cool
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2017-02-21T00:48:24 < upgrdman> wut ide
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2017-02-21T00:48:51 < englishman> psoc creator
2017-02-21T00:49:39 < englishman> its all that st wants to be
2017-02-21T00:49:43 < englishman> literally free keil
2017-02-21T00:49:50 < englishman> drag n drop shit
2017-02-21T00:50:01 < englishman> too bad the mcus are fucking trash
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2017-02-21T01:24:15 < zyp> LeelooMinai, that's bullshit, M4 NVIC supports up to 240 interrupts :)
2017-02-21T01:24:30 < zyp> ref. http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0439b/DDI0439B_cortex_m4_r0p0_trm.pdf page 63
2017-02-21T01:25:17 < zyp> I bet ST just figured «we change this to the actually instanced number of IRQ lines» and then they forgot to update it when they copypasted documentation for L4
2017-02-21T01:25:56 < zyp> don't know what?
2017-02-21T01:26:06 < karlp> like you ever need to know the exact number... you use hte ones  you need.
2017-02-21T01:26:10 < zyp> stop obsessing over a documentation error, you've already proved it wrong
2017-02-21T01:26:16 < karlp> oh wait, you're hardcoding the magic into your c++ monster ;)
2017-02-21T01:26:18 < zyp> sure it is
2017-02-21T01:27:21 < karlp> just list them in order, surely c++ can count them for you?
2017-02-21T01:27:24 < zyp> well, you know which interrupts exist, and from there you know how many and how they are numbered, that's all the important information
2017-02-21T01:28:59 < zyp> oh, you're obsessing over PM0214
2017-02-21T01:29:44 < zyp> so it's not even copypasted information, it's just a common document for multiple families
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2017-02-21T01:30:11 < zyp> that explains even better how they forgot to update it once they made a chip with more lines than previous maximum
2017-02-21T01:30:33 < zyp> I still don't see how the number is imporant at all
2017-02-21T01:31:09 < zyp> you know which interrupts exist and how they are numbered, and you can assume that all bits related to existing interrupts are live, and that other bits shouldn't be touched
2017-02-21T01:31:55 < zyp> and?
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2017-02-21T01:32:37 < zyp> well, that depends on how many interrupts your particular part has, of course
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2017-02-21T01:34:25 < zyp> well, like I said, M4 TRM says 240 is max for the core, so if you use that you're safe
2017-02-21T01:35:58 < zyp> well, how can you know at this point if they'll be on the hardware or not if this is targetting multiple hardwares?
2017-02-21T01:36:44 < zyp> no matter if you put 81, 83 or 240, it's not going to be absolutely correct for all parts
2017-02-21T01:36:55 < zyp> but 240 will certainly be enough for all parts
2017-02-21T01:38:15 < zyp> yeah, sure, so just derive it from the list of interrupts for the selected chip
2017-02-21T01:38:29 < zyp> no?
2017-02-21T01:38:33 < zyp> it's simple
2017-02-21T01:38:52 < zyp> of course
2017-02-21T01:39:01 < zyp> because that's probably true
2017-02-21T01:39:08 < zyp> why would they instance unused slots?
2017-02-21T01:40:46 < englishman> ssh crt http://i.imgur.com/Z7otZu4.jpg
2017-02-21T01:40:50 < zyp> that's a waste of gates
2017-02-21T01:41:33 < zyp> why are you abusing random interrupt slots?
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2017-02-21T01:42:04 < zyp> true
2017-02-21T01:42:25 < zyp> just like because a chip is only supposed to have 64k of flash, it might actually have 128k
2017-02-21T01:43:24 < zyp> sure, but what is the point? you already have svcall and pendsv for rtos use, which are documented to exist
2017-02-21T01:43:31 < zyp> why go using random vectors instead?
2017-02-21T01:44:31 < zyp> uh, to do what?
2017-02-21T01:45:15 < zyp> are you running threads under handler context?
2017-02-21T01:45:33 < zyp> because that sounds retarded as fuck
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2017-02-21T01:48:49 < zyp> I've never claimed otherwise
2017-02-21T01:50:37 < zyp> eh, I'm not that simple minded
2017-02-21T01:51:53 < zyp> what, are you jealous because he doesn't hate me?
2017-02-21T01:53:18 < zyp> and?
2017-02-21T01:53:47 < zyp> in what sense?
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2017-02-21T01:56:02 < zyp> how so?
2017-02-21T01:56:35 < aandrew> lol dongs mafia
2017-02-21T01:57:42 < aandrew> hardware irqs for preemption?
2017-02-21T01:57:49 < aandrew> so a task runs until an interrupt occurs?
2017-02-21T01:58:42 < aandrew> dongs and I exchange tips and such, same as anyone else here
2017-02-21T01:59:32 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: sounds like a cooperative multitasking arrangement with irq support?
2017-02-21T02:00:14 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yeah, I'm paying dongs to assemble pcbs for me, I don't see why that's a problem
2017-02-21T02:00:29 < zyp> it doesn't imply that I agree with everything he says
2017-02-21T02:01:48 < zyp> your point being?
2017-02-21T02:02:22 < zyp> please elaborate
2017-02-21T02:03:33 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-02-21T02:03:51 < zyp> nah, I were just as judgemental when Laurenceb did something similar and equally stupid a few years ago
2017-02-21T02:06:43 < zyp> and I don't really care about any of that shit, I find it a waste of time
2017-02-21T02:07:25 < zyp> I'm not on irc to find people to fuck, and I don't give a shit about what genitals somebody I'm not looking to fuck got
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2017-02-21T02:12:43 < zyp> LeelooMinai, have it ever occured to you that the less time you spend giving people shit, the less shit people will give you too?
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2017-02-21T02:13:36 < zyp> yes, that's what's causing the feedback loop
2017-02-21T02:14:15 < zyp> and I mean, if you enjoy being stuck in unproductive discussions about how people hate you, then sure
2017-02-21T02:16:40 < zyp> so what are you hoping to achieve?
2017-02-21T02:18:13 < zyp> so what are you hoping to achieve?
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2017-02-21T02:23:06 < zyp> from my perspective, your «interventions» or whatever you would call it are not helping bring down the bullshit level on the channel, it's just adding to it
2017-02-21T02:23:26 < zyp> you're just feeding the trolls
2017-02-21T02:23:39 < zyp> and getting yourself ignored in the process
2017-02-21T02:24:33 < zyp> how about neither?
2017-02-21T02:27:18 < zyp> and?
2017-02-21T02:27:53 < zyp> isn't going against that exactly what gets you labelled as a sjw?
2017-02-21T02:28:28 < zyp> oh, I'm inclined to agree that it's a problem
2017-02-21T02:28:56 < zyp> it's just that I don't see the problem going away
2017-02-21T02:29:24 < zyp> and I don't see a point in spending time on problems that aren't getting fixed
2017-02-21T02:29:57 < zyp> LeelooMinai, sure, but if they won't go away by speaking up either, I prefer silence so we can focus on interesting stuff instead
2017-02-21T02:30:39 < zyp> idk, I use macs, I've been called all sorts of stuff
2017-02-21T02:30:57 < zyp> I don't give a fuck, os x is the only usable os :p
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2017-02-21T02:34:33 < zyp> stop giving people a reason to hate you and people hating you will stop being a problem
2017-02-21T02:40:26 < zyp> LeelooMinai, so what do you propose? that we throw out dongs and r2com and bring in hackkitten?
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2017-02-21T02:44:36 < zyp> to be fair, I wouldn't mind replacing r2com, he's less interesting than you IMO
2017-02-21T02:45:23 < zyp> crt, idk, I don't keep a list of potential replacements
2017-02-21T02:46:22 < emeb> why replace anyone? just /ignore
2017-02-21T02:47:22 < zyp> I don't /ignore, uninteresting discussions are easier to tune out than half-discussions
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2017-02-21T02:48:04 < zyp> I'd spend too much time guessing what the subject is if I only got half of an uninteresting discussion
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2017-02-21T02:48:15 < emeb> haha
2017-02-21T02:49:08 < emeb> jeeze I hate the differences between F0 and F4 I2C
2017-02-21T02:49:15 < zyp> and most people have something interesting to say once in a while
2017-02-21T02:49:21 < emeb> makes it a pain to port apps from 0 -> 4
2017-02-21T02:49:53 < zyp> LeelooMinai, it's also interesting how you, dongs and ohsix all hate each other
2017-02-21T02:50:04 < zyp> emeb, F4? isn't it basically identical?
2017-02-21T02:50:23 < emeb> zyp: StdPeriph access is very different
2017-02-21T02:50:43 < emeb> F0 sets up with the transferhandling() call
2017-02-21T02:50:45 < zyp> that sounds weird, because my i2c code works on both F1 and F4
2017-02-21T02:50:48 < zyp> oh
2017-02-21T02:50:49 < zyp> 0
2017-02-21T02:50:49 < emeb> while F4 doesn't have that
2017-02-21T02:50:55 < zyp> F0 is the v2 periph, yeah
2017-02-21T02:50:57 < zyp> I read F1
2017-02-21T02:50:58 < zyp> sorry
2017-02-21T02:51:01 < emeb> :)
2017-02-21T02:51:22 < zyp> and yeah
2017-02-21T02:51:35 < zyp> what use is an abstraction layer that can't hide those differences?
2017-02-21T02:51:58 < emeb> zyp: StdPeriph hardly qualifies as an abstraction layer, eh?
2017-02-21T02:52:13 < emeb> so many things it doesn't do...
2017-02-21T02:52:26 < zyp> well, it certainly does half the job, hiding the hardware behind a whole new API that renames everything
2017-02-21T02:52:36 < emeb> HAL is much better that StdPeriph in that regard.
2017-02-21T02:53:31 < emeb> all the power of assy, combined with the ease of use of assy? :)
2017-02-21T02:54:17 < aandrew> LeelooMinai brings up a lot of very good points
2017-02-21T02:54:38 < aandrew> I mean let's face it, #stm32 isn't a particularly friendly or welcoming place
2017-02-21T02:54:49 < aandrew> I'm not advocating that it should or shouldn't be, either
2017-02-21T02:55:10 < aandrew> I've been on IRC long enough to see the good and the bad, and this chan has a weird mix 
2017-02-21T02:55:38 < aandrew> nobody is trying ot make this chan "the place" for stm32 dev, and I think that's something that needs to be kept in mind
2017-02-21T02:56:44 < zyp> aandrew, I agree
2017-02-21T02:57:01 < aandrew> I remember (kind of) hackkitten. I don't think that her being here or not matters, although I do think that there really is no place or need for the kind of shit that goes on here as well
2017-02-21T02:57:23 < aandrew> the fact that it is here is more a reflection on those who choose to stay here rather than form ##realstm32 or whatever
2017-02-21T02:57:54 < aandrew> there's a reason that this chan is here... 
2017-02-21T02:59:11 < zyp> was it?
2017-02-21T02:59:53 < zyp> I think I've been here for about as long as it's existed, and I don't think much have changed
2017-02-21T03:00:01 < aandrew> I haven't been here that long
2017-02-21T03:00:20 < aandrew> TBH I hang out here becuase the others that are here know shit or contribute in other ways
2017-02-21T03:00:32 < aandrew> same reason I hang out in the other 20-some-odd channels I stick around in
2017-02-21T03:01:01 < aandrew> I get something from this chan, and I can navigate the hatred/ignore the other shit
2017-02-21T03:01:46 < aandrew> doesn't mean I condone it. online forums in general require a thick skin. I grew up in the BBS days, you learned to deal with it or just go elsewhere
2017-02-21T03:02:10 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: true. I don't remember what all happened with hackkitten. I see that you seem to get a LOT of the shit and I hoenstly don't know why
2017-02-21T03:02:28 < aandrew> you have an incredibly thick skin, but there must be a reason you hang out here too
2017-02-21T03:03:38 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: why not?
2017-02-21T03:04:02 < aandrew> I'm not advocating you leave at all, but there are other forums for stm32 dev... why stick here?
2017-02-21T03:04:08 < aandrew> I bet it's for the same reasons I stick around
2017-02-21T03:04:27 < Laurenceb_> damn I missed a PhD opportunity
2017-02-21T03:04:35 < Laurenceb_> Dr Angela Gregory, psychosexual therapist at Nottingham University Hospital, said: “Men are becoming both physically and psychologically desensitised to normal sexual stimulation and arousal with a sexual partner.”
2017-02-21T03:04:54 < Laurenceb_> easy access to endless streaming porn is leaving healthy young men with the sexual problem.
2017-02-21T03:05:15 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: #electronics, #sparkfun, hell even places lke #hackvana
2017-02-21T03:05:24 < zyp> so, uh
2017-02-21T03:05:29 < Laurenceb_> lul thats why broadband exists
2017-02-21T03:05:34 < zyp> I grepped my log for hackkitten
2017-02-21T03:05:50 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/SQo2d
2017-02-21T03:05:54 < aandrew> I think in general the internet has amplified human experience. Both the good and the bad got made much "louder" than before
2017-02-21T03:06:16 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: sure, but why do you need the focus? I find I get *far* more interesting and deep electronics conversation in #hackvana than i ever saw in #electronics
2017-02-21T03:06:54 < aandrew> I stick around here specifically becuase there are others here that aren't in other chans who I can learn from
2017-02-21T03:07:05 < aandrew> pretty much same reason I hang out in all the other chans
2017-02-21T03:07:17 < zyp> this is the entirety of conversation by hackkitten, in my log dating back to jan 2012
2017-02-21T03:07:29 < aandrew> I don't find the nigger jokes nor the trans comments nor even the endless cat pics enteratining
2017-02-21T03:08:10 < zyp> so hackkitten was never really a contributing member to this channel
2017-02-21T03:08:15 < aandrew> in order to get what I want out of this chan, I choose to endure that shit. If at any point I feel I don't get good "value" for my time, I would leave
2017-02-21T03:08:40 < zyp> it's grepped, I said
2017-02-21T03:09:18 < zyp> LeelooMinai, besides my point
2017-02-21T03:09:46 < aandrew> another chan has a good saying which really resonates with me: nigger is a state of mind. it's not about black or white, just dumb as shit
2017-02-21T03:10:34 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: you will like this 
2017-02-21T03:11:03 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: I was walking back from work and saw a nigger with a TV, I thought it might be mine as they all look the same to me
2017-02-21T03:11:15 < Laurenceb_> but got home and mine was in its cage, so all ok
2017-02-21T03:11:24 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: saw that coming a mile away
2017-02-21T03:11:30 < zyp> that joke is old as fuck
2017-02-21T03:14:11 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'm just saying I don't see the loss
2017-02-21T03:15:06 < Peter_M> see, all the chats in ##stm32 for the past say.. hour are why i have LeelooMinai on ignore, i dont care about any of this shit, 100% not relevant, atleast o6 has some resembelnce of electronics related autism, same wiht dingle
2017-02-21T03:16:10 < Laurenceb_> electronics related autism
2017-02-21T03:16:21 < Laurenceb_> holy shit set this as the channel topic already
2017-02-21T03:16:56 < zyp> Peter_M, I'm sorry for that, I were bored and there were nothing interesting going on
2017-02-21T03:17:41 < Peter_M> all good, your snr is rpetty decent
2017-02-21T03:21:20 < munki> hm
2017-02-21T03:21:44 < munki> how do iget TIM1 to output a pwm with 4.2V peak and GND low
2017-02-21T03:22:20 < Peter_M> munki nfet, pullup to 4v2
2017-02-21T03:22:38 < Peter_M> it'll be inverted
2017-02-21T03:22:46 < Peter_M> but should get what you ned
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2017-02-21T03:23:22 < zyp> LeelooMinai, a lot of medicines are used to treat the symptoms rather than the disease
2017-02-21T03:24:39 < munki> i have only a shitty box of smiconductors.... http://i.imgur.com/d2WF9qa.jpg
2017-02-21T03:25:05 < munki> i wonder if i could use that switching mosfet
2017-02-21T03:27:12 < Peter_M> i can never remember which i/o on whiich stm32 are 5vt, but you could probably jsut open drain, the i/o and pullup to 4.2 if the pin is 5vt
2017-02-21T03:29:24 < munki> Peter_M: pc6 appears to be which is what i'm using
2017-02-21T03:30:01 < aandrew> it's been a while since I've used the PTH components
2017-02-21T03:30:44 < munki> yeah, the pwm is giving me 3.3V right now
2017-02-21T03:30:53 < munki> ~3.36V
2017-02-21T03:31:28 < aandrew> I typically stick with BSS84/138 for jellybean mosfets but have really grown to love the NTZD3155C
2017-02-21T03:31:41 < aandrew> it's one P and one N in a SC70
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2017-02-21T03:33:25 < aandrew> I use the latter a lot for LED drivers (not really necessary for this specific instance, but for 1.8V it's handy): http://imgur.com/a/k8T4d
2017-02-21T03:34:06 < munki> i guess i've never fucked with transistors directly. I put thePWM output on gate, then +5V on pin 1 (D) and output on pin 3(S)?
2017-02-21T03:34:44 < aandrew> munki: that'll work for basic PWM with small mosfets
2017-02-21T03:35:06 < munki> interesting, now i'm getting an even lower voltage than before
2017-02-21T03:35:13 < aandrew> bigger fets will have more gate capacitance and might require more "oomph" to drive
2017-02-21T03:35:27 < Peter_M> bss84 and bss138 are nice, and for higher power (but nto extreme) i use ao3400 and ao3401 (buy em by the reel freom .cn for $0.015 ea)
2017-02-21T03:35:38 < aandrew> haven't used those before, nice
2017-02-21T03:35:58 < Peter_M> they're good for 1-2a
2017-02-21T03:36:09 < aandrew> it still blows my mind that an SOT23 is perfectly happy with 2A
2017-02-21T03:36:12 < aandrew> (continuous)
2017-02-21T03:37:01 < Peter_M> you think that blows your mind? i used some IRL7486MTRPBF for saomme projects before thats insane
2017-02-21T03:37:34 < munki> now i'm getting 2.6V instead of 3.3V
2017-02-21T03:37:46 < munki> maybe not enough current
2017-02-21T03:37:47 < munki> ?
2017-02-21T03:38:28 < aandrew> I was using DMG2305 for higher current
2017-02-21T03:38:58 < zyp> Peter_M, haha, wow
2017-02-21T03:39:36 < munki> yeah 3.15mhz
2017-02-21T03:39:40 < aandrew> that's high
2017-02-21T03:39:46 < aandrew> slow it way down and see if it's happier
2017-02-21T03:40:19 < aandrew> your gate capacitance and I/O pin output current might not work at that high a PWM frequency
2017-02-21T03:40:44 < Peter_M> what are yo udoing with that 3.15mhz pwm?
2017-02-21T03:40:50 < Peter_M> like whats the end goal
2017-02-21T03:40:58 < munki> driving clock for YM2151
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2017-02-21T03:42:32 < aandrew> PWM for the clock? interesting
2017-02-21T03:42:50 < aandrew> I figure you'd want VCO or programmbale PLL for that
2017-02-21T03:43:27 < Peter_M> yeah, but still should be doable
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2017-02-21T03:43:51 < munki> seemed like the easiest solution at the time
2017-02-21T03:43:51 < Peter_M> yeah, bss138 should be sufficient for that, you will probably need to turn on the 25 or 50mhz io if oyu want sharp edges, the slow i/o aint gonna cut it
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2017-02-21T03:44:28 < Peter_M> you probably want around 100ohm pullup to your 4v2 too
2017-02-21T03:45:34 < aandrew> BSS138 is 2.4nC gate capacitance
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2017-02-21T03:46:02 < upgrdman> so 78xx was the go to LDO for a while. then 1117. anything better than the 1117 in ~every way these days?
2017-02-21T03:46:05 < Peter_M> ya
2017-02-21T03:47:13 < upgrdman> crt, ?
2017-02-21T03:48:05 < Peter_M> looking at the ym2151 ds, you need 20v for clock "
2017-02-21T03:48:07 < Peter_M> 1"
2017-02-21T03:48:08 < Peter_M> ?
2017-02-21T03:48:19 < zyp> Peter_M, hmm, cute part, that FET
2017-02-21T03:48:19 < aandrew> t=Q/I = 2.4n/20m = 120ns if my math is right
2017-02-21T03:48:40 < zyp> even the thermal dissipation numbers looks fairly good
2017-02-21T03:48:50 < munki> Peter_M: i think it's a typo or something. it says Vdd for maximum for 1 on clock
2017-02-21T03:48:54 < munki> vdd = 5v
2017-02-21T03:48:57 < Peter_M> yea
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2017-02-21T03:49:44 < munki> but theh looking at actual clock phase data on page 7 it says it needs 4.2v min
2017-02-21T03:50:53 < munki> honestly though i am kind of lost with this FET.
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2017-02-21T03:51:23 < Peter_M> 4.2v is the max threshold for "1"
2017-02-21T03:51:35 < munki> max or min?
2017-02-21T03:51:41 < Peter_M> max
2017-02-21T03:51:54 < Peter_M> max threshold, min threeshold is 2
2017-02-21T03:52:14 < Laurenceb_> holy shit Warwick Adams watch has been completely scrubbed from google
2017-02-21T03:52:14 < munki> ah yes
2017-02-21T03:52:31 < munki> but for the clock i think it's different?
2017-02-21T03:52:51 < Laurenceb_> in fact everything related to Warwick Adams
2017-02-21T03:53:01 < Peter_M> zyp the package is essentialyl sodler the die to the pcb and hte substrate is a peice of stampoed copper bonded to the back of hte die that also sodlers to hte pcb so thermals are pretty decent
2017-02-21T03:54:00 < Laurenceb_> crt: why indeed
2017-02-21T03:54:06 < Laurenceb_> to boost Musks ego I suspect
2017-02-21T03:55:18 < munki> Peter_M: my gate is at 0-3.2V 48kHZ right now, i have drain at +5V, and the S pin gives me same frequency but between 1-2V
2017-02-21T03:57:03 < Peter_M> uhh youre doign it wrong
2017-02-21T03:57:12 < Peter_M> nfet, source tied to ground
2017-02-21T03:57:27 < Peter_M> drain with 100ohm resistor to 4v2
2017-02-21T03:57:38 < Peter_M> gate tyo stm32 pin
2017-02-21T03:57:57 < Peter_M> the output is the node between the resitor and drain
2017-02-21T04:01:36 < aandrew> what's warwick adams?
2017-02-21T04:02:24 < munki> thanks guys
2017-02-21T04:02:25 < munki> looks good
2017-02-21T04:02:56 < munki> i am learning that i need to label my resistors much better
2017-02-21T04:03:04 < munki> looking for them by color bands is horrible
2017-02-21T04:03:28 < aandrew> munki: it becomes second nature
2017-02-21T04:03:48 < munki> not when they're in a big pile lol
2017-02-21T04:03:55 < munki> grouped with some shitty paper
2017-02-21T04:03:58 < munki> at the ends
2017-02-21T04:04:06 < aandrew> I can't tell you off the top of my head what a 4k7 resistor is by colour (actually I can, yellow purple red) but I see it like I see looking for a particular book by the way the cover looks
2017-02-21T04:04:38 < munki> so i'm getting some ripple at the peak after the clock goes up
2017-02-21T04:04:44 < munki> but i think it's fine
2017-02-21T04:06:08 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: good god
2017-02-21T04:06:22 < aandrew> tell me that was 20 years ago when you were just getting started
2017-02-21T04:08:21 < munki> one of those 100 drawers things
2017-02-21T04:08:22 < aandrew> yeah it's definitely autism
2017-02-21T04:08:30 < aandrew> I didn't set out to do that it just comes with doing it for forever
2017-02-21T04:08:36 < munki> i have one ready to go but i've never filled it up
2017-02-21T04:08:53 < aandrew> I've been meaning to put my SMT resistors in film negative binders
2017-02-21T04:09:28 < aandrew> just haven't got around to it in the ... 3 years I've had the binder sleeves
2017-02-21T04:09:43 < dongs> dongul8
2017-02-21T04:09:57 < Peter_M> aandrew i always get 10k and 1k mixed up  because red and orange so close!
2017-02-21T04:10:04 < aandrew> heh
2017-02-21T04:10:05 < dongs> Peter_M: did you hear about my dickstarter pal adventure with zero crossing optotriac
2017-02-21T04:10:23 < Peter_M> i may have missed it
2017-02-21T04:10:32 < munki> interesting, i'm getting 5.8V peak with this circuit
2017-02-21T04:10:39 < munki> even though the +V is 4.7
2017-02-21T04:10:52 < dongs> Peter_M: calls me up, "omg, after i swapped to these zc parts, the triac temperature went down to 50C". i was like, uh, what was it before? "oh like 100C". 
2017-02-21T04:10:57 < dongs> this is for a 24/7 running part
2017-02-21T04:11:21 < dongs> CUNT
2017-02-21T04:12:03 < munki> the effect goes down at lower frequencies
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2017-02-21T04:13:20 < Peter_M> munki lead inductance will doi that
2017-02-21T04:13:27 < Peter_M> dongs LOL
2017-02-21T04:14:10 < munki> http://i.imgur.com/BvtrNhM.jpg
2017-02-21T04:15:00 < dongs> https://youtu.be/NRMpNA86e8Q?t=174 fake but lol
2017-02-21T04:15:01 < munki> Peter_M: so you think it's just the scope?
2017-02-21T04:15:07 < aandrew> munki: if you use the shortest possible ground lead (the srpingy one is best) you might ifnd that ringing isn't real
2017-02-21T04:17:44 < dongs> hmm my rtc is doing OK
2017-02-21T04:17:50 < dongs> ~12 hours later and the time is still correct
2017-02-21T04:18:02 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-21T04:18:13 < aandrew> ice
2017-02-21T04:18:14 < aandrew> nice
2017-02-21T04:18:30 < aandrew> I've got a supercap feeding the VBATT pin on an stm32 and it keeps the clock going for a long time
2017-02-21T04:19:13 < munki> LeelooMinai: i have only this somewhat gay set
2017-02-21T04:19:43 < dongs> mmm, somewhat gay sets
2017-02-21T04:19:49 < munki> tektronix p2200
2017-02-21T04:19:54 < dongs> that could be something matching leelooman interests
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2017-02-21T04:20:57 < munki> when i put the probe in 1x mode i get a sharkfin type waveform
2017-02-21T04:21:11 < dongs> sparkfun type uniform
2017-02-21T04:21:20 < Peter_M> 1x has too much capacitance, 10x
2017-02-21T04:21:23 < Peter_M> is much better
2017-02-21T04:21:41 < munki> ya exact so i put it in 10x and get all that ringing
2017-02-21T04:22:03 < dongs> is there a pic
2017-02-21T04:22:20 < munki> http://i.imgur.com/BvtrNhM.jpg
2017-02-21T04:22:27 < dongs> yeah just saw that
2017-02-21T04:22:36 < dongs> whats teh scope bandwidth and wahts the channel bandwidth set to
2017-02-21T04:22:43 < dongs> set channel bw to liek 10mhz 
2017-02-21T04:23:00 < munki> scope is set to bw limit to 20mhz
2017-02-21T04:23:18 < munki> not sure how to go lower
2017-02-21T04:23:22 < dongs> is this from stm gpio? 
2017-02-21T04:23:25 < munki> yes
2017-02-21T04:23:35 < dongs> whats hte output speed set to
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2017-02-21T04:23:54 < dongs> during gpio init
2017-02-21T04:24:18 < munki> GPIO_SPEED_FRREQ_HIGH
2017-02-21T04:24:24 < dongs> the hell is that
2017-02-21T04:24:24 < dongs> HAL?
2017-02-21T04:24:29 < munki> ya
2017-02-21T04:24:33 < dongs> wghat are the options
2017-02-21T04:24:36 < dongs> set it to _LOW
2017-02-21T04:24:53 < munki> #define  GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_LOW         ((uint32_t)0x00000000U)  /*!< IO works at 2 MHz, please refer to the product datasheet */
2017-02-21T04:24:53 < munki> #define  GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_MEDIUM      ((uint32_t)0x00000001U)  /*!< range 12,5 MHz to 50 MHz, please refer to the product datasheet */
2017-02-21T04:24:53 < munki> #define  GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_HIGH        ((uint32_t)0x00000002U)  /*!< range 25 MHz to 100 MHz, please refer to the product datasheet  */
2017-02-21T04:24:54 < munki> #define  GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_VERY_HIGH   ((uint32_t)0x00000003U)  /*!< range 50 MHz to 200 MHz, please refer to the product datasheet  */#define  GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_LOW         ((uint32_t)0x00000000U)  /*!< IO works at 2 MHz, please refer to the product datasheet */
2017-02-21T04:24:54 < munki> #define  GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_MEDIUM      ((uint32_t)0x00000001U)  /*!< range 12,5 MHz to 50 MHz, please refer to the product datasheet */
2017-02-21T04:24:54 < munki> #define  GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_HIGH        ((uint32_t)0x00000002U)  /*!< range 25 MHz to 100 MHz, please refer to the product datasheet  */
2017-02-21T04:25:06 < dongs> GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_LOW <  this
2017-02-21T04:25:06 < munki> lag
2017-02-21T04:25:15 < aandrew> dongs: he's got a really fast PWM, low current will probably end up slowing down his PWM
2017-02-21T04:25:24 < dongs> 3mhz is fast?
2017-02-21T04:26:44 < aandrew> when you're driving a 2n2007 maybe yes
2017-02-21T04:26:54 < fenugrec> milliherz ?
2017-02-21T04:27:10 < dongs> there are other issues when driving 2n2007 at that speed that arent related to gpio strength
2017-02-21T04:32:56 < dongs> https://www.npmjs.com/package/avrgirl-arduino
2017-02-21T04:33:42 < dongs> oic its probably a joke on avrdude
2017-02-21T04:33:51 < dongs> (doesnt make it any less gay)
2017-02-21T04:34:05 < aandrew> wow I did not think that was a real thing
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2017-02-21T04:34:51 < dongs> if you can think of a gayest thing ever that nobody would ever write
2017-02-21T04:34:56 < dongs> chances are, its been implemented in node.js
2017-02-21T04:37:59 < dongs> I have a bad feeling
2017-02-21T04:38:03 < dongs> that noopkat is a m2f
2017-02-21T04:38:08 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/121613615
2017-02-21T04:38:18 < dongs> last video from 5min+
2017-02-21T04:39:01 < Peter_M> 3mhz square wave needs pretty decent edges dongs
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2017-02-21T04:44:35 < branjb> dongs
2017-02-21T04:44:37 < branjb> that is so true
2017-02-21T04:45:38 < dongs> last year there was drama about some module getting deleted and wrecking like hundreds of thousands of sites
2017-02-21T04:45:44 < branjb> it makes perfect since that avrgirl is a node.js package
2017-02-21T04:45:49 < dongs> .. teh shit just trimmed whitespace from string or something
2017-02-21T04:45:49 < branjb> lol
2017-02-21T04:46:42 < aandrew> oh I remember that, what module was that
2017-02-21T04:46:43 < ReadError> dongs: you can tell by the eyebrows
2017-02-21T04:46:45 < ReadError> always
2017-02-21T04:46:59 < dongs> not an expert, do tell
2017-02-21T04:46:59 < ReadError> most the time
2017-02-21T04:47:46 < munki> http://i.imgur.com/deaLuJi.jpg
2017-02-21T04:47:55 < munki> thats with 51ohm on gate
2017-02-21T04:47:59 < ReadError> idk you can just tell
2017-02-21T04:48:00 < branjb> nice square wave
2017-02-21T04:48:04 < dongs> see
2017-02-21T04:48:06 < ReadError> men have straighter ones
2017-02-21T04:51:09 < munki> LeelooMinai: still pk-pk is too high maybe
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2017-02-21T04:52:37 < munki> hm
2017-02-21T04:53:00 < munki> it says max voltage is Vdd on the datasheet
2017-02-21T04:53:19 < munki> but the stm32 "5v" pin only gives me like 4.7v
2017-02-21T04:53:30 < munki> on the discovery board
2017-02-21T04:53:45 < dongs> thats your garbage USB cable
2017-02-21T04:53:47 < dongs> dropping it
2017-02-21T04:53:51 < dongs> use something less shit
2017-02-21T04:53:57 < munki> lolol
2017-02-21T04:54:47 < munki> just tried another one same thing
2017-02-21T04:55:15 < munki> yep
2017-02-21T04:55:20 < munki> D1
2017-02-21T04:55:31 < munki> f4
2017-02-21T04:55:48 < dongs> discuntvery
2017-02-21T04:55:55 < munki> close enough though it seems
2017-02-21T04:56:08 < munki> just hope that the clock exceeding 5v is ok
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2017-02-21T04:57:06 < munki> the rise and fall time look to be in spec
2017-02-21T04:57:15 < munki> maybe i should just use fn generator for this x_x
2017-02-21T04:58:31 < branjb> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1487644549806.webm
2017-02-21T04:58:35 < branjb> CA is fucked
2017-02-21T04:59:08 < dongs> i hope it happens
2017-02-21T04:59:13 < branjb> sim
2017-02-21T04:59:18 < branjb> if the spillway fails 
2017-02-21T04:59:33 < munki> lol
2017-02-21T04:59:36 < munki> got n e drought?
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2017-02-21T04:59:39 < dongs> we can finally balem trump on something
2017-02-21T04:59:42 < branjb> lol
2017-02-21T04:59:54 < branjb> it's from the department of water service or w/e
2017-02-21T05:00:12 < branjb> the same people who were in charge of the dam
2017-02-21T05:01:08 < branjb> nope
2017-02-21T05:01:11 < branjb> >muh drought
2017-02-21T05:01:31 < branjb> i guess all the making fun of civil engineers paid off
2017-02-21T05:01:36 < branjb> they really do fuck everything in life up
2017-02-21T05:02:58 < branjb> how long was bush in office before katrina happened?
2017-02-21T05:03:30 < branjb> russians hacked the dam imo
2017-02-21T05:03:46 < branjb> or the rain clouds
2017-02-21T05:03:48 < branjb> not sure which
2017-02-21T05:04:47 < branjb> what about making a wall/dam combo that funnels the water to mexico?
2017-02-21T05:04:53 < branjb> CO river doesn't even make it to the gulf anymore
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2017-02-21T05:06:32 < branjb> local news was saying it would be the biggest disaster in the US in terms of money and lives lost
2017-02-21T05:06:54 < branjb> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1487645352193.jpg Engineers: yup we're fucked
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2017-02-21T05:50:34 < upgrdman> so what up with oroville. are they wiped from the surface of the earth yet?
2017-02-21T05:51:06 < upgrdman> ohsix, you around/
2017-02-21T05:53:31 < dongs> amp!six furiosuly googling
2017-02-21T05:53:33 < dongs> about oroville
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2017-02-21T05:54:12 < upgrdman> wuts amp! mean
2017-02-21T05:54:55 < dongs> google AMP
2017-02-21T05:55:09 < dongs> https://www.ampproject.org/learn/who/
2017-02-21T05:58:16 < englishman> thats fucking awesome branjb 
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2017-02-21T06:02:05 < upgrdman> so i upload a youtube vid on how to do some ghetto home automation with an arduino (ir receiver and transmitter) ... now im running out of ideas for more retarduino videos to do
2017-02-21T06:02:29 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-21T06:02:29 < englishman> blink led
2017-02-21T06:02:40 < englishman> pid coffeemaker
2017-02-21T06:02:45 < dongs> connect retarduino to rageberrypi for reasons
2017-02-21T06:03:04 < englishman> illuminated water cooler with arduino
2017-02-21T06:03:26 < englishman> arduino whoopee cushion
2017-02-21T06:03:43 < upgrdman> whoopee cushion... theres an idea
2017-02-21T06:04:07 < englishman> global warming contributor
2017-02-21T06:04:17 < upgrdman> oh ya i should dig out my esp12e's and doing some wifi trash with em
2017-02-21T06:04:42 < upgrdman> "arudino spy camera" for teh clicks
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2017-02-21T06:10:06 < dongs> rageberry pi ULTIMATE KITS
2017-02-21T06:11:11 < englishman> make your own arduino with pth atmega8 and breadboard
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2017-02-21T06:20:00 < dongs> beg jones piss
2017-02-21T06:20:18 < englishman> whats innovating today
2017-02-21T06:21:24 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/AlarmingFondHornshark lmaoooo
2017-02-21T06:23:44 < englishman> dongs careful with your katana https://gfycat.com/DeliriousYellowishHarborseal
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2017-02-21T06:24:32 < dongs> is that his nose
2017-02-21T06:24:33 < dongs> lmaoo
2017-02-21T06:25:00 < dongs> fuckin weebs
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2017-02-21T06:41:28 < dongs> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/17/suspect-north-korea-killing-thought-she-was-taking-part-in-tv-prank-indonesia-siti-aisyah-police-kim-jong-nam haha
2017-02-21T06:43:52 < dongs> Lol
2017-02-21T06:43:54 < dongs> trying to buy tickets to china
2017-02-21T06:44:01 < dongs> my passport expires liek 202x sometime
2017-02-21T06:44:10 < dongs> china air keeps throwing error on expire date
2017-02-21T06:44:12 < dongs> i was like wat
2017-02-21T06:44:24 < dongs> kept reducing until it worked, 2019
2017-02-21T06:48:28 < ReadError> sun is not doing, allah is doing
2017-02-21T06:49:51 < englishman> https://archive.org/details/thebroken_xvid
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2017-02-21T06:53:43 < dongs> pritel99 eh
2017-02-21T06:53:45 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-21T06:53:46 < dongs> mabye.
2017-02-21T06:53:51 < dongs> msg me infoz
2017-02-21T06:57:45 < dongs> haha
2017-02-21T06:57:48 < dongs> altidumb needs to reboot
2017-02-21T06:57:52 < dongs> in order to import pr otell99 shit
2017-02-21T07:00:17 < dongs> well, that ended well
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2017-02-21T07:00:19 < dongs> invalid filename: %s
2017-02-21T07:00:39 < dongs> yeah fixing filenames
2017-02-21T07:02:43 < dongs> ok got 2 of them
2017-02-21T07:02:49 < dongs> the smallest file is corrupted or somethign
2017-02-21T07:03:07 < dongs> the 6kw/10kw things imported
2017-02-21T07:03:32 < dongs> fuckign chink garbage everywehre
2017-02-21T07:03:39 < dongs> i might have to ask my tw pal to pdf that stuff
2017-02-21T07:03:43 < dongs> one sec
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2017-02-21T07:09:31 < dongs> k hes on it
2017-02-21T07:09:37 < dongs> otherwise i can just print the shit without chink text
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2017-02-21T07:17:04 < _ami_> hey guys
2017-02-21T07:18:27 < _ami_> i got a STM32F103C8T6 ARM STM32 board. 
2017-02-21T07:19:09 < _ami_> i am fairly experienced in Atmegas. wants to setup dev environment for this board on ubuntu 16.04
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2017-02-21T07:20:03 < _ami_> do we hv a guide on how to setup  stm32 dev environment on linux?
2017-02-21T07:20:06 < ReadError> theres probably 8999 tutorials ont his
2017-02-21T07:20:25 < dongs> _ami_: i suggest isntalling windows 10 and using keil evaluation
2017-02-21T07:23:04 < _ami_> ReadError: Is installing gcc-arm-none-eabi enough?
2017-02-21T07:23:12 < ReadError> uh sure 
2017-02-21T07:23:15 < ReadError> if you hate yourself
2017-02-21T07:23:35 < _ami_> meh?
2017-02-21T07:24:07 < englishman> you need to examine why lunix is a requirement in this project
2017-02-21T07:24:20 < englishman> if it indeed is a requirement and not just a personal preference
2017-02-21T07:24:50 < _ami_> personal preference. not much a win user 
2017-02-21T07:25:00 < dongs> more of a lose user, it seems
2017-02-21T07:25:06 < _ami_> why?
2017-02-21T07:25:10 < ReadError> and you run ubuntu ?
2017-02-21T07:25:19 < dongs> lunix for niggers
2017-02-21T07:25:19 < ReadError> not pro
2017-02-21T07:25:29 < _ami_> dongs: not cool!
2017-02-21T07:25:41 < _ami_> mind ur fucking buisness
2017-02-21T07:25:45 < ReadError> lol
2017-02-21T07:26:06 < ReadError> i think u just TRIGGERED someone dongs
2017-02-21T07:26:21 < _ami_> you seem to be a troll
2017-02-21T07:26:40 < ReadError> I disagree
2017-02-21T07:26:48 < _ami_> no,
2017-02-21T07:26:50 < ReadError> trolling is strictly prohibited here and on freenode
2017-02-21T07:27:23 < _ami_> just to let you know, i wrote linux kernel drivers and i hv patches in upstream kernel
2017-02-21T07:27:44 < _ami_> may be your brain is not good enough to learn linux. 
2017-02-21T07:27:44 < ReadError> i hiv patches
2017-02-21T07:27:58 < _ami_> fuck it
2017-02-21T07:28:02 < _ami_> i ma out here
2017-02-21T07:28:04 < ReadError> k
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2017-02-21T07:28:41  * ReadError makes another notch on the keyboard
2017-02-21T07:29:25 < ABLomas> =)
2017-02-21T07:29:41 < dongs> a bit low tolerance for someone from india
2017-02-21T07:32:14 < englishman> little does he know how many kernel upstream devs chat here
2017-02-21T07:32:58 < dongs> zero?
2017-02-21T07:41:09 < dongs> crt, is that enough for trolling
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2017-02-21T08:03:05 < dongs> amp!six took half a year to double click eclipse.exe
2017-02-21T08:03:07 < dongs> i dont think hes qualified
2017-02-21T08:03:12 < dongs> to answer sstm32 development questions
2017-02-21T08:03:32 < ABLomas> :D
2017-02-21T08:04:26 < emeb_mac> dongs: I got roped in to doing a KS -> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/697230891/e370-quad-morphing-vco
2017-02-21T08:04:42 < dongs> lol, pro
2017-02-21T08:04:44 < emeb_mac> one of my clients
2017-02-21T08:04:45 < dongs> all that sweet cash
2017-02-21T08:04:53 < emeb_mac> if only it were mine.
2017-02-21T08:05:20 < englishman> ctrl+f brambaugh -> no results
2017-02-21T08:05:26 < englishman> yea hes getting bubkiss
2017-02-21T08:05:43 < emeb_mac> got that right mister
2017-02-21T08:06:08 < dongs> whats the dsp
2017-02-21T08:06:13 < dongs> some blackfine trash?
2017-02-21T08:06:22 < dongs> aDUMvERYdUM
2017-02-21T08:06:23 < emeb_mac> nah - F746
2017-02-21T08:06:31 < dongs> cool
2017-02-21T08:06:56 < emeb_mac> hopefully way overpowered
2017-02-21T08:07:11 < emeb_mac> original prototype was F303 which was struggling
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2017-02-21T08:07:38 < dongs> ah yeah.
2017-02-21T08:10:12 < dongs> so which aprt are y ou doing
2017-02-21T08:10:17 < dongs> everything except marketing amirite
2017-02-21T08:10:22 < dongs> kikecad.exe
2017-02-21T08:10:27 < dongs> keil.exe
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2017-02-21T08:11:09 < emeb_mac> nah - did the MCU + periph schematic in diptrace & handed off to client who does analog & power.
2017-02-21T08:11:14 < emeb_mac> Then I do the firmware.
2017-02-21T08:11:52 < emeb_mac> and he does all the mfg
2017-02-21T08:12:22 < emeb_mac> and shipping & aftermarket support
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2017-02-21T08:21:56 < dongs> ol
2017-02-21T08:25:40 < emeb_mac> come to arizona where men are men and coyotes are nervous
2017-02-21T08:26:18 < emeb_mac> the wild west!
2017-02-21T08:26:50 < emeb_mac> just don't go shooting any saguaros
2017-02-21T08:27:19 < ds2> "honest, mr ranger, that was from a woodpecker" :D
2017-02-21T08:28:49 < emeb_mac> http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/20100407clay0408.html
2017-02-21T08:29:07 < emeb_mac> saguaro - the big ol' cactus we got here
2017-02-21T08:29:15 < emeb_mac> they're killers
2017-02-21T08:30:13 < emeb_mac> if'n you live here you gotta learn the lingo there pardner
2017-02-21T08:31:11 < emeb_mac> aussie?
2017-02-21T08:35:23 < ohsix> from ti datasheet, For stepper motors, current control is often used at all times.
2017-02-21T08:35:32 < ohsix> upgrdman: sup
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2017-02-21T08:38:03 < ohsix> robot class is over olol
2017-02-21T08:38:15 < ohsix> someone mentioned line following races
2017-02-21T08:38:22 < ohsix> i was bored with the whole thing until then
2017-02-21T08:38:36 < ohsix> (friend taught it, was just around to help)
2017-02-21T08:38:57 < ohsix> the stemcenterusa pibot sucks BALLS
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2017-02-21T08:41:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, earlier i was gonna mention that i have a new video up, and the screencast sections use my mic + ghetto mic amp. sounds much better than before (to me at least)
2017-02-21T08:41:13 < ohsix> gotta come up with our own kit
2017-02-21T08:41:18 < ohsix> oic nice ya i saw
2017-02-21T08:41:27 < ohsix> didn't know about mic tho
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2017-02-21T08:42:58 < ohsix> sounds pretty good
2017-02-21T08:43:09 < ohsix> sibilance
2017-02-21T08:43:10 < ohsix> heheh
2017-02-21T08:43:13 < ohsix> you might need a filter
2017-02-21T08:43:47 < upgrdman> wuts sibilance
2017-02-21T08:43:57 < ohsix> the S sound, basically
2017-02-21T08:44:00 < ohsix> SSSSS
2017-02-21T08:44:02 < upgrdman> o
2017-02-21T08:44:05 < ohsix> sounds hot on a mic cuz air is moving fast
2017-02-21T08:44:43 < ohsix> normally you put a little screen in front of the mic, i dunno what you do for a lav
2017-02-21T08:46:11 < ohsix> oh i guess if it is for screen capture it doesn't matter if you stick a filter in front, but there are mics that go on stands that'll probably be better
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2017-02-21T08:55:22 < upgrdman> nice excuse  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RE1e_DF_D8
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2017-02-21T08:58:32 < ohsix> sweet, finally found something to get on aliexpress
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2017-02-21T09:00:04 < ohsix> upgrdman: he could verify what he's saying at least huhu
2017-02-21T09:01:09 < ohsix> flyback: nice headline, when it is only 'about' dns, in that it is in the resolver
2017-02-21T09:01:33 < ohsix> if that shit gets you excited you better never start reverse engineering stuff
2017-02-21T09:01:38 < ohsix> it could kill you
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2017-02-21T09:06:20 < ohsix> awwwyeah on the aliexpress super highway
2017-02-21T09:07:06 < ohsix> saved 6 cents! and the ali version comes with some headers
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2017-02-21T09:08:01 < ohsix> now i need some motor shits
2017-02-21T09:08:18 < ohsix> if we make our own kits we'll probably 3d print junk huhuhu
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2017-02-21T09:09:21 < ohsix> the driver in the pibot and the tamiya diy gearbox sucks baaaaaaaaaaalls
2017-02-21T09:09:34 < ohsix> people had fucked up gearboxes for days, took forever to fix shit too
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2017-02-21T09:10:48 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ASME-MXB-High-power-high-torque-servo-the-3600-Degree-servo-12V-24V-380kg-cm-0/32686976772.html?spm=2114.01010208.6.7.Oak8uP&s=p lul, hax
2017-02-21T09:11:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, youre going to spend $105 on some stuff that looks like it was designed by a china ee student?
2017-02-21T09:12:16 < upgrdman> i bet that pot as like 5 degrees of slop
2017-02-21T09:13:03 < upgrdman> also, lol @ ebay name and ali link in their datasheet
2017-02-21T09:15:23 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-21T09:15:39 < ohsix> upgrdman: i would if i needed that, a servo of that class starts at 300
2017-02-21T09:15:50 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-21T09:16:07 < ohsix> the plastic '9g' servos went down in price, and there are a bunch of metal gear ones for cheap now http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-9g-Metal-Gear-Servo-For-Futaba-Hitec-HS-55-GWS-walkera-RC-HELICOPTER-KG-/172356763237?hash=item2821437e65:g:w8cAAOSw4shX62Jf
2017-02-21T09:17:18 < upgrdman> hmm, ships from malaysia
2017-02-21T09:17:38 < ohsix> i have a ton of the plastic ones and i haven't used them for something
2017-02-21T09:17:42 < ohsix> need to :<
2017-02-21T09:17:58 < ohsix> the line-us uses 3 and is just a pantograph & one servo lifting it
2017-02-21T09:18:14 < upgrdman> ya still trying to plan out my centipede before i buy like 100 of those
2017-02-21T09:18:43 < upgrdman> cause i fell like if i knew some ME stuff i could simplify it but keep it looking real instead of the gay skid steer kind
2017-02-21T09:19:33 < ohsix> the metal gear ones might be candidate for robot propulsion
2017-02-21T09:20:34 < ohsix> the biggest cost is me having to modify them huhu
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2017-02-21T09:21:39 < ohsix> https://learn.adafruit.com/modifying-servos-for-continuous-rotation/overview
2017-02-21T09:22:23 < upgrdman> people that mount their mobo/gpu/etc boxes on the wall. lolwut   https://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/5v8sx3/yes_i_have_a_problem_and_yes_im_okay_with_it/
2017-02-21T09:22:27 < ohsix> otherwise, we already have some of those 28byj steppers
2017-02-21T09:22:54 < ohsix> one of those laptops is old as shit
2017-02-21T09:22:59 < upgrdman> lol, i evne have a vid on how to mod servos for continuous rotation
2017-02-21T09:23:21 < ohsix> yar i have a junk one i'm gonna do it to
2017-02-21T09:23:29 < ohsix> i didn't realize the alternatives were so shitty
2017-02-21T09:23:48 < ohsix> those tamiya gearbox kits aren't exactly cheap
2017-02-21T09:24:38 < ohsix> https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/24/95/71/47/22/04_wheel_4_preview_featured.JPG this is kewl but the motors are pretty slow
2017-02-21T09:25:05 < ohsix> there aren't actually a lot of good options below 6v
2017-02-21T09:25:37 < ohsix> https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/e2/c4/34/d4/4a/f99e6f79dedac6c0608f4455f25dacaf_preview_card.JPG is p. kewl
2017-02-21T09:26:37 < ohsix> oh shit i forgot it isn't the 90s anymore, everyone is building robot chassis, i can look for some of them too
2017-02-21T09:27:32 < ohsix> we got a laser cutting dude or two in haus so we can do most of this shit
2017-02-21T09:27:54 < ohsix> https://hobbyking.com/en_us/simple-expandable-robot-chassis-kit.html lul tha tis kind of awesome
2017-02-21T09:28:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> I got 20 of the plastic gear micro-servos for $35 AUD recently
2017-02-21T09:28:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> Haven't yet done anything with them - The quadrapods in the planning stages still
2017-02-21T09:29:46 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-21T09:30:31 < ohsix> shit, just having them in a line flapping a piece of paper could look like some cool shit
2017-02-21T09:30:56 < ohsix> https://hobbyking.com/en_us/playful-puppy-robotic-kit-with-atmega8-control-board-and-ir-sensor.html
2017-02-21T09:31:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> Need to figure out how to drive em all
2017-02-21T09:31:34 < ohsix> that'll soak up 10 servos
2017-02-21T09:31:37 < ohsix> shift register
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2017-02-21T09:31:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm. The current design would use 14. THe extended design with a head would use 20
2017-02-21T09:31:56 < ohsix> you can drive like 8-16 from one part, and usually link them together easily
2017-02-21T09:32:19 < ohsix> https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/IC/SN74HC595.pdf one of em
2017-02-21T09:32:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> How does that work with the STM32's timer out for servos?
2017-02-21T09:32:52 < ohsix> it wouldn't
2017-02-21T09:33:03 < ohsix> you'd send a long bit string that let you do pwm on each shift register output pin
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2017-02-21T09:35:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> I have a PCA9686  (16 channel) that I could use for prototyping
2017-02-21T09:37:28 < ohsix> heh
2017-02-21T09:37:58 < ohsix> lul happened across a broken one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-Electric-Fan-Phone-Cooler-Cooling-For-Android-Phone-Creative-Design-/112039994259?var=&hash=item1a161aa393:m:mZk54t0VISPEORWEhf1UJbg
2017-02-21T09:38:12 < ohsix> the motor in them isn't bad, and just to strip it out, 1$/ea isn't bad either
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2017-02-21T09:39:08 < Peter_M> crt got your asbestos blankets ready?
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2017-02-21T09:44:54 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-21T09:44:55 < ohsix> heh
2017-02-21T09:45:07 < ohsix> if i cut the blades off those usb fans, the hubs could be little wheels
2017-02-21T09:48:01 < Peter_M> on the extra igbts do they need extra drivers/gdts or jsut some mroe resistors for gate?
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2017-02-21T09:53:30 < ohsix> upgrdman: on the rotating servos, what's the speed range between on and full throttle
2017-02-21T09:53:33 < ohsix> like 10x?
2017-02-21T09:53:53 < ohsix> i'll modify one soon enough, just wondering about how it speeds up based on how far it is from the setpoint
2017-02-21T09:56:14 < ohsix> i guess what i'm asking is, what is the function of the correction as it gets farther from the setpoint
2017-02-21T09:57:13 < upgrdman> ohsix, speed diff looks like this: https://youtu.be/cQuLKN0oYms?t=1893
2017-02-21T09:57:20 < dongs> class-BS, haha
2017-02-21T09:57:37 < ohsix> oh http://www.arduinoos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/agamem-agamem-microelectronic-inc-aa51880_2c5f85b8c0.pdf second datasheet i'd found has more info
2017-02-21T09:58:05 < dongs> nice servo tester bro
2017-02-21T09:58:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice, perfect
2017-02-21T09:58:16 < ohsix> upgrdman: ya i watched that video lul, didn't think about it
2017-02-21T09:58:33 < ohsix> external hbridge isn't a bad idea either
2017-02-21T09:58:40 < ohsix> we've already got drivers
2017-02-21T09:59:07 < ohsix> did you use 1% resistors or wut
2017-02-21T09:59:38 < ohsix> hm hbridge might even be great
2017-02-21T09:59:53 < ohsix> the 51880 in the '9g' servos does 300mW at 9v
2017-02-21T10:00:07 < ohsix> the drv8833 does 1.5a/ch
2017-02-21T10:00:35 < upgrdman> ohsix, i reused the hbridge in the servo, but drive the gates with my mcu instead of letting the servo pcb do it
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2017-02-21T10:00:43 < upgrdman> oh
2017-02-21T10:01:03 < upgrdman> ya for that first part where i just removed the pot... i think they were 2% or 1% resistors
2017-02-21T10:01:14 < upgrdman> didnt check or care. wont matter.
2017-02-21T10:01:39 < upgrdman> you'll get drift, prolly from the resistor tempco and maybe from the mcu/adc drifiting over temp or time
2017-02-21T10:01:57 < upgrdman> which is why i do the external hbridge control instead for anything i want to perform decently
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2017-02-21T10:05:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: word
2017-02-21T10:06:11 < ohsix> i'll get 1% or better olol, they don't cost much
2017-02-21T10:06:21 < ohsix> all we'll care about is the stop position
2017-02-21T10:06:39 < ohsix> the existing motor situation is pretty shit
2017-02-21T10:07:00 < malinus> usb noob - I'm using some generic usb driver cdcacm on my stm32f4. Is it possible to somehow make it pull automatically, instead of having to do it as often as possible in the main loop? I mean, other than just having a "thread" - routine triggered by a clock.
2017-02-21T10:07:35 < ohsix> poll?
2017-02-21T10:07:55 < ohsix> usb kind of means you'll be polling for new junk, ya
2017-02-21T10:08:06 < Thorn> interrupts exist
2017-02-21T10:08:13 < ohsix> the stack should give you a callback
2017-02-21T10:08:15 < dongs> err
2017-02-21T10:08:16 < Thorn> usb cores have interrupts
2017-02-21T10:08:22 < dongs> malinus: why USB stack are you using
2017-02-21T10:08:30 < dongs> all the oens ive seen including ST sample shit is all interrupt driven
2017-02-21T10:08:31 < malinus> dongs: libopencm3's
2017-02-21T10:08:34 < dongs> o i c
2017-02-21T10:08:37 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-02-21T10:08:40 < dongs> maybe karlp can help
2017-02-21T10:09:05 < malinus> Okay, I'll look for the interrupts, thanks.
2017-02-21T10:09:16 < malinus> libopencm3 isn't that popular in here?
2017-02-21T10:09:16 < dongs> i would imagine thre should be opensores example of usb cdc
2017-02-21T10:09:26 < Thorn> extern "C" void OTG_FS_IRQHandler() { poll(); }
2017-02-21T10:09:29 < dongs> only with masochists
2017-02-21T10:09:41 < dongs> personalyl I use keil usb driver, its like one click thing to setup with usbcdc
2017-02-21T10:09:58 < ohsix> popularity polling is skewed
2017-02-21T10:10:43 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya that's what i was saying. the stop position WILL change. in a matter on minutes.
2017-02-21T10:10:43 < malinus> dongs: well it seems to justWork®© so far. And all peripherals seem to be supported.
2017-02-21T10:10:57 < upgrdman> ohsix, not sure why. guessing tempco of resistor or adc or both
2017-02-21T10:11:32 < malinus> But I've only used the spi/ic2 and adc. And started looking at the USB peripheral. No idea how it compares to other libraries
2017-02-21T10:11:56 < ohsix> upgrdman: even if both are reasonably matched and they have similar tempco? these 9g servos are small
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2017-02-21T10:12:09 < ohsix> upgrdman: it is probably rc oscillator drift
2017-02-21T10:12:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> Libopencm3 is ok. Slightly better documented than the std. periph lib I think (ignoring people's code xamples, etc, online)
2017-02-21T10:12:38 < ohsix> that won't have correlated thing and will affect pulse width measurement
2017-02-21T10:13:03 < Jak_o_Shadows> also, malinus, what purpose does not having it polled achieve?
2017-02-21T10:13:17 < Jak_o_Shadows> also, upgrdman, why an external h-bridge?
2017-02-21T10:13:33 < ohsix> cuz ppm control is less great
2017-02-21T10:13:49 < ohsix> i want modified servos for the gearbox & motor
2017-02-21T10:13:56 < Jak_o_Shadows> Fair enough.
2017-02-21T10:14:01 < ohsix> so either is good
2017-02-21T10:14:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> I remember seeing a way to get torque control out, just using ppm and a few discrete parts
2017-02-21T10:14:43 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-21T10:14:59 < ohsix> nothing like that in the simple controllers i'm looking at, probably in better ones tho
2017-02-21T10:15:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> Oh, you'd have to write your own control loop. 
2017-02-21T10:15:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> My end goal would be to put this in, and have like, i2c servos or something
2017-02-21T10:15:42 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-21T10:16:06 < ohsix> you could probably swap the pcb, or put an mcu where the current controller is :D
2017-02-21T10:16:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> I WAS going to use msp430s, but I the toolchain seems a tad bit of a mess.
2017-02-21T10:16:47 < ohsix> https://cdn-learn.adafruit.com/assets/assets/000/012/041/medium800/hacks_IMG_0190.jpg?1383462692 in the '9g' servos
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2017-02-21T10:22:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, yes, even if the resistors are matched well.
2017-02-21T10:22:39 < upgrdman> Jak_o_Shadows, wasnt using an external hbridge. was controlling the hbridge externally. e.g. reusing the hbridge on the servo pcb, but driving it from my mcu
2017-02-21T10:24:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> aha. Yes. Watching the videos helps
2017-02-21T10:26:42 < PaulFertser> Random OT car question: what (mobile?) application would you use to exchange AT-commands with an ELM327 via Bluetooth or WiFi?
2017-02-21T10:27:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> PaulFertser, do you have any suggestions for non-bluetooth software? I have a USB one, and it didn't really work with PyOBD
2017-02-21T10:28:01 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: I know people use Torque on Android to read error codes etc, works both via Bluetooth and WiFi.
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2017-02-21T10:28:58 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: there're many different "elm327" ICs running different bad firmware. It doesn't depend much on the medium used to get the data to your control terminal.
2017-02-21T10:29:12 < PaulFertser> Also, some clones just do not wire K-Line or wire it incorrectly etc.
2017-02-21T10:29:39 < Jak_o_Shadows> hmm. I borrowed this one off a mate, and he reckons it worked
2017-02-21T10:29:47 < ohsix> and the name is the first seller and de-facto protocol
2017-02-21T10:30:02 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: there're plenty of different protocols too, so probably it's just that PyOBD expects your car to talk some CAN-based protocol but the car doesn't support it or some such.
2017-02-21T10:30:35 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: there's windows utility called elm327 identifier, you can use it to learn more about this particular device and its limitations.
2017-02-21T10:30:51 < PaulFertser> Hm, or is it android utility
2017-02-21T10:31:10 < PaulFertser> I do not understand much in proprietary apps, hence why asking you what to use to simply talk to it directly via its AT commands.
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2017-02-21T10:33:41 < ohsix> malinus: it looks like you can just hook usbd_poll to the appropriate usb irq
2017-02-21T10:34:17 < ohsix> the poll routine checks all the status flags and calls the right members of the usb struct
2017-02-21T10:34:36 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, hmm. i've only ever use Torque, but im guessing those things are just bluetooth uarts. maybe try an android terminal app, connect to the uart, and try sending ascii text (the at commands) to it
2017-02-21T10:35:25 < upgrdman> or use a laptop for quicker testing since you'll have a real keyboard that way
2017-02-21T10:35:32 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: do you have any specific suggestion for an android terminal app?
2017-02-21T10:35:43 < malinus> ohsix: did you happen to see which irq?
2017-02-21T10:35:54 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, i dont remember what i tried a few years back, and i no longer have that phone
2017-02-21T10:35:55 < upgrdman> but
2017-02-21T10:36:03 < upgrdman> search the play store for "terminal app"
2017-02-21T10:36:12 < PaulFertser> Ok, thanks :)
2017-02-21T10:36:16 < upgrdman> the one i tried even had basic supply to send AT commands
2017-02-21T10:36:26 < upgrdman> maybe search for "terminal at commands" etc
2017-02-21T10:36:55 < PaulFertser> I'm just trying to write some intstructions for non-programmers. The task at hand was already solved by using a netbook with wifi and regular telnet to tcp port.
2017-02-21T10:37:09 < Thorn> btw why do I keep encountering this polling thing wrt libopencm3 usb? why not just do it in a ISR?
2017-02-21T10:37:47 < Thorn> I found some github bugs, are they doing some weird stuff in their usb stack or something
2017-02-21T10:38:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah. I thought I could just talk to it over serial.
2017-02-21T10:38:51 < Jak_o_Shadows> Will have to play more. Was bloody hot
2017-02-21T10:39:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> Thorn - I THINK the poll function may be the interrupt. The USB host is polling you
2017-02-21T10:39:33 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, this looks like the app i used a while ago
2017-02-21T10:39:36 < ohsix> malinus: look at vector_nvic.c
2017-02-21T10:39:44 < upgrdman> and the screenshots even show it talking to some ODB2 thing :)
2017-02-21T10:39:48 < ohsix> i don't have a tree here and it is a generated file
2017-02-21T10:39:56 < Thorn> I'm talking while(1) usbd_poll(); vs. void IRQHandler() { poll(); }
2017-02-21T10:40:13 < upgrdman> oops forgot link
2017-02-21T10:40:17 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=Qwerty.BluetoothTerminal&hl=en
2017-02-21T10:40:22 < Thorn> they seem to advocate the former
2017-02-21T10:40:35 < ohsix> it's also in the datasheet
2017-02-21T10:40:36 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: thanks!
2017-02-21T10:40:44 < upgrdman> :)
2017-02-21T10:40:54 < zyp> Thorn, the latter will make callbacks and stuff run under handler context
2017-02-21T10:41:04 < zyp> which isn't always a good idea
2017-02-21T10:41:16 < ohsix> Thorn: that's just the samples, don't think it is any kind of suggestion
2017-02-21T10:42:05 < zyp> Thorn, a better option for making something interrupt driven might be to have the ISR just schedule the poll to run somehow
2017-02-21T10:42:18 < zyp> in a multithreaded system, it could be unpausing a thread
2017-02-21T10:43:32 < Thorn> like DPC or bottom half in linux?
2017-02-21T10:44:19 < Thorn> well if there is an rtos the handler can use queues or semaphores to signal a task
2017-02-21T10:44:36 < zyp> yeah
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2017-02-21T10:47:39 < Thorn> however it seems safer to only touch the actual peripheral in a handler context (e. g. no reentrancy problems)
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2017-02-21T10:51:53 < ohsix> usbd_poll can do all of those things olol
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2017-02-21T11:00:12 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/punchesbears/status/833795420505534464
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2017-02-21T11:20:09 < malinus> zyp: care to explain how that would be better? If there is a interrupt coupled to the event, wouldn't it be beter to take care of it imidietly? Instead of only scheduling the poll.
2017-02-21T11:21:23 < malinus> re: "the latter will make callbacks and stuff run under handler context"
2017-02-21T11:21:55 < Thorn> the callbacks may be long and heavy
2017-02-21T11:22:14 < Thorn> and may even require more rtos functionality than available in a handler context
2017-02-21T11:24:08 < malinus> Yeah I have no idea of what actually happens when usbd_poll() is called
2017-02-21T11:24:38 < zyp> what Thorn said
2017-02-21T11:24:53 < dongs> yeah setting a flag that wakes up a poll thread is the way to go
2017-02-21T11:24:57 < Thorn> it calls user-supplied callbacks, e.g. on transfer complete
2017-02-21T11:25:06 < Thorn> this is what's relevant
2017-02-21T11:26:25 < dongs> GNU/RMS
2017-02-21T11:27:28 < dongs> time to upgrad it to class-BS
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2017-02-21T11:56:38 < Thorn> suddenly good explanation of fault registers http://www.keil.com/appnotes/files/apnt209.pdf
2017-02-21T11:58:33 < Steffanx> Too bad half of it isabout how to use keil
2017-02-21T11:59:59 < Thorn> only a third
2017-02-21T12:00:51 < dongs> any pro would be using keil anyway
2017-02-21T12:07:11 < ohsix> boop
2017-02-21T12:08:12 < ohsix> malinus: but flagging in the irq handler to run usbd_poll isn't super different from just running it each iteration
2017-02-21T12:08:32 < ohsix> you avoid calling parts of usbd_poll that check what type of shit is ready, and that's about it
2017-02-21T12:09:11 < ohsix> buuuut if you had your routine called from a callback in the irq context, you could run into weird problems
2017-02-21T12:09:41 < ohsix> you might have to be careful which functions you call to get that character (in the case of cdc-acm)
2017-02-21T12:11:20 < ohsix> if you handle all the stuff in irq context, you'll add some jitter to code that is looping, but you'll also lower the latency. if the main loop takes a long time, in the irq flag, and usbd_poll situation, they'll be pretty equivalent
2017-02-21T12:13:08 < ohsix> you have to respond to the host before some maximum time has elapsed too (though it might be a long time, not sure)
2017-02-21T12:19:51 < zyp> depends what you're doing
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2017-02-21T12:20:10 < zyp> for most control requests, timeout is a pretty high value
2017-02-21T12:20:25 < zyp> but I think set_address is strict about timing
2017-02-21T12:21:04 < malinus> ohsix: Yeah I see your point. I guess I stick with just calling the usbd_poll in the main loop for now. The time that you need to respond to the host is less than 1ms
2017-02-21T12:21:36 < ReadError> yall know 'chatter' ?
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2017-02-21T12:21:43 < ReadError> <chatter29> prophet muhammad peace be upon him was sent to destroy the musical instruments
2017-02-21T12:21:43 < ReadError> <chatter29> trowsers of men should not go below the ankles the part that goes below the ankles will burn in the fire of hell
2017-02-21T12:21:43 < ReadError> <chatter29> but if you are at the airport and a announcement is being made then it is okay because you can not do anything but you can not call another women
2017-02-21T12:21:43 < ReadError> <chatter29> taking selfies are not allowed
2017-02-21T12:21:43 < ReadError> <chatter29> because this selfie that you are taking you are gonna show it to your mother and she is gonna see someone who she is not suppose to see
2017-02-21T12:21:44 < ReadError> <chatter29> need spiritual doctor visit http://www.alhaadi.org.za
2017-02-21T12:21:45 < malinus> zyp: USB says - high speed: 125usec, full speed: 1ms, low speed: 1ms
2017-02-21T12:21:52 < ReadError> some wise words
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2017-02-21T12:22:00 < dongs> 85 ms to copy 2.56mb from one block of stm32 sdram to another
2017-02-21T12:22:06 < dongs> around 30meg/sec
2017-02-21T12:22:06 < ReadError> the sun is not doing allah is doing
2017-02-21T12:22:12 < dongs> is this the best im gonna do or should I bother trying to setup m2m dma
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2017-02-21T12:22:34 < dongs> ReadError: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-02-21T12:23:40 < Steffanx> Stvn.
2017-02-21T12:24:22 < ReadError> thats his slave name
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2017-02-21T12:27:32 < ohsix> zyp: there's nothing that says what order the sections need to be in, and some sections specifically say it has to be first, or before another section. none of that mentions relocations
2017-02-21T12:27:57 < ohsix> down to the linker script, so you'd just have to assure it
2017-02-21T12:28:29 < zyp> ohsix, ok
2017-02-21T12:29:38 < dongs> amp!six is creating STM32 USB devices/
2017-02-21T12:30:16 < zyp> no, that was about something else we discussed the other day
2017-02-21T12:30:20 < ohsix> what would be real trick is putting the flash programming algorithms or some shit in one of the elf sections
2017-02-21T12:30:28 < ohsix> so it could program itself heheh
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2017-02-21T12:39:04 < ohsix> wrt usb (2, at least) end to end signal time for low/full is 16-18 bit times, and for high speed they have a little table and have 721 bit times as worst case
2017-02-21T12:39:27 < ohsix> oh, 736-816 on the same terms as low/full
2017-02-21T12:40:11 < ohsix> hm heh
2017-02-21T12:40:21 < ohsix> reading this makes it obvious why hubs are a problem and a few situations i've had stuff fail
2017-02-21T12:40:32 < ohsix> will have to remember to throw wireshark at it or something nextime
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2017-02-21T12:49:16 < psprint> Huh I've found a cool shop in my small city, with various cables and connectors, for example female DC power plug with 2 sprint-cable-grab slots for cables
2017-02-21T12:49:29 < psprint> s/sprint/spring/
2017-02-21T12:50:53 < Lux> any ideas if there is a good cheap(<400€) function generator out there ?
2017-02-21T12:51:12 < Thorn> sdg2000x or 1000x
2017-02-21T12:52:11 < Lux> thanks
2017-02-21T12:52:17 < Lux> looks better than the old rigol stuff
2017-02-21T12:52:53 < ohsix> there's the MINGHE 5200
2017-02-21T12:52:56 < ohsix> it's usable
2017-02-21T12:53:20 < ohsix> has ttl and junk on the back
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2017-02-21T12:55:44 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-DDS-MHS-5200A-6MHz-Arbitrary-Waveform-Signal-Source-Function-Generator-/351816246424?hash=item51e9e1e498:g:0RoAAOSwZVlXuVTT these poops
2017-02-21T12:56:30 < ohsix> it's possible to get the arbitrary waveform junk in there, but it is a pain in the butt
2017-02-21T12:57:07 < Lux> definetly cheap
2017-02-21T12:58:34 < ohsix> i've used one for a bit, dunno what to expect from a function generator though, and the only time i was kind of frustrated with it, is when i couldn't do a thing that wasn't very function-generate-y
2017-02-21T12:59:13 < ohsix> i want a function gen that lets you enter mark and space timings for square waves as the ui ;] so i can have it trigger things
2017-02-21T12:59:24 < Lux> it's just for the local hackerspace, they want a function gen for playing around
2017-02-21T12:59:35 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-21T13:00:20 < ohsix> related, i tried the bus pirate
2017-02-21T13:00:26 < ohsix> it's alright but it is way simpler than i had imagined
2017-02-21T13:00:36 < Thorn> sdg can do that, even output groups of n pulses x seconds apart
2017-02-21T13:00:37 < ohsix> tried/used a bit
2017-02-21T13:01:03 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-21T13:01:31 < ohsix> ya i needed a 2us signal and like 300us space, couldn't cheat it with the duty cycle
2017-02-21T13:01:33 < Thorn> what it can't do afaik is invert the square wave so that idle is +x vols and active is 0
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2017-02-21T13:02:52 < Lux> the new rigol stuff doesn't look too bad either http://www.batronix.com/shop/waveform-generator/Rigol-DG1022Z.html
2017-02-21T13:02:54 < ohsix> the siglents look worth the money
2017-02-21T13:03:11 < ohsix> the ui on the 5200 is a little weird, but not insurmountable
2017-02-21T13:03:39 < ohsix> would be cool if they just had a button to toggle between the rows, and say that it does that on the front
2017-02-21T13:03:51 < dongs> batshittronix
2017-02-21T13:04:52 < dongs> patreon.com/ampsix
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2017-02-21T13:08:10 < dongs> I've been creating Electronics Engineering Youtube videos since April 2009, and have been doing this full time since 2011. I was the first full time video blogger in the engineering space and have produced over 700 videos. 
2017-02-21T13:08:47 < dongs> I also founded and co-host the world biggest engineering podcast radio show, called The Amp Hour (that one doesn't generate any revenue!)
2017-02-21T13:08:55 < dongs> the amp hour
2017-02-21T13:08:59 < dongs> it all makes sense now
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2017-02-21T13:09:16 < ohsix> he was
2017-02-21T13:09:26 < ohsix> look at that qualification, 'full time'
2017-02-21T13:10:50 < dongs> 5) If you are interested in buying the PCB package DIPtrace, I have an affiliate link that gets me a very large percentage of the retail price. Just CLICK HERE before ordering.
2017-02-21T13:11:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> ie. the first to be able to afford to do it full time
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2017-02-21T13:17:31 < Steffanx> Stvn
2017-02-21T13:21:27 < karlp> zyp: the bss138 was already in zypsnips from peterm from ages ago ;)
2017-02-21T13:22:31 < karlp> nvm, you were talking about the IRL7486MTRPBF I see
2017-02-21T13:25:27 < Thorn> complementary pair for IRL7486: IRC7486
2017-02-21T13:29:34 < ReadError> ohsix: .
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2017-02-21T13:30:51 < ohsix> sup
2017-02-21T13:31:15 < ohsix> did you know there's a market for devices that 'tape delay' trampoline performances
2017-02-21T13:31:35 < Steffanx> Sky. Clouds. Crt.
2017-02-21T13:31:36 < ohsix> camera records the person, and it just plays a minute or two delayed on tv nearby
2017-02-21T13:32:09 < ohsix> anyways someone told me about some dudes with loads of cash to blow, they're putting a trampoline room in their new hosue for their 10 year old gymnast prodigywhatever
2017-02-21T13:32:23 < ohsix> just for the video box, no camera, no display, they're like 1500 bux
2017-02-21T13:32:43 < ohsix> i already hacked up the thing with gstreamer and i'm gonna do it on a pi, maybe even with just the pi camera
2017-02-21T13:32:52 < Steffanx> But < 10C crt.
2017-02-21T13:33:02 < Steffanx> 10°C
2017-02-21T13:34:01 < ReadError> ohsix: how to get in contact with terry davis
2017-02-21T13:34:32 < ohsix> sneak god into the random data nist distributes
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2017-02-21T13:34:52 < dongs> ReadError: pick up the red phone and dial 1-800-AUTISM
2017-02-21T13:34:53 < Steffanx> Just phone him.
2017-02-21T13:35:02 < Steffanx> Hah.
2017-02-21T13:35:06 < ReadError> trying to get him to do a LRH interview
2017-02-21T13:35:14 < ReadError> for funnies
2017-02-21T13:35:21 < ohsix> ask wired or whoever wrote about him
2017-02-21T13:35:23 < Steffanx> Lode? Waste of time.
2017-02-21T13:35:30 < dongs> Terry A. Davis (born 1969), American programmer and creator of TempleOS
2017-02-21T13:35:51 < Steffanx> 69.. Suck sexism
2017-02-21T13:35:53 < Steffanx> Such
2017-02-21T13:36:01 < ReadError> Steffanx: you havent even heard the Dwaine
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2017-02-21T13:36:24 < Steffanx> No ReadError
2017-02-21T13:38:15 < Steffanx> Whats getting fixed today crt?
2017-02-21T13:38:18 < ReadError> yup
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2017-02-21T13:47:56 < dongs> free 2 day shipping on arrow.com
2017-02-21T13:48:00 < dongs> for the rest of the year
2017-02-21T13:48:02 < Laurenceb_> If a person is hung they have a large penis. If a person is hanged they have a noose around their neck and are dangling from the gallows. The difference is important.
2017-02-21T13:48:03 < dongs> lets see waht the catch is
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2017-02-21T13:48:32 < dongs> By spending $399 at Arrow.com before March 31st, you will gain access to this new and exclusive program. The first perk is free 2-day shipping on every order for the rest of 2017.
2017-02-21T13:48:45 < dongs> It’s simple. Once you have spent $399, you will receive an email with a unique promo code tied to your account. Use the code when you check out to get the parts you need, faster.
2017-02-21T13:49:03 < dongs> This promotion allows for free US domestic two day shipping and upgraded international shipping on all purchases. 
2017-02-21T13:49:28 < dongs> https://www.arrow.com/en/research-and-events/videos/introducing-orcad-capture-cloud wat
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2017-02-21T13:52:31 < Thorn> https://st-onlinetraining.s3.amazonaws.com/STM32F7-Peripheral_Digital_Filter_for_SD_Modulators_interface/index.html
2017-02-21T13:57:50 < dongs> when they say 4 kSPS, is that 4*1024 symbols or 4*1000 symbols
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2017-02-21T14:02:11 < karlp> ohsix: cute idea putting flash algorithms into a special elf section :)
2017-02-21T14:02:44 < karlp> you could probably make an executable .elf that contained all the firmware to do the flashing inside an embedded elf too I guess.
2017-02-21T14:13:38 < Lux> dongs: should be 1000 iirc
2017-02-21T14:14:41 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/2f6058e1169320c6edac6d3e0c0ef21732850ca8d45a759648ccdfc740e42af9.jpg
2017-02-21T14:16:58 < Laurenceb_> Foreigners like to call themselves "British" because Britain is shit
2017-02-21T14:22:13 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/259711cfbb0adfbcd0f3e17d4c1739a8eecea5be642cfa189a214f846c12c058.jpg
2017-02-21T14:22:44 < Steffanx> Ask englishman about the catch when using Arrow, dongs 
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2017-02-21T14:49:46 < Steffanx> Stvn?
2017-02-21T15:02:51 < Laurenceb_> crt spotted irl https://media.8ch.net/file_store/72827a499a7bbc8c01d69f52d3f3caa0918a36081ff1528f2a5b10acdaf9b9a3.png
2017-02-21T15:06:15 < karlp> fuck protos back with connector mounted upside down.
2017-02-21T15:13:16 < sync_> nice
2017-02-21T15:17:40 < karlp> sidekick is like, "this shit is hot" "didyou use the right debug connector, it's a different wiring" "I think so?" "fuck, yep, that's way hotter"
2017-02-21T15:23:58 < sync_> :D
2017-02-21T15:25:23 < englishman> Laurenceb_: wut
2017-02-21T15:25:40 < Laurenceb_> check the neck
2017-02-21T15:25:43 < englishman> yea
2017-02-21T15:25:50 < englishman> adams apple bigger than a grapefruit
2017-02-21T15:26:56 < englishman> who was talking about arrow
2017-02-21T15:27:03 < englishman> every shipment from them has been free?
2017-02-21T15:27:09 < englishman> what bullshit scam are they trying to pull
2017-02-21T15:27:47 < englishman> did you know their entire customer service department is an answering machine from 1984 with no tape in it
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2017-02-21T15:35:08 < Steffanx> Lol. You should do a daily arrow "did you know.."
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2017-02-21T15:39:49 < englishman> well it has one tape in it. the one with the recording telling you to leave a message. but the other tape, on which the message is recorded, is not present
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2017-02-21T15:54:43 < englishman> dongs still there
2017-02-21T15:54:51 < dongs> barely
2017-02-21T15:54:58 < englishman> what zeph accessories do i need
2017-02-21T15:55:01 < englishman> $30 plunger?
2017-02-21T15:55:03 < englishman> ordering now
2017-02-21T15:55:17 < dongs> none, just the syringe. no. it c omes with a regular plastic pushing one iirc
2017-02-21T15:55:21 < dongs> unless they made that extra too
2017-02-21T15:55:25 < englishman> ah k
2017-02-21T15:55:32 < dongs> lets see their site
2017-02-21T15:56:15 < dongs> 'econo plunger'
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2017-02-21T15:56:25 < dongs> holy shit it is $5
2017-02-21T15:56:44 < englishman> il just use a fuckin screwdriver
2017-02-21T15:56:49 < dongs> right lol
2017-02-21T15:56:52 < dongs> and you dont need any tips either
2017-02-21T15:56:53 < englishman> that shit turns me off
2017-02-21T15:56:59 < englishman> and i was considering a preheater
2017-02-21T15:57:07 < englishman> but i know theyll nickel and dime that shit too
2017-02-21T15:57:24 < englishman> o yyea
2017-02-21T15:57:32 < englishman> $500 for preheater, with board cradle in picture
2017-02-21T15:57:36 < englishman> >board cradle not included
2017-02-21T15:57:46 < englishman> board cradle: $400
2017-02-21T16:01:01 < englishman> alright thx gnite
2017-02-21T16:05:22 < englishman> still nickel and diming
2017-02-21T16:05:28 < englishman> $45 international surcharge
2017-02-21T16:05:37 < englishman> * Notice to International Customers. We have a $45 Surcharge to accommodate special paperwork, international commercial invoices, special handling and scheduling international truck pick ups.
2017-02-21T16:05:43 < englishman> wow thats complete bullshit
2017-02-21T16:05:49 < dongs> ahaha
2017-02-21T16:05:51 < dongs> holy shit man.
2017-02-21T16:05:53 < englishman> yea
2017-02-21T16:05:59 < englishman> theyre doing a good job
2017-02-21T16:06:02 < englishman> of not taking my money
2017-02-21T16:06:15 < englishman> not that my $100 or whatever matters
2017-02-21T16:06:15 < dongs> englishman: i've always bought that shit through my pal in usa
2017-02-21T16:06:17 < englishman> but fuck man
2017-02-21T16:06:19 < englishman> yea
2017-02-21T16:06:31 < englishman> fuck this il get that indium tub
2017-02-21T16:06:38 < englishman> 400g for $120
2017-02-21T16:07:03 < englishman> and it has a real pds and real company behind it
2017-02-21T16:07:13 < englishman> /wtc zeph
2017-02-21T16:08:15 < kakimir> shit
2017-02-21T16:09:00 < dongs> isnt 'international truck pickups' just letting usps pickup the shit at that dudes porch
2017-02-21T16:09:38 < englishman> there is no such thing
2017-02-21T16:13:40 < kakimir> not that bored
2017-02-21T16:14:01 < kakimir> yet another multimeter teardown
2017-02-21T16:14:12 < dongs> autism teardown
2017-02-21T16:14:20 < kakimir> you see one done right and one done wrong and you have seen it all
2017-02-21T16:14:33 < karlp> what should I be serching for if I just want a usb-B device connector to a usb-A hsot side conector with test points for the d+/d- lines?
2017-02-21T16:14:45 < karlp> is this something that isn't being made in china?
2017-02-21T16:14:56 < kakimir> sure japland is it's own electronics market
2017-02-21T16:17:04 < karlp> sort of like this https://www.crowdsupply.com/xipiter/usbcondom only with more useful options 
2017-02-21T16:17:05 < zyp> karlp, something like this: http://www.tactileautomation.com/usb-breakout-board.html ?
2017-02-21T16:17:06 < dongs> karlp: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/beating-ampsix-at-google-game/32794579779.html
2017-02-21T16:17:28 < karlp> dongs: like zyps only not $30 :)
2017-02-21T16:17:33 < karlp> zyp: yeah, like that.
2017-02-21T16:17:53 < karlp> usb breakout and usb spy and usb sniff and things were only giving me spy cameras and dongs links.
2017-02-21T16:17:57 < zyp> how about just cutting a cable?
2017-02-21T16:18:21 < dongs> CONTACT MISS BLUE
2017-02-21T16:18:23 < zyp> that's what I'd do if I needed to look at usb and had no other points conveniently available
2017-02-21T16:18:39 < dongs> also karlp 
2017-02-21T16:18:42 < dongs> thats USB-A on both ends
2017-02-21T16:18:51 < dongs> USB-B is square pritner shit.
2017-02-21T16:19:14 < kakimir> miss blue
2017-02-21T16:19:44 < dongs> http://www.usb.org/developers/estoreinfo/USB3p1_Fixture_Topologies.pdf
2017-02-21T16:19:52 < dongs> I think USB.org will want several grand for these SMA connectors
2017-02-21T16:19:56 < dongs> easily beating kikemir
2017-02-21T16:20:20 < dongs> http://www.bplus.com.tw/ExtenderBoard/U2EX.html
2017-02-21T16:20:29 < dongs> anywho, usb test fixture seems to be the thing
2017-02-21T16:20:30 < kakimir> precision made non-china
2017-02-21T16:20:36 < kakimir> actual gold
2017-02-21T16:20:55 < dongs> haha that price
2017-02-21T16:20:57 < dongs> $112
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2017-02-21T16:21:10 < kakimir> SMA or the board?
2017-02-21T16:21:16 < dongs> no the 2nd link
2017-02-21T16:21:20 < dongs> SMA is thousands i would guess
2017-02-21T16:22:37 < kakimir> can there be thousands sma connector?
2017-02-21T16:23:09 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/thats-some-weirdly-specific-shit/32667189206.html
2017-02-21T16:23:19 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: easily recognized as some sort of spark over
2017-02-21T16:23:32 < kakimir> or flash tube
2017-02-21T16:24:34 < kakimir> prob it's full ceramic including dark part
2017-02-21T16:24:44 < kakimir> carbon
2017-02-21T16:24:59 < kakimir> because arching is hot
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2017-02-21T16:32:36 < karlp> zyp: yeah, cutting a cable is one way, just not as rigid for when I don't want it connected to an analyser.
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2017-02-21T16:33:48 < karlp> thanks for all the links
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2017-02-21T16:34:20 < dongs> 'analyzer'?
2017-02-21T16:34:33 < dongs> every USB analyzer ive seen acts as the board you want
2017-02-21T16:34:43 < dongs> as in it sits in between your PC and DUT
2017-02-21T16:35:04 < dongs> unless youre doing some gay shit like scoping usb lines
2017-02-21T16:36:31 < karlp> yeah, those usb-if test fixtures are nice, but wayyyy more than I want/need :)
2017-02-21T16:36:39 < karlp> only interested in FS
2017-02-21T16:36:56 < karlp> yeah, this is for ghetto USB-FS sniffing with an LA
2017-02-21T16:39:00 < karlp> abuse the shit out of them and know that they'll be ok for FS speed anyway?
2017-02-21T16:40:56 < karlp> what do you mean? just two LA inputs, and decode the differences.  
2017-02-21T16:40:56 < karlp> On low and full speed devices, a differential ‘1’ is transmitted by pulling D+ over 2.8V with a 15K ohm resistor pulled to ground and D- under 0.3V with a 1.5K ohm resistor pulled to 3.6V.
2017-02-21T16:41:05 < karlp> ie, logic levels are ok.  
2017-02-21T16:41:19 < karlp> 0 is the other way around.
2017-02-21T16:41:41 < karlp> sigrok has a decoder taking a d+ and d- line and giving the symbols, then a higher one to packets.
2017-02-21T16:42:20 < BrainDamage> as long as the signal levels are ok to trigger individual logic tresholds towards gnd you can just decode differential fine
2017-02-21T16:42:40 < BrainDamage> in fact you could even discard a channel since the info is redundant
2017-02-21T16:42:52 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-21T16:43:17 < karlp> like this: http://implementality.blogspot.is/2013/09/sniffing-usb-for-answers.html
2017-02-21T16:44:01 < karlp> logic for a logic analyser?
2017-02-21T16:44:06 < karlp> pretty sure that works ok ;)
2017-02-21T16:48:15 < karlp> yes, but have you ever seen something that calls itself a LA, and can't do >2.8 and < 0.3?
2017-02-21T16:48:30 < karlp> you're off in the deep woods of theoretical problems
2017-02-21T16:48:59 < karlp> https://www.tindie.com/products/FriedCircuits/usb-tester-20/?pt=full_prod_search is the cheapest I've seen.
2017-02-21T16:50:50 < dongs>  < karlp> you're off in the deep woods of theoretical problems
2017-02-21T16:50:54 < dongs> sounds like you're chatting with amp!six
2017-02-21T16:51:45 < dongs> karlp: for $12
2017-02-21T16:51:47 < dongs> you can make your own pcb
2017-02-21T16:51:53 < dongs> and get 10 of htem done for $10
2017-02-21T16:51:58 < dongs> any any high quality chinahouse
2017-02-21T16:52:05 < karlp> yeah, was just browsing shops, was hoping this was something that already existed.
2017-02-21T16:52:34 < karlp> apparently, yes, but not often enough for china clones
2017-02-21T16:52:59 < karlp> well it's only $12 if you're close enough to tindie.  it's "shipping to iceland starts at $13" ;)
2017-02-21T16:53:17 < karlp> so a cut extension cable on some vero board is probably what I'll do
2017-02-21T16:54:04 < dongs> all this autism over nothing, fuck
2017-02-21T16:54:22 < dongs> amp!six msut be furious for time wasted googling
2017-02-21T16:54:41 < karlp> yeah, just me wasting time really.
2017-02-21T16:55:22 < dongs> also you can tell tindie board was made in eagle
2017-02-21T16:55:26 < dongs> cuz no slots on USB holes
2017-02-21T16:55:29 < dongs> awful shit
2017-02-21T16:55:58 < dongs> or i forget what doesnt do slots, either sparkfuck or eagle
2017-02-21T16:56:36 < dongs> bed
2017-02-21T16:59:29 < karlp> dongs: heaps of cheap fabs still don't allow plated slots
2017-02-21T16:59:41 < karlp> eagle has no good way of doign plated slots no.
2017-02-21T17:00:33 < dongs> 10 for $10 c hina shit does slots
2017-02-21T17:00:35 < dongs> and anything else you want
2017-02-21T17:00:40 < dongs> its not 1996
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2017-02-21T17:38:32 < karlp> hrm, abracon and epson 3225 crystals have different separation on their pads.
2017-02-21T17:41:08 < malinus> dongs: well a 10 pcbs cost ~$10 with shipping. But that assumes your time is free :). Compared to the time spent it doesn't really matter if 10 pcbs cost $10 or $100.
2017-02-21T17:45:54 < zyp> malinus, what are you arguing against?
2017-02-21T17:46:17 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/8981a7c2b440b732617e48ddcf15b298b44e09dcc7f3822707a1a6a6632db313.png
2017-02-21T17:46:26 < karlp> http://imgur.com/a/0JhCl
2017-02-21T17:46:58 < Laurenceb> karlp: I see no big issues
2017-02-21T17:47:00 < malinus> zyp: I forgot 
2017-02-21T17:47:11 < Laurenceb> it's still going to work with either
2017-02-21T17:47:13 < karlp> yes, maths is easy, but why would use different styles.
2017-02-21T17:47:24  * karlp sighs.
2017-02-21T17:47:26 < karlp> you're missing the point.
2017-02-21T17:47:32 < karlp> but yes, good job guys. 
2017-02-21T17:47:38 < karlp> they do indeed fit the same footprint.
2017-02-21T17:47:45 < Laurenceb> compared to LSM9DS1 its just going to work
2017-02-21T17:47:47 < karlp> can you not read the text in the picture?
2017-02-21T17:48:18 < Laurenceb> you are complaining about the change in the way its displayed?
2017-02-21T17:48:32 < Laurenceb> in that case welcome to datasheets, u must be new here
2017-02-21T17:48:51 < Laurenceb> at least its self consistent, unlike many datasheets
2017-02-21T17:50:25 < zyp> I don't get why datasheets measure to pad edge, are there actually any pcb tools that wants edges and not center?
2017-02-21T17:51:40 < karlp> LeelooMinai: I'ðve seen my fair share of atrocious datasheets, I just find it odd that two virtually identical parts from the same vendor in the same family would use different styles.
2017-02-21T17:52:18 < zyp> karlp, maybe they figured out that the old style were dumb and changed it, but didn't go back and revise all old datasheets?
2017-02-21T17:53:02 < karlp> LeelooMinai: having faith in people is a good default position :) 
2017-02-21T17:53:10 < karlp> zyp: that's a good answer.
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2017-02-21T17:54:46 < zyp> I tend to trust datasheets more than 3D models
2017-02-21T18:01:48 < aandrew> yeah I really like the 3d models. I also don't trust them unless they came from the vendor's website directly
2017-02-21T18:01:56 < aandrew> I ahven't been bitten yet but i can certainly see it happening
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2017-02-21T18:04:24 < englishman> karlp: pretty much every cheap fuck fab save for oshtard supports plated slots
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2017-02-21T18:20:16 < Laurenceb> the fucking CRT is at it again https://media.8ch.net/file_store/25801a616cda567f94db9e22f9a27383911805e3bb8f9e011c3f2f61a855751d.jpg
2017-02-21T18:20:38 < Laurenceb>  > someone googles CRT and gets my thesis
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2017-02-21T18:23:24 < Laurenceb> I'm am CRT expert
2017-02-21T18:24:15 < Laurenceb> crAPillary refill time
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2017-02-21T18:44:50 < Thorn> achievement unlocked: ##c++ recommended me that I use assembly to avoid pointer aliasing
2017-02-21T18:45:20  * karlp hi5s thorn
2017-02-21T18:45:43 < Thorn> (I basically asked them how to read from the dwc_otg fifo)
2017-02-21T18:48:55 < Thorn> https://gist.github.com/pthorn/210e47cbf17a2c5730750cc5fc7fe665
2017-02-21T18:49:18 < Thorn> but there are supposed to be ISO committee members in ##c++
2017-02-21T18:52:03 < karlp> Thorn: does b.cc not work? or does it trigger warnings?
2017-02-21T18:53:18 < Thorn> I copied it from the HAL as an example implementation that I think is wrong. it seems to work but it violates strict aliasing rules which compilers mostly don't enforce afaict
2017-02-21T18:54:35 < Thorn> but they have the right to throw the whole code out per the standard
2017-02-21T18:55:03 < Thorn> (so much for the systems programming language)
2017-02-21T18:56:47 < Thorn> http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1307 and so on
2017-02-21T18:58:57 < Thorn> no, that is about two pointers of different types pointing to the same address
2017-02-21T18:59:07 < Thorn> (which is what a pointer cast does)
2017-02-21T19:00:15 < Thorn> unions, memcpy(), std::copy() are being recommended as solutions but it doesn't always work
2017-02-21T19:00:37 < Thorn> e.g. if you have a "32 bit access only" restriction (rather frequent in stm32)
2017-02-21T19:02:10 < Thorn> undefined behavior
2017-02-21T19:03:36 < Thorn> http://blog.llvm.org/2011/05/what-every-c-programmer-should-know.html
2017-02-21T19:08:25 < Thorn> It's "more or less off" by default at least at -Og I think
2017-02-21T19:09:08 < Thorn> but iirc gcc has changed it some time ago and broke a lot of code
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2017-02-21T19:09:36 < Thorn> yeah i guess they enabled it at -O2, this was the change
2017-02-21T19:09:45 < Thorn> could be wrong though
2017-02-21T19:10:07 < Thorn> I wonder what would happen if you compile the linux kernel with -fstrict-aliasing
2017-02-21T19:10:26 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/935d6020f30334ff4f2ce9105f0e4b8e4005cdd814ca02eafa95f4b1ffd8dbfd.png
2017-02-21T19:11:39 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-02-21T19:11:58 < Laurenceb> maybe he deleted it
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2017-02-21T19:21:46 < branjb> anyone know of any stm32 libraries that implement acceleration/velocity control for stepper motors?  
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2017-02-21T19:22:01 < branjb> would rather skip rolling my own if any exist, but not finding any
2017-02-21T19:23:21 < Laurenceb> I wrote my own
2017-02-21T19:24:04 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/utilities/Stepper.c
2017-02-21T19:24:37 < Laurenceb> hmmmm
2017-02-21T19:24:58 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/threads/EKF_Pressure.c
2017-02-21T19:25:06 < Laurenceb> thats the business end
2017-02-21T19:25:41 < Laurenceb> hmmm
2017-02-21T19:25:46 < Laurenceb> why would I use const?
2017-02-21T19:25:52 < Laurenceb> ok yeah I'm prob like dongs
2017-02-21T19:26:31 < Laurenceb> to put variables in flash?
2017-02-21T19:26:31 < branjb> lol
2017-02-21T19:27:44 < branjb> but that gets rid of the potential for strange and interesting things to happen
2017-02-21T19:28:05 < Laurenceb> ah ok, guess that could be useful
2017-02-21T19:28:13 < branjb> man
2017-02-21T19:28:18 < branjb> remind me never to link my githubs here
2017-02-21T19:28:30 < branjb> >Laurenceb posts what I'd consider clean code
2017-02-21T19:28:35 < branjb> >gets ripped an asshole for no const
2017-02-21T19:28:40 < Laurenceb> hehe
2017-02-21T19:29:14 < Laurenceb> yeah you'd have a bit of work to port to your application
2017-02-21T19:29:34 < Laurenceb> my code runs a linear stepper with force feedback using a strain gauge
2017-02-21T19:29:43 < branjb> linear steppers are cool
2017-02-21T19:29:53 < branjb> I'm working on a project with one at work
2017-02-21T19:30:30 < Laurenceb> the thread it passed target force and strain gauge data, and tries to position to get the desired force using acceleration limited stepping and an extended kalman filter to estimate material properties
2017-02-21T19:30:53 < Laurenceb> s/it/is
2017-02-21T19:31:04 < branjb> no acceleration control rip
2017-02-21T19:31:30 < Laurenceb> prob look at lines 335 to end
2017-02-21T19:31:51 < Steffanx> Nice copy paste code laurenceb. How i know? Too many spaces
2017-02-21T19:31:57 < branjb> lol
2017-02-21T19:32:47 < branjb> ah i see 
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2017-02-21T19:52:40 < Thorn> [semitroll] will freertos, chibi etc work of F7? it's superscalar and needs more memory barriers according to keil
2017-02-21T19:54:32 < branjb> i'm using freertos on an F7
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2017-02-21T20:39:18 < Laurenceb> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/great-meme-war-helped-donald-trump-win-now-europe-should-prepare-hidden-battle-1606288?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss-inner&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news
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2017-02-21T20:52:15 < Steffanx> Fake news
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2017-02-21T20:55:15 < Laurenceb>  ran WhiteHouse.com as a porn site
2017-02-21T20:55:19 < Laurenceb> top trollin
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2017-02-21T20:59:28 < aadamson> hahaha... did you see the eagle got (or is getting) hugs - https://twitter.com/technolomaniac/status/833002561653207040
2017-02-21T21:00:47 < BrainDamage> considering the massive price bump, they'd better be, or they'll lose a lot of customers
2017-02-21T21:01:13 < Laurenceb> damn I need to lurn something else
2017-02-21T21:01:55 < kakimir> they are saving eagle?
2017-02-21T21:01:57 < Laurenceb> kikecad or something
2017-02-21T21:02:13 < Laurenceb> kakiCAD
2017-02-21T21:02:41 < Laurenceb>  KKK-CAD
2017-02-21T21:03:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk4Ji9he4p4?t=70
2017-02-21T21:03:56 < Laurenceb> epin sign
2017-02-21T21:04:16 < aadamson> so I don't use eagle (spent too many hours behind diptrace), but I have a 7.2 version around just to look at stuff done in it... I think I heard they changed the licensing however?
2017-02-21T21:04:32 < kakimir> kicad rule
2017-02-21T21:04:51 < aadamson> since autocad bought them.... is there still a reduced pin count free release like there used to be?
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2017-02-21T21:06:45 < aadamson> Holy crap, while yes, you can still get the free version, they no longer sell a one price version only renewable licenses... THAT SUCKS is so many ways
2017-02-21T21:06:59 < aadamson> and no I can't go to kicad either, had too many bad experiences with it early on
2017-02-21T21:07:12 < Laurenceb> heh me 2
2017-02-21T21:07:56 < sync_> well, more like never let programmers design a gui
2017-02-21T21:08:05 < aadamson> I have altoids too, but it's such a huge time sync get back up to speed there, I could have the design done in diptrace :)
2017-02-21T21:10:19 < aadamson> hehe, assuming (kinda a medium assumption as it has a hardware startup issue) that my balloon (or at least one of them) is still in the air. It's been 182+ days so far - just over 2 months
2017-02-21T21:10:43 < aadamson> and if it's not, or doesn't show up again, my other one is only 3 wks behind it and it reports every day :)
2017-02-21T21:11:06 < aadamson> duh
2017-02-21T21:11:13 < aadamson> just over *6* months ^^
2017-02-21T21:12:07 < aadamson> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=5&qm=All&mc=29.90101,144.36694&q=hirfw-6
2017-02-21T21:12:11 < aadamson> the one that reports every day
2017-02-21T21:12:47 < aadamson> just about to finish it's 12th circumnavigation with over 150 days aloft (didn't look specifically)
2017-02-21T21:13:02 < sync_> Laurenceb: how will you launch from a balloon? or just wait until it pops and have some aero stabilized platform?
2017-02-21T21:13:29 < Laurenceb> aadamson: which one has been up the longest -3  ?
2017-02-21T21:13:37 < aadamson> yeah -3
2017-02-21T21:13:37 < sync_> LeelooMinai: that doesn't help if it crashes into the balloon
2017-02-21T21:13:43 < Laurenceb> sync_: the balloon is unstabilised
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2017-02-21T21:13:47 < aadamson> 8/22 vs 9/20 for -6
2017-02-21T21:14:09 < Laurenceb> sync_: balloons are pretty stable if they are designed properly
2017-02-21T21:14:27 < sync_> yes, but you cannot shoot through it
2017-02-21T21:14:32 < Laurenceb> the trick is selecting the right suspension cord length and avoiding compound pendulum
2017-02-21T21:14:36 < Laurenceb> yes you can
2017-02-21T21:14:40 < sync_> oh can you
2017-02-21T21:14:42 < sync_> hmm
2017-02-21T21:14:44 < Laurenceb> and thats exactly what you do
2017-02-21T21:14:57 < Laurenceb> its like 10µm thick
2017-02-21T21:15:03 < sync_> sure
2017-02-21T21:15:08 < sync_> but why waste dat impulse
2017-02-21T21:15:23 < Laurenceb> cuz flying around the balloon is kind of hard
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2017-02-21T21:15:32 < aadamson> yeah, custom controller, solar, battery (supercap in this case) with 2 radios, one on VHF and the other on HF
2017-02-21T21:15:52 < Laurenceb> the impulse is tiny, main possible issue is tipping the rocket over, but thats also a tiny effect if you hit fairly fast
2017-02-21T21:15:55 < aadamson> balloon is an SBS-13 from here  - scientificballoonsolutions.com/products/
2017-02-21T21:16:04 < Laurenceb> my rocket should hit at 25m/s or so
2017-02-21T21:16:10 < sync_> but you can just seperate from the balloon and have a platform that stabilizes reasonably well in the air
2017-02-21T21:16:17 < Laurenceb>  "just"
2017-02-21T21:16:37 < aadamson> LeelooMinai, not terrible, balloon was most expensive part
2017-02-21T21:16:37 < Laurenceb> and then you also lose delta v falling
2017-02-21T21:16:59 < ds2> is it the balloon that is expensive or the fill?
2017-02-21T21:17:25 < aadamson> LeelooMinai, controller went through a bunch of versions, weight or lack there of is your friend
2017-02-21T21:17:27 < BrainDamage> price of balloon and regulator + tank + piping is about the same
2017-02-21T21:17:35 < Laurenceb> sync_: with a short payload cord of around 4.5m and damping on the end, with a design to avoid compound pendulum, the payload is <1 degree of vertical >90% of the time
2017-02-21T21:17:41 < aadamson> my controller is < 1 sq in, and ~1gram in weight
2017-02-21T21:17:50 < BrainDamage> but you can recycle the regulator, while ballon is disposable
2017-02-21T21:18:24 < aadamson> yeah as I like to say, you have to be prepared to attach a $100 bill to the envelope and say goodbye
2017-02-21T21:18:34 < Laurenceb> aadamson: why is -3 so quiet?
2017-02-21T21:19:12 < ds2> what fill are you using? H2 or He?
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2017-02-21T21:19:39 < aadamson> hehe... well, there is an issue with M0, M0+'s if your SMPS, starts at 1.95v (under voltage lock out prior to that), and your processor trys to run at 1.65v
2017-02-21T21:19:55 < aadamson> Laurenceb, you can actually lock up the processor and nothing but an external reset will clear it
2017-02-21T21:20:09 < Laurenceb> ooh I didnt know that
2017-02-21T21:20:15 < Laurenceb> what about watchdog timer?
2017-02-21T21:20:20 < aadamson> that what everything prior to -6 had as an issue, and it's most pronounced in cold/solar environments
2017-02-21T21:20:38 < aadamson> WDG doesn't do squat, it's enabled, but processor is frozen somewhere prior to that
2017-02-21T21:20:46 < Laurenceb> oh ok wow
2017-02-21T21:21:23 < aadamson> I talked to a bunch of people and all of them almost to the last said they had a similar issue (on the ground no less) and had to go to an external cpu supervisor to hold the processor in reset until some volage
2017-02-21T21:21:35 < aadamson> in this case my vcc is 2.7v so I hold it to 2.3v
2017-02-21T21:21:40 < Laurenceb> ok
2017-02-21T21:22:13 < aadamson> and -6 has never shown the issue with that change
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2017-02-21T21:22:30 < aadamson> it's using just regular multi crystal cells, with NO tilt
2017-02-21T21:22:55 < aadamson> and it doesn't matter what time of the year, or where it is, it will start approx 20 mins post sunrise and run until 20 mins prior to sunset
2017-02-21T21:24:15 < aadamson> btw, I've been playing with adafruit feathers as well, they use the SAMD21 and *they* also have this startup issue... it's an M0+ core
2017-02-21T21:25:22 < aadamson>  it must be related to an extremely slow, variable, voltage ramp at startup
2017-02-21T21:25:41 < aadamson> and in the F0 that I'm using, it doesn't have any POR programmability
2017-02-21T21:25:50 < aadamson> never saw this with the L1
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2017-02-21T21:47:10 < aadamson> oops, bad link above - fixed here  (eagle with hugs) - https://twitter.com/technolomaniac/status/833002561653207040
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2017-02-21T21:48:26 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cdc_1487703174
2017-02-21T21:50:38 < englishman> aadamson: no love from -3 eh? Been waiting for it to wake up
2017-02-21T21:51:02 < aadamson> not yet
2017-02-21T21:51:09 < englishman> Next packet it sends and you'll have the google record
2017-02-21T21:51:38 < aadamson> I've seen 15 days before... gotta get to 190, but yeah, fingers crossed, with a backup plan in -6
2017-02-21T21:51:52 < aadamson> as if that weren't enough :)
2017-02-21T21:52:06 < BrainDamage> depends, some just go for records, other do genuine experiments
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2017-02-21T21:52:13 < aadamson> that's all they do, report their position, temp, voltages, etc every 2 mins on APRS and 10 mins on HF
2017-02-21T21:52:17 < BrainDamage> like collect atmospheric data or samples
2017-02-21T21:53:07 < aadamson> The problem with doing *experiments* is it requires power, and at 46k ft (14km), it's living in -60C temps
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2017-02-21T21:53:30 < aadamson> kinda hard to get power to work there... and that isn't even mentioning the weight required to carry the experiments
2017-02-21T21:53:46 < BrainDamage> yeah, yours is a record setting tracker
2017-02-21T21:53:51 < aadamson> my whole payload weight ~7gram, that everything, string, antennas, power, etc 
2017-02-21T21:54:08 < Laurenceb> gopro is like 80grams
2017-02-21T21:54:09 < BrainDamage> some did fly gopros, but not the floaters
2017-02-21T21:54:10 < aadamson> LeelooMinai, good luck with that :)
2017-02-21T21:54:13 < Laurenceb> and thats assuming it boots
2017-02-21T21:54:16 < Laurenceb> failpro
2017-02-21T21:54:39 < aadamson> If I had their money... well, you get the point
2017-02-21T21:55:41 < aadamson> it took Leo, what 84 times to get one around the world Laurenceb?
2017-02-21T21:55:56 < aadamson> 84 tries I should say, of those counted that is
2017-02-21T21:56:02 < Laurenceb> no more like 50 or so
2017-02-21T21:56:12 < aadamson> ah, yes
2017-02-21T21:56:16 < aadamson> my bad, 64 was the first
2017-02-21T21:56:36 < aadamson> or at least the most :)...
2017-02-21T21:56:48 < Laurenceb> but Leo was developing everything for the rest of us
2017-02-21T21:57:07 < Laurenceb> the envelope production was all new (or at least as an open documented process)
2017-02-21T21:57:29 < aadamson> another issue 7gram floats at 46k ft, 10grams, floats at 30k ft.  The later puts them right in aviation, thunderstorms, clouds, etc
2017-02-21T21:57:32 < Laurenceb> making the balloon envelopes
2017-02-21T21:57:48 < Laurenceb> very very hard
2017-02-21T21:58:06 < aadamson> s/10gram/100gram
2017-02-21T21:58:10 < Laurenceb> you need to temper the plastic and seal it properly
2017-02-21T21:58:31 < BrainDamage> you can't use arbitrary balloon materials, they have to withstand uv degradation, strong temp swings, etc
2017-02-21T21:58:38 < BrainDamage> and seal it well
2017-02-21T21:58:44 < Laurenceb> yeah, and have very low permiability
2017-02-21T21:58:59 < Laurenceb> not for long duration
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2017-02-21T21:59:30 < BrainDamage> for 1-off ( ascent, burst, land ) you buy
2017-02-21T21:59:45 < BrainDamage> for long range floaters, it's diy
2017-02-21T21:59:50 < aadamson> or you can buy floaters here - http://www.scientificballoonsolutions.com/products/
2017-02-21T22:00:00 < aadamson> mine are all SBS-13's
2017-02-21T22:00:32 < aadamson> btw, best way to seal is with an impulse sealer, but it's kinda hard to make one that does round corners *evenly* :)
2017-02-21T22:00:52 < aadamson> LeelooMinai, when it was first done the buy option didn't exist
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2017-02-21T22:01:05 < englishman> lol @ LeelooMinai shitting on years of pro hab development
2017-02-21T22:01:05 < BrainDamage> is it some of the #highaltitude folks?
2017-02-21T22:01:20 < aadamson> design for the envelop has existed for some time, nasa flew *tubes* way back in the 50's
2017-02-21T22:01:20 < BrainDamage> or someone unrelated?
2017-02-21T22:01:24 < englishman> why don't you just add rocket thrusters aadamson 
2017-02-21T22:01:35 < aadamson> hehe... might burn a hole in the envelop :)
2017-02-21T22:02:10 < englishman> another great reason to put LeelooMinai on ignore, greatly improves chan positivity
2017-02-21T22:03:04 < aadamson> ok, time for me to do something productive :)... fingers crossed englishman, BTW, K6RPT-11 is only 5 days younger than -3, so as of today it holds the amateur duration record.
2017-02-21T22:03:25 < englishman> whose is that?
2017-02-21T22:03:33 < aadamson> but it's flying a *BIG* envelop, at 16km - keeps it out of weather
2017-02-21T22:03:39 < aadamson> the guy who makes the SBS envelops
2017-02-21T22:03:49 < aadamson> flying my original tracker design from 2 years ago
2017-02-21T22:04:02 < englishman> nice
2017-02-21T22:06:25 < englishman> crazy how well everyone is doing now
2017-02-21T22:08:46 < Fleck> meanwhile in finn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZK3RBJ4P8I :D
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2017-02-21T22:11:14 < Steffanx> habhub does not show the entire path? Just last x days?
2017-02-21T22:11:20 < Steffanx> *hours
2017-02-21T22:11:37 < Laurenceb> there is an option to change it
2017-02-21T22:11:42 < Laurenceb> takes ages to render
2017-02-21T22:13:00 < Steffanx> ah there it is
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2017-02-21T22:17:19 < Laurenceb> send computer hackers https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bf0_1487662250
2017-02-21T22:17:45 < Steffanx> Not really. Maybe show the new people its not neccessary? 
2017-02-21T22:18:18 < Steffanx> to ignore you
2017-02-21T22:21:43 < Steffanx> But yeah, dongs and englishman should ignore people and then get over it. 
2017-02-21T22:25:32 < englishman> drama, steffan?
2017-02-21T22:25:43 < englishman> nobody needs that, this is a pro chan
2017-02-21T22:31:15 < Steffanx> Yes and you and dongs should get over it, englishman
2017-02-21T22:31:45 < englishman> chan quality is important to me
2017-02-21T22:32:03 < Steffanx> joker.
2017-02-21T22:32:13 < englishman> not in the slightest
2017-02-21T22:32:36 < englishman> this can has greatly ameliorated my stm32 skill
2017-02-21T22:33:22 < englishman> and sometimes, there are high quality chats
2017-02-21T22:33:31 < englishman> maybe the highest quality on freenode
2017-02-21T22:34:52 < englishman> these chats are often ruined, distracted or even attacked by completely absurd ranting, offtopic discussion or personal vendettas
2017-02-21T22:35:10 < Steffanx> "personal vendettas" <=
2017-02-21T22:35:13 < Steffanx> Gotcha. :P
2017-02-21T22:35:18 < englishman> plz
2017-02-21T22:35:23 < englishman> aadamson is no noob
2017-02-21T22:37:33 < BrainDamage> well, you're doing your part here in reducing the SNR no?
2017-02-21T22:37:52 < englishman> i dono
2017-02-21T22:38:00 < englishman> no stm chats at the moment
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2017-02-21T22:39:58 < BrainDamage> no, I mean when you provoke leloo with messages about being ignored, even if you ignore leloo, others don't necessarily, so it further reduces the SNR when you manage to get a reaction
2017-02-21T22:40:19 < Steffanx> ^^ that
2017-02-21T22:41:00 < englishman> yes, i will certainly refrain from ever mentioning leeloo
2017-02-21T22:41:07 < englishman> i agree it serves no purpose
2017-02-21T22:41:46 < karlp> aadamson: v7.7 of eagle was the last one yhou could get without stupid pricing.
2017-02-21T22:41:57 < karlp> v8+ is all autodesk subscription cloud accounting.
2017-02-21T22:42:42 < Steffanx> Will autodesk do something useful with it? Or isn't there any news about their future plans?
2017-02-21T22:45:50 < Thorn> autodesk killed softimage 2 years or so after buying it 
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2017-02-21T22:49:16 < malinus> LeelooMinai: the classic "Embrace, extend, and exterminate"
2017-02-21T22:49:20 < malinus> Thank you microsoft
2017-02-21T22:53:08 < karlp> Steffanx: well, all the versions since autodesk bought it that I've tried have been substantially better.
2017-02-21T22:53:14 < karlp> but I won't be continuing with it.
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2017-02-21T23:54:33 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BQycM1xl1um/ attn englishman 
2017-02-21T23:58:00 < upgrdman> finished routed my 4L pcb in altidongs, run DRC ... "ERROR : More than 500 violations detected, DRC was stopped"  ^_^
2017-02-21T23:58:33 < upgrdman> althought all 500 are just silk-to-mask and silk-to-silk bullshit
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2017-02-22T00:00:01 < zyp> so you hide the errors rather than fix the rules so you don't get false errors?
2017-02-22T00:00:10 < zyp> violations*
2017-02-22T00:00:35 < Thorn> you tweet about them and call them fake news
2017-02-22T00:01:46 < zyp> yeah, designators are a waste of area
2017-02-22T00:02:09 < karlp> LeelooMinai: re autodesk pbuying eagle, this was a case of autodesk _not having_ competition.
2017-02-22T00:02:23 < karlp> they needed it, so they're working hard on making it better and better integrated with their other tools
2017-02-22T00:02:28 < zyp> turning off the designators is usually the first thing I do after adding more components to the schematic
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2017-02-22T00:03:09 < zyp> sometimes I keep them until I've sorted out which is which of the parts
2017-02-22T00:03:59 < zyp> like, if I add several chips at once that each got dedicated decoupling caps in the schematic, I sort them before I hide the designators
2017-02-22T00:04:16 < zyp> so the parts gets the decoupling caps the schematic says they would have
2017-02-22T00:04:41 < zyp> doesn't matter for the design, of course, but if I remove a chip and related parts later, I want to remove the right decoupling cap too
2017-02-22T00:05:17 < upgrdman> when you do use designators, how small do you usually make them? 1mm tall?
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2017-02-22T00:05:50 < zyp> upgrdman, when I actually use designators, it's usually for something that ought to be labelled, like connectors or leds
2017-02-22T00:06:15 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-22T00:06:18 < zyp> and in that case, they should be as readable as possible, so if the default size isn't good enough, I go by whatever I can fit
2017-02-22T00:06:55 < upgrdman> unrelated: thanks trump! my investing in private prisons is doing quite well
2017-02-22T00:07:54 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, im not poor, that it should be easy to stay out of prison ;)
2017-02-22T00:07:59 < upgrdman> s/that/so
2017-02-22T00:08:14 < upgrdman> also, muh white privilege
2017-02-22T00:08:56 < upgrdman> lol, no
2017-02-22T00:09:00 < upgrdman> american
2017-02-22T00:10:04 < karlp> LeelooMinai: what are we looking at re original designators in that pic?
2017-02-22T00:10:13 < karlp> it's all blurry?
2017-02-22T00:10:35 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, what font did you use for the XTAG part (white rectangle with subtracted text)
2017-02-22T00:15:32 < upgrdman> neat, thanks
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2017-02-22T00:25:28 < karlp> order of binaritude?
2017-02-22T00:25:35 < karlp> who are you thinking of using this word with?
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2017-02-22T00:33:57 < kakimir> what is the board LeelooMinai 
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2017-02-22T01:00:37 < upgrdman> when click on a DRC failure in altidongs, how to i get altidongs to zoom in more. it's showing me like 40% of my pcb for fucks sake
2017-02-22T01:02:52 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, but theres no indicator of where i need to zoom in too
2017-02-22T01:06:53 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: have you yet used it for anything?
2017-02-22T01:08:07 < kakimir> what you plan to?
2017-02-22T01:11:38 < kakimir> what is word "intrigue" imperfect form?
2017-02-22T01:12:00 < kakimir> meaning -ing
2017-02-22T01:12:03 < kakimir> form
2017-02-22T01:12:37 < kakimir> intriguing?
2017-02-22T01:12:53 < kakimir> let me google autocorrect it for myself
2017-02-22T01:13:05 < BrainDamage> intriguing 
2017-02-22T01:15:46 < KreAture_> gaaaaaaaaah!
2017-02-22T01:16:18 < KreAture_> I am having issues with stm32 timers and dma burst access
2017-02-22T01:16:29 < KreAture_> It is not transfering the right ammount of values to the regs
2017-02-22T01:16:51 < KreAture_> It's like it skips the first value
2017-02-22T01:22:40 < KreAture_> aha! may be my source buffer not being alighed right
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2017-02-22T01:31:33 < kakimir> cnlohr tries to connect wifi to cheapo multimeter. interesting project
2017-02-22T01:31:40 < kakimir> wireless measurements
2017-02-22T01:33:00 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-22T01:33:23 < kakimir> probs got inspiration from there
2017-02-22T01:33:58 < kakimir> he uses kelvin multimeter
2017-02-22T01:34:29 < kakimir> that is the cheapest thing made in thousands brands
2017-02-22T01:34:50 < kakimir> sub 5eur meter
2017-02-22T01:35:02 < kakimir> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZTW2FMuCL.jpg this
2017-02-22T01:36:01 < kakimir> you don't understand
2017-02-22T01:36:32 < kakimir> it's dirt cheap
2017-02-22T01:36:44 < kakimir> esp8266 costs what?
2017-02-22T01:37:24 < kakimir> quantity over quality
2017-02-22T01:37:31 < BrainDamage> nothing wrong with cheap shit if you know the limitations, it's not as universal, but it's still "good enough" for several things
2017-02-22T01:38:37 < BrainDamage> and cheap shit actually fills a nice niche when you're experimenting because you're not as afraid to break things or to dedicate a whole unit for a single task
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2017-02-22T01:40:01 < BrainDamage> I did preface "if you know the limitations"
2017-02-22T01:42:28 < kakimir> some say only 300V
2017-02-22T01:42:35 < kakimir> some say 600V
2017-02-22T01:42:58 < kakimir> I wouldn't go beyond 300V
2017-02-22T01:48:43 < kakimir> you pull off the probes and solder them leads directly where you need them
2017-02-22T01:53:10 < kakimir> just crimp them or something then
2017-02-22T01:53:44 < kakimir> and no.. those are copper at least in 90s model
2017-02-22T01:53:56 < kakimir> thin copper but copper anyhow
2017-02-22T01:57:07 < sync_> I always wanted to make a cat tester for multimeters, but eh
2017-02-22T01:57:14 < sync_> would be fun to blow some cheapies up
2017-02-22T01:58:01 < sync_> only if they torment me
2017-02-22T02:00:57 < sync_> he did not test the cat rating of them
2017-02-22T02:03:12 < sync_> that is ok
2017-02-22T02:03:22 < sync_> if it doesn't harm the user
2017-02-22T02:03:34 < KreAture_> solved it!
2017-02-22T02:04:21 < KreAture_> Guys in case you didn't know, ANY read access to the DMA burst register of a timer will increment the burst address counter
2017-02-22T02:04:23 < sync_> yes they are called hrc
2017-02-22T02:04:29 < KreAture_> That includes the debugger!
2017-02-22T02:04:37 < KreAture_> wtf!
2017-02-22T02:05:41 < aandrew> <3 my Fluke meters
2017-02-22T02:05:57 < aandrew> got an 87-III and a 79-III
2017-02-22T02:06:14 < aandrew> oh and an ancient benchtop 8842A
2017-02-22T02:07:26 < sync_> yeah I need to swag up my game multimeter wise
2017-02-22T02:09:04 < sync_> well, I have 4 34401a
2017-02-22T02:09:50 < sync_> but they are not portable
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2017-02-22T02:22:55 < aandrew> heh
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2017-02-22T02:49:58 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-02-22T02:50:36 < Laurenceb_> sync_: turns out I screwed up my analysis of my nylon rocket spin thing
2017-02-22T02:50:58 < Laurenceb_> looks like it is probably good enough
2017-02-22T02:54:00 < Laurenceb_> prob doesnt need graphite or anything
2017-02-22T02:55:11 < sync_> try it
2017-02-22T02:55:24 < BrainDamage> translation: laurenceb looked up the machining bill quote
2017-02-22T02:55:27 < sync_> doesn't seem to be very hard to test
2017-02-22T02:55:28 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-02-22T02:55:34 < Laurenceb_> well the test failed
2017-02-22T02:55:41 < sync_> ball bearing test fixture and then just measure speed
2017-02-22T02:55:49 < sync_> J is known so pff
2017-02-22T02:55:55 < Laurenceb_> as the exhaust condensed onto the inside of the tube
2017-02-22T02:56:00 < Laurenceb_> and jammed the rocket inside
2017-02-22T02:56:09 < Laurenceb_> its like an epoxy coating :-/
2017-02-22T02:56:21 < Laurenceb_> lul that might just work, clamp the rocket in some bearings
2017-02-22T02:56:25 < sync_> just try the rotating stage instead of actually just firing it
2017-02-22T02:56:28 < sync_> ofc
2017-02-22T02:57:11 < Laurenceb_> you mean for testing the mechanical fuse? thats just simple newtonian machanics
2017-02-22T02:57:22 < Laurenceb_> I can simulate it in cascade
2017-02-22T02:58:03 < BrainDamage> since the motors are cheap and the print should be ok prices, you could probably just do multiple tests
2017-02-22T02:58:18 < Laurenceb_> the exhaust from this thing is basically vapour phase epoxy :S
2017-02-22T02:58:26 < Laurenceb_> yeah each test costs <2$
2017-02-22T02:59:40 < BrainDamage> do they use the epoxy as binder or as main propellant?
2017-02-22T03:01:22 < sync_> no Laurenceb_, instead of actually firing the rocket I'd fire the assembly dry in some bearings
2017-02-22T03:01:39 < sync_> to get an idea if the torque is enough
2017-02-22T03:01:59 < sync_> and try different designs
2017-02-22T03:02:19 < BrainDamage> flip it and glue/bolt the head to a bearing to a large surface?
2017-02-22T03:03:05 < sync_> well I would probably turn a body that simulates the polar inertia of the rocket and just press that into a bearing
2017-02-22T03:03:12 < sync_> and then fire some shots
2017-02-22T03:03:28 < sync_> the only thing that you have to figure out is the friction of the bearing
2017-02-22T03:03:43 < sync_> but you can do that by looking at the speed vs time
2017-02-22T03:03:48 < sync_> as the inertia is known
2017-02-22T03:04:24 < BrainDamage> since he knows the rotation speed he can just test it separately with a motor
2017-02-22T03:04:35 < sync_> firing the rocket, yes
2017-02-22T03:04:43 < sync_> but not the spinup system
2017-02-22T03:04:49 < sync_> that is also rocket motor driven :P
2017-02-22T03:04:51 < BrainDamage> I meant an electric moor
2017-02-22T03:05:18 < BrainDamage> apply torque with electric motor and measure the friction
2017-02-22T03:05:19 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: I think the residue is a mixture or alkaline metal oxides and salts
2017-02-22T03:05:24 < sync_> I wonder how bad it would be to fire one of the motors indoors
2017-02-22T03:05:40 < sync_> sure BrainDamage, but you can do it with a string
2017-02-22T03:05:43 < Laurenceb_> this is going from simulating the patent for the motor in rocket isp sim code
2017-02-22T03:06:49 < BrainDamage> ah that sounds pretty close to actual space agencies boosters
2017-02-22T03:06:56 < Laurenceb_> sync_: very bad to fire one inside, the exhaust is bad smelling and according to sim code contains CO and unburned H2 (although that prob mostly burns off in the air))
2017-02-22T03:07:12 < Laurenceb_> *mixture of
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2017-02-22T03:07:44 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: the propellant is based of some low smoke military stuff
2017-02-22T03:08:26 < Laurenceb_> its much easier to ignite than APCP, lower ISP, but exhaust is just a "bit smokey" rather than full of abrasive alu oxide dust
2017-02-22T03:09:06 < Laurenceb_> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W8cRnITXWtY/maxresdefault.jpg
2017-02-22T03:10:36 < Laurenceb_> sync_: I'm too lazy to set up tons of tests... so next plan is launching from an open ended tube, rather than one with the bottom sealed
2017-02-22T03:10:50 < sync_> and then you complain about failure
2017-02-22T03:11:30 < Laurenceb_> theres little extra to go wrong, only a jam inside the tube which would be a useful finding in itself
2017-02-22T03:11:58 < sync_> just run some tests boi
2017-02-22T03:12:14 < Laurenceb_> yeah when the weather improves..
2017-02-22T03:12:36 < Laurenceb_> I hate this gopro, need a power cycling button that reboots it until it actually mounts the card
2017-02-22T03:13:00 < BrainDamage> too bad you're not tampering with the motor, I'd love to see some videos of explosions :p
2017-02-22T03:13:03 < Laurenceb_> something is badly wrong with the fat drivers they use for their embedded lunix
2017-02-22T03:13:23 < Laurenceb_> well I managed to detonate an Estes motor in the previous prototype
2017-02-22T03:13:37 < emeb> #failuretolaunch
2017-02-22T03:13:39 < Laurenceb_> turns out they have a jerk limit above which they go boom
2017-02-22T03:13:59  * emeb loves the term "jerk"
2017-02-22T03:14:20 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/ScaredPartialDobermanpinscher the explosion at the end if the remaining propellant detonating
2017-02-22T03:14:24 < Laurenceb_> *is the
2017-02-22T03:15:27 < Laurenceb_> mechanical fuse unclips the spin motor at 300hz, and it sees something like 10^9G/s jerk resulting in a boom
2017-02-22T03:16:58 < BrainDamage> emeb: you'll love https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absement
2017-02-22T03:17:13 < BrainDamage> see the table
2017-02-22T03:17:26 < BrainDamage> jerk crackle pop could be a cereal slogan
2017-02-22T03:18:01 < sync_> Laurenceb_: can't you just time everything in such a way that you don't need the fuse?
2017-02-22T03:19:44 < emeb> BrainDamage: awesome - did not know the rest of the derivatives.
2017-02-22T03:19:45 < Laurenceb_> maybe, I could rely on burn through, but thats not going to have the same sort of accuracy
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2017-02-22T03:20:15 < Laurenceb_> I bench tested some mechanical fuses made from copper wire and got about 1%
2017-02-22T03:20:21 < Laurenceb_> standard deviation
2017-02-22T03:26:59 < sync_> yeah, that is pretty reliable
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2017-02-22T03:31:06 < sync_> idk, I'd run some more tests on just the nozzle
2017-02-22T03:39:01 < Laurenceb_> I ran a sim of silicone rubber/ carbon black/ wood flour based ablative coating using the ablation rates from the nylon
2017-02-22T03:39:14 < Laurenceb_> its about 5 times better than nylon
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2017-02-22T03:40:49 < Laurenceb_> holy shit Yiannopolous just quit
2017-02-22T03:40:57 < Laurenceb_> the wild ride continues
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2017-02-22T03:42:57 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/67d0942aaaf56a88079e1fda0321ebb9557e558b4145477bf5104864de9e83c8.jpg
2017-02-22T03:43:29 < Laurenceb_> I got pissed with that guy in his dorm room once
2017-02-22T03:43:31 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-02-22T03:45:04 < Laurenceb_> wtf https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/19/u-s-air-force-deploys-wc-135-nuclear-sniffer-aircraft-to-uk-after-spike-of-radioactive-iodine-levels-detected-in-europe/
2017-02-22T03:45:33 < sync_> didn't you read about it already?
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2017-02-22T03:45:40 < sync_> something is leaking iodine again
2017-02-22T03:46:41 < Laurenceb_> probably Israel again
2017-02-22T03:48:38 < dongs> hello dongs
2017-02-22T03:48:47 < sync_> last time it was some medical deal in hungary iirc
2017-02-22T03:48:54 < dongs> malinus: you're trying to tell ME about time not being free? psh.
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2017-02-22T03:58:06 < englishman> dongs, fuck zeph
2017-02-22T03:58:35 < englishman> pro pasters replied to webform query in <60min and even suggested pro paste for my use case
2017-02-22T03:58:39 < englishman> with attached PDS
2017-02-22T04:07:36 < dongs> cool
2017-02-22T04:08:02 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1029808658/macchina-the-ultimate-tool-for-taking-control-of-y omg useless
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2017-02-22T04:43:09 < jadew> man... OSH park is super cheap
2017-02-22T04:43:24 < jadew> $5 for 3 small boards, delivered
2017-02-22T04:43:41 < jadew> yeah, this one is tiny, cuz it has to fit into a pipe
2017-02-22T04:43:56 < jadew> 5 cm x 1.25 cm
2017-02-22T04:44:55 < jadew> yeah, I think I could have made it smaller
2017-02-22T04:45:05 < jadew> but $5 is probably the minimum
2017-02-22T04:46:11 < jadew> that's a 4 layers board?
2017-02-22T04:46:19 < jadew> nice
2017-02-22T04:46:58 < jadew> and you're using 0402 components? :)
2017-02-22T04:47:29 < jadew> hah
2017-02-22T04:48:17 < jadew> I should get a wire bond machine and then I can probably make all my projects in 1 sq inch
2017-02-22T04:48:51 < jadew> I've used 0402's on some projects and they're a bit of a PITA IMO
2017-02-22T04:49:13 < jadew> once they flip, they're difficult to put back
2017-02-22T04:49:33 < jadew> or maybe my tweezers was not sharp enough
2017-02-22T04:49:52 < jadew> I have no problem with those
2017-02-22T04:49:59 < jadew> apply flux, heat and you're good
2017-02-22T04:50:31 < jadew> ah
2017-02-22T04:51:58 < jadew> I ordered a soldering gun :D
2017-02-22T04:52:31 < jadew> I thought I could use the one I used in my childhood but apparently I gave that one back to my dad (it was his)
2017-02-22T04:52:45 < jadew> LeelooMinai, no, the old style soldering guns
2017-02-22T04:53:22 < jadew> http://yuzeymontaj.com/3021-thickbox_default/weller-8100.jpg
2017-02-22T04:53:53 < jadew> I repaired a radio last week and they tend to have some really heavy solder joints
2017-02-22T04:54:08 < jadew> had to keep my iron on them quite a bit to melt them
2017-02-22T04:54:57 < jadew> heh, yeah, it's more of a special occasion tool
2017-02-22T04:56:03 < jadew> and I went for weller because the romanian ones aren't made anymore and the polish ones appear to be at chinese standards
2017-02-22T04:58:36 < jadew> I'm sure it will work, but I don't want to buy another one
2017-02-22T04:58:38 < jadew> ever
2017-02-22T04:58:55 < jadew> US
2017-02-22T04:58:59 < jadew> I went by weight
2017-02-22T04:59:14 < jadew> the weller is 1.3 - 1.4 kg
2017-02-22T04:59:23 < jadew> the other one was 720 g
2017-02-22T04:59:30 < jadew> the romanian one used to be 1 kg
2017-02-22T05:00:47 < jadew> no
2017-02-22T05:00:56 < jadew> ~$50
2017-02-22T05:01:28 < jadew> how do you say transformer gap in polish?
2017-02-22T05:01:41 < aandrew> 0805 is my go-to size. 0603 if need be. I have no real need for 0402 but 0201 resistors fit beautifully across differential traces for termination resistors
2017-02-22T05:02:28 < jadew> yeah
2017-02-22T05:02:31 < aandrew> heh I haven't used a real soldering gun in years
2017-02-22T05:02:40 < aandrew> they're great though when you need a lot of heat
2017-02-22T05:02:43 < jadew> the core of the transformer wasn't fitting properly, it had a gap
2017-02-22T05:02:59 < jadew> aandrew, yeah, they get hot fast
2017-02-22T05:03:00 < aandrew> the one you took a pic of is like a baby version of the one my dad has
2017-02-22T05:03:05 < aandrew> they're awesome
2017-02-22T05:03:20 < jadew> it's a 100 W version
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2017-02-22T05:05:59 < aandrew> IIRC his has two settings. half-pull trigger is ~100W and full pull trigger is 250 or 300W (this is from memory)
2017-02-22T05:06:16 < jadew> yeah, I looked for a similar one too, but couldn't find it
2017-02-22T05:08:02 < jadew> http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2160186.html
2017-02-22T05:08:41 < jadew> http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1009501.html
2017-02-22T05:09:34 < jadew> I'm curious how the weller is going to look like
2017-02-22T05:10:00 < jadew> I think there are two lines, standard and expert or something like that
2017-02-22T05:10:32 < jadew> the standard has something like 1 minute on, 4 minutes off duty cycle
2017-02-22T05:11:00 < jadew> I went for the expert one in the hope that it has a better transformer and can stay on for longer periods of time
2017-02-22T05:11:20 < aandrew> wow polish is harder to read than I thought
2017-02-22T05:11:57 < jadew> it's easy to pronounce for me
2017-02-22T05:12:20 < jadew> and some words sound the same
2017-02-22T05:12:25 < jadew> but they mean different things
2017-02-22T05:12:33 < jadew> pula for example means jump, correct?
2017-02-22T05:12:52 < jadew> LeelooMinai, correct?
2017-02-22T05:12:58 < aandrew> really
2017-02-22T05:13:02 < aandrew> it looks NOTHING like romanian
2017-02-22T05:13:05 < jadew> hmm, what does it mean?
2017-02-22T05:13:10 < jadew> aandrew, hehe
2017-02-22T05:13:10 < aandrew> pula means something quite different in romanian
2017-02-22T05:13:16 < aandrew> er no putza
2017-02-22T05:13:25 < aandrew> er put(with a tail)a
2017-02-22T05:14:19 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwASbCDvNTc
2017-02-22T05:14:23 < jadew> is this not polish?
2017-02-22T05:15:45 < jadew> oh...
2017-02-22T05:16:03 < jadew> should have looked it up, I had it as my ringtone for years
2017-02-22T05:16:07 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-02-22T05:17:47 < jadew> like 80% of that song sounds like something in romanian
2017-02-22T05:17:54 < jadew> probably
2017-02-22T05:18:09 < aandrew> man I am being invaded by boxelder beetles
2017-02-22T05:18:32 < aandrew> they're totally harmless and the way they seem to crawl up to your area and kind of look at you makes them look like they're interested in talking to you
2017-02-22T05:18:51 < aandrew> couple squirts with my isoprop and they go to sleep permanently
2017-02-22T05:19:19 < jadew> aandrew, I get invaded by them every summer
2017-02-22T05:19:37 < aandrew> this might be the case here, this is our first winter at the house
2017-02-22T05:19:48 < jadew> I trap them in a box and set them free the next day
2017-02-22T05:19:52 < jadew> sometimes I forget tho
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2017-02-22T05:20:16 < aandrew> I rarely will catch and release an insect or spider
2017-02-22T05:22:29 < jadew> they don't feel any pain
2017-02-22T05:23:31 < jadew> but I tend to release most of them, unless they're hard to catch and they're dangerous, then it's the shoe
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2017-02-22T05:47:33 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/8625103ee6754b24865ef80f95b79ddd?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=6a9b43413eae56d6737362eaff2bc093
2017-02-22T05:49:04 < aandrew> upgrdman: you're a real connoisseur
2017-02-22T05:49:22 < dongs> typical day in japan
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2017-02-22T06:05:21 < branjb> anyone put an stm32 in a project without an external xtal/oscillator?
2017-02-22T06:05:30 < dongs> yes tons of them
2017-02-22T06:05:47 < dongs> unless you need USB there';s very little reason to have external xtal
2017-02-22T06:05:57 < branjb> does the ethernet mac work without an external?
2017-02-22T06:05:58 < branjb> o
2017-02-22T06:06:01 < dongs> and even if you do, some L0/F0? whatever shit has crystalless usb
2017-02-22T06:06:30 < dongs> well, your phy will provide 25mhz clock but youmgiht as well reuse same xtal part for stm32
2017-02-22T06:06:39 < dongs> try not mounting it and see
2017-02-22T06:06:57 < branjb> basically i need a uC and ethernet phy on a board w/o any xtal
2017-02-22T06:07:03 < dongs> you will need crystal for phy
2017-02-22T06:07:07 < branjb> hmmm
2017-02-22T06:07:14 < dongs> so youdont have a choice there.
2017-02-22T06:07:25 < branjb> can an rc oscillator work for phy or not accurate enough?
2017-02-22T06:07:49 < dongs> why is crystal a problem? 25mhz can be had in 2520 package (or 1610 maybe even)
2017-02-22T06:07:52 < dongs> so size is not an issue
2017-02-22T06:08:17 < branjb> crystals don't oscillate under pressure @ 5000 ft
2017-02-22T06:08:27 < dongs> nobody has ethernet there, either
2017-02-22T06:09:13 < branjb> motor controllers inside unpressurized casings full of mineral oil does though
2017-02-22T06:10:05 < branjb> any component with an air gap (ceramic caps, xtals) don't work well
2017-02-22T06:11:23 < branjb> err
2017-02-22T06:11:27 < branjb> not ceramic caps
2017-02-22T06:11:28 < branjb> the other kind
2017-02-22T06:16:53 < aandrew> my 25MHz osc is 3.5x3.2mm IIRC
2017-02-22T06:17:01 < dongs> 3225 yeah standard size
2017-02-22T06:17:11 < dongs> but that frequency is high enough that they can be made smaller.
2017-02-22T06:17:20 < dongs> smallest mhz in 3225 without getting dumb expensive is 12mhz
2017-02-22T06:19:34 < aandrew> hm?
2017-02-22T06:19:56 < aandrew> nah, let me look it up
2017-02-22T06:20:43 < aandrew> 1253-1353-6-ND or XC1817DKR-ND or 887-1326-6-ND
2017-02-22T06:22:02 < aandrew> AVX, ECS and TXC, all are 10ppm which is what's recommended for 10/100 ethernet
2017-02-22T06:22:26 < aandrew> $1 in qty
2017-02-22T06:22:44 < aandrew> the AVX one is $0.65 in 1k
2017-02-22T06:23:56 < dongs> why would amp!six care about ethernet crystals
2017-02-22T06:24:05 < dongs> oh, its leelooman
2017-02-22T06:24:10 < dongs> hm, nope
2017-02-22T06:24:19 < aandrew> just saying 3225 isn't expensive for 25MHz
2017-02-22T06:24:38 < dongs> not at all, 2520 size stuff I got for zyp from chian was liek 15c or someshit
2017-02-22T06:24:57 < aandrew> *nods* I'm not good at sourcing from china
2017-02-22T06:25:46 < dongs> yea he got 2520 but I used 27MHz one size smaller on another board, 2016 maybe? or so size.
2017-02-22T06:28:27 < branjb> so no way to get xtal-less ethernet?
2017-02-22T06:30:23 < aandrew> you can generate rmii clk from the stm32 if you have a supporting phy
2017-02-22T06:31:10 < branjb> is it 10ppm or better?
2017-02-22T06:31:26 < aandrew> that depends on the clk src from the stm32
2017-02-22T06:31:39 < branjb> internal osc?
2017-02-22T06:31:41 < branjb> haha
2017-02-22T06:32:04 < branjb> lets see what ds says..
2017-02-22T06:34:19 < aandrew> no, not internal osc
2017-02-22T06:34:35 < aandrew> using ext osc on stm32 to feed 25/50mhz to phy
2017-02-22T06:34:39 < aandrew> instead of phy feeding stm32
2017-02-22T06:34:53 < aandrew> but if you want to do it totally crystallless (not sure why) then I doubt it
2017-02-22T06:35:38 < branjb> it's supposed to be for a board that is under pressure on a deep sea ROV, xtal oscillators don't oscillate at that pressure
2017-02-22T06:36:10 < aandrew> can you do mems osc or perhaps some other way?
2017-02-22T06:36:41 < branjb> possibly
2017-02-22T06:37:03 < branjb> afaik the only thing that has been tested and not worked has been crystal
2017-02-22T06:37:08 < aandrew> I have a hard time believing that a hermetic sealed part would have trouble under pressure
2017-02-22T06:37:14 < aandrew> but I have no experience here
2017-02-22T06:37:19 < aandrew> can you take a part on a board and test it?
2017-02-22T06:37:25 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-22T06:37:26 < aandrew> (pressure chamber)
2017-02-22T06:37:36 < aandrew> you may be worrying about a non-issue
2017-02-22T06:37:41 < branjb> i'm just making initial design decisions
2017-02-22T06:38:16 < branjb> mems osc might work, didn't think of that
2017-02-22T06:39:43 < aandrew> I'd be surprised if a regular crystal wouldn't work
2017-02-22T06:40:03 < aandrew> your electronics enclosure won't be at that pressure internally anyway, will it?
2017-02-22T06:40:12 < branjb> it will
2017-02-22T06:40:31 < branjb> it'll be in an enclosure filled with mineral oil 
2017-02-22T06:40:33 < aandrew> what are you connecting to?
2017-02-22T06:40:43 < aandrew> i.e. what's on the other side of the ethernet jack?
2017-02-22T06:42:30 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/Co2GN
2017-02-22T06:42:39 < branjb> it goes through a thick cable
2017-02-22T06:42:44 < branjb> on the left
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2017-02-22T06:44:43 < aandrew> ok so it's connecting to something on the surface
2017-02-22T06:45:12 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-22T06:45:15 < branjb> through a giant tether
2017-02-22T06:45:24 < aandrew> sounds like a long cable
2017-02-22T06:45:35 < aandrew> you might want to look at fiber instead
2017-02-22T06:45:38 < branjb> well, realistically, the motor driver goes to an onboard router inside the ROV, then from there to the surface on fiber
2017-02-22T06:45:43 < aandrew> lighter, way cheaper and probably better SI
2017-02-22T06:45:52 < aandrew> onboard router?
2017-02-22T06:45:59 < aandrew> off the shelf or something you're designing?
2017-02-22T06:46:13 < branjb> basically there is a bunch of different protocols for different actuators and they want to standardize it all to ethernet based
2017-02-22T06:46:38 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/Co2GN
2017-02-22T06:46:53 < dongs> is this a kickstarter
2017-02-22T06:46:55 < branjb> its a sponsered capstone project via company
2017-02-22T06:47:08 < aandrew> ok but the router is off the shelf or something you're designing?
2017-02-22T06:47:11 < branjb> oh
2017-02-22T06:47:13 < branjb> off the shelf
2017-02-22T06:47:23 < aandrew> why are you worrying about your oscillator then?
2017-02-22T06:47:32 < dongs> ^^^
2017-02-22T06:47:36 < aandrew> the off the shelf unit will be using a crystal, I'll put money on it
2017-02-22T06:47:45 < dongs> cuz that garbagerouter will ahve a HC49 crystal in it
2017-02-22T06:47:46 < dongs> guaranteed
2017-02-22T06:48:07 < branjb> we're redesigning the pan/tilt actuators, they are unpressurized, but the ROV internals/computer are all presurrized
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2017-02-22T06:48:37 < branjb> the idea is to control pan/tilt angles via ethernet instead of rs232
2017-02-22T06:48:49 < dongs> so to add complexity without a reason
2017-02-22T06:48:55 < branjb> basically
2017-02-22T06:49:01 < dongs> i can see switching to say RS485 to make sense, but to ethernet? no.
2017-02-22T06:49:14 < aandrew> I can't see a reason why ethernet would be better. it's shorter distance, no gain from being faster... 
2017-02-22T06:49:16 < dongs> (or canbus, or something)
2017-02-22T06:49:35 < aandrew> yeah RS485 would be an immediate thought, you don't even benefit from CAN here
2017-02-22T06:49:56 < branjb> idk, that's just what their design reqs said
2017-02-22T06:50:02 < aandrew> hell I'd still do fiber to reduce the weight of the cable
2017-02-22T06:50:07 < branjb> rs485 makes more sense to me
2017-02-22T06:50:38 < branjb> oh wait
2017-02-22T06:51:02 < branjb> the idea was to stabalize the pan/tilt camera with an IMU
2017-02-22T06:51:16 < branjb> and they wanted to push that data back via ethernet
2017-02-22T06:51:23 < branjb> but still would prob be fine on serial
2017-02-22T06:51:25 < branjb> so yeah idk
2017-02-22T06:51:28 < aandrew> sure, but that can still all be done with rs485, yeah
2017-02-22T06:51:33 < dongs> no reason to, y ou dont need imu data any faster than 1khz
2017-02-22T06:51:52 < aandrew> anyway it's midnight here, ima turn into a pumpkin if I don't get my princess ass to bed
2017-02-22T06:52:02 < branjb> k
2017-02-22T06:52:04 < dongs> dongul8
2017-02-22T07:01:10 < dongs> http://firestorage.jp/
2017-02-22T07:01:16 < dongs> what they really mean is file storage, of course
2017-02-22T07:07:24 < emeb_mac> racist stereotypes
2017-02-22T07:08:17 < dongs> pretty much
2017-02-22T07:09:33 < dongs> hongkong ulike electronic co ltd
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2017-02-22T07:12:39 < dongs> fucking msp420
2017-02-22T07:12:44 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-02-22T07:12:49 < emeb_mac> never tried those
2017-02-22T07:13:15 < dongs> i need to find a way to not use that shit
2017-02-22T07:13:38 < emeb_mac> what's forcing you?
2017-02-22T07:13:48 < emeb_mac> legacy?
2017-02-22T07:13:54 < dongs> no, this dumb customer
2017-02-22T07:14:15 < dongs> something somethign rf tags something or other. but they already haev 3 processors on this board and ONLY addiing this shit for RF
2017-02-22T07:14:38 < dongs> im guessing any 800/900mhz SPI or something shit would work just the same
2017-02-22T07:14:43 < emeb_mac> business would be so much easier without the customers
2017-02-22T07:14:47 < dongs> wihtout adding dumb420
2017-02-22T07:15:42 < emeb_mac> do some research - wave it under their nose w/ promise of cost savings
2017-02-22T07:16:45 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/CC1101 is this anything special
2017-02-22T07:16:52 < dongs> that wouldnt exist in china as a clone?
2017-02-22T07:17:31 < dongs> 2-FSK, 4-FSK, GFSK, and MSK supported as well as OOK 
2017-02-22T07:17:31 < dongs> and flexible ASK shaping
2017-02-22T07:17:40 < dongs> isnt that same shit as any other subghz junk in existence
2017-02-22T07:17:43 < emeb_mac> there's lots of similar stuff - SiLabs, etc
2017-02-22T07:17:56 < emeb_mac> Nordic
2017-02-22T07:18:05 < emeb_mac> Analog Devices
2017-02-22T07:18:10 < emeb_mac> some china stuff too
2017-02-22T07:21:36 < dongs> i dont like that shit needs all this analog garbage on output
2017-02-22T07:21:44 < dongs> 4 coils and like 6 caps
2017-02-22T07:22:41 < emeb_mac> dongs: matching is important. hard to eliminate
2017-02-22T07:22:49 < emeb_mac> eve R820 has some matching
2017-02-22T07:23:15 < dongs> yeah but I dont recall it being something annoying like this msp trash
2017-02-22T07:24:04 < emeb_mac> dongs: those parts are RX and TX - matching is more critical on TX or else the output power is reduced
2017-02-22T07:24:29 < emeb_mac> plus, combining the RX and TX to single antenna is not easy
2017-02-22T07:25:41 < ds2> Mmmmm directional couplers
2017-02-22T07:28:30 < dongs> Few external components; Completely onchip
2017-02-22T07:28:31 < dongs> frequency synthesizer, no external
2017-02-22T07:28:31 < dongs> filters or RF switch needed
2017-02-22T07:29:06 < emeb_mac> nice
2017-02-22T07:29:26 < emeb_mac> there was some china co that made this stuff too but I can't remember the name
2017-02-22T07:32:15 < dongs> hoperf? i thought they were jsut slapping silabs modules on boards.
2017-02-22T07:32:24 < emeb_mac> that's it
2017-02-22T07:32:30 < emeb_mac> maybe they are
2017-02-22T07:32:32 < dongs> donno if they had any custom stuff
2017-02-22T07:33:39 < dongs> http://www.satistronics.com/cc1101-wireless-module-for-for-arduino_p3467.html looks good
2017-02-22T07:33:57 < dongs> (for arduino)
2017-02-22T07:34:01 < emeb_mac> some semtech stuff comes up in ISM transceiver search
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2017-02-22T07:36:04 < emeb_mac> but yeah - ebayed a bunch of similar stuff a while back - haven't done anything with it yet
2017-02-22T07:43:02 < branjb> dongs we've done a bunch of tests on those hoperf lora chips, range is pretty amazing for the power cost
2017-02-22T07:43:52 < branjb> used like 20 mA for 50ms and got 1.5 mile range
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2017-02-22T07:47:37 < dongs> ya raneg isnt even a problem here
2017-02-22T07:47:55 < branjb> they leak harmonics all over though
2017-02-22T07:47:58 < dongs> apaprently the only reason tehy're even using that 430 shit is cuz this already exist shttp://www.pervasivedisplays.com/kits/adapTag
2017-02-22T07:48:01 < branjb> not even close to being FCC rated
2017-02-22T07:48:11 < dongs> and they're lazy copypasting fucks
2017-02-22T07:48:53 < branjb> dongs was it you who linked me that stepper code last night?
2017-02-22T07:49:10 < dongs> no it was probly amp!six i dont recall linking stepper shit
2017-02-22T07:49:12 < dongs> that or upgrdman 
2017-02-22T07:49:22 < dongs> < branjb> anyone know of any stm32 libraries that implement acceleration/velocity control for stepper motors?
2017-02-22T07:49:23 < branjb> oh yeah upgrdman
2017-02-22T07:49:25 < dongs> < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/utilities/Stepper.c
2017-02-22T07:49:29 < branjb> nm
2017-02-22T07:49:33 < branjb> my memory is great
2017-02-22T07:51:17 < branjb> milo on suicide watch
2017-02-22T07:51:30 < dongs> let's reduce pumping
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2017-02-22T07:55:25 < dongs> and yeah my 27mhz xtal was 2.0x1.6 size
2017-02-22T07:55:58 < emeb_mac> tiny!
2017-02-22T07:56:11 < branjb> bigger than my
2017-02-22T07:56:42 < emeb_mac> just remember - size doesn't matter
2017-02-22T07:56:54 < branjb> frequency is what matters
2017-02-22T07:59:24 < Thorn> T-1 min http://www.roscosmos.ru/317/
2017-02-22T07:59:55 < dongs> wat
2017-02-22T08:00:01 < dongs> -1 means its already up?
2017-02-22T08:00:17 < dongs> shit looks flying
2017-02-22T08:00:27 < Thorn> it is now
2017-02-22T08:00:28 < emeb_mac> you're in the future
2017-02-22T08:00:35 < dongs> why are there 2 videos
2017-02-22T08:00:55 < emeb_mac> stereo
2017-02-22T08:01:05 < dongs> no, the 2nd one is some trash on the ground
2017-02-22T08:01:07 < dongs> not going anywehre
2017-02-22T08:01:37 < dongs> lol nice telemertry
2017-02-22T08:01:57 < emeb_mac> animated with genuine Commodore 64
2017-02-22T08:02:10 < Thorn> yet another feed http://spaceflightnow.com/2017/02/20/soyuz-booster-rolled-out-to-snowy-baikonur-launch-pad/
2017-02-22T08:02:38 < dongs> another supply mission?
2017-02-22T08:02:42 < dongs> didnt spacex just floew something there?
2017-02-22T08:03:03 < emeb_mac> being in space makes you hungry
2017-02-22T08:03:23 < dongs> boith of those videos buffering like crazy
2017-02-22T08:03:24 < dongs> fucking garbage
2017-02-22T08:03:28 < dongs> the 2nd link doesdnt even load anymore
2017-02-22T08:03:48 < dongs> No webpage was found for the web address: http://tsenki.cdnvideo.ru/tsenki-live/tsenkitv.sdp/playlist.m3u8
2017-02-22T08:03:51 < dongs> HTTP ERROR 404
2017-02-22T08:03:53 < dongs> loo
2017-02-22T08:04:16 < Thorn> try nasa tv
2017-02-22T08:06:34 < dongs> ugh tehse bulslhti custom video playerts
2017-02-22T08:06:38 < dongs> why cant they just use jewtube
2017-02-22T08:06:40 < dongs> or twitch
2017-02-22T08:06:43 < dongs> or something that isnt retareded
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2017-02-22T08:36:00 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/GenuineEveryIcelandicsheepdog
2017-02-22T08:37:04 < branjb> kek
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2017-02-22T08:51:01 < branjb> wow: https://youtu.be/oCXER2BSR8o?t=26m14s
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2017-02-22T08:57:18 < ohsix> balls
2017-02-22T08:57:28 < branjb> crt: https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/utilities/Stepper.c
2017-02-22T08:57:30 < branjb> err
2017-02-22T08:57:39 < branjb> this one: https://youtu.be/oCXER2BSR8o?t=26m14s
2017-02-22T08:58:26 < ReadError> if anyone sees chatter29
2017-02-22T08:58:30 < ReadError> holla at me
2017-02-22T08:59:26 < ohsix> why
2017-02-22T08:59:39 < ohsix> go to the spam reporting channels
2017-02-22T09:12:01 < ReadError> want to get him on the LRH
2017-02-22T09:12:19 < ReadError> figure out how this man ticks
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2017-02-22T09:31:04 < munki> is there an easy way using HAL to have GPIOs as toggleable between inputs and outputs?
2017-02-22T09:31:16 < munki> or do i have to like reinit the GPIO 
2017-02-22T09:31:42 < ReadError> ohsix: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/83mKDubx/yotube7.png
2017-02-22T09:31:47 < ReadError> latest iteration 
2017-02-22T09:31:59 < ReadError> scrolled all the way up
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2017-02-22T09:32:52 < dongs> god damn are tehy turning jewtube into the same shit tehy turned google voice into
2017-02-22T09:33:01 < dongs> fucking smartphone like UI with everything oversized as fuck
2017-02-22T09:33:18 < ReadError> yea
2017-02-22T09:33:22 < dongs> fags
2017-02-22T09:33:23 < ReadError> big changes 
2017-02-22T09:33:28 < ReadError> its a mindfuck
2017-02-22T09:33:34 < dongs> google voice became completley unusable
2017-02-22T09:33:35 < ReadError> they moved shit around enough to piss you off
2017-02-22T09:33:36 < dongs> on desktop
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2017-02-22T09:34:58 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/6-86-Car-DVR-GPS-navigation-Rearview-Mirror-Camera-Android-4-4-Allwinner-A33-Dual-Lens/1182006_32658163831.html?spm=a2g01.8289357.g6b94a9.4.2tdvS1 ooooolol
2017-02-22T09:35:31 < munki> looks dank
2017-02-22T09:35:42 < dongs> how do i get this new amazing jewtube ui
2017-02-22T09:35:50 < ohsix> ReadError: looks fine olol
2017-02-22T09:35:52 < ReadError> i got thrown into some A/B
2017-02-22T09:36:02 < ReadError> didnt ask for it
2017-02-22T09:36:13 < celeron55> stop using it immediately so they think it's not good
2017-02-22T09:36:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> I have a reversing camera thingo a bit like that ohsix
2017-02-22T09:36:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> Haven't installed it.
2017-02-22T09:37:17 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/f4ILrBcX/yotube8.png
2017-02-22T09:37:21 < ReadError> thats the homepage now
2017-02-22T09:37:41 < ReadError> icons are a lot bigger
2017-02-22T09:37:42 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: android in the mirror is kind of lul
2017-02-22T09:38:13 < ohsix> would be nice with beyondpod & osmand on it
2017-02-22T09:39:17 < ReadError> woh planet earth II looks pretty tight
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2017-02-22T09:45:46 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/smd/32333839762.html ...............
2017-02-22T09:45:49 < dongs> smd
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2017-02-22T09:54:06 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Build-USB-Keyboard/
2017-02-22T09:54:07 < dongs> uh okay
2017-02-22T09:56:16 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/create-software-module-for-Raspberry/ for $11/hour? good luck
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2017-02-22T10:02:19 < upgrdman> do you fgts keep getting    Imgur is over capacity!
2017-02-22T10:02:19 < upgrdman> Sorry! We're busy running around with our hair on fire because Imgur is over capacity!
2017-02-22T10:02:23 < dongs> yes
2017-02-22T10:02:27 < upgrdman> fucking imgur being gay as fuck right now
2017-02-22T10:02:31 < dongs> but
2017-02-22T10:02:37 < dongs> just change dumb faggit link
2017-02-22T10:02:40 < dongs> to i.imgur.com/randomshit.jpg
2017-02-22T10:02:43 < dongs> and it loads
2017-02-22T10:02:53 < dongs> if you load all the imgur filth/album trash then its over capacity
2017-02-22T10:02:53 < upgrdman> LOL yes
2017-02-22T10:02:57 < dongs> but direct links tio jpg works
2017-02-22T10:03:07 < upgrdman> so just prepend i.      good to know
2017-02-22T10:03:29 < dongs> yeah depends on the link but if its likt http://imgur.com/randomfaggot
2017-02-22T10:03:30 < dongs> then it will work
2017-02-22T10:03:42 < dongs> if its /a/ or /p/ then u lose
2017-02-22T10:04:31 < upgrdman> wuts a and p
2017-02-22T10:04:54 < dongs> album and i dunno about /p but ive seen it before
2017-02-22T10:05:25 < dongs> as you can imagine i only create imgur content
2017-02-22T10:05:26 < dongs> not consume it
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2017-02-22T10:07:14 < zhivko> Hi guys!
2017-02-22T10:07:57 < zhivko> So I soldered my board with stm32m on top... and now I want to program it... what is cheapest programmer that works with OpenSTM32 eclipse ?
2017-02-22T10:09:02 < dongs> do you have a discovery board
2017-02-22T10:09:05 < dongs> that has programmer.
2017-02-22T10:09:06 < zhivko> I try scanning it with blackmagicprobe with mon swdp_scan and it works - it founds chip
2017-02-22T10:09:15 < dongs> yeah? so whats the problem
2017-02-22T10:09:21 < dongs> why not use same to program it
2017-02-22T10:09:46 < zhivko> No I dont have any discovery board but I heard they are around 10€
2017-02-22T10:09:52 < dongs> or soemthing
2017-02-22T10:09:58 < dongs> if you already haev BMP tho whats the problem
2017-02-22T10:10:02 < zhivko> I soldered 10pin jtag on my board
2017-02-22T10:10:06 < dongs> what else are you looking for
2017-02-22T10:10:27 < dongs> if you just want to flash and no debugging, uart bootlaoder works. or else  just connect bmp and use it
2017-02-22T10:10:29 < zhivko> connector (I thought I could use blackmagicprobe) - but this probe is not supported from eclipse...
2017-02-22T10:10:37 < dongs> err, sure it is
2017-02-22T10:10:40 < dongs> its just gdbserver
2017-02-22T10:11:42 < zhivko> hmm... If I issue "program chip" it starts: "C:\\Ac6\\SystemWorkbench\\plugins\\fr.ac6.mcu.externaltools.openocd.win32_1.13.0.201701261200\\tools\\openocd\\bin\\openocd.exe" -f VogaBoard.cfg -s "C:\\Users\\klemen\\Dropbox\\Voga\\EclipseStm32" -s "C:\\Ac6\\SystemWorkbench\\plugins\\fr.ac6.mcu.debug_1.12.0.201701261204\\resources\\openocd\\scripts" -c "program Debug/EclipseStm32.elf verify exit"  Open On-Chip Debugger 0.10.0-dev-00274
2017-02-22T10:11:58 < dongs> jesus, dropbox.
2017-02-22T10:12:06 < dongs> you dont need openocd, bmp IS the OCD already
2017-02-22T10:12:08 < zhivko> so openstm32 eclipse always starts openocdexe
2017-02-22T10:12:16 < dongs> you just tell eclipse to connect to it as serial gdb connection
2017-02-22T10:13:06 < zhivko> this is for debugging? I want to transfer firmware to it...
2017-02-22T10:13:13 < dongs> for anything
2017-02-22T10:13:15 < zhivko> And I don't see any option in eclipse
2017-02-22T10:13:53 < Rob235> finally decided to finish commenting and put my flight controller on github
2017-02-22T10:14:04 < Rob235> tabbing gets a little fucked though
2017-02-22T10:14:35 < Rob235> https://github.com/RJFeddeler/DexterFlightController
2017-02-22T10:14:40 < dongs> indent -kr -nut -l400 *.c
2017-02-22T10:15:15 < Rob235> what does that do
2017-02-22T10:15:37 < dongs> makes your code readable
2017-02-22T10:15:41 < Rob235> ok
2017-02-22T10:16:16 < zhivko> I have "Program chip", "erase chip" but all this commands are opening openocd.exe
2017-02-22T10:16:54 < dongs> you have to edit options in your shit to make it use bmp instead.
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2017-02-22T10:18:45 < dongs> you know for something thats suspposed to be opensores, bmp sure lacks any useful fucking docs
2017-02-22T10:18:59 < dongs> im not gonna google for you, but you can certainly use your bmp to flash and debug whatever targets it supports
2017-02-22T10:19:00 < zhivko> hmm... where the hell I find those options? :)
2017-02-22T10:19:11 < zhivko> yes I did that yesterday
2017-02-22T10:19:17 < zhivko> through gdb
2017-02-22T10:19:49 < zhivko> but would be nice if eclipse could work with it.
2017-02-22T10:20:01 < dongs> but it does
2017-02-22T10:20:24 < zhivko> otherwise - if I buy this 10€ discovery - would it allow me to use openocd.exe withopenstm32 ?
2017-02-22T10:20:25 < dongs> you just need to give it gdbcommand line that makes it connect to bmp serial port
2017-02-22T10:20:28 < dongs> and skip openocd
2017-02-22T10:20:50 < dongs> like in eclipse debugger options or whatever for program/run/whatever teh fuck
2017-02-22T10:21:09 < dongs> im sure zyp or PaulFertser or other opensauce fanatics will be awake soon to guide you thorugh this opensores filth
2017-02-22T10:25:32 < dongs> apparently you need something like arm-none-eabi-gdb -ex "target extended-remote whatevercomport:
2017-02-22T10:29:19 < upgrdman> so i never even tried the BMP that i bought, lol
2017-02-22T10:29:30 < upgrdman> but if you havent seen this, it might help a bit  https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/wiki/Getting-Started
2017-02-22T10:29:40 < dongs> i saw it, looked fucking useless
2017-02-22T10:29:48 < dongs> try searching for "using bmp with exlipse"
2017-02-22T10:29:52 < dongs> godo fucking luck
2017-02-22T10:29:56 < dongs> cuz they all love their fucking filthy CLI
2017-02-22T10:29:57 < upgrdman> lol k
2017-02-22T10:30:16 < dongs> and LUNIX
2017-02-22T10:30:18 < dongs> that fucking LUXNI
2017-02-22T10:30:45 < dongs> See this presentation, porting a basic Unix program to an embedded Cortex-M3 using libopencm3.
2017-02-22T10:30:48 < dongs> why
2017-02-22T10:31:02 < dongs> basic lunix program = scroll shit on console
2017-02-22T10:31:03 < dongs> endlessly
2017-02-22T10:31:46 < zhivko> @dongs: yes I used exactly that command line yesterday
2017-02-22T10:32:12 < dongs> yeah so go look in eclipse debug options and type same shit in there instead of starting openocd, as its no longer necessary
2017-02-22T10:32:25 < zhivko> I was able to upload firmware this way and kind a debug (CLI), although I received some timeouts...
2017-02-22T10:33:39 < zhivko> SO you think under debug options for a debugging session - not general settings...
2017-02-22T10:35:02 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-22T10:36:05 < upgrdman> anyone know if the BBB board has hardware opengl?
2017-02-22T10:36:14 < upgrdman> or is it just software emulation
2017-02-22T10:37:46 < zhivko> like this: https://goo.gl/photos/FHDmKWiSDtzVVQoR7
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2017-02-22T10:39:10 < PaulFertser> zhivko: openocd supports stlink etc. What's you question?
2017-02-22T10:40:21 < dongs> PaulFertser: his question is conecting eclipse to bmp directly
2017-02-22T10:40:59 < PaulFertser> That should work as well
2017-02-22T10:41:13 < dongs> thats what i told him but i donno where that shit would be.
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2017-02-22T11:16:28 < Thorn> I've read somewhere that modern keyboards have "more than one HID" in them, what does that mean?
2017-02-22T11:17:32 < Thorn> I don't think they were talking about a keyboard+trackball combo or something like that
2017-02-22T11:17:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> Maybe your fancy pants keyboard that's got lights and whatnot
2017-02-22T11:19:10 < Thorn> so it would have a keyboard hid + custom hid interfaces?
2017-02-22T11:19:12 < dongs> Thorn: composite device?
2017-02-22T11:19:19 < dongs> could be custom or whatever yeah
2017-02-22T11:19:32 < dongs> pretty sure you can have a composite device of same class
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2017-02-22T11:21:09 < Steffanx> Doesnt this keyboard karlp has do that?
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2017-02-22T11:21:18 < Steffanx> Das keyboard(??)
2017-02-22T11:21:28 < zhivko> sorry guys. ... I was out for few minutes...
2017-02-22T11:21:45 < dongs> Steffanx: das doesn't do anything normal keyboard hid cant do, no?
2017-02-22T11:21:52 < zhivko> Yes I want to connect openstm32 and blackmagic probe directly...
2017-02-22T11:22:12 < Steffanx> But i thought it did. For its multimedia stuff, but i might be wrong
2017-02-22T11:22:42 < zhivko> but I see openstm32 is openocd prefered... Has anybody done some customization to hw gdb debugger like bmp ?
2017-02-22T11:22:43 < dongs> Steffanx: thats normal key sequences
2017-02-22T11:22:45 < Steffanx> Zhivko: google, black magic probe eclipse
2017-02-22T11:22:52 < dongs> those 'media key' shits
2017-02-22T11:22:59 < dongs> Steffanx: don't even try
2017-02-22T11:23:11 < dongs> i *DID* that and there was ZERO INFO
2017-02-22T11:23:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> media key is nice though - they're just normal keyboard anyway aren't they?
2017-02-22T11:23:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> Maybe the Das has a hub inside it
2017-02-22T11:23:28 < Steffanx> Sure? Im sure there was a official wiki oncr
2017-02-22T11:23:30 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: it does have a hub coz there's extra ports
2017-02-22T11:23:44 < dongs> but not for media keys, thosea re just normal keyboard presses/whatever
2017-02-22T11:23:49 < Steffanx> From the guy that originally made it
2017-02-22T11:23:55 < dongs> Steffanx: i didnt see anything of value
2017-02-22T11:24:00 < dongs> its all mile-long command lines
2017-02-22T11:24:01 < dongs> in the wiki
2017-02-22T11:24:06 < zhivko> OH :) google knows it - maybe this could work: https://wiki.paparazziuav.org/wiki/RT_Paparazzi
2017-02-22T11:24:27 < dongs> NOTE: As of June 2016 and ChibiOS 3.0+ SWD debugging with Black Magic Probe doesn't work under Eclipse (you get segmentation faults). The debugging works normally in terminal (arm-none-eabi-gdb), but I suspect there is some bug in how Eclipse is handling the debugging commands.
2017-02-22T11:24:30 < zhivko> Steffanx: thanx man!
2017-02-22T11:24:34 < dongs> ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahah ahah hah ahahaha h ahah
2017-02-22T11:25:32 < dongs> and yeah
2017-02-22T11:25:47 < dongs> zhivko: on that pic you showed (https://goo.gl/photos/FHDmKWiSDtzVVQoR7 ) y ougo to 'gdb hardware debugging'
2017-02-22T11:25:55 < dongs> not ac6 stm32 debugging
2017-02-22T11:26:37 < zhivko> dongs - thanks will try that...
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2017-02-22T11:41:23 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ryanoflan/status/833763560958226432
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2017-02-22T11:42:54 < emeryth> Thorn: some gaming keyboards appear as keyboard and mouse so you can run sick macro scripts, others appear as multiple keyboards to avoid the 6 key rollover problem
2017-02-22T11:43:15 < dongs> im not buying this key rollover garbage
2017-02-22T11:43:20 < dongs> just because some holtek trash can't HID
2017-02-22T11:43:39 < dongs> i don't think there's anything in hid that prevents you from sending 9000 keydown at once.
2017-02-22T11:44:16 < ohsix> ReadError: lul dig that video @ link
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2017-02-22T11:47:36 < ohsix> i got more linuxing to do tommorow
2017-02-22T11:47:40 < ohsix> tomorrow
2017-02-22T11:47:51 < ohsix> the stuff they get up to when they do it themselves is funny
2017-02-22T11:48:06 < ohsix> they started using something called 'redo' backup, kernel and shit from 2012 and suxbad
2017-02-22T11:48:58 < ohsix> i'm getting paid to install fedora on a 128gb+ usb3 drive, and showing them how to use palimpsest ololol
2017-02-22T11:49:32 < karlp> Steffanx: my das keyboard is a usb3 3 port hub, with a plain usb keyboard attached to one port, and two external usb3 ports 
2017-02-22T11:51:10 < ohsix> too bad for that usb hid boot protocol junk huh
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2017-02-22T11:56:24 < Steffanx> Oh i thought you once mentioned it did multiple hid.
2017-02-22T12:02:22 < emeryth> dongs: classic low speed USB HID gives you only 6 keys, everything else is just different hacks around it
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2017-02-22T12:46:23  * karlp doesn't game on his pc, doesn't give a rats arse about key rollover wank
2017-02-22T12:47:31 < karlp> also, even wiki says your 6 key rollover is fucking bullshit
2017-02-22T12:47:43 < karlp> it's only if you impelemnt partial "boot mode" usb keyboard support
2017-02-22T12:47:49 < karlp> if you implement proper hid you can do as many as you want.
2017-02-22T12:48:00 < dongs> holtek rollover more like
2017-02-22T12:52:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> key rollover is important. But like, 4-5 is ok, as long as it's sensible.
2017-02-22T12:53:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> ie. don't have rollover on ANY of the modifier keys, and you'll be fine mate
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2017-02-22T12:56:41 < Steffanx> Hereby I ban 8(/2)chan crap.
2017-02-22T12:58:36 < emeryth> karlp: that's the point, normal keyboards only implement boot mode because normal users don't need anything else
2017-02-22T12:59:36 < karlp> and gaimer mode is to use a ps2 adapter, rather than demanding keyboard makers implement full hid?
2017-02-22T12:59:46 < dongs> yes
2017-02-22T13:00:03 < dongs> same people who demand killer nic isntead of intel lan
2017-02-22T13:00:05 < karlp> well, screw those hippies
2017-02-22T13:00:12 < karlp> killer nic?
2017-02-22T13:00:14 < dongs> stopped buying gigabyte mobos thanks to that
2017-02-22T13:00:28 < dongs> karlp: its some shitty atheros brand that started off as a lunix-on-chip that used to filter ur pakits
2017-02-22T13:00:35 < dongs> now its just shitty atheros lan chip + even shittier software
2017-02-22T13:00:39 < dongs> that makes your ping lower
2017-02-22T13:00:43 < dongs> (everything in "quotes" of course)
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2017-02-22T13:01:59 < karlp> wat, IGN found a _frame rate_ difference from using a killer nic?!
2017-02-22T13:02:18 < dongs> ha ha ha
2017-02-22T13:02:22 < dongs> ikr?
2017-02-22T13:02:33 < dongs> also, it does burn more cpu cycles
2017-02-22T13:02:37 < dongs> as it has no hardware offloading of any kind
2017-02-22T13:02:43 < dongs> plus everything goes through their shitty filter driver
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2017-02-22T13:02:55 < dongs> so it does use more cpu if youre copying shit at gigabit speeds
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2017-02-22T13:03:46 < BrainDamage> do they speak about video framerate or physics engine framerate? the first is absurd, the latter not
2017-02-22T13:03:51 < karlp> things i didn't need to learn today: killer nics.
2017-02-22T13:04:12 < karlp> BrainDamage: reception section here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_NIC
2017-02-22T13:04:14 < dongs> yeah i'll stick to boards that use intel
2017-02-22T13:04:19 < karlp> I'm not going any further with this.
2017-02-22T13:05:03 < dongs> karlp: wires on the way to chinagirl
2017-02-22T13:05:07 < dongs> friday to you
2017-02-22T13:06:30 < BrainDamage> huh, they do measure video fps, wtf
2017-02-22T13:07:41 < BrainDamage> rts often use lockstep sims where you're waiting for a net packet to advance sim, so ping and latency do affect the simulation, but video fps is just snake oil
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2017-02-22T13:08:08 < BrainDamage> sorry, latency and troughtput
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2017-02-22T13:09:01 < karlp> dongs: groovy thanks
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2017-02-22T13:38:02 < zhivko> I was able to connect within openstm32 elipse environment and I can debug now... :)
2017-02-22T13:38:07 < zhivko> Thank you dongs
2017-02-22T13:38:09 < dongs> cool
2017-02-22T13:38:22 < dongs> next step, upgrade to real software
2017-02-22T13:38:26 < dongs> keil + jlink pro
2017-02-22T13:38:32 < dongs> none of those opensores shit 
2017-02-22T13:39:09 < zhivko> In startup of HW debugging I used -> https://thepasteb.in/p/DRhjq5rRJVKfy
2017-02-22T13:39:20 < zhivko> how much money $$ is this professional tools ?
2017-02-22T13:39:34 < dongs> keil is free for Cortex-M0/+
2017-02-22T13:39:40 < dongs> jlink-edu is around $60 or so
2017-02-22T13:39:44 < zhivko> I have stm32f3
2017-02-22T13:39:51 < dongs> then you're li;mtied to 32k for free
2017-02-22T13:40:02 < zhivko> ehh.. dont like it...
2017-02-22T13:40:12 < zhivko> will suffer with eclipse for now...
2017-02-22T13:40:20 < zhivko> I need to see what it can do...
2017-02-22T13:42:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/wuDGmoF.png i always wonder is trace width even gonna matter when you have RF caps/coils back to back like this
2017-02-22T13:53:10 < zhivko> my code is rolling inside: HAL_ADC_PollForConversion - it never completes... is there some other simple adc read call
2017-02-22T13:55:01 < zhivko> maybe this will help :) http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/202938/stm32-adc-conversion-using-hal
2017-02-22T13:58:02 < dongs> > Googling is not helping much since very few good materials about HAL out there.
2017-02-22T13:58:05 < dongs> hes not wrong
2017-02-22T14:00:44 < dongs> is viJEWal GDB worth the money
2017-02-22T14:00:53 < dongs> i should try it sometime
2017-02-22T14:02:22 < karlp> what does "capstone project" mean? (re branjb?  is this some final year uni project or something?
2017-02-22T14:02:43 < dongs> The Capstone Project is a two-semester process in which students pursue independent research on a question or problem of their choice, engage with the scholarly debates in the relevant disciplines, and - with the guidance of a faculty mentor - produce a substantial paper that reflects a deep understanding of the topic.
2017-02-22T14:02:51 < dongs> sounds like useless wank, yeah
2017-02-22T14:03:25 < Thorn> it's how coursera makes money
2017-02-22T14:04:04 < Thorn> they break an old course into several, if you pay money for each you're eligible for a 'capstone project'. if you successfully submit that you get a certificate
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2017-02-22T14:22:20 < karlp> LeelooMinai: that cheap meter that you were shuddering over last night, they aren't actually as bad as you might think, at least not all of them.  I've had one as my home meter for ~15 years. still goes strong.
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2017-02-22T14:45:53 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/p3918.html
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2017-02-22T14:47:15 < Laurenceb> this could actually make a zano feasible
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2017-02-22T15:04:09 < Laurenceb> probably an hero'd
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2017-02-22T15:06:33 < Laurenceb> there should be an ED page on zano
2017-02-22T15:12:09 < Laurenceb> lel https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/torquing/zano-autonomous-intelligent-swarming-nano-drone
2017-02-22T15:12:09 < Laurenceb> its still there for everyone to see the stupid
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2017-02-22T15:15:13 < Laurenceb> you just need to see the photos to know its stupid
2017-02-22T15:15:32 < Laurenceb> not going to get enough lift, and that antenna is going to get fried by ESD
2017-02-22T15:17:44 < Laurenceb> Fortunately my credit card company has agreed to refund what I paid, even though the charge was 10 months ago, because once I provided them with all of the e-mails and updates from the project, they agreed that this counts as fraud
2017-02-22T15:17:48 < Laurenceb> lelling
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2017-02-22T15:20:07 < Laurenceb> only takes 5s of looking at the photo to see it was bunk
2017-02-22T15:21:05 < Laurenceb> wow there is even wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zano_%28drone%29
2017-02-22T15:26:18 < Laurenceb> try getting a mirror?
2017-02-22T15:28:42 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/f18b2f7de433d1ad5daa334db39b3a89201009378435d1438801e9e5c1ff95fd.png
2017-02-22T15:29:08 < Laurenceb> I'm b& again
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2017-02-22T15:42:53 < englishman> On 12 January 2017, around 4AM GMT, Lily sent an email to all their customers notifying them that the camera could not be produced and they would receive a refund. The company closed owing $34 million.
2017-02-22T15:43:09 < englishman> that's quite the hole they dug for themselves
2017-02-22T15:49:31 < englishman> http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2017/02/01/dronemaker-lily-robotics.html
2017-02-22T15:49:39 < englishman> bizjournals.com sounds reliable as fuck
2017-02-22T15:50:26 < englishman> “I am worried that a lens geek could study our images up close and detect the unique GoPro lens footprint," Lily CEO Antoine Balaresque wrote in an email to the filmmaker who made the film,
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2017-02-22T15:59:15 < englishman> is that an australian wild pig
2017-02-22T16:07:39 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/NNPOoLd.jpg
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2017-02-22T16:42:54 < emeryth> use hot vape wire
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2017-02-22T16:48:16 < karlp> hot wire is _the_ way for cutting foam.
2017-02-22T16:48:25 < karlp> cutting witha  saw blade will be hacky as shit.
2017-02-22T16:49:30 < karlp> a serrated long meat knife is == saw for my wording :)
2017-02-22T16:49:40 < karlp> I wasn't thinking you were going to use a chainsaw.
2017-02-22T16:49:52 < karlp> all the more reason to use hotwire.
2017-02-22T16:50:15 < karlp> if you're going to cut, use a straight blade, not serrated
2017-02-22T16:50:28 < karlp> imagine it's a big slab of meat, 
2017-02-22T16:50:35 < karlp> a whale if you will.
2017-02-22T16:51:00 < karlp> I'm 99% sure you'll get a mess with a serrated blade. use a straight blade that's actually sharp.
2017-02-22T16:54:16 < emeryth> just watch some sushi or butchering videos on youtube
2017-02-22T16:57:09 < karlp> LeelooMinai: this is why you use a hot wire cutter.
2017-02-22T16:57:45 < karlp> yeah, lift and cut and lift and cut, but cutting a mattress with a knife is an... interesting choice of how to use your time vs resources :)
2017-02-22T16:59:58 < karlp> you can also buy a different matteress :)
2017-02-22T17:01:09 < Thorn> wtf happened to the 401c discovery
2017-02-22T17:01:19 < Thorn> it disappeared completely from st.com, digikey says obsolete
2017-02-22T17:02:09 < Thorn> the f401 line itself doesn't seem to be obsolete
2017-02-22T17:05:53 < kakimir> I need some really thin wires
2017-02-22T17:06:07 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-22T17:06:37 < kakimir> sounds good but can you recommend any ebay ones or ones I can get from mouser?
2017-02-22T17:06:47 < kakimir> I hate those
2017-02-22T17:07:03 < kakimir> first sell me acid that melts it off
2017-02-22T17:08:35 < kakimir> I didn't mean that thin
2017-02-22T17:08:42 < kakimir> plastic isolated
2017-02-22T17:09:10 < kakimir> and multistrand
2017-02-22T17:09:44 < kakimir> what you see inside commercial appliances as wiring to buttons and such
2017-02-22T17:10:05 < kakimir> they don't bother to use more copper they need to
2017-02-22T17:10:32 < kakimir> I need such for flexibility and small room when building stuff
2017-02-22T17:10:42 < kakimir> no
2017-02-22T17:12:54 < BrainDamage> you just need a C frame to tense the wire between and CC mode for the supply
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2017-02-22T17:15:46 < Steffann> Flame thrower and a large knife :)
2017-02-22T17:16:01 < BrainDamage> you're overcomplicating thins, take a piece of foam and just adjust current until you have a clean cut
2017-02-22T17:16:13 < karlp> I think LeelooMinai only has the one piece though.
2017-02-22T17:17:03 < Steffann> Whats the plan anyway?
2017-02-22T17:17:29 < Steffann> Yes, but why.
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2017-02-22T17:30:24 < karlp> nicrhome wire is what they normally use iirc?
2017-02-22T17:36:03 < englishman> didnt i post the pro-est foamcutting video like last week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9GTYsNBiaE
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2017-02-22T17:39:58 < englishman> moin tektu
2017-02-22T17:41:34 < Ecco> hi
2017-02-22T17:43:02 < Tectu> Guten Abend
2017-02-22T17:43:04 < Ecco> :)
2017-02-22T17:44:10 < Ecco> I know some of you guys have already assembled quite a bunch of STM32 boards. Do you guys test the sleep power consumtion of each device?
2017-02-22T17:44:42 < Ecco> I mean, a bad capacitor can happen, and the device could seem to be working correctly apart from a terribly high power usage
2017-02-22T17:44:51 < Ecco> For every single device?
2017-02-22T17:44:55 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-Round-SWG-Wire-Thickness-Measurer-Tester-Ruler-Gauge-Diameter-Tool-New-/201771193637 do I need this?
2017-02-22T17:44:57 < Ecco> With an ammeter?
2017-02-22T17:45:50 < karlp> Ecco: if it's a product where it's sleeping, of course you would test current consumption as part of the testing...
2017-02-22T17:46:18 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: mind sharing a link.
2017-02-22T17:46:19 < Ecco> ?
2017-02-22T17:46:28 < Ecco> karlp: Yeah, that's what I thought
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2017-02-22T17:47:33 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: Oh wow, looks neat
2017-02-22T17:47:41 < Ecco> It can only source 200mA though
2017-02-22T17:47:45 < Ecco> Great
2017-02-22T17:47:53 < Ecco> and can serve as an automated test bench
2017-02-22T17:48:03 < Ecco> Indeed
2017-02-22T17:48:09 < kakimir> apparently one thing I'm looking for is "wire wrapping cable"
2017-02-22T17:48:20 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: Did you measure sleep current with that thing?
2017-02-22T17:48:26 < Ecco> (in the uA range)
2017-02-22T17:48:50 < Ecco> It sais 16-bit resolution. Assuming Imax is 200mA, that gibes 200mA/2^16 step
2017-02-22T17:49:08 < kakimir> it's not multistrand but I'm lacking solid core ones too
2017-02-22T17:49:32 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: Theoretically it has a 3uA resolution
2017-02-22T17:49:53 < Ecco> Note that I don't really need the super fast sampling
2017-02-22T17:50:24 < Ecco> Indeed
2017-02-22T17:50:39 < Ecco> Can it output controlled voltage?
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2017-02-22T17:51:13 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/B-30-1000-250M-30-AWG-8-Wire-Colored-Insulation-Test-Wrapping-Copper-Cable-/232059592312
2017-02-22T17:51:20 < zhivko> in Linux ma stm32f3 board enumerates as
2017-02-22T17:51:26 < Ecco> SMU ?
2017-02-22T17:51:41 < zhivko> https://thepasteb.in/p/3lh7qpA4Gw7F1
2017-02-22T17:51:42 < karlp> 0.1A LeelooMinai ? surely it can do better than that?
2017-02-22T17:51:44 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: It definitely looks like what I need. Thanks a lot for this
2017-02-22T17:51:52 < karlp> looks pretty nice if it's only $40
2017-02-22T17:52:15 < zhivko> So I guess its windoze problem when it cannot enumerate stm32f3 ?
2017-02-22T17:52:26 < zhivko> Anybody had same problem ?
2017-02-22T17:52:44 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: Does it come with an enclosure as pictured, or is it only the PCB?
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2017-02-22T17:52:57 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: Mind digging up that picture?
2017-02-22T17:53:17 < Ecco> great
2017-02-22T17:53:36 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: useful software+ what has?
2017-02-22T17:53:36 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-02-22T17:54:26 < zhivko> what baud rate should I setup on linux to read from stm32? I connected it via usb... ?
2017-02-22T17:55:30 < kakimir> I have not talked about any software latelly LeelooMinai 
2017-02-22T17:55:43 < kakimir> what you are referring to?
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2017-02-22T17:59:14 < englishman> zhivko: you need a windows cdc driver from ST for the default vid/pid
2017-02-22T17:59:34 < englishman> you use whatever baudrate that is suitable for your application
2017-02-22T18:01:00 < zhivko> I have code generated from cubemx for usb that runs on micro
2017-02-22T18:01:09 < zhivko> I am not sure what baud rate it sets...
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2017-02-22T18:01:35 < zhivko> Now I want to listen for printf stream sent from micro - on linux...
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2017-02-22T18:04:42 < zhivko> englishman: used: https://my.st.com/content/my_st_com/en/products/development-tools/software-development-tools/stm32-software-development-tools/stm32-utilities/stsw-stm32102.license=1487779357174.html this is official driver
2017-02-22T18:04:49 < zhivko> that gives me that error
2017-02-22T18:05:03 < zhivko> linux just recognizes it
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2017-02-22T18:07:03 < englishman> yeah that looks right
2017-02-22T18:07:12 < englishman> what's the error
2017-02-22T18:08:15 < zhivko> "The specified I/O operation on %hs was not completed before the time-out period expired."
2017-02-22T18:08:34 < zhivko> I see this in windows devic emanager (yellow exclamation mark)
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2017-02-22T18:10:19 < englishman> and is it working on lunix
2017-02-22T18:10:50 < englishman> could be an error that windows tells you about where lunix just stays quiet
2017-02-22T18:11:38 < zhivko> leeloominai: No this driver is signed by stm32
2017-02-22T18:12:27 < zhivko> I used puttye on linux and I see some stream of characters is comming however some nonreadable characters
2017-02-22T18:12:39 < zhivko> yes
2017-02-22T18:12:50 < zhivko> already did that..
2017-02-22T18:12:57 < zhivko> with not resolution
2017-02-22T18:13:01 < zhivko> with no resolution
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2017-02-22T18:13:18 < zhivko> what is default baud rate if I use cubemx project ?
2017-02-22T18:13:50 < zhivko> if I miss baud rate weird characters are normal
2017-02-22T18:13:59 < zhivko> so what is default ?
2017-02-22T18:15:44 < zhivko> it could be  problem... http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/159725/stm32-virtual-com-port-baud-rate but need to check code  - now I am switching booting between windoze and linux - its very anoying...
2017-02-22T18:16:10 < zhivko> it woud be nic eif windows cdc virtual com port would work :(
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2017-02-22T18:17:29 < zhivko> my project is here by the way: https://github.com/zhivko/EclipseStm32/tree/master/Src
2017-02-22T18:18:27 < zhivko> need to reboot ... brb...
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2017-02-22T18:27:49 < zhivko> hello guys
2017-02-22T18:27:53 < zhivko> you wont belive
2017-02-22T18:27:58 < zhivko> after restarting windows
2017-02-22T18:28:21 < zhivko> No more error on STmicroelectronics virtual com port
2017-02-22T18:28:49 < zhivko> BUT!
2017-02-22T18:29:03 < zhivko> I cannot open this COM7 port via putty...
2017-02-22T18:29:07 < zhivko> :(
2017-02-22T18:31:11 < zhivko> Oh now i pull it in out few times - I can open it in putty :) again weird characters
2017-02-22T18:31:32 < zhivko> so what baud rate is it that I need to set ?
2017-02-22T18:33:45 < karlp> windows. reboot fixed everything :)
2017-02-22T18:35:09 < zhivko> :) oh now I am getting something ... making progress .. slowly but... :)
2017-02-22T18:35:24 < zhivko> no I did not change my cable
2017-02-22T18:35:39 < zhivko> changed code for sending characters - added memcpy
2017-02-22T18:37:34 < zhivko> and I used baud 115200
2017-02-22T18:40:18 < aandrew> what do you mean, more sophisticated ways? I still log that way
2017-02-22T18:40:31 < aandrew> one of the first things I bring up is a FIFO and UART
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2017-02-22T18:54:37 < karlp> aandrew: why not SWO for your traceing? why still fifo+uart?
2017-02-22T18:54:54 < aandrew> karlp: just haven't migrated to it really
2017-02-22T18:55:36 < karlp> only helps for cm3+ of course ;)
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2017-02-22T19:10:47 < Ecco> If I want to send commands to an STM32 over a wire, should I use SPI or UART?
2017-02-22T19:10:58 < Ecco> (and also retrieve command results)
2017-02-22T19:11:04 < karlp> or usb
2017-02-22T19:11:19 < Thorn> I vote CAN
2017-02-22T19:11:25 < Ecco> well wouldn't USB be wayyyy too complicated?
2017-02-22T19:12:23 < Rob235> blah
2017-02-22T19:12:59 < Thorn> also none of those fit. if you only have 1 wire you need 1-wire
2017-02-22T19:13:43 < Ecco> oh, sorry
2017-02-22T19:13:49 < Ecco> I didn't mean a wire as a single wire
2017-02-22T19:13:52 < Rob235> whats up LeelooMinai 
2017-02-22T19:15:01 < Thorn> wire length? required throughput? message size/format?
2017-02-22T19:15:30 < Ecco> Wire length = 2 meters ? Throughtput : pathetic, a few bytes/sec, message site/format = I have no idea
2017-02-22T19:15:36 < Ecco> I think I'm going to go for SPI
2017-02-22T19:15:38 < Ecco> which is dead simple
2017-02-22T19:16:48 < Ecco> Is there anything that would make UART more convenient ?
2017-02-22T19:18:49 < karlp> the fact that the tools for reading it are more readily available on average pcs?
2017-02-22T19:21:55 < englishman> no required clock or select lines
2017-02-22T19:22:25 < englishman> uart is rather simple
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2017-02-22T22:08:11 < ohsix> ReadError: in google now test that has a typo in it
2017-02-22T22:11:42 < ReadError> ?
2017-02-22T22:12:07 < ohsix> Entertainmen
2017-02-22T22:25:22 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4u5VxzW8AQEu3o.jpg:large
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2017-02-22T22:32:43 < ohsix> http://www.oregoncatvideofestival.com/ lul
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2017-02-22T22:49:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTLTXDHrgtw cannuck music time
2017-02-22T22:50:04 < ohsix> is that the sounds of moose
2017-02-22T22:53:16 < kakimir> my friend described sound leaking from my headphones as "terrible whining"
2017-02-22T22:54:19 < kakimir> link again
2017-02-22T22:55:40 < kakimir> you linked it.. you know
2017-02-22T22:56:38 < kakimir> you say it's dance
2017-02-22T22:56:45 < kakimir> and growl?
2017-02-22T22:57:11 < kakimir> sounds expermental
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2017-02-22T23:09:13 < kakimir> it's what I meant
2017-02-22T23:11:15 < kakimir> and modern dance
2017-02-22T23:11:17 < kakimir> video
2017-02-22T23:11:56 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfbl-PgJIa0 I'm already in related videos
2017-02-22T23:16:32 < Steffanx> Which one is you kakimir?
2017-02-22T23:17:56 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-22T23:18:09 < kakimir> all my cousins
2017-02-22T23:18:27 < kakimir> and borthers
2017-02-22T23:18:31 < kakimir> brothers*
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2017-02-22T23:19:38 < kakimir> what is that thing called?
2017-02-22T23:19:49 < kakimir> circle thing
2017-02-22T23:24:31 < kakimir> link high energy songs
2017-02-22T23:24:50 < kakimir> I wanna feel the power
2017-02-22T23:25:06 < kakimir> po-wah
2017-02-22T23:26:54 < Steffanx> Argh. Stop it.
2017-02-22T23:27:16 < Steffanx> no.
2017-02-22T23:27:29 < Fleck> ;p
2017-02-22T23:27:48 < Steffanx> no.
2017-02-22T23:28:02 < Steffanx> Im from one of the countries were Happy hardcore was a thing.
2017-02-22T23:28:21 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: demoscene?
2017-02-22T23:28:40 < Steffanx> Stroopwaffles..
2017-02-22T23:29:09 < kakimir> how is stroopwaffles business going Steffanx ?
2017-02-22T23:29:34 < Steffanx> It's not going. 
2017-02-22T23:29:51 < Steffanx> I did buy a bunch to send to Tectu ( and/or englishman )
2017-02-22T23:30:48 < Steffanx> they
2017-02-22T23:30:49 < Steffanx> ?
2017-02-22T23:31:10 < Steffanx> They might be right.
2017-02-22T23:33:12 < Steffanx> Doesn't everyone in ##stm32 know by now stroopwafels are dutch?
2017-02-22T23:38:12 < Steffanx> Better get back to that. Much better than being in the basement all the time ;)
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2017-02-22T23:42:34 < kakimir> no
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2017-02-22T23:53:21 < kakimir> is there a shorcut for converting selected text between uppercase and lowercase?
2017-02-22T23:53:24 < kakimir> generally
2017-02-22T23:53:27 < kakimir> or at all
2017-02-22T23:53:37 < kakimir> selected - not inputed
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2017-02-23T00:00:43 < Steffanx> Depends on the tool youre using..
2017-02-23T00:02:27 < kakimir> ctrl-shift-x did the thing
2017-02-23T00:03:19 < kakimir> I think I have spend hours doing just what that shortcut did
2017-02-23T00:03:32 < kakimir> rewriting comments to match case
2017-02-23T00:03:50 < kakimir> ctrl-shift-y does another direction
2017-02-23T00:04:20 < kakimir> also shift-f3 turns your word document or email into rAGE!
2017-02-23T00:19:05 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUk10ekVud1V2bG8/view?usp=sharing there was a problem with the beer factory thermostat
2017-02-23T00:19:30 < kakimir> upper value is the current read value
2017-02-23T00:19:42 < kakimir> lower value is set value
2017-02-23T00:20:04 < kakimir> apparently it can't go below ambient temperature
2017-02-23T00:20:43 < kakimir> read from compensation thermometer around the terminals of thermocouple
2017-02-23T00:21:01 < kakimir> because voltage goes negative in thermometer
2017-02-23T00:21:10 < kakimir> *thermocouple
2017-02-23T00:22:44 < kakimir> could not anticipate it
2017-02-23T00:23:19 < kakimir> such deficiency
2017-02-23T00:24:29 < kakimir> in industrial installation such thermostat could easily have ambient temperature of.. 45C
2017-02-23T00:26:31 < KreAture_> :)
2017-02-23T00:27:08 < kakimir> and needed temperature of something under that
2017-02-23T00:33:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMjA4UGN0b1dEY0k/view?usp=sharing can I bundle command number and it's string somehow with x macro?
2017-02-23T00:34:35 < kakimir> actual thing
2017-02-23T00:34:42 < kakimir> very useful
2017-02-23T00:34:51 < kakimir> "X Macro"
2017-02-23T00:34:55 < kakimir> google it
2017-02-23T00:36:43 < kakimir> but it can't create macros but only..
2017-02-23T00:36:48 < kakimir> code
2017-02-23T00:37:03 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVF8yZ21hRU5PdVE/view?usp=sharing another thing
2017-02-23T00:37:43 < kakimir> no way
2017-02-23T00:39:01 < kakimir> I need to avoid me making errors in it
2017-02-23T00:39:09 < kakimir> by having some level of automation
2017-02-23T00:39:15 < kakimir> as I fiddle with it
2017-02-23T00:39:58 < kakimir> I can not read that
2017-02-23T00:40:28 < kakimir> if I need C++ I pay someone
2017-02-23T00:40:50 < kakimir> life is short
2017-02-23T00:41:52 < kakimir> I remove number macros completelly
2017-02-23T00:43:20 < kakimir> then X macro initialize function to have running matchin index and command number per every string macro
2017-02-23T00:46:22 < kakimir> I can get even command number with x macro but I rather not have manual command numbers
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2017-02-23T01:07:14 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: what is the language anyways?
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2017-02-23T01:10:17 < upgrdman> dongs, you around? or any other legit pro that has had assembly houses make and populate PCBs
2017-02-23T01:11:52 < upgrdman> person that has had assembly houses make and populate PCBs
2017-02-23T01:11:58 < upgrdman> and that uses altidongs
2017-02-23T01:12:07 < kakimir> I need a mic
2017-02-23T01:12:12 < kakimir> recording one probs
2017-02-23T01:12:34 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, better than more IRCers
2017-02-23T01:12:54 < upgrdman> most of the fucks on IRC can't even afford to have the chinese assemble their PCBs
2017-02-23T01:13:43 < upgrdman> theyre too busy faggoting about which is better: eagle or kicad
2017-02-23T01:14:16 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, jesus fuck, im just trolling. don't get all butt hurt.
2017-02-23T01:14:28 < upgrdman> this is irc. there is no place for civil discourse here.
2017-02-23T01:14:35 < upgrdman> s/there/this
2017-02-23T01:15:00 < kakimir> when is stm32 pump meet?
2017-02-23T01:15:34 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, again. just trolling. IRL im a normal person, but why act normal in irc.
2017-02-23T01:16:23 < aandrew> upgrdman: what's up
2017-02-23T01:16:32 < upgrdman> aandrew, you familiar with altium?
2017-02-23T01:16:41 < aandrew> yes
2017-02-23T01:16:49 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, who's angry? im having a great time.
2017-02-23T01:18:21 < upgrdman> aandrew, excellent. so i've use altium to make several pcbs, but im doing my first project where a fab house will be doing the assembly (pink-n-place, and prolly some hand soldering of PTH stuff). what do i need to check or do so they can actually populate the boards. is a BoM with ref des's enough, or do i need to add Parameters to the schematic symbols or what?
2017-02-23T01:18:50 < kakimir> I need to know if there is a genuine pro on the channel and who it is?
2017-02-23T01:19:47 < aandrew> upgrdman: generally you want the centroid data (x/y/rot for each component). Altium has several ways of oding this, including on the BOM
2017-02-23T01:20:35 < aandrew> typically I generate two files for mfg, the BOM which has components with same mfg/part grouped but no position data, and then another whcih has the pick and place data
2017-02-23T01:20:51 < dongs> upgrdman: whats up
2017-02-23T01:20:53 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, im pro enough ;) and "a lot of money" depends. i could be richer, but i no longer worry about money day to day.
2017-02-23T01:20:56 < aandrew> you don't need more than refdes and coords but I generate an entire BOM with the data because some houses like that 
2017-02-23T01:21:07 < upgrdman> dongs:
2017-02-23T01:21:09 < upgrdman> aandrew, excellent. so i've use altium to make several pcbs, but im doing my first project where a fab house will be doing the assembly (pink-n-place, and prolly some hand soldering of PTH stuff). what do i need to check or do so they can actually populate the boards. is a BoM with ref des's enough, or do i need to add Parameters to the schematic symbols or what?
2017-02-23T01:21:11 < dongs> yeah saw questions
2017-02-23T01:21:11 < dongs> right
2017-02-23T01:21:24 < dongs> what I usually ask from people when I make shit is
2017-02-23T01:21:36 < dongs> the xy dicknplace export in csv, in metric
2017-02-23T01:21:39 < dongs> board origin bottom left
2017-02-23T01:22:02 < dongs> a gerber overlay with refdes centerd around each part 
2017-02-23T01:22:07 < ReadError> upgrdman: you need a drawing too
2017-02-23T01:22:11 < ReadError> probably
2017-02-23T01:22:14 < dongs> (if you arent printing silk on board, you can move those to a mech layer like gm3 or etc)
2017-02-23T01:22:15 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, fine, i'll stop triggering you so often
2017-02-23T01:22:37 < ReadError> so do the component shit and .RefDef
2017-02-23T01:22:46 < upgrdman> dongs, ReadError, aandrew: k thanks
2017-02-23T01:24:36 < dongs> < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, fine, i'll stop triggering you so often
2017-02-23T01:24:40 < dongs> upgrdman: its called /ignore
2017-02-23T01:24:53 < upgrdman> the temptation is real
2017-02-23T01:25:06 < dongs> < aandrew> you don't need more than refdes and coords < if you sent me only that I'd tell you to fuck off and go asemble in china
2017-02-23T01:25:19 < aandrew> oh yeah assembly file is good too
2017-02-23T01:25:31 < aandrew> dongs: well tbh we don't know where he's assembling :-)
2017-02-23T01:25:37 < upgrdman> usa
2017-02-23T01:25:57 < upgrdman> at least for this board. only need 5 so no need to cheap out and do it in cn
2017-02-23T01:25:58 < aandrew> you're gonna need to include a confederate flag and red MAGA hat too then
2017-02-23T01:27:04 < upgrdman> dongs, how would they know component orientation? e.g. for a box header. will they be smart enough to look at my silk where i show the notch?
2017-02-23T01:27:27 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IDIbzGzW/assemblay.png
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2017-02-23T01:27:59 < upgrdman> ReadError, neat. how do i made that in altium
2017-02-23T01:28:06 < ReadError> they seem to care more about that than the csv
2017-02-23T01:28:25 < ReadError> you make another layer, FOR EVERY PART
2017-02-23T01:28:32 < ReadError> and its a huge pita
2017-02-23T01:28:45 < ReadError> and they fuckin changed it and made me redo every single part
2017-02-23T01:28:52 < ReadError> layer pairs
2017-02-23T01:30:01 < aandrew> upgrdman: generally speaking the assembly houses want to do a good job so they check with you and ask a lot of questions particularly about polarity/orientation
2017-02-23T01:30:16 < upgrdman> ok good
2017-02-23T01:30:35 < aandrew> you can test this too by leaving some info out and seeing if they come back with "yo which direction are these LEDs to be placed?"
2017-02-23T01:30:36 < ReadError> its custom made
2017-02-23T01:30:45 < ReadError> they manually program the machines sometimes
2017-02-23T01:30:49 < ReadError> idk 
2017-02-23T01:31:03 < aandrew> upgrdman: you have a mechanical layer defined and all your components have text on that layer that is ".Designator"
2017-02-23T01:31:04 < ReadError> learn it
2017-02-23T01:31:16 < ReadError> ya designator
2017-02-23T01:31:21 < ReadError> its altium layer LeelooMinai 
2017-02-23T01:31:29 < ReadError> layer mechanical pair
2017-02-23T01:31:34 < aandrew> unfortunately Altium is dumb as shit and if you're OCD like me it drives you nuts not having the assembly designators centered on each part in the assembly drawing
2017-02-23T01:31:34 < ReadError> for each component 
2017-02-23T01:31:46 < ReadError> LeelooMinai: nothing
2017-02-23T01:31:54 < ReadError> its just a layer on the component 
2017-02-23T01:31:55 < ReadError> w/ a box
2017-02-23T01:31:59 < ReadError> and .Designator 
2017-02-23T01:32:06 < aandrew> ReadError: most of the time they have software that reads the gerbers and can pick out parts from the silk and do a pretty damn good job of matching shit up
2017-02-23T01:32:07 < ReadError> then i do outline + mech layer
2017-02-23T01:32:14 < aandrew> can't remember hte name of what they use at carsan, it's pretty mucha n industry standard
2017-02-23T01:32:33 < aandrew> and makes me a little upset that they don't rely quite so much on the carefully curated assembly drawing I spent forever putting together
2017-02-23T01:32:38 < ReadError> aandrew: suspect that maybe, since csv depends on you putting the origin of the parts exactly in the middle
2017-02-23T01:32:50 < aandrew> ReadError: there's that too, but this software is able to figure shit out
2017-02-23T01:33:32 < aandrew> wtf is that software called now, it's gonna bug me
2017-02-23T01:33:37 < englishman> omg dat ryzen pricing
2017-02-23T01:34:40 < aandrew> their software will also pull in a pcad ASCII file (altium can export) and use that directly
2017-02-23T01:36:22 < aandrew> circuitcam
2017-02-23T01:36:26 < aandrew> that's what they use
2017-02-23T01:36:49 < aandrew> it pulls all this shit together, links with their inventory system, understands what the package reels/trays look like and programs their siplace machines
2017-02-23T01:37:11 < ReadError> LeelooMinai: no not really
2017-02-23T01:37:18 < ReadError> cheaper than i would have thunk anyways
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2017-02-23T01:39:41 < ReadError> depends on how many components 
2017-02-23T01:39:48 < ReadError> and if they are sourcing or have to use ur stuff
2017-02-23T01:39:58 < ReadError> but under a dollar for actual assembly
2017-02-23T01:39:59 < ReadError> easy
2017-02-23T01:40:21 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/E81ay
2017-02-23T01:40:23 < aandrew> that's the software
2017-02-23T01:40:30 < aandrew> dongs: pay attention, you need this if you want to be pro
2017-02-23T01:40:53 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I just got small volume pricing
2017-02-23T01:42:21 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: two stencils: $600. assembly cost for a fairly dense board (parts both sides, 0603 components, nothing crazy but a fair bit of hand-soldered connectors): $140/ea. BOM cost was $5000
2017-02-23T01:42:26 < aandrew> all CAD
2017-02-23T01:43:55 < aandrew> oh wait, per panel. that was a 6 board panel
2017-02-23T01:44:47 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/940Ulxl.png that panel
2017-02-23T01:45:33 < aandrew> lol
2017-02-23T01:45:34 < aandrew> no
2017-02-23T01:45:52 < aandrew> that panel I think is approx 8.5x11"
2017-02-23T01:46:25 < aandrew> yeah depends on what he's doing
2017-02-23T01:46:48 < ReadError> the actual assembly isnt much
2017-02-23T01:46:53 < ReadError> its the rest that cost more
2017-02-23T01:46:54 < aandrew> $140/panel includes the hand assembly, AOI, touchups and depanelization
2017-02-23T01:46:54 < ReadError> testing
2017-02-23T01:47:01 < ReadError> stencils
2017-02-23T01:47:04 < aandrew> yeah the stencil cost was idiotic
2017-02-23T01:47:45 < ReadError> i want to say these chinamen charge 65 for the stencil
2017-02-23T01:48:03 < ReadError> theres a setup fee per run too
2017-02-23T01:48:16 < ReadError> like 75$ or something
2017-02-23T01:48:32 < aandrew> for another board I had them do, the stencil was $150
2017-02-23T01:48:50 < aandrew> assembly was $77 but there was no TH on it, just SMT and one side
2017-02-23T01:49:30 < aandrew> so 12 boards, $77 ea because it was only 2 panels
2017-02-23T01:49:39 < aandrew> if I want 100 panels the per board cost goes way down
2017-02-23T01:49:52 < aandrew> becuase all the labour is in the setup and depanelization
2017-02-23T01:50:13 < aandrew> yeah the setup fee is rolled inot the per-board price
2017-02-23T01:50:16 < aandrew> at least with carsan
2017-02-23T01:53:41 < aandrew> those 6 board panels (4 layer, 5/5 ENIG) were $910 for 15 panels ($60 per panel) for 2 week turn
2017-02-23T01:54:26 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yeah that looks off, shouldn't that be 0x380?
2017-02-23T01:55:51 < aandrew> did you write ST to let them know so it gets corrected?
2017-02-23T01:56:36 < aandrew> actually I do
2017-02-23T01:56:49 < aandrew> I am in contact with the local ST office fairly regularly
2017-02-23T01:57:29 < aandrew> mind you I'm emailing a guy directly, not going through some web form that probably receives more ads for v14g4raa than actual comments...
2017-02-23T01:57:32 < aandrew> lots of them
2017-02-23T01:58:38 < aandrew> david hermann <david.hermann@st.com> and Colin Ramrattan <colin.ramrattan@st.com> are the ones in missisauga
2017-02-23T01:58:59 < aandrew> also was talking with mark duggan <mark.duggan@st.com> who's in montreal
2017-02-23T02:00:28 < aandrew> nah
2017-02-23T02:00:48 < aandrew> tell 'em I sent you and said theyd' probably be interested to pass on a note that page xx of doc abcd is incorrect
2017-02-23T02:01:22 < aandrew> these guys are all technical rather than sales focused and hate bad docs as much as the next techie
2017-02-23T02:07:42 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDIHcFRPFs pigeons are interesting I knew it
2017-02-23T02:15:53 < jadew> maybe I should start a pigeon colony on the balcony and ship them to china from time to time, so I can get my boards faster
2017-02-23T02:16:58 < jadew> Dear SeeedStudio, please don't mail me the boards, instead, tape them to one of my birds and release it.
2017-02-23T02:17:20 < jadew> PS: They eat crums and other leftovers
2017-02-23T02:17:27 < Thorn> they're going to wrap tape around the wings and throw it out the windiw
2017-02-23T02:17:41 < Thorn> 65th floor
2017-02-23T02:17:56 < jadew> I'm sure I'd still get my boards faster
2017-02-23T02:18:05 < kakimir> sleepZ
2017-02-23T02:19:17 < jadew> any suggestions for a cheap, lab grade sig gen that can go up to 8 GHz?
2017-02-23T02:20:45 < jadew> well, I can hope, can't I?
2017-02-23T02:25:23 < sync_> if 6GHz is ok for you the E44xx VSGs are affordable
2017-02-23T02:25:35 < sync_> like 4k or something
2017-02-23T02:25:51 < jadew> already have one of those, but it only goes up to 3 GHz
2017-02-23T02:26:08 < jadew> and yeah, 6 GHz isn't enough
2017-02-23T02:26:21 < sync_> yes
2017-02-23T02:26:49 < sync_> that depends on what you do
2017-02-23T02:26:54 < jadew> yeah, that's a bit expensive, I can probably source 1.5-2k
2017-02-23T02:27:32 < sync_> compared to what they cost new, it is pretty good value for the money
2017-02-23T02:27:39 < jadew> yeah
2017-02-23T02:30:28 < jadew> my only hope is to find a broken one
2017-02-23T02:31:07 < jadew> crt, who likes what?
2017-02-23T02:31:20 < sync_> LeelooMinai: if you have shit to develop the value outweighs the cost pretty quickly
2017-02-23T02:31:57 < Thorn> to develop 8GHz shit you need way more than a source
2017-02-23T02:32:01 < jadew> yeah
2017-02-23T02:32:11 < KreAture_> dongs I got the pwm frequency dithering stuff working now :)
2017-02-23T02:33:26 < sync_> Thorn: yeah, but those wiltron 40GHz VNAs are getting pretty cheap now
2017-02-23T02:33:36 < sync_> saw one for 12k€ the other day
2017-02-23T02:33:50 < KreAture_> crt he uses that name just so I get to call you guys dongs :)
2017-02-23T02:35:25 < Thorn> there's all kind of little $300 boxes by mini-curcuits, calbration kits, cables etc.
2017-02-23T02:36:20 < Thorn> and demo boards are not exactly $49
2017-02-23T02:36:30 < jadew> tell me about it
2017-02-23T02:36:35 < KreAture_> lol
2017-02-23T02:37:19 < KreAture_> Thorn I needed some AlN ceramic pieces for a project and found 6 100w wideband RF attenuators in the e-vaste bin in the basement at work
2017-02-23T02:37:50 < ReadError> dongs: crt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJxNn2TqyEY&feature=youtu.be
2017-02-23T02:38:14 < KreAture_> hey ReadError 
2017-02-23T02:38:19 < ReadError> sup
2017-02-23T02:38:37 < jadew> and the worst part is that if something isn't working right, you kind of need the demo board to figure out if it's your screw up or if it's something about the part
2017-02-23T02:39:02 < sync_> hm
2017-02-23T02:39:17 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-02-23T02:39:19 < ReadError> https://github.com/trustedsec/unicorn/blob/master/unicorn.py
2017-02-23T02:39:32 < KreAture_> ReadError I got the pwm frequency dithering to work with the stm32
2017-02-23T02:39:38 < KreAture_> fiddly stuff
2017-02-23T02:39:45 < sync_> hasn't been a huge problem for me suprisingly
2017-02-23T02:39:56 < ReadError> oh for motor control?
2017-02-23T02:39:59 < KreAture_> most of my issues came from the fact that debugger was reading the burst access register for the timer
2017-02-23T02:40:15 < KreAture_> ReadError I wioll be using it for driving ultrasonic transducers with accurate frequency
2017-02-23T02:40:20 < sync_> we used prematched transistors in our 5GHz amp and it worked from the start
2017-02-23T02:40:42 < KreAture_> I was kinda surprised the debugger listing system registers counted as access to increment the burst access on timer
2017-02-23T02:41:07 < KreAture_> screwed up my timing a lot hehe
2017-02-23T02:45:31 < KreAture_> sync_ you tried any of the GaN-systems transistors ?
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2017-02-23T02:49:09 < KreAture_> they're expensive
2017-02-23T02:50:12 < KreAture_> They have a 650v 60a one that can run over 100 MHz which we use at work. redicolous power in a tiny surface mounted package lol
2017-02-23T02:58:07 < sync_> I have a few samples, but I never got around to making something with them
2017-02-23T03:03:58 < KreAture_> expensive yes
2017-02-23T03:04:00 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-02-23T03:05:52 < sync_> for the performance it is not too bad
2017-02-23T03:06:22 < jadew> crt, on a curve tracer
2017-02-23T03:06:48 < jadew> you can build one
2017-02-23T03:07:48 < jadew> I made an IV tracer that's pretty handy
2017-02-23T03:08:32 < jadew> planning to make a curve tracer too, but I don't have the time atm
2017-02-23T03:09:00 < jadew> from an IV tracer to a transistor curve tracer there's like... 1 extra step
2017-02-23T03:09:56 < jadew> seems it does the same thing, just manually
2017-02-23T03:11:46 < jadew> can't find a picture of mine, only pictures of making it
2017-02-23T03:12:39 < jadew> how stoned are you now?
2017-02-23T03:14:09 < upgrdman> anyone here have a manfrotto magic arm (or equiv) ? like it?
2017-02-23T03:14:42 < jadew> how do I send a file over bluetooth to a linux pc?
2017-02-23T03:14:51 < jadew> more specifically, how do I receive it?
2017-02-23T03:16:30 < sync_> they are ok upgrdman
2017-02-23T03:16:33 < sync_> I have used one
2017-02-23T03:20:21 < upgrdman> sync_, k. but not as magical as they seem?
2017-02-23T03:20:45 < sync_> yes
2017-02-23T03:20:56 < sync_> they have the problem that all of those designs have
2017-02-23T03:21:10 < sync_> there are two pins in the arms
2017-02-23T03:21:19 < sync_> that are pushed outwards by a cam in the middle joint
2017-02-23T03:21:42 < sync_> so the feel of the knob and the force they lock up with is highly dependant on the surface finish and lubrication
2017-02-23T03:22:29 < sync_> hörger & gässler makes nice ones that are hydraulic, but they are not exactly cheap
2017-02-23T03:22:39 < upgrdman> >$200 ?
2017-02-23T03:23:06 < sync_> no idea, I have only used their indicator stands but those are around 200usd
2017-02-23T03:25:21 < sync_> LeelooMinai: I'm sorry that I cannot afford cheap gear
2017-02-23T03:26:54 < upgrdman> sync_, hmm h&g looks nice. but is it just for machinst? i see no with camera mount thinggy
2017-02-23T03:27:07 < sync_> well, they are hydraulic stands
2017-02-23T03:27:12 < sync_> they don't care what they hold
2017-02-23T03:27:15 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, no, for holding my dslr to make super pro youtube vids
2017-02-23T03:27:15 < sync_> ;)
2017-02-23T03:27:28 < upgrdman> sync_, sure, but how do i get my camera attached to it :)
2017-02-23T03:27:47 < sync_> I'd say you will be happy with the manfrotto, I can tell you how to improve it if you are not
2017-02-23T03:27:56 < sync_> but you can also get a real cheap chinese one and tune it
2017-02-23T03:28:00 < upgrdman> howd you improve it
2017-02-23T03:28:11 < sync_> simple, improve the surface finish of the cam
2017-02-23T03:28:23 < upgrdman> polish it? or?
2017-02-23T03:28:37 < sync_> and make the pressure piece fit well to the balls on the ends
2017-02-23T03:28:45 < upgrdman> k
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2017-02-23T03:29:02 < sync_> I lapped mine on the surface plate, but polishing probably is fine
2017-02-23T03:30:22 < sync_> yes robin makes cool stuff
2017-02-23T03:31:01 < sync_> his videos are worth watching
2017-02-23T03:31:33 < jadew> I've seen that video
2017-02-23T03:31:35 < jadew> nice mount
2017-02-23T03:31:57 < sync_> why is he a madman LeelooMinai?
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2017-02-23T03:32:41 < sync_> he built a helicopter in school just because
2017-02-23T03:33:31 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, I think he replaced the front panel text for his milliohm meter
2017-02-23T03:33:57 < jadew> sync_, really? helicopter?
2017-02-23T03:34:02 < sync_> yes
2017-02-23T03:34:12 < sync_> a model one tho
2017-02-23T03:34:20 < jadew> ah
2017-02-23T03:34:37 < jadew> he has good mechanical skills
2017-02-23T03:34:38 < jadew> that's for sure
2017-02-23T03:34:51 < sync_> he's a toolmaker
2017-02-23T03:34:52 < jadew> I love his kelvin probes
2017-02-23T03:35:38 < jadew> I don't remember, I saw it a long time ago
2017-02-23T03:36:02 < jadew> but it gave me ideas for my own stuff
2017-02-23T03:36:27 < jadew> heh
2017-02-23T03:40:23 < jadew> well, you don't want to apply your sticker crooked :)
2017-02-23T03:40:50 < jadew> I have two crooked buttons on my freq. counter and they drive me nuts
2017-02-23T03:41:04 < jadew> can't get to them without risking destroying the front panel clips tho
2017-02-23T03:43:19 < jadew> ffs...
2017-02-23T03:43:23 < jadew> I closed the wrong tab in chrome
2017-02-23T03:43:29 < jadew> I figured, I'll bring it back!
2017-02-23T03:43:33 < jadew> CTRL + SHIFT + W
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2017-02-23T03:54:43 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-02-23T03:56:10 < dongs> wow look at readcloner talking like a total pro about china assembly, when all he ever does "supposedly" is one-off hand-assembled prototypes on oshpark boards
2017-02-23T03:56:31 < dongs> i made something in china once like 10 years ago
2017-02-23T03:56:37 < dongs> it took a month for like 100 boards
2017-02-23T03:56:43 < dongs> never again
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2017-02-23T04:02:12 < emeb_mac> client of mine had some boards made there - they swapped in graymarket parts
2017-02-23T04:02:18 < emeb_mac> utter failure
2017-02-23T04:02:56 < jadew> emeb_mac, where?
2017-02-23T04:02:59 < jadew> oshpark?
2017-02-23T04:03:06 < dongs> no, china i guess
2017-02-23T04:03:16 < jadew> ah
2017-02-23T04:03:31 < jadew> well, I think you can send them your parts, if you don't, they'll probably use whatever they find
2017-02-23T04:03:50 < emeb_mac> right - china
2017-02-23T04:03:59 < emeb_mac> oshpark is fine for boards
2017-02-23T04:04:00 < jadew> pretty sure seeedstudio has this option
2017-02-23T04:04:39 < jadew> I ordered from them yesterday for the first time
2017-02-23T04:04:43 < jadew> super cheap for a tiny board
2017-02-23T04:05:52 < emeb_mac> you're having them make the whole thing?
2017-02-23T04:06:14 < jadew> no, just the board
2017-02-23T04:06:23 < emeb_mac> never tried them
2017-02-23T04:06:34 < emeb_mac> there are soooo many shops doing that batch mode now
2017-02-23T04:06:42 < dongs> something amd something lol
2017-02-23T04:06:45 < dongs> released today
2017-02-23T04:07:01  * emeb_mac remembers when sparkfun's batchpcb was the only game in town
2017-02-23T04:07:28 < jadew> now if they only did RF PCBs too
2017-02-23T04:07:40 < emeb_mac> what kind of rf you need?
2017-02-23T04:07:51 < emeb_mac> alumina? ptfe?
2017-02-23T04:08:00 < jadew> ptfe
2017-02-23T04:08:10 < emeb_mac> yeah - that shit is weird
2017-02-23T04:08:14 < emeb_mac> you working GHz?
2017-02-23T04:08:19 < jadew> yeah
2017-02-23T04:08:23 < emeb_mac> nice
2017-02-23T04:08:50 < emeb_mac> my 1st job out of school was in RF aerospace stuff - comm satellites
2017-02-23T04:08:56 < jadew> and I'm doing it on FR-4, so there's a lot of uncertainty regarding where I screwed up
2017-02-23T04:09:06 < emeb_mac> we had loads of ptfe in custom-machined housings.
2017-02-23T04:10:01 < emeb_mac> whatcha making?
2017-02-23T04:10:15 < jadew> not telling yet
2017-02-23T04:10:24 < jadew> given that I'm failing a lot, I don't want to let the idea out
2017-02-23T04:10:24 < dongs> another top secret dicsktarter
2017-02-23T04:10:46 < jadew> it's not a dickstarter, it wouldn't work
2017-02-23T04:10:53 < jadew> but yeah, I want to sell it
2017-02-23T04:10:55 < dongs> lmao, AMD stock cooler comes with RGB LED
2017-02-23T04:11:00 < dongs> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2017-02-23T04:11:10 < jadew> so it can do black :P
2017-02-23T04:11:12 < dongs> for the new shitbox
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2017-02-23T04:14:05 < emeb_mac> jadew: if the features aren't too fine you can probably etch your own ptfe
2017-02-23T04:14:18 < dongs> i donno man
2017-02-23T04:14:23 < dongs> my tw office does all sorts of RF shit
2017-02-23T04:14:32 < dongs> from TV to vsat to 2.4ghz stuff
2017-02-23T04:14:37 < dongs> and we never used any special weird pcb shite
2017-02-23T04:14:59 < emeb_mac> yeah - we only used it for stuff above 4ghz
2017-02-23T04:15:10 < dongs> some boards where this is critical get sent over to RF review company that sends back a report and gives some ideas what to optimize on layout, but final boards are all regular FR4
2017-02-23T04:15:11 < emeb_mac> but we did stuff up to 18g
2017-02-23T04:15:35 < dongs> yeah, what ghz is topsecretjeww doing
2017-02-23T04:15:44 < jadew> dongs, FR-4 is decent up to 3 GHz and a bit
2017-02-23T04:15:55 < dongs> okay and what are you trying to do
2017-02-23T04:16:08 < jadew> 8 GHz
2017-02-23T04:16:25 < dongs> RX? or TX too
2017-02-23T04:16:35 < jadew> both
2017-02-23T04:16:52 < dongs> doesnt sound legal
2017-02-23T04:16:56 < emeb_mac> radar love
2017-02-23T04:17:29 < jadew> heh, I can't say more without saying what it is
2017-02-23T04:17:36 < jadew> it's legal tho
2017-02-23T04:17:45 < dongs> i like this get stoned idea
2017-02-23T04:18:13 < emeb_mac> everybody must
2017-02-23T04:18:40 < dongs> my SSD is drawing random current
2017-02-23T04:18:46 < dongs> with jumps of +- 100mA
2017-02-23T04:18:57 < emeb_mac> dongs: got that r820 board hooked to the rest of my SDR system and it's working greate
2017-02-23T04:19:00 < dongs> its also not readable at this minute
2017-02-23T04:19:03 < dongs> emeb_mac: awesome
2017-02-23T04:19:13 < dongs> crt, i measure everything
2017-02-23T04:19:26 < emeb_mac> measuring dongs
2017-02-23T04:19:30 < emeb_mac> here's a micrometer
2017-02-23T04:19:44 < dongs> good1
2017-02-23T04:19:55 < jadew> dongs, I noticed similar behaviour in mine
2017-02-23T04:20:05 < jadew> but mine was broken
2017-02-23T04:20:14 < dongs> i think mine is about to be
2017-02-23T04:20:19 < emeb_mac> dongs: maybe that's when it's doing wearleveling?
2017-02-23T04:20:42 < emeb_mac> my understanding is that SSDs are constantly rewriting even when not being accessed.
2017-02-23T04:21:49 < jadew> I should probably try to erase mine and go to warranty with it
2017-02-23T04:21:58 < jadew> it didn't last a year
2017-02-23T04:22:28 < emeb_mac> what brand?
2017-02-23T04:22:37 < jadew> I was able to recover a bunch of stuff, but only by copying it at a lower rate
2017-02-23T04:22:44 < jadew> let me remember
2017-02-23T04:22:51 < jadew> something with p
2017-02-23T04:22:57 < dongs> plextor?
2017-02-23T04:23:11 < emeb_mac> patriot? pny? all those cheap-ass fry's brands
2017-02-23T04:23:13 < dongs> or patriot, lol
2017-02-23T04:23:14 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-23T04:23:17 < jadew> yeah, that one
2017-02-23T04:23:21 < jadew> patriot
2017-02-23T04:23:31 < dongs> aids
2017-02-23T04:23:44 < emeb_mac> saw a Hyundai there today
2017-02-23T04:23:52 < jadew> I have a samsung one now
2017-02-23T04:23:54 < emeb_mac> 480GB for $140
2017-02-23T04:24:15 < dongs> for those times when your data is worthless (sm)
2017-02-23T04:24:31 < emeb_mac> never heard of Hyundai drives before - not convinced
2017-02-23T04:25:03 < jadew> they probably bought some chinese cloners
2017-02-23T04:26:02 < jadew> too bad IBM is not into consumer stuff anymore
2017-02-23T04:26:17 < jadew> most of their hardware was pretty good
2017-02-23T04:26:54 < emeb_mac> Hitachi bought their HD operation
2017-02-23T04:27:04 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/jlTosos
2017-02-23T04:27:28 < dongs> emeb_mac: ...
2017-02-23T04:27:36 < jadew> emeb_mac, can't rely on that
2017-02-23T04:27:41 < jadew> look what lenovo did to thinkpad
2017-02-23T04:27:49 < emeb_mac> true dat
2017-02-23T04:28:01 < jadew> upgrdman, heh
2017-02-23T04:28:16 < dongs> err, I forgot what "thinkpad" was. a heavy, underperforming, boxy laptop with shit resolutions and crap io ports?
2017-02-23T04:28:30 < jadew> dongs, the opposite
2017-02-23T04:28:31 < dongs> i think some "people" used to "like" it because it was able to load some ancient version of "lunix" on it
2017-02-23T04:28:39 < dongs> but that's hardly a salespoint for me
2017-02-23T04:29:21 < jadew> my old thinkpad is slimmer than my wife's mac and it's many years older
2017-02-23T04:29:27 < jadew> well, my wife's old mac
2017-02-23T04:29:37 < jadew> also, it performs better
2017-02-23T04:29:48 < jadew> and has an LPT port
2017-02-23T04:29:57 < dongs> ....
2017-02-23T04:30:09 < jadew> I used that to program stuff
2017-02-23T04:30:44 < dongs> use better stuff that needs to be programmed
2017-02-23T04:31:13 < jadew> I obviously don't use it anymore, but it was an awesome laptop
2017-02-23T04:33:33 < emeb_mac> what's a good dongtop?
2017-02-23T04:37:12 < jadew> and it was able to do this: http://www.lenovoblog.cz/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC03140-25255B4-25255D.jpg
2017-02-23T04:37:32 < dongs> boxy, retarded confirmed
2017-02-23T04:37:46 < dongs> oh my fucking god and swapped ctrl/fn keys
2017-02-23T04:37:54 < dongs> get the fuck out
2017-02-23T04:37:56 < jadew> yeah, that was kind of a PITA
2017-02-23T04:38:05 < dongs> tho i think there';s a bios thing for that right?
2017-02-23T04:38:05 < jadew> and no win key
2017-02-23T04:38:08 < dongs> wat
2017-02-23T04:38:18 < dongs> isxnt that winkey rtight next otalt?
2017-02-23T04:38:18 < englishman> clearly thats from win3.1 days
2017-02-23T04:38:20 < dongs> or is that space
2017-02-23T04:38:21 < jadew> it's an old laptop
2017-02-23T04:38:29 < jadew> nope, that's the space
2017-02-23T04:38:37 < jadew> with a FN thingie
2017-02-23T04:38:38 < englishman> modem + pcmcia
2017-02-23T04:39:09 < dongs> heh pcmcia
2017-02-23T04:39:15 < dongs> express card kinda died off
2017-02-23T04:39:19 < dongs> without doing anything useful
2017-02-23T04:39:23 < jadew> oh and it also had a light :P to shine on the keys
2017-02-23T04:39:33 < dongs> they have backlit keyboards now
2017-02-23T04:39:39 < dongs> if you are into that
2017-02-23T04:39:44 < englishman> since apple invented it
2017-02-23T04:39:55 < jadew> not really, I didn't care for that light either, but it was nice that it had it
2017-02-23T04:40:09 < jadew> I mean, it was feature packed
2017-02-23T04:40:14 < englishman> who is getting ryzen
2017-02-23T04:40:15 < jadew> all thinkpads were like that
2017-02-23T04:40:24 < dongs> nobody
2017-02-23T04:40:26 < jadew> then they got bought and now they're shit
2017-02-23T04:40:27 < englishman> i7 marketing-rated power for 1/10 price
2017-02-23T04:40:49 < englishman> $AMD over $14
2017-02-23T04:40:51 < englishman> insanity
2017-02-23T04:41:54 < jadew> how do they do on power?
2017-02-23T04:49:39 < jadew> 4.8 billion transistors
2017-02-23T04:49:47 < jadew> 2 km of traces
2017-02-23T04:49:59 < jadew> (in ryzen)
2017-02-23T04:50:16 < dongs> but, still nobody cares
2017-02-23T04:50:59 < nikomo> how about waiting until march 2nd when the chips actually start shipping, and review sites are no longer under NDA, before saying nobody cares
2017-02-23T04:51:45 < dongs> just look how many pro places use AMD
2017-02-23T04:51:47 < dongs> like none
2017-02-23T04:52:09 < jadew> I'm skeptic too, but who knows
2017-02-23T04:52:11 < nikomo> if you mean CPUs, that's because they haven't released a high performance CPU in years
2017-02-23T04:52:49 < nikomo> I legit don't think business users care if they have Intel or AMD CPUs in their machines as long as they perform, and are cheap
2017-02-23T04:53:43 < dongs> the way i see it is
2017-02-23T04:53:47 < dongs> if amd performance is "real"
2017-02-23T04:53:50 < dongs> it should be priced accordingly
2017-02-23T04:54:01 < dongs> if its just bullshit edge cases in some benchmarks, nobody cares
2017-02-23T04:54:04 < dongs> people will use shit that works
2017-02-23T04:54:19 < jadew> I've been using AMD for a very long time and it always felt slower than Intel
2017-02-23T04:54:26 < nikomo> they haven't been on the market for what, 4 years? so they're going aggressive on the pricing to gain marketshare
2017-02-23T04:55:01 < jadew> at the very least they'll drive intel prices down :D
2017-02-23T04:55:11 < nikomo> NDAs will end march 2nd so we get independent third-party benchmarks then. that'll be interesting
2017-02-23T04:55:30 < dongs> ha ha
2017-02-23T04:55:32 < dongs> their 52% IPC claim
2017-02-23T04:55:37 < dongs> i thought it was compared wiht intel
2017-02-23T04:55:42 < dongs> they're comapring it wiht some ANCIENT FUCKING AMD SHITBOX
2017-02-23T04:55:45 < dongs> FROM 5 YEARS AGO
2017-02-23T04:55:45 < nikomo> why would you think that
2017-02-23T04:55:53 < dongs> because its irrelevant if they're comparing wiht garbage
2017-02-23T04:56:16 < dongs> I can safely say my i7 is faster than CyrixInstead 586
2017-02-23T04:56:21 < dongs> and its over 9000% faster in fact
2017-02-23T04:56:38 < jadew> I think that what they did with this CPU is to bring their technology up to date
2017-02-23T04:56:47 < jadew> Intel was already there
2017-02-23T04:57:41 < nikomo> the TDPs are the interesting part.
2017-02-23T04:58:15 < nikomo> I'm thinking they spent a shitload of time figuring what they're going to do with dark silicon
2017-02-23T04:58:34 < jadew> nikomo, similar to skylake
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2017-02-23T04:59:30 < nikomo> jadew: 6900k is 140W TDP, 1800X is 95W
2017-02-23T05:00:06 < dongs> what the hell is this trash lol
2017-02-23T05:00:18 < dongs> i'm on i7-6700
2017-02-23T05:00:23 < dongs> i think its either 65 or 90W
2017-02-23T05:00:29 < dongs> k shit is useless
2017-02-23T05:00:36 < jadew> yeah, I was thinking about 6700
2017-02-23T05:00:58 < nikomo> hmm, that's same TDP as the comparable ryzen parts
2017-02-23T05:01:13 < dongs> nikomo: and i bet under normal use its probably just as fast
2017-02-23T05:01:23 < nikomo> depends on workload since the ryzens have 8 cores
2017-02-23T05:01:28 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)#Desktop_processors
2017-02-23T05:01:43 < nikomo> though now the cores are actually real
2017-02-23T05:01:48 < nikomo> instead of the fx-series memecores
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2017-02-23T05:04:40 < dongs> is there no 6900 non-k what the fuck
2017-02-23T05:05:00 < dongs> oh its the socket2011 shit
2017-02-23T05:05:35 < dongs> https://ark.intel.com/products/97128/Intel-Core-i7-7700-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz
2017-02-23T05:05:39 < dongs> tjos os mew
2017-02-23T05:05:39 < dongs> this is new
2017-02-23T05:05:44 < dongs> and probably beats any AMD trash
2017-02-23T05:09:07 < jadew> dongs, weird, 6700 is still more expensive
2017-02-23T05:09:23 < dongs> well its 2 years old
2017-02-23T05:09:27 < dongs> nobody should be buying that in 20176
2017-02-23T05:10:05 < dongs> 3~are you lokoing at actual shop price
2017-02-23T05:10:08 < dongs> or that intel suggestdd price
2017-02-23T05:10:29 < dongs> intel suggested price is identical
2017-02-23T05:10:42 < dongs> so only reason old shit is more expensive is y our shops
2017-02-23T05:10:43 < jadew> shop price
2017-02-23T05:11:14 < dongs> $314 at amazon for 7700
2017-02-23T05:11:33 < dongs> $305 for 6700
2017-02-23T05:11:36 < dongs> on sale from $314
2017-02-23T05:15:24 < dongs> 7700k is only $like 20 more, but useless for real
2017-02-23T05:18:09 < dongs> in either case amp!six cant afford any of this
2017-02-23T05:18:15 < dongs> so this discussion is pointless
2017-02-23T05:19:10 < aandrew> heh I'm still rocking a 1st-gen i7-950
2017-02-23T05:19:32 < dongs> yeah but you run MACOS
2017-02-23T05:19:49 < dongs> or even worse, lunix
2017-02-23T05:20:01 < dongs> that disqualifies you from having any valid opinion on computing stuff
2017-02-23T05:20:48 < aandrew> the esxi server is a dual L5520s with 48G (can put 96 in it but DDR2 registered ECC is expensive)
2017-02-23T05:22:23 < dongs> i got a shitty e3-1275 v2 in my esxi box
2017-02-23T05:22:25 < dongs> in a desktop mobo
2017-02-23T05:22:31 < dongs> so 32g max
2017-02-23T05:22:38 < aandrew> this is one blade in a dell C610
2017-02-23T05:22:55 < aandrew> XS23-TY3
2017-02-23T05:23:10 < dongs> oh, that xeon is max 32gb anyway
2017-02-23T05:23:30 < dongs> Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type)
2017-02-23T05:23:31 < dongs> 32.77 GB
2017-02-23T05:23:35 < dongs> thats awfully specific
2017-02-23T05:23:38 < dongs> where does hteextra .77 come from
2017-02-23T05:23:45 < aandrew> sure, but two of them per blade, that's 64G
2017-02-23T05:24:12 < dongs> my electric bill at the office where this runs is liek $30 a month
2017-02-23T05:24:18 < dongs> i don't wanna turn that into $100 a month
2017-02-23T05:24:21 < dongs> by running ancient shit
2017-02-23T05:24:34 < aandrew> this is actually easier on the power bill than my i7-950
2017-02-23T05:24:47 < aandrew> mind you when it spins up those fans kick in and it gets loud
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2017-02-23T05:37:56 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Make-mechanical-vaporizer/
2017-02-23T05:38:16 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/want-experties-electrical-courase/
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2017-02-23T05:50:35 < dongs> haha analtech comments
2017-02-23T05:50:36 < dongs> No. Intel simply sabotaged themselves. All the cool stuff that they have actually introduced like AVX2 etc they fuse off on lower tier chips so they can sell the same die for more money. So nobody bothers to use them. If they left the features intact, it wouldn't be a problem. They've shot themselves, basically.
2017-02-23T05:50:46 < dongs> yes nobody buys intel because they have cheap parts with features disabled
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2017-02-23T06:11:21 < branjb> lol
2017-02-23T06:13:37 < dongs> same autism for more money
2017-02-23T06:13:41 < dongs> amirite?
2017-02-23T06:17:33 < branjb> the real market demand is for people who can manage and focus autists into super producer weapons
2017-02-23T06:18:50 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-23T06:19:02 < branjb> doing PID loops in their head
2017-02-23T06:19:17 < branjb> ie, TempleOS guy
2017-02-23T06:20:35 < branjb> i bet there would be real market demand in a drug that temporarily turned a normal person autistic for 8 hours
2017-02-23T06:21:45 < aandrew> heh
2017-02-23T06:22:26 < branjb> o
2017-02-23T06:22:35 < branjb> nah
2017-02-23T06:22:44 < branjb> IRC completely kills my productivity half the time
2017-02-23T06:25:14 < aandrew> are you kidding me?
2017-02-23T06:25:19 < aandrew> irc is like a realtime stackexchange
2017-02-23T06:25:36 < dongs> dongoverflow
2017-02-23T06:28:42 < branjb> yeah but half the time the Q and A on stackexchange is: "Hey I'm trying to do this thing, here's my code, anyone see what I am doing wrong?"  A: "Y U R SO DUMB, y u do it that way, that is the wrong way, here is the way you should do it!!!!!111"  or "Duplicate post: >pastes link to unrelated stackexchange question"
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2017-02-23T06:45:46 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-23T06:46:04 < dongs> redoing this old ethernet board I made and looking how to make magnetics suck less
2017-02-23T06:46:21 < dongs> i had tx/rx pairs swapped on the magnetics ot make routing easier but if I put them back then I have to invert traces
2017-02-23T06:46:29 < dongs> +/- stuff on magnetics is not swappable right?
2017-02-23T06:46:34 < dongs> or is it
2017-02-23T06:47:11 < dongs> (old shit worked)
2017-02-23T06:47:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XE0TXPP.png
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2017-02-23T06:49:21 < dongs> mayb i should read some ancieht phy appnote
2017-02-23T06:55:13 < emeb_mac> if you swap +/- on input you need to do it on output too
2017-02-23T06:55:43 < dongs> of course
2017-02-23T06:55:44 < dongs> but can i?
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2017-02-23T06:56:09 < dongs> is tehre somethin magical about that little DOT on the transformer
2017-02-23T06:56:13 < dongs> that makes it NOT SPIN IN OTHER DIRECTION
2017-02-23T06:56:15 < dongs> yanno??
2017-02-23T06:56:20 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-02-23T06:56:20 < dongs> maybe it';ll slow the electrons down
2017-02-23T06:56:56 < emeb_mac> sometimes the magnetics are not symmetrical wrt the shield
2017-02-23T06:57:02 < emeb_mac> so it might make a difference
2017-02-23T07:00:50 < dongs> well
2017-02-23T07:18:10 < upgrdman> dongs, so i wasnt following your q's, but the dot on a transformer is just it, like uh direction. e.g. a rising pulse on the dot of one side will cause a rising pulse on the dot of the other side.
2017-02-23T07:18:36 < upgrdman> and at the non-dotted side, it's be a pulse in the opposite polarity
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2017-02-23T07:25:16 < branjb> what's the #define for APB2 clk speed
2017-02-23T07:25:24 < dongs> there isnt one
2017-02-23T07:25:28 < branjb> rip
2017-02-23T07:25:28 < dongs> what is teh question?
2017-02-23T07:25:36 < dongs> you can get it by RCC_GetClocks() or so
2017-02-23T07:25:47 < dongs> its dynamic based on pll/prescaler stuff
2017-02-23T07:25:51 < branjb> I just want to do (APB2_CLK / TIM1_PERIOD) / Freq
2017-02-23T07:25:53 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-23T07:25:56 < dongs> can't
2017-02-23T07:25:58 < branjb> I just want a quick function
2017-02-23T07:25:59 < branjb> boo
2017-02-23T07:26:07 < dongs> you'll haev to use that rcc thing to get clocks and keep it in a variable
2017-02-23T07:26:54 < dongs> are you dynamically switching sysclk or something?
2017-02-23T07:27:05 < branjb> no
2017-02-23T07:27:16 < branjb> i just want it macrod in case i switch sysclk speed later
2017-02-23T07:27:34 < branjb> so i don't have to hardcore like
2017-02-23T07:27:44 < branjb> (216000000 / TIM1_Period)
2017-02-23T07:32:06 < upgrdman> https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5vjt73/applying_thermal_paste_the_smartest_way/
2017-02-23T07:33:03  * Peter_M opens upgrdmans link awaiting howtobasic
2017-02-23T07:33:22 < Peter_M> close enough
2017-02-23T07:34:32 < upgrdman> legit lol'd   https://i.imgur.com/UgHzYUj.gifv
2017-02-23T07:34:59 < dongs> upgrdman: ahaha
2017-02-23T07:35:02 < dongs> is that a cellphone
2017-02-23T07:35:05 < dongs> on the 2nd guy
2017-02-23T07:35:09 < upgrdman> i think so
2017-02-23T07:35:16 < dongs> cuz he went for it
2017-02-23T07:35:18 < dongs> as soon as helanded
2017-02-23T07:42:14 < Peter_M> crt ok?
2017-02-23T07:43:38 < dongs> im still fucking getting CLion ads
2017-02-23T07:43:39 < dongs> thanks, upgrdman 
2017-02-23T07:43:48 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-23T07:44:36 < dongs> i'd much rather be getting visualgdb ads
2017-02-23T07:47:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkXgRlRao5I pretty much every screen-looking thing on that set is mine
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2017-02-23T07:51:22 < upgrdman> nice
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2017-02-23T08:20:30 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/sexualjumanji/status/834599497892257793
2017-02-23T08:20:32 < ohsix> sup
2017-02-23T08:20:42 < ohsix> went to a party, it was kewl
2017-02-23T08:21:07 < ohsix> there were real women there
2017-02-23T08:21:11 < ohsix> not like irc
2017-02-23T08:21:25 < ohsix> and that's as far as i'll go making that type of joke
2017-02-23T08:40:10 < ohsix> hi
2017-02-23T08:40:46 < dongs> probably inserting his dick in it
2017-02-23T08:43:07 < dongs> .
2017-02-23T08:45:21 < ohsix> crt: jazz
2017-02-23T08:46:13 < ohsix> lots of nice people
2017-02-23T08:46:40 < ohsix> i did
2017-02-23T08:46:55 < ohsix> but only incidentally
2017-02-23T08:47:21 < ohsix> about some of the shit i'd learned from randos joining programming channels and reading about what they were doing
2017-02-23T08:48:26 < ohsix> if i knew you better and this wasn't a put on that wouldn't be a bad thing to ask
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2017-02-23T09:04:43 < branjb> dongs
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2017-02-23T09:08:49 < dongs> dongs
2017-02-23T09:09:30 < branjb> you familiar with RCR reg on timers?
2017-02-23T09:09:53 < dongs> repetition counter shit?
2017-02-23T09:09:58 < branjb> yea
2017-02-23T09:10:10 < dongs> only works on advanced timers tim1/tim8
2017-02-23T09:10:16 < dongs> ignored by othersr.
2017-02-23T09:10:26 < branjb> if i understand right, if it is set to say 200, it means that instead of raising an interrupt every period, it does it only every 200 periods
2017-02-23T09:10:28 < branjb> is that right?
2017-02-23T09:11:11 < dongs> sonds r ight yeah
2017-02-23T09:11:37 < branjb> how does it keep track of how many periods have passed?
2017-02-23T09:11:42 < branjb> can't find where that is stored
2017-02-23T09:11:59 < branjb> ds does not say
2017-02-23T09:12:38 < ohsix> there isn't a reg for that
2017-02-23T09:12:46 < dongs> branjb: because the RCR is decremtened
2017-02-23T09:12:53 < ohsix> you use the irq to increment a value, or you use another timer (or use the timer differently)
2017-02-23T09:12:53 < dongs> thats how it knows.
2017-02-23T09:13:06 < branjb> o
2017-02-23T09:13:06 < dongs> so when its zero, it generatesd event and reloads.
2017-02-23T09:13:09 < branjb> that makes sense
2017-02-23T09:13:10 < branjb> lmao
2017-02-23T09:13:11 < ohsix> oh, i see, yea, periods
2017-02-23T09:13:27 < ohsix> in the second statement i read periods as 'that 200 x elapsed'
2017-02-23T09:13:48 < branjb> so is there a shadow register that reloads RCR when it gets to 0 or do you manually reload?
2017-02-23T09:14:05 < ohsix> there's another reg with the count
2017-02-23T09:14:20 < ohsix> do you have one of the rm's? it's probably faster to check it out
2017-02-23T09:14:31 < dongs> auto, so it must keep a copy somewhere
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2017-02-23T09:15:09 < ohsix> hurr i don't have any stm32 stuff on this craptop
2017-02-23T09:16:02 < branjb> HAL is making this annoying too
2017-02-23T09:16:22 < branjb> nothing is named based off the reg
2017-02-23T09:16:33 < dongs> lol hal
2017-02-23T09:16:38 < branjb> i know i know
2017-02-23T09:16:42 < dongs> apparently lowlevel libs will be out for all platforms
2017-02-23T09:16:43 < dongs> this year
2017-02-23T09:16:43 < branjb> not my choice
2017-02-23T09:17:12 < ohsix> st.com is so slow
2017-02-23T09:17:20 < ohsix> are you downloading datasheets branjb, stop, i want to
2017-02-23T09:17:32 < ohsix> only enough bandwidth for one person
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2017-02-23T09:19:43 < branjb> lol
2017-02-23T09:20:12 < ohsix> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/group0/91/01/84/3f/7c/67/41/3f/DM00236305/files/DM00236305.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00236305.pdf
2017-02-23T09:20:14 < ohsix> heh
2017-02-23T09:20:18 < ohsix> there's an app note on the timer shit
2017-02-23T09:20:38 < ohsix> 1.2 STM32 timer peripheral tear-down
2017-02-23T09:20:41 < ohsix> seems relevant
2017-02-23T09:20:54 < branjb> oh sweet
2017-02-23T09:20:58 < dongs> sup
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2017-02-23T09:22:02 < branjb> i was just using http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/group0/96/8b/0d/ec/16/22/43/71/DM00224583/files/DM00224583.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00224583.pdf
2017-02-23T09:22:33 < dongs> ST still doesn't know how to internet
2017-02-23T09:22:34 < dongs> in 2017
2017-02-23T09:24:52 < malinus> people only use printed datasheet ;)
2017-02-23T09:25:36 < dongs> 100 stoners
2017-02-23T09:25:36 < branjb> what could go wrong
2017-02-23T09:26:29 < dongs> the only person at ST that knows whats going on is clive1
2017-02-23T09:27:00 < branjb> will any bad things happen if I just manipulate registers directly instead of doing it via HAL, but all the HAL headers are still included?
2017-02-23T09:27:08 < dongs> no, who cares
2017-02-23T09:27:10 < branjb> I feel like that's something that would happen
2017-02-23T09:27:20 < dongs> look at the sores that touches those regs
2017-02-23T09:27:24 < branjb> lol
2017-02-23T09:27:31 < dongs> but yeah, msot ilkely it wont
2017-02-23T09:30:20 < branjb> hmm
2017-02-23T09:30:54 < branjb> using tim1, RCR set to 500, never decreases.  i see the wave on my scope so i know it's counting
2017-02-23T09:34:28 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-23T09:34:42 < dongs> branjb: maybe its decreasing the shadow
2017-02-23T09:34:51 < dongs> and autoreloading from rcr
2017-02-23T09:38:42 < dongs> well swapping +/- cleaned up my magnetics layout super nicely
2017-02-23T09:39:13 < dongs> donno if its gonna work but i guess it should
2017-02-23T09:43:10 < ohsix> singe-y butts
2017-02-23T09:48:43 < dongs> whats teh diffbetween 74x157 and 257
2017-02-23T09:49:59 < dongs> oic, one floats the other one turns low
2017-02-23T09:56:07 < dongs> whatever floats your pin, bro
2017-02-23T09:56:19 < dongs> The www.digikey.com page isn’t working
2017-02-23T09:56:19 < dongs> www.digikey.com didn’t send any data.
2017-02-23T09:56:19 < dongs> ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE
2017-02-23T09:56:59 < dongs> aye
2017-02-23T09:57:01 < dongs> i killed it
2017-02-23T09:57:04 < dongs> with my super specific 74-series search
2017-02-23T09:57:17 < dongs> digikey
2017-02-23T09:57:23 < dongs> it was getting slower and slower
2017-02-23T09:57:25 < dongs> and finally died
2017-02-23T09:58:18 < ohsix> eh
2017-02-23T09:58:21 < ohsix> st was dying too
2017-02-23T09:58:30 < ohsix> http://internetpulse.net/
2017-02-23T10:00:23 < dongs> type /ignore ohsix and you can imagine it
2017-02-23T10:00:37 < dongs> the freedom
2017-02-23T10:00:49 < dongs> leelooman too
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2017-02-23T10:13:35 < ohsix> looking at some twitter block thing cuz of something someone mentioned
2017-02-23T10:13:39 < ohsix> commit message: Renaming blacklist.txt to sourcelist.txt
2017-02-23T10:13:42 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/Px1WKon
2017-02-23T10:13:43 < ohsix> and you know why.
2017-02-23T10:14:34 < dongs> unfunny
2017-02-23T10:14:42 < ohsix> also lol. look at the bad list https://github.com/freebsdgirl/ggautoblocker/blob/master/sourcelist.txt https://github.com/freebsdgirl/ggautoblocker/blob/master/whitelist.txt and all the exceptions
2017-02-23T10:17:17 < ohsix> guh samsung shit is risky-weird
2017-02-23T10:17:30 < ohsix> need a new tablet, but i dont' want to get new, samsung specific problems
2017-02-23T10:19:55 < upgrdman> wtf is the point of this ide. so people can make lots of wanker interfaces that remind us of the macromedia flash web era?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKuuDtEMjpk
2017-02-23T10:20:11 < ohsix> blek, the ones cheap in a costco promo is only 1024x768 olol
2017-02-23T10:21:18 < ohsix> upgrdman: yes
2017-02-23T10:21:32 < ohsix> it's competing with unity and clutter olol
2017-02-23T10:21:47 < ohsix> (the latter just being a scene graph thing, the former being the shit people do that stuff in typically)
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2017-02-23T10:23:15 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-23T10:23:46 < ohsix> looks kind of ok tho
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2017-02-23T10:24:01 < dongs> is this anothe clion link
2017-02-23T10:24:11 < ohsix> dunno anyone working in that space looking for an animation package
2017-02-23T10:24:21 < ohsix> they'll just do shit with buttmaps and models and regular crap
2017-02-23T10:24:33 < ohsix> the artists don't have a problem using regular 3d packages
2017-02-23T10:28:23 < dongs> pretty sure amd users cant even run flash
2017-02-23T10:29:53 < dongs> steve being a fucking cunt gave himself cancer
2017-02-23T10:31:24 < ohsix> steven being a CUCK gave him cancer
2017-02-23T10:31:27 < ohsix> CANCUCK
2017-02-23T10:32:57 < ohsix> miscegcomputation
2017-02-23T10:34:00 < ohsix> https://static.rapidonline.com/catalogueimages/Product/S86-0367P01WM.jpg i need to know the names of this type of stripper so i can find the dirt cheap ones
2017-02-23T10:34:02 < ohsix> :<
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2017-02-23T10:43:31 < dongs> so I need a not F103 that I can buy 1k monthly
2017-02-23T10:44:17 < dongs> thats what im tryin to figure out
2017-02-23T10:44:27 < dongs> something smaller/cheaper
2017-02-23T10:44:42 < dongs> STM32F051K6U6 lookin at something like that
2017-02-23T10:45:07 < dongs> i would just use stm8 but I dont wanna dick around with shitty stvp
2017-02-23T10:45:23 < dongs> that thing will literally be replacing a 74hc157
2017-02-23T10:45:26 < dongs> + couple other things
2017-02-23T10:46:07 < dongs> no
2017-02-23T10:48:28 < dongs> it doesn't so much, availability does
2017-02-23T10:48:37 < dongs> but F103 to blink leds is a bit much
2017-02-23T10:48:44 < dongs> plus its too big
2017-02-23T10:49:32 < dongs> time to troll
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2017-02-23T11:14:00 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZgxeX2dCnQ
2017-02-23T11:19:18 < Thorn> http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv crs10 approaching iss
2017-02-23T11:21:47 < dongs> thanks Thorn 
2017-02-23T11:27:00 < Steffanx> Hoo
2017-02-23T11:28:50 < Steffanx> Hello.
2017-02-23T11:32:19 < Thorn> is it me or is the dragon flashing SOS?
2017-02-23T11:33:12 < Thorn> ... --- ...
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2017-02-23T11:51:02 < Fleck> forrest mims?
2017-02-23T11:51:10 < Fleck> those are nice!
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2017-02-23T11:57:06 < Fleck> same
2017-02-23T11:57:15 < Fleck> have pdfs
2017-02-23T11:57:57 < Thorn> how do you use those ardweeno ultrasonic sensors? are they suitable for both tx and rx? what voltage do you drive them with? (some "datasheet" said up to 20Vrms) do you need to amplify the rx output?
2017-02-23T11:59:06 < Fleck> ghh
2017-02-23T11:59:14 < dongs> Thorn: wat, i thought they're all already ready to go
2017-02-23T11:59:42 < Thorn> I've got a pair of US1640 http://www.futurlec.com/Ultrasonic_Sensors.shtml
2017-02-23T11:59:53 < dongs> o those
2017-02-23T11:59:54 < dongs> good luck
2017-02-23T12:00:20 < Thorn> there are boards with 2 sensors and some ICs
2017-02-23T12:00:23 < dongs> Thorn: http://www.ebay.com/itm/400985326881 this is what you should have bought
2017-02-23T12:00:27 < dongs> note price
2017-02-23T12:00:33 < dongs> and the fact that its a COMPLETE FUCKING THING
2017-02-23T12:00:38 < dongs> that doesnt require any autism to use
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2017-02-23T12:02:39 < dongs> pretty nice video on the nasa thing
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2017-02-23T12:07:17 < Thorn> ok thanks
2017-02-23T12:13:56 < Jak_o_Shadows> Got a little TL-703N router today! It's in chinese still
2017-02-23T12:14:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> Tiny little USB powered router
2017-02-23T12:15:06 < dongs> The TL-WR703N is a 3G travel router that has become a hit with the hacking community due its low cost, compact size and the ease at which it can be re-purposed. This post covers initial experiences with the hardware and configuring it to use the OpenWRT Linux distribution.
2017-02-23T12:15:10 < dongs> ... no.
2017-02-23T12:15:13 < Jak_o_Shadows> Like, 6x6x2cm
2017-02-23T12:15:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> dongs, tbh, I mostly want it as a router.
2017-02-23T12:15:42 < dongs> you want some 100mhz thing to route your internet packets?
2017-02-23T12:15:47 < dongs> i guess if your uplink is a modem it'll do just fine..
2017-02-23T12:16:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> This is for the shed, so it's not as if it'll get a lot of use
2017-02-23T12:17:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> Like, the 3D printer is going to be connected to it
2017-02-23T12:18:03 < Jak_o_Shadows> yeah
2017-02-23T12:18:34 < dongs> no, he's still "hacking" it
2017-02-23T12:18:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, it has printed stuff.
2017-02-23T12:18:51 < dongs> recompiling grbl.ino
2017-02-23T12:19:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> Sure, it hasn't paid for itself, but some of the stuff I've printed couldn't be made feasibly at home any other way
2017-02-23T12:19:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> But aren't important enough to send away to shapeways
2017-02-23T12:19:30 < dongs> i own a 3d printer
2017-02-23T12:19:36 < dongs> i have yet to figure out waht hte fuck i can print on it
2017-02-23T12:19:39 < dongs> yes
2017-02-23T12:20:17 < Jak_o_Shadows> Stewart platform? Joystick handles? '
2017-02-23T12:20:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> Endcaps for piping that cost $4 each for some reason
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2017-02-23T12:23:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's more sensible than a home CNC or laser cutter
2017-02-23T12:23:59 < Jak_o_Shadows> ?
2017-02-23T12:25:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> Erm. Sort of. Expand?
2017-02-23T12:27:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeeeah. THe eggexecute evolution with a long neck? Just no.
2017-02-23T12:30:36 < dongs> 5 mins to capture
2017-02-23T12:30:38 < dongs> point
2017-02-23T12:30:48 < dongs> crt, you fucking suck at trolling when youre stoned
2017-02-23T12:30:56 < dongs> (which seems to be, all the time
2017-02-23T12:41:16 < dongs> haha that arm is moving just as slow as the other shit
2017-02-23T12:42:19 < dongs> http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv this shit?
2017-02-23T12:42:54 < dongs> they';'re moving englishman-arm
2017-02-23T12:44:01 < dongs> 1 meter
2017-02-23T12:44:29 < dongs> 10cm
2017-02-23T12:44:35 < dongs> fuck they missed it
2017-02-23T12:45:25 < dongs> all of them
2017-02-23T12:56:43 < Ecco> What happens when you power a brand new, non-flashed STM32?
2017-02-23T12:56:57 < dongs> it does nothing
2017-02-23T12:57:00 < Ecco> Is the behavior guaranteed to be consistent?
2017-02-23T12:57:11 < Ecco> well, nothing as in "all pins hi-Z"?
2017-02-23T12:57:13 < dongs> sure, they're guaranteed to do nothing
2017-02-23T12:57:15 < dongs> yes
2017-02-23T12:57:17 < dongs> of course
2017-02-23T12:57:20 < Ecco> I guess it turns on somewhat?
2017-02-23T12:57:27 < Ecco> So it draws some power
2017-02-23T12:57:38 < dongs> datasheet mentions reset state
2017-02-23T12:58:07 < Ecco> Yea, but reset state != factory default firmware, right?
2017-02-23T12:58:17 < dongs> there is no factory default firmware
2017-02-23T12:58:26 < Ecco> well the flash must read out to something…
2017-02-23T12:58:27 < dongs> why are you autisming over this what is the actual questoin
2017-02-23T12:58:34 < dongs> no, it will read out to FF
2017-02-23T12:58:37 < dongs> its BLANK
2017-02-23T12:58:43 < Ecco> so it reads out to FF :-)
2017-02-23T12:58:44 < Ecco> Ok
2017-02-23T12:58:44 < dongs> thats why its called BRAND NEW NON-FLASHED STM32
2017-02-23T12:58:46 < Ecco> :-D
2017-02-23T12:58:54 < Ecco> Yeah ok, so the STM32 will execute this
2017-02-23T12:59:02 < Ecco> So most likely it'll crash very soon
2017-02-23T12:59:12 < Ecco> read 0xFFFFFFF as reset vector
2017-02-23T12:59:14 < Ecco> jump there
2017-02-23T12:59:20 < Ecco> tries to decode 0xFFFFFFF
2017-02-23T12:59:27 < Ecco> I have no idea what instruction that decodes to
2017-02-23T12:59:41 < dongs> AUTISM R0, R1
2017-02-23T12:59:46 < Ecco> :-D
2017-02-23T12:59:55 < Ecco> Well how is that not a legitimate question?
2017-02-23T13:00:08 < dongs> why are you asking it
2017-02-23T13:00:24 < dongs> if you want to make sure some pins are in a known state, you use pullup/down resistors
2017-02-23T13:00:24 < Ecco> I'm just curious about the power usage of an STM32 that hasn't been flashed
2017-02-23T13:00:32 < Ecco> yeah
2017-02-23T13:00:35 < dongs> about 8mA @ 5V
2017-02-23T13:00:40 < dongs> +-
2017-02-23T13:00:42 < dongs> i dont really know
2017-02-23T13:00:50 < dongs> its normal power draw of a running core
2017-02-23T13:00:50 < Ecco> Also I'm curious about what it does
2017-02-23T13:00:52 < dongs> and peripherals off
2017-02-23T13:00:54 < Ecco> ok
2017-02-23T13:01:02 < dongs> put it on debugger and find out
2017-02-23T13:01:07 < Ecco> Yeah, I could
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2017-02-23T13:01:19 < Ecco> I assumed someone would have already done that
2017-02-23T13:01:31 < Ecco> most likelly it'll keep crashing and reseting, over and over again
2017-02-23T13:01:56 < dongs> why would it reset on crash
2017-02-23T13:02:09 < dongs> crt, well, you do wehn you assemble the board
2017-02-23T13:02:13 < dongs> unless youre zano
2017-02-23T13:02:22 < dongs> then you buy a programmer
2017-02-23T13:02:24 < dongs> and flash them before mounting
2017-02-23T13:02:28 < dongs> because ~reasons~
2017-02-23T13:02:50 < dongs> of course they do
2017-02-23T13:03:00 < dongs> and I bet its cheaper than buying a $20k production programmer
2017-02-23T13:03:02 < Ecco> wait why would you flash MCUs before mounting them?
2017-02-23T13:03:22 < Ecco> ?
2017-02-23T13:03:35 < dongs> google opinion rewards
2017-02-23T13:03:38 < dongs> question 1:
2017-02-23T13:03:41 < dongs> are you aware of samsung
2017-02-23T13:03:42 < dongs> yes/no
2017-02-23T13:03:47 < Ecco> :-D
2017-02-23T13:03:52 < Ecco> I still don't get it though
2017-02-23T13:03:54 < dongs> ..
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2017-02-23T13:03:56 < dongs> that was the only question
2017-02-23T13:03:59 < dongs> $0.10 is mine
2017-02-23T13:04:15 < Ecco> hmm, ok, sorry to have bothered…
2017-02-23T13:04:46 < Ecco> :-)
2017-02-23T13:11:54 < dongs> do YOU
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2017-02-23T13:14:44 < Steffanx> I "own" a ##stm32
2017-02-23T13:14:59 < dongs> but do you stm32
2017-02-23T13:15:02 < dongs> or just troll
2017-02-23T13:15:05 < dongs> i just troll :(
2017-02-23T13:15:34 < Steffanx> I lpc
2017-02-23T13:15:43 < dongs> terrible
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2017-02-23T13:25:38 < Laurenceb_> hello
2017-02-23T13:25:57 < Steffanx> Its me.
2017-02-23T13:26:25 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx spotted http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/27/10/2919D22C00000578-3098876-image-a-12_1432718913512.jpg
2017-02-23T13:27:10 < dongs> i got another one going for first +q
2017-02-23T13:27:17 < dongs> Time-to-+Q
2017-02-23T13:28:14 < Steffanx> Im sorry i photo bombed your mom in my pinguin suite laurenceb_
2017-02-23T13:28:53 < Laurenceb_> looks moar like you moderating this channel
2017-02-23T13:29:16 < Laurenceb_> D O M I N A N T
2017-02-23T13:30:27 < dongs> rageberry pi fucktards
2017-02-23T13:30:36 < dongs> put a fucking I2C GPIO expander
2017-02-23T13:30:39 < dongs> on compute module
2017-02-23T13:30:45 < dongs> ...
2017-02-23T13:30:58 < dongs> for TWO GPIOS
2017-02-23T13:31:08 < dongs> TWO
2017-02-23T13:31:12 < dongs> they're connecting it by I2C
2017-02-23T13:31:16 < dongs> using TWO PINS
2017-02-23T13:31:18 < Laurenceb_> lelz
2017-02-23T13:31:22 < dongs> ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
2017-02-23T13:35:12 < BrainDamage> crt: https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder320/500x/75797320.jpg
2017-02-23T13:35:25 < dongs> yes
2017-02-23T13:35:30 < dongs> almost as good as autism.gif
2017-02-23T13:35:57 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx seems to have gone, everyone post seals
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2017-02-23T13:38:11 < dongs> haha oh wow. they actually DID reuse the SAME EXACT 2 pins
2017-02-23T13:38:20 < dongs> beacuse it has I2C bus on them i guess
2017-02-23T13:38:25 < Laurenceb_> this is the only place I'm not banned from for sealposting
2017-02-23T13:39:02 < Laurenceb_> b& from all the chans now
2017-02-23T13:41:27 < sync_> nice dongs 
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2017-02-23T13:45:22 < dongs> ##stonertronics
2017-02-23T13:48:41 < kakimir> nice douge
2017-02-23T13:49:34 < kakimir> good I think
2017-02-23T13:50:38 < Steffanx> Just fuck off laurenceb_. I did not even look at your 8ch crap. Just instant +q
2017-02-23T13:51:11 < dongs> lols
2017-02-23T13:52:50 < BrainDamage> even perkin elmer went officially stoners: http://www.perkinelmer.co.uk/lab-solutions/resources/docs/APP_Optimization-Cannabis-Fourier-Transform-Mid-Infrared-Spec_012596_01.pdf
2017-02-23T13:54:19 < dongs> fast furry transfer
2017-02-23T13:57:08 < Laurenceb_> lel once it was legalised everyone is interested
2017-02-23T13:58:02 < Laurenceb_> did you take the brown pill?
2017-02-23T13:59:59 < Laurenceb_> http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/slashx/images/d/d0/Main.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140804174124
2017-02-23T14:00:13 < Laurenceb_> align ur chakras to emit healing energy
2017-02-23T14:01:43 < Laurenceb_> hahaha
2017-02-23T14:03:20 < Laurenceb_>  > girlfriend 
2017-02-23T14:03:23 < Laurenceb_>  > crt
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2017-02-23T14:10:28 < Laurenceb_> urbandictionary was accurate
2017-02-23T14:12:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hiya flyback
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2017-02-23T14:16:44 < Laurenceb_> I think he really is autistic
2017-02-23T14:16:52 < Laurenceb_>  > hangs of ##stm32 for years
2017-02-23T14:16:56 < Laurenceb_> *on
2017-02-23T14:17:14 < Laurenceb_>  > finally gets round to reading first page of datasheet and thinks we are interested
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2017-02-23T14:23:59 < Steffanx> I know more here that have some kind of autism.
2017-02-23T14:24:09 < Steffanx> Maybe everyone here.
2017-02-23T14:25:06 < kakimir> but you?
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2017-02-23T14:36:49 < kakimir> is they some way to switch betweeen 2 lines of code with one button in eclipse?
2017-02-23T14:37:07 < kakimir> press button and it jumps back and forth
2017-02-23T14:37:36 < kakimir> in case you are like copying something to something else
2017-02-23T14:37:57 < kakimir> or some other scenario
2017-02-23T14:41:05 < kakimir> you are triggering me!
2017-02-23T14:43:40 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/website-management/there-all-need-Payoneer-Neteller/
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2017-02-23T14:54:13 < dongs> http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Philly-man-lied-about-kidnapped-child-to-make-police-work-harder-to-find-his-stolen-car-.html murica
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2017-02-23T14:58:35 < kakimir> smart
2017-02-23T15:08:03 < dongs> what the shit
2017-02-23T15:08:14 < dongs> rageberry "foundation" is a registered UK charity
2017-02-23T15:08:22 < dongs> these faggots must be laundering fucking millions
2017-02-23T15:08:33 < dongs> charity my fucking ass
2017-02-23T15:09:18 < englishman> https://www.raspberrypi.org/files/about/RaspberryPiFoundationReport2015.pdf
2017-02-23T15:09:29 < englishman> 2.7m gbp
2017-02-23T15:09:34 < englishman> yeah theres some money missing there
2017-02-23T15:09:54 < dongs> thats their "profit"??
2017-02-23T15:10:00 < dongs> net income
2017-02-23T15:10:03 < dongs> what
2017-02-23T15:10:21 < englishman> 8.7mgbp income
2017-02-23T15:10:21 < englishman> net
2017-02-23T15:10:29 < englishman> in 2015
2017-02-23T15:10:53 < dongs> 1.3m on 'charitable activities'
2017-02-23T15:10:57 < englishman> seems low doesnt it
2017-02-23T15:11:07 < englishman> havent they sold millions of rageberripi
2017-02-23T15:11:09 < dongs> arent they shipping literally millions
2017-02-23T15:11:11 < dongs> of these things
2017-02-23T15:11:11 < dongs> yes
2017-02-23T15:11:27 < dongs> even if they only shipped a million of them that would be something like 25mil in sales/
2017-02-23T15:11:46 < kakimir> why eclipse is so lazy
2017-02-23T15:12:06 < kakimir> I hover mouse over some function call and it barelly bothers
2017-02-23T15:12:55 < kakimir> then it's like "yeah okay here you have the function prototype but I won't tell you anything else"
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2017-02-23T15:17:23 < kakimir> but print it out in such big font it won't fit and needs to be scrolled
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2017-02-23T15:36:48 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTXJOZ3Zubzh0M0E/view?usp=sharing getting smart automation going
2017-02-23T15:37:43 < kakimir> only if it just could do hashing commands and collision tests compile time
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2017-02-23T15:39:16 < kakimir> hmm I need semicolon in hash macro not a comma
2017-02-23T15:39:37 < kakimir> also type
2017-02-23T15:40:02 < kakimir> unless list that I will use then it's correct
2017-02-23T15:40:13 < kakimir> that is why I had count commands macro
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2017-02-23T15:40:59 < zhivko> I want to use pwm on stm32f3... I am looking at sample code and I see they use: TIM1 update interrupt, every PWM cycle: TIM1_UP_IRQHandler(){} - I generated code with cubemx and I dont see a way how to useis or where can I setup this in coe th
2017-02-23T15:41:05 < zhivko> in code.
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2017-02-23T15:43:36 < Thorn> you don't need interrupts, you can use output compare
2017-02-23T15:44:41 < kakimir> I need struct that hase all the commands
2017-02-23T15:48:23 < zhivko> So pwm should work without this?
2017-02-23T15:48:33 < zhivko> thorn: interrupt?
2017-02-23T15:49:43 < Thorn> timers (except "basic" ones) can drive pins on their own, if that IRQHander toggles a pin it's not needed
2017-02-23T15:50:55 < kakimir> all timers that have "PWM functionality" can keep static pwm output on forever without core even running
2017-02-23T15:51:08 < kakimir> once you set it
2017-02-23T15:51:40 < kakimir> static meaning unchanging frequency and duty%
2017-02-23T15:51:54 < zhivko> so this is enough?    __HAL_TIM_SetCompare(&htim1, TIM_CHANNEL_1, pwm/100 * PWM_RES);
2017-02-23T15:52:10 < Ecco> I'm looking at a Li-Ion charge profile, and quite don't understand how a battery behaves
2017-02-23T15:52:28 < Thorn> is there anyone here who actually knows HAL? lol
2017-02-23T15:52:34 < zhivko> I mean I should be able to change duty just with this call?
2017-02-23T15:52:37 < Ecco> First part of the charge profile is easy : charger forces a constant current, so battery voltage goes up
2017-02-23T15:52:40 < Ecco> so far, so good
2017-02-23T15:52:57 < Ecco> Now the charger says that at 4.2 it switches to constant voltage
2017-02-23T15:53:03 < Thorn> to change duty cycle you assign to CCxR iirc
2017-02-23T15:53:35 < Ecco> but it keeps pushing some current into the device
2017-02-23T15:53:42 < Ecco> How comes the battery still draws some current?
2017-02-23T15:54:20 < Ecco> Oh, I know: because it as at 4.2V *when it is being fed*. If you remove it from the charger it'd drop in voltage
2017-02-23T15:54:23 < Ecco> sorry :)
2017-02-23T15:54:49 < zhivko> yes for ch1 id does: ((__HANDLE__)->Instance->CCR1
2017-02-23T15:54:56 < zhivko> yes for ch1 id does change: ((__HANDLE__)->Instance->CCR1
2017-02-23T15:55:06 < Thorn> sounds like it
2017-02-23T15:56:28 < kakimir> I just realized how X macro works it's really smart
2017-02-23T15:56:29 < zhivko> ok... now i am discovering where this cubemx code generator sets pins to be used with PWM...
2017-02-23T15:56:32 < kakimir> it just replaces X
2017-02-23T15:56:59 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/87ff679a2f/3946.png
2017-02-23T15:57:02 < zhivko> funny
2017-02-23T15:57:03 < Laurenceb_> DJ Trump
2017-02-23T15:57:05 < kakimir> X is where you butt the macro you want to perform
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2017-02-23T15:59:03 < zhivko> Ah.. found it (in HAL_TIM_MspPostInit) :)
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2017-02-23T16:00:52 < Thorn> this is how I do timers https://paste.ofcode.org/JwbWsqL9qeh8tH2pbfixZ9
2017-02-23T16:04:26 < Laurenceb_> heh me 2
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2017-02-23T16:12:18 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: Do you think the ADALM1000 could be used to simulate a Li-Ion battery?
2017-02-23T16:12:31 < Ecco> I'd like to test the charging circuitry
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2017-02-23T16:17:52 < kakimir> lipo simulator.. interesting
2017-02-23T16:18:10 < kakimir> could be useful to not blow yourself up with bigger packs
2017-02-23T16:18:32 < kakimir> limited energy
2017-02-23T16:18:48 < kakimir> same power and function
2017-02-23T16:25:50 < kakimir> how do i set all the variables inside struct at once?
2017-02-23T16:25:54 < kakimir> and by name
2017-02-23T16:26:14 < kakimir> there is no reason
2017-02-23T16:26:29 < Thorn> struct = {.field = 1; };
2017-02-23T16:26:37 < kakimir> okay it requires point?
2017-02-23T16:26:38 < Thorn> c++ can't do that
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2017-02-23T16:26:47 < kakimir> and semicolon also no comma?
2017-02-23T16:26:56 < kakimir> interesting
2017-02-23T16:27:18 < Thorn> that is not by nake
2017-02-23T16:27:28 < Thorn> *name
2017-02-23T16:27:30 < Thorn> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Designated-Inits.html
2017-02-23T16:27:54 < Thorn> comma, not semicolon
2017-02-23T16:28:36 < Thorn> ok and is that not at once?
2017-02-23T16:29:02 < Thorn> >and by name
2017-02-23T16:29:08 < kakimir> I have macro to spit all the NAME = somethin there and it does syntax error atm.
2017-02-23T16:30:15 < kakimir> #define HASH_COMMANDS_MACRO(NAME,STRING) .NAME = hash32(STRING),
2017-02-23T16:30:43 < kakimir> 	OVEN_CONTROLLER_COMMANDS_STRUCT OVEN_CONTROLLER_COMMANDS;//Make global variable
2017-02-23T16:30:43 < kakimir> inline void initialize_commands(){							//Function to initialize command array values
2017-02-23T16:30:46 < kakimir> 	OVEN_CONTROLLER_COMMANDS = {OVEN_CONTROLLER_COMMANDS_X_MACRO(HASH_COMMANDS_MACRO)};
2017-02-23T16:31:45 < kakimir> very nice macros
2017-02-23T16:32:26 < kakimir> I don't undestand that level stuff
2017-02-23T16:34:23 < kakimir> I do not have problem giving names to things
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2017-02-23T16:36:00 < kakimir> I will use C++ when I need C++
2017-02-23T16:36:06 < kakimir> and this is not that level of stuff I should
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2017-02-23T16:37:21 < kakimir> crusader++
2017-02-23T16:38:03 < kakimir> just jump over c++ to c hashtag
2017-02-23T16:39:46 < kakimir> why not?
2017-02-23T16:40:09 < kakimir> they say there is support for it currently
2017-02-23T16:42:52 < Thorn> ther is .net micro framework or something
2017-02-23T16:43:05 < Thorn> <Thorn> can I do something like this?  template<T> for(handler: handlers) if (handler) handler->T();
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2017-02-23T16:45:14 < Thorn> that was pseudocode. of course there is going to be typename and void foo() { ... }
2017-02-23T16:45:37 < Thorn> the question is, can you template a member function name like that
2017-02-23T16:46:17 < kakimir>  OVEN_CONTROLLER_COMMANDS = (OVEN_CONTROLLER_COMMANDS_STRUCT){ OVEN_CONTROLLER_COMMANDS_X_MACRO(HASH_COMMANDS_MACRO) };
2017-02-23T16:46:32 < kakimir> this doesn't create error
2017-02-23T16:46:48 < Thorn> exactly
2017-02-23T16:49:50 < kakimir> nobody undestands
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2017-02-23T16:53:50 < zhivko> I am trying to make little puppy to work: https://goo.gl/photos/oYxc3CB673qgxcAM7
2017-02-23T16:54:25 < kakimir> I'm not changing language in middle project
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2017-02-23T16:56:23 < kakimir> is there a way to "lock" variable after you write value to it?
2017-02-23T16:56:31 < Thorn> https://ideone.com/6vVrqX
2017-02-23T16:58:28 < zhivko> I am using stm32f3 and I found out that I need to put HAL_Delay(1) between to consequent HAL_GPIO_ReadPin(BUTTON2_GPIO_Port, BUTTON2_Pin) commands - to be able to properly read pin... Why is that?
2017-02-23T16:59:02 < Thorn> define "properly". what happens without the delay?
2017-02-23T16:59:15 < zhivko> If I dont use HAL_Delay - I do not read proper value of pin
2017-02-23T16:59:41 < zhivko> so if my button is pressed I get value as not pressed..
2017-02-23T16:59:50 < Thorn> the button is bouncing?
2017-02-23T17:00:04 < zhivko> I use counting technique to bounce it
2017-02-23T17:00:35 < zhivko> so if it is pressed I count it and if count is > 10 then I consider it as pressed.
2017-02-23T17:00:55 < Thorn> count of what? cycles in a tight loop?
2017-02-23T17:02:09 < zhivko> https://github.com/zhivko/EclipseStm32/blob/master/Src/main.c#L214-L243
2017-02-23T17:02:22 < zhivko> count of loop loop :)
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2017-02-23T17:02:57 < zhivko> yes button is bouncing (as I saw it on scope)...
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2017-02-23T17:05:08 < Thorn> well it may simply iterate too fast without the delay
2017-02-23T17:06:03 < zhivko> iterate for what? I just need to read another pin on same port
2017-02-23T17:13:31 < Thorn> well I've never heard of a pin being read wrong because of two reads one after another
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2017-02-23T17:18:46 < Thorn> is this good http://www.springer.com/la/book/9783642429156
2017-02-23T17:23:15 < Fleck> Thorn: http://www.learncpp.com/
2017-02-23T17:24:47 < Thorn> I know those sites lol
2017-02-23T17:25:18 < Fleck> it does not help to know sites, you need to know content too :p
2017-02-23T17:25:26 < Thorn> looking for stuff specifically related to deep embedded
2017-02-23T17:25:40 < Thorn> you mean I actually have to click the links?
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2017-02-23T17:27:28 < Thorn> I don't trust myself when it comes to c++
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2017-02-23T17:28:32 < Thorn> thers is also this https://htrd.su/wiki/_media/zhurnal/2013/03/28/scott_meyers._effective_c_in_an_embedded_environment/effectcppemb.pdf
2017-02-23T17:28:43 < Thorn> but it's pre-0x and slides only
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2017-02-23T17:29:48 < Thorn> I think he abandoned c++ altogether?
2017-02-23T17:30:06 < Thorn> or was it some other guru
2017-02-23T17:32:12 < Steffanx> All this PHP hate..
2017-02-23T17:32:26 < Steffanx> When will you go C#?
2017-02-23T17:33:20 < Thorn> I'm using virtual functions in my usb driver
2017-02-23T17:33:27 < Laurenceb_> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/racism-simulator/dmjhkebiknajjcgfjcfaefladmonilah
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2017-02-23T17:38:17 < aandrew> I know just enough C++ to be dangerous. As soon as you start talking about templates and stuff I start failing
2017-02-23T17:39:22 < Steffanx> Kinda everyone does, just too scared to admit.
2017-02-23T17:40:48 < Steffanx> They are*
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2017-02-23T17:49:32 < rcc> everybody knows that only faggots use templates
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2017-02-23T17:50:54 < jadew`> C FTW
2017-02-23T17:51:29 < jadew`> then I shall practice!
2017-02-23T17:52:10 < Thorn> I want PL/I and/or ada back
2017-02-23T17:52:25 < BrainDamage> jaden smith: you need a obex client to get the files
2017-02-23T17:52:47 < BrainDamage> for the bluetooth file transfer
2017-02-23T17:52:59 < jadew`> you're talking about my linux question?
2017-02-23T17:53:12 < BrainDamage> yes
2017-02-23T17:53:13 < jadew`> I was hoping for something simple
2017-02-23T17:53:17 < jadew`> a widget
2017-02-23T17:53:26 < jadew`> on windows I do right click => receive file
2017-02-23T17:53:45 < BrainDamage> on kde it works out the box
2017-02-23T17:54:27 < BrainDamage> ada is actually widely used in the aviation industry
2017-02-23T17:54:38 < Thorn> airbus seems to think otherwise
2017-02-23T17:55:04 < BrainDamage> actually the type safety and boundary checks of ada arecool
2017-02-23T17:55:30 < Thorn> even basic integer math in ada is 1000% saner than in c[++]
2017-02-23T17:56:44 < Laurenceb_> hmm too much wind to test
2017-02-23T17:57:39 < Laurenceb_> no moar rocket shit today
2017-02-23T17:57:42 < Laurenceb_> https://ibin.co/3DOmeQcDtPak.png
2017-02-23T17:58:37 < Laurenceb_> I ran a test on a stand with strain gauge https://ibin.co/3DOmvbHMW7Kk.png
2017-02-23T18:00:03 < Laurenceb_> that reminds me, I should learn Ada
2017-02-23T18:00:33 < Thorn> modula is not functional
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2017-02-23T18:21:21 < aandrew> I remember getting a Prolog book at age 10 or so
2017-02-23T18:21:29 < aandrew> I was excited to learn it becuase the book was about AI and prolog
2017-02-23T18:21:41 < aandrew> so I thought prolog was kind of a ready-built brain language
2017-02-23T18:21:44 < aandrew> how wrong I was...
2017-02-23T18:22:03 < aandrew> IIRC borland had a prolog compiler
2017-02-23T18:22:18 < jadew> I was trying to build AI in pascal
2017-02-23T18:22:33 < jadew> I thought it could answer all the questions
2017-02-23T18:23:41 < jadew> heh, yeah
2017-02-23T18:24:30 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-02-23T18:25:20 < branjb> why is there no global interrupt for tim1?
2017-02-23T18:26:41 < Thorn> tim1 is too advanced to have just one interrupt
2017-02-23T18:28:02 < jadew> this is weird
2017-02-23T18:28:07 < branjb> o
2017-02-23T18:28:18 < jadew> my switch stopped negotiating 1 Gbps connections
2017-02-23T18:28:23 < jadew> with my router
2017-02-23T18:28:26 < Thorn> code for the book is on github, has been updated since the book was published and even supports stm32 discos, unbelievable https://github.com/ckormanyos/real-time-cpp
2017-02-23T18:28:47 < branjb> ty
2017-02-23T18:30:15 < branjb> yeah I found it after being less lazy
2017-02-23T18:30:48 < Thorn> arm before cortex had only 2 interrupts: IRQ and FIQ iirc
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2017-02-23T18:33:31 < branjb> it is pretty fun
2017-02-23T18:34:29 < Laurenceb_> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/23/rentokil_1300_pound_iot_mousetrap/
2017-02-23T18:34:34 < Laurenceb_> lul PA consulting
2017-02-23T18:34:39 < Laurenceb_> I've worked for them
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2017-02-23T18:35:40 < branjb> "where's my cat?"
2017-02-23T18:37:11 < kakimir> hey my forward backward buttons in mouse do something with code
2017-02-23T18:38:51 < Laurenceb_> PA consulting are full of BS, other employees even tried to bullshit me it was mental
2017-02-23T18:40:44 < Laurenceb_> me: "are you sure 3d printing is going to work for high pressure pneumatic components??"
2017-02-23T18:40:53 < Laurenceb_> other dude: "dude weed lmao"
2017-02-23T18:41:06 < Laurenceb_> me: "repeats question"
2017-02-23T18:41:25 < Laurenceb_> other dude: "3d printing is daf future, TRUST ME"
2017-02-23T18:43:32 < Laurenceb_> other dude sends me a video of part apparently working fine
2017-02-23T18:43:57 < Laurenceb_> I turn up at office in cornwall (~250miles away)
2017-02-23T18:44:10 < Laurenceb_> part leaks everywhere as its porous
2017-02-23T18:44:33 < Laurenceb_> and it turns out the video was faked using adjusted pressure gauges and all sort of zano style bullshit
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2017-02-23T18:45:18 < emeb> there are many truths
2017-02-23T18:45:21 < englishman> On 7 February 2017 the former NXP Standard Product business became a new company with the
2017-02-23T18:45:21 < englishman> tradename Nexperia.
2017-02-23T18:45:26 < englishman> ugh gotta rename these libs
2017-02-23T18:45:38 < englishman> whats with these awful company names :(
2017-02-23T18:45:55 < Laurenceb_> like why the fuck would you go to that effort to fake a video just to email to another employee as part of work project
2017-02-23T18:53:51 < englishman>  <Laurenceb_> other dude: "dude weed lmao"
2017-02-23T18:54:00 < englishman> a window into Laurenceb_'s perception of the world
2017-02-23T18:57:36 < Laurenceb_> PA consulting is full of stoners and general bullshitters
2017-02-23T18:57:50 < Laurenceb_> they sit in every client meeting just saying yes to every stupid idea
2017-02-23T18:58:17 < Laurenceb_> then deliver a fraction of what they promised, but add tons of bullshit business speak and graphics to cover for it
2017-02-23T18:58:30 < Laurenceb_> like zano the consultancy
2017-02-23T18:59:35 < Laurenceb_> about the only project they ever finished http://www.ligo.co.uk/img/products/main/2042x1750/00000846.jpg
2017-02-23T19:01:04 < Laurenceb_> but aiui the innards are generic from china, PA just did the BT branded casing
2017-02-23T19:01:29 < jadew> Laurenceb_, like "is built on Google Cloud and apparently had Agile techniques employed during its construction"
2017-02-23T19:01:34 < kakimir> how did I "" inside string?
2017-02-23T19:01:45 < kakimir> remind me
2017-02-23T19:01:46 < jadew> \"\"
2017-02-23T19:01:56 < jadew> ?
2017-02-23T19:01:59 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-23T19:02:01 < kakimir> thanks
2017-02-23T19:02:03 < jadew> np
2017-02-23T19:02:13 < Thorn> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/23/six-held-police-find-thousand-cannabis-plants-worth-1m-80s-nuclear/
2017-02-23T19:03:02 < Laurenceb_> genius
2017-02-23T19:03:36 < Laurenceb_> I went "urban exploring" down mines with some autists (and an islamist), thought that would be the perfect place to grow weed
2017-02-23T19:03:48 < jadew> is canabis the same thing as marijuana?
2017-02-23T19:03:59 < Laurenceb_> at the bottom of an abandoned mine
2017-02-23T19:04:30 < jadew> pretty sure it grows best in the open
2017-02-23T19:07:10 < jadew> ah, so canabis is the plant, marijuana is the crushed plant?
2017-02-23T19:12:56 < branjb> idgi
2017-02-23T19:13:04 < branjb> i hate tim1
2017-02-23T19:21:50 < branjb> kickstarter and gofundme are cancer
2017-02-23T19:21:58 < branjb> high tech pan handling
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2017-02-23T19:24:32 < Thorn> std::uint_fast8_t wat
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2017-02-23T19:32:30 < Thorn> https://www.amazon.com/Embedded-Systems-Real-Time-Operating-Microcontrollers/dp/1466468866
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2017-02-23T19:38:00 < aandrew> Thorn: you can get it online for free :-)
2017-02-23T19:39:00 < aandrew> sure, I probably ahve that too somewhere :-)
2017-02-23T19:39:33 < aandrew> agreed on that
2017-02-23T19:40:24 < jadew> the problem I have with reading this kind of books is that I have to go over a lot of information I already know
2017-02-23T19:40:42 < Thorn> fun fact: msp432 is cortex, not msp430
2017-02-23T19:42:03 < jadew> yeah, when you're new to something it's worth it
2017-02-23T19:45:02 < jadew> I like that sort of stuff too
2017-02-23T19:45:12 < jadew> a couple of months ago I started learning about the jewish bible :P
2017-02-23T19:46:08 < englishman> jadew: names for the same thing
2017-02-23T19:46:11 < englishman> cannabis is latin
2017-02-23T19:46:31 < jadew> thanks
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2017-02-23T19:46:40 < englishman> i guess marijuana is the smokeable buds
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2017-02-23T20:09:51 < englishman> dongs: https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/834734522059075585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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2017-02-23T20:17:59 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdU-oIQl4N8 attn englishman 
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2017-02-23T20:31:30 < zhivko> I am still trying to make stm32f3 generate pwm signal... I have code generated by cubemx, but still pwm is not apearing... Anybody that could quickly check my code? This seems really hard, but I guess it should not  be...
2017-02-23T20:32:39 < zhivko> I also followed http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/179546/getting-pwm-to-work-on-stm32f4-using-sts-hal-libraries/239783#239783 but pwm is still not there...
2017-02-23T20:33:03 < zhivko> I dont have any idea what to do more...
2017-02-23T20:33:31 < Thorn> did you set gpio to a proper af?
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2017-02-23T20:34:19 < zhivko> I used: MX_GPIO_Init generated by cubemx
2017-02-23T20:34:30 < zhivko> af?
2017-02-23T20:35:00 < Thorn> alternate function
2017-02-23T20:35:33 < zhivko> Thorn: hmmm... will check... but if cubefx hasn't do that...
2017-02-23T20:36:11 < zhivko> yes its there: GPIO_InitStruct.Alternate = GPIO_AF4_TIM1;
2017-02-23T20:37:18 < Fleck> zhivko: for stm32f1: https://hastebin.com/anedunewih.php
2017-02-23T20:38:51 < Fleck> TIM3, PWMs on PA6
2017-02-23T20:44:43 < zhivko> __GPIOC_CLK_ENABLE(); and _HAL_RCC_TIM1_CLK_ENABLE(); was missing in code generated with cubemx
2017-02-23T20:45:04 < zhivko> thanks Fleck - I need to try with this
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2017-02-23T20:49:33 < zhivko> no still nothing
2017-02-23T20:53:45 < zhivko> Question: is USBD_CDC_TransmitPacket asynchronous call ? It seems my code waits inside when I use debugger...
2017-02-23T20:55:00 < branjb> sanity check here.. using a stepper that is 200 steps per rev
2017-02-23T20:55:07 < branjb> i'm sending it 200 steps
2017-02-23T20:55:11 < branjb> fully revolves
2017-02-23T20:55:17 < branjb> pulse counter counting 201 pulses
2017-02-23T20:55:17 < branjb> ???
2017-02-23T20:56:10 < zhivko> is there cubemx pwm example somehwere?
2017-02-23T20:57:03 < Thorn> the only good thing about HAL is that it comes with a lot of examples
2017-02-23T20:57:29 < aandrew> a lot of shitty examples
2017-02-23T20:57:32 < aandrew> but yes, a lot of examples
2017-02-23T20:57:50 < Thorn> find where cube installs the HAL package and see the Projects dir
2017-02-23T20:57:52 < branjb> zhivko: https://github.com/cnoviello/mastering-stm32/blob/master/nucleo-f410RB/src/ch11/main-ex8.c
2017-02-23T21:00:34 < Thorn> live stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g01lou01xag
2017-02-23T21:16:48 < zhivko> Is it possible that I have some conflict among functions?
2017-02-23T21:16:49 < zhivko> https://goo.gl/photos/YUWncVw7EGF6W6LcA
2017-02-23T21:19:31 < zhivko> It doesn't offer me alternatives on left click
2017-02-23T21:19:46 < zhivko> on pwm1 & pwm2 - it offers alternatives only on other pins
2017-02-23T21:23:29 < zhivko> yes I see what you mean
2017-02-23T21:28:56 < zhivko> yes I git this
2017-02-23T21:29:08 < zhivko> but on left there is still some red text...
2017-02-23T21:29:22 < zhivko> like Actvate-Break-Input-2
2017-02-23T21:30:44 < zhivko> could this be reason why pwm is not working for me?
2017-02-23T21:30:45 < zhivko> https://goo.gl/photos/vhfQ6H84N4eqFrQU8
2017-02-23T21:31:26 < zhivko> what is difference with ch1 and ch1n ? and ch2 and ch2n ??
2017-02-23T21:32:32 < zhivko> brb for now will follow answers if..
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2017-02-23T22:06:04 < KreAture_> clock tree check
2017-02-23T22:06:18 < KreAture_> also, that is not enough to set up pwm
2017-02-23T22:06:31 < KreAture_> you need to set up the clock ref (period)
2017-02-23T22:06:36 < KreAture_> and the duty cycle
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2017-02-23T22:38:17 < zhivko> Hi  Kreature!
2017-02-23T22:38:31 < zhivko> clock tree check meaning what P?
2017-02-23T22:38:46 < zhivko> Clock Source = Internal Source
2017-02-23T22:38:51 < zhivko> is this not OK ?
2017-02-23T22:40:04 < zhivko> Where do I set clock ref in CubeMX ?
2017-02-23T22:41:45 < zhivko> This is my situation on clock tab: https://goo.gl/photos/Xf6WDDdzSA5QFXQe9
2017-02-23T22:43:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbkVqTGtlSGpkVDg/view?usp=sharing why does this old laptop not trust google.com. chrome is up to date, zero updated win7 starter
2017-02-23T22:43:35 < kakimir> I'm a bit paranoid about my network security
2017-02-23T22:44:05 < BrainDamage> is the time set correctly?
2017-02-23T22:44:09 < kakimir> ohhh
2017-02-23T22:44:27 < kakimir> it probably was not booted for years
2017-02-23T22:44:44 < BrainDamage> certificates have a validity time span, wrong time will create all sort of invalid certificate errors
2017-02-23T22:47:29 < kakimir> google has tighter standards for it because everything else seem to work okay?
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2017-02-23T23:02:09 < zhivko> does gpio mode for pwm needs to be push pull alternate, or alternate function open drain ?
2017-02-23T23:03:30 < zyp> either
2017-02-23T23:03:35 < zyp> depends what you want/need
2017-02-23T23:03:57 < zyp> unless you have special needs, you want push-pull
2017-02-23T23:06:30 < KreAture_> as long as alternate function is enabled pwm will drive the pin
2017-02-23T23:06:40 < KreAture_> the mode is dependant on what type of drive you want yes
2017-02-23T23:10:03 < zhivko> what means clock tree check  ?
2017-02-23T23:10:19 < zhivko> I posted picture of clock from cubemx - is this OK ?
2017-02-23T23:11:06 < zyp> zhivko, so anyway, let me guess, you forgot to enable the global output enable
2017-02-23T23:11:22 < zyp> I haven't read all you wrote, but that's how it sounds to me
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2017-02-23T23:13:50 < KreAture_> as I ansvered yes it is ok
2017-02-23T23:14:08 < KreAture_> zyp he has not configured the tab for the timer
2017-02-23T23:14:16 < KreAture_> no pulse or timebase
2017-02-23T23:14:20 < KreAture_> and not enabled timer
2017-02-23T23:14:40 < KreAture_> he can do that from main, via a bunch of commands
2017-02-23T23:14:46 < zhivko> zyp: "global output enable" ? I tried to write to pin with HAL_GPIOlem_WritePin and it toggles pin without prob
2017-02-23T23:14:50 < KreAture_> but if it is static to start with it is easier to see how
2017-02-23T23:14:55 < zhivko> zyp: "global output enable" ? I tried to write to pin with HAL_GPIOlem_Write and it toggles pin without prob
2017-02-23T23:16:42 < zhivko> Kreature_: here is my timer1 config: https://goo.gl/photos/tgGhs8pjLxC68nFX9
2017-02-23T23:17:43 < KreAture_> yes
2017-02-23T23:17:44 < KreAture_> as I said
2017-02-23T23:17:46 < KreAture_> no period
2017-02-23T23:18:06 < KreAture_> and none of the pcm channels have a pulse length
2017-02-23T23:18:11 < KreAture_> so they won't do anything
2017-02-23T23:18:23 < KreAture_> also, on the screen before this one you can tick the box enable
2017-02-23T23:18:31 < KreAture_> that will enable the actuall timer counting
2017-02-23T23:19:14 < zhivko> I see check there
2017-02-23T23:20:55 < zhivko> sorry.... what tick the box enable you are talking about ?
2017-02-23T23:21:09 < zhivko> I don't see any checkbot to enable timer :( sorry...
2017-02-23T23:23:04 < zhivko> OK I changed pulse to 1000
2017-02-23T23:23:31 < zhivko> but where the hell is this check box? :)
2017-02-23T23:25:13 < zhivko> is this the previous screen you are talking about? https://goo.gl/photos/U2sAEa3eBxr4CGMp7 I have timer1 checked here
2017-02-23T23:25:51 < kakimir> can I create like data block in ram and then throw it flash but access it like ram?
2017-02-23T23:26:14 < kakimir> like variable
2017-02-23T23:27:44 < kakimir> I need to create like help menu in uart interface
2017-02-23T23:27:49 < Steffanx> Sure you can. Store it in flash and get a pointer to the flash location. 
2017-02-23T23:27:53 < kakimir> so there is a lot of text
2017-02-23T23:28:08 < Steffanx> but why would you store that in ram in the first place?
2017-02-23T23:28:27 < kakimir> because it's created runtime because of macro reasons
2017-02-23T23:28:31 < kakimir> and automation
2017-02-23T23:28:34 < kakimir> and safety
2017-02-23T23:28:38 < kakimir> and checks
2017-02-23T23:30:27 < kakimir> maybe it doesn't have to be created runtime
2017-02-23T23:31:52 < kakimir> I will look into it
2017-02-23T23:32:14 < kakimir> definitelly it should update automatically as code is changed
2017-02-23T23:32:33 < upgrdman> so prepping my first pcb for assembly. never had to dick with BoM's before since i was DIYing hobby shit. what "parameters" should i always puts in an altium schematic symbol? manuf, manuf #, supplier, supplier # ... anything else?
2017-02-23T23:34:08 < kakimir> if I have like strings "heat<temperature-XXXX>for<time-ms-YYYY> Set thermostat target value in celsius degrees and set heat watchdog - return echo of command if no errors"
2017-02-23T23:34:34 < kakimir> is pointer to such const char* actually pointer to flash?
2017-02-23T23:34:57 < kakimir> or does it copy that bloat to ram altogether?
2017-02-23T23:36:17 < upgrdman> should point to flash assuming that string is a compile-time constant
2017-02-23T23:37:40 < KreAture_> The page with settings has multiple tabs
2017-02-23T23:42:59 < kakimir> I should then make it global constant
2017-02-23T23:43:03 < kakimir> try to
2017-02-23T23:43:33 < kakimir> some things I want to keep in ram like command hashes
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2017-02-24T00:12:26 < englishman> upgrdman: depends
2017-02-24T00:12:55 < englishman> i dont put supplier in altidumb, because that can change well after the schematic has been completed
2017-02-24T00:13:19 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-24T00:13:29 < englishman> and some parts can be "whatever" like resistors and basic caps etc
2017-02-24T00:13:57 < upgrdman> well 4pcb.com shows supplier and supplier pn in their example bom. should i do those manually then, or leave in altium?
2017-02-24T00:13:59 < englishman> unless you are doing some milspec or spaceshit and need to supplychain or whatever
2017-02-24T00:14:09 < upgrdman> ya nothing critical
2017-02-24T00:14:31 < englishman> you can leave them in altidumb
2017-02-24T00:14:35 < englishman> for reference etc
2017-02-24T00:14:48 < englishman> like a bunch of parts have same pn but multiple footprint
2017-02-24T00:15:00 < englishman> or slightl different pn with like -1 but completely different part
2017-02-24T00:15:07 < englishman> so supplier p/n helps clear up those problems
2017-02-24T00:16:08 < englishman> then just change it when you go to order
2017-02-24T00:16:18 < englishman> for those parts taht are 1/10 price in china
2017-02-24T00:16:51 < englishman> also why are you using china 4pcb for anything except hobby trash
2017-02-24T00:17:35 < englishman> no wait, 7pcb is the china one lel
2017-02-24T00:18:03 < englishman> do price compare with macrofab too
2017-02-24T00:18:14 < englishman> they invested quite a bit in automation
2017-02-24T00:18:42 < englishman> you wont have any questions about bom with their system
2017-02-24T00:23:55 < Rickta59> i saw one video, the guy used a big steak knife to cut that stuff
2017-02-24T00:25:07 < Rickta59> is this for you?
2017-02-24T00:25:20 < Rickta59> has she ever slept on one?
2017-02-24T00:25:52 < Rickta59> those types of mattresses
2017-02-24T00:26:41 < Rickta59> maybe that would be a reason she lived to 70
2017-02-24T00:27:01 < Rickta59> could be short cutting her life "upgrading"
2017-02-24T00:27:13 < Rickta59> the g/f here bought one .. and hated it
2017-02-24T00:27:42 < Rickta59> steal some wire from a 3d printer
2017-02-24T00:29:14 < Rickta59> the makerbot i had used 31awg .. with 12volts it got pretty hot
2017-02-24T00:30:59 < Rickta59> maybe 3 feet
2017-02-24T00:31:13 < Rickta59> yeah
2017-02-24T00:32:30 < Rickta59> looks like you can still buy it from ultimachine.com
2017-02-24T00:32:36 < Rickta59> https://ultimachine.com/products/31-awg-nichrome-wire
2017-02-24T00:32:49 < Rickta59> the hot end used to go to about 220C
2017-02-24T00:33:05 < BrainDamage> vapers drove the price of nichrome wire to nothing
2017-02-24T00:33:12 < BrainDamage> just buy vaper shit
2017-02-24T00:39:15 < Rickta59> how big is your cnc?
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2017-02-24T00:40:32 < Rickta59> he is sleeping .. you mean me?
2017-02-24T00:41:02 < Rickta59> hmmm .. flickr.com .. fail for me
2017-02-24T00:41:16 < Rickta59> ah .. there it is
2017-02-24T00:41:40 < Rickta59> what are you driving that with? an stm32?
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2017-02-24T00:42:53 < Rickta59> you are the second person this week to say they are using a mesa board
2017-02-24T00:47:12 < zhivko> LeelooMinai: check my cnc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jwv60G6mYU
2017-02-24T00:49:00 < Rickta59> that is on a beagleboard zhivko ?
2017-02-24T00:49:52 < Rickta59> ... ah yes just found another video
2017-02-24T00:52:03 < zhivko> yes I made the machine :) for cutting 6m pipes.
2017-02-24T00:52:18 < zhivko> rectangular custom dimension...
2017-02-24T00:52:32 < zhivko> Oh thank you god and ##stm32 channel...
2017-02-24T00:53:09 < zhivko> this fixed pwm on my cust board :) https://thepasteb.in/p/RghnErnPvP8Tz
2017-02-24T00:53:25 < zhivko> its very usefull
2017-02-24T00:53:38 < zhivko> you can do plenty of stuf with pipes...
2017-02-24T00:54:15 < zhivko> this for example: https://goo.gl/photos/oPTz57uHnXz23Xo77
2017-02-24T00:54:56 < zhivko> 6m are max steel pipes you can buy in ordinary shop here... You can cut shorter ofcourse
2017-02-24T00:55:15 < zhivko> max length they sell
2017-02-24T00:57:17 < zhivko> this is a way how to do angular pipe connection...
2017-02-24T00:57:22 < zhivko> 90 degree
2017-02-24T00:59:57 < zhivko> what kind of robot ?
2017-02-24T01:00:27 < zhivko> Is there a way to write to usb so it would not stall whole execution on stm32 ?
2017-02-24T01:01:02 < zhivko> because now if I add write to usb commands it just loops until I connect client to read those characters
2017-02-24T01:01:18 < zhivko> ah - yes...
2017-02-24T01:02:26 < aandrew> zhivko: that's quite the cutter. what's the head?
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2017-02-24T01:11:43 < zhivko> head is plasma from hypertherm45xp
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2017-02-24T01:18:15 < zhivko> now pwm is working but reading button stopped :(
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2017-02-24T01:37:44 < zhivko> its reading like randomly ... button is unpressed but it reads it as set and later as preset
2017-02-24T01:39:14 < Laurenceb_> hi crt
2017-02-24T01:39:38  * Laurenceb_ has been lurnin to drive
2017-02-24T01:39:41 < Laurenceb_> and failing
2017-02-24T01:39:52 < Laurenceb_> managed to stall and nearly flatten the battery
2017-02-24T01:40:24 < Laurenceb_> I think the battery is a bit dead, only get about 2 attempts at starting
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2017-02-24T01:44:21 < BrainDamage> your battery or the alternator must be near dead, a normal battery would have douzens of starts normally
2017-02-24T01:45:57 < Laurenceb_> yeah its prob the battery
2017-02-24T01:46:23 < Laurenceb_> I'm not very good at pulling off, havent managed to end up with dead battery in middle of nowhere yet...
2017-02-24T01:47:35 < Laurenceb_> which is good as I haven't learnt how to push start it yet
2017-02-24T01:49:30 < Laurenceb_> lulwut where did you lurn dis?
2017-02-24T01:50:10 < Laurenceb_> autist confirmed
2017-02-24T01:51:07 < BrainDamage> it's kinda funny because in my native language "autista" is a driver
2017-02-24T01:51:21 < Laurenceb_> most of my problems are related to using a 24 year old car
2017-02-24T01:53:30 < Laurenceb_> old
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2017-02-24T02:08:18 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZ0tIbW4zNUxYbG8/view?usp=sharing my printer fuks up with 12mm tape
2017-02-24T02:08:21 < kakimir> every time
2017-02-24T02:09:53 < kakimir> fix my problems crt 
2017-02-24T02:12:07 < kakimir> I wont
2017-02-24T02:13:15 < kakimir> the D?
2017-02-24T02:15:13 < kakimir> it looked okay
2017-02-24T02:17:42 < kakimir> why you are random crt?
2017-02-24T02:18:54 < ds2> has anyone played with the atmel bluetooth stuff?
2017-02-24T02:19:00 < dongs> englishman: lol'd
2017-02-24T02:19:57 < ReadError> hello friend.
2017-02-24T02:21:03 < kakimir> crt: you are psuedorandom
2017-02-24T02:25:30 < kakimir> control your life
2017-02-24T02:28:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMb00lz-IfE 
2017-02-24T02:29:00 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/uYBYoVw.png
2017-02-24T02:29:22 < dongs> > epic anime entrances wat
2017-02-24T02:29:39 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/eTgQC6m.png
2017-02-24T02:29:42 < kakimir> AMD make or break?
2017-02-24T02:30:14 < kakimir> are these memes paid?
2017-02-24T02:30:22 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: 
2017-02-24T02:30:47 < dongs> englishman: ha ha.
2017-02-24T02:31:16 < englishman> fanbois gonna fanboi
2017-02-24T02:33:50 < kakimir> can ingenious meme be paid or is it actually always work of something more deeper and more indigenous
2017-02-24T02:34:15 < kakimir> that only money could not lure out
2017-02-24T02:35:48 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-02-24T02:35:54 < Laurenceb_> kakimir is getting deep now
2017-02-24T02:42:32 < kakimir> are they?
2017-02-24T02:42:34 < Laurenceb_> whats with the spinning rust meme
2017-02-24T02:42:37 < Laurenceb_> I dont get it
2017-02-24T02:44:11 < Laurenceb_> seems thought up by autists who think they are so hip and dont know shit
2017-02-24T02:44:37 < Laurenceb_> hard drives have fuck all to do with rust and havent for decades
2017-02-24T02:45:48 < Laurenceb_> applied memetics
2017-02-24T02:47:55 < kakimir> show the meme
2017-02-24T02:49:56 < kakimir> this time I ask you Laurenceb_ 
2017-02-24T02:51:26 < kakimir> and you don't deliver a meme
2017-02-24T02:51:32 < zhivko> shit how can this gpio read button work so randomly when I use pwm... ??
2017-02-24T02:52:55 < dongs> wat
2017-02-24T02:53:07 < zhivko> LeelooMinai: I am using osciloscope to see what is happening - also I use debug stepping through code to better understand what is going on
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2017-02-24T02:54:16 < zhivko> it is funny because before I made pwm to work - buttons worked no problem
2017-02-24T02:54:56 < zhivko> SI interference? sorry dont know what it is
2017-02-24T02:56:16 < zhivko> so button pulls GPIO signal over resistor to GND...
2017-02-24T02:56:30 < zhivko> when it is pressed
2017-02-24T02:56:50 < dongs> are you talking about bounce lol
2017-02-24T02:56:55 < dongs> how are you getting that button press
2017-02-24T02:57:01 < zhivko> I am checking signal on osciloscope so I know it is completely GND
2017-02-24T02:57:06 < zhivko> my board
2017-02-24T02:57:39 < zhivko> https://goo.gl/photos/kEFa7r1wqdTZECVDA
2017-02-24T02:58:10 < zhivko> custom board - for 2 brush motor
2017-02-24T02:58:16 < zhivko> no...
2017-02-24T02:58:24 < zhivko> I am reading pin state in loop
2017-02-24T02:58:56 < zhivko> ohh... it worked before pwm... can I set EXTI in cubemx ?
2017-02-24T02:59:34 < zhivko> I will try find sample for this
2017-02-24T02:59:50 < zhivko> its late hour :)
2017-02-24T03:00:46 < dongs> well, looks like autismMinai handled your problem allready so I'll just show myself out
2017-02-24T03:05:59 < dongs> i think cofeefags are the worst
2017-02-24T03:06:05 < dongs> its just a fucking drink
2017-02-24T03:07:05 < Simon--> "Pursuing the Godshot"
2017-02-24T03:09:53 < Simon--> hehe, memories of chucky's in sofia, bulgaria
2017-02-24T03:10:06 < Simon--> and italy
2017-02-24T03:13:16 < kakimir> I planned to become a coffeefag but I don't have money to become one
2017-02-24T03:13:45 < kakimir> prioritization
2017-02-24T03:14:32 < kakimir> friend has coffee machine that makes really nice coffee
2017-02-24T03:14:38 < kakimir> from beans
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2017-02-24T03:15:37 < zhivko> thanks LeelooMiinai !
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2017-02-24T03:53:49 < stvn> fucken shit
2017-02-24T03:54:53 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-24T03:56:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/gqjFOiF.gifv
2017-02-24T03:57:55 < stvn> cockblocked by chris
2017-02-24T03:58:41 < stvn> what's pumping dongs?
2017-02-24T03:58:52 < kakimir> why you change nicks stvn ?
2017-02-24T03:58:59 < dongs> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/23/world/europe/a-paid-hour-a-week-for-sex-swedish-town-considers-it.html considering moving to sweden
2017-02-24T03:59:09 < kakimir> truing to trick us?
2017-02-24T03:59:35 < stvn> kakimir, i'm not sure what you are trying to ask me
2017-02-24T03:59:47 < dongs> hes asking how many SMA connectors you soldered today
2017-02-24T04:00:05 < stvn> none
2017-02-24T04:01:01 < kakimir> sleep bitz>
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2017-02-24T04:15:47 < dongs> whats the max sdram i can connect to stm
2017-02-24T04:15:53 < dongs> address space is 256meg but
2017-02-24T04:15:56 < dongs> will it work with 256meg?
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2017-02-24T04:28:16 < dongs> oh looks like i need 2 sdram chips
2017-02-24T04:28:19 < dongs> to do that
2017-02-24T04:30:23 < emeb_mac> got some big data?
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2017-02-24T04:37:10 < dongs> karlp: your shit arrived, forwarding today.
2017-02-24T04:37:19 < dongs> emeb_mac: no just autisming around.
2017-02-24T04:37:29 < dongs> just playing with the settings in cube
2017-02-24T04:37:38 < dongs> it has 'sdram1/sdram2' thing
2017-02-24T04:37:44 < dongs> the only extra pins it adds for that is extra CS
2017-02-24T04:37:50 < dongs> the rest are same
2017-02-24T04:37:52 < emeb_mac> dongs: yep
2017-02-24T04:38:06 < emeb_mac> did a board with 1 sdram a while back
2017-02-24T04:38:16 < emeb_mac> works great
2017-02-24T04:38:19 < dongs> so what does a nigga do? just parallel everything and route those cs pins separately and t hats it, you can address both banks?
2017-02-24T04:38:35 < emeb_mac> dongs: AFAICT
2017-02-24T04:38:41 < dongs> cool
2017-02-24T04:40:51 < dongs> row/col
2017-02-24T04:41:06 < dongs> 27 bit address space, 128megs
2017-02-24T04:41:25 < emeb_mac> ya - one chip max is 64MB
2017-02-24T04:41:34 < dongs> no, 128 max apparently
2017-02-24T04:41:47 < emeb_mac> hmm
2017-02-24T04:41:52 < emeb_mac> 'spose
2017-02-24T04:41:52 < dongs> according to RM0090 page 1608
2017-02-24T04:42:01 < dongs> with "32bit memory width"
2017-02-24T04:42:02 < dongs> whatever that is
2017-02-24T04:42:09 < emeb_mac> ah - mine was 16
2017-02-24T04:42:24 < emeb_mac> and FMC only has 16 on the 144-pin pkg
2017-02-24T04:42:40 < dongs> no, the '32' refers to seomthign else
2017-02-24T04:42:46 < dongs> its still 16bit data
2017-02-24T04:42:54 < dongs> it is weird
2017-02-24T04:43:03 < dongs> i also thought it meant 32bit data lines
2017-02-24T04:43:44 < Rob235> no
2017-02-24T04:43:53 < Rob235> oh I was scrolled up
2017-02-24T04:43:59 < dongs> autismed up
2017-02-24T04:44:02 < Rob235> :)
2017-02-24T04:44:05 < emeb_mac> are there SDRAMs with > 64MB in one pkg?
2017-02-24T04:44:14 < dongs> unsure
2017-02-24T04:44:21 < dongs> digikeying now
2017-02-24T04:44:43 < emeb_mac> 512Mb part is what I used
2017-02-24T04:44:52 < dongs> hm right
2017-02-24T04:45:23 < dongs> LAST TIME BUY
2017-02-24T04:46:08 < emeb_mac> yeah - ISSI & others deprecated the part I specified
2017-02-24T04:46:24 < emeb_mac> but there was a newer & faster one available still
2017-02-24T04:46:50 < emeb_mac> 143MHz vs 133
2017-02-24T04:46:56 < emeb_mac> and a few $$ more
2017-02-24T04:46:57 < dongs> oh no
2017-02-24T04:47:02 < dongs> you CAN do 32bit on 208pin pkg
2017-02-24T04:47:03 < dongs> wtf
2017-02-24T04:47:10 < emeb_mac> weird
2017-02-24T04:47:27 < emeb_mac> 2 parts in parallel?
2017-02-24T04:47:35 < dongs> nope i mean,, cube shows data: 32bits
2017-02-24T04:47:40 < dongs> and there's FMC_D0..D31
2017-02-24T04:48:30 < emeb_mac> right, but who makes parts that wide?
2017-02-24T04:49:00 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/issi-integrated-silicon-solution-inc/IS42S32160F-6BLI/706-1364-ND/5319818
2017-02-24T04:49:04 < dongs> apparently something like this
2017-02-24T04:49:11 < dongs> Memory Size512M (16M x 32)
2017-02-24T04:50:09 < dongs> 86pin tssop
2017-02-24T04:50:17 < dongs> vs standard 54pin shit
2017-02-24T04:50:30 < dongs> probly rare as shit considering its 2017
2017-02-24T04:50:56 < dongs> 90 ballsssssssssssssssss
2017-02-24T04:52:23 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-02-24T05:06:24 < dongs> any idea what's a '2502-03A' 3 pin socket is?
2017-02-24T05:06:25 < dongs> 2mm pitch
2017-02-24T05:06:29 < dongs> is that some molex clone or wat
2017-02-24T05:24:45 < stvn> better buy genuine nonclones
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2017-02-24T05:41:05 < zhivko> LeelooMinai: I think I implemented it with trigger... But it doesn't work as expected - press of button is most of the time not detected...
2017-02-24T05:42:26 < zhivko> I must be doing something wrong... if somebody could check my desperate tries: https://github.com/zhivko/EclipseStm32/blob/master/Src/main.c
2017-02-24T05:45:48 < zhivko> need to take some sleep :) brb
2017-02-24T05:48:34 < dongs> yes lets just paste ALL TEH FUCKING CODE
2017-02-24T05:48:38 < Rob235> hmm, got two people asking for my resume...
2017-02-24T05:48:40 < dongs> this aint stackexchange.com bro
2017-02-24T05:49:39 < Rob235> why is it all in main???
2017-02-24T05:50:20 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-02-24T05:50:48 < emeb_mac> once got hatemail from some dude who was mad cuz my codez were spread across more than one file
2017-02-24T05:51:21 < Rob235> how can you read/find anything
2017-02-24T05:51:44 < dongs> omg MROE THAN ONE FILE OF FREE CODE
2017-02-24T05:51:49 < dongs> CALL THE FUCKING WHAAAAMBULANCE
2017-02-24T05:52:35 < Rob235> so stop playing devils advocate!
2017-02-24T05:52:37 < Rob235> :)
2017-02-24T05:52:49 < dongs> is leeelooman bitching
2017-02-24T05:52:50 < dongs> about shit
2017-02-24T05:52:52  * Rob235 waits for dongs msg
2017-02-24T05:53:12 < dongs> does leelooman have a shithub
2017-02-24T05:53:15 < dongs> with free xmos code in it
2017-02-24T05:53:48 < dongs> 		sprintf(buffer, "tick %u\n\r", i);
2017-02-24T05:53:48 < dongs> 		printUsb(buffer);
2017-02-24T05:53:49 < dongs> ...
2017-02-24T05:53:51 < dongs> what teh fuck man
2017-02-24T05:54:32 < dongs> hal delay
2017-02-24T05:54:33 < dongs> waht the hell
2017-02-24T05:54:40 < dongs> i would put all that button polling shit into systick
2017-02-24T05:54:43 < dongs> and just set a flag
2017-02-24T05:54:51 < dongs> and just check the fuckign flag in while(1)
2017-02-24T05:55:00 < dongs> you get free debounce and noretarded shit
2017-02-24T05:55:22 < aandrew> that is exactly how I do things
2017-02-24T05:55:25 < stvn> sup dongs
2017-02-24T05:55:25 < aandrew> set up a 1ms tick
2017-02-24T05:55:31 < aandrew> every 10ms you set a volatile flag
2017-02-24T05:55:33 < aandrew> every 100ms and every 1s
2017-02-24T05:55:43 < aandrew> then mainloop looks for flag and if true, does shit and clears the flag
2017-02-24T05:56:06 < aandrew> two benefits... 1, you can't "back up" time and 2, you can segregate longer-running code blobs with shorter ones
2017-02-24T05:56:06 < dongs> the pro way
2017-02-24T05:56:49 < aandrew> works great for most applications. no threads or anything, but does require more careful attention to what the functions do and how long they take
2017-02-24T05:57:14 < aandrew> but basically your IRQs deal with throwing data in/out of periphs and into buffers, and main loop manages what to do with the data in the buffers
2017-02-24T05:58:30 < emeb_mac> yep
2017-02-24T05:58:36 < emeb_mac> that's the way I do my stuffs
2017-02-24T05:59:35 < dongs> i went one step further and overcomplicated it by making a timer loop where i can register callbacks at wahtever intervals instead of setting a var for each one from systick
2017-02-24T06:00:09 < emeb_mac> haha - next thing you know there'll be "DongsRTOS"
2017-02-24T06:00:23 < dongs> nah, i'm just using RTX in things where I ne d an OS
2017-02-24T06:00:30 < dongs> why reinvent the wheel
2017-02-24T06:00:38 < dongs> its free and it works with keil
2017-02-24T06:00:43 < emeb_mac> I've often wondered that too
2017-02-24T06:00:46 < dongs> and keil even has threads/events/messages etc view for it
2017-02-24T06:00:55 < dongs> so you can see whats going on
2017-02-24T06:01:04 < emeb_mac> so many software pros are just itching to write their own RTOS it seems
2017-02-24T06:01:11 < dongs> retards
2017-02-24T06:02:17 < emeb_mac> CubeMX has FreeRTOS built in. Tried some stuff with that a few weeks back. Worked fine
2017-02-24T06:02:31 < emeb_mac> surprisingly lightweight - not much to it.
2017-02-24T06:02:45 < dongs> i dislike feertos API
2017-02-24T06:02:47 < dongs> xFuckOff
2017-02-24T06:02:48 < dongs> looks ugly
2017-02-24T06:12:36 < branjb> i like fritos
2017-02-24T06:14:04 < emeb_mac> how do you feel about turtles?
2017-02-24T06:14:27 < branjb> one of the most pointless creatures alive
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2017-02-24T06:16:45 < Rob235> no way, a turtle is never homeless, cant say that about every creature!
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2017-02-24T06:30:10 < emeb_mac> s/himself/herself/ -> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4252048/LOL-assassin-selfie-days-Kim-Jong-nam-killing.html
2017-02-24T06:33:50 < dongs> thailand, so y ou never know
2017-02-24T06:33:54 < dongs> could be another LeelooMinai clone
2017-02-24T06:33:59 < dongs> with faketits
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2017-02-24T06:37:42 < branjb> w/e as long as it's a warm/wet hole
2017-02-24T06:37:48 < branjb> if your eyes are closed it's all the same
2017-02-24T06:42:16 < stvn> lol
2017-02-24T06:45:56 < stvn> sounds like the next top hit on the radio
2017-02-24T06:47:01 < branjb> how long should i make rmii traces?
2017-02-24T06:47:41 < branjb> where is this info located?  phy ds just shows pin connections nothing about traces
2017-02-24T06:47:53 < branjb> is it that ancient pcb design knowledge that only gets passed via word of mouth?
2017-02-24T06:48:06 < branjb> from a dying engineer to his pupil?
2017-02-24T06:48:30 < dongs> yes
2017-02-24T06:48:39 < dongs>  any phy vendor will ahev appnote
2017-02-24T06:48:41 < dongs> about this.
2017-02-24T06:48:45 < dongs> i was just looking at that shit yesterday
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2017-02-24T06:48:57 < dongs> open the fucking internet and go look at <phy vendor> site under that part#
2017-02-24T06:49:18 < dongs> or they will have a EVB with that part on it
2017-02-24T06:49:27 < dongs> with a reasonable example of what it should look like
2017-02-24T06:49:31 < branjb> my ds is in chinese
2017-02-24T06:49:36 < dongs> or you can look at any of -nucleo or -discovery boards
2017-02-24T06:49:44 < dongs> better brush up on your chink then
2017-02-24T06:49:49 < emeb_mac> wat?
2017-02-24T06:49:55 < emeb_mac> which traces?
2017-02-24T06:49:59 < dongs> RMII
2017-02-24T06:50:03 < dongs> from stm32 to phy, i would assume
2017-02-24T06:50:06 < branjb> yea
2017-02-24T06:50:08 < emeb_mac> RMII isn't super critical
2017-02-24T06:50:10 < dongs> like RX/TX/RMCLK etc
2017-02-24T06:50:11 < emeb_mac> it's pretty slow
2017-02-24T06:50:18 < emeb_mac> 25MHz
2017-02-24T06:50:25 < branjb> just keep differentials together and use ground planes?
2017-02-24T06:50:30 < dongs> pretty much
2017-02-24T06:50:36 < emeb_mac> RMII isn't even differential
2017-02-24T06:50:43 < emeb_mac> it's just serial data
2017-02-24T06:50:45 < branjb> o
2017-02-24T06:50:48 < emeb_mac> unipolar
2017-02-24T06:51:12 < branjb> oh yeah
2017-02-24T06:51:13 < branjb> so it is
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2017-02-24T06:51:34 < emeb_mac> not critical - keep it within a few cm and all's fine
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2017-02-24T06:53:06 < emeb_mac> I put a MCHP RMII PHY on F4 and F7 parts w/o any special routing. worked fine 
2017-02-24T06:55:44 < upgrdman> is a PHY just a level shifter?
2017-02-24T06:57:03 < dongs> no it makes stuff
2017-02-24T06:58:53 < emeb_mac> they're fairly complex
2017-02-24T06:59:17 < emeb_mac> modulation / demodulation for the crazy protocols on the ethernet wires
2017-02-24T06:59:21 < Thorn> wtf why does that ulrasound board have a max3232 on it
2017-02-24T06:59:37 < emeb_mac> boils it down to fairly simple data & spews over the *mii wires
2017-02-24T06:59:45 < upgrdman> k
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2017-02-24T07:16:15 < branjb> what's the best beer for programming?
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2017-02-24T07:37:07 < stvn> none
2017-02-24T07:38:21 < dongs> correct answer
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2017-02-24T07:47:57 < emeb_mac> dongs is straight-edge
2017-02-24T07:48:36 < branjb> wtf
2017-02-24T07:48:47 < branjb> https://www.xkcd.com/323/
2017-02-24T07:48:57 < branjb> is that a lie
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2017-02-24T07:49:57 < emeb_mac> no. it's a comic strip
2017-02-24T07:51:32 < stvn> whos cloning who
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2017-02-24T08:04:19 < branjb> cool
2017-02-24T08:04:37 < branjb> what is it
2017-02-24T08:05:50 < stvn> amplifier
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2017-02-24T08:14:01 < branjb> what does it amplify?
2017-02-24T08:14:31 < stvn> trouble
2017-02-24T08:21:39 < stvn> nothing
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2017-02-24T08:36:19 < upgrdman> sup bro
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2017-02-24T08:53:37 < upgrdman> crt be stimulating r2com
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2017-02-24T09:05:58 < zhivko> so whas there some siruous mistake in my code or not :) ??
2017-02-24T09:06:05 < dongs> yes, it was shit
2017-02-24T09:06:06 < zhivko> sirious...
2017-02-24T09:06:26 < zhivko> oh yea? lets hear it :)
2017-02-24T09:06:41 < zhivko> shit need to commute...
2017-02-24T09:07:03 < zhivko> hear later brb - I hope I will not miss the party :)
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2017-02-24T09:17:22 < dongs> ?
2017-02-24T09:17:25 < dongs> what do you mean
2017-02-24T09:17:29 < dongs> they only have mastercard
2017-02-24T09:17:32 < dongs> which is what youll get
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2017-02-24T09:22:24 < dongs> gaywards
2017-02-24T09:22:30 < dongs> i dont even remember which one i had scammed
2017-02-24T09:22:46 < dongs> pretty sure the non-rewards thing is not a credit card
2017-02-24T09:22:54 < dongs> its the paypal 'card' you can use to pay for shit at lowes and etc
2017-02-24T09:22:59 < dongs> basicalyl liek an atm card
2017-02-24T09:23:01 < dongs> tied to gaypal
2017-02-24T09:24:31 < dongs> lo
2017-02-24T09:24:44 < dongs> better hope you have a nice credit history then
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2017-02-24T09:58:11 < upgrdman> wtf does r2com want a credit card from pooppal
2017-02-24T09:58:31 < upgrdman> is his credit so bad that a bank would lol;gtfo
2017-02-24T09:58:35 < dongs> haha
2017-02-24T10:06:05 < dongs> god damn im autisming. 
2017-02-24T10:06:14 < dongs> why the fuck did ST c all BSRR in reverse
2017-02-24T10:06:32 < dongs> BSRRL to set, BSRRH to reset
2017-02-24T10:07:47 < PeterM> upgrdman i dunno but last time he was shitting on about how much information oyu need to give them and how it is annnoying to set up fake account - i guess he's probbaly jsut laundering money or something
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2017-02-24T10:10:57 < ReadError> scrotal_bonus: negro
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2017-02-24T10:13:35 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-02-24T10:31:25 < zhivko> OK I think I think I got this 2 interrupts right now.
2017-02-24T10:31:55 < zhivko> This article: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40057581/stm32f3-discovery-implement-gpio-interrupt was really helpfull... And ofcourse you guys ;)
2017-02-24T10:32:34 < dongs> youre still doing it wrong
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2017-02-24T10:35:56 < PeterM> fuck i was jsut about to copypasta r2commies shit to him
2017-02-24T10:36:28 < dongs> which one
2017-02-24T10:36:34 < dongs> paypal shit?
2017-02-24T10:36:40 < PeterM> nah
2017-02-24T10:36:50 < PeterM> [18:05] <R2COM> zhivko utihni ti umazana kurba
2017-02-24T10:36:51 < PeterM> [18:06] <R2COM> fuck he left
2017-02-24T10:39:47 < upgrdman> is that russian spelled in english?
2017-02-24T10:40:26 < PeterM> upgrdman no idea, lets check vodka.google.ru
2017-02-24T10:40:33 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-24T10:40:41 < dongs> https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/zhivko%20utihni%20ti%20umazana%20kurba
2017-02-24T10:40:45 < dongs> lmao'd
2017-02-24T10:40:54 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-24T10:41:18 < dongs> oh lol, that guy is from .si
2017-02-24T10:41:24 < dongs> i guess R2commie used same google translate to get the original
2017-02-24T10:41:57 < PeterM> much lol
2017-02-24T10:44:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> such auto-translate
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2017-02-24T11:20:11 < Steffanx> Damn. I like how friendly you guys can be. Bravo!
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2017-02-24T11:31:35 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: Just got an ADALM1000 :)
2017-02-24T11:31:42 < Ecco> The PCB is *packed*
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2017-02-24T11:45:48 < stvn> im artistic
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2017-02-24T11:55:17 < ohsix> ReadError: holy shit fuck workaholics, haha; traxxas, ross, marc ecko, and that's called out by name. also fat shark, and whatever the brand of bleach pen told them to fuck off
2017-02-24T11:57:01 < ohsix> ReadError: gillian was there just to get written out of the show
2017-02-24T11:57:36 < ohsix> and promote that bleach pen that told them to fuck off
2017-02-24T11:58:23 < ohsix> blake is like a 3rd wheel, there to act out of character and pitiful if it serves the brand
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2017-02-24T12:11:02 < ohsix> anyways, that sealed the deal
2017-02-24T12:11:06 < ohsix>  r i p workaholics
2017-02-24T12:11:42 < ohsix> this last episode gave a definite adam sandler spin on shit. just doing it to get shit for his friend and have a good time, but the result is shit
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2017-02-24T12:17:37 < stvn> peter what are you doing!!
2017-02-24T12:18:38 < Peter_M> badinternetting
2017-02-24T12:19:34 < ohsix> stvn m8
2017-02-24T12:19:46 < ohsix> could you ask peterm to consider unignoring
2017-02-24T12:20:19 < stvn> crikey mat
2017-02-24T12:20:19 < stvn> e
2017-02-24T12:20:31 < ohsix> i have to make some musical shit with an avr that can do lots o' channel polyphony
2017-02-24T12:20:40 < ohsix> like maybe a hundred (lol)
2017-02-24T12:21:10 < ohsix> square waves of different lengths and patterns, probably; grain synthesis style
2017-02-24T12:21:37 < ohsix> also avr is basically shit at getting analog data out, pwm is too slow for anything
2017-02-24T12:21:52 < ohsix> doing it the hard way to keep it accessible for people using arduino
2017-02-24T12:24:14 < ohsix> the thing i'm doing is kind of neat though huhu
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2017-02-24T12:25:15 < ohsix> some day when i figure out how, i'll document it and put it somewhere
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2017-02-24T12:31:39 < Steffanx> Dump avr ohsix.
2017-02-24T12:35:59 < stvn> better get keil m0/m0+ free version
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2017-02-24T12:38:18 < stvn> Steffanx, where are you
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2017-02-24T12:40:11 < Steffanx> Work. Why mr stvn?
2017-02-24T12:40:18 < stvn> i just had to know
2017-02-24T12:40:27 < Steffanx> Ok. Welcome back
2017-02-24T12:40:36 < stvn> thanks, im in the shop
2017-02-24T12:41:31 < Steffanx> Great.
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2017-02-24T12:50:45 < ohsix> Steffanx: i've already got people amenable to it to use the stm32
2017-02-24T12:50:51 < ohsix> this is for a different audience
2017-02-24T12:53:59 < ohsix> also i need to get my stlink back olol
2017-02-24T13:05:30 < stvn> this channel is quiet
2017-02-24T13:16:13 < dongs> valve leaderboard got trolled
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2017-02-24T13:17:20 < stvn> yeah
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2017-02-24T13:18:11 < stvn> valve pig board
2017-02-24T13:18:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/aapCgLF.jpg
2017-02-24T13:18:39 < Steffanx> Time to work stvn.
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2017-02-24T13:19:40 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/CRC-function/ wat
2017-02-24T13:19:43 < dongs> CRC-3?
2017-02-24T13:21:00 < stvn> See more: i need somebody to wright my book for me for free, i need somebody to do some computer programming for m
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2017-02-24T14:11:59 < stvn> Steffanx, always working
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2017-02-24T14:19:54 < kakimir> dongs: do you work 15hour days like every good jap?
2017-02-24T14:20:27 < kakimir> almost dying to exhaustion
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2017-02-24T14:24:04 < Tectu> gotta stay ahead of them chineses
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2017-02-24T14:29:24 < stvn> indeed
2017-02-24T14:29:28 < stvn> those cloners!
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2017-02-24T14:34:59 < Laurenceb_> sup
2017-02-24T14:38:50 < Laurenceb_> back once again
2017-02-24T14:39:12 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJMUkLTBXEk
2017-02-24T14:48:43 < Thorn> what is "virtual COM port" in st-link v2.1? does it mean the host sees an actual serial port like you get with FTDI?
2017-02-24T14:52:45 < Fleck> Thorn: just like arduinos
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2017-02-24T14:54:26 < Thorn> that doesn't tell me much lol
2017-02-24T14:54:49 < englishman> Thorn: iirc theres a physical uart connected between the target and st-dink, which appears alongside the stlink debug periph as a virtual comport
2017-02-24T14:54:54 < englishman> check user manual to make sure
2017-02-24T14:55:11 < englishman> so you can printf debug
2017-02-24T14:55:25 < Fleck> yep, I send/receive data from my F7
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2017-02-24T14:56:25 < englishman> morning
2017-02-24T14:56:53 < englishman> only 1 month til aussie f1
2017-02-24T14:57:20 < englishman> it's worth free tickets
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2017-02-24T14:58:19 < englishman> it's the first of the season
2017-02-24T14:59:09 < Thorn> looks like osx called it /dev/cu.usbmodem1423
2017-02-24T14:59:51 < englishman> you can get tix for $90 and go hear and see the little buzzing bees
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2017-02-24T15:00:20 < englishman> even less on friday/sat to just see qualifying
2017-02-24T15:01:03 < Laurenceb_> F1 is utterly boring
2017-02-24T15:01:13 < Laurenceb_> hours of hoping they assplode and burn alive
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2017-02-24T15:04:54 < kakimir> can I set elements of global struct outside functions in source file like I do in main function to say?
2017-02-24T15:05:40 < Fleck> yep
2017-02-24T15:05:53 < Fleck> on init
2017-02-24T15:05:59 < kakimir> okay
2017-02-24T15:06:11 < kakimir> not like
2017-02-24T15:06:17 < kakimir> Randomtype variable;
2017-02-24T15:06:22 < kakimir> variable.a = 1;
2017-02-24T15:06:32 < Fleck> afaik no
2017-02-24T15:07:36 < Thorn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7691187/static-struct-initialization-in-c
2017-02-24T15:08:00 < kakimir> nice doge
2017-02-24T15:08:41 < kakimir> it's getting interesting as I use macro to initialize
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2017-02-24T15:11:19 < kakimir> #define STRING_COMMANDS_MACRO(NAME,NAMESTRING,DESCRIPTIONSTRING) .NAME.namestring = NAMESTRING, .NAME.descriptionstring = DESCRIPTIONSTRING,	//Initialize const char* strings to struct while initializing struct
2017-02-24T15:11:38 < kakimir> macros are fun
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2017-02-24T15:20:24 < kakimir> I want to alter limited set of elements in struct variable in actual code without altering the rest of elements
2017-02-24T15:20:57 < kakimir> do I just do it one element at the time?
2017-02-24T15:21:31 < kakimir> COMMANDS.NAME.hash = hash32(NAME.namestring);
2017-02-24T15:22:37 < kakimir> or is it better to do some curly braces and does it allow changing limited set of elements?
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2017-02-24T15:45:44 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/vvG56Ec.png
2017-02-24T15:48:52 < aandrew> haha
2017-02-24T15:50:33 < kakimir> trap
2017-02-24T15:51:04 < kc2uez> heh, apple === capitalism
2017-02-24T15:51:25 < kc2uez> she couldn't resist
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2017-02-24T16:07:05 < kakimir> I have only 41 commands to mo oven controller
2017-02-24T16:07:07 < kakimir> I need more
2017-02-24T16:09:39 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-24T16:10:03 < kakimir> basically board with aurt connectivity reading thermometers and controlling triacs of 3phases
2017-02-24T16:10:06 < kakimir> *uart
2017-02-24T16:10:15 < kakimir> controlled with commands
2017-02-24T16:12:27 < kakimir> even household ovens use here 2phases of 3phase
2017-02-24T16:13:31 < kakimir> it could fit major parts of a cow but I don't like how all the fat would pour into expensive wools
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2017-02-24T16:18:29 < kakimir> I know we have talked about north european superiority earlier
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2017-02-24T16:23:08 < kakimir> when it comes to heating typical electricity subscription runs out pretty quick but I would imagine gas subscriptions having flow rates to put out hundreds of kilowatts
2017-02-24T16:24:51 < kakimir> on-demand heating of shower would require 23kw power
2017-02-24T16:26:15 < kakimir> 400v32amp 3phase subscription would output 22kw at 32amps
2017-02-24T16:27:02 < kakimir> we have 25amp main fuses and this is a farmhouse
2017-02-24T16:28:16 < englishman> 32amp is low, we have 200A service at the house, that sounds like a subpanel
2017-02-24T16:28:56 < kakimir> 200amp wtf
2017-02-24T16:30:10 < englishman> @240v 1ϴ
2017-02-24T16:30:34 < kakimir> 48kW not bad
2017-02-24T16:33:11 < kakimir> why you have 200amp fuse?
2017-02-24T16:33:19 < kakimir> it's unlogical
2017-02-24T16:33:27 < kakimir> *unrational
2017-02-24T16:33:30 < englishman> breaker
2017-02-24T16:33:39 < kakimir> anyway
2017-02-24T16:33:47 < englishman> electric furnace alone is 23kW with 120A breaker
2017-02-24T16:34:08 < kakimir> furnace as house heating?
2017-02-24T16:34:26 < fenugrec> don't forget the 70A breaker for the welder, heh
2017-02-24T16:38:36 < aandrew> I never understood on-demand hot water
2017-02-24T16:39:14 < aandrew> every system I've ever seen has a small tank inside it and can't keep up with even what I'd consider "normal" loads
2017-02-24T16:39:48 < aandrew> either people size them too small to save money (including installers) or something else
2017-02-24T16:43:14 < englishman> on-demand can save a lot of power
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2017-02-24T16:43:17 < englishman> it's really common in eu
2017-02-24T16:43:31 < sync_> aandrew: there are ones that do not have a tank
2017-02-24T16:43:34 < sync_> like what I have
2017-02-24T16:43:36 < englishman> but it needs massive heaters, like kaks said 23kw for shower
2017-02-24T16:43:39 < englishman> yeah germans ^
2017-02-24T16:43:42 < sync_> but it has around 30kW
2017-02-24T16:43:48 < sync_> so it actually works
2017-02-24T16:43:54 < englishman> and digitally controlled temp
2017-02-24T16:43:57 < englishman> which is mmm mmm good for shower
2017-02-24T16:44:08 < sync_> yeah I never use my cold water tap
2017-02-24T16:44:17 < sync_> just adjust temp at the heater and go
2017-02-24T16:45:02 < BrainDamage> I have a 45kW gas heater, open tap in bathroom, wait 5-6s due to pipe length delay and enjoy hot water
2017-02-24T16:45:10 < englishman> there are no losses from storing hot water in a tank for 2 days just to use 1/3 of it for a shower
2017-02-24T16:45:11 < Ecco> Hmm, I have a weird SPI issue. I'm connecting an STM32 to an SPI master. Reading from the master works well, but receiving on the STM32 from the master always reads 0
2017-02-24T16:45:19 < englishman> no losses from heating all the pipes between your tank and the shower
2017-02-24T16:45:22 < aandrew> right
2017-02-24T16:45:38 < aandrew> but is a high peak load with zero better for domestic applications?
2017-02-24T16:45:44 < aandrew> I think about my own use at the house
2017-02-24T16:45:56 < aandrew> hot water for showers, washing hands/dishes and dishwasher (cold is used for washing machine)
2017-02-24T16:46:06 < englishman> zee germans have switched, and even ontario power has nothing compared to their $/kWh
2017-02-24T16:46:28 < aandrew> I don't think we use much hot otherwise, but my office is also right beside the hot water heater and it's OFF unless someone is actively using hot water
2017-02-24T16:46:48 < aandrew> so I don't know that a modern tank is actually (much) worse off than a proper tankless system
2017-02-24T16:46:56 < sync_> it depends
2017-02-24T16:47:01 < sync_> I think they are about on par
2017-02-24T16:47:14 < englishman> whats the replacement schedule of tankless heatesr
2017-02-24T16:47:15 < englishman> vs tanks
2017-02-24T16:47:19 < sync_> never?
2017-02-24T16:47:27 < englishman> cmon
2017-02-24T16:47:28 < sync_> mine is ~25 years old
2017-02-24T16:47:31 < englishman> heh
2017-02-24T16:48:14 < sync_> the regulation in mine is interesting
2017-02-24T16:48:41 < sync_> it meters in cold water to regulate the temperature
2017-02-24T16:48:49 < aandrew> right
2017-02-24T16:48:55 < BrainDamage> there's a membrane pressure regulator in mine that needs replacing every 2 years or so
2017-02-24T16:48:56 < aandrew> 45kW heater elements wont' least forever
2017-02-24T16:49:04 < sync_> otherwise you would have to pwm the heater which causes havoc in the grid
2017-02-24T16:49:06 < BrainDamage> but it costs about 15€
2017-02-24T16:49:09 < aandrew> my tanks typically last about 10-15y
2017-02-24T16:49:10 < englishman> BrainDamage: you mean a thermostatic valve?
2017-02-24T16:49:27 < aandrew> we rent them because the ocst to rent is cheap and they can come replace it for us instead of me fucking around with it
2017-02-24T16:49:27 < BrainDamage> nope, it sense pressure, not temp
2017-02-24T16:49:29 < sync_> aandrew: ime they are pretty bullet proof
2017-02-24T16:49:54 < sync_> same with tanks, usually the burners blow but you can just pop in a new one
2017-02-24T16:49:54 < BrainDamage> it feed forward compensate drops in pressure in the piping
2017-02-24T16:50:08 < kakimir> sidebranch of my project can not resolve standard libs
2017-02-24T16:50:15 < sync_> harder with the caloric value burner shit
2017-02-24T16:50:47 < kakimir> I have 2 projects that other one includes stuff from another
2017-02-24T16:51:00 < kakimir> eclipce / lpcxpresso
2017-02-24T16:51:19 < BrainDamage> oh and also need to clean the gas ports with wire brush every year, not sure if it's imperfect combustion or the quality of gas
2017-02-24T16:52:31 < sync_> the city has done something here, there is significantly less crap in my heating burner now
2017-02-24T16:52:44 < sync_> (yes, I have gas for heating and electricity for warm water)
2017-02-24T16:52:47 < sync_> for whatever reason
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2017-02-24T16:56:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKelVnVnhxNmJWWGs/view?usp=sharing anyone have idea why it can't just include stdint.h that is in redlib included to project
2017-02-24T17:00:26 < kakimir> also same redlib included to actual project that includes files from this project
2017-02-24T17:01:21 < kakimir> I should include the project that uses this project to this project to use it's includes actually?
2017-02-24T17:02:29 < kakimir> no effect
2017-02-24T17:03:15 < englishman> BrainDamage: interesting, though it looks like thermostatic valves are about the same price here
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2017-02-24T17:20:55 < kakimir> recomds for default baudrate
2017-02-24T17:21:00 < kakimir> the most common
2017-02-24T17:21:05 < kakimir> default
2017-02-24T17:23:12 < BrainDamage> for serial port? most common setting is 115200bps 8/n/1
2017-02-24T17:23:24 < kakimir> yes
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2017-02-24T17:25:07 < kakimir> how low speed I should go for reasonable compatibility
2017-02-24T17:26:03 < fenugrec> 19.2k, or 9.6k if you really have terrible signal quality
2017-02-24T17:26:45 < kakimir> I don't think 9600 would safe it compared to others if your signal is really shit
2017-02-24T17:26:55 < kakimir> *save
2017-02-24T17:28:06 < BrainDamage> "really shit" is arbitrary, lower speed does mean less errors for same channel noise
2017-02-24T17:28:47 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noisy-channel_coding_theorem
2017-02-24T17:29:57 < fenugrec> high capacitance data lines with weak drivers will also put a hard limit on the baud rate
2017-02-24T17:30:26 < fenugrec> etc
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2017-02-24T17:37:39 < kakimir> how many seconds should I give fallback time to baudspeed change
2017-02-24T17:37:52 < kakimir> baudrate
2017-02-24T17:38:38 < kakimir> 15seconds enought?
2017-02-24T17:40:07 < kakimir> "Set supported baudrate with set_uart_baudrate<XXXX..>. If parameter is in allowed range command with parameter will be echoed back and uart connection baudrate is changed right after that. Device needs to receive next command ie. \"ping\" successfully in next 15seconds or baudrate will fallback to earlier value"
2017-02-24T17:42:06 < Fleck> kakimir: what are you up to? :)
2017-02-24T17:42:56 < kakimir> bloating stuff
2017-02-24T17:43:12 < kakimir> I will have the nicest command interface
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2017-02-24T17:44:01 < kakimir> to use in all projects
2017-02-24T17:45:54 < kakimir> odd parity is default?
2017-02-24T17:47:01 < kakimir> interesting
2017-02-24T17:49:49 < englishman> anyone know how to get chinapcb places to do external edge plating
2017-02-24T17:50:05 < englishman> like a plated slot except not a slot, an external edge
2017-02-24T17:55:37 < kakimir> I can use 7bit data in uart when my data is actually human readable format
2017-02-24T17:56:21 < kakimir> extended ascii has nothing interesting
2017-02-24T17:56:23 < fenugrec> where do you see odd is default
2017-02-24T17:56:29 < kakimir> none is default
2017-02-24T17:56:38 < kakimir> most cases
2017-02-24T17:56:46 < fenugrec> " <kakimir> odd parity is default? "
2017-02-24T17:56:58 < kakimir> it is a quastion
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2017-02-24T18:08:40 < Ecco> Hmm, I'm missing some bytes on an SPI link…
2017-02-24T18:08:48 < kakimir> http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Untitled-5.jpg downforce
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2017-02-24T18:11:33 < Ecco> STM32 as an SPI slave, SPI goes at 500 kHz. STM32 misses some bytes being sent. What could be going on?
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2017-02-24T18:36:38 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: You may as well get EC2 spot instances
2017-02-24T18:36:55 < Ecco> Those are barely more expensive than the electric power they use
2017-02-24T18:36:57 < Ecco> Yeah
2017-02-24T18:37:28 < Ecco> Yeah
2017-02-24T18:37:38 < Ecco> Not such a big deal usually
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2017-02-24T18:40:39 < sync_> > lotsa cores
2017-02-24T18:40:41 < sync_> > low power
2017-02-24T18:41:03 < Ecco> Well then yeah you can definitely buy an old server
2017-02-24T18:41:39 < sync_> it is formulated to the point I wanted to make
2017-02-24T18:41:47 < zyp> LeelooMinai, the problem with old servers in general is poor power efficiency
2017-02-24T18:42:09 < sync_> we had around 90 cores at work, it really depends on what you are building tho
2017-02-24T18:42:16 < zyp> LeelooMinai, compared to a modern cpu, they consume more power to do the same task
2017-02-24T18:42:27 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-24T18:42:31 < sync_> some projects got a good boost, some compiled slower
2017-02-24T18:42:36 < sync_> due to the network overhead
2017-02-24T18:42:39 < BrainDamage> is this to run distcc hosts?
2017-02-24T18:42:51 < zyp> Ecco, i wonder if you could put a compiler on AWS lambda
2017-02-24T18:42:55 < sync_> we rance icecream
2017-02-24T18:43:02 < sync_> -ce
2017-02-24T18:43:16 < zyp> Ecco, that way, you wouldn't pay for the time it's not compiling
2017-02-24T18:44:06 < sync_> LeelooMinai: how big is your project that you are limited by your machine
2017-02-24T18:44:25 < sync_> ime running just 12 threads locally is still quite quick
2017-02-24T18:45:11 < sync_> use ccache
2017-02-24T18:45:20 < sync_> and a pcie ssd
2017-02-24T18:45:27 < sync_> or a tmpfs
2017-02-24T18:45:34 < Ecco> zyp: Indeed, could be fun :)
2017-02-24T18:45:37 < BrainDamage> the moment you add remote hosts things start getting annoying because batching isn't so trivial
2017-02-24T18:46:26 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: That being said, it's weird that compilation of an embedded project takes so long
2017-02-24T18:46:38 < Ecco> typically only the linking part has to be redone all the time and can take a lot of time
2017-02-24T18:46:51 < Ecco> but unless you're building huge shit (e.g. Chromium), that shouldn't be an issue
2017-02-24T18:47:00 < Ecco> sure you canf ix it with a heavier machine, but still
2017-02-24T18:47:07 < Ecco> yeah, but you should be able to cache most of it
2017-02-24T18:47:53 < BrainDamage> I've tried to add an arm board as curiosity in parallel to my beefy i7 and turns out the gain was marginal, it's still knda useful to throw slow jobs at it to leave my pc idle ( eg when updating sauce only programs ), but projects I just throw all my cores and wait
2017-02-24T18:48:08 < sync_> just get a faster machine
2017-02-24T18:48:17 < sync_> that is way easier than adding remote ones
2017-02-24T18:48:34 < Ecco> Yeah
2017-02-24T18:48:50 < Ecco> Server might be slower than your current PC though
2017-02-24T18:48:56 < Ecco> (I mean a $200 one at least)
2017-02-24T18:49:17 < Ecco> At $200, those must be 24 crappy cores
2017-02-24T18:49:25 < Ecco> Or a hell of a great bargain :)
2017-02-24T18:49:27 < sync_> yeah, screaming loud and eating a lot of power
2017-02-24T18:49:29 < sync_> nah
2017-02-24T18:49:37 < sync_> a lot of DCs are throwing shit out
2017-02-24T18:49:41 < sync_> as it is not cost effective anymore
2017-02-24T18:49:45 < sync_> so the stuff is cheap
2017-02-24T18:49:45 < Ecco> Well opterons have been around for ages
2017-02-24T18:49:45 < BrainDamage> DC?
2017-02-24T18:49:49 < sync_> datacenters
2017-02-24T18:49:53 < Ecco> makes sense
2017-02-24T18:50:02 < Ecco> I got some last-gen swicth for dirt cheap
2017-02-24T18:50:22 < BrainDamage> throwing shit out because they offload to third party, or because they are renewing the hw?
2017-02-24T18:50:37 < sync_> I still rock an old i7 3930k, still ok currently for the main box
2017-02-24T18:50:46 < sync_> BrainDamage: the latter
2017-02-24T18:50:59 < BrainDamage> I have a 4700 and it works pretty nicely
2017-02-24T18:51:21 < sync_> it was pretty much the only option to get 64G ram back then
2017-02-24T18:51:26 < BrainDamage> I keep a mirrored copy of my projects on ramdisk, and compiles stupidly fast
2017-02-24T18:51:30 < sync_> and I got the machine for cheap
2017-02-24T18:52:47 < sync_> which is a bit frustrating, stuff gets expensive if you want more than 64G even with modern hardware
2017-02-24T18:53:06 < Ecco> seriously though, 64G…
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2017-02-24T18:53:19 < Ecco> Even Chromium won't eat that much RAM
2017-02-24T18:53:28 < sync_> Ecco: I'm running out of ram on occasion
2017-02-24T18:53:36 < Ecco> Many VMs?
2017-02-24T18:53:42  * Ecco is getting curious
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2017-02-24T18:53:52 < sync_> one vm + chrome
2017-02-24T18:54:19 < sync_> the vm has 50G of ram
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2017-02-24T18:54:40 < zyp> but does it need it?
2017-02-24T18:54:44 < sync_> yes
2017-02-24T18:55:04 < sync_> LeelooMinai: you do not want a blade
2017-02-24T18:55:09 < sync_> the blade centers are cheap too
2017-02-24T18:55:11 < sync_> but no
2017-02-24T18:55:25 < Ecco> what's in the vm?
2017-02-24T18:55:40 < zyp> sync_, why not?
2017-02-24T18:55:57 < sync_> Ecco: simulation software
2017-02-24T18:56:02 < zyp> I mean, obviously you only want a blade if you want like 14 of them
2017-02-24T18:56:08 < sync_> yes
2017-02-24T18:56:17 < zyp> but still, if you have a use for 14 servers, why not?
2017-02-24T18:56:24 < Steffanx> RAM is getting expensive lately. 
2017-02-24T18:56:29 < sync_> you can
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2017-02-24T18:56:41 < sync_> but the fans will still run full tilt
2017-02-24T18:56:45 < zyp> sounds wasteful
2017-02-24T18:56:47 < sync_> and consume around 150W
2017-02-24T18:56:51 < sync_> constantly.
2017-02-24T18:56:58 < zyp> PSU efficiency will probably not be very good at low load either
2017-02-24T18:57:09 < zyp> in addition to old cpu not being power efficient
2017-02-24T18:57:21 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: Honestly, I think you could have fun, but you wouldn't keep that setup
2017-02-24T18:58:08 < zyp> haha
2017-02-24T18:58:30 < zyp> I remember I did some performance math on rpi1s
2017-02-24T18:58:36 < zyp> they are not very power efficient
2017-02-24T18:58:49 < Laurenceb> intel easily beats rpi
2017-02-24T18:58:53 < zyp> yeah, a plain quadcore i7 will beat 64 of them
2017-02-24T18:59:00 < Laurenceb> for performance/watt
2017-02-24T18:59:02 < zyp> on both performance and power consumption
2017-02-24T18:59:26 < Laurenceb> but arm can beat intel on performance/watt
2017-02-24T18:59:33 < zyp> rpi2/3 got newer and better cpus, so they might be more viable
2017-02-24T18:59:43 < zyp> and switching regs, I think
2017-02-24T18:59:45 < Laurenceb> in fact best arm was a little better than best intel last time I looked
2017-02-24T18:59:46 < zyp> rpi1 was all linear
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2017-02-24T19:00:43 < kakimir> is it against something to have same name as uppercase macro for some setting variable to store initial value?
2017-02-24T19:00:52 < BrainDamage> having a network of arm boards is useful not because they aregood, but because you get all the problems of lage datacenters in a small system
2017-02-24T19:01:13 < BrainDamage> network links being bottlenecks, perf per w being high, etc
2017-02-24T19:01:16 < zyp> kakimir, no, names are case sensitive
2017-02-24T19:01:18 < Laurenceb> lul BrainDamage
2017-02-24T19:01:44 < BrainDamage> I'm talking seriously, it could be useful if eg one wants to learn sysadmin
2017-02-24T19:01:49 < zyp> BrainDamage, and that's also why it's a good way of getting experience with those challenges
2017-02-24T19:01:59 < zyp> can be*
2017-02-24T19:02:02 < Laurenceb> ah I guess
2017-02-24T19:02:34 < kakimir> sometimes I do like _MACRO to them
2017-02-24T19:02:40 < Laurenceb> holy shit http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children
2017-02-24T19:02:41 < kakimir> sometimes I seem not to
2017-02-24T19:02:45  * Laurenceb gets the popcorn
2017-02-24T19:02:49 < Laurenceb> this gunna be good
2017-02-24T19:03:03 < kakimir> i do _INITIAL
2017-02-24T19:03:14 < Laurenceb> cucknada is b&
2017-02-24T19:03:16 < kakimir> screenshoot Laurenceb 
2017-02-24T19:03:33 < kakimir> all your links are bad
2017-02-24T19:03:37 < Laurenceb> tl;dr   A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking. When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists
2017-02-24T19:03:58 < Laurenceb> this is going to cause a planetary scale shitstorm
2017-02-24T19:04:39 < Ecco> I'm having weird transmission error on an STM32 as a slave on an SPI bus
2017-02-24T19:04:47 < Ecco> Could it be because I'm not using a SS wire?
2017-02-24T19:04:48 < sync_> LeelooMinai: well trollenceb is a brexiter so eh
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2017-02-24T19:05:02 < Laurenceb> Ecco: why not tell us what the error is?
2017-02-24T19:05:05 < Ecco> (I configured it to use  software SS)
2017-02-24T19:05:11 < Ecco> Well, the error is that some bytes are skipped
2017-02-24T19:05:15 < Laurenceb> ah
2017-02-24T19:05:27 < Laurenceb> then its probably an error in your handling routines :P
2017-02-24T19:05:31 < Ecco> If I send "Hello, world" from the STM32 I receive "HllWld" on the host
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2017-02-24T19:05:41 < Laurenceb> HELL WORLD
2017-02-24T19:05:44 < Ecco> pp 
2017-02-24T19:06:14 < Laurenceb> they trolled Leeloo real good
2017-02-24T19:09:43 < kakimir> what uart setting I'm forgeting?
2017-02-24T19:09:53 < kakimir> is there some spacer bits?
2017-02-24T19:11:29 < kakimir> typical is 1 stopbit?
2017-02-24T19:11:35 < Rob235> damn github and their 8 spaces tabs
2017-02-24T19:12:07 < kakimir> but there is support for at least 2?
2017-02-24T19:16:19 < Steffanx> Rob235 is alive! Pretty quiet lately.
2017-02-24T19:17:50 < Rob235> yup, trying to focus on real life
2017-02-24T19:17:55 < Rob235> how are you doing?
2017-02-24T19:19:10 < Laurenceb> lul Musk
2017-02-24T19:19:13 < Rob235> haha yea I've seen that
2017-02-24T19:19:20 < Laurenceb> he seems to have gone full retard
2017-02-24T19:19:35 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: thank you no thank you
2017-02-24T19:19:36 < Laurenceb> Hyperloop was the first sign
2017-02-24T19:20:00 < kakimir> let's break the loop
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2017-02-24T19:20:09 < kakimir> Laurenceb: 
2017-02-24T19:20:23 < Rob235> Steffanx: I finally posted my flight controller code on github, havent really worked on it in a while but if I'm going to use it on my resume I guess it should be posted somewhere
2017-02-24T19:21:10 < Rob235> I think musk is an overall positive force in this universe
2017-02-24T19:21:30 < Rob235> those solar roof shingles are pretty cool too
2017-02-24T19:21:35 < Laurenceb> I think that was due to his employees being saner than he is
2017-02-24T19:22:38 < Steffanx> Mr. Jobs did a good job..
2017-02-24T19:25:43 < Steffanx> Back to important things. Why my NAS no longer boots after a bios upgrade. The 10G NIC in the server makes it hang during startup.
2017-02-24T19:26:50 < Steffanx> Why not?
2017-02-24T19:26:53 < sync_> ^
2017-02-24T19:27:14 < Rob235> I need to get a NAS at some point, this usb hd enclosure connected to my router is slow as balls
2017-02-24T19:27:17 < zyp> Steffanx, haha, wat
2017-02-24T19:27:22 < zyp> which NIC?
2017-02-24T19:27:26 < Steffanx> Mellanox.
2017-02-24T19:27:28 < zyp> LeelooMinai, because 1G is too slow
2017-02-24T19:27:34 < zyp> Steffanx, ah, same as I've got?
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2017-02-24T19:27:57 < Ecco> hmm, crap
2017-02-24T19:28:01 < zyp> hmm, mine are mellaonox connectx 2
2017-02-24T19:28:06 < Ecco> now I get dounble output from that SPI link
2017-02-24T19:28:11 < zyp> and none of my machines have any problems booting with them
2017-02-24T19:28:13 < Steffanx> Yep, i have one of those too zyp.
2017-02-24T19:28:14 < Ecco> "HHeelloo,,  wwoorrlldd"
2017-02-24T19:28:15 < Ecco> :-/
2017-02-24T19:28:39 < zyp> LeelooMinai, just 16x3TB of storage, I've told you before
2017-02-24T19:28:46 < Steffanx> It did work, but after a bios update it no longer works. ( had to upgrade because of cpu support )
2017-02-24T19:29:14 < zyp> LeelooMinai, the disk array does like 800MB/s of sustained throughput, that's a lot faster than what gigabit can pipe through
2017-02-24T19:29:36 < zyp> so when I'm transferring shit to or from the array, I don't want the network to be the bottleneck
2017-02-24T19:30:09 < zyp> sure, if you have gigabit, there's no way to push that externally :)
2017-02-24T19:30:29 < zyp> IIRC I benchmarked 300-something MB/s over NFS over 10G
2017-02-24T19:30:39 < zyp> which is a couple of times faster than gigabit
2017-02-24T19:30:51 < Steffanx> On the other side, i have some "hacked" intel DA1 , because its one of those few that work with os x.
2017-02-24T19:31:10 < zyp> few what?
2017-02-24T19:31:33 < Steffanx> 10G network cards.
2017-02-24T19:31:33 < zyp> LeelooMinai, well, I'm either reading it from the array or writing it to the array
2017-02-24T19:31:45 < zyp> Steffanx, oh, my mellanox card works just fine in os x
2017-02-24T19:31:50 < zyp> that's partly why I bought it
2017-02-24T19:32:45 < zyp> good thing they renamed it to macos then
2017-02-24T19:33:25 < Steffanx> Really? It's a year ago i bought this crap, but afaik the connectx-2 doesnt do osx 
2017-02-24T19:33:37 < Steffanx> otherwise i cannot remember why i didnt go for two of those :P
2017-02-24T19:34:15 < zyp> Steffanx, bullshit, I've been using mine with osx since I got it :p
2017-02-24T19:34:31 < Steffanx> Lies.
2017-02-24T19:34:53 < zyp> oh
2017-02-24T19:34:55 < zyp> wait
2017-02-24T19:35:04 < zyp> disregard
2017-02-24T19:35:14 < zyp> connectx 2 are the cards I bought that I haven't even used yet
2017-02-24T19:35:15 < zyp> haha
2017-02-24T19:35:18 < Steffanx> lol.
2017-02-24T19:35:30 < aandrew> <luldangs> your mom is so fat that if planck's constant were 1 Js, she STILL wouldn't be able to quantum tunnel through a potential of any significance
2017-02-24T19:35:33 < Steffanx> Works like a charm in freenas, but .. macos, not so well. 
2017-02-24T19:35:42 < zyp> the ones I'm using are myricom
2017-02-24T19:36:06 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/5NTlh.png <- got an old screenshot here, realized it's myricom when I googled the OUI
2017-02-24T19:36:39 < Steffanx> Hah, so nice macos. 1280-1500 and then you enter 9000 :)
2017-02-24T19:37:02 < zyp> haha, it defaults to 9000 with that card
2017-02-24T19:37:31 < zyp> it's set to «configure automatically» after all
2017-02-24T19:38:04 < aandrew> ffffjfjfjfjf
2017-02-24T19:38:05 < aandrew> ~
2017-02-24T19:38:47 < Steffanx> Yes, that too an
2017-02-24T19:38:49 < Steffanx> aandrew: 
2017-02-24T19:40:00 < fenugrec> Ecco where's your SPI code
2017-02-24T19:42:06 < zyp> cables doesn't cost much
2017-02-24T19:42:32 < zyp> I picked up a box of ~40 in various length for $nothing on ebay years ago when I played around with fiber channel
2017-02-24T19:44:02 < Steffanx> the switch is expensive yes,.. everything else isnt that expensive.
2017-02-24T19:44:14 < Steffanx> Even new cables are cheapish
2017-02-24T19:45:58 < BrainDamage> it's always like that with tech adoption tought, you have a niche group willing to pour money in an otherwise overpriced tech just because of few characteristic advantages, then eventually it gets cheap enough for consumer market
2017-02-24T19:46:35 < zyp> LeelooMinai, depends, I got a 8 port one for free from a guy whose employer were throwing it away
2017-02-24T19:46:40 < Steffanx> You can always go for 40G to be really fancy LeelooMinai
2017-02-24T19:47:04 < zyp> proper switches aren't too bad either
2017-02-24T19:47:06 < Ecco> Is 500 kHz very fast for SPI?
2017-02-24T19:47:11 < Steffanx> no.
2017-02-24T19:47:20 < Ecco> Should I have some special settings on an STM32 for such a speed?
2017-02-24T19:47:21 < Steffanx> it's slowish
2017-02-24T19:47:22 < zyp> ubnt got a pretty nice one for $500-ish
2017-02-24T19:47:23 < Ecco> ok
2017-02-24T19:47:41 < Ecco> I fired up a logic analyzer
2017-02-24T19:47:49 < Ecco> and the STM32 does indeed output double characters :-/
2017-02-24T19:48:25 < zyp> Ecco, which part?
2017-02-24T19:48:45 < zyp> Ecco, how are you using the SPI peripheral? HAL or writing regs directly or something?
2017-02-24T19:49:18 < zyp> newer parts have a FIFO in the SPI that'll assume you're writing two characters if you're doing a 16 or 32-bit access to the DR register
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2017-02-24T19:52:33 < Ecco> zyp: Writing regs directly
2017-02-24T19:52:35 < Ecco> STM32F412
2017-02-24T19:56:35 < kakimir> anyone yet have an idea why stdint.h wont be included?
2017-02-24T19:56:52 < aandrew> balls, rogers did something screwy
2017-02-24T19:56:52 < kakimir> I want to test this
2017-02-24T19:57:49 < Steffanx> because you didnt configure your include paths correctly i guess..
2017-02-24T19:58:33 < aandrew> why would you want to do 10G on copper
2017-02-24T19:58:37 < aandrew> they're power hungry 
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2017-02-24T20:00:04 < kakimir> how much power hungry?
2017-02-24T20:00:10 < Steffanx> fibre here aandrew
2017-02-24T20:03:17 < Steffanx> who mentioned copper?
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2017-02-24T20:05:05 < Steffanx> sometimes i wonder if i made it onto aandrew ignore list.
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2017-02-24T20:06:01 < aandrew> I thought you were talking copper 10G. fiber 10G sure :-)
2017-02-24T20:08:15 < kakimir> is there symbols that could mess up a string other than " ?
2017-02-24T20:09:42 < aandrew> a backslash with quote could do it
2017-02-24T20:09:53 < aandrew> zeroes (does the parser use null terminated strings?)
2017-02-24T20:11:57 < kakimir> what if strings are in x macro
2017-02-24T20:12:12 < kakimir> if there is comma inside
2017-02-24T20:12:19 < kakimir> does it split
2017-02-24T20:12:36 < kakimir> *inside "strin,g"
2017-02-24T20:13:40 < aandrew> perhaps if you told us what you're trying to do...
2017-02-24T20:20:26 < kakimir> my x macro started syntac erroring
2017-02-24T20:21:50 < kakimir> I removed commas
2017-02-24T20:22:07 < kakimir> there is still some () and <> left in strings
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2017-02-24T20:29:27 < kakimir> do macro care about anythin else than comma?
2017-02-24T20:29:40 < kakimir> maybe ()?
2017-02-24T20:29:47 < kakimir> but inside string
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2017-02-24T20:34:02 < kakimir> how to even debug macros
2017-02-24T20:39:40 < kakimir> okay what do I do?
2017-02-24T20:40:45 < kakimir> everything was working until it wasn't
2017-02-24T20:41:06 < kakimir> checked commas and "
2017-02-24T20:43:49 < kakimir> it would be nice to see it
2017-02-24T20:45:40 < kakimir> preprocess only (-E)
2017-02-24T20:46:15 < kakimir> what should be the file extension?
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2017-02-24T20:50:05 < kakimir> .o I bet
2017-02-24T20:52:19 < kakimir> found the problem line but I need to pee badly before reading
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2017-02-24T20:57:13 < kakimir> problem was found
2017-02-24T21:02:39 < kakimir> bugs are getting smarter
2017-02-24T21:03:19 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTk1qa0dPM3d4cjA/view?usp=sharing
2017-02-24T21:03:46 < Steffanx> kakimir are you beaky?
2017-02-24T21:03:59 < kakimir> almost unrecognizable in IDE
2017-02-24T21:06:29 < zyp> Ecco, ok, I don't think it applies to f4
2017-02-24T21:06:31 < kakimir> wasn't beaky like a saudi?
2017-02-24T21:07:52 < kakimir> anyone know about aftermarket chargers to toyota yaris hybrid?
2017-02-24T21:08:11 < zyp> chargers?
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2017-02-24T21:08:34 < kakimir> friend bought one I think if he really likes the car he should put mains charger in it
2017-02-24T21:08:47 < zyp> you mean converting it to a PHEV?
2017-02-24T21:09:09 < zyp> sounds pointless, battery is so small it doesn't make sense
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2017-02-24T21:10:37 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-24T21:10:56 < kakimir> they use additional battery packs
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2017-02-24T21:14:18 < kakimir> zyp: you know the power figures of yaris hybrid electric motor?
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2017-02-24T21:39:06 < kakimir> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixMWhpg0iXU
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2017-02-24T21:44:39 < kakimir> I don't understand it my project has standard libraries in redlib
2017-02-24T21:45:53 < kakimir> thing called lpc_chip_15xx has arm-none-eabi standard libs
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2017-02-24T22:00:43 < kakimir> hmm
2017-02-24T22:01:00 < kakimir> I think I need to implement macro based CRC32
2017-02-24T22:01:51 < kakimir> case switch needs constants
2017-02-24T22:02:14 < kakimir> how do I compile time crc32?
2017-02-24T22:03:34 < kakimir> can I use anything external to result into constant values?
2017-02-24T22:03:53 < kakimir> crc32.exe
2017-02-24T22:03:53 < jpa-> https://github.com/Smoothieware/Smoothieware/blob/edge/src/libs/checksumm.h   you can steal it from smoothieware
2017-02-24T22:04:36 < kakimir> what are they doing?
2017-02-24T22:04:41 < jpa-> they have either 6-line c++11 version or 200-line macro version
2017-02-24T22:05:15 < jpa-> though that is not CRC32, but same idea
2017-02-24T22:05:38 < kakimir> I have CRC peripheral so I rather ue it
2017-02-24T22:05:39 < kakimir> use
2017-02-24T22:06:02 < jpa-> uh, at compile time? :P
2017-02-24T22:06:19 < kakimir> runtime
2017-02-24T22:07:27 < kakimir> maybe I just ifelse all the 60commands
2017-02-24T22:07:43 < jpa-> why are you using CRC for commands?
2017-02-24T22:08:33 < jpa-> and.. i really hope you are not doing something like    if (crc32(command_from_user) == crc32("reboot"))
2017-02-24T22:08:46 < kakimir> no
2017-02-24T22:08:49 < kakimir> precount stuff
2017-02-24T22:09:10 < jpa-> ?
2017-02-24T22:09:51 < kakimir>  if (crc32(command_from_user) == PRECOUNT_REBOOT_CRC32){ reboot(); }
2017-02-24T22:09:59 < jpa-> but what's the point
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2017-02-24T22:10:13 < kakimir> just fooling around
2017-02-24T22:10:14 < jpa-> why not just   if (strcmp(command_from_user, "reboot") == 0) { reboot(); }
2017-02-24T22:10:26 < kakimir> I think it has to be faster
2017-02-24T22:10:43 < Fleck> ;p
2017-02-24T22:10:48 < jpa-> eh
2017-02-24T22:11:02 < jpa-> what do you think is slow about strcmp?
2017-02-24T22:11:05 < sync_> are you running in performance issues?
2017-02-24T22:11:09 < sync_> if not, stop autisming
2017-02-24T22:11:15 < sync_> :)
2017-02-24T22:11:21 < kakimir> I'm this far so
2017-02-24T22:11:29 < kakimir> I'm going to pull this off
2017-02-24T22:11:47 < jpa-> it really just loads values from ram and compares them, i can't see how computing CRC32 could be faster; comparing it could be slightly faster than the most stupid byte-per-byte strcmp implementation, but then you could just make a faster strcmp
2017-02-24T22:11:49 < kakimir> everything is set but case switch don't like it
2017-02-24T22:12:45 < kakimir> jpa-: when you need real performance you make per character condition tree that results into called functionality
2017-02-24T22:12:56 < kakimir> in high load web stuffs and such
2017-02-24T22:13:10 < jpa-> or just hash table with function pointers
2017-02-24T22:13:28 < kakimir> boom
2017-02-24T22:14:11 < kakimir> is there like way to have compiletime constant to be set in ram when program loads?
2017-02-24T22:14:25 < kakimir> with some attribute to it
2017-02-24T22:14:47 < jpa-> no, your switch case won't like it
2017-02-24T22:15:02 < kakimir> if else it is then
2017-02-24T22:15:14 < jpa-> such performance optimizations
2017-02-24T22:15:24 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-24T22:15:31 < jpa-> world's fastest command parser, if only it didn't have to run through 60 branches per every command
2017-02-24T22:16:14 < kakimir> I could do statistical analysis and change the order
2017-02-24T22:16:30 < kakimir> but how about changing that order on fly
2017-02-24T22:17:01 < kakimir> with alternating code
2017-02-24T22:17:16 < jpa-> it's still stupid, it's just slightly faster kind of stupid
2017-02-24T22:17:23 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-24T22:17:28 < kakimir> I should not do it
2017-02-24T22:17:41 < kakimir> comparing 2 32bit intergers wont take long
2017-02-24T22:17:55 < kakimir> even it there is 60 compares to do
2017-02-24T22:18:37 < jpa-> it has to fetch them from ram
2017-02-24T22:19:03 < kakimir> only the second part
2017-02-24T22:20:00 < kakimir> and ram is super fast if you compare to comparing strings in flash
2017-02-24T22:20:52 < Thorn> Mr. jpa- Sir your wish has come true, I implemented a printf-like format in https://github.com/pthorn/safe-formatted-print
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2017-02-24T22:21:06 < jpa-> you can always make your own CAST_STRING_TO_UINT64() macro if you feel like autisming
2017-02-24T22:21:16 < jpa-> Thorn: :)
2017-02-24T22:21:30 < kakimir> my commands are long
2017-02-24T22:21:31 < Thorn> I'll add some documentation shortly
2017-02-24T22:21:41 < kakimir> like 30char
2017-02-24T22:21:56 < kakimir> wher there might be 29 same characters
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2017-02-24T22:46:39 < kakimir> if it wasn't inclusion problems my code would be running
2017-02-24T22:48:51 < Steffanx> fix paths
2017-02-24T22:50:17 < kakimir> it doesn't even include in itself
2017-02-24T22:51:09 < kakimir> "portability.h" has PACKED defines in it and those are not working unless I paste PACKED define in the exact file
2017-02-24T22:51:38 < kakimir> I think soon I will copypaste these files and merge project
2017-02-24T22:51:47 < kakimir> merge projects
2017-02-24T22:57:09 < Steffanx> Did you fix your stdint issue yet mr kakimir?
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2017-02-24T23:03:15 < kakimir> I wont
2017-02-24T23:03:28 < kakimir> I think I will copypaste files to my project and be done
2017-02-24T23:03:33 < kakimir> maybe subdir
2017-02-24T23:05:14 < kakimir> I need to eat and sleep soon I need to wake at 530fukinAM
2017-02-24T23:07:17 < Steffanx> Why kakimir. Need to work hard?
2017-02-24T23:11:27 < Laurenceb> no longer NEET?
2017-02-24T23:19:04 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nap0gtds5tQ
2017-02-24T23:19:36 < upgrdman> is it braindead to wire stepper motors in parallel? e.g. if i have like 12 steppers, and have them work in pairs
2017-02-24T23:21:30 < sync_> yes/no
2017-02-24T23:21:45 < sync_> it's not the best solution but it can be done
2017-02-24T23:21:51 < sync_> in series would probably be better
2017-02-24T23:22:08 < Steffanx> that cant be real Laurenceb
2017-02-24T23:22:43 < upgrdman> sync_, so have the two "a" coils in series, and the two "b" coils in series, and drive at twice the rated voltage?
2017-02-24T23:22:59 < sync_> well
2017-02-24T23:23:04 < sync_> you drive them at the rated current
2017-02-24T23:23:09 < sync_> they don't care about the voltage
2017-02-24T23:23:16 < upgrdman> err ya forogt theyre current controller
2017-02-24T23:23:27 < upgrdman> controlled*
2017-02-24T23:25:10 < kakimir> I need to work work like 2days a week
2017-02-24T23:25:36 < kakimir> sometimes 7days 2 weeks an after that nothing
2017-02-24T23:25:43 < upgrdman> so if im going to be abusive and drive at >rated current, is the only concern to keep the coils below the enamel burning/weakening temp? or will the curie point be below that and i need to worry about that?
2017-02-24T23:26:02 < Steffanx> What does kakimir do?
2017-02-24T23:26:11 < upgrdman> i want some cheap, light-weight steppers that'll only be use for 5-10 minutes at a time :)
2017-02-24T23:27:11 < sync_> upgrdman: well
2017-02-24T23:27:17 < sync_> you can demag them with overcurrent
2017-02-24T23:27:41 < upgrdman> o
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2017-02-24T23:30:19 < kakimir> factory maintenance
2017-02-24T23:35:03 < jadew> interesting, copper wire of 1.3 mm diameter, which also has a cross sectional area of about 1.3 mm, has a resistance 0.1 mOhm/cm
2017-02-24T23:35:42 < jadew> easy to cut for the needed value
2017-02-24T23:36:33 < jadew> what is an Ohm?
2017-02-24T23:36:53 < sync_> the problem is that it changes quite a lot with temperature
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2017-02-24T23:37:25 < jadew> I suspect it gets higher, which is not a problem for what I'm using it for (heating element for a soldering gun)
2017-02-24T23:37:36 < sync_> use nichrome
2017-02-24T23:37:39 < jadew> I measured the original element and it was 1 mOhm
2017-02-24T23:37:58 < jadew> it will get hotter?
2017-02-24T23:38:51 < sync_> it will not wear as fast
2017-02-24T23:39:12 < jadew> eh, I have 10s of meter of copper wire
2017-02-24T23:39:19 < jadew> *meters
2017-02-24T23:39:45 < jadew> I wish it was that easy with soldering iron tips
2017-02-24T23:44:23 < jadew> kind of poor construction on this iron
2017-02-24T23:44:58 < jadew> made in mexico
2017-02-24T23:45:53 < jadew> the plastic doesn't fit well and it scratched me
2017-02-24T23:47:01 < Steffanx> Hello Mr. Crt. why arent you in the shop?
2017-02-24T23:48:05 < Steffanx> Stop petting your cat.
2017-02-24T23:50:25 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: What software do you use to script the ADALM1000?
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2017-02-25T00:42:09 < upgrdman> so i want to drive 6 stepper motors, pref'ly cheap and simple. is something like 6 LM298's the cheapest way? for a fuckton of half-bridge transistor networks chips?
2017-02-25T00:42:16 < upgrdman> s/for/or
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2017-02-25T01:41:22 < stvn> yes
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2017-02-25T01:56:22 < jadew> any ideas on how to mersure a screw's pitch?
2017-02-25T01:56:29 < jadew> I can't tell if it's 0.8 mm or 1 mm
2017-02-25T01:56:40 < upgrdman> if i wanna use these with inductive loads (stepper motors) i need to add a diode between emitter and collector right? i dont see anything about "avalanche rated" etc :(  http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/MJE15028-D.PDF
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2017-02-25T01:57:00 < jadew> no, is there an obvious answer?
2017-02-25T01:57:24 < jadew> I can't use the caliper, it seems right both at 1 and 0.8
2017-02-25T01:57:48 < jadew> oh, good idea!
2017-02-25T01:57:49 < jadew> thanks
2017-02-25T01:58:08 < jadew> nice
2017-02-25T01:58:21 < jadew> I'll have to get one
2017-02-25T01:58:26 < fenugrec> upgrdman diodes always
2017-02-25T01:58:31 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-25T02:01:01 < jadew> seems to be slightly bigger than 1 mm
2017-02-25T02:01:12 < fenugrec> it goes on the coil though
2017-02-25T02:01:43 < jadew> nice, how much was it?
2017-02-25T02:05:29 < stvn> can i see it LeelooMinai 
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2017-02-25T02:18:52 < jadew> I can't find this type of screw
2017-02-25T02:20:04 < jadew> can't find to buy it
2017-02-25T02:20:14 < jadew> I'll give it one more try
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2017-02-25T02:22:41 < jadew> so... it looks like M3 with 1.1 pitch and 7.5 mm length :/
2017-02-25T02:22:49 < stvn> cool
2017-02-25T02:23:08 < jadew> indeed
2017-02-25T02:23:10 < upgrdman> maybe it's 4-40
2017-02-25T02:23:17 < upgrdman> and not 3mm
2017-02-25T02:24:16 < jadew> it might be
2017-02-25T02:25:04 < fenugrec> 1.1m pitch... sounds like 24tpi
2017-02-25T02:25:52 < fenugrec> pretty coarse for 3mm
2017-02-25T02:26:18 < sync_> yeah
2017-02-25T02:26:36 < stvn> pretty weird, cut
2017-02-25T02:26:52 < fenugrec> jadew what's that from
2017-02-25T02:26:55 < fenugrec> pix
2017-02-25T02:27:08 < jadew> fenugrec, a radio, they used M3 on the outside and that thing on the inside
2017-02-25T02:27:14 < jadew> regular M3
2017-02-25T02:27:21 < fenugrec> does it screw into plastic or what
2017-02-25T02:27:29 < jadew> aluminium
2017-02-25T02:27:39 < fenugrec> oh right, not tapped threads or a nut
2017-02-25T02:27:51 < jadew> image on its way
2017-02-25T02:28:09 < fenugrec> yeah good luck finding a perfect match. Just tap bigger, or use something similar that'll make its own threads in the alu
2017-02-25T02:28:51 < sync_> LeelooMinai: beltdrive the encoder
2017-02-25T02:29:14 < jadew> http://5.12.167.98/stuff/20170225_022000.jpg
2017-02-25T02:29:21 < sync_> if you want to do ridgid tapping just machine a disc that is on the spindle nose
2017-02-25T02:29:25 < sync_> to your spindle
2017-02-25T02:29:56 < upgrdman> thats not a machine screw
2017-02-25T02:30:01 < sync_> yeah
2017-02-25T02:30:06 < upgrdman> ya wood screw or plastic self-tapper
2017-02-25T02:30:16 < jadew> wouldn't those be pointy?
2017-02-25T02:30:21 < fenugrec> jadew heh I know the type. I have bottles full of those, scavenged from various machines. Crappy metalscrew, not for machined threads
2017-02-25T02:30:38 < jadew> I see
2017-02-25T02:31:22 < jadew> pan head, right?
2017-02-25T02:31:36 < fenugrec> I'd say yes
2017-02-25T02:33:06 < jadew> thanks
2017-02-25T02:34:36 < stvn> Laurenceb has taken over apple
2017-02-25T02:35:18 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/HGA5VEO.jpg
2017-02-25T02:35:21 < stvn> what the fk
2017-02-25T02:35:54 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-25T02:38:13 < sync_> LeelooMinai: reasonably, if it is quite light in it self, no real problems
2017-02-25T02:39:33 < sync_> why would it
2017-02-25T02:40:17 < sync_> nah, it's fine
2017-02-25T02:40:30 < upgrdman> just dont use a shit belt
2017-02-25T02:40:35 < sync_> your belt suppliers handbook will tell you
2017-02-25T02:40:37 < upgrdman> e.g. stop buying from ali
2017-02-25T02:40:47 < sync_> I just use contitech
2017-02-25T02:41:40 < sync_> given that they are made ~600m from here
2017-02-25T02:41:42 < sync_> yes
2017-02-25T02:42:39 < sync_> if you have one of those chinese milling spindles you can integrate something in the back shell
2017-02-25T02:45:11 < sync_> great
2017-02-25T02:45:46 < sync_> take that off and add an external fan
2017-02-25T02:45:52 < sync_> will make the thing much quieter
2017-02-25T02:46:13 < sync_> but there is not much value in adding an encoder
2017-02-25T02:46:21 < sync_> as your spindle does not have a lot of torque
2017-02-25T02:46:32 < sync_> the cooling demand is not really high
2017-02-25T02:46:42 < sync_> and there is no reason that the fan needs to spin so fast
2017-02-25T02:47:07 < upgrdman> just get a fan with a blade pitch of like 1 degree ;)
2017-02-25T02:49:05 < sync_> get contitech.
2017-02-25T02:49:12 < sync_> cheap belts are not worth it
2017-02-25T02:49:16 < sync_> and good belts are still cheap
2017-02-25T02:49:35 < sync_> contitech is germoney
2017-02-25T02:49:58 < sync_> continental technology
2017-02-25T02:50:16 < sync_> yes, the tire guys
2017-02-25T02:50:49 < sync_> well, as long as the outside of the spindle does not pass 80°C you will be fine
2017-02-25T02:54:48 < sync_> they are also sold in loops
2017-02-25T02:55:20 < sync_> you can get a kistler 3 axis force gauge for chatter detection
2017-02-25T02:55:25 < sync_> or mount accels on the spindle
2017-02-25T02:55:37 < sync_> you can even mount piezos to dynamically dampen it
2017-02-25T03:00:17 < sync_> the kistler gauges are used in production to monitor tool wear
2017-02-25T03:00:52 < sync_> suprisingly expensive too
2017-02-25T03:02:57 < sync_> well, they contain three piezos
2017-02-25T03:03:01 < sync_> and cost over 40k
2017-02-25T03:03:10 < sync_> just because kistler has the market covered
2017-02-25T03:03:11 < stvn> the stvn amplifier
2017-02-25T03:03:16 < stvn> coming soon to stm32
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2017-02-25T03:06:30 < sync_> the counterforce systems work suprisingly well
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2017-02-25T03:07:18 < sync_> although I'm not a fan of compensating mechanical deficiencies in software
2017-02-25T03:07:50 < sync_> what kind of frequencies would you expect?
2017-02-25T03:08:26 < sync_> yes, they have a mass attatched
2017-02-25T03:09:25 < sync_> yes
2017-02-25T03:09:41 < stvn> pretty weird. cut.
2017-02-25T03:09:58 < stvn> yak shaving
2017-02-25T03:10:00 < stvn> a favourite
2017-02-25T03:10:42 < sync_> not at all
2017-02-25T03:10:55 < branjb> not super familiar with lwip, can you use it without an rtos?  what does that look like, data via interrupts or via polling?
2017-02-25T03:11:27 < sync_> you want to move the eigenfrequencies of the machines up over about 600Hz and dynamicall dampen the lower ones out
2017-02-25T03:12:03 < sync_> that way you get lighter machines with higher accel with improved cutting capacity
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2017-02-25T03:16:55 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-02-25T03:17:32 < emeb_mac> nada
2017-02-25T03:17:57  * Laurenceb_ has been lurking on okcupid again
2017-02-25T03:18:28 < Laurenceb_> found a grrl who looked a bit original and def wasn't a rooshv bot
2017-02-25T03:18:43 < stvn> Laurenceb_, did you see my link
2017-02-25T03:18:45 < Laurenceb_> stalk her on twitter, turns out she is full 1488
2017-02-25T03:18:50 < zyp> finding anybody that's willing to put up with you?
2017-02-25T03:19:03 < stvn> Laurenceb_, http://i.imgur.com/HGA5VEO.jpg
2017-02-25T03:19:04 < Laurenceb_> and also into paganism and esoteric mystic druidism
2017-02-25T03:19:06 < stvn> hi zyp
2017-02-25T03:19:09 < zyp> sup?
2017-02-25T03:19:17 < stvn> nothin much, just thinking about amplifiers
2017-02-25T03:19:27 < Laurenceb_> I mean I can put up with gassing the kikes but the rest was taking it a bit too far
2017-02-25T03:19:49 < Laurenceb_> wtf stvn??
2017-02-25T03:19:58 < Laurenceb_> I have an impostor?
2017-02-25T03:20:39 < stvn> trump has the launch codes
2017-02-25T03:20:49 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should try to hook up again with my gf from uni
2017-02-25T03:20:57 < stvn> why bother
2017-02-25T03:21:12 < Laurenceb_> but she is working as patent lawyer or something and probably thinks I'm a poor loser
2017-02-25T03:21:27 < jadew> why did you break up?
2017-02-25T03:21:39 < Laurenceb_> dunno...
2017-02-25T03:21:55 < zyp> jadew, why the fuck do you think? have you never talked to Laurenceb_ before?
2017-02-25T03:21:56 < Laurenceb_> just too lazy to meet up any more 
2017-02-25T03:22:03 < branjb> what is 1488?
2017-02-25T03:22:03 < jadew> haha zyp
2017-02-25T03:22:03 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2017-02-25T03:22:36 < Laurenceb_> branjb: www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=14%2F88
2017-02-25T03:22:46 < branjb> sieg heil
2017-02-25T03:22:56 < Laurenceb_> indeed
2017-02-25T03:23:23 < englishman> hello stm32 chatters
2017-02-25T03:23:29 < Laurenceb_> problem with ex is she had a mutation that effected her neck
2017-02-25T03:23:39 < englishman> I see stm32 is not the current topic, I'll see myself out
2017-02-25T03:23:46 < zyp> good idea
2017-02-25T03:23:46 < Laurenceb_> dunno if it was hereditary
2017-02-25T03:24:12 < Laurenceb_> but even after surgery she had speed impediment, drooling, and generally looked full retard
2017-02-25T03:24:37 < Laurenceb_> so if we went out people would think I was abusing someone with mental age of about 6
2017-02-25T03:24:46 < Laurenceb_> but it was all good fun as we could troll ppl
2017-02-25T03:30:25 < jadew> I take it she never went on top
2017-02-25T03:34:36 < aandrew> what is "full 1488" ?
2017-02-25T03:35:06 < sync_> nazi aandrew 
2017-02-25T03:35:08 < aandrew> oh I see
2017-02-25T03:35:14 < aandrew> yeah I just read a little further in backlog :-)
2017-02-25T03:35:31 < sync_> it is how you spot the idiots here in germany looking at their plates
2017-02-25T03:35:52 < Laurenceb_> its funny cuz she was literally the first profile that wasnt a clone of every other profile
2017-02-25T03:36:07 < Laurenceb_> okcupid is awful
2017-02-25T03:36:14 < jadew> profile?
2017-02-25T03:36:23 < jadew> you used a dating site?
2017-02-25T03:36:25 < Laurenceb_> like page.. thing
2017-02-25T03:36:30 < Laurenceb_> I visited...
2017-02-25T03:36:54 < Laurenceb_> it was quite cancerous
2017-02-25T03:37:37 < jadew> why don't you use that tinder thing
2017-02-25T03:37:43 < jadew> I hear it's quite popular
2017-02-25T03:38:04 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-02-25T03:38:26 < Laurenceb_> instantaidsguarenteed.com
2017-02-25T03:40:14 < Laurenceb_> I'd live in hope of that happening judging from okcupid
2017-02-25T03:40:32 < Laurenceb_> its like the output of some script
2017-02-25T03:41:03 < Laurenceb_> sounds like me
2017-02-25T03:41:08 < Laurenceb_>  :P
2017-02-25T03:41:27 < jadew> what's maga?
2017-02-25T03:41:36 < Laurenceb_> I did suspect the involvement of RooshV, but I wonder if they are just that boring
2017-02-25T03:41:46 < Laurenceb_> MakeAmericaGreatAgain
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2017-02-25T03:42:19 < Laurenceb_> apparently RooshV/his fans run profile generator scripts for the lulz
2017-02-25T03:43:29 < Laurenceb_> there is only one option: grindr
2017-02-25T03:44:25 < Laurenceb_> correct, but my half brother voted for Trump
2017-02-25T03:44:40 < Laurenceb_> my dad isn't talking to him now, epic lulz
2017-02-25T03:45:02 < stvn> autiste
2017-02-25T03:46:20 < Laurenceb_> the life autistic with steve zissou
2017-02-25T03:46:35 < stvn> ye
2017-02-25T03:46:38 < stvn> welcome 
2017-02-25T03:47:41 < Laurenceb_> I met my former School IT technician in supermarket earlier
2017-02-25T03:47:49 < Laurenceb_>  "OI... YOU!!!"
2017-02-25T03:48:41 < Laurenceb_>  "UR THAT ASSHOLE WHO PUT THE GAY PORN ON THE OVERHEAD PROJECTORS WHEN TONY BLAIR WAS VISITING!!"
2017-02-25T03:48:50 < Laurenceb_> I virtually had to run away
2017-02-25T03:49:04 < stvn> what a faggot
2017-02-25T03:49:34 < Laurenceb_> seems he never forgot 
2017-02-25T03:49:44 < stvn> can i lay one on ya
2017-02-25T03:50:08 < Laurenceb_> apparently the timing was perfect, Blair walks into main hall and gay porno with him and Bush pasted in starts up
2017-02-25T03:50:32 < stvn> my ex ex ex girlfriend had a weird brother
2017-02-25T03:50:47 < stvn> he recorded a video of himself masturbating while reading a poem
2017-02-25T03:50:54 < stvn> submitted it for a year 11 project
2017-02-25T03:52:03 < stvn> they told him 'not to come back next year'
2017-02-25T03:52:40 < stvn> his name actually was steven
2017-02-25T03:52:57 < jadew> and your ex ex ex gf was your sister
2017-02-25T03:53:03 < stvn> was waiting for that
2017-02-25T03:54:40 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: epic trollage
2017-02-25T03:54:59 < Laurenceb_> yeah I still haven't managed to exceed that bit of trolling
2017-02-25T03:55:26 < Laurenceb_> got excluded for 1 month and banned from school computers for the rest of my time there
2017-02-25T03:56:15 < emeb_mac> once we were out at a fancy restaurant and conversation turned to politics - talking about how such and such politician was such a neanderthal - looked over and the dude was at the next table.
2017-02-25T03:57:10 < Laurenceb_> I have photos of Tony Blairs car somewhere...
2017-02-25T03:57:50 < Laurenceb_> it looked like a lame jag from a distance but up close its quite heavily modified, but nothing like US presidential limo
2017-02-25T03:58:38 < Laurenceb_> bulletproof gas, kevlar door panels, some sort of sat modem on the roof and special ventilation system seemed to be the mods
2017-02-25T03:59:26 < Laurenceb_> there was nobody about and I managed to walk right round it, take look under bonnet etc, wouldn't manage that in US lol
2017-02-25T03:59:49 < emeb_mac> yeah - pretty sure that Secret Service would have your ass for tha
2017-02-25T03:59:53 < stvn> was there a penis pump on the seat
2017-02-25T04:00:05 < Laurenceb_> lulno
2017-02-25T04:00:15 < stvn> why not
2017-02-25T04:00:16 < Laurenceb_> *glass
2017-02-25T04:01:00 < emeb_mac> NBC air filter - Nuclear/Biological/Chemical
2017-02-25T04:01:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah probably that
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2017-02-25T04:02:15 < emeb_mac> Once worked in the Intel site at Petach Tikva Isreal - one of the conference rooms was a shelter with NBC air filters and hand-cranked fans for emergencies.
2017-02-25T04:02:36 < Laurenceb_> I was inside the security cordon as I was supposed to be helping to organise the opening of new buildings... actually I was checking out the car and rigging the projectors
2017-02-25T04:02:56 < emeb_mac> working on your CV
2017-02-25T04:03:03 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-02-25T04:07:38 < stvn> this is the work of pro Laurence
2017-02-25T04:08:29 < emeb_mac> performance art
2017-02-25T04:08:54 < stvn> better than pumping
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2017-02-25T04:25:59 < BrainDamage> just read everything from laurenceb as a greentext
2017-02-25T04:26:18 < BrainDamage> extreme skepticism and very likely not happened
2017-02-25T04:28:02 < PeterM> i was almost expecting it to end in 
2017-02-25T04:28:04 < PeterM> >am bear
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2017-02-25T04:30:01 < jadew> I never met a public figure that I admire
2017-02-25T04:30:52 < jadew> don't know what that is
2017-02-25T04:30:57 < jadew> I didn't click the link
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2017-02-25T05:03:28 < emeb_mac> "I find your lack of faith disturbing"
2017-02-25T05:13:51 < dongs> hello dongs
2017-02-25T05:13:53 < dongs> just woke up
2017-02-25T05:14:14 < jadew> morning
2017-02-25T05:14:30 < dongs> (its like 12 noon)
2017-02-25T05:14:49 < jadew>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
2017-02-25T05:14:55 < jadew> oops
2017-02-25T05:15:00 < dongs> that broke my terminal
2017-02-25T05:15:04 < jadew> heh
2017-02-25T05:15:06 < jadew> sorry
2017-02-25T05:16:27 < jadew> I ketp space pressed by mistake, then I typed something
2017-02-25T05:16:37 < dongs> oh
2017-02-25T05:16:50 < dongs> i just assumed you pasted some unicode trash
2017-02-25T05:17:31 < jadew> no, I think I changed my position on the chair, since it's been happening a lot lately
2017-02-25T05:17:40 < jadew> (I keep the keyboard on my lap)
2017-02-25T05:18:24 < stvn> hello dongs
2017-02-25T05:18:30 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39077293 news relevant to jadew
2017-02-25T05:19:02 < stvn> today im reconing speakers
2017-02-25T05:19:14 < dongs> operation speaker recon
2017-02-25T05:19:19 < jadew> 95% of heterosexual men
2017-02-25T05:19:24 < jadew> this is what's important for me
2017-02-25T05:20:35 < jadew> weird that lebians have more orgasms than straight chicks
2017-02-25T05:20:44 < stvn> lol.
2017-02-25T05:21:00 < stvn> dont you know ladyboys suck the best dick
2017-02-25T05:21:29 < jadew> ok, you have a point
2017-02-25T05:21:57 < jadew> so we can conclude that ladies fail at communication
2017-02-25T05:22:00 < stvn> lesbians tend to do more ass to mouth
2017-02-25T05:22:35 < jadew> if we were told what they already knew, then perhaps that percentage would be higher
2017-02-25T05:22:58 < stvn> perhaps
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2017-02-25T05:35:57 < dongs> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/24/college-feces-swastika-found-in-gender-neutral-bathroom.html
2017-02-25T05:38:39 < jadew> "gender-neutral bathroom" I thought it's a common bathroom at first
2017-02-25T05:38:54 < jadew> but the rest of the article implies that they have 3
2017-02-25T05:40:27 < jadew> they help the seggregation and then they're upset people turn on eachother
2017-02-25T05:40:53 < dongs> the real question is, which one does LeelooMan goes to
2017-02-25T05:41:38 < dongs> Additionally, M2F women ARE women. If you think a women's bathroom is a necessary safe space, well then both cis and trans women should be allowed to be there. That said, I prefer gender neutral bathrooms, but that is a separate issue. None.
2017-02-25T05:41:46 < dongs> lol lol
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2017-02-25T05:50:05 < emeb_mac> hmmm... bought 20x stm32f042f6p6 from future for $20. Now, what to do with them...
2017-02-25T05:51:26 < emeb_mac> hrhr
2017-02-25T05:51:36 < emeb_mac> there's always a boom tomorrow
2017-02-25T05:52:28 < emeb_mac> they do have some oddly good prices, but only from time to time
2017-02-25T05:52:35 < ohsix> buns
2017-02-25T05:53:33 < emeb_mac> seems so
2017-02-25T05:54:33 < emeb_mac> got a bunch of F7 in tqfp100 for $10 a while back - haven't seen that price in a long time.
2017-02-25T05:55:22 < ds2> blah... TQFP
2017-02-25T05:55:49 < emeb_mac> yeah - ds2 only does teh bgas now
2017-02-25T05:55:51 < aandrew> what do you guys like to use for USB power control?
2017-02-25T05:55:56 < ds2> QFN
2017-02-25T05:55:59 < aandrew> currnet monitor/disconnect type shit
2017-02-25T05:56:14 < ds2> tired of dealing the pins bending and causing problems
2017-02-25T05:56:28 < dongs> aandrew: there are parts for that
2017-02-25T05:56:35 < dongs> you mean for USB host to current limit?
2017-02-25T05:56:47 < emeb_mac> ds2: learn to drag solder. No problem.
2017-02-25T05:57:03 < dongs> 'current limited switch' usually called.
2017-02-25T05:57:06 < ds2> emeb_mac: easier to pop it in the oven
2017-02-25T05:57:13 < aandrew> yes
2017-02-25T05:57:15 < ds2> a little paste and bake
2017-02-25T05:57:18 < aandrew> that's what I'm asking for, what you guys have used
2017-02-25T05:57:37 < emeb_mac> ds2: I'm just starting to get used to that. Haven't quite got it down yet
2017-02-25T05:57:52 < emeb_mac> but then I'm using kapton stencils, so not pro enough I guess
2017-02-25T05:57:59 < ds2> emeb_mac: I use kapton too
2017-02-25T05:58:01 < emeb_mac> still like hand soldering
2017-02-25T05:58:12 < ds2> no controller, just pop it in and watch it reflow then kill heat
2017-02-25T05:58:23 < emeb_mac> ds2: yeah - I use a heatgun
2017-02-25T05:58:31 < emeb_mac> apply until shiny - done
2017-02-25T05:58:34 < ds2> heat gun is nice too
2017-02-25T05:58:42 < englishman> aandrew: like TPS2552DBV ?
2017-02-25T05:58:51 < ds2> problem with QFP is the pins can get bent when handling
2017-02-25T05:58:58 < ds2> then you get an open on one pin..GRRRR
2017-02-25T05:59:00 < emeb_mac> haven't had that issue
2017-02-25T05:59:09 < ds2> maybe I am rougher with them :D
2017-02-25T05:59:09 < ohsix> ds2: how do you bend the legs
2017-02-25T05:59:26 < ds2> ohsix: bumping, dropping them on the board due to tweezer issues
2017-02-25T05:59:34 < englishman> well, dont do that
2017-02-25T05:59:35 < ohsix> heheh since i got some solder paste i've been using it 99% of the time, even if i finish with the iron
2017-02-25T05:59:48 < ohsix> i can stick it on under the microscope or whatever
2017-02-25T05:59:53 < ohsix> it's not bad
2017-02-25T06:00:36 < ohsix> need to kit up at home, hot air from solder station and microscope is useful for tons of shit :[
2017-02-25T06:03:49 < aandrew> englishman: yeah, that'd work
2017-02-25T06:04:10 < aandrew> also see the AP2171 or AP2152 for 1 port or dual (both are under a buck in singles)
2017-02-25T06:04:32 < dongs> my 4/5 trace/space chinapcb arrived
2017-02-25T06:04:41 < dongs> quality looks ok, same awful silk tho
2017-02-25T06:05:07 < englishman> only thing ive had to watch out for is overcurrent latch on/off vs. current limiting
2017-02-25T06:05:52 < ohsix> you can always do wat cheap pc vendors do, and hold the power off while there's usb overcurrent
2017-02-25T06:05:58 < ohsix> the whole, damn, thing
2017-02-25T06:06:44 < ohsix> need an amp on the current sense though olol
2017-02-25T06:07:57 < englishman> ice storm going on, saw a bright green flash
2017-02-25T06:08:00 < englishman> dont see the city lights anymore
2017-02-25T06:08:36 < englishman> f72x max flash is 512k :(
2017-02-25T06:09:12 < emeb_mac> so?
2017-02-25T06:10:02 < englishman> current software stack is alread ~380k + config space + logging space
2017-02-25T06:11:23 < dongs> maybe if you didnt use java
2017-02-25T06:11:28 < dongs> it would be only 80k
2017-02-25T06:15:44 < emeb_mac> just add some qspi
2017-02-25T06:15:56 < emeb_mac> cheap, megabytes
2017-02-25T06:16:16 < emeb_mac> esp. with all that config & log space
2017-02-25T06:16:29 < englishman> OUTAGE 1811 customers without electricity
2017-02-25T06:16:30 < englishman> haha
2017-02-25T06:16:50 < englishman> well space is pretty limited unfortunately
2017-02-25T06:16:56 < ohsix> i met an englishman that was kewl
2017-02-25T06:16:59 < ohsix> had gaelic name
2017-02-25T06:18:10 < englishman> and going to cheaper f72x + paying for flash, might as well just move to f745 if its only for that extra 512k
2017-02-25T06:18:31 < englishman> but at this point its just tossing ideas around
2017-02-25T06:18:39 < ohsix> you could try using the extra flash on the 72, it is probably there
2017-02-25T06:19:27 < dongs> that last line sounds awfully like readerroring
2017-02-25T06:19:38 < dongs> i'm disappointed
2017-02-25T06:19:47 < englishman> well
2017-02-25T06:19:55 < englishman> the problems with the current design arent entirely known
2017-02-25T06:20:10 < englishman> st confirmed that the problems we were seeing with dma2 arent consistent with their errata
2017-02-25T06:20:28 < englishman> in f405
2017-02-25T06:22:54 < dongs> DMA is used for what
2017-02-25T06:23:56 < englishman> bunch of stuff?
2017-02-25T06:24:00 < ohsix> the one uart thing on the avr blows it
2017-02-25T06:26:33 < dongs> fuck dragged chrome window and it jsut crashed
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2017-02-25T06:48:53 < ohsix> but windows 10 says it's faster and shit
2017-02-25T06:48:57 < ohsix> how can you argue with windows 10
2017-02-25T06:53:59 < branjb> is there a way to tell if a timer output in OC mode is high or low?
2017-02-25T06:54:38 < branjb> can't find which reg is changing
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2017-02-25T08:08:30 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/OffbeatThoroughIndianringneckparakeet
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2017-02-25T09:31:58 < upgrdman> heh, i forgot all about how i killed arduino pin 8 like 4 years ago when i was a noob.
2017-02-25T09:32:03 < upgrdman> now it bit me in the ass
2017-02-25T09:32:16 < upgrdman> shorting out my power rail
2017-02-25T09:32:49 < upgrdman> that fucking pin just outputs a 16MHz sine wave. like a clean sine wave too. wonder how the fuck that happened. guessing the die shorted it to the xtal pin or someshit
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2017-02-25T10:18:13 < dongs> ;what did you do?
2017-02-25T10:18:34 < dongs> tied gpio to vcc and then set it low?
2017-02-25T10:18:45 < upgrdman> no idea how i killed it 4 yrs ago
2017-02-25T10:18:56 < upgrdman> prolly something dumb like connected it to 12v or someshit
2017-02-25T10:19:04 < dongs> o
2017-02-25T10:19:10 < dongs> wait why are you doing retarduino shit
2017-02-25T10:19:29 < ohsix> cash money
2017-02-25T10:19:34 < upgrdman> but today i connected it to the base of a npn
2017-02-25T10:19:41 < upgrdman> dongs, video planning
2017-02-25T10:19:55 < upgrdman> working on centipede robot, dicking with arduino for some unless part of it
2017-02-25T10:20:08 < upgrdman> it will have an fpga too, which will actually do 99% of the work
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2017-02-25T10:21:48 < upgrdman> today i was nig'ing a discrete stepper driver with a shitduino nano
2017-02-25T10:22:09 < upgrdman> to try out some linkages for controling the legs
2017-02-25T10:22:29 < dongs> pretty sure a bluepill stm32 would be 100x more suitable
2017-02-25T10:22:35 < dongs> considering how it actally has working 3-phase hardware pwm
2017-02-25T10:23:01 < dongs> niggerduino has wat, 1 channel of 8bit pwm?
2017-02-25T10:23:01 < upgrdman> yes
2017-02-25T10:23:11 < upgrdman> but muh ad revenue
2017-02-25T10:23:20 < upgrdman> no one watches stm32 vids on dicktube
2017-02-25T10:23:20 < dongs> maybe two but one is used by arduino.cpp
2017-02-25T10:23:21 < dongs> so you cant
2017-02-25T10:23:36 < dongs> STM32 pros dont need youtube vids
2017-02-25T10:23:42 < upgrdman> that's what the fpga will be for. driving six stepper motors and prolly 3 or 4 servos
2017-02-25T10:24:07 < upgrdman> will prolly DIY etch the fpga pcb, and video it
2017-02-25T10:24:19 < upgrdman> my old ass pcb vids still get 1k+ per month each
2017-02-25T10:24:28 < upgrdman> views per month*
2017-02-25T10:25:00 < dongs> make sure to pick fpga with 0.4mm pitch balls
2017-02-25T10:25:19 < upgrdman> yes
2017-02-25T10:25:22 < zyp> 0.4mm itchy balls
2017-02-25T10:25:32 < dongs> zyp, email me a pic of arcin
2017-02-25T10:25:37 < dongs> i forgot waht teh shit it looks like
2017-02-25T10:25:38 < dongs> assembled
2017-02-25T10:25:54 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QTIae.JPG
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2017-02-25T10:26:09 < dongs> that owrks
2017-02-25T10:26:30 < zyp> status on assembly?
2017-02-25T10:26:46 < dongs> shipping 03/02
2017-02-25T10:26:54 < zyp> ah, nice
2017-02-25T10:27:10 < zyp> I should email you new addr then
2017-02-25T10:27:29 < dongs> yes that would be nice
2017-02-25T10:27:43 < zyp> done
2017-02-25T10:27:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: wat's the fpga for
2017-02-25T10:27:57 < dongs> i spent 1 0 mins looking trhrough all my reels searching for 10uF 1608
2017-02-25T10:28:07 < ohsix> er
2017-02-25T10:28:08 < ohsix> heh
2017-02-25T10:28:10 < dongs> then  turned around and it was on my desk
2017-02-25T10:28:51 < ohsix> upgrdman: why not dat shift register
2017-02-25T10:28:58 < ohsix> that stuff is all pretty 'slow'
2017-02-25T10:30:03 < ohsix> side benefit of latching the shift register so all the outputs change at the same time, lul
2017-02-25T10:30:48 < ohsix> lolwtf nxp
2017-02-25T10:31:20 < ohsix> http://assets.nexperia.com/documents/data-sheet/74HC_HCT595.pdf they put a page in front of all their shit now about nexperia 
2017-02-25T10:31:29 < ohsix> just literal instructions about what to change, because they didn't want to do it
2017-02-25T10:41:53 < ohsix> free beer thing in oregon tomorrow
2017-02-25T10:41:55 < ohsix> olol
2017-02-25T10:42:12 < ohsix> craft beer gentrification
2017-02-25T10:43:53 < ohsix> heh watching the cheapest of cheap chinese laser cutters ... dont' need one, but they work ok and it would be fun
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2017-02-25T10:52:08 < zyp> ohsix, work ok for what?
2017-02-25T10:53:16 < ohsix> fucking around, but this video was about cutting stencils in transparency sheets
2017-02-25T10:53:41 < zyp> I want something that can cut acrylic
2017-02-25T10:53:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya a shit register would be fine. but arduino+fpga would be more SEO and it's a nice excuse to make an fpga-controlled set of 24 (yes 24) half-bridges. (to control six steppers)
2017-02-25T10:54:15 < ohsix> not this,  but loll https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEJE-1000mW-router-cnc-laser-cutter-DIY-Print-laser-engraver-High-Speed-USB-laser-cnc-Engraving/32773588388.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.18.EwhlcO&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10000073_10065_10068_10000074_10000132_10000033_10000030_119_10000167_10000026_10000175_10000126_10000129_10000023_10000123_432_10000069_10000068_10060_10062_10056_10055_10000062_10054_10000063_301_10059_10000120_10099_10000020_1
2017-02-25T10:54:19 < ohsix> oh fuck that url
2017-02-25T10:54:21 < upgrdman> and i can reuse 24 half-bridges for tons of other shit projects later on too
2017-02-25T10:54:34 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEJE-1000mW-router-cnc-laser-cutter-DIY-Print-laser-engraver-High-Speed-USB-laser-cnc-Engraving/32773588388.html sry, reasonable url
2017-02-25T10:54:40 < ohsix> it uses a sled from an optical drive hhehe
2017-02-25T10:54:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: ya i think i asked and you answered before already
2017-02-25T10:55:03 < zyp> ohsix, yeah, I've seen that shit
2017-02-25T10:55:08 < zyp> 1W is not very impressive
2017-02-25T10:55:20 < ohsix> if you wanna be mr jokeman you can insert a clip of you saying 'or, you could use a shift register' near the end
2017-02-25T10:55:43 < ohsix> zyp: yea not those, the 10/30w ones are like 400bux
2017-02-25T10:57:00 < ohsix> a decent laser cutter is one of those things you can use to make a lot more laser cutters and shit heh
2017-02-25T10:57:33 < ohsix> i know a laser guy that has a proper oldschool set of engravers and cutters but he's a bit of a dud and has shot down most of the useful things i've said he could do
2017-02-25T10:57:35 < dongs> upgrdman: even better would be STM32 emulating arduino.exe controlling that FPGA
2017-02-25T10:57:46 < upgrdman> true dat
2017-02-25T10:57:47 < dongs> avr_emulator.keil
2017-02-25T10:57:48 < ohsix> (he keeps lamenting he needs to market his laser services more, but he doesn't do anything, huhu)
2017-02-25T10:58:16 < ohsix> there's a lulzbut taz 5 at the lab and it's reasonably easy to make other toolheads
2017-02-25T10:58:20 < zyp> ohsix, I might throw $400 at one if it can do what I need it to
2017-02-25T10:58:26 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/SameHeavenlyCrustacean lmaooooooooooo
2017-02-25T10:58:36 < dongs> nice DJI hovering
2017-02-25T10:59:28 < ohsix> zyp: i saw a cool thing fusion 360 can do, it can generate and plate like, plywood/lasercut patterns to build $random 3d shapes you can model
2017-02-25T10:59:32 < ohsix> with a bunch of parametric shit
2017-02-25T10:59:45 < zyp> don't need that
2017-02-25T11:00:00 < dongs> amp!six: source of things nobody actually needs
2017-02-25T11:00:11 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/mikelectricstuf/status/835055191560962048 like this
2017-02-25T11:00:33 < ohsix> me neither, but it is something to keep in mind
2017-02-25T11:01:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's a useful, and somewhat challenging thing to do, at least if you want to do it optimally
2017-02-25T11:02:05 < ohsix> you can always skin it with something interesting
2017-02-25T11:02:22 < zyp> ohsix, what I want is some shit that can customize acrylic front panels, i.e. cut holes, leave a transparent area for a display and engrave the rest so it gets a non see-through finish
2017-02-25T11:02:53 < ohsix> zyp: huh laserpal has a thing that does that, i can ask him for more details, i don't really remember power levels and optics and shit
2017-02-25T11:03:05 < ohsix> but the ones he's got use galvanometers for beam steering
2017-02-25T11:03:22 < ohsix> from what i gather, most of the shit is the particular material
2017-02-25T11:03:35 < Jak_o_Shadows> Could you perhaps sand it first? Then laser cut it?
2017-02-25T11:03:40 < ohsix> those signs and stuff you see on bathroom doors and shit are a specific type of layered material for laser cutting
2017-02-25T11:03:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> That way it's non-see through, except for the sanded bits
2017-02-25T11:04:42 < ohsix> zyp: no idea of typical laser powers or shit, but it sounds like you want something high enough to ablate the plastic instead of burn/melt it, at least to be able to do it all on one machine
2017-02-25T11:04:46 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, I'd prefer not having to do that by hand
2017-02-25T11:05:22 < zyp> ohsix, I'd expect 40W chinashit to be able to
2017-02-25T11:05:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, agreed.
2017-02-25T11:05:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> What about a REALLY fine grid of dots?
2017-02-25T11:06:02 < zyp> isn't that what laser engraving does? :p
2017-02-25T11:06:21 < ohsix> i haven't handled the dials myself, don't have a good feel fo rit
2017-02-25T11:06:33 < zyp> anyway, laser engraving of acrylic is a common thing, I don't assume it's a problem
2017-02-25T11:06:54 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlvlHMxde3A here's the video, he says he was using 18% power on 40w laser
2017-02-25T11:11:09 < ds2> .
2017-02-25T11:12:15 < dongs> about to dicknplace
2017-02-25T11:12:20 < zyp> ohsix, that looks fairly nice, what model is that?
2017-02-25T11:12:29 < dongs> the model he can't afford
2017-02-25T11:12:35 < dongs> what the fuck why
2017-02-25T11:12:42 < dongs> isnt that like $1200
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2017-02-25T11:13:24 < zyp> dongs, it's okay, as long as I can afford it
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2017-02-25T11:13:44 < dongs> oh cocks.
2017-02-25T11:16:30 < dongs> you dont need to go back on ifaggot.
2017-02-25T11:16:38 < dongs> you're already as far back as technology allows
2017-02-25T11:17:56 < dongs> same one when you asked last time
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2017-02-25T11:19:09 < ohsix> zyp: dunno, and don't know if he even says anywhere
2017-02-25T11:20:05 < Steffanx> Meanwhile in Apple hq. 
2017-02-25T11:20:36 < ohsix> ah here we go
2017-02-25T11:20:52 < ohsix> zyp: 'julong' 40w, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhhOHUe_b6o he has a longer video about it
2017-02-25T11:21:03 < Steffanx> Stop defending yourself r2com ;)
2017-02-25T11:21:27 < Steffanx> You know when you mention apple here you will get "shit"
2017-02-25T11:21:56 < ohsix> control panel says 'jl-k3020'
2017-02-25T11:22:19 < ohsix> hurr 3k
2017-02-25T11:22:43 < ohsix> or not
2017-02-25T11:22:44 < ohsix> http://julonglaser.en.alibaba.com/product/60279035340-800467105/Shandong_JL_K3020_laser_cutting_machine_for_hobby_craft.html
2017-02-25T11:22:49 < ohsix> fob 500-750
2017-02-25T11:22:56 < zyp> ohsix, ah, yeah, that looks like the shit I've looked at before
2017-02-25T11:22:59 < ohsix> i wonder how they get past the fda
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2017-02-25T11:23:28 < dongs> typical chinagirl 40W laser shit is around 350-400$.
2017-02-25T11:23:33 < dongs> but they all need work to make them actually work
2017-02-25T11:24:08 < zyp> what sort of work?
2017-02-25T11:24:10 < ohsix> one weird thing i learned talking to laserguy
2017-02-25T11:24:23 < ohsix> most/a lot of them are used with a virtual printer driver
2017-02-25T11:24:27 < dongs> like fixing pump/cooling stuff, attaching a proper vent duct so it doesnt kill you
2017-02-25T11:24:29 < ohsix> there's no gcode or anything
2017-02-25T11:24:37 < dongs> iirc it comes wiht some garbage internal pump that doesnt work very well
2017-02-25T11:24:42 < zyp> haha, ok
2017-02-25T11:24:43 < dongs> when my pal got one he replaced that first thing
2017-02-25T11:24:53 < ohsix> i wonder if that's the laser cutter that killed those people in berkeley
2017-02-25T11:25:05 < zyp> dongs, so, chinagirl can hook me up with one, is that what you're saying?
2017-02-25T11:25:12 < dongs> well, it has happened before yea
2017-02-25T11:25:16 < zyp> I mean, not now, but when I eventually can afford it
2017-02-25T11:25:19 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-25T11:25:27 < zyp> cool, I'll keep it in mind
2017-02-25T11:25:39 < dongs> since they're all basically asme shit anyway, they're all clones of same crap design
2017-02-25T11:25:51 < zyp> that's what I figure
2017-02-25T11:27:36 < ohsix> i wonder just how shit the 1w ones are
2017-02-25T11:28:23 < ohsix> have no intuitive idea of these wattage numbershits
2017-02-25T11:28:58 < ohsix> we're putting in ventilation in the lab for the tiny smd oven we've got, could probably get them to get a laser hehhe
2017-02-25T11:29:30 < Fleck> good morning!
2017-02-25T11:29:53 < Fleck> cRt
2017-02-25T11:31:19 < Fleck> where japs gonna film their show :D
2017-02-25T11:31:57 < Steffanx> Where is stvn
2017-02-25T11:32:25 < ohsix> https://richardgrisafi.com/2014/10/10/setup-and-maintenance-of-a-40w-laser-cutter-from-ebay/ some internal pictures of a similar one
2017-02-25T11:32:40 < Fleck> cRt https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ventasbalss.lv%2Fzinas%2Fkultura%2F32257-piedzivojumu-parka-filmes-japanas-televizijas-sovu&edit-text=
2017-02-25T11:33:01 < ohsix> one of the companies i did some consulting with makes plasma cutters
2017-02-25T11:33:36 < ohsix> not going to do enough work for them for a free one though :D even though they're really low cost, like 25k or something
2017-02-25T11:34:46 < Steffanx> Get an opamp
2017-02-25T11:34:49 < ohsix> you'll need an xmos in it
2017-02-25T11:35:08 < Steffanx> Class-d?
2017-02-25T11:35:24 < Steffanx> Sure.
2017-02-25T11:36:07 < Steffanx> Tubes.
2017-02-25T11:36:45 < ohsix> a class d tube amplifier would be cheeky
2017-02-25T11:37:36 < Steffanx> Ever came across hypex class-d amplifiers? They seem to do oem too. Our local dutch audio company.
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2017-02-25T11:39:06 < Steffanx> They seems to be well known for their digital stuff.
2017-02-25T11:41:23 < Fleck> Class TD? :D
2017-02-25T11:41:25 < ohsix> who's munt
2017-02-25T11:42:18 < Fleck> not only
2017-02-25T11:42:22 < Steffanx> Ah, so next time you have to remember its dutch crt.
2017-02-25T11:42:33 < Fleck> yep :pp
2017-02-25T11:42:58 < Fleck> next sounded nice tho
2017-02-25T11:43:43 < Fleck> http://www.next-proaudio.com/products/MQ10000
2017-02-25T11:44:02 < ohsix> http://www.audioxpress.com/assets/upload/images/SupremeSoundSS-Opamp-V5-S2.jpg heh searching for something and seeing crazy
2017-02-25T11:45:14 < Steffanx> Such audiophile.
2017-02-25T11:46:08 < Steffanx> They meant THC.
2017-02-25T11:46:50 < Steffanx> Yw
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2017-02-25T12:38:44 < ohsix> found new audio dipshittery, http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/REFERENCES/AH%20DAC/AHDAC.html
2017-02-25T12:38:46 < ohsix> parallel dacs
2017-02-25T12:39:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> well, GOLD traces
2017-02-25T12:39:29 < ohsix> this thing has 8 dual channel dacs
2017-02-25T12:39:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> nevermind that silver has lower resistance
2017-02-25T12:40:15 < ohsix> lul we were talking about the manhattan project and calutrons and the silver thing @ the party
2017-02-25T12:40:53 < ohsix> i'm trying to find a dirt cheap shitty dac i can buy a bunch of. cheap enough to hand out
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2017-02-25T12:41:51 < stvn> I've got one black friend and I think he's half chinese
2017-02-25T12:46:33 < Steffanx> Thank you for thsi information.
2017-02-25T12:47:26 < stvn> you're welcome stm32 steffan
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2017-02-25T12:49:28 < Steffanx> Why hard disk prices change to little over time. Almost the same price as 1.5 years ago.
2017-02-25T12:50:12 < dongs> who teh fuck buys hard disks
2017-02-25T12:51:06 < Steffanx> You store all your media and stuff on SSDs?
2017-02-25T12:51:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> HDD prices are in a VERY slow fall now.
2017-02-25T12:52:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> You can get 3TB for $150 though, which still blows my mind
2017-02-25T12:53:25 < Steffanx> its even worse than i thought. https://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/?ProduktID=315368&deliveryCountry=NL
2017-02-25T12:53:31 < stvn> hmmmm
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2017-02-25T13:10:41 < stvn> oh peter
2017-02-25T13:12:04 -!- PeterM [~bgdwiepp@1.144.96.112] has joined ##stm32
2017-02-25T13:12:14 < stvn> oh peter
2017-02-25T13:13:24 < Steffanx> Is PeterM using a mobile data service or something that his connection is so bad?
2017-02-25T13:13:28 < Steffanx> And his op changes all the time.
2017-02-25T13:13:33 < dongs> no, he's in australia
2017-02-25T13:13:37 < stvn> lol
2017-02-25T13:13:37 < dongs> thats all you need to know
2017-02-25T13:13:44 < Steffanx> *IP
2017-02-25T13:13:55 < Steffanx> Stvn is in aussieland as well. He's good,
2017-02-25T13:14:12 < dongs> i finalyl fucking found the part i was looking for
2017-02-25T13:14:17 < dongs> half-cleaned my office for like 3 hours
2017-02-25T13:14:26 < dongs> rage
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2017-02-25T13:17:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> But you have a half cleaned office!
2017-02-25T13:17:57 < stvn> yeah that'd rock
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2017-02-25T13:23:58 < zhivko> I am looking for logs on http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/ - but cannot find yesterday log - is this logging working at all
2017-02-25T13:24:11 < dongs> it ignores some people
2017-02-25T13:24:18 < zhivko> dongs: looking is you answered me :)
2017-02-25T13:24:32 < dongs> the answer was, your code is garbage
2017-02-25T13:24:36 < dongs> that was all
2017-02-25T13:24:40 < zhivko> dongs: you said you would do something different for button press interrupt
2017-02-25T13:24:54 < stvn> zhivko, find out how many times the word autism is in that log
2017-02-25T13:25:05 < zhivko> in what sens?
2017-02-25T13:25:45 < zhivko> last log file is: 2017-02.log
2017-02-25T13:26:20 < stvn> ok forget it
2017-02-25T13:26:22 < stvn> i got a game.
2017-02-25T13:26:31 < stvn> try and post a more autistic link than this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyveF0uadPI
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2017-02-25T13:27:14 < zhivko> ricta: yes my cnc runs beaglebone and machinekit lcnc
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2017-02-25T13:29:30 < zhivko> oh dongs: I see you are very unfriendly with newcomers...
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2017-02-25T13:32:53 < Steffanx> Nah, it seemed  you were very ignorant/not listening zhivko.
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2017-02-25T13:34:10 < stvn> Steffanx change the channel
2017-02-25T13:34:21 < Steffanx> uh what stvn?
2017-02-25T13:34:35 < stvn> never mind
2017-02-25T13:34:46 < Peter_M> What is the most efficient way of putting a square peg in a round hole? hydraulic press?
2017-02-25T13:36:01 < Steffanx> A large enough hole would do.
2017-02-25T13:36:07 < Steffanx> And we have some space left.
2017-02-25T13:36:22 < Peter_M> smart Steffanx
2017-02-25T13:36:55 < stvn> the dutchman
2017-02-25T13:37:41 < stvn> they worship gary the goat
2017-02-25T13:41:03 < Steffanx>  only one thing i worship.
2017-02-25T13:41:07 < Steffanx> one moment, let me imgur it
2017-02-25T13:43:58 < Steffanx> imgur failed on me
2017-02-25T13:45:32 < Steffanx> stvn: http://imgur.com/a/PVV4w 
2017-02-25T13:45:58 < stvn> hahaha
2017-02-25T13:49:01 < dongs> wat
2017-02-25T13:49:01 < stvn> delivery for tec2
2017-02-25T13:49:09 < dongs> wtf is it?
2017-02-25T13:49:10 < dongs> waffles?
2017-02-25T13:49:57 < Steffanx> yes
2017-02-25T13:50:06 < dongs> why so many
2017-02-25T13:50:09 < dongs> is that a years supply
2017-02-25T13:50:16 < Steffanx> No. Not even close. 
2017-02-25T13:50:26 < Steffanx> Was supposed to send them to Tectu/englishman
2017-02-25T13:50:51 < dongs> srs?
2017-02-25T13:51:18 < dongs> pro
2017-02-25T13:51:27 < dongs> and dicknpalce finished
2017-02-25T13:51:42 < dongs> 3 fucking minutes of actually dicking, and like 5 hours of setting up and searching for parts
2017-02-25T13:51:45 < dongs> fuck
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2017-02-25T13:56:27 < Steffanx> Why are you talking to yourself?
2017-02-25T13:59:21 < Steffanx> The A-word uh?
2017-02-25T14:00:11 < BrainDamage> crt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s83pBITm0Bo
2017-02-25T14:01:13 < Steffanx> But crt is never alone.
2017-02-25T14:01:45 < BrainDamage> hello
2017-02-25T14:02:24 < Steffanx> It's me.
2017-02-25T14:02:39 < Steffanx> Oh, we're no longer talking in song lyrics are we?
2017-02-25T14:07:00 < Steffanx> wut. is it real?
2017-02-25T14:07:20 < Steffanx> even tells you to microwave them. so pro.
2017-02-25T14:07:47 < BrainDamage> I tought you were supposed to warm them on coffee steam?
2017-02-25T14:08:24 < Steffanx> that makes them warm and wet-ish.
2017-02-25T14:08:51 < BrainDamage> [insert sexual innuendo]
2017-02-25T14:10:08 < jpa-> zhivko: what beaglebone shield are you using for your cnc?
2017-02-25T14:10:37 < dongs> do the dutch have a thing about windmills
2017-02-25T14:10:56 < Steffanx> We did in the past, now there are only few left
2017-02-25T14:19:08 < Steffanx> https://listenonrepeat.com/?v=kK62tfoCmuQ
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2017-02-25T14:21:48 < dongs> have anyone thought of adding solar panels on top of windmill .. spinny things
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2017-02-25T14:22:12 < dongs> https://www.google.com/patents/US7045702 apparently so
2017-02-25T14:29:44 < Steffanx> bedtijd?
2017-02-25T14:29:51 < Steffanx> *bedtime
2017-02-25T14:32:19 < zhivko> jpa-: cramps
2017-02-25T14:32:48 < dongs> crt, do you do nangs
2017-02-25T14:36:06 < dongs> looks like my l-band adc stuff works
2017-02-25T14:36:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0riVLhQ.jpg at least i can poke all the chips, gonna write a driver to make use orf it
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2017-02-25T14:48:28 < dongs> yeah i got a drawer full of sharpies
2017-02-25T14:48:33 < dongs> that shit gets me hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
2017-02-25T14:52:57 < Steffanx> Explains a lot.
2017-02-25T14:56:54 < dongs> ^_^
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2017-02-25T15:00:46 < jadew> if you search for why is windows so much faster than linux, you get results for why is linux much faster than windows...
2017-02-25T15:01:11 < jadew> windows starts in 30 seconds or so and is usable right away
2017-02-25T15:01:40 < jadew> linux starts in minutes and if you start a program it may take > 10 seconds to start it (ex: chrome)
2017-02-25T15:05:28 < dongs> lol, lunix
2017-02-25T15:05:41 < dongs> why is any of that a surprise??
2017-02-25T15:06:43 < jadew> it's surprising that linux supporters are pushing lies unsupported by reality
2017-02-25T15:07:07 < dongs> lunix users also claim power management, suspend, hotplug, etc all "work"
2017-02-25T15:07:29 < dongs> in like edge cases on some nerds thinkpad once a year, maybe
2017-02-25T15:07:41 < dongs> but that isn't considered "work" by most normal people
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2017-02-25T15:08:32 < jadew> I have notes on how to make stuff work
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2017-02-25T15:09:02 < jadew> sometimes they're irrelevant for the next update
2017-02-25T15:09:56 < jadew> just recently, when my ISP switched to IPv6, the package management system stopped working
2017-02-25T15:10:28 < PeterM> lunix works, the same way mexicans work
2017-02-25T15:10:36 < jadew> I had to look up how to force it to use IPv4, which turned out to be one entry in /etc/something/whatever.d/99bullshit
2017-02-25T15:10:51 < jadew> very user friendly
2017-02-25T15:10:54 < dongs> but wait
2017-02-25T15:10:56 < dongs> IPV6 is the future
2017-02-25T15:11:00 < dongs> why would you want to force ipv4
2017-02-25T15:11:08 < dongs> ^ this is lunix dweeb thinking
2017-02-25T15:11:19 < jadew> yeah, I should patch it myself
2017-02-25T15:11:23 < dongs> yes
2017-02-25T15:11:33 < dongs> hand-crafted code right in the middle of lunix toreballs stream of feces
2017-02-25T15:11:51 < dongs> IPV6 setup on windows: check one fucking checkbox
2017-02-25T15:11:57 < dongs> in the same place its been since win2000
2017-02-25T15:12:11 < dongs> so 17 years later you can still apply same knowledge of how to disable it, to windows 10
2017-02-25T15:12:44 < dongs> lunix changed the shit that manages /etc/initd like 10 times since then
2017-02-25T15:13:35 < jadew> I remember when they changed the hardware detection thingie
2017-02-25T15:13:41 < jadew> udev or however it's called
2017-02-25T15:13:41 < PeterM> bro, before 2k, NT3 was still same place
2017-02-25T15:13:56 < jadew> the order of the HDDs was random
2017-02-25T15:14:08 < jadew> and fstab was still using /dev/sdx
2017-02-25T15:14:12 < jadew> (intest of the ID)
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2017-02-25T15:14:34 < jadew> so if you had more than one HDD, it would boot up only sometimes
2017-02-25T15:15:32 < jadew> not to mention that network cards were getting all screwed up
2017-02-25T15:15:58 < jadew> I remember reading about it on a redhat forum, people running servers were getting the cards in random order, so their configuration stopped working
2017-02-25T15:16:14 < jadew> and at the time they didn't have a fix for it
2017-02-25T15:16:16 < PeterM> you're implying this shit doesnt still happen
2017-02-25T15:18:16 < jadew> the problem with /etc/ is that it doesn't have a standard format
2017-02-25T15:18:57 < jadew> if it had that, there'd be more GUI utilities to handle it
2017-02-25T15:19:52 < jadew> as it is, programs are free to change the way in which they do stuff from version to version and no third party will want to deal with that shit
2017-02-25T15:23:33 < PeterM> the problem with a folder of settings called "misc shit" is that it's a fodler of misc shit, and whats even worse is they did a New Folder (1) on the misc shit thats why theres a /etc/etc
2017-02-25T15:27:25 < englishman> 10x10cm 2L down to $5 in china
2017-02-25T15:27:28 < englishman> craziness
2017-02-25T15:27:40 < jadew> no way
2017-02-25T15:27:42 < jadew> where?
2017-02-25T15:28:23 < englishman> allpcb.com seems to be finding quotes from other chinapcb places, this is from HQPCB (really HQ because it's in the name)
2017-02-25T15:28:38 < Guest76979> holy shit
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2017-02-25T15:28:48 < jadew> bookmarked
2017-02-25T15:29:43 < englishman> framed stencils for $12
2017-02-25T15:30:10 < PeterM> englishman imprettyshrue thats HQ as in HQB
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2017-02-25T15:31:20 < Steffanx> Hates are gonna hate ^ and v
2017-02-25T15:31:24 < dongs> there's a DINGYE electronics
2017-02-25T15:31:29 < englishman> whats HQB
2017-02-25T15:31:57 < PeterM>  Huaqiangbei
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2017-02-25T15:32:25 < englishman> like what akihabara could have been
2017-02-25T15:32:52 < dongs> lol akikebara.
2017-02-25T15:33:00 < dongs> englishman: i guess RIP hackvana
2017-02-25T15:33:03 < dongs> with that service
2017-02-25T15:33:06 < englishman> nah
2017-02-25T15:33:09 < dongs> no need for SWJ'ing and instant quote
2017-02-25T15:33:16 < englishman> people are still convinced he's using high quality pcb mfgrs
2017-02-25T15:33:21 < dongs> ...
2017-02-25T15:33:31 < dongs> except all the shit i got from there was mostly crap
2017-02-25T15:33:33 < Laurenceb> wow White Helmets are at the oscars
2017-02-25T15:33:35 < Laurenceb> just.. wow
2017-02-25T15:33:38 < englishman> wheen he literally submits to allpcb.com
2017-02-25T15:33:40 < Laurenceb> what a ride
2017-02-25T15:33:40 < dongs> i.e. no different from chink shit i get from chinagirl
2017-02-25T15:33:42 < englishman> and takes the cheapest
2017-02-25T15:33:43 < dongs> englishman: haha.
2017-02-25T15:33:52 < psprint_> I need to power 5V/3A led matrix and STM32F7. Found chinese led strip with 12V/4A power supply, price is like power supply itself only on the internet, so would want to go for it. But what to do to power led strip on 5V and STM?
2017-02-25T15:34:11 < Laurenceb> psprint_: I hope you are not using F7 to power led matrix?!
2017-02-25T15:34:29 < dongs> he is of course
2017-02-25T15:34:37 < psprint_> Laurenceb: yh no, it has separate power pins and data pins
2017-02-25T15:34:56 < Laurenceb> this sounds arduinotard tier
2017-02-25T15:35:22 < Laurenceb> ok I'm pretty mad now
2017-02-25T15:35:38 < Laurenceb> mad enough to burn down a fucking cinema
2017-02-25T15:35:42 < psprint_> ok it may be, sorry, broad questions suck, I'm after 5 year electronics school but not high school
2017-02-25T15:35:49 < Laurenceb> White Helmets are ISIS scum
2017-02-25T15:35:59 < Steffanx> Good luck. What local news website do we have to look at?
2017-02-25T15:35:59 < Laurenceb> sorry I'm going off topic into rage mode
2017-02-25T15:36:04 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-02-25T15:36:15 < Laurenceb> but seriously, theres got to be a protest about this
2017-02-25T15:36:37  * Laurenceb pictures dressing up as ISIS and appearing outside the cinema to really get the cameras rolling
2017-02-25T15:38:45 < englishman> Laurenceb> White Helmets are ISIS scum
2017-02-25T15:38:47 < englishman> citation needed
2017-02-25T15:39:05 < Steffanx> 8ch said so. or dramawiki.
2017-02-25T15:40:34 < Laurenceb> nah there are legit leaked documents
2017-02-25T15:40:46 < Laurenceb> they are used to channel weapons to rebel groups
2017-02-25T15:41:07 < Steffanx> rebels != isis
2017-02-25T15:41:20 < Laurenceb> pretty much are nowadays
2017-02-25T15:41:43 < Laurenceb> apart from YPG, they are cool
2017-02-25T15:41:58 < Steffanx> You should go help em
2017-02-25T15:42:22 < Laurenceb> not sure if troll
2017-02-25T15:42:32 < Laurenceb> but seriously, lots of people from UK are
2017-02-25T15:42:32 < Steffanx> no.
2017-02-25T15:42:39 < Steffanx> Visit your friends.
2017-02-25T15:42:44 < Laurenceb> theres also people fighting with Syrian gov too
2017-02-25T15:42:51 < Laurenceb> pretty cool
2017-02-25T15:43:11 < Steffanx> Learn how to rocket.
2017-02-25T15:44:39 < PeterM> oh man, i recon more rebels have accidentally killed themselves than they have killed or have been killed
2017-02-25T15:45:06 < Laurenceb> haha probably true
2017-02-25T15:45:07 < PeterM> like some of the dodgy AF improvised explosives etc
2017-02-25T15:45:11 < jadew> holly crap, 250 boards 10x10cm for $28
2017-02-25T15:45:17 < PeterM> or people standing too close behind rpgs etc
2017-02-25T15:45:29 < Laurenceb> jadew: at that price, who cares
2017-02-25T15:45:50 < Laurenceb> pcbs reach a price where the cost is pretty irrelevant compared to other shit
2017-02-25T15:46:06 < dongs> jadew jew eyes are glistering with expectation of his 8ghz dickstarter being a total success thanks to chinapcb
2017-02-25T15:46:15 < jadew> haha
2017-02-25T15:46:40 < jadew> I'm just considering the possibilities
2017-02-25T15:47:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0riVLhQ.jpg < this is what ~$100 chinapcb looks like
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2017-02-25T15:47:22 < dongs> still awful silk, ENIG but still not really 'smooth/level' surface, etc.
2017-02-25T15:47:30 < dongs> its usable, but its nothing I'd use in a final product
2017-02-25T15:47:41 < dongs> OK for throwaway protos
2017-02-25T15:47:44 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_Syria
2017-02-25T15:47:46 < dongs> I should try thier OSP next see if its better
2017-02-25T15:47:51 < dongs> Laurenceb: /part thanks
2017-02-25T15:48:08 < jadew> what do you use for finished products?
2017-02-25T15:48:26 < dongs> local place
2017-02-25T15:48:29 < dongs> not china
2017-02-25T15:48:29 < englishman> dongs: osp still tarnishes but it's more level than hasl
2017-02-25T15:48:38 < dongs> well, hasl is not even a discussion here
2017-02-25T15:48:41 < PeterM> dongs the ENIG is probably fine you need to choose a better substrate if yo uwant smooth/level surface 
2017-02-25T15:48:44 < englishman> it has this great matte look
2017-02-25T15:48:44 < dongs> this ENIG stuff kinda rolls off hte pads
2017-02-25T15:48:53 < jadew> well, the local place here sucks
2017-02-25T15:49:00 < dongs> PeterM: i have no problme wiht ENIG from my usual place
2017-02-25T15:49:07 < dongs> englishman: i know what OSP looks ilke, I sometimes get it done locally
2017-02-25T15:49:11 < PeterM> yeah but they probably dont use $2 laminates
2017-02-25T15:49:12 < englishman> k
2017-02-25T15:49:12 < dongs> im curious what c hina OSP looks like
2017-02-25T15:49:13 < dongs> ;d
2017-02-25T15:49:20 < dongs> PeterM: possible
2017-02-25T15:49:23 < englishman> i got new paste to try
2017-02-25T15:49:34 < dongs> englishman: btw, who makes stencils?
2017-02-25T15:49:43 < dongs> you know THAT could be the problem too.
2017-02-25T15:49:44 < englishman> what do you mean
2017-02-25T15:49:45 < englishman> o
2017-02-25T15:49:54 < dongs> depending on teh process, and how the walls and shit look like
2017-02-25T15:49:55 < englishman> i got the pros aandrew recommended
2017-02-25T15:49:59 < dongs> mm oaky
2017-02-25T15:50:03 < dongs> so they're probably pro
2017-02-25T15:50:08 < englishman> seemed so
2017-02-25T15:50:22 < PeterM> godfuckign damnit are there any palces that do multilayer mcpcb
2017-02-25T15:50:33 < englishman> wut
2017-02-25T15:50:35 < PeterM> or atleast fuckign double sided
2017-02-25T15:50:39 < englishman> ???
2017-02-25T15:50:42 < PeterM> MPCPCB
2017-02-25T15:50:46 < PeterM> *MCPCB
2017-02-25T15:51:00 < dongs> englishman: its led/heatsink stuff
2017-02-25T15:51:02 < PeterM> metalcore pcb/aluminium/copepr substrate
2017-02-25T15:51:05 < englishman> you mean aluminium?
2017-02-25T15:51:11 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-25T15:51:18 < englishman> i dont think you can
2017-02-25T15:51:18 < PeterM> yeah but the led shit is shit
2017-02-25T15:51:21 < PeterM> yo ucan
2017-02-25T15:51:34 < PeterM> i know you can, ive seen it in products
2017-02-25T15:51:58 < PeterM> and also i want higher than 1oz copper too
2017-02-25T15:52:11 < PeterM> all china and .kr places offer 1oz only in mcpcb
2017-02-25T15:52:42 < englishman> china has yet to copy this tech, then
2017-02-25T15:52:45 < PeterM> i mean, if you're looking for mcpcb for powerstage you probably want some decent curent handleing but noooo
2017-02-25T15:52:56 < sync_> you'll probably will pay an arm and a leg
2017-02-25T15:52:58 < sync_> well
2017-02-25T15:53:00 < jadew> PeterM, get more layers and add a ton of vias :D
2017-02-25T15:53:04 < sync_> your traces are cooled better :P
2017-02-25T15:53:08 < englishman> just get 20oz copper like that guy on reddit
2017-02-25T15:53:13 < PeterM> sync_ you still make the heat
2017-02-25T15:53:16 < jadew> what guy?
2017-02-25T15:53:43 < englishman> https://www.reddit.com/r/electronics/comments/5i9wxd/i_just_received_my_20_ounce_pcb_soldering_is/
2017-02-25T15:53:51 < jadew> thanks
2017-02-25T15:53:59 < jadew> neat
2017-02-25T15:55:18 < dongs> holy shit
2017-02-25T15:55:57 < Laurenceb> http://i1.wp.com/21stcenturywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Netflix-final-1.jpg?resize=610%2C903
2017-02-25T15:56:01 < Laurenceb> status: printing
2017-02-25T15:56:06 < PeterM> englishman i have done some stuff where i milled peices of copper sheet, mounted them to a peice of alu, soldered everything to it, then removed the alu from behind it so it was a solid copper pcb
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2017-02-25T15:56:29 < PeterM> but only on super low density stuff
2017-02-25T15:56:36 < Laurenceb> englishman: wtf why
2017-02-25T15:56:43 < Laurenceb> they could just make the traces wider
2017-02-25T15:57:20 < jadew> Laurenceb, they did: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZjnBND2U/irccloudcapture-236812244.jpg
2017-02-25T15:57:22 < englishman> pretty interesting peter
2017-02-25T15:57:30 < jadew> they had to pass 150A
2017-02-25T15:58:07 < Laurenceb> thats not much
2017-02-25T15:58:14 < Laurenceb> seems overkill
2017-02-25T15:58:43 < PeterM> englishman the final assy had the copepr sheets mounted to an alu heatsink wiht a big silpad under it and then a regular fr-4 board mounted on top of it for all the drivers etc
2017-02-25T15:59:04 < PeterM> Laurenceb not really, 150A at 100% dutycycle is a lot of heat
2017-02-25T15:59:52 < PeterM> even through 1mOhm thats 23w
2017-02-25T16:00:14 < sync_> ya but you can cool 23W easily on an al core pcb, but yeah it is not ideal
2017-02-25T16:00:36 < Laurenceb> yeah I would prob have said Al core would be better
2017-02-25T16:00:40 < Laurenceb> http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/23/exclusive-the-real-syria-civil-defence-expose-natos-white-helmets-as-terrorist-linked-imposters/
2017-02-25T16:00:56 < sync_> you can always just route out copper pieces and solder them on
2017-02-25T16:03:01 < PeterM> yeah, alupcb is good for cooling, so running mad hueg smd fets on it is nice, but as soon as you have to add drivers etc you start thinking "well fuck single layer routing QFNs etc is fucked
2017-02-25T16:04:19 < aandrew> PeterM: haha
2017-02-25T16:04:33 < aandrew> SMT 0.050" headers to a normal multilayer PCB :-)
2017-02-25T16:05:37 < aandrew> what's the cost multiplier to go to aluminum PCB?
2017-02-25T16:07:46 < PeterM> aandrew you need liek 50 headers though, because if oyu try to escape  mroe than like 4 traces good fuckign luck getting them all to the same spot
2017-02-25T16:09:20 < PeterM> single layer, 1oz 6mil alupcb is dirt cheap but its a cunt to work with for the above mentioned
2017-02-25T16:09:42 < PeterM> you get real friendly with 0ohm resistors
2017-02-25T16:10:01 < PeterM> and even then its not good because some traces you dont wanna jump
2017-02-25T16:10:31 < PeterM> i mean, you dont wanna neck down your 100a traces to get your driver out etc
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2017-02-25T16:16:44 < aandrew> PeterM: right
2017-02-25T16:24:15 < LeelooMinai_> So, what's new today (except Trump planning to expand nuclear weapon programs:)
2017-02-25T16:24:32 < dongs> what the fuck how did this cunt get ignored
2017-02-25T16:24:36 < dongs> and the fucking :) at the end too
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2017-02-25T16:24:40 < dongs> LeelooMinai_, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2017-02-25T16:25:24 < dongs> also, nice on-topic chat for STM32
2017-02-25T16:25:34 < PeterM> man i wish it added a wildcard to the end of a persons name when you ignored them by  default
2017-02-25T16:25:39 < dongs> yes
2017-02-25T16:26:43 < LeelooMinai_> Steffanx: Ok, dongs keep provoking. That's #2 in 24 hours. Personnal attack. I don't want to retailate so please tell him do refrain from doing that:/
2017-02-25T16:28:12 < englishman> dong/peter, i wanna get a pcb made with side plating on exterior edges, any idea how to do this besides make a large plated slot and an external "carrier" before submitting to chinapcb
2017-02-25T16:28:22 < englishman> and add my own mousebites etc
2017-02-25T16:28:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/O6sTIqs.jpg you mean like this?
2017-02-25T16:28:59 < englishman> yeah except on more edges
2017-02-25T16:29:11 < dongs> that was very expensive
2017-02-25T16:29:17 < dongs> and yeah, its mostly just doing a line in assembly layer
2017-02-25T16:29:20 < dongs> and telling them: plate this
2017-02-25T16:29:32 < englishman> well thats not a straight slot
2017-02-25T16:29:34 < PeterM> can't you just use plated slots 
2017-02-25T16:29:46 < englishman> though i do wonder why it was so expensive
2017-02-25T16:30:16 < dongs> i forgot what the chats were, this is a few months old thing
2017-02-25T16:30:17 < PeterM> just plated slots for the outline, inbetween the slots, leave tiny web
2017-02-25T16:30:26 < englishman> maybe because they had to put it in the router before plating instead of just the drill machine
2017-02-25T16:30:36 < PeterM> then add real board outline outside the large plated slot
2017-02-25T16:30:58 < englishman> yeah PeterM so make a 'pcb carrier' that i submit
2017-02-25T16:31:03 < englishman> so to them it just looks like plated slots
2017-02-25T16:31:07 < PeterM> ya
2017-02-25T16:31:28 < Steffanx> You kinda asked for some reaction LeelooMinai_..
2017-02-25T16:31:33 < PeterM> i mean you need to create a carrier when panelized anyway
2017-02-25T16:31:43 < dongs> < Steffanx> You kinda asked for some reaction LeelooMinai_..
2017-02-25T16:31:47 < dongs> starting chats with some trump shit
2017-02-25T16:31:48 < dongs> in ##stm32
2017-02-25T16:31:56 < dongs> what the fuck kind of reaction did he expect?
2017-02-25T16:32:00 < LeelooMinai_> Steffanx: Please, be objective and note that there's a difference between personal attacks and being not on topic.
2017-02-25T16:32:00 < englishman> yeah and i dono if chinapcb are smart enough to know... not worth the risk
2017-02-25T16:32:04 < dongs> everyone to pull thier cocks out and start stroking?
2017-02-25T16:32:04 < englishman> + lost time
2017-02-25T16:32:40 < Steffanx> Also it's not a personal attack. dongs says that stuff to many people.
2017-02-25T16:32:52 < englishman> i see the stm32 chat allotment has ended, thanks to certain offtopic interlopers, i'll go do something else
2017-02-25T16:32:57 < PeterM> englishman not smart enough to know what?
2017-02-25T16:33:18 < englishman> well if i just send them a "one sided plated slot" they have to route external edges before plating
2017-02-25T16:33:28 < englishman> so the panel will be partially plated
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2017-02-25T16:33:48 < englishman> and they have to put mousebites/vgroove at specific locations where there's no plating
2017-02-25T16:33:54 < englishman> just easier to do own frame
2017-02-25T16:34:09 < PeterM> how do you think they do those usb connectors with the tiny plated sltos, or dc barrel jacks or spade connecotrs etc?
2017-02-25T16:34:23 < LeelooMinai_> Steffanx: Are you kidding me? He is spreading false information about people daily, and uses sexualy eplicit offensive words and you are trying to normalize it?
2017-02-25T16:34:28 < englishman> yeah, but those dont affect panelization at all, they are done same time as vias
2017-02-25T16:34:37 < aandrew> lol dongs
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2017-02-25T16:34:53 < PeterM> thats when your edges will be done too
2017-02-25T16:34:57 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Consultancy-for-determining-pump-for/ this guy lookin for pumpers
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2017-02-25T16:35:34 < dongs> job 4 Steffanx https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/would-like-hire-PCB-Layout-13209466/
2017-02-25T16:36:18 < Steffanx> min €50000 EUR serious business.
2017-02-25T16:36:34 < dongs> and they've listed pretty much every shitty PCB cad in existence
2017-02-25T16:36:35 < dongs> except eagle
2017-02-25T16:36:41 < dongs> .. thus disqalified
2017-02-25T16:37:14 < aandrew> 50k-eur for layout?
2017-02-25T16:37:15 < aandrew> sign me up
2017-02-25T16:37:22 < Steffanx> I already have a job, so don't feel the need.
2017-02-25T16:37:24 < aandrew> oh it's a salary
2017-02-25T16:38:30 < Steffanx> Also freelancer... in that region that are many people that can fulfill that job. Why use that website -_-
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2017-02-25T16:38:40 < dongs> they can hire jadew 
2017-02-25T16:39:04 < aandrew> oh that reminds me
2017-02-25T16:39:17 < aandrew> driving yestrday I saw a license plate JODEW
2017-02-25T16:39:24 < PeterM> LOL
2017-02-25T16:39:27 < aandrew> wonder if he's related
2017-02-25T16:39:30 < PeterM> OONDREW
2017-02-25T16:39:41 < aandrew> ondrew, lol
2017-02-25T16:39:58 < PeterM> dangs
2017-02-25T16:40:00 < dongs> AANDRE~1 more like
2017-02-25T16:40:08 < PeterM> eyyyyy
2017-02-25T16:40:39 < aandrew> oh man I haven't had to deal with FAT without long name support in ages
2017-02-25T16:41:27 < fenugrec> heh, 8.3 names.... I was using dos just last week
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2017-02-25T16:59:07 < dongs> zyp, do you recall that m/n talk from my adc
2017-02-25T16:59:56 < dongs> is in general (xtal/m)*n to get the pll clock?
2017-02-25T17:05:43 < dongs> rite, stuff seems to match. nvm
2017-02-25T17:06:11 < jadew> lol aandrew
2017-02-25T17:31:35 < emeryth> sup pros, is it bad to stack two levels of li-ion protection? the standard DW01 kind
2017-02-25T17:33:31 < dongs> waht does "two levels" mean
2017-02-25T17:33:54 < dongs> you can parallel the fets attached to it..
2017-02-25T17:35:49 < emeryth> I mean a protected pouch cell connected to a china converter/charger module that also has dw01 onboard
2017-02-25T17:36:01 < dongs> oh, shrug
2017-02-25T17:36:21 < dongs> why would a charger have that inside
2017-02-25T17:37:10 < PeterM> emeryth nah its fien
2017-02-25T17:37:16 < emeryth> because it expects an unprotected 18650 or whatever
2017-02-25T17:37:33 < PeterM> yo umay get some odd behaviour when you're fully discharged though
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2017-02-25T18:35:47 < Rob235> I need more hard drives :( I have 1-1.5 TB of video courses
2017-02-25T18:36:56 < Rob235> all different stuff, mostly coding and electronics related
2017-02-25T18:37:55 < Rob235> no probably wont, but they take a while so its gonna be a while before I can delete any kind of substantial amount 
2017-02-25T18:38:31 < Rob235> correct, just started watching them, only on my second course out of many
2017-02-25T18:38:56 < Rob235> its so much easier for me to watch a video course than read and fall asleep
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2017-02-25T18:40:28 < Rob235> yea I'm sure I could learn more quickly by reading at my own pace but like I said, I tend to just fall asleep when I read
2017-02-25T18:41:09 < Rob235> yea I just downloaded one course that is 10gb on manufacturing processes
2017-02-25T18:45:19 < Rob235> sounds like it 
2017-02-25T18:54:45 < scrts> quick question: USB CDC examples cap speed at UART speed or I will be able to use 12Mbps speeds?
2017-02-25T18:55:11 < scrts> plan to modify the UART to SPI and push data from PC terminal to SPI for flash programming
2017-02-25T19:00:04 < dongs> .. cdc doesnt care about speeds really
2017-02-25T19:01:17 < scrts> LeelooMinai-> well some terminals allow to select custom baud rate
2017-02-25T19:01:31 < scrts> dongs-> so in theory 12Mbps possible/
2017-02-25T19:01:46 < scrts> 1Mbps is sufficient for me actually
2017-02-25T19:04:13 < dongs> scrts: rate is only set for cdc, its up to you to completely ignore it
2017-02-25T19:04:18 < dongs> packets will come as fast as USB allows
2017-02-25T19:04:26 < scrts> cool
2017-02-25T19:04:49 < scrts> thnx guys
2017-02-25T19:04:57 < scrts> oops.. & lady :)
2017-02-25T19:07:28 < dongs> snort
2017-02-25T19:16:03 < Thorn> did they fix gdb under osx
2017-02-25T19:16:33 < Thorn> testing
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2017-02-25T19:33:56 < englishman> http://imgur.com/a/VuOv3
2017-02-25T19:35:14 < Steffanx> Your photos englishman?
2017-02-25T19:35:21 < englishman> ya
2017-02-25T19:37:05 < PeterM> is that one of those weather stations?
2017-02-25T19:37:12 < Steffanx> Now I understand why cats dont go outside in Canada :)
2017-02-25T19:37:22 < PeterM> like stick it outside and it measures windspeed, temp, humiditty etc?
2017-02-25T19:37:31 < englishman> yeah, was double checking why it was reading 0 wind
2017-02-25T19:37:54 < englishman> windspeed and direction, temp, humidity, yes
2017-02-25T19:38:41 < englishman> and pressure
2017-02-25T19:38:52 < englishman> and precip. but only liquid
2017-02-25T19:40:56 < Steffanx> Sky.
2017-02-25T19:41:09 < aadamson> englishman, the fix is put it up in the air to 13.5km and it won't have that problem :)
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2017-02-25T19:50:01 < sync_> it is chrome sputtered onto glass and then etched
2017-02-25T19:51:14 < sync_> always
2017-02-25T19:51:33 < sync_> there are ones with etched stainless discs
2017-02-25T19:51:40 < sync_> but they are relatively uncommon now
2017-02-25T19:56:03 < sync_> why?
2017-02-25T20:03:47 < sync_> yup
2017-02-25T20:03:50 < sync_> those are the two options
2017-02-25T20:04:10 < sync_> this thing is low resolution, that is why steel works
2017-02-25T20:04:12 < sync_> yes
2017-02-25T20:04:35 < sync_> it is very low
2017-02-25T20:04:59 < sync_> the servo I have infront of me has a 21 bit encoder
2017-02-25T20:05:50 < sync_> nah, not really, a heidenhain ROD with 2000 lines, so 8000 counts is around ~450€ or something new
2017-02-25T20:05:57 < sync_> idk, I got it from the scrapyard
2017-02-25T20:06:34 < sync_> I think something like 600€ for the thing, it is a schneider servo with integrated drive
2017-02-25T20:06:49 < sync_> well, it is heidenhain, so you are paying at least 4x as much as you should
2017-02-25T20:07:37 < Rickta59> so what are you going to slap that encoder on LeelooMinai ?
2017-02-25T20:09:05 < branjb> i'm an idiot
2017-02-25T20:10:03 < sync_> LeelooMinai: well, is it 400 counts or 400 lines?, looks like 400 lines, which gives you 1200 edges per rev
2017-02-25T20:10:07 < branjb> instead of having a smooth acceleration curve for steppers, i just set a timer to increase it by the acceleration every 1 second.  that was dumb
2017-02-25T20:10:22 < sync_> if you try to put it in a pmsm you are not going to have a lot of fun driving it
2017-02-25T20:11:01 < sync_> as the velocity signal will have discrete steps
2017-02-25T20:11:33 < sync_> and two comparators, probably
2017-02-25T20:12:18 < sync_> you put the two interrupters at 90° phase
2017-02-25T20:12:27 < sync_> so one is 0 and the other one is 1
2017-02-25T20:12:33 < sync_> and the edge is just inbetween
2017-02-25T20:12:58 < sync_> http://tmi.yokogawa.com/images/content/tm_ta320_29.gif
2017-02-25T20:13:36 < sync_> yes, and it gives you more resolution
2017-02-25T20:13:37 < Rickta59> hack a day did a write up about this last year http://hackaday.com/2016/01/08/video-gives-you-the-basics-of-diy-rotary-encoders/
2017-02-25T20:13:57 < branjb> what is that position sensor called that starts with an R that you put a small signal through it and measure the output to get position?
2017-02-25T20:13:58 < Rickta59> well not h-a-d but a user
2017-02-25T20:14:01 < branjb> it's like rev...something
2017-02-25T20:14:13 < sync_> LeelooMinai: it does that.
2017-02-25T20:14:17 < sync_> otherwise it would not work
2017-02-25T20:14:47 < Steffanx> rotary encoder  branjb?
2017-02-25T20:14:49 < Rickta59> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIUrnR8bLAI watch that LeelooMinai 
2017-02-25T20:14:52 < branjb> nah
2017-02-25T20:14:53 < sync_> also LeelooMinai, it is not like I'm predictable, you just seem to have no idea what is being used in the industry
2017-02-25T20:14:56 < branjb> it uses AC signals
2017-02-25T20:14:59 < Steffanx> It starts with an R :P
2017-02-25T20:15:00 < sync_> branjb: resolver
2017-02-25T20:15:03 < branjb> yes!
2017-02-25T20:15:04 < branjb> ty
2017-02-25T20:15:14 < sync_> resolvers are ok
2017-02-25T20:15:15 < branjb> oh
2017-02-25T20:15:22 < sync_> depending on the quality you can get 12-14 bit out of them
2017-02-25T20:15:26 < branjb> hmm
2017-02-25T20:17:29 < sync_> if you have 400 lines, it is 1600, yes
2017-02-25T20:17:35 < sync_> typed too quick
2017-02-25T20:18:53 < sync_> you can do FOC with steppers
2017-02-25T20:19:01 < sync_> or rather 2 phase motors :P
2017-02-25T20:19:23 < sync_> well, it is not really irrelevant
2017-02-25T20:19:37 < sync_> you want at least 10x more resolution on your feedback than you want to position to
2017-02-25T20:20:23 < PeterM> na na na na na na na na na an na na backlash
2017-02-25T20:20:37 < sync_> microstepping will not increase accuracy
2017-02-25T20:20:48 < sync_> as the poles are not magnetized equally
2017-02-25T20:21:06 < sync_> also the torque will deflect the rotor out of the commanded position
2017-02-25T20:21:17 < sync_> well, you close the loop with it
2017-02-25T20:21:36 < sync_> you have a servo
2017-02-25T20:22:16 < sync_> if you are microstepping 10x than you need, there is zero benefit
2017-02-25T20:22:34 < sync_> basically there is no benefit in microstepping at all, besides smoother running steppers
2017-02-25T20:23:03 < sync_> well, I don't put seppers on my machines, so the feedback is relevant
2017-02-25T20:23:06 < sync_> ~steppers
2017-02-25T20:23:38 < Rickta59> you should really watch that video LeelooMinai 
2017-02-25T20:24:43 < sync_> say with your 1600 ppr encoder and a 5mm lead screw you are getting 3.1µm of resolution
2017-02-25T20:24:50 < sync_> which is okay, but not great
2017-02-25T20:25:01 < Rickta59> it answers all the questions you are asking
2017-02-25T20:26:26 < PeterM> sync_, how are magnetic rotary position sensors stackign up these days?
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2017-02-25T20:33:59 < sync_> PeterM: if you calibrate them, they are ~okay
2017-02-25T20:34:30 < PeterM> equiv to what? 10bit? 12bit?
2017-02-25T20:34:38 < sync_> allegro claims 14bit
2017-02-25T20:34:42 < sync_> but idk
2017-02-25T20:34:54 < PeterM> 14bit is pretty damn good imo
2017-02-25T20:35:00 < sync_> I'd prefer some optical encoder
2017-02-25T20:35:07 < PeterM> yeah
2017-02-25T20:35:29 < sync_> or a capacitive one
2017-02-25T20:36:36 < sync_> those are very nice
2017-02-25T20:37:18 < sync_> http://sync-hv.de/projects/berger_lahr/4.jpg
2017-02-25T20:37:28 < sync_> http://sync-hv.de/projects/berger_lahr/3.jpg
2017-02-25T20:38:29 < sync_> that thing does 21bit
2017-02-25T20:38:39 < PeterM> nice nice, im curious what the off-axis error is like with the magnetic encoders
2017-02-25T20:39:51 < PeterM> also, wow, 21bit,thats pretty insane
2017-02-25T20:40:30 < sync_> rls also makes magnetic ones that work very well
2017-02-25T20:41:35 < sync_> I like how they use the inner structure to find the quadrant they are in and then the outer pattern to find the exact angle
2017-02-25T20:41:47 < sync_> the rear just has some logic + an opamp
2017-02-25T20:42:00 < sync_> one could probably 3d print the disc
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2017-02-25T20:52:14 < branjb> is there a convention what "velocity" means when writing firmware for stepper motors?  if you set velocity as 10,000 usteps/sec and acceleration as 1000 usteps/sec, would you expect the stepper to start out at 10,000 usteps/sec and increase by 1000 usteps/sec each second, or would you expect it to start off lower than the velocity and accelerate till it reaches it?
2017-02-25T20:55:21 < fenugrec> "convention", heh
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2017-02-25T21:04:12 < aandrew> for myself (not an expert in any sense of the word) I would expect velocity to be target velocity
2017-02-25T21:04:25 < aandrew> and acceleration as rate of change of velocity to get to the target
2017-02-25T21:04:49 < sync_> velocity is shaft speed in rad/s
2017-02-25T21:04:51 < sync_> ;)
2017-02-25T21:05:19 < aandrew> sync_: heh yes, that too
2017-02-25T21:06:02 < sync_> then your control applys a scale factor to get from rads to mm
2017-02-25T21:07:33 < sync_> that way every number in your control has a logical unit
2017-02-25T21:12:06 < branjb> ok, that's what i thought made sense too
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2017-02-25T21:26:52 < aandrew> what's 5.56 fun?
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2017-02-25T21:28:35 < fenugrec> smaller than 7.62mm , heh
2017-02-25T21:30:07 < aandrew> lol
2017-02-25T21:37:10 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: what're you encodering?
2017-02-25T21:37:13 < aandrew> is it for your CNC?
2017-02-25T21:37:41 < aandrew> people have had lots fo good luck with cheap chinese calipers for linear encoders
2017-02-25T21:37:58 < aandrew> hm, alrighty
2017-02-25T22:10:08 < englishman> 7.62 fun http://i.imgur.com/hJt55Mj.jpg
2017-02-25T22:10:35 < englishman> my fun is bigger
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2017-02-25T22:39:23 < Steffanx> time.is/australia
2017-02-25T22:39:35 < Steffanx> Church day crt.
2017-02-25T22:40:23 < Steffanx> meh
2017-02-25T22:41:21 < Steffanx> lol.
2017-02-25T22:43:30 < upgrdman> got my bipolar stepper driver working. it's only a matter of time until my centipede robot takes shape.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGyhYUXNlcI
2017-02-25T22:43:47 < upgrdman> time to start laying out a pcb with an fpga + fuck tons of mosfets
2017-02-25T22:46:06 < branjb> what is the modulation at the rising edge of those pulses?
2017-02-25T22:47:07 < upgrdman> just a square wave + parasitics
2017-02-25T22:47:12 < branjb> o
2017-02-25T22:47:24 < branjb> thought it was a feature
2017-02-25T22:48:11 < sync_> upgrdman: why use an fpga when you can use an stm32 :P
2017-02-25T22:48:32 < upgrdman> sync_, fpga is more SEO for youtube
2017-02-25T22:48:39 < branjb> lol
2017-02-25T22:48:42 < upgrdman> also, will need to control six steppers
2017-02-25T22:48:50 < upgrdman> 24 really, but in sets of four
2017-02-25T22:49:18 < sync_> you can do that with ease on an stm
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2017-02-25T22:49:29 < upgrdman> i know
2017-02-25T22:49:36 < upgrdman> and if this was just for me, i would
2017-02-25T22:49:49 < upgrdman> but it's for me AND for muh ad revenue bruh
2017-02-25T22:50:01 < sync_> pfft
2017-02-25T22:50:31 < englishman> what a whore
2017-02-25T22:50:46 < branjb> what kind of ad revenue does a centipde bot produce?
2017-02-25T22:50:47  * upgrdman nods
2017-02-25T22:51:06 < upgrdman> branjb, if anything like my older arduino videos, about $4 per month per video
2017-02-25T22:51:14 < branjb> wtf
2017-02-25T22:51:16 < upgrdman> and i plan to split it into like 6 or 10 videos
2017-02-25T22:51:20 < branjb> how many views/month is that?
2017-02-25T22:51:34 < upgrdman> prolly >1k per video
2017-02-25T22:51:41 < upgrdman> s/prolly/definitely
2017-02-25T22:52:14 < branjb> so if you have a youtube video go viral with 1M+ views that actually makes you money?
2017-02-25T22:52:36 < upgrdman> never had that happen, but ya that'd be money pouring in
2017-02-25T22:52:56 < branjb> so this retarded video made these guys a bunch? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXJZVZFRFJc
2017-02-25T22:53:12 < upgrdman> prolly
2017-02-25T22:53:18 < branjb> I had no idea youtube video views = $$$
2017-02-25T22:53:31 < upgrdman> but ad revenue is proportion to watch time. so views AND duration matter
2017-02-25T22:53:48 < upgrdman> branjb, the youtube stars make >$1 million PER MONTH
2017-02-25T22:53:53 < upgrdman> like poopdepie
2017-02-25T22:53:54 < upgrdman> etc
2017-02-25T22:53:58 < branjb> wtf
2017-02-25T22:54:31 < branjb> what a retarded world we live in
2017-02-25T22:54:34 < upgrdman> even dave jones did some shit video where he shows he makes like $60-80k per year from youtube
2017-02-25T22:54:41 < branjb> lol
2017-02-25T22:54:47 < upgrdman> well for the stars ya
2017-02-25T22:54:50 < upgrdman> but its not bad for edu
2017-02-25T22:54:53 < branjb> jesus
2017-02-25T22:55:00 < upgrdman> like my vids are cock holding noobs with arudinos and pis
2017-02-25T22:55:26 < upgrdman> im not making much yet but hoping it pans out long term
2017-02-25T22:55:34 < upgrdman> it prolly wont, but whatever.
2017-02-25T22:56:00 < branjb> is youtube view ad money a bubble that will pop or is that sustainable for years?
2017-02-25T22:56:17 < upgrdman> not sure its a bubble, but i expect it to slow down a lot
2017-02-25T22:56:22 < branjb> ah
2017-02-25T22:56:29 < upgrdman> but many have been making a living for the last 5+ years
2017-02-25T22:56:34 < upgrdman> like six figure income
2017-02-25T22:57:01 < upgrdman> eli the prostate guy is one of them
2017-02-25T22:57:49 < englishman> branjb: this guy is the 'most successful' youtuber, and from the few minutes of his videos ive watched, he appears to talk about games and make baby noises https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PewDiePie
2017-02-25T22:58:00 < branjb> yeah I know of pewdiepie
2017-02-25T22:58:10 < branjb> didn't realize he made >$1M/mo
2017-02-25T22:58:28 < upgrdman> someone said ~20M last year
2017-02-25T22:58:35 < englishman> estimated $12-15m / year last 3-4 years
2017-02-25T22:59:22 < Steffanx> He said things about jews.. one is not allowed to
2017-02-25T22:59:31 < upgrdman> and yet he still makes more than leeloo will in a lifetime ;)
2017-02-25T22:59:38 < Steffanx> now the "mainstream" media is going nuts on him
2017-02-25T23:00:53 < Steffanx> One can say that about anything.
2017-02-25T23:02:06 < Steffanx> but it not being interesting to you doesnt make it idiotic and useless.
2017-02-25T23:03:13 < Steffanx> blabla. 
2017-02-25T23:03:24 < Steffanx> I give up.
2017-02-25T23:04:54 < Steffanx> You act the same as someone else in this channel sometimes. Little/short minded. Better dont start saying "aids" and mocking on LeelooMinai.
2017-02-25T23:06:09 < branjb> i'm still shocked that he makes millions/month
2017-02-25T23:06:25 < branjb> and has no real useful skills except he is "entertaining"
2017-02-25T23:07:02 < Steffanx> Maybe people make that amount of money with just entertainment.
2017-02-25T23:07:33 < branjb> it's not really a useful skill though
2017-02-25T23:07:59 < upgrdman> branjb, he brings viewer for the advertisers to advertise to. that is worth a lot of money
2017-02-25T23:08:18 < upgrdman> the whole point of making money on youtube is to brind an audience for the advertisers
2017-02-25T23:08:33 < upgrdman> that's also why some topics are more valuable than others
2017-02-25T23:08:41 < Steffanx> LeelooMinai, is jobless too iirc.
2017-02-25T23:08:44 < upgrdman> e.g. people who have no money are not worth ad'ing to
2017-02-25T23:09:10 < branjb> yeah but humans don't need entertainment to survive, seems pretty useless as far as the kind of skills i find useful
2017-02-25T23:09:49 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> Steffanx: Better be jobless than brainless imo:)
2017-02-25T23:09:56 < upgrdman> that explains leeloo so well
2017-02-25T23:10:00 < Steffanx> hah.
2017-02-25T23:10:25 < branjb> why is LeelooMinai jobless?
2017-02-25T23:10:27 < Steffanx> I do like some entertainment branjb.. ones brain shouldnt be active 24/7 imho
2017-02-25T23:10:48 < Steffanx> And im glad some other people can "give" me that entertainment.
2017-02-25T23:11:00 < upgrdman> branjb, a lack on connection to reality
2017-02-25T23:11:14 < upgrdman> going on and on about useless shit
2017-02-25T23:11:15 < branjb> i make my own entertainment
2017-02-25T23:11:20 < branjb> hiking/camping/staring at fire
2017-02-25T23:11:33 < upgrdman> she still lives in her mom's basement
2017-02-25T23:11:45 < upgrdman> and she in her 40's iirc
2017-02-25T23:12:08 < branjb> well i like dongs
2017-02-25T23:12:12 < branjb> so does that make me not a jew?
2017-02-25T23:13:04 < branjb> i can help you with that decision
2017-02-25T23:13:05 < upgrdman> branjb, see
2017-02-25T23:13:09 < branjb> i'm definitely an asshole
2017-02-25T23:16:28 < branjb> sudo aot-get install mingw
2017-02-25T23:17:07 < branjb> C:\Windows\System32\bash.exe ~
2017-02-25T23:18:11 < branjb> i'm just trying to be a smartass
2017-02-25T23:21:32 < zyp> protip, don't connect 230V across the input and output terminals of a dimmer
2017-02-25T23:21:42 < zyp> I just blew up a zwave dimmer :/
2017-02-25T23:22:12 < zyp> http://www.everspring.com/AD146.aspx <- this sort of shit
2017-02-25T23:22:27 < zyp> «Suitable for 3-wire and 2-wire (no neutral) connections»
2017-02-25T23:23:01 < zyp> it weren't behaving right with the no neutral wiring, so I were going to hook up neutral and grabbed the wrong wire
2017-02-25T23:23:06 < zyp> well, yeah
2017-02-25T23:23:47 < zyp> I also blew the circuit breaker for my bedroom
2017-02-25T23:23:59 < zyp> which is fun, because no circuit breakers in my panel is off
2017-02-25T23:24:41 < branjb> ebay has keysight U1252B's NIB for $200
2017-02-25T23:24:48 < zyp> http://www.everspring.com/AN179.aspx <- I have one of these too
2017-02-25T23:25:32 < zyp> yeah, I can get that shit here too, but that's 443
2017-02-25T23:27:02 < Ecco> Why does the STM32 have an USART? (emphasis on the S)
2017-02-25T23:27:07 < Ecco> (and not a simple UART)
2017-02-25T23:27:29 < zyp> LeelooMinai, 868 isn't that much worse than 433, and zwave does mesh too
2017-02-25T23:27:56 < branjb> Ecco you can use the USARTS in async mode
2017-02-25T23:28:27 < Thorn> Ecco: they support some kind of sync modes, if you don't need those then USARTs and UARTS are equivalent afaik
2017-02-25T23:28:32 < zyp> but the most interesting part is that zwave does bidir, so it can track the actual state of all the devices too, 433 is fire and forget, controller doesn't know if a command got through
2017-02-25T23:29:21 < zyp> sure
2017-02-25T23:29:49 < zyp> but I'll rather pay more for something that does what I want it to, than less for something that doesn't do what I want .p
2017-02-25T23:30:52 < zyp> true
2017-02-25T23:30:57 < branjb> home automation market is a meme
2017-02-25T23:31:25 < zyp> either way, 433 is crap :p
2017-02-25T23:31:39 < Laurenceb> wut
2017-02-25T23:31:45 < zyp> and if you want in wall stuff, the 433 parts aren't much cheaper than zwave anyway
2017-02-25T23:32:10 < Laurenceb> whats 433?
2017-02-25T23:32:12 < zyp> mhz
2017-02-25T23:32:18 < zyp> cheap remote power switches
2017-02-25T23:32:38 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you said socket outlet
2017-02-25T23:33:09 < zyp> that's why I specified «in wall stuff»
2017-02-25T23:33:47 < Steffanx> And you can control it with your phone too, i guess zyp?
2017-02-25T23:34:15 < Steffanx> or dont you have this zwave "center" thing.
2017-02-25T23:34:58 < Steffanx> looked into making a zwave device once. To get a look at the SDK you had to buy a $1k development kit first.
2017-02-25T23:35:27 < zyp> Steffanx, no center, I just bought a usb stick
2017-02-25T23:35:37 < Steffanx> Ah, yes. Forgot about those
2017-02-25T23:35:51 < Steffanx> and the zwave radio modules/ICs werent too cheap either.
2017-02-25T23:38:08 < zyp> I'll put the usb stick into my server or something and write some management software myself
2017-02-25T23:38:26 < Steffanx> Oh what just about to ask what you were using, but .. nothing yet it is? :P
2017-02-25T23:39:03 < zyp> well, before I blew up the dimmer, I were testing with indigo
2017-02-25T23:39:05 < zyp> http://www.indigodomo.com/ <- this shit
2017-02-25T23:39:12 < Steffanx> Have Home Assistent running at an rpi, but im not entirely happy with it.
2017-02-25T23:39:37 < zyp> but that's just because I haven't hooked up any other computers than my laptop yet
2017-02-25T23:39:45 < Steffanx> Whoever thought YAML is a great tool to do the configuration... 
2017-02-25T23:39:49 < zyp> haha
2017-02-25T23:40:01 < Thorn> >You won't damage the MCU output by connecting it directly to a MOSFET gate.  <-- r they sure
2017-02-25T23:40:48 < zyp> heh, indigo is apparently $250
2017-02-25T23:40:49 < zyp> haha
2017-02-25T23:41:07 < zyp> not worth considering at all then
2017-02-25T23:41:35 < zyp> LeelooMinai, small is relative
2017-02-25T23:41:37 < Steffanx> but on the other hand, it was pretty easy to haxor support for some (kinda) unsupported WIFI bridge for my LED strips. All in python.
2017-02-25T23:41:44 < zyp> huge mosfets get quite a big capacitance
2017-02-25T23:42:06 < Thorn> http://www.learnabout-electronics.org/ac_theory/images/Fig-4-2-3.gif
2017-02-25T23:42:24 < zyp> though, before you damage the cpu, you'll probably damage the fet by driving it too slowly through the unsaturated range
2017-02-25T23:42:33 < zyp> which is where it would dissipate the most
2017-02-25T23:43:01 < zyp> so anyway
2017-02-25T23:43:02 < Thorn> iirc NXP GPIO limit current but not STM32
2017-02-25T23:43:32 < zyp> when I blew up my dimmer, I also tripped the circuit breaker for my bedroom circuit
2017-02-25T23:43:52 < zyp> and idk where that is, it's not in my electrical panel
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2017-02-25T23:44:08 < zyp> it seems like my bedroom is supplied by one of my neighbor apartments
2017-02-25T23:44:54 < zyp> which is pretty dumb as fuck (but hey, free electricity
2017-02-25T23:44:55 < zyp> )
2017-02-25T23:45:48 < zyp> the bad part is, that circuit breaker is still off
2017-02-25T23:46:20 < zyp> I don't want to go «hey, are you paying for the electricity for my bedroom? please turn it back on»
2017-02-25T23:46:41 < zyp> no
2017-02-25T23:46:49 < zyp> I actually checked before I started
2017-02-25T23:47:06 < zyp> I turned off all the breakers in my panel and my bedroom still had power
2017-02-25T23:47:22 < zyp> which is why I had to do the rewiring with live wires :p
2017-02-25T23:48:03 < zyp> so I'm certain that room gets power from a neighboring apartment, but I don't know which, there's four in the building
2017-02-25T23:48:33 < jadew> time to get lots of power strips with long wires
2017-02-25T23:48:47 < zyp> jadew, haha, yeah
2017-02-25T23:48:58 < zyp> my first thought were «nice, I should put a server rack in there»
2017-02-25T23:49:04 < jadew> hehe
2017-02-25T23:49:24 < zyp> but then I'm going to sleep in there too :p
2017-02-25T23:52:01 < sync_> zyp: just run a cable from the lamp socket
2017-02-25T23:52:06 < sync_> to mine buttcoins
2017-02-25T23:52:49 < Steffanx> How can that even happen zyp? Is it some renovated building or something?
2017-02-25T23:52:54 < Steffanx> Swapped around rooms?
2017-02-25T23:53:47 < jadew> maybe the previous guy was an electrician
2017-02-25T23:53:56 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ8h01XlvQF/  https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ8m9J2lmQQ/
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2017-02-26T00:19:03 < zyp> Steffanx, I'm not sure, the building is not more than five years old
2017-02-26T00:19:17 < zyp> but I think it's possible that the layout was changed after planning, yes
2017-02-26T00:20:36 < zyp> which is weird, because that would make it asymmetrical
2017-02-26T00:20:43 < zyp> as it is now, this building is symmetrical
2017-02-26T00:26:16 < Thorn> r u srs https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e365240e2061cb73d800a1b8670c09c9
2017-02-26T00:30:55 < Thorn> those bjts will never be on at the same time?
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2017-02-26T00:41:15 < kakimir> I near future you might not even know your are living in north korea
2017-02-26T00:41:29 < kakimir> alternative facts
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2017-02-26T00:42:47 < kakimir> what is going on there Thorn ?
2017-02-26T00:43:22 < Thorn> in north korea?
2017-02-26T00:44:34 < kakimir> allegorically
2017-02-26T00:47:55 < kakimir> oh
2017-02-26T00:47:59 < kakimir> I mean the picture
2017-02-26T00:54:26 < Thorn> stm32f091cb (CAN, no phy) costs the same as lpc11c24 (CAN with builtin PHY)
2017-02-26T00:55:30 < englishman> lpc
2017-02-26T01:00:40 < Thorn> (I've used the lpc before, 5 stars, would buy again, no idea about the 091)
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2017-02-26T01:06:29 < kakimir> we need #lpc32 Thorn 
2017-02-26T01:07:54 < Steffannn> Youll have to make a choice kakimir. ##stm32 or ##lpc32 z you cannot live on both sides at the same time
2017-02-26T01:08:15 < Thorn> ##dongs32
2017-02-26T01:08:28 < Thorn> there is no choice
2017-02-26T01:09:12 < Steffannn> 32 dongs is what we'll get when we die.
2017-02-26T01:09:29 < kakimir> I just need #pros32
2017-02-26T01:10:34 < kakimir> no doubt this actually is pros32 when I ask something there is always someone to know answer
2017-02-26T01:11:46 < kakimir> I wonder if there is seperate tesla drivetrains for sale
2017-02-26T01:19:45 < jadew> so... today I started writing code again
2017-02-26T01:20:05 < jadew> after a break of about a month
2017-02-26T01:20:51 < jadew> which is a relief, cuz I wasn't sure I can do it anymore
2017-02-26T01:21:07 < jadew> so... yey!
2017-02-26T01:22:32 < jadew> not 100% sure, but I think I had a break down because of stress and not getting enough rest
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2017-02-26T01:24:03 < jadew> I basically collapsed into two weeks of sleeping most of the time followed by a couple more weeks of not wanting to code
2017-02-26T01:24:15 < jadew> I just watched movies and played EVE online
2017-02-26T01:26:02 < kakimir> it might be called depression
2017-02-26T01:26:17 < jadew> could be
2017-02-26T01:26:31 < kakimir> or slack of time
2017-02-26T01:26:45 < kakimir> *slack off
2017-02-26T01:27:01 < jadew> slacking for a month? :)
2017-02-26T01:27:31 < jadew> nah, this stuff was deep
2017-02-26T01:28:04 < kakimir> I lost years I guess
2017-02-26T01:28:09 < jadew> the fact that my side project delayed me so much from the main one was stressing the hell out of me
2017-02-26T01:28:47 < jadew> I basically lost 3 months working on that side project that isn't ready yet because it requires a lot more work (more than I anticipated)
2017-02-26T01:28:48 < kakimir> wxactly what I'm stugling with
2017-02-26T01:29:22 < jadew> so I think I was also paralized by not knowing how to proceed next
2017-02-26T01:29:36 < jadew> turned out that not giving a fuck for a while was the right answer
2017-02-26T01:30:12 < jadew> so now I turned back to my main project and I'll work on the side one only when I'll get bored, but won't dedicate myself to it full time
2017-02-26T01:30:23 < englishman> i got a kitty that greatly accelerates this process
2017-02-26T01:30:36 < kakimir> when you push it enought priorities set themself
2017-02-26T01:31:23 < jadew> englishman, I should get one too
2017-02-26T01:31:39 < kakimir> not by your preference but out of necessity
2017-02-26T01:31:43 < englishman> get a good one tho
2017-02-26T01:31:45 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/Z7otZu4.jpg
2017-02-26T01:31:55 < englishman> you need a high quality kitten for the effect to work
2017-02-26T01:32:01 < jadew> that one looks like it's eating more than I am
2017-02-26T01:32:02 < kakimir> cats that do that thing
2017-02-26T01:32:10 < kakimir> are best
2017-02-26T01:32:24 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/4YV1VZd.jpg
2017-02-26T01:32:42 < kakimir> even better
2017-02-26T01:32:44 < jadew> how big is that cat?
2017-02-26T01:33:25 < englishman> this is a very small cat
2017-02-26T01:34:39 < englishman> poutine cat http://i.imgur.com/fs22CyI.jpg
2017-02-26T01:36:54 < jadew> she knows the fat cat has to eat first
2017-02-26T01:37:06 < kakimir> scary eyes
2017-02-26T01:38:15 < jadew> I like it, looks similar to the cat I had when I was a child
2017-02-26T01:39:15 < jadew> but mine didn't have fur like that, was just a normal cat
2017-02-26T01:39:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7QzxYAjgNc music times
2017-02-26T01:40:04 < kakimir> "Dysty Springfield"
2017-02-26T01:40:32 < jadew> I'm listening to the radio and using shazam to recognize songs that I like
2017-02-26T01:40:46 < kakimir> welcome to 2010
2017-02-26T01:40:54 < jadew> was shocked to find out one of them was a justin bieber song :)
2017-02-26T01:42:11 < kakimir> it happens to everyone
2017-02-26T01:42:42 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2K7vsmUa6I
2017-02-26T01:43:04 < jadew> might have heard it once or twice before
2017-02-26T01:43:17 < jadew> and I don't think I've heard any other JB songs
2017-02-26T01:43:23 < kakimir> I think I heard it all summer from radio in tractor cabin
2017-02-26T01:43:35 < kakimir> just fucking my ears
2017-02-26T01:43:38 < jadew> kakimir, heh
2017-02-26T01:44:01 < jadew> LeelooMinai, positive, I thought it would be nice to learn to play it on the guitar
2017-02-26T01:45:21 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/fCaRAGd.gifv
2017-02-26T01:45:43 < jadew> haha
2017-02-26T01:46:31 < jadew> I didn't know it was JB song and tbh, I don't really care, even if I don't like the guy, the song is not bad
2017-02-26T01:46:35 < jadew> it's not like he wrote it anyway
2017-02-26T01:47:22 < aandrew> jadew: I learned to play guitar around age 21
2017-02-26T01:47:34 < Thorn> normal people are usually inspired by Pink Floyd
2017-02-26T01:47:56 < jadew> aandrew, I've been trying to learn to play the guitar since I was 17 (and own at least one guitar since then)
2017-02-26T01:48:11 < jadew> the result is that I know like 6 chords
2017-02-26T01:48:18 < jadew> and I turned 32 yesterday
2017-02-26T01:48:34 < kakimir> you have really been trying
2017-02-26T01:48:55 < jadew> I have, I even took lessons for more than a year
2017-02-26T01:49:11 < jadew> I don't mind sucking at it tho
2017-02-26T01:49:32 < kakimir> sell your guitar
2017-02-26T01:49:39 < jadew> *guitars
2017-02-26T01:49:41 < jadew> I have 3
2017-02-26T01:49:46 < jadew> :P
2017-02-26T01:50:25 < jadew> I'll keep them, my son seems to like them
2017-02-26T01:51:31 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I've been through everything else and the radio can sometimes surprise you
2017-02-26T01:52:02 < aandrew> jadew: it took me about a week sleeping with an ice pack to get the blisters down nd the internal calluses to form
2017-02-26T01:52:17 < aandrew> and then just dicking around it probably took me a good year or so to get the muslce memory for most of the chords
2017-02-26T01:52:22 < jadew> aandrew, it means you really practiced
2017-02-26T01:52:42 < aandrew> but strictly rhythm, I can't play lead to save my life because I have not been able to visualize what sounds are where on the neck
2017-02-26T01:53:48 < jadew> aandrew, I'm stuck stuck on chords that use the index finger to press on all the strings
2017-02-26T01:53:55 < jadew> I mean, I can do them, but I can't switch fast enough
2017-02-26T01:54:18 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I didn't say he's great, it's just a good song for guitar
2017-02-26T01:54:38 < aandrew> jadew: I gave it an honest effort at 21 or so. I haven't picked up the gitter in like 2 years now, it's sad
2017-02-26T01:54:47 < aandrew> I can't do lessons
2017-02-26T01:55:02 < jadew> LeelooMinai, haha
2017-02-26T01:55:04 < aandrew> I get better by playing with someone. on my own is good for squeaking away without being embarrassed
2017-02-26T01:55:09 < upgrdman> crt needs one of these   http://www.dickbelt.com/
2017-02-26T01:55:37 < aandrew> I practised using a lot of classic rock and blues
2017-02-26T01:56:11 < aandrew> if you want to be made like a total guitar failure, check out Gabriella Quevedo. she does fingerpicking covers for TONS of genres including pop, but she does an amazing job
2017-02-26T01:56:33 < upgrdman> :(
2017-02-26T01:56:33 < kakimir> a new type of tie?
2017-02-26T01:56:34 < aandrew> there are a few fingerpicker youtube channels, I like hers best. I was lsitening to her playlists while programming overnight for a while
2017-02-26T01:57:36 < jadew> isn't that the chick who was doing this over tumbr or something with t a couple of years back?
2017-02-26T01:57:37 < aandrew> and I'm really digging Rodrigo y Gabriella (no relation to Gabriella Quevedo)
2017-02-26T01:57:45 < aandrew> possibly, I have never been on tumblr
2017-02-26T01:57:54 < aandrew> my favourite R&G video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV2ixprDrK8
2017-02-26T01:58:34 < aandrew> the Coors do a really nice acoustic version of Hendrix' Little Wing as well, but my all time favourite is still SRV's cover of it
2017-02-26T01:59:44 < aandrew> Coors? Corrs I think
2017-02-26T02:00:13 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: there are a few prodigies online. I saw some 9yo or something do Canon in D or something and I'm in disbelief
2017-02-26T02:00:38 < jadew> LeelooMinai, he doesn't seem that great
2017-02-26T02:00:58 < aandrew> Not sure how I became part of any mafia. Feel free to /ignore if I really do bother you by talking to you though
2017-02-26T02:01:27 < aandrew> I generally don't either
2017-02-26T02:01:47 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I've seen faster pickers
2017-02-26T02:01:50 < jadew> maybe even in real life
2017-02-26T02:03:10 < aandrew>  I generally find speed guitarists impressive but not musical
2017-02-26T02:03:49 < jadew> I don't doubt that
2017-02-26T02:04:02 < aandrew> I particuarly like how's greenscreened in some meadow/whatever
2017-02-26T02:04:23 < aandrew> he does show absolutley no outward effort though, it's just natural to him
2017-02-26T02:04:39 < aandrew> all these guitarists are skinny rails too
2017-02-26T02:05:00 < aandrew> wonder if it's the lifestyle or just something about holing yourself up playing until your fingers bleed day after day
2017-02-26T02:05:47 < aandrew> jesus it sounds like chiptunes at some point (https://youtu.be/31eReSNRrhU?t=190)
2017-02-26T02:08:03 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grBmQwLSlDw that's more my speed... this is just a sound check too apparently
2017-02-26T02:08:11 < aandrew> another person who is just effortless
2017-02-26T02:09:05 < aandrew> tryign to identify that specific guitar, looks a lot like the Fender Mustang I got from my dad
2017-02-26T02:09:51 < aandrew> I've got a V70CE or something for campfires and stuff
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2017-02-26T02:10:06 < stvn> cathode
2017-02-26T02:11:35 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEuKbE4MXPE that is one of my favourites for coding to
2017-02-26T02:12:30 < jadew> mine is a Lag T77DCE
2017-02-26T02:12:34 < jadew> I think it's french
2017-02-26T02:12:59 < aandrew> I like the acoustic and it's cheap enough that I don't mind taking it camping etc, it's just *big*
2017-02-26T02:13:04 < aandrew> I want to get a little mandolin tbh
2017-02-26T02:15:02 < jadew> I'll start practicing guitar again
2017-02-26T02:15:23 < jadew> haha
2017-02-26T02:15:26 < aandrew> I always found it nice to screw around on, but you don't ever get good playing by yourself
2017-02-26T02:15:34 < aandrew> I don't think you can even play guitar to anything Bieber
2017-02-26T02:16:07 < jadew> that song I linked was just guitar + lyrics, I don't know any of his other stuff
2017-02-26T02:16:27 < jadew> seems simple too
2017-02-26T02:16:35 < aandrew> jadew: you found the guitar tabs online right?
2017-02-26T02:16:50 < jadew> no, I didn't search for it
2017-02-26T02:16:52 < aandrew> I have a gigantic binder filled with tabs for songs I like to practise, each in those plastic paper covers
2017-02-26T02:17:08 < aandrew> (again when camping or drinking, you own't ruin the papers when spilling beer or whatever on them)
2017-02-26T02:17:17 < stvn> lol
2017-02-26T02:17:24 < jadew> that's a good idea
2017-02-26T02:17:40 < aandrew> yep. don't want to take a tablet camping, that misses the point entirely
2017-02-26T02:18:26 < aandrew> also learned about the chord wheel about 8 years ago but haven't played much since finding it
2017-02-26T02:18:44 < aandrew> it's quite awesome to use though, it's easy to find chords that "fit" with what you're trying to do
2017-02-26T02:18:53 < aandrew> anyone with basic music theory knows this already but I have none
2017-02-26T02:19:22 < jadew> I don't know what that is
2017-02-26T02:19:34 < aandrew> no?
2017-02-26T02:19:55 < aandrew> google image search for chord wheel
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2017-02-26T02:19:59 < jadew> found some videos on it
2017-02-26T02:20:01 < aandrew> there's also an app for it (naturally)
2017-02-26T02:20:39 < aandrew> it's funny, I found a lot of tracker music producition videos (guys who use multitrack editors to produce your standard EDM type music) and they explain the theory a lot too
2017-02-26T02:21:53 < stvn> cool mate
2017-02-26T02:22:29 < stvn> used to play a lot of guitar myself.
2017-02-26T02:22:45 < stvn> but then i got addicted to pumping on IRC
2017-02-26T02:22:51 < aandrew> pumping?
2017-02-26T02:23:02 < stvn> attn dongs 
2017-02-26T02:23:05 < stvn> ^
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2017-02-26T02:29:13 < aandrew> At the height of Vaughan's substance abuse, he drank a quart of whiskey and used a quarter ounce of cocaine each day.
2017-02-26T02:29:16 < aandrew> wow
2017-02-26T02:31:43 < aandrew> ahh, SRV was most known for using a fender strat
2017-02-26T02:32:03 < aandrew> dad's got a telecaster and a fender bass, I got his mustang
2017-02-26T02:32:11 < stvn> did it look bigger than stephens
2017-02-26T02:32:24 < stvn> yah i got a strat and les paul
2017-02-26T02:32:26 < aandrew> I also had a 1950something harmony rocket but i sold it, I hated that thing
2017-02-26T02:32:45 < aandrew> god damn rickenbacker sounded like it was made of aluminum pie plates as far as I'm concerned
2017-02-26T02:32:48 < stvn> guitars i could only dream about when i was young but now i own them they're collecting dust
2017-02-26T02:32:50 < aandrew> some people love them
2017-02-26T02:32:53 < aandrew> yeah
2017-02-26T02:33:08 < aandrew> dad has a really nice limited edition gibson acoustic, all mother of pearl inlay and stuff
2017-02-26T02:33:18 < stvn> http://products.semelab-tt.com/magnatec/alfet.shtml
2017-02-26T02:33:24 < aandrew> it's got amazing sound. you sound a chord and it continues for almost two minutes
2017-02-26T02:33:25 < stvn> now i just look at semiconductors
2017-02-26T02:35:18 < aandrew> heh I barely do that these days
2017-02-26T02:35:23 < aandrew> most of my work is cookie cutter
2017-02-26T02:36:03 < aandrew> although I am working on some cool magnetic tracking stuff these days. they're doing it all kludgey, I think I can do it much better with a current source power supply and directly generate the waveforms with mosfets and PWM
2017-02-26T02:36:21 < aandrew> but ain't nobody got time for that, gotta pay the bills
2017-02-26T02:38:28 < aandrew> haha SRV used the same amps my dad has, fender super reverbs
2017-02-26T02:38:39 < aandrew> I remember the smell of those amps so well
2017-02-26T02:40:24 < aandrew> when he dies I'm gonna claim them. hm, now I want to power them up just to smell them again
2017-02-26T02:40:47 < sync_> I got a fender musicmaster bass
2017-02-26T02:40:52 < aandrew> anyway, enough guitar blogging, there's code to be written
2017-02-26T02:40:52 < sync_> but I don't play the guitar
2017-02-26T02:41:36 < aandrew> did I paste this here before? http://blog.deepgram.com/how-to-train-baidus-deepspeech-model-with-kur/
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2017-02-26T03:01:13 < stvn> GRAM
2017-02-26T03:12:12 < stvn> I'm at the pumping station
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2017-02-26T03:30:48 < stvn> Tectu good morning
2017-02-26T03:45:12 < dongs> fuckin aids
2017-02-26T03:46:19 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-02-26T03:46:28 < Laurenceb> good morning to you dongs
2017-02-26T03:46:58 < Laurenceb> https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xQr4vghemtkHbW/giphy.gif
2017-02-26T03:47:48 < aandrew> dongs spotted?
2017-02-26T03:48:02 < Laurenceb> probably
2017-02-26T03:48:31 < dongs> i woudln't be attending such FAGGOT gatherings
2017-02-26T03:48:45 < aandrew> knd of how I picture him... some vietnam war vet burned out on guns and weed, so moved ot japland and became stm32 pro burned out on Keil and natto
2017-02-26T03:50:26 < jadew> what do japanese eat?
2017-02-26T03:50:28 < dongs> i'm no clive1
2017-02-26T03:50:37 < dongs> i do not claim any expertise in anything STM32 related
2017-02-26T03:50:42 < jadew> did you know that guy doesn't even work for st?
2017-02-26T03:50:49 < dongs> yeah
2017-02-26T03:50:56 < dongs> hes the dude who co-wrote sourcer
2017-02-26T03:51:06 < dongs> i used that back in dos days
2017-02-26T03:51:11 < aandrew> this is probably my favourite dongs related video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46G_45oXtwo
2017-02-26T03:51:12 < jadew> I used it too
2017-02-26T03:51:17 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxSRCY5VM6I
2017-02-26T03:51:18 < jadew> very nice tool
2017-02-26T03:51:21 < jadew> I probably still have it
2017-02-26T03:51:23 < aandrew> sourcer... man I have not heard of that in AGES
2017-02-26T03:51:50 < dongs> thats how old clive1 is
2017-02-26T03:51:53 < dongs> OLDER THAN SOURCER
2017-02-26T03:52:03 < jadew> heh
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2017-02-26T03:53:21 < aandrew> http://www.danielsays.com/ss-gallery-dos-sourcer-323.html
2017-02-26T03:53:41 < aandrew> man that brings back some memories
2017-02-26T03:53:47 < aandrew> not sure if flashbacks or memories
2017-02-26T03:54:01 < dongs> attn Steffanx https://clubgwagen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=8459
2017-02-26T03:54:02 < aandrew> printing out PAGES of disassembly on dot matrix printers
2017-02-26T03:54:02 < jadew> I was so jealous at that program because I was writing my own decompiler (don't ask me why, I don't remember) and I had that thing in the back of my mind, intimidating me
2017-02-26T03:54:10 < aandrew> ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOO
2017-02-26T03:54:16 < aandrew> OOOOOOOOORRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZ
2017-02-26T03:54:22 < aandrew> (my printer printed both backward and forward)
2017-02-26T03:54:50 < dongs> thats pretty PRO
2017-02-26T03:54:55 < aandrew> yep
2017-02-26T03:54:58 < aandrew> some fujitsu
2017-02-26T03:55:06 < aandrew> won it at a skills canada competition when I was a kid
2017-02-26T03:55:13 < aandrew> only thing in my life I ever won
2017-02-26T03:55:37 < aandrew> well no, tha'ts not true... about 10 or 15 years ago I won a giant bottle of vodka at a buck and doe
2017-02-26T03:55:39 < dongs> im pritning all my EMS labels on an amazing LAN-enabled NEC dotmatrix
2017-02-26T03:55:39 < jadew> my wife's grandmother won two cars at the lottery
2017-02-26T03:55:44 < dongs> that shit rules
2017-02-26T03:55:54 < dongs> its also like 30kg
2017-02-26T03:56:25 < jadew> but it's possible they bought the tickets, because I think there was a time when you weren't allowed more than 1 car
2017-02-26T03:56:50 < jadew> (unless won at the lottery)
2017-02-26T03:57:06 < aandrew> jadew: was gonna ask but then remembered, romania
2017-02-26T03:57:13 < jadew> heh
2017-02-26T03:57:16 < aandrew> DACIA
2017-02-26T03:57:19 < jadew> yeah
2017-02-26T03:57:30 < aandrew> I do love me those 2L bottles of Ursus though
2017-02-26T03:57:49 < stvn> did it look bigger than stephens
2017-02-26T03:59:34 < upgrdman> why would they limit you to 1 car
2017-02-26T03:59:46 < upgrdman> is romania communist?
2017-02-26T03:59:48 < jadew> upgrdman, communists, who the fuck knows
2017-02-26T03:59:51 < jadew> it was
2017-02-26T03:59:58 < upgrdman> o
2017-02-26T04:00:15 < jadew> there was a time when only half the population could drive on one day and the other half on the next day
2017-02-26T04:00:26 < jadew> based on the number plate
2017-02-26T04:00:30 < jadew> if it was odd or even
2017-02-26T04:00:31 < upgrdman> to encourage puplic transit?
2017-02-26T04:00:42 < jadew> no idea
2017-02-26T04:00:47 < jadew> oh, I remember
2017-02-26T04:00:49 < jadew> it was to save gas
2017-02-26T04:14:10 < aandrew> jadew: my wife told me about that
2017-02-26T04:14:16 < aandrew> the driving based on license plates
2017-02-26T04:14:26 < aandrew> I think... might be misremembering something I read about china to combat smog though
2017-02-26T04:14:46 < aandrew> her brother who still lives in .ro removes the wiper blades from his car every day because people steal them
2017-02-26T04:15:36 < jadew> lol
2017-02-26T04:15:42 < jadew> where does he live?
2017-02-26T04:15:50 < jadew> in here they steal the mirrors
2017-02-26T04:15:53 < jadew> but only on nice cars
2017-02-26T04:16:06 < jadew> so you have to etch your plate number on them
2017-02-26T04:17:29 < Laurenceb> wtf is going on here
2017-02-26T04:17:51 < Laurenceb> crt raging by the look of it
2017-02-26T04:19:13  * Laurenceb is busy raging at GoPro
2017-02-26T04:19:23 < Laurenceb> or as I call it, GoFail
2017-02-26T04:19:37 < Laurenceb> attn dongs: it runs lunix
2017-02-26T04:19:49 < upgrdman> https://i.redditmedia.com/jp5nA2DxtjpeLsMikQjF9gj_ctcrtQz4UHdF6yyshh8.jpg?w=700&s=d3305c221a43920ad5a39b76612ffc8a
2017-02-26T04:21:35 < stvn> wb Laurenceb 
2017-02-26T04:23:44 < Laurenceb> No SD
2017-02-26T04:23:56 < Laurenceb> no its right in the slot you lunix piece of shit
2017-02-26T04:24:10 < stvn> wikipaedia
2017-02-26T04:24:11 < Laurenceb> I mean I run lunix on desktop but its an epic fail for embedded
2017-02-26T04:24:43 < stvn> ok
2017-02-26T04:25:07 < Laurenceb> maybe there is uart output on the mainboard somewhere...
2017-02-26T04:25:57 < Laurenceb> itd be nice to know what the actual error is
2017-02-26T04:27:59 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbKmm_xAEro
2017-02-26T04:28:03 < dongs> < Laurenceb> attn dongs: it runs lunix
2017-02-26T04:28:07 < dongs> only the new shit
2017-02-26T04:28:14 < dongs> before it was some simple rtos
2017-02-26T04:28:16 < Laurenceb> I have a "Hero 3"
2017-02-26T04:28:17 < dongs> then they fagged it up
2017-02-26T04:28:29 < Laurenceb> stupid name is stupid
2017-02-26T04:28:56 < Laurenceb> aiui they run lunix as an rtos task
2017-02-26T04:29:15 < Laurenceb> and their fat driver is corrupting the card
2017-02-26T04:29:35 < Laurenceb> ironically probably cuz they grabbed some shit from micro$oft
2017-02-26T04:29:39 < stvn> what an autistic unit!!
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2017-02-26T04:30:09 < englishman> of course it runs lunix why else would an action cam take 15s to boot
2017-02-26T04:30:09 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-02-26T04:30:19 < Laurenceb> hahaha 2 true
2017-02-26T04:30:33 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcOE1ScBozI
2017-02-26T04:34:38  * Laurenceb wonders if gopro answer emails
2017-02-26T04:35:02 < Laurenceb> prob with "try a different card"
2017-02-26T04:35:56 < dongs> i once crashed a gobro1 so hard that the BGA tore itself off the pcb
2017-02-26T04:35:59 < dongs> wiht all the traces
2017-02-26T04:36:08 < dongs> i emailed them with pix and said "wat do"
2017-02-26T04:36:16 < aandrew> jadew: he's in Bucharest
2017-02-26T04:36:39 < aandrew> upgrdman: haha
2017-02-26T04:37:05 < Laurenceb> thanks dongs
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2017-02-26T04:37:17 < Laurenceb> after that much trolling they will never reply to emails
2017-02-26T04:37:23 < dongs> correct
2017-02-26T04:37:29 < Laurenceb> brilliant
2017-02-26T04:37:41 < dongs> this was back in the day when you could whois gobro.com and the dudes personal cell was in the info
2017-02-26T04:37:57 < Laurenceb> maybe someone has a working kernel image...
2017-02-26T04:38:02 < dongs> and back when they were just copypasting ambarella reference design stolen from yamaha or something
2017-02-26T04:38:09 < Laurenceb> yeah I know
2017-02-26T04:38:20 < Laurenceb> the dsp and optics are v pro
2017-02-26T04:38:25 < Laurenceb> but thats the bits they stole
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2017-02-26T04:39:07 < Laurenceb> its quite cool to move into a dark room and see the spacial/temporal wavelet filtering adjusting
2017-02-26T04:39:22 < Laurenceb> it seems to be integrated into the h.264 encode as well
2017-02-26T04:39:40 < Laurenceb> but all of that was done by ambarella aiui
2017-02-26T04:40:07 < Laurenceb> gofail made the epin fail enbedded lunix part
2017-02-26T04:40:55 < Laurenceb> maybe ambarella made a µSD card driver...
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2017-02-26T04:53:59 < jadew> crt, why aren't you not making videos of your repairs? I'm sure people would watch that
2017-02-26T04:54:59 < jadew> you could upload only the complex ones, so your customers won't learn how you rip them off
2017-02-26T04:55:18 < jadew> "$2 capacitor, $300 bill for the customer!"
2017-02-26T04:55:55 < aandrew> nothing wrong with that, no need to hide it
2017-02-26T04:56:06 < aandrew> if the customer had the knowledge they'd do it themselves
2017-02-26T04:56:16 < aandrew> clearly they don't, so they're paying for the privilege, same as any tradesman
2017-02-26T04:56:33 < jadew> they could get ideas and do it themselves
2017-02-26T04:57:03 < jadew> he'd lose customers or worse, create competition
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2017-02-26T05:00:40 < jadew> crt, do you ever get stuff that the customer tried to fix beforehand?
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2017-02-26T05:15:05 < aandrew> nah
2017-02-26T05:15:19 < aandrew> usually people who THINK they know what they're doing end up driving more business to him becaue they fuck up worse :-)
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2017-02-26T05:25:28 < upgrdman> tv famous  https://i.imgur.com/3fV944b.jpg
2017-02-26T05:32:27 < englishman> nobody wants to watch "the DJ repair hunter" with stvn irwin
2017-02-26T05:33:09 < jadew> sounds catchy
2017-02-26T05:34:41 < jadew> repairs are very interesting if you don't do the same thing over and over again
2017-02-26T05:35:42 < jadew> when you repair something new, you have to study how the thing works, what could have caused it, what would the effects of that failure be, etc
2017-02-26T05:35:47 < jadew> it's interesting stuff
2017-02-26T05:36:28 < aandrew> yep, it's a skill I suck at
2017-02-26T05:37:04 < jadew> I enjoy it
2017-02-26T05:37:27 < jadew> + when I buy broken stuff it's a huge rush, especially as I'm trying to fix it
2017-02-26T05:38:04 < aandrew> for sure, it's a quality I admire
2017-02-26T05:49:16 < jadew> http://www.thejournal.ie/theresa-may-lego-robot-grimace-3242497-Feb2017/
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2017-02-26T06:14:00 < stvn> sup crt
2017-02-26T06:14:43 < stvn> what's pumping?
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2017-02-26T06:23:55 < Rob235> ugh, I forgot how much moving sucks
2017-02-26T06:30:11 < upgrdman> Rob235, just smoke all your e-cig juice so you dont have to move it
2017-02-26T06:30:19 < upgrdman> problem solved
2017-02-26T06:30:39 < Rob235> :)
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2017-02-26T07:31:42 < stvn> ive just run out is all
2017-02-26T07:31:47 < stvn> of ones long enough
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2017-02-26T07:39:57 < stvn> englishman, what has poutine cat told you
2017-02-26T07:41:05 < ReadError> meow moew moew moww
2017-02-26T07:41:11 < stvn> uh oh
2017-02-26T07:41:17 < stvn> what doin mate
2017-02-26T07:41:25 < ReadError> 0.0
2017-02-26T07:41:37 < ReadError> O.O
2017-02-26T07:41:55 < ReadError> ( ).( )
2017-02-26T07:42:22 < stvn> okay
2017-02-26T07:42:24 < stvn> i'll be back
2017-02-26T07:42:41 < ReadError> 👍🏿
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2017-02-26T07:55:59 < stvn> u wot mate
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2017-02-26T08:35:03 < ReadError> O.O
2017-02-26T08:54:27 < ohsix> ReadError: taboo was good
2017-02-26T08:54:34 < ohsix> then humanity let me down
2017-02-26T08:54:51 < ohsix> people talking about a season 2
2017-02-26T08:54:56 < ohsix> 'season'
2017-02-26T08:55:17 < ohsix> uk production, if they wind it up again just because they can, it'll be sad indeed
2017-02-26T08:55:53 < upgrdman> speak of uk, is The IT Crowd still around
2017-02-26T08:56:02 < upgrdman> least i saw was season 2 or 3
2017-02-26T08:56:07 < upgrdman> was good back then
2017-02-26T08:56:26 < ohsix> nah it's been dead for an age, and wrap up movie thing
2017-02-26T08:57:33 < ohsix> murder in successville is still going, it's kind of funny, in a mostly improvised, one actor doesn't know anything kind of way
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2017-02-26T09:06:54 < ohsix> got those 3mm white leds
2017-02-26T09:06:58 < ohsix> shit is blinding
2017-02-26T09:09:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm. For a stewart platform, do I want a fat aspect ratio, or a skinny aspect ratio
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2017-02-26T09:10:03 < aandrew> ok, why the fuck is my EXTI15 not firing
2017-02-26T09:10:29 < upgrdman> aandrew, gpio clock, exti clock, both config'd, etc.
2017-02-26T09:10:57 < aandrew> yes, porta is working for other things
2017-02-26T09:11:02 < aandrew> EXTI clock though... let me check that shit
2017-02-26T09:12:29 < upgrdman> this might help, my shit code for the f0:  https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot_Firmware/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_exti.c#L11
2017-02-26T09:14:02 < upgrdman> example usage of said shit code:  https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot_Firmware/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_mpu6050_hmc5883l.c#L133
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2017-02-26T09:19:10 < ohsix> this is a little too dongensian 23:10 < aandrew> ok, why the fuck is my EXTI15 not firing
2017-02-26T09:19:37 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: skinny, but for what
2017-02-26T09:19:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> ohsix, the quadrapod robots spine
2017-02-26T09:20:20 < aandrew> oh
2017-02-26T09:20:24 < aandrew> I'm an idiot
2017-02-26T09:20:35 < aandrew> I forgot to move the IRQ code from IRQ15_10 to IRQ0
2017-02-26T09:20:46 < aandrew> dongensian?
2017-02-26T09:20:51 < ohsix> like dickensian
2017-02-26T09:21:05 < ohsix> evoking the style
2017-02-26T09:21:20 < aandrew> I don't think there's anything dongensian there
2017-02-26T09:21:25 < ohsix> hehe
2017-02-26T09:21:26 < aandrew> don't devs talk like that?
2017-02-26T09:21:28 < ohsix> k
2017-02-26T09:21:32 < ohsix> not really
2017-02-26T09:21:38 < ohsix> that's a last ditch, rubber duck debugging thing
2017-02-26T09:21:49 < aandrew> ... which is pretty much any dev
2017-02-26T09:21:55 < ohsix> i heard it a lot when dongs needed help with shit
2017-02-26T09:22:09 < aandrew> ah
2017-02-26T09:22:22 < ohsix> and sure, any dev, but after how long trying
2017-02-26T09:22:47 < ohsix> so delicious
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2017-02-26T09:22:48 < ohsix> of or reminiscent of the novels of Charles Dickens, especially in suggesting the poor social conditions or comically repulsive characters that they portray.
2017-02-26T09:22:53 < ohsix> hehehehehehheheheheHEHEHEEUHEOUEROUHRO
2017-02-26T09:23:00 < aandrew> ohsix: how do you know how long I've been trying? :-)
2017-02-26T09:23:01 < Jak_o_Shadows> The other question, apart from long/skinny/fat/short is what ratio of motor lever arm to other leg bit
2017-02-26T09:23:13 < ohsix> aandrew: doesn't work if it was not long
2017-02-26T09:23:37 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: there's more than one book about the math and stuff for one of those things
2017-02-26T09:24:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> I have the basics of the math working. Like, going forward to workign out force, and leg postion, and going backwards too
2017-02-26T09:24:17 < aandrew> hm now it's rebooting the device
2017-02-26T09:24:36 < Jak_o_Shadows> I haven't looked at sensitivity though - can't imagine how you'd work out force sensitivity to anything, finding forces is solving 6 simultaneous equations
2017-02-26T09:25:48 < ohsix> nasa just builds it big enough to not think about it
2017-02-26T09:27:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> aye. Or for the workspace calculations, just distributes it over, and doesn't bother being clever
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2017-02-26T09:27:45 < upgrdman> Jak_o_Shadows, doing something small or big? if small, maybe see if the code for this is avail   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4OmVLc_oDw
2017-02-26T09:27:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> Definitely small
2017-02-26T09:27:58 < ohsix> hmph
2017-02-26T09:28:06 < ohsix> there's no goodtools for atari 800 junk
2017-02-26T09:28:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> upgrdman, apart from the PID bit, I have everything you'd need for that :D
2017-02-26T09:28:36 < ohsix> how do i check my gubbins for completeness
2017-02-26T09:28:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> oh, I don't have an actual platform yet
2017-02-26T09:28:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> that too
2017-02-26T09:30:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> Oh hell, servos have jitter. SO I probably want to make it so it uses the most of the servos range of motion as possible
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2017-02-26T09:31:28 < ohsix> are they linear things, cuz that extra moment makes everything a lot harder
2017-02-26T09:31:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> Nonlinear.
2017-02-26T09:31:49 < ohsix> http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-400-800-xl-xe-ohm-s-law_19696.html heheh
2017-02-26T09:32:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> With rotary actuators, instead of linear ones, it is harder. But linear actuators are expensive, and heavier
2017-02-26T09:33:16 < ohsix> bruh, muh jacobians, bruhhh
2017-02-26T09:33:49 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah. Pretty muchh
2017-02-26T09:34:32 < ohsix> what about these https://www.aliexpress.com/item/free-shipping-2pcs-lot-1-5-g-servo-micro-digital-servo-loading-two-linear-servo-Goteck/1749616753.html
2017-02-26T09:34:55 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's throw is like, 20mm
2017-02-26T09:34:56 < aandrew> hm, wonder if it's acting up because it's WAKEUP
2017-02-26T09:34:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> That's TINY
2017-02-26T09:35:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> I say small, but I'd like about 150cm height at least
2017-02-26T09:35:15 < aandrew> I'm not even getting a hit in the EXTI0 IRQ handler
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2017-02-26T09:35:42 < ohsix> i saw some cheap crap things that weren't called out as linear actuators, trying to find them
2017-02-26T09:35:46 < ohsix> they weren't joke toys :p
2017-02-26T09:36:46 < ohsix> there's always the crap timing belt thing with a regular stepper too
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2017-02-26T09:39:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> woooah
2017-02-26T09:39:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> I mean 150mm
2017-02-26T09:39:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> 150cm would be big
2017-02-26T09:39:37 < stvn> its a fucken piece a shit
2017-02-26T09:40:11 < stvn> is there any author for audio power amp design who isnt delusional
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2017-02-26T09:46:12 < ohsix> can't find it
2017-02-26T09:46:27 < ohsix> stvn: author?
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2017-02-26T11:08:45 < ReadError> y u talking to yourself m8
2017-02-26T11:13:44 < Tectu> c'mon guys
2017-02-26T11:13:45 < Tectu> be nice
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2017-02-26T12:17:16 < Steffanx> Lol dongs. I wont drive that.
2017-02-26T12:18:46 < zyp> Steffanx, so, you have messed around with zwave already?
2017-02-26T12:19:11 < Steffanx> No. But i was going to.
2017-02-26T12:19:19 < Steffanx> *am
2017-02-26T12:19:42 < zyp> cool
2017-02-26T12:20:35 < zyp> apparently I'm going to have to reveng the serial protocol, since apparently the documentation isn't available without buying a $1k+ SDK and signing a NDA
2017-02-26T12:22:03 < zyp> so if you want to work together on that, let me know
2017-02-26T12:22:58 < Steffanx> Reverse engineering the rf protocol would be cool 
2017-02-26T12:24:07 < Steffanx> Or is it already open..
2017-02-26T12:24:47 < zyp> found some people doing that too
2017-02-26T12:25:02 < zyp> but I'm not looking to make custom hardware right now, just software
2017-02-26T12:25:19 < Steffanx> Hmm there are some documents now. Dont remember seeing that before
2017-02-26T12:25:30 < zyp> url?
2017-02-26T12:26:55 < Steffanx> http://z-wave.sigmadesigns.com/design-z-wave/z-wave-public-specification/ and zwavepublic.com
2017-02-26T12:30:13 < Steffanx> You already look at the .net/c++ openzwave lib i guess?
2017-02-26T12:30:18 < Steffanx> Looked*
2017-02-26T12:30:54 < zyp> yeah, open-zwave looks bloated and annoying
2017-02-26T12:31:28 < zyp> but I've been looking at the source to figure out parts of the serial protocol :p
2017-02-26T12:31:34 < zyp> the framing looks simple enough
2017-02-26T12:45:59 < zyp> hmm, looks like those public specs covers all the device classes
2017-02-26T12:46:19 < zyp> but not the lowlevel serial protocol :p
2017-02-26T12:47:15 < zyp> but that's okay, that's probably a fairly thin transport
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2017-02-26T12:59:42 < Ecco> hey
2017-02-26T13:00:05 < Ecco> Guys, I'm looking for a wire that would be convenient to patch PCBs
2017-02-26T13:00:13 < Ecco> Something I could solder straight to an LQFP pin for example
2017-02-26T13:00:32 < Ecco> So far I did with random wire lying around
2017-02-26T13:00:41 < Ecco> but in general they're terrible to deal with
2017-02-26T13:02:10 < gjm> Magnet Wire
2017-02-26T13:02:26 < Ecco> Hmm, yeah, that could work
2017-02-26T13:02:41 < Ecco> I always had trouble dealing with the insulation enamel
2017-02-26T13:03:01 < Ecco> How do you remove it? How do you know it's there?
2017-02-26T13:03:12 < sync_> tin beforehand
2017-02-26T13:03:42 < Ecco> Not sure I understand
2017-02-26T13:03:49 < Ecco> Solder won't stick to the enamel, will it?
2017-02-26T13:03:53 < Thorn> http://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/stranded-hook-up-wire-ptfe-insulation/1944
2017-02-26T13:04:15 < Thorn> http://www.daburn.com/2452-DAFLON-Ultra-Flexible-Microminiature-PTFE-Hook-Up-Wire-250-C-300V.aspx
2017-02-26T13:04:16 < Ecco> Thorn: This one has multiple "sub-wires" (don't know the proper term)
2017-02-26T13:04:23 < Ecco> In general I really don't like those
2017-02-26T13:04:24 < Thorn> strands
2017-02-26T13:04:29 < Ecco> strands, right, thanks
2017-02-26T13:04:51 < Ecco> Thorn, interesting links
2017-02-26T13:05:27 < Ecco> What AWF would you recommend ?
2017-02-26T13:05:53 < Ecco> Also why PTFE? Is it strongly heat-resistant?
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2017-02-26T13:06:15 < Ecco> All the cheap wire I've been using so far had a plastic coating that retracts as soon as you bring a soldering iron nearby
2017-02-26T13:06:27 < Ecco> (and it reeks of burned plastic of course...)
2017-02-26T13:06:49 < Thorn> 0.2mm^2 or less if you want to solder to pins imo
2017-02-26T13:06:57 < Ecco> ok great
2017-02-26T13:07:01 < Ecco> Thanks for that
2017-02-26T13:07:28 < Ecco> Thorn: Aren't you annoyed by stranded wire?
2017-02-26T13:07:44 < Ecco> I understand that those are much more resistant to fatigue
2017-02-26T13:07:54 < Ecco> but it's not a big problem when patching a board
2017-02-26T13:08:21 < Ecco> and on the other hand most of the time a strand will get in the way and stick out, risking a short circuit
2017-02-26T13:10:53 < Thorn> dunno, UTP is also 0.2mm^2 and it's really easy to break when bending. perhaps chinese copper
2017-02-26T13:11:21 < Ecco> UTP as in Cat5 network cable?
2017-02-26T13:11:27 < Thorn> yes
2017-02-26T13:11:57 < Ecco> I would have said it's much bigger than something I could use to solder directly to a pin
2017-02-26T13:12:12 < Ecco> Yeah, those are fragile, but you can bend them a few time without them breaking apart
2017-02-26T13:12:20 < Ecco> (a few, not many, definitely)
2017-02-26T13:12:56 < Ecco> How do you guys tin magnet wire?
2017-02-26T13:17:34 < sync_> as I said, before you solder it on to where you want it
2017-02-26T13:17:43 < sync_> just put a blob of solder on your iron and put the wire in
2017-02-26T13:18:00 < sync_> adding solder regularily so that the flux burns the enamel away
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2017-02-26T13:40:44 < Ecco> ok
2017-02-26T13:53:22 < Steffanx> So did you figure out your electricity issue zyp?
2017-02-26T13:53:32 < zyp> nah
2017-02-26T13:53:51 < Steffanx> Still without power?
2017-02-26T13:54:02 < zyp> just that room
2017-02-26T13:54:30 < Steffanx> lol. ok.
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2017-02-26T14:48:51 < Steffanx> Is there some law in the US the forces you to mow your lawn ( in from of your house). No matter how ugly the street/houses, the lawn is mown.
2017-02-26T14:51:04 < zyp> sounds like HOA regulations
2017-02-26T15:03:00 < Thorn> why is osx requesting HID descriptors from my custom class device once a day
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2017-02-26T15:17:12 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuKTIco9meA
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2017-02-26T15:30:03 < englishman> hm
2017-02-26T15:30:17 < englishman> zwave integratec SoC with onboard rf transceiver
2017-02-26T15:30:26 < englishman> supported in keil directly
2017-02-26T15:30:41 < Tectu> zwave
2017-02-26T15:30:42 < Tectu> no.
2017-02-26T15:30:49 < englishman> might be hard to reverse engineer ota stuff without directly packet sniffing
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2017-02-26T15:31:24 < englishman> is this for your car controller, zyp 
2017-02-26T15:31:29 < englishman> moin Tectu 
2017-02-26T15:31:36 < Tectu> nabend o/
2017-02-26T15:32:01 < englishman> salut o7
2017-02-26T15:33:07 < englishman> AES for transmissions too
2017-02-26T15:33:17 < englishman> $1k might not be too bad to get hold of dox
2017-02-26T15:34:59 < Tectu> using the "I'm not a native french speaker"-card to say nasty things to french speaking girls on purpose and they totally fall for it.
2017-02-26T15:35:27 < Tectu> then one of the girl came to my final project presentation which I did on french and notice that I'm almost-native speaker level pumper
2017-02-26T15:35:27 < englishman> you dog
2017-02-26T15:36:18 < Tectu> and said girl didn't get mad but thinks that it was cute instead :'D
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2017-02-26T15:39:18 < englishman> its all 8051
2017-02-26T15:41:19 < englishman> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/sigma-designs-inc/RBK-ZW500DEV-CON/703-1099-ND/5218139
2017-02-26T15:41:40 < Steffanx> Yes. And it seems to use some spi crap to program
2017-02-26T15:41:45 < englishman> Access to download center for complete Z-Wave protocol stack and API function
2017-02-26T15:41:50 < englishman> Comes with license to use Z-Wave technology world-wide
2017-02-26T15:41:55 < Steffanx> + nda 
2017-02-26T15:42:13 < englishman> does it tho
2017-02-26T15:42:33 < englishman> well maybe if you agree to license etc
2017-02-26T15:42:53 < englishman> but those "open pkg only if you agree with license" things are unenforceable
2017-02-26T15:43:51 < englishman> whats your interest in zwave, steffan?
2017-02-26T15:44:05 < englishman> this could be pretty interesting for some agricultural applications
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2017-02-26T15:44:19 < Steffanx> home automagation englishman
2017-02-26T15:44:22 < englishman> as cheap distributed process control
2017-02-26T15:44:23 < englishman> ah
2017-02-26T15:45:21 < englishman> what does that mean to you?
2017-02-26T15:45:31 < englishman> like, you turn on the TV and lights automatically dim? or something
2017-02-26T15:46:01 < Steffanx> I hardly watch TV, but im lazy, so yes
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2017-02-26T16:16:01 < Thorn> >On the interface of the Cortex-M0 processor, there is an 8-bit signal called IRQLATENCY, which is connected to the NVIC.
2017-02-26T16:16:35 < Thorn> there is no mention of it in f0 ref manuals afaict
2017-02-26T16:17:01 < Thorn> there is in the lpc11 manual however
2017-02-26T16:45:50 < Ecco> Recommended pad footprint for a 2.54mm standard header ?
2017-02-26T16:51:09 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nap0gtds5tQ
2017-02-26T16:51:21 < englishman> rossman got nothing on this
2017-02-26T16:52:11 < Ecco> Allright
2017-02-26T16:52:52 < Steffanx> Someone else posted that before.. Cant be real
2017-02-26T16:52:53 < englishman> ecco i have two depending on how tight i want the pins to seat
2017-02-26T16:55:01 < Ecco> ok, thanks :)
2017-02-26T16:55:27 < Ecco> I settled for 1mm hole size, 1.5mm pad diameter
2017-02-26T16:55:32 < Ecco> (and ofc 2.54mm spacing)
2017-02-26T16:55:38 < Ecco> and a square pad for pad0
2017-02-26T16:56:29 < corecode> oddity - adc fails to signal start after interrupt being disabled for some time
2017-02-26T16:56:33 < corecode> i wonder what that's about
2017-02-26T16:56:45 < englishman> 35/70mil is hole/pad for tight iirc
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2017-02-26T17:09:17 < sync_> englishman: we did some staggered pattern for the headers
2017-02-26T17:09:20 < sync_> it is g8 m8
2017-02-26T17:09:22 < sync_> +r
2017-02-26T17:14:10 < englishman> aidsfruit style
2017-02-26T17:14:40 < Steffanx> Hi dongs.
2017-02-26T17:15:38 < Steffanx> No, englishman is wannabee donging.
2017-02-26T17:15:59 < englishman> what are you talking about
2017-02-26T17:16:10 < englishman> those staggered icsp headers are straight out of aidsfruit eagle library
2017-02-26T17:16:43 < Steffanx> "aidsfruit" englishman <= wannabee donging
2017-02-26T17:16:48 < corecode> anybody seen adc SWSTART not clearing?
2017-02-26T17:16:55 < englishman> oh i see, you're chatting with a troll, i'll go do other stuff
2017-02-26T17:16:55 < corecode> what could cause that?
2017-02-26T17:21:32 < Steffanx> Not cleared.. never had that
2017-02-26T17:21:56 < corecode> Steffanx: yea odd - it happens when i had interrupts disabled for a longer time
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2017-02-26T17:39:03 < kakimir> let's code
2017-02-26T17:40:25 < kakimir> 176errors
2017-02-26T17:41:42 < kakimir> let's get debug session running today
2017-02-26T17:43:14 < kakimir> I should boot debug server
2017-02-26T17:51:37 < kakimir> better install updates after a year so that my debug configuration stops working and I get to troubleshoot for a night!
2017-02-26T17:54:28 < kakimir> I wonder if I could debug from ram with my broken flash board
2017-02-26T17:54:53 < kakimir> didn't try that
2017-02-26T17:57:00 < kakimir> I was too much in doing that remapping around the broken area
2017-02-26T18:02:12 < kakimir> still it would be nice
2017-02-26T18:02:34 < kakimir> it's like literally a year ago I did debugging on this with it's designated hardware
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2017-02-26T18:05:11 < Steffanx> i see nano-pb even made it into nrf examples. You can be proud jpa-_ :P
2017-02-26T18:06:53 < kakimir> 				CommandType *commandpointer = &COMMANDS;									//Pointer to commands
2017-02-26T18:07:10 < kakimir> how do I use COMMANDS directly as CommandType pointer?
2017-02-26T18:07:33 < kakimir> it's struct and I want to use it like an array
2017-02-26T18:08:49 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okvhh3tf1Lc
2017-02-26T18:08:57 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: it's what I do now
2017-02-26T18:09:35 < kakimir> but I want to use in another occasion COMMANDS directly as CommandType pointer
2017-02-26T18:10:22 < kakimir> &COMMANDS is pointer to struct
2017-02-26T18:10:41 < kakimir> and I do not want to initialize a pointer
2017-02-26T18:10:57 < kakimir> count times I said "directly"
2017-02-26T18:11:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okvhh3tf1Lc fresh trance
2017-02-26T18:12:00 < kakimir> uplift trance*
2017-02-26T18:12:41 < kakimir> COMMANDS is a struct fill of CommandType elements
2017-02-26T18:12:47 < kakimir> *filled
2017-02-26T18:12:47 < Steffanx> Time to be more clear kakimir.
2017-02-26T18:12:55 < kakimir> not an array
2017-02-26T18:13:23 < kakimir> I want to pass it as CommandType pointer to be used as an array inside a function without extra line of code
2017-02-26T18:13:47 < kakimir> Commandtype is 32bit variables all the way and will be packed
2017-02-26T18:14:03 < kakimir> I should pack COMMADS too
2017-02-26T18:14:47 < kakimir> but how do I cast it as a pointer?
2017-02-26T18:15:23 < kakimir> (CommandType*)&Commands?
2017-02-26T18:15:41 < kakimir> (CommandType*)&COMMANDS
2017-02-26T18:20:40 < kakimir> it will be passed as a parameter
2017-02-26T18:20:48 < kakimir> array magic happens inside the function
2017-02-26T18:22:02 < jpa-_> Steffanx: it also made it into a garmin watch: http://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/garmin.jpg
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2017-02-26T18:22:19 < Steffanx> Ah, yes. i remember seeing that
2017-02-26T18:22:21 < kakimir> but I can not count x macros compiletime
2017-02-26T18:22:24 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: 
2017-02-26T18:22:31 < kakimir> else it would be perfect
2017-02-26T18:22:44 < jpa-_> Steffanx: maybe one day it will make its way into some of my projects also
2017-02-26T18:22:57 < Steffanx> http://jpa.kapsi.fi/nanopb/ that LeelooMinai
2017-02-26T18:22:58 < kakimir> or can I count X Macro "elements" compiletime?
2017-02-26T18:23:09 < kakimir> lines or whatever
2017-02-26T18:23:30 < Steffanx> Finish your boat jpa-_ :P
2017-02-26T18:23:31 < kakimir> could I use some sort __LINE__ magic..
2017-02-26T18:23:41 < kakimir> and -1 the header
2017-02-26T18:24:05 < kakimir> macros are magic
2017-02-26T18:24:13 < jpa-_> Steffanx: haha, you wish.. i've been waiting for half a week now to have a moment of time to drill 6 holes
2017-02-26T18:24:19 -!- You're now known as jpa-
2017-02-26T18:24:36 < Steffanx> wut. Is junior THAT demanding?
2017-02-26T18:25:11 < jpa-> yes; takes up 1 adult almost 24/7
2017-02-26T18:25:31 < kakimir> if I define #define BEGINXMACRO __LINE__ the problem might be that __LINE__ is not evaluated
2017-02-26T18:25:32 < Steffanx> He made one..
2017-02-26T18:25:43 < LeelooMinai> O, weird, I though everyone here was gay:)
2017-02-26T18:25:45 < jpa-> it's supposed to get better in 20 years or so
2017-02-26T18:25:58 < kakimir> and I will have __LINE__ - (__LINE__+1)
2017-02-26T18:26:04 < kakimir> resultin into -1
2017-02-26T18:26:14 < Steffanx> He wont read what you say anyway, mrs. LeelooMinai
2017-02-26T18:26:25 < Steffanx> Oh he does.
2017-02-26T18:26:30 < Steffanx> Im surprised.
2017-02-26T18:26:32 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Well, you will have __LINE_ - START_LINE _ + 1.
2017-02-26T18:26:38 < jpa-> unignored just for a moment to see what was going on :D
2017-02-26T18:26:56 < Steffanx> hah, i see.
2017-02-26T18:27:04 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: OK, you can ignore me now - joib the dongs mafia back:)
2017-02-26T18:27:08 < kakimir> at least __COUNTER__ was not evaluated in macro define if I remember it correctly
2017-02-26T18:27:10 < LeelooMinai> join*
2017-02-26T18:27:20 < kakimir> but I might just test it out
2017-02-26T18:27:29 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: nah, i'll wait until your next rant about dongs.. wait, it came already
2017-02-26T18:27:40 < Steffanx> but really. Doesnt little jpa sleep?
2017-02-26T18:28:02 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: THose macro will bite your head off one day - you will see.
2017-02-26T18:28:16 < LeelooMinai> You will be a headless kakimir then.
2017-02-26T18:28:39 < jpa-> Steffanx: well, at night; and while we are out walking; and maybe once a day for 1-2 hours semi-alone
2017-02-26T18:28:45 < LeelooMinai> They are cute when small, like tiny shark, but when they grow...
2017-02-26T18:28:56 < englishman> little jpa = jpa--
2017-02-26T18:29:02 < kakimir> no LeelooMinai 
2017-02-26T18:29:03 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: which macros? pb.h stuff?
2017-02-26T18:29:07 < Steffanx> juniorpa.
2017-02-26T18:29:10 < kakimir> macros are most simple
2017-02-26T18:29:24 < kakimir> search and replace mechanism
2017-02-26T18:29:32 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: No, I mean kakimir and his excitement about using C macros for weird things everywhere.
2017-02-26T18:29:32 < jpa-> Steffanx: what are you eating tonight?
2017-02-26T18:29:37 < Steffanx> Chicken.
2017-02-26T18:29:42 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: oh, dunno why you hilighted me though :)
2017-02-26T18:29:43 < Steffanx> And bread.
2017-02-26T18:29:56 < Steffanx> Damn, why this nrf stuff is such PITA.
2017-02-26T18:30:01 < LeelooMinai> A, oops, meant him
2017-02-26T18:30:03 < englishman> ??? its not
2017-02-26T18:30:06 < englishman> nrf is awesum
2017-02-26T18:30:07 < kakimir> jpa-: is __LINE__ evaluated at line of macro define?
2017-02-26T18:30:12 < Steffanx> englishman, but im not using pro tools
2017-02-26T18:30:18 < englishman> yes this is a problem
2017-02-26T18:30:20 < jpa-> kakimir: no, at the point where macro is called
2017-02-26T18:30:32 < englishman> whats the issue pappa steffans
2017-02-26T18:30:32 < Steffanx> im not sure if i have to manually flash the softdevice etc. englishman 
2017-02-26T18:30:40 < jpa-> kakimir: not sure what happens with multiple macros inside eachother
2017-02-26T18:30:42 < englishman> ah, yes you do
2017-02-26T18:30:44 < Steffanx> uploaded some firmware, but instant crash
2017-02-26T18:30:48 < englishman> are you just getting started?
2017-02-26T18:30:51 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-02-26T18:30:58 < LeelooMinai> Someone should take those macros from kakimir - it's like a child plaing with a chainsaw:)
2017-02-26T18:30:59 < englishman> if you're linking to the softdevice, it has to be flashed
2017-02-26T18:31:05 < Steffanx> China board.
2017-02-26T18:31:28 < englishman> if you're just spinning up, and just want to dick with non-bt stuff for the time being, you can skip the softdevice
2017-02-26T18:31:49 < englishman> you can change nrf5x libs depending on which softdevice you're using too
2017-02-26T18:32:10 < Steffanx> This softdevice naming is terrible. S110-130 -_-
2017-02-26T18:32:42 < kakimir> jpa-: is there a way?
2017-02-26T18:32:48 < englishman> well, just flash s130 if using nrf51
2017-02-26T18:32:59 < Steffanx> Can't i make some firmware htat include it all?
2017-02-26T18:33:02 < jpa-> kakimir: why would you want that to happen?
2017-02-26T18:33:39 < englishman> unless you need the extra flash
2017-02-26T18:33:39 < kakimir> to count the elements in Xmacro
2017-02-26T18:34:00 < Steffanx> Not at all englishman. It's going to be a very simple on/off switch
2017-02-26T18:34:06 < Steffanx> + maybe some battery monitoring
2017-02-26T18:34:07 < englishman> you probably could steffan but do you really want to upload the extra, non-changing 256k or whatever every time you flash to check something?
2017-02-26T18:34:24 < jpa-> kakimir: you can count x-macros by doing    #define MY_MACRO_LIST(X)  X(params1) X(params2) X(params3)    #define COUNT_MACRO +1   #define MY_MACRO_LEN (0 MY_MACRO_LIST(COUNT_MACRO))
2017-02-26T18:34:39 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-26T18:34:44 < kakimir> realtime atleast
2017-02-26T18:34:47 < englishman> thats typically why the softdevice is flashed separately to write-protected memory, because it changes very rarely
2017-02-26T18:34:48 < kakimir> *runtime
2017-02-26T18:34:55 < kakimir> count++;
2017-02-26T18:35:00 < kakimir> hey
2017-02-26T18:35:01 < jpa-> kakimir: nah, any sensible compiler will optimize 0+1+1+1+1+1+1 at compile time
2017-02-26T18:35:05 < kakimir> I cand do +1
2017-02-26T18:35:47 < jpa-> why do you need to count it anyway?
2017-02-26T18:35:56 < kakimir> union
2017-02-26T18:35:57 < LeelooMinai> Because no C++:)
2017-02-26T18:36:40 < kakimir> I have not recently used union I need to check it
2017-02-26T18:36:51 < jpa-> kakimir: hm, you are doing something like     union { struct { x_macro_entries }; uint32_t as_array[X_MACRO_COUNT]} ?
2017-02-26T18:37:07 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-26T18:37:19 < kakimir> now I just directy access them
2017-02-26T18:37:21 < jpa-> 0+1+1+1+1+1 should probably work in that context
2017-02-26T18:37:29 < kakimir> it will
2017-02-26T18:38:00 < kakimir> I hated macros until X macro and then I loved macros
2017-02-26T18:40:06 < LeelooMinai> "Memoirs Of a C Addict"
2017-02-26T18:40:07 < jpa-> i'm kind of surprised how well macros have worked in nanopb with arrays like   https://github.com/nanopb/nanopb/blob/master/tests/backwards_compatibility/alltypes_legacy.c#L66   and mapping logic like   https://github.com/nanopb/nanopb/blob/master/pb.h#L381
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2017-02-26T18:42:01 < jpa-> Steffanx: what should i feed junior tonight? millet-oat porridge or barley porridge?
2017-02-26T18:42:31 < LeelooMinai> A tape of 10Ω 0402 at this age imo
2017-02-26T18:43:03 < jpa-> i'm not 100% sure my ebay 0402's are RoHS so no
2017-02-26T18:43:13 < englishman> kalsarikännit
2017-02-26T18:43:54 < kakimir> you would be good sauna mongolian englishman 
2017-02-26T18:43:59 < LeelooMinai> Who feeds babies food from shady sources...
2017-02-26T18:44:03 < englishman> i want a sauna
2017-02-26T18:44:08 < kakimir> you build one
2017-02-26T18:44:10 < englishman> maybe next year
2017-02-26T18:44:11 < englishman> yes
2017-02-26T18:44:19 < kakimir> you need just a room inside any building
2017-02-26T18:44:29 < englishman> wood fired or electric?
2017-02-26T18:44:46 < kakimir> hmm
2017-02-26T18:45:03 < kakimir> you need big stone volume
2017-02-26T18:45:24 < kakimir> that is why most wood heated stoves are better
2017-02-26T18:45:46 < englishman> cheaper too
2017-02-26T18:45:51 < LeelooMinai> Sauna always brings to my minds scenes in movies where mafia mobsters meet for a talk - so everyone is naked and no one can hide guns.
2017-02-26T18:45:59 < englishman> and adding any extra circuits to the house at this point will be big work
2017-02-26T18:48:00 < kakimir> englishman: are you good welder?
2017-02-26T18:48:07 < englishman> decent
2017-02-26T18:48:08 < kakimir> mig or stick
2017-02-26T18:48:21 < englishman> no gas @ the house
2017-02-26T18:48:45 < kakimir> you just need ready made part where the fire is
2017-02-26T18:49:11 < englishman> plenty of those on craigslist
2017-02-26T18:49:28 < englishman> there is even a 'spare' one in the basement but it is too heavy for 4 people to even move it
2017-02-26T18:49:49 < kakimir> very good
2017-02-26T18:50:47 < kakimir> just make a box for stones around it
2017-02-26T18:51:01 < kakimir> route exhaust inside stones a few bends
2017-02-26T18:51:33 < kakimir> or let exhaust directly come thru stones
2017-02-26T18:51:38 < kakimir> "smoke sauna"
2017-02-26T18:51:52 < englishman> really
2017-02-26T18:51:59 < englishman> that sounds unsafe
2017-02-26T18:52:00 < kakimir> real thing
2017-02-26T18:52:02 < kakimir> it is
2017-02-26T18:52:05 < englishman> haha
2017-02-26T18:52:15 < kakimir> usually those have short lifespan
2017-02-26T18:52:32 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_sauna#Smoke_sauna
2017-02-26T18:52:51 < englishman> considered superior by sauna connoisseurs
2017-02-26T18:53:02 < kakimir> it is quite nice
2017-02-26T18:53:38 < kakimir> you heat it too long and walls and roof autoignite
2017-02-26T18:53:52 < LeelooMinai> #5 sign you have too much time/money on your hands - you consider building a sauna in your house :p
2017-02-26T18:54:25 < englishman> sounds fun
2017-02-26T18:54:37 < englishman> will consider it
2017-02-26T18:54:57 < kakimir> also you need to throw some water in before going in to clean the stones from dust
2017-02-26T18:55:31 < kakimir> "häkälöylyt"
2017-02-26T18:55:35 < jpa-> another way is to buy a cheap lot of land in the middle of the forest nowhere but near enough a lake, and build just a sauna there and go spend a whole weekend in that
2017-02-26T18:57:11 < englishman> plenty of spaces like that but an everyday spa would be the goal
2017-02-26T18:57:20 < LeelooMinai> And when you get out your skin surface is twice the area from friday, so you can sell excess on the black market.
2017-02-26T18:59:09 < jpa-> i haven't noticed skin surface expanding in sauna, it is not a bath tub..
2017-02-26T18:59:16 < kakimir> do you want like decorated posh thing or like rough thing?
2017-02-26T19:00:05 < kakimir> in wood sauna there is always the rituals when you are involved in wood heating
2017-02-26T19:00:45 < kakimir> and it takes hours to have it ready
2017-02-26T19:00:53 < kakimir> bigger the stove - the longer
2017-02-26T19:01:05 < LeelooMinai> You can listen to this when doing that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pVxx6WfziU
2017-02-26T19:01:08 < jpa-> 1. bring in the wood 2. try to light it up 3. sacrifice three boxes of matches and finally get it to burn 4. leave for a moment 5. come back to sauna, find it either burned down or not burning
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2017-02-26T19:01:33 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrkisk_peber + vodka
2017-02-26T19:01:46 < kakimir> smoke sauna might even have like small car size stove you start heating in the morning
2017-02-26T19:01:56 < kakimir> or midday
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2017-02-26T19:02:52 < kakimir> but heat wont die out in the evening bathtime
2017-02-26T19:03:22 < kakimir> sometimes even next day it's hot
2017-02-26T19:03:40 < kakimir> or burned to ground
2017-02-26T19:04:04 < englishman> so a detached building is smart
2017-02-26T19:04:30 < kakimir> http://www.kerkes.fi/images/kivet_aitokiuas.jpg wood stove with a hatch
2017-02-26T19:04:47 < kakimir> burns thru stones to chimney
2017-02-26T19:04:53 < kakimir> stones go red hot
2017-02-26T19:05:01 < englishman> perfect
2017-02-26T19:05:06 < kakimir> after heating open the hatch
2017-02-26T19:05:12 < englishman> i can just shovel snow from outdoors
2017-02-26T19:05:14 < englishman> to make steam
2017-02-26T19:05:38 < kakimir> laborous
2017-02-26T19:06:08 < sync_> http://www.students.tut.fi/~kiiskils/stsk/turbo/fkuvat/kiuas/hehku2.jpg
2017-02-26T19:06:18 < sync_> this is how you make a proper finnish sauna stove
2017-02-26T19:06:33 < kakimir> this model is very efficient works in principle of smoke sauna without smoke in the sauna
2017-02-26T19:07:11 < LeelooMinai> Be a man and just adapt a an old steam engine from a train.
2017-02-26T19:07:27 < kakimir> sync_: that looks like on-demand sauna stove
2017-02-26T19:07:53 < sync_> kakimir: it is finnish engineering students messing about
2017-02-26T19:07:56 < kakimir> why store heat in the stones
2017-02-26T19:08:14 < sync_> because turbo!
2017-02-26T19:09:08 < LeelooMinai> Budget sauna: http://www.extremehealthradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/kate-sauna.jpg
2017-02-26T19:09:20 < kakimir> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YVl6mUrZdQg/VG97gVzVUJI/AAAAAAAAIzo/JLwVgZX_5Jk/w1200-h800-no/_MG_6733.JPG view inside aitokiuas brand wood sauna stove after heating englishman 
2017-02-26T19:09:25 < englishman> for even temperature distribution
2017-02-26T19:10:21 < englishman> ##sauna32
2017-02-26T19:10:38 < sync_> stm32 controlled sauna ofc
2017-02-26T19:10:42 < kakimir> water would destroy pressure vessel eventyally if the wasn't stones
2017-02-26T19:10:44 < sync_> so ontopic discussions
2017-02-26T19:10:56 < englishman> stm32 fire alarm
2017-02-26T19:11:19 < kakimir> like it destroys heaters in electric stove if you don't have stones covering them
2017-02-26T19:12:14 < kakimir> stones need to be right type to not result in having pile of gravel inside stove after 2 years
2017-02-26T19:14:41 < englishman> good rocks here
2017-02-26T19:14:42 < englishman> old rocks
2017-02-26T19:15:11 < kakimir> friend said ballast stone he took/stole from railway track are concidered good sauna stones
2017-02-26T19:15:23 < kakimir> granite most likelly
2017-02-26T19:15:54 < englishman> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-foyer-bois-de-chauffage/ville-de-quebec/poele-a-bois-cheminee-isolee/1242306977
2017-02-26T19:15:57 < englishman> $150
2017-02-26T19:16:01 < englishman> then place stones all around
2017-02-26T19:16:02 < englishman> ?
2017-02-26T19:16:39 < englishman> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-foyer-bois-de-chauffage/saint-jean-sur-richelieu/poeles-a-bois-pour-cabane-truie/1242302528
2017-02-26T19:16:40 < englishman> $75
2017-02-26T19:17:36 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-26T19:18:35 < kakimir> just have enought sidewall thickness
2017-02-26T19:18:59 < kakimir> and cut those feet short
2017-02-26T19:20:35 < kakimir> google image search "how to build sauna stove"
2017-02-26T19:22:16 < englishman> youre invited to sauna once its built
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2017-02-26T19:22:45 < kakimir> very nice
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2017-02-26T19:23:40 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Never accept a sauna invitation from this channel...
2017-02-26T19:25:38 < kakimir> will see
2017-02-26T19:25:53 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Just remember I warned you:)
2017-02-26T19:26:01 < englishman> you can play with lildongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGUPp5qszJM
2017-02-26T19:26:16 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: You see what I mean:p
2017-02-26T19:27:34 < LeelooMinai> Unless you don't mind discovering that "lildongs" is not really a cat I guess.
2017-02-26T19:28:07 < kakimir> :)
2017-02-26T19:29:14 < kakimir> just to visit sauna opening a flight across atlantic is quite long
2017-02-26T19:29:30 < kakimir> but sure I want to visit canada
2017-02-26T19:30:07 < LeelooMinai> Right, jsut make sure you don't go south too much and it willbe nice.
2017-02-26T19:32:00 < kakimir> are you canadistain citizen LeelooMinai ?
2017-02-26T19:32:28 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Yes, I have dual citizenship - Polish/Canadian.
2017-02-26T19:32:53 < kakimir> where do you reside?
2017-02-26T19:33:14 < LeelooMinai> Kitchener - it's about 100km from Toronto, so Ontario.
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2017-02-26T19:35:04 < LeelooMinai> I guess in the case of WWWIII, I have low chance of surviving.... Pretty sure Toronto will evaporate, and maybe they will even spare one warhead for a 300k people city like Kitchene/Waterloo
2017-02-26T19:36:18 < LeelooMinai> Unless it will be even one of those Russian "Satan 2" ICBMs that supposedly can wipe out an area of the size of France/Texas:)
2017-02-26T19:36:39 < LeelooMinai> Then they can just use one for the whole Ontario.
2017-02-26T19:36:55 < kakimir> why would they bother for canada?
2017-02-26T19:37:25 < LeelooMinai> It was always seen as ally of US, so pretty sure they would nto spare it.
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2017-02-26T19:40:09 < sync_> LeelooMinai: do you mean the R36M?
2017-02-26T19:40:45 < sync_> ah by bad it obviously is the rs28
2017-02-26T19:40:47 < LeelooMinai> I just remember some article, so if it's called remotely like "Satan 2", probably yes:)
2017-02-26T19:42:28 < LeelooMinai> sync_: It seems to be new replacement for those rs036M
2017-02-26T19:42:47 < sync_> yes
2017-02-26T19:43:15 < LeelooMinai> Nice name though, "Satan 2", lol
2017-02-26T19:52:45 < corecode> oh fun, a heisenbug
2017-02-26T19:57:56 < dongs> yes fucking adc finally works
2017-02-26T19:58:04 < Tectu> dongs
2017-02-26T19:58:06 < Tectu> I am happy for you
2017-02-26T19:58:14 < dongs> who would have thought that R + C to ground turns AC signal into trash
2017-02-26T19:58:15 < Tectu> I always knew you could do it
2017-02-26T19:58:39 < dongs> also: that fucking ST tuner inverts I?Q
2017-02-26T19:58:42 < dongs> from what the shit expected
2017-02-26T19:58:57 < corecode> so, doesn't happen when single stepping
2017-02-26T19:58:59 < corecode> great
2017-02-26T19:59:10 < dongs> is your compiler gcc
2017-02-26T20:00:27 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if dongs will make up some stuff abotu Keil being superior now.
2017-02-26T20:00:41 < corecode> maybe this is a gd32 silicon bug
2017-02-26T20:00:42 < corecode> who knows
2017-02-26T20:02:26 < corecode> it feels like some register caching problem
2017-02-26T20:02:50 < corecode> because when i wrote the same value to the register that it already had, it started
2017-02-26T20:03:05 < corecode> so some clock sync issue?
2017-02-26T20:07:00 < LeelooMinai> corecode: Did you verify all the requirements, like (for my micro): "Software is allowed to set ADSTART only when ADEN=1 and ADDIS=0 (ADC is enabled and there is no pending request to disable the ADC)", etc.?
2017-02-26T20:07:21 < Steffanx> Trolltu.
2017-02-26T20:07:47 < corecode> LeelooMinai: maybe?  i'm reading the chapter and can't find anything like that
2017-02-26T20:08:00 < corecode> actually it looks like the conversion starts and finishes
2017-02-26T20:08:09 < corecode> and it doesn't clear the bit
2017-02-26T20:08:10 < LeelooMinai> corecode: The Chinese docs? :)
2017-02-26T20:08:15 < corecode> both stm32 and chinese
2017-02-26T20:08:33 < Steffanx> Im still curious corecode.. why gd32?
2017-02-26T20:08:41 < corecode> Steffanx: cheaper
2017-02-26T20:08:43 < Steffanx> (please dont answer "why not" ;) )
2017-02-26T20:08:47 < corecode> mass product
2017-02-26T20:09:18 < LeelooMinai> corecode: Right, well, that what I told you once already: you will never have certainty if you are dealing with a bug, differences, etc. 
2017-02-26T20:09:48 < corecode> yes
2017-02-26T20:11:06 < dongs> cheaper by how much
2017-02-26T20:11:20 < dongs> I looked at GD32F103 vs STM32F103 and it was nearly not worth it
2017-02-26T20:11:28 < dongs> even in like 10K+ qtys
2017-02-26T20:11:53 < LeelooMinai> 10 cents gain per IC and $10k loss in development money:)
2017-02-26T20:12:03 < corecode> yes
2017-02-26T20:12:11 < corecode> break even in a quarter
2017-02-26T20:12:27 < dongs> if youre not breaking even with 1st unit sold youre doing it wrong
2017-02-26T20:12:33 < dongs> back to the dickstarter drawing board ,bro
2017-02-26T20:19:48 < corecode> Steffanx: good enough answer?
2017-02-26T20:20:01 < Steffanx> I can live with this one, yes :)
2017-02-26T20:20:06 < corecode> (:
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2017-02-26T20:20:12 < corecode> it's a nice chip tho
2017-02-26T20:20:20 < corecode> small
2017-02-26T20:21:45 < LeelooMinai> sync_: You are familiar with touch probes, the ones with the patented 3-pins + 6 ball system?
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2017-02-26T20:32:55 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b76_1488124380
2017-02-26T20:32:58 < Laurenceb> damn a hero 4
2017-02-26T20:33:05 < Laurenceb>  (NSFL)
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2017-02-26T20:34:05 < sync_> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/omp40_tt160.jpg those LeelooMinai?
2017-02-26T20:34:48 < kakimir> hmm I should probably use stringwsizetype for command name and description strings so I do not need to count those runtime
2017-02-26T20:35:21 < kakimir> if small buffer is used it needs to split
2017-02-26T20:35:37 < LeelooMinai> Right, yes. So, I am building something close to that and I just (finally) got some parts from China I ordered long time ago. Namely, I have this acrylic tube and I just measured inside diameter to be 39mm - you think this is reasonable room for this kind of probe inside?
2017-02-26T20:36:29 < sync_> yes
2017-02-26T20:36:34 < sync_> but acrylic is not a good material
2017-02-26T20:37:16 < LeelooMinai> sync_: It's only for the ouside tube - I want to see insides, led, etc. Also, it's pretty thick - seems lik 6mm or so.
2017-02-26T20:37:19 < kakimir> if I set structure as const does it imply that structure elements are also const?
2017-02-26T20:37:22 < sync_> dimensional stability is not great
2017-02-26T20:37:42 < sync_> well, depending on how you make it the outer tube has to carry all the load
2017-02-26T20:37:43 < kakimir> to say element like char*
2017-02-26T20:37:49 < sync_> otherwise you cannot probe in Z
2017-02-26T20:38:45 < LeelooMinai> sync_: Right, I will take it into consideration, but, then, I am not sure if you are talking some stability for NASA space station that I will not need or what:)
2017-02-26T20:39:09 < LeelooMinai> Because when I hold this tube I have a notion that I could ran a tank over it and it would not deform.
2017-02-26T20:39:16 < sync_> well, what good is a probe when you cannot trust it
2017-02-26T20:39:19 < LeelooMinai> Unless you mean some temperature, etc.
2017-02-26T20:39:24 < sync_> it will just shatter
2017-02-26T20:39:43 < sync_> temperature is a problem but also plastics like to flow under compression
2017-02-26T20:39:56 < LeelooMinai> I did not mean to run a tank over it - it was just an expression:)
2017-02-26T20:40:15 < kakimir> is there a way to count string length runtime?
2017-02-26T20:40:22 < sync_> yes, but it is not as strong as you think it is
2017-02-26T20:40:25 < LeelooMinai> Er, but what compressiong - it's a touch probe - there will be no forces on it.
2017-02-26T20:40:25 < kakimir> no wai
2017-02-26T20:40:28 < kakimir> compiletime
2017-02-26T20:40:57 < LeelooMinai> Well, no significant forces.
2017-02-26T20:41:11 < sync_> you still have to hold it together someway
2017-02-26T20:41:20 < sync_> and there is a spring inside
2017-02-26T20:42:22 < LeelooMinai> Sure, but a tube like this with 6mm walls... I am not going to put it under a hydraulic press.
2017-02-26T20:42:51 < Steffanx> ok got it to work englishman. Forgot I have a mcu with less ram P:
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2017-02-26T20:43:10 < kakimir> sizeof really works compiletime?
2017-02-26T20:43:27 < sync_> you are free to do whatever you want, I'm just warning you, pmma is not the right choice to build a probe out of
2017-02-26T20:44:55 < sync_> I would probably make the body out of aluminium and then screw an aluminium pcb carrier on the bottom of that
2017-02-26T20:45:00 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I need to look at some compressive modulus numbers.
2017-02-26T20:45:01 < sync_> so that the stylus pokes through
2017-02-26T20:45:43 < sync_> by all means use pmma, but just be aware that your probe might not be reliable
2017-02-26T20:49:03 < sync_> if your probe is 30mm long and you have a temp gradient of 20°K it will grow by 5/100mm
2017-02-26T20:49:48 < sync_> al will be 4 times better, steel 8 times
2017-02-26T20:50:20 < LeelooMinai> Right, but cano you imagin a scenario like that... I mean it's a probe - there wll be no temperature gradients.
2017-02-26T20:50:41 < sync_> so your room is always 100% thermally stable?
2017-02-26T20:50:50 < sync_> from when you make the probe to when you use it?
2017-02-26T20:51:00 < LeelooMinai> Over 3m, I would say yes...
2017-02-26T20:51:04 < LeelooMinai> 3cm*
2017-02-26T20:51:22 < sync_> it is not the thermal gradient in the probe that I'm referring to
2017-02-26T20:51:49 < sync_> the probe will give you absolute coordinates after you calibrated it
2017-02-26T20:52:00 < sync_> and if suddenly the length changes due to temperature
2017-02-26T20:52:04 < sync_> you will get different results
2017-02-26T20:53:00 < LeelooMinai> Depends on the construction.I can only fix the tube to the top and use it as a "shield" of sorts with bottom not having anything attached to it.
2017-02-26T20:53:16 < sync_> yes, using the tube is fine
2017-02-26T20:53:20 < sync_> just not for anything structural
2017-02-26T20:53:57 < LeelooMinai> Right, since I plan to use PCB for the ball bed, I can mount it using some kind of standoffs to the top of the probe.
2017-02-26T20:54:39 < LeelooMinai> Metal ones, that is. I will still see everything inside rather well.
2017-02-26T20:55:38 < LeelooMinai> Though in that case I think the thickness of this tube is a bit overkill, but oh well, that's what I have.
2017-02-26T20:55:51 < sync_> I would glue the pcb to a plate and screw that into a ring in the body
2017-02-26T20:55:58 < sync_> that would give you maximum rigidity
2017-02-26T20:56:30 < kakimir> can I use sizeof in the initialization of global variable and will it result in no error every time no matter what the compiler options are?
2017-02-26T20:56:47 < LeelooMinai> sync_: But that would preclude transparent body.
2017-02-26T20:57:09 < sync_> well, you can look at the ring through the pmma
2017-02-26T20:57:22 < kakimir> and can function call even be used in initialization of a global variable?
2017-02-26T20:57:30 < sync_> or you drill some holes in the ring
2017-02-26T20:57:34 < LeelooMinai> You mean the ring would have standoffs?
2017-02-26T20:57:39 < sync_> no
2017-02-26T20:57:42 < sync_> the ring is the standoff
2017-02-26T20:58:06 < LeelooMinai> So a tube?
2017-02-26T20:58:22 < sync_> I'd make it out of a solid piece
2017-02-26T20:58:24 < LeelooMinai> Tube within a tube...
2017-02-26T20:59:03 < LeelooMinai> sync_: Right, If I had machinery to do that, I would not need my CNC:)
2017-02-26T20:59:13 < LeelooMinai> And first I have to equip my CNC.
2017-02-26T20:59:29 < sync_> you can just do it on your mill
2017-02-26T20:59:37 < LeelooMinai> My what?
2017-02-26T20:59:48 < LeelooMinai> I don't have a mill... 
2017-02-26T20:59:55 < sync_> you have a cnc mill
2017-02-26T21:00:38 < LeelooMinai> Right, but I am at a stage of equiping it with things like the probe, so I can start experimenting.
2017-02-26T21:00:54 < LeelooMinai> Kind of chicken/egg problem.
2017-02-26T21:00:59 < sync_> sure, but why not use it to make the probe?
2017-02-26T21:01:06 < sync_> you don't really need a probe tho
2017-02-26T21:01:34 < sync_> mine just collects dust currently
2017-02-26T21:01:37 < LeelooMinai> Well, I wanted use probe to check some things - like probe the bed, etc.
2017-02-26T21:03:20 < sync_> just use an indicator
2017-02-26T21:03:25 < sync_> but probing the bed doesn't tell you a lot
2017-02-26T21:03:34 < LeelooMinai> I also thought I could make as a start some engraving for my sister, since she is into woodowrking and artsy-kind-off stuff, and I thought that having a probe  to first probe a flat surface would be good for that.
2017-02-26T21:04:02 < LeelooMinai> So then there's correction for it when running the job, etc.
2017-02-26T21:05:07 < LeelooMinai> sync_: Well, it should tell me something. I have small surface plate - I was thinking of putting it on the bed and run a probe check and see if I get something remotely perpendicular to my z-axis.
2017-02-26T21:05:42 < sync_> you cannot test for that in that way
2017-02-26T21:06:53 < sync_> you need an indicator and a square
2017-02-26T21:06:55 < LeelooMinai> Isn't that how they make sure the z-axis is square though? With indicator attached to the axis and rotating it and seeing if it tracks the surface plate?
2017-02-26T21:07:11 < sync_> you just do it on the bed
2017-02-26T21:07:43 < sync_> but that just gives you the spindle turning in a plane with the table
2017-02-26T21:07:47 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, no, I mean I did that already, but I would like to see a nice dense grid of probing points.
2017-02-26T21:08:06 < sync_> your Z axis still can move in a non purpendicular trajectory
2017-02-26T21:08:14 < sync_> your grid will tell you nothing about that
2017-02-26T21:08:53 < sync_> you will just measure the plane the surface plate has relative to the trajectory of your machine and your table
2017-02-26T21:09:00 < LeelooMinai> Well, I could make few measurnments with the plate at different z-positions.
2017-02-26T21:09:01 < sync_> the bottom is not a precision surface
2017-02-26T21:09:40 < sync_> that will just tell you how long your styli are
2017-02-26T21:10:19 < LeelooMinai> I know it is not. But anyways, if I put something flat to deal with, I don't know, pcb, wooden plan, metal plate, etc. and probe it in a grid, then that can be used for z-adjustment.
2017-02-26T21:10:39 < LeelooMinai> Since not all materials will be perfectly flat.
2017-02-26T21:10:53 < LeelooMinai> And for that I need a probe.
2017-02-26T21:12:37 < LeelooMinai> Er, and I forgot to eat. Autism!
2017-02-26T21:15:21 < corecode> my exact thoughts
2017-02-26T21:35:22 < Steffanx> We all have that condition. 
2017-02-26T21:47:35 < upgrdman> anyone know what the dupont crimp contacts are a clone of? i mean, dupont i guess, but what series or part number?   http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000pcs-2-54mm-Dupont-Jumper-Wire-Cable-Housing-Male-Connector-Terminal-Crimps-/400985413628?hash=item5d5c97d7fc:g:LXoAAOSwq5lTloyC
2017-02-26T21:48:05 < upgrdman> i want those but gold plated. and legit, not some 1 picometer thick yellow food coloring applied.
2017-02-26T21:48:22 < kakimir> should I always use newline and linefeed both in uart communications?
2017-02-26T21:49:49 < kakimir> interesting dupont connectors
2017-02-26T21:50:08 < kakimir> but is there housing available?
2017-02-26T21:50:26 < upgrdman> yes i have those
2017-02-26T21:50:30 < upgrdman> and theyre cheap and fine
2017-02-26T21:50:33 < jadew> kakimir, depends on how smart your thingie is
2017-02-26T21:50:36 < upgrdman> but i want contact that'll last
2017-02-26T21:51:00 < jadew> at the end of the line for example you don't need them
2017-02-26T21:51:07 < kakimir> I think I order those just for the hell of it
2017-02-26T21:51:14 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: I have an aidea
2017-02-26T21:51:20 < kakimir> if I just found also the housing
2017-02-26T21:51:26 < kakimir> and 100pcs
2017-02-26T21:52:11 < englishman> Steffanx: did tectu fix his problem
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2017-02-26T21:52:20 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: On your autistic youtube channel make a video about electroplating and also plate those cheap ones with silver or something - two birds with one stone:)
2017-02-26T21:52:44 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, that's dumb. silver tarnishes easily
2017-02-26T21:53:05 < LeelooMinai> Then "something".
2017-02-26T21:53:32 < kakimir> what kind of housing these use upgrdman ?
2017-02-26T21:53:57 < upgrdman> kakimir, "dupont". jsut search ebay for dupont wire
2017-02-26T21:54:05 < upgrdman> china clones the fuck out of them
2017-02-26T21:54:06 < kakimir> but these are male
2017-02-26T21:54:10 < kakimir> usually female
2017-02-26T21:54:15 < kakimir> to wire
2017-02-26T21:54:18 < upgrdman> oh
2017-02-26T21:54:19 < upgrdman> uh
2017-02-26T21:54:29 < upgrdman> fuck if i know. i just use those to make jumper wires for breadboards
2017-02-26T21:54:31 < kakimir> do I just remove pins from pinstrip?
2017-02-26T21:54:44 < kakimir> then insert these?
2017-02-26T21:55:01 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Go with gold then:)
2017-02-26T21:55:44 < LeelooMinai> I have already a humourous ending to your video - have your gf enter the scene asking "did you see my engagement ring"?
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2017-02-26T22:00:51 < Steffanx> What problem englishman?
2017-02-26T22:02:37 < upgrdman> oh here we go. looks like those dupont shits and clones of Amphenol Mini-PV  http://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/mini-pv-basics/7725
2017-02-26T22:02:43 < upgrdman> s/and/are
2017-02-26T22:17:44 < kakimir> sometimes I wonder if that 0.9eur I wasted in ebay would have been the difference to change my life completelly
2017-02-26T22:18:05 < kakimir> but sometimes I just throw hundreds at things
2017-02-26T22:19:18 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I would instead wonder if you talking on IRC that much will change your life completely:p
2017-02-26T22:19:52 < Steffanx> Maybe you two should meet and change each others lifes.
2017-02-26T22:20:34 < kakimir> that is the case LeelooMinai 
2017-02-26T22:20:38 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: Like dongs changed yours?
2017-02-26T22:20:46 < Steffanx> We never met.
2017-02-26T22:20:59 < LeelooMinai> O, that was zyp, right - potato tomato.
2017-02-26T22:21:27 < zyp> Steffanx, yet
2017-02-26T22:21:38 < Steffanx> Yet indeed.
2017-02-26T22:21:49 < Steffanx> Is dongs going to dutchland?
2017-02-26T22:22:34 < zyp> heh
2017-02-26T22:23:24 < LeelooMinai> To open a Church of Dongs
2017-02-26T22:23:34 < Fleck> ;D
2017-02-26T22:23:39 < zyp> Steffanx, I didn't process correctly, I thought about us meeting
2017-02-26T22:23:52 < Steffanx> Ach so.
2017-02-26T22:24:00 < LeelooMinai> us or US
2017-02-26T22:25:47 < zyp> nobody cares about US
2017-02-26T22:26:14 < LeelooMinai> I wish that was true:)
2017-02-26T22:33:57 < kakimir> 2 new commands
2017-02-26T22:34:08 < kakimir> CMD_VERSION and CMD_HARDWARE_VERSION
2017-02-26T22:34:22 < kakimir> it will output cool hardware version strings!
2017-02-26T22:35:03 < LeelooMinai> So they will change when it gets hotter?
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2017-02-26T22:47:45 < kakimir> newline before linefeed or another way?
2017-02-26T22:48:09 < kakimir> *carriage return
2017-02-26T22:48:16 < LeelooMinai> \n is always at the end
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2017-02-26T22:51:18 < kakimir> okay CR+LF
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2017-02-26T22:58:24 < kakimir> is there any good virus scanners for linux?
2017-02-26T22:58:27 < kakimir> like free
2017-02-26T22:58:46 < kakimir> that would scan for windows and linux viruses
2017-02-26T22:59:03 < Steffanx> avast maybe
2017-02-26T22:59:05 < ohsix> buh bill paxton died
2017-02-26T22:59:30 < LeelooMinai> ohsix, the obituary reporter
2017-02-26T22:59:47 < Steffanx> So many people died today ohsix.
2017-02-26T23:00:22 < ohsix> all deaths matter
2017-02-26T23:00:24 < LeelooMinai> ohsix may have a list of them all
2017-02-26T23:01:03 < kakimir> avast really?
2017-02-26T23:01:19 < kakimir> I prefer avast on windows though
2017-02-26T23:01:34 < ohsix> why are you looking for snake oil bruh
2017-02-26T23:01:45 < Steffanx> i run avast on os x .. not sure if it works. It never started to cry about virusses yet
2017-02-26T23:02:06 < LeelooMinai> Those virus scanners just eat resources.
2017-02-26T23:02:12 < aandrew> zyp: I too have some zwave shit on my plate
2017-02-26T23:02:33 < upgrdman> uhh, abraham lincoln, uh...  https://i.redd.it/hv40wnkhh9iy.jpg
2017-02-26T23:03:03 < aandrew> Thorn: I've completely moved away from insulated wire for mods. I now use 30AWG bare wire and nylon tubing
2017-02-26T23:03:10 < aandrew> er not nylon, teflon
2017-02-26T23:03:20 < Steffanx> Whats the plan with zwave aandrew?
2017-02-26T23:03:34 < sync_> etfe wire works well iirc
2017-02-26T23:03:40 < aandrew> some people use magnet wire but I've never had good luck burning the enamel away
2017-02-26T23:03:40 < Steffanx> Not sure how to interpret that. You have to make some hardware or ..?
2017-02-26T23:04:31 < ohsix> aandrew: is the tubing cheap or something
2017-02-26T23:04:42 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: What about him?
2017-02-26T23:04:53 < Laurenceb> https://www.aids.gov
2017-02-26T23:04:59 < Laurenceb>        .gov
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2017-02-26T23:05:56 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Did he die today too? :p
2017-02-26T23:06:39 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, the way he's holding those naked kids
2017-02-26T23:06:45 < upgrdman> or touching them at all
2017-02-26T23:06:48 < upgrdman> like lolwut
2017-02-26T23:06:55 < upgrdman> who the fuck makes a statue like that
2017-02-26T23:07:24 < LeelooMinai> It was made long time ago...
2017-02-26T23:07:26 < Steffanx> Prude american :P
2017-02-26T23:07:29 < kakimir> nipple
2017-02-26T23:07:34 < Steffanx> And then zyp says im prude :P
2017-02-26T23:07:39 < kakimir> thumbs up
2017-02-26T23:09:17 < LeelooMinai> You could interpret it as "Even if you are a prostitute and a child without clothes, he still cares about you" :)
2017-02-26T23:09:31 < kakimir> interesting
2017-02-26T23:09:55 < upgrdman> Steffanx, i like me some naken women. but wtf when its an adult touching someone's naked kids. wtf bro
2017-02-26T23:10:34 < LeelooMinai> What do you mean touching.... He just has a hand on the hair - that's not that weird.
2017-02-26T23:10:37 < upgrdman> also, abe looks to be positioning her face at dick height
2017-02-26T23:11:05 < upgrdman> START SUCKING
2017-02-26T23:11:11 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-26T23:11:12 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: I think everyone will read from that statue what's on that person't mind - that's pretty clear.
2017-02-26T23:11:57 < kakimir> he's the man
2017-02-26T23:12:05 < LeelooMinai> Like a super ners would start asking why is it green. Was it made of copper? Then check the copper density and calculate how heavy that statue is.
2017-02-26T23:12:09 < LeelooMinai> nerd*
2017-02-26T23:12:13 < aandrew> those big cannons in that liveleak all look like they take a big shit after they fire
2017-02-26T23:15:54 < upgrdman> aandrew, so you're manually adding the teflon tubing?
2017-02-26T23:15:56 < aandrew> ohsix: well I bought 1 spool of tubing and 1 spool of wire and that was... 8 years ago? still have lots of both
2017-02-26T23:16:03 < upgrdman> why not just use Kynar wire. it's ready made.
2017-02-26T23:16:12 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-26T23:16:38 < aandrew> upgrdman: yes.  tack down location 1. figure the route and determine length on board. use blade to cut wire. slide tubing over wire, use blade to cut it just a little shorter than the wire, solder
2017-02-26T23:16:42 < aandrew> it's REALLY fast
2017-02-26T23:16:53 < aandrew> and the tubing won't melt/shrink/etc 
2017-02-26T23:17:30 < upgrdman> aandrew, that's what i do with kynar wire.
2017-02-26T23:17:34 < upgrdman> solder one end
2017-02-26T23:17:44 < upgrdman> determine length, cut/strip, solder. done
2017-02-26T23:17:48 < upgrdman> like 5 seconds max
2017-02-26T23:17:48 < aandrew> Steffanx: the security system is all zwave shit. I got the installer code and will add my won sensors/etc.
2017-02-26T23:18:11 < aandrew> upgrdman: yeah, I used to use insulated 30AWG but stripping the wire was always problematic
2017-02-26T23:18:18 < upgrdman> hmm ok
2017-02-26T23:18:26 < upgrdman> i've had good luck with some chepa hakko strippers
2017-02-26T23:18:37 < upgrdman> but whatever works for you
2017-02-26T23:18:51 < aandrew> ahh yeah kynar is the same thing I have for 30AWG insulated
2017-02-26T23:19:29 < aandrew> at NDI they have this nice "dual blades facing each other with a screw pulling them together" gadget that works really well
2017-02-26T23:25:29 < kakimir> I wonder why I'm using uart receive buffer size when I strncat my strings to transmissionbuffer string that is made to be length of recvbuf too
2017-02-26T23:25:52 < kakimir> if there was some real physical reason or just because it was sensible thing to do both symmetrically
2017-02-26T23:26:39 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: When you ask others about the reasons you have, it may be a sign that you are suffering from schizophrenia:)
2017-02-26T23:30:23 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/A0gMlgo.jpg that's what the stripper looksl ike
2017-02-26T23:31:39 < LeelooMinai> o_O https://www.aliexpress.com/item/110V-220V-Enameled-Wire-Stripping-Machine-Varnished-Wire-Stripper-Enameled-Copper-Wire-Stripper-DF-6/32612066167.html
2017-02-26T23:33:32 < LeelooMinai> Magic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wo9g2dx34o
2017-02-26T23:33:51 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: this is what I was going to get for that purpose (stripping magnet wire): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-High-Quality-150W-Temperature-Controlled-Soldering-Pot-Melting-Tin-Pot-Tin-Cans-With-EU/32703999706.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10000073_10065_10068_10000074_10000132_10000033_10000030_119_10000167_10000026_10000175_10000126_10000129_10000023_10000123_432_10000069_10000068_10060_10062_10000060_10056_10055_
2017-02-26T23:33:58 < aandrew> god damn aliexpress links
2017-02-26T23:34:04 < sync_> haha neat
2017-02-26T23:34:12 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Dongs mafia!
2017-02-26T23:34:21 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-High-Quality-150W-Temperature-Controlled-Soldering-Pot-Melting-Tin-Pot-Tin-Cans-With-EU/32703999706.html
2017-02-26T23:34:24 < aandrew> that's better
2017-02-26T23:35:38 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if that Chinese contraption also works on super-thin enamel wires, like 0.1mm
2017-02-26T23:35:46 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: as I said, feel free to /ignore. If your intention is to shout the equivalent of "FAKE NEWS" at anyone who converses with others you don't get along with though... I'm not sure what your motive or reasoning is
2017-02-26T23:36:15 < kakimir> how does it work?
2017-02-26T23:36:19 < kakimir> and is there cheaper ones?
2017-02-26T23:36:22 < LeelooMinai> The plan is to drain the swamp.
2017-02-26T23:36:37 < sync_> you are probably just going to add water
2017-02-26T23:36:45 < LeelooMinai> Seems it rotated those sharp blades there and , well... strips them.
2017-02-26T23:36:50 < kakimir> and is there videos of operation?
2017-02-26T23:37:21 < LeelooMinai> But with thin wires, I don't know... my first thought would be that it will cut the wire instead...
2017-02-26T23:37:24 < aandrew> how do you propose that calling me "dongs mafia" will achieve that? I'm not aware of a single instance where I've said anything untoward of you
2017-02-26T23:37:47 < aandrew> that rotary stripper looks pretty crazy
2017-02-26T23:38:14 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: It's a no-compromise policy - same dongs uses. So, you are his friend and that's enough.
2017-02-26T23:39:08 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/sexyfacts4u/status/835935647001100292
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2017-02-26T23:39:48 < LeelooMinai> Typical ohsix
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2017-02-26T23:40:30 < LeelooMinai> It's like Laurenceb meme universe, only parallel.
2017-02-26T23:40:36 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: ok. seems you're applying this misguided reasoning rather arbitrarily, or is that part of the plan?
2017-02-26T23:40:39 < aandrew> crt: the solution to what?
2017-02-26T23:41:09 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: There's nothing arbitrary about what I wrote. It's the oposite - it's pretty clean cut I would say.
2017-02-26T23:41:45 < ohsix> if you put it like that, it seems to make a lot of sense
2017-02-26T23:41:58 < ohsix> even without a person that calls themself 'dongs'
2017-02-26T23:42:03 < ohsix> dong rage
2017-02-26T23:42:06 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: actually it seems quite arbitrary. everyone here talks to dongs
2017-02-26T23:42:46 < aandrew> if you were applying your logic uniformly I don't think you'd speak to anyone, or at least only speak to them in various forms of "dongs mafia" pronouncements
2017-02-26T23:43:03 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/Hhd5c
2017-02-26T23:43:08 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: I wouldn't say everyone.
2017-02-26T23:43:34 < aandrew> branjb: hahahaha
2017-02-26T23:43:35 < ohsix> it's not a conspiracy if everyone really is out to get you
2017-02-26T23:44:15 < ohsix> branjb: wut, someone printed out some 9gag watermarked stuff then took a picture of it/
2017-02-26T23:44:45 < Laurenceb> 9gag did 9/11
2017-02-26T23:44:48 < aandrew> ohsix: that way they can claim OC
2017-02-26T23:44:52 < LeelooMinai> I was more expectinge "I know my student's, they would not even be able to build anything resembling an airplane"
2017-02-26T23:45:28 < branjb> bunch of critics
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2017-02-26T23:46:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wo9g2dx34o
2017-02-26T23:46:13 < ohsix> branjb: it's also an overdeveloped joke, there's a good one in there somewhere
2017-02-26T23:46:20 < kakimir> the define
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2017-02-26T23:46:54 < ohsix> the ee's/me' teachers/students i've met wouldn't panic or do anything, a jet is a very sophisticated thing. that's another problem with the joke
2017-02-26T23:47:26 < branjb> the other problem with the joke is that some engineers have 0 sense of humour
2017-02-26T23:47:26 < ohsix> you don't need to even be a student to 'build' one, if you have the parts you can put it together, and the documentation and checklist stuff is required by law and very good
2017-02-26T23:47:42 < ohsix> if you had to design one, that's also not too much of a stretch, but it would take years and wouldn't serve the joke
2017-02-26T23:48:21 < ohsix> and just by getting on the thing, they've already tested the basic integrity of it
2017-02-26T23:48:33 < ohsix> it's a tryhard engineering joke
2017-02-26T23:49:06 < ohsix> if the airframe cans upport the seats and the people boarding, it's not likely they fucked up the wings or contro lsurfaces
2017-02-26T23:49:20  * LeelooMinai imagines someone at a party stangling ohsix
2017-02-26T23:49:28 < kakimir> I need to create X macro that results into the longests string in X macro
2017-02-26T23:50:10 < aandrew> ohsix: having worked in avionics, I find your faith in process distrubing
2017-02-26T23:50:12 < kakimir> to adequately size buffers
2017-02-26T23:50:15 < sync_> haha
2017-02-26T23:50:17 < sync_> yeah
2017-02-26T23:50:17 < aandrew> disturbing even
2017-02-26T23:50:29 < sync_> I like how bugs are fixed in avionics
2017-02-26T23:50:35 < sync_> just write it in the manual
2017-02-26T23:50:47 < branjb> TCTO
2017-02-26T23:50:49 < sync_> "yeah shit can happen if 1. 2. 3. don't do that plzkthx"
2017-02-26T23:51:07 < branjb> TCCO
2017-02-26T23:51:16 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: And tomorrow you will ask how to do sorting within x macro
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2017-02-26T23:51:43 < LeelooMinai> Or write an IRC client using only x macros
2017-02-26T23:51:53 < kakimir> noo :D
2017-02-26T23:52:05 < kakimir> but hey give it a thought
2017-02-26T23:52:47 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Maybe learn Tcl instead - there you can do anything justr by gluing together strings...
2017-02-26T23:53:16 < kakimir> no thanks
2017-02-26T23:53:37 < LeelooMinai> String Gluer Extraordinaire
2017-02-26T23:54:22 < kakimir> i just need a way to find the biggest value not using variables
2017-02-26T23:55:19 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Your only chance is doing some functional-style recursion.
2017-02-26T23:55:57 < LeelooMinai> But you are already on "going full retard" path imo.
2017-02-26T23:56:11 < aandrew> kakimir: sounds heinous
2017-02-26T23:56:25 < aandrew> hold up, let me show you some ugly C macro abuse
2017-02-26T23:56:39 < LeelooMinai> Ther are also variadic macros btw...
2017-02-26T23:56:42 < aandrew> https://www.mixdown.ca/redmine/projects/mixdown/wiki/Macro_Abuse_in_C
2017-02-26T23:56:47 < kakimir> I think I have reached the limit
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2017-02-26T23:56:52 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: ^^ that is using variadic macros
2017-02-26T23:57:23 < LeelooMinai> Dongs Mafia
2017-02-26T23:57:56 < kakimir> when google search best result is "how to find the largest number in three with macro"
2017-02-26T23:58:28 < LeelooMinai> With constant number of args it's trivial...
2017-02-26T23:59:08 < Laurenceb> Leeloo and dongs spotted http://carolynyeager.net/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/David%20Jones%20and%20Clair%20Khaw.jpg?itok=puQhPwmn
2017-02-26T23:59:08 < kakimir> yes
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2017-02-27T00:00:29 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb: Doesn't make sense. I am not a Nazi, not into guns even.
2017-02-27T00:01:09 < Laurenceb> thats what you want us to think
2017-02-27T00:01:51 < LeelooMinai> Guns seem to be some weird US fetish.
2017-02-27T00:02:17 < aandrew> nah it's quite prevalent up here too, even in KW
2017-02-27T00:03:08 < branjb> it takes a strange type of person to find joy in writing macros like that
2017-02-27T00:04:16 < aandrew> branjb: which, from the mixdown page?
2017-02-27T00:04:17 < LeelooMinai> Same type that likes to build houses from playing cards.
2017-02-27T00:04:20 < zyp> aandrew, that's cool, done anything so far?
2017-02-27T00:04:23 < branjb> yeah
2017-02-27T00:04:26 < zyp> (re: zwave)
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2017-02-27T00:04:44 < aandrew> branjb: actually that worked out *really* nicely
2017-02-27T00:05:06 < aandrew> branjb: I can't think of a better way to define meus in an embedded system without ending up with copy and paste nightmares
2017-02-27T00:07:03 < aandrew> zyp: no, I have some zigbee modules and arduinoes that can drive them, and a MMB USB stick
2017-02-27T00:07:29 < branjb> I agree it works out nice, but my macro skills are too shitty to be able to do that cleanly
2017-02-27T00:07:58 < LeelooMinai> branjb: Don't be silly, just learn C++.
2017-02-27T00:08:10 < LeelooMinai> Or if you already know it, use it on micros.
2017-02-27T00:08:21 < zyp> aandrew, oh, ok
2017-02-27T00:08:50 < aandrew> I fail to see how C++ would "fix" the problem of not having the parameter entries that you want in multiple menus to not be duplicated
2017-02-27T00:08:53 < LeelooMinai> Macros are a path to nowhere pretty much.
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2017-02-27T00:09:52 < aandrew> branjb: agreed, which is why I have to document the shit out of it so when I come back to it in a year or whatever I can pick up my thought process
2017-02-27T00:10:03 < englishman> zyp, are there any efforts in releasing zwave sdk or ota protocol
2017-02-27T00:10:15 < aandrew> it's a similar problem to my perl programming... I have to document the shit out of it or I can't read my own code a month later
2017-02-27T00:10:18 < englishman> seems anyone with that $1k devkit has full source access, and could release
2017-02-27T00:10:24 < branjb> Marlin CNC/3Dprinter firmware has a great example of copy paste menu madness
2017-02-27T00:10:24 < englishman> and its simply available on digikey
2017-02-27T00:10:29 < englishman> could buy + return it
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2017-02-27T00:11:00 < kakimir> i'll just dynamically allocate buffers and count with compare function the longest string
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2017-02-27T00:11:14 < kakimir> *find
2017-02-27T00:11:31 < kakimir> and allocate by it's result needed buffer
2017-02-27T00:12:19 < kakimir> so that no single byte is wasted!
2017-02-27T00:12:40 < kakimir> also safety because automation
2017-02-27T00:13:27 < LeelooMinai> automutilation
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2017-02-27T00:15:19 < zyp> englishman, no, you have to sign an NDA
2017-02-27T00:15:45 < zyp> and it's probably not worth it, it looks like all the class command specs are open
2017-02-27T00:16:07 < zyp> and I managed to find documents on the OTA framing too
2017-02-27T00:16:13 < englishman> oh nice
2017-02-27T00:16:24 < englishman> are you stuck buying their 8051+rf ICs or frontends?
2017-02-27T00:17:00 < englishman> or could their ota be duplicated with any similar modulation transceiver + aes?
2017-02-27T00:17:04 < zyp> I guess it would be possible to roll your own stack given a suitable mcu+radio combo
2017-02-27T00:17:15 < zyp> but I haven't looked too closely at that
2017-02-27T00:17:27 < zyp> right now that's not what I'm interested in
2017-02-27T00:17:51 < englishman> are you interested in home automation, or this is for your electric car thing
2017-02-27T00:18:01 < zyp> former
2017-02-27T00:18:10 < englishman> ok, neat
2017-02-27T00:19:07 < zyp> I wanna have remote control of all my light switches, and then I'll write some central controller software myself that I can integrate with stuff
2017-02-27T00:19:31 < zyp> eventually I can integrate car charger control into it too, but for now that's unrelated
2017-02-27T00:21:36 < zyp> I got the idea when a pal of mine were fucking around with the amazon alexa api recently
2017-02-27T00:22:03 < zyp> we're now at a point where having voice controlled lights is a trivial matter to set up
2017-02-27T00:24:06 < Steffanx> Doesnt all of this already work with any of the existing controller sw?
2017-02-27T00:24:20 < zyp> alexa got a separate smarthome api, which is basically «provide a list of targets with their names and what functions they support (on/off/dimming/etc)» and it'll take care of everything
2017-02-27T00:24:35 < Thorn> is this going to work https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GOOD-TEST-EMULATOR-V8-V9-V9-3-V9-4-IF-YOU-HAVE-TARGET-PRICE-OR-QUESTION/32779051270.html
2017-02-27T00:24:38 < zyp> Steffanx, I bet it does, but where's the fun in that? :p
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2017-02-27T00:25:08 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: I would buy EDU one instead - Segger keeps shifting the ground on the cloners.
2017-02-27T00:25:26 < LeelooMinai> I have both btw.
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2017-02-27T00:25:46 < Steffannn> When youve got the time..
2017-02-27T00:25:59 < zyp> Steffanx, I want the flexibility of writing my own controller software, especially if all the free existing ones are shit
2017-02-27T00:26:57 < zyp> it's not like it should be some massive undertaking either
2017-02-27T00:27:40 < zyp> I figure I'll use rabbitmq as a message bus, write a zwave proxy that goes between that and the zwave stick, an alexa proxy towards that api, and maybe a web frontend part
2017-02-27T00:28:45 < zyp> and probably a core module that keeps track of the other modules and the devices on the network
2017-02-27T00:29:05 < zyp> would make it easy to integrate non-zwave devices into it too
2017-02-27T00:29:07 < zyp> like my tv
2017-02-27T00:31:56 < Steffannn> Going for c++ or will it be python? Or whatever combination?
2017-02-27T00:33:26 < Steffannn> From what i read those zwave sticks are pretty "intelligent". They manage the devices, not the pc sw. But i might have misunderstood that.
2017-02-27T00:34:04 < zyp> well, it'll be modular, so each module can be in whatever language
2017-02-27T00:34:22 < zyp> that's the advantage of using a neutral message broker like rabbitmq in the middle
2017-02-27T00:34:49 < Thorn> SOA FTW
2017-02-27T00:35:50 < zyp> I'm planning to use python, but might do different frameworks or whatever in each module
2017-02-27T00:36:59 < zyp> I made something similar before (basically just started on), where I had a web frontend to remote control stuff that was hooked up to a stm32 over usb
2017-02-27T00:37:58 < zyp> that consisted of a web module and a usb module that talked over rabbitmq
2017-02-27T00:38:24 < branjb> what's the purpose of micropython?
2017-02-27T00:39:08 < zyp> both were in python, but the web part used tornado where both the websocket comms and the rabbitmq comms were handled by the tornado eventloop, while the usb part just did plain blocking reads from rabbitmq and translated them into usb packets to write
2017-02-27T00:40:06 < zyp> I envision a similar mix for this project, so that each module can be structured around whatever style fits the purpose
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2017-02-27T00:41:31 < zyp> if all you're doing is waiting on messages from the message bus, blocking reads is the simplest solution
2017-02-27T00:41:58 < zyp> but if you need to handle multiple event sources in parallel, you probably want some async framework to handle it
2017-02-27T00:57:54 < Steffannn> And then you will get to how to configure it all. And somehow you end up with yaml :P
2017-02-27T01:04:35 < kakimir> there is also stick parity bits
2017-02-27T01:04:45 < kakimir> that stick to 0 or 1
2017-02-27T01:04:54 < kakimir> when would you want to use such?
2017-02-27T01:07:14 < zyp> Steffanx, nah
2017-02-27T01:07:23 < zyp> probably json or similar
2017-02-27T01:07:35 < zyp> might stick it in mongodb
2017-02-27T01:08:26 < zyp> for the core at least, dunno how much config the other parts need
2017-02-27T01:26:39 < kakimir> how many data bits your stm32 uart supports nativelly?
2017-02-27T01:27:31 < LeelooMinai> L4 7-9 both normal and LPUART
2017-02-27T01:30:52 < zyp> sounds right
2017-02-27T01:34:04 < kakimir> sometimes this compiles okay
2017-02-27T01:34:26 < kakimir> sometimes it says undefined reference to function 
2017-02-27T01:34:35 < kakimir> that is in that other project three
2017-02-27T01:36:15 < kakimir> it just suddenly decides it's a problem
2017-02-27T01:38:07 < kakimir> and just a middle of something it decides that hey you forgot stdint.h in one header in this current project space
2017-02-27T01:38:38 < kakimir> and errors it after having successful builds with it earlier :/
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2017-02-27T02:12:37 < aandrew> I'm kind of surprised that the zwave stuff hasn't been released on sites like sonsivri
2017-02-27T02:17:49 < dongs> the hell is zwacve
2017-02-27T02:23:45 < KreAture_> oh no
2017-02-27T02:23:48 < KreAture_> it all turned to dongs
2017-02-27T02:23:50 < KreAture_> :)
2017-02-27T02:25:51 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: Sold on Vietnamese market?
2017-02-27T02:26:12 < KreAture_> no I just have dongs send me some whenever I am feeling in the mood
2017-02-27T02:26:34 < dongs> who's complaining, leelooman?
2017-02-27T02:27:03 < KreAture_> nobodys complaining
2017-02-27T02:27:08 < KreAture_> dongs the biz
2017-02-27T02:27:10 < KreAture_> :)
2017-02-27T02:28:59 < aandrew> zwave is a protocol riding on top of 802.15.whatever for a lot of home automation shit
2017-02-27T02:29:14 < KreAture_> oh yey
2017-02-27T02:29:17 < KreAture_> home automation
2017-02-27T02:29:34 < KreAture_> nothing is like having your home being clever and put on music when you get home or turn on lights and shit
2017-02-27T02:29:55 < KreAture_> and then having it do the same and it's completely inappropriate when you get home with a date
2017-02-27T02:30:04 < KreAture_> lol
2017-02-27T02:30:50 < aandrew> nah don't give a shit for that
2017-02-27T02:31:13 < aandrew> I do like the idea of monitoring and control of the various circuits, that's about it
2017-02-27T02:31:36 < aandrew> that and for the home security system I'll be fucked if I'm gonna give them money to add a sensor. I'll add my own shit 
2017-02-27T02:32:11 < aandrew> one thing I do want to do is emulate a panel so I can tell if the system is armed or not and light up a strip of RGB leds on the outside of the garage (not visible from road) when I approach so I don't accidentally set off the alarm
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2017-02-27T02:47:53 < dongs> what are chances if you're autistic smarthome implemented on arduino and rageberrypi that you will be having dates at the same time?
2017-02-27T02:47:56 < dongs> pretty much zero
2017-02-27T02:48:00 < dongs> so nothin to worry aobut there, KreAture_ 
2017-02-27T02:48:34 < LeelooMinai> I would say still 50% more chance than anyone with a nick dongs.
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2017-02-27T03:07:44 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/johndmcmaster/status/802783195842244609
2017-02-27T03:08:06 < ohsix> aandrew: hurr pal does avionics too
2017-02-27T03:08:34 < ohsix> aandrew: at least there's some traceability, that tends to help keep people thinking
2017-02-27T03:14:11 < aandrew> ohsix: sure, but the joke is actually pretty good
2017-02-27T03:14:29 < kakimir> pi AM
2017-02-27T03:15:44 < ohsix> aandrew: that joke is horrible and overwraught, but there is a good nugget concept in there
2017-02-27T03:16:02 < ohsix> aandrew: the more words you use in the joke the bigger the risk
2017-02-27T03:16:14 < aandrew> yeah, the teacher knew that the students wouldn't have built anything capable of travelling down the runway :-)
2017-02-27T03:17:02 < branjb> i'm trying to troubleshoot this weird timer issue.. anyone able to tell what is going on here? https://goo.gl/photos/vM6ZipxFsky9LJBb7
2017-02-27T03:17:12 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/colincampbell/status/835981327853830145 lul
2017-02-27T03:17:13 < branjb> looks like 180 degree phase shifts or something
2017-02-27T03:17:47 < ohsix> aandrew: but it is a plane, it takes some competency to put it together and even have wheels on it, it wouldn't survive being boarded if it would fail that kind of test
2017-02-27T03:18:17 < aandrew> I disagree
2017-02-27T03:18:34 < dongs> looks like your triggering sucks
2017-02-27T03:18:37 < aandrew> there's a world of difference between putting something together and all the holes lining up so you can put bolts through them, and being able to withstand the rigor of flight
2017-02-27T03:18:38 < branjb> you're still talking about that joke?
2017-02-27T03:18:39 < branjb> jesus
2017-02-27T03:18:46 < dongs> branjb: /ignore ohsix, it helps
2017-02-27T03:18:46 < aandrew> branjb: yeah we're odd that way
2017-02-27T03:18:59 < dongs> keeps the autism away
2017-02-27T03:19:02 < branjb> lol
2017-02-27T03:19:12 < branjb> dongs what is wrong here?: https://goo.gl/photos/vM6ZipxFsky9LJBb7
2017-02-27T03:19:29 < dongs> branjb: i already told you
2017-02-27T03:19:36 < LeelooMinai> I wonder how ohsix does even have a normal life... I mean he finds totally useless things on internet and autisms over them for hours like he was talking about the future of humanity or something o grave importance:)
2017-02-27T03:19:44 < ohsix> aandrew: well, flight isn't going down the runway olol
2017-02-27T03:19:45 < branjb> oh
2017-02-27T03:19:59 < ohsix> basic design shit of wings and their cross section, at least with the image offered as illustration, looks sound
2017-02-27T03:20:15 < branjb> i don't think it is triggering because my stepper motor is actually jittering when it gets to max velocity
2017-02-27T03:20:24 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: probably by isolating himself and calling out "dongs mafia" occasionally
2017-02-27T03:20:30 < ohsix> like, why were the engineers boarding this plane in the first place
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2017-02-27T03:21:19  * LeelooMinai sighs
2017-02-27T03:21:28 < dongs> branjb: the noise in background is the motor?
2017-02-27T03:21:58 < branjb> yea
2017-02-27T03:23:42 < ReadError> dongs: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ozZ8vL2I/Untitled.png
2017-02-27T03:23:53 < aandrew> whenever i tell this printer to print duplex it's like it spits out the paper, says "ohshit, wait" then sucks it back in to print the other side
2017-02-27T03:24:01 < dongs> ReadError: lol
2017-02-27T03:24:21 < dongs> so clifton now gonna run his other clone into the ground too?
2017-02-27T03:24:40 < dongs> I heard they turned that shit into 380kbytes of compiled binary
2017-02-27T03:24:41 < ReadError> looks like he took betaflight and just changed the name
2017-02-27T03:24:56 < dongs> must be all the long function names
2017-02-27T03:28:47 < stvn> wut is clifton
2017-02-27T03:29:52 < dongs> Dear Valued Netflix User 
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2017-02-27T03:40:24 < stvn> my autistic story
2017-02-27T03:41:20 < ReadError> ?
2017-02-27T03:42:51 < Lux> he should call it renameflight
2017-02-27T03:43:06 < dongs> thats basically all its ever been anyway?
2017-02-27T03:43:11 < Lux> ya
2017-02-27T03:43:12 < dongs> rename all function names
2017-02-27T03:43:15 < dongs> steal code from lux
2017-02-27T03:43:24 < dongs> make final binary 380k
2017-02-27T03:43:32 < Lux> amazeballs
2017-02-27T03:45:12 < stvn> sup hackers
2017-02-27T03:45:16 < stvn> stl files ey
2017-02-27T03:49:10 < stvn> BPZ30P100FTB
2017-02-27T03:50:20 < dongs> http://www.instrumentalparts.com/bpz30p100ftb.html
2017-02-27T03:50:21 < dongs> $6.10
2017-02-27T03:50:39 < branjb> what happens if an OC interrupt fires on one channel, and while servicing that interrupt another channel on the same timer fires an OC interrupt?
2017-02-27T03:50:48 < dongs> er
2017-02-27T03:51:05 < dongs> why do you have OC *interrupts* happening?
2017-02-27T03:51:18 < branjb> because when cnt = pulse
2017-02-27T03:51:20 < dongs> youre making timer output stuff yeah? not togglign gpio in interrupt
2017-02-27T03:51:23 < branjb> interrupt fires
2017-02-27T03:51:38 < ohsix> ReadError: that needs a 'life comes at you fast' thing
2017-02-27T03:52:23 < dongs> yeah but why
2017-02-27T03:52:25 < ohsix> Lux: wat is betaflight, is that still rate or is it autopilot junk
2017-02-27T03:52:52 < LeelooMinai> branjb: Those interrupts will have same priority, so won't preempt (ie you cannot have them nest if you are worryinbg about that.)
2017-02-27T03:53:01 < Lux> it's stuff pro fpv racers use
2017-02-27T03:53:02 < ohsix> heh
2017-02-27T03:53:03 < Lux> so rate
2017-02-27T03:53:04 < branjb> dongs: http://pastebin.com/g3ktY8Us 
2017-02-27T03:53:14 < ohsix> if you google 'cleanflight betaflight' it's a bunch of vs. threads
2017-02-27T03:53:23 < ohsix> does the guy just move onto the next thing
2017-02-27T03:53:29 < dongs> oly shit
2017-02-27T03:53:33 < branjb> lol
2017-02-27T03:53:36 < dongs> you haev all that IN INTERRUPT?
2017-02-27T03:53:45 < ohsix> hurr esc calibration is never far away
2017-02-27T03:54:12 < ReadError> baseflight -> cleanflight -> betaflight
2017-02-27T03:54:19 < ohsix> ya
2017-02-27T03:54:28 < ReadError> now its 
2017-02-27T03:54:30 < dongs> else if (CH2StepsForMove * .8 < CH2CurrentMoveStep)
2017-02-27T03:54:33 < dongs> including double conversions, haha
2017-02-27T03:54:40 < ReadError> baseflight -> cleanflight -> betaflight -> cleanflight(aka betaflight)
2017-02-27T03:54:43 < dongs> why are you surprised your shit doesnt work
2017-02-27T03:55:02 < ohsix> what is the point though
2017-02-27T03:55:26 < ohsix> how does hydra benefit from doing something so superficially shitty
2017-02-27T03:55:39 < ReadError> his fork has been dead
2017-02-27T03:55:44 < ReadError> people moved on
2017-02-27T03:55:46 < branjb> so dongs
2017-02-27T03:56:00 < branjb> you would recommend optomizing interrupt routines
2017-02-27T03:56:00 < ReadError> so hes changing to another forked and going to start working off that
2017-02-27T03:56:13 < ohsix> what work
2017-02-27T03:56:55 < LeelooMinai> branjb: I would recommend you toggle a pin at entry and exit and look at it on the scope - you will see how long the IRQ takes and if it may or may not be a problem.
2017-02-27T03:57:12 < LeelooMinai> branjb: Just use any spare GPIO pin.
2017-02-27T03:57:23 < branjb> k
2017-02-27T03:57:41 < branjb> well
2017-02-27T03:57:57 < LeelooMinai> You have 4 channels there, so you may as well look at that toggling pin and the actual waceforms you had there.
2017-02-27T03:58:23 < Thorn> are FPU registers even saved on interrupt entry?
2017-02-27T03:58:25 < ohsix> the longer you spend in a irq the more fragile everything gets
2017-02-27T03:58:46 < dongs> Thorn: they are if you enable it
2017-02-27T03:59:01 < LeelooMinai> Because yes, having too long IRQ handling is bad, but your frequencies may be low enough for it not being the actual problem. So I would start from what I wrote: establishing that indeed your IRQ is too long.
2017-02-27T03:59:32 < stvn> shit son
2017-02-27T04:00:53 < Thorn> a lot of LoC does not mean it's taking too long. it's not like there are loops or something there
2017-02-27T04:01:18 < LeelooMinai> Right, that's why I think it may be a "red herring".
2017-02-27T04:02:04 < dongs> there's float>douple conversion and math in there
2017-02-27T04:02:19 < dongs> and thats just one line that ive looekd at
2017-02-27T04:03:04 < Thorn> maybe it's all soft FP lol
2017-02-27T04:03:24 < Thorn> that means loops
2017-02-27T04:03:43 < ohsix> poo loops
2017-02-27T04:04:30 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrSNs-ovTDI
2017-02-27T04:04:54 < Thorn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5m_uOnWQAIer7O.jpg:large
2017-02-27T04:06:09 < ohsix> seems legit
2017-02-27T04:13:01 < branjb> hm
2017-02-27T04:13:28 < branjb> moved fp conversions to outside of the isr
2017-02-27T04:14:02 < branjb> phase thing went away for most moves
2017-02-27T04:15:37 < LeelooMinai> branjb: Lame - you should first do the GPIO thing and you would have the actual number comparison for timings and how they relate to the overall scenario.
2017-02-27T04:16:01 < branjb> well
2017-02-27T04:16:35 < LeelooMinai> You would also see exactly where interrupt triggers, etc.
2017-02-27T04:17:39 < branjb> the problem i think is that there are harmonics, ie, cnt = pulse for multiple channels at the same time
2017-02-27T04:18:13 < aandrew> eep, just in general I keep ISRs as short and do as little as possible. Get the data in/out of the hardware and on its way to something that can deal with it in the main loop, set up for the next transfer (if necessary) and GTFO. 
2017-02-27T04:18:56 < aandrew> ISRs are no place for computation, locking, spinning or doing anything but the bare minimum needed to resolve the interrupt
2017-02-27T04:19:37 < branjb> what's a better way to do frequency modulation?
2017-02-27T04:19:42 < ohsix> at the very least, if you try, you need to account for that time or you'll end up fucking up everything. and you need to know when tha thappens or you'll have crazyfun problems
2017-02-27T04:20:30 < aandrew> branjb: precompute and put the output pattern memory, use DMA+ISR to set PWM based on that precomputed table
2017-02-27T04:21:21 < aandrew> by precompute I mean precompute the desired freq changes based on the message to send
2017-02-27T04:22:00 < branjb> i'm just driving a stepper motor
2017-02-27T04:22:19 < branjb> the output waves are from 5-40 khz 
2017-02-27T04:22:33 < aandrew> either you're doing a waveform (say FM audio) so you'll be sending some block of modulated audio or you're FM transmitting a message but either way you can probably DMA small blobs of what you want the PWM to be over time
2017-02-27T04:22:42 < aandrew> say 60us or whatever
2017-02-27T04:23:10 < aandrew> ok and you're doing what, a ramp from 14-25kHz over 1s or something
2017-02-27T04:23:17 < branjb> yea
2017-02-27T04:23:18 < aandrew> (just picking an arbitrary motor movement change)
2017-02-27T04:24:02 < aandrew> ok, so you will have a state machine that is driving the "what are we gonna send next" and it'll have something lke current freq, target freq, rate etc
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2017-02-27T04:24:23 < aandrew> so you'llh ave a routine to generate the next 100ms of PWM data and update the state
2017-02-27T04:24:30 < branjb> ah
2017-02-27T04:25:01 < aandrew> that routine will emit a table of PWM duty cycles into a buffer in memory
2017-02-27T04:25:28 < aandrew> and you'll DMA it over or set up a timer ISR that grabs the next buffer entry and programs it when the timer expires
2017-02-27T04:26:30 < aandrew> there'll be some boilerplate to handle your edge cases like where the buffer's empty or whatever, but it's a fairly generic solution
2017-02-27T04:27:00 < aandrew> am I barking up the wrong tree? how would others do it?
2017-02-27T04:28:12 < aandrew> for this EM trackign system I use this same approach for the transmitter coils
2017-02-27T04:28:52 < aandrew> lots of compute+dma, the DMA ISR sets up transfer for the next buffer and flags the main routine to generate more data
2017-02-27T04:31:22 < ohsix> i would use faust
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2017-02-27T04:32:13 < ohsix> if you have a basic scheduler you can do any of this shit
2017-02-27T04:32:38 < ohsix> that's basically what you're putting together when you start using dma watermark to decide when shit runs
2017-02-27T04:33:04 < LeelooMinai> "wth is faust"
2017-02-27T04:33:20 < ohsix> it just gets you more variability for time to compute vs. block size, you could also lock to sample rate and generate one sample per step or some shit
2017-02-27T04:34:06 < LeelooMinai> Faust must be something from 80s ohsix doenloaded from some BBS with 2400 modem.
2017-02-27T04:35:10 < LeelooMinai> And now he thinks that everyone should know it, and he is helping.
2017-02-27T04:35:27 < branjb> lol
2017-02-27T04:36:05 < ohsix> you only get into trouble when stuff starts taking longer than 1/samplerate
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2017-02-27T04:36:23 < ohsix> or you have to amortize startup of some shit like an adc
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2017-02-27T04:36:39 < branjb> basically i just want to follow this profile: http://imgur.com/a/5pKAi
2017-02-27T04:36:49 < branjb> where the line = freq
2017-02-27T04:36:57 < LeelooMinai> I think ohsix escaped from Arkham Asylum
2017-02-27T04:37:01 < aandrew> *nods* you can do that pretty easily
2017-02-27T04:37:15 < aandrew> you can also do specific start/stop ramp styles
2017-02-27T04:37:31 < aandrew> when I was in power electronics "S" curves were popular because they reduced torque shocks
2017-02-27T04:38:04 < aandrew> sine is another popular one
2017-02-27T04:38:13 < ohsix> cycles per boner
2017-02-27T04:38:32 < ohsix> is the hax where you use a table and keep track of the phase suitable for motor control
2017-02-27T04:38:37 < ohsix> that's what they do in muzak stuff
2017-02-27T04:39:21 < branjb> S curves are cool
2017-02-27T04:40:09 < ohsix> https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/fm.html hur
2017-02-27T04:41:04 < LeelooMinai> Geez, no, I cannot watch this. Now ohsix got catapulted into some crazy tangent internet pages and will autism over them... I need to go watch something.
2017-02-27T04:42:07 < ohsix> https://github.com/Themaister/libfmsynth/blob/master/src/fmsynth.c#L664 bing bam boom
2017-02-27T04:42:49 < ohsix> it's kind of weird as a discrete process
2017-02-27T04:43:05 < LeelooMinai> branjb: Here, ohsix presented you with a way to use your steppers as a human voice simulator.
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2017-02-27T04:43:23 < ohsix> guess as long as the phase doesn't go past 1/2 sample rate the same shit still holds
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2017-02-27T04:45:51 < ohsix> it's kind of a left field tangent looking thing, but it should work the same
2017-02-27T04:49:03 < branjb> lol
2017-02-27T04:50:44 < branjb> wtf pizza place won't delivery 3.37 miles away
2017-02-27T04:52:19 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/NEW-firmware-for-PCB-project/ job 4 zyp
2017-02-27T04:52:25 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/SPDIF-using-DMA-STM-microcontroller/ job for emeb
2017-02-27T04:53:44 < branjb> man
2017-02-27T04:53:58 < branjb> i wonder how many students put their homework on freelancer.com
2017-02-27T04:54:02 < dongs> all of them
2017-02-27T04:54:07 < dongs> and 50 pakis bid
2017-02-27T04:54:09 < dongs> and get paid $30
2017-02-27T04:54:11 < dongs> to do ti
2017-02-27T04:54:14 < upgrdman> can f4 dma to gpio? e.g. memory-to-gpio for efficient gang banging
2017-02-27T04:54:14 < branjb> lol
2017-02-27T04:54:14 < dongs> and do it wrong
2017-02-27T04:54:18 < dongs> upgrdman: yes
2017-02-27T04:54:19 < dongs> of course
2017-02-27T04:54:21 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-27T04:54:24 < dongs> not even f4, any stm32
2017-02-27T04:54:28 < upgrdman> good
2017-02-27T04:54:31 < dongs> you just DMA to GPIOx->ODR or wahtever
2017-02-27T04:54:39 < dongs> use a timer to clock it
2017-02-27T04:54:50 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-27T04:54:54 < dongs> i did that to make 8 or 16 (i forget) uarts out of a F1
2017-02-27T04:55:01 < upgrdman> lol nice
2017-02-27T04:56:07 < ohsix> fmc can do hax too
2017-02-27T04:56:24 < ohsix> don't benefit from timer unless you just do the io in a timer tho
2017-02-27T05:00:23 < ohsix> what the fuck
2017-02-27T05:00:28 < ohsix> suicide squad won an oscar
2017-02-27T05:05:13 < branjb> what's the difference between arm_math.h and math.h?  is one just optimized for arm?
2017-02-27T05:06:48 < englishman> upgrdman: which f4
2017-02-27T05:07:26 < dongs> branjb: why are you asking
2017-02-27T05:07:45 < branjb> that fm voice synthesizer example has 
2017-02-27T05:07:49 < branjb> #include "arm_math.h"
2017-02-27T05:07:49 < branjb> #include <math.h>
2017-02-27T05:09:44 < aandrew> woo, my EM tracker seems to be doing something right
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2017-02-27T05:10:07 < aandrew> still has to go through cal, but all the positions and orientations seem to make sense
2017-02-27T05:10:49 < aandrew> whoa ohsix you really went off the deep end with that "FM" keyword didn't you
2017-02-27T05:11:26 < dongs> autism knows no bounds
2017-02-27T05:11:36  * stvn lights a cigar
2017-02-27T05:12:17 < aandrew> so with the math out of the way I can now switch gears and fix my drain-source swap which totally fucks me on some DIO
2017-02-27T05:12:28 < aandrew> the body diode is always conducting :-/
2017-02-27T05:12:34 < stvn> lol
2017-02-27T05:12:38 < aandrew> it's amateur hour over here
2017-02-27T05:12:43 < dongs> http://www.filedropper.com/buildelectronicsbox lmao @ this
2017-02-27T05:12:43 < stvn> ah
2017-02-27T05:12:46 < dongs> freecancer
2017-02-27T05:13:04 < aandrew> doesn't matter how many times I go over a schematic before layout ther eis always something that will slip through
2017-02-27T05:13:09 < aandrew> this is minor which is good at least
2017-02-27T05:13:12 < stvn> EEVbegger and the 
2017-02-27T05:13:37 < dongs> aandrew: just solder them  fets on backwards
2017-02-27T05:13:39 < dongs> bend the legs back
2017-02-27T05:13:44 < dongs> done
2017-02-27T05:13:49 < jadew> https://ro.pinterest.com/pin/396950154634647583/
2017-02-27T05:14:11 < jadew> I wouldn't mind having something like that in my lab
2017-02-27T05:14:21 < dongs> not sure if you linked to what you wanted to link to
2017-02-27T05:14:23 < dongs> all I see is gay shit
2017-02-27T05:14:44 < jadew> I linked to some wire sculptures
2017-02-27T05:14:58 < jadew> mainly nude chicks
2017-02-27T05:15:12 < dongs> what the fuck is your obsession wiht nude chicks
2017-02-27T05:15:14 < dongs> arent you married
2017-02-27T05:15:27 < jadew> that is the reason
2017-02-27T05:15:32 < aandrew> dongs: orite. you do that on a SOT563
2017-02-27T05:15:54 < dongs> pfft
2017-02-27T05:16:00 < jadew> but I just find the sculptures pretty awesome
2017-02-27T05:16:01 < dongs> oh also
2017-02-27T05:16:02 < stvn> if you wanna sample the gear, don't get married
2017-02-27T05:16:02 < aandrew> jadew: looks like mummies
2017-02-27T05:16:08 < dongs> this chinapcb, highspec one
2017-02-27T05:16:13 < dongs> SUPER easy to lift pads 
2017-02-27T05:16:18 < jadew> aandrew, yeah, a bit
2017-02-27T05:16:19 < dongs> i think copper>FR4 bonding is very poor
2017-02-27T05:16:39 < aandrew> dongs: that's because the copper is stuck to the FR4 with the tears of 5yo labourers
2017-02-27T05:16:40 < jadew> dongs, from where did you get it?
2017-02-27T05:16:51 < dongs> jadew: chiangirl special, doesnt matter, im sure its all same
2017-02-27T05:17:01 < dongs> all it took was removing one cap and it took the pad wiht it
2017-02-27T05:17:15 < dongs> (i didnt need the pad after all, but I've NEVER had pads come off when rworking local pcbs
2017-02-27T05:20:02 < stvn> if you've got something to say about it i'll put a fuckin coke can up ya pussy
2017-02-27T05:20:23 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/tpaIqEq.jpg
2017-02-27T05:21:10 < aandrew> HAHHA
2017-02-27T05:21:12 < aandrew> THIS IS RIGHT PAW
2017-02-27T05:21:15 < aandrew> HAHAHAHAHA
2017-02-27T05:21:37 < stvn> didnt get that reference
2017-02-27T05:21:53 < jadew> there's no reference
2017-02-27T05:21:57 < englishman> advanced memetics
2017-02-27T05:22:10 < englishman> stvn i have a new cat video
2017-02-27T05:22:15 < stvn> link
2017-02-27T05:23:00 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGUPp5qszJM
2017-02-27T05:25:56 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/uarm-swift-your-personal-robotic-assistant-education-gadgets--2#/ why is this on indiegogo
2017-02-27T05:31:34 < dongs> buying 1500 SODIM sockets
2017-02-27T05:32:25 < englishman> any AM4 to go with that
2017-02-27T05:32:34 < stvn> AMP
2017-02-27T05:32:38 < dongs> plz no
2017-02-27T05:32:48 < dongs> AMD is deader than cyrix
2017-02-27T05:33:23 < dongs> now is good time to upgrade to i7-7700 since its like $50 less
2017-02-27T05:33:31 < dongs> getting closer to 'amp!six can afford me' realm
2017-02-27T05:33:37 < stvn> good vid englishman 
2017-02-27T05:33:49 < englishman> thx
2017-02-27T05:34:01 < englishman> lildongs didnt get any oscar nominations
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2017-02-27T05:38:51 < stvn> yes
2017-02-27T05:38:55 < stvn> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/01/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-review/
2017-02-27T05:39:02 < stvn> arse technica 
2017-02-27T05:43:08 < stvn> who is wong
2017-02-27T05:43:17 < dongs> sum ting wong
2017-02-27T05:43:27 < dongs> that guy.
2017-02-27T05:43:30 < stvn> yah
2017-02-27T05:50:43 < dongs> why almost nobody cares about i7-7700
2017-02-27T05:50:48 < dongs> they all want -K
2017-02-27T05:50:58 < dongs> Did you mean: i7-7700k review
2017-02-27T05:50:58 < dongs> Search Results
2017-02-27T05:52:13 < ohsix> the 7700 is junktrashbutts
2017-02-27T05:56:18 < dongs> hm K has no VPRO
2017-02-27T05:56:21 < dongs> thats not pro
2017-02-27T05:56:33 < dongs> and no STABLE IMAGE PLATFORM
2017-02-27T06:01:21 < dongs> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/upgrading-mainboard-in-lecroy-dda-3000-(aka-wavepro-7300a)/msg1139238/#msg1139238 heh someone put my jewpad adapter into a fucking scope
2017-02-27T06:04:21 < dongs> interesting that lecroy just has the scope bits on a PCI card inside otherwise what is a standard pc
2017-02-27T06:04:49 < stvn> how awesome is the eevblog forum dongs
2017-02-27T06:05:20 < dongs> complete shit
2017-02-27T06:05:24 < dongs> only retweeting cuz the guy emailed me
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2017-02-27T06:25:29 < dongs> Universal Clipboard. Copy images, video, or text from an app on your iPhone. Then paste into another app on your nearby Mac. And of course, it works the other way around too — so you can browse a recipe on your Mac and paste the ingredients right to the grocery list on your iPhone.
2017-02-27T06:25:34 < dongs> buying iphone right now
2017-02-27T06:25:51 < dongs> need liek 20 clicks to send url from assdroid to pc
2017-02-27T06:38:55 < ohsix> who ru talking 2 bro
2017-02-27T06:48:14 < stvn> k
2017-02-27T06:48:27 < dongs> let's autism
2017-02-27T06:50:46 < dongs> I need to write invoices for about 14k of stuff and ive been autisming it off for months
2017-02-27T06:51:28 < upgrdman> re: that stupid indiegofuckyourself robot arm... how long until someone tries to mount a fleshlight on it
2017-02-27T06:51:53 < dongs> not enough force
2017-02-27T06:52:07 < dongs> upgrdman: that thing looks so useless anyway
2017-02-27T06:52:12 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-27T06:52:14 < dongs> shit resolution/repeatability for retarded price
2017-02-27T06:52:23 < dongs> and they gave away the first set at 50% off, so they'll never actually deliver
2017-02-27T06:52:31 < dongs> cuz yanno, mechanical shit actually costs money to make
2017-02-27T06:52:39 < dongs> but tarduino 2560 inside that thing is a nonstarter
2017-02-27T06:59:39 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/maddoxrules/status/836075039774683136
2017-02-27T07:00:24 < englishman> i got 15min into lalaland and turned it off, horrible film
2017-02-27T07:00:30 < englishman> now its won like 27 oscars
2017-02-27T07:00:33 < englishman> hollywood is dumb
2017-02-27T07:01:39 < ohsix> i'ts not even hollywood, and ya it's dumb
2017-02-27T07:01:45 < ohsix> people saw lala land coming
2017-02-27T07:01:50 < ohsix> fucking
2017-02-27T07:01:53 < ohsix> suicide squad
2017-02-27T07:02:10 < ohsix> they throw garbage in there to get to people that don't even care
2017-02-27T07:03:05 < ohsix> shit is getting old
2017-02-27T07:04:38 < emeb_mac> lets riot
2017-02-27T07:05:05 < dongs> Comedy: A jazz pianist falls for an aspiring actress in Los Angeles.
2017-02-27T07:05:06 < dongs> wat
2017-02-27T07:05:09 < dongs> not even
2017-02-27T07:07:35 < ohsix> nah let's not watch and don't let them fuck with you
2017-02-27T07:07:45 < ohsix> suicide squad makeup is a str8 up, fuck with you oscar
2017-02-27T07:10:48 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/psOlqfJ.png lul
2017-02-27T07:18:43 < ohsix> heheh watching a recording of a class i missed, it's weird seeing people you recognize, and yourself as you run around doing other shit
2017-02-27T07:21:03 < ohsix> the people in the python class are weird
2017-02-27T07:24:06 < ohsix> one of the kids name is even django
2017-02-27T07:24:33 < ohsix> son of the molten voltage guy
2017-02-27T07:36:33 < ohsix> heheheh people fight with the presentation computer every fackin' time
2017-02-27T07:36:43 < ohsix> it's 1080penises and you can't read it from most of the room
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2017-02-27T07:54:20 < stvn> nah mate
2017-02-27T07:56:17 < upgrdman> how to scroll a mouse:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dap5lEuS5uM
2017-02-27T07:56:17 < ohsix> lunix juegos
2017-02-27T07:56:50 < ohsix> groan
2017-02-27T07:57:00 < dongs> thats how you get to the bottom of trump twitter feed
2017-02-27T07:57:34 < ohsix> upgrdman: heheh before the canned air came into the picture, i thought it was for wikihow
2017-02-27T07:59:31 < ohsix> are there no music haxors on the internet
2017-02-27T08:03:22 < dongs> I'm on SUPER PRO M560
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2017-02-27T08:04:01 < dongs> https://i.4cdn.org/sp/1488084915501.webm typical day in japan
2017-02-27T08:04:48 < dongs> Jukin Media Verified (Original)
2017-02-27T08:04:49 < dongs> * For licensing / permission to use: Contact - licensing(at)jukinmediadotcom
2017-02-27T08:04:49 < dongs> wat
2017-02-27T08:04:58 < dongs> how do I get my trollvids verified by JEWKIN MEDIA
2017-02-27T08:07:29 < emeb_mac> so perky
2017-02-27T08:07:51 < upgrdman> good job japan  https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b26d38c8c57f489605ef801b9c812bc4-c
2017-02-27T08:10:30 < dongs> mailorderbrides.com
2017-02-27T08:11:21 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/beepboxco
2017-02-27T08:11:22 < dongs> is FSX trolling a thing
2017-02-27T08:11:29 < dongs> R2COM: you can do that with a random nigger in arizona too
2017-02-27T08:12:47 < upgrdman> you afraid your dick will fall off if you poke a darky?
2017-02-27T08:13:36 < upgrdman> black girl with an overgrown afro "down there" ... *pukes*
2017-02-27T08:14:21 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-27T08:14:35 < englishman> with a jap you wont get any sex at all
2017-02-27T08:15:08 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-27T08:15:49 < upgrdman> you pull down her panties and it looks like a block glass window
2017-02-27T08:15:57 < stvn> fucken skitz mate
2017-02-27T08:16:17 < dongs>  < upgrdman> black girl with an overgrown afro "down there" ... *pukes*
2017-02-27T08:16:23 < dongs> so basically same thing like a jap girl
2017-02-27T08:16:26 < dongs> with an overgrtown afro
2017-02-27T08:16:28 < dongs> ???
2017-02-27T08:16:57 < upgrdman> dongs, ? jap chick pubes dont look like an afro
2017-02-27T08:16:57 < dongs> better ask waht LeelooMan thinks real quick
2017-02-27T08:17:03 < dongs> upgrdman: how would you know
2017-02-27T08:17:08 < upgrdman> xhamster
2017-02-27T08:17:10 < upgrdman> ;)
2017-02-27T08:18:31 < upgrdman> actually, they look like this  https://news-images.vice.com/images/2014/07/15/why-is-japan-so-upset-about-a-3-d-printed-vagina-article-body-image-1405453266.jpg?output-quality=75
2017-02-27T08:19:58 < upgrdman> lol
2017-02-27T08:22:11 < upgrdman> i imagine r2com browses this while at work    http://imgur.com/r/asianhotties
2017-02-27T08:22:59 < ohsix> y so racist bro
2017-02-27T08:22:59 < dongs> all look pretty ugly
2017-02-27T08:23:02 < dongs> page closed
2017-02-27T08:23:02 < ohsix> er
2017-02-27T08:23:16 < ohsix> upgrdman: do you know anything about music
2017-02-27T08:23:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, not really. i can play the first half of Mary Had a Little Lamb tho
2017-02-27T08:23:48 < ohsix> i'm trying to think of wat mixing bitstrings would do
2017-02-27T08:24:03 < ohsix> and what timebase you would use or whatever, just using and/not/xor as mixing operators
2017-02-27T08:24:26 < ohsix> i thoguht someone would have done this already but it doesn't look like they have
2017-02-27T08:25:15 < upgrdman> ohsix, what does that have ti do with music
2017-02-27T08:25:37 < ohsix> not much
2017-02-27T08:25:58 < ohsix> something that changes states 440 times a second will sound like something
2017-02-27T08:28:23 < ohsix> a thing i tell you
2017-02-27T08:29:06 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL04CHA9P-g is dis some initiald
2017-02-27T08:29:23 < dongs> lots of autism links today
2017-02-27T08:29:38 < ohsix> you could do envelopes by masking the bits and shit
2017-02-27T08:30:09 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDTXUO3dYE&feature=youtu.be
2017-02-27T08:30:09 < stvn> click click
2017-02-27T08:30:22 < dongs> fuck yes
2017-02-27T08:30:37 < dongs> upgrdman: youv'e just redeemd yourself for the alst year+ of shitty reddit links
2017-02-27T08:30:59 < upgrdman> :)
2017-02-27T08:31:10 < ohsix> https://www.lightnote.co/
2017-02-27T08:31:49 < ohsix> ghahaoguhag upgrdman 
2017-02-27T08:31:54 < ohsix> my ears hurt from laughing
2017-02-27T08:33:18 < stvn> lol
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2017-02-27T08:36:19 < englishman>  <dongs> upgrdman: youv'e just redeemd yourself for the alst year+ of shitty reddit links
2017-02-27T08:36:22 < englishman> this is truth
2017-02-27T08:39:38 < stvn> yeah those links were poor but i ignored it cause he actually does electronix
2017-02-27T08:40:38 < ohsix> https://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/5wf233/oscars_2017_best_movie_fuck_up/
2017-02-27T08:40:45 < stvn> now pspice models2ltspice mate
2017-02-27T08:40:53 < ohsix> we can take that link dump thing out of the topic now
2017-02-27T08:41:02 < ohsix> upgrdman broke it
2017-02-27T08:41:03 < dongs> explorer. exe just crashed
2017-02-27T08:41:13 < dongs> when's windows anniversary edition comng out
2017-02-27T08:41:13 < stvn> wut
2017-02-27T08:41:22 < dongs> i need to reinstall windows and update ssd
2017-02-27T08:41:25 < stvn> 2022
2017-02-27T08:41:34 < dongs> hm not anniversary
2017-02-27T08:41:38 < dongs> ik guess this is creators update
2017-02-27T08:41:42 < dongs> so i can have mspaint3d.exe
2017-02-27T08:41:42 < stvn> mmmmmmmmyea
2017-02-27T08:41:53 < stvn> i just paid $10,000 for that
2017-02-27T08:42:00 < dongs> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/02/forthcoming-windows-insider-build-low-on-features-high-on-fixes/
2017-02-27T08:42:04 < stvn> vectorworks yeanah
2017-02-27T08:42:34 < dongs> Microsoft is also continuing to work on the out-of-box experience (OOBE). In the Creators Update, driving the initial system setup through voice commands will be possible using Cortana—and there's a new animation to support that.
2017-02-27T08:42:49 < dongs> > initial system setup using voice commands what the fuck why
2017-02-27T08:42:56 < dongs> cortana select drive 2 parititon 3
2017-02-27T08:43:00 < dongs> delete
2017-02-27T08:43:01 < dongs> yes
2017-02-27T08:43:07 < dongs> select drive 2 paririton 1
2017-02-27T08:43:08 < dongs> delete
2017-02-27T08:43:08 < dongs> yes
2017-02-27T08:43:11 < dongs> format
2017-02-27T08:43:12 < dongs> all
2017-02-27T08:43:13 < dongs> install
2017-02-27T08:43:15 < dongs> yes
2017-02-27T08:43:17 < dongs> whyyyyyyyyyyyyy
2017-02-27T08:43:41 < dongs> This build, like several before it, may still have strange broken audio and high disk I/O due to misbehavior from a process named spectrum.exe. Redmond says that the "primary bug" has been fixed, but problems endure.
2017-02-27T08:43:47 < dongs> more like autism_spectrum.exe amirite?
2017-02-27T08:44:02 < stvn> yes I would say that is correct
2017-02-27T08:44:05 < dongs> chrome using 1.2gb of ram
2017-02-27T08:44:09 < dongs> i should probly do something about it
2017-02-27T08:44:11 < dongs> it just crashed yesterday
2017-02-27T08:44:17 < dongs> so it cant be opening anything useful
2017-02-27T08:44:53 < stvn> cash in hand mate
2017-02-27T08:45:13 < stvn> i'm using a professional operating system
2017-02-27T08:47:47 < ohsix> dongs is joking, but 3d builder does come with windows 10
2017-02-27T08:48:23 < ohsix> it's not horrible
2017-02-27T08:49:20 < ohsix> gahah available on xbox one, windows holographic, pc and mobile device
2017-02-27T08:49:57 < ohsix> https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/3d-print/printing-partners lul
2017-02-27T08:50:23 < ohsix> at least there's a prusa in there, but holy fuck, rank failure
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2017-02-27T09:13:53 < dongs> wtf vishay.com is down
2017-02-27T09:13:56 < dongs> and im trying to read datasheets
2017-02-27T09:14:10 < stvn> why
2017-02-27T09:14:37 < stvn> im trying to simulate transistors
2017-02-27T09:14:47 < dongs> im trying to stimulate my anus
2017-02-27T09:15:16 < stvn> how many TFLOPs?
2017-02-27T09:15:22 < dongs> 1.21
2017-02-27T09:15:27 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gwV3SlD
2017-02-27T09:15:50 < dongs> upgrdman: not funny cuz apple users are all gay
2017-02-27T09:15:55 < dongs> so that would have to be a dude
2017-02-27T09:15:58 < upgrdman> haha ok
2017-02-27T09:18:30 < dongs> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1260703
2017-02-27T09:18:38 < dongs> i didnt know thats wehre skyworks got all their power management trash from
2017-02-27T09:27:25 < dongs> http://www.vishay.com/docs/71110/71110.pdf is there something like this thats more modern and actually buyable (attn aandrew)
2017-02-27T09:28:00 < dongs> i mean I could just make the circuit out of discreet components but fuck that
2017-02-27T09:28:24 < ohsix> could you
2017-02-27T09:29:23 < stvn> discrete
2017-02-27T09:29:42 < ohsix> https://www.google.com/patents/US6091617 the answer is no
2017-02-27T09:30:18 < dongs> ya those.
2017-02-27T09:30:31 < dongs> don't amp!six me over trivial things
2017-02-27T09:30:46 < stvn> im just out of weed man
2017-02-27T09:30:48 < ohsix> discrete components can be discreet
2017-02-27T09:31:17 < dongs> me too
2017-02-27T09:31:24 < dongs> its a bummer
2017-02-27T09:31:43 < stvn> yeah here i am screwing transistors into a heatsink for an amp i havent even simulated properly
2017-02-27T09:31:45 < ohsix> stvn: tell him it is patented
2017-02-27T09:32:21 < stvn> before you go
2017-02-27T09:32:30 < stvn> could you get me some thousand island dressing?
2017-02-27T09:33:00 < ohsix> i've got some florida keys' dressing
2017-02-27T09:33:08 < ohsix> quay
2017-02-27T09:33:22 < stvn> you do 
2017-02-27T09:33:24 < stvn> and it confuses me
2017-02-27T09:33:36 < ohsix> are you talking to yourself
2017-02-27T09:34:21 < stvn> send some my way
2017-02-27T09:34:38 < stvn> CRT pumping industries Australia pty.ltd.
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2017-02-27T09:51:44 < dongs> http://www.allpcb.com/supply/supplynote.aspx?id=348 lol
2017-02-27T09:54:14 < stvn> mmm
2017-02-27T09:54:17 < stvn> kicad whats that?
2017-02-27T09:56:28 < dongs> http://www.allpcb.com/supply/supplynote.aspx?id=335
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2017-02-27T10:04:38 < stvn> oy vey
2017-02-27T10:11:25 < upgrdman> hmm allpcb looks dirt cheap
2017-02-27T10:11:32 < upgrdman> do they charge a lot for shipping to make up
2017-02-27T10:11:34 < dongs> well thats cuz its not making anything
2017-02-27T10:11:40 < dongs> its just google for chink pcb makers
2017-02-27T10:11:46 < dongs> no i think its just cheap overall
2017-02-27T10:11:53 < dongs> try it out, i'm sure they're all aids
2017-02-27T10:12:06 < dongs> http://www.scc.com.cn/en/PCB.aspx?type=1
2017-02-27T10:12:08 < dongs> i like this
2017-02-27T10:12:48 < stvn> http://www.scc.com.cn/en/PCB.aspx?type=penises
2017-02-27T10:12:54 < stvn> roasted cock
2017-02-27T10:12:56 < upgrdman> oh wow, free shipping via hk post
2017-02-27T10:12:59 < upgrdman> not bad than
2017-02-27T10:13:14 < upgrdman> $5 for qty10 100x100mm 2layer
2017-02-27T10:13:29 < dongs> better make some arduiNO shields
2017-02-27T10:13:46 < upgrdman> shit at that price i'll just have them make me some perfboard
2017-02-27T10:13:58 < zyp> haha
2017-02-27T10:14:00 < dongs> pcbception
2017-02-27T10:14:04 < upgrdman> and so/sot/etc breakouts
2017-02-27T10:14:14 < zyp> dongs, status on shit?
2017-02-27T10:14:34 < zyp> arcins by the end of this week, you said that
2017-02-27T10:14:41 < zyp> but what about those other protos?
2017-02-27T10:14:49 < dongs> i think they've on the way to me
2017-02-27T10:14:55 < dongs> shti was done last week but some junk came up
2017-02-27T10:15:05 < zyp> and what do I owe you for assembling those 36 LL boards?
2017-02-27T10:15:17 < dongs> still gotta look at that too :( did that EMS ever show up
2017-02-27T10:15:32 < zyp> yeah, I think it showed up a few days after we talked about it
2017-02-27T10:15:41 < dongs> o ya delivered 2/14
2017-02-27T10:15:42 < dongs> cool
2017-02-27T10:15:47 < upgrdman> wtf. $5 for 10, but more expensive for >10. 
2017-02-27T10:15:55 < upgrdman> so i'd have to do like multiple orders
2017-02-27T10:15:59 < upgrdman> those faggots
2017-02-27T10:15:59 < dongs> you could
2017-02-27T10:16:05 < dongs> they dont care about time
2017-02-27T10:16:07 < zyp> dongs, anyway, I just need to know around how much you want for that to figure out how much I should bill them
2017-02-27T10:16:14 < dongs> ok. ill try to look at it this week
2017-02-27T10:16:18 < dongs> i gotta bill like $14k worth of shit
2017-02-27T10:16:21 < dongs> that has slightly higher priority
2017-02-27T10:16:26 < dongs> been assburgering that for months
2017-02-27T10:16:47 < zyp> just ballpark something now, we can discuss exact number later
2017-02-27T10:16:54 < stvn> sounds like the guy i used to do contract work for
2017-02-27T10:17:05 < stvn> 3 years later here's ya 14k bill
2017-02-27T10:17:38 < stvn> then my business partner would be dragged into 10 meetings and manage to get 10k back
2017-02-27T10:17:41 < stvn> still wasn't good enough
2017-02-27T10:19:13 < dongs> zyp, how much was it last time
2017-02-27T10:19:17 < dongs> + some extra bit for non-paid for parts
2017-02-27T10:19:27 < dongs> + uh.. whatever shipping was. my time is worthless basically
2017-02-27T10:19:32 < zyp> uh, I think $200-ish
2017-02-27T10:19:54 < dongs> shold i just call it 10bux per board and call it done
2017-02-27T10:19:59 < dongs> its not like YOU're paying anyway
2017-02-27T10:20:05 < dongs> or whateve,r idk
2017-02-27T10:20:15 < zyp> $360 works for me
2017-02-27T10:20:41 < dongs> done deal then.
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2017-02-27T10:25:35 < stvn> fat
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2017-02-27T10:38:56 < dongs> i think you mean fet
2017-02-27T10:40:32 < stvn> i think my housemates are trying to be niggeres
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2017-02-27T10:43:23 < stvn> when they start smashing things instead of sorting out their problems
2017-02-27T10:45:02 < stvn> didn't they gas all retards in japan?
2017-02-27T10:45:45 < stvn> oh nice that sounded like a hole in the wall
2017-02-27T10:45:57 < stvn> glad my name isn't on the rental lease
2017-02-27T10:47:33 < Steffanx> Pics or it didnt happen
2017-02-27T10:47:51 < stvn> yeah i have a pic of the garage door in 10 pieces
2017-02-27T10:48:56 < Steffanx> Are you sure your housement isnt one of your other personalities?
2017-02-27T10:49:05 < Steffanx> Housemate*
2017-02-27T10:49:22 < stvn> yes
2017-02-27T10:49:43 < stvn> i don't date. I use the root 'em and boot 'em system.
2017-02-27T10:52:07 < stvn> what's new steffan
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2017-02-27T11:00:22 < stvn> do you wanna cook some hotdogs
2017-02-27T11:00:58 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-02-27T11:01:31 < Steffanx> Sometimes i wish i could ignore you.
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2017-02-27T11:09:32 < stvn> sorry to hear
2017-02-27T11:09:59 < stvn> you only hear the waaambulance when I get +o yeah?
2017-02-27T11:14:18 < dongs> [x] I agree to the agreement of personal use data
2017-02-27T11:14:21 < dongs> way2go sony
2017-02-27T11:16:16 < sync_> they will be hacked anyway
2017-02-27T11:16:31 < dongs> yes
2017-02-27T11:17:25 < stvn> fuckin sony
2017-02-27T11:17:52 < stvn> its so fuckin dirty
2017-02-27T11:18:56 < sync_> dongs: how come that sony life is so big?
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2017-02-27T11:32:03 < stvn> stm32 life is the best
2017-02-27T11:32:08 < stvn> put those filthy jews to rest
2017-02-27T11:39:15 < dongs> wtf is sony life
2017-02-27T11:39:53 < stvn> basically being openly gay
2017-02-27T11:40:15 < stvn> pretty popular in JP as the girls don't put out
2017-02-27T11:43:21 < stvn> does that make sense
2017-02-27T11:49:28 < dongs> maybe to leelooman
2017-02-27T11:49:35 < dongs> hes the expert on openly gay
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2017-02-27T12:00:02 < dongs> what the hell cube
2017-02-27T12:00:06 < Thorn> why would anyone drive hexfets that power led strips with a constant current driver? does it mean they cannot into PWM and use linear mode?
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2017-02-27T12:00:26 < dongs> its not letting my choose "input capture direct moder" on generic stm32 timer pins
2017-02-27T12:00:34 < dongs> when i know its definitely possible
2017-02-27T12:00:38 < dongs> just regular input capture on all cahnnels
2017-02-27T12:01:07 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-27T12:01:20 < dongs> or rather, if I choose direct mode on TIMx_CH1
2017-02-27T12:01:22 < zyp> dongs, do you think chinagirl could source something like this? http://www.huawei.com/ucmf/groups/public/documents/webasset/hw_415752.pdf
2017-02-27T12:01:24 < dongs> its not letting me do same on  CH2
2017-02-27T12:01:35 < dongs> is that a SFP thing?
2017-02-27T12:01:42 < zyp> yes, SFP GPON ONT
2017-02-27T12:01:48 < dongs> lets ask
2017-02-27T12:01:51 < dongs> i think shes off just now tho
2017-02-27T12:02:02 < zyp> np
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2017-02-27T12:02:26 < zyp> I just got the fiber hooked up at new apartment, and I'm tempted to throw out the ONT they gave me
2017-02-27T12:02:31 < dongs> heh
2017-02-27T12:02:47 < dongs> is it one of those integrated all in one lunix running aidses
2017-02-27T12:02:58 < zyp> probably
2017-02-27T12:03:24 < zyp> anyway, I already figured out how to get superadmin access to get at the GPON auth info, so I figure I can clone it over to a different thing
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2017-02-27T12:07:28 < stvn> dongs, i remember similar issues with cube so i flushed it
2017-02-27T12:07:44 < stvn> aint got time to fuck spiders
2017-02-27T12:10:47 < dongs> sony already replied my email, shock
2017-02-27T12:10:54 < dongs> and they're not even rejecting me in teh first one.
2017-02-27T12:11:05 < dongs> maybe they learned soemthing
2017-02-27T12:11:50 < stvn> yeah, bravia is shit
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2017-02-27T12:16:49 < dongs> zyp, she says maybe.
2017-02-27T12:16:51 < dongs> will check tomrorow for sure
2017-02-27T12:16:53 < dongs> but looks like availble
2017-02-27T12:19:51 < Steffanx> Does dongs have a red phone style connection with chinagirl? Instant responses.
2017-02-27T12:20:05 < dongs> pretty much
2017-02-27T12:20:14 < dongs> hot chats directly to her iphone
2017-02-27T12:20:19 < dongs> anytime of the day or night
2017-02-27T12:22:29 < zyp> dongs, that's cool, let me know when you have a price
2017-02-27T12:22:32 < dongs> yep
2017-02-27T12:22:39 < dongs> do you think that will work wiht jappu stuff?
2017-02-27T12:22:47 < dongs> not that I care, my ONU is just a simple media converter box
2017-02-27T12:22:49 < zyp> also, I need to figure out if I can clone serial to it
2017-02-27T12:22:51 < dongs> taht spits out gigabutt ethernet
2017-02-27T12:23:00 < zyp> idk, if it's GPON then it might
2017-02-27T12:24:04 < Thorn> what is the lowest reasonable cost for a rs-485 driver? I found "max485" for $.07 on aliexpress
2017-02-27T12:24:12 < dongs> around taht, or less
2017-02-27T12:24:28 < dongs> i bought them in thousands , i think it was cheaper
2017-02-27T12:24:42 < Thorn> qty 50
2017-02-27T12:25:22 < Thorn> (I assume CAN is far more expensive?)
2017-02-27T12:25:22 < dongs> zyp: http://www.ntt-east.co.jp/databook/pdf/2016_allpage.pdf
2017-02-27T12:25:32 < dongs> thorn, probly not
2017-02-27T12:27:26 < dongs> damn, lots of words in that pdf and nothing useful
2017-02-27T12:28:22 < dongs> page 41 looks like a system diagram but none of hte devices are named
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2017-02-27T12:29:41 < dongs> 8way splitter
2017-02-27T12:30:30 < dongs> someone made that document in excel no doubt
2017-02-27T12:31:09 < dongs> i think old bflets stuff was B-PON and new shit is G-PON
2017-02-27T12:36:25 < dongs> http://www.nyquistcapital.com/2006/01/20/ntt-ge-pon-hardware-pr0n/ lul
2017-02-27T12:36:27 < dongs> oldie but goodie
2017-02-27T12:36:30 < dongs> japan leads in HIGH TECH
2017-02-27T12:36:39 < dongs> dual FPGA beacuse why use standards?
2017-02-27T12:38:54 < dongs> http://www.nyquistcapital.com/about-us/forum-info/  i like this
2017-02-27T12:39:00 < dongs> IRC needs a similar structure
2017-02-27T12:40:21 < Steffanx> Irc doesnt nees structure.
2017-02-27T12:40:26 < Steffanx> Need
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2017-02-27T12:47:57 < zyp> hmm
2017-02-27T12:47:59 < zyp> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=575690
2017-02-27T12:48:10 < zyp> here's somebody hacking a similar shit to the huawei sfp
2017-02-27T12:51:19 < Steffanx> Lol. Lunix on that module ?! :D
2017-02-27T12:52:04 < zyp> yeah, I bet the huawei thing is similar
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2017-02-27T13:00:03 < dongs> https://tokyo.craigslist.jp/lab/6007119391.html zyp found
2017-02-27T13:01:37 < zyp> haha
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2017-02-27T13:10:05 < Steffanx> Maybe you can hire him as your personal Gary Niger, dongs.
2017-02-27T13:10:38 < Steffanx> Nein.
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2017-02-27T13:37:44 < stvn> senpai meet gary
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2017-02-27T13:52:36 < stvn> i just want my fuckin transistor
2017-02-27T13:54:34 < stvn> http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/MJL21193.SP3
2017-02-27T13:55:12 < stvn> too many redirects?! i'll fist it
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2017-02-27T14:00:40 < Laurenceb> https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Drop-The-Soap/dp/B00G6M3V5M
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2017-02-27T14:05:32 < stvn> yea?
2017-02-27T14:06:03 < stvn> do you like power transistors Laurenceb ?
2017-02-27T14:06:14 < Laurenceb> no
2017-02-27T14:06:48 < Tectu> and nobody should
2017-02-27T14:16:14 < stvn> why
2017-02-27T14:20:02 < PeterM> dats rood techcoo
2017-02-27T14:20:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmr3nJWqB1o
2017-02-27T14:21:13 < stvn> bad link
2017-02-27T14:23:18 < PeterM> alt + f4 irl
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2017-02-27T14:27:08 < Laurenceb> http://auticon.co.uk/
2017-02-27T14:31:19 < Steffanx>  /topic 
2017-02-27T14:33:57 < stvn> fucking hell i think the reactor just blew up downstairs
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2017-02-27T14:39:12 < stvn> my housemates have started a game of chernobyl nuclear physic
2017-02-27T14:39:13 < stvn> s
2017-02-27T14:42:18 < nikomo> would this be stupid: BOOT and a GPIO pin, connected together, with a capacitor. GPIO high to charge cap, software reset to jump to bootloader?
2017-02-27T14:42:36 < nikomo> or can you just jump to bootloader directly somehow?
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2017-02-27T14:45:08 < nikomo> just got a stackoverflow link linked to me on another channel - that's doable, but you apparently can also jump to bootloader, it's just messy
2017-02-27T14:46:07 < Steffanx> But purely sw solution = <3
2017-02-27T14:46:59 < stvn> will growing a beard make me better at C
2017-02-27T14:47:10 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-02-27T14:47:30 < nikomo> this stackoverflow thread has a guy who implemented it by setting a byte in a backup register and then doing a soft-reset. then at start of execution check that, and jump to bootloader, because the CPU is still at the default config
2017-02-27T14:47:32 < PeterM> only c99 though
2017-02-27T14:47:54 < PeterM> growing a beard has no effect on c11
2017-02-27T14:48:15 < Steffanx> Better go hipster stvn.
2017-02-27T14:48:28 < stvn> how
2017-02-27T14:48:37 < stvn> do i start dating a man?
2017-02-27T14:48:41 < stvn> is that hipster?
2017-02-27T14:49:29 < Steffanx> Do you have glasses?
2017-02-27T14:49:32 < stvn> no
2017-02-27T14:49:40 < stvn> i'll get them when i start walking into walls
2017-02-27T14:50:11 < Steffanx> Better get some with "normal" glasses. Coloured isallowed too
2017-02-27T14:50:20 < PeterM> speaking of glasses
2017-02-27T14:50:27 < PeterM> had my first eye test in like 10 years
2017-02-27T14:50:37 < stvn> mm?
2017-02-27T14:50:38 < PeterM> aparrently even  with my glasses on i can't fuckign see shit
2017-02-27T14:50:55 < Steffanx> Lol. 
2017-02-27T14:50:58 < stvn> neat
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2017-02-27T14:51:25 < stvn> ah damn i forgot to pester tec2
2017-02-27T14:51:36 < Steffanx> I did that for you
2017-02-27T14:52:08 < PeterM> went from -0.75 in one eye to -2.5 and in the other i went from -1.75 to -3.25
2017-02-27T14:52:22 < Steffanx> Yes that is semi-blind
2017-02-27T14:52:56 < stvn> are you 40 years old?
2017-02-27T14:53:39 < PeterM> not even :(
2017-02-27T14:53:42 < Steffanx> Age doesnt matter. Arent we all 13 yo?
2017-02-27T14:53:42 < stvn> hmm
2017-02-27T14:53:49 < stvn> yeah true stfn
2017-02-27T14:53:51 < PeterM> im 12 at heart
2017-02-27T14:54:02 < stvn> i'm about 12 at everything
2017-02-27T14:54:22 < stvn> you knows
2017-02-27T14:54:40 < Steffanx> I see they also talk about the capacitor solution nikomo, but i would prefer thr sw solution
2017-02-27T14:55:00 < stvn> capacitors fix everything
2017-02-27T14:55:08 < nikomo> meh, doesn't hurt to have the footprints on board
2017-02-27T14:56:28 < stvn> thats what you get from china, 50% unpopulated boards
2017-02-27T14:56:52 < nikomo> 1) they work 2) they're getting them sold ;)
2017-02-27T14:57:13 < stvn> well working for 1 day is sufficient
2017-02-27T14:57:29 < englishman> nikomo: yeah you can jump to rom bootloader
2017-02-27T14:57:47 < englishman> this guy does it with a magic number + system reset https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/baseflight_startups/startup_stm32f10x_md.s#L129-L179
2017-02-27T14:58:23 < Steffanx> Yes thats what stackoverflower did too englishman
2017-02-27T14:58:29 < Steffanx> But in readablec.
2017-02-27T14:58:34 < Steffanx> Readable c
2017-02-27T14:58:36 < englishman> ah yea i should read entire chats
2017-02-27T14:58:41 < englishman> thats too easy
2017-02-27T14:59:03 < englishman> and theres no link to the stinkoverflow so i can copypaste
2017-02-27T14:59:04 < Steffanx> Nah stackoverflow link wasnt posted
2017-02-27T14:59:07 < englishman> ^^
2017-02-27T14:59:23 < nikomo> I've always just done small stuff on avr, I hope this doesn't end up being a PITA
2017-02-27T14:59:41 < englishman> sram isnt cleared on system reset either, so technically entire sram is a backup register in this case
2017-02-27T14:59:45 < nikomo> thinking I'll use libopencm3 right now
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2017-02-27T15:12:57 < aandrew> what's the difference between 7700k and 7700? 
2017-02-27T15:13:07 < kakimir> overclocking
2017-02-27T15:13:25 < kakimir> k is OC
2017-02-27T15:13:32 < aandrew> dongs: actually most scopes are regular old PC systems with a fancy-ass PCie acquisition system
2017-02-27T15:14:04 < kakimir> would anyone like to remotelly check out my build problem in eclipse/lpcxpresso?
2017-02-27T15:14:42 < PeterM> no
2017-02-27T15:14:56 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-27T15:18:41 < aandrew> nikomo: that cap boot0 thing sounds like a bad idea
2017-02-27T15:19:07 < aandrew> will likely work fine but you're begging for some shit startup race conditions under normal circumstances
2017-02-27T15:19:55 < nikomo> still gonna put the footprints there. but I'm not gonna populate them unless I give up on the software side
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2017-02-27T15:21:27 < aandrew> nikomo: what's the actual desired operation?
2017-02-27T15:21:34 < aandrew> be able to reset into bootloader?
2017-02-27T15:21:57 < nikomo> yes. I was thinking user presses update mode, bleep bloop into the bootloader it boops
2017-02-27T15:22:04 < nikomo> (the built-in DFU bl)
2017-02-27T15:22:52 < nikomo> I should point out this is really theoretical at this point since I'm still going through stm32 docs, seeing if the peripherals fit what I need
2017-02-27T15:22:55 < aandrew> got specs on the DFU BL? I guess you could always corrupt yourself before rebooting so the BL can't boot you but that is a hack and a half
2017-02-27T15:23:08 < aandrew> generally I have a magic number system, I reserve the topmost dword in SRAM and check it on boot
2017-02-27T15:23:15 < aandrew> if it's not magic, I try to boot the normal image
2017-02-27T15:23:24 < aandrew> but that's with my own bootloaders, maybe DFU has something similar
2017-02-27T15:23:36 < nikomo> that seems to be what a lot of people do
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2017-02-27T15:23:58 < aandrew> probably because it's the most sane method
2017-02-27T15:24:53 < nikomo> mildly worried as to how that's going to fit with libopencm3. if the clock setup etc. happens before execution even gets to my code, jumping into the bl won't work
2017-02-27T15:25:23 < nikomo> I don't know how ST's bl works, so that's a bit annoying
2017-02-27T15:26:26 < englishman> what's the issue? you found one example that works and i pasted another one
2017-02-27T15:26:42 < englishman> or is there another question that i missed
2017-02-27T15:27:34 < nikomo> the stackoverflow I found was just a general description without code, as to how the guy solved his problem, and you just posted some gibberish asm for a platform I've never touched before
2017-02-27T15:27:37 < englishman> 100% software solutions that you can test on your discoveryboard before making hardware
2017-02-27T15:27:55 < englishman> gibberish asm
2017-02-27T15:27:56 < englishman> ok
2017-02-27T15:27:57 < nikomo> I'm mostly worried as to how adding in libopencm3 to the mix will affect things
2017-02-27T15:28:37 < englishman> how would it
2017-02-27T15:28:52 < englishman> if you do the startupfile method, its way before any library is touched
2017-02-27T15:28:55 < nikomo> this is the SO I found http://stackoverflow.com/a/26958578
2017-02-27T15:29:03 < nikomo> this is the part that concerned me: "I managed to do this kind of things on STM32F1xx project. However, on a more complex project based on STM32F4, this would become really difficult... I would have to stop all devices (timers, communication interface, ADC, DAC,...), ensure that no IRQ would be triggered, reconfigure all the clocks,..."
2017-02-27T15:29:34 < englishman> that's where the system reset comes in
2017-02-27T15:29:35 < nikomo> so, I'm not sure what libopencm3 is doing before my code starts running. which I suppose would be a question for #libopencm3
2017-02-27T15:31:42 < englishman> id certainly hope it doesnt touch any peripheral registers without you telling it to, that would be very annoying from a peripheral library
2017-02-27T15:33:09 < nikomo> the standard hello world starts with enabling peripheral clock and setting mode on gpio pin. I don't see any system clock setup anywhere, which I've been lead to believe is a thing on ARM that you kinda need
2017-02-27T15:33:55 < englishman> default chip reset state has it running off of HSI
2017-02-27T15:34:41 < englishman> from there you can set up a more specific clock from internal or external, and higher freq
2017-02-27T15:34:58 < kakimir> does watchdog "trigger" or "trip" ?
2017-02-27T15:35:32 < kakimir> what is the correct term for when watchdog runs out of time
2017-02-27T15:36:32 < nikomo> I disassembly the example hello world, I'm terrible with reading this, but there's at least a reset handler function in here, I'm just going to assume it's called somewhere
2017-02-27T15:37:08 < nikomo> I'll annoy the guys on #libopencm3 a bit
2017-02-27T15:45:36 < aandrew> nikomo: that seems odd, I wonder if you could just disable IRQs, disable the clock to the NVIC and reboot, although i'm quite surprised that triggering a watchdog reset wouldn't correctly reset the NVIC
2017-02-27T15:46:38 < aandrew> I was going ot ask why go with opencm3 but it looks like it supports multiple vendors (not just STM32) which looks nice
2017-02-27T15:46:47 < aandrew> from the "learn one lib, use several places" aspect
2017-02-27T15:47:26 < aandrew> kakimir: I usually say trip but I'm not known to use the right words
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2017-02-27T15:48:10 < aandrew> I'm the guy who taught an entire course and pronounced the word "syl-LAB-us" instead of "SILL-ibus"
2017-02-27T15:48:13 < nikomo> aandrew: also because last time I mentioned looking at stm32, I had half of #hackvana going "dude you should use libopencm3" :D
2017-02-27T15:48:15 < kakimir> watchdog trips when it runs out of time and triggers action
2017-02-27T15:48:42 < aandrew> I also refer to resetting the watchdog (so it doesn't trip) as kicking the watchdog
2017-02-27T15:48:47 < nikomo> AFAIK opencm3 outside of stm32 is kinda crap
2017-02-27T15:48:48 < aandrew> when I guess the better word would be petting the watchdog
2017-02-27T15:48:57 < nikomo> I believe the accepted term is feeding
2017-02-27T15:48:58 < aandrew> nikomo: sounds like a shitty thing to use then
2017-02-27T15:49:12 < nikomo> not really if you're only interested in stm32?
2017-02-27T15:49:16 < aandrew> feed the watchdog cut up clock springs in steak
2017-02-27T15:49:33 < aandrew> nikomo: if you're only interested in stm32, use cube, tha'ts what is supported
2017-02-27T15:50:10 < nikomo> so far every vendor-provided thing for every microcontroller has made me regret breathing
2017-02-27T15:50:20 < aandrew> heh in general I agree 100%
2017-02-27T15:50:43 < aandrew> I *hate* lpcexpresso, Atmel's was passable, PICs is total shit
2017-02-27T15:50:58 < aandrew> I've had reasonable success with cube, although the HAL code itself makes me want to vomit
2017-02-27T15:50:59 < nikomo> microchip's IDE made me wish I was breathing VX instead of O
2017-02-27T15:51:03 < aandrew> oh god
2017-02-27T15:51:09 < aandrew> yes, that's why I do it all from the command line
2017-02-27T15:51:39 < aandrew> xc/16/32 all work fine and there's an mcp.sh which will let you flash from command line too, but amusingly it needs java
2017-02-27T15:51:56 < aandrew> have not tried to gdb with it, not sure if that's even possible
2017-02-27T15:51:58 < karlp_> aandrew: I think for some people the choice of libcopencm3 vs hal/cube is whether they like reading codes in caps or in lower case...
2017-02-27T15:52:16 < nikomo> a bathtub full of VX. I'd rather have that, than xc8 where the compiler starts yelling at my longer-than-preferred _delay_us() because I'm a peasant without a paid license
2017-02-27T15:52:31 < aandrew> nikomo: there are ways around that
2017-02-27T15:52:40 < nikomo> I know. but the VX sounds so relaxing
2017-02-27T15:52:54 < aandrew> after the initial spasms, I think you're right
2017-02-27T15:52:56 < karlp_> what's VX?
2017-02-27T15:53:07 < sync_> a nerve agent
2017-02-27T15:53:13 < aandrew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VX_(nerve_agent)
2017-02-27T15:53:32 < karlp_> takk
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2017-02-27T15:54:46 < aandrew> "VX blocks the action of acetylcholinesterase, resulting in an accumulation of acetylcholine in the space between the neuron and muscle cell, leading to uncontrolled muscle contraction. This results in initial violent contractions, followed by sustained supercontraction restricted to the subjunctional endplate sarcoplasm and prolonged depolarizing neuromuscular blockade, the latter resulting in flaccid paralysis of all the muscles in the body.
2017-02-27T15:54:52 < aandrew> sounds absolutely horrible
2017-02-27T15:55:11 < nikomo> breathe in, oops can't breathe out
2017-02-27T15:55:34 < aandrew> although a lot of those blistering agents sound equally horrifying
2017-02-27T15:55:40 < sync_> yeah
2017-02-27T15:55:46 < sync_> I think VX would be more pleasant
2017-02-27T15:57:10 < aandrew> I suspect the shock from VX exposure would mask a lot of the pain/sufferring before death. not sure if the same occurs with blistering agents
2017-02-27T15:57:20 < aandrew> although if your lungs are blistered I suspect you're in a lot of shock as well
2017-02-27T15:58:01 < nikomo> I swear every time I invade a channel with one of my stupid questions, I manage to steer the channel to talk about something uncomfortable
2017-02-27T15:59:05 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-02-27T15:59:23 < aandrew> well we pretty much solved your issue for now, so now it's time to, as put often in here, autism
2017-02-27T15:59:49 < nikomo> aye, I got some good answers on #libopencm3, shouldn't be a problem
2017-02-27T15:59:55 < aandrew> pretty much all nerve agents seem to workthe same way - fuck up the function of acetylcholinesterase
2017-02-27T15:59:58 < nikomo> and if it is, I'll worry about it later
2017-02-27T16:00:23 < karlp_> (the answers were the same as you got here aren't they?)
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2017-02-27T16:01:02 < nikomo> well you should bloody know, you're the one who answered me mostly :D
2017-02-27T16:01:24 < nikomo> also atx
2017-02-27T16:01:32 < kakimir> should I even have support for 3 digit baudrates?
2017-02-27T16:01:49 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-02-27T16:01:55 < kakimir> in interactive interface
2017-02-27T16:02:12 < aandrew> kakimir: do you really want to piss off the 300 baud users?
2017-02-27T16:02:27 < aandrew> they might boycot and you wouldn't be able to sell that one unit they'd buy
2017-02-27T16:02:45 < karlp> kakimir: I support 600 baud on something I built, but excluded 300 baud. 
2017-02-27T16:02:58 < karlp> only included 600 because it still fit with the timer dividers I had.
2017-02-27T16:03:02 < karlp> so it was "free"
2017-02-27T16:03:05 < aandrew> you can damn near visually decode LED blinking at 300 baud
2017-02-27T16:03:08 < karlp> but I would never explicitly add support for 600 baud.
2017-02-27T16:03:31 < kakimir> should I have support for 90baud?
2017-02-27T16:03:53 < kakimir> :) jk
2017-02-27T16:04:34 < nikomo> "But I found next solution: erase FLASH memory and reboot MCU." how about I don't follow this guy's advice
2017-02-27T16:04:49 < aandrew> nikomo: yes, that's the tactical nuke option
2017-02-27T16:04:55 < aandrew> it guarantees you'll stay in bootloader :-)
2017-02-27T16:05:33 < nikomo> also I found this video on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvKC-4tCRgw
2017-02-27T16:08:59 < Steffanx> Just copy paste deadbeef c code nikomo :)
2017-02-27T16:09:26 < englishman> yeah this could have been solved an hour ago
2017-02-27T16:09:34 < englishman> theres even an equivalent startupfile for gcc in same repo
2017-02-27T16:09:46 < karlp> got hit with the vx, can't type anything but irc chatz
2017-02-27T16:10:23 < karlp> xilinx is putting all of emeb's boards in one package: http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/soc/rfsoc.html?utm_campaign=rfsofsoc&utm_source=prn&utm_medium=pr-r2&utm_term=rfsoc&utm_content=oc/rfsoc.html
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2017-02-27T16:11:04 < englishman> the calling function is here, even https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_system.c#L200-L213
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2017-02-27T16:17:18 < Steffanx> You can do it nikomo. \o\ You can do it nikomo /o/
2017-02-27T16:17:26 < Steffanx> Need more motivation?
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2017-02-27T16:30:01 < nikomo> lol
2017-02-27T16:30:25 < nikomo> Next I need to read up on the peripherals, but for my application I reckon they're sufficient 
2017-02-27T16:30:30 < englishman> emeb-on-a-chip
2017-02-27T16:30:33 < englishman> EoC
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2017-02-27T17:31:39 < Thorn> what is a fair price for 100 pcs of pin headers (PLS-40)?
2017-02-27T17:35:13 < kakimir> how do I add source folder to eclipse project?
2017-02-27T17:35:15 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Depends on quality of them
2017-02-27T17:36:31 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: You can copy it or link and then add to C/C++ project: http://i.imgur.com/XUri0rV.png
2017-02-27T17:37:01 < kakimir> I need to link it inside my project loc?
2017-02-27T17:37:14 < kakimir> because that thing works only inside the project
2017-02-27T17:37:36 < LeelooMinai> You can copy or link or make os symlink - a lot of ways
2017-02-27T17:37:40 < kakimir> is there a way to link it using eclipse or do I need to make a link manually?
2017-02-27T17:37:49 < kakimir> is there eclipse way to do it?
2017-02-27T17:37:57 < kakimir> check some box
2017-02-27T17:38:17 < LeelooMinai> Right click on project, create, folder
2017-02-27T17:38:32 < kakimir> oh
2017-02-27T17:38:38 < LeelooMinai> Then expand the advanced button: http://i.imgur.com/nkx1nah.png
2017-02-27T17:38:51 < LeelooMinai> And you have choices.
2017-02-27T17:39:31 < LeelooMinai> Link is eclipse sort of symbolink link./
2017-02-27T17:39:39 < LeelooMinai> symbolic*
2017-02-27T17:39:45 < kakimir> I need to just link the scr folder?
2017-02-27T17:40:13 < kakimir> not headers?
2017-02-27T17:40:26 < aandrew> wtf's an emeb
2017-02-27T17:40:33 < LeelooMinai> In theory, yes - but you will need to see how it goes. I use gcc, so sometimes I just use os symlinks not to have the gcc confused.
2017-02-27T17:42:49 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: On ali they sell 100 of gold plated for $35.
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2017-02-27T17:44:23 < englishman> the guy at intel responsible for this http://i.imgur.com/KXX73rN.png
2017-02-27T17:44:38 < englishman> now "retired"
2017-02-27T17:45:56 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: you mind to look this thing over remote?
2017-02-27T17:46:26 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Er, but what - you still have problems?
2017-02-27T17:46:36 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-27T17:46:50 < Laurenceb_> ADALM1000
2017-02-27T17:47:11 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Ask questions, but no remote.
2017-02-27T17:47:16 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: What about it?
2017-02-27T17:47:58 < LeelooMinai> Or is it a new meme or something? :)
2017-02-27T17:48:29 < kakimir> undefined reference to
2017-02-27T17:48:53 < LeelooMinai> Are you using libraries?
2017-02-27T17:49:19 < kakimir> I added linked source and include folders to source folders
2017-02-27T17:49:40 < LeelooMinai> No, includes are handled separatelly - remove them from source files.
2017-02-27T17:49:41 < englishman> $AMD at $15 jeebus christ
2017-02-27T17:50:22 < kakimir> I linked includes in changed include the linked folder instead of the original folder
2017-02-27T17:50:29 < kakimir> *and
2017-02-27T17:50:42 < kakimir> seems not to cause any problem
2017-02-27T17:51:16 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I mean in the C/C++ General dialog. You specify includes in Preprocessor Include Paths and Symbols.
2017-02-27T17:51:40 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-27T17:51:41 < kakimir> done
2017-02-27T17:51:41 < LeelooMinai> And do not put them in that source tab - that's for .cpp and .c files 
2017-02-27T17:52:03 < kakimir> linked source folder in source location tab - check
2017-02-27T17:54:24 < kakimir> should I add something in "libraries" and "library paths"
2017-02-27T17:54:38 < kakimir> libraries have like /lpc_chip_15xx
2017-02-27T17:55:02 < kakimir> and library paths have ie. /lpc_chip_15xx/Debug
2017-02-27T17:55:09 < LeelooMinai> IN libraries you add names, without extension, and in path path to where they are.
2017-02-27T17:55:41 < kakimir> but do I need to add that linked source somewhere else than sources tab
2017-02-27T17:56:00 < LeelooMinai> No
2017-02-27T17:56:28 < kakimir> why is it not workings
2017-02-27T17:56:49 < LeelooMinai> What is the message?
2017-02-27T17:57:09 < kakimir> undefined reference to
2017-02-27T17:57:18 < kakimir> function "blaa"
2017-02-27T17:57:54 < LeelooMinai> Well, first track where the function is - what header is it defined in and in what library it sits.
2017-02-27T17:58:25 < kakimir> C:\Users\Janne\Documents\LPCXpresso_8.2.2_650\workspace\Triakkiohjain\Debug/../src/Triakkiohjain.c:1063: undefined reference to `quick_pow10_ui32'
2017-02-27T17:59:04 < kakimir> I don't think it's a library
2017-02-27T17:59:24 < kakimir> just source files added to project and headers included
2017-02-27T17:59:30 < LeelooMinai> Yes, so first you need to relize where that quick_pow10_ui32 is supposed to be in.
2017-02-27T18:00:14 < kakimir> in build source paths
2017-02-27T18:00:38 < LeelooMinai> No, I mean track the header for it.
2017-02-27T18:01:10 < kakimir> header is workin okay message would be different if not
2017-02-27T18:01:40 < kakimir> it would say "implicit declaration of function"
2017-02-27T18:01:54 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but knowing which header it is in, you can probably guess which library it is supposed to be in.
2017-02-27T18:02:28 < kakimir> quickpow10.h
2017-02-27T18:02:51 < LeelooMinai> Yes, and do you see a .c file with that name somewhere?
2017-02-27T18:03:10 < kakimir> yes
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2017-02-27T18:03:38 < kakimir> in source file which folder I linked in my project
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2017-02-27T18:04:03 < LeelooMinai> And when you build the project, do you see that file being compiled even?
2017-02-27T18:04:44 < kakimir> nope
2017-02-27T18:04:50 < kakimir> it only builds local stuff
2017-02-27T18:05:52 < kakimir> I need to add that linked folder to some other stuff too
2017-02-27T18:06:49 < LeelooMinai> Well, you need to add that to that source dialog - then it should build.
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2017-02-27T18:07:56 < LeelooMinai> But, as I said - if you have problems, it may be due to the toolchain. The bullet-proof way is to copy the sources directly, without doing Eclipse link, or doing OS symbolic link.
2017-02-27T18:07:57 < kakimir> I think it needs to be in those library things
2017-02-27T18:08:33 < nikomo> I was looking at an errata. This might be a dumb question, but how can a 16-bit ADC experience 30 LSB of error?
2017-02-27T18:08:33 < LeelooMinai> Library means that you need a separate project for it and build it as a library.
2017-02-27T18:08:55 < LeelooMinai> nikomo: Yes, if it's bad.
2017-02-27T18:08:59 < kakimir> anything that works is okay
2017-02-27T18:09:04 < kakimir> library or not
2017-02-27T18:09:24 < nikomo> LSB, least significant bit. 30 LSB, 30 bits. on a 16-bit ADC
2017-02-27T18:09:29 < kakimir> those lpc_chip_151x and other projects work okay with my project
2017-02-27T18:09:35 < kakimir> out of the box
2017-02-27T18:09:43 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: The simplest way is just to create normal directory in your project, say src_<library here> and copy the *c files there and add it to build sources.
2017-02-27T18:09:54 < nikomo> I don't understand how that's mathematically possible. does it just mean you can't trust any of the bits coming out of the ADC during that error situation?
2017-02-27T18:09:55 < LeelooMinai> Same with includes
2017-02-27T18:10:13 < kakimir> it is
2017-02-27T18:10:33 < Laurenceb_> You're not ready to fight a real badger until you slay the badger within you, lad. You're making progress but it's not time yet. We will kidnap you and lock you in a storage container with a badger
2017-02-27T18:11:01 < LeelooMinai> nikomo: It does not may 30 bits size - it means 30 out of 1^16
2017-02-27T18:11:08 < LeelooMinai> 2^16
2017-02-27T18:11:10 < Laurenceb_> I think badgerposting is better than sealposting tbh
2017-02-27T18:11:20 < nikomo> oooooooh
2017-02-27T18:12:29 < LeelooMinai> may=mean*
2017-02-27T18:12:59 < LeelooMinai> Damn, I was just writing code, checking my moms bank statement, talking here, and try to watch youtube at the same time.
2017-02-27T18:13:29 < Laurenceb_>  checking my moms basement
2017-02-27T18:13:32 < Laurenceb_> ftfy
2017-02-27T18:13:50 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: What was that about the AD board?
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2017-02-27T18:14:19 < Laurenceb_> my c&p malfunctioned
2017-02-27T18:14:31 < LeelooMinai> The what?
2017-02-27T18:14:35 < LeelooMinai> A, ok...
2017-02-27T18:16:17 < kakimir> is eclipse like a real clusterfuck or is it just me?
2017-02-27T18:16:24 < aandrew> 99% of build problems that occur when using Eclips occur because of Eclipse and have nothing to do with the toolchain
2017-02-27T18:16:50 < aandrew> Eclipse might be a nice IDE but its wonton desire to thread its way into the build system is psychotic
2017-02-27T18:17:44 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: It's more that the toolchains are kind of "out of the water" inside eclipse and also in general C++ is kind of chaotic with the whole build process. 
2017-02-27T18:17:45 < kakimir> you fix my eclipse problems aandrew ?
2017-02-27T18:18:13 < LeelooMinai> C/C++ 
2017-02-27T18:18:35 < LeelooMinai> gcc is not even in own territory on Windows itself.
2017-02-27T18:19:37 < LeelooMinai> I remember how I had to use capital .S for assembly files, because *.s would not work:)
2017-02-27T18:20:01 < LeelooMinai> Things like that - kind of sad.
2017-02-27T18:20:28 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, seems Intel dropped some prices.
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2017-02-27T18:21:06 < kakimir> ryzen is real?
2017-02-27T18:21:07 < LeelooMinai> Instead fo whining about AMD people should be thankful that at least it exists imo.
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2017-02-27T18:21:38 < nikomo> Ryzen is legit af
2017-02-27T18:22:09 < nikomo> It's got Intel shitting their pants, they're already falling back on their old tactics. And it's not even March 2 yet
2017-02-27T18:22:14 < LeelooMinai> The more competition, the better.
2017-02-27T18:22:49 < nikomo> Competition doesn't matter much if people don't actually buy AMD's chips. Gotta stay in business to keep competing
2017-02-27T18:23:04 < LeelooMinai> Well, alive competition of course:)
2017-02-27T18:23:35 < nikomo> Also, the server products are months out, which is a problem
2017-02-27T18:23:52 < LeelooMinai> But overall the whole CPU situation is sad - nothing happens for years.
2017-02-27T18:24:15 < LeelooMinai> They are almost starting to go backwards even.
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2017-02-27T18:25:08 < nikomo> Dark silicon is a big problem. I suspect AMD's new design was designed with it in mind.
2017-02-27T18:25:59 < LeelooMinai> lol, i7-6700K frop from $400 to $260. You can kind of see that they were just overpricing to get as much money from people as possible.
2017-02-27T18:26:29 < LeelooMinai> Gamers, etc.
2017-02-27T18:27:30 < nikomo> Didn't the 6900K drop like $200? And it's still $400+ too much
2017-02-27T18:28:56 < LeelooMinai> I am not really "sitting" in that CPU stuff - my CPU is like 5 yo and there's still no good reason to upgrade.
2017-02-27T18:29:25 < LeelooMinai> Some older i5 K overclocked to 4.2GHz
2017-02-27T18:29:44 < nikomo> My FX-8320 is a bit painful, but I'm not switching yet
2017-02-27T18:29:58 < nikomo> I want to see Ryzen 5 and 3
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2017-02-27T18:30:29 < LeelooMinai> I don't know what those are, but I wonder if the 8 cores one would be faster at parallel compile than what I have now - in theory it should be.
2017-02-27T18:31:00 < LeelooMinai> But seems that real benchmarks are not out yet, but soon (?)
2017-02-27T18:31:39 < nikomo> March 2 is when NDA ends
2017-02-27T18:31:51 < nikomo> Ryzen 7 is the new CPUs coming out now
2017-02-27T18:32:00 < nikomo> 5 and 3 are the lower end ones
2017-02-27T18:32:22 < nikomo> I believe Ryzen 5 is 6 cores, 12 threads
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2017-02-27T18:43:21 < karlp> what's "dark silicon" ?
2017-02-27T18:43:45 < aandrew> kakimir: hell no.
2017-02-27T18:43:54 < aandrew> my solution to eclipse problems is to remove eclipse from the equation
2017-02-27T18:45:09 < englishman> karlp: probably talking about chip binning
2017-02-27T18:45:24 < LeelooMinai> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_silicon
2017-02-27T18:45:28 < englishman> but you mostly hear about that on graphics cards
2017-02-27T18:45:35 < englishman> which are far more parallel
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2017-02-27T18:46:05 < LeelooMinai> It's a problem with low-voltage used: seems that it prevents having too many of the areas on the die on.
2017-02-27T18:48:09 < LeelooMinai> So basically they are at the point that if you powered too many of the CPU subsystems on, it would explode:)
2017-02-27T18:48:59 < LeelooMinai> Or run them at 100% I guess.
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2017-02-27T19:03:33 < emeb> PWM all the circuits
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2017-02-27T19:04:00 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Don't give up:)  Eclipse is like a wild horse - you need to tame it, but then it will serve you well.
2017-02-27T19:05:02 < emeb> A wild horse that, even after you tamed it occasionally bucks you off and tears apart the stall.
2017-02-27T19:05:35 < LeelooMinai> It's the greatest of all the horses in the stable still:p
2017-02-27T19:05:48 < karlp> emeb: did you see xilinx's new "rfsoc" ? adcs+dacs on the fpga block: http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/soc/rfsoc.html?utm_campaign=rfsofsoc&utm_source=prn&utm_medium=pr-r2&utm_term=rfsoc&utm_content=oc/rfsoc.html
2017-02-27T19:06:08  * emeb prefers his little burro (editor + gcc)
2017-02-27T19:06:14 < emeb> karlp: yes - saw that.
2017-02-27T19:06:38 < LeelooMinai> And the prices are making people faint?
2017-02-27T19:06:47 < emeb> Looks pretty cool except: 1) No dates for when it's available, B) No estimates on prices (that I saw).
2017-02-27T19:07:09 < emeb> My guess - it's base-station grade stuff that's not "for the rest of us"
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2017-02-27T19:07:45 < emeb> I've built boards with $1200 FPGAs on them and I'm guess those will look like a bargain compared to this stuff.
2017-02-27T19:07:51 < LeelooMinai> I can already see all the IPs required, each costing $$$ and pain involved in getting something running, etc.
2017-02-27T19:08:10 < LeelooMinai> Not exactly useful for hobbyists etc.
2017-02-27T19:08:17 < emeb> Exactly
2017-02-27T19:11:05 < emeb> In other news, Lattice now has ice40UltraPlus - 50% more logic, 1Mbit on-chip single-port SRAM and 8 DSP blocks in a QFN48 for $6
2017-02-27T19:11:43 < LeelooMinai> And, let me guess, BGA pitch that will make people want to hang themselves? :)
2017-02-27T19:11:54 < emeb> see above - QFN48
2017-02-27T19:11:59 < sync_> meh single port
2017-02-27T19:12:13 < sync_> well, 1mm bga is not too bad
2017-02-27T19:12:23 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I guess I need to check the website... But I kind of given up on FPGAs.
2017-02-27T19:12:26 < karlp> ice40 ultra is not compatible with the icestorm stuff is it, that's only ice40hx/lx?
2017-02-27T19:12:32 < emeb> sync_: that's for bulk storage. it's also got 120kb dual port block rams
2017-02-27T19:12:44 < sync_> ah
2017-02-27T19:12:47 < sync_> that is good
2017-02-27T19:13:05 < emeb> karlp: correct - Ultra and UltraPlus are not supported by icestorm
2017-02-27T19:13:10 < sync_> maybe I should work on my rom-u-lator at some point again
2017-02-27T19:13:26 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: doing local copys would be giving up
2017-02-27T19:13:32 < emeb> the I/O and logic are compatible but Clifford hasn't added support for the DSP cores.
2017-02-27T19:14:10 < kakimir> I need to go to some totally numb eclipse channel and turn caps lock on
2017-02-27T19:14:17 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Not really - it's only to make the toolchain feel more comfortable.
2017-02-27T19:15:21 < kakimir> it is
2017-02-27T19:16:03 < kakimir> maybe I copy directly to local source without any subdirs or anything
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2017-02-27T19:16:10 < kakimir> and create namescheme
2017-02-27T19:16:25 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, "48-ball QFN" ... I wonder if this is typo or some kind of package mutation:)
2017-02-27T19:16:50 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Subdirectories are fine.
2017-02-27T19:17:17 < emeb> must be
2017-02-27T19:17:18 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Told you, that you can do that or use symlinks.
2017-02-27T19:17:33 < kakimir> are windows symlinks better?
2017-02-27T19:17:50 < nikomo> Windows. Symlinks. ahahaha
2017-02-27T19:17:52 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: They are completely transparent to the toolchain.
2017-02-27T19:18:05 < LeelooMinai> nikomo: What...
2017-02-27T19:18:14 < kakimir> and eclipse linking is just worthless?
2017-02-27T19:18:29 < nikomo> LeelooMinai: they can have some oddities. also there's no GUI way to create them so that's annoying
2017-02-27T19:18:41 < nikomo> but they're usable if you're not asking for much
2017-02-27T19:18:45 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: No, it works fine with Java, etc.
2017-02-27T19:18:58 < nikomo> I can't remember what problem I had with them though, it's been a while
2017-02-27T19:19:05 < LeelooMinai> nikomo: Right, I guess that shell extension GUI I use that works efortlessly does not exist:)
2017-02-27T19:19:18 < nikomo> yes, because that's built-in to the OS
2017-02-27T19:19:21 < kakimir> you didn't underline it properly that way you tell me to do it in eclipse doesn't actually work with C
2017-02-27T19:20:07 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: It may work - depends on the toolchain, etc. I use MinGW and GNU ARM gcc for example.
2017-02-27T19:20:39 < LeelooMinai> So, I sometimes had some problems, but not always.
2017-02-27T19:20:57 < LeelooMinai> nikomo: What is built-in?
2017-02-27T19:21:28 < nikomo> LeelooMinai: ships on retail install media, direct from Microsoft
2017-02-27T19:21:44 < nikomo> (I was being sarcastic)
2017-02-27T19:21:50 < kakimir> I do not use MinGw
2017-02-27T19:22:14 < LeelooMinai> No, I use an app - I just pick a file or folder as link source and can drop it as different (some wieird) objects: http://i.imgur.com/7kUXhCO.png
2017-02-27T19:22:36 < LeelooMinai> Symbolic link seems to be enough.
2017-02-27T19:22:48 < LeelooMinai> Can also do junctions as you can see.
2017-02-27T19:23:28 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Don't panic - just see what works for you and use it in the future.
2017-02-27T19:24:06 < Steffanx> +1 for legit image us :P
2017-02-27T19:24:19 < Steffanx> Use
2017-02-27T19:25:06 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: http://i.imgur.com/Vmw0tV1.png
2017-02-27T19:25:10 < kakimir> what is that app LeelooMinai 
2017-02-27T19:25:50 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I think this one: http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/linkshellextension.html
2017-02-27T19:26:06 < LeelooMinai> But there are probably others too.
2017-02-27T19:26:19 < LeelooMinai> This one works fine though, so no problem.
2017-02-27T19:28:02 < kakimir> so how these other projects are linked to this current project?
2017-02-27T19:28:21 < kakimir> what is the method of linkin?
2017-02-27T19:28:26 < kakimir> static library?
2017-02-27T19:28:42 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Well, you just pick include dir frop as symlink in your project, same for source and add them to the build and that's all.
2017-02-27T19:28:48 < LeelooMinai> drop*
2017-02-27T19:29:09 < LeelooMinai> Just be aware that they exist in one place:) So if you edit them from one dir, they change in the other too.
2017-02-27T19:29:20 < LeelooMinai> You can make the dir read-only I guess if you are paranoid.
2017-02-27T19:29:58 < kakimir> I got it
2017-02-27T19:30:21 < kakimir> but how does CMSIS and other things bundle with my project just like that?
2017-02-27T19:30:44 < kakimir> I'm trying to learn the terminology
2017-02-27T19:30:50 < LeelooMinai> CMSIS is just headers - you can add the path to them.
2017-02-27T19:31:10 < LeelooMinai> I mean you should not have any problems with paths to headers.
2017-02-27T19:31:28 < LeelooMinai> Just point them outside of your project - this is fine.
2017-02-27T19:31:42 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwwA1d2s2OQ
2017-02-27T19:31:46 < kakimir> did you see this
2017-02-27T19:32:13 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but meh
2017-02-27T19:32:41 < LeelooMinai> Kind of retarded imo:)
2017-02-27T19:40:09 < kakimir> do I get to name my symbolic link LeelooMinai when it's created?
2017-02-27T19:40:36 < kakimir> like because.. I have same name dir and things would be fucked up.. hey time to backup
2017-02-27T19:42:02 < LeelooMinai> Yes, tyou can rename it to anything.
2017-02-27T19:42:18 < LeelooMinai> Just in the explorer - normally.
2017-02-27T19:42:54 < kakimir> but can it overwrite without prompt?
2017-02-27T19:43:25 < LeelooMinai> I think it will create "- Copy" if there's colision
2017-02-27T19:43:38 < LeelooMinai> And then you can rename it.
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2017-02-27T19:45:28 < kakimir> can I also move it?
2017-02-27T19:45:33 < kakimir> whereever I like?
2017-02-27T19:45:53 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, never tried - maybe/don't know.
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2017-02-27T19:57:56 < kakimir> symbolic link was the type I wanted?
2017-02-27T19:58:04 < LeelooMinai> Yes
2017-02-27T19:58:09 < kakimir> there seems to be a lot of options
2017-02-27T19:58:14 < kakimir> different types
2017-02-27T19:58:33 < LeelooMinai> I think junctions are more like hard links, but I use symlink fine.
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2017-02-27T20:01:32 < kakimir> what does "Project references" page do in properties?
2017-02-27T20:02:02 < kakimir> it asks to check projects that are referred in current project
2017-02-27T20:02:07 < LeelooMinai> In theory it's for projects that use other projects. Works great in Java:)
2017-02-27T20:02:08 < kakimir> *referenced
2017-02-27T20:02:21 < LeelooMinai> I don't use it with C/C++.
2017-02-27T20:02:21 < kakimir> no use with cdt?
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2017-02-27T20:02:44 < LeelooMinai> Don't know as I just don't use it.
2017-02-27T20:03:07 < kakimir> ../src/Triakkiohjain.c:18:19: fatal error: board.h: No such file or directory
2017-02-27T20:03:16 < kakimir> new errors after symlink
2017-02-27T20:03:24 < kakimir> board is in project inc/
2017-02-27T20:03:33 < kakimir> no problems earlier
2017-02-27T20:03:39 < LeelooMinai> Did you add it to the include path?
2017-02-27T20:03:58 < kakimir> Triakkiohjain/inc is there
2017-02-27T20:04:13 < kakimir> also Triakkiohjain/d2s_inc is there
2017-02-27T20:04:19 < LeelooMinai> Just because it is there does not mean that it is in the include path...
2017-02-27T20:04:44 < LeelooMinai> C/C++ General/PAths and Symbols
2017-02-27T20:05:06 < LeelooMinai> The includes tab
2017-02-27T20:05:18 < kakimir> something has happend here
2017-02-27T20:05:41 < kakimir> all include paths have autofucked themselfs
2017-02-27T20:05:58 < LeelooMinai> Not sure what "autofucked" means...
2017-02-27T20:06:10 < kakimir> like fucked itself
2017-02-27T20:06:17 < LeelooMinai> defuck them?
2017-02-27T20:06:36 < LeelooMinai> Alternatively, the other technical solution would be unfucking them.
2017-02-27T20:06:46 < kakimir> lemme show you
2017-02-27T20:08:00 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKenk1cmdUMUJvT1k/view?usp=sharing it has added Triakkiohjain to everything
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2017-02-27T20:08:14 < kakimir> some bug
2017-02-27T20:08:55 < LeelooMinai> Just point them to the right place.
2017-02-27T20:09:22 < kakimir> I try
2017-02-27T20:09:43 < kakimir> those might suddenly just change back
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2017-02-27T20:12:30 < LeelooMinai> What happened to your task bar? It shrunk? :p
2017-02-27T20:12:37 < kakimir> ../src/Triakkiohjain.c:18:19: fatal error: board.h: No such file or directory
2017-02-27T20:13:12 < LeelooMinai>  Man... do you have TeamViewer?
2017-02-27T20:13:37 < kakimir> I soon have
2017-02-27T20:14:05 < LeelooMinai> Ok, soon have and let me know the number
2017-02-27T20:17:09 < kakimir> do you need the password or can you like request access?
2017-02-27T20:17:37 < LeelooMinai> Send the number first and we will see.
2017-02-27T20:17:53 < kakimir> msg
2017-02-27T20:18:21 < LeelooMinai> Ok, password yes
2017-02-27T20:20:01 < LeelooMinai> Do you have something like "everything" installed?
2017-02-27T20:20:20 < kakimir> ?
2017-02-27T20:20:40 < LeelooMinai> It's an app that searches for files very fast.
2017-02-27T20:20:53 < kakimir> what are you looking for?
2017-02-27T20:22:59 < kakimir> well now I have but it might index files for a while?
2017-02-27T20:23:22 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: No, it's lightning fast;)
2017-02-27T20:25:21 < LeelooMinai> Er... what is this C:/nxp there?
2017-02-27T20:25:46 < kakimir> LPCxpresso
2017-02-27T20:26:00 < kakimir> basically old eclipse with some propiertary addons
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2017-02-27T20:31:09 < LeelooMinai> Holly Finish...
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2017-02-27T20:36:46 < kakimir> it fucked itself again
2017-02-27T20:38:38 < LeelooMinai> Well, ok, so as you saw - something was wrong with that file.
2017-02-27T20:38:57 < kakimir> did you fix it?
2017-02-27T20:39:06 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I just copied it and pasted back.
2017-02-27T20:39:13 < kakimir> interesting
2017-02-27T20:39:28 < kakimir> it happend so fast I didn't realize
2017-02-27T20:39:28 < LeelooMinai> So now that one is fixed, but you need to soldier on and fix other problems.
2017-02-27T20:39:58 < LeelooMinai> Ok, well, yes, that was weird. But the other problems should be easier to fix.
2017-02-27T20:40:39 < kakimir> should I remove source file in inc?
2017-02-27T20:40:49 < LeelooMinai> Right
2017-02-27T20:41:22 < LeelooMinai> Why do you keep Finish menues etc. lol - it's scary.
2017-02-27T20:42:05 < kakimir> in windows?
2017-02-27T20:42:32 < LeelooMinai> Right, even when I was in Poland I was just using English installation not to go insane.
2017-02-27T20:42:40 < kakimir> it asked my language and I selected finnish
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2017-02-27T20:42:59 < kakimir> should I install other languages..
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2017-02-27T20:43:37 < LeelooMinai> Well, whatever - just saying that it's kind of confusing where you have half of the manues in English and other half in Finnish.
2017-02-27T20:43:50 < LeelooMinai> menus*
2017-02-27T20:44:16 < LeelooMinai> Also, wait, where is everyone? :p
2017-02-27T20:44:38 < LeelooMinai> Did everyone die or something?
2017-02-27T20:45:58 < kakimir> this turned actually worse than it was
2017-02-27T20:46:22 < LeelooMinai> Just sort the includes, etc.
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2017-02-27T20:47:54 < LeelooMinai> And make sure your sources are specified in the source dialog.
2017-02-27T20:48:18 < LeelooMinai> Easy to see - if you have undefined symbols, you probably forgot to add some source directory.
2017-02-27T20:49:09 < LeelooMinai> Making your Console actually readable would be a good idea too...
2017-02-27T20:49:25 < kakimir> colors are bad
2017-02-27T20:49:43 < LeelooMinai> And there's the wrap button there btw...
2017-02-27T20:49:56 < kakimir> I noticed
2017-02-27T20:50:28 < LeelooMinai> One more month or two and you will be efficient at that:)
2017-02-27T20:51:00 < kakimir> one month and it kills nme
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2017-02-27T20:51:39 < kakimir> I go back to backup
2017-02-27T20:51:57 < LeelooMinai> No, don't be silly - just keep fixing those paths.
2017-02-27T20:52:00 < kakimir> and copy files to current dirs and have namescheme
2017-02-27T20:52:12 < LeelooMinai> namewhat?
2017-02-27T20:53:33 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: we're all here, nothing much good to say about Eclipse though
2017-02-27T20:54:06 < LeelooMinai> Ok, so Donga Mafia is here, but no others
2017-02-27T20:56:08 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I am going to eat. Fight on - you know where to specify things, what to look for (you can see in the console if the paths used are what you expect,) and how to fix things - it's just a matter of fixing them one by one.
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2017-02-27T20:59:40 < kakimir> hmm
2017-02-27T20:59:56 < kakimir> I see the problem now
2017-02-27T21:00:08 < kakimir> file extension .cpp
2017-02-27T21:00:17 < kakimir> in decimal2string project sources
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2017-02-27T21:03:04 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone remembers C8051? Or even better C8051F020 from SiLabs? :)
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2017-02-27T21:04:24 < aandrew> it does seem amusing that by resorting to the same behaviours as the person she claims to dislike she feels she has somehow won or is making any kind of valid point
2017-02-27T21:05:07 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: I am not calling you a faggot, am I? So don't say it's same behaviour.
2017-02-27T21:05:43 < LeelooMinai> That's the problem - you don't even see the difference.
2017-02-27T21:05:45 < kakimir> okay LeelooMinai I did copy files in inc and src and it resulted into board.h situation again even after renaming .cpp files.. I will see that source file copypaste trick again
2017-02-27T21:06:34 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: You can check what that particular file has included if you check properties on it.
2017-02-27T21:06:50 < LeelooMinai> I mean what that file has as include paths.
2017-02-27T21:07:08 < kakimir> there used to be library paths in project
2017-02-27T21:07:21 < kakimir> but those vanished a while ago
2017-02-27T21:07:29 < kakimir> lpc_chip_151x and other
2017-02-27T21:07:58 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I didn't say that
2017-02-27T21:08:06 < ColdKeyboard> Does this look like a normal makefile to anyone or does it smell fishy -> http://pastebin.com/T0mu0uHC ?
2017-02-27T21:08:07 < aandrew> I am stating what you said yesterday
2017-02-27T21:08:20 < ColdKeyboard> I can't see what compiler it's using or anything...
2017-02-27T21:08:27 < aandrew> let me dig it up so you don't accuse me of taking your words out of context or misquoting you
2017-02-27T21:08:39 < kakimir> hooray! copypaste trick did it
2017-02-27T21:09:32 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, but something seems to be applying those wrong paths - you should check if maybe some expresso settings to that.
2017-02-27T21:09:56 < aandrew> 16:38 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: It's a no-compromise policy - same dongs uses. So, you are his friend and that's enough.
2017-02-27T21:10:41 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: I meant that he is not compromising, so why should I. But that does not mean I will become dongs:)
2017-02-27T21:10:50 < aandrew> I haven't done anything to harm you, yet based on the fact that I'm in this chan like anyone else here, you are using a "salt the earth" policy to try to ... I'm not sure what exactly
2017-02-27T21:11:11 < aandrew> it's kind of sad to see you do it, that's all
2017-02-27T21:11:29 < aandrew> actually it's exactly that -- you are becoming that which you claim to hate
2017-02-27T21:11:44 < aandrew> (or act like you claim to hate, you've never said you actually hate dongs)
2017-02-27T21:11:56 < LeelooMinai> No, I just avoid being backstabbed by dongs friends.
2017-02-27T21:12:30 < aandrew> ... I've backstabbed *anyone* on any IRC network in the last 20ish years I've been using IRC?
2017-02-27T21:12:41 < aandrew> brb, phone
2017-02-27T21:13:52 < LeelooMinai> Like I can now that - I don't. But that's what no-compromise is.
2017-02-27T21:13:58 < LeelooMinai> know*
2017-02-27T21:14:44 < LeelooMinai> I did not paste anything about Trump for a while, so from Fox News: "Trump seeking $54B increase in defense spending, cuts elsewhere"
2017-02-27T21:14:50 < LeelooMinai> Brilliant plan...
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2017-02-27T21:16:38 < LeelooMinai> Medicare, education, etc. - who cares. 
2017-02-27T21:22:13 < Steffanx> 20 years on irc.. aandrew. I suddenly feel like a youngster again
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2017-02-27T21:39:02 < kakimir> time to get KEIL
2017-02-27T21:39:51 < kakimir> I had perfectly working debug configuration but this thing..
2017-02-27T21:41:24 < kakimir> heyheyhey
2017-02-27T21:41:45 < kakimir> I just create new project and let the wizard do stuff
2017-02-27T21:42:05 < kakimir> every time it goes broken I just create new project
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2017-02-27T21:44:50 < kakimir> do I want character-by-character printf?
2017-02-27T21:45:17 < kakimir> doesn't directly use heap says
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2017-02-27T21:48:19 < Steffanx> pebkac :P
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2017-02-27T21:50:27 < kakimir> I'm exploding
2017-02-27T21:50:37 < Steffanx> imploding.
2017-02-27T21:50:50 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: sure, but like I said, you are becoming that which (I'm assuming) you hate
2017-02-27T21:51:41 < Steffanx> It's what happens when people are "around" each other all day long.
2017-02-27T21:55:09 < aandrew> to an extent, but this "you're friends with Sally so I won't be friends with you" is pretty immature
2017-02-27T21:55:34 < Steffanx> kinda
2017-02-27T21:55:54 < aandrew> also, huehue, I called dongs Sally
2017-02-27T21:56:04 < LeelooMinai> Now replace Sally with Hitler, and it will be more realistic:)
2017-02-27T21:56:20 < aandrew> nah, tha'ts just good old fashioned Godwinning
2017-02-27T21:56:58 < aandrew> smart people are stupid in different ways, I just was a little surprised to find this particular one, that's all
2017-02-27T21:57:18 < aandrew> at the end of the day I don't need LeelooMinai to talk to me, but I just wanted to give the benefit of the doubt before reaching my own conclusions
2017-02-27T21:57:19 < kakimir> project actually healed after I made new project
2017-02-27T21:57:27 < aandrew> welcome to eclipse garbage
2017-02-27T21:57:34 < kakimir> this is how it's meant to be used
2017-02-27T21:57:44 < kakimir> create project and do not fuck with it
2017-02-27T21:57:50 < aandrew> it helps if you hire an Indian shaman and keep some holy water nearby
2017-02-27T21:57:51 < Steffanx> this was a user screw up, not eclipse :P
2017-02-27T21:58:07 < kakimir> it wasn't
2017-02-27T21:58:21 < Steffanx> Yes it was.
2017-02-27T21:58:40 < kakimir> I saw LeelooMinai battling it.. he did all the pro stuff and it still was hopeless
2017-02-27T21:58:55 < kakimir> it was beyond repair
2017-02-27T21:59:08 < Steffanx> but you broke it. im sure of it. Not eclipse automagically.
2017-02-27T21:59:51 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: I just accelerated what was going to happen - as I wrote, tired of backstabbing, etc. - at least this way things are clear.
2017-02-27T22:00:42 < kakimir> it did autofucking I saw it
2017-02-27T22:01:01 < kakimir> properties just changed by themself
2017-02-27T22:01:08 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: really? "you were gonna say something mean/hurtful/hateful eventually, I just avoided the wait" 
2017-02-27T22:01:42 < aandrew> you wish to pre-judge me, again is pretty immature, which I find surprising from you
2017-02-27T22:02:03 < aandrew> the internet is full of assholes, yet here we all are (even you) 
2017-02-27T22:02:39 < Steffanx> Im very kind.
2017-02-27T22:02:40 < aandrew> the only thing clear is that you presume something about me based on my ability/willingness to converse with someone you don't like/doesn't like you
2017-02-27T22:02:49 < aandrew> Steffanx: you talk to dongs, you're next
2017-02-27T22:02:59 < aandrew> eventually you're gonna backstab LeelooMinai, don't you know that?
2017-02-27T22:03:45 < kakimir> who are you guise?
2017-02-27T22:04:05 < Steffanx> Im Groot.
2017-02-27T22:04:10 < emeryth> ##drama32
2017-02-27T22:04:10 < aandrew> We're all backstabbing assholes
2017-02-27T22:04:11 < kakimir> I only know dongs
2017-02-27T22:04:12 < aandrew> yep
2017-02-27T22:04:18 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Nice try, but BS - I will not tolerate anyone who normalizes people like dongs verbally assaulting and discrediting others, spreading misinformation, hate, etc.
2017-02-27T22:04:35 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: no, it's not "nice try" -- this is exactly what you are doing
2017-02-27T22:04:36 < Steffanx> hi emeryth, how is your day?
2017-02-27T22:04:58 < aandrew> you're saying "you associate with someone, therefore I will judge you as if you're the same person"
2017-02-27T22:05:29 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Yes, you are fine with someone treating others like dongs - go to hell:)
2017-02-27T22:05:47 < emeryth> Steffanx: who are you? how do you know my name?
2017-02-27T22:05:56 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZ1FvTmN2V3FXVzQ/view?usp=sharing proof that project builds
2017-02-27T22:05:57 < aandrew> which, while not fine, is your prerogative. I just wanted to understand where you were coming from. I feel it's ill-founded and based on the chats you and I have had over the last what, year, is kind of sad actually, but whatever
2017-02-27T22:06:09 < Steffanx> It magically appeared in some pixels on my screen emeryth.
2017-02-27T22:06:42 < Steffanx> Your theme is fucking awful kakimir. Get your scrollbars fixed
2017-02-27T22:06:48 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: It's pretty consistent actually - not saying anything can be as bad as activelly attacking someone.
2017-02-27T22:07:25 < kakimir> #hurtbutt32
2017-02-27T22:07:58 < Steffanx> but how can your autism deal with that kakimir?
2017-02-27T22:08:04 < aandrew> I never said I was fine iwth it, and if you check the chat logs you'll find many instances of me saying what dongs is doing is shitty or whatever. At the end of hte day, I can choose to stay here or leave, same as anyone else. IRC has always had a fairly high skin thickness requirement and like you and everyone else here, the benefits outweigh the shit
2017-02-27T22:08:23 < kakimir> when project finally builds okay I don't even know where I was
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2017-02-27T22:11:45 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Do you do same in RL?
2017-02-27T22:11:53 < kakimir> uart pins for lpcxpresso development board to get uart testing going
2017-02-27T22:13:40 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: do I do the same what specifically?
2017-02-27T22:14:13 < LeelooMinai> I mean I am just trying to imagine a room with people and I see some dude abusing, say, a black guy, using racial slur, etc. and since it's more convenient for me, I just pretend that's normal, and talk to the abuser as if nothing happens.
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2017-02-27T22:16:13 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: no, "real life" is a lot different from IRC. If someone was following you around from chan to chan and going out of his way to dox you etc? that's quite a bit different, that's a lot closer to real life
2017-02-27T22:16:46 < LeelooMinai> You arealize this channel is called #stm32?
2017-02-27T22:16:48 < aandrew> how is this any different from you talking about ohsix?
2017-02-27T22:16:53 < aandrew> I'm aware. and?
2017-02-27T22:17:04 < LeelooMinai> So, it's not #dongs32
2017-02-27T22:17:51 < LeelooMinai> ohsix... ohsix is the guy who secretly was sebsubg to the irc admins edited logs from channels trying to paint me in bad light, so let's not bring him into this.
2017-02-27T22:17:59 < LeelooMinai> was sending*
2017-02-27T22:18:26 < aandrew> wow I did not know this
2017-02-27T22:18:45 < LeelooMinai> He is one slimy dude and I would rather deal with dongs than him tbh
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2017-02-27T22:19:08 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx
2017-02-27T22:19:22 < Steffanx> Sorry, but its done. 
2017-02-27T22:19:28 < Steffanx> *im done
2017-02-27T22:19:33 < kakimir> where did all the drama come from?
2017-02-27T22:19:43 < zyp> I just got home, what did I miss?
2017-02-27T22:19:50 < Steffanx> nothing.
2017-02-27T22:19:57 < zyp> sure, what did I not miss?
2017-02-27T22:20:05 < Steffanx> drama
2017-02-27T22:21:25 < BrainDamage> tl;dr: leloo clamining a channel wide conspiracy and isolating itself from anyone who has interactions with dongs on a friendly term
2017-02-27T22:22:35 < zyp> oh, just the usual
2017-02-27T22:22:51 < Steffanx> sorry for killing your conversation aandrew
2017-02-27T22:23:19 < zyp> shame, leeloo sometimes says interesting stuff
2017-02-27T22:24:28 < Steffanx> if you dont agree you can start a petition to get her from the ban list :P
2017-02-27T22:24:29 < aandrew> yeah, I don't want her banned. the persecution complex is a bit much but she's got good technical skills
2017-02-27T22:24:39 < aandrew> I should've moved the convo to PM 
2017-02-27T22:25:11 < zyp> Steffanx, eh, just unban her tomorrow or something
2017-02-27T22:26:17 < aandrew> what does "kleutelschool" translate as?
2017-02-27T22:26:23 < BrainDamage> I think limited ban is also appropriate, afterall memerenceb's shitposting is equally tollerated, altought overall tends to take less space except when triggered by words like "hyperloop"
2017-02-27T22:26:56 < Steffanx> memerenceb is often on +q lately :P
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2017-02-27T22:28:45 < Steffanx> ok ok, jury decided.
2017-02-27T22:29:29 < Steffanx> kindergarten aandrew, didnt know that message was there.
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2017-02-27T23:08:20 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNzRiV0FpLVB6MUE/view?usp=sharing back to business
2017-02-27T23:09:09 < Steffanx> a dvd writer, is it real?
2017-02-27T23:10:47 < kakimir> it is high-end machine from 2003
2017-02-27T23:12:40 < kakimir> how do I launch control_protocol_switch function Steffanx 
2017-02-27T23:12:51 < kakimir> it's the thing that reads uart recv buffer
2017-02-27T23:13:22 < kakimir> and process command and parameter
2017-02-27T23:14:41 < kakimir> oh.. there should be like.. some event that launches it
2017-02-27T23:15:17 < kakimir> when user/frontend process gives CR+LF =
2017-02-27T23:16:20 < kakimir> is there break involved?
2017-02-27T23:18:10 < kakimir> I can't just check with every added character if it makes sensible command
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2017-02-27T23:33:56 < kakimir> somebody give me some insigth on this
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2017-02-27T23:41:10 < kakimir> there is no interrupt for such event when CR LF is received
2017-02-27T23:41:31 < kakimir> so I might need to check it every time new character is received?
2017-02-27T23:44:08 < kakimir> or whenever there is time to
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2017-02-28T00:05:08 < englishman> nice jlink kaks
2017-02-28T00:05:15 < englishman> my serial number is 12345678
2017-02-28T00:05:28 < kakimir> I have one too with 12345678
2017-02-28T00:05:33 < englishman> :o
2017-02-28T00:05:36 < kakimir> also 222222
2017-02-28T00:05:43 < kakimir> also 333333
2017-02-28T00:06:04 < kakimir> if I lie little bit
2017-02-28T00:06:18 < kakimir> I have 3 units
2017-02-28T00:06:54 < kakimir> do you have example uart handler code englishman?
2017-02-28T00:07:06 < englishman> for HAL?
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2017-02-28T00:08:02 < kakimir> anything
2017-02-28T00:08:05 < kakimir> lpc?
2017-02-28T00:08:30 < englishman> actually i think not
2017-02-28T00:09:00 < englishman> but once again i can link to dongsrepo https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_serial.c
2017-02-28T00:09:36 < englishman> this one allows assignment of the uart to different tasks
2017-02-28T00:09:40 < englishman> ok maybe not the best example
2017-02-28T00:10:15 < englishman> there is not much to it if using blocking reads/writes
2017-02-28T00:11:01 < kakimir> I plan to have first blocking tested and then move to non-blocking
2017-02-28T00:12:40 < kakimir> or actually this implementation I use is non-blocking but it is set to go to sleep until callback
2017-02-28T00:13:21 < kakimir> ooh
2017-02-28T00:13:41 < kakimir> this get command waits for CRLF
2017-02-28T00:13:56 < kakimir> sleeps until it's received
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2017-02-28T00:16:46 < kakimir> I can use this at this phase
2017-02-28T00:19:14 < kakimir> should I do anything for RECV buffer after I have read it?
2017-02-28T00:19:23 < kakimir> usually
2017-02-28T00:19:39 < boB_K7IQ> Know of any examples of serial uart code using RS485 ?  That is, where it also toggles the transmit DE line of the RS485 chip ?
2017-02-28T00:27:15 < kakimir> first you would need to find someone who have used rs485
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2017-02-28T00:35:53 < kakimir> industrial stuff mainly
2017-02-28T00:35:59 < kakimir> sensors and such
2017-02-28T00:45:41 < kakimir> what are you doing boB_K7IQ 
2017-02-28T00:46:18 < boB_K7IQ> Hi...  Just communications in a noisy environment. It is an industrial app 
2017-02-28T00:46:35 < karlp> boB_K7IQ: st has an app note explicitly describing methods of using rs485
2017-02-28T00:46:56 < boB_K7IQ> The timing before and after the transmitted byte has to be about right for everything to work good
2017-02-28T00:46:58 < karlp> also, for newer parts, (l0,f0, l4, f7 at least, f3 too iirc) you simply enable rs485 mode, and wire it properly.
2017-02-28T00:47:13 < kakimir> can you tell more what kind of device?
2017-02-28T00:47:40 < boB_K7IQ> Just wondered if anybody here had it fresh in their mind.   It's an inverter
2017-02-28T00:48:07 < boB_K7IQ> It's also a STM32F4xx
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2017-02-28T00:48:31 < boB_K7IQ> I wish these parts PWM timers could operate at the full clock frequency too
2017-02-28T00:48:50 < kakimir> are you making one or hacking one?
2017-02-28T00:48:50 < boB_K7IQ> Half of the timers are 90 MHz and the other half are 45 MHz maximum
2017-02-28T00:48:55 < boB_K7IQ> making
2017-02-28T00:49:27 < kakimir> as a product?
2017-02-28T00:49:30 < boB_K7IQ> yep
2017-02-28T00:49:59 < boB_K7IQ> alternative energy stuff in general too
2017-02-28T00:50:07 < boB_K7IQ> charge controllers, etc.
2017-02-28T00:50:16 < boB_K7IQ> communications is a biggie in this industry
2017-02-28T00:50:58 < boB_K7IQ> I can do this, and have done RS485 but been a long time and wasn't sure if there were some tricks people use
2017-02-28T00:51:43 < karlp> yeah, you read the st app note, and choose which way is appropriate for your use case.
2017-02-28T00:51:46 < karlp> it's not very complicated.
2017-02-28T00:52:54 < karlp> alternatively, look for implementations of the protocol you're interested in, rather than "rs485"
2017-02-28T00:53:39 < boB_K7IQ> Sure.  Modbus is also a good search term for this
2017-02-28T00:54:04 < boB_K7IQ> actually both modbus and rs485 would be good terms
2017-02-28T00:54:13 < karlp> they're different layers, but yeah, sure.
2017-02-28T00:54:42 < boB_K7IQ> yes
2017-02-28T00:54:46 < karlp> "freemodbus libopencm3" turns up some good examples.
2017-02-28T00:54:58 < boB_K7IQ> OK
2017-02-28T00:56:33 < boB_K7IQ> That might actually be very useful here.  Thanks !
2017-02-28T00:57:24 < karlp> something like this for freemodbus perhaps: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/vdayM3b8orgAM5tyABPlNF5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
2017-02-28T00:57:45 < karlp> are you using modbus? or are you doing something "special" ?
2017-02-28T01:01:29 < kakimir> is it normal that chip sigfaults when it's sleeping and I pause debug session?
2017-02-28T01:04:37 < kakimir> let's change it to nop
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2017-02-28T01:10:28 < kakimir> still sigfaults - it's something else
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2017-02-28T01:13:54 < Thorn> is this what I think it is https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/20pcs-lot-Standard-Voltage-Sensor-Module-For-Robot-for-Arduino-Good-New-Free-Shipping/1171090_32255712914.html
2017-02-28T01:14:17 < PeterM> yes
2017-02-28T01:15:02 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-28T01:15:05 < zyp> haha
2017-02-28T01:15:08 < zyp> nice resistor divider
2017-02-28T01:15:13 < kakimir> it is voltage divider
2017-02-28T01:15:38 < jadew> lol
2017-02-28T01:15:49 < jadew> only $10 a pop
2017-02-28T01:16:02 < englishman> haha
2017-02-28T01:16:10 < englishman> qty 20 there jadew 
2017-02-28T01:16:10 < Thorn> $10 for 20 pcs
2017-02-28T01:16:16 < jadew> ah
2017-02-28T01:16:30 < englishman> not even a capacitor
2017-02-28T01:16:31 < englishman> lol
2017-02-28T01:16:37 < jadew> who would need that tho?
2017-02-28T01:16:41 < kakimir> filtering
2017-02-28T01:16:54 < Thorn> someone from Thailand bought 20 pcs
2017-02-28T01:17:22 < englishman> hi crt http://i.imgur.com/JylYMpZ.jpg
2017-02-28T01:23:54 < kakimir> englishman: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKR1RKNTBHNDhkWTA/view?usp=sharing sauna stove
2017-02-28T01:24:12 < englishman> hot
2017-02-28T01:24:19 < englishman> is that euros?
2017-02-28T01:24:32 < englishman> 15k euros????????????/
2017-02-28T01:24:47 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-28T01:25:23 < englishman> for an oil drum and presumably some fire brick?
2017-02-28T01:25:25 < englishman> that's insane
2017-02-28T01:25:33 < englishman> what's special about that one
2017-02-28T01:25:59 < kakimir> there is normal size just in the right edge of the picture
2017-02-28T01:26:02 < englishman> a full, modern wood + electric furnace is like $4k
2017-02-28T01:26:16 < BrainDamage> is that for a personal sauna, or a collective one?
2017-02-28T01:27:05 < kakimir> depends on person
2017-02-28T01:27:31 < PeterM> kakimir, want to make some money? build that
2017-02-28T01:27:38 < PeterM> then sell it
2017-02-28T01:27:41 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-28T01:28:56 < englishman> thats like the price of a diesel polo
2017-02-28T01:29:41 < kakimir> I would assume that is when rich russian wants to build big sauna to his summer cottage
2017-02-28T01:29:49 < PeterM> why would you buy a diesel polo though
2017-02-28T01:29:57 < BrainDamage> connect the polo's exaust pipe to the sauna, ???, profit
2017-02-28T01:30:51 < PeterM> kakimir and rich russian would almsot vertainly prefer hand crafted sauna stove
2017-02-28T01:31:03 < kakimir> yes..
2017-02-28T01:31:26 < BrainDamage> also you still didn't really answer me
2017-02-28T01:31:28 < kakimir> quality crafts
2017-02-28T01:31:35 < BrainDamage> is it normally used for collective saunas or what
2017-02-28T01:31:40 < BrainDamage> retarded rich besides
2017-02-28T01:32:55 < kakimir> yes
2017-02-28T01:33:27 < kakimir> but I don't see.. how big the sauna should even be
2017-02-28T01:35:58 < kakimir> very limited set of saunas
2017-02-28T01:36:26 < englishman> yet in stock at what i presume is kaks local hardware store
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2017-02-28T01:37:12 < stvn> pretty weird, cut.
2017-02-28T01:39:43 < kakimir> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/39/08/e639084a4e04be7c285a331c1c2c97de.jpg you need the chair englishman 
2017-02-28T01:40:00 < kakimir> description said it's 80C
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2017-02-28T01:40:26 < stvn> pretty weird, cut.
2017-02-28T01:40:29 < kakimir> that means those bottom shelfs? are 40C
2017-02-28T01:42:45 < Laurenceb> http://www.stfrancis.swindon.sch.uk/Images/Schools/1492/WebUpload/autism.png
2017-02-28T01:44:45 < kakimir> I did go to autism meet once
2017-02-28T01:46:24 < stvn> k
2017-02-28T01:48:02 < kakimir> confusing
2017-02-28T01:50:46 < kakimir> I couldn't figure it out
2017-02-28T01:51:19 < englishman> thats a nice sauna
2017-02-28T01:51:51 < stvn> where's david
2017-02-28T01:52:01 < stvn> Laurence's mate
2017-02-28T01:55:32 < boB_K7IQ> karlp  It's modbus  and maybe a custom command.   Also for debugging with ASCII output
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2017-02-28T02:07:36 < Laurenceb> sauna?? no homo
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2017-02-28T02:07:58 < Laurenceb> a congregation of sweaty naked male bodies
2017-02-28T02:10:12 < Laurenceb> http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/bodies-of-water-9781474275392/
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2017-02-28T02:10:27 < Laurenceb>  The Onto-Logic of Amniotics (Queering Water's Repetitions) 
2017-02-28T02:10:44  * Laurenceb saves to copypasta folder
2017-02-28T02:12:45 < stvn> ah kay
2017-02-28T02:12:50 < stvn> wheres foyf
2017-02-28T02:13:47 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BRBYwsZBhip/
2017-02-28T02:13:55 < Laurenceb> everything about this is amazing
2017-02-28T02:14:00 < Laurenceb> its the new timecube
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2017-02-28T02:23:47 < stvn> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0550/0041/products/WEE-Cocks-CVF-100.jpg?v=1409053038
2017-02-28T02:26:39 < Laurenceb>  Love Letters to Watery Others: Marine Lover of Friedrich Nietzsche 
2017-02-28T02:26:42 < Laurenceb> irl lolling
2017-02-28T02:26:59 < stvn> irl lolence
2017-02-28T02:34:05 < Laurenceb>  Carrier Bags and Hypersea
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2017-02-28T02:49:10 < stvn> owww eowwwwwwwwwwwww
2017-02-28T02:49:12 < stvn> -cat said it
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2017-02-28T02:54:04 < stvn> its phantom of the opera
2017-02-28T02:58:40 < Laurenceb> http://kickfailure.com/2014/04/11/3669/
2017-02-28T02:58:44 < Laurenceb> ur project
2017-02-28T02:59:51 < stvn> no
2017-02-28T02:59:56 < stvn> my project is THE AMPLIFIER MATE
2017-02-28T03:00:37 < Laurenceb> I want to make a t-shirt with "Bitches don't know about my Onto-Logic of Amniotics" written on it now
2017-02-28T03:00:41 < stvn> can you get me genuine pieces
2017-02-28T03:01:00 < stvn> i want to pay 10c per power transistor
2017-02-28T03:01:42 < stvn> does that sound fair enough
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2017-02-28T03:04:51 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4KQg2P5bzg&feature=youtu.be&t=1m41s
2017-02-28T03:06:33 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a3rRlLWYZ4
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2017-02-28T03:11:58 < stvn> peeta
2017-02-28T03:13:29 < Thorn> can one stm32 drive 12 channels of ws2812b?
2017-02-28T03:16:32 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RScqJUWBpjs
2017-02-28T03:16:39 < zyp> Thorn, like 12 chains?
2017-02-28T03:16:48 < Thorn> yes
2017-02-28T03:16:55 < stvn> one stm32 can do everything you can imagine
2017-02-28T03:17:11 < Thorn> 12 chains, ~30 leds each
2017-02-28T03:17:14 < zyp> Thorn, I'd assume so
2017-02-28T03:17:17 < stvn> can cure assburgers too
2017-02-28T03:17:38 < dongs> hmm
2017-02-28T03:17:42 < dongs> STM32 seminar in tokyo 3/10
2017-02-28T03:17:43 < zyp> hmm, depends if you got enough dma channels without overlap
2017-02-28T03:17:43 < dongs> should I go?
2017-02-28T03:17:48 < dongs> are those useful
2017-02-28T03:17:52 < dongs> or is it just gonna be waste of tiem
2017-02-28T03:18:15 < zyp> three timers with four channels each are trivial, but then you need a dma job for each channel too
2017-02-28T03:18:32 < dongs> zyp, maybe better DMA gpio in that case
2017-02-28T03:18:40 < Thorn> assuming I use output compare channels for all of it I'll need to load ~1 byte per us into every CCR -> 12 MB/s of DMA
2017-02-28T03:18:40 < zyp> as long as you get that to work, it's just a matter of setting up the dma buffers
2017-02-28T03:19:15 < dongs> put all the channels on GPIOx->Pin0..11
2017-02-28T03:19:19 < dongs> then DMA that shit
2017-02-28T03:19:23 < zyp> but yeah, dongs have a good suggestion
2017-02-28T03:19:28 < dongs> or just do 16 channels
2017-02-28T03:19:31 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tUIU8BKG30
2017-02-28T03:19:50 < Thorn> how do I time it then
2017-02-28T03:19:52 < zyp> might actually be faster to prepare the dma buffer in that case too, since you only have to transpose
2017-02-28T03:20:11 < Thorn> trigger dma from a timer?
2017-02-28T03:20:17 < dongs> thats how you do GPIO dma, yeah
2017-02-28T03:20:20 < dongs> timer will clock it
2017-02-28T03:20:33 < Thorn> ok
2017-02-28T03:20:41 < zyp> well, you need three writes per pulse
2017-02-28T03:20:45 < Thorn> good thing I got a dev board
2017-02-28T03:21:04 < zyp> there's three time points: rising edge, falling edge for 0 bits, falling edge for 1 bits
2017-02-28T03:21:27 < dongs> right, because of thier retarded different width bits
2017-02-28T03:21:38 < dongs> self-clocking? more like get ya dick jerked
2017-02-28T03:21:40 < zyp> oh, and this is easy
2017-02-28T03:22:00 < dongs> zyp, how much ram is needed for 16 channels?
2017-02-28T03:22:06 < zyp> rising edge is all ones, falling edge is all zeroes, so you can do circular one-word dma jobs for those
2017-02-28T03:22:14 < dongs> 2 bytes per bit * 24 * 3 ?
2017-02-28T03:22:44 < zyp> * 3?
2017-02-28T03:23:01 < dongs> the 3 step time points
2017-02-28T03:23:05 < dongs> you have to prepare buffer for each one
2017-02-28T03:23:15 < zyp> read what I just wrote
2017-02-28T03:24:08 < dongs> i did, i dont understand it. donmt you have to run your timer clk at 2-3x the ws2812 frequency to do teh short/long bits?
2017-02-28T03:24:33 < dongs> oh, maybe not
2017-02-28T03:24:39 < dongs> start/end are same width
2017-02-28T03:24:40 < zyp> use three jobs, not one
2017-02-28T03:25:04 < zyp> or start/end could be combined, but that's not important
2017-02-28T03:26:24 < dongs> but yeah sounds doable
2017-02-28T03:26:42 < zyp> but you need three triggers from timer, one triggers a dma job that just writes all high, one triggers a dma job that writes some bits low (the 0 ones), one triggers a dma job that writes all bits low (only the 1 ones are still high and would change at this point)
2017-02-28T03:27:11 < dongs> yeah, now i get it
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2017-02-28T03:27:26 < zyp> hmm, can you do 16-bit writes to upper half of BSRR?
2017-02-28T03:27:37 < dongs> yes?
2017-02-28T03:27:42 < dongs> isnt that waht BSRRL/H is for?
2017-02-28T03:27:50 < zyp> does that exist?
2017-02-28T03:27:50 < dongs> well, at least on F4
2017-02-28T03:27:52 < dongs> ytes
2017-02-28T03:28:04 < dongs> write to L to set, to H to reset
2017-02-28T03:28:05 < dongs> or whatever
2017-02-28T03:28:06 < zyp> I just remembered shit used to have BRR
2017-02-28T03:28:10 < dongs> thats like F1
2017-02-28T03:28:11 < zyp> which got removed, then added back in
2017-02-28T03:28:56 < dongs> #define CS_HIGH GPIOE->BSRRL = GPIO_Pin_4
2017-02-28T03:28:56 < dongs> #define CS_LOW GPIOE->BSRRH = GPIO_Pin_4
2017-02-28T03:28:58 < dongs> this this
2017-02-28T03:29:00 < dongs> er this shit
2017-02-28T03:29:16 < zyp> but anyway, if you can do a 16-bit write like that, it would be just as easy/cheap to do a partial port as a whole port writing to ODR
2017-02-28T03:29:30 < dongs> ah
2017-02-28T03:29:32 < zyp> i.e. you get away without having to have 32-bit dma buffers
2017-02-28T03:29:47 < dongs> ODR is 16 bit tho?
2017-02-28T03:29:52 < zyp> yes
2017-02-28T03:29:58 < dongs> where would youneed 32bit
2017-02-28T03:30:02 < dongs> if BSRR was 32bit?
2017-02-28T03:30:06 < zyp> exactly
2017-02-28T03:30:29 < dongs> but y ou still need a rising/falling buffer anyway
2017-02-28T03:30:43 < dongs> oh no, if BSRR then you ened two x 32
2017-02-28T03:30:43 < zyp> which can be 1-element, circular
2017-02-28T03:30:50 < dongs> if it was without h/l
2017-02-28T03:31:07 < dongs> one full write sets, one resets
2017-02-28T03:31:38 < zyp> also, the one-element buffer would just be a mask, and for the 16-bit case it would be the same for first and last write
2017-02-28T03:33:02 < zyp> I picked up some more zwave shit today
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2017-02-28T03:34:27 < zyp> got this six-button remote control which apparently got a ton of features and shit
2017-02-28T03:34:41 < dongs> can't be THAT many for 6 buttons
2017-02-28T03:35:17 < zyp> well, it can map single-, double-, triple- and long-press on each button as a separate event
2017-02-28T03:35:33 < englishman> how many buttons do you even need
2017-02-28T03:35:37 < zyp> and then it has some locking shit where you need to enter a pattern to unlock
2017-02-28T03:35:42 < englishman> apple remote has like 6 and thats more than enough
2017-02-28T03:35:51 < dongs> and how would you know
2017-02-28T03:35:57 < zyp> and while it's locked, you can set up other patterns that trigger events as well
2017-02-28T03:37:42 < zyp> picked up some shitty plug dimmer as well
2017-02-28T03:37:56 < Thorn> RM does not say anything about accessing BSRR
2017-02-28T03:38:10 < zyp> my led lamps doesn't like it (even though they are supposed to be dimmable)
2017-02-28T03:38:27 < zyp> they are humming and slightly flickering at some levels
2017-02-28T03:39:41 < Thorn> finally https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100pcs-SOT23-SOP10-MSOP10-Umax-SOP23-to-DIP10-Pinboard-SMD-To-DIP-Adapter-Plate-0-5mm/32769473900.html
2017-02-28T03:42:20 < dongs> > sot23
2017-02-28T03:42:29 < dongs> > picture shows ... SOP?
2017-02-28T03:43:03 < dongs> I bought some quality jap stuff for SOP-8 and TSSOP-8
2017-02-28T03:43:09 < dongs> it has SOP on one side and tssop on another
2017-02-28T03:43:16 < dongs> very pro shit
2017-02-28T03:43:37 < Thorn> sot23 0.95mm on the other side
2017-02-28T03:43:45 < gxti_> sot23 pitch is 2x0.95 so it'd fit on that
2017-02-28T03:44:10 < Thorn> I have some SOP/TSSOP adapters but really only needed sot23
2017-02-28T03:44:17 < zyp> zwave got some device-to-device associations so actions doesn't necessarily have to pass through the controller
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2017-02-28T03:45:27 < zyp> but if I unplug the controller usb stick, remote control tries reaching it and doesn't send the direct action until the message to the controller times out after a few seconds
2017-02-28T03:46:12 < dongs> analog pros: when doing a lowpass filter with R+C, the cutoff freq is 1/(2pi*r*c), this is for when C is on the right side of R, how to calculate it when C is on theleft side?
2017-02-28T03:46:26 < zyp> stuffing the controller stick in a usb charger works though, so there's certainly enough logic in it to ack shit
2017-02-28T03:46:48 < gxti_> if C is on the source side then you use R = source impedance
2017-02-28T03:47:19 < dongs> and if I dont know that?
2017-02-28T03:47:27 < dongs> so you mean the R following C has no effect on the filter then?
2017-02-28T03:47:28 < gxti_> then you don't know the cutoff
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2017-02-28T03:47:33 < gxti_> yeah
2017-02-28T03:47:54 < gxti_> every source has a load so the C has some effect, and every load has some capacitance so the R has some effect, but you don't really know
2017-02-28T03:49:04 < zyp> think of it as a resistor divider
2017-02-28T03:49:19 < dongs> bah java sim applet doesn't allow setting square/sine wave source impedance
2017-02-28T03:49:21 < zyp> connecting the input in the middle and the output at the top doesn't make much sense
2017-02-28T03:49:24 < dongs> SO I CANNOT TEST THIS
2017-02-28T03:49:55 < zyp> a RC filter is just a resistor divider with one resistance that's actually an impedance varying by freq
2017-02-28T03:49:59 < dongs> well, i could put R in series but anyway i have no clue what source impedance of the shit would be
2017-02-28T03:50:44 < dongs> would this be in DC or AC characteristics of datasheet
2017-02-28T03:50:51 < dongs> (if e ven)
2017-02-28T03:51:09 < gxti_> depends on how they express it, if at all
2017-02-28T03:51:45 < aandrew> karlp: modbus ... <shudders>
2017-02-28T03:51:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/xzGfc0q.png apparently this is the output pin
2017-02-28T03:52:22 < upgrdman> those 8 things are current sinks?
2017-02-28T03:53:56 < aandrew> boB_K7IQ: very simply, if you don't have hardware support for "shift register empty", you will set a timer when the transmitter is empty that has a period of ~1.5 character times. timer expires, kill DE. When you go to write, you enable DE (typically you don't have to wait before starting to write but for long lines or shitty networks, you'll have to wait 0.5-1.5 character times.
2017-02-28T03:54:04 < dongs> upgrdman: i donno
2017-02-28T03:54:11 < dongs> i just copypaste datasheet
2017-02-28T03:54:15 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-28T03:54:22 < aandrew> boB_K7IQ: inverter, as in VFD?
2017-02-28T03:54:26 < dongs> about to open wolframalpha
2017-02-28T03:54:31 < dongs> to try and become smart
2017-02-28T03:54:41 < upgrdman> does it have OCR for schematics??
2017-02-28T03:54:41 < aandrew> boB_K7IQ: talk to sync_, he has some neat shit
2017-02-28T03:54:46 < upgrdman> or you mean sim it manually?
2017-02-28T03:55:12 < dongs> no im gonna try to calc the lowpass thing with varying source impedance values and see if it fits because I know the output is around 30-40mhz
2017-02-28T03:55:55 < dongs> hmm
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2017-02-28T03:56:08 < dongs> yeah it works.
2017-02-28T03:56:13 < dongs> they used 22pF for the C
2017-02-28T03:56:33 < dongs> so even for fairly large-ish values of R its still above 30-40mhz
2017-02-28T03:58:46 < Thorn> looks like aliexpress finally got some form of combined shipping
2017-02-28T03:59:47 < boB_K7IQ> aandrew  Just now read your statement. Turns out that is exactly what I did.  Thanks.  Will raise the DE line in timer interrupt cuz I set it during the UART call
2017-02-28T04:00:25 < boB_K7IQ> No, not VFD.  It's a 48V DC to 120/240 VAC
2017-02-28T04:00:48 < boB_K7IQ> single phase.  1 phase 3 wire to be precise
2017-02-28T04:00:58 < boB_K7IQ> stackable to 3-phase of course
2017-02-28T04:01:09 < aandrew> yep. keep in mind you can tune that stuff but try to plan for worst case, you just know some asshat is gonna put 1km of cable between nodes, without termination, along the same path he ran power wire for his induction furnace which also runs across a busy laneway
2017-02-28T04:01:48 < aandrew> boB_K7IQ: *nods* in my previous life I did industrial power (VFDs and soft starters)
2017-02-28T04:02:06 < dongs> vacuum flourescent displays????????????
2017-02-28T04:02:11 < boB_K7IQ> This particular application is from one module to another internal module 
2017-02-28T04:02:15 < dongs> jk im trollin'
2017-02-28T04:02:29 < aandrew> near the end of that I also built a nice protocol gateway (initially modbus to devicenet, but could also do modbus/tcp and ethernet/ip)
2017-02-28T04:03:32 < boB_K7IQ> They still could of course not put on the termination jumper but in this case, the wire run is very short...  Maybe 40 inches ?  however, when stacking for more power, it will run to a box above or below it and then it might get a bit hairy
2017-02-28T04:03:45 < zyp> aandrew, do you happen to have done any ring ethernet buses?
2017-02-28T04:03:49 < aandrew> boB_K7IQ: how do you intend to do line sync? simple pll and phase it slightly ahead?
2017-02-28T04:04:03 < boB_K7IQ> yep
2017-02-28T04:04:13 < boB_K7IQ> basically
2017-02-28T04:04:14 < aandrew> nice
2017-02-28T04:04:21 < boB_K7IQ> You understand this stuff
2017-02-28T04:04:50 < aandrew> zyp: no. controlnet is the third CIP protocol I could have supported with my stack but nobody used it unless Rockwell came in with hookers and blow ot entice you to buy it
2017-02-28T04:04:54 < aandrew> but that wasn't really ethernet either then
2017-02-28T04:05:21 < boB_K7IQ> aandrew Here in the pacific northwest, there are (or were) a few inverter manufacturers I've been associated with. Magnum, Trace, Outback, etc...  MidNite Solar
2017-02-28T04:05:34 < boB_K7IQ> We use ethernet in another product
2017-02-28T04:05:41 < boB_K7IQ> MPPT charge controller
2017-02-28T04:05:45 < aandrew> boB_K7IQ: oh this is all old hat for you then
2017-02-28T04:05:54 < boB_K7IQ> been doing this for a while, yeah
2017-02-28T04:06:00 < aandrew> I kind of miss the power electronics... nothing like being able to control thousands of A with an itty bitty micro
2017-02-28T04:06:23 < zyp> aandrew, the company I'm starting at want to do some ring ethernet stuff
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2017-02-28T04:06:26 < boB_K7IQ> But things change over time and may be new and better ways of doing things
2017-02-28T04:06:35 < aandrew> zyp: what do you mean by "ring ethernet"
2017-02-28T04:06:39 < boB_K7IQ> Can't know everything or keep up always
2017-02-28T04:07:33 < aandrew> boB_K7IQ: well yeah. back in the day you needed ASICs and lots of fancy analog to keep everything balanced. Now a $5 ARM has PWM peripherals with customized deadtime, synchronous switching and mosfet/IGBT drivers are all super easy to apply
2017-02-28T04:07:55 < aandrew> not to mention companies like ST will give away their motor control code for free to use on their parts
2017-02-28T04:08:27 < zyp> aandrew, most likely ethernet powerlink, for this application
2017-02-28T04:08:29 < boB_K7IQ> Right !  Last product used LPC
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2017-02-28T04:08:39 < aandrew> boB_K7IQ: my condolances
2017-02-28T04:08:42 < zyp> but industrial realtime ethernet stuff seems to be ring based in general
2017-02-28T04:08:43 < aandrew> welcome to STM :-)
2017-02-28T04:08:47 < zyp> ref: ethercat
2017-02-28T04:09:02 < boB_K7IQ> And before that, Atmel AVR for charger
2017-02-28T04:09:09 < zyp> also profinet, I believe
2017-02-28T04:09:19 < boB_K7IQ> Atmel pissed us off big time by shipping defective silicon
2017-02-28T04:09:57 < boB_K7IQ> Yes, Profinet profibus, etc is neat.  Ethernet Power link.  Heard of that.  Sounds useful !
2017-02-28T04:10:57 < boB_K7IQ> going home. feed dogs and back to work some more
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2017-02-28T04:20:51 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/prototype-13245714/
2017-02-28T04:22:10 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Wireless/Electricians-Project/ sweet
2017-02-28T04:22:21 < dongs> i gotta check out shenzhen MAKERSPACE
2017-02-28T04:22:24 < dongs> maybe i'll never wanna leave
2017-02-28T04:23:33 < aandrew> dongerspace
2017-02-28T04:24:11 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Build-microcontroller-project-using-pic/
2017-02-28T04:24:14 < dongs> 'write something about uart'
2017-02-28T04:24:16 < dongs> k
2017-02-28T04:24:23 < dongs> oh, its fucking homework lol
2017-02-28T04:24:26 < dongs> ECE2534
2017-02-28T04:24:38 < dongs> how the fuck do people go through a course and then end up putting this kinda shit on freecancer
2017-02-28T04:25:56 < branjb> lol
2017-02-28T04:26:21 < branjb> dongs take it and then charge them for 20 hours of work
2017-02-28T04:26:44 < dongs> i can't, they aren't required to pay what I charge them
2017-02-28T04:26:45 < dongs> :(
2017-02-28T04:26:56 < dongs> they'll be liek BUT THATS 5 MINUTES OF WORK, FUCK OFF
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2017-02-28T04:37:00 < dongs> Any reason to use F107 for ethernet/usb proj instead of F407?
2017-02-28T04:38:39 < zyp> cost?
2017-02-28T04:38:52 < stvn> ##stm32 channel cred
2017-02-28T04:39:51 < stvn> thats really what its all about sir
2017-02-28T04:40:33 < dongs> i suspect f4-disco F407 can't be that much more expensive
2017-02-28T04:40:39 < stvn> If the temperature coefficient of the output characteristic curve set is to be exploited to
2017-02-28T04:40:39 < stvn> achieve a balance, then PT IGBTs must be thermally coupled, or NPT IGBTs thermally
2017-02-28T04:40:39 < stvn> decoupled.
2017-02-28T04:40:42 < dongs> 405 has no ethernet yeaH?
2017-02-28T04:40:54 < stvn> nice if i knew what type of IGBT i had
2017-02-28T04:43:49 < emeb_mac> I've heard that the 405 has ethernet even though it's not supposed to
2017-02-28T04:44:18 < emeb_mac> don't remember who said that tho
2017-02-28T04:48:51 < PeterM> stvn the datasheet should tell you if its punchthrough or non-punchthrough
2017-02-28T04:49:28 < stvn> yeah should.
2017-02-28T04:49:47 < stvn> hgTG30N60A4D
2017-02-28T04:51:59 < stvn> PT for fast switching devices iirc
2017-02-28T04:56:23 < dongs> hnmm zyp, DP83848KSQ in small qtys is like $.77
2017-02-28T04:56:33 < dongs> emeb_mac: that was 205
2017-02-28T04:56:38 < dongs> and that [Seven] guy or somethign
2017-02-28T04:57:13 < emeb_mac> dongs: ah, well. never tried it myself
2017-02-28T04:59:05 < PeterM> stvn but it has pretty low vCE on which is bommon for npt
2017-02-28T05:00:20 < branjb> opensource/china world is really fascinating
2017-02-28T05:00:28 < branjb> was looking for an example of an IMU gimbal controller
2017-02-28T05:00:40 < branjb> found EvvGC, some code by some dude on rcgroups
2017-02-28T05:00:44 < branjb> google it
2017-02-28T05:00:56 < branjb> 1000000000000000+ chinese boards on aliexexpress/banggood with it preloaded
2017-02-28T05:03:53 < dongs> so
2017-02-28T05:03:56 < dongs> STM32 seminar in JP y/n
2017-02-28T05:04:02 < dongs> englishman: youve been to one was it anything useful
2017-02-28T05:04:07 < PeterM> as iif clive1 is gonna be there
2017-02-28T05:04:10 < dongs> is it gonna be worth $200 ticket
2017-02-28T05:04:26 < dongs> PeterM: sadly, no
2017-02-28T05:04:35 < branjb> does the $200 include juicy girls
2017-02-28T05:04:36 < englishman> i got free devkits and told some faes that hal sucked
2017-02-28T05:04:45 < englishman> but it was free and i was local
2017-02-28T05:04:51 < dongs> sure, this is free also
2017-02-28T05:04:57 < dongs> as long as I can get to tokyo cheap
2017-02-28T05:05:15 < dongs> maybe i can convince one of my coworkers from tokyo office to go
2017-02-28T05:05:20 < dongs> then we can just shoot shit if the seminar sucks
2017-02-28T05:05:25 < englishman> didnt really learn much, it was just going thru code in IAR
2017-02-28T05:05:30 < dongs> IAR eh
2017-02-28T05:05:33 < dongs> they dont even use pro tools?!
2017-02-28T05:05:38 < englishman> yeah it came with 60day license or something
2017-02-28T05:05:47 < englishman> no they go thru different IDEs each conference
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2017-02-28T05:10:04 < dongs> hm
2017-02-28T05:11:25 < dongs> zyp beep, whats the diff between MA5671 and MA5671A?
2017-02-28T05:11:28 < dongs> non-A is avilable
2017-02-28T05:12:43 < dongs> non-A is around 55bux
2017-02-28T05:13:48 < englishman> branjb: evvgc dev is in this chan
2017-02-28T05:15:46 < zyp> dongs, non-A seems to be something completely different
2017-02-28T05:15:51 < zyp> i.e. a standard ONT
2017-02-28T05:16:29 < zyp> https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1nRj5KpXXXXXbXpXXq6xXFXXXE/Huawei-SmartAX-MA5671-GPON-ONU.jpg_350x350.jpg
2017-02-28T05:20:59 < stvn> keep pumping
2017-02-28T05:22:16 < stvn> PeterM, they better get to pumping
2017-02-28T05:25:15 < PeterM> stvn i mis-remembered, low vce on is for pt, so that is almost certainly a pt igbt
2017-02-28T05:25:38 < stvn> hmm we punchin, thanks for the infoz
2017-02-28T05:30:24 < jadew> sup?
2017-02-28T05:30:27 < jadew> what's funny?
2017-02-28T05:31:17 < stvn> everything is funny jadew 
2017-02-28T05:33:33 < dongs> qyp, oh
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2017-02-28T05:44:44 < upgrdman> wuts "pt"
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2017-02-28T05:45:46 < stvn> punch through
2017-02-28T05:45:51 < stvn> a type of igbt technology
2017-02-28T05:47:00 < upgrdman> k
2017-02-28T05:50:41 < dongs> internet punch through
2017-02-28T05:50:45 < dongs> is the technology that neesd to exist
2017-02-28T05:51:42 < dongs> F407 is only 4.7 now
2017-02-28T05:51:51 < dongs> i guess the choiceis obvious here
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2017-02-28T05:51:55 < dongs> and this is in small qtys/ samples
2017-02-28T05:52:07 < dongs> F107VG is gonna be around $3.something
2017-02-28T05:52:12 < dongs> for a much more annoying gpio/pinout
2017-02-28T05:54:33 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAOLyVK1Zm4
2017-02-28T05:54:35 < dongs> ror
2017-02-28T05:55:58 < dongs> apparently can be had @ ebay for aroudn $30
2017-02-28T05:56:00 < emeb_mac> just got some F446 from future for about $5/ea in small qty. Not a bad price for the feature set
2017-02-28T05:56:09 < dongs> cool
2017-02-28T05:56:11 < dongs> which pkg?
2017-02-28T05:56:16 < dongs> is that the one wiht superfast timers?
2017-02-28T05:56:24 < dongs> over 9000picoseconds
2017-02-28T05:56:27 < emeb_mac> LQFP64
2017-02-28T05:56:41 < emeb_mac> don't think there's anything special about the timers on that one
2017-02-28T05:56:51 < dongs> i remember there was omwse F4 with weird timers
2017-02-28T05:57:26 < dongs> Aimagin Blogspot – PlayStation 2 meets Matlab/Simulink and STM32F4
2017-02-28T05:57:26 < dongs> aimagin.com/blog/playstation-2-meets-matlabsimulink-stm32f4/
2017-02-28T05:57:27 < dongs> This site may be hacked.
2017-02-28T05:57:31 < dongs> this site may be hacked.
2017-02-28T05:57:41 < emeb_mac> ehrmagerd!
2017-02-28T05:58:32 < dongs> oh
2017-02-28T05:58:34 < dongs> it was F334
2017-02-28T05:58:37 < dongs> with 217ps timer
2017-02-28T05:58:39 < emeb_mac> that sounds right
2017-02-28T05:58:46 < emeb_mac> thought it was an F3
2017-02-28T05:59:39 < branjb> englishman oh that's cool, who?
2017-02-28T05:59:40 < dongs> what does a nigga do with 217ps timer
2017-02-28T06:00:30 < dongs> This domain name expired on Feb 17 2017 08:21:48:000PM 
2017-02-28T06:00:33 < dongs> (evvgc)
2017-02-28T06:00:41 < englishman> heh
2017-02-28T06:00:46 < branjb> oh
2017-02-28T06:00:49 < branjb> that makes sense
2017-02-28T06:00:52 < englishman> branvan3000 thats for me to know and you to find out
2017-02-28T06:01:17 < branjb> is that when you know you've made it, that you write some random opensource uC code that chinese start cloning?
2017-02-28T06:02:53 < dongs> yes
2017-02-28T06:03:05 < stvn> thats pumping
2017-02-28T06:03:11 < branjb> dongs have the chinese cloned any of your shit?
2017-02-28T06:03:17 < dongs> yeah, pretty much all of it
2017-02-28T06:05:39 < dongs> china doesn't clone until they have a chance of making some profit off the 0.01$ margin
2017-02-28T06:05:50 < dongs> so they dont really care about one-0ff shits that you'll sell 10 per year of
2017-02-28T06:08:46 < branjb> lol
2017-02-28T06:14:26 < branjb> showed a teacher at school that airplane/engineer picture from 9gag
2017-02-28T06:14:29 < branjb> he said it was accurate
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2017-02-28T06:32:50 < dongs> so aandrew did you use something like the shit i asked before
2017-02-28T06:32:59 < dongs> < dongs> http://www.vishay.com/docs/71110/71110.pdf is there something like this thats more modern and actually buyable (attn aandrew)
2017-02-28T06:33:23 < dongs> basically 2 different voltage rails switching to load
2017-02-28T06:42:44 < stvn> shits gettin real
2017-02-28T06:43:02 < stvn> http://au.rs-online.com/web/p/sealant-guns/2397772/
2017-02-28T06:43:23 < dongs> < stvn> http://autism.rs-online.com/web/p/sealant-guns/2397772/
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2017-02-28T06:48:43 < dongs> also wat, RS PRO
2017-02-28T06:48:49 < dongs> since when anything at rs was pro
2017-02-28T06:49:13 < dongs> i fuckign hate that site
2017-02-28T06:49:22 < dongs> its like 2017 and its still totally unusable
2017-02-28T06:50:18 < dongs> su0p R2COMmie
2017-02-28T06:50:19 < dongs> im autisming
2017-02-28T06:50:27 < dongs> looking for power electronics
2017-02-28T06:50:48 < dongs> nothin jsut switcing 5/12V
2017-02-28T06:50:51 < dongs> not too power
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2017-02-28T06:57:44 < englishman> aandrew is too busy rolling around in his pile of money from $AMD stock
2017-02-28T06:58:55 < dongs> ha ha
2017-02-28T06:59:25 < dongs> http://www.xmultiple.com/xdrawXRJB-6.htm wow
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2017-02-28T07:17:12 < dongs> typical gay activities
2017-02-28T07:18:29 < ReadError> incredibly gay
2017-02-28T07:20:08 < upgrdman> "XRJB and XMB" wtf's that mean. is that some ATX naming scheme for those ports?
2017-02-28T07:20:51 < ReadError> dongs: did i ever show you the scope screenshots from the LP2992 china regs?
2017-02-28T07:27:05 < stvn> was reconing some speakers
2017-02-28T07:27:43 < ReadError> more like cornholing, amirite
2017-02-28T07:27:50 < stvn> made the mistake of asking the distributor which adhesive they'd like me to use
2017-02-28T07:28:04 < stvn> ended up with a dispenser that was bigger than a shotgun
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2017-02-28T07:34:55 < stvn> R2COM, just the usual shit
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2017-02-28T07:53:32 < ohsix> sup
2017-02-28T07:53:40 < ohsix> got my stlink back
2017-02-28T07:53:57 < ohsix> hehehe dude toasted the 3v3 reg somehow on the blue board i lent him
2017-02-28T07:54:00 < ohsix> he's gonna buy some more tho
2017-02-28T07:54:54 < ohsix> it's weird, he had the stlink but he used dfu shit
2017-02-28T08:01:06 < ohsix> hm no dac on the 103
2017-02-28T08:03:26 < upgrdman> ohsix, you should replace the little reg with a to220 like i did back when i made this shit pile: http://farrellf.com/temp/stlink_chopped_pcb.jpg
2017-02-28T08:03:46 < dongs> don't give him any ideas
2017-02-28T08:03:47 < ohsix> hax
2017-02-28T08:03:51 < dongs> he might actually do somethign with STM32
2017-02-28T08:03:53 < ohsix> ya i thought it had a 1117 on it
2017-02-28T08:03:54 < dongs> (unlikely)
2017-02-28T08:04:04 < ohsix> i dunno what he did tho
2017-02-28T08:04:09 < ohsix> mine are fine
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2017-02-28T08:05:27 < ohsix> he made a weird little breakout for some of those oled screens
2017-02-28T08:05:32 < ohsix> didn't have it working today tho
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2017-02-28T08:12:07 < dongs> this freecancer dude just offered me $250 for a turnkey pcb+firmware for a non-trivial task. probably a day or two of pcb and about a week or so of firmware
2017-02-28T08:12:12 < dongs> i told him to /msg amp!six instead
2017-02-28T08:15:31 < dongs> apparently he had this dickstarter idea since 2003
2017-02-28T08:15:34 < dongs> er 2013
2017-02-28T08:15:39 < dongs> and he's been paying random indians to make it
2017-02-28T08:15:42 < dongs> and it still hasnt been done
2017-02-28T08:17:35 < ohsix> does he think i'm leelooing every time he talks
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2017-02-28T08:31:19 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/natazilla/status/836452544259874818
2017-02-28T08:39:10 < stvn> weak
2017-02-28T08:40:21 < ohsix> as such things are
2017-02-28T08:40:25 < stvn> jesus fuckin christ upgrdman is that a bomb or something?
2017-02-28T08:40:42 < ohsix> the person that retweeted it to make a joke wasn't funny either
2017-02-28T08:49:21 < upgrdman> stvn, lol, no. just a nig rig'd st link back when i didnt know wtf i was doing. 
2017-02-28T08:49:35 < upgrdman> i dont use it any more, those little $2 ebay stlink clones are so nice
2017-02-28T08:52:24 < dongs> upgrdman: with your first $1k from jewtube, do yourself a favor and buy jewlink ultra+
2017-02-28T08:52:27 < dongs> that shit is fucking amazing
2017-02-28T08:52:31 < dongs> everytime I have to use st-dink at  customers
2017-02-28T08:52:36 < dongs> its like watching paint dry
2017-02-28T08:53:03 < upgrdman> dongs, hmm. the $2 clones can flash my f0/f4 in <2 seconds
2017-02-28T08:53:15 < dongs> full chip? OK.
2017-02-28T08:53:16 < upgrdman> i think the only time i get pissed is when i use semihosting
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2017-02-28T08:53:28 < upgrdman> feels like printf'ing through 9600 or some gay shit
2017-02-28T08:54:14 < stvn> where do i buy jewlink
2017-02-28T08:54:19 < upgrdman> hmm i should play with SWO when i start an f4 project at work
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2017-02-28T08:55:34 < stvn> you have a job?
2017-02-28T08:56:05 < dongs> youtbe.com
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2017-02-28T08:59:27 < stvn> yeah working for google is like having aids but it pays
2017-02-28T09:00:06 < stvn> remember all those black people?
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2017-02-28T09:09:44 < dongs> i do, they don't matter
2017-02-28T09:16:14 < ohsix> sup guys
2017-02-28T09:16:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: have you used the blackmagicprobe
2017-02-28T09:17:10 < upgrdman> ohsix, not yet. lol. never even plugged it in once i realized the uart on it couldnt be used to control it
2017-02-28T09:19:19 < dongs> control what
2017-02-28T09:20:34 < dongs> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e0_1486142135 also totally electronics related
2017-02-28T09:20:50 < dongs> high power electronics
2017-02-28T09:21:12 < upgrdman> dongs, i wanted to program/debug stm32 wirelessly. my dumb ass thought/hoped that the uart on the black anus probe could be used to talk to the bmp. e.g. i wanted to use a bluetooth uart -> bmp -> stm32 target. but lol, no, not possible.
2017-02-28T09:21:25 < dongs> oh right yeah no
2017-02-28T09:21:34 < dongs> it just breaks out a uart for your shit to dick with the target
2017-02-28T09:21:38 < dongs> so you could printf while you printf
2017-02-28T09:21:38 < upgrdman> ya
2017-02-28T09:21:55 < Rickta59> openocd + a rpi zero is useful for stuff like that
2017-02-28T09:22:03 < dongs> you need one of those pro 50ghz wireless USB things
2017-02-28T09:22:15 < upgrdman> Rickta59, ?
2017-02-28T09:22:18 < dongs> Rickta59: i thought the purpose of debugging was to get work done, not to create mroe work
2017-02-28T09:22:48 < dongs> upgrdman: i guess he expects y ou to bitbang SWD on ragberryzero, plug in a USB wifi adpter into that
2017-02-28T09:22:51 < dongs> and ghetto shit around
2017-02-28T09:22:56 < upgrdman> o hmm ya i guess you could use the pi + oocd as a gdb server and connect over wifi
2017-02-28T09:23:14 < upgrdman> but ya sounds like too much work.
2017-02-28T09:23:17 < dongs> or you can spend $500 on jlink ultra+ and not worry about useless shit that barely works
2017-02-28T09:23:34 < upgrdman> maybe if i ever play with stm32 usb stack i'll h4x0r the BMP code to do what i want
2017-02-28T09:23:46 < upgrdman> dongs, ulta+ can be wireless?
2017-02-28T09:24:01 < ohsix> ya the uart is for gdbsits
2017-02-28T09:24:06 < Rickta59> or just put a serial proxy in front of the bmp
2017-02-28T09:24:09 < ohsix> you could use it wirelessly with some help
2017-02-28T09:24:15 < ohsix> what rick said
2017-02-28T09:24:20 < dongs> upgrdman: well,m there's an ethernet version
2017-02-28T09:24:26 < dongs> i nev er got that because i dont understand the need
2017-02-28T09:24:27 < dongs> but yeah
2017-02-28T09:24:42 < dongs> i think its same price as ultra+ too, maybe jlink pro? is the one with eth
2017-02-28T09:24:42 < ohsix> you can write your own gdb stub too
2017-02-28T09:24:49 < upgrdman> dongs, ya i want actual wireless. for robot fuckery. dont want to replace a usb cable with a cat6 cable.
2017-02-28T09:25:01 < ohsix> use gdb over bluetooth
2017-02-28T09:25:22 < ohsix> all you really need is a thing to read a single character lul
2017-02-28T09:25:27 < dongs> oh that.
2017-02-28T09:25:34 < ohsix> and i guess if you want to see the result, write one
2017-02-28T09:25:42 < ohsix> hm
2017-02-28T09:26:02 < ohsix> would be interesting to have the bootloader do the gdb stub and let you change a user section, but lock up the irq for it and shit so it keeps working
2017-02-28T09:26:11 < dongs> it should be trivial to redirect BMP from accepting gdbserver shit over usb-cdc to doing same over uart
2017-02-28T09:26:17 < dongs> so there's your wireless shit
2017-02-28T09:26:20 < upgrdman> theres supposedto be a ras pi zero w coming out with wifi
2017-02-28T09:26:31 < dongs> if its written correctly it should be literally like 2 lines change
2017-02-28T09:26:41 < upgrdman> dongs, exactly.
2017-02-28T09:27:03 < upgrdman> i just havent played with the usb stack so it'd be a steep learning curve. but i will be learning that soon enough for work
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2017-02-28T09:27:16 < dongs> pretty sure bmp uses some opensores shit
2017-02-28T09:27:19 < dongs> that doesnt support F4 anyway.
2017-02-28T09:27:27 < Rickta59> what?
2017-02-28T09:27:39 < ohsix> upgrdman: tell dongs brianna wu is trending on twitter and he might want to see why
2017-02-28T09:27:50 < upgrdman> <ohsix> upgrdman: tell dongs brianna wu is trending on twitter and he might want to see why
2017-02-28T09:27:50 < dongs> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/tree/master/examples/stm32/f4/stm32f4-discovery/usb_msc
2017-02-28T09:27:53 < dongs> maybe it does
2017-02-28T09:27:56 < dongs> shrug
2017-02-28T09:27:58 < ohsix> thx m8
2017-02-28T09:27:59 < dongs> so many folders in libopencm3
2017-02-28T09:28:18 < dongs> if they just made it flat structure so I could use it with keil I'd try
2017-02-28T09:28:33 < ohsix> when dongs was hacking his old foma jap phone, i told him to write a gdb stub, he used it over the cell network olol
2017-02-28T09:28:38 < dongs> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/tree/master/lib/stm32/f4
2017-02-28T09:28:40 < dongs> last changes years ago
2017-02-28T09:28:46 < dongs> doesn't sound very active development
2017-02-28T09:28:52 < dongs> probably still in same "half the shit not implemented" stage
2017-02-28T09:29:30 < ohsix> upgrdman: you could do it over nrf24 or literally anything
2017-02-28T09:29:47 < ohsix> gdb / the stub does all the work on top of the basic sending/receiving of one character
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2017-02-28T09:30:28 < Rickta59> the libopencm3 isn't what bmp uses for targetes
2017-02-28T09:30:38 < Rickta59> that is only for the platform .. which is stm32f103
2017-02-28T09:30:49 < Rickta59> the targets are all in bmp source
2017-02-28T09:30:52 < ReadError> http://nextshark.com/fake-camel-toe-underwear-asia-trend/
2017-02-28T09:30:57 < ReadError> fuckin japs
2017-02-28T09:31:16 < Rickta59> https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/tree/master/src/target .. that is the code for the targets
2017-02-28T09:31:26 < dongs> Rickta59: ...
2017-02-28T09:31:33 < dongs> i am WELL AWARE OF THIS
2017-02-28T09:31:41 < dongs> Rickta59: in order to make BMP talk gdbserver OVER ITS UART
2017-02-28T09:31:48 < dongs> the core BMP code would need to be changed
2017-02-28T09:31:55 < dongs> to not use usb-cdc but uart, instead
2017-02-28T09:32:00 < dongs> it has nothign to do with targets
2017-02-28T09:32:08 < Rickta59> so unless you are porting the bmp stuff to an f4 then you don't use the libopen stuff
2017-02-28T09:32:57 < dongs> Rickta59: my response about BMP using opensores shit (im aware it runs on F1), was in reference to upgrdman "learning STM32 USB stack for work" on a "f4"
2017-02-28T09:33:16 < dongs> so when he looks at F1 libopencm3 code to fuck around wiht BMP, it won't add much knowledge for his F4 work project
2017-02-28T09:33:20 < dongs> that is all
2017-02-28T09:33:20 < ohsix> yea it wasn't to me, whom he has on ignore
2017-02-28T09:33:33 < ohsix> you're now up to date on the clique situation
2017-02-28T09:34:18 < ReadError> gettin sassy up in here
2017-02-28T09:34:30 < ohsix> maximum sass
2017-02-28T09:34:38 < ohsix> did you enjoy taboo
2017-02-28T09:34:59 < ReadError> not started yet, just got back home tonight
2017-02-28T09:35:10 < ohsix> from where
2017-02-28T09:35:16 < ReadError> did watch the 1st ep of the Mick while away
2017-02-28T09:35:17 < ohsix> oh shi the same stuff you were readmobl for?
2017-02-28T09:35:21 < ReadError> visiting some friends in fl
2017-02-28T09:35:29 < dongs> ReadError: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-02-28T09:35:29 < ReadError> nah i use urkcloud fulltime now
2017-02-28T09:35:41 < ReadError> so its running under my primaryh
2017-02-28T09:35:42 < ohsix> last chance to see them before they're killed for being brown huh
2017-02-28T09:36:04 < ReadError> nah they are all quite white
2017-02-28T09:36:12 < ohsix> i have no joke for that
2017-02-28T09:36:51 < ohsix> have some advice for taboo, but not specifically because of that show; don't watch them back to back
2017-02-28T09:36:55 < ohsix> do two a week or something
2017-02-28T09:37:06 < ohsix> shit generally looks like crap if you don't give it room to breathe
2017-02-28T09:37:12 < ReadError> takes a while to realize shit
2017-02-28T09:37:43 < ohsix> ya and it undercuts shows that respect the audience and give them information to chew on
2017-02-28T09:38:05 < ReadError> TI devboards are so $$$
2017-02-28T09:38:08 < ohsix> gotta respect that however you can, cuz the shows that don't are insultingly bad
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2017-02-28T09:39:21 < ohsix> there's a nice risk/danger vs. fucking badass-ness in taboo
2017-02-28T09:39:31 < PeterM> ReadError most devboards for non-digital components are $$$ which is super dumb
2017-02-28T09:39:44 < ohsix> they don't let you forget it
2017-02-28T09:39:56 < ReadError> PeterM: well ST manages to sell you a pretty decent board for not nearly as much
2017-02-28T09:40:02 < ReadError> in perspective 
2017-02-28T09:40:15 < ohsix> ti doesn't need to promote their parts like that
2017-02-28T09:40:16 < ReadError> BOM is higher for ST 100% and price is a way lower
2017-02-28T09:40:20 < ohsix> they're big silicon
2017-02-28T09:40:46 < ohsix> there's a lot of 'sales' / design contact with ti too
2017-02-28T09:40:54 < PeterM> yeah
2017-02-28T09:41:15 < ohsix> friend doing some shit talked to them abotu wearables and sensors and shit
2017-02-28T09:41:21 < ohsix> they want in on everything
2017-02-28T09:41:29 < PeterM> and then you see devboards from LT and you jsut laugh
2017-02-28T09:41:48 < PeterM> look at this http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/linear-technology/DC2064A/DC2064A-ND/4866641
2017-02-28T09:42:20 < dongs> uhh what the shiut
2017-02-28T09:42:29 < ReadError> lol they can fuckoff with all that
2017-02-28T09:42:41 < dongs> LT goes like: hey guise, here's how NOT to use our parts, have a devboard!
2017-02-28T09:43:27 < dongs> why so many transformers on that thing
2017-02-28T09:43:56 < dongs> hey they have orcad sch and .pcb in there for download
2017-02-28T09:44:04 < ReadError> but at 50$ for a board with a 5$ IC
2017-02-28T09:44:09 < ReadError> I might as well spin my own
2017-02-28T09:44:13 < ReadError> and have more than 1
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2017-02-28T09:45:26 < PeterM> i often do that, tests the layout, part, etc and its cheaper and i can pretty much copypasta it into my design
2017-02-28T09:47:59 < ReadError> could probably even single layer home etch this
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2017-02-28T09:54:12 < stvn> delicious copypasta
2017-02-28T09:55:15 < ohsix> you're not supposed to eat it
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2017-02-28T10:08:54 < upgrdman> anyone ordered from 4pcb.com before
2017-02-28T10:09:17 < upgrdman> how long should it take for them to reply to an email askign for a quote of pcb assembly
2017-02-28T10:09:30 < upgrdman> i emailed those faggots on thursday
2017-02-28T10:09:35 < ReadError> upgrdman: ive used sunstone 
2017-02-28T10:09:40 < ReadError> domestic quickturn
2017-02-28T10:10:33 < upgrdman> ReadError, how long to get a quote from them?
2017-02-28T10:10:44 < ReadError> instant iirc
2017-02-28T10:10:50 < ReadError> I didnt pay
2017-02-28T10:10:56 < ReadError> they had to get the files
2017-02-28T10:11:02 < ReadError> and they made me change some holes
2017-02-28T10:11:07 < ReadError> to specific sizes
2017-02-28T10:11:10 < ReadError> it was retarded
2017-02-28T10:11:13 < ReadError> but they came fast
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2017-02-28T10:15:12 < ohsix> in the future, the only manual labor still being done, will be making pcbs
2017-02-28T10:18:38 < ohsix> https://bkultrasound.com/sonic-window-handheld-ultrasound/ nice
2017-02-28T10:18:42 < ohsix> i wanna build 1
2017-02-28T10:20:09 < Tectu> I am tectu
2017-02-28T10:20:19 < ohsix> fake news
2017-02-28T10:24:11 < ReadError> look at this retarded efnet chatter
2017-02-28T10:24:14 < ReadError> 3:15:37 AM <Shawn|465> GlassVT220 at 15 in Hexchat provides a cool terminal effect
2017-02-28T10:24:14 < ReadError> 3:15:47 AM <ReadError> ermm
2017-02-28T10:24:14 < ReadError> 3:16:00 AM <Shawn|465> http://prntscr.com/eebbfd
2017-02-28T10:24:24 < ReadError> apparently that font is 'kewl'
2017-02-28T10:24:37 < stvn> hows it taste?
2017-02-28T10:24:41 < ReadError> more like retarded
2017-02-28T10:24:45 < ohsix> cmon
2017-02-28T10:25:03 < ohsix> just tell stvn to join
2017-02-28T10:25:11 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/K1cqDS7W/hack.png
2017-02-28T10:25:19 < ReadError> he said this looks to 'plain'
2017-02-28T10:25:49 < ohsix> looks like crap
2017-02-28T10:25:54 < PeterM> his font prettymuch gave me a hereadache
2017-02-28T10:26:02 < PeterM> *headache
2017-02-28T10:26:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/x2XgM7d.png leelooman right here guise
2017-02-28T10:26:32 < ohsix> he's on ##reddit-christian
2017-02-28T10:27:19 < ReadError> dalnet too
2017-02-28T10:27:22 < ReadError> sick pervert 
2017-02-28T10:27:33 < ohsix> shit
2017-02-28T10:27:40 < ohsix> i hold doors open for everyone
2017-02-28T10:27:57 < ohsix> if they won't close fully before the next person gets there
2017-02-28T10:28:27 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7-Ye4kopYI
2017-02-28T10:29:24 < ohsix> http://www.spielberg-ocr.com/stationary/check-OCR-A-font.jpg ocr-a looks good on paper too
2017-02-28T10:30:42 < ohsix> heh
2017-02-28T10:31:00 < ohsix> 'course almost all uses of ocr-a has been replaced by barcodes
2017-02-28T10:31:15 < ohsix> would be a nerd superpower to use a barcode font
2017-02-28T10:34:58 < ReadError> 3:32:57 AM <ReadError> look, its horrible and you should feel ashamed
2017-02-28T10:34:59 < ReadError> 3:33:21 AM <Shawn|465> dont deflect your feelings on me
2017-02-28T10:35:04 < ReadError> lul
2017-02-28T10:35:29 < stvn> completely throw it away
2017-02-28T10:37:48 < stvn> u wanna do it raw
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2017-02-28T10:43:25 < dongs> ReadError: your 'hack shit doesnt even show up as a font in p0utty
2017-02-28T10:43:29 < dongs> completely fuckingh useless
2017-02-28T10:43:42 < ReadError> dongs: needs reboot on windows
2017-02-28T10:43:48 < ReadError> osx doesnt
2017-02-28T10:43:48 < dongs> ... no it doesnt
2017-02-28T10:43:54 < dongs> are you retarded
2017-02-28T10:44:06 < ReadError> yea it does, did for me anyways
2017-02-28T10:44:21 < dongs> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2017-02-28T10:44:24 < dongs> i can use that fucking font in notepad
2017-02-28T10:44:41 < dongs> windows fonts never need a reboot what teh shit are you talkin about
2017-02-28T10:44:43 < ReadError> let me try on a fresh box
2017-02-28T10:45:32 < dongs> anyawy hack looks terrible
2017-02-28T10:45:34 < dongs> way too fat
2017-02-28T10:45:56 < dongs> the chatfont im using now is perfect
2017-02-28T10:46:09 < stvn> the shassis
2017-02-28T10:46:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/61afBta.png
2017-02-28T10:47:06 < stvn> hmmm
2017-02-28T10:47:27 < stvn> 1 mixer serviced today and im over it
2017-02-28T10:47:54 < ReadError> too wide
2017-02-28T10:48:35 < dongs> breaking news bro
2017-02-28T10:48:41 < dongs> hack is iDENTICAL WIDTH AT THAT SIZE
2017-02-28T10:49:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ErcPCGb.png
2017-02-28T10:49:22 < dongs> both windows are 132x50
2017-02-28T10:49:30 < dongs> and they're identical width/height in pixels
2017-02-28T10:49:42 < stvn> you motherfuckers tryna blow the roof off?
2017-02-28T10:50:10 < ohsix> what fails in a mixer aside from power supply and moving parts
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2017-02-28T10:50:23 < stvn> fuck you tectu
2017-02-28T10:50:35 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EmQekBty/hackwin.png
2017-02-28T10:50:37 < dongs> im tryin to tell this pro chatter his tools are junk
2017-02-28T10:50:39 < ReadError> well see
2017-02-28T10:50:43 < ReadError> rebooted 
2017-02-28T10:50:48 < ReadError> and it shows up now
2017-02-28T10:50:53 < dongs> it has been showing up
2017-02-28T10:50:57 < dongs> i just had to open a new putty window
2017-02-28T10:51:02 < dongs> shit probably cached wrong junk
2017-02-28T10:51:11 < dongs> INSTALLING FONTS ON WINDOWS NEVER NEEDS A REBOOT FUCKING LOL DUDE
2017-02-28T10:51:13 < dongs> how long haev you been using windows
2017-02-28T10:51:21 < dongs> to not know this
2017-02-28T10:51:33 < ReadError> ive never installed other fonts on windows
2017-02-28T10:51:34 < ohsix> it depends on the application
2017-02-28T10:51:41 < dongs> k
2017-02-28T10:51:59 < dongs> basically admit to being a shiteating faggot jew
2017-02-28T10:52:11 < dongs> 2 more bga boards made, both work. im on a roll
2017-02-28T10:52:12 < ReadError> ok fine, its true
2017-02-28T10:52:17 < dongs> time to make 1000
2017-02-28T10:52:19 < stvn> fuck.
2017-02-28T10:52:34 < ohsix> this is a court order that says you have to stop eating shit
2017-02-28T10:52:49 < ReadError> fuck the police
2017-02-28T10:53:06 < stvn> they killed babbie
2017-02-28T10:53:16 < stvn> cause babbie cant frigct back
2017-02-28T10:54:07 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeqX3TrP1W0
2017-02-28T10:54:31 < ReadError> mosh is pretty dope
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2017-02-28T10:55:55 < ReadError> i wish there was a better windows terminal emulator tho
2017-02-28T10:55:58 < ReadError> putty kinda sucks
2017-02-28T10:56:59 < ohsix> why
2017-02-28T10:57:11 < ReadError> no tab support
2017-02-28T10:57:22 < ReadError> no emoji support
2017-02-28T10:58:39 < ohsix> k
2017-02-28T10:58:55 < ReadError> tabs is pretty basic shit
2017-02-28T10:59:05 < ohsix> i've done been pro for so long that i can tell you it doesn't matter \m/
2017-02-28T10:59:26 < ohsix> but, also not using putty very often, mostly as a serial terminal now
2017-02-28T11:00:00 < ohsix> anymore
2017-02-28T11:00:09 < stvn> as the free software guys say 'write your own'
2017-02-28T11:00:43 < ReadError> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/OGvZNmUn/
2017-02-28T11:00:50 < ReadError> but do u go hard
2017-02-28T11:01:16 < stvn> nah
2017-02-28T11:01:17 < ReadError> there should be 4 more but im lazy
2017-02-28T11:01:26 < stvn> ok what to do
2017-02-28T11:01:36 < ohsix> do you even chef bro
2017-02-28T11:01:44 < ReadError> i salt
2017-02-28T11:01:51 < ReadError> cuz better
2017-02-28T11:02:07 < ReadError> salt-ssh dont even need a minion altho i have that too
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2017-02-28T11:02:43 < dongs> tabs are fucking retarded
2017-02-28T11:02:51 < dongs> i have windows, and i know how to alt-tab
2017-02-28T11:03:01 < ohsix> you fail haha
2017-02-28T11:03:01 < dongs> i dont need each app coming up with their own retarded way to manage their windows
2017-02-28T11:03:04 < dongs> thanks
2017-02-28T11:03:30 < ohsix> there are keystrokes for switching between windows of the same application, and it is not alt-tab
2017-02-28T11:04:07 < ReadError> ohsix: yea, and they dont exist on windows by default
2017-02-28T11:04:09 < ReadError> fyi
2017-02-28T11:04:22 < ohsix> .
2017-02-28T11:04:40 < ReadError> ok, tell me which keys then
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2017-02-28T11:08:10 < stvn> this is all fucked mate
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2017-02-28T11:09:14 < ohsix> i'll have to see what i was doing, dunno offhand
2017-02-28T11:09:21 < ohsix> no winduz near
2017-02-28T11:09:28 < ReadError> ohsix: well I can tell you
2017-02-28T11:09:36 < ReadError> its possible w/ a 3rd party app
2017-02-28T11:09:55 < ohsix> what isn't tho
2017-02-28T11:10:08 < ohsix> in shell, one of them is alt+`
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2017-02-28T11:10:46 < ohsix> watching tha frontline docu
2017-02-28T11:11:06 < ohsix> it kind of did start with sarah palin :D
2017-02-28T11:11:08 < ReadError> on osx its commmand+`
2017-02-28T11:11:14 < ohsix> nice
2017-02-28T11:11:24 < ReadError> i got that mapped the same on win
2017-02-28T11:12:07 < stvn> i think you've been cheated
2017-02-28T11:12:43 < ohsix> tides of numenera is out
2017-02-28T11:13:12 < ReadError> stvn: excuse me?
2017-02-28T11:13:31 < stvn> you listen to me you two bit woof woof woof woof
2017-02-28T11:14:15 < stvn> https://youtu.be/8MWvlp5Hidc?t=1m3s
2017-02-28T11:14:21 < stvn> ^
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2017-02-28T11:27:04 < stvn> fucken sick
2017-02-28T11:30:58 < karlp> aandrew: modbus is ok.  also, alllll hte stm32s have "shift register empty" interrupts, and the newer ones have explicit pin control support for doing the DE control automatically. it's not nearly as hard as it seems
2017-02-28T11:31:11 < stvn> nsf? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eHrmPC1uzU
2017-02-28T11:31:32 < zyp> the auto DE stuff is neat
2017-02-28T11:31:33 < karlp> boB_K7IQ: you know you can't mix ascii output for debug at the same time as you're a modbus device right?
2017-02-28T11:31:37 < zyp> I'm using it on L0
2017-02-28T11:32:13 < zyp> karlp, why would you do that, this is not an AVR with only one uart
2017-02-28T11:34:31 < dongs> ror
2017-02-28T11:35:23 < stvn> rotate right
2017-02-28T11:35:27 < dongs> even if avr had more thasn one uart tarrduino wuld onlyt supprot one
2017-02-28T11:37:31 < boB_K7IQ> karlp  Sure I suppose so (mixing the two)  But right now I just need simple variable dumps and maybe a bit of changes from the keyboard like up and down
2017-02-28T11:38:26 < stvn> pumping cones 
2017-02-28T11:38:27 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/biDFP2d.jpg
2017-02-28T11:38:58 < dongs> did they blow them out
2017-02-28T11:39:28 < stvn> yeah mate
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2017-02-28T11:40:48 < stvn> pissant amps, no proper loudspeaker management control
2017-02-28T11:41:26 < dongs> totally non pro
2017-02-28T11:42:04 < stvn> pretty simple, just do what the datasheets say and you wont have issues
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2017-02-28T11:45:10 < stvn> then the dirty cowboy sells them with 'a piece from here a piece from there' and leaves the client in the dark
2017-02-28T11:46:41 < stvn> the problem is it makes the brand look shit
2017-02-28T11:52:20 < karlp> dongs: last change in f4 was 6 months ago, and it's not like f4 is changing every day :)
2017-02-28T11:54:37 < stvn> dongs32
2017-02-28T11:55:53 < karlp> dongs: what font are you using?
2017-02-28T11:56:39 < stvn> that is classified
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2017-02-28T11:58:41 < stvn> if the pumpers were to find out that means trouble
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2017-02-28T12:12:44 < dongs> karlp: last c hange on F4 was in some fucking makefile shit thats not even related to F4 :)
2017-02-28T12:13:20 < dongs> http://www.spacex.com/news/2017/02/27/spacex-send-privately-crewed-dragon-spacecraft-beyond-moon-next-year lol
2017-02-28T12:13:31 < stvn> the autotransformer
2017-02-28T12:14:33 < stvn> 860VA transformer, sure i'll take that
2017-02-28T12:15:40 < karlp> dongs: lurn 2 reed :)
2017-02-28T12:16:03 < karlp> the makefile was 7months ago, but the last commit was on f4 pll quirks for one of the newer parts from september
2017-02-28T12:16:13 < stvn> scrapping some 'beyond economical repair gear'
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2017-02-28T12:16:39 < karlp> also, much of the code that changes these days is in teh common dir with all the common peripherals
2017-02-28T12:20:22 < dongs> im just doin my trollin job
2017-02-28T12:24:15 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/252734488212?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT got this for my bike
2017-02-28T12:24:20 < ohsix> came usps for free, 8 days
2017-02-28T12:24:38 < ohsix> can't take it apart to change resistors like i wanted, but it is pretty crazy
2017-02-28T12:25:06 < ohsix> came with an allen wrench too heheh
2017-02-28T12:28:57 < stvn> thats good
2017-02-28T12:29:24 < ohsix> h3
2017-02-28T12:29:25 < ohsix> h
2017-02-28T12:29:39 < ohsix> if you do a flyback boost thing, will the diode forward voltage limit how high it goes
2017-02-28T12:29:57 < ohsix> i think i've seen circuits that do this, voltage goes up until the diodes are biased, then current flows, repeat
2017-02-28T12:34:01 < ReadError> http://www.getfpv.com/frsky-m9-hall-sensor-gimbal-for-taranis-x9d-x9d-plus.html
2017-02-28T12:34:05 < ReadError> so cute, i want
2017-02-28T12:34:41 < PeterM> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MiniSTM32F746NG-Core-Board-32Bit-Cortex-M7-Kernel-STM32F746NG-for-Arduino/32571842187.html
2017-02-28T12:34:46 < PeterM> >for arduino LOL
2017-02-28T12:34:54 < stvn> yes.
2017-02-28T12:35:10 < stvn> digitalwrite has never been so fast
2017-02-28T12:35:15 < dongs> typical fucking aliexpresss faggotry
2017-02-28T12:35:24 < dongs> they just add 'for arduino' to anything to make it sell
2017-02-28T12:35:32 < dongs> anal dildo for arduino
2017-02-28T12:35:35 < dongs> guaranteed sales
2017-02-28T12:35:40 < PeterM> also, ReadError, thats pretty cheap
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2017-02-28T12:36:39 < stvn> sanwah
2017-02-28T12:36:49 < ohsix> is wearing out actually a thing? hundreds of horus at least on the potentiometer ones right?
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2017-02-28T12:37:01 < PeterM> like, $20 gets you a pretty nice stick wiht all the mechanicals, just need a hole i nyour enclosure to mouynt it
2017-02-28T12:37:16 < dongs> iirc those lynx pot-based shits were around same price
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2017-02-28T12:37:22 < dongs> i got 2 , still havent done shit with them
2017-02-28T12:37:29 < dongs> in my drawer collecting dost
2017-02-28T12:37:33 < dongs> dust, too
2017-02-28T12:37:49 < stvn> amperes
2017-02-28T12:38:00 < ReadError> dongs: the hitec shits?
2017-02-28T12:38:04 < ReadError> its hall sensors
2017-02-28T12:38:12 < dongs> no clu. yes maybe
2017-02-28T12:38:13 < dongs> is it?
2017-02-28T12:38:15 < dongs> fuck if i know.
2017-02-28T12:38:16 < ReadError> yes
2017-02-28T12:38:17 < dongs> the red ones.
2017-02-28T12:38:20 < ReadError> the new ones are
2017-02-28T12:38:24 < ReadError> the old red hitec arent
2017-02-28T12:38:28 < ReadError> they are just nice
2017-02-28T12:39:22 < dongs> shruggery
2017-02-28T12:39:33 < dongs> i dont see anytime i'll be using these anyway
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2017-02-28T12:40:56 < ReadError> those tiny whaps are fun
2017-02-28T12:41:08 < ohsix> whaps is slang for tits
2017-02-28T12:41:15 < ReadError> maybe 
2017-02-28T12:41:19 < ReadError> those can be fun too
2017-02-28T12:41:42 < ohsix> my recently favorite is slash
2017-02-28T12:41:44 < ohsix> for pissing
2017-02-28T12:42:06 < ReadError> AUW is like 27g
2017-02-28T12:42:15 < ReadError> can smash it into walls
2017-02-28T12:42:22 < ReadError> wont hurt anything
2017-02-28T12:42:31 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyveF0uadPI
2017-02-28T12:42:32 < ReadError> w/ full fpv shit
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2017-02-28T12:46:03 < stvn> hi dad
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2017-02-28T12:54:05 < stvn> EGG
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2017-02-28T13:20:01 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Enter-the-correct-password-to-open-the-lock-within-the-gibven-time-to-escape-room-takagism/32777005513.html?spm=2114.01010208.6.7.4vAKPx&s=p
2017-02-28T13:20:21 < ohsix> nothing interesting there for shipping, nothing interesting at all
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2017-02-28T13:44:26 < stvn> Steffanx let the ducks out
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2017-02-28T13:58:08 < ReadError> quit being a weirdo 
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2017-02-28T13:58:53 < stvn> sup ReadError 
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2017-02-28T14:02:09 < stvn> dongs, where is leeloo
2017-02-28T14:02:52 < corecode> hi
2017-02-28T14:02:57 < stvn> hi mate
2017-02-28T14:03:17 < stvn> tell me your EE stories
2017-02-28T14:03:36 < corecode> i'm working on a bootloader, and somehow the USB control transfer fails when i erase all flash pages while processing the control tranfer
2017-02-28T14:03:39 < corecode> i wonder why
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2017-02-28T14:04:02 < corecode> maybe i need to set ep0 to auto-nak?
2017-02-28T14:04:42 < stvn> and here i am working on BJT power amplifiers and you're all USBing up this shit
2017-02-28T14:05:23 < zyp> corecode, which part?
2017-02-28T14:06:03 < zyp> corecode, I assume you've loaded everything into ram so the bootloader doesn't need anything that's in flash?
2017-02-28T14:06:33 < corecode> no i have not
2017-02-28T14:06:39 < corecode> actually i'm erasing a subset of the pages
2017-02-28T14:06:41 < corecode> one by one
2017-02-28T14:07:09 < zyp> are you sure your erase function is sane?
2017-02-28T14:07:40 < corecode> no, but if i single step through it it works
2017-02-28T14:07:48 < corecode> it seems to be some usb timeout
2017-02-28T14:08:00 < stvn> sanity is a valuable asset 15 mins after joining ##stm32 
2017-02-28T14:08:19 < zyp> corecode, yeah could be, erase is a fairly slow operation
2017-02-28T14:08:38 < corecode> zyp: i guess i can't hold the control transfer confirmation packet arbitrarily long
2017-02-28T14:08:40 < dongs> stvn: could he have /parted
2017-02-28T14:08:40 < zyp> and control timeout is typically something like three seconds
2017-02-28T14:08:43 < dongs> after nonstop abuse?
2017-02-28T14:08:47 < zyp> corecode, correct
2017-02-28T14:08:51 < stvn> dongs, maybe.... ..
2017-02-28T14:08:56 < dongs> that would be great
2017-02-28T14:09:35 < zyp> corecode, other endpoints may have arbitrarily long timeouts, but ep0 is limited to three seconds or so, because a pending control transfer will block all other control requests to that device
2017-02-28T14:10:43 < PeterM> iirc thismorning Steffanx set +k +b
2017-02-28T14:11:20 < dongs> < zyp> shame, leeloo sometimes says interesting stuff
2017-02-28T14:11:22 < dongs> busted
2017-02-28T14:11:27 < corecode> trying to find the section in the usb spec
2017-02-28T14:11:37 < stvn> idk how he puts up with her rambling
2017-02-28T14:11:40 < zyp> dongs, haha
2017-02-28T14:11:46 < zyp> but it's true
2017-02-28T14:11:49 < corecode> zyp: happens after a second
2017-02-28T14:11:52 < stvn> zyp, you're a very patient person, i'll give you that.
2017-02-28T14:11:54 < dongs> i wouldnt know, i ahve it on ignore
2017-02-28T14:11:58 < PeterM> sometimes is a hell of a qualifier
2017-02-28T14:12:22 < zyp> dongs, well, a bunch of it is c++ shit you wouldn't be interested in anyway
2017-02-28T14:12:32 < dongs> yeah, like writing your own fucking STM32 HAL?
2017-02-28T14:12:37 < dongs> as if ST-HAL wasnt bad enough
2017-02-28T14:12:45 < dongs> now there's leeloo-hal with poor programming decisions
2017-02-28T14:13:13 < stvn> think of the kid who builds the billycart which rolls off a hill into oncoming traffic
2017-02-28T14:13:14 < stvn> RIP
2017-02-28T14:14:19 < zyp> stvn, I'm good at filtering what's interesting and not and disengaging from conversations I'm not getting anything from (knowledge, entertainment, whatever)
2017-02-28T14:14:51 < stvn> fair
2017-02-28T14:15:09 < dongs> I'm okay with entertainment but like
2017-02-28T14:15:17 < dongs> just non-stop stream of crap gets old
2017-02-28T14:15:31 < stvn> like that crt faggot
2017-02-28T14:15:36 < zyp> stvn, agreed
2017-02-28T14:15:40 < stvn> [:
2017-02-28T14:19:41 < corecode> zyp: usb 9.2.6.4
2017-02-28T14:19:50 < corecode> usb 2.0 9.2.6.4
2017-02-28T14:24:31 < corecode> aha, yes
2017-02-28T14:24:34 < Thorn> so I order the j-link clone, within 3 or 4 hours (I guess at ~7am their time) the seller posts 4 pictures of the package (including label with my address) and its contents
2017-02-28T14:25:03 < Thorn> service level: aliexpress
2017-02-28T14:26:04 < dongs> eh
2017-02-28T14:26:06 < dongs> which one did you get
2017-02-28T14:26:12 < dongs> the old atmel shits are brickable and worthless
2017-02-28T14:26:23 < dongs> and come wiht ancient firmware that doesnt support M7
2017-02-28T14:27:06 < ReadError> ya that crt chatter is horrible
2017-02-28T14:28:03 < stvn> yeah the most annoying bit is when he posts that LRH efnet shit
2017-02-28T14:28:11 < ReadError> any dual fet packages specifically designed for motor reversing ?
2017-02-28T14:28:27 < Thorn> this one https://www.aliexpress.com/item/V8-V9-V9-3-V9-4-Software-SUPPORT-GOOD-QUALITY-Jlink-j-link-IF-YOU-HAVE/32779051270.html
2017-02-28T14:28:35 < ReadError> was trying to cut down on footprint space figured it could re-use a lot of pins
2017-02-28T14:29:45 < Thorn> I think the chip is stm32f205
2017-02-28T14:30:13 < dongs> Thorn: ok that should be F4 one
2017-02-28T14:30:17 < dongs> pop it open when you get it and see
2017-02-28T14:34:25 < Thorn> also I got 100 pin headers for $5.62, is that too expensive
2017-02-28T14:38:38 < ReadError> horrible deal
2017-02-28T14:42:02 < PeterM> ReadError for what current? there are full on halfbridges in a package for liek 30a 30v 
2017-02-28T14:42:06 < PeterM> *full bridges
2017-02-28T14:45:01 < ReadError> PeterM: no more than 5A
2017-02-28T14:45:06 < ReadError> or higher than 20V
2017-02-28T14:45:23 < ReadError> so pretty small is objective #1'
2017-02-28T14:45:57 < ReadError> was just thinking if they had been made for that purpose they could have a reduced footprint]
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2017-02-28T14:51:20 < zyp> corecode, ah, five
2017-02-28T14:51:26 < zyp> I think it depends a bit on the host
2017-02-28T14:52:52 < corecode> it's hidapi's use of libusb - it sets a 1s timeout
2017-02-28T14:54:10 < zyp> corecode, so you're making a HID bootloader API
2017-02-28T14:54:23 < zyp> are you making a separate erase command?
2017-02-28T14:55:46 < corecode> i have a "start update", which then erases all pages for the application
2017-02-28T14:57:56 < zyp> that sounds inefficient
2017-02-28T14:58:26 < zyp> does your start command take a length to know how much data that's coming, i.e. how much to erase?
2017-02-28T14:59:34 < zyp> in my bootloader, I just erase each page right before writing the first word to it
2017-02-28T14:59:59 < zyp> ref. http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n71
2017-02-28T15:00:22 < zyp> prepare() just unlocks the flash and initializes the state machine
2017-02-28T15:00:53 < corecode> yea so this is in mental preparation for a secure bootloader
2017-02-28T15:01:20 < corecode> erasing all application ensures that a flashed short firmware can't read out the rest
2017-02-28T15:01:40 < karlp> "secure"
2017-02-28T15:02:33 < corecode> yes
2017-02-28T15:02:36 < zyp> that sounds reasonable enough, but in that case you should probably make that command async
2017-02-28T15:02:49 < corecode> that's what i am doing
2017-02-28T15:02:53 < zyp> one command to start the erase process, one command to poll if it's finished
2017-02-28T15:03:04 < corecode> i'll just do it like dfu
2017-02-28T15:03:25 < zyp> that explains why DFU got all the middle states :)
2017-02-28T15:03:35 < corecode> but i guess i need to set usb ep0 to NAK
2017-02-28T15:03:38 < zyp> I wrote my bootloader as DFU first, and skipped through several states
2017-02-28T15:03:43 < corecode> can you even NAK setup transfers?
2017-02-28T15:03:53 < corecode> yea mine does as well
2017-02-28T15:04:19 < zyp> of course you can NAK it, that's what makes it try again
2017-02-28T15:04:34 < zyp> you don't set NAK, the hardware just NAKs until you have data to respond
2017-02-28T15:04:41 < zyp> or are you talking about NAK OUT?
2017-02-28T15:05:17 < zyp> anyway, what you can't NAK are SETUP packets
2017-02-28T15:05:28 < zyp> you always need to be able to handle SETUP packets in a timely manner
2017-02-28T15:05:50 < zyp> so you'll want to make sure that your usbd_poll() or whatever gets called in between sectors, in case host wants to talk to you
2017-02-28T15:06:06 < corecode> NAKing SETUP
2017-02-28T15:06:11 < corecode> yea
2017-02-28T15:06:22 < zyp> not possible
2017-02-28T15:06:56 < zyp> a SETUP packet doubles as a reset of the ep0 state machine, so whatever state it were in, it should reset and handle the new SETUP packet
2017-02-28T15:07:08 < corecode> yea
2017-02-28T15:08:02 < zyp> your hardware will then read the SETUP packet and ACK it for you, and then you have those five seconds (or less) to respond with a data or status stage
2017-02-28T15:08:26 < zyp> after SETUP, host will get NAKs for the data/status stage until you're ready for that
2017-02-28T15:11:16 < Thorn> unless a "smart" usb driver immediately programs the peripheral to receive data packets
2017-02-28T15:11:36 < Thorn> (I had that initially in my driver but fixed it since)
2017-02-28T15:14:09 < corecode> so can i access flash while a page is erasing?
2017-02-28T15:14:36 < zyp> corecode, again, which chip?
2017-02-28T15:14:42 < corecode> gd32 :)
2017-02-28T15:14:50 < zyp> who the fuck knows
2017-02-28T15:15:00 < corecode>  If a read/write operation is initiated during
2017-02-28T15:15:01 < corecode> programming, (BSY bit set), the CPU stalls until the ongoing main Flash memory
2017-02-28T15:15:01 < corecode> programming is over
2017-02-28T15:15:03 < corecode> says stm32 manual
2017-02-28T15:15:15 < corecode> okay, fair enough
2017-02-28T15:15:25 < zyp> yes, but gd32 flash is the biggest difference from stm32
2017-02-28T15:15:27 < corecode> doesn't say about erasing tho
2017-02-28T15:15:30 < corecode> yes
2017-02-28T15:15:33 < zyp> since it got a separate serial flash die stacked on top
2017-02-28T15:15:52 < zyp> anyway, just poll between sectors
2017-02-28T15:16:13 < zyp> as long as each sector erases fairly fast, you'll still process shit that happens meanwhile in a timely manner that way
2017-02-28T15:16:46 < corecode> yea
2017-02-28T15:17:07 < corecode> surprising that erasing 50 pages takes more than a second
2017-02-28T15:17:25 < zyp> erase is a slow operation
2017-02-28T15:17:31 < corecode> it is indeed
2017-02-28T15:17:43 < Thorn> btw, synopsys docs talk about back-to-back setup packets, does this happen when the device doesn't ACK the first setup packet?
2017-02-28T15:17:45 < zyp> and I have no idea about gd32 flash performance
2017-02-28T15:17:54 < zyp> doesn't surprise me if it's worse than stm32
2017-02-28T15:18:12 < zyp> Thorn, hmm, I talked to my usb guru about this, hang on
2017-02-28T15:18:38 < Thorn> I want to reproduce this situation to test how my driver handles it
2017-02-28T15:19:04 < corecode> or host error?
2017-02-28T15:21:09 < zyp> Thorn, my usb guru said that he thought that back to back requirement was about how many tries the host will do in case of package loss on the bus
2017-02-28T15:21:36 < zyp> so yeah, I guess if the ACKs get lost, the host will retry and you'll get another
2017-02-28T15:22:06 < Thorn> oh ok I see, so it's not easy to reproduce
2017-02-28T15:22:38 < Thorn> you can't make dwc_otg not ack the setup packet afaik
2017-02-28T15:22:53 < Thorn> (and can't disable ep0)
2017-02-28T15:23:04 < zyp> «I have a test tool for freebsd that can send aborted control requests if you'd like to test»
2017-02-28T15:23:21 < zyp> this guy is the main usb developer for freebsd
2017-02-28T15:23:52 < Thorn> lol freebsd. I wonder if it's going to work in a VM
2017-02-28T15:24:21 < Thorn> I guess I'll try to do the same when I get to implementing usb host
2017-02-28T15:25:10 < zyp> you might also be interested in the libopencm3 issue that was related to this
2017-02-28T15:25:46 < Thorn> I think I read that on github
2017-02-28T15:25:55 < Thorn> product idea: usb analyzer with a 'kill ACKs' feature
2017-02-28T15:26:44 < BrainDamage> you might as well be able to swallow arbitrary sequences, this way it's more flexible
2017-02-28T15:26:54 < Thorn> sure
2017-02-28T15:27:10 < zyp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/issues/668
2017-02-28T15:28:40 < karlp> corecode: and that issue is the PR I linked you earlier
2017-02-28T15:29:33 < karlp> I'd love a proper test case for it though, not "this bitcoin wallet device with it's host software will fail on windows sometimes"
2017-02-28T15:30:40 < corecode> heh
2017-02-28T15:30:51 < corecode> i'll have a look when i find the time
2017-02-28T15:32:22 < Thorn> btw it looks like GRXSTSR isn't useful on F4, you can't tell by reading it whether the FIFO s empty (it will always return the last setup packet)
2017-02-28T15:32:40 < Thorn> on f7, I've seen it read as 0 in that case 
2017-02-28T15:33:54 < zyp> it's not documented to be defined if the fifo is empty IIRC
2017-02-28T15:34:08 < zyp> so you'll have to check RXFLVL first, or whatever that bit was called
2017-02-28T15:34:29 < zyp> anyway, checking GRXSTSR was a suggestion by my usb guru
2017-02-28T15:34:33 < Thorn> that bit also doesn't seem to be immediately cleared iirc
2017-02-28T15:34:40 < Thorn> (on f4)
2017-02-28T15:35:07 < Thorn> although my interrupt handling code was buggy when I was testing that, so I should retest
2017-02-28T15:37:27 < Thorn> it's also very important to handle OUT EP-specific interrupts before handling RXFLVL because popping stuff out of the FIFO will trigger new OUT interrupts which I believe leads lost interrupts
2017-02-28T15:37:47 < Thorn> *leads to
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2017-02-28T15:58:59 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/02/28/10-raspberry-pi-zero-w-the-w-means-wifi-bluetooth/
2017-02-28T15:59:04 < Laurenceb_> this is actually pretty pro
2017-02-28T16:00:43 < Laurenceb_> http://www.veterinarypracticenews.com/wrench1-500px.jpg
2017-02-28T16:03:29 < Laurenceb_> looks like µFL can be fitted too
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2017-02-28T16:04:03 < englishman> dongs> the old atmel shits are brickable and worthless
2017-02-28T16:04:06 < englishman> lies
2017-02-28T16:04:22 < englishman> but its true they dont support modern chips like f7
2017-02-28T16:04:41 < englishman> yea
2017-02-28T16:04:49 < englishman> that new toy vid, the toy is full of catnip
2017-02-28T16:05:30 < englishman> hm nice to know there are new v9 clonez
2017-02-28T16:05:31 < Steffanx> Xmega wasnt too bad englishman
2017-02-28T16:06:00 < Laurenceb_> BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War.
2017-02-28T16:06:29 < englishman> yea steffs, like stm32 they are unbrickable
2017-02-28T16:06:44 < englishman> they even come with chip erase and "copy rom bootloader to flash" pins
2017-02-28T16:09:10 < karlp> hehe: https://lwn.net/Articles/714128/
2017-02-28T16:09:53 < Steffanx> Lol
2017-02-28T16:09:56 < Steffanx> Nice one
2017-02-28T16:12:18 < englishman> proof, the lunix console is a security risk
2017-02-28T16:14:36 < ReadError> stm32 is too brickable 
2017-02-28T16:14:51 < ReadError> it takes a very specific set of fuses to be set
2017-02-28T16:14:58 < ReadError> but its 100% possible
2017-02-28T16:20:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.thelocal.es/20170227/barcelona-opens-first-sex-doll-brothel-in-europe
2017-02-28T16:20:21 < Laurenceb_> sounds good
2017-02-28T16:21:42 < karlp> doh, missed that over teh weekend.
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2017-02-28T16:29:12 < Laurenceb_> http://www.thelocal.es/20170227/barcelona-opens-first-sex-doll-brothel-in-europe
2017-02-28T16:29:18 < Laurenceb_> oops
2017-02-28T16:29:21 < Laurenceb_> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/
2017-02-28T16:58:04 < Thorn> there is some well known programmer that says that firmware is a security risk (sic)
2017-02-28T16:58:17 < Thorn> "our computers should not contain firmware" and so on
2017-02-28T17:03:00 < corecode> okay, now i need to make sure that my bootloader takes control if the application fails
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2017-02-28T17:28:57 < englishman> karlp: so, pineapple?
2017-02-28T17:29:15 < Tectu> englishman
2017-02-28T17:29:23 < englishman> moin tekkktu
2017-02-28T17:29:28 < Tectu> please do not speak about fruits in here anymore. That's vastly inappropriate.
2017-02-28T17:29:31 < englishman> did you solve your issue
2017-02-28T17:29:32 < englishman> did i halp
2017-02-28T17:29:35 < englishman> or did i hinder
2017-02-28T17:29:43 < Tectu> issue? help? wut?
2017-02-28T17:29:50 < Tectu> what did I miss?
2017-02-28T17:32:34 < Laurenceb_> https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Bodies_of_Water.html?id=nUQATJ5TH1QC&redir_esc=y
2017-02-28T17:46:14 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/gQznyYM.png
2017-02-28T17:46:55 < englishman> musk is gonna kill so many people
2017-02-28T17:49:38 < englishman> omg a new ragepberripi zero
2017-02-28T17:51:47 < englishman> The antenna is actually a ground plane cut-out which acts as a resonant cavity at 2.4GHz. This is then driven using a couple of capacitors…
2017-02-28T17:51:47 < englishman> It turns out that in testing we found that this is actually a better antenna that the chip antenna we have on the Pi 3 (we had to turn down the output power to pass the FCC / CE certification)
2017-02-28T17:51:51 < englishman> neat
2017-02-28T17:52:17 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/zsQcDky.png
2017-02-28T17:53:38 < Laurenceb_> yeah the antenna looks pro
2017-02-28T17:54:36 < Laurenceb_> you can mount a connector too
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2017-02-28T17:54:47 < englishman> yeah i wonder if you have to slice that other trace
2017-02-28T17:55:00 < Laurenceb_> just stick the cap at 45 degrees
2017-02-28T17:55:12 < englishman> or mount that inductor 45deg
2017-02-28T17:55:13 < englishman> yeah
2017-02-28T17:55:14 < englishman> heh
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2017-02-28T17:55:32 < englishman> emeb
2017-02-28T17:55:33 < Laurenceb_> yeah whatever it is
2017-02-28T17:55:35 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/zsQcDky.png
2017-02-28T17:55:43 < emeb> englishman
2017-02-28T17:55:54 < englishman> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/q6tSac4Q/
2017-02-28T17:56:33 < emeb> Antennas are MAGIC
2017-02-28T17:56:48 < englishman> they are certainly interesting creatures
2017-02-28T17:57:01 < emeb> is this Pi Zero W?
2017-02-28T17:57:04 < englishman> yes
2017-02-28T17:57:15 < emeb> Everyone is so excited.
2017-02-28T17:57:37 < emeb> I'm sure you'll be able to buy them in, oh 6mo.
2017-02-28T17:57:41 < englishman> cant wait for this $10 board to go on sale for $54 with a wallwart power adapter and 3d printed case
2017-02-28T17:57:49 < emeb> Yes
2017-02-28T17:57:56 < emeb> bundle all the things
2017-02-28T17:59:00 < karlp> englishman: yes, I love pineapple?
2017-02-28T17:59:06 < englishman> on pizza?
2017-02-28T17:59:11 < englishman> is it worth going to jail?
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2017-02-28T17:59:37 < Laurenceb_> cheese pizza is the only bad sort
2017-02-28T17:59:43 < emeb> An englishman I worked with a few years back called pineapple & canadian bacon pizza "Fruit & Foreskin"
2017-02-28T17:59:51 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
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2017-02-28T18:00:09 < Laurenceb_> pizzagate looking more sane by the day
2017-02-28T18:00:24 < Laurenceb_> http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/why-i-wont-let-any-male-babysit-my-children-20170223-gujn4f.html
2017-02-28T18:00:29 < Laurenceb_> its the only way to be sure
2017-02-28T18:02:40 < emeb> stop looking for sanity in the world.
2017-02-28T18:02:55 < emeb> there may be some, but mostly it's obscured by insanity.
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2017-02-28T18:23:38 < Thorn> [led strips] IP65 has Silicon Coating, IP67 is in a Silicon Tube. which one is better in practice and why
2017-02-28T18:23:58 < zyp> silicone
2017-02-28T18:24:18 < Thorn> yeah (sic) I quoted the listing
2017-02-28T18:24:47 < Kliment> Tubing is more resilient but bulkier and harder to cool
2017-02-28T18:25:04 < karlp> englishman: oh, that story finally made it to you too now :)
2017-02-28T18:25:25 < englishman> it's been headline news for a week
2017-02-28T18:26:30 < karlp> you want new news of the same guy, he was giving out the awards at the film industry thing here, and called it all just leisure distractions. then went red faced and looked for better words and stumbled around a bit
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2017-02-28T19:53:38 < branjb> https://i.redd.it/i1jlj82kykiy.jpg
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2017-02-28T20:17:25 < aandrew> branjb: that is a little disturbing
2017-02-28T20:17:53 < branjb> lol
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2017-02-28T20:37:52  * emeb doesn't click
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2017-02-28T20:40:30 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_: iirc you did flex pcb, what service did you use?
2017-02-28T20:40:51 < BrainDamage> and what's the impression you had on the quality
2017-02-28T20:41:26 < Laurenceb_> I used seeedstudio
2017-02-28T20:41:45 < Laurenceb_> quality was v good, but there were some changes to layout that I didnt ask for
2017-02-28T20:42:48 < BrainDamage> did you have to do some particular changes to the layout before submitting or do you handle it like a regular pcb?
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2017-02-28T20:43:04 < BrainDamage> nobody here knows anything about it and they pretty much dropped it on me :/
2017-02-28T20:43:10 < Laurenceb_> its no different to regular pcb, at least for what I was doing
2017-02-28T20:43:29 < Laurenceb_> I used a service in Germany a few years ago before seeed offered flexi
2017-02-28T20:43:38 < Laurenceb_> but that was about 150 euros
2017-02-28T20:44:16 < BrainDamage> k, thanks
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2017-02-28T20:53:03 < branjb> how flexi is flex pcb?
2017-02-28T20:54:02 < sync_> quite
2017-02-28T20:54:22 < englishman> its basically kapton isnt it
2017-02-28T20:57:10 < Laurenceb_> depends how many times you want to bend it
2017-02-28T20:57:36 < Laurenceb_> PA consulting geniuses managed to make quite a few products with very accurate failures after about 18months
2017-02-28T20:57:39 < englishman> placed allpcb order including $5 10qty pcbs and $22 electropolished framed stencil
2017-02-28T21:10:39 < Kliment> You need to send an assembly drawing if you need stiffeners inserted anywhere (which you probably do if you're doing automated assembly of anything but the smaller passives)
2017-02-28T21:11:45 < Kliment> Pay attention to bend radii in the flexing areas, avoid placing parts close to bends
2017-02-28T21:12:17 < Kliment> use wide traces, try to keep assembly thickness constant, try to keep all traces on one layer in bendy parts
2017-02-28T21:13:37 < Kliment> Traces on outside of bend if possible
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2017-02-28T21:13:51 < Kliment> No vias in bends
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2017-02-28T22:22:49 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKY0NoeHhfS1oxMUU/view?usp=sharing cat
2017-02-28T22:25:09 < Steffanx> Don't bully your cat kakimir
2017-02-28T22:26:37 < kakimir> I feel like I invade their privacy when I take pics of them
2017-02-28T22:28:32 < kakimir> let's work
2017-02-28T22:28:34 < kakimir> with code
2017-02-28T22:32:12 < Steffanx> Dont break eclipsr
2017-02-28T22:36:08 < kakimir> I think romcode sigfaults
2017-02-28T22:39:22 < Steffanx> I think its your brain
2017-02-28T22:53:40 < corecode> if i change SCB_VTOR, and a fault occurs that leads to a reset (say, hard fault handler bad as well), does the system reset to the VTOR reset handler, or does VTOR first get reset
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2017-02-28T23:52:19 < Thorn> a fault in a hard fault handler leads to a CPU lockup, not reset IIRC
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