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2017-03-01T00:54:15 < kakimir> have you ever tried degugging/developing in duo?
2017-03-01T00:55:03 < kakimir> double the pace?
2017-03-01T00:56:51 < kakimir> is there any sense to have kind of.. fault memory?
2017-03-01T00:57:37 < kakimir> when the application faults it would reset but keep some sort of flag uncleared
2017-03-01T00:58:08 < kakimir> or even some pointer or something
2017-03-01T01:02:48 < kakimir> hello crt
2017-03-01T01:03:08 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-01T01:03:15 < kakimir> hor are you?
2017-03-01T01:03:22 < kakimir> *how
2017-03-01T01:03:42 < ReadError> probably doping and stoning on DRUGS
2017-03-01T01:03:50 < kakimir> it would be nice
2017-03-01T01:04:05 < ReadError> hi
2017-03-01T01:04:12 < kakimir> I have pro question for you crt
2017-03-01T01:05:12 < kakimir> can and should I do some sort of memory for faults? I mean chip would reset but leave a block of data about fault untouched
2017-03-01T01:05:39 < kakimir> it is possible?
2017-03-01T01:06:41 < kakimir> nothing gets stored
2017-03-01T01:06:48 < kakimir> overwritten.. how?
2017-03-01T01:07:30 < kakimir> map free block there
2017-03-01T01:07:55 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-01T01:08:13 < kakimir> go to local hot dog store
2017-03-01T01:08:26 < kakimir> cats are nocturnal
2017-03-01T01:09:14 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-01T01:09:37 < kakimir> always wanting what they can't get
2017-03-01T01:10:52 < kakimir> when I do hot reset ram stays untouched but part that boot codez overwrite?
2017-03-01T01:13:17 < kakimir> mine neither
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2017-03-01T01:14:18 < jadew> what about them?
2017-03-01T01:14:40 < jadew> oh right, did you make that curve tracer?
2017-03-01T01:17:12 < jadew> audio or RF?
2017-03-01T01:23:30 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/ECAcXUw.gifv
2017-03-01T01:26:58 < kakimir> expensive oops
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2017-03-01T01:42:38 < kakimir> dude from local club told some stories of "oops" things that happend to club members and planes
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2017-03-01T01:46:02 < kakimir> how you can not get a scrach when a tree rips another wing off and plane spins upside down nose first to ground
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2017-03-01T01:46:13 < stvn> bigger than stephens?
2017-03-01T01:47:32 < kakimir> pilot actually broke some little bones in foot when tow coupling hit his foot table
2017-03-01T01:54:25 < kakimir> I found solution to fault info storage
2017-03-01T01:54:28 < kakimir> __attribute__ ((section (".noinit")))
2017-03-01T02:00:14 < kakimir> uint32_t store_over_hot_reset_test __attribute__ ((section (".noinit")));
2017-03-01T02:05:14 < upgrdman> hmm. esp8266 uart supports up to 4.6MBaud. this might be a cheap way to get telemetry done wirelessly. wish the bluetooth uart's would do 4.6MBaud
2017-03-01T02:05:49 < kakimir> RC ?
2017-03-01T02:06:14 < upgrdman> no just general fuckery
2017-03-01T02:06:34 < kakimir> 433mhz is better for RC
2017-03-01T02:06:36 < upgrdman> not sure how well an esp module would play with hobby tx's anyway
2017-03-01T02:06:39 < upgrdman> ya
2017-03-01T02:07:12 < kakimir> but I plan to get frsky telemetry receiver
2017-03-01T02:07:26 < kakimir> is it just an uart connection?
2017-03-01T02:07:41 < kakimir> at least it has tx and rx pins IIRC
2017-03-01T02:08:01 < upgrdman> well ya but you need to config the esp8266
2017-03-01T02:08:15 < upgrdman> e.g. tell it to be a client or access point, set password, etc.
2017-03-01T02:08:24 < upgrdman> so not just drop in for a uart, but doable
2017-03-01T02:08:49 < upgrdman> i suppose you could use a pair of them to act like a uart.
2017-03-01T02:08:57 < kakimir> I talked about frsky
2017-03-01T02:09:10 < upgrdman> e.g. make one an access point, the other a client, then have the AP one output shit via a uart
2017-03-01T02:09:11 < upgrdman> o
2017-03-01T02:09:35 < upgrdman> what kind of baud rate will the frsky thing do
2017-03-01T02:10:04 < kakimir> well it's used for battery voltage and stuff
2017-03-01T02:10:16 < upgrdman> so like 9600?
2017-03-01T02:10:18 < upgrdman> fukc that
2017-03-01T02:11:28 < englishman> are you still looking for 2mbps over 5km on 0dBm or something
2017-03-01T02:11:44 < kakimir> you need a permit upgrdman 
2017-03-01T02:12:11 < upgrdman> englishman, i dont need long range. i really just want a bluetooth uart that'll do >2Mbps
2017-03-01T02:12:26 < upgrdman> 50 meter range is fine
2017-03-01T02:12:32 < upgrdman> or even 30 meters
2017-03-01T02:12:58 < englishman> esp1488 then
2017-03-01T02:13:14 < upgrdman> ?
2017-03-01T02:13:29 < upgrdman> google shows nothing
2017-03-01T02:13:29 < englishman> or bluedongs yeah
2017-03-01T02:13:35 < englishman> but 50m might be tough
2017-03-01T02:13:42 < englishman> the thing you were just talking about
2017-03-01T02:13:47 < upgrdman> 8266
2017-03-01T02:13:49 < englishman> sure
2017-03-01T02:13:51 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-01T02:14:37 < englishman> 19dBm
2017-03-01T02:14:38 < englishman> should be plenty
2017-03-01T02:14:47 < kakimir> should I just change to use s.port instead of typical servo lead?
2017-03-01T02:14:48 < englishman> for 50m
2017-03-01T02:18:51 < sync_> upgrdman: use compression :D
2017-03-01T02:19:04 < upgrdman> ya could
2017-03-01T02:19:23 < upgrdman> anyway i dont even need this now, but just been something i feel i'll need down the line
2017-03-01T02:20:31 < stvn> sunny
2017-03-01T02:22:04 < Laurenceb> lul bluetooth
2017-03-01T02:22:27 < Laurenceb> I struggled to get 0.2Mbps from bluetooth
2017-03-01T02:23:01 < Laurenceb> about as underperforming as SP1ML
2017-03-01T02:23:24 < Laurenceb> http://i.giphy.com/lQODMfdOGxfI4.gif
2017-03-01T02:28:43 < kakimir> I need long pinstrip to connect 2 duponts together
2017-03-01T02:28:55 < kakimir> long pin pinstrip*
2017-03-01T02:30:31 < Laurenceb> holy shit https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10305139&cid=53948371
2017-03-01T02:30:34 < kakimir> preferrably with centered that plastic frame thing
2017-03-01T02:30:55 < Laurenceb> biggest troll on nasaspaceflight confirmed as a grrl
2017-03-01T02:31:26 < Laurenceb> rule 16 busted
2017-03-01T02:32:32 < Laurenceb> or indeed biggest nutcase on the internets, responsible for emdrive meme
2017-03-01T02:35:53  * kakimir looks around if anyone understands what he is talking about
2017-03-01T02:40:47 < kakimir> is she like nerdy girl or what?
2017-03-01T02:42:16 < Laurenceb> rule 16: probably 40 year old basement dweller
2017-03-01T02:55:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3lnc6NY.png
2017-03-01T02:56:08 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-03-01T03:01:47 < KreAture_> good one dongs 
2017-03-01T03:06:51 < dongs> http://www.takachi-el.co.jp/data/c_custom/photo_plastic/img_plastic01.jpg holy shit some japs stole my idea
2017-03-01T03:07:34 < stvn> they're sniffing
2017-03-01T03:08:02 < stvn> sniffing your innovations
2017-03-01T03:08:36 < dongs> they're claiming 2.1A * 10 per box
2017-03-01T03:10:28 < dongs> 本体定格DC15V 9.6A
2017-03-01T03:10:39 < dongs> 144W
2017-03-01T03:11:01 < dongs> hmm, 5V@21A is 105W
2017-03-01T03:11:03 < dongs> so maybe it is doable
2017-03-01T03:11:47 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-03-01T03:12:54 < KreAture_> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=114_1357536705
2017-03-01T03:13:54 < dongs> fucking retarded japs
2017-03-01T03:14:55 < KreAture_> jup
2017-03-01T03:15:27 < KreAture_> http://9gag.com/gag/6457666/from-a-japanese-game-show
2017-03-01T03:16:14 < KreAture_> My fav is this one
2017-03-01T03:16:16 < KreAture_> http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1060272-japanese-game-show-features-huge-grizzly-bear-torturing-terrifie
2017-03-01T03:17:23 < KreAture_> one with working video
2017-03-01T03:17:24 < KreAture_> http://www.reviewjournal.com/trending/icymi/check-out-the-predator-box-japanese-game-show-video
2017-03-01T03:17:28 < dongs> yawh
2017-03-01T03:17:30 < dongs> yawn
2017-03-01T03:17:35 < dongs> how about some STM32 c hat
2017-03-01T03:17:43 < dongs> japs are crazy fucks, nothing new there bro
2017-03-01T03:18:22 < stvn> what is your new STM32 application?
2017-03-01T03:20:05 < KreAture_> hehe
2017-03-01T03:20:11 < KreAture_> well
2017-03-01T03:20:17 < KreAture_> stm is more fun yes
2017-03-01T03:20:23 < KreAture_> and also it is not so mind boggling
2017-03-01T03:20:44 < KreAture_> btw dongs the frequency dithering stuff works :)
2017-03-01T03:20:53 < KreAture_> but debugging it is not too easy
2017-03-01T03:21:17 < stvn> j-link u-link or st-link ?
2017-03-01T03:21:24 < KreAture_> using timers burst access register is fucked up when you debug as viewing the cpu regs will cause a read to the reg and that increments it!
2017-03-01T03:21:50 < KreAture_> I don't think the method of debug matters, but I was using st-link
2017-03-01T03:22:25 < stvn> senpai says
2017-03-01T03:23:12 < aandrew> stvn: jlink
2017-03-01T03:23:25 < aandrew> that's not even a question
2017-03-01T03:24:57 < stvn> its a $1000 question
2017-03-01T03:26:14 < KreAture_> dongs I was noticing that my dma was skipping first regsiter on my dma burst access
2017-03-01T03:26:48 < KreAture_> dongs turns out the break I had when enabling the dma request was reading the TIM2->DMAR and that incremented it's target
2017-03-01T03:26:59 < KreAture_> so, keep that reg hidden when debugging dma burst access
2017-03-01T03:28:32 < dongs> you mean like peripheral info window was clearing the status regs?
2017-03-01T03:28:41 < dongs> i always wonder if that actually happens in keil for examplke
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2017-03-01T03:28:46 < dongs> when you have the entire peripheral regs showing
2017-03-01T03:29:11 < dongs> i thought reading through the debug port does a shadow read or whatever that doesn't affect it as if the CPU was reading
2017-03-01T03:34:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Burn-board-ATE-board-designs/ haha
2017-03-01T03:35:20 < stvn> fags
2017-03-01T03:40:28 < dongs> i need to get another review on freecancer then i can bid appropriate amounts for shit again
2017-03-01T03:40:34 < dongs> fuckin cunts keep changing the rules
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2017-03-01T03:43:17 < KreAture_> well status regs were not affected by reads
2017-03-01T03:43:41 < KreAture_> but the read of the burst access reg did increment the internal index counter so the actual dma write ended up offset 
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2017-03-01T04:01:33  * KreAture_ submits bug to st
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2017-03-01T04:01:45 < KreAture_> wonder if they will classify it as errata
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2017-03-01T05:17:16 < stvn> sup crt
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2017-03-01T05:57:34 < englishman> stvn https://www.aliexpress.com/item/lolclonez/32779051270.html
2017-03-01T05:57:38 < englishman> not even a question
2017-03-01T05:57:46 < englishman> jadew(?) linked earlier
2017-03-01T05:58:08 < englishman> v9 so you can fuck with modern mcus
2017-03-01T05:58:13 < dongs> ya
2017-03-01T05:58:19 < dongs> not jadew, some other PISS POOR FUCK
2017-03-01T05:58:20 < dongs> i think thorn
2017-03-01T05:58:24 < dongs> who cant afford legit hardware
2017-03-01T05:58:25 < englishman> right
2017-03-01T05:58:35 < englishman> i have like 4 clonelinks
2017-03-01T05:58:44 < englishman> just leave it with the project
2017-03-01T05:59:00 < ReadError> why not the edu ?
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2017-03-01T05:59:20 < englishman> dono never considered it
2017-03-01T05:59:26 < englishman> do i have to fax a PO to jlink or something
2017-03-01T05:59:31 < ReadError> no
2017-03-01T05:59:32 < ReadError> mouser
2017-03-01T05:59:44 < englishman> wouldnt it still be illegal
2017-03-01T05:59:49 < englishman> and therefore morally pointless
2017-03-01T06:00:09 < ReadError> atleast the hardware is prolly a bit better made
2017-03-01T06:00:26 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2017-03-01T06:02:05 < dongs> haha
2017-03-01T06:02:15 < dongs> cloner.pro still up i think
2017-03-01T06:02:44 < englishman> troll.graphics is a fav
2017-03-01T06:02:58 < dongs> haha
2017-03-01T06:04:00 < dongs> does tec2 know
2017-03-01T06:04:09 < englishman> ofc, its his
2017-03-01T06:04:22 < dongs> oh haha
2017-03-01T06:05:11 < ReadError> but u dont have, chatting.pro
2017-03-01T06:05:15 < ReadError> and crack.money
2017-03-01T06:06:33 < ReadError> stoner.tech
2017-03-01T06:06:35 < ReadError> narc.trade
2017-03-01T06:06:40 < englishman> inject.rocks is a good one
2017-03-01T06:06:48 < ReadError> troll.host
2017-03-01T06:11:41 < ReadError> its impossible to injekt rox
2017-03-01T06:13:19 < englishman> with that attitude
2017-03-01T06:19:53 < stvn> englishman, segger n.link
2017-03-01T06:22:30 < stvn> i am hunting the flies
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2017-03-01T06:31:25 < stvn> even if it works, i wouldn't give those gooks my money
2017-03-01T06:33:24 < c4017> anyone know of a battery protection chip like ap9101, but with mosfets on the high side?
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2017-03-01T06:55:54 < dongs> holy shit guise. i am witnessing a real BZBEE LAWNMOWER IN OPERATION
2017-03-01T06:55:57 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHfa1gmTJdw
2017-03-01T06:56:49 < ReadError> ohhhh shiitttt
2017-03-01T06:57:07 < dongs> the future is here RIGHT NOW
2017-03-01T06:58:39 < dongs> ne1 got a dual stacked DB9 connector
2017-03-01T06:58:42 < ReadError> this needs to be downloaded
2017-03-01T06:58:43 < ReadError> asap
2017-03-01T06:59:32 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/norcomp-inc/178-009-613R571/1109MME-ND/858192
2017-03-01T06:59:36 < dongs> yissss
2017-03-01T06:59:51 < dongs> err wat thats not molex
2017-03-01T06:59:53 < dongs> closing page
2017-03-01T06:59:55 < dongs> cant clone
2017-03-01T07:00:01 < dongs> NorComp more like CantBuy
2017-03-01T07:00:05 < englishman> Now, once successfully orders, sharing buying experience, invite new customer, you can gain lottery chance, which 100% win prize!
2017-03-01T07:00:33 < dongs> englishman: have you EVER been?
2017-03-01T07:00:39 < dongs> so far as to?
2017-03-01T07:00:41 < englishman> Made in China, Loved by the world
2017-03-01T07:00:59 < englishman> Any questions, just feel easy to contact your sales representative: Kevin
2017-03-01T07:01:05 < dongs>  Assmann WSW Components
2017-03-01T07:01:06 < dongs> more like 
2017-03-01T07:01:09 < dongs> assman NSFW components
2017-03-01T07:02:36 < dongs> its kinda awesome they have stp models tho
2017-03-01T07:03:24 < englishman> so you are interested in the automatic lawnmower
2017-03-01T07:03:49 < dongs> totally, I'm gonna sell it under the BZBEE brand
2017-03-01T07:04:19 < englishman> of course i know how to use the automatic lawnmower
2017-03-01T07:04:46 < stvn> a trinary computer\
2017-03-01T07:05:08 < ReadError> "yes, ive owned one before"
2017-03-01T07:14:30 < stvn> i think i know the person whos been doin this for years
2017-03-01T07:14:37 < stvn> they call him face also known as dick ears
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2017-03-01T07:40:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/chip-unblock/ haha
2017-03-01T07:41:24 < emeb_mac> sux to be him
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2017-03-01T07:50:08 < dongs> crt, you gotta lay off the random noise there
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2017-03-01T08:24:25 < englishman> isnt jdink edu still old v8
2017-03-01T08:24:40 < dongs> not the new stock
2017-03-01T08:24:42 < englishman> someone was in here blogging about that recently
2017-03-01T08:24:50 < dongs> thats cuz they bought that shit 5 yearsa go
2017-03-01T08:24:57 < englishman> no that was the thing
2017-03-01T08:25:16 < englishman> edu line was old hw
2017-03-01T08:25:44 < ReadError>  its just gimped software iirc
2017-03-01T08:25:49 < ReadError> you can unlock it
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2017-03-01T08:45:58 < dongs> ahaha got a HEIGHT CONSTRAINT in altidumb
2017-03-01T08:46:15 < dongs> i never had anything on the board taller than 20.54mm or someshit that it decided as arbitrary default
2017-03-01T08:47:16 < jadew> maybe based on some common caps heights?
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2017-03-01T09:13:56 < dongs> blogging the fuck out
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2017-03-01T09:36:21 < dongs> and you were failing with altidumb?
2017-03-01T09:36:26 < dongs> and they ended up schooling you?
2017-03-01T09:36:41 < jadew> haha
2017-03-01T09:42:55 < ohsix> sup boners
2017-03-01T09:43:06 < ohsix> anyone without a penis say hello ohsix
2017-03-01T09:44:02 < ohsix> kakimir: duo?
2017-03-01T09:49:07 < ohsix> upgrdman_: got bike light http://www.ebay.com/itm/252734488212?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT came usps in 8 days
2017-03-01T09:49:10 < ohsix> it is lul
2017-03-01T09:49:18 < ohsix> cam
2017-03-01T09:49:30 < ohsix> can't disassemble to change resistors tho
2017-03-01T09:50:00 < ohsix> upgrdman_: also have you ever tried building one of those magnetic levitators
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2017-03-01T09:50:30 < ohsix> was thinking about a control system thing to teach. nobody i've seen do the maglev thing does it as a pid or anything
2017-03-01T10:00:45 < upgrdman_> ohsix, i have not tried. might be fun
2017-03-01T10:00:53 < upgrdman_> what're they using, just P ?
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2017-03-01T10:02:46 < ohsix> just an optical distance thing and a lot of fine tuning for frequency
2017-03-01T10:03:08 < ohsix> i got my ir thingies i ordered
2017-03-01T10:03:32 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262136735577?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT took a long time :<
2017-03-01T10:03:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, so how's that shit. work levitate a permanent magnet by driving a electromagetic to have the same polarity facing the permanent magnet?
2017-03-01T10:04:04 < upgrdman> *shit work? levitate ....
2017-03-01T10:04:06 < ohsix> ir emitters & ir pin diodes or whatever are ebay-expensive
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2017-03-01T10:04:28 < ohsix> upgrdman: modulated electromagnet
2017-03-01T10:04:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya but whats floating. a perm mag?
2017-03-01T10:04:56 < ohsix> the sensor basically keeps it from getting too close, it is closed loop, but it sucks
2017-03-01T10:04:57 < ohsix> ya
2017-03-01T10:05:11 < ohsix> attached to something to give it stability
2017-03-01T10:05:31 < ohsix> sec lemme peep 1
2017-03-01T10:05:33 < upgrdman> wonder if you could make the perm mag rotate precisely.
2017-03-01T10:05:41 < upgrdman> like phase shift or someshit
2017-03-01T10:05:51 < ohsix> probably if you could modulate it carefully
2017-03-01T10:07:12 < ohsix> have another coil off to the side and tilt it a bit, kick it around
2017-03-01T10:07:34 < ohsix> lul it would probably get going fast enough for there to be instability in the rotating thing
2017-03-01T10:08:24 < ohsix> http://www.electro-tech-online.com/imgcache/10866-shem.jpg they're all mostly similar to this
2017-03-01T10:08:28 < ohsix> modulo part count
2017-03-01T10:09:04 < ohsix> the commercial ones are smarter and measure coil current or something between on intervals
2017-03-01T10:09:45 < ohsix> looks like you can do it without a permanent magnet if your shit is massive
2017-03-01T10:09:54 < ohsix> use a bolt or something
2017-03-01T10:10:45 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/cheap/cheap-magnetic-levitation-kit.html china superior. this is the guts in that toy eevblog couldn't get to work
2017-03-01T10:12:47 < ohsix> i've got various solenoid / magnetic junk in wishlist to see what happens when you pwm them
2017-03-01T10:15:31 < ohsix> someone is selling shit with an mcu at least http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/heely69/maglev.jpg
2017-03-01T10:15:47 < ohsix> ... i can 3d print stuff with magnets embedded
2017-03-01T10:16:14 < ohsix> this is now an imperative
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2017-03-01T10:42:44 < dongs> god damn dxf/dwg import in altidumb is fucking awful
2017-03-01T10:42:56 < ohsix> working as intended yo
2017-03-01T10:46:18 < boB_K7IQ> ohsix, bought some of those IR TX-RX on Amazon
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2017-03-01T10:47:37 < Laurenceb> http://www.google.com/patents/WO2017009669A1?cl=en
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2017-03-01T10:56:11 < dongs> .lool
2017-03-01T10:57:39 < dongs> holy shit finally DVI is GONE
2017-03-01T11:04:00 < Thorn> any cheap 8+ channel buffers (3.3V in 5V out) on aliexpress?
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2017-03-01T11:07:02 < zyp> dongs, about time
2017-03-01T11:08:29 < ohsix> heh new keysight 1000x scopes use windows ce
2017-03-01T11:08:58 < ohsix> boB_K7IQ: do anything interesting yet?
2017-03-01T11:09:07 < dongs> Thorn: the usual TXB0208 thing works?
2017-03-01T11:09:14 < dongs> er 0108
2017-03-01T11:09:17 < boB_K7IQ> no.  just ordered them after I saw your link
2017-03-01T11:09:22 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/TXB0108
2017-03-01T11:09:25 < ohsix> it came up after i ordered them, but line follower racing sounds fun
2017-03-01T11:09:34 < ohsix> boB_K7IQ: oh haha, nice
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2017-03-01T11:10:59 < boB_K7IQ> searched for datasheet and noticed they were also on amazon but a bit cheaper
2017-03-01T11:11:31 < Thorn> $1 :/
2017-03-01T11:11:51 < ohsix> https://res.cloudinary.com/sagacity/image/upload/c_crop,h_1540,w_1989,x_840,y_377/c_limit,f_auto,fl_lossy,q_80,w_1080/Ringo-Purple-2808x1872_qgzrck.jpg see how these motors are mounted/used
2017-03-01T11:13:04 < dongs> what the fuck thorn.
2017-03-01T11:13:56 < ohsix> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/415U322ER0L._SY300_.jpg i'm gonna use these, if you cut the blades off you get a free wheel! ;]
2017-03-01T11:14:53 < ohsix> the motor cases are solderable and junk, should be fun to build
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2017-03-01T11:15:26 < ohsix> the caster i'll end up using is an open question
2017-03-01T11:18:39 < ohsix> i wonder who francisco was
2017-03-01T11:19:03 < ohsix> does san francisco  mean without french
2017-03-01T11:24:30 < Kliment> The dude that the pope named himself after
2017-03-01T11:25:05 < Kliment> ohsix: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi
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2017-03-01T11:26:56 < ohsix> really? nice
2017-03-01T11:27:00 < ohsix> no homers club
2017-03-01T11:27:15 < ohsix> sectarian migration lul
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2017-03-01T11:36:23 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/me_irl/status/836669812583485440
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2017-03-01T11:37:53 < zyp> anybody done any benchmarks between F4 and F7?
2017-03-01T11:38:26 < zyp> are the official dmips/coremark numbers realistic?
2017-03-01T11:39:05 < zyp> they're suggesting that F7 is about twice as fast as F4, and H7 is almost four times
2017-03-01T11:39:45 < ohsix> i attempted to measure junk myself but getting the benchmark was dicks
2017-03-01T11:40:13 < ohsix> the f7 has i/d cache right?
2017-03-01T11:40:25 < Thorn> it is superscalar (dual issue)
2017-03-01T11:40:28 < ohsix> and tcm
2017-03-01T11:40:32 < ohsix> ic
2017-03-01T11:40:54 < Thorn> so it all depends on how well you optimize your benchmarks for conflicts
2017-03-01T11:41:00 < ohsix> that could explain the difference ;]
2017-03-01T11:41:01 < Thorn> and cache usage too
2017-03-01T11:41:48 < Thorn> I don't think it has intelligent instruction reordering
2017-03-01T11:41:50 < zyp> but does the cache really help if it's running from XIP flash with the ART?
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2017-03-01T11:45:12 < dongs> pfft, thorn cant afford F7 or H7
2017-03-01T11:45:25 < dongs> he's nickel diming a fucking 8bit level shifter
2017-03-01T11:45:28 < dongs> which his project NEEDS
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2017-03-01T11:45:42 < zyp> haha
2017-03-01T11:47:29 < dongs> man what the hell i ahvent had orders for this one jap board for a while and suddenly everyone wants it
2017-03-01T11:47:37 < dongs> time to fire up dicknplace tomrorow and get some made
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2017-03-01T12:10:53 < karlp> Kliment: why traces on outside of bend? all the rest made sense to me.
2017-03-01T12:12:26 < Kliment> karlp: On the inside they have to bend to a tighter radius
2017-03-01T12:12:42 < Kliment> karlp: So they will fail earlier
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2017-03-01T12:18:33 < dongs> fucking nice
2017-03-01T12:18:41 < dongs> my UPS on desktop decided im overloading it suddenly
2017-03-01T12:18:50 < dongs> and instaltly powered everything down
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2017-03-01T12:19:52 < zyp> time to invest in a redundant power supply for your desktop computer
2017-03-01T12:20:22 < dongs> wut
2017-03-01T12:20:28 < dongs> how would that help
2017-03-01T12:20:42 < zyp> one supply from ups, one directly from grid
2017-03-01T12:20:53 < zyp> if ups cuts, you've still got grid power
2017-03-01T12:20:59 < dongs> doesnt that defeat the purpose of ups
2017-03-01T12:21:07 < dongs> by trashing the 2nd one thats directly connected?
2017-03-01T12:21:30 < zyp> well, system is supposed to be able to run from either, that's why it's called redundant
2017-03-01T12:21:44 < zyp> so if grid goes out, the ups powered one should keep you running
2017-03-01T12:21:56 < zyp> if ups goes out, the grid powered one keeps you running
2017-03-01T12:22:19 < dongs> but if there's a surge or someshit, it trashes the directly conenctd one
2017-03-01T12:22:19 < zyp> of course, if you're actually overloading the ups, that's not a solution
2017-03-01T12:22:23 < dongs> i suppose still better than a shutdown
2017-03-01T12:22:31 < dongs> no, i wasnt overlaoding anything, its like barely using 30% of it
2017-03-01T12:22:33 < zyp> surge? is that common?
2017-03-01T12:22:36 < dongs> i think something inside actually shitted itself
2017-03-01T12:22:42 < dongs> there was a power glitch and then it did that.
2017-03-01T12:23:01 < zyp> I mainly think about ups as a thing against power outages, surges doesn't seem to be a huge problem here
2017-03-01T12:25:02 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/en/supplier-centers/s/seeed ????????????????
2017-03-01T12:25:04 < dongs> the fuck
2017-03-01T12:25:14 < dongs> why are chinacloners on digikey
2017-03-01T12:25:54 < zyp> haha
2017-03-01T12:26:18 < zyp> aren't seeed fairly legit nowadays?
2017-03-01T12:26:23 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/seeed-technology-co-ltd/313080006/1597-1243-ND/5488036 i was looking for isolated dc/dc module thing and saw this
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2017-03-01T12:26:54 < karlp> Kliment: must be a tight bend for the thickness of the material to be that much of a difference in radius, butok, I thought there must be something more :)
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2017-03-01T12:28:10 < zyp> hmm
2017-03-01T12:28:21 < zyp> http://www.fsplifestyle.com/PROP167001465/ this looks cute, shame it's not modular
2017-03-01T12:28:26 < zyp> apparently also fucking expensive
2017-03-01T12:28:48 < dongs> cute
2017-03-01T12:29:05 < dongs> DC to DC Module Design
2017-03-01T12:29:05 < dongs> +12V SR circuit, combining both +3.3V and +5V DC-DC modules, offers supreme efficiency, voltage stability and high system compatibility
2017-03-01T12:29:09 < dongs> wat
2017-03-01T12:29:34 < zyp> I guess each input module feeds a common 12V bus and 3.3/5 is derived from that
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2017-03-01T12:30:01 < dongs> i donno tehse days you need like 50A @ 5V
2017-03-01T12:30:15 < dongs> or was it 12V, i forget
2017-03-01T12:30:19 < zyp> 12V
2017-03-01T12:30:22 < dongs> in that case disregard, i suck dicks
2017-03-01T12:30:32 < Kliment> karlp: The recommended ratios for continuous bend are 100x thickness, so it makes little difference there, but for bend-to-install with ratios of 10x-20x it gets significant
2017-03-01T12:30:35 < zyp> modern motherboards and graphics card derive their own voltages from 12V
2017-03-01T12:30:40 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-01T12:30:52 < dongs> and 5V is just what, hdds?
2017-03-01T12:30:55 < Kliment> karlp: Also the bend is a bit smoother in the expansion zone than in the compression zone
2017-03-01T12:31:18 < zyp> dongs, idk, I think motors on those are also 12V
2017-03-01T12:31:48 < Thorn> are there 3 to 8 demuxes that can take 3.3V inputs with Vcc=5V?
2017-03-01T12:31:49 < karlp> Kliment: aight, yeah, I was thinking of continuous bend. thanks for the tips!
2017-03-01T12:31:57 < Kliment> karlp: Copper fractures more easily when crumpled against a surface than when stretched
2017-03-01T12:32:16 < Thorn> or decoders
2017-03-01T12:32:41 < Kliment> karlp: On that note, avoid changing thickness in bend zones
2017-03-01T12:32:51  * karlp has no flex pcb plans, just curious :)
2017-03-01T12:33:17 < Kliment> karlp: This also means you should avoid any traces that don't run along the bend direction
2017-03-01T12:33:56 < Thorn> yes there is http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=MC74VHCT138A
2017-03-01T12:37:40 < dongs> what's everyone's favorite high current panel mount DC connector
2017-03-01T12:37:56 < dongs> something I can clone in china, obviously
2017-03-01T12:38:09 < dongs> like 12V/10A or somesuch
2017-03-01T12:38:24 < Kliment> xt-60
2017-03-01T12:38:34 < dongs> i said panelmount, nigga
2017-03-01T12:38:41 < dongs> thats a hilarious suggestion tho
2017-03-01T12:38:46 < dongs> i almsot forgot about those
2017-03-01T12:38:52 < Kliment> panels are in the mind of the beholder
2017-03-01T12:39:36 < karlp> dongs: those euro shits I asked you for come in alllll the sizes.
2017-03-01T12:39:57 < dongs> which ones
2017-03-01T12:40:07 < dongs> wasnt it some really weird shit
2017-03-01T12:40:14 < zyp> panel mount? shit like xlr?
2017-03-01T12:40:17 < Thorn> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74ahct138.pdf Vih min = 2V bingo
2017-03-01T12:40:19 < dongs> zyp, yea basically
2017-03-01T12:40:31 < karlp> mine was only a bit wierd because I wanted the 3.5mm version cable mounted.
2017-03-01T12:40:37 < karlp> panel/pcb mount is more common
2017-03-01T12:40:57 < karlp> phoenix/molex make them in 7 and 12mm even
2017-03-01T12:41:00 < dongs> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=imperium_high_voltagehigh_current_hvhc_connector_system&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction&parentKey=power_connectors zyp neesd this
2017-03-01T12:41:36 < zyp> haha
2017-03-01T12:42:56 < zyp> no, I'd rather like a cheap source of this shit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_62196#VDE-AR-E_2623-2-2
2017-03-01T12:43:17 < zyp> oh, it got its own article now
2017-03-01T12:43:18 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_connector
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2017-03-01T12:44:37 < Kliment> dongs: I was not kidding https://hobbyking.com/en_us/xt60-panel-mounting-kit.html/?___store=en_us
2017-03-01T12:44:39 < zyp> I got some chinese Dostar shit on my current home charger, but it's pretty awful
2017-03-01T12:45:00 < dongs> Kliment: impressive.
2017-03-01T12:45:26 < zyp> it seems like their mechanical dimensions are on the thick side of the spec, because it's got a lot more friction than the plugs on the cables that came with the car
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2017-03-01T12:45:50 < zyp> and the car gets grumpy and refuses to charge if I don't plug it all the way in
2017-03-01T12:46:24 < dongs> Kliment: where the shit are dimensions/datasheet for that crap
2017-03-01T12:46:37 < dongs> but yea something like that would be great
2017-03-01T12:47:38 < dongs> Negative (−, −) and positive (+, +): mid-current DC
2017-03-01T12:47:39 < dongs> kawaii
2017-03-01T12:47:56 < Kliment> dongs: There's no dimensional drawing or datasheet for the connectors themselves even
2017-03-01T12:48:52 < dongs> no surprise there
2017-03-01T12:48:55 < dongs> at least i know what they look like
2017-03-01T12:48:57 < Kliment> dongs: On the other hand, they're excellent for PCB mount
2017-03-01T12:49:03 < dongs> na i think i better find something chinese
2017-03-01T12:49:16 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/03/01/0416232/congressional-candidate-brianna-wu-claims-moon-colonizing-companies-could-destroy-cities-by-dropping-rocks
2017-03-01T12:49:18 < Laurenceb_> lelling
2017-03-01T12:49:23 < zyp> how much current is xlr rated for anyway?
2017-03-01T12:50:07 < dongs> well, if you belive chinese quad bikes... a lot
2017-03-01T12:50:13 < dongs> their chargers come with XLR
2017-03-01T12:50:22 < zyp> "The connectors carry from 2 to 10 amps at 24 volts." according to wikipedia
2017-03-01T12:50:32 < dongs> xlr does?
2017-03-01T12:50:35 < zyp> yeah
2017-03-01T12:50:38 < dongs> hmmm
2017-03-01T12:50:43 < stvn> sup tho
2017-03-01T12:50:45 < zyp> and yeah, I've seen ebike chargers with xlr too
2017-03-01T12:50:46 < Kliment> 2A per pin at least
2017-03-01T12:51:00 < Kliment> Probably more on the better ones
2017-03-01T12:52:02 < dongs> and i bet china would have those all over the place
2017-03-01T12:52:02 < dongs> hmm
2017-03-01T12:52:24 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerCon <- how about this shit?
2017-03-01T12:52:38 < dongs> thats too much
2017-03-01T12:52:41 < dongs> also isnt that speaker shit
2017-03-01T12:52:50 < zyp> related to speaker shit
2017-03-01T12:53:01 < zyp> but in that sense, xlr is microphone shit :p
2017-03-01T12:53:25 < Kliment> Neutrik says 1A per pin for crimp connectors, 5A per pin for solder connectors
2017-03-01T12:53:59 < Kliment> And they have a special power+data connector with 16A per pin
2017-03-01T12:54:34 < Thorn> looks like I can drive (15/3) * 8 = 40 ws2812b chains with one gpio port using 3 to8  decoders + free 5V shift
2017-03-01T12:55:00 < Kliment> Thorn: You can but be aware of the switching time
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2017-03-01T12:55:20 < zyp> hope you don't need to update them often
2017-03-01T12:55:44 < Thorn> 10ns should be good enough
2017-03-01T12:56:12 < Thorn> for a ~300ns pulse
2017-03-01T12:57:21 < Thorn> I guess I can get away with precomputing all the patterns in my case
2017-03-01T12:57:39 < Thorn> all the animations are basically transitions between two steady states
2017-03-01T12:59:43 < zyp> you can just dma from flash then
2017-03-01T13:00:13 < zyp> or if it'll be too large, dma from qspi :p
2017-03-01T13:00:53 < Thorn> next level: connect qspi to the decoders through a cpld
2017-03-01T13:01:31 < karlp> or switch to the APA102 or whatsit leds that are just spi...
2017-03-01T13:02:01 < Thorn> where is the EE fun in that
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2017-03-01T13:06:22 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/phoenix-contact/0707248/277-5956-ND/348291
2017-03-01T13:06:30 < dongs> how about tarsh like this
2017-03-01T13:07:27 < dongs> is this shit lockable?
2017-03-01T13:07:33 < dongs> or is it just gonna pull out
2017-03-01T13:08:46 < sync_> that shit can pull out, but it is pretty solid
2017-03-01T13:09:29 < sync_> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/phoenix-contact/5030172/277-6411-ND/349978
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2017-03-01T13:09:34 < sync_> you can put that in to lock it
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2017-03-01T13:10:14 < dongs> mm
2017-03-01T13:10:20 < Ecco> GPIO as output sinking current, is it bad?
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2017-03-01T13:10:43 < Ecco> e.g. GPIO output high (3.3V), but the pin is pulled-up to 5V with a 10k resistor
2017-03-01T13:10:57 < dongs> isnt that called opendrain
2017-03-01T13:11:04 < Ecco> That's a 0.17 mA current that will flow *in* the GPIO (which is configured as an output)
2017-03-01T13:11:15 < dongs> o nvm
2017-03-01T13:11:21 < dongs> i dont think you should do that.
2017-03-01T13:12:06 < stvn> tight little boner
2017-03-01T13:12:08 < Ecco> I'd like to control power going in an USB cable
2017-03-01T13:12:14 < dongs> a waht
2017-03-01T13:12:18 < Ecco> I thought I'd use a P-MOSFET
2017-03-01T13:12:27 < dongs> you know, tehre are ICs made for this purpose
2017-03-01T13:12:34 < dongs> that handle turning usb vcc on/off AND current limit
2017-03-01T13:12:35 < ohsix> like p channel mosfets
2017-03-01T13:13:09 < Ecco> Well, I guess an IC would do a better job, but wouldn't a P-MOSFET work?
2017-03-01T13:13:22 < dongs> sync, wat about something like http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/phoenix-contact/1899281/277-6683-ND/2525267 (dont care about gasket), that one doesnt lock at all right?
2017-03-01T13:13:25 < dongs> that type of plug
2017-03-01T13:13:42 < dongs> wait why is there screws
2017-03-01T13:13:48 < dongs> thats probly for locking plug?
2017-03-01T13:13:50 < sync_> because there are mating shits with screws
2017-03-01T13:13:53 < dongs> cool
2017-03-01T13:14:00 < sync_> how badly do you want it not to pull out?
2017-03-01T13:14:07 < dongs> screws will do
2017-03-01T13:14:08 < sync_> because the regular ones will not come out on their own
2017-03-01T13:14:17 < dongs> vibration/noise
2017-03-01T13:14:20 < dongs> 24/7
2017-03-01T13:14:21 < Ecco> So using a p mosfet I thought it'd be good practice to not leave the gate floating
2017-03-01T13:14:23 < dongs> so, better not
2017-03-01T13:14:28 < sync_> well, they will be fine without
2017-03-01T13:14:38 < sync_> screws will probably be less desirable
2017-03-01T13:14:42 < sync_> at least without threadlocker
2017-03-01T13:15:01 < sync_> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/phoenix-contact/1777989/277-5710-ND/349029
2017-03-01T13:15:04 < sync_> shit is expensive
2017-03-01T13:15:11 < dongs> im sure china has clonez
2017-03-01T13:15:34 < sync_> yeah they do, but some fit like shit
2017-03-01T13:15:46 < dongs> thats cuz you get 5mm pitch instead of 5.08mm
2017-03-01T13:16:03 < ohsix> you can't leave it floating Ecco 
2017-03-01T13:16:04  * dongs points over at karlp 
2017-03-01T13:16:54 < stvn> aussies
2017-03-01T13:16:59 < sync_> negative dongs
2017-03-01T13:17:05 < Ecco> Here's what I want to do : I'm plugging an USB device into a Raspberry Pi. I'd like to cut/restore the USB power to the device programatically.
2017-03-01T13:17:06 < ohsix> actually made and assembled a bunch of junk that used a p channel mosfet to turn off usb
2017-03-01T13:17:08 < stvn> march 1, 2017: still pumping.
2017-03-01T13:17:09 < dongs> just shitty china enginerering in general?
2017-03-01T13:17:10 < sync_> the holes were too smal on the ones we got
2017-03-01T13:17:13 < sync_> l
2017-03-01T13:17:14 < ohsix> to hax fix someones shitty usb problem
2017-03-01T13:17:32 < Ecco> (so I can force a power cycle of the device)
2017-03-01T13:17:55 < dongs> Ecco: http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/power-management/fixed-current-limited-switch-products.page
2017-03-01T13:17:58 < Ecco> Turns out the RPi supports doing it but for all ports at once
2017-03-01T13:18:06 < ohsix> can the r00t hub of the usb device on the pi turn the hub off or send resets
2017-03-01T13:18:17 < Ecco> Yes it can
2017-03-01T13:18:32 < Ecco> but you shut down *all* USB ports together (their VBus is connected)
2017-03-01T13:18:45 < Ecco> dongs: I quite don't understand why I need a whole IC for this
2017-03-01T13:18:47 < dongs> more excellent british engineering
2017-03-01T13:18:52 < Ecco> :-D
2017-03-01T13:18:53 < dongs> Ecco: beacuse it works and does what you fucking want
2017-03-01T13:18:54 < Ecco> Indeed :-)
2017-03-01T13:19:01 < dongs> without niggering shit around
2017-03-01T13:19:11 < Ecco> Sure, but I'd have to order and wait
2017-03-01T13:19:12 < karlp> dongs: yeah, those are the sorts of connectors I was talking about.
2017-03-01T13:19:23 < dongs> to do with pmos you need at least a npn/nmos on its gate to drive it above 3.3V to turn it on fully
2017-03-01T13:19:25 < Ecco> also, for the sake of curiosity, I don't understand why a P-FET wouldn't work
2017-03-01T13:19:36 < dongs> it would, but you need extra shit at which point you might as well use an IC
2017-03-01T13:19:40 < Ecco> ok
2017-03-01T13:19:51 < Ecco> I have an AO3401 lying around
2017-03-01T13:20:09 < Ecco> Apparently it can be turned on at 2.5V
2017-03-01T13:20:09 < karlp> ohsix: hub resets to the port are pretty different from power cycling, but yeah, might be all ecco actually needs.
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2017-03-01T13:20:28 < Ecco> (it says RDS=85mOhm at VGS = 2.5V)
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2017-03-01T13:20:47 < Ecco> I really need to power down, wait a while (up to a minute) and turn back on
2017-03-01T13:20:54 < Ecco> so a reset won't do I guess
2017-03-01T13:21:05 < Ecco> The device isn't even always enumerated
2017-03-01T13:21:15 < dongs> sounds like you have a garbage usb device
2017-03-01T13:21:34 < Ecco> Yeah definitely
2017-03-01T13:22:16 < ohsix> my anus is bleeding
2017-03-01T13:22:23 < ohsix> karlp: yaword
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2017-03-01T13:26:39 < ohsix> http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajme/1/7/47/image/fig3.png does having a reaction wheel mean this is a two wheeled vehicle
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2017-03-01T13:31:41 < stvn> fukushima
2017-03-01T13:33:05 < dongs> crt, what did i say
2017-03-01T13:33:19 < stvn> no idea
2017-03-01T13:33:39 < dongs> please control your leelooman urges
2017-03-01T13:33:44 < stvn> i had to ask
2017-03-01T13:33:57 < stvn> did that make the price of electricity go up in japan? shutting down all those pots?
2017-03-01T13:34:20 < dongs> no, it was already retarded to begin with
2017-03-01T13:34:28 < stvn> ah k
2017-03-01T13:36:53 < stvn> why do my customers think i should do 24hr turnaround
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2017-03-01T13:38:17 < dongs> why shouldnt you
2017-03-01T13:38:34 < dongs> looks like you got plenty of time to autism around on irc
2017-03-01T13:38:36 < dongs> so they're not keeping you busy
2017-03-01T13:38:37 < stvn> IRC
2017-03-01T13:40:05 < stvn> yeah guess i only had 5 repairs in today
2017-03-01T13:41:47 < stvn> i eliminated the autistic triple handling and paperwork
2017-03-01T13:48:28 < stvn> Techno Polymer Co, Ltd.
2017-03-01T13:52:35 < stvn> monster cables make me money too, the RCA jacks just snap off the PCB because of the pressure you have to use to plug them in
2017-03-01T13:54:14 < dongs> whcih genre of music DJs are the worst
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2017-03-01T13:57:04 < stvn> the lot
2017-03-01T13:58:18 < dongs> < Ecco> Yeah definitely
2017-03-01T13:58:20 < dongs> er
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2017-03-01T13:59:18 < stvn> i just fix their stuff
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2017-03-01T14:05:44 < dongs> chinks are getting cheap as shit
2017-03-01T14:05:49 < dongs> tehy're sending me ipad lcds double bagged
2017-03-01T14:05:54 < dongs> not even individually fucking wrapped
2017-03-01T14:05:55 < dongs> cunts
2017-03-01T14:10:05 < karlp> stupid obscure parts. amtek.com vs amtek-co.com.tw
2017-03-01T14:16:38 < dongs> which site looks more 1998, thats the legit one
2017-03-01T14:18:49 < Laurenceb_> <dongs> whcih genre of music DJs are the worst
2017-03-01T14:18:53 < Laurenceb_> rap obviously
2017-03-01T14:19:56  * Laurenceb_ has a patent http://www.google.com/patents/WO2017009669A1?cl=en
2017-03-01T14:20:48 < dongs> scrolled down; didnt see dickbutt. closed.
2017-03-01T14:20:53 < sync_> wow
2017-03-01T14:20:55 < sync_> on CRT
2017-03-01T14:20:57 < sync_> nice
2017-03-01T14:21:03 < stvn> :D
2017-03-01T14:21:09 < stvn> wheres philip moriarty
2017-03-01T14:21:09 < Laurenceb_> yeah but CRT is still nonsense imo :P
2017-03-01T14:32:38 < stvn> well what can I say
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2017-03-01T14:36:02 < stvn> Replace main FFC (Your old tech munted it). Replace RJ45 magjack (DJ tried to insert upside down). Resolder RCA jacks (Monster cable).
2017-03-01T14:36:21 < stvn> 1/5 jobs usually start like that
2017-03-01T14:36:48 < Laurenceb_> Monster cable
2017-03-01T14:38:39 < stvn> have you ever tried to use one? you have to use so much force it feels like you're snapping the connector off the board
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2017-03-01T14:41:42 < BrainDamage> they don't give a shit about mechanical tollerances?
2017-03-01T14:44:54 < stvn> they're too busy trying to scare other businesses away with legal threats
2017-03-01T14:45:25 < stvn> for example, http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/
2017-03-01T14:46:00 < dongs> thosea re some phallic looking connectors
2017-03-01T14:48:33 < stvn> probably
2017-03-01T14:48:53 < zyp> TI are weird
2017-03-01T14:49:01 < zyp> they call their SPI signals SOMI and SIMO
2017-03-01T14:49:02 < stvn> texas is weird.
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2017-03-01T15:13:21 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executor_%28rocket_engine%29
2017-03-01T15:13:24 < Laurenceb_> lul what a name
2017-03-01T15:13:56 < dongs> exedcutor used to be a mac emulator
2017-03-01T15:14:14 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executor_(software)
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2017-03-01T15:30:01 < Ecco> dongs: Ok, I understood why a P-FET won't do
2017-03-01T15:30:16 < Ecco> the problem is that Vg is 5V, while the GPIO will be 3.3
2017-03-01T15:30:30 < Ecco> so I will have a hard time actually driving the FET
2017-03-01T15:36:57 < Ecco> Since I just need one of those, I think I'll buy an evaluation board rather than going through the trouble of doing my own PCB
2017-03-01T15:37:09 < Ecco> Not all of those are in stock at my nearest reseller though
2017-03-01T15:37:24 < Ecco> Would TPS22966 seem like a good candidate ?
2017-03-01T15:38:12 < Ecco> Namely TPS22966EVM-007
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2017-03-01T15:44:22 < Ecco> TPS22930AEVM seems nice too. "Only" 2A, but very small PCB
2017-03-01T15:48:58 < dongs> lol
2017-03-01T15:49:00 < dongs> i guess.
2017-03-01T15:49:08 < dongs> or you can negro a nmos/npn in front of your pfet
2017-03-01T15:49:13 < dongs> to solve the 3v gate problem
2017-03-01T15:49:52 < karlp> dongs: cables are all here and working nicely thanks :)
2017-03-01T15:50:09 < karlp> you can see where they ran out of cable and switched vendors
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2017-03-01T15:50:24 < dongs> ya?
2017-03-01T15:50:29 < dongs> also tehy were short by 3 4pin shits
2017-03-01T15:50:36 < karlp> heh
2017-03-01T15:50:45 < dongs> otherwise, shuld be all ok ya?
2017-03-01T15:50:51 < karlp> cables are "same" enough, just different font a little bit.
2017-03-01T15:50:54 < karlp> yeah, all looks good.
2017-03-01T15:51:08 < dongs> right on
2017-03-01T15:51:12 < dongs> i'll be making some similar shit soon
2017-03-01T15:52:40 < zyp> "these cables are not acceptable, the fonts are not uniform"
2017-03-01T15:52:45 < dongs> yes
2017-03-01T15:53:04 < dongs> for uniform fonts, you pay $20/cable
2017-03-01T15:53:09 < dongs> karlp: did customs give you any shits about them?
2017-03-01T15:53:21 < dongs> it was like 9000kg of cables
2017-03-01T15:54:10 < karlp> nah, held it until we gave them the "real" invoice
2017-03-01T15:54:17 < karlp> but nothing more.
2017-03-01T15:54:30 < karlp> I think it was labelled as "$200" or something.
2017-03-01T15:55:27 < dongs> psh, that WAS the real invoice!
2017-03-01T15:55:34 < dongs> chinagirl scam thwarted
2017-03-01T16:06:51 < karlp> yeah, well, customs here are cunts like that, but htat's nothing new, and was expected, so no problem there.
2017-03-01T16:07:23 < zyp> haha, sounds like my story with DHL and that chinese reflow shit
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2017-03-01T16:09:45 < zyp> customs office intercepted it and called me up like "what's the value of this thing?"
2017-03-01T16:10:06 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: irc troll, patent troll... Whats next?
2017-03-01T16:10:10 < dongs> 9000 shekels
2017-03-01T16:10:47 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-03-01T16:10:56 < Laurenceb_> I have 25% share of the shekels
2017-03-01T16:11:11 < BrainDamage> bridge troll
2017-03-01T16:11:13 < zyp> trying to submit documentation through DHL sounded like so much shit that I opted to just go to the customs office myself with the proper invoice and pay VAT
2017-03-01T16:11:27 < Laurenceb_> not that there ever will be any
2017-03-01T16:11:30 < zyp> and once I had the receipt I just went to DHL facility and picked up my box
2017-03-01T16:11:33 < Laurenceb_> as the whole idea is shit
2017-03-01T16:11:47 < karlp> that's never stopped anyone making money before.
2017-03-01T16:12:02 < zyp> and a few weeks later I got an invoice from DHL for VAT (on the declared value) and handling fee
2017-03-01T16:12:30 < dongs> so thecunts charged you twice?
2017-03-01T16:13:03 < zyp> well, they tried to, I told them to fuck off
2017-03-01T16:13:35 < Steffanx> And then the handling fee is more than the VAT..
2017-03-01T16:13:35 < zyp> "uh, that's not procedure, please follow procedure next time"
2017-03-01T16:13:47 < zyp> or some shit
2017-03-01T16:13:55 < dongs> yes, like when fedex tries to charge me $5 'processing fee'
2017-03-01T16:14:01 < dongs> on < $5 of tax
2017-03-01T16:14:13 < dongs> at least they started accepting credit cards now
2017-03-01T16:14:20 < dongs> .. automatically
2017-03-01T16:14:28 < dongs> before they'd send fucking envelopes to pay at convenience store
2017-03-01T16:14:52 < zyp> tax/vat under like $30 is exempt here
2017-03-01T16:15:12 < zyp> but on the other hand, handling fee is easily $30 depending on company and shit
2017-03-01T16:16:44 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-39106200
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2017-03-01T16:17:31 < Laurenceb_> http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/114786489
2017-03-01T16:17:40 < Laurenceb_> my family buys the licenses in bulk - bicycle license, gardening license etc for a discount from the council
2017-03-01T16:19:58 < Laurenceb_> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1488375801470.jpg
2017-03-01T16:20:10 < Laurenceb_> I'm in jail dude
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2017-03-01T16:24:37 < Steffanx> Someone forgot about the no 8/2chan policy
2017-03-01T16:24:52 < dongs> laugh
2017-03-01T16:26:06 < Kliment> half-byte chan
2017-03-01T16:27:28 < Steffanx> Dont we call that a nibble?
2017-03-01T16:28:08 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/programming/pcb-for-raspberry/ found Ecco's project
2017-03-01T16:33:46 < jadew> why the hell are IC manufacturers pricing evaluation boards so high? it makes no sense
2017-03-01T16:34:01 < jadew> 450 for a stinking board with a $30 IC?
2017-03-01T16:34:32 < dongs> are you scrolled up or something
2017-03-01T16:34:40 < dongs> we talked about that a week ago
2017-03-01T16:35:36 < jadew> no, I need another fucking eval board
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2017-03-01T16:43:48 < dongs> what you need is MORE WEED
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2017-03-01T16:51:11 < englishman> Steffanx: you mean nybble
2017-03-01T16:51:54 < englishman> time to renew letsencrypt certs
2017-03-01T16:52:49 < Steffanx> Normal people write nibble, englishmab
2017-03-01T16:52:52 < Steffanx> N
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2017-03-01T16:54:36 < englishman> this is incongruent with byte
2017-03-01T16:54:48 < englishman> and affents my autism
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2017-03-01T17:03:29 < jadew`> fucking stupid google account switching shit
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2017-03-01T17:03:54 < jadew`> I can't access the cloud console because it keeps switching me back to some random account
2017-03-01T17:04:16 < jadew`> they've had this problem for years
2017-03-01T17:05:35 < dongs> cloud console, lol
2017-03-01T17:05:40 < dongs> get your fucking head out of hte clouds
2017-03-01T17:05:50 < dongs> holy fuck i just got a work email from a jap
2017-03-01T17:05:53 < dongs> its MIDNIGHT
2017-03-01T17:06:16 < jadew`> must be important
2017-03-01T17:06:28 < dongs> not at all, hes talking about invoice i said I'll send tomrorow
2017-03-01T17:06:33 < dongs> but he replied at 12:01
2017-03-01T17:06:36 < dongs> so technically its tomorow
2017-03-01T17:07:00 < dongs> http://www.sscc.co.jp/english/index.html
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2017-03-01T17:10:28 < dongs> awesome
2017-03-01T17:10:29 < dongs> went to pay bills
2017-03-01T17:10:35 < dongs> online banking tells me its closed
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2017-03-01T17:16:08 < sync_> rip
2017-03-01T17:16:21 < dongs> japan is awesome
2017-03-01T17:19:06 < dongs> sync, does this work? https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/BreakoutBoards/Optoisolator-v12.pdf
2017-03-01T17:19:09 < dongs> with like RC PWM
2017-03-01T17:19:30 < dongs> like 500hz duty or someshit
2017-03-01T17:20:04 < sync_> probably
2017-03-01T17:20:09 < sync_> yeah why not
2017-03-01T17:20:59 < sync_> maybe some base series resistor but pff
2017-03-01T17:21:44 < dongs> its version 1.2, so it must have solved all the problems of 1.0 and 1.1
2017-03-01T17:21:57 < dongs> i think im actually using that ILD213T in production on another board
2017-03-01T17:22:14 < dongs> oh. ILD207T
2017-03-01T17:22:25 < dongs> probly no difference
2017-03-01T17:22:39 < dongs> looks like the're all in same datasheet
2017-03-01T17:23:19 < dongs> wtf is UL/cUL
2017-03-01T17:23:59 < dongs> oh CTR, i dont know hwo to read tables
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2017-03-01T17:29:07 < karlp> hrm, this old design has no decoupling caps on the isolator.  I guess that falls under "remove for great justice" then
2017-03-01T17:29:22 < dongs> waht do you decouple on it?
2017-03-01T17:29:28 < dongs> you talkin about the opto thing?
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2017-03-01T17:30:44 < branjb> nice
2017-03-01T17:30:46 < branjb> digikey day today
2017-03-01T17:30:57 < dongs> its not friday
2017-03-01T17:31:04 < dongs> friday is digikey day
2017-03-01T17:31:07 < branjb> i had stuff on backorder
2017-03-01T17:31:15 < dongs> what did you backorder, GD32s?
2017-03-01T17:31:37 < branjb> no lol some shitty ass 6 pin rainbow SPI cable
2017-03-01T17:31:48 < dongs> thats waht you buy from seeeeeeeeeeed.com usually.
2017-03-01T17:32:05 < branjb> i tacked it onto my order because it was like $1 and it delayed it by a week
2017-03-01T17:32:31 < branjb> i got one of those nucleo f4 boards with ethernet phy on them
2017-03-01T17:32:34 < branjb> i think they're new
2017-03-01T17:32:40 < dongs> not too new.
2017-03-01T17:32:49 < branjb> last time i looked there was no f4 nucleo with ethernet
2017-03-01T17:32:49 < dongs> i had one in my drawer of boards I'l never use for at least ayear
2017-03-01T17:32:53 < dongs> nucleo 429ZI
2017-03-01T17:32:56 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-01T17:32:58 < branjb> that's the one
2017-03-01T17:33:12 < dongs> i've had it for longer than i can remember, so i'm rpetty sure its not new
2017-03-01T17:33:17 < branjb> hmm
2017-03-01T17:33:27 < branjb> prob just search fail for me then
2017-03-01T17:33:29 < dongs> 429 isw pretty old too
2017-03-01T17:33:32 < dongs> i think 3+ years at leastR?
2017-03-01T17:33:37 < dongs> back wehn SDRAM was like 'omg wow"
2017-03-01T17:34:04 < dongs> does yours come with those large 2.54mm headers mounted
2017-03-01T17:34:11 < dongs> or jsut the faggotduino headers
2017-03-01T17:34:13 < branjb> read the application note for lwip using raw API.. it seems pretty straight forward and simple
2017-03-01T17:34:15 < branjb> any gotchas?
2017-03-01T17:34:27 < dongs> nope, should just work
2017-03-01T17:34:30 < branjb> faggotduino
2017-03-01T17:34:47 < branjb> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/NUCLEO-F429ZI/497-16280-ND/5806777
2017-03-01T17:34:58 < karlp> dongs: yeah, one of those rf isolator things.
2017-03-01T17:35:08 < dongs> oh the chinaones
2017-03-01T17:35:16 < dongs> i dont think i can justify using that on this board
2017-03-01T17:35:18 < dongs> opto will do
2017-03-01T17:35:22 < karlp> was just reviewing the pcb to make some changes, and reviewing it's datasheet, noticed we weren't following guidelines.
2017-03-01T17:35:42 < karlp> we're not doing the 100Mbit transfer it apparently supports though either, so decoupling probably not so important ;)
2017-03-01T17:36:35 < dongs> ive only done ethernet on like f107
2017-03-01T17:36:49 < dongs> if I do it on F4 it'll be using the stdperiplib shit not HAL aids
2017-03-01T17:36:53 < dongs> it should still work thjo
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2017-03-01T17:38:45 < sync_> oh, which isolator tells you to use decoupling karlp?
2017-03-01T17:39:18 < dongs> its some ADUM thing.
2017-03-01T17:39:24 < dongs> weird thing from ADI with COILS INSIDE
2017-03-01T17:39:52 < dongs> it has like modulator on transmit side then goes through RF inside chip then demod on the other end
2017-03-01T17:39:55 < dongs> PRO AS FUK
2017-03-01T17:40:28 < sync_> I know how they work, I just never seen them say you need decoupling
2017-03-01T17:40:53 < dongs> how else is all that stuff gonna work in them??
2017-03-01T17:40:53 < sync_> but I only used those silab shits
2017-03-01T17:41:09 < sync_> MAGIC
2017-03-01T17:41:23 < dongs> nope
2017-03-01T17:41:48 < dongs> http://www.analog.com/en/products/interface-isolation/isolation/standard-digital-isolators/adum225n.html#product-overview
2017-03-01T17:41:51 < dongs> see where it says
2017-03-01T17:41:53 < dongs> [ encode ]
2017-03-01T17:41:55 < dongs> and [ decode ]
2017-03-01T17:41:59 < dongs> that probably needs decoupling
2017-03-01T17:42:21 < karlp> nah, adum14xx and newer is too pricy
2017-03-01T17:42:32 < dongs> i just linked to wahtever teh fuck was in the middle of that list
2017-03-01T17:42:35 < dongs> i forgot what parts i got for you
2017-03-01T17:42:41 < karlp> si864xx stuff
2017-03-01T17:42:49 < karlp> you didn't get them fo rme, you got them for zyp
2017-03-01T17:43:01 < dongs> maybe, i dont remember.
2017-03-01T17:43:02 < karlp> you've only got he cables for me (so far) (that I recall)
2017-03-01T17:43:23 < karlp> anyway, si86xx is cheaper than adum stuff, but virtually the same stuff.
2017-03-01T17:43:23 < dongs> i got a bunch of the adum shits for someone, Idont think zyp needed 20+ of them
2017-03-01T17:43:34  * karlp shrugs
2017-03-01T17:43:48 < dongs> page 20 of that shit i linked has decoupling caps
2017-03-01T17:43:51 < dongs> right next to the pins
2017-03-01T17:44:02 < karlp> yeah, it's meant to.  someone here a long time ago decided they were optional and left them off.
2017-03-01T17:44:10 < karlp> and it's been working just fine ever since.
2017-03-01T17:44:38 < karlp> but I'll try and be a good boi and put them back on again.
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2017-03-01T18:14:02 < corecode> hi
2017-03-01T18:15:13 < corecode> should i see PINRSTF when i push reset?
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2017-03-01T21:45:05 < kakimir> use screen+irssi
2017-03-01T21:45:55 < kakimir> what information is possible to get out of fault events generally?
2017-03-01T21:45:56 < BrainDamage> screen is quite obsoleted by tmux
2017-03-01T21:46:03 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-01T21:46:12 < kakimir> but you get the idea
2017-03-01T21:47:32 < kakimir> basically i could copy stack?
2017-03-01T21:47:38 < Thorn> kakimir: http://www.keil.com/appnotes/files/apnt209.pdf
2017-03-01T21:47:53 < kakimir> to see what was going on in the moment
2017-03-01T21:48:40 < kakimir> I coul mirror yhe whole ram
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2017-03-01T21:57:30 < Steffanx> You can also no make your sw break :P
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2017-03-01T21:58:15 < kakimir> not an option
2017-03-01T21:58:31 < kakimir> sofrware always breaks
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2017-03-01T22:11:47 < kakimir> guru said "exception stack frame"
2017-03-01T22:12:12 < Steffanx> Did you even look at what thorn posted?
2017-03-01T22:12:23 < kakimir> I just came to computers
2017-03-01T22:12:40 < kakimir> planned to
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2017-03-01T22:13:33 < Steffanx> People often tell you you are weird kakimir?
2017-03-01T22:13:52 < kakimir> nobody knows me
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2017-03-01T22:32:37 < karlp> BrainDamage: I'm still not sure what I gain from tmux honestly.
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2017-03-01T22:36:31 < karlp> I mean, if you're trying to have a remote tiling wm, sure, but without that use case?
2017-03-01T22:36:49 < BrainDamage> well,for one tmux doesn't have setuid bit, so it can't root your machine
2017-03-01T22:37:11 < kakimir> yeah BrainDamage - no use of tmux
2017-03-01T22:37:37 < BrainDamage> also the statusbar is nice to have
2017-03-01T22:37:56 < BrainDamage> kakimir: shush if you have no argument, jumping on the bandwagon wins you no point
2017-03-01T22:37:58 < kakimir> you can't want something you don't know
2017-03-01T22:38:16 < BrainDamage> also especially after you said "yes"
2017-03-01T22:38:33 < karlp> why would I want to lose screen realestate from something that's mean to be saving me space and time?
2017-03-01T22:39:04 < karlp> suid,sure, sure. "security" but that's literally the fist time I've ever heard that as an advantage to tmux :)
2017-03-01T22:39:10 < BrainDamage> hving a list of windows / workspaces is far from from useless
2017-03-01T22:39:26 < BrainDamage> also, mouse support
2017-03-01T22:39:33 < karlp> mouse support?
2017-03-01T22:39:38 < karlp> oh, for clicking into the other panes?
2017-03-01T22:40:05 < BrainDamage> yes, but not limited to, scrollback history, and you can bind it anywhere
2017-03-01T22:40:11 < karlp> I only have 3-4 shells in screen, one running irssi, one my mailclient, one or two lose shells, so all this paning sutff seems really out of touch.
2017-03-01T22:40:24 < karlp> as best I understand, scrollback in tmux is same as in screen?
2017-03-01T22:40:51 < BrainDamage> can't comment since I'm not super familiar with scrollback in screen
2017-03-01T22:41:08 < karlp> np
2017-03-01T22:41:11 < BrainDamage> as to "security" screen just had a bug that allowed you to root less than a month ago
2017-03-01T22:41:50 < BrainDamage> altought screen's serial terminal feature is quite nice
2017-03-01T22:41:50 < karlp> https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2003-0972/ ?
2017-03-01T22:42:07 < karlp> it's local only though, so... what machines are you screen'ing to that you don't trust?
2017-03-01T22:42:35 < karlp> can't be that, it's 2003, I can't find a newer one than 2009?
2017-03-01T22:44:00 < karlp> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/screen-devel/2017-01/msg00025.html I presume
2017-03-01T22:44:05 < karlp> still local only
2017-03-01T22:44:24 < BrainDamage> yes, all local
2017-03-01T22:44:49 < BrainDamage> hard to be remote without networking features
2017-03-01T22:45:40 < BrainDamage> and yes, that was the bug
2017-03-01T22:47:12 < BrainDamage> I use screen in a shared environment tought with other users and the sysadmin removed it after that >_>
2017-03-01T22:47:52 < karlp> I wonder why that didn't get a cve?
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2017-03-01T23:01:43 < Steffanx> you use a commandline mail client karlp? :D
2017-03-01T23:06:13 < karlp> sortof.
2017-03-01T23:06:30 < karlp> I use mailpile, which has a webfrontend, but I run it remotely, not locally, 
2017-03-01T23:07:54 < kakimir> I use gmail
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2017-03-01T23:33:19 < kakimir> I can't put myself together after working off the computer for the day
2017-03-01T23:33:49 < kakimir> debug server running codez open - just numbness
2017-03-01T23:35:43 < Steffanx> Time to get out and get some more fresh air.
2017-03-01T23:35:49 < Steffanx> or sauna time
2017-03-01T23:37:25 < kakimir> done and done
2017-03-01T23:38:03 < kakimir> and it's getting worse - I'm listening lana del rey
2017-03-01T23:41:48 < kakimir> I'm pissed off or/and just fullfilled by my works so much I'm paralized
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2017-03-02T00:03:39 < kakimir> unaligned memory access
2017-03-02T00:03:57 < kakimir> what was the issue with it?
2017-03-02T00:04:20 < kakimir> m0 doesn't support it at all but m3?
2017-03-02T00:04:53 < kakimir> why it's "usage fault"
2017-03-02T00:06:28 < kakimir> and you can select if it's a problem or something to pass
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2017-03-02T00:11:29 < kakimir> is there anything in eclipse to automagically make comments look neat?
2017-03-02T00:11:39 < kakimir> when it's a mess
2017-03-02T00:18:55 < kakimir> Something you could push whole areas comments in one line at once
2017-03-02T00:19:51 < kakimir> pick area and then just drag comments
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2017-03-02T00:42:40 < kakimir> if I want this type with all elements RW there is no other way than make another definition without limits? https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaXlKWU91eWRGeGc/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-02T00:43:30 < kakimir> I plan to copy the whole chunk because important informations!
2017-03-02T00:43:48 < englishman> kaks depends on your text editor
2017-03-02T00:43:58 < englishman> multi line editing is a nifty feature once you learn how to use it
2017-03-02T00:44:23 < englishman> that is just a typedef
2017-03-02T00:44:23 < kakimir> did I said eclipse?
2017-03-02T00:44:28 < englishman> yes
2017-03-02T00:44:32 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-02T00:44:55 < kakimir> but here are those __IO and __Ï
2017-03-02T00:45:01 < kakimir> those mean something
2017-03-02T00:45:22 < kakimir> volatile and volatile const!
2017-03-02T00:45:39 < englishman> o rly
2017-03-02T00:46:04 < kakimir> I just copypaste this and make my own?
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2017-03-02T00:46:36 < kakimir> there is no way to override type elements to be just volatile?
2017-03-02T00:46:56 < englishman> replace the __I with __IO?
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2017-03-02T00:47:39 < kakimir> it's core_cm3.h - to be concidered inert code
2017-03-02T00:47:45 < englishman> just making those variables not-const wont make those registers writeable
2017-03-02T00:47:58 < kakimir> it's just a typedef
2017-03-02T00:48:06 < kakimir> not register
2017-03-02T00:48:41 < kakimir> as _you_ said
2017-03-02T00:49:08 < englishman> yes.
2017-03-02T00:49:14 < kakimir> for some reason I plan to make a variable of it
2017-03-02T00:49:18 < englishman> you are correct
2017-03-02T00:49:25 < kakimir> which I want totally RW
2017-03-02T00:50:08 < kakimir> well those registers wont just change their place
2017-03-02T00:50:18 < kakimir> I just copy the typedef
2017-03-02T00:50:47 < englishman> copy, you must
2017-03-02T00:51:15 < kakimir> copy, I will
2017-03-02T00:56:52 < kakimir> what else I want to be in my over reset fault information typedef...
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2017-03-02T01:11:54 < kakimir> uptime
2017-03-02T01:12:06 < kakimir> you hungry for SHIT crt ?
2017-03-02T01:12:32 < kakimir> always
2017-03-02T01:12:49 < kakimir> what clock is in pumpland now?
2017-03-02T01:14:07 < kakimir> time in pumpland plz
2017-03-02T01:15:59 < ReadError> pumptime is 24/7/365
2017-03-02T01:18:03 < kakimir> why don't you get less boring jubb crt ?
2017-03-02T01:19:33 < kakimir> automatic payments and IRC?
2017-03-02T01:20:12 < kakimir> you should build such room inside your jubb place you could chill a whole day and laught at stupid youtube videos
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2017-03-02T01:22:08 < kakimir> without nobody even knowing you are there
2017-03-02T01:26:02 < ReadError> take it to pm weirdos
2017-03-02T01:26:03 < ReadError> w/e
2017-03-02T01:26:25 < ReadError> you have no concept of War
2017-03-02T01:26:43 < kakimir> what are you talking about?
2017-03-02T01:27:37 < kakimir> what war?
2017-03-02T01:28:31 < ReadError> w/e
2017-03-02T01:29:07 < kakimir> no
2017-03-02T01:29:46 < kakimir> now as has been happening or now as for now on?
2017-03-02T01:31:08 < kakimir> I did buy new speakers for my speakers 3years ago
2017-03-02T01:31:21 < kakimir> paper cones failed
2017-03-02T01:32:02 < kakimir> how does it make you feel?
2017-03-02T01:32:17 < kakimir> you actually recone them?
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2017-03-02T01:32:52 < kakimir> ReadError: spit it out. I want to know your insight
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2017-03-02T01:38:35 < kakimir> what was that beef hex value?
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2017-03-02T01:39:17 < stvn> crt
2017-03-02T01:40:41 < stvn> kakimir>
2017-03-02T01:41:46 < kakimir> yes
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2017-03-02T01:42:14 < stvn> how are they
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2017-03-02T01:44:27 < kakimir> confused
2017-03-02T01:44:41 < stvn> mmm
2017-03-02T01:44:45 < stvn> quality control
2017-03-02T01:44:54 < stvn> how can i train it to this generation of lazy fucks
2017-03-02T01:45:13 < kakimir> who is stvn ?
2017-03-02T01:45:36 < stvn> the boss
2017-03-02T01:46:11 < ReadError> kakimir is a lil slow
2017-03-02T01:46:22 < kakimir> boss of?
2017-03-02T01:46:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c 
2017-03-02T01:46:35 < ReadError> hes crt's  pimp
2017-03-02T01:46:37 < ReadError> basically
2017-03-02T01:46:48 < kakimir> I thought he is his alterego
2017-03-02T01:46:56 < kakimir> like seriously
2017-03-02T01:47:29 < kakimir> maybe it's just contagious personality traits
2017-03-02T01:47:37 < stvn> lol
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2017-03-02T01:48:47 < stvn> the story is very short
2017-03-02T01:49:37 < emeb> latest foolishness -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/0301171643.jpg
2017-03-02T01:49:45 < emeb> 14-bit 80MSPS ADC
2017-03-02T01:50:16 < stvn> my old 'boss' was so autistic nobody could beat common sense into him
2017-03-02T01:50:29 < stvn> so i started my own company and got contracts in 3 months that he couldn't get in 10 years
2017-03-02T01:52:34 < kakimir> are we talking about crt ?
2017-03-02T01:52:51 < stvn> no
2017-03-02T01:52:58 < stvn> crt is stvn
2017-03-02T01:53:17 < emeb> -ETOOMANYNICKS
2017-03-02T01:53:40 < Laurenceb> hi trolls
2017-03-02T01:54:06 < Laurenceb> everyone post chan links
2017-03-02T01:54:19  * emeb just posts pix of boards
2017-03-02T01:54:25 < stvn> hi lb
2017-03-02T01:54:39 < kakimir> hey I have fun game
2017-03-02T01:54:52 < kakimir> everybody post chan links - but Laurenceb 
2017-03-02T01:55:18 < Laurenceb> I only posted 4chan linx, only 8 and 2 chan were b&
2017-03-02T01:55:27 < Laurenceb> also 11 and 12 chan 
2017-03-02T01:55:41 < emeb> "I get my kicks on channel 6"
2017-03-02T01:56:14 < Laurenceb> 5chan.org/
2017-03-02T01:56:39 < emeb> LaurenceBchan.org
2017-03-02T01:56:59 < Laurenceb> 9000chan
2017-03-02T01:58:35 < Laurenceb> https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10310871&cid=53957783
2017-03-02T01:58:40 < Laurenceb> dis comment thread
2017-03-02T01:59:39 < upgrdman> just saw this, have not tried it, but some of you might be interested: a web frontend for gdb:  https://github.com/cs01/gdbgui/
2017-03-02T02:00:10 < Laurenceb> just no
2017-03-02T02:00:23 < emeb> browser-based. what could possibly go wrong?
2017-03-02T02:00:24 < Laurenceb> terminal gdb ftw
2017-03-02T02:00:53 < emeb> they lost me at rust
2017-03-02T02:00:58 < upgrdman> :)
2017-03-02T02:02:33 < upgrdman> i was kinda expecting that to trigger dongie. he must be asleep
2017-03-02T02:03:06 < emeb> Functional programmers, realizing that their entire discipline is rendered inconsistent and useless the instant it is faced with herculean tasks such as "I/O" and "users", finally admit for the record that it's better to do literally anything else when these tasks arise. Satisfying termninology like 'free monad' and 'applicative functors' are bandied about as Hackernews tries to decide if you want imperative nougat with functional candy shell, o
2017-03-02T02:03:57 < Laurenceb> lulling
2017-03-02T02:04:02 < emeb> :)
2017-03-02T02:09:31 < stvn> TRIGGER
2017-03-02T02:10:00 < kakimir> I tried haskell once
2017-03-02T02:13:21 < kakimir> I like C the most
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2017-03-02T02:19:34 < emeb> +0xff
2017-03-02T02:20:39 < stvn> yeah muscles
2017-03-02T02:21:04 < Laurenceb> stvn making even less sense than usual
2017-03-02T02:21:53 < englishman> is that your first patent trollence
2017-03-02T02:22:19 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-03-02T02:22:31 < Laurenceb> lost my patent virginity
2017-03-02T02:22:33 < englishman> congratulations
2017-03-02T02:22:47 < Laurenceb> thanks
2017-03-02T02:23:06 < Laurenceb> pity it's complete bullshit
2017-03-02T02:23:36 < Laurenceb> I have another patent on actual useful stuff involving thermal monitoring of tissue perfusion 
2017-03-02T02:23:55 < stvn> thats the best thing about patents
2017-03-02T02:24:01 < Laurenceb> but I haven't finished the theoretical work required to make sure its actually the best way to do it
2017-03-02T02:24:03 < kakimir> you have patent Laurenceb ?
2017-03-02T02:24:04 < stvn> they dont have to describe something that actually works
2017-03-02T02:24:09 < Laurenceb> so it keeps getting put off forever...
2017-03-02T02:24:15 < Laurenceb> kakimir: yes
2017-03-02T02:24:27 < kakimir> serious money to be come?
2017-03-02T02:24:36 < stvn> gary niger has a patent
2017-03-02T02:24:37 < Laurenceb> haha no chance
2017-03-02T02:24:57 < Laurenceb> it's a requirement of the uni that they get a patent out of everything they can
2017-03-02T02:25:04 < stvn> split 5 ways he stands to earn about tree fiddy
2017-03-02T02:25:21 < Laurenceb> also people can count patent towards performance related pay
2017-03-02T02:25:28 < kakimir> they sell them then Laurenceb ?
2017-03-02T02:26:01 < Laurenceb> they hope to sell them
2017-03-02T02:26:18 < Laurenceb> but they will never sell a patent on crapillary refill time
2017-03-02T02:26:32 < stvn> the overunity autists love banging on about patents
2017-03-02T02:26:39 < Laurenceb> haha
2017-03-02T02:27:34 < Laurenceb> yesterday I learnt that the biggest overunity troll on the internets, "Rei", is a grrl from Iceland 
2017-03-02T02:27:41 < Laurenceb> muh ideal girlfriend
2017-03-02T02:27:55 < stvn> troll as in trolling the overunity fags
2017-03-02T02:28:12 < Laurenceb> no as in one of them
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2017-03-02T02:28:26 < kakimir> how many stacks my code will generate and what determines it=
2017-03-02T02:28:26 < Laurenceb> comes on irc and starts ranting about muh emdrive, muh eestor
2017-03-02T02:28:27 < stvn> lol
2017-03-02T02:28:33 < stvn> freenode?
2017-03-02T02:28:41 < Laurenceb> is also a 3rd wave radical feminist
2017-03-02T02:28:42 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-03-02T02:28:54 < stvn> cool i'll have to hit her up
2017-03-02T02:29:28 < Laurenceb> ^ how crazy autist babby formed?
2017-03-02T02:29:32 < englishman> where is the em:drive channel laurence
2017-03-02T02:29:35 < englishman> i want to lurk there
2017-03-02T02:29:49 < stvn> yeah smash a baby into her axewound
2017-03-02T02:30:07 < stvn> that'd be good for a bit of a giggle
2017-03-02T02:30:22 < Laurenceb> hmm good question
2017-03-02T02:30:45 < Laurenceb> probably more the sort of thing for efnet
2017-03-02T02:31:06 < stvn> i wanna make a bot which uses the to catch a predator chat logs to talk to grils
2017-03-02T02:31:22 < Laurenceb> ironically emdrive passing peer review is actually a good thing for peer review when you take a closer look
2017-03-02T02:31:35 < englishman> #overunity
2017-03-02T02:31:43 < Laurenceb> as the emdrive tards had to include their full dataset and its clear that it doesnt work
2017-03-02T02:31:44 < englishman> on feenode
2017-03-02T02:31:48 < Laurenceb> oh wow
2017-03-02T02:31:59 < Laurenceb> I'm not feeling brave enough to visit
2017-03-02T02:32:56 < stvn> hmmmmmmmmmm
2017-03-02T02:33:29 < Laurenceb> the best proof the emdrive doesnt work is the latest nasa paper
2017-03-02T02:33:45 < englishman> fake proof
2017-03-02T02:33:47 < stvn> or science
2017-03-02T02:34:40 < Laurenceb> fake science: anything from my PhD supervisor
2017-03-02T02:34:58 < stvn> lets make a pseudo scientific paper Laurenceb 
2017-03-02T02:35:15 < stvn> terms such as 'autism intensity vector' shall be used
2017-03-02T02:35:25 < stvn> sarkeesian plane
2017-03-02T02:35:49 < englishman> Open-Source Software and Self-Identified Transgenderism: Causation = Correlation?
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2017-03-02T02:35:52 < BrainDamage> how did the nasa paper even pass peer review
2017-03-02T02:36:14 < emeb> haha - searched patents & found: me, my dad, my grandfather, my 2nd cousin and my brother.
2017-03-02T02:36:15 < englishman> link 2 paper please laurent
2017-03-02T02:36:21 < stvn> how did america ever get a black president
2017-03-02T02:36:28 < Laurenceb> I guess it must have been something to do with NASA on the top
2017-03-02T02:36:31 < BrainDamage> they elected it
2017-03-02T02:36:35 < Laurenceb>  "it"
2017-03-02T02:36:38 < stvn> it
2017-03-02T02:36:39 < Laurenceb> top trollin
2017-03-02T02:36:41 < stvn> lol
2017-03-02T02:36:44 < BrainDamage> it president
2017-03-02T02:36:56 < Simon--> woosh
2017-03-02T02:37:48 < Laurenceb> http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/pdf/10.2514/1.B36120
2017-03-02T02:37:52 < kakimir> what does stack frame mean?
2017-03-02T02:38:14 < stvn> part of a tractor
2017-03-02T02:38:23 < kakimir> not same thing than stack=
2017-03-02T02:38:49 < BrainDamage> yes I've already read it and there's plenty of weird things
2017-03-02T02:38:59 < stvn> yes it involves a stack
2017-03-02T02:39:05 < Laurenceb> data quality is aweful
2017-03-02T02:39:06 < BrainDamage> like thurst varying in reverse configuration
2017-03-02T02:39:07 < englishman> thx laurent
2017-03-02T02:39:23 < BrainDamage> so few data points when theycould've taken hundred
2017-03-02T02:39:36 < BrainDamage> huge variability in the samples for the few they are
2017-03-02T02:39:40 < Laurenceb> all its tells you is that artefacts are unmodelled and order of mag greater than any thrust
2017-03-02T02:40:09 < BrainDamage> yup, by the paper's own admission the thermal effecs are on the same magnitude of the thrust, simulated and then subtracted
2017-03-02T02:40:20 < BrainDamage> so any error in the sim = bullshit in the result
2017-03-02T02:40:42 < englishman> which is as expected and in line with everyone else's results
2017-03-02T02:40:49 < stvn> nasa used to do cool things like launch paedophiles into deep space
2017-03-02T02:41:06 < kakimir> in my simple application is there more than 1 stacks?
2017-03-02T02:41:17 < englishman> apollo 13 still holds the manned altitude record
2017-03-02T02:41:33 < stvn> you can have russian dolls inside of russian dolls
2017-03-02T02:42:23 < BrainDamage> eh part of nasa obsolescence was because they didn't have the cold war propaganda to fuel them
2017-03-02T02:42:25 < kakimir> matryoshka
2017-03-02T02:42:40 < BrainDamage> and the ridicolous requirements the shuttle had, that were used like twice
2017-03-02T02:42:50 < BrainDamage> as in recapturing sats in low earth orbit
2017-03-02T02:42:56 < BrainDamage> for ofc military pourposes
2017-03-02T02:43:34 < kakimir> can you hide in near space Laurenceb ?
2017-03-02T02:43:56 < englishman> well they also asked for $450b to go to mars in 1990
2017-03-02T02:44:06 < englishman> and they got $0
2017-03-02T02:44:07 < kakimir> like a real big space ship just hanging there and public would now know like in movies'
2017-03-02T02:48:18 < BrainDamage> space sauna
2017-03-02T02:48:53 < dongs> http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/amazon-cockup/news-story/54138e81b21e9a3a9094dc219aac3dd4
2017-03-02T02:49:24 < BrainDamage> old? it was yesterday
2017-03-02T02:49:38 < kakimir> BrainDamage: good idea
2017-03-02T02:52:53 < kakimir> other nations should do space science and war but finns maybe should first get a sauna on orbit before other things
2017-03-02T02:53:38 < Laurenceb> <stvn> nasa used to do cool things like launch paedophiles into deep space
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2017-03-02T02:53:49 < Laurenceb> stvn has been watching the Brass Eye pedophile special
2017-03-02T02:54:03 < stvn> wuts dat
2017-03-02T02:57:07 < dongs> dongs, is what
2017-03-02T02:59:49 < Laurenceb> spoof documentary, nasa launches a mission to blast pedophiles into space, but school trip ends up trapped onboard with them
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2017-03-02T03:01:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc
2017-03-02T03:03:49 < englishman> dongs: s3 dashboard also runs on s3
2017-03-02T03:04:01 < englishman> so they were unable to take reports or post updates or whatever
2017-03-02T03:04:11 < dongs> cool
2017-03-02T03:04:30 < dongs> i donno shit about this amadong shit, i'm still getting some fags to pay for a real non-virtualized box like $200 a month
2017-03-02T03:04:41 < englishman> yeah it seems super duper gay
2017-03-02T03:04:54 < englishman> hey lets take this distributed architecture and give it a single point of failure somehow
2017-03-02T03:05:31 < englishman> like cloudflare, the fact that so many (so many) people use it is lol
2017-03-02T03:06:08 < BrainDamage> isn't it something crazy like 1% of the web runs on cloudflare?
2017-03-02T03:06:29 < dongs> leak ur credentials bros
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2017-03-02T03:43:10 < emeb_mac> F7 + 64MB SDRAM -> https://www.instagram.com/p/BRHhgzRl4yF/
2017-03-02T03:47:10 < kakimir> nice
2017-03-02T03:47:43 < stvn> todays smooth
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2017-03-02T04:32:34 < aandrew> hm, on stm32 when using EXTI, I see (for example) all port bit 0s are routed to EXTI0 which calls EXTI0_IRQHandler(). Does this mean that I can only route ONE GPIO port bit 0 to an IRQ handler?
2017-03-02T04:32:51 < englishman> does a reverb need 64MB ram?
2017-03-02T04:32:58 < englishman> and an F7?
2017-03-02T04:33:10 < aandrew> no, but you're gonna do it anyway becuase that'd be cool
2017-03-02T04:33:29 < englishman> srs q as i know nothing about audio but it seems like a lot
2017-03-02T04:33:36 < aandrew> it is a lot
2017-03-02T04:34:23 < englishman> and no you can route multiple gpios there then check in the irq which flag tripped it
2017-03-02T04:34:29 < englishman> iirc
2017-03-02T04:34:41 < aandrew> englishman: but the EXTI config regs seem to be a mux, not a bit mask
2017-03-02T04:36:00 < englishman> hm yeah youre right
2017-03-02T04:36:03 < englishman> at least on f405
2017-03-02T04:36:57 < aandrew> there are 23 edge detectors, and it looks like (for example) EXTI0 handles PA0, PB0, PC0 ... EXTI1 PA1 PB1 etc, then there's 5-9 and 10-15 I think
2017-03-02T04:37:08 < aandrew> there there must be another 8 EXTI sources that aren't GPIO
2017-03-02T04:38:37 < englishman> yeah, rtc, usb, eethernet etc
2017-03-02T04:40:06 < emeb_mac> englishman: aandrew: The amount of memory needed for a *good* reverb can be fairly large.
2017-03-02T04:40:19 < aandrew> 64MB large??
2017-03-02T04:40:32 < emeb_mac> a cheap (sounding) reverb can be done in 128kB
2017-03-02T04:41:03 < emeb_mac> 64MB is probably more than this one needs, but the cost difference is fairly small.
2017-03-02T04:42:37 < stvn> fucken dirrrrrrrrty 
2017-03-02T04:42:38 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/QS3RD7O.jpg
2017-03-02T04:48:17 < dongs> https://world.taobao.com/item/43352698864.htm?fromSite=main
2017-03-02T04:48:19 < dongs> fuckin score
2017-03-02T04:48:25 < dongs> the holygrail of cloned phoenix connectors
2017-03-02T04:49:07 < stvn> nice
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2017-03-02T04:51:01 < stvn> china 4 life
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2017-03-02T05:11:49 < stvn> whens the fucken pub open
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2017-03-02T05:18:05 < stvn> hi peter
2017-03-02T05:18:50 < dongs> how many mixers did you destroy today
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2017-03-02T05:20:32 < stvn> as many as i destroyed
2017-03-02T05:21:02 < stvn> can you tell mouser to hurry the fuck up for me?
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2017-03-02T05:40:16 < boB_K7IQ> emeb Is that reverb made from an Axoloti board ?
2017-03-02T05:41:23 < boB_K7IQ> I assume you are familiar with those.  Might be an F4xx actually not F7
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2017-03-02T05:53:33 < upgrdman> dongs, iirc you've used esp12e's? for basic hello world shit, what needs to be connected? obviously tx/rx/3v3/gnd. do reset and enable needs to be driven high? anything else?
2017-03-02T05:54:07 < dongs> i have a sch somewhere but that sounds about right
2017-03-02T05:54:09 < dongs> 1 sec
2017-03-02T05:55:03 < dongs> GPIO15 is 10k PD
2017-03-02T05:55:08 < dongs> REST is 10k PU
2017-03-02T05:55:11 < dongs> otherwise.. i think whatever
2017-03-02T05:55:32 < dongs> i think i stole that from some NODEMCU shit or hwatever
2017-03-02T05:55:42 < upgrdman> ahh k
2017-03-02T05:55:43 < upgrdman> thanks
2017-03-02T05:55:53 < dongs> there's plenty of tarduino reference designs floating around
2017-03-02T05:55:57 < upgrdman> k
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2017-03-02T06:15:33 < englishman> dongs: cleanflight closed all 481 open issues
2017-03-02T06:15:44 < dongs> amaze
2017-03-02T06:15:48 < dongs> so it is officialyl bug free now?
2017-03-02T06:15:54 < englishman> always was
2017-03-02T06:15:54 < dongs> go java
2017-03-02T06:15:55 < englishman> fake issues
2017-03-02T06:15:56 < ReadError> didnt he just sed replace everything in betaflight ?
2017-03-02T06:16:01 < ReadError> to rename it cleanflight
2017-03-02T06:16:21 < englishman> yes that made the fpv times, page 58
2017-03-02T06:16:32 < englishman> cover page was props with purple glitter
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2017-03-02T06:17:12 < ReadError> i thought cut off finger tips are all the rage right now
2017-03-02T06:30:30 < ReadError> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/02/30-days-jail-for-operator-of-drone-that-knocked-woman-unconscious/
2017-03-02T06:32:09 < englishman> too bad washington doesnt have the death penalty
2017-03-02T06:34:06 < dongs> "danielle" from ZION TECH GROUP wants to add me on skype, sounds totally legit rite
2017-03-02T06:34:51 < dongs> reviews from the web: 5/5 on faceboom
2017-03-02T06:34:54 < dongs> must be totally legit
2017-03-02T06:44:08 < emeb_mac> skype
2017-03-02T06:44:14 < emeb_mac> who does that anymore?
2017-03-02T06:44:28 < dongs> what do newage hipsters use
2017-03-02T06:44:31 < dongs> public @tweets?
2017-03-02T06:45:43 < dongs> ...
2017-03-02T06:46:17 < dongs> isnt that old as ashes
2017-03-02T06:48:19 < dongs> why tehj uck does urkcloud looke like a fucking messenger
2017-03-02T06:48:27 < dongs> is that what they dumbed irc down to
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2017-03-02T06:50:18 < englishman> emeb_mac: it seems every chinaman uses skype, to talk to white people
2017-03-02T06:50:34 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-03-02T06:50:34 < dongs> they would use QQ if thre was a non-spyware client for it
2017-03-02T06:50:37 < englishman> my app doesnt look like that
2017-03-02T06:50:48 < dongs> Q_Q
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2017-03-02T06:50:52 < englishman> that looks like some iphoe bullshit
2017-03-02T06:50:59 < nmz787_> anyone in here a timer guru?
2017-03-02T06:51:24 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b]
2017-03-02T06:51:37 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-03-02T06:51:40 < englishman> the white cat got trapped in the trash bin last night
2017-03-02T06:51:53 < emeb_mac> englishman: trash everywhere?
2017-03-02T06:52:13 < ReadError> how does urkcloud look like a messenger ?
2017-03-02T06:52:18 < ReadError> it looks like irc 
2017-03-02T06:52:33 < englishman> its one of those step bins and the top was slightly open as i just took the trash out and it can get stuck
2017-03-02T06:52:50 < englishman> cats were fighting and she jumped on it to get away but didnt make it
2017-03-02T06:52:56 < englishman> fell in and her weight closed the top
2017-03-02T06:53:02 < englishman> i let her out after a while
2017-03-02T06:53:08 < dongs> ReadError: < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hnh3DzIy/IMG_1350.PNG
2017-03-02T06:53:10 < englishman> just long enough to feel shame
2017-03-02T06:53:11 < dongs> then what the fuck is this
2017-03-02T06:53:19 < ReadError> thats txt message
2017-03-02T06:53:20 < ReadError> sms
2017-03-02T06:53:30 < dongs> top fucking says BACK TO IRC CLUOUD"
2017-03-02T06:53:38 < ReadError> yea cuz he clicked on a notification
2017-03-02T06:53:41 < ReadError> while irccloud was open
2017-03-02T06:53:47 < dongs> oic fucking apple faggotry
2017-03-02T06:53:49 < dongs> confusing as shit
2017-03-02T06:53:56 < ReadError> eh nah it works well
2017-03-02T06:54:09 < ReadError> lol urs looks gay crt 
2017-03-02T06:54:17 < dongs> god damn that looks awful
2017-03-02T06:54:25 < dongs> why the fuck would you need those retarded huge circles
2017-03-02T06:54:35 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Q7wdXRBJ/IMG_1659.PNG
2017-03-02T06:54:42 < ReadError> thats how a real chatters looks
2017-03-02T06:55:07 < dongs> literally
2017-03-02T06:55:15 < dongs> crt is probably efsnable
2017-03-02T06:55:20 < ReadError> lol
2017-03-02T06:55:59 < ReadError> aka the worst chatter on efnet
2017-03-02T06:56:18 < englishman> lets see some c
2017-03-02T06:56:36 < ReadError> dongs would blow his brains out seeing that
2017-03-02T06:57:16 < dongs> hes bant from stonertronics
2017-03-02T06:57:25 < ReadError> too much footsie talk?
2017-03-02T06:57:31 < dongs> after repeated fucking 100+ lines monoblogues about some retards feet
2017-03-02T06:57:33 < dongs> yes
2017-03-02T06:57:50 < ReadError> yea, he really wants to sniff emilia clarks feet and shitter
2017-03-02T06:59:34 < englishman> efs -> https://i.imgur.com/HfTr7cr.gifv
2017-03-02T06:59:58 < ReadError> lol
2017-03-02T07:01:48 < upgrdman> im always afraid that if i try to be smooth, this shit'll happen  http://i.imgur.com/tXzbGcX.gifv
2017-03-02T07:08:50 < dongs> < englishman> efs -> https://i.imgur.com/HfTr7cr.gifv
2017-03-02T07:08:52 < dongs> haha fucking retard
2017-03-02T07:09:12 < dongs> didn't it just finish doign exactly asme thing few meters over
2017-03-02T07:09:26 < ReadError> ive actually suspected that you may be effy's father dongs 
2017-03-02T07:10:39 < upgrdman> good job mercedes  http://i.imgur.com/VmPUj92.jpg
2017-03-02T07:15:44 < englishman> unit = 1, clearly 5 in each bag
2017-03-02T07:16:10 < englishman> i really dont miss autoparts
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2017-03-02T07:19:24 < ReadError> smokin dat meow meow
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2017-03-02T07:47:53 < emeb_mac> I used to have an alarm cat
2017-03-02T07:48:03 < emeb_mac> would wake me up at dawn for breakfast
2017-03-02T07:48:23 < emeb_mac> got an electronic feeder so he'd let me sleep
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2017-03-02T07:52:54 < stvn> cats
2017-03-02T07:53:02 < stvn> sup pumpers
2017-03-02T07:54:08 < ohsix> https://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/fart-detector/worksheet/
2017-03-02T07:55:01 < ohsix> i want to build an esp8266 thing that detects farts based on sound and tweets about it, and then put them places
2017-03-02T07:58:05 < emeb_mac> we live in wondrous times
2017-03-02T07:58:16 < ohsix> a gas detector would be funny too though
2017-03-02T07:58:23 < emeb_mac> who would have believed that such technology would be available?
2017-03-02T07:58:30 < stvn> yeah hyperloop
2017-03-02T07:58:34 < ohsix> lots of farts people don't smell or hear, but could be detected
2017-03-02T07:58:37 < stvn> gonna get one to tasmania tonight
2017-03-02T07:59:19 < stvn> howsabout a bidda dat then?
2017-03-02T07:59:51 < ohsix> emeb_mac: call 6072755129
2017-03-02T08:00:36 < emeb_mac> uh, why?
2017-03-02T08:01:07 < ohsix> novelty, related to this wonderous age
2017-03-02T08:02:40 < ohsix> i texted some people with 'someone called my phone asking for you, it sounded important xxx'
2017-03-02T08:03:14 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-03-02T08:03:20 < emeb_mac> lol japan: https://twitter.com/nippon_en/status/837162774656499712
2017-03-02T08:04:10 < ohsix> Scholarly analysis and entertaining articles on Japan's society, economy, and politics
2017-03-02T08:04:12 < ohsix> huuuuuuhuhu
2017-03-02T08:04:36 < ohsix> anyways that number is someones twilio app, it plays a minute of fart noises then hangs up
2017-03-02T08:05:06 < ohsix> good to leave as a callback number on answering services
2017-03-02T08:05:12 < emeb_mac> hrhr
2017-03-02T08:05:39 < ohsix> or on forms you don't want to fill out
2017-03-02T08:08:26 < ohsix> emeb_mac: clicking on that link made twitter suggest i follow notch and cliffyb
2017-03-02T08:08:58 < emeb_mac> I never pay attention to those
2017-03-02T08:09:06 < emeb_mac> after it suggested bill cosby
2017-03-02T08:09:52 < ohsix> haa
2017-03-02T08:10:17 < ohsix> i've no doubt that those dudes love japan and it is a totally legit suggestion
2017-03-02T08:10:31 < ohsix> notch is intolerable, cliffyb annoying 15 years ago
2017-03-02T08:10:51 < emeb_mac> I have no idea who those are
2017-03-02T08:10:56  * emeb_mac is old?
2017-03-02T08:10:59 < ohsix> lucky
2017-03-02T08:11:03 < ohsix> nah
2017-03-02T08:11:31 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/boboseye/eye-take-your-phone-to-the-next-level what the actual fuck
2017-03-02T08:12:36 < stvn> kickstarter mate
2017-03-02T08:13:02 < stvn> if they zano
2017-03-02T08:13:06 < stvn> what else?
2017-03-02T08:13:10 < dongs> yeah but
2017-03-02T08:13:20 < dongs> this is some next level retard shit
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2017-03-02T08:15:22 < stvn> that is the essence of autism
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2017-03-02T08:20:34 < stvn> clean and pure
2017-03-02T08:21:37 < stvn> the amplifier
2017-03-02T08:21:51 < stvn> y(t) = kx(t)
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2017-03-02T08:23:07 < stvn> how much autism can be had over 20Hz-20kHz
2017-03-02T08:23:14 < stvn> more than you can possibly imagine.
2017-03-02T08:24:06 < ohsix> i took my phone to the next level, don't recommend it
2017-03-02T08:27:01 < ohsix> ReadError: beep
2017-03-02T08:27:21 < ohsix> want to do reaction wheel tests w/ outrunner bells as flywheel
2017-03-02T08:27:47 < ohsix> are any of the esc's hackable enough to program & use or should i just expect to have to do that shit
2017-03-02T08:28:10 < ohsix> input will probably be phase
2017-03-02T08:31:32 < ohsix> if i can avoid making the wheels it might be happy fun time
2017-03-02T08:32:47 < ohsix> http://www.dx.com/p/hj5005-kv800-disk-brushless-outrunner-motor-with-mounting-for-rc-quad-copter-2-pcs-225647 squatbro
2017-03-02T08:33:22 < ohsix> oh man i feel dum now
2017-03-02T08:33:29 < ohsix> hd platter motors
2017-03-02T08:33:39 < ohsix> of which i have >10
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2017-03-02T08:56:13 < ReadError> not sure what u mean
2017-03-02T08:56:17 < ReadError> what do u need to hack/do 
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2017-03-02T08:56:47 < stvn> nothing
2017-03-02T08:57:54 < stvn> ReadError, where are the hacktivists!
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2017-03-02T08:58:23 < ReadError> probably off being fgts
2017-03-02T08:58:35 < stvn> yeah
2017-03-02T08:58:41 < stvn> i have triggered stonertronics
2017-03-02T08:58:48 < stvn> apparently the answers must be spoon fed
2017-03-02T08:59:07 < ReadError> not the real stonertronics
2017-03-02T08:59:13 < ReadError> freenode one is spergetronics
2017-03-02T08:59:17 < stvn> whatever that is
2017-03-02T08:59:21 < stvn> but do you agree
2017-03-02T08:59:31 < stvn> if somebody spoonfed you all the answers you'd learn nothing?
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2017-03-02T09:14:49 < stvn> fucking hell
2017-03-02T09:14:54 < stvn> zanos and hyperfags
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2017-03-02T09:26:56 < dongs> wtf pololu is american?
2017-03-02T09:27:00 < dongs> i always thought it was some chink cloneshop
2017-03-02T09:27:03 < ReadError> yea
2017-03-02T09:27:05 < ReadError> vegas
2017-03-02T09:27:05 < stvn> well you know
2017-03-02T09:27:12 < dongs> is all their shit original?
2017-03-02T09:27:15 < stvn> if they can get 1c per sale its better than nothing
2017-03-02T09:27:15 < dongs> or is it just chink resale
2017-03-02T09:27:19 < ReadError> original
2017-03-02T09:27:34 < dongs> so fucking weird.
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2017-03-02T09:33:28 < upgrdman> polololu isnt cheap, whyd you think they were cn'ese?
2017-03-02T09:33:58 < dongs> fuck knows
2017-03-02T09:34:07 < dongs> they sell all sorts of weird oddball shit
2017-03-02T09:34:09 < dongs> that only chinks would sell
2017-03-02T09:34:22 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-02T09:34:50 < stvn> lol
2017-03-02T09:35:06 < stvn> i need to consult timecop on a trolling venture
2017-03-02T09:35:40 < stvn> can he prove the jews invented autism to poison the blood of the white man>
2017-03-02T09:35:43 < dongs> post up some craigslist ads for bzbee book
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2017-03-02T09:50:40 < dongs> ha ha
2017-03-02T09:51:48 < dongs> <coworker> got the pcba. but no clock out. is it supposed to work without setting registers? <me> yeah, it just outputs sine <coworker> oh fuck, i know. my crystal was reversed. I copied your schematic and my footprint was wrong
2017-03-02T09:52:01 < dongs> how the fuck do you not notice incorrect fucking crystal pinout (or how do you even haev it wrong in the fsit place)
2017-03-02T09:52:05 < dongs> fucking stoner
2017-03-02T09:52:24 < Steffanx> You have coworkers?
2017-03-02T09:52:39 < dongs> unfortunately! they havent all quit yet
2017-03-02T09:52:42 < dongs> this guy is on the edge tho
2017-03-02T09:55:29 < dongs> sure
2017-03-02T09:55:30 < dongs> i mean
2017-03-02T09:55:39 < dongs> nRF51 doesn't say "to be used for bluetooth dildos"
2017-03-02T09:55:39 < ohsix> http://jalopnik.com/trip-to-candle-store-takes-drastic-turn-1790001106
2017-03-02T09:55:41 < dongs> but thats wehre I used it
2017-03-02T09:58:22 < ohsix> a smartphone dildo sure sounds like a lame kickstarter
2017-03-02T10:07:37 < dongs> jig of course
2017-03-02T10:07:38 < zyp> lurk moar
2017-03-02T10:07:44 < dongs> ya srs
2017-03-02T10:08:13 < zyp> programming jig
2017-03-02T10:08:43 < dongs> pogopins and stuff
2017-03-02T10:08:43 < ReadError> R2COM: just get them flashed b4 assembly
2017-03-02T10:08:51 < dongs> snort
2017-03-02T10:08:54 < dongs> zano-style
2017-03-02T10:09:38 < ReadError> 10 million ?
2017-03-02T10:10:07 < zyp> so, you guys think stm32 timers are complex? TI RM timers contain a whole own cpu with its own instruction set
2017-03-02T10:10:22 < dongs> is that the b eagleboner shit?
2017-03-02T10:10:27 < dongs> with some 'realtime' crap thing on it?
2017-03-02T10:10:43 < ohsix> are you talking about the 2 prus?
2017-03-02T10:10:56 < zyp> no, TI RM is the cortex-r stuff
2017-03-02T10:11:10 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-02T10:11:11 < stvn> cuntex
2017-03-02T10:11:36 < ReadError> R2COM: they do
2017-03-02T10:11:40 < ReadError> and its really cheap
2017-03-02T10:11:48 < ohsix> what's the arm name for the ip, or what is it part of
2017-03-02T10:12:22 < ReadError> the pcb assembler
2017-03-02T10:13:54 < ohsix> deterministic interrupt handling plus cache eh
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2017-03-02T10:19:59 < dongs> lul, snapshat IPO'd at 24bil$
2017-03-02T10:20:07 < dongs> absolutely fucking worthless
2017-03-02T10:22:31 < dongs> o shit, just cause 3 download finished
2017-03-02T10:24:39 < dongs> i would buy it if it wasnt faggotry
2017-03-02T10:24:43 < dongs> OR if I'd play it for more than 5 mins
2017-03-02T10:24:49 < ReadError> too many shitty games 
2017-03-02T10:25:04 < dongs> sounds boring
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2017-03-02T10:31:29 < stvn> cool
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2017-03-02T10:41:10 < dongs> found stvn's shop
2017-03-02T10:41:12 < dongs> http://airborn.com.au/serial/rs232.html
2017-03-02T10:41:15 < dongs> scroll down about 40%
2017-03-02T10:41:17 < dongs> to the first paypal link
2017-03-02T10:44:46 < stvn> no stm32
2017-03-02T10:45:20 < stvn> when the shop opens i'll have senpai says
2017-03-02T10:45:49 < stvn> cloners make for organ donors
2017-03-02T10:57:08 < Steffanx> .au means autist right?
2017-03-02T10:57:39 < ReadError> time2update to altium 17.0.10
2017-03-02T11:01:26 < stvn> lol
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2017-03-02T11:26:03 < ReadError> u m8
2017-03-02T11:27:11 < ReadError> just updating altidumb
2017-03-02T11:27:56 < dongs> updating it doesnt make you any smarter
2017-03-02T11:28:16 < ReadError> i never said it would
2017-03-02T11:37:08 < ReadError> hmm when did it start phoning home
2017-03-02T11:42:17 < ReadError> dont judge me
2017-03-02T11:43:20 < Thorn> chinese si4463 module with stm8 onboard is $3, without: $10+
2017-03-02T11:43:26 < Thorn> where is the logic
2017-03-02T11:43:38 < sync_> they have to desolder the stm8
2017-03-02T11:58:45 < ReadError> wow altium still cant handle display scaling right
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2017-03-02T12:05:32 < dongs> i think he's still +q'd
2017-03-02T12:06:18 < Laurenceb> https://ibin.co/3EACAqLUU8J5.png
2017-03-02T12:06:22 < Laurenceb> I'm back
2017-03-02T12:06:34 < dongs> not off to a good start
2017-03-02T12:06:41 < dongs> cuz thats about as funny as crt's mom
2017-03-02T12:10:21 < ReadError> she polishes a mean knob though
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2017-03-02T12:14:38 < Thorn> why so many bluetooth modules (hc-05/6/7...) and which one to get
2017-03-02T12:14:54 < Laurenceb> none
2017-03-02T12:16:08 < Thorn> why
2017-03-02T12:16:19 < ReadError> its the age of the ESP
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2017-03-02T12:20:31 < dongs> yeah, some engineer from ADI delivered me 'prototype code'
2017-03-02T12:20:39 < dongs> written for a fucking ESP14/88 module in arduino.ino format
2017-03-02T12:20:44 < dongs> i mean what the actual fuck!?
2017-03-02T12:21:07 < dongs> it looked like typical arduino garbage too
2017-03-02T12:21:12 < dongs> inconsistent indentation everwehre
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2017-03-02T12:21:14 < dongs> copypasted shit
2017-03-02T12:21:14 < dongs> etc
2017-03-02T12:21:34 < Laurenceb> while(1)
2017-03-02T12:21:42 < Laurenceb> busyloop insanity
2017-03-02T12:21:46 < dongs> loop() { Serial.println("cocks"); }
2017-03-02T12:21:55 < Laurenceb> in interrupts
2017-03-02T12:21:57 < Laurenceb> *no
2017-03-02T12:22:11 < dongs> arduino needs systick
2017-03-02T12:22:21 < dongs> to solve all problems
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2017-03-02T12:22:50 < Laurenceb> arduino needs chibios
2017-03-02T12:23:05 < dongs> chibidongs
2017-03-02T12:23:15 < Laurenceb> then it might encourage the perman00b library writers to make semi decent code
2017-03-02T12:23:24 < dongs> dreasm on
2017-03-02T12:24:14 < Laurenceb> https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/kitchen.jpg?w=400&h=400
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2017-03-02T12:24:53 < dongs> i havent even turned on my 3D printer in liek 6 months
2017-03-02T12:30:35 < zyp> I haven't even assembled mine in like 6 years
2017-03-02T12:32:26 < dongs> ^ srs MAKE:R talking
2017-03-02T12:34:48 < Steffanx> I havent owned one in 27 years. 
2017-03-02T12:35:08 < karlp> selfdoxing Steffanx?
2017-03-02T12:35:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> I designed some stuff to print yesterday, haven't turned it on in a week and a half
2017-03-02T12:35:22 < Steffanx> Im surprised to hear you even have one dongs. As quality is crap
2017-03-02T12:36:06 < Steffanx> Im young, i dont carr about telling my age karlp ;)
2017-03-02T12:36:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> Either that or you're a time traveller
2017-03-02T12:36:58 < Steffanx> In the end we are all 13 anyway
2017-03-02T12:37:53 < ReadError> im an oldfag
2017-03-02T12:50:28 < dongs> nigger?
2017-03-02T12:51:04 < Thorn> y so cheap https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/100pcs-5630-5730-CW-WW-0-5W-150Ma-50-55lm-6500K-White-Light-SMD-5730-5630/731260_32628758992.html
2017-03-02T12:51:51 < dongs> Thorn is the master of finding the cheapest fucking trash
2017-03-02T12:52:04 < PeterM> just got an email - elecrow is now makin purple soldermask pcbs lol
2017-03-02T12:52:10 < dongs> PeterM: cloned
2017-03-02T12:52:49 < dongs> GREAT WALL
2017-03-02T12:53:12 < ReadError> ching chong ding dong
2017-03-02T12:54:21 < PeterM> now all the have to do is fuck up peoples pcbs and they're jsut like oshpark
2017-03-02T12:54:24 < PeterM> oh wait
2017-03-02T12:54:28 < PeterM> they already do
2017-03-02T12:54:32 < PeterM> because china
2017-03-02T12:57:02 < emeryth> they fuck it up only if your name is dave
2017-03-02T12:57:53 < PeterM> who?
2017-03-02T12:58:06 < dongs> Dave Jobless
2017-03-02T12:58:27 < PeterM> nah oshfark and elecrow fuck up plenty of stuff
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2017-03-02T12:59:46 < emeryth> but elecrow sends you extra pcbs so it's ok
2017-03-02T13:00:24 < PeterM> that doesnt help if every one of your pcbs is routed o nthe inside of the board outline not on the outside...
2017-03-02T13:01:02 < emeryth> what
2017-03-02T13:01:30 < dongs> thats cuz you use EAGLE
2017-03-02T13:01:36 < PeterM> the fuck?
2017-03-02T13:01:38 < dongs> blame nobody but YOURSELF
2017-03-02T13:01:39 < dongs> amirite?
2017-03-02T13:01:39 < PeterM> i use altium
2017-03-02T13:01:47 < dongs> i know, im trolling
2017-03-02T13:02:06 < dongs> maybe your GKO was like 64mils wide
2017-03-02T13:02:12 < dongs> and they thought HMM CENTER OR EDGE?
2017-03-02T13:02:21 < PeterM> but seriously, how does a "professional" pcb fab fuck that up
2017-03-02T13:03:22 < dongs> (i doubt any thinking was involved)
2017-03-02T13:03:27 < PeterM> like "fuck it guys, im gonna stick the router o nthe inside of the line and cut a 3mm strip all around the board through traces and everything, no worries mate
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2017-03-02T13:03:49 < dongs> its jsut a shitty maker board who cares!
2017-03-02T13:03:59 < PeterM> true true
2017-03-02T13:04:07 < dongs> they'll never notice
2017-03-02T13:04:30 < PeterM> notice? wont even use the board, they cant solder smd lol
2017-03-02T13:04:35 < dongs> haha
2017-03-02T13:04:40 < dongs> SMD keychain
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2017-03-02T14:38:21 < ReadError> hmm kicad is still super autistic 
2017-03-02T14:39:55 < Laurenceb_> no shit
2017-03-02T14:40:37 < Steffanx> Why?
2017-03-02T14:51:14 < ReadError> just retarded to use
2017-03-02T14:51:24 < ReadError> slow 
2017-03-02T14:51:33 < ReadError> constant stutter 
2017-03-02T14:53:11 < Laurenceb_> McCulloch, M.E., 2015. Energy from swastika-shaped rotors. Progress in Physics, 11, 2, 139-140.PDF
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2017-03-02T14:55:34 < BrainDamage> you could use that pattern for the stream redirectors in the rocket nozzle
2017-03-02T14:55:43 < Laurenceb_> haha good plan
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2017-03-02T15:05:54 < sync_> Laurenceb_: you got me started on something, I ordered some D motors for messing about
2017-03-02T15:10:10 < Laurenceb_> heh good luck
2017-03-02T15:10:15 < Laurenceb_> Klima motors?
2017-03-02T15:11:16  * Laurenceb_ has taken a step back and been working on high temperature seals for launching the rocket out of a tube cleanly
2017-03-02T15:12:50 < Laurenceb_> testing with compressed air I'm getting good results from cotton cord soaked in vaseline and wrapped around the rocket
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2017-03-02T15:42:13 < kakimir> readerror
2017-03-02T15:42:25 < kakimir> use gl renderer
2017-03-02T15:43:30 < ReadError> its in schematic 
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2017-03-02T15:51:10 < ReadError> also mouse wheel behavior is retarded
2017-03-02T15:51:49 < Laurenceb_> lul I've raged at that
2017-03-02T15:52:05 < Laurenceb_> well I raged and then gave up trying to use kicad
2017-03-02T15:52:19 < Laurenceb_> moar crapillary http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20170027454.pdf
2017-03-02T15:57:30 < Steffanx> I like how you continued my use of crapillary
2017-03-02T15:57:50 < Laurenceb_> cuz its accurate
2017-03-02T16:00:03 < Laurenceb_> lul "moderate" rebels and Turks btfo https://syria.liveuamap.com/
2017-03-02T16:03:19 < karlp> stmcu finder has been updated with the missing l1 parts I was moaning about
2017-03-02T16:07:14 < sync_> Laurenceb_: estes
2017-03-02T16:07:25 < dongs> the app?
2017-03-02T16:07:45 < dongs> i tried to use it but its fucking dumb, i dont think i ever wanted to look for ST parts on my fucking phone
2017-03-02T16:07:54 < Laurenceb_> sync_: ah, the exhaust is much cooler, but lower isp with Estes
2017-03-02T16:07:55 < dongs> and cubemx works fine for parts searching on desktop
2017-03-02T16:08:23 < sync_> I just bought what the local hobby shop had
2017-03-02T16:08:27 < karlp> nah, desktop tool, just launches cubemx I think
2017-03-02T16:08:32 < dongs> karlp: oh haha.
2017-03-02T16:08:37 < dongs> link? or wat
2017-03-02T16:08:40 < dongs> there was an app but it was junk
2017-03-02T16:08:49 < Laurenceb_> http://www.raketenmodellbau-klima.de
2017-03-02T16:09:24 < karlp> dongs: *shrugs* soething leeloo linked.
2017-03-02T16:09:33 < karlp> my cubemx thing doesn't have all the parts in it.
2017-03-02T16:09:47 < dongs> im about to update mine
2017-03-02T16:09:54 < dongs> version 4.19
2017-03-02T16:10:02 < dongs> goto help->updates, it should aut-download new shit
2017-03-02T16:10:26 < karlp> meh, this worked well enough for some power calcs and seeing what parts could be substituted.
2017-03-02T16:10:36 < dongs> sounds like its just cube mx bro
2017-03-02T16:10:40 < dongs> it has the same power calcl shit in ther too
2017-03-02T16:10:49 < karlp> yeah, the part selector is just a front end for it.
2017-03-02T16:10:57 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/development-tools/st-mcu-finder-pc.html
2017-03-02T16:11:05 < karlp> you find a part, and it has some buy /&docs/ links, and then opens up cubemx
2017-03-02T16:12:03 < dongs> oo its pretty new
2017-03-02T16:12:06 < dongs> released feb 9 heh
2017-03-02T16:13:25 < dongs> https://st-videos.s3.amazonaws.com/vd_getting_started_with_ST_MCU_finder_for_desktop.mp4
2017-03-02T16:13:28 < dongs> thats gotta be TTS
2017-03-02T16:15:10 < karlp> yar
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2017-03-02T16:29:23 < kakimir> no way I'm going to register
2017-03-02T16:29:33 < kakimir> keep your shit
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2017-03-02T16:31:55 < englishman> dongs, polololo is usa, he even blogged some years ago about using china equipment, he had to fly someone out to get them UL inspected or some shit
2017-03-02T16:32:47 < englishman> steffan is only 27??
2017-03-02T16:33:07 < englishman> from his chat analysis i guessed at least 55+ with several grown children
2017-03-02T16:35:22 < englishman> Thorn> chinese si4463 module with stm8 onboard is $3
2017-03-02T16:35:25 < englishman> ??? link plz
2017-03-02T16:36:12 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-433Mhz-HC-12-SI4463-Wireless-Serial-Port-Module-1000m-Replace-Bluetooth-NEW/32695273537.html
2017-03-02T16:36:43 < englishman> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/433Mhz-SI4463-Wireless-Module-Serial-Port-1000M-HC-12-Replace-Bluetooth-Antenna-/162222402328
2017-03-02T16:36:45 < englishman> damn
2017-03-02T16:38:00 < Thorn> >you need concatenating a 1N4007 diode to avoid module built-in LDO got fever
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2017-03-02T16:38:37 < englishman> ahahaha
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2017-03-02T16:45:20 < Laurenceb_> find a grrlfiend crt
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2017-03-02T16:47:05 < Thorn> what connector is that btw
2017-03-02T16:47:07 < karlp> englishman: yeah, I had presumed steffanx to be older than 27 too.
2017-03-02T16:47:12 < Thorn> smc?
2017-03-02T16:48:07 < Laurenceb_> I went on tindr, got invited to suckle in some abdl shit within an hour
2017-03-02T16:48:27 < ReadError> the fuck is that
2017-03-02T16:48:32 < ReadError> abdl
2017-03-02T16:48:40 < Laurenceb_> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=abdl
2017-03-02T16:48:52 < ReadError> well you see Laurenceb_ 
2017-03-02T16:48:57 < ReadError> people that arent into that shit
2017-03-02T16:49:02 < ReadError> dont know that acronym 
2017-03-02T16:49:08 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-03-02T16:49:13 < ReadError> which suggest you may be into that kinda thing
2017-03-02T16:49:38 < kakimir> hmm I might even have bluetooth serial adapter somewhere
2017-03-02T16:49:50 < kakimir> I wonder if I bought one
2017-03-02T16:51:28 < Steffanx> Lol wut karlp/englishman
2017-03-02T16:51:47 < Steffanx> Im not childish enough
2017-03-02T16:51:49 < Steffanx> ?
2017-03-02T16:52:31 < BrainDamage> now I'm curious of the perceived age of everyone
2017-03-02T16:52:57 < BrainDamage> you're 30ish
2017-03-02T16:53:05 < zyp> BrainDamage, how about me?
2017-03-02T16:53:12 < BrainDamage> 28?
2017-03-02T16:53:26 < Laurenceb_> muh age?
2017-03-02T16:53:36 < zyp> BrainDamage, used to be
2017-03-02T16:53:53 < englishman> Laurenceb_ is 19. he got his phd at 16
2017-03-02T16:53:58 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-03-02T16:56:28 < kakimir> englishman: what you plan to do with 433 serial?
2017-03-02T16:56:39 < englishman> all kinds of shit
2017-03-02T16:56:54 < englishman> wish they had 915 too but only 868, could modify the output filter tho
2017-03-02T16:57:20 < Thorn> that chip has a huge frequency range iirc
2017-03-02T16:58:41 < kakimir> is it a micro?
2017-03-02T16:58:56 < Thorn> no
2017-03-02T16:58:59 < Thorn> stm8 is
2017-03-02T16:59:47 < englishman> yeah, like 100-1000kHz, just changing matching filter
2017-03-02T17:00:15 < zyp> what are you doing?
2017-03-02T17:00:32 < zyp> oh, some si stuff
2017-03-02T17:01:01 < Laurenceb_> englishman: 434mhz serial ink?
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2017-03-02T17:01:27 < englishman> yeah i made tons of older stuff with si4432
2017-03-02T17:01:54 < Laurenceb_> nice, high data + rate short range?
2017-03-02T17:02:39 < englishman> low + long
2017-03-02T17:02:45 < Laurenceb_> ah cool
2017-03-02T17:02:47 < englishman> but some have 115k working at ~km
2017-03-02T17:02:54 < Laurenceb_> not bad
2017-03-02T17:03:05 < Laurenceb_> avoid the sp1ml :P
2017-03-02T17:03:09 < englishman> :)
2017-03-02T17:03:26 < Laurenceb_> one day I will get round to writing proper firmware for it
2017-03-02T17:03:44 < Laurenceb_> have you got AFC to work on silabs?
2017-03-02T17:05:36 < Thorn> this one is without the stm8 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-SI4463-Wireless-Module-868MHZ-NRF905-SI443238-CC11101/32672570544.html
2017-03-02T17:06:05 < dongs> i like that type marking
2017-03-02T17:06:10 < dongs> by wiping marker acros white silk
2017-03-02T17:06:12 < dongs> so fucking pro
2017-03-02T17:06:37 < zyp> wonder if that shit could do zwave
2017-03-02T17:07:19 < Thorn> It doesn't have uta own protocol unlike nrf24l01+ but I think it's got its own framing
2017-03-02T17:07:26 < Thorn> *its own
2017-03-02T17:07:54 < zyp> I'll have to look at lowlevel zwave some time I'm bored
2017-03-02T17:10:45 < Laurenceb_> dat antenna
2017-03-02T17:12:03 < branjb> ~scope month~
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2017-03-02T17:39:06 < Thorn> >send_descriptor() type=0x21 index=0 langid=0x409: unknown, stall
2017-03-02T17:39:36 < Thorn> dear osx, my device is NOT a HID, it says so in its descriptors, thank you very much
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2017-03-02T17:41:10 < kakimir> I'm looking if there is typedef for stack frame in core_cm3.h?
2017-03-02T17:41:15 < kakimir> or other file
2017-03-02T17:41:24 < kakimir> do you know f there is?
2017-03-02T17:42:04 < Thorn> __get_MSP() etc?
2017-03-02T17:42:17 < Thorn> oh stack frame lol
2017-03-02T17:43:07 < kakimir> I just uint32_t[number]
2017-03-02T17:43:08 < kakimir> ?
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2017-03-02T17:44:15 < Steffanx> So what is englishman's real age? :)
2017-03-02T17:44:20 < zhivko> Hi guys! I want to read adc1 & adc3 on STM32F303CBT6TR device...
2017-03-02T17:44:44 < kakimir> englishman: is 30ish
2017-03-02T17:46:03 < kakimir> uint32_t [8] should be enought typedef for a stack frame?
2017-03-02T17:46:17 < dongs> kikemir
2017-03-02T17:46:21 < dongs> why are you autisming?
2017-03-02T17:46:38 < jpa-> kakimir: uh, stack frame size will depend totally on the number of local variables
2017-03-02T17:47:22 < jpa-> (and compiler, and optimizations; I don't think arm-eabi specifies anything about stack frames, though it might have some unwinding info for c++ exceptions)
2017-03-02T17:48:04 < englishman> Laurenceb_: yeah AFC is enabled
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2017-03-02T17:50:47 < kakimir> jpa-: from frame to frame it may change?
2017-03-02T17:51:33 < kakimir> When the processor invokes an exception, it automatically pushes the following eight registers to the SP in the following order:
2017-03-02T17:51:41 < kakimir> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0337e/Babedgea.html
2017-03-02T17:54:00 < Laurenceb_> englishman: cool, silabs is pretty pro
2017-03-02T17:54:06 < englishman> indeedy
2017-03-02T17:54:09  * Laurenceb_ just landed a new contract
2017-03-02T17:54:14 < Laurenceb_> penis inspector
2017-03-02T17:54:17 < englishman> fish telemetry?
2017-03-02T17:54:47 < Laurenceb_> I have to make a Rpi based computer vision system for automated genitalia assessment
2017-03-02T17:55:17  * Laurenceb_ takes a seat over there
2017-03-02T17:56:08 < Thorn> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/816/782/cce.jpg ?
2017-03-02T17:56:56 < kakimir> jpa-: "ei exception stack framen koko vaihtele, se on eri juttu kuin c-ympäristön pinot"
2017-03-02T17:58:46 < jpa-> kakimir: you didn't say "exception stack frame", you said "stack frame"
2017-03-02T17:59:20 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-02T17:59:35 < jpa-> you can find that typedef in most RTOS headers (like freertos or chibios).. maybe even in the arm cmsis rtos stuff
2017-03-02T18:02:06 < kakimir> why exception stack frame can be fixed size but just stack frame can be anything?
2017-03-02T18:03:45 < jpa-> because exceptions have constant number of arguments (0) etc.
2017-03-02T18:04:58 < jpa-> also it varies what people call "stack frame", in a strict interpretation, one could claim that the exception stack frame is not a stack frame at all because it doesn't correspond to a function (the exception handler will have its own stack frame, which might be even on a different stack)
2017-03-02T18:06:20 < Thorn> the CPU pushes 8 registers but the compiler can push more stuff so it's not fixed, the first part is
2017-03-02T18:07:03 < jpa-> and the compiler's frame pointer register (if it uses one) will typically point somewhere other than the "exception stack frame"
2017-03-02T18:07:33 < jpa-> because the exception handler doesn't really care nor touch the stuff in exception stack frame.. a very simple compiler might not even need to know anything about it
2017-03-02T18:11:12 < kakimir> how do I know that compiler push stuff there?
2017-03-02T18:11:26 < kakimir> and how much? and why
2017-03-02T18:11:37 < kakimir> why would it?
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2017-03-02T18:13:02 < Thorn> local variables for one thing
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2017-03-02T18:13:23 < jpa-> and LR value (the exception return phony value which it needs to store)
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2017-03-02T18:14:24 < branjb> Laurenceb_ do you really
2017-03-02T18:14:32 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-03-02T18:14:39 < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/bh3bZADH what I'm tring jpa- 
2017-03-02T18:14:40 < branjb> lol
2017-03-02T18:14:50 < Laurenceb_> benis and vagoo inspection
2017-03-02T18:15:06 < branjb> how do you tell if attack helicopter?
2017-03-02T18:15:19 < Laurenceb_> sealed device with b&w lcd display of vital info
2017-03-02T18:15:26 < kakimir> I'm way above my skills here but I thinks to try it
2017-03-02T18:16:37 < kakimir> I just __attribute__ ((section (".noinit"))) it
2017-03-02T18:18:41 < Laurenceb_> that only works if defined in linker script aiui?
2017-03-02T18:18:42 < jpa-> kakimir: makes sense
2017-03-02T18:19:40 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BRI48sYhpH3/
2017-03-02T18:20:31 < emeb> russian bobcat love
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2017-03-02T18:21:18 < englishman> Severe weather conditions have delayed delivery. / Your delivery has been rescheduled for the next business day.
2017-03-02T18:21:24 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: yes
2017-03-02T18:21:24 < englishman> UPS are pussies
2017-03-02T18:21:36 < Laurenceb_> grab them
2017-03-02T18:21:36 < emeb> ehrmagerd - snerw
2017-03-02T18:21:44 < kakimir> there is bobcat tracks in our yard now
2017-03-02T18:21:57 < englishman> kaks i got a new riffle and scoop
2017-03-02T18:22:07 < englishman> but there will be no bobkitten murders
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2017-03-02T18:22:42 < kakimir> if bobcat doesn't want the cuddling it might bite and scrach a bit harder than domestic cat
2017-03-02T18:22:53 < emeb> just a bit
2017-03-02T18:22:54 < kakimir> especially if it's a wild one
2017-03-02T18:23:04 < emeb> have you seen those paws - big as your face.
2017-03-02T18:23:22 < englishman> big floofy killer paws
2017-03-02T18:23:36 < kakimir> it prob. catches birds from fly with them
2017-03-02T18:23:41 < kakimir> like little cats
2017-03-02T18:23:56 < emeb> or chinese drone-killing tigers
2017-03-02T18:23:57 < englishman> floofy murder http://i.imgur.com/KPDFREf.jpg
2017-03-02T18:23:59 < Thorn> is this one safer https://www.instagram.com/p/BRI_Xtslbmp/
2017-03-02T18:25:18 < emeb> there's a wildlife park near here where they send old circus animals to live out their last years.
2017-03-02T18:25:26 < kakimir> I wonder if bobcats hang around with domestic cats time to time or just eat them
2017-03-02T18:25:29 < emeb> they feed them horses
2017-03-02T18:25:33 < englishman> lol
2017-03-02T18:25:52 < emeb> it's amazing to watch a tiger snatch half a horse out of the air as they throw it over the fence.
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2017-03-02T18:26:18 < kakimir> is the horse alive?
2017-03-02T18:26:33 < emeb> nah - already killed & gutted
2017-03-02T18:26:33 < kakimir> the half horse*
2017-03-02T18:27:34 < kakimir> jpa-: does it all make sense or would you change or add something?
2017-03-02T18:33:17 < zhivko> For reading adc - As soon as I change to:  ADC_DMAACCESSMODE_DISABLED      (0x00000000U)         /*!< DMA multimode disabled: each ADC will use its own DMA channel */
2017-03-02T18:35:35 < zhivko> Oh OK - it seems it is outputing master and slave to same dma...
2017-03-02T18:38:06 < zhivko> Do I need to define config data for adc2 & adc4 besides adc1 & adc3 ?
2017-03-02T18:38:46 < zhivko> will follow later :)
2017-03-02T18:38:54 < kakimir> what happens if WFI inside interrupt?
2017-03-02T18:39:36 < Thorn> nothing until you return to thread mode
2017-03-02T18:40:04 < kakimir> okay it wont sleep inside isr?
2017-03-02T18:40:23 < kakimir> but right after returning
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2017-03-02T18:42:22 < EvaLuAtor> Hello. Can I wait-for-interrupt (__WFI()) in interrupt handler (isr)?
2017-03-02T18:42:33 < emeb> try it and see
2017-03-02T18:42:57 < kakimir> 18:38 < kakimir> what happens if WFI inside interrupt?
2017-03-02T18:42:57 < kakimir> 18:39 < Thorn> nothing until you return to thread mode
2017-03-02T18:44:16 < EvaLuAtor> hmm, I wonder what will happen in the "thread mode" :-)
2017-03-02T18:44:42 < Thorn> sleep mode (the core stops)
2017-03-02T18:44:58 < EvaLuAtor> perfect, thank you very much
2017-03-02T18:45:01 < kakimir> https://community.arm.com/iot/embedded/f/discussions/7243/wfi-instruction
2017-03-02T18:45:16 < kakimir> there is something called SLEEPONEXIT flag in some chips
2017-03-02T18:45:40 < kakimir> also
2017-03-02T18:46:38 < branjb> if you get a higher priority interrupt inside an interrupt, you return to the first interrupt when the higher priority one is done right
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2017-03-02T18:52:23 < jpa-> kakimir: this is what I log on hardfaults: https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/master/Runtime/debug.c#L87
2017-03-02T18:53:44 < jpa-> (0x2000b800 is some dso quad firmware regs you won't care about)
2017-03-02T18:53:46 < Thorn> wait no, you enter sleep on return to thread mode if SLEEPONEXIT is set. I've never tried WFI inside a haldler
2017-03-02T18:55:27 < Thorn> apparently it will sleep until a higher priority interrupt happens
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2017-03-02T19:10:01 < Thorn> branjb: yes this is correct
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2017-03-02T19:11:56 < branjb> can you play interrupt hop scotch, be inside a lower priority interrupt, higher priority interrupt fire, inside higher priority change the priorities so the lower is now higher, then fire an interrupt, etc etc.. if you repeated that forever you'd run out of stack space right?
2017-03-02T19:21:19 < Laurenceb_> lel why
2017-03-02T19:21:42 < englishman> hmm
2017-03-02T19:22:14 < englishman> i bet that would work up to prio=15
2017-03-02T19:22:26 < englishman> so 16 fired interrupts at a time
2017-03-02T19:22:35 < englishman> but could you lower an interrupt prio while already in the interrupt
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2017-03-02T19:22:55 < englishman> that is the question
2017-03-02T19:23:05 < Laurenceb_> dawg
2017-03-02T19:24:29 < dongs> ZHEJIANG DONGYA ELECTRONIC CO., LTD.
2017-03-02T19:25:44 < Steffanx> Zhedong would suite you better
2017-03-02T19:29:34 < branjb> idk, maybe i'll try later
2017-03-02T19:31:01 < dongs> jpa-: how are you pinning shit @ b800, __attribute/linker trash gcc fuckery?
2017-03-02T19:31:38 < dongs> or doyou just debug it once to find out where the shit is in memory and hope it doesnt change
2017-03-02T19:31:53 < englishman> hmm branjb i bet this could be done
2017-03-02T19:31:59 < branjb> isn't b800 where video memory was stored on i386?
2017-03-02T19:32:03 < englishman> current irq# is held in core registers
2017-03-02T19:32:20 < englishman> but priority registers are in the nvic and could be written from within the same interrupt
2017-03-02T19:32:26 < branjb> hmm
2017-03-02T19:32:36 < branjb> wonder if there is anything useful you could do with that
2017-03-02T19:35:57 < Thorn> a defcon presentation? lol
2017-03-02T19:37:08 < branjb> lol
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2017-03-02T19:48:12 < dongs> aw, snap. google chrome ran out of memory while trying to display this webpage
2017-03-02T19:51:02 < Steffanx> always wonder how you guys do that
2017-03-02T19:51:05 < Steffanx> never have that issue
2017-03-02T19:51:55 < Laurenceb_> what did you expect to happen
2017-03-02T19:52:01 < englishman> probably shitty dell laptop with 2gb ram
2017-03-02T19:52:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.rt.com/uk/379162-american-king-charles-throne/
2017-03-02T20:00:31 < gxti_> lol.
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2017-03-02T20:01:02 < gxti_> take heed and rejoice
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2017-03-02T20:05:41 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/GooWpDY.jpg
2017-03-02T20:06:17 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/xBj9vuh.jpg
2017-03-02T20:08:04 < gxti_> good shit
2017-03-02T20:08:23 < gxti_> but will the king of america go to war against the king of the britons?
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2017-03-02T20:26:54 < branjb> wow
2017-03-02T20:27:21 < branjb> within an hour of entering free scope i start getting spam txt messages
2017-03-02T20:27:24 < branjb> coincidence?
2017-03-02T20:28:17 < Steffanx> yes
2017-03-02T20:29:24 < branjb> o ok
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2017-03-02T20:44:36 < Steffanx> :P
2017-03-02T20:46:06 < englishman> Thorn: http://www.hc01.com/Public/uploads/file/HC-12%20english%20datasheets.pdf
2017-03-02T20:46:17 < englishman> there are two pads on the back, potentially swim+rst
2017-03-02T20:46:22 < englishman> so could debug there
2017-03-02T20:46:57 < Thorn> a $3 dev kit?
2017-03-02T20:47:14 < englishman> :o
2017-03-02T20:47:15 < englishman> https://statics3.seeedstudio.com/product/434Mhz%20Transceiver%20Module1km_02.jpg
2017-03-02T20:47:16 < englishman> indeed
2017-03-02T20:47:17 < englishman> they are!
2017-03-02T20:48:09 < Laurenceb_> pity its only stm8
2017-03-02T20:48:47 < Lux> englishman: nice
2017-03-02T20:49:01 < englishman> pins broken out are uart tx/rx and one gpio
2017-03-02T20:49:06 < Lux> would be cool if one could use that stuff for some low power wireless sensors
2017-03-02T20:49:06 < englishman> pff stm8 is awesom
2017-03-02T20:49:16 < Steffanx> stm8 isnt too bad indeed.
2017-03-02T20:57:26 < jpa-> dongs: IIRC it was just where the prebuilt part of the firmware stored it, so not pinned or anything, just looked with debugger
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2017-03-02T20:59:17 < englishman> At 9:37AM PST, an authorized S3 team member using an established playbook executed a command which was intended to remove a small number of servers for one of the S3 subsystems that is used by the S3 billing process. Unfortunately, one of the inputs to the command was entered incorrectly and a larger set of servers was removed than intended.
2017-03-02T20:59:24 < englishman> the lunix commandline claims another 500k victims
2017-03-02T20:59:56 < englishman> how many more people have to die until lunix is deemed a health hazard
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2017-03-02T21:04:26 < BrainDamage> more shitposting somewhat electronics related: https://0x0.st/pDN.png
2017-03-02T21:04:57 < BrainDamage> is this your p&p englishman?
2017-03-02T21:05:27 < englishman> my pasting is not nearly so brick-like
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2017-03-02T21:17:19 < Rob235> why is windows search so useless? I'm searching a folder of subfolders each with a pdf in it for pdf, .pdf, and ext:pdf and I get no results (yes I have search subfolders selected)
2017-03-02T21:17:43 < Rob235> I disabled indexing to try that too
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2017-03-02T21:28:20 < ReadError> install bash ubuntu shit
2017-03-02T21:28:22 < ReadError> updatedb
2017-03-02T21:28:27 < ReadError> locate *.pdf
2017-03-02T21:30:18 < BrainDamage> no need for updatedb, find *.pdf
2017-03-02T21:30:42 < Thorn> find . -iname '*.pdf'
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2017-03-02T21:30:51 < BrainDamage> there's a reason why windows's function is called search and the other tool is find :p
2017-03-02T21:31:17 < ReadError> eh updatedb is faster once its built
2017-03-02T21:32:45 < englishman> how about you just organize your shit
2017-03-02T21:34:45 < englishman> that would never occur to a lunix guru. as directory names are assumed to never be consistent between any two machines
2017-03-02T21:34:49 < Steffanx> with stupid ^^
2017-03-02T21:38:24 < Rob235> who me? that's what I'm trying to do, get all the pdfs out of the stupid subdirectories
2017-03-02T21:38:31 < Rob235> windows is just making it difficult
2017-03-02T21:38:37 < Laurenceb_> install bash ubuntu shit
2017-03-02T21:38:41 < Laurenceb_> accurate
2017-03-02T21:39:12 < Rob235> it was just one issue, I just used os x/smb to search/copy the folders to the root directory....
2017-03-02T21:39:15 < Rob235> but yea maybe for future shits
2017-03-02T21:39:28 < Rob235> files, not folders...
2017-03-02T21:41:38 < BrainDamage> Thorn: fwiw the . is superfluous
2017-03-02T21:42:38 < Thorn> $ find *.cc --> find: *.cc: No such file or directory
2017-03-02T21:42:44 < Thorn> $ find . -name *.cc  --> lists files
2017-03-02T21:42:48 < Thorn> just tested on osx
2017-03-02T21:43:55 < BrainDamage> weird, loonix's find doesn't need the .
2017-03-02T21:45:50 < Thorn> try find '*.pdf'
2017-03-02T21:46:35 < Thorn> you probably have the shell expanding the * and find is only finding what's in the current dir
2017-03-02T21:46:45 < Rob235> can the new fireTV stick handle 1080p x265?
2017-03-02T21:46:54 < Rob235> I was told yes
2017-03-02T21:47:07 < Rob235> I want a second opinion
2017-03-02T21:47:31 < BrainDamage> not when quoted
2017-03-02T21:47:42 < englishman> gen2 "should" have hardware 265 decoder
2017-03-02T21:48:03 < BrainDamage> find -iname '*.cpp' works just fine, I know that find -iname *.cpp has shell expansion
2017-03-02T21:48:47 < ReadError> *.cpp will do shit w/ files in the dir
2017-03-02T21:49:36 < BrainDamage> yup
2017-03-02T21:49:46 < Rob235> I want to get the firestick as a gift for my gf's parents to use kodi and my collection, they liked my gf's cousin's when we went over for christmas (moving in with them for a bit...)
2017-03-02T21:51:42 < Rob235> most of my stuff is 1080p hevc
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2017-03-02T21:57:58 < ReadError> i have a mi box
2017-03-02T21:58:07 < ReadError> it does 265 i guess
2017-03-02T21:58:39 < Rob235> looks like it, more expensive though
2017-03-02T21:59:11 < ReadError> Video Decoding: 
2017-03-02T21:59:11 < ReadError> H.265 4K2K@60fps 
2017-03-02T21:59:11 < ReadError> H.264 4K2K@30fps
2017-03-02T21:59:11 < ReadError> MPEG1/2/4,VC-1,DivX4/5,WMV3 up to1920*1080P@60fps
2017-03-02T21:59:28 < ReadError> ya but it was that or chromecast for HDR at the time
2017-03-02T21:59:33 < Rob235> yea
2017-03-02T21:59:37 < ReadError> and it did chromecast too
2017-03-02T21:59:41 < ReadError> so easy choice
2017-03-02T21:59:45 < Rob235> the new firestick looks pretty decent
2017-03-02T22:02:36 < Rob235> only thing I'm concerned about really is if the usb ports are going to be parallel or perpendicular to the screen
2017-03-02T22:03:05 < Rob235> I don't think their tv is mounted but it might be, or might just get in the way
2017-03-02T22:03:31 < Rob235> hdmi
2017-03-02T22:03:32 < Rob235> oops
2017-03-02T22:03:33 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcpqnI3gXsE
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2017-03-02T22:09:55 < Rob235> ahh it comes with a hdmi extender
2017-03-02T22:09:58 < Rob235> nice
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2017-03-02T22:49:58 < Steffanx> Super unfunny they meant, jadew
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2017-03-02T23:07:53 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi0W3ayjF1k
2017-03-02T23:09:02 < kakimir> where is my leelominai?
2017-03-02T23:09:19 < kakimir> my personal guide.. for eclipse
2017-03-02T23:10:03 < Steffanx> It seems she quit irc entirely after being banned for 5 minutes
2017-03-02T23:10:18 < kakimir> she was useful
2017-03-02T23:10:43 < kakimir> did you -b ?
2017-03-02T23:11:36 < Steffanx> "being banned for 5 minutes"
2017-03-02T23:12:10 < BrainDamage> with that trend of self victimization it was kinda bound to happen
2017-03-02T23:13:39 < BrainDamage> it's true people picked on leloo, but leloo also put quite some efforts in antagonizing others and getting isolated
2017-03-02T23:14:14 < kakimir> she is not even in msg
2017-03-02T23:14:26 < Steffanx> like i said, she quit irc entirely.
2017-03-02T23:14:31 < kakimir> she did die
2017-03-02T23:14:36 < Steffanx> Who knows.
2017-03-02T23:14:55 < BrainDamage> yes, went under a bus from despair of being banned from irc
2017-03-02T23:15:06 < kakimir> that is what happens when you get banned
2017-03-02T23:15:16 < kakimir> your life becomes worthless
2017-03-02T23:15:19 < BrainDamage> want to try?
2017-03-02T23:15:30 < kakimir> nah
2017-03-02T23:15:47 < Steffanx> Let's give it a go.
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2017-03-02T23:16:08 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!kakimir@sienimetsa.wtf] by Steffanx
2017-03-02T23:16:08 -!- kakimir was kicked from ##stm32 by Steffanx [Kleutelschool is ergens anders!]
2017-03-02T23:16:17 <@Steffanx> /msg chanserv clear ##stm32 bans
2017-03-02T23:16:19 <@Steffanx> oops
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2017-03-02T23:16:26 <@Steffanx> more like that.
2017-03-02T23:17:07 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx
2017-03-02T23:17:34 < englishman> he said no
2017-03-02T23:17:37 < englishman> and you did it anyway
2017-03-02T23:17:43 < englishman> banrapist
2017-03-02T23:17:50 < Steffanx> A ban in never voluntary
2017-03-02T23:18:46 < Steffanx> Also he said "nah". That's like a very weak "no". Almost like you aren't sure.
2017-03-02T23:19:51 < Steffanx> Come on, how else do i have to show im still childish and < 30 yo englishman?
2017-03-02T23:20:16 < BrainDamage> not coming back either, he's probably fetching a noose
2017-03-02T23:20:20 < englishman> maybe swear?
2017-03-02T23:20:28 < englishman> use some nasty curse words like heck or got dam
2017-03-02T23:20:55 < BrainDamage> crickey
2017-03-02T23:20:55 < englishman> drink juice after 5pm
2017-03-02T23:21:07 < Steffanx> Maybe he will find leeloo in banland and bring her back.
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2017-03-02T23:21:20 < englishman> stay up and read comic books in the dark after your parents put you to bed
2017-03-02T23:21:23 < Steffanx> No busses in finland kakimir?
2017-03-02T23:21:34 < kakimir> puss you invited me back
2017-03-02T23:21:51 < BrainDamage> where should we send the ambulance for the impending sleeping pill overdose?
2017-03-02T23:21:58 < Steffanx> How else are you supposed to find your way back in kakimir?
2017-03-02T23:22:32 < kakimir> that's true.. I always forget I have alzhaimers
2017-03-02T23:22:50 < kakimir> and forget everything
2017-03-02T23:25:02 < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/sNq4Wfiw linker script seems to give green light
2017-03-02T23:26:43 < kakimir> these auto generated scripts are quite well established
2017-03-02T23:34:01 < kakimir> is there even some check sum codez run at the boot?
2017-03-02T23:35:18 < kakimir> vector stack and 3 main handlers
2017-03-02T23:36:06 < kakimir> vStack I assume vector
2017-03-02T23:37:35 < kakimir> .map file what is this  .group         0x00000000        0x8 ./src/board.o
2017-03-02T23:37:48 < kakimir> 0x00000000 value?
2017-03-02T23:39:05 < kakimir> meaning flash maybe
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2017-03-03T00:04:25 < kakimir>     asm("mrs %0, msp" : "=r"(SP) : :); how to read this line?
2017-03-03T00:15:27 < Rickta59> http://www.ethernut.de/en/documents/arm-inline-asm.html kakimir 
2017-03-03T00:27:21 < kakimir> thanks
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2017-03-03T00:33:00 < englishman> what happens when horse telemetry fails http://i.imgur.com/hk8xBc2.jpg
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2017-03-03T01:01:10 < Steffanx> Dont bully our Laurenceb_ so much englishman
2017-03-03T01:02:01 < aandrew> lol
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2017-03-03T01:22:31 < kakimir> nice horse
2017-03-03T01:23:16 < kakimir> such jump
2017-03-03T01:24:11 < kakimir> msr means move to system coprocessor register from ARM register
2017-03-03T01:24:16 < kakimir> what does that mean?
2017-03-03T01:24:32 < kakimir> actual coprocessor?
2017-03-03T01:25:30 < kakimir> that makes it hard for me to just copypaste jpa-'s code because I don't have such chip that features more than one cores
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2017-03-03T01:45:52 < kakimir> oh I typoed.. it's mrs not msr
2017-03-03T01:46:46 < kakimir> well seems to not make a difference it's just inverted direction
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2017-03-03T02:20:20 < Laurenceb> sup
2017-03-03T02:23:52 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2017-03-03T02:23:54 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C57wC6lVUAE3DL7.jpg
2017-03-03T02:24:12 < Laurenceb> USAF providing close air support to Assad
2017-03-03T02:24:19 < Laurenceb> epic Trumpening
2017-03-03T02:24:33 < ReadError> uhhh emails in a gmail
2017-03-03T02:24:36 < ReadError> ...coool...
2017-03-03T02:28:43 < Laurenceb> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/143/654/6c8.jpg
2017-03-03T02:41:44 < Laurenceb> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/17/03/02/210247/researchers-store-computer-os-short-movie-on-dna
2017-03-03T02:41:50 < Laurenceb> inb4 literal pedovirus
2017-03-03T02:47:29 < Laurenceb> omg
2017-03-03T02:47:39 < Laurenceb> infect Chris Hanson with a pedovirus
2017-03-03T02:47:47 < Laurenceb> then he will have to sit down
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2017-03-03T02:53:29 < Laurenceb> someone should do this, didn't know there were dna services
2017-03-03T02:53:47 < Laurenceb> hmm I could use it to make a mini me 
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2017-03-03T03:44:21 < englishman> Laurent, what is the carbon footprint of the war in Syria, in units of teslas
2017-03-03T03:44:57 < englishman> ie, how many times worse for the environment than a Tesla is the Syrian war
2017-03-03T03:47:37 < upgrdman> interesting choice of unit
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2017-03-03T05:04:45 < jadew> the general population won't get any DNA writing machines
2017-03-03T05:04:53 < jadew> not anytime soon
2017-03-03T05:06:57 < jadew> maybe when the idiots die out and earth is inhabited by bright and decent human beings
2017-03-03T05:07:48 < jadew> just look at how unsafe computers are
2017-03-03T05:07:56 < jadew> you don't want to bring that shit into the biological world
2017-03-03T05:13:39 < jadew> related to englishman's horse post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCdnA361Y6s
2017-03-03T05:14:22 < englishman> nice find
2017-03-03T05:15:22 < dongs> horseracingkills, haha.
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2017-03-03T05:54:19 < stm32> quiet day
2017-03-03T06:01:13 < ReadError> all is gay on the fgt front
2017-03-03T06:01:37 < jadew> I'm getting enraged over buzzword driven development
2017-03-03T06:01:48 < jadew> SOLID and DRY and other similar garbage
2017-03-03T06:01:58 < ReadError> tendie driven development 
2017-03-03T06:04:08 < jadew> I have an acquaintance who got promoted to to some stupid rank in a SCRUM centric organization and he's now speaking from a high ground like he knows it all and he's telling me how his "more senior" peers don't know shit and they get annoyed when he points out these principles
2017-03-03T06:04:29 < jadew> the guy started learning programming like... 2 years ago, when he got hired, by having someone else take the test in his stead
2017-03-03T06:06:10 < jadew> I was thinking the other day, that I need a garbage filter
2017-03-03T06:06:54 < jadew> something that will automatically block anything stupid or that wastes time, like most youtube videos, most websites
2017-03-03T06:07:09 < jadew> IRC
2017-03-03T06:08:20 < jadew> imagine all your options included doing something productive
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2017-03-03T06:38:21 < PeterM> englishman what does magnetism have to do with carbon footprint?
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2017-03-03T06:41:20 < englishman> oh you
2017-03-03T06:41:56 < englishman> the Tesla is a unit of gaseous co2 released into the atmosphere
2017-03-03T06:42:47 < englishman> by way of the immensely decreased efficiency of the UK burning gas and oil to make electricity vs. the typical fleet vehicle gasoline combustion engine
2017-03-03T06:43:48 < englishman> the SI unit is $$$Tesla$$$
2017-03-03T06:43:53 < PeterM> that is a relative unit so it would be tesla*grid power
2017-03-03T06:44:12 < englishman> the one for magnetic field intensity is a simple T
2017-03-03T06:44:43 < englishman> no, as the emissions are compared as per mile per year
2017-03-03T06:45:03 < englishman> so it can be converted to tons of co2
2017-03-03T06:45:37 < englishman> and this unit can be compared to the emissions of the Syrian war per year
2017-03-03T06:45:50 < englishman> so we can see which is worse. the Tesla car, or the Syrian war
2017-03-03T06:45:54 < PeterM> what about the long term though
2017-03-03T06:46:00 < englishman> well
2017-03-03T06:46:09 < englishman> the Syrian war probably wont last longer than 5 years
2017-03-03T06:46:16 < englishman> and the Tesla car definitely won't last longer than 5 years
2017-03-03T06:46:21 < englishman> so they are comparable
2017-03-03T06:46:32 < PeterM> in hte long term, the syrian war will be over, everyone iwll be dead, so no co2 production etc and the environment will start recovering'
2017-03-03T06:46:58 < PeterM> so in hte grand scale syrian war is good for environment
2017-03-03T06:47:02 < englishman> hmm, and meanwhile all these junk tesla cars and their batteries are still collecting dust and releasing toxic chemicals for years
2017-03-03T06:47:09 < PeterM> yeah
2017-03-03T06:47:19 < englishman> well this is just a simple comparison of co2 release
2017-03-03T06:47:29 < englishman> and leaves aside other environmental effects
2017-03-03T06:47:59 < englishman> you can start adding up all the co2 released by primer ignition of 7.62x39 cartridges
2017-03-03T06:48:09 < englishman> but im sure a simple Tesla car will use far more
2017-03-03T06:48:51 < englishman> and will release far more toxic chemicals than the steel and brass of a russian surplus bullet
2017-03-03T06:49:05 < englishman> over the lifetime of its chassis and battery
2017-03-03T06:51:12 < englishman> but really i wanna see whats worse
2017-03-03T06:51:22 < englishman> 26 crude oil tanker trucks going up in flames
2017-03-03T06:51:24 < englishman> or the Tesla car
2017-03-03T06:52:14 < englishman> cuz im pretty sure if i went and blew up a pipeline that some people would be pissed off
2017-03-03T06:52:28 < englishman> meanwhile tesla dealerships are springing up all over and are far more devastating
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2017-03-03T07:08:20 < ReadError> Rep. Cedric Richmond, Democrat of Louisiana, made a sexually crude joke about a now-notorious photo of President Donald Trump's adviser Kellyanne Conway kneeling on an Oval Office sofa at the annual Washington Press Club Foundation congressional dinner on Wednesday night. 
2017-03-03T07:08:20 < ReadError> "I really just want to know what was going on there," Richmond said at the dinner. "Because she really looked kind of familiar there in that position there. But don't answer. And I don't want you to refer back to the ’90s.”
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2017-03-03T07:22:38 < stm32> i was like stm32 right
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2017-03-03T07:32:02 < jadew> ReadError, you don't make that kind of joke in private, with your friends
2017-03-03T07:32:07 < jadew> the guy is an idiot
2017-03-03T07:32:26 < jadew> (I mean if she was your friend)
2017-03-03T07:32:37 < ReadError> uh shes not well liked
2017-03-03T07:32:58 < jadew> doesn't matter, that's some evil shit to say publicly
2017-03-03T07:33:04 < jadew> like... scumbag evil
2017-03-03T07:35:38 < jadew> I never understood people that made loud inappropriate jokes about people they don't know
2017-03-03T07:35:55 < ReadError> i thought it was funny
2017-03-03T07:36:00 < jadew> I know someone like that, stopped talking to him, I don't want to be associated with that loser
2017-03-03T07:37:08 < jadew> well, yeah, could be funny to us, but speaks volumes about that guy
2017-03-03T07:40:17 < ReadError> shes just a bad person
2017-03-03T07:40:21 < ReadError> constantly lying 
2017-03-03T07:45:01 < jadew> if it's something they both engage in, then it's probably fine
2017-03-03T07:46:00 < jadew> but it's the kind of remark that says more about you than the person you're trying to offend
2017-03-03T07:51:51 < dongs> who are you cunts talkin about
2017-03-03T07:51:55 < dongs> leelooman?
2017-03-03T07:52:03 < englishman> who?
2017-03-03T07:52:20 < englishman> i think they are talking about some USA-related shit
2017-03-03T07:52:26 < englishman> that nobody cares about
2017-03-03T07:52:45 < dongs> agreed
2017-03-03T07:53:02 < dongs> definitely a time for /notstm32 ReadError,jadew
2017-03-03T07:53:24 < ReadError> sorry for interrupting all the other notstm32 related talk
2017-03-03T07:55:50 < jadew> I don't know exactly what we're talking about either
2017-03-03T07:56:13 < jadew> some guy committing career suicide
2017-03-03T07:59:15 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7W0Q5ylP/kellyan.jpg
2017-03-03T08:00:53 < jadew> wtf
2017-03-03T08:01:03 < jadew> https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/kellyann-trump.jpg?w=1100&quality=85
2017-03-03T08:01:06 < jadew> is this the real picture?
2017-03-03T08:01:28 < ReadError> https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/ad_236897095.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&strip=all
2017-03-03T08:01:50 < ReadError> https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/ad_236894616.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&strip=all
2017-03-03T08:01:51 < ReadError> that
2017-03-03T08:02:01 < jadew> ok... it's weird
2017-03-03T08:03:05 < englishman> what
2017-03-03T08:04:14 < englishman> whats the point of all those people being there
2017-03-03T08:04:25 < jadew> bukkake party
2017-03-03T08:05:04 < ReadError> http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/28/kellyanne-conway-looks-incredibly-relaxed-on-sofa-during-meeting-with-black-leaders-6477845/
2017-03-03T08:05:09 < ReadError> ya looks really strange for sure
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2017-03-03T08:06:26 < upgrdman> theres a lot of token black people in those photos
2017-03-03T08:06:51 < jadew> they're all black
2017-03-03T08:06:54 < upgrdman> did someone bitch about too many whities in there
2017-03-03T08:06:57 < jadew> except for trump and that chick
2017-03-03T08:07:06 < englishman> american politics at its peak
2017-03-03T08:07:39 < englishman> doesnt it feel funny jadew
2017-03-03T08:07:50 < englishman> little country of 20mil with its fucked up stuff
2017-03-03T08:07:54 < englishman> and yet
2017-03-03T08:08:29 < englishman> somehow it doesnt seem all that bad, in comparison
2017-03-03T08:08:42 < jadew> heh
2017-03-03T08:10:32 < jadew> I'm not sure what's going on in my country anymore, I only look at politics for the entertainment value
2017-03-03T08:10:39 < dongs> ive seen that pic before, i dont get it
2017-03-03T08:10:49 < jadew> nobody does
2017-03-03T08:10:53 < dongs> who the shit is whoreanne conway
2017-03-03T08:11:07 < dongs> and why does it even matter, in #stm32
2017-03-03T08:11:29 < jadew> it indirectly affects how efficient we are
2017-03-03T08:11:36 < dongs> she looks around 60+ why do you care
2017-03-03T08:11:42 < englishman> i guarantee, even the media company that published this photo
2017-03-03T08:11:50 < englishman> nobody can name more than 2 people in it
2017-03-03T08:12:08 < englishman> out of the ~50 ppl in it
2017-03-03T08:12:16 < englishman> american media, in 2017
2017-03-03T08:12:21 < jadew> maybe they're from the previous administration?
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2017-03-03T08:12:36 < englishman> haha right, like the democrats would hire black people
2017-03-03T08:12:48 < jadew> isn't that Michelle Obama next to Trump?
2017-03-03T08:13:02 < dongs> any STM32CUBE news?
2017-03-03T08:13:08 < englishman> yes, it sucks
2017-03-03T08:13:15 < englishman> clive1 verified
2017-03-03T08:13:24 < dongs> when will LL -libs be complete for all the current families
2017-03-03T08:13:31 < englishman> did you know that stm8 costs negative dollars now
2017-03-03T08:13:41 < jadew> haha
2017-03-03T08:13:43 < dongs> cuz of the si breakouts?
2017-03-03T08:13:48 < englishman> yes
2017-03-03T08:13:55 < dongs> thats coz thorn's time is worthless
2017-03-03T08:13:55 < englishman> literally $1 less with stm8
2017-03-03T08:14:00 < englishman> pff
2017-03-03T08:14:01 < dongs> he spent entire day looking for them
2017-03-03T08:14:06 < englishman> swim+rst are on the back
2017-03-03T08:14:10 < englishman> this shit is on amazon.ca
2017-03-03T08:14:13 < englishman> for cheap
2017-03-03T08:14:16 < dongs> haha
2017-03-03T08:14:25 < englishman> so you know its fucking ***available***
2017-03-03T08:14:28 < Jak_o_Shadows> What's the advantage of the STM8s?
2017-03-03T08:14:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> Lower power?
2017-03-03T08:14:34 < dongs> its almost like stm32
2017-03-03T08:14:37 < dongs> and you can actualyl debug it
2017-03-03T08:14:38 < englishman> stm8 is amazing
2017-03-03T08:14:50 < dongs> cue in stn8vsavr.png
2017-03-03T08:14:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> What's the difference in debugging?
2017-03-03T08:14:58 < englishman> hahaha
2017-03-03T08:15:02 < englishman> difference?
2017-03-03T08:15:03 < englishman> lol
2017-03-03T08:15:04 < englishman> first
2017-03-03T08:15:08 < dongs> you can actualyl DO it
2017-03-03T08:15:09 < dongs> ^
2017-03-03T08:15:12 < englishman> explain what "debugging" avr has
2017-03-03T08:15:23 < dongs> one-wire if you pay $300 for AVR-ICE
2017-03-03T08:15:29 < dongs> (not sure if it works?
2017-03-03T08:15:31 < dongs> er Debugwire shit
2017-03-03T08:15:38 < englishman> yea no
2017-03-03T08:15:40 < englishman> that never work
2017-03-03T08:15:41 < englishman> ed
2017-03-03T08:15:45 < jadew> it does work
2017-03-03T08:15:55 < jadew> and it's like $80 I think?
2017-03-03T08:15:57 < jadew> I have one
2017-03-03T08:16:10 < dongs> you must be thinking avr dra-gone
2017-03-03T08:16:29 < jadew> no, I have that ICE thing, I needed it to program some SAM devices
2017-03-03T08:16:36 < englishman> well swim works fine with my $22CDN stdink
2017-03-03T08:16:46 < jadew> http://www.atmel.com/tools/atatmel-ice.aspx
2017-03-03T08:16:53 < englishman> and pro closedsores free compiler+ide
2017-03-03T08:17:36 < englishman> stm8 is really pretty nice
2017-03-03T08:18:44 < dongs> yeah like, i wonder how seamless avr studio + debugwire debugging really is
2017-03-03T08:18:48 < dongs> i dont think anyone actually uses that combo
2017-03-03T08:19:42 < upgrdman> whats swim for
2017-03-03T08:19:50 < Jak_o_Shadows> no, no, why would I use a stm8 when I can use a stm32f103c8t6 for $3 from china?
2017-03-03T08:19:58 < englishman> this was done with hardware timers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViMucUtLJo
2017-03-03T08:20:00 < jadew> dongs, I did, it's like debugging on windows
2017-03-03T08:20:03 < englishman> on stm8s105
2017-03-03T08:20:12 < dongs> jadew: can you inspect ram and shit when paused/running?
2017-03-03T08:20:15 < jadew> yeah
2017-03-03T08:20:17 < dongs> k
2017-03-03T08:20:23 < englishman> 2-voice midi parser
2017-03-03T08:20:44 < englishman> like 800b compiled
2017-03-03T08:22:05 < englishman> Jak_o_Shadows: because $3 gets you an stm8+si4463 from china
2017-03-03T08:22:21 < jadew> dongs, I think that on the small devices it works by directly running instructions on the MCU
2017-03-03T08:23:20 < jadew> so if you need to access something, it probably just runs a couple of instructions to fetch that thing
2017-03-03T08:24:39 < dongs> ..
2017-03-03T08:24:45 < dongs> that sounds slow and retarded
2017-03-03T08:25:06 < jadew> I don't remember how fast it is, but it seems like a good/cheap solution for tiny chips
2017-03-03T08:25:42 < emeb_mac> sounds like something that PIC would do
2017-03-03T08:26:03 < englishman> well if youre talking cheap, stm8 is 1/4 price of the cheapest avr
2017-03-03T08:26:17 < jadew> I should check them out
2017-03-03T08:27:10 < englishman> and dont forget this pen density vs. smallest avr http://i.imgur.com/KLqh5SO.png
2017-03-03T08:27:14 < englishman> err
2017-03-03T08:27:17 < englishman> yea
2017-03-03T08:27:26 < englishman> no contest
2017-03-03T08:27:43 < jadew> yeah, that's nice
2017-03-03T08:28:09 < dongs> gotat bookmark this as avr vs stm8 somewhere
2017-03-03T08:28:33 < englishman> just highlight me
2017-03-03T08:28:36 < englishman> il deliver
2017-03-03T08:30:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> So what, you can get stm8's for somehwre between 70C and $1. A breakout board for $1.25 . I can get a f103 for $3.34 Hmm. I can see that it makes sense in any sort of decent quantity
2017-03-03T08:30:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> Even just 10
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2017-03-03T08:31:55 < englishman> ive paid .24 for stm8 and 1.02 for a fucking multiplexer in a larger package with less pins
2017-03-03T08:32:37 < englishman> 3.34 for f103c8t6 is expensive tho
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2017-03-03T09:02:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> aye, I didn't look too hard. I seem to remember paying a tad less
2017-03-03T09:03:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> That was AUD though, so it's about 75:100 at the moment?
2017-03-03T09:03:20 < englishman> same as beaverbux
2017-03-03T09:06:08 < dongs> funnymoney
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2017-03-03T09:28:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> beaverbux. GOod name
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2017-03-03T09:46:16 < upgrdman_> holy shit, neat. adafruit noticed me   https://blog.adafruit.com/2017/02/13/advanced-arduino-telemetry-and-data-visualization-arduinomonday/
2017-03-03T09:49:38 < Steffanx> Doomed.
2017-03-03T09:51:59 < ohsix> hm
2017-03-03T09:52:20 < ohsix> i've forgotten to detach a bunch the last few weeks
2017-03-03T10:01:46 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-03T10:03:10 < ohsix> upgrdman_: dem viewz
2017-03-03T10:03:16 < ohsix> much effect?
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2017-03-03T10:03:55 < ohsix> well then
2017-03-03T10:12:07 < dongs> lmao
2017-03-03T10:12:12 < dongs> that sweet jewtube cash
2017-03-03T10:12:15 < dongs> how many hits per s econd
2017-03-03T10:13:34 < dongs> oh that was old
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2017-03-03T10:33:30 < boB_K7IQ> Great stuff upgrdman !   On Adafruit
2017-03-03T10:33:30 < dongs> is tehre a real name for that "aviation connector" that shows up on chiansites as 'GX16'
2017-03-03T10:33:38 < dongs> what is it a clone of
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2017-03-03T10:34:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> Is there a site where it has lots of connectors, and you can visually filter them?
2017-03-03T10:34:34 < dongs> yeah aliexpress
2017-03-03T10:34:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> Like, maybe #pins range, then maybe just visually go down
2017-03-03T10:34:49 < Jak_o_Shadows> aliexpress has multiples
2017-03-03T10:34:55 < dongs> http://dlmlasers.com/laser-systems/silver-aviation-plug-4-pin-16mm-gx16-4-metal-male-female-panel-connector-detail.pdf?tmpl=component
2017-03-03T10:35:00 < dongs> nice datasheet god damn
2017-03-03T10:35:04 < dongs> all i can find is grainy chink jpegs
2017-03-03T10:35:09 < dongs> and i cant find who teh fuck they cloned it from
2017-03-03T10:36:43 < dongs> http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv&DocNm=82021_CPC_sections1-5&DocType=CS&DocLang=EN wooh i want the one on like page 31
2017-03-03T10:36:46 < dongs> huhuhu
2017-03-03T10:38:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> Looks a tad like this: http://au.mouser.com/new/amphenolaerospace/amphenol-bantam-micro-bayonet-connector/
2017-03-03T10:38:55 < dongs> rite, i think its some common maker that china cloned from and renamed
2017-03-03T10:39:02 < dongs> im not getting any hits on GX16 other than chink shit tho
2017-03-03T10:39:09 < dongs> and some unrelated DC contactor maker (gigavac)
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2017-03-03T10:40:04 < dongs> haha sparkfun has it cloned too
2017-03-03T10:40:08 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11475
2017-03-03T10:40:19 < dongs> http://cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Prototyping/GX16.jpg "datasheet"
2017-03-03T10:42:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> Sparkfun datasheets are rubbish. On the ther hand, at least there's SOME form of drawings
2017-03-03T10:42:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> Have you seen 3D printed stuff? No drawings, ever
2017-03-03T10:42:34 < dongs> well tbh i can barely even read the fucking dinmensions on thaT "datasheet"
2017-03-03T10:43:32 < dongs> https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i3/738263294/T2phN6Xr0XXXXXXXXX-738263294.jpg
2017-03-03T10:43:35 < dongs> slighly better
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2017-03-03T12:00:10 < dongs> The AMD Ryzen 7: plenty of power, but underwhelming gaming performance
2017-03-03T12:00:19 < dongs> the only segment that could have even remotely gave a shit about AMD is left behind again
2017-03-03T12:00:22 < dongs> WAY2GO
2017-03-03T12:01:57 < ReadError> its gay ass AMD
2017-03-03T12:02:00 < ReadError> they can fuck right off
2017-03-03T12:02:15 < ReadError> #NotInMyHouse
2017-03-03T12:02:29 < Jak_o_Shadows> I still believe AMD could capture teh low end laptop market
2017-03-03T12:02:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> If it werent' for marketing
2017-03-03T12:02:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> I mean, seriously, the pentiums? Celerons?
2017-03-03T12:02:53 < ReadError> they havent had anything worth a shit since the athlonxp
2017-03-03T12:02:58 < ReadError> atleast better than intels offering
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2017-03-03T12:31:28 < Steffanx> Those new pentiums arent much worse than the lower segmented i3s Jak_o_Shadows 
2017-03-03T12:31:38 < Steffanx> And half the price
2017-03-03T12:32:21 < Steffanx> G4560 vs i3-6100 for example
2017-03-03T12:32:31 < Steffanx> Both dual core + HT
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2017-03-03T12:42:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> That's kinda my point. THe i3's are the same as the pentiums.
2017-03-03T12:42:50 < Jak_o_Shadows> Also, I suspect I'm looking a tad lower in the market.
2017-03-03T12:43:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> But when I last looked, a new intel pentium was only 5-10% better than an old amd dual core
2017-03-03T12:44:51 < ohsix> i was watching the reaction wheel couch thing again the other day
2017-03-03T12:44:58 < ohsix> the guy uses hub motors for e-bikes as reaction wheels
2017-03-03T12:45:05 < ohsix> hadn't realized it before
2017-03-03T12:47:45 < Steffanx> Cant you rename to MrRandom.. Damn you seem to be random ohsix
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2017-03-03T12:57:15 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Love2Code/status/837429653237190656
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2017-03-03T12:59:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> Oh, it's that person who did stuff with D
2017-03-03T13:00:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> Or is that someone else
2017-03-03T13:02:41 < ohsix> dunno, follow for content
2017-03-03T13:05:51 < dongs> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bf1_1488251805
2017-03-03T13:05:54 < dongs> lol retards
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2017-03-03T13:19:22 < ohsix> englishman: are you that chipburn person on yotub?
2017-03-03T13:20:19 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: blue stm32f103 boards are 1.70$ usd on aliexpress
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2017-03-03T13:22:59 < ohsix> aliexpress is weird, some item count breaks add shipping automatically when shipping is otherwise free
2017-03-03T13:23:53 < ohsix> like the blue boards, if you set the quantity to 3, it adds shipping charges, i didn't find any listing that was free for over 2. there are listings where it is really variable tho
2017-03-03T13:24:35 < ohsix> also loool what is the deal with their ordering process, about a third of the time it will throw up an error saying something was missing information. the purchase happens, the payment doesn't
2017-03-03T13:24:51 < ohsix> had to cancel a bunch of duplicate orders cuz i was just retrying
2017-03-03T13:26:39 < Jak_o_Shadows> Thanks ohsix
2017-03-03T13:29:46 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgur.com/rtOgj0x.gif
2017-03-03T13:29:48 < ohsix> i found a lot of stuff less than a dollar, much less
2017-03-03T13:30:13 < ohsix> lower bound on ebay is 75 cents usd or something, depending on which currency (.74usd = 1 dollar cad)
2017-03-03T13:30:25 < ohsix> how they can send a single thing for 30 cents, i really do not know
2017-03-03T13:31:01 < ohsix> hurr geoduck
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2017-03-03T13:45:06 < ohsix> http://www.ti.com/tool/HET_IDE here's a thing about the timer stuff zyp mentioned, they're called 'high end timers' lul
2017-03-03T13:50:51 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/xvIk39rkkiU?t=41
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2017-03-03T13:54:54 < zyp> ohsix, the one I were looking at is N2HET
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2017-03-03T13:55:50 < zyp> it looks like pretty neat stuff
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2017-03-03T13:57:09 < zyp> got 96-bit instructions, where a 32-bit part of that is a data field
2017-03-03T13:58:46 < zyp> and the N2HET memory is memory mapped, so your output compare value for a given channel becomes the data-field of the compare instruction acting on that pin
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2017-03-03T13:59:34 < dongs> is this the zwave shit or some new ohsix-induced autism
2017-03-03T13:59:39 < zyp> upper 25 bits are handled in the compare instruction and the lower 7 bits is handed to a hardware "high resolution block" for that pin
2017-03-03T13:59:48 < zyp> dongs, neither, workstuff
2017-03-03T14:00:02 < dongs> oh this is the TI's hardware timers
2017-03-03T14:00:07 < zyp> yeah
2017-03-03T14:00:46 < dongs> it wasn't complex enough, lets make a whole dedicated cpu for timers
2017-03-03T14:01:03 < zyp> it seems like I'll be working with TI RM stuff, so I'm researching that
2017-03-03T14:01:03 < dongs> just deleted justcause3 after playing for 5 mins
2017-03-03T14:01:07 < dongs> no savegames, lul
2017-03-03T14:01:11 < dongs> off to the oven it goes
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2017-03-03T14:01:44 < zyp> anyway, the timer stuff seems kinda neat
2017-03-03T14:02:38 < zyp> I bet you could configure it so that you can DMA raw rgb values into it and it'll take care of turning it into ws2812b waveforms, no cpu preformatting needed
2017-03-03T14:02:46 < dongs> cool
2017-03-03T14:02:56 < zyp> not that I'll be doing that, but it seems flexible enough to
2017-03-03T14:03:02 < zyp> (got bitshift instructions and stuff)
2017-03-03T14:03:15 < dongs> if your propduct doesn't have WS2812 in 2017, its doomed to fail
2017-03-03T14:03:32 < zyp> haha
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2017-03-03T14:17:18 < sync_> zyp: yeah the TI timers are quite cool
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2017-03-03T14:24:04 < ohsix> zyp: yaword, was just dropping it, expected to be asleep shortly after
2017-03-03T14:24:22 < ohsix> the pru's on the sitara stuff are in a similar problem domain, also neat
2017-03-03T14:25:05 < ohsix> i was hoping the het timers were ARM ip
2017-03-03T14:28:18 < zyp> haha, wtf
2017-03-03T14:28:26 < zyp> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spnu566a/spnu566a.pdf <- page 12
2017-03-03T14:28:43 < zyp> so they put a "MIPI ETM Header" on the board, in addition to an old style 20-pin ARM JTAG
2017-03-03T14:28:58 < zyp> but the only signals on the ETM header is JTAG, rest is NC
2017-03-03T14:29:02 < zyp> wtf is the point
2017-03-03T14:29:53 < dongs> lul
2017-03-03T14:30:03 < dongs> maybe it used t o be a display connector (mipi) and they reused it 
2017-03-03T14:30:06 < dongs> looks dumb as shit tho
2017-03-03T14:30:30 < zyp> nah, I assume it's some MIPI standard debugging pinout
2017-03-03T14:30:31 < jpa-> https://twitter.com/mcwm/status/837003695330115590
2017-03-03T14:30:42 < zyp> but idk why they put that and don't have any ETM lines hooked up
2017-03-03T14:30:58 < zyp> yup
2017-03-03T14:30:59 < zyp> http://mipi.org/sites/default/files/mipi_TDC_recommendation_v1_10_00.pdf
2017-03-03T14:31:45 < dongs> 40 bits of trace data?
2017-03-03T14:31:57 < dongs> and: why the fuck does mipi want to standardtize yet another retarded debug connector
2017-03-03T14:32:01 < dongs> shouldn't they worry about LCD panels
2017-03-03T14:32:25 < zyp> MIPI does all sorts of shit
2017-03-03T14:33:00 < zyp> the first stuff I worked on at STE used MIPI HSI between app soc and 3G modem
2017-03-03T14:34:06 < zyp> so they have a lot more than just CSI and DSI
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2017-03-03T14:47:43 < kakimir> https://software.nasa.gov/ nasa has released a lot of it's software for free
2017-03-03T14:48:37 < dongs> does it inclue a KSP license
2017-03-03T14:50:18 < kakimir> no
2017-03-03T14:53:39 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECBTjZPoki8 a triple-stacked pop, cool
2017-03-03T14:53:48 < dongs> i wonder what weird-ass chips are those
2017-03-03T14:57:57 < zyp> more memory? flash?
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2017-03-03T15:17:51 < karlp> anyone ever used anything like this? http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/SR086
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2017-03-03T15:18:47 < Ecco> dongs: Thanks for your recommendation the other day
2017-03-03T15:18:58 < Ecco> I got that TPS chip from Ti, works like a charm
2017-03-03T15:18:59 < dongs> what'd i recommend? that USB switch thing?
2017-03-03T15:19:00 < Ecco> thanks a lot!
2017-03-03T15:19:00 < dongs> cool
2017-03-03T15:19:03 < Ecco> Yeah, thanks :)
2017-03-03T15:19:24 < dongs> karlp: so basically a one-chip solution to get 3.3V out of AC line?
2017-03-03T15:19:26 < Ecco> They even had an evaluation board so I didn't have to bother building my own PCB
2017-03-03T15:19:30 < dongs> without coils/aids?
2017-03-03T15:20:29 < dongs> looks pretty cool if youre making a spy device to mount inside AC socket
2017-03-03T15:20:50 < dongs> what are those fuse numbers? like 6x30 5x50 etc
2017-03-03T15:21:17 < karlp> yeah, just super hceap non-isolated regulators
2017-03-03T15:21:26 < karlp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/monolithic-power-systems-inc/MP100LGN/1589-1355-ND/5299112 is even simpler.
2017-03-03T15:21:39 < karlp> the selling point is the "no high voltage caps"
2017-03-03T15:22:07 < karlp> this "offline inductorless" was a new name for me.
2017-03-03T15:22:14 < karlp> still not sure what makes it "offline" but whatever.
2017-03-03T15:23:02 < dongs> "off line", you hang it off the AC line
2017-03-03T15:24:10 < dongs> how much current can that MPS thing make
2017-03-03T15:24:24 < dongs> will youmake a raspberrypi zero shield that plugs it direclty into AC?
2017-03-03T15:24:32 < dongs> eliminate the makers
2017-03-03T15:30:46 < PaulFertser> dongs: does Keil's linker silently merge same-name global symbols by default? GNU ld certainly does, and --warn-common is not default, so if you forget to add 'static', you're screwed.
2017-03-03T15:31:54 < dongs> PaulFertser: no it does not
2017-03-03T15:31:59 < dongs> i remember raging about this w/gcc
2017-03-03T15:32:01 < dongs> a while ago
2017-03-03T15:32:15 < PaulFertser> Good thing.
2017-03-03T15:33:30 < dongs> nice, china phoenix clones datasheet exactly matches 3d model
2017-03-03T15:33:57 < PaulFertser> You can also blame Unix for that because "Unix linkers allow this somewhat sloppy practice" is the rationale behind not warning by default.
2017-03-03T15:37:12 < jpa-> isn't that behaviour heavily (ab)used in c++?
2017-03-03T15:42:47 < PaulFertser> I wonder how.
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2017-03-03T15:59:14 < Ecco> Guys, do you usually mask vias?
2017-03-03T15:59:23 < Ecco> I ordered the same PCB from 2 cheap chinese fabs
2017-03-03T15:59:34 < Ecco> one of them left holes for the vias on the solder mask
2017-03-03T15:59:45 < Ecco> the other did not and put solder mask over all vias
2017-03-03T15:59:45 < qyx> yes
2017-03-03T16:00:12 < Ecco> It would seem logical to actually put solder mask on the vias, but by default Altium doesn't mask the vias
2017-03-03T16:00:28 < Ecco> So I'm wondering what's the "best" option
2017-03-03T16:00:30 < qyx> it is logical to manufacture what you have requested
2017-03-03T16:00:45 < qyx> so one of them was wrong if you used the same gerber data
2017-03-03T16:01:00 < Ecco> Yeah definitely, but that's not really the issue
2017-03-03T16:01:13 < Ecco> in my case one of them was wrong since I asked for non-masked vias
2017-03-03T16:01:23 < Ecco> but the question is "should I?"
2017-03-03T16:01:52 < Ecco> (should I ask for the solder mask to be removed over vias)
2017-03-03T16:02:07 < qyx> I usually keep the vias covered with mask
2017-03-03T16:02:20 < Ecco> ok
2017-03-03T16:02:21 < qyx> one of the arguments against that is that you can't probe vias
2017-03-03T16:02:26 < Ecco> I see
2017-03-03T16:02:38 < Ecco> So good for debugging, but rather dangerous for mass production
2017-03-03T16:02:44 < ReadError> also the thickness of the mask
2017-03-03T16:02:54 < Ecco> You could always scratch the mask out though
2017-03-03T16:02:54 < ReadError> will play a big factor in how that comes out
2017-03-03T16:03:01 < Ecco> oh, ok
2017-03-03T16:03:07 < ReadError> but china aint gonna modify their shit to ur spec 
2017-03-03T16:03:11 < Ecco> Definitely
2017-03-03T16:03:18 < ReadError> unless you are doing a bigger order
2017-03-03T16:03:18 < Ecco> I've yet to see a fab house that even asked me for that
2017-03-03T16:03:30 < ReadError> my guy i can request a thicker mask which tents the vias
2017-03-03T16:03:46 < Ecco> tents = somehow cover even the holes?
2017-03-03T16:04:06 < Ecco> Well here it's pretty much what happened, since the via holes were very small
2017-03-03T16:04:35 < qyx> when I use 0.3mm drilling thats usually the case
2017-03-03T16:04:53 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-03-03T16:04:59 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/NHOBj9I.png
2017-03-03T16:05:06 < ReadError> see thats a thinner one
2017-03-03T16:05:12 < Ecco> I see
2017-03-03T16:05:19 < Ecco> But those via holes seem huge
2017-03-03T16:05:27 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/UidjOk6.png
2017-03-03T16:05:44 < ReadError> erm no, not really
2017-03-03T16:05:59 < Ecco> ok, so the traces are small and the photo is very much zoomed in
2017-03-03T16:05:59 < qyx> huge?
2017-03-03T16:06:10 < qyx> the part on the right is probably sot23-6
2017-03-03T16:06:12 < Ecco> SOT-23 on the top right?
2017-03-03T16:06:13 < Ecco> ok
2017-03-03T16:06:28 < Ecco> -5 actually :-p
2017-03-03T16:06:32 < qyx> 23-5
2017-03-03T16:06:34 < qyx> yep
2017-03-03T16:06:40 < qyx> count blindness
2017-03-03T16:06:41 < Ecco> ok I see
2017-03-03T16:06:42 < qyx> no autism
2017-03-03T16:06:44 < Ecco> ^^
2017-03-03T16:06:57 < ReadError> Ecco: anyways, thats with them covered in altium
2017-03-03T16:07:10 < Ecco> Allright
2017-03-03T16:07:11 < Ecco> Thanks
2017-03-03T16:07:19 < Ecco> qyx: How did you take those pictures?
2017-03-03T16:07:42 < qyx> they are not mine
2017-03-03T16:07:48 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-03-03T16:07:51 < qyx> ReadError: ^
2017-03-03T16:08:09 < ReadError> shitty usb scope
2017-03-03T16:08:15 < ReadError> and flashlight
2017-03-03T16:09:17 < Ecco> ok
2017-03-03T16:09:25 < Ecco> Nice :)
2017-03-03T16:09:51 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/bsz4P5U.gif
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2017-03-03T16:13:10 < karlp> ReadError: nice :)
2017-03-03T16:13:52 < dongs> zyp, did you say if I define a cutout in .pcblib it automatically makes it into the board?
2017-03-03T16:14:44 < karlp> ReadError: did you see this one? http://imgur.com/Wg1USRl  (zoom in for bonus)
2017-03-03T16:15:19 < ReadError> everyone melting?
2017-03-03T16:15:45 < karlp> yar
2017-03-03T16:17:03 < ReadError> how did you do that/
2017-03-03T16:18:19 < zyp> dongs, I might have said that, yes, I don't remember if I tested or read it
2017-03-03T16:18:23 < dongs> hm
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2017-03-03T16:18:34 < dongs> i made a top llayer cutout on .pcblib and its doin fuckall
2017-03-03T16:19:15 < dongs> hm its coming uop as poly pour cutout
2017-03-03T16:19:32 < dongs> ah i had to change its type to board cutout
2017-03-03T16:19:46 < dongs> score
2017-03-03T16:28:06 < karlp> ReadError: not mine, just thought of it when I saw your cat
2017-03-03T16:28:40 < karlp> hrm, I wonder how well built these are: https://www.elecrow.com/5v-2a-dual-usb-port-wall-charger-adapter-eu-plug-socket-power-outlet-panel.html
2017-03-03T16:39:40 < Laurenceb_> hi trolls
2017-03-03T16:42:56 < ReadError> diagnosis: "pre faggot disease"
2017-03-03T16:45:15 < englishman> $AMD down to $13.26 on revelations that AMD still sucks
2017-03-03T16:45:39 < englishman> hopfully it goes back to $2 like it was a year ago
2017-03-03T16:46:37 < dongs> karlp: as much as they cost, clearly
2017-03-03T16:46:43 < zyp> englishman, are you shorting?
2017-03-03T16:46:49 < englishman> im out
2017-03-03T16:47:11 < englishman> though long calls are probably a winner
2017-03-03T16:47:38 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnYG_h2UEAMO3kp.jpg i couldnt find a vesa mount
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2017-03-03T16:48:55 < dongs> http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/02/shares-of-advanced-micro-devices-fall-after-new-cpu-disappoints-with-gaming-performance-.html
2017-03-03T16:48:58 < dongs> haha
2017-03-03T16:52:12 < englishman> anyone who expected anything else
2017-03-03T16:52:15 < englishman> is, well
2017-03-03T16:52:20 < englishman> i have no words
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2017-03-03T17:40:59 < Steffanx> Lol. Amd hater in town?
2017-03-03T17:41:54 < Steffanx> So how does it feel you now know you are older than me englishman ?
2017-03-03T17:42:16 < englishman> I'm going to need to see some identification
2017-03-03T17:42:19 < englishman> I don't believe it
2017-03-03T17:42:41 < Steffanx> Awh
2017-03-03T17:43:24 < dongs> lorf
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2017-03-03T17:44:28 < Steffanx> Ill send my age in the amount of stroopwafels. Stroopwafels dont lie.
2017-03-03T17:44:50 < Steffanx> Or better the other way around
2017-03-03T17:45:14 < Laurenceb_> how old?
2017-03-03T17:45:57 < dongs> older than Laurenceb_'s mom
2017-03-03T17:46:13 < Laurenceb_> likely
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2017-03-03T17:54:00 < englishman> i need more than 55 stroopwafel tho
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2017-03-03T18:00:18 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx is 55?
2017-03-03T18:02:00 < Laurenceb_> would explain why he is no fun
2017-03-03T18:12:11 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/hefy7lE.gifv
2017-03-03T18:14:55 < dongs> RGB STOCK COOLER BRO
2017-03-03T18:15:14 < Laurenceb_> image connot be displayed cuz errorz
2017-03-03T18:17:15 < englishman> time to upgrade from safari bro
2017-03-03T18:17:26 < karlp> god wurth has the worst part numbers. "744232222"
2017-03-03T18:17:33 < englishman> snapchat lost $500m last year and instagram didnt even clone them until november
2017-03-03T18:17:57 < Laurenceb_> I dont know what either of those things are
2017-03-03T18:18:09 < Laurenceb_> prob piss poor irc clonez amirite
2017-03-03T18:18:34 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgjar.co/jar/Sx-qZtfW_0OzvWodQ_Py3A.jpg
2017-03-03T18:18:56 < dongs> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4278524/Man-dies-six-ton-pile-porn-magazines.html RIP zyp
2017-03-03T18:19:13 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-03-03T18:19:15 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/SparklingMisguidedAvocet
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2017-03-03T18:19:46 < dongs> Laurenceb_: thats some next-gen level of lazy
2017-03-03T18:20:15 < dongs> also i see jappu text
2017-03-03T18:37:50 < zyp> that's obviously jap architecture too
2017-03-03T18:38:37 < zyp> narrow steep stairs like that looks japanese to me at least
2017-03-03T18:40:11 < BrainDamage> do japs love to stumble on the stairs early morning / late night drunk?
2017-03-03T18:43:37 < englishman> does ragepberripi have adc
2017-03-03T18:43:46 < englishman> seems no
2017-03-03T18:45:34 < Laurenceb_> that would be useful
2017-03-03T18:45:39 < Laurenceb_> why would we have that
2017-03-03T18:45:45 < englishman> right.
2017-03-03T18:46:06  * Laurenceb_ wonders how long before pi turns up in isis weapons
2017-03-03T18:46:48 < Laurenceb_> prob only a matter of time
2017-03-03T18:47:05 < Laurenceb_> then it will have done something useful for once /s
2017-03-03T18:47:06 < BrainDamage> I'd bet arduinos are alredy used in the timers & triggers
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2017-03-03T18:47:36 < BrainDamage> for once bugs will be really a matter of life and death
2017-03-03T18:47:47 < englishman> Laurenceb_: did you see my syria vs question
2017-03-03T18:47:51 < englishman> can you get me the result plz
2017-03-03T18:47:53 < Laurenceb_> well with pi zero + 2 servos + camera + copypasta target tracking they could make a low cost guided bomb
2017-03-03T18:47:59 < englishman> *syria vs tesla
2017-03-03T18:48:08 < Laurenceb_> not that I would know anything of such things...
2017-03-03T18:49:13 < Laurenceb_> ask again?
2017-03-03T18:49:25 < Laurenceb_> that doesnt even make sense
2017-03-03T18:50:39 < englishman> i want to know which is worse for the environment
2017-03-03T18:50:43 < englishman> the war in syria
2017-03-03T18:50:44 < englishman> or Tesla
2017-03-03T18:50:47 < Laurenceb_> hahaha
2017-03-03T18:50:50 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-03-03T18:55:55 < englishman> dongs https://i.imgur.com/lZSY8IG.gifv
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2017-03-03T21:03:16 < Thorn> what does VDB stand for in motor capacitors specs? such as Capacitor  (µF/VDB) = 2/450
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2017-03-03T22:01:12 < tpw_rules> Thorn: probably volts dielectric breakdown or something?
2017-03-03T22:01:25 < tpw_rules> 2µF 450V is a typical motor capacitor rating
2017-03-03T22:01:29 < tpw_rules> for a smaller one
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2017-03-03T22:13:23 < Thorn> sounds reasonable but google hasn't found me any evidence to confirm it
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2017-03-03T22:19:28 < englishman> volts dc bias?
2017-03-03T22:19:33 < englishman> for derating
2017-03-03T22:19:46 < englishman> thats my guess
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2017-03-04T00:24:07 < upgrdman> anyone know if a thermostat rated for "15A @ 120VAC, 10A @ 240VAC" would be fine with 24V DC 200mA ?
2017-03-04T00:24:21 < upgrdman> theres no DC rating, but the current is so low that i feel like i'd be fine
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2017-03-04T00:48:03 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaWsxTUdrMGQwOWc/view?usp=sharing for powder I believe there is only one machine
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2017-03-04T00:48:39 < kakimir> it's a game changer
2017-03-04T00:50:28 < kakimir> track kit on 250 2stroke ktm enduro bike
2017-03-04T00:52:01 < kakimir> sure some +400 4stroke could do but just the... weight or lack of it in this case is just insane
2017-03-04T00:53:02 < kakimir> like riding bicycle but with 50hp
2017-03-04T00:53:58 < kakimir> tilt it and it turns smoothly like bike
2017-03-04T00:55:47 < kakimir> It's a bit disturbing that my debug machine did reboot without any user action
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2017-03-04T01:23:14 < kakimir> oh it's in boot loop
2017-03-04T01:24:10 < kakimir> shit gave in
2017-03-04T01:24:50 < Thorn> anyone used https://www.limpkin.fr/public/HB100/HB100_Microwave_Sensor_Module_Datasheet.pdf  or https://www.elecrow.com/wiki/index.php?title=Crowtail-_Microwave_sensor ?
2017-03-04T01:26:13 < Thorn> I want to put it under stairsteps to detect a person walking over it, is it suitable
2017-03-04T01:27:35 < kakimir> I have one
2017-03-04T01:27:56 < kakimir> couldn't quite figure it out
2017-03-04T01:28:05 < kakimir> signal was mess
2017-03-04T01:39:36 < kakimir> tell me if you figure it out
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2017-03-04T01:40:31 < Laurenceb> C R A P I L L A R Y  R E F I L L
2017-03-04T01:40:48 < kakimir> I have that HB100 I believe it requires highers speed object to make sensible signal
2017-03-04T01:42:05 < kakimir> scam factory
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2017-03-04T01:50:14 < kakimir> w0rk in 4h
2017-03-04T01:50:15 < Laurenceb> this is interesting
2017-03-04T01:50:17 < Laurenceb> http://daskalakispiros.com/files/daskalakis_mtt_2015.pdf
2017-03-04T01:50:20 < Laurenceb> wtf kakimir
2017-03-04T01:50:37 < Laurenceb> crazy start time?
2017-03-04T01:50:48 < Laurenceb> seems overkill to use active sensors tho
2017-03-04T01:50:59 < Laurenceb> surely radar would work better
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2017-03-04T01:54:15 < Laurenceb> or even just SMOS
2017-03-04T01:54:23 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_Moisture_and_Ocean_Salinity
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2017-03-04T02:06:41 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-04T02:06:47 < kakimir> fml.
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2017-03-04T02:07:08 < kakimir> sleep <
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2017-03-04T02:29:42 < englishman> stm32.pro
2017-03-04T02:30:45  * Laurenceb notices no soil moisture data from SMOS
2017-03-04T02:30:56 < Laurenceb> coincidence??
2017-03-04T02:31:12  * Laurenceb worked on first version of SMOS soil moisture back end
2017-03-04T02:31:28 < englishman> Laurenceb: can you get me a TDR humidity sensor cheap / to clone plz
2017-03-04T02:31:33 < englishman> for soilz
2017-03-04T02:31:37 < Laurenceb> looks like another project I doomed
2017-03-04T02:32:49 < Laurenceb> nope never used one of those
2017-03-04T02:33:33 < Laurenceb> omg dat antenna is hawt
2017-03-04T02:33:34 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_Moisture_Active_Passive
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2017-03-04T02:41:21 < englishman> hmm capacitive looks much easier
2017-03-04T02:43:22 < Laurenceb> yeah but it needs sensors
2017-03-04T02:43:32 < englishman> big pcb
2017-03-04T02:43:35 < englishman> cheap
2017-03-04T02:43:47 < Laurenceb> earth size pcb
2017-03-04T02:44:02 < englishman> im working only on a small piece of the earth
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2017-03-04T02:44:07 < englishman> so i can use a smaller pcb
2017-03-04T02:44:18 < englishman> sorry for not defining scale earlier.
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2017-03-04T02:44:30 < englishman> i know, i hate it too when the client springs these surprise requirements on you
2017-03-04T02:44:46 < englishman> "oh you dont want to measure soil humidity of the entire earth? just your one potted plant?"
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2017-03-04T03:00:12 < englishman> hmm, i can use the touch sensing controller on cheap f042/f051 to measure capacitance
2017-03-04T03:00:15 < englishman> with 14 bits resolution
2017-03-04T03:01:34 < Laurenceb> band of breviks
2017-03-04T03:04:56  * Laurenceb wonders if crt is actually sleeping for once
2017-03-04T03:20:49 < jadew> englishman, you want to measure moisture?
2017-03-04T03:20:54 < jadew> air or ground?
2017-03-04T03:21:59 < englishman> soil moisture
2017-03-04T03:22:12 < englishman> air is pretty simple, lots of sensors for that
2017-03-04T03:22:19 < jadew> yeah
2017-03-04T03:23:25 < jadew> there's no formula for resistance vs moisture, between two rods of given dimensions?
2017-03-04T03:24:26 < Laurenceb> http://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.2378631
2017-03-04T03:24:33 < Laurenceb> the yo dawg of fusion energy
2017-03-04T03:26:08 < jadew> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Ph-moisture-meter-hnmj-earth-resistance_60556249722.html
2017-03-04T03:26:26 < jadew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-in-1-Earth-garden-moisture-pH-illumination-meter-PH-meters-moisture-meter-Illumination-meter/2011430363.html
2017-03-04T03:27:31 < englishman> yeah looking for a probe
2017-03-04T03:27:46 < englishman> looks like a specifically designed pcb + stm32f042 will be plenty
2017-03-04T03:27:59 < englishman> thanks to HAL im almost done
2017-03-04T03:28:03 < englishman> just gotta order pcb
2017-03-04T03:28:18 < englishman> doing it myself means i can make different sensor lengths too
2017-03-04T03:28:47 < englishman> and the capacitive method means no exposed metal - so no exposure and dont have to pay for enig
2017-03-04T03:29:24 < englishman> plus with onboard mcu i can have it spit out 9600b or something, so no adc offsets from long wires or whatever
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2017-03-04T03:39:35 < upgrdman> what the fuck. what dumb fuck decided to show a suggested pcb foot print as a BOTTOM VIEW. those cunts. http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/253/KC-301287-195995.pdf
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2017-03-04T04:38:54 < englishman> upgrdman_: depends on the thermostat
2017-03-04T04:39:19 < englishman> some are simple thermocouple switches and yeah might work
2017-03-04T04:39:51 < englishman> but most digital ones draw power in series so they have a minimum wattage requirement
2017-03-04T04:47:53 < upgrdman_> k
2017-03-04T04:48:03 < englishman> just use an ssd
2017-03-04T04:48:03 < upgrdman_> ya these are snap action dumb ones
2017-03-04T04:48:14 < englishman> yeah could work
2017-03-04T04:48:28 < englishman> i have a dope one with a mercury switch
2017-03-04T04:48:35 < englishman> or, had
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2017-03-04T05:26:34 < upgrdman_> whats nice about mercury switches?
2017-03-04T05:26:50 < upgrdman_> more tolerant of arcing?
2017-03-04T05:28:01 < boB_K7IQ> yes
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2017-03-04T05:42:08 < upgrdman> rob235 as an old woman:   http://i.imgur.com/25mnxAH.gifv
2017-03-04T05:42:13 < ohsix> supgrdman
2017-03-04T05:42:19 < upgrdman> hellosix
2017-03-04T05:42:37 < ohsix> there's always a thing i'd meant to tell you after you're gone for the night olol
2017-03-04T05:42:40 < ohsix> but this time i remember
2017-03-04T05:43:04 < ohsix> the outrunner reaction wheel thing. i watched the reaction wheel couch video again, he's using hub motors from electric bikes to do it
2017-03-04T05:43:32 < ohsix> https://vimeo.com/72826106
2017-03-04T05:44:01 < ohsix> pix of prototypes at about 1:40
2017-03-04T05:44:28 < ohsix> i saw it when it was new and didn't notice
2017-03-04T05:46:29 < ohsix> kakimir: leeloo can't figure out the hb100?
2017-03-04T05:46:52 < upgrdman> ohsix, neat
2017-03-04T05:47:08 < ohsix> ya
2017-03-04T05:47:16 < ohsix> rc brushless doodads should work
2017-03-04T05:47:25 < upgrdman> ohsix, so iirc, reaction wheels arent good if you need constant torque applied, right? for that, need a control moment gyro, right?
2017-03-04T05:47:28 < ohsix> i should have ordered some years ago, dum
2017-03-04T05:47:44 < ohsix> dunno about control moment gyro's, but yea that sounds right
2017-03-04T05:48:13 < ohsix> what do you need constant torque for? in space you keep spinning
2017-03-04T05:48:46 < upgrdman> i dont. just thinking. 
2017-03-04T05:48:51 < ohsix> oic
2017-03-04T05:48:56 < ReadError> whats a good rss feed thing
2017-03-04T05:49:03 < ohsix> Aggregator
2017-03-04T05:49:10 < englishman> google reader
2017-03-04T05:49:22 < ohsix> it does almost nothing, but it works, and the author is easy to reach
2017-03-04T05:49:24 < ohsix> it's like 3mb too
2017-03-04T05:49:47 < ohsix> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tughi.aggregator&hl=en
2017-03-04T05:49:56 < ReadError> not for phone tho
2017-03-04T05:50:06 < ohsix> pff
2017-03-04T05:50:09 < ReadError> i mean it would be cool if it worked on the phone but
2017-03-04T05:50:09 < ohsix> nothing
2017-03-04T05:50:14 < ReadError> like a webservice
2017-03-04T05:50:28 < ohsix> there's pocket or something
2017-03-04T05:50:36 < ohsix> wallaby?
2017-03-04T05:50:42 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/88ca14b5a321410a8e0948d2359989cc?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=b99ec0594018be2e954bb45a44db0cd2
2017-03-04T05:50:57 < ohsix> http://doc.wallabag.org/en/master/
2017-03-04T05:51:29 < ohsix> that's pro clown skills upgrdman, where do they talk about that
2017-03-04T05:52:24 < ohsix> ReadError: there's a plugin to source rss junk
2017-03-04T05:52:40 < ohsix> then you get a bunch of articles with readability history and shit, stripped of all the garbage
2017-03-04T05:53:02 < ohsix> and if you want you can use a plain rss reader to see what's on the instance
2017-03-04T05:53:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, was from   https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/5xczg0/never_be_sad_again/
2017-03-04T05:53:13 < ReadError> http://demo.freshrss.org/i/?a=normal
2017-03-04T05:53:16 < ohsix> it's crazy there aren't actually more rss duct tape
2017-03-04T05:53:16 < ReadError> this might work
2017-03-04T05:53:35 < ohsix> if you like shit that sucks
2017-03-04T05:53:53 < upgrdman> haha, japan has a product for it   http://imgur.com/a/Np3av
2017-03-04T05:54:26 < ohsix> you can also throw shit at wallabag https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fr.gaulupeau.apps.InThePoche&hl=en and read it later
2017-03-04T05:54:40 < ohsix> it's only for pros tho
2017-03-04T05:55:03 < ohsix> upgrdman: hurr america does too
2017-03-04T05:55:10 < ohsix> and there's the dental inspection one
2017-03-04T05:55:13 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, http://i.imgur.com/M6WxHDl.jpg
2017-03-04T05:55:53 < ohsix> heheh googling cheek spreader
2017-03-04T05:56:40 < ReadError> https://tt-rss.org/gitlab/fox/tt-rss/wikis/home
2017-03-04T05:57:48 < ohsix> ehh wtf is this for http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/auction/000/279/497/654_001.jpg
2017-03-04T05:57:52 < upgrdman> typical black person activity https://gfycat.com/SmugUncomfortableKissingbug
2017-03-04T05:57:59 < ohsix> tt-rss is the thing with the plugin that posts to the thing
2017-03-04T05:58:24 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol. from the photo, guessing so you can tan the crack
2017-03-04T05:59:16 < dongs> upgrdman: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2017-03-04T05:59:46 < upgrdman> :)
2017-03-04T06:00:05 < ohsix> hm
2017-03-04T06:00:14 < ohsix> and you just ignore the part where the spool is?
2017-03-04T06:03:52 < ohsix> i've been spending basically all of the last 3 days ordering junk off aliexpress
2017-03-04T06:04:49 < ReadError> http://www.rssowl.org
2017-03-04T06:04:52 < ReadError> this looks interesting too
2017-03-04T06:05:01 < ReadError> think ttrss or that mabe best option
2017-03-04T06:11:29 < ohsix> http://www.local10.com/news/crime/feds-indict-2-lawyers-with-trail-of-porn-copyright-trolls-accusations
2017-03-04T06:11:44 < ohsix> ReadError: it's the least worst
2017-03-04T06:11:55 < ohsix> if you have to setup your own instance of shit may as well go all the way
2017-03-04T06:14:42 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/astonoha/status/837665127969210368
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2017-03-04T06:24:39 < ohsix> juan thompson eh
2017-03-04T06:24:51 < ohsix> you do anything with the esp8266 upgrdman?
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2017-03-04T06:25:13 < ohsix> it's p. fast, you could run your balance bot on it oololol, and program it with the arduino toolchain, aaaand gdb over tcp
2017-03-04T06:26:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, not yet. plan to plug it in tomorrow and start fuckery
2017-03-04T06:26:49 < upgrdman> if i can get it working nice, i plan to test latency
2017-03-04T06:27:13 < upgrdman> my hc05 bluetooth uart has noticable latency. guessing 30 - 50ms.
2017-03-04T06:27:24 < upgrdman> not a big deal, but if i can do better...
2017-03-04T06:27:37 < upgrdman> plus its a good excuse to add tcp/udp support for TelemetryViewer
2017-03-04T06:27:51 < upgrdman> transmit all the things
2017-03-04T06:27:53 < ohsix> indeed
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2017-03-04T06:28:09 < ohsix> the espressif sdk shit does tons of stuff
2017-03-04T06:28:31 < upgrdman> for now i plan to just uart to it, not use it standalone. but ya, might try later on
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2017-03-04T06:29:02 < ohsix> it has some sort of nvram thing for credentials and can manage over the air updates and a bunch of poop
2017-03-04T06:29:14 < ohsix> and a filesystem in flash
2017-03-04T06:29:28 < ohsix> a relatively hueg one, you can get like 3MB of the flash it boots from
2017-03-04T06:29:45 < upgrdman> ya i read it supposed 16MByte flash
2017-03-04T06:29:49 < upgrdman> at least in theory
2017-03-04T06:29:52 < upgrdman> but fuck if i need that
2017-03-04T06:30:19 < ohsix> yea you can put whatever spi flash thing you want on there
2017-03-04T06:30:26 < ohsix> ~most come with 1MB/4MB
2017-03-04T06:30:36 < ohsix> if you're buying esp-01's dont get trixed
2017-03-04T06:30:49 < upgrdman> have some esp12e's
2017-03-04T06:31:15 < upgrdman> but thb, i prolly wont go far with them. just want to make a few youtube vids for more revenue
2017-03-04T06:31:29 < upgrdman> will be using first-world wifi modules at work, so i can get them for free
2017-03-04T06:31:55 < upgrdman> have not decided on BoM yet, but prolly gonna use one of murata or bluenigga modules
2017-03-04T06:33:48 < ohsix> first world ones kind of suck tho
2017-03-04T06:34:01 < ohsix> xtensa sux, and the toolchain for the esp8266 sux, but at least you can get them
2017-03-04T06:34:40 < ohsix> guy that invented lithium ion battery chemistry is in the nooz for sodium-glass battery thing
2017-03-04T06:43:53 < dongs> ya esp is MAKE:R trash
2017-03-04T06:43:58 < dongs> nobody serious actally uses them
2017-03-04T06:44:21 < dongs> when a custoemr says "but can we put ESP14/88 on this board just in case" i just tell them to fuck off
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2017-03-04T06:47:42 < englishman> is there a protocol for low bandwidth, multi-station communication over a single half-duplex channel including station discovery
2017-03-04T06:47:49 < englishman> or should i just open a textbook and use aloha
2017-03-04T06:50:28 < dongs> doesnt exist
2017-03-04T06:51:46 < englishman> it has to
2017-03-04T06:52:52 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/InternetPalace/status/837841549975240708 heh
2017-03-04T06:55:07 < ohsix> how many multi station and wat medium
2017-03-04T06:55:30 < ohsix> all of that shit invariably sucks in one way or another, so you may end up doing your own shit anyways
2017-03-04T06:56:59 < ohsix> that's my conclusion after having looked more than once at all that shit, sensor node stuff
2017-03-04T07:06:26 < ohsix> it can help to outline some numbers on the worst possible performance of shit
2017-03-04T07:06:29 < ohsix> like discovering new nodes
2017-03-04T07:06:42 < ohsix> can almost directly dictate timings for shit like beacons
2017-03-04T07:07:25 < ohsix> distributed clock junk and slicing up radio listening times can work but is hard
2017-03-04T07:07:32 < ohsix> +well
2017-03-04T07:09:22 < ohsix> i have some bookz
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2017-03-04T07:10:59 < ohsix> hurr i've got like 15 paid successfully aliexpress things
2017-03-04T07:11:02 < ohsix> zero shipped
2017-03-04T07:11:17 < ohsix> aliexpress's auto cancel shit is neat, how they do shit is generally neat
2017-03-04T07:11:47 < ohsix> they start a timer that will cancel the order if the company doesnt' ship something in 10 days and some other ones
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2017-03-04T08:03:36 < ohsix> huh cypress fx3 kit is only 50bux
2017-03-04T08:04:02 < ohsix> and it comes with a book or some shit
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2017-03-04T08:22:52 < upgrdman> fuck. even my quality-ish jumper wires with "machined pin" tips are oxidized and intermittent in my breadboard
2017-03-04T08:23:25 < upgrdman> i think im gonna have to go full-autism and just get a spool of solid core wire, cut/strip as needed, and make every jumper ONE TIME USE. ffs, why
2017-03-04T08:26:07 < englishman> your breadboard is probably just gaping
2017-03-04T08:26:12 < englishman> like breadboards do
2017-03-04T08:27:01 < upgrdman> well if i use some freshly crimped upgrdman-made jumper wires theyre perfect
2017-03-04T08:27:14 < englishman> damn
2017-03-04T08:27:19 < englishman> gold plating then
2017-03-04T08:27:27 < ohsix> englishman: sup re: protocol
2017-03-04T08:27:52 < ohsix> upgrdman: are you using the mb102 breadboard?
2017-03-04T08:27:54 < englishman> o6: meshternet of dicks
2017-03-04T08:28:09 < upgrdman> ohsix, wtf's that?
2017-03-04T08:28:24 < ohsix> http://www.elecfreaks.com/store/images/product_images/BD2_01.jpg this thing
2017-03-04T08:28:32 < ohsix> might be related to wire shenanigans, they suck
2017-03-04T08:30:34 < ohsix> something about the fingers in them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VerbEZtACwQ
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2017-03-04T08:32:11 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i saw that vid
2017-03-04T08:32:26 < upgrdman> and no, im using some decentish board from twin industries
2017-03-04T08:32:39 < upgrdman> fully autismed   http://farrellf.com/temp/esp12e.jpg
2017-03-04T08:34:08 < ohsix> werd
2017-03-04T08:34:21 < ohsix> are you sure there isn't an acid spill or something nearby
2017-03-04T08:34:32 < ohsix> no doubt the shit corrodes but the speed/level seems insane
2017-03-04T08:34:58 < upgrdman> dont think so
2017-03-04T08:35:03 < ohsix> got a big bin of them at the shop, people handling them all day, some real old, none corroded
2017-03-04T08:35:20 < upgrdman> but im in long beach. so near the ocean prolly dont help connectors to not oxidize
2017-03-04T08:35:39 < ohsix> are they reacting chemically with the things they're plugged into?
2017-03-04T08:36:00 < upgrdman> well i store them just sitting in a desk drawn, not plugged in
2017-03-04T08:36:26 < upgrdman> and theres a film of gray oxide on many of them, and a small few are totally fucked black/brown rust stuff
2017-03-04T08:37:03 < ohsix> weird
2017-03-04T08:37:21 < upgrdman> theyre prolly 3 yrs old
2017-03-04T08:37:33 < ohsix> anyways shit, i'll wonder forever cuz it is weird, if you find some way to see what is going on with them let me know
2017-03-04T08:37:41 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-04T08:37:49 < ohsix> where i live is unusually dry so i could be the one with the odd situation
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2017-03-04T09:27:40 < ohsix> watching Arrival
2017-03-04T09:27:52 < ohsix> it's got some oldschool scifi sensibilities in the sound & visual design
2017-03-04T09:27:55 < upgrdman> AT+CWLAP
2017-03-04T09:28:19 < ohsix> i almost groaned when the science guy said 'no, science', in a hamfisted fucking way, like the opposite of the religious guy in Contact ololol
2017-03-04T09:28:22 < upgrdman> oops wrong window
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2017-03-04T09:28:37 < ohsix> upgrdman: there's a java tool thing to play with those
2017-03-04T09:28:48 < ohsix> the nodemcu firmware can be put on the 01 too, i think
2017-03-04T09:28:49 < ohsix> bbl
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2017-03-04T09:47:32 < upgrdman> dongs, when you dicked with esp12e, did you need to set the character encoding in your terminal app? get corrupt chars for something in teraterm. like capital letters look good, but lower case ones are fucked
2017-03-04T09:47:58 < upgrdman> iirc teraterm interprets as utf8 by defualt, guessing esp is using something else
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2017-03-04T10:00:54 < zyp> ascii is a subset of utf8
2017-03-04T10:01:29 < zyp> then again, ascii is a subset of every modern charset, so as long as you're only doing ascii, you're good either way
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2017-03-04T10:01:41 < zyp> (except multibyte shit like utf-16, of course)
2017-03-04T10:08:29 < Steffanx> So what would dongs use for wifi? Lantronix crap i guess? :P
2017-03-04T10:08:50 < Steffanx> or full hardcore sdio connected module with no non-nda datasheet?
2017-03-04T10:12:38 < ds2> does such a module exists?
2017-03-04T10:27:51 < zyp> broadcom has a ton
2017-03-04T10:33:55 < Steffanx> non-nda? 
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2017-03-04T10:44:43 < zyp> nda
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2017-03-04T11:14:20 < ohsix> it was good
2017-03-04T11:18:33 < ohsix> upgrdman: more likely to be baud rate mismatch or something
2017-03-04T11:18:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, not in this case
2017-03-04T11:19:06 < upgrdman> like the problem is just with certain characters
2017-03-04T11:19:17 < upgrdman> e.g. lowercase is 100% fucked, uppercase is 100% perfect
2017-03-04T11:19:19 < ohsix> ya
2017-03-04T11:19:26 < ohsix> parity bit too
2017-03-04T11:19:32 < upgrdman> and i tried realterm and it renders perfectly.
2017-03-04T11:20:03 < upgrdman> no, there no parity bit config'd for either teraterm or realterm
2017-03-04T11:20:34 < ohsix> the difference between capital A and a is 1 bit
2017-03-04T11:20:44 < ohsix> but it's in the middle of the character so nm
2017-03-04T11:21:04 < upgrdman> but jesus fuck. realterm is one of those programs where you KNOW it was made by an engineer or equiv. such a weird gui.
2017-03-04T11:21:18 < ohsix> y u no putty
2017-03-04T11:21:35 < ohsix> and ya those elaborate shits are for connecting to mainframe computers and stuff
2017-03-04T11:21:37 < upgrdman> ohsix, it isnt just with capital letters, that's just the most obvious problem
2017-03-04T11:21:40 < ohsix> they use it at the dmv here
2017-03-04T11:21:50 < ohsix> sure
2017-03-04T11:21:59 < ohsix> see if it is the same bit being changed with other characters
2017-03-04T11:22:03 < upgrdman> guess i could try putty.
2017-03-04T11:22:33 < ohsix> bit 6 for a-z
2017-03-04T11:22:47 < ohsix> wat baud rate are you using
2017-03-04T11:23:01 < ohsix> esp8266 has a scheduler thing and the faster the more chance to slip a bit doing something
2017-03-04T11:23:21 < upgrdman> default, 115200 8n1
2017-03-04T11:23:54 < ohsix> wat board, any wrong resistor values on the serial pins?
2017-03-04T11:24:38 < PeterM> https://zeptobars.com/en/read/baikal-t1-mips-Imagination-Technologies-P5600-Warrior
2017-03-04T11:25:05 < ohsix> does # show up properly
2017-03-04T11:25:13 < upgrdman> ohsix, just using an ftdi to talk to esp12e
2017-03-04T11:25:22 < upgrdman> this
2017-03-04T11:25:23 < upgrdman> <upgrdman> fully autismed   http://farrellf.com/temp/esp12e.jpg
2017-03-04T11:25:31 < ohsix> and `
2017-03-04T11:26:38 < upgrdman> yes both look fine
2017-03-04T11:26:42 < ohsix> newayz # and ` and [] and some other shit all have 2 bits near the 6th bit
2017-03-04T11:26:46 < ohsix> k
2017-03-04T11:27:01 < ohsix> could just be noise too, or low power to the module
2017-03-04T11:27:18 < ohsix> they require some shit that can handle an amp burst for a small timeframe
2017-03-04T11:27:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, but they why the fuck would it look fine in realterm
2017-03-04T11:27:49 < upgrdman> literally it only looks fucked in teraterm
2017-03-04T11:28:01 < upgrdman> gotta be a char encoding thing
2017-03-04T11:28:04 < upgrdman> well, decoding
2017-03-04T11:28:39 < ohsix> there are options that interpret the msb different, but that excludes a-zA-Z
2017-03-04T11:30:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, http://farrellf.com/temp/teraterm.png
2017-03-04T11:31:06 < ohsix> oh hahahaha
2017-03-04T11:31:21 < ohsix> that happens with bitchx when it isn't careful filtering garbage it sends to the terminal
2017-03-04T11:31:54 < ohsix> esp on the wrong baud rate basically spews garbage for tens of bytes every reset
2017-03-04T11:31:57 < ohsix> bound to fuck up
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2017-03-04T11:32:12 < upgrdman> ya its not just reset
2017-03-04T11:32:14 < ohsix> it's a terminal state thing, pretty tired and i dunno if i'll look it up
2017-03-04T11:32:27 < upgrdman> that was just a quick demo. same shit if i do an http get request
2017-03-04T11:32:27 < stm32> cool it with the anti semitic remarks
2017-03-04T11:32:29 < ohsix> there is usually a key to do the equivalent of reset in a terminal
2017-03-04T11:32:48 < upgrdman> stm32, ?
2017-03-04T11:33:12 < ohsix> you can also look at the termcap and just send it for your terminal type
2017-03-04T11:35:48 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQwOtHfe8eY
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2017-03-04T11:52:14 < ohsix> for upgrdman tomorrow http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/alternate_charset/
2017-03-04T11:52:30 < ohsix> ces't la vie
2017-03-04T12:08:09 < Steffanx> je ne parle pas français.
2017-03-04T12:09:08 < stm32> stroopwafel
2017-03-04T12:09:53 < Steffanx> Hello stvn
2017-03-04T12:09:57 < stm32> o/
2017-03-04T12:10:13 < Steffanx> Why incognito?
2017-03-04T12:10:29 < stm32> why wouldn't you be stm32
2017-03-04T12:11:06 < Steffanx> because im STeffanX .. X can be 32
2017-03-04T12:11:40 < ReadError> stm32 just wanted the highlights
2017-03-04T12:11:49 < Steffanx> You can be STvN, where N can be 32.
2017-03-04T12:11:53 < Steffanx> and v be m
2017-03-04T12:11:57 < stm32> mmmmmmmmmm
2017-03-04T12:12:16 < stm32> i'll have to ask my accountant
2017-03-04T12:12:38 < ReadError> jewish people dont work on saturday though
2017-03-04T12:12:59 < Steffanx> in aussieland the saturday is almost over
2017-03-04T12:14:29 < stm32> the best pumps are late at night
2017-03-04T12:15:00 < Steffanx> Yeah, but you're always gone when it's late at night.
2017-03-04T12:15:34 < stm32> better move in with mr.d in .jp
2017-03-04T12:15:42 < stm32> good time zone
2017-03-04T12:20:04 < stm32> my IGBTs are here Steffanx 
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2017-03-04T12:43:03 < Steffanx> ok stm32
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2017-03-04T12:52:38 < stm32> Steffanx how about this http://au.rs-online.com/web/p/thermal-gap-pads/7073373/
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2017-03-04T12:53:27 < PeterM> noice
2017-03-04T12:55:25 < stm32> i never heard of graphite being used
2017-03-04T12:55:37 < stm32> looks expensive
2017-03-04T12:56:24 < stm32> price is a bit how ya goin
2017-03-04T12:56:58 < ohsix> using the name stm32 is a master stroke
2017-03-04T12:57:15 < PeterM> ya but so is most stuff on rs
2017-03-04T12:57:33 < stm32> yes
2017-03-04T12:58:01 < stm32> my last mouser came 6pm on friday
2017-03-04T13:03:37 < stm32> i now have 2500x2 resistas
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2017-03-04T13:05:21 < stm32> 2500w
2017-03-04T13:06:12 < dongs> I ordered a rageberry pi from RS the other day for work shit
2017-03-04T13:06:19 < Steffanx> zero?
2017-03-04T13:06:24 < dongs> no, CM3
2017-03-04T13:06:58 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2017-03-04T13:07:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> I feel like RPI's are ok if you just want to shove a little linux computer somewhere, and it's not meant to scale up. Maybe basic GPIO, but nothing complicated
2017-03-04T13:07:32 < dongs> I feeli ke I wouldnt evne touch that shit unless im getting paid for it, which I am, so im totalyl OK with it
2017-03-04T13:09:19 < PeterM>  i think RPi fills the gap between useful microcontrollers and usefull singleboard computers, wityh useless singleboard ocmputers
2017-03-04T13:13:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0e1ArLY.png .. I'm in the 13%
2017-03-04T13:14:03 < Steffanx> Unfunny because context.
2017-03-04T13:15:13 < stm32> idk what that is, not worth knowing right?
2017-03-04T13:15:27 < dongs> nope, i was just closing browser windows
2017-03-04T13:15:32 < dongs> was linked in here in the last few days
2017-03-04T13:15:40 < dongs> noticed a poll at the end and clicked it
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2017-03-04T13:19:28 < stm32> it all starts with clicking
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2017-03-04T14:46:52 < Emil> What's your preferrwd SBC?
2017-03-04T14:47:09 < Emil> For one off single function roles I quite like CHIP
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2017-03-04T14:53:30 < stm32> suicide
2017-03-04T14:53:59 < dongs> chip, lol
2017-03-04T14:54:14 < dongs> fking aids
2017-03-04T14:55:58 < Steffanx> that's one way of getting it.
2017-03-04T15:01:59 < ReadError> it was the kellyann conway thing
2017-03-04T15:02:05 < ReadError> on the couch w/ the blackdudes
2017-03-04T15:02:45 < Steffanx> no clue
2017-03-04T15:03:05 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/damn/1617716706.html how can this shit be so cheap lol
2017-03-04T15:03:46 < dongs> 60c/unit and that includes nfet/diode/some resistrors, screw terminals, relay
2017-03-04T15:06:46 < ReadError> dont forget shipping too
2017-03-04T15:07:04 < ReadError> still wonder how the fuck they manage that
2017-03-04T15:07:36 < dongs> its free
2017-03-04T15:07:44 < dongs> i mean, shipping is free, so what the fuck
2017-03-04T15:08:07 < dongs> like relay by itself WITHOUT PCB is more expnesive
2017-03-04T15:08:26 < dongs> er maybe not, i clicked wron shit
2017-03-04T15:08:29 < dongs> there's a .32c relay
2017-03-04T15:08:55 < dongs> NIUKE TAT (HK) ELECTRONIC CO., LIMITED
2017-03-04T15:08:55 < dongs> haha
2017-03-04T15:09:08 < dongs> more like NUKE DAT
2017-03-04T15:09:08 < dongs> amirite
2017-03-04T15:11:58 < Steffanx> china wants to kill make:rs with faulty relays
2017-03-04T15:12:09 < dongs> i hope so
2017-03-04T15:12:17 < dongs> i got this board from a make:R and im almost certain pinout is wrong
2017-03-04T15:12:24 < dongs> so im trying to hunt down the original/datasheet of this chink relay shit
2017-03-04T15:13:38 < dongs> wow, pinout IS right
2017-03-04T15:13:41 < dongs> what the hell
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2017-03-04T15:14:05 < dongs> https://www.eletropecas.com/_uploads/ProdutoDownload/produto_734.pdf
2017-03-04T15:14:24 < dongs> i thought the coil would be the outside 2 pins and common/nc/no on the other end
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2017-03-04T15:29:58 < englishman> Steffanx, how are the grandkids
2017-03-04T15:32:50 < jadew> wtf... thermal expert has no price list on their site
2017-03-04T15:33:08 < jadew> you have the option to buy, they're telling you how much shipping is, but they keep the price to themselves
2017-03-04T15:33:23 < jadew> you have to place a buy order in order to find out how much it costs...
2017-03-04T15:34:22 < jadew> http://www.i3-thermalexpert.com/shop/
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2017-03-04T15:43:25 < dongs> jadew: is that the gook shop?
2017-03-04T15:43:37 < dongs> i got prices a while ago, it was comparable to thermapp
2017-03-04T15:43:43 < dongs> i think 60hz/640x480 was aroudn 3-4k
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2017-03-04T15:44:29 < jadew> what was the cheapest?
2017-03-04T15:44:49 < dongs> i didnt ask
2017-03-04T15:44:55 < dongs> i wasnt interested < 30hz or whatever
2017-03-04T15:45:07 < dongs> cuz i have thermapp (1k) and its absolutely great
2017-03-04T15:45:18 < jadew> what's the refresh rate on that?
2017-03-04T15:45:27 < dongs> 9Hz
2017-03-04T15:45:32 < dongs> export controlled shite
2017-03-04T15:45:36 < jadew> yeah
2017-03-04T15:46:05 < dongs> i was gonna go visit thier office next time I'm in the area, thanks for reminding
2017-03-04T15:46:18 < dongs> not sure hwen im in best korea next time tho, no current plans for at least a month from now anyway
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2017-03-04T16:17:52 < dongs> <ham> lipo batteries are dc?
2017-03-04T16:18:20 < dongs> stonertronics
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2017-03-04T16:22:02 < stm32> heh
2017-03-04T16:22:28 < Laurenceb> they are 3 phase
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2017-03-04T16:41:03 < dongs> oh what the hell is this
2017-03-04T16:41:09 < dongs> 'alternate' mode in altidumb schlib
2017-03-04T16:42:31 < dongs> hmn somethin to do with variants
2017-03-04T16:42:32 < dongs> deleted.
2017-03-04T16:42:35 < dongs> fucking garbage vault parts
2017-03-04T16:42:42 < dongs> this is why I would normalyl draw my own shit
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2017-03-04T17:19:22 < Laurenceb> when I get b& on ##stm32
2017-03-04T17:19:23 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLSEy_p--i8
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2017-03-04T17:39:50 < Steffanx> Same happend to your gf, Laurenceb.
2017-03-04T17:40:38 < Laurenceb> gf? but you know I'm a wizard
2017-03-04T17:41:07 < Steffanx> Leeloo.
2017-03-04T17:42:57 < Laurenceb> oh lol
2017-03-04T17:43:15 < Laurenceb> I met a girl on okcupid
2017-03-04T17:43:41 < Laurenceb> I'm a little worried she is too much of a basement dwelling autist even for me
2017-03-04T17:43:58 < Steffanx> Or its 8/2chan trolling you
2017-03-04T17:43:58 < englishman> sounds perfect
2017-03-04T17:44:11 < Laurenceb> I'm not sure if I want to sink to her level
2017-03-04T17:44:21 < englishman> don't kid yourself
2017-03-04T17:44:22 < Steffanx> How is your day englishman?
2017-03-04T17:44:22 < Laurenceb> was stalking her on twitter
2017-03-04T17:44:35 < englishman> fantabulous Steffanx 
2017-03-04T17:44:38 < Steffanx> Good.
2017-03-04T17:44:40 < englishman> how is your weed end
2017-03-04T17:44:49 < Steffanx> I dont do weed.
2017-03-04T17:44:52 < englishman> legit typo
2017-03-04T17:44:53 < Steffanx> I do pizza.
2017-03-04T17:45:21 < englishman> inject.pizza domain is available
2017-03-04T17:45:34 < Laurenceb> her life consists of irl living in her parents basement eating pizza and playing ps4
2017-03-04T17:45:42 < Steffanx> Sounds perfect.
2017-03-04T17:45:59 < Laurenceb> I'm not _that_ much of a loser
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2017-03-04T17:46:22 < englishman> does she have a PhD from Oxford or Stanford
2017-03-04T17:46:49 < Laurenceb> nah she is a neet loser
2017-03-04T17:47:18 < englishman> how fat
2017-03-04T17:47:25 < englishman> Homer Simpson
2017-03-04T17:47:30 < Laurenceb> fatter
2017-03-04T17:47:33 < englishman> or homer Simpson in that one episode where he's super fat
2017-03-04T17:47:37 < Laurenceb> not immobile
2017-03-04T17:47:46 < Laurenceb> but might be soon
2017-03-04T17:47:58 < englishman> sounds like typical twitter user
2017-03-04T17:48:01 < Steffanx> So be a hero and safe her. 
2017-03-04T17:48:21 < Steffanx> *save ?
2017-03-04T17:48:32 < Steffanx> You can save her life, how can it be better?
2017-03-04T17:49:06 < Laurenceb> lulz
2017-03-04T17:49:10 < englishman> launch her into space
2017-03-04T17:49:39 < Laurenceb> I'm might go back to trying with nazi grrrl
2017-03-04T17:50:16 < Laurenceb> oh I saw someone from okcupid in the supermarket yesterday
2017-03-04T17:50:40 < Laurenceb> some fat polyamorous girl, she had two guys with her
2017-03-04T17:50:43 < Laurenceb> epic lulz
2017-03-04T17:51:33 < Laurenceb> the guys were skinny autists, it was like big bang theory
2017-03-04T17:51:35 < ReadError> you need to quit your homosexual lifestyle first
2017-03-04T17:52:29 < Laurenceb> top trawl
2017-03-04T17:54:32 < Steffanx> Seee.. only the lost people use okcupid.
2017-03-04T17:54:38 < Steffanx> *hopeless
2017-03-04T17:55:32 < Laurenceb> yup
2017-03-04T18:03:49 < Steffanx> You also do tinder Laurenceb?
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2017-03-04T18:03:56 < Laurenceb> no
2017-03-04T18:04:12 < Laurenceb> isnt that like hookers but you dont have to pay?
2017-03-04T18:07:25 < Steffanx> might be.
2017-03-04T18:08:34 < ReadError> you, you pay
2017-03-04T18:10:38 < Laurenceb> with your sanity
2017-03-04T18:10:46 < Laurenceb> also ebolaids
2017-03-04T18:11:58 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T1Xgic78Ow
2017-03-04T18:13:41 < englishman> stick to grindr
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2017-03-04T18:14:30 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Bug_Chasers
2017-03-04T18:14:38 < Laurenceb> typical grindr ppl
2017-03-04T18:17:22 < Laurenceb> nsfl
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2017-03-04T19:29:18 < ReadError> backpage
2017-03-04T19:30:56 < Laurenceb> adultwork.com
2017-03-04T19:33:35 < Steffanx> Someone here experienced with BLE?
2017-03-04T19:42:40 < Tectu> lol wut... errata of some display module: two gate source lines got shorted out on the layout, this means that two rows of pixels will always display the same content. Please consider this for your UI design
2017-03-04T19:42:52 < englishman> nice
2017-03-04T19:43:46 < englishman> damn f042 is cheap and still has xtal-less usb
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2017-03-04T19:45:22 < Laurenceb> damn
2017-03-04T19:45:26 < Laurenceb> 90% rockoon success
2017-03-04T19:45:30 < Laurenceb> time for .gif
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2017-03-04T19:45:42 < Steffanx> Wanted to do some BLE broadcast, to do some connectionless stuff, but it seems crapdroid > 5.0 supports that. Where many phones are still 4.4 -_-
2017-03-04T19:45:49 < Tectu> haven't heard from you in a while, Laurenceb. How's stuff?
2017-03-04T19:45:54 < Steffanx> Or are there other ways to do connectionless ble?
2017-03-04T19:46:01 < Thorn> wtf is njtrst
2017-03-04T19:46:14 < Laurenceb> Tectu: ok thanks, working on boring work stuff and interesting rockoon stuff
2017-03-04T19:46:17 < Tectu> Thorn, jtag reset, the 'n' for inverted, no?
2017-03-04T19:46:23 < Laurenceb> I have a patent too :P
2017-03-04T19:46:27 < Thorn> wtf is jtag reset
2017-03-04T19:46:36 < Laurenceb> Tectu: http://www.google.com/patents/WO2017009669A1?cl=en
2017-03-04T19:46:51 < Tectu> Laurenceb, nice! congratulations!
2017-03-04T19:46:54 < Laurenceb> grr why is .gif so complex
2017-03-04T19:46:57 < Laurenceb> thanx
2017-03-04T19:47:02 < Laurenceb> time ot lurn ffmpeg
2017-03-04T19:47:06 < Tectu> Laurenceb big bucks now?
2017-03-04T19:47:11 < Tectu> Thorn, no idea, I'm wild guessing
2017-03-04T19:47:17 < Tectu> Thorn, can be a typo too. how about some context?
2017-03-04T19:47:19 < Laurenceb> nah I'd have to get a proper job for that
2017-03-04T19:47:29 < englishman> Laurenceb: drag and drop shit to gfycat.com and done
2017-03-04T19:47:36 < Laurenceb> like proper consulting rather than working on uni science park
2017-03-04T19:47:50 < Tectu> Laurenceb, better do that then :)
2017-03-04T19:47:59 < Laurenceb> englishman: I need to crop, extract a short interval, slow down crazy fps to resonable etc
2017-03-04T19:48:08 < Tectu> Laurenceb, starting this december I'll be working at uni 50% and 50% is own company crap
2017-03-04T19:48:10 < englishman> crop? ur fukt
2017-03-04T19:48:21 < Tectu> better final cut pro
2017-03-04T19:48:26 < Laurenceb> lul ffmpeg does all I need if I can just remember the shit
2017-03-04T19:48:36 < Laurenceb> back in about a hour
2017-03-04T19:48:37 < Laurenceb> lol
2017-03-04T19:48:47 < Steffanx> Isn't it just the jtag test reset pin Thorn? To reset the JTAG TAP state machine?
2017-03-04T19:48:54 < Tectu> that ^
2017-03-04T19:50:09 < Thorn> in other words I can switch it to an AF and the mcu won't drop off the swd ok
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2017-03-04T21:10:33 < Laurenceb> ok gif here, its not pretty but all the principles are there, "just" needs to be done better
2017-03-04T21:10:36 < Laurenceb> https://gfycat.com/SaneVengefulKakarikis
2017-03-04T21:14:00 < branjb> anyone here use resharper?
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2017-03-04T21:16:06 < Steffanx> Used it, but $$$
2017-03-04T21:17:00 < branjb> i have all the intellisense disabled but it keeps doing shit like autocompleting if and for statements into random ass things
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2017-03-04T21:20:12 < Steffanx> oh, dont remember it auto-completing ifs at all :P
2017-03-04T21:20:24 < Steffanx> Not more than what VS already did
2017-03-04T21:22:35 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-04T21:22:47 < branjb> i can't figure out how to turn it off
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2017-03-04T21:28:06 < Steffanx> dotnetting much?
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2017-03-04T21:28:38 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/679091c5a8/5623.jpg
2017-03-04T21:29:50 < branjb> ya p much
2017-03-04T21:30:24 < Steffanx> C# i hope?
2017-03-04T21:30:39 < branjb> Laurenceb: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TDDwEPOpRBU/VuY7DnmR1AI/AAAAAAAAJdg/xKToZr2MajMsp0h4yaqnIe3Oh6_MvAOYg/s640/Women%2Bin%2BSTEM.jpg
2017-03-04T21:30:52 < branjb> ya
2017-03-04T21:31:08 < Laurenceb> old
2017-03-04T21:31:19 < branjb> so is yours
2017-03-04T21:32:32 < branjb> holy shit this is annoying the crap out of me
2017-03-04T21:41:33 < aandrew> I like the "if a < b && b > a" line
2017-03-04T21:43:06 < aandrew> Laurenceb: that launch is almost as good as dongs' quadcopter blade flying off
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2017-03-04T21:43:56 < englishman> oh wow
2017-03-04T21:44:24 < englishman> Laurenceb: how did you get the rocket to point up above the balloon
2017-03-04T21:44:32 < englishman> or did you launch it towards the ground
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2017-03-04T22:32:12 < Steffanx> Was this already rockoon? Or just rocket Laurenceb?
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2017-03-04T22:49:38 < englishman> is there a rechargable equivalent of a cell battery
2017-03-04T22:50:26 < Laurenceb> englishman: its pointing at the sky thing
2017-03-04T22:50:30 < Laurenceb> as you can see...
2017-03-04T22:50:42  * Laurenceb wonders if englishman is stupid or trolling
2017-03-04T22:50:46 < englishman> ?
2017-03-04T22:50:54 < englishman> theres just clouds lan
2017-03-04T22:50:54 < englishman> man
2017-03-04T22:50:57 < englishman> could be the sea
2017-03-04T22:51:01 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-03-04T22:51:07 < englishman> you live on an island
2017-03-04T22:51:10 < Laurenceb> its obviously pointing upwards
2017-03-04T22:51:22 < englishman> post a lower quality gif so i can watch it again
2017-03-04T22:51:37 < Laurenceb> wut
2017-03-04T22:51:43 < Laurenceb> it replays by itself
2017-03-04T22:51:47 < Laurenceb> so much trolling here
2017-03-04T22:51:58 < englishman> your gif is poor quality, much like your chats
2017-03-04T22:52:07 < englishman> spacex you are not.
2017-03-04T22:52:18 < Laurenceb> I have zero budget
2017-03-04T22:52:26 < Laurenceb> can only afford a failpro
2017-03-04T22:52:37 < englishman> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/keystone-electronics/54/36-54-ND/2254090
2017-03-04T22:52:38 < Laurenceb> spent about an hour trying to persuade it to boot up
2017-03-04T22:52:43 < englishman> this only says 18650 compatible
2017-03-04T22:52:52 < englishman> think i can break the law and use 18350
2017-03-04T22:53:00 < Laurenceb> just been crawling around in dark and wet finding the vanes :S
2017-03-04T22:53:01 < englishman> just place em closer together
2017-03-04T22:53:37 < ReadError> why the shit are they so expensive
2017-03-04T22:54:01 < englishman> white people
2017-03-04T22:54:08 < englishman> im sure theyre 1c in china
2017-03-04T22:56:19 < Steffanx> Better aliexpress englishman
2017-03-04T22:56:20 < Laurenceb> ok I guess video is confusing
2017-03-04T22:56:31 < Laurenceb> yeah its on a tripod in my garden faking upwards
2017-03-04T22:56:36 < Laurenceb> *facing lol
2017-03-04T22:56:43 < emeb> failing upwards?
2017-03-04T22:56:46 < englishman> oh its not on a balloon
2017-03-04T22:56:46 < Laurenceb> no zano tricks involved :P
2017-03-04T22:56:58 < Laurenceb> nah not yet, it'd have to work before I tried that
2017-03-04T22:57:03 < englishman> ooh ok
2017-03-04T22:57:03 < Steffanx> the c is not even close to the k .. did you make a mistake there Laurenceb? Or just self-troll?
2017-03-04T22:57:09 < Laurenceb> anyways its tantalisingly close
2017-03-04T22:57:29 < Laurenceb> self troll
2017-03-04T22:58:08 < Laurenceb> need to work out why it doesnt have as much vertical thrust as it should before the vanes come off
2017-03-04T22:58:14 < Steffanx> I wonder why my neighbours would thing when i would launch something like that.. 
2017-03-04T22:58:21 < Steffanx> not sure they would appriciate.
2017-03-04T22:58:25 < Steffanx> *think
2017-03-04T22:58:37 < Laurenceb> hard to notice - its out of audible range in ~1second
2017-03-04T22:59:05 < Laurenceb> basically sounds like pop-woosh
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2017-03-04T23:09:09 < branjb> is the i2c peripheral on the f7 buggy?
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2017-03-04T23:11:44 < Laurenceb> I've never used it
2017-03-04T23:11:50 < Laurenceb> but every previous one was..
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2017-03-04T23:16:58 < Laurenceb> https://ibin.co/3ERUwLDUbIO8.jpg
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2017-03-04T23:20:44 < emeb> I've used I2C on F7. Seems OK to me.
2017-03-04T23:20:54 < emeb> ie - no worse than any of the others.
2017-03-04T23:35:57 < Laurenceb> lel http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2554/63d5315b59314e91a8bf127cf889cafa.jpg
2017-03-04T23:37:13 < ReadError> wheres the coonlaunch video Laurenceb 
2017-03-04T23:37:23 < Laurenceb> when I can make it work
2017-03-04T23:37:33 < Laurenceb> so some time yet
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2017-03-05T00:24:48 < Steffanx> no.
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2017-03-05T00:43:24 < englishman> kavinsky - protovision
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2017-03-05T00:50:02 < Steffanx> So how is it placing englishman? 
2017-03-05T00:50:47 < englishman> waiting on some upgrade parts and software
2017-03-05T00:51:28 < Steffanx> You just started and already needs upgrades?
2017-03-05T01:04:32 < karlp> kavinsky's great
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2017-03-05T01:55:29 < Steffanx> What kind of camera, fps and resolution did you film that with? The quality is terrible.. a gopro is that bad? Or is that partially gif crap?
2017-03-05T01:55:35 < Steffanx> @ mr Laurenceb
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2017-03-05T02:14:40 < PeterM> englishman they'll be fine for 18350s juist get your spacing rihgt and if oyu want a boast load of them, see if dongss chinagirl can source for you instead of pauing $999 for any number of htem
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2017-03-05T02:16:11 < englishman> thanks pete
2017-03-05T02:16:25 < englishman> but I'm going to go with 900mah cell batts for now
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2017-03-05T02:31:08 < Laurenceb> Steffanx: its with GoPro, GoPro is about that good/bad
2017-03-05T02:32:52 < stm32> all the king's horses and all the king's men
2017-03-05T02:33:07 < stm32> couldn't put schumacher together again
2017-03-05T02:34:09 < Steffanx> uh what are you rambling about stvn?
2017-03-05T02:34:13 < stm32> gopro - not even once
2017-03-05T02:34:23 < stm32> gopro killed michael schumacher
2017-03-05T02:39:31 < Steffanx> how was the holy day stm32? 
2017-03-05T02:40:02 < Steffanx> Will something interesting happen today?
2017-03-05T02:40:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> well, I am 3D printing something.
2017-03-05T02:40:24 < Steffanx> *is
2017-03-05T02:40:25 < stm32> holy wut
2017-03-05T02:40:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> Something that could arguably be made better by wood, and plasticisen.
2017-03-05T02:40:34 < Steffanx> holy sunday.
2017-03-05T02:40:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> But I was asked ot make it anyway
2017-03-05T02:40:42 < stm32> was?
2017-03-05T02:40:44 < stm32> more like is
2017-03-05T02:41:05 < Steffanx> I corrected me.
2017-03-05T02:41:12 < stm32> meow
2017-03-05T02:41:21 < stm32> i wonder 
2017-03-05T02:41:27 < stm32> so much shit to do
2017-03-05T02:42:41 < Steffanx> Better get to it then
2017-03-05T02:43:07 < Steffanx> and no way to refuse to 3d print Jak_o_Shadows?
2017-03-05T02:43:47 < emeb_mac> latest foolishness -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/rxadc14/index.html
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2017-03-05T02:45:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> Well, Steffanx, it would be more work to do it without 3D printing.
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2017-03-05T02:45:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> At least this is just hitting the button and turning away
2017-03-05T03:02:28 < stm32> nice blog
2017-03-05T03:03:50 < Steffanx> Get to work stm32
2017-03-05T03:04:20 < stm32> i am
2017-03-05T03:06:17 < stm32> 7 days a week
2017-03-05T03:06:40 < emeb_mac> sleep is for the weak
2017-03-05T03:09:04 < upgrdman> how is Brombaugh pronounced? brom-bow?
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2017-03-05T03:12:22 < stm32> maow maow
2017-03-05T03:12:33 < Laurenceb> stm32 is crt?
2017-03-05T03:12:56 < stm32> >
2017-03-05T03:14:54 < stm32> what do you want me to be, boss
2017-03-05T03:16:06 < emeb_mac> many names. many faces
2017-03-05T03:16:18 < stm32> many cats
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2017-03-05T03:53:35 < Laurenceb> https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740024633.pdf
2017-03-05T03:53:38 < Laurenceb> R.J. Hung
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2017-03-05T04:01:06 < Laurenceb> https://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10320997&cid=53977579
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2017-03-05T04:15:42 < upgrdman> typical polish guy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib4RyUa_zR8
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2017-03-05T04:31:04 < aandrew> heh
2017-03-05T04:31:09 < aandrew> tabs 4 eva
2017-03-05T04:31:24 < aandrew> and fucking 8 character space tabs too, fuck people who use 2 character indentation
2017-03-05T04:31:31 < aandrew> visual compression is idiotic
2017-03-05T04:31:49 < aandrew> if your function is crawling across the screen it might be time to break it up
2017-03-05T04:35:47 < stm32> road to the moon
2017-03-05T04:50:37 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/122080426926?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT got 1 of these, it's awesome; cheaper on aliexpress tho
2017-03-05T04:51:01 < ohsix> upgrdman: 01:52 < ohsix> for upgrdman tomorrow http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/alternate_charset/
2017-03-05T04:51:55 < emeb_mac> ohsix: made my own uv flashlight years ago - swapped in some UV LEDs for white in a normal flashlight.
2017-03-05T04:54:11 < Laurenceb> I need that for finding rocket parts in the dark
2017-03-05T04:54:19 < Laurenceb> have to look tomorrow morning
2017-03-05T04:54:31 < aandrew> Laurenceb: do you paint your rockets with uv-visible paint?
2017-03-05T04:54:37 < Laurenceb> no but I should
2017-03-05T04:57:00 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SANYI-Zoomable-LED-UV-Flashlight-Purple-Violet-Light-600LM-Adjustable-Focus-3-Modes-Lantern-Light-Lamp/32795774088.html
2017-03-05T04:57:05 < ohsix> slightly less
2017-03-05T04:57:15 < ohsix> Laurenceb: haw tha tis a good idea
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2017-03-05T04:57:34 < ohsix> though more dangerous at night, if you had a crash or something you could go back to where you found it and find all the bits
2017-03-05T04:57:47 < ohsix> emeb_mac: ya i bought a bunch of leds and some 5050 uv strips
2017-03-05T04:58:05 < ohsix> i didn't even realize it had zoom, just bought the nicer one that took 1 AA; the zoom is kind of ok
2017-03-05T04:58:21 < ohsix> it puts out enough light to make the battery warm after a few minutes
2017-03-05T04:58:48 < emeb_mac> nice
2017-03-05T04:59:01 < emeb_mac> uv is useful for some things
2017-03-05T04:59:15 < ohsix> yea i'm gonna use it to find leaks in my car
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2017-03-05T04:59:56 < ohsix> it would be a good flashlight with a white LED in it, it looks like it is a clone of another one with a led swap
2017-03-05T05:00:55 < ohsix> uno that thing i've been wanting to do on ebay, cluster similar items based on images? aliexpress does that already olol
2017-03-05T05:01:01 < emeb_mac> lights up the UV ink on some old MS licenses
2017-03-05T05:02:17 < emeb_mac> lights up residual fluorescein dye from medical tests
2017-03-05T05:02:27 < Laurenceb>  "medical tests"
2017-03-05T05:03:08 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb: knows what I mean
2017-03-05T05:03:32 < Laurenceb> lulz
2017-03-05T05:04:03 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb: makes trips to the bathroom... "fun"
2017-03-05T05:05:10 < Laurenceb> heh they have installed in all over the place in uk
2017-03-05T05:05:59 < emeb_mac> why?
2017-03-05T05:06:19 < ohsix> fff aliexpress has lots more flashlights than ebay
2017-03-05T05:06:34 < emeb_mac> free shipping?
2017-03-05T05:06:34 < Laurenceb> makes finding veins harder when injecting
2017-03-05T05:07:39 < emeb_mac> weird
2017-03-05T05:08:05 < emeb_mac> I actually get that for retinal tests
2017-03-05T05:09:04 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Super-2000LM-CREE-Q5-AA-14500-3-Modes-LED-Flashlight-Torch-Super-Bright/32781439683.html similar flashlight with white led in it
2017-03-05T05:09:37 < ohsix> the zoom goes down to 8 inch at 8 feet or so
2017-03-05T05:10:08 < ohsix> need to get a 14500 lul, shit probably gets smokin' hot
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2017-03-05T05:10:28 < emeb_mac> 10min battery life
2017-03-05T05:12:51 < ohsix> huhuhu aliexpress has ni-cds
2017-03-05T05:13:03  * Laurenceb zzz
2017-03-05T05:13:04 < emeb_mac> mmm... toxic
2017-03-05T05:13:22 < Laurenceb> toxic masculinity
2017-03-05T05:14:11 < emeb_mac> testosterone poisoning?
2017-03-05T05:14:25 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-03-05T05:14:48 < ohsix> how shit are those one cell wall plug chargers
2017-03-05T05:14:59 < ohsix> extremely, fire hazard shit or just not fast/good
2017-03-05T05:15:07 < ohsix> afraid of capacitive droppers lul
2017-03-05T05:17:33 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-quality-Zoomable-Adjustable-Focus-CREE-Q5-LED-2000-Lumens-Bright-Mini-Flashlight-Torch-penlight-For/32758030237.html haha 'UltraOK' is a brand name i can get behind
2017-03-05T05:18:48 < emeb_mac> MassiveFine
2017-03-05T05:18:53 < emeb_mac> SuperMeh
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2017-03-05T05:21:17 < ohsix> pocketman is on a few of these things too
2017-03-05T05:21:35 < ohsix> the 'brands' thing in general on aliexpress is kind of cool, since they're not shit thrown in your face every day in america
2017-03-05T05:30:01 < ohsix> skywolfeye
2017-03-05T05:33:58 < ohsix> also aliexpress calculates per item price in multi piece listings
2017-03-05T05:34:11 < ohsix> basically half the shit i want ebay to do they already do
2017-03-05T05:36:31 < emeb_mac> china wins again
2017-03-05T05:37:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> They used to be able to sort and filter better though
2017-03-05T05:37:26 < ohsix> werd
2017-03-05T05:37:44 < ohsix> only really started checking it first and finding 1) cheaper 2) lots more items
2017-03-05T05:38:07 < ohsix> going to get slammed by a wave of post
2017-03-05T05:38:50 < ohsix> never ordered anything from there ... then 30 things in a week
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2017-03-05T05:42:30 < emeb_mac> except that deliveries from ali take 4-evah
2017-03-05T05:42:55 < emeb_mac> so your 1-week binge ordering will be spread out over 1.5months starting in about 4 wks
2017-03-05T05:43:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> So it's like giving yourself presents!
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2017-03-05T05:43:54 < ohsix> yes
2017-03-05T05:43:57 < ohsix> it's great
2017-03-05T05:44:06 < ohsix> i'll feel bad when i can't justify any of it anymore
2017-03-05T05:44:16 < ohsix> i'm about there on flashlights that work with AA batteries
2017-03-05T05:44:42 < emeb_mac> soon it'll be flashlights that run from lead-acid gel-cells
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2017-03-05T05:46:57 < ohsix> i hear you can get insurance for that from the government
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2017-03-05T06:00:26 < upgrdman> ohsix, thanks. 
2017-03-05T06:01:12 < upgrdman> ohsix, managed to fix it, in teraterm i found that if i set "language" to english, im good. it default to a "language" of utf8 which fucked it up
2017-03-05T06:02:37 < upgrdman> <ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Super-2000LM-CREE-Q5-AA-14500-3-Modes-LED-Flashlight-Torch-Super-Bright/32781439683.html similar flashlight with white led in it
2017-03-05T06:02:53 < upgrdman> i had some similar flashlights. works niced BUT the power button is total shi
2017-03-05T06:02:55 < upgrdman> shit*
2017-03-05T06:03:04 < upgrdman> e.g. if you rub it, the LED flickers
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2017-03-05T06:07:57 < ohsix> heh there's a lot of pictures of trump supports pissing/shitting their pants going around
2017-03-05T06:08:16 < ohsix> upgrdman: olol sux, it is kind of shit for other reasons too
2017-03-05T06:08:33 < ohsix> it's a small thing under the conical shape area so you can't really use your thumb and junk
2017-03-05T06:08:36 < ohsix> rubber cap binds up
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2017-03-05T06:16:19 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/aloria/status/834010958737657857
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2017-03-05T06:55:12 < PeterM> whatever happened to 32w?
2017-03-05T06:55:22 < PeterM> did it jsut die and st forgot about it
2017-03-05T06:57:47 < dongs> they never posted any docs about it
2017-03-05T06:58:01 < dongs> my guess is they never had any
2017-03-05T06:58:07 < dongs> so it was like like that cortex M3 + accelerometer
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2017-03-05T06:58:16 < dongs> that used ARM peripherals, not STM ones
2017-03-05T06:58:24 < dongs> i wanted to get one jsut for troling
2017-03-05T06:59:17 < PeterM> fairnuff
2017-03-05T06:59:19 < dongs> http://electronicdesign.com/products/smart-sensor-combines-3-axis-accelerometer-microcontroller
2017-03-05T07:00:05 < PeterM> i ask because i was looking at stmeatspin on dk and saw dk still had a bunch of stock of w
2017-03-05T07:00:24 < dongs> and still no docs, right?
2017-03-05T07:01:03 < PeterM> p.much
2017-03-05T07:01:48 < PeterM> i mean it has a real datasheet, but noth else
2017-03-05T07:02:42 < dongs> Lifecycle StatusNot Recommended for New Designs
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2017-03-05T07:14:06 < PeterM>  Lifecycle Status Never Recommended for New Designs
2017-03-05T07:31:26 < ohsix> 21:30 < norotartagen:#winehackers> almost done tugging my dick, then i can get back to wine development
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2017-03-05T07:48:35 < ohsix> put uv head on bench supply, it'lld raw 2A from an AA cell
2017-03-05T07:48:42 < ohsix> and 2.3 from 4v
2017-03-05T07:50:30 < ohsix> gets warm pretty quick, if there was a 14500 cell in there you could only run it like 15 seconds with the body on it
2017-03-05T07:50:38 < ohsix> this body
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2017-03-05T07:50:58 < dongs> HEH
2017-03-05T07:51:52 < ohsix> controller def has current limit somewhere around 2.2a
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2017-03-05T09:36:09 < upgrdman> ohsix, looks like that flipsyfat project by Micah has fpga shit written in python.
2017-03-05T09:36:25 < upgrdman> lol, i know verilog and vhdl sucks, but python seems like the wrong direction
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2017-03-05T09:44:58 < barometz> yyyeah if it's just translating python bytecode to the FPGA description that sounds like it wouldn't be very good
2017-03-05T09:45:37 < barometz> or, well. Good enough for quick mockups and small projects, maybe.
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2017-03-05T10:51:43 < dongs> cocks
2017-03-05T10:55:29 < stm32> yip
2017-03-05T10:55:48 < stm32> sup dongalong
2017-03-05T11:01:20 < stm32> band limited white noise
2017-03-05T11:01:47 < stm32> paid to break in a speaker driver
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2017-03-05T11:47:06 < Kliment_> barometz: There are several frontends for VHDL that translate python on a higher level
2017-03-05T11:48:02 < Kliment_> barometz: There's also things like https://chisel.eecs.berkeley.edu/ (based on scala)
2017-03-05T11:48:50 < Kliment_> barometz: See also https://hackaday.com/2012/06/11/programming-fpgas-with-python/
2017-03-05T11:48:53 < zyp> I've tried migen, it doesn't seem so bad
2017-03-05T11:50:48 < Kliment_> myhdl is a python lib that allows you to write HDL code using python syntax
2017-03-05T11:50:57 < Kliment_> It's fairly decent
2017-03-05T11:51:19 < Kliment_> and it outputs verilog or vhdl
2017-03-05T11:51:57 < zyp> yeah, I've looked at that too
2017-03-05T11:52:11 < zyp> but IIRC it didn't really look as useful as migen
2017-03-05T11:52:29 < Kliment_> it's not
2017-03-05T11:52:38 < Kliment_> But shorter learning curve
2017-03-05T11:52:42 < zyp> true
2017-03-05T11:53:11 < Kliment_> There's also a python implementation that generates a core on the FPGA that runs micropython
2017-03-05T11:53:37 < zyp> migen doesn't really map python to hdl, it's more a matter of using python as a scripting language to instance and connect modules
2017-03-05T11:54:07 < zyp> but the whole module and bus stuff they have makes building complex stuff fairly easy
2017-03-05T11:54:47 < Kliment_> Yeah, that's an advantage of myhdl modules as well - you can actually write reusable hdl
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2017-03-05T11:55:25 < zyp> the thing I don't like too much about verilog/vhdl is the verbosity
2017-03-05T11:55:33 < Kliment> Yeah
2017-03-05T11:55:37 < zyp> lots of code required to do fairly simple stuff
2017-03-05T11:55:37 < Kliment> It's frustrating
2017-03-05T11:55:41 < zyp> it's kinda like writing assembly
2017-03-05T11:55:46 < Kliment> And it means it's hard to reuse code
2017-03-05T11:55:57 < Kliment> Since you have to change things in multiple places
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2017-03-05T12:15:41 < stm32> TDK
2017-03-05T12:15:44 < stm32> N87\
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2017-03-05T12:25:22 < stm32> <stm32> how do i make 10kw smps
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2017-03-05T12:37:12 < dongs> https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/03/03/xiaomi-walkie-talkie-hands-images-fresh-box/ wtf
2017-03-05T12:37:23 < dongs>  and works fine within a range of 10km apart and also has GPS functionality. It has a UHF frequency range of 403-470MHz, and VHF frequency range of 136-174MHz
2017-03-05T12:37:35 < dongs> i wonder how many watts
2017-03-05T12:37:48 < stm32> fag
2017-03-05T12:42:38 < stm32> dongs mate
2017-03-05T12:43:00 < stm32> where are those pumpers
2017-03-05T12:43:11 < dongs> pumping
2017-03-05T12:43:25 < stm32> fuck man
2017-03-05T12:43:28 < stm32> always pumping
2017-03-05T12:43:36 < stm32> i'm trying to switch
2017-03-05T12:43:44 < stm32> switch mode
2017-03-05T12:44:15 < stm32> i wanna break the 10kW 
2017-03-05T12:44:35 < dongs> http://www.mi.com/mj-interphone/specs/
2017-03-05T12:44:36 < dongs> hmm
2017-03-05T12:44:56 < dongs> 0.5W/2W
2017-03-05T12:45:06 < stm32> sweet
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2017-03-05T12:47:06 < stm32> dongs
2017-03-05T12:47:10 < dongs> yes
2017-03-05T12:47:37 < stm32> hmmm power 
2017-03-05T12:48:00 < dongs> powered dongs
2017-03-05T12:48:11 < stm32> big SMPS
2017-03-05T12:48:14 < dongs> this dumb fucking device i have to interface wiht
2017-03-05T12:48:21 < stm32> any cunt an eggspert here
2017-03-05T12:48:26 < dongs> it wants supply of "7 to 16V"
2017-03-05T12:48:37 < dongs> because it has a fucking linear regulator (probably a fucking 7805)
2017-03-05T12:48:37 < stm32> yeah'
2017-03-05T12:48:45 < stm32> right
2017-03-05T12:48:50 < dongs> and the manual warns
2017-03-05T12:48:58 < stm32> tell him you'll fix his poor design
2017-03-05T12:49:01 < dongs> "cuz dropout starts at 6.2V, if you want to power with 5V, it must be regulated
2017-03-05T12:49:08 < stm32> oh ffs
2017-03-05T12:49:11 < dongs> so that's also OK BUT
2017-03-05T12:49:16 < dongs> there's a fucking diode in there
2017-03-05T12:49:16 < stm32> zano spec
2017-03-05T12:49:24 < dongs> in front of the linear reg
2017-03-05T12:49:28 < stm32> tell him you'll fix it
2017-03-05T12:49:34 < dongs> so thats gonna drop anything from 0.2 to 0.5V or something depending on how trash it is
2017-03-05T12:49:38 < stm32> yes
2017-03-05T12:49:58 < stm32> it'd take what 5 mins to fix it
2017-03-05T12:50:01 < dongs> cant
2017-03-05T12:50:04 < ReadError>  seen them mi laptops
2017-03-05T12:50:04 < dongs> its some ancient thing from 2006
2017-03-05T12:50:08 < stm32> yeah thats a shame
2017-03-05T12:50:11 < ReadError> like macbook air clones
2017-03-05T12:50:15 < dongs> the connection to it
2017-03-05T12:50:19 < dongs> is fucking RJ11
2017-03-05T12:50:19 < stm32> o6 spec
2017-03-05T12:50:23 < stm32> lol
2017-03-05T12:50:32 < dongs> that carries this voltage shit and RS485
2017-03-05T12:50:36 < stm32> this is why i didn't get into the industry
2017-03-05T12:50:40 < dongs> the other end of the cable
2017-03-05T12:50:44 < stm32> too much legacy bullshit
2017-03-05T12:50:46 < dongs> has the 9V battery clip on it
2017-03-05T12:50:49 < stm32> ugh
2017-03-05T12:50:51 < dongs> thats how they EXPECT people to power it
2017-03-05T12:50:56 < dongs> kikes
2017-03-05T12:50:56 < stm32> filth filth filth filth filth filth 
2017-03-05T12:50:59 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-05T12:51:03 < stm32> yeah that too
2017-03-05T12:51:12 < stm32> i work with the kikes
2017-03-05T12:51:15 < stm32> every day
2017-03-05T12:51:28 < stm32> nice $30,000 speakers
2017-03-05T12:51:33 < stm32> nice $2000 amp rack
2017-03-05T12:51:39 < stm32> yeah i'll recone them
2017-03-05T12:51:42 < stm32> tell ya what mate
2017-03-05T12:52:00 < stm32> i'll see them in 10 weeks
2017-03-05T12:53:36 < sync_> "but muh events"
2017-03-05T12:53:43 < sync_> why don't they just rent the stuff
2017-03-05T12:53:56 < stm32> they do and the same shit happens to the suckers who rent it
2017-03-05T12:54:03 < stm32> they tend to use good amps
2017-03-05T12:54:08 < stm32> camco D power 7 etc
2017-03-05T12:54:16 < stm32> camco vortex 8
2017-03-05T12:54:17 < stm32> etc
2017-03-05T12:55:22 < sync_> ime rented stuff has been good
2017-03-05T12:55:27 < stm32> http://www.camcoaudio.com/d-power.html
2017-03-05T12:55:39 < sync_> there has been some shit but I just yell into the phone and ok stuff turns up
2017-03-05T12:55:49 < stm32> fair
2017-03-05T12:56:34 < dongs> more like cuckaudio
2017-03-05T12:56:39 < dongs> audiophile grade amps
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2017-03-05T12:56:46 < dongs> over 9000 watts PMPO
2017-03-05T12:56:49 < stm32> 0.1% thd?
2017-03-05T12:56:54 < stm32> no pmpo here
2017-03-05T12:57:13 < stm32> they are not pmpo ratings
2017-03-05T12:57:15 < stm32> no rms either
2017-03-05T12:57:54 < stm32> but they will deliver the peaks 
2017-03-05T13:01:56 < dongs> 9000W pmpo is like 10W rms isnt it
2017-03-05T13:02:05 < stm32> prolly
2017-03-05T13:02:06 < dongs> but 9000 looks way better
2017-03-05T13:02:11 < stm32> id explain 
2017-03-05T13:02:21 < stm32> but
2017-03-05T13:02:23 < stm32> meh
2017-03-05T13:02:24 < dongs> too stoned
2017-03-05T13:02:29 < stm32> gay shit anyway
2017-03-05T13:02:33 < stm32> marketing wankkk
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2017-03-05T13:04:46 < stm32> pmpo is peaks thats cannot even be imagined
2017-03-05T13:05:30 < stm32> like with the supply rails it is impossible
2017-03-05T13:10:42 < dongs> peaks so high, they're above the highest highs
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2017-03-05T13:14:19 < stm32> yea muscles
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2017-03-05T13:29:12 < dongs> donno wat todo
2017-03-05T13:29:24 < dongs> put a 12V->8V switcher for this fucking thing on the board
2017-03-05T13:29:34 < dongs> or give it 5V and hope 0.4V drop over diode doenst fuck it up
2017-03-05T13:29:54 < dongs> whatever MCU in that thing is absolute trash
2017-03-05T13:29:56 < dongs> 8bit @ 5MHz
2017-03-05T13:29:58 < dongs> some 8051??
2017-03-05T13:30:05 < dongs> 48k flash and 3.5k ram
2017-03-05T13:30:08 < dongs> what spec does that sound like
2017-03-05T13:30:29 < dongs> other than absolute trash spec, of course
2017-03-05T13:30:58 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/TMS370C759AFNT/TMS370C759AFNT-ND/1670320
2017-03-05T13:31:01 < dongs> oh gawd
2017-03-05T13:31:02 < stm32> trash it
2017-03-05T13:31:04 < dongs> this!?
2017-03-05T13:31:08 < dongs> TMS370 TMS370 Microcontroller IC 8-Bit 5MHz 48KB (48K x 8) OTP 68-PLCC (24.23x24.23)
2017-03-05T13:31:11 < dongs> haha wtf OTP
2017-03-05T13:31:37 < stm32> when was that put out, 30 years ago?
2017-03-05T13:31:42 < dongs> PLCC, so yes
2017-03-05T13:31:53 < dongs> Part Status: Obsolete
2017-03-05T13:31:55 < dongs> thanks, digikey
2017-03-05T13:31:59 < dongs> i couldnt guess
2017-03-05T13:33:07 < dongs> hmm
2017-03-05T13:33:12 < dongs> PDF claism 10bit adc
2017-03-05T13:33:16 < dongs> that TMS is 8bit
2017-03-05T13:33:41 < dongs> oh
2017-03-05T13:33:46 < dongs> looks like they have extenral 10bit adc
2017-03-05T13:33:48 < dongs> on SPI bus
2017-03-05T13:33:56 < dongs> not using the one on obsoletemcu
2017-03-05T13:35:06 < dongs> k gonna put a dc/dc for 7-8V output and a jumper to make it into 5V and save parts if that works
2017-03-05T13:36:34 < stm32> woot
2017-03-05T13:38:55 < Steffanx> Where is stvn?
2017-03-05T13:38:59 < dongs> +q'd
2017-03-05T13:41:00 < stm32> sup stfn
2017-03-05T13:43:41 < Steffanx> sky.
2017-03-05T13:43:52 < stm32> oh
2017-03-05T13:44:16 < stm32> how very true
2017-03-05T13:45:38 < stm32> how is your GNAA membership
2017-03-05T13:47:24 < dongs> expired
2017-03-05T13:48:53 < stm32>  global network associating autists
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2017-03-05T13:48:58 < stm32> gnaa
2017-03-05T13:49:28 < dongs> global network of autistic assholes
2017-03-05T13:49:41 < dongs> there's also SHOA
2017-03-05T13:49:45 < dongs> straight honkies of america
2017-03-05T13:50:31 < dongs> https://www.google.com/search?q=shoa+im+fukcin
2017-03-05T13:52:35 < stm32> lol
2017-03-05T13:53:05 < Steffanx> Do you get nostalgic when you think back at the time dongs? :P
2017-03-05T13:58:33 < dongs> hmm
2017-03-05T13:59:38 < ReadError> l0de mentioned tonight he wanted to revamp it
2017-03-05T13:59:41 < ReadError> he just needs u
2017-03-05T14:00:13 < dongs> WEBENCH® Designer
2017-03-05T14:00:14 < dongs> To view this page ensure that Adobe Flash Player version 10.2.0 or greater is installed. Here are your options:
2017-03-05T14:00:17 < dongs> fuck me
2017-03-05T14:00:25 < ReadError> new chrome shit?
2017-03-05T14:00:48 < ReadError> i had some fuckin video player pull some shit on me for that
2017-03-05T14:02:37 < dongs> yah.
2017-03-05T14:02:40 < dongs> had to naenable
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2017-03-05T15:28:07 < Laurenceb> sup crt
2017-03-05T15:29:15 < Laurenceb> try the black power electronics instead
2017-03-05T15:30:36 < Laurenceb> once you go black you'll never go back
2017-03-05T15:39:21 < englishman> Steffanx: yeah, its a new product, i got an early one, and i sent them some bug reports, so they are sending me $$$freeshit$$$
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2017-03-05T15:40:01 < englishman> hello
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2017-03-05T15:45:38 < englishman> crt: http://imgur.com/a/Eglr4
2017-03-05T15:47:21 < dongs> englishman: whats the L+C filter for max amaze
2017-03-05T15:47:24 < dongs> 220uh/220uF?
2017-03-05T15:47:29 < englishman> wut
2017-03-05T15:47:33 < englishman> o
2017-03-05T15:47:36 < englishman> for some compact power shit
2017-03-05T15:47:54 < dongs> right, i mean, what should I use
2017-03-05T15:48:06 < dongs> its not like anyone actually CALCULATES those right
2017-03-05T15:48:10 < englishman> depends on voltage and component area
2017-03-05T15:48:12 < englishman> i do, fucker
2017-03-05T15:48:17 < dongs> 5V
2017-03-05T15:48:22 < dongs> area: any
2017-03-05T15:48:29 < englishman> its like 1 second on casio.exe
2017-03-05T15:48:38 < englishman> what frequency do you want to attenuate
2017-03-05T15:48:42 < dongs> all
2017-03-05T15:48:50 < englishman> i suggest dc optoisolator
2017-03-05T15:49:03 < dongs> no, it needs to pass like 1A arond
2017-03-05T15:49:31 < dongs> im not even sure i need this shit
2017-03-05T15:49:38 < dongs> because.. 5V comes from isolated dc/dc supply already
2017-03-05T15:49:44 < englishman> i used 220uH/100uF on doge which was like 1khz iirc
2017-03-05T15:49:50 < dongs> if there was any crap on the input
2017-03-05T15:49:56 < dongs> i hope its gone by the time it gets to the output yea?
2017-03-05T15:50:03 < englishman> depends
2017-03-05T15:50:39 < dongs> i should probly pick the 5V supply now and just read its datasheet
2017-03-05T15:50:42 < englishman> ask him a question https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/5xli3d/hi_im_bunnie_author_of_the_the_hardware_hacker/
2017-03-05T15:50:55 < englishman> i dono why hes blogging in netsec
2017-03-05T15:50:57 < dongs> he should just kill himself
2017-03-05T15:51:07 < dongs> hoyl fuck netsec, thats gotta be a cesspool of faggots
2017-03-05T15:52:19 < dongs> bunnievorpal? what teh fuck is that
2017-03-05T15:52:37 < dongs> i'm pertty sure you got trolled there englishman , user for 9 hours
2017-03-05T15:52:54 < englishman> i dono, i didnt post it
2017-03-05T15:53:06 < dongs> self-promoting wikipedo link is wrong too
2017-03-05T15:53:10 < dongs> i/d say 9/10 troll
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2017-03-05T15:54:13 < englishman> reported
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2017-03-05T15:55:37 < englishman> dongs do you know stm32l052k6t prices
2017-03-05T15:55:41 < englishman> are there any l0 in china
2017-03-05T15:56:01 < dongs> k6 is qfn? or qfp32
2017-03-05T15:56:08 < englishman> qfp32
2017-03-05T15:56:12 < dongs> yea no
2017-03-05T15:56:19 < dongs> is that the shit on those Silabs modules?
2017-03-05T15:56:19 < englishman> but they have qfn? doesnt matter to me
2017-03-05T15:56:25 < englishman> no thats stm8
2017-03-05T15:56:30 < dongs> oh right, sorry im stoned
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2017-03-05T15:56:34 < dongs> i can query tomrorow.
2017-03-05T15:56:37 < englishman> thx
2017-03-05T15:56:41 < englishman> any small package l0
2017-03-05T15:56:49 < englishman> that has touchsense
2017-03-05T15:57:12 < dongs> i think you're looking for ATTINY with QTouch
2017-03-05T15:57:32 < englishman> how many picoamps does that draw in sleep
2017-03-05T15:58:41 < dongs> https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4782
2017-03-05T15:58:45 < dongs> god damn waht a fucking wanker
2017-03-05T15:58:54 < dongs> bunnie huang? more like bunnie wang
2017-03-05T16:00:44 < Laurenceb> holy shit lol
2017-03-05T16:00:51 < Laurenceb> he's like the next Trump
2017-03-05T16:00:56 < englishman> do you like the new nintendo dongs http://i.imgur.com/s0DNUvU.jpg
2017-03-05T16:01:00 < dongs> hes just a fucking poser wanker
2017-03-05T16:01:16 < dongs> is that the nintendo VR solution
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2017-03-05T16:03:31 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icqPHsNumuU
2017-03-05T16:05:09 < dongs> search aliexpress for 5V DC/DC isolated
2017-03-05T16:05:16 < dongs> every fuckign result: 220V AC>DC modules
2017-03-05T16:07:03 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/dcdc/2027955009.html heh i used these in the DMX controller
2017-03-05T16:07:25 < englishman> this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHEJ6fURMUg
2017-03-05T16:08:07 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/getting-closed/1841585824.html
2017-03-05T16:08:28 < dongs> wait wat
2017-03-05T16:08:30 < dongs> its a stepup
2017-03-05T16:09:05 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQFCHKn7GBs
2017-03-05T16:09:22 < dongs> i dont even know why i click Laurenceb or englishman youtube links
2017-03-05T16:09:25 < dongs> they're all obviously garbage
2017-03-05T16:09:49 < Steffanx> ah ok englishman :)
2017-03-05T16:12:50 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU4byhwRyaw
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2017-03-05T16:20:41 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/noisy/32766867006.html haha
2017-03-05T16:21:46 < Laurenceb> thats kind of cheap
2017-03-05T16:22:02 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/fucking_lol/32591805422.html
2017-03-05T16:22:21 < dongs> for those times when you can't find a TO-220 LM7805
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2017-03-05T16:36:55 < dongs> anyone ever used LM2622
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2017-03-05T16:37:37 < englishman> whats special about it
2017-03-05T16:38:01 < englishman> hm 2.7->8V thats strange
2017-03-05T16:38:03 < dongs> i donno im looking for low-parts-count 8-9V boost
2017-03-05T16:38:04 < karlp> dongs: got a oem reference for that bo505s?
2017-03-05T16:38:07 < englishman> datasheet from 2000
2017-03-05T16:38:09 < englishman> should be good
2017-03-05T16:38:17 < dongs> karlp: they're cloned by liek 10 different makers
2017-03-05T16:38:22 < dongs> i got uh...
2017-03-05T16:38:37 < karlp> I'm just finding "alldatasheet" sort of links
2017-03-05T16:38:45 < dongs> CRE1S 0505SC with a logo that looks like M+ inside a C
2017-03-05T16:38:49 < dongs> i think its some gook maker
2017-03-05T16:38:54 < dongs> lemem see that project folder about a datasheet
2017-03-05T16:39:17 < englishman> why are you using premade boost converters
2017-03-05T16:39:19 < englishman> pros use 555
2017-03-05T16:39:47 < dongs> karlp: http://www.filedropper.com/showdownload.php/b0505s-1w this is what i was given
2017-03-05T16:40:04 < elektrinis> hi
2017-03-05T16:40:06 < dongs> but obviosuly the one i got on the board is not from them
2017-03-05T16:40:23 < elektrinis> anyone have ideas how can I get 10mbps wireless up to 10 meters without latency?
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2017-03-05T16:40:28 < elektrinis> for uart
2017-03-05T16:40:37 < dongs> ronja
2017-03-05T16:40:51 < dongs> hm no thats not what its called
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2017-03-05T16:40:54 < dongs> what the fuck is that polish thing
2017-03-05T16:41:00 < Laurenceb> something like that
2017-03-05T16:41:09 < Laurenceb> yeah 10mbps unlicensed is hard
2017-03-05T16:41:11 < dongs> http://ronja.twibright.com/ no it is that
2017-03-05T16:41:18 < Laurenceb> probably some sort of wifi system would work
2017-03-05T16:42:50 < dongs> http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/electronics/twister2/dscn1651.jpg
2017-03-05T16:42:50 < dongs> lul
2017-03-05T16:43:00 < dongs> some fucking pro PCBing right there
2017-03-05T16:43:28 < dongs> wait waht
2017-03-05T16:43:34 < dongs> his DB9 shits didnt fit into that metal thing
2017-03-05T16:43:37 < dongs> so he drilled out the tops
2017-03-05T16:43:40 < dongs> put the pcb in
2017-03-05T16:43:44 < dongs> then soldered the tops back in
2017-03-05T16:44:53 < dongs> ISA cards bring usually reduced speed due to ISA bus limitations. They are also less reliable: ISA bus hasn't gold-plated contacts, PCI has.
2017-03-05T16:45:09 < dongs> < englishman> why are you using premade boost converters
2017-03-05T16:45:12 < dongs> i want shit that works
2017-03-05T16:46:01 < Laurenceb> photodiodes are a poor choice
2017-03-05T16:46:10 < Laurenceb> I still want to make ronja clone with sensl shits
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2017-03-05T16:47:29 < dongs> karlp: i think those are used for powering isolated side of RS485 shits
2017-03-05T16:47:53 < dongs> all low current junk
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2017-03-05T16:54:02 < englishman> that's pretty neat
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2017-03-05T17:06:13 < Laurenceb> not as neat as http://sensl.com/products/
2017-03-05T17:06:17 < Laurenceb> thats hawt shit
2017-03-05T17:06:43 < Laurenceb> I'm kind of tempted to do a ronja properly, but even then it would still be shit due to all the stray light
2017-03-05T17:08:02 < dongs> do it and get on front page of hackaday
2017-03-05T17:08:05 < dongs> right behind upgrdman
2017-03-05T17:10:14 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-03-05T17:10:22 < Laurenceb> where is upgrdman on hackaday?
2017-03-05T17:11:25 < Steffanx>  he is on had too? only seen adafruit
2017-03-05T17:11:26 < dongs> he was on adafruit
2017-03-05T17:11:38 < dongs> hackaday is next goal
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2017-03-05T17:14:58 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/selfly/selfly-camera-the-smart-flying-phone-case-camera
2017-03-05T17:15:08 < englishman> 800k
2017-03-05T17:15:19 < englishman> thats more than i made this month
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2017-03-05T17:18:41 < Fleck> what are you kickstarting englishman?
2017-03-05T17:18:44 < englishman> Hagay is an orthodontist by day and holds a DMD and BA in Orthodontics.
2017-03-05T17:19:01 < englishman> so he doesnt even need an extra 800k
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2017-03-05T17:23:00 < Steffanx> Why peopel still fall for this
2017-03-05T17:29:31 < dongs> retarded chinese resell
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2017-03-05T17:31:21 < Lux> not another zano incoming ?
2017-03-05T17:32:13 < dongs> nah its just gonna be shit
2017-03-05T17:32:24 < Lux> that too
2017-03-05T17:32:25 < dongs> these dudes arent even trying to claim they're designing anything
2017-03-05T17:33:06 < Lux> yeah from the video it looks like they are using some crap chinese camera
2017-03-05T17:33:37 < Lux> maybe some cx-10w redesign
2017-03-05T17:33:51 < dongs> for sure, it is the same garbage video module
2017-03-05T17:33:58 < dongs> i am still curious what shitty SoC that uses
2017-03-05T17:34:01 < Lux> but that would still be unusable
2017-03-05T17:34:01 < dongs> its literally single chip thing
2017-03-05T17:34:03 < dongs> with liek 2-3 caps around it
2017-03-05T17:34:14 < dongs> parallel camera in, wifi out
2017-03-05T17:34:28 < dongs> (no, wifi is some marvell module shite)
2017-03-05T17:34:38 < dongs> so the camera if thing is some sdio/wahtever shit
2017-03-05T17:38:51 < Lux> hard to tell what they are actually using, looks like it does optical flow and ultrasonic too
2017-03-05T17:39:55 < dongs> plz
2017-03-05T17:40:00 < dongs> it doesnt do any of that
2017-03-05T17:40:25 < dongs> thisd is literally guys of cx30w or whatever in a even shittier lookign case
2017-03-05T17:40:30 < dongs> er guts
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2017-03-05T17:45:35 < Steffanx> Can't really read the text on the pcbs but i wouldnt be surprised if it actually said CX[SOMETHING]
2017-03-05T17:49:59 < Steffanx> but yeah.. its too simular :D
2017-03-05T17:51:43 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/a/AbmSp exactly that :)
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2017-03-05T17:52:43 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/a/KCK7I
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2017-03-05T17:53:38 < sync_> it is the same
2017-03-05T18:00:39 < Lux> classic fake cutouts for optical flow :)
2017-03-05T18:01:05 < Lux> another fakestarter...
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2017-03-05T18:15:00 < dongs> Steffanx: haha
2017-03-05T18:15:12 < dongs> is that their 'proto"?
2017-03-05T18:15:21 < dongs> QC passed sticker on a prototype, fucking pro as fuck
2017-03-05T18:15:30 < dongs> i didn't even watch that video and i knew it was a CX clone
2017-03-05T18:29:09 < Laurenceb> sync_: did you see my gif from yesterday?
2017-03-05T18:30:53 < sync_> neg
2017-03-05T18:32:33 < Laurenceb> https://gfycat.com/SaneVengefulKakarikis
2017-03-05T18:32:38 < Laurenceb> close to working
2017-03-05T18:33:26 < dongs> is dat sum emdrive
2017-03-05T18:33:34 < dongs> how many fps is that
2017-03-05T18:34:22 < Laurenceb> 240
2017-03-05T18:34:52 < Laurenceb> whole clip is just over 1 second real time
2017-03-05T18:36:17 < Laurenceb> looks like a chunk of copper off the igniter jammed in the nozzle
2017-03-05T18:36:58 < englishman> lol Steffanx 
2017-03-05T18:37:28 < englishman> has anyone used TPS2552
2017-03-05T18:37:32 < Laurenceb> only 2 of the six vanes had any gas flow, they burnt through and it failed
2017-03-05T18:37:41 < englishman> this shit is failing left and right
2017-03-05T18:37:57 < dongs> didnt Ecco just buy a evalboard for this
2017-03-05T18:38:00 < aandrew> Laurenceb: looks pretty wild
2017-03-05T18:38:15 < aandrew> is that the "try to spin the rocket before launch" approach?
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2017-03-05T18:38:27 < Laurenceb> aandrew: nah, rocket spins itself
2017-03-05T18:38:36 < aandrew> it looked like it was spinning before it took off
2017-03-05T18:38:41 < Laurenceb> using detaching vanes
2017-03-05T18:38:58 < Laurenceb> yeah it had a little spin inside the tube, but that was about 4% of final spin rate
2017-03-05T18:39:38 < englishman> thats cool laurent, it hit the launcher but was already stable enough to keep its heading
2017-03-05T18:40:08 < Laurenceb> theres some sort of batshit insane flow separation effect going on, causing vertical thrust to be negative when the vanes are on
2017-03-05T18:40:22 < Laurenceb> it seems impossible but the evidence speaks for itself
2017-03-05T18:40:52 < aandrew> so how do the deteachable vanes work, wouldn't vanes need forward motion before they impart any spin?
2017-03-05T18:42:10 < Laurenceb> https://ibin.co/3EXB4V4l77zp.png
2017-03-05T18:42:16 < aandrew> if I am seeing it correctly it looks like hte vanes fall off when the main rocket is ignited
2017-03-05T18:42:24 < Laurenceb> rocket exhaust comes down the center
2017-03-05T18:43:06 < Laurenceb> the main rocket is ingited in the tube, fires itself out of the tube, then the vanes spin it up and centrifugal force separates the vanes
2017-03-05T18:43:07 < aandrew> I remember seeing some prototype of that last week I think where you were using a wire "figure 8" to break apart after some amount of acceleration
2017-03-05T18:43:16 < Laurenceb> yeah thats on the bottom of the vanes
2017-03-05T18:43:24 < Laurenceb> now I have 0 chance of patenting this shit lol
2017-03-05T18:44:00 < aandrew> how so? is the patent system so fucked up that your own videos/etc consist of prior art?
2017-03-05T18:44:18 < Laurenceb> I've revealed how it works before patenting
2017-03-05T18:44:59 < aandrew> is the tube stationary or is the camera+tube on something already moving? I thought htis was on a pole on the ground
2017-03-05T18:45:02 < Laurenceb> anyway, looks like there are 2 problems: 1) igniter is a pita, fixed with match tape 2) need to work out the flow effects
2017-03-05T18:45:21 < Laurenceb> yeah tube is on a CF pole, that will stick out from the balloon payload
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2017-03-05T18:46:08 < aandrew> hm, it's hard to tell how fast the rocket is going coming out of the tube, it looks like it more or less falls out rather than launched :-)
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2017-03-05T18:46:17 < Laurenceb> well - more accurately a CF tube spaceframe
2017-03-05T18:46:23 < aandrew> it's pretty cool, sorry I'm not more than a cheerleader here
2017-03-05T18:46:38 < Laurenceb> aandrew: yeah it only comes out at about 3m/s at SLP
2017-03-05T18:46:45 < Laurenceb> at altitude it'll be faster
2017-03-05T18:48:02 < Laurenceb> but that should be fine - the reason it hits the launcher is that the vertical thrust is reversed by the vanes
2017-03-05T18:48:05 < fenugrec> vanes look pretty agressive for the amount of rotational momentum you want
2017-03-05T18:48:29 < aandrew> so those vanes, with exhaust coming through the middle of it, you're planning on the vanes melting? gave up on the wire "fuse" ?
2017-03-05T18:48:57 < Laurenceb> nah still using wire fuse
2017-03-05T18:49:17 < Laurenceb> fenugrec: the vanes have to be as aggressive as physically possible to get less precession
2017-03-05T18:50:14 < Laurenceb> seems they worked quite well as there was only about 20degrees tip off even with all but 2 vanes blocked
2017-03-05T18:52:02 < Laurenceb> but the vanes with the majority of the flow burn through too quickly and the whole vane thing rips off the side, causing some bad precession before it hits the tube from below
2017-03-05T18:53:27 < englishman> how is it possible that this tps2552 fails so bad
2017-03-05T18:53:31 < englishman> but only on one side of this board
2017-03-05T18:53:46 < dongs> one.. side?
2017-03-05T18:53:46 < englishman> i tested its load, its like 100mA max
2017-03-05T18:53:50 < englishman> and its set for 1200mA
2017-03-05T18:53:53 < Laurenceb> thermal something?
2017-03-05T18:53:58 < englishman> cam shows nothing
2017-03-05T18:54:07 < englishman> its fault pin shows no fault
2017-03-05T18:54:12 < dongs> is it tripping?
2017-03-05T18:54:13 < englishman> but i get 0-600mV on the output
2017-03-05T18:54:14 < dongs> oh
2017-03-05T18:54:14 < englishman> no
2017-03-05T18:55:01 < englishman> even without the load and just usb caps and esd
2017-03-05T18:55:05 < Laurenceb> solder on a new one?
2017-03-05T18:55:05 < englishman> one doesnt even have esd
2017-03-05T18:55:10 < englishman> i dont have any :'(
2017-03-05T18:55:17 < englishman> earliest would be tuesday
2017-03-05T18:55:31  * Laurenceb works next door to RS
2017-03-05T18:55:42 < englishman> i work next door to arrow and future
2017-03-05T18:55:52 < englishman> but they arent interested in selling parts or even talking to me on the phone
2017-03-05T18:55:55 < Laurenceb> doh
2017-03-05T18:55:58 < englishman> my sales office is in halifax
2017-03-05T18:56:04 < Laurenceb> RS have a sales counter
2017-03-05T18:56:39 < englishman> on the other usbport everything is fine
2017-03-05T18:56:45 < englishman> pretty sure client fucked these up
2017-03-05T18:58:45 < englishman> but how
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2017-03-05T19:07:51 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/TU3Ov52
2017-03-05T19:10:43 < dongs> englishman: cutoff set by resistors?
2017-03-05T19:10:48 < dongs> did they mount correct one on both sides?
2017-03-05T19:10:54 < englishman> yeah
2017-03-05T19:10:57 < englishman> chip marking is good
2017-03-05T19:11:01 < englishman> cutoff set properly
2017-03-05T19:11:13 < englishman> and anyway this is the current limiting one not the latching
2017-03-05T19:11:21 < englishman> so it should at least fill the caps to 5v
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2017-03-05T19:21:00 < dongs> fuck
2017-03-05T19:21:09 < dongs> ctrl+a+c+v'd a part out of vault
2017-03-05T19:21:13 < dongs> ONLY the drawing
2017-03-05T19:21:30 < dongs> it still fails to assign pins
2017-03-05T19:21:34 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/Ivrdh4h.jpg
2017-03-05T19:21:36 < dongs> despite both footprint and symbol having same numbers
2017-03-05T19:22:03 < dongs> im actually kinda lost waht the fuck could be wrong
2017-03-05T19:22:23 < englishman> yeah
2017-03-05T19:22:30 < englishman> it has thermal shutdown
2017-03-05T19:22:37 < englishman> im pretty clueless
2017-03-05T19:22:44 < englishman> esd diodes are around
2017-03-05T19:22:50 < englishman> like wtf
2017-03-05T19:22:57 < Thorn> how do I connect the otg (microusb) interfaces on 2 discovery boards and which one is going to be the host?
2017-03-05T19:23:15 < dongs> thorn, the one whose ID pin is saying its a host
2017-03-05T19:23:34 < dongs> and the one providing 5V on it
2017-03-05T19:24:41 < Thorn> ok apparently there are microusb to microusb cables
2017-03-05T19:24:50 < dongs> sure
2017-03-05T19:24:57 < dongs> my thermapp came with liek 3 of htem
2017-03-05T19:25:16 < Thorn> are both plugs identical?
2017-03-05T19:25:20 < dongs> yes
2017-03-05T19:25:22 < Steffanx> Yeah dongs, that's a screenshot from the "Development Process" video.
2017-03-05T19:25:29 < dongs> Steffanx: thats awesome
2017-03-05T19:25:30 < Thorn> (what about the ID pin
2017-03-05T19:25:39 < dongs> Thorn: its connceted 
2017-03-05T19:25:51 < Steffanx> and photo is aliexpress photo
2017-03-05T19:26:45 < dongs> fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk whats wrong with altidumb god damn
2017-03-05T19:26:49 < dongs> also /hitwtc vault
2017-03-05T19:27:53 < dongs> ...
2017-03-05T19:28:01 < dongs> apparently when you click "validate" in ECO
2017-03-05T19:28:11 < dongs> that doesn't mean "actually do what 'execute' will do"
2017-03-05T19:28:18 < dongs> but means "randonmly show errors to confuse user"
2017-03-05T19:31:42 < englishman> Applies to: Nintendo Switch
2017-03-05T19:31:42 < englishman> Small numbers of stuck or dead pixels are a characteristic of LCD screens. These are normal and should not be considered a defect.
2017-03-05T19:32:05 < englishman> i thought this battle had been fought and won
2017-03-05T19:32:08 < dongs> isnt nintendo ditch like 480p
2017-03-05T19:32:19 < dongs> when theres only 10 pixels to look at, 1 dead one is clearly visible
2017-03-05T19:32:35 < dongs> like, I'm sure there's a dead pixel in my 4K dell
2017-03-05T19:32:40 < dongs> even tho i've never seen it
2017-03-05T19:32:58 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/lY9tp6a.jpg
2017-03-05T19:33:19 < dongs> what is that
2017-03-05T19:33:21 < englishman> 6" 720p
2017-03-05T19:33:23 < englishman> a switch
2017-03-05T19:33:39 < dongs> why is there shit smeared
2017-03-05T19:33:41 < dongs> on the bottom
2017-03-05T19:33:44 < englishman> dixels
2017-03-05T19:33:49 < dongs> dead pixels?
2017-03-05T19:33:53 < englishman> yes
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2017-03-05T19:35:29 < Steffanx> That's not dead pixels that is a fucking defective screen.
2017-03-05T19:37:11 < aandrew> what's the deal with the switch
2017-03-05T19:37:26 < aandrew> is it not a rather big gameboy that you can dock and play on a tv?
2017-03-05T19:37:53 < aandrew> also, anyone here use that GD32 processor? I heard about it but haven't read much more
2017-03-05T19:38:06 < Steffanx> corecode ^^
2017-03-05T19:39:18 < scrts> good afternoon sirs
2017-03-05T19:39:33 < Steffanx> Hello fellow Sir.
2017-03-05T19:46:29 < englishman> "the 1800x is a disappointment and not a processor we can recommend to gamers at its price point" -> gets death threats
2017-03-05T19:52:48 < branjb> why would an i2c slave be returning all 0's for reads?
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2017-03-05T20:03:52 < Laurenceb> because it was emancipated
2017-03-05T20:06:48 < branjb> o
2017-03-05T20:07:55 < dongs> branjb: check if its black
2017-03-05T20:08:20 < dongs> also: how do you know its returning zeros
2017-03-05T20:08:30 < branjb> scope
2017-03-05T20:08:39 < branjb> and gdb
2017-03-05T20:09:24 < branjb> it sends ack though when it is addressed
2017-03-05T20:09:25 < branjb> so idk
2017-03-05T20:09:30 < branjb> maybe all the regs are 0?
2017-03-05T20:09:41 < branjb> it's a MPU6050
2017-03-05T20:09:55 < dongs> read the WHOAMI reg
2017-03-05T20:10:02 < dongs> that one is known data.
2017-03-05T20:10:24 < branjb> ya
2017-03-05T20:10:27 < branjb> it comes back correct
2017-03-05T20:10:29 < branjb> 0x34
2017-03-05T20:10:34 < dongs> then wheres the problem
2017-03-05T20:10:42 < branjb> when i read the sensor data
2017-03-05T20:10:43 < branjb> it says 0
2017-03-05T20:10:48 < dongs> well duh
2017-03-05T20:11:16 < aandrew> is it in low power or reset or someshit
2017-03-05T20:11:24 < branjb> wait
2017-03-05T20:11:32 < branjb> lmao
2017-03-05T20:11:36 < dongs> ^ dongs
2017-03-05T20:11:37 < branjb> it reads 0 because it's at rest
2017-03-05T20:11:39 < branjb> rip
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2017-03-05T20:15:46 < englishman> STM32L052K6T has two pins "powered by vdd_usb" but there is no vdd_usb pin on that package
2017-03-05T20:21:37 < zyp> then vdd_usb is internally connected, read the datasheet
2017-03-05T20:21:56 < englishman> yeah im looking for where it says that explicitly
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2017-03-05T20:22:41 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcTVPZ2UtZVdsdUU/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-05T20:22:44 < englishman> i mean of course i assume that its connected internally
2017-03-05T20:23:24 < Steffanx> Why you draw crappy things on this nice vehicle thing kakimir?
2017-03-05T20:23:57 < kakimir> year model 2016
2017-03-05T20:24:03 < kakimir> not mine
2017-03-05T20:24:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/aVw0tvc.png sup
2017-03-05T20:24:22 < emeb_mac> gah - my FB is now full of flashlights thanks to ohsix 
2017-03-05T20:24:22 < kakimir> owners mentality is that you need to fuck it before you drive it
2017-03-05T20:24:40 < dongs> emeb_mac: disable third party cookies in chrome
2017-03-05T20:24:44 < dongs> (or wahtever browser)
2017-03-05T20:24:53 < Steffanx> facebook.. ohsix. What?
2017-03-05T20:24:55 < dongs> solved amp!six problems for me
2017-03-05T20:24:55 < kakimir> so that when you do the "oops" you don't feel bad
2017-03-05T20:25:42 < Steffanx> You clicked on all those links emeb_mac?
2017-03-05T20:25:45 < zyp> englishman, hmm, it doesn't say that, but the qfp32 and qfn32 footprints doesn't specify that any pins are supplied by vdd_usb either
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2017-03-05T20:25:54 < emeb_mac> Steffanx: just one
2017-03-05T20:25:59 < englishman> yeah, its just in the pin table
2017-03-05T20:26:05 < emeb_mac> but that's all it took
2017-03-05T20:26:08 < zyp> so it's more like it doesn't exist, which is the same thing
2017-03-05T20:26:27 < englishman> well, there's no other notes that VDD has to be more than 3V for usb to work
2017-03-05T20:26:28 < emeb_mac> seems that whatever I look at on ebay shows up in FB soon after
2017-03-05T20:26:36 < englishman> when VDD = VDD_USB
2017-03-05T20:26:37 < zyp> in practice, I assume it's all same die, so I assume the vdd_usb pads on the die is bonded to some of the normal vdd pins
2017-03-05T20:26:45 < aandrew> looks like dongs has used gd32: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/gd32-stm32.comparison
2017-03-05T20:26:46 < englishman> yeah
2017-03-05T20:26:47 < emeb_mac> funny to get ads for A/D converter chips
2017-03-05T20:27:02 < englishman> but: assuming anything about ST = might as well seppuku
2017-03-05T20:27:23 < englishman> maybe some estonian intern left that net tie off
2017-03-05T20:27:25 < zyp> emeb_mac, I get a bunch of ads for TI chips on my workpc
2017-03-05T20:27:59 < Steffanx> I always get ads about crap i looked up at farnell -_-
2017-03-05T20:28:10 < emeb_mac> zyp: yeah. sometimes digi-key stuff shows up too
2017-03-05T20:28:14 < zyp> which reminds me I should probably install adblock at work too
2017-03-05T20:28:29 < emeb_mac> +1e38 for adblock
2017-03-05T20:29:24 < Steffanx> +∞  for ublock origin
2017-03-05T20:29:49 < emeb_mac> so I tweeted that 14-bit ADC board yesterday. Oshpark retweeted and now I'm getting a steady stream of likes and retweets. Wonder if those retweeters ever do anything except just retweet
2017-03-05T20:30:14 < Steffanx> emeb does twatter?
2017-03-05T20:30:18 < dongs> > twitter
2017-03-05T20:30:20 < dongs> > something useful
2017-03-05T20:30:22 < dongs> pick 1
2017-03-05T20:30:46 < dongs> isnt like 90% of twatter users just bots anyway
2017-03-05T20:30:50 < emeb_mac> I doubt I've every done anything really useful
2017-03-05T20:31:03 < Steffanx> I still use twitter as prefiltered rss feed. Works pretty ok for that
2017-03-05T20:31:29 < emeb_mac> yeah - guard your follows closely and it's not bad
2017-03-05T20:31:43 < emeb_mac> don't just follow anything
2017-03-05T20:32:16 < zyp> I just use irc to filter shit, most interesting stuff get mentioned around somewhere or another
2017-03-05T20:32:26 < dongs> pretty much
2017-03-05T20:32:37 < dongs> keep amp!six on ignore, and you'll only get REALLY interesting stuff
2017-03-05T20:32:52 < zyp> haha
2017-03-05T20:33:03 < dongs> (like lawrence/b/ links)
2017-03-05T20:33:04 < zyp> I don't have the impression he posts a lot of links
2017-03-05T20:33:09 < emeb_mac> lol - just followed by someone named steffan. Coincidence?
2017-03-05T20:33:15 < Steffanx> Not really.
2017-03-05T20:34:36 < dongs> my zanoconspiracy twitter is dead 
2017-03-05T20:35:34 < Steffanx> dead as in .. no longer posting stuff?
2017-03-05T20:35:38 < dongs> well yes
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2017-03-05T20:38:38 < kakimir> how hard do we code today?
2017-03-05T20:39:02 < ReadError> depends if u a jew or christian 
2017-03-05T20:39:14 < kakimir> jew
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2017-03-05T20:40:07 < kakimir> I have few things to autism about
2017-03-05T20:40:26 < kakimir> in my design
2017-03-05T20:42:01 < kakimir> instead of getting things done
2017-03-05T20:45:42 < scrts> dongs-> is there automated way for altium to pull pin names from a file when creating a lib component?
2017-03-05T20:45:55 < scrts> like I have pin numbers, names, type, etc
2017-03-05T20:45:59 < scrts> like a script or so
2017-03-05T20:46:05 < zyp> I've been wondering that too
2017-03-05T20:50:31 < kakimir> jpa-: are you around?
2017-03-05T20:57:11 < jpa-> yes
2017-03-05T21:04:56 < Steffanx> Beter be quick or he wont be kakimir :P
2017-03-05T21:07:31 < kakimir> oh I was doing all stupid stuff
2017-03-05T21:07:35 < kakimir> instead of irc
2017-03-05T21:07:43 < kakimir> jpa-: are you around?
2017-03-05T21:08:04 < jpa-> not anymore
2017-03-05T21:08:38 < kakimir> can you explain a little about your hardfault handler asm?
2017-03-05T21:08:47 < jpa-> maybe
2017-03-05T21:09:16 < kakimir> there is clearly three parts
2017-03-05T21:09:31 < kakimir> there is first line of asm - asm("mrs %0, msp" : "=r"(SP) : :);
2017-03-05T21:10:03 < kakimir> there is 8 lines of asm like - asm("str r4, %0" : "=m"(CRASHDATA.REGS[4]) : :);
2017-03-05T21:10:37 < kakimir> then there is 8 lines of such - CRASHDATA.REGS[0] = SP[0]
2017-03-05T21:11:03 < jpa-> (link for stalkers: https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/master/Runtime/debug.c#L118 )
2017-03-05T21:11:06 < jpa-> yeah, correct
2017-03-05T21:11:19 < kakimir> what does that first line of asm do and why?
2017-03-05T21:11:28 < jpa-> first line gets stack pointer from main stack (i'm using separate stack for interrupts)
2017-03-05T21:11:57 < jpa-> (well, it doesn't really matter whether i am or am not, it gets the main stack pointer anyway)
2017-03-05T21:12:13 < kakimir> and sets is to SP register?
2017-03-05T21:12:27 < jpa-> sets it to variable called 'SP'
2017-03-05T21:12:39 < kakimir> okay it's variable
2017-03-05T21:13:02 < kakimir> volatile?
2017-03-05T21:13:04 < jpa-> yeah, conveniently defined a few lines up so that it is harder to find
2017-03-05T21:13:23 < jpa-> nah, no need to use volatile there because it's not like anything will interrupt hardfault
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2017-03-05T21:15:19 < kakimir> but doesn't it then overwrite some registers you are trying to store
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2017-03-05T21:15:49 < kakimir> okay then why there is 2 types of store operations
2017-03-05T21:16:06 < kakimir> ones with asm (8registers) and ones with c (8registers)
2017-03-05T21:17:33 < jpa-> r0-r3 and r12-r15 are stored by hardware in the "exception stack frame"
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2017-03-05T21:18:17 < kakimir> and you need pointer there
2017-03-05T21:18:17 < jpa-> the mrs instruction might overwrite something, but generally GCC will use one of the arm-eabi scratchpad registers r0-r3 for that, so it doesn't matter because they are already stored on the stack
2017-03-05T21:18:30 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/YpjQzNm.jpg
2017-03-05T21:18:50 < jpa-> "get's"
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2017-03-05T21:22:03 < kakimir> are those registers that are stored in exception stack frame then unavailable or changed so that you don't copy them like the 8first ones
2017-03-05T21:22:26 < kakimir> or just because those might change?
2017-03-05T21:22:35 < jpa-> yes, atleast some of them are, for example PC and SP
2017-03-05T21:22:50 < jpa-> and LR
2017-03-05T21:23:00 < kakimir> so you copy the whole thing without discriminating any register
2017-03-05T21:23:26 < kakimir> I think I will not change it
2017-03-05T21:24:49 < kakimir> thanks for clearing it out for me jpa- 
2017-03-05T21:24:52 < jpa-> np
2017-03-05T21:28:09 < zyp> there's caller save and callee save registers in the ABI
2017-03-05T21:28:41 < zyp> the exception frame is saving all the caller save registers, so that ISRs can follow the standard function ABI and only save callee save registers
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2017-03-05T21:32:40 < kakimir> r4-r11 are callee save registers then by the ABI zyp?
2017-03-05T21:32:54 < Rob235> I have an asus rt-ac68u router, how can I use wifi for its wan connection?
2017-03-05T21:34:28 < ReadError> n e php'ers?
2017-03-05T21:34:35 < ReadError> https://hastebin.com/vavuwilama.xml
2017-03-05T21:34:55 < ReadError> curious if u know any way to decode this, just curious what it is
2017-03-05T21:35:02 < branjb> anyone switched between jlink usb and jlink openocd drivers?
2017-03-05T21:35:30 < kakimir> I assume you are not using genuine one branjb ?
2017-03-05T21:35:34 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-05T21:35:38 < branjb> the st-link one on a nucleo board
2017-03-05T21:35:50 < kakimir> sure you should actually change it right now
2017-03-05T21:35:58 < branjb> i set it up to be using the openocd driver and can't switch it back to jlink usb one
2017-03-05T21:36:18 < kakimir> zadig?
2017-03-05T21:36:40 < kakimir> you can switch drivers with it
2017-03-05T21:36:46 < branjb> good suggestion, let me try that
2017-03-05T21:37:04 < kakimir> to many things at least
2017-03-05T21:37:40 < kakimir> I assume openocd uses libusb or winusb thing
2017-03-05T21:38:04 < aandrew> yeah probably libusb
2017-03-05T21:38:07 < aandrew> tha'ts cross platform
2017-03-05T21:38:13 < branjb> thanks kakimir, that worked
2017-03-05T21:38:16 < ReadError> Rob235: client bridge mode
2017-03-05T21:38:44 < Rob235> thanks, should I go with new fw? openwrt?
2017-03-05T21:39:10 < ReadError> using asuswrt now?
2017-03-05T21:39:13 < kakimir> there is some alternative firmware for those asus boxes Rob235 
2017-03-05T21:39:23 < ReadError> just use merlin 
2017-03-05T21:39:25 < ReadError> or w/e 
2017-03-05T21:39:26 < Rob235> yea just stock fw, never messed with it
2017-03-05T21:39:28 < ReadError> works fine
2017-03-05T21:39:34 < ReadError> openwrt is a fucking gross mess
2017-03-05T21:39:35 < Rob235> shit gotta go, be back later
2017-03-05T21:39:41 < kakimir> merlin is nice
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2017-03-05T21:42:57 < kakimir> branjb: jlink firmware usually blanks pirate units just if you have any of those
2017-03-05T21:43:08 < kakimir> reflashing is boring
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2017-03-05T21:45:31 < ReadError> jlink edu is cheap 
2017-03-05T21:45:59 < branjb> the j-link support on the nucleo boards is official or something
2017-03-05T21:46:44 < ReadError> really?
2017-03-05T21:46:48 < ReadError> when did this happen
2017-03-05T21:46:50 < ReadError> thats nice
2017-03-05T21:47:25 < ReadError> i still use openocd w/ mine tho
2017-03-05T21:47:32 < ReadError> the jlink tools are pretty garbage
2017-03-05T21:48:31 < kakimir> I have had no problems
2017-03-05T21:53:57 < englishman> there's jlink fw for stdink since like last year? no benefits I guess except for different tools
2017-03-05T21:54:25 < englishman> which is good for odb users I suppose
2017-03-05T21:56:36 < ReadError> i just use the jlink because its faster 
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2017-03-05T22:03:31 < kakimir> 3Mbps
2017-03-05T22:11:59 < kakimir> how do I have pointer to list of pointers as parameter?
2017-03-05T22:12:04 < kakimir> int32_t ** ?
2017-03-05T22:12:11 < kakimir> *u
2017-03-05T22:14:17 < kakimir> yes
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2017-03-05T22:17:18 < branjb> hmm
2017-03-05T22:18:22 < branjb> trying to troubleshoot i2c on an imu, still only getting all 0's back.  scope shows the correct devAddr, IMU acks it, correct register address appears on scope, then IMU starts sending all 0's
2017-03-05T22:18:34 < branjb> what would you do next?
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2017-03-05T22:19:04 < ReadError> opendrain?
2017-03-05T22:19:08 < ReadError> #1
2017-03-05T22:19:32 < upgrdman> not sure if anyone would case, but i found this video series on the basics of networking helpful. goes from oscope probing some cat5 all the way to tcp packets.    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLowKtXNTBypH19whXTVoG3oKSuOcw_XeW
2017-03-05T22:19:38 < upgrdman> s/case/care
2017-03-05T22:20:39 < ReadError> spent way to fucking long one day dicking with I2C debugging just to find out the pins had not got set as OD
2017-03-05T22:20:44 < branjb> yeah it's set to OD
2017-03-05T22:20:46 < ReadError> now i 'member
2017-03-05T22:21:14 < branjb> the imu has pullups on it, should i disable the gpio pullup as well?
2017-03-05T22:21:46 < ReadError> how clean does it look on scope?
2017-03-05T22:22:05 < branjb> not great
2017-03-05T22:22:06 < branjb> hang on
2017-03-05T22:22:22 < branjb> not sure how i2c normally looks
2017-03-05T22:22:29 < ReadError> ive just used OD
2017-03-05T22:22:31 < ReadError> no pull
2017-03-05T22:22:54 < fenugrec> internal PU are typically weak
2017-03-05T22:23:19 < branjb> it has 4.8k pullups on the imu board
2017-03-05T22:23:30 < ReadError> should be plenty 
2017-03-05T22:23:37 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/2o6Vx
2017-03-05T22:23:50 < ReadError> ew
2017-03-05T22:24:03 < branjb> i can set the sleep mode bit to enable or disable, then read it back correctly
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2017-03-05T22:24:32 < branjb> so i don't think it's a communication issue even though it looks shitty
2017-03-05T22:24:34 < ReadError> why is the Vp-p so low
2017-03-05T22:25:03 < ReadError> 10x on or something?
2017-03-05T22:25:26 < branjb> yea
2017-03-05T22:26:04 < branjb> it's weird, i can communicate with it ok, but i get 00's back
2017-03-05T22:26:29 < kakimir> should I use void or intptr pointers to point to codespace address?
2017-03-05T22:26:30 < branjb> almost as if it's not actually writing sensor values into its own registers
2017-03-05T22:29:15 < ReadError> branjb: see if you can make it look cleaner
2017-03-05T22:29:23 < ReadError> that doesnt look right
2017-03-05T22:32:08 < Steffanx> So decoded it yet ReadError?
2017-03-05T22:32:22 < Steffanx> There seem to be decoders online, but the ones i tried dont work
2017-03-05T22:32:47 < ReadError> Steffanx: ya tried my normal base64 ones
2017-03-05T22:32:56 < ReadError> but the chinese is fucking it up
2017-03-05T22:32:59 < ReadError> branjb: http://dsscircuits.com/articles/effects-of-varying-i2c-pull-up-resistors
2017-03-05T22:33:21 < Steffanx> Big question is.. where is the code from?
2017-03-05T22:33:30 < ReadError> server someone asked me to look at
2017-03-05T22:33:58 < ReadError> just happen see it and it looked out of place
2017-03-05T22:34:07 < ReadError> the characters wouldnt render on my terminal had to email it
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2017-03-05T22:42:49 < Steffanx> How does it even work? Do you need a special extension that decodes the stuff before it's pushed to the php engine?
2017-03-05T22:43:13 < ReadError> nah it can be run 
2017-03-05T22:43:15 < ReadError> how it is
2017-03-05T22:43:29 < ReadError> but i dont have a sandbox setup or know how to trace php
2017-03-05T22:43:49 < Steffanx> for real? It doesnt look valid at all.
2017-03-05T22:44:23 < Steffanx> where is jadew when you need him.
2017-03-05T22:44:51 < ReadError> I had a bunch of other ones somewhere too
2017-03-05T22:45:04 < ReadError> most the time i can get them to decode tho
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2017-03-05T22:46:51 < Steffanx> online php sandboxes do no want to run it.
2017-03-05T22:46:54 < Steffanx> As in.. error
2017-03-05T22:46:56 < Steffanx> syntax
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2017-03-05T22:58:51 < kakimir> do you guise use uintptr?
2017-03-05T22:58:55 < kakimir> ever
2017-03-05T22:59:19 < kakimir> or just assume the bits on platforms used?
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2017-03-05T23:02:29 < kakimir> cox?
2017-03-05T23:02:37 < zyp> kakimir, uintptr_t is the right thing to do
2017-03-05T23:02:40 < zyp> although I don't :p
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2017-03-05T23:02:51 < zyp> I probably should
2017-03-05T23:03:25 < kakimir> I was saying we might see 64bit mcus but then I realized we probs wont because no need
2017-03-05T23:04:10 < kakimir> code might be run on computer type of platforms though
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2017-03-05T23:06:14 < kakimir> even bigger than 32bit addressspace is hard to justify in mcu use
2017-03-05T23:06:25 < karlp> ReadError: I was struggling with some i2c recently, code was working, reads were as expected, but the LA connected was not seeing the same data.
2017-03-05T23:06:26 < branjb> ReadError:  I didn't read the datasheet all the way; I think the IMU needs to be provided a samplerate which I wasn't doing, which it defaults to 0
2017-03-05T23:06:33 < karlp> was missing pullups :)
2017-03-05T23:06:47 < karlp> (internal PUs weren't enough)
2017-03-05T23:07:25 < ReadError> branjb: no default odd
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2017-03-05T23:07:32 < branjb> i dunno
2017-03-05T23:07:42 < ReadError> karlp: only takes a few wasted hours once
2017-03-05T23:07:45 < ReadError> never again
2017-03-05T23:07:49 < branjb> i'm looking at someone elses code for it and they initialize a bunch of internal registers containing samplerate, lowpass, etc
2017-03-05T23:07:58 < branjb> we'll see in a sec
2017-03-05T23:09:13 < karlp> ReadError: was kinda frustrating.  was trying to add the LA to do automated testing of results, and the stm32 and the device were quite happy by themselves :)
2017-03-05T23:09:18 < karlp> was only the LA that was unhappy.
2017-03-05T23:09:49 < branjb> nope, that wasn't it
2017-03-05T23:10:10 < ReadError> <3 i2c
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2017-03-05T23:10:36 < ReadError> those are my nuts, not a heart, im teabagging 
2017-03-05T23:11:33 < karlp> yeah, fuck i2c
2017-03-05T23:11:58 < karlp> let's use one less wire than spi, but be way more fucking temperamental and power hungry and slow and quirky.
2017-03-05T23:13:44 < Steffanx> and multiple slaves.
2017-03-05T23:14:14 < karlp> spi can do that too :)
2017-03-05T23:14:25 < karlp> though yeah, normally starts wanting more wires quickly I admit
2017-03-05T23:14:26 < Steffanx> oh, spi cannot do that as "easy".
2017-03-05T23:14:43 < karlp> but there's so many times you see only one i2c device connected anyway
2017-03-05T23:14:51 < Steffanx> Yeah, true much.
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2017-03-05T23:33:54 < kakimir> is there something like TODO but more like info?
2017-03-05T23:34:32 < kakimir> that highlights in editors
2017-03-05T23:35:54 < karlp> tell your editor?
2017-03-05T23:36:22 < Steffanx> You can do that in preferences in eclipse iirc
2017-03-05T23:36:33 < Steffanx> You can add more tag thingies.
2017-03-05T23:37:56 < Steffanx> Preferences > enter "tag" in the search box. then its General > Editor > structured text > Tags 
2017-03-05T23:38:20 < Steffanx> and add your INFO tag with some priority
2017-03-05T23:39:51 < Steffanx> You can also do it in the language specific version
2017-03-05T23:39:59 < Thorn> how do I make a timer run for exactly n cycles (generate n update events) and then stop (without counting interrupts)?
2017-03-05T23:40:43 < branjb> you can use the repition thing
2017-03-05T23:40:46 < branjb> repitition
2017-03-05T23:41:04 < Thorn> that only works for n=1
2017-03-05T23:41:29 < aandrew> heh I never had any issue with I2C
2017-03-05T23:41:41 < aandrew> but then again I don't try to run 50 feet of cable at 1mbaud on I2C either
2017-03-05T23:42:28 < karlp> I just find the amount of boiler plate code to be out of control
2017-03-05T23:42:36 < aandrew> hm, not sure
2017-03-05T23:42:44 < aandrew> naturally HAL's implementation is kind of shit 
2017-03-05T23:43:06 < karlp> locm3 isn't any better (yet?)
2017-03-05T23:43:13 < karlp> the primitives are all too low level.
2017-03-05T23:43:21 < branjb> HAL_I2C_Mem_Read() seems like a really good concept but i'm not convinced it works right
2017-03-05T23:43:27 < aandrew> branjb: right
2017-03-05T23:43:33 < karlp> because it seems the acks on, acks off, repeate or not shit all needs to be different for different devices.
2017-03-05T23:43:36 < kakimir> I keep todo so that it will be highlighted
2017-03-05T23:43:52 < aandrew> I prefer to have a HAL r/w call(s) that allow me to prevent a stop from occuring so I can craft my own read/write
2017-03-05T23:44:02 < aandrew> (where you write a reg then read or write the value)
2017-03-05T23:44:25 < kakimir> apparently I got it right as I use 1.5k pullups in I2C
2017-03-05T23:45:49 < kakimir> I asked right value here
2017-03-05T23:46:18 < Thorn> kakimir: ask your oscilloscope
2017-03-05T23:46:19 < Laurenceb> karlp: I managed to get i2c somewhat manageable on F1
2017-03-05T23:46:23 < aandrew> I typically do 4k7 but I'm not pushing speed at all
2017-03-05T23:46:24 < Laurenceb> but it took forever
2017-03-05T23:46:57 < Steffanx> but it's also possible that was more your mistake than really an issue with the F1 :P
2017-03-05T23:47:05 < aandrew> ^^
2017-03-05T23:47:11 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-03-05T23:47:24 < Laurenceb> F1 I2C is recognised by everyone as broken
2017-03-05T23:47:26 < aandrew> I can't count the number of times I was cursing hardware before I realized I'd fucked up a setting or didn't read correctly
2017-03-05T23:47:48 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/Sensors/lsm9ds1.c
2017-03-05T23:48:21 < Laurenceb> fairly non horrible ?
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2017-03-05T23:50:43 < kakimir> Thorn: I actually might have done calculations for 1.5k and concidered it ok
2017-03-05T23:51:08 < kakimir> 1k5 pulls some power though
2017-03-05T23:51:18 < kakimir> you need 2 of them
2017-03-05T23:51:58 < kakimir> I have pmos driving them in my designs
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2017-03-05T23:52:49 < kakimir> or cmos output with decoupling
2017-03-05T23:53:58 < kakimir> 2.2mA per signal max!
2017-03-05T23:54:07 < kakimir> @3.3v
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2017-03-06T00:01:13 < Thorn> ok it's probably doable with a slave timer ('reset' trigger on the master + ext clock mode on the slave)
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2017-03-06T00:08:18  * Laurenceb contemplates making an stm32 based usart to i2c convertor
2017-03-06T00:10:23 < branjb> i2c is p cool
2017-03-06T00:10:27 < branjb> write in 0x08
2017-03-06T00:10:39 < branjb> read out 0x64
2017-03-06T00:10:57 < Steffanx> Why no spi laurenceb.
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2017-03-06T00:11:30 < Laurenceb> cuz ardutards are always failing with i2c
2017-03-06T00:13:06 < kakimir> money thinking
2017-03-06T00:15:04 < englishman> R2COM: what kind of gats do you have
2017-03-06T00:15:10 < englishman> i got a new gat, it gets here tomorrow
2017-03-06T00:17:05 < kakimir> how many gats combined?
2017-03-06T00:17:58 < englishman> kaks i ate some møøse fondue yesterday
2017-03-06T00:18:20 < englishman> that was murdered not far away
2017-03-06T00:19:34 < kakimir> don't talk food Iäm hungry
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2017-03-06T00:28:49 < max123_> Hello everyone
2017-03-06T00:29:04 < max123_> I have a question concerning multiple DMA transfers
2017-03-06T00:29:33 < max123_> I transmit a framebuffer via SPI to a display with DMA
2017-03-06T00:29:43 < branjb> at least it's not i2c
2017-03-06T00:29:51 < max123_> Now I thought about methods to wipe that buffer automatically
2017-03-06T00:30:39 < max123_> And came across an idea to start a second DMA stream which writes 0x0000 from a specific location a bit behind my DMA read pointer
2017-03-06T00:31:04 < max123_> How can I take care that the wipe transaction is slower than my read transaction?
2017-03-06T00:31:24 < max123_> OR: is there a better way to come out with a clean memory region for free after the transmit?
2017-03-06T00:31:32 < max123_> memset is just too slow
2017-03-06T00:34:13 < englishman> double buffer?
2017-03-06T00:34:27 < ReadError> max123_ = spirit
2017-03-06T00:34:31 < englishman> do you really need to wipe or can you just invalidate
2017-03-06T00:34:51 < max123_> What's spirit?
2017-03-06T00:34:54 < Steffanx> Or fancy use of the half and complete interrupt?
2017-03-06T00:35:25 < englishman> yeah that's a perfect use of halfcomplete
2017-03-06T00:35:54 < max123_> ah, halfcomplete as in fifo halfempty/
2017-03-06T00:35:57 < max123_> ?
2017-03-06T00:36:37 < kakimir> those things are tricky but is glass half full or half empty?
2017-03-06T00:37:39 < max123_> @ReadError what's spirit?
2017-03-06T00:38:55 < Steffanx> Spirit is some user on irc
2017-03-06T00:39:09 < max123_> I need a clean buffer as fast as possible after the write is complete as my display updates the whole area with a high fps generative pattern
2017-03-06T00:39:16 < Steffanx> Spiritxxx where xxx is some number i dont remember
2017-03-06T00:39:31 < max123_> I see
2017-03-06T00:39:46 < kakimir> 123?
2017-03-06T00:40:01 < ReadError> just messin 
2017-03-06T00:40:18 < max123_> Ok, please don't assume I'm trolling here in case that's what you imply
2017-03-06T00:40:41 < ReadError> nah he didnt want to figure out dma
2017-03-06T00:40:41 < max123_> the use case is a 45fps oled application in a musical context
2017-03-06T00:40:47 < ReadError> so he paid some paki 100$
2017-03-06T00:40:55 < ReadError> and I guess hasnt gotten anything
2017-03-06T00:41:03 < max123_> I see ;)
2017-03-06T00:41:20 < Steffanx> Cant do double buffering?
2017-03-06T00:41:46 < max123_> I do already
2017-03-06T00:42:08 < max123_> ah, sorry, forgot about an important part
2017-03-06T00:42:16 < Steffanx> Lol
2017-03-06T00:42:21 < max123_> the patterns are rendered in an audio interrrup
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2017-03-06T00:42:41 < max123_> with only 1 sample buffer at 44100hz
2017-03-06T00:43:08 < max123_> i render a part of the picture, as soon as i'm ready, i transfer the full buffer over to the display via dma and switch buffers
2017-03-06T00:43:22 < max123_> all in the audio irq
2017-03-06T00:43:56 < max123_> so if i attempt a memset to clear the buffer before a new frame, i get clicks as this takes too long for the sample time
2017-03-06T00:44:28 < max123_> that's why i thought i would be able to let an 'erase head' run after the 'read head'
2017-03-06T00:44:46 < max123_> and get a clear buffer to start the new frame for free
2017-03-06T00:47:38 < kakimir> I want unarduino C lib for hx711 sensor anyone have one?
2017-03-06T00:49:15 < kakimir> I don't want the temperature thing builtin neither
2017-03-06T00:49:19 < kakimir> just raw
2017-03-06T00:51:42 < ReadError> uh
2017-03-06T00:51:59 < ReadError> wat
2017-03-06T00:52:34 < kakimir> just the i2c comms thing
2017-03-06T00:52:45 < ReadError> the load cell shit?
2017-03-06T00:52:49 < ReadError> its not i2c 
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2017-03-06T00:53:05 < ReadError> its some special thing
2017-03-06T00:53:12 < ReadError> just bitbang it
2017-03-06T00:53:20 < kakimir> what the shit..
2017-03-06T00:53:26 < englishman> max123_: like steffan said there's half-complete and complete interrupts
2017-03-06T00:53:39 < englishman> so you can start your erase from the half-complete interrupt
2017-03-06T00:54:37 < kakimir> well at least it has only 2pins
2017-03-06T00:54:45 < ReadError> yea, can has 2 pins
2017-03-06T00:54:48 < ReadError> CAN*
2017-03-06T00:54:52 < ReadError> is it also i2c?
2017-03-06T00:54:58 < kakimir> *data pins
2017-03-06T00:55:24 < kakimir> doesn't that look like 2line spi to you?
2017-03-06T00:55:48 < ReadError> https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t50.2886-16/11769060_1627110370880437_1395962985_n.mp4
2017-03-06T00:56:02 < ReadError> thats mine running 
2017-03-06T00:56:32 < ReadError> yellow drops when data is ready 
2017-03-06T00:57:09 < ReadError> so i had it running in its own thread to grab data and did some smoothing 
2017-03-06T00:57:15 < englishman> looks something a bit like spi yeah
2017-03-06T00:57:40 < englishman> but data ready is also the data out pin
2017-03-06T00:57:49 < ReadError> ends up being like 90sps
2017-03-06T00:57:55 < ReadError> yea 
2017-03-06T00:58:01 < englishman> is that what you used in benchy
2017-03-06T00:58:11 < ReadError> yea 
2017-03-06T00:58:22 < max123_> englishman: yes, I will look into that, thanks!
2017-03-06T00:58:26 < kakimir> I wonder if that thing could be read by abusing uart
2017-03-06T00:58:28 < ReadError> kakimir: you will have to bitbang it tho
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2017-03-06T00:58:58 < englishman> usart or spi should do it no?
2017-03-06T00:59:26 < englishman> at least its a multiple of 8 bits
2017-03-06T00:59:44 < englishman> o maybe not
2017-03-06T00:59:48 < englishman> that seems annoying as shit
2017-03-06T00:59:54 < kakimir> 7bits
2017-03-06T01:01:10 < ReadError> its something weird iirc
2017-03-06T01:01:18 < kakimir> reference C driver is only 20lines
2017-03-06T01:02:54 < kakimir> is there such mode in usart that pulse could be used as sync?
2017-03-06T01:05:14 < kakimir> oh it's output from mcu
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2017-03-06T01:09:35 < ReadError> yea you clock it out
2017-03-06T01:10:36 < kakimir> how
2017-03-06T01:11:19 < ReadError> just a timer 
2017-03-06T01:11:38 < kakimir> sure
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2017-03-06T01:15:03 < kakimir> your video doesn't correlate with the pdf
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2017-03-06T01:16:06 < kakimir> it says a bit per plse
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2017-03-06T01:17:55 < ReadError> well I dont have the clock 
2017-03-06T01:18:07 < ReadError> on the scope
2017-03-06T01:18:11 < ReadError> it would just look messy and dumb
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2017-03-06T01:19:18 < kakimir> by video I assumed there was more
2017-03-06T01:19:23 < max123_> englishman: I think it might be even easier to use the FIFO empty interrupt to flush the block which was just transmitted
2017-03-06T01:19:32 < kakimir> than one bit
2017-03-06T01:19:53 < ReadError> kakimir: well look at the hz for purple
2017-03-06T01:20:20 < ReadError> purple and yellow are generated from MCU just for timing 
2017-03-06T01:20:30 < ReadError> to see on scope
2017-03-06T01:20:35 < ReadError> no function w/ hx711
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2017-03-06T01:35:33 < ohsix> Jack Mustard, a planetary scientist at Brown University, says he understands the team's hesitance. But he wished the "mission had moved more quickly with the wet chemistry experiments," he says. "I am eager to see what we can learn."
2017-03-06T01:35:41 < ohsix> jack mustard at brown
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2017-03-06T02:19:44 < branjb> 5 hours of messing with i2c on stm32, no joy
2017-03-06T02:20:04 < branjb> pull out an atmega and test IMU with shitty arduino library
2017-03-06T02:20:07 < branjb> works
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2017-03-06T02:30:34 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-03-06T02:30:39 < Laurenceb> atmega != stm32
2017-03-06T02:31:09 < Laurenceb> stm32 peripherals are massively  more sophisticated
2017-03-06T02:31:14 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-06T02:31:14 < Laurenceb> which series stm32?
2017-03-06T02:31:18 < branjb> f7
2017-03-06T02:31:21 < branjb> hal i2c
2017-03-06T02:31:25 < Laurenceb> eeek
2017-03-06T02:31:34 < Laurenceb> no thanks
2017-03-06T02:31:37 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-06T02:31:51 < ReadError> chibios
2017-03-06T02:32:20 < ReadError> but
2017-03-06T02:32:31 < ReadError> why are you using a i2c IMU on a F7 mcu?
2017-03-06T02:32:43 < branjb> now i'm trying to figure out arm semihosting with visualgdb 
2017-03-06T02:32:49 < branjb> idk
2017-03-06T02:32:53 < branjb> because f7 is our platform
2017-03-06T02:33:14 < Laurenceb> seems like you jumped in to the deep end somewhat rapidly
2017-03-06T02:33:22 < ReadError> the chibios i2c stuff works
2017-03-06T02:33:29 < Laurenceb> but aiui F7 i2c is the same as F2+ i2c
2017-03-06T02:33:51 < Laurenceb> ReadError: are F7 peripherals supported in chibios yet?
2017-03-06T02:34:01 < ReadError> i believe so
2017-03-06T02:34:03 < Laurenceb> cool
2017-03-06T02:34:10 < ReadError> not looked super close but they had been adding f7 shit
2017-03-06T02:34:10 < Laurenceb> yeah I'd recommend that route then
2017-03-06T02:34:32 < Laurenceb> branjb: the other option I could poss help you with is to port my F1 code
2017-03-06T02:34:53 < Laurenceb> should just be a matter of removing some hardware glitch handling
2017-03-06T02:35:25 < branjb> maybe
2017-03-06T02:35:31 < Laurenceb> oh but it uses periph lib so you would have to rewire to raw registers
2017-03-06T02:35:35 < branjb> i'm still fucking around
2017-03-06T02:37:25 < Laurenceb> I'd try to find the i2c section in the reference manual
2017-03-06T02:38:13 < Laurenceb> the "EV_<x>" notation if they describe it in the same way as F1
2017-03-06T02:39:01 < Laurenceb> then draw a flow diagram to make it more understandable and impliment using an interrupt driven state machine
2017-03-06T02:39:14 < ReadError> F2, F4, F7
2017-03-06T02:39:20 < ReadError> i think share all the same peripherals
2017-03-06T02:40:02 < Laurenceb> then again, F7 has decent DMA, so you could use DMA
2017-03-06T02:40:17 < ReadError> https://github.com/ChibiOS/ChibiOS/blob/master/os/hal/ports/STM32/STM32F7xx/hal_lld.h
2017-03-06T02:40:17 < Laurenceb> thats how chibios does almost everything, resulting in epic rage on F1
2017-03-06T02:40:30 < Laurenceb> oh nice
2017-03-06T02:40:48 < Laurenceb> wonder how long before H7 is supported
2017-03-06T02:41:40 < Laurenceb> branjb: you could probably make this work by stripping out the EV codes that no longer exist 
2017-03-06T02:41:43 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/i2c_int.c
2017-03-06T02:41:47 < branjb> undefined reference to `_sbrk'
2017-03-06T02:43:02 < Laurenceb> haha
2017-03-06T02:44:00 < Laurenceb> have you managed to compile anything?
2017-03-06T02:44:09 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-06T02:44:32 < Laurenceb> started using malloc?
2017-03-06T02:44:38 < branjb> didn't have stubs for printf()
2017-03-06T02:44:50 < branjb> err
2017-03-06T02:44:52 < branjb> system call crap
2017-03-06T02:44:52 < Laurenceb> I'd avoid printf like the plague
2017-03-06T02:44:55 < branjb> had to rebuilt project
2017-03-06T02:44:56 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-06T02:45:17 < ReadError> why visualgdb too ;///
2017-03-06T02:45:30 < branjb> because i don't know any better
2017-03-06T02:45:31 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/Util/rprintf.c
2017-03-06T02:45:36 < Laurenceb> ^use that
2017-03-06T02:45:38 < ReadError> chibistudio
2017-03-06T02:45:46 < ReadError> pretty decent base
2017-03-06T02:46:04 < ReadError> can use it for all stm32 stuff 
2017-03-06T02:46:14 < branjb> can you use it without using chibios?
2017-03-06T02:46:20 < ReadError> yes ofc
2017-03-06T02:46:32 < Laurenceb> tbh I just use terminal
2017-03-06T02:46:40 < Laurenceb> sometimes I use gedit
2017-03-06T02:46:45 < ReadError> ya i bet you also use a lunix desktop, fgt
2017-03-06T02:46:57 < Laurenceb> top trawl
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2017-03-06T02:54:01 < aandrew> Laurenceb: what was the reason behind reimplementing printf? newlib seems to have a pretty concise one if you drop floating point support
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2017-03-06T02:54:41 < Laurenceb> aandrew: newlib was somewhat larger than that reimplementation, which does everything I needed
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2017-03-06T02:55:26 < Laurenceb> and its no bother as it's copypasta code
2017-03-06T02:55:49 < aandrew> *nods* I was just curious if I was missing something
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2017-03-06T03:02:47 < Laurenceb> its just something I keep on my hard drive for copypasta project templates :D
2017-03-06T03:04:09 < aandrew> heh, like my megamakefile for stm32 projects
2017-03-06T03:04:14 < aandrew> because fuck eclipse
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2017-03-06T03:15:27 < dongs> scrts: yes of course, thats called smart paste
2017-03-06T03:15:52 < dongs> i use that all the time when making symbols for oddball parts
2017-03-06T03:16:10 < dongs> you make a .xls with pin names/descriptions/etc and you can import it all at once
2017-03-06T03:16:43 < dongs> (oddball parts with many pins)
2017-03-06T03:16:59 < upgrdman> looking at muh TCP packets. wtf does chrome advertise itself as mozilla AND webkit AND chrome AND safari. lol.     User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/56.0.2924.87 Safari/537.36
2017-03-06T03:17:09 < englishman> for compatibility
2017-03-06T03:17:23 < Emil> It's fucked up but the standard kludge atm
2017-03-06T03:17:31 < upgrdman> orly?
2017-03-06T03:17:31 < englishman> so retards taht program site for only one still work on ur chromez
2017-03-06T03:17:32 < englishman> ^
2017-03-06T03:17:37 < upgrdman> o
2017-03-06T03:17:38 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-06T03:17:41 < upgrdman> such fail, but ok
2017-03-06T03:17:45 < englishman> yes, such
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2017-03-06T03:18:09 < englishman> whats a makefile
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2017-03-06T03:18:35 < dongs> sounds like something amp!sux would use
2017-03-06T03:19:06 < englishman> i dont get that insult of yours
2017-03-06T03:19:22 < englishman> it implies that o6 uses a phone for browsing. but we know he cant afford a phone
2017-03-06T03:19:33 < dongs> no, i was referring to 'wahts a makefile'
2017-03-06T03:19:42 < dongs> cuz that question sounded out of context
2017-03-06T03:19:50 < upgrdman> so if i want to know more about these lines in the TCP packets, what do i google? "http packet" ?
2017-03-06T03:19:51 < dongs> like someone on ignore would ask about some makefile shit
2017-03-06T03:19:58 < dongs> upgrdman: wat packets
2017-03-06T03:20:10 < upgrdman> dongs, the gay ones going to and from an esp8266
2017-03-06T03:20:15 < ReadError> ur looking at request?
2017-03-06T03:20:15 < dongs> this is standard user-agent browser response header
2017-03-06T03:20:17 < ReadError> not packets
2017-03-06T03:20:20 < dongs> upgrdman: those are HTTP
2017-03-06T03:20:38 < upgrdman> ReadError, well ya
2017-03-06T03:20:47 < upgrdman> ReadError, but isnt an http request 1 packet?
2017-03-06T03:20:47 < Laurenceb> gay packets?
2017-03-06T03:20:52 < Laurenceb> grindr.com?
2017-03-06T03:20:53 < upgrdman> yes, very
2017-03-06T03:20:58 < ReadError> it can be multiple
2017-03-06T03:21:07 < dongs> http request could be fucking huge
2017-03-06T03:21:11 < ReadError> right
2017-03-06T03:21:20 < dongs> pretty sure all the headers can add up to > 1.5k
2017-03-06T03:21:23 < ReadError> and thres many stages 
2017-03-06T03:21:25 < dongs> especially if you have long cookies and shit
2017-03-06T03:21:26 < upgrdman> hand crafted tcp packets. made by upgrdman, in america. artisanal tcp packets!
2017-03-06T03:21:29 < ReadError> just to even get to the request
2017-03-06T03:21:39 < Emil> HTTP headers
2017-03-06T03:22:00 < ReadError> many packets for handshake etc happen before thats even sent too
2017-03-06T03:22:08 < upgrdman> true
2017-03-06T03:22:24 < upgrdman> i guess the esp8266 hides the syn, syn/ack, ack   overhead
2017-03-06T03:22:53 < dongs> wtf upgrdman do you even internet
2017-03-06T03:23:01 < upgrdman> ?
2017-03-06T03:23:02 < Emil> dongs: I'm wondering that too :D
2017-03-06T03:23:14 < dongs> thesea are like basic questions that would be OK to ask in 1996
2017-03-06T03:23:16 < dongs> but not in 2017
2017-03-06T03:23:25 < upgrdman> this is my first foray into networking
2017-03-06T03:23:27 < upgrdman> you faggot
2017-03-06T03:23:48 < Emil> upgrdman: I'm just a basic faggot but even I know these things :D
2017-03-06T03:24:06 < dongs> also i guess its time to stop using 199x as 'kids' cuz some of those people are like 20+ now
2017-03-06T03:24:08 < upgrdman> :)
2017-03-06T03:24:50 < Emil> dongs: 2000 is always just 5/10 years ago ;)
2017-03-06T03:25:14 < Emil> upgrdman: the esp is super easy to use
2017-03-06T03:25:29 < Emil> especially if you use the arduino version
2017-03-06T03:25:41 < upgrdman> Emil, i know. i managed to not fuck anything up yet.
2017-03-06T03:27:04 < Emil> upgrdman: https://emil.fi/jako/projektit/iot/winrar.ino if you want one example
2017-03-06T03:27:07 < dongs> so yesterday some fucking neighbor kids found my 0402 caps asmple book
2017-03-06T03:28:01 < dongs> found them quietly sitting under my office desk, peeling pull tape off every fucking cut tape
2017-03-06T03:28:02 < Emil> dongs: magic dust all over the ground now?
2017-03-06T03:28:06 < dongs> and spilling caps on the floor
2017-03-06T03:28:08 < Emil> heheheheheheh
2017-03-06T03:28:30 < Emil> I'd have fucking whooped their ass
2017-03-06T03:29:31 < Emil> upgrdman: that link is an example of using slack webhooks
2017-03-06T03:29:32 < upgrdman> dongs, did you shame them in front of their parents
2017-03-06T03:29:40 < upgrdman> Emil, k thx
2017-03-06T03:30:02 < upgrdman> dongs, maybe you can get their sacred family katana sword
2017-03-06T03:30:22 < Emil> upgrdman: it just sends a POST request to a server
2017-03-06T03:30:50 < branjb> Laurenceb_: completely repeatable bug, using j-link to debug, something was fucked up with i2c.  switched to openocd w/ st-link, magically works
2017-03-06T03:31:18 < Laurenceb> I dunno sorry
2017-03-06T03:31:36 < branjb> it's all good, just..weird
2017-03-06T03:32:51 < dongs> gonna take a super wild guess here and say your code sucks
2017-03-06T03:33:09 < branjb> probably
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2017-03-06T03:44:14 < aandrew> dongs: yeah that is the scary part about the 90s... they're now almost 30 years away
2017-03-06T03:46:31 < Laurenceb> erm 17 years
2017-03-06T03:47:00 < Laurenceb> the millenium bug!!! one
2017-03-06T03:47:36 < aandrew> well I was thinking 1990 not 1999 :-)
2017-03-06T03:48:17 < dongs> lawrence/b/ was born in 1999
2017-03-06T03:48:23 < Laurenceb> I can almost remember 1990
2017-03-06T03:49:21 < Laurenceb> I think I can remember Rick Astley being played non ironically
2017-03-06T03:49:45 < dongs> chrome crashed AGAIN when dragging it across multimonitors
2017-03-06T03:49:49 < dongs> motherfucker
2017-03-06T03:50:50 < aandrew> wtf winrar.ino?
2017-03-06T03:51:01 < dongs> looks like a single http request from ESP14/88
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2017-03-06T03:51:24 < dongs> they dumbed that shit down to basically pres butan receive bacon.
2017-03-06T03:51:27 < dongs> no skills required
2017-03-06T03:51:28 < Laurenceb> crashed _again_ ?
2017-03-06T03:51:37 < aandrew> dongs: oshit I just read about your 0402 adventure
2017-03-06T03:51:41 < Laurenceb> chrome is a _crash_
2017-03-06T03:51:47 < aandrew> daaamn
2017-03-06T03:51:50 < dongs> aandrew: fucking assholes
2017-03-06T03:51:53 < aandrew> how many did you lose
2017-03-06T03:51:59 < aandrew> (kids, not caps)
2017-03-06T03:52:13 < Laurenceb> prob many caps and one kid
2017-03-06T03:52:14 < dongs> donno these werent even mine
2017-03-06T03:52:29 < Laurenceb> lul reminds me of the last time I visited uni
2017-03-06T03:52:30 < aandrew> my kids are pretty good about not touching that stuff
2017-03-06T03:52:35 < aandrew> they do get into my tools and hack my gibson
2017-03-06T03:52:41 < aandrew> but nothing I can't undo relatively quickly
2017-03-06T03:52:48 < Laurenceb> some perman00b Saudi student had arrived and decided to clear the desks
2017-03-06T03:53:03 < Laurenceb> there were boxes with all BOM for about 6 projects
2017-03-06T03:53:13 < Laurenceb> he tipped everything into one box to "save space"
2017-03-06T03:53:18 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-03-06T03:53:28 < Laurenceb> I just left at that point, haven't got time for that shit
2017-03-06T03:53:37 < Laurenceb> they can fix their own shit themselves
2017-03-06T03:54:30 < Laurenceb> but knowing uni teams, when they come to make some more of whatever, they will just pay 20k to consultants to "fix it"
2017-03-06T03:55:25 < aandrew> Laurenceb: yep that's where i come in
2017-03-06T03:57:11 < dongs> http://aandrew.pro/
2017-03-06T03:57:41 < aandrew> well in something like that it's less pro and more mercenary
2017-03-06T03:57:45 < Laurenceb> Sorry, the website aandrew.pro cannot be found.
2017-03-06T03:57:57 < aandrew> it's on an RFC1918 network
2017-03-06T03:59:07 < Kerr-A> on an lqfp48 stm32f103 I need to tie NRST (pin 7) to VDD for the chip to run... correct?
2017-03-06T03:59:32 < dongs> I thought its an RFC1149 network
2017-03-06T04:00:09 < aandrew> I don't like birdshit
2017-03-06T04:03:50 < dongs> Kerr-A: through a 10k R yeah
2017-03-06T04:04:00 < dongs> Kerr-A: also boot0 should be in a fixed state
2017-03-06T04:04:01 < dongs> not floating
2017-03-06T04:04:13 < dongs> floating boot0 = random boots into rom bootloader guaranteed
2017-03-06T04:04:14 < Kerr-A> high or low?
2017-03-06T04:04:22 < dongs> low
2017-03-06T04:04:30 < dongs> pulling it high makes it go to bootloader
2017-03-06T04:04:51  * Kerr-A solders on a few resistors
2017-03-06T04:06:27 < Laurenceb> wow facebook
2017-03-06T04:06:40  * Laurenceb is reading his cousins facebook (19,f)
2017-03-06T04:07:19 < dongs> r u getting a boner
2017-03-06T04:07:23 < Laurenceb> while(1) {printf("omg totes random\n");printf("omg I'm a pretty check selfie??\n");}
2017-03-06T04:07:45 < Laurenceb> I feel like I've got Alzheimers
2017-03-06T04:07:59 < Laurenceb> 1 second memory
2017-03-06T04:08:02 < Kerr-A> free(brain)
2017-03-06T04:08:51 < Laurenceb> scroll the page and it seems to be repeating, but thats from a different day
2017-03-06T04:09:05 < Laurenceb> 7980 friends
2017-03-06T04:09:09 < Laurenceb> wtf I don't even
2017-03-06T04:09:32 < Kerr-A> and she probably unfriends people who suggest shes not all that
2017-03-06T04:09:55 < Laurenceb> yeah I think they are all fappers
2017-03-06T04:10:12 < Laurenceb> she takes it to the limit of what will get blocked
2017-03-06T04:10:17 < dongs> Keep your eyes open for updates and if you're not a supporter yet, please consider heading to Team Cemu's Patreon page!
2017-03-06T04:10:17 < Kerr-A> this is why i identify and avoid "s" type girls :p
2017-03-06T04:10:20 < dongs> lul
2017-03-06T04:10:27 < dongs> cemu is cashing in on the new zelda tarsh
2017-03-06T04:10:29 < aandrew> what's the difference between jesus and a picture of jesus?
2017-03-06T04:10:29 < dongs> plz patreon
2017-03-06T04:10:33 < aandrew> you only need one nail to hang the picture up
2017-03-06T04:10:35 < dongs> how about fixing shit thats been broken for years
2017-03-06T04:11:11 < dongs> $6k per month to sit around and steal IP
2017-03-06T04:11:13 < emeb_mac> I always thought that the datasheets recommend a 0.1uf cap on the NRST pin
2017-03-06T04:11:15 < dongs> https://www.patreon.com/cemu
2017-03-06T04:11:20 < dongs> emeb_mac: er?
2017-03-06T04:11:30 < dongs> you mean 10k up / 0.1uf down?
2017-03-06T04:11:32 < Laurenceb> but without patreon 8chan couldnt get funded
2017-03-06T04:11:45 < Laurenceb> the 0.1uF is to decouple the reset button
2017-03-06T04:11:48 < emeb_mac> dongs: no 10k needed
2017-03-06T04:11:54 < emeb_mac> there's a pullup inside
2017-03-06T04:12:01 < dongs> no, you definitely want pullup on nrst especialyl in noisy environment
2017-03-06T04:12:04 < dongs> yeah but its pretty weak
2017-03-06T04:12:12 < Laurenceb> its <10k iirc
2017-03-06T04:12:16 < Laurenceb> erm >
2017-03-06T04:13:08 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb: I thought that the 0.1uf is not just for the rst button, but also to provide some time delay @ powerup
2017-03-06T04:13:33 < aandrew> man
2017-03-06T04:13:36 < aandrew> you guys suck
2017-03-06T04:13:38 < aandrew> that was a great joke
2017-03-06T04:13:47 < Laurenceb> it's a bit offensive
2017-03-06T04:13:58 < stm32> no time for jokes
2017-03-06T04:14:00 < Laurenceb> go and pick on the muslims
2017-03-06T04:14:13 < aandrew> lawl
2017-03-06T04:14:30  * Laurenceb heads back to /r/unexpectedjihad
2017-03-06T04:14:42 < Laurenceb> about 99% of the content is shit, but 1% is totally epic
2017-03-06T04:14:59 < stm32> what about stm32 Laurenceb 
2017-03-06T04:15:06 < Laurenceb> also the ISIS anthem is legit pretty awesome
2017-03-06T04:15:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/z8d5vTn.jpg
2017-03-06T04:16:37 < stm32> yeah mate
2017-03-06T04:16:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DcSobnkB0w
2017-03-06T04:16:49 < stm32> ani-nigs
2017-03-06T04:18:22 < Laurenceb> wow the comment deliver
2017-03-06T04:18:26 < Laurenceb> *comments
2017-03-06T04:20:21 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/aZwIIeb.gif
2017-03-06T04:22:14 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgtc.com/02phOXK.jpg
2017-03-06T04:23:29 < ReadError> Laurenceb: you are a HUGE fag
2017-03-06T04:23:34 < ReadError> 30MB gif ?
2017-03-06T04:23:36 < ReadError> go fuck yourself
2017-03-06T04:23:52 < dongs> yeah at least gfycat that shit
2017-03-06T04:23:55 < dongs> its probly 300k .mp4
2017-03-06T04:24:23 < ReadError> even on a fast connection gifs from imgur load slow as fuck
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2017-03-06T04:39:07 < dongs> http://www.electronixandmore.com/projects/vgatoscope/index.html haha
2017-03-06T04:39:12 < dongs> some nice autism there
2017-03-06T04:40:10 < aandrew> heh
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2017-03-06T05:00:30 < ohsix> ReadError: robot warz is on again
2017-03-06T05:00:35 < ohsix> the good one, not the shit one
2017-03-06T05:01:17 < emeb_mac> heh - I remember old robot warz - the one with the dude from Red Dwarf
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2017-03-06T05:24:52 < englishman> dongs: gonna guess you have an ati card, judging by the constant crashing
2017-03-06T05:25:00 < englishman> chrome working fine here on 7 monitors with nvidia
2017-03-06T05:25:15 < dongs> i got a quadro K1200
2017-03-06T05:25:15 < englishman> you have aandrew and his makefiles and crappy ati drivers to thank for that
2017-03-06T05:45:04 < branjb> lol
2017-03-06T05:45:17 < branjb> dongs you gonna get the new AMD processor
2017-03-06T05:45:32 < ReadError> lol fuck that garbage 
2017-03-06T05:45:35 < dongs> why the fuck would i do that
2017-03-06T05:45:47 < ReadError>  intel way mo better
2017-03-06T05:45:56 < ReadError> all around, everything
2017-03-06T05:46:17 < dongs> RGB cooler
2017-03-06T05:46:18 < englishman> branjb: what imu you using
2017-03-06T05:46:24 < branjb> mpu6050
2017-03-06T05:46:27 < branjb> finally got it to work
2017-03-06T05:46:28 < englishman> ah
2017-03-06T05:46:57 < englishman> isnt that nrnd
2017-03-06T05:47:08 < branjb> if i use j-link, all the IMUs registers read/write fine but the sensor data ones never update
2017-03-06T05:47:18 < branjb> if i use openocd + st-link with the exact same code it works
2017-03-06T05:47:28 < ReadError> well a lot of stuff here doesnt make sense
2017-03-06T05:47:44 < dongs> I get emails from random 3rd world retards once and a while
2017-03-06T05:47:45 < ReadError> f7 + i2c + imu 
2017-03-06T05:47:57 < dongs> when will you make a new naze with F7 and MPU6050 cuz MPU6500 too noisy for amazeracing
2017-03-06T05:48:02 < ReadError> but think hes just learning
2017-03-06T05:48:18 < ReadError> or dicking around
2017-03-06T05:48:42 < ReadError> dongs: happy with 60000
2017-03-06T05:48:56 < branjb> man
2017-03-06T05:49:01 < branjb> it needs to get warm and stop raining
2017-03-06T05:49:07 < branjb> haven't done quadcoper shit for 6 months
2017-03-06T05:49:15 < ReadError> the new sensors seem to all have issues
2017-03-06T05:50:04 < dongs> by "have issues" you mean people who have no clue using them in a way they are not supposed to be used, then yes
2017-03-06T05:50:25 < branjb> lol
2017-03-06T05:50:31 < dongs> but thats business as usual in your clone-java-land
2017-03-06T05:50:37 < englishman> ReadError: worse, academic project
2017-03-06T05:51:30 < branjb> hey
2017-03-06T05:51:40 < ReadError> dongs: just not even that, over all, the new onew have more noise 
2017-03-06T05:51:42 < branjb> at least i'm trying to learn how to use a microcontroller 
2017-03-06T05:51:44 < branjb> instead of just
2017-03-06T05:51:49 < branjb> google > arduino > done
2017-03-06T05:52:02 < dongs> ReadError: show me your allen variance graphs and various test rig setups indicating this
2017-03-06T05:52:03 < ReadError> not been paying attention to waht peple have been trying 
2017-03-06T05:52:28 < ReadError> i wont 
2017-03-06T05:52:28 < upgrdman> so reading up on ethernet. manchester encoding and butt-stuffing. why use butt-stuffing instead of something like an escape character? just to be a little more efficient?
2017-03-06T05:52:33 < ReadError> because I dont have that
2017-03-06T05:52:33 < dongs> if you mean "some cloner threw shit on a board and copypasted clifton's garbage and says it sux" that doesn't mean shit
2017-03-06T05:53:22 < ReadError> well different teams
2017-03-06T05:53:27 < dongs> "teams"
2017-03-06T05:53:27 < ReadError> using the different offerings 
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2017-03-06T05:53:35 < ReadError> raceflight w/e 
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2017-03-06T05:54:24 < ReadError> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222
2017-03-06T05:54:24 < ReadError> 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222e
2017-03-06T05:55:17 < upgrdman> dafuq
2017-03-06T05:59:49 < branjb> https://vid.me/H4UQ
2017-03-06T05:59:53 < branjb> my hours of work
2017-03-06T06:03:29 < stm32> eeeeeeee  yes
2017-03-06T06:04:45 < upgrdman> branjb, nice. 2 steppers + 9dof?
2017-03-06T06:07:05 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/r9itW2G.gifv
2017-03-06T06:07:52 < branjb> idk, it's just pan and tilt right now, and i only did enough to control the tilt with IMU angles
2017-03-06T06:07:59 < branjb> burnt out for the day
2017-03-06T06:22:24 < dongs> more progress than  amp!six achieved in the last several years of idling and giving out advice in here
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2017-03-06T06:41:23 < upgrdman> heh, look like at least TWO stm32's inside this jeti rc radio     https://youtu.be/N4jE9lx9ZrQ?t=1180
2017-03-06T06:41:32 < ohsix> emeb_mac: yea the new series has dara o'briain
2017-03-06T06:41:42 < ohsix> the first series back was pretty good
2017-03-06T06:42:10 < ohsix> esp. compared to the US version which sucked ultrabad, and had US sports dressing all over it
2017-03-06T06:43:01 < emeb_mac> dara o'brian is hi-larious
2017-03-06T06:43:28 < ohsix> branjb: all the people here are shitheads, myself included; don't need to defend yourself, you're doing great
2017-03-06T06:45:41 < ohsix> ya i like heem
2017-03-06T06:46:02 < ohsix> the first 2 series of red dwarf were ok, i don't think i get it
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2017-03-06T08:04:50 < stm32> fix muh iphone
2017-03-06T08:06:26 < englishman> stm8.pro
2017-03-06T08:07:32 < stm32> yuh
2017-03-06T08:07:36 < stm32> where
2017-03-06T08:07:41 < stm32> is poutine cat
2017-03-06T08:10:50 < englishman> dono
2017-03-06T08:11:02 < englishman> i might get a 3rd kitten soon
2017-03-06T08:13:30 < englishman> emeb_mac: how's this for fidelity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_s6RlvcKfo
2017-03-06T08:13:37 < englishman> avr + 2fsk
2017-03-06T08:15:33 < emeb_mac> englishman: how doing the voice synth?
2017-03-06T08:15:53 < englishman> tarduino lib buttbanging to 2fsk modulator
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2017-03-06T08:16:20 < emeb_mac> thought it was something like that
2017-03-06T08:16:38 < englishman> pretty neat for the simple hardware
2017-03-06T08:17:21 < emeb_mac> yeah - that LPC synth w/ PWM is pretty decent
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2017-03-06T08:27:09 < ohsix> englishman: are you single
2017-03-06T08:28:42 < dongs> englishman: how is it triggered? by receiving?
2017-03-06T08:30:49 < ohsix> i've subscribed to two random youtube accounts with low subs and no videos because i thought they were englisman
2017-03-06T08:31:24 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsMvjiZeTso LOL
2017-03-06T08:34:24 < ohsix> lul going back to computing dark ages as soon as something does a ton of disk io
2017-03-06T08:34:43 < ohsix> installing something in a vm, chrome starts being a dick and shit
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2017-03-06T09:14:05 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/mscFQsp.gif
2017-03-06T09:24:49 < dongs> not_funny_lawrenceb.png
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2017-03-06T10:04:49 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2PCS-DC3V-Micro-716-Precision-Gear-Motor-Full-Metal-Gearbox-Micro-Servos-With-Velocimetry/32379282808.html 
2017-03-06T10:05:00 < ohsix> pager motor w/ gearbox and encoder lul
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2017-03-06T10:10:37 < ohsix> heh
2017-03-06T10:10:53 < ohsix> you can get a bunch of watchmaker gears sold as decorations for painted nails
2017-03-06T10:12:05 < ohsix> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1jn.NOVXXXXbRXXXXq6xXFXXXD/Punk-Fashion-Ultra-thin-Steampunk-Gear-Design-Nail-Studs-Gold-Silver-3D-Steam-Punk-Metal-Machine.jpg
2017-03-06T10:16:04 < dongs> anyone know if PDM mic PSRR lower is better or worse
2017-03-06T10:17:09 < zyp> oh, just figured out why TI put that trace connector on that devboard with only jtag hooked up
2017-03-06T10:17:15 < dongs> ya?
2017-03-06T10:17:28 < zyp> that was the RM46 devboard, RM46 doesn't have ETM, RM48 does and got it all hooked up
2017-03-06T10:17:38 < dongs> makes sense
2017-03-06T10:17:38 < zyp> and I guess the board itself is the same, just different chip
2017-03-06T10:17:49 < dongs> nucleo-style
2017-03-06T10:24:53 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Outdoor-shockproof-waterproof-box-sealed-box-EDC-tools-storage-box-field-survival-box/32784159858.html heh neat project box
2017-03-06T10:33:33 < upgrdman> ohsix, neat. but ya makes little sense to me. similar rc servos with builtin servo amp
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2017-03-06T10:35:03 < upgrdman> ohsix, https://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/Outdoor-shockproof-waterproof-box-sealed-box-EDC-tools-storage-box-field-survival-box/32784159858.html#   whats the purple thing in the first photo. looks like a weird dildo or butt plug
2017-03-06T10:37:10 < sync_> it's a pen
2017-03-06T10:38:03 < upgrdman> srsly?
2017-03-06T10:38:10 < upgrdman> who the fuck designs a pen like that
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2017-03-06T10:46:16 < sync_> people who disguise weapons as pens
2017-03-06T10:49:06 < dongs> * as penis
2017-03-06T10:52:30 < dongs> ## Appears as crooked penis
2017-03-06T10:52:59 < upgrdman> crooked hillary with a crooked penis
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2017-03-06T11:44:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jY7qvXy.gifv
2017-03-06T11:44:22 < dongs> lul.
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2017-03-06T11:59:08 < karlp> aandrew: I liked your jesus joke :)
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2017-03-06T12:11:43 < dohzer> Does anyone know if Eclipse still requires the startup code to have a capital S in the file name extension, and why it's case sensitive in the first place?
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2017-03-06T12:17:41 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmsRN78qMxM
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2017-03-06T12:31:22 < stm32> good work Laurenceb 
2017-03-06T12:32:34 < dongs> dohzer: i solved that question by not using eclipse
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2017-03-06T12:36:22 < karlp> dohzer: .s and .S historically related to whether they were preprocessed or not iirc.
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2017-03-06T12:36:47 < karlp> I find it odd that eclipse would care/know.
2017-03-06T12:37:14 < karlp> it compiles them all, and there's different rules for .s and .S, but startup doesn't even have to be in asm, so... who cares what eclipse thinks?
2017-03-06T12:37:30 < dongs> asm-less startup is for true pros
2017-03-06T12:37:35 < dongs> write your real startup in Rust
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2017-03-06T12:38:42 < dongs> Rust-EZ
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2017-03-06T12:44:47 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglophobia
2017-03-06T12:45:33 < dohzer> ha
2017-03-06T12:45:48 < dohzer> Oh, maybe it's a preprocessing thing. I'll look into it.
2017-03-06T12:47:43 < stm32> what is rust
2017-03-06T12:48:00 < karlp> either way, it's optional, you need .S if you want preprocessor to run, but eclipse shouldn't care
2017-03-06T12:49:17 < Laurenceb> stm32: ratarded hipster "language"
2017-03-06T12:49:57 < stm32> ah okay
2017-03-06T12:51:23 < stm32> i'll expect to see more of it on facebook
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2017-03-06T12:56:38 < stm32> https://www.facebook.com/STM32/?fref=ts
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2017-03-06T13:19:34 < stm32> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNHcIYyYDhU
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2017-03-06T13:35:43 < dongs> i had that paused at around 5:00
2017-03-06T13:35:45 < dongs> before chrome crashed
2017-03-06T13:35:47 < dongs> opened it ferw days ago
2017-03-06T13:35:50 < dongs> maybe ill watch it tomrorwo
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2017-03-06T13:47:10 < Steffanx> Stop crashing chrome. I never crash it.
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2017-03-06T13:49:08 < stm32> things only crash when there is a new version of windows out and i'm holding off upgrading
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2017-03-06T13:49:42 < stm32> conspiracy of the cats
2017-03-06T13:49:59 < max123> coming back to the discussion from 12h ago about dma transfers and clearing a buffer after transmit
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2017-03-06T13:51:18 < max123> i have a framebuffer which i send through spi via dma which i want to be cleared by a second dma transfer in a way that the framebuffer in my ideal world is empty right after the transmit is complete
2017-03-06T13:51:40 < max123> people suggested using the halfcomplete interrupt for that purpose
2017-03-06T13:52:18 < max123> and start an erase dma transfer ie read a zero from somewhere into the buffer
2017-03-06T13:52:34 < zhivko> hello guys! Is there a way to get uS time on stm32f3 ? like HAL_GetTick() but to return time in uS instead in mS ?
2017-03-06T13:52:47 < karlp> zhivko: turn up your tick rate?
2017-03-06T13:52:57 < karlp> or use a spare timer running at a usec rate.
2017-03-06T13:53:03 < max123> BUT: spi is comparably slower than memory transfers
2017-03-06T13:53:17 < max123> and the erase transfer from memory will hunt the read pointer into the SPI
2017-03-06T13:54:08 < zhivko> @karlp: thanks - is this possible to do as configuration in cubeMx ? maybe you know ?
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2017-03-06T13:56:02 < max123> does anyone see a problem in tying my MISO pin to ground and throttling my erase process by using the spi RX register (which is in sync with the tx register) as my erase zero source?
2017-03-06T13:57:33 < max123> in other words, do you think i could sync DMAa: spi RX -> ptr[n-1] , DMAb ptr[n] -> spi TX ?  
2017-03-06T14:02:50 < Thorn> max123: why do you need to erase in the first place
2017-03-06T14:03:23 < max123> i generate frames for a display in an audio irq
2017-03-06T14:03:38 < max123> using a double buffer approach
2017-03-06T14:03:51 < max123> display can do 45fps, which i need
2017-03-06T14:04:01 < karlp> zhivko: cube is magical, cube makes your teeth whiter, I'm sure there's just a button to configure your timer.
2017-03-06T14:04:23 < max123> so: i have two buffers, one to render onto, one which is transmitted at all times
2017-03-06T14:04:42 < max123> for what i render, i need a fresh buffer every time i start a new frame
2017-03-06T14:04:56 < max123> (due to the content)
2017-03-06T14:06:10 < max123> as i cant afford a memset in one chunk in my audio irq, i need to spread the erase cycle across the whole transmit time
2017-03-06T14:06:43 < karlp> aren't you filling the buffer with the new data? why do you need to erase it first?
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2017-03-06T14:06:58 < max123> i render lines on a black background
2017-03-06T14:07:01 < Thorn> do a DPC/bottom half thing
2017-03-06T14:07:09 < Thorn> signal main thread from the audio irq
2017-03-06T14:07:22 < zyp> why not just do a DMA memset?
2017-03-06T14:07:50 < max123> and black is an 'erased' buffer
2017-03-06T14:07:55 < zyp> i.e. make a zero word buffer and do a M2M DMA transfer without incrementing the read pointer
2017-03-06T14:08:13 < zyp> then just do a DMA job to grab that buffer and write it the required number of times to erase your buffer
2017-03-06T14:08:21 < zyp> and then it'll happen in parallel with your other shit
2017-03-06T14:08:36 < max123> zyp, yes, but i need to do it in a way that my write transmit does not interfere with the read which is done at the same time, just a few bytes ahead
2017-03-06T14:08:59 < zyp> transmit?
2017-03-06T14:09:06 < zyp> oh, is this buffer across a SPI link?
2017-03-06T14:09:15 < max123> no
2017-03-06T14:09:23 < max123> imagine i want to wipe what i just sent
2017-03-06T14:09:46 < max123> in the ideal world, the buffer is automatically empty after the transmit has finished
2017-03-06T14:09:51 < zyp> isn't this double buffered?
2017-03-06T14:10:13 < max123> it is, but i'm currently rendering on the buffer i don't transmit and want to erase
2017-03-06T14:10:29 < max123> i have to switch back and forth as fast as possible to maintain fps
2017-03-06T14:11:01 < max123> so: buffer A is currently transmitted, and i render onto B. as soon as A is transmitted, I transmit B
2017-03-06T14:11:15 < max123> BUT then A is still full with the old frame
2017-03-06T14:11:43 < zyp> ah
2017-03-06T14:11:59 < max123> and erasing A after the transmit with DMA/memset in one chun costs precious time
2017-03-06T14:12:00 < zyp> in that case you can just make the DMA job triggered by SPI but still read from a zero buffer
2017-03-06T14:12:08 < zyp> so you don't need to tie MISO anywhere
2017-03-06T14:12:09 < max123> which i dont have, as i have to restart rendering new auduio data
2017-03-06T14:12:21 < max123> YES, that was my idea
2017-03-06T14:12:49 < zyp> should work fine
2017-03-06T14:12:55 < max123> tying MISO to gnd as an erase source and setting up SPI TX and SPI RX memory locations shifted by the amount of the fifo
2017-03-06T14:13:11 < max123> and then starting them simultaneously
2017-03-06T14:13:33 < zyp> TX DMA job would trigger on TXE, RX DMA job would trigger on RXNE, so the latter will always be delayed automatically
2017-03-06T14:13:37 < zyp> hmm
2017-03-06T14:13:48 < zyp> reading a zero buffer will mess up flow control though
2017-03-06T14:13:58 < zyp> guess actually reading DR would be better
2017-03-06T14:14:26 < max123> yes, that's what i thought
2017-03-06T14:14:43 < max123> will it always be delayed?
2017-03-06T14:14:50 < max123> ah, sure
2017-03-06T14:15:17 < max123> because the tx shadow reg is empty before the byte is clocked out 
2017-03-06T14:15:28 < zyp> of course, TXE needs to trigger before the transfer have happened, RXNE won't trigger until after
2017-03-06T14:15:34 < max123> right
2017-03-06T14:15:37 < max123> sweet!
2017-03-06T14:15:42 < zyp> but still
2017-03-06T14:15:55 < max123> still?
2017-03-06T14:16:04 < zyp> have you actually ran the numbers on doing a memset DMA after finishing writing?
2017-03-06T14:16:25 < zyp> the memset DMA job should be orders of magnitudes faster than the SPI DMA job
2017-03-06T14:16:37 < zyp> what's your SPI freq?
2017-03-06T14:16:48 < max123> yes, but i need to start rendering as fast as i can after i switch transmit buffers
2017-03-06T14:17:07 < max123> and it will block my bu
2017-03-06T14:17:10 < max123> bus
2017-03-06T14:17:21 < max123> spi freq is..sec
2017-03-06T14:17:53 < max123> 90/4
2017-03-06T14:18:07 < zyp> wouldn't worry too much about bus contention, the arbiter should ensure all masters gets a fair chance
2017-03-06T14:18:20 < zyp> 22.5 MHz?
2017-03-06T14:18:37 < max123> let me confirm again on which spi i'm on
2017-03-06T14:18:45 < zyp> (can stm32 SPI run that fast?)
2017-03-06T14:19:33 < zyp> but either way, 22.5 MHz SPI is a transfer speed of 22.5 Mbit/s
2017-03-06T14:19:45 < max123> yes, it is 22.5 here
2017-03-06T14:20:19 < max123> cpu is at 180
2017-03-06T14:20:59 < max123> so my memory bus should be at max 90mbit/s
2017-03-06T14:21:04 < max123> if i'm correct
2017-03-06T14:21:08 < zyp> I'm not sure how fast M2M DMA can run, but I'm guessing somewhere in the range of 50-100MHz, and it's 32 bit wide
2017-03-06T14:21:21 < max123> true, so 90*32
2017-03-06T14:21:23 < zyp> so the erase job will be about 100 times as fast as the erase job
2017-03-06T14:21:42 < zyp> so it'll add 1% overhead, or conversely reduce your fps by 1%
2017-03-06T14:21:45 < zyp> does that really matter?
2017-03-06T14:22:06 < zyp> 100 times as fast as the tx job*
2017-03-06T14:22:26 < Thorn> is ahb frequency always = cpu frequency btw?
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2017-03-06T14:22:42 < zyp> Thorn, no, there's a HPRE, but usually it's set to /1
2017-03-06T14:22:43 < max123> no, i think it is cpu/2
2017-03-06T14:22:53 < max123> is it?
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2017-03-06T14:23:22 < zyp> AHB is rated for full sysclk freq, so you'd have special needs if you wanted it lower
2017-03-06T14:23:33 < max123> ok, then i was wrong
2017-03-06T14:24:11 < zyp> and then you have one APB at /2 and one at /4
2017-03-06T14:24:19 < Thorn> and what is the ahb latency, 2 cycles with new transaction started every cycle (best case)?
2017-03-06T14:24:44 < zyp> idk
2017-03-06T14:24:50 < max123> ah, that was the /2 /4 thing! (i'm new to the architecture)
2017-03-06T14:25:11 < max123> ok zyp, so you suggest m2m over spi dr?
2017-03-06T14:25:35 < max123> it just looks more balanced to me to just do it on every write
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2017-03-06T14:25:44 < max123> that's why i'm asking
2017-03-06T14:25:52 < max123> i want to avoid load peaks
2017-03-06T14:25:54 < zyp> yeah, I like simple solutions
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2017-03-06T14:26:19 < zyp> remember the rule of optimizations
2017-03-06T14:26:35 < max123> not too early?
2017-03-06T14:26:37 < max123> :)
2017-03-06T14:26:42 < zyp> make the simple solution first, profile it to identify bottlenecks and hotspots, then optimize where it makes sense
2017-03-06T14:27:15 < max123> yes, I did that already to get to the 45 fps. I wish I had 100fps, so basically, every frame counts
2017-03-06T14:27:33 < max123> and it is ~0.5fps less with 1% overhead
2017-03-06T14:27:39 < max123> ;)
2017-03-06T14:27:48 < max123> ok, i'll try the m2m first then
2017-03-06T14:27:54 < zyp> what do you need 100fps for?
2017-03-06T14:28:02 < max123> motion blur
2017-03-06T14:28:16 < max123> things move a lot and look stuttering
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2017-03-06T14:28:35 < zyp> by the way, what are you rendering?
2017-03-06T14:28:48 < Thorn> IHI0033A figure 3-5 implies that transactions with no wait states can be issued every cycle
2017-03-06T14:29:11 < max123> audio visuals
2017-03-06T14:29:21 < zyp> Thorn, okay, that's what I imagined
2017-03-06T14:29:34 < max123> visualizing audio data which i generate on the fly
2017-03-06T14:29:47 < zyp> okay
2017-03-06T14:30:04 < max123> which depends on external signals
2017-03-06T14:30:08 < zyp> how big is the framebuffer? do you have enough memory for a third?
2017-03-06T14:30:23 < max123> hehe, you share my brain - i thought about this as well
2017-03-06T14:30:26 < zyp> if so, you can have one for rendering, one for writing and one for erasing
2017-03-06T14:30:32 < max123> yep
2017-03-06T14:30:47 < max123> buffer is 128x128x2 bytes
2017-03-06T14:30:50 < zyp> well, I'm just going through the obvious solutions
2017-03-06T14:31:20 < zyp> so 32k, a bit too much to waste when you don't have a lot
2017-03-06T14:31:40 < max123> i dont use any other bug buffers
2017-03-06T14:31:45 < max123> *big
2017-03-06T14:31:59 < max123> i just wanted to distribute the buffers over the srams to use the bus matrix nicely
2017-03-06T14:32:03 < zyp> well, if the memory is there and unused anyway, that's a viable solution too
2017-03-06T14:32:22 < max123> i'm a bit afraid of cluttering the bus matrix too much
2017-03-06T14:32:23 < zyp> the srams?
2017-03-06T14:32:35 < zyp> isn't this stm32f42x?
2017-03-06T14:32:36 < max123> i understand the 427 to have different memory regions
2017-03-06T14:32:42 < max123> yes
2017-03-06T14:32:48 < zyp> only two, not counting ccm, right?
2017-03-06T14:33:00 < max123> exactly
2017-03-06T14:33:06 < zyp> and the second is a small part that's mostly useful to keep stack separate from rest
2017-03-06T14:33:19 < zyp> so all three would go in the big part
2017-03-06T14:33:25 < max123> mhh
2017-03-06T14:33:32 < zyp> at least that's how I would imagine it
2017-03-06T14:33:34 < max123> i thought about one here, one there
2017-03-06T14:33:54 < max123> that's why i said the 3rd might be a problem in that case
2017-03-06T14:33:59 < max123> *in that regard
2017-03-06T14:34:12 < zyp> is SRAM2 even big enough to hold 32k?
2017-03-06T14:34:23 < max123> let me check again
2017-03-06T14:34:37 < zyp> on f40x I think it's only 16k total
2017-03-06T14:34:44 < zyp> 112k + 16k IIRC
2017-03-06T14:34:57 < max123> you are correct
2017-03-06T14:34:58 < zyp> and I figure f42x is then 166k + 16k or something
2017-03-06T14:35:30 < zyp> either way, keeping stack away from buffers is probably more useful than keeping buffers away from each other
2017-03-06T14:35:49 < max123> makes sense, didn't think about that
2017-03-06T14:36:15 < max123> then audio can work on stack without being bothered
2017-03-06T14:37:07 < max123> i really have to get a feeling for the bus and memory layout
2017-03-06T14:37:43 < max123> it is my first arm project and i am a bit worried about congestion all the time
2017-03-06T14:37:52 < zyp> remember that SRAM2 is end of SRAM, and since stack is downwards-growing, placing it at the end of SRAM puts it in SRAM2 by default
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2017-03-06T14:40:56 < max123> wait, stop. 427 has 112+16+64
2017-03-06T14:41:12 < max123> i was looking at the wrong figure
2017-03-06T14:42:01 < zyp> oh, the extra 64k over f40x is a SRAM3?
2017-03-06T14:42:09 < max123> yes
2017-03-06T14:42:13 < zyp> neat
2017-03-06T14:42:16 < Kerr-A> How should I go about setting/clearing multiple bits of a register at once? 
2017-03-06T14:42:26 < max123> 1,2,3 in that order
2017-03-06T14:42:30 < zyp> I haven't worked much with f42x, so I'm not super familiar with the differences
2017-03-06T14:42:46 < zyp> Kerr-A, in what sense?
2017-03-06T14:42:51 < max123> yes, i'm also not sure if this is going to be the final mcu
2017-03-06T14:43:12 < max123> maybe i have to switch to f7 for more audio voices
2017-03-06T14:43:21 < Kerr-A> IE the RCC_CFGR(32 bits) bits 0 and 1 indicate the clock source
2017-03-06T14:43:33 < Kerr-A> I need to set them at the same time
2017-03-06T14:44:01 < zyp> treat it as a field, not individual bits
2017-03-06T14:44:06 < max123> OR them with a bitmask Kerr-A
2017-03-06T14:44:21 < Kerr-A> or can only set, I need to set/clear >
2017-03-06T14:44:23 < Kerr-A> ?
2017-03-06T14:44:50 < zyp> well, rewriting a field is easy
2017-03-06T14:45:04  * Kerr-A sits, grabs pencil and paper
2017-03-06T14:45:23 < zyp> the clock source field would have offset 0, mask 0x3
2017-03-06T14:45:48 < zyp> reg = (reg & ~mask) | (value << offset);
2017-03-06T14:46:32 < Kerr-A> explain mask?
2017-03-06T14:46:45 < zyp> it masks which bits you want to change vs keep
2017-03-06T14:47:07 < max123> mask is  0b0000..000011 in your case
2017-03-06T14:47:19 < zyp> (reg & ~mask) gets you all the bits you want to keep
2017-03-06T14:47:31 < Kerr-A> okay, so it clears the bits before
2017-03-06T14:47:32 < zyp> and then you or them with the new bits you want to set
2017-03-06T14:47:51 < zyp> correct, this is an extended form of how you clear a single bit
2017-03-06T14:48:13 < zyp> you might be familiar with reg &= ~(1 << bit);
2017-03-06T14:48:53 < zyp> in that case, (1 << bit) is mask, value is 0 and offset is bit, and it ends up being the same expression :)
2017-03-06T14:49:57 < Kerr-A> so RCC_CFGR = (RCC_CFGR & 0x11) | 1 << SW | 1 << (SW+1);
2017-03-06T14:50:15 < Kerr-A> to set to xxxxxx11
2017-03-06T14:50:42 < Kerr-A> so RCC_CFGR = (RCC_CFGR & 0x11) | 0 << SW | 1 << (SW+1);
2017-03-06T14:50:52 < zyp> wat
2017-03-06T14:50:54 < max123> nah, 0x11 is hex
2017-03-06T14:50:59 < Kerr-A> derp
2017-03-06T14:51:06 < max123> you want 0x3
2017-03-06T14:51:08 < zyp> stop thinking in bits
2017-03-06T14:51:11 < Kerr-A> 0b11 with gcc extensions :p
2017-03-06T14:51:18 < max123> yes
2017-03-06T14:51:30 < Kerr-A> thats what I meant to do lol
2017-03-06T14:51:50 < max123> what is SW meant to be?
2017-03-06T14:51:57 < zyp> offset of SW field?
2017-03-06T14:52:00 < zyp> i.e. 0
2017-03-06T14:52:04 < Kerr-A> bits 0:1 of the register
2017-03-06T14:52:08 < Kerr-A> so no offset
2017-03-06T14:52:16 < max123> yo
2017-03-06T14:53:48 < Kerr-A> other than silly 0x11 would that be the correct way to do it, or should I do the second half differently?
2017-03-06T14:54:42 < zyp> I'd write it something like RCC_CFGR = (RCC_CFGR & SW_MASK) | (3 << SW_OFFSET);
2017-03-06T14:55:00 < zyp> no point in adressing each bit separately in the second half
2017-03-06T14:55:07 < zyp> also, ~SW_MASK
2017-03-06T14:55:20 < zyp> needs to be inverse to keep all the other bits
2017-03-06T14:55:51 < max123> true, that's wrong in your suggestion Kerr-A
2017-03-06T14:56:00 < Kerr-A> oops
2017-03-06T14:56:40 < max123> but other than that, your's is explicit and you can always play around with the bit values in case you fancy 
2017-03-06T14:56:40 < zyp> on the other hand, if you already know all the contents of RCC_CFGR, you don't need to do a RMW
2017-03-06T14:57:02 < zyp> in my init code, I just write the entire register because I know the other fields doesn't contain anything I need to keep
2017-03-06T14:57:40 < Kerr-A> I'm more interested in learning how to do it in general - to apply to any register
2017-03-06T14:58:12 < zyp> then you have the answer
2017-03-06T14:58:51 < Kerr-A> one other thing, what effect does this have on bits with different permissions?
2017-03-06T14:59:05 < zyp> permissions in what sense
2017-03-06T14:59:18 < Kerr-A> IE write only bits or toggle bits
2017-03-06T14:59:25 < zyp> you exclude them from the mask
2017-03-06T14:59:39 < Kerr-A> RM0008 page 45
2017-03-06T15:00:11 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/f1_usb.h#n30 <- see for instance the EPR stuff here
2017-03-06T15:00:15 < zyp> EPR contains toggle bits
2017-03-06T15:01:30 < zyp> line 57 is a self-contained example
2017-03-06T15:03:56 < zyp> toggle bits are fairly weird though, and uncommon enough that you shouldn't worry too much about them
2017-03-06T15:04:23 < zyp> the F1 USB periph is the only place I've encountered them so far
2017-03-06T15:04:37 < zyp> rc_w0 and rc_w1 are more common
2017-03-06T15:05:20 < Kerr-A> reg &= (reg & ~(mask)) | (value << offset); // technically reads reg, sets the masked bits to 0 in the working copy, sets desired bits in the working copy, then writes back the entire working copy?
2017-03-06T15:05:38 < Kerr-A> or does it somehow not touch the bits that weren't masked?
2017-03-06T15:06:15 < Kerr-A> and sorry the examples in code aren't clear to me >_< 
2017-03-06T15:06:38 < max123> where did your &= come from?
2017-03-06T15:07:02 < Kerr-A> reg = (reg & ~(mask)) | (value << offset); // technically reads reg, sets the masked bits to 0 in the working copy, sets desired bits in the working copy, then writes back the entire working copy?
2017-03-06T15:07:03 < max123> your description is correct though
2017-03-06T15:07:05 < Kerr-A> I dont see one
2017-03-06T15:07:11 < Kerr-A> :p
2017-03-06T15:07:36 < max123> scoll up 3 lines ;)
2017-03-06T15:07:45  * Kerr-A lost his chat logs
2017-03-06T15:07:49 < max123> sorry for your small screen
2017-03-06T15:07:54 < Kerr-A> lol
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2017-03-06T15:09:01 < Kerr-A> so I'm still not clear how the code on line 57 deals with toggle or write once bits
2017-03-06T15:11:12 < Kerr-A> 0x878f is the mask, 0x2030 is hex for the bits we want to set
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2017-03-06T15:11:41 < max123> without having looked at the example, i assume you just exclude them from the mask?
2017-03-06T15:13:05 < Kerr-A> the part I'm not getting is, won't writing the register technically have to write every bit? re "[05:07.07] <Kerr-A> reg = (reg & ~(mask)) | (value << offset); // technically reads reg, sets the masked bits to 0 in the working copy, sets desired bits in the working copy, then writes back the entire working copy?"
2017-03-06T15:13:35 < max123> ah - good question
2017-03-06T15:13:47 < Kerr-A> doesn't that result in the mcu reading the entire register, then writing the entire register? what values does it read for write only, toggle, or write once bits?
2017-03-06T15:13:57 < Kerr-A> and are those values safe to write back
2017-03-06T15:14:14 < max123> i see, maybe zyp knows
2017-03-06T15:14:40 < zyp> I'm in a phone meeting, I'll get back to you later
2017-03-06T15:15:03 < Kerr-A> ah, thanks for the help then, I appreciate it
2017-03-06T15:15:30 < zyp> but in general, it's just a matter of either excluding them from the mask or OR-ing the output with them (so they always gets written as 0 or 1)
2017-03-06T15:17:37 < Kerr-A> oh and speaking of which, you said you write the entire register in your startup function, wouldn't that technically result in writing reserved bits with values other than their reset value, potentially?
2017-03-06T15:19:46 < zyp> if you don't know what their reset value is, yes
2017-03-06T15:21:02 < zyp> in at least 99% of cases, reserved bits read as 0 and ignores writes, so it's not really worth worrying too much about them
2017-03-06T15:22:00 < zyp> the main argument of respecting reserved bits is the ease of porting code to a newer part which might add extra bits for new functionality that you don't want to mess with
2017-03-06T15:22:40 < zyp> but even in those cases, they would usually be 0 at reset, so if you just write 0 to reservd bits, you're still good
2017-03-06T15:23:56 < zyp> I personally prefer the simplest solution and just dealing with exceptions when I come across them
2017-03-06T15:29:38 < Kerr-A> any quick tricke for determining masks?
2017-03-06T15:29:47 < Kerr-A> *quick tricks
2017-03-06T15:30:37 < zyp> learn to transform between hex and binary in your head :)
2017-03-06T15:31:46 < max123> +1
2017-03-06T15:31:56 < Kerr-A> aside from being like RCC_HSITRIM_MASK = 0b1111111100000000
2017-03-06T15:32:09 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/gpio/gpio.h#n153 <- if you want to calculate them programmatically, you can d this
2017-03-06T15:32:22  * Kerr-A does that one in his head instead
2017-03-06T15:32:45 < Kerr-A> RCC_HSITRIM_MASK = 0xF0
2017-03-06T15:33:06  * Kerr-A thinks he messed up
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2017-03-06T15:33:56 < Kerr-A> RCC_HSITRIM_MASK = 0xFF00
2017-03-06T15:34:19 < Kerr-A> I know how, just have to stop and think atm
2017-03-06T15:34:52 < Kerr-A> its on my to learn list somewhere before asm but after how to use the stm32 timers
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2017-03-06T15:54:02 < Kerr-A> doing all the masks in hex is somehow harder and easier
2017-03-06T15:54:06 < Kerr-A> ty I think (?)
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2017-03-06T16:16:32 < zyp> anybody seen protoboard with 2mm pitch anywhere?
2017-03-06T16:16:45 < zyp> or just 2.54?
2017-03-06T16:17:53 < zyp> ah, google search found me some
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2017-03-06T16:40:53 < Rob235_> blah, why is networking such a pain in the ass
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2017-03-06T17:46:54 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgjar.co/jar/WuMs2M4O10WlflSOtBSPGQ.jpg
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2017-03-06T17:56:17 < karlp> zyp: playing with some radio module on 2mm pitch?
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2017-03-06T18:01:28 < zyp> no, it's the TI RM devboard
2017-03-06T18:01:42 < zyp> turns out the three 2mm headers are not on the same 2mm grid, so it doesn't matter
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2017-03-06T18:11:56 < Laurenceb> https://files.catbox.moe/ecv0xr.gif
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2017-03-06T18:30:50 < karlp> how's hercules treating you then? anything interesting? or just, "yeah, we need dual cores.... because.... it's safe" ?
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2017-03-06T18:50:03 < karlp> what's the difference between RM and tms570? they're both cortex-r4 stuff?
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2017-03-06T18:57:18 < Thorn> what do you mean non-stock http://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=stm32f401rb
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2017-03-06T19:41:08 < Laurenceb> https://i.redditmedia.com/umOTkLPJTIYqF-ozabSPc5594WJKFS4MMZbHrGt2OA8.jpg?w=725&s=0b6414bb2187e97182100e042e8e74ec
2017-03-06T19:42:57 < emeb> Thorn: bump up to next Flash size -> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/STM32F401RCT6/497-14047-ND/4494300
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2017-03-06T20:02:21 < Thorn> $6 looks like a lot, I've seen 401rb for ~$3 qty 10  locally (now out of stock)
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2017-03-06T20:13:59 < emeb> yep -> http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/technologies/semiconductors/microcontrollers/32-bit/Pages/2044332-STM32F401RBT6.aspx?IM=0
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2017-03-06T20:28:39 < Laurenceb> http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2372.jpg
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2017-03-06T20:38:30 < Laurenceb> http://pic.epicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/P0Qy.jpg
2017-03-06T20:38:34 < Laurenceb> ok I'll stop now
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2017-03-06T20:59:35 < Steffanx> Im proud of you Laurenceb
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2017-03-06T21:12:25 < aandrew> hm, any 4-channel 96kHz or better USB audio periphs that are reasonably hackable?
2017-03-06T21:18:12 < englishman> can confirm client is blowing up my TPS2552
2017-03-06T21:18:15 < englishman> but still dont know how
2017-03-06T21:30:22 < Steffanx> Sounds great
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2017-03-06T22:27:57 < BrainDamage> hey tectu, did you feel the earthquake?
2017-03-06T22:28:42 < englishman> did your mom get out of bed?
2017-03-06T22:29:41 < Laurenceb> its funny cuz you made a ur mum joke
2017-03-06T22:30:33 < BrainDamage> it was fairly light anyway
2017-03-06T22:30:40 < BrainDamage> and coming from switzerland side
2017-03-06T22:31:43 < BrainDamage> also, your mom is so far gps has timing corrections for her
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2017-03-06T22:41:39 < ABLomas> hello, suggest any alternative for stm32 flash loader demonstrator (win), after ftdi driver upgrade it crashes immediately; found stm32flash - ok or something better?
2017-03-06T22:41:53 < Steffanx> Tectu is dead BrainDamage.
2017-03-06T22:42:14 < Steffanx> has been offline for a bit over 2 days now.
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2017-03-06T22:44:51 < Steffanx> i think he joined leeloo.
2017-03-06T22:46:35 < BrainDamage> outranged from a tempban, or flew to canada?
2017-03-06T22:52:26 < Steffanx> not sure
2017-03-06T22:55:10 < Rickta59> how about an stlink programmer ABLomas 
2017-03-06T22:56:28 < ABLomas> does it works via uart?
2017-03-06T22:56:34 < ABLomas> i did not found this option
2017-03-06T22:56:38 < ABLomas> i have stlink but hm
2017-03-06T22:56:46 < Rickta59> no it is an alternative works over SWD
2017-03-06T22:57:11 < PaulFertser> ABLomas: stm32flash works nicely, afaik.
2017-03-06T22:57:21 < PaulFertser> But why use bootloader when you have SWD?
2017-03-06T22:57:37 < ABLomas> well, need to solder everything directly to pins
2017-03-06T22:57:46 < ABLomas> and uart is available
2017-03-06T22:57:51 < PaulFertser> Makes sense
2017-03-06T22:57:58 < ABLomas> thx going to try stm32flash
2017-03-06T23:00:44 < upgrdman> lol. reading about http response codes, and:     420 Enhance Your Calm (Twitter)
2017-03-06T23:00:44 < upgrdman> Returned by version 1 of the Twitter Search and Trends API when the client is being rate limited; versions 1.1 and later use the 429 Too Many Requests response code instead.[68]
2017-03-06T23:01:40 < karlp> doing http on embedded is a silly idea.
2017-03-06T23:01:55 < upgrdman> y
2017-03-06T23:07:11 < ReadError> ABLomas: chrome
2017-03-06T23:08:27 < Steffanx> decoded your php yet ReadError?
2017-03-06T23:08:34 < ReadError> newp ;(
2017-03-06T23:08:47 < ReadError> its not imporant, was just mostly curious
2017-03-06T23:11:55 < karlp> what pgp is this?
2017-03-06T23:12:04 < karlp> you got some injected crap hacked into a site of yours?
2017-03-06T23:14:41 < ReadError> nah it was on a server a coworker asked me to look at
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2017-03-06T23:35:46 < BrainDamage> https://i.redd.it/kdh14xxtlpjy.jpg
2017-03-06T23:37:54 < Steffanx> Sexy.
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2017-03-07T01:28:20 < corecode> so, my i2c state machine doesn't work - no state bits get set
2017-03-07T01:28:22 < corecode> odd
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2017-03-07T02:24:28 < corecode> somehow i must have implemented the "method 2" incorrectly
2017-03-07T02:24:30 < corecode> https://i.imgur.com/qsuzPOi.png
2017-03-07T02:24:53 < corecode> or the gd32 is buggy
2017-03-07T02:25:06 < corecode> always the same question
2017-03-07T02:25:06 < emeb> lol - STM32F373 inside BB-8 toy -> http://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/cracking-open-the-sphero-bb-8-star-wars-toy/30/?ftag=ACQ0569dee&vndid=1858668465&nan_pid=1858668465&ad_id=4666972
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2017-03-07T03:15:01 < dongs> is this i2c?
2017-03-07T03:15:08 < dongs> GD32 i2c peripheral is *different* from STM32.
2017-03-07T03:15:29 < dongs> you must access it teh way its shown in GD32 refman, NOT stm32 way.
2017-03-07T03:15:51 < stm32> bitch got a pussy like a field mouse
2017-03-07T03:15:59 < dongs> shut up crt
2017-03-07T03:17:21 < stm32> morning to you
2017-03-07T03:18:01 < Laurenceb_> does it still have method one and two and all the events?
2017-03-07T03:18:23 < Laurenceb_> stm32: bitch ass pussy
2017-03-07T03:19:06 < Laurenceb_> lul Ginnie got b& from twitter
2017-03-07T03:21:41 < stm32> ?
2017-03-07T03:23:08 < Laurenceb_> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/avatars/nayri-42_140.jpg
2017-03-07T03:23:13 < Laurenceb_> weirdface troll
2017-03-07T03:23:25 < Laurenceb_> even her ED page has gone now :(
2017-03-07T03:24:07 < Laurenceb_> dream waifu of every channer
2017-03-07T03:24:19 < dongs> thats a dude
2017-03-07T03:24:31 < Laurenceb_> lul yeah possible trap
2017-03-07T03:25:50 < englishman> UPDATE: Coreboot/Libreboot on AMD has ‘CEO Level Attention’ and AMD is investigating how to go about support.
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2017-03-07T03:26:35 < dongs> wat
2017-03-07T03:27:01 < dongs> so ceo level attention = 5 lunix users are slightly worried about it?
2017-03-07T03:28:01 < stm32> Laurenceb_: how much channing do you do?
2017-03-07T03:28:07 < Laurenceb_> wait which is the dramatic one?
2017-03-07T03:28:18 < Laurenceb_> stm32: when I'm bored at work
2017-03-07T03:28:33 < stm32> so like when i can't be bothered resoldering capacitors
2017-03-07T03:28:44 < englishman> dong any update on l0 availability
2017-03-07T03:28:55 < Laurenceb_> which one has the Leah Rowe drama?
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2017-03-07T03:29:40 < dongs> englishman: yes, no stock on that one you asked
2017-03-07T03:29:49 < dongs> sry, i knew that yesterday morning
2017-03-07T03:29:51 < englishman> hmm didnt i ask for 3
2017-03-07T03:29:51 < dongs> forgot to retweet
2017-03-07T03:30:01 < Laurenceb_> THIS IS NOT TWITTER
2017-03-07T03:30:15 < dongs> englishman: you only asked stm32l052k6t
2017-03-07T03:30:19 < englishman> is there a better way to find a part than to ask every part to find the one that i can actually buy
2017-03-07T03:30:26 < englishman> ah
2017-03-07T03:30:29 < Laurenceb_> twitter is the lame clone of irc that is only useful for trolling celebs from behind 7 proxies
2017-03-07T03:30:34 < Laurenceb_> irc is the useful network
2017-03-07T03:30:40 < Laurenceb_> don't mix them up
2017-03-07T03:32:25 < englishman> like, i want a low end L0 with touchsense
2017-03-07T03:32:31 < englishman> surely this exists
2017-03-07T03:32:48 < englishman> digikey has like 3 !!! l0 lines in stock
2017-03-07T03:33:14 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/ZeSy3Zu
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2017-03-07T03:34:18 < stm32> fucking reddit
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2017-03-07T03:41:04 < stm32> RS Components are now an official distribution partner of FESTO and to launch this new partnership we've added over 1,600 lines of popular FESTO pneumatic components. We are working closely with FESTO to deliver a market leading service and customer experience and can help you with your FESTO pneumatic requirements.
2017-03-07T03:42:25 < emeb_mac> pneumatic!
2017-03-07T03:42:36 < stm32> yah mate
2017-03-07T03:42:39 < emeb_mac> <insert "pumpin" reference here>
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2017-03-07T03:44:47 < kakimir> pump hard
2017-03-07T03:45:28 < corecode> somehow i must have an i2c timing issue
2017-03-07T03:45:33 < corecode> it works when i single step
2017-03-07T03:46:08 < corecode> is that a known issue?
2017-03-07T03:47:33 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKN2tvMWNZYUJHSFE/view?usp=sharing return at sunset
2017-03-07T03:48:18 < dongs> kikemir, waht the hell
2017-03-07T03:48:21 < dongs> does that even work?
2017-03-07T03:48:33 < kakimir> sure
2017-03-07T03:48:50 < kakimir> better than anything I would say in some situations
2017-03-07T03:49:07 < dongs> yeah but uh
2017-03-07T03:49:16 < dongs> i only ride like normal wide snowmachine
2017-03-07T03:49:20 < dongs> isnt this kinda setup unbalanced and shit
2017-03-07T03:49:25 < stm32> i want to make 1000w transformer
2017-03-07T03:49:40 < dongs> start winding now
2017-03-07T03:49:41 < kakimir> on powder dongs it actually rides exactly like a bike
2017-03-07T03:49:54 < kakimir> but you need to use all the power it has
2017-03-07T03:50:13 < stm32> dongs: i need to buy the bobbin first
2017-03-07T03:50:15 < kakimir> and you still wont go too fast
2017-03-07T03:50:40 < kakimir> uphill it's the devil
2017-03-07T03:50:40 < dongs> so is this some kinda ghetto conversion
2017-03-07T03:50:42 < dongs> or an official thing
2017-03-07T03:50:49 < kakimir> 3rd party kit
2017-03-07T03:51:05 < kakimir> costs around price of basic new snowmobile
2017-03-07T03:51:25 < dongs> that is kinda awesome. if I was still in alaska that'd be pretty damn cool
2017-03-07T03:51:29 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMTItV0JzZHY1LU0/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-07T03:51:43 < kakimir> a sec.. there might be something
2017-03-07T03:53:23 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1c6W8xbF_s here it is
2017-03-07T03:53:25 < kakimir> the video
2017-03-07T03:53:30 < stm32> add ice and this is how i picture the dong http://i.imgur.com/Mzp1qpz.jpg
2017-03-07T03:54:17 < kakimir> :d
2017-03-07T03:54:37 < dongs> no thats amp!six
2017-03-07T03:56:43 < kakimir> I try to film a short tommorrow
2017-03-07T03:57:30 < stm32> don't fall off
2017-03-07T03:57:38 < kakimir> I will
2017-03-07T03:58:09 < kakimir> it sucks because seat is at height of chest or even neck
2017-03-07T03:59:02 < kakimir> kick snow away from under the bike and then tilt it to opposite side and climb on and tilt it back straight
2017-03-07T03:59:39 < kakimir> then kickstart without falling again
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2017-03-07T04:06:41 < stm32> when you kickstart you always fall
2017-03-07T04:06:49 < stm32> kickstart(tm)
2017-03-07T04:10:31 < kakimir> scamstart
2017-03-07T04:10:53 < kakimir> how many kickstarts this channel has had btw?
2017-03-07T04:11:03 < dongs> i know of one
2017-03-07T04:11:07 < dongs> by fenugrec? or wahetver
2017-03-07T04:11:11 < dongs> that piksi GPS failure
2017-03-07T04:11:18 < dongs> i think emeb is doing one 
2017-03-07T04:11:19 < kakimir> :)
2017-03-07T04:11:19 < fenugrec> wut
2017-03-07T04:11:29 < dongs> it was f-something guy
2017-03-07T04:11:35 < dongs> fergusnoble: 
2017-03-07T04:11:36 < dongs> this one
2017-03-07T04:11:40 < dongs> sorry, too similar
2017-03-07T04:11:47 < fenugrec> I did a crowdsource a few months back, but not KS
2017-03-07T04:11:53 < dongs> too many fs/g/sn/s
2017-03-07T04:12:11 < kakimir> I should probs crowdsource some shit soon
2017-03-07T04:12:20 < kakimir> I can design good shit
2017-03-07T04:12:28 < dongs> good "shit" sounds about right
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2017-03-07T04:12:40 < stm32> i like his LED board
2017-03-07T04:12:41 < kakimir> that is what I meant
2017-03-07T04:12:43 < stm32> i would buy one
2017-03-07T04:12:52 < kakimir> hackled board?
2017-03-07T04:13:13 < kakimir> it would be actually crowdsourceable
2017-03-07T04:13:22 < stm32> cool
2017-03-07T04:13:26 < kakimir> leds are pop
2017-03-07T04:13:30 < stm32> why pay for your own protos when dumb cunts will
2017-03-07T04:13:34 < stm32> (proven by zano)
2017-03-07T04:13:38 < stm32> to the tune of 3mil
2017-03-07T04:13:52 < dongs> http://www.microcenter.com/product/475267/Zero_Wireless_Development_Board
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2017-03-07T04:14:56 < kakimir> stm32: how much would you pay seriously?
2017-03-07T04:15:15 < kakimir> lets summarize
2017-03-07T04:15:16 < stm32> idk
2017-03-07T04:15:31 < kakimir> 60v output max
2017-03-07T04:15:34 < stm32> dongs: that thing is meaningless to me, is it cheap?
2017-03-07T04:15:48 < stm32> i never boost LEDs
2017-03-07T04:15:55 < kakimir> was there like a million amperes output
2017-03-07T04:16:00 < stm32> lol
2017-03-07T04:16:09 < kakimir> it hads stm32
2017-03-07T04:16:14 < stm32> better
2017-03-07T04:16:33 < kakimir> uart, ethernet addon board option, can option probs
2017-03-07T04:16:44 < stm32> to drive LED
2017-03-07T04:16:45 < kakimir> analog input
2017-03-07T04:16:48 < stm32> so pro man
2017-03-07T04:17:04 < stm32> i gotta troll the LED jokers again
2017-03-07T04:17:05 < kakimir> jumper select undervoltage
2017-03-07T04:17:13 < kakimir> a fuse
2017-03-07T04:17:24 < stm32> some dirty chinkers selling 12w LEDs that blow in 20 hours
2017-03-07T04:17:27 < stm32> for 50 usd
2017-03-07T04:17:36 < kakimir> cast aluminium cool enclosure that is used as heat sink
2017-03-07T04:17:52 < stm32> i use graphite mate
2017-03-07T04:18:01 < kakimir> also ip68 possible
2017-03-07T04:18:05 < stm32> awesome
2017-03-07T04:18:13 < stm32> everything in china is ip68
2017-03-07T04:18:17 < kakimir> what else
2017-03-07T04:18:17 < stm32> until a drop of water hits it
2017-03-07T04:18:25 < kakimir> it has fan controller and regulator for it
2017-03-07T04:18:38 < kakimir> termometer input
2017-03-07T04:18:45 < kakimir> i2c
2017-03-07T04:19:03 < kakimir> testpoints - around 100 of them
2017-03-07T04:19:34 < kakimir> cortex debug connector
2017-03-07T04:19:50 < kakimir> 99.9% efficiency - basically loseless led driver
2017-03-07T04:20:26 < stm32> see you could kickstart 1 million dollars just off that
2017-03-07T04:20:47 < dongs> < stm32> dongs: that thing is meaningless to me, is it cheap?
2017-03-07T04:20:50 < dongs> stm32: look at the pricing
2017-03-07T04:21:01 < kakimir> why only 1M
2017-03-07T04:21:28 < kakimir> okay let's be realistic.. that is 1M kickstarter
2017-03-07T04:22:30 < stm32> you need the autistic edge
2017-03-07T04:23:01 < kakimir> I get depressed when I think 1M
2017-03-07T04:23:11 < kakimir> that is a failure
2017-03-07T04:23:22 < stm32> sure
2017-03-07T04:24:07 < aandrew> lossless LED driver?
2017-03-07T04:24:32 < kakimir> lossless(TM)
2017-03-07T04:24:37 < stm32> harness the incredible power of autism(tm)
2017-03-07T04:24:45 < stm32> and everything is lossless
2017-03-07T04:25:03 < upgrdman> what are you guys autisming about?
2017-03-07T04:25:41 < kakimir> actually I had a real product development idea based on that driver
2017-03-07T04:26:07 < kakimir> hack some smart public lighting based on the bloat board
2017-03-07T04:26:26 < stm32> upgrdman: well, just that.
2017-03-07T04:26:38 < kakimir> energy saving and light waste management
2017-03-07T04:27:29 < kakimir> increased service life
2017-03-07T04:27:41 < kakimir> controllability
2017-03-07T04:28:11 < kakimir> automatic constant learning adaption
2017-03-07T04:32:27 < kakimir> how did I forget this..
2017-03-07T04:32:42 < kakimir> I had another great idea
2017-03-07T04:33:12 < stm32> moss fets
2017-03-07T04:33:18 < kakimir> but this is the one that makes money easiest and therefore the starting move
2017-03-07T04:33:43 < stm32> engineers crush the souls of people with 'great ideas'
2017-03-07T04:33:55 < kakimir> I know
2017-03-07T04:34:38 < kakimir> I'm actually a person with "great ideas" and I rather crush myself so I painfully go thru all the hard stuff
2017-03-07T04:34:51 < kakimir> not that much a engineer I thing
2017-03-07T04:34:53 < kakimir> think
2017-03-07T04:35:14 < stm32> cool
2017-03-07T04:35:22 < stm32> got any great ideas
2017-03-07T04:35:33 < kakimir> if I can't make the stuff myself I'm just a wanker
2017-03-07T04:36:02 < emeb_mac> an engineer's job is to anticipate how something will fail
2017-03-07T04:36:06 < upgrdman> lol irl   https://gfycat.com/PhonyTediousIrishterrier
2017-03-07T04:36:28 < emeb_mac> people with "great ideas" are often full of fail and don't appreciate when their failure is anticipated
2017-03-07T04:37:21 < kakimir> engineer speak
2017-03-07T04:37:37 < kakimir> all the engineers have these "wisdoms"
2017-03-07T04:37:38 < stm32> kambrook forgot to patent the power board
2017-03-07T04:37:56 < kakimir> at least the good ones
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2017-03-07T04:39:25 < stm32> i wish i didn't live with alcoholics
2017-03-07T04:39:37 < kakimir> move out of australia
2017-03-07T04:39:39  * emeb_mac sips gin
2017-03-07T04:39:44 < stm32> if they sober up they'll look at each other and die of fright 
2017-03-07T04:40:54 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKel9SOXdQeGhhR0k/view?usp=sharing should I get this thing looking like something and then dickstart?
2017-03-07T04:41:09 < kakimir> what is it's name?
2017-03-07T04:41:30 < kakimir> it's made for hacking ofc.
2017-03-07T04:41:51 < stm32> i want that inductor kakimir 
2017-03-07T04:42:07 < kakimir> it's orgasmic
2017-03-07T04:42:35 < stm32> its probably the coolest thing i've ever seen
2017-03-07T04:42:37 < kakimir> all the flat coil in it and the perfect ferrite material casing
2017-03-07T04:43:04 < stm32> yes 
2017-03-07T04:43:23 < stm32> what frequency were you pumping into it
2017-03-07T04:43:50 < kakimir> probs 300
2017-03-07T04:43:53 < kakimir> or something
2017-03-07T04:44:08 < kakimir> max 500
2017-03-07T04:44:25 < stm32> yeah im going hardcore
2017-03-07T04:44:39 < stm32> gun wind me a 150khz 1kw beefer
2017-03-07T04:44:53 < kakimir> somebody talked about high freqs need good inductor
2017-03-07T04:45:04 < stm32> i dont even know whether to go flat wound or litz wire yet
2017-03-07T04:46:10 < stm32> gotta get out my 'literature'
2017-03-07T04:56:12 < branjb> anyone ever spent a long time troubleshooting why a signal didn't show up on a scope, only to realize they had the wrong probes hooked up?
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2017-03-07T04:56:54 < emeb_mac> BTDT
2017-03-07T04:57:08 < branjb> probe wasn't even plugged in
2017-03-07T04:57:19 < branjb> spent 20 min staring at my code wondering wtf my timer wasn't working
2017-03-07T04:58:18 < englishman> dongs, snowbikes are dope
2017-03-07T04:58:23 < englishman> snowmobiles are for old fat people
2017-03-07T04:59:56 < englishman> branjb: these are called rookie mistakes
2017-03-07T04:59:57 < kakimir> at least wide track ones
2017-03-07T05:00:01 < englishman> because all rookies have made them
2017-03-07T05:00:12 < englishman> but no non-rook would admit to it
2017-03-07T05:00:19 < kakimir> something grandpa uses to get to lake for icefishing
2017-03-07T05:00:28 < englishman> despite having done it probably 50 times
2017-03-07T05:04:21 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-07T05:04:24 < branjb> first time i've done it
2017-03-07T05:04:26 < branjb> 1/50
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2017-03-07T05:06:08 < englishman> youre on your way young one
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2017-03-07T05:19:25 < dongs> < kakimir> it's made for hacking ofc.
2017-03-07T05:19:26 < kakimir> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CopDK_jI6DI
2017-03-07T05:19:27 < dongs> haha.
2017-03-07T05:19:27 < dongs> no
2017-03-07T05:20:03 < kakimir> please teach me senpai
2017-03-07T05:20:29 < kakimir> do you have a point?
2017-03-07T05:23:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mrEMp8sNt4 apparently 1000cc gixxer is not too heavy
2017-03-07T05:23:50 < stm32> only ReadError can use the term senpai(r)
2017-03-07T05:24:22 < ReadError> lol no
2017-03-07T05:24:25 < ReadError> im no weeboo
2017-03-07T05:24:33 < stm32> where's senpai ReadError !?
2017-03-07T05:24:55 < ReadError> erm
2017-03-07T05:25:29 < stm32> come on mate!
2017-03-07T05:31:14 < dongs> ok time to finish watching that fontus thing
2017-03-07T05:38:07 < stm32> http://au.mouser.com/ProductDetail/CUI-Inc/CPM-2F/
2017-03-07T05:38:22 < stm32> that'd be a fun toy to play around with
2017-03-07T05:38:34 < dongs> nice price
2017-03-07T05:38:48 < stm32> yeah they're soooo cheap!
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2017-03-07T05:56:33 < stm32> IRGP35B60PDPBF
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2017-03-07T06:12:19 < dongs> is tehre such thing as dual rs485 fullduplex transceiver?
2017-03-07T06:12:44 < dongs> so 4 channels ttl -> 8 channels A/B type shit
2017-03-07T06:14:20 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/sn751177 this doesnt look common
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2017-03-07T06:21:53 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9eybY9qFfY
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2017-03-07T06:50:57 < dongs> lol.
2017-03-07T06:51:08 < dongs> having a discussion with customer why I should not bring a reset button outside the box
2017-03-07T06:51:14 < dongs> 'but what if something isnt wokring'
2017-03-07T06:51:21 < dongs> dumbFUCK, that means your code is shit and you should fix it
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2017-03-07T06:58:56 < upgrdman> because australia   http://imgur.com/lP3gfdp
2017-03-07T06:59:57 < emeb_mac> just playing leapfrog
2017-03-07T07:00:22 < emeb_mac> (that's what we told the kids when they wondered what the monkeys at the zoo were doing)
2017-03-07T07:01:13 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-03-07T07:10:33 < englishman> dongs, bullshit toshiba barrel jack inevitably broke, and got stuck in the receptacle
2017-03-07T07:10:57 < englishman> now to find $10 chink replacement that will burn the house down
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2017-03-07T07:11:36 < dongs> yea apple needs to stop patenting innovation
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2017-03-07T07:11:47 < branjb> eevblog did a video on a chinese hot water heater for a baby bath; fill sink with water, stick heater in it, and it warms the water up
2017-03-07T07:12:02 < branjb> the teardown revealed it was literally just exposed electrodes shorting in the water
2017-03-07T07:12:13 < dongs> > eevblog
2017-03-07T07:12:17 < dongs> i think what you mean is
2017-03-07T07:12:20 < dongs> "dave jobless"
2017-03-07T07:12:28 < branjb> lol
2017-03-07T07:12:42 < branjb> doesn't he make more per video than i do per year?
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2017-03-07T07:13:12 < dongs> most likely, but that doesnt make him any less jobless
2017-03-07T07:13:51 < branjb> idk if that's a bad thing though
2017-03-07T07:13:56 < branjb> >make living from youtube videos
2017-03-07T07:13:58 < branjb> >no boss
2017-03-07T07:14:02 < branjb> >dick around all day
2017-03-07T07:14:25 < dongs> if only his videos werent complete and utter shite
2017-03-07T07:14:37 < branjb> WE'RE IN LIKE FLYNN
2017-03-07T07:14:38 < upgrdman> and wank for hours about kickstarters
2017-03-07T07:14:39 < dongs> i mean, pewdipie or wahtever makes shit from jewtub vids, do you wanna be like him?
2017-03-07T07:14:45 < branjb> no
2017-03-07T07:14:49 < branjb> but
2017-03-07T07:14:57 < ReadError> ill take his paychecks
2017-03-07T07:15:00 < branjb> dave's videos give him an excuse to buy cool shit
2017-03-07T07:15:17 < dongs>  maybe cool if you're a MAKE:R
2017-03-07T07:16:06 < branjb> what's a MAKE:R?
2017-03-07T07:16:29 < dongs> https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Screen-Shot-2014-01-15-at-15.08.08-723x1024.png
2017-03-07T07:16:33 < dongs> this is a MAKE:R
2017-03-07T07:16:43 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-07T07:16:45 < branjb> lol
2017-03-07T07:16:58 < branjb> A Magazine for Raspberry Pi Users
2017-03-07T07:17:25 < englishman> turning blinky LEDs into $75 breadboard projects since 2001
2017-03-07T07:18:09 < dongs> i bet a WS2812-case-mod-controller to just stuff the entire fucking case with RGB leds for PC GAMERdoodz would fucking dickstart like hotcakes
2017-03-07T07:18:19 < branjb> i'm finishing up my undergrad degree right now; the majority of my peers think that an arduino is a type of microcontroller, and have no idea that other types of micros exist
2017-03-07T07:19:02 < dongs> wait, you mean it isn't?
2017-03-07T07:19:21 < dongs> is there a WORLD outside the ARDUINO IDE
2017-03-07T07:19:22 < dongs> i never KNEW
2017-03-07T07:19:41 < branjb> our sponsor for our senior design project specifically wanted to use an stm, one of my group mates was arguing why when an arduino is so much easier to use
2017-03-07T07:19:44 < dongs> also of note: aidsfruit is god damn ugly
2017-03-07T07:19:49 < dongs> that fuckign cockring what the fuck
2017-03-07T07:19:54 < dongs> who teh fuck thought it was a good idea
2017-03-07T07:20:57 < stm32> hwat
2017-03-07T07:22:50 < stm32> where is peter
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2017-03-07T07:25:21 < stm32> PeterM: i'm hungry for power
2017-03-07T07:31:13 < stm32> sup R2COM 
2017-03-07T07:32:58 < stm32> the crt
2017-03-07T07:33:22 < stm32> today i'm going to recone
2017-03-07T07:33:27 < stm32> do you like power electronics?
2017-03-07T07:33:49 < stm32> i wants to make 1kW ZVS full bridge
2017-03-07T07:34:12 < stm32> single phase, for audio
2017-03-07T07:34:31 < stm32> power amplifier
2017-03-07T07:35:08 < stm32> for fun
2017-03-07T07:35:16 < stm32> i like electronics
2017-03-07T07:35:36 < stm32> be a good one to put in the portfolio
2017-03-07T07:37:15 < stm32> sure will
2017-03-07T07:38:19 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb-srOfRqNc
2017-03-07T07:38:22 < dongs> apparently switch is awesome
2017-03-07T07:38:52 < dongs> in ##stm32, we do BLOG diagrams
2017-03-07T07:39:06 < branjb> that video is awesome
2017-03-07T07:39:37 < branjb> wtf is the switch
2017-03-07T07:39:40 < branjb> a new gameboy?
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2017-03-07T07:43:24 < branjb> wow
2017-03-07T07:43:44 < branjb> is this video just full of isolated cases or did nintendo launch a completely shit product?
2017-03-07T07:43:55 < dongs> the former of course
2017-03-07T07:44:02 < dongs> err latter
2017-03-07T07:44:04 < dongs> sry
2017-03-07T07:44:20 < branjb> did anyone even test it at all 
2017-03-07T07:44:28 < branjb> does nintendo have QA?
2017-03-07T07:46:09 < Thorn> https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/media/products/gallery_large/UUUSBOTG8IN.main.jpg <-- one ID pin must be grounded and the other floating, correct?
2017-03-07T07:46:51 < dongs> lol @ lcd glitches
2017-03-07T07:47:01 < branjb> how is this even possible
2017-03-07T07:47:02 < dongs> at 4.30 around
2017-03-07T07:47:13 < branjb> i'm at 8:25, there's like 10 more LCD glitches
2017-03-07T07:47:44 < dongs> lol @ people connecting werong ends of clips together
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2017-03-07T07:47:58 < branjb> so half of it is user error
2017-03-07T07:50:16 < branjb> at least it aesthetically looks nice
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2017-03-07T07:56:46 < dongs> racist
2017-03-07T07:57:55 < englishman> are you going to buy a capitalist rifle R2COM 
2017-03-07T07:58:17 < englishman> did mosin and kalashnikov teach you nothing
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2017-03-07T08:00:46 < englishman> good, you are integrating
2017-03-07T08:01:09 < emeb_mac> assimilate!
2017-03-07T08:01:28 < dongs> is that an airsoft
2017-03-07T08:01:47 < englishman> nice, off to a good start
2017-03-07T08:02:09 < branjb> why isn't your magazine black?
2017-03-07T08:02:12 < branjb> that's painful to look at
2017-03-07T08:02:21 < englishman> maybe one of the last rifles colt will ever make, they are bankrupt again
2017-03-07T08:03:01 < englishman> does your front sight show up in your scope
2017-03-07T08:04:14 < englishman> I think you will find that colt doesn't even make civilian ar15 anymore, because literally every other company is better at it
2017-03-07T08:04:29 < englishman> and now they are bankrupt, again
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2017-03-07T08:04:57 < emeb_mac> R2COM: you got here too late to visit this place: http://bit.ly/2mZMqxq
2017-03-07T08:05:15 < englishman> nice logo
2017-03-07T08:05:49 < englishman> mmhmm
2017-03-07T08:07:08 < emeb_mac> R2COM: that store is out of business
2017-03-07T08:07:21 < emeb_mac> closed about 6yrs ago
2017-03-07T08:07:40 < emeb_mac> R2COM: probably because it was in downtown scottsdale
2017-03-07T08:07:51 < emeb_mac> didn't fit in with the art galleries
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2017-03-07T08:08:54 < emeb_mac> booming business!
2017-03-07T08:14:02 < englishman> colt could not survive capitalist system, izhevsk still stronk
2017-03-07T08:22:13 < Kerr-A> RM0008 page 101/1137 | I want to multiply the HSI 8mhz clock to run the chip for now, the way to do this would be to use the PLL, correct? Then, I set PLLMUL to my multiplier... However, I notice PLLSRC 0:HSI/2 as source, 1: HSE as source.... then looking at PLLMUL, max multiplier is 16. 8mhz/2*16=64mhz... Chip maximum is 72mhz, which would require one more step in the multiplier... also, the multiplier of 16 is repeated twice, is this a mistake?
2017-03-07T08:22:24 < Kerr-A> stm32f103
2017-03-07T08:22:36 < dongs> yes
2017-03-07T08:22:41 < dongs> HSI max for F103 is 64mhz
2017-03-07T08:22:46 < dongs> if you want more than that, you need use HSE
2017-03-07T08:22:56 < Kerr-A> Thats annoying, then you cant use the usb prescaler
2017-03-07T08:23:05 < dongs> you cant use usb without external c rystal anyway
2017-03-07T08:23:09 < dongs> so thats not an issue
2017-03-07T08:23:16 < Kerr-A> ah. 
2017-03-07T08:23:29  * Kerr-A hadn't gotten to reading about usb at all yet :p
2017-03-07T08:24:40 < Kerr-A> Well, I shall continue with HSI for now... but definitely remember that... :/
2017-03-07T08:25:55 < Kerr-A> I will note that repeating the value x16 is a little stange. Why not make X1 a value? ...
2017-03-07T08:30:18 < dongs> reasons.
2017-03-07T08:30:23 < dongs> i'd guess HSI is inaccurate (given)
2017-03-07T08:30:27 < dongs> so they want to /2 it first
2017-03-07T08:30:30 < dongs> to get some more accuracy
2017-03-07T08:30:36 < dongs> before multiplying junk by more junk
2017-03-07T08:30:49 < dongs> just an uneducated guess
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2017-03-07T08:36:35 < emeb_mac> gah - fsckin' future - placed an order. they don't mention backorders until after you've paid.
2017-03-07T08:36:56 < emeb_mac> so now my order sits, waiting for crap to come in that will probably take months
2017-03-07T08:37:18 < dongs> how can they stay in business with policyl ike this
2017-03-07T08:37:19 < dongs> fucking kikes
2017-03-07T08:37:20 < stm32> internal accuracy ey
2017-03-07T08:37:58 < stm32> why don't you external crystal
2017-03-07T08:38:09 < dongs> that would make too much sense
2017-03-07T08:38:13 < stm32> yeah
2017-03-07T08:38:16 < stm32> feels like it hey
2017-03-07T08:38:31 < stm32> when did it come to the point where a crystal would blow out the BOM
2017-03-07T08:38:44 < Kerr-A> Because at the moment it's literally soldered to a tiny little lqfp48 board and sitting as a pile of wires on my desk
2017-03-07T08:39:10 < Kerr-A> there's literally no reasonable way to attach HSI atm lol
2017-03-07T08:39:33 < dongs> F103RB nucleo is like $10
2017-03-07T08:39:35 < Kerr-A> I'd have to like... IDK, sandwich it between two breadboards?
2017-03-07T08:39:36 < dongs> i know, thats hard
2017-03-07T08:40:01 < Kerr-A> I'm more interested in doing what I can from the ground up, for entertainment value :p
2017-03-07T08:40:39 < Kerr-A> I've got 32 pin ones on some other minimal board that cost like $1
2017-03-07T08:40:52 < Kerr-A> they have a 16mhz crystal on the board
2017-03-07T08:40:59 < Kerr-A> (but no usb)
2017-03-07T08:41:14 < dongs> write code that turns on that crystal
2017-03-07T08:41:15 < Kerr-A> not that im planning on using usb shortly lol
2017-03-07T08:41:17 < dongs> then enable MCO on that
2017-03-07T08:41:25 < dongs> and feed your breadboard stm32 with 8mhz clock
2017-03-07T08:41:28 < dongs> which you can then use as HSE
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2017-03-07T08:41:47 < dongs> (or basically make a 8+ mhz clock source, and use that instead of crystal
2017-03-07T08:41:57 < dongs> only need one pin
2017-03-07T08:43:08 < Kerr-A> can I use a 555 timer?
2017-03-07T08:43:19  * Kerr-A ducks
2017-03-07T08:44:01 < Kerr-A> I actually burst out laughing when you said to use MCO from one to the other, because it would work and... lol.
2017-03-07T08:44:31 < Kerr-A> $5 shipping. lolwut?
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2017-03-07T08:55:54 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1dpPWUCmVaLQ6ZdM6vPY7A
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2017-03-07T09:10:13 < Thorn> are there panel mount usb connectors that aren't $6+ apiece
2017-03-07T09:10:50 < Thorn> aliexpress has ~$1...$1.5 cables with a panel mount connector on one end
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2017-03-07T09:22:19 < Kerr-A> have.... I committed any crimes? http://pastebin.com/STyGTfqE 
2017-03-07T09:22:55 < Kerr-A> Settign system clock to 64mhz based off HSI... or committing crimes.
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2017-03-07T09:26:08 < upgrdman> ?
2017-03-07T09:26:13 < upgrdman> i've done that on f0 a lot
2017-03-07T09:26:21 < Kerr-A> its my first time
2017-03-07T09:26:25 < upgrdman> rated for 48mhz, oc to 64mhz, always using HSI
2017-03-07T09:26:36 < Kerr-A> without copying anyone's code, just reading datasheet
2017-03-07T09:26:49 < Kerr-A> its f103, rated to 72mhz
2017-03-07T09:28:28 < upgrdman> with f0 i just editing my system_stm32f0xx.c file 
2017-03-07T09:28:31 < upgrdman> like this  https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot_Firmware/blob/master/stm/system_stm32f0xx.c#L291
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2017-03-07T09:30:48 < ohsix> pus
2017-03-07T09:32:20 < ohsix> branjb: scope thing, i had moved a wire and rewritten the program and shit before i found out about it
2017-03-07T09:33:30 < ohsix> just the other day
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2017-03-07T09:36:03 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul i have 30 things on aliexpress on the way
2017-03-07T09:36:11 < ohsix> there will be lots more before i get the first thing
2017-03-07T09:36:20 < upgrdman> heh
2017-03-07T09:36:41 < ohsix> no jizz gel from ebay, and time passed on doing something about it
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2017-03-07T09:36:59 < ohsix> march second was like the 1 day i had before the 60 day time limit, and i only remembered on the 4th
2017-03-07T09:38:14 < ohsix> guh 125khz rfid readers are balls, but the tokens/widgets are the cheapest
2017-03-07T09:39:50 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/UART-125Khz-EM4100-Card-Key-ID-Reader-Module-RDM6300-RDM630/32760811056.html chance of getting unbroken seems low
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2017-03-07T09:50:19 < ohsix> aliexpress has rfid stickers :D
2017-03-07T09:51:50 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-Lot-NFC-TAG-Sticker-13-56MHz-ISO14443A-NTAG-213-NFC-Sticker-Universal-Label-RFID-Tag/32791422939.html
2017-03-07T09:52:05 < ohsix> also the naked wire form & pcb so you can pot the stuff in your own junk
2017-03-07T09:55:23 < ohsix> feel dumb for ordering as much shit as i did off ebay
2017-03-07T09:57:41 < ohsix> is there another layer deep, secret market that sells to ali and is yet another 8th the price
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2017-03-07T09:58:08 < Kerr-A> alibaba
2017-03-07T09:58:11 < Kerr-A> :)
2017-03-07T09:58:28  * Kerr-A ordered... $700 in 1/4w resistors off alibaba
2017-03-07T09:59:25  * Kerr-A at $0.0012 each, shipped.
2017-03-07T10:00:15 < ohsix> do they need broker stuff
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2017-03-07T10:00:39 < ohsix> i can use cc to get stuff off ali, know about taobao/alibaba but not how much of a pain in the ass it is
2017-03-07T10:00:42 < Kerr-A> You have to deal with actual suppliers, meet their minimm order quantities, and shippign will be half the price
2017-03-07T10:00:51 < Kerr-A> generally wire transfers on alibaba
2017-03-07T10:00:58 < ohsix> right right
2017-03-07T10:01:04 < Kerr-A> its not worth it for retail
2017-03-07T10:01:12 < ohsix> haven't ordered a ton of stuff that would be worth it, yet
2017-03-07T10:01:19 < ohsix> they probably have lots of stuff not available on ali
2017-03-07T10:01:27 < Kerr-A> im going to try and resell on ebay, for something to do
2017-03-07T10:01:41 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-07T10:01:48 < Kerr-A> you can talk to manufacturers on alibaba, custom branding/etc is a thing
2017-03-07T10:01:52 < ohsix> ya there's some shit i could see just buying a bunch of and selling
2017-03-07T10:02:08 < Kerr-A> I decided to try resistors... everyone uses resistors, right?
2017-03-07T10:02:21 < ohsix> just in my orbit there's like 15 people that want some of the shit they see me have but i'm like 'lol it's here but 2 month wait!!1'
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2017-03-07T10:02:58 < ohsix> i give some junk away too
2017-03-07T10:03:02 < ohsix> being cheap is sweet for that
2017-03-07T10:03:04 < Kerr-A> I've got 350lbs of resistors showing up on my porch tomorrow, according to ups
2017-03-07T10:03:09 < ohsix> haha
2017-03-07T10:03:15 < ohsix> how many values?
2017-03-07T10:03:19 < Thorn> Kerr-A: try iphone cables then, should be much more profitable
2017-03-07T10:03:21 < Kerr-A> 64
2017-03-07T10:03:25 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-07T10:03:39 < ohsix> keep us updated
2017-03-07T10:03:42 < Kerr-A> thorn is probably right
2017-03-07T10:03:52 < ohsix> are you going to kit them out in labeled bags and stuff?
2017-03-07T10:04:08 < Kerr-A> maybe, but thats work and my time kitting will be > cost of parts
2017-03-07T10:04:14 < ohsix> def
2017-03-07T10:04:43 < Kerr-A> Larger kits maybe, ie 6400pcs or something, 100 of each value
2017-03-07T10:04:56 < ohsix> anyone know offhand if all mifare cards are read/write
2017-03-07T10:05:12 < ohsix> how many resistors are in 300lbs? gotta be millions?
2017-03-07T10:05:19 < ohsix> or at least 500k
2017-03-07T10:05:44 < Kerr-A> 640K :p 10K of each value
2017-03-07T10:06:04 < ohsix> 640k is enough for everyone
2017-03-07T10:06:20 < Kerr-A> Supplier called it a small order lol.
2017-03-07T10:06:41 < Kerr-A> that's just one box of 10K of each value, their MOQ
2017-03-07T10:06:59 < ohsix> have you looked at wire and what the moq is generally
2017-03-07T10:07:03 < ohsix> hrmpgh
2017-03-07T10:07:11 < ohsix> how many vendors did you get a quote from for those resistors
2017-03-07T10:07:29 < Kerr-A> like 10. they varied wildly
2017-03-07T10:07:48 < Kerr-A> I figure I could have negotiated down some, but am lazy
2017-03-07T10:08:00 < ohsix> they probably don't mind the premium huhu
2017-03-07T10:08:34 < Kerr-A> some wanted moq of 5 million pcs, some wantes $.01 each, one introduced herself as "a hard working girl who expert at selling resistor"
2017-03-07T10:08:42 < ohsix> min order 10 kilometers
2017-03-07T10:08:48 < Kerr-A> lol
2017-03-07T10:08:51 < Kerr-A> of what?
2017-03-07T10:08:57 < ohsix> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Silicon-Rubber-Wire-and-cable_963971775.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.n7hcpG&s=p
2017-03-07T10:08:57 < Kerr-A> coke?
2017-03-07T10:09:04 < ohsix> random first one i saw in wire
2017-03-07T10:09:24 < Kerr-A> planning on laying some ground cables?
2017-03-07T10:09:32 < ohsix> dunno if my brain will le tme buy from a place like this without way too much effort
2017-03-07T10:09:50 < Kerr-A> it was a pita... and the system isn't particularly intuitive
2017-03-07T10:09:51 < ohsix> nah
2017-03-07T10:10:07 < Kerr-A> if I make my money back on the resistors, i'll probably reinvest
2017-03-07T10:10:07 < ohsix> but some wire is expensive in spools and shit
2017-03-07T10:10:21 < ohsix> i wouldn't mind buying a LOT and selling some to friends and shit
2017-03-07T10:10:55 < Kerr-A> If selling in small quantities isn't working out and it seems like "this was a terrible idea" I'll throw it up as full boxes at cost lol
2017-03-07T10:12:37 < Kerr-A> aww what, estimated delivery was pushed out
2017-03-07T10:12:46 < ohsix> wuh
2017-03-07T10:12:56 < Kerr-A> thursday, apparently
2017-03-07T10:13:02 < ohsix> free samples criteria in the search, and it is marked 'new'
2017-03-07T10:13:03 < ohsix> sweet
2017-03-07T10:13:15 < ohsix> free samples are my jam
2017-03-07T10:13:37 < Kerr-A> if they see you are a new member they aren't likely to give free samples, esp without business info
2017-03-07T10:13:49 < Kerr-A> My dad has a company, i put in his info
2017-03-07T10:14:02 < Kerr-A> technically he's bankrupt, but hopefully they didnt look too hard
2017-03-07T10:14:04 < ohsix> i got a srs sounding street address i can use now
2017-03-07T10:14:25 < Kerr-A> my package is in japan atm, apparently
2017-03-07T10:14:26 < ohsix> dunno about alibaba but using personal info and home address worked for a lot of stuff
2017-03-07T10:14:32 < Kerr-A> and itll be here in 2 days
2017-03-07T10:14:46 < ohsix> paid samples are ok too
2017-03-07T10:14:53 < Kerr-A> shipping.
2017-03-07T10:15:02 < Kerr-A> Shipping when it isn't an E-packet is ungodly
2017-03-07T10:15:10 < dongs> Kerr-A: what the actual fuck
2017-03-07T10:15:16  * Kerr-A hides
2017-03-07T10:15:18 < dongs>  * Kerr-A ordered... $700 in 1/4w resistors off alibaba
2017-03-07T10:15:20 < dongs> why.
2017-03-07T10:15:23 < dongs> just fucking why
2017-03-07T10:15:24 < Kerr-A> boredom
2017-03-07T10:15:29 < dongs> also: do yourself a favor, and /ignore ohsix 
2017-03-07T10:15:30 < dongs> it helps
2017-03-07T10:15:45 < ohsix> Kerr-A: thinking of batteries and shit
2017-03-07T10:16:04 < ohsix> chances are if i do alibaba any time soon it'll be retail type shiz and via samples, free or otherwise
2017-03-07T10:16:14 < ohsix> as long as it has more shit i can't get somewhere else
2017-03-07T10:16:46 < ohsix> second the usb cable thing, btw
2017-03-07T10:16:53 < Kerr-A> I want to resell the crappy tr18650 cells that are labled like 12AH but are really 800mah
2017-03-07T10:16:59 < ohsix> i got some cables off aliexpress for <30c/ea
2017-03-07T10:17:05 < Kerr-A> but I want to get them labled 800mah :p
2017-03-07T10:18:14 < ohsix> i guess talking to the vendor is the next step in finding a lower price anyways
2017-03-07T10:18:37 < ohsix> ebay was already cheap, with aliexpress now i'm on board with 'how can they even do this'
2017-03-07T10:18:59 < Kerr-A> subsidized shipping, child labour
2017-03-07T10:19:13 < ohsix> what about flashlight cases
2017-03-07T10:19:35 < Kerr-A> If I resold those resistors on ebay at ~10% margin after everything, it would beat the prices on aliexpress
2017-03-07T10:19:36 < ohsix> recent uv one i've got is pretty complicated, has some broached areas and shit
2017-03-07T10:19:57 < Kerr-A> Ie to build kits
2017-03-07T10:20:05 < ohsix> they've got to have a machine that makes almost all of the case for them to be a couple 10s of cents each
2017-03-07T10:20:26 < ohsix> china probably doesn't a have 'fuck them maximally' shit on margins either, you can find scrappy vendors that just want to sell
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2017-03-07T10:21:20 < ohsix> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/SG90-9G-Micro-Servo-Motor-for_60548404934.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.YLa6gK&s=p lul
2017-03-07T10:21:32 < ohsix> moq + listed price <<<<< ebay/ali
2017-03-07T10:22:23 < ohsix> lots of listings like that, nice
2017-03-07T10:22:40 < Kerr-A> oh i have a box of those
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2017-03-07T10:23:18 < Kerr-A> every time someone says my electronics tinkering is pointless, i plug in all 10 to a board and make them move like horror
2017-03-07T10:23:18 < ohsix> i got 6 or 7
2017-03-07T10:23:24 < ohsix> ya
2017-03-07T10:23:35 < ohsix> just putting a feather on them and having a bunch move is pretty kewl
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2017-03-07T10:24:22 < Kerr-A> oh yeah, i made a push/pull amp the other day with smd transistors, for lulz...
2017-03-07T10:24:35 < ohsix> hm some suppliers that say they're in north america are on there
2017-03-07T10:24:40 < Kerr-A> for fun, i plugged my scope to the output, and look at look at what would show up
2017-03-07T10:25:12 < Kerr-A> i literally was able to get 200ma at 8.4V at different frequencies by moving my fingers on the input
2017-03-07T10:25:40 < Kerr-A> ~around 20khz
2017-03-07T10:25:44 < ohsix> noice
2017-03-07T10:26:12 < ohsix> i was looking for encoders on ali/ebay; they're $$$$
2017-03-07T10:26:22 < ohsix> alibaba seems to have loads i've not seen
2017-03-07T10:27:17 < ohsix> hm there are people that advertise on the outer internets about accepting paypal and doing taobao brokering
2017-03-07T10:28:40 < Kerr-A> Im sure you bought a resistor kit off ali, which did you buy
2017-03-07T10:28:58 < ohsix> nah i have some already
2017-03-07T10:29:26 < ohsix> most of the 28 whatevers is stuff that is ~5$ in single units on ebay, 2$ or less on ali
2017-03-07T10:31:00 < Kerr-A> would you consider this a good deal? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Total-2100pcs-1-1-4W-Metal-Film-Resistor-Assorted-Kit-21-Values-1-Ohm-1M-Ohm/1065989389.html
2017-03-07T10:31:42 < ohsix> hm, probably, within the margin of error
2017-03-07T10:31:46 < ohsix> let me see what i did get
2017-03-07T10:32:13 < ohsix> it was like 2$ for 350
2017-03-07T10:32:26 < stm32> lol
2017-03-07T10:32:39 < Kerr-A> yeah, sounds about right
2017-03-07T10:32:49 < stm32> hi muscles
2017-03-07T10:33:37 < ohsix> 600pcs/30 values 2$
2017-03-07T10:33:50 < ohsix> they're pretty crap with thin ass leads, but they work
2017-03-07T10:34:31 < ohsix> metal film
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2017-03-07T10:37:20 < ohsix> trying to think of stuff to put rfid stickers on
2017-03-07T10:37:25 < Kerr-A> shipping is the killer on margins for small quantities
2017-03-07T10:37:40 < ohsix> 4sure
2017-03-07T10:37:54 < Kerr-A> and china doesnt pay shipping, we subsidize it with epacket
2017-03-07T10:38:02 < ohsix> stuff for 30cents shipping inclusive, what on earth is the actual cost
2017-03-07T10:38:42 < Kerr-A> well, I paid ~ 1/6th price from aliexpress listings for a minimum order from a mfg
2017-03-07T10:39:06 < Kerr-A> their cost has to be less that 1/6th what they sold it to me for, considering labour for handling etc
2017-03-07T10:39:22 < Kerr-A> I mean, ~$700, $300 of it was shipping
2017-03-07T10:40:03 < ohsix> ems?
2017-03-07T10:40:24 < ohsix> can they vacuum seal that kind of thing to make it the minimal size
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2017-03-07T10:50:15 < ohsix> hm writable mifare shits have 8k of writable area on them, that's alot of fun
2017-03-07T10:50:35 < ohsix> ahhhh i can put stickers on business cards, print qr on top, people with nfc can read them directly ololol
2017-03-07T10:50:38 < stm32> yes
2017-03-07T10:50:43 < stm32> buy from mouser
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2017-03-07T10:56:34 < stm32> its so good
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2017-03-07T11:19:56 < stm32> how do i circuit it
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2017-03-07T11:45:03 < dongs> http://www.utx-china.com/product_Show.asp?id=303&ProClass=440 any idea if t his is some standard package or wat
2017-03-07T11:50:10 < stm32> yeah
2017-03-07T11:50:13 < zyp> looks like a fairly normal cap?
2017-03-07T11:50:20 < stm32> shouldn't be some magical pakage
2017-03-07T11:50:26 < stm32> just an x2 cap
2017-03-07T11:50:31 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/839044105711804417
2017-03-07T11:50:34 < ReadError> banannanana
2017-03-07T11:50:38 < ReadError> wonder what this shit is
2017-03-07T11:50:53 < stm32> no
2017-03-07T11:51:06 < stm32> amp!6 that garbage
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2017-03-07T11:51:09 < dongs> stm32, what's a n x2 cap
2017-03-07T11:51:19 < stm32> rated for line to ground
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2017-03-07T11:51:46 < stm32> they are designed to fail safe in some regard
2017-03-07T11:52:49 < stm32> http://www.kemet.com/Lists/Filestore/EvoxRifaRFIandSMD.pdf.
2017-03-07T11:53:00 < stm32> they'll explain how i goofed the definition
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2017-03-07T11:57:09 < stm32> EMC is more important than human life
2017-03-07T11:57:12 < stm32> hence those capacitors
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2017-03-07T12:00:10 < stm32> dongs can i have a help
2017-03-07T12:01:44 < stm32> im playing a game where i suppose stonertronics have good advice
2017-03-07T12:01:56 < dongs> oic
2017-03-07T12:02:02 < dongs> have yo utried /msg amp!six about it?
2017-03-07T12:02:12 < stm32> no you know why i cant
2017-03-07T12:02:23 < dongs> you dont have him on ignore, dont lie
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2017-03-07T12:06:43 < stm32> anyway
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2017-03-07T12:15:07 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GWUWUO0?psc=1
2017-03-07T12:15:13 < ReadError> how the shit does this even work
2017-03-07T12:15:20 < ReadError> PCI-e 1x only uses 4 wires?
2017-03-07T12:16:30 < emeryth> that's a USB 3.0 cable
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2017-03-07T12:24:39 < Kliment> 2 high speed pairs, 1 for clock one for data
2017-03-07T12:25:25 < ReadError> figured there would be more required hm 
2017-03-07T12:26:39 < Kliment> Oh, sorry, I lied to you
2017-03-07T12:26:49 < Kliment> It's not clock and data, it's self-clocked
2017-03-07T12:26:57 < Kliment> So one tx pair and one rx pair
2017-03-07T12:28:29 < Kliment> They're using the low-speed pair in the cable for refclk +/-
2017-03-07T12:28:56 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-07T12:28:57 < ReadError> if it works, it works I guess
2017-03-07T12:30:04 < Kliment> smbus is presumably disconnected, the power pin is used for clkreq, jtag disabled, not sure how they're handling reset
2017-03-07T12:31:01 < Kliment> maybe by repurposing the gnd pin to be reset
2017-03-07T12:31:51 < dongs> lol no
2017-03-07T12:34:55 < dongs> BREAKING: Avalanche hits French ski slope, around Alps area near Italy border, engulfing dozens; many feared dead
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2017-03-07T12:39:53 < dongs> sadly, Laurenceb_ wasnt hurt
2017-03-07T12:39:59 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-03-07T12:40:05 < Laurenceb_> no bully
2017-03-07T12:40:24 < dongs> < dongs> BREAKING: Avalanche hits French ski slope, around Alps area near Italy border, engulfing dozens; many feared dead
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2017-03-07T12:41:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/gSfwlfe.jpg oldie but goodie
2017-03-07T12:43:12 < ReadError> I got teh vault7
2017-03-07T12:43:19 < ReadError> 3hrs left 
2017-03-07T12:44:34 < dongs> ?
2017-03-07T12:47:25 < ReadError> some wikileaks shit "important to anyone in tech"
2017-03-07T12:47:33 < ReadError> they have the torrent out
2017-03-07T12:47:38 < ReadError> pw gets released at 9am est
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2017-03-07T12:48:17 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/839044105711804417
2017-03-07T12:48:17 < ReadError> that
2017-03-07T12:48:27 < Kliment> dongs: How do you figure they're handling reset then?
2017-03-07T12:49:01 < PeterM> they arent
2017-03-07T12:49:24 < PeterM> probsd just relying on powercycling + the devices built in rst
2017-03-07T12:50:07 < Kliment> Oh, right, so Very Bad Things would happen if that cable got disconnected
2017-03-07T12:50:23 < PeterM> nah
2017-03-07T12:50:40 < PeterM> most devices have timeouts etc
2017-03-07T12:51:03 < Kliment> If it happens mid-DMA memory conrruption is basically guaranteed
2017-03-07T12:51:38 < dongs> pretty sure gamerfags dont care
2017-03-07T12:51:39 < PeterM> yeah
2017-03-07T12:51:44 < ReadError> well these are marketed towards buttcoin miners
2017-03-07T12:51:47 < ReadError> for gpu
2017-03-07T12:51:56 < ReadError> so prob not a huge deal vs. SATA controller
2017-03-07T12:52:09 < PeterM> Kliment that is true, but so what? the same hting happens if oyu pull out your pci-e card
2017-03-07T12:52:56 < emeryth> no, butcoin miners use x16 to 16*x1 expanders
2017-03-07T12:53:10 < PeterM> emeryth pci-e bifrucation
2017-03-07T12:53:12 < Kliment> PeterM: Just that it's much easier to trip over a cable than over a PCIe connector
2017-03-07T12:53:24 < PeterM> Kliment then dont be a clutz
2017-03-07T12:53:43 < PeterM> emeryth that or some full sick PLX pci-e switches
2017-03-07T12:53:55 < dongs> dude who cares about that fucking cable
2017-03-07T12:54:06 < dongs> its made for retards who burn kilowatts of power mining buttcoin
2017-03-07T12:54:10 < dongs> it doesnt fucking matter
2017-03-07T12:54:13 < emeryth> PeterM: that sounds too advanced
2017-03-07T12:54:32 < dongs> http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/cb0996a6c4925dd805a8d1a3b64e6b4b.jpg
2017-03-07T12:54:36 < dongs> i mean
2017-03-07T12:54:39 < dongs> this is what a typical shitcoin miner setup looks like
2017-03-07T12:54:41 < dongs> do you think
2017-03-07T12:54:43 < dongs> they care
2017-03-07T12:54:45 < dongs> about one cable
2017-03-07T12:54:50 < ReadError> haah
2017-03-07T12:57:17 < Kliment> This is getting me thinking about using USB3 cables for internal high-speed connections though
2017-03-07T12:57:30 < dongs> it works fine
2017-03-07T12:57:56 < PeterM> for internal ones i prefer sata though
2017-03-07T12:58:06 < Kliment> SATA only has two pairs though
2017-03-07T12:58:06 < PeterM> for external i like hdmi
2017-03-07T12:58:12 < dongs> not DVI?
2017-03-07T12:58:15 < dongs> ^_^
2017-03-07T12:58:19 < PeterM> well, mini hdmi
2017-03-07T12:58:21 < dongs> i ahve a pcie breakout box with a dvi connection
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2017-03-07T12:58:31 < PeterM> fuck that
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2017-03-07T13:03:30 < stm32> hi peter
2017-03-07T13:03:34 < stm32> i have the need for power
2017-03-07T13:06:16 < stm32> first time i actually asked a question in stonertronics
2017-03-07T13:06:22 < stm32> i got a face full of yellow cum
2017-03-07T13:07:34 < dongs> nowai
2017-03-07T13:08:07 < stm32> yeah
2017-03-07T13:09:00 < PeterM> POWAH?!?
2017-03-07T13:09:06 < stm32> yeah muscles
2017-03-07T13:09:12 < stm32> doing a 1kW full bridge
2017-03-07T13:09:33 < ReadError> ur a fuckin lie m8
2017-03-07T13:09:44 < stm32> what
2017-03-07T13:10:09 < stm32> y dat tho
2017-03-07T13:10:56 < PeterM> check this shit crt \https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B00IH2bvUnCcY2lmbllVQ0V3Tms
2017-03-07T13:12:02 < dongs> is taht warez
2017-03-07T13:12:17 < stm32> 3F3
2017-03-07T13:12:24 < stm32> hows that compare to N87
2017-03-07T13:13:01 < stm32> power ferritezzz
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2017-03-07T13:13:39 < stm32> fucks sake tho
2017-03-07T13:13:46 < stm32> my business partner is giving me the shits
2017-03-07T13:13:59 < stm32> thinks i cant rebuild 2 amps and recone 3 speakrs in 12 hrs
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2017-03-07T13:15:00 < dongs> does he also mine buttcoin
2017-03-07T13:15:05 < stm32> no
2017-03-07T13:15:17 < stm32> would have shot him
2017-03-07T13:15:53 < stm32> 3 nylon screws, your $700 horn diaphragm
2017-03-07T13:16:00 < stm32> please dont blow it again
2017-03-07T13:16:44 < PeterM> 3f3 is pretty much identicle to n87
2017-03-07T13:16:47 < dongs> #stmthirtysux
2017-03-07T13:16:50 < dongs> fuck
2017-03-07T13:16:57 < dongs> #stmthirtysix is what i meant of course
2017-03-07T13:17:12 < stm32> yea yea
2017-03-07T13:19:55 < PeterM> 3f3 is n87 -10%
2017-03-07T13:20:20 < stm32> figured it was close
2017-03-07T13:20:37 < PeterM> 3f3 handles high freq much better tho
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2017-03-07T13:21:27 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PNVSd4sI/
2017-03-07T13:21:37 < stm32> should i bother with n87 for a 150khz zvs?
2017-03-07T13:21:40 < PeterM> but yeah that tool is 10/10 for isolated smps
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2017-03-07T13:22:13 < dongs> will it do 10kw
2017-03-07T13:22:14 < PeterM> n87 is pretty shit at 150k
2017-03-07T13:22:28 < stm32> i thought i was edging there
2017-03-07T13:22:34 < stm32> what would you suggest
2017-03-07T13:22:48 < PeterM> 3f3>n87 @150k  by like 3x
2017-03-07T13:22:57 < PeterM> terms of core losses atleast
2017-03-07T13:23:01 < stm32> oh shii
2017-03-07T13:23:13 < stm32> ill order some 3f3 cores then and start with that
2017-03-07T13:24:49 < stm32> jesus fucking christ
2017-03-07T13:25:01 < stm32> im going to be pulling cooked enamel out of this gap for an hour
2017-03-07T13:27:12 < dongs> RS shipped my order
2017-03-07T13:27:27 < stm32> why rs 
2017-03-07T13:27:49 < dongs> only they have this tarsh
2017-03-07T13:27:52 < dongs> negroberryp i
2017-03-07T13:28:05 < stm32> wtf re u doing mate
2017-03-07T13:28:17 < dongs> just need a CM3 for testing stuff
2017-03-07T13:28:55 < PeterM> crt surely oyu have some solvent that
2017-03-07T13:29:02 < PeterM> will mung on the enamel
2017-03-07T13:29:17 < stm32> ipa
2017-03-07T13:29:25 < ReadError> lol
2017-03-07T13:29:31 < ReadError> ipa to remove enamel ?
2017-03-07T13:29:38 < ReadError> duno about that
2017-03-07T13:29:38 < dongs> PeterM: SN65C1167E y/n?
2017-03-07T13:29:51 < stm32> yeah idk wtf it is but its stuck in a magnetic gap
2017-03-07T13:29:51 < ReadError> acetone will
2017-03-07T13:29:52 < stm32> anyway
2017-03-07T13:30:04 < stm32> after these guys spending $5000 on speaker repairs
2017-03-07T13:30:05 < Steffanx> Anyway, where is stvn
2017-03-07T13:30:06 < ReadError> borrow mums nail polish remover
2017-03-07T13:30:14 < stm32> they'll buy the proper amps and processors
2017-03-07T13:30:28 < dongs> anal gap
2017-03-07T13:30:34 < stm32> you don't run NEXO PS15s on thanks mate
2017-03-07T13:31:22 < dongs> my comp0uter is SO FUCKING SLOW
2017-03-07T13:31:30 < dongs> each new fucking chrome window takes seconds to open
2017-03-07T13:31:33 < dongs> fucking garbage
2017-03-07T13:31:43 < stm32> get a mac
2017-03-07T13:31:51 < ReadError> rebuilt my hackintosh on 10.12 the other day
2017-03-07T13:31:57 < ReadError> and put 32gb in
2017-03-07T13:31:58 < stm32> wut
2017-03-07T13:31:59 < ReadError> flies 
2017-03-07T13:32:03 < stm32> oh
2017-03-07T13:32:14 < dongs> its easyto fly doing nothing
2017-03-07T13:32:24 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tA3bW3tR/rebuilttt.png
2017-03-07T13:32:24 < dongs> the usual excuse lunix fags use is like "my computer has hueg uptime"
2017-03-07T13:32:29 < dongs> I can put a machine running DOS under my bed
2017-03-07T13:32:33 < dongs> and it['ll ahve years of uptime too
2017-03-07T13:32:36 < dongs> doesn't mean its useful
2017-03-07T13:33:15 < ReadError> eh its still more useful than apple desktops
2017-03-07T13:33:23 < ReadError> I like the OS
2017-03-07T13:36:05 < stm32> til the bitter end
2017-03-07T13:36:17 < PeterM> dongs dunno, never used it seems legit though
2017-03-07T13:36:25 < dongs> ok
2017-03-07T13:36:29 < dongs> i m just wondering if I should use a dual thing
2017-03-07T13:36:31 < dongs> or 2 singles
2017-03-07T13:36:38 < dongs> spce is not really a problem
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2017-03-07T13:37:08 < PeterM> use whichever is cheapest
2017-03-07T13:37:19 < dongs> that is true
2017-03-07T13:37:28 < stm32> windows til i clone
2017-03-07T13:37:35 < PeterM> the dual are probs just 2x the singel die anyway
2017-03-07T13:39:46 < dongs> SOIC16 is the worst fucking pa ckage in teh world
2017-03-07T13:39:48 < PeterM> crt get some https://www.bunnings.com.au/diggers-4l-general-purpose-lacquer-thinner_p1560106 for hard to dissolve stuff
2017-03-07T13:39:50 < dongs> there's liek 10 width variations
2017-03-07T13:39:58 < PeterM> ugh
2017-03-07T13:39:59 < PeterM> eyah
2017-03-07T13:40:23 < dongs> i already have footprint for 5.4 and 9.3 and of COURSE this shit is 6.8
2017-03-07T13:40:33 < Steffanx> Now build one using a 10x0 ReadError
2017-03-07T13:40:43 < dongs> the fuck is 10x0
2017-03-07T13:40:44 < ReadError> Steffanx: thought about getting a 1060
2017-03-07T13:40:45 < Steffanx> Nvidia 10x0.
2017-03-07T13:40:45 < dongs> some mac talk?
2017-03-07T13:40:48 < dongs> oh
2017-03-07T13:40:50 < ReadError> but i dont game on this
2017-03-07T13:40:57 < dongs> how do you game on a macfag LOL
2017-03-07T13:41:01 < ReadError> have a 1060 in my main rig
2017-03-07T13:41:06 < Steffanx> Good luck. With no drivers :P
2017-03-07T13:41:11 < ReadError> ermm what
2017-03-07T13:41:15 < Steffanx> Steam dongs ;)
2017-03-07T13:41:20 < ReadError> nvidia has webkit driver
2017-03-07T13:41:32 < ReadError> full 3d accel, gsync
2017-03-07T13:41:45 < Steffanx> Nvidia web crap doesnt do pascal
2017-03-07T13:43:58 < ReadError> ahh guess they dont have the 10x0 driver released yert
2017-03-07T13:44:09 < Steffanx> Nein.
2017-03-07T13:44:39 < stm32> hi sfnt
2017-03-07T13:45:12 < ReadError> 770 is fine for me anyways
2017-03-07T13:45:19 < ReadError> have 2 of them if I need a 2nd
2017-03-07T13:49:28 < dongs> <ReadError> I haev a mac, so i have to come up with excuses why I can't use hardware from this century
2017-03-07T13:49:33 < dongs> <ReadError> also I'm a faggot
2017-03-07T13:49:41 < ReadError> <-- incredibly gay
2017-03-07T13:51:51 < stm32> hah
2017-03-07T13:52:23 < dongs> whats the rule for 485 DE/RE stuff, can i jsut leave those tied to vcc/gnd or is there ever gonna be time when I wanna turn them on/off?
2017-03-07T13:52:34 < dongs> in my DMX shit i didnt care
2017-03-07T13:59:59 < zyp> on the JVS shit, I use the DE output feature of the uart
2017-03-07T14:00:32 < zyp> and since it's DE and !RE, I hooked them both together, so I don't receive what I write
2017-03-07T14:00:54 < dongs> yeah but this shit is fullduplekx
2017-03-07T14:01:00 < zyp> 422?
2017-03-07T14:01:17 < zyp> 485 can't be fdx, it's shared medium
2017-03-07T14:01:19 < dongs> 485, but i mean, i have separate AB/YZ shits
2017-03-07T14:01:40 < zyp> uh, isn't shared/separate the whole difference between 485 and 422?
2017-03-07T14:01:48 < dongs> shrug
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2017-03-07T14:01:57 < dongs> isnt it same thing over the wire?
2017-03-07T14:02:00 < dongs> this is just point to point
2017-03-07T14:02:04 < dongs> to avoid noise/wahtever
2017-03-07T14:02:07 < dongs> there's drivers on both ends
2017-03-07T14:02:14 < dongs> and i'll have control over protocol
2017-03-07T14:02:14 < zyp> sure
2017-03-07T14:02:26 < zyp> so you're doing 422 :p
2017-03-07T14:02:29 < dongs> probably
2017-03-07T14:03:08 < zyp> for 422 you never have to switch direction or anything, so you can just leave all drivers enabled all the time
2017-03-07T14:03:23 < zyp> just like for rs232
2017-03-07T14:03:24 < dongs> yeah . and i think some devices wont even need TX going to them
2017-03-07T14:03:41 < dongs> but im gonna leave that just in case
2017-03-07T14:04:09 < stm32> k
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2017-03-07T14:12:40 < dongs> so perm enable is DE high, RE low yea
2017-03-07T14:13:06 < dongs> did they make it inverted like that so you can dick it with single GPIO?
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2017-03-07T14:13:24 < zyp> yeah, like I said that's what I do
2017-03-07T14:13:39 < dongs> ya but you use C++11
2017-03-07T14:13:39 < zyp> hook them together and it becomes a send/receive switch
2017-03-07T14:15:40 < dongs> kay
2017-03-07T14:18:33 < dongs> so B is +, A is minus?
2017-03-07T14:18:40 < dongs> fucking ass-backwards
2017-03-07T14:19:09 < zyp> hahaha, good fucking luck making sense of that
2017-03-07T14:19:26 < zyp> hint: different vendors label A/B differently
2017-03-07T14:19:29 < dongs> nice
2017-03-07T14:20:35 < stm32> bogan technical college
2017-03-07T14:21:04 < karlp> hrm, can't decide whether to get a hotair+solder or just hot air, price is almost same, 
2017-03-07T14:21:21 < dongs> GAYOUE
2017-03-07T14:21:26 < stm32> JBC
2017-03-07T14:23:49 < dongs> https://www.acmesystems.it/www/DAISY-10/daisy10_rs422wiring.jpg ok looks legit
2017-03-07T14:24:06 < dongs> .. tehy call A/B different
2017-03-07T14:24:08 < dongs> from what I found in other pics
2017-03-07T14:24:09 < dongs> lOL
2017-03-07T14:24:40 < dongs> i think ill jsut call my shit A/B/Y/Z
2017-03-07T14:24:42 < dongs> to avoid aids.
2017-03-07T14:27:51 < zyp> do you control both ends in this case?
2017-03-07T14:27:57 < dongs> ya
2017-03-07T14:28:09 < zyp> I'd just label shit tx+/tx-/rx+/rx-
2017-03-07T14:28:18 < dongs> and what do I call + then?
2017-03-07T14:28:22 < zyp> unless I had to conform to a different standard of marking
2017-03-07T14:28:29 < karlp> dongs: yeah, a/b vs +/- is a shitstorm.
2017-03-07T14:28:50 < dongs> im seeing that
2017-03-07T14:28:50 < zyp> + should be whatever is positive for 1, right?
2017-03-07T14:28:54 < dongs> just from a couple google searches
2017-03-07T14:29:00 < karlp> doesn't matter which way you pick, some devices you'll end up swapping the wires
2017-03-07T14:29:04 < dongs> zyp, sure
2017-03-07T14:29:13 < dongs> so then Y = +
2017-03-07T14:29:17 < karlp> zyp: perhaps, but that's not what the A/B pins are marked as sometimes.
2017-03-07T14:29:34 < dongs> that shit i just linked has it like that
2017-03-07T14:29:42 < zyp> karlp, I know
2017-03-07T14:30:09 < zyp> we've talked about it before, when I came across some modbus shit in my old job
2017-03-07T14:30:18 < karlp> yar.
2017-03-07T14:30:26 < stm32> zyp where is lelp
2017-03-07T14:30:29 < stm32> lelo
2017-03-07T14:30:46 < zyp> I like can, canl/canh is pretty unambiguous
2017-03-07T14:31:12 < karlp> well, it's normally ok on rs485 too.  there's two wires, if it doesn't work, you switch them.
2017-03-07T14:31:28 < karlp> but yeah, we do keep a wiki page with the correct wiring for a bunch of third party devices :)
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2017-03-07T14:34:23 < stm32> zyp did you prove c++ was invented by the patriarchy
2017-03-07T14:34:36 < dongs> notfunnycrt.png
2017-03-07T14:35:18 < stm32> damn you
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2017-03-07T14:41:47 < Laurenceb> c+=
2017-03-07T14:41:55 < Laurenceb> thats the way to go
2017-03-07T14:42:12 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017NT8Q24?psc=1
2017-03-07T14:42:20 < ReadError> when did making routers look retarded become a thing?
2017-03-07T14:42:22 < stm32> go fuck your sister Laurence
2017-03-07T14:42:34 < Laurenceb> lulwut I don't have one
2017-03-07T14:42:43 < dongs> i think he has a cousin
2017-03-07T14:42:43 < stm32> still try it
2017-03-07T14:42:44 < dongs> or omsething
2017-03-07T14:42:48 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/RT-AC5300-Wireless-Tri-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B0167HG1V6/  like this
2017-03-07T14:42:49 < dongs> on facebook
2017-03-07T14:43:02 < Laurenceb> I have another cousin who is a famous camwhore
2017-03-07T14:43:02 < dongs> why teh fuck is that thing $350
2017-03-07T14:43:11 < Laurenceb> cuz over 9000 MIMO
2017-03-07T14:43:11 < dongs> on 4chan?
2017-03-07T14:43:15 < Laurenceb> yes
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2017-03-07T14:43:36 < stm32> dongs because they didnt waste 5mil kickstarting it
2017-03-07T14:43:39 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39187929
2017-03-07T14:43:43 < karlp> yeah, somehow routers started going up in price again, instead of down.
2017-03-07T14:43:46 < Laurenceb> lul thanx for the group name
2017-03-07T14:43:53  * Laurenceb takes a seat over there
2017-03-07T14:44:17 < ReadError> Built-in access to WTFast Gamers Private Network (GPN) of route-optimized servers ensures low, stable ping times for gaming
2017-03-07T14:44:18 < ReadError> lol
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2017-03-07T14:46:00 < Laurenceb>  *silence as everyone joins the facebook groups*
2017-03-07T14:46:14 < zyp> I like ubnt network gear, it's pretty decent
2017-03-07T14:47:20 < dongs> did tehy name themvelves after 'ubunto'
2017-03-07T14:47:34 < Laurenceb> https://bp.langweiledich.net/CDXXXVII/LangweileDich.net_Bilderparade_CDXXXVII_60.gif
2017-03-07T14:47:50 < zyp> no, it's short for ubiquiti networks
2017-03-07T14:47:59 < dongs> but how do you know that
2017-03-07T14:49:52 < Steffanx> Uqbiquiti \o/
2017-03-07T14:50:12 < Steffanx> I "love" my unifi ap. Because it just works
2017-03-07T14:50:41 < zyp> same
2017-03-07T14:50:59 < zyp> the new unifi switches looks neat too
2017-03-07T14:54:09 < sync_> aruba <3
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2017-03-07T14:59:16 < Steffanx> On holiday sync_?
2017-03-07T15:02:06 < sync_> nah, but I prefer aruba aps over ubnt
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2017-03-07T15:10:03 < dongs> so nintendo ditch plugs into dock and has HDMI out?
2017-03-07T15:12:20 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/839100031256920064
2017-03-07T15:12:31 < dongs> thanks
2017-03-07T15:12:34 < dongs> lets see what boring shit they have
2017-03-07T15:12:39 < ReadError> its a CIA dump
2017-03-07T15:12:42 < ReadError> so maybe some good shit
2017-03-07T15:13:02 < dongs> err. i dont have 7za.exe here
2017-03-07T15:14:02 < ReadError> apt-get install 
2017-03-07T15:14:05 < ReadError> if u win10 like dat
2017-03-07T15:14:45 < ReadError> p7zip
2017-03-07T15:14:59 < dongs> what the shit are you talking about
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2017-03-07T15:16:00 < ReadError> ./year0/vault7/cms/files/Bootstrapper.png
2017-03-07T15:16:00 < ReadError> ./year0/vault7/cms/files/BypassAVDynamics.pdf
2017-03-07T15:16:00 < ReadError> ./year0/vault7/cms/files/C++ Frequently Questioned Answers.pdf
2017-03-07T15:16:00 < ReadError> ./year0/vault7/cms/files/CAC
2017-03-07T15:16:06 < ReadError> if you have bash for windows 10
2017-03-07T15:16:11 < ReadError> you can apt-get install <package>
2017-03-07T15:16:24 < ReadError> it works pretty well too
2017-03-07T15:17:03 < ReadError> ./year0/vault7/cms/files/FTDIUSBSerialDriver_v2_2_18.dmg
2017-03-07T15:17:03 < ReadError> ./year0/vault7/cms/files/fugitive.zip.pdf
2017-03-07T15:17:05 < ReadError> wtf 
2017-03-07T15:17:23 < stm32> A I D S
2017-03-07T15:17:28 < ReadError> all kinds of hardware hacking shit 
2017-03-07T15:19:27 < dongs> something is fucked with softlayer this machine is slow as balls
2017-03-07T15:20:24 < stm32> autism alert
2017-03-07T15:20:26 < stm32> autism alert
2017-03-07T15:20:27 < stm32> https://www.elektormagazine.com/news/2-x-50-watt-desktop-valve-amplifier-kickstarts
2017-03-07T15:20:56 < dongs> 'mellow sound'
2017-03-07T15:20:58 < dongs> lmao
2017-03-07T15:21:02 < stm32> 100 watt (2 x 50 W) class D amplifier using Texas Instruments TPA3116 
2017-03-07T15:21:32 < dongs> 4-point PCB grounding direct to standoffs milled into the case
2017-03-07T15:21:32 < dongs> wpw
2017-03-07T15:21:38 < dongs> bookmarked
2017-03-07T15:21:40 < stm32> WOAAA
2017-03-07T15:21:51 < dongs> gonna use this stuff when I write spec sheets for some junk soon
2017-03-07T15:21:58 < stm32> Price orientation: Pledges of NZ$ 699 (£400) will be rewarded with one Desktop Valve Amplifier. Check out the Kickstarter page and the video below.
2017-03-07T15:22:13 < stm32> yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2017-03-07T15:22:20 < dongs> haha
2017-03-07T15:22:31 < dongs> how many millions do tehy have now
2017-03-07T15:22:32 < stm32> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/970055861/art-and-technology-together-the-desktop-valve-ampl
2017-03-07T15:22:36 < dongs> oh, its almost over
2017-03-07T15:22:41 < dongs> looks liek someone's mom will need to donate the final 5jk
2017-03-07T15:22:43 < dongs> 5k
2017-03-07T15:22:52 < stm32> lol
2017-03-07T15:23:06 < stm32> 50K FOR A VALVE PREAMP!
2017-03-07T15:24:10 < stm32> coz that hasn't been done like 100 thousand times
2017-03-07T15:24:22 < dongs> failured on bakerclub.co
2017-03-07T15:24:26 < dongs> i think those guys take like 10%
2017-03-07T15:24:29 < dongs> for thier 'service'
2017-03-07T15:25:01 < dongs> finally ican fucking unrar it
2017-03-07T15:25:06 < stm32> yuh
2017-03-07T15:25:24 < stm32> you cant unrar assburgers
2017-03-07T15:27:14 < Laurenceb> autism intensifies
2017-03-07T15:27:28 < Laurenceb> can we unlearn aspergers?
2017-03-07T15:28:25 < dongs> readstoner, this 'dump' is a joke right
2017-03-07T15:28:29 < dongs> its full if retarded meme.jpgs
2017-03-07T15:29:06 < Laurenceb> wtf is this
2017-03-07T15:29:10 < Laurenceb> surely a troll
2017-03-07T15:29:51 < Laurenceb> where the hell is the zip?
2017-03-07T15:30:00 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/RkOof
2017-03-07T15:30:03 < dongs> its full of shit like this
2017-03-07T15:30:03 < dongs> lol
2017-03-07T15:30:13 < stm32> fuck my dog
2017-03-07T15:30:22 < Laurenceb> FTDI drivers are CIA hack?!
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2017-03-07T15:31:02 < dongs> IE10-Windows6.1-KB3032359-x64.msu
2017-03-07T15:31:02 < dongs> lul
2017-03-07T15:31:07 < Laurenceb> good job I use cp2102 on lunix
2017-03-07T15:31:09 < dongs> TY2SZxA - Imgur.gif
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2017-03-07T15:31:30 < dongs> man this is some retarded shit
2017-03-07T15:31:38 < emeryth> cia uses meme magic
2017-03-07T15:32:19 < dongs> http://imgur.com/9MjQ7mo
2017-03-07T15:32:20 < dongs> ..
2017-03-07T15:32:23 < Laurenceb> cia is just a bunch of irc shitposters
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2017-03-07T15:32:59 < dongs> hackerway.pdf
2017-03-07T15:34:14 < dongs> vi-vim-tutorial-gif.zip
2017-03-07T15:34:37 < dongs> this is fucking awful
2017-03-07T15:34:40 < dongs> shift-del'ing this trash
2017-03-07T15:36:26 < dongs> your tweet to wikileaks has been sent
2017-03-07T15:36:52 < dongs> https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy/status/839107408534224898
2017-03-07T15:38:09 < emeryth> #rekt
2017-03-07T15:39:48 < Laurenceb> epin
2017-03-07T15:42:07 < ReadError> lol
2017-03-07T15:42:23 < ReadError> they made a portable VLC exploit?? why
2017-03-07T15:46:37 < dongs>  haha
2017-03-07T15:46:40 < dongs> Pro_Vs_Noob.jpg
2017-03-07T15:50:44 < Laurenceb> wait there are actual exploits in there?
2017-03-07T15:50:50 < dongs> no
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2017-03-07T15:52:26 < ReadError> nothing good far as I can tell
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2017-03-07T15:58:26 < dongs> ok ithink tis time to restart chrome
2017-03-07T15:58:35 < dongs> getting like 1second lags pretty much doing anything
2017-03-07T15:58:56 < dongs> 8gb ram used by a fucking browser
2017-03-07T15:58:58 < dongs> fuck you
2017-03-07T16:00:05 < Laurenceb> hahah wow
2017-03-07T16:03:09 < ReadError> i got one of them metal creditcards
2017-03-07T16:03:15 < ReadError> make of metal
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2017-03-07T16:12:37 < Steffanx> And how many tabs do you open om average mr dongs?
2017-03-07T16:13:01 < dongs> zero
2017-03-07T16:13:06 < dongs> i use browser WINDOWS
2017-03-07T16:13:10 < Steffanx> You dont open pdfs in chrome do you?
2017-03-07T16:13:14 < dongs> fuck no
2017-03-07T16:13:18 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-07T16:13:23 < dongs> chrome pdf viewer is fucking javascript dude
2017-03-07T16:13:36 < Steffanx> I still wonder how you manage to do 8GB
2017-03-07T16:13:45 < dongs> i dunno i had like ~30 browser windows open?
2017-03-07T16:13:56 < dongs> enough to fill a horizontal list of windows in explorer 
2017-03-07T16:13:59 < Steffanx> No adblock?
2017-03-07T16:14:03 < dongs> no
2017-03-07T16:17:53 < Laurenceb> http://www.londonshomrim.com/about-us.html
2017-03-07T16:17:56 < Laurenceb> lullin
2017-03-07T16:18:03 < Laurenceb> a job for dongs
2017-03-07T16:18:49 < dongs> is this the whaaambulance you call when someone calls y ou a filthy jew?
2017-03-07T16:18:55 < Laurenceb> correct
2017-03-07T16:19:04 < Laurenceb> also ur now in jail dude
2017-03-07T16:20:18 < ReadError> ./cms/files/How To Set Up Apache Virtual Hosts on Ubuntu 14.pdf
2017-03-07T16:20:26 < ReadError> some quality stuff here boys
2017-03-07T16:20:29 < Laurenceb> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2013/aug/28/having-to-pay-tomato-ketchup-racist
2017-03-07T16:25:18 < ReadError> wasnt funny 4 years ago
2017-03-07T16:25:20 < ReadError> not funny now
2017-03-07T16:25:31 < kakimir> that doesn't stop Laurenceb 
2017-03-07T16:25:48 < kakimir> it doesn't need to ne funny
2017-03-07T16:25:57 < kakimir> away>
2017-03-07T16:25:59 < Laurenceb> I'm lolling
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2017-03-07T16:48:47 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/DVsUlFl.png
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2017-03-07T16:51:05 < englishman> Laurenceb: http://www.cbc.ca/listen/live/radio1/quebec-city
2017-03-07T16:51:10 < englishman> piece on 4chan
2017-03-07T16:51:13 < englishman> including 5min on pepe
2017-03-07T16:51:24 < englishman> talking about your pal milo now
2017-03-07T16:51:27 < Laurenceb> listen?! dude I dont have time for that shit
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2017-03-07T16:51:41 < Laurenceb> lul I probably have his phone number somewhere
2017-03-07T16:51:43 < Laurenceb> no homo
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2017-03-07T16:59:43 < dongs> < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/DVsUlFl.png
2017-03-07T16:59:46 < dongs> oh wow
2017-03-07T16:59:51 < dongs> that image has made it the fuck around
2017-03-07T16:59:54 < dongs> look at all the jpeg artifacts
2017-03-07T17:00:00 < dongs> hwen I first pasted it in here a month ago
2017-03-07T17:00:05 < dongs> it was a clean png of actual screenshot
2017-03-07T17:00:09 < Laurenceb> lelz
2017-03-07T17:00:33 < zyp> still just as unfunny
2017-03-07T17:00:50 < Laurenceb> zyp confirmed as butthurt trap
2017-03-07T17:01:15 < zyp> not butthurt, just bored
2017-03-07T17:01:59 < dongs> <Laurenceb> I'm a trans-species ficus who identifies a heteronormative genderqueer John Deere tractor with self-diagnosed Assburgers and vaccine-induced autism. Fully fluid stamens and orthodox non-ternary geschiftenklutchen.
2017-03-07T17:02:05 < englishman> so why the hell are these tps2552 dying
2017-03-07T17:02:10 < englishman> measured load is 400mA peak
2017-03-07T17:02:29 < Laurenceb> cuz they have fragile masculinity
2017-03-07T17:02:37 < englishman> peak input voltage is <6V even on dcdc startup
2017-03-07T17:02:51 < dongs> i was gonna ask something about something
2017-03-07T17:03:16 < dongs> maybe rs485
2017-03-07T17:03:17 < dongs> o yea
2017-03-07T17:03:19 < dongs> do i need to termiante that shit
2017-03-07T17:03:23 < dongs> for like 1 meter runs? of stuff
2017-03-07T17:04:11 < zyp> just throw a resistor in each end and be happy
2017-03-07T17:04:24 < dongs> means?
2017-03-07T17:04:27 < dongs> the 120R termination shit?
2017-03-07T17:04:46 < zyp> I mean, if you're doing point to point, just put it on the board next to the transceiver, done
2017-03-07T17:04:56 < dongs> right, but is it needed?
2017-03-07T17:05:15 < zyp> in practice? probably not
2017-03-07T17:05:29 < zyp> in theory? find and read a spec
2017-03-07T17:05:29 < dongs> im lookin at some appnote and its needed but they're talkin about "150 feet'
2017-03-07T17:05:36 < dongs> https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/763
2017-03-07T17:05:47 < Laurenceb> its designed for long impedance matched runs
2017-03-07T17:05:53 < dongs> but yeah ok ill stick it on both ends, fuckit
2017-03-07T17:06:11 < dongs> can always NP it
2017-03-07T17:06:14 < dongs> when it doesnt matter
2017-03-07T17:06:37 < zyp> in the ev shit, I'm considering throwing resistor and a jumper on the board so I can disconnect can termination
2017-03-07T17:07:20 < zyp> considered doing some clever software controlled termination shit, but fuckit
2017-03-07T17:07:37 < zyp> that breaks down if a node loses power
2017-03-07T17:07:41 < dongs> my kickstarter pal last year wasted like a week on 'auto termination' circuit and kept messaging me with his amazing innovations
2017-03-07T17:07:48 < dongs> today he emailed me a changes PDF
2017-03-07T17:07:54 < dongs> and the entire can circuit got a red circle over it
2017-03-07T17:07:58 < zyp> haha
2017-03-07T17:08:00 < dongs> so they've finally decided to get rid of that shit entirely
2017-03-07T17:09:14 < dongs> im thankful, beacuse the whole thing was retarded anyway
2017-03-07T17:09:22 < dongs> all I got out of it was a microchip canbus analyzer shit
2017-03-07T17:09:26 < dongs> i think aroudn $100bux? free
2017-03-07T17:09:45 < zyp> obtw, speaking of ev shit, what happened with that energy measurement board?
2017-03-07T17:09:46 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/MICROCHIP-APGDT002-ANALYZER-TOOL-ISO11898-2/dp/B00DK2AJXS
2017-03-07T17:09:51 < dongs> zyp, on my desk behind me
2017-03-07T17:09:55 < zyp> cool
2017-03-07T17:09:55 < dongs> with breakout
2017-03-07T17:10:09 < zyp> lemme know when you've got time to assemble shit
2017-03-07T17:10:27 < dongs> i hope i can before china or else we can get some chinagirl stencils and i can bring those back
2017-03-07T17:10:30 < dongs> also parts?
2017-03-07T17:11:14 < zyp> you got the mouser parts already, and I'll do the PTH myself
2017-03-07T17:11:26 < dongs> the rest is just standard stuff?
2017-03-07T17:11:30 < dongs> do i even have a bom for this?
2017-03-07T17:11:41 < dongs> ah yea i do
2017-03-07T17:11:56 < karlp> dongs: in my world, biasing the liens up and down has been far more important than the line termination.
2017-03-07T17:11:56 < dongs> uhh i dont have 21 240k resistors
2017-03-07T17:11:57 < dongs> lulz
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2017-03-07T17:11:58 < zyp> bunch of passives, couple transistors and the FFC shit
2017-03-07T17:12:19 < dongs> i think i got 220k
2017-03-07T17:12:21 < dongs> will that work??
2017-03-07T17:12:50 < dongs> was ffc also chinashit?
2017-03-07T17:12:55 < dongs> did you save part numbers and stuff for it
2017-03-07T17:12:58 < karlp> (like, we had a user who had it working with no termination, but not working with termination)
2017-03-07T17:12:59 < zyp> yeah, those clones you got me datasheets for
2017-03-07T17:13:03 < zyp> part number is in the BOM
2017-03-07T17:13:18 < dongs> karlp: so waht does that mean "biasing the lines up and down"?
2017-03-07T17:13:24 < zyp> pullup/down
2017-03-07T17:13:27 < dongs> oh
2017-03-07T17:13:32 < dongs> well, shit
2017-03-07T17:13:42 < dongs> but then again, his stuff is real RS485 and not point to point stuff?
2017-03-07T17:13:54 < zyp> true
2017-03-07T17:13:55 < zyp> hmm
2017-03-07T17:14:07 < zyp> I don't think I have any termination on the usbjvs shit btw :p
2017-03-07T17:14:14 < karlp> nah, you almost never need it.
2017-03-07T17:14:22 < karlp> unless you're doing high baud rate long distance.
2017-03-07T17:14:36 < karlp> but the line biasing can really fuck things up
2017-03-07T17:14:37 < zyp> other end might have
2017-03-07T17:15:29 < karlp> like, those 120ohm terminated "tail" cables I got from you are to have them in catalog, we're not expecting most people to bother with them.
2017-03-07T17:15:45 < karlp> and putting them in backwards, like, 2x120ohm at one end, and nothing at the other end still works just fine.
2017-03-07T17:18:00 < dongs> ok will add and probly np that shit
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2017-03-07T17:31:33 < dongs> wurst has some nice altidumb libs
2017-03-07T17:34:20 < dongs> but they dont have what i need
2017-03-07T17:34:21 < dongs> cunts.
2017-03-07T17:34:36 < dongs> http://www.we-online.com/web/en/electronic_components/toolbox_pbs/Altium_Designer.php
2017-03-07T17:34:48 < dongs> oo, some nice transformers ands hit there
2017-03-07T17:34:51 < dongs> all with 3d models
2017-03-07T17:34:58 < dongs> mm and leds
2017-03-07T17:35:20 < dongs> o wow scrolling down that list and by boner is going up
2017-03-07T17:35:34 < dongs> bookmarked for 3d model theft
2017-03-07T17:35:43 < englishman> hmm
2017-03-07T17:36:05 < englishman> how am i supposed to run even a low power lora off of a cell battery
2017-03-07T17:36:12 < englishman> largest cr2477 has max current = 15mA
2017-03-07T17:36:15 < dongs> you can't 
2017-03-07T17:36:16 < dongs> yes
2017-03-07T17:36:21 < dongs> did you read that Ti blog post
2017-03-07T17:36:25 < englishman> link plz
2017-03-07T17:36:41 < englishman> stm32f0 alone is like 4mA
2017-03-07T17:36:49 < englishman> so even in rx mode im over current budget
2017-03-07T17:36:55 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/wp/swra349/swra349.pdf
2017-03-07T17:36:55 < dongs> and
2017-03-07T17:37:01 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/an/swra347a/swra347a.pdf (tho less relevant)
2017-03-07T17:37:17 < dongs> tl;dr: add a cap and yolo it
2017-03-07T17:37:20 < englishman> hm i think i have seen the first
2017-03-07T17:37:20 < englishman> yea
2017-03-07T17:37:26 < englishman> and keep packet time on air low
2017-03-07T17:37:33 < dongs> i probly linked it to you last time i looekd at that shti
2017-03-07T17:37:38 < englishman> which at low buttrates for longrange+lowpower = lol
2017-03-07T17:37:39 < dongs> whcih was back wehn amp!six just started autisming
2017-03-07T17:38:19 < englishman> timecube's current calculator is cool
2017-03-07T17:38:34 < englishman> Battery Life Estimation 17 years, 5 months, 22 days, 7 hours
2017-03-07T17:38:38 < dongs> heh
2017-03-07T17:38:52 < englishman> 10min standby + 50ms @50mA
2017-03-07T17:38:56 < englishman> of course that wont work tho
2017-03-07T17:39:03 < dongs> wat are you innovating
2017-03-07T17:39:08 < englishman> amaze
2017-03-07T17:39:12 < dongs> snort
2017-03-07T17:39:14 < englishman> with large caps wont they leak like fuck
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2017-03-07T17:39:27 < dongs> donno i didnt bother reading THAT much of the appnote
2017-03-07T17:39:29 < englishman> and probably draw more energy than stm32 int he longrun
2017-03-07T17:39:40 < dongs> im still fapping over those wurth libs
2017-03-07T17:39:47 < englishman> also: this is a positive energy chan none of your negativity plz
2017-03-07T17:40:17 < dongs> ok ill try to control my gay urges
2017-03-07T17:42:36 < dongs> and direct them all at ReadError instead.
2017-03-07T17:43:02 < ReadError> <3
2017-03-07T17:43:10 < englishman> part death on this board: two ldos, mux, gyro, stm32
2017-03-07T17:43:13 < englishman> so far
2017-03-07T17:43:41 < dongs> why is there a USB power switch and a gyro on it
2017-03-07T17:43:52 < englishman> mux is for cvbs
2017-03-07T17:44:05 < englishman> oh tps2552 is different project
2017-03-07T17:44:11 < dongs> oh okay
2017-03-07T17:44:14 < englishman> r2com is funny
2017-03-07T17:44:21 < englishman> colt hasnt made army m4s in like 7 years
2017-03-07T17:44:29 < englishman> they lost that contract because other companies make better shit
2017-03-07T17:44:44 < englishman> but america yes hamburger
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2017-03-07T17:48:27 < kakimir> I need video editor to quickly cut and encode video for dongs
2017-03-07T17:48:35 < kakimir> recommds
2017-03-07T17:48:48 < dongs> kakimir: handbrake? but you can only set start/end lol
2017-03-07T17:48:51 < dongs> openfuckingsores.
2017-03-07T17:48:59 < kakimir> sounds awful
2017-03-07T17:50:10 < kakimir> i used virtualdub in year rock and stick
2017-03-07T17:50:24 < kakimir> avidemux any better today?
2017-03-07T17:50:37 < dongs> haha... i think i used that last in like 1996
2017-03-07T17:51:10 < kakimir> virtualdub?
2017-03-07T17:51:26 < dongs> i dont think that works with anything but AVI
2017-03-07T17:51:34 < kakimir> windows movie maker I need to install
2017-03-07T17:52:05 < englishman> kakimir: machete if you dont want to reencode
2017-03-07T17:52:12 < kakimir> I want to
2017-03-07T17:52:16 < kakimir> camera bloats
2017-03-07T17:52:17 < dongs> then handbrake after
2017-03-07T17:52:29 < kakimir> okay
2017-03-07T17:52:31 < karlp> pitivi?
2017-03-07T17:52:33 < kakimir> handbrake then
2017-03-07T17:52:44 < dongs> New features include:
2017-03-07T17:52:44 < dongs> Support for Windows 10
2017-03-07T17:52:44 < dongs> Support for High DPI scaling
2017-03-07T17:52:46 < dongs> i like this already
2017-03-07T17:52:57 < dongs> is this thing just a front end for ffmpeg
2017-03-07T18:00:28 < Steffanx> Open sores..?
2017-03-07T18:01:37 < kakimir> webm muxer the best for cloud?
2017-03-07T18:01:46 < Laurenceb> use command line ffmpeg
2017-03-07T18:01:47 < kakimir> there is mp4
2017-03-07T18:01:55 < Laurenceb> its what I use for rockoon gif
2017-03-07T18:03:26 < kakimir> can I put x265 inside webm?
2017-03-07T18:03:44 < kakimir> okay i use mp4
2017-03-07T18:04:09 < kakimir> okay i use mkv
2017-03-07T18:04:22 < Steffanx> Use gifv
2017-03-07T18:04:27 < Steffanx> No audio.
2017-03-07T18:04:37 < dongs> kakimir: upload to jewtube , wtf
2017-03-07T18:05:20 < dongs> haha some JEW liked my tweet
2017-03-07T18:05:42 < dongs> Yeshua lives  🇮🇱 @RayKalsitrant
2017-03-07T18:05:42 < dongs> Retweeting Breaking news regarding Geopolitics, Middle-East, ISIS, Terrorism, End-Times. Proud Zionist Yeshua Follower from The Netherlands
2017-03-07T18:06:00 < dongs> wait is that steffanx
2017-03-07T18:07:12 < kakimir> eta 10minutes dongs 
2017-03-07T18:07:35 < kakimir> for download
2017-03-07T18:08:13 < ReadError> englishman: https://soundcloud.com/krewella/troll-mix-vol-16-winter-remedy-mix-1
2017-03-07T18:08:16 < ReadError> time for tunes
2017-03-07T18:08:17 < ReadError> w/e
2017-03-07T18:12:57 < kakimir> vlc didn't play it well but windows movies app did
2017-03-07T18:13:06 < kakimir> so uploading
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2017-03-07T18:14:21 < kakimir> I think the bike would be better with a small counterrotating gyroscope in the front fork
2017-03-07T18:15:02 < kakimir> it would tilt the bike when turning the bar
2017-03-07T18:15:21 < kakimir> or should it be just one direction rotating.. maybe
2017-03-07T18:17:03 < kakimir> dongs: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKX1JnUFc5NExWZHM/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-07T18:17:19 < branjb> BREAKING NEWS:  CIA spies/hacks people
2017-03-07T18:17:22 < branjb> thx wikileaks
2017-03-07T18:18:17 < kakimir> breaking news year 2009?
2017-03-07T18:18:40 < kakimir> dongs: did the video play gracefully?
2017-03-07T18:20:32 < dongs> kakimir: oh, trying.
2017-03-07T18:20:48 < kakimir> video format is so fucked google could not process it
2017-03-07T18:20:58 < dongs> kakimir: haha.
2017-03-07T18:20:58 < dongs> nice
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2017-03-07T18:23:44 < kakimir> you saw the video?
2017-03-07T18:23:48 < dongs> yes
2017-03-07T18:25:06 < kakimir> that is some 35% climb you can't tell from the video 
2017-03-07T18:25:35 < kakimir> just too much and too bumpy to switch to 2nd gear
2017-03-07T18:26:58 < kakimir> snow is too hard too there is areas where sun has not melted the snow with good powder gives controability to go to 2nd gear
2017-03-07T18:27:53 < kakimir> 2nd gear is flat throttle because 2stroke
2017-03-07T18:32:23 < kakimir> I had hard time not to ride over the camera you can tell I try to use bar to tilt the bike but there is no gyro force involved like in wheeled bike so it wont do anything
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2017-03-07T18:51:19 < Steffanx> Lol dongs.
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2017-03-07T18:53:02 < dongs> Steffanx: busted
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2017-03-07T18:56:31 < ReadError> https://videos.posttv.com/washpost-production/The_Washington_Post/20170307/58becdbee4b059a9e4238412/58becdd1e4b065061af12c11_1455589917779-yrd15k_t_1488899679193_640_360_400.gif
2017-03-07T18:56:33 < Steffanx> Im t.com/steffan 
2017-03-07T18:56:36 < ReadError> come here imma rape you
2017-03-07T18:56:43 < Steffanx> First steffan on twatter
2017-03-07T18:56:57 < englishman> opensource software is a CIA creation
2017-03-07T18:58:09 < ReadError> click my trollmix uerl 
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2017-03-07T18:58:29 < englishman> i was incapable after seeing krewella in url
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2017-03-07T18:58:48 < ReadError> nah nah 
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2017-03-07T18:58:52 < ReadError> its like 1 song at the start
2017-03-07T18:58:55 < ReadError> rest isnt
2017-03-07T18:59:06 < dongs> Steffanx: srsly?
2017-03-07T18:59:09 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-03-07T18:59:19 < dongs> how many offers didd you haef to sell that account
2017-03-07T18:59:19 < englishman> told you he was an oldfag
2017-03-07T18:59:21 < dongs> for $$$
2017-03-07T18:59:24 < englishman> how are the grandkids steffan
2017-03-07T18:59:33 < Steffanx> Im an early bird. 2007 or something
2017-03-07T19:00:03 < Steffanx> Back in the old time when you could receive twats by sms
2017-03-07T19:00:13 < Steffanx> And send by sms
2017-03-07T19:00:14 < dongs> i think youstill can
2017-03-07T19:00:23 < Steffanx> But it was free once.
2017-03-07T19:01:26 < Steffanx> Do you really want me to proof it englishman? 
2017-03-07T19:01:37 < Steffanx> Grep jpa logs
2017-03-07T19:02:06 < dongs> oh do tehy charge for twatting by SMS now?
2017-03-07T19:02:14 < dongs> i think i actualyl set that up once in alaska
2017-03-07T19:02:26 < dongs> i have an older twatter account if I can remember wat it is..
2017-03-07T19:02:47 < Steffanx> Not sure about sending, but back in the time you could receive them for free by sms
2017-03-07T19:03:15 < Steffanx> Back in the time i didnt have internet on my dumb phone
2017-03-07T19:03:58 < dongs> https://twitter.com/wallhack1818 oh, not even half as ancient as steffans
2017-03-07T19:06:33 < Steffanx> Im going to send you my waffle stack with a selfie englishman 
2017-03-07T19:07:26 < Steffanx> Im only worried about your counties customs, not sure if they want me to export it to your countrh
2017-03-07T19:07:48 < Steffanx> Country's*(??)
2017-03-07T19:08:12 < englishman> <3
2017-03-07T19:08:17 < englishman> yeah its all good
2017-03-07T19:08:21 < englishman> we haev ceta now
2017-03-07T19:08:25 < englishman> send waffles pl0x
2017-03-07T19:09:21 < Steffanx> I actually looked into it. F-ing 24euro shipping costs
2017-03-07T19:09:28 < englishman> irc.cia.gov
2017-03-07T19:09:41 < englishman> how many kilos of waffles is that
2017-03-07T19:10:18 < Steffanx> 1.5KG i think.
2017-03-07T19:11:26 < Steffanx> No more. Twice that.
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2017-03-07T19:13:18 < englishman> that seems like a lot
2017-03-07T19:13:59 < Steffanx> Nah. You can easily eat 160g/day :P
2017-03-07T19:15:11 < englishman> let me check my dhl rates
2017-03-07T19:15:29 < englishman> Netherlands, The
2017-03-07T19:15:46 < englishman> 44.24 beaverbux
2017-03-07T19:15:54 < dongs> lo9l dhl
2017-03-07T19:15:56 < englishman> 31 eur for next-day service
2017-03-07T19:15:58 < dongs> in japan, DHL starts at $120
2017-03-07T19:16:03 < englishman> get an account
2017-03-07T19:16:04 < dongs> for them to answer your phone call
2017-03-07T19:16:20 < englishman> they gave me 65% discount just cuz im a good goy
2017-03-07T19:16:39 < englishman> and i have the warehouse manager's personal cell
2017-03-07T19:16:42 < englishman> for their constant fuckups
2017-03-07T19:16:57 < englishman> oh youre zone N8
2017-03-07T19:17:06 < englishman> which is not bad
2017-03-07T19:17:11 < dongs> Negro8
2017-03-07T19:17:16 < englishman> i could overnight dhl you 1.5kg of waffles for $48 beaverbux
2017-03-07T19:18:31 < englishman> so what can i use for 433mhz txmit from a cell battery
2017-03-07T19:19:07 < englishman> sx1272 is 18mA which is not *too* bad
2017-03-07T19:19:21 < englishman> at 7dBm which is quite high
2017-03-07T19:19:31 < englishman> hmm
2017-03-07T19:20:07 < englishman> sx1278 chink modules are available
2017-03-07T19:20:09 < englishman> il try that
2017-03-07T19:20:14 < Steffanx> But i dont need waffles.
2017-03-07T19:22:58 < branjb> englishman i've had good results with the sx1272
2017-03-07T19:23:06 < englishman> cool
2017-03-07T19:23:22 < branjb> did about 2 miles @ the lowest bandwidth setting
2017-03-07T19:23:48 < Laurenceb> using LoRa?
2017-03-07T19:23:50 < branjb> yea
2017-03-07T19:23:55 < Laurenceb> eww
2017-03-07T19:24:04 < Laurenceb> good luck with that in congested area
2017-03-07T19:24:12 < branjb> yea
2017-03-07T19:24:56 < branjb> idk how it works but my rx noise floor was @ like -110 and the rssi on my packets at 2 miles was -140
2017-03-07T19:26:08 < englishman> so sx1278 would use 1.5uA for idle+RC osc and stm32f0 3.4uA in standby with wakeup
2017-03-07T19:26:09 < englishman> neat
2017-03-07T19:26:50 < englishman> or 4.5uA for sx1278 off and stm32f0 with the iwdg off 40khz lsi
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2017-03-07T19:31:41 < dongs> i could have sworn one of new altidumb selling points was merging regions
2017-03-07T19:31:47 < dongs> but i cant find any obvious menu for it
2017-03-07T19:32:25 < dongs> man their search is awful
2017-03-07T19:33:13 < branjb> how much is an altium license
2017-03-07T19:33:17 < branjb> i got one for free
2017-03-07T19:33:22 < branjb> is that a good deal?
2017-03-07T19:33:30 < englishman> hmm rtc w/ calender more useful than iwdg, uses same power
2017-03-07T19:34:00 < Steffanx> warezed branjb?
2017-03-07T19:34:04 < branjb> nah
2017-03-07T19:34:15 < branjb> sponsored senior design project
2017-03-07T19:34:21 < branjb> they wanted me to use altium instead of kicad
2017-03-07T19:34:21 < branjb> lol
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2017-03-07T19:38:58 < englishman> https://i.redd.it/1ucguqnf20ky.jpg
2017-03-07T19:39:08 < englishman> sounds like a pro university
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2017-03-07T19:47:12 < englishman> my favourite shawarma place when i was in university got molotov'd
2017-03-07T19:47:14 < englishman> today is a sad day
2017-03-07T19:49:04 < Laurenceb> idk how it works
2017-03-07T19:49:09 < Laurenceb> its bullshit
2017-03-07T19:49:12 < Laurenceb> thats how it works
2017-03-07T19:49:32 < Laurenceb> you can get same performance using 2FSK with FEC and AFC
2017-03-07T19:49:35 < englishman> here you go laurent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoquBA7IMNc
2017-03-07T19:49:49 < Laurenceb> yeah seen that
2017-03-07T19:49:54 < Laurenceb> helps explain why its shit
2017-03-07T19:49:54 < englishman> yeah but its plug n play
2017-03-07T19:49:58 < englishman> and fec is expensive
2017-03-07T19:51:37 < englishman> also the advertised sensitivities are pretty insane
2017-03-07T19:51:47 < englishman> vs similar priced rfics with 2fsk
2017-03-07T19:51:53 < Laurenceb> you can get slightly better with 2psk
2017-03-07T19:52:21 < englishman> you mentioned that a year ago
2017-03-07T19:52:27 < englishman> where are the 2$ rfics with 2psk
2017-03-07T19:52:36 < Laurenceb> micrel iirc
2017-03-07T19:52:45 < englishman> so, microchip?
2017-03-07T19:52:50 < englishman> which is flogging lorashit?
2017-03-07T19:52:55 < Laurenceb> WUT
2017-03-07T19:53:08 < ReadError> st noww
2017-03-07T19:58:11 < Laurenceb> nah ON semi
2017-03-07T19:58:13 < Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/ax5243-1-ta05/rf-transceiver-27-1050mhz-qfn/dp/2521322?mckv=VIUxKEXp_dc|pcrid|78108377469|&gross_price=true&CATCI=pla-131293129509&CAAGID=14989731549&CMP=KNC-GUK-GEN-SHOPPING-ON_SEMICONDUCTOR&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=CNiev9r7xNICFXUo0wodz7YN1Q&DM_PersistentCookieCreated=true&CAWELAID=120173390001644333
2017-03-07T20:00:09 < englishman> nice tx/rx power usage
2017-03-07T20:00:26 < englishman> and cost
2017-03-07T20:01:21 < englishman> 500nA with wake-up-on-radio mode
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2017-03-07T20:02:30 < Laurenceb> I think someone makes a similar ic with built in spec
2017-03-07T20:03:03 < Laurenceb> taking most optimistic spec there is only 4dB from best performance of LoRa with 6 times the throughput
2017-03-07T20:03:27 < englishman> might require txco
2017-03-07T20:03:37 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-03-07T20:03:56 < Laurenceb> in theory the one thing LoRa is good at is AFC pull in
2017-03-07T20:04:02 < Laurenceb> but thats assuming AWGN
2017-03-07T20:04:24 < Laurenceb> *built in FEC
2017-03-07T20:05:45 < Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/ax5243-1-ta05/rf-transceiver-27-1050mhz-qfn/dp/2521322RL
2017-03-07T20:05:48 < Laurenceb> found it
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2017-03-07T20:06:24 < englishman> thats the same one
2017-03-07T20:06:35 < Laurenceb> arg
2017-03-07T20:06:50 < Laurenceb> I'll blame farnell spec selector
2017-03-07T20:07:54 < englishman> on semi datasheet sucks
2017-03-07T20:07:58 < englishman> could be a pita to develop for
2017-03-07T20:08:00 < Laurenceb> ok so with PSK and FEC is going to be about the same link budget as LoRa but 50bps throughput rather than 18
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2017-03-07T20:08:27 < Laurenceb> and massively improved interference rejection
2017-03-07T20:08:39 < englishman> nvm registers are in the Programming Manual
2017-03-07T20:08:45 < Laurenceb> I think there is a GUI for configuring
2017-03-07T20:08:50 < Laurenceb> GUI in visual basic
2017-03-07T20:09:08 < englishman> looks neat
2017-03-07T20:09:12 < Laurenceb> looks simpler than silabs disaster zone
2017-03-07T20:09:16 < englishman> no devboards
2017-03-07T20:09:40 < Laurenceb> yo dawg we herd you like registers
2017-03-07T20:09:59 < Laurenceb> so we made registers to configure ur registers so you can configure while you configure
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2017-03-07T20:38:49 < emeb> Anyone have a suggestion for a level shifter to go from 3.3V logic to ~12V?
2017-03-07T20:38:57 < emeb> prefer something with pullup & pulldown as opposed to open drain.
2017-03-07T20:40:03 < fenugrec> emeb speed ? half / full duplex ?
2017-03-07T20:40:45 < emeb> unidirectional. Doesn't need to be fast (1 MHz or less OK)
2017-03-07T20:40:59 < c10ud> optocoupler?
2017-03-07T20:41:07 < emeb> isolation not needed
2017-03-07T20:41:19 < emeb> plus, opto usually is OC output.
2017-03-07T20:42:06 < fenugrec> some 4xxx CMOS parts are good up to 10-15V, not sure about thresholds on the inputs though
2017-03-07T20:42:53 < emeb> yeah. thresholds are usually VDD/2 on that old stuff.
2017-03-07T20:43:46 < fenugrec> meh, all the stuff I know is OD / OC output
2017-03-07T20:43:54 < emeb> yeah - same here.
2017-03-07T20:44:02 < fenugrec> you really need PP outputs ?
2017-03-07T20:44:31 < emeb> preferred. can probably live w/o it but would like to keep static current drain low.
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2017-03-07T21:04:49 < Laurenceb> https://cdn5.img.sputniknews.com/images/103689/69/1036896986.jpg
2017-03-07T21:05:01 < Laurenceb>  @Sweden
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2017-03-07T21:28:34 < Laurenceb> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/24/tears-of-joy-emoji-worst-gloat-about-human-suffering
2017-03-07T21:28:44 < Laurenceb> https://i.guim.co.uk/img/uploads/2016/12/13/Abi_Wilkinson_R.png?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=bd9ff35a74be662cd1744dbef0981590
2017-03-07T21:28:57 < Laurenceb> stereotypes confirmed
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2017-03-07T21:34:35 < Steffanx> Try /topic :P
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2017-03-07T21:56:11 < englishman> We need to discuss the political significance of emoji.
2017-03-07T21:56:18 < englishman> its right there in the article Steffanx 
2017-03-07T21:56:28 < englishman> everyone shoould be discussing this
2017-03-07T21:56:43 < Steffanx> i didnt click the links.
2017-03-07T22:01:15 < englishman> AX5243 seems neat, will consider for this proj, thanks laurent
2017-03-07T22:01:36 < englishman> 640Hz internal oscillator, must be lower power as fuck
2017-03-07T22:03:59 < englishman> and fec is buuiltin
2017-03-07T22:04:06 < Laurenceb> yeah its hawt
2017-03-07T22:05:09 < englishman> high quality gpios too
2017-03-07T22:05:19 < englishman> semtech sucks with theirs
2017-03-07T22:05:39 < Laurenceb> Facebook has reported a number of BBC journalists to the police after they “provided” them with evidence of child abuse image that appeared on the social network. It is obviously illegal to distribute child abuse images
2017-03-07T22:05:46 < Laurenceb> dramaz intensify
2017-03-07T22:11:24 < englishman> Whenever the WAKEUPTIMER register matches the
2017-03-07T22:11:24 < englishman> WAKEUP register, an event is signalled, and the
2017-03-07T22:11:24 < englishman> WAKEUPFREQ register is added to the WAKEUP register,
2017-03-07T22:11:24 < englishman> to prepare for the next wakeup event.
2017-03-07T22:11:26 < englishman> wat
2017-03-07T22:12:04 < Laurenceb> silabs tier autism
2017-03-07T22:12:11 < kakimir> suckerberg flames bbc Laurenceb ?
2017-03-07T22:12:22 < Laurenceb> kakimir: yeah, irl soap opera
2017-03-07T22:12:50 < englishman> what does that even mean
2017-03-07T22:13:07 < englishman> wakeuptimer increments with 640Hz osc
2017-03-07T22:13:14 < englishman> wakeup is the wakeup time
2017-03-07T22:13:18 < englishman> what is wakeupfreqfor
2017-03-07T22:13:34 < englishman> even at 640Hz and 16bit registers that is only 102 seconds between wakeup, very short
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2017-03-07T22:15:04 < englishman> oh i see this is for when wakeuptimer + wakeup arent reset it just rolls over
2017-03-07T22:15:18 < englishman> 102 seconds is way too short tho
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2017-03-07T22:30:05 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2oeTAWBPKQ attn englishman 
2017-03-07T22:30:14 < englishman> nice
2017-03-07T22:30:22 < Fleck> yeah: https://www.humblebundle.com/books/make-arduino-and-raspberry-pi
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2017-03-07T22:43:06 < Steffanx> troll Fleck.
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2017-03-07T23:05:51 < englishman> nice, digikey lowered their free shipping threshold
2017-03-07T23:05:54 < englishman> to $100 beaverbux
2017-03-07T23:06:03 < englishman> <3 u too digikey
2017-03-07T23:09:56 < ReadError> did u guys know that OSHPARK includes candy with orders now
2017-03-07T23:10:03 < ReadError> instead of stickers
2017-03-07T23:10:45 < PeterM> englishman http://www.digikey.com/-/media/Images/Homepage/large%20free%20ship%20banners/free-shipping_banner_en_200.jpg?la=en-AU&ts=a58a3d4a-1cf0-4083-a4b1-1b1099c5e827
2017-03-07T23:11:02 < PeterM> free shipping on orders over $60 dollarydoos
2017-03-07T23:11:16 < Thorn> http://www.digikey.com/-/media/Images/Homepage/large%20shipping%20banners/set-rate_banner_en_RU.jpg
2017-03-07T23:11:38 < PeterM> ReadError thats not candy thats hiv medication
2017-03-07T23:12:03 < ReadError> PeterM: that stuff can get you high
2017-03-07T23:12:07 < ReadError> seen a docu about it
2017-03-07T23:13:59 < Steffanx> Yes i did know that ReadError.
2017-03-07T23:18:13 < englishman> thats pretty funny PeterM 
2017-03-07T23:18:55 < englishman> i wonder why so racist
2017-03-07T23:19:50 < englishman> i dont think they do free domestic shipping either
2017-03-07T23:22:10 < zyp> englishman, heh, lowered
2017-03-07T23:22:30 < zyp> for me it's been 525 NOK for as long as I can remember
2017-03-07T23:22:57 < zyp> which are like $83 CAD at current rate
2017-03-07T23:24:06 < englishman> :(
2017-03-07T23:24:14 < englishman> its been $200 as long as i can remember
2017-03-07T23:31:25 < fenugrec> yea at least since 2004
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2017-03-07T23:53:21 < KreAture> The frequency dithering seems to work
2017-03-07T23:53:23 < KreAture> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgSBEnhSYxs
2017-03-07T23:53:25 < KreAture> :)
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2017-03-08T01:01:40 < Steffanx> Cool KreAture 
2017-03-08T01:02:14 < Steffanx> You must get some nice money out of youtube, some of your vids have quite some views 
2017-03-08T01:03:29 < aandrew> KreAture: interesting
2017-03-08T01:03:46 < aandrew> KreAture: do most ultrasonic transducers work over a bit of a range?
2017-03-08T01:03:58 < aandrew> thinking of getting a cleaner but doing it cheap and then modding it to do frequency sweep
2017-03-08T01:05:15 < KreAture> Steffanx I refuse to enable the monetizing shit
2017-03-08T01:05:20 < KreAture> just annoys ppl with ads
2017-03-08T01:05:28 < Steffanx> Awh :)
2017-03-08T01:05:34 < KreAture> aandrew they are very very narrow
2017-03-08T01:05:47 < KreAture> aandrew to get very good resonance on this one I need to be within a few hz
2017-03-08T01:05:59 < aandrew> a few *Hz*? wow
2017-03-08T01:06:07 < aandrew> I was hoping for a kHz band
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2017-03-08T01:07:12 < aandrew> maybe the solution is to have two or three drivers at different frequencies and pwm them at different rates 
2017-03-08T01:08:10 < KreAture> The Q on the transducer is 800
2017-03-08T01:08:14 < KreAture> approx
2017-03-08T01:09:39 < jadew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RF-shielding-silver-fiber-fabric-for-underwear/32311946104.html
2017-03-08T01:10:48 < Steffanx> Lolwut?
2017-03-08T01:11:47 < jadew> it protects your balls from government control
2017-03-08T01:12:59 < jadew> there's quite a range of RF shielding fabric
2017-03-08T01:13:13 < jadew> they should sell a couple of square meters of that with every wireless keyboard
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2017-03-08T01:20:05 < aandrew> KreAture: Q is one of those parameters I have trouble applying. I know the higher the Q the peakier the component, but I have trouble figuring out "Q=800 is only good for a dozen Hz" or "Q=10 is useful across hundreds of kHz"
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2017-03-08T01:20:59 < KreAture> There is a formula for the 3db (half amplitude/load point)
2017-03-08T01:21:04 < KreAture> vs the q
2017-03-08T01:21:06 < aandrew> jadew: lol, tinfoil hat for your balls
2017-03-08T01:21:32 < KreAture> bw = f0/q
2017-03-08T01:22:03 < KreAture> so basically with resonance at 40kHz and q = 800 the bandwidth is 40k/800 = 50
2017-03-08T01:22:21 < aandrew> right
2017-03-08T01:22:33 < aandrew> thanks, that actually helps a lot
2017-03-08T01:22:37 < KreAture> That fits well with my tests where I initially had a timer running of 72 MHz and it counted up and down
2017-03-08T01:24:01 < KreAture> so that ment that I could only generate 40khz at 72M/(2x40000) = 900 ticks, or 39955.60 Hz at 901 ticks
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2017-03-08T01:24:20 < KreAture> steps of 44-ish around the right frq
2017-03-08T01:24:24 < KreAture> That was too corse
2017-03-08T01:24:27 < KreAture> coarse
2017-03-08T01:24:38 < KreAture> so I implemented frequency dithering and it works
2017-03-08T01:25:14 < KreAture> during 64 cycles I switch between the two nearest steps of pwm frq I can generate, at a ratio chosen to hit an average of what I am targeting
2017-03-08T01:25:43 < KreAture> so to shift it 1/64 closer to the higher frq than the lower, I'd use 1 period of high, rest low
2017-03-08T01:26:01 < KreAture> That effectively increases my frequency resolution without sacrificing anything
2017-03-08T01:26:20 < KreAture> the Q of the system evens out the shifting
2017-03-08T01:26:39 < KreAture> For that to work my shifts have to be small, and happen in phase with the signal to avoid large phase shifts
2017-03-08T01:26:58 < KreAture> Thus, the same timer runs at both frequencys and I change frequency during the half period
2017-03-08T01:27:05 < KreAture> fiddly but works
2017-03-08T01:27:18 < KreAture> and the entire shifting is done by burst access dma to the timer registers
2017-03-08T01:27:28 < KreAture> so no overhead 
2017-03-08T01:30:16 < aandrew> nice
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2017-03-08T01:31:37 < KreAture> I am sampling the current waveform after synching the trigger to the output pulse
2017-03-08T01:32:16 < KreAture> using dma to transfer data in a full buffer
2017-03-08T01:32:29 < KreAture> and it uses a timer to trigger the adc to control timing
2017-03-08T01:32:37 < KreAture> samplerate
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2017-03-08T01:38:25 < jadew> I don't understand why there are no shielding cans on aliexpress
2017-03-08T01:38:35 < jadew> there are tons on alibaba, but who needs 5000?
2017-03-08T01:39:00 < jadew> none on ebay either
2017-03-08T01:39:03 < KreAture> lol
2017-03-08T01:39:16 < englishman> contact the aliexpress guy, and ask for a lower quantity of a shelf model
2017-03-08T01:39:28 < englishman> theyll be happy to mark them the fuck up and sell you just 100
2017-03-08T01:39:33 < englishman> errr, the alibaba guy
2017-03-08T01:40:00 < jadew> I'll give it a try
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2017-03-08T02:32:29 < kakimir> englishman: 
2017-03-08T02:32:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKX1JnUFc5NExWZHM/view?usp=sharing 
2017-03-08T02:33:14 < kakimir> vlc failed to play properly but win10 "movies and tv" did maybe mpc-hc too
2017-03-08T02:35:50 < kakimir> produced this evidence for dongz
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2017-03-08T03:03:24 < ReadError> why do ur vids never work
2017-03-08T03:05:34 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/03/07/2124251/wikileaks-cia-files-the-6-biggest-spying-secrets-revealed-by-the-release-of-vault-7
2017-03-08T03:05:40 < Laurenceb_> dongs waz wrong
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2017-03-08T03:08:30 < Laurenceb_> damn doesnt look good for driverless cars
2017-03-08T03:08:40 < ReadError> have you seen teh quality of the documents?
2017-03-08T03:08:50 < ReadError> hint: they are all fucking garbage
2017-03-08T03:15:54 < stm32> so for no reason whatsoever RS send me 2 of these with my order http://au.rs-online.com/web/p/products/4360182/
2017-03-08T03:16:19 < stm32> i don't know what the hell i could use them for but lol.
2017-03-08T03:21:50 < Laurenceb_> better than when I ordered about 1000 RN-42 modules and they sent me modules with no antenna
2017-03-08T03:22:17 < Laurenceb_> or when I ordered a load of Loctite 401 adhesive and got the tube tops with no tubes
2017-03-08T03:22:45 < stm32> lel
2017-03-08T03:22:51 < Laurenceb_> still better than digikey tho, they reliably screw up your orders
2017-03-08T03:23:03 < stm32> hmm never had a digikey screwup
2017-03-08T03:23:15 < Laurenceb_> maybe I just order weird shit
2017-03-08T03:23:23 < stm32> RS did supply me a 'bad' thermaltronics tip which blew up my station
2017-03-08T03:23:39 < stm32> that's what thermaltronics blame it on
2017-03-08T03:24:04 < stm32> so maybe they want to make amends with some strange limit switches
2017-03-08T03:25:43 < stm32> if i ever get another vacuum desoldering station i'll get a fuckin hakko
2017-03-08T03:26:20 < kakimir> is something attacking CIA Laurenceb_ ?
2017-03-08T03:26:37 < stm32> my dick
2017-03-08T03:26:57 < stm32> its rubbing the pinhole camera they're spying on me with
2017-03-08T03:27:24 < stm32> guess /g/ was right
2017-03-08T03:27:31 < stm32> we're all in the botnet now
2017-03-08T03:27:38 < kakimir> fuck pinhole cameras
2017-03-08T03:27:40 < kakimir> literally
2017-03-08T03:27:51 < stm32> fuck everything
2017-03-08T03:27:52 < stm32> literally
2017-03-08T03:28:04 < kakimir> with your pinsize dik
2017-03-08T03:28:16 < stm32> yeah its so small
2017-03-08T03:28:21 < kakimir> perfect fit
2017-03-08T03:28:26 < kakimir> thanks CIA
2017-03-08T03:28:28 < stm32> yeah!
2017-03-08T03:29:11 < Laurenceb_> like literally I can't even right now
2017-03-08T03:29:33 < Laurenceb_> tomorrow I have to work with an 18 year old girl :(
2017-03-08T03:29:43 < Laurenceb_> it's going to be like that all day ^
2017-03-08T03:29:49 < kakimir> why?
2017-03-08T03:30:06 < Laurenceb_> cuz snapfacebook and iphone
2017-03-08T03:30:20 < stm32> every discussion on embedded electronics is only complete once everyone has their dick out
2017-03-08T03:30:24 < kakimir> she is some social media person Laurenceb_ ?
2017-03-08T03:30:53 < stm32> apparently the godfather of li-ion invented some glass battery
2017-03-08T03:30:59 < stm32> bullshit news or?
2017-03-08T03:31:10 < kakimir> sony?
2017-03-08T03:31:22 < stm32> nah some 94 year old man from texas
2017-03-08T03:31:28 < stm32> see where this is going
2017-03-08T03:31:39 < kakimir> was it sony that made li-ion the battery?
2017-03-08T03:31:47 < stm32> i dunno man
2017-03-08T03:31:50 < kakimir> or panasonic
2017-03-08T03:31:56 < kakimir> some jap company
2017-03-08T03:32:06 < stm32> thought the japanese were more interested in anime than batteries
2017-03-08T03:32:29 < stm32> i've been wrong once or twice
2017-03-08T03:32:30 < dongs> hello autistic fucks
2017-03-08T03:32:34 < dongs> < stm32> every discussion on embedded electronics is only complete once everyone has their dick out
2017-03-08T03:32:34 < stm32> hi dongles
2017-03-08T03:32:37 < dongs> this is true
2017-03-08T03:32:43 < dongs> laying mine out right now
2017-03-08T03:33:14 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: she is a perman00b who helps us run trials of this
2017-03-08T03:33:22 < kakimir> flame her
2017-03-08T03:33:38 < kakimir> troll her
2017-03-08T03:33:39 < stm32> its not a trial if we already know the outcome
2017-03-08T03:33:50 < kakimir> make her cry
2017-03-08T03:34:05 < dongs> wtf the only people replying my twat about wikidicks are al jews
2017-03-08T03:34:08 < stm32> force her to browse the chans
2017-03-08T03:34:21 < upgrdman> good job CIA   https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_17760284.html
2017-03-08T03:34:42 < dongs> lul
2017-03-08T03:34:44 < dongs> saved
2017-03-08T03:35:35 < stm32> wow the cia are finally doing useful things
2017-03-08T03:36:05 < upgrdman> they also use Sublime Text   https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_9535650.html
2017-03-08T03:36:34 < dongs> haha
2017-03-08T03:36:38 < dongs> one of the faces says 'nigger"
2017-03-08T03:36:40 < dongs> in jap
2017-03-08T03:37:01 < stm32> no wonder you fitted in so well there
2017-03-08T03:37:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tx2MtDP.png
2017-03-08T03:37:20 < stm32> lol
2017-03-08T03:37:27 < upgrdman> (•‿•)
2017-03-08T03:37:28 < stm32> ni gaa
2017-03-08T03:37:30 < stm32> i think
2017-03-08T03:37:33 < dongs> ya
2017-03-08T03:37:49 < stm32> high school was fun
2017-03-08T03:40:25 < kakimir> what is that plastic thing called you can install on board instead of dip chip
2017-03-08T03:40:31 < kakimir> then plug dip chip in it
2017-03-08T03:40:39 < upgrdman> dip sockets
2017-03-08T03:40:46 < upgrdman> for that uber-faggot vibe
2017-03-08T03:40:47 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNWOC_Pvo4w
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2017-03-08T03:40:54 < kakimir> musics..
2017-03-08T03:41:02 < kakimir> socket was the word
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2017-03-08T03:41:59 < stm32> good work
2017-03-08T03:43:27 < kakimir> nylon it must be to be good?
2017-03-08T03:43:53 < stm32> eh?
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2017-03-08T03:52:32 < Rob235> blah
2017-03-08T03:52:32 < Rob235> so tired
2017-03-08T03:52:34 < Rob235> moving almost complete
2017-03-08T03:52:54 < stm32> when did you get incarcerated?
2017-03-08T03:53:20 < Rob235> I did a dime up in chino
2017-03-08T03:53:44 < stm32> i said the n word
2017-03-08T03:54:10 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/8PCS-Lots-Hollow-needles-desoldering-tool-electronic-components-Stainless-steel-/262799726271 what are these for?
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2017-03-08T03:55:13 < upgrdman> kakimir, look like tools for removing pins from connectors
2017-03-08T03:55:16 < stm32> being too cheap to buy pro tools i guess
2017-03-08T03:55:22 < upgrdman> not sure why they say desoldering tho
2017-03-08T03:56:14 < stm32> ancient chinese secret
2017-03-08T03:56:19 < kakimir> chinaman
2017-03-08T03:57:09 < stm32> shit it
2017-03-08T03:58:26 < stm32> just dip it in shit
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2017-03-08T04:05:11 < kakimir> I need to build a test circuit for opamps
2017-03-08T04:05:28 < kakimir> to see if operating okay
2017-03-08T04:08:24 < kakimir> I wonder what would be the best implementation for small quantity testing..
2017-03-08T04:08:41 < kakimir> like a few dozen
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2017-03-08T04:23:08 < kakimir> china money - refund money
2017-03-08T04:23:27 < kakimir> soon moneys then more shit
2017-03-08T04:23:55 < kakimir> why can't they just sell a good cable
2017-03-08T04:24:03 < kakimir> it doesn't take that much
2017-03-08T04:24:27 < kakimir> why replicate bad design..
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2017-03-08T05:06:11 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/ekp7oEX.jpg
2017-03-08T05:06:27 < englishman> the new gillette
2017-03-08T05:06:39 < dongs> the fuck am i looking at
2017-03-08T05:06:52 < englishman> part of the front wing of new formula1 car
2017-03-08T05:07:02 < englishman> actually no, rear wing
2017-03-08T05:07:19 < dongs> is that so when you hit the wall, all those sharp edges tear you to pieces
2017-03-08T05:07:44 < englishman> and get permanently lodged in a spectator
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2017-03-08T06:10:52 < upgrdman> jesus fuck. my dad wanted me to help him list something for sale on ebay. he took photos with his digial camera. THEN he took the SD card to walmart, had them print out photos, then mailed me the paper photos.
2017-03-08T06:11:16 < upgrdman> i hope when i get old i wont be out of sync like that
2017-03-08T06:14:10 < jadew> haha
2017-03-08T06:14:37 < jadew> has anyone used allpcb?
2017-03-08T06:14:46 < jadew> what's faster SF express or HK post?
2017-03-08T06:15:04 < dongs> sf express doesn't ship to fucking romania
2017-03-08T06:15:09 < dongs> so that's the aanswer to your question
2017-03-08T06:15:19 < jadew> ah
2017-03-08T06:22:34 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/io22H
2017-03-08T06:23:31 < jadew> ok, allpcb is stupid
2017-03-08T06:23:53 < jadew> it's giving me quotes for shit they can't even do
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2017-03-08T06:34:52 < dongs> ???
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2017-03-08T06:51:30 < englishman> jadew: explain
2017-03-08T06:51:34 < englishman> i have some shit fabbing there now
2017-03-08T06:51:37 < englishman> they seem slow
2017-03-08T06:51:41 < englishman> thats my review so far
2017-03-08T06:52:30 < englishman> shit i ordered on the 28th
2017-03-08T06:53:17 < englishman> do you want some noob shit like tag-connect
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2017-03-08T06:54:10 < englishman> you can turn these into a cool brogrammer https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/avx-corporation/009188006020062/478-5491-1-ND/2024954
2017-03-08T06:54:36 < englishman> get pogopins and solder them. works
2017-03-08T06:54:52 < englishman> surely $CY has some on a shelf somewhere
2017-03-08T06:54:54 < dongs> whats the pitch on that avx shit
2017-03-08T06:54:58 < englishman> 1mm
2017-03-08T06:55:37 < englishman> thats an alternative
2017-03-08T06:55:41 < englishman> yeah
2017-03-08T06:55:45 < englishman> so you make a pcb
2017-03-08T06:55:47 < englishman> solder that to it
2017-03-08T06:55:51 < englishman> and solder your wires to it
2017-03-08T06:55:58 < englishman> or fpc connector
2017-03-08T06:56:14 < englishman> yes
2017-03-08T06:56:16 < englishman> pogopins
2017-03-08T06:56:17 < englishman> or what i linked
2017-03-08T06:56:25 < englishman> or fag-connect
2017-03-08T06:56:30 < upgrdman> R2COM, you looking for some shit like this?  http://farrellf.com/temp/pogo_pin_programmer.jpg
2017-03-08T06:56:35 < englishman> listen young one
2017-03-08T06:56:43 < englishman> you make a separate pcb
2017-03-08T06:56:45 < englishman> for your brogrammer
2017-03-08T06:56:58 < englishman> that contains pins on springs
2017-03-08T06:57:16 < englishman> sure replace those with pogopins
2017-03-08T06:57:20 < englishman> you need shit to make good contact
2017-03-08T06:57:34 < englishman> regular pin headers you have to keep pressure on them to fucking work
2017-03-08T06:59:34 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ry8OOuACDA you can then level up one step further
2017-03-08T06:59:44 < dongs> and 3d print/laser cut a jig for bed of pins
2017-03-08T06:59:59 < dongs> yes
2017-03-08T07:00:00 < dongs> except
2017-03-08T07:00:02 < dongs> for that price in china
2017-03-08T07:00:03 < dongs> i get 200
2017-03-08T07:00:05 < dongs> lol aidsfruit
2017-03-08T07:00:50 < dongs> the ones you want are called P75-LM2
2017-03-08T07:02:00 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-08T07:02:07 < dongs> right
2017-03-08T07:02:15 < dongs> < dongs> for that price in china
2017-03-08T07:02:15 < dongs> < dongs> i get 200
2017-03-08T07:02:37 < dongs> so thats pretty close to china price
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2017-03-08T07:05:47 < dongs> dude my typical bed of nails uses like 20-50 of these
2017-03-08T07:05:56 < dongs> so yeah...?
2017-03-08T07:06:01 < dongs> i mean if you are making one fucking connector jsut buy and shut up
2017-03-08T07:06:06 < dongs> and use them later in other shit'
2017-03-08T07:06:47 < dongs> sometimes i add several gnd points per board
2017-03-08T07:06:51 < dongs> if im doing them in array
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2017-03-08T07:08:34 < dongs> https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/aviation/2017/03/06/ntsb-1-dead-in-overnight-plane-crash-near-nome/
2017-03-08T07:08:45 < ReadError> wow kpop is so fuckin odd
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2017-03-08T07:10:29 < englishman> rip dongs mom
2017-03-08T07:10:50 < dongs> he was doing a 870km flight apaprently
2017-03-08T07:10:53 < dongs> from central alaska to nome
2017-03-08T07:10:56 < dongs> in that piece of shit plane
2017-03-08T07:10:56 < englishman> He texted his fiancee at 9:11 p.m
2017-03-08T07:11:01 < englishman> definitely dongs relation
2017-03-08T07:11:01 < dongs> also that
2017-03-08T07:11:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JZQZYjz.jpg what do yuo mean why he die
2017-03-08T07:11:23 < dongs> the fucking plane nosedived
2017-03-08T07:11:53 < dongs> shit's deader than BSD
2017-03-08T07:12:20 < dongs> hmm cessna 172 range is 736 miles / > 1k km
2017-03-08T07:12:22 < dongs> thats moer than I thought
2017-03-08T07:12:28 < englishman> the average survival time of vfr into imc is 178 seconds
2017-03-08T07:12:53 < englishman> dongs depends on the model and other shit but yea its a bigger plane
2017-03-08T07:13:15 < ohsix> do you have a plane?
2017-03-08T07:13:31 < ohsix> most people i've met this year do, huhuhu; i need to get one
2017-03-08T07:13:45 < englishman> 42 gallons, 7gph, 120 knots
2017-03-08T07:14:32 < englishman> he flew into bad weather
2017-03-08T07:14:34 < ohsix> biz pal brother died in a plane crash the other day too
2017-03-08T07:14:35 < englishman> its in the article
2017-03-08T07:14:42 < ohsix> nowhere near alaska tho
2017-03-08T07:14:45 < englishman> you fly into cloud while flying vfr, you die
2017-03-08T07:14:47 < englishman> thats it
2017-03-08T07:15:02 < dongs> dont you fly flight sims
2017-03-08T07:15:03 < dongs> you faggot
2017-03-08T07:15:05 < dongs> how can you not know
2017-03-08T07:15:51 < dongs> its when you can see where youre going
2017-03-08T07:16:01 < englishman> englishman> the average survival time of vfr into imc is 178 seconds
2017-03-08T07:16:04 < englishman> thats average
2017-03-08T07:16:10 < englishman> meaning you die sooner
2017-03-08T07:16:15 < dongs> what happens after?
2017-03-08T07:16:16 < englishman> less than 3 minutes to death
2017-03-08T07:16:18 < dongs> you don't know where its up?
2017-03-08T07:16:31 < englishman> not when flying
2017-03-08T07:16:35 < englishman> there are too many forces
2017-03-08T07:16:46 < englishman> you cant trust your feel
2017-03-08T07:17:01 < ohsix> the horizon indicator stops working?
2017-03-08T07:17:22 < englishman> navigation equipment like what
2017-03-08T07:17:23 < englishman> a vor
2017-03-08T07:17:29 < englishman> dme
2017-03-08T07:17:47 < englishman> he was flying vfr so those are useless anyway
2017-03-08T07:17:50 < ohsix> use the full name, i know some shit but not the acronyms
2017-03-08T07:18:17 < dongs> yes
2017-03-08T07:18:21 < dongs> its like near nome
2017-03-08T07:18:26 < dongs> which has a couple airports
2017-03-08T07:18:46 < dongs> donno
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2017-03-08T07:20:00 < dongs> no
2017-03-08T07:20:43 < ohsix> jeeeerks
2017-03-08T07:21:00 < dongs> no i dont think hewas goign for landing just yet
2017-03-08T07:21:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tKHaLLJ.png
2017-03-08T07:21:34 < dongs> he was tehre
2017-03-08T07:21:37 < dongs> and airport is up
2017-03-08T07:21:52 < ohsix> oic englishman was reacting to R2COM, not having an actual conversation
2017-03-08T07:22:09 < englishman> thers no ils in a cessna lol
2017-03-08T07:22:12 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice
2017-03-08T07:22:54 < englishman> probably not, but anyway it would be useless
2017-03-08T07:22:58 < dongs> doesnt sound like was anywhere near airport enough to start landing tho, but englishman is the pro pilot here
2017-03-08T07:23:27 < dongs> that kinda looks like the way you'd takg flying from wasilla to none on a straight line
2017-03-08T07:23:28 < ohsix> englishman: wat type of flying are you certified to do
2017-03-08T07:24:06 < englishman> o6, i dont own a plane, the ahi doesnt stop working necessairly, and im a pro pilot
2017-03-08T07:24:21 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-08T07:24:26 < englishman> with a license n sheit
2017-03-08T07:24:43 < englishman> doesnt look like that to me
2017-03-08T07:24:46 < englishman> plane looks fine
2017-03-08T07:24:49 < dongs> i would probably believe englishman flying advice over shit amp!six googled up
2017-03-08T07:24:49 < englishman> wings are straight
2017-03-08T07:24:52 < englishman> control surfaces are there
2017-03-08T07:25:14 < ohsix> it's only a matter of time before i get a plane, uhuahhuhua
2017-03-08T07:25:17 < englishman> but who knows
2017-03-08T07:25:23 < englishman> til they investigate
2017-03-08T07:25:37 < englishman> theres not even icing
2017-03-08T07:25:48 < ohsix> there's a guy with a kit/experimental plane and he wants to do instrument stuff, i'll be helping him
2017-03-08T07:26:10 < dongs> not after texting at 9/11
2017-03-08T07:26:12 < ohsix> 'how do i connect my arduino to my airplane'
2017-03-08T07:27:23 < dongs> its a single front prop
2017-03-08T07:28:03 < dongs> o6-class google troll lv3
2017-03-08T07:28:12 < dongs> my assessment of pilot capacity
2017-03-08T07:28:22 < ohsix> he's really off his game after all this time
2017-03-08T07:28:44 < upgrdman> R2COM's arma experience means he can pass judgement hehe
2017-03-08T07:29:21 < ohsix> what does kerbal space program get me
2017-03-08T07:29:33 < englishman> vfr into imc
2017-03-08T07:29:35 < englishman> and
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2017-03-08T07:29:44 < englishman> the vast vast vast majority of ga deaths
2017-03-08T07:29:51 < englishman> occur between 50 and 1000 hours flight time
2017-03-08T07:30:03 < englishman> no doubt at 28 years old non commercial pilot he was there
2017-03-08T07:30:10 < englishman> when you get complacent
2017-03-08T07:30:29 < englishman> and your bad habits build up
2017-03-08T07:30:52 < ohsix> i can almost justify a plane if i use it to go up and down the west coast a few times a year
2017-03-08T07:31:01 < englishman> so many problems
2017-03-08T07:31:11 < englishman> if you can 180deg immediately and get the fuck out
2017-03-08T07:31:18 < englishman> youre still in trouble
2017-03-08T07:31:34 < englishman> because now youre 180 deg from your flight path
2017-03-08T07:31:43 < englishman> hopefully theres an alternate nearby
2017-03-08T07:31:57 < englishman> as the poor weather gets closer
2017-03-08T07:32:00 < englishman> and removes your options
2017-03-08T07:32:10 < englishman> well, better itea
2017-03-08T07:32:11 < englishman> idea
2017-03-08T07:32:14 < englishman> dont fly into cloud at all
2017-03-08T07:32:42 < englishman> its even illegal to do!
2017-03-08T07:32:49 < ohsix> so those small planes don't generally have instruments to do !vfr?
2017-03-08T07:33:06 < englishman> thats great
2017-03-08T07:33:10 < englishman> thats called imc
2017-03-08T07:33:12 < ohsix> small plane & night was part of biz pals' brother's crash
2017-03-08T07:33:19 < englishman> and it takes about 10x prep than just flying vfr
2017-03-08T07:33:32 < ohsix> they think he was coming in parallel to the runway
2017-03-08T07:33:36 < englishman> he wasnt doing any of that
2017-03-08T07:33:41 < ohsix> for whatever reason
2017-03-08T07:33:41 < englishman> so not prepared
2017-03-08T07:33:51 < englishman> didnt do his hour of flight prep to fly imc
2017-03-08T07:33:54 < englishman> maybe not even imc rated
2017-03-08T07:34:11 < englishman> who knows what he was thinking
2017-03-08T07:34:14 < englishman> nobody will ever know
2017-03-08T07:34:29 < ohsix> probably about tits
2017-03-08T07:34:34 < englishman> well sure
2017-03-08T07:34:49 < englishman> with 10k hours min
2017-03-08T07:35:04 < englishman> to get a passenger seat next to the captain
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2017-03-08T07:35:10 < englishman> in a Q400
2017-03-08T07:35:31 < englishman> and there's still those hours of flight prep
2017-03-08T07:35:33 < englishman> before every flight
2017-03-08T07:36:00 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0-dP8dji9Y
2017-03-08T07:36:30 < ohsix> only guy on the planet that remembers that album, and i'm right here
2017-03-08T07:38:38 < englishman> sure, and two pro pilots with thousands of hours of experience each
2017-03-08T07:38:43 < englishman> and somehow they still crash
2017-03-08T07:38:58 < englishman> sure
2017-03-08T07:39:02 < englishman> like GA
2017-03-08T07:40:41 < dongs> englishman: btw that imgur pic was hours after the crash. i think they didnt find him until next day or so, I got email about the shit few daysd ago and that pic was from today afternoon
2017-03-08T07:41:03 < dongs> hours->days more like
2017-03-08T07:41:13 < englishman> yea
2017-03-08T07:41:45 < englishman> fucked up
2017-03-08T07:42:04 < dongs> between the motor and front seat i'd guess
2017-03-08T07:42:48 < dongs> yeah, that happeend couple days ago
2017-03-08T07:42:54 < dongs> he was already dead obviously
2017-03-08T07:43:00 < dongs> they did.
2017-03-08T07:44:20 < dongs> ask the pro pilot
2017-03-08T07:44:45 < dongs> pretty suer you dont parachute out of a cessna
2017-03-08T07:45:31 < englishman> haha
2017-03-08T07:46:03 < englishman> sure! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p6hqMnsLFY
2017-03-08T07:46:21 < englishman> the pilot was a skydiver and had a chute and jumped
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2017-03-08T07:47:55 < englishman> the planes crashed
2017-03-08T07:48:10 < englishman> normally they dont crash
2017-03-08T07:48:18 < englishman> but this time they did
2017-03-08T07:48:35 < englishman> like when one plane
2017-03-08T07:48:38 < englishman> hit the other plane
2017-03-08T07:48:46 < englishman> and as a result, the plane was damaged
2017-03-08T07:48:56 < englishman> thats when a crash occurs
2017-03-08T07:49:04 < englishman> i could read from the dictionary actually
2017-03-08T07:49:08 < englishman> and explain the meaning
2017-03-08T07:49:09 < englishman> of crash
2017-03-08T07:49:22 < englishman> wow man
2017-03-08T07:49:36 < englishman> theres like 500 angles from every camera on that plane
2017-03-08T07:49:45 < englishman> its probably the most detailed crash in history
2017-03-08T07:50:00 < englishman> serious question, do you have velcro shoes
2017-03-08T07:52:38 < dongs> r2com needs to watch more airforceproud95
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2017-03-08T07:54:50 < ohsix> i want a thing like pandora for my own mp3z, something that will move the album to another place if i like/dislike it :< also have some shuffle by taxonomy
2017-03-08T07:58:54 < dongs> wait till you hear china has these quadcopter "drones" that can collide with planes
2017-03-08T07:58:59 < dongs> you'll be super raged
2017-03-08T07:59:35 < dongs> yeah but they're made in china
2017-03-08T08:03:54 < englishman> heres a pretty similar death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_Jr.#Death
2017-03-08T08:04:02 < englishman> one of your capitalist heroes
2017-03-08T08:06:21 < ohsix> eevblug survet out and he says its' important!!11
2017-03-08T08:07:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, not sure if this was meant to be helpful or funny, but if you want to dick with blender it might be helpful    https://i.redd.it/mwnf8h8hn1ky.png
2017-03-08T08:07:34 < ohsix> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gJE-Zi7egOslPbB8NoWQ_XtDl-wUXP8ZyW0YAGqmzds/viewform?pageId=103563209198255636490
2017-03-08T08:08:18 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice
2017-03-08T08:08:30 < ohsix> i just need to sit down and do it
2017-03-08T08:08:51 < ohsix> subbed to a channel on yt that looked like it had some useful stuff, haven't yet tho
2017-03-08T08:09:57 < ohsix> one of the poll questions is about another host
2017-03-08T08:11:23 < ohsix> upgrdman: need to get a real 3 button mouse
2017-03-08T08:11:43 < upgrdman> ohsix, not really. just click your wheel
2017-03-08T08:13:09 < ohsix> mx revo switches modes
2017-03-08T08:13:20 < ohsix> and if you change it to  be middle click, it is really bad
2017-03-08T08:13:37 < ohsix> basically impossible to really use
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2017-03-08T08:15:09 < dongs> amp!ed
2017-03-08T08:15:20 < ohsix> i've gotta write some smtp codez tomorrow for some thing, heheh
2017-03-08T08:15:35 < ohsix> everyone seems to just do it themselves rather than make a library
2017-03-08T08:15:59 < ohsix> none of the existing poop i found handles any of the multi-line responses
2017-03-08T08:16:13 < englishman> died good russian death, in service of country
2017-03-08T08:20:00 < PeterM> englishman your conversation wiht r2commie reminded me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
2017-03-08T08:20:24 < englishman> thats a good one
2017-03-08T08:24:34 < englishman> new gat is pretty cool
2017-03-08T08:24:40 < englishman> glass gets here thursday
2017-03-08T08:24:59 < englishman> i got a long range gat
2017-03-08T08:25:03 < englishman> long-er
2017-03-08T08:25:28 < englishman> and will try to murder a moose in 2018
2017-03-08T08:26:14 < PeterM> what kinda gat?
2017-03-08T08:26:20 < PeterM> fuck
2017-03-08T08:26:57 < englishman> savage 111 in 7mm rem mag
2017-03-08T08:27:27 < PeterM> ehh
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2017-03-08T08:28:45 < englishman> is it roo certified PeterM 
2017-03-08T08:29:14 < PeterM> you don't need much for a roo if oyu give ti a headache
2017-03-08T08:29:30 < englishman> 6.5 what
2017-03-08T08:30:14 < englishman> which
2017-03-08T08:30:18 < englishman> and no
2017-03-08T08:30:56 < englishman> niche stuff is always expensive and hard to get
2017-03-08T08:31:23 < englishman> dont even see dies for any 6.5mm
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2017-03-08T08:31:59 < englishman> 6.5x55 mauser
2017-03-08T08:31:59 < englishman> yea
2017-03-08T08:32:02 < englishman> but good luck
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2017-03-08T08:33:10 < englishman> what non russian shit comes in 6.5x55
2017-03-08T08:33:22 < englishman> not even cheap riffles like savage use thqat
2017-03-08T08:33:46 < englishman> one rare as fuck tikka
2017-03-08T08:34:03 < englishman> right
2017-03-08T08:34:09 < englishman> because that matters right
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2017-03-08T08:34:23 < englishman> this is a 100% necessary expense
2017-03-08T08:34:38 < englishman> there is no reason to shoot anything except 22lr
2017-03-08T08:34:44 < englishman> for .04c
2017-03-08T08:34:48 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-08T08:35:31 < englishman> even upgrdman knows
2017-03-08T08:35:40 < englishman> so R2COM 
2017-03-08T08:35:48 < englishman> do your shoes have velcro
2017-03-08T08:36:04 < upgrdman> i remember when obama took office people were freaking the fuck out and buying up ammo
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2017-03-08T08:36:09 < upgrdman> and a brick of 22LR was like $40
2017-03-08T08:36:19 < upgrdman> or $60 even at some places
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2017-03-08T08:37:04 < upgrdman> mental retarded people wear velcro shoes. requires less skill
2017-03-08T08:37:12 < PeterM> my practical firearms were only .223, .308 and 12ga, all of which are cheap as chips and available everywhere
2017-03-08T08:37:32 < englishman> yea PeterM i agree fully
2017-03-08T08:38:33 < englishman> but even 308 is not recommended for moose
2017-03-08T08:38:45 < englishman> its 30-06 or larger
2017-03-08T08:39:07 < englishman> moose is delicious
2017-03-08T08:39:31 < PeterM> englishman, the same as what i said about roos, if oyu give them a headache even 223 will probably be enough
2017-03-08T08:40:14 < upgrdman> R2COM, just hunt with a 50BMG. they wont feel any pain.
2017-03-08T08:40:15 < englishman> i ate both roo and moose on saturday
2017-03-08T08:40:19 < englishman> good stuff
2017-03-08T08:40:41 < englishman> 2 different moose
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2017-03-08T08:41:32 < PeterM> oh, ya,  also, i bought a random scientific casio calc the  other day, goddamn it feels cheap and chitzy as shit compared to my other one
2017-03-08T08:42:14 < englishman> thats a good calc
2017-03-08T08:42:27 < englishman> sure
2017-03-08T08:42:31 < englishman> ishevsk
2017-03-08T08:42:36 < englishman> sure
2017-03-08T08:42:39 < englishman> theyre cheap as fuck
2017-03-08T08:42:46 < englishman> mosin, sks, svd, etc
2017-03-08T08:43:04 < englishman> cuz russia
2017-03-08T08:43:38 < PeterM> fx115 seem,s very similar to my new one, are you sure it feels ok? my new one is fx-991es plus, feels shit
2017-03-08T08:44:16 < englishman> same thing peter, i have the one with hex
2017-03-08T08:44:21 < PeterM> my fx-82tl feels like tank by comparison, and even it is a bit shoddy
2017-03-08T08:44:21 < englishman> its liteweight
2017-03-08T08:44:28 < englishman> modern, sleek
2017-03-08T08:44:32 < englishman> but still durable
2017-03-08T08:44:52 < upgrdman> what does the ,,, button do on the fx115?
2017-03-08T08:45:01 < englishman> R2COM: i reloaded some 7.62x54r this afternoon
2017-03-08T08:45:10 < englishman> for feeding of great mosin
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2017-03-08T08:46:36 < dongs> skidrow
2017-03-08T08:47:15 < PeterM> upgrdman isnt it D,M,S?
2017-03-08T08:47:36 < englishman> yeah
2017-03-08T08:47:40 < englishman> why wouldnt you make your own ammo
2017-03-08T08:47:48 < englishman> do you eat at mcdonalds for every meal
2017-03-08T08:48:46 < upgrdman> PeterM, this  http://imgur.com/a/nY5ha
2017-03-08T08:49:03 < upgrdman> o ya
2017-03-08T08:49:04 < PeterM> thats D,M<,S
2017-03-08T08:49:06 < upgrdman> that'd be dms
2017-03-08T08:49:11 < englishman> its all the deliminators in all the modes
2017-03-08T08:49:13 < dongs> do you check your autism levels before every flight
2017-03-08T08:49:18 < upgrdman> ya brain fart. nm.
2017-03-08T08:49:28 < englishman> yeah shooting gunz is a totally mandatory pasttime
2017-03-08T08:49:34 < englishman> such a time waster
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2017-03-08T08:49:51 < upgrdman> doesnt canada heavy restrict guns?
2017-03-08T08:50:21 < englishman> doesnt california ban all guns
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2017-03-08T08:50:28 < englishman> dono, few minutes
2017-03-08T08:50:30 < upgrdman> no, just 10 round mag limit
2017-03-08T08:50:31 < englishman> of 223
2017-03-08T08:50:46 < englishman> for 120
2017-03-08T08:50:53 < englishman> 223 is easy
2017-03-08T08:50:58 < PeterM> if you're not doing anything special, reloading is heaps quick
2017-03-08T08:50:59 < dongs> dingleberrypi finalyl made computemodule3 actually fit into the fucking dimm socket
2017-03-08T08:51:03 < dongs> thickness=wise
2017-03-08T08:51:11 < PeterM> kek
2017-03-08T08:51:12 < dongs> v1 was way too fucking thick
2017-03-08T08:51:22 < dongs> you had to wiggle teh shit like 10 times before it snapped in
2017-03-08T08:51:23 < englishman> well why would you make 120 when you can make 2k
2017-03-08T08:51:24 < dongs> fuckign garbage
2017-03-08T08:51:33 < englishman> and watch some movie at the same time
2017-03-08T08:51:39 < upgrdman> R2COM, turret presses make reloading quick
2017-03-08T08:52:16 < englishman> well the powder machine does that
2017-03-08T08:52:27 < upgrdman> R2COM, humans have developed tools to makes processes quicker. mind blowing, huh
2017-03-08T08:52:32 < englishman> yeah crazy
2017-03-08T08:52:41 < englishman> notice upgrdman he didnt answer the velcro question
2017-03-08T08:52:46 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-08T08:52:56 < englishman> depends
2017-03-08T08:53:17 < englishman> 9mm is like, i dono what i paid but a box of 1000 boolits was like $50?
2017-03-08T08:53:25 < englishman> primers and powder are like free
2017-03-08T08:53:30 < PeterM> i reload 12ga, but for .223 and .308 i jsut sell the brass back
2017-03-08T08:53:31 < englishman> 223 is cheaper
2017-03-08T08:53:35 < englishman> boolits are 1/2 weight
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2017-03-08T08:53:52 < englishman> yeah, and il buy that brass pete
2017-03-08T08:53:54 < englishman> :)
2017-03-08T08:54:14 < englishman> never considered reloading 12g
2017-03-08T08:54:20 < PeterM> englishman buying in 500 is so cheap it doesnt bother me
2017-03-08T08:54:24 < englishman> but its pretty cheap and i dont shoot much of that
2017-03-08T08:54:40 < PeterM> i shoot so much 12g at birds its worth my time
2017-03-08T08:54:50 < englishman> lead shot
2017-03-08T08:54:51 < englishman> ?
2017-03-08T08:54:55 < PeterM> ya
2017-03-08T08:55:08 < englishman> really, but its so cheap
2017-03-08T08:55:31 < PeterM> reloading is super cheawp becuase you are putting practically nothing into it
2017-03-08T08:55:47 < englishman> doesnt 12g require new shells?
2017-03-08T08:56:15 < PeterM> not for binot for small loads
2017-03-08T08:56:23 < PeterM> not for birds etc
2017-03-08T08:56:40 < englishman> id like to shoot more skeet/trap, have several kilorounds here from a sale
2017-03-08T08:56:50 < englishman> and a claythrower
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2017-03-08T08:57:20 < englishman> the turkey loads were expensive i admit
2017-03-08T08:57:34 < upgrdman> whats in a turkye loa
2017-03-08T08:57:37 < englishman> but dont need a lot of rounds so whatever
2017-03-08T08:57:45 < PeterM> the toher thing is, i like shootign random shit out of hte shotgun
2017-03-08T08:57:47 < englishman> like 3.5" #4 2oz
2017-03-08T08:58:58 < PeterM> R2COM dunno, nobody uses shit  ruski guns and ammo here
2017-03-08T09:00:07 < PeterM> its quite cheap, probably 1/4th the cost of new
2017-03-08T09:00:16 < PeterM> not including time
2017-03-08T09:00:31 < PeterM> in .au prices are a little more expensive
2017-03-08T09:00:59 < englishman> i think reloading is cheap no matter where you are
2017-03-08T09:01:31 < englishman> after the equipment investment anyway
2017-03-08T09:02:16 < englishman> well thats already reloaded ammo
2017-03-08T09:02:21 < englishman> as it states
2017-03-08T09:02:35 < englishman> good luck
2017-03-08T09:03:23 < englishman> what a shitty website
2017-03-08T09:03:43 < englishman> so hwo much did you buy
2017-03-08T09:03:59 < englishman> 30c sounds right
2017-03-08T09:04:19 < Steffanx> Yankees, even when imported, and their gun fetish -_-
2017-03-08T09:04:53 < Steffanx> Are you redneck R2COM ?
2017-03-08T09:05:04 < englishman> its like 0.60 beaverbux for remington 55g and thats from overpriced local hipster store
2017-03-08T09:05:29 < englishman> i cant do your homework for you sorry
2017-03-08T09:06:47 < englishman> i sold my only ar15 like 10y ago
2017-03-08T09:06:50 < englishman> it was a colt btw
2017-03-08T09:06:59 < englishman> sp1 sporter first gen
2017-03-08T09:07:14 < dongs> how the fuck is gun talk STM32 related
2017-03-08T09:07:18 < dongs> you twats
2017-03-08T09:07:38 < PeterM> over here ammo is mroe expensive, the cheapest possible 223 is like 0.70aud ea (so like $0.55usd) if oyu buy 1000, reloading .223 works out to around 0.20aud per round so its pretty worth while
2017-03-08T09:08:18 < englishman> look at all these stm32 chats we're missing out on
2017-03-08T09:08:46 < englishman> dongs whats the benefit of l0 over f0 anyway
2017-03-08T09:08:51 < zyp> M0+
2017-03-08T09:08:53 < englishman> it operates 0.2V lower vdd?
2017-03-08T09:08:58 < dongs> ^ wat zyp said
2017-03-08T09:09:05 < dongs> you have SCB->VTOR
2017-03-08T09:09:09 < englishman> wat, f0 isnt m0+?
2017-03-08T09:09:13 < dongs> correct
2017-03-08T09:09:14 < zyp> f0 is M0
2017-03-08T09:09:18 < dongs> its old as fak
2017-03-08T09:09:18 < zyp> l0 is M0+
2017-03-08T09:09:38 < dongs> just go with atmel
2017-03-08T09:09:42 < dongs> samd0 or wahtever
2017-03-08T09:09:49 < englishman> what does this change for the develioper
2017-03-08T09:09:58 < dongs> nothing if they use pro tools
2017-03-08T09:10:02 < englishman> it still doesnt have inteer divide
2017-03-08T09:10:09 < dongs> < dongs> you have SCB->VTOR
2017-03-08T09:10:12 < dongs> the only advantage
2017-03-08T09:10:21 < dongs> so you can write sekure encrypting bootlaoder
2017-03-08T09:10:24 < dongs> and protect your codez
2017-03-08T09:10:28 < englishman> but l0 is like 2x price
2017-03-08T09:10:37 < englishman> also thats dumb
2017-03-08T09:10:37 < dongs> sam d0 is cheap
2017-03-08T09:10:41 < dongs> what are you trying to do anyway
2017-03-08T09:11:00 < englishman> all i want is a stm32 with cell battery power and touchsense
2017-03-08T09:11:00 < dongs> i bought 5k of qfn28 or qfn32 F0s but that was a specia ldeal
2017-03-08T09:11:03 < dongs> they were like .30 or someshit
2017-03-08T09:11:09 < englishman> l0 and f0 current consumption seems ~samd
2017-03-08T09:11:27 < englishman> more low power periphs on l0 but that doesnt really matter forthis
2017-03-08T09:11:53 < englishman> wait m0 doesnt have vtor
2017-03-08T09:12:01 < dongs>  + does
2017-03-08T09:12:06 < englishman> isnt that basic as fuck arm functionality
2017-03-08T09:12:14 < dongs> it is optional
2017-03-08T09:12:26 < dongs> save 5 gates
2017-03-08T09:12:32 < dongs> gate lives matter
2017-03-08T09:12:41 < englishman> f1 had that 11 years ago
2017-03-08T09:12:53 < dongs> f401 can be very lowe power.
2017-03-08T09:12:59 < dongs> does it have junktouch?
2017-03-08T09:13:02 < englishman> thats the year the prestige came out
2017-03-08T09:13:15 < englishman> is f401 <1$ and qfp32
2017-03-08T09:13:21 < dongs> negative on both
2017-03-08T09:13:32 < englishman> then its excessive
2017-03-08T09:13:46 < englishman> some cheap f0 should be available
2017-03-08T09:14:05 < englishman> its on a nucleo
2017-03-08T09:14:20 < dongs> smallest nucleo is 64pin
2017-03-08T09:14:32 < Thorn> https://cdn-learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/using-neopixels-with-netduino.pdf  "This is a Netduino Plus 2, which runs at 168 MHz"  "It takes 17.6 microseconds to toggle that pin."  168MHz * 17.6us = 2957 cycles
2017-03-08T09:14:40 < englishman> lies
2017-03-08T09:15:09 < englishman> the arduino nano noes
2017-03-08T09:15:10 < englishman> ones
2017-03-08T09:15:12 < englishman> are small
2017-03-08T09:15:31 < englishman> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/nucleo-f042k6.html
2017-03-08T09:15:41 < PeterM> jesus fuck
2017-03-08T09:15:44 < dongs> englishman: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/microchip-technology/ATSAMD20E14A-MUT/ATSAMD20E14A-MUTCT-ND/4431306
2017-03-08T09:15:46 < PeterM> 3k cycles
2017-03-08T09:15:50 < PeterM> thats fucked
2017-03-08T09:15:57 < dongs> that's NET for you
2017-03-08T09:16:12 < dongs> personally i blame mono
2017-03-08T09:16:24 < dongs> and therefore indirectly lunuix
2017-03-08T09:16:25 < PeterM> fuckin may aswell run the thing off its LSE and do it in 1 cycle
2017-03-08T09:16:28 < englishman> who is going to start ##avr32
2017-03-08T09:16:59 < zyp> qfp32 is overrated given that it isn't smaller than qfp48
2017-03-08T09:17:00 < PeterM> i dunno, but i know hitler will end ##avr32
2017-03-08T09:17:39 < englishman> wow atmel standby power is like 50x stm32
2017-03-08T09:17:48 < dongs> haha is it
2017-03-08T09:17:56 < englishman> zyp: thats easy to say when you arent the one assembling it
2017-03-08T09:18:03 < PeterM> ???
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2017-03-08T09:18:27 < zyp> englishman, well, yeah, I'm talking from a design perspective
2017-03-08T09:18:37 < zyp> are you having problems assembling 0.5mm pitch?
2017-03-08T09:18:37 < englishman> yeah, of course
2017-03-08T09:18:42 < englishman> actually no
2017-03-08T09:18:51 < englishman> the 0.5mm qfps have been nearly 100%
2017-03-08T09:19:05 < zyp> then what's your argument?
2017-03-08T09:19:16 < englishman> but theyre still not 9000% hands off like .65mm
2017-03-08T09:19:46 < englishman> the leads are so much wider, and further apart, its like a luxury highway
2017-03-08T09:19:58 < englishman> not a worry in the world
2017-03-08T09:20:54 < dongs> that D0 kinda sux anyway
2017-03-08T09:20:56 < dongs> $1.73 in china
2017-03-08T09:20:58 < dongs> o wellz
2017-03-08T09:26:09 < PeterM> is that the cheapest d0 in .cn?
2017-03-08T09:26:29 < PeterM> because fuck thats expensive, i mean whats the cheapest f0? like 0.35 or osmehting?
2017-03-08T09:27:11 < dongs> ya
2017-03-08T09:27:15 < dongs> i dunno if its cheapest
2017-03-08T09:27:19 < dongs> its jsut the one i asked
2017-03-08T09:27:22 < dongs> but that spec is pretty shit
2017-03-08T09:27:27 < dongs> probly nobody using that garbage amyway
2017-03-08T09:28:48 < PeterM> cheapest d0 is 14soic, atelast the cheapest f0 is tssop20
2017-03-08T09:31:20 < dongs> back to the soic being the most fucking worthless package on teh planet
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2017-03-08T09:32:15 < PeterM> yeah, no point to it
2017-03-08T09:32:24 < PeterM> especially in 2017
2017-03-08T09:35:37 < dongs> STM32L051K8U6 is available
2017-03-08T09:35:40 < dongs> how manyt do you expect to use?
2017-03-08T09:35:44 < dongs> tehres not a lot of htem
2017-03-08T09:35:48 < englishman> 3
2017-03-08T09:35:53 < dongs> total?
2017-03-08T09:36:02 < englishman> the way i see it
2017-03-08T09:36:17 < englishman> if china doesnt have em, its not worth buying in qty>5
2017-03-08T09:36:44 < dongs> Horrible picture choice!!! Take it down! Don’t you have a heart for his FAMILY????? I believe in free speech but what about his mom? Wow KNOM what a sick picture. So disgusted!!!!!
2017-03-08T09:36:49 < dongs> haha
2017-03-08T09:36:55 < dongs> was jus closing that nome plane crash url
2017-03-08T09:37:07 < upgrdman> what url
2017-03-08T09:37:13 < dongs> http://www.knom.org/wp/blog/2017/03/06/wasilla-pilot-killed-in-plane-crash-outside-of-nome/
2017-03-08T09:37:24 < dongs> you missed all the amp!6 discussion or something?
2017-03-08T09:37:27 < dongs> like 2 hours ago
2017-03-08T09:38:03 < upgrdman> ya i guess i overlooked it
2017-03-08T09:38:12 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-08T09:38:16 < dongs> STM32F031G6U6 also got
2017-03-08T09:38:23 < upgrdman> how are you going from "amp!" to "oh" ? i dont see the relation
2017-03-08T09:38:34 < dongs> upgrdman: that he has to google all the answers
2017-03-08T09:38:40 < dongs> and google amp
2017-03-08T09:38:44 < upgrdman> lol k
2017-03-08T09:38:51 < ohsix> i had to read books for answers too
2017-03-08T09:38:54 < ohsix> lots of work
2017-03-08T09:39:30 < dongs> http://www.knom.org/wp/blog/2017/03/07/distraction-or-advantage-mushers-disagree-on-iditarods-new-electronic-device-rule/ alaska problems
2017-03-08T09:39:58 < ohsix> i reupped my patron card at the tech library today
2017-03-08T09:40:01 < ohsix> they have some amazing books
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2017-03-08T09:40:13 < ohsix> if you have one, or a college library nearby, go get one :[
2017-03-08T09:40:14 < upgrdman> the i-diddle-rods is the big husky-dragging-white-guy race, right?
2017-03-08T09:40:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> I need to find a goog reference book
2017-03-08T09:40:28 < ohsix> goog, lul
2017-03-08T09:40:29 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah
2017-03-08T09:40:30 < ohsix> on what
2017-03-08T09:40:40 < dongs> 100% animal abuse, better inform PETA
2017-03-08T09:40:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> Mech eng mostly I think.
2017-03-08T09:40:58 < ohsix> that's not specific enough olol
2017-03-08T09:41:01 < ohsix> mechanics? materials?
2017-03-08T09:41:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> Mechanics. Touch on materials
2017-03-08T09:41:23 < ohsix> hrm
2017-03-08T09:41:32 < ohsix> i can tell you what i have
2017-03-08T09:41:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> There was an AIAA one that I liked, but it has jet stuff, which I dont' care about, and it's like $70 online
2017-03-08T09:41:42 < ohsix> don't know of the must-have books in that area tho
2017-03-08T09:41:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> ok
2017-03-08T09:42:03 < dongs> i need a $GOOG reference book
2017-03-08T09:42:05 < dongs> how to search faster
2017-03-08T09:42:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> For a materials, I need to get a better timoshenko
2017-03-08T09:42:22 < ohsix> synge & griffith - principles of mechanics
2017-03-08T09:42:25 < Jak_o_Shadows> Mine is an introduction, co-authored with gere
2017-03-08T09:42:31 < ohsix> cheng - statics and strength of materials
2017-03-08T09:42:50 < ohsix> i have some other ones that touch on mechanics/materials but they're not in eye line & don't remember offhand
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2017-03-08T09:43:16 < ohsix> there are just general mechanical engineering books tho, that cover how to calculate loads and types of joints, properties of concrete and other stuff in exercises
2017-03-08T09:43:33 < ohsix> and you reminded me i needed to pull a book for someone, thanks :p
2017-03-08T09:44:10 < ohsix> 'ai' came up in the lab today among business/advertising types, going to lend my patrick winston ai book thing to them, so they can get an idea of what it even is
2017-03-08T09:44:17 < ohsix> it's before the ai winter, so it's all practical stuff :D
2017-03-08T09:45:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=18949928644&searchurl=kn%3DAIAA%2Bdesign%2Bguide%26sts%3Dt%26sortby%3D17 is the one I quite liked
2017-03-08T09:46:46 < ohsix> hurr it was with the stuff i took to sf, along with a big envelope of cash i forgot about
2017-03-08T09:47:07 < dongs> englishman: 031 is 1.25, 051 is 1.80
2017-03-08T09:47:11 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: nice, do you know about isbn.nu?
2017-03-08T09:47:14 < dongs> there must be some special M0+ jew premium
2017-03-08T09:47:30 < ohsix> another nice thing about a tech library, no dewey decimal stuff
2017-03-08T09:47:47 < ohsix> it's like str8 up, science, art, humanities, literature and another category i don't remember
2017-03-08T09:47:52 < Jak_o_Shadows> ohsix, nope.
2017-03-08T09:47:59 < ohsix> and science is split up into physics, math, bunch of other shit
2017-03-08T09:48:08 < englishman> cool, 051 is the one I'm looking for, but wasn't 072 like $1
2017-03-08T09:48:35 < englishman> or are you talking l0
2017-03-08T09:48:40 < dongs> those are l0s
2017-03-08T09:48:45 < englishman> oh
2017-03-08T09:48:46 < dongs> i pasted 2 part numbers
2017-03-08T09:48:48 < englishman> nice
2017-03-08T09:48:49 < dongs> scroll up
2017-03-08T09:48:52 < englishman> yea
2017-03-08T09:48:55 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: it's nice, the item view for a title shows prices for it at tons of different webshits you can buy something at http://isbn.nu/9781563475900
2017-03-08T09:49:05 < dongs> err wait, one is L0 one is F0
2017-03-08T09:49:11 < englishman> yea
2017-03-08T09:49:14 < dongs> too much
2017-03-08T09:49:19 < dongs> how about dicknetis
2017-03-08T09:49:23 < englishman> f031
2017-03-08T09:49:29 < ohsix> busted out the barcode scanner @ lab today and scanned all sorts of shit, upcs and stuff into amazon, books into isbn.nu
2017-03-08T09:49:32 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/nxp-usa-inc/MKL03Z8VFG4/MKL03Z8VFG4-ND/4800183
2017-03-08T09:49:35 < Jak_o_Shadows> oh, neato.
2017-03-08T09:49:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> Thanks
2017-03-08T09:49:54 < ohsix> rfid stickers in books might be the thing i use rfid for huhuhu
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2017-03-08T09:50:26 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: you can still find places cheaper but it hits all the important stuff for a good idea about how much cheaper
2017-03-08T09:51:06 < dongs> thanks ohsix, for googling for me
2017-03-08T09:51:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> aye
2017-03-08T09:51:29 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/839382811773546496
2017-03-08T09:51:43 < Thorn> >The other problem is the garbage collector, which runs "once in a while". ... But if it runs while we are pulsing signals to the WS2812,
2017-03-08T09:51:50 < Thorn> are they serious
2017-03-08T09:52:13 < dongs> thorn why are you autisming over this
2017-03-08T09:52:19 < dongs> its not like you can stop teh MAKE:R generation
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2017-03-08T09:52:28 < ohsix> they'll outmake
2017-03-08T09:53:13 < ohsix> hrm found the radar book i bought in sf too, forgot about it
2017-03-08T09:53:21 < dongs> i mean
2017-03-08T09:53:26 < dongs> arduino takes like 200 cycles at 16mhz
2017-03-08T09:53:30 < dongs> to toggle gpio
2017-03-08T09:53:35 < dongs> how many people died over this?
2017-03-08T09:53:37 < dongs> probably zero
2017-03-08T09:53:54 < ohsix> it's not 200, but it isn't 15 either
2017-03-08T09:54:09  * ohsix ctrl+r something
2017-03-08T09:54:54 < ohsix> i use direct-io which is some template library stuff that touts compile time minimal codez!111
2017-03-08T09:54:59 < ohsix> and it can do like 800khz
2017-03-08T09:56:02 < ohsix> i'd like to see someone try wiring2.0 with gpio and other stuff as first class idioms so you don't need to check if a pin is doing pwm or calculate what bank it is in like digitalWhatever does
2017-03-08T09:58:31 < ohsix> size of digitalWrite is 152 bytes, 16 butt opcodes, don't care enough to find worst/best case
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2017-03-08T09:59:25 < ohsix> lul there's a pal of mine, i think he's having an existential crisis over me knowing so much programming garbage
2017-03-08T09:59:43 < ohsix> i told him i was sequestered in a cave for 30 years and somehow that wasn't clear enough
2017-03-08T10:04:51 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/PCB-layout-review/
2017-03-08T10:05:02 < dongs> > high speed, FPGA, DDR, 6 layer pcb
2017-03-08T10:05:09 < dongs> > 4-5 years experience w/high speed design
2017-03-08T10:05:11 < dongs> > $250 budget
2017-03-08T10:06:51 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: anyways, always up for book recommendations, lemme know if you find something interesting
2017-03-08T10:07:46 < ohsix> also crap on aliexpress
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2017-03-08T10:09:27 < ohsix> nice. local library accepts donations
2017-03-08T10:15:35 < Jak_o_Shadows> will do
2017-03-08T10:15:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> Wiring is a piece of junk.
2017-03-08T10:15:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> Wanna use a servo AND pwm a pin out? Better check it yourself, cause it will just stomp over the timers
2017-03-08T10:16:00 < ohsix> it is and it isn't
2017-03-08T10:16:05 < ohsix> cuz you can just go do that shit
2017-03-08T10:16:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> The docs need to explain some of that stuff
2017-03-08T10:17:16 < ohsix> i wanna see something like devicetree for a target that can express relationships like the pwm one and how the pins are shared
2017-03-08T10:17:47 < ohsix> conversely if you don't even put pwm capability in the devicetree map for what you're doing, you don't have to even know about it
2017-03-08T10:19:03 < dongs> wat
2017-03-08T10:22:55 < Steffanx> O6 ;)
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2017-03-08T10:25:43 < ohsix> sup
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2017-03-08T10:40:14 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-Pocket-Phone-Projector-Home-Cinema-Theater-for-Smartphone-Tablet-Hot-/222254621038?hash=item33bf68616e:g:dDwAAOSwmLlX313l lul
2017-03-08T10:40:19 < dongs> well thats a first
2017-03-08T10:40:27 < dongs> shipped about 20kg of caps/resistor reels by SF
2017-03-08T10:40:35 < dongs> they returned it back to chinagirl cuz 'contains samsung branded caps'
2017-03-08T10:40:49 < dongs> .. been using samsung caps for years no problme
2017-03-08T10:40:49 < dongs> wtf
2017-03-08T10:44:24 < ohsix> you just got trumped yo
2017-03-08T10:44:29 < ohsix> world set on dick mode
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2017-03-08T10:49:01 < sync_> interesting dongs
2017-03-08T10:51:37 < dongs> usually send by direct sf tho, this was agent loff to HK first, they probly got different rules regarding this shit
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2017-03-08T11:00:36 < Thorn> is there specialized software for making wiring diagrams? (other than autocad electrical)
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2017-03-08T11:03:45 < dongs> i know who knows
2017-03-08T11:03:52 < dongs> but hes 19 minutes idle
2017-03-08T11:06:05 < dongs> meanwhile you can type same question into google
2017-03-08T11:06:09 < dongs> and probably get the same answer
2017-03-08T11:09:50 < Thorn> ok then time for GNU Inkscape
2017-03-08T11:15:29 < dongs> gnu/cockring
2017-03-08T11:17:56 < PeterM> if you're not allergic to visio its OK
2017-03-08T11:19:41 < dongs> there's actually freetard designspark electrical
2017-03-08T11:19:56 < dongs> https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/electrical-software
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2017-03-08T11:32:11 < Kerr-A> so I am not meeting success setting the stm32 clock source...
2017-03-08T11:32:30 < jadew> the board I sent out today had some unconnected nets...
2017-03-08T11:32:48 < jadew> kicad's DRC has separate tab for unconnected shit
2017-03-08T11:32:55 < jadew> it has a tab for problems (default)
2017-03-08T11:33:01 < dongs> lul
2017-03-08T11:33:05 < jadew> and one for unconnected - like this is not a freaking problem
2017-03-08T11:33:15 < dongs> how the fuck do you not see unconnected nets
2017-03-08T11:33:19 < dongs> on a pcb
2017-03-08T11:33:23 < dongs> is kikecad UI that FUCKING BAD
2017-03-08T11:33:41 < jadew> I had a PCB pour, because I needed the trace to be a specific shape
2017-03-08T11:33:59 < jadew> sorry
2017-03-08T11:34:01 < jadew> polygon pour
2017-03-08T11:34:14 < jadew> and it doesn't figure out the net for the pour from the thing you first click on
2017-03-08T11:34:29 < jadew> and I selected C1-Pad 1 instead of C1-Pad 2
2017-03-08T11:34:50 < jadew> the copper didn't get created during the DRC step and that was it
2017-03-08T11:35:09 < emeryth> but it puts arrows where you fucked up
2017-03-08T11:35:16 < jadew> it didn't
2017-03-08T11:35:43 < dongs> maybe you need to run the special v0.234293847239847rel3 for that
2017-03-08T11:35:52 < zyp> heh
2017-03-08T11:35:53 < jadew> and that pour looks exactly like the correct ones when you disable showing the filled pour
2017-03-08T11:35:58 < dongs> anyway no sympathy for kikecad fuckups whatsoever
2017-03-08T11:36:31 < zyp> poor design review
2017-03-08T11:36:53 < dongs> you shoulda pasted your screenshot of pcb in here
2017-03-08T11:36:57 < dongs> for review
2017-03-08T11:37:14 < zyp> I used to always look over the gerbers before submitting them
2017-03-08T11:37:29 < zyp> but I've got pretty lazy at that
2017-03-08T11:37:42 < sync_> yeah I just #yolo it
2017-03-08T11:37:55 < jadew> I checked it in the 3d viewer, but I just missed that
2017-03-08T11:38:25 < zyp> judging by experience, my fuckups are mostly in the schematic anyway
2017-03-08T11:38:37 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-08T11:38:42 < dongs> i trust altidumb to make my pcb legit
2017-03-08T11:39:20 < zyp> I mean, only fuckup I can remember off the top of my head is the one signal I forgot to hook up to nfc chip, and that was because I thought it weren't needed
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2017-03-08T11:39:57 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/XJfyF.JPG <- this shit
2017-03-08T11:40:39 < dongs> then you redeemed yourself by making a giant fucking jumper that actually worked
2017-03-08T11:40:54 < Kerr-A> Here are the relavent parts that I've written: http://pastebin.com/zt0DLyUd    When I add this bit at the start of main()    RCC_CR |= 1 << RCC_HSION;      The chip never enters the main loop... What am I doing wrong? (main is just a spin delay blink I lifted)
2017-03-08T11:40:57 < dongs> without shorting 3 other pins around it
2017-03-08T11:41:35 < Kerr-A> I grabbed those addresses from the datashee. stm32f103c8t6
2017-03-08T11:41:38 < jadew> I have a similar one too, but I made a much shorter jumper
2017-03-08T11:41:45 < jadew> and had to rework the board with a cutter :P
2017-03-08T11:43:09 < dongs> i think youre just not pro enough
2017-03-08T11:43:24 < jadew> most likely
2017-03-08T11:43:40 < jadew> if I was pro enough, I would have used a better tool
2017-03-08T11:49:02 < Kerr-A> ... anyone?
2017-03-08T11:49:15 < Kerr-A> im really beating my head against a wall
2017-03-08T11:50:49 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/51s0F
2017-03-08T11:51:01 < jadew> the copper area on the right of C1
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2017-03-08T11:51:35 < dongs> and?
2017-03-08T11:51:44 < jadew> just saying, easy to miss visually
2017-03-08T11:52:09 < dongs> does kikecad not hagve copper pour manager or something
2017-03-08T11:52:12 < dongs> where you can see all o f them
2017-03-08T11:52:55 < jadew> I don't think it does
2017-03-08T11:52:57 < zyp> do you actually use the polygon manager in altium?
2017-03-08T11:53:01 < dongs> yes?
2017-03-08T11:53:05 < jadew> it's very lacking in features
2017-03-08T11:53:19 < jadew> for example, if you lock a footprint you can't tell its locked
2017-03-08T11:53:32 < jadew> and there's no way to unlock it (or lock it) via the GUI
2017-03-08T11:53:34 < dongs> zyp, i use it to make board-shaped pours, as well as change pour order for shit that would cause to mis-pour because of that, as well as general preview of stuff
2017-03-08T11:53:49 < jadew> so if you lock it by mistake and you don't know the shortcuts you have to start googling
2017-03-08T11:53:51 < zyp> yeah, I've only used it for pour order
2017-03-08T11:54:01 < dongs> how do you make a board-shaped pour then
2017-03-08T11:54:06 < dongs> just drag the shit around pcb?
2017-03-08T11:54:26 < jadew> that's what I do
2017-03-08T11:54:30 < dongs> if your shit is not rectangular/etc that's a cunt to do
2017-03-08T11:54:37 < jadew> yeah
2017-03-08T11:55:08 < zyp> well, usually that's what I do, but can't you just use the same trick as for making outline?
2017-03-08T11:55:33 < dongs> waht trick? dsd?
2017-03-08T11:55:46 < dongs> pour manager has a specific 'make pour based on outline' shit
2017-03-08T11:56:07 < dongs> thats still fastert than even doing a rectangular one by hand
2017-03-08T11:56:24 < dongs> and you get to name it, define attached net, declare hatching/etc all in one place
2017-03-08T11:56:27 < dongs> and it gets committed.
2017-03-08T11:57:38 < zyp> cool
2017-03-08T11:58:22 < zyp> then again, last board I made (that D4A shit) doesn't even have a polygon filling the board :p
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2017-03-08T12:03:32 < jadew> in kicad you don't even have automated via stitching
2017-03-08T12:03:48 < emeryth> soon
2017-03-08T12:03:49 < jadew> you have to place them all by hand
2017-03-08T12:04:39 < jadew> emeryth, let's hope so, cuz it's one of the most annoying things
2017-03-08T12:05:29 < emeryth> there are some scripts for that already, they promise to include it in version 5.0
2017-03-08T12:05:54 < jadew> I should look them up
2017-03-08T12:06:14 < zyp> even though altium does have automated via stitching, I still prefer doing it by hand
2017-03-08T12:06:25 < jadew> if I had some free time at my disposal I'd contribute to kicad
2017-03-08T12:06:53 < zyp> I mean, at least for stitching ground planes in 2L shit
2017-03-08T12:07:28 < jadew> zyp, some parts are fine by hand, but sometimes you just don't care and you want a bunch of vias
2017-03-08T12:07:32 < zyp> because then I want the vias in corners and along edges
2017-03-08T12:07:50 < zyp> the automated stuff just throws them on a grid
2017-03-08T12:08:24 < jadew> that's fine most of the times
2017-03-08T12:08:39 < zyp> fine for what?
2017-03-08T12:09:05 < zyp> if you're going by what works, you don't need to stitch at all
2017-03-08T12:10:04 < jadew> no, I mean, that most of the times you stitch close to your fast signals
2017-03-08T12:10:31 < jadew> the return currents don't flow back bellow the source trace only for low frequency
2017-03-08T12:10:46 < jadew> in which case the difference in impedance doesn't matter that much anyway
2017-03-08T12:11:03 < jadew> so if they go back on some weird path, it doesn't really matter
2017-03-08T12:13:18 < jadew> usually you're much better off not doing any stitching at all
2017-03-08T12:13:45 < jadew> just keeping the ground plane clean and getting ground as needed, with a via
2017-03-08T12:13:56 < jadew> the reason you need stitching is when you maintain two ground planes
2017-03-08T12:18:27 < zyp> of course
2017-03-08T12:18:46 < zyp> which is what you end up with on 2L boards where you can't dedicate one layer to a plane
2017-03-08T12:18:48 < dongs> < jadew> if I had some free time at my disposal I'd contribute to kicad
2017-03-08T12:18:54 < dongs> if you used pro tools, you would have free time
2017-03-08T12:19:02 < jadew> haha dongs 
2017-03-08T12:19:03 < dongs> but at that point, youwouldn't be touching kikecad
2017-03-08T12:19:12 < zyp> on 4L stuff, I tend to just do an internal plane and no pours on outer layers
2017-03-08T12:19:31 < dongs> i just do pours cuz they look nice
2017-03-08T12:19:34 < jadew> zyp, yeah, that's ideal
2017-03-08T12:19:35 < dongs> (the only reason
2017-03-08T12:19:48 < dongs> the poured green is greener
2017-03-08T12:19:49 < zyp> dongs, 4L shit without pours also looks nice
2017-03-08T12:20:03 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/r1ChW.JPG <- like this
2017-03-08T12:20:12 < jadew> I like the look of the pour too
2017-03-08T12:20:15 < dongs> did you ever do anytrhing with that shit
2017-03-08T12:20:22 < dongs> guessinG: no
2017-03-08T12:20:31 < zyp> dicked around with migen and made a FSMC slave
2017-03-08T12:20:42 < zyp> which acts as a wishbone master
2017-03-08T12:22:25 < dongs> migen sounds like python faggotry
2017-03-08T12:22:36 < dongs> is that the SOT223 LDO with fucked pinout
2017-03-08T12:22:49 < zyp> no, that's plain 1117
2017-03-08T12:23:02 < zyp> stupid shit was on the lpc43xx board
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2017-03-08T12:29:16 < jadew> freaking power outages
2017-03-08T12:29:38 < jadew> I get 2 or 3 per month
2017-03-08T12:29:45 < jadew> and sometimes they last for hours
2017-03-08T12:31:11 < zyp> heh
2017-03-08T12:31:19 < zyp> I think I've had one over the last year
2017-03-08T12:31:48 < jadew> it's only the this and a couple of other buildings
2017-03-08T12:31:53 < zyp> and that's when I found out I have longer battery backup than my ISP had
2017-03-08T12:32:12 < zyp> fiber link went down before my UPS got empty
2017-03-08T12:32:27 < jadew> heh, I don't keep the router in the UPS
2017-03-08T12:32:31 < jadew> just the desktop
2017-03-08T12:32:55 < jadew> I get ~45 minutes on battery
2017-03-08T12:33:11 < zyp> I had router and fiber converter plugged into UPS, and router also powers AP and the other switch over PoE
2017-03-08T12:33:19 < jadew> just enough to shut down linux
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2017-03-08T12:34:01 < zyp> PoE is a nice way to get entire network on UPS
2017-03-08T12:34:40 < jadew> is there a protocol for that? because I just cut the ethernet cable and the DC adapter and... you get the picture
2017-03-08T12:35:04 < jadew> I just use one of the unused pairs for that
2017-03-08T12:35:10 < zyp> network topology at new apartment doesn't lend itself as well to it though
2017-03-08T12:35:31 < zyp> old apartment had fiber coming into the apartment in my storage room where I also kept my server
2017-03-08T12:35:43 < zyp> new apartment got it coming into the living room by the tv
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2017-03-08T12:36:00 < dongs> lol by the tv
2017-03-08T12:37:25 < zyp> well, yeah, they push tv channels over it too, so that means they don't have to run cables in the walls between the ONT and the STB
2017-03-08T12:37:56 < jadew> we get separate wires
2017-03-08T12:39:15 < zyp> for internet and tv channels? why?
2017-03-08T12:39:31 < jadew> don't know
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2017-03-08T12:39:53 < jadew> they probably do the same thing in the box they have outside
2017-03-08T12:40:08 < jadew> maybe the data-only routers are cheaper?
2017-03-08T12:40:33 < zyp> what, you don't get iptv?
2017-03-08T12:40:38 < jadew> this way they just have to take the TV signal out of the fiber once, and then split it to all the customers on the same floor or on a couple of floors?
2017-03-08T12:40:50 < jadew> what's iptv?
2017-03-08T12:40:52 < zyp> tv here is just iptv via multicast on a separate vlan
2017-03-08T12:41:13 < jadew> no, we get regular tv
2017-03-08T12:41:19 < jadew> I don't know
2017-03-08T12:41:20 < zyp> idk what protocols in particular, probably transport stream over udp or some shit
2017-03-08T12:41:45 < zyp> I think they fit in some encryption too, I haven't looked
2017-03-08T12:41:53 < zyp> I don't bother paying for tv, I don't watch tv
2017-03-08T12:42:07 < jadew> it's included here
2017-03-08T12:42:17 < jadew> we do pay for HBO tho, but we can't receive it lol
2017-03-08T12:42:21 < zyp> heh
2017-03-08T12:42:48 < jadew> they gave us a box that makes everything look like 90's analog TV
2017-03-08T12:42:55 < jadew> so we just don't use it
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2017-03-08T12:59:19 < jadew> http://www.rigol.eu/products/dc-power-supplies/dp700/dp711/
2017-03-08T12:59:48 < jadew> kind of expensive tho
2017-03-08T12:59:56 < jadew> but looks better than my korad
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2017-03-08T13:03:00 < karlp> didn't dongs just buy a riglol power supply?
2017-03-08T13:03:02 < zyp> I like the cheap thing I bought
2017-03-08T13:03:15 < zyp> tenma 72-10480
2017-03-08T13:03:33 < jadew> zyp, I have the same one, that's a rebranded Korad
2017-03-08T13:03:56 < zyp> yeah? what's wrong with it?
2017-03-08T13:04:01 < jadew> karlp, I think dongs has DP832 for quite some time
2017-03-08T13:04:08 < jadew> zyp, nothing in particular
2017-03-08T13:04:16 < jadew> it has a 50 MHz tone tho
2017-03-08T13:04:24 < karlp> 50 _M_hz?
2017-03-08T13:04:32 < karlp> what are you doing that that's visible in your power supply?
2017-03-08T13:05:14 < jadew> it leaks into my measurements, other than that it's not bothering me that much
2017-03-08T13:05:43 < jadew> at least now I know about it so I can use a different supply if I don't want it there
2017-03-08T13:06:21 < jadew> zyp, also, it has a dangerous feature
2017-03-08T13:06:32 < jadew> not sure you know about it, but maybe you've read the manual
2017-03-08T13:06:51 < jadew> have you noticed how it has 4 memory buttons and 5 memory LEDs?
2017-03-08T13:07:23 < jadew> if you hit on memory 4 and you turn the knob, while the power is off, it switches to M5
2017-03-08T13:07:33 < jadew> which is by default set to 30 V, 3 A :D
2017-03-08T13:07:37 < emeryth> what
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2017-03-08T13:09:42 < jadew> I found out about it while playing with a light bulb luckily
2017-03-08T13:10:07 < jadew> I turned it off, then on again and couldn't figure out wth happened
2017-03-08T13:12:33 < zyp> jadew, I know
2017-03-08T13:14:41 < PeterM> tghat korad psu had lots of issues when it came out
2017-03-08T13:15:41 < jadew> I use it all the time and I don't have much to complain about it
2017-03-08T13:15:49 < jadew> it's worth the money
2017-03-08T13:16:18 < zyp> yeah, I'm happy with mine too
2017-03-08T13:18:00 < PeterM> yeah, they ended up fixing it 
2017-03-08T13:18:03 < PeterM> it took a few revs
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2017-03-08T13:22:14 < c10ud^> so, this murata st+lora thing looks sweet
2017-03-08T13:24:08 < PeterM> i kinda wish there was a whole bunch of simple, cheap,quality, opensource electronics lab equiptment - im sure there is bits and peices and half finished projects all scattered throughout the internet 
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2017-03-08T13:26:28 < jadew> PeterM, there are plenty, but they're not a community effort
2017-03-08T13:27:54 < PeterM> i dont care about community effort, that wasnt a requirement
2017-03-08T13:28:09 < PeterM> and as i said, i msure there are bits and peices of half finished projects
2017-03-08T13:28:37 < jadew> well, if they're not a community project, what are the odds that someone is going to spend his time to fix issues someone else is having?
2017-03-08T13:28:40 < jadew> slim
2017-03-08T13:29:46 < jadew> I don't think hardware projects work very well as opensource
2017-03-08T13:30:23 < jadew> on one hand you have that, the solo guy who has to maintain it for everyone and if he tries to sell it, he gets cloned into oblivion
2017-03-08T13:30:31 < PeterM> none, but i dont care about that, because i can assess if the project is quality my self and see if i wish to use it, or if its worth spending my time on
2017-03-08T13:30:55 < jadew> on the other hand you have the ones where the community does the hard work and the guy with the project is selling the boards making money off of the community
2017-03-08T13:31:34 < jadew> I know what you're saying, what test equipment do you need tho?
2017-03-08T13:32:14 < PeterM> at the moment, none, but i hate having to give reccommendations to people that have "but....." on the end of it
2017-03-08T13:32:36 < PeterM> you follow?
2017-03-08T13:32:58 < jadew> so tell them to DIY
2017-03-08T13:33:15 < PeterM> if they dont have tools, how do they diy?
2017-03-08T13:33:44 < jadew> well, you kinda have to buy a meter and a scope, no?
2017-03-08T13:33:55 < jadew> it's not really worth to build that
2017-03-08T13:34:40 < PeterM> acutually, i was thinking about it a while back, a decent 6.5didgit bench dmm would be pretty straightforward to build
2017-03-08T13:35:15 < jadew> yeah, but useless without calibration
2017-03-08T13:35:20 < PeterM> nope
2017-03-08T13:35:48 < PeterM> 6.5 digit is on the border of self calibrateable for low cost
2017-03-08T13:36:13 < jadew> well, if you're going to calibrate it after the $5 handheld DMM, those digits are not going to tell you much
2017-03-08T13:36:32 < jadew> ah, you mean with a known reference?
2017-03-08T13:36:34 < PeterM> with a handful of decent parts (resistor, and votlage refrence) you can self calibrate the rest of hte dmm and its ranges
2017-03-08T13:36:37 < PeterM> yes
2017-03-08T13:37:03 < jadew> pretty sure that's gonna get expensive fast
2017-03-08T13:37:43 < PeterM> you build the 6.5digit dmm wiht a good refrence resistor and voltage refrence, and a decent adc, then you use your voltage and resistor to calibratre your other ranges
2017-03-08T13:38:17 < PeterM> i think you could do the full 6.5 digit for >160usd
2017-03-08T13:39:09 < PeterM> thats 6.5 digit, with decent ranges, and proper cat ratings  etc (not certified but would pass certification if tested)
2017-03-08T13:39:52 < jadew> don't know... how big would the board be?
2017-03-08T13:40:13 < jadew> you go above 100 x 100mm and you have to respin it a few times...
2017-03-08T13:40:20 < PeterM> so start with $5 soldering iron, spend $400 usd, get 3 channel 30v 3a psu, sig gen, 6.5digit dmm, quality hakko 951/jbc equiv soldeirng iron
2017-03-08T13:40:41 < PeterM> hahahahaha
2017-03-08T13:41:05 < Laurenceb> https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/07/airbus-reveals-a-modular-self-piloting-flying-car-concept/
2017-03-08T13:41:10 < Laurenceb> stupid quadcopter shit
2017-03-08T13:41:13 < Laurenceb> whyyyyy
2017-03-08T13:41:13 < PeterM> if a single board costs $100 and you respin 10 times, thats only $1000
2017-03-08T13:41:16 < jadew> don't know, 6.5 DMM sounds like a challenging project for a beginner
2017-03-08T13:42:02 < PeterM> the beginner doesnt have to do anythign aside from solder it,  or buy pre-assembled one
2017-03-08T13:42:21 < jadew> the simple fact that you need known references is going to be a hole in the pocket
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2017-03-08T13:43:24 < PeterM> if i said $400 go buy the things i listed, you'd have a hard time,  but $400 bom cost is pretty big
2017-03-08T13:44:20 < jadew> well, I'm sure you can make all of that with $400
2017-03-08T13:44:26 < PeterM> lm399 is only like $10 in 1 off
2017-03-08T13:44:46 < PeterM> ltz1000 is only $50 in 1 off and thats good enough for 7.5 digit or better
2017-03-08T13:45:02 < jadew> I have a couple of LM399 too
2017-03-08T13:45:43 < dongs> #stonertronicsDMM
2017-03-08T13:46:03 < jadew> my problem with it is that even if it has stability and all of that, you still need a calibrated reference to make use of all the digits
2017-03-08T13:46:25 < PeterM> i think opensource project is good idea, but dont release until it's "done" - quality work liek that can only be done under a dictatorship
2017-03-08T13:46:52 < jadew> PeterM, I wouldn't do it
2017-03-08T13:46:55 < jadew> I'd just sell it
2017-03-08T13:47:22 < PeterM> jadew then you get parts that have solid intrinsic values or coem with pre-calibrated values
2017-03-08T13:47:42 < PeterM> jadew theres nothign stoppign you from selling pre-assembled ones
2017-03-08T13:48:02 < jadew> wouldn't I sell more if it wasn't opensource?
2017-03-08T13:48:17 < PeterM> no, i dont htink so
2017-03-08T13:48:27 < PeterM> i mean, maybe marginally
2017-03-08T13:48:48 < PeterM> but if you can build it, someone can clone it
2017-03-08T13:48:58 < PeterM> so even if it isnt open source someone can just clone it
2017-03-08T13:50:09 < jadew> they clone it faster when it is :P
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2017-03-08T13:53:43 < dongs> ugh wat was teh altidumb menu to show stuff as draft/etc
2017-03-08T13:54:13 < Kerr-A> I'm having issues with my stm32...
2017-03-08T13:54:28 < Kerr-A> RCC->CR = RCC->CR
2017-03-08T13:54:28 < Kerr-A> 	| RCC_CR_PLLON
2017-03-08T13:54:41 < Kerr-A> So, If I put ... it just pasted directly to chat
2017-03-08T13:55:03 < dongs> o layers and colors shit
2017-03-08T13:55:03 < dongs> l
2017-03-08T13:55:13 < Kerr-A> If I put that at the beginning of main, it happily continues to the main loop
2017-03-08T13:55:29 < Kerr-A> if I put this: C2 = RCC->CR & RCC_CR_PLLON;
2017-03-08T13:55:35 < Kerr-A> it happily continues to main
2017-03-08T13:55:44 < Kerr-A> BUT, if I put BOTH then the chip hangs
2017-03-08T13:55:57 < dongs> why dont you fucking look at like
2017-03-08T13:55:58 < zyp> you don't make sense
2017-03-08T13:56:00 < dongs> system_stm32f103.c
2017-03-08T13:56:06 < dongs> that fucking turns on pll/sets freq
2017-03-08T13:56:10 < dongs> its liek literally 3 lines of rcc->fuckoff shits
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2017-03-08T13:58:28 < dongs> wow, nice ragequit
2017-03-08T14:07:18 < sync_> PeterM: yeah, I looked at it, but needing a 7.5 digit meter at least to calibrate it drove me away
2017-03-08T14:08:21 < dongs> how do you 'calibrate' it
2017-03-08T14:09:49 < sync_> comparing the performance of it to the performance of the 7.5 digit meter :P
2017-03-08T14:11:03 < Laurenceb> http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/722552/stream_img.jpg
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2017-03-08T14:12:43 < jadew> Laurenceb, that must be the biggest fear of every parent
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2017-03-08T14:13:03 < jadew> it's the one thing you have to convince your kid to _NEVER_ do
2017-03-08T14:13:11 < Laurenceb> erm read the test
2017-03-08T14:13:24 < jadew> what test?
2017-03-08T14:13:27 < dongs> the fuck is maxq30
2017-03-08T14:13:30 < Laurenceb> *text
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2017-03-08T14:14:20 < jadew> Laurenceb, I don't really understand what the text means
2017-03-08T14:15:03 < Laurenceb> she puts children in washing machines so they can enjoy the ride
2017-03-08T14:15:06 < jadew> I mean, I get that she thinks it's ok because he loves washing machines
2017-03-08T14:15:13 < Laurenceb> yeah lul
2017-03-08T14:15:33 < jadew> yeah, just saying that it's super stupid to make the kid think it's ok
2017-03-08T14:15:49 < jadew> it's the kind of thing you have to make him terrified of
2017-03-08T14:15:54 < sync_> crawling into confined spaces? pfft
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2017-03-08T14:16:38 < jadew> I used to know a kid when I was kid that died in a barrel
2017-03-08T14:17:02 < jadew> he was playing hide and seek and he and his cousin hid in there and close the lid
2017-03-08T14:17:05 < jadew> they both died
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2017-03-08T14:17:54 < emeryth> but at least they won
2017-03-08T14:18:09 < jadew> my last interaction with that kid, was the week before when he was begging me not to dissect a frog :(
2017-03-08T14:19:47 < Laurenceb> ok now I'm worried
2017-03-08T14:20:01 < Laurenceb> jadew confirmed as serial killer
2017-03-08T14:20:16 < jadew> heh, I was into biology
2017-03-08T14:20:39 < jadew> in fact, if my parent's wouldn't have stopped me, I would have become some sort of biologist
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2017-03-08T14:23:48 < aandrew> heh
2017-03-08T14:23:59 < aandrew> if you're not going to calibrate there's no point in a 6.5d dmm
2017-03-08T14:24:09 < aandrew> get a 2-3 digit, calibrate with a fresh 9V and be done
2017-03-08T14:24:18 < aandrew> a hobbyiest won't need cal anyway
2017-03-08T14:24:52 < sync_> I would disagree, but sure
2017-03-08T14:25:14 < aandrew> sync_: well, if you think about it, if you don't cal your DMM those low digits will be noise
2017-03-08T14:25:26 < zyp> calibration is only required if you need absolute precision
2017-03-08T14:25:42 < sync_> yes, which is why I calibrate aandrew
2017-03-08T14:25:43 < zyp> sometimes you might need the resolution even if you don't care about the offset
2017-03-08T14:26:05 < aandrew> zyp: I think the times that might be true aren't all that common
2017-03-08T14:27:35 < sync_> well, measuring power consumption is a pretty common app for high res
2017-03-08T14:28:13 < aandrew> yes
2017-03-08T14:28:38 < aandrew> I suppose differential analysis would be helpful (in which case resolution is more important than precision)
2017-03-08T14:29:08 < aandrew> all said though, a tool which you can sometimes trust vs a tool you can trust... I know which I'd prefer
2017-03-08T14:29:29 < dongs> but $100 vs $1000
2017-03-08T14:29:33 < dongs> and MAKE:R cred
2017-03-08T14:29:50 < aandrew> oh MAKE:R cred, why didn't you say so
2017-03-08T14:29:59 < aandrew> make it 12 digits then, and use nixie tubes
2017-03-08T14:30:17 < dongs> now ew're talking
2017-03-08T14:30:21 < dongs> firing up kickstarter.com
2017-03-08T14:30:35 < dongs> 12 digit nixue tube arduino-powered DMM
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2017-03-08T14:30:42 < dongs> $599 plox
2017-03-08T14:30:45 < dongs> delivery: 2019
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2017-03-08T14:31:04 < dongs> (jadew: this is how you dickstart, not useless shit nobody wants)
2017-03-08T14:31:07 < aandrew> but if you want the gold plated case with laser etched signatures of the team, $5999
2017-03-08T14:31:14 < aandrew> limit: 3
2017-03-08T14:31:34 < dongs> come visit our office (ticket and hotel are on you), $5999
2017-03-08T14:31:56 < jadew> dongs, I'm already taking notes
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2017-03-08T14:32:30 < dongs> excellent
2017-03-08T14:32:33 < fenugrec> you forgot the "developer kit" - 1199$ for one kit, and you have the priviledge of contributing to the project without getting anything back
2017-03-08T14:32:45 < dongs> ah yes
2017-03-08T14:32:51 < dongs> we open our SDK 3 months before everyone else
2017-03-08T14:32:57 < dongs> so you can actualyl contribute some working code for us
2017-03-08T14:33:01 < dongs> all for a low price of $999
2017-03-08T14:33:09 < aandrew> dude, this is so on
2017-03-08T14:33:18 < aandrew> we gotta throw an arduino in there though or it'll never fly
2017-03-08T14:33:26 < dongs> already in there
2017-03-08T14:33:30 < aandrew> oh perfect
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2017-03-08T14:33:36 < dongs> < dongs> 12 digit nixue tube arduino-powered DMM
2017-03-08T14:33:36 < aandrew> whew, was worried there for a second
2017-03-08T14:33:47 < fenugrec> need two 10-bit shields "combined" for that 20-bit ADC resolution amirite
2017-03-08T14:33:50 < dongs> it also includes ESP14/88
2017-03-08T14:33:58 < dongs> so you can connect it to the cloud
2017-03-08T14:34:03 < aandrew> we could include a BLE-enabled GPIB port
2017-03-08T14:34:04 < dongs> so you can measure while you measure
2017-03-08T14:34:23 < aandrew> (e.g. we draw the GPIB connector on the back to be cool, and allow BLE serial connections)
2017-03-08T14:34:24 < jadew> and it comes as a set of shields you can use on their own in various projects
2017-03-08T14:34:54 < aandrew> of course
2017-03-08T14:35:04 < aandrew> one of those shields has to be a precision RGB LED
2017-03-08T14:35:15 < zyp> now you're making
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2017-03-08T14:37:45 < dongs> whats a precision RGB led
2017-03-08T14:37:57 < sync_> it is very precise
2017-03-08T14:38:00 < sync_> and shiny
2017-03-08T14:38:01 < dongs> unless its driven by a WS2812, nobody will even care
2017-03-08T14:38:34 < aandrew> dude we're not that primitive
2017-03-08T14:38:38 < aandrew> WS2812 is so ancient
2017-03-08T14:38:43 < aandrew> we use only the newest WS2812*B*
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2017-03-08T14:42:09 < karlp> dongs: what's the rationale for the ESP14/88? why those numbers?
2017-03-08T14:43:54 < dongs> .google 1488
2017-03-08T14:44:05 < dongs> tl;dr: hitler
2017-03-08T14:45:19 < Laurenceb> top kek
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2017-03-08T15:17:57 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgjar.co/jar/VoDHYq9qN0yPE6582wqqtQ.gif
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2017-03-08T15:49:42 < Laurenceb> never saw this coming http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-39200319
2017-03-08T15:49:57 < Laurenceb> someone misaligned some weight data I think
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2017-03-08T16:15:37 < Steffanx> Couldnt care less about one of your fellow britaniers
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2017-03-08T16:17:25 < aandrew> suffolk? I think you mean stuffolk
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2017-03-08T16:19:43 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/images/funny/milk.png
2017-03-08T16:19:44 < KreAture_> lol'
2017-03-08T16:20:41 < Laurenceb> sure a shop
2017-03-08T16:20:47 < Laurenceb> a Tesco shop
2017-03-08T16:27:35 < Laurenceb> why does this exist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_MacDonald
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2017-03-08T16:39:56 < max123> zyp
2017-03-08T16:40:11 < max123> the spi buffer clearing using RXNE works like a charm
2017-03-08T16:40:24 < max123> thanks again for you thoughts!
2017-03-08T16:40:48 < zyp> np
2017-03-08T16:41:01 < max123> it is SO FAST now :)
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2017-03-08T16:47:49 < max123> AND: I can break out the SPI MISO pin on the board, jumper it to GND and use it as an external 45fps graphics card input for other devices which stream their image data via SPI
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2017-03-08T16:56:09 < Steffanx> We need some video to see what youre doing max123  :)
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2017-03-08T16:56:55 < dongs> graphics card input wat
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2017-03-08T17:04:06 < englishman> Kerr-A> Here are the relavent parts that I've written: http://pastebin.com/zt0DLyUd
2017-03-08T17:04:10 < englishman> what language is thatÉ
2017-03-08T17:04:16 < englishman> oh fukin french kb
2017-03-08T17:04:46 < dongs> lol
2017-03-08T17:04:53 < dongs> probably rust
2017-03-08T17:05:14 < englishman> he wasnt off to a great start with stm32 was he
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2017-03-08T17:05:52 < dongs> well at least he ragequit liek a pro
2017-03-08T17:09:00 < max123> Steffanx, here is a short video: https://vid.me/AyHD
2017-03-08T17:09:43 < dongs> oh that.
2017-03-08T17:09:54 < max123> that?
2017-03-08T17:10:27 < max123> u recognize it dongs?
2017-03-08T17:10:54 < dongs> ive done graphics on SPI displays, yes
2017-03-08T17:11:06 < dongs> > and use it as an external 45fps graphics card input for other devices which stream their image data via SPI
2017-03-08T17:11:12 < dongs> was mostly wondering what this was all about
2017-03-08T17:11:37 < max123> ah - well, I was searching for a cheap way to clean my framebuffers after transmitting them
2017-03-08T17:11:54 < dongs> 'clean'?
2017-03-08T17:12:13 < max123> the solution was to tie MISO to gnd and configure dma to use the same buffer to overwrite all data in it with 0x0000
2017-03-08T17:12:30 < max123> black background = clean = 0x00
2017-03-08T17:12:45 < max123> memset after transmit took too long
2017-03-08T17:12:47 < dongs> um
2017-03-08T17:12:56 < dongs> you know memory2peripheral dma
2017-03-08T17:13:00 < dongs> with non-incr memory
2017-03-08T17:13:01 < dongs> exists?
2017-03-08T17:13:12 < dongs> thats how I do memset on my screens and it works fine
2017-03-08T17:13:21 < dongs> just DMA 0x00 or 0xFF or wahtever 
2017-03-08T17:13:26 < dongs> (mine is setup so i can clear in any color
2017-03-08T17:13:28 < max123> yes, but the MISO solution is 'for free', time wise and doesn't create a burst on the bus
2017-03-08T17:13:48 < dongs> how can it be free, you're still doing a SPI transfer to clear the screen
2017-03-08T17:13:51 < max123> constant load = nice for audio stuff
2017-03-08T17:14:19 < max123> no, i'm not, just read the tied to gnd receive register
2017-03-08T17:14:30 < max123> and thus sync it with my outgoing stream to the disoplay
2017-03-08T17:14:44 < max123> so my erase pointer never overruns my read pointer
2017-03-08T17:14:53 < max123> synced by TXE / RXNE behaviour
2017-03-08T17:15:16 < max123> and as soon as I have transmitted my buffer, it is empty again for me
2017-03-08T17:15:24 < max123> to render new stuff on it
2017-03-08T17:15:59 < dongs> oh you're using to clear framebuffer, i was thinking the other way
2017-03-08T17:16:01 < dongs> clearing actual screen
2017-03-08T17:16:06 < dongs> k yeah that works, shrug
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2017-03-08T17:16:54 < max123> jep
2017-03-08T17:18:35 < dongs> its not like you ever read anything from the screen anyway
2017-03-08T17:18:40 < max123> the nice thing about this is that I can also use this MISO pin now to inject data from other sources into my picture
2017-03-08T17:18:48 < dongs> yeah, i see
2017-03-08T17:18:50 < max123> no, the screen is write only
2017-03-08T17:19:04 < dongs> well, some of htem have some super slow G-RAM readout mode
2017-03-08T17:19:08 < dongs> but yeah its fucking useless most of the time
2017-03-08T17:19:23 < max123> this one has as well, but not in serial mode
2017-03-08T17:19:40 < max123> i wish this one had a vsync pin also...
2017-03-08T17:21:19 < dongs> heh
2017-03-08T17:22:04 < max123> but anyway, as long as i do proper alpha blending, i can now paint onto an external source, which is really nice. makes some nice glitch art if I randomly connect the pin floating to any signals on the board
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2017-03-08T17:38:33 < Steffanx> Awh you deleted it max123 :(
2017-03-08T17:38:49 < dongs> it was lissajous(sp) curve spinning around on SPI LCD
2017-03-08T17:38:59 < Steffanx> But.
2017-03-08T17:42:30 < max123> nothing special Steffanx
2017-03-08T17:42:45 < Steffanx> Im not special. 
2017-03-08T17:42:57 < max123> :)
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2017-03-08T17:55:07 < karlp> hrm, what freebies should I look out for at embeded world next week.
2017-03-08T17:55:29 < karlp> infineon has this shit: https://infineoncommunity.com/makers-corner-embedded-world-2017?elq_mid=2667&elq_cid=468755&ic=&elqTrackId=7983a406b8354a1bbfc9c8b66713616c&elq=4801ad6dc28340268ee14df1731280e7&elqaid=2667&elqat=1&elqCampaignId=959 which doesn't look super interesting. though they spam me a lot
2017-03-08T17:56:23 < englishman> segger is there
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2017-03-08T17:56:26 < englishman> get some jdinks
2017-03-08T17:56:28 < englishman> or
2017-03-08T17:56:34 < englishman> bring your china clones 
2017-03-08T17:56:53 < englishman> and ask them to update them
2017-03-08T17:56:54 < englishman> or something
2017-03-08T17:57:07 < karlp> xmc1000 is cm0, with a math co-processor?
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2017-03-08T18:02:48 < Rob235> you are very special
2017-03-08T18:04:53 < karlp> max123: why u delete your vid so fast?!
2017-03-08T18:05:12 < zyp> he doesn't want us to see
2017-03-08T18:05:44 < Rob235> this guy I used to work with came to work in this buggy thing a couple years ago and I've been curious what it was.  finally figured out just now that its a polaris slingshot, cool looking vehicle
2017-03-08T18:08:38 < max123> karlp, i accidently pasted the delete link in my address bar
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2017-03-08T18:23:09 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2017/03/07/adding-an-external-antenna-to-the-raspberry-pi-zero-w/
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2017-03-08T19:07:27 < englishman> nice green 0ohm resistor there amirite
2017-03-08T19:08:03 < englishman> the make:r cred dmm said it was 0R
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2017-03-08T19:13:48 < qyx> whats xmc10000
2017-03-08T19:13:57 < qyx> something new apparently
2017-03-08T19:14:29 < qyx> secure bootloader, uhm
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2017-03-08T19:19:40 < karlp> http://gulfbusiness.com/softbank-plans-arm-stake-sell-secure-abu-dhabi-fund-backing/
2017-03-08T19:20:17 < EvaLuAtor> Hi. If I call __enable_irq(), will all the ISRs for which there's a pending interrupt run? I'd like to use such code: http://sprunge.us/GIWM
2017-03-08T19:20:37 < EvaLuAtor> I mean run immediately after __enable_irq()
2017-03-08T19:24:38 < Steffanx> I never know what i should think about things like that karlp 
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2017-03-08T19:38:30 < qyx> anyone did a ones-density bitstream demodulation on stm32?
2017-03-08T19:38:39 < qyx> (output from a delta-sigma mod)
2017-03-08T19:39:01 < qyx> I am assuming that it is something similar to those microphones on f4disco boards
2017-03-08T19:39:47 < max123> anyone having suggestions how to sync an i2s audio codec with the stm32f427 internal ADCs?
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2017-03-08T19:40:18 < max123> audio codec is clocked off MCO pin
2017-03-08T19:42:45 < englishman> EvaLuAtor: yes
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2017-03-08T20:21:52 < Rickta59> ls
2017-03-08T20:22:13 < Steffanx> .
2017-03-08T20:22:13 < Steffanx> ..
2017-03-08T20:22:29 < Rickta59> : ) thanks
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2017-03-08T20:56:18 < englishman> ReadError: trollmix is arrite
2017-03-08T20:56:53 < Steffanx> No trolling in ##stm32
2017-03-08T20:57:27 < englishman> agree
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2017-03-08T20:59:57 < ReadError> englishman: lol
2017-03-08T21:00:11 < BrainDamage> https://twitter.com/PettanPettan/status/839140221853655040
2017-03-08T21:01:04 < BrainDamage> ( fake, but good )
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2017-03-08T21:11:33 < englishman> call of doody 23: meme warfare
2017-03-08T21:18:55 < Steffanx> :P
2017-03-08T21:19:24 < Steffanx> Please tell me you made that up yourself englishman
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2017-03-08T21:49:11 < englishman> nice, fixed laptop charger
2017-03-08T21:49:23 < englishman> another $30 i dont have to waste
2017-03-08T21:56:20 < Simon--> caps?
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2017-03-08T22:08:25 < englishman> barrel jack
2017-03-08T22:08:40 < englishman> broke in half
2017-03-08T22:08:57 < englishman> soldering on new dicknplace motion controller is way more pro
2017-03-08T22:09:05 < englishman> still f407zet6
2017-03-08T22:09:35 < Steffanx>  we need videos.
2017-03-08T22:09:41 < Steffanx> vlogging.
2017-03-08T22:09:41 < englishman> 2 sided smt + pth
2017-03-08T22:10:26 < englishman> dp83848 phy
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2017-03-08T22:13:50 < englishman> i wont be dicknplacing til friday at least
2017-03-08T22:14:47 < Steffanx> Still enjoy foxconning?
2017-03-08T22:15:09 < englishman> its been aggravating
2017-03-08T22:15:21 < englishman> hopefully these upgrades + new paste makes it less so
2017-03-08T22:25:42 < ReadError> dongs https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4855
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2017-03-08T22:41:28 < englishman> Justin Trudeau honours women on International Women’s Day by releasing photo spread of himself
2017-03-08T22:43:17 < aandrew> hahaha
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2017-03-08T22:52:56 < karlp> better than our pm harping on about how he baked a fucking cake again
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2017-03-08T23:03:21 < englishman> what the lunix command for seeing usb connect/disconnect events
2017-03-08T23:04:30 < qyx> kernel log
2017-03-08T23:04:31 < qyx> dmesg
2017-03-08T23:04:47 < englishman> dmesg thats it, thanks
2017-03-08T23:04:56 < qyx> or tail -f /var/log/kern.log, depends
2017-03-08T23:07:18 < Thorn> dmesg even works in macos (but only shows failed enumeration)
2017-03-08T23:08:42 < karlp> journalctl -f as well.
2017-03-08T23:10:33 < englishman> what do i do when a usb device crashes on lunix and lsusb hangs
2017-03-08T23:11:39 < Thorn> why would you ever need HSE if you don't want clock stability for e.g. USB? any other advantages? it seems you can go up to max HCLK with only HSI+PLL
2017-03-08T23:13:34 < karlp> lsusb should timeout evenutally?
2017-03-08T23:13:47 < englishman> yeah it does
2017-03-08T23:13:52 < englishman> i think this device is wildly out of spec
2017-03-08T23:13:53 < karlp> fix your device then?
2017-03-08T23:13:56 < englishman> yea
2017-03-08T23:14:07 < karlp> what kernel are you on?
2017-03-08T23:14:17 < englishman> how do isee that
2017-03-08T23:14:19 < karlp> the last couple of years have had a lot of "stop trusting user devices so much"
2017-03-08T23:14:23 < karlp> uname -a
2017-03-08T23:14:37 < englishman> well im running the device's script as root becayse of that
2017-03-08T23:14:44 < karlp> so they don't crash out on bad descriptors anymore.
2017-03-08T23:14:54 < englishman> machine #1 Linux lunixbox 3.16.0-38-generic #52~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 8 09:43:57 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2017-03-08T23:15:03 < englishman> machine #2 Linux ubilinux 3.10.17-yocto-standard-r2 #7 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 26 09:57:06 UTC 2015 i686 GNU/Linux
2017-03-08T23:15:52 < karlp> right, so your kernel and usb tools will lock up more with bad devices.
2017-03-08T23:16:05 < karlp> shouldn't be the end of the world.
2017-03-08T23:16:20 < englishman> oh shit just saw 2A on the power supply
2017-03-08T23:16:22 < englishman> mmmhmmm
2017-03-08T23:16:23 < karlp> oops
2017-03-08T23:16:32 < karlp> is this the same board with your busted usb switches?
2017-03-08T23:16:35 < englishman> yea
2017-03-08T23:16:41 < englishman> powering device separately to test
2017-03-08T23:18:13 < englishman> wish there was a simpler way to measure peak current without hooking up a shunt and storage oscope etc
2017-03-08T23:19:11 < englishman> still weird that tps2552 is dying
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2017-03-08T23:45:12 < englishman> haha, so i put a diode instead of tps2552
2017-03-08T23:45:23 < englishman> the device has an electromechanical shutter
2017-03-08T23:45:37 < englishman> and i can see the diode's temp in teh flir rise like 3deg with every shutter actuation
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2017-03-09T00:01:51 < englishman> does lunix normally crash and reboot when disk is 100% full
2017-03-09T00:02:38 < karlp> no? though shit can start to behave badly.
2017-03-09T00:02:44 < karlp> unless you're running shit as root again :)
2017-03-09T00:02:48 < englishman> well yeah
2017-03-09T00:02:50 < englishman> :)
2017-03-09T00:02:59 < karlp> root gets to use the reserved for emergencies disk space.
2017-03-09T00:03:01 < englishman> intel edison is actually kind of cool
2017-03-09T00:03:05 < englishman> too bad its so much $
2017-03-09T00:03:25 < englishman> and limited periphs
2017-03-09T00:03:25 < karlp> yeah, well, when the pricing came out it was like, "oh, so, x86 sw, and yuou want HOW MUCH FUCKING MONEY?"
2017-03-09T00:03:35 < englishman> yeah
2017-03-09T00:03:42 < englishman> if compute module had wifi itd be neat
2017-03-09T00:03:48 < englishman> zeroW fills that gap kinda
2017-03-09T00:04:02 < karlp> it was fairly obvious they were going to carpet bomb universities with the edison to try and "keep mind share" or something
2017-03-09T00:04:04 < englishman> but its limit 1 per customer
2017-03-09T00:04:18 < karlp> yeah, cheap wifi is still router boards.
2017-03-09T00:04:21 < karlp> but not enough compute on them.
2017-03-09T00:04:37 < englishman> well ragepberripi has that critical mass that allows for good support
2017-03-09T00:04:40 < karlp> usb/sdio wifi modules added on are still the most common aren't they?
2017-03-09T00:05:02 < englishman> hmm, what are you referring to?
2017-03-09T00:05:17 < karlp> putting wifi on SoMs
2017-03-09T00:05:31 < englishman> ah, probably yes
2017-03-09T00:05:42 < karlp> if you want more processing power than the router platforms that is.
2017-03-09T00:05:47 < englishman> its just nice to have something more integrated
2017-03-09T00:06:04 < englishman> its not as much of a pain as it used to be to get wifi dongles working on lunix
2017-03-09T00:06:12 < englishman> but built-in guarantees support
2017-03-09T00:06:24 < karlp> heh, no it doesn't
2017-03-09T00:06:44 < karlp> trollmix is well named.
2017-03-09T00:06:47 < karlp> the fuck is this shit.
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2017-03-09T00:08:45 < englishman> aidsfruit is "out of stock" of simple zeroW but has stock of the overpriced kits
2017-03-09T00:08:52 < englishman> genius
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2017-03-09T00:11:04 < Lux> like all the wifi stuff on som modules is sdio
2017-03-09T00:11:46 < Lux> but support is kinda ok, with some fuckups
2017-03-09T00:12:23 < Lux> like the mainline kernel driver being worse than some obsolete kernel based supported stuff
2017-03-09T00:12:30 < Lux> brcmfmac is an example for that
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2017-03-09T00:21:45 < karlp> Lux: are there still many brcmfmac devices being put on newer soms though?
2017-03-09T00:22:32 < Laurenceb_> fuck this I'm going MGTOW
2017-03-09T00:23:35 < karlp> !acro MGTOW
2017-03-09T00:23:48 < Lux> karlp: probably
2017-03-09T00:24:09 < Lux> raspberry pi should be brcmfmac too
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2017-03-09T00:26:28 < karlp> raspi's hardly a good example of current practice :)
2017-03-09T00:26:32 < Lux> also from what i see it's the latest broadcom driver
2017-03-09T00:26:54 < Lux> i never said it's good :)
2017-03-09T00:27:03 < Lux> just being used
2017-03-09T00:27:05 < Laurenceb_> Rpi is not a good example of anything
2017-03-09T00:27:14 < Laurenceb_> apart from perhaps CSI camera 
2017-03-09T00:27:30 < Lux> how is that good ?
2017-03-09T00:27:41 < karlp> yeah, they're like the only people using CSI, right? most other people just stick a usb cam on and u se UVC or something?
2017-03-09T00:28:02 < Lux> but the interface is still kinda shit
2017-03-09T00:28:07 < Lux> too much closed soreness
2017-03-09T00:28:12 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-03-09T00:28:35 < Laurenceb_> but its much nicer than usb for running cameras and they have a cheap lightweight solution that sort of works
2017-03-09T00:28:47 < Laurenceb_> I'd like to see wifiboradcast with the zero w
2017-03-09T00:29:14 < zyp> edison is also brcmfmac, but hardly new
2017-03-09T00:29:27 < Lux> it'd be nice if they'd open up the isp path so you can actually use other camera modules
2017-03-09T00:29:29 < karlp> they don't use their own wireless on edison?!
2017-03-09T00:29:44 < karlp> Laurenceb_: what makes it so much better than usb?
2017-03-09T00:29:59 < karlp> you've got to have a _lot_ more kernel sw working well to make it perform well surely?
2017-03-09T00:30:00 < Laurenceb_> lower power and lower lag (in theory)
2017-03-09T00:30:06 < karlp> lower power how?
2017-03-09T00:30:07 < Lux> it's just retarded how all the companies get super buthurt about camera ip stuff
2017-03-09T00:30:22 < Lux> claiming it's super secret and every company is doing the same shit
2017-03-09T00:30:32 < Laurenceb_> less complex encode/decode
2017-03-09T00:31:03 < Lux> and you have like zero overhead via csi
2017-03-09T00:31:10 < Laurenceb_> there is a reason phones dont use embedded usb for cameras
2017-03-09T00:31:21 < Lux> you basically end up with your images in ram with close to 0 cpu load
2017-03-09T00:31:33 < Lux> usb sucks bad in that regard
2017-03-09T00:31:48 < Laurenceb_> yeah the hardware decode can dma straight to ram
2017-03-09T00:31:51 < Lux> unless you have a usb webcam with integrated h264 encoders and stuff
2017-03-09T00:32:24 < Laurenceb_> oh yeah and the h.264 encode is pretty cool too
2017-03-09T00:32:28 < Lux> i worked with that gc6500 stuff the last half year
2017-03-09T00:32:30 < Laurenceb_> but its payware
2017-03-09T00:32:37 < Lux> that's pretty nice
2017-03-09T00:32:52 < Laurenceb_> if they had open gpu rpi would actually be epic
2017-03-09T00:33:01 < Laurenceb_> but its only possible with undocumented hacks
2017-03-09T00:33:32 < Lux> isn't the gpu allready open ?
2017-03-09T00:33:40 < Laurenceb_> semi aiui
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2017-03-09T00:33:53 < zyp> not the firmware, just the API shim, IIRC
2017-03-09T00:33:59 < Laurenceb_> tbh I haven't been keeping up with gpu dev efforts
2017-03-09T00:34:36 < Lux> the isp and media decode/encode stuff is the only thing missing iirc
2017-03-09T00:34:52 < Lux> regarding documentation of registermaps etc
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2017-03-09T00:39:43 < karlp> ok, so "CSI is the best, as long as you have proper kernel support for the CSI peripheral on your barely documented device"
2017-03-09T00:39:58 < karlp> everybody else uses USB because, "just works, even if not as optimal"
2017-03-09T00:41:05 < zyp> idk about camera stuff, but when I worked with phone stuff it seemed that HSIC were beating MIPI HSI pretty well
2017-03-09T00:41:17 < zyp> and HSIC is just HS USB with a cheaper phy-layer for internal use
2017-03-09T00:44:23 < karlp> yeah, HSIC is cool.
2017-03-09T00:44:45 < karlp> "usb works everywhere, and makes sw easy, so let's just drop the physical stuff to make it cheaper/lower power for onboard"
2017-03-09T00:44:54 < zyp> yeah
2017-03-09T00:46:16 < zyp> standard HS USB is some fancy current loop stuff with embedded clock, IIRC HSIC is just standard digital signalling with a separate clock line
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2017-03-09T00:52:25 < karlp> yeah, drops all the analog 
2017-03-09T00:52:45 < karlp> also, wow. i2c timing on the v2 periph is crazzzzy complicated
2017-03-09T01:04:19 < upgrdman__> with a ribbon cable, is pin 1 on the side with the tab?
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2017-03-09T02:12:37 < Thorn> >USART1 and USART2 also provide ... SPI-like communication capability
2017-03-09T02:12:38 < Thorn> why
2017-03-09T02:17:53 < kakimir> because you fuck up the design and need a rescue
2017-03-09T02:20:02 < englishman> sure they do
2017-03-09T02:20:20 < englishman> if you frame them right its just slow spi
2017-03-09T02:23:57 < stm32> welcome to tey langh
2017-03-09T02:27:11 < stm32> Laurenceb_: did you hear about the tendies overdose
2017-03-09T02:35:28 < stm32> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ovkBX4s0/laurence.jpg
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2017-03-09T02:46:09 < englishman> At the end of the each process you will be asked to reboot
2017-03-09T02:46:09 < englishman> your computer. This is not necessary.
2017-03-09T02:49:07 < stm32> ah
2017-03-09T02:55:07 < Laurenceb_> lel stm32
2017-03-09T02:55:12 < Laurenceb_> what a day
2017-03-09T02:55:17 < Laurenceb_> I hate grrls now
2017-03-09T02:55:18 < stm32> it is a good day
2017-03-09T02:55:24 < stm32> better than yesterday
2017-03-09T02:55:28 < stm32> i was sick
2017-03-09T02:55:47 < stm32> still feel like crap but hey, at least i can do things
2017-03-09T02:55:48 < Laurenceb_> had to work with my now colleague
2017-03-09T02:55:51 < Laurenceb_> *new
2017-03-09T02:55:56 < stm32> okay
2017-03-09T02:56:00 < Laurenceb_> 18yr faceberg grrrl
2017-03-09T02:56:01 < stm32> so what happened?
2017-03-09T02:56:15 < stm32> sounds like the usual type right
2017-03-09T02:56:21 < Laurenceb_> she is annoying, anorexic and smells of cheese
2017-03-09T02:56:34 < stm32> no overdose of perfume ?
2017-03-09T02:56:39 < Laurenceb_> had to tell her to dress appropriately
2017-03-09T02:56:50 < Laurenceb_> I'll have to do skirt length checks next
2017-03-09T02:56:59 < stm32> you know those ones you walk past and get this waft of a whole bottle of britney spears slutspray
2017-03-09T02:57:02 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-03-09T02:57:23 < stm32> i think they must have really bad vaginal odour or something
2017-03-09T02:57:30 < Laurenceb_> anyway I'm on train back home, see grrl in front of me who seems to have down syndrome or something
2017-03-09T02:57:37 < Laurenceb_> on tinder 
2017-03-09T02:57:41 < Laurenceb_> shits nasty man
2017-03-09T02:57:41 < stm32> isnt that the average brit?
2017-03-09T02:57:44 < Laurenceb_> lulyes
2017-03-09T02:58:44 < stm32> give her a bit of stm32
2017-03-09T03:00:08 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/09R6Jlx.jpg
2017-03-09T03:01:35  * Laurenceb_ zzz
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2017-03-09T03:03:14 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-angled-straight-self-cross-locking-soldering-tweezers-watch-tweezer-tool/301365150673 would these be ergonomic
2017-03-09T03:03:35 < kakimir> my hand gets like cramps when I use a lot of tweezers
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2017-03-09T03:11:49 < stm32> hi kakimir 
2017-03-09T03:12:17 < stm32> sometimes you make a gamble
2017-03-09T03:12:32 < stm32> unless you can visit a store and finger them yourself
2017-03-09T03:15:27 < kakimir> what are you fingering today stm32 ?
2017-03-09T03:16:04 < stm32> paperwork
2017-03-09T03:16:12 < stm32> until business partner returns
2017-03-09T03:18:02 < stm32> i learned by witnessing other people's mistakes
2017-03-09T03:22:12 < kakimir> what you finger in the store?
2017-03-09T03:22:17 < stm32> no
2017-03-09T03:22:21 < stm32> the capacitor mate
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2017-03-09T03:28:51 < stm32> accountability
2017-03-09T03:28:56 < stm32> that's the word for today
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2017-03-09T05:02:59 < corecode> this power down mode is hit and miss
2017-03-09T05:13:03 < scrts> dongs-> you here?
2017-03-09T05:13:20 < scrts> seems like altium smart grid insert sux
2017-03-09T05:14:12 < scrts> if I try to insert pin name MII[0]_TX_CLK\REF_CLK\TXC from excel it messes up on 2nd backslash
2017-03-09T05:21:31 < scrts> ah no... issues with excel
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2017-03-09T05:39:03 < dongs> yo
2017-03-09T05:39:25 < dongs> no, i dont think it cares about pin names
2017-03-09T05:39:35 < dongs> are you using that option where single \ negates until the next one?
2017-03-09T05:51:17 < scrts> it was an issue with excel where it did not show \n
2017-03-09T05:51:43 < scrts> exported to CSV, then fixed with notepad++, then imported back
2017-03-09T05:51:53 < scrts> seems OK
2017-03-09T05:52:05 < scrts> f..in 160pins
2017-03-09T05:52:20 < scrts> will have to use some sort of shitzard to make the bga package
2017-03-09T05:56:50 < upgrdman> on this pcb, it looks like the SMD cap have an ellipse courtyard and the SMD resistors have a rectangle courtyard. why? just to make it obvious if R or C? https://youtu.be/YC6JCVHk80c?t=101
2017-03-09T05:59:53 < englishman> so you can tell the difference easily
2017-03-09T05:59:56 < englishman> yea
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2017-03-09T06:07:58 < dongs> upgrdman: yes mine do same
2017-03-09T06:08:03 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-09T06:08:15 < dongs> also god damn
2017-03-09T06:08:18 < dongs> was quick on ctrl+w
2017-03-09T06:08:23 < dongs> as soon as saw eevbeg in title
2017-03-09T06:08:42 < upgrdman> dongs, just for easy debug? or to help fab house (you)?
2017-03-09T06:09:08 < dongs> https://camo.githubusercontent.com/1a50640f347470c5ed572ae5be2a14d4d619b3f5/68747470733a2f2f6c68362e676f6f676c6575736572636f6e74656e742e636f6d2f2d596e3634746a4f5737566f2f552d6a47345147305a47492f41414141414141414b4d382f3263795a4c5050673363552f73313630302f5061636b6167652e706e67
2017-03-09T06:09:17 < dongs> some people mark them like this, inside footprint
2017-03-09T06:09:21 < dongs> upgrdman: just so it looks nicer
2017-03-09T06:09:36 < dongs> and if youre manually assembling, can see wahts R and whats C
2017-03-09T06:09:40 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-09T06:22:32 < Kerr-A> Well dongs, finally figured it out... needed to set ppre1 and flash wait states to set the clock to 72mhz
2017-03-09T06:23:48 < Kerr-A> by increasing ppre1 and ppre2 to /4 and /2 It runs rine at 128mhz :p
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2017-03-09T06:55:39 < upgrdman> for r2com when he stops by   https://www.reddit.com/r/ANormalDayInRussia/comments/5ybefr/when_babushka_goes_to_buy_a_shirt_but_doesnt_know/
2017-03-09T07:06:40 < dongs> Kerr-A: i've ran F103CB at 144mhz ok
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2017-03-09T07:11:02 < Kerr-A> dongs: Cool. my HSE is 8mhz, so thats the highest I can go. Hopefully further programming wont be so... difficult lol.
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2017-03-09T07:20:06 < englishman> Kerr-A: what language are you using
2017-03-09T07:20:07 < englishman> and why
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2017-03-09T07:36:18 < upgrdman> R2COM, 
2017-03-09T07:36:20 < upgrdman> for r2com when he stops by   https://www.reddit.com/r/ANormalDayInRussia/comments/5ybefr/when_babushka_goes_to_buy_a_shirt_but_doesnt_know/
2017-03-09T07:36:50 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-03-09T07:36:58 < dongs> just routed a retarduino 2560 board for $1400
2017-03-09T07:37:00 < dongs> i think i did ok y/n/m
2017-03-09T07:37:16 < dongs> only like 20 pins used
2017-03-09T07:37:21 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-09T07:41:15 < englishman> freecancer?
2017-03-09T07:48:51 < Kerr-A> englishman: C... Because... C?
2017-03-09T07:49:10 < englishman> there was something else, but maybe it was another chatter
2017-03-09T07:49:20 < englishman> a guy with clock problems
2017-03-09T07:49:27 < Kerr-A> I saw you ask in logs, before dong talked about my rage
2017-03-09T07:49:46 < Kerr-A> that was snippets of c
2017-03-09T07:51:16 < Kerr-A> oh it was probably the "in main:" that threw you, that was me saying that was in main lol
2017-03-09T07:51:30 < Kerr-A> I should have used a comment or posted the whole thing lol
2017-03-09T07:52:54 < upgrdman> heh
2017-03-09T07:53:14 < Kerr-A> If utorrent is any indication
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2017-03-09T07:55:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, do you do this in arma   https://imgur.com/aT3rOVe
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2017-03-09T08:03:23 < upgrdman> found R2COM   https://youtu.be/OmuUnrDjcpg?t=261
2017-03-09T08:05:27 < Kerr-A> I do that in world of tanks lol
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2017-03-09T08:13:04 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-03-09T08:21:19 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/maddoxrules/status/839632229869441027
2017-03-09T08:21:26 < ohsix> how did i get attached to irc
2017-03-09T08:21:36 < ohsix> ahh
2017-03-09T08:22:26 < ReadError> that shit was all garbage
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2017-03-09T08:38:47 < ohsix> yea it was
2017-03-09T08:39:12 < ohsix> but in case you haven't figured out who assange is working for
2017-03-09T08:40:21 < ReadError> ?
2017-03-09T08:40:44 < englishman> assange got mirc'd like 6 months ago bro
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2017-03-09T08:41:03 < englishman> his low quality hatsune miku replacement isnt fooling anybody
2017-03-09T08:46:36 < ReadError> ohsix: what gives u reason to believe that
2017-03-09T08:53:33 < ohsix> finish this sentence: Love it or Hate it, PUSSY is a 100% British, 100% Natural, and 100% outrageous __________
2017-03-09T08:54:14 < ReadError> excuse me?
2017-03-09T09:05:29 < ohsix> i got some monies for making an esp8266 send email
2017-03-09T09:05:35 < ohsix> and the guy was super excited too
2017-03-09T09:07:13 < ohsix> sweeet google added an 'unimportant storage' button to the manage space shit on android
2017-03-09T09:07:18 < ohsix> twitter needs to do that
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2017-03-09T09:09:29 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/r/China/FQwie91
2017-03-09T09:09:31 < ohsix> phone got warm cleaning shti up
2017-03-09T09:10:10 < ohsix> raciss
2017-03-09T09:11:01 < ohsix> hm heh, that was a reference to a confederacy of dunces, not to how people seem to use the term
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2017-03-09T09:12:47 < ohsix> anything interesting happen the last few days
2017-03-09T09:13:01 < ohsix> been trying to finish american psycho before return date
2017-03-09T09:13:12 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol. you rented a movie?
2017-03-09T09:13:28 < ohsix> the book
2017-03-09T09:13:39 < ohsix> i've got to return some videotapes
2017-03-09T09:13:53 < ohsix> is one of the lines in the book
2017-03-09T09:13:58 < ohsix> it's a bit of a mindfuck
2017-03-09T09:14:12 < ohsix> drowns you in inane shit from batemans stream of conciousness
2017-03-09T09:14:20 < ohsix> then there are flashes of ultraviolence
2017-03-09T09:14:32 < ohsix> i'm about 50% through where stuff starts to unravel
2017-03-09T09:15:20 < ohsix> got nineteen eighty-four too :[
2017-03-09T09:15:58 < ohsix> i dunno if i read slow (don't think i do) or wat, shit takes an age
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2017-03-09T09:33:59 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz4xGJQExGg this needs to be synch'd with https://youtu.be/hsqwby0QeiE?t=16
2017-03-09T09:35:51 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0dbimn-x64 oh, been done
2017-03-09T09:35:51 < englishman> initial p
2017-03-09T09:36:23 < dongs> ok time to drive outa here
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2017-03-09T09:50:12 < dekar_> upgrdman, gender roles are really a bit strange in China. There's a lot of sexism, but then again the lack of women here allows them to be extremely picky. They tend to take full control over the finances and give their husbands monthly allowances. One of my Chinese colleagues told me his monthly allowance is 400RMB, while his wife can spend 900RMB on herself every month.
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2017-03-09T09:51:53 < dekar_> I think in the western world financial domination is considered a fetish...
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2017-03-09T09:53:03 < dekar_> dongs, how does it compare to Japan? I heard things were similar until people stopped dating altogether.
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2017-03-09T09:58:41 < ohsix> englishman: journalctl -f bruh
2017-03-09T09:59:01 < ohsix> fuck me i'm burned by the very next line at least 10 times a day. karlp said the same
2017-03-09T09:59:21 < zyp> ohsix, read more, write less
2017-03-09T09:59:54 < PeterM> im not sure what you mean zyp, he hasnt said a thing in the past few months
2017-03-09T10:00:23 < ohsix> karlp: pal is changing their shit to use edison/whatever intel garbage to try and get some money from them
2017-03-09T10:00:48 < ohsix> wonder when they'll abandon it, they kind of got to spend money in that segment to look like they give a shit, but the stuff sucks and costs too much
2017-03-09T10:01:03 < ohsix> like their marketing/business arm can't handle selling to that market cuz their shit is so distorted in the pc market
2017-03-09T10:03:17 < stm32> hahahahahahahaha
2017-03-09T10:03:18 < upgrdman> dekar_, ya i know, been to china
2017-03-09T10:03:32 < upgrdman> dekar_, but lol, 900rmb? shit, i'd blow that in a week
2017-03-09T10:03:36 < upgrdman> even in china
2017-03-09T10:03:52 < stm32> what happened to jpa
2017-03-09T10:04:59 < englishman> daddy duty
2017-03-09T10:05:21 < stm32> no time for mad chatz
2017-03-09T10:05:31 < dekar_> upgrdman, he's stuck in the gated community of a factory. No car and too far away from the city to spend much money.
2017-03-09T10:05:41 < ohsix> zyp: reading got me in trouble in the first place
2017-03-09T10:06:03 < upgrdman> dekar_, oh. that sucks.
2017-03-09T10:06:07 < ohsix> reminded me to fill out the eevblog survey!
2017-03-09T10:06:27 < dekar_> upgrdman, people don't seem to mind over here.
2017-03-09T10:06:58 < upgrdman> dekar_, at least in shanghai the women seemed to act normally (excpet for the old women with no class)
2017-03-09T10:07:50 < dekar_> upgrdman, they didn't make their boyfriends/husbands carry their pink purses?
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2017-03-09T10:08:12 < upgrdman> didnt look for that, but no, they seemed to be pretty reasonable
2017-03-09T10:08:24 < ohsix> if you want eevblog to stop doing $those shit videos you should do the thing too https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdY_6VjjTf1oTwTXuQXS2rEENzZE30F_AXYgsHdu9NpwMDd1g/viewform?pageId=103563209198255636490
2017-03-09T10:08:24 < upgrdman> then again, i was in the richer areas of shanghai
2017-03-09T10:08:25 < upgrdman> so
2017-03-09T10:08:36 < upgrdman> maybe the girls were nice to their sugar daddies
2017-03-09T10:11:30 < upgrdman> dekar_, guessing youre in southern china?
2017-03-09T10:11:44 < upgrdman> i heard the south is kinda fucked up like that
2017-03-09T10:11:58 < ohsix> are you talking about bacchus women upgrdman 
2017-03-09T10:12:05 < upgrdman> wuts dat
2017-03-09T10:12:14 < upgrdman> ohsix, we were chatting re: this
2017-03-09T10:12:19 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/r/China/FQwie91
2017-03-09T10:12:38 < ohsix> Bacchus Ladies (Hangul: 박카스 할머니; RR: bagkaseu halmeoni) are elderly Korean prostitutes who solicit in parks and plazas in Seoul for sex in nearby motels. They traditionally made a living by selling bottles of the popular Bacchus energy drink in the parks where elderly men gather for chess games and chats with their friends. The women are in their 50s, 60s, and even their 80s.[1] The price for selling sex is about 20,000 to 30,000 won ($18-26), or eve
2017-03-09T10:12:48 < ohsix> upgrdman: ya saw
2017-03-09T10:13:10 < dekar_> upgrdman, Chengdu/Sichuan. So yeah, far off the coast. I regularly get asked for selfies from strangers and the like, just for being a foreigner.
2017-03-09T10:13:14 < ohsix> i'm sure it happens but 'many', dgaf unless there's something to support it
2017-03-09T10:13:22 < upgrdman> dekar_, ah
2017-03-09T10:13:25 < ohsix> people have their own kinks, might not even be a social order thing
2017-03-09T10:14:56 < upgrdman> dekar_, when i was in cn i used to watch some kids cartoon. cant find torrents of it. any idea where i can torrent or download the whole series? its dumb but funny. this tv show   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boonie_Bears#/media/File:BonnieBearschars.png
2017-03-09T10:15:22 < upgrdman> i started watching it cause being a kids show, you dont need to know the language to understand it. 
2017-03-09T10:15:26 < ohsix> only noobz use the wikipedia lightbox
2017-03-09T10:15:50 < ohsix> upgrdman: there are some on youtube
2017-03-09T10:15:54 < upgrdman> ya
2017-03-09T10:15:59 < upgrdman> but only like 6 or so episodes
2017-03-09T10:15:59 < ohsix> hm
2017-03-09T10:16:01 < upgrdman> there >100
2017-03-09T10:16:12 < ohsix> right
2017-03-09T10:16:36 < ohsix> more than 200
2017-03-09T10:17:10 < ohsix> there's a foreign warez scene but i don't know much about it, if it would have any chinese stuff
2017-03-09T10:17:46 < PeterM> http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_%E7%86%8A%E5%87%BA%E6%B2%A1?spm=a2hww.20023042.#qheader_search~10 ?
2017-03-09T10:18:23 < dekar_> upgrdman, not sure if it works outside CN: http://so.tv.sohu.com/mts?box=1&wd=%E7%86%8A%E5%87%BA%E6%B2%A1
2017-03-09T10:18:42 < dekar_> upgrdman, http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_%E7%86%8A%E5%87%BA%E6%B2%A1?f=1&kb=040200000000000__&spm=a2hww.20023042.#qheader_search~10
2017-03-09T10:18:43 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-09T10:19:02 < dekar_> upgrdman, I think using the SohuTV App you can also download the shows.
2017-03-09T10:19:23 < ohsix> proxies in china/vpnshits even for free aren't hard to come by, should you need one
2017-03-09T10:19:28 < upgrdman> thx
2017-03-09T10:19:32 < upgrdman> hmm both sites require flash
2017-03-09T10:19:56 < upgrdman> fuck, i dont think i even have flash anymore. time to fire up a vm
2017-03-09T10:20:20 < dekar_> I have Chrome installed for flash.
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2017-03-09T10:21:31 < dekar_> upgrdman, the youku link works with US VPN for me, the SohuTV one doesn't.
2017-03-09T10:21:43 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-09T10:23:06 < ohsix> heh
2017-03-09T10:23:14 < ohsix> i get some error screen and a countdown timer
2017-03-09T10:23:35 < ohsix> was excited for a split second to see some weird ass tv
2017-03-09T10:23:40 < dekar_> ohsix, that's your adblocker. They make you wait instead of the ad.
2017-03-09T10:23:55 < ohsix> oic
2017-03-09T10:24:03 < ohsix> the picture is a dude with a cut power cord
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2017-03-09T10:24:40 < dekar_> idk, should pass once the timer finishes.
2017-03-09T10:24:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, it's not that awesome of a show or anything. i've just come to miss it for some weird reason.
2017-03-09T10:24:56 < ohsix> why does everything out of china seem like propoganda
2017-03-09T10:25:05 < ohsix> dekar_: yea it started playing
2017-03-09T10:25:40 < ohsix> upgrdman: well, if i can see this without any special setup or vpn or whatever, there's bound to be tons more
2017-03-09T10:25:59 < upgrdman> ohsix, its funny. when i get back in the usa after being in china for a couple months, the american propaganda jumps out at me. kinda funny.
2017-03-09T10:26:09 < ReadError> 2017-3-09  02:57:16	CARBIDE	www.bing.com
2017-03-09T10:26:13 < ohsix> werd
2017-03-09T10:26:17 < ReadError> why the fuck is my desktop hitting BING
2017-03-09T10:26:22 < ohsix> upgrdman: it seems so gentle is all
2017-03-09T10:26:27 < stm32> coz you agreed to the EULA 
2017-03-09T10:26:43 < ohsix> i guess it is their own sensibilities just being in the content they create, it's too soothing
2017-03-09T10:27:04 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol. it's a show for kids. young kids
2017-03-09T10:27:12 < ReadError> 2017-3-09  02:57:16	CARBIDE	tile-service.weather.microsoft.com
2017-03-09T10:27:12 < ReadError> 2017-3-09  02:57:16	CARBIDE	cdn.content.prod.cms.msn.com
2017-03-09T10:27:12 < ReadError> 2017-3-09  02:51:02	CARBIDE	arc.msn.com
2017-03-09T10:27:15 < upgrdman> hence the nersery rhyme theme song
2017-03-09T10:27:26 < ohsix> sure
2017-03-09T10:27:33 < ReadError> 2017-3-09  03:12:16	CARBIDE	cdn.onenote.net
2017-03-09T10:27:41 < ohsix> i should have thought of something that wasn't a kids show to demonstrate what i ment before i mentioned it :p
2017-03-09T10:27:47 < ReadError> all kinds of MS trash
2017-03-09T10:28:02 < dekar_> ohsix, watching shows in CN was really convenient, you basically could stream anything for free. But they started censoring more and more, many shows were taken down completely.
2017-03-09T10:28:34 < upgrdman> dekar_, censoring what, the foreign shows?
2017-03-09T10:28:37 < dekar_> Like I noticed they took down Dexter and Hannibal.
2017-03-09T10:28:45 < dekar_> Yeah
2017-03-09T10:29:05 < ohsix> o
2017-03-09T10:29:08 < ohsix> f that shit anyways
2017-03-09T10:29:49 < ReadError> youku is the worst site
2017-03-09T10:30:23 < ohsix> no, youku
2017-03-09T10:32:24 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Fighting!
2017-03-09T10:32:55 < ohsix> shruggin
2017-03-09T10:33:45 < ohsix> https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTUzODUzNDM2MA==.html?spm=a2h1n.8261147.0.0 how about that
2017-03-09T10:33:53 < upgrdman> lol  https://i.imgur.com/XCs7V.jpg
2017-03-09T10:33:57 < ohsix> how will i remember to look at this when i have time for such things
2017-03-09T10:34:20 < ohsix> upgrdman: pee rows
2017-03-09T10:35:18 < ohsix> hm youku has a bunch of crap suggested and festooned all around, could probably click a bit
2017-03-09T10:35:49 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya the chinese seem to love sensory overload
2017-03-09T10:35:55 < upgrdman> fucking OSD all the things
2017-03-09T10:35:57 < upgrdman> etc
2017-03-09T10:36:42 < ohsix> haww google now voice shit got 'youku' right when i said it all asian-y
2017-03-09T10:37:18 < ohsix> upgrdman: dekar_: had no idea this stuff existed, thanks
2017-03-09T10:37:27 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2017-03-09T10:37:30 < ohsix> holy facking crap
2017-03-09T10:37:35 < ohsix> dig the text scrolling on that last link
2017-03-09T10:37:39 < ohsix> credits i guess
2017-03-09T10:37:50 < ohsix> it's a retarded amount of text
2017-03-09T10:39:21 < dekar_> ohsix, you mean the text scrolling sideways? That's comments. Mostly Chinese people saying "hahahahaha" in Chinese characters.
2017-03-09T10:39:48 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-09T10:39:48 < dekar_> You can turn them off, it's just popular in Asia to have flashy information overload.
2017-03-09T10:40:19 < ohsix> i like it
2017-03-09T10:40:43 < dekar_> "哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈" is literally "hahahahahahaha" - laughter
2017-03-09T10:40:44 < ohsix> nonsense frosting on a nonsense cake
2017-03-09T10:40:47 < ohsix> yea
2017-03-09T10:41:10 < ohsix> some of it was even in latin characters
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2017-03-09T10:45:15 < Steffanx> I cannot make a laughing face out of that symbol dekar_  :P
2017-03-09T10:45:44 < ohsix> do people actually want to read the comments or something
2017-03-09T10:45:52 < dekar_> Steffanx, 囧
2017-03-09T10:45:52 < Steffanx> Why chinese can make more sense
2017-03-09T10:46:01 < ohsix> i don't get having them on the video, hehe, it's str8 up spam, shit overlaps other stuff and it's on random lines and everything
2017-03-09T10:46:18 < Steffanx> Lol that is so racist, those eyes.
2017-03-09T10:46:26 < Steffanx> But yes :)
2017-03-09T10:47:35 < ohsix> the sound effects, lul
2017-03-09T10:47:58 < upgrdman> Steffanx, wants cn racism funnyness?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEwnMTaXTys
2017-03-09T10:48:03 < dekar_> Steffanx, 哈哈哈 isn't supposed to look like a face, they just used the character for its pronunciation.
2017-03-09T10:48:17 < ohsix> phoneticly
2017-03-09T10:48:33 < dekar_> That
2017-03-09T10:48:55 < upgrdman> side note, i think i had that same washing machine in my hotel room when i was in cn
2017-03-09T10:49:32 < ohsix> dekar_: is there a random play mode on youku?
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2017-03-09T10:49:43 < dekar_> Probably without the black guy, it's quite hard to find black people in China. I guess they've washed all of them.
2017-03-09T10:49:45 < ohsix> i'll just put it on at the lab lul
2017-03-09T10:50:10 < dekar_> ohsix, dunno
2017-03-09T10:50:16 < Steffanx> It probably makes sense dekar_ 
2017-03-09T10:50:17 < upgrdman> dekar_, ya. in the 6 months i've spent in shanghai, i saw exactly ONE black person, and it was a woman
2017-03-09T10:50:20 < ohsix> upgrdman: did you hear about the dude in south korea running against activex
2017-03-09T10:50:26 < ohsix> re: flash and china tv
2017-03-09T10:50:28 < upgrdman> ohsix, i havnt
2017-03-09T10:51:13 < ohsix> https://medium.com/@yunkee_lee/why-has-south-korea-been-stuck-with-activex-44c773dbf54 older story, not about the election or whatever
2017-03-09T10:51:49 < ohsix> dang
2017-03-09T10:51:57 < ohsix> haha most of it was supposed to be removed by 2017 already
2017-03-09T10:52:03 < ohsix> https://koreaexpose.com/moon-jae-in-will-abolish-activex/
2017-03-09T10:52:11 < ohsix> well that makes it somewhat less of a political statement
2017-03-09T10:54:34 < englishman> Steffanx: no stroops arrived today, and i really had a craving
2017-03-09T10:54:58 < ohsix> stroops?
2017-03-09T10:55:17 < upgrdman> poopwaffels
2017-03-09T10:55:45 < upgrdman> ohsix, stroopwafels 
2017-03-09T10:55:47 < upgrdman> see amazon
2017-03-09T10:55:49 < upgrdman> theyre good
2017-03-09T10:56:00 < ohsix> i had my fav thing for lunch :[ there's this sandwich at a place called planker, 2 eggs, ham, bacon, avacado, white cheddar
2017-03-09T10:56:16 < ohsix> upgrdman: oh, i've had those, nice
2017-03-09T10:56:29 < ohsix> recognize the box too huhu
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2017-03-09T10:56:45 < ohsix> somehow not the name tho
2017-03-09T10:56:52 < ohsix> i gotta get to my book
2017-03-09T10:56:57 < ohsix> i miss u irc
2017-03-09T10:56:59 < ohsix> bbl
2017-03-09T10:57:21 < englishman> i propose an stm32 cultural exchange
2017-03-09T10:57:27 < stm32> welcome Steffanx 
2017-03-09T10:58:30 < ohsix> oh shit http://www.northwestcrossing.com/2013/06/oregon-dutch-cookie-company/
2017-03-09T10:58:41 < ohsix> there's an actual dutch expat in town that makes these things
2017-03-09T10:59:07 < upgrdman> englishman, not a bad idea
2017-03-09T11:00:31 < Steffanx> Lo.
2017-03-09T11:04:18 < englishman> maple taffy uber alles
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2017-03-09T11:16:32 < englishman> who is willing to exchange maple butter for tyrkisk peber
2017-03-09T11:26:33 < Steffanx> The what?
2017-03-09T11:27:24 < Steffanx> Oh finnish.. jpa- ^^
2017-03-09T11:49:50 < ReadError> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kZhNyN4F/
2017-03-09T11:49:56 < ReadError> how have I not seen this before...
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2017-03-09T11:53:59 < jadew`> all this asian related news are hard to follow
2017-03-09T11:54:32 < jadew`> it's almost impossible to tell which words are part of their name and which ones are part of the sentence
2017-03-09T11:54:40 < jadew`> Moon Jae-in Agrees
2017-03-09T11:54:53 < jadew`> is that a full name?
2017-03-09T11:55:02 < jadew`> Moon, Jae-in agrees
2017-03-09T11:55:11 < jadew`> Monn Jae-in agrees.
2017-03-09T11:55:23 < jadew`> see? Impossible
2017-03-09T11:55:29 < karlp> englishman: I can send tyrkisks peber stuff if you're into that sort of thing
2017-03-09T11:55:46 < karlp> you got a particular preference?
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2017-03-09T12:08:53 < stm32> hi dads
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2017-03-09T12:22:53 < Thorn> does a 10K pulldown provide ESD protection?
2017-03-09T12:23:49 < jadew`> sure, in the sense that whatever it pulls down will be drained
2017-03-09T12:26:36 < sterna> it's not the best ESD protection, but if you cannot afford anything else, then go for it
2017-03-09T12:26:46 < sterna> or if you don't have anything else available
2017-03-09T12:27:00 < jadew`> it won'
2017-03-09T12:27:12 < jadew`> it won't protect the input from a discharge tho
2017-03-09T12:27:16 < jadew`> it will just protect it from build up
2017-03-09T12:27:28 < sterna> which is a form of ESD protection
2017-03-09T12:27:40 < Thorn> I'm going to have pulldowns on outputs (that go off board) to keep them from floating
2017-03-09T12:27:41 < sterna> and it will protect a little from discharge, just not as good
2017-03-09T12:27:50 < sterna> that's always good
2017-03-09T12:27:56 < sterna> otherwise you can put an ESD-protection diode on it
2017-03-09T12:27:58 < Thorn> should I also add esd diode arrays
2017-03-09T12:28:06 < sterna> they are available in any size
2017-03-09T12:28:11 < Thorn> the buffer chip is 2000V HBM rated
2017-03-09T12:28:59 < PeterM> 2000v HBM is basically "sufficient for assembly environment without static protections"
2017-03-09T12:29:11 < Thorn> (if that number even has anything to do with reality)
2017-03-09T12:29:35 < sterna> sure it does
2017-03-09T12:29:48 < sterna> that's how you measure ESD protection
2017-03-09T12:30:50 < PeterM> 8-15kv hbm is basically "safe for regular, direct or indirect contact"
2017-03-09T12:31:28 < jadew`> https://i.redd.it/10ciuotk9aky.gif
2017-03-09T12:33:09 < PeterM> but 8-15kv isn't what you should aim for, 8-15kv is minimums
2017-03-09T12:33:52 < sterna> I usually joke about that when they do EMC-tests, they take a cat in a fleece shirt and rub it against a ballon
2017-03-09T12:34:09 < sterna> then they throw the cat at the product to see if anything breaks
2017-03-09T12:37:36 < Thorn> I've heard that local chavs ESD test touchmemory sockets on intercoms etc. with piezo lighters
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2017-03-09T12:38:01 < Thorn> apparently there are complex protection circuits because of that
2017-03-09T12:38:21 < stm32> 风扇控制电路
2017-03-09T12:39:09 < PeterM> Thorn i've done that before
2017-03-09T12:39:51 < sterna> sure, everything that would provide a spark (high voltage)
2017-03-09T12:39:52 < PeterM> not to intercoms though
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2017-03-09T12:47:14 < Steffanx> stm32 you 屄
2017-03-09T12:47:58 < Steffanx> I like how that actually looks like it. Kinda.
2017-03-09T12:48:06 < Steffanx> Or is related
2017-03-09T12:48:39 < stm32> :3
2017-03-09T12:48:49 < stm32> whats new m8
2017-03-09T12:49:41 < Steffanx> Few cells in my body are new. 
2017-03-09T12:49:47 < Steffanx> There?
2017-03-09T12:50:00 < jadew`> https://i.imgur.com/DXL4FWn.gifv
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2017-03-09T12:52:08 < stm32> 热狗
2017-03-09T12:53:27 < stm32> 你想煮一些热狗吗？
2017-03-09T12:55:38 < Steffanx> Ni hao
2017-03-09T12:56:42 < stm32> http://media.rojaklah.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/14112015/ssfff.jpg
2017-03-09T12:56:44 < stm32> lol
2017-03-09T13:23:59 < PeterM> nice dog jadew`
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2017-03-09T13:56:48 < jpa-> englishman: that would be great, we are on our last bottle of maple syrup :P
2017-03-09T13:57:33 < Laurenceb> the leaf?
2017-03-09T13:58:00 < Laurenceb> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/150/784/39b.jpg
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2017-03-09T14:16:45 < stm32> lol
2017-03-09T14:19:29 < Laurenceb> https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0IAxrtXQHSd8DbG/giphy.gif
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2017-03-09T14:22:27 < zhivko> hello guys
2017-03-09T14:23:58 < zhivko> I am debugging my firmware and while moving with debugger through code two HAL_GetTick() are returning same value so difference of both calls iz zero
2017-03-09T14:24:36 < zhivko> I used:  HAL_NVIC_SetPriority(SysTick_IRQn, 0, 0); to make it have top priority
2017-03-09T14:24:56 < zhivko> anf for other  interrupts I used:  HAL_NVIC_SetPriority(..., 15, 0);
2017-03-09T14:25:12 < zhivko> but this didn't fixed it :(
2017-03-09T14:25:29 < zhivko> any idea what I am doing wrong?
2017-03-09T14:27:33 < Thorn> is systick running while cpu is stopped by debugger?
2017-03-09T14:28:31 < zhivko> that's the question... this could explain it... I will try printing out tick number
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2017-03-09T15:04:04 < zhivko> @thorn: it seems ok now... seems that debugger really stops systick...
2017-03-09T15:05:40 < zhivko> I have it like this: HAL_NVIC_SetPriority(DebugMonitor_IRQn, 15, 0);
2017-03-09T15:06:01 < zhivko> and also other IRQs have 15 except tick timer...
2017-03-09T15:06:40 < zhivko> it seems debugger completly freezes execution...
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2017-03-09T15:28:13 < dongs>  sup doges
2017-03-09T15:31:14 < dongs> is dekar_ china'd?
2017-03-09T15:37:24 < Laurenceb> what a selection https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6bhv19XMAEJvbA.jpg
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2017-03-09T15:55:28 < karlp> zhivko: you can configure whether timers are stopped or continue normally.
2017-03-09T15:55:43 < Laurenceb> I have a trump tier sofa for my basement lair
2017-03-09T15:56:11 < karlp> fucking, need a calculator program that can negative hex stuff properly.
2017-03-09T15:56:17 < Laurenceb> https://ibin.co/3EyREYSwawfM.jpg
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2017-03-09T16:01:03 < karlp> are you saying that's someone sitting in your own couch now?
2017-03-09T16:01:24 < Laurenceb> yeah, its my very own casting couch
2017-03-09T16:01:38 < karlp> right.....
2017-03-09T16:01:38 < Laurenceb> actually we are recruiting victims for our basement experiments
2017-03-09T16:01:43 < Steffanx> I bet its a doll.
2017-03-09T16:01:49 < Laurenceb> lul nice plan
2017-03-09T16:02:06  * Laurenceb orders doll as well to get double the volunteers
2017-03-09T16:02:19 < Steffanx> Negative hex as in just -0xFF karlp ?
2017-03-09T16:02:24 < karlp> hrm, speedcrunch looks like it's going to be nice.
2017-03-09T16:02:54 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/f/f5/Peter_Coffin_loves_his_doll_wife.jpg/180px-Peter_Coffin_loves_his_doll_wife.jpg
2017-03-09T16:02:56 < Steffanx> Google can do it perfectly.
2017-03-09T16:03:01 < karlp> no, as in, I want to put in -14000, and see what that is in, say, 24bit signed
2017-03-09T16:03:32 < Steffanx> Oh. Ok :)
2017-03-09T16:03:56 < karlp> yesterday it was 7 and 12 bit signed numbers, and I was getting them wrong doing it in my head at first.
2017-03-09T16:13:36 < dongs> karlp: like what
2017-03-09T16:13:41 < dongs> -1 = 0xfffff?
2017-03-09T16:13:42 < dongs> or wat
2017-03-09T16:13:58 < dongs> karlp: o, scrolled up
2017-03-09T16:14:00 < dongs> well,
2017-03-09T16:14:11 < dongs> then you'd need to tell word width and stuff
2017-03-09T16:14:22 < dongs> i have one that does it but it does ops in E:\capture\newint64
2017-03-09T16:14:25 < dongs> err
2017-03-09T16:14:31 < dongs> int64 rather
2017-03-09T16:33:04 < zyp> karlp, shit like this?
2017-03-09T16:33:05 < zyp> >>> hex(-14000 & 0xffffff)
2017-03-09T16:33:05 < zyp> '0xffc950'
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2017-03-09T16:35:21 < dongs> is dat sum python faggotry
2017-03-09T16:35:35 < karlp> yeah, python is clever and all, but I like it all being on the screen calculator styule nicely
2017-03-09T16:35:45 < karlp> speedcrunch turns out to be pretty neat.
2017-03-09T16:36:19 < karlp> brings back teh single keypress to change display radix I've missed since windows calc, allows mixed format input,and has mask(-20;7) to get the 7 bit signed version.
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2017-03-09T16:37:34 < dongs> karlp: you mean win10 calc being gimped about radix change?
2017-03-09T16:37:43 < karlp> no idea on windows 10.
2017-03-09T16:37:47 < dongs> then?
2017-03-09T16:37:54 < dongs> there are hotkeys to change bin/hex/oc
2017-03-09T16:37:55 < zyp> dongs, yeah, that's plain interactive python
2017-03-09T16:38:01 < karlp> when I last used windows, like, xp or 7 or something, yeah, there were nice hotkeys
2017-03-09T16:38:03 < dongs> and alt-1-2-3 to cahnge between normal/scient/programmer
2017-03-09T16:38:13 < zyp> that's how I do most of my math or whatever shit
2017-03-09T16:38:16 < karlp> gnome calculator default has hotkeys to change, but it doesn't change what you've got on the screenþ
2017-03-09T16:38:34 < karlp> speedcrunch >> gnome calculator so far, from half a monrins use.
2017-03-09T16:39:07 < karlp> one thing gnome calculator let me do was click on bits in the bottom view to toggle them individually, that was clever
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2017-03-09T17:32:18 < Laurenceb> reeeeeeee
2017-03-09T17:32:28 < Laurenceb> PhD supervisor stole my ideaz
2017-03-09T17:32:45 < Laurenceb> hired a new person to work on them
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2017-03-09T17:36:39 < Thorn> any cheap supercaps for rtc backup on aliexpress/ebay? everything I found is >$1.2
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2017-03-09T17:42:03 < aandrew> Thorn: hang on, I'm using one
2017-03-09T17:42:04 < aandrew> not sure of the price
2017-03-09T17:42:12 < aandrew> give me a moment to look it up
2017-03-09T17:42:47 < aandrew> yeah, mine is CAD$3.32 in onesies
2017-03-09T17:42:54 < aandrew> it's $1.22 in qty 1500 
2017-03-09T17:43:05 < aandrew> DSK-3R3H334T-HL
2017-03-09T17:43:15 < Thorn> this seems to be the cheapest qty 100 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100PCS-LOT-farad-capacitors-supercapacitors-5-5V-1-5F-C-style/32761239409.html
2017-03-09T17:43:30 < Thorn> still over $0.5
2017-03-09T17:43:32 < aandrew> that's fucking huge
2017-03-09T17:43:35 < aandrew> physically
2017-03-09T17:43:49 < aandrew> 20mm dia, 7.5mm high
2017-03-09T17:44:01 < aandrew> 1.5F... what was mine
2017-03-09T17:45:39 < aandrew> 0.33F, 6.8mm, 2.1mm high
2017-03-09T17:45:52 < aandrew> yours is also good for 5.5V though
2017-03-09T17:47:36 < Thorn> I just placed a 21mm circle onto my pcb, bad idea lol
2017-03-09T17:48:29 < Steffanx> What Laurenceb horse tracking?
2017-03-09T17:48:56 < Steffanx> Or patented stuff?
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2017-03-09T17:51:58 < Laurenceb> thermal perfusion monitoring
2017-03-09T17:53:19 < EvaLuAtor> Hello. If I call __disable_irq() and then call NVIC_EnableIRQ(FOO), will the ISR for FOO be run when FOO arrives? I'm asking, because I looked in the sources and found that __disable_irq() executes "cpsid i" instruction, while NVIC_EnableIRQ() writes into processor register.
2017-03-09T17:55:26 < Thorn> __disable_irq() disables all interrupts, NVIC_EnableIRQ() enables a specific interrupt. the former takes precedence
2017-03-09T17:56:10 < EvaLuAtor> I see. Thank you.
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2017-03-09T18:04:18 < englishman> i think i asked this before, is there any way to automatically take a net name and turn it into silkscreen text in altidumb
2017-03-09T18:04:38 < englishman> aandrew: "Lotto 6/49 commercial features the dream of owning a 1 bedroom condo in Toronto"
2017-03-09T18:04:53 < aandrew> englishman:really??
2017-03-09T18:04:57 < branjb> anyone used the black magic probe debugger?
2017-03-09T18:05:09 < englishman> https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/03/lotto-649-commercial-features-dream-owning-1-bedroom-condo-toronto/
2017-03-09T18:05:14 < aandrew> branjb: I have not, but have looked at them. just haven't been able to justify buying it
2017-03-09T18:05:23 < aandrew> oh, beaverton
2017-03-09T18:05:25 < englishman> :p
2017-03-09T18:05:29 < aandrew> that's the canadian onion
2017-03-09T18:05:43 < branjb> aandrew: i'm trying to figure out why they are all the "rage"
2017-03-09T18:05:57 < englishman> plenty of people in here have used bmp, im not sure what it is though besides an expensive st-link that doesnt work with pro tools
2017-03-09T18:05:58 < aandrew> branjb: they seem to be very capable debuggers
2017-03-09T18:06:14 < branjb> can they do anything st-link can't?
2017-03-09T18:06:20 < branjb> they are more expensive too
2017-03-09T18:06:25 < aandrew> I'm pretty happy with jlink. would be happier if I could use stlink and openocd without raging out
2017-03-09T18:06:44 < Thorn> branjb: I made 2 clones and have used them for some time, not any more
2017-03-09T18:06:44 < englishman> jlink is gr8
2017-03-09T18:06:48 < aandrew> branjb: I find them (jlink) a bazillion times more stable, ozone debugger is actually quite nice
2017-03-09T18:07:26 < Rickta59> branjb: the BMP is nice in that you don't need any host program to act as a gdb proxy
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2017-03-09T18:07:47 < Rickta59> well other than arm-none-eabi-gdb
2017-03-09T18:08:27 < Rickta59> it is a useful thing to load on an old stm32 discovery board that has the stlink v1 debugger
2017-03-09T18:08:35 < aandrew> stable debug tools are an absolute priority for me, when I'm ass-deep in a problem and gdb fails on an assertion, I get stabby
2017-03-09T18:08:46 < branjb> lol
2017-03-09T18:08:48 < Thorn> my clones tok several tries to connect to the target, and after an error happened they ad to be reconnected to usb
2017-03-09T18:08:49 < LeelooMinai> Er, cannot wait for this bugger... Will be a killer imo: http://i.imgur.com/gv0o5Q8.png
2017-03-09T18:08:51 < englishman> aandrew: couldnt you flash stlink->jlink and use gdb
2017-03-09T18:08:57 < aandrew> englishman: I do
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2017-03-09T18:09:47 < englishman> whats rage inducing then? besides gdb
2017-03-09T18:09:58 < Laurenceb> http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/images/5123_8934.png
2017-03-09T18:10:05 < aandrew> which tells me the stlink hardware is fine, it's the fucking firmware (or software) that is shit, and with the number of times openocd has crapped out on me I'm inclined to think it's openocd
2017-03-09T18:10:23 < branjb> what
2017-03-09T18:10:25 < branjb> st software bad
2017-03-09T18:10:31 < aandrew> englishman: it's rage-inducing to get the system in the exact state needed to try ot figur eout the problem and the debugger crashes
2017-03-09T18:10:45 < englishman> so its gdb/whatever opensores stuff and not the st-dink
2017-03-09T18:11:01 < Rickta59> can't say i've had issues with either gdb or openocd
2017-03-09T18:11:10 < aandrew> englishman: I suspect it's either the openocd-stlink driver or the stlink firmware. as I said jlink firmware on stlink hardware seems to work great
2017-03-09T18:11:18 < englishman> ah
2017-03-09T18:11:23 < branjb> i had issues with jlink -> openocd, but no issues with stlink and openocd
2017-03-09T18:11:28 < aandrew> interesting
2017-03-09T18:11:32 < aandrew> I wonder what it is then
2017-03-09T18:11:45 < aandrew> I have an old BDI2000 I'd love to use but the want $stupid to get GDB firmware for it
2017-03-09T18:11:50 < karlp> newer openocd has a drasstically overhauled jlink interface fwiw branjb
2017-03-09T18:11:53 < branjb> with jlink and openocd i would get hard faults
2017-03-09T18:12:32 < branjb> plus switching between jlink usb and jlink openocd drivers was a pain
2017-03-09T18:13:13 < PaulFertser> branjb: there's now a way to avoid switching between drivers. Just install libusb-usbdk and the usbdk driver, then it'll become compatible with both.
2017-03-09T18:13:23 < branjb> oh cool
2017-03-09T18:14:01 < englishman> Laurenceb: https://streamable.com/38l6e
2017-03-09T18:16:20 < PaulFertser> branjb: msys2 has libusb-usbdk packaged, so it's just one pacman command away.
2017-03-09T18:18:39 < aandrew> newest arm-none-eabi gcc actually has a bug in gdb that causes abort/traps
2017-03-09T18:18:51 < aandrew> solution is to use previous version, which was fun to figur eout
2017-03-09T18:19:12 < aandrew> actually there we go
2017-03-09T18:19:24 < aandrew> PaulFertser is the man behind openocd
2017-03-09T18:19:35 < aandrew> he's forgotten more about it than I'll ever learn
2017-03-09T18:20:15 < PaulFertser> aandrew: I'm just one of the users willing to help the project
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2017-03-09T18:31:13 < aandrew> sure, and I'm just a guy that helps with the parenting of my kids
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2017-03-09T18:50:42 < branjb> are there any cheap cables that go 20 pin header on st-link -> 5 wire swd?
2017-03-09T18:50:57 < branjb> don't feel like making one
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2017-03-09T18:52:07 < branjb> ie, http://www.micromouseonline.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_0796.jpg
2017-03-09T18:52:11 < englishman> https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/
2017-03-09T18:52:14 < englishman> karl^
2017-03-09T18:52:17 < englishman> no
2017-03-09T18:52:20 < englishman> branj^
2017-03-09T18:52:58 < emeb> DK has stock of the F723 Disco now -> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/STM32F723E-DISCO/497-17094-ND/6622020
2017-03-09T18:56:09 < Steffanx> Cool.
2017-03-09T18:56:46 < Steffanx> englishma why you no auto complete?
2017-03-09T18:59:15 < ReadError> branjb: mouser has those
2017-03-09T19:02:47 < branjb> ReadError: what do they call it?
2017-03-09T19:03:26 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Olimex-Ltd/ARM-JTAG-20-10/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtE4ePzUE8d2AvNxheVcyoX
2017-03-09T19:04:13 < branjb> thx
2017-03-09T19:04:15 < ReadError> oh you wanted 5?
2017-03-09T19:04:17 < ReadError> or 2x5
2017-03-09T19:05:07 < branjb> was looking for 5
2017-03-09T19:05:16 < ReadError> cuz if its the 5pin in a row, you pretty much need to make that
2017-03-09T19:05:29 < branjb> what's the point of swd if all the standard connectors are still 20 pin jtag?
2017-03-09T19:05:33 < ReadError> or adapt one of those PIC cables
2017-03-09T19:05:38 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-09T19:05:40 < ReadError> think they use somethin similar 
2017-03-09T19:05:42 < branjb> i'll prob just make one
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2017-03-09T19:09:24 < englishman> branjb, cuz the pcb side connector is smaller
2017-03-09T19:09:42 < englishman> you can also use noob-connect or that pogopin thing like i linked
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2017-03-09T19:39:51 < karlp> fucking rogowski coils
2017-03-09T19:45:19 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnToK3kSKKg
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2017-03-09T20:12:27 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/cap7Zqz.png
2017-03-09T20:12:54 < Laurenceb> tfw: irish
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2017-03-09T21:39:32 < Laurenceb> found dongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHWN8WnvTqE
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2017-03-09T21:48:43 < englishman> placed second allpcb order, 2x 10qty pcbs, 1 stencil, $60 shipped with dhl
2017-03-09T21:48:43 < englishman> lol
2017-03-09T21:49:25 < qyx> Laurenceb: did you do anything with that AX5243?
2017-03-09T21:49:30 < qyx> ir it wasn't you?
2017-03-09T21:49:56 < Laurenceb> nah I haven't used ax5243
2017-03-09T21:50:11 < Laurenceb> would like to but silabs is good enough for what I'm doing atm
2017-03-09T21:50:22 < Laurenceb> the AFC on AX5243 looks a bit lacking
2017-03-09T21:50:26 < englishman> thats what i just ordered qyx lol
2017-03-09T21:50:34 < Laurenceb> but there might be some good firmware fixes
2017-03-09T21:50:43 < qyx> I am doing a soil moisture sensor board with it now
2017-03-09T21:50:46 < qyx> just for the lulz
2017-03-09T21:51:56 < Laurenceb> interesting project
2017-03-09T21:52:25 < Laurenceb> I can't see how the baseband bandwidth is set in the ax5243 datasheet tbh
2017-03-09T21:54:15 < Laurenceb> maybe its just the datarate registers
2017-03-09T21:54:25 < Laurenceb> would explain why they also have an offset setting
2017-03-09T21:54:43 < Laurenceb> registers 102 to 10A
2017-03-09T21:55:56 < Laurenceb> hmm maybe not
2017-03-09T21:58:29 < Laurenceb> I guess reg 102, decimation factor could be ""hacked
2017-03-09T21:58:45 < Laurenceb> but its somewhat coarse
2017-03-09T22:01:24 < Laurenceb> aha
2017-03-09T22:01:34 < Laurenceb> PHASEGAIN, FREQGAINA, FREQGAINB,
2017-03-09T22:01:35 < Laurenceb> FREQGAINC, FREQGAIND, AMPLGAIN
2017-03-09T22:01:35 < Laurenceb> These registers control the bandwidth of the phase, frequency offset and amplitude
2017-03-09T22:01:35 < Laurenceb> tracking loops.
2017-03-09T22:01:55 < Laurenceb> so you can achieve finer control with those, which are documented... somewhere
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2017-03-09T22:41:52 < englishman> tbh
2017-03-09T22:42:00 < englishman> documentation and software support is close to nil
2017-03-09T22:42:09 < englishman> half the documents are for 5043
2017-03-09T22:42:13 < englishman> none of the software is for 5243
2017-03-09T22:42:17 < englishman> i think ON really killed it
2017-03-09T22:42:29 < englishman> or at least shift-del'd anything that axsem had released
2017-03-09T22:42:51 < englishman> probably worth getting in touch with an fae
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2017-03-09T23:40:01 < englishman> Laurenceb: https://8ch.net/hwndu/res/55597.html
2017-03-09T23:40:31 < zyp> try /msg next time?
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2017-03-09T23:41:17 < Steffanx> Hah. No 8/2ch policy :P
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2017-03-09T23:50:51 < karlp> zyp: python bytecodes, that's only helping for application startup right?
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2017-03-09T23:58:34 < zyp> yeah, I think it's just meant as a sort of cache
2017-03-09T23:58:57 < zyp> so libs doesn't have to be reparsed on every load
2017-03-09T23:59:56 < karlp> someone's trying to get lede/openwrt to split all the python packages so you can install only the bytecode, and talking about performance gains,
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2017-03-10T00:00:39 < zyp> goal being to save disk space by not storing .py files?
2017-03-10T00:01:05 < karlp> they don't actually even mention that, though to my undestanding, that's surely the only meaningful purpose in trying to ship .pyc files only
2017-03-10T00:01:14 < karlp> I mean, yes, app startup is real, but it's a oneoff cost.
2017-03-10T00:01:27 < zyp> I think python will happily load the .pyc even if the .py is not present, so that could work
2017-03-10T00:02:48 < karlp> yes, it does.
2017-03-10T00:08:28 < zyp> I remember instances of renaming foo.py to foo/__init__.py and getting unexpected behavior because python happily loaded the leftover foo.pyc instead
2017-03-10T00:11:02 < upgrdman> anyone ever setup a jig to test their PCBs while flexing them? e.g. have a machine gently bend you PCB, while you run some automated tests.
2017-03-10T00:11:09 < upgrdman> to check for intermittent shitz
2017-03-10T00:12:04 < englishman> no but i have a deliberate drop off of about 12" as pcbs come out of the oven
2017-03-10T00:12:43 < englishman> solder voiding needs to be fixed in your process
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2017-03-10T00:25:02 < PeterM> i can see doing it to save space (on low end routers thats somewhat limited) bnut not for performance gains
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2017-03-10T00:55:08 < karlp> yeah, that's what I was thinking. just checking I hadn't misunderstood something
2017-03-10T00:55:40 < karlp> in my experience, on the low end routers where the space is a premium, python's too memory intensive to use anyway
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2017-03-10T00:57:24 < kakimir> hello
2017-03-10T01:00:17 < Steffannn> Its me.
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2017-03-10T01:12:46 < stm32> Thankyou
2017-03-10T01:35:21 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbVVwSElsSzMxMFk/view?usp=sharing built something to back of the sled
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2017-03-10T01:48:56 < Laurenceb_> full retard
2017-03-10T01:51:38 < stm32> hiii
2017-03-10T01:52:12 < stm32> wtf is that kakimir 
2017-03-10T01:54:38 < Laurenceb_> stupid hospital basement lurking is tedious
2017-03-10T01:54:45 < Laurenceb_> cheese grrl is annoying me
2017-03-10T01:55:11 < stm32> why not put a dagger through her neck
2017-03-10T01:55:15 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-03-10T01:55:47 < stm32> wtf are you doing anyway
2017-03-10T01:56:09 < Laurenceb_> doing medical experiments on victims in a hospital basement
2017-03-10T01:56:20 < stm32> good work
2017-03-10T01:56:40 < Laurenceb_> hot grrl goes around the hospital to entice them in
2017-03-10T01:57:03 < Laurenceb_> hopefully walking downwind of them and not smearing her horrible caked on makeup on anything
2017-03-10T01:57:16 < stm32> yeah
2017-03-10T01:58:13 < Laurenceb_> they I stick them in a walk in freezer before putting them in an oven
2017-03-10T01:58:16 < Laurenceb_> yah really
2017-03-10T01:59:03 < Laurenceb_> havent found any jews yet :(
2017-03-10T01:59:15 < Laurenceb_> zap them with doppler lidar
2017-03-10T01:59:23 < stm32> they burn quite well
2017-03-10T02:01:31 < Laurenceb_> some PhD students keep arguing with us about access to the fridge :(
2017-03-10T02:01:37 < Laurenceb_> stupid drama intensifies
2017-03-10T02:02:05 < stm32> good goys
2017-03-10T02:03:44 < Laurenceb_> if this goes well I can land a contract to obtain characterisation data for a foetal ecg
2017-03-10T02:03:57 < Laurenceb_> and spend my time applying lotion to pregnant bellies
2017-03-10T02:04:32 < stm32> sounds like the cuck life
2017-03-10T02:05:01 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-03-10T02:05:20 < stm32> your beautiful white wife with a disgusting nigger baby growing inside her
2017-03-10T02:05:38 < Laurenceb_> and it begins
2017-03-10T02:05:41 < Laurenceb_> blacked.com
2017-03-10T02:10:52 < stm32> lol
2017-03-10T02:14:44 < kakimir> I licked my pussy today
2017-03-10T02:17:47 < kakimir> I saw some fake tongue product thing for bonding with a cat so I tried just to lick her because I don't need that plastic crap
2017-03-10T02:18:31 < kakimir> what is weird is that the cat thinks it's fine
2017-03-10T02:19:11 < stm32> ok.
2017-03-10T02:19:23 < Laurenceb_>  >  what is weird
2017-03-10T02:19:35 < Laurenceb_> no thats not the start of thats weird
2017-03-10T02:19:39 < Laurenceb_> *whats
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2017-03-10T02:23:00 < Laurenceb_> https://i0.wp.com/knuckledraggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/in-da-hood.jpg
2017-03-10T02:23:05 < Laurenceb_> dat url
2017-03-10T02:24:46 < stm32> drugs and dumbcunt
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2017-03-10T02:28:38 < kakimir> where do they get those mercs?
2017-03-10T02:31:20 < sync_> craigslist
2017-03-10T02:32:28 < stm32> cregslist
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2017-03-10T02:58:38 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/6TA1H0G.jpg
2017-03-10T03:02:33 < Laurenceb_> unfunny obvious trolls
2017-03-10T03:04:44 < kakimir> so us funny Laurenceb_ 
2017-03-10T03:04:52 < kakimir> show
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2017-03-10T03:07:53 < kakimir> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mrEMp8sNt4 why not
2017-03-10T03:09:18 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/a/KwOrn
2017-03-10T03:09:26 < Laurenceb_> lul had to use duckduckgo to find this
2017-03-10T03:10:41 < kakimir> old
2017-03-10T03:11:49 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/R92TDX7.jpg
2017-03-10T03:12:05 < Laurenceb_> it's delisted from google
2017-03-10T03:12:13 < kakimir> are these real?
2017-03-10T03:12:14 < Laurenceb_> funny cuz it took them about a year
2017-03-10T03:12:21 < Laurenceb_> seriously...
2017-03-10T03:12:39 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-10T03:12:41 < kakimir> are these
2017-03-10T03:12:46 < Laurenceb_> I'm going to go out on a limb and say they are troll edits
2017-03-10T03:13:13 < kakimir> okay I give yoi that this one I laughed at a bit
2017-03-10T03:13:34 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/yVY0HZW.png
2017-03-10T03:13:43 < Laurenceb_> I'm not sure who is trolling who any more
2017-03-10T03:14:20 < Laurenceb_> holy shit irl lolling http://i.imgur.com/GhtIcqg.jpg
2017-03-10T03:15:06 < kakimir> I don't get the reference
2017-03-10T03:16:13 < Laurenceb_> batman
2017-03-10T03:17:12 < kakimir> enjoyed the movie
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2017-03-10T03:18:08 < kakimir> jesus I think I have some heart condition
2017-03-10T03:18:30 < kakimir> pain in chest for many days
2017-03-10T03:19:07 < kakimir> sometimes heart starts rushing like weird
2017-03-10T03:19:43 < kakimir> like i was spook'd
2017-03-10T03:19:57 < kakimir> but I wasn't
2017-03-10T03:20:50 < kakimir> should I be a complete faggot and go to doctor?
2017-03-10T03:21:06 < kakimir> or just take it like a man
2017-03-10T03:21:30 < Laurenceb_> erm yeah maybe visit a doctor
2017-03-10T03:21:36 < Laurenceb_> is your blood pressure ok?
2017-03-10T03:21:38 < kakimir> you are basically a doctor right?
2017-03-10T03:21:55 < kakimir> probs not
2017-03-10T03:22:14 < kakimir> who deletes my browser history Laurenceb_ ?
2017-03-10T03:22:33 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-03-10T03:22:43 < kakimir> I need to facilitate dead mans switch
2017-03-10T03:22:43 < Laurenceb_> its deleting itself?
2017-03-10T03:22:47 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-03-10T03:22:49 < Laurenceb_> I dunno
2017-03-10T03:22:57 < kakimir> when I die mate
2017-03-10T03:26:19 < kakimir> my browsing history is not at all bad though nowdays
2017-03-10T03:27:18 < kakimir> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61TOgJPTt%2BL._UY395_.jpg reference Laurenceb_ 
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2017-03-10T03:52:33 < stm32> who cares
2017-03-10T03:52:50 < stm32> looking up electronic components is nothing to be ashamed of
2017-03-10T03:53:45  * upgrdman imagines that photo of a simple IED trigger with a relay + diode + some DIP
2017-03-10T03:54:00 < upgrdman> "i was just looking up electronic components"
2017-03-10T03:54:50 < kakimir> :d
2017-03-10T03:55:13 < upgrdman> like dis   http://i.imgur.com/KButhor.jpg?fb
2017-03-10T03:56:01 < upgrdman> but the photo i was think of was even simpler. just protoboard + relay + some DIP
2017-03-10T03:56:16 < upgrdman> prolly a FF
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2017-03-10T04:05:15 < kakimir> "I just try to learn electronics"
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2017-03-10T04:24:16 < stm32> empty the draw of socks
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2017-03-10T04:55:26 < stm32> Hypex UcD, gayer than aids
2017-03-10T05:18:11 < upgrdman> lol  https://i.imgur.com/NySFjgB.gifv
2017-03-10T05:21:08 < englishman> any thoughts on how to measure microamps of this circuit in standby
2017-03-10T05:21:21 < englishman> should i get dave jones ucurrent box
2017-03-10T05:21:53 < stm32> just apply the principle of it
2017-03-10T05:22:19 < stm32> or get some magic TI(tm) $15,00 IC that'll do it
2017-03-10T05:23:27 < stm32> i read daves article years before his eevautism kicked it, basically a ramble on chopper stabilised op-amps iirc
2017-03-10T05:23:51 < stm32> http://archive.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_111243/article.html
2017-03-10T05:24:17 < englishman> AU$89.00 for ucurrent
2017-03-10T05:24:25 < stm32> b4EEVblog
2017-03-10T05:24:53 < englishman> cool
2017-03-10T05:24:58 < englishman> the link
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2017-03-10T05:32:18 < upgrdman> ohsix, https://i.imgur.com/WFE3yYP.gifv
2017-03-10T05:33:22 < dekar_> dongs, I've been stuck in China every other month for about two years now.
2017-03-10T05:33:49 < PeterM> dekar_ where in .cn?
2017-03-10T05:33:59 < dekar_> Chengdu/Sichuan
2017-03-10T05:34:17 < PeterM> ahh, so it's not the "i want you as far away as possible so your going to the 
2017-03-10T05:34:42 < PeterM> desert up near mongoila"
2017-03-10T05:36:05 < upgrdman> dekar_, what do you do in cn? oversee production quality?
2017-03-10T05:36:16 < PeterM> although, chengdu is probably as close to that as you can without actually leaviong civilization
2017-03-10T05:45:14 < jadew`> englishman, you don't have a meter that can do uA?
2017-03-10T05:45:32 < englishman> sure, a pretty dope $25 mastercraft
2017-03-10T05:46:05 < englishman> i dono if it'll read that low actually
2017-03-10T05:46:12 < jadew`> my $30 one has .1 uA resolution
2017-03-10T05:46:13 < englishman> but i assume it will be crap
2017-03-10T05:47:04 < jadew`> does it have a specs sheet? it could be enough
2017-03-10T05:47:20 < englishman> yeah 100nA resolution
2017-03-10T05:47:23 < jadew`> also, I have uCurrent, so if you need me to test anything let me know
2017-03-10T05:47:39 < englishman> ah really, neat
2017-03-10T05:52:30 < dekar_> upgrdman, well, I guess, somewhat. We do some hardware and software development here. From my experience things don't work too smoothly if you don't show up once in a while.
2017-03-10T06:05:44 < upgrdman> ahh same with my company
2017-03-10T06:06:02 < upgrdman> my boss (an american) spends most of his time in shanghai
2017-03-10T06:06:44 < upgrdman> and often mentions the problems with getting problems solved (or solved well) in cn
2017-03-10T06:08:34 < upgrdman> and when im in cn, it seems like the locals have very little self-drive. great people, but any time theres a problem they just stop, or they try to work around it, instead of finding the root cause and fixing it
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2017-03-10T06:27:20 < emeb_mac> Interesting observation on motivation. I've heard a lot of similar things from folks who deal with engineering groups in India too.
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2017-03-10T06:32:29 < dongs> sup stoners
2017-03-10T06:32:31 < dongs> dekar_: cool
2017-03-10T06:35:10 < stm32> my mouser bit are here
2017-03-10T06:41:22 < dongs> i gotta order somethin from mouser too
2017-03-10T06:42:58 < PeterM> http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/567021/;jsessionid=8CBC9461B18818BB63CF2673678DAB0F.ASTPCEN26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTKQ2A_KkLk 
2017-03-10T06:44:48 < stm32> bloody rippa
2017-03-10T06:51:37 < stm32> peter why mouser no 3F3
2017-03-10T06:52:44 < PeterM> because stocking 9999e999 types of ferrite isn't particulkarly viable ,especially when they're usually only bought in brototype quantities from distributors
2017-03-10T06:52:59 < PeterM> try rs 
2017-03-10T06:53:02 < PeterM> or e14
2017-03-10T06:53:04 < dongs> RS delivers
2017-03-10T06:53:20 < PeterM> dk has pretty shit selection of magnetics
2017-03-10T06:53:25 < stm32> hmm
2017-03-10T06:53:46 < PeterM> theres some euro distributor who isnt  too bad wiht magnetics either
2017-03-10T06:53:52 < PeterM> maybe te
2017-03-10T06:54:34 < PeterM> tme*
2017-03-10T06:55:22 < stm32> http://au.element14.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?pageSize=25&st=etd59&catalogId=15001&categoryId=800000003692&langId=43&storeId=10184
2017-03-10T06:57:51 < upgrdman> q for you audio pros: iirc 24bits is more than enough to conver the entire human hearing range. even mobo sound cards can record at 96kHz 24bit these days. so why do mic levels even matter (as opposed to just editing it in post production) ? is the limit factor the *mics* dynamic range?
2017-03-10T06:58:04 < stm32> yes
2017-03-10T06:58:07 < stm32> hearing range
2017-03-10T06:58:09 < stm32> no to
2017-03-10T06:58:12 < stm32> autism range
2017-03-10T06:58:43 < upgrdman> stm32, well ya but if 24bit is enough to cover from a quiet wispen to a deafening jet engine, why do mic levels need to be carefully set?
2017-03-10T06:59:01 < dongs> autism range? more liek autism rage, what happens when everyone in the channel has you on ignore
2017-03-10T06:59:20 < jadew`> what do you mean? if you record using only 10% of 24 bits, it's not going to be 24 bits
2017-03-10T06:59:23 < dongs> upgrdman: because 24 bits of stuff with only 5lsb carrying useful data
2017-03-10T06:59:26 < dongs> ^
2017-03-10T06:59:27 < stm32> in space nobody can hear you scream
2017-03-10T06:59:53 < upgrdman> jadew`, ya but if volume is only 10% of deafening, that should be fine
2017-03-10T07:00:09 < upgrdman> but instead we must set mic levels so they dont clip and so theyre not too quiet
2017-03-10T07:00:15 < stm32> peter i want litz wire
2017-03-10T07:00:20 < jadew`> it has nothing to do with volume
2017-03-10T07:00:33 < jadew`> with output volume - if that's what you meant
2017-03-10T07:00:44 < jadew`> it's just using the most bits to capture the audio
2017-03-10T07:00:49 < upgrdman> sure
2017-03-10T07:00:51 < upgrdman> but
2017-03-10T07:00:51 < stm32> i must find china 
2017-03-10T07:01:21 < PeterM> crt why
2017-03-10T07:01:29 < jadew`> you can still have the full 24 bits when outputting at only 10% volume
2017-03-10T07:01:32 < stm32> to wind happy smps transformer
2017-03-10T07:01:53 < upgrdman> why even need to set levels if 24bit is more than enough to capture the entire range of human hearing. like why not just set mic gain so that it will clip at "jet engine" loudnesses, and never worry about it again. and adjust volume 100% in post
2017-03-10T07:02:03 < PeterM> you're hoping for 150kright?
2017-03-10T07:02:09 < stm32> yah
2017-03-10T07:02:10 < jadew`> because the volume is analogically controlled, it doesn't scale the audio down
2017-03-10T07:02:40 < jadew`> (it doesn't scale the digital waveform)
2017-03-10T07:02:50 < upgrdman> yes
2017-03-10T07:02:52 < upgrdman> but why the fuck not
2017-03-10T07:03:07 < upgrdman> if 24bit is more than enough, why fuck with the analog portion. just do it in post.
2017-03-10T07:03:11 < PeterM> so for 100% skin depth you cant like 0.35mm strands
2017-03-10T07:03:18 < PeterM> *you need like
2017-03-10T07:03:30 < jadew`> ah, I see what you mean
2017-03-10T07:03:42 < jadew`> because volume is relative
2017-03-10T07:03:53 < stm32> i see
2017-03-10T07:04:24 < PeterM> 0.35mm strands is huge for litz wire
2017-03-10T07:04:36 < jadew`> if you keep the speaker to your ear you'll need 5% volume, if it's in the other building you need 100%, which could mean 1000W
2017-03-10T07:04:44 < PeterM> so probs could just use multi strands of std wire
2017-03-10T07:04:52 < stm32> PeterM: yeah i've never used litz before
2017-03-10T07:05:02 < upgrdman> jadew`, im talking about recording, not playback. 
2017-03-10T07:05:10 < jadew`> you can't output maximum sound value from a speaker for everyone in the world
2017-03-10T07:05:28 < stm32> PeterM: i'll do some calculations and see how it goes
2017-03-10T07:05:33 < upgrdman> if we're sampling at 24bits, why even both with setting the mic gain
2017-03-10T07:05:47 < upgrdman> just set the gain so it will barely clip when a meter from a jet engine
2017-03-10T07:06:22 < jadew`> ok, got your point, sure that would make it all standardized
2017-03-10T07:06:23 < upgrdman> and we should have enough resolution, even for a quiet wisper, to apply gain in post and still have more than enough quality for a human ear
2017-03-10T07:06:27 < PeterM> upgrdman because if someone whiospers into the mic then you get like 2 bits ofd dynamic range
2017-03-10T07:06:40 < PeterM> no way enough resolution
2017-03-10T07:07:04 < upgrdman> google says 24bit is 144dB
2017-03-10T07:07:15 < jadew`> it might be enough resolution, cuz hearing is logarithmic
2017-03-10T07:07:17 < upgrdman> human sensitivity is what, 110dB?
2017-03-10T07:07:28 < upgrdman> between quieting wisper and deafness
2017-03-10T07:07:33 < upgrdman> quietest
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2017-03-10T07:07:59 < jadew`> upgrdman, you should propose that
2017-03-10T07:08:14 < upgrdman> well im not trying to change anyone
2017-03-10T07:08:31 < PeterM> upgrdman yep lets say 110db, 
2017-03-10T07:08:35 < upgrdman> just wondering why setting mic levels is important if we have such an excess of dynamic range when sampling at 24bits
2017-03-10T07:08:55 < PeterM> 24bits is like what 105db?
2017-03-10T07:09:00 < jadew`> so you don't waste it
2017-03-10T07:09:02 < upgrdman> google says 24bit is 144dB
2017-03-10T07:09:16 < upgrdman> 	144.49 dB
2017-03-10T07:09:23 < jadew`> you never know what we'll have 100 years from now
2017-03-10T07:09:28 < jadew`> maybe people will have bionic ears
2017-03-10T07:09:36 < jadew`> and they'll be able to hear the difference
2017-03-10T07:10:07 < jadew`> and shitty songs will sound to them like 80's game music
2017-03-10T07:10:34 < jadew`> why not get the best quality you can get?
2017-03-10T07:10:51 < upgrdman> jadew`, sure. im not saying not to in a studio
2017-03-10T07:10:55 < PeterM> upgrdman that doesnt seem right
2017-03-10T07:11:14 < upgrdman> PeterM, google "24 bits to db"
2017-03-10T07:11:25 < upgrdman> 11	66.22 dB	2048
2017-03-10T07:11:25 < upgrdman> 16	96.33 dB	65,536
2017-03-10T07:11:25 < upgrdman> 20	120.41 dB	1,048,576
2017-03-10T07:11:25 < upgrdman> 24	144.49 dB	16,777,216
2017-03-10T07:11:38 < upgrdman> bits, snr, count
2017-03-10T07:12:57 < upgrdman> PeterM, but fine. lets say its 90dB then.
2017-03-10T07:13:13 < jadew`> not loud enough for the club
2017-03-10T07:13:15 < upgrdman> so if a mic wont be "too close" to a jet engine...
2017-03-10T07:15:11 < jadew`> are there no 32 bit audio recordings? :)
2017-03-10T07:15:36 < PeterM> somehow between now and 10 mins ago ive completely forgotten what i was going to say
2017-03-10T07:15:41 < jadew`> audiophools can hear the difference
2017-03-10T07:16:03 < upgrdman> PeterM, fair enough
2017-03-10T07:16:14 < upgrdman> im guessing the limit, at least for consumer mics, is the mic dynamic range
2017-03-10T07:17:18 < PeterM> i think its a bit of both, a whisper is pretty quiet and a jet engine is pretty loud
2017-03-10T07:18:00 < PeterM> im sure with the gain set the way you're suggesting it would sound recognizeable/comprehendable but it wouldnt make for pleasant listening experience
2017-03-10T07:18:36 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-10T07:18:49 < jadew`> especially for audiophools
2017-03-10T07:18:53 < stm32> the dirty whisperer
2017-03-10T07:19:03 < upgrdman> and im sure my mobo's 96kHz 24bit ADCs have like 14 bits of noise
2017-03-10T07:22:13 < PeterM> a whisper is say  20db, a turbofan is say 110db, thats 90db between them, if your 24bits is 144db, then thats fine, you have like 54db of dynamic range for youre whisper, but if you only have 15enob, your whisper could possibly be OOK
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2017-03-10T07:26:44 < upgrdman> looking at some anal devices app notes, they mention a mic dyn range of 65dB
2017-03-10T07:26:55 < upgrdman> not sure if thats typical, but that could explain why
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2017-03-10T07:37:53 < ReadError> These sour apple bitter bitches I'm not fucking with 'em.
2017-03-10T07:38:05 < dongs> hmm
2017-03-10T07:38:15 < dongs> win2008 crashed inside esxi again
2017-03-10T07:38:20 < dongs> this is liek 3rd time in few months
2017-03-10T07:38:22 < dongs> wtf piece of shit
2017-03-10T07:38:45 < ReadError> check vmware.log inside the guest dir
2017-03-10T07:39:13 < dongs> hmm good point
2017-03-10T07:40:17 < dongs> at least i got a couple more machiens running that i can install viclient on
2017-03-10T07:41:02 < ReadError> you can do this over ssh 
2017-03-10T07:41:06 < ReadError> or thats the easiest way
2017-03-10T07:41:53 < dongs> 2017-03-10T14:12:30.255Z| vcpu-0| I120: CPT: error saving group pciPassthru0, 0
2017-03-10T07:41:53 < dongs> 2017-03-10T14:12:30.256Z| vcpu-0| I120: Progress 101% (none)
2017-03-10T07:41:53 < dongs> 2017-03-10T14:12:30.256Z| vcpu-0| I120: DUMPER: Ending save. Expected 104 groups, but got 66.
2017-03-10T07:42:00 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6ga3u3UAAALAvV.jpg
2017-03-10T07:42:01 < dongs> looks like it crashed and saved a dump for pci passthrough stuff?
2017-03-10T07:42:21 < ReadError> whats before / after that
2017-03-10T07:42:32 < ohsix> upgrdman: awesome, wild wild west reenactment?
2017-03-10T07:42:47 < ohsix> upgrdman: the shot from behind with it moving is literally from that movie ololol
2017-03-10T07:43:47 < ohsix> or not, hm, different movie i guess
2017-03-10T07:43:53 < dongs> wehat the fuck
2017-03-10T07:43:58 < ohsix> ru drinked ReadError 
2017-03-10T07:44:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, supposedly it a gif from this   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NIg0vOetHo
2017-03-10T07:44:16 < ReadError> no
2017-03-10T07:44:31 < ReadError> imma go make some grape drank
2017-03-10T07:44:43 < dongs> installing microsoft visual j# 2.0 second edition
2017-03-10T07:45:39 < dongs> 2017-03-10T14:12:21.647Z| vmx| I120: VMXVmdbCbVmVmxExecState: Exec state change requested to state suspended without r
2017-03-10T07:45:42 < dongs> 2017-03-10T14:12:21.647Z| vmx| I120: SUSPEND: Start (flags=0 prog=0 progData=0 cb=6640710 cbData=0)
2017-03-10T07:45:46 < dongs> i dont get it
2017-03-10T07:45:48 < dongs> it wanted to suspend?
2017-03-10T07:45:51 < dongs> but why
2017-03-10T07:48:34 < ReadError> sounds like OS issued something
2017-03-10T07:48:44 < dongs> o well, resetting it
2017-03-10T07:50:17 < dongs> thing is it has pci passthrough so it shouldnt suspend
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2017-03-10T07:51:25 < ReadError> maybe something in windows crashed and it tried to reset 
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2017-03-10T08:07:06 < stm32> windows aint crashin bro
2017-03-10T08:11:18 < stm32> cone smashers
2017-03-10T08:11:21 < ohsix> how much do you charge for vmware support ReadError 
2017-03-10T08:11:51 < ReadError> idk
2017-03-10T08:23:41 < ReadError> https://www.extremetech.com/computing/245553-microsoft-now-puts-ads-windows-file-explorer
2017-03-10T08:23:42 < ReadError> fuckin a
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2017-03-10T08:26:39 < dongs> wat
2017-03-10T08:26:54 < dongs> oh that shit
2017-03-10T08:27:02 < dongs> i dont have that cuz i dont open my explorer to dick access, lol
2017-03-10T08:27:14 < dongs> thats like the first thing i wipe with group policy
2017-03-10T08:27:34 < ReadError> even if you turn off all the features for phoning home
2017-03-10T08:27:38 < ReadError> shit still hits bing
2017-03-10T08:27:39 < ReadError> onedrive
2017-03-10T08:27:47 < dongs> i dont use dickdrive
2017-03-10T08:27:54 < dongs> its not running and turned off by gp
2017-03-10T08:27:56 < ReadError> right neither do I, i turned that off
2017-03-10T08:28:03 < ReadError> but my router shows it connecting still
2017-03-10T08:28:08 < dongs> shruggery
2017-03-10T08:29:47 < ReadError> 2017-3-10  01:12:17	CARBIDE	cdn.onenote.net
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2017-03-10T08:40:57 < stm32> the fucking dogs
2017-03-10T08:41:57 < dongs> balls
2017-03-10T08:44:23 < stm32> a fuckin tist
2017-03-10T08:46:19 < ohsix> ReadError: find out yo
2017-03-10T08:46:24 < ohsix> you're getting robbed
2017-03-10T08:47:10 < stm32> sick of testing this piece of shit
2017-03-10T08:55:31 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://twitter.com/25bravofox2/status/839422974599929857
2017-03-10T08:56:12 < upgrdman> ohsix, seen it
2017-03-10T08:57:09 < dongs> now ampsix serves old news, too
2017-03-10T08:57:14 < dongs> whats next
2017-03-10T08:57:46 < zyp> that video were doing the rounds last year
2017-03-10T09:01:23 < stm32> like my ex girlfriend
2017-03-10T09:03:14 < stm32> bitch got a pussy like a field mouse
2017-03-10T09:03:42 < stm32> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAT5ml_KNLs
2017-03-10T09:07:27 < ohsix> zyp: nice
2017-03-10T09:07:36 < ohsix> well nobody told me, i blame you
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2017-03-10T09:09:32 < ohsix> vw got their monies worth ololol
2017-03-10T09:11:32  * corecode goes puzzling to find which GPIO is BOOT0 on this chip
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2017-03-10T09:19:04 < zyp> which chip?
2017-03-10T09:19:22 < zyp> as far as I'm aware, boot0 is always a dedicated pin
2017-03-10T09:19:29 < zyp> but I don't have 100% control of the newest ones
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2017-03-10T09:22:44 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-10T09:22:46 < dongs> and BOOT1 is PB2
2017-03-10T09:22:58 < dongs> but most new shit doesnt even have boot1 its in option bytes
2017-03-10T09:23:14 < dongs> boot0 is still dedicated
2017-03-10T09:23:18 < dongs> on everything I've seen
2017-03-10T09:31:11 < corecode> gd32f150
2017-03-10T09:35:38 < stm32> god damn 32
2017-03-10T09:36:03 < stm32> that's what i think everytime i read gd32
2017-03-10T09:36:32 < dongs> gas dongs 32
2017-03-10T09:36:55 < stm32> spectrum tards 32
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2017-03-10T09:44:13 < dongs> cant believe nobody mentioned gay dongs 32
2017-03-10T09:48:26 < stm32> toss this into your barrel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssL5scfIFZ8
2017-03-10T09:48:36 < stm32> (actually electronics related)
2017-03-10T09:48:46 < ohsix> anything new or interesting
2017-03-10T09:49:01 < ohsix> left to my own devices, finding stuff will keep me up for hours
2017-03-10T09:50:08 < ohsix> somehow i ended up prototyping medical shits
2017-03-10T09:50:31 < ohsix> gotta GIT GOOD at some analog stuff that i know of, but can't do w/o referencing shit
2017-03-10T09:51:14 < ohsix> i'd really like to know if i could do some of the steps as dsp but i don't have time to investigate
2017-03-10T09:52:13 < stm32> reckon that's a M2F there?
2017-03-10T09:52:22 < ohsix> one of the devices i have to look at is p. cool, pulse & oximeter, 100 times a second it sends a wide high voltage pulse and a wide low voltage pulse to check out path length impedance and to set the gain of the photodiode, then sends a sharp tall pulse
2017-03-10T09:54:21 < PeterM> probably not, probably just the obligatory marketing->femgineer they stick in all these types of videos
2017-03-10T09:55:02 < stm32> have you noticed the pumping engineers australia has been doing lately with that PeterM ?
2017-03-10T09:55:19 < PeterM> oh  fuck 
2017-03-10T09:55:21 < PeterM> yeah
2017-03-10T09:55:23 < PeterM>  thats fucked
2017-03-10T09:55:42 < stm32> yeah no shit
2017-03-10T09:56:30 < ohsix> what are they doign?
2017-03-10T09:56:49 < ohsix> industry ads always seem to walk out some attractive woman, hired just for that or secretarial or whatever; it's dumb
2017-03-10T09:57:08 < ohsix> was actually thinking of writing about that poop, there's a lot of stupid shit in trade paper
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2017-03-10T10:11:56 < ohsix> huh, dont' knwo if i dislike at this point
2017-03-10T10:12:11 < ohsix> but aliexpress seems to share search interest with the vendors, one of them contacted me about kynar wire
2017-03-10T10:12:19 < ohsix> something i looked at a few listings, but didn't buy
2017-03-10T10:12:40 < ohsix> Kerr-A: ^
2017-03-10T10:14:01 < ohsix> they'd probably all be disappointed when i say like a hundred yards ... but since they're soliciting, maybe they'd dump some stuff cheap
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2017-03-10T10:20:00 < dongs>  < stm32> toss this into your barrel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssL5scfIFZ8
2017-03-10T10:20:03 < dongs> what the fuck is this garbage
2017-03-10T10:20:24 < dongs> is this "amelia dalton'?
2017-03-10T10:20:28 < dongs> cuz thats a m2f for sure
2017-03-10T10:28:33 < upgrdman> so like regular shitshack speaker wire, guessing 20awg, can it do 500mA for 20 feet without too much loss?
2017-03-10T10:28:55 < dongs> not without losing all teh highs and most of hte lows
2017-03-10T10:29:07 < upgrdman> ya not using it for audio. but 40kHz IR PWM
2017-03-10T10:29:24 < upgrdman> so i need dem "highs" ;)
2017-03-10T10:30:07 < dongs> apparently we're doing same shit
2017-03-10T10:30:11 < dongs> in some retardo product that does IR
2017-03-10T10:30:22 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-10T10:30:24 < upgrdman> cool
2017-03-10T10:30:30 < dongs> but
2017-03-10T10:30:33 < dongs> what we did there is
2017-03-10T10:30:41 < dongs> when its a wall unit controller instead of IR
2017-03-10T10:30:42 < upgrdman> current mode driver?
2017-03-10T10:30:48 < dongs> it starts transmission wiht a different pattern
2017-03-10T10:30:55 < dongs> which when received tells the shit to reply without modulation
2017-03-10T10:31:04 < dongs> and just switch to regular bits that arent pulsed at 40khz
2017-03-10T10:31:16 < dongs> and after that they talk without carrier
2017-03-10T10:31:19 < upgrdman> ahh nice
2017-03-10T10:31:40 < dongs> but when its IR, the pattern is differnt, so teh shit knows to reply with 40khz carrier all the time
2017-03-10T10:31:53 < upgrdman> some homo automation stuff?
2017-03-10T10:32:16 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-10T10:32:20 < PeterM> upgrdman are you drivin' your 1w irled at the end of a 20ft cablke?
2017-03-10T10:32:28 < upgrdman> PeterM, not "yet"
2017-03-10T10:32:54 < upgrdman> one of my neighbors is a dick
2017-03-10T10:33:19 < dongs> LOL
2017-03-10T10:33:20 < PeterM> i reckon you'll be fine, just stick a reverse parallel schottky accross the back of the irled
2017-03-10T10:33:32 < dongs> upgrdman: are you gonna sneak a tv-b-gone into thier window
2017-03-10T10:33:36 < dongs> when they play tv loudly?
2017-03-10T10:33:49 < upgrdman> dongs, thinking about it
2017-03-10T10:34:26 < PeterM> im not sure i'd go tv-b-gone, jsut make it crank their aircon
2017-03-10T10:34:41 < upgrdman> or when theyre (husband and wife i presume) arguing loud as fuck, it'd be neat to randomly turn it on or someshit.
2017-03-10T10:35:01 < upgrdman> and crank up the volume
2017-03-10T10:35:14 < dongs> haha
2017-03-10T10:35:15 < PeterM> or jsut fuck wiuth them and do it at 2am randomly
2017-03-10T10:35:20 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-10T10:35:38 < upgrdman> i kinda want to induce pavlovian responses
2017-03-10T10:36:00 < PeterM> tv changes channel, dude punches wife
2017-03-10T10:36:00 < upgrdman> be a dick -> expect fuckery
2017-03-10T10:36:10 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-10T10:36:24 < stm32> dongs: some power electronics stuff
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2017-03-10T10:46:18 < ohsix> upgrdman: can't just use a big ir led?
2017-03-10T10:49:21 < upgrdman> ohsix, wouldnt reach from my pc
2017-03-10T10:49:38 < dongs> lol my cad guy asked if I'm modeling 3D objects that I put on PCB when I send him .step stuff for enclosure making
2017-03-10T10:49:56 < dongs> i was like bro if I knew how to model shit don't you think I'd be fucking making my own drawings for cutting this stuff
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2017-03-10T10:50:47 < dongs> shit like soliddongs/autocad legit scare me. i have no idea how that shit works and theres over 90000 options to do stuff and its all weird junk
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2017-03-10T10:59:00 < stm32> yeah i got a solidworks uuat
2017-03-10T10:59:14 < stm32> fuckin solidshit
2017-03-10T10:59:47 < stm32> pretty awesome program but i aint ready to drop 10k to pump around
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2017-03-10T11:07:03 < dongs> beg jones content to noise ratio is so fucking low
2017-03-10T11:08:59 < stm32> since when was that an indicator of any quality
2017-03-10T11:09:44 < ReadError> its a metric
2017-03-10T11:10:49 < stm32> mmm
2017-03-10T11:10:59 < stm32> throw a couple of them on the barbeque
2017-03-10T11:14:44 < sync_> dongs: doesn't SW have a pcb import stuff?
2017-03-10T11:14:56 < sync_> so you can import altidongs output?
2017-03-10T11:29:38 < Steffanx> Back to work stm32.
2017-03-10T11:30:00 < stm32> hi sir
2017-03-10T11:30:51 < stm32> no that is where i help u grow by showing u different ways to learn and let u see how i live and follow the rules and observe other people
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2017-03-10T11:33:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm. Solidworks i've never used. autocad is for specialied things - use autodesk inventor nowadays.
2017-03-10T11:33:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> That said,t he learnign curve is stil big.
2017-03-10T11:34:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> I haven't quite gotten the nice parametric models bit down, which you could use for electronic components neat as
2017-03-10T11:34:07 < stm32> still, even a shit eating autist can learn it
2017-03-10T11:34:41 < stm32> how good is LTspice mate
2017-03-10T11:51:31 < ReadError> solidworks is making their own EDA
2017-03-10T11:51:36 < ReadError> or they have something now maybe..
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2017-03-10T12:33:42 < Steffanx> Solidworks is cool dongs. And they offer a shitload of tutorials. Even for your level of education
2017-03-10T12:34:07 < Steffanx> (Whatever that level might be.. I assumr college dropout)
2017-03-10T12:37:01 < zyp> do they have tutorials targetted at people who got no patience for watching tutorials too?
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2017-03-10T12:39:02 < sync_> np zyp
2017-03-10T12:39:04 < sync_> no
2017-03-10T12:39:14 < zyp> aww
2017-03-10T12:40:11 < sync_> I prefer NX tho
2017-03-10T12:40:32 < Steffanx> Pdfs zyp
2017-03-10T12:40:40 < Steffanx> Its all text.
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2017-03-10T12:43:24 < stm32> http://www.yhdc.us/ENpdf/TAK12-02-20A-0.1A_en.pdf
2017-03-10T12:46:52 < karlp> stm32: phase shift: "blank"
2017-03-10T12:47:02  * karlp is measuring phase shifts on a set of CTs right now.
2017-03-10T12:47:40 < karlp> terminals numbered 1 and 3, no terminal 2?
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2017-03-10T12:54:50 < Steffanx> Or dont you have the patience to read text and watch images zyp
2017-03-10T12:58:59 < stm32> karlp: better ask china
2017-03-10T12:59:30 < stm32> CTs feeding voltage mode control loops are really smart hey
2017-03-10T12:59:31 < sync_> karlp: I seem to recall you doing stuff like that, do you know where I can get rogowski coils for energy metering for cheaper than ~4.5€?
2017-03-10T12:59:36  * stm32 slaps head with a trout
2017-03-10T13:00:42 < stm32> was thinking of rogowski coils the other day trying to remember that name
2017-03-10T13:01:01 < stm32> the big hoopy things i calls em
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2017-03-10T13:01:55 < stm32> hiiiiii Laurence
2017-03-10T13:05:56 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f14e45fcee/6350.jpg
2017-03-10T13:07:18 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f14e45fcee/6360.jpg
2017-03-10T13:07:38 < zyp> Steffanx, ah, that's easier than video tutorials
2017-03-10T13:08:09 < stm32> keks and memes from brudda laurence b
2017-03-10T13:11:51 < karlp> sync_: not really sure on the prices to be honest.  
2017-03-10T13:12:23 < karlp> The J&D rog+itnegrators I have work ok, the cheaper ones we've got from.... jianying? do not, and will change readings ifyou pick up the integrator.
2017-03-10T13:12:44 < karlp> circutor has some now too, but *shrugs* they're still all targetting high currents, so high value so high prices
2017-03-10T13:12:50 < karlp> they come in a massive range too.
2017-03-10T13:13:06 < karlp> like 40cm rog leads 15mm diameter, and 50mm leads 5mm diameter.
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2017-03-10T13:15:50 < sync_> hmm
2017-03-10T13:16:10 < sync_> someone here at the make:r space wants to make a per outlet metered pdu
2017-03-10T13:17:01 < sync_> and he wants to use stpm34 and rog, but the coils are pretty spendy
2017-03-10T13:17:23 < karlp> why rogs?
2017-03-10T13:17:29 < karlp> per outlet is low current, just use cts.
2017-03-10T13:17:44 < sync_> hmm
2017-03-10T13:17:56 < karlp> also, metered pdus are a commodoity, just buy it.
2017-03-10T13:18:12 < karlp> make:R I know. but still.
2017-03-10T13:18:34 < karlp> damnit, just snapped off the clip on this ct.
2017-03-10T13:18:41 < karlp> china trash.
2017-03-10T13:18:47 < sync_> yeah, but it turns out metered and switched per outlet is expensive
2017-03-10T13:19:19 < karlp> eyah, evolution was kinda: a) switched, b) switched and metered total c) switched and metered all.
2017-03-10T13:19:32 < karlp> and if you just want metered all, you're in the "premium" level I guess.
2017-03-10T13:19:38 < zyp> yeah, datacenter grade
2017-03-10T13:19:43 < zyp> and that shit is not cheap
2017-03-10T13:20:03 < sync_> yeah, and there is 0 competition it seems
2017-03-10T13:20:06 < sync_> there is only rittal and apc
2017-03-10T13:20:24 < karlp> no way, there's heaps of them.
2017-03-10T13:20:29 < karlp> just apc keeps buying up most of them :)
2017-03-10T13:20:44  * karlp was just skimming the data center world booklet yesterday
2017-03-10T13:22:41 < sync_> hm yeah
2017-03-10T13:22:49 < sync_> with CTs there is lots of cheapshit avalible
2017-03-10T13:23:03 < sync_> ~available
2017-03-10T13:23:52 < sync_> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/414/ttelectronics_03312016_HM31-910101.pdf looks ok
2017-03-10T13:28:39 < dongs> which remidns me, time to place that mouser ordder
2017-03-10T13:28:52 < sync_> thanks karlp
2017-03-10T13:29:13 < dongs> lol free shipping
2017-03-10T13:29:31 < stm32> nice sync_ 
2017-03-10T13:31:15 < Laurenceb_> holy shit /pol/ infiltrated bbc question tiem
2017-03-10T13:32:10 < Laurenceb_> faces of /pol/ http://i.imgur.com/HydWM8G.jpg
2017-03-10T13:32:31 < stm32> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgyIEUFuXw
2017-03-10T13:33:40 < stm32> probably australia in a nutshell
2017-03-10T13:36:25 < Laurenceb_> >>241645 I'm the one wearing a headscarf with glasses.
2017-03-10T13:36:29 < Laurenceb_> I knew it
2017-03-10T13:36:54 < stm32> pol is shit mate
2017-03-10T13:37:16 < Laurenceb_> jew shill
2017-03-10T13:37:34 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Pol/
2017-03-10T13:40:22 < stm32>  \o/
2017-03-10T13:40:30 < Laurenceb_> >mfw GCHQ is frantically getting a rapid response team over to the studio
2017-03-10T13:40:42 < karlp> not funny laurencyb
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2017-03-10T14:12:04 < karlp> sync_: what rog coils were you finding for 5€ anyway? what current range/size was that?
2017-03-10T14:13:14 < sync_> some stuff on mouser
2017-03-10T14:13:18 < sync_> let me look again
2017-03-10T14:15:07 < karlp> this was for <30A stuff though wasn't it?
2017-03-10T14:15:53 < sync_> yes
2017-03-10T14:16:14 < sync_> I can't seem to find them again, messaged make:r
2017-03-10T14:16:16 < karlp> right, i've only got rogs for >1000A
2017-03-10T14:16:31 < karlp> well, >500 sorry.
2017-03-10T14:16:38 < karlp> <1000, <2000 and <3000
2017-03-10T14:22:04 < karlp> these are the ones I'm having some issues with: http://sparkelectronic.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008833078341/pdtl/Current-sensor/1120133329/2M-length-Rogowski-coils-sensors.htm
2017-03-10T14:23:07 < dongs> globalsores
2017-03-10T14:24:25 < karlp> the text on this page is tops: http://sparkelectronic.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008833078341/pdtl/Rogowski-coil/1145074708/single-rogowski-coil.htm
2017-03-10T14:24:32 < karlp> I’m a superman, I can big or small. My coil length can between 500px to 5000px, so cool.
2017-03-10T14:24:36 < karlp> I’m a math genius and very sensitive to data, so my accuracy is perfect: ±1%.
2017-03-10T14:26:24 < stm32> yeah i'll buy the lot thanks
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2017-03-10T14:28:42 < Steffanx> Good morning KreAture_ 
2017-03-10T14:28:52 < KreAture_> hoy
2017-03-10T14:29:18  * KreAture_ is doing a state machine driven timecontrolled loop in stm32 that has to be controlled by a muschle sensor
2017-03-10T14:29:35 < KreAture_> It's hard to write such code when you can't even draw up the state diagrams
2017-03-10T14:29:36 < KreAture_> lol
2017-03-10T14:29:51 < KreAture_> whenever I try I just end up with a giant mess
2017-03-10T14:29:56 < KreAture_> it's like a ball of yarn
2017-03-10T14:30:49 < Steffanx> State diagrams are (always) a mess
2017-03-10T14:31:20 < KreAture_> yeh
2017-03-10T14:31:28 < zyp> I like doing them in graphviz
2017-03-10T14:31:43 < Laurenceb_> muscle sensor
2017-03-10T14:31:48 < Laurenceb_> sex toys confirmed
2017-03-10T14:32:02 < KreAture_> but this thing is time controlled, with state transitions based on time, but also reversing and pausing in the states through signallings and finally there are sensory data to fuck up my lovely mess
2017-03-10T14:32:05 < KreAture_> lol
2017-03-10T14:32:55 < KreAture_> I think I have it ok though but every time I go through it I find discrepancys, getting to the point now that it will either work because I fixed it, or because my willpower is actually controlling it
2017-03-10T14:33:23 < KreAture_> I'll have to stand next to the user at all time, willing the device to work
2017-03-10T14:33:26 < KreAture_> only way
2017-03-10T14:34:48 < Laurenceb_>  sensory data to fuck up my lovely ass
2017-03-10T14:34:53 < Laurenceb_> ftfy
2017-03-10T14:35:07 < Laurenceb_> state transitions based on time, but also reversing and pausing in the states through signallings
2017-03-10T14:35:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah its pretty clear
2017-03-10T14:37:00 < karlp> I like https://www.websequencediagrams.com/
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2017-03-10T14:56:57 < englishman> stm32: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfQNcH7o4gA
2017-03-10T15:01:59 < stm32> 10/10
2017-03-10T15:02:55 < stm32> and some nice power lines to finish it off
2017-03-10T15:03:13 < stm32> aspies love big power lines
2017-03-10T15:06:24 < Thorn> is msp432 relevant
2017-03-10T15:06:39 < karlp> sure
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2017-03-10T15:08:33 < Thorn> apparently it's been out for a year and I've never heard of it until a week ago
2017-03-10T15:13:17 < karlp> it's just another tname for tiva nee stellaris
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2017-03-10T15:14:20 < stm32> The innernet
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2017-03-10T16:31:31 < kakimir> englishman: is that yours?
2017-03-10T16:32:30 < kakimir> clearly canucnistain
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2017-03-10T16:55:18 < karlp> found r2commie? http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/4058/
2017-03-10T16:56:35 < englishman> yes kakimir that is my kitten
2017-03-10T16:57:06 < englishman> lol karl
2017-03-10T16:58:38 < karlp> englishman: you still want turkish peber stuff mailed or something?
2017-03-10T16:59:18 < englishman> well i actually still have a packet here from when i was in yurop in 2014
2017-03-10T16:59:29 < englishman> still good for dissolving in vodka
2017-03-10T16:59:39 < englishman> but i do think a ##stm32 cultural exchange would be fun
2017-03-10T16:59:48 < englishman> maple syrup is difficult to send in the mail unfortunately
2017-03-10T17:00:25 < karlp> I can imagine.
2017-03-10T17:00:50 < englishman> luckily there is a large variety of maple based products
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2017-03-10T17:06:08 < Thorn> >"protection VIRGIN" "protection NORMAL" "protection SECURE" "protection DEAD"
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2017-03-10T17:12:12 < aandrew> protection virgin sounds like a warrior
2017-03-10T17:16:40 < englishman> hmm was there boot0 chats earlier
2017-03-10T17:16:58 < englishman> im comparing f051k and f042k and f042k seems to have flexible boot0
2017-03-10T17:17:17 < englishman> its also PB8/i2c_scl/tim16 etc etc
2017-03-10T17:17:33 < englishman> but otherwise the two chips seems almost perfectly pin-compatible which is excellent
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2017-03-10T17:23:32 < englishman> hmm in fact tsc_sync is exclusive to that pin
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2017-03-10T17:27:29 < branjb> i got a jury duty summons
2017-03-10T17:36:13 < englishman> hmm and boot0 pin can be disabled entirely
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2017-03-10T17:44:26 < englishman> hmm, actually this is done by default!
2017-03-10T17:45:32 < englishman> thats good to know...
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2017-03-10T17:57:24 < Laurenceb> thats good to know indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckXDAYXLB4
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2017-03-10T18:48:28 < Laurenceb> sync_: ping
2017-03-10T18:49:40 < sync_> pong
2017-03-10T18:49:53 < Laurenceb> did you do anything with your rocket motors yet?
2017-03-10T18:50:31  * Laurenceb has been fitting rocket orientation in test video to simulation
2017-03-10T18:51:08 < sync_> I fired one to get a feeling how it performs
2017-03-10T18:51:18 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-03-10T18:51:36 < Laurenceb> I think it might be possible to get good results with less aggressive vanes
2017-03-10T18:52:05 < Laurenceb> its more a case of the ratio of the spin torque to the off axis torque caused by tolerances
2017-03-10T18:52:06 < sync_> possibly
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2017-03-10T19:19:11 < Laurenceb> http://www.google.com/patents/US9539077
2017-03-10T19:36:19 < karlp> Laurenceb: re less aggressive vanes: that's exactly what someone here said the other day.
2017-03-10T19:36:37 < Laurenceb> well they didnt have a reason for suggesting it :P
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2017-03-10T20:14:32 < fenugrec> might have been me. Based partly on gut feeling and didn't feel like arguing about it, heh
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2017-03-10T21:46:18 < Steffanx> Mind your words Rob235
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2017-03-10T21:53:41 < Steffanx> So how has mr Rob235 been doing?
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2017-03-10T22:17:17 < Thorn> a 2.1GHz siglent spectrum analyzer can be hacked to 3.2GHz
2017-03-10T22:22:53 < Steffanx> ok .. got some more info mr Thorn? 
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2017-03-10T22:31:19 < Thorn> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hack-of-sigllent-spectrum-analyzer-ssa3021x/
2017-03-10T22:36:13 < Thorn> looks like the hack also enables all options including TG(!)
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2017-03-10T22:40:09 < Steffanx> Too bad that thing is out of by budget with 2-5K $
2017-03-10T22:40:58 < Thorn> it's $1.5k
2017-03-10T22:41:15 < Steffanx> Not in a country like dutchland
2017-03-10T22:41:31 < Thorn> customs fees?
2017-03-10T22:42:02 < Steffanx> Nah, just when you buy it in this country
2017-03-10T22:43:07 < Thorn> it's on aliexpress, same seller I got my signal gen from
2017-03-10T22:43:50 < karlp> Laurenceb: pretty sure they had a pretty good reason: 2017-03-05T18:48:05 < fenugrec> vanes look pretty agressive for the amount of rotational momentum you want
2017-03-10T22:43:56 < karlp> you just didn't want to listen to them then ;)
2017-03-10T22:44:39 < Steffanx> I dont feel comfortable spending $1.5K on aliexpress Thorn :P
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2017-03-10T22:47:07 < Steffanx> + import taxes
2017-03-10T22:48:53 < Steffanx> And there is the "do i need it"
2017-03-10T22:51:16 < Thorn> that's what is stopping me too :/
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2017-03-10T23:10:53 < Thorn> wat is this thing http://imgur.com/a/lhN08
2017-03-10T23:11:21 < Rickta59> heating pad?
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2017-03-10T23:14:26 < karlp> Thorn: I've seen patterns like that used to test fabs too?
2017-03-10T23:14:37 < Thorn> the guy who sent me the picture says it was on some kind of CPU
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2017-03-10T23:15:23 < Thorn> it's not a peltier element, is it
2017-03-10T23:26:54 < Thorn> karlp: fabs as in pcb fabs?
2017-03-10T23:28:05 < karlp> yeah,
2017-03-10T23:30:04 < karlp> can't find the source image, but it was pcbs with a _very_ similar pattern being used to test etching evenness across boar4ds
2017-03-10T23:32:58 < karlp> this souneds kinda interesting http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1108/eb046165
2017-03-10T23:41:25 < qyx> some fractal antenna magic?
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2017-03-11T00:04:18 < karlp> heh, netbeans with  gtk look/feel, keyboard shortcuts work, but fonts are busted.
2017-03-11T00:04:29 < karlp> change to somethign else, looks better, but keyboard shortcuts are busted
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2017-03-11T00:53:49 < tcurdt> I've got a STM32F103C8T6 board and as a first step I flashed a blink program - but the on-board LED doesn't seem to care.
2017-03-11T00:56:45 < tcurdt> The flashing with the stlink seem to go through OK
2017-03-11T00:57:07 < tcurdt> GPIO_P13 should be the LED (AFAIK)
2017-03-11T00:58:11 < tcurdt> I tried directly in C as well as with the Arduino IDE
2017-03-11T00:58:53 < tcurdt> Any suggestions on how to figure out what's wrong?
2017-03-11T01:01:10 < karlp> find out what pin thee led's really on.
2017-03-11T01:01:21 < karlp> also, turn on gpio clocks for that port.
2017-03-11T01:01:25 < karlp> arduino should hav ehelped.
2017-03-11T01:05:15 < tcurdt> karlp on the board it says PC13 for the LED ... and it came with the blink preinstalled - I should saved it away before flashing :-/
2017-03-11T01:05:24 < tcurdt> I've flashed this https://gist.github.com/tcurdt/cff57c9c0868d0f5fd7725b755dae06e
2017-03-11T01:06:11 < tcurdt> this is the flash output https://gist.github.com/tcurdt/519ef7993faecc17440d4efb8a657dfd
2017-03-11T01:06:30 < tcurdt> the only thing that looks suspicious is 0/0 pages written
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2017-03-11T01:29:56 < karlp> tcurdt: what device library are you using? <stm32l/rcc.h> where does that come from?
2017-03-11T01:30:31 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HszPYsxadQY
2017-03-11T01:30:58 < karlp> tried turning your delays down?with no clock you might be running fairly slowly?
2017-03-11T01:32:27 < tcurdt> karlp I was just trying this here http://mightydevices.com/?p=121
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2017-03-11T01:34:10 < zhivko> still somebody awake? ;)
2017-03-11T01:34:57 < karlp> tcurdt: do you have an stm32l1?
2017-03-11T01:35:41 < tcurdt> karlp I got a STM32F103C8T6
2017-03-11T01:36:04  * tcurdt googles stm32l
2017-03-11T01:36:18 < upgrdman> L is the low-power series
2017-03-11T01:36:24 < upgrdman> and the periphs can be diff, iirc
2017-03-11T01:36:34 < tcurdt> doh
2017-03-11T01:36:36 < zhivko> I have problems with encoder inside chinese motor - it seems there is some bad contact inside it. If I wiggle cable of encoder it generates pulses on its own... and later on when motor spins there is no encoder signals comming out... than I move cable and it works again  - the other motor doesn't seem to have such problems at all... so I gues it is
2017-03-11T01:36:36 < zhivko>  solely to the encoder within motor...
2017-03-11T01:36:36 < zhivko> I have problems with encoder inside chinese motor - it seems there is some bad contact inside it. If I wiggle cable of encoder it generates pulses on its own... and later on when motor spins there is no encoder signals comming out... than I move cable and it works again  - the other motor doesn't seem to have such problems at all... so I gues it is
2017-03-11T01:36:36 < zhivko>  solely to the encoder within motor...
2017-03-11T01:36:36 < zhivko> I have problems with encoder inside chinese motor - it seems there is some bad contact inside it. If I wiggle cable of encoder it generates pulses on its own... and later on when motor spins there is no encoder signals comming out... than I move cable and it works again...
2017-03-11T01:36:41 < zhivko> shit
2017-03-11T01:36:42 < karlp> zhivko: pastebin
2017-03-11T01:36:44 < karlp> fuck off with that spam
2017-03-11T01:36:50 < zhivko> sorry
2017-03-11T01:37:02 < karlp> tcurdt: in particular, the L series has the GPIOs on different clocks.
2017-03-11T01:37:09 < zhivko> tried to edit box... and it was not on purpose
2017-03-11T01:37:23 < upgrdman> zhivko, was there a questions in your text?
2017-03-11T01:37:33 < zhivko> https://goo.gl/photos/SnGTY4bYjXN6UNzYA
2017-03-11T01:37:48 < zhivko> yes... what could be the reason?
2017-03-11T01:38:04 < karlp> tcurdt: if your crystal on that board says 8Mhz, https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/blob/master/examples/stm32/f1/stm32vl-discovery/fancyblink/fancyblink.c should be easy to modify the led to pc13
2017-03-11T01:38:06 < upgrdman> broken wire
2017-03-11T01:38:09 < upgrdman> corroded contact
2017-03-11T01:38:09 < upgrdman> etc
2017-03-11T01:38:10 < zhivko> I should esthe electronics inside it I guess..
2017-03-11T01:38:13 < upgrdman> just replacing the wiring.
2017-03-11T01:38:41 < zhivko> I should take it apart and check electronics - I guess...
2017-03-11T01:38:59 < karlp> that picture is just blur zhivko
2017-03-11T01:39:09 < zhivko> IT IS A VIDEO
2017-03-11T01:39:14 < zhivko> what picture?
2017-03-11T01:39:23 < zhivko> you mean picture of scope?
2017-03-11T01:39:30 < upgrdman> karlp, it just does his oscope showing glitches when he wiggles his cable
2017-03-11T01:39:44 < karlp> oh, didn't look like a video, didn't click on it further.
2017-03-11T01:39:45 < upgrdman> classic intermittent shit
2017-03-11T01:39:48 < karlp> video didn't play anyway.
2017-03-11T01:39:53 < karlp> but yeah, shitty wires and assembly.
2017-03-11T01:40:16 < zhivko> I have put TVS diodes
2017-03-11T01:40:30 < zhivko> this one: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/bourns-inc/CD143A-SR3.3/CD143A-SR3.3CT-ND/1630598
2017-03-11T01:41:02 < zhivko> And funny thing is the bottom doesn go to GND it stays on 700mV
2017-03-11T01:41:22 < upgrdman> zhivko, maybe open-drain the a BJT then
2017-03-11T01:41:27 < upgrdman> s/the/with
2017-03-11T01:41:56 < zhivko> what this means? sorry?
2017-03-11T01:42:06 < upgrdman> a type of transistor.
2017-03-11T01:42:20 < upgrdman> and when on, they often can't pull below 0.6 - 0.7V
2017-03-11T01:42:25 < upgrdman> google "npn bjt"
2017-03-11T01:42:35 < zhivko> ok
2017-03-11T01:43:20 < zhivko> this bottom  0.7V instead 0V should make no problem for stm32f3 I guess?
2017-03-11T01:43:32 < upgrdman> should be fine
2017-03-11T01:43:41 < upgrdman> but try and see
2017-03-11T01:45:50 < zhivko> hmm.. what should I look for in datasheet to get this voltage when it take is as logic 1 ?
2017-03-11T01:45:57 < zhivko> take it
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2017-03-11T01:53:31 < tcurdt> karlp I am a bit confused ... doesn't st provide the standard libraries/header files?  ... what's the need for ibopencm3?
2017-03-11T01:54:29 < zyp> it's an alternative
2017-03-11T01:54:42 < zyp> you'd choose one or the other
2017-03-11T01:55:28 < stm32> yeah hiv or gonorrhea 
2017-03-11T01:55:54 < tcurdt> :)
2017-03-11T01:56:26 < stm32> i program my stm32 with punch cards
2017-03-11T01:56:38 < zyp> the st libs used to have a less permissive license than it does now which made it unsuitable for certain projects
2017-03-11T01:56:45 < zyp> I think that's one of the reasons libopencm3 exists
2017-03-11T01:57:07 < stm32> i see
2017-03-11T01:57:16 < zyp> and not everybody likes the api of the st lib either
2017-03-11T01:57:40 < emeb> zyp: thx for bootloader stuffs the other day - got that starting to work now.
2017-03-11T01:57:46 < zyp> np
2017-03-11T01:58:29 < emeb> had a bit of a hiccup - the ST startup code sets VTOR to FLASH_BASE & so secondary code would fail as soon as an IRQ happened. :P
2017-03-11T01:58:34 < emeb> just commented that out.
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2017-03-11T02:01:06 < zyp> heh, stupid
2017-03-11T02:01:27 < zyp> although, shouldn't FLASH_BASE in that case include the bootloader offset?
2017-03-11T02:01:30 < tcurdt> zyp as a stm32 newbie where would you recommend to start with? seems like libopencm3 is does not even have a release yet and the copyleft license does not make things that much easier
2017-03-11T02:02:02 < fenugrec> the st usbfs code is also not great, but I wouldn't say locm3 is incredible in this respect
2017-03-11T02:02:04 < emeb> zyp: FLASH_BASE is defined in the ST headers as start of flash - it's used for other things such as determining if an address is in flash space.
2017-03-11T02:02:16 < zyp> tcurdt, I guess that depends what your goal is
2017-03-11T02:02:21 < emeb> so best not to tweak that value
2017-03-11T02:02:23 < fenugrec> tcurdt locm3 doesn't work with "releases" really
2017-03-11T02:03:14 < zyp> libopencm3 is usable and then some, and LGPL isn't too hard to comply with even if you want to do a closed source project
2017-03-11T02:03:45 < zyp> fenugrec, well, obviously my usb code is better ;)
2017-03-11T02:04:28 < zyp> tcurdt, also, which host platform are you working on?
2017-03-11T02:04:46 < fenugrec> zyp to be fair I haven't looked much at yours, does it do vendor requests ? ZLP ? "automatic" packet splitting
2017-03-11T02:04:46 < zyp> if you're on windows, libopencm3 is probably not for you
2017-03-11T02:05:02 < zyp> yes, yes, not yet, in that order
2017-03-11T02:05:27 < tcurdt> zyp there is linking exception with LGPL - but that's not really that great either.
2017-03-11T02:05:32 < tcurdt> zyp I am on macOS
2017-03-11T02:05:43 < tcurdt> or linux
2017-03-11T02:05:51 < tcurdt> but mostly macOS
2017-03-11T02:05:55 < zyp> fenugrec, I didn't know a lot about usb when I wrote it, so the api is not optimal, but I haven't found time to rewrite it yet
2017-03-11T02:06:01 < zyp> tcurdt, ah, same
2017-03-11T02:06:27 < zyp> if you're used to working with unix tools, you'd probably be comfortable with libopencm3
2017-03-11T02:06:58 < zyp> I'd probably consider libopencm3 if I started out fresh today
2017-03-11T02:07:47 < tcurdt> zyp very much a unix guy ... while I also tried to get the blinking working with arduino I am really not a fan of that IDE thingy
2017-03-11T02:08:44 < zyp> give libopencm3 a chance then
2017-03-11T02:09:20 < zyp> also, for a closed source project to comply with LGPL, you'd have to provide linkable object files
2017-03-11T02:09:24 < zyp> that's all there's to it
2017-03-11T02:11:08 < zyp> otherwise, if you're feeling adventourous, you could look at my lib: http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/
2017-03-11T02:11:14 < zyp> but it's not very mature
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2017-03-11T02:12:06 < zyp> it has some parts that I'm happy with, but it only supports the stuff I've needed to do so far, so it's very much incomplete
2017-03-11T02:14:22 < zyp> I wouldn't recommend actually using it for something serious unless you're prepared to add missing parts yourself when you need to
2017-03-11T02:15:30 < tcurdt> I guess my needs are very limited at this stage ... GPIO, SPI (for LCD), interrupts
2017-03-11T02:16:03 < tcurdt> at some stage reading a SD card and some USB communication would be nice - but that's still far out
2017-03-11T02:16:54 < tcurdt> first step is to get the darn blinking working :-p
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2017-03-11T02:20:43 < stm32> yeh this is prime support channel for open source toolchain
2017-03-11T02:21:34 < kakimir> *official trolls of stm32
2017-03-11T02:21:59 < kakimir> look at that guys nickname
2017-03-11T02:22:08 < kakimir> guy's
2017-03-11T02:22:28 < stm32> eh?
2017-03-11T02:23:24 < Peter_M> [08:07] <Thorn> wat is this thing http://imgur.com/a/lhN08 - it looks like one of those security screens they pot into things so if you break a trace (ie drill through it or osmething) it breaks the circuit and the device drops the data held in backed sram
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2017-03-11T02:24:58 < karlp> Peter_M: ahhh, nice.
2017-03-11T02:25:26 < Thorn> data like cipher keys?
2017-03-11T02:25:31 < stm32> so like an eftpos terminal or some niggernet
2017-03-11T02:25:59 < Peter_M> yeah yeah
2017-03-11T02:27:09 < Thorn> I'll ask the guy wth exactly he decommissioned
2017-03-11T02:28:45 < Peter_M> im not certain that is what it is but it looks a lot like it, but other suggestions my also be true, like the  heater, could also be some kind of shielding
2017-03-11T02:29:03 < Thorn> apparently you're right
2017-03-11T02:29:37 < stm32> he always right
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2017-03-11T02:31:53 < fenugrec> electric hand warmer ? heh
2017-03-11T02:36:43 < upgrdman> i wonder if anyone in here uses comic sans or equiv in their IDEs    http://imgur.com/a/Xu9CD
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2017-03-11T02:40:14 < zyp> dongs posted some thermapp screenshots with a stupid font
2017-03-11T02:40:34 < upgrdman> ya i remember that
2017-03-11T02:40:38 < upgrdman> some girly fag font
2017-03-11T02:40:54 < upgrdman> called Cookies or someshit like that
2017-03-11T02:41:08 < Thorn> it's his system font
2017-03-11T02:41:13 < Peter_M> lol
2017-03-11T02:41:26 < Thorn> scamfont.ttf
2017-03-11T02:42:30 < Peter_M> im a fan of Roboto, its easy to read and pretty clean
2017-03-11T02:43:13 < upgrdman> in my ide's i like consolas (win) or monaco (mac)
2017-03-11T02:45:13 < zyp> I think monaco is what I use too
2017-03-11T02:46:19 < Peter_M> i think the only thing i dont like about roboto is it isnt monospaced
2017-03-11T02:46:26 < Peter_M> and tbh thats a pretty big problem
2017-03-11T02:46:59 < aandrew> you can't code in a font that isn't monospaced
2017-03-11T02:47:04 < aandrew> that makes me twitch just thinking about it
2017-03-11T02:47:46 < Peter_M> without my glasses on i can read proportional font but not monospaced
2017-03-11T02:47:59 < Peter_M> so thats why i like proportional fonts
2017-03-11T02:56:25 < ohsix> lul
2017-03-11T02:56:34 < ohsix> there's someone in here for a meeting tha tknows some execs at invensense
2017-03-11T02:56:36 < ReadError> Hack is a gr8 font
2017-03-11T02:56:44 < ohsix> do i ask for dmp documentation y/n
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2017-03-11T02:57:33 < dongs> roboto sounds like some LUNIX OPENSAUCE FONT
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2017-03-11T02:58:47 < tcurdt> zyp the "getting started experience" isn't really great with libopencm3 ... I was trying to rip out the miniblink example but it has references up til the project root (Makefile.include, rules.mk, stm32-maple.ld)
2017-03-11T02:59:26 < tcurdt> would be nice if the examples would be more self-contained
2017-03-11T02:59:49 < ohsix> denied
2017-03-11T02:59:50 < ohsix> k
2017-03-11T02:59:53 < ohsix> haha, was worth a shot
2017-03-11T02:59:55 < ohsix> bl
2017-03-11T03:01:11 < Thorn> tcurdt: you can suggest that on #libopencm3
2017-03-11T03:01:23 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/thumb/f14e45fcee/6475_md.JPG
2017-03-11T03:01:32 < dongs> would be even nicer if that shit wasnt a mess of 2000+ folders
2017-03-11T03:01:37 < stm32> wb laurencebrit
2017-03-11T03:01:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> tcurdt, I was vaguely talking about that yesterday in #libopencm3. I agree. But I do understand why it is as it is
2017-03-11T03:01:49 < Thorn> there is a non-zero chance of it being implemented within a finite time
2017-03-11T03:02:09 < stm32> the theory of open source 
2017-03-11T03:02:11 < stm32> by Thorn 
2017-03-11T03:02:14 < dongs> just gotta hire more monkeys banging away at keyboards
2017-03-11T03:02:18 < stm32> ^
2017-03-11T03:02:34 < stm32> if infinite time elapses monkeys will surely complete linux
2017-03-11T03:03:01 < dongs> complete lunix, haha
2017-03-11T03:03:19 < dongs> not until they rewrite everything 20x over
2017-03-11T03:04:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> In C. Always
2017-03-11T03:04:50 < stm32> ah
2017-03-11T03:08:09 < upgrdman> anyone know if super fast memory is on the horizon? would be kinda neat to see a day when caches are no longer necessary. would kinda be like how SSDs replaced HDDs for many use cases.
2017-03-11T03:08:34 < upgrdman> fast as in latency AND bandwidth
2017-03-11T03:09:30 < dongs> check amp results
2017-03-11T03:09:32 < Thorn> >“Money can buy bandwidth, but reducing latency involves bribing God.” – attributed variously
2017-03-11T03:09:52 < dongs> various dongs
2017-03-11T03:10:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> It takes about 62.5ms to get to the other side of the earth at light speed eh?
2017-03-11T03:16:23 < stm32> dong speed
2017-03-11T03:18:03 < dongs> what should I do today
2017-03-11T03:18:09 < stm32> LLC 
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2017-03-11T03:21:02 < upgrdman> if anyone cares: linaro is posting assloads of seminars on their youtube channel
2017-03-11T03:21:16 < upgrdman> but if theyre like the few i looked at years past, theyre all boring as fuck :/
2017-03-11T03:23:00 < kakimir> some ay they dig a hole thru earth to reduce latency?
2017-03-11T03:23:33 < Laurenceb_> nah they use ur mums hole
2017-03-11T03:23:55  * Laurenceb_ went on Tindr for the first time today
2017-03-11T03:24:17 < Laurenceb_> truly horrifying, worse than every stereotype
2017-03-11T03:26:03 < stm32> right
2017-03-11T03:26:09 < stm32> but what about electronics?
2017-03-11T03:26:31 < Laurenceb_> I got invited to take part in some cuckoldry, but turned it down
2017-03-11T03:28:45 < stm32> okie
2017-03-11T03:29:33 < kakimir> you didn't get sex
2017-03-11T03:32:55 < kakimir> join the decadence
2017-03-11T03:32:56 < stm32> shecks
2017-03-11T03:41:05 < kakimir> I try to find pvc pipe for an antenna
2017-03-11T03:41:35 < stm32> okay
2017-03-11T03:41:54 < kakimir> not wide one but like really small one
2017-03-11T03:42:35 < kakimir> 1" max
2017-03-11T03:46:15 < ohsix> another guy here just claimed he worked on the google mystery barge
2017-03-11T03:46:22 < ohsix> related to google glass
2017-03-11T03:46:31 < stm32> are you trying to phone home mate?
2017-03-11T03:46:46 < ohsix> just said 'it is like an apple store on a boat', to sell google glass
2017-03-11T03:47:31 < ohsix> oh bah this is public info now
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2017-03-11T03:50:48 < dongs> http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/fbi-investigation-continues-into-odd-computer-link-between-russian-bank-and-trump-organization/index.html lol
2017-03-11T03:51:04 < stm32> bad senpai
2017-03-11T03:51:18 < Laurenceb_> shit got messaged by grrrl I know irl
2017-03-11T03:51:27 < dongs> owned
2017-03-11T03:51:33 < Laurenceb_> wtf shit gets nastier
2017-03-11T03:51:54 < Laurenceb_> ok deleting this tindr shit before I get literal aids
2017-03-11T03:52:20 < stm32> DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING
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2017-03-11T03:54:38 < stm32> i read an epic article on a CP raid, apparently the police kicked the door down to find some chink attacking his computer with a sword
2017-03-11T03:56:19 < dongs> PaulFertser: looks like aarch64 stuff got merged, my pal was even surprised it worked
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2017-03-11T04:15:11 < aandrew> well I got the mb, ssd and video card for the new ryzen system
2017-03-11T04:15:16 < aandrew> cpu and ram should arrive monday
2017-03-11T04:15:31 < dongs> wat
2017-03-11T04:15:48 < sync_> adopting early
2017-03-11T04:17:14 < aandrew> nah
2017-03-11T04:17:33 < aandrew> getting paid to have an AMD system (testing gfx drivers)
2017-03-11T04:17:44 < aandrew> hoping to parlay it into an embedded contract at AMD
2017-03-11T04:17:55 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw
2017-03-11T04:23:40 < stm32> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eEMDfUwS3o
2017-03-11T04:26:02 < dongs> no
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2017-03-11T04:27:59 < stm32> that was for giving me a dud link
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2017-03-11T04:38:12 < ColdKeyboard> I need a suggestion. If I want to make ethernet-to-usb device, in particular something like I connect USB flash on one side, provide ethernet on another and I would get an FTP server or something like that on the network so I can access those files. What would you suggest?
2017-03-11T04:39:33 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: http://www.iodata.jp/product/lan/device-server/etg-dsus-hs/
2017-03-11T04:39:43 < dongs> usb2hs -> ethernet
2017-03-11T04:44:28 < ColdKeyboard> What would you suggest for me if I wanted to build one for my self?
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2017-03-11T04:52:52 < dongs> any $25 chinawifishit with some opensores firmware on it will do that
2017-03-11T04:57:49 < aandrew> yeah
2017-03-11T04:57:57 < aandrew> I've *never* had good success with usb over anything
2017-03-11T04:58:04 < aandrew> I blame drivers
2017-03-11T04:58:29 < aandrew> there's no reason the driver has to time out 11 nanoseconds after the request went out
2017-03-11T04:58:53 < aandrew> yet most drivers are like ZOMGWTF HOLY FUCK SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG I DIDN"T GET A RESPONSE IN 11 NANOFUCKS
2017-03-11T04:58:56 < dongs> http://www.welivesecurity.com/2017/03/09/new-instagram-credentials-stealers-discovered-google-play/
2017-03-11T04:59:00 < dongs> lol inazigram
2017-03-11T04:59:12 < dongs> i see wat they did there
2017-03-11T04:59:14 < ColdKeyboard> I'm thinking of making my own. As an opurtunity to learn new stuff
2017-03-11T04:59:36 < aandrew> usb over RDP, usb over net, etc. all fail
2017-03-11T04:59:40 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: sure you can just do it on stm32, its just gonna be slow as fuck
2017-03-11T05:00:01 < dongs> lwip can do ftp server, F4/whatever has USB host mode.
2017-03-11T05:02:04 < ColdKeyboard> How long would it take to transfer for example ~20MB file?
2017-03-11T05:02:25 < ColdKeyboard> I could use M4 then with ethernet + USB host + fatfs or something like that?
2017-03-11T05:13:42 < dongs> 1) usb-fs, 12mbit speed. max 1500kb/sec theoretically, probly half that really. so 700k/sec on USB part, but you gotta do all the reads/copies/etc and involve CPU in a lot of tasks, fo you're really limited by 168mhz / 2 bus matrix or wahtever, I'm gonna guess a bruteforce approach would probably do you about 100-200k/sec max if youre lucky
2017-03-11T05:16:38 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/w4wzog3q5oky.jpg
2017-03-11T05:17:14 < stm32> thanks upgrdman 
2017-03-11T05:17:18 < aandrew> the fuck?
2017-03-11T05:17:34 < upgrdman> stm32, np
2017-03-11T05:18:02 < upgrdman> aandrew, here's a blurb on it:  Are you curious? Or are you serious? Ball spreading isn’t for everyone. But if you’re among the select few up for separating the boys a bit, you may have found the intense sensation enhancer you’ve been searching for. That, and a feeling of beautiful snugness like you’ve never felt before. The comfort ring around your shaft acts like a regular cock ring, retaining extra blood in your pe
2017-03-11T05:18:02 < upgrdman> nis for steely-hard erections. And the snugness of separating your balls a bit somehow makes everything down there more sensitive, the sensations more intense, and the orgasms more explosive.
2017-03-11T05:18:36 < ReadError> dongs: missed opportunity on bigmatix.com 
2017-03-11T05:19:28 < stm32> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/2/29/Jimmy_Savile_Big_Cigar.jpg
2017-03-11T05:20:07 < dongs> ReadError: what is it
2017-03-11T05:20:38 < ReadError> a giant fabulous ascii scrolling by 
2017-03-11T05:20:48 < dongs> i know what bigmatix is you stupid fucking faggot
2017-03-11T05:20:52 < ReadError> right im sayin
2017-03-11T05:20:56 < ReadError> the site it would be cool if it played it
2017-03-11T05:21:02 < dongs> ya well
2017-03-11T05:21:45 < stm32> playing ascii in ##stm32 
2017-03-11T05:21:54 < ReadError> give upgrdman a heart attack again
2017-03-11T05:22:11 < upgrdman> heh
2017-03-11T05:22:20 < dongs> typical cockring day in stm32
2017-03-11T05:22:26 < stm32> hmmmmmm
2017-03-11T05:22:34 < stm32> why nobody like electronics anymore
2017-03-11T05:23:11 < stm32> methinks i'm gonna blowup ltspice
2017-03-11T05:29:49 < jadew`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vawJ7nic888
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2017-03-11T05:34:07 < stm32> jadw
2017-03-11T05:34:19 < stm32> how many of your designs have been cloned today?
2017-03-11T05:34:39 < stm32> l00k out 4 ~~dA-kL0Nerz~~
2017-03-11T05:34:52 < ReadError> more than u
2017-03-11T05:35:09 < stm32> yah thats coz they're in the vault with the jewg0ld
2017-03-11T05:35:11 < jadew`> don't know, but I have one that's probably going to get cloned soon
2017-03-11T05:35:19 < stm32> heh
2017-03-11T05:35:39 < jadew`> I should get some powerful laser to remove the markings off of chips
2017-03-11T05:36:19 < stm32> better still pot your whole project in cement
2017-03-11T05:36:38 < jadew`> but then they can break the cement and still find the markings
2017-03-11T05:36:51 < stm32> not if its 500mm thick
2017-03-11T05:36:54 < aandrew> don't waste you rfucking time with that shit
2017-03-11T05:37:14 < aandrew> if htey're serious about decapping it it costs them next to nothign to decap it and look at the silicon markings
2017-03-11T05:37:23 < stm32> beg jones loves it
2017-03-11T05:37:51 < stm32> find the NSA wifi transceivers built into your skylake cpu
2017-03-11T05:38:27 < branjb> anyone use kicad?  the stm32 default libraries don't even fit on the schematic, do you normally just make your own?
2017-03-11T05:38:45 < stm32> i did use kicad for some designs
2017-03-11T05:38:48 < dongs> we solve t his by not using kikecad
2017-03-11T05:39:00 < branjb> ie, http://imgur.com/a/SQzgr
2017-03-11T05:39:01 < stm32> considering the price, its better than eagle
2017-03-11T05:39:20 < jadew`> lol branjb 
2017-03-11T05:39:25 < stm32> why even list everyfuckingthing
2017-03-11T05:39:25 < branjb> like
2017-03-11T05:39:33 < jadew`> make the sheet bigger
2017-03-11T05:39:56 < branjb> idk i just dropped the default stm32f4 schematic
2017-03-11T05:39:57 < stm32> PC4/YOURSISTER/THIS/THAT/SOMETHINGTHAT'LLNEVERBEUSED
2017-03-11T05:40:01 < branjb> and was like that looks wrong
2017-03-11T05:40:05 < branjb> >post to ##stm32
2017-03-11T05:40:15 < stm32> >always post to ##stm32 
2017-03-11T05:40:41 < stm32> i ask electronics qn here coz ##electronics is too stoned
2017-03-11T05:41:02 < ReadError> freenode electronics isnt even stoned
2017-03-11T05:41:07 < ReadError> just mega 'sperged
2017-03-11T05:41:10 < jadew`> speaking of questions, how do I go about measuring high voltage rails?
2017-03-11T05:41:15 < jadew`> like 10 kV
2017-03-11T05:41:26 < stm32> a big divider
2017-03-11T05:41:44 < jadew`> how about safety? should I wear some gloves or something?
2017-03-11T05:41:56 < stm32> ummm
2017-03-11T05:42:01 < upgrdman> jadew`, that was some post on dickaday about that
2017-03-11T05:42:02 < stm32> up to you
2017-03-11T05:42:10 < fenugrec> are you sure you should be working on 10kV stuff if you have to ask that
2017-03-11T05:42:16 < upgrdman> and some virgin made a big ass resistor divider in a PVC pipe or someshit
2017-03-11T05:42:19 < stm32> i sometimes run up big amplifiers naked
2017-03-11T05:42:24 < stm32> wearing nothing but a cock ring
2017-03-11T05:42:28 < jadew`> fenugrec, we all have to start somewhere
2017-03-11T05:42:38 < branjb> jadew`: how do you make kicad sheets bigger?
2017-03-11T05:42:52 < jadew`> branjb, file -> properties I think
2017-03-11T05:42:54 < stm32> i changed the page size back in 2014
2017-03-11T05:42:59 < stm32> that worked for me lol
2017-03-11T05:43:01 < branjb> lol
2017-03-11T05:43:14 < stm32> i know its not right but using kicad isn't either
2017-03-11T05:43:35 < jadew`> upgrdman, I don't think the PVC pipe would help much, the resistors simply need to be long
2017-03-11T05:43:52 < branjb> stm32 what do you use
2017-03-11T05:43:59 < jadew`> and/or sealed, so the electrons can't jump through
2017-03-11T05:44:04 < stm32> altium if the choice is there 
2017-03-11T05:44:08 < upgrdman> jadew`, ya i think the pipe was just something he could hold onto
2017-03-11T05:44:13 < branjb> what if no license and broke
2017-03-11T05:44:16 < stm32> otherwise kicad
2017-03-11T05:44:18 < branjb> lol
2017-03-11T05:44:22 < jadew`> ah, I see
2017-03-11T05:44:29 < stm32> i can't suggest a better option for $0 budget
2017-03-11T05:44:46 < stm32> mr dong said diptrace is great for the price
2017-03-11T05:45:09 < stm32> iirc the pro edition can be had for ~1000USD
2017-03-11T05:46:34 < upgrdman> for $0, just use altium + crack
2017-03-11T05:46:36 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/7mtfX
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2017-03-11T05:46:39 < branjb> i figured it out
2017-03-11T05:46:42 < upgrdman> and stick it in a vm if you dont trust it
2017-03-11T05:46:43 < branjb> is there a crack for altium?
2017-03-11T05:46:46 < upgrdman> lots
2017-03-11T05:46:46 < branjb> i thought that shit phoned home
2017-03-11T05:46:59 < stm32> well prolly
2017-03-11T05:46:59 < upgrdman> na
2017-03-11T05:47:05 < stm32> but krak n all
2017-03-11T05:47:09 < upgrdman> theres license files for offline use, and theyve been cracked
2017-03-11T05:47:17 < jadew`> it can't phone home if it's in a VM that only has access to the internal network
2017-03-11T05:47:30 < stm32> so they say
2017-03-11T05:47:39 < upgrdman> and i know for sure that at least one person in the us military uses altium, legit license, on a pc on a network with no internet.
2017-03-11T05:47:47 < stm32> of course
2017-03-11T05:47:52 < stm32> why wouldn't ya
2017-03-11T05:48:20 < stm32> if i really wanted to steal it, i'd just find some core2quad shitbox for $2.00
2017-03-11T05:48:40 < jadew`> personally, I don't need the hassle
2017-03-11T05:48:57 < stm32> run it in a faraday cage with a diesel generator slowly gassing you to death
2017-03-11T05:48:57 < jadew`> kicad is okish, just wish it progressed faster
2017-03-11T05:49:01 < stm32> does that make sense?
2017-03-11T05:49:30 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-11T05:49:35 < branjb> lol
2017-03-11T05:49:50 < dongs> $lunix_software sucks, i just wish it sucked less while I try to slwoly use ie
2017-03-11T05:49:55 < dongs> it
2017-03-11T05:50:16 < stm32> did somebody put a gun to your head dongs
2017-03-11T05:50:24 < stm32> dongs using lunix i don't buy it
2017-03-11T05:50:37 < jadew`> pretty sure he has plenty of experience with linux
2017-03-11T05:50:47 < jadew`> he's a vim user
2017-03-11T05:50:57 < stm32> yeah i've thrown up into  a toilet bowl too
2017-03-11T05:51:01 < dongs> since yall didnt get the joke lemme try this asgain
2017-03-11T05:51:07 < stm32> i got it
2017-03-11T05:51:09 < dongs> <jadew> $lunix_software sucks, i just wish it sucked less while I try to slwoly use it
2017-03-11T05:51:13 < stm32> just preteding i didn't
2017-03-11T05:51:16 < jadew`> I got it the first time
2017-03-11T05:51:19 < dongs> k
2017-03-11T05:51:26 < stm32> gotta pump sometimes
2017-03-11T05:52:47 < stm32> how much shekels for PSIM
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2017-03-11T05:54:53 < dongs> wtf is psim
2017-03-11T05:55:07 < stm32> circuit sim for power electronics primarily
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2017-03-11T06:12:54 < PaulFertser> dongs: if he uses a board which doesn't have an upstream config yet, he should feel free to contribute it.
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2017-03-11T06:43:37 < ReadError> WEAPONIZED AUTISM
2017-03-11T06:43:45 < ReadError> amazing stuff
2017-03-11T06:50:33 < stm32> very effective tool
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2017-03-11T07:19:00 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-11T07:19:10 < ohsix> lul, weirdest people come in for meetings
2017-03-11T07:19:41 < ohsix> dude before google dude was also from bay area and talked for a while about how people end up here in bend
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2017-03-11T07:20:01 < ohsix> ... and the other two were from the bay area and ended up in bend
2017-03-11T07:25:29 < ohsix> pal who's work i dug ages ago ended up in bend
2017-03-11T07:25:54 < ohsix> now pal, then just a guy who's stuff i liked and shared/used a lot
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2017-03-11T08:10:15 < stm32> PeterM: you missed ReadError's pumping
2017-03-11T08:13:05  * stm32 passes PeterM a wendy
2017-03-11T08:13:58 < ReadError> excuse me? a WHAT?
2017-03-11T08:14:17 < stm32> ascii you pumper
2017-03-11T08:14:52 < ReadError> maybe if it gets really dead ill kick off a bigmatix
2017-03-11T08:14:56 < ReadError> and just let it ride
2017-03-11T08:15:05 < stm32> ya man
2017-03-11T08:15:07 < ReadError> until b&
2017-03-11T08:15:11 < stm32> everyone will enjoy it
2017-03-11T08:15:15 < stm32> especially senpai
2017-03-11T08:15:32 < stm32> clone&flood
2017-03-11T08:16:34 < stm32> kloeri loves that stuff
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2017-03-11T08:16:44 < ReadError> no senpai is anti pump 
2017-03-11T08:17:12 < ReadError> I even have a pump army botnet 
2017-03-11T08:17:15 < ReadError> all legal ofc
2017-03-11T08:17:30 < ReadError> for maximum pumps per second
2017-03-11T08:18:33 < stm32> ofc he doesn't like it
2017-03-11T08:18:56 < stm32> got some mean sploits to load ya botz maaate
2017-03-11T08:20:23 < ReadError> nah they are all beater boxes
2017-03-11T08:20:30 < ReadError> like ones I actually own
2017-03-11T08:20:36 < ReadError> but dont care about
2017-03-11T08:20:42 < ReadError> treat em like prostitutes 
2017-03-11T08:20:59 < stm32> yeah
2017-03-11T08:21:23 < stm32> the motherfukkin ddossssssss king
2017-03-11T08:21:49 < stm32> dickears gets out his SQLi scanner
2017-03-11T08:23:25 < stm32> i have a funny story bout a ddos king from au
2017-03-11T08:24:02 < stm32> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSnGfq-hmqg
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2017-03-11T08:36:15 < dohzer> I'm having trouble with my startup code. I'm using GCC with Eclipse and it seems to not be able to find "__libc_init_array".
2017-03-11T08:36:22 < dohzer> init.c:(.text.__libc_init_array+0x38): undefined reference to `_init'
2017-03-11T08:36:45 < dohzer> if I add a blank init() function, it fixes it
2017-03-11T08:37:09 < dohzer> but it isn't complaining about not being able to find SystemInit even though I don't have that code
2017-03-11T08:47:55 < ReadError> pretty slick system letsencrypt has these days
2017-03-11T08:48:00 < ReadError> been a hot while since I used em
2017-03-11T08:48:28 < englishman> ive been using zerossl.com
2017-03-11T08:48:42 < englishman> for shared hosts that support ssl that i cant script myself
2017-03-11T08:48:52 < englishman> but yea
2017-03-11T08:49:03 < englishman> its even easier than the free jewish certs
2017-03-11T08:58:08 < ReadError> ya for quick shit that only you will be using, nbd
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2017-03-11T08:58:20 < ReadError> its super easy now
2017-03-11T08:58:24 < ReadError> compared to a few years ago
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2017-03-11T10:02:24 < rue_shop3> interesting
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2017-03-11T10:11:15 < stm32> http://i.imgur.com/GlOc1ko.jpg
2017-03-11T10:11:48 < PaulFertser> dohzer: that's expected if you do not use standard startup. dummy _init is ok unless you need to use C++ and global objects.
2017-03-11T10:15:56 < dohzer> cheers PaulFertser, I've never really noticed it before. I don't need any code in there to intialise bss sections or anything do I? What's .init normally used for?
2017-03-11T10:16:17 < PaulFertser> dohzer: your startup should init bss sections
2017-03-11T10:16:32 < PaulFertser> Complex initialisation of globals, calling constructors etc.
2017-03-11T10:20:51 < dohzer> cheers for the info~!
2017-03-11T10:25:31 < PaulFertser> Welcome
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2017-03-11T10:43:28 < upgrdman> damn this is so tempting
2017-03-11T10:43:29 < upgrdman> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicursaminipro
2017-03-11T10:47:18 < Steffanx> Not really :P
2017-03-11T10:47:53 < stm32> how ya doin' stanley?
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2017-03-11T11:04:49 < stm32> where is PeterM 
2017-03-11T11:18:06 < stm32> pls
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2017-03-11T11:20:26 < PeterM> pliz wot
2017-03-11T11:21:26 < stm32> hi ptr
2017-03-11T11:21:33 < stm32> what's up
2017-03-11T11:23:26 < PeterM> nm
2017-03-11T11:24:05 < stm32> same
2017-03-11T11:24:11 < stm32> wish i had some illicit drugs
2017-03-11T11:26:31 < ReadError> pumpin bigmatix on teh efnet
2017-03-11T11:26:36 < ReadError> see how long b4 ban
2017-03-11T11:26:47 < stm32> u tell me
2017-03-11T11:26:58 < ReadError> duno yet
2017-03-11T11:42:04 < Steffanx> How long b4 i care?
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2017-03-11T11:43:27 < stm32> a long tine
2017-03-11T11:43:29 < stm32> time
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2017-03-11T11:54:06 < ReadError> very long time
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2017-03-11T11:56:55 < stm32> the king of hydrogen
2017-03-11T11:57:14 < stm32> and heroin
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2017-03-11T12:03:44 < stm32> Rofl
2017-03-11T12:04:37 < stm32> The cat toppled a half empty beer bottle off the kitchen island bench and took off like a bullet
2017-03-11T12:04:53 < Steffanx> Stop o6ing
2017-03-11T12:04:59 < stm32> Hi
2017-03-11T12:31:22 < ReadError>  # wc -l ascii/bigmatix.txt 
2017-03-11T12:31:22 < ReadError> 4950 ascii/bigmatix.txt
2017-03-11T12:31:27 < ReadError> still pumpin lol
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2017-03-11T12:36:39 < Steffanx> fyi, still dont care ReadError :P
2017-03-11T12:37:06 < ReadError> sorry for making chats
2017-03-11T12:37:09 < ReadError> ill go back to not
2017-03-11T12:37:58 < Steffanx> Professional party pooper
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2017-03-11T13:43:11 < Thorn> > In response to that post, I constructed a proof in the form of an implementation of Smallfuck – a known Turing-complete language – entirely in the Rust type system.
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2017-03-11T14:37:19 < dongs> whats a turding complete language
2017-03-11T14:37:53 < dongs> googled, sounds worthless
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2017-03-11T17:32:17 < dongs> https://newrepublic.com/article/140948/bluexit-blue-states-exit-trump-red-america lol
2017-03-11T17:32:45 < Steffanx> tldr; but the title says it all i guess
2017-03-11T17:32:51 < dongs> pretty much
2017-03-11T17:32:56 < dongs> i didnt even read and wont, either
2017-03-11T17:33:12 < dongs> if they're getting THAT excited over blue vs red...
2017-03-11T17:34:35 < dongs> k bedtime
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2017-03-11T17:56:37 < englishman> visual approach to st maarten http://christinenegroni.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Christine-Garner-photo-WestJet-go-around.jpg
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2017-03-11T18:07:54 < Steffanx> They have nice beaches there too. Where jets blow you into the sea
2017-03-11T18:13:01 < kakimir> european union in americas
2017-03-11T18:20:02 < kakimir> my phone had 8pin micro-b usb connector
2017-03-11T18:20:12 < kakimir> anyone can find it in ebay or so?
2017-03-11T18:20:18 < kakimir> I get only crap
2017-03-11T18:20:26 < kakimir> eats>
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2017-03-11T18:38:01 < Steffanx> What phone is that kakimir?
2017-03-11T18:38:32 < kakimir> xcover2
2017-03-11T18:38:41 < kakimir> last proper xxover
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2017-03-11T19:07:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKc2l6NGtmcjFfX1U/view?usp=sharing I have burned my esd mat
2017-03-11T19:07:42 < kakimir> matt
2017-03-11T19:08:13 < kakimir> actually it has some combined pins there
2017-03-11T19:09:01 < kakimir> 5 pins and 2 combined pins maybe casing
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2017-03-11T19:23:32 < scrts> have anyone ever bought refurbished hard drives? like that: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LYVD7ME/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1I4LPL97ZSMG
2017-03-11T19:39:01 < zyp> I think the last two 1.5TB drives I bought were vendor refurbs
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2017-03-11T19:51:57 < Rob235> hmm, anyway to make a stud finder so I don't have to buy one? :P
2017-03-11T19:55:02 < Rob235> hmm saw a magnet stud finder so I just took a magnet and slid it across the wall and it stuck :P
2017-03-11T20:11:12 < Steffanx> So do you have some popcorn yet Laurenceb_?
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2017-03-11T20:50:40 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: popcorn for what?
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2017-03-11T20:58:29 < branjb> >have VLSI class
2017-03-11T20:58:49 < branjb> >to use virtuoso ssh into school server, from there ssh into another server, X forward back home
2017-03-11T20:58:54 < branjb> >5 sec lag on anything
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2017-03-11T20:59:06 < branjb> this is retarded
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2017-03-11T21:02:02 < Steffanx> oh, The Netherlands mad Erdogan angry. Now the interwebs goes loose on our prime minister Laurenceb_ :P
2017-03-11T21:02:05 < Steffanx> *made
2017-03-11T21:02:21 < Steffanx> lol branjb.
2017-03-11T21:04:00 < Laurenceb_> lul Erdogan is a loon
2017-03-11T21:04:15 < Laurenceb_> good job he is getting btfo in northern syria
2017-03-11T21:04:45 < Laurenceb_> Assad+YPG+PKK+Russia+USA versus Turkey 
2017-03-11T21:04:47 < Laurenceb_>  :P
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2017-03-11T21:10:55 < Laurenceb_> n00bery intensifies http://hackaday.com/2017/03/10/save-esp8266-ram-with-progmem/
2017-03-11T21:14:17 < branjb> HaD gets worse and worse
2017-03-11T21:14:22 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeUZoaTdLd1UxanM/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-11T21:15:38 < kakimir> esp8266 strugling with the basics?
2017-03-11T21:15:42 < kakimir> *community
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2017-03-11T21:23:26 < Steffanx> What are we looking at mr kakimir?
2017-03-11T21:23:55 < kakimir> copper tube
2017-03-11T21:24:00 < kakimir> made with solder
2017-03-11T21:26:31 < Tectu> any experiences on CircuitStudio?
2017-03-11T21:26:45 < Tectu> appears to be super inexpensive these days
2017-03-11T21:27:40 < zyp> idk about circuitstudio, but isn't that just pro version of circuitmaker?
2017-03-11T21:27:54 < zyp> circuitmaker is like dumbed down altium designer with stupid ribbon ui
2017-03-11T21:28:18 < Tectu> yeah, it appears to be doing ribbon ui too
2017-03-11T21:28:28 < zyp> yeah, fuck that
2017-03-11T21:28:31 < Tectu> but no idea how it compares otherwise to altium
2017-03-11T21:29:12 < zyp> so what do you mean by cheap? last I checked it was like $some thousands
2017-03-11T21:29:24 < zyp> 24k NOK IIRC
2017-03-11T21:29:33 < Tectu> yeah, now it´s like 460 USD and then 150 USD per year for upgrades
2017-03-11T21:29:36 < zyp> and I don't think that's cheaper than AD
2017-03-11T21:29:39 < zyp> oh, wat
2017-03-11T21:30:01 < zyp> maybe they figured out nobody wants to pay thousands for retarded ribbon ui
2017-03-11T21:30:01 < Tectu> yes
2017-03-11T21:30:03 < Tectu> hence I´m asking
2017-03-11T21:30:16 < zyp> well, solution is easy
2017-03-11T21:30:20 < zyp> try circuitmaker
2017-03-11T21:30:40 < zyp> if you like it enough that you want a version with offline storage and want to pay $460 for it, buy it
2017-03-11T21:30:50 < Tectu> what
2017-03-11T21:30:58 < Tectu> I wonder if they just had an issue in the farnell store
2017-03-11T21:31:03 < Tectu> it was 480 USD bucks the whole day
2017-03-11T21:31:09 < Tectu> now I F5 and now itś 1500
2017-03-11T21:31:13 < zyp> haha
2017-03-11T21:31:26 < Steffanx> What zyp said. You should try it. And not go with zyp and his hate for ribbon menus
2017-03-11T21:31:38 < Tectu> nah, here: http://ch.farnell.com/altium/11-100-15-1-e/circuitstudio-lizenz-kommerziell/dp/2490980
2017-03-11T21:31:59 < Tectu> CHF 497.70 is like 492.28 trumpdollars
2017-03-11T21:32:48 < zyp> Steffanx, who doesn't hate them?
2017-03-11T21:32:55 < Steffanx> Me.
2017-03-11T21:33:01 < zyp> wtf, weirdo
2017-03-11T21:33:07 < Tectu> I learned not to care anymore
2017-03-11T21:33:13 < Steffanx> ^^
2017-03-11T21:34:13 < Tectu> anyway, 500 USD sounds like a fair deal
2017-03-11T21:34:51 < zyp> yeah, it sounds reasonable if the point is to position it between CM and AD
2017-03-11T21:35:02 < zyp> so CS is AD light
2017-03-11T21:35:16 < zyp> which is how I expected it to be in the first place
2017-03-11T21:35:19 < Tectu> I´d still love to see a comparison between AD and CS
2017-03-11T21:35:25 < zyp> which is why I didn't understand the old pricing
2017-03-11T21:35:36 < Steffanx> Does CircuitStudio do the vault too?
2017-03-11T21:35:38 < zyp> well, have you used AD?
2017-03-11T21:35:54 < Tectu> Steffanx, yes, you get access to the vault with that 500 USD license
2017-03-11T21:36:01 < Tectu> zyp, just briefly
2017-03-11T21:36:12 < Steffanx> https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-76216/l/circuitstudio-by-altium-vs-altium-designer-feature-and-specification-comparison there you go Tectu.
2017-03-11T21:36:20 < Tectu> I figured it doesn´t have a ribbon UI so I uninstalled iimmediately
2017-03-11T21:36:24 < zyp> good, then just try CM and you have a basis for comparing yourself
2017-03-11T21:36:55 < zyp> again, CM is free and should be basically same as CS except you're restricted to cloud saving and can't export gerbers without publishing your project
2017-03-11T21:37:08 < Tectu> thanks Steffanx 
2017-03-11T21:37:31 < zyp> I were helping one of my friends with a design and he were trying CM
2017-03-11T21:37:45 < zyp> it's not bad, but pretty simplified vs AD
2017-03-11T21:37:46 < Steffanx> Then you warezed him a AD?
2017-03-11T21:37:53 < Steffanx> an*
2017-03-11T21:38:10 < zyp> no, he did it himself
2017-03-11T21:38:11 < zyp> :p
2017-03-11T21:38:29 < zyp> I've never used AD illegally, I still have access to a proper license
2017-03-11T21:38:57 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/tGrwu.png
2017-03-11T21:39:01 < Tectu> lol that PDF, Steffanx. The only thing listed there that CS has that AD doesn´t have in the features list is ´Ribbon based UI´ :p
2017-03-11T21:39:12 < zyp> (old screenshot)
2017-03-11T21:39:47 < zyp> Tectu, also «Simple output»
2017-03-11T21:40:08 < zyp> whatever that is, it's not like it's hard to export shit from AD :p
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2017-03-11T21:41:04 < zyp> hmm, CS doesn't to «STEP (FREE MODELS)» which I guess are for enclosure validation and shit
2017-03-11T21:41:04 < Tectu> hah :p
2017-03-11T21:41:25 < zyp> oh
2017-03-11T21:41:44 < zyp> doesn't have the IPC footprint wizard either
2017-03-11T21:41:47 < Tectu> seems like CS doesn´t do push´n´shove
2017-03-11T21:41:50 < zyp> I wouldn't want to be without that
2017-03-11T21:41:58 < Tectu> what´s that Mr. zyp?
2017-03-11T21:42:04 < zyp> footprint generator
2017-03-11T21:42:08 < Tectu> ohno
2017-03-11T21:42:23 < zyp> you just enter some package numbers from the datasheet and you get all the pads and silk generated for you
2017-03-11T21:42:29 < zyp> simplifies footprint generation
2017-03-11T21:42:30 < Tectu> I wouldn´t mind paying 3k for alitum but 9k is just insane :/
2017-03-11T21:42:39 < Steffanx> If it doesn't have that think i wouldnt spend $500 on it 
2017-03-11T21:42:54 < zyp> hmm, only local licensing as well
2017-03-11T21:43:18 < zyp> I like the altiumlive stuff
2017-03-11T21:44:42 < zyp> hmm, wtf does it mean that CS doesn't have «Basic manufacturing rules»?
2017-03-11T21:45:05 < zyp> surely its DRC should handle hole size/annular ring shit
2017-03-11T21:45:46 < zyp> anyway, IPC wizard seems to be the largest single omission from CS
2017-03-11T21:46:03 < Steffanx> Why move away from dicktrace Tectu?
2017-03-11T21:46:25 < zyp> and if you're not coming from a tool that already has something like that, I'm not sure you'll really miss it
2017-03-11T21:46:31 < zyp> just all the small stuff
2017-03-11T21:46:48 < Steffanx> but once you used it, you'll love it.
2017-03-11T21:47:02 < Tectu> sounds like lube
2017-03-11T21:47:09 < Tectu> don´t miss it until you started using it
2017-03-11T21:47:32 < Steffanx> Blood is the best lube.
2017-03-11T21:48:03 < Tectu> I disagree
2017-03-11T21:48:07 < Tectu> I tried that once and it was a disaster
2017-03-11T21:48:16 < Steffanx> No more details needed.
2017-03-11T22:33:28 < Steffanx> He ho mr englishman. Wake up sir.
2017-03-11T22:35:10 < englishman> steffans, it's -37C. I'm staying in bed.
2017-03-11T22:37:24 < Steffanx> No heater?
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2017-03-11T22:46:23 < Steffanx> nah, i was about to ask you something, but i forgot :P
2017-03-11T22:53:50 < englishman> a warm pussy is all i need
2017-03-11T22:54:47 < Steffanx> You have a whole Harem with them.
2017-03-11T22:56:23 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/Ss8bMmI.jpg
2017-03-11T22:56:49 < Steffanx> Yes, that.
2017-03-11T22:57:26 < Steffanx> but -37. can your heater even heat enough for that to get it to a more decent temperature? 
2017-03-11T22:58:11 < Steffanx> -18.7 °C it is btw.
2017-03-11T23:00:32 < englishman> yeah a bit earlier it was -22.4 °C Feels Like -37.4 °C
2017-03-11T23:00:55 < englishman> not the day to go outside and play pew pew shooty bang
2017-03-11T23:01:15 < englishman> it is a stay inside and do dishes and clean the fish tank day
2017-03-11T23:05:00 < kakimir> what is snow amount in there?
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2017-03-11T23:08:20 < englishman> between nipples and neck
2017-03-11T23:08:40 < upgrdman> what provence are you in
2017-03-11T23:09:43 < englishman> la belle province
2017-03-11T23:10:12 < aandrew> poor bastard
2017-03-11T23:10:37 < englishman> yes wynne will make ontario great again
2017-03-11T23:10:59 < englishman> english canada is the worst canada
2017-03-11T23:11:01 < aandrew> wynne caused enough trouble
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2017-03-11T23:45:39 < kakimir> englishman: I saw your yard in the video and there was barelly to cover the grass!
2017-03-11T23:45:49 < kakimir> murderer kitten video
2017-03-11T23:46:38 < englishman> around the house the wind blows pretty strong, so there's no snow in some areas and 3m piles in other places
2017-03-11T23:47:40 < kakimir> oh
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2017-03-12T00:04:45 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egdm3QxqArM
2017-03-12T00:08:58 < kakimir> what do these cia vault7 leaks even mean?
2017-03-12T00:09:13 < kakimir> I tried to read something but basically it's just empty tree structure
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2017-03-12T00:19:46 < kakimir> wifi sd cards recommends
2017-03-12T00:19:47 < kakimir> ?
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2017-03-12T00:39:15 < englishman> Steffanx: worth trying y/n  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1WpcP1h1/IMG_20170311_172948.jpg
2017-03-12T00:43:35 < Steffanx> No clue. Never had Honey waffles
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2017-03-12T00:44:55 < englishman> hmm
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2017-03-12T01:09:24 < kakimir> Steffanx: you still ship stroopwaffles?
2017-03-12T01:09:33 < kakimir> send me a few
2017-03-12T01:09:39 < zyp> Steffanx, so I hear you hate turkey
2017-03-12T01:13:28 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1X-GENUINE-Micro-USB-Charging-Socket-Port-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S6-SM-G920F-G920V-/222409096323 need a solid microusb?
2017-03-12T01:13:57 < kakimir> screw holes so your plug will snap first
2017-03-12T01:14:30 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-Charging-Port-Samsung-Galaxy-Core-Prime-G360F-G361F-Tab-E-T560-T561-/131983832860 I found the connector..
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2017-03-12T01:18:21 < Steffanx> Long story zyp. But i wouldnt call it hate.
2017-03-12T01:18:50 < Steffanx> Its the same issue austria, germany and belgium have atm.
2017-03-12T01:18:59 < stm32> I like stories
2017-03-12T01:19:02 < kakimir> tastelest bird meat
2017-03-12T01:19:14 < stm32> Tendies stories
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2017-03-12T01:26:47 < kakimir> disabled semihosting and my code did not hardfault o/
2017-03-12T01:26:48 < PeterM> re CM vs CS vs AD, don't CS and CM have differrent/no keyboard shortcuts compared to AD? i remember last time i used it that was my biggest frustration
2017-03-12T01:27:03 < branjb> fuck virtuoso
2017-03-12T01:27:25 < Steffanx> Is she expensive branjb ?
2017-03-12T01:31:37 < branjb> she's a slutty whore
2017-03-12T01:33:55 < kakimir> #sluts32
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2017-03-12T01:39:04 < kakimir> can I see interrupts happening somehow with debugger?
2017-03-12T01:39:13 < kakimir> other that ++ some counter?
2017-03-12T01:39:31 < kakimir> I have ROM based driver running uart
2017-03-12T01:40:00 < KreAture> Hmm
2017-03-12T01:40:34 < KreAture> Wonder if you can put a watch on the memory address for the isr ?
2017-03-12T01:40:41 < kakimir> yeah
2017-03-12T01:41:18 < kakimir> watchpoint
2017-03-12T01:42:47 < KreAture> But I wonder if that can make it continue while just counting it or such?
2017-03-12T01:43:03 < KreAture> I am using the live view mode in EmBitz a lot when doing state machines
2017-03-12T01:43:10 < KreAture> love it
2017-03-12T01:44:09 < kakimir> i think I change to: param.transfer_mode = RX_MODE_LF_RECVD;
2017-03-12T01:44:17 < kakimir> instead of CRLF
2017-03-12T01:46:22 < kakimir> okay I got breakpoint to rom based handler call
2017-03-12T01:46:45 < kakimir> and it trips when I hitten the enter in the serial terminal
2017-03-12T01:46:58 < kakimir> connection is good
2017-03-12T01:47:42 < kakimir> good sign
2017-03-12T01:53:37 < kakimir> okay problem is that rom based driver never calls the callback function
2017-03-12T01:58:00 < KreAture> ooooh
2017-03-12T01:58:07 < KreAture> ST is investigating my possible errata
2017-03-12T01:58:39 < KreAture> anyone else here want to test on a STM32F103 to see if their debugging view disturbs TIM2 dma burst access register ?
2017-03-12T01:59:12 < KreAture> With EmBitz it seems I cannot break the system with this register visible or the read access to update my view will make the access go out of sync
2017-03-12T02:00:22 < KreAture> I am doing 3 or 4 transfers per burst and a larger dma buffer allows for a number of bursts in a cyclic manner, and I notice that looking at this register will offset the data delivered to the timer registers corrupting the control completely
2017-03-12T02:01:02 < KreAture> Would be awsome if someone could reproduce the issue on IAR or Keil
2017-03-12T02:05:48 < kakimir> lpc1549 ram based uart isr handler wont call callback function
2017-03-12T02:05:53 < kakimir> any ideas?
2017-03-12T02:06:41 < kakimir> it is the very example code provided with it
2017-03-12T02:06:51 < kakimir> *lpcopen
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2017-03-12T02:07:43 < kakimir> it has worked with transmit
2017-03-12T02:07:52 < kakimir> earlier
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2017-03-12T02:18:32 < KreAture> I don't do lpc
2017-03-12T02:18:34 < KreAture> :)
2017-03-12T02:21:41 < kakimir> fuck
2017-03-12T02:22:09 < KreAture> availability of cheap stm boards is better
2017-03-12T02:22:15 < kakimir> I used hardware flow control earlier
2017-03-12T02:23:20 < kakimir> http://www.nxp.com/documents/errata_sheet/ES_LPC15XX.pdf there is some idle condition bug
2017-03-12T02:28:28 < kakimir> better plug those flow control lines in
2017-03-12T02:28:34 < kakimir> and check
2017-03-12T02:40:29 < kakimir> what color is L in schematics?
2017-03-12T02:40:38 < kakimir> L/R to say
2017-03-12T02:40:52 < kakimir> L and RED
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2017-03-12T02:52:57 < kakimir> https://butterflyofdream.wordpress.com/2012/08/02/color-code-for-wiring-diagram/ who would have known
2017-03-12T02:53:02 < kakimir> L - blue
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2017-03-12T02:59:31 < kakimir> yamaha codes or sled
2017-03-12T03:00:27 < dongs> i found jadew dickstarter
2017-03-12T03:00:51 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/raybaby/raybaby-worlds-only-non-contact-health-and-sleep-m 
2017-03-12T03:00:54 < dongs> GHZ RF: check
2017-03-12T03:00:59 < Laurenceb_> I don't know why people think America is racist
2017-03-12T03:01:04 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/270/474/d1b131212c046fa1b3f9ca4f1727b75e_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1485268660&auto=format&q=92&s=9786c2c90383a3ded130edb59583c0a7
2017-03-12T03:01:07 < dongs> STM32: check
2017-03-12T03:01:11 < Laurenceb_> they elected a black man as president (Obama)
2017-03-12T03:01:16 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/270/478/db813df1dbd3263fc6ba69f9234470c2_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1485268686&auto=format&q=92&s=6f42d65c365871f07de7e29ee473b9df
2017-03-12T03:01:21 < dongs> shitty kikecad-routed PCB: check
2017-03-12T03:01:22 < Laurenceb_> followed by a nigger (Trump)
2017-03-12T03:02:17 < Laurenceb_> is dat a rectangular stm or a distorted photo?
2017-03-12T03:02:53 < dongs> just looks like a retared scaled photo
2017-03-12T03:02:58 < dongs> the USB port is too long too
2017-03-12T03:03:04 < dongs> the footprint is OK on the next pic
2017-03-12T03:03:12 < kakimir> what is that nasty jumpwire?
2017-03-12T03:03:23 < kakimir> is it fuckin itself?
2017-03-12T03:03:23 < dongs> who knows. maybe they didnt connect BOOT0
2017-03-12T03:04:02 < dongs> lol @ those 2 aluminum cap footprints
2017-03-12T03:04:10 < dongs> i think that might be for VCAP1/2
2017-03-12T03:04:23 < dongs> becauase 2.2uF doesnt' come in like 0402 SMD, no
2017-03-12T03:04:37 < dongs> hm no then it wouldnt be booting
2017-03-12T03:04:41 < dongs> if theywere not placed
2017-03-12T03:06:50 < Laurenceb_> non contact baby monitor
2017-03-12T03:06:52 < Laurenceb_> I'm confuse
2017-03-12T03:07:02 < Laurenceb_> as opposed to anal probe?
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2017-03-12T03:07:31 < branjb> dongs you ever been forced to do vlsi?
2017-03-12T03:07:42 < kakimir> I need cheap oscope probe for my scopemeter
2017-03-12T03:07:58 < kakimir> recomds some ebay probe
2017-03-12T03:08:36 < Laurenceb_> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/398/245/deab3a4e4c6eccb8eb9cb891ebaae800_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1486256661&auto=format&q=92&s=b4f320fb292d10183148b4046a899eba
2017-03-12T03:08:45 < Laurenceb_> this somehow looks ominous
2017-03-12T03:09:25 < Laurenceb_> deh ebil AI system
2017-03-12T03:11:02 < kakimir> y.com/itm/P6100-100MHz-Oscilloscope-Scope-Clip-Probe-100MHz-For-Tektronix-HP-MP-/192110415375 toy?
2017-03-12T03:12:03 < kakimir> *sigh*
2017-03-12T03:12:18 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/P6100-100MHz-Oscilloscope-Scope-Clip-Probe-100MHz-For-Tektronix-HP-KMP-/201827868791
2017-03-12T03:13:44 < kakimir> wont buy it.. I think the leads I have are enought
2017-03-12T03:20:52 < Laurenceb_> oh it uses UWB
2017-03-12T03:20:54 < Laurenceb_> smart
2017-03-12T03:21:03 < Laurenceb_> if that shit is properly licensed yet...
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2017-03-12T03:24:00 < kakimir> UWB?
2017-03-12T03:27:48 < Laurenceb_> ultra wide band
2017-03-12T03:34:47 < kakimir> that thing?
2017-03-12T03:34:48 < englishman> branjb: vlsi is a bit out of his scope
2017-03-12T03:34:57 < englishman> and rather specialized
2017-03-12T03:35:15 < englishman> only one guy here pretends to do it
2017-03-12T03:35:18 < kakimir> in here baby monitors speak russian all day
2017-03-12T03:36:00 < kakimir> not sure if nowdays in wifi bluetooth era
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2017-03-12T04:03:52 < jadew> man... I need a stupid comedy show or a good sci-fi one
2017-03-12T04:04:49 < jadew> I got so used to having something playing while working, that it's hard to work without it anymore
2017-03-12T04:07:39 < branjb> englishman:  it seems like a borderline worthless skill to be learning as an undergrad 
2017-03-12T04:19:51 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1489024575736.webm
2017-03-12T04:21:50 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx ^
2017-03-12T04:23:02 < PeterM> Laurenceb_ i thought the warning was 2ch/8ch
2017-03-12T04:23:18 < Laurenceb_> ah 11chan is all good
2017-03-12T04:24:48 < Lux> https://heatst.com/tech/he-will-not-divide-us-livestream-placed-in-middle-of-nowhere-but-4chan-still-found-way-to-troll-it/
2017-03-12T04:24:51 < englishman> branjb: there are a lot of fundamentals
2017-03-12T04:25:39 < Laurenceb_> Lux: old news
2017-03-12T04:25:57 < Lux> ya thought so, but still funny
2017-03-12T04:26:07 < Lux> just couldn't find it here
2017-03-12T04:26:35 < englishman> branjb: it'll give you a better understanding of what goes on in any CMOS ic and how they are designed and manufactured
2017-03-12T04:26:37 < Laurenceb_>  ##stm32 confirmed as 16chan
2017-03-12T04:26:42 < Laurenceb_> ##chan32
2017-03-12T04:26:44 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-12T04:26:53 < branjb> can learn that from theory/lecture though
2017-03-12T04:27:03 < branjb> only thing i am learning from vlsi CAD is how tedious it is
2017-03-12T04:27:12 < englishman> Lux: careful I got +q for linking to that
2017-03-12T04:28:13 < Laurenceb_> the horror of the steffanx
2017-03-12T04:28:33 < Laurenceb_> to be fair I'm banned from almost all of 4chan and 8chan
2017-03-12T04:28:53 < Laurenceb_>  (User was banned for this post: chronic shitposting)
2017-03-12T04:29:18 < stm32> Lol
2017-03-12T04:29:28 < Lux> Laurenceb_: are you being ironic ?
2017-03-12T04:29:36 < Laurenceb_> no its true
2017-03-12T04:29:43 < Laurenceb_> I'm b& 
2017-03-12T04:29:52 < stm32> What ISNT shitposting on a chan
2017-03-12T04:29:59 < Laurenceb_> even got banned from /brit/ for sealposting
2017-03-12T04:30:25 < Laurenceb_> stm32: sealposting in banable on /pol/ and /brit/
2017-03-12T04:30:49 < Laurenceb_> https://www.facebook.com/groups/spacexgroup/permalink/10155181297956318/
2017-03-12T04:30:53 < Laurenceb_> erm
2017-03-12T04:30:58 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/8chan/comments/5vm15b/sealposting/?st=j062c7vu&sh=b83ac053
2017-03-12T04:31:05 < Laurenceb_> thats what I meant to post
2017-03-12T04:31:22 < Laurenceb_> This really barnacled my hull
2017-03-12T04:31:28 < Laurenceb_> epic comment delivers
2017-03-12T04:32:50 < Laurenceb_> http://talesof4chan.org/2017/02/23/sealposting/
2017-03-12T04:36:30 < stm32> Yeah ill read it later
2017-03-12T04:37:00 < rue_shop3> dare I even ask what 8chan is!?
2017-03-12T04:37:26 < stm32>  CP
2017-03-12T04:37:54 < rue_shop3> see, I dont even want to ask about the abbreviations
2017-03-12T04:39:06 < Laurenceb_> once you starts sealposting you will never stop
2017-03-12T04:39:15 < stm32> Clock phase
2017-03-12T04:39:15 < Laurenceb_> until you are b& that is
2017-03-12T04:40:56 < stm32> Good work
2017-03-12T04:41:34 < stm32> Make it burn
2017-03-12T04:42:00 < stm32> The fucken pricks
2017-03-12T04:54:39 < Laurenceb_> calm down stm32
2017-03-12T04:54:44 < Laurenceb_> you will get a heart attack
2017-03-12T05:01:22 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/wv7bv1d8cuky.jpg
2017-03-12T05:01:47 < stm32> Cats
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2017-03-12T05:37:29 < ohsix> upgrdman: found dell m-rbb-del4 @ ye olde' thrift shoppe
2017-03-12T05:37:36 < ohsix> has real middle click and b/f buttons, bluetooth
2017-03-12T05:37:48 < ohsix> noticed tilt wheel on the way out ollol
2017-03-12T05:39:07 < ohsix> nut the best shape for a mouse but it's better than the mx revo in the laptop bag
2017-03-12T05:39:48 < ohsix> https://www.elsevier.com/books/control-system-design-guide/ellis/978-0-12-385920-4 found a copy of this too
2017-03-12T05:40:11 < ohsix> same shop had a few titles from academic press but none of the others were useful
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2017-03-12T05:42:34 < ohsix> it's a cool looking hardback lul https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9780122374708-us.jpg
2017-03-12T05:44:53 < aandrew> ohsix: got a link to the pdf?
2017-03-12T05:49:04 < ohsix> nope, but some stuff is on library genesis http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=george+ellis&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def
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2017-03-12T05:50:29 < ohsix> i gotta find a way to keep track of what subjets i have in the books i already own
2017-03-12T05:50:36 < ohsix> starting to risk overlap
2017-03-12T05:51:56 < ohsix> aandrew: earlier editions are cheap http://isbn.nu/0122374703
2017-03-12T05:52:21 < aandrew> oh I never worried about that
2017-03-12T05:52:34 < ohsix> i wonder if they kept the qbasic listings in the 4th edition
2017-03-12T05:52:47 < aandrew> $ du -hs /mnt/books
2017-03-12T05:52:48 < aandrew> 166G	/mnt/books
2017-03-12T05:53:09 < aandrew> GORILLAS.BAS
2017-03-12T05:53:37 < ohsix> http://libgen.me/view.php?id=1185150 this pdf looks legit, no scan or anything, from elsevier
2017-03-12T05:54:23 < ohsix> oh man wat they use some windows software, looks like the older versions are going to be better huhu
2017-03-12T05:55:00 < dongs> jadew fav game
2017-03-12T05:55:10 < aandrew> lol who pays for books online
2017-03-12T05:55:15 < ohsix> https://www.visualmodelq.com/ this
2017-03-12T05:55:34 < ohsix> how do you handle duping books aandrew 
2017-03-12T05:55:41 < jadew> what?
2017-03-12T05:55:49 < ohsix> i have like 70gigs of mostly unclassified shit and a ton of probable dupes
2017-03-12T05:55:51 < aandrew> http://aussiedistiller.com.au/books/Chocaholic/control-system-design-guide-third-edition-using-your-computer-to-understand-and-diagnose-feedback-controllers.(2004).9780122374616.33181.pdf
2017-03-12T05:56:02 < aandrew> ohsix: peridocially I sort thorugh them
2017-03-12T05:56:02 < jadew> ah gorillas.bas hehe
2017-03-12T05:56:14 < aandrew> haven't done any real effort on deduping
2017-03-12T05:56:14 < ohsix> i started trying to pick 'best' editions to keep and remove the rest but it was a lot of work
2017-03-12T05:56:22 < ohsix> ah
2017-03-12T05:56:32 < dongs> jadew did you see i found your dickstarter
2017-03-12T05:56:45 < jadew> yeah, you got me
2017-03-12T05:56:47 < ohsix> library genesis' md5 and database stuff can probably find & classify almost all of them
2017-03-12T05:57:05 < jadew> I'm not working on any dickstarter now
2017-03-12T05:58:55 < aandrew> http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~tymerski/ece451/STEFANI.pdf heh instructor's solutions
2017-03-12T05:59:24 < ohsix> i found a handful of teachers editions of books and shit from the 60s up
2017-03-12T05:59:34 < ohsix> the way they tell the teacher what to say is really creepy
2017-03-12T06:00:52 < ohsix> i guess it is a bit old fashioned to expect the teacher not to know anything about the subject they're thrust into teaching, but it's f'ing bizarre
2017-03-12T06:01:46 < aandrew> heh
2017-03-12T06:01:51 < aandrew> dunno I'm not an academic
2017-03-12T06:02:04 < aandrew> never set foot in a university or college as a student
2017-03-12T06:02:13 < jadew> not bizarre at all, I've had plenty of idiot teachers
2017-03-12T06:08:37 < ohsix> college is one thing
2017-03-12T06:08:43 < ohsix> gradeschool and other shit tho
2017-03-12T06:08:58 < ohsix> had teachers that couldn't even care cuz they didn't know shit
2017-03-12T06:10:56 < ohsix> huh https://www.visualmodelq.com/modelq.html
2017-03-12T06:11:21 < ohsix> that's actually really good / handy as a free thing
2017-03-12T06:14:57 < ohsix> ah, not free
2017-03-12T06:17:08 < ohsix> the motor control stuff in the 4th edition isn't in the first
2017-03-12T06:40:45 < ohsix> that keysight 1000 series shits looks pretty sweet
2017-03-12T06:41:08 < ohsix> mainly the virtual phosphor junk and software that doesn't look like the stuff on the chinese scopes
2017-03-12T06:41:23 < ohsix> serial decode would be real handy
2017-03-12T06:42:10 < ohsix> traces look so stable
2017-03-12T06:45:09 < stm32> hahaha
2017-03-12T06:46:41 < stm32> wut that
2017-03-12T06:46:49 < stm32> solutio
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2017-03-12T06:47:49 < stm32> zoot locus
2017-03-12T06:48:00 < stm32> that's how my control teacher said it
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2017-03-12T06:51:42 < stm32> so why shouldn't I
2017-03-12T06:56:43 < branjb> mine said loot rocus
2017-03-12T06:59:25 < stm32> oh and her phd student said
2017-03-12T06:59:29 < stm32> something like root lucy
2017-03-12T07:01:13 < branjb> one of my teachers calls liberals riberals
2017-03-12T07:01:20 < branjb> bet you can't guess what country he is from
2017-03-12T07:03:00 < stm32> unrucky
2017-03-12T07:03:15 < stm32> mate
2017-03-12T07:03:20 < branjb> he calls kernel kerner
2017-03-12T07:04:03 < stm32> hahaha
2017-03-12T07:04:31 < stm32> yeah i had a real classic once, problem was anything he said was a bunch of gibberish
2017-03-12T07:04:56 < branjb> he actually speaks really good/understanding english aside from all L's = R's
2017-03-12T07:05:01 < branjb> sometimes I think he is trolling us
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2017-03-12T07:05:47 < emeb_mac> have a presant fright
2017-03-12T07:07:10 < stm32> Yea
2017-03-12T07:07:41 < stm32> I remember i smiled when lecturer said sheet steel
2017-03-12T07:08:02 < stm32> Then she said no i didnt say shit steel
2017-03-12T07:08:24 < branjb> what kind of micro is in this? http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/3c/f2/c9/3cf2c9b80a385dc7eb8367abd58ef614.jpg
2017-03-12T07:08:52 < stm32> Uhh
2017-03-12T07:09:31 < nmz787_> sooo, I bricked two of my boards writing to a register with stm.mem32[stm.GPIOA + stm.GPIO_MODER] = 0b1010 
2017-03-12T07:09:42 < nmz787_> and I don't know how to unbrick them
2017-03-12T07:09:45 < nmz787_> :/
2017-03-12T07:09:47 < nmz787_> any ideas?
2017-03-12T07:09:55 < nmz787_> I have a Nucleo discovery board
2017-03-12T07:10:11 < nmz787_> so I am wondering if there is a some other programming mode that isn't over the USB itself
2017-03-12T07:11:16 < emeb_mac> nucleo != discovery. two different types of board
2017-03-12T07:11:26 < nmz787_> one sec, lemme grab it
2017-03-12T07:11:32 < emeb_mac> is it green (discovery) or white (nucleo)
2017-03-12T07:11:42 < emeb_mac> which processor number
2017-03-12T07:12:04 < nmz787_> nucleo f401re
2017-03-12T07:12:27 < nmz787_> the boards I bricked were G30TH (same processor) (as far as I know)
2017-03-12T07:13:01 < emeb_mac> so you wrote a program that set the above regs and now you can no longer download to the boards?
2017-03-12T07:13:23 < emeb_mac> Have you tried using the stlink utility to do a full erase?
2017-03-12T07:15:45 < nmz787_> the G30THs were flashed with micropython... looking for my flash instructions now
2017-03-12T07:16:29 < nmz787_> and yeah, after that line (and maybe the subsequent lines?) the board no longer responds as a serial or USB storage device
2017-03-12T07:16:41 < nmz787_> the nucleo is the white one
2017-03-12T07:17:30 < nmz787_> to do an erase, do you mean to use the program: st-util ?
2017-03-12T07:17:43 < nmz787_> because it doesn't detect my boards now, when they are plugged in via USB
2017-03-12T07:20:18 < nmz787_> build steps for firmware here: http://blog.davehylands.com/2016/07/bringing-up-micropython-on-ghi.html
2017-03-12T07:21:00 < nmz787_> oh
2017-03-12T07:21:01 < nmz787_> wait
2017-03-12T07:21:24 < nmz787_> I might have been following nucleo instructions that I had written down :/
2017-03-12T07:21:42 < nmz787_> the G30TH instructions are different, and include a DFU-mode section
2017-03-12T07:28:50 < emeb_mac> ah - don't know diddly about micropython.
2017-03-12T07:29:27 < emeb_mac> but if you still have the st-link attached then you should be able to erase the 401 and reflash it.
2017-03-12T07:30:03 < emeb_mac> and I have no idea why tweaking the PA mode register would brick it.
2017-03-12T07:32:08 < nmz787_> seems getting it into DFU mode is doing something
2017-03-12T07:37:53 < englishman> link to g30th, wtf is that
2017-03-12T07:38:52 < englishman> breakout board, so its far from a nucleo
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2017-03-12T07:48:54 < nmz787_> well, had to do something called a mass-erase
2017-03-12T07:49:36 < nmz787_> then flashing seemed to work, back to not-bricked :)
2017-03-12T08:13:03 < dongs>  nmz787_> sooo, I bricked two of my boards writing to a register with stm.mem32[stm.GPIOA + stm.GPIO_MODER] = 0b1010
2017-03-12T08:13:06 < dongs> what the shit
2017-03-12T08:13:12 < dongs> is that another retarded HAL?
2017-03-12T08:15:51 < emeb_mac> micropython
2017-03-12T08:25:12 < dongs> i didnt need to know that i guess.
2017-03-12T08:25:22 < dongs> the rage is just boiling at this point
2017-03-12T08:28:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> I confess, if you're just writing bits to registers anyway, what's the point
2017-03-12T08:30:28 < dongs> to be a python faggot, i guess
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2017-03-12T10:21:44 < Steffanx> 8/2 PeterM  ;)
2017-03-12T10:21:53 < Steffanx> =
2017-03-12T10:21:58 < Steffanx> 4
2017-03-12T10:22:35 < ReadError> would be nice if python didnt have that retarded indentation shit
2017-03-12T10:22:38 < dongs> so what do yall chinafags use when youre tehre for internet
2017-03-12T10:22:45 < dongs> upgrdman:  / dekar
2017-03-12T10:22:52 < dongs> can I get some wifi egg shit at airport
2017-03-12T10:23:08 < upgrdman> wut
2017-03-12T10:23:12 < upgrdman> egg?
2017-03-12T10:23:23 < dongs> donno thats wat its called around here
2017-03-12T10:23:42 < upgrdman> you want to pay for wifi service in cn? or what
2017-03-12T10:23:46 < dongs> yeah?
2017-03-12T10:23:49 < dongs> not wifi
2017-03-12T10:23:49 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-12T10:23:50 < dongs> like
2017-03-12T10:24:01 < dongs> so i can use my fucking phone while im dicking around
2017-03-12T10:24:10 < upgrdman> o
2017-03-12T10:24:10 < dongs> chinagirl isnt gonna follow me around everyweher I hope
2017-03-12T10:24:15 < nmz787_> dongs: why all the Python hate?
2017-03-12T10:24:23 < dongs> nmz787_: pointless language
2017-03-12T10:24:25 < upgrdman> well my employer gave me a cn sim card
2017-03-12T10:24:26 < nmz787_> Python + assembly == amazing
2017-03-12T10:24:36 < dongs> upgrdman: oic, k
2017-03-12T10:24:39 < dongs> better ping chinagirl and see
2017-03-12T10:24:48 < dongs> sim would work i supopse, tho i donno if myshit has any chink banks
2017-03-12T10:24:50 < dongs> bands
2017-03-12T10:24:51 < nmz787_> dongs: it isn't pointless
2017-03-12T10:24:56 < upgrdman> and some of my other coworkers use tmobile, and many tmobile plans include international talk + data
2017-03-12T10:24:59 < dongs> LTE-TDT or wahtever teh fuck
2017-03-12T10:26:19 < dongs> http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/phpbbforum/wifi-eggs-available-in-china-t170114.html#p1887452 lol'd
2017-03-12T10:26:32 < upgrdman> dongs, so is an "egg" just a 4g -> wifi ap thinggy?
2017-03-12T10:26:35 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-12T10:26:44 < upgrdman> ahh neat ok. didnt know that existed
2017-03-12T10:26:55 < dongs> like everyone uses those as shits generally cheap
2017-03-12T10:26:59 < dongs> when I go to best korea its liek $3 a day or someshit
2017-03-12T10:27:06 < nmz787_> why wouldn't you just use android hotspot?
2017-03-12T10:27:06 < dongs> just reserve and pickup/dropoff at airport
2017-03-12T10:27:09 < dongs> japs haev similar shit too
2017-03-12T10:27:20 < dongs> nmz787_: of what, nigger. i have no fucking cell coverage in communist china
2017-03-12T10:27:33 < nmz787_> dongs: you said the eggs need an LTE sim, didn't you?
2017-03-12T10:27:43 < dongs> of course they're provided by whoever rents them
2017-03-12T10:27:54 < nmz787_> so you can just stick the SIM in an LTE phone
2017-03-12T10:28:10 < dongs> doesnt sound useful
2017-03-12T10:28:21 < nmz787_> ?
2017-03-12T10:28:27 < dongs> this shit battery lasts full day with continous usage and I can connect my phone and my laptop and shit to it
2017-03-12T10:28:44 < dongs> if I got a sim just for the phone, i'd have to make sure my phoen is charged and usable
2017-03-12T10:28:47 < dongs> more work
2017-03-12T10:28:58 < nmz787_> you need the phone charged to use it period.
2017-03-12T10:29:33 < nmz787_> I guess if you don't already have an LTE phone, makes sense
2017-03-12T10:29:47 < dongs> taking my shit apart and fuckignaround with switching sims is a hassle too
2017-03-12T10:29:47 < nmz787_> but in either case, you need to get LTE sim service for either option to work
2017-03-12T10:29:51 < dongs> all google shit will get logged out and crap
2017-03-12T10:30:06 < dongs> waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much work vs just picking up a fucking small thing that will be a wifi AP i can connect to
2017-03-12T10:30:19 < dongs> not when you just pickup a ready thing at airport
2017-03-12T10:30:21 < dongs> like most sane people do
2017-03-12T10:30:24 < dongs> when they travel
2017-03-12T10:30:49 < ohsix> i saw some of those 10 for a dollar stepper motors in a lumix camera i was repairing
2017-03-12T10:31:24 < nmz787_> ohsix: pinky-finger sized?
2017-03-12T10:31:46 < ohsix> smaller
2017-03-12T10:31:48 < ohsix> like 4mm
2017-03-12T10:31:48 < nmz787_> huh
2017-03-12T10:32:11 < ohsix> i had thought they were from autofocus lenses, or lenses of some type,  but it's the first time i've seen one
2017-03-12T10:33:02 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Great-10x-Micro-Screw-Stepper-Motors-Miniature-2-phase-4-wire-step-motor-driver-/182451346671 thse things
2017-03-12T10:33:17 < ohsix> but smaller
2017-03-12T10:33:51 < ohsix> the stabilization stage was neat, it had a voice coil for at least one axis, probably both
2017-03-12T10:34:01 < dongs> lol wath teh fuck
2017-03-12T10:34:06 < dongs> found some shit with capped data plans
2017-03-12T10:34:09 < dongs> .. no
2017-03-12T10:34:34 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-2-phase-4-wire-Stepper-motor-with-Screw-Slider-DIY-1-PC-Pop-/371535072270 butt of it looks like this one
2017-03-12T10:35:00 < ohsix> they're so small and so cheap, it's a bummer there isn't a ton of use for them
2017-03-12T10:35:26 < ohsix> the ones that constrain the moving part with the frame can have strings tied to them or whatever
2017-03-12T10:36:49 < nmz787_> ohsix: hmm, they look pretty similar to some I have, actually
2017-03-12T10:37:01 < nmz787_> I never hooked them up to the drivers I have
2017-03-12T10:37:18 < nmz787_> ULN2003 was my plan, or easydriver
2017-03-12T10:37:29 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-12T10:37:40 < ohsix> they're small enough that you could probably just do it with the microcontroller pins
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2017-03-12T10:38:09 < nmz787_> was gonna use them to compress some plastic tubing that had air flowing in it, not too high-psi (thin plastic, like a paper poster would come sold in)
2017-03-12T10:38:29 < ohsix> making a wire driven creepy tentacle could be a thing
2017-03-12T10:38:30 < ohsix> heheh
2017-03-12T10:38:35 < nmz787_> oooo
2017-03-12T10:38:39 < nmz787_> yeah, totally
2017-03-12T10:38:51 < nmz787_> like from the old Wild Wild West movie
2017-03-12T10:38:58 < nmz787_> that spider thing
2017-03-12T10:39:39 < nmz787_> the BYJ48 steppers are cool too
2017-03-12T10:39:51 < ohsix> haww
2017-03-12T10:39:55 < ohsix> not for a lot tho
2017-03-12T10:40:10 < ohsix> i considered using them for stuff since they were cheap, until i actually had one to play with
2017-03-12T10:40:48 < ohsix> they're very slow, due to gear reduction, and you can't make them go faster in any way, because they'll then overheat
2017-03-12T10:40:50 < nmz787_> I microstepped them like crazy
2017-03-12T10:41:09 < nmz787_> was planning to use them for some optical stuff, as I remember
2017-03-12T10:42:29 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-12T10:42:39 < ohsix> i still may 3d print some wheels for them for a friends robotics course
2017-03-12T10:42:47 < ohsix> i think they'll be too slow, but maybe not
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2017-03-12T10:43:09 < dongs> hmm
2017-03-12T10:43:10 < dongs> wtf
2017-03-12T10:43:16 < dongs> vyprvpn shitcanned several account levels
2017-03-12T10:43:33 < dongs> im paying for wahever is the lowest one but they make it really hard to find any info on whats possible with the new levels
2017-03-12T10:43:42 < dongs> before the cheapest one didnt allow ipsec
2017-03-12T10:44:41 < upgrdman> dongs, when you're VPNing in china, let me know how many Mbps you can get to the outside world.
2017-03-12T10:45:14 < upgrdman> best i ever got when VPNing to the USA was 4Mbps
2017-03-12T10:45:28 < upgrdman> but usually it was 1 or 2, and with >70% packet loss
2017-03-12T10:45:56 < upgrdman> but maybe some hong kong vpn would be decent
2017-03-12T10:47:05 < dongs> donno i only have this one and im already paying for it so it will have to do
2017-03-12T10:47:29 < upgrdman> that fine
2017-03-12T10:47:54 < upgrdman> but let me know how slow it is. curious if using a commerical vpn would net me more Mbps when in cn
2017-03-12T10:48:11 < dongs> ah
2017-03-12T10:48:14 < dongs> were you using some frreetard shit?
2017-03-12T10:48:20 < upgrdman> i was legit condisering satellite internet service when in cn
2017-03-12T10:48:21 < dongs> o right you weer bouncing to your own box?
2017-03-12T10:48:26 < upgrdman> even if i had to pay like $200 a month for it
2017-03-12T10:48:31 < upgrdman> dongs, ya
2017-03-12T10:48:42 < upgrdman> rageberry pi in my kitchen
2017-03-12T10:48:45 < dongs> rolf
2017-03-12T10:48:46 < upgrdman> openvpn + stunnel
2017-03-12T10:49:59 < dongs> mm they have servers in HK
2017-03-12T10:50:04 < dongs> that might be usable
2017-03-12T10:50:11 < nmz787_> cheapest sat internet plan in U.S. is $40/mo for 5MBPS down 1 up
2017-03-12T10:50:53 < upgrdman> nmz787_, most sat providers do NOT have sat's over/near cn
2017-03-12T10:51:21 < upgrdman> and iirc, i'd have to smuggle a sat modem into cn since im sure theyre not legal
2017-03-12T10:51:40 < nmz787_> dang
2017-03-12T10:51:41 < dongs> nmz787_: that plan needs a fucking 45cm dish pointing somewhere
2017-03-12T10:51:51 < dongs> the shit wheer you get iridium-phone type thing is like 9600baud
2017-03-12T10:51:54 < dongs> for $$$ per byte
2017-03-12T10:52:03 < nmz787_> dongs: my interest is more for off-grid living
2017-03-12T10:52:40 < dongs> python, off-grid living, whats next
2017-03-12T10:52:45 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-12T10:52:54 < dongs> i'm starting to profile you as a psycopath serial killer-type guy
2017-03-12T10:53:34 < upgrdman> neat we'll hear he's written code in the lunix kernel
2017-03-12T10:53:49 < dongs> yea
2017-03-12T10:54:26 < nmz787_> I do think I've seen Linus Torvalds driving around in a Tesla
2017-03-12T10:54:40 < nmz787_> I've only compiled kernel modules though
2017-03-12T10:57:36 < dongs> only fags own teslas
2017-03-12T10:57:42 < dongs> so no wonder toreballs has one
2017-03-12T10:59:42 < dongs> sweet
2017-03-12T10:59:50 < dongs> so vyprvpn cheap tier now works wiht ipsec
2017-03-12T11:00:00 < dongs> excellent
2017-03-12T11:00:55 < upgrdman> whats ipsec. is that the verifable dns server shit
2017-03-12T11:01:58 < dongs> no, just VPN shit thats less likely to be blocked byt chinks
2017-03-12T11:02:01 < dongs> as opposed to PPTP
2017-03-12T11:02:09 < dongs> which is im almsot certain universally blockeed
2017-03-12T11:04:18 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-12T11:09:13 < dongs> ah maybe ill just bring my yodaphone
2017-03-12T11:09:16 < dongs> which has chink LTE bands
2017-03-12T11:09:28 < dongs> and If i dont succeed in finding a cheap wifi rental shit just stick a card in that oen
2017-03-12T11:13:12 < stm32> hitachi bong
2017-03-12T11:14:00 < rue_shop3> anyone have a bare-bones serial example for stm32?
2017-03-12T11:14:10 < rue_shop3> hello world?
2017-03-12T11:14:21 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2Nz65RI2/matixhasU.png
2017-03-12T11:14:29 < dongs> rue_shop3: stdperiph/hal surely does
2017-03-12T11:21:56 < nmz787_> dongs: your language is pretty awful...
2017-03-12T11:22:16 < dongs> thanks
2017-03-12T11:22:19 < nmz787_> dongs: why are you so rude?
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2017-03-12T11:22:31 < nmz787_> go somewhere else with that, leave this room technical
2017-03-12T11:22:41 < jpa-> haha
2017-03-12T11:23:02 < dongs> nmz787_: sounds good, did you have any STM32 questions?
2017-03-12T11:23:05 < dongs> that aren't about PYTHON?
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2017-03-12T11:23:36 < nmz787_> dongs: yes, that is why I am here, DUH
2017-03-12T11:24:37 < stm32> oh this is good
2017-03-12T11:25:58 < dongs> stm32, feel free to take over
2017-03-12T11:26:12 < stm32> stm32 has taken over
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2017-03-12T11:31:45 < ReadError> oh dear
2017-03-12T11:32:01 < ReadError> nmz787_: you done fuckin with the wrong bull, friend
2017-03-12T11:32:10 < ReadError> best to keep it movin
2017-03-12T11:39:02 < ohsix> are you his hype man again
2017-03-12T11:40:34 < jadew> ReadError, wtf image is that? I can't open it
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2017-03-12T11:41:41 < ohsix> it's bigmatix.txt
2017-03-12T11:43:06 < dongs> jadew: its 640x90000 pixels
2017-03-12T11:43:12 < dongs> probably only can be opened in filth like FIREFOX
2017-03-12T11:43:20 < ohsix> i opened it in chrome on the lunix
2017-03-12T11:43:29 < jadew> chrome on linux couldn't zoom on it
2017-03-12T11:43:34 < ohsix> really?
2017-03-12T11:43:34 < jadew> I opened it with darktable
2017-03-12T11:43:43 < jadew> yeah, it was disappearing
2017-03-12T11:43:54 < ohsix> hm what gpu
2017-03-12T11:44:01 < ohsix> and how much ram
2017-03-12T11:44:16 < jadew> 750 ti + 16 Gb RAM
2017-03-12T11:44:26 < ohsix> weird
2017-03-12T11:44:38 < ohsix> it isn't likely but i'd still have to verify the nvidia driver wasn't being shit about something
2017-03-12T11:44:49 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/sDC5Bhc.png
2017-03-12T11:45:18 < jadew> yeah, I didn't get that
2017-03-12T11:45:25 < jadew> only the dark gray stuff
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2017-03-12T11:45:51 < ohsix> werd
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2017-03-12T11:45:58 < stm32> i needa find me a 9V wall shit
2017-03-12T11:46:33 < ReadError> opens in chrome fine
2017-03-12T11:46:45 < ohsix> it's 640x72900
2017-03-12T11:47:02 < ReadError> yea 
2017-03-12T11:47:11 < stm32> the war on autism
2017-03-12T11:47:14 < ReadError> but something like 5000 lines
2017-03-12T11:47:43 < stm32> aint much of a war if we already lost the fucking thing
2017-03-12T11:47:44 < ohsix> ahem
2017-03-12T11:48:55 < ReadError> whats odd is the image grew after uploading
2017-03-12T11:48:59 < ReadError> cant figure that out
2017-03-12T11:49:04 < ohsix> sir
2017-03-12T11:49:05 < ReadError> on disk, 249kb
2017-03-12T11:49:14 < ReadError> after upload 1.65MB
2017-03-12T11:49:15 < ohsix> the characters are 20 pixels high, and the image 79200
2017-03-12T11:49:21 < ohsix> that's 3690 lines
2017-03-12T11:49:25 < ReadError> 4950
2017-03-12T11:49:31 < ReadError> is the wc -l
2017-03-12T11:49:59 < ohsix> the image fails
2017-03-12T11:50:24 < ohsix> those last 1200 lines are amazing, magnifique
2017-03-12T11:52:17 < ReadError> how do you figure 20px per char
2017-03-12T11:52:39 < ohsix> measured it
2017-03-12T11:53:55 < ReadError> font.char_w = 8
2017-03-12T11:53:55 < ReadError> font.char_h = 16;
2017-03-12T11:55:14 < ReadError> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/k1r37Yzb/
2017-03-12T11:55:43 < ReadError> so maybe 19
2017-03-12T11:56:56 < ReadError> 79200/16
2017-03-12T11:56:56 < ReadError> 4950
2017-03-12T11:57:01 < ReadError> 16
2017-03-12T11:57:17 < ohsix> this is asinine
2017-03-12T11:57:18 < ohsix> heheh
2017-03-12T11:57:30 < ReadError> why
2017-03-12T11:57:37 < ohsix> i could be reading
2017-03-12T11:58:30 < ohsix> read american psycho
2017-03-12T11:58:33 < ohsix> it is some serious shit
2017-03-12T11:59:10 < ohsix> the movie is actually really good to the book
2017-03-12T11:59:51 < ohsix> some stuff is moved around for movie-plot reasons, and they mostly ditched the stream of conciousnes shit, since the movie isn't 10 hours long
2017-03-12T12:00:30 < ohsix> the book is like 80% bateman describing what people are wearing and posturing, it's really disarming; and the contrast/not-contrast with the ultraviolence is really unsettling
2017-03-12T12:01:05 < dongs> rue_shop3: are you autisming
2017-03-12T12:01:07 < dongs> err
2017-03-12T12:01:08 < dongs> ReadError: ^
2017-03-12T12:01:16 < dongs> also today i drove by a van covered with bullet holes
2017-03-12T12:01:28 < stm32> anime
2017-03-12T12:01:33 < dongs> i gotta get me some of those stickers
2017-03-12T12:01:48 < dongs> maybe i can pattern them as a swastika
2017-03-12T12:02:26 < stm32> yeah
2017-03-12T12:02:37 < stm32> if you're not in germany
2017-03-12T12:02:44 < stm32> like Steffan
2017-03-12T12:03:52 < jadew> yeah, in Germany it's nothing special
2017-03-12T12:04:18 < stm32> i heard you could go to the jail for doing swastikas
2017-03-12T12:04:24 < ReadError> dongs: yes
2017-03-12T12:04:27 < dongs> where? in germany?
2017-03-12T12:04:36 < stm32> cause they're all LETS JUST PRETEND NOTHING HAPPENED
2017-03-12T12:04:50 < jadew> yeah hehe
2017-03-12T12:04:50 < stm32> they should be proud of their history
2017-03-12T12:05:09 < stm32> hitler accomplished most than your typical aspie
2017-03-12T12:05:14 < stm32> *more
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2017-03-12T12:27:35 < stm32> teck2
2017-03-12T12:29:38 < Steffanx> rue_shop3: libopencm3 has some less HALified examples too.
2017-03-12T12:34:55 < Steffanx> And they have a special irc channel for it.
2017-03-12T12:35:10 -!- puffs [puffin@swole.bulletproofnigga.com] has joined ##stm32
2017-03-12T12:35:41 < puffs>                     _..._
2017-03-12T12:35:44 < puffs>                  .-'     '-.
2017-03-12T12:35:46 < puffs>                 /     _\   _\
2017-03-12T12:35:48 < dongs> no.
2017-03-12T12:35:48 < puffs>                /':.  (o)  /__)
2017-03-12T12:35:50 < puffs>               /':. .,_    |  |  -- Surah 3:157:
2017-03-12T12:35:52 < puffs>              |': ; /  \   /_/      "If ye are slain, or die,
2017-03-12T12:35:54 < puffs>              /  ;  `"`"    }        in the way of Allah, forgiveness
2017-03-12T12:35:54 < stm32> hi ReadError 
2017-03-12T12:35:56 < puffs>             ; ':.,         {        and mercy from Allah are
2017-03-12T12:35:58 < puffs>            /      ;        }        far better than all they could
2017-03-12T12:36:00 < puffs>           ; '::.   ;\/\ /\ {        amass."
2017-03-12T12:36:02 < puffs>          |_________________\___
2017-03-12T12:36:02 < dongs> ReadError: get your retarded pals out of here
2017-03-12T12:36:04 < puffs>         _/'_/'_/'_/ _/ _/ _/ _/\   FOR ALLAH!!! ALLAH AKBAR!
2017-03-12T12:36:06 < puffs>        | || || || || || || || | |  KILL ALL INFIDELS! YAARRGH
2017-03-12T12:36:08 < puffs>        ======================== |
2017-03-12T12:36:10 < puffs>        | || || || || || || || | | 
2017-03-12T12:36:12 < puffs>       ;|_||_||_||_||_||_||_||_|  \
2017-03-12T12:36:14 < puffs>       ; ;  ;  ; ;  ;        /     \  ,--........,,
2017-03-12T12:36:16 < puffs>       |; ;  ;  ;  ;/       ;       \'           -='.
2017-03-12T12:36:18 < puffs>       | ;  ;  ; ; /       /       .\               :
2017-03-12T12:36:19 < ohsix> they were your retarded pals at one point dongs
2017-03-12T12:36:20 < puffs>       |  ;   ;  /`      .\   _,='"  \             .'
2017-03-12T12:36:22 < puffs>       \;  ; ; .'. _  ,_'\.\~"   //`. \          .'
2017-03-12T12:36:24 < puffs>       |  ;  .___~' \ \- | |    /,\ `  \      _.'
2017-03-12T12:36:26 < puffs>     ~ ; ; ;/  _,.-~'|`| | |       _,-''\..--'
2017-03-12T12:36:28 < puffs>     ~ /; ;/=""      |`| |`|    _="`
2017-03-12T12:36:30 < puffs>     ~..==`     \\   |`| / /_="`
2017-03-12T12:36:31 < ohsix> that's even penisbird
2017-03-12T12:36:32 < puffs>      ~` ~      /,\ / /_,)")
2017-03-12T12:36:34 < puffs>     ~ ~~       _,.-)")  
2017-03-12T12:36:36 < puffs>     ~ ~   _,=~"|
2017-03-12T12:36:38 < puffs>     ~  =~"|;  ;|      Suicidebomberbird
2017-03-12T12:36:40 < puffs>      ~  ~ | ;  |      =================
2017-03-12T12:36:42 < puffs>   ~ ~     |;|\ |
2017-03-12T12:36:44 < puffs>           |/  \|
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2017-03-12T12:37:14 < ohsix> my favorite thing when true_oper_no_flood, is the first 4 lines of bigmatix
2017-03-12T12:37:30 < ohsix> people think the whole thing is coming
2017-03-12T12:43:41 < ReadError> haha dongs
2017-03-12T12:43:46 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nblVrniR/ruby.png
2017-03-12T12:44:22 < dongs> that looks like the kinda shit dessimat0r would write
2017-03-12T12:51:55 < Steffanx> Cant you guys stop it?
2017-03-12T12:52:02 < dongs> don't look at me
2017-03-12T12:52:08 < dongs> its all pumpers
2017-03-12T12:52:37 < ohsix> we didn't start the fire
2017-03-12T12:52:44 < ohsix> it was always burning since the worlds' been turning
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2017-03-12T12:57:02 < stm32> Steffanx: this is what mr d means when he talks about pumpers
2017-03-12T12:59:22 < ohsix> they're not just ReadError's friends
2017-03-12T12:59:42 < ReadError> im not a pumper
2017-03-12T12:59:45 < ReadError> stm32 is 
2017-03-12T13:00:03  * stm32 claps
2017-03-12T13:00:30 < stm32> you know its just going to piss him off if you take this crap here
2017-03-12T13:01:47 < stm32> since leeloo commited seppuku and quit irc things have been better
2017-03-12T13:03:17 < ohsix> is he dead?
2017-03-12T13:03:18 < ReadError> who does R2COM talk about trannies with now
2017-03-12T13:04:21 < stm32> the pumpers
2017-03-12T13:04:27 < stm32> according to ED they love trannies
2017-03-12T13:04:50 < ohsix> hrm shrug, i feel a little bad about leeloo being dead, she was insufferable but not a horrible person
2017-03-12T13:07:51 < Steffanx> Gone != dead
2017-03-12T13:08:19 < ohsix> i find it hard to believe that he'd leave if he were still alive
2017-03-12T13:09:37 < Steffanx> I banned her, she quit irc after that.
2017-03-12T13:09:50 < ohsix> that's pretty heavy, man
2017-03-12T13:09:58 < ohsix> i don't know how i'd feel if i were responsible for someones death
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2017-03-12T13:10:33 < Steffanx> Lol joker.
2017-03-12T13:10:53 < stm32> crt is so funny
2017-03-12T13:13:15 < Steffanx> You first have to feel responsible ohsix. ;)
2017-03-12T13:14:21 < ohsix> i've never been accused of caring too little
2017-03-12T13:18:39 < stm32> isopropyl alcohol 
2017-03-12T13:28:26 < ReadError> uh
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2017-03-12T13:52:35 < jadew> have you guys ever found some banana to pin socket leads?
2017-03-12T13:53:03 < jadew> I made some from a couple of jumper wires, but they're too short and I'd like to have more
2017-03-12T13:56:57 < dongs> wat
2017-03-12T13:57:25 < dongs> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/1200x900/2666-03.jpg
2017-03-12T13:57:27 < dongs> you mean this?
2017-03-12T13:57:42 < dongs> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2666 $8.00 plz
2017-03-12T13:57:51 < jadew> yes
2017-03-12T13:57:56 < dongs> please tell me this is for like 50 of them
2017-03-12T13:58:00 < jadew> and lol at the price
2017-03-12T13:58:08 < dongs> fucking aidsfruit
2017-03-12T13:58:15 < dongs> jadew: i bet chinagirl can crimp 100 of these for like $.10 each
2017-03-12T13:58:40 < stm32> yaha
2017-03-12T13:58:47 < Steffanx> ok, better get use 100 :)
2017-03-12T13:58:51 < Steffanx> *us
2017-03-12T13:58:54 < Steffanx> each.
2017-03-12T13:58:54 < stm32> me2
2017-03-12T13:59:07 < dongs> sounds liek a plan, start a wire group buy
2017-03-12T13:59:09 < stm32> i'd be happy with 10
2017-03-12T13:59:20 < jadew> he said she'd crimp them for .10
2017-03-12T13:59:30 < jadew> so .10 + price of wire, banana and socket
2017-03-12T13:59:30 < stm32> yes
2017-03-12T13:59:42 < stm32> the old socket
2017-03-12T14:00:11 < dongs> jadew: probly .10 total for evrything
2017-03-12T14:00:24 < dongs> i get a 10x wire breakout with those single pins on the end for aroudn 50c/ea
2017-03-12T14:00:32 < dongs> for ~15cm length
2017-03-12T14:01:19 < jadew> if I can't find them anywhere else, I'm up for a group buy
2017-03-12T14:01:28 < stm32> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/mill-max-manufacturing-corp/801-43-001-62-001000/ED10301-ND/4456785
2017-03-12T14:01:29 < stm32> lol
2017-03-12T14:01:44 < dongs> i sampled some trash from millmax
2017-03-12T14:01:48 < dongs> they're still spamming me
2017-03-12T14:01:51 < dongs> some spring-loaded stuff
2017-03-12T14:01:55 < Steffanx> Shipping will probably 100 times the cost of the cables
2017-03-12T14:02:02 < stm32> spring loaded is kool
2017-03-12T14:02:05 < Thorn> what are the most common smd packages for xtals? aliexpress seems to have 5032 (which are over 2x as expensive as hc-49s)
2017-03-12T14:02:14 < dongs> Thorn: it depends on frequency
2017-03-12T14:02:31 < Thorn> 8MHz
2017-03-12T14:02:34 < jadew> dongs, pff, I sampled something from minicircuits and they started calling me
2017-03-12T14:02:35 < dongs> everything is chawepest in hc49, followed by 12mhz+ in 3225
2017-03-12T14:02:59 < dongs> 8mhz in 3225 is expensive so next up is chepest
2017-03-12T14:03:12 < jadew> and I only sampled, because I couldn't buy their shit in small quantities
2017-03-12T14:03:19 < Thorn> ok so should I look for 16MHz instead
2017-03-12T14:03:30 < jadew> they wanted to sell me 50 of something, and I was in the prototyping phase
2017-03-12T14:04:02 < Thorn> yeah that seems cheaper
2017-03-12T14:04:13 < dongs> Thorn: crystal for what?
2017-03-12T14:04:14 < dongs> stm32?
2017-03-12T14:04:28 < Thorn> yes
2017-03-12T14:04:31 < dongs> you can use 12 or 25
2017-03-12T14:04:38 < dongs> both will do USB and stuff on most series
2017-03-12T14:04:41 < jadew> speaking of crystals, I met someone who used to work at a factory that made them - didn't know they're just glass
2017-03-12T14:04:52 < dongs> 12 if you have F1/need usb/dont need ethernet, or 25 if you need ethernet
2017-03-12T14:05:00 < dongs> as you can reuse same one for phy as well
2017-03-12T14:05:06 < dongs> 16mhz is kinda pointless
2017-03-12T14:05:13 < Thorn> ok testing in cube
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2017-03-12T14:05:41 < dongs> anyway HC49 SMD is pretty common everywehre, and cheap as shit
2017-03-12T14:05:46 < dongs> if y ou dont care about space, they work fine
2017-03-12T14:07:39 < BrainDamage> jadew: glass is not quartz, while boh are SiO2, one is a crystal the other is not, and before you're going to claim they are the same thing, try to sell a piece of coal as diamon, despite both being lumps of carbon, the structure makes the difference
2017-03-12T14:07:59 < jadew> BrainDamage, I didn't say they're the same
2017-03-12T14:08:05 < jadew> the crystals we are buying tho, are glass
2017-03-12T14:08:12 < dongs> meth crystals
2017-03-12T14:08:16 < jadew> apparently the quartz is used only at the factory
2017-03-12T14:08:18 < dongs> amirite
2017-03-12T14:08:35 < jadew> they have it oscillating at the right frequency and then they deposit glass on top of it
2017-03-12T14:08:55 < jadew> and that's how they transfer the resonating frequency onto the glass
2017-03-12T14:09:06 < jadew> then they take that glass and package it
2017-03-12T14:09:16 < jpa-> haven't heard of such process before
2017-03-12T14:09:27 < jadew> that's what that guy told me they're doing
2017-03-12T14:09:45 < jadew> apparently the angle the glass is cut at is important too, but I didn't understand exactly how
2017-03-12T14:10:01 < jpa-> though when you deposit glass on a quartz crystal in thin layers, it will copy the crystal structure.. not sure how having it resonating at the time would affect it
2017-03-12T14:10:10 < jadew> he said they could trim it like that but that the angle was more important than the length
2017-03-12T14:10:19 < jpa-> angle is important if it is a crystal
2017-03-12T14:10:32 < BrainDamage> angle determines the crystalline planes
2017-03-12T14:10:49 < BrainDamage> and depositing glass toa crystal makes another crystal, so it's again quartz
2017-03-12T14:11:22 < jpa-> depositing carbon on diamonds is how they make artificial diamonds :P
2017-03-12T14:12:17 < ReadError> glass is a liquid.
2017-03-12T14:12:39 < BrainDamage> and war is peace? it's not a liquid
2017-03-12T14:13:44 < ReadError> ok, its really a amorphous solid
2017-03-12T14:14:29 < jpa-> you're an amorphous solid
2017-03-12T14:14:50 < Steffanx> jpa- is more like a pudding?
2017-03-12T14:15:25 < jpa-> mm.. pudding
2017-03-12T14:15:27 < jadew> BrainDamage, so why would they deposit quartz on quartz?
2017-03-12T14:15:44 < BrainDamage> the quartz is a consequence of the growth
2017-03-12T14:16:15 < jadew> are they chemically the same?
2017-03-12T14:16:21 < BrainDamage> making a good crystal is a giant pain in the ass, even more so when you want a crystal grown with the planes in a particular direction
2017-03-12T14:16:22 < jpa-> jadew: you take cheap glass, vaporize it and deposit it on quartz, you get more quartz
2017-03-12T14:16:48 < jadew> ah, I see, so they're basically growing quartz?
2017-03-12T14:16:53 < BrainDamage> yup
2017-03-12T14:16:55 < jpa-> jadew: yeah, they should be for that process (a generic window pane -level glass of course has a lot more impurities)
2017-03-12T14:17:14 < BrainDamage> this way they copy the quartz's crystalline planes below, and they have a large slab of quartz with the planes aligned to the seed below
2017-03-12T14:17:38 < jadew> ok, that makes sense
2017-03-12T14:17:51 < jadew> that guy couldn't explain it, I suspect he didn't really know what was going on
2017-03-12T14:17:59 < BrainDamage> there's more refined methods, cholzrarsky ( spelling? ) growth, etc, but they don't need such level of precision
2017-03-12T14:19:55 < Thorn> 12MHz 3225 $0.094 qty 100, no ppm, capacitance or anything
2017-03-12T14:20:37 < Thorn> oh no I missed it, here it is: Load Capacitance:standard Frequency Tolerance:standard
2017-03-12T14:21:02 < jadew> so good enough for USB
2017-03-12T14:22:29 < Thorn> I got a clock config with usb and max HCLK in cube for 8MHz too btw
2017-03-12T14:23:36 < Thorn> (for F4 that is)
2017-03-12T14:29:12 < stm32> would you like to see it up close
2017-03-12T14:29:18 < stm32> so you can get a better look at it?
2017-03-12T14:34:12 < stm32> http://i.imgur.com/UDCzKUC.jpg
2017-03-12T14:35:18 < ReadError> good ole terry davis eh?
2017-03-12T14:37:21 < jadew> if that guy lived 1000 years ago, he'd have a book in the bible
2017-03-12T14:37:50 < stm32> yeah
2017-03-12T14:38:39 < stm32> Development for TempleOS began in 2003 after Davis suffered from a series of manic episodes that left him briefly hospitalized for mental health issues.
2017-03-12T14:38:43 < stm32> lol
2017-03-12T14:38:54 < stm32> rolls right off the tongue
2017-03-12T14:39:15 < jadew> wanna bet that there's going to be a movie after this guy in the future?
2017-03-12T14:40:21 < stm32> i dunno
2017-03-12T14:40:51 < jadew> either something like Napoleon Dynamite or something like Phenomenon
2017-03-12T14:41:08 < jadew> and it's going to be an action movie
2017-03-12T14:41:32 < jadew> the guy makes an OS that helps him talk to god
2017-03-12T14:41:43 < jadew> the CIA wants to get their hands on it
2017-03-12T14:42:39 < jadew> I'd watch it
2017-03-12T14:48:19 < stm32> i'd consider it if i were on drugs
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2017-03-12T15:42:51 < jadew> what kind of refresh rate can I get with FSMC + SSD1963 and a 800x480 TFT?
2017-03-12T15:43:57 < jadew> I keep reading about shit refresh rates, like 5-6 Hz
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2017-03-12T16:19:45 < Steffanx> Tectu we need you as our personal display expert.
2017-03-12T16:22:06 < jadew`> oh well, I'll have to investigate myself anyway
2017-03-12T16:22:16 < jadew`> haven't played with TFTs before, should be fun
2017-03-12T16:22:51 < Steffanx> but Tectu is our ##stm32 display expert.
2017-03-12T16:23:16 < Steffanx> When you say display you say Tek2
2017-03-12T16:25:07 < Steffanx> Why no ltdc jadew`?
2017-03-12T16:25:44 < jadew`> Steffanx, not sure yet, that would drive it directly, right?
2017-03-12T16:25:56 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-03-12T16:26:15 < jadew`> I want to get it working with this driver IC first just to get my feet wet
2017-03-12T16:26:34 < jadew`> then I'll look into what's cheapest
2017-03-12T16:28:08 < Steffanx> Doing the gfx yourself?
2017-03-12T16:28:21 < Steffanx> I mean the drawing routines
2017-03-12T16:28:24 < jadew`> yeah
2017-03-12T16:30:13 < Steffanx> Better C++ it and make it as nice (imho) as touchgfx
2017-03-12T16:32:34 < jadew`> man, that's pricey
2017-03-12T16:33:23 < Steffanx> Yes, but i liked it based on their example.code/demos
2017-03-12T16:33:59 < jadew`> I can probably roll up a super nice GUI interface if wanted to, already did that for windows
2017-03-12T16:34:08 < jadew`> I could probably repurpose a lot of it if I wanted to
2017-03-12T16:34:31 < jadew`> but anyway, I just want to draw some lines and some text atm
2017-03-12T16:34:42 < jadew`> and I don't have enough time for yet another project :)
2017-03-12T16:35:21 < Steffanx> Yeah, sooner or later you will make your living out of it
2017-03-12T16:35:49 < jadew`> hope so, I have this thing where I lose interest when I'm close to finish something
2017-03-12T16:36:51 < jadew`> yeah, touchgfx looks very polished
2017-03-12T16:37:58 < Steffanx> Haha that sounds familiar.
2017-03-12T16:38:35 < jadew`> I think that for long term projects you have to get in a different state of mind when you're self employed
2017-03-12T16:38:54 < jadew`> like, assume that you're at a regular job and you HAVE to do it
2017-03-12T16:39:08 < ReadError> https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/03/09/anyone-actually-visit-stack-overflows-home-page/?cb=1
2017-03-12T16:39:11 < ReadError> lol
2017-03-12T16:40:29 < Steffanx> Exactly jadew`
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2017-03-12T16:42:38 < Rob235> http://www.sciencealert.com/this-new-phenomenon-accelerates-electrons-to-speeds-physicists-didn-t-even-know-were-possible
2017-03-12T17:09:13 < Rob235> does emitting a higher frequency take more power?
2017-03-12T17:09:26 < Rob235> or does the frequency not matter
2017-03-12T17:10:15 < jadew`> is this about the article?
2017-03-12T17:10:53 < jadew`> (I didn't read it)
2017-03-12T17:11:06 < Rob235> nope
2017-03-12T17:11:11 < Rob235> just random question
2017-03-12T17:11:17 < jadew`> then no
2017-03-12T17:11:34 < Rob235> ok
2017-03-12T17:12:30 < jadew`> it will cost you more to switch faster tho
2017-03-12T17:12:59 < jadew`> so there's power consumption in generating that frequency
2017-03-12T17:13:08 < Rob235> I see
2017-03-12T17:13:51 < jadew`> hmm, maybe I'm wrong
2017-03-12T17:14:08 < jadew`> higher frequency does pack more energy I guess
2017-03-12T17:15:47 < jadew`> no... that can't be right
2017-03-12T17:17:22 < jadew`> yeah, it's not right
2017-03-12T17:17:45 < jadew`> x Watts at 10 MHz will have the same amplitude as x Watts at 1 GHz, so same energy
2017-03-12T17:18:34 < Rob235> I'm thinking of designing/creating smart sockets just for my room (staying with gf's parents for a bit so distance isn't a problem, just want our room connected. just thinking about various ways of doing it.  
2017-03-12T17:18:46 < Rob235> ok yea thats what I was thinking but wasnt sure
2017-03-12T17:20:02 < Steffanx> Anything from 433MHz to 2.4GHz should work for that. Especially when you go with some mesh network.
2017-03-12T17:20:19 < Steffanx> The commercial stuff uses those frequencies, or something in between
2017-03-12T17:20:49 < Rob235> do I have to worry about wifi interference or just stay below 2.4 and I'm fine
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2017-03-12T17:21:40 < Rob235> I was thinking of having everything wifi connected but having its own frequency connected to a hub sounds like a better option
2017-03-12T17:22:14 < jadew`> so use one of the nordic chips
2017-03-12T17:22:43 < jadew`> the 2.4 GHz modules
2017-03-12T17:23:39 < jadew`> I don't know how the 433 MHz trancievers compare, but those cheap modules suck
2017-03-12T17:24:02 < Steffanx> HopeRF does some cheapish modules and those arent too bad.
2017-03-12T17:25:13 < Rob235> I needs me a 3d printer
2017-03-12T17:25:26 < Rob235> anyone wanna give me a bday present? :)
2017-03-12T17:26:12 < Steffanx> Your birthday is far far away in time
2017-03-12T17:26:17 < jadew`> I want one too, but I want it to be CNC instead :P
2017-03-12T17:26:42 < Rob235> why is it far far away
2017-03-12T17:26:59 < jadew`> cuz you're not getting a 3d printer :P
2017-03-12T17:27:06 < Rob235> haha
2017-03-12T17:27:13 < Rob235> my bday is today
2017-03-12T17:27:25 < jadew`> really? happy birthday!
2017-03-12T17:27:51 < Rob235> yup, thanks
2017-03-12T17:29:27 < jadew`> so how old are you now?
2017-03-12T17:29:45 < Rob235> 33
2017-03-12T17:30:39 < Steffanx> Happy brithday grandpa :P
2017-03-12T17:30:58 < jadew`> you're older than I am :P
2017-03-12T17:31:13 < Rob235> thanks little boy
2017-03-12T17:31:41 < jadew`> I turned 32 a couple of weeks ago
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2017-03-12T17:32:06 < Steffanx> damn, and they some people expected me to be much other. I thought you were like 35+ at least jadew` :P
2017-03-12T17:32:45 < jadew`> gee, thanks...
2017-03-12T17:33:02 < Rob235> happy belated bday
2017-03-12T17:33:02 < jadew`> my wife told me yesterday that I need new clothes, cuz I look like a grandpa from behind
2017-03-12T17:33:06 < jadew`> thanks
2017-03-12T17:33:26 < Rob235> work out your saggy ass
2017-03-12T17:33:37 < jadew`> it was the saggy pants she didn't like
2017-03-12T17:33:41 < jadew`> and the old shoes
2017-03-12T17:33:44 < jadew`> and the jacket
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2017-03-12T17:45:04 < Steffanx> hah jadew`
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2017-03-12T17:58:52 < Steffanx> @#$%ˆ&UI fuck ebay/paypal.
2017-03-12T18:02:07 < Steffanx> Ebay cancelled an order because they suspected some 3rd party had unauthorized access to the sellers account. They told me to solve it with paypal, but paypal website is unclear and is fucked.
2017-03-12T18:04:54 < Laurenceb_> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c14_1489293229
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2017-03-12T18:27:31 < Steffanx> The fact that it's filmed with a potato saves you Laurenceb_. otherwise i would have said: Pedo is gonna pedo.
2017-03-12T18:32:38 < Laurenceb_> I didn't know dongs was dead
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2017-03-12T19:08:38 < KreAture> I became an uncle yesterday, again!
2017-03-12T19:08:54 < KreAture> This time a boy so I can finally buy the toys that make the noise!
2017-03-12T19:09:24 < KreAture> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vSw0zDDc4I
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2017-03-12T19:18:53 < Laurenceb_> yay
2017-03-12T19:26:52 < Steffanx> You can make toys like jpa- does for his nephew KreAture
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2017-03-12T19:29:30 < Laurenceb_> We like the concept of common law where whatever the community finds to be ban worthy becomes ban worthy and is unwritten and flexible. So for example, there's a consensus here that sealposting is cancer so it should be a ban worthy offence
2017-03-12T19:29:34 < Laurenceb_> b& for life
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2017-03-12T19:34:26 < Steffanx> Who said dongs is dead Laurenceb_? Your friends from dramapedia told you?
2017-03-12T19:34:42 < Laurenceb_> well it looked like his funeral thats all
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2017-03-12T19:37:26  * KreAture wonders why seals are so loathed here
2017-03-12T19:37:35 < KreAture> They are nice and cuddly guys
2017-03-12T19:39:08 < Laurenceb_> here? This isn't 4chan
2017-03-12T19:40:09 < Laurenceb_> maybe we could raid 4chan and post seals
2017-03-12T19:40:28 < Steffanx> take your buddies ohsix and ReadError. They enjoy things like that.
2017-03-12T19:41:18 < ReadError> nah 
2017-03-12T19:42:25 < Laurenceb_> tfw every board is 100% seal pictures
2017-03-12T19:46:32 < KreAture> lol
2017-03-12T20:02:04 < Laurenceb_> yo dawg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx52A-v65Q8&list=PLSPi1JFx4_-Gz0Fm0qq2KUz4c22UbZCco
2017-03-12T20:02:37 < Laurenceb_> e-celeb drama intensifies
2017-03-12T20:02:52 < Laurenceb_> six T H O U S A N D
2017-03-12T20:10:30 < corecode_> so
2017-03-12T20:11:25 < corecode_> is there a way to have the spi module drive CS low and high again, without disabling the peripheral?
2017-03-12T20:18:04 < jadew`> maybe via the SSM bit?
2017-03-12T20:19:18 < jadew`> corecode_ ^
2017-03-12T20:20:33 < aandrew> we were talking about ultrasonic transducers a few days ago: http://imajeenyus.com/electronics/20110514_power_ultrasonic_driver/index.shtml
2017-03-12T20:20:41 < corecode_> OH
2017-03-12T20:20:54 < corecode_> so you think i can reset that pin via SSI
2017-03-12T20:21:13 < corecode_> by setting SSM?
2017-03-12T20:21:18 < corecode_> and then clearing it again?
2017-03-12T20:24:13 < jadew`> corecode_, I think that if you clear SSM, the NSS pin will start outputtting whatever the GPIO is set to output
2017-03-12T20:24:33 < jadew`> at least the datasheet seems to suggest that, in the description of the SSI bit
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2017-03-12T22:39:27 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: 
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2017-03-12T22:58:07 < corecode_> jadew`: yea
2017-03-12T22:58:12 < corecode_> well that's poop
2017-03-12T22:58:37 < corecode_> i hear people complaining about the kinetis peripherals, but at least they can do automatic dma+CS
2017-03-12T23:01:02 < zyp> that doesn't sound very useful
2017-03-12T23:02:01 < zyp> I mean, unless you can chain multiple DMA jobs to multiple slaves without CPU intervention, you'd have to do cpu work between jobs anyway, so there's not really a huge advantage in having CS be hardware driven
2017-03-12T23:03:04 < zyp> and the hardware CS periphs likes deasserting CS between bytes, which fucks up slaves that resets their internal state machine on CS deassertion
2017-03-12T23:06:21 < jpa-> and if you really happen to need it with STM32, you can loop back the SPI clock to timer and use that to generate CS
2017-03-12T23:06:48 < jpa-> which i used when driving some led matrix stuff
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2017-03-12T23:31:10 < corecode_> zyp: not on the kinetis
2017-03-12T23:31:35 < zyp> so who drives CS? SPI periph or DMA?
2017-03-12T23:32:02 < corecode_> spi, informed by dma ("last byte transfered")
2017-03-12T23:32:10 < corecode_> at least that's what i remember
2017-03-12T23:32:13 < corecode_> i may be completely wrong
2017-03-12T23:32:17 < zyp> oh
2017-03-12T23:32:47 < zyp> what about when not using DMA? how does hardware-controlled CS work then?
2017-03-12T23:33:13 < Steffanx> Some also have "handy" stuff like.. release the cs after x cycles of no new data in the data register.
2017-03-12T23:33:37 < kakimir> work goes mad
2017-03-12T23:33:56 < kakimir> 3:45 begin commute
2017-03-12T23:34:07 < Steffanx> Hmm, what exactly did you do jpa-? How is that easier than just deasserting cs when dma is done?
2017-03-12T23:34:10 < kakimir> for one days work
2017-03-12T23:34:23 < zyp> Steffanx, probably circular DMA
2017-03-12T23:35:14 < zyp> led matrix is multiplexed, so you need to alternate between lines fast, so you keep a framebuffer on the MCU
2017-03-12T23:35:35 < zyp> circular DMA job from that, loop SCK back into a timer to generate latch signals and stuff to switch lines
2017-03-12T23:37:34 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ldMgR.JPG <- I could do the same shit with this thing
2017-03-12T23:39:21 < zyp> I'm using a sink led driver chip to drive each col in the active row, and a transistor-buffered shift register to drive the row selects
2017-03-12T23:40:37 < zyp> driver latch and row select clock is tied together, so the driver latches at the same time the row select shifts one row down
2017-03-12T23:41:08 < zyp> on first row I shift in a 1, and then it just makes its way down
2017-03-12T23:41:32 < zyp> so I could generate the latch pulse and the first row bit with two timer channels on a timer clocked from SCK
2017-03-12T23:42:12 < zyp> on the picture I just do it on cpu
2017-03-12T23:42:39 < Steffanx> thmm.
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2017-03-13T00:16:19 < stm32> Flipp
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2017-03-13T00:23:17 < Steffanx> Flop
2017-03-13T00:26:22 < stm32> Hiiiii
2017-03-13T00:28:20 < Fleck> laaaaaaariiiiiouuuuus
2017-03-13T00:29:00 < Steffanx> Flecky. How is you?
2017-03-13T00:29:26 < Fleck> like that ^^ :p
2017-03-13T00:29:38 < Fleck> Stiffany
2017-03-13T00:29:55 < Steffanx> Same ols.
2017-03-13T00:29:59 < Steffanx> Old.
2017-03-13T00:32:15 < stm32> Animals bugging me for food 
2017-03-13T00:32:26 < Steffanx> Why arent you asleep yet Fleck?
2017-03-13T00:32:32 < Steffanx> No work today?
2017-03-13T00:32:56 < Fleck> always work!
2017-03-13T00:33:09 < Steffanx> Self employed?
2017-03-13T00:33:24 < Fleck> nope
2017-03-13T00:33:36 < Steffanx> Not employed?
2017-03-13T00:35:19 < Steffanx> Just curious what you do for a living Fleck
2017-03-13T00:35:36 < stm32> I am employed by the cat
2017-03-13T00:36:17 < Fleck> I work Steffanx
2017-03-13T00:36:24 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-13T00:36:54 < stm32> The interrogation
2017-03-13T00:37:00 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/u6ubqvE.png
2017-03-13T00:38:22 < Steffanx> Not funny upgrdman 
2017-03-13T00:38:30 < upgrdman> :(
2017-03-13T00:38:46 < stm32> Leave those kids alone 
2017-03-13T00:39:14 < ReadError> found sokme sexy shit
2017-03-13T00:39:17 < ReadError> privacy.com 
2017-03-13T00:39:21 < ReadError> USA only but
2017-03-13T00:39:26 < ReadError> What billing name and address should I enter?
2017-03-13T00:39:26 < ReadError> You can use any billing name and address you'd like with a Privacy card! You can use your real information or a pseudonym. We recommend using your real information for physical goods in case you want to return them. If you use a pseudonym, don't go too crazy - merchants may decline something completely outlandish!
2017-03-13T00:39:28 < stm32> What
2017-03-13T00:39:37 < ReadError> lets you make 1 time use burner creditcards
2017-03-13T00:39:59 < ReadError> with a set limit or w/e for subscription type shit
2017-03-13T00:40:29 < stm32> Yeah ill buy a knife and rubber duck with it
2017-03-13T01:06:23 < kakimir> should I buy shit from nick pussyhunter..
2017-03-13T01:06:40 < kakimir> and younger than me
2017-03-13T01:08:43 < stm32> yes
2017-03-13T01:08:54 < stm32> buy the gear
2017-03-13T01:10:26 < stm32> hunt the pussy
2017-03-13T01:48:36 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/gztq9jkr2vky.jpg
2017-03-13T01:49:07 < stm32> le graduate face
2017-03-13T01:52:23 < zyp> upgrdman, I'd say main problem is that num is signed, but negative values aren't handled
2017-03-13T01:52:34 < zyp> (and returning long long seems kinda pointless)
2017-03-13T01:52:40 < upgrdman> heh
2017-03-13T01:52:42 < emeryth> fake because it's not JS
2017-03-13T01:53:36 < upgrdman> thats not my code, but i have to admit to so similar shit a few years ago. complete with pyramid code pattern like that.
2017-03-13T01:53:57 < upgrdman> althought i think my worst "pyramid" was onlike 5 or 6 lines
2017-03-13T02:01:35 < zyp> that function should be fairly trivial if you don't have to cover negative numbers
2017-03-13T02:02:26 < zyp> int i = 1; while(num > 9) {i++; num /= 10;} return i;
2017-03-13T02:03:39 < stm32> the zyp algorithm
2017-03-13T02:04:13 < zyp> but comparisons might be faster if you don't have hardware divide :)
2017-03-13T02:04:15 < Thorn> https://github.com/pthorn/safe-formatted-print/blob/master/src/fmt.cc#L17
2017-03-13T02:04:27 < zyp> although, in that case you wouldn't have very fast long long either :)
2017-03-13T02:07:27 < stm32> welkom R2bro
2017-03-13T02:09:25 < KreAture> Hmm
2017-03-13T02:09:44 < KreAture> Having a computer suddently die on you is when you realize how important it is to push your shit and not just commit it
2017-03-13T02:09:47 < KreAture> :)
2017-03-13T02:11:12 < stm32> going well
2017-03-13T02:21:04 < aandrew> hah
2017-03-13T02:21:18 < aandrew> I use syncthing to have a live mirroring
2017-03-13T02:21:25 < aandrew> but yeah pushing and backups are important
2017-03-13T02:21:38 < englishman> syncthing has been great
2017-03-13T02:21:43 < aandrew> yep
2017-03-13T02:22:01 < aandrew> one weirdness I've noticed recently is that it seems to have conflicts for no definable reason
2017-03-13T02:22:09 < aandrew> i.e. machine A and B, I'm owrking on A and B is idle
2017-03-13T02:22:30 < aandrew> editing files on A I see the odd conflict show up. they're all benign and the sync works, but I'm not sure why they're showing as conflicted
2017-03-13T02:22:58 < englishman> yeah it has no idea what is going on
2017-03-13T02:23:03 < englishman> sometimes
2017-03-13T02:23:14 < aandrew> thought perhaps it was because I had a file open on both machines but that hasn't been the case
2017-03-13T02:23:25 < aandrew> and it's always been on text files, never on binaries
2017-03-13T02:23:41 < aandrew> i.e. syncing a directory with source+objects+executables
2017-03-13T02:23:55 < aandrew> when there are conflicts it's on a few of the source only, never anything else
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2017-03-13T02:53:24 < KreAture> aandrew: autosave on both machines can cause that
2017-03-13T02:53:27 < KreAture> hehe
2017-03-13T02:53:42 < aandrew> KreAture: sublime text doesn't have autosave
2017-03-13T02:53:52 < aandrew> anyway, seems to be a minor issue
2017-03-13T02:53:52 < KreAture> haha
2017-03-13T02:54:03 < KreAture> no it doesn't but plenty of apps do
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2017-03-13T02:54:53 < tcurdt> did I just (somehow) fry my stm32 or what did happen here? any thoughts? it suddenly stopped flashing https://github.com/texane/stlink/issues/568
2017-03-13T02:56:09 < KreAture> I've had that happen on a few units
2017-03-13T02:56:35 < KreAture> Holding reset and using stlink app to connect under reset and do erase usually fixes em for me
2017-03-13T02:56:54 < KreAture> dunno what happens really but they kinda stop reacting normally
2017-03-13T02:57:40 < tcurdt> KreAture I did try a "st-flash erase" while holding the reset button ... that's what you meant, right?
2017-03-13T03:00:19 < tcurdt> I somewhere read about connecting boot0 to vcc ... is that necessary maybe?
2017-03-13T03:08:16 < tcurdt> that fixed it
2017-03-13T03:08:38 < tcurdt> still would love to understand what happened there
2017-03-13T03:17:00 < tcurdt> darn ... I was able to reproduce it
2017-03-13T03:17:24 < tcurdt> flashing the bin seems to wreck it
2017-03-13T03:17:29 < tcurdt> how is that possible?
2017-03-13T03:48:59 < KreAture> yes tcurdt
2017-03-13T03:49:28 < KreAture> tcurdt: the boot0 to vcc made it go into bootloader mode I think or somehow block the normal loading
2017-03-13T03:49:42 < KreAture> IN that mode the code that made it hang and refused to let you load code was blocked
2017-03-13T03:49:58 < KreAture> one code that will fubar such loading is the disabeling of the debug/programming interface
2017-03-13T03:50:29 < KreAture> by preventing that code (which may have been programmed by accident) from running you can then erase it
2017-03-13T03:51:17 < KreAture> your bin may have some code that eiter creates an interrupt storm or such that does something to the debug, or in some other way fiddles pinns used for debug
2017-03-13T03:51:36 < KreAture> I've experienced this multiple times when setting up FreeRTOS on some stm's
2017-03-13T03:52:09 < KreAture> Not 100% what part of the code is t blame though, but interrupts and powersaving seem to be high on my list
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2017-03-13T03:54:08 < ohsix> dump king
2017-03-13T03:54:16 < tcurdt> KreAture interesting ... thanks!
2017-03-13T03:56:43 < ohsix> aandrew: nice ultrasonic thing
2017-03-13T03:57:11 < ohsix> didn't expect someone machining a horn for the thing
2017-03-13T03:58:28 < ohsix> haw, the video at the bottom, that's one of the signal generators we've got @ the lab
2017-03-13T04:06:30 < tcurdt> any idea why a digitalWrite(PIN_LED, LOW); could turn the onboard LED on (instead of off)?
2017-03-13T04:07:55 < fenugrec> tcurdt check how the LED is wired
2017-03-13T04:07:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: someone else saw that thing https://gist.github.com/henninglive/8ade7fb632cb6729bf7f1de16dc27742#file-num_digits-rs-L62
2017-03-13T04:08:03 < fenugrec> probably the other end goes to VDD through a R
2017-03-13T04:08:47 < upgrdman> ohsix, wtf's .rs
2017-03-13T04:08:52 < upgrdman> ruby?
2017-03-13T04:09:48 < tcurdt> fenugrec it's a STM32F103C8 ... I guess I could try to find the schematic ... but wouldn't that be odd for an ob-board led?
2017-03-13T04:10:21 < fenugrec> no
2017-03-13T04:10:23 < ohsix> some scab site that does ocr and hosts the image with teh text is the only results for that code tho
2017-03-13T04:10:41 < fenugrec> heh you're actually the second to ask that today
2017-03-13T04:11:05 < tcurdt> fenugrec me?
2017-03-13T04:11:26 < ohsix> upgrdman: rust
2017-03-13T04:11:36 < fenugrec> tcurdt yes
2017-03-13T04:11:43 < ohsix> upgrdman: someone did the hard work to get rust to run on stm32 fwiw, if you wanna dick with it
2017-03-13T04:11:44 < tcurdt> crazy :)
2017-03-13T04:12:04 < upgrdman> why is rust noteworthy
2017-03-13T04:12:06 < ohsix> tcurdt: cuz the gpio pulls it down to ground instead of up
2017-03-13T04:12:53 < ohsix> when both are ground or 3v3 not enough voltage diff is going to be there to light the led, but you can do it both ways
2017-03-13T04:13:59 < tcurdt> ohsix it's somewhat clear from the electronics pov - but I never expected that to be the case for an onboard led
2017-03-13T04:15:25 < ohsix> node boards have it the same way
2017-03-13T04:15:47 < ohsix> i used the pulldown already on there for a button for a hack recently olol
2017-03-13T04:16:03 < ohsix> bonus: the light lit up when you pressed the button
2017-03-13T04:16:51 < tcurdt> hahaha
2017-03-13T04:16:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: you might really like this website https://pics.onsizzle.com/yo-whats-your-favorite-distro-me-dabian-16099685.png
2017-03-13T04:18:17 < upgrdman> ohsix, hmm. i need to torrent SBSP
2017-03-13T04:18:26 < ohsix> Scroll For Progmramming Humor Memes
2017-03-13T04:18:28 < upgrdman> but im afraid to. i still get notices in the mail :)
2017-03-13T04:18:38 < ReadError> vpn fool
2017-03-13T04:18:39 < ohsix> that'd be a good thing to watch while shanghai'd
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2017-03-13T04:18:49 < ReadError> ohsix: check out privacy.com
2017-03-13T04:18:51 < upgrdman> ohsix, they have SBSP on tv in cn
2017-03-13T04:19:00 < ReadError> super sweet for tons of stuff
2017-03-13T04:19:03 < upgrdman> ohsix, i actually never watch SBSP *until* i was in cn
2017-03-13T04:19:18 < ReadError> can make month trails with burner cards
2017-03-13T04:19:23 < ohsix> https://pics.onsizzle.com/bool-job-postings-yes-nailed-it-something-doesnt-seem-quite-9727159.png
2017-03-13T04:19:26 < ReadError> use any name/billing etc
2017-03-13T04:19:40 < ReadError> trials*
2017-03-13T04:19:46 < ohsix> upgrdman: i like it but haven't tried to watch all of it, or seen much recently
2017-03-13T04:19:55 < ohsix> i almost bought a patrick tshrt today
2017-03-13T04:20:29 < upgrdman> patrick is the starfish right
2017-03-13T04:20:35 < ohsix> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61y65mQfRiL._UX342_.jpg
2017-03-13T04:20:38 < ohsix> yea
2017-03-13T04:21:00 < ohsix> sandy cheeks is dabest tho
2017-03-13T04:21:39 < ohsix> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/511HgvyKE2L.jpg i have this, people dig it
2017-03-13T04:23:29 < ohsix> http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/fat-kid-sponge-bob-t-shirt-hat-swag-13806605901.jpg?id=
2017-03-13T04:23:56 < ohsix> it's the shirt i had on when i was in apple hq ololol
2017-03-13T04:24:49 < stm32> muh stm32
2017-03-13T04:25:19 < ohsix> almost got http://t-shirtmagazineonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/drstr.png today, it's cool but i don't know shit about it and would be on aesthetics D:
2017-03-13T04:26:01 < ohsix> there's so many crap starwars/batman/nintendo shirts all over
2017-03-13T04:26:53 < ohsix> upgrdman: have you seen german spongebob
2017-03-13T04:27:37 < upgrdman> i havent
2017-03-13T04:28:48 < ohsix> it's weird
2017-03-13T04:29:56 < ohsix> hm there's only 200 episodes, and they're only 11 minutes long, maybe i will watch heem
2017-03-13T04:30:34 < ohsix> i'd recommend adventure time but that's great and a not inconsiderable amount of time, since you'd want to pay attention a lot more than spongebeb lule
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2017-03-13T05:39:53 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kECbiU37iWY
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2017-03-13T06:17:17 < ohsix> aandrew: that guy has passages from atlas shrugged on some of the articles on his blag
2017-03-13T06:18:49 < ohsix> stop drop and be a fat little worm of a kid lighting himself on fire
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2017-03-13T06:24:36 < stm32> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWQVLVIT6h8
2017-03-13T06:33:09 < upgrdman> think i found some contacts to make high-quality jumper wires for breadboards
2017-03-13T06:33:12 < upgrdman> http://www.alliedelec.com/te-connectivity-205089-1/70084247/
2017-03-13T06:33:24 < upgrdman> http://www.alliedelec.com/te-connectivity-205090-1/70084246/
2017-03-13T06:33:47 < stm32> cheep cheep 
2017-03-13T06:42:02 < stm32> the rig is here
2017-03-13T06:43:56 < branjb> can you set f4's interrupts to be nested?  ie, push button, enter interrupt, sleep for 10 seconds inside the interrupt, 2 seconds later push button again, interrupt gets interrupted?
2017-03-13T06:44:19 < branjb> i know on avr's you can clear the status bit to do that, but can't figure it out on stm
2017-03-13T06:49:51 < stm32> many ways to skin a cat
2017-03-13T06:50:17 < branjb> just trying to learn and experiment with stm interrupts
2017-03-13T06:51:01 < stm32> me too
2017-03-13T06:51:08 < stm32> but i smoke too many drugs
2017-03-13T06:51:13 < branjb> y
2017-03-13T06:51:24 < stm32> ReadError got me onto scorping up
2017-03-13T06:51:27 < branjb> lol
2017-03-13T06:52:46 < stm32> you're asking while a program is in an interrupt can it be interrupted again?
2017-03-13T06:52:54 < branjb> by the same interrupt
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2017-03-13T06:53:18 < stm32> i think so
2017-03-13T06:53:49 < branjb> ie, if it's in that interrupt, and the same interrupt fires again, does it throw the current interrupts regs on the stack and then go service the new interrupt?
2017-03-13T06:53:56 < branjb> it does for higher priority ones
2017-03-13T06:54:03 < stm32> yeah figures
2017-03-13T06:54:09 < branjb> but can't figure out if you can do that for equal priority or the same
2017-03-13T06:54:17 < stm32> but to service the same interrupt 
2017-03-13T06:54:25 < stm32> i'd have to think about it
2017-03-13T06:54:41 < stm32> can
2017-03-13T06:54:46 < stm32> can't be impossible
2017-03-13T06:54:48 < branjb> and if you could, it's possible to stack overflowing by sending interrupts faster than they can be serviced right?
2017-03-13T06:55:03 < branjb> why not?
2017-03-13T06:55:14 < stm32> depends on how you configure things
2017-03-13T06:56:09 < stm32> fortunately for goofballs like me its all documented
2017-03-13T06:58:05 < branjb> what is this http://www.stm32duino.com/
2017-03-13T06:58:18 < stm32> aids
2017-03-13T06:58:32 < branjb> is that that .NET shit that was on stm for awhile?
2017-03-13T06:58:36 < stm32> poisoning the glorious stm32
2017-03-13T06:58:50 < stm32> sounds like arduino lib on stm32
2017-03-13T06:58:54 < branjb> lol: http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1862
2017-03-13T06:58:56 < stm32> instead of atmel avr
2017-03-13T06:59:54 < stm32> personally i like to steer clear of any possible abuse of 'free software'
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2017-03-13T07:02:00 < stm32> reusing code where you can is good practice though
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2017-03-13T07:06:48 < stm32> today i'm building test jigs
2017-03-13T07:10:26 < ReadError> wow tone down the racism man
2017-03-13T07:10:50 < stm32> hi
2017-03-13T07:14:41 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-13T07:14:50 < ReadError> no
2017-03-13T07:14:58 < stm32> are u pro senpai or just a tourist?
2017-03-13T07:15:47 < ohsix> branjb: there's an nvic hierarchy, but that still isnt' a great idea
2017-03-13T07:15:52 < ReadError> turdist
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2017-03-13T07:19:21 < stm32> aww man
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2017-03-13T07:24:23 < ReadError> guize
2017-03-13T07:24:35 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5hdXOkUQzA
2017-03-13T07:24:38 < ReadError> t.davis
2017-03-13T07:24:40 < ReadError> 18hrs in
2017-03-13T07:24:44 < stm32> d.jones?
2017-03-13T07:25:26 < ReadError> better
2017-03-13T07:25:33 < stm32> i hope when i lose my mind i become a good troll too
2017-03-13T07:27:14 < Rickta59> what would you use instead of poison stm32?
2017-03-13T07:27:53 < ReadError> lol he uses yahoo mail
2017-03-13T07:27:55 < stm32> pure keil
2017-03-13T07:28:09 < Rickta59> so register programming with your own header?
2017-03-13T07:28:18 < stm32> if i have to
2017-03-13T07:28:23 < stm32> done it before
2017-03-13T07:28:40 < stm32> no reason to for this
2017-03-13T07:28:41 < Rickta59> have you looked at libmaple? it isn't really that bad
2017-03-13T07:29:17 < stm32> i'll ask senpai
2017-03-13T07:29:34 < Rickta59> very comparable to libopencm3
2017-03-13T07:29:46 < ohsix> knowing it uses libmaple is too far, they're just talking shit about arduinolololol
2017-03-13T07:30:15 < stm32> why the fuck are variable autotransformers made in india 
2017-03-13T07:30:40 < ohsix> copper/iron prices?
2017-03-13T07:30:53 < ohsix> it's not all of india but they have all those shipz to scrap
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2017-03-13T07:33:34 < ReadError> tdavis@templeos.org
2017-03-13T07:33:37 < ReadError> hit em up
2017-03-13T07:33:41 < ReadError> hes opening everything live
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2017-03-13T07:34:57 < ohsix> India has often lacked in building high-quality infrastructure to support the economy. This project aims to jerk India into the habit of building high-quality infrastructure to make businesses cost competitive in the global market by using advanced technologies and planning, like the Golden Quadrilateral project.
2017-03-13T07:35:36 < ReadError> hes obessed with this 'dianna cowern' gal
2017-03-13T07:35:54 < ohsix> no
2017-03-13T07:36:18 < ohsix> eh
2017-03-13T07:36:21 < ohsix> he might be a threat
2017-03-13T07:38:04 < ohsix> too much of that shit is on 4chan
2017-03-13T07:38:08 < ohsix> you gotta stop doing this
2017-03-13T07:38:42 < ReadError> doing what
2017-03-13T07:39:55 < ohsix> bullshit self loathing garbage
2017-03-13T07:40:50 < ReadError> k
2017-03-13T07:41:21 < ReadError> the fuck do i care whats on 4chan
2017-03-13T07:42:18 < ohsix> get into this ReadError https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yyHhQ6wD-c
2017-03-13T07:42:39 < ReadError> pass
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2017-03-13T07:42:59 < ohsix> then you won't fuck as many bitches as he does
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2017-03-13T08:08:03 < upgrdman> so 144hz monitors are nice for gaming. but i feel like 60hz WITH decent motion blur would look nearly identical. anyone know if there any settings that would like let games render at 120hz or 180hz, and then just combine 2 or 3 frames for some fake motion blur at 60hz?
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2017-03-13T08:12:30 < upgrdman> gsync?
2017-03-13T08:12:37 < upgrdman> no i dont mean like adapter monitor refresh
2017-03-13T08:12:59 < upgrdman> i mean render 2 frame -> combine in software -> output 1 frame. to fake 120hz with a 60hz monitor
2017-03-13T08:14:11 < ReadError> thats what the 144 is trying to defeat 
2017-03-13T08:14:14 < ReadError> motion blur
2017-03-13T08:14:55 < upgrdman> ReadError, well what i mean is, like i can see individual frames at 60hz. but with 60hz videos (real, not CG) the individual frames are not noticeable to me. because of the motion bluer
2017-03-13T08:15:14 < upgrdman> so a shutter speed of 1/60 - 1/120 makes the movies look great
2017-03-13T08:15:28 < upgrdman> and i wonder if something similar would be a poor mans 120hz monitor
2017-03-13T08:15:30 < ReadError> yea but watching a movie is way different than staring at a small fixed point
2017-03-13T08:15:39 < ReadError> trying to catch a headshot on a few pixels
2017-03-13T08:15:44 < ohsix> upgrdman: click on that yt link
2017-03-13T08:16:01 < ohsix> and no there isn't
2017-03-13T08:16:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol
2017-03-13T08:16:38 < upgrdman> ohsix, im a lefty anyway so i dont even need that trick. i do it naturally
2017-03-13T08:16:49 < ohsix> you must slay
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2017-03-13T08:18:28 < ohsix> you don't need to double the framerate to get the temporal blur shit right
2017-03-13T08:18:39 < ohsix> it's just the games suck balls at it
2017-03-13T08:18:53 < ohsix> and blur is usually cover for uneven framerate or something worse
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2017-03-13T08:20:22 < ohsix> if you're actually interested in writing some softjuarez, it isn't actually very hard to hook d3d/gl and fuck with that sort of thing
2017-03-13T08:20:33 < ohsix> there may actually be a thing that does it already
2017-03-13T08:24:49 < ohsix> to literally do what you want, you need to see what sync thing the program you hook is doing, and synthesize some extra ones (usually just Present waiting on the swap chain) and keep the buffer
2017-03-13T08:24:55 < ohsix> then do what you want when you have a few
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2017-03-13T08:31:30 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/wpjenna/status/626087831119757312/photo/1
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2017-03-13T08:38:33 < jpa-> Steffanx: yeah, exactly what zyp said
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2017-03-13T08:42:12 < ohsix> wut
2017-03-13T08:44:00 < ohsix> uff chegged cider so i could eat some ice cream
2017-03-13T08:44:09 < ohsix> not a great idea
2017-03-13T08:46:30 < ohsix> tillamook oregon hazelnut chocolate
2017-03-13T08:50:39 < ohsix> among all nuts, it is one
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2017-03-13T08:55:03 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Babylonian/status/841152626829885441
2017-03-13T08:55:04 < ohsix> heh
2017-03-13T09:03:14 < ohsix> the banana plugs on this thing are super shit 04:57 < dongs> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/1200x900/2666-03.jpg
2017-03-13T09:03:18 < ohsix> .sb end
2017-03-13T09:03:30 < ohsix> i've got some cables with them on them, they don't even stay in the jacks
2017-03-13T09:18:40 < stm32> hi jpa
2017-03-13T09:19:30 < stm32> how is the freelancer lyfe??
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2017-03-13T09:28:53 < jpa-> stm32: still on parental leave, not freelancing yet
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2017-03-13T09:31:41 < stm32> gotcha
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2017-03-13T10:13:38 < Steffanx> Stm32 is on parental leavd too, but he is the one who needs parenting.
2017-03-13T10:14:43 < stm32> hi Steffanx 
2017-03-13T10:15:12 < Steffanx> Lo
2017-03-13T10:15:32 < stm32> what is new
2017-03-13T10:21:43 < jadew`> ffs, visual assit seems to have decided to remove ~ before variables when autocompleting
2017-03-13T10:21:54 < jadew`> ~value. BAM! ~ is gone
2017-03-13T10:22:02 < jadew`> *assist
2017-03-13T10:23:01 < stm32> peni
2017-03-13T10:24:13 < zyp> jadew`, probably thought you were too negative
2017-03-13T10:24:49 < jadew`> zyp, possibly, I'll have to take a look at the mood settings
2017-03-13T10:30:11 < PaulFertser> Why might I be getting UsageFault there: http://paste.debian.net/919477/ ? Using external 8MHz crystal resonator without PLL, STM32F107.
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2017-03-13T10:41:32 < zyp> PaulFertser, is it reproducible?
2017-03-13T10:41:57 < zyp> does it happen at the same instruction every time?
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2017-03-13T10:42:14 < PaulFertser> zyp: well, kinda, if I let the board run for a day, it can hang once or twice. It's better reproducible in the morning (probably after it's cooled enough or who knows what)
2017-03-13T10:42:31 < PaulFertser> zyp: that's something I'll try to figure out today, certainly.
2017-03-13T10:44:42 < zyp> well, I don't have any ideas that you don't seem to have thought about on your own already
2017-03-13T10:45:01 < PaulFertser> Thanks a lot for taking a look nevertheless!
2017-03-13T10:45:55 < zyp> do you only have one unit? could be useful to test multiple to check for bad hardware
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2017-03-13T10:46:14 < PaulFertser> Known to affect many of the boards, probably all of them.
2017-03-13T10:46:24 < zyp> if it's easier reproducible when cold, maybe you should get some cooling spray
2017-03-13T10:46:31 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/lz6Vn0o
2017-03-13T10:46:43 < PaulFertser> Not production-critical thanks to watchdog, heh, so got reported only recently.
2017-03-13T10:47:24 < zyp> have you tried HSE vs HSI?
2017-03-13T10:48:04 < PaulFertser> Not yet, started to investigate only recently. And it's hard to reproduce. Thanks for the idea, didn't consider it actually!
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2017-03-13T10:54:41 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f14e45fcee/6698.png
2017-03-13T10:55:22 < stm32> bout that
2017-03-13T10:56:48 < stm32> THE PLANT
2017-03-13T10:58:09 < stm32> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyveF0uadPI
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2017-03-13T12:19:37 < KreAture> hmm
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2017-03-13T12:22:27 < Steffanx> stm32: are you busy?
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2017-03-13T12:40:42 < stm32> No
2017-03-13T12:45:14 < Steffanx> ok, better start a croud funding for me.
2017-03-13T12:46:15 < stm32> Why do you need crowd
2017-03-13T12:46:20 < Steffanx> crowd.
2017-03-13T12:46:51 < stm32> Get a mob
2017-03-13T12:47:47 < Steffanx> Went to the garage to have AC of my car fixed and now my front window is broken. Need money to fix. :P
2017-03-13T12:48:26 < stm32> More airflow without windows
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2017-03-13T12:55:14 < stm32> Easier to throw stroopwafels
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2017-03-13T12:57:57 < zyp> Steffanx, wat
2017-03-13T12:58:06 < zyp> how did it get broken?
2017-03-13T12:58:12 < Steffanx> unrelated to the AC :P
2017-03-13T12:58:27 < zyp> okay, you made it sound like AC repair guys broke it
2017-03-13T12:58:57 < c10ud^> so, anything fancy to do with stm+lora eval board?
2017-03-13T12:59:05 < Steffanx> Something hit my front window earlier last week. This morning, when i was going to the garage, i noticed the crack went "all the way"
2017-03-13T12:59:27 < zyp> isn't that an insurance thing?
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2017-03-13T13:00:20 < zyp> over here you're supposed to go get minor damages fixed for free asap, before it develops to a crack that requires replacing the entire windshield
2017-03-13T13:01:11 < Steffanx> asap was now, but asap was too late.
2017-03-13T13:01:51 < Steffanx> Sure there is insurance, but sometimes it's more beneficial to not use that. 
2017-03-13T13:02:24 < Steffanx> **insured
2017-03-13T13:04:20 < jadew`> this sucks, I started using constraints and my IDE marks a lot of crap as errors
2017-03-13T13:04:46 < jadew`> and autocompletion doesn't work for stuff that uses that, because it assumes those clases are broken
2017-03-13T13:19:26 < Steffanx> lol, so dont do that
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2017-03-13T13:22:53 < sync_> I found insurance useful with windshields, it's quick and painless here
2017-03-13T13:25:06 < Steffanx> Yes, but here in dutchland it most of the time has effect on the monthly payment you have to do. Sometimes you pay for it yourself in the end.
2017-03-13T13:26:33 < sync_> yeah, usually the premium does not increase here
2017-03-13T13:26:51 < Steffanx> It doesn't tend to increase here either, but it doesn't get lower for x time either.
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2017-03-13T13:29:42 < Tusker> heya guys, I have managed to connect to a stm32f1, which only works over SWD (I couldn't connect over USART, or USB).  My cross compiler is having issues at the moment (doesn't have the newlib/nano options properly done), so I was wondering if there was a firmware that I can flash via GDB that will get the device working over USB ?
2017-03-13T13:30:06 < Tusker> I am connecting with a Black Magic Probe, and am connected via GDB now
2017-03-13T13:31:22 < PaulFertser> Tusker: you need some demo firmware for your board I guess?
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2017-03-13T13:32:25 < Tusker> yeah, correct, I've tried to load the blackmagicprobe firmware itself, but I can't seem to get the correct fileformat
2017-03-13T13:34:59 < emeryth> you could try this https://github.com/rogerclarkmelbourne/STM32duino-bootloader
2017-03-13T13:35:20 < Tusker> i've tried to convert the blackmagic-stlink.bin to ELF using http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&p=4767#p7022 but it failed to load
2017-03-13T13:36:52 < Steffanx> bmp has some python script to flash .bin iirc.
2017-03-13T13:37:04 < Steffanx> but not sure if that will help
2017-03-13T13:37:11 < Tusker> over swd ?
2017-03-13T13:37:16 < Steffanx> yes
2017-03-13T13:37:17 < zyp> Tusker, why not flash the original elf itself?
2017-03-13T13:37:24 < zyp> instead of converting back
2017-03-13T13:37:35 < Tusker> zyp: I don't have the original elf file, because my cross compiling chain is currently broken :)
2017-03-13T13:37:45 < zyp> where did you get the .bin from?
2017-03-13T13:38:00 < karlp> what do you really hope to achive with "connecting via usb" with some random demo firmware?
2017-03-13T13:38:13 < Tusker> zyp: from the build bot from BMP
2017-03-13T13:38:13 < karlp> are you trying to test your board if functional?
2017-03-13T13:38:25 < Tusker> karlp: correct
2017-03-13T13:38:29 < zyp> karlp, probably verify that he's able to flash anything
2017-03-13T13:38:49 < karlp> rm -rf yourtoolchain; install the gcc-arm-embedded from launchpad
2017-03-13T13:38:58 < zyp> what karlp said
2017-03-13T13:39:04 < Tusker> yah, that might be my best bet
2017-03-13T13:39:11 < Steffanx> not launchpad karlp.
2017-03-13T13:39:12 < Steffanx> ARM
2017-03-13T13:39:21 < zyp> I mean, eventually that's what you're gonna do anyway
2017-03-13T13:39:24 < karlp> you said you could already connect via swd, are you trying to verify that your custom hardware wired the usb port properly? and the uart?
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2017-03-13T13:40:08 < Tusker> i have an actual bmp running fine over USB, and connected to the target via SWD (the target doesn't start USB or USART)
2017-03-13T13:40:22 < Tusker> so, gdb works via the actual bmp
2017-03-13T13:40:53 < Tusker> but, yeah, getting my toolchain working properly is the way to go
2017-03-13T13:50:05 < Laurenceb> This is what diversity looks like, a future where men shut up and let the women code, free from toxic masculinity.
2017-03-13T13:51:09 < Laurenceb> http://elelur.com/data_images/mammals/seal/seal-05.jpg
2017-03-13T13:51:43 < jadew`> I don't get the seal thing
2017-03-13T13:51:48 < jadew`> what's the catch?
2017-03-13T13:51:53 < Laurenceb> top kek
2017-03-13T13:52:19 < Laurenceb> it started as "mods are asleep, everyone post kiddy porn"
2017-03-13T13:52:29 < jadew`> they're the new lol cats?
2017-03-13T13:52:39 < Laurenceb> then evolved into more and more innocuous stuff that still annoyed the mods
2017-03-13T13:53:03 < Laurenceb> its a form a shitposting, following on from crabposting and then haddockposting
2017-03-13T13:53:51 < Laurenceb> http://www.haddock.org/images/bw_homepage.jpg
2017-03-13T13:54:21 < jadew`> this is how old people must be feeling all the time
2017-03-13T13:55:04 < jadew`> I don't understand any of this
2017-03-13T13:55:16 < Laurenceb> http://206.223.147.218/1/res/17049.html
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2017-03-13T14:05:10 < karlp> jadew`: it's easy, it's "not funny laurenceb"
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2017-03-13T14:10:51 < jadew`> is it just me or does purple soldermask make the silkscreen harder to read?
2017-03-13T14:24:04 < aandrew> I find white soldermask with black silk is terrible. purple isn't bad *if* the silk is good but I think that's the big if...
2017-03-13T14:25:36 < jadew`> never ordered any boards with white soldermask but I have a few evaluation boards that are white
2017-03-13T14:25:41 < jadew`> it looks interesting
2017-03-13T14:26:40 < Steffanx> White boards tend to get ugly when soldered or already have yellow/brown smudges in it.
2017-03-13T14:26:49 < jadew`> green is still my fav
2017-03-13T14:26:58 < Steffanx> And if ugly doesn't matter why use white in the first place :D
2017-03-13T14:27:05 < jadew`> heh
2017-03-13T14:28:41 < Steffanx> Matte black soldermask with enig is nice. 
2017-03-13T14:32:01 < jadew`> hmm, looks like oshpark likes to chip from the silkscreen
2017-03-13T14:32:24 < jadew`> not my picture, but it shows the issue: http://julianvidal.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/PCB.jpg
2017-03-13T14:33:05 < Steffanx> is that really fair?
2017-03-13T14:33:16 < Steffanx> PCB is larger.
2017-03-13T14:33:22 < Steffanx> Silk seems to be adjusted as well.
2017-03-13T14:33:39 < jadew`> look around the vias
2017-03-13T14:33:56 < jadew`> IC2 for example
2017-03-13T14:34:12 < jadew`> and R7
2017-03-13T14:34:56 < zyp> jadew`, yeah, it's retarded, they remove line segments close to holes
2017-03-13T14:35:00 < jadew`> looks like they  only print on the soldermask
2017-03-13T14:35:13 < zyp> hang on, I have some pics that show it even better
2017-03-13T14:35:59 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/g17eb.JPG <- this looks retarded as fuck
2017-03-13T14:36:12 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/MQwjL.png <- this is how the gerber looked
2017-03-13T14:36:26 < Steffanx> heh.
2017-03-13T14:36:44 < jadew`> yeah, mine looks the same
2017-03-13T14:37:09 < jadew`> worse really, cuz it's a bit higher density
2017-03-13T14:37:16 < timemob> sup
2017-03-13T14:37:17 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/TgK0Q.JPG <- silk quality is also pretty shit
2017-03-13T14:37:26 < timemob> china intenet is fine
2017-03-13T14:37:29 < Steffanx> I assumed it was due to the no soldermask over the vias, but zyp's pcb has that
2017-03-13T14:37:43 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah, that's the retarded part
2017-03-13T14:38:38 < emeryth> zyp: how old is that board?
2017-03-13T14:38:41 < zyp> Steffanx, juding by the last pic, they are comfortable printing silk all the way until mask edge
2017-03-13T14:39:03 < emeryth> from my experience, oshpark has way better silkscreen resolution and quality than chinafabs
2017-03-13T14:39:05 < zyp> emeryth, old in what sense? I think I designed it 5-6 years ago
2017-03-13T14:39:12 < zyp> oh, right
2017-03-13T14:39:15 < Steffanx> The photo jadew` posted is from 2013.
2017-03-13T14:39:17 < jadew`> this is how mine came out: http://82.76.177.134/stuff/20170313_143311.jpg
2017-03-13T14:39:24 < zyp> yeah, it might not be representative for current quality
2017-03-13T14:39:33 < jadew`> and I received it today
2017-03-13T14:39:41 < Steffanx> The quality is much better.
2017-03-13T14:39:52 < zyp> I've also heard claims they use multiple fabs and quality differ between them, and also between the 2L and 4L processes
2017-03-13T14:39:58 < jadew`> yeah, the silkscreen resolution is good
2017-03-13T14:40:02 < jadew`> but they still chip it
2017-03-13T14:40:21 < Steffanx> jadew` there is #oshpark . You try a complaint there.
2017-03-13T14:40:32 < jadew`> eh, I don't care
2017-03-13T14:40:41 < jadew`> just making observations
2017-03-13T14:40:49 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/E08pl.JPG <- I still prefer this sort of silk quality :p
2017-03-13T14:40:58 < Steffanx> especially mention pdp7 . He is THE guy behind it all
2017-03-13T14:41:04 < Steffanx> Yes you do care jadew`
2017-03-13T14:41:13 < jadew`> heh
2017-03-13T14:41:23 < Steffanx> but that is a dongs pcb iirc zyp
2017-03-13T14:41:27 < jadew`> zyp, that looks great
2017-03-13T14:41:33 < zyp> Steffanx, yup
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2017-03-13T14:43:47 < jadew`> I think they enlarged the soldermask opening, but I'm not sure and I can't check right now
2017-03-13T14:44:18 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/uBicx.JPG <- arcin also has great silk quality (although that wasn't the point of that pic)
2017-03-13T14:44:29 < Steffanx> oh i didnt even notice the solder mask. THat is even more awful that the silk imho
2017-03-13T14:44:49 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-03-13T14:44:52 < emeryth> ded
2017-03-13T14:44:52 < zyp> wtf
2017-03-13T14:45:27 < jadew`> I'll have to check the gerber files, but I'm not on linux atm and that's where the project is
2017-03-13T14:45:30 < zyp> hmm
2017-03-13T14:45:45 < jadew`> I'll let you know if it was my fault or not
2017-03-13T14:45:49 < Steffanx> cant you check what you ordered jadew`?
2017-03-13T14:45:51 < zyp> jadew`, I think your lighting makes the copper look a lot thicker than it actually is
2017-03-13T14:46:14 < zyp> the clearances around the traces looks super deep
2017-03-13T14:46:14 < jadew`> zyp, yeah and it's a tiny board
2017-03-13T14:46:37 < jadew`> those are 0603 footprints
2017-03-13T14:46:46 < zyp> especially in the upper right area
2017-03-13T14:47:05 < zyp> the pads looks flat as fuck, but the traces under mask between them looks super beefy
2017-03-13T14:47:24 < jadew`> heh, you're right
2017-03-13T14:47:54 < jadew`> yeah, definitely the lighting
2017-03-13T14:48:32 < jadew`> maybe they put my board on the same panel with that guy that made PCBs for some F1 car
2017-03-13T14:48:38 < Steffanx> :P
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2017-03-13T14:49:25 < Steffanx> Formula E btw.
2017-03-13T14:49:28 < zyp> haha, that's the one I thought about too
2017-03-13T14:49:46 < Steffanx> And then you would have gotten your favourite color. green
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2017-03-13T14:54:38 < Steffanx> Is "would have gotten" even english? 
2017-03-13T14:54:54 < Steffanx> Where did mr *sauce go to tell me
2017-03-13T14:55:07 < jadew`> yeah, sounds right
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2017-03-13T14:58:04 < zyp> doesn't matter, english is not supposed to make sense
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2017-03-13T15:09:50 < jadew> maybe it was my fault, it looks like kicad defaults to 0.2 clearance for pads
2017-03-13T15:11:02 < jadew> it's not very centered tho
2017-03-13T15:11:07 < jadew> so maybe 0.2 is a good idea?
2017-03-13T15:11:15 < jadew> that's mm btw
2017-03-13T15:11:17 < jadew> 0.2 mm
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2017-03-13T15:18:32 < karlp> would have gotten is fine.
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2017-03-13T16:43:45 < dongs> sup doges
2017-03-13T16:43:47 < dongs> finally at hotel
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2017-03-13T16:46:03 < zyp> hows china?
2017-03-13T16:46:08 < dongs> hot
2017-03-13T16:46:18 < dongs> otherwise doesnt look muc hdfifferent
2017-03-13T16:46:21 < dongs> from anything else
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2017-03-13T16:51:07 < Thorn> >WS2812's used to have good ESD protection until they became popular and they decreased the inbuilt ESD diode surface area so as to get more chips per wafer. I've met with WorldSemi engineers about this following increased failure rates in the factory.
2017-03-13T16:51:26 < zyp> heh
2017-03-13T16:53:36 < aandrew> nice.
2017-03-13T16:53:52 < Steffanx> Thorn, you should post sources when you quote people. I often like to read more :)
2017-03-13T16:54:30 < Steffanx> oh, i understand. EEVBlog .
2017-03-13T16:54:43 < dongs> beg jones
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2017-03-13T16:56:59 < Thorn> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/oshw/ws2812b-led-strip-controller-circuit-protection/
2017-03-13T16:59:01 < dongs>  /oshw/
2017-03-13T16:59:30 < Thorn> I can't find anything on what rise time is good enough for those leds
2017-03-13T17:00:06 < Thorn> the buffer ther recommend has 8ns max, more likely 3-4. the one I chose has 12 or so
2017-03-13T17:00:17 < dongs> Thorn: ..... tom66 in t hat thread
2017-03-13T17:00:25 < Thorn> and I want a series resistor for protection against shorts
2017-03-13T17:00:25 < dongs> THE tom 66???
2017-03-13T17:00:51 < dongs> yes it is FUCKING LOL
2017-03-13T17:01:14 < Thorn> did he say anything about rise time
2017-03-13T17:01:29 < dongs> https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/thumbgallery.php?t=1290963&do=threadgallery&type=all&group=none&starter=no&page=2
2017-03-13T17:01:32 < dongs> he doesnt need to
2017-03-13T17:01:34 < dongs> this is tom6
2017-03-13T17:01:36 < dongs> 6
2017-03-13T17:02:14 < dongs> https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4918699-78-DSCN7695.jpg
2017-03-13T17:03:29 < Thorn> are there esd diodes like GSOT05C but dual
2017-03-13T17:04:04 < dongs> those are already dual?
2017-03-13T17:04:35 < Steffanx> Just some iso propanol would have saved that board a little bit. Or at least he wouldnt have the reputation he has now.
2017-03-13T17:04:55 < Thorn> oh good I was looking at GSOT05 w/o C
2017-03-13T17:05:57 < Thorn> that residue depends entirely on flux used. I had the same with a flux bought locally. fake kester from china seems to leave almost none
2017-03-13T17:07:19 < sync_> I wonder if you can see the esd size progression in the die
2017-03-13T17:07:34 < sync_> I think I have some old ws2812 floating around
2017-03-13T17:07:40 < englishman> Steffanx: last i was in #oshpark, laen didnt hang out in there anymore
2017-03-13T17:07:49 < Steffanx> he is there englishman.
2017-03-13T17:07:53 < englishman> ah
2017-03-13T17:07:59 < englishman> well i dont use oshpark anymore
2017-03-13T17:08:11 < englishman> its cheaper + faster + same quality from china
2017-03-13T17:08:53 < englishman> except the silkscreen in china sucks a bit more, but who cares, not like you would use oshpark for production either
2017-03-13T17:14:36 < dongs> so did jadejew get his allpcb pcbs and they're shit?
2017-03-13T17:15:04 < englishman> no, mine havent shipped yet since i added some to the order
2017-03-13T17:15:11 < Steffanx> oshpark.
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2017-03-13T17:19:29 < Steffanx> special post for dongs .. if twitter aint blocked behind the great wall: https://twitter.com/benjaminellis/status/840619822773854209
2017-03-13T17:19:45 < englishman> the state of multirotor innovations in 2017 http://store.rotorriot.com/soft-mounts-for-bad-motors/
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2017-03-13T17:19:56 < Steffanx> skip the mac part and im sure it applies to you as well.
2017-03-13T17:20:45 < Steffanx> englishman, its not THAT close to the first of april.
2017-03-13T17:21:05 < englishman> im aware
2017-03-13T17:21:26 < dongs> Steffanx: i have full internets thanks for my paid vpn
2017-03-13T17:32:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CMZQsr5.jpg
2017-03-13T17:35:40 < englishman> making full use of those china internets
2017-03-13T17:39:22 < dongs> yes
2017-03-13T17:40:47 < englishman> how hot is chinagirl on a scale of 10 to 10
2017-03-13T17:42:04 < dongs> shes ok, but i knew that before arriving
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2017-03-13T18:35:46 < dongs> o well time to get stoned
2017-03-13T18:36:02 < dongs> if someone sees poorgrdman tell him china internet completely defeated by vyprvpn
2017-03-13T18:37:12 < Steffanx> China doesnt do stoned.
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2017-03-13T19:11:14 < Thorn> ok so what do you think about this drive circuit for ws2812b/2813 http://imgur.com/a/3VdXk
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2017-03-13T19:13:03 < jpa-> you're double-using swclk and swdio?
2017-03-13T19:13:40 < Thorn> yes I am (if 13 channels are not enough)
2017-03-13T19:14:11 < englishman> do you really have to bang out 8 channels in parallel
2017-03-13T19:14:36 < Thorn> I've got 2 circuits like that actually
2017-03-13T19:14:38 < jpa-> you'll probably want to run a ground parallel to each signal pin in the connectors
2017-03-13T19:14:47 < karlp> Thorn: do you want to allow controlling /OE to perhaps allow SWD without having it blasted out to the leds too?
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2017-03-13T19:14:49 < englishman> they hold their state until they lose power
2017-03-13T19:15:20 < karlp> what cad is that?
2017-03-13T19:15:27 < englishman> looks like dicktrace
2017-03-13T19:15:31 < englishman> superior russian eda
2017-03-13T19:15:38 < karlp> the offsets on the ground of the tvs diodes irritates me no end :)
2017-03-13T19:15:45 < Thorn> I'm thinking about driving OE to get some protection against short circuit
2017-03-13T19:15:55 < jpa-> U4 power pin order irritates me more
2017-03-13T19:16:14 < Thorn> please concentrate on the circuit not on lousy patterns lol
2017-03-13T19:16:21 < englishman> what are you doing that requires 13 ws1812b driven in parallel
2017-03-13T19:16:26 < Thorn> 16
2017-03-13T19:16:33 < karlp> jpa-: that was my next thought ;)
2017-03-13T19:17:00 < karlp> what are you trying to protect with the tvs diodes?
2017-03-13T19:17:13 < Thorn> the 74245
2017-03-13T19:17:29 < Thorn> 2000V HBM
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2017-03-13T19:18:52 < Thorn> so I do need separate signal ground to every LED chain?
2017-03-13T19:19:27 < Thorn> I've no idea how much ground bounce there is going to be
2017-03-13T19:19:32 < jpa-> you'll want a ground return path in parallel with each fast signal trace
2017-03-13T19:19:34 < Thorn> probably a lot
2017-03-13T19:19:46 < jpa-> electricity goes in circles, the ground is equally important as the signal
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2017-03-13T19:26:40 < Thorn> so I should connect the data signal to the leds with a twisted pair (data+gnd) to minimize inductance?
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2017-03-13T19:29:06 < englishman> this is 800khz not 800mhz
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2017-03-13T19:34:47 < KreAture> depends on how hard they are driven, and how sensitive the receiver is
2017-03-13T19:35:15 < KreAture> There may be quite significant noise due to fast rise/fall times
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2017-03-13T19:36:36 < Thorn> well those ESD diodes alone are 200pF typ
2017-03-13T19:37:21 < Thorn> I'm actually worried about the edges being too slow
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2017-03-13T20:06:36 < jpa-> Thorn: i don't think twisted pair minimizes inductance, and i don't it matters much unless your cables are ridicuously long
2017-03-13T20:07:03 < jpa-> edge speeds are easy enough to calcultae
2017-03-13T20:08:10 < Thorn> but I don't really know what rise time is allowed, the led datasheet doesn't say anything. assuming a 300ns pulse I hope 20ns should be ok
2017-03-13T20:08:23 < Thorn> I mean ground will be next to DATA -> minimal loop area
2017-03-13T20:09:32 < jpa-> yeah, that's a good thing; whether it is twisted or not matters less
2017-03-13T20:10:36 < Thorn> the question is whether it's worth several more screw terminals
2017-03-13T20:11:14 < jpa-> wouldn't you have gnd and +5v terminals for each strip anyway?
2017-03-13T20:12:55 < Thorn> nope, they will be daisy chained
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2017-03-13T20:13:32 < jpa-> sounds like lots of voltage drop
2017-03-13T20:13:51 < Thorn> well, thick cable and multiple PSUs
2017-03-13T20:14:12 < Thorn> perhaps multiple feed points from each PSU
2017-03-13T20:16:11 < jpa-> hard to say whether it will matter for your case how to lay out the gnd
2017-03-13T20:17:40 < Thorn> one thing I'd like to ensure is that controller gnd = strip gnd (at least at the start) for each strip within a reasonable tolerance
2017-03-13T20:27:05 < Thorn> I forgot I have a wiring diagram http://imgur.com/a/fj1bN
2017-03-13T20:27:40 < Thorn> (it only shows 8 channels per controller, it now has 16)
2017-03-13T20:30:37 < Thorn> they now have 16
2017-03-13T20:31:37 < englishman> that's not even a lot of leds, why do they have to be synchronous?
2017-03-13T20:31:41 < englishman> really curious here
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2017-03-13T20:39:26 < Thorn> there can be 2000+ leds
2017-03-13T20:40:11 < Thorn> the reasons are (1) more channels actually means a smaller DMA buffer and (2) more chains = easier wiring in this case
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2017-03-13T20:46:49 < Thorn> DMA buffer size = 2 * 24 * #LEDs / #chains (assuming all chains have equal length)
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2017-03-13T21:06:49 < ohsix> there's some clever junk in the way nineteen eighty-four is written olol
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2017-03-13T21:07:16 < ohsix> there's a typo/nontypo in section 3, 'even to understand the world "doublethink" involves doublethink'
2017-03-13T21:07:32 < ohsix> it's not clear whether that is a typo, world -> word or not
2017-03-13T21:08:07 < ohsix> and it's the line that seems to set the hook on the term in that section
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2017-03-13T22:05:28 < Thorn> btw I wonder if WS2813 suffered the same 'optimization' as WS2812B
2017-03-13T22:06:47 < englishman> i dono about that eevblog ranting man
2017-03-13T22:07:03 < englishman> there are thousands of not millions of ws2812b out there ive never heard of one failing
2017-03-13T22:07:52 < Thorn> I'm reading the internet and many people are complaining about the 1st LED dying
2017-03-13T22:07:54 < englishman> er, i meant to say, on drones and stuff that are esd nightmares
2017-03-13T22:08:21 < Thorn> I'm not sure whether it's ESD though. could be spikes on DATA
2017-03-13T22:08:38 < Thorn> impedance mismatch effects
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2017-03-13T22:10:06 < Thorn> I imagine drones would have very short cables between the controller and the 1st led
2017-03-13T22:10:55 < Thorn> it may be that the problems begin when the cable length becomes significant
2017-03-13T22:22:10 < Rickta59> the first led has to do more work maybe? it shapes the signal .. mcu feeds it garbage signal just enough to work, it has to "re time" it
2017-03-13T22:23:08 < Rickta59> i remember taking a scope reading on one to see what it really wanted for a 0 pulse and 1 pulse
2017-03-13T22:23:39 < Rickta59> * this when back when the specs were all over the place
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2017-03-13T23:01:54 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZmqbL-hz7U hosted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl8mi7laQGk technical
2017-03-13T23:02:33 < Steffanx> 8.5 hours from now? Then im alseep 
2017-03-13T23:02:52 < Thorn> no
2017-03-13T23:02:54 < Thorn> denied
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2017-03-13T23:11:28 < englishman> .ti is the TLD for Tibet, therefore it doesnt exist. LOL
2017-03-13T23:13:18 < Steffanx> http://worlds-best-cookie.com/
2017-03-13T23:14:47 < englishman> whoa
2017-03-13T23:15:21 < englishman> registered to win my height in cookies
2017-03-13T23:15:43 < Steffanx> :D
2017-03-13T23:15:59 < Steffanx> No im not affiliated
2017-03-13T23:18:40 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IQOdg1rk/higgghSpeed.png
2017-03-13T23:18:49 < ReadError> terry has plans, guys.
2017-03-13T23:19:01 < ReadError> 1st 2 sentences 
2017-03-13T23:26:50 < Steffanx> How does this make you feel ReadError?
2017-03-13T23:34:33 < ReadError> indifferent 
2017-03-13T23:35:08 < Steffanx> Autism kicked in?
2017-03-13T23:36:39 < ReadError> not fully yet
2017-03-13T23:36:43 < ReadError> coming up still
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2017-03-14T00:16:35 < englishman> hmm, did cypress buy broadcom
2017-03-14T00:16:37 < englishman> or some of it?
2017-03-14T00:16:59 < englishman> ah yeah some wireless stuff
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2017-03-14T00:20:47 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-03-14T00:21:01 < Steffanx> "Iot" stuff
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2017-03-14T00:59:31  * KreAture is playing around with some Sharp GP2Y10 dust sensors
2017-03-14T00:59:41 < KreAture> I dunno why ppl call these devices noisy
2017-03-14T00:59:44 < KreAture> They are awsome
2017-03-14T01:00:05 < KreAture> each pulse gives an instantaneous reading, it doesn't smooth or average, ofcource it will appear noisy
2017-03-14T01:00:43 < KreAture> It's a measure of the scattering ability/reflectiveness of the air in the measurement area at the time of the pulse
2017-03-14T01:00:53 < KreAture> 100 pulses per second gives 100 readings
2017-03-14T01:01:02 < KreAture> From what I can see it is actually quite stable
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2017-03-14T02:14:28 < upgrdman> whatever happened to AssToMouthMinai
2017-03-14T02:14:34 < upgrdman> haven't seen her in here in a while
2017-03-14T02:19:34 < englishman> who
2017-03-14T02:19:42 < englishman> upgrdman: dongs said to tell you his vpn is working fine
2017-03-14T02:19:51 < englishman> which im sure is some cheap as fuck $35/year vpn
2017-03-14T02:19:58 < upgrdman> englishman, leeloominai
2017-03-14T02:20:02 < upgrdman> re: vpn, cool
2017-03-14T02:20:08 < englishman> dono man
2017-03-14T02:20:31 < upgrdman> in my experience in cn, the first couple days of vpn use are decent, but then the packet losses ramp right the fuck up
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2017-03-14T03:33:46 < englishman> wtf ragepberripi 3 only has butt-banged onboard serial
2017-03-14T03:52:58 < KreAture> englishman: it has a fantastic serial that changes speed with the mcu power state (clock dependant)
2017-03-14T03:53:27 < KreAture> They sacrificed the mode independant clock gen in benefit for the bluetooth serial interface
2017-03-14T03:53:35 < KreAture> wtf
2017-03-14T03:53:37 < KreAture> lol
2017-03-14T04:05:04 < upgrdman> good job china  http://www.chinahush.com/2011/09/13/wedding-photos-in-nazi-uniform-criticized-by-netizens/
2017-03-14T04:05:16 < stm32> its running hot
2017-03-14T04:12:57 < englishman> KreAture: yeah exactly
2017-03-14T04:13:11 < englishman> because i mean who uses uart
2017-03-14T04:13:25 < englishman> ragepberripi doing their job keeping FTDI in business
2017-03-14T04:25:02 < KreAture> we'll see
2017-03-14T04:25:16 < dongs> sup doges
2017-03-14T04:25:40 < KreAture> if they could get off their asses and make the breakout board for the camera standard ribbon compatible we could have a pizero w + cable + picam for $15 but fuck no
2017-03-14T04:25:49 < KreAture> balls! it's dongs!
2017-03-14T04:25:50 < KreAture> lol
2017-03-14T04:25:53 < KreAture> hey dongs
2017-03-14T04:26:00 < dongs> blogging from china
2017-03-14T04:26:04 < dongs> i dont have any packet loss, upgrdman 
2017-03-14T04:26:05  * KreAture is playing with his air quality sensor
2017-03-14T04:26:13 < dongs> probably cuz my VPN isnt r unning off a fucking negroberrypi
2017-03-14T04:26:20 < KreAture> lol
2017-03-14T04:26:21 < dongs> and I'm using proper IPSEC shit
2017-03-14T04:26:26 < dongs> not openANUSVPN
2017-03-14T04:26:50 < upgrdman> dongs, cool
2017-03-14T04:26:55 < upgrdman> dongs, how long with you be in cn
2017-03-14T04:27:09 < upgrdman> like i told englishbro earlier, i usually had decent performance for the first couple days of use
2017-03-14T04:27:09 < KreAture> dongs ever used the Sharp GP2Y10 ?
2017-03-14T04:27:52 < dongs> until 18th or wahtever
2017-03-14T04:27:53 < dongs> i think fridaY?
2017-03-14T04:28:03 < upgrdman> dongs, what kinda speed are you getting
2017-03-14T04:28:30 < dongs> i donno ,ets se
2017-03-14T04:28:40 < dongs> i downloaded 100meg thing off hotel wifi in a few seconds
2017-03-14T04:28:44 < dongs> now im at office
2017-03-14T04:28:55 < dongs> checking speedtest.net
2017-03-14T04:30:12 < dongs> dunno 1mbps down / 3mbps up
2017-03-14T04:30:16 < dongs> totally ok for my chats
2017-03-14T04:32:19 < stm32> irc 
2017-03-14T04:32:27 < upgrdman> dongs, ya that's kinda what i expected
2017-03-14T04:32:45 < upgrdman> so no faster than my ghettovpn
2017-03-14T04:32:52 < stm32> home of many pumpers
2017-03-14T04:32:55 < upgrdman> we'll see about packet loss in a few days
2017-03-14T04:33:04 < upgrdman> wish you best of luck (not being sarcastic)
2017-03-14T04:33:29 < stm32> stoning
2017-03-14T04:33:42 < upgrdman> more china, this aint bad tho  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlBbIb8rWho
2017-03-14T04:35:21 < KreAture> This particle monitor is sensitive
2017-03-14T04:35:54 < KreAture> I use some incence to just create a tiny bit of smoke and let my psu fan suck it in, on the exhaust I feed a bit of the air to the sensor
2017-03-14T04:35:58 < KreAture> it just saturates
2017-03-14T04:37:28 < KreAture> Then again, it is supposed to measure 0.5v/100ug/m^3
2017-03-14T04:38:26 < KreAture> saturates at 3.8v with 0.4v nominal so 2.4/0.5 = 680ug/m^3
2017-03-14T04:38:28 < KreAture> hehe
2017-03-14T04:54:01 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/7f5bksq9m7ly.gif
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2017-03-14T05:00:17 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/cnoxl1iia3ly.png
2017-03-14T05:02:43 < englishman> whats innovating, stm32
2017-03-14T05:03:17 < englishman> serving animated lissajous gifs via http in 5 lines of Go on ragepberripi
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2017-03-14T05:36:51 < stm32> blown shit
2017-03-14T05:36:53 < stm32> that's what
2017-03-14T05:36:54 < stm32> lol
2017-03-14T06:00:48 < englishman> haha, on PSoC 6 documentation page
2017-03-14T06:00:49 < englishman> This content requires the Adobe Flash Player. Get Flash
2017-03-14T06:00:54 < englishman> looks like PSoC6 is DOA
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2017-03-14T06:09:24 < ReadError> http://clonedeploy.org/
2017-03-14T06:09:35 < ReadError> pretty coool thing I just stumbledupon
2017-03-14T06:14:57 < jadew`> KreAture, which sensor is that?
2017-03-14T06:21:01 < englishman> lol http://archive.is/Pt0Rr
2017-03-14T06:21:03 < englishman> rootkits for psoc
2017-03-14T06:39:23 < stm32> i want to fuck his sister and steal his cat
2017-03-14T06:53:58 < stm32> does that sound fair enough?
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2017-03-14T07:22:51 < Rickta59> what is psoc 6? m4?
2017-03-14T07:23:31 < Rickta59> ah .. m4 + m0+
2017-03-14T07:23:55 < Rickta59> i could like that thing if it wasn't so .net centric
2017-03-14T07:29:29 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZmqbL-hz7U hosted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl8mi7laQGk technical
2017-03-14T07:33:58 < Thorn> >Standing down on today's launch attempt due to high winds
2017-03-14T07:34:02 < Thorn> lol
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2017-03-14T07:41:45 < ohsix> already getting stuff from aliexpress
2017-03-14T07:41:46 < ohsix> rip ebay
2017-03-14T07:42:44 < ohsix> got them in 9 days
2017-03-14T07:42:58 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-Pair-Universal-Probe-Test-Leads-Pin-for-Digital-Multimeter-Needle-Tip-Meter-Multi-Meter-Tester/32776796500.html super sharp ass meter probez
2017-03-14T07:44:04 < ohsix> huh hahah the price/value on the mail slip is actually right
2017-03-14T07:44:24 < ohsix> that means the ones i've gotten from ebay aren't wrong, they're drop shipped from ali and that's the original price
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2017-03-14T07:45:34 < ohsix> the numbers on the package match too
2017-03-14T07:45:35 < ohsix> awesome
2017-03-14T07:47:39 < ohsix> these sharp ass bastards will be handy
2017-03-14T07:49:12 < ohsix> jadew`: i've read that dudes webbersite before (dmitry) did the post get taken down or something?
2017-03-14T07:49:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, for little sharp probes i've come to love the pogo pin style probes
2017-03-14T07:49:42 < ohsix> what do you use for handles
2017-03-14T07:49:45 < upgrdman> but from pomona, so $25ish iirc
2017-03-14T07:49:58 < upgrdman> ohsix, theyre purpose made, integrated into handles
2017-03-14T07:50:03 < ohsix> ic ic
2017-03-14T07:50:10 < ohsix> ya i can see why you'd need to do that
2017-03-14T07:50:20 < ohsix> you need even pressure and you don't want to fuck shit up
2017-03-14T07:50:59 < ohsix> these ones will have only come in handy a handful of times, if i'd had them; but i don't need them very often
2017-03-14T07:51:21 < upgrdman> http://www.pomonaelectronics.com/pdf/d6341_6342_6275_103.pdf
2017-03-14T07:51:24 < ohsix> handy handful, hurf
2017-03-14T07:51:41 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-14T07:52:01 < ohsix> looks like you can fit any pogo pin huh, or at least he ones in that pdf
2017-03-14T07:52:22 < upgrdman> prolly not "any"
2017-03-14T07:52:42 < upgrdman> but i havent worn out the stock tips yet, so i havent pulled it out
2017-03-14T07:52:49 < ohsix> http://thecustomgeek.com/2011/09/01/pogo-probes/ heh
2017-03-14T07:53:31 < ohsix> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/r035-r035-w6-test-probe-receptacle-pogo-pin-w-600mm-spring-wire-200pcs.html huh
2017-03-14T07:53:43 < ohsix> that's weird, need to remember to look at goodluckbuy
2017-03-14T07:53:49 < ohsix> only differentiator is having shit you don't see all over
2017-03-14T08:00:23 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/USz5FOz.png google images sometime
2017-03-14T08:01:30 < ohsix> i could 3d print some handles
2017-03-14T08:01:55 < ohsix> now that i've seen the pomona thing, i'm surprised there aren't a ton of little tools for holding junk like that
2017-03-14T08:03:29 < ohsix> mmh
2017-03-14T08:03:43 < ohsix> if i find out those 50 days for shit on ebay is because some jackass just didn't find the thing on aliexpress yet
2017-03-14T08:03:49 < ohsix> i'll be pleased
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2017-03-14T08:05:33 < ohsix> i got two ebay packages with a return address of 'sunyou logistics', one had a kyrgyzstan sticker on it, because someone named Clevy apparently received, then sent it along
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2017-03-14T08:12:27 < ohsix> got muh arduino beeperz
2017-03-14T08:12:37 < ohsix> going to have to get 10 nanos and make them all be obnoxious
2017-03-14T08:16:03 < jadew`> what do you use the pogo probes for?
2017-03-14T08:17:13 < ohsix> most recently i could have used them when i was doing some rework for a person, didn't have schematics and testing the thing after the rework needed access to a trace and 2 pins that were balls to probe
2017-03-14T08:18:13 < jadew`> and what would make regular probes unfit for the job?
2017-03-14T08:18:59 < upgrdman> jadew`, pogo probes are really nice for probing small stuff, like SMD pins
2017-03-14T08:19:07 < jadew`> $1.50 probes... I wonder how much they'll last
2017-03-14T08:19:16 < upgrdman> you can get consistent pressure do it wont slip off the pin/pad
2017-03-14T08:19:16 < ohsix> they're not sharp so they slide around, if you get them on the thing in the first place
2017-03-14T08:19:27 < ohsix> they're better than i expected
2017-03-14T08:19:29 < jadew`> upgrdman, interesting, I'll have to get some
2017-03-14T08:19:46 < ohsix> build quality is of at least 3$ probes!
2017-03-14T08:20:14 < ohsix> aliexpress is disarmingly low cost, doesn't really mean stuff is crap, which is weird
2017-03-14T08:21:05 < upgrdman> jadew`, if you want quality, i have these and 10/10 A+ Would Buy Again!!!!1!!!11!1!!!
2017-03-14T08:21:06 < ohsix> in retail they deliberately put cheap shit with the other shit to kind of keep you on course
2017-03-14T08:21:08 < upgrdman> http://www.pomonaelectronics.com/pdf/d6341_6342_6275_103.pdf
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2017-03-14T08:21:35 < ohsix> but when people are just trying to sell their shit and they're making tens of thousands of them, doesn't mean they're bad
2017-03-14T08:22:21 < upgrdman> specifically     Model: 6342 (one red probe, one black probe with model 6210 sharp point gold pogo pin tips)
2017-03-14T08:22:39 < ohsix> actually heh, you're more likely to see 'cheap chinese' junk when it is imported for retail, like bluetooth garbage, and their unit costs to the retailer are way cheaper than you'd find on aliexpress even
2017-03-14T08:23:37 < jadew`> found them
2017-03-14T08:23:54 < ohsix> if you get one of the 1.50$ ones let me know if they're shit olol
2017-03-14T08:24:21 < jadew`> nah, I learned my lesson with cheap probes
2017-03-14T08:24:39 < jadew`> even the less cheap ones are sometimes crap
2017-03-14T08:24:40 < ohsix> the pomona ones aren't great
2017-03-14T08:24:47 < ohsix> just going by the images
2017-03-14T08:24:53 < jadew`> why not?
2017-03-14T08:24:54 < ohsix> they are what you want but they don't look awesome
2017-03-14T08:25:11 < ohsix> look at the fluke 71 probes
2017-03-14T08:25:31 < ohsix> hm not the 71
2017-03-14T08:26:44 < ohsix> hrm yea the 71
2017-03-14T08:26:53 < ohsix> pictures make it look like they don't have silicone wires
2017-03-14T08:27:03 < ohsix> they're the 'nice' meter probes i have
2017-03-14T08:27:35 < jadew`> my good leads are a set of keysight 34138A
2017-03-14T08:27:54 < jadew`> they come with pointy stuff too
2017-03-14T08:28:00 < jadew`> but not pogo
2017-03-14T08:28:45 < ohsix> shrug
2017-03-14T08:28:57 < ohsix> anything with silicone wires is p good
2017-03-14T08:29:12 < ohsix> big floppy silicone
2017-03-14T08:30:04 < ohsix> not going to cut the wire of the 1.50$ ones to check, it probably is shit, but the overmoulding and stuff is pretty good
2017-03-14T08:30:31 < jadew`> you can just measure them and then you'll throw them in the garbage
2017-03-14T08:31:04 < ohsix> even worse ones with the same tip will be good enough for what i needed them for
2017-03-14T08:31:22 < ohsix> perverse engineering
2017-03-14T08:32:04 < ohsix> .57ohm
2017-03-14T08:32:44 < upgrdman> ohsix, those pomona probes have silicone wire
2017-03-14T08:32:47 < upgrdman> read the pdf
2017-03-14T08:32:58 < upgrdman> Wire: 20 AWG, gray silicon rubber 0.089 (2,26mm)
2017-03-14T08:32:59 < upgrdman> O.D.
2017-03-14T08:33:06 < ohsix> 37 inches
2017-03-14T08:33:12 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice
2017-03-14T08:33:15 < ohsix> didn't look like it in pixxx
2017-03-14T08:34:18 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/NkkU1FW.gifv
2017-03-14T08:35:02 < upgrdman> 'murica!  http://imgur.com/0I4ZlPe
2017-03-14T08:35:11 < ohsix> lul 30 gauge
2017-03-14T08:35:31 < ohsix> something wrong with my numbers, that's way below even cheap garbage fake wire
2017-03-14T08:36:47 < ohsix> normal probes i use with that meter is .32 and about 8 inches longer
2017-03-14T08:37:03 < upgrdman> ohsix, these are small probes. pogo pins are not used for 10 amp shit
2017-03-14T08:37:18 < upgrdman> these are rated for 3 amp
2017-03-14T08:37:23 < ohsix> oh sure
2017-03-14T08:37:27 < upgrdman> and wtf you'd even go that high beats me
2017-03-14T08:37:32 < ohsix> these things with the needle points aren't going to do that either
2017-03-14T08:37:55 < upgrdman> err wait whats. theyre 20awg. where you getting 30 from
2017-03-14T08:38:25 < Jak_o_Shadows> I should fix up my chinese probes
2017-03-14T08:38:30 < ohsix> i did lameshit measurements of the 1.5$ ones
2017-03-14T08:38:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> Teensy 2mm set screw holding 5mm of bare copper.
2017-03-14T08:38:44 < ohsix> my meter obv can't do this, cuz twice the length of wire is showing lower resistance
2017-03-14T08:38:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> Rubbish quality
2017-03-14T08:39:05 < ohsix> buuuuuuuuut
2017-03-14T08:39:14 < ohsix> no joke, these are not shit
2017-03-14T08:39:33 < ohsix> they're not great, but the price is almost unfair olol
2017-03-14T08:44:08 < ohsix> excited to find out if getting things in <10 days is normal when you order directly
2017-03-14T08:44:16 < ohsix> instead of dealextreme/ebay/whatever arbitrage
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2017-03-14T08:49:46 < upgrdman> ohsix, i've ordered from aliexpress and had it take 5 weeks
2017-03-14T08:49:49 < upgrdman> so its random
2017-03-14T08:50:00 < upgrdman> i've also had stuff delivered in 3 days
2017-03-14T08:50:09 < kOStiX> i've had stuff arrive 5-6 months later on ebay haha
2017-03-14T08:51:46 < upgrdman> my magic arm clone should arrive tomorrow
2017-03-14T08:52:02 < upgrdman> hopefully it'll let me hold my camera at some better angle for muh pro youtube vidz
2017-03-14T08:52:42 < upgrdman> anyone used Termite?  https://www.compuphase.com/software_termite.htm
2017-03-14T08:54:55 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul order those probez
2017-03-14T08:55:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, your $1.50 ones? no thanks. 
2017-03-14T08:55:24 < ohsix> kOStiX: haven't had that yet
2017-03-14T08:55:44 < ohsix> i've had some that are obv. lost near 60 days, maybe they'll still show up, but i doubt it
2017-03-14T08:56:02 < ohsix> upgrdman: shrug i guess i can order another heheh
2017-03-14T08:56:10 < ohsix> i wanna see if it was a fluke
2017-03-14T08:56:26 < ohsix> what's a magic arm
2017-03-14T08:56:53 < ohsix> termite looks fine, i use putty on winderz
2017-03-14T08:56:59 < kOStiX> i've had a board i ordered on ebay arrive twice, one somewhat damaged by what appears to be water
2017-03-14T08:57:01 < kOStiX> without notice
2017-03-14T08:57:14 < ohsix> picoterm/some other shit on lunix, and gtkterm or one of those has hex dump and line input
2017-03-14T08:57:25 < upgrdman> ohsix, this clone of a manfrotto   http://amzn.to/2mUSrOq
2017-03-14T08:57:44 < ohsix> nice
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2017-03-14T09:17:14 < dongs> i wanna have usb keyboard
2017-03-14T09:17:18 < dongs> with 2 outputs
2017-03-14T09:17:22 < dongs> plug into 2 pcs
2017-03-14T09:17:24 < dongs> press A
2017-03-14T09:17:27 < dongs> both pcs get A
2017-03-14T09:17:30 < dongs> this exists or not
2017-03-14T09:17:33 < dongs> 2+ OK too
2017-03-14T09:18:06 < jadew`> is this a quizz?
2017-03-14T09:18:13 < dongs> no its a jizz
2017-03-14T09:18:19 < ohsix> heh wut 16gb sd cards are like 5bux
2017-03-14T09:18:21 < upgrdman> dongs, dont think that possible
2017-03-14T09:18:30 < jadew`> I haven't found any keyboard like that while I was looking for keyboards
2017-03-14T09:18:42 < jadew`> oh, possible it is for sure
2017-03-14T09:18:53 < ohsix> unpossible
2017-03-14T09:18:58 < upgrdman> well i mean you could make one
2017-03-14T09:18:59 < upgrdman> but
2017-03-14T09:19:07 < upgrdman> usb isnt meant to be like passively split
2017-03-14T09:19:13 < dongs> surely
2017-03-14T09:19:15 < jadew`> yeah, I don't think anyone makes them
2017-03-14T09:19:15 < upgrdman> you'd have to manually talk to both pc's
2017-03-14T09:19:15 < ohsix> if you can cheat and use ps2 keyboards you can do something cheap
2017-03-14T09:19:17 < dongs> it would need to udnerstand HID
2017-03-14T09:19:21 < dongs> no apssive split like that no
2017-03-14T09:19:32 < dongs> job for crstall-less USB F0s?
2017-03-14T09:19:43 < ohsix> what you want to do is hook up one keyboard matrix to two controllers
2017-03-14T09:19:45 < upgrdman> dongs, why not just ps2
2017-03-14T09:19:49 < kOStiX> https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-One-Button-Swapping-Between-Computers/dp/B006Z0Q2SI
2017-03-14T09:19:55 < dongs> jesus dude because 2017
2017-03-14T09:20:02 < kOStiX> check that out
2017-03-14T09:20:04 < jadew`> dongs, you could modify a PS2 keyboard tho
2017-03-14T09:20:05 < upgrdman> dongs, well ya buy it would be trivial-er
2017-03-14T09:20:14 < dongs> kOStiX: thats AB switch
2017-03-14T09:20:21 < jadew`> you could connect it to two PS2 to USB adapters
2017-03-14T09:20:23 < jadew`> and it should work
2017-03-14T09:20:45 < dongs> kOStiX: i would need output on BOTH a and b
2017-03-14T09:20:59 < kOStiX> ah yeah i see
2017-03-14T09:21:19 < jadew`> dongs, I think the PS2 to USB thing is your best bet
2017-03-14T09:21:24 < jadew`> unless you want to roll your own kb
2017-03-14T09:21:49 < dongs> jadew`: wat, no, not keyboard, i would need to roll my own box that this shit plugs into tho
2017-03-14T09:22:54 < dongs> N+ USB device ports talking HID, 1 USB host port for keyboard, take keyboard input and pass over to every port
2017-03-14T09:22:55 < jadew`> there are also USB 2 PS2 adapters, you can go USB-2-PS2 to 2 x PS2-to-USB
2017-03-14T09:23:04 < kOStiX> http://lifehacker.com/254648/how-to-control-multiple-computers-with-a-single-keyboard-and-mouse
2017-03-14T09:23:15 < kOStiX> network solution
2017-03-14T09:23:30 < jadew`> dongs, I guess it depends on how much time you want to invest in this or what's the goal
2017-03-14T09:23:40 < dongs> kOStiX: i know about synergy
2017-03-14T09:23:43 < dongs> thats not the solution
2017-03-14T09:23:44 < jadew`> if you need it for your self or if you want to make a product
2017-03-14T09:23:57 < kOStiX> guess depends the application hehe
2017-03-14T09:24:53 < jadew`> either way, seems like a simple enough thing to do
2017-03-14T09:25:52 < jadew`> is this so you can blog on two blogs at once? :)
2017-03-14T09:26:02 < stm32> THE MAGNETICS
2017-03-14T09:30:38 < upgrdman> o wow, github can visualize STL files    https://github.com/farrellf/TelemetryViewer/blob/master/Telemetry%20Viewer/resources/monkey.stl
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2017-03-14T09:37:16 < dongs> older than jewbus
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2017-03-14T09:39:29 < stm32> jew wut
2017-03-14T09:39:39 < dongs> i think i meant to type jesus
2017-03-14T09:39:41 < dongs> got was too stoned
2017-03-14T09:39:46 < dongs> and/or thinking about jews
2017-03-14T09:39:52 < stm32> ah 
2017-03-14T09:40:02 < stm32> i want my power supply
2017-03-14T09:40:24 < stm32> but the demons keep bringing me audio and laser mill shit to fix
2017-03-14T09:41:40 < jadew`> man... some of the topics in the RM are super poorly covered
2017-03-14T09:42:22 < jadew`> like, for async FSMC NOR transactions, you get a bullet list of what it means
2017-03-14T09:42:44 < jadew`> you switch to synchronous transactions and instead of a bullet list that would highlight the difference, you get a fucking story
2017-03-14T09:43:02 < stm32> yeah
2017-03-14T09:43:08 < stm32> gotta smash in the knowledge
2017-03-14T09:43:44 < jadew`> you have to get super familiar with the async part so you can tell the difference between the two
2017-03-14T09:45:15 < stm32> yip
2017-03-14T09:46:15 < dongs> yip? more like RIP
2017-03-14T09:46:24 < zyp> dongs, how many outputs do you need?
2017-03-14T09:46:50 < stm32> meanwhile in AU https://youtu.be/SUgyIEUFuXw?t=1m48s
2017-03-14T09:47:17 < zyp> dongs, you need at least three usb cores to be able to act as host and two devices at the same time
2017-03-14T09:47:28 < dongs> zyp, sure
2017-03-14T09:47:36 < dongs> i knew this would be a multi-core project
2017-03-14T09:50:10 < zyp> what sort of HID devices are you going to do? only keyboard?
2017-03-14T09:50:29 < dongs> ya 
2017-03-14T09:50:31 < dongs> mouse would get a bit fucky
2017-03-14T09:51:04 < zyp> so only the basic boot protocol then?
2017-03-14T09:51:21 < zyp> i.e. the default keyboard profile that 99% of keyboards follow
2017-03-14T09:51:42 < dongs> rite heh
2017-03-14T09:51:50 < dongs> ugh cant connect my fucing phone to vpn, must be assdroid failure
2017-03-14T09:51:59 < dongs> win10 works great
2017-03-14T09:52:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> win10 phone?
2017-03-14T09:52:26 < zyp> well, if you hardcode for keyboard boot proto, you don't need to pass through report descriptor requests and shit
2017-03-14T09:52:55 < zyp> all you need to do is pass the keyboard reports themselves, and maybe led reports in the other direction
2017-03-14T10:01:19 < upgrdman> dongs, what part of cn are you in, shenzhen?
2017-03-14T10:01:27 < dongs> yes but flying to qingdao tomrorw
2017-03-14T10:01:30 < dongs> for one day
2017-03-14T10:01:41 < stm32> pump and run
2017-03-14T10:01:51 < upgrdman> in shanghai no one pissed in the street. do the fuckers in shenzhen do that?
2017-03-14T10:01:55 < upgrdman> or is that a beijing thing
2017-03-14T10:02:16 < ReadError> do some mobo chipsets require ECC RAM ?
2017-03-14T10:02:17 < dongs> lul
2017-03-14T10:02:26 < dongs> i saw some mom/kid pissing while going for lunch today
2017-03-14T10:02:30 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-14T10:02:31 < ReadError> this mobo says "ECC REQUIRED"
2017-03-14T10:02:40 < dongs> so i guess its just a CHINA THING
2017-03-14T10:02:45 < ReadError> but ive used the same CPU w/ regular ass DDR3
2017-03-14T10:03:01 < upgrdman> ya i heard its a china thing, but in 5 months i never once saw it in shanghai
2017-03-14T10:03:13 < dongs> donno < 24h here and already seen it
2017-03-14T10:03:20 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-14T10:03:53 < stm32> asahi brewed in china
2017-03-14T10:04:07 < stm32> thats what ends up on our shelves
2017-03-14T10:04:11 < upgrdman> tsingtao or whatever its called is supposed decent
2017-03-14T10:04:32 < upgrdman> but im not a beer consumer
2017-03-14T10:05:21 < upgrdman> one of my american coworkers, with me in shanghai for a week, bough a 40oz of some random beer. said it talked like total trash. lol
2017-03-14T10:07:48 < dongs> oh god damn
2017-03-14T10:08:07 < dongs> fucking cuckvpn borked my phone. its perm connected to fucking gook vpn address
2017-03-14T10:08:19 < dongs> and i cant figure out where to change it
2017-03-14T10:08:26 < ReadError> using openvpn client?
2017-03-14T10:08:33 < ReadError> it should be in the android vpn setting shit
2017-03-14T10:08:51 < ReadError> least thats how it is on the superior iphone 
2017-03-14T10:08:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> monkey.stl! suzanne.stl thank you
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2017-03-14T10:17:23 < upgrdman> Jak_o_Shadows, ya i gave credit and mentioned suzanne in my video
2017-03-14T10:17:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> oh, good
2017-03-14T10:17:45 < upgrdman> i even opened up blender to show
2017-03-14T10:18:48 < Kerr-A> Okay, I've enjoyed just enough of programming via writing directly to registers and reading the datasheet of my stm32f103 and want to pick a library. Suggestions?
2017-03-14T10:19:12 < stm32> how bout i turn up the heat
2017-03-14T10:19:26 < dongs> ugh fixed. i had to clear app data
2017-03-14T10:19:29 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-03-14T10:19:44 < upgrdman> Kerr-A, i never found a good one. stdperiphlib if you want to use something common. 
2017-03-14T10:19:51 < upgrdman> but i would just write my own
2017-03-14T10:19:52 < PaulFertser> Kerr-A: libopencm3, stm32plus, http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks, ChibiOS
2017-03-14T10:20:00 < upgrdman> that way you have less abstraction
2017-03-14T10:20:20 < Kerr-A> There are so many >_<
2017-03-14T10:20:44 < PaulFertser> Kerr-A: what language do you prefer?
2017-03-14T10:20:47 < Kerr-A> C
2017-03-14T10:21:02 < dongs> Kerr-A: stdperiphlib
2017-03-14T10:21:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> Kerr-A, probably not mbed or Chibi if you've enjoyed writing stuff as you have
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2017-03-14T10:22:08 < Kerr-A> Yeah I'm prefering the understanding, but on the flip side 1. There's always something I didn't know needed set 2. It's time consuming
2017-03-14T10:22:09 < PaulFertser> Kerr-A: libopencm3 might feel way saner than the ST's shitlibs (stdperiph, "HAL")
2017-03-14T10:22:57 < Kerr-A> I'm leaning towards stdperlib, but... the code example I've seen kindof bother me lol
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2017-03-14T10:23:37 < upgrdman> havent tried libopencm3 in years, but it seems like it had good promise back then
2017-03-14T10:23:39 < Kerr-A> TBH it almost looks harder to use stdperlib, requiring more commands even
2017-03-14T10:23:41 < upgrdman> might be worth a shot
2017-03-14T10:24:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> loc3 is easily better documented.
2017-03-14T10:24:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> NOt great, but better
2017-03-14T10:24:52 < Jak_o_Shadows> on the other hand, less random examples
2017-03-14T10:25:00 < upgrdman> Kerr-A, you could also just use a lib to get things working, then step through the code and extract the releavant register settings into your own clean init function, etc.
2017-03-14T10:25:09 < Kerr-A> The other thing being I'm going to need to start handling interrupts, and after several hours of reading I do NOT feel closer to being able to implement that from scratch
2017-03-14T10:25:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> upgrdman, that is exactly my plan
2017-03-14T10:25:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> erm, not for the usb stuff though, screw that
2017-03-14T10:27:49 < Kerr-A> And there's other stuff that I don't know how to handle at the moment, for example PWM without the possibility of truncated pulses if the controller were reset
2017-03-14T10:29:12 < Kerr-A> While partially my fault for driving a 5V servo using 8.4V, I wrecked a servo earlier because It rammed all the way to the limit of its movement when I hit reset. Some oscilloscope testing revealed: last pulse ends up truncated...
2017-03-14T10:30:14 < upgrdman> Kerr-A, no way around that
2017-03-14T10:30:14 < upgrdman> but
2017-03-14T10:30:19 < upgrdman> servo should not be damaged by that
2017-03-14T10:30:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> Can't you do servo PWM just with a timer, it's one of the modes?
2017-03-14T10:30:25 < upgrdman> they have end stops on the output gear
2017-03-14T10:30:41 < Kerr-A> It busted the stop : more torque than spec at 8.4v lol
2017-03-14T10:31:20 < upgrdman> Kerr-A, then if you need to keep doing that, maybe power the servo by a FET controlled by the f1, so when it resets the servo looses power
2017-03-14T10:31:39 < Kerr-A> It was one of a box of 50 cheap ass "tower pro" servos I have. Actual project has $150 savox servos
2017-03-14T10:31:49 < upgrdman> (FET + external gate resistor)
2017-03-14T10:32:39 < Kerr-A> ... That's actually something I was tossing in my head for totally different reasons. I have a bunch of power MOSFET's I can use for the purpose, but I need a charge pump to drive them
2017-03-14T10:33:27 < upgrdman> or be lazy and use a polyfuse :)
2017-03-14T10:33:42 < upgrdman> not sure if it'd trip quick enough though
2017-03-14T10:33:48 < upgrdman> hmmm prolly not
2017-03-14T10:33:51 < Kerr-A> The servos on the project draw a significant ammount of power when idle, ~500ma just holding position
2017-03-14T10:34:08 < Kerr-A> So being able to selectively turn them off is a plus
2017-03-14T10:34:52 < upgrdman> Kerr-A, digital serovs? if analog servos, just stop driving the PWM and it should stop powering the motor
2017-03-14T10:35:13 < upgrdman> might also work with digitals too, but some try to be helpful and just hold last position
2017-03-14T10:37:35 < Kerr-A> https://www.amazon.com/Savox-0-075-Voltage-Brushless-Digital/dp/B00ORKX5B0
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2017-03-14T10:40:28 < Kerr-A> I'm almost considering using one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/16-Channel-Robot-Servo-Control-Board-12-bit-PWM-I2C-Servo-Driver-for-Arduino-r3-/152260668379?hash=item2373716bdb:g:DsIAAOSwmfhX7kZ3
2017-03-14T10:40:43 < Kerr-A> oh. bye lol
2017-03-14T10:43:44 < dongs> is that an adafruit product
2017-03-14T10:43:48 < dongs> ywh it is
2017-03-14T10:44:00 < dongs> https://www.adafruit.com/product/815
2017-03-14T10:44:03 < dongs> check how much that cunt wants for it
2017-03-14T10:44:09 < Kerr-A> yeah I got some knockoffs for like $1
2017-03-14T10:44:28 < Kerr-A> they work with the adafruit code on an rpi lol
2017-03-14T10:44:43 < Kerr-A> oh price actually went down on the adafruit ones lol
2017-03-14T10:45:00 < Kerr-A> they dont even solder the damn headers, its a chip on a pcb
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2017-03-14T10:47:22 < Kerr-A> Im not much for c++ no I'm not going to consider stm32 plus...
2017-03-14T10:48:02 < Kerr-A> chibios is a little heavier than I really want
2017-03-14T10:49:12 < stm32> stm32 for life brothers
2017-03-14T10:49:36 < Kerr-A> "it brings the benefits of a bug free reference mapping file, speeding up the early project phase." - stdperlib UM1061
2017-03-14T10:49:56 < Kerr-A> Already I've had several register names not line up exactly lol
2017-03-14T10:50:13 < Kerr-A> like mul vs mult
2017-03-14T11:01:10 < Kerr-A> dongs: arguments for stdperlib?
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2017-03-14T11:02:20 < stm32> xx Laurenceb_
2017-03-14T11:03:47 < Kerr-A> stm32... which library to you perfer to push your buttons
2017-03-14T11:05:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> The biggest arguement for stdperiph is that it's the most common
2017-03-14T11:05:21 < stm32> i just use stdperipheral library
2017-03-14T11:05:24 < stm32> powered by KEIL
2017-03-14T11:05:27 < stm32> an ARM company
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2017-03-14T11:06:18 < stm32> keil is great because i can fix CRT monitors while chatting on ##stm32 
2017-03-14T11:06:55 < dongs> Kerr-A: it works, tons of example
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2017-03-14T11:28:34 < stm32> KABANG!!!!!!
2017-03-14T11:28:52 < stm32> i just got fucked in the ass by china!
2017-03-14T11:31:16 < dongs> did you b uy some totally legit new and original parts
2017-03-14T11:31:30 < stm32> nah
2017-03-14T11:31:37 < stm32> just rebuilt the power supply, tested OK
2017-03-14T11:31:48 < stm32> hooked up the amp modules (everything measured OK)
2017-03-14T11:31:52 < stm32> nope.exe 
2017-03-14T11:31:55 < stm32> lul
2017-03-14T11:33:45 < stm32> yeah aint got the time to build test fixtures for going further in this gig.
2017-03-14T11:33:51 < stm32> $0 bill, go somewhere else
2017-03-14T11:36:38 < dongs> < stm32> $0 bill, go back to israel
2017-03-14T11:36:47 < dongs> ya FUCKEN JEW
2017-03-14T11:36:52 < stm32> hahahaha
2017-03-14T11:37:04 < stm32> what a waste of igbtz~
2017-03-14T11:37:08 < stm32> oh welllllllll
2017-03-14T11:37:19 < dongs> igbts more like IHBT's
2017-03-14T11:37:26 < stm32> LGBTs
2017-03-14T11:37:27 < zyp> dongs, what was that 3d printer board that was supposed to be good shit?
2017-03-14T11:37:37 < stm32> that was an impressive CRACKKKKKKKKKKK
2017-03-14T11:37:37 < dongs> zyp, 3d printer or laser?
2017-03-14T11:37:42 < zyp> 3d printer
2017-03-14T11:37:52 < dongs> i donno, you mean thT ST-EVAL thign?
2017-03-14T11:37:55 < dongs> or something existing
2017-03-14T11:37:59 < dongs> smoothieboard?
2017-03-14T11:38:02 < dongs> just dont tell jpa about it
2017-03-14T11:38:04 < zyp> ah, that might be it
2017-03-14T11:38:12 < zyp> is smoothieboard good shit?
2017-03-14T11:38:20 < dongs> well, if you dont mind LPCaids
2017-03-14T11:38:21 < dongs> its okay
2017-03-14T11:38:25 < dongs> the code is absoullte shit
2017-03-14T11:38:39 < zyp> oh, I don't wanna code for LPC myself
2017-03-14T11:39:09 < dongs> the code by itself works ok
2017-03-14T11:39:13 < zyp> one of my pals started assembling my five year old 3d printer shit kit
2017-03-14T11:39:13 < dongs> if  you just close your eyes
2017-03-14T11:39:35 < zyp> and I figure it's probably a good idea to throw out the arduino+ramps shit that came with it and replace it with something proper
2017-03-14T11:39:39 < zyp> if something proper exists
2017-03-14T11:39:48 < dongs> yeah, smoothie is OK for that
2017-03-14T11:39:55 < dongs> far from prefect but beats retarduino
2017-03-14T11:40:11 < zyp> any other decent options?
2017-03-14T11:40:12 < dongs> you can buy that ST 3d rinter kit.. but their firmware is kinda trash
2017-03-14T11:40:36 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/steval-3dp001v1.html
2017-03-14T11:40:47 < zyp> also, what was that about jpa? :p
2017-03-14T11:41:01 < dongs> he tried to contribute sane code to smoothiebored
2017-03-14T11:41:06 < dongs> and tehy got all uppity
2017-03-14T11:41:14 < dongs> DOESNT MATCH OUR RETARD CODING STYLE
2017-03-14T11:41:15 < dongs> or somethign
2017-03-14T11:41:17 < zyp> ah, haha
2017-03-14T11:41:28 < dongs> just because we have 1000 hacks, you can't add 1001st
2017-03-14T11:41:29 < dongs> or something like that
2017-03-14T11:43:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> The ramps and arduino is terrible, but who cares, the mechanical issues limit you easier
2017-03-14T11:50:13 < zyp> hmm, the steval board looks kinda neat if I want to roll my own firmware
2017-03-14T11:50:43 < dongs> they have a decent starting point on shithub
2017-03-14T11:50:46 < dongs> i mean it works
2017-03-14T11:50:50 < dongs> i think its a merlin or wahtever port
2017-03-14T11:51:10 < zyp> yeah, UM says Marlin4ST
2017-03-14T11:58:34 < sync_> they all suck tbh, I use a ramps and it works
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2017-03-14T12:35:24 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/dRGlon_ezvU
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2017-03-14T12:48:02 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ReformedBroker/status/840926162650091521
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2017-03-14T13:28:56 < zyp> hmm
2017-03-14T13:29:09 < zyp> still think these TI timers are crazy
2017-03-14T13:29:21 < zyp> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/images/a/a8/N2HET_EMU_I2C_AppNote.pdf <- there's an appnote for how to do i2c with them
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2017-03-14T13:36:59 < stm32> Guh what a day
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2017-03-14T13:45:06 < stm32> How did my day get so gay
2017-03-14T13:47:55 < Steffanx> You joined ##stm32
2017-03-14T13:48:18 < stm32> I see
2017-03-14T13:48:28 < stm32> The master's plan
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2017-03-14T13:54:58 < Laurenceb> sup
2017-03-14T13:55:20 < stm32> Hiiii
2017-03-14T13:55:30 < Laurenceb> it finally happened
2017-03-14T13:55:40 < Laurenceb> I got b& from ##stm32 for sealposting
2017-03-14T13:55:46 < stm32> Oh
2017-03-14T13:57:04 < stm32> Congratz
2017-03-14T13:58:04 < Laurenceb> achievement unlocked
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2017-03-14T14:00:30 < stm32> Cirketz
2017-03-14T14:01:14 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c63_1489482392
2017-03-14T14:01:18 < Laurenceb> serious business
2017-03-14T14:12:34 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgtc.com/PxED2lc.png
2017-03-14T14:14:02 < sync_> old
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2017-03-14T14:44:47 < sync_> Laurenceb: how do you feel about boaty mcboatface?
2017-03-14T14:45:11 < Laurenceb> nothing to do with me
2017-03-14T15:23:50 < dongs> sup doges
2017-03-14T15:25:22 < englishman> psoc6 making stm32 obsolete
2017-03-14T15:25:30 < dongs> lol psuck
2017-03-14T15:25:42 < dongs> does it still come wiht a .NUT app
2017-03-14T15:25:45 < dongs> bloated .nut app
2017-03-14T15:25:58 < englishman> someone made rootkits for psoc using disabled flash on lower-end chips
2017-03-14T15:30:29 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-03-14T15:30:32 < Laurenceb> surely trolling
2017-03-14T15:30:48 < Laurenceb> a New Standard for Battery-powered, Secure IoT Devices 
2017-03-14T15:32:11 < Laurenceb> ok the power consumption is pretty low
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2017-03-14T15:47:43 < aandrew> let's see what psoc6 is
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2017-03-14T15:48:26 < aandrew> ah, aboslutely zero info on them
2017-03-14T15:48:47 < aandrew> if it's windows-only, gui-only it'll fail 
2017-03-14T15:48:59 < aandrew> Laurenceb: no I read about it too
2017-03-14T15:49:12 < aandrew> basically they broke open the secure rom
2017-03-14T15:49:27 < aandrew> nothing truly interesting in there but allows them to do some very interesting things
2017-03-14T15:52:53 < aandrew> ok, so psco6 is dual core m4 and m0+, haven't seen UDB count or if they've moved ahead of 8-bit
2017-03-14T15:54:09 < Lux> psoc5 is allready 32 bits
2017-03-14T15:54:19 < aandrew> UDBs are all 8-bit datapaths
2017-03-14T15:54:33 < dongs> wats a udb
2017-03-14T15:54:38 < dongs> universal d ong byte?
2017-03-14T15:54:45 < Lux> those programmable logic blocks
2017-03-14T15:55:03 < Laurenceb> sounds like pita to program
2017-03-14T15:55:04 < Lux> ah ok, I didn't really pay attention to that
2017-03-14T15:55:25 < Lux> they got a windows gui to click stuff together
2017-03-14T15:55:51 < aandrew> yes, it's hideous
2017-03-14T15:55:57 < aandrew> a nice idea horribly implemented
2017-03-14T15:56:12 < aadamson> hey, its from cypress, what else is new
2017-03-14T15:56:27 < dongs> lul
2017-03-14T15:57:14 < Laurenceb> still more sensible than XMOS
2017-03-14T15:57:38 < aadamson> ya missed a letter - XMAS ... lol
2017-03-14T15:57:41 < dongs> moviefags are failingthat is true
2017-03-14T15:57:49 < dongs> err, that is true @ xmos
2017-03-14T15:57:54 < dongs> so these cunts email me today
2017-03-14T15:58:07 < dongs> "panels are not working too reliably"
2017-03-14T15:58:14 < dongs> "we'reconnecting them wiht 20 meters of dispalyport cable"
2017-03-14T15:58:32 < Laurenceb> yo dawg do you want even more cores to replace dedicated hardware?
2017-03-14T16:00:21 < Laurenceb> here have another core, there is an offer on
2017-03-14T16:11:41 < dongs> xmos more like async usb audio
2017-03-14T16:13:27 < Laurenceb> spot the hidden Estes rocket motor (thanx aadamson) http://www.zero2infinity.space/updates/zero-2-infinity-successfully-launches-first-rocket-edge-space/
2017-03-14T16:27:01 < Steffanx> Movie guys with display did that dongs?
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2017-03-14T16:39:37 < jadew`> if I assign something to memory locaed inside external SRAM will that operation block until the data gets sent to the SRAM or it will return immediately?
2017-03-14T16:39:47 < jadew`> *located
2017-03-14T16:40:52 < jadew`> I guess I can test that
2017-03-14T16:52:31 < dongs> uh wawt
2017-03-14T16:52:39 < dongs> 'until data gets sent to sram'?
2017-03-14T16:52:45 < jadew`> over FSMC
2017-03-14T16:53:04 < Steffanx> Depends on the use of the cache etc i guess jadew`?
2017-03-14T16:53:14 < dongs> sdram thing has a check-if-ready/busy thing
2017-03-14T16:53:18 < dongs> i didnt play wiht fsmc enough
2017-03-14T16:53:38 < jadew`> dongs, I didn't notice any such flag, hence the question
2017-03-14T16:53:48 < jadew`> Steffanx, let's say it's out of cache :)
2017-03-14T16:53:57 < dongs> jadew`: thing is, fsmc will clock out / clock in data when you request the region
2017-03-14T16:54:06 < dongs> so i guess the read will stall until its avialable/read out?
2017-03-14T16:54:09 < jadew`> I'm just wondering what's the mechanism for not throwin data away
2017-03-14T16:54:42 < jadew`> dongs, that's my suspicion as well, but I thought there might be something I'm missing
2017-03-14T16:54:58 < jadew`> anyway, I'll have to time it
2017-03-14T16:55:12 < dongs> you can alwasys set your fsmc timings to super srlow
2017-03-14T16:55:14 < jadew`> and if the timing changes based on the configuration, it means it's blocking
2017-03-14T16:55:18 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-14T16:55:19 < jadew`> yeah
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2017-03-14T17:00:51 < jadew`> no change :/
2017-03-14T17:01:20 < jadew`> now the question is if I'm doing something wrong
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2017-03-14T17:40:22 < jadew`> ok... wasted 20 minutes because my probes were in the wrong order on their stand
2017-03-14T17:40:34 < jadew`> so I picked the ch4 probe instead of 2
2017-03-14T17:40:47 < jadew`> then I was wondering why I see no output and assumed it's the code
2017-03-14T17:42:36 < jadew`> they're both blue
2017-03-14T17:45:07 < jadew`> no output from FSMC, that explains why there's no difference between configurations
2017-03-14T17:47:11 < englishman> karlp: how is embedded world? is the ST booth staffed?
2017-03-14T17:55:50 < jadew`> alright, it's blocking \o/
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2017-03-14T18:21:26 < Laurenceb> http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/WeeklyWorldNews-ConfederateAtomicBomb-499x600.jpg
2017-03-14T18:26:23 < BrainDamage> for Laurenceb https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/masturbation-fine-bill-unborn-child-read-it-in-full-official-a7629511.html
2017-03-14T18:26:43 < Laurenceb> muricans btfo
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2017-03-14T18:43:33 < emeb> No irony there. Nope, none at all.
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2017-03-14T19:04:05 < Timmy> Hello there. I am trying to configure ADC on a STM32F411 to start a continues convertion enabled, but this idiot stops after only one convetion and I have to start it manually again. I am using HAL and these are  my codes. I have generated configures using CubeMX: https://paste.kde.org/plazq9qer https://paste.kde.org/pvfico81o  https://paste.kde.org/pzriwmzqq 
2017-03-14T19:11:20 < Timmy> nobody know nothin?
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2017-03-14T19:28:22 < zyp> well
2017-03-14T19:28:28 < zyp> hadc1.Init.EOCSelection = ADC_EOC_SINGLE_CONV; <- what's this?
2017-03-14T19:28:40 < zyp> I'm not familiar with HAL, but that reads like single conversion to me
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2017-03-14T19:41:59 < Steffanx> Lol
2017-03-14T19:43:25 < upgrdman> lol irl    https://github.com/LazoCoder/Windows-Hacks
2017-03-14T19:43:28 < upgrdman> dongs, ^
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2017-03-14T20:04:56 < Laurenceb> aadamson: I dont need thermite, I have Klima igniter sticks
2017-03-14T20:05:10 < Laurenceb> turns out they are cordite strips
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2017-03-14T20:43:06 < englishman> zomg
2017-03-14T20:43:08 < englishman> new paste is amaze
2017-03-14T20:43:12 < englishman> zero tombstones
2017-03-14T20:43:16 < englishman> zero balling
2017-03-14T20:43:20 < englishman> perfect prints
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2017-03-14T20:43:27 < englishman> fillets as shiney as a pimp's grille
2017-03-14T20:43:34 < englishman> it even SMELLS nice
2017-03-14T20:47:45 < kakimir> recommd. usb power measurement device or.. probe
2017-03-14T20:49:23 < kakimir> is there anything for scope?
2017-03-14T20:59:02 < Steffanx> New paste mr englishman ...?
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2017-03-14T21:59:10 < englishman> yessir mr x
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2017-03-14T22:16:59 < upgrdman> if anyone here write java in eclipse, you might be interested in the SonarLint plugin. pretty neat. my code is bad and i should feel bad.
2017-03-14T22:20:50 < kakimir> http://termite.apcdn.com/full/156678.jpeg
2017-03-14T22:20:54 < kakimir> sfw
2017-03-14T22:21:10 < englishman> how is the sauna kaks
2017-03-14T22:23:21 < kakimir> busy work day I rather pass today
2017-03-14T22:25:52 < Steffanx> but sauna time is relax time.
2017-03-14T22:26:13 < kakimir> I had shower at work place
2017-03-14T22:26:23 < kakimir> because sweat and dirt
2017-03-14T22:28:19 < kakimir> how can you relax if your schedule doesn't have "relax time"
2017-03-14T22:29:19 < kakimir> and you are super agitated
2017-03-14T22:29:35 < kakimir> like focused and shit
2017-03-14T22:29:40 < kakimir> for ircs
2017-03-14T22:32:53 < kakimir> you know those days when you don't spool down until night
2017-03-14T22:33:14 < Steffanx> You rather spend time on irc than in the sauna?
2017-03-14T22:33:41 < Steffanx> Make sure your fellow finnishers dont read this.
2017-03-14T22:36:41 < englishman> why not both
2017-03-14T22:36:48 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271290496141 I do not want to pay that much even for 100% seller plus $10 shipping but I need just that
2017-03-14T22:37:19 < englishman> should be $1 from china and freeship, (approx)
2017-03-14T22:37:24 < kakimir> I had some 3dollar ones
2017-03-14T22:37:41 < kakimir> refund because trashbinfood
2017-03-14T22:38:18 < kakimir> contact issues in both plug and socket
2017-03-14T22:39:22 < kakimir> plug didn't stay in laptop headphone connector and my headphones didn't make a contact in socket unless I pressed it
2017-03-14T22:42:40 < Thorn> so here is a 5V ESD/TVS diode, standoff voltage 5V, breakdown 6...8V, worst case clamping voltage 8.7V. I tend do think e.g. a 5V-tolerant pin would be dead @ 8.7V. what do
2017-03-14T22:42:57 < Thorn> series resistor between it and the pin?
2017-03-14T22:43:20 < Thorn> 5V-tolerant STM32 pin
2017-03-14T22:43:26 < kakimir> it clamping voltage at rated current
2017-03-14T22:43:35 < kakimir> usually some current at least
2017-03-14T22:43:42 < kakimir> marked in datasheet
2017-03-14T22:44:01 < kakimir> voltage can get even higher
2017-03-14T22:44:49 < Thorn> it's at 1A. up to 30V @16A
2017-03-14T22:45:25 < kakimir> so it's pretty small
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2017-03-14T23:07:23 < PeterM> you gfot this on a power rail or jsut a gpio?
2017-03-14T23:07:48 < PeterM> if gpio fukken series resistor that shit
2017-03-14T23:07:56 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-14T23:08:06 < kakimir> both sides of TVS series resistor?
2017-03-14T23:08:20 < kakimir> gpio side only?
2017-03-14T23:08:58 < PeterM> either
2017-03-14T23:09:09 < kakimir> or both?
2017-03-14T23:09:16 < PeterM> p.much
2017-03-14T23:09:44 < kakimir> it's however you like it?
2017-03-14T23:10:33 < PeterM> it would be more effective on the input to the tvs 
2017-03-14T23:10:50 < PeterM> but it is still effective on the output to a large degree
2017-03-14T23:11:24 < kakimir> sometimes you can TVS the powerrail and then schottky them IOs to rail
2017-03-14T23:11:38 < kakimir> and series resistors to those schottkys
2017-03-14T23:11:53 < PeterM> i'd not do that
2017-03-14T23:11:55 < Thorn> is the schottky specified under transients
2017-03-14T23:12:05 < kakimir> no
2017-03-14T23:12:40 < kakimir> it would be better than nothing solution
2017-03-14T23:12:55 < kakimir> but also anything would be better solution
2017-03-14T23:15:18 < kakimir> no actually have seperate rail in that case
2017-03-14T23:15:33 < kakimir> that is only for clamping
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2017-03-14T23:17:00 < kakimir> I have that solution in use in some of my slow digital inputs
2017-03-14T23:17:15 < kakimir> that functions also as overvoltage protection
2017-03-14T23:17:34 < kakimir> throw 12v or 24v to inputs and it doesn't mind
2017-03-14T23:17:58 < kakimir> it won't go all way to 230V though
2017-03-14T23:18:26 < kakimir> there was zener for that kind of clamping in the rail
2017-03-14T23:18:54 < kakimir> because of constant power there would be with all lines at 24V
2017-03-14T23:19:50 < kakimir> it was a bit on the limit with those small tvs packages
2017-03-14T23:20:28 < kakimir> how do you think about that PeterM 
2017-03-14T23:22:42 < kakimir> it also has series resistors after the schottkys just in case there is serious overload so the chip has a chance as stuff starts to fuse
2017-03-14T23:22:52 < karlp> englishman: only got here late today, didn't get as far as teh ST booth. only had about an hour to have a quick look around.
2017-03-14T23:23:06 < karlp> there's biiiig banners for ST, but cypress seems to have "won" the advertising budget this year.
2017-03-14T23:23:15 < karlp> not that I'd know, it's my first time to one of these big events.
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2017-03-14T23:24:58 < upgrdman> what event
2017-03-14T23:29:50 < kakimir> with TVS diodes in every line I ended up having like.. 10euros worth of input protection that can't function with constant overloads
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2017-03-14T23:31:18 < englishman> cool karlp, be sure to remind ST how superior and better-received libcm3 is than HAL
2017-03-14T23:31:34 < englishman> and get some psoc6 devkits
2017-03-14T23:32:24 < Steffanx> Not sure how serious that psoc6 is. Is it nice englishman ?
2017-03-14T23:33:29 < englishman> pretty sure it's crap
2017-03-14T23:34:30 < karlp> englishman: what is this new paste of yours?
2017-03-14T23:34:33 < englishman> 1/2 as many udbs as psoc5
2017-03-14T23:34:46 < englishman> karlp: gc 10 from loctite
2017-03-14T23:34:50 < englishman> T4
2017-03-14T23:34:55 < englishman> so far: impressed
2017-03-14T23:35:00 < englishman> and its available at digikey
2017-03-14T23:37:52 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: psoc6 is super-serious: http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/4058/ read the comments
2017-03-14T23:38:19 < karlp> yeah, want to visit cypress tomorrow in generall.
2017-03-14T23:38:40 < karlp> not sure if much free stuff is left, it will be day 2 tomorrow, and I'm not really there to just tryand score free shit.
2017-03-14T23:38:52 < karlp> I'm bad at filching free beer and pretzels apparently.
2017-03-14T23:40:08 < Steffanx> Haha PaulFertser :D
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2017-03-14T23:40:40 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: he sent that after probably a month of cryptic emails regarding Gerrit registration and usage. 
2017-03-14T23:46:59 < englishman> repeat lols
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2017-03-14T23:54:59 < kakimir> how crackhead stuff it's to build own solar panel for custom application from solar panel tiles?
2017-03-14T23:56:56 < kakimir> talking ofc of monocrystalline quality tiles
2017-03-14T23:57:16 < kakimir> but even the glass for the panel needs to be right quality
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2017-03-14T23:57:52 < Thorn> what is SROM
2017-03-14T23:59:09 < Thorn> >psoc6 used different 
2017-03-14T23:59:09 < Thorn> SROM APIs
2017-03-14T23:59:46 < kakimir> what da fa google search gives me for "SRAM"
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2017-03-15T00:00:21 < sync_> kakimir: "it depends"
2017-03-15T00:00:32 < kakimir> of I searched for srom
2017-03-15T00:01:30 < kakimir> it must mean something in some other language
2017-03-15T00:01:49 < kakimir> sync_: you do build them?
2017-03-15T00:02:25 < sync_> well I work in an institute that does PV research
2017-03-15T00:04:48 < stm32> Cool
2017-03-15T00:05:06 < kakimir> I need some better quality glass to result in good panel?
2017-03-15T00:05:27 < kakimir> not just 30year old scrap glass from attic
2017-03-15T00:06:52 < englishman> Thorn: "Supervisor ROM" aka "Secret ROM" https://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=23.%20PSoC4
2017-03-15T00:08:38 < sync_> you need AR coated glass + the proper foil between the cells
2017-03-15T00:08:48 < sync_> and the right goo in the module
2017-03-15T00:08:52 < Thorn> ohokic
2017-03-15T00:09:00 < kakimir> how about protection from the elements?
2017-03-15T00:09:04 < kakimir> meaning goo maybe?
2017-03-15T00:10:06 < sync_> well, the cells are often filled with some kind of silicone to keep the moisture out
2017-03-15T00:10:18 < sync_> and it needs to be the right shit not to loose efficiency
2017-03-15T00:11:10 < kakimir> yes
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2017-03-15T00:13:34 < karlp> muzak for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nviT7RqUofY
2017-03-15T00:17:12 < karlp> never even heard of glyn.de, but they'are apparently some big distributor? who knew!
2017-03-15T00:18:26 < karlp> I don't really get what the distributor stands are for even
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2017-03-15T00:43:44 < englishman> hmm
2017-03-15T00:43:45 < englishman> https://www.facebook.com/kevin.desjardinsjean/videos/10155078802008328/
2017-03-15T00:43:51 < englishman> the snow is blowing up
2017-03-15T00:46:20 < Laurenceb_> HOW DARE YOU FLAUNT YOUR SNOW PRIVILEGE
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2017-03-15T00:46:28 < Steffanx> lol. Where is this englishman?
2017-03-15T00:46:39 < englishman> about 1.5hr south of here
2017-03-15T00:46:41 < Steffanx> Canuckland, i guess
2017-03-15T00:46:43 < Steffanx> oh, that's a yes
2017-03-15T00:46:53 < Laurenceb_> cancuck
2017-03-15T00:47:49 < Steffanx> That last crash is a good one.. 
2017-03-15T00:48:45 < englishman> yeah
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2017-03-15T00:50:20 < Steffanx> Big question. WHY you drive so fast when it's this bad. I mean.. looks like that last guy doesnt break at all ( or it doesnt work very well )
2017-03-15T00:50:48 < englishman> bad idea, right
2017-03-15T00:52:20 < kakimir> is that snow like something very slipery or what?
2017-03-15T00:52:28 < kakimir> or summer tyres?
2017-03-15T00:52:44 < kakimir> not that much of snow
2017-03-15T00:52:46 < englishman> summer tires aren't legal until tomorrow. lel
2017-03-15T00:53:25 < Steffanx> Did DHL sent you a track&trace code englishman ?
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2017-03-15T00:54:10 < englishman> negatory
2017-03-15T00:55:03 < Steffanx> Weird they are supposed to do that.
2017-03-15T00:55:36 < Laurenceb_> reeeee fucking scots
2017-03-15T00:55:49 < Laurenceb_> tfw 1/8th Scottish :(
2017-03-15T00:56:42 < kakimir> you did dna test yourself
2017-03-15T00:58:32 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-03-15T00:59:41 < kakimir> which one?
2017-03-15T01:01:34 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ is irish too. Because ginger.
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2017-03-15T01:03:22 < Laurenceb_> damn I thought it wasn't obvious :(
2017-03-15T01:03:35 < Laurenceb_> need to gas myself, it's the only way
2017-03-15T01:03:55 < Steffannn> So how is your heart condition nowadays kakimir ?
2017-03-15T01:05:04 < Laurenceb_> potato nigger
2017-03-15T01:05:06 < kakimir> are you worried of me?
2017-03-15T01:05:20 < Steffannn> Ofcourse.
2017-03-15T01:05:30 < Steffannn> Part of the group.
2017-03-15T01:05:36 < Laurenceb_> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Scientific_racism_irish.jpg
2017-03-15T01:05:51  * Laurenceb_ starts building his gas chamber
2017-03-15T01:06:24 < stm32> CRTs
2017-03-15T01:07:03 < Laurenceb_> crapillary refill
2017-03-15T01:07:48 < kakimir> heart is functioning Steffannn 
2017-03-15T01:10:32 < stm32> chan raiding trolls
2017-03-15T01:10:34 < stm32> CRT
2017-03-15T01:11:48 < Steffannn> Oh it makes sense now
2017-03-15T01:14:37 < Laurenceb_> damn that makes sense indeed
2017-03-15T01:15:07 < Laurenceb_> lul @ all the sites that look like the random startup generator
2017-03-15T01:15:09 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38583.0
2017-03-15T01:15:45 < Laurenceb_> http://www.tranquilityaerospace.com/ < cool story bro aerospace
2017-03-15T01:16:15 < Laurenceb_> my sides https://twitter.com/TranquilityAero/status/728281870526459904/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
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2017-03-15T01:22:22 < englishman> lol Laurenceb_ 
2017-03-15T01:22:29 < englishman> dual gps for twice the error
2017-03-15T01:23:07 < Laurenceb_> erm no sqrt(2) if its random
2017-03-15T01:23:18 < Laurenceb_>  1/sqrt(2)
2017-03-15T01:24:30 < Laurenceb_> the funny is CGI versus what they have achieved in reality
2017-03-15T01:35:24 < jadew`> lol, I'm reading this datasheet for a LCD controller and there's an example there which sends 3 bytes to the controller and one of them is commented as "Dummy byte"
2017-03-15T01:35:37 < jadew`> but if you check the byte's description, one of its bits actually means something
2017-03-15T01:35:39 < jadew`> and it's set
2017-03-15T01:35:51 < jadew`> it means that the other 2 bytes should be used
2017-03-15T01:40:06 < stm32> gimme gimme
2017-03-15T01:46:32 < stm32> so my friend he comes up with some stupid ideas
2017-03-15T01:46:41 < stm32> 'make a game about crowd controlling'
2017-03-15T01:46:57 < stm32> *black lives matter*
2017-03-15T01:46:58 < upgrdman> Sheep Dog Simulator 2017
2017-03-15T01:47:05 < stm32> -order air strike
2017-03-15T01:47:10 < stm32> solved
2017-03-15T01:47:36 < Laurenceb_> the Helen Keller experience for HTC vive
2017-03-15T01:48:05 < stm32> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a3rRlLWYZ4
2017-03-15T01:48:51 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38583.0
2017-03-15T01:48:58 < stm32> astrocux
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2017-03-15T01:49:55 < stm32> do the geoffrey leonard and talk with your hands
2017-03-15T01:54:07 < jadew`> check out this brilliant note
2017-03-15T01:54:15 < jadew`> on an 8 bit register
2017-03-15T01:54:34 < jadew`> Note: PWM always 0 if PWM[7:0] = 00h
2017-03-15T01:54:34 < stm32> u wot mate
2017-03-15T01:55:10 < stm32> lol
2017-03-15T01:55:28 < stm32> come help me build the unit jadew
2017-03-15T01:55:35 < jadew`> what unit?
2017-03-15T01:55:44 < stm32> the power supply mate
2017-03-15T01:55:58 < jadew`> for what?
2017-03-15T01:56:09 < stm32> POWER MATE
2017-03-15T01:56:22 < stm32> i think it's time for my 2nd coffee
2017-03-15T01:56:33 < jadew`> I'm having mine right now
2017-03-15T01:56:50 < jadew`> I finally understand EVERYTHING!
2017-03-15T01:57:00 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvtXwhJ2BiY Laurenceb_ 
2017-03-15T01:58:16 < stm32> Economical Transformer Design
2017-03-15T02:02:22 < stm32> http://au.element14.com/ferroxcube/etd59-31-22-3f3/ferrite-core-etd-3f3/dp/2103356
2017-03-15T02:10:50 < englishman> 80km/h winds on anemometer, nice
2017-03-15T02:14:36 < stm32> heres a real fucking dog
2017-03-15T02:15:08 < stm32> why the fuck can't IGBTs be separated into those shitty 20khz ones and the ~100khz fast ones
2017-03-15T02:16:35 < stm32> or do i just go by frequency derating 
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2017-03-15T02:20:49 < aandrew> sweet, got my bdi2000 working
2017-03-15T02:22:37 < stm32> wut dat tho
2017-03-15T02:22:50 < aandrew> fancy jtag
2017-03-15T02:22:55 < aandrew> ancient too
2017-03-15T02:23:06 < stm32> yah i c
2017-03-15T02:23:13 < stm32> well some things die hard
2017-03-15T02:23:14 < aandrew> but basically it's an ethernet connected jtag/swd, it's a gdb target 
2017-03-15T02:23:26 < stm32> yeah
2017-03-15T02:26:15 < englishman> 91.2km/h
2017-03-15T02:28:34 < stm32> hi son
2017-03-15T02:42:30 < sync_> stm32: well, you choose the right igbts for the right app
2017-03-15T02:42:42 < sync_> gotta scour them datasheets
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2017-03-15T02:57:31 < Thorn> in a 4 pin smd xtal package, 2 pins are connected to the metal lid. should I connect them to gnd or leave floating?
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2017-03-15T02:59:44 < sync_> Thorn: look in the datasheet
2017-03-15T03:00:16 < Thorn> datasheet says #2 & #4: Grounded to metal lid
2017-03-15T03:01:23 < Thorn> I don't know what "grounded" is supposed to mean
2017-03-15T03:01:46 < Thorn> http://geyer-electronic.de/uploads/tx_userartikelfrequenz/GEYER-KX-7_01.pdf
2017-03-15T03:02:33 < englishman> standard xtal
2017-03-15T03:02:38 < englishman> ground one or both but usually not none
2017-03-15T03:02:58  * emeb just uses 2-pin xtals
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2017-03-15T03:04:36 < Thorn> ok connected both to gnd
2017-03-15T03:04:37 < englishman> the old man crystal can
2017-03-15T03:08:27 < Laurenceb_> whats with ppl using the huge xtals
2017-03-15T03:08:31 < Laurenceb_> I'm confuse
2017-03-15T03:08:45  * Laurenceb_ never seems to use bigger than 2x2.5mm
2017-03-15T03:09:18 < englishman> cheaper
2017-03-15T03:10:39 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-03-15T03:10:52  * Laurenceb_ charges UKP6k/datalogger
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2017-03-15T03:23:58 < stm32> sync_: yeah it just seems there are distinct breeds 
2017-03-15T03:25:03 < stm32> eg if they're designed for the 100khz range its like the 2nd dot point on the data sheet
2017-03-15T03:25:42 < stm32> eg i can just type warp2 into digikey and i'll get the punters
2017-03-15T03:26:51 < sync_> well sure, fast iggbits are not easy to make so everybody brags about it
2017-03-15T03:27:10 < englishman> 97km/h, yikes
2017-03-15T03:27:10 < sync_> but now SiC is starting to get on the market there
2017-03-15T03:27:55 < sync_> don't get blown away
2017-03-15T03:28:40 < stm32> SiC ey
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2017-03-15T03:51:12 < Laurenceb_> sync_: if you are still interested in rocket stuff, looks like a clamshell nozzle extension with built in vanes gives better results than my previous vane design
2017-03-15T03:51:24 < Laurenceb_> but impossible to test at SLP :(
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2017-03-15T03:53:40 < sync_> use a vacuum chamber
2017-03-15T03:54:28 < Laurenceb_> heh I'd need a big one about 4m tall
2017-03-15T03:54:49 < Laurenceb_> sim is giving me 175km apogee with 2 gram payload
2017-03-15T03:54:53 < Laurenceb_> all on a little D motor
2017-03-15T04:00:20 < Laurenceb_> https://patents.google.com/patent/GB1426698A/en
2017-03-15T04:04:19 < sync_> wat
2017-03-15T04:05:26 < Thorn> good thing it expired
2017-03-15T04:09:21 < kakimir> fml
2017-03-15T04:13:34 < Laurenceb_> that guy filed troll patents
2017-03-15T04:17:46 < jadew`> Thorn, like if it didn't expire someone could have infringed on it
2017-03-15T04:18:26 < Laurenceb_> what about an orbital nuclear weapons platform staffed by GM hyperintellegent cats?
2017-03-15T04:18:30 < Laurenceb_> ginger of course
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2017-03-15T04:24:54 < stm32> replaced my iphone5s charge port (eg a flex with so nanoscopic connectors, i'd rather drink poison
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2017-03-15T04:48:09 < aadamson> yeah, WSPR to the rescue, middle of india, and my balloon says hello (but only the telemetry spot so it won't show on a map until it gets the primary one)
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2017-03-15T04:57:35 < jadew`> for the record, there's merit to what LeeLooMinai did with her HAL thing, I did something similar, but cracked up the autism a notch and made it all with templates so it's static assertable
2017-03-15T04:58:07 < jadew`> I don't think it has much use for anything else but GPIO
2017-03-15T04:59:13 < jadew`> the thing there is that you can configure all the pins at once for one GPIO bank, so it makes sense to want something like that
2017-03-15T05:00:04 < jadew`> but for other stuff it feels simpler to do it the classic way
2017-03-15T05:02:07 < stm32> gooday fokes
2017-03-15T05:02:55 < jadew`> are you leaving or waking up?
2017-03-15T05:04:00 < jadew`> I want a scope with LA
2017-03-15T05:04:33 < englishman> not worth it
2017-03-15T05:04:44 < englishman> they suck vs. $8 saleaeclone
2017-03-15T05:04:58 < aadamson> I have 2, never use them, instead pull out the saleae :)
2017-03-15T05:05:06 < jadew`> heh
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2017-03-15T05:52:20 < upgrdman> good job prauge   http://i.imgur.com/XXRquzO.jpg
2017-03-15T05:52:38 < upgrdman> prague*
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2017-03-15T05:53:39 < upgrdman> haha https://getclippy.co/p/7jeKGqVeyL
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2017-03-15T06:26:11 < stm32> yeah old fave of mine
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2017-03-15T06:31:08 < upgrdman> heh, this is actually a kinda neat mural  https://imgur.com/gallery/T5k9a
2017-03-15T06:37:07 < upgrdman> heh, legit cool. the ending.   https://i.imgur.com/QlGpd.gif
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2017-03-15T07:00:32 < PaulFertser> Thorn: system rom or something. ROM that helds helper functions, including those for flashing.
2017-03-15T07:01:01 < stm32> the tcp/ip stack mate
2017-03-15T07:01:06 < stm32> stick it in the rom
2017-03-15T07:01:25 < stm32> DFU over wifi
2017-03-15T07:01:44 < stm32> (c) pumper industries
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2017-03-15T09:42:05 < stm33> have a cold beer 
2017-03-15T09:42:09 < stm33> its farken straya mate
2017-03-15T09:42:17 < stm33> we call it a BREWSKEN
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2017-03-15T13:49:15 < Steffanx> Where is crt?
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2017-03-15T16:10:10 < fenug_> arg, who else woke up to a fresh 40cm of snow this morning
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2017-03-15T16:50:00 < Steffanx> Lol fenugrec ?
2017-03-15T16:50:12 < Steffanx> Yankeeland?
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2017-03-15T17:30:13 < fenugrec> Steffanx nah, Canadia
2017-03-15T17:30:20 < fenugrec> and it's closer to 50cm by now
2017-03-15T17:41:40 < Steffanx> Another canadian..
2017-03-15T17:42:13 < Steffanx> Do you also live together with your pc and cats?
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2017-03-15T17:43:31 < fenugrec> hahaha wtf
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2017-03-15T17:43:57 < fenugrec> no, no cats hehe
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2017-03-15T17:45:35 < fenugrec> I don't get how people live with animals that can ruin shit in your house in the blink of an eye. Worse than having young kids around, even
2017-03-15T17:57:03 < jadew> everyone seems to be surprised about the snow in Canada
2017-03-15T17:57:29 < jadew> including the Canadians, like they just got there
2017-03-15T17:57:42 < jadew> *canadians
2017-03-15T17:58:30 < fenugrec> jadew well, it's  literally balls deep and fell in about 12h, that doesn't happen every year
2017-03-15T18:04:03 < Steffanx> Lol. You dont want to know how surprised the dutch are
2017-03-15T18:04:14 < Steffanx> And how totally hysterical we go.
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2017-03-15T18:18:11 < sync_> well Steffanx, I wouldn't trust a country that needs to pump out water after a medium rainfall for years
2017-03-15T18:21:51 < Rob235> hello
2017-03-15T18:21:57 < Rob235> i hate networking...
2017-03-15T18:25:15 < englishman> hola fenugrec 
2017-03-15T18:25:19 < englishman> powers out here
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2017-03-15T18:25:40 < englishman> i have high quality kittens, they improve the quality of the house
2017-03-15T18:26:24 < englishman> jadew, its not the snow its the wind, 140km/h reported
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2017-03-15T18:26:51 < englishman> our station logged 97km/h before electricity went out in a lovely series of arcs
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2017-03-15T18:42:23 < fenugrec> englishman haha no power ? we're fine here, not as much wind as I expected either
2017-03-15T18:43:56 < englishman> we're in the sticks
2017-03-15T18:44:07 < fenugrec> what wx station are you checking ? 
2017-03-15T18:45:00 < fenugrec> wind calm in QC  http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/qc-133_metric_e.html
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2017-03-15T18:53:52 < Steffanx> But will the waffles make it to you?!? :o
2017-03-15T18:54:58 < englishman> fenugrec: yeah its nice now. We have our own
2017-03-15T18:55:10 < englishman> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/igWfSd7T/IMG_20170315_120637.jpg
2017-03-15T18:55:41 < Steffanx> Duck eggs?
2017-03-15T18:56:05 < englishman> I don't think the mail will be passing by today
2017-03-15T18:56:26 < Steffanx> Dhl aint that fast.
2017-03-15T18:56:51 < englishman> so full of bacon
2017-03-15T18:57:02 < fenugrec> englishman you forgot the beans, tabarnak !
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2017-03-15T19:43:43 < upgrdman> why do some crystals have four pads. just for mechanical reasons? i mean i know the other two go to the can, but why
2017-03-15T19:53:33 < qyx> usually they are used to ground the can
2017-03-15T19:54:04 < jpa-> mechanical reasons are probably good enough on their own, but yeah, often they're grounded also
2017-03-15T19:57:54 < upgrdman> k
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2017-03-15T20:22:57 < Steffanx> .
2017-03-15T20:24:06 < jpa-> ,
2017-03-15T20:25:55 < Steffanx> Hello mr jpa-.
2017-03-15T20:26:38 < Steffanx> Can he foxcon yet?
2017-03-15T20:30:10 < jpa-> he can pick blueberries to his mouth
2017-03-15T20:31:16 < Steffanx> Damn, why you reproduce and not learn it to foxcon first.
2017-03-15T20:32:01 < zyp> probably because he's not chinese
2017-03-15T20:33:37 < Steffanx> Except for that it all goes well jpa-?
2017-03-15T20:33:39 < jpa-> i'm more like hoping he doesn't inherit my foxcon-like depressive work habits
2017-03-15T20:33:59 < jpa-> Steffanx: i guess; surprisingly little spare time even now when we are both home
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2017-03-15T20:34:33 < Steffanx> awh, too bad.
2017-03-15T20:34:51 < Steffanx> Should make use of grandpa/ma more.
2017-03-15T20:35:45 < jpa-> yep, but they live too far / are too busy / are too old
2017-03-15T20:36:08 < jpa-> but we have a spare closet if you want to au pair for us
2017-03-15T20:37:32 < zyp> jpa-, where in .fi do you live btw?
2017-03-15T20:37:44 < Steffanx> Im on holiday next week (and the week after that), but .. im not good with kids. 
2017-03-15T20:38:02 < zyp> I'm probably going to .fi with friends this summer, maybe I'll have time to drop by
2017-03-15T20:38:36 < jpa-> zyp: in the middle
2017-03-15T20:38:40 < jpa-> jyväskylä
2017-03-15T20:38:58 < Steffanx> So much water there.
2017-03-15T20:39:17 < zyp> hmm, let me look at a map
2017-03-15T20:39:22 < jpa-> and sure, drop by if you have a chance; can also offer a bunk if needed
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2017-03-15T20:42:02 < jpa-> (it's funny how this area is called "middle finland" even though really it's only one quarter the way up)
2017-03-15T20:42:20 < zyp> ah, looks like the place we're going is about an hour away
2017-03-15T20:43:56 < zyp> and I'll probably have a car so it's probably not a problem if I take off for a couple of hours one day
2017-03-15T20:44:35 < zyp> anyway, I'll get back to you about that later ;)
2017-03-15T20:47:42 < jpa-> ok :)
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2017-03-15T20:51:25 < Steffanx> zyp is going to babysit so jpa- can take his rest :)
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2017-03-15T21:09:56 < jpa-> zyp: so where are you going? himos? :P
2017-03-15T21:22:43 < Steffanx> Why would one go skiing in finland?
2017-03-15T21:23:12 < BrainDamage> because it's more efficient than sinking in the snow?
2017-03-15T21:23:41 < Steffanx> i love you too BrainDamage
2017-03-15T21:23:54 < jpa-> especially in summer
2017-03-15T21:25:03 < Steffanx> also in the winter.
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2017-03-15T21:27:30 < englishman> to steal national sauna secrets of course
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2017-03-15T21:55:29 < englishman> Watch as Tenaya Hurst from Arduino talks about the value of educational programs and the STM32-based Arduino™ STAR OTTO board.
2017-03-15T21:55:40 < englishman> this is the talk karlp flew all the way to germany for
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2017-03-15T22:38:33 < zyp> jpa-, wrong direction
2017-03-15T22:38:55 < zyp> going somewhere around Pieksämäki
2017-03-15T22:39:59 < zyp> one my friends' gf is from .fi and her family have a cabin there that we'll be borrowing for a week or two
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2017-03-15T22:50:03 < Laurenceb_> BURN THE LEAVES
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2017-03-15T23:18:25 < BrainDamage> something a bit more interesting than the usual shitposting  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWpqGKUG5yY&feature=youtu.be&list=PLvGO_dWo8VfcmG166wKRy5z-GlJ_OQND5
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2017-03-15T23:25:32 < ReadError> yo
2017-03-15T23:25:39 < ReadError> any freenas users?
2017-03-15T23:26:09 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-03-15T23:27:18 < ReadError> used freenas 10 yet?
2017-03-15T23:27:28 < ReadError> its been a year since i gave it a spin
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2017-03-15T23:27:46 < Steffanx> it's still beta, so .. no
2017-03-15T23:28:00 < ReadError> well just today they made a blogpost..
2017-03-15T23:28:21 < ReadError> http://www.freenas.org/blog/introducing-freenas-corral-worlds-first-open-source-hyper-converged-storage-platform/
2017-03-15T23:28:40 < zyp> Steffanx, making some progress: http://paste.jvnv.net/view/byvvu
2017-03-15T23:28:46 < Steffanx> Ah I see. Not sure if I should wait to see how well 9.10 is upgradable to 10
2017-03-15T23:28:48 < ReadError> STABLE rls apparently
2017-03-15T23:28:51 < zyp> I'm making a json-ish mapping layer for all the messages
2017-03-15T23:29:15 < Steffanx> :)
2017-03-15T23:29:43 < ReadError> Steffanx: I might do a clean install and just move the array over
2017-03-15T23:29:51 < ReadError> keeping my 9.10-stable
2017-03-15T23:29:52 < zyp> found a neat python lib to do that in a declarative way
2017-03-15T23:30:01 < zyp> so this is what I've got so far: http://paste.jvnv.net/view/w1cpp
2017-03-15T23:30:16 < Steffanx> My freenas setup is experimental enough to justify the upgrade ReadError :P
2017-03-15T23:30:40 < ReadError> it sure looks pretty
2017-03-15T23:30:50 < ReadError> but functionality was lacking last I tried
2017-03-15T23:31:26 < Steffanx> Going to give it a try.
2017-03-15T23:31:32 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IBKUmC5ns
2017-03-15T23:31:36 < ReadError> just posted today too
2017-03-15T23:33:44 < zyp> Steffanx, so I've got around 200 lines of code total so far, and I'm already at a point where I can start processing received events in a fairly human readable manner
2017-03-15T23:33:48 < ReadError> the vm and docker stuff is interesting
2017-03-15T23:35:48 < Steffanx> oh, construct can be used to parse those json-ish messages zyp? That's nice 
2017-03-15T23:36:19 < zyp> no, construct is used to turn binary messages into those
2017-03-15T23:36:29 < zyp> and back, for messages to send
2017-03-15T23:36:53 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/3xo8s <- here's the rest of the code
2017-03-15T23:37:39 < zyp> need to add some future magic to map back responses to sent commands
2017-03-15T23:37:48 < zyp> but that's coming
2017-03-15T23:37:58 < Laurenceb_> You certainly should use TempleOS. Sure, you'll only troll yourself, but it'll spare everyone else the time trolling you
2017-03-15T23:38:23 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: lol
2017-03-15T23:38:35 < ReadError> but how can I troll IRC then??
2017-03-15T23:38:41 < ReadError> no network stack ;(
2017-03-15T23:38:57 < upgrdman> does it have serial port support
2017-03-15T23:39:01 < upgrdman> troll-via-esp8266 :)
2017-03-15T23:39:06 < ReadError> oh well 
2017-03-15T23:39:11 < ReadError> terry is working on that
2017-03-15T23:39:28 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IQOdg1rk/higgghSpeed.png
2017-03-15T23:39:36 < ReadError> the future is now upgrdman 
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2017-03-15T23:40:04 < upgrdman> ReadError, nice. good thing i sold my INTC stock a few days ago
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2017-03-15T23:41:10 < Steffanx> oh, that construct looks nice zyp. 
2017-03-15T23:41:58 < Steffanx> note to self: dont say "oh" all the time
2017-03-15T23:42:20 < Steffanx>  Went for AMD upgrdman?
2017-03-15T23:42:34 < upgrdman> Steffanx, decided to risk it on Micron
2017-03-15T23:42:47 < upgrdman> we'll see how badly this ends up
2017-03-15T23:43:10 < upgrdman> its <10% of my portfolio, so not too worried
2017-03-15T23:43:49 < Steffanx> You actually actively monitor your stocks?
2017-03-15T23:43:55 < upgrdman> yes
2017-03-15T23:44:02 < ReadError> btw did yall see that thing I posted the other day?
2017-03-15T23:44:06 < ReadError> clonedeploy 
2017-03-15T23:44:11 < upgrdman> ReadError, link plz
2017-03-15T23:44:18 < Steffanx> http://clonedeploy.org/ ?
2017-03-15T23:44:29 < ReadError> http://clonedeploy.org/
2017-03-15T23:44:31 < ReadError> ya
2017-03-15T23:44:36 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah, I wrote some shit to manually interpret the binary first, but it's a real hassle compared to just declaring the binary layout
2017-03-15T23:44:46 < ReadError> can automate backups at an image level
2017-03-15T23:45:22 < upgrdman> Steffanx, do you not monitor the stocks you invest it? or not invest at all?
2017-03-15T23:45:31 < Steffanx> "CloneDeploy is NOT a backup solution and should never be used as such." ReadError
2017-03-15T23:45:35 < Steffanx> i have no stocks upgrdman.
2017-03-15T23:45:38 < upgrdman> ahh k
2017-03-15T23:45:46 < ReadError> right its for imagining 
2017-03-15T23:45:52 < ReadError> imaging 
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2017-03-15T23:46:15 < ReadError> but still ive not seen anything great in this dept really
2017-03-15T23:46:17 < karlp> laurence. wth dude. everyone here is pimping lora hard hard.
2017-03-15T23:46:17 < Steffanx> upgrade in progress ReadError :)
2017-03-15T23:46:27 < ReadError> ooo lemme know :)
2017-03-15T23:46:28 < karlp> are you wrong? is lora "the shit" ? or what?
2017-03-15T23:46:41 < Steffanx> Isn't NB-IoT THE shit?
2017-03-15T23:46:50 < karlp> that's what I reckon seems like a good bet.
2017-03-15T23:47:06 < karlp> but I've not seen _anyone_ mentioning nb-lte here.
2017-03-15T23:47:16 < karlp> plenty of free st beer though
2017-03-15T23:47:30 < Steffanx> I like it because the infrastructure is already there.. kinda. It seems that's just a software upgrade for most providers.
2017-03-15T23:47:35 < karlp> and put ##stm32 on the big board of "say what you love about stm32" stuff.
2017-03-15T23:47:59 < zyp> :)
2017-03-15T23:48:07 < karlp> not sure the girl who smiled politely and handed me a t-shirt truly understood the meaning of such a statement, but that's ok :)
2017-03-15T23:48:22 < zyp> HASHTAG HASHTAG STM32
2017-03-15T23:48:32 < karlp> hrm, should get that pic of my phone...
2017-03-15T23:49:09 < Steffanx> imgur it :)
2017-03-15T23:49:11 < karlp> didn't see any wild communists at the cypress stand though, what's upp aretoocom
2017-03-15T23:49:39 < Steffanx> You could have gave them a nice talk about that patch for openocd.
2017-03-15T23:49:44 < Steffanx> *given
2017-03-15T23:49:59 < karlp> nah. spoke to them about linux/osx for psoc creator.
2017-03-15T23:50:07 < karlp> and congratulatedthem on more docs for wifi.
2017-03-15T23:50:11 < karlp> all well received, but ....
2017-03-15T23:50:15 < BrainDamage> unless you put ##stm32@freenode I think many would think twitter
2017-03-15T23:50:23 < karlp> BrainDamage: well fuck them.
2017-03-15T23:50:39 < upgrdman> i dont think "many" even know what irc is
2017-03-15T23:50:58 < upgrdman> they'd prolly thing that was a fukked up email address
2017-03-15T23:51:12 < zyp> haha
2017-03-15T23:51:13 < Steffanx> They better not know. The might even claim #stm32 and go for a hostile take-over.
2017-03-15T23:51:32 < zyp> :)
2017-03-15T23:52:53 < karlp> theyðre allowed to have #stm32.
2017-03-15T23:52:57 < karlp> they can have it as long as they want.
2017-03-15T23:53:02 < karlp> we have the double hash.
2017-03-15T23:58:14 < karlp> ok. http://imgur.com/a/IkzAU
2017-03-15T23:58:57 < Steffanx> oh lol ReadError. Upgrading works flawlessly, but .. jails/plugins might be an issue. Oops.
2017-03-15T23:59:02 < karlp> ooh, PaulFertser ! we saw baikal too!
2017-03-15T23:59:11 < ReadError> yea seems they revamped that whole system
2017-03-15T23:59:15 < karlp> they were... no there, but they stand was. I guess they went to lunch or something?
2017-03-15T23:59:16 < ReadError> which if you ask me is a good thing
2017-03-15T23:59:24 < ReadError> the jails where the worst
2017-03-15T23:59:25 < Steffanx> Not if you want to upgrade.
2017-03-15T23:59:45 < ReadError> not touched bhyve before though..
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2017-03-16T00:00:13 < ReadError>  I can get behind docker though
2017-03-16T00:00:40 < karlp> curl hoho | sudo instaarlll_docker_best___est.sh?
2017-03-16T00:00:53 < karlp> yeah, love me some docker.
2017-03-16T00:05:01 < Steffanx> Had too much of that brownish water? :P
2017-03-16T00:06:00 < karlp> no, I had the same opinions on docker 6 hours ago too.
2017-03-16T00:06:11 < karlp> I just might not have written it so "smartly"
2017-03-16T00:06:38 < karlp> but seriously, everyone we spoke to was, "have you considered using lora?"
2017-03-16T00:06:41 < Steffanx> Im glad i can boot back into 9.10. I guess I will have some work to do to upgrade my freenas system to 10. Especially my plugins/jails..
2017-03-16T00:07:17 < Steffanx> Better not tell me again about upgdates like that ReadError. I always try stuff like that without proper research.
2017-03-16T00:09:37 < ReadError> ah, yea I was just going to clean install 10 on a diff virtual disk
2017-03-16T00:09:52 < ohsix> why is slack 40mb
2017-03-16T00:10:22 < ohsix> trying to connect to craptop at home and ethernut came unplugged or something, so irc instead
2017-03-16T00:10:51 < Steffanx> I only know lora is bad because Laurenceb says so karlp ;)
2017-03-16T00:11:02 < englishman> lol karlp about lora
2017-03-16T00:11:09 < englishman> also damn are you ever 100% nordic
2017-03-16T00:11:28 < englishman> looks like stm32 has a pretty big fanbase
2017-03-16T00:12:12 < Steffanx> 99% englishman 
2017-03-16T00:12:16 < Steffanx> No beard
2017-03-16T00:12:36 < englishman> well you have to stay professional to chat in ##stm32
2017-03-16T00:13:07 < ReadError> Steffanx: the gui looks v-pretty though 
2017-03-16T00:13:17 < Steffanx> Im not so sure.
2017-03-16T00:13:27 < ReadError> but seems it may not be as functional 
2017-03-16T00:13:34 < ReadError> like adv option wise
2017-03-16T00:13:38 < Steffanx> More clickerieclick required
2017-03-16T00:14:02 < englishman> "discovery the world"
2017-03-16T00:14:05 < ReadError> I have a pretty bastardized setup
2017-03-16T00:14:45 < ReadError> vmware esxi -> freenas w/ PCIe passthrough -> iSCSI LUN presented to Synology (xpenology) 
2017-03-16T00:14:48 < englishman> "cubemx rocks"
2017-03-16T00:16:27 < ReadError> it actually works pretty well tho
2017-03-16T00:17:03 < ReadError> syno 6.1 is v-nice on a fast guest 
2017-03-16T00:17:17 < ReadError> activebackups is pretty sweet
2017-03-16T00:19:40 < karlp> englishman: yes, we did see tenaya hurst dressed up in leds.  
2017-03-16T00:19:56 < karlp> she was... obvious...?
2017-03-16T00:21:56 < karlp> BrainDamage: neat nuke tape video!
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2017-03-16T00:26:13 < karlp> englishman: but am I nordisch? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfWyo2mqXnw
2017-03-16T00:27:32 < karlp> Steffanx: lora needs either a local metro lora gateway network you pay for access, or yo uhave to deploy your own lora gateways though.
2017-03-16T00:28:41 < BrainDamage> does anyone have a reccomendation for a bluetooth LE module?
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2017-03-16T00:29:39 < karlp> nordic's stand had a wall of ~40 modules that all use nrf52 inside.
2017-03-16T00:29:54  * karlp has ~0 BTLE experience though, so .. no idea .)
2017-03-16T00:31:30 < Steffanx> Im messing around with some cheap nrf51 modules, they seem to work. (No real tests yet)
2017-03-16T00:31:44 < Steffanx> *cheap ebay modules
2017-03-16T00:33:34 < karlp> oh, this was cute: 008004: http://imgur.com/a/D3qPH
2017-03-16T00:35:21 < BrainDamage> if you have spares, you can just snort them
2017-03-16T00:35:58 < ReadError> wholely sheit
2017-03-16T00:36:02 < ReadError> them are tiny
2017-03-16T00:37:53 < englishman> lol 008004
2017-03-16T00:40:58 < upgrdman> lol. i wonder htf you place those
2017-03-16T00:41:08 < upgrdman> like even getting a PnP nozzle to hold it
2017-03-16T00:41:39 < ReadError> maybe uses electro magnet 
2017-03-16T00:41:46 < ReadError> or something?
2017-03-16T00:41:47 < ReadError> idk
2017-03-16T00:41:50 < ReadError> static
2017-03-16T00:42:10 < BrainDamage> high mu -> shit high frequency performance
2017-03-16T00:42:24 < upgrdman> hmm and i wonder what kinda voltage theyre rating for. at that size, arcing if >30V ish?
2017-03-16T00:42:51 < BrainDamage> the feeder mechanism would also be interesting, tapewould have so much wasted space
2017-03-16T00:43:09 < karlp> heh, wurth had a bunch of parts on display attached to some foam suspended in space on some magnet or something.
2017-03-16T00:43:25 < karlp> totally pointlessllly weird way of displaying components. but ok.
2017-03-16T00:43:54 < karlp> BrainDamage: high mu == what?
2017-03-16T00:46:42 < BrainDamage> mu_r is relative magnetic permeability, in order for stuff to stick to a magnet it has to have high mu_r, the problem is also that mu_r ends up in the skin effect equation, so if your conductor has high mu_r the effective region quicly becomes a tiny ring on the border of the conductor -> shit high frequency performance
2017-03-16T00:47:11 < BrainDamage> unless those are coils and that'd be the core
2017-03-16T00:47:43 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, photo says Chip Ferrite Bead
2017-03-16T00:47:53 < upgrdman> and Chip RF Inductor (Film)
2017-03-16T00:48:02 < BrainDamage> oh, missed that
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2017-03-16T01:18:34 < ReadError> erm
2017-03-16T01:19:06 < ReadError> trick question?
2017-03-16T01:19:21 < Steffanx> Yes.
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2017-03-16T01:35:21 < Laurenceb_> microcontrollerbros
2017-03-16T01:36:37 < stm32> bandai7
2017-03-16T01:37:52 < stm32> a wild voltage appears
2017-03-16T01:38:08 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCP7fxeUOhY
2017-03-16T01:39:09 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ was right again
2017-03-16T01:39:44 < stm32> ya saw that ages ago
2017-03-16T01:40:05 < stm32> new mememememememes mr b
2017-03-16T01:40:26 < stm32> the autism has fired on this article
2017-03-16T01:41:53 < Laurenceb_> https://images.shazam.com/coverart/t55690123-b1059558127_s400.jpg
2017-03-16T01:42:18 < englishman> so which has had the higher death toll Laurenceb_ the war in Syria or the Tesla car
2017-03-16T01:42:57 < stm32> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7G8Ly3eNMw
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2017-03-16T02:24:43 < stm32> when i become an stm pro i wanna drown in asian pussy with R2bro
2017-03-16T02:27:38 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-16T02:34:32 < stm32> sup upgrade
2017-03-16T02:34:53 < upgrdman> plotting how im gonna upgrade to a house in a nice neighborhood.
2017-03-16T02:34:58 < upgrdman> sup with you?
2017-03-16T02:35:05 < stm32> just doin a few repairs
2017-03-16T02:35:17 < upgrdman> dj's jizzed on their mixers again?
2017-03-16T02:35:22 < stm32> nah beer mate
2017-03-16T02:35:35 < upgrdman> nice
2017-03-16T02:35:45 < stm32> if it was jiss i'd already have licked it up
2017-03-16T02:36:24 < upgrdman> ._.
2017-03-16T02:36:43 < stm32> :3
2017-03-16T02:38:28 < stm32> how much is a house in upgrdman land
2017-03-16T02:39:24 < upgrdman> 2 bedroom house, in a middle class area: $750k,   2 bedroom house in a shit area: $550k
2017-03-16T02:39:33 < stm32> ic
2017-03-16T02:40:04 < stm32> methinks i'll buy a factory instead at this point
2017-03-16T02:40:13 < upgrdman> maybe 700k and 500k if you get lucky
2017-03-16T02:40:17 < upgrdman> yes
2017-03-16T02:41:10 < stm32> i should really start dating richgirls.exe
2017-03-16T02:41:19 < upgrdman> me too. sugar momma plz
2017-03-16T02:41:32 < stm32> i get stuck with shop assistants
2017-03-16T02:41:48 < upgrdman> shop ass == cashier / cust serv ?
2017-03-16T02:41:55 < stm32> yepp
2017-03-16T02:42:12 < stm32> or pet shop grils
2017-03-16T02:42:14 < stm32> lel
2017-03-16T02:42:27 < upgrdman> pet the kitty
2017-03-16T02:42:49 < stm32> unfortunately a labradoodle it was
2017-03-16T02:44:39 < stm32> http://i.imgur.com/cDd6R3e.jpg
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2017-03-16T02:56:36 < kakimir> Laurenceb: http://termite.apcdn.com/full/67916.jpg
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2017-03-16T03:01:02 < kakimir> pretty typical ultralight crash
2017-03-16T03:12:21 < stm32> wtf is that
2017-03-16T03:12:26 < stm32> is there actually a news article
2017-03-16T03:15:09  * stm32 throws a diode at kakimir
2017-03-16T03:18:05 < kakimir> ouch
2017-03-16T03:18:17 < kakimir> try google stm32 
2017-03-16T03:18:28 < kakimir> I clozed dem tabs
2017-03-16T03:19:03 < kakimir> article just told they crashed and plane flipped over
2017-03-16T03:19:28 < stm32> google what mate!
2017-03-16T03:19:47 < stm32> I CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU KAKIMIRLED
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2017-03-16T03:29:32 < stm32> thanks kakimir http://polishaircraftblog.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/g-bwdf-pzl-104-wilga-35a-uk-accident.html
2017-03-16T03:30:12 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZHa7ZC6Z0 remember those times stm32 ?
2017-03-16T03:30:25 < stm32> yes
2017-03-16T03:30:53 < kakimir> I thought I would be ironic and have win98 startup sound in win10
2017-03-16T03:31:03 < stm32> i love how the fine cucks are now 'react'
2017-03-16T03:31:16 < stm32> kakimir: sure you can do that
2017-03-16T03:31:16 < kakimir> so it's a real suprise every time I reboot twise a year
2017-03-16T03:31:25 < stm32> sound is more annoying than win95 one
2017-03-16T03:31:44 < kakimir> fine cuck?
2017-03-16T03:32:08 < stm32> 'fine brothers'
2017-03-16T03:32:23 < stm32> the jews of the internet
2017-03-16T03:35:31 < kakimir> *rollseyes* what jews?
2017-03-16T03:36:14 < stm32> i'd hate to post from this site - http://mashable.com/2016/02/04/react-world-scandal-explained/#rNCUn0pqIEql
2017-03-16T03:36:26 < stm32> they went jew level 100 and decided to do the dumb
2017-03-16T03:36:41 < kakimir> you mean jew level 99
2017-03-16T03:39:38 < kakimir> wow.. win10 actually has startup sound
2017-03-16T03:40:35 < kakimir> it's so modest and short you don't even notice
2017-03-16T03:41:48 < stm32> yes
2017-03-16T03:41:53 < stm32> startup sounds...
2017-03-16T03:47:47 < stm32> THE INTERNET
2017-03-16T03:47:54 < stm32> remember that icon on the desktop
2017-03-16T03:49:57 < kakimir> wait win10 has some unheard startup sound here
2017-03-16T03:50:06 < kakimir> because it's disabled by default
2017-03-16T03:50:13 < kakimir> computers boot instantly
2017-03-16T03:51:47 < kakimir> you can launch browser even during the startup sound
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2017-03-16T04:04:04 < dongs> sup dongules
2017-03-16T04:04:15 < dongs> too lazy to irc from china, having too much fun
2017-03-16T04:04:43 < emeb_mac> dongs in china?
2017-03-16T04:04:52 < dongs> ya
2017-03-16T04:05:15 < emeb_mac> kewl. is everything cheap, crowded and full of polluted air
2017-03-16T04:05:16 < emeb_mac> ?
2017-03-16T04:05:23 < dongs> pretty much
2017-03-16T04:05:46 < dongs> was in shitzen for a bit now stuck up noth
2017-03-16T04:05:47 < dongs> north
2017-03-16T04:06:07 < emeb_mac> out in the boonies with the tigers
2017-03-16T04:07:29 < dongs> went to visit movie studio to check my junk being used and missed return flight 
2017-03-16T04:07:33 < dongs> so now stuck waiting for another one
2017-03-16T04:07:40 < emeb_mac> such fun
2017-03-16T04:08:18 < emeb_mac> Chinese movie studio. Was everybody kung-fu fighting?
2017-03-16T04:08:50 < dongs> no they were filming pacific rim 2
2017-03-16T04:08:52  * emeb_mac trots out all the stereotypes
2017-03-16T04:08:55 < dongs> while getting yelled at by director
2017-03-16T04:09:12 < emeb_mac> Oooo - kewl. Never seen #1 of that, but I've heard it's good.
2017-03-16T04:09:51 < dongs> me neither
2017-03-16T04:09:56 < dongs> they were like so uh did you watch part1
2017-03-16T04:10:06 < emeb_mac> heh - you are not worthy!
2017-03-16T04:10:17 < dongs> naaaw. was gonna mention i downloaded it but probly not something you wannamention around people making them
2017-03-16T04:10:31 < emeb_mac> no, that wouldn't go over I suspect
2017-03-16T04:11:12 < emeb_mac> I'm waiting until I find the DVD in the used racks.
2017-03-16T04:11:29 < emeb_mac> 'cause I'm so old I don't do netflix
2017-03-16T04:13:24 < kakimir> stm32: what causes that sweet itch in the area of.. the backdoor?
2017-03-16T04:14:24 < emeb_mac> need some preparation H?
2017-03-16T04:24:35 < dongs> o well
2017-03-16T04:27:09 < englishman> had to look up what a DVD is
2017-03-16T04:27:12 < englishman> only 4.7gb lul
2017-03-16T04:27:13 < englishman> and hueg
2017-03-16T04:27:37 < englishman> had to look up 'seek time' too
2017-03-16T04:36:41 < upgrdman> typical canadian male activity  http://m.cmaj.ca/content/185/18/1597.full
2017-03-16T04:42:59 < emeb_mac> englishman: you so funny
2017-03-16T04:44:39 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone tried using Arduino Ethernet (5100) shield on Nucleo64 board?
2017-03-16T04:45:14 < ColdKeyboard> I have issues where eth chip gets hot, voltage regulator has 0v on all four pins and PWRD and SCLK LEDs light up :\
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2017-03-16T05:37:31 < stm32> genuine?
2017-03-16T05:41:27 < ColdKeyboard> Genuine shield or nucleo?
2017-03-16T05:42:04 < ColdKeyboard> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01BXTC5C2 this is the shield
2017-03-16T05:43:37 < upgrdman> ColdKeyboard, not sure, but on most stm disco's the regulators are too weak to supply much power. if your sheild is drawing much power, it may have fucked the nucleo's regulators
2017-03-16T05:44:42 < ColdKeyboard> upgrdman: Nucleo is workin fine, LED is blinking and everything. (LED is same as SCK led on the shield) and they are both blinking. Only puzzle is that the regulator of the eth shield is not working and has 0v on both vin and vout
2017-03-16T05:45:04 < upgrdman> 0v at vin... 
2017-03-16T05:45:13 < upgrdman> do psu pins of shield have voltage on them
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2017-03-16T06:14:01 < ColdKeyboard> I'm waiting for seller to respond do I return the item or do they have another suggestion. After that I know will I crack open the soldering iron or just ask for another shield
2017-03-16T06:17:18 < upgrdman> well either way you should determine the root cause. the shield may not be the problem.
2017-03-16T06:21:32 < stm32> the ebay problem
2017-03-16T06:21:40 < stm32> oh amazon even worse
2017-03-16T06:26:30 < ReadError> how do u have problems with amazon?
2017-03-16T06:26:43 < ReadError> they will take any return 
2017-03-16T06:36:19 < stm32> they sell chink crap
2017-03-16T06:36:41 < stm32> and stallman says they finger little boys
2017-03-16T06:40:07 < stm32> https://stallman.org/amazon.html
2017-03-16T06:40:10 < stm32> well maybe not
2017-03-16T06:45:33 < englishman> it's implied that selling MP3s = selling pedophilia
2017-03-16T06:51:35 < stm32> haha
2017-03-16T06:51:46 < stm32> wasnt that pdf files
2017-03-16T06:52:34 < stm32> A friend once asked me to watch a video with her that she was going to display on her computer using Netflix. I declined, saying that Netflix was such a threat to freedom that I felt uncomfortable with promoting its use in this way.
2017-03-16T06:52:35 < stm32> lol
2017-03-16T06:55:27 < englishman> hey stm32 i have some rms for you
2017-03-16T06:55:28 < englishman> Hundreds of thousands of babies are born every day. While the whole phenomenon is menacing, one of them by itself is not newsworthy. Nor is it a difficult achievement — even some fish can do it. (Now, if you were a seahorse, it would be more interesting, since it would be the male that gave birth.) ...These birth announcements also spread the myth that
2017-03-16T06:55:28 < englishman> having a baby is something to be proud of, which fuels natalist pressure, which leads to pollution, extinction of wildlife, poverty, and ultimately mass starvation.
2017-03-16T06:56:14 < stm32> lol
2017-03-16T06:56:47 < stm32> lildongs is better than having a chrilden
2017-03-16T06:57:05 < englishman> well he's a very high quality kitten
2017-03-16T06:58:42 < stm32> fully
2017-03-16T06:58:52 < stm32> i need to find a duck
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2017-03-16T07:06:50 < emeb_mac> Future has STM32F722RET6 in stock for $6.15 min 2
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2017-03-16T07:18:24 < ReadError> Since Amazon requires customers to identify themselves, it knows what each one has bought. That in itself is unacceptable, especially for books. I pay for books with cash only, and do not identify myself to any bookseller that takes note of which books I bought.
2017-03-16T07:18:25 < ReadError> lol
2017-03-16T07:38:40 < stm32> lel
2017-03-16T07:38:47 < stm32> tis good
2017-03-16T07:39:00 < upgrdman> any fpga fags in here
2017-03-16T07:39:09 < upgrdman> i've been coding for FPGAs for 3 years now. never once needed to know how to calc minterm/maxterms/use k maps... wtf do they teach that shit in uni
2017-03-16T07:39:13 < stm32> i wonder what my book reseller has done with the knowledge I've been purchasing EE books
2017-03-16T07:39:34  * stm32 shudders at his memories of minter/maxterm shit
2017-03-16T07:39:42 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-03-16T07:40:14 < stm32> i have these vivid memories of the lecturer (in his heavy british accent) moooree machine... mealy machine
2017-03-16T07:40:24 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-16T07:41:06 < emeb_mac> why learn multiplication and addition when you have calculators?
2017-03-16T07:41:28 < stm32> yes
2017-03-16T07:41:56 < stm32> im sure there is the equiv for all that boolean algebra on a computer
2017-03-16T07:41:58 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, well you often need to do mental math or scribble "back of the envelope shit" on paper
2017-03-16T07:42:14 < upgrdman> but i have NEVER seen a need to calc minterms/maxterms by hand
2017-03-16T07:42:16 < stm32> back of the porno mag
2017-03-16T07:42:16 < upgrdman> like never
2017-03-16T07:42:28 < stm32> yeah done it in the exam
2017-03-16T07:42:30 < stm32> passed
2017-03-16T07:42:32 < stm32> forgot it all
2017-03-16T07:42:37 < upgrdman> same here
2017-03-16T07:43:01 < stm32> without even doing the tute questions, still i was the only 1 of 3 who got the HD
2017-03-16T07:43:07  * stm32 scratches head
2017-03-16T07:43:27 < stm32> every generation is getting dumber
2017-03-16T07:44:10 < stm32> the same lecturer recounted his days, "they just threw me a bag of components and said just fucking do it"
2017-03-16T07:44:52 < upgrdman> back in the day when boards were full of socketed DIPs and traces going one way on the top layer and 90degrees on the bottom layer
2017-03-16T07:45:05 < stm32> yeah
2017-03-16T07:45:27 < stm32> no innernets
2017-03-16T07:46:02 < emeb_mac> I guess it's not so much about teaching you stuff you'll use everyday, or ever.
2017-03-16T07:46:24 < emeb_mac> but it shows how to think about that problem and lays a foundation for other stuff that depends on it.
2017-03-16T07:46:35 < stm32> indeed
2017-03-16T07:46:42 < stm32> that's what i got out of it
2017-03-16T07:47:21 < emeb_mac> so you many never have to do it, but when you use a synthesis tool you'll have a grasp of what's going on under the hood.
2017-03-16T07:47:55 < stm32> I agree
2017-03-16T07:48:33 < upgrdman> ok ya
2017-03-16T07:48:41 < upgrdman> i guess it was worth the effort then
2017-03-16T07:48:47 < emeb_mac> about the only logic I use anymore is Demorgan's
2017-03-16T07:48:57 < stm32> which is pretty cool
2017-03-16T07:49:11 < emeb_mac> which helps when coding up if() statements in C as well as VHDL/Verilog
2017-03-16T07:50:56 < stm32> lol https://youtu.be/ssL5scfIFZ8?t=32m42s
2017-03-16T07:51:06 < stm32> so sam, do you got a second example... by chance?
2017-03-16T08:01:06 < boB_K7IQ> Synchronous rectification is way easier on the low voltage side, like that Infineon example
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2017-03-16T08:30:32 < ohsix> sup'
2017-03-16T08:30:36 < ohsix> sup prime
2017-03-16T08:31:27 < ohsix> heh automotive engineering has an article on mobileye
2017-03-16T08:31:30 < ohsix> what a coincidence
2017-03-16T08:56:01 < stm32> I like it
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2017-03-16T09:25:25 < ReadError> https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/
2017-03-16T09:29:07 < stm32> http://www.ti.com/lit/wp/slua746/slua746.pdf
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2017-03-16T09:33:35 < stm32> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHUD64alfns&list=PL04287E04D6D41367
2017-03-16T09:33:38 < stm32> hi Tectu 
2017-03-16T09:35:00 < Tectu> hi stm32
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2017-03-16T09:35:25 < stm32> how is it all going?
2017-03-16T09:35:57 < Tectu> yes
2017-03-16T09:36:54  * stm32 o.O
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2017-03-16T10:11:52 < Steffanx> Tecco.
2017-03-16T10:11:58 < Tectu> Steffan
2017-03-16T10:12:09 < Steffanx> Hi.
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2017-03-16T10:58:23 < stm32> o///
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2017-03-16T11:41:20 < ReadError> Steffanx: FNAS Corral is pretty neat
2017-03-16T11:41:34 < ReadError> the VM stuff works anyways
2017-03-16T11:47:08 < stm32> another day, another leaky capacitor
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2017-03-16T11:50:48 < stm32> https://vid.me/wDwO
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2017-03-16T12:00:12 < Steffanx> But i need my jails ReadError 
2017-03-16T12:00:25 < Steffanx> Plex, sickrage, git etc.
2017-03-16T12:00:31 < stm32> hi dad
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2017-03-16T12:49:40 < stm32> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1_L5ww3og
2017-03-16T12:52:56 < Laurenceb> man train http://gifgifmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/4-salto.gif
2017-03-16T12:53:46 < Laurenceb> is dat some F40PHposting?
2017-03-16T12:53:54 < Laurenceb> lel the comments
2017-03-16T12:54:18 < stm32> lol
2017-03-16T12:55:01 < Laurenceb> The F40PH does not discriminate between furries or bronies, it pulverizes both equally.
2017-03-16T12:55:18 < stm32> indeed
2017-03-16T12:57:39 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/9f0f895fb9/7081.jpg
2017-03-16T13:02:43 < Thorn> what the fuck https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/03/06/u-california-berkeley-delete-publicly-available-educational-content
2017-03-16T13:05:50 < Laurenceb> https://gfycat.com/DetailedInfantileDowitcher
2017-03-16T13:15:05 < Laurenceb> MODS ARE ASLEEP, EVERYONE POST PICTURES OF F40PH
2017-03-16T13:21:27  * Steffanx .
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2017-03-16T13:29:19 < stm32> lol
2017-03-16T13:39:40 < stm32> hi Steffanx 
2017-03-16T13:40:36 < stm32> Laurenceb is an oldfag
2017-03-16T13:41:17 < Steffanx> Big brother is watching you.
2017-03-16T13:43:02 < Laurenceb> crt != stm32?
2017-03-16T13:43:15 < stm32> dont be silly
2017-03-16T13:45:10 < Steffanx> Laurenceb != Laurenceb_?
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2017-03-16T13:48:21 < stm32> :3
2017-03-16T13:50:48 < Laurenceb> https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2017/03/16/keras_new_update/
2017-03-16T13:50:51 < Laurenceb> dat comment
2017-03-16T13:52:42 < stm32> so i gotta read that shit to find the comment?
2017-03-16T13:52:55 < Laurenceb> click at bottom
2017-03-16T13:53:41 < stm32> k
2017-03-16T13:54:51 < Laurenceb> Remember no one asked to be born!
2017-03-16T13:55:02 < stm32> i did
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2017-03-16T14:12:53 < Laurenceb> where is the guy in the dress?
2017-03-16T14:17:05 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgtc.com/OilbveT.jpg
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2017-03-16T14:41:17 < Steffanx> "You gotta pump it up"
2017-03-16T14:41:51 < Steffanx> You dont have stuff like plex running ReadError ?
2017-03-16T14:42:00 < ReadError> Steffanx: I dont run in that
2017-03-16T14:42:08 < ReadError> have things in esxi
2017-03-16T14:42:12 < Steffanx> Sickrage? Transmission?
2017-03-16T14:42:16 < Steffanx> No plugins?
2017-03-16T14:42:39 < Laurenceb> watching youtube can convince me I am normal
2017-03-16T14:42:40 < Steffanx> Oh its storage only? Virtualized?
2017-03-16T15:11:15 < englishman> plex is some truly awful stuff
2017-03-16T15:13:44 < ReadError> Steffanx: yea I hate the jail shit
2017-03-16T15:13:47 < ReadError> such a PITA
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2017-03-16T15:42:28 < Steffanx> What is the alternative englishman ?
2017-03-16T15:42:37 < englishman> windows file sharing
2017-03-16T15:42:55 < englishman> works on all machines and doesn't demand $ to access your own pirated movies
2017-03-16T15:43:33 < Steffanx> Meh
2017-03-16T15:43:51 < Steffanx> Plex web is free and works
2017-03-16T15:43:56 < Steffanx> Dad likes it.
2017-03-16T15:43:56 < englishman> the htpc has libreelec which just uses libreelec
2017-03-16T15:43:59 < Steffanx> ;)
2017-03-16T15:44:00 < englishman> err
2017-03-16T15:44:04 < englishman> smb
2017-03-16T15:44:08 < Steffanx> Meh.
2017-03-16T15:44:20 < englishman> i found no parts of plex that were free.
2017-03-16T15:44:29 < Steffanx> Plex itswlf
2017-03-16T15:46:51 < Steffanx> Have no real issues at all.
2017-03-16T15:47:26 < Steffanx> Search etc is nice. To lazy to change torrent filenames
2017-03-16T15:47:33 < Steffanx> Too*
2017-03-16T15:47:53 < englishman> dono, i installed that thing a couple months ago, and it wanted $$$ to do anything
2017-03-16T15:48:19 < Steffanx> That phone apps cost munny indeed
2017-03-16T15:50:29 < englishman> it's against my principles to pay for my own pirated shows
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2017-03-16T16:02:18 < Steffanx> Hah sure.
2017-03-16T16:02:57 < Steffanx> Dont leave crt 
2017-03-16T16:03:27 < Steffanx> You have to entertain me. While i wait for my cars front window to be replaced
2017-03-16T16:04:10 < zyp> how'd that go, you're ending up paying for that out of pocket?
2017-03-16T16:04:29 < Steffanx> No. Insurance.
2017-03-16T16:04:38 < zyp> ah, neat
2017-03-16T16:05:03 < Steffanx> Its cheapish anyway. ~235e or something
2017-03-16T16:05:23 < zyp> ha
2017-03-16T16:05:25 < zyp> :)
2017-03-16T16:05:25 < Steffanx> Less than i expected that is
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2017-03-16T16:06:54 < Steffanx> But im in trouble. The guy looks turkish.
2017-03-16T16:07:06 < zyp> haha
2017-03-16T16:07:11 < zyp> congrats on the election btw
2017-03-16T16:07:15 < Steffanx> Turkey and the netherlands aint no friends no more
2017-03-16T16:07:34 < Steffanx> Congratz? I voted for populism
2017-03-16T16:07:42 < Steffanx> (Not really)
2017-03-16T16:07:50 < zyp> haha
2017-03-16T16:08:16 < zyp> well, you're a fairly sane guy, so I just assumed you'd be happy with the result :p
2017-03-16T16:08:38 < zyp> not that I'm very familiar with .nl politics
2017-03-16T16:11:25 < Laurenceb> whatever populism is
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2017-03-16T16:14:46 < Steffannn> Its what the other politicians say all the time about guys like farage Laurenceb .
2017-03-16T16:15:13 < Laurenceb> apparently Putin is populist now
2017-03-16T16:15:25 < Laurenceb> all makes so much sense /s
2017-03-16T16:15:51 < Steffannn> When you are anti immigration you are racist and a populist
2017-03-16T16:16:31 < Laurenceb> well then we should just invite everyone already
2017-03-16T16:18:00 < Steffannn> Dutch politics is hard zyp. So many different parties
2017-03-16T16:18:53 < Laurenceb> Wilders is pro Israel so he wouldn't get my vote
2017-03-16T16:19:19 < Steffannn> Lol. Because jews?
2017-03-16T16:21:29 < Steffannn> He's crazy so he wouldnt get mine.
2017-03-16T16:21:34 < kakimir> jews mentioned
2017-03-16T16:21:43 < Steffannn> Hi kakimir 
2017-03-16T16:21:50 < Steffannn> Got waffles?
2017-03-16T16:21:59 < kakimir> not yet
2017-03-16T16:22:17 < Steffannn> Didnt ship them yet
2017-03-16T16:22:26 < kakimir> :|
2017-03-16T16:22:31 < Steffannn> Have to get a new stash first
2017-03-16T16:22:32 < kakimir> ship them soon
2017-03-16T16:22:36 < Laurenceb> cuz Israel are more crazy than Farage+Trump+Wilders
2017-03-16T16:22:56 < Steffannn> Will DHL do kakimir ?
2017-03-16T16:23:01 < kakimir> let's get ##stm32 to antisemites lists of some jewish communities
2017-03-16T16:23:19 < kakimir> for lulz
2017-03-16T16:23:26 < Steffannn> Or not
2017-03-16T16:23:39 < Laurenceb> lel in UK "criticizing Israel" is now officially antisemitic
2017-03-16T16:23:51 < Laurenceb> wild ride continues
2017-03-16T16:25:55 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: what crazy things does Israel do?
2017-03-16T16:27:01 < Steffannn> Bomb people. Write virusses. 
2017-03-16T16:27:43 < PaulFertser> Just like the USA for years before both with the republicans and democrats?
2017-03-16T16:27:55 < kakimir> ride armored bulldozers thru palestinian houses?
2017-03-16T16:29:12 < PaulFertser> kakimir: don't you know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza ?
2017-03-16T16:29:17 < Steffanx> Not the "but he does it too" argument please :P
2017-03-16T16:30:19 < kakimir> yes PaulFertser 
2017-03-16T16:30:23 < Steffannn> Oops now i use two clients
2017-03-16T16:30:47 < PaulFertser> kakimir: "The remaining settlements' greenhouses were looted by Palestinians after the transfer for 2 days for irrigation pipes, water pumps, plastic sheeting and glass, but the greenhouses themselves remained structurally intact, until order was restored."
2017-03-16T16:31:24 < PaulFertser> kakimir: so palestinians are destroying good property they were given on their own, no israeli bulldozers needed for that.
2017-03-16T16:31:35 < kakimir> yes well
2017-03-16T16:32:34 < Steffannn> Isrealis wrote the article :P
2017-03-16T16:32:53 < PaulFertser> Steffannn: neither PA nor Iran really wants to "play by the rules", and the UN doesn't want to do anything about it. In the situation like this it seems the harsh methods are justified.
2017-03-16T16:32:59 < kakimir> they sold them back to israelis?
2017-03-16T16:33:10 < kakimir> would make sense
2017-03-16T16:33:50 < PaulFertser> kakimir: palestinians were given plenty of land and property in 2005. Now go there and see for yourself what they managed to do with that...
2017-03-16T16:34:46 < kakimir> they lack proper goverment
2017-03-16T16:35:03 < kakimir> something like saddam
2017-03-16T16:35:12 < kakimir> runnin things
2017-03-16T16:35:24 < PaulFertser> kakimir: then go to http://www.weizmann.ac.il/vs/ and compare
2017-03-16T16:38:02 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-16T16:38:14 < kakimir> pretty nice
2017-03-16T16:38:37 < Laurenceb> Paul confirmed as zionist
2017-03-16T16:39:05 < Laurenceb> so why do bulldozers have grapplers on the back designed the smash infrastructure ?
2017-03-16T16:39:57 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: duh, what are you talking about?
2017-03-16T16:40:57 < Laurenceb> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/IDF-D9-bulldozer.jpg/423px-IDF-D9-bulldozer.jpg
2017-03-16T16:41:04 < Laurenceb> thing on the back
2017-03-16T16:41:23 < Laurenceb> http://imemc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/cat-hook1-325x230.jpg
2017-03-16T16:42:54 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: do you imply that they build special bulldozers just to destroy the (barely existant) palestinian infrastructure? Now that's crazy indeed!
2017-03-16T16:42:54 < kakimir> yes it's for pavements and base of the house
2017-03-16T16:43:23 < Laurenceb> PaulFertser: yes
2017-03-16T16:43:23 < kakimir> but that thing actually comes with bulldozer in other places too
2017-03-16T16:43:40 < Laurenceb> PaulFertser: thats _exactly_ what they do
2017-03-16T16:43:41 < kakimir> what does not is the armor plating
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2017-03-16T16:50:21 < kakimir> "hello is this catepillar sales? yes I would like to order a bulldozer with that israeli edition occupy accessory set. I'm going to ride thru my basdard neigbours house!"
2017-03-16T16:54:18 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-03-16T16:54:45 < Steffannn> Jews.
2017-03-16T17:01:56 < dongs> cant be
2017-03-16T17:05:21 < kakimir> let's kickstart dongs 
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2017-03-16T17:09:56 < kakimir> I need cheap ebay way to charge 2cell lipo with solar panel above 8.4V
2017-03-16T17:10:46 < kakimir> balancing would be done with those little balancer slash protection boards
2017-03-16T17:11:36 < kakimir> just order some MPP board?
2017-03-16T17:14:34 < kakimir> but those things should not leak battery empty while there is no input
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2017-03-16T17:19:33 < kakimir> maybe go for 3cell because buck regulator efficiency radically improves
2017-03-16T17:21:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/UaFRJgH.gifv
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2017-03-16T17:22:41 < dongs> englishman ir
2017-03-16T17:22:42 < dongs> l
2017-03-16T17:24:35 < englishman> nah that looks like united states of incompetence
2017-03-16T17:26:23 < englishman> jerusalem is the property of palestine
2017-03-16T17:27:56 < dongs> is ryzen still irrelevant?
2017-03-16T17:28:42 < englishman> still doesnt support lunix, so nobody has been able to complain about it
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2017-03-16T17:33:47 < Rob235> heh, forgot about this endless runner I started making in unity: https://youtu.be/ADDZITOxlrA
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2017-03-16T17:36:05 < Thorn> I'm not really sure why I designed a 16-channel ws2812 driver lol
2017-03-16T17:36:26 < Thorn> maybe replace some of the channels with USB and an IR remote receiver
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2017-03-16T17:49:20 < Steffanx> Why you designed a 16-channel driver Thorn?
2017-03-16T17:54:32 < dongs> autism
2017-03-16T18:14:00 < Steffanx> We all have that.
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2017-03-16T18:27:53 < Laurenceb>  "ws2812" is code for autism
2017-03-16T18:28:25 < Laurenceb> lightandsound.org.uk/
2017-03-16T18:28:35 < Laurenceb> The National Light & Sound Therapy Centre | Autism Therapy that Works
2017-03-16T18:29:00 < Laurenceb>  "Light Therapy Can Help Kids with Autism | Naturebright"
2017-03-16T18:29:07 < Laurenceb> meme confirmed
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2017-03-16T18:51:04 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oim5ZUK9J3k
2017-03-16T18:51:15 < Ecco> o/
2017-03-16T18:51:30 < Ecco> Altium is dribing me crazy
2017-03-16T18:51:59 < Ecco> If I create an assembly output (pdf printout of the PCB), it resets the position of all component names on the silkscreen
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2017-03-16T19:12:24 < Laurenceb> http://www.n-prize.com/ heh it was extended
2017-03-16T19:14:10 < englishman> dongs: are you up to date on the kfizz vs geohot drama
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2017-03-16T19:41:24 < Steffanx> lol Rob235.
2017-03-16T19:41:44 < Laurenceb>  "geohot" is code for drama
2017-03-16T19:49:16 < Laurenceb> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-elections-netherlands-geert-wilders-freedom-party-turkey-fascist-no-difference-rallies-islam-a7632571.html
2017-03-16T19:49:22 < Laurenceb> lul he's lost it
2017-03-16T19:50:55 < branjb> isn't geohot that kid who tried to build a self driving car with arduinos?
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2017-03-16T19:51:44 < Steffanx> yes
2017-03-16T19:51:56 < Steffanx> and then gave up because rules.
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2017-03-16T19:53:08 < branjb> you'd have to pay me a lot of money to get in a self driving car made in a garage by a millenial with arduinos
2017-03-16T19:53:52 < branjb> reminds me of this: http://imgur.com/a/hP43R
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2017-03-16T20:02:12 < Steffanx> Big question: Did the students fail or did the teachers fail.
2017-03-16T20:02:27 < Steffanx> *do
2017-03-16T20:10:33 < PaulFertser> branjb: come on, geohot is not arduino guy, he knows low-level hardcore stuff.
2017-03-16T20:11:20 < englishman> yeah and hes using stm32
2017-03-16T20:11:20 < PaulFertser> Also, his driving system is based on artificial deep neural networks, so it's obviously not running on "arduino".
2017-03-16T20:11:39 < englishman> claims to be
2017-03-16T20:11:44 < englishman> the vision part is closedsores
2017-03-16T20:11:46 < Rob235> geohot is the ios jailbreaker right?
2017-03-16T20:11:51 < englishman> yes
2017-03-16T20:12:19 < Rob235> I thought he went to work at facebook
2017-03-16T20:12:31 < englishman> iirc he was fired or something
2017-03-16T20:12:34 < Rob235> that was years ago that i heard that though, maybe it was rumor or just an offer
2017-03-16T20:12:42 < Rob235> heh
2017-03-16T20:12:42 < englishman> maybe it was google
2017-03-16T20:12:51 < Rob235> definitely facebook that I recall
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2017-03-16T20:17:32 < PaulFertser> branjb: if you haven't read this yet, I suggest you do so that you know what kind of software professional adults put in your fucking car, there's plenty of real technical detais regarding firmware: http://www.safetyresearch.net/Library/Bookout_v_Toyota_Barr_REDACTED.pdf
2017-03-16T20:18:12 < englishman> yeah and never use the word millennial again
2017-03-16T20:20:19 < Steffanx> you are a millennial . uh?
2017-03-16T20:21:49 < Steffanx> I wonder who here isn't one.
2017-03-16T20:22:02 < Steffanx> except for mr d and mr b.
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2017-03-16T20:33:27 < emeb> haha
2017-03-16T20:33:36 < emeb> mr ancient
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2017-03-16T20:34:18 < Steffanx> oh, mr b is here :P
2017-03-16T20:34:46  * emeb feels like genx
2017-03-16T20:34:50 < emeb> but some might argue
2017-03-16T20:35:58 < englishman> millennial is a dumb word and you are dumb
2017-03-16T20:36:18 < Steffanx> lol, rage much?
2017-03-16T20:36:39 < emeb> just because the boomers are always cane-shaking about the shiftless millenials.
2017-03-16T20:36:48 < englishman> yes, waiting for the mailman and am therefore unable to poop
2017-03-16T20:36:49  * emeb gets popcorn
2017-03-16T20:37:02 < Steffanx> DHL wont deliver any time soon.
2017-03-16T20:37:03 < emeb> 1st-world problems.
2017-03-16T20:37:12 < Steffanx> its like a 5-8 days delivery service i use.
2017-03-16T20:37:33 < emeb> that's a long time waiting to go to the WC
2017-03-16T20:38:27 < Steffanx> not my problem.
2017-03-16T20:38:54 < englishman> do you dunk waffel in coffee
2017-03-16T20:38:58 < emeb> Ordered me some F722RE last night - should be fun trying to think of something to do with them :P
2017-03-16T20:39:15  * emeb orders cool parts, cooks up projects later.
2017-03-16T20:39:59 < Steffanx> no englishman.
2017-03-16T20:40:47 < emeb> stroopwafel are best enjoyed in the prisine state
2017-03-16T20:41:05 < emeb> esp when the carmel filling gets all stale and hard. :P
2017-03-16T20:41:25 < englishman> i guess that explains why there is not a large string of dunkin' waffel chain stores
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2017-03-16T20:42:09 < emeb> lol - client's kickstarter passed $200k
2017-03-16T20:42:27 < emeb> Now he's wondering how he'll fulfill it.
2017-03-16T20:42:56 < emeb> (not really, but it does change the scope of the task a lot)
2017-03-16T20:43:00 < englishman> cool
2017-03-16T20:43:01 < kakimir> call you for EE slaving for him
2017-03-16T20:43:29 < Steffanx> You're going to link us to the ks page or ... what emeb? 
2017-03-16T20:43:39 < emeb> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/697230891/e370-quad-morphing-vco
2017-03-16T20:44:53 < Steffanx> hm
2017-03-16T20:48:42 < emeb> I have to write all the code for that. :P
2017-03-16T20:49:14 < kakimir> are you good at coding?
2017-03-16T20:49:41 < Steffanx> "OK, twist my arm and re-write the DSP audio core to support TZFM (thru-zero FM)" = i let emeb do it?
2017-03-16T20:49:41 < emeb> been doing that kind of stuff for years. Good enough.
2017-03-16T20:49:49 < kakimir> doesn't look like a beginner task at least
2017-03-16T20:49:54 < emeb> It's not.
2017-03-16T20:50:48 < kakimir> I know dude who is really into all synth stuff
2017-03-16T20:50:54 < kakimir> and also pro coder
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2017-03-16T20:51:10 < Steffanx> Your guru?
2017-03-16T20:51:15 < kakimir> no
2017-03-16T20:51:17 < Steffanx> You never visited emeb's website kakimir?
2017-03-16T20:51:26 < kakimir> link
2017-03-16T20:51:30 < emeb> There's a lot of good synth coders out there. Some do amazing stuff.
2017-03-16T20:51:31 < Steffanx> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/
2017-03-16T20:51:56 < englishman> since emeb left intel there has been zero progress with cpus since i5-2500k
2017-03-16T20:52:04 < emeb> haha
2017-03-16T20:52:10  * emeb didn't work on processors
2017-03-16T20:52:29 < kakimir> I see emeb is qualified for the jubbs
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2017-03-16T20:53:39 < kakimir> he's webpage needs some styling though
2017-03-16T20:53:40 < Steffanx> and yet AMD cannot get close. 
2017-03-16T20:53:58 < kakimir> his
2017-03-16T20:54:09 < emeb> kakimir: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
2017-03-16T20:54:29 < emeb> My web coding standard right there.
2017-03-16T20:54:46 < upgrdman> ^ this so fucking much
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2017-03-16T20:55:39 < upgrdman> it'd be kinda neat if web browsers disabled javascript for a week
2017-03-16T20:55:44 < upgrdman> would be comical
2017-03-16T20:55:58 < emeb> "broke the internet" for reals.
2017-03-16T20:56:22 < kakimir> okay
2017-03-16T20:56:45 < kakimir> styling is not a crime
2017-03-16T20:56:48 < upgrdman> i think i might still have a book on html 3.2 somewhere in my closet
2017-03-16T20:57:01 < englishman> on the topic of websites, what's a good web17.0 template to clone, like one where the scrolling is all messed up
2017-03-16T20:57:03 < kakimir> and requires no scripts or backend softwares
2017-03-16T20:57:05 < upgrdman> i toss out my html4 for dummies book tho
2017-03-16T20:57:12 < upgrdman> and my dynamic html for dummies book
2017-03-16T20:57:43 < upgrdman> the good old days where men used <tables> to position things
2017-03-16T20:57:57 < englishman> i want a pro website with lots of pictures and low content
2017-03-16T20:58:00 < englishman> to show off
2017-03-16T20:58:02 < upgrdman> dat colspan and rowspan. fond memories
2017-03-16T20:58:30 < englishman> to look like a realcompany with california funding
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2017-03-16T21:00:03 < Steffanx> Laurenceb has this generator for you.
2017-03-16T21:00:09 < Steffanx> Can't remember the URL
2017-03-16T21:00:55 < kakimir> something about that times new roman font on white background fucks my eyes
2017-03-16T21:01:09 < Steffanx> http://tiffzhang.com/startup/ it might have been
2017-03-16T21:01:27 < kakimir> without any graphical constrast added to it
2017-03-16T21:01:42 < upgrdman> maybe emeb should use Comic Sans and rainbow animated <hr>'s to make kak happy
2017-03-16T21:01:53 < Steffanx> Dont forget <marquee>
2017-03-16T21:01:56 < Steffanx> and <blink>
2017-03-16T21:01:58 < upgrdman> yes
2017-03-16T21:01:59 < emeb> heh
2017-03-16T21:02:20 -!- Kerr-A [~Kerr-A@45.53.142.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
2017-03-16T21:02:26 < Steffanx> AND a minimum amount of js is required: Mouse following clock and snow.
2017-03-16T21:02:54 < Steffanx> And animated page transistions.
2017-03-16T21:03:13 < Steffanx> FrontPage Express (tm)
2017-03-16T21:05:11 < kakimir> emeb webpage lack those gif animations from early 2000's
2017-03-16T21:06:09 < kakimir> also visitor counter
2017-03-16T21:06:10 < Steffanx> and dont forget: http://ebenezercafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/workinprogress1.jpg
2017-03-16T21:08:00 < kakimir> http://www.dpgraph.com/ 
2017-03-16T21:08:15 < kakimir> in early 2000's this page would have been the killer
2017-03-16T21:13:24 < emeb> http://www.hamsterdance.org/hamsterdance/
2017-03-16T21:15:39 < kakimir> https://gizmodo.com/5960831/23-ancient-web-sites-that-are-still-alive
2017-03-16T21:24:23 < jadew> englishman, aren't all of them like that these days?
2017-03-16T21:25:47 < jadew> there was altavista and there was also astalavista, for shady stuff
2017-03-16T21:29:26 < jadew> half the internet looks the same these days
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2017-03-16T21:44:13 < Steffanx> Good morning.
2017-03-16T21:44:27 < stm32> Gooday fokes
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2017-03-16T21:56:30 < kakimir> pumps
2017-03-16T21:56:46 < stm32> stffn
2017-03-16T21:57:34 < stm32> How are they
2017-03-16T21:58:04 < Steffanx> they,.
2017-03-16T22:02:41 < stm32> Haha
2017-03-16T22:03:41 < Steffanx> Not sure what's funny.
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2017-03-16T22:13:40 < stm32> Same
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2017-03-16T23:05:13 < englishman> nice, some $1 crap from china arrived after 122 days
2017-03-16T23:05:23 < zyp> :)
2017-03-16T23:06:45 < jadew> probably in part due to the new year thing
2017-03-16T23:07:15 < upgrdman> "we got an order for this shit. time to mine the ore and then starting making the product."
2017-03-16T23:07:40 < upgrdman> just-in-time-chinaginerring
2017-03-16T23:07:53 < jadew> or, I found it cheaper in some-country worse than china
2017-03-16T23:08:01 < jadew> - - -
2017-03-16T23:22:14 < kakimir> china is like becoming okayish
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2017-03-16T23:22:30 < upgrdman> kakimir, depends on the area
2017-03-16T23:22:33 < kakimir> people get even paid
2017-03-16T23:22:41 < kakimir> and work not around the clock
2017-03-16T23:22:43 < upgrdman> tier 1 cities are okayish. everywhere else is 3rd worldish
2017-03-16T23:23:08 < upgrdman> and many parts of tier 1 cities are 2nd world
2017-03-16T23:25:07 < Thorn> replacing 401rb with 411rc
2017-03-16T23:36:41 < jadew> super, I have a ton of shit, but none of it is a 100 k PCB pot
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2017-03-16T23:38:37 < jadew> the one component I assumed I have when I ordered the parts for this board
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2017-03-17T00:30:33 < karlp> emeb: what is through zero FM?
2017-03-17T00:31:17 < Laurenceb_> worldstar
2017-03-17T00:31:30 < emeb> karlp: in audio oscillators it's when you can modulate the frequency to such a large extent that it drops all the way to 0Hz and then "goes negative"
2017-03-17T00:32:16 < emeb> So if you're playing 440Hz and you apply +/-500Hz FM to it then the freq goes to -60Hz during part of the cycle.
2017-03-17T00:32:47 < karlp> so you get aliasing at ... some othe rfrequency? or do they want "wrap around zero" ? or something?
2017-03-17T00:33:03 < emeb> not really aliasing
2017-03-17T00:33:16 < emeb> but the oscillator starts to run backwards through its waveform
2017-03-17T00:34:06 < emeb> For some reason the synth freaks really like this idea - I've heard it and it's no big thing to me but whatever.
2017-03-17T00:36:42 < emeb> It's a fairly common feature of digital FM like in the old Yamaha DX-series synths but it's always been a bit out of reach for analogue oscillators.
2017-03-17T00:37:22  * karlp pretends he understands.
2017-03-17T00:37:29 < karlp> but htanks for trying :)
2017-03-17T00:40:39 < emeb> Anthropologically it's something that the modular synth folks have never been able to do, so they all think it's really cooool and will pay extra for it. In reality it's just another noise.
2017-03-17T00:41:44 < karlp> so... "hi fi" is the answer then?
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2017-03-17T00:44:55 < emeb> karlp: good analogy.
2017-03-17T00:45:15 < emeb> although "oooh - shiny" might serve as well.
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2017-03-17T01:15:39 < upgrdman> emeb, so what does -60Hz sound like? 60Hz but 180degrees out of phase?
2017-03-17T01:15:59 < upgrdman> s/sound/look
2017-03-17T01:16:58 < englishman> soundstage so wide, it can play negative frequencies, wow
2017-03-17T01:17:05 < englishman> definite kickstarter material
2017-03-17T01:17:09 < upgrdman> mhmm
2017-03-17T01:17:15 < englishman> and ditto on upgrdman's question
2017-03-17T01:19:11 < Laurenceb_> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/17/03/16/2025223/ray-kurzweil-on-how-well-end-up-merging-with-our-technology
2017-03-17T01:19:25 < Laurenceb_> lul Kurzweil is at it again
2017-03-17T01:20:38 < emeb> upgrdman: the oscillator runs in reverse, so not 180deg out of phase, but the waveform is played backwards.
2017-03-17T01:20:56 < emeb> so if it was a sawtooth with a rising ramp then it becomes a falling ramp, etc.
2017-03-17T01:21:10 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-03-17T01:22:41 < Laurenceb_> in 20 year we will sit in the basement of a burned down house gnawing on the rotten leg of a dog
2017-03-17T01:22:46 < Laurenceb_> lul the trolls deliver
2017-03-17T01:22:55 < emeb> if it were a symmetrical waveform (like cosine) you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
2017-03-17T01:23:14 < emeb> if it were anti-symmetrical like sine then it would be 180 out of phase.
2017-03-17T01:24:28 < emeb> Laurenceb_: sounds like someone you might know -> http://bit.ly/2nKzhI2
2017-03-17T01:25:42 < englishman> whats the waveform period, one bar?
2017-03-17T01:25:49 < englishman> one of the things you can set?
2017-03-17T01:27:32 < emeb> englishman: period of a waveform is one cycle @ the desired frequency - 1kHz = 1ms
2017-03-17T01:27:53 < emeb> so in that oscillator you can load a table that defines the shape over one cycle.
2017-03-17T01:28:10 < englishman> the table is a list of frequencies to sum?
2017-03-17T01:28:21 < emeb> No, it's amplitude vs time.
2017-03-17T01:28:33 < emeb> with 256 samples/cycle
2017-03-17T01:28:39 < englishman> ahhh
2017-03-17T01:28:53 < englishman> neat
2017-03-17T01:29:06 < emeb> the oscillator interpolates from 256 samples/cycle to whatever number of samples are needed at the sampling rate
2017-03-17T01:29:22 < emeb> sampling rate in this device is ~100kHz
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2017-03-17T03:35:14 < stm32> pump all day
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2017-03-17T05:31:10 < ReadError> whats dongulating
2017-03-17T05:31:24 < upgrdman> anyone know of something like this, but less shitty? https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sterilite-3-Drawer-Desktop-Unit/15442451
2017-03-17T05:33:03 < upgrdman> hmm wonder if i can get these in the USA   http://www.tenmafitsworld.com/Form/fits_series/fits_combi.aspx
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2017-03-17T05:36:35 < englishman> i like these http://www.stanleytools.com/en-us/products/storage/tool-boxes/organizer/bin-4/056400l
2017-03-17T05:36:39 < englishman> all those drawer shits are shitty
2017-03-17T05:36:52 < stm32> muh dick muh dickkkkk
2017-03-17T05:37:08 < stm32> all u need is a wall
2017-03-17T05:37:20 < englishman> hi
2017-03-17T05:38:05 < stm32> welcome englishman 
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2017-03-17T05:47:32 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-03-17T05:47:48 < dongs> englishman: no, whats up with geohot, i knew he was a poser/dumbfuck but whats the current drama?
2017-03-17T05:48:03 < englishman> he decided to name his car thing "autopilot"
2017-03-17T05:48:04 < englishman> err
2017-03-17T05:48:07 < englishman> "openpilot"
2017-03-17T05:48:18 < englishman> so kfizz is going after him
2017-03-17T05:49:07 < englishman> https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/issues/53
2017-03-17T05:50:10 < englishman> geohots "open"pilot has hueg binary blobs too
2017-03-17T05:51:10 < dongs> ahaha
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2017-03-17T05:55:30 < dongs> geohot is a fucking faggot anyway
2017-03-17T05:55:31 < dongs> k bbl
2017-03-17T05:55:34 < dongs> goin dating with chinagir
2017-03-17T05:58:32 < PeterM> upgrdman you want drawers and shit rite?
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2017-03-17T06:04:40 < PeterM> seriously, buy like a boatload of food storage containers, like https://www.walmart.com/ip/Glad-Designer-Series-Medium-Rectangle-Food-Storage-Containers-24-oz-8-pc/24689292 they're 75c ea or  something, and then jsut make a set of shelves for them from shit from homedepot or something
2017-03-17T06:05:09 < PeterM> 10e10*cheaper than anything else you can buy
2017-03-17T06:06:06 < upgrdman> PeterM, heh, that basically what im doing now
2017-03-17T06:06:20 < upgrdman> but i like the look of drawers, just wish i could buy clear drawers that werent total shit
2017-03-17T06:06:50 < upgrdman> like ones that were rigid and did sag like old granny titties
2017-03-17T06:06:52 < PeterM> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Entree-Storage-Containers-with-Lids-5-count/24548845?action=product_interest&action_type=title&beacon_version=1.0.2&bucket_id=irsbucketdefault&client_guid=bcd7dac5-34c8-41f3-803f-1f28eb0b1f35&config_id=2&customer_id_enc&findingMethod=p13n&guid=bcd7dac5-34c8-41f3-803f-1f28eb0b1f35&item_id=24548845&parent_anchor_item_id=21094593&parent_item_id=21094593&pla
2017-03-17T06:06:52 < PeterM> cement_id=irs-2-m2&reporter=recommendations&source=new_site&strategy=PWVUB&visitor_id=YsSid8ShVw7S2aCMqeS4zE#about-item even better
2017-03-17T06:07:12 < upgrdman> didnt*
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2017-03-17T06:08:28 < PeterM> yeah, i built my first set of shelves out of sheet metal, cut it into strips, cut notches in it, pushed it together into a grid, then welded a set of strips all around
2017-03-17T06:08:35 < PeterM> probably overkill
2017-03-17T06:09:20 < PeterM> this kinda thing http://solar1.net/images/plasma/table_grid.jpg 
2017-03-17T06:09:57 < PeterM> a few bits of thin RHS around the outside made it well ridgid
2017-03-17T06:10:27 < aandrew>  PeterM wow if I tried to do that it wouldn't be anything close to square
2017-03-17T06:10:29 < englishman> garage sales might be your best bet
2017-03-17T06:10:39 < englishman> only good drawers i have are like old man stuff
2017-03-17T06:10:47 < englishman> still full of pth resistors and the like
2017-03-17T06:11:07 < englishman> find the widow of a ham
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2017-03-17T06:14:14 < upgrdman> ya i have these http://amzn.to/2nfNtfr
2017-03-17T06:14:33 < upgrdman> but i want bigger drawers, like the walmart one i linker where the drawers were big enough for a sheet of printer paper
2017-03-17T06:15:03 < aandrew> I got rid of the multi drawers
2017-03-17T06:15:05 < aandrew> used to use them
2017-03-17T06:15:19 < aandrew> now I just use shelves and plastic boxes to store projects
2017-03-17T06:15:43 < PeterM> aandrew its pretty easy to get square if you have the right (ish) tools, soem patience and consistency (ie, doesnt matter if you cut on the line, above the line or below the line, jsut do the same for all  of the things!)
2017-03-17T06:16:00 < aandrew> I have a bunch of these: https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/5-shelf-steel-shelving-unit/A-p8533846e
2017-03-17T06:16:45 < aandrew> and a bunch of these to put on them: https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.mini-flip-tote-red-cover.1000177842.html
2017-03-17T06:17:38 < aandrew> as far as components, I have them sorted (resistors, capactors, inductors, connectors, etc.) and in separate cardboard boxes
2017-03-17T06:18:02 < aandrew> I want to eventually put the smt stuff in negative folders; I've had them for years but haven't actually gotten to it
2017-03-17T06:18:55 < aandrew> https://www.amazon.ca/Archival-Storage-Sheets-35-7B25-Negatives/dp/B00009R90P/ref=pd_sbs_421_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ERBJDM6YN2KTC8Y7XCQ4
2017-03-17T06:18:58 < aandrew> those things
2017-03-17T06:21:25 < PeterM> for most stuff i have a tub-per-project of parts in prototype qty, i have a but of a selection of general parts in the storage shelves that are seperate, then in the shed i have leftovers form production qtys
2017-03-17T06:21:52 < PeterM> that way if i want to make up a board from the prototype or osmethign i jsut grab the tub and its got all the parts for hte board
2017-03-17T06:29:00 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/0kMCipq
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2017-03-17T06:32:12 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/belatweets2u/status/841851147052830720
2017-03-17T06:32:35 < aandrew> *nods* the only reason I don't do that is because I'd have a ton of redundant parts and that would irk me
2017-03-17T06:34:41 < PeterM> i avoid that pretty well by having the "common parts" in the shelves, but also having a  bit of cut tape with them in the tub
2017-03-17T06:35:04 < PeterM> so if i need that redundant part its still easy to find on the shelf
2017-03-17T06:35:13 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-17T06:35:27 < ohsix> y u guys so unbusy
2017-03-17T06:35:54 < PeterM> the fact that there will be unused parts doesnt really bother me, i mean, they're already paid for/paid for themselves so it doesnt bother me, they arent costing me extra
2017-03-17T06:36:26 < upgrdman> so my manfrotto magic arm arrived. very nice.
2017-03-17T06:36:43 < upgrdman> will prolly use it this weekend to record some shit arduino video you youtube
2017-03-17T06:36:56 < upgrdman> s/you/for
2017-03-17T06:38:58 < ohsix> upgrdman: ikea has some good stuff
2017-03-17T06:39:17 < upgrdman> ohsix, links plz, or names
2017-03-17T06:39:18 < PeterM> yeah manfrotto make some nice stuff, ive used their monopods and tripods before
2017-03-17T06:39:24 < ohsix> like the helmer
2017-03-17T06:39:32 < ohsix> upgrdman: was still looking
2017-03-17T06:39:45 < ohsix> helmer is small af and has wheelz too
2017-03-17T06:39:50 < upgrdman> PeterM, ya my first manfrotto product was their mini desktop tripod, liked it a lot too
2017-03-17T06:39:51 < aandrew> manfrotto magic arm, is that a mastubatory tool or something?
2017-03-17T06:40:09 < upgrdman> aandrew, no
2017-03-17T06:40:34 < upgrdman> this   http://amzn.to/2m8ju9q
2017-03-17T06:40:39 < ohsix> http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/workspaces/10711/
2017-03-17T06:40:42 < upgrdman> with http://amzn.to/2m8f6rm
2017-03-17T06:40:54 < aandrew> yeah that looks like it might be painful to use in such a manner
2017-03-17T06:41:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i have those. i want drawers with clear fronts so i can see inside
2017-03-17T06:41:09 < PeterM> aandrew nah that would be the manfrotto magic hand
2017-03-17T06:41:36 < ohsix> upgrdman: they generally suck so bad
2017-03-17T06:41:53 < ohsix> if you replaced your own drawer fronts with acrylic they might be ok
2017-03-17T06:42:07 < ohsix> get something like the alexxxx that is wide and you can see from the top
2017-03-17T06:42:15 < aandrew> I'm planning on building a nice workbench this spring
2017-03-17T06:42:53 < ohsix> i got a boss ass desk last year, got it in here, then promptly stopped setting upshop, stacking thigns on it :<
2017-03-17T06:42:53 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya if i had a laser cutter i'd just make my own. acrylics fronts and g10 sides/bottom.
2017-03-17T06:43:16 < aandrew> 2x4s stood up on end so the bench is 4" "tall" with some OSB on top or something
2017-03-17T06:43:25 < aandrew> the legs will be 4 2x4s stacked
2017-03-17T06:43:26 < ohsix> upgrdman: are you going to put lights inside or anything?
2017-03-17T06:43:29 < aandrew> should be solid as hell and cheap
2017-03-17T06:43:32 < aandrew> lag bolted together
2017-03-17T06:43:46 < upgrdman> ohsix, no. 
2017-03-17T06:44:00 < englishman> 2x4s and MDF, the desk/workbench of real working ppl
2017-03-17T06:44:16 < upgrdman> ohsix, i have those shit clear drawers i linked to at walmart.com... they work fine, dont need light. they just suck because they flex too much and sag over time
2017-03-17T06:44:41 < ohsix> ya i know
2017-03-17T06:44:48 < ohsix> i've had to deal with them
2017-03-17T06:45:06 < ohsix> wider drawers with ad-hoc partitioning is pretty great
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2017-03-17T06:46:16 < ohsix> you can use tuppwerware, tuna cans, shit like that; stuff you can just shove around, or pick up and take with you on a tray
2017-03-17T06:47:01 < ohsix> same goes for the bin series shit i use from sterilite
2017-03-17T06:47:19 < ohsix> one fits in my backpack, and i usually have with me; but they all stack and you can load one up with the shit you need
2017-03-17T06:48:10 < ohsix> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sterilite-6.2-qt-Modular-Latch-Box-Teal-Sachet/49533211
2017-03-17T06:48:29 < ohsix> they're variable height, the shallower ones are more useful for my junk
2017-03-17T06:49:00 < ohsix> but if you had to stack them more than 3 or 4 high i'd not recommend it
2017-03-17T06:49:20 < ohsix> wasn't there a store that just sold storage bins
2017-03-17T06:49:33 < ohsix> oh, yea, 'the container store'
2017-03-17T06:50:51 < ohsix> https://www.containerstore.com/s/storage/storage-drawers/bisley-silver-8--10-drawer-collection-cabinets/12d?productId=11000867 heh these are like the shit the maps are stored in at the local library
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2017-03-17T06:52:19 < ohsix> do you only store one thing in those plastic drawers or something upgrdman, i can't think of how they would be more useful than just a label
2017-03-17T06:54:16 < upgrdman> ohsix, one type of thing ya
2017-03-17T06:54:18 < ohsix> https://www.containerstore.com/s/storage/stacking-storage/2-shelf-shoe-stacker/12d?productId=10008155 i'm gonna have something like this on my desk for power supply/test equipmentshits olol
2017-03-17T06:54:58 < upgrdman> like one drawer for battery charging leads, one for sandpaper, one for 0.1" headers, etc.
2017-03-17T06:55:32 < ohsix> upgrdman: all options in this area basically suck or imply you need to inventory or do more work organizing junk. sometimes if you visit thrift shops and furniture outlet places you can see something that makes it easier to settle on
2017-03-17T06:55:40 < ohsix> ic ic
2017-03-17T06:56:04 < upgrdman> this looks neat. wonder how it'd hold up tho   https://www.containerstore.com/s/storage/storage-drawers/12-drawer-storage-chest/12d?productId=10000528
2017-03-17T06:58:19 < ohsix> hm shit harborfreight doesn't have the things i got anymore, they're like this but only 12 longer containers, container-in-container. one of the inner containers could hold about a pound of pcb headers if it was stuffed
2017-03-17T07:01:21 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/lBotMcP.jpg
2017-03-17T07:01:32 < ohsix> loaded up and proceeded to never touch again
2017-03-17T07:02:06 < PeterM> upgrdman i look at that and think "i hope its got a 300mmx300mmx50mm block of steel in the base"
2017-03-17T07:02:47 < aandrew> nah
2017-03-17T07:02:47 < aandrew> http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/maximum-10-drawer-cabinet-55-in-0581366p.html#srp
2017-03-17T07:02:50 < aandrew> that's what you want
2017-03-17T07:02:56 < aandrew> workbench on top, drawers underneath, mobile
2017-03-17T07:03:31 < ohsix> if you can move your parts & tools, every surface is a work surface
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2017-03-17T07:08:46 < PeterM> i'd extend the top of the bench out like 4 inches, sure it shits over the top drawer but it makes using the thing 10x mroe comfortable
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2017-03-17T07:09:47 < PeterM> also, jesus fuck, $1299!?
2017-03-17T07:12:34 < englishman> wait til you see what snap-off wants for the same thing
2017-03-17T07:17:14 < stm32> fiddy bucks mate
2017-03-17T07:17:32 < stm32> all ya need is 2 old crt tvs and a plank of wood mate
2017-03-17T07:18:11 < stm32> $380 for the fucken sidchrome
2017-03-17T07:18:43 < stm32> https://www.blackwoodsxpress.com.au/7-drawer-heavy-duty-mobile-cabinet-50207.html
2017-03-17T07:18:48 < stm32> showed those cunts
2017-03-17T07:21:47 < stm32> PeterM: theres a ball in my beer mate
2017-03-17T07:25:45 < PeterM> stm32 noice
2017-03-17T07:26:02 < stm32> that's what i was thinking 
2017-03-17T07:26:24 < stm32> kilkenny
2017-03-17T07:26:34 < stm32> or as dong would say, kikekenny
2017-03-17T07:26:34 < PeterM> noice, got a good head?
2017-03-17T07:26:43 < stm32> yeah, thats why its there right?
2017-03-17T07:26:59 < PeterM> eyy
2017-03-17T07:27:03 < stm32> yeah mate
2017-03-17T07:27:21 < stm32> the widget!
2017-03-17T07:32:34 < stm32> How many cigarettes does my business fiend have to smoke before the job is quoted
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2017-03-17T07:38:02 < ohsix> upgrdman: there's some toolbox type things with a stack of flat bins and a strap that goes around them that are kind of ok
2017-03-17T07:38:06 < PeterM> im going 5-8
2017-03-17T07:38:31 < ohsix> i prefer that shit even though it is more work to put stuff away, cuz i can put stuff away more completely and move stuff around when i do it, keeping shit organized
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2017-03-17T07:43:09 < stm32> 50
2017-03-17T07:45:02 < PeterM> the fuck, has he done anything all day?
2017-03-17T07:45:29 < stm32> yeah i like to imagine he smokes more
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2017-03-17T08:06:01 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/kmWbdvv.gifv
2017-03-17T08:06:22 < stm32> doge
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2017-03-17T08:50:48 < ohsix> upgrdman: need the audio, surely
2017-03-17T08:51:00 < ohsix> he's singing and trained the dog to play instruments
2017-03-17T08:54:03 < ohsix> heh itch.io has a desktop client and it works on linux
2017-03-17T09:02:34 < ohsix> gigabutts
2017-03-17T09:16:36 < dongs>  http://thefix.nine.com.au/2017/03/16/16/41/sir-patrick-stewart-legal-marijuana-use
2017-03-17T09:16:39 < dongs> important news for stm32
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2017-03-17T09:56:58 < Steffanx> Stop not sleeping.
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2017-03-17T10:02:18 < zyp> don't stop sleeping
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2017-03-17T10:24:42 < dongs> so every scooter/motorbike in shitzen is electric
2017-03-17T10:24:48 < dongs> petrol ones are banned apparently
2017-03-17T10:26:35 < ReadError> we b scrubbin we be scrubbin 
2017-03-17T10:27:57 < PeterM> R2COM modafinil
2017-03-17T10:28:06 < ReadError> i got some of that
2017-03-17T10:28:45 < PeterM> i used to take it when doig harvest on the farm, 10/10
2017-03-17T10:29:04 < ReadError> lil bitta this, lil bitta that
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2017-03-17T11:19:18 < Steffanx> R2COm leaves Communist R Too
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2017-03-17T11:19:24 < Steffanx> Hi stm32 
2017-03-17T11:19:28 < Ecco> hey
2017-03-17T11:19:52 < Ecco> Is it possible to tell which EXTI line triggered a wakeup event?
2017-03-17T11:19:59 < stm32> u wot mate
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2017-03-17T11:31:03 < karlp> Ecco: you mean, withing GPIOA0 and B0? for exti0?
2017-03-17T11:31:11 < karlp> only by looking at the gpio regs
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2017-03-17T13:38:56 < englishman> isn't it multiplexed, as in only one of either A0 or B0 can be connected to exti at a time
2017-03-17T13:41:08 < stm32> hi dad
2017-03-17T13:43:51 < englishman> stop saying that, son
2017-03-17T13:45:20 < stm32> welcome
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2017-03-17T13:45:23 < stm32> to the amplifier club
2017-03-17T13:45:37 < stm32> whuts your fave transistor mate
2017-03-17T13:46:29 < Laurenceb> tranny-sis-tor
2017-03-17T13:46:40 < stm32> wut mate
2017-03-17T13:47:02 < Laurenceb> no Ed page on geohot  :-/
2017-03-17T13:47:13 < stm32> lel
2017-03-17T13:47:24 < stm32> peniz
2017-03-17T13:47:34 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Rachel_Maddow
2017-03-17T13:47:44 < stm32> who dat
2017-03-17T13:48:08 < Laurenceb> inducing many false hard-ons
2017-03-17T13:48:42 < englishman> transistors are overrated
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2017-03-17T13:50:35 < stm32> wanna get muzzfets
2017-03-17T13:50:44 < BrainDamage> transistors were a mistake, we should've stuck with relays
2017-03-17T13:50:50 < stm32> lul
2017-03-17T13:51:03 < stm32> switches get the bitches
2017-03-17T14:08:38 < PeterM> i'd probbaly go with the siz340dt - not sure if it counts because its a dual mosfet
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2017-03-17T15:07:52 < Laurenceb> attn Tectu: https://www.amazon.com/Swiss-Grease-Lube-Navy-Ounce/dp/B008BT2LA4?th=1
2017-03-17T15:09:12 < Laurenceb> Switzerland has a navy?
2017-03-17T15:12:11 < zyp> switzerland has a sea?
2017-03-17T15:12:27 < Laurenceb> it has a few lakes
2017-03-17T15:15:53 < BrainDamage> it's just misclassified, it should be under "banking tools and business transactions"
2017-03-17T15:17:03 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-03-17T15:18:17 < stm32> sup niggers
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2017-03-17T15:31:02 < englishman> navy.ch just redirects to boat.ch a strange general information site
2017-03-17T15:35:44 < stm32> hiii
2017-03-17T15:44:08 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGuy0jievs
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2017-03-17T15:47:18 < Laurenceb> https://tt7hab.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/ssdv-slow-scan-digital-video.html
2017-03-17T15:47:21 < Laurenceb> mad skillz
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2017-03-17T16:00:21 < englishman> fucking intel edison shuts down at 40C
2017-03-17T16:00:29 < stm32> LOL
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2017-03-17T16:00:38 < Laurenceb> truly epic fail
2017-03-17T16:00:38 < stm32> the weak cunt
2017-03-17T16:03:29 < stm32> fuck my ass
2017-03-17T16:03:39 < englishman> pretty much
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2017-03-17T16:13:36 < Laurenceb> stm32 will need to join the swiss navy for that
2017-03-17T16:14:19 < zyp> englishman, wat, it does?
2017-03-17T16:14:28 < englishman> mhm
2017-03-17T16:18:55 < branjb> I'm an inductor
2017-03-17T16:19:10 < englishman> wanna oscillate bby
2017-03-17T16:33:03 < aandrew> I'm missing something
2017-03-17T16:33:14 < aandrew> SSDV is just transmitting JPEG through the telemetry interface?
2017-03-17T16:33:49 < Laurenceb> aandrew: yeah actually thats quite simple, the camera does jpeg encode
2017-03-17T16:34:04 < aandrew> I know, practically every one does these days
2017-03-17T16:34:04 < Laurenceb> thought it was running on the arm
2017-03-17T16:34:13 < aandrew> I have a JPEG encoder for ARM somewhere
2017-03-17T16:34:17 < aandrew> not sure how amazeballs it is
2017-03-17T16:34:26 < aandrew> STM32F7 has JPEG encoder hardware
2017-03-17T16:34:30 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-03-17T16:34:51 < aandrew> I've also used teh CX93510 and 610 for JPEG encoding
2017-03-17T16:34:54  * Laurenceb contemplated camera module for filming rockoon launch
2017-03-17T16:34:56 < aandrew> that worked reasonably well
2017-03-17T16:34:59 < Laurenceb> too much hassle tho
2017-03-17T16:38:16 < aandrew> but serioulsy. SSDV sounds like "get a JPEG file, packetize it and send it over telemetry interface" -- that's not SSDV anything, it's fucking bog-standard digital transmission
2017-03-17T16:39:30 < zyp> what else would it be?
2017-03-17T16:40:03 < Laurenceb> well it adds reed-solomon
2017-03-17T16:40:09 < aandrew> oh
2017-03-17T16:40:14 < aandrew> I obviously scanned teh page too fast
2017-03-17T16:40:18 < aandrew> didn't see that, that's not bad
2017-03-17T16:40:24 < aandrew> I'd lift the reed-solomon code off it
2017-03-17T16:52:30  * Laurenceb has been writing automated design optimiser script for rockoon stuff
2017-03-17T16:52:50 < Laurenceb> looks like its possible to send 2grams to 200km with Klima D motors
2017-03-17T16:53:00 < Laurenceb> this is pretty crazy
2017-03-17T16:54:27 < Laurenceb> of course
2017-03-17T16:54:37 < Laurenceb> for sealposting its hard to beat
2017-03-17T16:57:09 < BrainDamage> did you manage to make one launch tought?
2017-03-17T17:02:46 < Laurenceb> need to try again with the vane thingy
2017-03-17T17:03:03 < Laurenceb> if I can get clean separation of the vanes I'll be happy
2017-03-17T17:03:22 < Laurenceb> it's probably going to hit the launch tube tho, due to flow separation at low pressure
2017-03-17T17:03:36 < Laurenceb> *high pressure - seal level
2017-03-17T17:04:03 < Laurenceb> *sea lol freudian slip
2017-03-17T17:05:04 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2017/03/16/robot-ants-wear-circuitry-as-exoskeleton/#more-248251
2017-03-17T17:05:18 < Laurenceb> I spot the horrible matlab gui
2017-03-17T17:05:33 < ReadError> i said suck the mother fucker u biting it, sheeeiiitt
2017-03-17T17:08:10 < Laurenceb> dat shakey soldering
2017-03-17T17:18:10 < PeterM> you wouldnt have to use the shitty printed 3d circuits if oyu didnt use xbox hueg parts
2017-03-17T17:18:56 < PeterM> fuck man, they can afford the 3d circuit printing, but not wlcsp micros and shit?
2017-03-17T17:20:44 < Laurenceb> they use matlab gui
2017-03-17T17:20:47 < Laurenceb> enough said
2017-03-17T17:25:03 < k\o\w> it's like you aspies watched the video with the volume off and totally missed the point eh
2017-03-17T17:27:23 < PeterM> what weas the point? all i heard was bullshit bullshit bullshit
2017-03-17T17:28:44 < k\o\w> I can see that
2017-03-17T17:29:41 < Laurenceb> k\o\w I found your family photos https://imgoat.com/uploads/9f0f895fb9/7303.PNG
2017-03-17T17:30:56 < PeterM> k\o\w all i got was "we used a process that was less practical and more expensive than nessecary"
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2017-03-17T17:32:17 < k\o\w> so you get it then?
2017-03-17T17:33:24 < PeterM> if thats teh purpose thats fuckign dumb and htey should be all fired
2017-03-17T17:34:20 < k\o\w> in many aspects of life learning an extracurricular skill is fun, profitable, and exciting
2017-03-17T17:35:38 < PeterM> in many aspects of life, burning money and wasting time gets you fired
2017-03-17T17:36:20 < k\o\w> did you miss the part where they are simulating ants and neural networks to do something very trivial
2017-03-17T17:36:33 < PeterM> nope
2017-03-17T17:36:47 < PeterM> but you can simulate with out building a shitty bunch of ants
2017-03-17T17:36:54 < k\o\w> so then how can you argue that doing things the long and hard way for the sake of learning is dumb?
2017-03-17T17:36:58 < PeterM> i mean, you're simulatiung after all
2017-03-17T17:37:55 < k\o\w> you can do a lot of things without doing a lot of other things
2017-03-17T17:38:09 < k\o\w> but we are special and like to do things in special ways to show off our uniqueness
2017-03-17T17:38:26 < PeterM> * Added *!*fff@135.0.26.107 to ignore list
2017-03-17T17:38:43 < Steffanx> Childish PeterM 
2017-03-17T17:38:53 < k\o\w> u just mad cus u didn't get to use a sweet 3d circuit printer to build ur stupid project :3
2017-03-17T17:38:55 < PeterM> yuou want a fuckin gold star?
2017-03-17T17:39:41 < Laurenceb> more liek worldstar
2017-03-17T17:40:06 < Steffanx> Remind me why you are doing rockoons Laurenceb ?
2017-03-17T17:40:21 < Laurenceb> because its never been done
2017-03-17T17:40:33 < Laurenceb> to boldly go where nobody has gone before
2017-03-17T17:40:43 < Laurenceb> also amateur and UK altitude records
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2017-03-17T17:42:44 < Steffanx> Nuff said.
2017-03-17T17:43:03 < Laurenceb> and pwning the amateur rocketry crowd
2017-03-17T17:43:15 < Laurenceb> who are mostly a bunch of perman00bs tbh
2017-03-17T17:46:26 < englishman> can you call the first launch the "pwny express 1"
2017-03-17T17:46:51 < englishman> k\o\w: are you involved with that hackaday thing
2017-03-17T17:47:04 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/cFjMNqy.jpg
2017-03-17T17:47:31 < Laurenceb>  k\o\w confirmed as Danish
2017-03-17T17:47:55 < k\o\w> no I'm just an advocate for people doing random pointless shit
2017-03-17T17:48:05 < englishman> like roccoons
2017-03-17T17:48:16 < k\o\w> exactly like rockoons
2017-03-17T17:48:27 < englishman> word up
2017-03-17T17:49:30 < Laurenceb> its not pointless
2017-03-17T17:49:37 < Laurenceb> sounding rockets are a thing
2017-03-17T17:50:58 < k\o\w> is that like a sounding rod
2017-03-17T17:51:52 < Laurenceb> you sick fuck
2017-03-17T17:52:27 < englishman> for anyone wondering about allpcb http://i.imgur.com/Kgym8aK.png
2017-03-17T17:53:08 < englishman> should ship tonite
2017-03-17T17:54:34 < Laurenceb> Quebec
2017-03-17T17:54:42 < Laurenceb> englishman confirmed as Frenchman
2017-03-17T17:54:55 < englishman> come at me redcoat
2017-03-17T17:56:09 < Laurenceb> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/106/834/7e5.png
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2017-03-17T17:56:48 < PeterM> englishman pics when they reock up
2017-03-17T17:56:54 < englishman> yee
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2017-03-17T18:00:43 < k\o\w> damn, $5 for 10 PCBs?
2017-03-17T18:00:50 < englishman> yeahman
2017-03-17T18:00:57 < englishman> and $12 framed stencils
2017-03-17T18:01:14 < k\o\w> I was putting off a order for this
2017-03-17T18:01:40 < englishman> i could even add new stuff to an existing order to save shipping
2017-03-17T18:01:56 < k\o\w> is that allpcb?
2017-03-17T18:02:15 < englishman> yes
2017-03-17T18:04:25 < Laurenceb> https://sites.wff.nasa.gov/code810/ <- sounding rockets are pretty useful
2017-03-17T18:04:36 < Thorn> HC-SR04 ultrasound modules are triggered by pulses down to 1.7V (Vdd=5V)
2017-03-17T18:05:00 < Laurenceb> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/h5Mojfebwn8/maxresdefault.jpg
2017-03-17T18:05:00 < Thorn> why do they rub off markings from 2 of the 3 SOICs on them though
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2017-03-17T18:12:00 < englishman> zyp: yeah its just in a small enclosure with some other boring ICs and it's shutting down due to overheat
2017-03-17T18:12:11 < englishman> datasheet srsly says 40C
2017-03-17T18:12:44 < englishman> on what planet is this shit acceptable
2017-03-17T18:12:56 < englishman> clearly it was designed for use in air conditioned classrooms and not for real life
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2017-03-17T18:18:23 < k\o\w> $5 PCB has $14 shipping tho
2017-03-17T18:21:46 < k\o\w> elecrow is still cheaper
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2017-03-17T18:50:21 < Steffanx> Laurenceb calling someone a sick fuck.. The comedy.
2017-03-17T18:50:33 < Steffanx> Comedian*
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2017-03-17T19:10:41 < englishman> dhl shipping tho
2017-03-17T19:10:54 < englishman> so you actually get it while your design is still relevant
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2017-03-17T19:12:51 < englishman> man this paste is a game changerTM
2017-03-17T19:12:53 < Laurenceb> thats whats cool about rockoons
2017-03-17T19:13:00 < englishman> i no longer feel like im wasting my fucking time
2017-03-17T19:13:05 < Laurenceb> 0 chance of anyone else building one
2017-03-17T19:16:18 < k\o\w> englishman, I paid $16 shipped for 10 PCBs via DHL from elecrow
2017-03-17T19:16:45 < ReadError> what paste?
2017-03-17T19:17:09 < englishman> gc 10
2017-03-17T19:17:12 < ReadError> I've still not used anything that compares to zeph but $$$$
2017-03-17T19:17:22 < englishman> this shit smells great
2017-03-17T19:17:28 < englishman> like metal wildflowers
2017-03-17T19:17:54 < ReadError> zeph smells like some kinda baked good to me
2017-03-17T19:18:05 < englishman> i cant afford zeph
2017-03-17T19:18:13 < englishman> like after their racism fees and shit its like $200 an ounce
2017-03-17T19:18:26 < englishman> gc 10 you leave at roomtemp too
2017-03-17T19:18:37 < englishman> so its ready to go at 6am like an all hours call girl
2017-03-17T19:34:52 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/kvMdcJg
2017-03-17T19:40:40 < dongs>  http://nypost.com/2017/03/14/transgender-dad-and-daughter-transition-together/
2017-03-17T19:43:44 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2XDIAZHY9k this was kinda cool
2017-03-17T19:45:04 < dongs> i wonder what kinda galvos are needed to do the full color projection shit
2017-03-17T19:46:10 < dongs> unless that shit is literally just projection and not laser tracking
2017-03-17T19:47:05 < sync_> that looks like projection
2017-03-17T19:47:30 < dongs> at :47 or so is laser stuff tho
2017-03-17T19:47:44 < sync_> ah yeah
2017-03-17T19:51:47 < dongs> the fire flashes actually had a heatwave kinda
2017-03-17T19:52:45 < zyp> dongs, apparently 7 of the 36 LL boards had some bad solder joints
2017-03-17T19:52:51 < dongs> :|
2017-03-17T19:52:59 < zyp> according to the description it sounded like they hadn't reflowed properly
2017-03-17T19:53:02 < zyp> bad paste maybe?
2017-03-17T19:53:19 < dongs> nah, its same shit I've been using
2017-03-17T19:53:21 < dongs> hm
2017-03-17T19:53:28 < dongs> just hotairing and it worked?
2017-03-17T19:53:48 < zyp> well, they managed to fix four of them at least
2017-03-17T19:54:03 < dongs> ok. hm I thought i looked over them pretty carefully
2017-03-17T19:54:04 < zyp> idk, I haven't looked myself
2017-03-17T19:56:22 < dongs> maybe blame winter, but then again, i assemble other shit (although 2L) around same time and no isuses
2017-03-17T19:56:57 < upgrdman> dongs, neat show
2017-03-17T19:57:01 < upgrdman> you back in jap land now?
2017-03-17T19:57:19 < dongs> tomorrow flying back
2017-03-17T19:57:33 < dongs> upgrdman: i uploaded that 400 meg jewtube in 1.5 hours from hotel wifi + vpn
2017-03-17T19:57:41 < zyp> apparently customer wanted almost all the boards so they didn't have enough until they fixed some
2017-03-17T19:58:05 < dongs> right. well, if they cant fix the last few you can try or worst case, i'll do it
2017-03-17T19:58:21 < upgrdman> dongs, so that works out to 592kBps ... lol
2017-03-17T19:58:23 < dongs> if its cold reflow just hotairing the bits should do it
2017-03-17T19:58:34 < dongs> upgrdman: thats what about my vpn bandwidth meter said while i was sending it
2017-03-17T19:58:48 < dongs> 600-ish around
2017-03-17T19:58:49 < zyp> prolly not a big deal, I told them that they had to expect some defects when they're not specifying testing procedures and shit, and statistics doesn't really apply when it's 36 boards total
2017-03-17T19:58:52 < upgrdman> dongs, ya so even SLOWER than my dingleberry pi vpn
2017-03-17T19:59:15 < dongs> for upload? shrug. i was getting around 6meg/sec downstream tho
2017-03-17T19:59:21 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-17T19:59:30 < englishman> hmm why is "DfuSe Demo" running in task manager and using 30% cpu
2017-03-17T19:59:49 < dongs> zyp: ok, if cant fix i can do it
2017-03-17T19:59:56 < upgrdman> my biggest problem was packet losses after a few days of being in cn. guessing their machine learning algos were punishing me
2017-03-17T20:00:05 < zyp> eh, I'd rather just sell them more boards :p
2017-03-17T20:00:08 < dongs> englishman: its the new cliftonflight , it auto-starts dfuse
2017-03-17T20:00:09 < zyp> oh, heh
2017-03-17T20:00:11 < dongs> zyp: heh 
2017-03-17T20:00:15 < upgrdman> there were times where *just* irc didnt even work, ping timeouts etc
2017-03-17T20:00:18 < zyp> they told me this fun story about the customer too
2017-03-17T20:00:27 < zyp> you know the first boards with f407?
2017-03-17T20:00:33 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-17T20:00:39 < englishman> combined with irccloud using 1gb memory and 60% cpu im not doing great
2017-03-17T20:00:43 < zyp> apparently the customer switched the chip with f427 on some of those
2017-03-17T20:00:49 < dongs> themselvves? nice
2017-03-17T20:01:09 < zyp> I don't get how it's worth it, the stm32 itself is a huge portion of the total cost
2017-03-17T20:01:25 < zyp> but apparently they had the equipment and wanted to do it
2017-03-17T20:01:31 < dongs> I've done 100 qfp stm32 swap before, its not TOO bad if theres nothing plastic nearby
2017-03-17T20:01:45 < zyp> they also fucked up and put in the f427 the wrong way in
2017-03-17T20:01:48 < zyp> rotated 180 degrees
2017-03-17T20:01:49 < englishman> lol
2017-03-17T20:02:07 < englishman> that plastic flashing gets me everytime
2017-03-17T20:02:07 < dongs> ST should really get on wiht the program
2017-03-17T20:02:13 < zyp> and then when they figured out that they reworked them again and put them the right way in
2017-03-17T20:02:17 < dongs> the chip should be usable in any orientation
2017-03-17T20:02:30 < dongs> auto-detecting its rotation
2017-03-17T20:02:40 < zyp> haha
2017-03-17T20:02:56 < zyp> so anyway, I think that was 7 boards, 2 of them ended up smoking after the final rework
2017-03-17T20:03:05 < dongs> no surprise
2017-03-17T20:03:17 < zyp> «yeah, that's the two boards that were powered up the wrong way in» I told them
2017-03-17T20:03:30 < zyp> «stm32 has this tendency to fuse short when powered backwards»
2017-03-17T20:03:35 < dongs> right
2017-03-17T20:04:28 < dongs> mkay
2017-03-17T20:04:33 < dongs> time to sleep and wake up in 5 hours and catch flight
2017-03-17T20:05:40 < zyp> have fun
2017-03-17T20:08:59 < PaulFertser> zyp: btw, so far two days of testing on HSI and not a single hang, your advice was really nice, thanks a lot!
2017-03-17T20:09:53 < PaulFertser> There's nothing obviously wrong with the parts or the layout though, so more investigation pending.
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2017-03-17T20:12:25 < PaulFertser> I know people usually glitch either Vcc or XTAL1, and the symptoms were suggesting at something similar happening, so excluding one of the possibilities in an easy way is nice.
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2017-03-17T20:43:53 < Steffanx> Get your client fixed boB_K7IQ
2017-03-17T20:44:06 < Steffanx> And/or connection
2017-03-17T20:45:40 < Steffanx> Any device you own zyp? https://www.sec-consult.com/fxdata/seccons/prod/temedia/advisories_txt/20170316-0_Ubiquiti_Networks_authenticated_command_injection_v10.txt
2017-03-17T20:53:43 < zyp> no, that looks mainly like airmax devices
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2017-03-17T21:55:01 < Laurenceb> http://static.thefrisky.com/uploads/2015/10/ratunderwearsdfsdfsdf1.jpg
2017-03-17T22:05:24 < englishman> jpa-: around?
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2017-03-17T22:12:11 < Rob235> hmm, attempting to move my encrypted lvm partition with ubuntu to the 'right' on the disk with the dd command, wonder if this will actually work
2017-03-17T22:12:55 < Rob235> Im trying to increase my boot partition from a measly 512MB to 2GB so that I stop getting stupid errors trying to install updates
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2017-03-17T22:35:49 < kakimir> somebody had diy VNA project here?
2017-03-17T22:35:51 < kakimir> like yesterday some photos or something
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2017-03-17T22:40:05 < PaulFertser> Rob235: better use parted/gparted
2017-03-17T22:40:13 < Rob235> can't
2017-03-17T22:40:26 < Rob235> I tried, it won't work with what I'm doing
2017-03-17T22:40:46 < Rob235> Its a vm, I backed it up, so not a big deal if it fails
2017-03-17T22:40:50 < PaulFertser> dd works from the first block but to move to the right you'll need the last block copied first.
2017-03-17T22:41:13 < Rob235> oh its that dumb?
2017-03-17T22:41:36 < Rob235> I got the idea from someone that did it though, moving to the right, well i just noticed it finished so time to test it
2017-03-17T22:41:55 < Rob235> http://matthiaslee.com/?q=node/33
2017-03-17T22:42:30 < Rob235> the thing that concerned me is he modifies just one number in the partition.dump file, not all the numbers that will be affected afterwards
2017-03-17T22:45:08 < Rob235> gparted now looks how I wanted, lets reboot and see what happens
2017-03-17T22:47:55 < Rob235> heh hmm, loads to some busybox initramfs thing
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2017-03-17T23:07:07 < karlp> PaulFertser: / zyp: what glitching wewre you doing? sounds interesting!
2017-03-17T23:16:54 < englishman> any protobuf experts in here
2017-03-17T23:17:09 < englishman> or noobs even
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2017-03-17T23:23:03 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhPvJOnHotE music video times
2017-03-17T23:23:20 < kakimir> and found the VNA project http://hforsten.com/improved-homemade-vna.html
2017-03-17T23:24:02 < englishman> some more german disco for you kaks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvS351QKFV4
2017-03-17T23:25:02 < kakimir> that looks like eurovision
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2017-03-17T23:34:42 < upgrdman> anyone know of a way to lint for "this function should only be called by foo()" etc. like a special comment that tells a lint tool that.
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2017-03-17T23:53:07 < aandrew> upgrdman: interesting question. I don't have an answer though
2017-03-17T23:56:27  * KreAture will drive his IoT stuff with this: http://kreature.org/projects/solar/c60_cut/c60_cut_and_laminate_9.jpg
2017-03-17T23:56:30 < KreAture> :)
2017-03-17T23:57:44 < kakimir> monocrystalline
2017-03-17T23:57:57 < kakimir> how many volts?
2017-03-17T23:59:00 < KreAture> 1.7v approx
2017-03-17T23:59:03 < KreAture> at ideal load
2017-03-17T23:59:11 < KreAture> I cut a cell in 3
2017-03-17T23:59:23 < KreAture> that's the max you can cut it without not having much to solder on
2017-03-17T23:59:28 < KreAture> http://kreature.org/projects/solar/c60_cut/c60_cut_and_laminate_10.jpg
2017-03-17T23:59:29 < KreAture> backside
2017-03-17T23:59:45 < KreAture> I use a holepunch to make holes in back laminate before laminating
--- Day changed Sat Mar 18 2017
2017-03-18T00:00:43 < KreAture> It delivers over 3w
2017-03-18T00:00:51 < KreAture> and it is semi flexible
2017-03-18T00:01:10 < KreAture> and if cells crack they still work as they are heavy copper clad ones, not that shit with silver paste
2017-03-18T00:01:23 < KreAture> back contact type ofcource for better surface area utilization
2017-03-18T00:01:48 < kakimir> you cut it yourself?
2017-03-18T00:02:07 < KreAture> if you zoom in on the pic of the back you can see the copper wire ripped up at the edges where cell didn't crack where I wanted
2017-03-18T00:02:10 < KreAture> yeh
2017-03-18T00:02:18 < KreAture> http://kreature.org/projects/solar/c60_cut/c60_cut_and_laminate_2.jpg
2017-03-18T00:02:20 < KreAture> http://kreature.org/projects/solar/c60_cut/c60_cut_and_laminate_3.jpg
2017-03-18T00:02:27 < KreAture> marked, and scored
2017-03-18T00:02:30 < kakimir> you failed it?
2017-03-18T00:02:38 < KreAture> http://kreature.org/projects/solar/c60_cut/c60_cut_and_laminate_5.jpg
2017-03-18T00:02:40 < KreAture> snap
2017-03-18T00:02:53 < KreAture> These cells are really robust
2017-03-18T00:03:00 < kakimir> interesting
2017-03-18T00:03:02 < KreAture> You can smash em and they still work
2017-03-18T00:03:08 < KreAture> a bit lower eff though
2017-03-18T00:03:13 < KreAture> These should be fine
2017-03-18T00:03:36 < kakimir> I could get more useful voltages by creating a lot of scrap
2017-03-18T00:03:42 < kakimir> of them cells
2017-03-18T00:03:51 < KreAture> I measured em using a 400w halogen to test and they output equal values
2017-03-18T00:04:02 < KreAture> kakimir: not really
2017-03-18T00:04:13 < KreAture> you see the way the thin strips collect ?
2017-03-18T00:04:41 < KreAture> Technically you could cut the thick copper pads in two
2017-03-18T00:04:45 < KreAture> but it's hard to do
2017-03-18T00:04:58 < KreAture> I have a hard time cutting the tiny copper at the ends where they cross
2017-03-18T00:04:59 < KreAture> hehe
2017-03-18T00:05:16 < kakimir> waterjet
2017-03-18T00:05:26 < KreAture> maybe
2017-03-18T00:05:35 < KreAture> but you cannot put water anywhere near em
2017-03-18T00:05:43 < KreAture> they are damaged by water
2017-03-18T00:05:47 < KreAture> even moisture in air
2017-03-18T00:05:52 < KreAture> which is why I laminate em
2017-03-18T00:05:56 < kakimir> craptastic
2017-03-18T00:06:09 < KreAture> One may be able to use lasercutter
2017-03-18T00:06:10 < kakimir> do you bake em and then laminate em?
2017-03-18T00:06:21 < KreAture> but best is just to buy em precut as they are then cut before metallizing
2017-03-18T00:07:34 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-18T00:08:33 < KreAture> anyways, I love these cells as they handle real world better than those flimsy normal ones
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2017-03-18T00:12:28 < Thorn> any cheap and common 5V single supply op amps like tlc272?
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2017-03-18T00:28:22 < kakimir> whops Thorn I know answer to that
2017-03-18T00:28:25 < kakimir> I didn
2017-03-18T00:28:34 < kakimir> 't focus to irc
2017-03-18T00:28:54 < kakimir> you have package preferrence?
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2017-03-18T00:29:55 < Thorn> SO8 is good, something smaller like MSSOP is even better
2017-03-18T00:32:32 < kakimir> oh it's precision amplifier.. let me see what I have picked for my projects
2017-03-18T00:33:22 < kakimir> beautyful silicon that chip has
2017-03-18T00:33:35 < kakimir> such symmetry
2017-03-18T00:34:46 < Thorn> up to 12mV offset is hardly "precision"
2017-03-18T00:36:21 < kakimir> that is shitty
2017-03-18T00:36:38 < kakimir> what are you looking for? equivalent?
2017-03-18T00:38:16 < Thorn> something that would have output range 0...3.3V with 5V power and input range starting from 0
2017-03-18T00:38:23 < kakimir> check MCP601/1R/2/3/4
2017-03-18T00:38:34 < kakimir> it's the cheap thing I use in everything
2017-03-18T00:41:56 < kakimir> rail to rail
2017-03-18T00:42:08 < kakimir> 2mV or something offset
2017-03-18T00:42:15 < kakimir> worst case
2017-03-18T00:43:51 < kakimir> Thorn: why are you looking at 1987 year chip anyways?
2017-03-18T00:43:55 < Thorn> how does this work https://www.aliexpress.com/item/20PCS-TLC272CDR-TLC272CD-TLC272C-TLC272-TLC272-SOP8/32427957612.html
2017-03-18T00:44:25 < Thorn> $3 with free shipping with tracking
2017-03-18T00:45:34 < kakimir> take mcp602 instead?
2017-03-18T00:46:26 < Thorn> yeah it looks quite a bit better, thanks
2017-03-18T00:47:02 < Thorn> I though I had it already but for some reason I have MCP6031 and MCP6052 instead
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2017-03-18T00:59:45 < Laurenceb_> who remembers this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3n3c_8Nn2Y 
2017-03-18T00:59:47 < Laurenceb_>  :P
2017-03-18T01:03:53 < kakimir> hello
2017-03-18T01:04:40 < kakimir> such meh demo
2017-03-18T01:05:14 < kakimir> nice technobeat though
2017-03-18T01:06:40  * kakimir *nods_to_beat*
2017-03-18T01:09:49 < Simon--> wow, it actually works in wine
2017-03-18T01:09:50 < Simon--> ;)
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2017-03-18T01:11:02 < Laurenceb_> nice, I'll have to try that
2017-03-18T01:12:37 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvX6Y2bW4Z0 
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2017-03-18T01:12:56 < kakimir> I used to collect demos but meh I was too young
2017-03-18T01:13:05 < kakimir> I had missed it already
2017-03-18T01:15:25 < Laurenceb_> 1991 O_o
2017-03-18T01:16:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohupzBILUk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGDtViPngi8 Titan has been great latelly
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2017-03-18T01:21:40 < kakimir> last one has so tight beat o/ 
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2017-03-18T01:46:58 < KreAture> Hurray my little panel appears ok :)   Got almost 2 amps and 1.7v out with a halogen lamp test
2017-03-18T01:47:04 < KreAture> not properly sun calibrated though
2017-03-18T01:49:54 < KreAture> wonder how low power I can get the stm32f030 if I just set up the pwm and use the analog watchdog to wake it for changes
2017-03-18T01:49:59 < kakimir> nice
2017-03-18T01:50:21 < kakimir> KreAture: do you live in sunny place?
2017-03-18T01:50:29 < KreAture> not super
2017-03-18T01:50:44 < KreAture> but it's cool and with high influx some parts of year so it is definately not super bad
2017-03-18T01:55:18 < Laurenceb_> holy shit Syria
2017-03-18T01:55:26 < Laurenceb_> Isreal v Russia war soon
2017-03-18T01:55:35  * Laurenceb_ gets his fallout shelter ready
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2017-03-18T02:01:11 < Laurenceb_> hopefully Russia will just turn it to a glassy plane
2017-03-18T02:01:15 < Laurenceb_> one can but hope
2017-03-18T02:03:31 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/9f0f895fb9/7337.jpg
2017-03-18T02:11:45 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: how did you like overdrive?
2017-03-18T02:14:29 < Laurenceb_> what was overdrive?
2017-03-18T02:24:18 < upgrdman> anyone used this?  https://www.visualmodelq.com/modelq.html
2017-03-18T02:25:55 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: titan - overdrive
2017-03-18T02:29:43 < KreAture> hmm
2017-03-18T02:30:08 < KreAture> using the rtc in the stm32 only adds 300nA to the power drain if used correctly
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2017-03-18T02:55:34 < Laurenceb_> so I was watching Iron Sky
2017-03-18T02:55:41 < Laurenceb_> maybe Emdrivers are nazis?
2017-03-18T03:01:32 < kakimir> you finally got it
2017-03-18T03:01:44 < kakimir> nazis try to make you to solve their puzzle
2017-03-18T03:02:07 < kakimir> to power flying discs to bomb englands
2017-03-18T03:04:59 < Laurenceb_> yup
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2017-03-18T03:09:30 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/9f0f895fb9/7371.jpg
2017-03-18T03:09:55 < kakimir> they know only Laurenceb_ can fix it and so they fill their forum with all the confusing mess Laurenceb_ likes such as mad home inventors and whole thing run by female troll
2017-03-18T03:10:26 < Laurenceb_> emdrive is already run by a female troll
2017-03-18T03:10:53 < Laurenceb_> http://ssi.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ep_seashells_gary.jpg
2017-03-18T03:15:23 < Laurenceb_> or maybe you mean Ginnie
2017-03-18T03:15:37 < Laurenceb_> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ginnie&defid=7269070
2017-03-18T03:16:09 < Laurenceb_> accurate ^  http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/images/5123_8934.png
2017-03-18T03:16:58 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41732.msg1649274#msg1649274
2017-03-18T03:17:01 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard
2017-03-18T03:17:23 < Laurenceb_> so for 2 watts, Shaywer predicts 722 microNewtons for this, instead of the 13.6 microNewtons measured by Monomorphic  ?  That is 53 times greater thrust predicted by Shawyer
2017-03-18T03:17:34 < Laurenceb_> I wonder what the explanation could be...
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2017-03-18T03:20:21 < kakimir> what is that gun girl?
2017-03-18T03:22:19 < Laurenceb_> 8chan admin/mod
2017-03-18T03:22:27 < Laurenceb_>  "girl"
2017-03-18T03:22:31 < Laurenceb_> irl sex is unclear
2017-03-18T03:24:43 < kakimir> you need to sex with her
2017-03-18T03:26:56 < Laurenceb_> ewww
2017-03-18T03:27:44 < kakimir> you have fifty-sixty chance she is she
2017-03-18T03:28:49 < kakimir> if she is he then you still secs
2017-03-18T03:28:56 < Laurenceb_> pls stop
2017-03-18T03:29:00 < Laurenceb_> I'm going to vom
2017-03-18T03:30:13 < kakimir> where to stalk her Laurenceb_ ?
2017-03-18T03:30:58 < Laurenceb_> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/virginia-hale-63708651
2017-03-18T03:32:48 < kakimir> when I follow ircs and internets I have almost developed a phobia
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2017-03-18T03:33:39 < kakimir> that anyone can be tranny
2017-03-18T03:33:45 < Laurenceb_> People Also Viewed
2017-03-18T03:33:54 < Laurenceb_> Raheem Kassam
2017-03-18T03:33:56 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-03-18T03:34:34 < Laurenceb_> I see no Steven Spicer tho
2017-03-18T03:34:34 < kakimir> even myself without knowing
2017-03-18T03:34:50 < kakimir> because memory loss
2017-03-18T03:35:26 < Laurenceb_> luckily I don't have any history
2017-03-18T03:35:45 < Laurenceb_> anti terror police managed to find a blog written about me once, that was very odd
2017-03-18T03:36:03 < Laurenceb_> they asked me if I wanted it to "be removed"
2017-03-18T03:36:51 < Laurenceb_> never managed to find the blog myself, presumably they sent the guy to gitmo or something lol
2017-03-18T03:38:37 < Laurenceb_> I don't know how many people they must have trawling internets/irc for weird threats from nutcases
2017-03-18T03:39:07 < Laurenceb_> guess they were watching the guy and intercepted his threats against me
2017-03-18T03:40:11  * Laurenceb_ fully expects to get a phone call about dongs
2017-03-18T03:40:29 < kakimir> :D
2017-03-18T03:40:58 < kakimir> you have some bigbrother system fully running there?
2017-03-18T03:41:01 < Laurenceb_>  "we see this dongs guy has been making threats against you online, we've been looking to put him away for a long time, would you like us to help you deal with this annoyance??"
2017-03-18T03:41:20 < Laurenceb_> thats basically what happened, only s/dongs/some other nutcase
2017-03-18T03:41:37 < Laurenceb_> yeah they must have had some full on big brother to know as much as they did
2017-03-18T03:45:29 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIuf1V1FhpY so this is not just a joke?
2017-03-18T03:46:43 < Laurenceb_> so basically google offensive flagging system then
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2017-03-18T03:48:16 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=41732.0;attach=1410383;image
2017-03-18T03:48:23 < Laurenceb_> this gunna be good
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2017-03-18T04:55:46 < ohsix> got another aliexpress thing fast
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2017-03-18T04:56:37 < ohsix> ah 15 days isn't as impressive
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2017-03-18T04:59:27 < ohsix> got me sum sensors for a project someone else has been dithering on https://www.aliexpress.com/item/20PCS-12mm-Piezo-Elements-Sounder-Sensor-Trigger-Drum-Disc-wire-copper/32578849592.html
2017-03-18T04:59:54 < ohsix> dude thought he'd need timers with ns resolution to do the thing, i did the numbers and you can do it with a 40khz sampling rate (all the modes on the plate)
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2017-03-18T05:17:24 < ohsix> bah
2017-03-18T05:17:37 < ohsix> i called the person that made them here to see if they were still doing biz, they didn't return my call
2017-03-18T05:18:03 < emeb_mac> I just buy them at the local asian grocery
2017-03-18T05:24:09 < emeb_mac> why asian? I guess that the hollanders colonized some of those countries and now the immigrants from there like the dutch stuff.
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2017-03-18T05:25:39 < Jak_o_Sh1dows> So, the RTC. THe interrupt. Can you configure the rate of that?
2017-03-18T05:28:55 < ohsix> if it's anything like the asian section in other stores, they sell what people buy, maybe someone asked
2017-03-18T05:29:01 < ohsix> unowat
2017-03-18T05:29:09 < ohsix> i've got time to go around town looking for some, bbl
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2017-03-18T06:17:30 < Jak_o_Sh1dows> Ah. Yes. The prescaler is how you do it apparently
2017-03-18T06:25:56 < englishman> wow trump is going to defund USCSB
2017-03-18T06:26:03 < englishman> no more disaster simulation videos
2017-03-18T06:36:29 < PeterM> thorn if you want only 5v supply iu can duggesty SGM8552
2017-03-18T06:37:34 < emeb_mac> should defund NASA too.
2017-03-18T06:37:38 < emeb_mac> they're wasting money
2017-03-18T06:55:15 < upgrdman> sup
2017-03-18T07:04:02 < ohsix> no cookies
2017-03-18T07:04:03 < ohsix> :\
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2017-03-18T07:08:44 < ohsix> .
2017-03-18T07:08:48 < ohsix> rei has them, for some reason
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2017-03-18T07:50:29 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/SRKBgjz.gifv
2017-03-18T07:51:44 < upgrdman> 'murica!   https://i.redd.it/18ow6n4s62my.jpg
2017-03-18T08:04:09 < Jak_o_Sh1dows> As soon as I touch the bloody DMA I get a blocking handler
2017-03-18T08:05:26 < Jak_o_Sh1dows> https://bpaste.net/show/d524cabeb3e2 ie. it fails on dma_disable_channel
2017-03-18T08:05:52 < ohsix> bu
2017-03-18T08:08:27 < upgrdman> Jak_o_Sh1dows, too lazy to look at your code, but
2017-03-18T08:08:31 < upgrdman> are all clocks enabled
2017-03-18T08:08:39 < upgrdman> gpio, dma, and periph
2017-03-18T08:09:56 < Jak_o_Sh1dows> ahah. Yeah. I checked that. I think so.
2017-03-18T08:10:36 < upgrdman> if all clocks are enabled, maybe you're accessing an invalid address. stack overflow, too far into flash, etc.
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2017-03-18T08:48:19 < upgrdman> R2COM, :) it's about time russia catches up to us
2017-03-18T08:48:54 < upgrdman> eww aluminum shells
2017-03-18T08:49:20 < upgrdman> err ya steel
2017-03-18T08:50:05 < upgrdman> ASIC designers make minimum wage now?
2017-03-18T08:50:51 < upgrdman> ARMA players make minimum wage now?
2017-03-18T08:51:09 < upgrdman> anyway. cool. what caliber?
2017-03-18T08:53:07 < jpa-> englishman: nope
2017-03-18T08:53:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, that close in szie/power to 223 right?
2017-03-18T08:53:57 < upgrdman> like a cunt hair bigger than 223?
2017-03-18T08:56:25 < upgrdman> o
2017-03-18T08:57:03  * upgrdman googles... oh ya basically 5.56 = 223 + more powder
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2017-03-18T10:18:56 < PeterM> if you're not shooting 1000 rnds a weekend steel is fine
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2017-03-18T12:44:39 < Steffanx> 'muricans and imported ones -_-
2017-03-18T12:50:27 < Steffanx> Haha, another "We take your munny and go bankrupt"-story: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/popslate-2-smart-second-screen-for-iphone-smartphone#/
2017-03-18T12:50:52 < Steffanx> *poof* $1.1Million 
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2017-03-18T13:14:43 < Steffanx> Was that really necessary ReadError
2017-03-18T13:15:11 < ReadError> was making sure I was still connected 
2017-03-18T13:15:20 < ReadError> so quiet 
2017-03-18T13:16:00 < Steffanx> R2COM killed them all with his bullets.
2017-03-18T13:17:39 < Steffanx> You can always tell us about your day ReadError? Maybe you will trigger someone.
2017-03-18T13:18:23 < ReadError> well
2017-03-18T13:18:28 < ReadError> today, I did a lil work
2017-03-18T13:18:35 < ReadError> and been playing with salt stack
2017-03-18T13:18:55 < ReadError> and trying to find an snmp monitoring package that doesnt blow
2017-03-18T13:19:02 < Steffanx> Did Freenas Corral yet?
2017-03-18T13:19:13 < ReadError> not rolled my main stuff over to it nah
2017-03-18T13:19:16 < ReadError> just tester
2017-03-18T13:19:26 < ReadError> figure ill wait a few weeks
2017-03-18T13:20:05 < Steffanx> I think i'll get myself some more RAM first. For the docker stuff.
2017-03-18T13:20:42 < ReadError> how much u have now?
2017-03-18T13:20:46 < Steffanx> (it only has 16G at the moment)
2017-03-18T13:21:13 < Steffanx> but RAM is f*cking expensive atm.. 
2017-03-18T13:21:25 < ReadError> ya man price shot up
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2017-03-18T13:21:41 < ReadError> i got 64gb of ddr4 year+ ago for $250 or so
2017-03-18T13:21:48 < Steffanx> ECC?
2017-03-18T13:21:54 < ReadError> oh nah thats in my desktop
2017-03-18T13:22:03 < ReadError> server has 72gb of DDR3 ecc
2017-03-18T13:23:27 < Steffanx> 64G in desktop yay.
2017-03-18T13:23:30 < Steffanx> *GB
2017-03-18T13:25:03 < ReadError> ya i have all my stuff virtualized tho
2017-03-18T13:25:13 < ReadError> different ones for different things
2017-03-18T13:25:31 < ReadError> makes things more portable 
2017-03-18T13:30:31 < ReadError> working on setting up huge private plex server
2017-03-18T13:30:36 < ReadError> in the cloud(tm)
2017-03-18T13:35:03 < Steffanx> All your illegal movies in the cloud?
2017-03-18T13:55:31 < englishman> Steffanx: lol at ripoffgogo
2017-03-18T13:57:35 < Steffanx> True.
2017-03-18T13:58:21 < ReadError> Steffanx: nah not movies, tv & shit 
2017-03-18T13:58:26 < ReadError> guess movies too
2017-03-18T13:58:35 < ReadError> but all encrypted 
2017-03-18T14:00:09 < englishman> how do i get free advertising like this https://www.wired.com/2016/03/popslate-2-e-ink-iphone-case-may-actually-make-sense/
2017-03-18T14:00:10 < Steffanx> Can the stroopwaffles be delivered yet englishman? 
2017-03-18T14:00:16 < englishman> not on saturday
2017-03-18T14:01:02 < Steffanx> I mean. With the snow et all.
2017-03-18T14:01:30 < englishman> it's basically motorcycle weather now
2017-03-18T14:02:43 < Steffanx> :)
2017-03-18T14:03:31 < englishman> how much green beer did you consume yesterday
2017-03-18T14:04:59 < Steffanx> Im not from ireland.
2017-03-18T14:05:37 < Steffanx> Also i didnt drink, because i had to drive.
2017-03-18T14:14:56 < englishman> surely you could have got some grandkids to pick you up
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2017-03-18T14:18:30 < Steffanx> You know.. Those kids are always busy.
2017-03-18T14:19:23 < Steffanx> Nah, i cant know what, they only exist in your (virtual) world.
2017-03-18T14:19:36 < Steffanx> That*
2017-03-18T14:22:50 < Steffanx> I guess i good at acting not according to my age. My collegues expected me to be younger than i am :P
2017-03-18T14:37:31 < englishman> so what's innovating today
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2017-03-18T14:42:19 < englishman> hmm there's a SimCanada https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIgv9fwOQ1s
2017-03-18T15:04:25 < jadew> I haven't played much with audio, but I see a lot of stuff uses volume control on the input - any idea on why it's done like that?
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2017-03-18T15:36:06 < kakimir> when is my stroopwaffles!
2017-03-18T15:36:50 < kakimir> did you send many steffan?
2017-03-18T15:36:52 < jpa-> jadew: to best use the ADC dynamic range
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2017-03-18T15:38:09 < jadew> jpa-, yeah, but that's worse than simply reducing the gain
2017-03-18T15:39:14 < jadew> (from the gain stage)
2017-03-18T15:39:35 < jadew> I mean, you don't know what's the input, might not even be an ADC
2017-03-18T15:39:41 < jadew> DAC, sorry
2017-03-18T15:39:49 < jadew> (that's what you meant, right?)
2017-03-18T15:39:54 < jpa-> i guess we are talking about completely different things :P
2017-03-18T15:40:07 < jadew> so you have a small signal coming in
2017-03-18T15:40:16 < jpa-> i was assuming a typical DSP stuff that audio just comes in, has volume adjust and perhaps some lowpass filter and then goes to ADC
2017-03-18T15:40:18 < jadew> why put a pot on it?
2017-03-18T15:40:25 < jadew> instead of changing the gain
2017-03-18T15:40:38 < jadew> what I see happening is that they have a pot on the input signal and fixed gain
2017-03-18T15:40:51 < jpa-> changing the gain in what way? by putting a pot on opamp feedback path?
2017-03-18T15:40:59 < jadew> no, I'm just looking at audio amplifiers
2017-03-18T15:41:13 < jadew> jpa-, something like that, sure that won't give you 0 output
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2017-03-18T15:41:24 < jadew> but I'm sure it can be worked around, perhaps a different amplifier design
2017-03-18T15:41:41 < jpa-> i'm not sure, but perhaps the opamp feedback path is more sensitive to noise than the input signal itself
2017-03-18T15:41:42 < jadew> I just find it weird that you'd be screwing around with the input signal instead of the output
2017-03-18T15:42:25 < jpa-> also, if the input signal is very loud, the amp could be saturating (depends on amplifier topology though)
2017-03-18T15:42:37 < jadew> well, that can happen either way
2017-03-18T15:42:52 < jpa-> yeah but if you divide the input, turning down the volume will fix it
2017-03-18T15:43:05 < jadew> ah, I see what you mean
2017-03-18T15:43:07 < jpa-> whereas if you only adjust the gain stage, the saturation might be happening earlier
2017-03-18T15:43:11 < jadew> ok, that's a good point
2017-03-18T15:43:19 < jadew> yep
2017-03-18T15:43:24 < jadew> ok, I'll take it
2017-03-18T15:43:33 < jadew> thanks :)
2017-03-18T15:43:39 < jpa-> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Op-Amp_Inverting_Amplifier.svg/300px-Op-Amp_Inverting_Amplifier.svg.png   though for something like this, it doesn't saturate anyway
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2017-03-18T15:44:39 < jpa-> another important point is that the amplifier stability margin will change with the gain; e.g. most opamps are not stable with gain less than 1x
2017-03-18T15:44:50 < jpa-> and so will the bandwidth
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2017-03-18T15:45:22 < jadew> the thing about the inverting amp, is that it would need a buffer
2017-03-18T15:45:42 < jadew> in case your input is high impedance, so you're back at square one
2017-03-18T15:46:01 < jadew> cuz you can saturate the buffer
2017-03-18T15:46:07 < jpa-> though so would pot divider
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2017-03-18T15:57:57 < Tectu> fucking quadros are so expensive
2017-03-18T15:58:00 < Tectu> also, hi
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2017-03-18T17:38:10 < Steffanx> So did Tectu go circuitstudio yet?
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2017-03-18T17:51:39 < Tectu> did not have time to try it yet
2017-03-18T17:58:56 < englishman> quadro the gfx card?
2017-03-18T17:59:42 < Steffanx> Pretty sure the answer is yes.
2017-03-18T17:59:55 < englishman> jpa-: is there a reason in nanopb simple.c you made buffer [128] bytes long instead of simplemessage_size?
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2017-03-18T19:20:55 < jpa-> englishman: only lazyness
2017-03-18T19:21:44 < englishman> thanks
2017-03-18T19:21:45 < englishman> :)
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2017-03-18T22:41:05 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BRyENjvhU6i/
2017-03-18T22:41:34 < Steffanx> Thorn and his cats :P
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2017-03-18T23:03:24 < Fleck> http://cs9.pikabu.ru/post_img/2017/03/17/7/1489746812174276204.jpg :D
2017-03-18T23:24:12 < Steffanx> Can you translate Fleck?
2017-03-18T23:25:13 < Fleck> sure
2017-03-18T23:25:28 < Fleck> virus won't execute, if there will be no free RAM
2017-03-18T23:25:52 < Fleck> or - not enough RAM :D
2017-03-18T23:26:51 < Steffanx> Is russian that  close to Letvian?
2017-03-18T23:27:18 < englishman> can't be vulnerable to CIA rootkit, if already infected with russian rootkit
2017-03-18T23:27:25 < Fleck> Steffanx: not at all close
2017-03-18T23:28:26 < Fleck> actually - completely different!
2017-03-18T23:29:28  * KreAture has a pile of these transistors, wonder if they are overkill for my solar charger
2017-03-18T23:29:29 < KreAture> http://www.vishay.com/docs/68600/si7726dn.pdf
2017-03-18T23:32:05 < Steffanx> Your translation sounds more plausible englishman 
2017-03-18T23:49:01 < nmz787_> is there a non-interrupt way to get a timer in one-pulse (for a timer with an n-pulse counter) mode to disable it's slaves at the end of the n-pulses?
2017-03-18T23:58:54 < KreAture> I think so
2017-03-18T23:59:00 < KreAture> Maybe dma
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2017-03-19T00:06:48 < kakimir> ##lynx32
2017-03-19T00:07:25 < kakimir> sorry ##bobcat32
2017-03-19T00:07:38 < KreAture> gaaaaah
2017-03-19T00:07:41 < KreAture> fix my ltspice
2017-03-19T00:07:43 < KreAture> lol
2017-03-19T00:07:45 < KreAture> so slow
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2017-03-19T00:18:56 < kakimir> instrestings to sleep every other night 4hours
2017-03-19T00:19:04 < kakimir> every other 12hours
2017-03-19T00:19:13 < kakimir> effectivelly 8hours a night
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2017-03-19T00:24:58 < Laurenceb_> kakimir is sleeping every 2 days?
2017-03-19T00:25:12 < kakimir> pretty much
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2017-03-19T00:31:58 < aandrew> https://youtu.be/GUK35bSl3ys
2017-03-19T00:33:47 < kakimir> see related videos and "People Try Heroin For The First Time"
2017-03-19T00:35:02  * KreAture is trying to simulate a synchronous rectifier and it is not playing nice
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2017-03-19T00:45:17 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1gMRZiM9RY I think I'm seing something like my next phone here
2017-03-19T00:47:05 < kakimir> virtual tape ruler
2017-03-19T00:52:39 < upgrdman> ahaha   http://i.imgur.com/ADSSBpL.gifv
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2017-03-19T01:04:33 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_pC0-Jfsq0
2017-03-19T01:06:55 < KreAture> haha "which rats come nibble on the cheese"
2017-03-19T01:08:29 < Steffanx> so i did the upgrade to freenas corral crap, and i wish i hadn't ReadError :(
2017-03-19T01:08:41 < Steffanx> the new UI is lacking features.
2017-03-19T01:09:06 < Steffanx> get the idea they tried to make it a bit tooo simplistic.
2017-03-19T01:15:31 < KreAture> everything is dumbed down to the lowest tier
2017-03-19T01:15:38 < KreAture> and the powerusers have to move on
2017-03-19T01:15:41 < KreAture> classic
2017-03-19T01:17:38 < Steffanx> it seems they wanted to release a "stable" version which lacks the features the previous stable version had.
2017-03-19T01:18:37 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyFXqIskFBw live in 11 min
2017-03-19T01:21:35 < KreAture> have you seen one rocket launch you've basically seen em all
2017-03-19T01:27:29 < Steffanx> unless it goes booom  KreAture
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2017-03-19T01:46:53 < englishman> attn dongs https://www.ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/IMG_6037.JPG.jpg
2017-03-19T01:47:16 < englishman> youve been supplying drone parts to isis
2017-03-19T01:47:58 < englishman> Thorn: is there a narrated one?
2017-03-19T01:48:50 < Thorn> it is narrated
2017-03-19T01:48:56 < Steffanx> this one is narrated, but only when there is something to tell.
2017-03-19T01:49:10 < englishman> oh
2017-03-19T01:49:16 < englishman> its nice to be told nothing is going on.
2017-03-19T01:49:18 < Thorn> they're waiting for a resolution on a problem
2017-03-19T01:49:38 < Steffanx> what part is dongs' englishman?
2017-03-19T01:49:51 < englishman> on another page
2017-03-19T01:50:28 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-19T01:50:33 < KreAture> Hobbyking has, not dongs
2017-03-19T01:50:46 < englishman> yes but
2017-03-19T01:50:49 < englishman> dongs supplies hobbyking
2017-03-19T01:51:26 < Steffanx> damn, did he really put his dong everywhere he could?
2017-03-19T01:51:35 < englishman> theres a nonzero chance that my radios and dongs ICBM controllers have been used by isis to mirc enemies
2017-03-19T01:52:25 < Steffanx> And i guess you dont really care.
2017-03-19T01:52:27 < englishman> but they seem to prefer RmileC proving their technological inferiority
2017-03-19T01:52:29 < KreAture> englishman: I don't think he does
2017-03-19T01:52:46 < KreAture> he designed it but I think hobbyking produces and sells without him having to fiddle about with shit
2017-03-19T01:52:51 < englishman> yeah KreAture even hobbyking stopped selling china nazes and got jappu ones
2017-03-19T01:52:59 < englishman> due to awful quality
2017-03-19T01:53:03 < KreAture> lol
2017-03-19T01:53:38  * Laurenceb_ was wondering how to build ISIS tier weapons platform
2017-03-19T01:53:50 < Laurenceb_> I think RPi zero is the way to go
2017-03-19T01:53:59 < Laurenceb_> and SP1ML modules
2017-03-19T01:54:03 < Steffanx> if it works. why not.
2017-03-19T01:54:23  * Laurenceb_ wonders how long before Rpi powered weaponised drone turns up
2017-03-19T01:54:51 < englishman> Laurenceb_: they just go to bestbuy and get dji phantom
2017-03-19T01:55:05 < englishman> way better than any rpi opensores junk
2017-03-19T01:55:08 < Laurenceb_> Pi zero + openCV tracking bomb and target, then radio module and cheap servos to control the bomb
2017-03-19T01:55:21 < Laurenceb_> yeah but their bombs are unguided 
2017-03-19T01:55:29 < englishman> so are their bullets
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2017-03-19T01:56:45 < Steffanx> can you shout out loud when the launch is actually going to happen Thorn? :)
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2017-03-19T01:58:11 < Thorn> provided that me falling asleep won't happen earlier
2017-03-19T01:58:41 < Steffanx> hah ok.
2017-03-19T01:59:58 < Laurenceb_> obviously ISIS can't build an orbital nuclear weapons platform staffed by ginger cats 
2017-03-19T02:00:03 < Laurenceb_> cuz thats patented
2017-03-19T02:00:22 < englishman> ginger cats are harram
2017-03-19T02:00:25 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-03-19T02:00:47 < Laurenceb_> was looking through contacts on old sim card the other day
2017-03-19T02:00:54 < Laurenceb_> had number for some isis guy
2017-03-19T02:01:02 < Laurenceb_> decided not to try calling lol :P
2017-03-19T02:02:37 < Steffanx> you have to decide on that?
2017-03-19T02:03:10 < Laurenceb_> I was tempted to troll...
2017-03-19T02:03:37 < Steffanx> self-troll.
2017-03-19T02:04:22 < englishman> btw has anyone heard of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_New_York_and_New_Jersey_bombings
2017-03-19T02:04:36 < englishman> dude set off 3 bombs in new york injuring dozens, ive never seen this on the news
2017-03-19T02:05:16 < englishman> and shot some cops
2017-03-19T02:06:02 < Laurenceb_> fuck da police
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2017-03-19T02:06:18 < Steffanx> i believe i did hear about that trash bin bombs on the news.
2017-03-19T02:06:23 < Steffanx> *those
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2017-03-19T02:07:13 < Thorn> sounds like they fixed the swing arm by rebooting a laptop
2017-03-19T02:07:42 < englishman> i was thinking about using a discoveryboard in this little project but i think i'll use an orangepi zero
2017-03-19T02:07:56 < englishman> its cheaper
2017-03-19T02:07:57 < englishman> lol
2017-03-19T02:08:10 < englishman> and i can connect to wifi and get rtc/ntp
2017-03-19T02:08:16 < Steffanx> is that a quote?
2017-03-19T02:08:24 < englishman> no i just wrote it
2017-03-19T02:09:26 < Thorn> launch in 10 min
2017-03-19T02:10:15 < Steffanx> how cheap is it englishman? 
2017-03-19T02:10:44 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RIP-Raspberry-Pi/32760774493.html
2017-03-19T02:10:58 < Steffanx> oh aliexpress -_-
2017-03-19T02:11:12 < englishman> it's the storefront of the manufacturer
2017-03-19T02:11:23 < englishman> you can get them from amadongs too.
2017-03-19T02:12:46 < Steffanx> it's only 0.50 $ cheaper than a real pi zero.
2017-03-19T02:13:02 < Steffanx> or do you "need" the wired ethernet
2017-03-19T02:13:09 < englishman> and has wifi
2017-03-19T02:13:22 < englishman> and is in stock this century
2017-03-19T02:13:35 < Steffanx> pi zero w too.
2017-03-19T02:13:54 < Laurenceb_> weapons platform confirmed
2017-03-19T02:14:24 < Thorn> wtf is a Quality Engineer doing on the launch team
2017-03-19T02:14:42 < Thorn> and why is he polled for go/nogo
2017-03-19T02:15:45 < Steffanx> do i see the dutch flag on there, which is upside down?
2017-03-19T02:17:53 < Thorn> why did everybody stand up
2017-03-19T02:18:40 < Steffanx>   \o/
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2017-03-19T02:49:25 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-03-19T02:57:28 < Steffanx> some canadian told us you support isis.
2017-03-19T02:58:16 < dongs> i hope i do
2017-03-19T03:17:19 < Laurenceb_> I dont see any details on where the stuff came from on the order form
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2017-03-19T03:38:27 < dongs> i stopped by isis drone hq in shenzhen
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2017-03-19T03:47:35 < englishman> was sidneyw there
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2017-03-19T03:59:59 < dongs> no, he rageqyit years ago
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2017-03-19T04:46:18 < Laurenceb_> wow
2017-03-19T04:46:26 < Laurenceb_> HMXHMX from nasaspaceflight is the roton guy
2017-03-19T04:46:41 < Laurenceb_> no wonder he shitposts on emdrive thread all day and night
2017-03-19T04:47:03 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_Rocket
2017-03-19T04:47:24 < englishman> ha i saw that ugly thing
2017-03-19T04:47:42 < englishman> what a silly idea, no wonder rutan helped them out with it
2017-03-19T04:47:52 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-03-19T04:48:01 < englishman> it sits in a little park in mojave right next to scaled composites hq
2017-03-19T04:49:06 < Laurenceb_> it didnt make any sense at all
2017-03-19T04:49:30 < Laurenceb_> in the end it was another single stage to orbit, with helicopter rotors bolted on for some reason
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2017-03-19T09:31:33 < upgrdman> any machinist pros awake? lathe chucks... 3 jaw for quick jobs, 4 jaw for things where runout matters, right? wtf are 6 jaw chucks for, just being even more anal about runout?
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2017-03-19T09:56:13 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/0Y2B5A8.gifv
2017-03-19T10:04:55 < PeterM> upgrdman for holding non-round/square parts
2017-03-19T10:05:05 < PeterM> or non-symetrical parts
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2017-03-19T10:15:59 < ds2> thin wall parts
2017-03-19T10:16:14 < ds2> more jaws == less pressure per jaw to min. crushing piece
2017-03-19T10:16:29 < ds2> just use collets unless you need big stuff
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2017-03-19T12:08:48 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1FmcnEBAx4
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2017-03-19T12:18:24 < stm32> strange\
2017-03-19T12:23:13 < stm32> where is steffan
2017-03-19T12:42:25 < dongs> blogging
2017-03-19T12:43:30 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/fkO8A.jpg
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2017-03-19T13:52:40 < Steffanx> .
2017-03-19T13:59:02 < Tectu> no
2017-03-19T14:01:58 < englishman> hello tectu
2017-03-19T14:02:05 < Tectu> bonjour
2017-03-19T14:02:05 < englishman> how is your progress into ircGL development
2017-03-19T14:02:16 < Tectu> stalling
2017-03-19T14:03:35 < englishman> looks like these guys beat you to it https://monodraw.helftone.com/
2017-03-19T14:04:11 < Tectu> oh wow, that looks awesome
2017-03-19T14:04:15 < Tectu> bookmarket
2017-03-19T14:04:16 < Tectu> thanks for sharing
2017-03-19T14:04:36 < englishman> yeah too bad its mac only
2017-03-19T14:04:44 < Tectu> oh no
2017-03-19T14:04:44 < Tectu> mac only
2017-03-19T14:04:46 < Tectu> -__-
2017-03-19T14:05:02 < Tectu> tell them to stop
2017-03-19T14:06:02 < englishman> is this what i use to make a web69.0 page like that http://mynameismatthieu.com/WOW/
2017-03-19T14:06:55 < englishman> ha, down in the Designed for Mac tile, the robot isnt an image its actually selectable text
2017-03-19T14:07:14 < Tectu> I hope you still feel bad for stealing my domain, mate
2017-03-19T14:07:59 < englishman> yeah especially since i didnt use it for anything
2017-03-19T14:09:05 < Tectu> lol
2017-03-19T14:10:05 < Tectu> better transfer
2017-03-19T14:12:05 < englishman> flash, bro
2017-03-19T14:17:00 < Tectu> like a real bro
2017-03-19T14:23:02 < Steffanx> what domain did mr englishman steal?
2017-03-19T14:23:30 < BrainDamage> uguu.fx ?
2017-03-19T14:26:18 < englishman> tectu.sucks
2017-03-19T14:27:43 < Steffanx> lies.
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2017-03-19T14:28:19 < Steffanx> that one is still availble.
2017-03-19T14:29:03 < englishman> funny tectu.rocks is cheaper
2017-03-19T14:29:08 < englishman> less desirable
2017-03-19T14:29:13 < Tectu> :<
2017-03-19T14:31:06 < englishman> cheer up stroopbro
2017-03-19T14:31:15 < Steffanx> stroopho*
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2017-03-19T14:43:49 < Steffanx> bye.
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2017-03-19T15:29:35 < Steffanx> where is crt?
2017-03-19T15:31:49 < ReadError> englishman: lol
2017-03-19T15:31:57 < ReadError> did u get that from me the other day?
2017-03-19T15:32:21 < ReadError> pretty interesting just needs a few things chaned
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2017-03-19T15:44:59 < Steffanx> efnet pumping tool ReadError?
2017-03-19T15:45:34 < ReadError> nah cant even pump with it
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2017-03-19T15:59:53 < dongs> 		http://atmel.force.com/support/ is down for maintenance 
2017-03-19T15:59:54 < dongs> Sorry for the inconvenience. We'll be back shortly. Please email us if you need to get in touch.
2017-03-19T16:00:01 < dongs> right when I want to actually read something off atmel.com
2017-03-19T16:00:04 < dongs> what are the fucking odds
2017-03-19T16:00:53 < emeb_mac> murphys law
2017-03-19T16:01:08 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-19T16:01:19 < dongs> al;so looks like im not gonna be using avr-isp mk2 on windows 10 1607
2017-03-19T16:01:30 < dongs> they managed to break it thanks to the signing requirement
2017-03-19T16:01:53 < Steffanx> No signed drivers?
2017-03-19T16:02:02 < dongs> you'd think atmel would do this huh
2017-03-19T16:02:23 < emeb_mac> just use zadig to get around it?
2017-03-19T16:02:27 < dongs> ...
2017-03-19T16:02:40 < dongs> i'm sorry how is that even remotely relevant and why would i isntall known hacker/virii software on my comptuer?
2017-03-19T16:02:43 < Steffanx> But how you dare to touch avr?
2017-03-19T16:02:49 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-03-19T16:03:18 < Steffanx> Atmel always used jungo stuff, weird that its not signes
2017-03-19T16:03:19 < dongs> Steffanx: i dont midn it when im getting paid for it 
2017-03-19T16:03:29 < Steffanx> Signed*
2017-03-19T16:04:00 < emeb_mac> isn't there a way to tell windows not to check status on that. You have to do some sort of powerdown / admin mode dance tho
2017-03-19T16:04:19 < dongs> i think last time i just self-signed
2017-03-19T16:04:25 < dongs> actually if I can still find THOSE signed drivers it should work
2017-03-19T16:04:28 < dongs> but I think i probably didnt keep them
2017-03-19T16:04:42 < dongs> but if i re-sign now it wont wokr cuz win10 1607 disallowed this
2017-03-19T16:04:48 < dongs> pre-date signed stuf works but not post
2017-03-19T16:06:50 < Steffanx> Disable the signed driver requirement
2017-03-19T16:06:57 < dongs> yes, which nemeds a reboot and shit.
2017-03-19T16:07:00 < dongs> nope.
2017-03-19T16:07:21 < Steffanx> Lolyou.
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2017-03-19T16:13:55 < Laurenceb_> Imperialist Dogs cower as Glorious Protector of the Nation Kim Jong Un showcases cutting edge technology to rain fiery death down on Capitalist tyrannts!
2017-03-19T16:22:15 < emeb_mac> yay?
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2017-03-19T17:09:42 < dongs> lul
2017-03-19T17:09:51 < dongs> turning on ext oscillator on retarduino makes it draw 20mA more
2017-03-19T17:09:53 < Rickta59> * makes note of silly windows issues , smiles at open sores
2017-03-19T17:09:54 < dongs> on idle/startup
2017-03-19T17:09:57 < dongs> what the fucking lol
2017-03-19T17:10:09 < dongs> such garbage
2017-03-19T17:11:33 < Steffanx> it went from 1mhz to 20MHz?
2017-03-19T17:11:41 < Steffanx> 1MHz*
2017-03-19T17:12:11 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-19T17:12:14 < dongs> 16? i think
2017-03-19T17:12:18 < dongs> whatever is retarduino cystal
2017-03-19T17:12:29 < dongs> is it 1mhz bty default?
2017-03-19T17:12:54 < Steffanx> Not sure. Some AVRs run on the 8MHz rc / 8
2017-03-19T17:13:01 < Steffanx> but long time ago i touched a bare AVR.
2017-03-19T17:13:09 < dongs> oh thats what CKDIV8 is
2017-03-19T17:13:15 < dongs> apparently its zero by default
2017-03-19T17:13:16 < Rickta59> for an atmega328 yes 1MHz
2017-03-19T17:13:17 < dongs> whatever that means
2017-03-19T17:13:31 < dongs> i think fuse shits are inverted
2017-03-19T17:13:37 < dongs> its been forever since i gave a fuck
2017-03-19T17:13:44 < dongs> anyway, it powered up , blink.exe works, my job is done
2017-03-19T17:14:08 < Rickta59> http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc/
2017-03-19T17:15:58 < dongs> lol @ calcuatling avrdude arguments
2017-03-19T17:16:04 < dongs> what if i use stm500.exe the REAL DEAL
2017-03-19T17:16:12 < dongs> er .. stm lol
2017-03-19T17:16:15 < dongs> more like STK500
2017-03-19T17:16:55 < dongs> k bedtime
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2017-03-19T19:42:03 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/gallery/fJVEee4 <-- dongs starts up his new drone program
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2017-03-19T19:45:21 < englishman> ReadError: yeah cloned
2017-03-19T19:46:07 < ReadError> if it had import and export irc'askey it would be great
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2017-03-19T19:48:45 < englishman> feature request
2017-03-19T19:52:03 < Steffanx> How hard can it be to maks such tool
2017-03-19T19:52:17 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://imgur.com/a/dNTvB
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2017-03-19T20:17:15 < kakimir> :d
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2017-03-19T20:27:18 < Steffanx> Laurenceb grads funny.
2017-03-19T20:27:21 < Steffanx> Grade
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2017-03-19T21:56:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, HB == ?
2017-03-19T22:00:36 < Steffanx> I assume High Brightness
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2017-03-19T22:05:57 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7R2R-LXUAE9tTI.jpg
2017-03-19T22:05:58 < Laurenceb_> cunning
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2017-03-19T22:44:11 < karlp> Laurenceb_: wat?
2017-03-19T22:47:34 < upgrdman> ya i dont get it
2017-03-19T22:47:39 < upgrdman> is that a ghetto walkway
2017-03-19T22:48:02 < ReadError> suicide nets ?
2017-03-19T22:48:17 < englishman> anti-roccoon nets
2017-03-19T22:49:18 < upgrdman> this looks much nicer   http://i.imgur.com/vM5fugF.jpg
2017-03-19T22:49:31 < upgrdman> and it would get rid of raccoons too
2017-03-19T23:03:19 < karlp> any kicad  users: are you using the 4.x branch, or development builds? how old is the current 4.x stable branch really?
2017-03-19T23:04:56 < karlp> hrm, install kicad via repo.  help link in menu is a broken link :|
2017-03-19T23:05:31 < karlp> ah, 300meg extra package
2017-03-19T23:06:36 < emeryth> I'm using daily builds, and recently I've seen a lot of bugs, but also some new features :V
2017-03-19T23:08:52 < emeryth> like the amazing "flip board view" option
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2017-03-19T23:09:58 < jadew> karlp, I'm using the release branch
2017-03-19T23:10:13 < jadew> 4.0.6
2017-03-19T23:12:31 < karlp> 4.0.5 in the fedora repo will do for now then I guess.
2017-03-19T23:12:55 < jadew> karlp, they might have a custom repo
2017-03-19T23:13:15 < jadew> I ran into an issue that trolled me for half a day, good lesson tho
2017-03-19T23:13:35 < jadew> I was making a speaker amplifier and I used two power supplies to power it
2017-03-19T23:13:47 < jadew> (needed + and - rails)
2017-03-19T23:14:20 < jadew> what was happening was that when amplifying a steady signal, it was slowly getting into a clipping mode
2017-03-19T23:14:28 < jadew> after a couple of seconds
2017-03-19T23:15:07 < jadew> I assumed it was the board, so I reworked it heavily, to later realize it was one of my supplies
2017-03-19T23:15:22 < jadew> its output would drop slightly when more current was being drawn
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2017-03-19T23:15:49 < jadew> so the ground would slowly drift, making it use more power from that supply and consequently making the drift larger
2017-03-19T23:16:21 < jadew> I guess that if I used similar supplies this wouldn't have happened
2017-03-19T23:17:03 < jadew> anyway, good lesson and now I want a 3 channel PSU, but I'll have to trade something else for it
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2017-03-19T23:18:33 < kakimir> anyone have ideas how to transfer energy from backbag to skeetboard efficienty and safelly without a "DC connector"
2017-03-19T23:18:36 < kakimir> ?
2017-03-19T23:19:07 < jadew> I don't know what either of those things are
2017-03-19T23:20:35 < kakimir> have windings in a shoe bottom?
2017-03-19T23:21:09 < kakimir> so slow machine
2017-03-19T23:21:14 < jadew> the other one is running empty
2017-03-19T23:22:03 < kakimir> friend said they made system for customer that performed 5times faster after optimization
2017-03-19T23:22:14 < kakimir> 5 were ordered
2017-03-19T23:22:34 < jadew> optimization = buy 5
2017-03-19T23:22:38 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-19T23:22:41 < kakimir> no
2017-03-19T23:22:54 < kakimir> every machine performed 5times too fast
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2017-03-19T23:23:10 < kakimir> so they made it a bit.. slower
2017-03-19T23:23:35 < boB_K7IQ> CooL winding machine !
2017-03-19T23:23:57 < Steffanx> lol the person behind boB_K7IQ is actually alive.
2017-03-19T23:24:13 < boB_K7IQ> Oh, yeah.  Just doing some programming today
2017-03-19T23:24:24 < Steffanx> All i see you do is Excess flooding :P
2017-03-19T23:24:30 < boB_K7IQ>  Good afternoon from Everett, WA
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2017-03-19T23:25:05  * kakimir gives glance at Steffanx 
2017-03-19T23:25:21  * Steffanx gives it back.
2017-03-19T23:25:30 < kakimir> I'm hungry.. where is food aid..
2017-03-19T23:25:37 < Steffanx> McDonalds?
2017-03-19T23:26:39 < kakimir> stroop waffle ;)
2017-03-19T23:27:08 < Steffanx> oh that.
2017-03-19T23:27:22 < Steffanx> still have to go to the shop to get some for you.
2017-03-19T23:27:33 < kakimir> interesting times.. paycheck probs in 30minutes
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2017-03-19T23:28:21 < kakimir> that machine in the video is really simple
2017-03-19T23:28:26 < kakimir> it's actually pneumatic
2017-03-19T23:28:45 < kakimir> and does like have only binary states in moves
2017-03-19T23:28:51 < kakimir> but rotation
2017-03-19T23:29:17 < kakimir> and zoom out linear
2017-03-19T23:29:42 < Steffanx> I did stalk you on google streetview in the meantime.. perfect version of "middle of nowhere" kakimir
2017-03-19T23:29:48 < kakimir> I'm going to start a electric motor factory
2017-03-19T23:30:28 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-19T23:30:38 < kakimir> I assumed you would
2017-03-19T23:31:08 < kakimir> really ugly pictures there
2017-03-19T23:31:20 < Steffanx> no snow.
2017-03-19T23:31:55 < kakimir> time just before there is anything green but no snow
2017-03-19T23:32:17 < Steffanx> What are all those tiny houses near the road? Food delivery stuff?
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2017-03-19T23:33:26 < kakimir> food delivery tradition
2017-03-19T23:34:10 < kakimir> no actual function nowdays
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2017-03-19T23:35:03 < kakimir> someone might leave something there
2017-03-19T23:35:44 < kakimir> "maitolaituri"
2017-03-19T23:36:22 < kakimir> "milk platform"
2017-03-19T23:37:23 < kakimir> nowdays tank trucks
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2017-03-19T23:37:53 < kakimir> I have not stalked neigbours in this yet
2017-03-19T23:38:21 < kakimir> streetview is so horrible to use I rather not move around with it
2017-03-19T23:40:12 < kakimir> boring
2017-03-19T23:41:00 < Steffanx> :P
2017-03-19T23:41:51 < kakimir> my neighbour address 666 has nice greenhouses
2017-03-19T23:42:23 < kakimir> not probs in 2009 photos all the nice new ones
2017-03-19T23:42:37 < kakimir> electric bill 700eur a day or more
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2017-03-19T23:44:51 < kakimir> it lights up night even from 2kilometers away
2017-03-19T23:45:57 < kakimir> now you need to show your house Steffanx 
2017-03-19T23:46:19 < Steffanx> Not in public.
2017-03-19T23:46:41 < kakimir> not what I meant
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2017-03-19T23:48:24 < Steffanx> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZHi3CQJQJic/Vnw2c1MyO_I/AAAAAAAAeRA/SKsZHZPC9FE/s1600/Homemade%2Bstroopwafel%2Bhouse%2Bmug%2Btopper%2Bfinished%2B%252715.png kakimir 
2017-03-19T23:50:08  * Steffanx waits for the first one to mention "it"
2017-03-19T23:50:25 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp8UiYOw8Fc future?
2017-03-19T23:51:03 < kakimir> I try to see a penis but I can't Steffanx 
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2017-03-19T23:52:05 < jadew> kakimir, it was holding the camera
2017-03-19T23:54:48 < kakimir> it's called a "dick stick"
2017-03-19T23:54:57 < kakimir> basically a phone mount for your penis
2017-03-19T23:56:10  * kakimir *coughs*
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2017-03-19T23:57:24 < kakimir> time to get back serious chats
2017-03-19T23:58:24 < kakimir> tired okay.. 3hours of sleep, a work day and a whole evening we have cracked bad jokes 
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2017-03-20T00:09:47 < karlp> Steffanx: weere you waiting for a comment like, "bukkakewaffels!" or something?
2017-03-20T00:10:18 < Steffanx> I noticed after i posted it. But yeah.
2017-03-20T00:11:26 < Steffanx> Dead.
2017-03-20T00:12:46 < kakimir> is it an actual thing=
2017-03-20T00:14:01 < Steffanx> Waffle overdose.
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2017-03-20T00:25:21 < kakimir> why
2017-03-20T00:25:29 < Steffanx> Ok. Going for an abortion?
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2017-03-20T00:26:05 < kakimir> you want to kill baby hitler like every lamer?
2017-03-20T00:26:54 < aandrew> rewriting history? simple. git rebase -i 
2017-03-20T00:28:13 < Steffanx> Lol.
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2017-03-20T00:32:15 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUMwBkenuk
2017-03-20T00:32:47 < Steffanx> Better get to work crr. Customers are waiting.
2017-03-20T00:32:57 < Steffanx> crt*
2017-03-20T00:35:10 < Steffanx> Is that some apple gear?
2017-03-20T00:35:51 < Steffanx> Busted. House mate.. Yeah sure
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2017-03-20T00:36:27 < Steffanx> Vmware fusion.
2017-03-20T00:36:55 < Steffanx> Sure, but .. Meh
2017-03-20T00:38:33 < Steffanx> Ltspice runs in wine iirc
2017-03-20T00:40:01 < kakimir> shiet crt your cat looks angry
2017-03-20T00:40:16 < aandrew> I was about to say there are native osx and linux versions, but I'm only half right about that
2017-03-20T00:40:40 < Steffanx> His cats always look angry.
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2017-03-20T00:40:56 < kakimir> was it that his cat owns him?
2017-03-20T00:41:21 < Steffanx> He is the butler.
2017-03-20T00:41:36 < kakimir> he is just an asset
2017-03-20T00:45:16 < jadew> lol, what a silly situation, 5% resistor of the same part number is more expensive than 1%
2017-03-20T00:45:58 < kakimir> you mean same product series0
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2017-03-20T00:46:39 < jadew> yeah
2017-03-20T00:46:48 < jadew> same manufacturer, same material, etc
2017-03-20T00:48:09 < sync_> possibly not suprising
2017-03-20T00:48:23 < sync_> if they mainly make 1%ers of them 5% resistors are rarer
2017-03-20T00:48:32 < sync_> because they are in the vampire part of the gaussian curve
2017-03-20T00:48:53 < kakimir> why even make them
2017-03-20T00:49:05 < sync_> you don't *make* them
2017-03-20T00:49:11 < kakimir> just make 1% one and mark them as 5%
2017-03-20T00:49:13 < sync_> you select them out of all the ones you make
2017-03-20T00:49:22 < kakimir> oh
2017-03-20T00:49:41 < kakimir> so there is actual error in value without exception
2017-03-20T00:49:45 < jadew> I think it's like toilet paper, you can buy a pack of 10 for 12 ron, or a pack of 16 for 24 ron
2017-03-20T00:50:04 < kakimir> more than 1% but under 5%
2017-03-20T00:50:08 < sync_> kakimir: unless you are lucky, yes
2017-03-20T00:50:33 < jadew> sync_, you think they measure them all?
2017-03-20T00:50:45 < jadew> or they sample the batch?
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2017-03-20T00:51:26 < kakimir> it wouldn't be too much a task to even measure every single one
2017-03-20T00:51:29 < sync_> they measure all of them
2017-03-20T00:52:17 < kakimir> you can imagine test heads hitting them at rate of hundreds of times in a second
2017-03-20T00:52:26 < jadew> yeah, I guess you're right
2017-03-20T00:52:41 < kakimir> effortlessly
2017-03-20T00:53:10 < kakimir> how many microseconds it takes to measure one
2017-03-20T00:53:24 < kakimir> at circuit level
2017-03-20T00:54:52 < kakimir> basically 2 comparators
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2017-03-20T00:55:19 < sync_> I suppose 10 a second would be reasonable
2017-03-20T00:55:20 < jadew> so I guess when you buy 5% resistors you know for sure you won't get within 1% of the nominal value :)
2017-03-20T00:55:26 < sync_> yes
2017-03-20T00:55:28 < sync_> :D
2017-03-20T00:55:35 < stm32> put that dirty old crt away
2017-03-20T00:58:03 < kakimir> sleep>
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2017-03-20T01:02:55 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=35905.msg1653854#msg1653854
2017-03-20T01:03:02 < Laurenceb_> oh noes I'm beaten
2017-03-20T01:03:06 < Laurenceb_>  /s
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2017-03-20T01:16:41 < stm32> ok
2017-03-20T01:18:17 < stm32> i've lost the plot
2017-03-20T01:21:20 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/Wmd8lEr
2017-03-20T01:21:37 < Laurenceb_> It's like Skylon fanboys multiplied by Solar Roadways fanboys.
2017-03-20T01:21:42 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/5z62m5/zero2infinity_recently_just_launched_their_first/dew3knc/?st=j0hawv8d&sh=c98fa076
2017-03-20T01:21:46 < Laurenceb_> reddit delivers
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2017-03-20T01:26:59 < Laurenceb_> what the...
2017-03-20T01:27:10 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27151.20
2017-03-20T01:28:25 < Laurenceb_> what are they smoking
2017-03-20T01:28:39 < Laurenceb_> this is all good news for my rockoon project
2017-03-20T01:28:54 < Laurenceb_> everyone else is hitting levels of insanity that shouldn't even be possible
2017-03-20T01:29:43 < Laurenceb_>  airship-to-orbit! AtO is a 3 part system, Ascender is the first part, dark star station the second, the hypersonic wind tunnel supports research into active drag reduction for the third part etc. 
2017-03-20T01:29:49 < Laurenceb_> i dont even....
2017-03-20T01:32:01 < Laurenceb_> because  you can do a hypersonic low drag aerofoil on an airship
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2017-03-20T02:27:05 < jadew> my lamp generates so much RF is annoying
2017-03-20T02:33:52 < stm32> LED
2017-03-20T02:33:55 < stm32> as promised bro
2017-03-20T02:34:23 < stm32> i drive my 100w LEDs with a 50hz transformer and linear regulator
2017-03-20T02:35:55 < Laurenceb_> dude solar roadways powered hyperloop with hypersonic airships
2017-03-20T02:35:58 < Laurenceb_> thats the future
2017-03-20T02:36:11 < Laurenceb_>  > airship
2017-03-20T02:36:15 < Laurenceb_>  > hypersonic
2017-03-20T02:38:25 < jadew> stm32, it's CCFL
2017-03-20T02:39:18 < jadew> I don't know if LED would be much better
2017-03-20T02:47:16 < stm32> same toilet
2017-03-20T02:47:33 < stm32> crappy switching reg = free emi
2017-03-20T02:47:36 < stm32> :3
2017-03-20T02:48:14 < stm32> the prototype would have passed, production units in my experience seem unlikely to
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2017-03-20T03:07:21 < jadew> not sure if I posted this in the past: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0iM_-cZw8Y
2017-03-20T03:07:25 < jadew> the comments are gold
2017-03-20T03:08:18 < jadew> "have you ever heard of the Holland shielding protective suits, my friend is so ill he cant leave the flat, i would like to get one for him but they are so expensive and cost 970 euros, do you know if the suit needs to be grounded? My friend has asked me to ask you this question. Also do you know anyone who benefited from wearing this particular suit?"
2017-03-20T03:08:33 < stm32> lol
2017-03-20T03:08:44 < jadew> "Don't use ALUMINUM, it will only make things worst. I had one close to the wall where I sleep, and after 30 minutes my head was going to explode and next day I still felt unease. That's because the radiation reflects back and hits you more than double. Now all material do the same, I haven't tested copper or any other made by SWISS SHIELD, so I can't tell if I will experience the same."
2017-03-20T03:08:46 < stm32> crackpot central
2017-03-20T03:09:57 < jadew> "shielding body while on phone is good idea, shielding whole room of emf preventing the phone signal to be weaker is dangerous because it's using higher waves of emf to try to pull a signal from a tower, not a good idea"
2017-03-20T03:11:08 < stm32> sounds completely reasonable
2017-03-20T03:19:43 < stm32> [][]
2017-03-20T03:21:44 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr6rp0HYgQ8
2017-03-20T03:22:31 < jadew> "then, there are zombies"
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2017-03-20T03:32:23 < boB_K7IQ> That foil hat guy sure acts like a zombie !
2017-03-20T03:32:49 < boB_K7IQ> Psychotronic !  I LOVE it !
2017-03-20T03:51:38 < jadew> I have a friend who recently started slowly etching copper clad boards with a solution of salt + something else - not sure what
2017-03-20T03:52:02 < jadew> because he read that the resulting water can heal everything
2017-03-20T03:56:08 < jadew> I don't think I managed to convince him it's nonsense, but I'm sure I planted some seeds of doubt
2017-03-20T03:58:15 < jadew> I guess we're all able to believe anything, as long as it doesn't violate the rules of our reality or if it seems to confirm things we only had suspicions about
2017-03-20T04:23:35 < boB_K7IQ> Amen to that !
2017-03-20T04:23:55 < boB_K7IQ> I believe I'll have another drink !
2017-03-20T04:24:10 < jadew> I believe you
2017-03-20T04:26:42 < stm32> yeah mate
2017-03-20T04:26:45 < stm32> pop it off
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2017-03-20T05:05:11 < stm32> yeah sweet
2017-03-20T05:14:23 < branjb> was ist das
2017-03-20T05:14:51 < aandrew> nice, what is it?
2017-03-20T05:15:25 < stm32> pioneer's dog
2017-03-20T05:17:47 < stm32> ddjsx2
2017-03-20T05:18:03 < stm32> to change one clicky encoder is to go insane
2017-03-20T05:19:14 < englishman> i did stm8 today, im only 1/4 as cool as stm32 
2017-03-20T05:24:55 < nmz787_> how do I make my one-pulse-mode timer interrupt (UEV) be more important? from the datasheet it seems like I need to lower the priority number... but unless I have the wrong address for the IRQ priority bits, it seems like it is reading 0 currently, so I can't seem to lower it
2017-03-20T05:25:08 < stm32> remove 50 screws and pull the adhesive without warping the faceplate, oh cool
2017-03-20T05:37:50 < ohsix> do not buy used routers
2017-03-20T05:38:33 < ohsix> if it's new, someone got rid of it because it was shit or a port died or something awful
2017-03-20T05:39:24 < ohsix> got to use openwrt in the course of wasting like 10 hours, it's way better than dd-wrt, dd-wrt looks like shit full stop. and dd-wrt bugs get closed / blamed on openwrt changes
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2017-03-20T06:04:46 < stm32> crt
2017-03-20T06:19:58 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-20T06:21:21 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pos9pE8xwU
2017-03-20T06:21:47 < ohsix> needs an imu to keep platform level during movements amirite
2017-03-20T06:22:06 < ohsix> level/ given attitude
2017-03-20T06:23:41 < ohsix> actually calculating leg position for stuff would be interesting
2017-03-20T06:23:42 < stm32> get rich or die cloning
2017-03-20T06:25:18 < upgrdman> ohsix, neat
2017-03-20T06:25:45 < stm32> the world tour
2017-03-20T06:25:56 < upgrdman> ohsix, i shelved my centipede idea but now im trying to think of how i could make a dragon robot. like a chinese dragon thinggy.
2017-03-20T06:26:09 < upgrdman> but i have a feeling it wouldnt be any simpler
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2017-03-20T06:44:21 < branjb> i was looking forward to the centipede
2017-03-20T06:48:14 < upgrdman> me too
2017-03-20T06:48:42 < upgrdman> i dunno, i might do it, it's just a low priority now
2017-03-20T06:49:06 < branjb> kinematics get pretty complicated past what, 5 legs?
2017-03-20T06:49:34 < upgrdman> not really complicated, but would cost more than i want to spend on a "meh" toy
2017-03-20T06:53:13 < branjb> I tried to recreate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su6O6155UJM&t=1s and failed
2017-03-20T06:53:21 < branjb> my mechanical skills are bad
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2017-03-20T07:13:46 < ohsix> upgrdman: like wheels on a few sections and articulation?
2017-03-20T07:22:53 < upgrdman> ohsix, thats the problem. i dont want to fake it. i want like real snake motion
2017-03-20T07:23:01 < upgrdman> would prolly be complex as fuck
2017-03-20T07:39:37 < branjb> what gears work best for 3D printing?  those v shaped ones?
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2017-03-20T08:25:58 < ohsix> i got too many stroopwafel
2017-03-20T08:26:10 < ohsix> branjb: herringbone?
2017-03-20T08:26:16 < ohsix> p. much
2017-03-20T08:26:32 < ohsix> it's all about how they wear, and herringbone gives you two surfaces that keep the gear square
2017-03-20T08:26:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: daniel shiffman has a youtub series on creative coding
2017-03-20T08:27:13 < ohsix> you could figure out the kinematics with the physics engine he's using, just find out rigidity and stuff that looks fine, and what modulation
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2017-03-20T08:29:54 < upgrdman> link
2017-03-20T08:30:26 < ohsix> you can probably find better, but it's in my brain from how many he posts, and the format
2017-03-20T08:31:17 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXjRlEr7AGk is just one of them
2017-03-20T08:31:55 < ohsix> but you can use spring joints, a maximum bend radius
2017-03-20T08:32:18 < ohsix> bunch of shit like that, and it will bend like a real snake would, then figure out what to do with what is left
2017-03-20T08:32:55 < ohsix> assume 2d field of objects, draw a pathfinding spline between two points and move the snake along them
2017-03-20T08:33:28 < ohsix> don't actually know of a thing that does that thoguh lul
2017-03-20T08:33:51 < ohsix> you'll probably use a* and choose a few objects to be n away from, then use the polyline path to fit a curve to
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2017-03-20T08:35:12 < ohsix> http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131505/toward_more_realistic_pathfinding.php?print=1 not a solution but lots of info into doing it in similar area
2017-03-20T08:35:34 < ohsix> anyways, if you do it in processing or p5 or something and you can't make it look right, you can decide not to do it :p
2017-03-20T08:36:23 < ohsix> hm
2017-03-20T08:37:04 < ohsix> there's probably a math-y way to do it with a 3d terrain and if it is smooth (normal derivative) you can find a path that has minimal curvature/length across it
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2017-03-20T08:38:16 < ohsix> http://www.cs.mtu.edu/~chaoliw/2dflowvis.html
2017-03-20T08:38:51 < ohsix> waaaat no code
2017-03-20T08:38:59 < ohsix> owel you got some werdz in the area to find shit
2017-03-20T08:40:47 < ohsix> probably going to need wheels or smoething to try and actually move like a snake
2017-03-20T08:41:19 < ohsix> if you followed the spline right you'd not slip and the wheels wouldn't bind/drag either lul, it'd be like driving a train without rails
2017-03-20T08:41:57 < aandrew> word to the goat herd.
2017-03-20T08:44:38 < ohsix> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4115984/Baaaaad-behaviour-Herd-sheep-trample-shepherd-one-returns-ram-spooked-car.html related
2017-03-20T08:46:00 < ohsix> further related https://youtu.be/7ADgCeYJMN4?t=10
2017-03-20T08:48:15 < aandrew> that's a sheep flock, not a goat herd..
2017-03-20T08:51:14 < ohsix> sweet, the esp-12 has the i2s in/out ports
2017-03-20T08:51:25 < ohsix> now i just need one of those
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2017-03-20T09:14:55 < zyp> dongs, realized yesterday that I'm out of those wire harnesses for arcin
2017-03-20T09:15:20 < zyp> I'm actually twenty-something short wrt. pending orders
2017-03-20T09:22:00 < zyp> in other news, I flashed/tested the first box of boards yesterday, 100% test pass
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2017-03-20T09:55:14 < stm32> arcin shits 4 lyf
2017-03-20T09:55:31 < stm32> should get senpai to stick it on a bed of nails
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2017-03-20T10:21:02 < stm32> mew
2017-03-20T10:25:10 < zyp> stm32, that's not too far from what I have already
2017-03-20T10:26:04 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/JAkIb.JPG <- test process looks like this
2017-03-20T10:26:25 < zyp> so apart from that there's only the usb connector to plug in
2017-03-20T10:27:02 < zyp> and given that most failures in the past were due to a badly mounted/soldered usb connector, testing it is pretty important either way
2017-03-20T10:29:18 < stm32> nice
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2017-03-20T10:37:23 < aandrew> what's an arcin
2017-03-20T10:42:39 < stm32> it's like heroin but 10x better
2017-03-20T10:46:20 < ReadError> I thought it was a penguin 
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2017-03-20T10:59:11 < Steffanx> Some arcade game controller zyp made and sells aandrew 
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2017-03-20T10:59:47 < aandrew> Steffanx: ahh
2017-03-20T11:05:06 < Steffanx> You really need ##stm32 to no go insane while repairing the crapcyour customers bring in.. Isnt it stm32 ?
2017-03-20T11:05:14 < Steffanx> Not*
2017-03-20T11:05:32 < zyp> haha
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2017-03-20T11:36:54 < stm32> yes
2017-03-20T12:06:36 < Steffanx> I see.
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2017-03-20T12:26:49 < Steffanx> Welcome home.
2017-03-20T12:27:21 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJKuccXCC08
2017-03-20T12:27:28 < ReadError> lol'd
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2017-03-20T12:35:15 < ReadError> click my video for CRINGE
2017-03-20T12:41:55 < Steffanx> Already seen it yesterday or so.
2017-03-20T12:42:19 < jadew> is that in your lab?
2017-03-20T12:42:23 < Steffanx> Fatdog.
2017-03-20T12:50:42 < Steffanx> AngryCat.
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2017-03-20T12:56:37 < kakimir> is it angry even?
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2017-03-20T12:58:19 < kakimir> it looks directly in the camera
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2017-03-20T14:30:23 < Thorn> why are they using 22 Ohm resistors in USB data lines in f4 disco? dwc_otg is supposed to use its own internal resistors
2017-03-20T14:30:48 < zyp> because people haven't read the DS properly
2017-03-20T14:31:06 < Thorn> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/70/fe/4a/3f/e7/e1/4f/7d/DM00039084.pdf/files/DM00039084.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00039084.pdf page 35
2017-03-20T14:31:09 < zyp> either works in practice
2017-03-20T14:31:18 < zyp> <- speaking from experience
2017-03-20T14:31:29 < ReadError> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHscMam4W7s
2017-03-20T14:31:35 < Thorn> btw some USB ESD protection chips contain both 22R and 1k5 resistors
2017-03-20T14:31:47 < Thorn> are they not supposed to be used with dwc_otg?
2017-03-20T14:31:58 < zyp> prolly not
2017-03-20T14:32:06 < zyp> I've used some that's only diodes
2017-03-20T14:32:32 < Thorn> https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/STF202-22T1-D.PDF <-- not only diodes
2017-03-20T14:32:42 < Thorn> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/06/1d/48/9c/6c/20/4a/b2/CD00050750.pdf/files/CD00050750.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00050750.pdf <-- only diodes
2017-03-20T14:33:01 < zyp> http://assets.nexperia.com/documents/data-sheet/IP4220CZ6.pdf <- I've used this
2017-03-20T14:33:10 < zyp> wat, nexperia
2017-03-20T14:42:43 < karlp> nexperia is the new nxp
2017-03-20T14:42:49 < karlp> part of nxp anyway.
2017-03-20T14:43:15 < karlp> that "phone case" drone shit kickstarter was probably this was't it? http://www.gearbest.com/rc-quadcopters/pp_568643.html?wid=21
2017-03-20T14:45:43 < aandrew> 
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2017-03-20T14:59:53 < englishman> fucking laptop barrel jacks
2017-03-20T15:00:05 < englishman> what kind of idiot puts a non-magnetic connector as a laptop charge port
2017-03-20T15:00:34 < Steffanx> Any manufacturer that is not apple? :¶
2017-03-20T15:01:17 < zyp> also apple on the new ones with usb-c charging
2017-03-20T15:02:15 < englishman> only microsoft does it these days
2017-03-20T15:02:28 < Steffanx> I liked those magnetic usb connectors for phones, but never bothered to buy it.
2017-03-20T15:02:34 < englishman> i broke the jack again just by walking past the laptop
2017-03-20T15:03:48 < englishman> my cat feeder is now powered by stm8
2017-03-20T15:03:50 < Steffanx> I never managed to do that. And i did the same thibg quite a few times
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2017-03-20T15:10:36 < Laurenceb> ur mum
2017-03-20T15:14:49 < Steffanx> I love you too Laurenceb 
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2017-03-20T15:22:54 < ReadError> magjack on MB is awesome
2017-03-20T15:23:16 < ReadError> shame then went with retarded C on the new ones
2017-03-20T15:23:25 < ReadError> you can get adapters tho
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2017-03-20T15:24:37 < PeterM> i really liked the fire feature of magjacks
2017-03-20T15:24:37 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/Griffin-BreakSafe-Magnetic-Breakaway-Chromebook/dp/B01CQTK6GU
2017-03-20T15:24:40 < PeterM> that was sweet
2017-03-20T15:25:04 < ReadError> wat
2017-03-20T15:26:08 < PeterM> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=apple+magsafe+fire
2017-03-20T15:27:20 < ReadError> oh well ya, misuse+abuse
2017-03-20T15:27:44 < PeterM> nah
2017-03-20T15:27:50 < ReadError> thats a way old one
2017-03-20T15:28:00 < ReadError> they had been 90 degree for a while
2017-03-20T15:28:08 < PeterM> nah even on magsafe 2 it happens
2017-03-20T15:28:36 < PeterM> because the spring pressure and method it attaches you can get poor contact resistance
2017-03-20T15:28:42 < PeterM> leading to excessive heating
2017-03-20T15:29:44 < PeterM> and then there is hte distince lack of strain relief thing on apple cables but thats another story
2017-03-20T15:31:47 < ReadError> http://www.powerbookmedic.com/xcart1/images/D/macbook%20air%20a1244%20adapter.jpg
2017-03-20T15:31:50 < ReadError> these been fine for me
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2017-03-20T16:05:33 < Laurenceb> https://bp.langweiledich.net/CDXXXIX/LangweileDich.net_Bilderparade_CDXXXIX_70.gif
2017-03-20T16:06:28 < zyp> oh, went with only C on the new MBPs as well, hadn't see nthat
2017-03-20T16:07:07 < ReadError> zyp: ya, dumb
2017-03-20T16:07:19 < zyp> that's a bit inconvenient, I use the A-ports on mine a lot, adapters seems like a hassle
2017-03-20T16:07:31 < zyp> although for typical desktop use, combined hub and charger is fine
2017-03-20T16:08:30 < karlp> aka, a docking station, aka "hah, only pc losers would need such garbage"
2017-03-20T16:09:10 < zyp> I've got some usb3 dock here at work, works fine
2017-03-20T16:09:58 < zyp> got two monitors, ethernet and a few usb devices hooked up to a little box on my desk that's hooked up to laptop over usb3
2017-03-20T16:10:38 < zyp> I was worried monitor performance would suffer, but haven't noticed anything yet
2017-03-20T16:11:05 < zyp> so all it's missing is charging to be a full docking solution
2017-03-20T16:13:03 < zyp> hmm
2017-03-20T16:13:55 < zyp> then again, adapters is probably only a temporary problem, soon enough it'll be plenty of stuff with a C-plug rather than the old A-plug
2017-03-20T16:14:07 < zyp> and the problem is gone
2017-03-20T16:25:36 < Steffanx> I had the fire issue as well. Nah almost, but it was kinda my own fault  and it was on the other end of the cable.
2017-03-20T16:33:35 < Thorn> why is there ID pin in usb mini B connector
2017-03-20T16:34:16 < Thorn> iirc it's not supposed to be used for OTG?
2017-03-20T16:35:28 < zyp> because mini-AB existed but was obsoleted by micro
2017-03-20T16:36:06 < zyp> so USB-IF went "fuck mini-AB, nobody is using it yet, please use micro-AB instead"
2017-03-20T16:42:28 < Thorn> right
2017-03-20T16:43:08 < Thorn> btw the hypnocube controller also seems to have 16 control channels for ws2812b
2017-03-20T16:43:42 < Thorn> one channel can control up to ~1000 LEDs if you want 24fps update
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2017-03-20T16:47:36 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/a/EMHnS I'm like 2 weeks late on this thing and still tweaking it
2017-03-20T16:54:43 < Thorn> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/06/smart_meters_prove_dim/ 
2017-03-20T16:54:48 < Thorn> "Probably active integration is used instead of passive integration, and the input electronics are pushed in saturation caused by the high rise-time of the current."
2017-03-20T16:54:58 < Thorn> wat
2017-03-20T16:56:05 < Thorn> what do they mean by active / passive integration? Active = uses an op amp?
2017-03-20T16:59:04 < Laurenceb> maybe they mean software versus hardware
2017-03-20T16:59:09 < Laurenceb> or they are just full of bs
2017-03-20T16:59:40 < Laurenceb> mechanical meters are very smart imo, they can account for varying supply voltage and power factor mechanically
2017-03-20T17:00:00 < Laurenceb> pro fairly tricky to replicate well in software
2017-03-20T17:01:46 < Thorn> also why, if the assumed op amp saturates, the meter would overestimate the reading rather than underestimate it?
2017-03-20T17:02:52 < Laurenceb> who knows
2017-03-20T17:02:56 < Laurenceb> maybe aliens
2017-03-20T17:03:36 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaPtq8F2hUc
2017-03-20T17:07:33 < Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/HFXi0PrB
2017-03-20T17:08:06 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgflip.com/1e9nf9.jpg
2017-03-20T17:08:30 < Laurenceb> "I have a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable." HAPPY 11TH BIRTHDAY OUR SECRETARY OF CYBER!!! 
2017-03-20T17:21:09 < aandrew> sync_: ping
2017-03-20T17:21:36 < sync_> pong aandrew
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2017-03-20T18:04:00 < Steffanx> Best conversation of the day.
2017-03-20T18:11:58 < emeb> Steffanx: which one is that?
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2017-03-20T18:24:12 < karlp> bah, was pricing parts, thought, hmm, f334 looks nicely priced.
2017-03-20T18:24:21 < karlp> st's f3 summary page says it includes usb.
2017-03-20T18:24:24 < karlp> it doesn't
2017-03-20T18:26:12 < englishman> wat
2017-03-20T18:26:17 < englishman> fail
2017-03-20T18:27:58 < karlp> looks like f302 is the cheapest non-f1, m3+ with usb in non-bga packages.
2017-03-20T18:28:03 < karlp> how's that fora  list of qualifiers!
2017-03-20T18:29:10 < englishman> did you use MCUFinder
2017-03-20T18:29:17 < englishman> to divine this information
2017-03-20T18:30:19 < englishman> what about L100 lol
2017-03-20T18:30:21 < karlp> no, digikey.
2017-03-20T18:30:39 < karlp> I think l100 flopped
2017-03-20T18:30:44 < karlp> not cheaper enough.
2017-03-20T18:30:57 < englishman> 32k flash and usb. so useful
2017-03-20T18:31:06 < englishman> 16k even
2017-03-20T18:31:09 < karlp> it might be cheaper, but it's unobtainium
2017-03-20T18:31:43 < karlp> kinda like the l1...-A parts, those are pretty rare too, and when they're available, more exensive than the original parts
2017-03-20T18:31:43 < emeb> I did a product with an L100
2017-03-20T18:31:49 < emeb> worked fine
2017-03-20T18:31:51 < emeb> cheap
2017-03-20T18:31:59 < karlp> sure, it's like a l15x with a bit less of everything.
2017-03-20T18:32:28 < karlp> but you want to buy 100? fuck off, cheaper to buy l15x
2017-03-20T18:33:17 < karlp> digikey only stocks on l100, and it's 5.53 each
2017-03-20T18:33:47 < karlp> even at x100, it's still a dollar more than l151
2017-03-20T18:39:52 < sync_> haha yeah I thought the same karlp
2017-03-20T18:39:57 < sync_> why the fuck does the 334 not have usb
2017-03-20T18:40:07 < sync_> but then, why have usb on a device that resides on the highside
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2017-03-20T18:50:07 < karlp> well, why is it so cheap for such a specialized device then?
2017-03-20T18:57:18 < karlp> so, digikey price rankings for x10, with usb, in non-bga/wlcsp packaging: L052->F302->[f102]->L151->L432->F401->F205->F765
2017-03-20T18:57:28 < karlp> annnnnnd, enough autisming
2017-03-20T19:06:00 < Steffanx> ping pong emeb 
2017-03-20T19:06:59 < emeb> Steffanx: yo?
2017-03-20T19:07:19 < Steffanx> i was referring to that conversation
2017-03-20T19:08:08 < emeb> ah
2017-03-20T19:08:58 < emeb> karlp: I've used F302 in a product - didn't need the USB though.
2017-03-20T19:09:31 < emeb> F302 seems odd. the ADC is kinda crappy. bad gain, noisy compared to other F3 parts I've used.
2017-03-20T19:09:45 < emeb> seems like they squeezed some margin out somewhere.
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2017-03-20T19:15:04 < sync_> karlp: because people are using them in PFC/SMPS a lot
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2017-03-20T19:24:04 < karlp> f302 has worse adc than f303? or same, with f301?
2017-03-20T19:24:23 < karlp> or were you seeing it as objectively worse than f303Ð
2017-03-20T20:05:06 < Laurenceb> how is F3 ADC compared to F1?
2017-03-20T20:05:12 < Laurenceb> or F4 for that matter
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2017-03-20T20:45:49 < Rickta59> why does st want me to signin now to download just about any zip file?
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2017-03-20T20:53:48 < PaulFertser> Because ST is the king and all the customers are loosy suckers.
2017-03-20T20:55:06 < Fleck> :D
2017-03-20T21:02:18 < jadew> how can they make this shit so cheap? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Portable-HIFI-Wireless-Speaker-With-FM-Radio-FAT16-FAT32-file-system-Aluminum-enclosure-Built-in/32787620145.html
2017-03-20T21:02:27 < jadew> what's the BOM cost?
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2017-03-20T21:18:13 < Steffanx> Whats in there..
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2017-03-20T21:33:54 < jadew> a radio, some MCU, a bunch of connectors, that segment display, a speaker and the enclosure
2017-03-20T21:34:05 < englishman> st's forced login wouldnt be so bad if a) it kept you logged in for more than 3 seconds b) the website was upgraded from F7 to something modern like XMOS or XMEGA
2017-03-20T21:34:06 < jadew> + some buttons
2017-03-20T21:36:16 < jadew> how do you mount a speaker in an enclosure? sealed on the side where it's exposed or recessed?
2017-03-20T21:46:11 < jadew> it's probably sealed, but it probably needs some other holes
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2017-03-20T21:58:42 < Thorn> you also need something to decode mp3
2017-03-20T21:58:54 < jadew> Thorn, yeah, the MCU
2017-03-20T21:59:04 < jadew> mentioned it
2017-03-20T21:59:22 < jadew> I wonder if they have something that can do all that + radio
2017-03-20T21:59:28 < Thorn> that means non-cheap mcu
2017-03-20T21:59:33 < jadew> yep
2017-03-20T22:00:01 < Thorn> a dedicated mp3 decoder ic might be cheaper
2017-03-20T22:00:28 < jadew> and I didn't put on that list the assembly
2017-03-20T22:02:35 < Thorn> maybe it's a batch that the original customer didn't pick up
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2017-03-20T22:03:54 < jadew> oh, and it also has an antenna
2017-03-20T22:04:01 < jadew> a telescopic one
2017-03-20T22:05:14 < jadew> I'm tempted to get one to open it up
2017-03-20T22:06:54 < jadew> speaking of super cheap: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sport-3-5mm-Mini-MP3-Players-Micro-USB-Metal-Clip-MP3-Support-up-to-16GB-TF/32796559137.html
2017-03-20T22:07:15 < jadew> oh, wait
2017-03-20T22:07:18 < jadew> not that one
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2017-03-20T22:09:06 < jadew> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-Mini-Clip-MP3-Player-LCD-Screen-Support-32GB-Micro-SD-TF-Card-Radio-Reader-/231827312517
2017-03-20T22:09:15 < jadew> I got two of those
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2017-03-20T22:44:26 < jadew> Lux, most likely
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2017-03-20T22:48:37 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJqEUg9dRzs simpsons
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2017-03-20T22:50:31 < kakimir> I think when I bought GTA Vice City it was the best gaming summer I had
2017-03-20T22:50:44 < kakimir> bad for my posture though but worth it
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2017-03-21T00:58:55 < Thorn> should I ESD protect the SWD connector?
2017-03-21T01:01:00 < zyp> what product?
2017-03-21T01:01:36 < zyp> would user be expected to plug into it often?
2017-03-21T01:02:03 < zyp> would it even be externally accessible?
2017-03-21T01:02:50 < zyp> in other words; wtf are you doing that the built in protection in the chip would suffice for?
2017-03-21T01:02:57 < zyp> wouldn't*
2017-03-21T01:04:33 < Thorn> user is not supposed to touch it
2017-03-21T01:04:53 < Thorn> it is technically accessible since there is no case
2017-03-21T01:05:33 < Thorn> but say a +12V wire touching the ground net would be far more devastating
2017-03-21T01:06:15 < zyp> if there's no case, what's to prevent anyone from fondling the chip legs?
2017-03-21T01:06:49 < zyp> i.e.: eh, fuck it
2017-03-21T01:06:58 < Thorn> right
2017-03-21T01:07:39 < zyp> protection on usb might still be worth it though, since cables may carry built up charge
2017-03-21T01:08:10 < zyp> I mean, that's the main reason usb esd protection is a thing
2017-03-21T01:10:07 < englishman> yeah and all in one usb esd ICs are tiny and cheap
2017-03-21T01:10:20 < englishman> peace of mind
2017-03-21T01:10:44 < englishman> esd damage is permanent and cumulative
2017-03-21T01:11:29 < Thorn> I already added one
2017-03-21T01:11:31 < zyp> I don't have it on arcin though, and I haven't had any reported ESD deaths across half a thousand sold boards so far
2017-03-21T01:11:47 < Thorn> don't want my beloved dwc_otg to die
2017-03-21T01:15:36 < englishman> zyp im pretty sure none of dong's 100k+ flight controller shits have failed esd either
2017-03-21T01:15:56 < englishman> yolo at your own risk
2017-03-21T01:16:40 < zyp> hehe
2017-03-21T01:17:12 < zyp> I did put it on this industry controller thing I made for work before though
2017-03-21T01:17:17 < zyp> and I'm putting it on the EV stuff
2017-03-21T01:23:57 < kakimir> :)
2017-03-21T01:25:13 < Thorn> usb connectors in dicktrace have silkscreen outlines that extend past the board edge
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2017-03-21T01:37:09 < upgrdman> dongs, you around?
2017-03-21T01:37:32 < upgrdman> or any other jap / cn person
2017-03-21T01:37:50 < stm32> chinese japanese dirty knees look at these
2017-03-21T01:43:43 < Steffanx> Where is the joke crt?
2017-03-21T01:45:38 < Thorn> I can't believe the end is near http://imgur.com/a/LEJHn
2017-03-21T01:47:16 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V56DiadYoU Laurenceb_ 
2017-03-21T01:49:41 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFRLtwH8jlY another
2017-03-21T01:51:22 < stm32> good morning steffan
2017-03-21T01:52:39 < stm32> Thorn: i like the traces for the decoupling caps
2017-03-21T01:53:15 < stm32> i think its pretty
2017-03-21T01:53:55 < Thorn> what's special about them
2017-03-21T02:02:23 < Laurenceb_> ur mum
2017-03-21T02:03:02 < Laurenceb_> special due to the extra chromosome
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2017-03-21T02:29:06 < upgrdman> Thorn, not sure if this is what stm32 was implying, but I would try to connect those caps to the pins directly, not with vias. or at least directly + vias to planes. to reduce parasitic inductance.
2017-03-21T02:29:34 < upgrdman> but its not a big deal for most things, so it should be fine anyway.
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2017-03-21T02:30:45 < Thorn> you mean ground connections? Vdd is connected directly
2017-03-21T02:33:13 < Thorn> I think I can connect a few ground pins to caps
2017-03-21T02:38:35 < upgrdman> ya both. vdd and gnd are equally important
2017-03-21T02:44:13 < dongs> upgrdman: sup dongs
2017-03-21T02:45:03 < upgrdman> dongs, in english we can emphasize text with all caps, or bold, or italics. how do the jap emphasize text? i never see bold or italics, and i dont think they have capital letters?
2017-03-21T02:46:04 < dongs> good question. they don't really. 
2017-03-21T02:46:10 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-03-21T02:46:53 < dongs> sometimes stuff that has a different meaning from the typical reading of the kanji will have reading on top of it, and thats kinda like emphasis, and sometimes stuff will be written out in katakana to stand out 
2017-03-21T02:47:20 < dongs> but yeah i dont think i've ever seen italics or similar type shit in normal jap writing
2017-03-21T02:47:31 < dongs> underline maybe?
2017-03-21T02:48:00 < dongs> hm now that I think more, Iv'e seen dots over important letters in a sentence in shit like movie subtitles
2017-03-21T02:48:29 < upgrdman> k
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2017-03-21T02:57:23 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOHAdfyRUI8 #americanproblems
2017-03-21T02:57:24 < Thorn> ok ground pins are now connected to caps and have vias on both sides
2017-03-21T02:58:25 < Thorn> this shit is more insidious https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/10/despite-mits-decision-delete-walter-lewins-lecture-videos-live
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2017-03-21T03:08:40 < stm32> i think its pretty
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2017-03-21T03:20:04 < stm32> it's very pretty
2017-03-21T03:34:38 < dongs> autism?
2017-03-21T03:51:30 < Thorn> what do I use to measure currents up to 50A @5VDC (if not more)
2017-03-21T03:52:20 < PeterM> whatever you want
2017-03-21T03:53:50 < Thorn> it'll blow up
2017-03-21T03:54:43 < PeterM> what kidna accuracy/bandwidth do oyu need?
2017-03-21T03:54:56 < Thorn> DC, 1%
2017-03-21T03:55:11 < jadew> a piece of wire
2017-03-21T03:55:29 < PeterM> well sicne you're measureing dc, jsut assume the current is zero...
2017-03-21T03:55:39 < PeterM> because thats what the current is
2017-03-21T03:55:44 < PeterM> and you said its dc
2017-03-21T03:55:50 < PeterM> so its not gonna change right
2017-03-21T03:56:26 < Thorn> Joule and Lenz would disagree
2017-03-21T03:56:31 < PeterM> or you mean dc like "hurr durr like 30khz"
2017-03-21T03:57:31 < jadew> why assume it to be 0?
2017-03-21T03:58:06 < PeterM> well he didnt say 1/100hz bandwidth, he said dc bandwidth
2017-03-21T03:58:10 < PeterM> so no change
2017-03-21T03:58:18 < PeterM> and sicne currently, when its not plugtged in
2017-03-21T03:58:24 < PeterM> there is no current flow
2017-03-21T03:58:34 < PeterM> no change from, no current is none still
2017-03-21T03:58:55 < Thorn> what about 1/f noise
2017-03-21T03:59:09 < jadew> Thorn, why can't you use a wire?
2017-03-21T04:00:20 < Thorn> I guess I'll have to use some kind of shunt
2017-03-21T04:00:29 < Thorn> wire or not
2017-03-21T04:00:40 < jadew> at 50A, it's going to be a wire
2017-03-21T04:00:44 < jadew> thick too
2017-03-21T04:02:54 < Thorn> I'll have to measure voltage drop at different points anyway with this kind of U and I
2017-03-21T04:03:25 < Thorn> to avoid dropping 3V somewhere
2017-03-21T04:03:38 < jadew> 0.1 Ohms will give you 5V drop :)
2017-03-21T04:05:18 < Thorn> exactly
2017-03-21T04:08:11 < PeterM> 1mohm will be 2.,5w dissiption
2017-03-21T04:08:14 < jadew> hmm, I measured some wire recently, but I don't know where I put the notes
2017-03-21T04:09:13 < PeterM> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/allegro-microsystems-llc/ACS781KLRTR-150U-T/620-1851-1-ND/6677748 these are a pretty decent solution if you dfotn want the voltage drop
2017-03-21T04:10:49 < jadew> with a short and thick enough shunt, you wouldn't get much drop
2017-03-21T04:11:35 < PeterM> while that is true, then you start getting issues with voltage level output and heat dissipation
2017-03-21T04:13:42 < dongs> heh those ACS t hings are pro
2017-03-21T04:14:02 < dongs> you shoulda picked a link with a photo
2017-03-21T04:14:06 < dongs> they have hueg fat legs
2017-03-21T04:14:26 < dongs> ah there's 200A one with a pic below
2017-03-21T04:14:31 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/allegro-microsystems-llc/ACS758ECB-200B-PFF-T/620-1323-ND/2042748
2017-03-21T04:14:35 < jadew> they have a photo in the datasheet
2017-03-21T04:14:36 < PeterM> a 2512 resistor is rated for like 3w tops, 2w nominal, but even at that 2w you're gonna get a hell of a lot of drift
2017-03-21T04:14:47 < dongs> jadew: who teh fuck reads datasheets
2017-03-21T04:14:53 < dongs> in this channel
2017-03-21T04:14:56 < dongs> jadew: hows your dickstarter
2017-03-21T04:15:05 < Thorn> nice package
2017-03-21T04:15:23 < PeterM> at 1mohm 50a, thats 2.5w dissipation youre not gonna do it in 2512 if you want meaning ful results
2017-03-21T04:15:38 < jadew> dongs, abandoned for the time being, also not a dickstarter
2017-03-21T04:15:54 < englishman> Thorn: i use 0.0005ohm resistors and some cheap sensor ic
2017-03-21T04:16:04 < jadew> focusing on my main project atm and just filling in the spare time with simpler projects
2017-03-21T04:16:06 < englishman> or at only 50A theres cheap hall effect sensors
2017-03-21T04:16:13 < Thorn> current sense amp?
2017-03-21T04:16:19 < englishman> yeah
2017-03-21T04:16:23 < PeterM> 0.0005ohm is still 1.25w
2017-03-21T04:16:30 < englishman> yea even the small ones are 3W rated
2017-03-21T04:16:57 < PeterM> and like $2 ea for a reisistor
2017-03-21T04:17:01 < englishman> nah
2017-03-21T04:17:02 < englishman> like 2c
2017-03-21T04:17:03 < Thorn> where do I get the wire that is used for those spiral shunts in PSUs?
2017-03-21T04:17:16 < jadew> Thorn, any copper wire
2017-03-21T04:17:18 < englishman> i used these in some oneoff trash http://www.allegromicro.com/en/Products/Current-Sensor-ICs/Zero-To-Fifty-Amp-Integrated-Conductor-Sensor-ICs.aspx
2017-03-21T04:17:27 < englishman> bit spendier
2017-03-21T04:17:39 < englishman> bu 5V @50A sounds like fun
2017-03-21T04:18:45 < englishman> there are small smt ones for <50A not like the larger ones linked in digikey
2017-03-21T04:19:02 < jadew> Thorn, 16 AWG wire is ~ 1mOhm per 10 cm
2017-03-21T04:20:52 < Thorn> looks like a dickstarter worthy project. the first ever ammeter/toaster on the market
2017-03-21T04:21:18 < englishman> @5VDC no less, achieved by paralleling used raspberripi power adapters
2017-03-21T04:25:21 < Thorn> actually used mean well PSUs
2017-03-21T04:25:29 < Thorn> got a box of them for $10 today
2017-03-21T04:28:24 < stm32> sweet score
2017-03-21T04:28:37 < stm32> couple a farken digitals
2017-03-21T04:31:10 < Thorn> PeterM: btw that opamp is pretty nice (at least on paper)
2017-03-21T04:31:25 < dongs> thorn, why arent you just using that ACS thing
2017-03-21T04:32:14 < Thorn> I probably will if I can get it for digikey price
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2017-03-21T04:35:09 < stm32> i would like to see that operational amplifier
2017-03-21T04:35:30 < dongs> when thorn tries to use it it'll be a non-operational amplifier
2017-03-21T04:35:37 < dongs> as he tries to ghetto together 50A current measuring circuit
2017-03-21T04:35:40 < dongs> instead of just buying that ACS thing
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2017-03-21T04:36:55 < stm32> :}
2017-03-21T04:37:47 < stm32> those do look nice
2017-03-21T04:38:22 < stm32> good isolation voltage
2017-03-21T04:40:26 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/IPVF9s0.gifv lmao chink helmet
2017-03-21T04:40:49 < stm32> oops
2017-03-21T04:41:59 < englishman> nice camera work
2017-03-21T04:43:44 < jadew> looks like the helmet did its job
2017-03-21T04:43:52 < jadew> I think the flying plastic is from the bike
2017-03-21T04:44:05 < jadew> and he's probably just knocked out
2017-03-21T04:55:21 < dongs> QUICKLY ADD BLUETOOTH TO YOUR IOT APPLICATION [ SHOW ME HOW ]
2017-03-21T04:55:52 < Thorn> http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/106050/is-unicode-pile-of-poo-considered-nsfw
2017-03-21T04:58:53 < dongs> The.Secret.Of.NIMH.1982.1080p.BluRay.x264-HALCYON why would they make a movie about batteries
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2017-03-21T05:05:05 < dongs> https://www.neowin.net/news/a-developer-has-built-a-raspberry-pi-wristwatch-powered-by-windows-98 100% pure autism
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2017-03-21T05:27:23 < upgrdman> anyone used a 4g "home internet" service? i know they have data caps, but do they also tend to block servers? e.g. would they black hole :80 ?
2017-03-21T05:27:41 < dongs> on IPV4? good luck
2017-03-21T05:27:55 < upgrdman> ? is most 4g using ipv6?
2017-03-21T05:28:21 < dongs> pretty sure in 2017 most mobile shit would be NAT'd if you needed IPV4 due to lack of addreses
2017-03-21T05:29:08 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-03-21T05:29:11 < upgrdman> bummer
2017-03-21T05:29:25 < englishman> wat
2017-03-21T05:29:44 < upgrdman> my isp keeps rising prices. kinda wanna rage quit and use 4g for a few months, then rejoin at new subscriber price
2017-03-21T05:29:56 < upgrdman> and my isp has a monopoly on wired service here
2017-03-21T05:30:02 < englishman> ive never seen an isp-assigned ipv6, no isps even offer that as a paid option
2017-03-21T05:30:35 < englishman> holy shit just tried it on lte and its ipv6 when did this happen
2017-03-21T05:30:41 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-21T05:30:52 < englishman> like last week it was ipv4
2017-03-21T05:31:59 < jadew> we got IPv6 a month or so ago
2017-03-21T05:32:20 < upgrdman> i wonder how much data i use at home per month
2017-03-21T05:32:21 < dongs> < englishman> holy shit just tried it on lte and its ipv6 when did this happen
2017-03-21T05:32:22 < dongs> LOL
2017-03-21T05:32:30 < upgrdman> maybe i can just be super lazy and tether to my phone when at home
2017-03-21T05:32:40 < upgrdman> i wouldnt be able to run my shit web server, but fuck it
2017-03-21T05:36:54 < jadew> 3rd world problems
2017-03-21T05:37:11 < jadew> this is how we do it: http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6148325961
2017-03-21T05:37:46 < upgrdman> jadew, nice
2017-03-21T05:38:38 < jadew> you should become an ISP
2017-03-21T05:39:01 < jadew> that's how it started in here
2017-03-21T05:39:02 < upgrdman> jadew, me:  http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6148329436    and i now pay $65/month for this shit
2017-03-21T05:39:32 < jadew> lots of small businesses got business connections from the big ISPs and resold them
2017-03-21T05:39:45 < jadew> that drove the prices down quickly
2017-03-21T05:40:02 < upgrdman> surprised the isp's didnt just rape the small businesses
2017-03-21T05:40:13 < jadew> they eventually did
2017-03-21T05:40:40 < jadew> which is why now we have gigabit connections for $12, TV included
2017-03-21T05:40:49 < jadew> and unlimited mobile internet
2017-03-21T05:41:17 < jadew> all the small guys went out of business, but the prices remained
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2017-03-21T06:01:25 < stm32> yeah mate here's 4 turntables without faults for you to fix
2017-03-21T06:01:28 < stm32> yeah thanks
2017-03-21T06:03:37 < englishman> it works fine but its not perfect
2017-03-21T06:05:36 < stm32> shitty headshell without gold plated contacts
2017-03-21T06:10:42 < stm32> heaps good
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2017-03-21T07:33:58 < ohsix> sup, this is great http://www.npr.org/event/music/519418207/tank-and-the-bangas-tiny-desk-concert
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2017-03-21T08:11:56 < dongs> oo shit
2017-03-21T08:12:03 < dongs> the guy who crashed in alaska few weeks ago
2017-03-21T08:12:06 < dongs> his plane was full of drugs lol
2017-03-21T08:13:36 < dongs> http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php/208208-Nome-Alaska-plane-crash-drugs
2017-03-21T08:27:19 < dongs> haha since when does retarduino have a web IDE
2017-03-21T08:27:21 < dongs> and why
2017-03-21T08:27:30 < upgrdman> do they?
2017-03-21T08:27:34 < dongs> https://create.arduino.cc/editor
2017-03-21T08:27:35 < dongs> yes
2017-03-21T08:27:39 < upgrdman> lol, htf do you program from web
2017-03-21T08:27:45 < dongs> thats what im wondering
2017-03-21T08:27:50 < dongs> unless they did some chrome app serial access thing
2017-03-21T08:27:57 < dongs> ARDUINO WEB EDITOR
2017-03-21T08:27:57 < dongs> Start coding online with the Arduino Web Editor, save your sketches in the cloud, and always have the most up-to-date version of the IDE, including all the contributed libraries and support for new Arduino boards. The Arduino Web Editor is one of the Arduino Create platform's tools. 
2017-03-21T08:28:15 < dongs> needs an account so im not gonna bother just to find out
2017-03-21T08:28:57 < englishman> only 9 months till chrome apps are dead
2017-03-21T08:29:03 < dongs> yep
2017-03-21T08:29:10 < englishman> cant wait
2017-03-21T08:29:11 < dongs> meanwhile AMP still cannot be disabled from search results
2017-03-21T08:29:24 < dongs> what do you think will happen first
2017-03-21T08:29:26 < dongs> AMP kill switch
2017-03-21T08:29:29 < dongs> or chrome apps dead
2017-03-21T08:29:44 < englishman> dono, why not use duckduckgo like a modern gentleman
2017-03-21T08:29:49 < upgrdman> apps == extension ?
2017-03-21T08:30:06 < upgrdman> or are apps closer to metal
2017-03-21T08:30:41 < dongs> extensions yes
2017-03-21T08:30:53 < upgrdman> chrome is killing off extensions?
2017-03-21T08:31:08 < dongs> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/apps
2017-03-21T08:31:10 < dongs> anything in here i guess
2017-03-21T08:31:24 < dongs> https://developer.chrome.com/apps/about_apps
2017-03-21T08:31:29 < upgrdman> o ok good, so i can keep my ABP
2017-03-21T08:31:41 < dongs> did you know?
2017-03-21T08:31:50 < dongs> AMP is actually teh reason, because of people like you who block ads
2017-03-21T08:31:58 < dongs> now that they're serving ads from google.com domain
2017-03-21T08:32:08 < dongs> instead of some doublecuck.com shit
2017-03-21T08:32:23 < upgrdman> dongs, why would google use amp to help the other web sites ads
2017-03-21T08:32:32 < dongs> becauase google gets paid for those ads
2017-03-21T08:32:46 < dongs> https://www.ampproject.org/support/faqs/supported-platforms
2017-03-21T08:32:56 < dongs> see the 'ads' supported platforms inteh list?
2017-03-21T08:33:01 < upgrdman> well im sure ABP will adapt
2017-03-21T08:33:02 < dongs> its bigger than any other category on that page
2017-03-21T08:33:09 < upgrdman> i dont see ANY ads
2017-03-21T08:33:14 < upgrdman> except for some shit on Youku, lol
2017-03-21T08:33:15 < englishman> they dont even go past C on the category names
2017-03-21T08:33:22 < englishman> cuz all the users are in Ads
2017-03-21T08:35:27 < dongs> englishman: did you see the drugs lols
2017-03-21T08:35:47 < dongs> (i only found that forum after first hand report from the dude who went to the plane and found teh stuff there)
2017-03-21T08:36:09 < dongs> didnt know Nome was full of heroin addicts
2017-03-21T08:36:29 < englishman> yeah silliness
2017-03-21T08:36:36 < englishman> dono about heroin tho
2017-03-21T08:36:49 < englishman> china synthetics way more potent and profitable
2017-03-21T08:37:05 < englishman> should have just kept it to "drugs"
2017-03-21T08:37:38 < englishman> then again never assume malice where incompetence will suffice
2017-03-21T08:37:42 < dongs> i would't know i dont do drugs
2017-03-21T08:38:11 < englishman> http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/air-traffic-controller-gave-four-warnings-before-fatal-midair-collision-in-st-bruno-1.3329546
2017-03-21T08:38:16 < englishman> chinese ruining it for everyone
2017-03-21T08:39:17 < dongs> oh was that the one that crashed into a mall a while ago
2017-03-21T08:39:22 < englishman> yea
2017-03-21T08:39:24 < englishman> two of em
2017-03-21T08:39:28 < dongs> i think i read something about the mall crash but didnt know that was 2 planes
2017-03-21T08:41:08 < englishman> china student didnt speak a word of the local language and rammed into another trainer
2017-03-21T08:41:28 < englishman> despite numerous warnings from control
2017-03-21T08:41:38 < dongs> haha
2017-03-21T08:43:35 < ABLomas> :/
2017-03-21T08:43:58 < PeterM> bing dang ow
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2017-03-21T08:50:14 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-21T08:50:32 < ohsix> heheh reading this later is funny 22:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, thats the problem. i dont want to fake it. i want like real snake motion
2017-03-21T08:50:58 < upgrdman> heh
2017-03-21T08:52:38 < upgrdman> yo
2017-03-21T08:53:31 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-21T08:53:43 < ohsix> did you watch tank and the bangers
2017-03-21T08:53:47 < ohsix> bangas
2017-03-21T08:53:48 < ohsix> oof
2017-03-21T08:53:53 < ohsix> its' good stuff
2017-03-21T08:54:15 < dongs> is this arizona
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2017-03-21T08:57:20 < upgrdman> shit i need this for the next time i have to take the subway in shanghai   http://i.imgur.com/mjOMfhP.jpg
2017-03-21T08:57:40 < dongs> is that to protect from rape
2017-03-21T08:58:11 < ohsix> what part of that image do you need
2017-03-21T08:58:36 < ohsix> my nerd juice is running low
2017-03-21T08:58:43 < ohsix> could barely read some assembly listings earlier
2017-03-21T08:58:56 < PeterM> personal space probs
2017-03-21T08:59:24 < upgrdman> dongs, no to protect your personal space
2017-03-21T09:00:21 < upgrdman> dongs, in shanghai at least, it seems like the motto of the subway should be: "people are a compressible fluid"
2017-03-21T09:00:37 < ohsix> what is personal space
2017-03-21T09:01:10 < ohsix> i've only heard it used as an excuse to be a dick, impersonal contact or lack of space is a fact of life
2017-03-21T09:01:17 < dongs> upgrdman: o yeah saw anothe street pissing befoer i left
2017-03-21T09:01:20 < dongs> so that makes it 2 in a week
2017-03-21T09:01:23 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-21T09:01:46 < dongs> and keep in mind, i was only out like 2-3 times a day for 15-30 minutes max
2017-03-21T09:01:54 < upgrdman> haha
2017-03-21T09:01:56 < ohsix> http://emojipedia.org/
2017-03-21T09:02:12 < ohsix> a pal i visited in sf said people shit on the streets
2017-03-21T09:02:22 < ohsix> was kind of disappointed i didn't see any before i left
2017-03-21T09:02:31 < dongs> there are no japs in china
2017-03-21T09:02:52 < stm32> chinese kill japs on sight
2017-03-21T09:05:34 < dongs> sounds liek youve been watching too much porn
2017-03-21T09:05:56 < upgrdman> dongs, so did you have to drink any of that aweful Nongfu Springs bottled water
2017-03-21T09:06:05 < dongs> nah
2017-03-21T09:06:10 < upgrdman> lucky
2017-03-21T09:06:25 < upgrdman> it's the first bottled water i've found that tastes WORSE than tap water
2017-03-21T09:06:26 < dongs> actualyl i donno there was no problems with any food/drink stuff
2017-03-21T09:06:33 < dongs> gookpal went to china and bitched how all teh food was shit and wahtever
2017-03-21T09:06:37 < dongs> but i had no problems.
2017-03-21T09:06:51 < upgrdman> cool
2017-03-21T09:07:36 < dongs> haha well, we went to one superfancy place for lunch that looked liek a wedding hall and thta ended up being $100 for 2 people but everything else was around 8-16$ or something for two
2017-03-21T09:07:47 < upgrdman> R2COM, me? i never had "problems" with cn food, i just dont like the taste of it.
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2017-03-21T09:08:31 < upgrdman> well i take that back. in the 5 or 6 months i've spent in shanghai, i think i got the shits twice
2017-03-21T09:09:08 < dongs> upgrdman: youve been tehre 5-6 months total over some period?
2017-03-21T09:09:12 < upgrdman> but im born and raised in the first world, so im not used to filth. my fault i guess.
2017-03-21T09:09:20 < dongs> lols
2017-03-21T09:09:38 < upgrdman> dongs, total. but only as 50-60 consecutive day periods.
2017-03-21T09:09:44 < dongs> yea man when iw as in north china the dumb driver took a wrong turn on teh way to airport and... holy fuck
2017-03-21T09:09:55 < dongs> an actual dirt road that was full of potholes and shit
2017-03-21T09:10:01 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-21T09:10:01 < dongs> looked liek some wasteland from fallout
2017-03-21T09:10:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, western food.
2017-03-21T09:10:13 < dongs> half-broken bridge in the middle of it and shit
2017-03-21T09:10:22 < dongs> hey i ate chink KFC for breakfast once
2017-03-21T09:10:28 < dongs> PANINI or something
2017-03-21T09:10:52 < upgrdman> R2COM, pizza hut, kfc, mcdonalds, carls jr, burger king, pasta mania, etc.
2017-03-21T09:11:11 < upgrdman> shrugs. i like it.
2017-03-21T09:11:44 < PeterM> it tastes ediblew, but i wouldnt call it the pinnicle of food by any means
2017-03-21T09:12:09 < upgrdman> ya i know. im a picky eater, there's not much that i like.
2017-03-21T09:12:19 < upgrdman> but whatever. im happy. fuck the haters ;)
2017-03-21T09:12:52 < PeterM> yeah man, and your work has health insurance so who cares
2017-03-21T09:14:09 < upgrdman> R2COM, in china? several times. and i hate it. every time i got to cn we have some big company dinner, and it's a fancy ass "hall" like dongs mentioned. expensive shit, lots of weird animals, etc. the locals love it... and i need a mouthful of drink to swallow the shit.
2017-03-21T09:14:39 < upgrdman> also china loves those big ass lazy susan thinggy in the middle of the table
2017-03-21T09:14:42 < dongs> one thing that kinda pissed me off is rice is extra with a lot of shit
2017-03-21T09:15:02 < dongs> like we went to some fucking place that had 30+ items all starting with "beef" on the menu
2017-03-21T09:15:05 < dongs> and no rice
2017-03-21T09:15:09 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-21T09:15:16 < dongs> how the fuck do you just fucking eat meat and nothing else wiht it
2017-03-21T09:15:17 < dongs> !??!!
2017-03-21T09:15:23 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-03-21T09:15:37 < upgrdman> and wtf is it with them serving the head of the cooked animal with the rest of it. 
2017-03-21T09:15:52 < upgrdman> like a chicken, with the fucking burnt ass head staring me in the eye
2017-03-21T09:15:57 < upgrdman> and pig like that too
2017-03-21T09:16:09 < upgrdman> and pigeon
2017-03-21T09:16:17 < PaulFertser> Get what you deserve filthy corpse eaters.
2017-03-21T09:16:19 < upgrdman> but at last pigeon tastes alright.
2017-03-21T09:16:28 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, you a veg?
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2017-03-21T09:17:10 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/9OB12BS.gif
2017-03-21T09:17:18 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: no, I'm lacto-ovo-vegeterian. But I sort of agree with R2COM that the common western-style fast-food is not a healthy diet.
2017-03-21T09:17:56 < PeterM> most fast food in genral isnt healthy
2017-03-21T09:18:26 < PeterM> <RR2COM> not except dick
2017-03-21T09:18:32 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I mean there're apparently some reasonably scientific results that suggest that the most common dishes served by the places you mention shouldn't be what one eats every day. 
2017-03-21T09:18:42 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, well ya
2017-03-21T09:18:53 < upgrdman> that wasnt all i ate, lol
2017-03-21T09:18:53 < dongs> wat why would you care about pork
2017-03-21T09:18:55 < dongs> are y ou a muslim
2017-03-21T09:19:29 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/1L1GKTP.jpg
2017-03-21T09:19:57 < PaulFertser> I think the smarter the animal, the more sympathy I have for it. So eating dogs and pigs somehow feels more cruel and inappropriate than eating chicken or fish.
2017-03-21T09:20:28 < PeterM> man i feel like fish arent even animals with how dumb they are
2017-03-21T09:20:49 < PaulFertser> Bio-robots :)
2017-03-21T09:21:04 < PeterM> oretty much'
2017-03-21T09:21:20 < PeterM> yeah lamb, veal, venison
2017-03-21T09:24:30 < upgrdman> R2COM, so what you saying is we should sneak up on cows and BOOM HEADSHOT them
2017-03-21T09:24:59 < upgrdman> or like 50BMG from a mile away
2017-03-21T09:26:19 < dongs> lol
2017-03-21T09:26:29 < dongs> how about some stm32 projects, bros
2017-03-21T09:26:35 < zyp> sup?
2017-03-21T09:26:53 < upgrdman> stm32-controlled cattle prod
2017-03-21T09:27:00 < zyp> dongs, did you see my tweet yesterday about cables for arcin?
2017-03-21T09:27:10 < dongs> i saw the tweet, was that an order to make more?
2017-03-21T09:27:25 < zyp> it'll be once I figure out how many I want
2017-03-21T09:27:29 < dongs> sure thing
2017-03-21T09:27:33 < dongs> just make 500 more
2017-03-21T09:27:37 < dongs> who cares, they're so cheap
2017-03-21T09:28:05 < zyp> yeah, and maybe some of the others too
2017-03-21T09:28:32 < dongs> arcin was the shit wiht 'fast' connector or somethign rihgt
2017-03-21T09:28:36 < PaulFertser> zyp: so far your suggestion to try HSI was the best. Despite no obvious flaws in the layout. Thank you very much.
2017-03-21T09:28:53 < zyp> dongs, yeah
2017-03-21T09:29:02 < dongs> what are the 'others'?
2017-03-21T09:29:08 < dongs> for lesd?
2017-03-21T09:29:10 < dongs> er leds
2017-03-21T09:29:20 < zyp> the mirrored XH-XH ones
2017-03-21T09:29:26 < zyp> I'm almost out of them too
2017-03-21T09:29:35 < PaulFertser> karlp: I was talking about some board at work that was hardfaulting due to invalid instruction at random time, so I wasn't glitching anything on purpose, but the results were similar.
2017-03-21T09:29:41 < zyp> and then there's the XH-ZH ones, but I'm not sure I need more of those
2017-03-21T09:30:17 < zyp> PaulFertser, that's interesting
2017-03-21T09:30:34 < dongs> zyp, ok, its all shit youve ordered before right?
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2017-03-21T09:30:42 < zyp> PaulFertser, and with HSE it just glitches and hardfaults, not revert to HSI?
2017-03-21T09:31:20 < zyp> dongs, yeah, I can look up the old email threads if you'd like
2017-03-21T09:31:29 < dongs> kk. whenever you figure out counts/wahtever
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2017-03-21T09:32:45 < zyp> hmm, according to my count, I have one left over of the XH-XH ones and 35 of the XH-ZH ones
2017-03-21T09:32:56 < PaulFertser> zyp: apparently, yes. It's too rare (was about once every morning in our lab on HSE for 3 days; not even once on HSI for two days in our lab) to say for sure, but yes, I saw it stopped with invalid instruction, not just osc fail, reverting to HSI. HSI is not an option for production because it needs to talk RS-485 over a wide temperature range but good for pinpointing in lab conditions.
2017-03-21T09:33:12 < PaulFertser> zyp: I'll share the layout when I'm next time at work.
2017-03-21T09:33:48 < dongs> hm.
2017-03-21T09:33:59 < dongs> PaulFertser: thts weird, but doesnt stm have some clock security shit where it wil lautomatically fall back
2017-03-21T09:34:03 < zyp> dongs, oh, haha, found invoice from last time, I didn't remember they were _that_ cheap
2017-03-21T09:34:12 < dongs> zyp, yes thats what i mean
2017-03-21T09:34:48 < PaulFertser> dongs: it should, yes. So far it's just a theory, I've too little statistics to say for sure, it's being tested at another place where the hangs are more often, so we'll see.
2017-03-21T09:35:08 < dongs> is it glitching due to -40C temps ors omething?
2017-03-21T09:36:18 < zyp> dongs, okay, I'll do 500 then, also 100 each of XH-XH and XH-ZH
2017-03-21T09:36:19 < PaulFertser> Nope, just regular lab temperature.
2017-03-21T09:37:03 < dongs> do you have a title for old email with pics?
2017-03-21T09:37:27 < zyp> "wires", from around dec14/jan15
2017-03-21T09:37:34 < zyp> there's two threads, both named that
2017-03-21T09:37:43 < zyp> for the different kinds
2017-03-21T09:37:44 < dongs> got it
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2017-03-21T09:50:11 < dongs> zyp, fast shit was 30cm?
2017-03-21T09:50:47 < zyp> they all were
2017-03-21T09:50:51 < dongs> ok
2017-03-21T09:54:32 < dongs> hm i only hacev one jst.png
2017-03-21T09:54:40 < dongs> is ZH and XH same pinout?
2017-03-21T09:58:20 < zyp> same pinout on plug end, yes
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2017-03-21T09:58:43 < zyp> hmm, let me see if I have pics
2017-03-21T10:02:02 < dongs> i ahve jst.png only i donno if i have completedp ics
2017-03-21T10:03:03 < zyp> give me a couple of minutes and I'll get you one
2017-03-21T10:06:29 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/E6Agk.jpg
2017-03-21T10:07:51 < dongs> cool
2017-03-21T10:07:58 < Steffanx> How much does dongs ask for 500 cables like that (both)?
2017-03-21T10:08:21 < zyp> Steffanx, this shit is in the $.1-$.2 range
2017-03-21T10:08:28 < zyp> each
2017-03-21T10:08:52 < dongs> my invoice shows that
2017-03-21T10:08:57 < dongs> shipping was more than the wire ocst
2017-03-21T10:09:03 < dongs> for the ZH/XH shits
2017-03-21T10:09:12 < zyp> yeah, saw
2017-03-21T10:09:13 < zyp> haha
2017-03-21T10:09:36 < dongs> and almost same for the FAST shits too
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2017-03-21T10:13:19 < dongs> https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radDocs/idposter.pdf
2017-03-21T10:15:04 < dongs> i think for shipping better do agent dhl/fedex shit
2017-03-21T10:15:05 < upgrdman> my current favorite reaction gif    http://i.imgur.com/8bfLmri.gif
2017-03-21T10:15:07 < dongs> should be half if not less
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2017-03-21T10:18:25 < Steffanx> Oh thats not too bad :)
2017-03-21T10:18:49 < Steffanx> @ cables
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2017-03-21T10:19:09 < dongs> we all knew you werent talking about retarded 'reaction gif'
2017-03-21T10:19:13 < dongs> who teh fuck thinks that shit is funny
2017-03-21T10:19:39 < dongs> pepe the frog more like Laurenceb the dong
2017-03-21T10:19:40 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-03-21T11:58:42 < dongs> zyp, got quote back
2017-03-21T11:58:46 < dongs> its ~same from waht i can see
2017-03-21T11:59:14 < dongs> 140 without shipping
2017-03-21T11:59:18 < dongs> for 500/100/100
2017-03-21T11:59:34 < zyp> ah, nice, just tell them to go ahead then
2017-03-21T11:59:53 < zyp> no reason to wait, given that I've already sold some :p
2017-03-21T11:59:58 < dongs> okay
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2017-03-21T12:00:22 < dongs> 6 days .
2017-03-21T12:01:03 < zyp> to make, then shipping?
2017-03-21T12:01:17 < dongs> y
2017-03-21T12:01:22 < zyp> cool
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2017-03-21T12:05:32 < dongs> holy shit
2017-03-21T12:05:37 < dongs> nintendo funds ISIS
2017-03-21T12:06:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/TdRI0BA.jpg
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2017-03-21T12:18:55 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-21T12:19:32 < Steffanx> We already know jappies like suicide bombers
2017-03-21T12:35:19 < karlp> PaulFertser: what wide temp range is breaking rs485 on HSI? (or, what baud rate are you at that you're that sensitive?)
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2017-03-21T12:38:34 < PaulFertser> karlp: I think baud rate doesn't matter, but it's usually assumed that 2% is the maximum sane tolarance for UART, and HSI can't provide that.
2017-03-21T12:39:57 < karlp> HSI is +_ 1% out of the box, and -1.5 extra +1 for temp range.
2017-03-21T12:40:07 < karlp> sounds like it should work flawlessly 
2017-03-21T12:42:04 < PaulFertser> Hm...
2017-03-21T12:46:53 < stm32> yeah mate
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2017-03-21T12:55:51 < PaulFertser> karlp: so -2% -- +2.5%, should be enough for UART indeed. But now I got a report that in other lab this HSI firmware hangs too... 
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2017-03-21T12:56:00 < Thorn> is Vdss=20V enough for switching 12V? (potentially with load at the end of a relatively long cable)
2017-03-21T12:56:56 < stm32> an internal screamer
2017-03-21T13:08:02 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/help-with-this/
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2017-03-21T13:12:24 < stm32> 30 bucks
2017-03-21T13:12:27 < stm32> lollllllllllllllllllll
2017-03-21T13:14:14 < dongs> my fav was 'lowest bid plz'
2017-03-21T13:14:43 < stm32> munted
2017-03-21T13:15:01 < ReadError> stm32: did u get ur paki codes yet from spirit ?
2017-03-21T13:15:12 < stm32> eh?
2017-03-21T13:15:17 < stm32> english please
2017-03-21T13:15:24 < dongs> i think hes talking about t
2017-03-21T13:15:25 < dongs> that old shit
2017-03-21T13:15:29 < dongs> some IR camera junk
2017-03-21T13:15:33 < stm32> ah
2017-03-21T13:16:30 < stm32> yeah fuck those pakis
2017-03-21T13:16:57 < stm32> i've been too busy working on duds
2017-03-21T13:17:29 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/threed-design/pcb-design-BLE-arduino-LED/
2017-03-21T13:17:31 < dongs> god damn why
2017-03-21T13:17:44 < dongs> why is retarduino even involved
2017-03-21T13:17:53 < dongs> cuz there's single chip BLE trash that will blink a led
2017-03-21T13:18:43 < ReadError> lol people are retarded 
2017-03-21T13:18:49 < stm32> to me that sounds like some paki is trying to make a remotely detonated bomb
2017-03-21T13:18:52 < ReadError> probably some school project
2017-03-21T13:18:58 < ReadError> IoT
2017-03-21T13:19:10 < stm32> internet of explosives
2017-03-21T13:20:40 < stm32> what a fuck of a day
2017-03-21T13:21:19 < stm32> the assistant cock pirate drops off 7 or 8 repairs "yeah i did this and that and.... .. . . .. "
2017-03-21T13:21:20 < stm32> great.
2017-03-21T13:21:44 < stm32> "so you've fucked them up 10 times worse and need me to do something about it?"
2017-03-21T13:22:26 < dongs> pakilancer
2017-03-21T13:22:36 < dongs> you'[re basically step2 after he fucks up
2017-03-21T13:22:41 < dongs> but he still gets paid more than you do
2017-03-21T13:22:43 < dongs> how does that work
2017-03-21T13:23:01 < dongs> amirite y/y/y
2017-03-21T13:23:13 < stm32> lol
2017-03-21T13:23:18 < stm32> good question
2017-03-21T13:23:31 < stm32> case #1 - I JUST TURNED IT OFF AND PLUGGED IT IN AGAIN AND IT DIED
2017-03-21T13:23:44 < stm32> i open it up to find 3 FFC cables floating in mid air.
2017-03-21T13:24:08 < stm32> seems they just magically detach!
2017-03-21T13:24:19 < dongs> i fixed some dicks psp vita the other day
2017-03-21T13:24:25 < dongs> he brought it to me and like it doesnt turn on
2017-03-21T13:24:29 < stm32> yah
2017-03-21T13:24:39 < dongs> i open the shit up, there's like water / oxidation damage on one of hte fpcs
2017-03-21T13:24:42 < dongs> and another one is floating in air
2017-03-21T13:24:48 < dongs> "i tried to repair it before"
2017-03-21T13:24:49 < stm32>  \o/
2017-03-21T13:25:02 < dongs> pulled cable, wiped oxidation, plugged the other one back in, snapped it together, works
2017-03-21T13:25:05 < dongs> like 5 minutes of work
2017-03-21T13:25:36 < stm32> i got a warranty from senpioneer - 'ejects discs!!?!'. player is full of oil based hazer/fog shit
2017-03-21T13:26:39 < stm32> looks like the owner took a shit on it too
2017-03-21T13:27:17 < stm32> how did this get accepted for a warranty i'll never know
2017-03-21T13:28:15 < stm32> the funny bit about cock pirate was he explained how he had the unit apart and then told me he didn't take it apart and only plugged it in to discover it was dead.
2017-03-21T13:35:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/would-like-hire-Engineer-13472660/
2017-03-21T13:36:15 < dongs> what the actual fuck
2017-03-21T13:42:19 < stm32> do these freelancer nigger use a bot to jack up the amount of job posts or what?
2017-03-21T13:49:12 < karlp> I'll take TPL5110 for "things I didn't know existed, but seem interesting" for 1000 jim
2017-03-21T13:49:54 < dongs> wut
2017-03-21T13:50:15 < dongs> what doyou do with it
2017-03-21T13:50:21 < dongs> is that a soft-off-power-switch thing?
2017-03-21T13:51:26 < sync_> oh neat
2017-03-21T13:54:25 < dongs> well dont leave us hanging
2017-03-21T13:54:26 < dongs> why is it neat
2017-03-21T13:57:26 < sync_> because you can lower your idle current
2017-03-21T13:57:28 < zyp> cool
2017-03-21T13:57:34 < zyp> current consumption in nA range
2017-03-21T13:58:01 < dongs> sync, idle by turning everythingoff? sure
2017-03-21T13:58:05 < dongs> or does that like
2017-03-21T13:58:08 < dongs> periodically wake your shit up?
2017-03-21T13:58:21 < dongs> im to lame to read datasheet
2017-03-21T13:58:29 < zyp> seems to do periodic wakeup, yes
2017-03-21T13:58:38 < zyp> and 35nA consumption while asleep
2017-03-21T13:58:41 < dongs> right
2017-03-21T13:58:50 < dongs> mmh
2017-03-21T13:59:14 < dongs> maybe i can use that to combine arduino + ble + led
2017-03-21T13:59:14 < jadew> what are you playing with?
2017-03-21T13:59:20 < dongs> for that freecancer.
2017-03-21T13:59:52 < dongs> jadew: the link above
2017-03-21T14:00:04 < dongs> which awfully looks like a solution looking for a problem
2017-03-21T14:00:46 < jadew> there are only a bunch of freelancer links
2017-03-21T14:01:07 < dongs> < karlp> I'll take TPL5110 for "things I didn't know existed, but seem interesting" for 1000 jim
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2017-03-21T14:01:41 < jadew> thanks
2017-03-21T14:03:48 < emeryth> oh wow they even have a devboard for it
2017-03-21T14:04:58 < dongs> only 2 in stock at digijew, better hurry
2017-03-21T14:05:22 < jadew> how much?
2017-03-21T14:06:31 < dongs> donno like 0.90ea
2017-03-21T14:06:34 < dongs> i didnt look at evm price
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2017-03-21T14:11:02 < Steffanx> where is crt?
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2017-03-21T14:15:07 < Steffanx> \o/
2017-03-21T14:17:09 < Steffanx> Why that poor kitty has to be outside?
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2017-03-21T14:41:24 < Steffanx> ok
2017-03-21T14:43:49 < jadew> are you guys aware of some glue that can take high temperatures?
2017-03-21T14:43:56 < jadew> I want to glue some traces back to the PCB
2017-03-21T14:46:05 < dongs> how did you tear them off
2017-03-21T14:46:31 < jadew> it wasn't me, they're from a power amplifier, some components blew up
2017-03-21T14:47:07 < jadew> and they heat up so bad that the traces they were on got loose
2017-03-21T14:48:48 < jpa-> silicone, but that isn't suitable for your purpose
2017-03-21T14:48:51 < dongs> sounds liek a job for crt
2017-03-21T14:48:53 < Steffanx> crt is an expert in things like this.
2017-03-21T14:48:55 < Steffanx> ^^
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2017-03-21T14:49:03 < dongs> so uh
2017-03-21T14:49:05 < jpa-> i'd just superglue them back
2017-03-21T14:49:07 < dongs> if i wanted to do some modulations of stuff
2017-03-21T14:49:09 < dongs> in 5.8ghz
2017-03-21T14:49:13 < dongs> i think fsk or ask or so
2017-03-21T14:49:16 < dongs> does shit exist
2017-03-21T14:49:17 < dongs> similar to 2.4ghz
2017-03-21T14:49:50 < dongs> hm what was that ieeexplode leechign link
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2017-03-21T14:50:57 < dongs> oh its standardtized
2017-03-21T14:50:58 < dongs> DSRC
2017-03-21T14:51:27 < dongs> teledildonics
2017-03-21T14:51:51 < dongs> why no 5.8ghz shit like NRF24
2017-03-21T14:52:55 < jadew> jpa-, I tried to, but superglue sucks lately, I don't know if it's just in my country but I think they changed the formula
2017-03-21T14:53:08 < dongs> krazyglue
2017-03-21T14:53:09 < jadew> a couple of years back superglue was great, now it's shit
2017-03-21T14:53:23 < dongs> japs haev this superglue that if you sniff it
2017-03-21T14:53:27 < dongs> it fucks you up real bad
2017-03-21T14:53:41 < jadew> that's probably the kind I want
2017-03-21T14:53:58 < dongs> the new shit is odorless?
2017-03-21T14:55:00 < jadew> not really, but it doesn't dry too fast
2017-03-21T14:55:07 < jadew> you have to keep it there for half an hour or so
2017-03-21T14:55:18 < dongs> that sounds like you just have some wrong shit man
2017-03-21T14:55:24 < dongs> the stuff i have dries before it evne leaves the tube
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2017-03-21T14:55:35 < jadew> yeah, that's the one we used to have too
2017-03-21T14:56:10 < dongs> http://www.atmel.com/Images/doc4704s.pdf
2017-03-21T14:56:23 < dongs> er wut
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2017-03-21T15:22:46 < dongs> found crt's blog https://lilstevie.geek.nz/
2017-03-21T15:23:23 < dongs> https://twitter.com/littlesteve what the fuck 32k twats
2017-03-21T15:23:28 < dongs> do you even irc
2017-03-21T15:24:52 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJqEUg9dRzs dongs
2017-03-21T15:25:06 < dongs> not funny
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2017-03-21T15:25:35 < dongs> ok, moderately funny
2017-03-21T15:28:02 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJQbhP3N7w
2017-03-21T15:29:05 < kakimir> AIs are here
2017-03-21T15:29:33 < kakimir> like every big information techonoly company has their own rolling out at the moment
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2017-03-21T15:30:38 < englishman> have you tried nrf58
2017-03-21T15:31:13 < Steffanx> I think nrf52 is closest to that.
2017-03-21T15:31:27 < englishman> yeah but for 5.8GHz
2017-03-21T15:31:38 < dongs> englishman: wat does that actualyl exist
2017-03-21T15:32:17 < dongs> lol dont be trolling all that shit is 2.4ghz
2017-03-21T15:33:25 < Steffanx> Did the waffles arrive yet englishman? I noticed the tracking is fucking terrible.
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2017-03-21T15:34:07 < englishman> no and yes
2017-03-21T15:34:19 < dongs> typical nordpost
2017-03-21T15:34:37 < englishman> can you blame the new govt for this yet
2017-03-21T15:34:54 < Steffanx> No, it's in Canada Post's hands now.
2017-03-21T15:35:29 < Steffanx> Also there is no new government yet.
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2017-03-21T15:36:38 < englishman> eww they passed through cologne
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2017-03-21T17:25:35 < ReadError> englishman: polls r open, go vote
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2017-03-21T17:31:58 < karlp> ok. hot air arrived. very cool for desoldering surface mount.  takes a bit of finicking on bigger throughhole stuff.
2017-03-21T17:32:05 < Thorn> GONG CHEN 
2017-03-21T17:32:05 < Thorn> 2017-03-21 03:08:10 WHAT IS YOU FULL NAME ?
2017-03-21T17:32:16 < Thorn> GONG CHEN 
2017-03-21T17:32:16 < Thorn> 2017-03-21 08:28:39 OK
2017-03-21T17:33:15 < emeb> hot air is handy
2017-03-21T17:33:25 < emeb> good for quick reflows too
2017-03-21T17:37:10 < karlp> yeah, will be assembling a board later this week, willg ive it a go then,
2017-03-21T17:37:30 < karlp> but wanted to burn some shit before hand. have some sort of idea of what temps are what.
2017-03-21T17:37:48 < Steffanx> What hot air station thingy?
2017-03-21T17:37:55 < karlp> 480/moderate air was burning shit.  400/high air "worked well" so far.
2017-03-21T17:38:10 < karlp> I got this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-Genuine-Digital-Display-2-in-1-220V-SAIKE-8586D-hot-air-gun-soldering-station/32230642283.html
2017-03-21T17:38:19 < karlp> came with a china power cable though, which was a bit of a pain.
2017-03-21T17:38:25 < englishman> perfect
2017-03-21T17:38:27 < Steffanx> Ah.
2017-03-21T17:38:35 < englishman> i usually use 350 + 5-6 for air
2017-03-21T17:38:42 < englishman> 400 if huge groundplane
2017-03-21T17:39:06 < karlp> well, I was desoldering a great big old 80s/90s design thing we had laying around. so went hotter?
2017-03-21T17:39:19 < karlp> was neat. could desolder 14pin pdips without bent pins or anything
2017-03-21T17:39:27 < Rickta59> a scsi controller?
2017-03-21T17:39:32 < englishman> yeah hotair is good stuff
2017-03-21T17:39:37 < Laurenceb> kakimir: are you compitent with openfoam?
2017-03-21T17:39:42 < englishman> if youre careful you dont need to add flux = cleaner repairs
2017-03-21T17:40:23 < karlp> iron wizard wasn't super impressed at how long it took to pull off the big stuff, but eyes widened nicely when he saw how quickly it lifted off soic8 and some power transistors
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2017-03-21T17:44:25 < sync_> karlp: I like my jbc tweezers for that
2017-03-21T17:46:02 < karlp> sync_: yeah, we have some hot tweezers too,t hey're great too.
2017-03-21T17:46:11 < sync_> just grab soic8 and it is off
2017-03-21T17:46:39 < sync_> they have some for quadflat as well
2017-03-21T17:46:59 < karlp> ah, we only have like dual pointy tweezers.
2017-03-21T17:47:05 < karlp> but hey, we have hot air now too
2017-03-21T17:48:17 < jadew> I use two soldering stations for that
2017-03-21T17:48:19 < jadew> works too
2017-03-21T17:48:33 < englishman> who's the iron wizard, dont tell me you work with Hafþór Björnsson
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2017-03-21T18:00:23 < karlp> englishman: heh.
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2017-03-21T19:55:27 < kakimir> Laurenceb: are you?
2017-03-21T19:56:32 < kakimir> I spend some time with first set of tutorials then I was like fuck it I don't have timemoney for this
2017-03-21T19:57:02 < Steffanx> Yes you do have timemunny for that. Whatever it is.
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2017-03-21T19:57:14 < kakimir> timemoney
2017-03-21T19:57:43 < Thorn> >Shifted via holes (may break drill)
2017-03-21T19:57:44 < kakimir> when time and money are unified into one physical quantity
2017-03-21T19:57:45 < Thorn> wat
2017-03-21T19:57:51 < kakimir> just made it up
2017-03-21T19:58:00 < Steffanx> I meant whatever those tutorials are about kakimir.
2017-03-21T19:58:14 < Steffanx> It's just a matter of better time management.
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2017-03-21T20:01:44 < kakimir> you mean prioritizing
2017-03-21T20:02:34 < kakimir> Laurenceb: why you ask?
2017-03-21T20:03:04 < kakimir> I wonder if openfoam cucking would pay
2017-03-21T20:11:55 < Steffanx> yes kakimir
2017-03-21T20:12:10 < Steffanx> What tutorials are you working on kakimir?
2017-03-21T20:12:26 < kakimir> I was about to go thru openfoam tutorials
2017-03-21T20:12:36 < kakimir> that come with the package
2017-03-21T20:12:59 < kakimir> but those are super buggy and inaccurate tutorials
2017-03-21T20:13:08 < kakimir> won't compile
2017-03-21T20:13:58 < kakimir> and some things are wrong in tutorial and you need to figure it out
2017-03-21T20:14:19 < BrainDamage> welcome to open source docs
2017-03-21T20:15:17 < Steffanx> Maybe the sores be with you.
2017-03-21T20:15:23 < Steffanx> *may the
2017-03-21T20:16:05 < Laurenceb> kakimir: I was planning to sim a weather balloon in flight
2017-03-21T20:16:12 < Laurenceb> to look at payload oscillation
2017-03-21T20:16:15 < kakimir> tutorial that expects you know the system before you know the system
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2017-03-21T20:16:29 < kakimir> start by debuging it
2017-03-21T20:16:40 < kakimir> then understanding how it works
2017-03-21T20:16:41 < Laurenceb> but really I need to model the pendulum oscillation of the payload at the same time
2017-03-21T20:16:44 < kakimir> and then you may.. use it
2017-03-21T20:16:50 < Laurenceb> wondering if I should just used matlab
2017-03-21T20:16:54 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-21T20:17:10 < kakimir> can it do a barrel roll?
2017-03-21T20:17:12 < Laurenceb> I've never done CFD before
2017-03-21T20:17:15 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-03-21T20:17:40 < Laurenceb> I'm guessing I'll need 3D grid then assume incompressible flow
2017-03-21T20:17:53 < Laurenceb> the balloon is ~10m diameter ascending at 4m/s
2017-03-21T20:18:07 < Tectu> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/cloud-platform/windows-server-pricing
2017-03-21T20:18:19 < Tectu> 6k USD per 16 cores
2017-03-21T20:18:23 < Tectu> wut
2017-03-21T20:19:13 < kakimir> CFD is assumptions
2017-03-21T20:19:25 < kakimir> as I know
2017-03-21T20:19:28 < kakimir> all
2017-03-21T20:19:36 < kakimir> *all i know
2017-03-21T20:19:50 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_equations#General_continuum_equations
2017-03-21T20:19:57 < Laurenceb> eww stress tensors O_o
2017-03-21T20:20:10 < Laurenceb> doesnt look like fun
2017-03-21T20:20:45 < Steffanx> What does Tectu need it for in the first place?
2017-03-21T20:21:56 < Laurenceb> I guess Incompressible Navier–Stokes is a lot simpler
2017-03-21T20:24:26 < kakimir> pay 40eur more for doubling the SSD size..
2017-03-21T20:24:32 < kakimir> maybe!
2017-03-21T20:27:07 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jie3noHnvG0
2017-03-21T20:27:10 < Laurenceb> nice
2017-03-21T20:28:27 < kakimir> when you learn openfoam will you do work for me in hour based pricing Laurenceb ?
2017-03-21T20:28:28 < Tectu> Steffanx, nothing
2017-03-21T20:28:36 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-03-21T20:28:47 < Laurenceb> I'm actually wondering if someone has published data
2017-03-21T20:29:01 < Laurenceb> newtonian mechanics + lookup table would be so much simpler
2017-03-21T20:29:05 < Laurenceb> just run in matlab
2017-03-21T20:30:48 < kakimir> https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/122314/ct525mx300ssd4/crucial-525gb-mx300-ssd-levy-m-2-type-2280ss-530-510-mb-s anyone know these SSDs?
2017-03-21T20:31:00 < kakimir> is crucial anything good?
2017-03-21T20:32:15 < Tectu> better go intel 750
2017-03-21T20:33:03 < kakimir> I'm not sure if there is 750
2017-03-21T20:33:17 < kakimir> these stores do not have it
2017-03-21T20:33:31 < Tectu> there is, I have two of them
2017-03-21T20:34:08 < Steffanx> They are like > $1k, not the average store ware kakimir ;)
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2017-03-21T20:34:15 < kakimir> this is the cheapest 525GB I have found
2017-03-21T20:34:22 < kakimir> also m2.2280 required
2017-03-21T20:34:30 < kakimir> eNVM not suitable
2017-03-21T20:35:02 < Tectu> Steffanx, the < 1 TB capacity ones are way below $1k
2017-03-21T20:35:14 < Steffanx> Yes, but that is no fun.
2017-03-21T20:35:46 < Tectu> jup
2017-03-21T20:35:49 < kakimir> I wonder if I should buy adapter to sata for old m2 or just sell the m2
2017-03-21T20:36:07 < kakimir> 13euros
2017-03-21T20:36:50 < kakimir> or maybe even less
2017-03-21T20:36:50 < Steffanx> People are not too happy wit the MX300 kakimir
2017-03-21T20:37:06 < kakimir> problems?
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2017-03-21T20:37:35 < kakimir> 3years warrantity it says
2017-03-21T20:37:57 < Steffanx> Mostly performance.
2017-03-21T20:38:50 < kakimir> constantly bad performance?
2017-03-21T20:39:38 < kakimir> I just need good random access times without lags or bugs
2017-03-21T20:39:58 < kakimir> not that much if it can write 500MB in a second
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2017-03-21T20:42:03 < Steffanx> Better read some reviews yourself. 
2017-03-21T20:42:28 < Steffanx> but on the other hand, they are cheapish
2017-03-21T20:43:46 < kakimir> I don't see too much difference in graphs
2017-03-21T20:46:18 < kakimir> I think it's the winner
2017-03-21T20:47:21 < Tectu> then an Intel 750 might be a bit overkill for you
2017-03-21T20:47:38 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-21T20:48:23 < kakimir> it has also good power consumption for laptop use if graph are accurate
2017-03-21T20:48:47 < Tectu> oh, this is laptop. I missed that, sorry.
2017-03-21T20:48:52 < Tectu> intel 750 even requires a heatsink
2017-03-21T20:48:54 < Tectu> so... :p
2017-03-21T20:50:32 < kakimir> :)
2017-03-21T20:51:49 < kakimir> it seems to be pretty slow but as if the default SSD with the laptop is any better
2017-03-21T20:52:15 < kakimir> 500MB read and 250MB write.. basic
2017-03-21T20:52:55 < kakimir> some tests 500MB read and write both
2017-03-21T20:52:56 < Tectu> is this to be able to blog faster?
2017-03-21T20:54:09 < kakimir> no I just need the space
2017-03-21T20:55:15 < kakimir> this one has in many tests as fast write as read almost
2017-03-21T20:55:35 < kakimir> as some cheap end have bit higher read but only half the write
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2017-03-21T21:21:33 < englishman> anyone know of a 10pin cortex-m debug shrouded header that's right angle and SMT
2017-03-21T21:22:39 < Tectu> Hello Mr. englishman 
2017-03-21T21:22:48 < englishman> hey Tectu !
2017-03-21T21:22:56 < englishman> how's my 2nd favourite Swiss man
2017-03-21T21:27:40 < Tectu> quite good, thanks. How about there?
2017-03-21T21:28:45 < englishman> fantastic
2017-03-21T21:28:48 < englishman> spring is here
2017-03-21T21:32:23 < englishman> kittens are cute as hell
2017-03-21T21:32:46 < Tectu> nah man, fuck kittens
2017-03-21T21:32:47 < Tectu> so useless
2017-03-21T21:32:57 < englishman> are you kidding
2017-03-21T21:33:04 < englishman> there are like no flies in the house
2017-03-21T21:33:08 < englishman> they kittens have eaten them all
2017-03-21T21:33:15 < englishman> which also disposes of the corpses
2017-03-21T21:33:59 < englishman> taking a break after a long day of hunting http://i.imgur.com/qp0EZS0.jpg
2017-03-21T21:34:11 < Steffanx> Yet they shit everywhere and distract you?
2017-03-21T21:34:33 < englishman> the kitties are high quality shitters
2017-03-21T21:35:09 < Steffanx> How can Tectu not be your no. 1 swisser?
2017-03-21T21:35:55 < upgrdman_> whats a swisser
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2017-03-21T21:36:42 < Steffanx> Tectu is a swisser.
2017-03-21T21:36:50 < englishman> someone who swisses.
2017-03-21T21:37:40 < upgrdman> ._.
2017-03-21T21:38:18 < Steffanx> A citizen of Switzerland, upgrdman.
2017-03-21T21:38:23 < upgrdman> ah thx
2017-03-21T21:38:54 < upgrdman> are Toblerones from shitzerland?
2017-03-21T21:38:58 < Tectu> keeper of peace, democracy, neutrality and tons of jew gold
2017-03-21T21:39:02 < Tectu> upgrdman, yes
2017-03-21T21:39:03 < Steffanx> What was in altium this short cut/key to change the grid size?
2017-03-21T21:39:08 < Steffanx> (iirc there was one)
2017-03-21T21:39:08 < Tectu> germans refer to them as tank barriers
2017-03-21T21:39:11 < upgrdman> <3 toblerones
2017-03-21T21:41:33 < englishman> toblerone is the tallest mountain in swisserland
2017-03-21T21:41:41 < englishman> you're literally eating histrory
2017-03-21T21:41:49 < upgrdman> oh, that's why theres a mountain on the packaging
2017-03-21T21:41:51 < upgrdman> TIL
2017-03-21T21:41:59 < upgrdman> history is delicious
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2017-03-21T21:44:15 < Steffanx> But the best export product of Swisserland is .... UGFX \o/
2017-03-21T21:44:44 < Tectu> awww <3
2017-03-21T21:44:59 < upgrdman> bromance in ##stm32
2017-03-21T21:45:11 < upgrdman> *now kith*
2017-03-21T21:45:19 < englishman> lol
2017-03-21T21:45:42 < Tectu> how´s Mr. Vape these days? still alive?
2017-03-21T21:45:55 < Steffanx>  /msg nickserv info rob235
2017-03-21T21:46:07 < Tectu> such wizardry
2017-03-21T21:48:17 < Tectu> how´s java, upgrdman ?
2017-03-21T21:48:43 < Steffanx> Learn to ' Tectu
2017-03-21T21:49:05 < Tectu> couldn´t bother installing deadkey fix for hexchat yet
2017-03-21T21:49:13 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-21T21:49:14 < upgrdman> Tectu, good. been cranking out thousands of lines and get buttloads of praise from ardutards
2017-03-21T21:49:37 < Tectu> thatś great
2017-03-21T21:50:39 < Steffanx> And translated to $ how much is that upgrdman?
2017-03-21T21:50:56 < upgrdman> Steffanx, around $10/month right now, but it's slowly ramping up
2017-03-21T21:53:21 < Steffanx> :)
2017-03-21T21:53:56 < upgrdman> ya im not getting rich off of this, but considering i made the tool 100% for myself, and i can get a little side money from it, i cant complain
2017-03-21T21:54:33 < upgrdman> and i got a nice bump when adafruit blogd my video
2017-03-21T21:57:23 < Tectu> that´s nice. congratz man!
2017-03-21T21:58:14 < upgrdman> thx
2017-03-21T21:59:52 < upgrdman> Tectu, its this if youre wondering what im talking about   https://youtu.be/r693Xb9t4dI?t=424
2017-03-21T22:00:18 < upgrdman> oh and for the lulz this too   https://youtu.be/r693Xb9t4dI?t=181
2017-03-21T22:00:45 < Steffanx> Real flute skills.
2017-03-21T22:01:08 < upgrdman> inorite
2017-03-21T22:02:19 < Tectu> did they make a dwngrdman joke?
2017-03-21T22:03:35 < upgrdman> no
2017-03-21T22:04:16 < Steffanx> upgrdman, your voice is a voice one can listen to well ( imho) but stop saying "and .. umh.." so often :P
2017-03-21T22:04:24 < upgrdman> thx
2017-03-21T22:04:37 < upgrdman> ya i used to edit that shit out, but gave up cause i cant talk for shit
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2017-03-21T22:20:44 < Steffanx> Do the pro's here even use manufacturer made footprint libs for altium or always custom?
2017-03-21T22:21:50 < upgrdman> not sure i qualify, but i steal fp's from altidongs live if i can find them, or make them if i cant or if manufuckterer's fp is 100% homo
2017-03-21T22:22:23 < Steffanx> but i have no altium live account ;)
2017-03-21T22:29:07 < Steffanx> Anyone here qualifies. because pros
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2017-03-21T22:33:42 < karlp> mixed heree.
2017-03-21T22:35:18 < karlp> englishman: re 10 pin RA smd, not off the top of my head, but if you find one, I'll add it to the zypsnips for the debug connectors
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2017-03-21T22:57:25 < englishman> great
2017-03-21T22:57:33 < englishman> i guess pth would work too
2017-03-21T22:57:41 < englishman> Steffanx: 100% self-made
2017-03-21T22:57:52 < englishman> would never use another man's footprint
2017-03-21T22:58:11 < BrainDamage> only virgin footprints
2017-03-21T22:59:11 < upgrdman> hand-crafted artisan footprints
2017-03-21T22:59:18 < upgrdman> organic, free-range
2017-03-21T22:59:28 < englishman> infused with essence d'ail
2017-03-21T22:59:34 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2017-03-21T22:59:49 < englishman> custom JDM kawaii silkscreen
2017-03-21T22:59:58 < kakimir> I need cheap ip68 usb connector system
2017-03-21T23:00:09 < kakimir> for 5years or so operation outdoors
2017-03-21T23:00:12 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRlBtabKRFM
2017-03-21T23:00:25 < kakimir> so I just buy some aviation plugs with o-ring?
2017-03-21T23:00:34 < englishman> also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI
2017-03-21T23:01:31 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, that first video... makes my anus bleed just thinking about that
2017-03-21T23:03:25 < Steffanx> upgrdman is the little boy in the vid.
2017-03-21T23:03:33 < upgrdman> haha
2017-03-21T23:05:11 < englishman> gasp!
2017-03-21T23:05:11 < englishman> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/5-104895-1/A115273-ND/2259789
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2017-03-21T23:06:44 < karlp> looks kinda bulky
2017-03-21T23:07:07 < upgrdman> ya what're the side gaps for
2017-03-21T23:07:14 < upgrdman> locking tabs on cable?
2017-03-21T23:07:36 < karlp> I bet these guys have them too, but they're website is pretty shit: http://www.amtek-co.com.tw/product-list.php?kid=4
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2017-03-21T23:25:58 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aviation-plug-Disc-flange-GX25-4-Pin-XLR-Ham-Radio-25mm-Panel-mount-waterproof-/141713626863 how is this waterproof I do not see how it is
2017-03-21T23:28:07 < kakimir> it's a lie I think
2017-03-21T23:32:11 < kakimir> nylon.. sun will fuck it up
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2017-03-21T23:33:19 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Waterproof-PUSH-PULL-4Pin-IP67-Metal-Aviation-Connector-SF12-12mm-Panel-Mount-/181758320613 I think this is the one
2017-03-21T23:33:22 < Laurenceb_> http://www.cfd.com.au/cfd_conf09/PDFs/052POO.pdf
2017-03-21T23:33:37 < Laurenceb_> I can possibly grab enough from here for some lookup tables
2017-03-21T23:34:19 < Tectu> what is Laurenceb_ up to?
2017-03-21T23:34:44 < kakimir> ICBM
2017-03-21T23:35:09 < Laurenceb_> modelling balloon payload oscillation
2017-03-21T23:37:06 < Tectu> sounds interesting
2017-03-21T23:37:43 < BrainDamage> he wants to strap a rocket motor to a raccoon
2017-03-21T23:37:55 < kakimir> do a sexy animation of it Laurenceb_ and upload to utubes
2017-03-21T23:37:56 < BrainDamage> hence rockoon
2017-03-21T23:38:59 < Tectu> I feel like raccoon won´t approve
2017-03-21T23:39:56 < BrainDamage> that's why you spin it, so it becomes uncoscious
2017-03-21T23:40:34 < Tectu> I appreciate how you always have a good & sane answer for everything - even if it´s silly and just trolling
2017-03-21T23:40:44 < Tectu> I hope that the people of your land appreciate your existence
2017-03-21T23:40:48 < Laurenceb_> I'm still tempted to do CFD+mechanics modelling in matlab
2017-03-21T23:41:11 < Laurenceb_> because that allows the mechanics to be coupled to the CFD
2017-03-21T23:41:30 < Steffanx> Then dont resist the temptation
2017-03-21T23:41:38 < Laurenceb_> heh its a lot of work
2017-03-21T23:41:39 < Steffanx> \o/ You can do it Laurenceb_ \o/
2017-03-21T23:41:45 < Steffanx> Need more cheerleading?
2017-03-21T23:41:55 < Laurenceb_> atm I'm writing a first order thingy using matlab and some lookup tables
2017-03-21T23:41:56 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, I used simmechanics a lot. I assume that they have some CFD toolbox that integrates into it.
2017-03-21T23:42:15 < Laurenceb_> interesting, I'll have to read the docs
2017-03-21T23:43:14 < Tectu> did a 3D model of a thingy, imported it into simscape multibody, did the math stuff in simulink with various blocks (and meth functions where applicable) and it did the whole simulation from start to finish. was pretty fancy
2017-03-21T23:43:17 < Laurenceb_> mesh design doesnt exactly excite me :-S
2017-03-21T23:43:26 < Tectu> meth design*
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2017-03-21T23:55:33 < branjb> anyone used that tag-connect adaptor?
2017-03-21T23:55:49 < Tectu> yes
2017-03-21T23:56:02 < branjb> is it reliable?
2017-03-21T23:56:12 < branjb> ie, bumping it doesn't knock it out?
2017-03-21T23:56:45 < Tectu> talking about this?   https://www.telexsus.com/images/TC2030_NL_300.jpg
2017-03-21T23:56:52 < Tectu> because I only used the one with the hooks:  http://www.tag-connect.com/images/tc2050-xilinx.png
2017-03-21T23:56:58 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-21T23:57:04 < branjb> oh hooks
2017-03-21T23:57:09 < branjb> that one sounds good
2017-03-21T23:57:11 < Tectu> zyp uses the one w/o the hooks (the first one) a lot. ask him.
2017-03-21T23:58:24 < zyp> hmm?
2017-03-21T23:58:41 < Tectu> well, the hooks are nice but require a lot more space on the PCB. In production you wouldn´t use the hooks I imagine. But when I´m not mistaken you can use the non-hooked version on a board with the hook holes. It´s just for mechanical stability. As I tend to work a lot on the same PCB I prefer the hooks. Production would probably appreciate the non-hooky version
2017-03-21T23:58:55 < zyp> the one with hooks seems dumb, huge holes eating a lot of board area
2017-03-21T23:59:07 < zyp> might as well put a regular connector if that's what you want
2017-03-21T23:59:55 < zyp> and the clip thing works well enough if you need to do sustained work through the -NL variant
2017-03-21T23:59:56 < Tectu> yeah, not sure what the deal is on that. customer used it in his hardware.
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2017-03-22T00:00:11 < Tectu> clip thing?
2017-03-22T00:00:39 < zyp> http://www.tag-connect.com/TC2030-CLIP
2017-03-22T00:01:02 < zyp> the only problem with those are that they tend to disappear
2017-03-22T00:01:07 < Tectu> hah
2017-03-22T00:01:47 < Tectu> so they disappear prior to wearing out?
2017-03-22T00:01:56 < branjb> $30 per seems steep for an adapter or cable
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2017-03-22T00:02:10 < zyp> idk, I haven't had any wear out
2017-03-22T00:02:18 < zyp> branjb, compared to what?
2017-03-22T00:02:19 < mtbg> hi
2017-03-22T00:02:37 < branjb> compared to a regular jtag port and 20 pin cable
2017-03-22T00:02:38 < branjb> lol
2017-03-22T00:02:58 < zyp> branjb, so, how much do you figure you pay for a standard jtag socket?
2017-03-22T00:03:23 < Tectu> branjb, well. I am happy with the hook version. But i guess the only reason to go hooker style is when PCB space is not an issue but you want to spare the connector on assembly of the boards.
2017-03-22T00:04:26 < Tectu> note: apparently the hooks are called legs
2017-03-22T00:04:26 < branjb> board space is probably a premium, didn't realize hook spots took up that much more
2017-03-22T00:04:37 < Tectu> http://www.tag-connect.com/Materials/Tag-Connector_footprint_legs.jpg
2017-03-22T00:05:14 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NjEyT.JPG <- if you design boards looking like this, hook holes are prohibitively huge :)
2017-03-22T00:06:16 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/crJLt.JPG <- or this
2017-03-22T00:06:22 < karlp> tag connect had a seriously crowded booth last week.
2017-03-22T00:06:35 < branjb> sexy
2017-03-22T00:07:18 < zyp> branjb, anyway, you didn't reply to my question
2017-03-22T00:07:26 < zyp> how much do you figure a jtag socket costs?
2017-03-22T00:07:30 < branjb> oh
2017-03-22T00:07:41 < branjb> more than a few PCB traces/pads
2017-03-22T00:07:42 < branjb> lol
2017-03-22T00:08:13 < zyp> you don't have a figure? :)
2017-03-22T00:08:33 < branjb> if i had to guess, $1-2
2017-03-22T00:08:44 < zyp> that sounds way expensive
2017-03-22T00:08:50 < Tectu> more like .3 to .5
2017-03-22T00:08:54 < zyp> yeah
2017-03-22T00:08:56 < zyp> hmm
2017-03-22T00:09:07 < Tectu> don´t purchase from expensive-parts.ch
2017-03-22T00:09:13 < branjb> lol
2017-03-22T00:09:16 < zyp> my tag-connect cable cost $92 shipped
2017-03-22T00:09:20 < zyp> half of that were shipping :p
2017-03-22T00:09:30 < Tectu> because you live at the end of the world
2017-03-22T00:09:35 < zyp> but I'm pretty sure I've paid it off a couple of times already
2017-03-22T00:09:47 < branjb> you need the tag-connect cable + an ARM SWD adapter right?
2017-03-22T00:09:58 < Tectu> but then again, it´s not only about the sockets you save but mainly PCB space, I guess
2017-03-22T00:10:14 < zyp> Tectu, I bought it to save the sockets
2017-03-22T00:10:23 < Tectu> zyp, that´s mad :p
2017-03-22T00:10:27 < zyp> first design I used it for have both footprints
2017-03-22T00:10:33 < Tectu> branjb, the Tag connect that I got has a regular 2x5 pin JTAG connector on the other end.
2017-03-22T00:10:48 < Tectu> zyp, I remember that board I think
2017-03-22T00:10:58 < zyp> yeah, TC2030-CTX plugs directly in if you have a modern swd tool
2017-03-22T00:11:27 < zyp> Tectu, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QTIae.JPG <- even latest version still got both, never saw a point in removing it
2017-03-22T00:11:35 < zyp> plenty of area anyway
2017-03-22T00:11:53 < englishman> tag-connect aka noob-connect
2017-03-22T00:12:00 < englishman> haha karlp 
2017-03-22T00:12:02 < Tectu> the hate
2017-03-22T00:12:30 < zyp> so anyway, I figure I've used my TC cable with around 700 boards by now, which at a one time cost of $92 puts it at $.13 per board
2017-03-22T00:12:39 < Tectu> zyp, any idea on how well NL versions work on cheap-chinese boards in terms of hole diameter tolerances?
2017-03-22T00:12:58 < zyp> haha, I can't imagine there would be any problem at all
2017-03-22T00:12:58 < englishman> for some reason opensource guys really like closed-source proprietary connectors
2017-03-22T00:14:40 < zyp> englishman, when the only two alternatives are tag-connect or ghettoing up some shit yourself with pogo pins, it's not a hard rationalization to make
2017-03-22T00:15:01 < Tectu> better crowdfound opentag
2017-03-22T00:15:15 < branjb> kickstart it
2017-03-22T00:15:32 < englishman> dono, used diy pogo pins on ~5k boards, new project uses pogopins so i can test a bunch of i/o too
2017-03-22T00:15:35 < zyp> and I assume tag-connect have patented enough that you won't see similar stuff from other vendors
2017-03-22T00:16:16 < zyp> sure, pogo pins are nice if you're making a test jig anyway
2017-03-22T00:16:27 < zyp> I'm usually not
2017-03-22T00:16:40 < upgrdman> <zyp> Tectu, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QTIae.JPG <- even latest version still got both, never saw a point in removing it
2017-03-22T00:16:45 < upgrdman> zyp, what's that do? data acq?
2017-03-22T00:16:53 < zyp> usb hid
2017-03-22T00:16:56 < Tectu> more like HID
2017-03-22T00:17:08 < englishman> $45 is fine for noob-connect
2017-03-22T00:17:12 < zyp> hooks up to huge arcade style buttons, shows up as a gamepad
2017-03-22T00:17:16 < upgrdman> zyp, sensors -> control pc?
2017-03-22T00:17:17 < Tectu> makes those dance-dance-revolutions run again
2017-03-22T00:17:20 < upgrdman> ah ya ok
2017-03-22T00:17:25 < englishman> but a) fuckers still owe me one and b) $50 shipping come on
2017-03-22T00:17:39 < zyp> :p
2017-03-22T00:17:46 < Tectu> can´t one get them off digikey, farnell or mouser w/o the shipping?
2017-03-22T00:18:02 < zyp> last I checked they didn't have the -CTX variant
2017-03-22T00:18:09 < zyp> but that were years ago
2017-03-22T00:18:32 < englishman> digikey has fuck all
2017-03-22T00:18:44 < zyp> they still don't have them
2017-03-22T00:18:59 < zyp> digikey shows the legged variant, but nonstock
2017-03-22T00:19:01 < englishman> i lied
2017-03-22T00:19:02 < zyp> and fuck that anyway
2017-03-22T00:19:05 < englishman> $62.5 ship charge
2017-03-22T00:19:57 < branjb> it's like $20 more on digikey
2017-03-22T00:20:15 < englishman> yeah but the one you want isnt on digikey
2017-03-22T00:21:12 < Tectu> well I got mine for free. A customer sent hardware, asked whether I have a fuck-connect, I said no (and I didn´t lie), now I have a free one with a 5x2 1.27mm on the other end
2017-03-22T00:21:13 < branjb> is https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/tag-connect-llc/TC2050-IDC-NL/TC2050-IDC-NL-ND/2605367 not what I want?
2017-03-22T00:21:34 < zyp> depends what you want
2017-03-22T00:21:35 < Tectu> branjb, that has the 2.54mm connector
2017-03-22T00:21:39 < Tectu> branjb, also what zyp said :p
2017-03-22T00:21:40 < karlp> englishman: you laughing at my git commit? ;)
2017-03-22T00:21:59 < Tectu> branjb, I imagine that you want the CTX, not the IDC connector
2017-03-22T00:22:03 < englishman> you want the 10pin branjb ?
2017-03-22T00:22:12 < englishman> karlp: no that scam-connect had a booth and it was packed
2017-03-22T00:22:33 < englishman> wait
2017-03-22T00:22:35 < englishman> fuck you!
2017-03-22T00:22:37 < englishman> :)
2017-03-22T00:22:45 < branjb> ST-link manual said I want TC2050-ARM2010 + 	TC2050-IDC-NL-ND
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2017-03-22T00:23:05 < Tectu> then yes,
2017-03-22T00:23:07 < Tectu> bed.
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2017-03-22T00:23:16 < zyp> branjb, well, there's kinda two competing standards now
2017-03-22T00:23:24 < zyp> there's TC2050 and TC2030
2017-03-22T00:23:39 < branjb> i just want a simple small footprint to program
2017-03-22T00:23:56 < karlp> P&E had a stand too, and it was deserted.
2017-03-22T00:23:57 < englishman> hmm karlp the shrouded one is quite large, and i didnt pay 74c for the nonshrouded
2017-03-22T00:24:06 < branjb> currently i'm using a frankecable from a st-link to SWD pins
2017-03-22T00:24:26 < zyp> tag-connect defined a TC2030-CTX footprint with a SWD pinout
2017-03-22T00:24:29 < englishman> and rightangle is wanted by the customer so they can swd while it's in an enclosure
2017-03-22T00:24:52 < zyp> and then some assholes figured out that they'd rather do TC2050 with the normal ARM 10-pin pinout
2017-03-22T00:25:53 < englishman> branjb: if you want a simple small footprint to program, use the standard 10-pin cortex connector and a cable. you don't need a ghetto cable, digikey sells them, and the 20pin adapter comes from olimex or make one yourself or whatever
2017-03-22T00:26:22 < englishman> thats all i use, with an 18" cable or thereabouts to the j-link 
2017-03-22T00:26:34 < zyp> TC2030 is smaller since it's only 6-pin, and the only other difference is whether TDI is present or not (the other three extra pins are only extra grounds)
2017-03-22T00:27:10 < englishman> branjb: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md#cables
2017-03-22T00:27:17 < branjb> does the term standard not mean anything anymore?
2017-03-22T00:27:32 < zyp> TDI is required if you want to do JTAG, but pointless for SWD, and given that SWD is pretty much as capable as JTAG, that's not a huge argument
2017-03-22T00:27:58 < zyp> branjb, of course it does: https://xkcd.com/927/
2017-03-22T00:28:56 < branjb> lol
2017-03-22T00:29:30 < zyp> anyway, if you want something officially standard, 1.27mm pitch 10-pin header is the way to go
2017-03-22T00:30:12 < zyp> if you want to go tag-connect I recommend TC2030-CTX, since that's what TC originally intended
2017-03-22T00:30:52 < zyp> that's the two options I would consider
2017-03-22T00:31:06 < karlp> we've discussed this a few times before, if you want to read earlier sumamries branjb: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md
2017-03-22T00:31:08 < branjb> those 1.27mm headers are kinda steep
2017-03-22T00:31:27 < karlp> oops, sorry englishman
2017-03-22T00:31:48 < englishman> s'ok, love that page
2017-03-22T00:32:09 < zyp> the third option I'd consider is separate test pads for a pogo test jig, if I made a design that would have a test jig
2017-03-22T00:32:11 < branjb> nm i just can't read
2017-03-22T00:32:48 < branjb> englishman's choice: (shrouds and keys are for l0sers)
2017-03-22T00:32:48 < branjb> Note, this is actually more expensive than the shrouded version above.
2017-03-22T00:33:02 < zyp> but I'd probably add that in addition to TC, so I wouldn't have to find out where I put the test jig for a specific design every time I want to check something on a board
2017-03-22T00:33:54 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: there is mechanics mechanisms build in openfoam
2017-03-22T00:34:27 < zyp> karlp, why is that article so biased against TC? :p
2017-03-22T00:34:28 < kakimir> but you can also use external ones inside the loop
2017-03-22T00:34:53 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2017-03-22T00:35:13 < Laurenceb_> I just want to simulate a pendulum with dampening fins on it
2017-03-22T00:35:21 < Laurenceb_> ans spherical envelope
2017-03-22T00:35:26 < Laurenceb_> so not very complex
2017-03-22T00:36:05 < ohsix> sup pros
2017-03-22T00:36:15 < ohsix> i'm in need of generating some engineering materials for the purpose of communication
2017-03-22T00:36:41 < ohsix> my bad idea for the inventor to judge the weight/envelope of something, is putting sand into a thing
2017-03-22T00:36:42 < Laurenceb_> idea is to optimise fin placement and suspension length
2017-03-22T00:36:46 < ohsix> or other weights
2017-03-22T00:37:08 < ohsix> i need to get them to focus on constraints so they can actually start developing the thing, they wont' even write anything down at this point
2017-03-22T00:37:16 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: do you know any mechanics libraries for C?
2017-03-22T00:37:47 < Laurenceb_> nope
2017-03-22T00:37:48 < kakimir> if I some day want to compile my own solver with some external mechanics involved
2017-03-22T00:37:55 < zyp> karlp, the clip falling off is a bullshit argument, I even used a fucking piece of veroboard once and it held fine for days until I were done: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/yLKZr.JPG
2017-03-22T00:37:56 < Laurenceb_> sounds hardcore
2017-03-22T00:37:59 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-22T00:38:27 < kakimir> all I know is C
2017-03-22T00:38:48 < kakimir> zyp: where is saturated soldering on those pads?
2017-03-22T00:38:49 < karlp> zyp: submit patches if you like, but I remain unconvinced to TC's advantage
2017-03-22T00:38:55 < Laurenceb_> probably for the best
2017-03-22T00:38:56 < karlp> you're not saving a socket on every board,
2017-03-22T00:39:01 < Laurenceb_> matlab is a nasty drug
2017-03-22T00:39:02 < karlp> you only mount the damn socket on boards that need debug.
2017-03-22T00:39:15 < karlp> so it's a wank. fuck TC, TC did WTC etc...
2017-03-22T00:39:24 < kakimir> you need to add solder so much that it climbs the wire
2017-03-22T00:39:37 < zyp> what about initial flashing then?
2017-03-22T00:39:43 < karlp> out of scope.
2017-03-22T00:40:00 < karlp> if it's small enough scale that you're manually hooking TC cables up, you're too small for the socket price saving advantage to matter.
2017-03-22T00:40:16 < karlp> because you blew it all paying someone to sit there and plug the cable in.
2017-03-22T00:40:58 < zyp> it's not like it'd be cheaper to pay someone to sit there and plug a traditional cable in
2017-03-22T00:41:20 < branjb> lol
2017-03-22T00:41:30  * karlp uses 6pin stlink style... compact still, no extra pins, and easily pogoable with 6x2.54 pins.
2017-03-22T00:43:08 < zyp> the non-reversability is nice, not having to look up pinout/direction before you plug in
2017-03-22T00:43:16 < zyp> i.e. keying
2017-03-22T00:43:35 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: would it be easier to just measure how your balloon flies?
2017-03-22T00:43:39 < kakimir> mems and shiet
2017-03-22T00:43:49 < kakimir> how much a launch costs?
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2017-03-22T00:46:43 < karlp> zyp: yeah, coloured ribbon does that for me.
2017-03-22T00:46:51 < karlp> not as brainless as physical keying, but good enough
2017-03-22T00:48:50 < zyp> I'm annoyed enough that I have to think every time I'm plugging in the old 20-pin 2.54mm pitch end of the bmp2 since it's unkeyed
2017-03-22T00:49:04 < zyp> «now, where the fuck were the pin 1 mark again?»
2017-03-22T00:50:03 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: then it'd be a case of stabbing in the dark
2017-03-22T00:50:16 < Laurenceb_> with a bazillion attempts to probe the whole parameter space
2017-03-22T00:50:34 < Laurenceb_> with sim I can set it running for a few days and see what works in simulation
2017-03-22T00:50:49 < ohsix> kakimir: rigid body?
2017-03-22T00:51:47 < kakimir> ohsix: ?
2017-03-22T00:51:50 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-22T00:52:02 < kakimir> simple shiet
2017-03-22T00:53:07 < kakimir> maybe not that hard to set up yourself without any libraries if there is like only one thing that rotates or so
2017-03-22T00:53:25 < ohsix> kakimir: box2d?
2017-03-22T00:53:39 < ohsix> or any physics engine hueheourh
2017-03-22T00:53:44 < ohsix> what type of analysis do you need
2017-03-22T00:54:08 < ohsix> pal got cool ip camera
2017-03-22T00:54:14 < ohsix> wifi configuration sent audibly
2017-03-22T00:54:18 < ohsix> amongst other options
2017-03-22T00:54:45 < kakimir> something like oscillations of a fin or so
2017-03-22T00:54:49 < kakimir> in wind
2017-03-22T00:55:26 < kakimir> maximizing stability and minimizing required airspeed needed to fin to turn properly
2017-03-22T00:55:31 < kakimir> you know
2017-03-22T00:55:52 < Laurenceb_> heh sounds similarish to my problem
2017-03-22T00:56:26 < karlp> ohsix: so, custom app on phone to configure the wifi on the camera then I guess?
2017-03-22T00:56:39 < ohsix> karlp: yea, which is usually a problem
2017-03-22T00:56:41 < karlp> wifi direct is too hard to setup I guess.
2017-03-22T00:56:46 < ReadError> branjb: let me get a vote on teh efnets
2017-03-22T00:56:48 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: we need to pump it together?
2017-03-22T00:56:53 < karlp> I know I sure can't work it out, but it's what it's for.
2017-03-22T00:56:55 < ReadError> !BAN
2017-03-22T00:56:58 < ReadError> shilling 
2017-03-22T00:57:13 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: did you pass tutorials?
2017-03-22T00:57:18 < branjb> ReadError: eh?
2017-03-22T00:57:25 < Laurenceb_> nah I'm reading paper on sphere CFD
2017-03-22T00:57:52 < ReadError> lrh
2017-03-22T00:58:15 < branjb> i rebooted on accident last week and was too lazy to connect to efnet
2017-03-22T00:58:18 < branjb> what is vote for
2017-03-22T01:00:16 < ohsix> karlp: maybe, if it can do the audio it seems like a better deal than an open ap after reset
2017-03-22T01:00:54 < ohsix> http://www.tmart.com/VESKYS-720P-HD-1-0MP-Wireless-Wi-Fi-Night-Vision-Motion-Support-64GB-TF-Card-IP-Camera-US-Plug-White_p352826.html this thing
2017-03-22T01:00:59 < jadew> I watched bates motel these couple of days and I think they're purposefully trying to piss off people with OCD
2017-03-22T01:01:25 < jadew> they stop the windshield wipers in mid run, with every occasion they have
2017-03-22T01:09:08 < Laurenceb_> lul efnet
2017-03-22T01:09:14 < Laurenceb_> its like the 4chan of irc
2017-03-22T01:09:19 < ohsix> not
2017-03-22T01:09:26 < Steffanx> Oh no branjb is efnet?
2017-03-22T01:09:49 < ohsix> was going to say there were no unironic nazis, but it's been a while since i actually knew that was true
2017-03-22T01:10:39 < branjb> i'm not efnet
2017-03-22T01:10:39 < Laurenceb_> its shitposters all the way down
2017-03-22T01:10:42 < branjb> i'm branjb
2017-03-22T01:10:52 < Steffanx> But part of the gang
2017-03-22T01:11:11 < Laurenceb_> I bet Ginnie hangs on efnet
2017-03-22T01:11:18 < branjb> efnet isn't even 4chan irc
2017-03-22T01:11:20 < Steffanx> Its like, you are white, or nigger or efnet.
2017-03-22T01:11:28 < branjb> 4chan has its own irc server
2017-03-22T01:11:33 < ReadError> wtf branjb !
2017-03-22T01:11:38 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-03-22T01:11:49 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should visit...
2017-03-22T01:11:53 < Steffanx> Better join Laurenceb 
2017-03-22T01:11:58 < branjb> what
2017-03-22T01:12:06 < Steffanx> * Laurenceb_
2017-03-22T01:12:23 < branjb> i don't even know who EFFY is
2017-03-22T01:12:35 < Laurenceb_> typical efnet "grrl" http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/images/5123_8934.png
2017-03-22T01:12:35 < ReadError> so why did you let him change it lol
2017-03-22T01:12:40 < branjb> he didn't
2017-03-22T01:12:44 < ReadError> ya he did
2017-03-22T01:12:44 < branjb> my vote didn't count at all
2017-03-22T01:12:53 < ReadError> he added 1 yes for u
2017-03-22T01:13:23 < branjb> i thought that was for moneytrees vote
2017-03-22T01:13:43 < ReadError> he did 2x in a row, 1 money 1 u
2017-03-22T01:14:07 < branjb> nah
2017-03-22T01:14:11 < branjb> i joined when it was 6
2017-03-22T01:14:17 < branjb> money and me voted -> he changed it to 7
2017-03-22T01:14:18 < Steffanx> Lol dont take efnet to freenode please.
2017-03-22T01:14:36 < ReadError> branjb: no 8 lol
2017-03-22T01:14:41 < Laurenceb_> make ##stm32 efnet again
2017-03-22T01:14:46 < Steffanx> We have enough drama in ##stm32
2017-03-22T01:14:53 < Steffanx> Where is leeloo?
2017-03-22T01:15:01 < branjb> why does everyone hate efnet?
2017-03-22T01:15:07 < Laurenceb_> no matter how bad ##stm32 is, it will never be as bad as a typical efnet channel
2017-03-22T01:15:39 < ReadError> branjb: pls to vote !ban
2017-03-22T01:16:11 < Steffanx> Because. branjb 
2017-03-22T01:20:38 < kakimir> https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_8602_top_coffee_drinking_nations_n.jpg
2017-03-22T01:22:25 < Laurenceb_> blerg coffeee
2017-03-22T01:22:29 < Laurenceb_> teaftw
2017-03-22T01:23:03 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: is that photo of leeloo?
2017-03-22T01:23:23 < Laurenceb_> probably
2017-03-22T01:23:29 < branjb> https://i.stack.imgur.com/lhV3m.jpg
2017-03-22T01:23:56 < kakimir> cute
2017-03-22T01:24:16 < Laurenceb_> Ginnieposting is now a bannable offence :(
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2017-03-22T01:25:41 < Laurenceb_> http://www.poal.me/s3n7rf
2017-03-22T01:25:48 < Laurenceb_>  >Being a yank
2017-03-22T01:27:15 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjDAu7uJRxQ
2017-03-22T01:27:46 < Laurenceb_> make the Martians pay for it
2017-03-22T01:28:48 < Laurenceb_> eek
2017-03-22T01:29:00 < kakimir> you have seen this?
2017-03-22T01:29:03 < Laurenceb_> "memory use goes with Re^(9/2)"
2017-03-22T01:30:44 < Laurenceb_> wtf how is this even possible
2017-03-22T01:31:30 < Laurenceb_>  "Re>10^4 is therefore computationally expensive"
2017-03-22T01:31:34 < Laurenceb_> no shit Sherlock
2017-03-22T01:31:42 < Laurenceb_> I'm screwed
2017-03-22T01:31:54 < Laurenceb_> Re=2.5e4  :(
2017-03-22T01:32:34 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, wtf uses that much memory
2017-03-22T01:33:43 < kakimir> isn't CFD all about optimizing
2017-03-22T01:35:42 < kakimir> you optimize the mesh and hmm.. other things so that you barelly get readable results
2017-03-22T01:36:43 < Laurenceb_> yeah you optimise mesh and store compressed data
2017-03-22T01:36:48 < Laurenceb_> uncompress on the fly
2017-03-22T01:36:59 < sync_> or you just switch on the bluegene cluster in your garage
2017-03-22T01:37:01 < sync_> and let it deal with it
2017-03-22T01:37:07 < Laurenceb_> that takes you from ~10^20 bytes to something saner...
2017-03-22T01:37:13 < Laurenceb_> like terabyttes
2017-03-22T01:38:02 < Laurenceb_> til: why wind tunnels still exist
2017-03-22T01:38:03 < branjb> I need to be able reprogram my firmware over ethernet, how much of a pain is this going to be on a scale of 1-10
2017-03-22T01:38:10 < branjb> on f4
2017-03-22T01:38:23 < branjb> have lwip and phy
2017-03-22T01:38:32 < sync_> more like cfd doesn't always tell the truth Laurenceb_
2017-03-22T01:38:42 < sync_> the same thing applies to wind tunnels
2017-03-22T01:39:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-03-22T01:39:32 < Laurenceb_> looks like modelling a weather balloon is far from simple tho :(
2017-03-22T01:40:05 < Laurenceb_> v high reynolds number, it's turbulent but the power spectral density is complex
2017-03-22T01:40:32 < kakimir> do you need that high reynolds number Laurenceb_ 
2017-03-22T01:40:45 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: erm you can't control Re
2017-03-22T01:40:55 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-22T01:40:55 < sync_> well you can, by going slower
2017-03-22T01:40:59 < Laurenceb_> its a function of the weather balloon
2017-03-22T01:41:00 < Laurenceb_> lol
2017-03-22T01:41:22 < kakimir> so simple problem becomes uncomputable?
2017-03-22T01:41:24 < Laurenceb_> yeah I was aiming to optimise suspension cord length and fins position
2017-03-22T01:41:31 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: looks like it
2017-03-22T01:42:24 < Laurenceb_> but probably possible to grab lookup table level data from papers where people have used really high end systems
2017-03-22T01:42:37 < kakimir> you must be doing something wrong
2017-03-22T01:42:42 < kakimir> it's just a balloon
2017-03-22T01:42:43 < Laurenceb_> then just do newtonian mechanics + aerodynamics lookup in matlab
2017-03-22T01:42:52 < Laurenceb_> yeah but its big and highly turbulent
2017-03-22T01:42:54 < kakimir> not a intercontinental missile
2017-03-22T01:42:55 < sync_> but Re = 2.5e4 doesn't seem so bad
2017-03-22T01:43:06 < Laurenceb_> ironicaly icbm is much simpler in many ways
2017-03-22T01:43:23 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-22T01:43:35 < Laurenceb_> big and fairly slow balloon has tons of nasty turbulence at v small scales thats still relevant
2017-03-22T01:43:49 < Laurenceb_> needs a huge mesh to model all the interactions
2017-03-22T01:44:46 < sync_> yeah a balloon is gonna suck
2017-03-22T01:44:49 < sync_> try star ccm+
2017-03-22T01:44:54 < sync_> I had good luck with it
2017-03-22T01:45:54 < Laurenceb_> aha
2017-03-22T01:45:56 < Laurenceb_> The idea
2017-03-22T01:45:56 < Laurenceb_> behind LES is to capture the
2017-03-22T01:45:56 < Laurenceb_> large eddies which contribute
2017-03-22T01:45:56 < Laurenceb_> to the momentum and energy transfer, while the effects of
2017-03-22T01:45:56 < Laurenceb_> the more homogenous small-scale motions are approxi-
2017-03-22T01:45:57 < Laurenceb_> mated using a mathematical model. 
2017-03-22T01:46:10 < Laurenceb_> looks like thats the way to model at higher Re
2017-03-22T01:47:13 < Laurenceb_> but probably a pita to configure this stuff
2017-03-22T01:51:32 < kakimir> you are like one day into this thing and you already master it
2017-03-22T01:53:49 < kakimir> are you one of those guise Laurenceb_ that pass primary school in 2years because they can?
2017-03-22T01:54:05 < Laurenceb_> if I could...
2017-03-22T01:54:06 < kakimir> get invited directly to university
2017-03-22T01:54:18 < Laurenceb_> primary school... what a waste of time that was
2017-03-22T01:54:30 < kakimir> have nobel price at age of 13
2017-03-22T01:54:41 < Laurenceb_>  7 years of learning nothing useful...
2017-03-22T01:54:44 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-22T01:54:57 < kakimir> college was like something useful
2017-03-22T01:55:30 < kakimir> but also boring and doing drugs and being awkward teen
2017-03-22T01:55:51 < Laurenceb_> lel I was too high to remember most of my undergrad times
2017-03-22T01:55:56 < kakimir> acting mature collectivelly
2017-03-22T02:00:48 < kakimir> why do they want to bundle some eeprom with rtc in module?
2017-03-22T02:01:00 < Laurenceb_> wut?
2017-03-22T02:01:04 < Laurenceb_> rtc module??
2017-03-22T02:01:14 < Laurenceb_> why does such a thing even exist
2017-03-22T02:01:48 < kakimir> because makering
2017-03-22T02:02:12 < kakimir> I actually want a few
2017-03-22T02:02:21 < Laurenceb_> even entry level avr can drive 32khz xtal
2017-03-22T02:02:30 < kakimir> yes
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2017-03-22T02:03:11 < kakimir> lpc1111 doesn't have a rtc
2017-03-22T02:03:38 < kakimir> I wonder is stm32f3 devboards I ordered have rtc crystal and bat input
2017-03-22T02:05:30 < kakimir> stm32f103*
2017-03-22T02:05:46 < kakimir> yes
2017-03-22T02:05:48 < kakimir> there is
2017-03-22T02:07:14 < kakimir> I need 2 devices to have synced clocks
2017-03-22T02:07:32 < kakimir> when I do measurements over a period of time
2017-03-22T02:07:40 < kakimir> then combine them on computers
2017-03-22T02:07:50 < kakimir> but I don't even need rtc for it
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2017-03-22T02:30:06 < upgrdman> kakimir, just toggle a GPIO at like 50MHz, and put a long ass wire on it. then PLL to it with your other STM32.
2017-03-22T02:30:33 < upgrdman> ghetto clock sync'ing
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2017-03-22T02:35:13 < ds2> what? no GPS and 1pps signals? :D
2017-03-22T02:35:16 < kakimir> sorry I meant those devices are seperate
2017-03-22T02:35:21 < kakimir> and in seperate locations
2017-03-22T02:35:32 < kakimir> measuring different parts of the system
2017-03-22T02:39:19 < Thorn> Ethernet PTP
2017-03-22T02:39:39 < Thorn> stm32 supports it
2017-03-22T02:39:48 < sync_> csac
2017-03-22T02:41:06 < Laurenceb_> just grab a module from leobodnar.com
2017-03-22T02:41:53 < Laurenceb_> but he uses atmel SAM and crazy hand optimised thumb
2017-03-22T02:42:21 < Laurenceb_> written on sheets of paper with no pc involved
2017-03-22T02:43:36 < Laurenceb_> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=120&products_id=272
2017-03-22T02:47:10  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2017-03-22T02:48:10 < branjb> anyone here speak swiss?
2017-03-22T02:48:27 < Thorn> wtf https://ae01.alicdn.com/aecbu/img/ibank/2016/957/061/3310160759_554725189.jpg
2017-03-22T02:48:37 < branjb> what is KMS-1102NL?  only datasheets are popping up in swiss/chinese
2017-03-22T02:49:05 < ds2> as in cheese?
2017-03-22T02:49:17 < branjb> yeah i thought of that as soon as i hit enter
2017-03-22T02:50:29 < upgrdman> branjb, tectu is swiss, but hes not here now
2017-03-22T02:51:05 < branjb> how bout german
2017-03-22T02:51:06 < branjb> https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/kms-1102nl-2-magnetic-cores-16-pins-smt-100-base-tx-discrete-magnetic-transformer-modules-60490444274.html#!
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2017-03-22T02:51:42 < branjb> network transformer
2017-03-22T02:53:26 < kakimir> no ethernet
2017-03-22T02:53:34 < kakimir> I need physical sync event
2017-03-22T02:54:23 < kakimir> so probs connect groundplanes and sync GPIO pins and have some button on one device
2017-03-22T02:54:32 < kakimir> that drives it high
2017-03-22T02:54:46 < kakimir> then disconnect devices
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2017-03-22T03:10:00 < kakimir> hey.. have no button but a circuit that closes and opens
2017-03-22T03:10:17 < kakimir> just connect and disconnect
2017-03-22T03:10:21 < kakimir> synced
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2017-03-22T03:36:52 < branjb> anyone have an example of clocking a eth PHY via uC output?
2017-03-22T03:37:03 < dongs> yeah, connect it to MCO
2017-03-22T03:37:10 < branjb> lol
2017-03-22T03:37:14 < dongs> and enable it
2017-03-22T03:37:19 < branjb> sch wise
2017-03-22T03:37:21 < dongs> and y our crystal better be 25mhz
2017-03-22T03:37:23 < dongs> literally that
2017-03-22T03:37:30 < dongs> PA8? -> clk_in on phy.
2017-03-22T03:37:33 < branjb> is it just connect uC output to xtal1/clkin?
2017-03-22T03:37:37 < dongs> yes
2017-03-22T03:37:39 < branjb> xtal2 float?
2017-03-22T03:37:44 < dongs> maybe through a cap, read datasheet for y our phy
2017-03-22T03:37:49 < branjb> k
2017-03-22T03:37:51 < branjb> good idea
2017-03-22T03:38:20 < branjb> thx dongs
2017-03-22T03:38:34 < branjb> always answering dumb q's w/ common sense
2017-03-22T03:40:23 < branjb> my uC crystal is 16 mhz, can't i just PLL magik it to 25 mhz for my phy?
2017-03-22T03:40:30 < dongs> you could also clockshare from mcu crystal, i did that before on something else (not ethernet related)
2017-03-22T03:40:59 < dongs> just connect xtal1 of both parts to same xtal
2017-03-22T03:41:22 < dongs> and xtal2 to main thing, like mcu or whatever will make it oscillate
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2017-03-22T03:56:57 < dongs> microchipDIRECT keeps spamming me how i can get some atmega328P with free shipping if i wanted to
2017-03-22T03:57:56 < scrts> the best spam ever!
2017-03-22T03:59:10 < branjb> nice
2017-03-22T03:59:17 < dongs> stm32cubemx 4.20 is out
2017-03-22T03:59:21 < dongs> the best version ever.
2017-03-22T03:59:41 < dongs> oo looks like there's lowlevel libs for F3 now
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2017-03-22T04:00:36 < dongs> so fucking hard to find anything useful on ST site tho
2017-03-22T04:08:42 < dongs> what the fuck cube firmware packages are like half a gig+ these days
2017-03-22T04:09:27 < dongs> so they dont allow direct download of LL Stuff looks like
2017-03-22T04:09:31 < dongs> have togo through cube anyway??...
2017-03-22T04:11:34 < dongs> so apparently all of them have LL api now
2017-03-22T04:11:40 < dongs> time to download 2gb of shit and find out
2017-03-22T04:11:42 < dongs> thanks, ST
2017-03-22T04:12:12 < dongs> 4,20 update and all current firmware support packages have "added LL APi support" in changelog
2017-03-22T04:12:23 < dongs> for F0/F1/F3/F4/F7
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2017-03-22T04:15:30 < stm32> IT'S TOO LATE
2017-03-22T04:15:34 < stm32> WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DO
2017-03-22T04:16:02 < dongs> get stoned
2017-03-22T04:16:34 < branjb> the cube
2017-03-22T04:16:39 < branjb> that's some good marketing team
2017-03-22T04:17:15 < dongs> timecube
2017-03-22T04:22:46 < scrts> too bad stm32 does not offer automotive grade
2017-03-22T04:23:14 < scrts> have to select something stupid from pic series...
2017-03-22T04:23:31 < scrts> or renesas.. or infineon.. completely undocumented shit
2017-03-22T04:24:05 < dongs> picaxe
2017-03-22T04:32:57 < stm32> bahahha that garbage
2017-03-22T04:35:43 < englishman> branjb: did you know that switzerland has 4 official languages, and none of them are "swiss"
2017-03-22T04:35:54 < stm32> tectuism
2017-03-22T04:36:21 < stm32> tectu runs a bootleg industry importing stroopwafels
2017-03-22T04:36:32 < stm32> which are full of cocaine
2017-03-22T04:37:03 < stm32> c/o steffan
2017-03-22T04:37:48 < emeb_mac> mmm... stroopwafels
2017-03-22T04:39:50 < stm32> cinnamon and cocaine
2017-03-22T04:39:54 < stm32> gods finest creations
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2017-03-22T08:09:43 < Rickta59> so LL is basically SPL with new defines?
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2017-03-22T08:22:34 < dongs> yes
2017-03-22T08:22:38 < dongs> but i cant find it for any new parts
2017-03-22T08:22:42 < dongs> despite what cubetrash changelog says
2017-03-22T08:22:57 < Rickta59> yeah i don't see any new ll stuff for the stm32f1
2017-03-22T08:24:09 < dongs> oh
2017-03-22T08:24:12 < dongs> i see ll stuff
2017-03-22T08:24:23 < Rickta59> the only thing i see offered as ll is fsmc, sdmmc, and usb
2017-03-22T08:24:30 < dongs> right
2017-03-22T08:24:35 < Rickta59> everything else has hal in front of it
2017-03-22T08:24:58 < Rickta59> same bloated crap as before
2017-03-22T08:25:15 < dongs> god damn
2017-03-22T08:25:17 < dongs> yeah what the hell
2017-03-22T08:25:22 < dongs> LL shit looks just as awful as hal
2017-03-22T08:25:26 < dongs> ...
2017-03-22T08:25:45 < Rickta59> i've given up on them, i just use the latest CubeMX CMSIS device header and just go at the registers
2017-03-22T08:26:06 < dongs> thats a bit too hardcore
2017-03-22T08:26:17 < dongs> i wanna finish my projects before i'm 90
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2017-03-22T08:28:38 < dongs> there's a 'driver selector' now
2017-03-22T08:28:41 < dongs> but all is ee it offering is HAL
2017-03-22T08:28:41 < dongs> fuck
2017-03-22T08:28:43 < dongs> complete aids
2017-03-22T08:38:22 < upgrdman> lol. that PhotonicInduction guy got a mail order bride from india     https://youtu.be/aPITN7huTEo?t=1750
2017-03-22T08:38:51 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhNMpvtkNgg wat, yaga book?
2017-03-22T08:39:13 < upgrdman> also, damn, indian girls get fat as fuck
2017-03-22T08:45:55 < stm32> u wot mate
2017-03-22T08:47:54 < dongs> youd think in a shitpoor country
2017-03-22T08:47:56 < dongs> they would be less fat
2017-03-22T08:48:28 < stm32> they eat their babies
2017-03-22T08:48:41 < dongs> probably not wrong
2017-03-22T08:49:06 < stm32> never wrong 
2017-03-22T08:49:11 < stm32> pumping clean since 2016
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2017-03-22T09:07:49 < stm32> CALL ME THE SINKER
2017-03-22T09:08:27 < stm32> electronics repair induced assburgers
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2017-03-22T09:28:02 < dongs> any recent mt.gox news
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2017-03-22T09:41:14 < zyp> they still exist?
2017-03-22T09:42:54 < zyp> re: poor/fat: poor people have a less healthy lifestyle
2017-03-22T09:43:09 < zyp> it's not just a matter of how much you eat, but also what you eat
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2017-03-22T09:56:08 < ohsix> ReadError: real time switched to an alternate intro
2017-03-22T09:56:19 < ohsix> the militant one was really stupid huhu
2017-03-22T09:56:46 < ohsix> the alt is hip hop and has rotating figures and stuff as a theme
2017-03-22T09:56:46 < dongs> zyp, on F4 is OTG_FS and OTG_HS with FS PHY = same programming model?
2017-03-22T09:57:56 < zyp> yeah
2017-03-22T09:58:19 < zyp> hmm, maybe PHYSEL bit needs to be changed, I don't remember
2017-03-22T09:59:30 < dongs> ok, but otherwise its same rihgt?
2017-03-22T09:59:42 < zyp> yeah
2017-03-22T09:59:46 < dongs> but can it bootload over the OTG_HS?
2017-03-22T10:00:05 < zyp> no, I think rom bootloader only checks OTG_FS
2017-03-22T10:00:15 < zyp> of course, if you roll your own, you can do whatever you want
2017-03-22T10:02:09 < zyp> hmm, judging by my old code, I guess that OTG_FS doesn't really care about PHYSEL, while OTG_HS needs it to be 1 to use internal phy
2017-03-22T10:02:20 < zyp> so no changes needed if you set it to 1 in either case
2017-03-22T10:03:45 < zyp> OTG_HS also has more endpoints and more buffer memory, so you can do more with it, but it's all a superset, so whatever works on FS will also works on HS, but not the other way around
2017-03-22T10:09:49 < dongs> yeah looks ilek BL only works off OTG_FS
2017-03-22T10:19:00 < stm32> the dirty hour
2017-03-22T10:19:21 < stm32> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JdzsyEIL/IMG_1424.JPG
2017-03-22T10:25:15 < zyp> dongs, that's just another reason to do custom bootloader then
2017-03-22T10:33:18 < stm32> ihre papier bitte
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2017-03-22T10:34:08 < Steffanx> Gutenmorgen mein herr stm32 
2017-03-22T10:35:19 < stm32> o/
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2017-03-22T10:36:16 < dongs> zyp, that requires actual skill
2017-03-22T10:36:45 < stm32> better consult &6
2017-03-22T10:36:50 < zyp> write once, reuse
2017-03-22T10:37:34 < zyp> didn't you already do a dfuse compatible bootloader a while ago?
2017-03-22T10:37:41 < zyp> how did that turn out?
2017-03-22T10:39:23 < stm32> quote repair - yeah mate i think this'll be a 6 beer job
2017-03-22T10:40:21 < dongs> zyp, works fine
2017-03-22T10:40:23 < dongs> its huge tho
2017-03-22T10:40:38 < stm32> does it look bigger than stephens
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2017-03-22T10:40:59 < zyp> dongs, how big?
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2017-03-22T10:41:20 < dongs> 12k i think
2017-03-22T10:41:26 < dongs> at least thats what I reserved for it
2017-03-22T10:41:28 < dongs> its around 9k compiled
2017-03-22T10:41:31 < dongs> so > 8k but < 12k
2017-03-22T10:41:50 < zyp> IIRC sector 0 on F4 is 16k, so it only occupies one sector anyway
2017-03-22T10:41:55 < zyp> :p
2017-03-22T10:42:01 < dongs> heh
2017-03-22T10:42:47 < zyp> 9k is not too bad, given that it contains a bunch more bullshit than mine
2017-03-22T10:43:38 < svasi> Hi, I need help. You won't prompt, software usb-host for stm32F103
2017-03-22T10:46:50 < dongs> say wat
2017-03-22T10:46:53 < dongs> > software
2017-03-22T10:46:57 < dongs> you mean like, avr buttbang?
2017-03-22T10:49:21 < dongs> zyp, yeah
2017-03-22T10:49:31 < dongs> also I think last version I ended up with handles 2 dfu targets
2017-03-22T10:49:36 < dongs> internal flash and external SPI
2017-03-22T10:51:22 < zyp> ah, right, that's what you needed it for
2017-03-22T10:54:14 < svasi> I wanna make usb-host for virtual-com port (for usb-device) 
2017-03-22T10:54:24 < dongs> easy
2017-03-22T10:54:35 < PaulFertser> svasi: the latest development in the software usb host: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2016/Fahrplan/events/8031.html 
2017-03-22T10:54:39 < PaulFertser> device of course
2017-03-22T10:55:02 < PaulFertser> svasi: for host you'll just have to use an stm32 with OTG core it seems.
2017-03-22T10:56:04 < dongs> PaulFertser: heh, i chatted with that guy
2017-03-22T10:56:20 < dongs> but the processor he chose is garbage.
2017-03-22T10:56:28 < dongs> also he's kinda nutty opensores dude
2017-03-22T10:56:34 < dongs> not something I'd wanna use in production etc
2017-03-22T10:57:20 < dongs> also pretty sure theres F0 w/USB and sub $1
2017-03-22T10:57:24 < dongs> even in singles.
2017-03-22T10:57:35 < svasi> I search solution like v-usb or tinyusb for stm32f103 (I known may by use stm32F405/407, but I need for stm32103)
2017-03-22T10:57:58 < dongs> doesnt exist.
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2017-03-22T10:59:07 < svasi> PaulFertser: thanks, I will understand
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2017-03-22T11:01:26 < zyp> PaulFertser, that's also LS usb, and a bitbanged LS host would probably be pretty useless
2017-03-22T11:01:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: iirc he outlined some reasoning behind his project. It's more of a "because we can" tinkering thing than the intention to compete with production commercial usb cores.
2017-03-22T11:01:35 < PaulFertser> zyp: of course
2017-03-22T11:01:38 < dongs> PaulFertser: correct.
2017-03-22T11:01:52 < dongs> typical opensores motto of "just because we can"
2017-03-22T11:01:56 < zyp> pretty much the only LS devices in existence are usb keyboards
2017-03-22T11:01:59 < dongs> but 99.9% of the time that doesn't mean "that you should"
2017-03-22T11:02:08 < zyp> most other devices requires at least FS
2017-03-22T11:02:56 < PaulFertser> He might want to attach avr v-usb to that LS host :)
2017-03-22T11:03:15 < zyp> :)
2017-03-22T11:04:09 < dongs> heh
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2017-03-22T11:10:04 < stm32> avr wtf
2017-03-22T11:11:07 < stm32> i thought we were all like 'stm32 to weed out those jews'
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2017-03-22T11:33:24 < mtbg> but then we got eclipse and cmsis
2017-03-22T11:33:42 < dongs> the latter is not necessarily a bad thing
2017-03-22T11:33:44 < dongs> the former however...
2017-03-22T11:33:45 < mtbg> peripheral library
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2017-03-22T11:46:56 < dongs> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/21/friends-killed-carbon-monoxide-ford-fiesta-souped-up-improve/ lol
2017-03-22T11:50:34 < PeterM> i dont think detective inspector robert kirby knows what the fuck hes going on about
2017-03-22T11:50:35 < PeterM> "A unique set of events came together to allow this tragic incident to happen. A gap in the exhaust system where the exhaust meets the engine allowed fumes to escape.
2017-03-22T11:50:35 < PeterM> "Compounded by the fact the car had had its catalytic converter removed (which normally dissipates harmful emissions). Vents underneath the windscreen wipers then in-took the emissions from the gaps in the bonnet."
2017-03-22T11:50:46 < jadew> who doesn't take exhaust fumes into account?
2017-03-22T11:50:50 < PeterM> >Compounded by the fact the car had had its catalytic converter removed (which normally dissipates harmful emissions). 
2017-03-22T11:50:58 < jadew> I even consider them when I dig my car out of the snow
2017-03-22T11:51:02 < PeterM> that shit has nothing to do with it
2017-03-22T11:51:16 < jadew> I first undig the exhaust pipe and don't let anyone stay in the car until that's done
2017-03-22T11:51:42 < PeterM> if the fumes were comming out from a gap bewteen the manifold nad hte block, the cat isn't going to do shit
2017-03-22T11:51:52 < PeterM> even if it is intact
2017-03-22T11:52:22 < PeterM> dude probably was lazy when putting the manifold back on and didnt put a new gasket on it
2017-03-22T11:52:23 < jadew> *dig out
2017-03-22T11:52:31 < dongs> is that the bubble thing that goes on exhaust pipes?
2017-03-22T11:52:42 < dongs> cuz isnt that usaully way hte fuck under the car and away freom engine
2017-03-22T11:54:22 < dongs> hm maybe im thinking muffler
2017-03-22T11:54:28 < PeterM> it's not that far back, usually the frotn of the cat is inline iwht the firewall
2017-03-22T11:54:34 < PeterM> BUT
2017-03-22T11:55:17 < PeterM> that doesn';t chanegthe fact that if the leak is between the exhause(manifold) nad hte engine(block), it aint getting to tyhe acat anyway
2017-03-22T11:55:57 < jadew> here's a question tho, wouldn't you feel the fumes before they accumulate enough to kill you?
2017-03-22T11:56:12 < jadew> I always feel exhaust fumes in the car if they manage to get in
2017-03-22T11:56:29 < jadew> they smell a certain way
2017-03-22T11:56:33 < dongs> isnt CO odorless
2017-03-22T11:56:34 < dongs> or whatever
2017-03-22T11:56:37 < Steffanx> CO is the perfect killer.
2017-03-22T11:56:48 < jadew> yeah, but it's not only CO
2017-03-22T11:56:55 < Steffanx> I cannot imagine you dont smell other crap
2017-03-22T11:56:55 < jadew> there's other shit in there
2017-03-22T11:57:13 < Steffanx> Unless they were also stoning as hell
2017-03-22T11:57:20 < dongs> did you look at their pics
2017-03-22T11:57:27 < dongs> they were definitely getting stoned
2017-03-22T12:00:07 < PeterM> they were probably bangin' or atleast trying to eat each others faces
2017-03-22T12:00:25 < stm32> o;3
2017-03-22T12:00:32 < dongs> more like o;6
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2017-03-22T12:02:36  * karlp is so happy we hardly ever get snow up to exhaust pipe levels.
2017-03-22T12:05:40 < Steffanx> Mainy because you all drive in huge jeeps/rovers?
2017-03-22T12:06:33 < zyp> I'm happy my car doesn't have an exhaust pipe :)
2017-03-22T12:07:35 < Steffanx> :P
2017-03-22T12:07:48 < stm32> innovate with stroopwafel technology
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2017-03-22T12:09:38 < eu_> Hi all. Anyone know, how to invert TIM1 channel state, so when timer inactive, that state must be high. And pwm signal should be inverted'
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2017-03-22T12:10:03 < dongs> yeah.
2017-03-22T12:10:10 < zyp> see, now he left because you don't replied fast enough
2017-03-22T12:10:13 < zyp> assholes.
2017-03-22T12:10:24 < zyp> didn't reply*
2017-03-22T12:10:48 < stm32> fuck
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2017-03-22T12:11:05 < stm32> he should have flipped the MCU upside down, duh.\\
2017-03-22T12:11:18 < dongs> add a XOR gate at the output of TIM1
2017-03-22T12:11:32 < dongs> or NOT? or someshit i donno
2017-03-22T12:11:46 < stm32> can i get drunk off IPA
2017-03-22T12:12:24 < eu_> @stm32 cool story
2017-03-22T12:12:56 < stm32> not one for creative writing
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2017-03-22T12:13:17 < eu_> dongs what else?
2017-03-22T12:14:03 < dongs> eu_: ocpolarity stuff
2017-03-22T12:15:33 < zyp> eu_, have you tried reading the TIM1 chapter in the reference manual for your chip?
2017-03-22T12:15:39 < zyp> it should answer your question
2017-03-22T12:16:53 < zyp> IIRC the register that controls whether a pin is used for input capture or output compare is also used to select whether OC is active high or low
2017-03-22T12:17:08 < eu_> @dongs Sure. But what happens with output, if timer was not running?
2017-03-22T12:17:21 < dongs> thats ocidlestate
2017-03-22T12:17:22 < dongs> comeon dude.
2017-03-22T12:17:27 < dongs> think]
2017-03-22T12:17:58 < eu_> @dongs thanks. i've seen this bit, but was not sure. will try
2017-03-22T12:18:14 < sync_> PeterM: the cat on the fiesta st is directly behind the turbo outlet
2017-03-22T12:20:37 < PeterM> sync_ fair nuff, but that still changes nothing, unless it was leaking form there, not the described position of  the  leak
2017-03-22T12:22:01 < dongs> looks good
2017-03-22T12:22:12 < stm32> glue it back together, should work fine
2017-03-22T12:22:31 < sync_> well PeterM, it is just bolted on the turbine flange, so if he fucked that up
2017-03-22T12:23:18 < stm32> guess that current sense transformer did a fat load of good
2017-03-22T12:23:48 < eu_> dongs OCPolarity works
2017-03-22T12:24:03 < stm32> dongs knows stm32
2017-03-22T12:25:05 < stm32> gotta find me some farken iggys
2017-03-22T12:25:12 < PeterM> sure, but that is information we will never know
2017-03-22T12:26:12 < stm32> now to rebuild the drivers
2017-03-22T12:26:28 < PeterM> im still going with poorly installed or complete lack of gaskets
2017-03-22T12:26:42 < PeterM> or shit not being tightened
2017-03-22T12:28:13 < stm32> 10r resistor ist 15r
2017-03-22T12:28:16 < stm32> oh no
2017-03-22T12:28:54 < PeterM> what do you mean 5r isnt 30r?
2017-03-22T12:29:07 < PeterM> i dunno what you're taking about 1 r isnt 100r
2017-03-22T12:29:44 < stm32> talk to the toasted igbt
2017-03-22T12:29:48 < stm32> i know nuffen
2017-03-22T12:34:21 < karlp> Steffanx: welll, there's that, yes, but no, we just generally don't get that much snow.  and my ford focus isn't that tall.
2017-03-22T12:35:12 < zyp> I cleaned the underside of my car a few weeks ago by driving through an empty parking lot with pretty deep snow
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2017-03-22T12:35:50 < zhivko> hey guys!
2017-03-22T12:35:54 < zhivko> hello!
2017-03-22T12:36:31 < stm32> get out
2017-03-22T12:36:43 < zhivko> may I ask - would modifying DBGMCU_CR allow the systick to run while I am debugging proc ?
2017-03-22T12:37:11 < zyp> what does the description of DBGMCU_CR say?
2017-03-22T12:37:30  * karlp grins
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2017-03-22T12:39:02 < stm32> keil includes the freelancer API 
2017-03-22T12:39:35 < stm32> just press the CAN'T BE FUCKED button and enter the dollar amount in rupees
2017-03-22T12:43:55 < zhivko> I see everybody realy hates newbies here :(
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2017-03-22T12:44:25 < stm32> nah
2017-03-22T12:44:27 < stm32> you're okay
2017-03-22T12:44:51 < stm32> just as long as your nick isn't leeloominai
2017-03-22T12:48:48 < stm32> i need 2 piss
2017-03-22T12:49:04 < dongs> 31337 INR
2017-03-22T12:49:11 < zyp> zhivko, I don't hate newbies, I just like encouraging people to read the documentation
2017-03-22T12:49:27 < zyp> because otherwise I would have to read the documentation for them to answer their questiosn
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2017-03-22T12:50:33 < stm32> 8 beers 3 ciders
2017-03-22T12:50:37 < stm32> 2 amps to repair
2017-03-22T12:50:41 < zyp> zhivko, when you're stating a question about a specific register that should be fairly easy to look up in the reference manual, you should do just that
2017-03-22T12:50:52 < zhivko> @zyp: I tried to look for DBGMCU_CR inside STM32F303xC.pdf - could not find anything...
2017-03-22T12:51:21 < zyp> zhivko, and if the reference manual doesn't give you the full answer, you can ask a more specific question about what you didn't understand
2017-03-22T12:51:24 < zyp> oh
2017-03-22T12:51:25 < zyp> well
2017-03-22T12:51:34 < zhivko> maybe I dont have right pdf...
2017-03-22T12:51:42 < zyp> maybe you first need to learn how to find the reference manual then, let's see
2017-03-22T12:51:45 < dongs>  < zhivko> may I ask - would modifying DBGMCU_CR allow the systick to run while I am debugging proc ?
2017-03-22T12:51:51 < dongs> how do you expect that to wokr anyway?
2017-03-22T12:51:56 < dongs> while cpu is paused, you want systick to run?
2017-03-22T12:52:04 < dongs> how exactly will it "run"
2017-03-22T12:52:07 < dongs> if its paused
2017-03-22T12:52:12 < zyp> dongs, keep counting
2017-03-22T12:52:17 < dongs> zyp, cyclecounter?
2017-03-22T12:52:21 < dongs> what would it count
2017-03-22T12:52:26 < dongs> if cpu isnt running
2017-03-22T12:52:33 < zhivko> maybe in another timer that is not paused
2017-03-22T12:52:40 < zyp> zhivko, here's the reference manual for f303: http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/4a/19/6e/18/9d/92/43/32/DM00043574.pdf/files/DM00043574.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00043574.pdf
2017-03-22T12:53:09 < zyp> page 1108 covers DBGMCU_CR
2017-03-22T12:53:20 < zhivko> https://arm-stm.blogspot.si/2014/12/debug-mcu-configuration-register.html
2017-03-22T12:54:20 < dongs> anyway to answer your question, systick stops wehn cpu is in debug, there's no DBGMCU bit to make it not so.
2017-03-22T12:54:28 < zyp> dongs, other timers can be optionally stopped or not, so why not systick? :)
2017-03-22T12:54:40 < dongs> zyp, beacuse why would you ahve systick if youre not servicing systick int errupt
2017-03-22T12:54:46 < zyp> (answer: systick is part of the ARM core, other timers are vendor periphs)
2017-03-22T12:54:49 < dongs> it serves no other purpose?
2017-03-22T12:55:48 < zyp> well, if the pause is short enough that you don't lose interrupts
2017-03-22T12:55:58 < zyp> say e.g. for semihosting
2017-03-22T12:56:15 < dongs> donno man
2017-03-22T12:56:18 < dongs> can't think of any use case
2017-03-22T12:56:20 < zyp> semihosting pauses for a bit on every call, which would increase the time between ticks
2017-03-22T12:56:26 < dongs> does it?
2017-03-22T12:56:32 < dongs> you mean writing to ITM debug shit?
2017-03-22T12:56:34 < dongs> or some other crap
2017-03-22T12:56:34 < zyp> that's how semihosting works
2017-03-22T12:56:35 < zyp> no
2017-03-22T12:56:40 < dongs> the int AB thing?
2017-03-22T12:56:47 < zyp> semihosting inserts a bkpt 0xAB
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2017-03-22T12:56:57 < dongs> well, that sounds like some lunix/gnu shit anyway.
2017-03-22T12:57:03 < zhivko> The DBGMCU_APB1_FZ register is used to configure the MCU under DEBUG. It concerns
2017-03-22T12:57:03 < zhivko> the APB1 peripherals: Timer clock counter freeze
2017-03-22T12:57:18 < zyp> dongs, eh, pretty sure keil got built in support for it
2017-03-22T12:57:24 < dongs> zyp, it doesnt
2017-03-22T12:57:35 < dongs> ive looked (thats how i knew that 0xab shit)
2017-03-22T12:57:36 < zhivko> So I guess setting DBGMCU_APB1_FZ can do that?
2017-03-22T12:57:39 < dongs> zyp: no
2017-03-22T12:57:40 < dongs> err zhivko no
2017-03-22T12:57:43 < zyp> dongs, http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/armcc/armcc_pge1358787046598.htm
2017-03-22T12:57:59 < stm32> fushiya nippers suck cock
2017-03-22T12:58:02 < dongs> zyp, yeah I know. but it doesnt work
2017-03-22T12:58:07 < zyp> haha
2017-03-22T12:58:12 < zyp> that's another matter :)
2017-03-22T12:58:12 < stm32> 'made in italy'
2017-03-22T12:58:38 < zyp> I've only used it in qemu
2017-03-22T12:59:06 < zyp> on target, the debugger round trip would probably make it prohibitively slow for a bunch of applications
2017-03-22T12:59:14 < zyp> like I said, it messes up timing since it pauses the cpu
2017-03-22T12:59:46 < dongs> donno, i just use ITM/SWO stuff
2017-03-22T13:00:00 < dongs> i think semihosting shit would be needed on like F0 or whatever shit without SWO
2017-03-22T13:01:00 < zhivko> So in cubemx headers I find this: DBGMCU_APB1_FZ_DBG_RTC_STOP
2017-03-22T13:01:13 < dongs> fucker do you even read
2017-03-22T13:01:20 < dongs> you were already told systick is unstoppable
2017-03-22T13:01:28 < dongs> stop looking
2017-03-22T13:01:43 < zhivko> What then is this for: __HAL_DBGMCU_UNFREEZE_RTC() ?
2017-03-22T13:01:50 < dongs> for REAL TIME CLOCK
2017-03-22T13:01:53 < dongs> you know, RTC
2017-03-22T13:02:50 < zhivko> ok sorry it sounded like it could do what I need...
2017-03-22T13:03:03 < dongs> zyp, did you use a dual rj45 in any of your shit
2017-03-22T13:03:08 < dongs> or were all yours single
2017-03-22T13:03:24 < zyp> only RJ45 I've used so far were the magjack thing on LL board
2017-03-22T13:03:27 < dongs> ah ok
2017-03-22T13:03:37 < dongs> looking for common footprint for non-magjack one
2017-03-22T13:03:45 < dongs> i think my dmxpal has some
2017-03-22T13:03:56 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/6116353-4/6116353-4-ND/2135762 probly this
2017-03-22T13:04:03 < dongs> as that looks similar to the single thats csloned all over china
2017-03-22T13:04:24 < zyp> yeah
2017-03-22T13:05:27 < dongs> hm, leds on those are done by reversing the current? heh
2017-03-22T13:05:30 < stm32> http://www.fujiya-kk.com/en/products/47/
2017-03-22T13:05:34 < stm32> good timesaver
2017-03-22T13:06:35 < sync_> good nut rounder
2017-03-22T13:07:37 < stm32> :P
2017-03-22T13:08:06 < stm32> either that or i have to remove 2 sub assembles (desolder 20 pins etc)
2017-03-22T13:08:28 < stm32> since i'm repairing china garbage tonight it don't matter
2017-03-22T13:12:43 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/what-the-fuck-is-this/32775863069.html
2017-03-22T13:13:41 < karlp> stupid conference room shit
2017-03-22T13:13:50 < dongs> which part is motorized tho
2017-03-22T13:13:52 < karlp> push a button to have it rotate up and let you access the ports
2017-03-22T13:13:56 < dongs> it looks like a multitap with shit
2017-03-22T13:13:56 < stm32> just pretend you didn't see it
2017-03-22T13:13:58 < karlp> if I understand it correctly.
2017-03-22T13:14:07 < dongs> what if shit is plugged in
2017-03-22T13:14:09 < dongs> while it rotates
2017-03-22T13:14:22 < karlp> it will get stuck
2017-03-22T13:14:28 < karlp> dont' close the door while your cock is stuck in it.
2017-03-22T13:14:41 < karlp> it's just for makign the top of the conference room table "smooth/pretty" when not in use.
2017-03-22T13:14:58 < karlp> push button, deploy the sockets! plug in, use, unplug, push button to retract the sockets
2017-03-22T13:16:12 < stm32> lol
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2017-03-22T13:16:29 < stm32> don't be discouraged about sticking your cock in things
2017-03-22T13:21:47 < zhivko> thx guys for taking time.
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2017-03-22T13:27:24 < stm32> ty 
2017-03-22T13:43:49 < stm32> where is peter mate
2017-03-22T13:44:06 < dongs> digging his tractor out of manure
2017-03-22T13:44:22 < stm32> this power supply is on drugs
2017-03-22T13:44:41 < stm32> +/- 210v
2017-03-22T13:45:44 < stm32> who in their right mind would design this
2017-03-22T13:46:05 < dongs> double click protel99.exe
2017-03-22T13:46:12 < stm32> yeah :?
2017-03-22T13:46:17 < stm32> ;/
2017-03-22T13:46:24 < dongs> copy oldshit.sch newshit.sch
2017-03-22T13:46:27 < dongs> release
2017-03-22T13:46:33 < stm32> yea
2017-03-22T13:49:02 < stm32> no wonder i have so many blown amp modules
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2017-03-22T13:49:59 < stm32> series resonant converter needs proper control
2017-03-22T13:50:55 < stm32> im sure they designed it to stay in ZVS regardless of output voltage
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2017-03-22T13:55:38 < jadew> where's CRT?
2017-03-22T13:55:46 < jadew> *crt
2017-03-22T13:55:54 < stm32> here mate
2017-03-22T13:56:02 < jadew> ffs...
2017-03-22T13:56:07 < jadew> lol
2017-03-22T13:56:09 < stm32> what do you want that prick for anyway
2017-03-22T13:56:20 < jadew> oh, I thought it was you
2017-03-22T13:56:31 < stm32> sure
2017-03-22T13:56:46 < jadew> I want to put a small speaker inside a case
2017-03-22T13:56:58 < stm32> good 
2017-03-22T13:57:01 < stm32> put it in
2017-03-22T13:57:02 < jadew> and I don't know if I should glue it straight on the side with the holes or if it should be recessed
2017-03-22T13:57:11 < stm32> what
2017-03-22T13:57:23 < stm32> :3
2017-03-22T13:57:37 < stm32> screw it into metal threads
2017-03-22T13:57:50 < jadew> it doesn't have screw holes, I'll glue it
2017-03-22T13:58:02 < stm32> teen nuts
2017-03-22T13:58:05 < stm32> LOL
2017-03-22T13:58:07 < stm32> tee nuts
2017-03-22T13:58:16 < stm32> https://3.imimg.com/data3/TX/FU/MY-3565628/t-nut-250x250.jpg
2017-03-22T13:58:31 < dongs> ur a teen nut
2017-03-22T13:58:41 < stm32> hahaha
2017-03-22T14:03:00 < jadew> http://82.76.177.134/stuff/20170322_135850.jpg
2017-03-22T14:03:25 < jadew> that's what I have to work with, I don't want to complicate myself unless it's necessary
2017-03-22T14:03:40 < jadew> so if I have to put some distance between the speaker and the case
2017-03-22T14:03:51 < stm32> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2017-03-22T14:03:58 < stm32> ok
2017-03-22T14:04:03 < stm32> i see
2017-03-22T14:04:29 < jadew> otherwise, I'll just glue it in, I don't care about how bad it looks
2017-03-22T14:04:31 < dongs> that speaker
2017-03-22T14:04:33 < dongs> pro as fuck
2017-03-22T14:04:37 < englishman> duct tape
2017-03-22T14:04:41 < jadew> heh
2017-03-22T14:04:44 < dongs> spray foam
2017-03-22T14:04:45 < jadew> it's not meant to be pro
2017-03-22T14:04:53 < englishman> absorbs vibration for less jitter
2017-03-22T14:05:00 < jadew> I just need some sound coming out of this thing
2017-03-22T14:05:05 < dongs> http://gcssprayfoam.com/wp-content/uploads/sitspray.jpg
2017-03-22T14:05:36 < jadew> so, glued in or recessed?
2017-03-22T14:05:37 < dongs> http://img2-2.timeinc.net/toh/i/a/tools/foam-spray-00.jpg what i meant is this of course
2017-03-22T14:05:44 < dongs> GREAT STUFF
2017-03-22T14:06:02 < karlp> jadew: why are you even thinking about recessed?
2017-03-22T14:07:12 < jadew> karlp, I don't know much about acoustics but I did notice that the output power changes based on how far it is from obstacles/walls (in front and behind it)
2017-03-22T14:07:52 < dongs> whats the common/standard single rs485 tranceiver thingy
2017-03-22T14:07:59 < dongs> zyp: the shit you used on ISBJVSD?
2017-03-22T14:08:01 < jadew> so I don't know what's best for the output power/sound quality, to be flat on the side it's mounted on, or slightly recessed so air can pass between the speaker and the case
2017-03-22T14:08:18 < dongs> heh max 485
2017-03-22T14:08:40 < dongs> yes thats it.
2017-03-22T14:08:54 < stm32> doesnt matter
2017-03-22T14:09:02 < stm32> for that at least
2017-03-22T14:09:19 < jadew> stm32, cool, thanks, then I'll just glue it in
2017-03-22T14:17:01 < karlp> dongs: max485 is standard footprint, but not cheapest, that's the ISL83483
2017-03-22T14:17:42 < dongs> isl = chepset?
2017-03-22T14:17:50 < karlp> cheapeast I've ever found.
2017-03-22T14:17:58 < karlp> maybe your lady knows cheaper.
2017-03-22T14:17:59 < dongs> 3.3 supply, doh
2017-03-22T14:18:00 < dongs> yea
2017-03-22T14:18:05 < karlp> you can get it in 5v or 3v3
2017-03-22T14:18:13 < karlp> it's a whoel family.
2017-03-22T14:18:14 < dongs> yeah i can see that by reading more than one line in datasheet
2017-03-22T14:18:20  * karlp grins
2017-03-22T14:18:22 < dongs> cool
2017-03-22T14:18:31 < dongs> why the fuck does intersil site look ike a fucking blog
2017-03-22T14:18:36 < dongs> jesus fuck web design is going downhill
2017-03-22T14:19:03 < stm32> graduates
2017-03-22T14:19:40 < dongs> why does that shit come in SOIC14
2017-03-22T14:19:42 < dongs> with half hte pins unused
2017-03-22T14:20:03 < stm32> if the goys find out universities don't result on jobs, the jews are gonna flip
2017-03-22T14:24:09 < zyp> dongs, probably standard rs422 footprint
2017-03-22T14:24:32 < zyp> rs422 is like rs485 with discrete rx and tx wiring
2017-03-22T14:27:57 < englishman> pretty sure intersil was sold to the japs. so of course quality is going downhill
2017-03-22T14:28:56 < dongs> racistsil
2017-03-22T14:31:03 < englishman> looks allpcb order will arrive today
2017-03-22T14:34:04 < jadew> I wasn't able to order from them
2017-03-22T14:34:29 < jadew> their web app is stupid
2017-03-22T14:34:36 < stm32> bunch of duded up egg sucking gutter trash
2017-03-22T14:34:58 < englishman> jadew: worksonmymachine.pro
2017-03-22T14:35:49 < jadew> englishman, yeah
2017-03-22T14:36:03 < dongs> < jadew> their web app is stupid
2017-03-22T14:36:07 < dongs> he wanted jew shipping
2017-03-22T14:36:09 < dongs> of $0
2017-03-22T14:36:13 < dongs> so tehy didnt accept
2017-03-22T14:36:22 < dongs> chinagirl has a list of like 50 quadcopter-related shits
2017-03-22T14:36:24 < englishman> what was teh issue, its almost exactly the same as pcbway and some other reseller sites
2017-03-22T14:36:25 < dongs> from some customer in romania
2017-03-22T14:36:34 < dongs> i told her 'just tell the lazy kike to use hobbyking.com'
2017-03-22T14:36:47 < dongs> she sez, THIER SHIPPING IS TOO HIGH
2017-03-22T14:36:51 < dongs> pffft
2017-03-22T14:36:58 < jadew> englishman, it gave me quotes for things the selected fabs didn't do
2017-03-22T14:37:00 < stm32> fuck it
2017-03-22T14:37:05 < englishman> like what
2017-03-22T14:37:10 < englishman> they will all do 30l if you pay for it
2017-03-22T14:37:35 < dongs> he wants 30l AND doesn't wanna pay for it
2017-03-22T14:38:11 < jadew> englishman, I needed a 1mm board and the selected fab didn't have this thickness listed
2017-03-22T14:38:16 < karlp> even if it means resending it to someone else and charging you as an intermediary :)
2017-03-22T14:38:17 < jadew> (had others, but not this one)
2017-03-22T14:38:20 < dongs> thats beause its not standard
2017-03-22T14:38:23 < dongs> 0.8 or 1.2
2017-03-22T14:38:25 < dongs> do you even pcb?
2017-03-22T14:38:33 < jadew> well, I need 1
2017-03-22T14:38:39 < dongs> then you will need to pay for it
2017-03-22T14:38:46 < jadew> seeed does it
2017-03-22T14:38:57 < stm32> my JBC is so goood
2017-03-22T14:39:04 < dongs> have you measured seed's 1mm
2017-03-22T14:39:07 < dongs> i bet its either 0.8 or 1.23
2017-03-22T14:39:22 < jadew> dongs, no they have options for both 0.8 and 1.2
2017-03-22T14:39:22 < englishman> im sure if you order .8 or 1.2 some of the board will be 1mm due to china tolerances
2017-03-22T14:39:28 < jadew> heh
2017-03-22T14:39:37 < dongs> yes that
2017-03-22T14:39:59 < jadew> I guess I'll have to measure them
2017-03-22T14:40:17 < dongs> with how much you NEEDED 1mm, i'm surprised you haven't
2017-03-22T14:40:33 < englishman> and im willing to bet you dont actually need 1mm
2017-03-22T14:40:46 < zyp> why the fuck does thickness even matter?
2017-03-22T14:41:20 < dongs> he can't afford an enclosure machined enough to wehre 0.8 or 1.2mm is gonna make a differnce
2017-03-22T14:41:24 < jadew> zyp, to get a particular impedance for a given trace width
2017-03-22T14:41:38 < dongs> jadew: then you recalculate the impedance for different pcb thickness
2017-03-22T14:41:48 < dongs> also, none of those $5 for 10 f abs will do proper impedance matching anyway
2017-03-22T14:41:51 < jadew> yeah, but thicker board means bigger trace
2017-03-22T14:41:52 < dongs> so why does it even matter
2017-03-22T14:41:58 < zyp> so go 0.8
2017-03-22T14:42:02 < dongs> then you should have no problems with 0.8
2017-03-22T14:42:03 < jadew> and thinner board means less error tollerance
2017-03-22T14:42:10 < jadew> which is not great with FR-4
2017-03-22T14:42:25 < dongs> jadew, did you find me a 5.8ghz thing like nRF24
2017-03-22T14:42:25 < jadew> 1mm seemed like a good compromise
2017-03-22T14:42:43 < zyp> jadew, uh, that doesn't really make sense
2017-03-22T14:43:20 < jadew> zyp, the thinner the trace, the more important the dielectric constant is
2017-03-22T14:43:46 < jadew> well, the closer the trace is to the GND plane
2017-03-22T14:43:58 < englishman> rf error tolerances + non imepedance controlled chinapcb
2017-03-22T14:43:58 < jadew> so a thicker board means you get a bit more freedom there
2017-03-22T14:44:00 < englishman> yea
2017-03-22T14:44:07 < englishman> what frequency
2017-03-22T14:44:12 < englishman> its still gonna be fr4
2017-03-22T14:44:22 < sync_> just get rogers if you are that worried
2017-03-22T14:44:34 < jadew> up to 7 and a bit GHz
2017-03-22T14:44:36 < englishman> probably gonna lose more from fr4 than any impedance mismatch
2017-03-22T14:44:40 < englishman> 7ghz chinapcb
2017-03-22T14:45:20 < dongs> yeah goin for some super pro stuff there
2017-03-22T14:45:20 < jadew> sync_, I don't have money for that
2017-03-22T14:45:35 < sync_> it is not expensive to get rogers made
2017-03-22T14:45:36 < dongs> why are you doing ghz rf
2017-03-22T14:45:39 < dongs> if you have no money
2017-03-22T14:45:58 < sync_> my 6GHz amps boards were like 120€ for three
2017-03-22T14:46:15 < sync_> 100x80 or something rogers
2017-03-22T14:46:18 < stm32> 20-20khz is where its at :P
2017-03-22T14:46:19 < englishman> sync_ is a poor student and does 120G
2017-03-22T14:46:20 < dongs> why nothing like nrf24 exists for 5.8ghz ism band
2017-03-22T14:46:37 < jadew> sync_, well, that's expensive
2017-03-22T14:47:06 < sync_> cheaper than blowing a transistor
2017-03-22T14:47:08 < jadew> perhaps in bigger quantity it would be worth it, but otherwise it raises the BOM cost a lot
2017-03-22T14:47:17 < dongs> um
2017-03-22T14:47:24 < dongs> why are you worried about BOM cost in a prototype
2017-03-22T14:47:46 < dongs> one-off has a base cost that you are just not going to make any less
2017-03-22T14:47:52 < jadew> even if I end up selling this, it's still going to be in low quantities
2017-03-22T14:48:04 < dongs> bath time
2017-03-22T14:48:22 < englishman> have fun getting naked in a room full of undersexed men
2017-03-22T14:49:04 < stm32> fuckin dirrrrrty
2017-03-22T14:52:00 < sync_> ah that strange package nobody really uses
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2017-03-22T14:53:10 < stm32> to 264 mate
2017-03-22T14:53:16 < stm32> best package eva
2017-03-22T14:53:52 < stm32> chinese innovate the fuck out of it and put a 2n2222 and sell it as a 15A 230V transistor!
2017-03-22T14:58:31 < Steffanx> Where is crt?
2017-03-22T14:58:51 < stm32> here
2017-03-22T14:58:54 < stm32> there
2017-03-22T14:58:57 < stm32> everywhere
2017-03-22T15:00:28 < stm32> stroke of midnight
2017-03-22T15:00:31 < stm32> kangaroo island
2017-03-22T15:01:30 < Steffanx> Are you rapping?
2017-03-22T15:02:02 < Steffanx> Maybe fapping?
2017-03-22T15:02:12 < Steffanx> Or just pumping
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2017-03-22T15:10:06 < englishman> there are waffels in canada
2017-03-22T15:10:11 < englishman> smuggled thru customs
2017-03-22T15:10:12  * karlp cheers
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2017-03-22T15:33:51 < Steffanx> But are they in englishhouse yet englishman 
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2017-03-22T15:39:47 < englishman> negatory
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2017-03-22T15:46:35 < Steffanx> Damn canuck post is slow.
2017-03-22T15:53:05 < Fleck> http://imgur.com/a/jNRnO
2017-03-22T15:56:04 < Steffanx> :)
2017-03-22T15:56:15 < Steffanx> Got a quality product there.
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2017-03-22T16:08:43 < Fleck> right? :D
2017-03-22T16:16:49 < jadew> lol
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2017-03-22T17:16:18 < englishman> rip Laurenceb 
2017-03-22T17:24:34 < Steffanx> Was ist los?
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2017-03-22T17:40:55 < Steffanx> oh i see, Laurenceb went GTA.
2017-03-22T18:01:20 < karlp> are all the hakko style 5pin din handles compatible?
2017-03-22T18:03:00 < karlp> pretty tiny images there flyback.
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2017-03-22T18:14:17 < Laurenceb> sup
2017-03-22T18:14:21 < Laurenceb> it wasn't me
2017-03-22T18:15:23 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgtc.com/cxY2LwO.jpg
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2017-03-22T18:33:27 < zapb_> Hey, I'm trying to test automatically if the MemFault triggers, is there a way to return from the MemFault handler? At least it is possible to step out of the handler with GDB
2017-03-22T18:34:39 < zapb_> If the target is running the MemFault handler fires until I halt the target, is there a pending bit I have to clear that the target returns from the handler?
2017-03-22T18:35:22 < zapb_> I've already tried to clear the pending bit in SCB
2017-03-22T18:39:34 < zapb_> SCB/SHCSR to be precise
2017-03-22T18:47:41 < fenugrec> zapb_ what core is this ? M3 ?
2017-03-22T18:50:27 < kakimir> is there cheapoboards with SD card slot and cortex m3?
2017-03-22T18:51:09 < karlp> pretty sure ali/ebay have a dozen
2017-03-22T18:51:44 < englishman> some disco boards have microsd iirc
2017-03-22T18:52:23 < englishman> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits/32f412gdiscovery.html
2017-03-22T18:52:26 < englishman> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits/32f413hdiscovery.html
2017-03-22T18:52:29 < englishman> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits/32f469idiscovery.html
2017-03-22T18:52:33 < englishman> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits/32f746gdiscovery.html
2017-03-22T18:52:55 < englishman> like 3 seconds on st.com kaks, 2.5 seconds of that was waiting for the page to load
2017-03-22T18:53:50 < kakimir> cheapoboards
2017-03-22T18:54:00 < kakimir> I don't need all that crap
2017-03-22T18:54:11 < kakimir> just board with CM3 and sd card slot
2017-03-22T18:54:16 < kakimir> and breakouts
2017-03-22T18:54:20 < kakimir> and chinacheap
2017-03-22T18:55:26 < englishman> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/scam1/391730535773 + http://www.ebay.ca/itm/scam2/141976885465
2017-03-22T18:56:12 < zapb_> fenugrec: m7
2017-03-22T18:58:09 < emeryth> kakimir: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/STM32-core-development-TFT-LCD-screen-evaluation-board-with-high-speed-FSMC-SDIO-interface/32667841009.html
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2017-03-22T18:58:52 < scrts> who has ever heard of Non-maskable interrupt?
2017-03-22T18:59:00 < scrts> there's a pin NMI on micro
2017-03-22T18:59:03 < scrts> no idea what it does
2017-03-22T18:59:07 < scrts> tempted to pull down
2017-03-22T19:02:20 < emeryth> kakimir: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-STM32F103VCT6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board/32337199685.html
2017-03-22T19:03:04 < kakimir> too expensives
2017-03-22T19:03:46 < kakimir> pretty nice that first board
2017-03-22T19:04:07 < kakimir> screw holeas and all
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2017-03-22T19:06:32 < emeryth> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ARM-Minisystem-Development-Board-STM32-Development-Board-Core-Board-ESP-Network-STM32F103C8T6/32725174720.html
2017-03-22T19:06:43 < emeryth> this one has unpopulated tf slot
2017-03-22T19:09:08 < kakimir> microsd is all I use
2017-03-22T19:09:35 < karlp> that last black one is one of the nicest ali boards I've seen
2017-03-22T19:09:41 < karlp> reasonable sane layouts for things
2017-03-22T19:09:54 < emeryth> tf is microsd
2017-03-22T19:10:06 < karlp> useful silk, useful empty footprints
2017-03-22T19:10:42 < kakimir> only available in ali?
2017-03-22T19:10:53 < karlp> if it had put SWO on the second ground pin it would have been perfect
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2017-03-22T19:13:56 < kakimir> I go with the blac one
2017-03-22T19:14:01 < zapb_> fenugrec: any ideas?
2017-03-22T19:14:24 < fenugrec> zapb_ oh sorry, yeah I'm not sure about M7
2017-03-22T19:14:35 < fenugrec> have you checked the ARM / TRM
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2017-03-22T19:14:52 < zapb_> yep, reading about lockup state atm
2017-03-22T19:15:00 < zapb_> but not sure if this is the case
2017-03-22T19:15:10 < zapb_> fenugrec: do you know how to handle this for M3?
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2017-03-22T19:18:54 < fenugrec> zapb_ offhand no, don't you have to do something with the MMFSR reg ?
2017-03-22T19:20:51 < zapb_> fenugrec: not sure, seems to be a status register only
2017-03-22T19:23:31 < fenugrec> zapb_ well that might be how you clear the condition that sets the interrupt-pending bit
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2017-03-22T19:29:53 < branjb> when a schematic has an inductor that just says "BEAD".. does that mean just toss any random inductor here, value not important?
2017-03-22T19:30:56 < scrts> yeah
2017-03-22T19:31:31 < karlp> or, in other words, "remove for great justice and glory"
2017-03-22T19:31:47 < karlp> (and put it back on, with an actual known and useful value, when you go trhough emc/emi testing)
2017-03-22T19:33:01 < branjb> makes sense
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2017-03-22T19:38:16 < englishman> funny. these humidity sensors are in a digikey dry bag
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2017-03-22T19:46:48 < englishman> allpcb looks the same as every other china pcb
2017-03-22T19:47:01 < englishman> wow there's a big red COMPLAIN button on the order page
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2017-03-22T19:50:51 < englishman> and i will have to click it, there are some nonplated slots that should be plated
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2017-03-22T20:02:28 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39351833
2017-03-22T20:02:30 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2017-03-22T20:03:15 < Laurenceb>  > someone codes -1 as a special value as NA or NaN is not possible
2017-03-22T20:03:43 < Laurenceb>  > someone 'special' creates media storm after you make data available to perman00bs
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2017-03-22T20:10:14 < mtbg> but has he made a clock?
2017-03-22T20:10:31 < englishman> http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/trudeau-cut-outs-global-affairs-canada-conservative-harper-diplomats-1.4033120
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2017-03-22T20:16:27 < Laurenceb> oh god the terror attack memes
2017-03-22T20:16:33 < Laurenceb> I'm going to hell for this
2017-03-22T20:17:34 < Laurenceb> channers are rating the victims /10  :P
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2017-03-22T20:18:48 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-22T20:29:27 < branjb> Laurenceb: just read that UK schoolboy corrects Nasa data error, wow
2017-03-22T20:29:45 < fenugrec> zapb_ let me know if you figure it out, I'm curious
2017-03-22T20:31:20 < branjb> >We were all discussing the data but he just suddenly perked up in one of the sessions and went 'why does it say there's -1 energy here?'
2017-03-22T20:31:32 < branjb> > What Miles had noticed was that when nothing hit the detector, a negative reading was being recorded.
2017-03-22T20:31:33 < branjb> > But you cannot get negative energy. So Miles and Mr O'Neill contacted Nasa.
2017-03-22T20:31:33 < branjb> wtf
2017-03-22T20:31:36 < branjb> how is this an article
2017-03-22T20:33:04 < Laurenceb> its almost certainly some sort of status thing added by the processing
2017-03-22T20:33:12 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-22T20:33:41 < Laurenceb> also pls can I have bbc news article each time I fix some minor bug
2017-03-22T20:33:44 < branjb> much easier during a calculation to do if (a == 0) return -1;  c = b / a;
2017-03-22T20:33:53 < branjb> i bet it's not even a bug
2017-03-22T20:33:56 < Laurenceb> or that, yeah
2017-03-22T20:34:04 < branjb> whoever coded that was prob like 'wtf, it's intentional'
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2017-03-22T20:34:18 < branjb> stop bug fixing my features
2017-03-22T20:34:36 < englishman> did you end up preordering the new tag-connect PRO kickstarter
2017-03-22T20:34:44 < branjb> is that a thing?
2017-03-22T20:35:12 < branjb> i just went w/ 2x5 1.27mm connector
2017-03-22T20:35:18 < branjb> seemed less complicated
2017-03-22T20:36:58 < Steffanx> ohsix, didn't you mention this pal with a new cool ip camera? Did you also tell him:  https://pierrekim.github.io/advisories/2017-goahead-camera-0x00.txt
2017-03-22T20:37:53 < Steffanx> Got one of those 1250 cameras here. No luck with telnet yet though.
2017-03-22T20:39:15 < Steffanx>  Update (Mar 16, 2017): Following the strong requests from a specific vendor, the complete list of 1250 affected camera models has been removed.
2017-03-22T20:39:16 < Steffanx> ah damn.
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2017-03-22T20:42:38 < Steffanx> Good morning crt
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2017-03-22T20:45:15 < Steffanx> Before 6.00 is damn early mr crt.
2017-03-22T20:48:47 < Steffanx> ok
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2017-03-22T20:57:10 < Steffanx> i always like how the text in the url never gets updated
2017-03-22T21:10:13 < Steffanx> what?
2017-03-22T21:20:14 < kakimir> I need electic skateboard motor hub
2017-03-22T21:20:32 < kakimir> for friend
2017-03-22T21:21:44 < kakimir> recommends?
2017-03-22T21:22:15 < kakimir> it should be integrated like have those motors under the board
2017-03-22T21:22:21 < kakimir> not sticking out
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2017-03-22T23:10:46 < jadew> wtf, I think I got some shit caps
2017-03-22T23:11:04 < jadew> they measure fine, but they're practically shorted when I apply DC to them
2017-03-22T23:11:14 < jadew> 22 uF tantalum caps
2017-03-22T23:11:58 < jadew> I thought I messed them up when I assembled the board but I did the same experiment with a new one and same result, if I apply 5 V with 100 mA current limit, it kicks the supply in CC mode
2017-03-22T23:12:00 < upgrdman> rev pol'd them?
2017-03-22T23:12:18 < upgrdman> iirc the _ is for the + side, like opposite of what you'd expect
2017-03-22T23:12:28 < jadew> really?
2017-03-22T23:12:43 < jadew> that would do it, let me check
2017-03-22T23:12:51 < upgrdman> yes   http://www.bec-capacitors.com/20121008134711_34155.jpg
2017-03-22T23:13:57 < jadew> well good to know, thanks
2017-03-22T23:14:07 < upgrdman> sur
2017-03-22T23:14:08 < upgrdman> sure
2017-03-22T23:14:12 < jadew> I had them the other way around
2017-03-22T23:14:22 < qyx> lol
2017-03-22T23:14:24 < upgrdman> i also learned the hard way
2017-03-22T23:14:25 < jadew> I now wonder where else I mounted them like that
2017-03-22T23:15:16 < jadew> I might have actually bumped into this in the past too, but I forgot
2017-03-22T23:15:17 < qyx> although
2017-03-22T23:15:27 < qyx> I wonder why would you expect the marked side to be -
2017-03-22T23:15:42 < qyx> usually the mark is on the positive
2017-03-22T23:15:46 < jadew> because of diodes and the fact that on electrolitic caps the - side is marked with the line
2017-03-22T23:16:03 < jadew> is it not?
2017-03-22T23:16:09 < qyx> apparently I have different reasoning
2017-03-22T23:16:32 < upgrdman> ya i think _ == - because of diodes
2017-03-22T23:16:41 < upgrdman> but for tants, it's not, just to fuck with you
2017-03-22T23:16:59 < qyx> diodes are easy, the _ marks the direction of the current
2017-03-22T23:17:49 < jadew> yeah, I think I learned about this when I repaired something once and I had to check, but I guess I forgot - I did have a feeling that it may be different when I assembled the board
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2017-03-22T23:20:12 < kuldeep> can anybody give me link to stm32 pin selector software - which i can use to periph pins configuration. i tried but failed (and ended up downloading useless 600MB)
2017-03-22T23:21:27 < qyx> isnt it a part of the cube thing now?
2017-03-22T23:22:02 < kuldeep> i downloaded stm32cubef7 and got nothing
2017-03-22T23:22:17 < kuldeep> it has "cube" in it qyx 
2017-03-22T23:23:29 < Steffanx> STM32CubeMX then maybe?
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2017-03-22T23:25:11 < kuldeep> yes, trying that one too. still not sure why they use same image for the two diffent pages
2017-03-22T23:31:17 < englishman> is there a quick C call to switch endianness of a uint16/uint32
2017-03-22T23:31:20 < englishman> in m0
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2017-03-22T23:31:56 < zapb_> fenugrec: sure :)
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2017-03-22T23:32:59 < karlp> englishman: rethink to yourself what you are reeally trying to do and if it's really right :)
2017-03-22T23:33:06 < englishman> :(
2017-03-22T23:33:21 < englishman> IC sends values big endian, arm is little endian
2017-03-22T23:33:33 < englishman> so i cant just use i2c hal to read into uint32 etc
2017-03-22T23:34:21 < karlp> actual bits are reversed? or just bytes are not the order you wanted?
2017-03-22T23:34:26 < englishman> just bytes
2017-03-22T23:34:40 < karlp> theen just suck it up and assemble your uint32s with shifts like a real man
2017-03-22T23:34:49 < karlp> you don't want __REV() anyway then.
2017-03-22T23:34:54 < englishman> right
2017-03-22T23:35:16 < englishman> maybe there was a better way :(
2017-03-22T23:39:11 < Lux> or you can do it with unions
2017-03-22T23:39:23 < englishman> hm yes
2017-03-22T23:39:39 < Lux> imo that's a bit cleaner than shifts
2017-03-22T23:41:24 < zyp> karlp, wat?
2017-03-22T23:41:30 < zyp> why not __REV?
2017-03-22T23:42:33 < zyp> ah, REV instruction is M3 and up
2017-03-22T23:42:48 < englishman> no it's in m0
2017-03-22T23:42:59 < englishman> and m0+
2017-03-22T23:43:14 < zyp> https://community.arm.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-00-21-42/4087.m4F_2B00_instruction.jpg <- not according to this
2017-03-22T23:43:19 < zyp> oh, wait
2017-03-22T23:43:23 < englishman> hm i just checked here http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0432c/CHDCICDF.html
2017-03-22T23:43:26 < zyp> wtf, it's listed twice
2017-03-22T23:43:36 < englishman> one to reverse and one to reverse back?
2017-03-22T23:43:50 < zyp> haha
2017-03-22T23:44:23 < englishman> and yeah __REV16 looks like what i want
2017-03-22T23:45:39 < zyp> rev16 for uint16, rev for uint32
2017-03-22T23:46:14 < zyp> or possibly revsh depending on what you're doing
2017-03-22T23:46:18 < englishman> sure enough
2017-03-22T23:46:24 < englishman> b = ((a & 0x00ff) << 8) | ((a & 0xff00) >> 8)
2017-03-22T23:46:27 < englishman> compiles to single REV16
2017-03-22T23:46:37 < englishman> in keil
2017-03-22T23:46:47 < zyp> although, writing it out with shifts might still be the best option, the compiler is supposed to be able to recognize and issue a REV instruction
2017-03-22T23:47:11 < zyp> I think I tested that with gcc once, don't remember the verdict though
2017-03-22T23:47:22 < karlp> Lux: unions mean type punning which means warnings and shit.  just do it with shifts. be explict, be cleear, be self documenting, let the compiler sort it out.
2017-03-22T23:47:53 < karlp> englishman: how did you get a as a uint16 anyway?
2017-03-22T23:48:00 < karlp> weren't you getting it off the wire byte by byte anyway?
2017-03-22T23:48:00 < englishman> hm?
2017-03-22T23:48:04 < englishman> yes
2017-03-22T23:48:07 < zyp> I've considered writing a C++ wrapper class that does endianness translation
2017-03-22T23:48:07 < karlp> just assemble it properly in the first place?
2017-03-22T23:48:22 < englishman> well im using hal
2017-03-22T23:48:27 < englishman> which increments reads into an array
2017-03-22T23:48:36 < zyp> storing BE, but translating to/from LE when casting to/from a plain integer type
2017-03-22T23:49:04 < karlp> oh, hal has gotten in the way.
2017-03-22T23:49:13 < englishman> haha
2017-03-22T23:49:24 < englishman> generated keilproj about 30min ago
2017-03-22T23:49:26 < englishman> i think im doing ok
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2017-03-22T23:52:20 < Laurenceb_>  > when you die horribly in a snackbar attack, but your death provides internet weirdos with a posthumous creep shot to fap over
2017-03-22T23:52:33 < englishman> if my problems can be solved with a single cortex-m0 instruction, then my problems arent so bad
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2017-03-23T00:00:20 < jadew> what are those tiny magical beings called, that live in the house and steal shit?
2017-03-23T00:00:28 < jadew> cuz I think I'm infested with them
2017-03-23T00:00:40 < jadew> I moved two screws 10 cm on the bench and I lost one
2017-03-23T00:01:33 < englishman> children?
2017-03-23T00:01:39 < jadew> haha
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2017-03-23T00:25:17 < Steffanx> Lol
2017-03-23T00:28:07 < mtbg> Laurenceb_: these are not weirdos
2017-03-23T00:28:19 < mtbg> just plain old psychopaths
2017-03-23T01:16:29 < Steffanx> Welkom Brother.
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2017-03-23T02:08:30 < stm32> BIPOLAR CAPACITORS
2017-03-23T02:08:33 < stm32> how2doit
2017-03-23T02:09:40 < Steffanx> Type 1 or 2?
2017-03-23T02:09:41 < Laurenceb_> electrochemistry dude
2017-03-23T02:11:36 < stm32> idk
2017-03-23T02:11:46 < stm32> at least they're easy to find on mouser
2017-03-23T02:12:16 < Steffanx> Are you bipolar stm32?
2017-03-23T02:12:33 < stm32> idk
2017-03-23T02:12:53 < Steffanx> Better visit doctor Laurenceb_
2017-03-23T02:12:58 < stm32> one day you'll read a book about me
2017-03-23T02:13:56 < Steffanx> Pumping for dummies?
2017-03-23T02:15:06 < stm32> yea mate
2017-03-23T02:15:20 < Steffanx> ok sleep tight brother.
2017-03-23T02:15:25 < stm32> later mate
2017-03-23T02:18:54 < ohsix> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/22/nyregion/manhattan-nyc-james-harris-jackson-hate-crime.html Mr. Jackson told the police that he had chosen New York City to make a statement by attacking black men. He told investigators where he discarded the murder weapon, a 26-inch sword with an 18-inch blade
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2017-03-23T02:25:12 < jadew> I think I forgot to post the result: http://82.76.177.134/stuff/20170322_190526.jpg
2017-03-23T02:25:20 < jadew> sounds great!
2017-03-23T02:25:27 < jadew> much better than I expected
2017-03-23T02:25:59 < ohsix> Steffanx: it is similar, replies have the same format 'var .. whatever', but the stuff in the advisory doesn't work
2017-03-23T02:26:33 < ohsix> probably just one of the variants that is slightly different
2017-03-23T02:26:51 < ohsix> was going to try and find the oem tho
2017-03-23T02:28:12 < jadew> and this is what it's for: http://82.76.177.134/stuff/20170322_210734.jpg
2017-03-23T02:28:32 < jadew> just a little amplifier with a power port
2017-03-23T02:30:31 < ColdKeyboard> I'm thinking about ordering Nucleo-F207ZG and Nucleo-F767ZI for trying to develop USB mass storage to Ethernet device. Mainly because I want to learn more about both of those. Would you say those are good dev boards for something like that or would you recommend something else?
2017-03-23T02:31:57 < englishman> hmm, what am i doing wrong, want to print "0xFF" blah blah in sprintf but it just gives me decimal with %X
2017-03-23T02:35:26 < fenugrec> are you sure it's decimal
2017-03-23T02:36:01 < fenugrec> the "0x" prefix will not be printed unless you use (IIRC) %#X  or %#x
2017-03-23T02:36:01 < englishman> actually i'm retarded and there are simply no letter values in this variable
2017-03-23T02:36:02 < englishman> lol
2017-03-23T02:36:37 < englishman> yeah i did 0x%08X
2017-03-23T02:37:09 < fenugrec> right, I prefer that too. %#X outputs as "0X____" but I don't like the capital X
2017-03-23T02:37:19 < fenugrec> and I don't like lowercase hex digits
2017-03-23T02:37:26  * Laurenceb_ just uses custom printf
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2017-03-23T02:41:51 < ColdKeyboard> Any suggestions for my question? Experiences with those dev boards or similair ones?
2017-03-23T02:42:03 < ohsix> AKA botnet
2017-03-23T02:42:12 < ohsix> what a load of shit
2017-03-23T02:51:54 < ohsix> Steffanx: it would be cook if the encoder could use public key stuff so it was plausible that nobody could intercept or control it usefully
2017-03-23T02:52:06 < ohsix> but you kind of lay your expectations at the foot of what the device is going to do
2017-03-23T02:52:21 < ohsix> it exists, it is a shitty implementation, but being shit doesn't stop it from being useful, which is the real problem
2017-03-23T02:53:04 < dongs> any ethernet board will work, F2 is dead, so either F7-disco or f7zi nucleo
2017-03-23T02:53:38 < ohsix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24231980/ lul
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2017-03-23T02:55:50 < dongs> RIP Laurenceb 
2017-03-23T02:55:54 < dongs> i heard isis bombed UK today
2017-03-23T02:56:37 < ohsix> jadew: nice
2017-03-23T02:56:52 < ohsix> i did hackbodge of shit router the other day with an old intel cpu fan
2017-03-23T02:57:12 < ohsix> i think i found out later that the reason it was actually going down was having spanning tree enabled on the wifi
2017-03-23T02:57:29 < ohsix> but it was running at 77c before i reflowed it or did anything else
2017-03-23T02:57:57 < jadew> you don't know what the fault was? :)
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2017-03-23T02:58:41 < jadew> that's always a stressful situation
2017-03-23T03:00:18 < ohsix> loool
2017-03-23T03:00:22 < ohsix> eh not exactly
2017-03-23T03:00:34 < ohsix> dude that works in this building was just talking to me over the webcam
2017-03-23T03:00:37 < ohsix> it works pretty good haha
2017-03-23T03:00:44 < ohsix> he told me he's at home
2017-03-23T03:01:06 < ohsix> jadew: i hadn't suspected STP before last night, i'm gonna have to try with it off for a long while, then on and see if it bites it
2017-03-23T03:01:16 < ohsix> bbiab gotta pack up
2017-03-23T03:01:45 < dongs> wat
2017-03-23T03:02:01 < dongs> oh autism6
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2017-03-23T03:12:00 < jadew> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/how-often-do-you-fight-dust/msg108833/#msg108833
2017-03-23T03:12:23 < jadew> what does he mean by how much dust leaves the room? does that have anything to do with the compressor in the basement?
2017-03-23T03:12:28 < jadew> also, what's an air line?
2017-03-23T03:13:06 < jadew> (I have a bit of a dust problem and I'm looking for solutions)
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2017-03-23T03:13:30 < englishman> air line is the hose carrying compressed air
2017-03-23T03:13:31 < dongs> air line is i guess a socket in wall/wahtever where you can plug in air hose
2017-03-23T03:13:37 < dongs> or that
2017-03-23T03:13:42 < dongs> i got those in my place
2017-03-23T03:13:51 < dongs> compressor in garage, using air for dicknplace
2017-03-23T03:14:04 < englishman> i have a gigantic compressor right here in the office i just built an enclosure with a couple layers of soundproofing board and you can barely hear it
2017-03-23T03:14:10 < jadew> got it and they're implying that they use compressed air to blow off the dust?
2017-03-23T03:14:52 < jadew> wouldn't that just lift the dust up in the room? that makes no sense...
2017-03-23T03:15:02 < englishman> yeah then it just settles back down again
2017-03-23T03:15:19 < englishman> unless you have like commercial office space airflow and filters n shit
2017-03-23T03:15:35 < englishman> vacuum every once in a while unlike those eevblag slobs
2017-03-23T03:15:41 < englishman> and your workshopw ill be clean
2017-03-23T03:15:58 < jadew> I think I have to vacuum at least once per week
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2017-03-23T03:17:27 < jadew> how often do you do it?
2017-03-23T03:17:40 < dongs> amp6 doesnt own a vacuum cleaner
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2017-03-23T03:40:48 < kakimir> there is a point in back that you can barelly scrach
2017-03-23T03:40:52 < kakimir> if at all
2017-03-23T03:41:09 < kakimir> I know because itch
2017-03-23T03:41:38 < stm32> lol
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2017-03-23T03:41:47 < stm32> are you on meth kakimir 
2017-03-23T03:47:10 < kakimir> im on sleep>
2017-03-23T03:48:07 < emeb_mac> gah!
2017-03-23T03:48:53 < emeb_mac> Just found out that the STM32F722RxTx (low-cost LQFP64 F7 part) doesn't have any full-duplex I2S ports.
2017-03-23T03:49:09 < emeb_mac> *after* I bought a bunch of them. :P
2017-03-23T03:49:43 < emeb_mac> they've got 3 SPI/I2S ports that only do simplex
2017-03-23T03:50:29 < emeb_mac> and two SAI ports - one one is only able to do SPDIF, the other is simplex
2017-03-23T03:50:53 < stm32> the shattered triac
2017-03-23T03:52:26 < emeb_mac> weird because other parts in the 64-pin pkg do support full-duplex SAI. Just not this one.
2017-03-23T03:53:34 < dongs> emeb_mac: where the fuck did you even find them, it took arrow like a month to send me 10 samples lol
2017-03-23T03:53:49 < dongs> then again, i wasn't in a hurry and already forgot waht i needed them for
2017-03-23T03:53:50 < emeb_mac> dongs: future has them
2017-03-23T03:54:06 < emeb_mac> $6/ea min qty 2
2017-03-23T03:54:42 < dongs> future electronics in canada?
2017-03-23T03:54:46 < dongs> or futurlec
2017-03-23T03:54:48 < dongs> or whatever
2017-03-23T03:55:19 < dongs> i see them
2017-03-23T03:55:22 < dongs> lol thats cheap
2017-03-23T03:55:24 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-03-23T03:55:41 < dongs> o well my arrow shit was free :p
2017-03-23T03:55:53 < emeb_mac> cheaper still
2017-03-23T03:56:11 < dongs> so, no fulldupelx i2s eh
2017-03-23T03:56:24 < emeb_mac> yep. Fuckin' useless
2017-03-23T03:56:27 < dongs> what does that mean? is this a hardwaer or pinout limitation?
2017-03-23T03:56:46 < emeb_mac> hardware is there, but the pinmuxes don't bring out the other chl
2017-03-23T03:56:59 < emeb_mac> on this pkg
2017-03-23T03:57:30  * emeb_mac thinks nasty thoughts about the engineers who designed this part
2017-03-23T03:57:52 < dongs> interesting. but whats the other channel? I2S is like MCLK, SCLK, WS, DAT0 ? right?
2017-03-23T03:57:52 < stm32> stick a shotgun in my pussy
2017-03-23T03:57:56 < dongs> what does the 'other' channel mean?
2017-03-23T03:58:15 < emeb_mac> dongs: for full duplex you need 2 DAT lines
2017-03-23T03:58:21 < emeb_mac> one input, one output
2017-03-23T03:58:26 < emeb_mac> to drive a codec
2017-03-23T03:58:44 < dongs> o i see in cube, lol
2017-03-23T03:58:45 < dongs> 3 I2S
2017-03-23T03:58:51 < dongs> all 3 are half-duplex slave/master
2017-03-23T03:58:54 < emeb_mac> ya
2017-03-23T03:59:07 < emeb_mac> and the SAI ports also do I2S
2017-03-23T03:59:22 < emeb_mac> but most of their features are grayed out
2017-03-23T03:59:30 < dongs> SAI2 says can do master
2017-03-23T03:59:33 < emeb_mac> yes
2017-03-23T03:59:48 < emeb_mac> but only SDB is accessible
2017-03-23T03:59:52 < emeb_mac> not SDA
2017-03-23T04:00:44 < dongs> so thats also "half" yeah/
2017-03-23T04:00:49 < dongs> trolled.
2017-03-23T04:01:33 < emeb_mac> srsly
2017-03-23T04:01:55 < emeb_mac> and the feature matrix doesn't seem to flag that little easter-egg
2017-03-23T04:14:52 < stm32> st - a bunch of cunts
2017-03-23T04:16:40 < stm32> a true broken mule
2017-03-23T04:17:31 < stm32> 60 0 60
2017-03-23T04:17:33 < stm32> hmmmm'
2017-03-23T04:21:01 < englishman> got some parts on 56mm tape today, feeders are like $1k, i think i'll handplace these 10 parts lol
2017-03-23T04:21:14 < stm32> yah
2017-03-23T04:21:29 < stm32> we can't all be internet millionaires
2017-03-23T04:22:18 < stm32> im building the autistic contraption!
2017-03-23T04:23:06 < stm32> basically a box with a variac and some 800VA transformers so I can dial in any voltage I want to test amplifier modules
2017-03-23T04:23:38 < stm32> current supervisory circuit ideas are in the works but meh
2017-03-23T04:24:39 < stm32> gotta pump it
2017-03-23T04:25:23 < emeb_mac> 56mm - that's a wide tape
2017-03-23T04:25:36 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-23T04:25:48 < ohsix> emeb_mac: i got too many stroopwafel
2017-03-23T04:25:50 < emeb_mac> don't think I've seen stuff like that. I got some RF shields a while back that were in pretty wide tape
2017-03-23T04:25:55 < ohsix> p good tho
2017-03-23T04:26:06 < emeb_mac> ohsix: no such thing as too many stroopwafel
2017-03-23T04:26:09 < stm32> yah my RJ45 magjack roll is like 44mm
2017-03-23T04:26:09 < ohsix> the tiny ones in a bag are nice cuz i don't drink much coffee/tea
2017-03-23T04:27:25 < ohsix> i got one of every package they had on the shelf at the place i found them at
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2017-03-23T04:30:20 < emeb_mac> wow
2017-03-23T04:30:30 < emeb_mac> time for the mega sugar buzz
2017-03-23T04:30:31 < ohsix> er haha
2017-03-23T04:30:38 < ohsix> not every package, every kind
2017-03-23T04:30:43 < ohsix> distinct package is what i meant
2017-03-23T04:30:45 < stm32> tried that
2017-03-23T04:30:51 < emeb_mac> ohsix: got that
2017-03-23T04:30:56 < emeb_mac> still a lot, no?
2017-03-23T04:31:44 < ohsix> yea
2017-03-23T04:32:06 < ohsix> one normal and one chocolate of the full size things, and a bag of the tiny ones
2017-03-23T04:34:03 < emeb_mac> don't think I've ever had the chocolate ones. but we can get the plain in several sizes
2017-03-23T04:41:19 < englishman> steffan claims 15g sugar each waffel
2017-03-23T04:43:11 < stm32> http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/117737973
2017-03-23T04:43:15 < stm32> that says 18g
2017-03-23T04:44:10 < stm32> i'd be more concerned about punching down cones than stroopwafel sugar
2017-03-23T04:53:40 < ReadError>  yall seen this
2017-03-23T04:53:49 < ReadError> http://codenvy.io thing
2017-03-23T04:55:45 < stm32> idk
2017-03-23T04:55:48 < stm32> should have I?
2017-03-23T04:58:14 < upgrdman> typical chinaman   https://i.imgur.com/P6vClEz.jpg
2017-03-23T05:01:17 < ReadError> idk, should u?
2017-03-23T05:01:33 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/wafflesdotch/status/844720813139996673
2017-03-23T05:01:40 < dongs> just shows a useless login page
2017-03-23T05:01:46 < dongs> probably wants to steal my shithub credentials
2017-03-23T05:01:50 < dongs> fail url is fail
2017-03-23T05:02:06 < ohsix> emeb_mac: i was hoping they were chocolate dipped ones, that i've seen on the google when looking for them. but they are just chocolate waffles
2017-03-23T05:02:13 < ohsix> still good tho
2017-03-23T05:02:30 < emeb_mac> chocolate is chocolate.
2017-03-23T05:02:37 < ohsix> well
2017-03-23T05:02:42 < ohsix> maybe
2017-03-23T05:02:42 < ReadError> https://codenvy.com/
2017-03-23T05:02:46 < ReadError> ah sorry that
2017-03-23T05:03:03 < ohsix> the milk chocolate stuff they tend to have in candies and junk like that, has a decent amount of dairy in it
2017-03-23T05:03:13 < ohsix> the waffle or cookie type stuff ends up tasting like oreos
2017-03-23T05:03:17 < dongs> stopped reading at 'cocker'
2017-03-23T05:03:19 < dongs> er, docker, too
2017-03-23T05:05:48 < ohsix> i've seen it now ReadError 
2017-03-23T05:06:15 < ReadError> neone have waffles invite?
2017-03-23T05:08:21 < stm32> good thing i didn't crick it
2017-03-23T05:09:37 < ReadError> it supports PLATFORMIO mbed
2017-03-23T05:10:34 < dongs> maybe you can co-develop clean code with clifton
2017-03-23T05:10:38 < dongs> touchin dix inside a docker container
2017-03-23T05:10:43 < dongs> good plan y/y/y
2017-03-23T05:10:48 < ReadError> dockin 
2017-03-23T05:10:49 < ReadError> wow 
2017-03-23T05:10:54 < ReadError> never thought about that
2017-03-23T05:13:32 < dongs> woops. vmtoolsd.exe inside jappu winxp vm was taking up 100% cpu
2017-03-23T05:14:02 < ReadError> unsupported in japvm ?
2017-03-23T05:14:09 < dongs> nope, it worked fine before
2017-03-23T05:14:13 < dongs> must have got triggered by something
2017-03-23T05:14:16 < dongs> just killed it and it works fine
2017-03-23T05:16:02 < stm32> triggered
2017-03-23T05:17:41 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sparkbottle/the-tocktm #stonertronics proj
2017-03-23T05:18:11 < ReadError> oh noes
2017-03-23T05:18:13 < ReadError> 4 days left
2017-03-23T05:18:14 < stm32> does more than zano(tm)
2017-03-23T05:18:18 < ReadError> WILL IT MAKE IT??
2017-03-23T05:18:26 < dongs> ReadError: retard posted it for only a week
2017-03-23T05:18:28 < aandrew> literally stonertronics
2017-03-23T05:19:04 < ohsix> It's like a diamond under bright light, but highly amplified.
2017-03-23T05:19:27 < ohsix> you don't need 7400 for that
2017-03-23T05:19:32 < ohsix> i can make them for 6
2017-03-23T05:19:45 < ohsix> and they suck
2017-03-23T05:19:52 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/l3RHUxW.jpg
2017-03-23T05:20:02 < ohsix> they kind of look interesting for a split second but the light coming out the front and along the details suck shit
2017-03-23T05:20:44 < ReadError> lol a week
2017-03-23T05:22:46 < ohsix> http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2017/03/22/know-caulk-injection-kill-repeat-butt-lift-client-defense-attorney-asks
2017-03-23T05:27:43 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6fjZJ7WgAEiRDw.jpg
2017-03-23T05:28:43 < jadew> that's a good sign
2017-03-23T05:28:59 < aandrew> yep
2017-03-23T05:29:12 < aandrew> I've seen "STUPID KILLS" in a similar sticker
2017-03-23T05:35:29 < emeb_mac> heh - vented my frustration over the F722R debacle over on the st forum
2017-03-23T05:35:41 < emeb_mac> let the stupid replies commence.
2017-03-23T05:36:19 < PeterM> link
2017-03-23T05:36:39 < PeterM> ac tually, no need, it s probably the only post this week
2017-03-23T05:37:03 < jadew> clive will answer
2017-03-23T05:37:34 < jadew> he's not here, is he?
2017-03-23T05:41:14 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-03-23T05:41:34 < emeb_mac> clive will tell me why I'm doing it rong
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2017-03-23T05:46:06 < englishman> wow the new forum is shitty
2017-03-23T05:46:27 < englishman> why does web69.0 trash have to be 99.999% whitespace
2017-03-23T05:46:51 < emeb_mac> because clean look
2017-03-23T05:47:29 < englishman> clean is for vaginas
2017-03-23T05:47:50 < emeb_mac> ooookaaaaayyy
2017-03-23T05:48:26 < englishman> nice rant tho
2017-03-23T05:51:42 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-03-23T05:52:31 < emeb_mac> not that it does *any* good at all but ranting is good for the soul
2017-03-23T05:55:44 < PeterM> emeb_mac tag it *waiting for cli\ve1*
2017-03-23T05:55:56 < emeb_mac> PeterM: haha
2017-03-23T05:57:03 < emeb_mac> Was also interesting to see that the new STM32F723 isn't available in any LQFP packages smaller than 144pin
2017-03-23T05:57:22 < emeb_mac> looks like it's in a 100-pin BGA, but not LQFP
2017-03-23T05:57:38 < emeb_mac> so if you want USB HS PHY you gotta go big.
2017-03-23T06:00:00 < ohsix> heh
2017-03-23T06:00:04 < ohsix> out of time fo ric
2017-03-23T06:00:14 < ohsix> englishman: 'responsive design'
2017-03-23T06:00:44 < ohsix> you need a lot of whitespace to resize them all when the layout or dpi/physical size changes
2017-03-23T06:00:53 < ohsix> it sucks, but it's kind of ok on high dpi devices
2017-03-23T06:05:39 < englishman> all my shit is higher dpi than whatever you have and it looks liek shit
2017-03-23T06:07:46 < jadew> ohsix, that's not it
2017-03-23T06:07:59 < jadew> responsive designs can be made as compact as you need
2017-03-23T06:08:08 < PeterM> so leik why are there only maybe 30 stm32s in bga wiht 0.mm pitch or greater
2017-03-23T06:08:18 < jadew> what's going on now with web design is stupidity
2017-03-23T06:10:28 < stm32> WHACKS
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2017-03-23T06:19:14 < englishman> PeterM: did you also notice the new BGA0 design, sounds innovative
2017-03-23T06:20:36 < stroopwafel> the bias
2017-03-23T06:21:31 < kuldeep> anyone have STM32f469VxTx / F479VxTx ? we need it for our project. current the uC is kind-of rare atm and we need them urgently
2017-03-23T06:21:41 < stroopwafel> i lost the alligators for my fucken multimeter probes
2017-03-23T06:22:23 < dongs> kuldeep: i can sk
2017-03-23T06:22:24 < dongs> ask
2017-03-23T06:22:50 < kuldeep> dongs, whom?
2017-03-23T06:27:38 < dongs> chiangirl. and no stock.
2017-03-23T06:27:46 < dongs> why did you choose such shit part# withotu checking if its available first
2017-03-23T06:30:26 < dongs> is it becausd of flash size?
2017-03-23T06:30:31 < dongs> which feature from 6/7 are you using
2017-03-23T06:30:35 < dongs> that you cant replace it wiht 429 or 439
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2017-03-23T06:44:36 < dongs> these chink relays i got
2017-03-23T06:44:40 < dongs> brand name is 'SONGLE'
2017-03-23T06:44:45 < dongs> sounds more like misspelled DONGLE
2017-03-23T06:52:07 < stroopwafel> https://ac-dc.power.com/node/3756/
2017-03-23T06:55:47 < stroopwafel> what a prick
2017-03-23T06:56:03 < emeb_mac> lol @ stroopwafel nick
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2017-03-23T07:00:43 < stroopwafel> the magnetics
2017-03-23T07:09:51 < ReadError> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/chrome/camZVtTiGyo/FBNDTULVDQAJ
2017-03-23T07:09:55 < ReadError> gdamn annoying
2017-03-23T07:10:02 < dongs> more AMP news?
2017-03-23T07:10:18 < ReadError> scroll wheel stops working in some chrome tabs
2017-03-23T07:10:22 < dongs> wut
2017-03-23T07:10:25 < dongs> NEVER had that happen
2017-03-23T07:10:26 < ReadError> yea, odd shit
2017-03-23T07:10:35 < ReadError> it just started w/ this last update
2017-03-23T07:10:42 < ReadError> can change tabs and its fine
2017-03-23T07:10:51 < dongs> im on 56
2017-03-23T07:10:57 < dongs> does it mean
2017-03-23T07:10:59 < dongs> if i upgrade now
2017-03-23T07:11:01 < dongs> ill be fukd
2017-03-23T07:11:04 < ReadError> maybe not
2017-03-23T07:11:07 < ReadError> im on 57
2017-03-23T07:13:53 < dongs> thats funny gmail does dxf preview
2017-03-23T07:13:57 < dongs> in attachments
2017-03-23T07:14:08 < dongs> i wonder why they even bother, its not like a format that anyone actuallyt uses
2017-03-23T07:14:24 < ReadError> theres another odd one they do
2017-03-23T07:14:28 < ReadError> cant remember atm 
2017-03-23T07:14:48 < dongs> .pptx?
2017-03-23T07:15:01 < ReadError> nah not a office type extension 
2017-03-23T07:16:57 < ReadError> wonder if google will buy github
2017-03-23T07:17:09 < dongs> to later kill it off as google choad?
2017-03-23T07:17:11 < ReadError> since they dont have google code anymore and github is gonna run out of money soon
2017-03-23T07:17:14 < ReadError> ya
2017-03-23T07:17:30 < dongs> is shithub not mkaing profit? lol
2017-03-23T07:17:38 < dongs> who woulda thought all those opensores can't be hosted for free
2017-03-23T07:18:07 < ReadError> https://developers.slashdot.org/story/16/12/16/1639222/building-a-coders-paradise-is-not-profitable-github-lost-66m-in-nine-months-of-2016
2017-03-23T07:18:29 < ReadError> 66mil in 9months lol, lost
2017-03-23T07:18:37 < dongs> l;ol
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2017-03-23T07:23:39 < stroopwafel> shithub
2017-03-23T07:27:55 < Fleck> sh***wafel
2017-03-23T07:30:48 < dongs> fleck is the true shitwafel
2017-03-23T07:31:46 < englishman> still less money lost than instaglam
2017-03-23T07:32:01 < englishman> ive noticed some blogs disable ctrl+mousewheel zoom
2017-03-23T07:32:09 < englishman> but those blogs are typically shit
2017-03-23T07:33:16 < englishman> 600 SJWs working for github doing absolutely fuckall, fucking california man
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2017-03-23T07:33:47 < englishman> introducing emojis to comment threads then banning the phallic ones
2017-03-23T07:34:29 < dongs> seriosuly weaht thefuck do they do wiht 600 people
2017-03-23T07:34:31 < dongs> to run a website
2017-03-23T07:34:40 < dongs> they must be all sitting on their asses warming up their aeron chairs
2017-03-23T07:35:29 < englishman> well in comparison dickedin has 10k employees
2017-03-23T07:35:32 < englishman> who knows wtf they do
2017-03-23T07:35:49 < dongs> anti-troll department
2017-03-23T07:36:57 < upgrdman> 600 people, wtf. but even if theyre all making $150k per years, then <$1m of the $66m
2017-03-23T07:37:02 < upgrdman> wtf are they spending on
2017-03-23T07:37:05 < englishman> btw hal i2c on f0 is simple and robust as fuck
2017-03-23T07:37:16 < englishman> ive never used i2c before and i was up and running in ~25min
2017-03-23T07:37:40 < dongs> new i2c peripheral is sweet
2017-03-23T07:37:44 < dongs> simple as shit to setup in polling mode
2017-03-23T07:37:46 < englishman> well its california upgrdman so entry level wages are 500k
2017-03-23T07:37:55 < englishman> yeah
2017-03-23T07:37:56 < upgrdman> englishman, i wish that'd be true
2017-03-23T07:38:10 < englishman> well we all know *you* are making less than min wage
2017-03-23T07:38:12 < englishman> but i mean irl
2017-03-23T07:38:20 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-23T07:38:23 < dongs> upgrdman: oyu need to fly more 1st class tix to shanghai
2017-03-23T07:38:38 < upgrdman> dongs, ya 1st class would be nice
2017-03-23T07:38:50 < upgrdman> but im stuck in peasant class
2017-03-23T07:38:53 < upgrdman> when flying
2017-03-23T07:39:07 < dongs> tell your boss, if they dont pay you enough tehy can at least get you nice tix
2017-03-23T07:39:12 < englishman> 500k in cali is like 50k in ohio
2017-03-23T07:39:41 < dongs> < upgrdman> 600 people, wtf. but even if theyre all making $150k per years, then <$1m of the $66m
2017-03-23T07:39:48 < dongs> 600 * 150000 = 90mil, no?
2017-03-23T07:39:53 < dongs> or am i stoned
2017-03-23T07:40:01 < englishman> thats why hes making less than min wage dongs
2017-03-23T07:40:10 < dongs> cuz he cant even count?
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2017-03-23T07:40:26 < englishman> not even qualified to be a drug dealer
2017-03-23T07:40:28 < upgrdman> HEH i was pretty close on github pay!   https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/GitHub-Salaries-E671945.htm
2017-03-23T07:40:57 < upgrdman> dongs, oh shit. i skipped a zero. lol
2017-03-23T07:41:00 < englishman> you know glassdoor is like yelp right
2017-03-23T07:41:07 < upgrdman> ya
2017-03-23T07:41:11 < englishman> companies pay them to delete high salaries
2017-03-23T07:41:22 < englishman> so they can pay guys like you less and make you think youre getting a good deal
2017-03-23T07:43:05 < dongs> glassdong
2017-03-23T07:47:07 < emeb_mac> I'm given to understand that is a thing
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2017-03-23T07:53:38 < upgrdman> lol SJW fuckery:  https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
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2017-03-23T08:24:53 < kuldeep> dongs, we had talked to one of the distributor for samples. after getting the PCB done, distributor told us that it would take 1+ Month to get the part (earlier it was just a week or so).
2017-03-23T08:27:23 < kuldeep> "that you cant replace it wiht 429 or 439" pin incompatible.
2017-03-23T08:28:13 < dongs> ya but what are you using in 6/7 series taht isnt in 429/39?
2017-03-23T08:28:18 < dongs> anything special?
2017-03-23T08:28:27 < dongs> ST leadtime is generally 6+ weeks so 1month+ sounds about right
2017-03-23T08:28:31 < kuldeep> we chose the part because of heigher RAM. (we are driving a RGB 24pin lcd)
2017-03-23T08:28:51 < dongs> oh 384k ram?
2017-03-23T08:28:59 < kuldeep> yes
2017-03-23T08:29:01 < dongs> shoulda just used sdram :\
2017-03-23T08:29:36 < kuldeep> then get a package with more pins, more routing, and price will not be any better end of day. (only more components)
2017-03-23T08:29:56 < dongs> 100pin 429 can drive sdram + lcd just fine
2017-03-23T08:30:09 < dongs> 429 = $5 + <$1 for sdram
2017-03-23T08:30:16 < dongs> how much is 469?
2017-03-23T08:30:20 < kuldeep> but we needed pins for other part of the project too
2017-03-23T08:30:21 < dongs> + not obtainable
2017-03-23T08:30:34 < kuldeep> $8 to $10
2017-03-23T08:31:08 < dongs> so 256k ram on 429, not enough yea?
2017-03-23T08:32:19 < kuldeep> 192K is what linearly memory mapped for fram buffer
2017-03-23T08:33:03 < kuldeep> *for frame buffer
2017-03-23T08:34:39 < kuldeep> it was just able to fullfil the bare minimum requirement.
2017-03-23T08:35:16 < kuldeep> we talked to distributor and he said we can get it in week so we though lets go with it. also we had designed the pcb.
2017-03-23T08:35:33 < kuldeep> sorry but F429 is not $5    https://octopart.com/search?q=STM32F429V&sort=median_price_1000&sort-dir=asc
2017-03-23T08:36:05 < kuldeep> in 1000 pcs, it cost avg $8.4
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2017-03-23T08:37:50 < kuldeep> dongs, f469 was a good tradeoff for price and functionality.
2017-03-23T08:38:07 < dongs> ya i see.
2017-03-23T08:38:59 < dongs> shoulda ordered it earlier to deal with leadtime i guess
2017-03-23T08:39:21 < upgrdman> does does digikeys -ND suffix mean
2017-03-23T08:39:28 < upgrdman> they put it on ~everything
2017-03-23T08:39:39 < upgrdman> niggerdicks maybe?
2017-03-23T08:39:41 < kuldeep> yea, we contacted the distributor before getting the pcb for fab
2017-03-23T08:41:09 < kuldeep> after they said we will get the part in 1 week or so, we sent the pcb for fab (1 week fab time). but at end of pcb fab distributor told it has some problem with procuring it
2017-03-23T08:41:38 < kuldeep> *but at end of pcb fab, 
2017-03-23T08:41:50 < kuldeep> so, we have the pcb but not the uC :/
2017-03-23T08:42:36 < kuldeep> they have the BGA version but not the 100pin lqft one :(
2017-03-23T08:42:43 < dongs> upgrdman: long time ago it meant 'no discount'
2017-03-23T08:43:04 < upgrdman> dongs, as in same price for qty1 and qty1000 ?
2017-03-23T08:43:28 < dongs> or smth, i donno, i actually heard it in hre first
2017-03-23T08:43:50 < dongs> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/52545/what-does-nd-mean-on-part-numbers
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2017-03-23T08:44:02 < dongs> In those days, the “-ND” suffix meant No Discount. Prominently displayed on the catalog front cover was a schedule of discount percentages, with better discounts for larger orders. Full reels of parts and certain expensive items had an “-ND” on their part number to mark them as exempt from the discount, but anything without the “-ND” was fair game. Later, Digi-Key started listing price breaks for intermediate quantities (10, 25, 100, etc
2017-03-23T08:45:12 < upgrdman> heh   http://i.imgur.com/LbQsdrU.jpg
2017-03-23T08:47:09 < kuldeep> i need the f469 for my project diy-VT100 https://hackaday.io/project/13273-diy-vt100 :)
2017-03-23T08:47:47 < dongs> incredible autism
2017-03-23T08:47:57 < dongs> kuldeep: i started working on 429+sdram+hdmi out
2017-03-23T08:47:59 < kuldeep> if anyone can help me get a STM32F469VxTx / F479VxTx please help!
2017-03-23T08:48:07 < dongs> infinitely more useful than drawing to a shitty lcd
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2017-03-23T08:48:22 < dongs> beacuse you can use any display surface 
2017-03-23T08:48:39 < kuldeep> dongs, it has to be portable. fit on hand. i dont see a HDMI TV fitting on palm :p
2017-03-23T08:48:53 < dongs> 800x480 chink hdmi monitors do
2017-03-23T08:49:09 < upgrdman> dongs, using f429 to drive hdmi??
2017-03-23T08:49:38 < dongs> yea
2017-03-23T08:50:10 < dongs> its lLCD controlelr
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2017-03-23T08:50:26 < kuldeep> dongs, HDMI lcd driving capability in STM32?
2017-03-23T08:50:34 < dongs> no, parallel lcd -> hdmi
2017-03-23T08:51:18 < kuldeep> dongs, you mean a glue IC?
2017-03-23T08:51:29 < kuldeep> *bridge IC
2017-03-23T08:51:29 < dongs> yeah a standard HDMI transmitter
2017-03-23T08:51:34 < dongs> parallel RGB -> HDMI
2017-03-23T08:53:43 < upgrdman> dongs, any idea if hdmi fps can be arbitrary? like could i drive hdmi 4k at like 2fps?
2017-03-23T08:54:04 < dongs> you could as long as your EDID specifies this
2017-03-23T08:54:10 < dongs> AND if tv is smart enough to supprot itr
2017-03-23T08:54:22 < dongs> but STm32 LCD controller is 2kx2k max i think
2017-03-23T08:54:36 < upgrdman> k
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2017-03-23T08:57:30 < dongs> anyway yeah i did use 144pin IC for that tho
2017-03-23T08:57:38 < dongs> 429ZI
2017-03-23T08:57:45 < dongs> thres still about 30-40 pins free
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2017-03-23T09:02:03 < mtbg> smartphone lcds are quite good and cheap
2017-03-23T09:02:18 < mtbg> for handheld vt100 I think they would be adequate
2017-03-23T09:03:17 < mtbg> but then one can have a small microusb otg to uart converter and just a smartphone as their vt
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2017-03-23T09:05:16 < upgrdman> mtbg, know of any smartphone lcds that can be driven by stm32 that are quality panels? like IPS + bonded to glass (no double reflection shit like f7disco
2017-03-23T09:07:03 < mtbg> they are all probably mipi-dsi
2017-03-23T09:07:31 < mtbg> there was someone who has made a driver for it (hdmi -> mipi-dsi converter to be precise)
2017-03-23T09:07:47 < mtbg> on some fpga
2017-03-23T09:10:53 < mtbg> as for something that you can directly drive from stm32, I think all you can get are some parallel LCDs (not as good and certainly lower resolution)
2017-03-23T09:11:04 < mtbg> from some older phones
2017-03-23T09:11:28 < mtbg> or some even older LCDs with built in driver with ram
2017-03-23T09:11:48 < mtbg> that you drive either from a parallel bus or spi
2017-03-23T09:14:26 < upgrdman> ya my 1st concern is quality. want ips + bonded.
2017-03-23T09:14:58 < upgrdman> maybe i should just learn android and hack some tablets
2017-03-23T09:14:58 < PeterM> upgrdman you can get whatever you want if ytou put in the effort to get the interface working
2017-03-23T09:15:12 < upgrdman> PeterM, ya, the effort part, uh, ya :)
2017-03-23T09:15:54 < PeterM> also, re: github SJW fuckery, i lolled, shutdown so quick
2017-03-23T09:18:01 < upgrdman> :)
2017-03-23T09:19:48 < zyp> mtbg, you're aware that you can get stm32 with a mipi-dsi port?
2017-03-23T09:19:54 < zyp> (f469)
2017-03-23T09:21:34 < PeterM> mipi-dsi is pretty straight forward, its all the annoying interface bringup hsit ythat you usually have to do
2017-03-23T09:21:40 < PeterM> 'on the panel
2017-03-23T09:22:22 < mtbg> I was not
2017-03-23T09:22:27 < mtbg> even better then
2017-03-23T09:22:48 < upgrdman> PeterM, is that like with parallel/spi lcds, where there's like 10+ regs to write before you can enable it?
2017-03-23T09:23:50 < PeterM> parallel/spi lcds are fuckin cake by comparison
2017-03-23T09:23:58 < upgrdman> orly :(
2017-03-23T09:24:01 < PeterM> ya
2017-03-23T09:30:48 < mtbg> there are mipi dsi lcds with just mipi and backlight control pins
2017-03-23T09:31:34 < mtbg> or is the mipi the channel that you use to set that registers?
2017-03-23T09:31:37 < stroopwafel> welcom peter
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2017-03-23T09:32:57 < dongs> < upgrdman> mtbg, know of any smartphone lcds that can be driven by stm32 that are quality panels? like IPS + bonded to glass (no double reflection shit like f7disco
2017-03-23T09:33:03 < dongs> yeah, mipi-dsi panels
2017-03-23T09:33:13 < dongs> but F7 has DSI
2017-03-23T09:33:17 < dongs> or some newer F4 t oo i think
2017-03-23T09:33:21 < dongs> but 720p max
2017-03-23T09:33:25 < upgrdman> dongs, ya i know. i have f7disco with mipi lcd
2017-03-23T09:33:26 < upgrdman> BUT
2017-03-23T09:33:35 < upgrdman> wtf are the ips panels bonded to glass
2017-03-23T09:33:46 < stroopwafel> M3x0.5
2017-03-23T09:33:52 < upgrdman> i see lots of TN shit with air gap below glass
2017-03-23T09:34:08 < dongs> nah man where the fuck are TN phone panels what the hel lare you smoking
2017-03-23T09:34:10 < dongs> they're all IPS
2017-03-23T09:34:27 < dongs> even cheap garbage chinaphones are aall ips
2017-03-23T09:34:39 < stroopwafel> something the jews make you buy
2017-03-23T09:34:45 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-03-23T09:34:52 < upgrdman> ya wtf am i smoking
2017-03-23T09:34:56 < upgrdman> shit.
2017-03-23T09:35:14 < upgrdman> i think wehn i looked i was poking normal retailers instead of ebay phone lcds
2017-03-23T09:35:16 < upgrdman> nm
2017-03-23T09:35:21 < dongs> < upgrdman> PeterM, is that like with parallel/spi lcds, where there's like 10+ regs to write before you can enable it?
2017-03-23T09:35:24 < dongs> no, about 100-200 regs
2017-03-23T09:35:28 < dongs> in LP mode
2017-03-23T09:35:31 < dongs> to initialize timing + shit
2017-03-23T09:35:33 < upgrdman> lol. shit
2017-03-23T09:35:41 < dongs> *usuaully* thats in the back of the datasheet
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2017-03-23T09:36:00 < upgrdman> and if using a phone lcd ... just log anal + replay
2017-03-23T09:36:01 < upgrdman> ?
2017-03-23T09:36:19 < dongs> it's a bit of a cunt to log
2017-03-23T09:36:22 < dongs> its all differential
2017-03-23T09:36:30 < dongs> no i2c stuff etc
2017-03-23T09:36:37 < upgrdman> hmm k
2017-03-23T09:36:40 < dongs> plus there's some encoding etc
2017-03-23T09:36:44 < mtbg> maybe dump from the kernel then
2017-03-23T09:36:46 < dongs> you can certainly log it but its very annoying
2017-03-23T09:36:50 < dongs> yeah dump from working driver
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2017-03-23T09:38:39 < dongs> ragequitter
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2017-03-23T09:39:26 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/CFLag2J
2017-03-23T09:39:31 < mtbg> are these really LCD registers?
2017-03-23T09:39:36 < dongs> mtbg: no they're tcon regs
2017-03-23T09:39:45 < mtbg> ok
2017-03-23T09:40:10 < dongs> 'lcd' doesn't haev any regs, its some controller, usually novatec something or other
2017-03-23T09:40:11 < mtbg> so things like pixel clock, blanking, etc?
2017-03-23T09:40:17 < dongs> so you setup timing, gamma, size etc yeah
2017-03-23T09:40:23 < dongs> and its a lot of small writes
2017-03-23T09:40:59 < mtbg> but if you get it wrong, then you can still have a image, but probably cropped or otherwise deformed
2017-03-23T09:41:54 < mtbg> or you can have it running below its maximal refresh rate
2017-03-23T09:42:29 < PeterM> dongs ive had ones before where you'd have to smash a bin to em over spi before writing like 200 regs its fucked
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2017-03-23T09:42:48 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/7uugxE96.html here's DSI>LVDS converter setup example
2017-03-23T09:43:12 < dongs> not a lot, but for last DSI panel i looked it, it was aroudn 200 writes
2017-03-23T09:43:13 < dongs> to set it up
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2017-03-23T09:44:05 < PeterM> the imgur link i linked, that truick must be r2com
2017-03-23T09:44:36 < stroopwafel> 3F3
2017-03-23T09:44:48 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Z9F8CZ96.html here's panel init example
2017-03-23T09:45:17 < stroopwafel> did you pick that from a datashit
2017-03-23T09:45:20 < stroopwafel> or RE
2017-03-23T09:45:25 < dongs> provided by panel vendor
2017-03-23T09:45:30 < stroopwafel> ic
2017-03-23T09:45:49 < stroopwafel> i'm making an autistic amplifier
2017-03-23T09:46:04 < mtbg> out of vaccines?
2017-03-23T09:46:07 < upgrdman> hehe, chrome offers to "translate" that panel init code into english
2017-03-23T09:46:15 < stroopwafel> wut
2017-03-23T09:46:58 < dongs> stroopwafel: https://media.giphy.com/media/peqUP2xdeIHG8/giphy.gif better stock up on these
2017-03-23T09:47:12 < stroopwafel> mate
2017-03-23T09:47:15 < stroopwafel> i'd love to
2017-03-23T09:47:24 < stroopwafel> i actually used to make my own panel meter gauges
2017-03-23T09:47:57 < stroopwafel> I still have a meter at home which reads 0-2 charlies
2017-03-23T09:48:01 < stroopwafel> wtf is a charlie... idk
2017-03-23T09:48:23 < PeterM> stroopwafel flashbacks from nam' 
2017-03-23T09:48:25 < stroopwafel> got a big old cos pheta one too
2017-03-23T09:48:32 < stroopwafel> PeterM: did they have 3f3 there
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2017-03-23T09:51:19 < stroopwafel> id like to know the closest epcos 
2017-03-23T09:51:38 < stroopwafel> b4 i place the e14 order
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2017-03-23T09:52:56 < PeterM> http://bit.ly/2nLkOQ9 heres a boat giving out free 3f3 in 'nam
2017-03-23T09:56:04 < stroopwafel> ty
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2017-03-23T11:30:26 < karlp> fenugrec: %#x vs %#X changes the capital 0x vs 0X you know...
2017-03-23T11:36:23 < stroopwafel> STiFF
2017-03-23T11:36:31 < dongs> DoNGS
2017-03-23T11:38:29 < karlp> ReadError: codenvy.io has no information on their webpage about what on earth I would be signing up for, why the fuck would I?
2017-03-23T11:38:39 < dongs> karlp: goto .com
2017-03-23T11:38:41 < karlp> dongs had it right: "03:01 < dongs> fail url is fail"
2017-03-23T11:38:44 < ReadError> hence why i gave the other url
2017-03-23T11:38:48 < ReadError> immediately after
2017-03-23T11:38:55 < dongs> karlp: yeah, the .io doesnt even haev a link to the real shit, fucking retarded
2017-03-23T11:38:59 < dongs> but dont worry, .com is just as bad
2017-03-23T11:39:02 < dongs> so you can save a click
2017-03-23T11:41:24 < stroopwafel> pumper.pro
2017-03-23T11:42:09 < dongs> cloner.pro is better
2017-03-23T11:42:24 < stroopwafel> crt
2017-03-23T11:45:03 < dongs> high level dongs
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2017-03-23T11:47:29 < stroopwafel> hmm....
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2017-03-23T11:50:08 < stroopwafel> whole things fucked
2017-03-23T11:56:10 < stroopwafel> alibubba
2017-03-23T11:56:26 < Steffanx> stroopwafel: i dont want you to give stroopwafels a bad name. Change your nick please.
2017-03-23T11:56:38 < stroopwafel> xo
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2017-03-23T11:56:47 < stm23> o_O
2017-03-23T11:56:49 < Steffanx> :P
2017-03-23T11:56:56 < stm23> sup mate?
2017-03-23T11:57:15 < Steffanx> The sky i think. Cant see.
2017-03-23T11:57:51 < stm23> cool
2017-03-23T11:59:54 < fenugrec> karlp yep I know but I like both lowercase 0x and uppercase hex digs
2017-03-23T12:01:51 < stm23> good night for some GPL violations
2017-03-23T12:03:57 < stm23> 0xDEADBEEF
2017-03-23T12:04:00 < stm23> shes good
2017-03-23T12:05:09 < karlp> fenugrec: hrm, I thought I was getting that form. but I guess not.
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2017-03-23T12:53:20 < stm32> POUTINE
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2017-03-23T13:24:20 < Steffanx> Yet it's probably as vulnerable to similar hacks as any other of those cams ohsix
2017-03-23T13:26:13 < Steffanx> You have any clue what im referring to mr crt?
2017-03-23T13:28:43 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-23T13:29:57 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Quit]
2017-03-23T13:31:03 < Steffanx> You think i care?
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2017-03-23T13:38:58 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/vbIiqB5.png
2017-03-23T13:39:01 < aandrew> worth the read
2017-03-23T13:42:08 < sync_> haha
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2017-03-23T14:04:02 < PeterM> do 'muricans all say "djrones" liek they have downs?
2017-03-23T14:04:14 < PeterM> (j is intentional)
2017-03-23T14:07:07 < Steffanx> watching cnn again?
2017-03-23T14:08:12 < PeterM> no?
2017-03-23T14:08:57 < Steffanx> ok
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2017-03-23T14:17:23 < ReadError> chatting.pro > cloner.pro
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2017-03-23T14:20:49 < Steffanx> pumper.pro > chatting.pro
2017-03-23T14:21:40 < ReadError> crack.money
2017-03-23T14:23:06 < PeterM> stupid.horse
2017-03-23T14:24:38 < dongs> gas.jews
2017-03-23T14:25:18 < PeterM> theres a jews .tld?
2017-03-23T14:26:13 < Steffanx> You would have to be a born jew to get one.
2017-03-23T14:26:14 < emeryth> there is .gold
2017-03-23T14:28:20 < mtbg> don't use gold
2017-03-23T14:28:22 < mtbg> use bfd
2017-03-23T14:28:30 < PeterM> ejws couldnt resist selling .tlds for money though
2017-03-23T14:29:26 < PeterM> jew.camp or work.camp
2017-03-23T14:30:51 < PeterM> theres .rich
2017-03-23T14:31:00 < PeterM> you could do an intentional misspelling
2017-03-23T14:31:04 < PeterM> to third.rich
2017-03-23T14:31:42 < Laurenceb_> oh wtf
2017-03-23T14:31:49 < Laurenceb_> HWNDU is in UK
2017-03-23T14:32:02 < Laurenceb_> guess I should do my duty to trollin
2017-03-23T14:32:32 < PeterM> got a maga cap and a pepe shirt?
2017-03-23T14:32:36 < Laurenceb_>  solution to stop getting trolled by Trump supporters is to move to the country that voted for Brexit? 
2017-03-23T14:33:30 < Laurenceb_> He Will Not Divide Us, but the ocean will
2017-03-23T14:33:59 < PeterM> i love how the first google result for HWNDU is wiki.suicide.cc, and shias website is liek 4th
2017-03-23T14:34:12 < Laurenceb_> lel suicide.cc
2017-03-23T14:35:44 < Emil> :D
2017-03-23T14:36:44 < PeterM> i wonder how thermally tolerant flags are
2017-03-23T14:37:59 < Emil> Laz0rs aren't viable
2017-03-23T14:38:11 < PeterM> this looks like a job for a quadcopter and some petrol m8, fuck lasers
2017-03-23T14:38:14 < PeterM> thats hard
2017-03-23T14:38:21 < PeterM> a quad and petrol is cake
2017-03-23T14:39:01 < Emil> Nice felony chargers, probably
2017-03-23T14:39:07 < Emil> charges*
2017-03-23T14:39:24 < PeterM> implying they catch ytou
2017-03-23T14:39:30 < karlp> HWNDU? is this some laurance is hilarious shit?
2017-03-23T14:40:04 < karlp> ah, shia. I think I get it now.
2017-03-23T14:41:20 < PeterM> also, emil, sif stealing a flag isnt felony charges as it is
2017-03-23T14:44:32 < karlp> I'm not truly up on the felony vs misdemeanor chargs, but I'm not sure that stealing a flag (non national) would bump from misdemeanor up to felony anyway would it?
2017-03-23T14:44:36 < karlp> isn't it value related?
2017-03-23T14:45:35 < PeterM> $500
2017-03-23T14:53:31 < englishman> no felonies in UK
2017-03-23T14:55:47 < englishman> believe me 8ch was discussing drones+napalm 24h ago
2017-03-23T14:58:12 < PeterM> then why hasnt it been done?
2017-03-23T15:00:41 < englishman> waiting on Laurenceb to do something, he's an academic, itl take years
2017-03-23T15:01:50 < zyp> interesting chats as always
2017-03-23T15:02:56 < Steffanx> \o zyp :P
2017-03-23T15:03:10 < englishman> stroopwafel.life
2017-03-23T15:24:13 < Steffanx> 4ever.
2017-03-23T15:35:53 < Laurenceb_>  itl take years
2017-03-23T15:36:00 < Laurenceb_> correct, too lazy to leave house atm
2017-03-23T15:37:14 < Laurenceb_> ah Liverpool
2017-03-23T15:37:18 < Laurenceb_> not too far from me
2017-03-23T15:38:14 < Laurenceb_> Slater Street
2017-03-23T15:38:31 < Laurenceb_> roof of a 6 story building :S
2017-03-23T15:40:16 < Laurenceb_> Oakfield Pupil Referral Unit
2017-03-23T15:40:18 < Laurenceb_> top kek
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2017-03-23T15:49:19 < englishman> found the reason dongs goes to alaska every winter http://i.imgur.com/W52UgcR.gifv
2017-03-23T15:50:59 < Laurenceb_> stopped just it time
2017-03-23T15:51:05 < Laurenceb_> otherwise it would have been gay
2017-03-23T15:53:18 < Emil> PeterM: it's not about the stealing
2017-03-23T15:53:29 < Emil> PeterM: it's about the petrol you mentioned
2017-03-23T15:55:57 < Emil> Oh it's in the UK
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2017-03-23T16:06:25 < karlp> hrm, doing a SCB system reset sets both SFT_RSTF _and_ PIN_RSTF in RCC_CSR
2017-03-23T16:06:32 < karlp> wasn't expecting to see pin reset there.
2017-03-23T16:06:45 < karlp> I guess that's because stm32 implemented reset by doing a system reset, not just a core reset?
2017-03-23T16:07:32 < zyp> well, you did SYSRESETREQ didn't you?
2017-03-23T16:07:36 < zyp> that's a system reset
2017-03-23T16:07:45 < zyp> core reset is VECTRESET
2017-03-23T16:08:24 < jpa-> sysresetreq also pulses the external nrst pin IIRC
2017-03-23T16:08:36 < zyp> yes, it does
2017-03-23T16:09:31 < zyp> heh, VECTRESET description is "Reserved for Debug use. This bit reads as 0. When writing to the register you must write 0 to this bit, otherwise behavior is Unpredictable."
2017-03-23T16:14:42 < englishman> yo jpa- 
2017-03-23T16:14:45 < englishman> nanopb is awesome
2017-03-23T16:14:46 < englishman> that's all
2017-03-23T16:15:26 < jpa-> englishman: maybe one day i'll find a use for it myself :P
2017-03-23T16:16:48 < zyp> jpa-, you have this tendency to make a bunch of libs you don't use yourself
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2017-03-23T16:18:40 < jpa-> zyp: it seems so yeah :)
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2017-03-23T16:29:21 < mtbg> has anyone here ordered flex or rigid flex pcbs?
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2017-03-23T16:40:14 < dongs> i thought about it a few times but usually ended up without it
2017-03-23T16:41:56 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/why/32617280429.html
2017-03-23T16:43:18 < englishman> where's the joke
2017-03-23T16:43:24 < dongs> what is that for
2017-03-23T16:43:29 < dongs> is this for homo etching shit?
2017-03-23T16:43:50 < englishman> you can see them on jackets and stuff
2017-03-23T16:43:58 < englishman> to rivet two pieces of fabric together
2017-03-23T16:44:06 < englishman> or make a hole in a towel for a hanger
2017-03-23T16:44:20 < dongs> oh is that waht its for?
2017-03-23T16:44:31 < englishman> oh it says PCB in the title
2017-03-23T16:44:32 < ReadError> no
2017-03-23T16:44:37 < ReadError> you can use them for vias
2017-03-23T16:44:45 < englishman> heh
2017-03-23T16:44:45 < ReadError> on homemade pcb
2017-03-23T16:44:49 < englishman> oh yeah i saw that once
2017-03-23T16:44:55 < ReadError> looks like a massive PITA
2017-03-23T16:44:59 < englishman> like 1/4 of them made shitty contact and had to be soldered
2017-03-23T16:45:31 < englishman> 0.9mm yeah i guess taht isnt clothing size
2017-03-23T16:46:03 < dongs> not PCB size either
2017-03-23T16:46:05 < dongs> thats giant
2017-03-23T16:46:19 < dongs> maybe if your main processor is atmega328 in PDIP
2017-03-23T16:46:37 < englishman> well if you are diy milling/etching double sided pcb
2017-03-23T16:48:56 < ReadError> better to use one of those plating kits
2017-03-23T16:49:43 < mtbg> dongs: did you establish how much such pcbs cost? there are virtually no online quote calculators for flex
2017-03-23T16:50:32 < dongs> mtbg: tried allpcb? tehy actaully claim to doit
2017-03-23T16:50:42 < dongs> mtbg: i know local place was like $500 for setup
2017-03-23T16:50:45 < dongs> and $$$ per board
2017-03-23T16:50:54 < dongs> so.. that was part of the reason i didnt bother
2017-03-23T16:51:58 < dongs> i got spam from some chink palce this mornign
2017-03-23T16:52:18 < dongs> Flex Circuit
2017-03-23T16:52:19 < dongs> -1-6 layers  -6mil drill -4/4mil trace/space -0.5-3oz copper wt.
2017-03-23T16:52:19 < dongs> -0.05-0.8mm brd. thk. -16"*24" brd. size -RA, ED copper -Polyimide, Polyester
2017-03-23T16:52:19 < dongs> base material -FR4, Polyimide,  Polyester stiffener -HAL(LF), ENIG, OSP,
2017-03-23T16:52:19 < dongs> Gold connector -IPC-6013 class 2/3 -48-hour prototype
2017-03-23T16:54:19 < mtbg> seems more than enough
2017-03-23T16:54:52 < mtbg> I need just one sided flex cable but somewhat non standard length
2017-03-23T16:56:15 < dongs> flex cable, like, FPC?
2017-03-23T16:56:18 < dongs> china has those by the meter
2017-03-23T16:56:22 < dongs> any pitch/number of pins
2017-03-23T16:56:27 < dongs> you dsont need to roll your own pcb for that shit
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2017-03-23T16:57:41 < mtbg> I would need about 15mm length 8 pin cables
2017-03-23T16:58:06 < dongs> 15mm FPC? are you doing some crappy board to board thing wiht short spacing between?
2017-03-23T16:58:45 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/fpc/32724451687.html
2017-03-23T16:58:49 < dongs> and shit exists, anyway
2017-03-23T16:58:53 < mtbg> something like that, I need to get some signals out of a sensor thing potted in resin
2017-03-23T17:00:55 < mtbg> more like 0.3mm pitch would be ok
2017-03-23T17:01:08 < mtbg> 0.8 is too wide
2017-03-23T17:01:21 < dongs> well, bro, this was 1st fucking google hit
2017-03-23T17:01:38 < dongs> i can't guess your speifications im not a mind reader
2017-03-23T17:01:52 < dongs> but im pretty sure china will gladly sell you premade fpc in that spec
2017-03-23T17:01:56 < dongs> without rolling your own
2017-03-23T17:02:07 < dongs> or else, contact a place that seems to have a lot of custom ones and have them make some for you
2017-03-23T17:02:15 < dongs> would still be cehaper than drawing your own and possibly fucking up
2017-03-23T17:05:25 < mtbg> ok then
2017-03-23T17:05:27 < mtbg> thanks
2017-03-23T17:06:00 < dongs> do you actually haev a matching 0.3mm socket on the other end? cuz all the ones ive seen come in odd numberings
2017-03-23T17:06:06 < dongs> like 51/31/21/11/etc
2017-03-23T17:07:21 < mtbg> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/307/XF3A_0411-31168.pdf
2017-03-23T17:08:03 < dongs> nice
2017-03-23T17:12:28 < mtbg> 10 times insertion tolerance, but it is still ok
2017-03-23T17:12:44 < mtbg> since it will be used once and then potted
2017-03-23T17:13:26 < dongs> did leelooman actually ragequit freenode
2017-03-23T17:25:55 < englishman> ive found with those connectors 10 times is optimistic
2017-03-23T17:26:04 < englishman> looking @ your shit dongs
2017-03-23T17:28:21 < dongs> lole
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2017-03-23T17:43:45 < karlp> http://www.c-cstar.com.tw/ make custom fpc and shit too if you need it.
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2017-03-23T18:54:04 < Steffanx> musics for kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moaPl-SqzEc
2017-03-23T18:58:18 < englishman> musics for Steffanx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_swivbEsD50
2017-03-23T18:59:13 < Steffanx> lol no, where did you find that crap englishman -_-
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2017-03-23T19:01:01 < Steffanx> englishman want to hear a nice story about one of those two guys?
2017-03-23T19:01:07 < englishman> certainly
2017-03-23T19:03:11 < Steffanx> Mr Ronnie Flex, after this called Mr. RF, gave a concert once. A great fan decided to throw a beer at the great rapper/singer. Mr. RF did not like this and went totally mad and went away.
2017-03-23T19:03:32 < Thorn> wtf is wrong with the UEV DMA request. I spent 3 hours fighting weird (and inconsistent) behavior in my ws2812b driver, finally replaced UEV with another OC channel and suddenly everything works
2017-03-23T19:03:33 < Steffanx> All of the concerts after this people did the same thing.. it became a nationa sport. Beer throwing at Mr. RF.
2017-03-23T19:03:48 < Thorn> I had it skipping a pulse, extending a pulse etc.
2017-03-23T19:04:04 < Steffanx> People no longer went to the concert for great music, but to troll. 
2017-03-23T19:04:11 < Steffanx> End of story.
2017-03-23T19:05:11 < Steffanx> Yay Thorn.
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2017-03-23T19:17:41 < kakimir> did you stroopwaffle me already Steffanx ?
2017-03-23T19:20:32 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/a/efoLI
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2017-03-23T19:24:05 < Steffanx> No comment kakimir.
2017-03-23T19:24:54 < kakimir> you ordered isis to my address by sending muhamad cartoons to islamic community with my address in it?
2017-03-23T19:25:26 < karlp> man, reallllly don't need much paste for an stm32.
2017-03-23T19:26:22 < Steffanx> Have tom66 quality pics yet?
2017-03-23T19:27:06 < englishman> anyone used Go and a serial library
2017-03-23T19:27:11 < englishman> shit is slow as hell
2017-03-23T19:27:16 < englishman> considering switching to HID
2017-03-23T19:27:36 < Steffanx> Why Go?
2017-03-23T19:27:58 < dongs> > go 
2017-03-23T19:27:58 < englishman> seems neat, easy to spin up a simple webserver and write to files, and crossplatform
2017-03-23T19:27:58 < dongs> wat
2017-03-23T19:28:21 < dongs> did you catch some amp! from o6
2017-03-23T19:28:29 < Steffanx> What's next? NodeJS?
2017-03-23T19:28:36 < dongs> next you';ll be writing shit in nodejs
2017-03-23T19:28:39 < dongs> oh.
2017-03-23T19:28:41 < dongs> right.
2017-03-23T19:28:47 < englishman> its pretty Clike and brian kernighan wrote the book
2017-03-23T19:29:15 < dongs> but can you use it with stdperiphlib or do you need to use hal
2017-03-23T19:30:59 < englishman> if you want to serve shit on the web you just
2017-03-23T19:31:12 < englishman> http.HandleFunc("/", handler)
2017-03-23T19:31:32 < dongs> one liner in node.js as well
2017-03-23T19:31:35 < englishman> http.ListenAndServe(":8000", nil)
2017-03-23T19:31:35 < kakimir> had haircut first time in 4months it was pretty nive
2017-03-23T19:31:43 < dongs> http.createServer().listen(31337)
2017-03-23T19:32:01 < englishman> isnt jabbascript a web thing tho
2017-03-23T19:32:14 < dongs> as opposed to what
2017-03-23T19:32:25 < englishman> something that runs on PC and not in a browser
2017-03-23T19:32:50 < dongs> your favorite shitty text editors are all written in jabbascript
2017-03-23T19:32:52 < dongs> atom etc
2017-03-23T19:32:55 < dongs> there's some PC runtime for that shit
2017-03-23T19:32:58 < dongs> PC/whateverplatform
2017-03-23T19:33:03 < englishman> like this little program takes serial data, logs to CSV and hosts some graphs on web
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2017-03-23T19:33:15 < englishman> ah
2017-03-23T19:33:23 < englishman> well this is close enough to C that there is less to learn
2017-03-23T19:33:49 < englishman> and the Go book is the same size as the C book so they stack nicely
2017-03-23T19:35:43 < dongs> go on rails
2017-03-23T19:41:43 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7njDbOXQAUngIy.jpg
2017-03-23T19:42:07 < upgrdman> good job microsoft    https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/22900
2017-03-23T19:43:04 < Laurenceb> the blinking cursor rendering
2017-03-23T19:43:05 < Laurenceb> wut
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2017-03-23T19:48:48 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7mTm6_UwAAi1R6.jpg
2017-03-23T19:51:34 < englishman> wow teh HWNDU flag is already down
2017-03-23T19:51:42 < Laurenceb> lel
2017-03-23T19:52:10 < Laurenceb> how in the hell
2017-03-23T19:53:20 < dongs> what is/was it
2017-03-23T19:53:50 < englishman> shia labeef being constantly outprogressed by 4ch
2017-03-23T19:53:56 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/jXqGEVa.jpg
2017-03-23T19:53:58 < Laurenceb> JUST
2017-03-23T19:56:24 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7nZNcoXgAA2zNQ.jpg
2017-03-23T19:56:41 < dongs> actually funny for a moment
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2017-03-23T20:21:32 < Thorn> zyp: btw dma to upper half of BSRR confirmed working
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2017-03-23T20:29:45 < Thorn> (on F4)
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2017-03-23T20:58:02 < zyp> Thorn, cool
2017-03-23T20:59:16 < zyp> englishman, how do you like go?
2017-03-23T20:59:21 < englishman> it's really neat
2017-03-23T20:59:48 < zyp> also, you're saying ACM is slow?
2017-03-23T21:01:22 < englishman> ACM?
2017-03-23T21:01:44 < englishman> i think serial drivers are quirky when it comes to how they handle threading and buffers
2017-03-23T21:02:12 < zyp> ACM = usb serial
2017-03-23T21:02:19 < englishman> ah
2017-03-23T21:02:40 < zyp> it's the serial-subclass of USB CDC
2017-03-23T21:03:03 < zyp> since CDC also encompasses ethernet and shit
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2017-03-23T22:00:36 < Thorn> so what is the current of a ws2812b set to 255,255,255? datasheet implies 60mA but I'm measuring 33-34mA (@5V)
2017-03-23T22:01:02 < Thorn> not a small difference
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2017-03-23T22:30:31 < karlp> does go still compile eeverything locally into a big static executable for like 5meg+?
2017-03-23T22:30:55 < englishman> yep
2017-03-23T22:31:14 < englishman> though maybe you can change that im literally on like page 22 of the book
2017-03-23T22:31:30 < Steffanx> Even got a book
2017-03-23T22:32:13 < Steffanx> Real book on paper?
2017-03-23T22:32:29 < englishman> who's old now
2017-03-23T22:32:54 < Steffanx> You?
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2017-03-23T22:34:27 < karlp> englishman: hrm.  that big static up front has been stopping me from using it so far.  need to run on tiny routers if it's going to be useful for me.
2017-03-23T22:34:36 < karlp> though everyone's all like, "woo, easy fast"
2017-03-23T22:34:38  * karlp shrugs
2017-03-23T22:34:44 < englishman> i don't think there's even an arm compiler?
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2017-03-23T22:35:00 < englishman> oh for sure there is, it runs on rageberruy
2017-03-23T22:35:08 < karlp> it's packaged for openwrt, I'm sur eit runs on mips too.
2017-03-23T22:35:15 < karlp> it's just taht big static compiles are a killer
2017-03-23T22:35:37 < Thorn> ok wat. qt app streaming pixel data over usb every 1000/24ms using QObject::startTimer(). when the app is not focused, after 20-30 seconds it starts sending a frame every 10 seconds or so instead of 24 fps. osx
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2017-03-23T22:57:39 < upgrdman> does Go support ~everything a desktop app would need, or is it more of a utility language? like does it have a gui toolkit, serial port support, etc?
2017-03-23T23:00:35 < karlp> aiui, very much targetted at servers not desktop apps
2017-03-23T23:01:21 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-03-23T23:01:38 < upgrdman> i liked the sound o "a big static executable"
2017-03-23T23:04:00 < karlp> yeah, great for your desktop "I don't want to think about shit" people
2017-03-23T23:06:21 < upgrdman> exactly my target audience
2017-03-23T23:06:41 < upgrdman> im pretty close. java jar -> wrapped in exe -> pack with a jre in an SFX. 
2017-03-23T23:07:10 < upgrdman> but bunding a JRE in the exe is kinda a waste of space. makes "5MB" sound efficient in comparison.
2017-03-23T23:10:09 < Steffanx> When bundling the JRE saves me from installing the JRE. Then it's the best thing one can do.
2017-03-23T23:11:30 < upgrdman> agreed
2017-03-23T23:12:37 < karlp> yeah, we have an app that bundles the JRE for windows installers.
2017-03-23T23:12:49 < karlp> for linux/mac it's just a fat jar and you can just double click it.
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2017-03-23T23:14:14 < upgrdman> karlp, but for lin/mac, they'd need to have the jre installed right?
2017-03-23T23:14:51 < karlp> they've got that out of the box
2017-03-23T23:14:54 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-23T23:15:06 < karlp> we actually don't care about mac, it's "contact us for a binary" and no-one's ever done it.
2017-03-23T23:15:17 < upgrdman> lol cool
2017-03-23T23:15:22 < karlp> but the one time we tried it, it "just worked"
2017-03-23T23:15:34 < karlp> but it's shitty java swign that I didn't write and don't want to maintain :)
2017-03-23T23:15:48 < karlp> I want to replace it with pyqt or somethin
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2017-03-24T00:00:08 < jadew> man... st's login to get software is fucking annoying
2017-03-24T00:00:17 < jadew> I never remember my password
2017-03-24T00:00:24 < kakimir> I need something to read spinning of a big spool of towing line
2017-03-24T00:00:38 < kakimir> prefferably higher resolution than one rotation
2017-03-24T00:00:59 < upgrdman> jadew, pass mgr, or maybe bugmenot.com
2017-03-24T00:01:12 < upgrdman> chome knows all my asswords
2017-03-24T00:01:13 < kakimir> something like optical sticker thing
2017-03-24T00:01:36 < jadew> upgrdman, my chrome knows some of them too, but I switched OSs
2017-03-24T00:01:55 < jadew> I'm creating a fake account as we speak
2017-03-24T00:02:11 < kakimir> you think you can trick it
2017-03-24T00:02:42 < kakimir> it's getting smarter
2017-03-24T00:05:40 < jadew> not smarter than me
2017-03-24T00:06:53 < jadew> The registration has been completed. Please login here .
2017-03-24T00:07:23 < kakimir> it follows irclogs
2017-03-24T00:07:33 < jadew> and I'll make a new user every time I need something from them, they deserve the garbage entries
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2017-03-24T00:48:58 < upgrdman> any cheap stm32's with 4 dac channels and 4 adc channels? dont need much else, so even a tssop20 would be fine
2017-03-24T00:49:47 < kakimir> isn't the number of dac the limiting parameter?
2017-03-24T00:49:58 < upgrdman> ya. most seem to be just 2ch
2017-03-24T00:50:00 < upgrdman> i need 4ch
2017-03-24T00:50:01 < jadew> I don't think there are any ST MCUs with 4 DAC channels
2017-03-24T00:50:09 < upgrdman> thought so. ok.
2017-03-24T00:50:39 < kakimir> I don't even remember midrange chip right now that has multiple DACs
2017-03-24T00:50:43 < kakimir> like 4 of them
2017-03-24T00:50:55 < jadew> there are some atmel ones that do
2017-03-24T00:51:06 < jadew> atmega64, atmega128
2017-03-24T00:51:10 < upgrdman> ya fuck that. i just do a small cpld + dac + adc
2017-03-24T00:51:30 < jadew> for analog switching?
2017-03-24T00:51:49 < jadew> you can use one of the HC4066 or something along those lines
2017-03-24T00:51:59 < kakimir> how fast dacs you need?
2017-03-24T00:52:03 < kakimir> and how much bits?
2017-03-24T00:52:28 < upgrdman> no im basically making:    10Mbaud UART -> drive 4 DACs, read 4 ADC -> send reading back out the UART
2017-03-24T00:52:36 < upgrdman> 12bit DACs and ADCs
2017-03-24T00:52:57 < upgrdman> some glue logic board i need to make to fix some chinagineering
2017-03-24T00:53:10 < Thorn> I guess unlike ADC you actually need 4 DACs, not just 1 DAC + demux
2017-03-24T00:53:31 < Thorn> so that the outputs keep their set voltage at all times
2017-03-24T00:53:32 < jadew> depends on what he's doing tho
2017-03-24T00:53:39 < upgrdman> ya
2017-03-24T00:53:40 < jadew> maybe he doesn't need that
2017-03-24T00:53:46 < upgrdman> i need that
2017-03-24T00:53:52 < jadew> then external DAC?
2017-03-24T00:54:08 < Thorn> otoh perhaps you can demux + sample&holds + buffers
2017-03-24T00:54:10 < Thorn> lol
2017-03-24T00:54:10 < upgrdman> dont have exact specs, but suspect i'll need all four DACs to be 1MSPS, same for ADC
2017-03-24T00:54:36 < jadew> the atmegas do 2 Msps for the ADCs
2017-03-24T00:54:40 < jadew> don't know about the DACs
2017-03-24T00:55:08 < jadew> 1 Msps
2017-03-24T00:55:11 < jadew> :)
2017-03-24T00:55:33 < upgrdman> but then i'll need another toolchain just for this shit board
2017-03-24T00:55:38 < jadew> sorry, that's xmega
2017-03-24T00:55:41 < upgrdman> rather use an stm32 or a machxo2
2017-03-24T00:55:55 < jadew> so atxmega128 and atxmega64
2017-03-24T00:56:13 < Thorn> or peak detectors for every channel
2017-03-24T00:56:59 < jadew> Thorn, he'll have issues with the sampling speed tho
2017-03-24T00:57:41 < karlp> just use PARALLEL PROCESSING
2017-03-24T00:57:44 < karlp> stm64!
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2017-03-24T00:57:56 < upgrdman> and for bonus points, this 10MBaud UART will be over fiber optics :)
2017-03-24T00:58:15 < jadew> neat
2017-03-24T00:58:25 < jadew> I have some fiber around here, but never got the chance to play with it
2017-03-24T00:58:29 < upgrdman> unless i can find a better way to get 100kV of isolation
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2017-03-24T01:00:13 < kakimir> show interesting kickstarters dongs & co.
2017-03-24T01:00:37 < jadew> pretty sure dongs is only in the business of showing shit kickstarters
2017-03-24T01:01:45 < kakimir> there is cool stuff for sure
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2017-03-24T01:05:07 < kakimir> what was that kickstarter for like EE?
2017-03-24T01:05:48 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c636526/v636526359/54880/g6GswYQpD98.jpg
2017-03-24T01:05:51 < jadew> moneyfirestarter.com
2017-03-24T01:06:36 < sync_> upgrdman: what for?
2017-03-24T01:06:50 < sync_> fiber works well, but I also have seen wifi :D
2017-03-24T01:07:08 < upgrdman> sync_, the whole design? control and monitoring of some shit inside an xray generator
2017-03-24T01:07:10 < upgrdman> oil filled
2017-03-24T01:07:24 < upgrdman> for r&d chinagineering
2017-03-24T01:07:31 < sync_> ah, yeah then fiber is ok
2017-03-24T01:07:39 < sync_> but usually all the sensing is done on the low side
2017-03-24T01:07:52 < upgrdman> ya but their design wont accomodate that
2017-03-24T01:07:54 < upgrdman> but china
2017-03-24T01:07:58 < upgrdman> because china*
2017-03-24T01:08:02 < sync_> the fuck
2017-03-24T01:08:26 < sync_> that would be significantly cheaper than doing stuff on the highside
2017-03-24T01:08:38 < sync_> I once made a remote current transducer for my -150kV stack
2017-03-24T01:08:48 < upgrdman> ya shit r&d prototype -> "shit shit shit guys, we need halp" -> make us a 4ch dac 4ch adc board to stick inside the oil tank
2017-03-24T01:08:52 < sync_> to verify that the "lowside" measurment worked
2017-03-24T01:09:27 < upgrdman> it's also painful trying to extract requirements from them
2017-03-24T01:09:39 < upgrdman> dunno if i need 8bit or 12bit or 16bit resolution even
2017-03-24T01:09:55 < sync_> 2 bit
2017-03-24T01:10:04 < sync_> or 1
2017-03-24T01:10:10 < sync_> "yes there is current"
2017-03-24T01:10:11 < upgrdman> seem like in cn everyone is afraid to be wrong, so they just never commit to anything
2017-03-24T01:10:13 < sync_> "no there is not"
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2017-03-24T01:25:42 < Laurenceb_> >the welsh still exist
2017-03-24T01:25:43 < Laurenceb_> W H Y
2017-03-24T01:25:55 < Steffanx> So tell them you cannot do your job without proper requirements upgrdman
2017-03-24T01:26:12 < Steffanx> The blaxters still exist. W H Y.
2017-03-24T01:26:40 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ya but its just par for the course. and im paid by the hour, so i dont mind the back-n-forth
2017-03-24T01:26:49 < sync_> haha :D
2017-03-24T01:26:58 < sync_> milk dem bois
2017-03-24T01:27:38 < Steffanx> You are paid by the our.. didn't you work for some company => fixed salary?
2017-03-24T01:27:44 < Steffanx> *hour
2017-03-24T01:28:05 < Steffanx> Or did you go self-employed like all the fancy pants.
2017-03-24T01:28:29 < upgrdman> no, same compnay. im effectively paid an hourly rate
2017-03-24T01:28:55 < upgrdman> but they call it a salary for some weird reason. they just assume 40hr/wk * 52 weeks = salary
2017-03-24T01:29:06 < upgrdman> but theyre cool. pay me overtime when needed, etc.
2017-03-24T01:29:12 < upgrdman> good benefits
2017-03-24T01:29:14 < upgrdman> etc
2017-03-24T01:34:39 < Steffanx> so even when there is no work you get paid?
2017-03-24T01:34:52 < Steffanx> Hi brother crt
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2017-03-24T01:40:20 < upgrdman> Steffanx, yes, but there is always a backlog of work
2017-03-24T01:40:25 < upgrdman> like >1yr of shit to do
2017-03-24T01:40:44 < upgrdman> and things just get reprioritized as needed
2017-03-24T01:42:50 < aandrew> so
2017-03-24T01:42:58 < aandrew> let's talk eeprom storage of simple parameters
2017-03-24T01:43:41 < aandrew> thinking of storing them as simple strings (call it JSONified if you want but I wasn't going to go that far)
2017-03-24T01:44:24 < aandrew> each parameter is just a string ("foo=bar") with a 32-bit header on the front of it
2017-03-24T01:44:35 < aandrew> 24 bits of flags, of which only 1 is used ("valid")
2017-03-24T01:44:38 < aandrew> and 8 bits of length
2017-03-24T01:44:52 < dongs> nanopb
2017-03-24T01:44:53 < aandrew> paramters are just stored as <flags><string><flags><string><flags><string> etc
2017-03-24T01:46:36 < aandrew> want to modify a parameter, write the status with valid=0 (since you can overwrite a 1 to zero) and write the new value at the end
2017-03-24T01:46:46 < aandrew> nanopb works for parameter storage to nonvolatile memory?
2017-03-24T01:51:27 < dongs> why not?
2017-03-24T01:52:02 < englishman> aandrew: protobufs
2017-03-24T01:52:05 < englishman> and done
2017-03-24T01:52:17 < englishman> ( via nanopb)
2017-03-24T01:53:11 < aandrew> protocol buffers are for serializing binary structures
2017-03-24T01:53:32 < aandrew> this is overkill for simple storage of strings, although for storing things like ip addresses etc
2017-03-24T01:54:32 < englishman> in the time it took you to type that you could have linked nanopb and written your protobuf structure
2017-03-24T01:56:09 < aandrew> I still need to slap on the same validation method, which is the more interesting part
2017-03-24T01:58:43 < Laurenceb_> I need to do horse telemetry with protobufs
2017-03-24T01:59:11 < aandrew> we're using COAP for lightweight comms over TCP/IP
2017-03-24T01:59:16 < Laurenceb_> although the SP1ML would need to actually work first
2017-03-24T01:59:26 < aandrew> what's that
2017-03-24T01:59:28 < Laurenceb_> ST firmware is truly epic fail
2017-03-24T01:59:49 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: ST module for ISM band comms with truly epic fail firmware
2017-03-24T01:59:52 < Steffanx> hows horse telemetry going?
2017-03-24T02:00:01 < Laurenceb_> not being paid to work on that atm
2017-03-24T02:00:30 < Laurenceb_> if project continues at some point the SP1ML needs working firmware then I need a coherent way to send data through the link
2017-03-24T02:00:39 < Laurenceb_> protocol buffers look promising
2017-03-24T02:01:54 < Laurenceb_> ideally a way to define sample Hz and bits/sample in some config file then have everything else handle itself
2017-03-24T02:02:23 < Laurenceb_> atm its just binary packets with 16bits/sample and 250hz sampling
2017-03-24T02:06:12 < Laurenceb_> needs something that allows arbitrary mix of sample rates and bits/sample to coexist over one link
2017-03-24T02:12:09 < Thorn> use http://microelectronics.esa.int/vhdl/pss/PSS-04-106.pdf
2017-03-24T02:18:51 < Laurenceb_> interesting read, thanks
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2017-03-24T02:21:53 < Kitlith> Hey, just curious, what is the behavior of the SWD lines when they are permanently disabled and you try to access SWD over them?
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2017-03-24T02:23:26 < Kitlith> (I have a commercial device containing a stm32f0 with exposed pads for SWD that I suspect has been disabled)
2017-03-24T02:24:48 < Thorn> you can still connect if you keep the mcu in reset while connecting
2017-03-24T02:25:10 < Thorn> they likely enabled code protection though
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2017-03-24T02:55:24 < Kitlith> even on protection level 2?
2017-03-24T02:55:57 < englishman> protection level 2 = youre fucked
2017-03-24T02:56:16 < stm32> no rubber
2017-03-24T02:56:40 < Kitlith> that's what I thought, but I want to know what *behavior* those pins will have in protection mode 2.
2017-03-24T02:57:23 < Kitlith> (in case, y'know, when I set this up I just did a bad soldering job or something)
2017-03-24T02:57:37 < englishman> i think a couple people here have tried, maybe ask in a couple hours when the EU guys are up
2017-03-24T02:58:01 < englishman> if it doesnt connect under reset and all the rest is good, it could be protection 2 yeah
2017-03-24T03:00:28 < Steffanx> EU guys like zyp are often not asleep around this time though :P
2017-03-24T03:00:43 < Steffanx> but norway isn't EU so doesnt count.
2017-03-24T03:00:48 < englishman> well that guy never sleeps
2017-03-24T03:01:39 < Steffanx> is beaver post always this slow?
2017-03-24T03:01:50 < englishman> it'll be here tomorrow i bet
2017-03-24T03:02:15 < Steffanx> Expected delivery: 1-12 business days. Yay.
2017-03-24T03:02:33 < englishman> hasnt it been 10 calendar days
2017-03-24T03:02:36 < englishman> looking good so far
2017-03-24T03:03:20 < englishman> my rpi zero w that i ordered from the UK via royalmail already arrived. shipped monda
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2017-03-24T03:05:08 < Steffanx> yeah..
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2017-03-24T03:09:16 < stm32> hey sexy
2017-03-24T03:10:50 < Steffanx> I already gave my greetings to your other personality, better ask him for it.
2017-03-24T03:11:42 < stm32> ty
2017-03-24T03:11:52 < stm32> remember there are probably 4 personalities
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2017-03-24T03:40:53 < aandrew> if I'm to use protocol buffers it doesn't seem to solve much at all
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2017-03-24T04:39:40 < aandrew> pbuffs do nothing for me
2017-03-24T04:39:49 < aandrew> although for a wireline protocol it's nice and small
2017-03-24T04:40:05 < aandrew> but having just finished beating my head against ASN1, it's not that much different
2017-03-24T04:40:49 < stm32> just touch it
2017-03-24T04:48:32 < englishman> what doesnt it do for you
2017-03-24T04:49:04 < englishman> just add size and crc to the bitstream
2017-03-24T04:49:26 < englishman> and save to eeprom/flash
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2017-03-24T05:14:17 < dongs> https://twitter.com/Babylonian/status/845027732845084672
2017-03-24T05:14:20 < dongs> such hackers
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2017-03-24T05:15:53 < stroopwafel> wut is dat
2017-03-24T05:15:59 < dongs> american tv
2017-03-24T05:16:02 < stroopwafel> ew
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2017-03-24T05:20:58 < ReadError> sdfjasdfo;djfsijfsda
2017-03-24T05:20:59 < ReadError> dfglldfg
2017-03-24T05:21:02 < ReadError> lol haxing
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2017-03-24T05:38:08 < stroopwafel> the RATWORKS
2017-03-24T05:41:09 < stroopwafel> saunter on over and suck his fucking cock
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2017-03-24T05:59:33 < englishman> https://sysprogs.com/analyzer2go/
2017-03-24T06:00:24 < aandrew> why?
2017-03-24T06:00:40 < englishman> same guy that made visualgdb
2017-03-24T06:00:57 < aandrew> get a $5 FX2LP dev kit and use saleae for whatever the oss firmware is, name escapes me at the moment
2017-03-24T06:01:42 < englishman> sigrok is alright
2017-03-24T06:01:54 < englishman> but does it run on 8 disco boards!!
2017-03-24T06:02:20 < stroopwafel> heroin seeds
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2017-03-24T06:02:48 < aandrew> I jus tlike how they're cheap as fuck and fast
2017-03-24T06:03:10 < aandrew> stm32disco doesn't do anything > 12mbps which limits your sampling 
2017-03-24T06:03:20 < stroopwafel> does senpai approve
2017-03-24T06:03:32 < aandrew> actually it looks like it samples faster just transfers are limited
2017-03-24T06:03:37 < aandrew> and it does data compression 
2017-03-24T06:03:38 < aandrew> not bad
2017-03-24T06:04:10 < aandrew> buy now? fuck that
2017-03-24T06:04:15 < aandrew> pay $5 and use sigrok
2017-03-24T06:04:36 < aandrew> I actually have a gnarly command line that decodes I2C live and displays it in a much better format than the default
2017-03-24T06:05:41 < englishman> but he wanted to get in on the burgeoning $5/month closedsores logic analyzer market
2017-03-24T06:08:15 < stroopwafel> nigcok
2017-03-24T06:15:23 < ReadError> woh, language, sir
2017-03-24T06:15:26 < stroopwafel> cool it with the anti-semitic remarks
2017-03-24T06:16:13 < ReadError> going full autism currently
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2017-03-24T06:16:16 < stroopwafel> my mains cable is melting as i'm testing the amplifiers
2017-03-24T06:22:42 < dongs> RS485 pros = how do you handle arbitration/collision stuff?
2017-03-24T06:22:49 < stroopwafel> even though it works, this particular amplifier smells like fried transistors
2017-03-24T06:23:02 < stroopwafel> this is rather concerning.
2017-03-24T06:23:31 < dongs> is it all software or some analog fuckery to detect idle
2017-03-24T06:29:37 < upgrdman> dongs, i've use RS485, but not actually for multi-master fuckery, just for the diff signals lol
2017-03-24T06:29:49 < upgrdman> but
2017-03-24T06:30:04 < upgrdman> i think you would want to build that into your protocol
2017-03-24T06:30:06 < upgrdman> like
2017-03-24T06:31:02 < upgrdman> if multiple masters monitor the TX lines and agree upon how to use it
2017-03-24T06:31:48 < dongs> yeah but how do you 'monitor'
2017-03-24T06:31:55 < dongs> regular trasceiver doesnt have anything weird
2017-03-24T06:32:08 < dongs> i see stuff about people posting like you have to listen to echo
2017-03-24T06:32:09 < upgrdman> e.g. round robin and they wait to "hear" the previous master before they transmit
2017-03-24T06:32:20 < dongs> if no echo = means bus collision happened
2017-03-24T06:32:30 < upgrdman> of course, that can be wasteful if many nodes will be idle
2017-03-24T06:33:29 < upgrdman> dongs, do you control the firmware for everything on the bus?
2017-03-24T06:35:58 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-24T06:36:29 < upgrdman> could a round robin thing work, or will most devices be idle
2017-03-24T06:36:57 < dongs> i think just master needs to ask and stuff will reply, maybe ill just add ID of some kind so they dont all reply at once
2017-03-24T06:37:16 < upgrdman> because you could do a protocol like: byte0 = source address, byte1 = destination address, byte2 = payload length, byte 3+ = paylod
2017-03-24T06:37:33 < upgrdman> and have all monitor byte0 and decide if they can talk AFTER that transaction
2017-03-24T06:38:00 < upgrdman> ya
2017-03-24T06:38:54 < dongs> right k
2017-03-24T06:39:03 < dongs> gonan try not to reinvent modbus too much
2017-03-24T06:41:54 < upgrdman> hi r2com
2017-03-24T06:42:11 < dongs> not much
2017-03-24T06:42:13 < dongs> assburgering
2017-03-24T06:42:37 < upgrdman> R2COM, not much. innovating some improvements to my TelemetryViewer program, but mostly being a lazy bum.
2017-03-24T06:42:41 < dongs> #CY weearing you down?
2017-03-24T06:42:46 < ReadError> im trying to build a zfs wrapper for use in amazon cloud drive backups shit
2017-03-24T06:42:57 < ReadError> beat my autism, you cant
2017-03-24T06:54:33 < englishman> R2COM how is the colt
2017-03-24T06:58:24 < englishman> lrn 2 shoot
2017-03-24T07:00:07 < englishman> yeah i count 16
2017-03-24T07:00:24 < englishman> 200y is alright tho
2017-03-24T07:01:15 < dongs> what faggot measure is yard
2017-03-24T07:01:18 < dongs> i had t o google it
2017-03-24T07:01:32 < englishman> english, like the americans use
2017-03-24T07:04:55 < englishman> yeah you can spend all kinds of money, and you should
2017-03-24T07:04:58 < englishman> youre an american now
2017-03-24T07:05:30 < englishman> i will continue to get better groups with $90 mosin-nagant
2017-03-24T07:05:41 < englishman> from 1936
2017-03-24T07:06:23 < englishman> sure they are great
2017-03-24T07:06:38 < englishman> dont use the safety then
2017-03-24T07:06:54 < englishman> you have weak american fingers
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2017-03-24T07:07:35 < dongs> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a43_1385423900 this is how R2COM parties
2017-03-24T07:09:53 < dongs> agreed
2017-03-24T07:10:37 < englishman> The instructor/trainer should ensure that the Soldier is properly applying the four marksmanship
2017-03-24T07:10:38 < englishman> fundamentals and explain that this shot group size is due to major shooting error, not weapon or
2017-03-24T07:10:38 < englishman> ammunition performance. 
2017-03-24T07:10:45 < englishman> that is my review of your shooting
2017-03-24T07:11:37 < stroopwafel> blew a channel mate
2017-03-24T07:11:42 < stroopwafel> how unrucky
2017-03-24T07:13:12 < englishman> straight from the reference manual
2017-03-24T07:15:40 < dongs> I have been in pcb manufacturing field for nealry 10year and we believe we can bring you excellent service and competitive price.
2017-03-24T07:15:43 < dongs> Regards
2017-03-24T07:15:46 < dongs> Carl
2017-03-24T07:15:51 < stroopwafel> fuck him
2017-03-24T07:16:09 < stroopwafel> I need the next generation of BJTs
2017-03-24T07:16:12 < englishman> how did you find my ad
2017-03-24T07:16:52 < stroopwafel> i inserted it.
2017-03-24T07:17:09 < stroopwafel> yes sir
2017-03-24T07:17:19 < stroopwafel> did you require some assistance?
2017-03-24T07:17:27 < dongs> wasnt it obvious
2017-03-24T07:17:31 < stroopwafel> ^
2017-03-24T07:18:51 < stroopwafel> get me a few toobs of to-264 trannies mate
2017-03-24T07:18:58 < stroopwafel> got an amp module to rebuild
2017-03-24T07:19:07 < dongs> weird
2017-03-24T07:19:11 < dongs> got a pump and dump stock spam
2017-03-24T07:19:17 < dongs> but no mention of what the fuck is actually being pumped
2017-03-24T07:19:33 < dongs> Long story short, he told me that his firm is about to finalize a big takeover by a multibillion corporation. They're buying this tiny company that is now trading at just around 10 cents a share.
2017-03-24T07:20:22 < stroopwafel> does his rich uncle in uganda need $100 to clear $22bn of funds?
2017-03-24T07:20:35 < dongs> YES
2017-03-24T07:20:49 < stroopwafel> 4:20
2017-03-24T07:20:57 < stroopwafel> time to blaze
2017-03-24T07:24:23 < ReadError> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3DPAGobh/
2017-03-24T07:24:30 < ReadError> all black dix
2017-03-24T07:24:38 < ReadError> fuckin works
2017-03-24T07:26:13 < stroopwafel> 04:20
2017-03-24T07:27:45 < stroopwafel> thats fucken 
2017-03-24T07:27:52 < stroopwafel> i gotta take this amp apart
2017-03-24T07:28:12 < stroopwafel> 1 minute and a channel blew
2017-03-24T07:29:58 < stroopwafel> why didnt he buy a camco
2017-03-24T07:39:10 < dongs> they bought a scamco instead
2017-03-24T07:39:16 < dongs> and youre now fixing it
2017-03-24T07:45:07 < dongs> delete yahoo mail account
2017-03-24T07:45:09 < dongs> problem solved
2017-03-24T07:46:54 < dongs> ynm
2017-03-24T07:50:06 < stroopwafel> lol
2017-03-24T07:50:21 < dongs> doesnt yahoo get hacked like every other month
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2017-03-24T07:55:29 < stroopwafel> it's just a protection board, that'd explain why the power supply didnt die
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2017-03-24T09:09:33 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7qlrgEVUAAFKf2.jpg
2017-03-24T09:10:33 < ohsix> /sb goto needs more thing
2017-03-24T09:10:59 < ohsix> jadew: it's the ratios/proportions that are important
2017-03-24T09:11:17 < ohsix> it's not 'it', it's a cheap way to do it
2017-03-24T09:11:55 < stroopwafel> thank fuck thats over
2017-03-24T09:12:11 < ohsix> see, too much stroopwafel
2017-03-24T09:12:13 < ohsix> sup crt
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2017-03-24T09:18:43 < ohsix> i made an impact detector target thing with piezo sensors
2017-03-24T09:19:52 < ohsix> some dude was talking about making a range target that used sensors to figure out where the impact was, and how he'd need picosecond precision timers
2017-03-24T09:20:17 < ohsix> so i ran the numberz and you'd only need 40khz sample rate for the size and whatever shit he was talking about
2017-03-24T09:20:26 < ohsix> made a wooden target to write some softjuarez
2017-03-24T09:22:49 < ohsix> need to build filterz & amp tomorrow
2017-03-24T09:23:25 < ohsix> naked signal was pretty good, but i put a wire on it so i can work on a table with the target somewhere else, and it's picking up a ton of noise
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2017-03-24T09:30:37 < upgrdman> ohsix, you triangulating sound?
2017-03-24T09:32:43 < ohsix> basically
2017-03-24T09:33:02 < ohsix> https://www.kdedirect.com/pages/about some little kid told me about these guys today lul
2017-03-24T09:33:14 < ohsix> he built his own 250 or something, and i asked him which flight controller he used
2017-03-24T09:33:15 < ohsix> cc3d
2017-03-24T09:33:31 < ohsix> and he did something funny when he bound it the first time and it flew into his computer olol
2017-03-24T09:34:07 < ohsix> hrm tha tpage sux
2017-03-24T09:34:10 < ohsix> https://www.kdedirect.com/pages/product-catalog they're in bend tho
2017-03-24T09:34:53 < upgrdman> lolwut  https://youtu.be/cVdCldkspnk?t=13
2017-03-24T09:34:54 < ohsix> he said they made the motors in town but i'm skkkeptical, going to have to get biz contact and go see
2017-03-24T09:35:24 < ohsix> upgrdman: that shit will kill you
2017-03-24T09:36:28 < PeterM> where did we all go so wrong
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2017-03-24T09:38:31 < ohsix> https://waynetron.itch.io/birdsketball this is free until monday
2017-03-24T09:38:38 < ohsix> claim 2 keep, if you can find some friends it is fun
2017-03-24T09:40:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, re: kde, lol, i think i bought some tail rotor blades from them like 5 years ago
2017-03-24T09:41:08 < upgrdman> might still have them even
2017-03-24T09:41:13 < upgrdman> in my rc shit pile
2017-03-24T09:41:39 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-24T09:42:35 < upgrdman> cant really see in the photo, but i think these tail blades from from kde    http://www.farrellf.com/projects/art/2008-04-28_Swept_Back_Triangles_RC_Heli_Canopy/stripes_overview2.jpg
2017-03-24T09:42:44 < upgrdman> and shit, that 9 years ago now. time flies.
2017-03-24T09:42:50 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7k4MiEUwAAoTrH.jpg:large
2017-03-24T09:43:01 < ohsix> drones fly when you're having fun
2017-03-24T09:43:13 < ohsix> hm
2017-03-24T09:43:18 < ohsix> i need to get 1 of those
2017-03-24T09:43:37 < ohsix> they're cheap as shit now, and i kind of stopped thinking i ever would in like the 90s
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2017-03-24T09:55:39 < stroopwafel> i love fucking it
2017-03-24T09:55:43 < stroopwafel> hi PeterM 
2017-03-24T10:03:56 < ohsix> https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2015/nov/13/ol-dirty-bastard-fbi-files/
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2017-03-24T10:05:02 < ohsix> upgrdman: i got those usb fan things i'm going to make robot drives out of
2017-03-24T10:05:11 < upgrdman> ?
2017-03-24T10:05:31 < ohsix> http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/BIG/411/B1132173411.jpg
2017-03-24T10:06:06 < ohsix> do you think it is hard/not possible to use for a balanging robot, just crap dc motors
2017-03-24T10:06:42 < ohsix> if you cut the blades off they make decent wheels when they're at 45degree to surface
2017-03-24T10:06:59 < ohsix> i'm trying to put together a real diy/salvage/ghetto robot kit
2017-03-24T10:07:46 < upgrdman> ohsix, prolly doable
2017-03-24T10:07:47 < upgrdman> but
2017-03-24T10:08:05 < upgrdman> you need to be able to change motor direction quickly and with torque
2017-03-24T10:08:12 < upgrdman> you might need to gearbox them
2017-03-24T10:08:50 < upgrdman> shit 1am already. bbl
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2017-03-24T10:11:13 < ohsix> ya it's pretty pissy
2017-03-24T10:11:26 < ohsix> with pwm and half and 500mA maybe
2017-03-24T10:11:43 < ohsix> balance robot isn't the end game, but balance robot is something i could try to do before i figured out the rest of it
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2017-03-24T10:15:56 < qyx> use a sphere 3D induction motor (youtube)
2017-03-24T10:16:30 < stroopwafel> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nJPmnT6j/A2601-68119.jpg
2017-03-24T10:16:39 < stroopwafel> what is this little chip
2017-03-24T10:18:39 < Amun_Ra> stroopwafel: looks like it's http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/149/HCPL2601-1010432.pdf
2017-03-24T10:18:43 < stroopwafel> looks to be HCPL2601
2017-03-24T10:18:46 < stroopwafel> thats my guess
2017-03-24T10:18:48 < Amun_Ra> 6N137
2017-03-24T10:19:00 < stroopwafel> i'm ah reverse chinacloning a clone
2017-03-24T10:19:23 < ohsix> optocoupler
2017-03-24T10:19:44 < ohsix> wonder wat that logo is tho
2017-03-24T10:20:05 < ohsix> found similar part/logo on some listings that say it is an optocoupler, i mean
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2017-03-24T11:31:51 < ReadError> dongs: https://github.com/ofir123/acd_cli/blob/4064d439cb1be662cd0f48e1cc2f239d07ca5fe9/acd_cli.py
2017-03-24T11:31:57 < ReadError> hows this look style wise 2 u
2017-03-24T11:32:30 < dongs> looks liek retareded python shit, scrolled through adn still can't tell waht it does
2017-03-24T11:34:38 < ReadError> yea its a fucking mess, shame since it runs pretty weell
2017-03-24T11:34:55 < ReadError> it handles data exchange w/ amazon cloud shit
2017-03-24T11:39:01 < stroopwafel> better write it in scheme
2017-03-24T11:40:44 < qyx> for nearly 2000 lines of python awesomeness I would expect oop design
2017-03-24T11:44:12 < dongs> python never design
2017-03-24T11:44:19 < dongs> just write shit with  eyes closed
2017-03-24T11:44:23 < dongs> end result = that link
2017-03-24T11:46:12 < zyp> looks pretty straight forward to me, idk what's messy about it
2017-03-24T11:47:38 < ReadError> the whole indention thing is annoying
2017-03-24T11:47:42 < ReadError> w/ python 
2017-03-24T11:48:11 < zyp> what, you don't like indented code?
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2017-03-24T11:50:39 < zyp> anyway, style wise that file looks ok to me, apart from the aligned multiline shit, I'm not a fan of that
2017-03-24T11:51:21 < zyp> and it doesn't have spaces arounds =, that's too Laurenceb-ish for my taste
2017-03-24T11:53:12 < sync_> save them bytes!
2017-03-24T11:57:16 < Steffanx> I wonder if Laurenceb does tabs and not spaces for the same reason
2017-03-24T11:59:01 < Tectu> is Donghyouk a first name or last name? v_v
2017-03-24T11:59:22 < karlp> either
2017-03-24T11:59:34 < karlp> or possibly both, with a missing space
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2017-03-24T12:01:37 < Steffanx> Lb wrote it?
2017-03-24T12:02:20 < ReadError> zyp: nah i just dont like the requirement 
2017-03-24T12:02:42 < ReadError> braces seem to make things easier for me to read 
2017-03-24T12:03:07 < karlp> it's such an entirely non-issue when you're actually doing it.
2017-03-24T12:03:22 < karlp> but raised alllllll the time by people butthurt with "where's my braces at?!"
2017-03-24T12:03:28 < zyp> yeah
2017-03-24T12:03:52 < karlp> only style problems in that python code are that they can't make up their mind whether they want global constants, or class based enum constants.
2017-03-24T12:03:54 < ReadError> eh it still beats perl
2017-03-24T12:03:59 < zyp> I also turned down python due to the unusual syntax the first couple of times I looked at it
2017-03-24T12:04:09 < karlp> the type hinting makes it look a bit odd for python too.
2017-03-24T12:04:12 < ReadError> Go seems like python with braces sorta
2017-03-24T12:04:13 < Tectu> lol karlp 
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2017-03-24T12:05:01 < zyp> ReadError, in a way, yeah
2017-03-24T12:05:24 < zyp> to me, go looks like a more cumbersome and inflexible python
2017-03-24T12:05:33 < ReadError> def traverse_ul_dir(dirs: list, directory: str, parent_id: str, overwr: bool, force: bool,
2017-03-24T12:05:33 < ReadError>                     dedup: bool, rsf: bool, exclude: list, exclude_paths: list, jobs: list) -> int:
2017-03-24T12:05:33 < ReadError>     """Duplicates local directory structure."""
2017-03-24T12:05:40 < ReadError> stuff like this doesnt sit right with me
2017-03-24T12:06:00 < ReadError> 3 sets of quotes ??
2017-03-24T12:06:03 < zyp> what part of it? I don't like the way the second line is aligned there
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2017-03-24T12:06:19 < zyp> triple-quotes are multiline strings
2017-03-24T12:06:28 < zyp> single-quoted strings are only single line
2017-03-24T12:06:31 < dongs> this just looks like poop
2017-03-24T12:06:36 < dongs> everywhre
2017-03-24T12:06:37 < ReadError> https://github.com/ofir123/acd_cli/blob/4064d439cb1be662cd0f48e1cc2f239d07ca5fe9/acd_cli.py#L462-L464
2017-03-24T12:06:40 < ReadError> just looks odd
2017-03-24T12:06:41 < dongs> i cant exactly pin down WHAT is wrong with it, but it is
2017-03-24T12:08:06 < zyp> I don't think python's built in docstring convention is any worse than all the conventions for putting docstrings in comments before the function
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2017-03-24T12:27:06 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOW5vY0c3NG81QXc?usp=sharing practical hack of the day - usb charger for a trimmer
2017-03-24T12:39:09 < PeterM>  kaks i did a similar thing
2017-03-24T12:39:18 < dongs> why the fuck do you even need to charge it
2017-03-24T12:39:24 < dongs> i have one that goes directly to AC line
2017-03-24T12:39:31 < dongs> incidentally its the only one that can properly cut shit
2017-03-24T12:39:35 < PeterM> dongs im not keen on an-hero
2017-03-24T12:39:48 < dongs> those weak as fuck battery powered shits cant cut worth a crap
2017-03-24T12:40:03 < dongs> i usually dont shave for like a month so when I do, the shit needs to work
2017-03-24T12:40:46 < PeterM> i trim weekly because i grow a beard like mad
2017-03-24T12:41:01 < PeterM> i leave it around 3-week growth
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2017-03-24T12:41:40 < PeterM> i swapped the shitty nimh pack in it for a 18350 lipo, fixed the lack of balls problem
2017-03-24T12:41:41 < kakimir> dongs: that why I have one with lipo
2017-03-24T12:42:32 < kakimir> it has never let me down
2017-03-24T12:43:04 < kakimir> but once I think the charger was not properly connected and I had empty battery when I needed it
2017-03-24T12:43:15 < kakimir> and left charger home
2017-03-24T12:43:27 < kakimir> thus the inspiration for this
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2017-03-24T12:44:36 < PeterM> but yeah, im not keen on ac trimmers, on jappu 100v mains it probably isnt as scary but wet beard hair and 240v worries me, i mean, i dont know how well chinaman has put together shittty trimmer
2017-03-24T12:44:56 < kakimir> lipo trimmer usually works just fine after months of storage
2017-03-24T12:45:12 < kakimir> and even half the battery gets the job done
2017-03-24T12:45:19 < karlp> man, my shaver has a shelf life of like minutes after the charging's done.
2017-03-24T12:45:31 < karlp> have been meaning to put a newer lipo in instead.
2017-03-24T12:45:44 < karlp> charge over night, get one shave, _maybe_ one more.
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2017-03-24T12:46:43 < kakimir> PeterM: just don't hold your hand on grounded sink or such
2017-03-24T12:47:14 < kakimir> karlp: just throw a cell in there with PCM
2017-03-24T12:48:07 < dongs> PeterM: i have a high quality american one, so i think its legit
2017-03-24T12:50:12 < PeterM> dongs thats legit then
2017-03-24T12:50:39 < PeterM> karlp there are some 18350s that are 900mah, and a few amps
2017-03-24T12:51:16 < dongs> https://barber-and-beauty.andis.com/corded-trimmers somethin from here i forgot which model
2017-03-24T12:52:05 < dongs> and all made in AMERICA
2017-03-24T12:52:50 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
2017-03-24T12:53:04 < dongs> unfunny python
2017-03-24T12:53:09 < dongs> monty python is about as funny as python the language
2017-03-24T12:53:31 < jadew> some parts are quite cringe worthy, but that song is great
2017-03-24T12:54:22 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNFZvu5Q9u0 this video sold me the trimmer I have
2017-03-24T12:55:08 < kakimir> not sure if the blade material is the best or can the blade be sharpened
2017-03-24T12:55:26 < kakimir> it pulls my beard sometimes
2017-03-24T12:55:53 < kakimir> came with oil bottle that leaked all over the shit in the bag
2017-03-24T12:56:25 < kakimir> should oil it too but can't bother to do that but every now and then
2017-03-24T12:57:26 < PeterM> kakimir that guys glasses look liek they're squeezing his head lol
2017-03-24T12:57:27 < jadew> why don't you shave like a man?
2017-03-24T12:57:36 < PeterM> like his entire head goes in at the side
2017-03-24T12:57:43 < kakimir> jadew: with a knife?
2017-03-24T12:57:51 < jadew> kakimir, fully
2017-03-24T12:58:03 < jadew> I shave when it starts itching
2017-03-24T12:58:15 < jadew> same goes for my hair, I cut it when it gets in my eyes
2017-03-24T12:58:17 < kakimir> you have like cycles of beard?
2017-03-24T12:58:30 < kakimir> and shaved?
2017-03-24T12:58:47 < jadew> why cycles?
2017-03-24T12:58:50 < jadew> *what
2017-03-24T12:58:58 < kakimir> what do you mean fully?
2017-03-24T12:59:07 < jadew> I mean not with a trimmer
2017-03-24T12:59:10 < jadew> just use a razor
2017-03-24T12:59:33 < PeterM> i grow my bear until my trimmer + comb starts trimmign it, then i trim it weekly, and i shave the rest of my face with a safety razor
2017-03-24T13:00:27 < jadew> too much hassle
2017-03-24T13:00:50 < PeterM> nah, less hassel than shaving daily alkl face wiht a razor
2017-03-24T13:00:50 < jadew> I used to do that too, when I cared how I looked
2017-03-24T13:00:54 < kakimir> I only outline with trimmer and then take out ones standing out and done
2017-03-24T13:01:21 < jadew> PeterM, I shave once/twice per week
2017-03-24T13:01:37 < jadew> and cut my hair ~ twice/year
2017-03-24T13:01:40 < kakimir> I go >
2017-03-24T13:01:50 < jadew> same principle, when it bothers me
2017-03-24T13:02:01 < PeterM> i havent cut my hair for 18+months
2017-03-24T13:02:02 < dongs> yeah i dont bother with the shaving part
2017-03-24T13:02:07 < dongs> just run the trimmer through the shit
2017-03-24T13:02:12 < dongs> good neough
2017-03-24T13:02:40 < jadew> maybe I'm weird then, I can't stand having a beard
2017-03-24T13:02:43 < jadew> it's itching me
2017-03-24T13:03:02 < PeterM> if you dont let it get long enough it will be itchy
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2017-03-24T13:03:29 < PeterM> but if you let it get long, then trim it to size, and keep trimming it it wont itchy
2017-03-24T13:04:00 < jadew> I never had a long beard, but challenge accepted!
2017-03-24T13:05:03 < PeterM> during winter i someitmes go full hobo and dont shave for 3 months, but trim *occasionally*
2017-03-24T13:05:49 < jadew> I'll nail the hobo look
2017-03-24T13:06:01 < jadew> I look like a hobo even when I'm shaved lol
2017-03-24T13:06:04 < PeterM> usually i nail the "heavy metal dude" look
2017-03-24T13:08:12 < jadew> man... I added some ads on a site I own and from 100 clicks I got 0 leads so far
2017-03-24T13:09:21 < jadew> I'd earn $2 from a lead
2017-03-24T13:09:48 < jadew> and those 100 clicks came from 30k views
2017-03-24T13:10:01 < jadew> I think I'm getting screwed
2017-03-24T13:11:17 < dongs> lol ads
2017-03-24T13:12:30 < jadew> I think I'll switch to adsense or something
2017-03-24T13:12:38 < jadew> dongs, what's wrong with ads?
2017-03-24T13:12:47 < dongs> did you know everyone on this channel except me actively blocks ads
2017-03-24T13:12:50 < dongs> by using some junk
2017-03-24T13:13:00 < dongs> jadew: nothing at all, i even watch youtube ads most of the time
2017-03-24T13:13:04 < dongs> since they generally show something interesting
2017-03-24T13:13:23 < dongs> im just saying typical irc nerrds think they should block them
2017-03-24T13:13:35 < jadew> these ads can't be blocked
2017-03-24T13:13:44 < jadew> I embedded them in the page
2017-03-24T13:14:06 < jadew> so they get full exposure
2017-03-24T13:14:26 < jadew> I even thought it would be a good audience
2017-03-24T13:14:35 < jadew> this is the site: http://ipecho.net/
2017-03-24T13:14:47 < jadew> VPN ads would kind of make sense for such a site, no?
2017-03-24T13:15:20 < jadew> before you ask, I made it for this: http://ipecho.net/developers
2017-03-24T13:15:37 < jadew> but it's still getting a bit of traffic on the home page too
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2017-03-24T13:16:44 < jadew> getting millions of requests per day from various programs
2017-03-24T13:17:12 < jadew> haven't checked how many, but about 2 years ago there were about 5 million requests per day
2017-03-24T13:17:27 < jadew> can't monetize those tho
2017-03-24T13:22:47 < Steffanx> Lol yeah all those car ads are amazing dongs
2017-03-24T13:23:11 < Steffanx> Maybe jappie ads are good. But dutch ones suck arse.
2017-03-24T13:23:46 < Steffanx> And my attention span is < 5 seconds. 
2017-03-24T13:27:02 < jadew> I used to have a colleague in highschool who would read all the spam he got
2017-03-24T13:27:24 < jadew> he thought those people are e-mailing to him personally
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2017-03-24T13:36:47 < karlp> stroopwafel: fucking hell those optos burn some power
2017-03-24T13:37:19 < karlp> kakimir: what's PCM?
2017-03-24T13:37:44 < karlp> PeterM: yeah, it's one of the "should be easy" projects, but it's also not a huge inconvenience either.
2017-03-24T13:37:50 < Steffanx>  protection circuit module
2017-03-24T13:38:05 < Steffanx> oh, im not kakimir, sorry.
2017-03-24T13:38:44 < karlp> dongs knows the true nordic shaving style: 11:02 < dongs> yeah i dont bother with the shaving part
2017-03-24T13:38:47 < karlp> 11:02 < dongs> just run the trimmer through the shit
2017-03-24T13:39:58 < karlp> Steffanx: you're good enough a kakmir for me right now :)
2017-03-24T13:40:22 < karlp> dongs: re your rs485, that echo detection is why you sometimes _don't_ wire DE/_RE together.
2017-03-24T13:40:37 < karlp> you leave RE always on, so you can hear yourself speak.
2017-03-24T13:40:57 < karlp> but you can also just solve it all in protocol layer to not talk.
2017-03-24T13:41:08 < karlp> hard part is the "who starts" second guessing game :)
2017-03-24T13:42:36 < zyp> echo detection?
2017-03-24T13:42:39 < zyp> i.e. anticollision?
2017-03-24T13:45:35 < karlp> yeah, leaving receiver always enabled, whenever you send, check that what you heard yourself say was what you sent.  if not, collision, 
2017-03-24T13:45:48 < karlp> still needs protocol help to know what to do,
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2017-03-24T14:14:28 < sync_> karlp: that's interesting
2017-03-24T14:14:35 < sync_> I never thought about that
2017-03-24T14:15:24 < karlp> yeah, I was all, "huh" when I first saw it.
2017-03-24T14:15:33 < karlp> read about it on some military multi master shit
2017-03-24T14:15:41 < karlp> finally understood why you had separate pins.
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2017-03-24T14:16:36 < sync_> well, it doesn't have to be .mil
2017-03-24T14:16:40 < sync_> but that is generally useful
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2017-03-24T14:16:46 < zyp> but rs485 is actively driven both high and low, how does that cope with collisions?
2017-03-24T14:17:29 < zyp> I mean, compare to CAN which is pretty similar, but where the entire bus is defined as wired-AND
2017-03-24T14:17:39 < zyp> so only 0 is driven, 1 is not
2017-03-24T14:21:23 < sync_> hmm, true, both states are driven
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2017-03-24T14:22:00 < zyp> yeah, that's the main difference between RS485 transceivers and CAN transceivers
2017-03-24T14:22:26 < karlp> sync_: just meant it was a mil application that I'd seen it first.
2017-03-24T14:23:03 < karlp> you get garbage if there's multiple drivers, can gives you a predictable result, that's not yours, 
2017-03-24T14:24:20 < sync_> well
2017-03-24T14:24:34 < sync_> if you have a long line with considerable resistance each driver wins on his side
2017-03-24T14:24:44 < sync_> which might suck
2017-03-24T14:26:52 < karlp> I don't think people are doing multi master stuff in those environments.
2017-03-24T14:26:54 < karlp> they're using modbus :)
2017-03-24T14:28:10 < dongs> dongsbus
2017-03-24T14:28:26 < sync_> arinc429 comes to mind
2017-03-24T14:28:55 < dongs> teledildonics protocol
2017-03-24T14:29:01 < sync_> or milstd1553
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2017-03-24T14:53:32 < karlp> am I reading the wiki on aric429right that they just leave things like the collisions to higher layers?
2017-03-24T14:54:39 < karlp> oh no, they just exclude the possibility alltogether: A single wire pair is limited to one transmitter and no more than 20 receivers
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2017-03-24T14:55:44 < dongs> lol
2017-03-24T14:56:34 < karlp> heh, mil1533 also has a single ruling bus controller to handle coordination and telling each remote terminal when it can talk.
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2017-03-24T15:03:29 < Steffanx> installed some open sores. Wish i never had.
2017-03-24T15:06:31 < dongs> i bet
2017-03-24T15:06:38 < dongs> was it libwinusb?
2017-03-24T15:06:42 < dongs> or wahtever the fuckits called
2017-03-24T15:06:52 < dongs> libusb32
2017-03-24T15:07:08 < Steffanx> no, some ip camera tool
2017-03-24T15:07:15 < Steffanx> viewer
2017-03-24T15:07:19 < dongs> haha
2017-03-24T15:07:28 < dongs> probably a shitty frontend to ffmpeg + avformat or wahtever
2017-03-24T15:07:28 < dongs> ugh
2017-03-24T15:07:31 < dongs> so much of that shit  around
2017-03-24T15:07:38 < dongs> all aids
2017-03-24T15:07:49 < Steffanx> motion/motioneye
2017-03-24T15:07:59 < Steffanx> it looked nice, but .. meh.
2017-03-24T15:08:01 < dongs> heh wasnt that shit lunix only
2017-03-24T15:08:10 < Steffanx> probably.
2017-03-24T15:09:55 < Steffanx> "I'm sorry but to me this works just fine" best developer comment.
2017-03-24T15:10:40 < dongs> worksonmymachine.pro
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2017-03-24T15:11:09 < Steffanx> oh lol it's real
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2017-03-24T15:11:37 < dongs> ya
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2017-03-24T15:18:32 < jadew> I signed up for a tektronix webinar, 5 minutes later I got a call from a distributor hehe
2017-03-24T15:19:04 < Steffanx> :)
2017-03-24T15:22:00 < jadew> I know the distributor tho, they're more expensive than farnell
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2017-03-24T16:00:48 < Steffanx> :)
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2017-03-24T16:04:05 < karlp> goddamn crystal footprint
2017-03-24T16:04:15 < dongs> sup
2017-03-24T16:04:17 < karlp> fucked it up with the bottom view instead of just copying the other footprints.
2017-03-24T16:04:27 < dongs> so now its reversed?
2017-03-24T16:04:32 < dongs> is it 3225 type thing?
2017-03-24T16:04:33 < karlp> this is what I get for being all modern and moving to 3225 and making new footprints myself
2017-03-24T16:04:42 < karlp> yeah, my fuckup
2017-03-24T16:04:44 < dongs> there are actually inverted  versions of those crystals
2017-03-24T16:04:46 < dongs> but much elss common
2017-03-24T16:04:58 < dongs> i was able to get those when i fucked up a design and made like 300 boards
2017-03-24T16:05:18 < karlp> nah, this was just the datasheet had bottom and top view of the same part, and I was looking at the bottom view, as it "looked like pads"
2017-03-24T16:05:26 < dongs> right
2017-03-24T16:05:27 < karlp> sok, just 5 proto boards
2017-03-24T16:05:37 < dongs> just solder a HC49 in there
2017-03-24T16:05:42 < dongs> to pads w/bent pins
2017-03-24T16:05:43 < karlp> will try and tom66 it up to finish verifying the rest of it.
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2017-03-24T16:35:30 < dongs> oh fucking wow
2017-03-24T16:35:35 < dongs> jewgle maps on assdroid doesnt support kml files
2017-03-24T16:35:37 < dongs> ............ ?
2017-03-24T16:35:40 < dongs> what teh fuck
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2017-03-24T16:39:34 < Steffanx> Install google earth? 
2017-03-24T16:40:22 < dongs> thats what ima bout to try
2017-03-24T16:40:58 < dongs> ok
2017-03-24T16:41:01 < dongs> earth shows it
2017-03-24T16:41:02 < dongs> but in a cunty way
2017-03-24T16:41:22 < Steffanx> Time to get your java skills to work and write a real viewer.
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2017-03-24T16:43:48 < dongs> does earth only show earth and not regular map?
2017-03-24T16:43:48 < dongs> damn
2017-03-24T16:43:50 < dongs> this is useless.
2017-03-24T16:43:59 < dongs> i might as well jsut take fucking screenshots of the pages i want 
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2017-03-24T16:44:04 < dongs> since they show correct shit
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2017-03-24T17:22:35 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqovFp5HOU
2017-03-24T17:25:28 < karlp> here we go, upside down: http://imgur.com/a/aDSmL
2017-03-24T17:26:01 < dongs> jesus, thatsa awful
2017-03-24T17:26:06 < zyp> the fuck is wrong with your solder
2017-03-24T17:26:09 < zyp> wrong temp?
2017-03-24T17:26:31 < dongs> maybe he mixed it up with plubmers flux
2017-03-24T17:26:47 < jadew> looks like shitty solder paste
2017-03-24T17:26:48 < karlp> yah mon.
2017-03-24T17:26:53 < karlp> very very old paste,
2017-03-24T17:26:59 < karlp> and way too much, and then wicked off again.
2017-03-24T17:27:03 < Rickta59> was there a minor earth tremor when you placed the chip?
2017-03-24T17:27:20 < dongs> i spot chinapcb silk
2017-03-24T17:27:35 < karlp> elecrow
2017-03-24T17:27:44 < karlp> yeah, silk's kinda ordinary
2017-03-24T17:28:06 < karlp> zyp: re temp, could be. this was the first time I've tried using hot air to mount it all
2017-03-24T17:28:31 < karlp> I don't remember it looking as shit when I had it in the toaster oven last time.
2017-03-24T17:28:31 < jadew> karlp, is it pb free?
2017-03-24T17:28:43 < karlp> can't remember
2017-03-24T17:28:43 < dongs> karlp: so what did you do, gobbled up paste aroudn those wires and heated it?
2017-03-24T17:29:03 < dongs> or are those blobs of shit = melted solder from like, solder wire
2017-03-24T17:29:20 < karlp> the big blobs are just from solder wire hand soldering the crystal upside down.
2017-03-24T17:29:34 < karlp> the shitty residue is probably just the old paste.
2017-03-24T17:31:29 < Laurenceb> ur shitty residue
2017-03-24T17:33:30 < karlp> Laurenceb, always with the best comments ;)
2017-03-24T17:34:15 < Laurenceb> shitty, residue, 2020
2017-03-24T17:39:10 < BrainDamage> just get a better comeback
2017-03-24T17:39:31 < BrainDamage> eg. spotted laurenceb learning to stick shift: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzp0DAtYPGE
2017-03-24T17:40:33 < Laurenceb> lul accurate
2017-03-24T17:42:00 < sync_> ALL the torques
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2017-03-24T17:54:50 < karlp> hrm, blocking handler handling vector 54.
2017-03-24T17:54:56 < karlp> no vector 54 on cat 1 L1 devices.
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2017-03-24T18:42:14 < karlp> oh, doh, can't count.  -16 for system exceptions, not -8
2017-03-24T18:49:27 < tcurdt> I am using a STM32F103C8 and I am wondering how I could do some logging.
2017-03-24T18:49:32 < tcurdt> Could I use the stlink to create some kind of a logging console through that?
2017-03-24T18:51:28 < zyp> sure, there's a few different approaches depending on what you want/need to do
2017-03-24T18:52:33 < zyp> tcurdt, so, to start off, what sort of stuff will you be logging?
2017-03-24T18:53:51 < emeb> lumber
2017-03-24T18:54:05 < tcurdt> zyp right now I am working on a schematic and I want to send some data points to the machine to display them
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2017-03-24T18:54:23 < tcurdt> but general state logging would be nice too
2017-03-24T18:55:12 < zyp> well, the rate you'd be logging at is an important factor
2017-03-24T18:55:56 < zyp> hardware-wise semihosting is the simplest option, it just does a breakpoint that the debugger intercepts, collecting the data and resuming
2017-03-24T18:56:14 < tcurdt> for now I'd say max 2 logs per second
2017-03-24T18:56:27 < tcurdt> more like 1 per second or less
2017-03-24T18:57:03 < zyp> but because of the breakpoint mechanism, it pauses the cpu until the debugger have processed it, which makes it unsuitable for some applications
2017-03-24T18:57:23 < zyp> I forgot how long that typically takes, maybe it were on the order of milliseconds
2017-03-24T18:57:58 < tcurdt> "semihosting" interesting
2017-03-24T18:57:59 < zyp> if your application tolerates that fine, that's an easy option
2017-03-24T18:58:05 < tcurdt> ok
2017-03-24T18:58:26 < zyp> otherwise there's the classic uart printing
2017-03-24T18:58:45 < zyp> newer discovery boards have uart on the stlink that could be used for that purpose
2017-03-24T18:58:52 < Thorn> which everybody uses
2017-03-24T18:58:53 < tcurdt> that's what I had in mind in first place
2017-03-24T18:59:10 < zyp> and then there's SWO trace, which can be used in a similar way
2017-03-24T18:59:39 < Thorn> btw relevant wisdom from a guru https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdfHzpEKtZQ
2017-03-24T19:00:06 < Thorn> you'll never think of this if you're a programmer lol
2017-03-24T19:00:49 < zyp> I've done something similar
2017-03-24T19:02:10 < englishman> dongs: lil dongs is in the kitty hospital :'
2017-03-24T19:02:13 < englishman> :'(
2017-03-24T19:02:50 < Thorn> what happened
2017-03-24T19:03:00 < englishman> penis crystals
2017-03-24T19:03:03 < tcurdt> haha - reading the log with the rigol ... that's a cool idea :)
2017-03-24T19:05:48 < zyp> when I were dicking around with ESC firmware, I were outputting the back-EMF samples through an uart so I could look at them along with the FET control signals
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2017-03-24T19:14:07 < tcurdt> who is setting the breakpoints for "semihosting"?
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2017-03-24T19:15:18 < tcurdt> is this done at compile time to creating instruction that yields into the debugger?
2017-03-24T19:16:05 < zyp> yes
2017-03-24T19:16:18 < zyp> bkpt 0xab
2017-03-24T19:17:11 < tcurdt> ok ... and then the debugger gets the log string across it's uart connection to the hostmachine
2017-03-24T19:17:24 < zyp> not uart, debugger connection
2017-03-24T19:17:41 < tcurdt> oh ... I thought that was also a uart connection
2017-03-24T19:17:52 < zyp> no, goes over the debugger link
2017-03-24T19:17:55 < zyp> i.e. SWD
2017-03-24T19:18:07 < zyp> (or JTAG if that's what you use)
2017-03-24T19:19:11 < tcurdt> I have a stlinkv2 and use that ... don't think that uses JTAG ... sorry, no embedded or electrical engineer on this end :)
2017-03-24T19:19:39 < Thorn> it definitely supports jtag
2017-03-24T19:20:21 < Thorn> it's just you use swd with cortex-m most of the time (and cortex-m0 can only use swd)
2017-03-24T19:22:37 < tcurdt> I have SWDIO connected - so I guess SWD it is :)
2017-03-24T19:23:49 < Thorn> that pin is also used for jtag as TMS
2017-03-24T19:25:50 < tcurdt> Thorn hm ... how does one select JTAG vs SWD then?
2017-03-24T19:26:10 < tcurdt> btw: I have it connected to the 4 pins on this board http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/~4EAAOSwB09YQwpq/s-l1600.jpg
2017-03-24T19:28:20 < tcurdt> "a specific sequence on the TMS pin is used to switch between JTAG-DP and SW-DP" says the datasheet
2017-03-24T19:28:57 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgtc.com/2S97Ao3.png
2017-03-24T19:29:22 < zyp> tcurdt, you don't really have to worry about that
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2017-03-24T19:31:33 < Thorn> you select it in software. swd should be the default 
2017-03-24T19:33:59 < Thorn> (in your PC software that connects to the st-link that is, such as openocd)
2017-03-24T19:36:13 < tcurdt> ah .. ok
2017-03-24T19:36:39 < tcurdt> so far I only used the st-flash to upload the binaries
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2017-03-24T19:38:12 < tcurdt> Is SWV (Serial Wire Viewer) yet another thing? Or is that just a software using SWD/JTAG to get to the data?
2017-03-24T19:38:28 < zyp> that's the SWO trace thing I mentioned before
2017-03-24T19:38:56 < zyp> idk why they came up with two names for it, but SWO = SWV
2017-03-24T19:39:24 < tcurdt> ah ok
2017-03-24T19:39:31 < Thorn> swo is a signal name afaik
2017-03-24T19:39:33 < zyp> and that's a separate pin, i.e. the SWO pin
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2017-03-24T19:39:53 < zyp> it's only available in SWD mode, in JTAG mode that pin is used for TDO
2017-03-24T19:40:17 < zyp> it doesn't look like it's broken out on your board though
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2017-03-24T19:41:18 < Thorn> what happened to cmsis-dap btw? any popular products that support it?
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2017-03-24T19:41:49 < tcurdt> This is here seems to have a good introduction https://mcuoneclipse.com/2016/10/17/tutorial-using-single-wire-output-swo-with-arm-cortex-m-and-eclipse/
2017-03-24T19:43:34 < zyp> Thorn, doesn't the nucleos support it?
2017-03-24T19:43:51 < zyp> IIRC the mbed world is based on that now
2017-03-24T19:44:01 < zyp> or rather, my understanding is
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2017-03-24T19:54:09 < Thorn> oh ok not using those
2017-03-24T19:54:46 < upgrdman> anyone know of a butane soldering iron that is thin? seems like most are 40mm wide so you feel like you grabbing sausage
2017-03-24T19:55:38 < upgrdman> harbor freight has a pencil torch thats ~10mm thick. wish butane irons were that size
2017-03-24T20:01:26 < sync_> weller pyropen?
2017-03-24T20:01:34 < sync_> it is not 40mm but still not really small
2017-03-24T20:01:36 < sync_> works th
2017-03-24T20:01:38 < sync_> o
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2017-03-24T20:20:41 < englishman> fuck you have to register to download atmel shit on microship.com now too
2017-03-24T20:20:55 < Steffanx> HAH.
2017-03-24T20:21:22 < Steffanx> We need a bot here. A password bot.
2017-03-24T20:23:57 < englishman> !login microchip.com
2017-03-24T20:23:58 < englishman> etc
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2017-03-24T20:25:40 < Thorn> just register the same user with same password everywhere
2017-03-24T20:25:50 < Thorn> like dongs/loldongs
2017-03-24T20:31:40 < Steffanx> but password requirements.
2017-03-24T20:32:15 < Thorn> 101dong$
2017-03-24T20:32:52 < Steffanx> Still the same thing :P
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2017-03-24T20:45:43 < englishman> anyone have j-link tools 4.42a installer
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2017-03-24T20:49:07 < englishman> hmm never mind not needed
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2017-03-24T21:38:10 < englishman> dongs: lildongs is out of surgery and doing ok
2017-03-24T21:38:40 < kakimir> balls removed?
2017-03-24T21:39:16 < Steffanx> What did you do to mr cat englishman ?
2017-03-24T21:40:20 < englishman> no he had a blocked urethrea
2017-03-24T21:40:28 < englishman> very uncomfortable dong
2017-03-24T21:40:51 < Steffanx> Whops. Old cat?
2017-03-24T21:40:59 < englishman> <2y
2017-03-24T21:41:00 < upgrdman> what'd they do, massage it out
2017-03-24T21:41:02 < upgrdman> ?
2017-03-24T21:41:10 < englishman> cat-heder
2017-03-24T21:43:45 < upgrdman> so how could you tell something was wrong. cat scratching its dong a lot?
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2017-03-24T21:47:36 < englishman> yeah he was clearly fucked up
2017-03-24T21:48:01 < englishman> so rushed to the kitty hospital
2017-03-24T21:48:26 < Steffanx> poor kitty.
2017-03-24T21:50:44 < kakimir> well it looks one moment like nothing and next moment like it was dying
2017-03-24T21:58:49 < Steffanx> How's your heart condition kakimir?
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2017-03-24T22:10:08 < upgrdman> wow, micron is up >7% today
2017-03-24T22:10:10 < upgrdman> fuck yes
2017-03-24T22:10:28 < sync_> sell sell sell
2017-03-24T22:11:17 < upgrdman> ya trying to decide how muhc longer to wait. want to sell before the bubble pops of course
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2017-03-24T22:31:02 < kakimir> Steffanx: I think my rotten teeth causes it
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2017-03-24T22:44:30 < Steffanx> why dont you go to a dentist then kakimir?
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2017-03-24T22:51:59 < kakimir> because I'm a man
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2017-03-24T22:54:23 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-24T22:56:38 < kakimir> where is my sugar attack going atm. Steffanx ?
2017-03-24T22:56:53 < kakimir> shipment of sweet stroopwaffles
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2017-03-24T23:04:35 < Steffanx> in the stores kakimir
2017-03-24T23:05:21 < Steffanx> waiting for them to be on sale again, kakimir
2017-03-24T23:05:25 < kakimir> you betray me uncle Steffanx 
2017-03-24T23:06:03 < Steffanx> wut?
2017-03-24T23:06:39 < kakimir> by planning not to get any stroopwaffles for kaks
2017-03-24T23:07:30 < kakimir> lul jokes Steffanx 
2017-03-24T23:07:34 < kakimir> sauna>
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2017-03-24T23:09:38 < Steffanx> Enjo
2017-03-24T23:09:38 < Steffanx> y
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2017-03-24T23:12:28 < englishman> your damn stroops have been sitting in montreal since tuesday
2017-03-24T23:12:29 < englishman> wtf commiepost
2017-03-24T23:15:37 < Steffanx> beavers eating them
2017-03-24T23:16:17 < englishman> canadian thug http://i.imgur.com/9Z08wxA.jpg
2017-03-24T23:18:40 < Steffanx> No sunglasses, so cigaret. .. thug life?
2017-03-24T23:22:10 < Steffanx> *no*no
2017-03-24T23:23:17 < scrts> agree
2017-03-24T23:23:23 < scrts> f..ing NO
2017-03-24T23:23:36 < scrts> that bird also doesn't say lalalalala...
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2017-03-25T00:45:37 < Laurenceb_> achievement unlocked: used Tinder to recruit experiment participants
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2017-03-25T01:01:06 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, define "experiment"
2017-03-25T01:01:17 < upgrdman> "Will they choke on my hot load?"
2017-03-25T01:01:27 < Laurenceb_> they were lured to our basement lair where they got probed, so they pretty much got what they expected
2017-03-25T01:01:38 < ohsix> upgrdman: http://i.imgur.com/jlU3nPm.jpg
2017-03-25T01:02:06 < ohsix> made as discrete parts in solvespace olol, now i know how to assemble them and do bigger shits
2017-03-25T01:02:20 < ohsix> so i can stick the motor mount on anything, it's done
2017-03-25T01:02:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, nice. that looks like a sex toy though. one for the pink, one for the stink.
2017-03-25T01:02:34 < ohsix> ya
2017-03-25T01:03:02 < ohsix> i just needed a thing to put the motor mounts on, lets me hold onto it too, but i'm going to do a different frame
2017-03-25T01:03:29 < ohsix> lollin' how well it worked on first go tho
2017-03-25T01:04:10 < Steffanx> psychopath much Laurenceb_?
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2017-03-25T01:04:29 < Laurenceb_> nobody got hurt
2017-03-25T01:04:52 < Steffanx> physically..
2017-03-25T01:06:06 < Laurenceb_> crazy grrrl got us to look at her infected tooth
2017-03-25T01:06:10 < Laurenceb_> shit was nasty man
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2017-03-25T01:10:45 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-03-25T01:11:24 < Steffanx> Stars.
2017-03-25T01:11:33 < dongs> gonna start driving soon
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2017-03-25T01:12:00 < Steffanx> Gonna watch glowing radio active fish?
2017-03-25T01:12:10 < upgrdman> dongs, you should get some obnoxiously large vehicle in japan. like a Hummer or someshit.
2017-03-25T01:12:19 < dongs> i haev a pretty large one already
2017-03-25T01:12:26 < dongs> toyota alphard
2017-03-25T01:12:31 < dongs> its not ridiculously large but still
2017-03-25T01:12:42 < dongs> thats the one wehre tehy film most of those 'in car' jap pornos
2017-03-25T01:12:48 < dongs> cuz the back area is hueg
2017-03-25T01:12:53 < Steffanx> Have that many kids?
2017-03-25T01:13:12 < dongs> why indeed i do
2017-03-25T01:13:20 < upgrdman> hmm thats a weird looking minivan
2017-03-25T01:13:28 < upgrdman> such boxy
2017-03-25T01:13:32 < Steffanx> Weird looking? Its fucking ugly.
2017-03-25T01:13:40 < upgrdman> i was trying to be nice
2017-03-25T01:13:47 < dongs> haha
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2017-03-25T01:14:05 < Steffanx> The seats do look comfortable though.
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2017-03-25T01:16:05 < Steffanx> Do you have such huge arse car too upgrdman? Yankees are suppoed to have at least one pickup.
2017-03-25T01:16:28 < upgrdman> Steffanx, no. 2005 toyota celica.
2017-03-25T01:18:26 < ohsix> i gotta find a battery to use with this thing
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2017-03-25T01:19:06 < Steffanx> apparently i have googled that car before upgrdman :D
2017-03-25T01:19:19 < upgrdman> Steffanx, :)
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2017-03-25T01:20:18 < Steffanx> oh, it's until just now that i notice dongs said driving and not diving -_-
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2017-03-25T01:26:28 < englishman> dongs
2017-03-25T01:26:37 < englishman> the cat doctor said lil dongs dong is too lil
2017-03-25T01:27:38 < ohsix> hrpmh on the small size, like 1ah, lithium batteries are still p. heavy
2017-03-25T01:28:46 < upgrdman> speaking of lithium, for lithium aa's (NOT rechargeable, but primaries) anyone know how they compare to alkaline (capacity and self-discharge)
2017-03-25T01:28:55 < ohsix> when you use these shits do you just draw on the battery connections when you use them https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-Mini-MICRO-USB-1A-TP4056-Lithium-Battery-Module-Li-ion-Batteries-Charging-Charger-Board-Module/32615702908.html
2017-03-25T01:29:02 < upgrdman> like are they better in every way except price?
2017-03-25T01:29:09 < upgrdman> or a compromise
2017-03-25T01:29:10 < ohsix> probably
2017-03-25T01:29:15 < ohsix> get datasheets on one
2017-03-25T01:29:32 < ohsix> normal aa is like 1400mAh-2200mAh or some shit, get datasheet on them too
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2017-03-25T01:32:10 < ohsix> lul lithium charger boards are 15c
2017-03-25T01:33:09 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Electronics-5V-Micro-USB-1A-18650-Lithium-Battery-Charging-Board-With-Protection-Charger-Module-for/32500042672.html where's the inductor
2017-03-25T01:35:16 < ohsix> oh it isn't a boost converter, the mosfet on there is protection
2017-03-25T01:40:29 < ohsix> heh
2017-03-25T01:40:42 < ohsix> it is cheaper to get a battery in an mp3 player you throw away, than by themselves
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2017-03-25T01:51:18 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CEL-Ship-type-USB-MP3-Player-Support-Micro-SD-TF-Card-Music-Media-NOV24/32546576193.html cheaper to get in a boat mp3 player
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2017-03-25T02:43:22 < ohsix> wut upgrdman
2017-03-25T02:44:07 < ohsix> for later: upgrdman: the effective wheel size changes with the pitch of the body, like a little gear box, the smallest effective radius favors being upright
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2017-03-25T02:45:42 < ohsix> - upgrdman: the foam/plastic stuff the fans are made of is really grippy, here's the main chord/wear line thing http://i.imgur.com/XNkKmOF.jpg
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2017-03-25T03:16:14 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/nsUAAzu.jpg
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2017-03-25T03:57:16 < branjb> do they make cables on some kind of a hinge/bezel that you can rotate without the cord rotating?
2017-03-25T03:57:55 < Emil> Anyone know of a good single file no dependency ChaCha20-Poly1305 lib?
2017-03-25T03:58:26 < Emil> AEAD
2017-03-25T04:00:39 < branjb> something like this: https://www.adafruit.com/products/736?gclid=CjwKEAjwh9PGBRCfso2n3ODgvUcSJAAhpW5ofwksstYxaNIk4ZHILSN14U6Cq-Xvyv-a9X0theBy0RoCkgTw_wcB
2017-03-25T04:00:48 < branjb> but for commercial use
2017-03-25T04:01:43 < englishman> a slip ring branjb ?
2017-03-25T04:01:45 < Thorn> if you google slip ring you should find lots of options
2017-03-25T04:01:56 < branjb> i just wasn't sure what they were called
2017-03-25T04:02:00 < Laurenceb_>  Venezuelan Developers Are Using Bitcoin, Rare Pepe Trading Cards To Fight Against a Dismal Economy
2017-03-25T04:02:01 < branjb> is slip ring the name of rotating wires?
2017-03-25T04:02:05 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-03-25T04:02:07 < englishman> thats why you ask ##stm32 the pro chan for pros
2017-03-25T04:03:01 < branjb> haha
2017-03-25T04:06:59 < upgrdman> typical china road   https://gfycat.com/NippyExcitableHornbill
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2017-03-25T04:10:49 < branjb> I love how it seems common enough that the guy had the foresight to slow down and swerve
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2017-03-25T04:48:42 < Kitlith> What is the behavior of the SWD port when protection level 2 is enabled? I asked in here yesterday, but was told to ask again when it was more likely for the people who had experimented with that were on.
2017-03-25T04:53:49 < ReadError> Laurenceb: 
2017-03-25T04:53:56 < ReadError> link to 8ch raid
2017-03-25T04:53:59 < ReadError> on the LRH
2017-03-25T04:54:08 < ReadError> these guys cant even come correct
2017-03-25T04:54:18 < ReadError> oh fag quit
2017-03-25T04:55:12 < englishman> ReadError: didnt you dick with some level2
2017-03-25T04:55:40 < ReadError> i brix'd one dicking with that
2017-03-25T04:56:15 < englishman> so swd does nothing at all? as if the pins start with highZ
2017-03-25T04:56:17 < ReadError> theres 1 combo of fuses that basically fucks it up such that it cant be erased or anything
2017-03-25T04:56:26 < jadew> upgrdman, looks better than their walls: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=874_1459135191
2017-03-25T05:01:35 < upgrdman> jadew, ya that looks about right. the walls in the offices i had been to in cn were almost that bad near the windows
2017-03-25T05:01:47 < upgrdman> cracking, and easy to chip away with your finger
2017-03-25T05:02:15 < upgrdman> you'd think the chinese would know how to make a great wall, but they don't
2017-03-25T05:03:30 < englishman> dongs check out what the opensores pros have come up with http://www.robotdigg.com/product/1105/Motorized-electric-tape-feeder-8mm-for-OpenPnP
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2017-03-25T05:22:22 < stroopwafel> gooday sport
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2017-03-25T05:27:32 < stm32> http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/lol.aspx?PageID=238&NID=111149&NewsCatID=341
2017-03-25T05:48:44 < emeb_mac> yay turkey
2017-03-25T06:11:25 < Kitlith> ReadError, How do the pins behave? For example, if you try to connect using openocd, what does it say?
2017-03-25T06:12:23 < ReadError> I dont remember, i just tossed it to the side and kept it moving 
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2017-03-25T07:17:31 < ohsix> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1LrE6PFXXXXXWXFXXq6xXFXXX3.jpg lul
2017-03-25T07:17:50 < ohsix> upgrdman: one of the motors was chowdered, tabled until i get more or different ones
2017-03-25T07:18:14 < ohsix> also 17:44 < ohsix> for later: upgrdman: the effective wheel size changes with the pitch of the body, like a little gear box, the smallest effective radius favors being upright
2017-03-25T07:18:14 < ohsix> 17:45 < ohsix> - upgrdman: the foam/plastic stuff the fans are made of is really grippy, here's the main chord/wear line thing http://i.imgur.com/XNkKmOF.jpg
2017-03-25T07:19:37 < upgrdman> interesting
2017-03-25T07:22:30 < ohsix> yea, not bad 2btru
2017-03-25T07:23:31 < ohsix> with just the weight of the motors on that 3d printed thing, it put quite a bit of tangential force out
2017-03-25T07:23:56 < ohsix> way more than suggested by trying to just stall the motor with a finger
2017-03-25T07:24:26 < ohsix> need to find other wheel options so i can get different types of motors
2017-03-25T07:25:31 < ohsix> Emil: re chacha, aren't initial implementations usually freestanding?
2017-03-25T07:26:17 < ohsix> Kitlith: swd is disabled at level 2, and the boot pins
2017-03-25T07:27:02 < Kitlith> ohsix, Yes. How do they *behave*.
2017-03-25T07:27:39 < ohsix> you mean do they pull up or down? anything but hi-z seems like a no-no
2017-03-25T07:27:43 < Kitlith> How can I tell if I just did a bad soldering job or I've done something wrong as opposed to it being level2 protected?
2017-03-25T07:27:52 < Kitlith> hi-z?
2017-03-25T07:28:17 < ohsix> the swd programmer can still talk to the chip under reset if not lvl2
2017-03-25T07:28:33 < englishman> what chip? can you hotair it off and replace it with an identical new chip
2017-03-25T07:28:45 < Kitlith> englishman, the point would be to dump the firmware.
2017-03-25T07:29:01 < Kitlith> for the purpose of documenting undocumented commands.
2017-03-25T07:29:01 < englishman> yea o6 but hes asking about some possibly locked thing hes trying to clone
2017-03-25T07:29:06 < englishman> right
2017-03-25T07:29:11 < englishman> but this would help you tell the difference
2017-03-25T07:29:44 < englishman> if its for sure lvl2, then off to china it goes for fib + readout
2017-03-25T07:30:33 < Kitlith> basicly: I have a board I soldered to nice convienent SWD points. OpenOCD + gpio bitbang on my raspberry pi didn't like it, but there are plenty of possibilities as to why it didn't work, the simplest being that I did it wrong.
2017-03-25T07:30:59 < Kitlith> so, I'm checking the behavior to make sure what I've got is sane.
2017-03-25T07:31:07 < ohsix> englishman: ah
2017-03-25T07:31:22 < ohsix> didn't know that and 'bad soldering' -> ????
2017-03-25T07:31:48  * Kitlith isn't very experienced with soldering.
2017-03-25T07:32:00 < ohsix> there's quite a bit of rom in the stm32s, i wonder if anyone has done any power glitching
2017-03-25T07:32:21 < ohsix> part of lvl2 and boot pins not working is that some (all?) of that rom is jumped over
2017-03-25T07:32:34 < ohsix> i think it is all but don't really remember
2017-03-25T07:33:09 < ohsix> boot pin handling is rom stuff
2017-03-25T07:33:40 < Kitlith> scanlime once did power glitching during the USB descriptor handler to dump firmware.
2017-03-25T07:34:21 < Kitlith> in any case though, that's why I was wondering. I should set the Pi back up to get exact descriptions of the behavior.
2017-03-25T07:34:26 < ohsix> i know
2017-03-25T07:34:51 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul sinkhole, you could see bus hit it p. hard, and the concave bit, i'd swerve
2017-03-25T07:35:27 < ohsix> Kitlith: it's a good attack since descriptor is just read out of rom / isn't very smart or robust
2017-03-25T07:35:28 < upgrdman> :)
2017-03-25T07:36:12 < Kitlith> So, you say that swd can talk while reset is asserted on protection level 1? Can you continue to talk after instructions start being executed, or is it disabled afterwards?
2017-03-25T07:36:22 < ohsix> doesn't matter how big a vehicle when you hit that kind of shit eh, bus just bounces, everyone inside shits' their pants
2017-03-25T07:36:52 < ohsix> Kitlith: don't remember, it's in the datasheet for the part, and there are appnotes
2017-03-25T07:37:07 < ohsix> only know lvl2 because it means you're f'd
2017-03-25T07:37:18 < Kitlith> heh.
2017-03-25T07:38:39 < ohsix> intel has beem spamming the shit out of me since they got altera
2017-03-25T07:40:23 < Kitlith> gonna take pictures of my setup, so we can see if I'm doing something obviously wrong, starting with my soldering job.
2017-03-25T07:44:46 < Kitlith> (assuming anyone actually cares)
2017-03-25T07:49:24 < Kitlith> scratch that, I'll do it later.
2017-03-25T07:49:43 < Kitlith> let's see if I can find the pinout stuff...
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2017-03-25T08:10:29 < Kitlith> ... tfw you accidentally fry your USB<->serial adapter.
2017-03-25T08:10:45 < Kitlith> well, it's setup w/ wifi and ssh server anyway.
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2017-03-25T08:23:27 < Kitlith> I didn't setup SSH? shoot. Time to try something else, then.
2017-03-25T08:34:33 < Kitlith> or not be a derp and just edit the SD card to enable it.
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2017-03-25T09:03:16 < Kitlith> yeah, whenever openocd tries to read anything, it (almost?) always returns 0.
2017-03-25T09:06:59 < PaulFertser> Kitlith: what openocd version are you using? 0.10.0 has amendments to lower the drive strength as it was proven to cause issues with ringing.
2017-03-25T09:07:28 < Kitlith> ohi PaulFertser. nice to see you over here as well.
2017-03-25T09:08:11 < Kitlith> 0.10.0-rc2-dev-00001-g1c4aa20, aka built when I was looking at this in #openocd.
2017-03-25T09:08:18 < Kitlith> or, 'last time'
2017-03-25T09:09:54 < Kitlith> I'll grab latest git and recompile.
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2017-03-25T09:33:45 < Kitlith> well, this is going to take a while to (re)compile on the Pi, so I'm going to get some sleep and work on this tomorrow.
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2017-03-25T10:12:10 < upgrdman> right in the feels    http://imgur.com/DbYePMN
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2017-03-25T10:23:54 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gallery/MlWeO
2017-03-25T10:38:54 < ohsix> buns
2017-03-25T10:39:55 < ohsix> having to send emails that matter
2017-03-25T10:40:02 < ohsix> i would rather not
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2017-03-25T10:41:58 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcuc3rgwZAE why does the bitcoin guy have to have a speech impediment
2017-03-25T10:42:02 < ohsix> i want the world to be good
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2017-03-25T12:19:30 < Emil> ohsix: hmm, good point
2017-03-25T12:19:53 < Emil> ohsix: now where to find that :D
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2017-03-25T12:55:23 < stm32> in my pants Emil 
2017-03-25T12:57:23 < Steffanx> can i buy for you stm32  https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5184yp997fL._SY346_.jpg ?
2017-03-25T12:58:15 < stm32> how did i know that'd summon you?
2017-03-25T12:58:30 < stm32> i can manage my money
2017-03-25T12:58:36 < stm32> however i still act like i'm 6
2017-03-25T12:59:30 < Steffanx> My rpi is getting hot hot hot. > 75C.
2017-03-25T13:00:07 < stm32> you have to mill epoxy off the SoC
2017-03-25T13:00:21 < stm32> for better thermal transfer mate
2017-03-25T13:01:29 < sync_> ideal for warming up stroopwaffels
2017-03-25T13:02:42 < stm32> :]
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2017-03-25T13:08:13 < Steffanx> How's peter stm32?
2017-03-25T13:08:28 < stm32> brother peter m
2017-03-25T13:08:56 < Steffanx> no, not mr M.
2017-03-25T13:09:05 < stm32> umm
2017-03-25T13:09:07 < stm32> idk then
2017-03-25T13:09:23 < stm32> he is the only peter i know in IRC
2017-03-25T13:10:17 < stm32> i talk to several peters regularly outside of IRC
2017-03-25T13:11:11 < stm32> except the one who left a server on my desk (old job) for several months
2017-03-25T13:11:17 < stm32> who i call 'the cuck'
2017-03-25T13:11:37 < Steffanx> I was referring to work peter.
2017-03-25T13:11:58 < stm32> he works in theatre now
2017-03-25T13:12:09 < stm32> prancing around like a gaylord
2017-03-25T13:12:29 < stm32> the cuck
2017-03-25T13:13:01 < stm32> the hyper-v asslicker
2017-03-25T13:13:39 < stm32> an old work colleague took him to a knock shop
2017-03-25T13:13:53 < stm32> poor peter spent the rest of his working days itching his crotch
2017-03-25T13:14:19 < stm32> they weren't kidding about 'love you long time'
2017-03-25T13:15:12 < stm32> i give him props for cheating on his dim-sim of a girlfriend though
2017-03-25T13:17:20 < stm32> Steffanx: would you like to know more?
2017-03-25T13:17:32 < Steffanx> no sir.
2017-03-25T13:18:34 < stm32> where do i get litz wire mate
2017-03-25T13:23:18 < Thorn> I'm in ##stm32 since 2012 if not 2011 and have never actually felt the need to /ignore anyone
2017-03-25T13:23:21 < Thorn> until now
2017-03-25T13:24:05 < stm32> hi Thorn 
2017-03-25T13:26:40 < Steffanx> Are you ok Thorn or just had ar rough night?
2017-03-25T13:28:56 < Steffanx> Im suprised that even R2COM wasn't the first one Thorn.
2017-03-25T13:29:21 < stm32> nah R2 failed ages ago and gave up
2017-03-25T13:29:34 < stm32> and then upgrdman served him a whopper
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2017-03-25T14:20:49 < ReadError> ignore is cheating
2017-03-25T14:20:56 < ReadError> play IRC, no hax
2017-03-25T14:26:01 < stm32> welcome ReadError 
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2017-03-25T14:26:34 < Steffanx> Pumper apprentice?
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2017-03-25T14:29:25 < stm32> checked the pantry
2017-03-25T14:29:29 < stm32> found a bottle of rum
2017-03-25T14:29:33 < stm32> okay lets continue
2017-03-25T14:31:02 < dongs> < Thorn> I'm in ##stm32 since 2012 if not 2011 and have never actually felt the need to /ignore anyone
2017-03-25T14:31:09 < dongs> another strike for o6?
2017-03-25T14:31:13 < stm32> might complete a few more jobs and enjoy live irc
2017-03-25T14:31:21 < stm32> sup dongs 
2017-03-25T14:32:47 < dongs> not much
2017-03-25T14:32:53 < dongs> blogging live from 6th floor mansion
2017-03-25T14:34:08 < stm32> neat
2017-03-25T14:34:14 < stm32> still in china?
2017-03-25T14:34:22 < dongs> nope back to jp
2017-03-25T14:34:40 < stm32> mmmm
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2017-03-25T14:58:07 < tcurdt> So this board has a SWD/JTAG connector, a couple of UARTs exposed on the pins - but from STM32F103xx datasheet it seems it also has a real USB port (and it's not just a USB/UART converter) http://tomeko.net/miniscope_v2c/STM32F103C8T6_board1.jpg 
2017-03-25T14:58:17 < tcurdt> I am a little lost on how to make use of that though
2017-03-25T14:58:22 < tcurdt> Any pointers?
2017-03-25T15:03:09 < tcurdt> This sounds promising http://jeelabs.org/article/1612a/
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2017-03-25T15:04:01 < dongs> what do you mean
2017-03-25T15:04:03 < dongs> make use of what
2017-03-25T15:06:28 < tcurdt> My hope is to be able to give my board a serial style interface (AT style) over the existing USB port
2017-03-25T15:09:09 < tcurdt> From the link above it sounds like the board should register itself as an "USB ACM device" that should not need a driver.
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2017-03-25T15:14:57 < tcurdt> While I know how to send and receive data with an UART - how does one send and receive data over USB?
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2017-03-25T15:17:15 < tcurdt> If anyone had some pointers I would be grateful.
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2017-03-25T15:19:00 < stm32> just in time Laurenceb_ 
2017-03-25T15:20:15 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/989/589/8db.png
2017-03-25T15:20:40 < stm32> dnk4532
2017-03-25T15:20:47 < englishman> tcurdt: there's usb-cdc middleware included in hal, just check the box in cube to enable it, there's also a few examples on how to tx/RX data
2017-03-25T15:20:59 < englishman> stm32: how's formula one
2017-03-25T15:21:11 < stm32> idk
2017-03-25T15:21:22 < stm32> too busy fixing stuff
2017-03-25T15:21:34 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/nsUAAzu.jpg
2017-03-25T15:21:36 < englishman> tcurdt: it's true you won't need additional drivers in win10, those drivers are now included
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2017-03-25T15:22:49 < englishman> you pretty much just use the functions included with the library, like a UART. It's not too much more difficult than a uart
2017-03-25T15:23:27 < stm32> senpioneer orders at 12.23am
2017-03-25T15:23:56 < stm32> cat was demanding attention so i fed her
2017-03-25T15:23:59 < englishman> I can't believe this one client is giving me repeat business, I totally fucked up their shit
2017-03-25T15:24:10 < stm32> story of my life englishman 
2017-03-25T15:24:12 < englishman> I guess I don't suck as much as I thought I suck
2017-03-25T15:24:35 < englishman> stm32: lildong is out of surgery and doing OK
2017-03-25T15:25:11 < stm32> you just gotta groom the client, look after them and they'll forgive a fuck-up here and there
2017-03-25T15:25:36 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahXQ7e8w7mQ
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2017-03-25T15:30:02 < tcurdt> englishman Thanks for the pointers. I am not using cube though. Being similar to UART sounds promising though.
2017-03-25T15:30:17 < Steffanx> it doesn't have angry face crt :O
2017-03-25T15:30:25 < stm32> lolcrt
2017-03-25T15:31:19 < stm32> what a fuck
2017-03-25T15:32:43 < tcurdt> I am still not sure what to use and are playing with HAL, libopencm3 and stm32duino - and with platformio ... FWIW
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2017-03-25T15:46:25 < englishman> HAL is awesome
2017-03-25T15:47:08 < englishman> I'd never used i2c before and had a new project going and driver written for this chip in <30min this week
2017-03-25T15:52:29 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/gallery/ZpCpy i know which finger dongs uses the most. 
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2017-03-25T17:21:57 < Steffanx> beaver post is slow mr englishman. Better get them to work.
2017-03-25T17:22:16 < Tectu> no
2017-03-25T17:22:23 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-03-25T17:22:45 < englishman> yes
2017-03-25T17:22:49 < englishman> so slow
2017-03-25T17:22:58 < englishman> i mailed some shit to a town ~4h drive away
2017-03-25T17:22:59 < englishman> on monday
2017-03-25T17:23:01 < englishman> its not there yet
2017-03-25T17:23:14 < Tectu> it's called latency
2017-03-25T17:23:26 < englishman> vet calleda at 6am to say lildongs pulled his own catheder out
2017-03-25T17:23:37 < englishman> little rascal
2017-03-25T17:26:23 < Steffanx> `:D
2017-03-25T17:27:41 < Steffanx> We all know he can be a PITA
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2017-03-25T17:39:35 < Tectu> zyp around?
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2017-03-25T17:43:06 < zyp> Tectu, sup?
2017-03-25T17:43:37 < Tectu> some local friend moved to norway to work for some embedded corp
2017-03-25T17:43:42 < Tectu> apparently taxes suck arse
2017-03-25T17:43:52 < Tectu> stop charging 30% on shit
2017-03-25T17:44:59 < zyp> hehe
2017-03-25T17:45:35 < Steffanx> salary is also a bit higher i guess. ( not compared to swisserland, but swissers are over paid anyway :P )
2017-03-25T17:45:49 < zyp> can I ask what company?
2017-03-25T17:46:16 < Tectu> nordic
2017-03-25T17:46:31 < Steffanx> hah, i knew it.
2017-03-25T17:46:42 < Tectu> that's like the only company in norway, isn't it? :p
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2017-03-25T17:47:00 < Steffanx> yes
2017-03-25T17:47:01 < mtbg> :>
2017-03-25T17:49:00 < zyp> nah, there's also silabs (i.e. energy micro)
2017-03-25T17:49:13 < tcurdt> So the STM32F103C8 shows up as Maple@14100000 (ProductID: 0x0004, VendorID: 0x1eaf) without me doing anything. Does that mean that's the bootloader?
2017-03-25T17:49:57 < zyp> sounds like the old maple bootloader
2017-03-25T17:49:58 < mtbg> there was some company with quite impressive microwave radar chips
2017-03-25T17:50:07 < mtbg> from norway
2017-03-25T17:50:14 < zyp> kongsberg?
2017-03-25T17:50:25 < Tectu> minicircuits?
2017-03-25T17:50:35 < zyp> idk
2017-03-25T17:51:08 < Tectu> TELL MEEEEEE
2017-03-25T17:51:45 < mtbg> chips that send almost a dirac delta using wide bandwidth microwave antenna and then sample receiving antenna signal at some gigasamples per second settable delay after the pulse
2017-03-25T17:52:09 < mtbg> in qfn32
2017-03-25T17:52:10 < mtbg> :>
2017-03-25T17:52:28 < Tectu> and I thought I was a nerd...
2017-03-25T17:52:41 < Steffanx> You are.
2017-03-25T17:52:50 < Tectu> not on the mtbg scale
2017-03-25T17:53:04 < Steffanx> Different kind.
2017-03-25T17:53:15 < Steffanx> There are nerds and smart nerds
2017-03-25T17:54:22 < Tectu> bashing mtbg or tek2 now?
2017-03-25T17:55:03 < mtbg> zyp, Tectu: novelda
2017-03-25T17:55:17 < zyp> oh, ok
2017-03-25T17:55:23 < mtbg> https://www.xethru.com/
2017-03-25T17:55:45 < Tectu> what
2017-03-25T17:55:48 < Tectu> it detects breathing
2017-03-25T17:55:52 < mtbg> yep
2017-03-25T17:55:58 < mtbg> ~1mm resolution
2017-03-25T17:56:02 < Tectu> o.O
2017-03-25T17:56:05 < Tectu> buit...
2017-03-25T17:56:06 < Tectu> what.
2017-03-25T17:56:18 < Tectu> that magic
2017-03-25T17:56:39 < mtbg> and as the signal is sampled in a 256 or 512 window, if I remember correctly
2017-03-25T17:56:55 < mtbg> you can get reflective characteristics of the environment
2017-03-25T17:57:02 < Tectu> that reminds me... I have an exam about antenna design on Thursday... and I am totally not into that subject.
2017-03-25T17:57:02 < mtbg> not only the distance
2017-03-25T17:57:18 < mtbg> but reflection coefficient for a given distance
2017-03-25T17:57:21 < mtbg> in the window
2017-03-25T17:57:21 < tcurdt> zyp does that old maple bootloader allow for more than uploading a bin from the Maple IDE? would I need to get rid of the bootloader if I wanted to use the USB then?
2017-03-25T18:08:45 < zyp> I think it's plain DFU, so you can use dfu-util to upload
2017-03-25T18:08:55 < zyp> but if you don't want to use it at all, you can just overwrite it
2017-03-25T18:15:20 < Tectu> mtbg, are smith charts actually still used in the industry to solve problems (and not just plotting)?
2017-03-25T18:17:33 < mtbg> I don't know
2017-03-25T18:23:09 < englishman> you mean solving problems by hand on paper? 
2017-03-25T18:23:22 < englishman> possibly using a slide rule?
2017-03-25T18:23:40 < englishman> sounds like Tectu is looking for a way to get out of his homework
2017-03-25T18:24:57 < Tectu> :p
2017-03-25T18:26:03 < tcurdt> zyp Can or must I overwrite it to use the USB port? When I don't overwrite it - would I be just re-initializing the port (and thereby disabling the dfu mode)?
2017-03-25T18:33:16 < zyp> yeah, you don't have to overwrite it
2017-03-25T18:37:48 < tcurdt> zyp thanks!
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2017-03-25T19:45:00 < branjb> anyone used the L6470 from stm?
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2017-03-25T19:49:29 < emeryth> branjb: I did
2017-03-25T19:49:51 < branjb> how'd you like it?  hows it compare to a generic IC that you do the kinematics yourself and just supply step/direction?
2017-03-25T19:57:54 < emeryth> once you get it going, after hours of dicking around with the configuration values, it works pretty well
2017-03-25T19:58:12 < emeryth> but I'm not a motor control pro, so I don't really know
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2017-03-25T21:02:10 < kakimir> pumps
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2017-03-25T21:19:36 < Steffanx> Watch out kakimir, thorn cannot handle pumps.
2017-03-25T21:22:47 < englishman> karlp: can add to snips plz https://www.oshpark.com/shared_projects/QoUhDy2L
2017-03-25T21:23:49 < kakimir> nice
2017-03-25T21:23:59 < kakimir> I feel stupid now
2017-03-25T21:27:03 < Steffanx> At least write fapp next time mr englishman 
2017-03-25T21:30:10 < Steffanx> And do a pull request mr englishman 
2017-03-25T21:45:36 < kakimir> someone order a pilo of those and then ship some to me
2017-03-25T21:47:09 < kakimir> "compatible with Windows only."
2017-03-25T21:50:08 < mtbg> does anyone know a microcontroller with >10Mbps uart?
2017-03-25T21:51:01 < mtbg> preferably not too advanced otherwise
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2017-03-25T21:51:44 < emeryth> but why
2017-03-25T21:52:20 < mtbg> for rs485
2017-03-25T21:52:37 < kakimir> what are you about meatbag?
2017-03-25T21:53:38 < mtbg> a controller for modbus-like rs485 bus with packet buffer
2017-03-25T21:54:08 < mtbg> so that it connects with spi + irq line to a host microcontroller
2017-03-25T21:54:17 < mtbg> and with uart to rs485
2017-03-25T21:55:30 < mtbg> I want it to handle all the low level aspects of the data sending/receiving
2017-03-25T21:55:39 < emeryth> there's this thing called ethernet
2017-03-25T21:56:34 < mtbg> I considered ethernet, but it needs additional hardware
2017-03-25T21:56:44 < mtbg> to connect multiple devices
2017-03-25T21:57:22 < mtbg> and also is somewhat less deterministic as to packet arrival time
2017-03-25T21:57:41 < mtbg> due to possible buffering in the switch
2017-03-25T21:59:24 < mtbg> with standard rs485 drivers I can achieve ~1µs accuracy of synchronization
2017-03-25T22:02:20 < emeryth> F4 usart can do 10.5mbps max
2017-03-25T22:05:48 < mtbg> could be enough
2017-03-25T22:07:00 < mtbg> I thought of some kind of small fpga like lattice machxo2/3, but they have considerably less RAM available for packet buffer
2017-03-25T22:12:06 < branjb> note to self: don't mention opencv wrappers in #opencv
2017-03-25T22:19:10 < kakimir> what would be fuse size for 2.5VA transformer?
2017-03-25T22:19:46 < kakimir> it says it's inherently limited but anyways
2017-03-25T22:21:21 < kakimir> I use it with 230V
2017-03-25T22:21:23 < kakimir> VAC
2017-03-25T22:21:46 < kakimir> but I can't really put a 2mA fuse there
2017-03-25T22:22:21 < sync_> why not?
2017-03-25T22:24:42 < kakimir> I don't think I could get one
2017-03-25T22:25:15 < kakimir> also I think my filters could would blow it when the MOT is jerked with SCR
2017-03-25T22:27:29 < kakimir> hmm I have defined 160mA there
2017-03-25T22:27:36 < kakimir> 150mA
2017-03-25T22:28:11 < sync_> I think 50mA is the smallest 5x20 fuse
2017-03-25T22:28:52 < kakimir> I have 1206 smd fuse place
2017-03-25T22:30:24 < kakimir> there is 125mA ones
2017-03-25T22:31:22 < kakimir> sync_: you really need to look for it.. I don't think you can get one from local car part store
2017-03-25T22:33:51 < sync_> just order from biltema or someone?
2017-03-25T22:36:24 < karlp> mtbg: at 10Mbps, why aren't you starting to look at ethercat and profinet stuff instead?
2017-03-25T22:36:49 < karlp> mtbg: ethernet periphs give you PTP support too.
2017-03-25T22:37:11 < karlp> instead of rolling your own sync on uarts
2017-03-25T22:38:20 < kakimir> I love how kicad shows my designs in 3d viewer with gold color in pads and edges
2017-03-25T22:38:30 < kakimir> shiny!
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2017-03-25T22:45:32 < Steffanx> Does it export to freecad easily too?
2017-03-25T22:46:32 < kakimir> it does nothing
2017-03-25T22:46:44 < kakimir> but pretty rendered pics for irc spamming
2017-03-25T22:58:21 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/a/j4gkT
2017-03-25T23:03:24 < qyx> spi over m-lvds \o/
2017-03-25T23:03:26 < qyx> mtbg: ^
2017-03-25T23:04:42 < qyx> karlp: but deterministic profinet controllers are $$$
2017-03-25T23:07:36 < karlp> qyx: well, mtbg was talking about "I want to have a whole cpu to just take care of this for me" so I assumed money was an option 
2017-03-25T23:07:59 < karlp> I can't imagine building profinet by choice though, I'd go ethernet if wanted bigger/faster than rs485 slow stuff
2017-03-25T23:10:49 < qyx> mhm, not that expensive though https://www.rutronik24.com/product/siemens/6gk1182-0bb01-0aa2/1069889.html
2017-03-25T23:12:30 < karlp> there's a profinet ic company too, or is the siemens one a rebadge?
2017-03-25T23:16:23 < qyx> isnt it renesas originally?
2017-03-25T23:16:52 < qyx> idk
2017-03-25T23:17:58 < Steffanx> Phoenix contact is a/the developer of some ic too
2017-03-25T23:18:14 < Steffanx> But only because they bought some other german company
2017-03-25T23:18:29 < Steffanx> Had the honour to work with their tools once.
2017-03-25T23:18:56 < Steffanx> Damn their documentation. Full with spelling errors and incorrect info.
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2017-03-25T23:35:21 < kakimir> transformer says secondary coil is 5volts and 0.25A
2017-03-25T23:35:33 < kakimir> so actually after rectifier I get 10volts dc
2017-03-25T23:36:12 < kakimir> divided with 0,73 for Vpp of 5volt RMS ac
2017-03-25T23:36:37 < kakimir> 13,69volts
2017-03-25T23:36:43 < kakimir> my design is failing
2017-03-25T23:37:00 < kakimir> lx1117 abs.max. is like 15volts
2017-03-25T23:37:41 < kakimir> have some overvoltage in input and 15volts is easy
2017-03-25T23:38:06 < jadew> https://i.redditmedia.com/_Vq2tVqKo8SqkhE61Xk1mytQw-mnrrZoYTiyhEV4LdE.jpg?w=1024&s=539d9bec499aaf666257dbb5020df70c
2017-03-25T23:38:25 < kakimir> #cats32
2017-03-25T23:38:32 < kakimir> is it your cat?
2017-03-25T23:38:35 < englishman> cool cats walk away from explosions
2017-03-25T23:38:48 < jadew> kakimir, that cat is too cool for me
2017-03-25T23:39:35 < kakimir> it's burning trash englishman 
2017-03-25T23:42:32 < kakimir> photo looks scandinav-ish
2017-03-25T23:43:01 < kakimir> birch and spruce
2017-03-25T23:43:50 < kakimir> red old buildings
2017-03-25T23:44:18 < kakimir> hard snow but not that much of it
2017-03-25T23:45:01 < kakimir> small fields
2017-03-25T23:46:11 < Steffanx> How do you get to 10V kakimir?
2017-03-25T23:46:26 < kakimir> 5volt AC
2017-03-25T23:46:53 < kakimir> do full rectification... wait
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2017-03-25T23:46:54 < mtbg> qyx: not so sure if m-lvds will give me the immunity to interference and other abuse that rs485 transceivers do
2017-03-25T23:47:22 < Steffanx> Yes? Rectified is like 5*sqrt(2) V peak right?
2017-03-25T23:47:35 < kakimir> minus diodes
2017-03-25T23:47:44 < kakimir> okay I think my design is complete
2017-03-25T23:47:46 < Steffanx> Yes so not even close to 10V
2017-03-25T23:47:46 < kakimir> !
2017-03-25T23:47:55 < Steffanx> More like 7.something
2017-03-25T23:48:15 < kakimir> I have figured it all out earlier but took too much time to get finishing this
2017-03-25T23:51:15 < Steffanx> Sure you did it right then?
2017-03-25T23:51:52 < mtbg> karlp: I would like to avoid high level protocols
2017-03-25T23:51:58 < mtbg> such as tcp/ip
2017-03-25T23:52:20 < mtbg> I don't know if it is required in profinet, but seems so
2017-03-25T23:52:57 < sync_> karlp: siemens has the hat on all the profi* stuff
2017-03-25T23:53:13 < sync_> they just certify out asics that speak their stuff
2017-03-25T23:53:27 < sync_> they also claim that they have a copyright on profibus
2017-03-25T23:53:35 < mtbg> I imagine it more like usb bus that has devices with endpoints that I can transfer to without bothering the software
2017-03-25T23:53:48 < sync_> which is a standardized protocol, so they can't really have a copyright on it
2017-03-25T23:54:03 < mtbg> so that I can have a control interface for devices, but also a debug interface
2017-03-25T23:54:12 < mtbg> maybe even terminal-compatible
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2017-03-25T23:56:16 < mtbg> like remote cdc acm
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2017-03-26T00:04:52 < Steffanx> Oh that renesas profinet ic is developed by siemens and phoenix contact. That other german company did some sw tooling
2017-03-26T00:09:13 < mtbg> I like the idea of ethernet because of cost and also ease of the galvanic isolation
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2017-03-26T00:09:55 < mtbg> but I have to form valid ethernet packets so that the switch will pass them properly
2017-03-26T00:11:16 < mtbg> it would let me interface the bus with PCs using existing network interfaces
2017-03-26T00:11:43 < mtbg> and also the same interfaces would let me sniff/debug the bus, which is nice
2017-03-26T00:11:54 < kakimir> I don't have grounds right next to pinrows of uart or i2c... how bad mistake is this?
2017-03-26T00:12:04 < kakimir> there is 4cm distance
2017-03-26T00:12:07 < qyx> you don't have to talk tcp/ip
2017-03-26T00:12:18 < qyx> ethernet is enough to pass through the switches
2017-03-26T00:12:39 < kakimir> unforgiveable mistake
2017-03-26T00:12:55 < qyx> thats only a simple header
2017-03-26T00:14:06 < Steffanx> It will kill you kakimir 
2017-03-26T00:15:01 < Steffanx> No sma either kakimir ?
2017-03-26T00:15:29 < Steffanx> Via stitching?
2017-03-26T00:18:24 < englishman> lildongs is coming home, $2100 later
2017-03-26T00:20:15 < Steffanx> Did you go to Dr. Pol?
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2017-03-26T00:24:43 < upgrdman> dumbass looks back  http://i.imgur.com/D3ZhI9K.gifv
2017-03-26T00:27:34 < sync_> dat face tho
2017-03-26T00:29:47 < kakimir> she stays positive
2017-03-26T00:30:44 < Steffanx> only on camera.
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2017-03-26T00:40:56 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/lLqAgoE.jpg
2017-03-26T00:42:00 < Steffanx> didnt he/she/it have that neck/head thing before englishman?
2017-03-26T00:42:40 < Steffanx> photo bombed much.
2017-03-26T00:43:17 < Steffanx> before he/she/it pulled out the catheter that is.
2017-03-26T00:43:17 < kakimir> photogenic cat
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2017-03-26T00:48:16 < sync_> that's a fancy cone of shame with the wobbly edge
2017-03-26T00:50:07 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/bB3Fh7l.jpg
2017-03-26T00:50:59 < mtbg> pretty cat
2017-03-26T00:51:06 < englishman> glad to have my dong back
2017-03-26T00:51:31 < Steffanx> Howso siemens claims copyright of profi* sync_? They didnt even design it..?
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2017-03-26T00:52:20 < sync_> Steffanx: they invented it
2017-03-26T00:52:40 < sync_> some people tried to opensource a software stack a few years back
2017-03-26T00:52:45 < sync_> and siemens was like naaaaw
2017-03-26T00:56:44 < jadew> man... a little music goes a long way when programming
2017-03-26T00:56:52 < jadew> or better said, when you don't feel like it
2017-03-26T00:57:58 < Steffanx> Really? I thought it was something designed by multiple institutes/companies sync_, but i guess Siemens was part of those 21 and now claims ownership?
2017-03-26T00:59:22 < Steffanx> it's interesting how many of this industrial protocol stuff seems to happen in germany.
2017-03-26T01:00:34 < sync_> yes Steffanx iirc they are the head of the profi* consortium
2017-03-26T01:01:12 < sync_> well, lots of automation stuff in germany
2017-03-26T01:01:18 < kakimir> where to get that mains connector box that bigclive uses?
2017-03-26T01:01:28 < sync_> kakimir: he tells that very often
2017-03-26T01:01:43 < Steffanx> who the hell is bigclive?
2017-03-26T01:01:54 < jadew> Steffanx, clive2
2017-03-26T01:01:58 < kakimir> trash king
2017-03-26T01:02:04 < jadew> some guy on youtube
2017-03-26T01:02:11 < jadew> making videos about light bulbs
2017-03-26T01:02:15 < mtbg> capacitor dropper man
2017-03-26T01:02:42 < kakimir> and china trash generally
2017-03-26T01:03:04 < kakimir> but lights mostly
2017-03-26T01:05:02 < Steffanx> What did Dr. Pol do that costs 2.1k (beaver bucks that is?) englishman?
2017-03-26T01:05:23 < englishman> stuck a tube up his tiny dong to let the crystals out
2017-03-26T01:05:49 < Steffanx> and THAT costs 2.1k? DAAAMN
2017-03-26T01:05:54 < englishman> yep
2017-03-26T01:06:07 < englishman> includes a few weeks of medicine and a month of special food
2017-03-26T01:06:15 < Steffanx> Dr. Pol in dutchland is expensive, but not THAT expensive.
2017-03-26T01:06:39 < englishman> should have used dr. /pol/ instead
2017-03-26T01:07:28 < Steffanx> but /pol/ isnt a dutch name. Pol is.
2017-03-26T01:08:46 < Steffanx> if Laurenceb/Laurenceb_ even made little blaxters i wonder what their name would be? 8chan? /pol/? Or just dongs.
2017-03-26T01:10:13 < englishman> horrible
2017-03-26T01:10:16 < englishman> Horrible Blaxter
2017-03-26T01:13:00 < sync_> Steffanx: even in oranje cats are expensive to maintain
2017-03-26T01:14:03 < Steffanx> Yes, absolutely.
2017-03-26T01:14:55 < englishman> what's money, really
2017-03-26T01:16:10 < Steffanx> And it's just a cat.
2017-03-26T01:16:45 < Steffanx> *It's just your employer/boss
2017-03-26T01:22:15 < ReadError> Laurenceb: kneegrow
2017-03-26T01:22:19 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: 
2017-03-26T01:23:48 < Steffanx> kneegrow blaxter. Also an option.
2017-03-26T01:24:06 < ReadError> i have important Q for him
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2017-03-26T01:48:04 < Laurenceb_> hello trolls
2017-03-26T01:48:10 < Laurenceb_> I see trolling in scrollback
2017-03-26T01:48:28 < Laurenceb_> ReadError: wut?
2017-03-26T01:50:32 < karlp> mtbg: ethercat, it's whole reason for being is, "we don't want no high level shit getting  in the way of our controlz"
2017-03-26T01:50:55 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: what have u heard about some 8ch raid
2017-03-26T01:51:07 < ReadError> of yesterday
2017-03-26T01:51:12 < Laurenceb_> in liver/pol/  ?
2017-03-26T01:51:21 < Laurenceb_> an irl raid?
2017-03-26T01:51:28 < ReadError> nah against our IRC radio show\]
2017-03-26T01:51:31 < Laurenceb_> thats all I've heard about
2017-03-26T01:51:34 < Laurenceb_> nope
2017-03-26T01:51:41 < Laurenceb_> wut you run l0de ?
2017-03-26T01:51:47 < ReadError> no
2017-03-26T01:51:50 < ReadError> idont run
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2017-03-26T01:52:12 < ReadError> but some retarded aspie kept calling
2017-03-26T01:52:25 < Laurenceb_> so everything went as intended?
2017-03-26T01:57:42 < ReadError> if you mean like 2 or 3 retards calling, i guess
2017-03-26T01:58:50 < ReadError> what was supposed to happen
2017-03-26T01:59:13 < Laurenceb_> that
2017-03-26T01:59:29 < Laurenceb_> I thought the whole premise was to get retards to call in
2017-03-26T02:00:33 < ReadError> is there a link to something to the thread?
2017-03-26T02:00:41 < ReadError> wondering what these 13 year old where saying
2017-03-26T02:03:04 < ReadError> there was a black guy that showed up ready to chimp out and fight 
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2017-03-26T02:19:33 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqhihNhCd0w
2017-03-26T02:19:36 < Laurenceb_> so much BS
2017-03-26T02:25:04 < jadew> I'd rather get into a teleportation device than in a vacuum tube train
2017-03-26T02:30:57 < Laurenceb_> the basic idea seems very good
2017-03-26T02:35:02 < Laurenceb_> just everything about his implementation is bonkers
2017-03-26T02:37:31 < jadew> maybe if they made it at 100 km above the ground
2017-03-26T02:38:02 < jadew> at least you could enjoy a free fall before dying
2017-03-26T02:39:17 < jadew> although, they could add parachutes, then you'd have higher chances of survival
2017-03-26T02:39:23 < jadew> higher than on earth
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2017-03-26T04:28:40 < Thorn> wtf my dma transfers stop prematurely 
2017-03-26T04:28:50 < Thorn> about once every 40,000 times
2017-03-26T04:29:28 < Thorn> no error flags, only ndtr is > 0
2017-03-26T04:30:20 < Thorn> it causes green flashes in the ws2812b matrix
2017-03-26T04:31:08 < branjb> blame russia
2017-03-26T04:42:04 < jadew> ffs.. whoever came up with the syntax for find (the linux command) was a fucking retard
2017-03-26T04:42:24 < jadew> if you want to list everything: find .
2017-03-26T04:42:31 < jadew> if you want to ignore some folders: find . -type d \( -path dir1 -o -path dir2 -o -path dir3 \) -prune -o -print
2017-03-26T04:42:35 < jadew> WTF??
2017-03-26T04:43:32 < Thorn> http://doc.cat-v.org/unix/find-history
2017-03-26T04:43:38 < jadew> in what world does that seem reasonable?
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2017-03-26T04:45:55 < branjb> i always have to man find because that syntax is so unintuitive
2017-03-26T04:46:22 < ReadError> i just pipe all the output to grep or awk
2017-03-26T04:46:30 < ReadError> and handle it there when lazy
2017-03-26T04:46:41 < ReadError> if its not being used a bunch, no1curr
2017-03-26T04:47:34 < jadew> ok, so let's say someone decided find has to suck, 40 years ago
2017-03-26T04:47:39 < jadew> why is it not fixed?
2017-03-26T04:49:06 < branjb> the same reason that people refuse to use anything but vi
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2017-03-26T04:58:16 < jadew> I want a radio, don't know what to get
2017-03-26T05:10:55 < jadew> I don't think I understand what autism is anymore
2017-03-26T05:22:53 < upgrdman> jadew, what kind of radio
2017-03-26T05:23:17 < jadew> upgrdman, receiver, general purpose, but fairly capable
2017-03-26T05:23:52 < upgrdman> i mean like, music radio, or rc hobby, or CB or what
2017-03-26T05:24:20 < jadew> music + CB + other stuff too if possible
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2017-03-26T05:25:05 < upgrdman> ok good
2017-03-26T05:25:16 < upgrdman> i was gonna say, who the fuck buys a music radio anymore
2017-03-26T05:25:29 < upgrdman> was wondering if that's something poor people still do
2017-03-26T05:25:35 < jadew> lol
2017-03-26T05:26:02 < upgrdman> damn, leeloo's not here anymore. i used to love triggering her every time i used the word "poor"
2017-03-26T05:26:23 < jadew> I don't think poor people care about radio anymore
2017-03-26T05:26:28 < jadew> TVs are cheap
2017-03-26T05:26:39 < upgrdman> ya
2017-03-26T05:27:11 < upgrdman> and i dont know about romania, but but california, even the retarded drug addict crack whores on the streets have smartphones with data plans
2017-03-26T05:27:29 < Jak_o_Shadows> Righto. Time to get USB data endpoint (out) working
2017-03-26T05:27:55 < jadew> upgrdman, haha
2017-03-26T05:28:15 < jadew> we don't have many of those anymore
2017-03-26T05:28:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm. It'd be nice if there was a tool that just gave me a raw dump of the data on a usb endpoint, on the PC side.
2017-03-26T05:28:43 < jadew> there are
2017-03-26T05:29:02 < upgrdman> Jak_o_Shadows, i think wireshark can, but never tried
2017-03-26T05:29:23 < upgrdman> i know for sure vmware can, but it's kinda a pain to work with
2017-03-26T05:29:24 < jadew> usblyzer IIRC does that too
2017-03-26T05:29:52 < Jak_o_Shadows> Seeing as I'm in linux, wireshark is just a package manager install away, so I'll give that a quick go.
2017-03-26T05:30:21 < jadew> I need a coffee
2017-03-26T05:30:37 < upgrdman> Jak_o_Shadows, you may need to add other dpeendencies. i think its called usbcap or someshit like that.
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2017-03-26T05:31:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> Pft. I already had wireshark installed.
2017-03-26T05:31:11 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-26T05:31:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> When I open it, there's a whole bunch of usbmon interfaces there
2017-03-26T05:33:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> (just for reference, I'm looking at trying to download pictures faster. I only have a f103 on me, but previously, on a F429, a 2.6MByte picture was taking 6-7 minutes to download via serial. )
2017-03-26T05:34:44 < jadew> upgrdman, about your question about the poor people and the radio
2017-03-26T05:35:04 < jadew> in the super poor areas (at the country side) you mainly get religious radio
2017-03-26T05:35:12 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-26T05:35:24 < jadew> so they might
2017-03-26T05:37:37 < jadew> also, those religious stations transmit the traffic announcement flags, so your radio switches to them automatically :)
2017-03-26T05:38:30 < englishman> i listened to local radio once
2017-03-26T05:38:39 < englishman> pretty sure someone said "homosexuality is preventable"
2017-03-26T05:38:52 < jadew> heh
2017-03-26T05:39:00 < englishman> i dont listen to local radio
2017-03-26T05:39:46 < jadew> I'm more interested in HF tbh
2017-03-26T05:40:01 < jadew> you get to listen to stations from other countries
2017-03-26T05:42:04 < jadew> my grandparents used to listen to radio free europe - which was a crime back then
2017-03-26T05:42:36 < jadew> everyone did it
2017-03-26T05:44:34 < englishman> nowadays kids rebel against their government by creating pictures involving green cartoon frogs in various unlikely situations
2017-03-26T05:44:36 < Jak_o_Shadows> Wireshark IS working for usb capture. Thanks. (had to modprobe usbmon, but meh)
2017-03-26T05:45:03 < jadew> englishman, sounds effective
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2017-03-26T06:01:57 < upgrdman> englishman, but it feelsgoodman
2017-03-26T06:10:59 < tpw_rules> i'm not sure how to read my adc's datasheet for accuracy. it says https://i.imgur.com/Q1w9Eq5.png . i've got a sensor which outputs a voltage in relation to what it senses. if i convert the sensor reading to an ADC number, truncate it to 10 bits, then convert it back and measure the error, is that figure the max error i'll see in practice? judging by "min effective bits: 10"
2017-03-26T06:11:03 < tpw_rules> like a sensor reading of 4625 results in an adc reading of 92 (at 10 bits resolution). turning that figure backwards results in a sensor reading of 4604, or -0.5% error. is that the maximum error i'll experience? if you don't factor in the sensor hardware error
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2017-03-26T06:12:56 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/845808038191792128
2017-03-26T06:13:13 < ohsix> .sb end
2017-03-26T06:14:00 < ohsix> Emil: https://cr.yp.to/chacha.html ?
2017-03-26T06:19:04 < ohsix> dunno the diff between poly-whatever-aes and not, but there is an rfc about it, and another one about using it with tls
2017-03-26T06:23:37 < ohsix> kakimir: you mentioned irc pictures but didn't post any (???)
2017-03-26T06:23:56 < jadew> tpw_rules, if one bit of ADC data is 50 units of whatever you have, then that's the error, not 21
2017-03-26T06:24:05 < jadew> then you have to factor in the error of the ADC itself
2017-03-26T06:24:23 < jadew> not all the bits will be spot on
2017-03-26T06:24:45 < jadew> so maybe you'll have 9 bits of usable data, not 10
2017-03-26T06:24:50 < tpw_rules> well it's a 12 bit adc
2017-03-26T06:24:55 < jadew> ah
2017-03-26T06:24:59 < tpw_rules> and the datasheet says a minimum of 10 usable bits
2017-03-26T06:25:05 < stm32> too much work 
2017-03-26T06:25:29 < tpw_rules> (i think)
2017-03-26T06:26:02 < jadew> if they were spot on, then your max error would be 50/2 I think
2017-03-26T06:26:10 < jadew> where 50 is the number of units you have per bit
2017-03-26T06:26:37 < tpw_rules> it's nonlinear though, but okay
2017-03-26T06:27:20 < jadew> well, however many units you have between -0.5 LSB and +0.5 LSB
2017-03-26T06:27:58 < tpw_rules> so i can assume that since the datasheet says 10 effective bits, they'll be accurate? and then calculate my error as ±2LSB
2017-03-26T06:29:11 < jadew> I don't know if 10 effective bits means 10 accurate bits, or 10 noise free bits that will fall within the known error of the ADC :)
2017-03-26T06:29:25 < tpw_rules> well did you see the datasheet?
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2017-03-26T06:29:46 < jadew> checking now
2017-03-26T06:30:16 < tpw_rules> thanks, i'm not sure myself
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2017-03-26T06:31:27 < jadew> yeah, I don't know
2017-03-26T06:31:44 < tpw_rules> bleh okay
2017-03-26T06:31:48 < tpw_rules> thanks for looking
2017-03-26T06:32:19 < jadew> np
2017-03-26T06:33:10 < jadew> if you find out how all those figures relate to each other please let me know
2017-03-26T06:33:40 < tpw_rules> does ST have nice support people? it's an STM32 chip
2017-03-26T06:33:54 < tpw_rules> i might just shoot em an email since this will be going into a product
2017-03-26T06:33:55 < jadew> they have cliev1
2017-03-26T06:33:56 < Peter_M> yeah, clive1 is the best
2017-03-26T06:34:15 < tpw_rules> how do i access that
2017-03-26T06:34:25 < jadew> you ask on the forum
2017-03-26T06:34:35 < tpw_rules> ah okay
2017-03-26T06:34:36 < jadew> clive1 will probably answer :)
2017-03-26T06:34:43 < tpw_rules> i think i have an account there, i'll check that then
2017-03-26T06:34:44 < tpw_rules> thanks
2017-03-26T06:34:50 < jadew> np
2017-03-26T06:35:16 < stm32> greetings Peter
2017-03-26T06:36:15 < tpw_rules> jadew: https://community.st.com/community/stm32-community/stm32-forum/content this one?
2017-03-26T06:36:45 < jadew> looks different than usual, but probably
2017-03-26T06:37:56 < stm32> yeah it has changed
2017-03-26T06:49:25 < englishman> http://herbiesaudiolab.net/cdmat.htm
2017-03-26T06:50:36 < upgrdman> tpw_rules, heh, when i open that forum page, the photo of a guys head in a circle is exactly above the girls chest photo
2017-03-26T06:50:44 < jadew> haha englishman 
2017-03-26T06:50:58 < jadew> lol upgrdman 
2017-03-26T06:52:52 < jadew> englishman, got more?
2017-03-26T06:52:59 < englishman> heh
2017-03-26T06:53:34 < jadew> oh, the site is full of that shit
2017-03-26T06:53:40 < jadew> http://herbiesaudiolab.net/rx.htm
2017-03-26T06:54:20 < stm32> the ferrite mathematics
2017-03-26T06:55:10 < tpw_rules> http://www.audioartcable.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AAC-STATEMENT2powerFI-28(R)
2017-03-26T06:55:20 < tpw_rules> my favorite bit of audophool ever: http://www.hd-plex.com/HDPLEX-Fanless-400W-ATX-Linear-Power-Supply-with-Modular-ATX-Output.html
2017-03-26T06:55:25 < tpw_rules> a completely linear ATX PSU
2017-03-26T06:55:28 < Peter_M> xd mat sounds liek the name of a porno
2017-03-26T06:55:34 < stm32> lol
2017-03-26T06:55:37 < Peter_M> *cd mat
2017-03-26T06:55:41 < stm32> the dirty analogue
2017-03-26T06:55:43 < tpw_rules> i'd love to see a linear regulator for Vcore
2017-03-26T06:55:52 < tpw_rules> 100 amps lol
2017-03-26T06:56:02 < stm32> i'll make ya one
2017-03-26T06:56:09 < stm32> only japanese transistors 
2017-03-26T06:56:13 < stm32> NOS toshiba mate
2017-03-26T06:56:13 < tpw_rules> nah i just want to see it
2017-03-26T06:56:14 < tpw_rules> not buy it
2017-03-26T06:56:18 < stm32> buy it mate
2017-03-26T06:56:25 < stm32> it'll be radical
2017-03-26T06:56:59 < tpw_rules> i like the eagle freaking the fuck out at the bottom
2017-03-26T06:57:01 < englishman> individual, isolated power supplies
2017-03-26T06:57:01 < tpw_rules> it me
2017-03-26T06:57:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> Is there any nice way to debug usb problems?
2017-03-26T06:57:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> Like, i'ts not identifying properly.
2017-03-26T06:57:17 < stm32> send your problems to senpai
2017-03-26T06:57:22 < Peter_M> thats actually kinda neat :S
2017-03-26T06:57:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> But I'm not getting a blocking handler on the uC side
2017-03-26T06:57:44 < tpw_rules> a usb beagle?
2017-03-26T06:57:59 < tpw_rules> http://www.usblyzer.com/ maybe this
2017-03-26T06:58:18 < stm32> Peter_M: what is your favourite power ferrite mate
2017-03-26T06:58:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> I have wireshark open, but, it's kinda not overly clear
2017-03-26T06:59:52 < Peter_M> stm32 for what
2017-03-26T07:00:08 < stm32> smps power transformer
2017-03-26T07:00:27 < Peter_M> depends on powwer handelling and vin vout
2017-03-26T07:00:46 < stm32> i see
2017-03-26T07:04:17 < Peter_M> for offline smps in the 0-250w i usually use PQ and RM in N87 or equiv
2017-03-26T07:06:51 < stm32> 1000w+
2017-03-26T07:06:57 < Peter_M> for higher i use PM or E
2017-03-26T07:07:27 < stm32> ETD makes me happy
2017-03-26T07:08:08 < Peter_M> im not certain but i  dont htink they make ETD that big commonly, though i am almost certainly wrong
2017-03-26T07:09:18 < Peter_M> ETD tops out at around Ae 400mm2
2017-03-26T07:09:35 < stm32> etd59 is 368mm2
2017-03-26T07:09:45 < Peter_M> mmhm
2017-03-26T07:10:06 < stm32> i'm going to break the autism barrier
2017-03-26T07:10:09 < stm32> 200kHz
2017-03-26T07:10:26 < englishman> this cat is high as fuck
2017-03-26T07:10:36 < stm32> lol englishman just like the real dong
2017-03-26T07:10:51 < Peter_M> 200k is fine if you have the right material, better than the common o9ld 65k shit
2017-03-26T07:11:16 < stm32> my mums siamese goes nuts after local anesthetic 
2017-03-26T07:11:21 < englishman> he's trying to chase a fly and just trolling himself
2017-03-26T07:11:26 < stm32> thinks everyone is out to get him
2017-03-26T07:12:11 < stm32> Peter_M: I'm gunna get 3f3 or 3c95
2017-03-26T07:14:16 < Peter_M> at 1kw id defs go 3f3
2017-03-26T07:14:22 < englishman> all you need is 555
2017-03-26T07:14:28 < stm32> ?
2017-03-26T07:14:34 < stm32> 555?
2017-03-26T07:15:02 < stm32> spot that innovative design
2017-03-26T07:15:41 < stm32> gonna need at least a 600MHz adi blackfin for this
2017-03-26T07:15:44 < stm32> ;]
2017-03-26T07:16:34 < stm32> my goto smps book says resonant isn't worth the 5% increase in efficiency
2017-03-26T07:16:54 < Peter_M> at 1kw it sure is
2017-03-26T07:17:04 < englishman> whats 50w between coils
2017-03-26T07:17:10 < stm32> thats a good point Peter_M 
2017-03-26T07:17:46 < Peter_M> the higher you go the more worthwhile the littel things become
2017-03-26T07:17:59 < englishman> this is true of many drugs
2017-03-26T07:18:04 < stm32> yes
2017-03-26T07:18:35 < stm32> basically every smps i've seen at these power levels is LLC resonant
2017-03-26T07:19:05 < Peter_M> or psfb
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2017-03-26T07:19:29 < stm32> yeah phase shift
2017-03-26T07:22:39 < stm32> all i know is you can use slower devices as there are no narrow pulses
2017-03-26T07:23:48 < Peter_M> eyyooo
2017-03-26T07:24:37 < Peter_M> at higher powers zcs/zvs is essential otherwise switching losses are stupid high
2017-03-26T07:24:55 < Peter_M> also allows slower switching so less emi
2017-03-26T07:26:29 < stm32> the less emi thing attracted me
2017-03-26T07:34:55 < stm32> cats are cool too
2017-03-26T07:36:56 < stm32> http://i.imgur.com/0PFBXXS.png
2017-03-26T07:38:20 < Peter_M> noice shop
2017-03-26T07:38:30 < Peter_M> meeds some work on the leg
2017-03-26T07:38:35 < Peter_M> but otherwise pretty decent
2017-03-26T07:39:22 < stm32> hah
2017-03-26T07:40:46 < stm32> what if i posted it in #gnu
2017-03-26T07:41:03 < jadew> where's that?
2017-03-26T07:41:09 < jadew> how do I get there?
2017-03-26T07:41:15 < stm32> on freenode
2017-03-26T07:41:23 < stm32> the official channel for GNU
2017-03-26T07:41:27 < jadew> not #gnu
2017-03-26T07:41:33 < jadew> the place in the picture
2017-03-26T07:41:36 < stm32> oh idk then
2017-03-26T07:41:41 < stm32> sexpo or some shit
2017-03-26T07:42:17 < jadew> ah, if it has sex in its name, I can't go
2017-03-26T07:42:24 < stm32> ok
2017-03-26T07:42:25 < englishman> freeuse expo
2017-03-26T07:42:41 < jadew> I could go there
2017-03-26T07:42:43 < stm32> the four essential freedoms
2017-03-26T07:46:18 < jadew> so who's that chick?
2017-03-26T07:46:28 < stm32> i don't know
2017-03-26T07:46:41 < stm32> porn actress
2017-03-26T07:46:44 < jadew> if it's some kind of porn convention, she's probably online
2017-03-26T07:46:50 < stm32> go hunting
2017-03-26T07:47:27 < jadew> yeah, slim chances of finding anything
2017-03-26T07:47:36 < stm32> why would you want to
2017-03-26T07:47:36 < jadew> so many porn stars these days
2017-03-26T07:47:46 < jadew> don't know, why not?
2017-03-26T07:48:02 < stm32> shes looks like an overgrown meat wallet
2017-03-26T07:48:07 < jadew> haha
2017-03-26T07:48:55 < stm32> dunno what shes gonna do after anal prolapse
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2017-03-26T07:51:41 < jadew> not anal?
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2017-03-26T07:55:18 < stm32> lol
2017-03-26T07:58:13 < ohsix> sb end
2017-03-26T07:59:08 < ohsix> jadew: who, this? https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/845808038191792128
2017-03-26T08:05:19 < jadew> ohsix, what does that chick do? only attention whoring on twitter?
2017-03-26T08:07:05 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a library from STM or some other that I can use for SWO debugging on M7?
2017-03-26T08:08:12 < jadew> I'm off to bed o/
2017-03-26T08:14:38 < stm32> O/
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2017-03-26T08:34:18 < stm32> yip
2017-03-26T08:37:03 < ColdKeyboard> Okay, I've gotten printf to work and I can see it on STM32 ST-LINK Utility printing, but how do I configure OpenOCD to display it inside eclipse?
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2017-03-26T08:54:51 < ohsix> jadew: i haven't figured it out yet, seems genuine but very weird
2017-03-26T08:55:03 < ohsix> she's nto dumb
2017-03-26T08:55:22 < ohsix> she's got lots of pastebins to deal with shit people say about her appearance
2017-03-26T08:55:55 < ohsix> that joke is actually solid as shit, she's weird; followed her to see wtf the deal was
2017-03-26T08:56:25 < ohsix> she's got a body like a bag full of antlers
2017-03-26T08:56:43 < ohsix> she mostly trolls make magazine, the pi foundation, adafruit
2017-03-26T08:59:56 < ohsix> hyperbolic too
2017-03-26T09:00:02 < ohsix> calls herself the only something something in china
2017-03-26T09:00:09 < ohsix> it's definitely weird
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2017-03-26T10:30:40 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/Q6Z7Sk1.jpg
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2017-03-26T10:48:25 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/EDlN6PO.gifv
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2017-03-26T12:30:28 < dongs> dongs
2017-03-26T12:32:15 < dongs> amazing stuff there upgrdman
2017-03-26T12:35:11 < karlp> zano 2.0? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kudrone-4k-camera-nano-drone-with-gps-auto-follow-drone#/
2017-03-26T12:37:50 < Steffanx>  MoneyGoGone. ;)
2017-03-26T12:39:03 < Steffanx> Like that other moneygogo project that failed with 1.1M. But cant remember which one.
2017-03-26T12:42:42 < mtbg> 4k
2017-03-26T12:42:59 < mtbg> they will have to write directly in machine code on the pic32
2017-03-26T12:43:01 < mtbg> to achieve this
2017-03-26T12:45:18 < Steffanx> Custom firmware for the lantronix wifi module too?
2017-03-26T12:45:57 < dongs> karlp: old, yeah, not even zano tho, just chink $30 shitcopter with QVGA cam
2017-03-26T12:46:06 < dongs> they all "do" those things now that they claim
2017-03-26T12:46:09 < dongs> except super shittily
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2017-03-26T15:18:05 < dongs> Do not keep the LCD panel with its operation in the condition while the backlight is turned off
2017-03-26T15:18:08 < dongs> because there is a possibility that the panel is charged up and may cause MURA.
2017-03-26T15:18:13 < dongs> ???
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2017-03-26T15:48:08 < Laurenceb_> http://www.panhost.xyz/public/Whats+that+sound_518b3e_6063417.jpg
2017-03-26T15:49:24 < dongs> Laurenceb_: you might like this < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/Q6Z7Sk1.jpg
2017-03-26T15:50:24 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: raid link
2017-03-26T15:50:25 < ReadError> bruv
2017-03-26T16:00:34 < dongs> still looking for general purpose RF thing that does 5.x ghz band
2017-03-26T16:00:35 < dongs> instead of 2.4
2017-03-26T16:00:40 < dongs> why doesnt this exist
2017-03-26T16:09:28 < ReadError> like a 5.8ghz ESP?
2017-03-26T16:09:38 < Steffanx> more like NRF58
2017-03-26T16:09:39 < dongs> like a 5.8ghz nRF24L
2017-03-26T16:09:40 < dongs> or wahtever
2017-03-26T16:09:43 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-26T16:10:06 < ReadError> i meant the idea or w/e
2017-03-26T16:10:22 < ReadError> tru not see anything like
2017-03-26T16:10:34 < ReadError> maybe since ISM bands?
2017-03-26T16:10:35 < dongs> ESP is wifi, i dont want wifi
2017-03-26T16:10:40 < dongs> 5.8 is ISM
2017-03-26T16:10:42 < dongs> as well
2017-03-26T16:10:59 < dongs> i want ask/fsk, simple modulations
2017-03-26T16:12:24 < Steffanx> All the existing modules are AV only right?
2017-03-26T16:12:47 < dongs> you mean... 5.8ghz video shits?
2017-03-26T16:12:49 < dongs> like chink wahtever
2017-03-26T16:13:04 < ReadError> richwave rtc67xx
2017-03-26T16:13:05 < dongs> good question but yeah i think so
2017-03-26T16:13:06 < ReadError> or w/e
2017-03-26T16:13:43 < dongs> yeah 5.8ghz FM trnasmitter
2017-03-26T16:13:49 < dongs> thats just fm, and wideband
2017-03-26T16:15:16 < Steffanx> Its that or probably wifi only i guess.
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2017-03-26T16:20:07 < englishman> dongs http://i.imgur.com/lLqAgoE.jpg
2017-03-26T16:20:20 < dongs> is that to collect vomit
2017-03-26T16:20:22 < dongs> from sickdongs
2017-03-26T16:20:38 < englishman> its to keep him from licking his dick off
2017-03-26T16:20:41 < ReadError> so they cant scratch or lick
2017-03-26T16:20:42 < dongs> nice
2017-03-26T16:21:43 < englishman> napping now after his morning opiates
2017-03-26T16:22:00 < dongs> haha cemufags are pulling in 24k a month
2017-03-26T16:22:04 < dongs>  to do almost nothing
2017-03-26T16:22:06 < dongs> thanks to zelda fags
2017-03-26T16:22:25 < dongs> that sweet patreon scam
2017-03-26T16:23:02 < englishman> I upgraded octoprint after like 9 months, no changes
2017-03-26T16:23:08 < englishman> dat patreon
2017-03-26T16:23:20 < dongs> whats octoprint
2017-03-26T16:23:28 < dongs> oh 3d wank
2017-03-26T16:23:48 < dongs> https://www.patreon.com/foosel
2017-03-26T16:23:57 < dongs> Gina Haugge?
2017-03-26T16:23:58 < englishman> yea
2017-03-26T16:23:59 < dongs> is that a m2f?
2017-03-26T16:24:06 < ReadError> "Gina"
2017-03-26T16:24:07 < ReadError> lol
2017-03-26T16:24:07 < englishman> well German so you never know
2017-03-26T16:24:17 < englishman> leather pants conceal all
2017-03-26T16:26:05 < Steffanx> Gina Häußge actually.
2017-03-26T16:26:40 < Steffanx> but now i know.. and i was so happy i had no clue what you were rambling about.
2017-03-26T16:26:56 < dongs> Gina Hugh Mongous
2017-03-26T16:27:00 < dongs> Hugh wat
2017-03-26T16:27:02 < dongs> Hugh wat
2017-03-26T16:27:48 < Steffanx> Laurie.
2017-03-26T16:27:56 < dongs> yeah thats a dude name
2017-03-26T16:28:00 < dongs> in some shit euro coutntries
2017-03-26T16:28:08 < dongs> forget which one
2017-03-26T16:28:18 < Steffanx> Not euro.. not after Brexit.
2017-03-26T16:28:22 < dongs> snort
2017-03-26T16:30:44 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubrg0J03UdI this video never gets old
2017-03-26T16:30:47 < dongs> fucking so lol
2017-03-26T16:31:39 < Steffanx> First timer.
2017-03-26T16:31:48 < dongs> youve not seen it?
2017-03-26T16:32:21 < Steffanx> nein.
2017-03-26T16:32:37 < dongs> the lols is at 0.50+
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2017-03-26T16:37:34 < florolf_> hi
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2017-03-26T16:40:14 < dongs> hi
2017-03-26T16:42:23 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-03-26T16:42:48 < Laurenceb_> I haven't seen any ISM band transceiver style devices for 5.8GHz :(
2017-03-26T16:43:03  * Laurenceb_ was looking at 24GHz ISM band recently :P
2017-03-26T16:43:10 < Laurenceb_> lots of bandwidth there
2017-03-26T16:43:50 < Emil> Laurenceb_: wlan
2017-03-26T16:43:55 < Emil> 802.11
2017-03-26T16:44:02 < dongs> ..
2017-03-26T16:44:12 < karlp> Laurenceb_: not for long
2017-03-26T16:44:18 < Laurenceb_> Emil: I mean something you can stick raw data in and get 2FSK packets
2017-03-26T16:44:21 < karlp> not with all these radar shits all over the place
2017-03-26T16:44:43 < Laurenceb_> karlp: google loon were also planning to use it for loon backhaul
2017-03-26T16:45:05 < Laurenceb_> once they got some sanity and decided not to do all optical networking
2017-03-26T16:45:41 < Emil> Laurenceb_: you prolly get better perf with sending raw 801.22 frames and hardware than with some custom thing
2017-03-26T16:48:21 < mtbg> Laurenceb_: https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Atmel%20PDFs/ATR2820.pdf
2017-03-26T16:48:47 < dongs> saw that
2017-03-26T16:48:51 < dongs> doesnt exist
2017-03-26T16:49:03 < dongs> this is a part from 2008 thats long obsolete
2017-03-26T16:49:29 < dongs> plus its still not waht i want
2017-03-26T16:51:51 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/hyperloop/comments/5qx8h7/why_are_speeds_so_slow/dd7suei/
2017-03-26T16:51:59 < Laurenceb_> failing at failing
2017-03-26T16:52:44 < Steffanx> Says roccoon guy.
2017-03-26T16:52:49 < Steffanx> horse telemetry guy.
2017-03-26T16:52:59 < Steffanx> crappifilly guy.
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2017-03-26T16:53:03 < Laurenceb_> they both work
2017-03-26T16:53:07 < Steffanx> "work".
2017-03-26T16:53:13 < Laurenceb_> crapillary refill isnt my idea
2017-03-26T16:53:18 < Laurenceb_> I'm paid to do it
2017-03-26T16:53:20 < mtbg> dongs: http://www.rfmd.com/store/downloads/dl/file/id/28174/application_note_rffc5071a_in_ism_band_shift_applications.pdf
2017-03-26T16:53:38 < mtbg> make your own 5.8GHz transceiver out of 2.4
2017-03-26T16:53:58 < dongs> mtbg: heh
2017-03-26T16:54:35 < englishman> lol that vid
2017-03-26T16:54:41 < dongs> hugh?
2017-03-26T16:55:04 < englishman> how dare u
2017-03-26T16:55:16 < englishman> usa sounds like a wonderful utopia
2017-03-26T16:59:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/4oDiQMq.png any idea what that chip is
2017-03-26T16:59:29 < dongs> or that logo
2017-03-26T17:00:06 < englishman> looks like motorola
2017-03-26T17:00:08 < mtbg> https://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX2850.pdf https://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX2852.pdf
2017-03-26T17:00:15 < mtbg> separate tx and rx
2017-03-26T17:00:28 < englishman> but they dont make anything smaller than dip28
2017-03-26T17:00:42 < dongs> mtbg: those are broadband shits
2017-03-26T17:00:48 < dongs> no modulations
2017-03-26T17:00:58 < dongs> input/output = IQ
2017-03-26T17:01:02 < mtbg> yep
2017-03-26T17:01:06 < dongs> ya thats useless.
2017-03-26T17:01:11 < mtbg> so you can do anything you wish
2017-03-26T17:01:16 < mtbg> with dac/adcs
2017-03-26T17:01:54 < englishman> thats pretty far from nrf58
2017-03-26T17:02:06 < mtbg> but how versatile
2017-03-26T17:02:21 < englishman> dongs theres a canadian columbine re-imagining https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhplhhnvPQs
2017-03-26T17:02:26 < englishman> pretty good
2017-03-26T17:02:33 < mtbg> just analog parts and you can stream video on 5GHz
2017-03-26T17:02:38 < dongs> so a $500 bom vs $0.5 bom < mtbg
2017-03-26T17:07:38 < dongs> englishman: cool
2017-03-26T17:07:54 < englishman> i kno rite
2017-03-26T17:07:57 < englishman> and a single shot
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2017-03-26T17:12:14 < Laurenceb_> ADHDloop
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2017-03-26T19:33:04 < englishman> https://gfycat.com/IdioticBlackandwhiteGermanshepherd
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2017-03-26T19:35:54 < Steffanx> is that yours mr englishman?
2017-03-26T19:35:59 < englishman> negative
2017-03-26T19:36:04 < Steffanx> too bad.
2017-03-26T19:36:26 < englishman> this one is http://i.imgur.com/A3qfNFV.jpg
2017-03-26T19:38:20 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/ROiZ4ye.jpg
2017-03-26T19:40:40 < Steffanx> i want a cat with this print englishman: http://bestmobs.com/html/uploads/Bengal-cat.jpg
2017-03-26T19:40:49 < Steffanx> Make me one.
2017-03-26T19:42:23 < englishman> http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/armor-coat-fluroescent-blaze-orange-spray-paint-312-g-0480602p.html#srp
2017-03-26T19:44:17 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-26T19:44:36 < Steffanx> I wouldnt order from .ca anyway. Beaver post is slow.
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2017-03-26T19:56:44 < tpw_rules> https://community.st.com/message/152453 if anyone wants a go
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2017-03-26T20:01:49 < Steffanx> What is it tpw_rules? Have to login.
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2017-03-26T20:01:55 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: 
2017-03-26T20:02:00 < tpw_rules> oops idk why i just said your name
2017-03-26T20:02:00 < tpw_rules> sec
2017-03-26T20:02:24 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: https://i.imgur.com/CseutRA.png and the link: https://community.st.com/external-link.jspa?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQ1w9Eq5.png
2017-03-26T20:02:34 < tpw_rules> ugh i meant https://i.imgur.com/Q1w9Eq5.png
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2017-03-26T20:09:47 < Steffanx> Did you also read AN2834 tpw_rules? It has a nice chapter about the different kind of ADC errors.
2017-03-26T20:10:21 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: i briefly read through it and yeah it describes how they affect the final figure. but i'm hoping i can get that final figure and not have to think
2017-03-26T20:11:00 < Steffanx> Better not make your brains hurt indeed :P
2017-03-26T20:12:12 < tpw_rules> i mean like it straight up says "you can't add these errors together lol"
2017-03-26T20:13:49 < tpw_rules> but if the error is 2LSB, it means that for a figure of 10, it could read as 8, 9, 10, 11, or 12 rght
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2017-03-26T20:39:02 < Steffanx> The entire video is actually out there too somewhere, but that's not really ##stm32-ware R2COM.
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2017-03-26T20:57:37 < englishman> does clive1 use the new forum?
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2017-03-26T21:04:09 < englishman> tpw_rules: i think you may be overcomplicating this
2017-03-26T21:04:13 < englishman> what's the original question again?
2017-03-26T21:04:22 < englishman> 10 bit resolution sounds pretty decent
2017-03-26T21:04:37 < tpw_rules> englishman: sure, but what measurement error is that?
2017-03-26T21:04:52 < englishman> if your vref is 3v3 then its 3.3/1024
2017-03-26T21:04:53 < englishman> volts
2017-03-26T21:04:58 < tpw_rules> i need to be able to say "the number i measured is accurate to 1%, or ±50"
2017-03-26T21:05:00 < tpw_rules> yeah but it's not always
2017-03-26T21:05:10 < tpw_rules> cause there's like 10 different sources of error
2017-03-26T21:05:26 < tpw_rules> or is that true? that since it's a 12 bit adc, the 10 bit minimum usable figure guarantees that?
2017-03-26T21:05:52 < englishman> uh yeah thats how i see it
2017-03-26T21:06:04 < englishman> assuming you also have a decent power supply etc
2017-03-26T21:06:09 < tpw_rules> well yeah
2017-03-26T21:07:12 < englishman> how much precision do you need
2017-03-26T21:08:11 < tpw_rules> i mean more precision is better. 10 bits should be good. i just need to be able to correctly quantify how much precision i have
2017-03-26T21:09:05 < englishman> 1% error is closer to having 7 bits precision than 10
2017-03-26T21:09:23 < tpw_rules> well the problem is sensor response is nonlinear
2017-03-26T21:09:42 < tpw_rules> those weren't my requirements, they were just examples
2017-03-26T21:09:42 < englishman> sure but if that really matters to you then you use an ADC you can better qualify
2017-03-26T21:10:08 < englishman> ah
2017-03-26T21:10:47 < englishman> anyone tried the V9 jlink clones yet
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2017-03-26T21:22:59 < Steffanx> We dont do clones here englishman. Only the real deal. Damn you.
2017-03-26T21:24:12 < branjb> i'm a clone
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2017-03-26T21:27:58 < Steffanx> interesting branjb
2017-03-26T21:28:37 < branjb> openscad is pretty sweet
2017-03-26T21:28:50 < branjb> reminds me of Logos on old apple II's from elementry school
2017-03-26T21:30:34 < Rickta59> do you have openscad running on an stm32 branjb ?
2017-03-26T21:30:50 < Rickta59> or are you making a logos robot with an stm32?
2017-03-26T21:33:13 < branjb> i'm making a pan/tilt assembly with an stm32 controlling it
2017-03-26T21:33:18 < branjb> using openscad to make the gears
2017-03-26T21:33:25 < Rickta59> nice
2017-03-26T21:33:34 < Rickta59> so not turtle?
2017-03-26T21:34:11 < branjb> haha
2017-03-26T21:34:19 < branjb> i'm surprised you've heard of Logos
2017-03-26T21:34:25 < branjb> no one I bring that up to anymore has heard of it
2017-03-26T21:34:27 < Rickta59> i'm old
2017-03-26T21:34:52 < branjb> i was just old/young enough to use Apple II's in elementry school
2017-03-26T21:35:29 < Rickta59> i could never afford an apple ii
2017-03-26T21:35:56 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/UMPCK
2017-03-26T21:36:07 < branjb> those gears were from openscad
2017-03-26T21:36:28 < Rickta59> it is great for stuff like that
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2017-03-26T21:37:05 < Steffanx> So what did you eat after that branjb?
2017-03-26T21:39:32 < Steffanx> (re the cook book under it :P ) 
2017-03-26T21:39:58 < Rickta59> interesting i though logo was an MIT thing but I see that it was a BBN invention
2017-03-26T21:40:00 < englishman> looks like a chinese takeout menu
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2017-03-26T21:40:11 < zyp> yeah
2017-03-26T21:40:25 < zyp> asian takeout for sure
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2017-03-26T21:40:31 < englishman> Logo the turtle drawing program?
2017-03-26T21:40:37 < Steffanx> oh a menu ofcourse. I heardly do asian.
2017-03-26T21:40:40 < Steffanx> *hardly
2017-03-26T21:40:56 < Rickta59> yeah turtle graphics
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2017-03-26T23:04:45 < branjb> Steffanx: it was chinese take out on friday
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2017-03-26T23:15:02 < Steffanx> :P
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2017-03-26T23:48:02 < karlp> englishman: what's on tap?
2017-03-26T23:48:08  * karlp finally brewed again today
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2017-03-26T23:50:11 < englishman> karlp: left is english bitter, right is a smokey porter
2017-03-26T23:50:16 < englishman> yum, what's cookin
2017-03-26T23:51:50  * karlp made up something.
2017-03-26T23:52:15 < karlp> pale/vienna with a little bit of wheat, some perle and then a pile of green bullet.
2017-03-26T23:52:23 < karlp> something pale aleish.
2017-03-26T23:52:38 < karlp> still no taps at the new house though :|
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2017-03-26T23:56:16 < englishman> we haven't used the hops we grew last year yet
2017-03-26T23:56:19 < englishman> but its time
2017-03-26T23:57:07 < karlp> heh, I've got a pound of crystal and a poujnd of a target from I think 2015 I've not even opened yet.
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2017-03-26T23:57:14 < karlp> not brewing as much as i used to.,
2017-03-26T23:57:28 < karlp> and without taps, and with kids, not as many people loitering around our house at all hours helpign drinking it all
2017-03-26T23:59:00 < englishman> yeah kids ruin everything
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2017-03-27T00:02:01 < karlp> need to find a suitable mini fridge like that.
2017-03-27T00:02:13 < karlp> have a cupboard in the kitchen that should work to get a tower on top.
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2017-03-27T00:23:34 < sync_> just put the keg in the cellar
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2017-03-27T00:29:02 < karlp> what cellar?
2017-03-27T00:31:05 < Peter_M> and even i you had one karlp, wouldnt it p-ossibly be quite warm?
2017-03-27T00:48:18 < englishman> this fridge was a $50 Craigslist find iirc
2017-03-27T00:50:17 < karlp> Peter_M: in summer probably.
2017-03-27T00:50:37 < karlp> I actually prepared the kegs for our aus day beach party by just leaving them out the back door and hoping they didn't freeze.
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2017-03-27T01:57:33 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/NeHUHO7?r
2017-03-27T02:00:31 < Steffanx> How long have you been browsing imgur upgrdman? 2015? :P
2017-03-27T02:00:53 < upgrdman> Steffanx, hmm prolly since 2012 or 2013
2017-03-27T02:01:27 < Steffanx> i meant that you found something back from 2015. Must have been a few 1000  clicks/slides.
2017-03-27T02:05:16 < kakimir> I ate too much pizza
2017-03-27T02:05:26 < kakimir> now I have food paralysis
2017-03-27T02:07:09 < Steffanx> Too much pizza.. as in more than one whole pizza?
2017-03-27T02:07:51 < kakimir> I started with a hot dog
2017-03-27T02:08:09 < kakimir> I wasn't even that hungry
2017-03-27T02:08:16 < kakimir> but I'm creedy
2017-03-27T02:09:45 < kakimir> I was like I didn't come here to eat just a hot dog
2017-03-27T02:10:31 < Steffanx> Could have gotten a 2nd hot dog.
2017-03-27T02:13:22 < kakimir> true
2017-03-27T02:32:12 < kakimir> you are very wise Steffanx 
2017-03-27T02:32:23 < Steffanx> Im not.
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2017-03-27T02:33:07 < Steffanx> Got your stuff together new boB_K7IQ? 
2017-03-27T02:33:10 < Steffanx> *now
2017-03-27T02:39:09 < ohsix> ReadError: onered33 & directimports1899 are the same person
2017-03-27T02:40:25 < ohsix> got two different packages with the same name ordered at really different times, same package same everything
2017-03-27T02:42:15 < boB_K7IQ> Im getting myself together Steffanx !
2017-03-27T02:43:08 < boB_K7IQ> Oh, you mean the RS485 stuff ?  I can transmit and I can receive   BUT I can't seem to do both just yet...  I think it has to do with the RE and !DE lines timing
2017-03-27T02:43:20 < Steffanx> nah you seems to join and quit with an Excess Flood quite regularly boB_K7IQ
2017-03-27T02:44:37 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/InnocentImpureIberiannase
2017-03-27T02:46:46 < boB_K7IQ> Oh, well I'm not doing anything myself
2017-03-27T02:47:22 < boB_K7IQ> I don't know why that would be happening.  I am usine Icechat and I just installed the latest one to see if it helps that at all
2017-03-27T02:47:39 < boB_K7IQ> Have you seen that problem in the last 15 minutes Steffanx ?
2017-03-27T02:48:10 < boB_K7IQ> I don't see anybody joining or leaving because I have that set to show up on console
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2017-03-27T02:49:58 < ohsix> lizzo more like jizzo
2017-03-27T02:50:38 < Steffanx> ohsix more like ohsex?
2017-03-27T02:54:03 < boB_K7IQ> What clients do you guys use ?
2017-03-27T02:56:31 < englishman> is Steffanx always up til 2am on a sunday night
2017-03-27T02:56:34 < englishman> what a gangsta
2017-03-27T02:57:00 < Steffanx> no brother, but .. holiday.
2017-03-27T02:59:24 < englishman> cool, where are you going
2017-03-27T02:59:48 < englishman> or do you plan to stay in your apartment with the blinds closed and play LoL
2017-03-27T02:59:48 < Steffanx> ok let me rephrase: I have a week off.
2017-03-27T02:59:51 < englishman> no judgement
2017-03-27T03:00:03 < ohsix> https://jonbenjaminjazzdaredevil.bandcamp.com/
2017-03-27T03:00:05 < Steffanx> i dont lay lol.
2017-03-27T03:00:08 < Steffanx> play
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2017-03-27T03:01:15 < stroopwafel> g'day fokes
2017-03-27T03:01:27 < stroopwafel> englishman: want a bite?
2017-03-27T03:02:54 < Steffanx> and i have to get at least once out to get new stroopwafels, englishman.
2017-03-27T03:04:02 < englishman>  - Steffan's Grocery List -
2017-03-27T03:04:08 < englishman> [ ] stroopwafel
2017-03-27T03:04:29 < stroopwafel> meow!
2017-03-27T03:04:36 < stroopwafel> HI STEFFAN
2017-03-27T03:04:50 < Steffanx> and then we had this daylight saving time adjustment. So actually it's only 1AM
2017-03-27T03:05:18 < Steffanx> You ruine the taste of stroopwafels, fix your nick stroopwafel.
2017-03-27T03:05:44 < stroopwafel> fine
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2017-03-27T03:06:20 < Steffanx> vegemite. lol
2017-03-27T03:06:28 < vegemite-toast> when i get factory i give you shipping address
2017-03-27T03:06:36 < vegemite-toast> i must sample the finest variety of stroopwafel
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2017-03-27T03:17:18 < englishman> mmm vegemite
2017-03-27T03:18:04 < Steffanx> never had it and probably never will
2017-03-27T03:19:04 < vegemite-toast> analysing schematics
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2017-03-27T03:38:29 < Laurenceb_> Science, not even once. Science is the process by which male logic uses its penis (reason) to rape nature (female) and impregnate it, causing it to give birth to the mutant rape babies we know as "Facts".
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2017-03-27T03:48:06 < vegemite-toast> yeah that's true
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2017-03-27T03:50:50 < englishman> TSC sure is easy as hell to use
2017-03-27T03:50:52 < englishman> thanks to HAL
2017-03-27T03:51:18 < englishman> thats not a bad tagline
2017-03-27T03:51:21 < englishman> easy as HAL
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2017-03-27T05:32:17 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-27T05:32:59 < ohsix> any clever ideas about how to capture phase of piezo sensorshits
2017-03-27T05:33:25 < ohsix> thinking filtering the noise < 3khz will work and just using the first edge, enough gain to slam it to logic high
2017-03-27T05:33:31 < ohsix> then zero crossing if needed
2017-03-27T05:42:49 < branjb> finished my differential pan/tilt project
2017-03-27T05:42:50 < branjb> https://vid.me/oWgM
2017-03-27T05:43:02 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/pc88b
2017-03-27T05:43:18 < branjb> now to implement the firmware
2017-03-27T05:44:54 < branjb> i need to add a slip ring for the camera too
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2017-03-27T05:58:10 < ohsix> nice, wats it for
2017-03-27T05:58:36 < ohsix> 3d printing sucks so much
2017-03-27T05:59:01 < ohsix> did this in about 10 minutes and that was cool tho http://i.imgur.com/XNkKmOF.jpg
2017-03-27T05:59:37 < ohsix> most of the time figuring out how to get the reference plane i wanted in solvespace
2017-03-27T05:59:44 < ohsix> but you don't have to if you use assemblies
2017-03-27T06:00:36 < branjb> yeah it took forever to print 
2017-03-27T06:00:59 < branjb> it's a prototype for a senior design project
2017-03-27T06:01:04 < ohsix> ic ic
2017-03-27T06:01:09 < branjb> what is that for?
2017-03-27T06:01:19 < ohsix> you know the radio shack robot arm from back in the day has a mechanism like that
2017-03-27T06:01:46 < ohsix> eh i just modeled the motor mounts to see how they act mounted 90deg from eachother, they'll eventually be on a puck shaped robot of some description
2017-03-27T06:02:13 < branjb> ah
2017-03-27T06:02:17 < ohsix> all of the 'precision' stuff i tried to do before was kind of fail, i just did this with caliper measurements and it fit the motor really well and stuff
2017-03-27T06:03:14 < ohsix> can see how 3d printed quad frames would actually work, etc
2017-03-27T06:03:20 < branjb> yeah i'm a really shit example of doing things right though
2017-03-27T06:03:36 < ohsix> what doesn't work great is fitting dimensional metal and other off the shelf stuff lul
2017-03-27T06:03:38 < branjb> even with calipers so many parts took 2-3 reprints
2017-03-27T06:03:51 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-27T06:04:01 < ohsix> what kind of errors?
2017-03-27T06:04:23 < branjb> mostly spacing errors / holes wrong size / gears too far apart
2017-03-27T06:04:32 < ohsix> i really don't like when people just say to turn the flow rate down 3% or something, it's indicative of another problem, that had i known i would have fixed or watever
2017-03-27T06:04:34 < ohsix> oic
2017-03-27T06:04:41 < branjb> i had it all modeled as an assembly in inventor before printing it but it didn't translate to real life as well
2017-03-27T06:04:55 < branjb> tolerances on 3D printed holes aren't too great
2017-03-27T06:05:04 < ohsix> inner chords or generally?
2017-03-27T06:05:12 < ohsix> the plastic in tight inner rings will shrink a lot
2017-03-27T06:05:13 < branjb> well
2017-03-27T06:05:15 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-27T06:05:18 < branjb> i had 608 bearings
2017-03-27T06:05:46 < branjb> had to use like .878 inches for the diameter
2017-03-27T06:06:12 < ohsix> thing that bugged me a lot when i had real work to do was the infill being uniform across the plate, but each plated part being dependent on where it was, because of the infill
2017-03-27T06:06:28 < ohsix> there were artifacts from corners in the infill that sucked
2017-03-27T06:06:51 < branjb> this turret project i deviated a lot to really refine my 3D printing technique too
2017-03-27T06:07:00 < ohsix> werd
2017-03-27T06:07:23 < branjb> rebuilt my extruder, got a new slicer and started refining settings, added a PEI bed to my printer
2017-03-27T06:07:27 < branjb> the PEI makes a huge different
2017-03-27T06:07:28 < ohsix> the herringbone gears i've seen that radius usually have fewer teeth
2017-03-27T06:07:57 < ohsix> you don't get much mor eengagement for having them finer
2017-03-27T06:08:37 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-27T06:08:56 < branjb> this prototype was more to test the design idea and make sure we could get the motion needed
2017-03-27T06:09:17 < branjb> i thinking sourcing herringbone gears of this size won't be cheap
2017-03-27T06:10:42 < branjb> prob will use spur gears instead
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2017-03-27T06:14:30 < ohsix> werd
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2017-03-27T06:14:40 < dongs> autism
2017-03-27T06:14:53 < branjb> autism is way underrated
2017-03-27T06:15:26 < ohsix> 3d printing it was probably a distraction :D if you were looking at off the shelf gears you'd have most of the constraints at a given cost already
2017-03-27T06:17:22 < dongs> you chatting to y ourself for the last 30 mins is def atuism
2017-03-27T06:21:17 < branjb> i was reading /pol/ too
2017-03-27T06:24:13 < dongs> ~Warning: your answer to this screening question will affect your bid ranking
2017-03-27T06:24:14 < dongs> The employer for this project has requested you answer a custom screening question. Providing a relevant answer will help you maintain a good bid ranking. Learn more.
2017-03-27T06:24:17 < dongs> lol
2017-03-27T06:24:22 < dongs> freecancer finally added something against automatic bids
2017-03-27T06:24:36 < branjb> lol
2017-03-27T06:25:05 < branjb> is there ever any worthwhile work on freelancer
2017-03-27T06:25:09 < dongs> no
2017-03-27T06:25:10 < dongs> never
2017-03-27T06:25:12 < dongs> only trolling
2017-03-27T06:25:29 < dongs> some guy wanted 10/100/1000 ethernet, 3G-SDI video input and output into rageberry pi for $150
2017-03-27T06:25:34 < branjb> i always see stuff like "build and maintain an iOS app for me i have a great idea" $20, then the description is actually like 200+ hours of work
2017-03-27T06:25:40 < branjb> lol
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2017-03-27T06:27:10 < branjb> "I work with embedded systems mainly: - Arduino development boards"
2017-03-27T06:27:25 < branjb> Freelancer in Lagos, Nigeria
2017-03-27T06:31:30 < branjb> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Write-some-software-13515652/
2017-03-27T06:33:29 < dongs> haah
2017-03-27T06:33:39 < branjb> wow
2017-03-27T06:33:44 < branjb> some of these guys have 500+ reviews
2017-03-27T06:33:50 < branjb> do people really make a living of freelancer?
2017-03-27T06:33:56 < dongs> indians must
2017-03-27T06:33:59 < dongs> tho i dont see how
2017-03-27T06:34:02 < dongs> if its $30/project
2017-03-27T06:34:22 < Rickta59> they take the jobs and outsource them to people who make even less
2017-03-27T06:34:24 < branjb> someone in one of my classes paid some indian dude $20 to write him a multithreaded quicksort for an assignment
2017-03-27T06:37:39 < englishman> for $30/month you get a whole team of pakis copypasting sores from github to get your project done
2017-03-27T06:40:53 < branjb> are there any good keywords to find jobs that are students posting really easy homework assignments?
2017-03-27T06:41:09 < Thorn> my dma driver for ws2812b is a fail. http://imgur.com/oC9dRMb this green is not supposed to be there
2017-03-27T06:41:57 < Thorn> I even tried inverting the direction as recommended in AN4031 4.9.1
2017-03-27T06:42:22 < englishman> apparently windows 10 sets system time by reading timestamps out of ssl packets
2017-03-27T06:42:24 < Thorn> still dma streams randomly stop
2017-03-27T06:45:08 < branjb> dongs: does freelancer get a cut of bids?
2017-03-27T06:45:26 < Rickta59> maybe you could get it working by submitting a freelance jobs Thorn 
2017-03-27T06:45:30 < branjb> lol
2017-03-27T06:45:54 < Rickta59> i talked to someone in here who has a working ws281x driver
2017-03-27T06:46:37 < Thorn> I have one too but it's only 1 channel
2017-03-27T06:47:06 < Thorn> the idea behind a dma to gpio driver is to drive up to 16 channels for free
2017-03-27T06:47:33 < dongs> branjb: of course
2017-03-27T06:48:22 < Thorn> perhaps I should just use a cheap cpld and [Q]SPI color data into it
2017-03-27T06:48:31 < Rickta59> there ya go
2017-03-27T06:49:00 < Rickta59> or one of those cypress chips that costs like $1
2017-03-27T06:50:15 < dongs> nice. got a chinese oscillator spec
2017-03-27T06:50:21 < dongs> storage temp: -20-70C
2017-03-27T06:50:26 < dongs> operating temp: -40-85C
2017-03-27T06:50:29 < dongs> ???
2017-03-27T06:50:39 < Rickta59> osciallator spec?
2017-03-27T06:52:29 < branjb> dongs, you think i could post a freelance job saying "make me a site that takes a 10% cut of profit and offers random shit that people spend money on" ?
2017-03-27T06:53:00 < dongs> probably
2017-03-27T06:53:03 < dongs> and some paki will do it
2017-03-27T06:53:03 < dongs> shrug
2017-03-27T06:53:20 < englishman> pakigogo
2017-03-27T06:54:11 < branjb> can i sub contract on freelancer?
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2017-03-27T07:10:21 < dongs> you mean
2017-03-27T07:10:28 < dongs> you hire a paki
2017-03-27T07:10:31 < dongs> and paki hires some other paki
2017-03-27T07:10:32 < dongs> for less
2017-03-27T07:10:33 < dongs> to doyour work?
2017-03-27T07:10:37 < dongs> if so, i've totally seen that happen
2017-03-27T07:10:47 < dongs> infact they just copypaste the original job thing
2017-03-27T07:10:49 < dongs> change nothing
2017-03-27T07:10:56 < dongs> and open a new project with like $10-30 budget
2017-03-27T07:11:07 < dongs> and if text say shit like "see attachment" etc, those copy projects don't ahev teh attachments
2017-03-27T07:11:10 < dongs> so yo know its a paki copypaste
2017-03-27T07:23:20 < branjb> nice
2017-03-27T07:23:41 < branjb> is there any legal repercussions if you don't complete a job
2017-03-27T07:23:48 < branjb> or is it like kickstarter and gg
2017-03-27T07:27:08 < englishman> this is the internet bro
2017-03-27T07:27:53 < englishman> there are no repercussions 
2017-03-27T07:34:42 < dongs> the dude will not complete the job
2017-03-27T07:34:44 < dongs> you will get angry
2017-03-27T07:34:47 < dongs> you will repost it
2017-03-27T07:34:59 < dongs> with a text like "previous freelancer was really dumb so only QUALIFIED PEOPLE PLZ APPLY"
2017-03-27T07:35:03 < dongs> wiht same budget
2017-03-27T07:35:05 < dongs> and another paki will bid
2017-03-27T07:35:07 < dongs> and not complete it
2017-03-27T07:35:43 < dongs> vicious circle of paki incompetence
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2017-03-27T07:48:12 < stm32> lol
2017-03-27T07:52:24 < branjb> how is that different than irl?
2017-03-27T07:54:27 < stm32> paki scamshield
2017-03-27T07:54:36 < stm32> try chasing them...
2017-03-27T07:54:54 < stm32> $10,000 later you'll be no closer to getting your $30 back
2017-03-27T07:54:58 < branjb> lol
2017-03-27T07:55:38 < stm32> all while some nigerian spade is cheating your lonely grandmother out of $300,000
2017-03-27T08:00:43 < branjb> is there even a such thing as honest work?
2017-03-27T08:00:49 < stm32> depends
2017-03-27T08:01:08 < stm32> i've never had to lie to a client
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2017-03-27T08:18:05 < stm32> CRT
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2017-03-27T09:53:06 < dongs> blgoging
2017-03-27T09:55:44 < ohsix> sup
2017-03-27T09:55:57 < ohsix> need content, irc is losing
2017-03-27T09:58:54 < zyp> *yawn*
2017-03-27T09:58:58 < ohsix> hm wut
2017-03-27T09:58:59 < zyp> fucking daylight saving time
2017-03-27T09:59:06 < ohsix> hp prime calculator android thing is free now
2017-03-27T10:00:21 < ohsix> wtf is stingray horus
2017-03-27T10:00:25 < ohsix> and sandas
2017-03-27T10:00:38 < ohsix> zach fox is cryptic with
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2017-03-27T10:06:22 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/zackfox/status/801340374652506112
2017-03-27T10:13:28 < stm32> gooday fokes
2017-03-27T10:15:01 < stm32> welcome to the crtblog, a blog about changing capacitors and tactile switches
2017-03-27T10:15:51 < emeb_mac> huh - didn't know about that hp prime calc app
2017-03-27T10:16:00 < emeb_mac> even does RPN like a boss
2017-03-27T10:16:19 < emeb_mac> but screen is f'n tiny
2017-03-27T10:16:58 < stm32> rapin?
2017-03-27T10:18:25 < ohsix> yea
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2017-03-27T10:18:31 < ohsix> it's nice for free but a bit tough
2017-03-27T10:18:48 < stm32> sounds whack
2017-03-27T10:18:51 < ohsix> the way hp makes calculators now, it might be better than the real thing
2017-03-27T10:23:36 < dongs> true fucking story
2017-03-27T10:23:52 < emeb_mac> eh - I've got a new 35 - it's OK.
2017-03-27T10:23:53 < dongs> sent DXF data to a jap company to cut some shit
2017-03-27T10:24:02 < dongs> 3 days later get phone call
2017-03-27T10:24:08 < dongs> your data doesn't have dimensions for holes
2017-03-27T10:24:26 < dongs> i mean, i put up dimensions for like panel outline, just because
2017-03-27T10:24:34 < dongs> but come the fuck on, its dxf data. you load it up in any fucking cad
2017-03-27T10:24:37 < dongs> and your sizes are rigth tehre
2017-03-27T10:24:42 < emeb_mac> derp
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2017-03-27T10:25:24 < dongs> and this is from department that deals with custom milling/whatever orders ALL THE FUCKING TIME
2017-03-27T10:25:32 < ohsix> emeb_mac: is it heat staked together?
2017-03-27T10:25:34 < dongs> how the fuck can someone working there be so retarded
2017-03-27T10:25:52 < dongs> i mean, tehy have dxf outlines for download on their site
2017-03-27T10:25:59 < ohsix> h3h
2017-03-27T10:26:10 < dongs> and like $10 discount if you give CAD data instead of mspaint.exe or PDF
2017-03-27T10:26:16 < ohsix> holes usually have more documented than just the outline when you're having shit manufactured
2017-03-27T10:26:24 < emeb_mac> ohsix: might be - not screwed like ancient ones.
2017-03-27T10:26:35 < dongs> but it is retarded to expect dimensions on all the fucking things in the dxf when they can just go and measure it (and not like they even NEED to measure any of that shit just send it directly to CNC???
2017-03-27T10:26:36 < emeb_mac> more likely just plastic snaps
2017-03-27T10:26:46 < ohsix> emeb_mac: ya that's what i'm talking about huhu
2017-03-27T10:27:02 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Android/Design-Product-13530091/ branjb 
2017-03-27T10:27:09 < ohsix> cnc's don't accept dxf
2017-03-27T10:27:44 < emeb_mac> ohsix: I've got a collection of old ones - 41, 32s, 33s, 48, etc.
2017-03-27T10:27:53 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-27T10:28:14 < ohsix> i picked up the worst one ever at a charity store
2017-03-27T10:28:22 < ohsix> display didn't work, had to open it up, heat stakes
2017-03-27T10:28:33 < emeb_mac> the old ones were great - I had a 32s that I used for > 15 yrs. Was sad when the LCD cracked.
2017-03-27T10:28:37 < ohsix> it feels like shit when you hold it, twists horribly etc etc
2017-03-27T10:28:48 < emeb_mac> which?
2017-03-27T10:28:48 < ohsix> don't have it on hand or i'd give you the number, it's a financial version
2017-03-27T10:29:00 < emeb_mac> ah yeah - those were crap
2017-03-27T10:29:00 < ohsix> 10bii?
2017-03-27T10:29:07 < emeb_mac> sounds right
2017-03-27T10:29:31 < emeb_mac> the 33s bugged me at first - it's got those f'n ugly chevron keys
2017-03-27T10:29:49 < emeb_mac> but it's actually pretty good if you overlook that.
2017-03-27T10:30:00 < ohsix> looks a bit like ass olol
2017-03-27T10:30:04 < emeb_mac> yeah
2017-03-27T10:30:18 < ohsix> was that the first one to have the dpad?
2017-03-27T10:30:25 < ohsix> maybe they felt they had to tart it up
2017-03-27T10:30:46 < emeb_mac> maybe. some of 48/49 ones might have that too tho
2017-03-27T10:31:02 < emeb_mac> *yawn*
2017-03-27T10:31:03 < emeb_mac> gn
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2017-03-27T10:31:16 < dongs> autism causes sleepiness
2017-03-27T10:33:49 < stm32> thats a relief i'm working 20 hours a day
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2017-03-27T10:41:33 < stm32> all work and no play makes crt a dull pumper
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2017-03-27T12:02:51 < stm32> well
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2017-03-27T13:13:53 < karlp> Learn about the advanced benefits of this high-performance simulator, schematic capture, and waveform viewer during a free seminar near you
2017-03-27T13:14:00 < karlp> oslo and stockholm count I guess...
2017-03-27T13:21:31 < Steffanx> How did this power issue you had in one room in your house end zyp?
2017-03-27T13:21:39 < Steffanx> Mystery solved?
2017-03-27T13:22:25 < stm32> the roof was live!
2017-03-27T13:34:12 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/yNj71ag.jpg slightly pumping
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2017-03-27T13:37:32 < BrainDamage> super laurenceb-level link: https://twitter.com/sdbcraig/status/846143715794145283?s=09
2017-03-27T13:38:11 < karlp> dongs: took me a little while...
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2017-03-27T13:47:16 < stm32> fuck
2017-03-27T13:50:55 < dongs> karlp: ^_^
2017-03-27T13:54:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> I REALLY oughta give my user permission to acess the usb stuff
2017-03-27T13:54:34 < dongs> or install windows 10
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2017-03-27T13:58:56 < stm32> alright
2017-03-27T14:03:17 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah, power comes from apartment above mine
2017-03-27T14:03:23 < Steffanx> lol :)
2017-03-27T14:03:39 < zyp> it's even declared in the breaker box as "first floor room"
2017-03-27T14:04:05 < zyp> which actually explained a bunch of stuff
2017-03-27T14:05:27 < zyp> the house has four apartments, two on first floor, two on second floor
2017-03-27T14:07:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> I do have win10. But it's a tad nicer doing stm stuff with the FOSS toolchain on linux
2017-03-27T14:07:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> Also, dmesg is much nicer ot get an immediate "is my usb borked" than anything on windows
2017-03-27T14:07:45 < zyp> the first floor ones were apparently originally built as one bedroom apartments, and then there were two extra rooms with separate entrances from the common hallway, each supposed to belong to the apartment above it
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2017-03-27T14:08:37 < zyp> and then somebody found out they wanted to convert them to two bedroom apartments by putting up a new wall with a new entrance door outside the already existing two entrance doors on each side
2017-03-27T14:09:52 < zyp> which is why that second bedroom has weird power arrangements, and why I have two layers of entrance-grade doors (fireproofing, proper locks, etc)
2017-03-27T14:11:42 < karlp> englishman: you're making me curious with your "so easy with hal" lines
2017-03-27T14:11:45 < zyp> it also kinda explains why the addr scheme is all fucked up
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2017-03-27T14:12:41 < zyp> like I said, there's four units in the building, the building is number 4 in the street, and formally there exists a 4A and a 4B
2017-03-27T14:12:45 < Steffanx> Heh. Mystery solved :)
2017-03-27T14:12:58 < zyp> there's no C or D
2017-03-27T14:13:48 < zyp> so my guess is that originally it was built/classed as a double house, where each half also includes a separate rental unit
2017-03-27T14:14:32 < karlp> yeah, my old house was 104b/c, 6 appartments, originally two two story houses (duplex) with basements.
2017-03-27T14:14:55 < karlp> upper floors were split, and basements were renovated to be appartments too
2017-03-27T14:15:14 < zyp> with the fun end result that the addresses ends up being either ambiguous or redundant
2017-03-27T14:15:51 < karlp> yeah, I lived in one of the basement doors.
2017-03-27T14:16:02 < karlp> 6 appartments, 4 mailboxes
2017-03-27T14:16:12 < karlp> regularly had problems with not getting the newspaper delivered :)
2017-03-27T14:16:15 < zyp> I'm in 4B U0102, but just 4 U0102 would have sufficed
2017-03-27T14:16:26 < karlp> oh, you don't have 4, 4a and 4b?
2017-03-27T14:16:39 < zyp> I don't think so :)
2017-03-27T14:16:46 < karlp> we have the "base" numbered house here too.
2017-03-27T14:16:49 < zyp> might be, it's a mess
2017-03-27T14:17:07 < zyp> oh, and the power company apparently has me being in 4D :)
2017-03-27T14:17:11 < karlp> I prefer it to "number 14, 4thfloor left side"
2017-03-27T14:17:16 < karlp> heh.
2017-03-27T14:17:20 < zyp> but nobody else have mentioned a D existing
2017-03-27T14:17:39 < karlp> how old's the house?
2017-03-27T14:17:53 < zyp> not very, which makes it even more confusing
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2017-03-27T14:18:06 < zyp> I think it was 2012 or something
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2017-03-27T14:18:33 < Laurenceb_> omg bbc discovered my hobby 
2017-03-27T14:18:35 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-39394624
2017-03-27T14:18:39 < Laurenceb_>  "ur child"
2017-03-27T14:19:37 < zyp> but it's okay, it's a pretty nice apartment for the price
2017-03-27T14:19:55 < dongs> Laurenceb_: uhmmmmmmm... isn't that just happy tree friends
2017-03-27T14:20:41 < zyp> my previous one was newer and nicer but a bit more expensive, but I had to catch a ferry to get anywhere, so this one is still preferable
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2017-03-27T14:23:46 < Laurenceb_> who knows, but it's scary and wrong
2017-03-27T14:23:56 < Laurenceb_> another reason to ban adverts on youtube
2017-03-27T14:24:40 < Laurenceb_> they should just ask why anyone would lets underage children on the internet unsupervised
2017-03-27T14:25:06 < Laurenceb_> I mean just the fact we are there is reason enough to ban kids
2017-03-27T14:28:42 < dongs> also lol @ fake cartoons.
2017-03-27T14:28:50 < dongs> imagine if they "investigated" kidz watching anniemay
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2017-03-27T14:45:11 < dongs> what does rs232>485 converter shit do with re/de
2017-03-27T14:45:16 < dongs> do tehy just connect that shit to like RTS/CSTS or wahtever?
2017-03-27T14:45:27 < dongs> and enable hardware flow control?
2017-03-27T14:49:13 < zyp> been wondering myself, guess they can just assert DE when writing and RE otherwise
2017-03-27T14:49:39 < zyp> like the newer uarts in stm32 can do in hardware
2017-03-27T14:49:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> hardware flow control lets you get fraster and more reliable?
2017-03-27T14:50:34 < zyp> in what sense?
2017-03-27T14:50:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> i dunno
2017-03-27T14:50:50 < Jak_o_Shadows> what's the pont of hardware flow control?
2017-03-27T14:51:09 < zyp> well, to start off, do you know what flow control is?
2017-03-27T14:51:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> I was picturing some sort of saying if you're allowed to send data or not
2017-03-27T14:51:49 < dongs> zyp, what newer uarts
2017-03-27T14:51:52 < dongs> they have 485 mode?
2017-03-27T14:52:13 < zyp> dongs, L0, at least, IIRC F3 has the same
2017-03-27T14:52:19 < dongs> aha intereting
2017-03-27T14:52:19 < zyp> and yes, I use that on usbjvs
2017-03-27T14:52:59 < dongs> does it only do DE tehn?
2017-03-27T14:53:02 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, yes, that's the basic idea
2017-03-27T14:53:06 < dongs> or does it have separate shit for RE and DE
2017-03-27T14:53:11 < zyp> dongs, yeah, but you can just hook RE and DE together
2017-03-27T14:53:25 < zyp> unless you want to always receive
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2017-03-27T14:53:29 < dongs> yeah but from waht i understand from previous chats, if i am to handle collision stuff ishouldnt
2017-03-27T14:53:33 < dongs> right
2017-03-27T14:53:36 < zyp> if you want to always receive, just leave RE always enabled
2017-03-27T14:53:40 < dongs> oh. hmm.
2017-03-27T14:53:59 < dongs> firing up cube
2017-03-27T14:54:00 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/zhmhTXs.jpg
2017-03-27T14:54:37 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, think of flow control in general as the receiver saying "please wait a bit, I can't receive that fast"
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2017-03-27T14:54:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> Why would you want to do that?
2017-03-27T14:55:27 < zyp> well, imagine that you are receiving data, and you have a buffer of incomming data to process
2017-03-27T14:55:43 < dongs> ah
2017-03-27T14:55:46 < dongs> USART!_DE
2017-03-27T14:55:52 < zyp> now, imagine that the sender is sending faster than you are consuming, so eventually that buffer will fill up
2017-03-27T14:56:06 < dongs> hm cute
2017-03-27T14:56:08 < dongs> adn only available on PA12
2017-03-27T14:56:28 < Jak_o_Shadows> Sounds like you'd need to think about your overall design - if you're sending data down that fast, it might be for a reason, etc
2017-03-27T14:56:41 < zyp> once the buffer is full, you either have to ask the sender to slow down, or data will simply get lost because there's nowhere for it to go
2017-03-27T14:57:15 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: ..
2017-03-27T14:57:31 < Laurenceb_> https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/03/26/1828223/17-year-old-corrects-nasa-mistake-in-data-from-the-iss
2017-03-27T14:57:32 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-03-27T14:57:36 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, QoS is a different problem
2017-03-27T14:58:19 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, keep in mind, for a lot of data transfers, you don't really care about a specific speed, you just want it to go as fast as possible
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2017-03-27T14:58:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> yeah.
2017-03-27T14:58:58 < zyp> consider for instance writing data to flash
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2017-03-27T14:59:33 < Laurenceb_> https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10411443&cid=54117021
2017-03-27T15:00:01 < zyp> you just want that flash written as fast as possible, so you're letting the receiver control the speed
2017-03-27T15:00:06 < zyp> that's flow control.
2017-03-27T15:00:39 < Jak_o_Shadows> ah
2017-03-27T15:00:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> Thanks
2017-03-27T15:01:14  * karlp needs to speed up his modbus bootloader.
2017-03-27T15:01:17 < zyp> hardware flow control, in the context of uarts, means that you have separate lines to signal that (RTS/CTS)
2017-03-27T15:01:18 < karlp> flashing is too slow.
2017-03-27T15:01:38 < zyp> the advantage of that is that the serial protocol itself doesn't have to think about it
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2017-03-27T15:01:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> Oh geez. That reminds me. On the F429i, I have flashing times of like, minutes
2017-03-27T15:01:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> yeah.
2017-03-27T15:01:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> You move all that care out of your code
2017-03-27T15:02:15 < zyp> there's also software flow control (XOFF/XON), where control tokens are inserted into the serial stream
2017-03-27T15:02:26 < karlp> yeah, and it can fuckingburn in hell
2017-03-27T15:02:49 < zyp> :)
2017-03-27T15:03:08 < zyp> personally I prefer using transports that takes care of both flow control and framing
2017-03-27T15:03:12 < zyp> usb bulk is nice like that
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2017-03-27T15:19:08 < karlp> yeah, if you're on point to point usb is great.
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2017-03-27T15:22:24 < zyp> I also like the idea of CAN, it's just that the max payload size is a bit small
2017-03-27T15:25:29 < tpw_rules> there's can FD but idk what supports it
2017-03-27T15:25:48 < tpw_rules> it seems not many can micros do
2017-03-27T15:27:23 < karlp> yeah, can payloads are tiny.
2017-03-27T15:29:29 < tpw_rules> ah some of the big STM32s do
2017-03-27T15:31:42 < emeryth> but there is a bunch of protocols on top of CAN that give you longer payloads
2017-03-27T15:31:48 < emeryth> like ISO-TP
2017-03-27T15:33:45 < englishman> usb, another thing made easy as HAL
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2017-03-27T15:36:14 < Laurenceb_> I just want a binary data protocol for polling sensors...
2017-03-27T15:36:29 < Laurenceb_> wow the internets are delivering some comedy today https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/27/douglas_coupland_the_average_iq_is_now_103_also_the_present_is_melting_into_the_future/
2017-03-27T15:37:38 < tpw_rules> there's canopen
2017-03-27T15:38:06 < stm32> ratshit batshit dirty old twat, 69 assholes tied in a knot!
2017-03-27T15:39:27 < Laurenceb_> sometimes you need to blast your stm32 with -5V, or it talks dirty
2017-03-27T15:47:47 < englishman> protobufs are always the answer
2017-03-27T15:47:55 < englishman> cat woke me up for his dose of kitty heroin
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2017-03-27T15:58:38 < englishman> lets see AMD try this https://i.imgur.com/1sNjcgc.gifv
2017-03-27T15:58:44 < stm32> sup
2017-03-27T15:58:49 < stm32> mate
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2017-03-27T16:01:43 < englishman> weed is going to be legal in Canada*
2017-03-27T16:02:18 < englishman> *the black market will continue to be the biggest market as they are cocking this up
2017-03-27T16:08:00 < Steffanx> kakimir will 1.5 kg be enough?
2017-03-27T16:08:18 < stm32> lol
2017-03-27T16:08:29 < stm32> sup stfnx
2017-03-27T16:08:43 < Steffanx> Sunny sky stm32. There?
2017-03-27T16:09:02 < stm32> fixing turntables, speakers, power amplifiers
2017-03-27T16:09:05 < stm32> you know
2017-03-27T16:09:26 < Steffanx> What's new?
2017-03-27T16:09:42 < stm32> nothing there
2017-03-27T16:09:45 < stm32> just more work
2017-03-27T16:09:51 < stm32> been on the clock for 14 hrs already
2017-03-27T16:15:54 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: true story? http://imgur.com/gallery/GGHIv
2017-03-27T16:18:11 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: duh, of course not. Even in moscow and st.petersburg the majority (of those going to elections at all) really does vote for putin.
2017-03-27T16:18:40 < Steffanx> Ok, just wanted to check up on some imgur facts. Thanks :)
2017-03-27T16:20:11 < stm32> welcome back Steffan
2017-03-27T16:20:20 < stm32> in australia sky is down
2017-03-27T16:20:34 < PaulFertser> You can count the medvedev elections in as well. People are just not used to think, to choose, to take the responsibility, to stand up for their rights, and are too afraid about any possible change. 
2017-03-27T16:24:40 < Steffanx> but medvedev was kinda in putins pocket right?
2017-03-27T16:24:46 < c10ud^> do anyone ever tried innovating with one of those small epaper displays?
2017-03-27T16:25:08 < Steffanx> not me
2017-03-27T16:25:20 < Steffanx> No clue what to innovate with them
2017-03-27T16:26:38 < stm32> i smashed the shit out of it
2017-03-27T16:26:58 < c10ud^> I particularly like them since you can see them with full brightness sun, they (hopefully) last 10x compared to their lcd counterparts (though I'm not sure about this one)
2017-03-27T16:26:59 < PaulFertser> Right
2017-03-27T16:27:06 < stm32> kobo pig disgusting 
2017-03-27T16:27:33 < c10ud^> but they cost like 10€ for the 2.7" one
2017-03-27T16:27:50 < Steffanx> Was about to say that.. they are also relatively expensive.
2017-03-27T16:27:56 < englishman> and <1fps
2017-03-27T16:28:28 < englishman> but if low idle power is your goal, they are great
2017-03-27T16:29:10 < Steffanx> Did you wake up beaver post yet englishman?
2017-03-27T16:29:16 < c10ud^> yeah for things like sensors etc.
2017-03-27T16:29:21 < englishman> Steffanx: still no movement
2017-03-27T16:29:37 < englishman> i have another outgoing package that is delayed as fuck, too
2017-03-27T16:30:10 < c10ud^> thing is, change 3€ display every few years or so or let the 10€ live for a million updates while consuming a tenth of the power?  
2017-03-27T16:30:57 < emeryth> why do you assume LCDs die and epaper lives forever?
2017-03-27T16:31:30 < c10ud^> idk because 1) backlight 2) leds burning down 3) heavy refresh rate vs 1fps
2017-03-27T16:31:37 < BrainDamage> look at memory lcd 
2017-03-27T16:32:15 < BrainDamage> they have decent refresh rate, _very low_ consumption, and are reflective so no backlight
2017-03-27T16:32:24 < BrainDamage> and aren't outrageously priced
2017-03-27T16:32:55 < BrainDamage> they have few uW power with static pics
2017-03-27T16:32:56 < karlp> Steffanx: yeah, even just me visiting I met plenty of putin lovers. no way that confession bear is remotely truthful
2017-03-27T16:33:00 < englishman> yeah even pebble was smart enough not to use eink
2017-03-27T16:33:45 < c10ud^> do you have a china-source for those?
2017-03-27T16:35:17 < c10ud^> well for 10$ one can get top of the line though..
2017-03-27T16:46:33 < Steffanx> kakimir, wake up.
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2017-03-27T16:54:53 < ReadError> dixel
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2017-03-27T17:17:01 < kakimir> what brother steff?
2017-03-27T17:18:03 < kakimir> sure it is
2017-03-27T17:18:40 < kakimir> did you find a sale?
2017-03-27T17:30:21 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7llTD5VMAAvGH-.jpg
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2017-03-27T17:36:31 < Peter_M> https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/cuckmas-carols-bald-headed-lies-ep/id1208283614
2017-03-27T17:36:51 < Laurenceb> stop sharing ur fap material
2017-03-27T17:38:10 < Steffanx> Laurenceb asks to stop posting something. Such comedian.
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2017-03-27T17:40:06  * karlp laughs
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2017-03-27T17:43:21 < kakimir> I need to read spool rotation
2017-03-27T17:43:43 < kakimir> diameter 20-30cm one and then bigger spools like one meter and up
2017-03-27T17:44:13 < BrainDamage> surely the shaft is not 30 cm wide?
2017-03-27T17:44:33 < BrainDamage> anyway just mount a coaxial optical encoder
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2017-03-27T17:46:10 < kakimir> maybe another end of the axle is free for adding some encoders
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2017-03-27T17:46:44 < kakimir> but how to mount to 25mm or wider axle to this small encoder axle
2017-03-27T17:47:27 < BrainDamage> you can just put a rubber wheel to transfer motion to a smaller shaft
2017-03-27T17:47:55 < BrainDamage> as long as contact pressure is sufficient there won't be slippage
2017-03-27T17:48:06 < BrainDamage> I doubt you need high precision anyway
2017-03-27T17:48:23 < englishman> piece of tape and a microswitch
2017-03-27T17:49:33 < kakimir> precision I need - in that sense I know if it's rotating the right way
2017-03-27T17:50:10 < BrainDamage> then just 2 switches
2017-03-27T17:50:20 < BrainDamage> and englishman's solution
2017-03-27T17:50:43 < kakimir> nasty
2017-03-27T17:51:00 < BrainDamage> encoder does give direction tought
2017-03-27T17:51:09 < BrainDamage> alternatively, a cheap electric motor
2017-03-27T17:51:18 < BrainDamage> and just read the voltage polarity
2017-03-27T17:51:36 < kakimir> nasty
2017-03-27T17:51:52 < englishman> well this chan is full of solutions
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2017-03-27T17:52:06 < englishman> if you want to dismiss them, feel free to ask in ##electronics
2017-03-27T17:52:13 < englishman> im sure they will be far more helpful
2017-03-27T17:52:53 < kakimir> actually sine wave motor would be quite good
2017-03-27T17:53:45 < kakimir> or bldc maybe even better for integrating the location
2017-03-27T17:55:15 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=incremental+rotary+encoder+optical&_sop=15 why to even buy a motor
2017-03-27T17:55:41 < sync_> encoder
2017-03-27T17:55:43 < sync_> or resolver
2017-03-27T17:55:50 < sync_> you can just drill the end of the shaft
2017-03-27T17:56:38 < kakimir> it wont be straight
2017-03-27T17:57:15 < kakimir> with lathe it might be possible
2017-03-27T17:58:53 < englishman> bunch of styles of coupling that allow eccencricity
2017-03-27T18:01:21 < kakimir> just use duct tape
2017-03-27T18:01:48 < englishman> that's one
2017-03-27T18:03:11 < kakimir> level on autism?
2017-03-27T18:07:47 < kakimir> I better order those elastic coupings too right now
2017-03-27T18:08:03 < kakimir> I started new project today
2017-03-27T18:11:38 < kakimir> bull milking machine
2017-03-27T18:12:20 < kakimir> not but ice sailing thing
2017-03-27T18:12:33 < kakimir> I have the sail from a sailboat in the back of my van
2017-03-27T18:12:43 < kakimir> now I need 3 blades and some steel
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2017-03-27T18:13:25 < kakimir> http://www.antikvariaatti.net/tuotekuvat/isot/121690.jpg
2017-03-27T18:13:30 < kakimir> this type of thing
2017-03-27T18:13:56 < BrainDamage> is that a ski sail"boat"?
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2017-03-27T19:27:27 < jadew> englishman, that robot suite looks great
2017-03-27T19:27:34 < jadew> I'd walk around town wearing that
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2017-03-27T19:28:44 < jadew> that's what you wear to fight off the sentinels
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2017-03-27T19:51:26 < Laurenceb> https://archive.is/tiOl1
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2017-03-27T21:04:05 < maxzor> hello, I am into flashing a stm32f4 with dfu in linux. Someone gave me a udev rule, what I got in demsg is following : https://pastebin.com/dfCdMdn8. I flashed in DFU succesfully, but I would enjoy help in making sure the "pixracer part"(STM32 boot pins not shorted) of dmesg is what it should be.
2017-03-27T21:05:44 < maxzor> I am pretty sure the stm32 doesnt boot correctly, but in short I would prefer to be sure than linux would acknowledge it correctly if it booted well.
2017-03-27T21:11:57 < PaulFertser> maxzor: if the target firmware didn't boot, you wouldn't see a sane usb descriptor.
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2017-03-27T21:13:52 < maxzor> 1- am I right understanding the udev states two rules, one for dfu the other for normal boot, 2- so you do not see issue in the udev rule linked?
2017-03-27T21:15:07 < PaulFertser> maxzor: udev rules do not affect dmesg and lsusb output
2017-03-27T21:15:48 < maxzor> thank you
2017-03-27T21:17:51 < PaulFertser> maxzor: yes two udev rules, one is matching PID==0xdf11 and allows plugdev group users to access it. The other matches PID==0x5740 and adds a variable to make the damn ModemManager ignore it.
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2017-03-27T21:19:50 < PaulFertser> maxzor: if target firmware wasn't booting properly, you wouldn't see lines 4--10.
2017-03-27T21:21:49 < PaulFertser> maxzor: btw, are you using dfu-util for flashing?
2017-03-27T21:26:31 < maxzor> is serial number 0x8000000 OK then? I used a GUI so I do not know. The same person also linked me a bash script to flash with dfu-util and stm32flash indeed but I do not know how to parameter it (the device parameter part - https://pastebin.com/HBvfC1R1)
2017-03-27T21:27:33 < PaulFertser> maxzor: serial number depends on target firmware, if it says so, it's correct.
2017-03-27T21:29:14 < maxzor> I am reluctant to flash on /dev/ttyUSB35 without knowing what I am doing.  Bus 003 Device 005: ID 0483:df11 STMicroelectronics STM Device in DFU Mode
2017-03-27T21:31:49 < PaulFertser> maxzor: the script is a little bit wierd, I can't exactly see how to use it to start just dfu-util, without trying stm32flash (for uart bootloader).
2017-03-27T21:32:21 < PaulFertser> maxzor: you do not need /dev/ttyUSB* at all to use dfu-util.
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2017-03-27T21:35:12 < PaulFertser> maxzor: probably if you give it only a path to *.bin file then it'll work for dfu flashing but with error output from stm32flash before doing the real work :)
2017-03-27T21:36:17 < PaulFertser> (from objcopy, not from stm32flash)
2017-03-27T21:38:33 < maxzor> so if i delete the conditional with stm32 flash and path a bin file it should work? I still got an issue with lines 40-43 where non of the dev paths did it
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2017-03-27T22:19:11 < Steffanx> Welcome Rob235. long time no see.
2017-03-27T22:19:40 < Rob235> hey there
2017-03-27T22:19:42 < Rob235> how goes it
2017-03-27T22:20:22 < Steffanx> Good enough. :)
2017-03-27T22:21:56 < Rob235> yea I hear that, been a rough month or two here but things are looking up
2017-03-27T22:22:33 < PaulFertser> maxzor: when in doubt about shell scripts, use bash -x to trace the execution.
2017-03-27T22:23:29 < Steffanx> Good Rob235 :)
2017-03-27T22:24:32 < Rob235> what have you been up to lately
2017-03-27T22:25:14 < sync_> exporting stroopwaffels
2017-03-27T22:25:29 < Rob235> well thats a given
2017-03-27T22:28:26 < Steffanx> Yes, that too sync_ :P
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2017-03-27T22:38:49 < maxzor> thanks again!
2017-03-27T22:38:59 < Rob235> your welcome
2017-03-27T22:39:10 < Rob235> ;)
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2017-03-27T23:57:49 < Laurenceb_> my RTC just informed me that it's the current year
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2017-03-28T00:39:40 < kakimir> time for pump
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2017-03-28T01:06:12 < kakimir> and medical beer dosage
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2017-03-28T01:12:57 < Steffanx> Hows the wind blowing crt?
2017-03-28T01:14:31 < Steffanx> No cyclone in your region?
2017-03-28T01:18:09 < Steffanx> Angry Face.
2017-03-28T01:18:35 < ReadError> crt's cat always looks pissed off
2017-03-28T01:20:10 < Steffanx> so it stole your seat.
2017-03-28T01:20:17 < englishman> that is a high quality seat for a high quality kitten
2017-03-28T01:21:29 < Steffanx> I guess we have different standard then.
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2017-03-28T01:46:11 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Bcjh6Lq.jpg
2017-03-28T01:47:14 < Steffanx> Someone figured out how edit the html of a web page :O
2017-03-28T01:52:43 < jadew> I don't get it
2017-03-28T01:53:03 < Steffanx> Google: 1488
2017-03-28T01:53:14 < Steffanx> or better dont. It's boring.
2017-03-28T01:54:22 < jadew> I didn't listen to your advice, you were right
2017-03-28T01:54:32 < Steffanx> :P
2017-03-28T01:54:43 < jadew> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/XuQAAOSw~AVYsJ5A/s-l1600.jpg
2017-03-28T02:01:26 < aandrew> word
2017-03-28T02:01:48 < aandrew> jadew: ... mouth simulator?
2017-03-28T02:03:38 < Steffanx> I think jadew sees it more as a stimulator.
2017-03-28T02:05:30 < jadew> I think it could work, if you were tin man
2017-03-28T02:05:45 < BrainDamage> maybe it's a steel caged fleshlight
2017-03-28T02:05:57 < BrainDamage> and it's accesed from the bottom
2017-03-28T02:06:06 < jadew> haha
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2017-03-28T02:10:17 < Laurenceb_> stop talking about ur mum
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2017-03-28T02:14:33 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb's being explored https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0CBeNBMxmIs/maxresdefault.jpg
2017-03-28T02:14:52 < jadew> any ideas on how to fix an analog panel meter's tendency to get stuck on small movements?
2017-03-28T02:15:38 < BrainDamage> it might sound like another jab, but you need lube
2017-03-28T02:15:44 < BrainDamage> and clean the bearing
2017-03-28T02:15:44 < jadew> haha
2017-03-28T02:15:57 < jadew> it really needs lube?
2017-03-28T02:16:05 < jadew> I have some
2017-03-28T02:16:23 < BrainDamage> well, it's a sleeve bearing
2017-03-28T02:16:27 < jadew> but I thought it's in free air
2017-03-28T02:16:29 < BrainDamage> it doesn't /need/ lube
2017-03-28T02:16:48 < BrainDamage> but as it gets worn and clogged with shit, a bit of lube helps
2017-03-28T02:17:01 < BrainDamage> especially to displace whatever crap will stick
2017-03-28T02:17:04 < ReadError> englishman: https://www.horusrc.com/en/new-frsky-m9-high-sensitivity-hall-sensor-gimbal-for-taranis-x9d-plus.html
2017-03-28T02:17:24 < jadew> BrainDamage, I see, thanks
2017-03-28T02:17:29 < englishman> in stock, thats rare
2017-03-28T02:17:48 < BrainDamage> some light machine oil and poking gently until it's smooth
2017-03-28T02:18:10 < ReadError> englishman: ya
2017-03-28T02:18:14 < ReadError> 68 pcs left
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2017-03-28T03:36:42 < englishman> AX5243 is great on paper
2017-03-28T03:36:43 < englishman> but
2017-03-28T03:36:44 < englishman> fuck
2017-03-28T03:37:02 < englishman> its like its abandonware
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2017-03-28T03:58:16 < englishman> Laurenceb: beep
2017-03-28T04:07:23 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/mck7zqhqqzny.jpg
2017-03-28T04:09:08 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/wNQIIZZ.gif
2017-03-28T04:09:59 < englishman> everyone looks so bored
2017-03-28T04:14:13 < jadew> well, I tried to fix that analog meter, I think it's just built broken
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2017-03-28T04:25:20 < jadew> the chinese used to make better analog meters 20 years ago
2017-03-28T04:29:57 < stm32> then they learned of CLONING
2017-03-28T04:31:02 < stm32> and cause westerners are part jew, they could make a clone better than anything from the original source
2017-03-28T04:31:57 < jadew> I remember owning several cheap meters and none of them had issues with the analog meter
2017-03-28T04:33:12 < jadew> I think the problem now is that when you're building something you have the choice to use absolute shit parts
2017-03-28T04:33:35 < jadew> that probably wasn't a thing back then
2017-03-28T04:33:52 < jadew> they didn't know they could build shit parts and people would buy them
2017-03-28T04:34:52 < stm32> yes
2017-03-28T04:35:09 < stm32> ebay capacitors
2017-03-28T04:35:15 < stm32> many as you liiiii
2017-03-28T04:35:22 < stm32> too dollar fitty
2017-03-28T04:35:59 < stm32> 2n2222 in to3-p package so quality
2017-03-28T04:36:12 < stm32> o wot it blow ups? unrucky.... 
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2017-03-28T05:01:26 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtiJEYW6_A#t=2m12s
2017-03-28T05:01:41 < stm32> thank;
2017-03-28T05:03:02 < stm32> dsx1130
2017-03-28T05:32:46 < stm32> what happened to o6?
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2017-03-28T06:18:31 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/iMLFdTX.jpg
2017-03-28T06:34:18 < dongs> stm32, hopefullyt on ignore by everyone
2017-03-28T06:34:53 < ohsix> your hopes are pretty shallow bruh
2017-03-28T06:34:54 < stm32> hehe
2017-03-28T06:34:57 < ohsix> stm32: busy haxing
2017-03-28T06:35:19 < ohsix> basically what i was doing on irc but irl
2017-03-28T06:35:21 < stm32> i want a geese
2017-03-28T06:35:47 < ohsix> got a bunch of crap from aliexpress today
2017-03-28T06:38:30 < ohsix> hm
2017-03-28T06:38:51 < ohsix> 2 items were cancelled due 2 hax
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2017-03-28T07:55:15 < ohsix> guh
2017-03-28T07:55:25 < ohsix> solvent from jumpe rwires off aliexpress did me in
2017-03-28T08:00:50 < ohsix> jadew: stuck how? doesn't the movement work regardless of the size of the change?
2017-03-28T08:01:13 < ohsix> unless the needle is touching the glass or the background
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2017-03-28T08:34:27 < dongs> read this as < stm32> i want a degree
2017-03-28T08:35:50 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/nZl9EaD.gif
2017-03-28T08:36:14 < dongs> what is this garbage
2017-03-28T08:39:19 < ReadError> nikki minaj 
2017-03-28T08:40:51 < ohsix> haha
2017-03-28T08:41:17 < ohsix> i wish i was that sly
2017-03-28T08:41:56 < ohsix> upgrdman: i got those 5.8ghz radar things, the rwcl-0516
2017-03-28T08:42:01 < ohsix> they're cheap af on ali
2017-03-28T08:42:05 < dongs> not up todate on latest flip porn stars
2017-03-28T08:42:09 < dongs> why should i care about the vid
2017-03-28T08:42:43 < ohsix> i gotz a pentium II slocket/cart thing
2017-03-28T08:42:48 < ohsix> it says INTEL CONFIDENTIAL on it
2017-03-28T08:43:01 < upgrdman> ohsix, whatre you gonna use the radars fro
2017-03-28T08:43:02 < ohsix> don't recognize the numbers as engineering sample trace shit
2017-03-28T08:43:17 < ohsix> upgrdman: as motion sensors, another dude was wondering about them
2017-03-28T08:43:36 < ReadError> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs
2017-03-28T08:43:36 < dongs> im gonna gues, autism
2017-03-28T08:43:51 < ohsix> but ya it's got the rf thing, it's not too different from the hb100, parasitic mixing & doppler shits, so you could pick up the output on the micro pin and do radar-radar
2017-03-28T08:44:17 < ohsix> it's a cool little pcb for cheap-out-of-china, lots of stitching, hand drawn looking traces
2017-03-28T08:44:22 < dongs> ReadError: looks like garbage still dont get the video or why its funny
2017-03-28T08:44:38 < dongs> is this what passes for "entertainment" in america these dayts?
2017-03-28T08:45:12 < ohsix> upgrdman: hypothetically, if someone had a twitter troll account, they could get lots of attention for calling that sexual assault
2017-03-28T08:46:40 < upgrdman> dongs, its just a kid pretending to be emotional so the chick would hug him and press his face into her fake tits
2017-03-28T08:46:55 < dongs> i think youre thinking way too much into it
2017-03-28T08:46:55 < upgrdman> also, nikki is ugly as shit
2017-03-28T08:47:00 < ohsix> wrong
2017-03-28T08:47:10 < ohsix> can't watch her music tho
2017-03-28T08:47:21 < dongs> obviously
2017-03-28T08:50:45 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JipHEz53sU
2017-03-28T08:51:37 < ohsix> hrm
2017-03-28T08:51:40 < ohsix> this is just pop music shit
2017-03-28T08:51:51 < ohsix> got on the hate train in like 2009, don't even remember
2017-03-28T08:54:05 < upgrdman> dongs, https://i.redd.it/8lh12xn1q0oy.png
2017-03-28T08:54:06 < ohsix> what are you hacking upgrdman 
2017-03-28T08:54:45 < ohsix> are you going to do a dc motor balance board with the l293
2017-03-28T08:54:52 < ohsix> s/board/robot
2017-03-28T08:55:10 < upgrdman> ohsix, been innovating with my TelemetryViewer. added ability to hide parts (axis titles, legends, axis scales, etc.) and ability to adjust settings of a chart live (during and after making the chart)
2017-03-28T08:55:22 < ohsix> oah right, forgot about that
2017-03-28T08:55:36 < ohsix> heheh
2017-03-28T08:55:46 < dongs> when patreon?
2017-03-28T08:55:56 < ohsix> i'm not going to be doing anything like that, but i hope to have some live graphs in some esp8266 shit
2017-03-28T08:56:11 < upgrdman> been kinda burned out on robots. want to get back into it, but been busy will real work and with fucking with my t.v. program
2017-03-28T08:56:16 < dongs> upgrdman: too much greentext do you have a summary
2017-03-28T08:56:32 < upgrdman> because i'll be using the t.v. program a lot in the future, so i might as well make it enjoyable to use
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2017-03-28T08:56:50 < upgrdman> dongs, the last red text, but wont be funny if you dont read the green text
2017-03-28T08:57:51 < ohsix> tv?
2017-03-28T08:58:00 < PeterM> basically, pandas are retarded, japanese people are like pandas, japanese people are retarded
2017-03-28T08:58:22 < dongs> hes not wrong
2017-03-28T08:58:43 < upgrdman> ohsix, TelemetryViewer
2017-03-28T08:58:49 < ohsix> o rite
2017-03-28T08:59:03 < ohsix> i got some 433mhz and othershits radios coming
2017-03-28T08:59:05 < dongs> TrueValue
2017-03-28T09:00:41 < ohsix> need to gtfo my butts and do a bunch of shit that would only 'take 5 minutes', tend to put that off
2017-03-28T09:01:11 < dongs> upgrdman: do you have any panel meters
2017-03-28T09:01:16 < dongs> in your set of graph/etc widgets
2017-03-28T09:01:34 < dongs> https://media.giphy.com/media/peqUP2xdeIHG8/giphy.gif need this plz
2017-03-28T09:02:23 < ohsix> are there other cheap-as-shit things i can use to release a latch to drop something from a quad or whatever, small solenoid is ~1$, small stepper is <1$ can't think of anything else
2017-03-28T09:03:08 < ohsix> some dude i know wants to make a thing and i'm showing him where to get some shit, basically to get a break from it for however long it takes to arrive from aliexpress
2017-03-28T09:03:25 < upgrdman> dongs, heh, closest i have is the purple meter at the lower right:  https://youtu.be/r693Xb9t4dI?t=431    but maybe i could add an Autism Meter easter egg for the lulz
2017-03-28T09:03:42 < dongs> oo
2017-03-28T09:03:44 < dongs> yeah definitely
2017-03-28T09:03:49 < dongs> need somethin with a needle
2017-03-28T09:04:25 < dongs> http://images.costcobusinessdelivery.com/image/media/350-251680__1.jpg i ate this whole thing few hours ago am i gonna die
2017-03-28T09:04:49 < upgrdman> dongs, in pi from? or just nom'd on them directly
2017-03-28T09:04:57 < dongs> just washed + ate whole box
2017-03-28T09:05:00 < PeterM> dont be concerned when you take a mad shit and its bright red
2017-03-28T09:05:54 < dongs> https://karani.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/19386_841643955911704_3038992245976528359_n.jpg
2017-03-28T09:05:57 < dongs> lul
2017-03-28T09:06:00 < dongs> related image
2017-03-28T09:06:06 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10x-Micro-Screw-Stepper-Motors-Miniature-2-phase-4-wire-step-motor-driver-bs-/272471175466 10 release mechanisms
2017-03-28T09:06:17 < upgrdman> no joke, when i was a kid i used to eat a lot of this. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/4449643a-6e99-4d80-9cc9-f74b350e6916_1.7060c0274a3fe43c0ec78db3666072bc.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF   like 3 bowls for "dinner" .... would poop out blue/purple logs. so much dye it would even leach out into the toilet water. looks super neat. should have taken photos.
2017-03-28T09:07:10 < dongs> lul
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2017-03-28T09:07:12 < ohsix> fun dip raz apple shit has tons fo blue/green food dye
2017-03-28T09:07:17 < dongs> is that capn crunch
2017-03-28T09:07:21 < upgrdman> dongs, yes
2017-03-28T09:07:23 < dongs> yeah i think i had some of similar shit ages ago
2017-03-28T09:07:38 < ohsix> it colors the water in short order
2017-03-28T09:07:52 < PeterM> its pretty common with roast beetroot too
2017-03-28T09:08:19 < upgrdman> 8 years ago i airbrushed this   http://farrellf.com/projects/art/2009-10-18_Cap'n_Crunch_RC_Car_Body/
2017-03-28T09:08:50 < upgrdman> also good:  http://farrellf.com/projects/art/2009-08-11_Cheez-It_RC_Car_Body/
2017-03-28T09:08:58 < dongs> huh no shit, that looks like it was pretty involved
2017-03-28T09:09:02 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-28T09:09:06 < dongs> upgrdman: thats like, stenciled on?
2017-03-28T09:09:33 < upgrdman> dongs, vinyl stencils, ya. but all paint. no stickers left on the body
2017-03-28T09:09:44 < dongs> how the fuck did you do those color gradations or wahtever
2017-03-28T09:09:51 < ohsix> airbrush bruh
2017-03-28T09:09:54 < dongs> gradients?
2017-03-28T09:09:55 < dongs> wahtever
2017-03-28T09:09:56 < upgrdman> and ya, took a long time to do. autismed for maybe 4 or 6 hours
2017-03-28T09:09:57 < ohsix> do you even air
2017-03-28T09:10:03 < upgrdman> dongs, airbrush
2017-03-28T09:10:20 < ohsix> airbrush is the vga shareware look of paint
2017-03-28T09:10:34 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/291064751763-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
2017-03-28T09:10:43 < upgrdman> i used that brush
2017-03-28T09:11:28 < ohsix> http://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/a/alien-carnage-1pe/alien-carnage_12.gif peak vga
2017-03-28T09:11:53 < ohsix> upgrdman: do you have a 3d printer?
2017-03-28T09:11:57 < dongs> R2COM why did you kill them
2017-03-28T09:12:03 < upgrdman> more of my airbrush fuckery is here   http://farrellf.com/projects/art/
2017-03-28T09:12:15 < ohsix> upgrdman: i wanted to build a fishing line & air brush nozzle one
2017-03-28T09:12:28 < ohsix> tiny af, maybe cm^3 print area
2017-03-28T09:12:29 < upgrdman> ohsix, i dont have a 3d printer
2017-03-28T09:12:33 < ohsix> ic
2017-03-28T09:12:45 < dongs> upgrdman: so basically you just apply different pressure or something and it gets brighter/darker?
2017-03-28T09:12:50 < upgrdman> i plan to buy a laser cutter, but im busy being a penny pinching jew until i buy a house
2017-03-28T09:13:10 < ohsix> where are you going to buy
2017-03-28T09:13:23 < upgrdman> dongs, the lever on the airbrush controls how fast the paint shoots out. level postion + distance to surface = size of gradient
2017-03-28T09:13:40 < ohsix> just tell him to get one and try it out, it's not a big investment
2017-03-28T09:14:13 < upgrdman> dongs, https://youtu.be/IIptN68Z2Co?t=73
2017-03-28T09:14:46 < dongs> cool
2017-03-28T09:14:48 < dongs> too pro for me
2017-03-28T09:14:51 < upgrdman> ohsix, the house? prolly somewhere in orange county
2017-03-28T09:15:03 < dongs> buy a house next to R2COM in shittycoon valley
2017-03-28T09:15:11 < upgrdman> irvine would be nice, but im not rich enough for there
2017-03-28T09:15:38 < upgrdman> maybe huntington beach or costa mesa or tustin or a super small house an irvine
2017-03-28T09:15:47 < ohsix> i wanna be in a place where i think buying a house is a good idea, slightly jealous
2017-03-28T09:16:04 < ohsix> i'll house sit while you're in china
2017-03-28T09:16:11 < upgrdman> ohsix, ? .or isnt somewhere you'd want to buy a house?
2017-03-28T09:16:17 < ohsix> anywhere
2017-03-28T09:16:33 < ohsix> i have this strong sense that owning is just a bad idea, it's not well supported
2017-03-28T09:17:05 < branjb> you in iraq?
2017-03-28T09:17:16 < branjb> chicago?
2017-03-28T09:17:26 < branjb> really
2017-03-28T09:17:28 < branjb> near intel?
2017-03-28T09:17:35 < upgrdman> ohsix, well fwiw, i bought my condo near the bottom of the market. if i were to sell today, at the zestimate value (zillow.com) i would profit over $100,000. like live here for free for five years, then pocket 100k
2017-03-28T09:17:48 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-28T09:18:07 < branjb> ya i bought my house in 2009
2017-03-28T09:18:09 < branjb> winning
2017-03-28T09:18:11 < ohsix> do you guys' know who beej is
2017-03-28T09:18:32 < upgrdman> ohsix, if you have a personality and lifestlyle that will let you live somewhere for 5+ years, buying a house is often a very wise choice
2017-03-28T09:18:36 < ohsix> he's got a modest habitat for humanity hosue with the same floorplan as my aunts house and it's $$$$$$$$$$$
2017-03-28T09:18:39 < upgrdman> BUT dont buy at the top of the market
2017-03-28T09:18:45 < upgrdman> right now in so cal... it's the top of the market
2017-03-28T09:18:49 < ohsix> occupancy rate here is like 99.somelargepercent
2017-03-28T09:19:00 < upgrdman> so im hoping Trump will bankrupt america so i can afford a nice house
2017-03-28T09:19:05 < dongs> haha
2017-03-28T09:19:48 < upgrdman> R2COM, you just jealous. you admitted a while ago that you wanted to like in CA. but then you realized that your sorry russian ass is too fucking poor. 
2017-03-28T09:20:01 < ohsix> h3h
2017-03-28T09:20:14 < ohsix> modulo sales tax, sf was actually a little cheaper than bend
2017-03-28T09:20:21 < ohsix> but housing costs is $$$$$$$
2017-03-28T09:20:45 < ohsix> it's weird how making a place nicer to live can really fuck it up, people want to live there
2017-03-28T09:20:50 < upgrdman> R2COM, enjoy your summer heat in phoenix az. faggot.
2017-03-28T09:21:17 < upgrdman> ;) j/k bro, so whatever you want.
2017-03-28T09:21:24 < ohsix> h3h
2017-03-28T09:21:36 < upgrdman> at least az is mostly dry heat
2017-03-28T09:21:37 < ohsix> the new age crazyshit is worse than the heat
2017-03-28T09:21:47 < upgrdman> unlike FUCKING CHINA where its hot + humid as balls
2017-03-28T09:21:48 < dongs> i think average AZ temp is liek 50C in the summer
2017-03-28T09:22:46 < ohsix> semi-serious about house sitting
2017-03-28T09:23:06 < ohsix> i'm not in sf now cuz i don't want to put my friend out that had me come down in september heheheh
2017-03-28T09:23:23 < ohsix> being most of the way there would be kewl
2017-03-28T09:23:36 < upgrdman> ohsix, appreciate the offer, but i dont even know you IRL. letting some IRC friend housesit for me sounds like a... bad idea
2017-03-28T09:24:06 < ohsix> it's not
2017-03-28T09:24:20 < ohsix> but i can get references
2017-03-28T09:24:30 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10-Pcs-Lot-2-Phase-4-Wire-Micro-Miniature-Screw-Rod-Stepper-Step-Motor-Drive/32800254729.html how to turn this into a release mechanism
2017-03-28T09:24:33 < PeterM> dude, o6 aint gonna leave you alkone now that youve called him your IRC friend
2017-03-28T09:25:29 < ohsix> put a bent piece of wire on there that keeps it square and has a part that goes into another thing to hold it when it is armed
2017-03-28T09:25:53 < ohsix> oh shit
2017-03-28T09:25:58 < ohsix> i could just put a nut on the threads
2017-03-28T09:26:11 < ohsix> then cut the end off
2017-03-28T09:26:17 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol, no. he offered to housesit for me when im in cn
2017-03-28T09:26:33 < ohsix> if it goes through a u shaped channel when it retracted it can let loose a string or whatever
2017-03-28T09:26:46 < dongs> yeah sounds like a great idea
2017-03-28T09:26:59 < PeterM> that sounds like the dumbest thing ever
2017-03-28T09:27:18 < PeterM> hey dongs, while your not using your minivan, you mind if i drive it around?
2017-03-28T09:27:30 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-28T09:27:35 < dongs> hey upgrdman while youre not using your gf, do you mind if I drive her around
2017-03-28T09:27:46 < ohsix> more like would you like me to clean it
2017-03-28T09:27:55 < ohsix> while you allow me to be near a city i want to be in
2017-03-28T09:28:04 < ohsix> trust me it's a way better deal for me
2017-03-28T09:28:09 < PeterM> dongs owuld ahve said R2COM but dongs doesnt want to fuck a bear
2017-03-28T09:28:10 < ohsix> but urrite f it
2017-03-28T09:28:37 < ohsix> i don't want to make the case, i'm sure we'll eventually meet up somewhere
2017-03-28T09:28:58 < ohsix> sf has some cool ai/robotics meetups
2017-03-28T09:29:00 < upgrdman> ya i'd be down to meet up for a beer with anyone in here
2017-03-28T09:29:09 < dongs> R2COM: go ahead and invite o6 into your house then
2017-03-28T09:29:10 < upgrdman> well except i dont drink beer, but you know what i mena
2017-03-28T09:29:21 < ohsix> what do you drink
2017-03-28T09:29:28 < upgrdman> mt dew
2017-03-28T09:29:33 < upgrdman> ;)
2017-03-28T09:29:38 < ohsix> ic
2017-03-28T09:29:42 < PeterM> you mounting jew
2017-03-28T09:29:46 < dongs> isnt that literally piss
2017-03-28T09:29:49 < dongs> how can you drink taht shti
2017-03-28T09:29:50 < upgrdman> prolly
2017-03-28T09:30:02 < upgrdman> i dunno, pizza + mt dew == ideal meal.
2017-03-28T09:30:12 < upgrdman> i guess i really am lower class white trash
2017-03-28T09:30:37 < ohsix> i did that when i was like 14
2017-03-28T09:30:53 < ohsix> glad, if i had my own money i'd probably be dead
2017-03-28T09:31:01 < PeterM> jesus fuck man
2017-03-28T09:31:12 < PeterM> i hope your works health insurance is good
2017-03-28T09:31:20 < PeterM> yes but thats unrelated
2017-03-28T09:31:29 < ohsix> i ate those totinos pizzas, they've got like 700mg of salt in them
2017-03-28T09:31:34 < PeterM> because upgrdman is gonna die if it isnt
2017-03-28T09:31:34 < ohsix> dunno where it hides it all
2017-03-28T09:31:49 < upgrdman> PeterM, i didnt say i eat pizza + mt dew every day
2017-03-28T09:31:54 < upgrdman> more like every OTHER day
2017-03-28T09:31:58 < ohsix> you guys' aren't stimulating my aliexpress buying of random crap
2017-03-28T09:32:06 < PeterM> ...
2017-03-28T09:32:35 < upgrdman> ohsix, build a robotic snek
2017-03-28T09:32:45 < ohsix> hehehhe
2017-03-28T09:32:53 < ohsix> that will have to be the next robot thing
2017-03-28T09:32:54 < upgrdman> that'll stimulate the fuck out of your alishitspress shopping
2017-03-28T09:33:01 < ohsix> i got the stuff for snek
2017-03-28T09:33:32 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2PCS-lot-New-2-Phase-4-Wire-Mini-Stepper-Motor-Copper-Gear-6-5-8mm-Micro/32794809005.html i could solder a wire to the gear here
2017-03-28T09:33:48 < ohsix> just an L shaped piece, rotate it 90deg to drop it
2017-03-28T09:33:53 < upgrdman> PeterM, so what kinda diet do you like
2017-03-28T09:34:24 < PeterM> like real food
2017-03-28T09:34:26 < ohsix> when you set it before takeoff you just move the wire into position
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2017-03-28T09:35:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, ++ on the italian and raghead food. good stuff
2017-03-28T09:36:56 < PeterM> man just i dunno, fuckin lightly fry a chicken fillet, make soem mash and stick it with some steamed vege, or like grill some sausages, have a nice salad and shit and some boiled taters, or make some spag bol, or a stirfry, or vege fritters, or tacos/burritos or liek fuckjign anytrhing
2017-03-28T09:37:03 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/h2kRxqB.png something shaped like this
2017-03-28T09:37:13 < ohsix> but i could also just have a straight wire lul
2017-03-28T09:37:23 < PeterM> mate fuckin steak chips, salad all fuckn fine
2017-03-28T09:37:36 < PeterM> shit is ALL better than mtjew and fuckin piza
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2017-03-28T09:38:44 < upgrdman> PeterM, lol. i eat like 75% of what you just listed. 
2017-03-28T09:38:50 < ohsix> hm i could set the thing all sorts of ways with that motor, even a dc motor
2017-03-28T09:39:01 < ohsix> i could bend the freaking shaft of the actual motor
2017-03-28T09:39:10 < upgrdman> i dont just eat pizza + mt dew. 
2017-03-28T09:39:13 < ohsix> need ideas chapz
2017-03-28T09:39:31 < upgrdman> R2COM, i got fajitas from pizza hut in china. was pretty good too
2017-03-28T09:39:44 < PeterM> yeah man, yo ueat mtjew and kfc too
2017-03-28T09:39:49 < PeterM> or mtjew and mcdongles
2017-03-28T09:40:11 < PeterM> aparrently from your description of foodds  you ate when in china
2017-03-28T09:40:16 < upgrdman> PeterM, yes
2017-03-28T09:40:30 < upgrdman> R2COM know exactly what a dick tastes like
2017-03-28T09:40:57 < ohsix> oh shit
2017-03-28T09:41:13 < ohsix> would suck to reset but you could put the hook in wax and heat it electrically
2017-03-28T09:41:47 < ohsix> that would just be the weight of the resistor plus wax olol
2017-03-28T09:42:53 < ohsix> string could be tied to hot wire, would melt
2017-03-28T09:43:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, fwiw, the mcdonalds in cn tastes nothing like mcdonalds in usa
2017-03-28T09:43:14 < PeterM> yeah, i can cook well too, but mostly live off  the easy shit i listed because healthy, chepa, easy
2017-03-28T09:43:24 < upgrdman> i think usa uses more hormones in their cows and chickens
2017-03-28T09:43:41 < PeterM> doesnt the fda sorta forbit that shit?
2017-03-28T09:43:47 < upgrdman> of course, mcd in cn is still shit fast food, but it taste a lil better than usa mcd
2017-03-28T09:44:01 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol
2017-03-28T09:44:07 < upgrdman> and free range, amirite
2017-03-28T09:44:22 < upgrdman> PeterM, not at all
2017-03-28T09:44:40 < ohsix> no ideas or no interest, lul
2017-03-28T09:45:00 < upgrdman> ohsix, wtf are you trying to do again?
2017-03-28T09:45:22 < ohsix> i need something i can trigger to release a string
2017-03-28T09:45:23 < upgrdman> you seem to have a stepper motor fettish, but other than that, whats going on now?
2017-03-28T09:45:34 < dongs> just good ol' autism
2017-03-28T09:45:37 < PeterM> at some stage in my life when i was a sparky i had to do some work for a local chicken farm (produces 250k+ chickens/week), i learned a lot about local chicken production
2017-03-28T09:45:41 < dongs> non-projects and non-complete projects
2017-03-28T09:45:43 < ohsix> in the least weight possible, but not too much of a pain in the ass
2017-03-28T09:46:09 < ohsix> heh
2017-03-28T09:46:14 < upgrdman> ohsix, hmm fuck if i know. i never try to make small things
2017-03-28T09:46:15 < ohsix> could use a screw like in vending machines
2017-03-28T09:46:25 < ohsix> ic
2017-03-28T09:46:36 < upgrdman> PeterM, where are you again. .ca?
2017-03-28T09:46:42 < PeterM> there are regualtions of hormones and shit super strict, and withtout them they still manage to take a chicken from chick->cookable size in like 3.5 wweeks
2017-03-28T09:46:43 < dongs> ausfail
2017-03-28T09:46:47 < PeterM> im straya
2017-03-28T09:46:59 < ohsix> the vending machine screw is a good idea
2017-03-28T09:47:10 < PeterM> was rural straya, now city straya
2017-03-28T09:47:17 < upgrdman> oh ya i had some aussie steak at cn pizza hut too
2017-03-28T09:47:20 < upgrdman> pretty good
2017-03-28T09:47:31 < ohsix> if it had n turns, it could release n things
2017-03-28T09:48:48 < upgrdman> it kinda sux not being able to cook when in cn tho. daily restaurant food isnt pretty bad for health
2017-03-28T09:48:57 < ohsix> how
2017-03-28T09:48:59 < dongs> PeterM: oh,  you moved?
2017-03-28T09:49:01 < ohsix> er, isn't?
2017-03-28T09:49:02 < upgrdman> on the flip side, so much walking when in cn that it kinda makes up for some of it
2017-03-28T09:49:03 < PeterM> ya
2017-03-28T09:49:18 < upgrdman> s/isnt/is
2017-03-28T09:49:20 < ohsix> what's the crappiest thing chinese people tend to eat
2017-03-28T09:49:27 < upgrdman> ohsix, random meat
2017-03-28T09:49:27 < ohsix> haven't seen a lot of obese chinese
2017-03-28T09:49:52 < ohsix> random meat is great
2017-03-28T09:49:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, i swear to fucking god, americans feed their cats and dogs better quality mean than most chinese eat
2017-03-28T09:49:59 < upgrdman> meat*
2017-03-28T09:50:29 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya they dont get fat. and cn girls are totally paranoid about getting fat. they over do it and get nearly anorexic tho
2017-03-28T09:50:57 < PeterM> decided to do a few more years at university and add mech-eng to the list of blogging skills
2017-03-28T09:51:13 < upgrdman> i also wonder if that the chinese use so many spices etc... to cover up the taste of the shit meat
2017-03-28T09:51:14 < ohsix> lolwut watching half in the bag, elizabeth banks played rita repulsa and it isn't camp
2017-03-28T09:51:32 < ohsix> why is it shit
2017-03-28T09:51:41 < ohsix> er i mean, how can you tell
2017-03-28T09:51:48 < PeterM> upgrdman nah, even wiht good meat they still use boatloads
2017-03-28T09:51:55 < upgrdman> PeterM, k
2017-03-28T09:51:57 < ohsix> it's not just overly lean or anything?
2017-03-28T09:52:25 < upgrdman> ohsix, tastes aweful. not sure how to phrase it. also just random cutoffs of meat, never any good cuts. they eat the scraps, so to speak
2017-03-28T09:53:00 < upgrdman> i guess most of them are used to poverty, so just having any meat is a nice thing
2017-03-28T09:53:09 < ohsix> mm scraps
2017-03-28T09:53:23 < upgrdman> when i walked around the poorer areas of shanghai... damn. legit depressing.
2017-03-28T09:53:39 < upgrdman> and that shanghai still. dont even wanna think about how the rural farmers live
2017-03-28T09:53:52 < ohsix> you've got enough white savior money to fix a few
2017-03-28T09:54:44 < dongs> heh
2017-03-28T09:54:45 < dongs> like isaid
2017-03-28T09:54:45 < ohsix> i like muh hotdogs and pink slimes
2017-03-28T09:54:53 < dongs> we turned into a wrong road someweher in north china
2017-03-28T09:54:58 < dongs> and it looked like a complete fucking wasteland
2017-03-28T09:55:40 < ohsix> lul
2017-03-28T09:55:48 < ohsix> that describes most of the world
2017-03-28T09:55:52 < dongs> next time im in cn i should check out some of the poor places , maybe o6 can move in there
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2017-03-28T09:58:02 < upgrdman> its also very wtf-inducing when you're working with a bunch of engineers in china... and they're not in any way surprised or annoying that the office roof leaks when it rains. there were like 4 or 5 pots on the floor when it rained.
2017-03-28T09:58:06 < ohsix> newayz no stepper fetish, just ordering a bunch
2017-03-28T09:58:27 < ohsix> anything that moves can do it, question is which weighs the least and secondly which are the easiest to reliably build
2017-03-28T09:59:19 < ohsix> oh shiiit
2017-03-28T09:59:51 < dongs> why? they're not paid to fix the roof
2017-03-28T09:59:54 < dongs> so they're jsut doing their job
2017-03-28T10:00:13 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5PCS-433MHZ-Helical-Antenna-Remote-Control/32765758881.html release mechanism
2017-03-28T10:00:39 < dongs> also wtf slum do you live in that you've got a single-story building office
2017-03-28T10:00:42 < dongs> even chinagirl is like on13th floor
2017-03-28T10:01:02 < dongs> er you live = you work
2017-03-28T10:01:04 < upgrdman> dongs, im not saying they should fix the room. im saying they find that normal, and theyre engineers, not poor ass sweat shop workers
2017-03-28T10:01:39 < upgrdman> dongs, company owsn a 4 story building, engineers work on the top floor
2017-03-28T10:01:44 < dongs> oh haha.
2017-03-28T10:01:45 < dongs> nice.
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2017-03-28T10:02:24 < upgrdman> but ya, but 1st worls standards, it 100% a slum
2017-03-28T10:02:46 < upgrdman> walls with ass loads of cracks... mold/mildew everywhere, nothing maintained, nothing cleaned, etc.
2017-03-28T10:03:05 < dongs> there was no shitpaper in chinagirl office toilets
2017-03-28T10:03:11 < dongs> or I guess probably nowhere in teh building
2017-03-28T10:03:17 < upgrdman> haha same in shanghai
2017-03-28T10:03:27 < zyp> isn't toilet paper theft a big problem in china?
2017-03-28T10:03:28 < upgrdman> i kept a roll in my backpack
2017-03-28T10:03:30 < dongs> i mean ther wasnt even a PLACE for it
2017-03-28T10:03:35 < upgrdman> but luckily i always planned my poops for the hotel
2017-03-28T10:03:44 < dongs> like i think there was a roll mount but it was either torn off or never screwd in
2017-03-28T10:03:48 < dongs> er holes for roll mount
2017-03-28T10:04:03 < dongs> yeah no pooping at the office here either
2017-03-28T10:05:07 < upgrdman> also kinda sad how in shanghai they have tv ads asking people to make room for ambulances and fire trucks to pass
2017-03-28T10:06:05 < zyp> I always think it's ridiculous in japan how ambulances go slower than the rest of the traffic
2017-03-28T10:06:31 < upgrdman> zyp, ? they being extra cautious, or wut?
2017-03-28T10:06:54 < zyp> I mean, this is just me judging by how it looks, but yeah, that's exactly what it looks like
2017-03-28T10:09:19 < dongs> hm
2017-03-28T10:09:23 < dongs> i never seen any china tv
2017-03-28T10:09:27 < dongs> where did you watch it
2017-03-28T10:09:32 < upgrdman> in hotel
2017-03-28T10:09:43 < dongs> oh heh i never turn that shit on
2017-03-28T10:10:00 < upgrdman> i discovered spong bob square pants when i was in china
2017-03-28T10:10:05 < upgrdman> never saw it in the usa before that, lol
2017-03-28T10:10:21 < dongs> was that original or clone
2017-03-28T10:10:34 < upgrdman> original, but dubbed in chinese
2017-03-28T10:12:00 < upgrdman> with the internet sucking so much in cn, i often watched tv or at least had it on in the background while i read ebooks or shit
2017-03-28T10:12:25 < upgrdman> holy shit, chinese classical opera are SO FUCKING ANNOYING. the screeching sounds they make, lolwut
2017-03-28T10:13:03 < upgrdman> they also have an ENTIRE CHANNEL dedicates to military dramas that depicted japs as savages
2017-03-28T10:14:09 < dongs> haha
2017-03-28T10:14:18 < upgrdman> in the summer time they have a few of theses shows   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23gQv7g5m8
2017-03-28T10:14:39 < dongs> wopw that looks liek a ripof of some jap shit
2017-03-28T10:14:46 < dongs> except in japan they usually land in poop
2017-03-28T10:15:28 < upgrdman> haha
2017-03-28T10:20:11 < PeterM> that sounds liek super rip of japshit
2017-03-28T10:20:16 < PeterM> even hte song in the background
2017-03-28T10:20:31 < upgrdman> ya llevna polka or wtf its called
2017-03-28T10:20:38 < upgrdman> hatsune miku version
2017-03-28T10:21:06 < upgrdman> ya this    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrgO_9ey53M
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2017-03-28T10:28:48 < stm32> putt putt
2017-03-28T10:29:05 < stm32> click click
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2017-03-28T10:52:46 < ohsix> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL the brailleskateboarding dude is a scientologist http://www.scientologynews.org/press-releases/meet-a-scientologist-aaron-kyro.html
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2017-03-28T12:40:18 < stm32> SEE MY BOOBS
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2017-03-28T13:22:30 < PeterM> i think my neighbours cat just got bit by a snake or something, theres a fuckin obnoxious screeching noise commin from over there
2017-03-28T13:23:39 < PeterM> nvm, i think its their kid.
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2017-03-28T13:39:42  * karlp laughs
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2017-03-28T13:52:11 < dongs> karlp: do i need ground on RS485?
2017-03-28T13:52:42 < zyp> nodes should be at a fairly similar potential at least
2017-03-28T13:52:58 < karlp> a and b need a "common" reference,
2017-03-28T13:53:03 < karlp> it doesn't need to be ground.
2017-03-28T13:53:03 < zyp> since they are not galvanically isolated
2017-03-28T13:53:17 < karlp> but yeah, it's 3 wire system, not 2.
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2017-03-28T13:53:57 < karlp> you can get into fire hazard issues with long runs if you do the grounding wrong apparentlyt.
2017-03-28T13:53:58 < Thorn> rs485 drivers should have max common mode voltage specified
2017-03-28T13:54:32 < karlp> www.ti.com/lit/an/snla049b/snla049b.pdf might be interesting.
2017-03-28T13:55:17 < stm32> serve it up
2017-03-28T13:55:25 < karlp> I don't really actually get into those problems, as our devices are all powered by the same bus, not self powered.
2017-03-28T13:55:45 < karlp> so no ground loop or return current issues, just whether we have enough power for all devices with the cable resistance
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2017-03-28T15:14:12 < dongs> what the fuck lunix
2017-03-28T15:16:23 < englishman> day 2 of Steffanx sitting at home eating strooptendies and playing minecraft
2017-03-28T15:23:11 < englishman> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1051/6200/products/Pi-LPF-650px.jpg?v=1451990193
2017-03-28T15:23:18 < englishman> i guess layout doesnt really matter @30MHz lol
2017-03-28T15:23:49 < englishman> er 30m
2017-03-28T15:24:10 < dongs> fucking shitberrypi accessories
2017-03-28T15:24:55 < englishman> yea
2017-03-28T15:25:01 < englishman> bitbang rf
2017-03-28T15:39:31 < Laurenceb> its kind of smart tbh
2017-03-28T15:39:42 < Laurenceb> but you can do same thing with stm32f4 iirc
2017-03-28T15:39:49 < Laurenceb> abuse pll and clkout
2017-03-28T15:39:51 < karlp> well, it _doesn't_ matter at 30MHZ surely.
2017-03-28T15:42:56 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J31NFYA/
2017-03-28T15:51:16 < karlp> anyone know why I'm getting this sort of err: format '%x' expects argument of type 'unsigned int', but argument 2 has type 'uint32_t {aka long unsigned int}' [-Wformat=] ?
2017-03-28T15:51:48 < karlp> I've nver had it before that I know of, and uint32_t and unsigned int are both 32bit.
2017-03-28T15:52:06 < karlp> i can even printf sizeof() the types on the target and they're both matching.
2017-03-28T15:54:04 < karlp> or did I just always use PRIu32 shit in the past.
2017-03-28T15:54:42 < dongs> 'uint32_t {aka long unsigned int}' [-Wformat=] ?
2017-03-28T15:54:44 < dongs> what teh fuck?
2017-03-28T15:54:46 < dongs> did you include some aids
2017-03-28T15:54:55 < dongs> or compiling on retarduino?
2017-03-28T15:55:00 < dongs> uint32_t is == unsigned int
2017-03-28T15:55:04 < dongs> not long unsigned int
2017-03-28T15:56:13 < karlp> yeah, I know, that's what's annoying me.
2017-03-28T15:56:18 < dongs> is this stm32?
2017-03-28T15:56:21 < karlp> yes.
2017-03-28T15:56:30 < dongs> and you've included <stdint.h>?
2017-03-28T15:56:33 < dongs> to get that uint32_t
2017-03-28T15:56:38 < karlp> code runs fine nad runtime printf of sizeof(uint32_t) == 4, and sizeof(unsigned int) == 4 too
2017-03-28T15:56:41 < karlp> yes
2017-03-28T15:56:58 < dongs> right
2017-03-28T15:57:43 < Steffanx> Make it day 9 englishman 
2017-03-28T15:57:48 < Steffanx> And no minecraft
2017-03-28T15:59:22 < Steffanx> Actually altiuming a bit. 
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2017-03-28T16:02:16 < Steffanx> You better go make a ride to beaver post in montreal.
2017-03-28T16:02:40 < Steffanx> F-ing montrealists are eating your cookies.
2017-03-28T16:05:36 < Steffanx> Are you?
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2017-03-28T16:08:02 < Steffanx> Then im good too.
2017-03-28T16:08:11 < Steffanx> Stop doing that.
2017-03-28T16:09:56 < Laurenceb> Monreal?
2017-03-28T16:10:04 < Laurenceb> crt is there?
2017-03-28T16:11:25 < Steffanx> no, but englishman's stroopwaffles are there.
2017-03-28T16:11:28 < Laurenceb> serious business http://i.imgur.com/QHWE0EN.png
2017-03-28T16:19:58 < Steffanx> I stumbled up on Laurenceb on the web, but not going to post... 
2017-03-28T16:20:08 < Laurenceb> wut
2017-03-28T16:25:05 < Laurenceb> link?
2017-03-28T16:29:25 < Steffanx> See msg.
2017-03-28T16:30:45 < PeterM> ?
2017-03-28T16:31:32 < Steffanx> You dont want to know.
2017-03-28T16:32:28 < PeterM> f
2017-03-28T16:33:24 < Steffanx> ancy?
2017-03-28T16:35:27 < PeterM> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/press-f-to-pay-respects
2017-03-28T16:36:04 < PaulFertser> Isn't it strange it's year 2017 and current windows version still doesn't have an editor that handle \n line endings out of the box? Despite this convention being used on the majority of computers worldwide (I think not only android but also ios smartphones should be counted in).
2017-03-28T16:36:36 < Steffanx> wordpad can do it right?
2017-03-28T16:36:38 < emeryth> what about worpad?
2017-03-28T16:36:49 < PeterM> wordpad can do it
2017-03-28T16:37:02 < Steffanx> but wordpad windows 10 is too fancy, it's almost word.
2017-03-28T16:38:23 < PaulFertser> Wordpad is kinda risky, it's not a pure text editor, it shows warnings etc when you're trying to save plain text. I'm not sure it can be trusted. And not sure it doesn't overwrite your file with one having \r\n when you press "save" (isn't that kind of ironic too, you press File->Save and in fact the original file gets deleted and something else is written there).
2017-03-28T16:42:41 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2004/09/11/make-a-ramjet-engine/#comment-2186222
2017-03-28T16:47:32 < englishman> Laurenceb: 
2017-03-28T16:47:38 < englishman> so this thing does have AFC pull-in
2017-03-28T16:47:45 < englishman> but it's actually far more involved than silabs
2017-03-28T16:47:50 < englishman> and rather interesting
2017-03-28T16:47:57 < Laurenceb> this sounds hawt
2017-03-28T16:48:02 < Laurenceb> but a pita to read :P
2017-03-28T16:48:11 < englishman> theres multiple different states all with their own rx settings
2017-03-28T16:48:16 < aandrew> ramjets are kind of hot
2017-03-28T16:48:29 < Laurenceb> englishman: sounds similar to silabs then
2017-03-28T16:48:33 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/6tvK69l.png
2017-03-28T16:49:22 < englishman> so it can change rxbw mid-packet
2017-03-28T16:50:08 < Laurenceb> cool
2017-03-28T16:51:03 < Laurenceb> why are there 3 preamble parameter sets O_o  ?
2017-03-28T16:51:19 < englishman> yeah even the code generation tool only uses 2
2017-03-28T16:51:25 < Laurenceb> heh
2017-03-28T16:51:26 < englishman> i guess for extra autism
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2017-03-28T16:51:50 < Laurenceb> well looks like it has similar features to silabs then
2017-03-28T16:52:04 < englishman> yeah except 0 fucking software support for this chip
2017-03-28T16:53:07 < Laurenceb> silabs is pretty similar
2017-03-28T16:53:08 < englishman> they have a 1800 number i should call and ask wtf
2017-03-28T16:53:13 < Laurenceb> if you want it to actually work well
2017-03-28T16:53:20 < aandrew> which chip is that
2017-03-28T16:53:24 < englishman> AX5243
2017-03-28T16:53:37 < aandrew> is that one of their RF chips
2017-03-28T16:53:43 < aandrew> spi radio type thing
2017-03-28T16:53:44 < dongs> huh
2017-03-28T16:54:00 < dongs> englishman: this works from 27 to 1050mhz?
2017-03-28T16:54:06 < englishman> sure they all do
2017-03-28T16:54:06 < dongs> like, entire band? 
2017-03-28T16:54:08 < englishman> just change output filter
2017-03-28T16:54:20 < aandrew> I've wanted to play with those... how is it going?
2017-03-28T16:54:29 < englishman> well some have gaps
2017-03-28T16:54:42 < englishman> aandrew: just spent ~30m on it spinning up registers
2017-03-28T16:54:44 < englishman> it looks great on paper
2017-03-28T16:54:47 < englishman> modern n shit
2017-03-28T16:54:56 < aandrew> hm
2017-03-28T16:54:58 < englishman> but it was released just before AXSEM was eaten by ON
2017-03-28T16:55:04 < englishman> so there's zero support for it
2017-03-28T16:55:13 < englishman> even the programming manual is for older AX5043
2017-03-28T16:55:47 < englishman> so this may be relegated to spare time autismproj
2017-03-28T16:56:10 < Steffanx> A condition we all have so it's perfect. :)
2017-03-28T16:57:27 < englishman> dongs: datasheet says 27-1000MHz with external VCO yeah
2017-03-28T17:00:37  * Laurenceb is tempted to see if PSK can actually be made to work
2017-03-28T17:02:07 < Steffanx> Why wouldnt it?
2017-03-28T17:02:16 < englishman> zero software support
2017-03-28T17:02:26 < englishman> so a bunch of dickery just to get it going
2017-03-28T17:02:36 < englishman> and like 10ppb xtal required
2017-03-28T17:03:51 < Laurenceb> bullshit 
2017-03-28T17:04:06 < Laurenceb> if the parameter change and AFC works anything like as well as silabs
2017-03-28T17:05:05 < Laurenceb> my silabs link manages with +-1ppm tcxo and has 150dB link margin
2017-03-28T17:05:14 < englishman> with fsk
2017-03-28T17:05:27 < Laurenceb> AX5243 should beat lora with psk and fec turned on
2017-03-28T17:05:59 < Laurenceb> should be better than lora with like 10 times the throughput and massively better interference rejection
2017-03-28T17:06:10 < englishman> i agree
2017-03-28T17:06:14 < englishman> but its still autismproj
2017-03-28T17:06:18 < englishman> and requires precise clock source
2017-03-28T17:06:19 < englishman> for psk
2017-03-28T17:06:20 < Laurenceb> or just use sigfox...
2017-03-28T17:06:43 < Laurenceb> bbl
2017-03-28T17:06:49 < Steffanx> It's also Z-wave compatible. Would be nice to open sores all that. The alliance will hate you for it though.
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2017-03-28T17:26:57 < ReadError> englishman: beboop
2017-03-28T17:26:58 < ReadError> http://picoe.ca/products/pablodraw/
2017-03-28T17:27:36 < englishman> hm seen this couldnt get it to work properly
2017-03-28T17:28:39 < Steffanx> You know about photoshop and Illustrator? That's what pros use.
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2017-03-28T17:28:47 < Steffanx> Pros like keil user.
2017-03-28T17:28:48 < Steffanx> s
2017-03-28T17:28:49 < ReadError> works on win10
2017-03-28T17:29:03 < englishman> yeah but its imports/exports never worked properly
2017-03-28T17:29:06 < englishman> maybe for irssi or something
2017-03-28T17:29:31 < Steffanx> So except for IRC trolling it has no use..
2017-03-28T17:30:19 < ReadError> englishman: you need to use a2m
2017-03-28T17:30:29 < ReadError> ansi2mirc
2017-03-28T17:30:42 < englishman> does /asskey work in mirccloud again?
2017-03-28T17:31:00 < ReadError> im using an older version 
2017-03-28T17:31:04 < ReadError> before the ignore stuff
2017-03-28T17:31:23 < englishman> ah yeah
2017-03-28T17:32:15 < ReadError> http://draw.sixteencolors.net/try/
2017-03-28T17:32:44 < dongs> http://www.sixteencolors.net/
2017-03-28T17:32:56 < dongs> main site is ded
2017-03-28T17:32:57 < dongs> lulz
2017-03-28T17:33:02 < dongs> someone didnt pay dreamshithost
2017-03-28T17:35:01 < ReadError> lol oops
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2017-03-28T18:13:44 < englishman> even AX5243 is copypasta from AX5043
2017-03-28T18:13:48 < englishman> talking in depth about pins that arent there
2017-03-28T18:18:31 < Steffanx> hah
2017-03-28T18:18:38 < Steffanx> What's the main difference between the two?
2017-03-28T18:19:05 < Steffanx> no psk and ...
2017-03-28T18:19:17 < englishman> actually both have psk
2017-03-28T18:19:20 < englishman> chip package etc
2017-03-28T18:19:22 < englishman> some features
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2017-03-28T18:19:57 < Steffanx> oh really? Its not listed on the product page.
2017-03-28T18:20:11 < Steffanx> but its in the datasheet indeed
2017-03-28T18:20:11 < englishman> yeah ONsemi really killed all AXSEM's shit
2017-03-28T18:28:43 < Laurenceb> http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11EDB/production/_95353437_5db35293-07b7-458b-a939-fbda7724ff36.jpg
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2017-03-28T18:32:08 < Laurenceb> BARRON 2036
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2017-03-28T18:32:54 < Laurenceb> He's great with computers!
2017-03-28T18:33:41 < aandrew> that poor kid
2017-03-28T18:41:32 < branjb> where did that meme start?
2017-03-28T18:43:50 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72p7s6maECo
2017-03-28T18:45:53 < branjb> sweet vid
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2017-03-28T18:51:01 < Laurenceb>  /newbrit/ tier shitposting
2017-03-28T18:51:33 < Steffanx>  /dontgiveashit/ tier ;)
2017-03-28T18:54:10 < branjb> how important in real life is graphing 3D representations of PDF and CDF functions by hand?
2017-03-28T18:54:21 < Laurenceb> by hand
2017-03-28T18:54:24 < Laurenceb>  > by hand
2017-03-28T18:54:31 < Laurenceb> lurn to surf
2017-03-28T18:54:32 < branjb> that's what i thought
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2017-03-28T18:57:46 < Laurenceb> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Semenology-Bartenders-Paul-Fotie-Photenhauer/dp/1482605228
2017-03-28T18:58:04 < Laurenceb> comments deliver
2017-03-28T19:00:27 < branjb> t. podesta
2017-03-28T19:03:03 < branjb> for any of you guys working with micros or doing embedded shit for work, did you go to college?
2017-03-28T19:04:20 < englishman> whats altiuming Steffanx 
2017-03-28T19:04:36 < Steffanx> Messing around with Altium
2017-03-28T19:04:45 < dongs>  < Steffanx>  /dongsgiveashit/ tier ;)
2017-03-28T19:04:53 < Steffanx> Ya branjb.
2017-03-28T19:05:04 < dongs> i didnt
2017-03-28T19:05:10 < englishman> yeah branjb we are all pros here
2017-03-28T19:05:13 < Steffanx> Obviously :P
2017-03-28T19:05:22 < dongs> thats why I dont know what the fuck im doing 99% of the time
2017-03-28T19:05:33 < branjb> i'm in my last semester of computer enginering and basically have concluded that it was completely worthless/bullshit other than a resume checker
2017-03-28T19:05:37 < englishman> dongs had to learn his ability to fake it on his own
2017-03-28T19:06:07 < dongs> 2017 CE courses = arduino.exe
2017-03-28T19:06:11 < branjb> yep
2017-03-28T19:06:24 < branjb> the only micro that i touched in class for the past 4 years was an atmega328
2017-03-28T19:06:29 < Steffanx> I always saw it as a nice way to get "pointers" to find/figure out other stuff.
2017-03-28T19:06:35 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-28T19:06:39 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-03-28T19:06:45 < Laurenceb> AVR is dead
2017-03-28T19:06:53 < englishman> wow such modern courses very relevant to industry such hands on experience wow ~
2017-03-28T19:06:56 < branjb> lol
2017-03-28T19:07:09 < Steffanx> i had pic16 so be happy :P
2017-03-28T19:07:15 < englishman> did you at least learn ASM
2017-03-28T19:07:15 < Steffanx> And abel.
2017-03-28T19:07:17 < englishman> on 68k
2017-03-28T19:07:19 < dongs> i mean even coding on ESP14/88 would be more relevant to 21st century
2017-03-28T19:07:20 < dongs> than mega328
2017-03-28T19:07:21 < Steffanx> Yes. <3 W register
2017-03-28T19:07:36 < dongs> even tho its still arduino.exe
2017-03-28T19:07:40 < branjb> englishman: i learned how to write assembly by hand and load it into a vm running windows 98 using debug
2017-03-28T19:07:49 < Steffanx> I had this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Boolean_Expression_Language .. and not because im old but because crap on college was crap
2017-03-28T19:07:54 < englishman> well how else are you going to write assembly
2017-03-28T19:07:57 < englishman> if not in notepad.exe
2017-03-28T19:08:02 < branjb> no i mean by
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2017-03-28T19:08:13 < branjb> not using macros like movl, blah, blah
2017-03-28T19:08:45 < branjb> going and looking at the binary values for each instruction, converting to hex, and manually typing it into debug mem space
2017-03-28T19:08:46 < branjb> lol
2017-03-28T19:09:09 < englishman> that is not helpful experience
2017-03-28T19:09:19 < englishman> step 1) find something to copypaste
2017-03-28T19:09:21 < branjb> it consumed ~30 hours of my life two years ago
2017-03-28T19:09:35 < englishman> step 2) copypaste examples until it works
2017-03-28T19:09:44 < englishman> step 3) actually read programming manual
2017-03-28T19:09:54 < englishman> converting binary to instructions is never a step
2017-03-28T19:09:58 < Steffanx> step 4) Hire pakistani.
2017-03-28T19:10:11 < ReadError> lul
2017-03-28T19:10:26 < ReadError> he hasnt been back singe i trollied him ;(
2017-03-28T19:10:38 < Steffanx> Who's he?
2017-03-28T19:10:58 < ReadError> spirit
2017-03-28T19:11:10 < Steffanx> oh your gf is also still gine.
2017-03-28T19:11:11 < Steffanx> gone
2017-03-28T19:11:17 < ReadError> no no
2017-03-28T19:11:24 < ReadError> hes crt's girl
2017-03-28T19:11:59 < ReadError> crt was going to port the paki code to arduino
2017-03-28T19:12:07 < branjb> englishman: http://imgur.com/a/bVZgz
2017-03-28T19:12:48 < englishman> yeah no
2017-03-28T19:12:58 < branjb> that was my embedded class too
2017-03-28T19:12:59 < branjb> lmao
2017-03-28T19:13:02 < Steffanx> but did you also learn about cpu design and stuff branjb?
2017-03-28T19:13:17 < branjb> yeah that was literally the only relevant class that I've taken
2017-03-28T19:13:24 < branjb> wrote a ghetto mips pipeline in verilog
2017-03-28T19:13:49 < Laurenceb> sounds hardcore
2017-03-28T19:14:22 < branjb> overall 1/10 would just skip college
2017-03-28T19:14:50 < Steffanx> Anyway, does it really matter?
2017-03-28T19:14:59 < branjb> well
2017-03-28T19:15:08 < Steffanx> In the end we all ended up in ##stm32.. raging, complaining , trolling, bitching and whatever? :P
2017-03-28T19:15:35 < branjb> right now i'm just making excuses for why i am blowing off this probability class
2017-03-28T19:15:53 < englishman> that shit was the easiest
2017-03-28T19:15:58 < englishman> is it mixed in with business/finance peopel
2017-03-28T19:16:13 < branjb> its engineering probability with 3D gaussians and shit
2017-03-28T19:16:24 < englishman> all the courses that crossed over with business people were easy as shit
2017-03-28T19:16:33 < englishman> ah that one
2017-03-28T19:16:33 < branjb> i know nothing from the class except to show up the day before midterms because he fully reviews what will be on the exam
2017-03-28T19:16:36 < branjb> then i just study that
2017-03-28T19:16:42 < branjb> i don't know wtf it means
2017-03-28T19:16:44 < branjb> but i can replicate it
2017-03-28T19:16:51 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RT0k9w0Q/mrbitskers.png
2017-03-28T19:16:53 < ReadError> @ englishman 
2017-03-28T19:16:58 < englishman> whoa
2017-03-28T19:17:15 < englishman> pretty sure tahts how lilD feels right now
2017-03-28T19:17:20 < ReadError> haha
2017-03-28T19:17:21 < Laurenceb> illuminati confirmed
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2017-03-28T19:27:30 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=894_1490673112
2017-03-28T19:29:44 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/ManeliMelina.html
2017-03-28T19:29:47 < dongs> this guy looks legit
2017-03-28T19:30:13 < branjb> is that you dongs
2017-03-28T19:30:19 < branjb> >my most experience is in Vhdl/verilog FPGA filed, I worked with both Xilinx/Altera fpga and recently with Zynq
2017-03-28T19:30:27 < dongs> im not in shitzerland
2017-03-28T19:30:49 < branjb> Laurenceb what did I just watch
2017-03-28T19:30:51 < dongs> branjb: what does it show for his hourly rate
2017-03-28T19:30:56 < dongs> the box is different from wat i usually see
2017-03-28T19:31:01 < dongs> 250/hr?
2017-03-28T19:31:06 < branjb> $20/USD
2017-03-28T19:31:11 < dongs> hm really
2017-03-28T19:31:20 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/oGnLn
2017-03-28T19:31:22 < dongs> o yeah i see it now
2017-03-28T19:31:22 < dongs> right
2017-03-28T19:31:30 < dongs> tried by incog mode
2017-03-28T19:31:51 < Laurenceb> branjb: I'#m not sure if he is a troll or legit retarded
2017-03-28T19:32:16 < Steffanx> legit.
2017-03-28T19:32:20 < Steffanx> must be.
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2017-03-28T19:36:56 < branjb> nothing says idgaf like copying incorrect answers from the solution manual and still turning it in
2017-03-28T19:38:24 < branjb> the dude used 2*pi*r for volume of a cylinder
2017-03-28T19:40:58 < englishman> and he will graduate with the same degree as you
2017-03-28T19:41:00 < englishman> how does that make you feel
2017-03-28T19:41:21 < englishman> will probably find a better job than you too, and faster
2017-03-28T19:41:27 < branjb> like the competition for employment won't be as bad as i thought
2017-03-28T19:41:30 < branjb> lol
2017-03-28T19:42:24 < karlp> I went to uni, don't regret it at all, totally worthwhile.
2017-03-28T19:42:25 < branjb> srs question who is smarter, the dude who spends $20 and hires a paki to write programming assignment for him, or the dude who spends 8 hours doing it himself and getting it wrong
2017-03-28T19:42:48 < karlp> but yeah, it only matters for the first couple of years.
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2017-03-28T19:42:58 < branjb> uni taught me how to teach myself
2017-03-28T19:43:09 < karlp> that's what it's meant to have done.
2017-03-28T19:43:23 < karlp> if it spent time teaching you some specific current industry practice, you got ripped off
2017-03-28T19:43:29 < branjb> so it was purposely completely shit as far as in class material?
2017-03-28T19:43:41 < branjb> haha
2017-03-28T19:44:22 < branjb> maybe i should have went to ITT tech
2017-03-28T19:44:52 < Steffanx> You are from yankeeland right?
2017-03-28T19:45:09 < branjb> yeah
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2017-03-28T19:47:36 < Steffanx> Better graduate with honours like crt/stvn/stm32 and then go fully mad/crazy after that
2017-03-28T19:47:58 < karlp> shouldn't have been "shit" but what were you expecting?
2017-03-28T19:48:09 < karlp> did I do lots of engineering maths by hand that I'll never do again? sure.
2017-03-28T19:48:25 < karlp> did I do asm without opcodes? fuck no, that sounds absolutely absurd.
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2017-03-28T19:48:40 < branjb> lol
2017-03-28T19:48:50 < karlp> now, where the fuck is my exti15_10 irq?!
2017-03-28T19:49:08 < Steffanx> Your maths will help you find right?
2017-03-28T19:49:16 < Steffanx> -s
2017-03-28T19:49:24 < karlp> sure.
2017-03-28T19:49:31 < englishman> if you dont graduate with honours dont bother graduating
2017-03-28T19:49:37 < karlp> centroids and moments of inertia shit will truly help.
2017-03-28T19:49:39 < englishman> just go back and try it again
2017-03-28T19:49:56 < Steffanx> Will you pay this time?
2017-03-28T19:50:59 < englishman> he's already paying with his most valuable asset
2017-03-28T19:51:05 < branjb> time
2017-03-28T19:51:15 < englishman> the years of his short, terminable youth
2017-03-28T19:51:15 < branjb> only reason I am going to uni is it's free for me
2017-03-28T19:51:16 < englishman> yes
2017-03-28T19:51:24 < branjb> if I had to pay I would have quit after semester 1
2017-03-28T19:53:59 < Steffanx> Free? You must be a damn lucky american
2017-03-28T19:54:19 < branjb> i guess
2017-03-28T19:54:59 < Steffanx> Or is a uni the main reason americans tend to have a huge dept?
2017-03-28T19:55:02 < Steffanx> Debt?
2017-03-28T19:55:22 < branjb> military service gives free school when you're done, the whole reason i signed up was for free school
2017-03-28T19:55:29 < Steffanx> Haha
2017-03-28T19:55:32 < branjb> so wasn't that much luck so much as jewness
2017-03-28T19:55:35 < englishman> dat gi bill
2017-03-28T19:56:01 < branjb> yeah
2017-03-28T19:56:04 < englishman> i signed up for the same reason
2017-03-28T19:56:06 < englishman> but i hated army shit so much
2017-03-28T19:56:14 < englishman> i quit and decided to pay for it myself
2017-03-28T19:56:16 < englishman> wasnt worth it
2017-03-28T19:56:17 < branjb> lol
2017-03-28T19:56:53 < Laurenceb> wtf army
2017-03-28T19:57:00 < Laurenceb> I couldn't handle that shit
2017-03-28T19:57:16 < Laurenceb> school was bad enough, I got expelled twice
2017-03-28T19:58:06 < Laurenceb> would get court marshalled for sure
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2017-03-28T20:07:03  * Laurenceb spent 6 months "home schooled" because no school would let him in
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2017-03-28T20:19:48 < karlp> mofo rcc clock bullshit
2017-03-28T20:19:53 < karlp> you'd think I'd have learnt.
2017-03-28T20:20:02 < karlp> didn't see an rcc bit for "exti" thought I was good to go.
2017-03-28T20:20:10 < karlp> didn't turn on syscfg.
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2017-03-28T20:35:06 < fenugrec> heh
2017-03-28T20:35:12 < fenugrec> when in doubt, set all clockenable bits to 1
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2017-03-28T21:00:56 < Steffanx> Hallo.
2017-03-28T21:00:57 < gxti_> light it up like flava flav
2017-03-28T21:01:58 < Steffanx> Had to google.
2017-03-28T21:02:17 < englishman> had to google flava flav????????????????????????????
2017-03-28T21:02:42 < englishman> showing your age steffans
2017-03-28T21:05:11 < Steffanx> Im more of the eiffel 65, scatman and captain jack generation mr englishman fellow millenial.
2017-03-28T21:13:10 < Tectu> that moment when you fucked up an exam
2017-03-28T21:13:12 < Tectu> and you got 85%
2017-03-28T21:14:38 < englishman> congratulations on your B tectu
2017-03-28T21:15:20 < Steffanx> Why that happens to you all the time Tectu ?
2017-03-28T21:15:57 < Tectu> no idea
2017-03-28T21:16:02 < Tectu> I have been wondering myself the same thing today
2017-03-28T21:16:28 < Steffanx> Soon you will be an smart arse.
2017-03-28T21:16:43 < Tectu> never
2017-03-28T21:16:46 < Tectu> RF exam on thursday
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2017-03-28T21:17:05 < Steffanx> Which you will pass just as easily.
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2017-03-28T21:19:32 < Tectu> lol no
2017-03-28T21:20:05 < Steffanx> Lol yes.
2017-03-28T21:20:51 < Steffanx> englishman: hows the snow condition in .ca? Or cant that be the reason why beaver post is so slow?
2017-03-28T21:21:00 < englishman> currently: snowing
2017-03-28T21:21:10 < englishman> but that has nothing to do with shitty canadapost
2017-03-28T21:23:29 < Steffanx> Hmm ok
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2017-03-28T21:53:29 < ReadError> dont let dongs chatcha 
2017-03-28T21:53:52 < ReadError> can i pump?
2017-03-28T21:56:20 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ
2017-03-28T21:56:27 -!- mode/##stm32 [+c] by Steffanx
2017-03-28T21:56:30 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx
2017-03-28T21:56:54 < ReadError> .
2017-03-28T21:56:58 < ReadError> so weak
2017-03-28T21:57:08 < ReadError> this really limits my selection
2017-03-28T21:57:21 < Steffanx> +c = child mode.
2017-03-28T21:57:43 < ReadError> c = pump it oldschool, b/w
2017-03-28T21:57:56 < Steffanx> For realz?
2017-03-28T21:58:08 < ReadError> ya its a retro throwback flag
2017-03-28T21:58:34 < Steffanx> I just trollback.
2017-03-28T21:58:41 < ReadError> i been pumping hella hard all day though
2017-03-28T21:58:47 < ReadError> so im going to have to take a raincheck
2017-03-28T22:00:54 < Steffanx>  but it's better not to do that mr englishman.
2017-03-28T22:01:36 < englishman> can't wait for ircGL
2017-03-28T22:01:38 < Steffanx> Luckely you are not Laurenceb, so you will survive this one.
2017-03-28T22:02:15 < ReadError> englishman: look in ENN at all the pumps this mornig
2017-03-28T22:02:18 < ReadError> some HQ shit
2017-03-28T22:02:32 < englishman> yeah good stuff
2017-03-28T22:03:01 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LZxTF2B1/mrgump.png
2017-03-28T22:03:08 < Steffanx> lol.
2017-03-28T22:06:33 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/as099RSY/somebish.png
2017-03-28T22:06:40 < ReadError> i think the kitty it my fav tho
2017-03-28T22:07:13 < Steffanx> At least that mrgump one is good an clear. snoop dong is hardly visible. I cannot see that the brown/orange/gray thing is.
2017-03-28T22:07:42 < ReadError> i wonder if ircv3 has 256 color support native?
2017-03-28T22:07:45 < ReadError> i hope it does
2017-03-28T22:08:38 < englishman> no
2017-03-28T22:08:40 < englishman> stroop dogg
2017-03-28T22:09:01 < Steffanx> See, i failed to even read that.
2017-03-28T22:09:11 < Steffanx> Better mr gump
2017-03-28T22:11:37 < Steffanx> oh, its supposed to be waffles -_-
2017-03-28T22:11:49 < englishman> i didnt see the kitty
2017-03-28T22:11:54 < englishman> and irccloud sucks at scrolling up
2017-03-28T22:12:54 < ReadError> # find ansi-unsorted -iname '*ans' -type f | wc -l
2017-03-28T22:12:54 < ReadError> 47783
2017-03-28T22:13:02 < ReadError> so much more to go through
2017-03-28T22:14:26 < Steffanx> Did you make waffles yet in mine craft englishman?
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2017-03-28T22:14:49 < ReadError> i cant even remember which that was in hm
2017-03-28T22:18:51 < Steffanx> is this the latest fun on efnet ReadError? Spamming ascii art..?
2017-03-28T22:19:10 < ReadError> yea
2017-03-28T22:19:23 < ReadError> ban evasion etfc
2017-03-28T22:19:28 < ReadError> classic chatting
2017-03-28T22:23:26 < Steffanx> Some would call it a classic case of autism.
2017-03-28T22:24:03 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/i6Okzm7F/meowmeow.png
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2017-03-28T22:28:55 < Steffanx> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c0/3e/47/c03e47254841839c80f6abe9428a6dcf.jpg
2017-03-28T22:29:35 < englishman> wow such kitty
2017-03-28T22:29:56 < ReadError> Steffanx: http://draw.sixteencolors.net/try/
2017-03-28T22:34:31 < Steffanx> You dont expect me to manually draw that right?
2017-03-28T22:34:36 < Steffanx> I've done pixel art and i hated it.
2017-03-28T22:38:55 < Steffanx> hi
2017-03-28T22:41:45  * Steffanx looks at clock
2017-03-28T22:42:07 < Steffanx> Ah, i have to drive to work with Peter.
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2017-03-28T23:10:31 < Steffanx> something is a big dodgy there: http://imgur.com/a/tzwqC
2017-03-28T23:13:40 < englishman> lol amateur hour at TI
2017-03-28T23:14:28 < englishman> that's why you always use those little hops
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2017-03-28T23:19:22 < Steffanx> Trolling his kids.
2017-03-28T23:19:34 < englishman> wot
2017-03-28T23:20:31 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/A5mSH9H.jpg
2017-03-28T23:21:16 < Steffanx> Is it high or stoned?
2017-03-28T23:21:20 < englishman> yes
2017-03-28T23:21:34 < englishman> on suboxone, no less
2017-03-28T23:21:44 < Steffanx> That wasnt a yes no question :P
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2017-03-28T23:23:58 < englishman> nah he's a good kitty
2017-03-28T23:24:38 < Steffanx> If it's a real lild it will troll you for sure. Better be prepared.
2017-03-28T23:25:45 < englishman> can i borrow him
2017-03-28T23:26:02 < englishman> just dont send it canadapost
2017-03-28T23:26:03 < Steffanx> deja vu?
2017-03-28T23:26:05 < englishman> and itl be fine
2017-03-28T23:26:09 < Steffanx> so no DHL.
2017-03-28T23:28:56 < englishman> do you still have that guy
2017-03-28T23:34:41 < kakimir> http://www.speedtest.net/result/6170689209 I think this LTE dongle from china might be legit
2017-03-28T23:35:38 < kakimir> #caturday
2017-03-28T23:36:11 < ohsix> upgrdman: pin 13 has enough info on it to get speed https://github.com/jdesbonnet/RCWL-0516
2017-03-28T23:36:56 < kakimir> crt: what your cat likes about petting?
2017-03-28T23:38:09 < upgrdman> ohsix, cool
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2017-03-28T23:39:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: they work p. cool, they're less sensitive in a good way, people can sit around talking near them and won't set it off, but if they move their arm they will
2017-03-28T23:40:01 < ohsix> can't test range rn cuz there's too much movement in the building tho
2017-03-28T23:40:27 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-28T23:41:26 < ohsix> i'm gonna have like 8 of these when they all get here :<
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2017-03-28T23:48:10 < kakimir> I need some torrent to test download speed
2017-03-28T23:48:19 < ohsix> kakimir: go to fast.com
2017-03-28T23:51:04 < kakimir> 120
2017-03-28T23:52:10 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMUJvUFVPVGNrOVU/view?usp=sharing
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2017-03-29T00:00:28 < aandrew> wow the eeprom emulation library is shite
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2017-03-29T00:14:42 < englishman> anyone know a USB-A receptacle that's actually mid-mount instead of mostly-top-mount
2017-03-29T00:22:47 < aandrew> I suspect if such a thing is obtainable you could get it from molex
2017-03-29T00:22:58 < englishman> yeah i see a couple in USB3
2017-03-29T00:23:01 < englishman> which is fine
2017-03-29T00:23:07 < englishman> https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/molex-llc/0483950003/WM10415CT-ND/4701509
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2017-03-29T00:30:44 < kakimir> recommend a wristwatch
2017-03-29T00:31:35 < kakimir> inexpensive and waterproof
2017-03-29T00:32:56 < englishman> does using a USB3 receptacle with only USB2 pins connected violate USB2 spec
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2017-03-29T00:33:23 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-03-29T00:33:27 < Laurenceb_> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Rinaldi3/publication/258077684/viewer/AS:268185903562763@1440951910630/background/1.png
2017-03-29T00:33:44 < englishman> Laurenceb_: you gotta send your own preamble in these AXSEM chips
2017-03-29T00:33:47 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kE0pxRkMtQ
2017-03-29T00:33:51 < englishman> like actually write preamble to fifo
2017-03-29T00:34:26 < kakimir> musics times
2017-03-29T00:34:32 < englishman> thats a good track
2017-03-29T00:34:45 < kakimir> finally I got it rigth
2017-03-29T00:36:15 < kakimir> is this summer tune for your englishman ?
2017-03-29T00:36:32 < englishman> in 2001 sure
2017-03-29T00:36:33 < Laurenceb_> englishman: lol at this point its getting easier to use silabs
2017-03-29T00:37:07 < englishman> nah i'll get it working shortly
2017-03-29T00:37:12 < englishman> its just like
2017-03-29T00:37:12 < englishman> wtf
2017-03-29T00:38:14 < kakimir> there isn't music like this anymore
2017-03-29T00:39:27 < englishman> yeah there is
2017-03-29T00:39:46 < englishman> but music is a lot more accessible
2017-03-29T00:39:49 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: heres something better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qZg3zOkpw
2017-03-29T00:39:51 < englishman> so theres more to discover
2017-03-29T00:40:26 < kakimir> by that I mean in radio
2017-03-29T00:40:42 < englishman> yeah but who listens to radio
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2017-03-29T00:42:09 < Laurenceb_> di.fm
2017-03-29T00:42:17 < Laurenceb_> I remember the days
2017-03-29T00:43:03 < Laurenceb_> kind of wish I'd been old enough to have gone to warp parties, but hearing the crowd talking in the background they were quite obnoxious
2017-03-29T00:43:40 < Laurenceb_> that was in gaia fm days, even longer ago
2017-03-29T00:45:53 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02UH1QrqwTs
2017-03-29T00:46:08 < Laurenceb_> what a lineup
2017-03-29T00:46:50 < kakimir> fucking tissues... when I actually need them for wiping my nose I have used the whole pack already for other purposes
2017-03-29T00:48:26 < Emil> "other purposes"
2017-03-29T00:48:30 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-03-29T00:48:51 < englishman> howcome this video is only 45min long laurent
2017-03-29T00:49:38 < Laurenceb_> good question, should be 1:15
2017-03-29T00:49:46 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: found your desk http://i.imgur.com/EehLK.jpg
2017-03-29T00:50:10 < Emil> :DD
2017-03-29T00:50:35 < kakimir> sweet
2017-03-29T00:51:13 < Laurenceb_>  O_o
2017-03-29T00:53:26 < Laurenceb_> overheard my Iranian labview monkey talking to a friend in english today
2017-03-29T00:53:49 < Laurenceb_>  "dude you need to lower your standards to be successful, I have negative standards"
2017-03-29T00:54:06 < kakimir> have you been studying openfoam Laurenceb_ ?
2017-03-29T00:54:32 < Laurenceb_>  "I actively seek out the most disgusting, obese, aweful girls"
2017-03-29T00:55:09 < kakimir> some guys are like that
2017-03-29T00:56:19 < kakimir> you are normal guy but you seek out a rhino to hump with
2017-03-29T00:56:25 < kakimir> makes no sense
2017-03-29T00:57:24 < kakimir> are you like that Laurenceb_
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2017-03-29T00:58:09 < Laurenceb_> lulno
2017-03-29T00:58:50 < Laurenceb_> I decided not to try openfoam, read a few papers on the topic and it looked like the class of problem I wanted to look at needs an infeasibly large mesh
2017-03-29T00:59:03 < kakimir> what is your plan then?
2017-03-29T01:00:56 < Laurenceb_> I've haxored some matlab code that extrapolates from published turbulence spectral density functions
2017-03-29T01:01:21 < Laurenceb_> seems to match the one flight I've managed to match it too within 5%, which impressed me
2017-03-29T01:01:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FglEnYSAwdg
2017-03-29T01:01:42 < Laurenceb_> put that through some CV toolkit haxor
2017-03-29T01:02:04 < kakimir> could you make a baloon that would take a man to edge of space Laurenceb_ ?
2017-03-29T01:02:12 < Steffanx> From damn kids Laurenceb_? -_-
2017-03-29T01:02:15 < kakimir> and how much such thing costs?
2017-03-29T01:02:26 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: wut?
2017-03-29T01:02:33 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: maybe 200 euros
2017-03-29T01:03:00 < kakimir> we need a capsule there too with heating and oxygen
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2017-03-29T01:03:06 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: details of envelope from guy on irc, then youtube grabber - video - matlab cv toolkit
2017-03-29T01:03:26 < kakimir> 400kg payload maybe Laurenceb_
2017-03-29T01:03:44 < kakimir> I think the helium for that costs 200eur
2017-03-29T01:03:57 < kakimir> the ball itself multiples of that
2017-03-29T01:04:17 < kakimir> do airplanes eat balloons ever Laurenceb_ ?
2017-03-29T01:05:40 < kakimir> sometimes airplanes hit to parachuters
2017-03-29T01:05:59 < Steffanx> Nevermind Laurenceb_... you just seem to make fun of your #highaltitude friends sometimes. And this video has kids in it.
2017-03-29T01:08:28 < Laurenceb_> 400kg would be very expensive, it would need custom envelope
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2017-03-29T01:09:04 < kakimir> what is not expensive then Laurenceb_ ?
2017-03-29T01:10:06 < Emil> Laurenceb_: thanks for that video link
2017-03-29T01:10:25 < Emil> Laurenceb_: I had only heard Boards of Canada before and loved it
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2017-03-29T01:10:32 < Emil> for some reason never looked them up more
2017-03-29T01:11:04 < Emil> Dayvan Cowboy - Boards Of Canada, that is
2017-03-29T01:18:58 < englishman> a classic
2017-03-29T01:20:44 < Laurenceb_> cool
2017-03-29T01:20:50 < Laurenceb_> bbl, food time
2017-03-29T01:22:42 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2zKARkpDW4 the video.. did I just talk about getting a man to edge of space with Laurenceb_ ?
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2017-03-29T01:25:35 < kakimir> there is a song for Laurenceb_ "Everything You Do is a Balloon"
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2017-03-29T01:26:36 < kakimir> edge of space is so cool
2017-03-29T01:28:29 < kakimir> with this soundtrack at least
2017-03-29T01:28:38 < ohsix> upgrdman: radar sensor only uses 3mA
2017-03-29T01:28:42 < ohsix> which is boss
2017-03-29T01:28:49 < ohsix> not super low but i can use it for a lot of junk
2017-03-29T01:28:50 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcCSY1LZg0 more level Laurenceb_ .. the melody is based on "99 luftballons"
2017-03-29T01:30:58 < kakimir> http://www.perlanproject.org/ is 90000ft edge of space yet?
2017-03-29T01:32:04 < ohsix> dongs: lul i might get paid to write the firmware for wilhelm
2017-03-29T01:32:19 < ohsix> people need a thing with a free fall irq that i can stick on something
2017-03-29T01:36:29 < Steffanx> like mr d will read this ohsix ;)
2017-03-29T01:38:33 < ohsix> ya that's not my problem heuhruhru
2017-03-29T01:38:44 < ohsix> i mean it's stuff he'd be interested in knowing, but not that important uno
2017-03-29T01:39:21 < Steffanx> Just try to save you from a disappointment
2017-03-29T01:41:42 < kakimir> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1mvec2fp0siv1m6/AAD3ODf7zlwyIDlRueOORWjHa/Perlan%20-5-16%20event?dl=0&preview=_DSC6958.jpg
2017-03-29T02:01:24 < englishman> Laurenceb_: got txing
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2017-03-29T02:13:04 < timemob> zip
2017-03-29T02:13:06 < timemob> zyp
2017-03-29T02:13:18 < timemob> BCAS me your ev shit bom
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2017-03-29T02:22:58 < Laurenceb_> englishman: nice
2017-03-29T02:23:23 < englishman> 15.7dBm close to advertised 16
2017-03-29T02:23:27 < Laurenceb_> englishman: I used an SDR to grab raw data to check the tx data before working on rx
2017-03-29T02:23:33 < Laurenceb_> you have a power meter?
2017-03-29T02:23:33 < englishman> yeah im doign that now
2017-03-29T02:23:36 < englishman> yea
2017-03-29T02:23:41 < englishman> and bunch of sdrs
2017-03-29T02:23:44 < Laurenceb_> nice, using murata inductors?
2017-03-29T02:23:49 < englishman> yes ofc
2017-03-29T02:23:51 < englishman> wirewoundz
2017-03-29T02:23:56 < Laurenceb_> yeah they are the best
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2017-03-29T02:24:25 < Laurenceb_> decoding 2FSK to raw bits is a couple of lines of matlab
2017-03-29T02:24:37 < kakimir> how is the innovation btw?
2017-03-29T02:25:02 < Laurenceb_> silabs has about 2 relevant packet error bits so its a massive pita if you just get an error
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2017-03-29T02:26:23 < englishman> actually im looking for it on the specan
2017-03-29T02:26:31 < englishman> not near what the carrier freq should be
2017-03-29T02:26:32 < englishman> uh oh lol
2017-03-29T02:26:54 < Laurenceb_> what sdr?
2017-03-29T02:26:58 < englishman> blackrf
2017-03-29T02:27:06 < Thorn> is there a 1-2+Mbps radio like nrf24l01+ that can give you access to raw data w/o framing and shit?
2017-03-29T02:27:08 < Laurenceb_> hmmm....
2017-03-29T02:27:15 < Laurenceb_> watch out for harmonics
2017-03-29T02:27:19 < englishman> it looks ok on the power meter tho
2017-03-29T02:27:32 < Laurenceb_> I'm not were confident of hackrf rf tbh
2017-03-29T02:27:32 < englishman> after i init *all* the pll registers, not just *most*
2017-03-29T02:27:34 < Laurenceb_> I used airspy
2017-03-29T02:28:14 < Laurenceb_> https://i1.wp.com/knuckledraggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/acidpicdump_1433_640_08.jpg
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2017-03-29T02:33:18 < englishman> aha got it
2017-03-29T02:34:16 < englishman> now txing at 16.15dBm too
2017-03-29T02:35:55 < Laurenceb_> not bad, just recommended matching network?
2017-03-29T02:36:02 < englishman> yep
2017-03-29T02:36:06 < englishman> simple and cheap, too
2017-03-29T02:36:36 < englishman> lets check harmonics
2017-03-29T02:36:57 < Laurenceb_> yeah, 7 component total?
2017-03-29T02:37:16 < englishman> fuck all on 1st harmonic
2017-03-29T02:37:25 < Laurenceb_> try 3rd
2017-03-29T02:37:36 < Laurenceb_> its class E so 3rd should be strong?
2017-03-29T02:37:41 < Laurenceb_> ie f_0*3
2017-03-29T02:37:54 < englishman> not a bump
2017-03-29T02:37:56 < Laurenceb_> f_carrier or whatever
2017-03-29T02:38:09 < Laurenceb_> wtf no way
2017-03-29T02:38:25 < englishman> went back to 433 to see if it was still on lol
2017-03-29T02:39:08 < englishman> thats good cuz silabs spews all over gps bands when using 433
2017-03-29T02:39:29 < englishman> 11 elements in recommended matching network
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2017-03-29T02:40:26 < stm32> give me a shot of espresso ya fucken dog
2017-03-29T02:40:50 < Laurenceb_> huh L1 is on 1.575Ghz
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2017-03-29T02:40:59 < Laurenceb_> thats not a harmonic of 434 band
2017-03-29T02:41:33 < englishman> no but its enough for front end interference
2017-03-29T02:41:45 < Laurenceb_> sucks
2017-03-29T02:41:52 < Laurenceb_> highaltitude guys havent had issues
2017-03-29T02:41:55 < englishman> meh, put a $3 minicircuits lowpass on
2017-03-29T02:42:11 < englishman> yeah but their dutycycle is what like every 10 mins
2017-03-29T02:42:49 < stm32> hi mate
2017-03-29T02:42:53 < englishman> n e way thats plenty of innovation for today
2017-03-29T02:43:01 < englishman> next step is demodulating
2017-03-29T02:43:10  * stm32 offers a cat
2017-03-29T02:43:37 < englishman> 116 registers to spin up
2017-03-29T02:43:53 < englishman> and then the annoying as fuck TX sequence
2017-03-29T02:44:13 < Laurenceb_> nah lots of people have used ~continuous tx
2017-03-29T02:44:16 < Laurenceb_> me included
2017-03-29T02:44:22 < ohsix> soy capitan
2017-03-29T02:44:50 < englishman> well lucky u :<
2017-03-29T02:45:17 < ohsix> i get a trade mag that is 100% minicircuits ads
2017-03-29T02:45:24 < stm32> :3
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2017-03-29T02:55:50 < stm32> my microcontroller ran out of coffee
2017-03-29T03:20:03 < aandrew> https://twitter.com/twisteddoodles/status/846626733390487552
2017-03-29T03:38:46 < Thorn> looks like Laurenceb_'s thesis project https://www.instagram.com/p/BQrTNCUAfE-/
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2017-03-29T03:52:25 < englishman> parcel arrived from a mysterious Steffan X.
2017-03-29T04:02:32 < stm32> :O
2017-03-29T04:02:54 < stm32> biscuits for lil-d
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2017-03-29T04:06:11 < stm32> i need a brewsken
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2017-03-29T04:29:11 < aandrew> what the fucking fuck
2017-03-29T04:29:38 < aandrew> I have a function that uses the HAL I2C routines (HAL_I2C_Mem_Read/Write)
2017-03-29T04:29:45 < aandrew> I have the i2c handle
2017-03-29T04:29:57 < aandrew> the debugger says the pointer is 0x20whatever, it's right
2017-03-29T04:30:10 < aandrew> I pass that to HAL_I2C_MEM_Write()
2017-03-29T04:30:18 < aandrew> that function says the pointer is now 0xffffffff
2017-03-29T04:30:35 < aandrew> it's literally look at it in the debugger, step into the Write() function, it's now ffffffff
2017-03-29T04:31:10 < englishman> post code?
2017-03-29T04:31:25 < englishman> also i didnt use those _mem_ functions for my shit, what are those for?
2017-03-29T04:31:42 < aandrew> for reading/writing to devices that have an address or register
2017-03-29T04:32:29 < englishman> aandrew: do you know if using a usb3 receptacle but only connecting usb2 traces violates some law of nature
2017-03-29T04:32:35 < aandrew> no
2017-03-29T04:32:39 < aandrew> it's fine
2017-03-29T04:32:44 < englishman> right
2017-03-29T04:32:45 < aandrew> the leapmotion does this
2017-03-29T04:32:57 < aandrew> it probably violates some usb3 spec but it will work just fine
2017-03-29T04:33:05 < englishman> i bet
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2017-03-29T04:36:30 < aandrew> englishman: https://pastebin.com/aGaQ2d0x
2017-03-29T04:36:36 < aandrew> _read_24aa works great
2017-03-29T04:37:00 < aandrew> _write_24aa sees the exact same fucking value for i2c (pointer to the I2C_HandleTypeDef)
2017-03-29T04:37:17 < aandrew> but step into the HAL_I2C_Mem_Write() and hi2c (what is in that function) is 0xffffffff
2017-03-29T04:37:21 < aandrew> instead of 0x20whatever
2017-03-29T04:39:53 < englishman> wat
2017-03-29T04:39:58 < aandrew> exactly
2017-03-29T04:40:10 < aandrew> now i2c is stored in R0
2017-03-29T04:40:15 < aandrew> but that shouldn't make any fucking difference
2017-03-29T04:40:44 < aandrew> I was even thinking maybe it's a stack thing, but they're at the same level
2017-03-29T04:40:48 < aandrew> so it shouldn't make any difference
2017-03-29T04:41:13 < aandrew> er no they're not
2017-03-29T04:41:17 < aandrew> it's one level deeper
2017-03-29T04:41:20 < aandrew> but I shouldn't be out of stack
2017-03-29T04:42:31 < aandrew> bah what's the stack pointer on ARM
2017-03-29T04:42:35 < aandrew> fuck this register renaming bullshit
2017-03-29T04:44:18 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/7i5w3k2zy8oy.jpg
2017-03-29T04:44:22 < aandrew> looks like R13
2017-03-29T04:44:33 < aandrew> it's at 0x2001ffc8, I've barely touched stack
2017-03-29T04:45:48 < aandrew> wtf
2017-03-29T04:45:51 < aandrew> it is fucked now
2017-03-29T04:49:13 < upgrdman> ohsix, heh, robot snek. looks like more effort than i would commit to   http://i.imgur.com/tf7iakm.gifv
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2017-03-29T04:50:20 < upgrdman> http://www.snakerobots.com/S7.html
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2017-03-29T04:52:47 < englishman> i'm going to guess the either the read one worked by coincidence, or hal is dicked
2017-03-29T04:53:58 < aandrew> no
2017-03-29T04:54:04 < aandrew> I'm single stepping the assembly
2017-03-29T04:54:08 < aandrew> BX LR should not affect R0
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2017-03-29T04:54:39 < aandrew> my i2c_get_handle is literally two instructions
2017-03-29T04:55:35 < aandrew> LDR R0, [0x0807a5f0] which holds 0x20011a3c which is the address of my static handle
2017-03-29T04:55:50 < aandrew> and BX LR which is just ARM's RET
2017-03-29T04:56:40 < aandrew> after the first instruction, R0 has 0x20011a3c as it should
2017-03-29T04:56:52 < aandrew> but then afte BX LR it's 0xffffffff which makes no sense
2017-03-29T04:58:07 < aandrew> I also just noticed this whole thing is in thumb mode, which is neither here nor there but surprised me
2017-03-29T04:59:03 < fenugrec> aandrew is your toolchain mixing nonthumb code on a thumb tgt ?
2017-03-29T04:59:03 < stm32> pro hour
2017-03-29T04:59:20 < aandrew> fenugrec: don't think so
2017-03-29T04:59:24 < fenugrec> or are you passing func ptrs with the last bit=0 , on a thumb-only tgt ?
2017-03-29T04:59:27 < aandrew> this is the latest 2017-1 gcc
2017-03-29T04:59:45 < aandrew> this is F207, not thumb only
2017-03-29T04:59:51 < fenugrec> okok
2017-03-29T05:01:00 < aandrew> at first I thought it was failing because I have the EEPROM write locked (WP=1) but it's not even getting that far
2017-03-29T05:01:26 < fenugrec> are you hardfaulting in there ?
2017-03-29T05:01:33 < aandrew> not at all
2017-03-29T05:03:48 < aandrew> before I stick my foot in my mouth, I set a breakpoint in my hardfault handler to make sure but I was pretty sure since that while (1)'s
2017-03-29T05:03:52 < aandrew> balls
2017-03-29T05:05:47 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/cydNjE7d
2017-03-29T05:05:57 < aandrew> that's how I'm calling those two functions ... looks pretty standard
2017-03-29T05:06:24 < aandrew> the _write is one stack depth deeper but this is so early in the program... no threads, just HAL_Init and clock init beforehand
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2017-03-29T05:17:56 < timemob> zyp, beep
2017-03-29T05:18:07 < timemob> your shit is done (wires)
2017-03-29T05:21:01 < stm32> https://youtu.be/dvOk7dxvOHQ?t=33s
2017-03-29T05:21:41 < timemob> https://imgur.com/a/Epw5G
2017-03-29T05:25:36 < aandrew> wtf
2017-03-29T05:25:36 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/W5moVBY
2017-03-29T05:25:45 < aandrew> literally a bug on the board
2017-03-29T05:26:40 < aandrew> wonder if he was the cause of this
2017-03-29T05:26:43 < aandrew> (he isn't)
2017-03-29T05:34:27 < englishman> the stroop is entering my mouth
2017-03-29T05:35:02 < englishman> Ingredients: Tarwebloem
2017-03-29T05:35:09 < englishman> tarwebloem tastes good
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2017-03-29T05:43:10 < englishman> ah fuck
2017-03-29T05:43:12 < englishman> too much stroop
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2017-03-29T06:02:38 < timemob> aandrew that's really great silk screen
2017-03-29T06:02:57 < timemob> I'm sure I commented that before
2017-03-29T06:03:12 < aandrew> I can't tell if you're serious or not
2017-03-29T06:03:32 < timemob> serious
2017-03-29T06:03:44 < aandrew> really? it's pretty standard silk to me
2017-03-29T06:04:34 < timemob> you haven't seen china silk
2017-03-29T06:04:57 < aandrew> oh I have, I don't generally buy boards from there though
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2017-03-29T06:09:50 < englishman> yeah check out that crappy china silk http://i.imgur.com/DKtg2Ep.jpg
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2017-03-29T07:13:52 < stm32> P-AM18201K1
2017-03-29T07:15:51 < stm32> senpai you there?
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2017-03-29T07:54:33 < jadew> what's the equivalent to the CTRL key on mac?
2017-03-29T07:54:36 < jadew> meta key?
2017-03-29T08:04:28 < upgrdman_> https://i.redd.it/1upwjxx9d7oy.jpg
2017-03-29T08:04:35 < upgrdman_> R2COM, ^
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2017-03-29T08:25:48 < stm32> R2BRO
2017-03-29T08:37:46 < englishman> 50 years ago man first walked on the moon
2017-03-29T08:37:59 < englishman> but today we have truly reached the pinnacle of human technology
2017-03-29T08:38:00 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/5P1RdI9.gifv
2017-03-29T08:38:18 < stm32> 3d print it
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2017-03-29T08:50:53 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-29T08:51:09 < upgrdman> less pixelated?
2017-03-29T09:03:02 < upgrdman> lol
2017-03-29T09:03:29 < upgrdman> link to photo
2017-03-29T09:03:59 < upgrdman> haha
2017-03-29T09:06:51 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/3GR79LW.jpg
2017-03-29T09:07:16 < englishman> cz75 shadow
2017-03-29T09:07:45 < englishman> nope plz link
2017-03-29T09:08:13 < upgrdman> tactical kitty
2017-03-29T09:09:03 < englishman> o yea
2017-03-29T09:09:16 < englishman> did see that but elsewhere
2017-03-29T09:09:29 < upgrdman> Three teens are dead after they reportedly broke into a home in Wagoner County Monday.
2017-03-29T09:09:29 < upgrdman> Officials say a homeowner's young adult son shot and killed the suspects with an AR-15.
2017-03-29T09:09:34 < upgrdman> fuck yes.
2017-03-29T09:09:43 < englishman> go usa
2017-03-29T09:09:47 < upgrdman> indeed
2017-03-29T09:11:09 < upgrdman> youve gone soft, r2com
2017-03-29T09:11:26 < upgrdman> mother russia would be ashamed of you
2017-03-29T09:13:03 < upgrdman> someone put that line, out of context, in the ##stm32 subject
2017-03-29T09:13:29 < upgrdman> :)
2017-03-29T09:13:42 < englishman> my stroop dont droop
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2017-03-29T09:25:45 < zyp> timemob_, ah, cool
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2017-03-29T09:26:19 < englishman> Tectu: sup stroopbro
2017-03-29T09:28:24 < Tectu> yo man o/
2017-03-29T09:28:28 < Tectu> how´s stuff?
2017-03-29T09:29:06 < englishman> fucking fantastic, since the stroop arrived today
2017-03-29T09:29:13 < Tectu> lel
2017-03-29T09:29:14 < Tectu> enjoy
2017-03-29T09:29:16 < englishman> how's things with you
2017-03-29T09:29:21 < Tectu> good, thanks
2017-03-29T09:29:23 < stm32>  xoxo tec2
2017-03-29T09:29:44 < englishman> looking to adapt this for cortex-m https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator
2017-03-29T09:30:57 < Tectu> lol
2017-03-29T09:31:59 < stm32> tec2 want some vegemite on a salada mate
2017-03-29T09:32:13 < Tectu> lolno
2017-03-29T09:32:15 < Tectu> never again
2017-03-29T09:32:24 < stm32> :
2017-03-29T09:32:26 < stm32> :P
2017-03-29T09:32:31 < stm32> howru sir
2017-03-29T09:38:31 < Tectu> fine fine, and how about you?
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2017-03-29T09:44:02 < stm32> excellent@
2017-03-29T09:44:04 < stm32> !
2017-03-29T09:44:08 < stm32> working 14 hour days
2017-03-29T09:44:45 < stm32> do u spin wax bro?
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2017-03-29T10:09:17 < Thorn> if mov is turing complete why are there no mov-only cpus
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2017-03-29T11:02:28 < Emil> Becausw it is inefficient as fuck
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2017-03-29T11:43:19 < Steffanx> Pics or it didnt happen englishman. Beaver post doesnt agree. Lild' included as proof ofcourse.
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2017-03-29T12:40:33 < stm32> bahahah
2017-03-29T12:42:23 < stm32> autistic as fuck
2017-03-29T12:43:00 < stm32> almost 11 hours into my shift, shall I brew another shot of espresso
2017-03-29T12:43:57 < Steffanx> Coke.
2017-03-29T12:47:01 < kakimir> are you laughing at me?
2017-03-29T12:47:14 < stm32> yeah cocaine
2017-03-29T12:47:33 < stm32> nah i'm not drinking alcohol or getting stoned this week
2017-03-29T12:47:38 < kakimir> its what you do in straya
2017-03-29T12:47:45 < stm32> yeah muscles
2017-03-29T12:48:01 < kakimir> are you mocking me?
2017-03-29T12:48:06 < stm32> yeah muscles
2017-03-29T12:48:36 < stm32> not much in the brains department but I bet you can lift a fridge with one arm
2017-03-29T12:48:58 < kakimir> I dont even know how to mock you back you are so random
2017-03-29T12:49:05 < stm32> show me your cock
2017-03-29T12:49:21 < kakimir> show me your pussy
2017-03-29T12:49:28 < stm32> i have
2017-03-29T12:49:31 < stm32> several times
2017-03-29T12:50:06 < kakimir> I dont have time for this>
2017-03-29T12:50:32 < stm32> time to show me your LED board?
2017-03-29T12:51:56 < stm32> here's a bit of australia for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SPjy5RlqFE
2017-03-29T12:52:36 < karlp> tectuuu restore http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/7505d64a54e0/e809b506df88.jpg plz
2017-03-29T12:53:24 < stm32> tectu 4 life
2017-03-29T12:54:22 < Steffanx> I still feel ashamed i wrote that soresbin. In php
2017-03-29T12:54:35 < stm32> lol
2017-03-29T12:54:39 < stm32> Steffanx: here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vWhf575Qr4
2017-03-29T12:54:41 < stm32> this is australia
2017-03-29T12:56:43 < Steffanx> http://paste.ugfx.io/bla cant even remember i added that error page
2017-03-29T12:58:08 < zyp> hardcore webdev
2017-03-29T12:59:01 < Steffanx> Yeah, it even includes a hidden drag and drop image upload.
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2017-03-29T12:59:08 < karlp> learnt my lesson now. keeping more links locally too for zypsnips
2017-03-29T12:59:16 < karlp> relying on third party imgurs andpastebins...
2017-03-29T12:59:17 < karlp> hah
2017-03-29T12:59:24 < karlp> no more of that amateur tomfoolery
2017-03-29T12:59:49 < Steffanx> Wut? It's f-ing pro. It even does albums + overview.
2017-03-29T13:00:03 < karlp> right up until someone deletes things
2017-03-29T13:00:24 < karlp> like first link here is busted now https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/food-of-champions.md
2017-03-29T13:00:27 < stm32> just use dongsbin
2017-03-29T13:00:34 < Steffanx> true, that's because Mr Teco T. Underdalh likes to move around his website all the time.
2017-03-29T13:00:36 < stm32> $50 a month tho
2017-03-29T13:01:06 < Steffanx> oh, you did post a photo englishman. I read gun so i didnt click.
2017-03-29T13:01:35 < Steffanx> It's stroopwafels without the extra f karlp, or stroopwaffles to englishify it a bit.
2017-03-29T13:01:42 < sibiria> hello. is the STM32 a function USB device on its own, ie. will it show up on the USB bus without anything flashed to it?
2017-03-29T13:01:46 < sibiria> funcational*
2017-03-29T13:02:23 < Steffanx> Some have a dfu bootloader flashed, otherwise .. no.
2017-03-29T13:02:33 < Emil> sibiria: what board
2017-03-29T13:02:52 < Emil> bluepill from china? The usb doesbt work on them by default
2017-03-29T13:03:24 < sibiria> Emil: yeah it's a bluepill clone
2017-03-29T13:03:46 < sibiria> and it doesn't have any default "blinking LED" flashed to it, so i have no idea if dud or not
2017-03-29T13:03:58 < Emil> you need a stlinkv2
2017-03-29T13:05:17 < Steffanx> (or anything else openocd or keil can work with)
2017-03-29T13:09:03 < stm32> keil
2017-03-29T13:09:09 < stm32> good reliable keil
2017-03-29T13:22:40 < Steffanx> Time to call it a day stm32
2017-03-29T13:23:12 < stm32> as in you?
2017-03-29T13:23:22 < Steffanx> as in you.
2017-03-29T13:23:44  * stm32 looks over the shelf at 8 pieces of equipment which arrived 3 hours ago....
2017-03-29T13:23:48 < stm32> wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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2017-03-29T13:37:06 < dongs> lol @ movfuscator
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2017-03-29T14:54:48 < dongs> apparently taiwan office of Lite-On in taipei is on fire
2017-03-29T14:54:59 < dongs> (BREAKING)
2017-03-29T14:55:53 < Steffanx> shit happens.
2017-03-29T14:56:16 < dongs> this is so breaking its not even on twatter yet
2017-03-29T14:56:21 < dongs> my pal's office is next building
2017-03-29T14:56:31 < dongs> and he tweeted me a video of like a huge line of fire trucks
2017-03-29T14:56:58 < Steffanx> Time for a light-on joke?
2017-03-29T14:57:05 < dongs> something like that
2017-03-29T14:58:08 < dongs> http://m.ltn.com.tw/news/society/breakingnews/2020531
2017-03-29T14:58:15 < dongs> haha, apparently some car in basement caught on fire
2017-03-29T14:58:19 < dongs> oh well, not so big deal then
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2017-03-29T15:33:53 < Ghostbird> Hi guys. I'm trying to get an STM32L082 running. For now I wrote a simple blink program that only calls  HAL_GPIO_TogglePin (GPIOA, GPIO_PIN_0) in a loop. I started at the minimum frequency (128 Hz) and started increasing the MSI RC value and decreasing the AHB PrescalerHCLK. However, whenever I try to run the chip above 1024Hz, the LED I'm using stays off, as if the GPIO port is not working.
2017-03-29T15:33:53 < Ghostbird> I also tried this with additional busy-waiting to ensure it's not an electrical property of the LED.
2017-03-29T15:34:13 < dongs> ..
2017-03-29T15:34:18 < dongs> i donno man
2017-03-29T15:34:29 < Ghostbird> This:
2017-03-29T15:34:29 < Ghostbird> HAL_GPIO_TogglePin (GPIOA, GPIO_PIN_0); for (uint16_t i = 0; i < UINT8_MAX << 1; i++){asm("");}
2017-03-29T15:34:29 < Ghostbird> Running at 512Hz blinks slowly, but at 1024Hz, it doesn't seem to do anything.
2017-03-29T15:34:29 < dongs> why do you want to run your shit at 128hz
2017-03-29T15:34:44 < dongs> what the hell asm("")
2017-03-29T15:34:59 < Ghostbird> Prevents compiler optimisation (otherwise the loop disappears)
2017-03-29T15:35:41 < Ghostbird> And I don't want to run at 128 Hz. I just started at the lowest frequency and worked my way up from there, but 512Hz is the highest frequency that seems to work. Above that, nothing happens.
2017-03-29T15:36:04 < karlp> uint8_max << 1?
2017-03-29T15:36:11 < karlp> what was wrong with uint16_max?
2017-03-29T15:36:24 < dongs> the fact that it would be shifted elft
2017-03-29T15:36:29 < dongs> and thus be > uint16_t storage size
2017-03-29T15:36:39 < Ghostbird> Oh, sorry. That's an error, I was messing around with it.
2017-03-29T15:36:57 < Steffann> Did you take a look at the assembly or maybe stepped through it?
2017-03-29T15:37:42 < dongs> After many stages of analyzing the mechanical design and making prototypes, we’ve developed the Snapmaker 3D Printer to provide an enjoyable user experience. Moreover, It's also a desktop makerspace, a combination of 3D printer, laser engraver, and CNC machine with interchangeable heads. We can't wait to share it with the Kickstarter community and have you help nurture this unique machine with us.
2017-03-29T15:37:48 < dongs> desktop makerspace, fucking lol
2017-03-29T15:37:54 < dongs> i want to stab these hipster faggots over the internet
2017-03-29T15:38:58 < Ghostbird> karlp: Actually, now that I think about it. That was an increased busy wait timeout. UINT16_MAX would make the LED blink too slowly. Let me try it again.
2017-03-29T15:39:34 < dongs> Ghostbird: why not wait on a fucking cycle counter or something , you know, reliable, instead of inserting bullshit ASM thats only compileable by gcc
2017-03-29T15:39:36 < fenugrec> interesting way to make a busy wait...
2017-03-29T15:39:57 < dongs> by intersting you mean fucking retarded, then yes
2017-03-29T15:39:59 < fenugrec> a "nop" intrinsic would be less baroque than asm("")
2017-03-29T15:40:30 < fenugrec> also I imagine HAL / whatnot have macros for busy waits, but I don't know for sure
2017-03-29T15:42:50 < Ghostbird> Well, I pulled this together quickly when I realised that my busy-wait loop was being optimised away.
2017-03-29T15:43:20 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/691/630/55ee8707d9be4036e8791ce789c77069_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1488334384&auto=format&lossless=true&s=8d8d07b540d9930381e3dfc52f750d0f
2017-03-29T15:43:24 < dongs> shit
2017-03-29T15:43:26 < dongs> found jadew kickstarter
2017-03-29T15:43:42 < Ghostbird> Also the GCC equivalent to a nop intrinsic is: asm("nop") AFAIK, which does the same as asm("") IIRC.
2017-03-29T15:44:11 < Steffann> You must be Otoko W. As you posted the image and it says: me
2017-03-29T15:44:21 < fenugrec> not at all. There is actually a nop opcode, which is 10000% not the same thing as inserting asm("")
2017-03-29T15:44:55 < Ghostbird> 10000% seems a bit exaggerated, but what's the difference?
2017-03-29T15:45:07 < dongs> Steffann: lol'd
2017-03-29T15:45:46 < fenugrec> Ghostbird IIRC there are some stackoverflow questions on this. https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Extended-Asm.html might mention it too
2017-03-29T15:46:56 < stm32> 666
2017-03-29T15:49:36 < dongs> protip: do not use ASM in your code
2017-03-29T15:49:37 < dongs> period.
2017-03-29T15:49:58 < dongs> also, cmsis has __NOP();
2017-03-29T15:50:15 < dongs> which is implemented in compiler-independent way in case your shitty code ver makes it into a commercial product
2017-03-29T15:50:20 < fenugrec> unless you have very good reason to do so, but at that point you usually know what you're doing.
2017-03-29T15:50:21 < dongs> and some decides to compile it with a real compiler
2017-03-29T15:50:22 < Ghostbird> Hmmm... The Extended-Asm page doesn't seem to mention "nop" nor "" assembly. Anyway, the loop I posted works at 512Hz, but stops working above that. I'm still not sure why. Also I'm pretty sure that the ASM is not the source of the error.
2017-03-29T15:50:22 < Ghostbird> Thanks for the __NOP()
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2017-03-29T15:50:37 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.dui0497a/CIHCAEJD.html there are more
2017-03-29T15:50:48 < fenugrec> that's what I meant by "nop intrinsic"; cmsis already hides a bit of the ugliness
2017-03-29T15:50:58 < dongs> generally the intrinsics cover ALL teh asm you could possibly ever need that you'd be hand-writing
2017-03-29T15:51:02 < dongs> beyond that, just stick to C
2017-03-29T15:51:18 < stm32> all work and no play makes crt a dull pumper
2017-03-29T15:52:04 < dongs> REV* stuff was surely added because gcc couldnt properly emit it
2017-03-29T15:52:07 < dongs> (maybe still doesnt)
2017-03-29T15:52:51 < dongs> obvuils shit like uint16_t cocks = uint8 << 8 | uint8 would emit dumb shit on gcc
2017-03-29T15:52:55 < dongs> bbl;
2017-03-29T15:53:55 < Ghostbird> It didn't handle implicit integer promotion properly?
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2017-03-29T16:05:36 < zyp> 14:44:55 < Ghostbird> 10000% seems a bit exaggerated, but what's the difference?
2017-03-29T16:06:12 < zyp> nop is an instruction that doesn't do anything, which is different from no instruction in that it actually consumes cpu time
2017-03-29T16:06:44 < Ghostbird> Ah, of course. So I don't actually want to use __NOP()
2017-03-29T16:07:07 < Ghostbird> I just need an instruction to the compiler to not optimise the loop.
2017-03-29T16:07:12 < zyp> given that any number of cycles are infinitely more than 0 cycles, 10000% isn't really an exaggregation
2017-03-29T16:07:24 < Ghostbird> Haha! Indeed.
2017-03-29T16:07:45 < Ghostbird> It's quite an understatement.
2017-03-29T16:08:19 < zyp> so anyway, you're trying to make a wait loop?
2017-03-29T16:08:22 < Ghostbird> No
2017-03-29T16:08:35 < zyp> okay, then what are you trying to do?
2017-03-29T16:08:42 < zyp> I'm sorry, I haven't been following
2017-03-29T16:08:51 < Ghostbird> I'm wondering why my GPIO stops working when I clock the chip above 512Hz
2017-03-29T16:09:05 < zyp> clock the chip?
2017-03-29T16:09:50 < zyp> oh, MSI on L0
2017-03-29T16:11:25 < Ghostbird> I'm trying different combinations of MSIClockRange and AHBCLKDivider, but anything that comes to 1024Hz or higher, and my GPIO stops working.
2017-03-29T16:11:33 < zyp> how are you generating the clock?
2017-03-29T16:15:51 < Ghostbird> Currently I'm running MSI RC at 262.144 KHz with AHB PrescalerHCLK at /512 and HAL_SYSTICK_CLKSourceConfig undivided.
2017-03-29T16:16:10 < Ghostbird> I'm not at all sure what all the different clock frequencies mean though.
2017-03-29T16:16:22 < karlp> sounds like you should stop trying then :)
2017-03-29T16:16:33 < karlp> do "normal" things and get some famliiarity with how basic things work
2017-03-29T16:16:53 < Ghostbird> karlp: Anything more "normal" than a simple "Blink" example?
2017-03-29T16:17:50 < zyp> why do you want to clock the chip that slow anyway?
2017-03-29T16:18:44 < Ghostbird> I don't!
2017-03-29T16:18:44 < Ghostbird> However, I just started at the lowest, and started working my way up. I can only get it to work at 512Hz and lower, which makes no sense. Hence I was looking for a possible solution here.
2017-03-29T16:19:35 < zyp> power consumption has a fairly proportional relationship to cycles executed, so the normal solution to power saving is running at full speed when doing whatever you need to, then going to sleep and stopping completely
2017-03-29T16:20:00 < zyp> the peak consumption will be higher, but average won't
2017-03-29T16:20:22 < Ghostbird> Yeah, once I've got this whole thing working, I'm going to fine tune the clock as a final step.
2017-03-29T16:20:29 < zyp> so I don't get why you don't just set it up for full speed
2017-03-29T16:20:42 < Ghostbird> Because it doesn't work above 512Hz!
2017-03-29T16:21:08 < Ghostbird> That's the entire thing that I'm trying to find an answer to.
2017-03-29T16:21:21 < zyp> L0? works fine for me at 24MHz or whatever full speed was
2017-03-29T16:21:27 < Ghostbird> 32MHz
2017-03-29T16:22:30 < zyp> ah, yeah
2017-03-29T16:22:58 < zyp> I run it from HSI16->PLL
2017-03-29T16:23:15 < zyp> PLL is configured to HSI16/2*4, so that's 32MHz
2017-03-29T16:24:10 < zyp> IIRC that's the normal "full speed" configuration, and unless you have special requirements I don't see why you would use anything else
2017-03-29T16:24:20 < zyp> so maybe you should consider getting that to work first
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2017-03-29T16:25:05 < Ghostbird> I guess I'll try that then. That was my first idea too. However, it will revert to MSI RC automatically upon wake-from-sleep according to the documentation, and MSI RC can go up to 4MHz which is enough for my purposes (I'll have to make this thing work together with a slower chip anyway) So I thought, why not run if off MSI RC all the time.
2017-03-29T16:26:34 < zyp> what has a slower chip to do with anything?
2017-03-29T16:34:10 < Ghostbird> Well, if I want to optimise power consumption, and it has to work together with a slower chip, there's no point in running at max speed and power, if the other chip can't keep up. I'm just waiting and wasting power, Or I'll have to do some really quick sleep/wake-up cycles.
2017-03-29T16:34:38 < Ghostbird> But that's something I was planning to tune once I've got everything working.
2017-03-29T16:38:08 < Ghostbird> Thanks man! The problem seems to have been with MSI RC.
2017-03-29T16:38:09 < Ghostbird> Running from HSI RC I have no issues at all. Now I'll just have to find out how to switch to that on wake-up
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2017-03-29T16:38:50 < zyp> remember that there's multiple sleep modes as well
2017-03-29T16:39:05 < zyp> stopping HSI and switching to MSI is probably only in the deepest ones
2017-03-29T16:39:23 < zyp> the simplest sleep mode only pauses the cpu, rest of system is unaffected
2017-03-29T16:39:52 < Ghostbird> Well, I think I'm going to need the deepest sleep I can get. But I'll tackle that when I come to that point.
2017-03-29T16:39:56 < Ghostbird> Thanks a bunch!
2017-03-29T16:40:08 < zyp> you're not restricted to one mode, of course
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2017-03-29T16:40:20 < zyp> you pick which depending on how long you're planning to sleep
2017-03-29T16:40:41 < Ghostbird> Although, the simple sleep mode may be very useful when I know that I'm going to be waiting on the other chip for a jiffy.
2017-03-29T16:40:48 < zyp> exactly
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2017-03-29T17:00:31 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/bP157WW.jpg
2017-03-29T17:00:50 < Steffanx> Aaah.
2017-03-29T17:01:20 < Steffanx> It seems they had to endure some rough handling.. they are no longer perfectly round.
2017-03-29T17:02:04 < Steffanx> Enjoy 15gram of sugar
2017-03-29T17:02:22 < englishman> yeah i didnt expect them to be so powerful
2017-03-29T17:02:33 < englishman> really need to pace the wafel
2017-03-29T17:03:28 < Steffanx> Dont sue me when you die from diabetes.
2017-03-29T17:03:44 < englishman> they were well packaged, but they were handled by germans
2017-03-29T17:04:59 < englishman> you cant repair stuff so fast crt
2017-03-29T17:05:05 < englishman> soon there will be nothing left to repair
2017-03-29T17:05:14 < englishman> you gotta leave it on the shelf a couple months
2017-03-29T17:08:37 < englishman> that L0 clock problem sounds strange
2017-03-29T17:10:02 < englishman> timecube doesnt seem to complain about using MSI at all
2017-03-29T17:13:01 < englishman> have you started vblogging repairs yet
2017-03-29T17:13:07 < englishman> so you can make money while you're at work
2017-03-29T17:15:04 < Steffanx> I also told crt that, but he didnt want to.
2017-03-29T17:16:19 < Steffanx> he doesnt want us to see him wear gloves like https://youtu.be/mCcPA4HuRig?t=25s
2017-03-29T17:17:01 < Steffanx> and is still cant get used to 60fps
2017-03-29T17:17:27 < englishman> maybe he has an eevblag voice
2017-03-29T17:17:36 < Steffanx> He has.
2017-03-29T17:18:06 < englishman> haha
2017-03-29T17:18:11 < Steffanx> Mr garry owner does.
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2017-03-29T17:20:41 < englishman> wifeishman is dipping into the wafel
2017-03-29T17:20:58 < Steffanx> you can also microwave them for like 10 seconds.
2017-03-29T17:21:15 < englishman> i dunked one in coffee
2017-03-29T17:21:16 < englishman> it was good
2017-03-29T17:22:31 < Laurenceb> sup trolls
2017-03-29T17:22:36 < Laurenceb> someone pinging me?
2017-03-29T17:22:43 < Laurenceb> prob ages ago, no scrollback
2017-03-29T17:22:57 < Steffanx> hi Laurenceb.
2017-03-29T17:22:59 < englishman> i booped this acct yesterday about axsem yea
2017-03-29T17:23:07 < Laurenceb> heh prob that
2017-03-29T17:23:18 < Laurenceb> Anyways I found Iranian labview guy on backpage
2017-03-29T17:23:24 < Laurenceb> prob shouldnt link here lol
2017-03-29T17:23:42 < Laurenceb> he specialises in the over 60s
2017-03-29T17:23:53 < Laurenceb> and straight only
2017-03-29T17:24:04 < Laurenceb> so that makes it non weird
2017-03-29T17:24:05 < Laurenceb>  /s
2017-03-29T17:24:39 < Laurenceb> gunna have to put an ebola/aids barrier around his desk
2017-03-29T17:25:16 < Laurenceb>  O_o saywut
2017-03-29T17:25:45 < Laurenceb> attn kakimir:  http://arsguide.kiasma.fi/en/artwork/alonetogether/
2017-03-29T17:26:07 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-29T17:27:05 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3d9446802a/9267.PNG
2017-03-29T17:32:30 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ1eZqenaDw&feature=youtu.be
2017-03-29T17:32:41 < Laurenceb> dat cleavage
2017-03-29T17:34:24 < Laurenceb>  2:10 my sides
2017-03-29T17:35:15 < Steffanx> ?t=130
2017-03-29T17:35:43 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-03-29T17:35:46 < Steffanx> *?t=2m10s
2017-03-29T17:35:52 < Luggi09> can't tell if srs or trolling
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2017-03-29T17:36:10 < Laurenceb> I looks 100% troll but then the channel seems real
2017-03-29T17:36:15 < Laurenceb> very Poe
2017-03-29T17:36:17 < Steffanx> Lux does it matter.https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/Laurenceb.txt applies no matter what.
2017-03-29T17:36:33 < Lux> being in america it can be serious
2017-03-29T17:36:54 < Lux> Steffanx: i know :)
2017-03-29T17:37:00 < Lux> Laurenceb the master shitposter
2017-03-29T17:38:34 < Lux> but ya, pretty sure those people are serious
2017-03-29T17:38:51 < Lux> judging by the comments
2017-03-29T17:39:51 < englishman> is this occupy wall street, but on youtube
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2017-03-29T19:07:14 < englishman> anyone know why SPI hangs when i'm debugging
2017-03-29T19:07:19 < englishman> after a few seconds
2017-03-29T19:07:25 < englishman> but not when the chip is running without debugger
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2017-03-29T19:21:06 < Steffanx> Where does it hang mr englishman?
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2017-03-29T19:21:24 < englishman> while (!(SPI1->SR & SPI_SR_RXNE)){};
2017-03-29T19:21:25 < englishman> every time
2017-03-29T19:21:51 < englishman> and always the same amount of time after start of execution, a few seconds
2017-03-29T19:23:15 < Emil> englishman: you don't need the {}
2017-03-29T19:23:31 < englishman> yeah but i like it
2017-03-29T19:23:32 < Emil> while(!(SPI1-SR&SPI_SR_RXNE)); is fine
2017-03-29T19:24:08 < Emil> imho latter looks better (obviously you can do whatever you want with whitepsace), having empty {} is imho not stylish ;)
2017-03-29T19:24:56 < englishman> wait til you see my 2-space indents
2017-03-29T19:25:03 < Emil> just go with 5
2017-03-29T19:25:14 < englishman> now you're just talking nonsense
2017-03-29T19:25:21 < Emil> pfft
2017-03-29T19:25:46 < Emil> I indent with the shitmoticon
2017-03-29T19:26:32 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8E1yOrWsAASLJf.jpg
2017-03-29T19:28:06 < Emil> >We send the EU X million a week
2017-03-29T19:28:24 < Laurenceb> well it's true
2017-03-29T19:28:50 < Laurenceb> but cuckswell is still an asshole
2017-03-29T19:29:08 < Emil> >Conviniently not saying the EU sends you moar money
2017-03-29T19:29:16 < Laurenceb> erm no
2017-03-29T19:29:25 < Laurenceb> thats the cash flow balance
2017-03-29T19:30:15 < PaulFertser> englishman: for me spi debugging worked without issues, probably you hit some race condition due to changing timing.
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2017-03-29T19:31:29 < Steffanx> but no, no clue why a debugger would break it. englishman
2017-03-29T19:32:04 < Steffanx> Not looking at the spi peripheral with some window that break s tuff?
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2017-03-29T19:36:22 < aandrew> hmm, stm32 crc unit operates on dwords only
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2017-03-29T19:41:28 < englishman> yeah but you can feed it bytes
2017-03-29T19:41:52 < englishman> it takes 1 cycle per byte regardless of the length you're feeding it
2017-03-29T19:42:04 < aandrew> right
2017-03-29T19:42:17 < aandrew> what should the padding bytes be, 0 or 0xff?
2017-03-29T19:42:22 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/mOD2YCa
2017-03-29T19:42:32 < Laurenceb> we have the best twitter trolls
2017-03-29T19:44:00 < englishman> i think i just padded to 32-bit alignment by making the version value longer
2017-03-29T19:44:01 < englishman> he
2017-03-29T19:44:02 < englishman> h
2017-03-29T19:44:10 < englishman>  uint16_t eeprom_version;
2017-03-29T19:44:11 < englishman> etc.
2017-03-29T19:44:33 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/YhkQo35
2017-03-29T19:44:43 < Emil> Laurenceb: why do those people look absolutely retarded?
2017-03-29T19:44:55 < Laurenceb> because they are politicians
2017-03-29T19:45:00 < englishman> Steffanx: i think il just be less lazy and handle timeouts/erroring
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2017-03-29T19:45:30 < englishman> though it would be nice to know what's going on
2017-03-29T19:45:47 < englishman> maybe will connect logic analuzer to see where it's stopping exactly
2017-03-29T19:46:10 < Laurenceb> Emil: check out LouiseMensch twitter, not sure if troll or insane
2017-03-29T19:46:53 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/hqwWcV7y
2017-03-29T19:46:56 < aandrew> look ok?
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2017-03-29T19:47:30 < Laurenceb> holy shit she shitposts about every 2 minutes
2017-03-29T19:47:37 < Laurenceb> even my shitposting isnt that bad
2017-03-29T19:48:19 < Emil> Laurenceb: why did I even do that
2017-03-29T19:48:20 < Laurenceb> ma waifu http://combiboilersleeds.com/images/louise-mensch/louise-mensch-0.jpg
2017-03-29T19:48:28 < Emil> Laurenceb: I'll bill you for this loss of braincells
2017-03-29T19:48:53 < Laurenceb> top kek
2017-03-29T19:49:20 < englishman> are you looking to spit out a crc32?
2017-03-29T19:49:27 < aandrew> englishman: yeah
2017-03-29T19:49:37 < englishman> ah well then yeah you'll have to pad
2017-03-29T19:49:39 < englishman> should work
2017-03-29T19:49:52 < aandrew> just not sure what to pad with :-)
2017-03-29T19:50:37 < Emil> aandrew: null bytes
2017-03-29T19:50:47 < aandrew> null, so zeroes then not 0xffs
2017-03-29T19:50:48 < aandrew> ok
2017-03-29T19:51:15 < Emil> You can pad with whatever you want, just so long as it is understandable
2017-03-29T19:51:28 < Emil> 0 is one of the most commonly used
2017-03-29T19:51:29 < aandrew> sure, just trying to follow some standard if such a thing exists
2017-03-29T19:52:52 < englishman> you can pad with a crc8 of the non padded bytes
2017-03-29T19:53:19 < Emil> now that's something different :D
2017-03-29T19:54:09 < Emil> But it is actually quite a nice solution
2017-03-29T19:54:41 < aandrew> interesting, what would be the advantage oft hat?
2017-03-29T19:55:03 < Emil> increased redundancy
2017-03-29T19:55:16 < aandrew> only for up to three bytes
2017-03-29T19:55:28 < Emil> yes
2017-03-29T19:58:15 < PaulFertser> englishman: https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/blob/master/src/crc32.c gdb-compatible way to compute crc32 using f4 hw engine.
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2017-03-29T19:59:18 < englishman> PaulFertser: you left out F0 ;'(
2017-03-29T19:59:26 < englishman> it has crc too
2017-03-29T19:59:37 < PaulFertser> BMP doesn't run on it
2017-03-29T20:00:15 < englishman> you mean as a GDB server interface thing?
2017-03-29T20:00:16 < englishman> why not?
2017-03-29T20:02:06 < aandrew> ah ok they put the byte in the high byte
2017-03-29T20:03:23 < englishman> it does the last cycle "manually" if less than dword?
2017-03-29T20:04:42 < PaulFertser> Just wasn't ported I guess
2017-03-29T20:04:57 < PaulFertser> englishman: yes, I couldn't find a better solution.
2017-03-29T20:05:03 < englishman> ah that's your code
2017-03-29T20:05:17 < englishman> didn't know you worked on BMP as well
2017-03-29T20:06:24 < PaulFertser> I didn't contribute much. That CRC thing was thanks to my curiousity about using the CRC unit.
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2017-03-29T20:28:50 < aandrew> PaulFertser: thanks for that link
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2017-03-29T21:20:08 < englishman> https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/03/rcmp-report-dickheaded-canadian-geese-greatest-threat-national-security/
2017-03-29T21:21:20 < Steffanx> beaverton.. sounds like a not very serious website
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2017-03-29T21:32:57 < gxti> it's true though.
2017-03-29T21:33:09 < gxti> every time i see a canada goose i'm like, fuck you goose
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2017-03-29T21:39:41 < Steffanx> That implies one has to go outside.
2017-03-29T21:39:49 < Steffanx> *goes
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2017-03-29T21:45:07 < aandrew> canada geese are assholes
2017-03-29T21:45:09 < aandrew> every one of them
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2017-03-29T21:55:26 < englishman> beaverton might be the most srs news source
2017-03-29T21:56:00 < englishman> they have never released a fake news
2017-03-29T21:58:22 < Steffanx> i dont trust beavers.. ever
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2017-03-29T22:59:50 < Rob235> yo
2017-03-29T22:59:58 < Rob235> how do you mount a tv on the wall? :P
2017-03-29T23:00:25 < Rob235> it says you only need one stud but how far off center can that be and how do the other 2 screws go into the drywall?
2017-03-29T23:02:29 < Rob235> I can use the extender for larger tvs to get it to reach two studs but if I want the tv centered where I want it then part of the mount will probably be showing
2017-03-29T23:03:13 < Rob235> I guess I just really need to know how the non stud screws go into the drywall, it comes with concrete anchors, do you use those? or what the fuck
2017-03-29T23:05:04 < sync_> > drywall
2017-03-29T23:05:14 < Rob235> ?
2017-03-29T23:05:25 < sync_> my walls are brick
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2017-03-29T23:11:15 < Steffanx> There you have the sinner.
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2017-03-29T23:35:04 < Ecco> hey :)
2017-03-29T23:35:22 < Ecco> Is it possible to modulate the output of a timer with another timer ?
2017-03-29T23:35:41 < Ecco> I'd like to oscillate a low-frequency a pin (i.e. once per second)
2017-03-29T23:35:46 < Ecco> said pin is driving an LED
2017-03-29T23:35:59 < Ecco> and I'd like to high-frequency PWM the led to control its brightness
2017-03-29T23:36:27 < Ecco> so I'd like somehting like GPIO = HiFreqPWM * LowFreqPWM
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2017-03-29T23:42:32 < englishman> sure
2017-03-29T23:42:43 < englishman> one timer can trigger another
2017-03-29T23:43:03 < englishman> but which one can trigger which is pretty limited, you gotta read the refman
2017-03-29T23:43:36 < englishman> here's a stm8 doing just that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViMucUtLJo
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2017-03-30T00:02:44 < zyp> also look at IRTIM for the parts that has that
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2017-03-30T00:52:06 < Rob235> https://www.lowes.com/pd/TOGGLER-10-Pack-0-25-in-x-2-5-in-Yellow-Zinc-Toggle-Bolts/3183831
2017-03-30T00:52:09 < Rob235> i think i decided on those
2017-03-30T00:52:43 < Rob235> for tv mount, two screws in stud, two in drywall with those, and then a few of those in drywall to support two shelves
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2017-03-30T01:02:50 < Steffanx> Reported a bug in firefox 12 years ago.. still get main there is activity on the bug ( or on a duplicate of it). YAY.
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2017-03-30T01:12:31 < englishman> worth it
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2017-03-30T01:12:55 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2017-03-30T01:13:07 < Laurenceb_> someone managed to post shit that displayed properly
2017-03-30T01:13:52 < Steffanx> on a scale between Laurenceb_ and funny this is kinda Laurenceb_.
2017-03-30T01:14:33 < englishman> routing this awful 6L with crap strewn everywhere and huge keepout areas i can't use
2017-03-30T01:14:44 < englishman> multiple usb2 passing thru inner layers and wrapping around
2017-03-30T01:16:46 < ds2> how big is the board?
2017-03-30T01:17:14 < englishman> 111x40mm
2017-03-30T01:17:46 < englishman> qfp100 stm32, edison, couple other qfn64 ics, power and bunch of ios
2017-03-30T01:17:50  * ds2 whips out the /25.4
2017-03-30T01:18:06 < ds2> not too small
2017-03-30T01:18:25 < ds2> 4.x X 1.75
2017-03-30T01:18:44 < englishman> not too big either
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2017-03-30T01:20:02 < ds2> that's almost half of eagle's allowed area ;)
2017-03-30T01:21:43 < Steffanx> 11x4cm, 6 layers and then still complaining? :D
2017-03-30T01:21:56 < englishman> yeah with all these parts on it
2017-03-30T01:22:10 < englishman> 3 5v rails and four 3v3 rails
2017-03-30T01:22:18 < ds2> no BGAs
2017-03-30T01:22:21 < englishman> no BGAs
2017-03-30T01:23:15 < Laurenceb_> edison
2017-03-30T01:23:16 < Laurenceb_> whyyyy
2017-03-30T01:23:22 < englishman> yea man
2017-03-30T01:23:37 < Steffanx> Going to run Windows 10 IoT obviously..
2017-03-30T01:24:12 < Steffanx> or whatever that versoin is called.
2017-03-30T01:24:51 < Steffanx> Whats the alternative Laurenceb_?
2017-03-30T01:25:34 < Laurenceb_> chibios
2017-03-30T01:25:37 < Steffanx> Pi module module maybe.
2017-03-30T01:25:52 < Laurenceb_> stm32h7 with chibios
2017-03-30T01:26:21 < Steffanx> Alternative.
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2017-03-30T01:27:03 < englishman> pretty sure computemodule is yuge tho
2017-03-30T01:27:09 < englishman> however has onboard microsd
2017-03-30T01:27:10 < englishman> dono
2017-03-30T01:27:22 < englishman> edison has two (!) uarts
2017-03-30T01:28:00 < englishman> but dont forget it fucking *dies* at 40C
2017-03-30T01:28:09 < Laurenceb_> can I ask what this is actually supposed to do?
2017-03-30T01:28:18 < Steffanx> What dies at 40C? The edison?!
2017-03-30T01:28:21 < englishman> yes
2017-03-30T01:28:27 < englishman> check the datasheet (if you can find it)
2017-03-30T01:28:36 < Steffanx> wut?
2017-03-30T01:29:26 < englishman> that's what i said
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2017-03-30T01:31:10 < karlp> aandrew: here's all I needed to use the crc on l1 to make compatible with zlib python's binasccii.crc32, and and so on: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/9JNT58FZ-GiGi9DrNu4cwl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
2017-03-30T01:32:20 < Steffanx> but a cpu like that should get to 40C easily mr englishman :S
2017-03-30T01:32:27 < englishman> mmhmm
2017-03-30T01:32:30 < englishman> you see the issie
2017-03-30T01:32:34 < englishman> issue
2017-03-30T01:34:55 < Laurenceb_> I'm reminded of a friend of mine
2017-03-30T01:35:11 < Laurenceb_> who worked on a contract to build a passivly cooled LED lighting system for greenhouses
2017-03-30T01:35:21 < Laurenceb_> the LED temperature could not rise about 60C
2017-03-30T01:35:25 < Steffanx> Range seems to be 0-40C, so sure you want to use it in .ca?
2017-03-30T01:35:25 < Laurenceb_> *above
2017-03-30T01:36:24 < Steffanx> End of story?
2017-03-30T01:36:31 < karlp> PaulFertser: didn't know gdb had any crc32 too? in gdb I just use "verify" and it compares memory for me, what does crc in gdb do?
2017-03-30T01:46:46 < englishman> Steffanx: it's clearly made to be sitting on a desk in an air conditioned classroom
2017-03-30T01:46:58 < englishman> even in an enclosure with some other crap at room temp, it gets too hot
2017-03-30T01:47:14 < englishman> and dies
2017-03-30T01:47:38 < Steffanx> i get the idea the first pushed it onto the market and then decided to do some temperature tests.
2017-03-30T01:50:02 < Steffanx> I hate you welcome crt.
2017-03-30T01:55:44 < Steffanx> I see Aussie cats are just like Dutch cats. They have food, but want other food.. or act like the do.
2017-03-30T01:57:25 < Steffanx> And then i tell our cat it is not allowed on the kitchen counter
2017-03-30T01:57:41 < Steffanx> *to be on
2017-03-30T01:57:46 < englishman> :3
2017-03-30T01:59:07 < englishman> what a cute miao
2017-03-30T01:59:53 < Steffanx> Our cat doesnt really want to be outside, so when it goes on the counter she goes outside.. I now get the idea she goes onto the counter when she does want to go outside.
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2017-03-30T02:03:43 < Steffanx> Damn, I can "feel" that one.
2017-03-30T02:04:50 < Steffanx> You are a cruel person, not butlering hi.
2017-03-30T02:05:08 < Steffanx> him
2017-03-30T02:05:09 < Steffanx> it
2017-03-30T02:06:56 < Steffanx> The Cat Purge?
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2017-03-30T02:29:59 < jadew> https://youtu.be/WE9pYUVvr00?t=162
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2017-03-30T02:32:39 < aandrew> karlp: thanks, looking at it now
2017-03-30T02:33:32 < fenugrec> aandrew solved your BX LR problem ?
2017-03-30T02:33:46 < englishman> get a harness and leash crt
2017-03-30T02:34:57 < aandrew> fenugrec: yes, in a shitty way
2017-03-30T02:35:12 < aandrew> I suspect there may be a compiler bug. adding another call between the two functions "fixed" it
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2017-03-30T02:38:06 < aandrew> karlp: hm, you don't do anything for sizes that are not multiples of 4 bytes
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2017-03-30T02:49:25 < jadew> https://youtu.be/WE9pYUVvr00?t=1008
2017-03-30T03:05:58 < fenugrec> aandrew hmm if it's that fragile it would be worth it to look at disasm. Even more so if behavior changes if you change optimization levels
2017-03-30T03:06:10 < aandrew> oh I know
2017-03-30T03:06:22 < fenugrec> what gcc flags were you using ?
2017-03-30T03:06:25 < aandrew> it was pretty straightforward disassem
2017-03-30T03:06:36 < aandrew> -Og and -mthumb basically
2017-03-30T03:07:51 < aandrew> -Wall -g -std=gnu11 -Og -mlittle-endian -mcpu=cortex-m3 -march=armv7-m -mthumb -fstack-usage -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections
2017-03-30T03:08:14 < aandrew> not sure why I've got -march in there
2017-03-30T03:08:18 < fenugrec> ok, pretty conventional - why the specific -march tohugh ?
2017-03-30T03:08:21 < fenugrec> *though
2017-03-30T03:08:44 < aandrew> like I said, not sure wtf I put that in there for
2017-03-30T03:08:51 < aandrew> it's not like there are different M3 archs
2017-03-30T03:08:58 < fenugrec> heh
2017-03-30T03:10:15 < fenugrec> other thing that comes to mind is linking against non-thumb library vs "-mthumb-interwork" flag
2017-03-30T03:11:01 < aandrew> I shouldn't have that issue, all code on this machine is built at make time (eg. no external libraries)
2017-03-30T03:12:28 < fenugrec> ok, just a shot in the dark. Also I'd check the HAL stuff you were using IIRC, maybe some macro weirdness in there
2017-03-30T03:13:15 < aandrew> *nods* it all looked good. I'm hoping it's not a compiler bug and just some stupidity I am not seeing
2017-03-30T03:15:21 < fenugrec> likely not a gcc bug,; the code looked fairly orthodox. Not ruling out a gcc "feature" though heh
2017-03-30T03:15:39 < fenugrec> although you did have std=gnu11
2017-03-30T03:15:44 < fenugrec> have you tried other gcc versions
2017-03-30T03:15:59 < fenugrec> (of gcc)
2017-03-30T03:22:45 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYlR4WjJIenBEcm8/view?usp=sharing
2017-03-30T03:23:06 < aandrew> fenugrec: I was using 6.something from end of 2016, now using latest 6 from start of this month
2017-03-30T03:23:16 < aandrew> I have to see if I can recreate the scenario
2017-03-30T03:23:35 < upgrdman> what kind of icon do you guys prefer for a "settings" button? the three horizontal bars icon? gear icon? something else?
2017-03-30T03:23:55 < fenugrec> gear or wrench. Tools rule.
2017-03-30T03:24:41 < aandrew> I'm a fan of the gear as well, seems fairly standardized
2017-03-30T03:25:05 < englishman> hammer and sickle
2017-03-30T03:25:22 < fenugrec> that's something I would like to see
2017-03-30T03:25:53 < fenugrec> Party's preferences. Can't change 'em
2017-03-30T03:28:16 < englishman> you click on it and get a screen "the best settings have already been assigned to you"
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2017-03-30T03:54:48 < aandrew> hah
2017-03-30T03:54:54 < aandrew> there's a company on amazon called AMAZECO
2017-03-30T03:54:58 < aandrew> I wonder if that's dongs
2017-03-30T03:55:38 < stm32> BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
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2017-03-30T04:18:38 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-03-30T04:18:51 < dongs> < fenugrec> what gcc flags were you using ?
2017-03-30T04:18:53 < dongs> found the problem
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2017-03-30T04:27:29 < stm32> hi dongs
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2017-03-30T04:27:40 < englishman> these stroopwafel are dangerous
2017-03-30T04:27:57 < stm32> englishman: i had 2 and I was pumping for weeks on IRC
2017-03-30T04:28:06 < stm32> definitely a gateway to much worse
2017-03-30T04:28:31 < englishman> gateway wafel
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2017-03-30T04:29:37 < stm32> hows the picknplace?
2017-03-30T04:30:33 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QYRR1tFpvk
2017-03-30T04:30:51 < englishman> motion upgrades are great, still having problems with some feeders
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2017-03-30T04:43:49 < stm32> nice
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2017-03-30T05:00:13 < dongs> motherfucking fedex ship manager
2017-03-30T05:00:21 < dongs> how can that shit be so fucking broken
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2017-03-30T05:08:46 < dongs> click in wrong place and entier form is fucked until you save/restore the shipment
2017-03-30T05:09:56 < jadew> I don't understand how the frequency counter in my spectrum analyzer works
2017-03-30T05:10:22 < jadew> it's able to count the frequency of a signal you put your marker on
2017-03-30T05:10:28 < jadew> regardless of the RBW
2017-03-30T05:10:54 < jadew> and if you move to another signal, it counts that one
2017-03-30T05:11:15 < jadew> and if you go into the noise floor, it basically shows the frequency the marker is at
2017-03-30T05:12:19 < jadew> I wonder what would happen if I hide two signals inside the RBW window
2017-03-30T05:14:57 < jadew> ok, that fools it
2017-03-30T05:16:17 < stm32> model #?
2017-03-30T05:16:46 < jadew> so it must be taking the time to count on the output after the filter is applied
2017-03-30T05:16:52 < jadew> HP 8562E
2017-03-30T05:17:02 < stm32> sexy
2017-03-30T05:17:20 < jadew> yeah, it's nice
2017-03-30T05:17:55 < stm32> i've only got a toy DSA815-TG
2017-03-30T05:18:15 < jadew> those are nice too, more features
2017-03-30T05:19:11 < stm32> i only got it for pre pre-compliance lols with china turds
2017-03-30T05:19:33 < jadew> how much extra was the TG?
2017-03-30T05:19:50 < stm32> fuck knows maybe $400 iirc
2017-03-30T05:20:18 < jadew> oh, not cheap, was expecting it to be a little less
2017-03-30T05:20:28 < jadew> < $300
2017-03-30T05:20:54 < stm32> cispr15 is my friend
2017-03-30T05:21:11 < dongs> 8562E Portable Spectrum Analyzer, 30 Hz to 13.2 GHz
2017-03-30T05:21:12 < dongs> Product Status:	Obsolete
2017-03-30T05:21:18 < dongs> just like jadew
2017-03-30T05:21:19 < dongs> obsolete
2017-03-30T05:21:25 < jadew> lol
2017-03-30T05:21:42 < dongs> jadew: also finall found your dickstarter
2017-03-30T05:21:45 < dongs> < dongs>
2017-03-30T05:21:45 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/691/630/55ee8707d9be4036e8791ce789c77069_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1488334384&auto=format&lossless=true&s=8d8d07b540d9930381e3dfc52f750d0f
2017-03-30T05:22:11 < jadew> your name is Otoko W?
2017-03-30T05:22:21 < dongs> you're the second one to make that joke, and no
2017-03-30T05:22:41 < jadew> I know, I'm just trolling you, I saw the scrollback :P
2017-03-30T05:22:46 < dongs> k fgt
2017-03-30T05:23:29 < jadew> snapmaker
2017-03-30T05:23:30 < jadew> wth is that?
2017-03-30T05:23:43 < dongs> some retarded 3d dicker shit that'll sure ly do > 10mil on dickstarter
2017-03-30T05:23:49 < dongs> and craash and burn spectacularly after
2017-03-30T05:24:03 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/snapmaker/snapmaker-the-all-metal-3d-printer 1 mil already.
2017-03-30T05:24:26 < jadew> oh right, I remember it
2017-03-30T05:25:49 < englishman> 50k goal lol
2017-03-30T05:25:53 < dongs> ikr
2017-03-30T05:25:53 < englishman> for 8 people
2017-03-30T05:26:11 < dongs> thats like, couple months of rent in thier new shittycoon valley office with aeron chairs, right
2017-03-30T05:27:20 < englishman> well aerons are only 1k but you can get 10 for 10k
2017-03-30T05:27:47 < jadew> you need more chairs than people
2017-03-30T05:27:51 < jadew> I have two chairs in here
2017-03-30T05:28:11 < stm32> three in here
2017-03-30T05:28:47 < jadew> 3 is too much :P
2017-03-30T05:28:53 < englishman> according to their timeline they already paid for and have dies and injection moulds
2017-03-30T05:28:56 < englishman> but somehow still need 50k
2017-03-30T05:29:23 < englishman> all that is left is software optimization and fcc approval
2017-03-30T05:29:30 < stm32> surprised?
2017-03-30T05:29:48 < englishman> i hope i can print a zano with it
2017-03-30T05:30:12 < jadew> you can even print the HD camera on the zano
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2017-03-30T06:14:35 < stm32> lol
2017-03-30T06:14:56 < stm32> someone should reboot zano
2017-03-30T06:16:08 < stm32> first on the agenda a feasibility study
2017-03-30T06:17:37 < tpw_rules> psh, waste of money
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2017-03-30T06:17:52 < stm32> or hire a film crew / speciall effects crew to scam another 3 mil
2017-03-30T06:18:14 < tpw_rules> has anyone here actually put a product through fcc certification
2017-03-30T06:18:21 < stm32> somewhat yes
2017-03-30T06:18:30 < tpw_rules> did it have a radio
2017-03-30T06:18:34 < stm32> no
2017-03-30T06:18:42 < tpw_rules> hm
2017-03-30T06:18:45 < stm32> radio = more tests etc
2017-03-30T06:18:54 < tpw_rules> yeah i knew that. does using an fcc certified module save me much
2017-03-30T06:22:19 < stm32> it still needs to be tested as a complete product
2017-03-30T06:22:37 < stm32> just like those meanwell power supplies which boast FCC compliance
2017-03-30T06:22:55 < stm32> I can tell you first hand they usually fail conducted through the line without an additional line filter
2017-03-30T06:23:50 < tpw_rules> how do i design my product to be tested?
2017-03-30T06:24:01 < tpw_rules> i'm working on one and fcc compliance keeps worrying me in the back of my mind
2017-03-30T06:24:11 < stm32> layout layout layout
2017-03-30T06:24:27 < tpw_rules> meaning?
2017-03-30T06:24:43 < stm32> read a booking on electromagnetic compatibility
2017-03-30T06:24:49 < stm32> i recommend ott's book
2017-03-30T06:25:12 < stm32> so do pros here
2017-03-30T06:25:16 < tpw_rules> oh dear 872 pages
2017-03-30T06:25:27 < tpw_rules> jeebus
2017-03-30T06:25:59 < stm32> keith armstrong has some vids up through another company on utube about EMC
2017-03-30T06:26:10 < tpw_rules> i mean i'm fine reading
2017-03-30T06:26:13 < tpw_rules> but like that's a lot
2017-03-30T06:26:25 < tpw_rules> i thought this would be as breezy and free as coding a few lines of python
2017-03-30T06:26:25 < stm32> umm yeah lot = content
2017-03-30T06:26:36 < stm32> lol if it was, china would maybe do it
2017-03-30T06:26:46 < tpw_rules> i see it as "stuff i need to know or will later be murdered by spooks"
2017-03-30T06:26:54 < tpw_rules> 872 pages worth is many things
2017-03-30T06:27:46 < stm32> learn about the world of differential mode and common mode disturbances
2017-03-30T06:28:30 < tpw_rules> is it such a problem in super low power battery stuff running at tens of MHz? can i get an inkling of the problem with my old tek and a multimeter
2017-03-30T06:29:09 < stm32> you can build your own near-field probes
2017-03-30T06:29:14 < stm32> and common mode probes
2017-03-30T06:29:44 < tpw_rules> at what point does fcc compliance become an issue?
2017-03-30T06:29:58 < stm32> when you want to sell the product as a business i guess
2017-03-30T06:30:03 < tpw_rules> hmmmm
2017-03-30T06:30:11 < tpw_rules> you're worrying me a lot
2017-03-30T06:30:14 < tpw_rules> but i worry about everything
2017-03-30T06:31:01 < stm32> apart from FCC i guess there will be electrical safety standards too
2017-03-30T06:31:12 < tpw_rules> well it's battery powered
2017-03-30T06:31:38 < stm32> a battery powered circuit can kill you
2017-03-30T06:31:48 < tpw_rules> i mean that is true
2017-03-30T06:31:49 < jadew> don't you know about that guy that killed himself with a 9V battery?
2017-03-30T06:31:59 < tpw_rules> but i don't need to worry so much about clearances and isolation
2017-03-30T06:32:07 < stm32> or the infant who swallowed a coin cell and died
2017-03-30T06:34:05 < tpw_rules> oh i have to buy the standard :|
2017-03-30T06:34:10 < tpw_rules> maybe i should just pull a china
2017-03-30T06:35:00 < tpw_rules> i will have a switching converter and a radio. but not like any high speed bus
2017-03-30T06:36:01  * tpw_rules stm32: do you happen to have a pdf of the ott book
2017-03-30T06:36:19 < tpw_rules> stm32: do you happen to have a pdf of the ott book
2017-03-30T06:36:27 < tpw_rules> i pressed a weird button the first time
2017-03-30T06:36:37 < jadew> there's always the chance that you can fuck up when you have switching + radio
2017-03-30T06:36:39 < stm32> I purchased it from fishpond as a hard copy
2017-03-30T06:37:08 < jadew> because you can get end up mixing switching noise with the RF signals
2017-03-30T06:37:48 < tpw_rules> stm32: is there like a five page summary i can use to help get an idea of the scale of the problem?
2017-03-30T06:37:56 < tpw_rules> i swear i'm not lazy, just very intimidated
2017-03-30T06:38:02 < stm32> just call henry mate
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2017-03-30T06:38:06 < stm32> he consults
2017-03-30T06:38:51 < jadew> tpw_rules, I'd start by reading the regulations
2017-03-30T06:39:45 < tpw_rules> https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/398 ah see this is what i wanted
2017-03-30T06:40:27 < tpw_rules> mine is an industrial/commercial test equipment
2017-03-30T06:41:50 < jadew> tpw_rules, the short answer is that if you have to get it certified, you have to do your best not to screw up, maybe do some testing and optimization, then do pre compliance testing
2017-03-30T06:42:00 < jadew> at that point you'll know how bad you screwed up
2017-03-30T06:42:07 < jadew> which will enable you to do relative measurements
2017-03-30T06:43:32 < jadew> (and fix it)
2017-03-30T06:43:57 < jadew> absolute values won't help you, if you don't have the means to make absolute measurements
2017-03-30T06:44:24 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-03-30T06:44:48 < tpw_rules> but i'm kind of hoping for like a few pages of "things to think about" to increase my chances with a device that isn't particularly risky
2017-03-30T06:44:52 < tpw_rules> the radio module is already fcc certified
2017-03-30T06:45:06 < stm32> so is a meanwell power supply
2017-03-30T06:45:17 < stm32> but the product containing it failed
2017-03-30T06:45:28 < tpw_rules> well it means i don't have to pay 10x to get it certified
2017-03-30T06:45:34 < stm32> maybe
2017-03-30T06:45:39 < jadew> yeah, but that doesn't mean you can't use it to radiate outside the band your product is supposed to radiate in
2017-03-30T06:46:01 < tpw_rules> well isn't the point of them getting that certification that they've programmed it so it won't?
2017-03-30T06:47:40 < jadew> yeah, but you can affect it in a way much greater than it's covered by the regulations
2017-03-30T06:50:16 < tpw_rules> http://www.emcfastpass.com/cert-ebook/ have you heard anything about this?
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2017-03-30T07:05:49 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/VrmcYeA.jpg
2017-03-30T07:09:38 < jadew> a teacher of mine was telling us how another student came to him once and said "If I cut one of my balls off, will you give me $20?"
2017-03-30T07:09:57 < aandrew> sounds like .ro
2017-03-30T07:10:36 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/mTTY2Xw?r
2017-03-30T07:12:31 < stm32> rated insulation tape for transformers
2017-03-30T07:12:33 < stm32> sell me
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2017-03-30T07:23:00 < dongs> i think i need to relax a bit. puchend some holes in wall and threw my phone this morning over jap company raging me the fuck out
2017-03-30T07:28:14 < PeterM> stm32 you mean margin tape or pet/mara tape?
2017-03-30T07:28:36 < stm32> both i guess
2017-03-30T07:29:23 < PeterM> if i was at home i'd hook you up with a buncch of stuff for lower power xformers
2017-03-30T07:29:52 < PeterM> ive got excess bobbins, wire, cores, tape, etc
2017-03-30T07:30:06 < stm32> pick me pick me!!!
2017-03-30T07:30:28 < PeterM> if you can wait 2 weeks or so i can send yo ua care pack for magnetics
2017-03-30T07:32:02 < stm32> yes pls!!!
2017-03-30T07:32:03 < stm32> ty
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2017-03-30T07:43:53 < PaulFertser> karlp: that's for compare-sections command.
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2017-03-30T07:49:29 < aandrew> dongs: yeah that's no good you're gonna give yourself a heart attack
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2017-03-30T07:54:51 < dongs> i paid these motherfuckers 9 days ago for some work that takes 30 minutes max
2017-03-30T07:55:03 < dongs> they fucked around for 5 days asking me about the data i sent (which was correct)
2017-03-30T07:55:17 < dongs> this morning they call me asking "whats the tracking for the shit you sent us to work on, we cant find the box"
2017-03-30T07:55:26 < dongs> i fucking lost it at that point
2017-03-30T07:56:14 < dongs> (shipping estimate was for 3/29, which is yesterday)
2017-03-30T07:59:25 < emeb_mac> lUzers
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2017-03-30T08:15:57 < aandrew> awesome.
2017-03-30T08:18:04 < dongs> their only point of contact email is a catchall box like info@fuckyou.co.jp
2017-03-30T08:18:10 < dongs> and its answered by like ~10 people working there
2017-03-30T08:18:15 < dongs> so every time i send mail there
2017-03-30T08:18:19 < dongs> nobody has any idea of whats going on
2017-03-30T08:18:39 < dongs> because person in charge of that email on that day will read it, and it will be on his computer only
2017-03-30T08:18:42 < dongs> holy fucking fuck
2017-03-30T08:25:54 < stm32> o
2017-03-30T08:26:09 < stm32> :/
2017-03-30T08:26:45 < stm32> I'm winding a 50hz bucking transformer for a client today
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2017-03-30T08:32:11 < emeb_mac> dongs: sounds super-pro
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2017-03-30T08:32:30 < emeb_mac> A+ communication there fellas
2017-03-30T08:32:52 < stm32> that
2017-03-30T08:33:09 < stm32> that's one thing you wont say after failing a $2000 EMC test
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2017-03-30T08:36:08 < dongs> ragequit
2017-03-30T08:36:15 < dongs> yes
2017-03-30T08:36:18 < dongs> "her"
2017-03-30T08:36:29 < dongs> i think he's in teh hospital for overdosing on HRT
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2017-03-30T08:48:21 < dongs> ya old and useless
2017-03-30T08:48:21 < dongs> steam already does that
2017-03-30T08:48:28 < dongs> i think you can just click someshit in steam to show your desktop in vr
2017-03-30T08:48:42 < dongs> haha $14
2017-03-30T08:48:42 < dongs> fuck off
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2017-03-30T09:51:46 < upgrdman> anyone know what accent this guy has? he pronounces gravity and velocity a little weird   https://youtu.be/hG9SzQxaCm8?t=421
2017-03-30T09:52:43 < jadew> lol
2017-03-30T09:53:01 < PeterM> sounds mercan' but slightly more "special
2017-03-30T09:53:04 < jadew> what's his name?
2017-03-30T09:53:17 < upgrdman> jadew, Kyle Pittman
2017-03-30T09:53:41 < jadew> sounds american, yeah
2017-03-30T09:53:54 < dongs> doesnt soudn anything weird to me
2017-03-30T09:53:54 < upgrdman> well ya
2017-03-30T09:54:06 < upgrdman> but it sounds like some part of 'murica and im not sure which
2017-03-30T09:54:25 < jadew> ah, he's probably from where the rednecks are
2017-03-30T09:54:32 < jadew> south?
2017-03-30T09:55:16 < PeterM> nah, im sure he is jsut regular mercan but very little social interaction or neded speech therapy because most of his pronunciation is 100% regular the words jsut dont fit in
2017-03-30T09:55:37 < upgrdman> oh lol some other fuckers commented about it in the video
2017-03-30T09:55:44 < upgrdman> This guy's accent is wild, he's dropping t's like I would expect from the english but he sounds american?
2017-03-30T09:55:51 < upgrdman> I'm gonna place him North Dakota/Minnesota/Michigan. You don't sound like that unless you crew up near Canada
2017-03-30T09:55:59 < upgrdman> Sounds like some sort of midwest/northeast American accent to me, something between Wisconsin and Boston.
2017-03-30T09:56:00 < upgrdman> etc
2017-03-30T09:56:52 < jadew> I don't understand most americans
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2017-03-30T09:59:40 < jadew> I saw a video recently where I wasn't sure if the guy is faking it or if that's how he talks
2017-03-30T10:00:19 < PeterM> ^ "not sure if retarded, or if jsut trying to sound fancy and failing"
2017-03-30T10:01:02 < PeterM> not directed at you, btu at the guy in your video
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2017-03-30T10:02:31 < jadew> found it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ip01je1qFQ
2017-03-30T10:03:44 < jadew> fake accent, right?
2017-03-30T10:04:44 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNpX6CBzkko
2017-03-30T10:05:25 < dongs> < jadew> fake accent, right?
2017-03-30T10:05:26 < dongs> no
2017-03-30T10:05:30 < dongs> thats legit redneck accent
2017-03-30T10:06:12 < jadew> wow
2017-03-30T10:06:50 < jadew> looks like it comes with a bunch of gestures too
2017-03-30T10:08:40 < jadew> he's still easily intelligible tho
2017-03-30T10:09:24 < jadew> but the roughly 50% of the americans I've met in person were difficult to understand
2017-03-30T10:10:02 < jadew> they didn't speak anything like that or what you see in movies
2017-03-30T10:10:52 < PeterM> jadew do oyu have trouble understanding scottish people?
2017-03-30T10:10:58 < jadew> yeah
2017-03-30T10:11:22 < jadew> was once in an elevator with two and couldn't make out anything from what they were talking
2017-03-30T10:11:36 < jadew> it was like a completely different language
2017-03-30T10:14:08 < jadew> probably because I haven't been exposed enough to various accents
2017-03-30T10:15:06 < jadew> so I guess it's my fault
2017-03-30T10:16:30 < jadew> people in here don't talk differently than they do on TV
2017-03-30T10:17:13 < jadew> we have accents too, but the structure of the words doesn't get corrupted, it's very mild
2017-03-30T10:17:23 < jadew> small country tho
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2017-03-30T10:20:29 < jadew> PeterM, btw, in that elevator, I was also with a canadian guy and he said he couldn't understand them either
2017-03-30T10:22:39 < upgrdman> wtf, amazon is 3x the price of walmart for some random shit
2017-03-30T10:22:59 < upgrdman> amazon needs to step the fuck up
2017-03-30T10:24:33 < PeterM> walmart probably sells 100x the volume of amazon for random small shit
2017-03-30T10:25:09 < upgrdman> ya this is just some fucking toilet bowl cleaner
2017-03-30T10:25:21 < upgrdman> walmart prolly sells tons of them
2017-03-30T10:25:21 < PeterM> like, wallmart will probably sell 100 clothes peg baskets to every one form amazon
2017-03-30T10:25:33 < PeterM> exactly
2017-03-30T10:26:01 < PeterM> man, you knwo what shits me? people who dont have toilet roll holders
2017-03-30T10:26:12 < upgrdman> you know people like that?
2017-03-30T10:26:19 < jadew> lol
2017-03-30T10:26:31 < PeterM> i dont mean the ones the on the wall to dispense the toliet paper
2017-03-30T10:26:43 < PeterM> i mean the ones you load up with additional rolls
2017-03-30T10:26:54 < stm32> i need a rip start
2017-03-30T10:26:56 < PeterM> so you dont find your self sittin on the shitter jsut run otu of paper
2017-03-30T10:26:58 < upgrdman> o lol. im one of those people. just shove em in the cabinet under the sink
2017-03-30T10:27:01 < stm32> going to brew a shot of espresso mate
2017-03-30T10:27:08 < jadew> same here
2017-03-30T10:27:35 < jadew> and I always check if there's enough toilet paper before I start anything
2017-03-30T10:27:46 < upgrdman> at my old work the toilet was junk and often you'd have to flush twice
2017-03-30T10:27:47 < PeterM> thats sorta OK, if say, your shitter is in the bathroom
2017-03-30T10:27:58 < upgrdman> i had fun filling it with my poop and let it get clogged
2017-03-30T10:28:10 < upgrdman> and walk the fuck away
2017-03-30T10:28:16 < upgrdman> fond memories
2017-03-30T10:28:31 < stm32> why not just fill it with cement
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2017-03-30T10:28:42 < jadew> stm32, it doesn't stink
2017-03-30T10:28:46 < upgrdman> PeterM, where the fuck else would the shitter be
2017-03-30T10:29:18 < jadew> upgrdman, http://fermapolitica.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/wc.jpg
2017-03-30T10:29:21 < stm32> drop a grenade in a septic tank
2017-03-30T10:29:24 < PeterM> in its own room, so you can take a shit wihtout disturbing someone having a shower or brushign their teeth
2017-03-30T10:29:45 < jadew> PeterM, they can't wait?
2017-03-30T10:30:17 < upgrdman> hmm that never bothered me. you taking a shower? good. perfect time for me to shit. don't worry babe, you can keep using the shower.
2017-03-30T10:30:21 < PeterM> if someones i nthe shower and you need to do a piss real bad, nah, they cant
2017-03-30T10:30:23 < jadew> we have an utility bathroom, if someone is taking a shower, we can use that one
2017-03-30T10:30:52 < jadew> and we keep the toilet paper under the sink
2017-03-30T10:31:12 < jadew> you have to have a sink, no?
2017-03-30T10:31:45 < upgrdman> jadew, heh, you should let the roll get low, not have more rolls under the sink, but instead have a huge cardboard troll face in the under-sink cabinet
2017-03-30T10:32:05 < jadew> haha
2017-03-30T10:32:29 < upgrdman> and maybe a pair of latex gloves next to the troll face
2017-03-30T10:32:32 < jadew> that wouldn't do it, tho, we have a book shelf full of books in there too
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2017-03-30T10:32:39 < upgrdman> ah bummer
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2017-03-30T10:37:05 < PeterM> http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/forums/index.php?/topic/1155584-separate-toilet-and-bathroom-or-toilet-in-bathroom/
2017-03-30T10:37:54 < PeterM> oh, also, the other thign about having a seperate shittter is you can jsut go in there, lock the door and take a shit in peace without annoyign people who need to use the bathroom
2017-03-30T10:38:33 < jadew> well, you can have that, but I'd prefer one in the bathroom too
2017-03-30T10:39:28 < jadew> or at least have them connected by a door
2017-03-30T10:40:10 < upgrdman> when unit tests pass but integration tests fail  https://gfycat.com/HotOrangeCoypu
2017-03-30T10:40:28 < jadew> lol
2017-03-30T10:40:55 < PeterM> nailed it
2017-03-30T10:42:56 < jadew> has anyone used those cheap hantek sig gens?
2017-03-30T10:43:09 < jadew> do they double as a DSO too?
2017-03-30T10:44:01 < upgrdman> lolwut  https://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/62c3xk/college_dorm_battlestation/
2017-03-30T10:44:07 < upgrdman> such keyboards, very wow
2017-03-30T10:44:27 < jadew> no function keys
2017-03-30T10:44:43 < PeterM> speakign of keyboards, mine is a nigger
2017-03-30T10:45:13 < upgrdman> i <3 my das keyboard.
2017-03-30T10:45:51 < jadew> I might need a new keyboard soon, I dropped mine last week that something got loose inside
2017-03-30T10:45:52 < PeterM> upgrdman can yo usee whats wrogn with this keyboard http://www.corsair.com/~/media/corsair/product-images/keyboards/k70-lux/blue-led/mx-red/na-layout/large/k70_lux_blue_na_02.png
2017-03-30T10:45:58 < PeterM> hint, symbols
2017-03-30T10:46:07 < jadew> not to mention that none of the clips are holding anymore
2017-03-30T10:46:32 < upgrdman> PeterM, ahaha lol
2017-03-30T10:47:10 < jadew> I don't see it
2017-03-30T10:47:15 < PeterM> shits fucked, whenever i look at the keyboard (nto regularly) while typign symbols i trigger myself
2017-03-30T10:47:19 < upgrdman> the symbols are below the letters jadew
2017-03-30T10:47:28 < upgrdman> like 1! instead of !1
2017-03-30T10:47:37 < PeterM> jadew this is the old and corect way http://www.corsair.com/~/media/corsair/product-photo-root/k/k70_top_gm_us_1.png
2017-03-30T10:47:52 < PeterM> upgrdman they did it with ?/ and shti too
2017-03-30T10:47:55 < jadew> ah
2017-03-30T10:48:01 < jadew> wouldn't bother me
2017-03-30T10:48:03 < upgrdman> PeterM, ya all of them
2017-03-30T10:48:15 < upgrdman> PeterM, so it was intetional?! dafuq
2017-03-30T10:48:44 < PeterM> yeah im lookking to buy a set of the old keyboard keybaps becuase shit s fucked
2017-03-30T10:49:04 < jadew> the old ones look nicer
2017-03-30T10:49:15 < jadew> the font is better
2017-03-30T10:49:36 < PeterM> jadew 100% sgreed
2017-03-30T10:49:55 < PeterM> when i ordered, i htought i was gettign hte old one
2017-03-30T10:50:12 < upgrdman> i have this. love it so much. i even take it with my to china when im shanghaid.   http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-professional/
2017-03-30T10:50:20 < upgrdman> cheery blues of course
2017-03-30T10:51:04 < PeterM> that looks like an amaze keyboard, btu i liek reds too muchg
2017-03-30T10:52:19 < jadew> reds are clicky?
2017-03-30T10:52:43 < upgrdman> dunno about reds, but blues are clicky. sounds like a model m.
2017-03-30T10:52:57 < upgrdman> and feels pretty close to a model m too
2017-03-30T10:54:11 < PeterM> reds have no tactile, they jsut spring and bottom out
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2017-03-30T11:07:04 < PeterM> anyone know of any parts that you can stick a usb type c on and will auto negotiate max power draw?
2017-03-30T11:07:17 < PeterM> oh, that are cheap and dont require a micro to control either
2017-03-30T11:07:39 < PeterM> and they sink both o nthe 20v and 5v
2017-03-30T11:08:06 < PeterM> ive found lots that sink on 20v source on 5v or sink/source on 5v and nothing on 20v
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2017-03-30T11:30:16 < dongs> fuck japs
2017-03-30T11:30:32 < dongs> some fuckers submitted gerber made with fucking zucken CR5000
2017-03-30T11:30:38 < dongs> shit doesnt even fucking import correctly
2017-03-30T11:30:42 < dongs> gcode errors all over the place
2017-03-30T11:30:46 < dongs> what absolute fucking trash
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2017-03-30T11:35:07 < dongs> oh great, another one is from kikecad
2017-03-30T11:35:09 < dongs> doesn't load either
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2017-03-30T11:42:50 < filt3r> is there a way to `elegantly` output strings and numbers without using (s)printf() and without using different calls like print_string();print_int();print_string();? maybe using some preprocessor magic or something?
2017-03-30T11:49:58 < dongs> wut
2017-03-30T11:50:09 < dongs> first ask yourself why do you need to output numbers and strings?
2017-03-30T11:50:09 < dongs> to where?
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2017-03-30T11:52:52 < filt3r> generally to serial and i usually use different print functions for strings and numbers, etc. but the code looks shit, using printf looks and reads nicer but has obviously some overhead
2017-03-30T11:59:31 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1548530334/quantum-firewall-nanocheeze-mequavis/ found ohsix project
2017-03-30T12:03:57 < dongs> filt3r: so why do you need to print stuff?
2017-03-30T12:03:58 < dongs> i dont get it
2017-03-30T12:04:14 < dongs> printf has formatting, right? so you can mix content and values.
2017-03-30T12:05:09 < filt3r> yes but i would like to avoid the overhead a printf implementation adds, also it's just for debugging purposes
2017-03-30T12:05:32 < dongs> get a real fucking IDE so you dont have to printf shit for debugging
2017-03-30T12:05:45 < dongs> its 2017
2017-03-30T12:05:49 < dongs> not arduino.exe
2017-03-30T12:07:03 < filt3r> by debugging i also mean in the field, etc. it's not only for developement
2017-03-30T12:07:13 < dongs> tehn clearly there's no problem
2017-03-30T12:08:30 < filt3r> well ideally i would like to have some kind of printf which is evaluated at compile time to a set of calls, because usually the output format will not change at runtime
2017-03-30T12:11:13 < filt3r> e.g. printf("dick: %d\n", 16); could be rewritten like print_string("dick: "); print_int(16); print_string("\n"); which works but looks like shit in the source, so i was thinking about someting like MAGIC_PRINTF_MACRO("dick: ", 16, "\n"); which would be converted by the preprocessor to the 3 print_* calls at compile time
2017-03-30T12:11:24 < filt3r> but i guess it's not really possible using the normal preprcessor magic
2017-03-30T12:11:59 < emeryth> filt3r: have you actually measured the overhead of printf?
2017-03-30T12:12:42 < emeryth> and have you looked for a different, better printf?
2017-03-30T12:12:52 < dongs> https://robohon.com/product/robohon.php this garbage is two fucking thousand USD$
2017-03-30T12:12:57 < dongs> holy fucking fuck
2017-03-30T12:13:35 < Steffanx> OS：Android™ 5.0 .. 5..
2017-03-30T12:14:20 < dongs> Wi-Fi®：○（IEEE802.11b／g／n*3）
2017-03-30T12:14:21 < dongs> haha
2017-03-30T12:14:23 < dongs> bgn
2017-03-30T12:14:28 < dongs> this shit is str8 out of stone ages
2017-03-30T12:14:30 < dongs> of computing
2017-03-30T12:16:00 < filt3r> i did not really measure it since it's not even a platform specific issue, but just the fact that the format string is evaluated at runtime seems ... needless for 95% of the uses cases of printf
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2017-03-30T12:19:48 < dongs> filt3r: sounds like you should use rust instead
2017-03-30T12:25:02 < Laurenceb> https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/autism-organic2.jpg
2017-03-30T12:30:18 < Steffanx> Do you consider yourself a good scientist Laurenceb?
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2017-03-30T12:34:12 < Laurenceb> yes
2017-03-30T12:34:20 < Steffanx> ok.
2017-03-30T12:34:30 < Laurenceb> did you know that Crapillary refill time correlates with blood flow
2017-03-30T12:34:56 < Laurenceb> http://tylervigen.com/correlation_project/correlation_images/per-capita-consumption-of-cheese-us_number-of-people-who-died-by-becoming-tangled-in-their-bedsheets.png
2017-03-30T12:35:02 < Laurenceb> it must measure blood flow
2017-03-30T12:35:31 < Steffanx> You might have mention it a few times, but .. i never really bothered :P
2017-03-30T12:36:16 < Steffanx> but we all know crt is full with bullshit, ask stm32
2017-03-30T12:36:18 < Laurenceb> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4573516/
2017-03-30T12:36:26 < Laurenceb> The low sensitivity means that a normal capillary refill time should not reassure clinicians.
2017-03-30T12:36:37 < stm32> m
2017-03-30T12:36:44 < Laurenceb> its useless
2017-03-30T12:36:56 < stm32> get lcd
2017-03-30T12:37:22 < Laurenceb> but it correlated with blood flow dude
2017-03-30T12:37:24 < Steffanx> lsd?
2017-03-30T12:37:31 < stm32> o/
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2017-03-30T12:44:42 < stm32> cat is here
2017-03-30T12:44:58 < kakimir> hello
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2017-03-30T12:50:25 < Steffanx> It's me.
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2017-03-30T12:51:25 < stm32> got pizza?
2017-03-30T12:51:58 < kakimir> no pizza
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2017-03-30T12:53:46 < karlp> aandrew: for my case, I'm eraseing flash pages and flashing a binary to them, so I just use whole words. I simply didnt need to support non-4-byte calculations
2017-03-30T13:00:23 < stm32> good fucking god
2017-03-30T13:05:35 < karlp> englishman: in your picknplace video, what's the red lights the toolheads move over? is it verifying that it actually picked up the parts from the feeders?
2017-03-30T13:05:44 < karlp> seems like a relly slow extra step?
2017-03-30T13:05:44 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-30T13:05:45 < dongs> thats the camera
2017-03-30T13:06:01 < dongs> to calucalte part offset from pickup + orientation
2017-03-30T13:06:14 < dongs> on pro stuff its done by laser/fast side camera
2017-03-30T13:06:39 < dongs> side camera also allows to automatically determine part thickness
2017-03-30T13:06:51 < zyp> most pro is siplace speedstar
2017-03-30T13:07:15 < stm32> $999,999?
2017-03-30T13:07:24 < zyp> surely
2017-03-30T13:10:27 < stm32> fk yeaa
2017-03-30T13:12:06 < Steffanx> Better get one for DJ repairs
2017-03-30T13:14:41 < stm32> yes
2017-03-30T13:15:15 < stm32> i'll start making the boards instead of buying them from pioneer
2017-03-30T13:15:19 < stm32> ...
2017-03-30T13:15:22 < stm32> :}
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2017-03-30T13:18:40 < karlp> PaulFertser: ah, I get it, because bmp is the gdbserver in that case, of course.
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2017-03-30T13:41:51 < sync_> zyp: typical siemens fashion tho
2017-03-30T13:41:57 < sync_> bsnz doing too well?
2017-03-30T13:41:59 < sync_> better sell it off
2017-03-30T13:45:03 < stm32> zeemans
2017-03-30T13:47:00 < karlp> too busy playing with their new mentor toys
2017-03-30T13:50:29 < stm32> pouring gasoline
2017-03-30T13:50:37 < stm32> fun stuff
2017-03-30T13:51:21 < stm32> cuckaduck
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2017-03-30T14:03:51 < Prutheus> Hey! I am working with STM32F103C8T6, datasheet https://goo.gl/nSAzFU (link shortened), I want to know where I can read that the stackinit is at 0x20005000 ?
2017-03-30T14:04:04 < dongs> 'read'?
2017-03-30T14:04:14 < dongs> this is in your startup file, surely?
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2017-03-30T14:04:59 < Prutheus> dongs: in my startup file is as ram start 0x20000000
2017-03-30T14:05:07 < Prutheus> so stackinit is euqal to ram start or what?
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2017-03-30T14:06:25 < dongs> i donno i use keil, it has stack size and heap size vars
2017-03-30T14:06:37 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/53VJ8MN.png
2017-03-30T14:06:39 < Laurenceb> my sides
2017-03-30T14:07:08 < Laurenceb> no irc there :(
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2017-03-30T14:10:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/KJUgRAm.jpg this dumb jap wants this on a PCB
2017-03-30T14:10:26 < Laurenceb> looks like it should be a flexi?
2017-03-30T14:10:28 < dongs> i told him it should probably be fpc...
2017-03-30T14:10:29 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-30T14:10:46 < Laurenceb> fpc is finally cheap now thanks to china
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2017-03-30T14:10:49 < Laurenceb> no excuses
2017-03-30T14:11:54 < dongs> yea?
2017-03-30T14:11:58 < dongs> what about castellated ends
2017-03-30T14:12:03 < dongs> like those tap points
2017-03-30T14:12:08 < dongs> i guess they can do that?
2017-03-30T14:13:11 < Laurenceb> I think I have some boards with similar
2017-03-30T14:13:19 < Laurenceb> for crapillary refill failproject
2017-03-30T14:14:20 < dongs> how does china cut those odd shapes cheap
2017-03-30T14:14:25 < dongs> doesnt that require a diecut mold thing
2017-03-30T14:14:30 < dongs> or do tehy just ghettoroute it
2017-03-30T14:14:35 < dongs> or mayb some chinaman sits there with scissors
2017-03-30T14:15:37 < sync_> laz0r?
2017-03-30T14:16:34 < sync_> I'm sure you can lasercut polyimide
2017-03-30T14:17:19 < Laurenceb> NdYAG
2017-03-30T14:17:23 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/PaulZC/Iridium_9603_Beacon/blob/master/Iridium_9603_Beacon.pdf
2017-03-30T14:17:40 < Laurenceb> need UV laser for polyimide
2017-03-30T14:19:25 < sync_> yeah, no reason why not tho
2017-03-30T14:21:04 < karlp> what's wrong with doing that on a regular pcb dongs?
2017-03-30T14:22:28 < dongs> karlp: nothing, it's gonna need to be like 0.4mm around
2017-03-30T14:22:52 < dongs> its an overlay to fix cockup on an existing board lol
2017-03-30T14:35:17 < dongs> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ta_zX4TiXk
2017-03-30T14:35:20 < dongs> please translate this shit
2017-03-30T14:36:46 < Laurenceb> my sides
2017-03-30T14:56:50 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/60mwak/who_received_a_diy_test_kit_from/df7qx7n/
2017-03-30T14:56:59 < Laurenceb> emdrivers were being trolled the whole time
2017-03-30T14:57:06 < Laurenceb> never saw that coming
2017-03-30T15:01:05 < englishman> karlp: yeah, up-camera, verifies the part was picked and its position and rotation on the nozzle, for small/fine pitch parts its 100% necessary
2017-03-30T15:01:23 < englishman> expensive shit has flying vision where the head doesn't have to slow down
2017-03-30T15:01:58 < englishman> mine is rather slow but I have a setting for that, it pauses for 1/4 sec before taking the picture, as I was having problems earlier
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2017-03-30T15:11:24 < englishman> cheer up dongs http://i.imgur.com/dUTtlK9.jpg
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2017-03-30T15:22:24 < Steffanx> lol
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2017-03-30T15:45:45 < Steffanx> Will this be sufficient for you mr kakimir? http://imgur.com/a/rcXoT
2017-03-30T15:45:49 < Steffanx> No thanks, crt
2017-03-30T15:46:08 < englishman> :D
2017-03-30T15:46:13 < englishman> the stroopfather
2017-03-30T15:48:40 < Steffanx> Oh boy.
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2017-03-30T15:54:50 < Steffanx> Was ist los mr crt?
2017-03-30T15:56:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/3b3x0v/an_open_message_to_thetravelleremd/
2017-03-30T15:56:42 < Steffanx> Why are you dead?
2017-03-30T15:56:58 < Steffanx> lsd.
2017-03-30T15:57:19 < Steffanx> drugs.
2017-03-30T15:57:36 < Steffanx> not an option?
2017-03-30T15:58:07 < Steffanx> i wouldnt do it either
2017-03-30T15:58:31 < Steffanx> No,
2017-03-30T15:59:20 < Steffanx> kakimir, can you ping me when you're back? Need you to check your address stuff.
2017-03-30T15:59:42 < Steffanx> affirmative
2017-03-30T16:00:35 < Steffanx> He doesnt know yet that he has to take a photo with it with something very typical finnish.. it needs a photo in a sauna for the zypsnip album.
2017-03-30T16:06:14 < Steffanx> I hope you'll enjoy
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2017-03-30T16:19:22 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=41732.0;attach=1415205;image
2017-03-30T16:19:28 < Laurenceb> serious business
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2017-03-30T16:28:54 < englishman> laurent who is thetraveller that name rings a bell
2017-03-30T16:29:11  * englishman dunks his wafel in his coffee
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2017-03-30T16:37:33 < Steffanx> Better microwave it for very short, just to get the stroop warm/hot
2017-03-30T16:37:42 < Laurenceb> dont use the microwave it might take off
2017-03-30T16:37:52 < Laurenceb> thetraveller is either a troll or legit insane
2017-03-30T16:38:08  * karlp zoidbergs, "why not both"
2017-03-30T16:38:48 < Steffanx> in the end it's Laurenceb's 2nd personality.
2017-03-30T16:38:53 < englishman> yeah microwaving is pro wafel usage
2017-03-30T16:39:18 < Steffanx> taking apart the two cookies <3
2017-03-30T16:39:22 < Steffanx> *wafels
2017-03-30T16:42:06 < Laurenceb> I'm 99% sure now that emdrive is all a troll too
2017-03-30T16:44:08 < Steffanx> And the other percentage is you still caring too much.
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2017-03-30T17:08:56 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4XGbZ7IrC8
2017-03-30T17:13:16 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/LY2FO wtf?
2017-03-30T17:13:17 < jadew> https://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/screen-shot-2015-09-22-at-6-00-33-pm.png?w=1140&h=1093
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2017-03-30T17:14:31 < jadew> 3 links, mine is the best
2017-03-30T17:15:00 < dongs> yours is about as funny as your mom
2017-03-30T17:16:37 < Laurenceb> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_Mums_Pussy
2017-03-30T17:18:29 < Rob235> thank you google cardboard for the magnet to use as a stud finder
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2017-03-30T17:19:21 < Steffanx> np
2017-03-30T17:20:15 < dongs> pics =level shifting uart with TXB0104
2017-03-30T17:20:32 < dongs> bottom pic = no cable attached
2017-03-30T17:20:40 < dongs> top pic = cable w/3.3V usb ttl attached
2017-03-30T17:20:49 < dongs> why so fail to reach ground? not enough drive strength in txb?
2017-03-30T17:22:53 < karlp> hrm, exti interrupt keeps refiring.  don't you just do EXTI_PR |= (1<<blah) to cler the flag?
2017-03-30T17:23:12 < dongs> I just do EXTI_ClearLineWhatever thing in stdperiphlib
2017-03-30T17:23:36 < dongs> which.. seems to do the same thing
2017-03-30T17:24:36 < karlp> yeah.
2017-03-30T17:24:37 < karlp> hrm.
2017-03-30T17:24:47 < karlp> LA shows the line goes high again. not sure why the IRQ keeps firing over and over again.
2017-03-30T17:25:14 < jadew> dongs, are you sure it's properly connected?
2017-03-30T17:25:21 < dongs> jewd, of course it is
2017-03-30T17:25:27 < dongs> how can i improprely connect it
2017-03-30T17:25:33 < jadew> TX to TX
2017-03-30T17:25:45 < dongs> i'm receiving shit (garbage) on the RX end
2017-03-30T17:25:49 < dongs> so its connected correctly
2017-03-30T17:26:19 < jadew> the fact that it goes almost to the middle, might mean that it's driving against another driver
2017-03-30T17:26:21 < dongs> since its not going low enough, usb>ttl is miscounting a bunch of bits
2017-03-30T17:26:51 < dongs> jadew: then how im receiving stuff
2017-03-30T17:27:14 < dongs> if its going against another driver
2017-03-30T17:27:30 < jadew> hmm, a short or something?
2017-03-30T17:27:35 < dongs> newp
2017-03-30T17:27:42 < dongs> if i dont plug in cable (just leave outputs floating) its fine
2017-03-30T17:29:07 < jadew> try to load it yourself
2017-03-30T17:29:12 < jadew> connect a pot to it
2017-03-30T17:29:16 < dongs> https://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=78484
2017-03-30T17:29:42 < Laurenceb> looks like you need impedance matching
2017-03-30T17:30:04 < jadew> ah
2017-03-30T17:30:08 < jadew> automatic direction sensing
2017-03-30T17:30:11 < jadew> that's your problem
2017-03-30T17:30:19 < jadew> any chance that you're using a long wire to connect the two?
2017-03-30T17:30:24 < dongs> sure
2017-03-30T17:30:33 < dongs> its a roll of cat5
2017-03-30T17:30:40 < jadew> that's it
2017-03-30T17:30:46 < jadew> you have too much capacitance
2017-03-30T17:31:07 < jadew> and when it's trying to drive it it believes it's being driven, because of the capacitance, so it switches directions
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2017-03-30T17:32:19 < dongs> yeah, tahts waht that blag post seems to imply
2017-03-30T17:32:41 < jadew> I've ran into this issue too
2017-03-30T17:32:48 < jadew> with a similar IC
2017-03-30T17:33:27 < dongs> i've only used this stuff on-board for short (obviously) distances so was never an issue
2017-03-30T17:33:44 < jadew> yeah, caught me by surprise too
2017-03-30T17:34:00 < dongs> i wonder what would be a cheap way to fix it, sticking a buffer after TXB is literally just adding a worthless part to BOM because i could just use the buffer to ghetto-levelshift
2017-03-30T17:34:06 < jadew> I'm sure tho that if you check the datasheet, there are some values in there that make sense
2017-03-30T17:34:23 < jadew> if you stick the buffer then you lose directivity
2017-03-30T17:34:29 < dongs> obviously i dont need it for uart
2017-03-30T17:34:34 < dongs> i already know the direction
2017-03-30T17:34:40 < jadew> ah, you just need isolation
2017-03-30T17:34:44 < jadew> right?
2017-03-30T17:34:52 < dongs> just level shifting yeah
2017-03-30T17:35:26 < jadew> use a different part?
2017-03-30T17:36:08 < jadew> without automatic direction sensing
2017-03-30T17:36:21 < dongs> where is such thing
2017-03-30T17:36:57 < jadew> https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/74AHCT125.pdf
2017-03-30T17:37:04 < dongs> lol right
2017-03-30T17:37:05 < dongs> but then
2017-03-30T17:37:13 < dongs> i'd need 2
2017-03-30T17:37:25 < dongs> and that shit is huge
2017-03-30T17:38:07 < jadew> you don't need 3 to 5 I think
2017-03-30T17:38:15 < dongs> you are right
2017-03-30T17:38:21 < dongs> but i don't like doing ghetto things
2017-03-30T17:39:21 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/fCDb1Ly
2017-03-30T17:39:28 < dongs> i swear i saw something with DIR pins
2017-03-30T17:39:29 < dongs> before
2017-03-30T17:40:29 < jadew> dongs, there are, but they switch them all
2017-03-30T17:40:58 < dongs> trash
2017-03-30T17:46:56 < dongs> looks like im just gonna ghetto it up with fet + 2R
2017-03-30T17:46:59 < dongs> on both ends
2017-03-30T17:47:00 < dongs> awful
2017-03-30T17:47:10 < jadew> no push pull?
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2017-03-30T17:47:28 < jadew> what baudrate?
2017-03-30T17:47:33 < dongs> 115k?
2017-03-30T17:47:43 < jadew> should work
2017-03-30T17:47:52 < dongs> but so fucking ghetto damn
2017-03-30T17:48:07 < dongs> or amybe just some 1 bit SOT23-5 buffers
2017-03-30T17:48:10 < jadew> the levels on your device are at 3V or the incoming ones?
2017-03-30T17:48:14 < dongs> one off 5V one off 3V
2017-03-30T17:48:19 < jadew> that's what I was thinking
2017-03-30T17:48:20 < dongs> if inm converting im gonna convert both.
2017-03-30T17:49:26 < jadew> I have to go, ttyl
2017-03-30T17:49:28 < dongs> bai
2017-03-30T17:53:26 < dongs> sounds like a XOR thing with one input grounded will work as a buffer
2017-03-30T17:53:49 < dongs> cant find any single bit stuff that is just buffer and not inverter
2017-03-30T17:57:02 < Steffanx> and with both inputs connected?
2017-03-30T17:57:05 < karlp> hrm, might have just had more exti's happening than I thougt :)
2017-03-30T17:57:51 < Steffanx> hah karlp
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2017-03-30T18:12:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2441.jpg
2017-03-30T18:12:40 < englishman> that zuckerbarg video Laurenceb
2017-03-30T18:12:42 < englishman> such cringe
2017-03-30T18:13:45 < Laurenceb> well it was a great moment in internet history
2017-03-30T18:14:36 < englishman> 115k uart over a 1000' roll of cat5?
2017-03-30T18:14:47 < englishman> are tx/rx at least different twisted pairs?
2017-03-30T18:14:47 < Laurenceb> that sounds destined to fail
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2017-03-30T18:14:58 < dongs> englishman: no they're the same twisted pair acutally
2017-03-30T18:15:06 < englishman> additional problems found
2017-03-30T18:15:10 < dongs> lolo
2017-03-30T18:18:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsxdmY37Lfg
2017-03-30T18:20:39 < englishman> wtf
2017-03-30T18:20:43 < englishman> bombing in Saskatoon
2017-03-30T18:20:48 < englishman> nothing ever happens in Saskatoon
2017-03-30T18:21:01 < Laurenceb> it was just a prank bro
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2017-03-30T18:21:16 < englishman> actually the aftermath does look like an oversized bag of dog poop was lit on fire
2017-03-30T18:21:22 < Laurenceb> top kek
2017-03-30T18:21:23 < englishman> not an actual bomb or something
2017-03-30T18:24:25 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZSXav4wI8 hosted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfNO571C7Ko technical
2017-03-30T18:24:34 < Laurenceb> ages to launch still?
2017-03-30T18:24:41 < englishman> is this the reusable dildo
2017-03-30T18:27:00 < Steffanx> Ask your momma...
2017-03-30T18:27:11 < Steffanx> if she still has hers.
2017-03-30T18:28:00 < Thorn> the 1st ever 2nd flight of a falcon 9 1st stage
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2017-03-30T18:38:58 < karlp> getting stuck on SPI RXNE flag set means what, you didn't read something out in time?
2017-03-30T18:39:01 < karlp> sounds odd.
2017-03-30T18:39:13 < englishman> yeah
2017-03-30T18:39:19 < englishman> weird problem
2017-03-30T18:40:11 < karlp> using dumb simple routines that do SPI_DR=x; while not SPI_RXNE; return SPI_DR; not sure how it could ever fuck that up.
2017-03-30T18:40:29 < englishman> same, but while debugging, it does
2017-03-30T18:40:47 < karlp> hrmm, maybe I should try disconnecting the debugger
2017-03-30T18:40:50 < karlp> it's normally just sitting there
2017-03-30T18:40:56 < englishman> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JryOODYy/
2017-03-30T18:40:59 < karlp> then it hangs, ctrl-c and it's like, "waiting on RXNE you"
2017-03-30T18:40:59 < englishman> this is the routine
2017-03-30T18:41:41 < englishman> yeah
2017-03-30T18:41:42 < englishman> oh
2017-03-30T18:41:46 < englishman> are you having this problem too?????
2017-03-30T18:41:52 < englishman> i asked exactly the same thing in here yesterday
2017-03-30T18:41:53 < karlp> I'm doing "the same" without the last lines either
2017-03-30T18:42:01 < Laurenceb> what the hell
2017-03-30T18:42:06 < Laurenceb> I've never seen this
2017-03-30T18:42:10 < englishman> works fine when running without debugger
2017-03-30T18:42:21 < karlp> let me detach the debugger for a bit then and give it a go.
2017-03-30T18:42:34 < Thorn> fuck this shit. I ordered several things from aliexpress for a job. one package never shipped, another package seems to have returned to the seller today
2017-03-30T18:42:45 < Thorn> never had problems with aliexpress sellers before
2017-03-30T18:43:58 < karlp> englishman: whats with the casts and shit?
2017-03-30T18:44:07 < karlp> why can't you just use SPI_->DR = byte?
2017-03-30T18:44:16 < englishman> i never said i was pro
2017-03-30T18:44:22 < karlp> you're not casting in the while checks?
2017-03-30T18:45:21 < englishman> maybe copypaste from hal
2017-03-30T18:45:32 < karlp> hrmm, certainly seems to be working without the debugger.
2017-03-30T18:45:43 < karlp> normally would hav elocked up by now
2017-03-30T18:45:47 < englishman> i know rite
2017-03-30T18:46:15 < englishman> what ide/debugger are you using
2017-03-30T18:46:22 < karlp> reattached openocd, but not gdb, will see if that stays running.
2017-03-30T18:50:36 < karlp> yeah, restarted again a few times, no problems with oocd running collecting trace.
2017-03-30T18:52:21 < Thorn> btw englishman my fale-link arrived. segger software detects v9.4, all seems fine
2017-03-30T18:52:25 < englishman> word!
2017-03-30T18:52:59 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teOq5yIX5vs&t=1159
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2017-03-30T19:33:16 < Laurenceb> reeee
2017-03-30T19:33:52 < Laurenceb> some of my solenoid valves are failing
2017-03-30T19:34:00 < Laurenceb> 160euros each :(
2017-03-30T19:34:40 < Laurenceb> prob need some lube on the o-rings
2017-03-30T19:34:52 < Laurenceb> but dunno what to use
2017-03-30T19:36:16 < Laurenceb> http://ph.parker.com/us/12051/en/x-valve-miniature-pneumatic-solenoid-valve
2017-03-30T19:36:56 < Laurenceb> Up to 25 Million Cycles
2017-03-30T19:37:02 < Laurenceb> lul mine have <1million
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2017-03-30T19:42:24 < englishman> well it does say 'up to' not 'at least'
2017-03-30T19:43:59 < Laurenceb> seems to be ultrasonically welded :-/
2017-03-30T19:44:11 < Laurenceb> wonder if I could blast WD-40 into it...
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2017-03-30T19:44:35 < Laurenceb> or just get china clone for like 1.6 euros
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2017-03-30T19:45:42 < Laurenceb> Parker seem to have the "cost is not a consideration" market sussed
2017-03-30T19:48:38 < sync_> like almost all pneumatic or hydraulic companies
2017-03-30T19:48:46 < ReadError> i want some rotary valves
2017-03-30T19:48:50 < sync_> smc usually is significantly more cost effective
2017-03-30T19:48:51 < ReadError> i think is the term
2017-03-30T19:48:58 < ReadError> like a ball valve with a servo
2017-03-30T19:49:08 < Laurenceb> sync_: yeah
2017-03-30T19:49:18 < Laurenceb> ReadError aiui those are notorious for leaking
2017-03-30T19:49:33 < ReadError> why would they leak more than a normal ballvalve?
2017-03-30T19:49:47 < Laurenceb> erm I meant ball valves
2017-03-30T19:50:05 < Laurenceb> lots of abuse on the o-ring
2017-03-30T19:50:07 < Laurenceb> no homo
2017-03-30T19:50:08 < ReadError> hmm i have many ballvalves in use w/o issues
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2017-03-30T19:50:17 < ReadError> no oring really
2017-03-30T19:50:20 < Laurenceb> guess it depends how many cycles
2017-03-30T19:50:31 < Laurenceb> mine cycle every few seconds 24/7
2017-03-30T19:50:56 < ReadError> well i need some way to adjust output
2017-03-30T19:51:08 < ReadError> only/best option i can think of
2017-03-30T19:54:09 < sync_> needle valve
2017-03-30T19:54:38 < sync_> I mean moog servo valves are stupidly expensive for what they are, but then again they need to be super high precision...
2017-03-30T19:55:40 < Laurenceb> I'm abusing solenoid valves to regulate an air supply
2017-03-30T19:55:47 < Laurenceb> about 4 +-0.1 PSI
2017-03-30T19:56:02 < Laurenceb> but sometimes it has to slew rapidly
2017-03-30T19:56:14 < Laurenceb> like to 1psi in 50ms
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2017-03-30T20:19:59 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/theworldisflat/
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2017-03-30T21:26:05 < englishman> cant wait to upgrade to awesome corsair rgb ram my facebook is gonna be so fast
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2017-03-30T21:27:28 < Steffanx>  \o/
2017-03-30T21:33:02 < ReadError> 64gb or bust
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2017-03-30T21:33:40 < englishman> i already have 64gb now im upgrading to rgb
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2017-03-30T21:35:58 < Laurenceb> http://www.zero2infinity.space/bloon/
2017-03-30T21:36:04 < Laurenceb> ur muh gerd
2017-03-30T21:36:31 < Steffanx> RAM is too expensive atm.
2017-03-30T21:38:18 < Steffanx> Do you have RGB tissues as well englishman? You need that while you fap on your RGB ram -_-
2017-03-30T21:38:21 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/HOLLOWEARTH/
2017-03-30T21:38:32 < englishman> need a resupply of rgb waffel
2017-03-30T21:38:39 < ReadError> I blow rgb loads
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2017-03-30T21:58:10 < Laurenceb> wow
2017-03-30T21:58:18 < Laurenceb> DJI drone just killed some muricans
2017-03-30T22:00:15 < emeb> time to fire up the war machine - invade... whoever.
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2017-03-30T22:03:02 < jadew> Laurenceb, link?
2017-03-30T22:03:24 < Laurenceb> according to twitter...
2017-03-30T22:03:35 < jadew> ah
2017-03-30T22:03:41 < Steffanx> still.. link?
2017-03-30T22:07:40 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/24Raqqa/status/847490243167010816
2017-03-30T22:09:29 < Steffanx> dji? Sounds more like that dongs stuff with afroesc.
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2017-03-30T23:05:07 < ohsix> upgrdman: hurr it's not
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2017-03-30T23:05:27 < ohsix> upgrdman: if you notice, the body goes through the same points as it moves, you just need to interpolaet the body segments on a curve
2017-03-30T23:05:41 < ohsix> but to start you can just make it go in circles
2017-03-30T23:05:47 < ohsix> curves can come later
2017-03-30T23:06:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, what are you talking about?
2017-03-30T23:06:14 < ohsix> wat i'd do at least, before giving up, is seeing if i could get wheels that don't suck on ali
2017-03-30T23:06:18 < ohsix> 18:49 < upgrdman> ohsix, heh, robot snek. looks like more effort than i would commit to   http://i.imgur.com/tf7iakm.gifv
2017-03-30T23:06:57 < ohsix> i need to model servo horn holders, maybe i'll try at one of the segments and we can see if it sux
2017-03-30T23:07:07 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-30T23:07:30 < ohsix> so question about relative risk
2017-03-30T23:07:44 < ohsix> do i buy this assuming it is at least 2Ah https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-4Pcs-Wholesale-18650-rechargeable-batteries-3-7v-5000-mAh-Lithium-li-ion-battery-for-led/32728036529.html
2017-03-30T23:08:02 < ohsix> or do i find one that says 2800-3000mAh at twice the cost, and hope that number is true
2017-03-30T23:08:34 < ohsix> anything less than 2Ah would be useless at any cost
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2017-03-30T23:17:00 < jadew> are you guys aware of any compact 3-channel power supplies where the 3rd channel is a full channel?
2017-03-30T23:18:32 < jadew> like something that's 30V x 3
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2017-03-30T23:23:19 < emeryth> ohsix: just buy from a reputable vapecell source like fasttech.com
2017-03-30T23:23:49 < emeryth> https://www.fasttech.com/products/1420/10010486/2399401-authentic-sanyo-ncr18650ga-3-6v-3500mah
2017-03-30T23:23:59 < ohsix> those sanyos are legit
2017-03-30T23:24:03 < ohsix> know that already, and i might
2017-03-30T23:24:15 < ohsix> but even though the shit is cheap downmarket cuz of vapebros, i can't give them my money
2017-03-30T23:27:00 < emeryth> why
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2017-03-30T23:32:47 < karlp> ohsix: I've got some 18650s on ali/ebay that were advertised as 5Ah+, and some were 1Ah, some were only 500mAh.
2017-03-30T23:33:11 < karlp> no way you could rely on getting 2Ah from a cheap one.
2017-03-30T23:34:30 < ohsix> emeryth: because everyone i've ever met that does it is a total fuckwad
2017-03-30T23:34:58 < ohsix> it would be like donating to some political party i disagree with ;D
2017-03-30T23:35:07 < karlp> product, meet service.
2017-03-30T23:35:10 < karlp> what's the problem?
2017-03-30T23:35:25 < karlp> you think arbitrary ebay seller is any different?
2017-03-30T23:36:07 < ohsix> nah
2017-03-30T23:36:10 < ohsix> sec
2017-03-30T23:36:33 < ohsix> 20$ for one sanyo cell that is probably legit/has capacity on label
2017-03-30T23:36:39 < emeryth> but fasttech is a generic china store
2017-03-30T23:36:50 < ohsix> i want to see what 3$/cell buys
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2017-03-30T23:37:07 < emeryth> $20 for 4 cells
2017-03-30T23:37:22 < ohsix> question is, and i've heard what you've said about the '5ah' cells, what i get for the lowest price
2017-03-30T23:37:50 < emeryth> you will get shit with 100% probability
2017-03-30T23:37:51 < ohsix> emeryth: k
2017-03-30T23:38:07 < ohsix> package contents 4 batteries, case, total piece count 2?
2017-03-30T23:38:08 < emeryth> it's not like the capacities are random
2017-03-30T23:38:32 < ohsix> the suppliers are random
2017-03-30T23:38:52 < ohsix> among them, are ones that are selling legit 18650s with 500mAh capacity
2017-03-30T23:38:56 < emeryth> but no 5000mAh cell is legit
2017-03-30T23:39:08 < ohsix> and some other vendor is buying shrinkwrap and calling them 5Ah
2017-03-30T23:39:11 < ohsix> right
2017-03-30T23:39:31 < ohsix> 3500 is high end and 2600-3000 is mid
2017-03-30T23:40:01 < ohsix> with ebay/china stuff, you can ~always get a refund for fakes
2017-03-30T23:42:03 < ohsix> fwiw in different cell sizes, there aren't many/any? fakes
2017-03-30T23:42:13 < ohsix> vape bros are a big market
2017-03-30T23:42:38 < ohsix> 5$/cell isn't bad
2017-03-30T23:45:53 < ohsix> another thing i'm wondering is how crap teh cells are in 3rd party laptop batteries
2017-03-30T23:48:03 < ohsix> ali has prismatic cells in packs that are really cheap
2017-03-30T23:48:08 < ohsix> might just do that
2017-03-30T23:48:22 < emeryth> they usually have the capacity, but are prone to instant death of single cells
2017-03-30T23:50:24 < emeryth> so after some time you have a battery that instantly shuts off at 20% or worse
2017-03-30T23:52:45 < karlp> "~1,377 km by drone"
2017-03-30T23:52:50 < karlp> umm. thanks mapping service?
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2017-03-30T23:59:32 < ohsix> emeryth: instant death is fine houehoruh
2017-03-30T23:59:47 < ohsix> i'd be taking them out of the housing
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2017-03-31T00:00:09 < ohsix> really, just using the battery case as a vague suggestion that the cells will all be from the same lot
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2017-03-31T00:11:55 < kakimir> so I need to go to sauna with your stroopwaffles and take some nudes with them Steffanx ?
2017-03-31T00:12:08 < Steffanx> I didnt say that.
2017-03-31T00:12:36 < Steffanx> I didnt say it had to include you or any other person
2017-03-31T00:13:23 < kakimir> oh
2017-03-31T00:15:48 < ohsix> another thing i wonder https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Car-DVR-GPS-Antenna-GPS-Module-for-DAB201-G90-GS90A-GS90C-GS98C-GS52D-Dash-Cam/32732458383.html these things are complete gps modules
2017-03-31T00:15:54 < ohsix> gnd, vcc, tx
2017-03-31T00:16:05 < ohsix> at least, i'm pretty sure they are; nobody has cut one apart
2017-03-31T00:16:18 < ohsix> it is a handy envelope/connector, it would be nice to use
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2017-03-31T00:39:55 < Steffanx> Altium noob question: In Altium one can hide a designator in the pcb editor, but how to make them visible again?
2017-03-31T00:46:42 < Peter_M> deselect hide designator/select show designator in hte part properties, unless oyu didnt hide it there?
2017-03-31T00:48:22 < Peter_M> http://documentation.circuitstudio.com/sites/default/files/wiki_attachments/240111/PCB_Dlg-Component_CS.png untick
2017-03-31T00:48:34 < Peter_M> its the same ffor ad
2017-03-31T00:50:00 < Steffanx> oh, I selected the wrong part all the time. It's some solder pad, I selected the pad of the component instead of the compontent itself. Thanks :)
2017-03-31T00:50:02 < Steffanx> fail.
2017-03-31T00:58:56 < englishman> jadew: 3x cheap ass 30v/5a standalone psus
2017-03-31T01:05:08 < jadew> englishman, already got that, but I want something compact to save desk space
2017-03-31T01:05:18 < englishman> stack them vertically.
2017-03-31T01:05:54 < jadew> I saw those itech 6302 ones, which seem to also be rebranded by keithely
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2017-03-31T01:06:28 < jadew> but the 3rd channel is 5V only
2017-03-31T01:06:32 < jadew> *up to
2017-03-31T01:06:45 < Steffanx> perfectly for your 3.3v stuff ;)
2017-03-31T01:07:32 < jadew> yeah, it's okish
2017-03-31T01:10:58 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZSXav4wI8 hosted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfNO571C7Ko technical
2017-03-31T01:11:17 < englishman> wow have i already been here 7h that the stream is starting
2017-03-31T01:11:19 < englishman> fuck this day
2017-03-31T01:12:09 < Steffanx> Thanks for the reminder englishman. Take a waffle.
2017-03-31T01:12:18 < englishman> i had enough thanks
2017-03-31T01:12:22 < englishman> almost 1/2 done
2017-03-31T01:12:34 < Steffanx> Oops
2017-03-31T01:12:37 < englishman> :D
2017-03-31T01:12:52 < Steffanx> you have to share i guess?
2017-03-31T01:13:04 < englishman> affirmative
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2017-03-31T01:13:38 < jadew> I'm gonna get some food, then I think I'll dive into fixing the demo programs on the memory module of my SA
2017-03-31T01:13:46 < jadew> they delete themselves after X runs
2017-03-31T01:14:41 < jadew> (obviously a bug)
2017-03-31T01:14:58 < Steffanx> What SA is that?
2017-03-31T01:15:09 < jadew> old HP SA
2017-03-31T01:15:12 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/xKMC4vT
2017-03-31T01:15:12 < jadew> 8562E
2017-03-31T01:15:47 < jadew> Laurenceb_, bullshit
2017-03-31T01:16:21 < jadew> looks like they're just shopping for a new bed
2017-03-31T01:18:20 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-03-31T01:18:28 < Laurenceb_> space-sex launch coming up
2017-03-31T01:20:05 < Steffanx> Your moms dildo i heard.
2017-03-31T01:20:42 < Steffanx> Osh park even does free delivery to dutchland nowadays? That's new to me.
2017-03-31T01:21:11 < Laurenceb_> not fair :(
2017-03-31T01:21:20 < jadew> lol @ the dildo comment
2017-03-31T01:21:21 < Laurenceb_> tho its prob free here, too lazy to check
2017-03-31T01:21:52 < Steffanx> Probably
2017-03-31T01:22:37 < englishman> hasnt oshpark always had free delivery everywhere
2017-03-31T01:22:50 < englishman> it takes 8 weeks but its free
2017-03-31T01:23:24 < jadew> free to Romania too
2017-03-31T01:23:24 < Steffanx> I hope not.
2017-03-31T01:23:29 < Steffanx> Last time it was like 5 days.
2017-03-31T01:24:38 < jadew> they just remembered to fuel it?
2017-03-31T01:25:02 < englishman> Laurenceb_: this axsem packet handling is shittily documented and even worse example code
2017-03-31T01:25:43 < jadew> it launched
2017-03-31T01:26:16 < Steffanx> not here.
2017-03-31T01:26:20 < jadew> my internet is faster
2017-03-31T01:26:30 < Steffanx> technical stream?
2017-03-31T01:26:34 < jadew> kidding
2017-03-31T01:26:37 < jadew> 30 seconds to go
2017-03-31T01:26:45 < Steffanx> That sounds morel ike it
2017-03-31T01:27:09 < jadew> watching both streams, they're the same now
2017-03-31T01:27:09 < englishman> ka
2017-03-31T01:27:10 < englishman> boom
2017-03-31T01:27:37 < Steffanx> Such negativity
2017-03-31T01:27:44 < jadew> not the same anymore
2017-03-31T01:28:30 < englishman> nice footage
2017-03-31T01:29:49 < Steffanx> They better start roccooning
2017-03-31T01:32:21 < upgrdman> lol wtf kinda of name is "wireless cable" for something that is just a micro-usb cable. fucking idiots.  https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Stick-Wireless-Cable-Amazon-Stick/dp/B01MS1PMML/
2017-03-31T01:32:24 < Steffanx> "Automatic upgrade to Super Swift Service" Such service.
2017-03-31T01:32:41 < Steffanx> Cable not included upgrdman!
2017-03-31T01:32:51 < jadew> upgrdman, not shielded
2017-03-31T01:34:48 < jadew> you can still see the engine on the technical video
2017-03-31T01:35:21 < Steffanx> Landing incoming :)
2017-03-31T01:35:46 < jadew> lol
2017-03-31T01:35:49 < jadew> it froze
2017-03-31T01:36:02 < jadew> haha
2017-03-31T01:36:09 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-03-31T01:36:34 < jadew> magic
2017-03-31T01:36:36 < Steffanx> They faked it.
2017-03-31T01:37:03 < englishman> fake rocket
2017-03-31T01:41:02 < Steffanx> Better apply Laurenceb_: http://www.spacex.com/careers/position/205588
2017-03-31T01:41:26 < Steffanx> Nevermind, forget about it "Must be able to lift up to 25lbs. unassisted."
2017-03-31T01:42:00 < jadew> lol
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2017-03-31T01:59:31 < Prutheus> Hello! I am working with STM32F103C8T6, tried to program this chip with assembly, but my code: https://ghostbin.com/paste/rryfa , which should blink the PD2 - Port, is not working, why not? THe led is not blinking ...
2017-03-31T02:00:28 < Thorn> .equ STACKINIT,   0x20000000
2017-03-31T02:01:29 < Prutheus> ?
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2017-03-31T02:02:36 < Prutheus> Thorn: what do you wanna tell me?
2017-03-31T02:03:21 < Thorn> the stack grows down
2017-03-31T02:03:45 < Thorn> you put the start (max address) at the beginning of ram
2017-03-31T02:08:03 < Thorn> anyway, what is the actual error? does it hardfault?
2017-03-31T02:08:23 < Prutheus> Thorn: hm i know what you mean, how could I fix ? - the led is not blinking, but compiling and flashing works
2017-03-31T02:10:02 < Thorn> does debugging work?
2017-03-31T02:11:39 < Prutheus> never debugged yet ...
2017-03-31T02:16:11 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10430077&cid=54142975
2017-03-31T02:16:45 < Prutheus> Thorn: could you help me without i need to debug please?
2017-03-31T02:17:07 < Prutheus> otherwise i need to go to bed now and can first try working on it tomorrow, I can't try to debug today
2017-03-31T02:18:38 < Prutheus> Thorn: 0/0 pages are written: http://ix.io/pr7
2017-03-31T02:18:43 < Prutheus> is this an error?
2017-03-31T02:19:53 < Thorn> your linker script could be bad
2017-03-31T02:20:12 < Thorn> resulting in an empty binary
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2017-03-31T02:21:36 < kakimir> https://twitter.com/b_ru_ru/status/847368727016259584
2017-03-31T02:21:45 < kakimir> cats32?
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2017-03-31T02:22:04 < Prutheus> Thorn: this is my linker script: http://ix.io/pr8
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2017-03-31T02:48:53 < tpw_rules> how often does stm32 come? i need to bother him about fcc stuff again
2017-03-31T02:52:38 < tpw_rules> do any of you know more? i need help clarifying a datasheet
2017-03-31T02:53:06 < tpw_rules> jadew: i remember you were talking about it
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2017-03-31T02:53:36 < jadew> I don't know much about it, sorry, by now I expect you know more than I do
2017-03-31T02:54:29 < tpw_rules> ah okay
2017-03-31T02:54:35 < tpw_rules> i didn't remember what exactly you knew
2017-03-31T02:56:14 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsvLgDDafus earth stuff
2017-03-31T03:14:17 < dongs> dongul8
2017-03-31T03:20:06 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgGjEkPFJ0U
2017-03-31T03:22:53 < dongs> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17505118_10212154924899163_993774793340305516_o.jpg?oh=7a399fc12f02e1be1b5ef2ffdabe0eb8&oe=596436DB wat
2017-03-31T03:23:02 < dongs> kikemir parking
2017-03-31T03:34:08 < ReadError> funny, I have a secret channel named dongulate
2017-03-31T03:34:14 < ReadError> and you just said that
2017-03-31T03:34:34 < ReadError> are you spying?
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2017-03-31T03:40:45 < stm32> AAAA
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2017-03-31T04:19:20 < stm32> >
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2017-03-31T04:26:36 < dongs> https://i.redd.it/n2vch1onnkoy.jpg
2017-03-31T04:27:18 < stm32> celeron.
2017-03-31T04:27:25 < stm32> also dongs posting reddit wtf dude?
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2017-03-31T04:28:01 < ReadError> lol the fuck
2017-03-31T04:28:04 < ReadError> that case
2017-03-31T04:28:21 < ReadError> not even ATX is it?
2017-03-31T04:28:34 < stm32> waiting for INTERNET READY or MPC1 compliant
2017-03-31T04:34:56 < upgrdman> what case
2017-03-31T04:36:48 < dongs> < dongs> https://i.redd.it/n2vch1onnkoy.jpg
2017-03-31T04:36:50 < dongs> youre late
2017-03-31T04:36:53 < dongs> i was retweeting
2017-03-31T04:37:04 < tpw_rules> those blue leds look out of character
2017-03-31T04:37:22 < tpw_rules> and it doesn't count if the floppy doesn't work
2017-03-31T04:39:23 < upgrdman> dongs, lol i didnt know fuckard bell was still around for the XP era
2017-03-31T04:39:40 < dongs> XP is like 1999
2017-03-31T04:41:48 < dongs> In 1986, Beny Alagem and a group of Israeli investors bought the Packard Bell name from Teledyne[5] and resurrected it as a manufacturer of low-cost personal computers. Their computers were among the first IBM PC compatibles sold in retail chains such as Sears
2017-03-31T04:41:52 < dongs> holy shit
2017-03-31T04:41:59 < dongs> packard bell was owned by jews
2017-03-31T05:01:59 < stm32> and that's the midday senpai news reporting live from jp
2017-03-31T05:02:31 < stm32> I like the fact the japanese are quite racist, hopefully that is a jew free counry
2017-03-31T05:02:34 < stm32> *country
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2017-03-31T05:12:08 < jadew> man.. extracting data from this thing is a PITA
2017-03-31T05:12:38 < jadew> I wonder if I can desolder the SRAM without removing power
2017-03-31T05:13:31 < jadew> I'm just trying to back it up
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2017-03-31T05:14:28 < dongs> wat
2017-03-31T05:14:44 < jadew> I hoped it would be easier, but the control signals go through a small CPLD, so I don't know what input gives which signals
2017-03-31T05:14:56 < jadew> dongs, I'm trying to back up the memory module of the SA
2017-03-31T05:15:24 < jadew> everything is stored in volatile memory
2017-03-31T05:16:15 < jadew> it has a card port, which could take a SRAM kind of thing, where I could copy stuff from the menu, but I'd have to build that or emulate and I don't want to wait a month for the board
2017-03-31T05:17:05 < jadew> and again, I can't control the module directly because the data lines from the connector goes into a CPLD and then into the SRAM, so it's not obvious what I'd need to do to toggle the SRAM data lines
2017-03-31T05:17:27 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hz5FSPgA/colours.png
2017-03-31T05:17:45  * ReadError fires up eclipse
2017-03-31T05:19:29 < Kitlith> jadew, do you have a logic analyzer you could hook up to both sides of the cpld?
2017-03-31T05:20:02 < jadew> Kitlith, I do, but I'd like to avoid debugging it while attached, because it would take a lot of space
2017-03-31T05:20:41 < jadew> and time, I'm sure
2017-03-31T05:20:59 < Kitlith> right
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2017-03-31T05:22:56 < englishman> i can see i'm not the only one who has upgraded to corsair RGB ram
2017-03-31T05:29:31 < stm32> paly an ascii
2017-03-31T05:29:35 < stm32> get bitches
2017-03-31T05:29:49 < englishman> you missed the asskey from yesterday
2017-03-31T05:29:52 < englishman> it was a kitty
2017-03-31T05:30:17 < stm32> play it again
2017-03-31T05:30:28 < stm32> senpai loves pumpers flooding the chan
2017-03-31T05:30:37 < ReadError> Steffanx set +c for no fun
2017-03-31T05:30:45 < stm32> haha owned
2017-03-31T05:30:55 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RT0k9w0Q/mrbitskers.png
2017-03-31T05:31:01 < ReadError> heres a pretty kitty
2017-03-31T05:31:01 < stm32> :3
2017-03-31T05:31:05 < stm32> cat dopers
2017-03-31T05:31:25 < stm32> i found some chopped up weed in a CD deck i serviced yesterday
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2017-03-31T05:33:18 < dongs> stop pumping you cunt
2017-03-31T05:33:25 < ReadError> sorry sir that was ALL
2017-03-31T05:33:34 < ReadError> stm32 wanted to see the kitty
2017-03-31T05:34:30 < englishman> thats not even the whole thing
2017-03-31T05:34:59 < ReadError> man that acid one is so dope
2017-03-31T05:35:02 < ReadError> the colors
2017-03-31T05:35:04 < ReadError> and hitler
2017-03-31T05:35:17 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qSyWpAfs/acidhitler.png
2017-03-31T05:35:36 < stm32> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XlPOGgON/eng.png
2017-03-31T05:35:38 < englishman> amazing ircGL rendering
2017-03-31T05:35:51 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hz5FSPgA/colours.png
2017-03-31T05:35:58 < stm32> anyway
2017-03-31T05:36:01 < stm32> back2stm32
2017-03-31T05:36:03 < ReadError> the level of detail is nuts
2017-03-31T05:36:07 < ReadError> 3.2k lines of it too
2017-03-31T05:36:49 < ReadError> maybe i turn one of these rpi LCD shits into a desktop pumpscroller
2017-03-31T05:37:01 < stm32> stm32 it
2017-03-31T05:37:14 < stm32> github it
2017-03-31T05:37:16 < stm32> clone it
2017-03-31T05:37:20 < stm32> sell it
2017-03-31T05:37:23 < ReadError> no
2017-03-31T05:37:28 < ReadError> not sell
2017-03-31T05:37:45 < ReadError> it will be IoTings
2017-03-31T05:37:56 < ReadError> pulling like/fresh 'skii
2017-03-31T05:38:02 < ReadError> live*
2017-03-31T05:39:03 < dongs> why is kikecad gerber output so fucking terrible
2017-03-31T05:39:24 < ReadError> why does opening and navigating kikecad make me want to kill myself
2017-03-31T05:40:22 < stm32> idk
2017-03-31T05:40:31 < stm32> maybe u r derpressed
2017-03-31T05:40:38 < ReadError> its only kicad tho
2017-03-31T05:40:42 < ReadError> i cant explain it
2017-03-31T05:42:04 < dongs> f like
2017-03-31T05:42:04 < ReadError> stm32: fix your fucking client too btw
2017-03-31T05:42:29 < ReadError> disgraceful
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2017-03-31T05:44:31 < stm32> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2017-03-31T05:45:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/D8oAWID.png like... left side is altidumb output
2017-03-31T05:45:14 < dongs> right side is kikecad
2017-03-31T05:45:45 < dongs> some massive failure in usage of arcs or something i donno
2017-03-31T05:45:51 < stm32> lol
2017-03-31T05:45:53 < dongs> the gerber is much heavier to dispaly same shit
2017-03-31T05:46:06 < dongs> and for some reason they have traces between each via
2017-03-31T05:46:13 < stm32> troll #kicad
2017-03-31T05:46:15 < dongs> even tho they're just connected to gnd
2017-03-31T05:46:21 < dongs> good idea
2017-03-31T05:53:38 < jadew> wtf... http://www.latticesemi.com/~/media/LatticeSemi/Documents/DataSheets/GAL/GAL16V8DataSheet.PDF?la=en
2017-03-31T05:53:50 < jadew> someone thought it's a good idea to add that shit overlay, over all the pages
2017-03-31T05:54:20 < dongs> that its obsolete as fuck?
2017-03-31T05:54:32 < jadew> it is, but I still need to read the datasheet
2017-03-31T05:57:09 < jadew> HP really went to town with this module
2017-03-31T05:58:04 < jadew> if it's installed on some recent versions of the SA, the SA runs the code, otherwise, the module does it
2017-03-31T05:58:15 < dongs>  < cirilo> dongs, no idea - there's another comment that's written and I complained because the latest Gerber spec explicitly
2017-03-31T05:58:18 < dongs>                 forbids that comment, but it was never removed
2017-03-31T05:58:19 < jadew> at least parts of it I think
2017-03-31T05:58:20 < dongs> lmao
2017-03-31T05:58:24 < dongs> fuckin kikecad
2017-03-31T05:58:32 < dongs> we know its broken, we're gonna keep doing it anyway
2017-03-31T06:00:50 < dongs>  < metacollin> dongs: Older versions of CAM350 used by many chinese pcb fabs can't handle arc/circle objects in gerbers, so
2017-03-31T06:00:54 < dongs>                     kicad does the safest thing and avoids using them
2017-03-31T06:00:55 < dongs> awful
2017-03-31T06:00:58 < dongs> lol...
2017-03-31T06:01:19 < dongs> so the assumption is that any gerber generated by kikecad will be sent to the cheapest / shittiest china fab
2017-03-31T06:02:04 < englishman> hahaha
2017-03-31T06:02:32 < englishman> i bet you havent even tried the bom export yet
2017-03-31T06:02:48 < jadew> dongs, you're trying kicad?
2017-03-31T06:03:12 < dongs> englishman: yeah no
2017-03-31T06:03:14 < dongs> jadew: hell no
2017-03-31T06:03:22 < dongs> customers sent some gerbers from kikecad
2017-03-31T06:03:29 < dongs> and its fucking up my pro gerber merging software
2017-03-31T06:03:29 < jadew> got it
2017-03-31T06:04:39 < jadew> man, the protocol on this module is fucked up and I think it's on purpose
2017-03-31T06:04:56 < dongs> < metacollin> I went through and found every. single. instance. of stupid segment/poly count stuff, which is all hard coded by the way, and quadrupled it.
2017-03-31T06:05:00 < dongs> haha
2017-03-31T06:05:01 < jadew> they have a ton of unused pins on the main connector, but they multiplexed 2 of the address bits
2017-03-31T06:05:05 < dongs> hardcoded stuff in opensores software
2017-03-31T06:11:17 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.reddit.com/r/firstworldanarchists/comments/62do64/these_girl_scouts_get_it/
2017-03-31T06:20:56 < jadew> anyone got this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HANTEK-4032L-Digital-Logic-Analyzer-32CH-200K-400MSa-s-USB-PC-2G-DDR2-400MHz-64M-/282384406406
2017-03-31T06:21:38 < dongs> 2gbit sram, really
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2017-03-31T06:21:55 < jadew> it says DDR2
2017-03-31T06:22:25 < jadew> that's deep
2017-03-31T06:22:53 < dongs> get it and let us know how it works
2017-03-31T06:22:58 < dongs> and how shit is software
2017-03-31T06:23:03 < jadew> heh
2017-03-31T06:23:22 < dongs> no transitional logging
2017-03-31T06:23:25 < dongs> thats kinda shit
2017-03-31T06:23:36 < jadew> transitional as in with pauses?
2017-03-31T06:23:45 < dongs> no, as in it only logs transition and time of it
2017-03-31T06:23:54 < dongs> so instead of logging 1000 0's and 1000 1s
2017-03-31T06:23:59 < jadew> ah, I see
2017-03-31T06:24:02 < dongs> it only logs that it changed from 0 to 1 at 0.5ms
2017-03-31T06:24:03 < dongs> or wahtever
2017-03-31T06:24:15 < jadew> so RLE basically
2017-03-31T06:24:43 < jadew> would be weird if it didn't
2017-03-31T06:24:46 < jadew> seems capable
2017-03-31T06:24:51 < dongs> it requires extra work
2017-03-31T06:25:59 < jadew> I don't think I'll find anything similar
2017-03-31T06:27:05 < jadew> I'd like more channels
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2017-03-31T06:40:15 < upgrdman> jadew, although it would be much more expensive, i almost never use discrete log anal'ers anymore
2017-03-31T06:40:23 < upgrdman> MDO is so much nicer for time correlation
2017-03-31T06:41:11 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah, but I kinda need to log a lot of data
2017-03-31T06:41:21 < jadew> I decided to do something else
2017-03-31T06:41:23 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-31T06:41:33 < jadew> I'll build an SRAM emulator
2017-03-31T06:41:40 < upgrdman> we use some DATAQ shit at work for long term logging, but its not high speed
2017-03-31T06:41:46 < jadew> and I'll have the SA backup the contents of the module in that SRAM
2017-03-31T06:42:37 < jadew> not sure how fast this thing is going to be
2017-03-31T06:44:53 < jadew> I'm surprised there aren't any SRAM emulators on ebay
2017-03-31T06:46:16 < jadew> no, what's that?
2017-03-31T06:47:15 < jadew> ah, I can see how that would be useful, but the memory size is very small on this thing
2017-03-31T06:47:26 < jadew> my goal is to get the data out
2017-03-31T06:49:35 < jadew> the biggest problem here is getting access to the IOs, from there on it doesn't really matter
2017-03-31T06:50:16 < jadew> I'll just expose a SRAM interface with an FPGA and rely the data to a an F4
2017-03-31T06:50:35 < jadew> and then I can inspect it over USB
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2017-03-31T06:56:18 < upgrdman> flyback, is read/write latency to "1t sram" constant?
2017-03-31T06:56:53 < jadew> I don't think it can be
2017-03-31T06:59:37 < upgrdman> exactly. so htf does that work
2017-03-31T07:05:14 < upgrdman> k
2017-03-31T07:06:01 < upgrdman> hmm i think my nyxus2 fpga board has some micro PSRAM
2017-03-31T07:06:06 < upgrdman> but long NRND by now
2017-03-31T07:06:17 < upgrdman> nexys2*
2017-03-31T07:20:07 < emeb_mac> those boards have been around a long time
2017-03-31T07:25:35 < upgrdman> yup, i learn verilog on the nexys2
2017-03-31T07:25:55 < upgrdman> and like 4 months after i bought it, digilent discontinued it
2017-03-31T07:25:56 < emeb_mac> thinking about getting an arty
2017-03-31T07:26:07 < upgrdman> and since then they're made and discontinued like 4 or 5 more
2017-03-31T07:26:19 < emeb_mac> yeah, they go through them fast
2017-03-31T07:27:16 < upgrdman> i might get to do some embedded linux shit for work in a year or so
2017-03-31T07:27:21 < upgrdman> that could be fun
2017-03-31T07:27:24 < emeb_mac> true story - I designed this -> http://store.digilentinc.com/pmod-i2s-stereo-audio-output/
2017-03-31T07:27:44 < upgrdman> *thumbs up*
2017-03-31T07:28:00 < emeb_mac> they gave me $500 worth of shit to use my design.
2017-03-31T07:28:23 < upgrdman> design breakout board -> get $500 in wares... not bad
2017-03-31T07:28:35 < emeb_mac> no complaints
2017-03-31T07:28:55 < dongs> emeb_mac: lol
2017-03-31T07:29:00 < dongs> thats like 5 parts on it
2017-03-31T07:29:08 < dongs> you culd even do that in kikecad
2017-03-31T07:29:16 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah, I just lifted the design from the datasheet :)
2017-03-31T07:29:28 < emeb_mac> but I did put it on a board and do a demo design to test it.
2017-03-31T07:30:06 < emeb_mac> and the worst part was talking to their n00b engineer to help him understand it.
2017-03-31T07:31:11 < upgrdman> wtf, digilent is STILL selling board with Spartans on them
2017-03-31T07:31:27 < upgrdman> here, learn on this NRND trash that only works in ISE
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2017-03-31T07:31:50 < emeb_mac> spartan 6 parts are still supported
2017-03-31T07:32:12 < upgrdman> but consider xilinx's history... for how much longer
2017-03-31T07:32:21 < englishman> as long as schools keep buying them
2017-03-31T07:32:32 < emeb_mac> well, they still sell spartan 3 parts, so 6 should be good for a while.
2017-03-31T07:35:28 < emeb_mac> but I wouldn't start a new design with anything less than a 6
2017-03-31T07:36:25 < aandrew> wtf
2017-03-31T07:36:32 < aandrew> target cpu does not support arm mode?
2017-03-31T07:36:45 < aandrew> trying to get a bootloader to work
2017-03-31T07:36:58 < aandrew> the C startup code looks to be arm (nto thumb)
2017-03-31T07:37:25 < aandrew> if I'm single-stepping and I jump to the new program's reset vector and it's on a dword boundary, it works
2017-03-31T07:37:31 < aandrew> but not if I am not single stepping
2017-03-31T07:43:29 < upgrdman> wtf, china's buying Lattice Semiconductor   http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lattice-us-m-a-canyon-bridge-idUSKBN12Y1K5
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2017-03-31T07:44:09 < dongs> the fuck is the difference between AHC and AHCT
2017-03-31T07:45:22 < emeb_mac> T logic uses TTL levels
2017-03-31T07:45:34 < emeb_mac> non-T uses CMOS levels
2017-03-31T07:46:04 < emeb_mac> TTL levels means 0-0.8V = 0, > 2.4V = 1
2017-03-31T07:46:19 < dongs> ya i see thats shit, damn
2017-03-31T07:46:21 < emeb_mac> CMOS the threshold is at VDD/2
2017-03-31T07:46:36 < dongs> AHC is like 3.8V high min
2017-03-31T07:46:39 < dongs> @ 5V
2017-03-31T07:48:43 < emeb_mac> interesting news about Lattice.
2017-03-31T07:49:02 < emeb_mac> soon chinacorp will own everything
2017-03-31T07:49:14 < englishman> well arm is going to the arabs
2017-03-31T07:49:56 < dongs> waht happen to lattice
2017-03-31T07:49:58 < dongs> autism?
2017-03-31T07:50:08 < stm32> china ep2. attack of the clones
2017-03-31T07:50:17 < dongs> i was jsut looking to use some lattice part
2017-03-31T07:50:28 < dongs> their 256bga with pcie hard Ip is about 15 bux
2017-03-31T07:50:31 < dongs> might clone up some boards
2017-03-31T07:50:43 < emeb_mac> dongs: you blocking upgrdman ?
2017-03-31T07:50:51 < dongs> haha nope
2017-03-31T07:50:54 < dongs> i guess i didnt scroll up that far
2017-03-31T07:50:57 < dongs> autism at its best
2017-03-31T07:51:27 < dongs> TECHNOLOGY NEWS | Fri Nov 4, 2016 | 12:56am EDT
2017-03-31T07:51:28 < dongs> Lattice Semiconductor to be bought by China-backed Canyon Bridge
2017-03-31T07:51:33 < dongs> oh this is OLD NEWS
2017-03-31T07:51:40 < dongs> it was pasted here around nov 4 2016
2017-03-31T07:51:42 < upgrdman> and your cum filled ass still didnt know about it
2017-03-31T07:51:43 < dongs> and already discussed
2017-03-31T07:51:48 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-03-31T07:52:15 < dongs> no, i knew about that one, but channel pumper made it sound like this was some kinda v2 acquisition
2017-03-31T07:52:17 < emeb_mac> Lattice seems to be discontinuing the parts I like anyway
2017-03-31T07:52:29 < emeb_mac> at least DK & Mouser don't carry them anymore
2017-03-31T07:52:42 < emeb_mac> same diff for me
2017-03-31T07:52:43 < dongs> so fuck
2017-03-31T07:53:21 < englishman> does that mean all the opensores work towards opensoresing ice40 or whatever has been wasted time
2017-03-31T07:53:26 < dongs> yes
2017-03-31T07:53:31 < dongs> as if it hasnt always been a waste of time
2017-03-31T07:53:45 < dongs> by the time lunix dweebs figure out how to support a piece of hardware in lunix it is long obsolete
2017-03-31T07:53:54 < englishman> case in point
2017-03-31T07:54:00 < dongs> best example is shit like TV tuners
2017-03-31T07:54:07 < dongs> their wiki is full of utterly ancient shit
2017-03-31T07:54:12 < dongs> that hasnt been manufactured for decades
2017-03-31T07:54:16 < englishman> whats a tv tuner
2017-03-31T07:54:28 < englishman> pretty sure cable tv has been dead for decades
2017-03-31T07:54:28 < emeb_mac> haha
2017-03-31T07:54:58 < dongs> what else can I ghetto as a buffer other than XOR gate
2017-03-31T07:55:07 < dongs> xor I can ground one of inputs to do buffer, anythingf else?
2017-03-31T07:55:10 < emeb_mac> R820 opensource stuff works fine.
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2017-03-31T07:55:16 < upgrdman> i remember buying a pcHDTV card a decade or two ago
2017-03-31T07:55:29 < upgrdman> felt so cool using MythTV to record 1080p OTA shows
2017-03-31T07:55:41 < upgrdman> now, lol, why even both
2017-03-31T07:56:01 < englishman> xor is best and you probably have something on hand with needed vih etc
2017-03-31T07:58:12 < dongs> i dont
2017-03-31T07:58:28 < dongs> i need to power with 5V and still read 3.3V logic high as high
2017-03-31T07:58:45 < upgrdman> dont most things do that
2017-03-31T07:58:54 < dongs> not unless its T
2017-03-31T07:58:56 < upgrdman> 5v shits interpretying >3V as high
2017-03-31T07:59:08 < upgrdman> oh is this old 74series aids?
2017-03-31T07:59:12 < dongs> aye
2017-03-31T07:59:15 < upgrdman> ah
2017-03-31T07:59:16 < upgrdman> nm then
2017-03-31T07:59:20 < dongs> NC7ST86M5 might work but its drive current is shit
2017-03-31T07:59:21 < dongs> only 2ma
2017-03-31T08:00:21 < upgrdman> $0.52 for one XOR gate. shit, might as well just use a TSSOP stm32
2017-03-31T08:00:33 < dongs> ya thats bullshit
2017-03-31T08:01:05 < englishman> wat
2017-03-31T08:01:24 < englishman> im using some sc70 that has 2v vih with 5v vcc
2017-03-31T08:01:30 < englishman> not uncommon
2017-03-31T08:01:42 < dongs> i dont wanna use sc70 here
2017-03-31T08:01:49 < dongs> tho i should check
2017-03-31T08:01:50 < dongs> if more common
2017-03-31T08:05:55 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-31T08:06:00 < dongs> sc70 has stock
2017-03-31T08:06:03 < dongs> fuckers
2017-03-31T08:06:06 < dongs> i hate that garbage package
2017-03-31T08:07:19 < englishman> why
2017-03-31T08:07:30 < englishman> works great with a decent footprint
2017-03-31T08:07:32 < aandrew> upgrdman: heh I did the same... except with satellite shit
2017-03-31T08:08:02 < upgrdman> aandrew, ? mcu as gate?
2017-03-31T08:08:09 < dongs> i think hes talkin about pctv
2017-03-31T08:08:12 < upgrdman> o
2017-03-31T08:08:15 < aandrew> yeah mythtv
2017-03-31T08:08:19 < upgrdman> lol cool
2017-03-31T08:08:22 < dongs> i used windows media center
2017-03-31T08:08:33 < dongs> since it actually works
2017-03-31T08:08:43 < aandrew> heh this raid5 -> raid6 change is taking for fucking ever
2017-03-31T08:33:12 < ReadError> hardware raid
2017-03-31T08:33:18 < ReadError> how early 2000s
2017-03-31T08:35:55 < dongs> hardware raid + ntfs 4 lyfe
2017-03-31T08:36:02 < dongs> enjoy your lost lunix data
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2017-03-31T08:39:41 < dongs> k those sc70 gates are like 10c each in samples
2017-03-31T08:39:42 < dongs> godo enough
2017-03-31T08:39:46 < dongs> thanks englishman
2017-03-31T08:40:23 < englishman> almost as much as stm8
2017-03-31T08:40:32 < dongs> killjoy
2017-03-31T08:40:40 < englishman> np
2017-03-31T08:44:51 < emeb_mac> still haven't used up my stash of $0.50 STM32F030s
2017-03-31T08:47:31 < dongs> shit
2017-03-31T08:47:34 < dongs> altidumb crashed
2017-03-31T08:48:12 < dongs> pasted a huge overlay image and its converter thing failed
2017-03-31T08:54:14 < emeb_mac> No afro logo for you
2017-03-31T08:54:35 < dongs> how the fuck ddi ytou know
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2017-03-31T09:14:35 < dongs> god damn i turned on some zoom shit in top left of altidumb by mistake and cant figure out how to get rid of it
2017-03-31T09:15:12 < dongs> oh
2017-03-31T09:15:15 < dongs> fucking insight lens
2017-03-31T09:15:21 < dongs> most.uselses.altidumb.feature.
2017-03-31T09:18:18 < dongs> cool
2017-03-31T09:18:23 < dongs> chrome crashed on dragging between monitors, AGAIN
2017-03-31T09:18:49 < zyp> everything crashing today?
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2017-03-31T09:18:53 < dongs> yeah
2017-03-31T09:22:04 < ABLomas> zoom shit in top left?
2017-03-31T09:22:08 < ABLomas> xD
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2017-03-31T09:36:41 < ohsix> hey fuck you
2017-03-31T09:36:43 < ohsix> er
2017-03-31T09:36:45 < ohsix> ReadError: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/847603402255106049
2017-03-31T09:37:28 < ReadError> psh
2017-03-31T09:38:14 < ohsix> and i don't even follow them anymore
2017-03-31T09:38:18 < ReadError> http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/15100620/congress-fcc-isp-web-browsing-privacy-fire-sale
2017-03-31T09:38:19 < ohsix> fucking rhea butcher retweeted it https://twitter.com/RheaButcher/status/847691562565853184
2017-03-31T09:38:19 < ReadError> redic
2017-03-31T09:39:41 < ohsix> you wanna know what's hyperbolic bullshit that doesn't help? saying that the privacy shit means isps can sell 'your browsing history'
2017-03-31T09:40:01 < ohsix> they can't get your 'browsing history'
2017-03-31T09:40:23 < ohsix> they can get pairs of ip addresses
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2017-03-31T09:41:23 < ohsix> anyways the vpn thing is a dead meme, only bugging you when someoen repeats what i've said olol
2017-03-31T09:46:10 < ohsix> just got back from video games
2017-03-31T09:46:25 < ohsix> birdsketball is great
2017-03-31T09:50:38 < ReadError> whats crazy is their logic
2017-03-31T09:50:51 < ReadError> that them repealing this is atually enhancing our privacy!
2017-03-31T09:51:04 < ReadError> because now we know they will be doing it vs suspecting ^.^
2017-03-31T09:59:41 < ohsix> it's not logic
2017-03-31T09:59:53 < ohsix> it's pulling literally anything out of their ass that would stick
2017-03-31T10:01:51 < upgrdman> ohsix, i get a lot of people commenting on my ras pi vpn video that seem to be setting up a vpn server at their home, thinking it magically hides their web browsing.
2017-03-31T10:02:24 < upgrdman> like they setup a ras pi in their living room, and connect their desktop to it, and now shits private, because magic and stuff
2017-03-31T10:02:36 < dongs> haha retards
2017-03-31T10:02:49 < dongs> pi owners are the worst gullible retards ever
2017-03-31T10:03:07 < dongs> $x for reaspberrypi = instant dickstarter cash
2017-03-31T10:03:12 < upgrdman> mhmm
2017-03-31T10:03:26 < dongs> SUCK YOUR OWN DICK WITH RASPBERRY PI
2017-03-31T10:03:31 < dongs> [ buy now ]
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2017-03-31T10:03:48 < upgrdman> ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney.jpg
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2017-03-31T10:10:24 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice
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2017-03-31T10:10:49 < ohsix> upgrdman: knowing that people are dumb as fuck is a better argument for being in the vpn business, than anything i've heard to be a customer of one
2017-03-31T10:11:27 < ohsix> howru
2017-03-31T10:11:43 < ohsix> i got some of my aliexpress wirez, all bundled in one bag, over a pound (1.80$ worth olol)
2017-03-31T10:12:02 < ohsix> i have too many now
2017-03-31T10:12:28 < upgrdman> anyone know what kinda of display this is? gaps look too small or normal 7seg    https://i.imgur.com/zqKDSr2.jpg
2017-03-31T10:12:59 < dongs> lol
2017-03-31T10:13:07 < dongs> thats very ancient
2017-03-31T10:13:52 < upgrdman> i know
2017-03-31T10:13:55 < upgrdman> 60s or 70s
2017-03-31T10:14:01 < upgrdman> but wut is it... 7seg?
2017-03-31T10:14:05 < dongs> no
2017-03-31T10:14:50 < dongs> ya thats hamilton pulsar
2017-03-31T10:14:51 < dongs> its some kinda led shit
2017-03-31T10:14:57 < sync_> probably some hp shit
2017-03-31T10:16:02 < dongs> http://www.pulsarledtime.com/images/D/PLT-1-01.gif
2017-03-31T10:16:22 < ohsix> hm i got way too much in this bag, i think they made a mistake
2017-03-31T10:16:48 < upgrdman> dongs, so its just a cunt loads of little LEDs making each "segment" ?
2017-03-31T10:16:57 < ohsix> they bundled 3 orders together, then accidentially sent one more of the same order
2017-03-31T10:17:20 < dongs> maybe , or just long leds in your pic. anyway, its something ancient so who knows
2017-03-31T10:19:05 < dongs> http://www.crazywatches.pl/images/upload/led/pulsar902calculatorled2.jpg
2017-03-31T10:19:41 < dongs> http://webrazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/pulsar.png 1975, pro
2017-03-31T10:19:59 < dongs> maybe its something nutty like nixie thing
2017-03-31T10:20:03 < dongs> where each digit is a stack of stuff
2017-03-31T10:20:30 < upgrdman> found a keyboard with even more fucked up keys than PeterM's
2017-03-31T10:20:31 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/wi6wuOf.jpg
2017-03-31T10:20:44 < upgrdman> who the fuck things "1!" looks good
2017-03-31T10:20:50 < upgrdman> etc
2017-03-31T10:21:09 < ohsix> here's the seller that fucked up and sent lots extra https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1lot-40pcs-10cm-2-54mm-1pin-1p-1p-male-to-female-jumper-wire-Dupont-cable-for/32689210461.html
2017-03-31T10:21:12 < ohsix> if you need some jumper wires
2017-03-31T10:21:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: ^
2017-03-31T10:21:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, thx im good tho. decent to go the quality route and bought some gold plated shitz to make my own quality jumper wires
2017-03-31T10:22:06 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-31T10:22:14 < upgrdman> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/205089-1/?qs=Na0UTBZBZeAI2NODpwHFng%3D%3D
2017-03-31T10:22:20 < upgrdman> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/205090-1/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduhO6tWC8P2RfE8VjFa8EPHkJhnIb115w0s%3d
2017-03-31T10:22:25 < dongs> ~amp~ in url
2017-03-31T10:22:26 < dongs> warning
2017-03-31T10:22:37 < ohsix> i was sick of putting them all away, got enough to lose for months
2017-03-31T10:22:38 < upgrdman> so like $1.20 per jumper wire, but whatever, if they last im happy
2017-03-31T10:22:41 < ohsix> gonna put them in a big bag
2017-03-31T10:23:14 < ohsix> it's seriously over a pound of wire, they messed up lul
2017-03-31T10:27:59 < Prutheus> Hello! I am working with STM32F103C8T6, tried to program this chip with assembly, but my code: https://ghostbin.com/paste/rryfa , which should blink the PD2 - Port, is not working, why not? THe led is not blinking ...
2017-03-31T10:28:08 < dongs> > with assembly
2017-03-31T10:28:10 < dongs> what the fuck?
2017-03-31T10:28:37 < Prutheus> yeah wanna use assembly
2017-03-31T10:29:30 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: I suggest you first get a minimal C example code working on the board
2017-03-31T10:29:43 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: then you can step-by-step through it on assembly level
2017-03-31T10:29:53 < ohsix> cmsis comes with assembly startup / irq table
2017-03-31T10:29:55 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: then you can fix your assembly example.
2017-03-31T10:30:17 < ohsix> hm
2017-03-31T10:30:22 < ohsix> that's not bad looking
2017-03-31T10:30:59 < ohsix> i should know offhand if apb2 enables the right thing, and what the gpio regs do, but i don't
2017-03-31T10:31:00 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: 1st question: do you already know my mistake? 2nd question: i have minimal c script, let me have a look
2017-03-31T10:31:14 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: no, it's not obvious to me
2017-03-31T10:31:24 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: hm
2017-03-31T10:32:29 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: also, you should probably just stop the board and perform the register writes manually (in gdb that would be "set *(uint32_t*)0x4001140C = 0" etc
2017-03-31T10:32:56 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: and check the values with "p/x *(uint32_t*)0x4001140C"
2017-03-31T10:33:15 < ohsix> reference is happening
2017-03-31T10:33:44 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: i don't understand
2017-03-31T10:33:49 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: what exactly?
2017-03-31T10:33:56 < Prutheus> Why I should do that
2017-03-31T10:34:03 < dongs> i dont get it
2017-03-31T10:34:16 < dongs> wehre in your loop are you c hanging value of GPIOD_ODR
2017-03-31T10:34:18 < dongs> in every loop?
2017-03-31T10:34:21 < dongs> i.e. what would be blinking
2017-03-31T10:34:29 < ohsix> loool bit 6 is called IOPEEN
2017-03-31T10:34:39 < dongs> oh ,r2 and r3
2017-03-31T10:34:40 < dongs> whatever man
2017-03-31T10:34:43 < dongs> why teh fuck are you even wasting time
2017-03-31T10:34:50 < ohsix> Bit 6 IOPEEN: IO port E clock enable
2017-03-31T10:35:02 < Prutheus> ohsix: bit  5 is port D, and i am setting bit 5
2017-03-31T10:35:08 < ohsix> Prutheus: you're enabling port e
2017-03-31T10:35:09 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: do ensure you're writing right values to the right registers and that the result is what you expect. And it's much faster and easier to experiment in gdb than to flash a new binary every time to try things, and you also get feedback, as you can read the registers.
2017-03-31T10:35:26 < ohsix> k
2017-03-31T10:35:58 < zyp> Prutheus, overwriting the entire RCC_APB2ENR seems a bit silly, normally you'd read the reg, flip the bit and write it back
2017-03-31T10:36:11 < Prutheus> ohsix: it is 0 1 2 3 4 5 = 100000 = 0x20
2017-03-31T10:36:54 < Prutheus> zyp: i can or it , okay
2017-03-31T10:36:59 < ohsix> when you're using open drain output can you set MODE to 1?
2017-03-31T10:37:02 < dongs> zyp, tehres nothing useful in apb2enr tho
2017-03-31T10:37:08 < dongs> not anything that would break his shit anyway
2017-03-31T10:37:15 < zyp> Prutheus, anyway, shouldn't port D be bit 4, not 5?
2017-03-31T10:37:22 < dongs> #define RCC_APB2Periph_GPIOD             ((uint32_t)0x00000020)
2017-03-31T10:37:40 < dongs> AFIO is bit0
2017-03-31T10:37:57 < Prutheus> in refenrence sheet it is bit 5
2017-03-31T10:38:01 < zyp> oh, right, 1 is reserved
2017-03-31T10:38:15 < Prutheus> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/59/b9/ba/7f/11/af/43/d5/CD00171190.pdf/files/CD00171190.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00171190.pdf#120
2017-03-31T10:38:33 < dongs> are you using lunix?
2017-03-31T10:38:40 < dongs> #120 to go to page never works in pdf links
2017-03-31T10:38:52 < Prutheus> linux, yes
2017-03-31T10:38:53 < Prutheus> xD
2017-03-31T10:38:59 < ohsix> is this an idiom? there's enough hands on this dick, you don't need my help
2017-03-31T10:39:09 < dongs> can't say im too surprised
2017-03-31T10:39:12 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-03-31T10:39:16 < aandrew> enough hands on this dick
2017-03-31T10:39:22 < Prutheus> dongs: wtf?
2017-03-31T10:39:37 < Prutheus> ohsix: what d oyou mean with setting mode to 1 ?
2017-03-31T10:39:42 < ohsix> Prutheus: nothing, misread
2017-03-31T10:39:50 < ohsix> if these guys get bored i'll read some more
2017-03-31T10:39:54 < ohsix> don't know offhand either
2017-03-31T10:40:32 < Prutheus> ohsix: wanna help me? you seems to be most interested, we can go on in private, i really want help and no stupid comments
2017-03-31T10:40:45 < dongs> haha
2017-03-31T10:40:49 < dongs> Prutheus: RIP your project
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2017-03-31T10:41:34 < ohsix> these guys are helping you
2017-03-31T10:41:41 < ohsix> at least doing the same thing i would
2017-03-31T10:41:54 < Prutheus> dongs is just flaming me
2017-03-31T10:41:58 < zyp> Prutheus, I checked your register writes, they look sane to me
2017-03-31T10:42:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> The hackaday post on the blue pills. Thoughts?
2017-03-31T10:42:22 < zyp> so your problem is probably elsewhere, maybe you're faulting
2017-03-31T10:42:34 < ohsix> what's left is: is the led hooked up to come on with pull up or down, or is it jumping into the exception vectors
2017-03-31T10:42:37 < Prutheus> zyp: faulting what do you mean by that?
2017-03-31T10:42:38 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: link, since almost nobody here reads that shit
2017-03-31T10:42:46 < ohsix> agree with dongs
2017-03-31T10:42:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> http://hackaday.com/2017/03/30/the-2-32-bit-arduino-with-debugging/
2017-03-31T10:42:48 < ohsix> 2much noise
2017-03-31T10:43:01 < zyp> Prutheus, crashing
2017-03-31T10:43:03 < Jak_o_Shadows> How to get a st-link, and debug your arduino code
2017-03-31T10:43:14 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: haha
2017-03-31T10:43:16 < dongs> waht
2017-03-31T10:43:20 < dongs> those boards dont have stlink on them
2017-03-31T10:43:23 < Prutheus> zyp: how could i figure this out?
2017-03-31T10:43:30 < ohsix> not bad / old, but them using st-link is funny
2017-03-31T10:43:30 < dongs> step your fucking code?
2017-03-31T10:43:31 < zyp> Prutheus, debugger
2017-03-31T10:43:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> No, it's some guy saying buy a st-link
2017-03-31T10:43:44 < Prutheus> zyp: can i pm you?
2017-03-31T10:43:53 < ohsix> Prutheus: turn the LED on in the exception handlers
2017-03-31T10:44:11 < zyp> Prutheus, nah, you can keep it here
2017-03-31T10:44:16 < ohsix> if the LED comes on -> crashed, if it blinks, it's working
2017-03-31T10:44:33 < ohsix> you'll probably need a debugger to easily find out what exception it is tho
2017-03-31T10:44:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> The comments are pretty much: Don't use arduino, use literally any other one
2017-03-31T10:44:56 < Prutheus> zyp: never used a debugger yet, how can i do that?
2017-03-31T10:45:10 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: shit's fine
2017-03-31T10:45:13 < zyp> Prutheus, how are you flashing the board? through uart?
2017-03-31T10:45:24 < Prutheus> stlinkv2 SWD
2017-03-31T10:45:28 < dongs> maybe hes bitbanging SWD
2017-03-31T10:45:32 < dongs> with toggle switches
2017-03-31T10:45:35 < dongs> thats why his shit neesd to be in asm
2017-03-31T10:45:35 < zyp> Prutheus, which software
2017-03-31T10:45:41 < dongs> so it takes quicker
2017-03-31T10:45:54 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: you can just use it as a thing that builds shit for you and flashes it, when the wiring gpio stuff or the timer setup or anything doesn't work for you, you just go do it with the registers
2017-03-31T10:46:08 < Prutheus> zyp: nothing, just stflash
2017-03-31T10:46:23 < zyp> okay, look into openocd first then
2017-03-31T10:46:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> ohsix, the IDE is pretty damn terrible though.
2017-03-31T10:46:36 < ohsix> sure
2017-03-31T10:46:43 < ohsix> but everything is terrible
2017-03-31T10:46:51 < dongs> retarduino IDE is fucking awful
2017-03-31T10:46:53 < zyp> Prutheus, openocd will talk to your stlink, and then gdb can talk to openocd
2017-03-31T10:47:24 < zyp> and in gdb you'll be able to check the actual status of the cpu and step through your code instruction by instruction
2017-03-31T10:47:58 < zyp> or even read and write memory addrs like PaulFertser suggested
2017-03-31T10:48:05 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: someone did all the hard work to target rust on the stm32, if you're looking for something interesting, it could be that
2017-03-31T10:48:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> aha. At this stage i'm mor einterested in working than interesting :P
2017-03-31T10:48:44 < ohsix> but rust is cool! :p
2017-03-31T10:49:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> So is a working alarm clock!
2017-03-31T10:49:23 < Prutheus> zyp: i have openocd launched now and it is connected
2017-03-31T10:49:39 < ohsix> speaking of arduino incidentally making things much easier, esp8266
2017-03-31T10:49:55 < ohsix> the original toolchain is a fucking vm, or a few hours of dicking around to make your own
2017-03-31T10:50:03 < Prutheus> zyp: what should i do now?
2017-03-31T10:50:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> That's true
2017-03-31T10:50:16 < ohsix> arduino shit thing downloads the toolchain and a bunch of stuff, and you can call the espressif sdk stuff at will
2017-03-31T10:50:32 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: for sure since you're in this channel, you're already using stm32 right
2017-03-31T10:50:37 < zyp> Prutheus, google how to use gdb with openocd and stlink :)
2017-03-31T10:50:39 < Jak_o_Shadows> yup
2017-03-31T10:50:49 < zyp> Prutheus, you should be able to find some guides
2017-03-31T10:51:07 < dongs> lunix dweebs love to spread knowledge in teh way of outdated man pages
2017-03-31T10:51:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: OpenOCD has an official GNU Info User Manual, not a shitty man page ;)
2017-03-31T10:51:49 < ohsix> lool i got a card about being a member of a class action lawsuit over some cellphone shit
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2017-03-31T10:52:25 < dongs> i am not sure if thats better or worse, last time I looked, gnu info browser was fucking terrible
2017-03-31T10:52:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: and btw it's maintained along with the source code, so it's supposed to be up-to-date
2017-03-31T10:52:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> Wait, is Prutheus on linux?
2017-03-31T10:52:49 < PaulFertser> texinfo also generates HTML documentation, so you can use any HTML browser instead.
2017-03-31T10:53:06 < Prutheus> zyp, i am in gdb now, how to use it?
2017-03-31T10:53:17 < dongs> methinks this guy is a troll
2017-03-31T10:53:41 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: "mon reset halt" "stepi" "stepi" "reg" "stepi" "reg" etc
2017-03-31T10:53:44 < ohsix> hrm
2017-03-31T10:54:00 < ohsix> class counsel estimates amount of cash is 200-350 per class action respondent
2017-03-31T10:54:04 < ohsix> cuz i got a phone call
2017-03-31T10:54:41 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: how to select the correct target in gdb?
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2017-03-31T10:54:56 < Jak_o_Shadows> YOU CAN SHORTEN MONITOR TO MON?
2017-03-31T10:54:59 < ohsix> https://johnsontcpasettlement.com/
2017-03-31T10:55:19 < Prutheus> ahh got connection to openocd
2017-03-31T10:55:28 < Prutheus> ok halted it
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2017-03-31T10:58:12 < PaulFertser> And you can shorten stepi to si :)
2017-03-31T10:58:42 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: recommended way: tar ext :3333
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2017-03-31T11:00:23 < Prutheus> first stepi is going to line 25, mov r0, 0x20
2017-03-31T11:00:43 < Prutheus> reg is an unknown command
2017-03-31T11:01:18 < ohsix> heh if the claim numbers are sequential, i'm getting 12k$ if nobody else responds :D
2017-03-31T11:01:45 < ohsix> i get fucking class action papers and other legal shit from crazy stuff
2017-03-31T11:02:02 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: oh, sorry, it's "r", not "reg"
2017-03-31T11:02:09 < PaulFertser> "i r"
2017-03-31T11:02:11 < ohsix> i got a 500 page book from some shit SGI was doing back when they existed
2017-03-31T11:02:13 < PaulFertser> "info registers"
2017-03-31T11:02:28 < PaulFertser> I would type it properly in GDB prompt, not sure why I failed on IRC ;)
2017-03-31T11:03:29 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: what should i examine now?
2017-03-31T11:03:42 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: "i r", then si, then "i r" again etc.
2017-03-31T11:03:51 < PaulFertser> To see what exactly your code does and how it affects GPIO state.
2017-03-31T11:06:24 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: at the right site of the registers addresses, there should be the content, e.g. 0x300 etc right?
2017-03-31T11:06:36 < PaulFertser> Prutheus: yes
2017-03-31T11:07:28 < Prutheus> okay it seems that the values are not written correct, how can i display them as hex in "i r"
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2017-03-31T11:10:06 < Prutheus> PaulFertser: the value of RCC_APB2ENR gets not 0x20: http://ix.io/prY
2017-03-31T11:10:44 < Prutheus> > better to read: https://ghostbin.com/paste/vy7uh
2017-03-31T11:12:29 < zyp> Prutheus, keep in mind that the instructions you're looking at in lines 1 and 21 of your paste are not executed yet
2017-03-31T11:13:05 < zyp> i.e. the first register dump is before the str, the second register dump is after the str, before the ldr
2017-03-31T11:13:45 < Prutheus> yes, but the second register view is after str r0, [r6] gets executed, so in r6 should be value 0x20 ?
2017-03-31T11:13:58 < zyp> of course not
2017-03-31T11:14:15 < Prutheus> ?
2017-03-31T11:14:22 < zyp> you're not storing 0x20 to r6, you're storing 0x20 to the memory address contained in r6
2017-03-31T11:14:31 < Prutheus> yes
2017-03-31T11:14:43 < zyp> so that instruction doesn't change r6
2017-03-31T11:14:43 < Prutheus> which is the most right column in register view or not?
2017-03-31T11:14:52 < zyp> not
2017-03-31T11:15:05 < Prutheus> oh okay, then all is fine, how could i check what is in the registers?
2017-03-31T11:15:07 < zyp> right column is decimal view of the contents, middle column is hex view
2017-03-31T11:15:13 < ohsix> dongs: https://mongoose-os.com/ this might be on the amazon buttons
2017-03-31T11:15:14 < zyp> memory, you mean
2017-03-31T11:15:20 < Prutheus> yeah
2017-03-31T11:15:23 < zyp> x/wx 0x40021018
2017-03-31T11:15:41 < zyp> (examine, word, hex, memory addr)
2017-03-31T11:16:00 < Prutheus> ty
2017-03-31T11:16:16 < zyp> look up examine in the gdb manual for more usages
2017-03-31T11:17:24 < Prutheus> i am in my loop with gdb, how can i automatically let gdb step through all countdowns?
2017-03-31T11:21:36 < Prutheus> okay, my program never crashes
2017-03-31T11:22:42 < Prutheus> and all reg operations writes correct, so why is the led not going on?
2017-03-31T11:22:43 < zyp> time to examine all the registers you're using then :)
2017-03-31T11:26:32 < zyp> hmm, if CRL reads back 0x300 and ODR reads back 0x4, I don't see how the led can be off, assuming it's hooked up right
2017-03-31T11:26:51 < zyp> maybe you'll have to check your wiring
2017-03-31T11:27:08 < zyp> got the led polarity wrong or something stupid like that perhaps?
2017-03-31T11:30:50 < Jak_o_Shadows> do yourself a vaour, buy a logic analyzer
2017-03-31T11:33:41 < ohsix> 5$ ones!
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2017-03-31T11:34:20 < dongs> you cant use logic analyzers in lunix
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2017-03-31T11:44:59 < Steffanx> No sigrok doesnt work.
2017-03-31T11:45:24 < Steffanx> Neither does saleae logic
2017-03-31T11:45:42 < dongs> wouldnt really consider either thing 'pro'
2017-03-31T11:45:58 < dongs> make:r grade hardware
2017-03-31T11:46:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> yeah
2017-03-31T11:46:20 < Jak_o_Shadows> but still, that's annoying
2017-03-31T11:46:39 < Steffanx> Nothing wrong with the better saleaes with usb 3.0
2017-03-31T11:47:06 < dongs> other than the price?
2017-03-31T11:47:15 < dongs> if their software wasnt absolute shit I could see payingh money for it
2017-03-31T11:47:21 < dongs> but their hardware is shit AND their software is shit
2017-03-31T11:47:23 < dongs> so why pay them>?
2017-03-31T11:49:05 < Prutheus> zyp: so my code should be completely right?
2017-03-31T11:49:28 < zyp> completely is a strong word
2017-03-31T11:49:37 < zyp> I'd say "it should be working"
2017-03-31T11:50:08 < Steffanx> It least i know who says it dongs :P
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2017-03-31T11:53:59 < Prutheus> zyp, can i now pm you please
2017-03-31T11:54:35 < zyp> are you going to tell me something you want to keep secret from the rest of the channel?
2017-03-31T11:55:29 < dongs> top secret hot chats
2017-03-31T11:56:31 < Prutheus> no, first an other question: the led is rotated on the circuit - it is alltimes connected to 3V and the PD2 must pull it down to gnd, so what mode must i use?
2017-03-31T11:56:39 < Ghostbird> Hey guys, I have an example that's supposed to run on an STM32L082 and uses RTC_Alarm_IRQn to wake up.
2017-03-31T11:56:39 < Ghostbird> However, RTC_Alarm_IRQn is not defined in stm32l082xx.h
2017-03-31T11:56:39 < Ghostbird> Does it not exist for the STML32L082? Or is the definition simply missing from my CMSIS v1.71 package?
2017-03-31T11:56:56 < Ghostbird> *v1.7.1
2017-03-31T11:57:17 < dongs> CMSIS is on 5.0 now
2017-03-31T11:59:28 < Prutheus> zyp: any idea?
2017-03-31T12:00:08 < zyp> Prutheus, same mode, it's just that it's on when the bit in ODR is 0 and off when it's 1
2017-03-31T12:00:28 < Prutheus> ehm okay, but why is it not blinking then ... i need to analyze again
2017-03-31T12:00:45 < zyp> Ghostbird, try checking the L082 RM, interrupt chapter should have a list of all IRQs
2017-03-31T12:01:25 < dongs> RTC alarm is a pin only on Lxx
2017-03-31T12:01:27 < dongs> doesn't haev an IRQ
2017-03-31T12:01:31 < dongs> seems its a thing on F4
2017-03-31T12:02:10 < dongs> o wait
2017-03-31T12:02:12 < Prutheus> zyp, with PA2 it works
2017-03-31T12:02:13 < dongs> they're routed to exti
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2017-03-31T12:02:43 < dongs> Ghostbird: RM0377 page 479, 'rtc interrupts'
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2017-03-31T12:25:38 < PaulFertser> Got 4 new "bluepills". Each doesn't have the micro-usb connector secured at all, and 3 have the signal pins misaligned so it barely works.
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2017-03-31T12:27:44 < ohsix> nice
2017-03-31T12:27:55 < Ghostbird> dongs: Thx, I think I need RM0376 instead (RM0377 is for the STML0x1x AFAIK). I've found the section on page 616. From there I've clicked through to EXTI register on page on page 286, but I don't understand how the values there help me.
2017-03-31T12:27:55 < Ghostbird> From the EXTI lines connections table on page 285 it seems that the RTC alarm is mapped on EXTI line 17.
2017-03-31T12:27:55 < Ghostbird> Which means that I should use a mask of 0x1<<17 I think. But how do I use that?
2017-03-31T12:27:55 < Ghostbird> The example uses a function:
2017-03-31T12:27:55 < Ghostbird> uint32_t HAL_NVIC_GetPendingIRQ(IRQn_Type IRQn);
2017-03-31T12:27:56 < Ghostbird> Which assumes that the IRQn exists. I'll have to use something else.
2017-03-31T12:27:56 < Ghostbird> Does anyone have an idea where I should start lookign?
2017-03-31T12:27:58 < Ghostbird> *looking?
2017-03-31T12:28:02 < ohsix> what listing did you order them from? i've got some i should get any day now from ali
2017-03-31T12:28:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> The 3 i've got are all fine. Well, one had to have a resistor soldered.
2017-03-31T12:28:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> for the USB.
2017-03-31T12:28:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> Qualitys gonna go down
2017-03-31T12:28:16 < ohsix> the 10k thing?
2017-03-31T12:28:39 < ohsix> mine had the 'wrong' resistor for r10 but it worked fine in all the shit i plugged it into
2017-03-31T12:29:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> TBH, for two of them I just checked if it worked
2017-03-31T12:29:55 < Jak_o_Shadows> The first might have worked, might not. Wasn't gonna bugger arond with that being a potential problem when just starting USB
2017-03-31T12:33:59 < zyp> dongs, hmm, how much do you think a 250x250mm 3mm thick pcb will cost?
2017-03-31T12:34:16 < ohsix> 1 million
2017-03-31T12:34:43 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: keep track of where you get crappy ones from
2017-03-31T12:34:56 < zyp> reading a discussion about some 3d printer hotbed clones, and they're saying they'll sell them for $90/ea, so I'm wondering how much it'll actually cost to make
2017-03-31T12:35:10 < ohsix> i'm wondering if i'm unlucky or it's not a real problem, i haven't had ones with problems people have said are problems
2017-03-31T12:35:45 < ohsix> zyp: the ones i've seen don't use an etched pcb, but a silicone mat
2017-03-31T12:36:07 < zyp> ohsix, that's besides the point
2017-03-31T12:36:09 < ohsix> er, the ones i use also has that
2017-03-31T12:36:12 < ohsix> sure
2017-03-31T12:36:21 < ohsix> there are problems with delaminations and shit w/ pcb heaters
2017-03-31T12:36:37 < ohsix> rather than just say 'pcb suxx', anecdote + something you probably already knew \m/
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2017-03-31T12:37:38 < ohsix> i don't know anything about the glues or materials they keep the copper on with, some suck bad and some are great, but visibly i can't tell they were any different
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2017-03-31T12:40:17 < zyp> ohsix, well, this discussion in particular is about clones of the prusa mk42 hotbed, and I'm just interested in knowing how much they are overpriced at $90, not alternatives
2017-03-31T12:41:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> I've got all clones
2017-03-31T12:43:06 < ohsix> zyp: word
2017-03-31T12:45:31 < ohsix> i need to figure outsome of those costs for some junk too
2017-03-31T12:46:54 < ohsix> http://pcbshopper.com/ this can search a bunch of pcb producers, nice
2017-03-31T12:47:08 < ohsix> pcb thickness maxes out at 2mm tho
2017-03-31T12:47:58 < ohsix> huh easyeda is cheap
2017-03-31T12:48:10 < ohsix> pal uses it because it is fast/quick for hacks, but i didn't know about the price
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2017-03-31T14:01:59 < dongs> zyp, thickness of hotbed isn't the thing, in our 3d dicker use glass plate and like 0.8mm thin pcb under it
2017-03-31T14:02:07 < dongs> if you just use FR4 as hotbed the leveling is garbage
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2017-03-31T14:04:08 < dongs> but local 3mm thick pcb would be super expensive
2017-03-31T14:04:14 < dongs> if anything because of film cost at 250x250 size
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2017-03-31T14:09:35 < Steffanx> You a 3D printer? Im surprised. As the quality of the printer is still (using your words) Shit.
2017-03-31T14:10:04 < Ghostbird> dongs: Apparently my issue was really simple. There was a header available that did:
2017-03-31T14:10:04 < Ghostbird> #define RTC_Alarm_IRQn RTC_IRQn
2017-03-31T14:10:04 < Ghostbird> Which solved my issue.
2017-03-31T14:13:28 < dongs> Ghostbird: i figured you'd notice that by reading the reference manual
2017-03-31T14:13:44 < dongs> or stm32lxxx.h header file
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2017-03-31T14:23:06 < dongs> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/31/authorities-install-penis-seat-mexican-public-transport/ wtf
2017-03-31T14:25:12 < Steffanx> april fooool.
2017-03-31T14:25:14 < Steffanx> s
2017-03-31T14:25:19 < dongs> oh
2017-03-31T14:25:22 < dongs> its that time eh
2017-03-31T14:25:23 < dongs> damn
2017-03-31T14:26:03 < Steffanx> Jappies dont do that uh?
2017-03-31T14:26:10 < BrainDamage> they are retarded tought, their own article date is set at 31 march
2017-03-31T14:26:17 < dongs> heh, intersting. TI's datasheets for sn74ahct1g86 and sn74lvc1g86 specifically list them to use for up/down voltage shifting
2017-03-31T14:26:37 < dongs> their 'application information' is exactly that
2017-03-31T14:26:54 < dongs> ahct for 3.3V->5V and LVC for 5V>3.3V
2017-03-31T14:32:11 < Steffanx> That happens all the time BrainDamage.. its no longer the first of april. They publish the joke even a week before it and then on the first of april they say "April fools" -_-
2017-03-31T14:35:23 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIDMio6r-To#t=1m02s
2017-03-31T14:36:00 < akawolf> dongs: wow! do you using that, right?
2017-03-31T14:36:07 < dongs> yes! its absolutely amaze
2017-03-31T14:36:11 < dongs> written by Steffanx
2017-03-31T14:36:15 < akawolf> I think so also
2017-03-31T14:36:22 < akawolf> it's wonderful sw
2017-03-31T14:38:48 < zyp> dongs, the prusa thing is using some thinner sheet on top of the pcb instead of glass
2017-03-31T14:38:58 < dongs> sure
2017-03-31T14:39:11 < dongs> they also don't guarantee any quality of output
2017-03-31T14:39:49 < zyp> idk, from what I read it's designed to be more evenly hot
2017-03-31T14:40:57 < dongs> the pcb trace coils kinda decide that
2017-03-31T14:41:01 < dongs> and not the top material?
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2017-03-31T15:03:53 < Laurenceb> another april fools
2017-03-31T15:03:54 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teOq5yIX5vs&t=1159
2017-03-31T15:06:12 < zyp> anybody knows where you can get ic tubes for 5x5 qfn32?
2017-03-31T15:06:19 < zyp> (pal of mine needs)
2017-03-31T15:07:02 < zyp> he was like "how stupid would it be to buy 500 ics to throw away just because I want the tubes they come in?"
2017-03-31T15:07:34 < dongs> lul
2017-03-31T15:07:47 < dongs> i usually just toss those, i dont recall anything that I've got that was 5x5 in tube recently tho
2017-03-31T15:07:54 < dongs> 5x5 shit is usaully on tape
2017-03-31T15:08:07 < zyp> I replied with "wat, qfn comes in tubes? also wtf are you putting qfn in tubes for?"
2017-03-31T15:08:38 < zyp> apparently they're doing a zano-ish process of flashing chips that comes on tape and then putting it in tubes
2017-03-31T15:08:45 < zyp> "and yeah, I know it's a bit bullshit"
2017-03-31T15:09:28 < dongs> knobs
2017-03-31T15:12:50 < zyp> so anyway, know a place to get empty tubes?
2017-03-31T15:13:27 < dongs> chinagirl just left on 7 days vacation
2017-03-31T15:13:38 < dongs> aND my other pal is snowboarding in fuckkaido
2017-03-31T15:13:44 < dongs> so not imediately
2017-03-31T15:13:55 < englishman> all that's left in your life is irc
2017-03-31T15:14:13 < dongs> i'll unignore amp!six so i don't have to cry myself to sleep
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2017-03-31T15:15:09 < englishman> that hackaday post makes arduino seem really hard
2017-03-31T15:15:18 < englishman> but you can stm32 in arduino ide! what a benefit!
2017-03-31T15:15:40 < englishman> just hack all of this shit together on the commandline instead of downloading and installing keil in 1 clock
2017-03-31T15:15:43 < englishman> click
2017-03-31T15:18:20 < PaulFertser> Hm, google translate is not as awesome as I expected it, typed in english: "The connector is poorly aligned; 0.5mm more and it wouldn't work at all!", translated to simp.chinese and back to english, getting: "Connector alignment bad more 0.5mm, it does not work at all!". Does this mean my original sentence wasn't proper English?
2017-03-31T15:19:11 < dongs> its correct english but the syntax is too hard for machine to understand
2017-03-31T15:19:21 < dongs> you gotta break it dowen into dumber things
2017-03-31T15:20:19 < PaulFertser> Trying to convince the bluepill seller to fix their processes so that the future customers get proper boards. Probably just wasting my time though.
2017-03-31T15:20:29 < englishman> yeah the key to chinglish is short phrases with simple words
2017-03-31T15:20:32 < dongs> definitely, they're not even making them
2017-03-31T15:20:36 < dongs> so you're 10)% wasting time
2017-03-31T15:20:45 < dongs> i mean, next thing youre gonna ask is put the USB D+ pullup on gpio
2017-03-31T15:20:48 < PaulFertser> But they can require that from the manuf house.
2017-03-31T15:21:17 < PaulFertser> Nope, it doesn't really matter. But soldering the USB connector properly is essential and it's an obv. manuf. issue.
2017-03-31T15:21:23 < englishman> got them from aliexpress? they likely just walked down to the bluepill market in the ARM market building down the street and bought your boards from the cheapest seller
2017-03-31T15:21:26 < dongs> taht connector is garbage too
2017-03-31T15:21:41 < dongs> it should be replaced with non-fail shit, not soldered correctly
2017-03-31T15:21:47 < dongs> ya
2017-03-31T15:22:05 < PaulFertser> For those boards I was going to solder a usb pigtail anyway.
2017-03-31T15:23:27 < PaulFertser> At least the guy will know what to look for when choosing. It's kinda silly to sell boards with usb connector not secured to the board at all anyhow, he'll be getting bad feedback pretty soon.
2017-03-31T15:23:55 < PaulFertser> Wishful thinking, heh
2017-03-31T15:26:52 < PaulFertser> Strange "soldered" becomes "welded", is this the same word in Chinese?
2017-03-31T15:27:06 < dongs> ya lol
2017-03-31T15:27:16 < dongs> there's tons of chink sites talking about "high quality welding"
2017-03-31T15:27:18 < dongs> on PCBs
2017-03-31T15:30:06 < dongs> PaulFertser: also some china holiday is comning up
2017-03-31T15:30:17 < dongs> your guy probably doesnt give a slightest fuck about the boards hes making 0.01% profit on
2017-03-31T15:31:07 < PaulFertser> What's strange is that english->russian->english google translation gives way more sensible results.
2017-03-31T15:32:23 < dongs> PaulFertser: http://www.translationparty.com/
2017-03-31T15:33:14 < dongs> http://www.translationparty.com/the-connector-is-poorly-aligned-0-5mm-more-and-12938855
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2017-03-31T15:36:11 < PaulFertser> Heh
2017-03-31T15:36:21 < dongs> japanese fails in a similar way
2017-03-31T15:36:24 < dongs> (in google trnalte)
2017-03-31T15:37:44 < dongs> PaulFertser: something like The connector alignment is poor. If it was placed 0.5mm more, it wouldn't be usable at all.
2017-03-31T15:37:59 < dongs> would probably result in some ~readable chink
2017-03-31T15:38:16 < k\o\w> that's rasest
2017-03-31T15:38:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: yep, got it now. Thanks for the advice, might need it next time. This time it's obviously just wasting the time.
2017-03-31T15:40:11 < dongs> http://www.translationparty.com/the-connector-alignment-is-poor-if-it-was-placed-12938856
2017-03-31T15:40:28 < dongs> ^ this is what happens when CRT emails panasonic
2017-03-31T15:40:31 < dongs> or pioneer
2017-03-31T15:52:18 < Steffanx> Always this issue where you want to fill up a order to get free shipping but you're not sure what to order.
2017-03-31T15:52:26 < dongs> ya man
2017-03-31T15:55:52 < Steffanx> Hamster converter only works with xhamster videos, dongs.
2017-03-31T15:56:20 < Laurenceb> Steffanx knows from experience
2017-03-31T15:56:31 < Steffanx> [13:36:11] <dongs> written by Steffanx
2017-03-31T15:56:50 < Laurenceb> Steffanx confirmed as the guy who writes the huge bios on every pron star ever on wikipedo
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2017-03-31T15:59:33 < Steffanx> I better do like Senpai, completely ignore shit Laurenceb :P
2017-03-31T15:59:55 < dongs> zyp: https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~prabal/teaching/resources/eecs373/ARM_Cortex_AppNote179.pdf section 2.7 why is that R0-R3 corruption relevant
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2017-03-31T16:02:46 < zyp> r0-r3 are pushed on interrupt mode entry and popped on interrupt mode exit, since ISRs are free to overwrite them without saving
2017-03-31T16:02:57 < dongs> mhm
2017-03-31T16:03:13 < dongs> and how is that relevant to SVC?
2017-03-31T16:03:13 < zyp> but until they are written, they of course keep same value
2017-03-31T16:03:37 < zyp> well, SVC will want to read them, since that's how you pass arguments to SVC
2017-03-31T16:03:43 < dongs> right
2017-03-31T16:03:47 < dongs> so is that saying
2017-03-31T16:03:49 < dongs> if SVC is called
2017-03-31T16:03:58 < dongs> and at the same time, ISR happens
2017-03-31T16:04:03 < dongs> it will trash the svc params?
2017-03-31T16:04:06 < dongs> (or, can trash)
2017-03-31T16:04:36 < dongs> but id ont see how thier asm "solution" fixes it
2017-03-31T16:04:56 < zyp> yeah, a higher priority ISR executing before SVC handler can overwrite the regs, and SVC is just chained, so the regs don't get popped before SVC executes
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2017-03-31T16:06:01 < zyp> their asm is generating a pointer to the saved copy of the regs on stack
2017-03-31T16:06:08 < dongs> does the asm is switching the stack?
2017-03-31T16:06:09 < dongs> ah okay
2017-03-31T16:06:24 < zyp> so they'll read it through the svc_args pointer instead of reading the registers directly
2017-03-31T16:07:22 < zyp> basically they're just doing mov r0, sp
2017-03-31T16:08:00 < zyp> but they're also handling the dual stack situation by checking if the arguments are on MSP or PSP
2017-03-31T16:08:39 < zyp> one of the bits in the EXC_RETURN value in LR says whether to return to MSP or PSP, so they're checking that to figure out which to grab
2017-03-31T16:12:50 < dongs> notice they're using keil asm syntax
2017-03-31T16:12:57 < dongs> and asm-only functions (the only way to roll0
2017-03-31T16:13:10 < dongs> none of this __asm(faggot) shit inside C code
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2017-03-31T16:31:48 < englishman> when did gcc add cortex-m3 support?
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2017-03-31T16:34:53 < englishman> i think local pcbfab misquoted me on this project, the new quote is 1/2 price, for 2x as many boards and 2 more layers
2017-03-31T16:34:58 < englishman> yay, profits
2017-03-31T16:36:47 < Steffanx> Last time they'll be nice to you? :P
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2017-03-31T16:56:07 < dongs> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1g1JrRRkY how come they dont actually show anyone flying in it
2017-03-31T16:56:14 < dongs> also why do they even need a pilot there
2017-03-31T16:56:50 < englishman> uh
2017-03-31T16:56:52 < englishman> >youtube
2017-03-31T16:56:55 < englishman> >patreon
2017-03-31T16:57:01 < englishman> >20 minute video
2017-03-31T16:57:05 < englishman> what do you think the goal of this projec tis
2017-03-31T16:57:10 < dongs> haha
2017-03-31T16:57:10 < englishman> a) make a cool plane, innovate
2017-03-31T16:57:15 < englishman> b) youtube dollaz
2017-03-31T16:57:57 < englishman> lol at hobbyking motors and hobbyking thrust test bench
2017-03-31T16:57:58 < dongs> i never expand those jewtub descriptions
2017-03-31T16:58:00 < dongs> yes
2017-03-31T16:58:02 < dongs> lol
2017-03-31T16:58:11 < dongs> i think i even bought or looked at that dual motor motor thing
2017-03-31T16:58:13 < dongs> like years ago
2017-03-31T16:58:20 < englishman> dude
2017-03-31T16:58:23 < englishman> $8k per month
2017-03-31T16:58:29 < englishman> on patreon
2017-03-31T16:58:31 < dongs> haha
2017-03-31T16:58:46 < englishman> to buy $15 hobbyking thriust test bench
2017-03-31T17:02:06 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8qDds6SewM
2017-03-31T17:02:09 < ReadError> AWWW YAAAA
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2017-03-31T17:03:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0Dl3X4G.png lol
2017-03-31T17:03:29 < dongs> so yall think i should put this on a flexipcb?
2017-03-31T17:03:52 < englishman> surely that can be done with some jumper wires
2017-03-31T17:04:12 < dongs> even chinamen refuse to rework 1k boards with jumper wires
2017-03-31T17:04:16 < dongs> so no
2017-03-31T17:04:43 < englishman> is there a gnuradio for windows yet
2017-03-31T17:04:49 < englishman> that doesnt involve compiling shit for days
2017-03-31T17:04:52 < dongs> haha
2017-03-31T17:04:56 < dongs> > gnu
2017-03-31T17:04:57 < dongs> > for windows
2017-03-31T17:04:59 < dongs> > no compiling
2017-03-31T17:05:01 < dongs> cmon man
2017-03-31T17:05:04 < dongs> you know better than that
2017-03-31T17:05:11 < dongs> also isnt it like 99% of retarded python scripts now
2017-03-31T17:05:24 < englishman> i dono i started installing it on lunix yesterday
2017-03-31T17:05:27 < englishman> let it run for an hour
2017-03-31T17:05:29 < dongs> haha
2017-03-31T17:05:31 < englishman> and closed nomachine
2017-03-31T17:06:35 < dongs> can't you just setup.exe that shit
2017-03-31T17:07:07 < englishman> ideally
2017-03-31T17:07:15 < dongs> https://wiki.gnuradio.org/index.php/WindowsInstall#Current_Windows_Status
2017-03-31T17:07:37 < englishman> yeah downloading now
2017-03-31T17:07:39 < dongs> looks like setup.exe is finally possible
2017-03-31T17:08:26 < dongs> I do not plan on releasing a 32-bit version since I believe there will be little demand from the average GNURadio user. And devices unable to support 64-bit are probably better off using the Linux version. If there is a driving use case I haven’t thought of, please contact me via the mailing list.
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2017-03-31T17:23:56 < aandrew> dongs: what are you gnuradioing
2017-03-31T17:24:00 < dongs> not me
2017-03-31T17:24:02 < dongs> englishman
2017-03-31T17:24:05 < dongs> i wouldnt touch that garbage
2017-03-31T17:24:09 < englishman> why
2017-03-31T17:24:14 < englishman> im already starting to demodulate
2017-03-31T17:24:14 < aandrew> and that is quite the PCB outline in that imgur link
2017-03-31T17:24:59 < aandrew> englishman: I hope you locked the door, nobody wants to walk in on you demodulating
2017-03-31T17:26:22 < Steffanx> Where is crt?
2017-03-31T17:26:38 < dongs> pumping, what else
2017-03-31T17:34:32 < dongs> > I really want an iOS laptop (that can be plugged in to a monitor and keyboard too) for my mom. For most things it would work okay, and there'd be less she could do to accidentally install malware. Or just have a super locked down ios-like mode for MacOS (or Windows) to get me the same thing.
2017-03-31T17:34:37 < dongs> i want to murder people ilke this
2017-03-31T17:34:45 < dongs> they're are the reason lunix is trying to be on desktop
2017-03-31T17:36:01 < dongs> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/upcoming-windows-10-feature-lets-users-block-installation-of-win32-apps/ haha
2017-03-31T17:37:27 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN2T6uDQmvU
2017-03-31T17:38:25 < dongs> RIP ReadError
2017-03-31T17:45:20 < englishman> implying he leaves the house
2017-03-31T17:46:28 < Steffanx> Dont be so mean to your ircgl friend.
2017-03-31T17:47:04 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_S9YsD9Y0c
2017-03-31T17:50:13 < mervaka> :o
2017-03-31T17:50:20 < mervaka> sup
2017-03-31T17:50:41 < dongs> jadew: muting audio, what did that cunt find
2017-03-31T17:50:52 < jadew> a 300k scope
2017-03-31T17:51:06 < dongs> pretty sure hes trolling
2017-03-31T17:51:06 < jadew> 32 GHz bandwidth
2017-03-31T17:51:14 < jadew> 80 GSps
2017-03-31T17:51:30 < jadew> he could be, I'm not sure tho
2017-03-31T17:51:33 < jadew> it looks legit
2017-03-31T17:51:57 < dongs>  it looks legit as in he has it, but its not legit as in from teh garbage
2017-03-31T17:52:13 < jadew> yeah, possible
2017-03-31T17:52:30 < jadew> man... that thing is amazing
2017-03-31T17:52:47 < jadew> the software looks great
2017-03-31T17:52:59 < Steffanx> Not really, it runs windows.
2017-03-31T17:54:03 < dongs>  < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_S9YsD9Y0c
2017-03-31T17:54:09 < dongs> jadew: post date = apr 1
2017-03-31T17:54:18 < jadew> oh, ffs
2017-03-31T17:54:27 < dongs> (in australia)
2017-03-31T17:54:39 < jadew> heh
2017-03-31T17:54:57 < Steffanx> we better shut down the internet
2017-03-31T17:55:27 < dongs> anyway skipped through the video on mute and closed
2017-03-31T17:55:30 < dongs> lol @ all included test apps
2017-03-31T17:55:33 < dongs> for displayport/mipi dphy etc
2017-03-31T17:55:43 < dongs> that shit is another several tens of thousands k in license fees
2017-03-31T17:59:14 < jadew> I wouldn't mind a scope with 1 GHz BW tho
2017-03-31T17:59:22 < jadew> oh, dongs, I meant to ask you
2017-03-31T17:59:26 < dongs> i have that
2017-03-31T17:59:31 < jadew> how's the serial decode on the MDO4000?
2017-03-31T17:59:37 < dongs> yeah? in what sense
2017-03-31T17:59:39 < jadew> is it instant, like with Agilent scopes?
2017-03-31T17:59:40 < dongs> its slow as fuck
2017-03-31T17:59:43 < dongs> haha no
2017-03-31T17:59:43 < jadew> ah
2017-03-31T17:59:51 < dongs> 10msamples depth = several seconds decoding
2017-03-31T18:00:04 < dongs> that serial decode i pasted yesterday
2017-03-31T18:00:06 < jadew> yeah, was wondering how they did in that regard
2017-03-31T18:00:22 < dongs> yeah its awful
2017-03-31T18:00:24 < dongs> cuz
2017-03-31T18:00:34 < dongs> triggering and dispaly shit is done on fpga
2017-03-31T18:00:35 < dongs> but
2017-03-31T18:00:42 < dongs> all protocol decoding stuff is on the shity lunix processor
2017-03-31T18:00:46 < dongs> which is some ancient ppc
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2017-03-31T18:03:22 < englishman> dropcocks hq http://i.imgur.com/9ekFT4v.jpg
2017-03-31T18:03:35 < dongs> awful
2017-03-31T18:03:41 < englishman> not even aerons
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2017-03-31T18:04:20 < jadew> 3d rendered?
2017-03-31T18:06:07 < jadew> the shadows under the red chair and the coffee table are off
2017-03-31T18:09:36 < Steffanx> the result is real..
2017-03-31T18:09:51 < Steffanx> and it probably is real
2017-03-31T18:15:50 < dongs> jadew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZrYZbAn-eM found your #1 song cloned
2017-03-31T18:16:22 < jadew> haha
2017-03-31T18:17:52 < jadew> haven't heard that song in a while
2017-03-31T18:18:07 < dongs> yeah that CD is from 2006
2017-03-31T18:18:09 < dongs> (the clone)
2017-03-31T18:19:19 < jadew> if that song would have been made today, it would have had 1 billion+ views
2017-03-31T18:23:59 < jadew> heh, seems to be one of the best selling singles in history lol
2017-03-31T18:24:06 < jadew> I hated that song when it came out
2017-03-31T18:27:22 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Dance_2017 omg wat
2017-03-31T18:27:25 < dongs> must get
2017-03-31T18:28:33 < Steffanx> Sorry - Bieber?
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2017-03-31T18:29:59 < jadew> there are 2 romanian songs on that list
2017-03-31T18:30:10 < Steffanx> Do i want to know which 2?
2017-03-31T18:30:23 < jadew> I don't know the other one
2017-03-31T18:30:29 < jadew> one of them is the numa numa one
2017-03-31T18:30:37 < jadew> (dragostea din tei)
2017-03-31T18:30:59 < jadew> listening now to the second one
2017-03-31T18:31:02 < jadew> Cola Song
2017-03-31T18:31:31 < jadew> lol, such shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz2658gzOuM
2017-03-31T18:31:45 < dongs> whats cola song?
2017-03-31T18:31:53 < dongs> is that the second raomanian one?
2017-03-31T18:31:58 < jadew> don't know, first time I hear it
2017-03-31T18:31:59 < dongs> what the fuck whats wrong wiht those women
2017-03-31T18:32:00 < jadew> yeah
2017-03-31T18:32:04 < dongs> so ugly
2017-03-31T18:32:22 < dongs> closing page
2017-03-31T18:33:22 < jadew> I like this chick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY3ZTLfKQkI
2017-03-31T18:33:41 < jadew> hmm, maybe not that much
2017-03-31T18:33:47 < jadew> haven't seen it in a while
2017-03-31T18:34:04 < jadew> ok, she's a 6
2017-03-31T18:34:43 < jadew> the chick that plays the trumpet is an 8
2017-03-31T18:35:01 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Fw8xhGidQ
2017-03-31T18:36:04 < dongs> how does "your phone turns into controller"
2017-03-31T18:36:14 < dongs> are tehy connecting phone by BT for additional accelerometer data?
2017-03-31T18:37:11 < dongs> https://just-dance.ubisoft.com/en-us/controller-app/
2017-03-31T18:37:12 < dongs> ah
2017-03-31T18:37:13 < dongs> wifi
2017-03-31T18:53:20 < englishman> romanians have songs?
2017-03-31T18:53:27 < englishman> i thought they only have sad violin and suffering
2017-03-31T18:53:59 < englishman> example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zTUGCRlpB0
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2017-03-31T19:03:30 < dongs> heh
2017-03-31T19:03:32 < dongs> check out gogle maps on mobile
2017-03-31T19:03:36 < dongs> for google apr1 trolling
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2017-03-31T19:07:19 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/1DsJ6Cu.png
2017-03-31T19:09:52 < Laurenceb> nice http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/viewtopic.php?p=15729392
2017-03-31T19:12:25 < KreAture_> hey Laurenceb you play BF1 ?
2017-03-31T19:12:34 < dongs> wat
2017-03-31T19:13:11 < Laurenceb> erm no
2017-03-31T19:13:12 < dongs> Laurenceb: im not signing on on some pole site
2017-03-31T19:13:14 < KreAture_> ok
2017-03-31T19:13:16 < dongs> did you dlownlaod it
2017-03-31T19:13:22 < Laurenceb> dont have time for gay-ming
2017-03-31T19:13:27 < Laurenceb> nope too lazy
2017-03-31T19:13:35 < KreAture_> :p
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2017-03-31T19:15:29 < dongs> Laurenceb: oh lol its closedsores
2017-03-31T19:15:36 < dongs> STM32F103C8T6 MSC Bootloader by piotr_go auto_reset.tar.gz
2017-03-31T19:15:37 < dongs> blink test.bin
2017-03-31T19:15:37 < dongs> STM32F103C8T6 MSC Bootloader by piotr_go + auto_reset.bin
2017-03-31T19:15:42 < Laurenceb> doh
2017-03-31T19:15:49 < Laurenceb> prob russia haxor warez
2017-03-31T19:15:55 < dongs> stolen from stlink
2017-03-31T19:16:02 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/9/9b/TWUE_GAYMER.png
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2017-03-31T19:16:43 < Laurenceb> http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa283/delboyonline/Particle50_CoxDB600_zpsdfpmzx6m.jpg
2017-03-31T19:17:07 < dongs> photobucket is such a filthy site
2017-03-31T19:19:36 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/P5iyeog.png Laurenceb daily life
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2017-03-31T19:22:37 < aandrew> fuck binary shit
2017-03-31T19:23:24 < dongs> hey when you're in .pl and you pay $2.95 for a bluepill stm32, the next best thing to making use of it is getting some internet cred on a messageboard for writing a super hax bootloader
2017-03-31T19:23:41 < aandrew> http://s198.photobucket.com/user/delboyonline/media/ForrestTrump600_zpsvdn5opya.jpg.html
2017-03-31T19:23:42 < dongs> so that more 2.95 users can praise you for saving their lives
2017-03-31T19:24:58 < Laurenceb> lul bluepill
2017-03-31T19:25:02 < Laurenceb> I want the redpill
2017-03-31T19:26:47 < Steffanx> You are not granted permission by the girl from dongs' post
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2017-03-31T19:38:48 < englishman> beep PeterM
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2017-03-31T19:39:33 < Steffanx> Anyone knows if mouser sells pogo pins ( or something under a different name) that is not sparkfun or adafruit?
2017-03-31T19:39:44 < englishman> sure
2017-03-31T19:40:29 < Steffanx> And then the pointy ones, not some other non-pointy/sharp one
2017-03-31T19:40:53 < englishman> http://ca.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Smiths-Connectors-IDI/S-1-E-2-G-D-C-670-OAL/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMu2RFV024JNkxaYp1dNcx10wH8FTQ6IWvg%3d
2017-03-31T19:41:06 < Steffanx> Mouser does not presently sell this product.
2017-03-31T19:41:09 < englishman> go to smiths and use their catalogue, then look up on mauser/digikrap
2017-03-31T19:41:14 < englishman> wat
2017-03-31T19:41:17 < englishman> are they racist?
2017-03-31T19:41:22 < Steffanx> Delivery Restrictions:
2017-03-31T19:41:22 < Steffanx> Mouser does not presently sell this product in your region. Mouser does not presently sell this product in your region.
2017-03-31T19:41:22 < englishman> Stock: 1,284 Can Ship Immediately
2017-03-31T19:41:25 < Steffanx> so that is a yes.
2017-03-31T19:41:26 < englishman> haha
2017-03-31T19:41:36 < englishman> well that's what you get for browsing mauser
2017-03-31T19:41:42 < englishman> (racism)
2017-03-31T19:41:45 < Steffanx> I guess
2017-03-31T19:43:56 < Steffanx> An some other decent one is obsolete -_-
2017-03-31T19:44:14 < Steffanx> *decent = useful
2017-03-31T19:46:53 < Steffanx> " Mouser does not market IDI / Smiths Connectors product in your region" Seems to be more like a IDI/smiths issue than it is a mouser issue.
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2017-03-31T19:58:20 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3d9446802a/9632.jpg
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2017-03-31T20:14:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/gold/about/
2017-03-31T20:14:25 < Laurenceb> not sure if troll
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2017-03-31T20:17:36 < Steffanx> Check date Laurenceb.
2017-03-31T20:17:47 < Laurenceb> true
2017-03-31T20:19:38 < englishman> ?
2017-03-31T20:19:43 < Steffanx> it does seem to work..
2017-03-31T20:19:46 < englishman> reddit gold has been a thing for years
2017-03-31T20:19:46 < Steffanx> @ paying
2017-03-31T20:19:58 < Steffanx> damn, how can the Laurenceb not know,.
2017-03-31T20:20:00 < englishman> I have no idea why someone would use it tho
2017-03-31T20:20:06 < Laurenceb> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/178/568/132.png
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2017-03-31T20:35:20 < englishman> nice, New Holland wants $800 for a 1m gps coax cable
2017-03-31T20:41:04 < Steffanx> You know the hollanders..
2017-03-31T20:41:16 < Steffanx> new are even worse
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2017-03-31T20:51:35  * englishman eats a new wafel
2017-03-31T20:52:05 < Steffanx> Enjoy
2017-03-31T20:52:30 < englishman> i am
2017-03-31T20:52:36 < englishman> i have also achieved wafel separation
2017-03-31T20:52:40 < englishman> an advanced wafel technique
2017-03-31T20:54:00 < Steffanx> :D
2017-03-31T21:04:50 < Steffanx> Im proud of you
2017-03-31T21:05:09 < englishman> thanks, it means a lot
2017-03-31T21:14:02 < Steffanx> I have another box ready to ship, but kakimir does not reply -_-
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2017-03-31T21:17:13 < englishman> probably busy getting the new holland ready for planting season
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2017-03-31T22:12:53 < Steffanx> Why mouser sells adafruit and sparkfun stuff?
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2017-03-31T22:35:39 < jpa-> why wouldn't they?
2017-03-31T22:35:44 < jpa-> it's pretty useful for prototyping
2017-03-31T22:38:05 < Steffanx> Its just weird that mouser sells adafruit pogo pins.
2017-03-31T22:38:11 < Steffanx> its not adafruit at all.
2017-03-31T22:38:27 < Steffanx> And hi jpa-
2017-03-31T22:39:06 < zyp> digikey does too
2017-03-31T22:39:54 < Steffanx> Custom boards ok, but for example pogo pins... why
2017-03-31T22:40:05 < upgrdman> makers gotta make
2017-03-31T22:41:02 < upgrdman> theres also some annyoing things, like those 2x5 ARM ribbon cables, mouse only carries them from adafruit iirc
2017-03-31T22:41:09 < upgrdman> mouser*
2017-03-31T22:41:19 < upgrdman> of course, digikey has a variety of them, but still
2017-03-31T22:41:40 < jpa-> hi steffie
2017-03-31T22:41:57 < Steffanx> Hows sef-emplyoing?
2017-03-31T22:48:08 < jpa-> barely getting started, yesterday was last day of parental leave
2017-03-31T22:48:25 < jpa-> https://www.devembedded.com/en/   made a website though
2017-03-31T22:49:19 < englishman> cool jpa-
2017-03-31T22:49:21 < englishman> good luck
2017-03-31T22:49:21 < Steffanx> :)
2017-03-31T22:56:50 < Steffanx> Your autism doesnt want the boxes to be sized equally jpa-?
2017-03-31T22:58:02 < jpa-> Steffanx: it does, but it doesn't look much better when the text still takes variable amount of space
2017-03-31T22:58:19 < jpa-> basically, not worth trying, as it is it scales better
2017-03-31T22:59:25 < englishman> holy shit, got response from ON
2017-03-31T22:59:53 < englishman> to enable psk mode in the register generation tool, you have to enter a secret magic number in a random entry box
2017-03-31T23:00:18 < englishman> the entered value changes and enables psk modulation
2017-03-31T23:00:53 < Steffanx> lolwut
2017-03-31T23:01:56 < Steffanx> Better blog to tell the world
2017-03-31T23:02:06 < englishman> just irc.
2017-03-31T23:02:15 < englishman> and only the important Chan.
2017-03-31T23:02:29 < Steffanx> but you can include a COLOURED ascii gl there
2017-03-31T23:02:51 < englishman> any contracts yet jpa
2017-03-31T23:05:08 < upgrdman> heh, the nano Pb logo looks like a pair of anal beads
2017-03-31T23:07:25 < Steffanx> only you would know/recognize.
2017-03-31T23:10:33 < PaulFertser> I wonder what molecule jpa had in mind, Pb doesn't seem to be common in combinations like that, is it some odd chemistry quiz?
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