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2017-04-01T00:53:26 < upgrdman> anyone know a code obfuscator + ability to blame another country? https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/62m1ty/today_march_31st_2017_wikileaks_releases_vault_7/
2017-04-01T00:53:31 < upgrdman> s/know/need
2017-04-01T00:54:44 < Thorn> >a source code obfuscator (that you run before the build)
2017-04-01T00:55:07 < Thorn> why would you run it before the build? so that the compiler doesn't know what it's compiling?
2017-04-01T00:59:17 < upgrdman> to ensure the resulting op codes don't seem easy to disassemble
2017-04-01T01:00:01 < upgrdman> also probably to make sure compiler quirks dont give things away
2017-04-01T01:01:53 < Thorn> why not do that after the build
2017-04-01T01:02:06 < Rickta59> seems like all it does is mess with the strings to make it less obvious what the strings contain
2017-04-01T01:02:23 < upgrdman> Thorn, why not both
2017-04-01T01:02:26 < Thorn> (I think malware writers have done exactly that for many years)
2017-04-01T01:02:49 < upgrdman> also
2017-04-01T01:03:00 < upgrdman> maybe so the resulting op codes dont look like theyve been obfuscated
2017-04-01T01:03:25 < upgrdman> since ideally you dont want it to be obvious that you're doing SecretStuff
2017-04-01T01:04:37 < Rickta59> when they say "obfuscating" text I think they mean words like "http://blahblh" into something unreadable not messing with the .text segement and messing with the opcodes
2017-04-01T01:05:33 < Rickta59> "When building a tool you will almost inevitably have to use some set of strings or sensitive data. When security products or professionals scan a system we don't want to make it easy for them to find something malicious by just doing a string search. "
2017-04-01T01:05:45 < Rickta59> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_11629046.htmlhttps://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_11629046.html
2017-04-01T01:06:09 < Rickta59> nsfw if you are a .gov employee
2017-04-01T01:07:28 < Rickta59> * it probably does a rot13 : )
2017-04-01T01:08:58 < Steffanx> your link 404s now, because you turned 2 links into 1
2017-04-01T01:09:10 < Steffanx> Talking about obfuscating :P
2017-04-01T01:10:24 < Rickta59> you secret spies can figure it out
2017-04-01T01:12:45 < Steffanx> Label has been printed mr kakimir, will ship tomorrow.
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2017-04-01T01:40:12 < kakimir> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvukFYZYL0Q
2017-04-01T01:45:57 < Steffanx> Fake.. they have pants on.
2017-04-01T01:46:07 < Steffanx> What's your record mr kakimir?
2017-04-01T01:48:22 < kakimir> temperature?
2017-04-01T01:50:12 < kakimir> I think i have been in 105
2017-04-01T01:51:15 < kakimir> turns unpleasant at the moment first water is thrown to stove
2017-04-01T01:51:58 < kakimir> and the seat burns ass
2017-04-01T01:55:50 < Steffanx> :D
2017-04-01T01:57:09 < kakimir> breathing is hard
2017-04-01T01:57:23 < kakimir> burning nose and throat
2017-04-01T01:57:33 < kakimir> lungs
2017-04-01T01:58:35 < upgrdman> so why do it
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2017-04-01T02:01:12 < kakimir> leaving is like trying to walk thru fire
2017-04-01T02:01:56 < kakimir> so better wait 15seconds until the steam starts to fade and then leave
2017-04-01T02:02:22 < upgrdman> but i mean why even start
2017-04-01T02:02:35 < upgrdman> is this a dick measuring context for nordic fucks?
2017-04-01T02:02:42 < upgrdman> contest*
2017-04-01T02:02:47 < kakimir> sometimes sauna is too hot but it's not like you could make is colder instantly
2017-04-01T02:02:50 < kakimir> so you go in
2017-04-01T02:03:18 < kakimir> once I have seen something like 150celsius is the gauge but then I actually waited a second
2017-04-01T02:04:00 < kakimir> plastic was melting and wall was turning into tar
2017-04-01T02:04:29 < kakimir> roof may have been a bit too close to ignition point
2017-04-01T02:05:31 < kakimir> not really turning into tar but metaphorically.. resin was coming out the wood though
2017-04-01T02:07:49 < englishman> xxxtreem sauna
2017-04-01T02:08:17 < englishman> americans do skydiving and shit
2017-04-01T02:08:24 < englishman> Finns go in a hot room
2017-04-01T02:09:39 < kakimir> also skydiving
2017-04-01T02:10:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nude-naked-brexit-protest-woman-cambridge-university-professor-victoria-bateman-30-economists-a7115341.html
2017-04-01T02:10:10 < Laurenceb_> wtf I can't even
2017-04-01T02:11:34 < Steffanx> Saturday 2 July 2016 good morning Laurenceb_
2017-04-01T02:46:56 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/Huw1E0a.png
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2017-04-01T02:51:42 < branjb> should i see ghost in the shell
2017-04-01T02:53:11 < Steffanx> What's your gender and your age branjb?
2017-04-01T02:53:49 < Steffanx> And no, you should not.
2017-04-01T02:54:45 < Steffanx> I remember we had this discussion once. You do not enjoy movies, you go out and camp in the woods/fields/somehwere outside. Stare in flames. Enjoy the sound of the bird early in the morning.
2017-04-01T02:54:54 < Laurenceb_> They're bringing civic nationalism, they're bringing dank black guys in trump hats, they're fags. And some, I assume, are good people.
2017-04-01T02:55:12 < branjb> wow kinda creepy that you remember that about me
2017-04-01T02:55:51 < Laurenceb_> Trump supporters aren't sending their best
2017-04-01T02:56:21 < Steffanx> Thanks for the compliment branjb.
2017-04-01T02:56:56 < branjb> my dad just sent me this shirt in the mail: http://imgur.com/a/c0EaL
2017-04-01T02:57:00 < Steffanx> Assuming you are male 18-29.. and are an average imdb buy. Then it would be a waste of money with 6.8/10
2017-04-01T02:57:20 < Steffanx> *guy
2017-04-01T02:57:28 < branjb> i'm a sucker for CG though and it looks like it has good CG
2017-04-01T02:57:34 < branjb> don't know/care about the story
2017-04-01T02:57:36 < Laurenceb_> Scarlett Johansson is a zionist
2017-04-01T02:57:39 < Laurenceb_> enough said
2017-04-01T02:58:01 < Steffanx> Do you even know who that is Laurenceb_?
2017-04-01T02:58:18 < Laurenceb_>  (((Scarlett Johansson)))
2017-04-01T02:58:39 < Steffanx> Do you even know who that is? Or did you just copy paste dramapedia?
2017-04-01T02:59:26 < Laurenceb_> I don't follow popular culture
2017-04-01T02:59:28 < Laurenceb_> so yes
2017-04-01T03:00:12 < Steffanx> The trailer looks awful branjb, better not watch it.
2017-04-01T03:01:07 < Laurenceb_>  the_donald has 6 million subscribers and the reddit admins decided to shoah the 7 million subscribers or the_donald actually has under 400k subscribers and reddit admins are lying to their advertisers that there are 8 million subscribers on t_d. Either way we have to figure out where the 9 million subscribers number is coming from.
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2017-04-01T03:01:41 < branjb> russia
2017-04-01T03:02:03 < Steffanx> Why the unpopular culture you do follow is so fucking boring Laurenceb_?
2017-04-01T03:03:39 < Steffanx> *why is
2017-04-01T03:03:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/62nvub/never_forget_dont_fall_victim_to/?st=j0yhvuw4&sh=c3e2c093
2017-04-01T03:07:56 < Laurenceb_> dat comments thread
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2017-04-01T04:17:19 < dongs> lol palmer "cp" luckey left occulus dick'd
2017-04-01T04:17:30 < dongs> read the article on theregister first, thought it was apr1 shit
2017-04-01T04:17:51 < dongs> confirmed by various amp!ed articles on google
2017-04-01T04:27:48 < englishman> lucky "left" ??
2017-04-01T04:27:52 < englishman> or "got quitted"
2017-04-01T04:29:08 < englishman> oh wow he was replaced by hugo barra
2017-04-01T04:32:42 < dongs> occulus is dead anyway
2017-04-01T04:32:50 < dongs> vive is 500% superior
2017-04-01T04:33:01 < englishman> yeah they must have offered barra a fuckton of facebook shares to head a dying company
2017-04-01T04:33:16 < dongs> fucking samdung gear VR is basically occulus and it sold 5 mil+ vs like 200k for occulus
2017-04-01T04:33:49 < englishman> well they took everything that could be cool and fun about VR and make it like apple and facebook combined
2017-04-01T04:34:51 < englishman> i got a dickstarteree for you dongs, no backing required https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoGRlS53U_k
2017-04-01T04:35:07 < englishman> better than FPV
2017-04-01T04:35:40 < dongs> haha
2017-04-01T04:35:59 < dongs> so much apr1 garbage
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2017-04-01T04:48:40 < upgrdman> ideal use case for a laser cutter   http://i.imgur.com/8wGTD4l.gifv
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2017-04-01T04:57:26 < dongs> holy shit 130" screen is big
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2017-04-01T05:13:44 < upgrdman> dongs, what 130" screen. i want one
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2017-04-01T05:18:10 < inca> Dave finds a 32 GHz scope dumpster diving... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_S9YsD9Y0c
2017-04-01T05:18:59 < englishman> cheerio m8
2017-04-01T05:19:25  * inca noodles on date time line
2017-04-01T05:19:26 < englishman> i dono why theres so many april 1 vidos on the fucking 31st of march
2017-04-01T05:19:34 < englishman> google has one too
2017-04-01T05:19:51 < englishman> its still the 31st there for like a day
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2017-04-01T05:21:32 < englishman> get r done
2017-04-01T05:29:02 < upgrdman> pc needs moar fans    http://i.imgur.com/dRrQYH3.jpg
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2017-04-01T05:44:02 < englishman> pumped way too much pro today
2017-04-01T05:44:18 < englishman> trying to not pro tonight and chill but still forced to pro
2017-04-01T05:59:36 < dongs> god damn wtf china
2017-04-01T05:59:39 < dongs> that flexpcb from yesterday
2017-04-01T05:59:41 < dongs> is $110 for 100
2017-04-01T05:59:47 < dongs> cannot believe
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2017-04-01T06:08:38 < dongs> gonna order it just for the lulz
2017-04-01T06:09:11 < englishman> cool
2017-04-01T06:09:23 < englishman> all my pcbs are gonna be flexi from now on
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2017-04-01T06:19:51 < sync_> Nice dongs
2017-04-01T06:23:03 < englishman> found pic of R2COM house http://i.imgur.com/yIZWT8j.jpg
2017-04-01T06:44:38 < dongs> i havent clicked on any amp links in over a week
2017-04-01T06:44:49 < dongs> if I see aresult i want to see i have to click 'show desktop version' of google to get rid of amp links first
2017-04-01T06:45:01 < dongs> sometimes stuff that was amped doesnt show up in same order (its usually lower) on the desktop search list
2017-04-01T06:45:04 < dongs> RIP google
2017-04-01T06:56:35 < dongs> is amp!six autisming?
2017-04-01T06:56:42 < dongs> oh
2017-04-01T06:56:49 < dongs> hes just useless + harmeless
2017-04-01T06:56:51 < dongs> harmless
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2017-04-01T07:27:35 < dongs> fuck still cant believe fpc price
2017-04-01T07:27:43 < dongs> maybe i should use that stuff for more shit more often
2017-04-01T07:27:57 < dongs> pull a zano
2017-04-01T07:32:21 < emeb_mac> fpc?
2017-04-01T07:32:51 < englishman> flexi pc (b)
2017-04-01T07:35:10 < emeb_mac> cool
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2017-04-01T07:43:47 < PeterM> there is no b
2017-04-01T07:43:56 < PeterM> because its jsut a flexible printed circuit, no board
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2017-04-01T07:47:21 < englishman> (b)
2017-04-01T07:47:24 < englishman> yo PeterM
2017-04-01T07:47:24 < englishman> pm
2017-04-01T07:55:21 < dongs> Experience Next Generation AVR
2017-04-01T07:55:30 < dongs> Dear Igo,
2017-04-01T07:55:30 < dongs> The tiny817 series of MCUs marks the beginning of a new era in AVR Microcontrollers. They combine the efficiency of an efficient 8-bit CPU with autonomous peripherals designed to increase throughput while further reducing power consumption and system latency.
2017-04-01T07:55:34 < dongs> For a limited time, we are offering the ATtiny817 Xplained Mini development board with FREE shipping at Microchip Direct! Please use coupon code FREESHP817 at checkout.
2017-04-01T07:56:06 < dongs> The ATtiny817/816/814/417 is a series of microcontrollers featuring the 8-bit AVR®  processor with hardware multiplier - running at up to 20MHz and with up to 8KB Flash, 512B SRAM and 128 bytes of EEPROM in 14-, 20- and 24-pin packages.
2017-04-01T07:57:17 < emeb_mac> yay?
2017-04-01T07:57:17 < englishman> hey they cloned the stm8 3x3 qfn20
2017-04-01T07:57:42 < dongs> Timing/Waveform/Measurement Control
2017-04-01T07:57:42 < dongs> Configurable Custom Logic (CCL)
2017-04-01T07:57:43 < dongs> wats this
2017-04-01T07:58:43 < dongs> The Configurable Custom Logic (CCL) contains programmable logic which can be connected to the
2017-04-01T07:58:46 < dongs> device pins, events, or internal peripherals.
2017-04-01T07:58:49 < dongs> Each LUT consists of three inputs, a truth table and optional synchronizer, filter and edge detector. Each
2017-04-01T07:58:52 < dongs> LUT can generate an output as a user programmable logic expression with three inputs.
2017-04-01T07:58:56 < dongs> uhh
2017-04-01T07:58:58 < dongs> wow
2017-04-01T07:59:01 < dongs> isnt that kinda neat
2017-04-01T07:59:04 < englishman> Sequential Logic Functions:
2017-04-01T07:59:04 < englishman> Gated D Flip-Flop, JK Flip-Flop, gated D Latch, RS Latch
2017-04-01T08:00:48 < englishman> 20mhz only at 5v
2017-04-01T08:00:57 < englishman> if its .24c it'll be interesting
2017-04-01T08:11:40 < emeb_mac> IIRC Analog Devices ADuC parts had some sort of silly programmable gate array thing too. Never figured out anything to do with that though.
2017-04-01T08:11:52 < dongs> so does beagleboner
2017-04-01T08:16:04 < emeb_mac> ?
2017-04-01T08:17:28 < dongs> aandrew or someone was talking about the timers in that thing
2017-04-01T08:17:36 < dongs> that they have some programmable logic-like shit
2017-04-01T08:17:46 < dongs> that you can do stuff like ws2812 or i2c etc with
2017-04-01T08:19:16 < englishman> semi-cpld stuff seems like a crutch for bad periphs
2017-04-01T08:23:35 < dongs> haha
2017-04-01T08:23:35 < dongs> sure
2017-04-01T08:23:55 < dongs> ast leasr nobody is denying atnmel peripherals are trash
2017-04-01T08:25:58 < jpa-> PaulFertser: sorry to disappoint, it is just that i couldn't figure any more sensible Pb molecule that would make sense
2017-04-01T08:28:00 < emeb_mac> beaglebone has a couple of coprocessors called PRU that can run independently of the main CPU. Maybe that's what they were talking about.
2017-04-01T08:32:31 < englishman> jpa, it looks to me like two lead molecules talking to each other over a full duplex channel, possibly with protobufs
2017-04-01T08:32:52 < englishman> *atoms
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2017-04-01T08:50:18 < englishman> crt:
2017-04-01T08:50:19 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yafmOA3iJOo
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2017-04-01T09:05:55 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/BlackandwhiteCapitalAndeancat
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2017-04-01T09:38:58 < upgrdman> if any of you fuckers rely of microsoft codeplex... it's gonna shut down
2017-04-01T09:39:18 < upgrdman> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/bharry/2017/03/31/shutting-down-codeplex/
2017-04-01T09:39:54 < dongs> yeh
2017-04-01T09:39:58 < dongs> there was nothign of value on it anyway
2017-04-01T09:40:17 < dongs> upgrdman: was there any coin laundry in china
2017-04-01T09:40:21 < dongs> or did yhou jut wash your shit in the sink
2017-04-01T09:40:35 < upgrdman> dongs, lol. there was a washing machine in my room
2017-04-01T09:40:45 < dongs> oh, in hotel?
2017-04-01T09:40:49 < dongs> right but just wash toploader?
2017-04-01T09:40:49 < upgrdman> iirc china has no pay laundromats
2017-04-01T09:40:55 < dongs> no drier
2017-04-01T09:40:57 < upgrdman> dongs, front loader, wash only
2017-04-01T09:40:59 < upgrdman> no dry
2017-04-01T09:41:07 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/temp/IMG_20150718_090244.jpg
2017-04-01T09:41:10 < upgrdman> that ^
2017-04-01T09:41:17 < dongs> thats not much of a stepup from washing inm sink
2017-04-01T09:41:43 < upgrdman> agreed, but its a step up at least
2017-04-01T09:42:02 < upgrdman> also, as im sure you know... EVERY plumbing fitting in china leaks
2017-04-01T09:42:35 < upgrdman> first night in china im like, huh, which is the water valve for the washer shut off? *open it and go to bed* ... wake up to 2 meter wide puddle on the floor
2017-04-01T09:42:54 < dongs> lul
2017-04-01T09:42:59 < ohsix> sup
2017-04-01T09:43:26 < ohsix> did you call it out in meters bcuz you were in china
2017-04-01T09:44:06 < upgrdman> ohsix, no i says 2 meters because a lot of the fuckers in here are not 'muricans. and meter is something i can reasonably well convert in my head
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2017-04-01T09:44:18 < upgrdman> i still struggle with mental conversions between F and C temps
2017-04-01T09:44:25 < ohsix> avg of 16 ali items being received: 21.25 days
2017-04-01T09:44:31 < dongs> i klnow what a 2m puddle looks like
2017-04-01T09:44:35 < dongs> no idea what a 2ft pouddle looks like tho
2017-04-01T09:44:38 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-01T09:44:59 < upgrdman> alaskans use meters too?
2017-04-01T09:45:16 < dongs> no
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2017-04-01T09:45:26 < ohsix> divide by 3
2017-04-01T09:45:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: doesn't codeplex host most of the shit nuget packages?
2017-04-01T09:46:09 < ohsix> are they killing that too
2017-04-01T09:46:33 < upgrdman> ohsix, no idea. i only ever used codeplex once, and it was to try out some god aweful terminal program that sucked more than teraterm
2017-04-01T09:47:05 < ohsix> god awful x program that sucked more than y
2017-04-01T09:47:25 < ohsix> all everything on there
2017-04-01T09:47:38 < ohsix> bijection
2017-04-01T09:48:30 < ohsix> new trailer park boys out
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2017-04-01T09:48:38 < ohsix> don't know if want
2017-04-01T09:49:19 < jpa-> englishman: yep
2017-04-01T09:49:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, so i signed up an as Amazon Associate and put a couple of their ads on my web site a week ago. already got like $7 in revenue. shit, i should have monitized my site a long time ago
2017-04-01T09:50:12 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-01T09:50:29 < ohsix> is that regular placement or affiliate or wut
2017-04-01T09:50:59 < upgrdman> ohsix, see bottom of the web page, and also after the first blog post: farrellf.com
2017-04-01T09:51:12 < englishman> jpa-: nanopb is awesome, much respekt, i will take a sauna in honor of you
2017-04-01T09:52:45 < ohsix> hm
2017-04-01T09:52:51 < ohsix> is there a js protobuf lib
2017-04-01T09:53:09 < ohsix> browsers currently shitting cuz of this pleb laptop
2017-04-01T09:53:36 < ohsix> was going to use REST or some hack shit for a thing, but could just as easily do pb
2017-04-01T09:54:21 < ohsix> swoot, in main repo even
2017-04-01T09:56:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: heheh first legit adblock white listing
2017-04-01T09:56:25 < ohsix> f everyone on the internet minus upgrdman
2017-04-01T09:56:31 < upgrdman> lol thx
2017-04-01T09:58:16 < dongs> englishman: doesnt it require python
2017-04-01T09:58:17 < dongs> to use
2017-04-01T09:58:43 < englishman> wat
2017-04-01T09:58:43 < ohsix> did i ask you if you played games & have checked out itch.io's steam-alike
2017-04-01T09:58:49 < dongs> nanopb
2017-04-01T09:58:50 < englishman> python?
2017-04-01T09:58:54 < dongs> to generate teh crap
2017-04-01T09:58:54 < englishman> pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
2017-04-01T09:58:55 < dongs> yes
2017-04-01T09:58:57 < ohsix> it is kind of awesome, short fun games
2017-04-01T09:59:02 < englishman> dude
2017-04-01T09:59:12 < englishman> you are dealing with ##stm32 pros here
2017-04-01T09:59:17 < dongs> yeah?
2017-04-01T09:59:17 < englishman> make no mistake
2017-04-01T09:59:52 < ohsix> pb doesn't try and do string character set anything right
2017-04-01T09:59:55 < englishman> jpa- is in the ##stm32 major leagues
2017-04-01T10:00:06 < dongs> so are you saying theres no python involved
2017-04-01T10:00:07 < ohsix> jpa is def mvp
2017-04-01T10:00:13 < upgrdman> ohsix, me? dont think so. neat site. bookmarked.
2017-04-01T10:00:29 < englishman> if python is involved, i had no idea it was involved. the best way
2017-04-01T10:01:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: if you play anything cool let me know. you need people, but regular human basketball is sweeet
2017-04-01T10:01:45 < upgrdman> ohsix, only games i regularly play are GTA V and Unreal Tournament 2004. and i suck at both.
2017-04-01T10:01:47 < ohsix> due to low friction of itch, a game party thing has kind of popped up, olol
2017-04-01T10:01:53 < ohsix> oic
2017-04-01T10:02:07 < upgrdman> but short arcade shitz are fun too
2017-04-01T10:02:17 < upgrdman> i wrote tetris from stm32f0, etc.
2017-04-01T10:02:25 < dongs> does amp6 have any completed stm32 projects
2017-04-01T10:02:29 < ohsix> check out You Have To Win the Game, about 3h long if you get all the money bags
2017-04-01T10:03:44 < ohsix> you can host a game jam on twitch and get people to vote on em and stuff
2017-04-01T10:04:02 < dongs> something similar to tetris for stm32f0 etc
2017-04-01T10:04:22 < ohsix> game jams are so short that they have to make shit fun first
2017-04-01T10:04:47 < upgrdman> my stm32 tetris  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-4d2yG9azA
2017-04-01T10:05:16 < ohsix> heheh i played a radica lcd tetris game at the thrift shop for too long the other day
2017-04-01T10:05:21 < ohsix> it was legit
2017-04-01T10:05:25 < dongs> better than anything coming out of amp!six labs
2017-04-01T10:06:18 < ohsix> our main product is bile
2017-04-01T10:06:21 < ohsix> oh wait
2017-04-01T10:07:38 < ohsix> love how the recovered neo-6m's sold on ebay look like they were in IEDs
2017-04-01T10:08:30 < upgrdman> anyone know if ferrite bead "arrays" are a good idea? i mean, like, is the close proximity of the anal beads a problem for cross talk?
2017-04-01T10:08:59 < upgrdman> e.g.  https://www.vishay.com/inductors/list/product-34103/
2017-04-01T10:09:37 < ohsix> wouldn't they already be coupled by the connections
2017-04-01T10:09:58 < ohsix> also even if there were crosstalk, if it is emi/hf it'll be filtered by the ferrite
2017-04-01T10:10:18 < ohsix> but i dunno, good question
2017-04-01T10:12:00 < ohsix> aren't those things usually used to stop stuff leaving an enclosure that isn't intended, if there was problematic crosstalk just because of that device, you're probably doing it wrong
2017-04-01T10:12:18 < upgrdman> ohsix, also to keep noise out
2017-04-01T10:13:08 < upgrdman> cause i mean like, regular inductors you dont want to pack to close or they couple. i knows FBs are intetionally high-loss inductors... so maybe they would couple in the fb network?
2017-04-01T10:13:32 < upgrdman> i mean obviously they sell em, so they not 100% aids, but like is it a serious compromise vs discrete fb's
2017-04-01T10:18:51 < ReadError> ohsix: https://www.facebook.com/timmy.dssk/posts/440930899578564
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2017-04-01T11:14:03 < ohsix> ReadError: smells like success
2017-04-01T11:14:35 < ohsix> ReadError: people do tweets that fit together when read top to bottom
2017-04-01T11:14:55 < ohsix> ReadError: twitter bot that makes 10 posts or 50 posts or whatever, chunks of ascii
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2017-04-01T11:19:04 < ReadError> asciis on twitter has to look horrible
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2017-04-01T12:00:04 < ohsix> derp
2017-04-01T12:00:16 < ohsix> ReadError: you do them as images
2017-04-01T12:07:02 < ReadError> example?
2017-04-01T12:12:40 < Steffanx> crt: is that you? Reported you missing
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2017-04-01T12:26:40 < stm32> stffnx
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2017-04-01T13:24:22 < Prutheus> Hello. I have some syntax quesation to this code: https://ghostbin.com/paste/6nk4b I know NASM syntax, but what is here .org doing? how do I know the order of vectors after org. 0 ? and why is r0 and r1 incremented for every fault?
2017-04-01T13:25:49 < dongs> lol.
2017-04-01T13:27:02 < dongs> Thorn: https://www.google.com/search?q=cortex%20m%20vector%20table
2017-04-01T13:27:04 < dongs> err Prutheus https://www.google.com/search?q=cortex%20m%20vector%20table
2017-04-01T13:27:27 < dongs> last bit is 1 to signify that its thumb
2017-04-01T13:28:01 < Prutheus> what does thumb means?
2017-04-01T13:28:06 < dongs> ... instruciton set
2017-04-01T13:28:08 < dongs> hoyl shit dude
2017-04-01T13:28:14 < dongs> why are you writing shit in asm if you havent the slightest idea about it
2017-04-01T13:28:21 < Steffanx> homework :P
2017-04-01T13:28:28 < dongs> the only reason i think think of
2017-04-01T13:28:39 < dongs> but if its homework, shouldnt he have at least paid SOME FUCKING ATTENTION IN CLASS
2017-04-01T13:28:57 < Prutheus> no i like assembly and want to use it on my arm too
2017-04-01T13:28:59 < dongs> i mean, if its ARM asm homework, i'm pretty sure arm/thumb is covered in like first fucking lecture
2017-04-01T13:29:04 < Prutheus> i can program x86 asembly in nasm
2017-04-01T13:29:05 < stm32> lol
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2017-04-01T13:31:06 < dongs> fucking leecher
2017-04-01T13:31:45 < dongs>  even leet pc demoscene fags have given up asm ages ago
2017-04-01T13:31:52 < dongs> most of their shit is C or C++ now
2017-04-01T13:32:03 < dongs> because compilers on windows aren't stuck in dark ages like shit on lunix
2017-04-01T13:32:07 < dongs> no need to hand-write asm anymore
2017-04-01T13:32:15 < Steffanx> o6ing much
2017-04-01T13:32:37 < dongs> sorry.
2017-04-01T13:32:39 < dongs> am i autisming
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2017-04-01T13:40:59 < stm32> lol
2017-04-01T13:42:39 < stm32> bias me fucken diode
2017-04-01T13:43:10 < Steffanx> oi
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2017-04-01T13:46:03 < stm32> yo
2017-04-01T13:51:49 < stm32> got any ciggies
2017-04-01T13:52:09 < Steffanx> smoking is bad.
2017-04-01T13:52:35 < stm32> yah it says on the packet
2017-04-01T13:52:50 < Emil> dongs: wtf
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2017-04-01T13:53:04 < Emil> that was autism-general you went into
2017-04-01T13:54:10 < stm32> i like the bit where he starts on linux too
2017-04-01T13:54:17 < stm32> no rant is complete without that
2017-04-01T13:55:23 < Steffanx> its not that you heard the same rant 2000 times now.
2017-04-01T13:55:27 < Emil> "DAE linux is shit desu desu desu"
2017-04-01T13:56:03 < Emil> How can anyone even believe that
2017-04-01T13:58:10 < PaulFertser> There's no Keil for linux, no SolidWorks, no Altium, no OrCAD. Makes one think!
2017-04-01T13:59:02 < PaulFertser> No VS too, and Eclipse is some memory-hog Java shit.
2017-04-01T13:59:43 < Emil> >eclipse
2017-04-01T13:59:50 < Emil> >keil
2017-04-01T13:59:56 < Emil> >altium
2017-04-01T14:00:00 < Emil> WEEW
2017-04-01T14:00:11 < dongs> pro tools
2017-04-01T14:00:13 < Emil> >orcad
2017-04-01T14:00:28 < Emil> dongs: maximum shilling
2017-04-01T14:00:28 < dongs> well ecxcept eclipse
2017-04-01T14:00:57 < dongs> Emil: i dont shill i just get work done
2017-04-01T14:00:58 < Emil> But yeah good cad tools are harder to find
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2017-04-01T14:01:01 < Steffanx> Good luck porting that hell of a delphi tool Altium to linux PaulFertser :P
2017-04-01T14:02:01 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: that's the point! Linux is really not suitable for serious software. All the libc ABI bumps, wth, that's just not something one can meaningfully deal with!
2017-04-01T14:02:49 < PaulFertser> I have a story for you. Cisco makes great hardware, high-performance, high-reliability network gear. Expensive, but when you can afford one, you buy one.
2017-04-01T14:03:18 < Emil> PaulFertser: I hope that was written in jest
2017-04-01T14:03:24 < PaulFertser> So they made a nice software called PacketTracer. Wanted to do it cross-platform to make *nix faggots happy, so they based it on top of Qt, a seemingly professional library.
2017-04-01T14:04:47 < PaulFertser> Guess what, setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH just can't help. That shitty Qt library still tries to load an "oxygen" plugin from system PATH. And that refers to system Qt. Version conflict, BAHM! So much for the Qt reputation!
2017-04-01T14:05:59 < dongs> lunix software is like java. write once, run nowhere
2017-04-01T14:06:12 < PaulFertser> Seriously, the whole "ecosystem" can only work semi-decently assuming all the software can be recompiled from the source code. WTH! How one protects his or her (!) intellectual property ever with an attitude like that?!
2017-04-01T14:06:30 < Emil> mfw the winshit shilling is real
2017-04-01T14:07:48 < PaulFertser> dongs: exactly. Good luck getting anything into Debian repos. It'll take years, even when it's "DFSG-compliant". And then you'll just have to keep telling the users "please ask your maintainer to upload a new version, I can do nothing about it." Providing a binary is not an option due to ABI changes.
2017-04-01T14:08:15 < ReadError> you know what pisses me off
2017-04-01T14:08:27 < ReadError> those damn html maillist views
2017-04-01T14:08:33 < ReadError> mailinglist*
2017-04-01T14:08:50 < PaulFertser> Not something suitable for real work. You need to get the job done, right, not to wait for some silly teenager maintainer to wake up in his parent's basement to make an upload. And then wait for the ftp-masters to verify it. Etc etc.
2017-04-01T14:09:12 < Steffanx> I love that. "Here add this repo to your list, because the version in the official debian repo is OOOOLD"
2017-04-01T14:09:40 < dongs> at least windows fucking nailed it with setup.exe and fucking done
2017-04-01T14:10:18 < dongs> and ytou dont have over 90000 distributions of windows with every file in different place
2017-04-01T14:10:20 < PaulFertser> Yeah, no shared libraries nonsense. Just bring everything you need along with your binary. Done. Start to work on the real job.
2017-04-01T14:12:05 < Steffanx> Does PaulFertser use windows much?
2017-04-01T14:12:15 < Emil> ....
2017-04-01T14:12:34 < Emil> I feel cancer developing from looking at this channel
2017-04-01T14:14:14 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: last time was 4 days ago, on my boss's PC. I secretely started it to enjoy Microsoft Windows 10 pretending I'm doing his job so as not to ruin my psycho-zealot reputation.
2017-04-01T14:14:57 < Steffanx> Emil, are you the first bad cell?
2017-04-01T14:16:13 < Steffanx> hah, ok PaulFertser. Im just kinda suprised because you seem to be invovled in the world of open sores so much
2017-04-01T14:16:14 < PaulFertser> Emil: do you disagree with the notion that popular GNU/Linux systems are poorly suitable for the majority of proprietary software, compared to Windows?
2017-04-01T14:16:17 < stm32> just found 30 potentiometers from senpioneer
2017-04-01T14:16:22 < Emil> Steffanx: no, PaulFertser and dongs have developed a strain that can transmit through telecommunication networks
2017-04-01T14:16:23 < stm32> amazing the shit you find laying around
2017-04-01T14:16:42 < Emil> PaulFertser: I fucking do
2017-04-01T14:17:01 < Emil> PaulFertser: you have made nothing but false comparisons and no real arguments
2017-04-01T14:17:48 < PaulFertser> Emil: ABI issues and shared libraries are really problematic for distributing binaries. And that PacketTracer example is real, had to deal with it today helping some poor fellow.
2017-04-01T14:19:28 < Emil> PaulFertser: ABI issues are just as prelevant on Winshit. Not to mention that _nothing_ stops you from packing in you own lib.
2017-04-01T14:19:31 < PaulFertser> dongs: these days setup.exe mostly boils down to an MSI procedure, so it now kinda resembles the regular package managers.
2017-04-01T14:19:55 < Emil> also shitting on repos when on Windows the procedure is to download from a website?
2017-04-01T14:19:58 < Emil> :DD
2017-04-01T14:19:59 < PaulFertser> Emil: well, Cisco packed their own Qt. But it still tried to load "plugins" from system directory.
2017-04-01T14:20:16 < Emil> PaulFertser: half assed development is not linux's fault
2017-04-01T14:20:32 < PaulFertser> Emil: when you say linux do you mean the kernel or the whole GNU/Linux OS?
2017-04-01T14:21:07 < dongs> < Emil> PaulFertser: half assed development is not linux's fault
2017-04-01T14:21:11 < dongs> it most certainly IS
2017-04-01T14:21:18 < PaulFertser> Qt is a major player in the free software movement. So it's kind of prominent.
2017-04-01T14:21:24 < dongs> nobody wants to write quality stuff beacuse they know they dont have to finish their job
2017-04-01T14:21:27 < dongs> just quick hack shit here and there
2017-04-01T14:21:30 < dongs> and ship alpha 0.1
2017-04-01T14:21:32 < Emil> both. You can change anything you want on "Linux" and bitching that Qt tries to do something is the developers fault, it is configurable
2017-04-01T14:21:36 < dongs> then some other bored faggot will try and fix your shit
2017-04-01T14:22:26 < PaulFertser> dongs: yep, the old Unix motto, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-ninety_rule
2017-04-01T14:23:25 < PaulFertser> Do the first 90% and it'll be good enough.
2017-04-01T14:24:55 < PaulFertser> Emil: it's just one example. Remember the efforts Xilinx had to go through trying to make their USB JTAG cables work on GNU/Linux systems?
2017-04-01T14:25:11 < dongs> only usb/jtag cables?
2017-04-01T14:25:20 < dongs> i'm prtetty sure lunix is the only reason xilinx neesd to ship THREE copies of JVM
2017-04-01T14:25:24 < dongs> wiht their tool set install
2017-04-01T14:28:25 < PaulFertser> dongs: their latest versions started to use libusb and it sort of fixed the problems though
2017-04-01T14:29:10 < dongs> maybe tyheyll start using zadig next
2017-04-01T14:29:40 < PaulFertser> No need for that, the kernel provides enough APIs to access any USB device from userspace reliably, without messing with the drivers anyhow.
2017-04-01T14:29:57 < dongs> what kjernel
2017-04-01T14:30:01 < PaulFertser> Linux
2017-04-01T14:30:11 < PaulFertser> And FreeBSD, and OpenBSD
2017-04-01T14:30:53 < PaulFertser> On windows vendors used to buy Jidgo or similar stuff, or writing their custom drivers. Not a big deal for a corporation like Xilinx of course.
2017-04-01T14:31:48 < Steffanx> Jungo?
2017-04-01T14:31:53 < PaulFertser> Yes
2017-04-01T14:38:11 < PaulFertser> Emil: providing a really reliable package of some serious proprietary software for a GNU/Linux system would require something like full chroot. And then you'll still have plenty of folks complaining about their odd ARM notebooks or support for Wayland or system HTTP proxy settings or some insane X forwarding scheme etc etc.
2017-04-01T14:39:01 < PaulFertser> That's in case you do not need to talk to webcams or other hardware. If you do, well, you're really screwed.
2017-04-01T14:40:47 < dongs> naturally every lunix dweeb is in complete denial over this
2017-04-01T14:41:26 < dongs> all your problems are because you are not running distro X
2017-04-01T14:41:39 < dongs> if you did that, then you dont need to carea bout http proxy settings or x forwarding
2017-04-01T14:41:42 < Steffanx> MacOs <3
2017-04-01T14:42:11 < Steffanx> Where is stm32?
2017-04-01T14:42:19 < PaulFertser> OS X -- single distro, and still vendors are providing DMGs or whatever, all libraries bundled.
2017-04-01T14:42:20 < stm32> pots
2017-04-01T14:42:50 < Steffanx> ?23mts yhw
2017-04-01T14:43:08 < stm32> potentiometers
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2017-04-01T14:46:43 < stm32> so what did you need Steffanx
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2017-04-01T14:55:19 < Steffanx> Did i say i need something stm32?
2017-04-01T14:55:31 < Steffanx> $100k is always welcome though
2017-04-01T14:56:19 < stm32> yeah same
2017-04-01T14:59:51 < PaulFertser> Emil: you know Penguitronix, right? The guy from there gave a talk basically saying that if you need to support your product for a few years, you just have to contribute your code to upstream. Else you'll develop a mess pretty soon. But have you tried pushing anything to upstream Linux, do you know how hard it is, do you think vendors want to do that plenty of additional work when the code
2017-04-01T14:59:57 < PaulFertser> already works nicely?
2017-04-01T15:01:05 < PaulFertser> So not only GNU/Linux is problematic for user application vendors, it's also quickly becoming a PITA for those using it for embedded!
2017-04-01T15:01:37 < dongs> totally.
2017-04-01T15:01:45 < dongs> when i had a lunix kernel driver that i was building out of tree for my hardware
2017-04-01T15:02:02 < dongs> i was basicalyl told, in order not to have to update it for every minor kernel version, i'd have to relicense it as GPL and submit it into teh kernel
2017-04-01T15:02:12 < PaulFertser> http://linuxgizmos.com/keeping-linux-devices-secure-with-rigorous-long-term-maintenance/
2017-04-01T15:02:17 < dongs> yeah, beacuse i really need a driver for odddball hardware that maybe ~100 people use to be in the mainline kernel
2017-04-01T15:09:29 < Steffanx> hah, for some reason that guy strikes me as the typical linux guy :D
2017-04-01T15:09:35 < Steffanx> @ photo from PaulFertser's post
2017-04-01T15:09:37 < Steffanx> *link
2017-04-01T15:09:50 < dongs> lol...
2017-04-01T15:09:59 < dongs> i thought it was gonna be eitherthat
2017-04-01T15:10:05 < dongs> or some bearded mess like RMS
2017-04-01T15:10:06 < PaulFertser> BTW, he worked for OpenMoko failproject.
2017-04-01T15:10:29 < stm32> lol
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2017-04-01T15:11:16 < Steffanx> Damn, why happened to you PaulFertser? I thought you were so pro open sores and into things like openmoko
2017-04-01T15:11:58 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I'm pro free software, I do not usually mention "open source" as this wording kind of missing the point.
2017-04-01T15:12:16 < stm32> stallman
2017-04-01T15:12:18 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: also, it's hard to deny openmoko was a failure in the end...
2017-04-01T15:12:19 < stm32> confirmed.
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2017-04-01T15:12:58 < dongs> openmoco only claim to fame is gicving out USB IDs and getting banned by USB-IF
2017-04-01T15:13:17 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: and yes, I'm really thinking that free software operating systems are very problematic targets for proprietary vendors.
2017-04-01T15:13:55 < PaulFertser> dongs: hm, do you know something I do not? Haven't heard USB folks were going to ban OM.
2017-04-01T15:14:20 < dongs> i know someone who was reselling IDs got banned
2017-04-01T15:14:25 < dongs> might no have been them
2017-04-01T15:14:31 < PaulFertser> Also, what would be the actual result of a ban, they won't get the OM VID reused anyway :)
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2017-04-01T15:15:15 < dongs> PaulFertser: that was exactly the result
2017-04-01T15:15:24 < dongs> they got "banned" but since the ID cannot be revoked
2017-04-01T15:15:33 < dongs> he just continued, with a warning that this VID has been revoked by usb-if
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2017-04-01T15:18:01 < PaulFertser> dongs: there's also pid.codes but they require both software and hardware to be free while OM requires either.
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2017-04-01T15:18:56 < Laurenceb_> some hawt april fools
2017-04-01T15:19:10 < stm32> u wot
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2017-04-01T15:21:21 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/
2017-04-01T15:22:00 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, have you heard about http://neo900.org/ ? You might want to consider trolling "opensourcerers" by requesting them to support the campaign.
2017-04-01T15:22:38 < dongs> o yeah seen
2017-04-01T15:22:39 < dongs> that shit is aids
2017-04-01T15:23:09 < PaulFertser> The most free and protecting your privacy device in the works. Hence, a must.
2017-04-01T15:23:47 < Laurenceb_> still better than iphone
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2017-04-01T15:34:55 < Steffanx> what
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2017-04-01T16:01:37 < Steffanx> Activator.
2017-04-01T16:02:09 < aandrew> dongs: nah, I know all about cypress psoc but haven't played with programmable logic in MCUs of any other type
2017-04-01T16:02:20 < aandrew> < englishman> semi-cpld stuff seems like a crutch for bad periphs
2017-04-01T16:02:21 < aandrew> yes and no
2017-04-01T16:02:56 < aandrew> sometimes you just need a tiny bit of logic and that's what that's useful for, but I question whether locking yourself down to a specific mcu just to get it is worthwhile considering 1Z parts are pennies and tiny
2017-04-01T16:03:50 < aandrew> I need to play with protobufs a little more
2017-04-01T16:05:21 < aandrew> < stm32> bias me fucken diode
2017-04-01T16:05:28 < aandrew> sounds like an electronics pirate
2017-04-01T16:05:49 < aandrew> ARRR YE BLOODY PN JUNCTIONS, COWER AT ME LOW VDS
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2017-04-01T16:06:04 < HorizonSet_> Batton down the latches!
2017-04-01T16:06:35 < aandrew> lol
2017-04-01T16:09:17 < HorizonSet_> puns are dope
2017-04-01T16:12:52 < aandrew> does anyone have an altium board outline that will line up with the discovery boards 2x dual row I/O connectors?
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2017-04-01T16:36:48 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QXauX7YtZU
2017-04-01T16:37:52 < Steffanx> You dont do popular culture Laurenceb_...
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2017-04-01T17:28:52 < zyp> aandrew, no matter what periph you're using, you're still «locking» yourself to a vendor when you're using a vendor periph
2017-04-01T17:29:12 < aandrew> yes, to an extent
2017-04-01T17:29:40 < aandrew> but when you're saying *this specific part* you lock yourself out of even other parts in the same family (e.g. you can't move within a family)
2017-04-01T17:29:47 < aandrew> stm32 you can move around fairly easily
2017-04-01T17:29:52 < aandrew> even with pic and avr you can
2017-04-01T17:29:59 < Steffanx> englishman did you ever figure out what this spi issue while debugging was?
2017-04-01T17:30:05 < englishman> nop
2017-04-01T17:30:06 < aandrew> but if you want avr+glue logic instead of avr+external glue it's more restrictive
2017-04-01T17:30:46 < englishman> lol at "ABI issues are just as prelevant on Winshit" tho
2017-04-01T17:31:05 < englishman> anything programmed in the last 20 years will fun fine in windows by opening the .exe
2017-04-01T17:31:13 < englishman> try taht on linux
2017-04-01T17:31:14 < Steffanx> "fine".
2017-04-01T17:31:58 < Steffanx> I still cannot run my favourite year 2000 game on windows 10, properly.
2017-04-01T17:32:09 < englishman> steffan i'd also like $100k, want to do a dickstarter?
2017-04-01T17:32:19 < Steffanx> Waffle maker?
2017-04-01T17:34:02 < englishman> sure, find one on aliexpress to resell?
2017-04-01T17:34:04 < englishman> maybe with bluetooth
2017-04-01T17:34:25 < Steffanx> waffle making requires skill and pro tools
2017-04-01T17:34:49 < englishman> IoW
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2017-04-01T17:47:45 < Steffanx> :D
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2017-04-01T20:27:30 < Steffanx> Where does a normal non-production guy buy solder paste?
2017-04-01T20:27:37 < Steffanx> and not ebay or china
2017-04-01T20:28:03 < Steffanx> and not in huge quantities
2017-04-01T20:32:03 < branjb> digikey
2017-04-01T20:32:17 < Steffanx> or farnell i guess
2017-04-01T20:32:59 < branjb> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/chip-quik-inc/SMD291AX/SMD291AX-ND/1160002
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2017-04-01T20:36:48 < Steffanx> thanks, farnell is closer and seems to sell it too
2017-04-01T20:36:57 < Steffanx> closer.. that's not really relevant
2017-04-01T20:37:09 < Steffanx> but doesnt require me to order for > 50e ( for no shipping costs)
2017-04-01T20:38:47 < branjb> oh yeah those EU free markets
2017-04-01T20:39:12 < branjb> there's no local shops you can buy it from?
2017-04-01T20:39:46 < Steffanx> No.
2017-04-01T20:41:12 < Steffanx> farnell is pretty local.
2017-04-01T20:41:18 < Steffanx> but no local physical shops
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2017-04-01T21:15:45 < englishman> Steffanx: i used this back in the pre-permian period when i was using leaded solder https://www.cmlsupply.com/kester-ep256-lead-solder-paste-63-37-syringe-dispenser/
2017-04-01T21:22:32 < englishman> fuuu this "secret number" in the AXSEM register generation tool unlocks all the advanced radio features
2017-04-01T21:22:33 < englishman> w
2017-04-01T21:22:33 < englishman> t
2017-04-01T21:22:33 < englishman> f
2017-04-01T21:24:19 < emeb_mac> which part?
2017-04-01T21:25:30 < englishman> ax5043/ax5243
2017-04-01T21:30:51 < englishman> there are also secret registers
2017-04-01T21:30:54 < englishman> onchip
2017-04-01T21:31:08 < emeb_mac> weird stuff
2017-04-01T21:31:57 < emeb_mac> Onsemi has so much odd stuff lately.
2017-04-01T21:32:02 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-01T21:32:13 < englishman> this is from a swiss company they purchased a couple years ago
2017-04-01T21:32:22 < englishman> that has a bunch of mishmashed stuff
2017-04-01T21:32:29 < englishman> but this one transceiver is really interesting
2017-04-01T21:32:33 < emeb_mac> I remember when they were spun out of Motorola Semi and did mostly discrete and small logic / analog stuff.
2017-04-01T21:33:00 < emeb_mac> They had the old 52nd street fab in Phoenix
2017-04-01T21:33:19 < emeb_mac> AFAIK the closed all that down.
2017-04-01T21:34:10 < englishman> phoenix sounds like a cool place for a semi guy
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2017-04-01T21:34:41 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/CanineHospitableEskimodog
2017-04-01T21:35:02 < emeb_mac> PHX *used* to be big in semi
2017-04-01T21:35:03 < englishman> and south california looks like a cool place to lose all your brain cells
2017-04-01T21:35:09 < emeb_mac> not so much lately
2017-04-01T21:35:20 < emeb_mac> about the only stuff here now is Microchip and Intel
2017-04-01T21:35:32 < englishman> only the small startups
2017-04-01T21:36:33 < emeb_mac> some of my old coworkers have been involved in some startups. they're mostly made of fail
2017-04-01T21:37:38 < englishman> you have to decide who will buy you out before you even start the company
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2017-04-01T21:47:04 < kakimir> anyone know how to have aptx codec with win10?
2017-04-01T21:47:16 < kakimir> intel wireless
2017-04-01T21:48:15 < Steffanx> englishman, i guess farnell is a better option, because shipping costs.
2017-04-01T21:48:37 < englishman> yeah it was steep for me too. but i got some other crap from him
2017-04-01T21:48:40 < kakimir> default bluetooth audio sucks
2017-04-01T21:49:05 < kakimir> it's unusable for anything requiring sync
2017-04-01T21:50:11 < kakimir> sure for blasting music from stereo set while you are different side of the room..
2017-04-01T21:52:07 < Steffanx> No clue kakimir
2017-04-01T21:52:24 < kakimir> I have aptX receiver
2017-04-01T21:58:22 < kakimir> okay I need CSR harmony software
2017-04-01T21:58:54 < kakimir> Cambridge Silicon Radio
2017-04-01T21:58:59 < kakimir> sounds old
2017-04-01T21:59:58 < kakimir> oh.. it's for the dongle..
2017-04-01T22:00:24 < kakimir> that bt4.0 chinadongle that says CSR on it
2017-04-01T22:00:50 < aandrew> heh
2017-04-01T22:01:00 < aandrew> in my projects folder I have a directory called "generic_arm_shit"
2017-04-01T22:01:04 < aandrew> I don't remember creating that
2017-04-01T22:01:19 < Steffanx> Dongs touched your computer.
2017-04-01T22:02:28 < kakimir> it's weird only leelo has touched my computer on this channel
2017-04-01T22:02:57 < Steffanx> What did she do to it?
2017-04-01T22:03:40 < kakimir> not much
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2017-04-01T22:50:33 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ecdn5SGT1E
2017-04-01T22:55:02 < kakimir> waiting to see all those cumulus clouds in the summer
2017-04-01T22:58:15 < kakimir> and cumulus nimbus
2017-04-01T22:58:40 < kakimir> http://weather.ou.edu/~smglenn/cumulus.jpg
2017-04-01T23:00:15 < kakimir> you can park a glider under one and climb or just run them in row
2017-04-01T23:01:52 < Steffanx> :)
2017-04-01T23:02:33 < kakimir> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uRIlq5ZhNYE/UgGLPzwox7I/AAAAAAAAETU/QO2MbbQcRvQ/s1600/cloud+chart.jpg theme of the night is - cloud types
2017-04-01T23:05:34 < kakimir> under cumulus nimbus that is about to rain there is convection so strong is just starts swallowing the plane
2017-04-01T23:07:27 < englishman> little fluffy clouds is giving me flashbacks
2017-04-01T23:07:37 < kakimir> 90s?
2017-04-01T23:07:55 < englishman> 90s
2017-04-01T23:11:15 < kakimir> how old you were then?
2017-04-01T23:11:24 < Steffanx> You're old englishman
2017-04-01T23:11:31 < kakimir> I was 0-9 in the 90s
2017-04-01T23:11:36 < englishman> takes one to know one
2017-04-01T23:12:09 < Steffanx> Nah, i dont know that song, as i was still a little Steffanx back then
2017-04-01T23:12:15 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/EZoqOkk.jpg
2017-04-01T23:14:55 < jadew> check this out, I tried the whole day erase the data from that SSD that failed me a couple of months ago, so I can take it to warranty and get my money back/replacement
2017-04-01T23:15:08 < jadew> I finally succeeded and now it's freaking working
2017-04-01T23:15:25 < jadew> so I'm trying to break it again, but with garbage data
2017-04-01T23:16:10 < jadew> and filling 1 Tb is painfully slow
2017-04-01T23:16:52 < jadew> (might not even break this time)
2017-04-01T23:17:11 < Steffanx> Just help it a little with your soldering iron
2017-04-01T23:17:17 < jadew> haha
2017-04-01T23:17:59 < jadew> if I do that it has to be permanent, otherwise there's a chance they'll fix it and they'll send it back to me
2017-04-01T23:18:56 < jadew> more like help it with a well applied voltage
2017-04-01T23:20:19 < jadew> I think dongs has a video where he's "repairing" something with a high voltage generator :P
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2017-04-01T23:24:00 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_P-54lzDc
2017-04-01T23:27:07 < Steffanx> timecop who else.
2017-04-01T23:32:46 < kakimir> englishman: you have new holland tractor?
2017-04-01T23:32:49 < kakimir> or case?
2017-04-01T23:33:06 < englishman> t7
2017-04-01T23:33:21 < englishman> there is one very old case on the farm i think
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2017-04-01T23:34:56 < kakimir> I can't really figure it out if you are a farmer
2017-04-01T23:35:12 < kakimir> or do some EE for living
2017-04-01T23:35:54 < englishman> im not a farmer
2017-04-01T23:36:05 < englishman> but a farm surrounds me
2017-04-01T23:36:32 < kakimir> and you have CNH parts papers
2017-04-01T23:36:47 < englishman> oh yeah wifeishman went to a tractor gps course
2017-04-01T23:37:13 < kakimir> your wafi is the farmer?
2017-04-01T23:37:34 < englishman> no but shes started a greenhouse business
2017-04-01T23:37:36 < englishman> for vegetables
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2017-04-01T23:47:36 < kakimir> I don't get the connection
2017-04-01T23:48:41 < kakimir> how CNH and GPS course and greenhouse business are related
2017-04-01T23:50:53 < englishman> cnh wants to sell gps parts
2017-04-01T23:51:00 < englishman> so they get farmers educated on them
2017-04-01T23:53:02 < kakimir> oh
2017-04-01T23:53:10 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/a4zuwwuz2ooy.png
2017-04-01T23:54:44 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gallery/Qv9Z5
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2017-04-02T00:02:37 < tpw_rules> upgrdman: my favorite was always an email picker that had a dropdown box for each letter
2017-04-02T00:02:43 < tpw_rules> plus more buttons to add more letters
2017-04-02T00:02:47 < tpw_rules> it's simple in its evil
2017-04-02T00:03:01 < upgrdman> nice
2017-04-02T00:03:59 < tpw_rules> my favorite of those is the pi one tho
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2017-04-02T01:30:01 < Laurenceb_> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421051/?pf_rd_m=A2FGELUUNOQJNL&pf_rd_p=2239794342&pf_rd_r=0JM6R42D0EJCAYS1HJ23&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_t=15506&pf_rd_i=bottom&ref_=chtbtm_tt_4
2017-04-02T01:30:13 < Laurenceb_>  this movie is one of the reasons you seriously start to doubt, that freedom of thought is a good idea
2017-04-02T01:30:19 < Laurenceb_> Germ-man confirmed
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2017-04-02T02:13:24 < Kitlith> "Voted "best movie of all time" in a survey by German magazine "Cinema." The movie was later disqualified because either pranksters or Daniel Küblböck fans had manipulated the voting."
2017-04-02T02:14:00  * englishman sips on a cool can of "hitler did nothing wrong"
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2017-04-02T03:47:18 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/04/01/ask-hackaday-which-balaclava-is-best-for-hacking/
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2017-04-02T04:14:20 < dongs> https://twitter.com/McDonalds/status/847437430693052418 lol
2017-04-02T04:17:40 < englishman> ?
2017-04-02T04:17:49 < dongs> hm replies on mobile were much funnier
2017-04-02T04:17:50 < Thorn> I think I actually fixed my random DMA bugs by checking if the transfer is in already in progress :/
2017-04-02T04:18:03 < Thorn> definitely a dongs moment there
2017-04-02T04:18:11 < dongs> englishman: when i clicked that shit on the phone, most of hte top replies weer asking "fresh as opposed to what" and "waht have we been eating up until now"
2017-04-02T04:18:20 < englishman> heh
2017-04-02T04:18:23 < englishman> censored no doubt
2017-04-02T04:19:26 < Laurenceb_> lul
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2017-04-02T04:19:33 < Laurenceb_> as opposed to rotten beef
2017-04-02T04:19:37 < englishman> but no doubt
2017-04-02T04:19:46 < englishman> if you are following a fast food company on twitter
2017-04-02T04:19:59 < englishman> there arent that many brain cells in your head to rub together and come up with a reply
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2017-04-02T04:23:04 < dongs> you coulda just said "if you are on twitter"
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2017-04-02T04:26:02 < englishman> speak for yourself phil
2017-04-02T04:26:20 < englishman> hmm on that topic st hasnt replied to my tweet yet
2017-04-02T04:26:39 < dongs> do tehy normally
2017-04-02T04:27:24 < englishman> last time was ~8 months
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2017-04-02T04:35:00 < Laurenceb_> phil??
2017-04-02T04:35:07 < Laurenceb_> dongs is called phil?
2017-04-02T04:35:53 < dongs> Laurenceb_: https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy
2017-04-02T04:35:56 < dongs> my twatter
2017-04-02T04:36:07 < Laurenceb_> ah, I knew a guy called Phil once
2017-04-02T04:36:14 < Laurenceb_> but then he joined ISIS
2017-04-02T04:36:22 < Laurenceb_> true story
2017-04-02T04:37:34 < Laurenceb_> in the media they said he was "bullied at school"
2017-04-02T04:37:43  * Laurenceb_ looks around innocently
2017-04-02T04:38:43 < Laurenceb_>  "don't bully ppl kids, cuz they might flip out, convert to islam and become terrorists"
2017-04-02T04:40:32 < Laurenceb_> typical Brit https://senjatarohani.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/bule-muslim-inggris-kampanye-daerah-di-kontrol-shariah-islam.jpg
2017-04-02T04:41:12 < englishman> irc is harram
2017-04-02T04:42:52 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZadoLOZkJ4
2017-04-02T04:43:37 < Thorn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_cat
2017-04-02T04:51:51 < englishman> wow
2017-04-02T04:52:01 < englishman> very high quality kittens
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2017-04-02T06:05:57 < dongs> Some people who have undergone gender reassignment surgery have reported the sensation of phantom genitals. The reports were less common among post-operative transgender women, but did occur in transgender men. Similarly, subjects who had undergone mastectomy reported experiencing phantom breasts; these reports were substantially less common among post-operative transgender men, but did occur in transgender women.
2017-04-02T06:06:07 < dongs> need leelooman to confirm
2017-04-02T06:20:10 < dongs> absolute waste
2017-04-02T06:20:52 < dongs> there's not hing of value on 30 years old apple2 floppies
2017-04-02T06:24:18 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS7NY5qmOiA what the fuck
2017-04-02T06:24:20 < aandrew> hm
2017-04-02T06:24:31 < aandrew> is there some idiot rule when working with backup sram?
2017-04-02T06:24:40 < dongs> you mean BKUP registers?
2017-04-02T06:24:44 < dongs> you have to enable writes to them iirc
2017-04-02T06:24:51 < aandrew> I set the pwr clock and the backup sram clock and I can access it just fine
2017-04-02T06:25:03 < aandrew> but it seems if I do it too quick the writes don't take
2017-04-02T06:25:09 < dongs> no
2017-04-02T06:25:10 < aandrew> single step it and it works flawlessly
2017-04-02T06:25:26 < dongs>     PWR_BackupAccessCmd(ENABLE);
2017-04-02T06:25:29 < dongs> did you do this one?
2017-04-02T06:26:06 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/0cwTxR2G
2017-04-02T06:26:12 < aandrew> HAL_PWR_EnableBkUpAccess() is what I'm using
2017-04-02T06:26:15 < aandrew> since I'm on Cube
2017-04-02T06:26:21 < dongs> right
2017-04-02T06:26:31 < dongs> i have this followed by write immediately and no problems
2017-04-02T06:26:42 < aandrew> that function works correctly if single stepped and reads fine but does not update (set to zero) if running normally
2017-04-02T06:26:43 < dongs> i have not seen anything in datasheets about timing after enable
2017-04-02T06:27:22 < dongs> F4 right?
2017-04-02T06:27:36 < aandrew> F207
2017-04-02T06:28:03 < dongs> why teh fuck would you use hal on 207 lol
2017-04-02T06:28:30 < aandrew> why not?
2017-04-02T06:28:38 < aandrew> got a decent little ethernet system going here
2017-04-02T06:29:14 < dongs> BKPSRAM 0.21mA
2017-04-02T06:29:15 < aandrew> TFTP, COAP, Telnet, SNMP (both manager and agent), maybe eventually SNTP
2017-04-02T06:29:18 < dongs> wow, thatsa  lot of current
2017-04-02T06:29:24 < dongs> for like what, 16 bytes of shit?
2017-04-02T06:29:34 < aandrew> 80 but yeah it's not great
2017-04-02T06:30:02 < dongs> oh wait
2017-04-02T06:30:06 < dongs> theres 4k of backup sram
2017-04-02T06:30:14 < dongs> *and* 20 registers
2017-04-02T06:30:23 < aandrew> orite
2017-04-02T06:30:23 < ReadError> http://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2017/03/30/watch-all-light-disappear-into-this-material-orig-tc.cnn
2017-04-02T06:30:26 < ReadError> awesomes
2017-04-02T06:37:54 < dongs> next time a nigga takes off with your TV, you will perceive him as a flat object
2017-04-02T06:39:42 < dongs> aandrew: anyway, donno about F2 but I've used bkpregisters on F1, F3, F4 and had no problems with timing, ever
2017-04-02T06:42:42 < aandrew> i belive it
2017-04-02T06:42:46 < aandrew> believe even
2017-04-02T06:55:55 < englishman> hm cool, teachers are allowed to beat students as punishment in 19 states
2017-04-02T06:58:47 < ReadError> lol that shit was legal in my middleschool
2017-04-02T06:59:09 < ReadError> assistant principal tried to pull that shit on me
2017-04-02T06:59:19 < ReadError> but they need parental permission
2017-04-02T06:59:25 < tpw_rules> ReadError: yeah and it's like locked down because it's like a national secret and only one artist has a license to use it
2017-04-02T06:59:28 < ReadError> my dad told him to fuck off
2017-04-02T06:59:29 < tpw_rules> it's super weird and gross
2017-04-02T07:00:29 < englishman> hey papaerror just calling to ask permission to use my belt on your child he was caught throwing a paper airplane
2017-04-02T07:01:05 < ReadError> well i called him a bitch and ended up getting suspended for 3 days
2017-04-02T07:01:12 < ReadError> i wasnt good then
2017-04-02T07:06:24 < aandrew> heh
2017-04-02T07:06:35 < aandrew> so I spent a good while trying to figure out why tftp uploads weren't working
2017-04-02T07:06:39 < aandrew> I forgot to specify binary transfer mode
2017-04-02T07:06:55 < aandrew> then a while later my flashing routine would hang the system because it was writing way off the end of flash
2017-04-02T07:07:01 < aandrew> I was trying to tftp an .elf file not the .bin
2017-04-02T07:07:18 < aandrew> not been my most pro day
2017-04-02T07:07:42 < aandrew> hm
2017-04-02T07:07:48 < aandrew> I think I just solved the backup sram issue though
2017-04-02T07:08:13 < aandrew> I issued HAL_PWREx_EnableBkUpReg() as well
2017-04-02T07:08:41 < aandrew> I wonder if there was enough leakage though some sneak path that you could write ot the reg slowly
2017-04-02T07:08:55 < aandrew> that's not in the docs that you have to enablet he 1.2V regulator to access the backup SRAM
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2017-04-02T07:26:56 < ohsix> butts
2017-04-02T07:27:14 < aandrew> yep, that PWREx is important, and it also seems important that it occur AFTER you enable write access (disable the write disable)
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2017-04-02T07:38:02 < dongs> weird
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2017-04-02T07:39:02 < aandrew> ohsix: yeah
2017-04-02T07:39:11 < ohsix> aandrew: nice
2017-04-02T07:39:16 < ohsix> ethernet or wut
2017-04-02T07:39:23 < ohsix> hm
2017-04-02T07:39:37 < ohsix> not a bad way to go actually, stub could grab tftp shit and load it into ram
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2017-04-02T07:41:55 < ohsix> vroom
2017-04-02T07:44:12 < aandrew> yes
2017-04-02T07:44:15 < aandrew> for firmware updates
2017-04-02T07:44:45 < dongs> the only use for bkp shit i have is persistent ram between reboots or storing rtc details
2017-04-02T07:45:42 < dongs> what the fuck this garbage software wants to install .NUT 3.5
2017-04-02T07:45:48 < dongs> when i tried to do that in VM
2017-04-02T07:45:57 < dongs> win7 vm tells me "you nmust use add/remove programs" shit to configure that
2017-04-02T07:46:01 < dongs> FUCkj
2017-04-02T07:49:15 < ReadError> ohsix: for 18650 ?
2017-04-02T07:51:45 < ReadError> the chinese stole my magnet charger shit
2017-04-02T07:56:19 < ohsix> ReadError: did you have a product or just think you may have thought of it first? :p
2017-04-02T07:56:32 < ohsix> people have been using magnets to stick batteries together since wayback
2017-04-02T07:56:37 < ReadError> no it just didnt exist
2017-04-02T07:56:48 < ReadError> i wasnt sticking them together
2017-04-02T07:57:05 < ReadError> the idea was a small as possible charger that would work w/ real cells
2017-04-02T07:57:14 < ReadError> and it didnt exist afaik
2017-04-02T07:57:34 < ohsix> ReadError: one like this shit but with an lcd and maybe a button/modes for discharge https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1XOu2NXXXXXaXXXXXq6xXFXXXD/Hot-Selling-Universal-Dual-Battery-font-b-Charger-b-font-font-b-18650-b-font-font.jpg
2017-04-02T07:57:57 < ohsix> ReadError: well, fair enough, but i don't think you mentioned it before now and i though tof the same thing lul
2017-04-02T07:58:10 < ReadError> nah i mentioned it
2017-04-02T07:58:12 < ohsix> you can even use the voltage to see what chemistry it is!111 and how many in series, to a point
2017-04-02T07:58:13 < ReadError> PeterM remembers
2017-04-02T07:58:23 < ohsix> i haven't been here for that long, all things considered
2017-04-02T08:02:54 < ohsix> but, tha tsucks
2017-04-02T08:03:00 < englishman> omfg nice chinglish
2017-04-02T08:03:11 < ohsix> i've been seeing them around the internettes the last few days, big clive had one
2017-04-02T08:06:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmmmm. At the moment, I am only getting the first byte of packet of data from teh USB bulk transfer.
2017-04-02T08:06:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> How does usb know to send data? on the uC side?
2017-04-02T08:08:53 < ohsix> need another class of widgets to buy a bunch of that are all less than 3$
2017-04-02T08:09:31 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: host polls it, dunno what that means for bulk transfers tho
2017-04-02T08:09:39 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmmmmmm.
2017-04-02T08:09:45 < ohsix> and helpfulnothelpful: the spec says this stuff :p
2017-04-02T08:10:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> aha
2017-04-02T08:10:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> The spec is also big.
2017-04-02T08:37:18 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: yea but it's organized pretty well
2017-04-02T08:37:21 < ohsix> let me look
2017-04-02T08:37:44 < ohsix> i thought i wouldn't have time to finish finding shit if i started
2017-04-02T08:39:20 < ohsix> chapter 5 in usb_20...whatever
2017-04-02T08:41:44 < dongs>  http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U11C70.pdf lol
2017-04-02T08:42:00 < dongs> 11C70
2017-04-02T08:42:10 < dongs>  and 11C99
2017-04-02T08:42:57 < aandrew> do you like just search for this stuff?
2017-04-02T08:43:02 < dongs> what stuff
2017-04-02T08:43:07 < aandrew> you seem to find this shit way more than what I'd suspect at random
2017-04-02T08:47:29 < ohsix> pipez
2017-04-02T08:47:43 < ohsix> you mean you aren't constantly looking for nazi symbology aandrew?
2017-04-02T08:48:07 < ohsix> there are people that see dicks everywhere too
2017-04-02T09:16:15 < dongs> what the shit
2017-04-02T09:16:22 < dongs> how long does regular loctite take to fucking harden
2017-04-02T09:16:27 < dongs> i expected that shit to be superglue-like shit
2017-04-02T09:23:27 < ohsix> it's anerobic
2017-04-02T09:23:29 < ohsix> buttdick
2017-04-02T09:23:50 < ohsix> need to put shear forces on it and wrench it out, still takes time to cure tho
2017-04-02T09:33:12 < emeb_mac> so dongular - https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/mk2-with-leaflet.jpg
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2017-04-02T09:53:48 < aandrew> *sigh*
2017-04-02T09:53:57 < aandrew> april 1 is the worst day on the internet
2017-04-02T09:54:16 < emeb_mac> yes
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2017-04-02T11:11:40 < scrotal_bonus> yo
2017-04-02T11:11:47 < scrotal_bonus> anyone deal with renesas shit here?
2017-04-02T11:12:03 < scrotal_bonus> i got a S7 IoT kit
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2017-04-02T12:50:56 < kakimir> hello
2017-04-02T12:51:30 < kakimir> how is guise today?
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2017-04-02T12:53:33 < stm32> have a sniff
2017-04-02T12:56:40 < kakimir> you are random
2017-04-02T12:58:13 < kakimir> what should we innovate today
2017-04-02T12:58:26 < kakimir> oh I need to make a code for hx711
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2017-04-02T12:59:52 < stm32> okay
2017-04-02T12:59:55 < stm32> make a code.
2017-04-02T13:02:29 < kakimir> I think I need to find a frequency that is suitable for the control application and hx711 reading both
2017-04-02T13:03:20 < kakimir> then place the callbacks in the interrupt
2017-04-02T13:03:37 < stm32> cool
2017-04-02T13:03:41 < stm32> did you try 15ghz
2017-04-02T13:04:08 < kakimir> I thinks 15ghz wont stick to silicon anymore
2017-04-02T13:04:56 < stm32> hmmm
2017-04-02T13:04:59 < stm32> that's a shame then
2017-04-02T13:05:38 < stm32> i want your LED board kakimir
2017-04-02T13:06:18 < kakimir> you say I need to kickstart it?
2017-04-02T13:06:50 < stm32> yah
2017-04-02T13:06:53 < stm32> you'd get fuckloads
2017-04-02T13:08:29 < kakimir> I need to select connectors
2017-04-02T13:08:46 < kakimir> power input mainly
2017-04-02T13:08:54 < kakimir> because there might be like 10amps easy
2017-04-02T13:09:15 < kakimir> I have to keep it splashproof and low resistance
2017-04-02T13:09:43 < stm32> why not SMA
2017-04-02T13:09:59 < kakimir> not low resistance
2017-04-02T13:10:44 < stm32> ohwell
2017-04-02T13:10:53 < kakimir> I mean I have some fets that are 0.00.. something ohms
2017-04-02T13:11:21 < stm32> yeah i love fets
2017-04-02T13:11:58 < kakimir> and those still put out like a watt per one just the forward current loss when fully switched and even more if we count everything else
2017-04-02T13:12:20 < kakimir> so the connector needs to be at the same magnitude too
2017-04-02T13:14:20 < kakimir> I wonder if golded M5 bolts placed thru the casing would be it
2017-04-02T13:15:15 < kakimir> placed in kind of plastic isolator slash seal
2017-04-02T13:16:01 < kakimir> anyone know those?
2017-04-02T13:18:24 < Streaker> http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/dam/public/wiringdevices/interconnect/Products/Subsea_Connectors/mil-c-24368_shore_power.JPG
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2017-04-02T13:20:36 < stm32> kakimir: how many ampies
2017-04-02T13:21:28 < kakimir> 15amps fuse
2017-04-02T13:22:11 < kakimir> I think there might be 13-14amps at UVLO
2017-04-02T13:22:22 < kakimir> normal operation under 10amps
2017-04-02T13:24:09 < stm32> yeah you don't need bolts for that
2017-04-02T13:24:20 < kakimir> I don't
2017-04-02T13:24:21 < stm32> te connectivity have plenty of cheap shits
2017-04-02T13:24:36 < kakimir> I still want to make it pretty universal
2017-04-02T13:24:46 < stm32> easy enough
2017-04-02T13:24:58 < stm32> sell kakimir proprietary connectors to go with iut
2017-04-02T13:25:02 < stm32> *it
2017-04-02T13:25:09 < kakimir> what is more universal than 2 bolts sticking thru the enclosure?
2017-04-02T13:25:18 < stm32> phoenix connectas
2017-04-02T13:25:37 < kakimir> enlighten me
2017-04-02T13:26:53 < stm32> want a lmgtfy link?
2017-04-02T13:27:13 < stm32> or ip rated anderson connectors
2017-04-02T13:27:21 < stm32> depends on your spergfactor mate
2017-04-02T13:27:28 < kakimir> google it for me
2017-04-02T13:27:39 < kakimir> thanks
2017-04-02T13:28:11 < kakimir> how do I know what you mean just by googling "phoenix connectors"
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2017-04-02T13:30:46 < kakimir> https://www.phoenixcontact.com/assets/images_ed/global/web_content_mobile/pic_con_a_0064762_int.jpg interesting
2017-04-02T13:30:58 < kakimir> is that some actual EV socket type?
2017-04-02T13:33:36 < kakimir> stm32: you are seriously suggesting that I should make ripoff money with accesory connector set?
2017-04-02T13:33:49 < stm32> yeah
2017-04-02T13:33:58 < stm32> you might make some money off this in that respect
2017-04-02T13:34:12 < stm32> cause there are a million cloners in china doing LED*
2017-04-02T13:34:15 < kakimir> you are actually smart :/
2017-04-02T13:34:27 < stm32> oh yeah.... lol.
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2017-04-02T13:37:07 < kakimir> but I still rather make it the most universal possible first and profit being second
2017-04-02T13:37:30 < kakimir> I don't think it would make a great difference
2017-04-02T13:37:40 < kakimir> people would just buy the lite version
2017-04-02T13:37:56 < kakimir> and get less
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2017-04-02T13:39:51 < kakimir> I have problem with reverse polarity protection
2017-04-02T13:40:54 < kakimir> it and the fuse are in the positive connector
2017-04-02T13:41:20 < kakimir> while negative grounds to case
2017-04-02T13:41:27 < kakimir> directly
2017-04-02T13:41:59 < Steffanx> dont forget he graduated with honours kakimir :P
2017-04-02T13:42:18 < kakimir> is it true?
2017-04-02T13:42:30 < Steffanx> yes
2017-04-02T13:44:19 < kakimir> in what school?
2017-04-02T13:44:31 < kakimir> I did not graduate
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2017-04-02T13:47:43 < stm32> RMIT University Australia
2017-04-02T13:47:52 < stm32> lel
2017-04-02T13:48:01 < Steffanx> Charles Darwin University.
2017-04-02T13:48:23 < stm32> u m8
2017-04-02T13:48:32 < kakimir> Trollham University
2017-04-02T13:48:40 < stm32> thats laurence
2017-04-02T13:48:49 < stm32> dr laurence
2017-04-02T13:48:49 < Steffanx> Charles Darwin University is real kakimir.
2017-04-02T13:48:54 < stm32> phd in trolltek
2017-04-02T13:49:06 < stm32> and crt
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2017-04-02T14:02:37 < kakimir> yes.. Dr. Laurence
2017-04-02T14:02:48 < kakimir> remember Dr.
2017-04-02T14:02:59 < dongs> phd in scrolltek
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2017-04-02T14:28:15 < kakimir> do every hx711 need it's own both data pins?
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2017-04-02T14:35:07 < Steffanx> maybe you can share the clock pin, but data probably not.
2017-04-02T14:36:21 < kakimir> have all the sensors in sync?
2017-04-02T14:36:43 < kakimir> there is no reason it wouldn't be possible
2017-04-02T14:36:57 < kakimir> make them all to have same samplerate before installing them into system
2017-04-02T14:37:07 < kakimir> 10sps or 80sps
2017-04-02T14:38:16 < kakimir> I wonder how the sampling system works as you change the gain with clock pulses
2017-04-02T14:38:43 < kakimir> it affects to next one?
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2017-04-02T14:57:03 < kakimir> is there an attribute to set guard areas around certain variables?
2017-04-02T15:00:31 < kakimir> that any alternations in those areas cause some check to fail
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2017-04-02T15:03:29 < Steffanx> What are you innovating today crt?
2017-04-02T15:03:39 < kakimir> sniff it?
2017-04-02T15:05:32 < Steffanx> http://media.dumpert.nl/720p/_384cf0df_YTDL_1.mp4.mp4.mp4 your first flight kakimir?
2017-04-02T15:06:14 < Streaker> Does it make the file smaller if you MP4 the MP4 of an MP4?
2017-04-02T15:06:23 < Steffanx> Especially the landing .. last 45 seconds is good kakimir.
2017-04-02T15:06:47 < Steffanx> dont ask me Streaker.
2017-04-02T15:11:04 < kakimir> that feeling in the stomach when you see a plane about to stall at 100ft
2017-04-02T15:11:13 < kakimir> multiple times
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2017-04-02T15:12:26 < Steffanx> but you survived kakimir. All you needed was clean pants.
2017-04-02T15:13:04 < kakimir> at least the pilot had instinct to add the throttle
2017-04-02T15:13:47 < Steffanx> Not sure what the source of the video is, couldnt find it
2017-04-02T15:14:39 < kakimir> unbelievable forgiving ultralight plane he does stalling aoa time to time and it wont flip over sufdenly
2017-04-02T15:15:37 < kakimir> that landing banking to runway.. pro moves
2017-04-02T15:15:54 < Steffanx> or beginners luck.
2017-04-02T15:16:53 < kakimir> you just don't throw bankings like that on landing
2017-04-02T15:17:09 < kakimir> 5secs after you were about to stall
2017-04-02T15:18:27 < Steffanx> youre slow
2017-04-02T15:18:53 < Steffanx> will you take your cats with you?
2017-04-02T15:19:18 < Steffanx> You will be lonely.
2017-04-02T15:19:51 < Steffanx> They will miss their buttler
2017-04-02T15:20:12 < kakimir> that is how my RC-plane looked like when my friend said he was pro at simulator flying
2017-04-02T15:20:28 < kakimir> more steep climbs and stalls though
2017-04-02T15:20:33 < kakimir> and head on crash
2017-04-02T15:21:27 < BrainDamage> was it the only tree in the surrounding?
2017-04-02T15:23:06 < kakimir> no field
2017-04-02T15:23:21 < kakimir> *only field
2017-04-02T15:24:25 < englishman> Steffanx: nice, a hq version of that video
2017-04-02T15:24:53 < kakimir> that is englishman farm
2017-04-02T15:25:36 < kakimir> how is your sauna project englishman ?
2017-04-02T15:25:44 < englishman> covered in snow
2017-04-02T15:26:10 < kakimir> did you buy the stove part?
2017-04-02T15:26:21 < BrainDamage> really? here trees are in bloom
2017-04-02T15:26:28 < Jak_o_Shadows> Well, that's some analog mux code written. Test it later
2017-04-02T15:26:52 < englishman> well in the mediterranean sure
2017-04-02T15:27:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> May have the things backwards. Didn't look up the endianness of it
2017-04-02T15:27:07 < englishman> nah kaks havent done anything
2017-04-02T15:27:24 < englishman> fixing the hot tub has higher priority
2017-04-02T15:27:39 < Steffanx> make your own bubbles englishman.
2017-04-02T15:27:49 < BrainDamage> all you need is a straw
2017-04-02T15:27:51 < kakimir> englishman: outdoor one?
2017-04-02T15:27:55 < kakimir> what is the problem?
2017-04-02T15:27:59 < englishman> yes
2017-04-02T15:28:00 < englishman> it leaks
2017-04-02T15:28:28 < kakimir> the actual tank?
2017-04-02T15:28:36 < kakimir> or tubing and shit?
2017-04-02T15:29:06 < englishman> one of the jets, yeah
2017-04-02T15:29:15 < englishman> gotta cut thru all the foam to get to it
2017-04-02T15:29:24 < kakimir> you have that luxury type of hot tub with .. jets, lights and bluetoot audio
2017-04-02T15:29:37 < kakimir> is it that all americans have that
2017-04-02T15:30:11 < englishman> nah americans have pools
2017-04-02T15:30:18 < englishman> i dono about luxury
2017-04-02T15:30:25 < englishman> they are free if you find a leaky one
2017-04-02T15:30:33 < kakimir> really - free?
2017-04-02T15:30:45 < englishman> yeah the most expensive part was the gfic breaker
2017-04-02T15:31:16 < kakimir> I thinks the hot tub like that costs here like 7keuro
2017-04-02T15:31:16 < englishman> i even moved it here for free with a tractor
2017-04-02T15:31:30 < kakimir> new one
2017-04-02T15:31:31 < englishman> yeah thats about what they cost i think
2017-04-02T15:31:37 < englishman> this one came with original bill for 12k
2017-04-02T15:32:03 < Steffanx> Dont you guys just ghetto together a hot tub?
2017-04-02T15:32:29 < Steffanx> Warmed by a nice fire in a spiral shaped tube where the water flows through etc.
2017-04-02T15:32:30 < englishman> i think in the end a moulded one will be easier
2017-04-02T15:32:37 < englishman> with electric
2017-04-02T15:32:50 < Steffanx> No, just no..
2017-04-02T15:32:56 < englishman> ?
2017-04-02T15:33:07 < Steffanx> Electric.. ?!
2017-04-02T15:33:14 < englishman> no fires, lighting, waiting, carrying etc
2017-04-02T15:33:16 < englishman> just hop in
2017-04-02T15:33:25 < englishman> yeah it required 23kw
2017-04-02T15:33:49 < BrainDamage> here gas boilers are common
2017-04-02T15:34:07 < BrainDamage> 50kW instant scalding water
2017-04-02T15:34:17 < englishman> perfect
2017-04-02T15:36:11 < kakimir> we use 150kW oil burner for getting our ghettotub ready
2017-04-02T15:36:28 < kakimir> and old car tyres burned with firewood
2017-04-02T15:36:51 < BrainDamage> I hope he cymney is proper, burning tires is quite toxic
2017-04-02T15:36:56 < kakimir> water was boiling at the other end of the hot tub
2017-04-02T15:37:07 < kakimir> got hot pretty quick
2017-04-02T15:37:14 < BrainDamage> a coughing fit isn't my idea of relaxation
2017-04-02T15:38:21 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSkVKQU9pQVNmM3c/view?usp=sharing
2017-04-02T15:39:00 < Steffanx> That lovely language.
2017-04-02T15:40:23 < Steffanx> but that's more like it kakimir. Ghettoed together.
2017-04-02T15:40:52 < kakimir> if you try to figure out what that is
2017-04-02T15:41:24 < kakimir> it's a fuel tank cut half and half cut in half then welded back on inverted on the sides and plate added to ends
2017-04-02T15:41:46 < kakimir> placed on old ford transit
2017-04-02T15:42:50 < Steffanx> Do you eat lot of unions before you go in to make your own bubbles?
2017-04-02T15:42:56 < kakimir> old boiler is cut and weld on it
2017-04-02T15:45:37 < Steffanx> need attention crt?
2017-04-02T15:45:40 < kakimir> lot of beer to make bubbles come out from my mouth
2017-04-02T15:47:13 < Steffanx> its not time to sleep yet
2017-04-02T15:47:48 < kakimir> I need 30hour days instead of 24hours of this planet
2017-04-02T15:48:38 < Steffanx> You can make your days 30 hours kakimir.
2017-04-02T15:48:46 < Steffanx> Who cares it gets dark sometimes.
2017-04-02T15:49:43 < kakimir> there is incovenience of living rotating clock rhythm
2017-04-02T15:50:10 < kakimir> I know
2017-04-02T15:53:01 < ReadError> englishman: look at the kitteh !
2017-04-02T15:54:44 < kakimir> show me
2017-04-02T15:59:07 < ReadError> i cant
2017-04-02T15:59:24 < Steffanx> Yes you can.
2017-04-02T15:59:25 < ReadError> i mean, i could
2017-04-02T15:59:28 < ReadError> if Steffanx -c
2017-04-02T15:59:29 < Steffanx> no you cant
2017-04-02T15:59:32 < ReadError> see
2017-04-02T15:59:40 < ReadError> cant, sorry bud
2017-04-02T15:59:48 < Steffanx> I said "Yes you can" before i realized what you meant :P
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2017-04-02T16:01:00 < Steffanx> Now you can ReadError :P
2017-04-02T16:01:13 < Steffanx> oh kakimir wont join
2017-04-02T16:06:07 < ReadError> you want to join the circle pump crt ?
2017-04-02T16:06:51 < ReadError> actually nm
2017-04-02T16:07:07 < ReadError> not invited since you cant make ur ircclient look right
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2017-04-02T16:17:08 < Steffanx> sleep?
2017-04-02T16:19:16 < ReadError> fix it Steffanx !!
2017-04-02T16:19:24 < Steffanx> fix what?
2017-04-02T16:19:46 < ReadError> your ansi viewing
2017-04-02T16:19:49 < Steffanx> nein
2017-04-02T16:20:05 < ReadError> whats it look like
2017-04-02T16:20:24 < Steffanx> it looks awful
2017-04-02T16:20:30 < Steffanx> crt: iPHONE?
2017-04-02T16:20:31 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VPVc5KbK/meows.png
2017-04-02T16:20:34 < ReadError> like this?
2017-04-02T16:21:17 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/h8rgSVYj/pengu.png
2017-04-02T16:21:22 < ReadError> ^ dope ass pengu
2017-04-02T16:28:18 < ReadError> probably ned an ipad atleast
2017-04-02T16:28:23 < ReadError> 80char width
2017-04-02T16:28:52 < ReadError> ya but is ur pc even configured right?
2017-04-02T16:28:57 < ReadError> or you run the same dumb settings
2017-04-02T16:30:18 < ReadError> irccloud does it nice, u just need to configure it right
2017-04-02T16:31:01 < ReadError> this is is pretty sick, has some integrated circuits coming up!
2017-04-02T16:31:25 < ReadError> dat pdip
2017-04-02T16:32:14 < Steffanx> Such script kiddo
2017-04-02T16:32:22 < ReadError> hm no
2017-04-02T16:32:25 < ReadError> nothing illegal here
2017-04-02T16:39:04 < Steffanx> "It is generally assumed that script kiddies are juveniles who lack the ability to write sophisticated programs or exploits on their own and that their objective is to try to impress their friends or gain credit in computer-enthusiast communities" :P
2017-04-02T16:40:38 < ReadError> well, im not a juvenile !
2017-04-02T16:43:20 < ReadError> i could play some shit that would blow ur mind
2017-04-02T16:43:36 < ReadError> reals
2017-04-02T16:47:19 < Steffanx> Not sure if i want this :P
2017-04-02T16:49:51 < ReadError> it must have taken them a year to draw
2017-04-02T16:49:55 < ReadError> and lots of LSD
2017-04-02T16:51:10 < kakimir> they probs started in the 90s them drawings
2017-04-02T16:52:31 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-hSgL1R74 musictimes
2017-04-02T16:52:41 < kakimir> springtime music
2017-04-02T16:52:47 < kakimir> and video?
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2017-04-02T17:20:38 < kakimir> one day of coding and I feel like code god
2017-04-02T17:20:48 < kakimir> two days and doubt sets in
2017-04-02T17:20:56 < kakimir> a week - desperation
2017-04-02T17:24:59 < scrts> lol :)
2017-04-02T17:28:27 < kakimir> it's a vast world
2017-04-02T17:28:38 < kakimir> you get lost without focus
2017-04-02T17:30:31 < kakimir> I think I need a system for clocking different stuff
2017-04-02T17:32:10 < kakimir> bundle a update function pointer and overflow function pointer in one struct
2017-04-02T17:37:02 < Emil> hmmm
2017-04-02T17:37:17 < Emil> anyone interfaced with capacitive touch panels?
2017-04-02T17:37:34 < Emil> no display, just the transparent digitizer part
2017-04-02T17:38:13 < kakimir> directly?
2017-04-02T17:38:25 < kakimir> without digitizer circuicy?
2017-04-02T17:42:06 < Emil> kakimir: if you look at the replacement screens, they have 4-N pin flexible pcb strips
2017-04-02T17:42:20 < Emil> interfacing through those
2017-04-02T17:42:35 < Emil> so there's probably digitzer circuitry on the display
2017-04-02T17:42:41 < Emil> or?
2017-04-02T17:43:07 < kakimir> maybe
2017-04-02T17:43:23 < Emil> Putting one on top of a eink display (because finding one is quite hard)
2017-04-02T17:43:26 < kakimir> it's IC is just some piece of silicon glued in
2017-04-02T17:43:35 < Emil> kakimir: yap
2017-04-02T17:43:47 < Emil> kakimir: but have you done any experimenting?
2017-04-02T17:44:24 < Emil> Or do you know what keywords would lead me to some relevant datasheets
2017-04-02T17:47:11 < Emil> mfw this is sold as capacitibe
2017-04-02T17:47:12 < Emil> 7"inch Touchscreen for Innolux AT070TN94 AT070TN92 90 capacitive touch screen panel Digitizer Glass sensor 164*99mm 165*100mm http://s.aliexpress.com/v2Az6N7F
2017-04-02T17:47:15 < Emil> (from AliExpress Android)
2017-04-02T17:47:31 < kakimir> there you have your keywords
2017-04-02T17:49:06 < Emil> kakimir: but you havent done any experimenting?
2017-04-02T17:51:38 < kakimir> no
2017-04-02T18:02:35 < Steffanx> Tectu is our expert in that.
2017-04-02T18:02:39 < Steffanx> but tectu seems to be dead
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2017-04-02T18:07:27 < kakimir> how does the hx711 sync conversions to read?
2017-04-02T18:07:37 < dongs> what the fuck is hx711
2017-04-02T18:07:54 < kakimir> you just wait 100ms after you have read last conversion?
2017-04-02T18:08:05 < dongs> have you tried reading the fucking datasheet
2017-04-02T18:08:19 < kakimir> chinacheap 24bit differential ad converter with selectable gain
2017-04-02T18:08:38 < kakimir> and dicky serial interface that requires bitbanging
2017-04-02T18:08:51 < kakimir> dongs: I have looked it thru
2017-04-02T18:08:57 < dongs> wow that looks fucking awful
2017-04-02T18:09:13 < kakimir> used in weight scales and stuff
2017-04-02T18:09:51 < ReadError> works well
2017-04-02T18:09:59 < ReadError> for loadcell stuffs
2017-04-02T18:10:08 < ReadError> kakimir: the line drops
2017-04-02T18:10:14 < ReadError> then its ready
2017-04-02T18:10:23 < kakimir> oh
2017-04-02T18:10:46 < kakimir> i thought it must be but didn't read it thru that well
2017-04-02T18:10:54 < kakimir> DOUT line
2017-04-02T18:10:55 < kakimir> ?
2017-04-02T18:11:05 < ReadError> yea pretty sure iirc
2017-04-02T18:11:18 < kakimir> dongs: it's cheap and has quite okay performace for price
2017-04-02T18:11:23 < ReadError> so i ran that into interrupt
2017-04-02T18:11:38 < ReadError> then had a thread that would pull data asap
2017-04-02T18:11:49 < kakimir> interesting
2017-04-02T18:11:53 < ReadError> resume, did about 90hz w/o any xtal
2017-04-02T18:12:42 < kakimir> I plan to firstly use it as weigth scale
2017-04-02T18:12:50 < kakimir> then for thermocouples
2017-04-02T18:13:00 < dongs> doutWhen output data is not ready for retrieval,
2017-04-02T18:13:00 < dongs> digital output pin DOUT is high. Serial clock
2017-04-02T18:13:00 < dongs> input PD_SCK should be low. When DOUT goes
2017-04-02T18:13:01 < dongs> to low, it indicates data is ready for retrieval.
2017-04-02T18:13:02 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-02T18:13:04 < ReadError> yea but you arent gaining anything by letting it sit on data
2017-04-02T18:13:13 < ReadError> conversion already happened
2017-04-02T18:13:37 < dongs> is it only cool cuz its 24bit adc or something?
2017-04-02T18:13:37 < kakimir> then to measure and log tension of line pulling a sailplane with 1000kg s beam
2017-04-02T18:13:39 < dongs> and costs $0.10?
2017-04-02T18:13:48 < dongs> cuz it looks fucking useles
2017-04-02T18:13:48 < ReadError> dongs: it just works
2017-04-02T18:13:57 < ReadError> and cheap china shits are avail
2017-04-02T18:14:04 < kakimir> dongs: arduinoheads have made it big and cheap
2017-04-02T18:14:13 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13879
2017-04-02T18:14:18 < kakimir> throw them at anything
2017-04-02T18:14:20 < ReadError> >sparkfun
2017-04-02T18:14:22 < dongs> https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/1/5/1/0/13879-01.jpg
2017-04-02T18:14:24 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-04-02T18:14:25 < dongs> those giant caps
2017-04-02T18:14:28 < dongs> ???
2017-04-02T18:14:50 < dongs> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61N7nfXt7xL._SL1024_.jpg
2017-04-02T18:14:52 < dongs> china version
2017-04-02T18:14:55 < dongs> looks proper
2017-04-02T18:14:56 < kakimir> probs 10µF
2017-04-02T18:15:01 < ReadError> ya i got that one
2017-04-02T18:15:05 < dongs> 10uF exists in 0603 just fine
2017-04-02T18:15:19 < kakimir> I took the red one with shield!
2017-04-02T18:15:25 < dongs> lol wow its all single sdided
2017-04-02T18:15:34 < kakimir> someone have even used hx711 as a microampere current meter
2017-04-02T18:16:52 < ReadError> dongs: do u have a better suggestion for measuring strain gauges ?
2017-04-02T18:17:27 < dongs> no im just trolling
2017-04-02T18:17:55 < ReadError> still never found a good source of HQ cells
2017-04-02T18:18:07 < ReadError> that didnt want me to RFQ or other gayshit
2017-04-02T18:18:16 < kakimir> ReadError: inst. amp
2017-04-02T18:18:30 < kakimir> I made a board for it - poor me
2017-04-02T18:18:37 < ReadError> kakimir: i was looking for a small cell
2017-04-02T18:18:40 < ReadError> for very light
2017-04-02T18:18:54 < kakimir> you can have the actual sensor part seperatelly
2017-04-02T18:18:59 < ReadError> but most had really shitty tolerances
2017-04-02T18:19:05 < kakimir> as a piece of sheet
2017-04-02T18:19:12 < kakimir> can't you compensate them?
2017-04-02T18:19:15 < ReadError> theres some way to do them on a PCB
2017-04-02T18:19:27 < ReadError> kakimir: to a point
2017-04-02T18:19:39 < ReadError> but they still have pretty big margins of error advertised
2017-04-02T18:20:03 < ReadError> and i wanted to do sub-1mg resolution
2017-04-02T18:20:23 < dongs> ^ drug dealer
2017-04-02T18:20:50 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-02T18:21:02 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUE5aVFV4NUd0VzA/view?usp=sharing
2017-04-02T18:21:28 < kakimir> SMA
2017-04-02T18:21:33 < ReadError> ofc
2017-04-02T18:22:02 < kakimir> make you own ReadError
2017-04-02T18:22:16 < ReadError> loadcell?
2017-04-02T18:22:33 < ReadError> the pcb mounted ones you cant just get from mouser
2017-04-02T18:22:57 < kakimir> buy the seperate element and glue it to enought flimsy material and you get 0.1g
2017-04-02T18:23:12 < kakimir> wait 1mg..
2017-04-02T18:23:26 < kakimir> yeah glue it to really flimsy material
2017-04-02T18:24:07 < kakimir> sheet of thin aluminium
2017-04-02T18:25:01 < kakimir> let me find the seperate elements from my ebay
2017-04-02T18:26:29 < ReadError> bru
2017-04-02T18:26:40 < ReadError> you dont do this for precision stuff
2017-04-02T18:26:57 < ReadError> the whole idea is repeatability, reliability, precision
2017-04-02T18:27:57 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/331591953091 see related
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2017-04-02T18:29:59 < BrainDamage> if you want to print your own strain gauge you need to know the young's modulus of the substrate
2017-04-02T18:31:26 < kakimir> sure
2017-04-02T18:31:37 < kakimir> print? maybe machine it instead
2017-04-02T18:32:15 < BrainDamage> 2*modulus*deformation*resistivity = deltaR
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2017-04-02T18:35:07 < kakimir> you have done some load cells yourself?
2017-04-02T18:39:42 < kakimir> I need sort of optical sync thing
2017-04-02T18:40:02 < kakimir> to sync 2 devices placed right next to each other
2017-04-02T18:52:23 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xko6ZWRfxGA
2017-04-02T18:52:28 < ReadError> this is relevant to my interest
2017-04-02T18:53:37 < dongs> Dear customer,
2017-04-02T18:53:38 < dongs> Unauthorized payment place detected
2017-04-02T18:53:39 < dongs> There's been recent activity in your PayPaI account that seems unusual compared to your normal account activities. Please log in to PayPaI to confirm you're the account owner and update your password and security questions. To help protect your account, we've Iimited what you can do with it until you confirm you're the account holder
2017-04-02T18:53:44 < dongs> totally legit
2017-04-02T18:53:49 < dongs> entering my passwsord into a non-https form: now
2017-04-02T18:56:30 < Amun_Ra> that's easier to detect if you're not native english speaker - they usually use google translate w/o further corrections ;)
2017-04-02T18:56:59 < dongs> these guys woudl get so much better hit rate if they actually used the fucking emails from paypal
2017-04-02T18:57:02 < dongs> with real text
2017-04-02T18:57:39 < PaulFertser> Interesting detail, why do they write PayPaI and not PayPal? To fool spamfilters?
2017-04-02T18:57:48 < dongs> wut
2017-04-02T18:58:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3jYEYah.png watcha tryin to say PaulFertser
2017-04-02T18:58:27 < ReadError> looool
2017-04-02T18:58:32 < PaulFertser> You use a shitty font that doesn't show a difference between capital I and lower-case L?
2017-04-02T18:58:37 < dongs> yes sir
2017-04-02T18:58:44 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/g9Awxy2m/paypai.png
2017-04-02T18:58:44 < dongs> or between O and 0
2017-04-02T18:58:47 < BrainDamage> GayPal
2017-04-02T18:58:54 < ReadError> use a Libre font
2017-04-02T18:59:02 < dongs> libre fonts are fucking garbage
2017-04-02T18:59:09 < dongs> they are awfully poorly hinted
2017-04-02T18:59:15 < ReadError> im using one
2017-04-02T18:59:17 < dongs> and never have sbits/hints for small point sizes
2017-04-02T18:59:19 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serif
2017-04-02T18:59:19 < ReadError> i like it
2017-04-02T18:59:20 < dongs> yeah but your font is trash
2017-04-02T18:59:33 < Amun_Ra> I hate those fonts
2017-04-02T18:59:35 < PaulFertser> dongs: wow, and that (lack of) kerning before I! That's a very strange font, but it probably shows kanji nicely or something.
2017-04-02T18:59:41 < BrainDamage> you just need to use a font with serifs, altought they tend to appear somehow formal
2017-04-02T18:59:49 < dongs> PaulFertser: well, it IS a fixed-width font
2017-04-02T19:00:00 < dongs> why the fuck would it need kerning
2017-04-02T19:00:05 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YlPOL1Tk/lolsktop.png
2017-04-02T19:00:11 < ReadError> heres my main rig dongs
2017-04-02T19:00:17 < dongs> ReadError: nice troll faggot
2017-04-02T19:00:24 < dongs> thats from that plasma tv repairing stoner
2017-04-02T19:00:26 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-02T19:00:28 < ReadError> yup
2017-04-02T19:00:35 < ReadError> except no, jesus wont let him do drugs
2017-04-02T19:00:47 < PaulFertser> dongs: proper fixed-width should look much better IMHO
2017-04-02T19:00:49 < dongs> PaulFertser: kerning is the process of adjusting the spacing between characters in a proportional font
2017-04-02T19:01:00 < dongs> no?
2017-04-02T19:01:09 < ReadError> Hack font
2017-04-02T19:01:10 < PaulFertser> dongs: right, I couldn't have thought it's just fixed-width, I thought it's some broken proportional font.
2017-04-02T19:01:13 < ReadError> libre, kewl
2017-04-02T19:01:14 < dongs> how would you make a single-pixel character "work" in a fixed width font?
2017-04-02T19:01:28 < kakimir> jesus let's him irc
2017-04-02T19:01:29 < dongs> other than placing it in the center or wahtever
2017-04-02T19:01:53 < dongs> ok sleep tiem
2017-04-02T19:01:58 < dongs> gotta drive from 6.30 am tomrorw
2017-04-02T19:02:09 < kakimir> totally compareable to doing drugs
2017-04-02T19:02:18 < PaulFertser> dongs: i and l and I have additional side ticks here so it doesn't look that odd.
2017-04-02T19:02:25 < dongs> PaulFertser: yea
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2017-04-02T19:02:34 < dongs> but i've not found any other font thats single-pixel wide
2017-04-02T19:02:38 < dongs> for irc
2017-04-02T19:02:41 < dongs> other stuff is too fat
2017-04-02T19:03:14 < dongs> i mean i could probly extract this one and make my own fixed width/fixed size bitmap font just for irc but that would be 110% autism
2017-04-02T19:03:26 < dongs> and fix up shit like 0/L/l/I/etc
2017-04-02T19:03:52 < dongs> k bed
2017-04-02T19:03:52 < PaulFertser> I use Terminus, seem to be proper single-pixel.
2017-04-02T19:04:05 < PaulFertser> Sleep well.
2017-04-02T19:04:10 < ReadError> kakimir: started a hard16
2017-04-02T19:05:31 < kakimir> friend called to have some hash with him
2017-04-02T19:05:41 < kakimir> but I rather irc and code
2017-04-02T19:06:01 < ReadError> this 'skey is dope AF
2017-04-02T19:06:22 < ReadError> ass freenode is truncating the lines a lil
2017-04-02T19:07:53 < dongs> PaulFertser: wow. kinda impressed. looks usable.
2017-04-02T19:08:13 < dongs> changed one chat window to it, will see how long it lasts
2017-04-02T19:08:16 < dongs> really sleep now
2017-04-02T19:10:12 < ReadError> kakimir: angry bird
2017-04-02T19:11:00 < kakimir> are you calling me names?
2017-04-02T19:11:20 < ReadError> look in other stm
2017-04-02T19:11:30 < kakimir> lul
2017-04-02T19:12:56 < kakimir> I figured out how to overcome the linespeed limitation
2017-04-02T19:13:09 < kakimir> have 2 nicks to bomb in every odd and even line
2017-04-02T19:13:51 < kakimir> little script for it and some interface to point files to it
2017-04-02T19:15:06 < ReadError> kakimir: ya theres ways to do a pumpnet
2017-04-02T19:15:12 < ReadError> w/ multiple
2017-04-02T19:15:20 < ReadError> but it can choke ur client up pretty good
2017-04-02T19:15:35 < kakimir> sure
2017-04-02T19:15:46 < ReadError> and you can still hit the channel's throttle
2017-04-02T19:15:57 < kakimir> dont use trash client with trash connection
2017-04-02T19:16:26 < kakimir> it's lines of acsii
2017-04-02T19:16:34 < kakimir> seriously
2017-04-02T19:17:15 < kakimir> in times when www frontpage is size of multiple megs
2017-04-02T19:17:37 < kakimir> I did predict that in year 2000
2017-04-02T19:17:49 < kakimir> I had my homepage frontpage size of 4megs
2017-04-02T19:17:57 < kakimir> future.
2017-04-02T19:17:57 < ReadError> theres some technical limitations tho, timing for example
2017-04-02T19:18:14 < kakimir> sure but you can find the limit pretty easily with testing
2017-04-02T19:18:41 < kakimir> have both clients in the same server etc.
2017-04-02T19:19:01 < kakimir> ehm.. with good connection to irc server
2017-04-02T19:19:25 < ReadError> ive never seen it done successfully
2017-04-02T19:19:43 < ReadError> or reliably, rather
2017-04-02T19:19:46 < kakimir> me neather but why it so sucky?
2017-04-02T19:20:11 < ReadError> dunomang
2017-04-02T19:20:41 < kakimir> general suckyness
2017-04-02T19:20:51 < ReadError> ircop just gave me ##ascii
2017-04-02T19:22:07 < kakimir> maybe irc servers run on so low spec gear
2017-04-02T19:22:21 < ReadError> well think about all the connections
2017-04-02T19:22:21 < kakimir> they don't have capacity to pump ascii like that
2017-04-02T19:22:31 < ReadError> and how it has to speak to every client on it
2017-04-02T19:22:36 < ReadError> and every channel, pm etc
2017-04-02T19:23:01 < kakimir> and also there must be some kind of stuff to make botnet control harder
2017-04-02T19:23:39 < ReadError> 09:03:03 freenode   -- | I have 7716 clients and 1 servers
2017-04-02T19:23:39 < ReadError> 09:03:03 freenode   -- | 7716 8508 :Current local users 7716, max 8508
2017-04-02T19:23:39 < ReadError> 09:03:03 freenode   -- | 84876 96186 :Current global users 84876, max 96186
2017-04-02T19:23:45 < ReadError> so
2017-04-02T19:23:47 < BrainDamage> well, the measures are also to prevent users to be annoyed
2017-04-02T19:23:50 < ReadError> thats a lot of fuckin people
2017-04-02T19:23:54 < ReadError> for 1 server
2017-04-02T19:24:37 < ReadError> kakimir: scroll up a lil
2017-04-02T19:24:40 < ReadError> and see hitler
2017-04-02T19:24:53 < kakimir> but there might be web servers that handle www clients in that amount
2017-04-02T19:24:56 < ReadError> riding the red frog
2017-04-02T19:28:54 < kakimir> looking sedated
2017-04-02T19:29:34 < ReadError> this one of my favs, no idea how long it took to make
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2017-04-02T20:54:42 < englishman> ReadError: holy fucking shit
2017-04-02T20:54:44 < englishman> what a dope asskey
2017-04-02T20:54:59 < englishman> i scrolled up for that and do *not* regret
2017-04-02T20:55:17 < ReadError> acidkitty?
2017-04-02T20:55:27 < englishman> yea
2017-04-02T20:59:10 < ReadError> http://sprunge.us/MQXh
2017-04-02T20:59:11 < ReadError> sauce
2017-04-02T20:59:55 < Steffanx> see that crap also has ,15
2017-04-02T20:59:57 < Steffanx> :P
2017-04-02T21:00:15 < ReadError> englishman: Steffanx uses qwalseell irc and cant see it right
2017-04-02T21:01:46 < ReadError> Steffanx: ya the #s should be there
2017-04-02T21:02:18 < Steffanx> do i look like i really care?
2017-04-02T21:02:59 < englishman> you look very pretty today.
2017-04-02T21:03:08 < Steffanx> Just today?
2017-04-02T21:03:15 < englishman> i did not specify other days.
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2017-04-02T21:03:47 < englishman> whoa
2017-04-02T21:03:53 < englishman> bienvenie teurastaja
2017-04-02T21:04:02 < teurastaja> thank you
2017-04-02T21:04:15 < teurastaja> id like to reinstall openstm32 on linux
2017-04-02T21:04:15 < ohsix> canada dronez
2017-04-02T21:04:35 < teurastaja> id like to first remove it
2017-04-02T21:04:37 < Steffanx> ça va?
2017-04-02T21:04:40 < teurastaja> oui
2017-04-02T21:04:49 < teurastaja> coudon cest francophone ici?
2017-04-02T21:04:55 < teurastaja> toi ca va?
2017-04-02T21:04:59 < englishman> les francos sont partout
2017-04-02T21:05:19 < ReadError> the things dongs would say right now...
2017-04-02T21:05:26 < ReadError> "atleast its not german"
2017-04-02T21:05:56 < teurastaja> en tk jsuis sur linux et jai mess up mes variables dans le PATH. meme "restore defaults" ne regle pas le probleme
2017-04-02T21:06:31 < teurastaja> alors je veux simplement enlever linstallation de mon systeme pour pouvoir le reinstaller
2017-04-02T21:07:10 < teurastaja> should i ask in english?
2017-04-02T21:07:43 < englishman> yeah it's still an english chan
2017-04-02T21:07:52 < englishman> and im not lunix expert but im pretty sure theres no PATH
2017-04-02T21:07:59 < Steffanx> lol i dont speak français at al.
2017-04-02T21:08:24 < teurastaja> i messed up my PATH variables in eclipse (on linux) using the openstm32 bundle
2017-04-02T21:08:38 < teurastaja> i simply want to reinstall but i need to deinstsall first
2017-04-02T21:09:05 < teurastaja> cant find anything on the subject of deinstalling openstm32
2017-04-02T21:10:43 < teurastaja> im using STM32CubeMX (installed separately) with openstm32 (found on openstm32.org). it installs eclipse with gcc and other environment tools
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2017-04-02T21:12:53 < Steffanx> oops
2017-04-02T21:13:00 < teurastaja> anyone using openstm32?
2017-04-02T21:13:02 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ
2017-04-02T21:13:20 < englishman> i dont and im not sure many people here do
2017-04-02T21:13:25 < englishman> though there probably are some
2017-04-02T21:13:35 < teurastaja> what are you using?
2017-04-02T21:13:37 < englishman> may also want to ask in an eclipse chan, if that exists
2017-04-02T21:13:37 < englishman> keil
2017-04-02T21:13:51 < Rickta59> i use openstm32 seems good
2017-04-02T21:13:53 < teurastaja> keil... eww
2017-04-02T21:13:58 < englishman> haha
2017-04-02T21:13:59 < englishman> no
2017-04-02T21:14:05 < englishman> keil is pro
2017-04-02T21:14:20 < teurastaja> Rickta59: how do you deinstall it?
2017-04-02T21:14:35 < Rickta59> why would i want to uninstall it : ) ?
2017-04-02T21:14:43 < teurastaja> to reinstall it
2017-04-02T21:14:57 < teurastaja> i messed up some configuration files
2017-04-02T21:15:07 < Rickta59> let me look at it
2017-04-02T21:15:11 < teurastaja> thanks
2017-04-02T21:15:34 < teurastaja> im on linux by the way
2017-04-02T21:15:49 < Rickta59> i see an uninstall.jar in the directory
2017-04-02T21:15:57 < teurastaja> which?
2017-04-02T21:16:19 < Rickta59> mine is installed in /mnt/vbox/shared/Ac6/SystemWorkbench/uninstall.jar
2017-04-02T21:16:33 < teurastaja> just found it
2017-04-02T21:16:49 < teurastaja> so java -jar uninstall.jar?
2017-04-02T21:17:08 < Rickta59> seems so .. i'm not going to try, i'm pretty happy with it
2017-04-02T21:17:19 < kakimir> butcher
2017-04-02T21:17:24 < Rickta59> i might use the full path and not be in the directory
2017-04-02T21:17:41 < teurastaja> and are you using STM32CubeMX?
2017-04-02T21:17:46 < Rickta59> not really
2017-04-02T21:17:56 < Rickta59> i've looked at it but don't use it
2017-04-02T21:17:59 < teurastaja> id also reinstall it
2017-04-02T21:18:48 < teurastaja> Rickta59: the cube makes every project so easy
2017-04-02T21:19:00 < Rickta59> yeah and it uses the HAL crap so no thanks
2017-04-02T21:20:01 < teurastaja> Rickta59: still at school but my teacher had a teacher who didnt want to look into the cube. he said they simply lit some LEDs during the whole course
2017-04-02T21:20:37 < teurastaja> while with the cube, i literally have a small OS-less computer
2017-04-02T21:20:45 < Rickta59> super go for it
2017-04-02T21:21:30 < teurastaja> seen many people reluctant to use it. theyve changed their minds ;)
2017-04-02T21:22:14 < Rickta59> i guess i'd rather poke around to figure stuff out .. makes it easy to find answers to questions even like .. how do i uninstall
2017-04-02T21:23:14 < Rickta59> rather than why did they set the stack pointer to the wrong address in cubemx and then not notice for months
2017-04-02T21:25:18 < kakimir> teurastaja: you are some other nick we already know? the multiculture one?
2017-04-02T21:25:36 < teurastaja> Rickta59: still... had to figure out my lab assignment on an alternative IDE no one uses yet at school because they use IAR but the school IT department put a virus on my account so it resets licenses. am on my own. cant use IAR at school because of that and have no windows.
2017-04-02T21:26:16 < teurastaja> kakimir: no its my first time here
2017-04-02T21:26:32 < Steffanx> IAR even worse than keil
2017-04-02T21:27:07 < teurastaja> my opinion is if it costs 5000$ for one computer then its not worth it
2017-04-02T21:27:16 < Steffanx> teurastaja, can't you just go "Fuck you, fix my account NOW!".
2017-04-02T21:27:19 < teurastaja> but the school uses it
2017-04-02T21:28:08 < kakimir> you have finnish nick "butcher"
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2017-04-02T21:28:49 < teurastaja> Steffanx: they made me sign a non-disclosure to media agreement and a "dont talk to us again or its harassment" thing because i uncovered many long-unaddressed flaws at school
2017-04-02T21:28:50 < kakimir> but you take on french like nothing
2017-04-02T21:28:50 < Steffanx> You have a dutch nick kakimir, "poop"imir.
2017-04-02T21:29:14 < teurastaja> its a complicated thing
2017-04-02T21:29:21 < Steffanx> Sounds like you need a new school :)
2017-04-02T21:29:39 < Steffanx> I mean, now they just work against you from what it seems.
2017-04-02T21:29:50 < Steffanx> Nah, good luck with it all :P
2017-04-02T21:29:52 < teurastaja> trying to save my grades but the IT department is targetting me
2017-04-02T21:30:10 < Rickta59> heh .. such a weird track for a simple questions about system workbench
2017-04-02T21:30:14 < teurastaja> no the teachers are fine with me
2017-04-02T21:30:27 < teurastaja> yeah well its a long story
2017-04-02T21:30:28 < kakimir> not lot of finnish people take on french like nothing
2017-04-02T21:30:34 < teurastaja> shouldntve gone into the details
2017-04-02T21:30:53 < Steffanx> hah :P
2017-04-02T21:31:39 < englishman> ets?
2017-04-02T21:32:18 < kakimir> you have canadian internet provider
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2017-04-02T21:37:17 < teurastaja> yes, im canadian
2017-04-02T21:38:38 < kakimir> tell me about being canadian
2017-04-02T21:39:35 < Steffanx> lol, he is not the first of that species,.
2017-04-02T21:39:48 < Steffanx> species*
2017-04-02T21:40:01 < teurastaja> well canada is nice but is lagging behind in many technology/bureaucracy/laws
2017-04-02T21:40:27 < teurastaja> but then, the usa is starting to lag too since trump took office
2017-04-02T21:41:24 < teurastaja> have you noticed the many takedowns by the fbi on some historic websites like phreak.org ?
2017-04-02T21:41:46 < kakimir> they have total takedown going on
2017-04-02T21:42:31 < kakimir> why is canada lagging?
2017-04-02T21:42:42 < teurastaja> why are they attacking knowledge? how long until freenode is taken down for "conspiracy and hacking"?
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2017-04-02T21:43:07 < kakimir> it probs will
2017-04-02T21:43:11 < englishman> uh freenode is already run by feds
2017-04-02T21:43:38 < kakimir> it's running on nsa servers anyway
2017-04-02T21:43:48 < teurastaja> sure, but they should take it down if the trend continues
2017-04-02T21:44:07 < teurastaja> phrack.org was ran by some feds also
2017-04-02T21:44:44 < englishman> i was surprised that feds cared so much about lunix and tarduino shit
2017-04-02T21:44:55 < englishman> but i guess they have to learn2lunix somewhere
2017-04-02T21:45:57 < teurastaja> theyre so stupid they would take down stackoverflow thinking they thwarted some conspiracy but only disabling developer support for many of us
2017-04-02T21:46:25 < englishman> hackaday confirmed as fed security honeypot
2017-04-02T21:47:01 < kakimir> is it true?
2017-04-02T21:47:12 < Steffanx> MI6:r
2017-04-02T21:47:48 < teurastaja> true or false: true
2017-04-02T21:48:01 < englishman> so ets or con
2017-04-02T21:48:02 < teurastaja> true and false: false
2017-04-02T21:48:21 < Steffanx> <3
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2017-04-02T21:49:37 < Steffanx> Je ne parle pas francais monjeur Anglais
2017-04-02T21:50:08 < Steffanx> or would it be "monjeur de Anglais"" ? or just "Anglais"?
2017-04-02T21:50:16 < Steffanx> d'Anglais? watever
2017-04-02T21:50:45 < englishman> "maudite Anglais"
2017-04-02T21:50:46 < englishman> is what you meant
2017-04-02T21:51:00 < teurastaja> anyway sorry for bringing up my various conspiracy "theories". anyone experimented with adding high-level compilers/interpreters on a discovery board? im interested in running Scheme on it
2017-04-02T21:51:05 < Steffanx> No, i meant. englishman
2017-04-02T21:51:13 < kakimir> I feel so uneuropean when canadians talk
2017-04-02T21:51:56 < teurastaja> kakimir: might be because were bilingual
2017-04-02T21:52:09 < Steffanx> finland is almost russia, the language is weird too, so yeah. I agree kakimir
2017-04-02T21:53:16 < teurastaja> sorry for borrowing a finnish nickname kakimir ;)
2017-04-02T21:53:41 < jpa-> for a moment i was afraid we have another one
2017-04-02T21:54:00 < englishman> at least there still arent any sweedes
2017-04-02T21:54:02 < teurastaja> nah im french canadian
2017-04-02T21:54:29 < Steffanx> The wrong kind.
2017-04-02T21:54:41 < kakimir> teurastaja: finns are bilangual too
2017-04-02T21:54:42 < Steffanx> englishman is trying to hide behind his nick.
2017-04-02T21:54:48 < teurastaja> so... any compiler writers here?
2017-04-02T21:55:14 < Steffanx> I dont know.
2017-04-02T21:55:17 < Steffanx> not me
2017-04-02T21:55:29 < teurastaja> would like to write one for the stm32f407vgt
2017-04-02T21:56:05 < teurastaja> a small read/eval/print/loop
2017-04-02T21:56:32 < Thorn> we already have "frameworks" that take 2500 cycles to toggle a gpio pin and are non-deterministic
2017-04-02T21:56:36 < teurastaja> the big challenge is implementing closures
2017-04-02T21:56:42 < Thorn> that's not what embedded is about
2017-04-02T21:57:28 < teurastaja> Thorn: Scheme makes ports accessible directly from a unified interface
2017-04-02T21:59:01 < jpa-> http://armpit.sourceforge.net/   might just as well use an interpreter
2017-04-02T21:59:27 < kakimir> should there be sshds running root on my server?
2017-04-02T21:59:54 < kakimir> at least 2 in addition to one is running with my user
2017-04-02T22:00:01 < jpa-> kakimir: usually yes
2017-04-02T22:00:20 < kakimir> nice
2017-04-02T22:00:30 < kakimir> everything is better than expected
2017-04-02T22:01:33 < kakimir> what is teurastaja doing I did not understand
2017-04-02T22:01:42 < kakimir> write a compiler sounds mad
2017-04-02T22:02:01 < jpa-> nah, it is a fun exercise
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2017-04-02T22:06:49 < kakimir> compile what?
2017-04-02T22:06:58 < kakimir> oh scheme
2017-04-02T22:07:01 < kakimir> mad mad
2017-04-02T22:08:12 < kakimir> I demand Haskell for arm
2017-04-02T22:11:21 < jpa-> ghc has a llvm backend, llvm compiles to cortex-m
2017-04-02T22:11:33 < jpa-> but not sure how much runtime it will need
2017-04-02T22:12:23 < Thorn> Writing a USB driver using the I/O monad: the first five years
2017-04-02T22:12:25 < Thorn> by kakimir
2017-04-02T22:12:33 < Thorn> going to be a hit
2017-04-02T22:12:42 < jpa-> needs more sma
2017-04-02T22:14:07 < Steffanx> SysteMatic Autism?
2017-04-02T22:15:22 < Steffanx> btw, dont you need devembedde.pro? Like mr Tectu, jpa-?
2017-04-02T22:15:26 < Steffanx> *+d
2017-04-02T22:15:46 < Thorn> pro.irc-ee.pro
2017-04-02T22:21:21 < englishman> wow what a pro url
2017-04-02T22:22:49 < teurastaja> jpa are you a schemer?
2017-04-02T22:23:34 < Steffanx> Better register ircgl.pro too englishman
2017-04-02T22:23:50 < englishman> ircgl is already pro
2017-04-02T22:24:08 < Steffanx> Server not found.
2017-04-02T22:25:58 < PaulFertser> kakimir: http://www.smaccmpilot.org/ , http://repetae.net/computer/jhc/ , http://www.ats-lang.org/
2017-04-02T22:27:38 < Steffanx> that last one doesnt seem to work.
2017-04-02T22:28:40 < PaulFertser> http://www.ats-lang.org/ works for me. Not Haskell, it's a different language. But it's even more reliable, facilitates building proofs.
2017-04-02T22:29:03 < Steffanx> oh sorry, its the 2nd one
2017-04-02T22:29:10 < Steffanx> clicked them in the wrong order :P
2017-04-02T22:29:15 < kakimir> what are this
2017-04-02T22:29:18 < kakimir> why
2017-04-02T22:29:31 < kakimir> and why PaulFertser uses it
2017-04-02T22:30:12 < PaulFertser> kakimir: I'm not using those, unfortunately.
2017-04-02T22:30:44 < PaulFertser> ajhc is not longer developed, no idea what happened to jhc itself.
2017-04-02T22:31:49 < kakimir> c rules
2017-04-02T22:32:17 < kakimir> until otherwise proven
2017-04-02T22:32:50 < PaulFertser> kakimir: tell that to folks that ruined space equipment by mixing imperial and metric units.
2017-04-02T22:35:35 < Steffanx> You would have solved that by using datatypes that used/forced the right unit under the hood no matter what, PaulFertser?
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2017-04-02T22:37:28 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I would hope so, yes. For all values there would be a special unit "tag" attached (with compile-time only overhead) and all formulas/functions would accept only a matching value.
2017-04-02T22:37:50 < Steffanx> Can't C++ do that too nowadays? Just cant remember the name.
2017-04-02T22:37:51 < PaulFertser> So a mismatch would result in an obvious compile-time error.
2017-04-02T22:38:08 < PaulFertser> C++ can do a lot nowadays, yes, this included.
2017-04-02T22:38:24 < Steffanx> but what's the name of this feature (i forgot)
2017-04-02T22:38:43 < Steffanx> cooked literal?
2017-04-02T22:39:36 < PaulFertser> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_63_0/doc/html/boost_units.html
2017-04-02T22:42:07 < Steffanx> I was more referring to the custom literals
2017-04-02T22:42:51 < PaulFertser> I do not think they can cover this usecase.
2017-04-02T22:46:43 < Steffanx> then im not sure what use case :)
2017-04-02T22:47:40 < PaulFertser> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/user_literal ?
2017-04-02T22:48:49 < Steffanx> yes
2017-04-02T22:51:00 < PaulFertser> This answer looks nice: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/237804/what-new-capabilities-do-user-defined-literals-add-to-c
2017-04-02T22:52:37 < PaulFertser> And looks like https://github.com/martinmoene/PhysUnits-CT-Cpp11 does the right thing, so you're correct Steffanx.
2017-04-02T22:52:52 < Steffanx> oh cool :)
2017-04-02T23:01:08 < Steffanx> Good morning crt
2017-04-02T23:02:54 < Steffanx> Thanks
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2017-04-03T00:12:24 < zyp> fucking US export bullshit
2017-04-03T00:12:54 < zyp> both mouser and digikey got something I want, but refuse shipping it to norway
2017-04-03T00:13:19 < zyp> farnell didn't have it in stock, but rs did, so I put in an order there
2017-04-03T00:18:59 < branjb> if I get a error on make like "/tmp/ccCigUcj.s:389: Error: operands given don't match blahblahblah" is there a way to edit make scripts so it doesn't clear /tmp before I get a chance to look at it?
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2017-04-03T00:26:26 < zyp> put -save-temps or something in CFLAGS
2017-04-03T00:27:24 < branjb> thx boss
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2017-04-03T00:54:48 < Laurenceb_> lul 8chan was hacked
2017-04-03T00:54:51 < Laurenceb_> maybe...
2017-04-03T00:55:01 < Laurenceb_> message appeared 1st April
2017-04-03T00:57:17 < kakimir> yes
2017-04-03T00:57:21 < kakimir> maybe
2017-04-03T00:57:39 < kakimir> thing with april fools is you take it back next day
2017-04-03T00:58:07 < kakimir> or after the fooling have happend
2017-04-03T00:58:38 < Laurenceb_> all boards redirect to /loli/
2017-04-03T00:58:41 < Laurenceb_> lulling
2017-04-03T01:08:59 < kakimir> I feel sick
2017-04-03T01:10:20 < Laurenceb_> nowhere to troll now :(
2017-04-03T01:11:33 < zyp> time to quit trolling
2017-04-03T01:12:14 < kakimir> time to become a person
2017-04-03T01:12:20 < Laurenceb_> https://i1.wp.com/knuckledraggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/acid_picdump_109.jpg
2017-04-03T01:12:28 < kakimir> *human
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2017-04-03T01:56:47 < teurastaja> Rickta59: in eclipse, i cant build anything because of the debug configuration. if i try to set to Ac6 C/C++ project, it says binaries not found
2017-04-03T01:57:44 < teurastaja> if anyone else uses eclipse you can help
2017-04-03T02:00:00 < kakimir> what is ac6?
2017-04-03T02:04:26 < teurastaja> openstm32.org
2017-04-03T02:04:39 < teurastaja> gtg sorry
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2017-04-03T02:29:37 < upgrdman_> neat. MIT made an autonomous rc plane that can fly indoors   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYs215TgI7c
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2017-04-03T02:35:33 < ReadError> upgrdman: come join us for a hard16
2017-04-03T02:35:40 < ReadError> i got some penguinz
2017-04-03T02:36:04 < upgrdman> ?
2017-04-03T02:37:26 < upgrdman> whats a hard16
2017-04-03T02:37:45 < ReadError> 16 colors n runnin
2017-04-03T02:37:57 < upgrdman> ah
2017-04-03T02:38:31 < ReadError> unless u run mirc or qeaelseel
2017-04-03T02:39:27 < englishman> upgrdman: thats so old those students are phds now
2017-04-03T02:40:25 < upgrdman> englishman, oh shit
2017-04-03T02:40:31 < upgrdman> didnt see the 2012 date
2017-04-03T02:40:33 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-03T03:13:50 < Getty> wow, for 2001 a space odyssey you need really some patient...
2017-04-03T03:14:29 < Getty> 30 minutes in and we are still not into the base story, i dont remember it _THAT_ long 8-)
2017-04-03T03:19:07 < aandrew> Getty: reminds me of when I watched Napoleon Dynamite
2017-04-03T03:19:30 < Getty> yeah its kinda stretchy at the beginning if you already saw it once
2017-04-03T03:19:43 < aandrew> I was in a good mood and just enjoying the movie, waiting for the main story to start
2017-04-03T03:19:49 < Getty> hahahahah
2017-04-03T03:19:52 < aandrew> the credits come on at hte end and I'm like "wtf?"
2017-04-03T03:20:01 < Getty> yeah that was the wrong intention at the beginning ;)
2017-04-03T03:20:14 < Getty> ah! on first time watching?
2017-04-03T03:20:56 < Getty> yeah ok, the movie is its own kind, but its also kinda so that the first half of the movie is pretty hard to watch twice, i would consider the vote for pedro the "story" but yeah ;)
2017-04-03T03:21:19 < Getty> holy shit, 2001 is ..... yeah......
2017-04-03T03:21:31 < aandrew> Getty: yep first time watching it, I got all the way to the credits at the end, not realizing that a) that much time had passed and b) the story hadn't yet begun
2017-04-03T03:21:33 < Getty> i have no idea how that movie got a 8.3 rating
2017-04-03T03:22:13 < fenugrec> not a Kubrick fan myself, I love getting into heated (troll) arguments with 2001 fans
2017-04-03T03:22:59 < Getty> yeah just because its kubrick doesnt require people to love it ;)
2017-04-03T03:23:07 < Getty> every movie is an experiment and there are no experts
2017-04-03T03:23:18 < branjb> is there a way to make gdb break on a variable changing?
2017-04-03T03:24:06 < fenugrec> branjb they<re called "watchpoints"
2017-04-03T03:24:20 < branjb> that's what i thought, but maybe i'm not setting it right
2017-04-03T03:24:38 < Getty> you are for sure not doing it right ;) but you are for sure not alone
2017-04-03T03:24:49 < branjb> watch pcb[current_pid].TF_p should break if the value of pcb[current_pid].TF_p changes right?
2017-04-03T03:25:31 < fenugrec> if parts of that change dynamically (i.e. watched address changes) I think you're stuffed
2017-04-03T03:25:43 < Getty> I just realized that Pedro is the talky helper of the narcos, at least they look the same
2017-04-03T03:25:52 < branjb> damn
2017-04-03T03:25:59 < fenugrec> not 100% on that though
2017-04-03T03:26:07 < fenugrec> SO probably has questions on that
2017-04-03T03:26:22 < branjb> my trapframe address gets changed somewhere which causes a segfault, trying to hunt that down in 10000+ lines of code is a pain
2017-04-03T03:28:50 < Getty> those 2001 conference "chairs" look comfy
2017-04-03T03:32:31 < Getty> lol ;)
2017-04-03T03:33:18 < Getty> space sandwich: they cut the crust off
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2017-04-03T03:46:37 < Getty> the movie is like 1% odyssey and 99% space...
2017-04-03T03:59:28 < Getty> now i am exactly at the half of the movie, and the only thin actually happened was the obelisk making that sound
2017-04-03T03:59:44 < Getty> and i am watching 5 minutes how they bring a thing out to space.... hurray!
2017-04-03T04:13:18 < Getty> yeah sure........... add an intermission as if the movie wasnt boring enough
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2017-04-03T08:01:06 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_MSFkZHNi4
2017-04-03T08:02:44 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/rcdtzid858py.jpg
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2017-04-03T08:12:59 < ohsix> love when you're just looking at a bunch of crap, then one thing captivates you for 10 minutes
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2017-04-03T08:27:52 < jpa-> Steffanx: i'm not pro enough for that
2017-04-03T08:33:32 < emeb_mac> ohsix: that's f'n weird
2017-04-03T08:33:34 < emeb_mac> good find
2017-04-03T08:36:58 < upgrdman> nice quad   https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8bUuqLXYAAi5cz.jpg
2017-04-03T09:05:36 < upgrdman> R2COM, was from https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/631ocy/is_quadcopter_with_shuttle_cock_tailed_grenades/
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2017-04-03T12:50:18 < zyp> hmm, I was wondering why stepping in this TI code composer studio weren't working properly, then I remembered that I'm building optimized code
2017-04-03T12:52:24 < zyp> actually, turning off optimizations doesn't appear to help
2017-04-03T12:52:37 < zyp> this is why I fucking hate IDEs
2017-04-03T12:52:52 < Steffanx> No you just hate ccs.
2017-04-03T12:53:01 < Steffanx> Because you SHOULD.
2017-04-03T12:53:38 < zyp> well, it's some eclipse shit
2017-04-03T12:53:49 < zyp> like most other stuff that's not keil
2017-04-03T12:53:58 < Steffanx> But heavily customized with plugins and stuff
2017-04-03T12:54:04 < zyp> (and keil doesn't even appear to support cortex-r)
2017-04-03T12:54:33 < Steffanx> You are cortex-r-ing?
2017-04-03T12:54:39 < zyp> ya, for work
2017-04-03T12:54:54 < Steffanx> Oh working again.
2017-04-03T12:55:19 < zyp> anyway, I think I figured out what went wrong
2017-04-03T12:55:50 < zyp> it's stuck on a line because it's waiting for a flag that's supposed to be set by an ISR
2017-04-03T12:56:20 < zyp> and ISRs are blocked while single stepping
2017-04-03T12:56:25 < zyp> that makes sense
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2017-04-03T12:57:24 < zyp> it's weird because it's stuck on an if(), but that if is the only thing in a while block
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2017-04-03T14:24:32 < Laurenceb> http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1894885/thumbs/o-HELLO-KITTY-570.jpg
2017-04-03T14:51:23 < kakimir> do you guise have some general GPIO function that you can use with your stuff?
2017-04-03T14:51:54 < kakimir> like "hey write this port pin"
2017-04-03T14:52:23 < kakimir> and use actual integers for port and pin number
2017-04-03T14:52:59 < kakimir> I'm doing this hx711 thing so I have write function pointer and 3 additional parameters in clockline type
2017-04-03T14:53:25 < kakimir> in dataline slash converter type I have read function pointer and 3 addition parameter variables
2017-04-03T14:53:41 < kakimir> named "additional parameters"
2017-04-03T14:54:03 < kakimir> just passed to read or write function
2017-04-03T14:54:48 < kakimir> I wonder what parameters to have in what order
2017-04-03T14:54:58 < kakimir> to make it sensible and universal
2017-04-03T14:55:07 < kakimir> and if to have seperate read and write functions
2017-04-03T14:55:19 < kakimir> or one function with a switch
2017-04-03T14:57:51 < kakimir> anyone familiar with hx711 and have written a library for it? and want to take a look of overall structure of mine?
2017-04-03T15:00:42 < kakimir> ReadError: ?
2017-04-03T15:09:04 < Laurenceb> <SopaXorzTaker> I have developed plans for a satellite you can build with items from a local hardware store
2017-04-03T15:09:11 < Laurenceb> <SopaXorzTaker> To build one of my design, you would have to obtain a wireless doorbell, some calculators, electical tape and two AA/AAA NiMH rechargeables
2017-04-03T15:09:13 < Laurenceb> my sides
2017-04-03T15:09:51 < Streaker> what's the calculator for?
2017-04-03T15:10:02 < kakimir> probs for computing
2017-04-03T15:11:46 < kakimir> so wtf... hx711 says it's 24bit adc but output range in hex is 800000-7FFFFF
2017-04-03T15:12:05 < kakimir> and I don't think that is equal to 24bit data
2017-04-03T15:12:11 < kakimir> or is it?
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2017-04-03T15:20:44 < kakimir> okay first bit is minus
2017-04-03T15:22:26 < Streaker> that can't be right? 800000 - 7FFFFF = 1
2017-04-03T15:25:27 < kakimir> yes guru explained it's about the sign but there is still 24bits there
2017-04-03T15:25:33 < kakimir> somehow
2017-04-03T15:25:42 < kakimir> I rather look at it later
2017-04-03T15:26:19 < Steffanx> Thorn / PaulFertser dont bomv trains please.
2017-04-03T15:26:22 < Steffanx> Bomb*
2017-04-03T15:26:31 < kakimir> and first bit needs to be moved to work with 32bit system
2017-04-03T15:28:17 < Steffanx> You want to sign extend, kakimir
2017-04-03T15:28:49 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: why would I?
2017-04-03T15:29:08 < Steffanx> Not sure. I just read it happened.
2017-04-03T15:29:48 < Laurenceb> nice ic
2017-04-03T15:29:59 < Laurenceb> how many enob tho?
2017-04-03T15:30:16 < Steffanx> Enob?
2017-04-03T15:30:25 < Laurenceb> effective number of bits
2017-04-03T15:30:43 < Steffanx> Oh, you were referring to kakimirs chip.
2017-04-03T15:30:48 < zyp> kakimir, sounds like 24-bit two's complement to me
2017-04-03T15:30:49 < Laurenceb> oh only 80sps
2017-04-03T15:30:52 < Laurenceb> sucks
2017-04-03T15:31:24 < zyp> kakimir, if you sign extend it, you get 0xff800000-0x007fffff
2017-04-03T15:31:45 < kakimir> it's not for microsecond operations Laurenceb
2017-04-03T15:31:48 < zyp> i.e. 0xff800000-0xffffffff followed by 0x00000000-0x007fffff
2017-04-03T15:32:01 < kakimir> that is when you throw instrumentation amplifier and ADC in
2017-04-03T15:32:47 < zyp> if you want it unsigned, you can just flip the top bit instead (i.e. xor 0x800000) and you'll get 0-0xffffff
2017-04-03T15:32:52 < kakimir> zyp: I think I just copy that part from another lib
2017-04-03T15:33:07 < zyp> oh yeah, an xor operation requires another lib
2017-04-03T15:33:15 < Steffanx> :D
2017-04-03T15:33:23 < kakimir> I mean preprocessing raw data from hx711
2017-04-03T15:33:35 < kakimir> they have probably got it pretty much right
2017-04-03T15:33:48 < kakimir> even the whole architecture of their libs suck
2017-04-03T15:33:51 < Steffanx> Get an tarduino lib.
2017-04-03T15:37:23 < kakimir> sucky libs
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2017-04-03T15:44:31 < ReadError> kakimir: i dont exactly have a library made for it
2017-04-03T15:44:40 < ReadError> just some hacky shit that works
2017-04-03T15:45:09 < Steffanx> Where is crt?
2017-04-03T15:45:59 < kakimir> ReadError: it's all there is
2017-04-03T15:46:11 < kakimir> my code handles unlimited number of the sensors
2017-04-03T15:46:13 < ReadError> does yours work?
2017-04-03T15:46:22 < kakimir> with shared clock lines
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2017-04-03T15:46:59 < Steffanx> Unlimited kakimir?
2017-04-03T15:47:03 < kakimir> ReadError: I began writing yesterday what do you think
2017-04-03T15:47:13 < kakimir> Steffanx: actually..
2017-04-03T15:47:26 < kakimir> size_t limits it :/
2017-04-03T15:47:29 < ReadError> i havent even looked at that code for a year atleast
2017-04-03T15:47:48 < ReadError> but mine was done different
2017-04-03T15:47:57 < kakimir> Steffanx: want me to implement dynamic list?
2017-04-03T15:48:02 < ReadError> it ran whenever it could
2017-04-03T15:48:15 < ReadError> not on a pattern
2017-04-03T15:48:45 < kakimir> mine is works with timer interrupt basis
2017-04-03T15:48:55 < kakimir> because it has to
2017-04-03T15:49:04 < ReadError> so confuse
2017-04-03T15:49:42 < ReadError> so you just run it at like 80hz or so?
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2017-04-03T15:51:20 < kakimir> GPIO interrupt activates read if converter is set active in it's type
2017-04-03T15:52:03 < Steffanx> Do you have an unlimited amount of ram kakimir?
2017-04-03T15:52:03 < kakimir> clock generation is made with timer interrupt calling updater function every now and then
2017-04-03T15:52:11 < kakimir> Steffanx: nobody has
2017-04-03T15:52:43 < Steffanx> I know :)
2017-04-03T15:53:06 < kakimir> unlimited as not some arbitrary limit like 1 or 10
2017-04-03T15:53:29 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIzpOOGSbTo
2017-04-03T15:53:57 < Laurenceb> owned
2017-04-03T15:55:17 < kakimir> where is their tazors and peppers
2017-04-03T15:58:23 < Laurenceb> inside the smashed dashboard of the police volvo
2017-04-03T16:01:17 < fest> older volvos were full of renesas mcus, do newer ones really have stm32s?
2017-04-03T16:01:54 < Laurenceb> interesting question
2017-04-03T16:02:03 < Laurenceb> lets smash a volvo to find out
2017-04-03T16:05:06 < kakimir> they don't have control over 2 niggers wtf
2017-04-03T16:10:12 < Steffanx> Is renesas mcus real automotive-ware?
2017-04-03T16:10:19 < Steffanx> Isnt*
2017-04-03T16:11:24 < Laurenceb> yeah its the pro auto stuff
2017-04-03T16:11:53 < fest> I think they also had a lot of radhard stuff too
2017-04-03T16:12:23 < kakimir> why isn't NULL defined...
2017-04-03T16:12:30 < kakimir> I have stddef included
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2017-04-03T16:16:07 < Steffanx> Its not in stdlib.h either kakimir?
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2017-04-03T16:19:58 < kakimir> is it NULL or Null anyways?
2017-04-03T16:20:13 < kakimir> no change..
2017-04-03T16:20:54 < kakimir> eat>
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2017-04-03T16:24:19 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39475127
2017-04-03T16:24:22 < Laurenceb> my sides
2017-04-03T16:24:40 < Laurenceb> literal cuck insults being used
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2017-04-03T16:34:59 < kakimir> can europeans visit uk anymore?
2017-04-03T16:35:08 < kakimir> or live there?
2017-04-03T16:39:52 < Laurenceb> for next 2 years or so
2017-04-03T16:40:33 < kakimir> after that the country is closed?
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2017-04-03T17:13:23 < kakimir> where are you from Thorn ?
2017-04-03T17:15:36 < kakimir> we need to do a geographic survey here
2017-04-03T17:15:45 < kakimir> a poll
2017-04-03T17:15:50 < kakimir> but editable by voters
2017-04-03T17:34:24 < ReadError> anyone used jekyll before?
2017-04-03T17:34:40 < ReadError> wondering how ruby AIDsie it is
2017-04-03T17:37:30 < kakimir> AIDS
2017-04-03T17:39:24 < Laurenceb> weev
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2017-04-03T17:41:10 < kakimir> why LTE modem is so warm and phone is not that warm with same use
2017-04-03T17:41:21 < kakimir> LTE modem is warm even in idle
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2017-04-03T17:41:36 < kakimir> but arent the chipsets used somewhat same than in phones?
2017-04-03T17:42:41 < kakimir> power regulation may be less optimal?
2017-04-03T17:44:53 < kakimir> less warm than 3g modem though
2017-04-03T17:45:00 < kakimir> it was always warm or even hot
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2017-04-03T18:00:46 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/en/wireless-connectivity/s2-lp.html
2017-04-03T18:00:50 < Laurenceb> interesting...
2017-04-03T18:01:11 < englishman> dont do it laurent
2017-04-03T18:01:24 < englishman> they are taunting you
2017-04-03T18:01:33 < Laurenceb> supposedly it has some cool modulation modes
2017-04-03T18:02:22 < kakimir> could you design a cheap ADB-S transponders for me Laurenceb
2017-04-03T18:02:28 < Laurenceb> direct polar mode
2017-04-03T18:02:40 < Laurenceb> iirc leobodnar already did that
2017-04-03T18:04:33 < kakimir> where is it=
2017-04-03T18:04:44 < Laurenceb> I meant direct polar mode
2017-04-03T18:05:05 < Laurenceb> using the right timing parameters on silabs
2017-04-03T18:05:48 < kakimir> interesting stuff.. sim steering servo for a car simulators
2017-04-03T18:07:05 < Laurenceb> he made a psk transmitting silabs balloon payload iirc
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2017-04-03T18:08:05 < kakimir> sure
2017-04-03T18:08:43 < Steffanx> Is leo still highaltituding Laurenceb ?
2017-04-03T18:08:58 < Laurenceb> no, he got bored of winraring
2017-04-03T18:09:08 < Laurenceb> http://www.aerosimsolutions.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/normal_Gwyn___Leo.jpg
2017-04-03T18:09:29 < Steffanx> Not sure how winrar is related.
2017-04-03T18:09:45 < Laurenceb> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-3/Images/1.jpg
2017-04-03T18:09:52 < Laurenceb> B-64 duration record
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2017-04-03T18:24:09 < englishman> lights off, door locked, sign that says "MOVED" on the door, still motherfuckers gotta ring the doorbell, i go downstairs, unlock the door, "hey can i buy some stuff from this dead company? what do you mean i can't buy stuff?"
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2017-04-03T18:35:24 < sync_> Wut
2017-04-03T18:38:55 < kakimir> do you know how ADB-S works Laurenceb ?
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2017-04-03T18:52:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPlQpGeTbIE music times?
2017-04-03T19:00:11 < PaulFertser> https://www.cnet.com/news/man-dies-after-charging-iphone-in-bath-electrocution/ two questions: the man apparently died from extension cord, not from the phone, right, so how is charging phones dangerous? Second, aren't RCDs mandatory in the UK (and everywhere sane) nowadays?
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2017-04-03T19:01:08 < PaulFertser> And that "enough electricity" comment, wth?
2017-04-03T19:02:48 < kakimir> hmm
2017-04-03T19:04:04 < kakimir> darwin awards
2017-04-03T19:05:41 < PaulFertser> I really can't understand neither this nor the original dailymail article. Why are they talking about phones or phone chargers being dangerous at all? And why there's no investigation as to why RCD didn't work or wasn't installed?
2017-04-03T19:07:34 < Steffanx> Lol weird article PaulFertser
2017-04-03T19:07:44 < kakimir> because mobile phone wars
2017-04-03T19:08:02 < Steffanx> Seems someone without a clue wrote that.
2017-04-03T19:08:22 < PaulFertser> Also, why do not they suspect his nice russian wife Tanya?
2017-04-03T19:08:27 < kakimir> "samsung phone exploded - killed a man"
2017-04-03T19:08:49 < kakimir> so now "iphone charger electrocuted a man in bath"
2017-04-03T19:08:51 < englishman> PaulFertser: rofl
2017-04-03T19:09:19 < englishman> RCD=GFI?
2017-04-03T19:09:33 < englishman> says the cord came from the hallway, GFI is only required in bathroom outlets
2017-04-03T19:09:53 < englishman> what a retarded coroner
2017-04-03T19:13:08 < PaulFertser> englishman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residual-current_device sounds like all wall sockets should be protected.
2017-04-03T19:13:54 < englishman> huh yeah thats cool
2017-04-03T19:13:59 < englishman> but only new installations
2017-04-03T19:14:05 < englishman> i agree they should be everywhere
2017-04-03T19:14:13 < englishman> but they are much more expensive
2017-04-03T19:14:15 < Laurenceb> my rcd blows all the time
2017-04-03T19:14:16 < englishman> and can be tripped with RF
2017-04-03T19:14:30 < Laurenceb> but i load damp toast into my toaster
2017-04-03T19:14:34 < englishman> or by laurential abuse
2017-04-03T19:14:35 < PaulFertser> Probably the house was wired before that was introduced. But then the moral of the story would be rewire your damn houses to have RCD protection on all sockets, not that a small phone is as dangerous as a big hairdryer nonsense.
2017-04-03T19:14:55 < englishman> the phone is irrelevant really
2017-04-03T19:15:03 < englishman> and yet its the focus of the article
2017-04-03T19:15:46 < Laurenceb> cuz iphone
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2017-04-03T19:16:02 < PaulFertser> and "enough electricity"
2017-04-03T19:16:20 < Laurenceb> accidentally as electricity
2017-04-03T19:16:28 < PaulFertser> Is 110V that safer really?
2017-04-03T19:16:35 < englishman> no
2017-04-03T19:16:37 < englishman> 110v is dumb
2017-04-03T19:17:17 < PaulFertser> In theory, half the voltage, half the current...
2017-04-03T19:17:38 < Laurenceb>  half the current
2017-04-03T19:17:39 < Laurenceb> wut
2017-04-03T19:17:57 < Laurenceb> muricans are only 1/4 of a man
2017-04-03T19:19:08 < Laurenceb> 8chan still down
2017-04-03T19:19:17 < Laurenceb> "Updates: April 3, 2017 - 4:30am [GMT] Wew."
2017-04-03T19:19:21 < Laurenceb> my sides
2017-04-03T19:19:35 < PaulFertser> In late soviet times all bathrooms had a socket inside which was galvanically isolated with a very noisy transformer.
2017-04-03T19:21:24 < PaulFertser> Guess how most people dealt with that.
2017-04-03T19:24:32 < gxti> meanwhile in glorious USA we have mandatory AFCIs (arc fault current interrupter) on all circuits feeding a bedroom outlet, which are expensive and useless and trip falsely all the time, but not GFIs on all outlets
2017-04-03T19:25:09 < englishman> yeah those afci are a joke
2017-04-03T19:32:31 < PaulFertser> Was there any visible effect on residential fires statistics?
2017-04-03T19:34:23 < zyp> in norway we've got combined circuit breakers with RCDs on all circuits now
2017-04-03T19:35:41 < zyp> I think there's been talk of AFCI stuff as well, but idk, it just seems stupid
2017-04-03T19:40:07 < Steffanx> kakimir stroopwafels are no longer in my hands.
2017-04-03T19:41:15 < Steffanx> They should be picked up tomorrow from the shop i just handed it in.
2017-04-03T19:41:24 < Steffanx> Them*
2017-04-03T19:42:00 < kakimir> o/
2017-04-03T19:42:04 < Steffanx> You got tracking code right?
2017-04-03T19:44:54 < Steffanx> Is that a yes, kakimir ?
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2017-04-03T19:50:45 < emeb> PaulFertser: Ping
2017-04-03T19:50:49 < PaulFertser> emeb: pong
2017-04-03T19:50:50 < kakimir> no but yes
2017-04-03T19:51:06 < kakimir> well not no
2017-04-03T19:51:07 < emeb> PaulFertser: Over the weekend up updated my openocd install from git
2017-04-03T19:51:17 < kakimir> so yeah
2017-04-03T19:51:19 < emeb> PaulFertser: and now I can no longer program my F7 parts
2017-04-03T19:51:49 < PaulFertser> emeb: do you have details ready?
2017-04-03T19:52:03 < emeb> PaulFertser: I'm gathering a debug log to post for  you. Just a sec...
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2017-04-03T19:54:45 < emeb> PaulFertser: Here's the -d 2 output -> https://pastebin.com/ikhBThby
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2017-04-03T19:55:49 < emeb> I've never needed to put any kind of "unlock" option in the command line before
2017-04-03T19:56:27 < emeb> and the "program" helper script doesn't seem to have a way to do that.
2017-04-03T19:57:29 < PaulFertser> emeb: probably you have some sectors protected?
2017-04-03T19:57:41 < PaulFertser> emeb: "flash info 0" should show info
2017-04-03T19:58:31 < PaulFertser> Yes, the "program" script doesn't have an unlock option.
2017-04-03T20:02:11 < emeb> hmm... added "flash info 0" prior to program and it just gives me usage
2017-04-03T20:03:25 < emeb> ah - need it alone on the command line
2017-04-03T20:03:44 < emeb> https://pastebin.com/0YYMa0We
2017-04-03T20:03:49 < emeb> no protected sectors
2017-04-03T20:04:00 < emeb> PaulFertser: ^
2017-04-03T20:04:55 < emeb> interesting that it says "stm32f2x"
2017-04-03T20:05:25 < PaulFertser> emeb: yes, stm32fx is the driver used for f2, f4 and f7.
2017-04-03T20:05:45 < emeb> aha
2017-04-03T20:05:56 < PaulFertser> emeb: could you please report to the devel mailing list? I do not have an f7 device myself so can't help you here, unfortunately.
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2017-04-03T20:06:10 < emeb> PaulFertser: OK - will do
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2017-04-03T20:17:22 < Laurenceb> https://i.redditmedia.com/pDag3W0o7XB8nhwRwDoim-rSgjn4SnmjNlhYthVQwlk.jpg?w=921&s=79052efdc8568f55ffceb4032190f604
2017-04-03T20:19:22 < Steffanx> Laurenceb: https://tinyurl.com/m53x638
2017-04-03T20:32:13 < emeb> PaulFertser: Nevermind - seems it was a cabling problem. Sorry for noise.
2017-04-03T20:33:44 < PaulFertser> emeb: interesting, I had no idea it could manifest like that. What was it exactly?
2017-04-03T20:34:49 < emeb> PaulFertser: The board I'm testing has a sensitivity to power supplies.
2017-04-03T20:35:31 < emeb> PaulFertser: there's a sneak path where missing one of the supplies can cause the VDDA supply to the F7 MCU to come up faster than the digital VDD which confuses the MCU.
2017-04-03T20:36:10 < PaulFertser> emeb: fancy! And that affects flash memory but not the core, heh.
2017-04-03T20:36:38 < emeb> PaulFertser: It prevents the core from booting properly. Nothing that requires code to run will work.
2017-04-03T20:37:00 < Laurenceb> I've seen a similar issue on F1
2017-04-03T20:37:37 < emeb> Laurenceb: the STM32 datasheets specifically say that VDDA and digital VDD must be within 300mv at all times.
2017-04-03T20:37:46 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-04-03T20:38:29 < emeb> I've seen this issue on F4 and F7.
2017-04-03T20:45:58 < emeb> and what's more fun, asserting NRST after powering up in this mode won't fix it.
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2017-04-03T20:53:00 < upgrdman_> anyone know of a USB UART that can do very fast baud rates? like 10MBaud+
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2017-04-03T20:53:21 < upgrdman> only really care about receiving, if that makes a diff
2017-04-03T20:55:29 < PaulFertser> ft232h and similar can receive 12Mbaud
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2017-04-03T20:57:20 < kakimir> legit ones
2017-04-03T20:57:43 < kakimir> china copys you are lucky to get few megs
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2017-04-03T20:59:44 < PaulFertser> I thought they copy ft232r and such, not h
2017-04-03T21:00:43 < kakimir> oh
2017-04-03T21:07:57 < kakimir> http://fi2.eu.apcdn.com/full/157242.png
2017-04-03T21:08:19 < Steffanx> Someone justifying never he/she never finishes a project?
2017-04-03T21:10:27 < kakimir> you clearly have not been there
2017-04-03T21:11:35 < Steffanx> one can perfectly reverse the order of the images.
2017-04-03T21:16:39 < kakimir> I think the photo series illustrates how you get high of innovating
2017-04-03T21:16:46 < kakimir> and not implementing
2017-04-03T21:17:06 < kakimir> eventually you are so drunk you make even no attempt to do anything
2017-04-03T21:17:26 < kakimir> you are living in innovating nirvana
2017-04-03T21:17:55 < kakimir> good medicine for that is to hang out with engineers
2017-04-03T21:18:02 < kakimir> and talk to them about things
2017-04-03T21:18:07 < ohsix> buns
2017-04-03T21:18:30 < Steffanx> Yeah and then you come up with something like .. emdrive
2017-04-03T21:18:45 < ohsix> what's a project
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2017-04-03T21:25:14 < Streaker> it's a place where underprivileged people live
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2017-04-03T21:50:00 < Steffanx> Any Windows Pro around?
2017-04-03T21:50:21 < ohsix> no
2017-04-03T21:51:55 < Steffanx> Yeah forget about it anyway
2017-04-03T21:53:24 < jpa-> dongs would like this contract template; it forbids one from ever touching anything that could remotely be considered open source
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2017-04-03T21:56:42 < gxti> pro soft only
2017-04-03T21:56:55 < gxti> very smart
2017-04-03T21:58:05 < Steffanx> Got a job already jpa-? :D
2017-04-03T21:59:04 < Steffanx> Dongs isn't anti open sores, as long as the made the sores.
2017-04-03T21:59:06 < Steffanx> *he
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2017-04-03T21:59:34 < jpa-> yeah, old contact.. but not gonna sign this contract :P
2017-04-03T22:04:47 < zyp> haha
2017-04-03T22:05:36 < zyp> I remember licensing was a huge deal when I worked with phone stuff
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2017-04-03T22:18:50 < kakimir> http://termite.apcdn.com/full/157231.jpg
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2017-04-03T22:44:57 < ohsix> lul having to disown other 3d printed objects in the room
2017-04-03T22:45:03 < ohsix> 'that happened before my time'
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2017-04-03T22:59:10 < Laurenceb_> stm32 did nothing wrong
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2017-04-03T23:03:16 < Steffanx> It was Trump.
2017-04-03T23:04:05 < Laurenceb_> Trump did 9/11
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2017-04-03T23:39:55 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: if you decide to use ft232h (or ft2232h, ft4232h) you have to take into account its main clock is 60MHz and you need non-fractional divisor, so it'd be 60 / 5 = 12.
2017-04-03T23:49:55 < aandrew> PaulFertser: I've always had really shitty experiences trying to use openocd with jlink or stlink and gdb. timeouts, gdb assertion failures, comm failures between gdb and the target,e tc. These issues are nonexistent when using something like ozone (gui debugger from segger) on the same hardware... clk speed is slow (1Mhz) but works great at even 10MHz with the proprietary tools. any suggestions? I'd really love to do this all from cmdline without tearing
2017-04-03T23:51:19 < PaulFertser> aandrew: hm, I'm using openocd all the time and it works reliably. I think it's possible to deal with the issues but some investigation, testing, logs etc would be needed.
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2017-04-03T23:53:10 < PaulFertser> aandrew: and btw jlink driver was seriously improved lately, it got faster, more stable, and it supports talking to FPGAs now.
2017-04-03T23:53:23 < PaulFertser> No support for those hacky flash breakpoints though.
2017-04-03T23:53:39 < PaulFertser> Other than that, known to work as expected.
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2017-04-04T00:22:02 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: it's true.. it's too late now
2017-04-04T00:22:21 < kakimir> trumpper did it all
2017-04-04T00:22:41 < kakimir> now he is the president
2017-04-04T00:27:00 < aandrew> PaulFertser: ok. I can join you over in #openocd to provide debug logs etc
2017-04-04T00:27:03 < Laurenceb_> what a time to be alive
2017-04-04T00:27:17 < aandrew> I'm positive that it's something stupid on my part, I just can't figure out what
2017-04-04T00:28:49 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: truelly
2017-04-04T00:29:17 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: maybe you are infected with Trumpitis
2017-04-04T00:29:42 < aandrew> I'm Canadian, I have a natural resistance
2017-04-04T00:29:53 < aandrew> o'learyitis is making the rounds though
2017-04-04T00:31:39 < Laurenceb_> my dad isn't speaking to my half brother or his family cuz they all voted for Trump
2017-04-04T00:31:41 < Laurenceb_> epin lulz
2017-04-04T00:31:47 < aandrew> heh
2017-04-04T00:32:28 < Laurenceb_> it's funny cuz shes azn
2017-04-04T00:32:34 < Laurenceb_> elliot rodgers confirmed
2017-04-04T00:32:47 < Steffanx> Why did you go with your dad to the country of infinite possibilities Laurenceb_?
2017-04-04T00:33:19 < Laurenceb_> cuz it sucks
2017-04-04T00:33:33 < Steffanx> No the uk is great
2017-04-04T00:33:34 < Laurenceb_> food is shit, weather is shit, people are shit, cars are shit
2017-04-04T00:33:41 < Laurenceb_> in muricaland
2017-04-04T00:34:10 < Steffanx> All this shiet suite you ;)
2017-04-04T00:34:24 < Laurenceb_> the only cool thing to do in usa is shoot ppl for lulz
2017-04-04T00:34:45 < Laurenceb_> but then there is no tea to drink to relax afterwards
2017-04-04T00:34:55 < Steffanx> You can do that in uk too
2017-04-04T00:34:56 < Laurenceb_> they unironically drink gatoraid
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2017-04-04T00:35:20 < Laurenceb_> what kind of person unironically drinks gatoraid or mountain dew
2017-04-04T00:35:23 < Laurenceb_> a: a murican
2017-04-04T00:36:02 < Steffannn> But you can join nasa
2017-04-04T00:36:03 < Laurenceb_> whenever I'm in murica I'm like "wtf theres literally nothing to eat or drink"
2017-04-04T00:36:10 < Steffannn> Emdrive to the max
2017-04-04T00:36:17 < Steffannn> Moon
2017-04-04T00:36:35 < Laurenceb_> other than literal cancer
2017-04-04T00:37:34 < Steffannn> EU saved your life, then you commit suicide by brexit.
2017-04-04T00:38:28 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
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2017-04-04T00:41:12 < Steffannn> Just pumping. Crt has taught me well
2017-04-04T00:46:43 < Steffannn> Lol he heard me
2017-04-04T00:48:49 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfTkZmKK1b0 canada pumps
2017-04-04T00:55:56 < kakimir> canada is so vast it scares me
2017-04-04T00:57:34 < englishman> crt
2017-04-04T00:57:37 < englishman> my thermaltronics died
2017-04-04T00:57:42 < englishman> im dickered m8
2017-04-04T00:59:49 < englishman> i heard arcing sounds from inside yes
2017-04-04T00:59:55 < englishman> kakimir how about just one little province https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvpIK7dpCkQ
2017-04-04T01:02:50 < englishman> (the little province 5 times the size of finland)
2017-04-04T01:03:53 < englishman> lildongs went outside
2017-04-04T01:03:54 < kakimir> it's mad
2017-04-04T01:04:04 < kakimir> englishman: with population of just 2 finlands?
2017-04-04T01:04:27 < englishman> 1.5 i think
2017-04-04T01:05:04 < kakimir> and 90% of them live in one metropolitan area?
2017-04-04T01:05:32 < englishman> of coursee
2017-04-04T01:06:48  * kakimir *scrubsbeard*
2017-04-04T01:06:56 < kakimir> I see
2017-04-04T01:10:04 < englishman> it was too cold he didnt make it past the steps
2017-04-04T01:10:20 < kakimir> how is cold today in canada?
2017-04-04T01:11:22 < englishman> 8C, pretty hot
2017-04-04T01:12:55 < kakimir> I win with 0C
2017-04-04T01:13:45 < englishman> snow tomorrow tho
2017-04-04T01:14:15 < kakimir> it snows and melts at same rate
2017-04-04T01:14:31 < kakimir> I hope the snow melts and then there will be really cold nites
2017-04-04T01:14:44 < kakimir> to freeze lake surface
2017-04-04T01:14:51 < kakimir> for my sail thing
2017-04-04T01:16:50 < Laurenceb_> eek failfox has gone mad
2017-04-04T01:16:59 < Laurenceb_> eating all my memory
2017-04-04T01:17:22 < kakimir> typical FF
2017-04-04T01:22:01 < Laurenceb_> this used 3GB https://imgur.com/gallery/qa2rB
2017-04-04T01:22:26 < Laurenceb_> and still failed to load
2017-04-04T01:27:51 < aandrew> quebec is fucking huge
2017-04-04T01:27:53 < aandrew> and full of french
2017-04-04T01:28:07 < Laurenceb_> https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-80/centery:28/zoom:10
2017-04-04T01:28:12 < Laurenceb_> should be getting close soon
2017-04-04T01:29:38 < Laurenceb_> looks like damaged fairing
2017-04-04T01:31:15 < dongs> wat
2017-04-04T01:31:18 < dongs> you linked to some lame shit
2017-04-04T01:34:11 < Laurenceb_> i accidentally over 9000 megapixels
2017-04-04T01:37:23 < kakimir> are french nice people?
2017-04-04T01:37:58 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/YIRBqO0.jpg ...
2017-04-04T01:39:52 < Laurenceb_> whats the resolution?
2017-04-04T01:40:24 < Laurenceb_> how to troll: link people running failfox to over 9000 megapixel images
2017-04-04T01:41:03 < Laurenceb_> crashing your pc with no survivors
2017-04-04T01:41:20 < Laurenceb_> it's a big image... for you
2017-04-04T01:43:34 < Laurenceb_> I was speaking to a normalfag today
2017-04-04T01:43:56 < Laurenceb_> he said Australia is uncultured and out of date, like UK stuck in 1950s forever
2017-04-04T01:44:11 < Laurenceb_> aussies btfo
2017-04-04T01:44:43 < Laurenceb_>  then he said he was going on holiday to Vegas, where he got married
2017-04-04T01:44:46 < Laurenceb_>  ...
2017-04-04T01:46:42 < Laurenceb_> some of the people I drag into my basement lair are awful
2017-04-04T01:46:56 < Laurenceb_> usually they talk about favourite restaurants and shit
2017-04-04T01:47:08 < Laurenceb_> luckily lipstick grrl knows about this stuff
2017-04-04T01:49:46 < kakimir> what it is called when counter resets to zero after reaching a certain value?
2017-04-04T01:49:48 < kakimir> flips?
2017-04-04T01:49:53 < kakimir> overflow?
2017-04-04T01:50:04 < Laurenceb_> reset value
2017-04-04T01:50:18 < Laurenceb_> usually it counts down to zero then reloads at reload value
2017-04-04T01:50:41 < kakimir> so it "resets"
2017-04-04T01:51:04 < kakimir> word reset might be confusing in some context
2017-04-04T01:51:08 < Laurenceb_> how boring must your life be if a restaurant is the height of excitement
2017-04-04T01:51:29 < Laurenceb_> as opposed to say some epin trawlin or just coke and hookers
2017-04-04T01:56:03 < kakimir> what does the lipstick grrl know?
2017-04-04T01:56:05 < kakimir> exactly?
2017-04-04T01:56:28 < Laurenceb_> medical shit
2017-04-04T01:56:44 < Laurenceb_> how to cake herself with makeup so she looks disgusting
2017-04-04T01:57:12 < Laurenceb_> then recruit victims/volunteers for my experiments
2017-04-04T01:57:34 < kakimir> sounds logical
2017-04-04T01:58:18 < Laurenceb_> yeah, surprisingly we get lots even tho she looks disgusting
2017-04-04T02:00:27 < kakimir> you have a thing for disgusting girls?
2017-04-04T02:01:20 < kakimir> what kind of medical tests you are running in your basement?
2017-04-04T02:02:00 < Laurenceb_> blood flow assessment
2017-04-04T02:02:11 < kakimir> where are the bodies Laurenceb_ ? where do you hide them?
2017-04-04T02:02:17 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-04-04T02:04:29 < kakimir> it would be horrible to realize someone was a murderer but there was no evidence and he knew you knew
2017-04-04T02:05:02 < kakimir> mindgames
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2017-04-04T02:47:34 < kakimir> sleep
2017-04-04T02:48:02 < upgrdman> dongs, looks like the charger that came with my note5, and same travel adapter too lol
2017-04-04T02:48:45 < upgrdman> i had to buy my note5 from a venodr in hong kong since i wanted the dual sim version and ~nobody in america carries
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2017-04-04T04:45:54 < dongs> upgrdman: the problem is it doesnt even fit
2017-04-04T04:45:56 < dongs> unles im dumb
2017-04-04T04:46:02 < dongs> ive never seen that retarded arab plug
2017-04-04T04:46:23 < upgrdman> dongs, the ground tip pulls out
2017-04-04T04:46:25 < upgrdman> its a uk plug
2017-04-04T04:46:36 < upgrdman> pull the plastic penis downward
2017-04-04T04:47:21 < upgrdman> s/out/down
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2017-04-04T05:14:05 < dongs> oh lol
2017-04-04T05:15:39 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/4lXaTxG.gifv
2017-04-04T05:15:45 < dongs> seem
2017-04-04T05:15:47 < dongs> seen
2017-04-04T05:15:49 < dongs> extremely old
2017-04-04T05:15:59 < dongs> this was news in like 2001
2017-04-04T05:17:03 < upgrdman> o
2017-04-04T05:36:50 < jadew> "Recommended for you" - in my youtube feed: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TPicHk5ilYA/hqdefault.jpg
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2017-04-04T05:49:20 < stm32> THE METER IS OFF THE DIAL MATE
2017-04-04T06:29:40 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/h8otgrbficpy.jpg
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2017-04-04T07:01:56 < ohsix> h3h
2017-04-04T07:02:09 < ohsix> i built that adapter cable with a bridge rectifier and shit
2017-04-04T07:02:13 < ohsix> those car LEDs are lol.
2017-04-04T07:02:20 < ohsix> on a little scooter it's awesome
2017-04-04T07:03:13 < ohsix> it's up front so you can hear the fan on the led go up and down
2017-04-04T07:05:05 < ohsix> put it in a bike tire to bind it all up, looks like a turd with wires coming out of it
2017-04-04T07:07:16 < ohsix> innertube
2017-04-04T07:14:12 < englishman> dongs, here's a subreddit for you almost as good as shittykickstarters https://www.reddit.com/r/hwstartups/comments/635hwg/going_from_a_rpi_3_prototype_to_production_how/
2017-04-04T07:14:42 < dongs> englishman: isnt that wifivideo thing
2017-04-04T07:14:45 < dongs> that ablomas was pumping
2017-04-04T07:14:47 < englishman> yes
2017-04-04T07:15:11 < dongs> > Our CM can scale to 500 units/month, after that we'll have to take it to Asia to scale.
2017-04-04T07:15:14 < dongs> 500
2017-04-04T07:15:15 < dongs> units
2017-04-04T07:15:16 < dongs> per
2017-04-04T07:15:17 < dongs> month
2017-04-04T07:15:22 < dongs> do tehy hand place each one
2017-04-04T07:15:25 < dongs> once ad ay
2017-04-04T07:16:12 < englishman> you mean hand-assemble some shitty shield to ragepberripi
2017-04-04T07:16:27 < dongs> its connected by usb
2017-04-04T07:16:33 < dongs> so probably just involves plugging in usb cable
2017-04-04T07:16:37 < dongs> into rageberry
2017-04-04T07:16:47 < englishman> time to rake in millions of cali venture money
2017-04-04T07:17:22 < dongs> You could technically FDM print those if it's mm. If you had a decent size bed and printer, then maybe 100 per run. Two printers, ten prints, is 2000 parts. Gonna look rough compared to a molded part though.
2017-04-04T07:17:26 < dongs> jesus christ.
2017-04-04T07:17:31 < dongs> thanks englishman , page closed never to look at it again
2017-04-04T07:17:39 < englishman> glad you enjoyed
2017-04-04T07:21:14 < dongs> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=147955&p=974180
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2017-04-04T07:33:42 < ohsix> eh wtf, 500/mo is 25 a day
2017-04-04T07:34:06 < ohsix> they must be hand soldering or some shit
2017-04-04T07:34:20 < ohsix> (at 20 working days / mo)
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2017-04-04T07:40:31 < ohsix> :< that siglent 200mhz thing for 379 is nut bad looking
2017-04-04T07:40:55 < ohsix> 1202x
2017-04-04T07:42:57 < ohsix> serial trigger/decode for free
2017-04-04T07:45:26 < emeb_mac> 200MHz BW but only 1Gsps
2017-04-04T07:45:40 < emeb_mac> so 5 samples / cycle. Kinda coarse resolution in time.
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2017-04-04T07:47:27 < ohsix> mebbe, and i sort of follow, but don't have a sense for that yet
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2017-04-04T07:47:57 < ohsix> most of the stuff i've done with an uhh, owon 100mhz thing is <25mhz
2017-04-04T07:48:19 < ohsix> though when i was doing the fm transmitter kit it was able to count up to 108mhz lul
2017-04-04T07:48:58 < emeb_mac> It's not unusual to see a scope have limited capability beyond the BW rating
2017-04-04T07:49:15 < emeb_mac> my 60MHz Tek is usable up to 100 with lower gain
2017-04-04T07:50:07 < ohsix> yar
2017-04-04T07:50:32 < ohsix> frequency counter just needs some edges
2017-04-04T07:50:40 < emeb_mac> But I'd guess that a lot of these chinese digital scopes will be coming down in price now that Keysight came out with their new  low-end ones.
2017-04-04T07:50:57 < emeb_mac> 200MHz, 2Gsps for ~700 or so
2017-04-04T07:51:22 < ohsix> SDS8102 is 100mhz/2gsps
2017-04-04T07:51:33 < ohsix> the owon i've used a bunch
2017-04-04T07:51:58 < ohsix> the keysight isn't bad either
2017-04-04T07:52:03 < ohsix> i like their ui
2017-04-04T07:52:07 < emeb_mac> Seriously - check out the new Keysights. They look pretty good.
2017-04-04T07:52:20 < emeb_mac> esp if you only want 2 chl
2017-04-04T07:52:35 < emeb_mac> seems that the trigger input can be used as a 3rd digital channel as well
2017-04-04T07:53:25 < ohsix> yea
2017-04-04T07:53:44 < ohsix> i want one of my own, but don't need it at this point
2017-04-04T07:54:33 < emeb_mac> I've been looking for a >=200MHz 2GSPS 4chl scope for a while
2017-04-04T07:54:58 < emeb_mac> Tek, Keysight, R&S all contenders but the prices are pretty steep for me
2017-04-04T07:55:10 < emeb_mac> everything is $4k or more
2017-04-04T07:55:11 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Goodenough roofl, i'd read the stories going around about new battery chemistry, but only just noticed the name
2017-04-04T07:55:34 < ohsix> th siglent thing has virtual phosphor junk
2017-04-04T07:56:08 < ohsix> i'm kind of excited to see what ends up in newer designs now that everything is landing in the inexpensive ones
2017-04-04T07:56:16 < emeb_mac> true.
2017-04-04T07:57:01 < emeb_mac> the upgrade path on those kinda bugs me - the hardware supports the max capability but you have to fork over $$$ to turn on the features.
2017-04-04T07:58:24 < Kitlith> that is just *asking* for a software/hardware hack to enable them.
2017-04-04T07:59:01 < emeb_mac> yeah
2017-04-04T07:59:34 < emeb_mac> apparently that's available but anytime it pops up on the web the mfgs send out DMCA takedowns.
2017-04-04T07:59:47 < Kitlith> had an amusing thought: using the osciloscope to analyze itself.
2017-04-04T08:00:55 < ohsix> do it
2017-04-04T08:01:08 < ohsix> the ground ref is right :p
2017-04-04T08:01:11  * Kitlith doesn't own an oscilloscope....
2017-04-04T08:01:30 < Kitlith> well, scratch that, I think we have an OLD oscilloscope somewhere.
2017-04-04T08:01:38 < ohsix> the dso138 & friends are easy to probe
2017-04-04T08:01:46 < boB_K7IQ> Kitlith Use soldering iron to fix its own cord ?
2017-04-04T08:02:01 < ohsix> though their documentation doesn't have you do anything interesting with it
2017-04-04T08:02:26 < ohsix> hurr that siglent runs loonix
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2017-04-04T08:06:30 < jadew> emeb_mac, IMO the keysight is not an easy choice
2017-04-04T08:06:41 < jadew> no LAN, only USB and only 4 channels
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2017-04-04T08:07:01 < emeb_mac> jadew: err... 4 chl?
2017-04-04T08:07:02 < jadew> what exactly are they offering to compete with the cheap Rigol and Siglents?
2017-04-04T08:07:07 < emeb_mac> you mean 2, right?
2017-04-04T08:07:08 < jadew> sorry, 2 channels
2017-04-04T08:07:09 < jadew> yeah
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2017-04-04T08:07:21 < emeb_mac> jadew: higher sample rate
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2017-04-04T08:07:46 < emeb_mac> "Keysight Quality" :)
2017-04-04T08:07:51 < jadew> emeb_mac, not that big of a deal if the BW doesn't take you there
2017-04-04T08:08:04 < emeb_mac> jadew: actually it is
2017-04-04T08:08:26 < Kitlith> me: "built in protocol decoder? useless without more channels and the ability to customize the protocols that can be used."
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2017-04-04T08:08:38 < emeb_mac> like I said before - 200MHz scope w/ only 1GSPS means just 5 samples/cycle
2017-04-04T08:08:53 < jadew> emeb_mac, that's not bad
2017-04-04T08:09:15 < jadew> if it's 200 MHz, you can have 1 billion samples/cycle
2017-04-04T08:09:19 < jadew> and it will look the same
2017-04-04T08:09:21 < ohsix> Kitlith: except spi and i2c and lots of other shit is essentially 2 pins
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2017-04-04T08:09:48 < jadew> ohsix, SPI is not 2 pins
2017-04-04T08:09:49 < ohsix> so some means a lot
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2017-04-04T08:10:23 < jadew> even 3 channels is not enough in most situations for SPI
2017-04-04T08:10:33 < jadew> sure, you can get by, but it sucks
2017-04-04T08:10:51 < Kitlith> Sure, but so far the things I've worked with... what, 12 pins? 8 for data, a few more for control signals.
2017-04-04T08:10:57 < ohsix> at least you can tell if chip select matters
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2017-04-04T08:11:28 < ohsix> Kitlith: 8/16 channel fx2 thing -> 4$
2017-04-04T08:11:38 < jadew> I wouldn't give up my 4 channel rigol for the new keysight
2017-04-04T08:11:43 < Kitlith> link?
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2017-04-04T08:12:40 < emeb_mac> yeah - that's my main hangup - want 4chl
2017-04-04T08:12:42 < Kitlith> because blast, that sounds too good to be true, which probably means it's a chineese knockoff... but it's all I could possibly afford, anyways.
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2017-04-04T08:13:01 < jadew> emeb_mac, I'm sort of looking forward to siglent now
2017-04-04T08:13:14 < jadew> maybe they'll come up with a cheap 4 channel scope
2017-04-04T08:13:15 < emeb_mac> something good coming?
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2017-04-04T08:13:38 < jadew> they already have a pretty decent one, but I think the price was a bit high when I last checked
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2017-04-04T08:14:56 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CY7C68013A-56-EZ-USB-FX2LP-USB2-0-Develope-Board-Module-Logic-Analyzer-EEPROM-AX/32666671073.html
2017-04-04T08:16:01 < jadew> emeb_mac, http://www.siglent.eu/sds2104x.html
2017-04-04T08:16:09 < Kitlith> >20-39 days shipping
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2017-04-04T08:17:23 < Kitlith> ohsix, does it have sigrok support?
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2017-04-04T08:20:47 < Kitlith> actually, I'll ask in #sigrok
2017-04-04T08:20:51 < emeb_mac> available from saelig here in us
2017-04-04T08:21:06 < emeb_mac> looks like the options aren't too bad either.
2017-04-04T08:21:26 < emeb_mac> <$200 for the decoders & arb
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2017-04-04T08:30:44 < Kitlith> ohsix, if I'm not wrong, that's just the usb interface chip that a lot of the clones use, no fpga or anything.
2017-04-04T08:31:41 < Kitlith> (I may be wrong)
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2017-04-04T08:33:22 < Kitlith> yeah, I'm wrong.
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2017-04-04T10:04:55 < ohsix> blah
2017-04-04T10:05:10 < ohsix> need to learn machine learning to parse irc and show me the good stuff in a summary
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2017-04-04T11:24:45 < ohsix> oof, using hd280s for the first time in a long time
2017-04-04T11:24:55 < ohsix> like running into an old flame
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2017-04-04T12:07:29 < jadew``> sup?
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2017-04-04T12:45:56 < karlp> hrm, what's the easiest way of taking bootloader.elf and app.elf and making a single flashable image?  objdump app.elf to .bin, relink booloader.elf with app.bin at a fixed offset?
2017-04-04T12:46:08 < karlp> or both to .hex and combine?
2017-04-04T12:46:14 < karlp> or is there some better trick?
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2017-04-04T12:50:13 < karlp> hrm, relinking app with the binary bootloader is probably saner.
2017-04-04T12:53:58 < zyp> karlp, what's the goal?
2017-04-04T12:54:12 < zyp> do you want the end result to be an elf?
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2017-04-04T12:59:06 < karlp> not especially, but that would be a nice bonus.
2017-04-04T12:59:30 < karlp> just a flashable bin/hex thing for flashing production devices in one go
2017-04-04T12:59:53 < karlp> using the bootloader to flash the production image would work too, but.... I don't want to change their processes just yet,
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2017-04-04T13:39:22 < Steffanx> Im here crt :/
2017-04-04T13:39:29 < Steffanx> o/
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2017-04-04T14:01:43 < kakimir_> I think I want my boards to talks with each other with infrared
2017-04-04T14:01:48 < kakimir_> or am I wrong?
2017-04-04T14:02:03 < kakimir_> do I actually want them to talk with some cheap radios?
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2017-04-04T14:02:50 < kakimir> clock sync and syncronized start of recording log file
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2017-04-04T15:03:08 < TheSeven> "Each power supply pair must be decoupled with filtering ceramic capacitors as shown above." - and what does that mean for e.g. the F207V which has a lot more VDD pins than VSS?
2017-04-04T15:05:40 < Laurenceb> It is very likely 8chan has been targeted by fascist communists who wanted to crack down on our freedom of speech. As we all know, Mr. George Soros is no fan of 8chan
2017-04-04T15:06:15 < TheSeven> actually we have 8 positive pins there (including vdda and vref+) but only 4 GND pins (including vssa)
2017-04-04T15:16:54 < zyp> TheSeven, V was 100pin?
2017-04-04T15:17:03 < TheSeven> yup, LQFP100
2017-04-04T15:17:14 < zyp> hang on, I took a screenshot last somebody asked
2017-04-04T15:17:31 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/UU8xr.png
2017-04-04T15:17:33 < TheSeven> I'd probably decouple those additional Vdd pins with 100nF to the ground plane
2017-04-04T15:17:53 < zyp> here's how I've decoupled a F40xxV, same footprint as F207xV AFAIK
2017-04-04T15:19:15 < TheSeven> well we know that they didn't bother at all on the stm32f4discovery and just placed a pack of 4 parallel 100nFs somewhere
2017-04-04T15:19:25 < zyp> that's pointless
2017-04-04T15:19:37 < TheSeven> it sure is, but that's what ST did themselves ;)
2017-04-04T15:20:12 < zyp> it's not the capacitance that matters, but the impedance
2017-04-04T15:20:29 < zyp> if you're not going to distribute them around, there's no real value in having more than one
2017-04-04T15:20:38 < TheSeven> which makes me think that this will probably work just fine regardless of what you do - but it's weird that the datasheet talks about pairs when some aren't paired at all
2017-04-04T15:23:14 < zyp> also, going by what they did on the discovery board is probably not a good idea, it's not supposed to be a recommended design :p
2017-04-04T15:24:11 < TheSeven> yeah, my point is just that "hm, I've done it that way and it seems to work" doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good design if even their crap design seems to work ;)
2017-04-04T15:24:27 < karlp> you can just leave them off if you like too.
2017-04-04T15:24:31 < karlp> things will "work"
2017-04-04T15:33:48 < Ecco> hey :)
2017-04-04T15:34:00 < Ecco> Is it possible to tell if GPIOs are connected to an UART?
2017-04-04T15:34:38 < TheSeven> i.e. sense if something external is attached to uart pins?
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2017-04-04T15:35:06 < Ecco> yes, exactly
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2017-04-04T15:35:31 < Ecco> well, more precisely, sense if another UART is attached to the UART pints
2017-04-04T15:35:35 < TheSeven> uart signals are idle high
2017-04-04T15:35:38 < Ecco> ok
2017-04-04T15:35:48 < TheSeven> so enable internal pull-down on RX
2017-04-04T15:35:51 < Ecco> So I can simply poll the UART/TX?
2017-04-04T15:36:02 < Ecco> sorry, RX indeed
2017-04-04T15:36:13 < Ecco> Ok, interal pull-down on RX and see if it's high
2017-04-04T15:36:23 < TheSeven> you can either poll that, or use an EXTI edge trigger, or check if the uart detects an idle state
2017-04-04T15:36:37 < Ecco> now, dumb question: why would the pull-up on the other side "win"?
2017-04-04T15:36:41 < TheSeven> (nothing being attached would be a BREAK state if you enable pull-down)
2017-04-04T15:37:12 < TheSeven> the transmitting side drives the signal "strongly", i.e. low impedance
2017-04-04T15:37:21 < Ecco> ok
2017-04-04T15:37:32 < TheSeven> the internal pull-down is "weak", 50kohm or something like that
2017-04-04T15:37:33 < Ecco> So that seems like the simplest and most bullet-proof solution
2017-04-04T15:37:42 < Ecco> I remember reading 40k indeed
2017-04-04T15:37:57 < Ecco> I'm going to try this
2017-04-04T15:37:58 < Ecco> thanks a lot
2017-04-04T15:38:26 < TheSeven> the uart can give you an error IRQ if it detects a break state (i.e. disconnection)
2017-04-04T15:39:09 < TheSeven> I think there's also a way to let it trigger an IRQ if it detects an idle state (floating high for more than 11 bit times or so)
2017-04-04T15:39:18 < Ecco> ok
2017-04-04T15:39:23 < Ecco> I just need something really stupid though
2017-04-04T15:39:36 < Ecco> at a given point in time, check if another UART is connected
2017-04-04T15:39:53 < TheSeven> just read the GPIO pin then
2017-04-04T15:39:59 < Ecco> yeah, i'm gonna try that
2017-04-04T15:40:00 < Ecco> thanks!
2017-04-04T15:40:07 < TheSeven> that might read low during communication though
2017-04-04T15:40:14 < Ecco> Indeed
2017-04-04T15:40:42 < Ecco> thanks for the help (and the warning)
2017-04-04T15:40:50 < TheSeven> so it might be better to sense connection with EXTI and disconnection through BREAK detection
2017-04-04T15:41:13 < Ecco> I see
2017-04-04T15:41:19 < Ecco> I'm going to go for the simple version first
2017-04-04T15:41:23 < Ecco> and see if it does the job
2017-04-04T15:42:04 < TheSeven> BREAK is detected by the UART if the pin is low for a consecutive amount of time that is longer than what the protocol allows for at that baud rate
2017-04-04T15:43:40 < Ecco> ok
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2017-04-04T15:48:08 < karlp> TheSeven: hrm, you're banking a lot on the other sides uart rx pullups being strong enough to override your pulldowns.
2017-04-04T15:48:53 < Ecco> karlp: would you have another idea?
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2017-04-04T15:49:23 < TheSeven> karlp: the other side is TX, if I pull down RX
2017-04-04T15:49:42 < karlp> depends what other things you're thinking might be attached.
2017-04-04T15:49:51 < karlp> but I mean, a usb2uart dongle, that hasn't had the port opened?
2017-04-04T15:49:56 < karlp> or is that not meant to count?
2017-04-04T15:50:05 < TheSeven> whatever drives a uart signal should be capable of knocking out a 40k pulldown
2017-04-04T15:50:30 < TheSeven> and if something doesn't drive it, you simply have no way of detecting it
2017-04-04T15:52:00 < karlp> if it's an actual uart port,
2017-04-04T15:52:08 < karlp> why not just poll RXNE though?
2017-04-04T15:52:57 < TheSeven> that tells you even less about presence of a device on the other end
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2017-04-04T15:56:54 < Ecco> In fact I don't really care
2017-04-04T15:57:00 < Ecco> there are 2 cases that I'm interested in
2017-04-04T15:57:19 < Ecco> 1 - Facing UART is connected and open
2017-04-04T15:57:22 < Ecco> 2 - Anything else
2017-04-04T15:57:41 < Ecco> On those pins, there will either be a usb2uart dongle or nothing
2017-04-04T15:57:51 < karlp> then TheSeven's pulldowns on your rx is probably pretty good.
2017-04-04T15:58:08 < karlp> though, I normally have internal pull_ups_ enabled on my rx lines, to make sure everything in the chain is actually working,
2017-04-04T15:58:18 < karlp> ie, isolators and transceivers in front of the uart itself.
2017-04-04T15:59:01 < TheSeven> I'd usually pull RX up as well, but then again I just want it to shut up if nothing is connected and not sense whether something is attached
2017-04-04T15:59:12 < Ecco> I see, thanks :)
2017-04-04T15:59:17 < zyp> karlp, how does that help, isn't it high while idle as well?
2017-04-04T15:59:41 < karlp> well, I was getting spurious 0 bytes sometimes on my rs485 transceivers that I really didn't want.
2017-04-04T15:59:49 < karlp> internal pull up -> no more garbage
2017-04-04T16:00:16 < karlp> related to the illegal states on the tranceivers when the far side is undriven and so on.
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2017-04-04T16:01:10 < TheSeven> that should be taken care of on the "outside" of the transceivers though
2017-04-04T16:01:40 < TheSeven> the line from your receiver to the MCU's RX is usually *never* floating, not even if the input of the receiver isn't driven
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2017-04-04T16:02:09 < karlp> that's not been my experience, and the truth tables for cheap rs485 transceivers doesn't agree with you
2017-04-04T16:02:15 < karlp> hence the reason for "true failsafe" trasnceviers
2017-04-04T16:03:02 < TheSeven> interesting, never had issues with that - and I've used fairly cheap transceivers
2017-04-04T16:06:18 < karlp> the common case that's not always listed is A==B.
2017-04-04T16:06:26 < karlp> not open inputs, but both grounded for instance.
2017-04-04T16:07:36 < karlp> diff needs ot be > 200mV or < -200mV.
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2017-04-04T17:01:56 < TheSeven> will SWD still work properly over 70cm of IDC cable?
2017-04-04T17:05:49 < dongs> only one way to find out
2017-04-04T17:06:36 < dongs> but my experience of running it over garbage jumper wires terminated into pin headers and extending into more jumper wires wouold say it should work, maybe if you drop teh speed down a bit
2017-04-04T17:07:07 < TheSeven> what kind of speed do these cheap stm32f4discovery-style stlink things even run at?
2017-04-04T17:07:25 < dongs> i think < 5mhz , i forget waht xactly
2017-04-04T17:07:26 < karlp> ~2MHz
2017-04-04T17:07:28 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-04T17:07:31 < dongs> that sounds about right
2017-04-04T17:07:32 < karlp> newest ones can do ~4 iirc.
2017-04-04T17:08:16 < TheSeven> and even 5MHz sounds like it should work across that kind of wiring if they didn't go completely crazy with drive strength
2017-04-04T17:08:29 < dongs> yaeh
2017-04-04T17:08:32 < dongs> they cant
2017-04-04T17:08:36 < dongs> its just generic gpio
2017-04-04T17:08:51 < TheSeven> well I hope generic GPIO configured for 2MHz and not 100 or whatever then
2017-04-04T17:09:58 < dongs> psh
2017-04-04T17:10:06 < dongs> isnt stlink still on F103?
2017-04-04T17:13:41 < TheSeven> hm, I thought those had drive strength control as well - but I've never worked with anything other than f030, f072, f107 (which I hate), f2xx and f4xx
2017-04-04T17:13:46 < dongs> they do
2017-04-04T17:13:53 < dongs> but its like 2 10 50 iirc
2017-04-04T17:13:56 < dongs> sdoesnt go to 100
2017-04-04T17:35:17 < zyp> dongs, obtw, when were you going to assemble D4A stuff?
2017-04-04T17:36:25 < TheSeven> hmm, I've now built a 190cm stretch of dupont jumper wires
2017-04-04T17:36:29 < dongs> well, i asked for BOM while on teh way to china but got busy, i need to pickup some odd R / C values thaT I don't have otherwise whenever
2017-04-04T17:36:49 < dongs> i have it, just need to go through and see waht i got stocked
2017-04-04T17:36:51 < TheSeven> with GND - SWDIO - nRST - SWCLK pinout it works just fine
2017-04-04T17:37:01 < TheSeven> if I disconnect nRST and leave that line floating it doesn't
2017-04-04T17:37:14 < TheSeven> this cheapo stlink seems to be running at 950kHz according to openocd
2017-04-04T17:37:15 < dongs> is nrst pulled p at the processor
2017-04-04T17:37:47 < TheSeven> yup, the board itself operates just fine, just the debugger can't connect ("jtag status contains invalid mode value")
2017-04-04T17:38:24 < TheSeven> to be clear I've disconnected that wire at BOTH ends, it's just a floating piece of metal in between swclk and swdio
2017-04-04T17:38:44 < TheSeven> if I connect it just at the MCU side and leave it floating at the stlink end, it works just fine
2017-04-04T17:39:57 < TheSeven> connecting it only at the stlink end DOESN'T work, the stlink's nRST pin is probably floating
2017-04-04T17:43:34 < dongs> technically swd doesnt need nrst, it can reset by the debug bits only. maybe stlink cant
2017-04-04T17:44:02 < TheSeven> it works with the nrst pin disconnected at the stlink side, just not when it's disconnected at the mcu side
2017-04-04T17:44:10 < dongs> ..
2017-04-04T17:44:11 < dongs> oh
2017-04-04T17:44:12 < TheSeven> this is most likely a signal integrity thing
2017-04-04T17:44:13 < dongs> yeah, probably hten
2017-04-04T17:44:21 < dongs> tho thats weird
2017-04-04T17:44:24 < dongs> cuz nrst should be out only
2017-04-04T17:44:27 < dongs> and not affect anything
2017-04-04T17:45:15 < TheSeven> I'm also confused - it only has a very weak pull-up on the MCU side, yet attaching that side helps
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2017-04-04T17:48:01 < karlp> I thought you wanted a cap to ground on nrst, not a pullup.
2017-04-04T17:48:04 < TheSeven> it's probably the 100nF cap on that line that helps
2017-04-04T17:48:14 < TheSeven> karlp: the pullup is internal to the chip
2017-04-04T17:48:21 < karlp> right.
2017-04-04T17:48:23 < dongs> karlp: only if you want to time reset or something.
2017-04-04T17:48:40 < TheSeven> a 1k pull-up fixes it, a 10k DOESN'T, and a 1k pull-DOWN doesn't either
2017-04-04T17:48:56 < karlp> well pulldown would be, "keep in reset" surely.
2017-04-04T17:49:12 < TheSeven> no, just attached to the floating dupont wire, not to the MCU board
2017-04-04T17:50:31 < zyp> dongs, ok, lemme know, I got all the PTH parts here now
2017-04-04T17:50:38 < TheSeven> yup, 100nF to either GND or VCC helps => this is an xtalk thing
2017-04-04T17:52:55 < TheSeven> ok, shortened the cable to 100cm, now it works without the cap as well
2017-04-04T17:53:38 < TheSeven> given that I will have an unused SWIM line between these two on the st-link pinout, I'll just place a cap footprint to Vcc or GND on the MCU board
2017-04-04T17:57:24 < TheSeven> I'd expect it to work without anything placed there at 70cm cable length, but if it doesn't, a cap will take care of it
2017-04-04T18:08:02 < englishman> i had one board that didnt work with swd over a long cable, unless i kept my finger over the pins (increased capacitance)
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2017-04-04T18:47:25 < Ecco> Am I reading the spec right : apparently you cannot schedule more than 64k writes using the DMA controller
2017-04-04T18:48:09 < TheSeven> who'd ever do that anyway? ;)
2017-04-04T18:48:50 < Ecco> :-)
2017-04-04T18:49:50 < Ecco> That seems weird
2017-04-04T18:53:00 < Ecco> I quite don't get what's a DMA burst transfer
2017-04-04T18:57:39 < TheSeven> that has something to do with how DMA accesses memory and the peripheral on the system bus
2017-04-04T18:57:47 < Ecco> oh, I see
2017-04-04T18:57:48 < TheSeven> how many words it transfers at once
2017-04-04T18:58:17 < TheSeven> that might need tweaking if you need really high throughput or low latency on something
2017-04-04T18:58:45 < Ecco> I see
2017-04-04T18:59:03 < Ecco> Also, why does the DMA controller worry about "memory-to-memory" vs "memory-to-peripheral" transfers?
2017-04-04T18:59:10 < Ecco> I mean, as long as a peripheral is memory-mapped
2017-04-04T18:59:56 < TheSeven> for memory-to-peripheral, the peripheral tells the DMA controller when it is ready to accept data - for memory-to-memory, the DMA needs to handle that differently
2017-04-04T19:00:40 < TheSeven> i.e. there is no DMA request line for mem-to-mem
2017-04-04T19:02:36 < Ecco> oh, I see
2017-04-04T19:03:00 < Ecco> so for memory-mapped peripherals, (like FSMC), in terms of DMA it works just like mem-to-mem
2017-04-04T19:03:16 < zyp> depends
2017-04-04T19:03:33 < TheSeven> I'd only call the "control part" of FSMC a memory-mapped peripheral - the external memory address space itself is just memory
2017-04-04T19:03:39 < zyp> memory-to-memory mode doesn't really have anything to do with whether you're transferring to peripherals or memory or not
2017-04-04T19:04:17 < branjb> why are stm32 footprints designed with half the rmii pins on one side and half on the other?
2017-04-04T19:04:22 < zyp> the whole thing M2M mode does is disable the dma trigger mechanism, which essentially just makes the DMA job go as fast as possible
2017-04-04T19:05:03 < zyp> you can have memory to memory transfers that's not using M2M mode, if you want them triggered by a DMARQ
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2017-04-04T19:06:44 < Laurenceb> https://gfycat.com/MellowBarrenHuia
2017-04-04T19:08:06 < Ecco> zyp: I see. Thanks!
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2017-04-04T19:12:38 < TheSeven> branjb: that's annoying me right now as well
2017-04-04T19:13:37 < branjb> haha
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2017-04-04T19:32:34 < Ecco> In memory-to-memory DMA transfer, how do you set the source and destination addresses?
2017-04-04T19:33:03 < TheSeven> just like you do for memory-to-peripheral
2017-04-04T19:33:13 < Ecco> yeah, but which is the source and which is the destination?
2017-04-04T19:33:28 < Ecco> I mean, you can chose "memory-to-peripheral" or "peripheral-to-memory"
2017-04-04T19:33:29 < TheSeven> should be mentioned in the reference manual
2017-04-04T19:33:39 < TheSeven> which chip?
2017-04-04T19:33:42 < Ecco> therefore it's easy to tell which is the source and which is the destination
2017-04-04T19:33:43 < Ecco> F412
2017-04-04T19:34:51 < TheSeven> page 197
2017-04-04T19:35:03 < Ecco> Ha found it
2017-04-04T19:35:04 < TheSeven> (table 32)
2017-04-04T19:35:05 < Ecco> ok thanks
2017-04-04T19:35:08 < Ecco> perfect thank you
2017-04-04T19:47:02 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeXRMcTZvMlBXNG8/view?usp=sharing toys
2017-04-04T19:47:42 < Ecco> Oh nice
2017-04-04T19:47:47 < Ecco> Jet engine?
2017-04-04T19:49:44 < kakimir> yes
2017-04-04T19:52:21 < Steffanx> What is kakimir going to use it on?
2017-04-04T19:52:30 < Steffanx>  /for
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2017-04-04T20:11:09 < kakimir> jetpack
2017-04-04T20:11:48 < kakimir> that jet engine is from your country Steffanx
2017-04-04T20:12:04 < Steffanx> oh it is? Where?
2017-04-04T20:12:13 < kakimir> AMT turbines
2017-04-04T20:12:33 < kakimir> "Geldrop"
2017-04-04T20:13:14 < kakimir> engine model Titan
2017-04-04T20:13:21 < kakimir> 40kg static thrust
2017-04-04T20:13:24 < Steffanx> That website, damnnn
2017-04-04T20:14:01 < kakimir> quite okay
2017-04-04T20:15:30 < kakimir> actually it's for use with speedchute so there is wing involved
2017-04-04T20:15:36 < Steffanx> but jetpack.. ?!
2017-04-04T20:15:41 < Steffanx> oh, ok
2017-04-04T20:15:48 < Steffanx> explains it all
2017-04-04T20:15:53 < kakimir> should do easy 100km/h
2017-04-04T20:15:56 < kakimir> and more
2017-04-04T20:16:02 < Steffanx> What does one pay for something like that?
2017-04-04T20:16:12 < kakimir> 10kiloeur without vat
2017-04-04T20:16:30 < kakimir> some parts are quite expensive
2017-04-04T20:16:37 < kakimir> like potentiometer box 300eur
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2017-04-04T20:16:41 < Steffanx> And it's yours?
2017-04-04T20:16:53 < kakimir> no I just get to work with it
2017-04-04T20:16:57 < kakimir> :/
2017-04-04T20:17:01 < Steffanx> awh :P
2017-04-04T20:17:22 < kakimir> and use it in autumn with glider
2017-04-04T20:17:23 < kakimir> !
2017-04-04T20:18:05 < kakimir> with 40kg of thrust I think slippery oneseatter will be the bomb
2017-04-04T20:19:03 < kakimir> and it won't stop pushing at any speed you fly
2017-04-04T20:19:19 < kakimir> like propeller has low speed
2017-04-04T20:20:59 < kakimir> at V never exceed I stink it will still put out 20-30kg of thrust
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2017-04-04T20:42:11 < Streaker> I like how you slipped in that autobiographical nugget
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2017-04-04T21:29:37 < englishman> Laurenceb: this fucking AXSEM shit man
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2017-04-04T21:34:32 < emeb> more magic numbers?
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2017-04-04T21:34:42 < englishman> actually yes
2017-04-04T21:35:15 < englishman> <datasheet> Do not write to any registers not listed in this table.
2017-04-04T21:35:29 < englishman> <programming manual> Yo here's some extra registers, just write a bunch of shit here, trust us.
2017-04-04T21:35:49 < englishman> <register generation tool> Yo here's those same registers with completely different values, plus some extra registers not listed in the datahset OR the PM.
2017-04-04T21:38:22 < Steffanx> hah, stop using that crap englishman.
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2017-04-04T21:56:14 < englishman> wtf its working now
2017-04-04T21:56:17 < englishman> \o/
2017-04-04T21:56:31 < englishman> 2psk demodulation @56k
2017-04-04T21:56:57 < englishman> as i expected the problem is with its poorly documented hdlc implementation...
2017-04-04T21:59:19 < Steffanx> lies.
2017-04-04T21:59:36 < ohsix> or is it
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2017-04-04T22:01:32 < ohsix> what are you doing around so much Steffanx
2017-04-04T22:01:42 < ohsix> as i hit enter i realize it could just be me being up earlier
2017-04-04T22:01:47 < Steffanx> Im not around "so much".
2017-04-04T22:01:58 < ohsix> way more than 'usual'
2017-04-04T22:02:05 < ohsix> ☃
2017-04-04T22:02:06 < englishman> nice, only 1kHz freq deviation between tx/rx on cheap xtals
2017-04-04T22:02:10 < Steffanx> no, your information is falsch.
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2017-04-04T22:02:16 < Steffanx> my holidays are over ohsix ;)
2017-04-04T22:02:28 < Steffanx> *vacation.. days off work, whatever you want to call it.
2017-04-04T22:06:00 < upgrdman> now youre back to slaving away for the white man?
2017-04-04T22:06:14 < Steffanx> Affirmative.
2017-04-04T22:07:39 < zyp> I fucking hate US export restriction bullshit
2017-04-04T22:09:12 < upgrdman> what kinda IEDs is zyp making now
2017-04-04T22:09:31 < zyp> well, I want to buy STEVAL-3DP001V1
2017-04-04T22:09:58 < zyp> fucking only places with it in stock are mouser and digikey and both refuse to ship to norway
2017-04-04T22:10:17 < upgrdman> lol, a 3d printer controller is export restricted?
2017-04-04T22:10:21 < upgrdman> damn that sucks
2017-04-04T22:10:26 < zyp> yeah, it's fucking retarded
2017-04-04T22:10:36 < zyp> probably some crypto shit in the wifi module or some shit
2017-04-04T22:10:42 < upgrdman> does that stm32 have 1337 h4x0r crypto support
2017-04-04T22:10:44 < upgrdman> ahh ya
2017-04-04T22:11:08 < upgrdman> we cant lets the europeans have cutting edge wifi modules after all
2017-04-04T22:11:52 < upgrdman> hmm why do those electrolytic caps have red markings on them
2017-04-04T22:12:01 < upgrdman> red == solid polymer or some shit?
2017-04-04T22:15:06 < zyp> I dug up my old 3d printer kit and started completing/improving it
2017-04-04T22:15:59 < zyp> tomorrow I'll get a new extruder/hotend, so I'm just missing the controller board to complete it
2017-04-04T22:16:32 < upgrdman> so what do you 3d print
2017-04-04T22:16:34 < zyp> I mean, I have the arduino/ramps shit that came with the kit, but I'm so little tempted to spend time wiring up that when I'm not going to use that in the long run anyway
2017-04-04T22:16:45 < upgrdman> like mech eng stuff (gears, etc.) or maker stuff or what
2017-04-04T22:17:05 < sync_> it is pretty pathetic as it is designed in the eu, but them .no guys are not in the eu :D
2017-04-04T22:17:31 < zyp> upgrdman, idk, I never completed the kit so I've yet to print anything
2017-04-04T22:17:38 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-04T22:18:31 < zyp> a couple of friends just got a prusa i3 mk2s each, so I kinda got inspired to get back into it myself
2017-04-04T22:18:59 < zyp> I figure it'll be useful for enclosure shit, at least
2017-04-04T22:26:08 < Steffanx> If ill ever have to 3d print ill use that 3d print hub. Looked into it once and it seems pretty offordable.
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2017-04-04T22:34:42 < englishman> nice, figured out the packet shit
2017-04-04T22:34:47 < englishman> it means i cant use the onboard fec tho
2017-04-04T22:35:08 < englishman> but, it means i can use superior software fec
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2017-04-04T22:45:31 < Steffanx> Yay, just plugged in some 230V-USB adapter, it said boom.
2017-04-04T22:47:35 < englishman> thats too many V for usb
2017-04-04T22:47:50 < Steffanx> 230V to 5V/usb adapter mr englishman.
2017-04-04T22:47:55 < Steffanx> wise-ass.
2017-04-04T22:51:48 < Steffanx> Decapping like a pro: http://imgur.com/a/SmVoP
2017-04-04T22:52:41 < kakimir> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRJUwk_w16U
2017-04-04T22:55:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKpssYjqWGs hah nice video to show to my instructor
2017-04-04T22:58:47 < Steffanx> that company has all kinds of great commercials.
2017-04-04T22:59:42 < kakimir> I see there is like hundreds I guess
2017-04-04T23:00:25 < Steffanx> like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN_9kcam3Gc
2017-04-04T23:01:55 < zyp> well, my first plan is printing parts for a better 3d printer frame :p
2017-04-04T23:02:20 < englishman> you just got started in 3dicking?
2017-04-04T23:02:30 < englishman> be prepared for a house full of printed junk
2017-04-04T23:10:21 < zyp> well, I bought the kit six years ago, but I haven't printed anything yet :p
2017-04-04T23:12:09 < jadew> make superhero figurines with your face on them
2017-04-04T23:12:34 < jadew> or you can buy already made ones and just print the head
2017-04-04T23:14:23 < zyp> haha
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2017-04-04T23:20:51 < englishman> my latest thing was couch spacers to keep the gap between the couch and wall to a price and consistent amount
2017-04-04T23:20:59 < englishman> *precice
2017-04-04T23:21:05 < englishman> *precise, fuck
2017-04-04T23:21:18 < jadew> a small piece of wood doesn't cut it anymore?
2017-04-04T23:21:44 < englishman> it can move around and get lost
2017-04-04T23:21:54 < jadew> I'd make enclosures
2017-04-04T23:22:45 < jadew> and tweezers
2017-04-04T23:23:32 < englishman> every ragepberripi gets a 3dicked enclosure
2017-04-04T23:24:13 < jadew> is the result strong enough?
2017-04-04T23:24:25 < englishman> plenty
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2017-04-04T23:28:41 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/nWUe4Cz.jpg
2017-04-04T23:28:43 < aandrew> englishman: couch spacer or cut-to-length piece of 2x4?
2017-04-04T23:28:55 < englishman> yeah but
2017-04-04T23:29:01 < englishman> then when the couch gets moved to clean
2017-04-04T23:29:07 < englishman> you gotta put it back and align and sheeit
2017-04-04T23:29:52 < aandrew> englishman: tht picture isn't a very effective couch spacer
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2017-04-04T23:58:11 < Laurenceb_> fascist communist reptlilians from the CIA hacked my 8chan
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2017-04-05T00:05:18 < Laurenceb_> they deserve rape
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2017-04-05T00:05:49 < Laurenceb_> http://samuel-warde.com/samuel-warde.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Just-Desserts.jpg
2017-04-05T00:05:56 < Laurenceb_> literal trollface
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2017-04-05T00:17:44 < TheSeven> F2 doesn't have hardware controlled driver enable for UART, does it?
2017-04-05T00:19:42 < aandrew> TheSeven: I don't think so, no
2017-04-05T00:19:43 < upgrdman> hmm. glad i added a waterfall dft to my telemetry viewer. pretty picture of some psu rails:  http://farrellf.com/temp/waterfall_dfts.png
2017-04-05T00:19:48 < aandrew> I am working on an F207 board
2017-04-05T00:20:11 < TheSeven> that's a really useful addition on the newer F0 chips then
2017-04-05T00:20:42 < aandrew> and have RS485, I'm setting the DE in the ISR and setting a timer to expire ~10 bit times later when the holding register empty interrupt fires
2017-04-05T00:20:54 < aandrew> TheSeven: it's nice, but not at all necessary
2017-04-05T00:22:04 < TheSeven> yeah, but it's basically zero cost to do it in hardware, and having to mess with it is annoying ;)
2017-04-05T00:22:09 < aandrew> *nods*
2017-04-05T00:22:15 < aandrew> I really like the feature when it's available
2017-04-05T00:22:40 < aandrew> rookie mistake is to use THRE to turn off DE and then wonder why your last byte doesn't send correctly :-)
2017-04-05T00:22:56 < aandrew> TSRE is the shit, if avail.
2017-04-05T00:23:57 < karlp> aandrew: why not use the TC interrupt?
2017-04-05T00:24:11 < aandrew> TC?
2017-04-05T00:24:16 < TheSeven> I guess that might be too late for some applications
2017-04-05T00:24:18 < karlp> turn on TCIE in the last byte, turn DE off when TC fires.
2017-04-05T00:24:23 < aandrew> TC == terminal count to me
2017-04-05T00:24:29 < karlp> it's "the way" as per ST's rs485 app notes
2017-04-05T00:24:32 < karlp> transfer complete
2017-04-05T00:24:35 < aandrew> ahh
2017-04-05T00:24:39 < karlp> it's the irq when the byte has actually drained
2017-04-05T00:24:41 < aandrew> same idea I guess
2017-04-05T00:24:49 < karlp> rather than the txbuffer empty for new data
2017-04-05T00:24:53 < aandrew> TC is same as THRE I think
2017-04-05T00:24:58 < aandrew> not TSRE
2017-04-05T00:25:01 < aandrew> have to go read again
2017-04-05T00:25:08 < TheSeven> in my case it will work as I'm only working with <1Mbit/s and have plenty of guard time, but for higher speeds it might be problematic
2017-04-05T00:25:17 < karlp> there's TXE, which means it's been transferred to the shift register and you can write again,
2017-04-05T00:25:25 < karlp> and TC is when the byte has drained from the shift register.
2017-04-05T00:25:40 < aandrew> ah, so that is the right way then
2017-04-05T00:25:44 < aandrew> that's TSRE
2017-04-05T00:25:52 < aandrew> transmitter shift reg empty
2017-04-05T00:26:01 < karlp> not in ST's terminology ;)
2017-04-05T00:26:19  * karlp doesn't care or know about 8250 compatible shitz
2017-04-05T00:28:13 < karlp> englishman: you got a hdlc implementaiton in hardware on that rf chip?
2017-04-05T00:28:24 < englishman> yes
2017-04-05T00:28:28 < karlp> zyp: hey, join the export restriction club.
2017-04-05T00:28:44 < zyp> karlp, yeah, I feel your pain
2017-04-05T00:30:09 < aandrew> hdlc is export restricted?!
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2017-04-05T00:30:38 < Steffannn> Hi crt
2017-04-05T00:31:07 < karlp> zyp: did I tell you I bitched to the digikey reps at embedded world?
2017-04-05T00:31:18 < karlp> I only got an "uh huh, that sure does sound odd, I'll look into it"
2017-04-05T00:31:23 < karlp> no reply email or anything yet though ;)
2017-04-05T00:31:26 < zyp> heh
2017-04-05T00:31:36 < aandrew> karlp: what broke?
2017-04-05T00:32:01 < TheSeven> stuff that implements AES etc. being export restricted to *europe* after being manufactured in *china* is kinda pointless
2017-04-05T00:32:04 < englishman> like i said karlp "looks good on paper"
2017-04-05T00:32:24 < karlp> aandrew: yeah, aes hw is a pain with digikey.
2017-04-05T00:32:32 < aandrew> ahh
2017-04-05T00:32:42 < aandrew> no avr
2017-04-05T00:32:43 < karlp> they left iceland on the export restrictions list in the 90s for some reason.
2017-04-05T00:32:51 < karlp> but they're only applying it to some parts.
2017-04-05T00:33:08 < karlp> like, I could buy some 802.15.4 ICs, but not the dev boards, and some other branded dev boards but not the ics.
2017-04-05T00:33:18 < karlp> and many of the stm32 discos are banned to me as well now.
2017-04-05T00:33:20 < TheSeven> well I can't seem to get an f437 or something shipped to germany
2017-04-05T00:33:23 < jpa-> it's only smart; you wouldn't want to give nukes to polar bears
2017-04-05T00:33:34 < karlp> and they steadfastly refuse to acknowledge tthat they're not actually following the law at all
2017-04-05T00:34:47 < aandrew> you're in Iceland?
2017-04-05T00:34:49 < englishman> lol racistkey
2017-04-05T00:35:04 < englishman> they didnt want to sell me u.cocks
2017-04-05T00:35:13 < englishman> so i got them from u.cocks directly for less money
2017-04-05T00:35:30 < karlp> aandrew: yeah man.
2017-04-05T00:35:57 < karlp> so, it
2017-04-05T00:36:11 < karlp> so, I _get_ why digikey got there :)
2017-04-05T00:36:15 < Laurenceb_> racist against cockistan?
2017-04-05T00:36:25 < karlp> iceland got forgotten on the export restrictions list when the encryption shit was lifted.
2017-04-05T00:36:27 < Laurenceb_> thats just not acceptable
2017-04-05T00:36:33 < karlp> iceland only got removed a couple of years later
2017-04-05T00:36:48 < karlp> but digikey had just changed their shit and wasn't interested in actually being up todate with the DOJ
2017-04-05T00:38:49 < englishman> yooo Laurenceb_
2017-04-05T00:38:54 < englishman> i got 56k 2psk working gr8 m8
2017-04-05T00:39:05 < Laurenceb_> wow
2017-04-05T00:39:17 < Laurenceb_> so their recommendations were a lie?
2017-04-05T00:39:22 < englishman> fully
2017-04-05T00:39:37 < englishman> will do some range testing tomorrow
2017-04-05T00:39:41 < englishman> with -10dBm tx
2017-04-05T00:39:58 < Laurenceb_> do you have an attenuator unit?
2017-04-05T00:40:06 < englishman> yeah but you know how it goes
2017-04-05T00:40:07 < TheSeven> how come I can order stuff on aliexpress that I can't order at mouser?
2017-04-05T00:40:13 < Laurenceb_> thats how I did testing, ground to ground range is a massive pita
2017-04-05T00:40:22 < Laurenceb_> due to weird multipath
2017-04-05T00:40:23 < TheSeven> just because it makes a little detour through the US?
2017-04-05T00:40:25 < englishman> on the bench there is a lot of near field shiz
2017-04-05T00:40:34 < englishman> with inductors emitting etc
2017-04-05T00:40:40 < Laurenceb_> yea but if you have about ten meters of coax its possible
2017-04-05T00:40:54 < Laurenceb_> I used coax between floors in a steel building
2017-04-05T00:41:00 < englishman> well i have these -30dB attenuators
2017-04-05T00:41:07 < Laurenceb_> then several chokes and two attenuators
2017-04-05T00:41:39 < Laurenceb_> it was still a massive pita due to signal leakage, but it seemed I was able to consistently measure down to the -131dBm or so rx threshold
2017-04-05T00:42:22 < englishman> unfortunately onchip fec is not usable without hdlc, and i cannot get hdlc working
2017-04-05T00:42:28 < Laurenceb_> basically adding more chokes and shit
2017-04-05T00:42:31 < englishman> so looks like it's software rs
2017-04-05T00:42:35 < Laurenceb_> then seeing if performance changes
2017-04-05T00:42:50 < englishman> but that's for later
2017-04-05T00:42:56 < Laurenceb_> when you reach the point where its not changing your leakage is low enough
2017-04-05T00:42:57 < Laurenceb_> ok
2017-04-05T00:43:19 < englishman> this is on cheap xtals too
2017-04-05T00:43:32 < Laurenceb_> nice
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2017-04-05T00:43:46 < Laurenceb_> I had problems with leakage through mains and ethernet at first
2017-04-05T00:44:02 < Laurenceb_> lots of foil and shit, that was a pita testing job
2017-04-05T00:44:31 < englishman> interestingly
2017-04-05T00:44:40 < englishman> oscillator tolerances increases with baudrate
2017-04-05T00:45:03 < Laurenceb_> yeah that makes sense, its wider
2017-04-05T00:45:04 < TheSeven> that's logical
2017-04-05T00:45:10 < englishman> but with 2psk
2017-04-05T00:45:17 < englishman> i thought it would be the other way around
2017-04-05T00:45:27 < Laurenceb_> I found testing with coax between floors was easier than a range test
2017-04-05T00:45:50 < Laurenceb_> once I shouted and swore at all the leakage paths I managed to get sane and consistent results
2017-04-05T00:45:58 < Laurenceb_> range test was complete junk
2017-04-05T00:46:13 < englishman> going to try 38.4kbps in 50kHz rxbw for this
2017-04-05T00:46:19 < Laurenceb_> was testing in park and it seemed someone riding a bike 100m away was enough to screw everything
2017-04-05T00:46:57 < englishman> O.o
2017-04-05T00:47:01 < Laurenceb_> bbl
2017-04-05T00:53:35 < englishman> hmm time to try out f0 low power modes
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2017-04-05T01:02:54 < TheSeven> me has seen as low as 7µA with the RTC running ;)
2017-04-05T01:03:06 < TheSeven> but it can be a real pain to get there
2017-04-05T01:03:41 < englishman> that's exactly what i'm looking for, rtc alarm wakeup
2017-04-05T01:04:04 < TheSeven> watch out for floating GPIOs
2017-04-05T01:04:14 < englishman> yeah heh
2017-04-05T01:05:10 < englishman> what is the lowest power state?
2017-04-05T01:05:12 < englishman> driven high?
2017-04-05T01:05:42 < TheSeven> I don't think it matters much as long as there's no current flowing in our out and there's no toggling
2017-04-05T01:06:51 < TheSeven> another pitfall is the clock source being HSI after coming back from sleep
2017-04-05T01:07:19 < englishman> looks like i was actually smart and put super weak pullups on chip select lines
2017-04-05T01:07:37 < Laurenceb_> I only managed 45µA with F103 :(
2017-04-05T01:07:44 < englishman> no problem since this runs on hsi anyway, don't have to start/stop hse
2017-04-05T01:07:46 < Laurenceb_> almost all leakage from other shit
2017-04-05T01:07:52 < TheSeven> last time I was wondering why current was jumping around like a jackrabbit in the order of a couple hundred microamps, it turned out to be some conductive crap below another chip
2017-04-05T01:08:26 < zyp> TheSeven, 7uA? that's with vdd still powered then?
2017-04-05T01:08:37 < TheSeven> yup
2017-04-05T01:08:40 < zyp> right
2017-04-05T01:08:52 < Laurenceb_> I have a datalogger revision that always powers up an RN-42 bluetooth when its charging
2017-04-05T01:08:53 < TheSeven> with full memory retention and everything
2017-04-05T01:08:56 < zyp> running RTC from vbat is supposed to be around 1uA or so
2017-04-05T01:09:06 < Laurenceb_> the ~50mA current spikes screw up the charger ic :S
2017-04-05T01:10:09 < TheSeven> I measured an average of 22µA with my temperature/humidity data loggers pinging their base every 3 seconds and recording a measurement to flash every 10 seconds
2017-04-05T01:10:25 < Laurenceb_> impressive
2017-04-05T01:10:43 < Laurenceb_> this isnt using bluetooth I'm guessing?
2017-04-05T01:10:53 < TheSeven> kinda tricky to even measure a proper average, given that there are spikes of around 20mA
2017-04-05T01:11:09 < TheSeven> nope, based on nrf24l01+
2017-04-05T01:11:41 < Laurenceb_> I c
2017-04-05T01:11:43 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/thumb/512bd43d9c/10284.png
2017-04-05T01:11:49 < TheSeven> at 1mW transmission power
2017-04-05T01:12:15 < TheSeven> I was surprised to see that adding a power amplifier and upping that to 100mW seems to only double the average current
2017-04-05T01:12:49 < englishman> yeah, actual tx time is pretty low
2017-04-05T01:12:53 < englishman> especially with nrf24
2017-04-05T01:13:06 < TheSeven> oscillator startup time dominates the current draw of the nrf
2017-04-05T01:13:20 < TheSeven> or listening for responses, if you do that (which I did on that one)
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2017-04-05T01:18:07 < englishman> hey i think it's been a while since you chatted here
2017-04-05T01:18:09 < englishman> if so, welcome back
2017-04-05T01:18:43 < TheSeven> heh yeah, I'm on and off, depending on which project I'm working on
2017-04-05T01:24:27 < englishman> is that 7ua in STANDBY or SLEEP
2017-04-05T01:24:54 < TheSeven> I think SLEEP, the one where SRAM is still retained
2017-04-05T01:25:04 < TheSeven> and with LSI + RTC operating
2017-04-05T01:25:10 < TheSeven> on F030F4P6
2017-04-05T01:25:19 < TheSeven> i.e. probably lowest you can get on F series
2017-04-05T01:25:28 < englishman> can i wake up from rtc alarm in STANDBY? cube isn't clear
2017-04-05T01:25:55 < TheSeven> IIUC you should, but you'd lose all state outside of RTC, i.e. the chip resets during wakeup
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2017-04-05T01:26:09 < englishman> that's fine, as long as there's an interrupt flag i can check on startup
2017-04-05T01:26:56 < TheSeven> there should be one in the RTC itself and one in some "reset reason" register indicating that it came back from stop mode
2017-04-05T01:27:41 < TheSeven> that said I'm not sure how much current STANDBY mode will save vs. STOP, the RTC + LSI might already be dominating that
2017-04-05T01:28:11 < TheSeven> hah, that moment when a component costs about 4 times as much on aliexpress than it does on mouser
2017-04-05T01:28:21 < englishman> cube seems to indicate STOP will draw more current
2017-04-05T01:29:46 < englishman> which i guess correlates what the rm says
2017-04-05T01:29:47 < TheSeven> note that stop also means that all GPIOs will go Hi-Z
2017-04-05T01:29:55 < TheSeven> er standby
2017-04-05T01:30:13 < englishman> yeah
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2017-04-05T01:38:47 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: funny
2017-04-05T01:39:09 < englishman> wtf the "periodic wakeup timer" isnt supported in HAL
2017-04-05T01:39:11 < englishman> just the alarm
2017-04-05T01:39:36 < TheSeven> periodic wakeup is only available on fairly new chips
2017-04-05T01:39:43 < TheSeven> I guess they haven't updated the HAL for that
2017-04-05T01:39:57 < englishman> oh hm youre right
2017-04-05T01:40:00 < englishman> its not on f042
2017-04-05T01:40:06 < ohsix> boop
2017-04-05T01:40:10 < TheSeven> f072 has it
2017-04-05T01:40:16 < englishman> ywp
2017-04-05T01:40:24 < englishman> but still not in HAL
2017-04-05T01:40:26 < englishman> :(
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2017-04-05T02:57:35 < upgrdman> whats neat about the periodic wakeup timer? why not just timer with interrupts and __WFI() ?
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2017-04-05T03:23:34 < aandrew> periodic wakeup timer? I suppose it lets you shut down the core and shit for better power savings
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2017-04-05T05:25:46 < ohsix> butthungry
2017-04-05T05:29:29 < ohsix> what's wrong with me http://imgur.com/a/ky02J these boobs are not appropriate
2017-04-05T05:30:20 < aandrew> you can tell she eats well
2017-04-05T05:31:21 < englishman> ohsix: that is the weakest blogger imaginable, and yes they are fake as fuck http://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/SexyCyborg
2017-04-05T05:33:12 < aandrew> ya think?
2017-04-05T05:33:38 < englishman> i guess if you cannot arduino, just pump up your tits and pretend you can
2017-04-05T05:33:53 < englishman> lesson for you upgrdman
2017-04-05T05:35:04 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-05T05:35:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, maybe it's cause her tits *look* fake (they are, but they all LOOK fake too)
2017-04-05T05:35:52 < upgrdman> s/all/also
2017-04-05T05:38:26 < aandrew> dammit
2017-04-05T05:38:29 < aandrew> that's my problem
2017-04-05T05:38:39 < aandrew> I can't arduino and my tits are not all that attractive
2017-04-05T05:51:29 < ohsix> bluh
2017-04-05T05:51:32 < ohsix> it's depressing
2017-04-05T05:51:46 < ohsix> she's constantly trolling make magazine and the pi foundation tho
2017-04-05T05:52:33 < ohsix> in isolation, getting huge breasts and being a nearly naked provocateur is kind of lame
2017-04-05T05:53:17 < ohsix> getting used to breast implants must be interesting, first you want to get them, then you get them, and you're all 'hey these aren't big enough, i'm bored', more titties!
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2017-04-05T06:26:47 < jadew> nice link ohsix
2017-04-05T06:27:06 < jadew> makes me hungry
2017-04-05T06:28:13 < jadew> you know what imgur needs?
2017-04-05T06:28:21 < jadew> "Clone to GitHub"
2017-04-05T06:29:19 < jadew> oh that's the same chick you posted about last week
2017-04-05T06:29:43 < jadew> didn't realize her tits were amazing
2017-04-05T06:30:17 < jadew> (fake or not)
2017-04-05T06:32:17 < jadew> aandrew, they're definitely attention grabbing (may not feel great to the touch, but they look good)
2017-04-05T06:32:51 < englishman> they look as tired and as fake as her "skills" with electronics
2017-04-05T06:33:30 < jadew> like I care about her hobbies
2017-04-05T06:33:58 < stm32> the dirty rig
2017-04-05T06:34:14 < ohsix> jadew: it's a distraction
2017-04-05T06:34:18 < ohsix> which is a shame
2017-04-05T06:34:30 < jadew> I don't compute, what's a shame?
2017-04-05T06:34:41 < jadew> that it's a distraction from her being a wonderful person?
2017-04-05T06:35:07 < ohsix> might as well be in clown makeup all the time so people notice your clown makeup first
2017-04-05T06:36:16 < jadew> I think that if you are a wonderful person, you don't enlarge your boobs so much that every man around you feels like leaning forward and sinking his face in there
2017-04-05T06:36:20 < ohsix> ebay has me sketched out about flash cards
2017-04-05T06:36:34 < stm32> what are you guys stm32ing on about?
2017-04-05T06:36:40 < ohsix> jadew: maybe that's it
2017-04-05T06:36:54 < englishman> stm32: whats pumping m8
2017-04-05T06:36:56 < jadew> stm32, boobs http://imgur.com/a/ky02J
2017-04-05T06:37:06 < englishman> im modulating like a pro
2017-04-05T06:37:12 < englishman> shifting phases 0 and 180
2017-04-05T06:37:34 < jadew> englishman, DIY radio or module?
2017-04-05T06:37:39 < stm32> clean mate
2017-04-05T06:37:46 < stm32> just pumping the new shop englishman
2017-04-05T06:37:51 < englishman> straight from the IC to the PCB
2017-04-05T06:38:04 < englishman> writing my own documentation as i go along
2017-04-05T06:38:14 < ohsix> neat, transcend has a serial checker that is specific enough to say that this good one i have was produced and came from amazon
2017-04-05T06:38:20 < ohsix> https://www.transcend-info.com/support/verification
2017-04-05T06:38:35 < ohsix> *produced for
2017-04-05T06:38:54 < ohsix> also a lifetime warranty isn't bad
2017-04-05T06:39:18 < jadew> englishman, how do you do that, outputting from the ADC and then upconverting?
2017-04-05T06:39:22 < jadew> DAC
2017-04-05T06:39:34 < englishman> no its a transceiver iC
2017-04-05T06:39:40 < englishman> im not that hardcore, or autistic
2017-04-05T06:39:41 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/original-Memory-Card-C10-16GB-32GB-64GB-8GB-Micro-SD-Card-SDHC-SDXC-UHS-I-U1/32799440799.html oh shit official pandisk store!
2017-04-05T06:39:42 < jadew> ah
2017-04-05T06:39:53 < jadew> hehe
2017-04-05T06:39:56 < ohsix> englishman: what boardwhatever
2017-04-05T06:40:01 < ohsix> i saw a bit of tha tbut didn't read the log
2017-04-05T06:40:03 < englishman> my boards
2017-04-05T06:40:19 < ohsix> are they for sell
2017-04-05T06:40:32 < ohsix> just tx?
2017-04-05T06:40:43 < stm32> sweet
2017-04-05T06:40:44 < englishman> why would i tx if i could not rx
2017-04-05T06:40:52 < stm32> kamikaze v1
2017-04-05T06:41:04 < ohsix> dunno, most rx shit doesn't do tx, assume the converse is true
2017-04-05T06:41:08 < jadew> to screw up with the neighbours IoT devices
2017-04-05T06:41:18 < englishman> actually i have a cool icelandic name for it
2017-04-05T06:41:19 < ohsix> need separate antennas and shiz
2017-04-05T06:41:22 < englishman> inspired by karl
2017-04-05T06:42:40 < ohsix> url
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2017-04-05T06:43:16 < ohsix> also i got a pile of nrf24 and need something interesting to do with them
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2017-04-05T06:45:36 < englishman> no site, i need one of those web5.0 scrolly websites
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2017-04-05T06:47:33 < jadew> wow, check out these prices: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2pcs-Baofeng-UV-5R-Handheld-FM-Dual-Band-VHF-UHF-Two-way-Walkie-Talkie-Radio-KF-/282411838724
2017-04-05T06:47:58 < jadew> 2 for 11 pounds
2017-04-05T06:47:59 < ohsix> jadew: heh
2017-04-05T06:48:14 < jadew> that's insane
2017-04-05T06:48:17 < ohsix> those low feedback accounts with crazy stuff are bs
2017-04-05T06:48:24 < ohsix> i've tested with a few orders from them
2017-04-05T06:48:27 < jadew> think so?
2017-04-05T06:48:29 < ohsix> they just get cancelled
2017-04-05T06:48:30 < ohsix> ya
2017-04-05T06:48:40 < ohsix> try and order it, most you risk is a refund
2017-04-05T06:48:40 < englishman> oyea total scam
2017-04-05T06:49:20 < jadew> what's the scam tho?
2017-04-05T06:49:23 < ohsix> Your order was placed.
2017-04-05T06:49:24 < ohsix> Estimated delivery:  Tue, 25 Apr–Fri, 02 Jun
2017-04-05T06:49:32 < ohsix> jadew: that they're not noticed, i don't really know
2017-04-05T06:49:38 < ohsix> i'll let you know if i get them
2017-04-05T06:50:13 < ohsix> don't need them but wouldn't mind having lul
2017-04-05T06:50:20 < englishman> probably to pump up the paypal account
2017-04-05T06:50:25 < ohsix> Package Include:
2017-04-05T06:50:25 < ohsix> 20 sets
2017-04-05T06:50:30 < ohsix> lul
2017-04-05T06:50:46 < jadew> heh
2017-04-05T06:50:59 < jadew> so you get 40
2017-04-05T06:51:05 < jadew> ok, let me know how it goes, I only need 2
2017-04-05T06:51:06 < ohsix> eh the thing ReadError found with the wifi quad things, that was legit-ish; someone ended up with a pile and just wanted rid of them
2017-04-05T06:51:12 < ohsix> order them
2017-04-05T06:51:20 < ohsix> if we're both lucky we'll get radios
2017-04-05T06:53:07 < jadew> I already have a pair
2017-04-05T06:53:24 < ohsix> 14.14$usd
2017-04-05T06:53:33 < ohsix> so you can sell either the new or the old pair for hot money
2017-04-05T06:53:33 < ReadError> ordered what now?
2017-04-05T06:53:43 < ohsix> ReadError: order this 20:47 < jadew> wow, check out these prices: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2pcs-Baofeng-UV-5R-Handheld-FM-Dual-Band-VHF-UHF-Two-way-Walkie-Talkie-Radio-KF-/282411838724
2017-04-05T06:53:47 < ohsix> it's another ebay party
2017-04-05T06:54:02 < ohsix> jadew: the scam might be that the 60 days run out and some people don't notice
2017-04-05T06:54:10 < ReadError> wow thats cheap
2017-04-05T06:54:13 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, I fell for that once
2017-04-05T06:55:19 < ohsix> sun wuwu    (The recipient of this payment is Non-U.S. - Verified)
2017-04-05T06:55:19 < ohsix> wuwsu_0
2017-04-05T06:55:19 < ohsix> v71115851@126.com
2017-04-05T06:55:28 < ohsix> seller deetz
2017-04-05T06:55:51 < ohsix> heheh this is kind of like giving a dollar to a kickstarter to see the drama
2017-04-05T06:56:10 < kuldeep> Hey everyone, im building a VT100 compatible minature terminal (with all the features). https://hackaday.io/project/13273-diy-vt100   diy-VT100!
2017-04-05T06:56:36 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-05T06:56:45 < ohsix> pal and i were talking about terminal emulation the other day
2017-04-05T06:57:31 < ohsix> when he was in the 'school', a professor made him write one for windows 3.11, had to implement scrolling regions and lots of stuff because terminals were barely useful over 1200/2400/whatever without them
2017-04-05T06:57:34 < kuldeep> pcb for rev4 will be delivered today. will have a 5inch screen and will support full 80x24 characters (actually capable of 80x40 chars) with speaker, led, usb keyboard, ps2 keyboard and extention connector to attach new hardware
2017-04-05T06:58:01 < Rickta59> i thought it was 80x25
2017-04-05T06:58:14 < kuldeep> extend new functionality
2017-04-05T06:58:28 < kuldeep> Rickta59, afair VT100 had 80x24 chars
2017-04-05T06:58:46 < Rickta59> maybe i was thinking of those at&t terminals I used
2017-04-05T06:59:15 < ohsix> saw another boob play some vax games with a weird terminal emulator, had multi sized fonts and some sort of gradient color stuff
2017-04-05T06:59:24 < kuldeep> Rickta59, :) im hoping community will implement various other terminals too. (im starting with VT100 :)
2017-04-05T06:59:46 < ohsix> ReadError: jadew: http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=wuwsu_0&myworld=true&items=25&iid=-1&de=off&which=negative&interval=365 huhu
2017-04-05T07:00:01 < Rickta59> http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1984/03/18/page/64/article/high-tech-communications-to-bring-olympians-together
2017-04-05T07:00:11 < ReadError> lol jadew
2017-04-05T07:00:13 < ReadError> why
2017-04-05T07:00:27 < ohsix> http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=wuwsu_0&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&searchInterval=30 look at all those 'no longer a user'
2017-04-05T07:00:29 < Rickta59> so at&t lent thos terminals to the olympics .. then we ended up with them
2017-04-05T07:00:37 < ohsix> they're like, bots buying fake stuff and leaving feedback
2017-04-05T07:02:13 < ohsix> hm
2017-04-05T07:02:26 < ohsix> the scam might be that bots doing purchases don't care and just leave positive feedback
2017-04-05T07:02:47 < ohsix> usually by the time they've got 25 feedback they start showing up in searches for stuff (from experience)
2017-04-05T07:03:19 < ohsix> i think the last scam thing i took a shot on was like that, and it was an sd card
2017-04-05T07:03:35 < ohsix> ebay killed the account and said if i haven't paid i don't have to do anything
2017-04-05T07:10:26 < jadew> I'm trying to find two with boxes
2017-04-05T07:10:37 < jadew> but "Note: Packaging Box is not Include"
2017-04-05T07:10:56 < jadew> mine came with boxes
2017-04-05T07:10:59 < jadew> and they were cheaper
2017-04-05T07:12:28 < jadew> I paid 37 pounds, shipping included
2017-04-05T07:12:40 < jadew> now they cost 40 pounds + 10 shipping and no fucking box
2017-04-05T07:14:09 < ohsix> you got 2 for 37?
2017-04-05T07:14:14 < jadew> yeah
2017-04-05T07:14:23 < ohsix> knew they were sort of inexpensive but didn't look / expect to need one
2017-04-05T07:14:24 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-05T07:14:40 < ohsix> is that the one that has the rf transistor that shits the bed
2017-04-05T07:14:55 < jadew> I don't know
2017-04-05T07:14:58 < ohsix> there was a dude in here that had one that failed but i don't remember who
2017-04-05T07:15:11 < jadew> I've played with them quite a lot
2017-04-05T07:15:25 < jadew> with tits too
2017-04-05T07:18:33 < jadew> found some on ali
2017-04-05T07:18:47 < jadew> and I have a choice from where to be delivered
2017-04-05T07:18:56 < jadew> Chaina, Spain, Italy and Russia
2017-04-05T07:19:01 < jadew> *Chinia
2017-04-05T07:19:03 < jadew> ffs
2017-04-05T07:19:37 < jadew> anyway, they will deliver to Romania only from China
2017-04-05T07:26:09 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/WJ7JrHg.jpg
2017-04-05T07:28:29 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8ntkzcWsAQgpa2.jpg:large
2017-04-05T07:28:58 < jadew> is that a flow chart?
2017-04-05T07:29:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: heh that's also the only question, so maximum google juice
2017-04-05T07:29:14 < ohsix> jadew: probably not, just looks like it
2017-04-05T07:29:23 < ohsix> what it is is a tragedy in 5 acts
2017-04-05T07:29:56 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/849471231212617732
2017-04-05T07:30:00 < ohsix> vic berger is on that shit
2017-04-05T07:30:25 < ohsix> the culture jamming media remixing dudes are on their shit generally
2017-04-05T07:32:50 < jadew> http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/president-trumps-flowchart-for-deregulating-infrastructure/
2017-04-05T07:34:04 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Reza_Zadeh/status/849160032608440320
2017-04-05T07:34:40 < ohsix> jadew: you don't need that kind of theatrics when you are actually doing stuff
2017-04-05T07:37:25 < jadew> pretty sure it was something like "Can you print this flow chart on long A2? That would be cool."
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2017-04-05T07:38:58 < jadew> they probably needed the less funny version for figuring out what can be restructured
2017-04-05T07:40:09 < ohsix> uh oh there are spies here https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/849465420734222337
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2017-04-05T07:55:18 < englishman> yo r2pro
2017-04-05T07:55:56 < englishman> stm64 proj http://i.imgur.com/Roq4Xo3.jpg
2017-04-05T07:56:37 < englishman> 7mm rem mag
2017-04-05T07:56:49 < englishman> but i got some 223 today and started on that
2017-04-05T07:57:08 < englishman> ar pro
2017-04-05T07:58:06 < englishman> oyea creedmore is the 308 one
2017-04-05T07:58:15 < englishman> grendel is the ar hipster
2017-04-05T08:00:09 < englishman> ruger precision is pretty dope, was considering it
2017-04-05T08:00:38 < englishman> but went with the ole savage
2017-04-05T08:01:06 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-05T08:01:09 < englishman> they are tumbling now
2017-04-05T08:01:31 < upgrdman> R2COM, re: music... gay
2017-04-05T08:02:30 < englishman> i guess it depends on how many
2017-04-05T08:02:46 < englishman> the thing is rifle brass has to be trimmed, which slows it down a lot
2017-04-05T08:03:01 < englishman> for 223 i am using my lee classic turret
2017-04-05T08:03:35 < englishman> lee dies and powder measure. rcbs swager
2017-04-05T08:03:55 < englishman> i guess including trimming its like 1 a minute
2017-04-05T08:04:07 < englishman> but you can build up whatever you want
2017-04-05T08:04:19 < englishman> like baking a cake
2017-04-05T08:04:57 < upgrdman> i wonder if intel will use altera to try and out do amd
2017-04-05T08:05:07 < englishman> lee dies do it in 3 steps, sizing/deprime, bullet seat, crimp
2017-04-05T08:05:15 < englishman> then another for powder, or you can do it by hand
2017-04-05T08:05:25 < upgrdman> like have intel cpus auto generate fpga buttstreams as needed and use an internal fpga as an accelerator
2017-04-05T08:06:22 < upgrdman> hmmm k
2017-04-05T08:07:30 < englishman> the cat is helping http://i.imgur.com/UUv4JMh.jpg
2017-04-05T08:07:44 < englishman> lee dies go in the machine
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2017-04-05T08:08:00 < englishman> 223 can be done on a progressive press, which is a bit faster
2017-04-05T08:08:24 < englishman> i have a progressive press for pistol rounds that dont have to be trimmed
2017-04-05T08:09:30 < englishman> high quality kitten
2017-04-05T08:10:11 < englishman> no worries its easy
2017-04-05T08:10:25 < englishman> remember this is redneck shit
2017-04-05T08:12:44 < englishman> i dono, 223 is just like any other rifle round i guess
2017-04-05T08:12:57 < englishman> but what do i know, ive never loaded it
2017-04-05T08:13:11 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-05T08:13:27 < englishman> pistol is easiest
2017-04-05T08:13:29 < englishman> and cheapest
2017-04-05T08:13:56 < englishman> not even five-seven
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2017-04-05T08:15:15 < englishman> yeah see
2017-04-05T08:15:27 < englishman> i can load 223 with these hornady spbt for the range
2017-04-05T08:15:36 < englishman> and load with nosler varmageddon for groundhog
2017-04-05T08:15:49 < englishman> with less powder
2017-04-05T08:15:56 < englishman> like baking a cake
2017-04-05T08:16:05 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ABC/status/841311395547250688
2017-04-05T08:16:58 < englishman> well usually steel case = berdan primed
2017-04-05T08:17:03 < englishman> which means its not worth it
2017-04-05T08:17:23 < englishman> already, good 223 ammo is crimped primer
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2017-04-05T08:17:28 < englishman> which is another extra step, and tool
2017-04-05T08:17:39 < englishman> o yeah wolf
2017-04-05T08:17:46 < englishman> you can just buy brass tho
2017-04-05T08:17:50 < englishman> for your first set
2017-04-05T08:17:57 < englishman> or collect range brass next time youre there
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2017-04-05T08:18:59 < englishman> lego for adults
2017-04-05T08:24:00 < upgrdman> i was tempted to buy a timney trigger for my 10-22 a few years ago
2017-04-05T08:36:21 < upgrdman> huh
2017-04-05T08:36:33 < upgrdman> no, you can buy them in calif no problem
2017-04-05T08:38:22 < upgrdman> hehe one of my friends used to have 100 round drums for his AR
2017-04-05T08:38:34 < upgrdman> they were fun
2017-04-05T08:42:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, ok legit question now. in your EE fuckery, have you done much data visualization?
2017-04-05T08:42:48 < ohsix> i need life advice
2017-04-05T08:42:53 < upgrdman> i made a multichannel waterfall chart, and it turned out to be super near at looking at power supply frequency content
2017-04-05T08:43:10 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/temp/waterfall_dfts.png
2017-04-05T08:43:16 < upgrdman> ohsix, whats up bro
2017-04-05T08:43:20 < ohsix> i've had the same velcro wallet since i was like 12, getting out of the cave and spending money finally wore it out
2017-04-05T08:43:31 < englishman> cool
2017-04-05T08:43:36 < upgrdman> ohsix, you still use cash?
2017-04-05T08:43:49 < ohsix> not enough to warrant a thing that holds a lot
2017-04-05T08:43:53 < ohsix> one or 4 bills is enough
2017-04-05T08:44:13 < upgrdman> ohsix, get a slim wallet. when my normal wallet wears out im def gonna get a slim wallet
2017-04-05T08:44:23 < upgrdman> they hold like 4 cards + a few bills.
2017-04-05T08:44:34 < ohsix> most of the shit i'm looking at is similar to this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Hot-Sale-Vintage-Slim-Mini-Leather-Credit-ID-Card-Holder-Wallet-Purse-Bag-Pouch-Book/32558000175.html
2017-04-05T08:44:53 < ohsix> variations with zippers, clear windows on the back, tha tkind of junk
2017-04-05T08:45:06 < ohsix> it has to carry one key, too; not necessarily in a key holder, but have zero risk of falling out
2017-04-05T08:45:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, wallets see a lot of physical use. dont buy from ali
2017-04-05T08:45:27 < ohsix> racist
2017-04-05T08:45:36 < ohsix> but
2017-04-05T08:45:48 < ohsix> i've bought similar, the make is comparable to walmart and shit
2017-04-05T08:46:02 < ohsix> i bought a business card holder thing, not a lot of stitching but it was legit
2017-04-05T08:46:32 < upgrdman> ohsix, im tempted to get something like this   http://amzn.to/2oBaF8A
2017-04-05T08:47:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, im not saying dont buy from china. im saying dont buy the cheapest fucking shit being dumped on ali
2017-04-05T08:47:05 < ohsix> i bet i can find that in ali
2017-04-05T08:47:12 < ohsix> sure
2017-04-05T08:48:11 < ohsix> there's less stitching than a tshirt and those are made in much huger volumes :p
2017-04-05T08:49:06 < englishman> retards this is all you need https://www.amazon.com/pimpmoney/dp/B004B6398O/
2017-04-05T08:49:08 < ohsix> womens get all the cool clothes and things to hold stuff, it sucks
2017-04-05T08:49:18 < ohsix> haha
2017-04-05T08:49:25 < ohsix> can i buy that with bitcoin
2017-04-05T08:49:34 < englishman> no but you can get 12-month financing
2017-04-05T08:49:59 < upgrdman> ohsix, womens clothes have no room to store stuff, lol
2017-04-05T08:50:05 < upgrdman> like pockets that cant hold shit
2017-04-05T08:50:08 < upgrdman> or no pockets at all
2017-04-05T08:50:20 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Men-Fashion-Stylish-Business-Leather-Card-Men-Wallet-Holder-Coin-Wallets-Purses-purse-leather-carteira-masculina/32772767619.html
2017-04-05T08:50:26 < ohsix> upgrdman: sure
2017-04-05T08:51:05 < ohsix> the thing that sucks is a lot of shit i'd like you couldn't really market to men, since everything is all big dick swing masculine or generic nothing
2017-04-05T08:51:37 < ohsix> the long billfold things are nice but i need it in normal pockets
2017-04-05T08:52:41 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100-High-Quality-Guarantee-Gold-Brand-Mens-pu-Leather-Magic-Credit-Card-ID-Holder-Money-Clip/32512560903.html these thin wallets are kind of sweet, they don't stay thin when you put stuff in them tho
2017-04-05T08:53:39 < jadew> I don't have a wallet
2017-04-05T08:54:05 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Men-s-Short-Canvas-Wallet-Vertical-Horizontal-Bifold-Card-Money-Clutch-Multi-slot/32622605407.html
2017-04-05T08:54:07 < jadew> I just keep my money/cards/id in one pocket and the phone in the other
2017-04-05T08:54:10 < emeb_mac> wtf is this - I leave you guys alone for a few minutes and suddenly this turns into the GQ channel?
2017-04-05T08:54:19 < ohsix> jadew: just loose?
2017-04-05T08:54:26 < jadew> emeb_mac, what's GQ?
2017-04-05T08:54:28 < jadew> ohsix, yeah
2017-04-05T08:54:32 < ohsix> emeb_mac: velcro wallet i've had since i was 12 is dying
2017-04-05T08:54:55 < emeb_mac> jadew: Gentlemen's Quarterly - mens fashion magazine.
2017-04-05T08:54:58 < ohsix> i've dropped low key jokes about only coming out of a cave last year, but i still don't know a lot of people i met well enough to ask for this shit ololol
2017-04-05T08:54:58 < jadew> ohsix, I used to have a wallet too, but it's a nuisance
2017-04-05T08:55:34 < ohsix> jadew: i've only got to keep license & proof of insurance, credit card, and 2 library cards, oh and the key
2017-04-05T08:55:36 < emeb_mac> ohsix: haha - my mom gave me a velcro wallet when I was in Jr HS that I used until I was in my 30s
2017-04-05T08:55:45 < ohsix> emeb_mac: niiice :D
2017-04-05T08:55:58 < jadew> ohsix, there's nothing wrong with just keeping them in your pocket
2017-04-05T08:56:08 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/stm32/32796801381.html
2017-04-05T08:56:11 < englishman> need this
2017-04-05T08:56:37 < ohsix> jadew: not even clipped together? that's a shitshow, i'd lose all the stuff every time i went to lunch
2017-04-05T08:56:40 < jadew> lol englishman
2017-04-05T08:56:46 < emeb_mac> now the leather one I got to replace it is starting to wear out
2017-04-05T08:57:04 < jadew> ohsix, nah, it's much safer too
2017-04-05T08:57:16 < jadew> because in awkward situations you can just pull out one bill
2017-04-05T08:57:27 < jadew> you can even arrange them so you know which is which by touch
2017-04-05T08:57:42 < ohsix> right, i could do that with loose credit card & key/rest in a clip np
2017-04-05T08:58:02 < ohsix> my family just stuffs change, bills, receipts into their pockets and it is ridiculous
2017-04-05T08:58:49 < emeb_mac> who uses cash anymore?
2017-04-05T08:59:02 < jadew> I do
2017-04-05T08:59:09 < jadew> I don't trust clerks with my card
2017-04-05T08:59:15 < englishman> europeans are weird emeb
2017-04-05T08:59:22 < englishman> in germany its 100% cash
2017-04-05T08:59:33 < englishman> was a real trip
2017-04-05T08:59:45 < englishman> but keep in mind usa is 15 years behind the times on payment tech too
2017-04-05T09:00:15 < ohsix> i used cash quite a bit, i don't like seeing it, feels weird to give bills to people, spending the same amount on credit/debit -> nothing
2017-04-05T09:00:28 < ohsix> cash = "i only have 13$ better not"
2017-04-05T09:00:35 < emeb_mac> liked that krebs article about how CC skimmers are most active in EU but then send the #s to be used in US where the security features are older & less strict
2017-04-05T09:00:49 < ohsix> or i end up carrying 20s and 100s but when you break them for change you're fucked
2017-04-05T09:00:53 < jadew> ohsix, I don't get it, what's the problem with cash?
2017-04-05T09:01:02 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-05T09:01:06 < englishman> like, a signature?
2017-04-05T09:01:07 < englishman> for real?
2017-04-05T09:01:21 < ohsix> making change, organizing it, giving it, accepting it
2017-04-05T09:01:45 < jadew> ohsix, it's not rocket science
2017-04-05T09:01:47 < ohsix> card slips out, i get it back into wallet before anything i need to deal with happens, like signing the receipt
2017-04-05T09:02:02 < ohsix> it isn't, but it is a pain in the ass
2017-04-05T09:02:06 < jadew> nah
2017-04-05T09:02:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: china has a lot of non-branded stuff, which is awesome
2017-04-05T09:03:05 < jadew> if every age category can do it, then it's not difficult at all
2017-04-05T09:03:45 < ohsix> if i had 2 wallets, and i somehow knew how long they would last, the one that would fall apart fast doesn't have a logo, and the one that lasts does. i would pick the one that falls apart
2017-04-05T09:04:20 < ohsix> jadew: you're talking to someone that memorizes the POS sequence at the place he eats in order to save time
2017-04-05T09:04:39 < ohsix> at one of the places they just enter the stuff into the machine when they see me now heheh
2017-04-05T09:05:05 < ohsix> first few times after i remembered it all the employees were all 'this is gr8 people suck at ordering'
2017-04-05T09:05:13 < upgrdman> ya i ~never use cash when im in the usa
2017-04-05T09:05:20 < upgrdman> i only use cash when im shanghaid
2017-04-05T09:05:33 < upgrdman> in fact, i have more CNY than USD paper money
2017-04-05T09:06:22 < ohsix> you have gas pumps you can use it on in cali
2017-04-05T09:06:30 < ohsix> that shit sucked bad with cash
2017-04-05T09:06:44 < ohsix> i had to go in and give them 30 bucks, fill it, collect the change
2017-04-05T09:07:02 < jadew> that's the wrong order of events
2017-04-05T09:07:13 < jadew> you fill it, you got pay, get change, bye
2017-04-05T09:07:25 < jadew> *go
2017-04-05T09:07:41 < upgrdman> or use a card and ship the whole change bullshit
2017-04-05T09:07:42 < englishman> signature != security
2017-04-05T09:07:44 < ohsix> the pump won't even come on
2017-04-05T09:07:57 < ohsix> englishman: who said it was?
2017-04-05T09:08:04 < englishman> usa
2017-04-05T09:08:21 < ohsix> signature is just paper trail if some shit happens
2017-04-05T09:08:31 < ohsix> trust but verify type shit
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2017-04-05T09:08:53 < upgrdman> i used to work retail (in the usa) and card fraud was so rare it wasnt even worth thinking about for retail purchased (totally diff for online or high dollar purchases tho)
2017-04-05T09:09:04 < upgrdman> so most places dont even want a signature anymore
2017-04-05T09:09:25 < upgrdman> swipe card, wait a second for it to approve, done.
2017-04-05T09:09:36 < englishman> swipe, lol
2017-04-05T09:09:38 < ohsix> that's a bit of shit that has changed in the last 10 years
2017-04-05T09:09:44 < jadew> there are places that do that here too
2017-04-05T09:09:47 < upgrdman> fuck eurofags gotta complicate that shit because so many eurofags are theifs
2017-04-05T09:09:49 < englishman> thats a blast from the past
2017-04-05T09:09:52 < upgrdman> ;) j/k euro bros
2017-04-05T09:10:08 < ohsix> the merchants have the insurance for fraud and stuff, a company can say they accept more risk if they don't collect signatures <x dollars
2017-04-05T09:10:30 < jadew> can you get into the subway by paying with the card?
2017-04-05T09:10:41 < jadew> I found out recently that in here you can
2017-04-05T09:10:47 < englishman> usa doesnt have subways
2017-04-05T09:10:48 < ohsix> i love subway, they put all the babby spinach on a sandwich that i ask for
2017-04-05T09:10:50 < jadew> you just put your card near the thing and it lets you in
2017-04-05T09:11:10 < englishman> so subway, singular
2017-04-05T09:11:13 < emeb_mac> DC has a nice subway
2017-04-05T09:11:18 < emeb_mac> and SF has BART
2017-04-05T09:11:29 < emeb_mac> and LA even has a small one in the downtown area
2017-04-05T09:11:33 < upgrdman> englishman, usa has chip cards too. but wtf theyre annoying.
2017-04-05T09:11:40 < englishman> and phoenix?
2017-04-05T09:11:46 < upgrdman> i have one chip card and one swipe card. hate using the chip card
2017-04-05T09:11:51 < emeb_mac> PHX has a light rail
2017-04-05T09:11:53 < englishman> how so
2017-04-05T09:11:56 < englishman> it taps
2017-04-05T09:11:58 < emeb_mac> above-ground subway!
2017-04-05T09:12:06 < jadew> upgrdman, why?
2017-04-05T09:12:12 < jadew> you can swipe that one too, no?
2017-04-05T09:12:15 < ohsix> bart is cool
2017-04-05T09:12:19 < englishman> if you can ring a doorbell you can pay with a cc
2017-04-05T09:12:29 < ohsix> i'm gonna get a day pass and go to oakland and all over next time i'm in sf
2017-04-05T09:12:33 < upgrdman> englishman, at least in the usa, many of them dont support tapping. you have to slide it in so it can read the SIM-like contacts
2017-04-05T09:12:58 < ohsix> mostly because i can park somewhere nicer and get into the mission district
2017-04-05T09:13:04 < upgrdman> jadew, you can swipe it, but then the thing says "please insert card into reader" so swiping doesnt do shit
2017-04-05T09:13:19 < jadew> ah, it figures out it has a chip hehe
2017-04-05T09:13:19 < ohsix> upgrdman: if you have a card reader/writer you can remove the 'swipe' bit
2017-04-05T09:13:38 < ohsix> all the bit does is tell the machine to enter it in the chip reader, it's awesome
2017-04-05T09:13:51 < englishman> thats chip+pin not tap
2017-04-05T09:13:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i know, but i dont have one and dont feel like buying one for the lulz
2017-04-05T09:14:01 < ohsix> you can make the machine display messages and stuff too
2017-04-05T09:14:03 < upgrdman> englishman, no pin for my card
2017-04-05T09:14:08 < englishman> chip+pin was obsoleted like 5y ago
2017-04-05T09:15:02 < jadew> now it's captcha made up of personal details only you would understand
2017-04-05T09:15:20 < ohsix> shit's kind of buh in america
2017-04-05T09:15:41 < jadew> cash is best
2017-04-05T09:15:51 < jadew> you know what's better than regular cash?
2017-04-05T09:15:57 < jadew> plastic cash, like we have
2017-04-05T09:15:58 < stm32> pussy
2017-04-05T09:16:09 < emeb_mac> "the man" can't monitor you when you use cash
2017-04-05T09:16:11 < englishman> plastic cash is nice but you know what the issue is jadew
2017-04-05T09:16:19 < englishman> it becomes brittle in the cold
2017-04-05T09:16:22 < englishman> and cracks
2017-04-05T09:16:28 < ohsix> nothing moves fast, because you have to extract maximum revenue and drag shit out. unrelated to that (lol) there are a lot of old terminals and things that dial up to other things, merchant providers don't do upgrades for free either
2017-04-05T09:16:30 < upgrdman> canada problems.
2017-04-05T09:16:42 < upgrdman> money cracking in the cold, lol
2017-04-05T09:16:48 < englishman> tap > *
2017-04-05T09:16:51 < ohsix> englishman: really? it cracks? what is the temperature range
2017-04-05T09:16:55 < jadew> yeah, I don't think it was ever that cold in here
2017-04-05T09:17:08 < ohsix> seems like they'd design it to survive -20 or something, even if it almost never happens
2017-04-05T09:17:11 < emeb_mac> lends new meaning to "being broke"
2017-04-05T09:17:13 < stm32> eskimo pussy is cold
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2017-04-05T09:17:31 < englishman> they sent canadians to afghanistan in full forest camo so preparedness is not our forte
2017-04-05T09:17:45 < upgrdman> haha
2017-04-05T09:18:07 < ohsix> http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1507074/images/o-CANADA-MONEY-facebook.jpg o canada
2017-04-05T09:18:11 < ohsix> hurf pun not intended
2017-04-05T09:18:37 < upgrdman> wait you canada fags have the queen on your money??!
2017-04-05T09:18:44 < upgrdman> hah gay
2017-04-05T09:18:44 < englishman> yeah fuckin english fucks
2017-04-05T09:19:00 < englishman> they love authority figures
2017-04-05T09:19:20 < jadew> how old is she?
2017-04-05T09:19:28 < jadew> she's got to be 100
2017-04-05T09:19:35 < jadew> she was very old when I was a kid
2017-04-05T09:19:38 < englishman> she outlived 6 james bonds
2017-04-05T09:20:05 < jadew> she's 90
2017-04-05T09:20:14 < jadew> 91 this month
2017-04-05T09:20:31 < emeb_mac> her mother lived to over 100
2017-04-05T09:20:38 < emeb_mac> Charles is screwed
2017-04-05T09:20:48 < englishman> how many days until trump is on every single usa bill denomination
2017-04-05T09:20:55 < jadew> they must be feeding them some magic milk
2017-04-05T09:21:58 < upgrdman> ivanka
2017-04-05T09:22:05 < upgrdman> put her on some bills
2017-04-05T09:22:19 < englishman> fill out the whole family
2017-04-05T09:22:22 < englishman> lil barron on the $1
2017-04-05T09:22:43 < englishman> melania on the $10 cuz thats what she cost him
2017-04-05T09:24:53 < englishman> i dont even know who president of russia is
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2017-04-05T09:25:23 < englishman> unfortunately usa news is retweeted everywhere so i know who usa president is
2017-04-05T09:25:54 < jadew> do you know who the president of Romania is?
2017-04-05T09:27:08 < jadew> don't know, I'm starting to like my country
2017-04-05T09:27:14 < englishman> .ch might be the dirtiest country there is
2017-04-05T09:27:25 < englishman> and you dont know their president either
2017-04-05T09:27:36 < jadew> I don't know ours either
2017-04-05T09:27:43 < jadew> I know him if I see him
2017-04-05T09:27:48 < jadew> but I don't know his name right now
2017-04-05T09:29:36 < jadew> do a google for Bucharest
2017-04-05T09:29:49 < jadew> click images and let me know how it compares with your city
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2017-04-05T10:18:04 < upgrdman> this mountain in hawaii gives me a sense of itchyness   https://i.redd.it/r9lbbvt2yipy.jpg
2017-04-05T10:19:58 < jadew> I think I flew over it, in flight simulator X
2017-04-05T10:20:54 < jadew> but it didn't look that nice
2017-04-05T10:25:39 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/DIJ8mwm.gifv
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2017-04-05T10:35:58 < upgrdman> ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉)☞💩
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2017-04-05T10:39:44 < stm32> stffn
2017-04-05T10:40:15 < Steffanx> Stvn
2017-04-05T10:41:36 < stm32> u haf pm
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2017-04-05T11:01:16 < jadew> https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/3003805/blue-whale-suicide-game-online-russia-victims/
2017-04-05T11:05:50 < stm32> swim to japan
2017-04-05T11:06:09 < fest> jadew: that sounded like a hoax the first time I heard it and it still sounds like one
2017-04-05T11:06:17 < fest> http://www.snopes.com/blue-whale-game-suicides-russia/
2017-04-05T11:06:20 < jadew> fest, yeah, it kinda does
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2017-04-05T12:54:29 < TheSeven> any recommendations on a level shifter from 3.3V to 5V, signal is ~2MHz max, needs to drive push-pull, fairly high output capacitance (several meters of wiring) - so ideally something with high drive strength but slew rate limited?
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2017-04-05T13:13:28 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUs11uuBfpY
2017-04-05T13:24:00 < kakimir> hello
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2017-04-05T13:32:44 < PeterM> sup bukakimir?
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2017-04-05T13:33:53 < sandeepkr> prototyping the new diy-VT100 with STM32F7
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2017-04-05T13:34:17 < sandeepkr> https://cdn.hackaday.io/images/6280391491387447058.JPG
2017-04-05T13:34:35 < sandeepkr> https://cdn.hackaday.io/images/5671031491387432095.JPG
2017-04-05T13:34:59 < sandeepkr> complete project is logged here https://hackaday.io/project/13273-diy-vt100-a-miniature-hardware-terminal
2017-04-05T13:35:21 < kakimir> what is that=
2017-04-05T13:35:31 < kakimir> looks nice
2017-04-05T13:36:23 < sandeepkr> checkput the hackaday link :)
2017-04-05T13:37:25 < sandeepkr> and this wiki too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT100
2017-04-05T13:37:38 < kakimir> it has very limited uses I think
2017-04-05T13:38:11 < kakimir> maybe irc screen would be the most likely use
2017-04-05T13:38:14 < PeterM> thats unfortunatle
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2017-04-05T13:38:55 < PeterM> because with an f7 like that you could impliment many things infinitely  more useful and modern\
2017-04-05T13:39:39 < kakimir> ayes
2017-04-05T13:40:03 < kakimir> actually run linux and have vt100 terminal running on it
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2017-04-05T13:45:00 < sandeepkr> kakimir, You can use the diy-VT100 for Debugging your hardware, connecting to old hardware and hack it.Integrate it in your micropython project.And you have a miniature terminal that you can carry anywhere :)
2017-04-05T13:45:54 < kakimir> so the idea is simplicity
2017-04-05T13:46:03 < sandeepkr> See this demo video of previous design with a micropython interface https://youtu.be/UHGNkTDYr1c
2017-04-05T13:53:11 < PeterM> sandeepkr im confused though
2017-04-05T13:53:18 < PeterM> why could you not do this on say
2017-04-05T13:53:24 < PeterM> an stm32f030?
2017-04-05T13:55:33 < PeterM> i mean you can do this with an attiny85... https://github.com/rakettitiede/octapentaveega
2017-04-05T13:55:35 < emeryth> PeterM: congratulations on being "that guy"
2017-04-05T13:55:52 < PeterM> emeryth Thanks!
2017-04-05T13:56:08 < PeterM> i strive to be That Guy atleast once an hour
2017-04-05T13:56:54 < Laurenceb> procyon avrlib included vt100 iirc
2017-04-05T13:57:43 < Laurenceb> http://www.procyonengineering.com/embedded/avr/avrlib/
2017-04-05T13:57:57 < Laurenceb> easy to port to stm32 and better than ardutard shit
2017-04-05T14:00:28 < PeterM> sure, but i mean if you can do that much on a attiny85, doign full vt100 on f7 is like using a firehose to rinse your dishes
2017-04-05T14:06:45 < kakimir> sandeepkr: very annoying beep
2017-04-05T14:08:55 < Steffanx> Kakimir, stroopwafels are supposed to be delivered today(?!)
2017-04-05T14:09:03 < Steffanx> Is DHL that fast?!
2017-04-05T14:09:19 < sandeepkr> hehe PeterM you are wrong.Tell me how should i drive that 800*480 with a atttiny
2017-04-05T14:09:38 < Steffanx> Shift registers
2017-04-05T14:11:23 < PeterM> buy an 800x480 px equivilent character lcd, drive with character data via i2c, done
2017-04-05T14:12:02 < PeterM> i mean, you're not exactly goign at the speed of light in that video you linked
2017-04-05T14:12:16 < sandeepkr> PeterM, thats an old video
2017-04-05T14:12:25 < sandeepkr> of the previous design
2017-04-05T14:13:48 < PeterM> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/091/649/a35.jpg
2017-04-05T14:14:53 < sandeepkr> PeterM, yes i can drive with i2c.BTW just the LCD will atlest cost 70-80 USD in that case.
2017-04-05T14:15:03 < sandeepkr> i hope you will give me the extra $$
2017-04-05T14:15:04 < sandeepkr> :P
2017-04-05T14:15:48 < PeterM> fuck it, you seemed to want to burn money by driving a vt-100 with a $20mcu, i thought you had cash to throw away
2017-04-05T14:17:49 < karlp> how exactly does one use a vt100 terminal of any sort to "debug your hardware" ?
2017-04-05T14:18:00 < karlp> or connecting to "old hardware" to hack it.
2017-04-05T14:18:14 < sandeepkr> karlp, log via uart
2017-04-05T14:19:03 < sandeepkr> karlp, wait for sometime.There will be demos
2017-04-05T14:19:38 < karlp> no, it's ok, I've seen enough in the past, I simply still don't get it as anything further than a test target project for unicore and micropython
2017-04-05T14:19:42 < sandeepkr> PeterM, i will pay you to find the 800*480 lcd for cheap.Dont type if you are not familiar with the market.
2017-04-05T14:20:02 < sandeepkr> karlp, that time will tell
2017-04-05T14:20:19 < karlp> I love that you have kuldeep's boundless enthusiasm too :)
2017-04-05T14:20:39 < sandeepkr> hehe :}
2017-04-05T14:21:40 < sandeepkr> thanks karlp.We have learned a lot from libopencm3 too
2017-04-05T14:22:09 < sandeepkr> so you can say unicoremx, micropython and libopencm3
2017-04-05T14:22:26 < karlp> I'm sure it's a great learning project, it's  just not one I feel a need to buy and build :)
2017-04-05T14:22:52 < sandeepkr> karlp, sure.There are others with money in hand.
2017-04-05T14:23:45 < PeterM> others with money in hand? why? do oyu operate this machine http://i.imgur.com/CFLag2J.jpg ?
2017-04-05T14:24:38 < sandeepkr> PeterM, im not a native english speaker.Learn to respect that fact.
2017-04-05T14:25:52 < PeterM> im nto a native english speaker either, i speak strayan mate
2017-04-05T14:26:04 < zyp> sup?
2017-04-05T14:26:29 < karlp> sandeepkr: indeed, and I wish you the best of luck with it :)
2017-04-05T14:27:10 < sandeepkr> thanks again karlp :)
2017-04-05T14:27:24 < zyp> did sandeepkr launch a kickstarter?
2017-04-05T14:28:39 < sandeepkr> zyp, will try for a crowdsupply campaign
2017-04-05T14:28:46 < sandeepkr> lets see how it will go :)
2017-04-05T14:29:44 < zyp> ok, I haven't read the entire conversation, what did you make? a board with a display?
2017-04-05T14:29:57 < zyp> how does it compare to a f7 disco?
2017-04-05T14:34:19 < sandeepkr> zyp, you can find details here https://hackaday.io/project/13273-diy-vt100-a-miniature-hardware-terminal
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2017-04-05T15:38:40 < Steffanx> Hi crt
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2017-04-05T17:11:07 < Laurenceb> You should definitely message me if you live in your parents basement, have no ambition or career path, no hobbies, and your idea of a good time is listening to dubstep whilst drinking bottled cider. If you are a sexist racist, bonus points.
2017-04-05T17:11:15 < Laurenceb> I'm gunna get laid
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2017-04-05T17:14:20 < PeterM> Laurenceb sounds like a keeper
2017-04-05T17:14:52 < Laurenceb> I think this is a troll profile
2017-04-05T17:15:47 < Laurenceb> cancer.jpg   https://imagebin.ca/v/3I20ch61A69T
2017-04-05T17:19:03 < PeterM> is that one the same as the other one?>
2017-04-05T17:19:20 < PeterM> because feminism doesnt sound anything like the above description
2017-04-05T17:19:26 < Laurenceb> it's probably all RooshV trolling
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2017-04-05T17:23:04 < Peter_M>  <PeterM> i dont know what RooshV is but it sounds liek an issue with your genitals
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2017-04-05T17:27:23 < Steffanx> Lol mr Peter_M
2017-04-05T17:28:41 < Laurenceb> lol accurate
2017-04-05T17:37:31 < Laurenceb>  just checking liveleak, thought street looked familiar
2017-04-05T17:37:38 < Laurenceb> its right outside my work
2017-04-05T17:37:54 < Laurenceb> naked guy on roof throwing tiles at ppl and making ape sounds
2017-04-05T17:38:16 < Laurenceb> inb4 "is it ur dad?"
2017-04-05T17:42:03 < jadew> why would you use a hardware terminal emulator?
2017-04-05T17:42:30 < jadew> you can just get a FTDI cable and use putty
2017-04-05T17:43:27 < Steffanx> Because you still live in the 80s?
2017-04-05T17:43:28 < karlp> because that doesn't have a hackaday project for it?
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2017-04-05T17:44:48 < fenugrec> and miss out on the opportunity of having to debug your debugging tool
2017-04-05T17:44:59 < englishman> why you always gotta be so positive karl
2017-04-05T17:45:00 < jadew> heh
2017-04-05T17:45:18 < fest> I actually want a real terminal VT100 or similar, because they were a thing before my time
2017-04-05T17:45:48 < karlp> fest: maybe you can tell us then what you'd use for, help us understand.
2017-04-05T17:45:56 < fest> as in- I have not experienced how to operate one
2017-04-05T17:46:10 < karlp> have you used putty to ssh to a remove machine?
2017-04-05T17:46:16 < karlp> or any ssh client?
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2017-04-05T17:46:44 < fest> I spend my days in two apps: terminal and browser
2017-04-05T17:46:49 < karlp> imagine someone pulled the putty window off and put it on a big chunk of beige plastic, and gave you a separate keyboard that could only type into that putty window.
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2017-04-05T17:46:58 < fest> it's just I've never used a physical one
2017-04-05T17:47:10 < jadew> lol karlp
2017-04-05T17:47:29 < fest> yes, but I barely remember shitty crt television sets
2017-04-05T17:47:48 < karlp> only, for fun, you have some special keys that do things like make the text twice the size, or inverse video.
2017-04-05T17:48:06 < englishman> look around your municipal government, maybe the parks department, or education. you can probably find some VT100 there
2017-04-05T17:48:23 < karlp> and magic keystrokes that fuck up the encoding so you can make it look like it's "broken" if you want to have one reserved for later.....
2017-04-05T17:48:25 < jadew> I wonder if there are any still in use
2017-04-05T17:48:31 < karlp> (not that I'd ever do anything like that....)
2017-04-05T17:49:08 < Peter_M> thats like changing the functions in standard libraries to produce lots of subtle errors
2017-04-05T17:49:15 < englishman> possibly a large warehouse company, or auto parts store
2017-04-05T17:49:31 < Peter_M> possibly the equivilent of the DMV
2017-04-05T17:49:45 < Peter_M> i wish tab complete worked on all words :(
2017-04-05T17:49:49 < englishman> i know one major auto parts company using as/400
2017-04-05T17:49:57 < jadew> maybe they'd like to "upgrade" to 7" LCD displays?
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2017-04-05T17:50:30 < Peter_M> nah, they'd upgrade to a more macabre variation of hte necktie
2017-04-05T17:50:46 < karlp> last I saw one was an autoparts place.
2017-04-05T17:50:55 < karlp> and that was a couple of years ago now.
2017-04-05T17:51:17 < jadew> I haven't seen one ever
2017-04-05T17:51:39 < karlp> that's because they're obsolete garbage.
2017-04-05T17:51:51 < englishman> im renaming my putty.exe to VT100.exe
2017-04-05T17:52:08 < Peter_M> but karlp, if you made one wiht an F7 it would be new and exciting, right?
2017-04-05T17:52:16  * karlp laughs
2017-04-05T17:52:36 < Peter_M> also it wouldnt totally be complete overkill either, right
2017-04-05T17:53:16 < karlp> man, they've really shot up in prices these days
2017-04-05T17:53:24 < karlp> $200+
2017-04-05T17:54:01 < karlp> event he keyboards are running $100+ alone
2017-04-05T17:55:08 < fest> I don't even think VT100s were in much use in post-soviet countries- in soviet times we basically had clones of zx attached to tv, and in the 90s x86 were already common
2017-04-05T17:55:31 < karlp> fest: they were already installed though, so they just stayed there.
2017-04-05T17:56:12 < karlp> my university had a bunch of them around the place for people to use pine for their email on.
2017-04-05T17:56:31 < karlp> or mudding, or irc...
2017-04-05T17:56:32 < fest> karlp: that's what I'm pointing out- they were installed at a time where soviet countries couldn't buy them
2017-04-05T17:56:36 < Peter_M> karlp that doesnt even include the 10ft of rope to hang yourself with
2017-04-05T17:56:58 < fest> when*
2017-04-05T17:59:54 < Peter_M> on a sidenote, did you see the attiny85 uart vga thing, thats pretty neat - not particularly useful, btu neat for an attiny85
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2017-04-05T18:05:45 < fest> I really struggled to output greyscale analog video on stm32f407 (320x240)
2017-04-05T18:10:46 < Steffanx> Assembly is key.
2017-04-05T18:13:19 < fest> setting an interrupt shortly before start of line with WFI and using AHB during blanking periods was the key in my case
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2017-04-05T18:15:01 < fest> I used a timer controlled DMA write to GPIO port (8 pins in parallel driving r-2r dac)
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2017-04-05T20:23:56 < englishman> TheSeven: what do you use to measure those small currents?
2017-04-05T20:25:45 < TheSeven> shunt resistor, hardware R-C filter with huge time constant (a minute or so), very high impedance multimeter
2017-04-05T20:25:52 < englishman> neat
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2017-04-05T20:37:59 < Laurenceb> labview guy comes into work
2017-04-05T20:38:15 < Laurenceb>  "so I was at this brothel in germany last weekend...."
2017-04-05T20:38:32 < Laurenceb> everyone is like "dude seriously not at work"
2017-04-05T20:39:02 < Laurenceb> freaking labview
2017-04-05T20:39:24 < englishman> RTC_DateTypeDef fake_date = {0};
2017-04-05T20:39:24 < englishman> HAL_RTC_SetDate(&hrtc,&fake_date,RTC_FORMAT_BCD);
2017-04-05T20:40:23 < Laurenceb> pro quality codez
2017-04-05T20:40:37 < PaulFertser> Why not at work, what's wrong with that?
2017-04-05T20:43:12 < PaulFertser> Puritanic much?
2017-04-05T20:47:50 < Steffanx>  A brothel is not hardcore enough.. they need more heavy stuff.
2017-04-05T20:51:48 < upgrdman> Steffanx, like what? s&m dungeon?
2017-04-05T20:52:33 < Steffanx> I assume  they all browse gore and xChan upgrdman
2017-04-05T21:25:56 < englishman> hmm standby/alarm wakeup was pretty easy to spin up
2017-04-05T21:26:42 < Laurenceb> we have all the hot grrls in uk
2017-04-05T21:26:54 < Laurenceb> https://imagebin.ca/v/3I2ZWzPsISeY typical uk grrrl
2017-04-05T21:28:26 < qyx> meh labview
2017-04-05T21:28:38 < qyx> a bunch of colorful boxes
2017-04-05T21:29:11 < englishman> hmm 1.2mA on dmm
2017-04-05T21:29:13 < englishman> that's too much
2017-04-05T21:31:14 < englishman> should be closer to 5uA
2017-04-05T21:31:54 < englishman> aha, remove the debugger and it falls to 200uA
2017-04-05T21:32:53 < englishman> what do i do now? starting raising pullup/down resistor values?
2017-04-05T21:33:33 < qyx> is that the moisture level sensor?
2017-04-05T21:33:38 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-05T21:33:58 < englishman> got the radio going yesterday
2017-04-05T21:34:39 < qyx> I don't even have it fully populated
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2017-04-05T21:36:55 < qyx> http://imgur.com/a/edlyG
2017-04-05T21:37:59 < englishman> nice!
2017-04-05T21:38:42 < Steffanx> Are we all going to do moisture sensors?
2017-04-05T21:38:56 < qyx> seems so
2017-04-05T21:39:35 < englishman> replaced boot0 resistor with 1.1M and current fell to 70uA
2017-04-05T21:40:03 < englishman> i can actually disable boot0 on this chip, i think i'll do that
2017-04-05T21:40:56 < Steffanx> How does yours work? It's entirely heat shrinked .. qyx?
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2017-04-05T21:50:06 < Steffanx> capacitance measurement or something?
2017-04-05T21:54:12 < qyx> yep, capsense
2017-04-05T21:57:18 < englishman> yeah mine uses tsc
2017-04-05T21:58:12 < Steffanx> tcs?
2017-04-05T21:58:15 < Steffanx> *tsc
2017-04-05T21:58:39 < fenugrec> touchsense crap
2017-04-05T22:00:21 < Steffanx> Yeah that fits.
2017-04-05T22:02:44 < englishman> cool, boot0 successfully disabled
2017-04-05T22:03:22 < Steffanx> \o/
2017-04-05T22:04:26 < englishman> pretty sure my dmm is just trolling me now, i removed nrst and boot0 resistors and current went up
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2017-04-05T22:10:56 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZfGBP_xqA8
2017-04-05T22:10:56 < qyx> aren't they oscillating?
2017-04-05T22:11:16 < qyx> or what
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2017-04-05T22:11:23 < Steffanx> Finally the missing images Laurenceb. :)
2017-04-05T22:11:41 < Steffanx> *visuals
2017-04-05T22:12:56 < englishman> related videos: reddit place timelapse
2017-04-05T22:13:01 < englishman> mmhmm
2017-04-05T22:13:18 < kakimir> what os that butt probe qyx?
2017-04-05T22:13:33 < Steffanx> Moisure sensor kakimir..
2017-04-05T22:14:20 < englishman> hey kakimir musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLs_WzECdKU
2017-04-05T22:14:20 < Steffanx> Why didnt dhl deliver kakimir? It says they would have been at your door today.
2017-04-05T22:14:49 < Steffanx> Did you scare them away?
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2017-04-05T22:28:41 < kakimir> Steffanx: I was sleeping or so
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2017-04-05T22:33:03 < kakimir> today on my door wtf
2017-04-05T22:33:55 < kakimir> at my door*
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2017-04-05T22:36:28 < kakimir> 1) I was sleeping until mid day 2) left home right after that
2017-04-05T22:36:47 < kakimir> 3) nobody called my cell
2017-04-05T22:37:37 < Steffanx> Dont sleep.
2017-04-05T22:37:57 < Fleck> at your door? :D
2017-04-05T22:38:04 < englishman> finns need their hungover time in the morning, steffan
2017-04-05T22:38:18 < kakimir> 4) they rather leave those deliverys to local post if it causes any trouble for them
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2017-04-05T22:54:58 < aandrew> https://github.com/saitoha/libsixel
2017-04-05T22:55:05 < kakimir> 5) they can't resist fresh stroopwaffles
2017-04-05T23:06:55 < Steffanx> +1
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2017-04-05T23:55:46 < sync_> Steffanx gg getting everybody hooked on dat dutch stuff
2017-04-05T23:58:47 < upgrdman> just soldered a QFN with center thermal pad to a PCB using just a heat gun. and it worked on the first try.
2017-04-05T23:59:25 < zyp> maybe I should also get Steffanx to send me some genuine stroopwaffles, because the last ones I tried weren't all that impressive
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2017-04-06T00:01:58 < englishman> yes
2017-04-06T00:02:00 < upgrdman> what brand of poopwaffles was bad?
2017-04-06T00:02:01 < englishman> this is necessary
2017-04-06T00:02:10 < englishman> worldwide stroop distribution network
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2017-04-06T00:05:02 < zyp> idk, something I found here in norway last year
2017-04-06T00:06:17 < kakimir> you knoe thise were fake
2017-04-06T00:06:24 < kakimir> those
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2017-04-06T00:06:42 < machinehum> So what's everyone's favorite RTOS?
2017-04-06T00:06:49 < machinehum> for the F4
2017-04-06T00:07:29 < machinehum> I noticed FreeRTOS has lots of support for IAR and keil, I'm using make and vim
2017-04-06T00:08:43 < TheSeven> wow, why is #electronics completely silent...
2017-04-06T00:08:43 < TheSeven> anyway, let me ask here again: I'm a bit puzzled by decoupling requirements of 1117 voltage regulators
2017-04-06T00:08:43 < TheSeven> I will have tens of µF of ceramics on the output side of it, as decoupling close to the load (STM32 and some other stuff)
2017-04-06T00:08:43 < TheSeven> yet the regulator apparently wants to see a minimum ESR of 0.3 ohms
2017-04-06T00:08:43 < TheSeven> so does that mean that I can't use that regulator if I have any significant amount of ceramics on its output, which basically every microcontroller requires? I can't quite believe that.
2017-04-06T00:08:44 < TheSeven> any other recommendations for a 5V => 3.3V LDO voltage regulator?
2017-04-06T00:09:14 < kakimir> chibios has been praised a lot
2017-04-06T00:09:22 < kakimir> machinehum
2017-04-06T00:09:28 < machinehum> Cool
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2017-04-06T00:09:43 < englishman> TheSeven: maybe you are looking for ##electronics?
2017-04-06T00:09:52 < zyp> TheSeven, sounds like bullshit
2017-04-06T00:10:29 < machinehum> TheSeven: I like ST's
2017-04-06T00:10:46 < machinehum> Wait linear or switching?
2017-04-06T00:10:53 < zyp> linear, he said 1117
2017-04-06T00:11:03 < machinehum> ah
2017-04-06T00:12:04 < zyp> I've made boards with AMS1117 and all ceramics and they work just fine, but of course I don't really know what that does to the EMC performance of it
2017-04-06T00:16:27 < TheSeven> englishman: I meant ##electronics
2017-04-06T00:16:38 < englishman> this chip is acting weird now
2017-04-06T00:16:54 < englishman> when it wakes up, PC is 0x00000000 and it hardfaults immediately
2017-04-06T00:17:27 < TheSeven> well supposedly the 1117 can oscillate if it has less than 300mOhms of output ESR
2017-04-06T00:18:10 < TheSeven> englishman: what's the hardfault reason?
2017-04-06T00:18:34 < englishman> dono, where do i see that?
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2017-04-06T00:21:04 < machinehum> You got a cap on your vcap pin?
2017-04-06T00:21:19 < englishman> yeah, it's tied to vcc
2017-04-06T00:21:26 < machinehum> vcap?
2017-04-06T00:21:33 < machinehum> should have a cap to gnd
2017-04-06T00:21:34 < englishman> oh vcap
2017-04-06T00:21:40 < englishman> sorry i read vbat
2017-04-06T00:21:43 < machinehum> I forgot that once
2017-04-06T00:21:50 < machinehum> Custom board?
2017-04-06T00:21:51 < englishman> no vcap on this chip
2017-04-06T00:21:52 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-06T00:21:58 < machinehum> hmm
2017-04-06T00:22:01 < machinehum> what chip?
2017-04-06T00:22:08 < englishman> f042k6
2017-04-06T00:22:57 < englishman> also seeing that the debugger disconnects when the chip enters standby, even though DBGMCU_CR_DBG_STANDBY flag is set in DBGMCU->CR
2017-04-06T00:23:06 < englishman> dono if its supposed to work like that
2017-04-06T00:24:15 < TheSeven> on f072 I write this during debug init, and it seems to work:
2017-04-06T00:24:15 < TheSeven> 0x40021018: 0x400000
2017-04-06T00:24:15 < TheSeven> 0x40015804: 6
2017-04-06T00:24:15 < TheSeven> ; mww 0x40015808 0xffffffff; mww 0x4001580c 0xffffffff; mww 0x40021018 0
2017-04-06T00:27:43 < ohsix> jadew: marked as shipped
2017-04-06T00:28:13 < TheSeven> I'm wondering if I should just go for several different power domains with an XC6206 regulator each instead of a common 1117, that might also reduce noise a little bit
2017-04-06T00:31:05 < Steffanx> Hah sync_, too bad it only costed me money so far.
2017-04-06T00:31:58 < sync_> :D
2017-04-06T00:32:40 < sync_> now if it wouldn't go bad in shipping you need to put in some vla as well
2017-04-06T00:33:48 < Steffanx> Stroopwafflw vla.
2017-04-06T00:34:01 < Steffanx> (Is actually a thing)
2017-04-06T00:34:23 < sync_> yeah
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2017-04-06T00:34:39 < englishman> hmm. now the chip is level 1 protected
2017-04-06T00:34:48 < englishman> wtf
2017-04-06T00:34:55 < sync_> http://www.ausholland.eu/images/ah-dubbelvla-vanille-karamel.jpg <3
2017-04-06T00:34:58 < sync_> that stuff was good
2017-04-06T00:35:30 < Steffannn> :)
2017-04-06T00:46:55 < englishman> well i dono whats going on now
2017-04-06T00:47:13 < englishman> the chip hangs waking up from sleep with or without the debugger
2017-04-06T00:47:33 < englishman> i put the boot0 and nrst stuff back and commented out everything except the alarm and sleep
2017-04-06T00:48:47 < kakimir> dubbel karamel
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2017-04-06T01:23:57 < englishman> TheSeven: so, while i did forget to enable DBGMCU power, now the chip seems to never enter sleep while debugging, it sails right past __WFI(); and seems to do nothing
2017-04-06T01:25:35 < TheSeven> only when single stepping, or also if you just put a breakpoint a couple instructions after the wfi?
2017-04-06T01:26:02 < englishman> i can let it run, hit stop, and it'll always be in a while(1) I placed after WFI
2017-04-06T01:26:23 < englishman> the alarm goes off, but as it's not asleep it doesn't wake up
2017-04-06T01:26:54 < TheSeven> put something in between the wfi and the while(1)
2017-04-06T01:27:14 < englishman> well it's actually while(1){HAL_PWR_EnterSTANDBYMode();}
2017-04-06T01:28:00 < TheSeven> when you break while it's sleeping, you'll always see PC point a couple instructions beyond the WFI
2017-04-06T01:28:14 < TheSeven> breaking will wake it up from sleep anyway
2017-04-06T01:28:36 < englishman> H
2017-04-06T01:28:39 < englishman> ah
2017-04-06T01:28:55 < englishman> this is so weird, it was working great before, and i didn't change anything
2017-04-06T01:29:11 < TheSeven> could there be a pending wakeup flag when entering the sleep state?
2017-04-06T01:29:27 < englishman> __HAL_RTC_ALARM_CLEAR_FLAG(&hrtc, RTC_FLAG_ALRAF);
2017-04-06T01:29:27 < englishman> 	__HAL_PWR_CLEAR_FLAG(PWR_FLAG_WU);
2017-04-06T01:29:27 < englishman> 	__HAL_PWR_CLEAR_FLAG(PWR_FLAG_SB);
2017-04-06T01:29:35 < englishman> i had a look for other flags that could be set
2017-04-06T01:29:44 < englishman> its possible there are more
2017-04-06T01:30:59 < englishman> hm yeah how about exti lines
2017-04-06T01:31:20 < englishman> EXTI 17
2017-04-06T01:32:13 < TheSeven> what I do is:
2017-04-06T01:32:13 < TheSeven> - disable IRQs
2017-04-06T01:32:13 < TheSeven> - enable PWR clockgate
2017-04-06T01:32:13 < TheSeven> - set PWR.CR.CWUF
2017-04-06T01:32:13 < TheSeven> - disable PWR clockgate
2017-04-06T01:32:13 < TheSeven> - set SCB.SCR.SLEEPDEEP
2017-04-06T01:32:15 < TheSeven> - WFI
2017-04-06T01:33:50 < englishman> heh, i can see the alarm trip EXTI17 in debugger
2017-04-06T01:35:40 < englishman> weird, it went to level 1 protection again
2017-04-06T01:36:02 < englishman> aha!!!!!
2017-04-06T01:36:06 < englishman> it was PWR clockgate
2017-04-06T01:36:06 < englishman> :D
2017-04-06T01:37:07 < TheSeven> EXTI17 is RTC
2017-04-06T01:39:27 < englishman> hmm, there is something else, now after the initial alarm, it immediately returns from sleep every loop
2017-04-06T01:39:37 < englishman> yeah, i'm using RTC's alarm to wake from standby
2017-04-06T01:54:52 < englishman> :D
2017-04-06T01:54:52 < englishman> great
2017-04-06T01:54:57 < englishman> idling at 82uA on the DMM
2017-04-06T01:55:06 < englishman> time to mak something better to try out
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2017-04-06T02:02:02 < englishman> thanks man!
2017-04-06T02:02:28 < TheSeven> that sounds like you don't properly clear some flag
2017-04-06T02:02:33 < englishman> actually
2017-04-06T02:02:42 < englishman> it was still PWR clockgate
2017-04-06T02:02:43 < TheSeven> you need to clear the timer flag, RTC IRQ, EXTI flag and wakeup flag
2017-04-06T02:03:00 < englishman> i was clearing the PWR flags before turning on its clock
2017-04-06T02:03:05 < TheSeven> zyp: that might explain some things: http://i.imgur.com/ORmGz5t.png
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2017-04-06T03:30:09 < Laurenceb_> Mushroom pride worldwide
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2017-04-06T03:32:42 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfaRuKgS6MU
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2017-04-06T04:56:39 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/dHsAXboxWjI?t=2m34s
2017-04-06T05:08:50 < aandrew> heh
2017-04-06T05:08:57 < aandrew> that jeep on the railway tracks was funny
2017-04-06T05:17:23 < stm32> crack cocaine
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2017-04-06T05:32:47 < stm32> wheres englishman
2017-04-06T05:36:36 < ReadError> hes here
2017-04-06T05:36:46 < ReadError> crack cocaine friez the brain
2017-04-06T05:36:53 < stm32> yip
2017-04-06T05:36:55 < ReadError> n e one down to pump
2017-04-06T05:36:58 < ReadError> some skey
2017-04-06T05:37:16 < ReadError> hit us wid somma dat hard16
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2017-04-06T05:51:05 < stm32> scorping up rn
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2017-04-06T05:54:55 < stm32> no stoning allowed
2017-04-06T05:58:54 < englishman> im drowning my kittens
2017-04-06T05:58:57 < englishman> i mean my sorrows
2017-04-06T06:02:09 < stm32> wut happen
2017-04-06T06:07:51 < stm32> im pumping
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2017-04-06T06:28:40 < ReadError> im pumpin
2017-04-06T06:32:20 < stm32> lol
2017-04-06T06:38:33 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RrKBUuY8/kittykat.png
2017-04-06T06:38:34 < ReadError> !!!!!
2017-04-06T06:45:09 < stm32> no way
2017-04-06T06:46:19 < upgrdman> so yesterday i realized that california teacher (and other gov employee) salaries is public information. lol'd pretty hard when i realized that during my last semester at the uni, i was making more than most of the professors.
2017-04-06T06:46:56 < upgrdman> (i was working full-time as an EE during my last semester)
2017-04-06T06:47:25 < stm32> yeah the stm32 was good
2017-04-06T06:47:30 < upgrdman> that's gotta hurt a lot, when your a prof with a masters degree, and your bachelors students are making more money than you
2017-04-06T06:47:53 < upgrdman> that explains a lot abotu the quality of instructors too, heh
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2017-04-06T07:03:56 < upgrdman> jew32 huh?
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2017-04-06T07:11:07 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-06T07:12:39 < goyim> sup
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2017-04-06T07:14:05 < ReadError> kittyascii coming up in 15sec
2017-04-06T07:14:19 < ReadError> epic catpatterns
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2017-04-06T07:15:51 < ReadError> catski
2017-04-06T07:17:07 < goy> <NickServ> jew is not registered.
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2017-04-06T08:03:52 < upgrdman> nice living room  https://gfycat.com/FrighteningLeanAldabratortoise
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2017-04-06T10:22:27 < Steffanx> How many nick do you have stm32?
2017-04-06T10:22:45 < stm32> about 20
2017-04-06T10:22:56 < Steffanx> Excellent.
2017-04-06T10:23:03 < stm32> u?
2017-04-06T10:23:03 < Steffanx> Hows DIYing?
2017-04-06T10:23:06 < Steffanx> 3
2017-04-06T10:23:17 < stm32> diying?
2017-04-06T10:23:19 < stm32> funno
2017-04-06T10:23:22 < stm32> dunno
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2017-04-06T10:35:06 < ohsix> d.b.
2017-04-06T10:35:49 < ohsix> heh
2017-04-06T10:36:03 < ohsix> Steffanx: he's got more than one nickserv registration
2017-04-06T10:36:11 < ohsix> stm32: you can use link yo
2017-04-06T10:36:29 < ohsix> if you identify with your name with another nick it might even be automatic
2017-04-06T10:36:51 < ReadError> lol stm32 snaggin up all the good nicks to auction off
2017-04-06T10:36:52 < ReadError> right
2017-04-06T10:37:33 < ohsix> ya
2017-04-06T10:37:35 < ohsix> land rush
2017-04-06T10:38:02 < ohsix> sells them for mmo money
2017-04-06T10:38:23 < dongcopter> retires sitting swole on tendies
2017-04-06T10:40:19 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DIY-hand-dynamo-Micro-teaching-power-experimental-Interesting-science-DIY-small-manufacture-technology/32662243376.html i want the motor in this thing, but not having much luck finding it
2017-04-06T10:40:40 < ohsix> (it sucks in that application lul)
2017-04-06T10:41:10 < ohsix> probably has the same gearing those jyb motors have, and they slip
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2017-04-06T10:50:05 < ohsix> they'd be so perfect for some shit i want to do
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2017-04-06T10:50:21 < ohsix> though there are motors for 3$ with open frame metal gear heads on them, they're really long
2017-04-06T10:55:45 < fest> totally relevant to ##stm32: I compiled some stats of publicly accessible tindie stores: http://imgur.com/a/3JFKj
2017-04-06T10:58:40 < zyp> fest, how is it, you can create a tindie store for free, they just get a commision of each sale?
2017-04-06T10:58:59 < fest> yes
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2017-04-06T11:01:51 < fest> 5% tindie + "payment processing fee" (seems to be ~2%, probably depends on whether buyer pays with paypal or cc)
2017-04-06T11:01:56 < zyp> so the statistics make sense, there's no break even point to hit, so the barrier to entry is low
2017-04-06T11:02:11 < zyp> anybody can set up shop without anything to sell even
2017-04-06T11:02:20 < zyp> without taking a loss
2017-04-06T11:03:50 < fest> all stores in this dataset have at least one product
2017-04-06T11:04:33 < zyp> s/anything to sell/anything anybody would want to buy/
2017-04-06T11:05:17 < fest> there was a 2015 article stating that half of tindie sellers have no sales- seems no longer to be true  (but not far from it)
2017-04-06T11:05:20 < stm32> i want some
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2017-04-06T11:42:05 < ohsix> no pals want to help me find that motor eh
2017-04-06T11:45:39 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DC-5V-DIY-Mini-Micro-Small-Electric-Aluminum-Hand-Drill-for-Motor-PCB-Y103/32788453347.html lolwut
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2017-04-06T12:40:57 < stm32> te motah
2017-04-06T12:41:39 < Steffanx> stm32 time to unbore yourself, go watch netflix
2017-04-06T12:42:08 < stm32> nah i was helping ohsix
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2017-04-06T12:52:38 < dongcopter> hello stm32 friends
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2017-04-06T12:55:04 < stm32> are you like fucking who
2017-04-06T12:57:48 < dongcopter> ex...ex...excuse me?
2017-04-06T12:59:31 < Steffanx> Someone with a hostname like that must be crt or readerror
2017-04-06T13:00:03 < stm32> no crt
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2017-04-06T13:17:33 < dongcopter> me come in no harm
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2017-04-06T13:47:56 < stm32> whip it
2017-04-06T13:47:56 < Steffanx> Thats what they all say.
2017-04-06T13:48:37 < stm32> indeed
2017-04-06T13:48:43 < stm32> what are you doing up so late steffan
2017-04-06T13:50:24 < stm32> me-security systems, building up offices
2017-04-06T13:59:56 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKWmUxT1BBUkJUSlE these are nice
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2017-04-06T14:10:02 < Steffanx> No SysteMatic Autism kakimir ?
2017-04-06T14:20:50 < Steffanx> Aka SMA
2017-04-06T14:21:20 < Steffanx> Late stm32?
2017-04-06T14:24:12  * [7] can't believe that nobody has put a simple mounting hole footprint into the circuitmaker vault yet
2017-04-06T14:42:54 < stm32> aha
2017-04-06T14:42:58 < stm32> latestm32
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2017-04-06T14:50:44 < stm32> r2bro
2017-04-06T14:50:53 < stm32> cool
2017-04-06T14:51:03 < stm32> hi there
2017-04-06T14:51:10 < stm32> yeh
2017-04-06T14:51:21 < stm32> where is brother tim
2017-04-06T14:51:36 < stm32> ah
2017-04-06T14:51:40 < stm32> i see
2017-04-06T14:51:55 < stm32> the wires are being installed
2017-04-06T14:52:00 < stm32> my electrician is here now
2017-04-06T14:55:09 < Steffanx> Its not time to sleep
2017-04-06T14:55:30 < Steffanx> Time to wake up
2017-04-06T14:56:06 < Steffanx> Time for a stroopwaffle
2017-04-06T14:57:09 < Steffanx> Enjoy.
2017-04-06T14:57:30 < zyp> Steffanx, so when are you starting a tindie to sell stroopwaffles?
2017-04-06T14:58:21 < Steffanx> Hah, i could.
2017-04-06T14:58:39 < Steffanx> Or is that a "i should"?
2017-04-06T14:59:10 < Steffanx> But its not a maker made product
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2017-04-06T15:04:29 < stm32> steffan
2017-04-06T15:04:32 < stm32> can u send me some
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2017-04-06T15:48:15 < karlp> heh, 3 pin LDO in 14 pin package.  TLE42744
2017-04-06T15:48:49 < karlp> this is what I get for looking at page 2 of digikey results
2017-04-06T15:49:09 < Peter_M> mind you page 1 is 500 didfferent parts
2017-04-06T15:52:11 < karlp> oh, I'd already narrowed it down quite a lot :)
2017-04-06T15:52:41 < karlp> RT9069 and TP709 look to be the winners today
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2017-04-06T15:56:59 < kilobyte_ch> Is there any appnote or tutorial on how to use eclipse with STM32CubeMX on Ubuntu?
2017-04-06T16:01:37 < aandrew> kilobyte_ch: I think if you look for swstm32 you should find what you're after
2017-04-06T16:03:41 < Steffanx> Anyone in europe with that ups mail innovations oshpark uses to ship? (Just wondering how fast it is)
2017-04-06T16:03:53 < Steffanx> Experience with*
2017-04-06T16:03:55 < englishman> does canada count
2017-04-06T16:04:46 < Steffanx> Non monsieur l'anglais
2017-04-06T16:06:04 < karlp> ups mail innovations?
2017-04-06T16:07:31 < englishman> the "innovation" is that it takes a month.
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2017-04-06T16:13:31 < Steffanx> Its some ups/usps thing karlp
2017-04-06T16:13:48 < Steffanx> Ups picks it up, usps ships it to the destination
2017-04-06T16:14:05 < Steffanx> So probably usps slugginess.
2017-04-06T16:14:46 < Rickta59> usps mail .. no ups mail .. ups shipping yes
2017-04-06T16:15:16 < Steffanx> No its really called ups mail innovation
2017-04-06T16:15:35 < Rickta59> ok .. didn't know they were doing that
2017-04-06T16:17:18 < Rickta59> hmm .. interesting
2017-04-06T16:17:49 < kilobyte_ch> aandrew tried installing this IDE, copied the stuff from STM32CubeMX but it doesn't compile. Shouldn't it be enough to have the correct makefile in the STM32CubeMX to can have the make command?
2017-04-06T16:18:17 < aandrew> kilobyte_ch: I dont' use IDEs, in particular Eclipse, for this specific reason
2017-04-06T16:18:38 < aandrew> I have an awesomesauce makefile that I've built for F0, L0, F2 and F4
2017-04-06T16:18:55 < englishman> there's some tool to take a SW4STM32 project and generate an eclipse project/makefile
2017-04-06T16:19:10 < Rickta59> if you are using systemworkbench it should all just work
2017-04-06T16:19:17 < englishman> but really, SW4STM32 works fine if you can't use better
2017-04-06T16:19:57 < Rickta59> sw4stm32 is system workbench englishman ?
2017-04-06T16:20:03 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-06T16:20:09 < Rickta59> where did you get that name?
2017-04-06T16:20:27 < englishman> System Workbench "4" STM32
2017-04-06T16:20:42 < Rickta59> they have a serious branding issue
2017-04-06T16:20:46 < Rickta59> i never know what to call it
2017-04-06T16:20:48 < englishman> its the export option in timecube
2017-04-06T16:20:51 < englishman> yep!
2017-04-06T16:20:52 < Rickta59> ac6 eclipse
2017-04-06T16:20:53 < englishman> neither do they
2017-04-06T16:20:58 < Rickta59> swb
2017-04-06T16:21:02 < Rickta59> sw4stm32
2017-04-06T16:21:20 < englishman> Stm32CubeMX is already a mouthful
2017-04-06T16:21:26 < Rickta59> or just cfall it what the site is
2017-04-06T16:21:29 < Rickta59> openstm32
2017-04-06T16:21:44 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/lzmIRYz.png
2017-04-06T16:21:51 < Rickta59> systemworkbench.org .. or call it openstm32
2017-04-06T16:22:11 < Rickta59> yeah ..
2017-04-06T16:22:28 < englishman> also shitty cube doesnt support proper display scaling as you might notice
2017-04-06T16:22:56 < kilobyte_ch> oops, to stupid to choose the ide in the cubemx thing. Will try it again with the correct setting.. :P
2017-04-06T16:23:08 < englishman> that'll help :)
2017-04-06T16:23:26 < Rickta59> and really sw4stm32 is just eclipse
2017-04-06T16:23:45 < Rickta59> which happens to provide some compiler and project wizards stuff
2017-04-06T16:24:30 < Rickta59> first time i grabbed it, it was just a url you added to regular eclipse
2017-04-06T16:26:18 < kilobyte_ch> How have I to import the stm32cubemx output into openstm32?
2017-04-06T16:26:42 < kilobyte_ch> With the import thing of eclipse or just create a project in openstm32 and replace all files (and renaming Inc to inc and Src to src?!)
2017-04-06T16:27:27 < Steffanx> Trial and error ;)
2017-04-06T16:27:42 < Rickta59> http://www.openstm32.org/Importing+a+STCubeMX+generated+project
2017-04-06T16:28:25 < Rickta59> * not that i've tried that
2017-04-06T16:33:09 < kilobyte_ch> nice, it does something undefined.. :P
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2017-04-06T16:41:30 < Rickta59> ok, i didn't read those instructions ... what i did was create a project in cube .. set the toolchain to SW4STM32, selected a workspace and project name, generated the code from STM32CubeMX ... opened sw4stm32 .. used the import existing project .. navigated to the project directory i just created with stm32cubemx and selected it
2017-04-06T16:41:57 < Rickta59> opened that project in sw4stm32 .. compiled .. worked ..
2017-04-06T16:42:09 < Rickta59> not sure what those instructions say but that approach works
2017-04-06T16:43:02 < Rickta59> key is import... source should be General/Existing Projects into Workspace
2017-04-06T16:44:20 < Rickta59> i was doing this on linux .. not that it should matter
2017-04-06T16:45:31 < Rickta59> i guess i didn't follow the step where you uncheck the "Copy projects" mine was selected
2017-04-06T16:45:37 < Rickta59> * looking at the instructions they provide
2017-04-06T16:45:52 < Rickta59> i did do the copy
2017-04-06T16:46:37 < Rickta59> doing it as they want .. no copy .. it also works
2017-04-06T16:47:25 < englishman> import existing project... lol eclipse
2017-04-06T16:47:30 < englishman> why not just "open"
2017-04-06T16:47:35 < englishman> why does it have to be so hard
2017-04-06T16:47:40 < Rickta59> exactly
2017-04-06T16:47:45 < Rickta59> no idea but there it is
2017-04-06T16:47:53 < englishman> what chip kilobyte_ch
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2017-04-06T16:49:26 < Rickta59> i just made some changes in cube .. regenerated .. went back and recompiled on sw4stm32 and it seems to have noticed my changes
2017-04-06T16:49:43 < Rickta59> so it seems to work fine
2017-04-06T16:51:31 < fest> as long as you put your code inside designated comment blocks
2017-04-06T16:51:54 < fest> (well, it works otherwise too, just overwrites your changes)
2017-04-06T16:52:01 < Rickta59> :)
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2017-04-06T16:52:30 < Rickta59> * let's see what happens when i update cube ..
2017-04-06T16:54:22 < Rickta59> still seems fine
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2017-04-06T17:01:08 < Rickta59> * even after adding freertos
2017-04-06T17:02:35 < aandrew> every time I've tried to use eclipse it ends in frustration
2017-04-06T17:02:39 < aandrew> fuck that specific IDE in particular
2017-04-06T17:03:12 < Rickta59> yeah i felt that way for at least 2 months when i started .. but i started using it with Adobe Flex
2017-04-06T17:03:23 < Rickta59> so that was also part of the problem
2017-04-06T17:03:30 < aandrew> I just do not see the value it brings
2017-04-06T17:03:50 < Rickta59> i stick with it because of the source code indexing
2017-04-06T17:03:57 < Rickta59> and tab completion
2017-04-06T17:04:03 < Rickta59> and code formatting
2017-04-06T17:04:04 < aandrew> it's a shitty editor, it's a HUGE RAM sink, and its attempt at managing dependencies has no place in embedded
2017-04-06T17:04:31 < aandrew> yeah see I don't need my source indexed, I don't *want* tab completion and formatting can be done with any editor, including vim
2017-04-06T17:04:31 < Rickta59> i like the editor if i plan on doing a lot of changes
2017-04-06T17:04:58 < aandrew> hell I have a smart tab completion in vim, it pops up to tell me what elements are in a struct etc
2017-04-06T17:05:18 < Rickta59> i like it when i get some code that is poorly formatted i just select it and tell it to auto format it
2017-04-06T17:05:29 < Rickta59> with my own code not an issue
2017-04-06T17:05:30 < aandrew> but unless you're writing Java where you ahve SomeFuckingIdioticFunctionNameWIthItsEntireHistoryInTheFunctionName(), tab completion is more of a hassle
2017-04-06T17:05:34 < englishman> aandrew> every time I've tried to use eclipse it ends in frustration
2017-04-06T17:05:35 < englishman> so true
2017-04-06T17:05:38 < Rickta59> i don't see how ..
2017-04-06T17:05:50 < Rickta59> it provides me with the name and then each parameter
2017-04-06T17:06:06 < aandrew> Rickta59: name your functions sanely and you waste more time waiting for hte tab completion to figure out what its options are than it is to just type the fucking name :-)
2017-04-06T17:06:24 < Rickta59> it is instant no waiting
2017-04-06T17:06:40 < Rickta59> like this HAL stuff ..
2017-04-06T17:07:07 < Rickta59> i have no idea what all the parameters are .. but using the ide i can quickly look at not only the parameters but the actual source with flogging myself
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2017-04-06T17:07:31 < aandrew> oh yeah the HAL functions are fully dicked up and ready for tab completion
2017-04-06T17:08:02 < aandrew> Rickta59: dunno; I've got another shell winodw open that I can grep -r HAL_JesusWhyNameThisShitSoIdiotically Drivers
2017-04-06T17:08:11 < aandrew> and figure it out within a second or two
2017-04-06T17:08:27 < Thorn> tab completion is useful for register field #defines like USB_CORE->GCCFG |= USB_OTG_GCCFG_VBDEN;
2017-04-06T17:08:37 < Rickta59> find .. you might add find . -iname 'wtfname.h' -exec grep -Hi HAL....
2017-04-06T17:08:59 < Rickta59> the problem is when you have a chunk of code you know nothing about
2017-04-06T17:09:03 < Rickta59> it is useful for that
2017-04-06T17:09:23 < Rickta59> i don't feel like doing ctags on everything all the time
2017-04-06T17:09:28 < aandrew> Rickta59: admittedly yes, eclipse's "right click -> go to definition" is nice for learning new codebases
2017-04-06T17:09:30 < Rickta59> this does it as you type
2017-04-06T17:09:45 < Rickta59> and it does it for code i add on the fly
2017-04-06T17:10:01 < aandrew> Rickta59: yes, I don't need or want that kind of visual distraction
2017-04-06T17:10:05 < aandrew> just let me type :-)
2017-04-06T17:10:21 < Rickta59> yeah so that is why there is ed for your types and eclipse ide for me ;)
2017-04-06T17:10:40 < aandrew> ed, lol
2017-04-06T17:10:45 < Rickta59> i started with ed on a silent 700 .. i don't miss those days
2017-04-06T17:10:47 < aandrew> that's below the belt man
2017-04-06T17:10:59 < aandrew> edlin on dos was my dad's favourite
2017-04-06T17:11:02 < Rickta59> accoustic coupler
2017-04-06T17:11:23 < Rickta59> but when i'm using vi my ed roots come out
2017-04-06T17:11:58 < Rickta59> i use them all at different times .. but if i plan on writing code i use eclipse
2017-04-06T17:12:06 < Rickta59> if i'm making a small change .. probably vi
2017-04-06T17:12:31 < Rickta59> sometimes emacs makes me feel more wooly and bearded
2017-04-06T17:12:53 < Rickta59> it is good to have lots of tools
2017-04-06T17:13:19 < aandrew> haha
2017-04-06T17:13:25 < Rickta59> i don't know any other editor where can easily integrate editting and linux
2017-04-06T17:13:28 < Rickta59> other than vi
2017-04-06T17:13:28 < aandrew> I haven't ever bene able to drive emacs correctly
2017-04-06T17:13:34 < aandrew> for me it's vim and sublime text
2017-04-06T17:13:40 < Rickta59> !!ls *.c .. whoosh in my source
2017-04-06T17:13:49 < Rickta59> !} fmt -1
2017-04-06T17:13:57 < Rickta59> there ya go one line at a time
2017-04-06T17:14:08 < Rickta59> they all have their place
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2017-04-06T18:02:24 < kilobyte_ch> Is there any documentation out to use the STM32cubemx with gcc on ubuntu (without eclipse plugin or other funky things). Just simple like in the old AVR days..
2017-04-06T18:20:45 < Laurenceb> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/06/jamie_bartlett_radicals/
2017-04-06T18:20:56 < Laurenceb> psychedelic pioneers attempting to heal society with the help of powerful hallucinogen
2017-04-06T18:31:26 < karlp> I'm fairly convinced that little bit off hallucinogens would make most people better people.
2017-04-06T18:31:38 < karlp> not reguarlarly or excessively, but even just once or twice.
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2017-04-06T18:33:25 < englishman> qyx: http://cardboard.airdtf.com:9060/
2017-04-06T18:33:36 < englishman> humidity reading is raw from the TSC and has to be calibrated
2017-04-06T18:34:04 < englishman> this is wireless too
2017-04-06T18:37:02 < englishman> wireless is still not reliable, need to tweak
2017-04-06T18:37:14 < englishman> but, 2PSK with cheap xtal
2017-04-06T18:39:55 < jadew> what does the T in mAT stand for, for a fuse?
2017-04-06T18:40:08 < jadew> the speed?
2017-04-06T18:41:00 < jadew> ah ha, slow acting
2017-04-06T18:41:04 < jadew> (Trage)
2017-04-06T18:52:09 < Steffanx> How are you going to calibrate?
2017-04-06T18:52:30 < Steffanx> Mr englishman
2017-04-06T18:52:50 < englishman> dunk it in water and take a reading, put it in the dehydrator and take a reading
2017-04-06T18:53:11 < Steffanx> Great calibration :P
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2017-04-06T19:07:25 < jadew> ffs, this dick ebay seller sent me a different item with a different fault
2017-04-06T19:07:45 < jadew> I bought one that doesn't power on, he sent me one that has no output :/
2017-04-06T19:07:51 < jadew> (sig gen)
2017-04-06T19:08:17 < jadew> oh well, at least it passes self test, something has to be working inside
2017-04-06T19:08:26 < Laurenceb> like a boss https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8vZ7QkXcAAJawa.jpg
2017-04-06T19:09:40 < englishman> yes Steffanx
2017-04-06T19:09:43 < englishman> pro
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2017-04-06T19:38:40 < jadew> freaking short ground leads...
2017-04-06T19:41:23 < jadew> looks like I'll have to butcher
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2017-04-06T20:01:20 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/KvP3oXo.png
2017-04-06T20:04:36 < jadew> based on real events
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2017-04-06T21:00:05 < jadew> http://188.26.15.45/stuff/long_lead.png
2017-04-06T21:00:25 < jadew> and I found the fault with this sig gen too
2017-04-06T21:00:30 < jadew> and only had to move the ground lead once
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2017-04-06T22:00:30 < englishman> kakimir: musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y8w2W1uy2A
2017-04-06T22:02:35 < Steffanx> music you said.
2017-04-06T22:03:18 < Steffanx> 1989, damn you're old.
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2017-04-06T22:53:56 < upgrdman> what simple ways are there for embedding a clock into a signal. manchester encoding, and ... anything else?
2017-04-06T22:56:15 < Thorn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-clocking_signal
2017-04-06T22:56:54 < Thorn> >Morse code
2017-04-06T22:56:56 < Thorn> lolz
2017-04-06T22:57:43 < Thorn> also uart is not mentioned for some reason
2017-04-06T22:58:02 < gxti> it's right below morse code.
2017-04-06T22:58:24 < Thorn> oh right
2017-04-06T22:58:32 < upgrdman> ya that actually the problem. i want to use a 10MBit UART between two FPGAs that are using shit clocks (internal RC) and its just not going to work
2017-04-06T22:59:03 < upgrdman> so im think using 20M"bit" manchester streams might work
2017-04-06T22:59:29 < Thorn> send 0xAAs and implement a PLL
2017-04-06T22:59:35 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-06T22:59:41 < upgrdman> ya that might work i guess
2017-04-06T23:00:07 < upgrdman> or use like 4N1 to have ass loads of start bit's to sync off of
2017-04-06T23:00:40 < gxti> some MCUs will do that for you... although maybe not at 10mbit
2017-04-06T23:00:57 < upgrdman> this is for FPGAs not MCUs
2017-04-06T23:01:12 < upgrdman> thank god. at least i have the flexibility of FPGAs to just make this work somehow
2017-04-06T23:01:45 < Thorn> you may have a hard PLL block
2017-04-06T23:01:50 < Thorn> if you can use it
2017-04-06T23:02:28 < Thorn> i.e. if you can sync it with recovered clock
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2017-04-06T23:17:24 < englishman> upgrdman: usb
2017-04-06T23:17:47 < upgrdman> englishman, what encoding does usb use
2017-04-06T23:18:07 < englishman> nrzi with 8/10b
2017-04-06T23:18:09 < englishman> iirc
2017-04-06T23:19:26 < englishman> 10mbit uart sounds sketchball
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2017-04-06T23:19:42 < englishman> why can't you clock
2017-04-06T23:21:26 < upgrdman> englishman, using fiber optics and the cables/tx/rx aint cheap
2017-04-06T23:22:25 < Steffanx> So implement something like VFIR?
2017-04-06T23:24:01 < upgrdman> i see no docs on that
2017-04-06T23:24:11 < upgrdman> spelled it correct?
2017-04-06T23:28:03 < Steffanx> Yeah, its irda stuff. But not sure you really want that.
2017-04-06T23:29:47 < Steffanx> only usb 3.0 does 8b/10b englishman, not 2.0. mr englishman.
2017-04-06T23:31:18 < englishman> Steffanx: isn't it the other way, old usb2 is 8/10 and 3+ are longer codes for more throughout
2017-04-06T23:31:23 < englishman> Throughput
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2017-04-06T23:33:28 < Steffanx> No then you're going to 3.1 https://www.synopsys.com/designware-ip/technical-bulletin/protocol-layer-changes.html
2017-04-06T23:33:58 < Steffanx> 128b/132b
2017-04-06T23:35:54 < Steffanx> Doesn't USB2.0 stuff in 0 after x consecutive bits of 1?
2017-04-06T23:37:47 < englishman> Mmmmmmaybe
2017-04-06T23:42:35 < Thorn> https://i.redd.it/y9z6abopadpy.jpg
2017-04-06T23:43:36 < kakimir> it depends if you are in communist china or elsewhere
2017-04-06T23:45:50 < zyp> Steffanx, yes,
2017-04-06T23:46:03 < zyp> IIRC after every five consecutive bits, an opposite bit is inserted
2017-04-06T23:56:07 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQXZrWVZ3VDc2cEU/view?usp=sharing made a little bearing thing
2017-04-06T23:56:39 < Steffanx> What for?
2017-04-06T23:57:11 < kakimir> a mast
2017-04-06T23:57:24 < kakimir> literal mast
2017-04-06T23:57:26 < Steffanx> Antenna?
2017-04-06T23:57:32 < Steffanx> Flag?
2017-04-06T23:58:10 < Steffanx> Ship?
2017-04-06T23:58:32 < kakimir> mast (sailing)
2017-04-06T23:58:36 < Steffanx> To store waffles so no one can get to it?
2017-04-06T23:58:41 < Steffanx> Oh ok :)
2017-04-06T23:59:43 < kakimir> to archive that I just place hide them in my room
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2017-04-07T00:00:26 < kakimir> and find them 2years later after ordering waffles first then realizing I have stock
2017-04-07T00:00:43 < kakimir> always happens
2017-04-07T00:00:43 < Steffanx> They dont last that long
2017-04-07T00:00:57 < kakimir> also mice
2017-04-07T00:02:30 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/04/06/hackaday-prize-entry-pocket-serial-terminal/#comments
2017-04-07T00:03:36 < kakimir> I need small uart client
2017-04-07T00:03:44 < kakimir> complete package
2017-04-07T00:04:04 < kakimir> with keypad
2017-04-07T00:05:44 < kakimir> SD mem card slot
2017-04-07T00:05:55 < kakimir> linux.. sure
2017-04-07T00:06:27 < englishman> Lol Laurenceb_
2017-04-07T00:06:30 < englishman> Its not even F7
2017-04-07T00:08:34 < Steffanx> h7
2017-04-07T00:19:42 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRXF5T09UMTUwNnc/view?usp=sharing I want these
2017-04-07T00:19:54 < kakimir> pin strips
2017-04-07T00:25:56 < Laurenceb_> freaking bbc
2017-04-07T00:25:59  * Laurenceb_ reeeeeeee
2017-04-07T00:26:19 < Laurenceb_> anti assad propaganda bullshit
2017-04-07T00:26:47 < kakimir> not russia anymore?
2017-04-07T00:26:56 < Laurenceb_> and Russia
2017-04-07T00:27:02 < Laurenceb_> tempted to move to Russia tbh
2017-04-07T00:27:17 < Laurenceb_> pity their language is a pita to learn and their mil is underfunded
2017-04-07T00:27:29 < Laurenceb_> guess I could work in mineral exploration
2017-04-07T00:27:31 < kakimir> wish to develop rockets and balloons?
2017-04-07T00:28:01 < Laurenceb_> calthrate extraction, thats what they need
2017-04-07T00:31:15 < kakimir> how do you plan to do that?
2017-04-07T00:32:24 < Laurenceb_> Putin offers citizenship for British
2017-04-07T00:32:34 < kakimir> ?
2017-04-07T00:32:38 < Laurenceb_> fuck fuck fuck
2017-04-07T00:32:47 < Laurenceb_> imminent military strikes
2017-04-07T00:32:51 < BrainDamage> they hate fags tought, you'll get beaten often :p
2017-04-07T00:32:59 < Laurenceb_> I'll be down to nearest USAF base if they fall for that
2017-04-07T00:33:01 < Laurenceb_> fuck this shit
2017-04-07T00:33:02 < kakimir> :D
2017-04-07T00:33:13 < Laurenceb_> don't care if I get arrested tbh
2017-04-07T00:33:36 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: how do putin give citizenship for you?
2017-04-07T00:33:40 < kakimir> and why?
2017-04-07T00:34:23 < Laurenceb_> he needs more "Russians " :P
2017-04-07T00:34:46 < kakimir> is it exclusive for brits?
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2017-04-07T00:35:32 < Laurenceb_> iirc yes
2017-04-07T00:35:57 < kakimir> since when?
2017-04-07T00:36:02 < kakimir> brexit?
2017-04-07T00:36:18 < Laurenceb_> dunno, think it was earlier than that
2017-04-07T00:36:38 < Laurenceb_> haven't been on a protest since the anti Iraq stuff
2017-04-07T00:36:56 < Laurenceb_> ended up hanging out with some Islamic Jihad guys, that was ... awkward
2017-04-07T00:37:50 < kakimir> so you ended up as ISIS General?
2017-04-07T00:38:17 < Laurenceb_> managed to find a more sane group before I got indoctrinated and ended up like http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/08/23/2F2FCD0000000578-0-image-a-18_1449617964914.jpg
2017-04-07T00:38:47 < kakimir> when did this happen?
2017-04-07T00:39:06 < Laurenceb_> 2003, then do you think lol
2017-04-07T00:39:09 < Laurenceb_> *when
2017-04-07T00:39:23 < BrainDamage> how many times did you die so far?
2017-04-07T00:39:47 < Laurenceb_> lulwut?
2017-04-07T00:40:10 < kakimir> in paraller universes?
2017-04-07T00:40:21 < Laurenceb_> I joined an animal rights group once, dunno what I was thinking lol
2017-04-07T00:40:34 < Laurenceb_> I'd beat the shit out of my 14year old self
2017-04-07T00:41:34  * Laurenceb_ turns on CNN to see wtf is going on
2017-04-07T00:43:56 < kakimir> are you guise feeling the new era comming?
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2017-04-07T00:44:38 < Laurenceb_> yeah its gunna be shit
2017-04-07T00:44:52 < Laurenceb_> ISIS in control of all of Syria, terrorism everywhere, chaos
2017-04-07T00:45:14 < Laurenceb_> further proof that Trump is retarded
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2017-04-07T00:47:33 < kakimir> how about changes in Europe?
2017-04-07T00:47:45 < Laurenceb_> it's fucked
2017-04-07T00:48:49 < kakimir> they have always said it will be
2017-04-07T00:49:04 < kakimir> and it is
2017-04-07T00:49:10 < Laurenceb_> don't do it Trump
2017-04-07T00:49:12 < Laurenceb_> reeeee
2017-04-07T00:49:53 < kakimir> do what?
2017-04-07T00:50:05 < kakimir> future is interesting
2017-04-07T00:52:45 < BrainDamage> have you considered seeking professional medical help? I know that psychiatry is a rather wishy-washy science with a lot of empiricism and not much consistent results, but it should still be more effective than group therapy on irc
2017-04-07T00:53:25 < kakimir> it is hard to discriminate which one of us you are talking to
2017-04-07T00:54:03 < BrainDamage> open advice :p
2017-04-07T00:54:11 < Laurenceb_> at least /pol/ will get their comeuppance
2017-04-07T00:54:16 < Steffannn> BrainDamage talking to blaxter?
2017-04-07T00:54:25 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: how so
2017-04-07T00:54:36 < Laurenceb_> they supported the orange bastard
2017-04-07T00:54:44 < kakimir> oh
2017-04-07T00:55:31 < kakimir> are you scared Laurenceb_ ?
2017-04-07T00:55:33 < kakimir> paranoid even?
2017-04-07T00:55:44 < Steffannn> Have more "open advice" BrainDamage ?
2017-04-07T00:56:14 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: just realistic
2017-04-07T00:56:56 < kakimir> about wha
2017-04-07T00:57:01 < Laurenceb_> politics
2017-04-07T00:57:07 < Steffannn> *autistic
2017-04-07T00:57:22 < BrainDamage> Steffann: not particularry, altought I'm feeling a bit mean tonight and it's not my style to leash out on other people to vent frustration, so while that message had a hint of insult there was a bit of genuine concern
2017-04-07T00:57:41 < kakimir> Steffannn: on point
2017-04-07T00:58:12 < kakimir> good luls tonite
2017-04-07T00:58:50 < Steffannn> Hah ok BrainDamage, we can handle it.
2017-04-07T00:59:49 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: what are you upset about?
2017-04-07T01:01:14 < Laurenceb_> Syria
2017-04-07T01:01:49 < kakimir> do you have a side on things there?
2017-04-07T01:02:06 < kakimir> team Assad
2017-04-07T01:02:07 < kakimir> ?
2017-04-07T01:09:52 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-04-07T01:12:02 < kakimir> pump money to Assad
2017-04-07T01:12:46 < kakimir> I wonder if you can support anyone in middle east without being flagged as supporting terrorism
2017-04-07T01:13:45 < Laurenceb_> define irony http://s1358.photobucket.com/user/red_on_you1/media/Untitled_zpsb381390b.jpg.html
2017-04-07T01:14:00 < kakimir> like totally decent guy called "Assad" just trying to keep his country together
2017-04-07T01:14:04 < englishman> BrainDamage: when you chat on IRC, do you have to pause typing to wave your hands around?
2017-04-07T01:14:34 < BrainDamage> englishman: no, I just do it all at the end before pressing enter
2017-04-07T01:14:39 < englishman> ahh
2017-04-07T01:14:47 < englishman> interesting
2017-04-07T01:14:53 < Laurenceb_> Assad is a pretty cool guy
2017-04-07T01:15:08 < englishman> you should invite him to go bowling
2017-04-07T01:15:38 < Laurenceb_> probably
2017-04-07T01:17:21 < Laurenceb_> maybe ALexander Jahans has insights
2017-04-07T01:17:36 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/user/farshnuke
2017-04-07T01:17:52 < kakimir> total biscuit has cancer?
2017-04-07T01:18:06 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-04-07T01:18:13 < Laurenceb_> dat roll of toilet paper
2017-04-07T01:18:36 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: seriously is this your cousins youtube channel?
2017-04-07T01:18:40 < Laurenceb_> lolno
2017-04-07T01:18:46 < Laurenceb_> he is a /pol/ regular
2017-04-07T01:18:47 < kakimir> stop
2017-04-07T01:19:11 < Laurenceb_> stereotypes confirmed
2017-04-07T01:20:13 < Laurenceb_>  "I am a male..." *nervous laugh*
2017-04-07T01:20:26 < BrainDamage> is it still snowing in funland?
2017-04-07T01:20:39 < kakimir> a bit but melting really fast now
2017-04-07T01:20:45 < kakimir> liek 15% a day
2017-04-07T01:20:58 < englishman> crt dox'd http://i.imgur.com/DzeZjzg.jpg
2017-04-07T01:21:14 < Laurenceb_> oh my god the comments
2017-04-07T01:21:21 < Laurenceb_> youtube delivers
2017-04-07T01:22:10 < Laurenceb_> El Gringo Magico7 months ago
2017-04-07T01:22:10 < Laurenceb_> What the fuck is that toilet paper for.
2017-04-07T01:22:11 < kakimir> why would someone go there
2017-04-07T01:23:00 < kakimir> shittalk nite
2017-04-07T01:25:18 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: are you familiar with basics of wind power using laminal flow wing?
2017-04-07T01:26:16 < Laurenceb_> the concept makes sense to me
2017-04-07T01:29:45 < kakimir> are you able do a simple plausability study for such?
2017-04-07T01:30:11 < kakimir> ballpark
2017-04-07T01:35:57 < kakimir> probably even I can do it
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2017-04-07T01:59:51 < Laurenceb_> are normal blades turbulent?
2017-04-07T02:01:08 < Laurenceb_> I would calculate Re if I wasn't lazy
2017-04-07T02:02:13 < Laurenceb_> people have looked at porous wings with suction for aircraft applications
2017-04-07T02:02:27 < Laurenceb_> to "suck up" the turbulence
2017-04-07T02:02:33 < Laurenceb_> dunno how much it actually helps
2017-04-07T02:11:13 < BrainDamage> you're ~always in turbolent regime except at ridicolously low wind speeds
2017-04-07T02:11:39 < BrainDamage> and at those you can't extract meaningful power anyway unless your foil surface is absurdely giant
2017-04-07T02:14:31 < upgrdman> is it possible to disable those stupid "rooms" in altidongs?
2017-04-07T02:16:15 < kakimir> low wind speed and absurdely giant?
2017-04-07T02:19:57 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betz%27s_law#Power_and_work
2017-04-07T02:21:08 < BrainDamage> tldr: wind power goes with your turbine collection area and wind speed^3
2017-04-07T02:22:58 < BrainDamage> so designing a turbine that works in laminar regime ( slow speed essentially ) is a) idiotic because power goes with v^3 and requires gian surface
2017-04-07T02:23:24 < sync_> also who the fuck cares if you delaminate the wind
2017-04-07T02:23:24 < kakimir> 1) I don't even know what I'm talkin about
2017-04-07T02:23:40 < sync_> it is not like you are making a f1 car
2017-04-07T02:27:32 < BrainDamage> actually this would be a project for laurenceb, 4 bladed savonius VAWT
2017-04-07T02:27:44 < BrainDamage> essentially a spinning swastika
2017-04-07T02:27:54 < BrainDamage> but you can only notice from above
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2017-04-07T02:29:02 < kakimir> swastika turbines
2017-04-07T02:32:30 < Laurenceb_> its funny cuz emdrive guy published a "paper" on just that
2017-04-07T02:32:37 < Laurenceb_> for "zero point energy"
2017-04-07T02:33:06 < BrainDamage> the wut
2017-04-07T02:34:06 < BrainDamage> I'll never understand the mysticism behind zero point energy, if your system's minimal energy to exist isn't 0 but a finite number, who cares
2017-04-07T02:34:25 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-04-07T02:34:26 < Laurenceb_> http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news-comment/2497-stwc-statement-on-the-situation-in-syria
2017-04-07T02:34:34 < Laurenceb_> bullshit statement is bullshit
2017-04-07T02:35:03 < Laurenceb_> HOLY SHIT http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2015/PP-41-08.PDF
2017-04-07T02:35:12 < Laurenceb_> 404, too insane even for emdrive guy
2017-04-07T02:36:00 < sync_> upload decentral backupz
2017-04-07T02:36:35 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9J8A2CIUAApZ7T.png
2017-04-07T02:36:38 < Laurenceb_> all I can find
2017-04-07T02:37:09 < Laurenceb_> wait that diagram actually makes sense to me O_o
2017-04-07T02:37:15 < Laurenceb_> illuminati confirmed
2017-04-07T02:38:07 < Laurenceb_> now I have to come up with a proof for why its bullshit :(
2017-04-07T02:40:52 < Laurenceb_> probably something to do with resonance
2017-04-07T02:45:27 < BrainDamage> you need to open the center or the net force is 0
2017-04-07T02:45:40 < BrainDamage> if you open the center it becomes a savonius design
2017-04-07T02:53:21 < Laurenceb_> I've got it
2017-04-07T02:53:34 < Laurenceb_> it fails due to the aspect ratio of the cavities
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2017-04-07T03:01:11 < Laurenceb_> Casimir effect works with wide plates relative to the gap between then
2017-04-07T03:01:22 < Laurenceb_> inb4 "liek ur mum"
2017-04-07T03:02:36 < Laurenceb_> well that was easy
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2017-04-07T03:17:52 < aandrew> ugh
2017-04-07T03:18:12 < aandrew> how the fuck do I tell openocd -c "reset halt; run_my_func; reset run" from the command line?
2017-04-07T03:18:19 < aandrew> oh
2017-04-07T03:18:22 < aandrew> this is not #openocd
2017-04-07T03:22:15 < emeb> details
2017-04-07T03:22:38 < BrainDamage> can't espect helpful chat anyway from ##stm32
2017-04-07T03:23:01 < aandrew> nah, got it. openocd needs the first command to be 'init'
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2017-04-07T03:26:46 < emeb> huh. never needed that, but all I do with openocd lately is flashing.
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2017-04-07T04:17:12 < upgrdman> nice revision control  https://i.redd.it/pro6x2iyqvpy.jpg
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2017-04-07T04:30:21 < jadew> upgrdman, not sure if you solved this, but you can easily send multiple signals over fiber
2017-04-07T04:30:50 < jadew> use different color light sources/detectors
2017-04-07T04:30:53 < stm32> pls
2017-04-07T04:31:28 < jadew> when you run out of that, you can start mixing in polarization
2017-04-07T04:32:04 < upgrdman> jadew, i know that, but the costs add up compared to 1 tx and 1 rx
2017-04-07T04:32:27 < jadew> even when dealing just with colors?
2017-04-07T04:33:06 < upgrdman> jadew, you thing there are multicolor tx and multicolor rx that are cheaper than a simple single-wavelength tx and rx?
2017-04-07T04:34:05 < jadew> there are not?
2017-04-07T04:35:53 < jadew> englishman, interesting song, had to turn it down so it doesn't seem like I'm watching porn
2017-04-07T04:36:07 < upgrdman> jadew, wtf would a multiwavelength one be cheaper
2017-04-07T04:37:16 < jadew> upgrdman, I assume they're not that complex
2017-04-07T04:37:51 < upgrdman> jadew, just fucking think about it tho
2017-04-07T04:37:55 < upgrdman> why would they be cheaper
2017-04-07T04:38:00 < upgrdman> why the fuck would they be cheaper
2017-04-07T04:38:16 < jadew> because a chunk of big fiber seems more expensive than an extra LED
2017-04-07T04:39:39 < upgrdman> my fibers only need to be about 300mm long, so theyre cheap. the tx and rx shits are an order of magnitude more expensive than the fibers
2017-04-07T04:40:02 < englishman> lol jadew, its a classic isnt it
2017-04-07T04:41:37 < jadew> upgrdman, you're using different fiber for rx and tx?
2017-04-07T04:41:49 < upgrdman> yes
2017-04-07T04:41:55 < jadew> how expensive are those things?
2017-04-07T04:42:15 < upgrdman> $3 or $4 for the tx
2017-04-07T04:42:16 < upgrdman> and
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2017-04-07T04:42:44 < upgrdman> $4 or 5 for the tx
2017-04-07T04:42:46 < upgrdman> *rx
2017-04-07T04:47:00 < jadew> do you get a digital signal out or analog?
2017-04-07T04:48:13 < upgrdman> its a photodiode
2017-04-07T04:48:33 < upgrdman> i suppose you could use it either way, but with my setup it'll just be digital
2017-04-07T04:50:12 < jadew> you could experiment with a sort of sum on the signals, but that might be overcomplicating it
2017-04-07T05:06:52 < jadew> upgrdman, http://5.12.151.12/stuff/DS1Z_QuickPrint35.png
2017-04-07T05:08:15 < jadew> that's a 5 MHz clock tho
2017-04-07T05:09:11 < upgrdman> what are you trying to show? mixing two singals?
2017-04-07T05:09:19 < jadew> yeah, the clock and the data
2017-04-07T05:09:36 < jadew> and you can get the info back from the levels
2017-04-07T05:09:46 < upgrdman> ya where is a transmitter for under $8 that can do that
2017-04-07T05:09:58 < upgrdman> and reliably
2017-04-07T05:10:08 < upgrdman> not just driving the LED weakly/strongly
2017-04-07T05:10:50 < jadew> you can probably build this for much less than that, but it's probably going to take a lot of experimentation
2017-04-07T05:11:06 < stm32> overclock
2017-04-07T05:11:38 < jadew> you can send the 10 MHz clock too and then you can just extract it from the levels, with a fast schmitt trigger
2017-04-07T05:11:57 < jadew> but you also need envelope detection so you can set the reference levels
2017-04-07T05:12:36 < jadew> sending the 10 MHz clock would probably be simpler than the 5 MHz thing, the resulting waveform would just look a bit different
2017-04-07T05:30:20 < upgrdman> china   https://sg.news.yahoo.com/mental-health-hospital-investigated-patient-kills-three-chopstick-china-media-014109603.html
2017-04-07T05:33:51 < jadew> or... "Hey guys, Yang broke free! Let's kill some loonies and blame him!"
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2017-04-07T06:20:06 < upgrdman> yes
2017-04-07T06:53:44 < jadew> upgrdman, I have another idea for your clock thing
2017-04-07T06:54:00 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-07T06:54:09 < jadew> you can send a higher frequency clock
2017-04-07T06:54:14 < jadew> say 100 MHz+
2017-04-07T06:54:29 < jadew> and use a diplexer on the other side
2017-04-07T06:54:52 < jadew> and you would then get both your square wave and the reference clock out
2017-04-07T06:55:26 < jadew> it has to be higher frequency so you don't filter out too many of the harmonics in the data signal
2017-04-07T06:56:29 < jadew> and it costs less than 8$ :)
2017-04-07T06:58:32 < jadew> if you already have such a clock in there, you're set
2017-04-07T06:59:25 < upgrdman> ya that'd be annoying
2017-04-07T06:59:35 < englishman> why not ethernet
2017-04-07T06:59:52 < englishman> it fits your cost
2017-04-07T06:59:54 < upgrdman> i can just make the UART something gay like 4N1 and not worry too much about clock differences
2017-04-07T07:00:13 < upgrdman> englishman, im only use fiber optics because i need the elec isolation
2017-04-07T07:00:20 < upgrdman> 100kV or more of isolation
2017-04-07T07:00:32 < englishman> yeah but
2017-04-07T07:00:42 < englishman> you can bitbang pcie x1 or whatever from your arduino
2017-04-07T07:00:52 < englishman> and get a fibre ethernet card
2017-04-07T07:00:55 < englishman> for $25
2017-04-07T07:01:14 < upgrdman> ? how the fuck would that help me get >100kV of isolation
2017-04-07T07:01:24 < englishman> using fibre???????
2017-04-07T07:01:33 < upgrdman> well ya
2017-04-07T07:01:33 < upgrdman> but
2017-04-07T07:01:39 < englishman> englishman> and get a fibre ethernet card
2017-04-07T07:01:42 < upgrdman> that would rise other parts of the bom
2017-04-07T07:01:47 < englishman> but that would be too easy right
2017-04-07T07:01:54 < englishman> how much are you being paid per hour
2017-04-07T07:02:06 < upgrdman> fpga logic to do a UART is much smaller than the code to buttbang pcie
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2017-04-07T07:02:41 < upgrdman> and $25 is more than my current BoM cost for this fiber shit
2017-04-07T07:02:50 < englishman> isnt this some medical stuff
2017-04-07T07:02:55 < upgrdman> no
2017-04-07T07:02:58 < englishman> oh
2017-04-07T07:03:03 < upgrdman> this is for an industrial xray project
2017-04-07T07:03:22 < englishman> with $25 budget
2017-04-07T07:03:35 < englishman> except labour, which is free?
2017-04-07T07:03:40 < upgrdman> with a five figure budget, but this is a small part of it
2017-04-07T07:04:03 < upgrdman> and it may go into mass production, so BoM cost is worth paying attention to
2017-04-07T07:04:32 < englishman> mass production and five figures?
2017-04-07T07:04:37 < upgrdman> anyway, im pretty sure the cheapest way to solve my problem is just to use 4N1 so i can sync off the start bit more often and not drift too far
2017-04-07T07:04:42 < upgrdman> yes
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2017-04-07T07:05:38 < jadew> upgrdman, IIRC UART can tolerate about 8% error? or was that more?
2017-04-07T07:05:54 < jadew> why is your clock so shit?
2017-04-07T07:06:27 < upgrdman> jadew, one end of this is a board that i didnt design, and it has an fpga without a crystal. using internal rc oscillator.
2017-04-07T07:06:40 < jadew> oh...
2017-04-07T07:06:44 < upgrdman> ya
2017-04-07T07:07:03 < upgrdman> if i was making the whole system... just use 60ppm crystals and problem solved.
2017-04-07T07:07:15 < upgrdman> but as usual, im helping to clean up the mess.
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2017-04-07T07:47:50 < ohsix> oof don rickles
2017-04-07T07:48:29 < ohsix> on drive home i was trying to decide if someone giving you keys/access cards to a building is like ops on a channel or operator status on the network
2017-04-07T07:48:52 < emeb_mac> you think about strange things
2017-04-07T07:53:36 < ohsix> sure
2017-04-07T07:53:49 < ohsix> but that's what i've done when people trust me to do stuff
2017-04-07T07:54:09 < ohsix> the grey area for likes on twitter is interesting, someone says they broke their leg, what does a like mean
2017-04-07T07:54:26 < ohsix> i bet you could write a bot to find the worst posts to 'like', the ones least open to interpretation
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2017-04-07T08:22:51 < ohsix> ReadError: idiotsitter is back
2017-04-07T08:23:09 < ReadError> oh nice
2017-04-07T08:23:13 < ReadError> i gotta watch archer still
2017-04-07T08:23:24 < ohsix> heh i should be too
2017-04-07T08:23:30 < ohsix> hrmph
2017-04-07T08:23:36 < ohsix> couldn't get into it tho
2017-04-07T08:23:55 < ohsix> nobody has told me anything like 'first season sucks, skip it' either
2017-04-07T08:24:46 < ReadError> what
2017-04-07T08:24:49 < ReadError> archer is great
2017-04-07T08:25:35 < Peter_M> yeah archer is great
2017-04-07T08:25:40 < Peter_M> also why are you talking to yourself
2017-04-07T08:25:52 < ReadError> lol me or ohsix ?
2017-04-07T08:26:05 < Peter_M> you or who?
2017-04-07T08:26:11 < ReadError> i c what u did there
2017-04-07T08:26:27 < Peter_M> did what now?
2017-04-07T08:26:41 < ReadError> ahhhh its like im having a bad trip
2017-04-07T08:27:07 < Peter_M> anyway, archer is great
2017-04-07T08:27:33 < Peter_M> its liek the only funny thing  to coem from the US in years
2017-04-07T08:28:32 < stm32> sup Peter_M
2017-04-07T08:28:58 < Peter_M> nmu
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2017-04-07T08:36:40 < ReadError> i heard ther is a new war tv show coming
2017-04-07T08:36:53 < ReadError> about some orangeman bombing some shithole in the middle east
2017-04-07T08:37:17 < englishman> according to laurenceb, assad is basically a brown jesus
2017-04-07T08:37:24 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-07T08:37:30 < ReadError> > according to Laurenceb
2017-04-07T08:38:03 < englishman> syria would have been a really cool place to travel
2017-04-07T08:38:11 < Peter_M> according to Laurenceb the reason he isnt getting laid is because *his* standards are too high
2017-04-07T08:39:37 < englishman> well he's not wrong
2017-04-07T08:40:14 < englishman> anyone with low enough standards can make $10 and get laid
2017-04-07T08:47:12 < ohsix> ReadError: how much do i have to watch to confirm archer is great
2017-04-07T08:47:14 < ohsix> there's a lot
2017-04-07T08:47:33 < ohsix> rick and morty is great and you find out in the first episode
2017-04-07T08:47:34 < ReadError> uh idk just start watching
2017-04-07T08:47:44 < ReadError> nobody is forcing you to enjoy or watch it
2017-04-07T08:49:23 < zyp> hrm, this fucking TI shit
2017-04-07T08:50:07 < zyp> when it faults, none of the restart/reset options in the debugger seems to help, and I haven't found another way to recover than actually powercycling the devboard
2017-04-07T08:50:10 < zyp> it's annoying as fuck
2017-04-07T09:08:08 < ohsix> ReadError: eh
2017-04-07T09:08:11 < ohsix> ReadError: i will
2017-04-07T09:08:25 < ohsix> there's usually a reason people identify tho :p
2017-04-07T09:08:48 < ohsix> zyp: what part?
2017-04-07T09:09:11 < ohsix> also how do i shot statistics
2017-04-07T09:09:25 < ohsix> i have 23 values and i want to enter them all and have a thing tell me about the distribution and shit
2017-04-07T09:10:21 < ohsix> knowing what i'm doing can come later
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2017-04-07T09:12:45 < zyp> ohsix, RM46
2017-04-07T09:13:35 < englishman> work stuff? seems a bit niche for hobbyist :)
2017-04-07T09:13:45 < zyp> englishman, yeah
2017-04-07T09:14:03 < englishman> neat
2017-04-07T09:14:51 < zyp> cortex-m is a lot nicer to work with than cortex-r by the way
2017-04-07T09:15:52 < zyp> cortex-r have the classic arm interrupt system with a special ABI for ISRs
2017-04-07T09:16:15 < zyp> the NVIC in cortex-m is a lot nicer
2017-04-07T09:16:22 < ohsix> fan-see
2017-04-07T09:17:24 < zyp> all these consistency checks in the cortex-r are probably nice though, once I learn them
2017-04-07T09:17:34 < englishman> well it has "hard" in the product description
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2017-04-07T09:18:28 < zyp> I think the reason I can't get the debugger to reset properly is because something gets inconsistent during the reset and then a check traps during the startup code so I never get to main()
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2017-04-07T09:18:48 < zyp> but I haven't read up on that yet
2017-04-07T09:19:29 < ohsix> balls, shell has been freezing
2017-04-07T09:21:39 < englishman> i'm sure once you're up to speed on the core all the shortcomings will be attributed to TI instead of arm
2017-04-07T09:21:49 < englishman> seems interesting though
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2017-04-07T09:26:29 < zyp> well, the interrupt system/abi is part of the arm core, can't blame TI for that
2017-04-07T09:27:12 < zyp> so far, the main shortcoming I've found is GPIO, btw, it's weird
2017-04-07T09:27:56 < zyp> there's two GPIO periphs; GIO A and GIO B
2017-04-07T09:28:10 < zyp> they've got 8 pins each
2017-04-07T09:28:20 < zyp> so there's 16 GPIO pins on this thing.
2017-04-07T09:32:47 < ohsix> i need to run into nerds to know literally anything :< not many statistics nerds
2017-04-07T09:33:25 < ohsix> how 2 find out what might be the center of a normal distribution from a handful of values, is that just the mean or median?
2017-04-07T09:35:27 < ohsix> https://www.mathsisfun.com/data/standard-deviation-formulas.html hoho
2017-04-07T09:36:10 < zyp> I mean, there's 16 general GPIO pins, but of course the datasheet claims 140 or so
2017-04-07T09:36:40 < zyp> the other ones are pins mapped to other periphs
2017-04-07T09:37:07 < zyp> turns out that a bunch of the other periphs got their own GPIO blocks, with GPIO registers as part of the periph register block
2017-04-07T09:38:46 < zyp> which seems super weird, because if you need like 40 pins to bitbang or whatever, you might have to throw together the pins of a couple different peripherals and write a layer to distribute accesses over the various registers
2017-04-07T09:41:28 < ohsix> sweet, wanted to know that stuff for some other reasons, finally had some useful data to stuff into it and see how it was done
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2017-04-07T09:52:09 < ohsix> blah
2017-04-07T09:52:16 < ohsix> conflicted about not having time for irc
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2017-04-07T09:57:33 < ohsix> lul forgot to mention, pal brought in all his electronics junk
2017-04-07T09:57:41 < ohsix> he had like 2 grand worth of adafruit stuff
2017-04-07T09:57:55 < ohsix> seriously large amounts, maybe the most in oregon
2017-04-07T09:58:06 < ohsix> it was weird
2017-04-07T10:19:22 < Steffanx> Such monologues
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2017-04-07T10:47:34 < Steffanx> Any idea why they thought that was a good idea, the gpios that is, zyp?
2017-04-07T10:48:54 < zyp> idk
2017-04-07T10:49:08 < zyp> they won't need a complicated layer between periphs and output pins?
2017-04-07T10:49:22 < zyp> a lot of the pins on the package is hardwired to periphs
2017-04-07T10:50:22 < zyp> only the pins that are shared between periphs go through a PINMUX block, which looks pretty simple
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2017-04-07T10:51:43 < zyp> but yeah, putting the GPIO functionality into each individual periph instead of combining it with the PINMUX functionality in front of the periphs seems really backwards to me, coming from stm32
2017-04-07T10:52:26 < zyp> actually, this kinda reminds me of the LPC43xx architecture, where also GPIO were a separate periph and muxing were separate
2017-04-07T10:53:12 < zyp> difference is that LPC43xx had mux on every pin and enough dedicated GPIO blocks to cover them all (possibly except some clock pins)
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2017-04-07T11:03:22 < Prutheus> Hey! I want to build a project for STM32F103C8T6, in CMSIS usage. Project: https://file.io/eYiBSm    - I get an build error, here: https://ghostbin.com/paste/z866x
2017-04-07T11:03:30 < Prutheus> What went wrong, I can't find my issue
2017-04-07T11:03:55 < sterna> I think you're missing a startup script
2017-04-07T11:04:24 < Prutheus> but I have linked it
2017-04-07T11:04:30 < sterna> or your startup script is not compatible with your linker script
2017-04-07T11:04:39 < Prutheus> hm okay could you please check that?
2017-04-07T11:05:34 < sterna> those are my best guesses
2017-04-07T11:06:25 < sterna>  your linkerscript expects that they will find certain symbols defining memory regions (like __bss_start___ etc)
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2017-04-07T11:06:33 < Prutheus> oh okay i missed this
2017-04-07T11:06:55 < sterna> the addresses of these symbols are defined in the linkerscript, I think
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2017-04-07T11:16:51 < Steffanx> Bye.
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2017-04-07T11:30:17 < stm32> stfn
2017-04-07T11:35:31 < stm32> the dog and his equations
2017-04-07T11:53:09 < ReadError> where is the dongs
2017-04-07T11:56:03 < stm32> out with senpai
2017-04-07T11:56:14 < stm32> probably sick of non-stm32
2017-04-07T12:05:15 < Steffanx> Yeah stop that stm32
2017-04-07T12:07:03 < stm32> sorry dad
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2017-04-07T13:37:23 < ReadError> ya tighten up stm32
2017-04-07T13:37:42 < stm32> m
2017-04-07T13:46:45 < dongcopter> weepboop
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2017-04-07T14:02:43 < Laurenceb_> reeee
2017-04-07T14:02:55 < Laurenceb_> omg /The_Donald on full damage control
2017-04-07T14:09:17 < Laurenceb_> the world is fucked
2017-04-07T14:09:36 < karlp> nah man, it's friday. everything's going to be ok.
2017-04-07T14:10:48 < Laurenceb_> US embassy needs to burn tbh
2017-04-07T14:21:13 < Laurenceb_> Trumptards in meltdown
2017-04-07T14:21:18 < Laurenceb_> never saw this coming
2017-04-07T14:25:21 < Steffanx> Couldnt care less.
2017-04-07T14:29:45 < jadew> what happened?
2017-04-07T14:34:26 < Steffanx> Trump bombed syria, reddit goes reddit. End of story. jadew ;)
2017-04-07T14:34:40 < jadew> ah
2017-04-07T14:35:02 < jadew> I thought he was against war in that region
2017-04-07T14:36:16 < Steffanx> Yeah, but some chinese guy was visiting him, so he had to show his dick, jadew
2017-04-07T14:36:39 < Steffanx> Oh?
2017-04-07T14:38:36 < ReadError> meltdown over what Laurenceb_
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2017-04-07T14:43:52 < Steffanx> Autism, ReadError. What else?
2017-04-07T14:44:12 < ReadError> well ya
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2017-04-07T14:48:32 < Laurenceb_> if they burn their MAGA hats and upload videos to youtube
2017-04-07T14:48:37 < Laurenceb_> maybe they can be redeemed
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2017-04-07T14:50:00 < Laurenceb_> The_Donald truly is a circlejerk
2017-04-07T14:51:18 < Laurenceb_> apparently they have b& load of users
2017-04-07T14:51:29 < Laurenceb_> spez needs to ban the subreddit already
2017-04-07T14:53:30 < Steffanx> You care waaaaay too much Laurenceb_
2017-04-07T14:53:43 < Steffanx> Time to roccoon or horse telemetry
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2017-04-07T15:10:49 < Laurenceb_> I care when our governments are supporting terrorist scum
2017-04-07T15:16:14 < jadew> any ideas on what's the human hearing dynamic range?
2017-04-07T15:16:55 < karlp> depends how much hifi you want to believe in...
2017-04-07T15:17:03 < jadew> and I don't mean lowest to loudest, I mean difference between maximum and minimum levels you can distinguish at the same time
2017-04-07T15:18:32 < jadew> I can't find data on that and I think that's the most important aspect of hearing when you talk about THD
2017-04-07T15:20:18 < fest> hmm, why would uart output 0x00 bytes when I use HAL_UART_Transmit_DMA but correct data when using HAL_UART_Transmit_IT?
2017-04-07T15:20:49 < fest> (stm32f7, ST HAL library)
2017-04-07T15:38:11 < karlp> bad pointers
2017-04-07T15:40:29 < Peter_M> jadew like 60db
2017-04-07T15:41:20 < Peter_M> but you "have to know where to listen for it"
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2017-04-07T15:48:33 < fest> karlp: buffer address and contents stay the same in both cases (statically allocated buffer)
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2017-04-07T15:50:10 < karlp> fest: ahh, but is the dma engine actually using the one you think it is ;)
2017-04-07T15:51:34 < fest> yup, M0AR is set to the correct address
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2017-04-07T15:57:48 < fest> hmm, disabling d-cache fixes the problem
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2017-04-07T15:58:04 < fest> but I did try to invalidate the cache before starting dma transfer..
2017-04-07T16:00:03 < fest> fuck, I mixed up invalidate with clean
2017-04-07T16:00:07 < fest> again
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2017-04-07T16:03:03 < karlp> jadew: your links don't last long enough...
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2017-04-07T16:22:45 < Steffanx> Lol Tectu is alive :o
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2017-04-07T17:13:14 < jadew> karlp, heh, my IP changed
2017-04-07T17:14:00 < jadew> karlp, hmm, actually that one is still working
2017-04-07T17:14:04 < jadew> which one is down?
2017-04-07T17:16:15 < karlp> http://188.26.15.45/stuff/long_lead.png is busted
2017-04-07T17:16:39 < jadew> http://5.12.151.12/stuff/long_lead.png
2017-04-07T17:17:40 < karlp> so what was really wrong with it in the end?
2017-04-07T17:17:46 < karlp> you said the new one workd, but only after doing something?
2017-04-07T17:18:01 < jadew> hmm, let me see what I said
2017-04-07T17:18:06 < karlp> was the short one the lead that came with the signal generator?
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2017-04-07T17:18:44 < jadew> no, it's from my oscilloscope probe
2017-04-07T17:18:47 < Laurenceb> sup trolls
2017-04-07T17:18:57 < jadew> and it was pissing me off because it was too short to probe around the sig gen
2017-04-07T17:19:06 < Laurenceb> Peter_M:  https://imagebin.ca/v/3I2ZWzPsISeY
2017-04-07T17:19:09 < jadew> I was trying to find a fault
2017-04-07T17:19:22 < Laurenceb> <Peter_M> according to Laurenceb the reason he isnt getting laid is because *his* standards are too high
2017-04-07T17:20:18 < ReadError> ^cooold
2017-04-07T17:20:18 < Steffanx> Repost Laurenceb
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2017-04-07T17:20:31 < jadew> well that's one way to look at it and it's probably true in most cases
2017-04-07T17:20:52 < jadew> "too high" meaning "I like regular chicks, but they don't like me back"
2017-04-07T17:21:10 < Steffanx> Im sure that is what Peter_M meant
2017-04-07T17:21:10 < Laurenceb> I'm sure I could score with that lovely lady...
2017-04-07T17:21:35 < Steffanx> 10 brit pound?
2017-04-07T17:21:45 < Steffanx> Or a breezer?
2017-04-07T17:21:54 < jadew> Steffanx, you're right, I'm taking off my captain obvious hat now
2017-04-07T17:23:17 < Laurenceb> thing is thats a regular grrrl by online dating standards
2017-04-07T17:23:24 < Laurenceb> that or an SJW loon
2017-04-07T17:23:32 < jadew> lol
2017-04-07T17:23:46 < Steffanx> Or will you just say you are her cousin?
2017-04-07T17:23:50 < Laurenceb> or a tranny or some other crazy shit
2017-04-07T17:24:27 < Steffanx> She look like a gypsy
2017-04-07T17:24:35 < Steffanx> And english one
2017-04-07T17:24:49 < jadew> she looks like fine lad
2017-04-07T17:25:05 < Laurenceb> she looks ok... her house on the other hand
2017-04-07T17:25:20 < Steffanx> For romanian standard, but we knoe you invented them jadew :P
2017-04-07T17:25:21 < Laurenceb> and the fact she thought that was an ok profile picture
2017-04-07T17:26:14 < Laurenceb> the other type of grrl https://imagebin.ca/v/3I20ch61A69T
2017-04-07T17:26:34 < Laurenceb>  "Cancer sign"
2017-04-07T17:26:37 < Laurenceb> lulaccurate
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2017-04-07T17:28:05 < jadew> I had a g/f one who's hobby was astrology
2017-04-07T17:28:20 < jadew> it was painful to have to explain to her how her hobby is stupid
2017-04-07T17:29:28 < Steffanx> Dumped?
2017-04-07T17:29:34 < jadew> I dumped her
2017-04-07T17:29:47 < jadew> for like 6 months, cuz she kept coming back
2017-04-07T17:31:59 < jadew> I didn't dump her because of the astrology thing tho
2017-04-07T17:32:09 < jadew> I just didn't trust her
2017-04-07T17:37:56 < Laurenceb> score http://i.imgur.com/5UMfOCx.jpg
2017-04-07T17:38:33 < ReadError> > looking for a nice looking guy
2017-04-07T17:38:34 < ReadError> shame
2017-04-07T17:38:50 < jadew> lol
2017-04-07T17:39:02 < jadew> it's probably a fake profile
2017-04-07T17:39:28 < Laurenceb> more profile are RooshV
2017-04-07T17:39:32 < Laurenceb> *most
2017-04-07T17:39:40 < jadew> what's that?
2017-04-07T17:40:13 < Laurenceb> a troll
2017-04-07T17:40:39 < Laurenceb> https://kennyspuathoughts.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/rooshv.jpg?w=670
2017-04-07T17:45:49 < Laurenceb> http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html
2017-04-07T17:47:33 < jadew> The machine that serves this file is down. We're working on it.
2017-04-07T17:47:54 < Laurenceb> what a coincidence
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2017-04-07T17:55:14 < Laurenceb> http://www.frot.co.nz/design/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/12122798_10153726073318885_5224307083782227580_n.jpg
2017-04-07T17:55:22 < Laurenceb> accurate
2017-04-07T17:55:38 < jadew> at least the robot is slim
2017-04-07T17:55:50 < Laurenceb> typical Trump family
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2017-04-07T18:02:33 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/XChBJwc
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2017-04-07T18:43:51 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/BTelawy/status/850286232890474497
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2017-04-07T20:03:15 < Laurenceb> https://johndenugent.com/images/trump-tweets-syria-2013.jpg
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2017-04-07T20:05:36 < ReadError> englishman: hall gimbals came
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2017-04-07T20:09:42 < Laurenceb> ReadError: wazzat?
2017-04-07T20:10:23 < ReadError> m9 gimbal
2017-04-07T20:11:32 < ReadError> yay trump is banned
2017-04-07T20:11:33 < ReadError> nice
2017-04-07T20:17:03 < Laurenceb> wut
2017-04-07T20:17:12 < Laurenceb> you said it
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2017-04-07T20:19:24 < englishman> this is a pure Trudeau channel
2017-04-07T20:19:24 < gxti> said what?
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2017-04-07T20:22:33 < BrainDamage> 80s' trudeau?
2017-04-07T20:25:15 < Steffanx> beaver mp.
2017-04-07T20:25:56 < Laurenceb> Trumdeau
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2017-04-07T21:01:40 < englishman> what tool is used to make an awesome web69.0 scrolly website like this http://www.bankofcanada.ca/banknotes/banknote150/
2017-04-07T21:04:49 < Thorn> https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_css_parallax.asp
2017-04-07T21:05:41 < englishman> nice
2017-04-07T21:05:42 < englishman> thanks
2017-04-07T21:06:28 < Steffanx> Damn the sores is scary..
2017-04-07T21:06:34 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-07T21:06:40 < Steffanx> 4k+ lines of CSS and javascript
2017-04-07T21:06:45 < englishman> but, govt website, they could not be perfect
2017-04-07T21:06:50 < Steffanx> ( and html)
2017-04-07T21:07:16 < Steffanx> an wp.. yay
2017-04-07T21:10:24 < Steffanx> I was into web dev once, glad i gave up on that.
2017-04-07T21:11:58 < BrainDamage> then you took a syntax error to the knee?
2017-04-07T21:12:21 < BrainDamage> js: because object + array is a valid operation
2017-04-07T21:13:00 < Steffanx> one can easily avoid the javascript quirks..
2017-04-07T21:14:14 < BrainDamage> yes, but, the moment you start using external libs all bets are off, and NIH won't get you very far
2017-04-07T21:14:46 < BrainDamage> moreover js people seems to change frameworks more often than underwear
2017-04-07T21:18:02 < Steffanx> maybe, i dont even have a clue anymore what is hot nowadays.
2017-04-07T21:19:37 < Thorn> probably react/redux/etc.
2017-04-07T21:19:55 < Thorn> react by itself is not too bad
2017-04-07T21:20:39 < Thorn> but this redux shit is trying to be enterprisey and functional at the same time
2017-04-07T21:21:43 < Steffanx> Thorn is into webdev i see?
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2017-04-07T21:27:04 < Thorn> that's what I've been doing for a living
2017-04-07T21:29:02 < Steffanx> Ah, ok :)
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2017-04-07T21:42:42 < englishman> kakimir: finnish musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx8uqJULDfc
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2017-04-07T21:49:22 < Steffanx> Such fresh from the press video englishman
2017-04-07T21:49:35 < englishman> indeed
2017-04-07T21:50:12 < Steffanx> Not even the classic 301+ views yet
2017-04-07T21:50:47 < Steffanx> And ofcourse the best country in the world is involved. Dutchland.
2017-04-07T21:50:53 < englishman> how so?
2017-04-07T21:51:06 < Steffanx> "makes his debut on Joris Voorn & Edwin Oosterwal’s GREEN"
2017-04-07T21:51:18 < Steffanx> ^^ dutchies
2017-04-07T21:51:19 < englishman> ah, should have noticed the double Os.
2017-04-07T21:51:46 < englishman> https://i.redd.it/ezy0ykewczpy.png
2017-04-07T21:52:06 < Steffanx> Has your waffle stock been depleted yet?
2017-04-07T21:52:13 < englishman> no, i put them in hiding
2017-04-07T21:52:23 < englishman> for my own health
2017-04-07T21:52:38 < Steffanx> haha
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2017-04-08T00:52:38 < Laurenceb_> hell yeah
2017-04-08T00:52:41 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bashar-al-Assad-Finger-Syria-Come-at-me-Bro-t-shirt-FN9428-/221908394598?var=&hash=item33aac56266:m:mM2zHCD4GVmOzX7cIldTRog
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2017-04-08T01:24:31 < karlp> englishman: that's some pretty fresh toons
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2017-04-08T02:11:41 < Laurenceb_> https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaq-abid-097182a/
2017-04-08T02:15:16 < englishman> its actually a couple weeks old but didn't get picked up til today
2017-04-08T02:29:25 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-04-08T02:29:45 < Laurenceb_> > go on backpage
2017-04-08T02:29:51 < Laurenceb_> > look for hookers
2017-04-08T02:30:05 < Laurenceb_> > over 6 brazillian Thai hookers in my area
2017-04-08T02:31:15 < Laurenceb_> I think it might be fake
2017-04-08T02:36:42 < upgrdman> wtf does ~noone make 5K monitors
2017-04-08T02:36:55 < upgrdman> dell and hp have some gay dual-dp-cable ones, and that's it.
2017-04-08T02:36:59 < ReadError> apple?
2017-04-08T02:37:03 < upgrdman> well and that shit LG USB-C 5k
2017-04-08T02:37:07 < ReadError> buy an imac
2017-04-08T02:37:10 < ReadError> remove mac
2017-04-08T02:37:12 < upgrdman> so its fucking useless if you have a desktop
2017-04-08T02:37:39 < upgrdman> i cant believe LG would be so dumb as to make a 5k monitor that can ONLY work wiht a laptop
2017-04-08T03:00:05 < Laurenceb_> So did Assad gas 6 gorillian babbies or not?
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2017-04-08T03:28:24 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/O7UoPfp
2017-04-08T03:31:55 < englishman> roccoon parts?
2017-04-08T03:33:17 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-04-08T03:33:28 < Laurenceb_> CIA proof of chemical weapons
2017-04-08T03:35:35 < ohsix> hm who can summon costix
2017-04-08T03:35:38 < ohsix> kostix
2017-04-08T03:35:45 < ohsix> someone gave me a bunch of new old stock knobs
2017-04-08T03:36:14 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/WWhpdyT.jpg
2017-04-08T03:39:02 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/1WMcD5k
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2017-04-08T03:41:08 < ohsix> need to get some knob jokes out of these before i give them to someone
2017-04-08T03:56:19 < ohsix> fuh
2017-04-08T03:56:37 < ohsix> got a nicer camera and it doesn't split 'far apart' pictures in time to different folders like the old one
2017-04-08T03:56:42 < ohsix> that was a really handy thing
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2017-04-08T04:56:23 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/MuckRock/status/850521853894377472
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2017-04-08T06:47:05 < ohsix> hm
2017-04-08T06:47:19 < ohsix> i got invited to help some high scool kids do some hacking
2017-04-08T06:47:29 < ohsix> /making
2017-04-08T06:47:44 < ohsix> y/n
2017-04-08T06:47:55 < ohsix> i'm an industry professional now
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2017-04-08T07:09:21 < stm32> welcome
2017-04-08T07:09:28 < stm32> tectu mate
2017-04-08T07:17:17 < englishman> miss that guy
2017-04-08T07:35:33 < kakimir> no time to ircs or links englishman
2017-04-08T07:35:47 < kakimir> link me when I pump
2017-04-08T07:35:49 < englishman> springtime is tractor time
2017-04-08T07:38:10 < emeb_mac> engage tractor beam!
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2017-04-08T07:43:46 < stm32> yeah
2017-04-08T07:44:04 < stm32> innovation leaves little time to pump
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2017-04-08T10:29:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/9Liqtsc.jpg ...
2017-04-08T10:30:44 < upgrdman> dongs, whats that? some bodge board to fix a fuckup?
2017-04-08T10:30:56 < upgrdman> (solder on top of existing pcb)
2017-04-08T10:30:56 < dongs> ya
2017-04-08T10:31:04 < dongs> the thing is, it was $110 for 100 of them
2017-04-08T10:31:16 < dongs> last i checked flexipcb prices shit was like $600 for setup before they even start talking to you
2017-04-08T10:31:34 < upgrdman> so china, right?
2017-04-08T10:31:39 < dongs> sure
2017-04-08T10:32:33 < dongs> but at these prices I can do some neat stuff with flexipcb
2017-04-08T10:32:36 < dongs> without being raped
2017-04-08T10:32:43 < upgrdman> ya. pretty cool
2017-04-08T10:32:48 < ReadError> lol dongs check out this shit i came across https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MtchqTTc/weevles.png
2017-04-08T10:33:21 < ReadError> someone spent time and actually made this
2017-04-08T10:35:36 < dongs> looks about as useful as you
2017-04-08T10:37:06 < ReadError> ya
2017-04-08T10:37:16 < ReadError> if not more
2017-04-08T11:12:43 < PeterM> dongs flex nice, how thick?(got some calipers?)
2017-04-08T11:13:24 < ohsix> i know someone with a fetish for having a thing she wants to build on flexible pcb
2017-04-08T11:13:33 < ohsix> but all the parts are big and rigid
2017-04-08T11:13:50 < ohsix> how 2 explain basic mechanics, i've failed multiple times
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2017-04-08T11:18:03 < ReadError> you cant say that and then not tell us what it is...
2017-04-08T11:20:19 < Steffanx> She, big and rigid. Nuff said ReadError.
2017-04-08T11:22:40 < Steffanx> I still wonder how dongs looks back at the younger self. Im sure he did the crap ReadError does now in his past too. (Or similar crap)
2017-04-08T11:22:48 < ohsix> he did
2017-04-08T11:22:58 < ohsix> ReadError: eh some medical pipe dream
2017-04-08T11:23:07 < ohsix> there are lots of other failures, never going to happen anyways
2017-04-08T11:23:30 < ReadError> lady ada sewing thing?
2017-04-08T11:23:32 < ohsix> she's all verklempt but never writes anything down, talks about shit she's done already but doesn't provide that work
2017-04-08T11:23:34 < ohsix> nah
2017-04-08T11:23:36 < ReadError> conductive thread
2017-04-08T11:23:37 < Steffanx> Dont kill peoples dreams ohsix ;)
2017-04-08T11:23:49 < ohsix> i'm actually keeping it on life support
2017-04-08T11:23:56 < ohsix> trying to be gentle, guide
2017-04-08T11:24:08 < Steffanx> Good.
2017-04-08T11:24:08 < ohsix> but it's getting frustrating how much time everyone is putting into it withotu getting paid
2017-04-08T11:24:33 < ReadError> oh is she not your employer ? just some rando?
2017-04-08T11:24:43 < ReadError> why she got so many people working on it
2017-04-08T11:25:09 < Steffanx> Boobies.
2017-04-08T11:25:36 < ohsix> she's just preoccupied with it every time ehs' around
2017-04-08T11:25:48 < ohsix> so it gets time
2017-04-08T11:26:52 < ohsix> i used to be full of shit and think i could remember everything, must have frustrated a lot of people too
2017-04-08T11:27:06 < ohsix> if you're making something that will take more than one person, your job is communication
2017-04-08T11:28:47 < ohsix> people literally can't help you if you go 'no i did this already, and i remember that', people are only talking to you to get information about what you're doing, write that shit down and quit fucking around yo
2017-04-08T11:29:14 < ohsix> i need to give it to the nth person we bring on and don't have 5 years to have you communicate it to them
2017-04-08T11:30:04 < ohsix> i should probably ask for proof of her credentials
2017-04-08T11:30:06 < ohsix> :<
2017-04-08T11:33:48 < ReadError> is it a stoning device ?
2017-04-08T11:34:02 < ohsix> people are pre-stoned
2017-04-08T11:34:23 < ohsix> it's nurse assistance stuff, it is really boring and dumb, plus i probably shouldn't talk about it
2017-04-08T11:34:58 < ohsix> she says 'but fda' and other road block shit you don't actually have to care until a year+ after we actually build the thing
2017-04-08T11:35:56 < ohsix> i've tried a few angles to nail down a bunch of constraints that could keep her focused, but failed
2017-04-08T11:36:12 < ohsix> like the weight of a 1000mAh battery, it's size, its rigidity, and how long it would last doing x
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2017-04-08T11:36:34 < ohsix> well, if it needs to last half as long or twice as long, that really constrains the battery size
2017-04-08T11:36:51 < ohsix> not even basic order of magnitude, back of the napkin shit is happening
2017-04-08T11:37:26 < ohsix> i'd heard about 'fda approved batteries' like 15 times before then, and then i looked at the actual batteries
2017-04-08T11:37:40 < ohsix> they were a specific one that is flexible, since she is asserting it needs to be that flexible
2017-04-08T11:37:55 < ohsix> they are like 30mAh and pretty huge, she literally can't use them ... but they're flexible!!11
2017-04-08T11:38:10 < ohsix> a thin pcb is going to be flexible enough for the application
2017-04-08T11:41:33 < ohsix> if it were say 4x8cm, and radius at the site it's supposed to be on is only 5cm, the flex across the least wide axis is less than 5mm
2017-04-08T11:41:53 < ohsix> when i started typing that i thought there'd be a more relatable way to say it lul
2017-04-08T11:42:02 < ohsix> but it doesn't need to flex a lot to conform to the area it goes on
2017-04-08T11:42:28 < ohsix> the flexible pcb shit is just another smokescreen thing that we may never even have to care about, not even in a year or two
2017-04-08T11:42:51 < ohsix> i'm sure she's acting in good faith but everything seems deliberately self defeating
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2017-04-08T11:46:04 < ohsix> anyways it's on the brain because they're having a meeting with a new person that has much more obvious project planning credentials, and i'm officially up too late to try and attend tomorrow \m/
2017-04-08T11:46:20 < ohsix> nothing will be written down so it will be like it never happened
2017-04-08T11:46:28 < ohsix> will have to meet the person some other time uhaouah
2017-04-08T11:47:57 < ohsix> the futility is just way to close and personal, i only just started making appointments on a calendar and writing shit down so i don't have to remember really dreadful shit like last year
2017-04-08T11:48:05 < ReadError> me so cold
2017-04-08T11:55:49 < ReadError> http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/08/middleeast/syria-strikes-russia-donald-trump/
2017-04-08T11:55:51 < ReadError> RIP
2017-04-08T11:56:01 < ReadError> Syria strikes: Russia sends warship to region amid feud with US
2017-04-08T12:05:09 < dongs> PeterM: i forgot what they said. 0.13mm i think
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2017-04-08T12:18:21 < Steffanx> ReadError. /topic :P
2017-04-08T12:18:40 < ReadError> nothing to do w/ trump
2017-04-08T12:18:45 < ReadError> more so uh
2017-04-08T12:18:51 < ReadError> WW3
2017-04-08T12:18:59 < Steffanx> didn't click, just read "trump" :P
2017-04-08T12:19:20 < ReadError> russia is sending a ship towards a US one
2017-04-08T12:34:11 < dohzer> Is it easy to redirect normal printf() statements to trace_printf()? Or will that automatically happen?
2017-04-08T12:41:04 < dongs> ?
2017-04-08T12:41:16 < dongs> first you need to think why do you want to printf to trace
2017-04-08T12:43:20 < dohzer> because there's no other way to see it?
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2017-04-08T12:43:38 < dohzer> trace? itm?
2017-04-08T12:44:20 < dohzer> I have some libs that use printf() and basically the messages vanish.
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2017-04-08T13:08:46 < karlp> dohzer: depends how you implemented trace_printf and what environment you're in.
2017-04-08T13:09:12 < karlp> if you just provide a _write implementatin that writes to trace instead of... somewhere. youll get printf sent where ever you choose
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2017-04-08T13:20:16 < PeterM> dongs thats sweet, could do power pcb on flex, and mount entire thing to alu plate
2017-04-08T13:22:35 < dongs> at this kinda prices im tempted to try some pro stuff
2017-04-08T13:23:12 < PeterM> like pcbs that wrap around shit
2017-04-08T13:23:17 < PeterM> ?
2017-04-08T13:23:33 < dongs> yeah, or some extension cables for my lcd screen stuff
2017-04-08T13:23:47 < dongs> or maybe do a zano
2017-04-08T13:23:51 < PeterM> o ya, that'd be nice
2017-04-08T13:23:53 < dongs> with 10 layers of folded flexpcb
2017-04-08T13:24:06 < PeterM> otehr thing is folded flex between pcbs instead of cable
2017-04-08T13:24:10 < PeterM> or ffc
2017-04-08T13:24:37 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-08T13:26:56 < PeterM> could do some sick "2.5D" pcb antennas with that shit and folds in the pcb
2017-04-08T13:28:29 < PeterM> could get into the bussiness of smartcard skimmers lol
2017-04-08T13:28:43 < dongs> .. but im already in that business
2017-04-08T13:28:47 < PeterM> lol
2017-04-08T13:29:37 < PeterM> i use a laundromat that has smartcards for credit and its all data on card
2017-04-08T13:30:03 < PeterM> iam tempted to MITM that shit because they want $12 a fuckin drier cycle
2017-04-08T13:30:09 < dongs> haha
2017-04-08T13:30:23 < dongs> this is why I just have an industrial washer/dryer in my garage
2017-04-08T13:30:23 < PeterM> fuck moving to the city
2017-04-08T13:30:29 < dongs> you should get that too
2017-04-08T13:30:56 < PeterM> no fuckin room, if i had room id have jsut brought my drier from my old place
2017-04-08T13:31:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XfY1Bla.jpg obviously the solution is bigger garage
2017-04-08T13:32:06 < karlp> hrm, I always thought the reason to use enig was ebcause it lasted longer in oxidising environments.
2017-04-08T13:32:17 < dongs> it does
2017-04-08T13:32:29 < karlp> I'd never heard they also used it when working with fine pitch parts because it was flatter and made more reliable soldering
2017-04-08T13:32:37 < sync_> just put a clothes spider up in your living room
2017-04-08T13:32:39 < dongs> yes, thats also a big reason
2017-04-08T13:32:48 < dongs> sync, fuck right off
2017-04-08T13:32:51 < karlp> yeah, I just got told the second one. was new to me :)
2017-04-08T13:33:12 < dongs> also solder melts better on enig
2017-04-08T13:33:15 < dongs> whetting or wahtever the fuck
2017-04-08T13:33:18 < dongs> solder->paste
2017-04-08T13:34:22 < sync_> dongs: pff, I have an attic where to put up clothes
2017-04-08T13:34:34 < sync_> never had a use for a drier
2017-04-08T13:34:41 < dongs> sync, i can have 15kg of shit dry in 30minutes
2017-04-08T13:35:58 < sync_> yeah, but I never wash 15kg of shit in one go
2017-04-08T13:37:00 < PeterM> sync_ no room for that, becausde if theres room for that then theres room for an actual drier...
2017-04-08T13:37:14 < Steffanx> Do you really care anyway? Dont you have wifecop to do the washing dongs? :)
2017-04-08T13:37:34 < sync_> well PeterM, you can just fold it up when not in use
2017-04-08T13:38:36 < Steffanx> Isn't it always warm in Australia? One can dry it outside. Or is there no outside either?
2017-04-08T13:38:41 < karlp> using a dryer when you have space to not have a dryer is morally reprehensible
2017-04-08T13:39:10 < karlp> (with  better grammer plz when you read it how I meant it....)
2017-04-08T13:40:04 < PeterM> why is it karlp?
2017-04-08T13:45:06 < karlp> gratuitous use of power
2017-04-08T13:47:33 < dongs> my dryer is propane
2017-04-08T13:47:38 < dongs> 36kW
2017-04-08T13:49:31 < sync_> that's what I never got about .jp
2017-04-08T13:49:37 < sync_> they are the country of the kyoto protocol
2017-04-08T13:49:52 < sync_> but build houses out of paper and heat them with kreosene heaters
2017-04-08T13:51:06 < dohzer> karlp: So is _write() the end point for all printf() calls?
2017-04-08T13:51:26 < dongs> depends what libc youre using
2017-04-08T13:51:31 < dongs> it isn't in keil
2017-04-08T13:53:05 < karlp> sync_: :)
2017-04-08T13:54:08 < dohzer> I'm using GNU ARM Eclipse, but I've been sticking with the source code from the STM32CubeF7 Firmware libs so far. Maybe I'm just better to start over with a GNU ARM Eclipse template.
2017-04-08T13:55:50 < dongs> god damn trying to update my S6 befor giving it away and downloaded somethign that was supposed to be UK firmware
2017-04-08T13:56:01 < dongs> loaded it up, first thing i see is MEIN VODAPHONE
2017-04-08T13:56:09  * karlp laffs
2017-04-08T13:56:11 < dongs> and JA/NEIN
2017-04-08T13:56:15 < karlp> ze germans
2017-04-08T13:56:18 < Steffanx> hah, the jew in you just died.
2017-04-08T13:56:21 < karlp> zey alwayz find a vey
2017-04-08T13:56:49 < dohzer> ha
2017-04-08T14:22:01 < ReadError> whoever thought naming NICs on linux shit like, enp6s0f1, would be cute
2017-04-08T14:22:06 < ReadError> needs a good ass kickin
2017-04-08T14:22:23 < ReadError> sure sure sure OLD UNIX
2017-04-08T14:22:40 < ReadError> but gtfo who wants to type all that when eth0 worked fine
2017-04-08T14:26:59 < sync_> but predictable!
2017-04-08T14:27:19 < sync_> wwp0s29u1u4 shit like that annoys me
2017-04-08T14:29:37 < ReadError> its redic either way
2017-04-08T14:29:43 < ReadError> em1 or eth0 4 life
2017-04-08T14:29:49 < ReadError> as base
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2017-04-08T14:31:01 < dohzer> yeah the latest NIC names are fucked
2017-04-08T14:31:23 < dohzer> what's the actual reason for it?
2017-04-08T14:31:40 < ReadError> because "thats how solaris and UNIX did it" apparently
2017-04-08T14:31:47 < ReadError> if you have 500 nics
2017-04-08T14:31:53 < ReadError> you can tell which are which
2017-04-08T14:33:07 < dongs> easy solution
2017-04-08T14:33:09 < dongs> don't use lunix
2017-04-08T14:33:11 < dongs> thats how I solve it
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2017-04-08T14:34:10 < Steffanx> "Ethernet adapter Ethernet:" .. yeah that's a great name. (ipconfig output)
2017-04-08T14:34:44 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-08T14:36:48 < ReadError> other gripe: systemctl <action> <service>
2017-04-08T14:36:53 < Steffanx> FreeBSD naming isnt too bad. lanX and sfxgeX for me. Where sfxge is the driver name of the 10G NIC.
2017-04-08T14:37:01 < ReadError> its a real PITA when you want to stop
2017-04-08T14:37:10 < ReadError> then start something back in a min
2017-04-08T14:37:26 < ReadError> having to skip over words and change
2017-04-08T14:37:42 < ReadError> vs having action at the end
2017-04-08T14:37:48 < BrainDamage> dohzer: the naming sequencing isn't deterministic, so they switched to name tied to physical location
2017-04-08T14:38:03 < BrainDamage> but you can disable it and switch back to the old scheme
2017-04-08T14:38:21 < ReadError> yea but defaults, why bother changing
2017-04-08T14:38:55 < ReadError> atleast ubuntu is dropping unity
2017-04-08T14:39:42 < BrainDamage> btw physical location is just as dumb when you use ports with swappable devices
2017-04-08T14:39:43 < dohzer> what is it moving to?
2017-04-08T14:39:51 < BrainDamage> eg usb devices
2017-04-08T14:40:12 < dongs> lol, lunix
2017-04-08T14:40:28 < dongs> spend years making x work then abandon it in favor of x+1, which is even shittier than x at this point
2017-04-08T14:40:33 < dongs> pure fucking autism
2017-04-08T14:41:11 < BrainDamage> ¯\_( ͡°⌣ ͡°)_/¯
2017-04-08T14:41:29 < Steffanx> Best response award goes to BrainDamage.
2017-04-08T14:41:37 < dongs> haha
2017-04-08T14:42:04 < dohzer> ;)
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2017-04-08T14:48:42 < PeterM> i  think i should get a run of tshirts printed, "Stop talking to me about lunix; DILLIGAF?"
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2017-04-08T14:54:21 < Steffanx> We wont be able to see that T-shirt.
2017-04-08T14:54:57 < dongs> cuz all of you give some fuck about lunix?
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2017-04-08T14:57:19 < Steffanx> Not more or less than osx or windows.
2017-04-08T14:57:24 < Steffanx> *MacOS
2017-04-08T14:57:34 < dongs> Steffanx: you must be really excited
2017-04-08T14:57:40 < dongs> nvidia will release pir8 drivers for pascal cards
2017-04-08T14:57:41 < dongs> for macos
2017-04-08T14:57:50 < dongs> because there's no currently in production mac wiht pci-e slots
2017-04-08T14:57:57 < dongs> that would benefit from such driver
2017-04-08T14:58:07 < dongs> so its all 100% for fagintosh users benefit
2017-04-08T14:58:30 < Steffanx> Really? Cool.
2017-04-08T14:58:41 < Steffanx> I was waiting for that.. because hackintosh
2017-04-08T14:58:47 < dongs> exactly
2017-04-08T14:59:20 < Steffanx> but i believe they said that months ago too, will they release some finally now?
2017-04-08T14:59:27 < dongs> http://www.anandtech.com/show/11254/nvidia-to-release-pascal-drivers-for-macos
2017-04-08T14:59:56 < dongs> "with new Pascal drivers, coming this month."
2017-04-08T14:59:59 < dongs> cant' be taht far off.
2017-04-08T15:00:52 < Steffanx> ReadError, heard that news too?
2017-04-08T15:01:02 < ReadError> whcih?
2017-04-08T15:01:23 < ReadError> which*
2017-04-08T15:01:46 < Steffanx> i believe you were going to buy some 10x0 too, and then figured no mac drivers, but.. see what dongs posted
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2017-04-08T15:11:07 < ReadError> haha
2017-04-08T15:11:17 < ReadError> so basically only hackintosh ya lol
2017-04-08T15:11:24 < dongs> yes
2017-04-08T15:13:49 < Steffanx> You dont hackintosh?
2017-04-08T15:15:41 < ReadError> i do ya
2017-04-08T15:15:46 < ReadError> on one now infact
2017-04-08T15:16:01 < ReadError> terminal.app is the best terminal
2017-04-08T15:16:28 < Steffanx> iterm2 is better.
2017-04-08T15:17:19 < ReadError> ehhhhhh
2017-04-08T15:17:24 < ReadError> not in sierra
2017-04-08T15:17:32 < ReadError> whats it have over vanilla?
2017-04-08T15:17:44 < ReadError> mouse support and everything works great
2017-04-08T15:18:35 < ReadError> oh guess they have added alot since I last used it
2017-04-08T15:24:13 < ReadError> really tho theres nothing that compares on windows
2017-04-08T15:24:19 < ReadError> everything sucks terminal wise
2017-04-08T15:25:34 < Steffanx> Yeah, I spend a few hours on that once.
2017-04-08T15:25:45 < Steffanx> nothing that compares to it.
2017-04-08T15:26:24 < ReadError> like cmd+r to enable/disable mouse
2017-04-08T15:26:33 < dongs> > cmd
2017-04-08T15:26:36 < dongs> fuckin aids
2017-04-08T15:26:37 < ReadError> being able to click the cursor around
2017-04-08T15:26:48 < ReadError> in vim or anywhere
2017-04-08T15:27:02 < ReadError> cmd=alt here
2017-04-08T15:31:32 < ReadError> sperged on some retarded tld yesterday
2017-04-08T15:31:43 < dongs> what is it this time
2017-04-08T15:31:48 < ReadError> alot
2017-04-08T15:31:51 < ReadError> legit.website
2017-04-08T15:31:51 < dongs> what
2017-04-08T15:31:53 < dongs> oh
2017-04-08T15:31:55 < dongs> useless
2017-04-08T15:32:00 < dongs> how can i monetize lunix.tv
2017-04-08T15:32:03 < dongs> or tarduino.cc
2017-04-08T15:32:24 < dongs> re.tarduino.cc might be ok for an IoT hateblog
2017-04-08T15:32:52 < dongs> if I actaully had something to write
2017-04-08T15:33:28 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1ymkrtyB/some.png
2017-04-08T15:33:53 < ReadError> failed.life
2017-04-08T15:34:01 < dongs> why would you waste shit like this
2017-04-08T15:34:04 < dongs> isnt that like $500 of domains
2017-04-08T15:34:10 < ReadError> lol nah
2017-04-08T15:34:14 < ReadError> 88cents n shit
2017-04-08T15:34:18 < dongs> or is it some 0.99 special
2017-04-08T15:34:19 < dongs> oic lol
2017-04-08T15:34:30 < ReadError> wont renew them obv
2017-04-08T15:35:30 < ReadError> maybe someone will pay me big money for FAILED.SHOP
2017-04-08T15:35:57 < ReadError> or CRACK.FUND
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2017-04-08T15:38:13 < ReadError> creditkarma may want dope.credit
2017-04-08T15:38:17 < ReadError> who knows
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2017-04-08T15:55:58 < dongs> https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347889004l/12438179.jpg
2017-04-08T15:58:33 < Steffanx> Replace dog by cat and you have a internet survival guide.
2017-04-08T15:58:40 < Steffanx> cat pics -_-
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2017-04-08T16:00:46 < PeterM> lol Steffanx agreed
2017-04-08T16:02:08 < Laurenceb_> does Assad go back to the gassed hospitals and schools to get the containers back, or do the gassed civilians mail them back to him?
2017-04-08T16:02:14 < Laurenceb_> important questions
2017-04-08T16:06:26 < dongcopter> notfunnylauranceb.png
2017-04-08T16:09:13 < PeterM> [23:06] <dongcopter> notfunnylauranceb.png
2017-04-08T16:09:28 < Laurenceb_> y so serious
2017-04-08T16:09:38 < dongcopter> well, it just wasn't funy
2017-04-08T16:09:41 < dongcopter> *shrug*
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2017-04-08T16:49:50 < aandrew> prochattr hahaha
2017-04-08T16:50:16 < aandrew> I'm going to Taipei sunday night, gotta be in front of tencent because they are whining
2017-04-08T16:50:21 < dongs> zyp, im gonna need that EV shit bom with specific parts
2017-04-08T16:50:26 < dongs> i just looked at it again ordering from chinagirl
2017-04-08T16:50:32 < dongs> i see shit like relays and other junk i have no idea about
2017-04-08T16:50:36 < dongs> and one diode is marked SOT23
2017-04-08T16:50:40 < dongs> with part# as "*"
2017-04-08T16:50:44 < dongs> youre gonna have to do a bit better than that
2017-04-08T16:51:11 < dongs> basically a list i can feed to chiangirl without having to figure out what is where
2017-04-08T16:51:18 < dongs> minus parts you ordered @ mousers (those should be marked)
2017-04-08T16:57:01 < Steffanx> lol zyp.
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2017-04-08T17:31:35 < jaakkos> should STM32 value line discovery show up with st-info --probe from https://github.com/texane/stlink after applying the usb-storage quirks and re-plugging?
2017-04-08T17:33:14 < jaakkos> on Linux the device is identified by the usb stack as idVendor=0483, idProduct=3744 and the quirks prevent usb-storage from creating the block device it seems
2017-04-08T17:33:40 < jaakkos> (still st-flash utility seems to *require* a block device soo... ok, but i wish even st-info worked first)
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2017-04-08T17:35:19 < jaakkos> without the quirks there is an endless loop of I/O errors and USB resets, but I think this is expected and the reason why the quirks exist
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2017-04-08T17:42:40 < PaulFertser> jaakkos: openocd supports stlinkv1
2017-04-08T17:43:00 < PaulFertser> jaakkos: works nicely when quirk is applied
2017-04-08T17:46:43 < jaakkos> i have that too, let me cehck
2017-04-08T17:54:36 < jaakkos> openocd seems to work after reinstalling onboard external/integrated programmer select jumpers, maybe a bit of dust in there or something, as it's years old
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2017-04-08T18:02:25 < PaulFertser> jaakkos: good
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2017-04-08T18:07:36 < PeterM> dongs teaches science https://i.imgur.com/g6s1z1h.png
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2017-04-08T18:09:45  * karlp chokes a laugh
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2017-04-08T18:19:22 < ReadError> dongs:
2017-04-08T18:19:29 < ReadError> what are the japs thinkin about BTC hitting stores
2017-04-08T18:19:41 < ReadError> after the mtgox trash
2017-04-08T18:20:12 < jaakkos> PaulFertser: shouldn't I be able to measure 3v3 on the discovery board's SWD connector between GND and VDD_TARGET?
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2017-04-08T18:20:31 < jaakkos> (now i'm trying the external stlinkv2)
2017-04-08T18:20:52 < karlp> ReadError: that <action> <service> is my least favourite thing about systemd too
2017-04-08T18:21:09 < ReadError> its like, why guise
2017-04-08T18:24:41 < karlp> jaakkos: vdd_target is an input.
2017-04-08T18:24:47 < karlp> it doesn't provide power.
2017-04-08T18:25:10 < karlp> now. the fuck was I thinking.
2017-04-08T18:25:19 < karlp> took home this shitty generator that can only do positive volttages.
2017-04-08T18:25:28 < karlp> trying to debug something that needs zero crossings.
2017-04-08T18:25:50 < karlp> so unitnerested in trying to rewire all this for some sort of fucked up floating ground.
2017-04-08T18:26:51 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C84TdeQXsAIJb7F.jpg:large
2017-04-08T18:26:56 < Laurenceb_> Assad vindicated
2017-04-08T18:27:45 < karlp> how?
2017-04-08T18:28:12 < ReadError> ethe 8ch autist said so
2017-04-08T18:28:27 < karlp> right. yes, forgot that basic fact for a second.
2017-04-08T18:28:49 < Laurenceb_> how shit 8chan autists have busted the CIA
2017-04-08T18:29:05 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/EM5uD74
2017-04-08T18:29:05 < ReadError> ?
2017-04-08T18:29:10 < englishman> they did it to shia, the cia is not that much harder
2017-04-08T18:29:21 < Laurenceb_> dat text
2017-04-08T18:29:24 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-04-08T18:29:45 < jaakkos> karlp: the stlinkv2 has a pin called "MCU VDD" in SWD mode, which is documented as "The power supply from the application board is connected to the ST-LINK/V2 debugging and programming"
2017-04-08T18:29:46 < Laurenceb_> poor Ivan
2017-04-08T18:30:02 < karlp> yes. _from_ thee application  board.
2017-04-08T18:30:47 < jaakkos> ok, so then this pin is not broken out from the SWD interface on the discovery board? as apparently VDD_TARGET is not it
2017-04-08T18:31:26 < englishman> the disco boards have a non standard pinout
2017-04-08T18:31:32 < englishman> they are frustrating imo
2017-04-08T18:31:42 < englishman> which disco exactly
2017-04-08T18:31:48 < karlp> jaakkos: what are you asking exactly?
2017-04-08T18:32:02 < karlp> pin 1 on the stlink 4/6 pin header is for the stlink to _measure_ the vdd of the target.
2017-04-08T18:32:25 < karlp> englishman: it's a standard now bucko.
2017-04-08T18:32:30 < englishman> heh
2017-04-08T18:32:45 < karlp> sure, st could really have helped push the adoption of the 2x5x1.27mm headers, but they didn't
2017-04-08T18:32:49 < jaakkos> karlp: right, it appears to be floating, openocd reports numbers that jump around. also if i measure with multimeter, i read 0 volts
2017-04-08T18:33:07 < karlp> do you have your target application vdd connected to it?
2017-04-08T18:33:14 < englishman> did you see my pro adapterboard karl https://www.oshpark.com/shared_projects/QoUhDy2L
2017-04-08T18:33:18 < englishman> should be here next week
2017-04-08T18:33:23 < jaakkos> I'm providing power via mini-USB
2017-04-08T18:33:35 < karlp> jaakkos: I think you're still not reading what I'm writing yet...
2017-04-08T18:33:37 < jaakkos> and I have removed the 2 on-board jumpers, that should disable the integrated USB programmer
2017-04-08T18:33:46 < karlp> englishman: I think you asked me to add that to zypsnips
2017-04-08T18:34:00 < karlp> englishman: yno stlink header there too?
2017-04-08T18:34:10 < englishman> o well idont think i went that far, wanted to try it out first
2017-04-08T18:34:17 < englishman> stlink header?
2017-04-08T18:35:01 < jaakkos> karlp: well, I think I have trouble understanding what I should do with VDD_TARGET pin on the discovery board. I thought *this* pin should provide the target voltage information to st-link, but maybe not.
2017-04-08T18:35:57 < englishman> this goes in the 20pin header on stlink
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2017-04-08T18:36:20 < karlp> englishman: yeah, I call "stlink header" the 6 pin one.
2017-04-08T18:36:27 < englishman> ohh the disco one. ok
2017-04-08T18:36:28 < karlp> teh 20pin on packaged stlinks is just old 20pin arm
2017-04-08T18:36:49 < jaakkos> i have the 20 pin one
2017-04-08T18:37:36 < englishman> yeah could whip that up, doesnt look like it supplies vcc tho
2017-04-08T18:38:03 < englishman> vdd_t/clk/gnd/dio/nrst/swo
2017-04-08T18:39:56 < englishman> hmm vdd_t looks weird too
2017-04-08T18:40:04 < englishman> 10k to ground, a diode, and an unplaced resistor
2017-04-08T18:42:49 < jaakkos> the discovery board user manual specifies VDD_TARGET as "VDD from application". stlinkv2 doc says the stlink VAPP (1 and 2) pin should connect to "MCU VDD" for voltage measurement, but is it wrong to connect this pin to VDD_TARGET on discovery?
2017-04-08T18:43:33 < englishman> what are you trying to do? debug a discovery with an external stlink?
2017-04-08T18:44:04 < jaakkos> yes
2017-04-08T18:44:05 < englishman> and yes that does sound wrong
2017-04-08T18:44:41 < jaakkos> should I be connecting 3v3 regulator output to st-linkv2 VAPP instead?
2017-04-08T18:44:56 < jaakkos> it sounds strange that this wouldn't be part of the SWD header.
2017-04-08T18:44:57 < englishman> yes, it's available on a couple pins on the disco
2017-04-08T18:45:23 < jaakkos> (then what is that VDD_TARGET for anyway?!)
2017-04-08T18:45:25 < englishman> nah, cortex-m debug connector is not meant to supply VDD ever
2017-04-08T18:45:40 < englishman> it is to detect your target's voltage level, so the debugger can match its voltage
2017-04-08T18:45:47 < englishman> so you dont have 3v3 signalling when your target is 1v8
2017-04-08T18:46:26 < englishman> having your debugger also source power for your target is 100% an arduino thing
2017-04-08T18:48:25 < jaakkos> the major confusion I have here is that: 1) stlink VAPP should detect target voltage level; 2) you say connect VDD_TARGET to VAPP "sounds wrong, connect to 3v3 instead" and 3) you say VDD_TARGET "it is to detect your target's voltage level"
2017-04-08T18:48:48 < jaakkos> soo... if all of this is true, VDD_TARGET should be the same as 3v3 regulator output on discovery
2017-04-08T18:48:52 < jaakkos> but it's definitely not
2017-04-08T18:51:35 < englishman> vdd_target is the vapp for your discovery's onboard stlink
2017-04-08T18:52:06 < englishman> in fact i dont know if the two stlinks will busfight or whatever
2017-04-08T18:52:20 < englishman> why are you doing this?
2017-04-08T18:53:06 < jaakkos> i need to program something else with the stlinkv2. i have some reason to believe that this particular stlinkv2 has been broken in the past, and I need to verify if that is the case.
2017-04-08T18:53:13 < jaakkos> for additional difficulty i have never worked with stm32 before
2017-04-08T18:53:51 < englishman> ah
2017-04-08T18:54:19 < englishman> you may want to ensure the onboard stlink is fully disconnected from the target
2017-04-08T18:54:24 < jaakkos> the 2 stlinks *will* busfight if jumpers are misconfigured, according to discovery doc
2017-04-08T18:54:31 < jaakkos> and because of this I have removed the jumpers accordingly
2017-04-08T18:55:00 < englishman> then connect your external stlink to pa14 etc. headrs instead
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2017-04-08T18:55:42 < jaakkos> the discovery docs instruct to use the SWD header (CN2) for connecting external stlink
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2017-04-08T18:56:09 < jaakkos> and that header provides VDD_TARGET, SWCLK, GND, SWDIO
2017-04-08T18:56:38 < jaakkos> oh noes. i get it now.
2017-04-08T18:56:41 < englishman> i think you may have misread, it's for..
2017-04-08T18:56:42 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-08T18:56:45 < englishman> :)
2017-04-08T18:57:21 < jaakkos> ok so it's not documented in discovery manual how to program it with external stlink
2017-04-08T18:57:27 < englishman> right
2017-04-08T18:57:58 < jaakkos> haha, ok thanks for bearing with me
2017-04-08T19:03:14  * jaakkos wishes no damage was done by connecting 2 st-links to each other
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2017-04-08T19:05:28 < BrainDamage> don't worry, it's not gay if the stlinks touch, however connecting together 2 psu in parallel is a short, depends how good the psu overcurrent protection holds, the gpio pins are already current limited so it's ok
2017-04-08T19:06:20 < englishman> hey youre .fi right
2017-04-08T19:06:30 < englishman> jaakkos:
2017-04-08T19:06:33 < jaakkos> shouldn't have happened, just the clk and dio (and gnd, vdd_target)
2017-04-08T19:06:37 < jaakkos> yes :)
2017-04-08T19:06:42 < englishman> man, another one
2017-04-08T19:06:45 < englishman> it so weird
2017-04-08T19:06:48 < englishman> theres like 6 finns
2017-04-08T19:06:51 < englishman> and even a nord
2017-04-08T19:06:53 < englishman> zero .se
2017-04-08T19:08:47 < jaakkos> i know some of the other finns here :)
2017-04-08T19:10:27 < jaakkos> good news is, if this stlinkv2 is broken, i might be use that stlinkv1 on the discovery board
2017-04-08T19:10:37 < jaakkos> *able to
2017-04-08T19:13:41 < zyp> dongs, ok, I'll see if I have time tomorrow night, otherwise monday
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2017-04-08T19:32:28 < jaakkos> ok stlinkv2 confirmed to be not nuked, nice
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2017-04-08T20:51:35 < Ecco> Would it be possible to somehow hack a hardware LUT on an STM32?
2017-04-08T20:51:48 < Ecco> (for DMA transfers)
2017-04-08T20:56:31 < karlp> what are you really asking?
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2017-04-08T21:04:31 < englishman> how to resell aliexpress on kickstarter: a step-by-step guide https://np.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/63gzyn/after_raising_over_360000_on_indiegogo_and/
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2017-04-08T21:15:48 < Steffanx> entrepreneur.. i always get this feeling i cannot really describe when i read that world.
2017-04-08T21:15:50 < Steffanx> word.
2017-04-08T21:19:24 < Steffanx> Hipster word.
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2017-04-08T21:19:42 < jpa-> Ecco: DMA transfer to control regs of another DMA channel ;)
2017-04-08T21:20:33 < Steffanx> Hows entrepreneuring jpa-?
2017-04-08T21:20:49 < jpa-> going pretty nice so far
2017-04-08T21:21:19 < jpa-> been doing about 2 hours per day, should be enough to pay for our living expenses
2017-04-08T21:21:20 < Steffanx> Already found some work..? you're fast :)
2017-04-08T21:22:00 < jpa-> yeah, old good contact.. but a single client doesn't give much job security :P
2017-04-08T21:22:27 < Steffanx> but its a good start.
2017-04-08T21:22:31 < Steffanx> *can be
2017-04-08T21:22:46 < jpa-> it is a good start, and very good first week :P
2017-04-08T21:23:22 < jpa-> considering that i've budgeted the worst case as "2 years without income, living on savings, put the child into daycare when he's 3"
2017-04-08T21:26:36 < Steffanx> Then every money that comes in is "extra". :)
2017-04-08T21:26:51 < Steffanx> Good for that unplanned holiday :P
2017-04-08T21:27:00 < Steffanx> *vacation
2017-04-08T21:27:32 < jpa-> our vacation tastes are fortunately very cheap :P
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2017-04-08T21:37:33 < englishman> take the family into the sauna just out back
2017-04-08T21:37:36 < englishman> vacation done
2017-04-08T21:39:10 < BrainDamage> don't take them out the sauna and crank up the heat
2017-04-08T21:39:14 < BrainDamage> save on future expenses
2017-04-08T21:40:08 < Steffanx> psychopath much?
2017-04-08T21:40:29 < BrainDamage> isn't it a requirement to join the channel? mode+p
2017-04-08T21:41:07 < Steffanx> only when you're a jappy or your last name is Blaxter.
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2017-04-08T21:52:19 < englishman> any pro electricians here
2017-04-08T21:52:42 < englishman> is it kosher/legal to run a 240v line with 240v breaker and use it as two 120v circuits
2017-04-08T21:54:45 < englishman> the breaker will trip if any one line exceeds the breaker value right
2017-04-08T22:00:52 < jpa-> if you have uneven loads, you'll get one 200v circuit and one 40v one?
2017-04-08T22:01:41 < jpa-> though i'm not familiar with american 240v systems
2017-04-08T22:02:39 < Steffanx> *beaver
2017-04-08T22:05:07 < Steffanx> and im not pro enough to answer englishmans answer.
2017-04-08T22:05:09 < Steffanx> *question
2017-04-08T22:06:12 < zyp> englishman, as long as you have a neutral you should be good, disadvantage is that overload in one half will also trip other half
2017-04-08T22:06:31 < zyp> the neutral will keep you from getting the uneven loads jpa- is mentioning
2017-04-08T22:06:54 < jpa-> are american 240v breakers actually two breakers in one box?
2017-04-08T22:07:59 < zyp> the american power system is split phase
2017-04-08T22:08:18 < zyp> so they have a neutral and two live legs of 120V each 180 degrees out of phase
2017-04-08T22:08:30 < zyp> so you get 240V between them
2017-04-08T22:08:49 < zyp> 120V circuits are wired between neutral and one leg, 240V circuits are wired between both legs
2017-04-08T22:08:57 < englishman> zyp: yeah, neutral is run, the point of this autism is not to run another circuit, and the loads will be balanced across each
2017-04-08T22:09:14 < zyp> with the neutral, balanced loads doesn't matter
2017-04-08T22:09:33 < englishman> yeah but its needed to get 120v at all :-)
2017-04-08T22:09:34 < zyp> if they are balanced, no current will travel in neutral, if they are unbalanced, neutral makes up for the difference
2017-04-08T22:11:19 < jpa-> will the 240v breaker break both hots?
2017-04-08T22:11:32 < zyp> I assume so
2017-04-08T22:11:38 < jpa-> hopefully :P
2017-04-08T22:11:51 < zyp> my guess is that a breaker is required on anything that's not on the ground/neutral potential
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2017-04-08T22:23:14 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmzl8zIE8uo I wonder how many years the total service life of this copter will be
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2017-04-08T22:25:40 < kakimir> if even a years
2017-04-08T22:30:00 < Steffanx> First he is a skilled pilot, when he fails(and crashes) he will be a dumb pilot?
2017-04-08T22:30:07 < Steffanx> and perhaps dead.
2017-04-08T22:31:50 < englishman> yeah I'm guessing the 240v breaker will break both poles at once
2017-04-08T22:34:45 < englishman> hooking up 8x mh lights
2017-04-08T22:34:48 < kakimir> and perhaps not dead
2017-04-08T22:35:08 < kakimir> flying the copter all the way down
2017-04-08T22:36:36 < Steffanx> Growing cannabis englishman?
2017-04-08T22:37:11 < englishman> no that's illegal ^_^
2017-04-08T22:39:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZlVoSktiVE1mNGM/view?usp=sharing mad mad
2017-04-08T22:40:20 < kakimir> I changed a small eternity of IRC to that
2017-04-08T22:40:39 < kakimir> and it's not yet even ready
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2017-04-08T23:35:40 < englishman> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9ZUXNeBoHo
2017-04-08T23:35:44 < englishman> my fav heli video
2017-04-08T23:42:24 < Steffanx> My fav heli video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY5ogQ-kZrY
2017-04-08T23:42:29 < englishman> yessss
2017-04-08T23:42:44 < englishman> this was my ringtone for like 3 years
2017-04-08T23:42:48 < Steffanx> :)
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2017-04-08T23:46:35 < Steffanx> or maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MipcSvxW30 :P
2017-04-08T23:47:02 < englishman> gr8 show really influenced my childhoo
2017-04-08T23:47:05 < englishman> d
2017-04-08T23:49:41 < englishman> need to renew medical before i can fly again :(
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2017-04-08T23:57:20 < englishman> fun times http://i.imgur.com/ZHmJ1NP.jpg
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2017-04-08T23:59:58 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/08/hacker-triggers-all-156-emergency-sirens-dallas/100212412/
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2017-04-09T00:02:24 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/wLt4r2P.png
2017-04-09T00:02:30 < sync_> trololol upgrdman
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2017-04-09T00:07:49 < Steffanx> "Hacker" = we didn't protect the remote desktop function and someone pressed a butto (or something)?!
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2017-04-09T00:09:27 < sync_> probably along the lines
2017-04-09T00:09:33 < sync_> or they are using siemens S7
2017-04-09T00:09:46 < sync_> who are like "yaman, incrementing session IDs are safe"
2017-04-09T00:10:12 < sync_> or require different passwords for VNC and operator login
2017-04-09T00:12:02 < Steffanx> Yeah something like that
2017-04-09T00:14:32 < englishman> why do you like assad so much Laurenceb_
2017-04-09T00:15:19 < englishman> is he into stm32
2017-04-09T00:19:35 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-04-09T00:19:46 < Laurenceb_> he kills terrorists and isnt afraid of anything
2017-04-09T00:20:03 < Laurenceb_> also lul @ "cuckoldsupreme"
2017-04-09T00:20:37 < Steffanx> englishman i figured its better to ignore
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2017-04-09T01:04:12 < upgrdman> anyone here use c#
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2017-04-09T01:46:53 < branjb> ya
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2017-04-09T02:15:02 < upgrdman> typical jap hotel   https://youtu.be/IXgX_r-x-XE?t=323
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2017-04-09T02:51:41 < branjb> is there some trick to importing lwip
2017-04-09T02:51:49 < branjb> or is it just a clusterfuck of inclusion?
2017-04-09T02:53:35 < aandrew> branjb: the latter
2017-04-09T02:53:53 < aandrew> branjb: moment, I'll giv you a clue based on my work
2017-04-09T02:54:47 < branjb> for some reason i thought it would be as easy as copying the Middleware > LwIP directory from stms shit, but then it started complaining about shit the makes no sense
2017-04-09T02:54:51 < branjb> "Could not find dos.h"
2017-04-09T02:54:52 < branjb> no shit
2017-04-09T02:58:20 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/73JH8dxp
2017-04-09T03:00:21 < aandrew> after the hardware and os are setup, i call lwipsys_init()
2017-04-09T03:00:28 < aandrew> it spawns off a few threads of its own and then that's it
2017-04-09T03:02:30 < branjb> thanks
2017-04-09T03:15:59 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/S1xRQai
2017-04-09T03:30:12 < upgrdman> does digikey or some 3rd party have a way to let you see how often a part is out of stock? e.g. so you can judge if it is a part that's a bitch to find
2017-04-09T03:42:23 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/v83ScAd
2017-04-09T03:42:36 < Laurenceb_> beautiful, just beautiful
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2017-04-09T04:55:36 < branjb> o wow
2017-04-09T04:55:45 < branjb> ========== Rebuild All: 1 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped ==========
2017-04-09T04:56:00 < branjb> lwip killed my day
2017-04-09T05:05:25 < scrts> dongs is now in lottery business https://www.facebook.com/pasauliofaktaitau/videos/1305462536211042
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2017-04-09T05:25:48 < branjb> anyone have an example of implementing some kind of memory mapping over tcp using lwip?  basically i want a byte array on the stm that can be written to/read from using tcp
2017-04-09T05:26:14 < branjb> the read/writes won't be that often, basically i don't want lwip shitting up the rest of my code servicing packets that aren't addressed to it
2017-04-09T05:26:21 < branjb> is that even a thing?
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2017-04-09T05:34:27 < Thorn> why tcp? rather than udp
2017-04-09T05:34:57 < branjb> because my networking knowledge is crap
2017-04-09T05:35:04 < branjb> is udp what i want?
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2017-04-09T05:42:20 < ReadError> udp is lighter
2017-04-09T05:42:41 < ReadError> but you need to do your own error checking
2017-04-09T05:42:56 < branjb> tcp it is
2017-04-09T05:43:19 < ReadError> tcp = guaranteed delivery
2017-04-09T05:45:08 < branjb> all i really want, is to change a few variables/run a few functions using ethernet
2017-04-09T05:46:14 < branjb> i got lwip to compile though so i'm done coding anything for today
2017-04-09T05:47:00 < Thorn__> tcp is not real time due to retransmits. udp can be realtime if you do it right
2017-04-09T05:49:56 < branjb> back to udp
2017-04-09T06:09:41 < Simon--> heh.. there's a lot more to consider with udp if you actually want link sharing, non-crossover links to work without saturation issues, etc. tcp is identical in terms of latency if you ask it to be (nagle, corking)
2017-04-09T06:10:23 < Simon--> the only time udp makes more sense is if you want to avoid setup/teardown time (super cheap random messaging) or you want to be really clever with drops not blocking what could otherwise be ahead in line
2017-04-09T06:13:52 < branjb> so my application is to remotely move a stepper, and change configuration variables for velocity/acceleration/position
2017-04-09T06:20:29 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/yh8nv9m7l6qy.jpg
2017-04-09T06:23:42 < Simon--> ok. so if you don't want to do your own framing (like sctp, which is a rare/new hybrid), udp will get you messages that start and stop and probably won't explode unless you saturate something
2017-04-09T06:24:45 < branjb> lol @ upgrdman
2017-04-09T06:25:04 < branjb> i definitely don't want to do my own framing
2017-04-09T06:25:09 < upgrdman> :)
2017-04-09T06:25:36 < branjb> about the most error checking i want to do is a parity check to see if cmd is valid
2017-04-09T06:26:45 < branjb> i actually don't even know if it makes more sense to have micro configured as a server or client
2017-04-09T06:31:30 < Thorn> >drops not blocking what could otherwise be ahead in line
2017-04-09T06:31:52 < Thorn> isn't this the point of realtime basically
2017-04-09T06:35:26 < Thorn> so you send MOVE(100), STOP, STOP, STOP!!!, STOP!!!!111 and tcp is trying to deliver the MOVE
2017-04-09T06:35:40 < Thorn> NODELAY/CORK do not disable retransmits, do they
2017-04-09T06:57:13 < dongs> zyp, better today/before monday evening (in email), because I need to ship stuff from chinagirl to me monday, so I would like to add your shit to that shipment
2017-04-09T06:57:21 < dongs> err before monday MORNING
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2017-04-09T07:36:58 < Simon--> Thorn: ok, but the only reason for tcp to not be able to send MOVE is something that would also eat UDP, and UDP wouldn't even try for you (with nice exponential back-off etc). If you want to deeper, there's also MSG_OOB (tcp urgent data) where you can jump queue to tell it to stop
2017-04-09T07:37:18 < Simon--> "realtime" is some made up concept ;)
2017-04-09T07:38:40 < Simon--> nodelay or corking just avoids the thing from trying to frame up things for you into bigger packets .. most OSes should be better at not being stupid about it these days, though, like sending it when your process sleeps as opposed to just waiting for a clock tick, or waiting for a whole "line" hacks (windows)
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2017-04-09T08:10:48 < ohsix> It is wonderful to fuck a farting woman when every fuck drives one out of her.
2017-04-09T08:11:01 < ohsix> - james joyce
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2017-04-09T08:11:53 < ohsix> multiple spittles readnig them
2017-04-09T08:17:49 < ohsix> branjb: someone did a new ip stack in rust (and it is ~easy to target stm32 / interop with c)
2017-04-09T08:19:38 < ohsix> as for the update thing, i still <3 the way quake3 did differential encoding between snaps
2017-04-09T08:20:16 < ohsix> there's a sequence number and you can send just the changes (n bits plus a few more to encode the change) and if the sequences get f'd up you can get a full snap
2017-04-09T08:20:47 < ohsix> not worth doing unless the frames are pretty large or the latencies have to be exceptionally low
2017-04-09T08:24:45 < ohsix> http://fabiensanglard.net/quake3/network.php
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2017-04-09T08:47:43 < ohsix> ne1 know if AvE has a po box and what it is, i want to send him a thesaurus
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2017-04-09T08:57:42 < zyp> dongs, hmm, I can take a look now
2017-04-09T09:00:49 < zyp> dongs, like I said before, I'll do the PTH parts myself, so you can ignore U1, P1, P2, P3, K1, K2
2017-04-09T09:01:57 < zyp> you should already have U3, U7, U2, U5, U6 from the mouser order
2017-04-09T09:04:13 < zyp> the passives should be obvious, also the crystal, so that leaves U4, Q1, Q2, D1, D2
2017-04-09T09:06:03 < zyp> U4 is whatever 3.3V SOT-23-5 LDO that's your favorite nowadays
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2017-04-09T09:07:30 < zyp> Q1/Q2 is whatever SOT-23 NFET, 2N7002 is ok unless you have a better favorite
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2017-04-09T09:16:27 < zyp> not picky about D1/D2 either, they're just there to eat the induced current by the relay coils when they are turned off
2017-04-09T09:19:53 < zyp> BAS16L seems okay, going by whatever general purpose sot-23 diodes are cheapest on digikey
2017-04-09T09:20:59 < ohsix> the people that i've done a bit of rework for buy stuff from mouser, i keep forgetting to ask why
2017-04-09T09:21:16 < ohsix> one of those things that doesn't really mean anything, but you wonder
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2017-04-09T09:37:23 < ohsix> jadew: baofeng guy got b& from ebay
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2017-04-09T10:14:17 < ohsix> http://www.grandideastudio.com/bsodomizer/ heh
2017-04-09T10:16:52 < jsoft> What do you guys use in terms of sdk and what not ?
2017-04-09T10:23:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol
2017-04-09T10:26:19 < jsoft> ohsix, thats neat :)
2017-04-09T10:34:43 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/gallery/EhX13
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2017-04-09T11:27:25 < ohsix> jsoft: cmsis & makefile, but i was playing with atom/platform.io the other day and it does tons of stuff
2017-04-09T11:27:37 < ohsix> has skeleton examples for stm32 projects
2017-04-09T11:28:18 < ohsix> it installs compilers and stuff for you
2017-04-09T11:28:19 < ohsix> http://platformio.org/platforms/ststm32
2017-04-09T11:28:28 < ohsix> does avr/esp8266 and a bunch of other stuff too
2017-04-09T11:28:53 < ohsix> lemme know if you check it out
2017-04-09T11:29:02 < ohsix> upgrdman: you might wanna check it out too, it's p. neat
2017-04-09T11:29:03 < ohsix> bbl
2017-04-09T11:30:12 < upgrdman> ohsix, thx. bookmarked
2017-04-09T11:31:26 < jsoft> ohsix, hmm
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2017-04-09T11:33:40 < jsoft> ohsix, that looks interesting
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2017-04-09T11:42:43 < dongs> unbounded autism in progress
2017-04-09T11:43:09 < dongs> all these amazing ohsix frameworks and not a single working, never mind completed project from amp!six
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2017-04-09T11:45:18 < jsoft> Im trying one out atm
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2017-04-09T12:08:06 < ReadError> frameworks for what?
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2017-04-09T12:16:37 < dongs> autism
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2017-04-09T12:21:17 < jsoft> ReadError, ohsix mentioned waht seems to be some all encompassing gizmotronic mechnisim to download frameworks like opencm3 and all that for a variety of different platforms
2017-04-09T12:21:55 < dongs> beacuse simply having a folder with shit you actually use (and know how to use) and copy it between multiple projects is SUPER HARD
2017-04-09T12:22:04 < dongs> lets involve javascript and million other dependencies and python and etc
2017-04-09T12:26:17 < jsoft> dongs, I was thinking of adding in an oracle database backend to record lines of code added per day to measure productivity to optimize project efficiency
2017-04-09T12:35:07 < dongs> good idea
2017-04-09T12:48:17 < jsoft> *sigh*
2017-04-09T12:48:21 < jsoft> Server administraton
2017-04-09T12:48:24 < jsoft> administration even
2017-04-09T12:48:34 < jsoft> What a pain in the ass that can be.
2017-04-09T13:13:17 < PeterM> have you considered the efficiency of killing yourself? it would greatly reduce teh numebr of resources the project needed and thhe amount of work done would remain the same (none)
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2017-04-09T13:17:27 < Steffanx> Same solution would solve your dryer issue as well PeterM
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2017-04-09T13:24:37 < PeterM> Steffanx right on!
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2017-04-09T14:00:58 < Steffanx> fest, did you want to lock yourself out from some websites?
2017-04-09T14:15:19 < ReadError> haha dongs
2017-04-09T14:15:27 < ReadError> my PCB korean
2017-04-09T14:15:35 < ReadError> sent an email about assembly
2017-04-09T14:15:43 < ReadError> but included all these other emails
2017-04-09T14:15:47 < ReadError> evgeny.sazhaev@hobbyking.com
2017-04-09T14:16:20 < ReadError> lens@xilinx.com
2017-04-09T14:18:29 < Steffanx> fail.
2017-04-09T14:18:36 < ReadError> ya for real
2017-04-09T14:19:05 < ReadError> guess not all asians are good with technology
2017-04-09T14:20:12 < Steffanx> was it send with 163.com?
2017-04-09T14:30:27 < Steffanx> it is very kind of you that you share it with us too ReadError..
2017-04-09T14:30:49 < ReadError> eh well fuck hobbyking
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2017-04-09T15:45:50  * karlp used platformio and it didn't suck much.
2017-04-09T15:46:35 < Steffanx> But us autistic cant handle new things
2017-04-09T15:51:23 < karlp> aandrew: which OS are you using in those snippets?
2017-04-09T15:52:35 < aandrew> karlp: freertos
2017-04-09T15:52:37 < aandrew> cmsis wrapped
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2017-04-09T16:37:16 < aandrew> stupid question time
2017-04-09T16:37:18 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/4TpFR
2017-04-09T16:37:20 < aandrew> C18 is a supercap, I am pretty sure Q23A should actually be a P-fet not an N-fet
2017-04-09T16:37:22 < aandrew> (and D and S swapped)
2017-04-09T16:37:27 < aandrew> R167 is supposed to be in-circuit when P3V3 is present to soft-charge the supercap
2017-04-09T16:37:30 < aandrew> and when P3V3 is gone, R161 pulls the gate down, which would turn the P-fet on, shorting out the body diode and R167, allowing the supercap to supply current to VRTC
2017-04-09T16:37:33 < aandrew> am I having a stupid here?
2017-04-09T16:39:03 < karlp> aandrew: how are the cmsis wrappers? just nicer syntax than using freerots directly? or are you planning on trying out substitutes?
2017-04-09T16:39:21 < aandrew> karlp: I am only using the wrappers because they make sense to me
2017-04-09T16:39:31 < aandrew> fuck pFuncFoo and xFuncFoo and shit like htat
2017-04-09T16:39:36 < karlp> right :)
2017-04-09T16:39:38 < aandrew> I have no intention of switching to anything else
2017-04-09T16:39:54 < karlp> yeah, I use freemodbus,and it's got freertos naming style shits
2017-04-09T16:40:01 < karlp> or hungarian or whatsit called
2017-04-09T16:40:16 < karlp> fuck it right wherever it doesnðt like to be fucked.
2017-04-09T16:44:45 < englishman> uh yeah why is that an nfet
2017-04-09T16:44:53 < englishman> high side switching, inverted logic
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2017-04-09T16:50:02 < englishman> aandrew: you have different symbols there for the same partnumber
2017-04-09T16:50:45 < englishman> oh nm its a combined p/n part
2017-04-09T16:53:55 < aandrew> yeah I think I just used the wrong half of the part for Q23A
2017-04-09T16:54:09 < aandrew> I fucked that up on all my input circuitry too, swapped D/S
2017-04-09T16:54:12 < aandrew> must have been drunk
2017-04-09T16:55:01 < englishman> canadian wintertime
2017-04-09T16:55:13 < aandrew> is my thinking right though on that pic? Q23A should have D/S swapped and should be Pfet not Nfet if I want it to slow-charge the cap when P3V3 is present and short out the diode/resistor when P3V3 is gone
2017-04-09T16:55:54 < englishman> for simple problems like this i find its easy to simulate on circuitlab.com
2017-04-09T16:56:25 < englishman> just because i always forget left from right when it comes to fets, which way the arrows point and which drain does which
2017-04-09T16:56:36 < Steffanx> No falstad?
2017-04-09T16:56:44 < englishman> no, falstad is terrible for this
2017-04-09T16:56:50 < englishman> it doesnt do body diode simulation
2017-04-09T16:57:09 < aandrew> for me Nfet, arrow points iN
2017-04-09T16:58:03 < englishman> yeah but
2017-04-09T16:58:09 < englishman> is that the symbol with the arrow on the gate
2017-04-09T16:58:15 < englishman> or on the body side
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2017-04-09T17:12:22 < aandrew> hm?
2017-04-09T17:12:25 < aandrew> the gate
2017-04-09T17:12:41 < aandrew> what I get mixed up with is which way the body diode points
2017-04-09T17:12:53 < aandrew> those symbols are correct, but I mean when I'm trying t work on it in my head
2017-04-09T17:13:20 < aandrew> on Nfet, gate arrow points iN and body diode cathode goes to drain
2017-04-09T17:13:36 < aandrew> on Pfet, gate arrow points out and body diode cathode goes to source
2017-04-09T17:14:39 < englishman> i already forgot
2017-04-09T17:15:14 < aandrew> haha
2017-04-09T17:18:21 < aandrew> the supercap lost 6mV in 5min powering VRTC with the rest of the STM32 unpowered
2017-04-09T17:18:36 < Steffanx> You even paid for circuitlab englishman?
2017-04-09T17:18:40 < aandrew> gonna grab 5/10/15/30/60/120/240min
2017-04-09T17:18:47 < englishman> no, its free for 20min i think
2017-04-09T17:18:48 < aandrew> I have a paid circuitlab sub, it's like $10/yr I think?
2017-04-09T17:19:03 < Steffanx> $79+
2017-04-09T17:19:10 < aandrew> wtf I am sure i did not pay that
2017-04-09T17:19:25 < Steffanx> "student" fee?
2017-04-09T17:19:39 < aandrew> "CircuitLab Hacker Lite Annual"
2017-04-09T17:19:44 < englishman> it used to be 100% free
2017-04-09T17:19:49 < aandrew> $19.50/yr
2017-04-09T17:20:11 < aandrew> huh
2017-04-09T17:20:21 < aandrew> if I modify the sub, it's $79/yr for the same thing
2017-04-09T17:20:31 < Steffanx> hah, early bird prices i guess.
2017-04-09T17:20:33 < aandrew> "You are currently subscribed to the CircuitLab Hacker Lite Annual plan for $19.50 per year. This price reflects the 50% OFF coupon code.
2017-04-09T17:20:44 < aandrew> yeah I would not pay $80/yr I use it maybe 6 times
2017-04-09T17:20:49 < aandrew> I am not a fan of simulations
2017-04-09T17:28:05 < aandrew> 11mV down in 15m
2017-04-09T17:28:12 < aandrew> what's VRTC's threshold voltage?
2017-04-09T17:33:10 < aandrew> looks like 1.65V
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2017-04-09T18:04:19 < branjb> <aandrew> on Nfet, gate arrow points iN and body diode cathode goes to drain
2017-04-09T18:04:28 < branjb> i thought npn was "not pointing in"
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2017-04-09T18:27:43 < karlp> circuitlab gets pretty pricey if you want to use it commercially.
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2017-04-09T18:33:35 < Laurenceb_> my fellow autists
2017-04-09T18:42:24 < Steffanx> Hows it assburgering?
2017-04-09T18:43:30 < Laurenceb_> Assadburgers
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2017-04-09T19:04:32 < OneSploit> Hi
2017-04-09T19:05:10 < OneSploit> Anyone here used STM32CubeMX ? I have problem, whenever I enable usb only_device for firmware upload(dfu) I get problems with clock and software cant' resolve them.
2017-04-09T19:05:13 < OneSploit> Any help ?
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2017-04-09T19:10:43 < jpa-> OneSploit: dig out the reference manual, apply conventional debugging techniques (i.e. break into debugger, print out rcc regs, see if they make sense, enable mco, check if you get the freq you expect etc.)
2017-04-09T19:18:17 < OneSploit> jpa-: I am refering to STM32CubeMX graphical tool, which allows to enable/disable USB, I know it should work, but it seems for some reason tool complains about clock.
2017-04-09T19:19:21 < jpa-> yes, cubemx has a fancy "make me a thing" button, but it doesn't have a fancy "debug things for me" button
2017-04-09T19:19:30 < jpa-> sooner or later you need to learn the second part
2017-04-09T19:20:25 < OneSploit> jpa-: its still useful to see conflicts of pins
2017-04-09T19:21:00 < jpa-> i'm not saying that you shouldn't use cubemx, but i'm saying that you could just take the code and find out why it doesn't work for you
2017-04-09T19:22:30 < branjb> OneSploit: I vaguely recall that with certain settings in the cube tool you need to change timebase source to a timer instead of systick
2017-04-09T19:22:44 < branjb> think that was mainly with RTOS stuff though
2017-04-09T19:23:32 < branjb> i'm having a retard moment, can anyone figure out the distance between center of one pad to the center of the pad next to it from this footprint? http://imgur.com/a/AslkA
2017-04-09T19:23:53 < jpa-> 0.5mm
2017-04-09T19:24:00 < jpa-> bottom right
2017-04-09T19:24:08 < branjb> that's what i thought
2017-04-09T19:24:28 < branjb> but then at the top, it shows the distance from the right side of pad 10, to the left side of pad 6 as 1.88mm
2017-04-09T19:24:41 < branjb> using .5mm doesn't get me that
2017-04-09T19:25:34 < jpa-> i think that arrow at top gives the size of the central thermal pad
2017-04-09T19:25:41 < branjb> ah
2017-04-09T19:25:56 < jpa-> would be nice if the image was to scale :P
2017-04-09T19:26:03 < branjb> yeah
2017-04-09T19:26:03 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/AslkA
2017-04-09T19:26:08 < branjb> that's what i was getting so far
2017-04-09T19:26:16 < branjb> and it looked weird because footprint is not to scale i guess
2017-04-09T19:38:01 < englishman> zyp: i remembered why splitting this 240v circuit into two 120v would be a problem, and its not to do with voltages
2017-04-09T19:38:15 < englishman> I'm running 15a sockets off it and they would be 30a protected
2017-04-09T19:38:30 < englishman> so I need to change the entire circuit to 15a or put breakers downstream
2017-04-09T19:38:52 < englishman> luckily I have a spare breaker box
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2017-04-09T19:48:04 < OneSploit> branjb: I found it, thanks ! :)
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2017-04-09T19:50:30 < OneSploit> branjb: reset and clock control had to be set for external oscilator
2017-04-09T19:52:45 < englishman> those clockgates get you every time
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2017-04-09T20:14:50 < branjb> eth differential pairs are only between the phy and transformer/rj45 jack right
2017-04-09T20:15:03 < branjb> the signals between phy and micro are just whatever?
2017-04-09T20:16:43 < zyp> englishman, well, 15A vs 30A doesn't have anything to do with 120V vs 240V :)
2017-04-09T20:17:24 < aandrew> seem to be losing about 24mV per hour
2017-04-09T20:17:37 < englishman> right, I focused on the red herring :-)
2017-04-09T20:18:13 < englishman> yeah all brass
2017-04-09T20:18:42 < zyp> englishman, the nice part is that with a breaker box downstream, you'll get four 15A 120V circuits out of that that can be utilized at the same time
2017-04-09T20:20:25 < englishman> which
2017-04-09T20:21:07 < englishman> zyp: yeah, exactly, much more flexible, still don't have to run new service
2017-04-09T20:21:57 < zyp> by service, you mean a new line from the power company?
2017-04-09T20:22:07 < zyp> or does that refer to a specific thicker cable or something like that=
2017-04-09T20:23:16 < englishman> R2COM: all rifle 3- die sets will have full length sizer, its not optional for autoloaders
2017-04-09T20:23:38 < englishman> zyp: I just mean, new circuits to the basement. service usually means the feed from pole to house, yea
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2017-04-09T20:24:47 < zyp> englishman, so a new service would imply a new meter as well?
2017-04-09T20:25:45 < englishman> R2COM: http://leeprecision.com/pacesetter-dies-223-rem.html
2017-04-09T20:25:51 < englishman> zyp: I'd imagine so yes
2017-04-09T20:27:59 < englishman> yeah these dies go in that machine
2017-04-09T20:28:12 < englishman> by autoloader, I mean semi automatic, your gun
2017-04-09T20:28:48 < englishman> Those dies will go in something like this http://leeprecision.com/4-hole-classic-turret-press.html
2017-04-09T20:28:52 < englishman> reloading press
2017-04-09T20:29:13 < englishman> there are different types, single stage, turret, progressive
2017-04-09T20:29:27 < englishman> turret is the most common especially for rifle
2017-04-09T20:29:32 < englishman> No
2017-04-09T20:29:52 < englishman> Four dies for a single caliper, for the different stages of reloading
2017-04-09T20:29:56 < englishman> Caliber
2017-04-09T20:30:17 < englishman> Yep
2017-04-09T20:30:28 < englishman> Get a replacement turret for $15 and swap out in 5s
2017-04-09T20:31:07 < englishman> Watch some YouTube videos lol there are lots
2017-04-09T20:31:31 < englishman> On that press, first stage resizes, deprimes, and primes on downstroke
2017-04-09T20:31:40 < englishman> 2nd adds powder
2017-04-09T20:31:50 < englishman> 3rd seats bullet, 4th crimps
2017-04-09T20:32:18 < englishman> thing is there isn't a trimmer, but you might not need to for 223
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2017-04-09T20:37:28 < englishman> what type of sizing you do depends on the die
2017-04-09T20:37:47 < englishman> trimming is done separately on a case length trimmer
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2017-04-09T20:41:36 < branjb> next retarded question of the day, making a footprint for an rj45 jack.  which is pin 1?  all the drawings for jacks on digikey seem to be just dimensions with no pin #, ie, http://portal.fciconnect.com/Comergent//fci/drawing/c-bmj-0102.pdf
2017-04-09T20:41:50 < branjb> nm
2017-04-09T20:41:52 < branjb> ignore above
2017-04-09T20:42:02 < branjb> i really am retarded/blind
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2017-04-09T21:35:21 < branjb> i forget, who was it that said they had used the L6472 stepper driver?
2017-04-09T21:37:29 < zyp> I'm waiting for a devboard with a bunch of L6474s
2017-04-09T21:37:51 < branjb> have you used them?
2017-04-09T21:37:55 < branjb> or is that what the dev board is for
2017-04-09T21:38:03 < zyp> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/steval-3dp001v1.html <- this
2017-04-09T21:38:16 < zyp> but I'm still waiting for it, so I've only read some of the documentation so far
2017-04-09T21:38:32 < zyp> anything in particular you're wondering about?
2017-04-09T21:39:24 < branjb> i have driver code already to control velocity/acceleration with just the traditional step/dir pins, wondering how much of a pain controlling kinematics through spi is vs just waveforms
2017-04-09T21:39:45 < zyp> isn't SPI mostly just for configuration, not the actual stepping?
2017-04-09T21:39:50 < zyp> i.e. current limits and stuff
2017-04-09T21:40:25 < branjb> hmm
2017-04-09T21:40:49 < branjb> from looking at the l6474 ds i was under the impression that the motion was controlled by the chip
2017-04-09T21:41:43 < zyp> how so?
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2017-04-09T21:42:37 < branjb> mainly because i didn't see a step/dir pin on the IC
2017-04-09T21:43:01 < zyp> step is called stck, dir is there
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2017-04-09T21:43:42 < branjb> whelp
2017-04-09T21:43:45 < branjb> rip me
2017-04-09T21:43:49 < branjb> rtfm
2017-04-09T21:46:48 < branjb> > The digital control core can generate user defined motion profiles with acceleration, deceleration, speed or target position, easily programmed through a dedicated register set.
2017-04-09T21:48:19 < zyp> hmm, that looks like the difference between L6472 and L6474
2017-04-09T21:49:11 < branjb> ah
2017-04-09T21:50:04 < zyp> L6472 has a section on «Motor control commands», they don't exist in L6474 as far as I can see
2017-04-09T21:50:22 < branjb>  L6474 is closer to what I want anyway I think
2017-04-09T21:50:33 < branjb> easier to set current limits via register than a pot or something
2017-04-09T21:50:49 < zyp> hehe
2017-04-09T21:50:54 < zyp> what are you building?
2017-04-09T21:53:02 < branjb> control board for https://vid.me/oWgM
2017-04-09T21:53:48 < zyp> aha
2017-04-09T21:54:56 < branjb> the real version is using i think nema 34's
2017-04-09T21:55:07 < branjb> the drivers i'm familiar with are all like 1-2A drivers
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2017-04-09T21:57:09 < Steffanx> What are you going to mount on that thing branjb?
2017-04-09T21:57:34 < branjb> http://blog.tmcnet.com/robotics/Schilling_ROV.jpg
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2017-04-09T22:00:20 < Steffanx> ah :)
2017-04-09T22:00:28 < Steffanx> cool
2017-04-09T22:02:06 < branjb> i thought it was going to be a simple/straight forward project
2017-04-09T22:02:11 < branjb> but keeps getting more complicated
2017-04-09T22:04:39 < Steffanx> Going to make the entire ROV or just this moving platform thing( it probably has a name but .. i dont know that name)
2017-04-09T22:07:20 < branjb> pan/tilt gimbal thing
2017-04-09T22:15:36 < Steffanx> Ah ofcourse.
2017-04-09T22:21:39 < branjb> kicad library management is done so well
2017-04-09T22:24:12 < Steffanx> Sarcasm much?
2017-04-09T22:24:58 < branjb> yeah
2017-04-09T22:25:18 < kakimir> even I have filed a bug report of the library browser
2017-04-09T22:25:42 < branjb> i don't know if it's a bug or if i'm doing it wrong, but adding a new library from the kicad github using the append library wizard, and it doesn't actually show up on the left
2017-04-09T22:26:17 < englishman> feel free to add this functionality and submit to upstream for judgement
2017-04-09T22:26:52 < branjb> what is the correct way to add a new footprint library?
2017-04-09T22:26:55 < kakimir> englishman: you are familiar with kicad development community?
2017-04-09T22:27:01 < englishman> nope
2017-04-09T22:27:14 < branjb> preference > footprint library > append with wizard > add folder and nothing shows up
2017-04-09T22:27:30 < kakimir> they say to me that I'm free to implement whatever functionality to kicad I want
2017-04-09T22:27:37 < englishman> I bet
2017-04-09T22:43:19 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdk55WWFrT09nMTA/view?usp=sharing
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2017-04-09T22:45:05 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/ClITn
2017-04-09T22:45:10 < branjb> am I doing something wrong
2017-04-09T22:45:32 < branjb> why do such common components end up crossing tracks?
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2017-04-09T22:48:42 < kakimir> englishman: give me the finnishm usics
2017-04-09T22:48:44 < kakimir> musics
2017-04-09T22:48:56 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx8uqJULDfc
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2017-04-09T23:00:19 < Steffanx> déjà vu
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2017-04-09T23:04:02 < Steffanx> Is norwegian good too kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7vwpg6dlyo
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2017-04-09T23:12:46 < kakimir> can I order from mouser with friends credit card?
2017-04-09T23:13:01 < Steffanx> I bet you can.
2017-04-09T23:13:29 < kakimir> how much you bet for?
2017-04-09T23:13:35 < Steffanx> I paid my last order with a normal bank transfer
2017-04-09T23:13:45 < Steffanx> took maybe a day extra, but it worked. ( i have no CC)
2017-04-09T23:14:14 < englishman> you can order from mouser with your enemies credit card
2017-04-09T23:14:27 < Steffanx> Billing and shipping address does not have to be the same iirc.
2017-04-09T23:24:39 < sync_> yes
2017-04-09T23:26:13 < Steffanx> They do paypal too, but only in yankeeland.
2017-04-09T23:26:42 < sync_> I did pay them with paypal once
2017-04-09T23:26:52 < sync_> iirc they don't do it outside of merica anymore, yeah
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2017-04-09T23:39:40 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/qrIJyor.gifv
2017-04-09T23:39:55 < englishman> you have to put your billing address in usa
2017-04-09T23:39:59 < englishman> shipping address can be anywhere
2017-04-09T23:40:40 < ohsix> o shi hobbykings is russians??//
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2017-04-09T23:45:22 < ohsix> ahh a reason to use mouser 13:14 < englishman> you can order from mouser with your enemies credit card
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2017-04-09T23:46:53 < ohsix> http://platformio.org/boards?count=15&filter%5Bmcu%5D=stm32f103c8&filter%5Bplatform%5D=ststm32&page=1&sorting%5Bname%5D=asc nice
2017-04-09T23:50:07 < karlp> branjb: if you're choosing jacks, there's some notes in ethernet-phys-jacks.txt in the zypsnips, on readily available ones that have great clones available for instance...
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2017-04-10T00:19:32 < Steffanx> 	mbed,  Arduino.. yeah you want that ohsix -_-
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2017-04-10T00:41:50 < kakimir> englishman: interesting musics
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2017-04-10T00:48:11 < kakimir> needs a replay
2017-04-10T01:06:03 < upgrdman> putin looks so happy  http://i.imgur.com/rQjt0IH.jpg
2017-04-10T01:06:38 < tpw_rules> oh hey it isn't that stupid picture of him in makeup
2017-04-10T01:08:43 < tpw_rules> c runtime :D
2017-04-10T01:11:52 < karlp> upgrdman: didn't you know he posted it himself? .... http://imgur.com/gallery/xpueN
2017-04-10T01:12:08 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-10T01:12:46 < upgrdman> "I'm the hottie on the left. xD rawr
2017-04-10T01:12:46 < upgrdman> " best part right there
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2017-04-10T01:43:33 < ohsix> Steffanx: more to point out that the blue board is in there, shrug
2017-04-10T01:43:58 < ohsix> http://docs.platformio.org/en/latest/platforms/ststm32.html
2017-04-10T01:44:09 < ohsix> you just need to change an entry in the .ini file to use a different one
2017-04-10T01:44:50 < ohsix> the real insidious arduino nonsense is that the basic examples just blink LEDs
2017-04-10T01:47:12 < ohsix> https://developer.mbed.org/platforms/ublox-EVK-ODIN-W2/ huh
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2017-04-10T01:47:27 < ohsix> i thoguht ublox would lock that shit up like everyone does, guess i need to dispose of that notion
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2017-04-10T01:48:17 < ohsix> need food
2017-04-10T01:49:59 < ohsix> since platformio already has a structure/layoutshit for libraries, there's a chance i might actually be able to get shit done instead of fucking around forever \m/
2017-04-10T01:53:58 < Rickta59> has anyone used SWO from BMP on linux? If so, what host applications captures the SWO output?
2017-04-10T01:54:32 < karlp> isn't theree some gdb plugin bmp provides?
2017-04-10T01:54:44 < karlp> I mean, the whole premise is bmp is all inclusive right?
2017-04-10T01:54:47 < karlp> otherwise.....
2017-04-10T01:54:50 < Rickta59> i guess ...
2017-04-10T01:55:00 < Rickta59> why i'm asking
2017-04-10T01:56:28 < Rickta59> if i search the github site the only mentions of SWO are in the code .. nothing in the wiki that i could see
2017-04-10T01:57:24 < karlp> I just do " tail -f swo.dump.log | swodec --filter-inst 0 --dump-inst"
2017-04-10T01:57:37 < Rickta59> thanks
2017-04-10T01:57:41 < karlp> with a line of config in oocd to have the swo.dump.log file created....
2017-04-10T01:57:49 < karlp> but... that's not going to help you with bmp ;)
2017-04-10T01:58:45 < Rickta59> comes out a usb interface the data?
2017-04-10T02:00:03 < Rickta59> are you are using the SWO from an STLink karlp ?
2017-04-10T02:00:12 < karlp> oocd abstracts how it comees out.  but yes, with stlink, there's an eextra usb endpoint.
2017-04-10T02:00:23 < Rickta59> nice .. ok i'll start there
2017-04-10T02:00:25 < karlp> with bmp, I don't know what theey were doing with it.
2017-04-10T02:00:27 < Rickta59> thanks
2017-04-10T02:00:45 < karlp> (just use oocd and stlink)
2017-04-10T02:10:10 < branjb> what's that one movie that the two kids start getting fucked up on drugs and then prostituting the girlfriend out for more drug money
2017-04-10T02:10:10 < branjb> ?
2017-04-10T02:16:15 < karlp> sure you're in the right channel? :)
2017-04-10T02:16:36 < branjb> yeah
2017-04-10T02:16:39 < branjb> but meant that for another
2017-04-10T02:16:40 < branjb> haha
2017-04-10T02:17:32 < branjb> hey zyp
2017-04-10T02:17:56 < branjb> is there a better way of doing traces that are high current and on the corners of an IC?
2017-04-10T02:17:57 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/fvESI
2017-04-10T02:18:05 < branjb> feel like there's gotta be a better way than that
2017-04-10T02:28:08 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPNN8w2XlwY
2017-04-10T02:37:05 < branjb> that was great
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2017-04-10T03:11:33 < upgrdman> branjb, sounds like a good movie. let me know the title if you find it
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2017-04-10T03:14:39 < kakimir> branjb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180093/
2017-04-10T03:27:05 < upgrdman> regular headphone connector is 3.5mm right?
2017-04-10T03:28:26 < kakimir> k
2017-04-10T03:28:40 < kakimir> yes
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2017-04-10T03:33:11 < Laurenceb_> peak Addadburgerz
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2017-04-10T03:50:38 < stm32> tap
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2017-04-10T03:50:56 < stm32> tap tap
2017-04-10T03:51:06 < stm32> good morning
2017-04-10T03:51:36 < stm32> upgrdman: 6.35mm is better
2017-04-10T03:51:40 < stm32> 1/4"
2017-04-10T03:52:22 < upgrdman> fuck that
2017-04-10T03:52:25 < upgrdman> too big
2017-04-10T03:55:35 < stm32> too pro
2017-04-10T04:26:25 < aandrew> hahaha https://twitter.com/PaintYourDragon/status/851168818487480320/video/1
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2017-04-10T04:33:20 < Laurenceb_> is dat some inches
2017-04-10T04:33:28 < Laurenceb_> stupid murican units
2017-04-10T04:33:39 < Laurenceb_> ebil muricans attack great leader Assad
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2017-04-10T04:38:54 < Laurenceb_> http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/files/2017/01/PizzoMeme.jpg
2017-04-10T04:41:06 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/UQr0Wwm.jpg
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2017-04-10T04:45:00 < stm32> free your mind
2017-04-10T04:45:47 < stm32> penis pump donald trum
2017-04-10T04:45:51 < stm32> p
2017-04-10T04:52:14 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/CXu3zcu
2017-04-10T04:53:18 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/GXo1lZ5
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2017-04-10T04:56:41 < stm32> of course
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2017-04-10T05:11:35 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOmq-U21pok
2017-04-10T05:11:39 < Laurenceb_> dat intro
2017-04-10T05:16:55 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmz67ErIRa4
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2017-04-10T05:23:05 < branjb> upgrdman: it was requiem for a dream
2017-04-10T05:23:57 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-10T05:24:08 < upgrdman> hmm think ive seen that
2017-04-10T05:24:48 < jadew> isn't that the one with the junkies?
2017-04-10T05:32:34 < Laurenceb_> A noosphere is mutually beneficial to all connected minds. The thoughtforms benefit through the rapid memetic evolution of so many creative connected minds, and each constituent mind benefits by becoming inhabited with the fittest memes. A population is only as good as its selective pressure. Provide the best pressure, the best temperature, THE BEST
2017-04-10T05:32:40 < jadew> Laurenceb_, they must have had some amazing advisers for the Hackers movie
2017-04-10T05:32:50 < Laurenceb_> it looks epic, need to watch asap
2017-04-10T05:33:04 < englishman> wat
2017-04-10T05:33:06 < englishman> you havent seen hackers
2017-04-10T05:33:20 < englishman> its a classic
2017-04-10T05:33:26 < jadew> yeah, I've seen it too
2017-04-10T05:33:38 < englishman> angelina jolie's first role
2017-04-10T05:33:49 < englishman> as grrl haxor
2017-04-10T05:34:21 < englishman> the mitnick era spawned a bunch of movies
2017-04-10T05:34:23 < englishman> sneakers
2017-04-10T05:34:35 < jadew> and a bunch of hackers
2017-04-10T05:34:38 < englishman> takedown
2017-04-10T05:34:41 < englishman> haha
2017-04-10T05:36:18 < jadew> looks like he has a security consulting firm now
2017-04-10T05:36:29 < jadew> I hope it was worth the 5 years of ass rape
2017-04-10T05:39:06 < jadew> ok, now I feel like watching some hacking movies
2017-04-10T05:39:43 < englishman> yah
2017-04-10T05:39:45 < englishman> antitrust
2017-04-10T05:39:50 < englishman> swordfish
2017-04-10T05:39:57 < jadew> I remember that one being pretty good (antitrust)
2017-04-10T05:40:12 < englishman> have you seen primer
2017-04-10T05:40:28 < jadew> it sounds familiar, but I don't remember it
2017-04-10T05:40:38 < englishman> its the really indie one
2017-04-10T05:40:54 < englishman> the one you have to watch like 3 times
2017-04-10T05:41:10 < jadew> oh, I think I tried to watch it 3 times but couldn't get into it
2017-04-10T05:41:23 < jadew> was it good?
2017-04-10T05:41:27 < jadew> maybe I'll try again
2017-04-10T05:41:28 < englishman> yeah its tough, you have to focus on it
2017-04-10T05:41:36 < englishman> it's great, if you can get into it
2017-04-10T05:41:53 < jadew> I'll check it out, thanks
2017-04-10T05:42:15 < englishman> wargames
2017-04-10T05:42:18 < englishman> also classic
2017-04-10T05:42:34 < jadew> the 83 one or the 2008 one?
2017-04-10T05:42:40 < englishman> oh no, theres a new one?
2017-04-10T05:42:48 < jadew> yeah
2017-04-10T05:43:03 < englishman> another unnecessary sequel
2017-04-10T05:43:18 < jadew> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0865957/reference
2017-04-10T05:43:37 < jadew> oh, I saw war games
2017-04-10T05:43:46 < jadew> with the kid that was scanning various phone numbers
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2017-04-10T05:44:02 < jadew> man, I wasn't even born back then
2017-04-10T05:44:15 < englishman> matthew broderick hooking up his acoustic coupler
2017-04-10T05:44:24 < englishman> to dial in to NORAD or whatever
2017-04-10T05:44:42 < jadew> yeah, very well made
2017-04-10T05:46:48 < jadew> I think there's a need for some heavy engineering movies
2017-04-10T05:46:58 < jadew> they'd be great in this period
2017-04-10T05:57:04 < englishman> the modern electrical engineering student http://imgur.com/a/kHWsh
2017-04-10T06:37:10 < aandrew> so I'm sitting at the airport waiting to catch a 15.5h flight to taiwan
2017-04-10T06:37:13 < aandrew> yay.
2017-04-10T06:37:24 < aandrew> oh and I blew up an STM32F207 this evening
2017-04-10T06:37:33 < aandrew> I power the board from ~15V
2017-04-10T06:37:44 < aandrew> I have a pair of wires off the 3.3V net for load testing the power cupply
2017-04-10T06:37:46 < aandrew> supply
2017-04-10T06:37:51 < aandrew> I connected 15V there :-(
2017-04-10T06:40:03 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/851213253837541376 lul opiod epidemic!111
2017-04-10T06:40:15 < ohsix> what's in taiwan aandrew
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2017-04-10T06:48:12 < aandrew> ohsix: a client's client
2017-04-10T06:48:28 < aandrew> I'm kind of the point man on the project which is why I'm going
2017-04-10T06:55:57 < ohsix> ic
2017-04-10T06:56:00 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-10T06:56:30 < upgrdman> on a usb device, should the shield pads be NC or grounded?
2017-04-10T06:56:42 < englishman> ground
2017-04-10T06:56:45 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-10T07:05:12 < aandrew> shield should go to chassis ground, but failing that, system ground
2017-04-10T07:05:42 < englishman> really
2017-04-10T07:05:57 < aandrew> chassis ground should generally go to your systme ground through a 1M resistor and 0.1uF ceramic cap, that gives a nice low impedance for transients (like static) but also keeps your board from totally floating
2017-04-10T07:07:36 < englishman> on usb3 this decoupling is recommended at every receptacle
2017-04-10T07:07:41 < englishman> but on usb2, whatevs
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2017-04-10T07:24:30 < upgrdman> i wonder if this is what dongie listens to at work   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qJ3VdVEXs0
2017-04-10T07:24:38 < upgrdman> so kawaii
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2017-04-10T07:50:00 < PeterM> upgrdman nah probably https://soundcloud.com/shokkbutt/i-swear-to-god-you-people
2017-04-10T07:52:24 < PeterM> englishman re ee student its worse than that
2017-04-10T07:52:54 < englishman> oh yes
2017-04-10T07:52:56 < englishman> i know
2017-04-10T07:53:01 < englishman> this is a top ee student
2017-04-10T07:53:15 < englishman> magna cum laude
2017-04-10T07:53:36 < englishman> but he will graduate with the same degree as everyone else
2017-04-10T07:54:03 < PeterM> and either go straight to management, or kill someone and go straight to flipping burgers
2017-04-10T07:57:00 < ohsix> hm
2017-04-10T07:57:10 < ohsix> been workign with a dude on some shit, his website says he's a usb expert
2017-04-10T07:57:22 < ohsix> will have to ask about usb sometimeee
2017-04-10T07:58:26 < ohsix> fudge
2017-04-10T07:59:33 < ohsix> every time i look at someones social media footprint i'm almost immediately disappoint https://twitter.com/hddc_mike
2017-04-10T08:00:06 < ohsix> guh now that i've posted that i can't talk shit about the thing i wanted to talk shit about
2017-04-10T08:00:32 < ohsix> hahah https://twitter.com/HDDC_Mike/status/700374368912744448
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2017-04-10T08:13:00 < englishman> haha, Steffanx the code on this site http://www.bankofcanada.ca/banknotes/banknote150/
2017-04-10T08:13:05 < englishman> may be intentiona
2017-04-10T08:13:07 < englishman> l
2017-04-10T08:13:29 < englishman> as you can enter the konami code
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2017-04-10T08:30:10 < dongs> http://www.instructables.com/id/External-Dual-Slot-to-Single-Slot-GPU-Removing-DVI/step6/Desoldering-and-Removing-the-DVI-Ports/ just leaving this here
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2017-04-10T08:49:24 < ohsix> huh https://github.com/memsindustrygroup
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2017-04-10T08:57:58 < dongs> zyp, parts for your trash ordered (i didnt have some oddball values R+C
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2017-04-10T08:59:44 < jadew> lol @ the desoldering job
2017-04-10T09:00:08 < dongs> instructables? more like destructables
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2017-04-10T09:14:10 < ohsix> could have just cut it to shit with sidecutters
2017-04-10T09:16:03 < zyp> dongs, nice
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2017-04-10T10:27:45 < PaulFertser> I've read some time ago schools in France were teaching math in a smart formal way. Is it still the case or when was it? Were pupils really not tought to "substract" and "divide" and were instead told about "additive inverse", "multiplicative inverse" and other properties of fields and algebras?
2017-04-10T10:28:22 < PaulFertser> Which algebras were studied? Only that one over the field of real numbers?
2017-04-10T10:30:31 < PaulFertser> How "hardcore" that really was, what level of formalism employed?
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2017-04-10T10:37:06 < Steffanx> Here in dutchland they tend to go "story-form". Pete has 5 apples, he want to eat them all in 4 days. Bla bla.. I was always annoyed by that.
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2017-04-10T10:38:17 < PaulFertser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Bourbaki#Bourbaki.27s_influence_on_mathematics_education
2017-04-10T10:43:04 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: hm, so I guess not much different from the soviet way.
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2017-04-10T10:57:51 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: though there were (and there're still is) a certain number of schools specialising on math education, many great scientists started their studies there.
2017-04-10T10:58:46 < PaulFertser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialized_Mathematical_School
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2017-04-10T11:36:53 < dongs> any of you negros done captouch stuff with a led inside the 'touch' button?
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2017-04-10T11:55:36 < stm32> ff
2017-04-10T11:56:21 < stm32> sup stoneders
2017-04-10T12:07:18 < Steffanx> Sky. A cloudy white one.
2017-04-10T12:11:17 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: Im not sure we have such school, sure we have specializations, but not sure about specialized schools. Sounds useful though
2017-04-10T12:12:30 < Steffanx> As every generation probably says the education gets worse and worse here. Even use od calculators in elementary school -_-
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2017-04-10T13:26:18 < jadew> we have specialized schools too
2017-04-10T13:28:17 < jadew> I remember school was very stressful, because I always felt I'm not good enough
2017-04-10T13:28:52 < jadew> to my surprise, I passed each grade tho, which now makes me think that they were making us all feel stupid
2017-04-10T13:29:00 < jadew> or maybe were were all stupid and that was the norm
2017-04-10T13:29:07 < jadew> *we were
2017-04-10T13:31:55 < jadew> interesting ad, apparently, on average, there's 4000 pounds worth of unwanted shit in UK households
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2017-04-10T13:32:54 < jadew> and they complain about the wages...
2017-04-10T13:33:19 < Steffanx> Time for a better connection scrts
2017-04-10T13:33:49 < Steffanx> Ok
2017-04-10T13:34:03 < Steffanx> Maybe Peter can help
2017-04-10T13:35:06 < Steffanx> Hows DIYing crt?
2017-04-10T13:36:41 < karlp> Steffanx: Sky. beautiful crisp blue one.
2017-04-10T13:36:45 < karlp> bit blowy though.
2017-04-10T13:41:18 < Steffanx> net
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2017-04-10T13:50:58 < kakimir> low pumps
2017-04-10T13:52:59 < Steffanx> Hi pumper
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2017-04-10T14:05:46 < karlp> fucking lua
2017-04-10T14:05:57 < karlp> replaced some bitop thing with a more portable version. now I get CRC32 doesn't match! in: 0xc88d2a00 != 0xffffffffc88d2a00!
2017-04-10T14:06:02 < karlp> thanks for nothing
2017-04-10T14:07:24 < BrainDamage> well, looks just like one is padded
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2017-04-10T14:12:01 < karlp> yeah, I know.  tried anding with 0xffffffff to get "32bit" again too, but no go.
2017-04-10T14:12:04 < karlp> going to revert for now :)
2017-04-10T14:14:36 < dongs> er?
2017-04-10T14:14:46 < dongs> shouldn't you and with 64bit
2017-04-10T14:15:10 < PeterM> https://www.80percentarms.com/collections/80-lowers/products/0-billet-ar-15-lower-receiver
2017-04-10T14:22:00 < dongs> i dont get it. is that an american joke
2017-04-10T14:23:03 < karlp> very
2017-04-10T14:23:37 < zyp> heh
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2017-04-10T14:53:30 < Steffanx> scrts: ..
2017-04-10T14:55:24 < englishman> dongs: the lower receiver is the part of the AR that requires registration, you can buy "80%" receivers that arent complete, so they dont require registration, but you drill a couple holes and its finished
2017-04-10T14:55:44 < englishman> so yea its a joke
2017-04-10T14:55:52 < dongs> americans cant drill
2017-04-10T14:56:06 < englishman> theres also "0%" AKs which is like a coke can and some instructions
2017-04-10T14:56:07 < sync_> I got a shitload of AR receivers in my shop then
2017-04-10T14:56:20 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-10T14:56:28 < englishman> anything is a gun if you try hard enough
2017-04-10T14:56:34 < englishman> dongs whats the problem with led-in-touchpad
2017-04-10T14:56:56 < dongs> i donno, you tell me
2017-04-10T14:57:04 < dongs> does it work?
2017-04-10T14:57:09 < dongs> and not fuck with capsense?
2017-04-10T14:57:45 < zyp> didn't somebody here do it?
2017-04-10T14:57:51 < zyp> maybe it was leeloo
2017-04-10T14:57:55 < dongs> snort
2017-04-10T14:58:01 < dongs> then it wasnt done/working
2017-04-10T14:58:04 < zyp> I recall some pics some weeks ago
2017-04-10T14:58:14 < englishman> why not
2017-04-10T14:58:20 < dongs> leeloo migrated to #stonertronics
2017-04-10T14:58:22 < dongs> under a new name
2017-04-10T14:58:24 < englishman> might require different threshhold values for on/off state
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2017-04-10T15:17:10 < Steffanx> Really dongs? proof.
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2017-04-10T15:18:24 < Steffanx> Or did leeloo leave and took ultrasauce to the same place.
2017-04-10T15:18:33 < Steffanx> Where is UltraSauce?
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2017-04-10T15:20:42 < BrainDamage> he's alive, I can ask him to report to the teacher for the presence check
2017-04-10T15:20:57 < Steffanx> Its pretty damn hard to write a sentence without "him" or "her" i it without triggering dongs
2017-04-10T15:21:04 < Steffanx> In it*
2017-04-10T15:21:26 < Steffanx> I mean without those words to not trigger
2017-04-10T15:21:32 < BrainDamage> well, at least for ultrasauce I know it's "him"
2017-04-10T15:21:52 < Steffanx> Yes, i hope so. His last name says he is.
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2017-04-10T16:03:25 < englishman> probably busy with his dickstarter
2017-04-10T16:03:35 < englishman> and potato planting season
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2017-04-10T16:10:30 < PeterM> englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiqqC_fbP1c
2017-04-10T16:11:12 < englishman> add some lisp and thats pretty much ultrasauce
2017-04-10T16:13:30 < Steffanx> Kickstarter, ultrasauce, englishman ?
2017-04-10T16:15:05 < Steffanx> So much hate towards the nice guy ultrasauce.
2017-04-10T16:15:12 < englishman> hate?
2017-04-10T16:15:15 < englishman> no hate
2017-04-10T16:15:26 < englishman> potatoes are hard
2017-04-10T16:15:30 < englishman> much respect
2017-04-10T16:16:38 < aandrew> who the fuck is ultrasauce
2017-04-10T16:20:25 < Steffanx> Gargantuasauce. (Or whatever it was)
2017-04-10T16:21:13 < Steffanx> How can you forget your fellow ##stm32ers
2017-04-10T16:21:40 < aandrew> I do not remember this person ever bein in the chan
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2017-04-10T16:22:41 < karlp> oh, gargantuasauce was cool
2017-04-10T16:22:46 < Steffanx> He wasnt very active. But his perfect english should have left and impression
2017-04-10T16:22:50 < Steffanx> An*
2017-04-10T16:23:09 < karlp> did he explicitly leave to not come back?
2017-04-10T16:23:24 < Steffanx> And use of words i had to look up all the time :)
2017-04-10T16:23:33 < Steffanx> No clue karlp
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2017-04-10T16:24:52 < englishman> welcome back friend
2017-04-10T16:25:20 < Steffanx> Lol Ultrasauce.
2017-04-10T16:25:30 < Ultrasauce> hi guys would you like to support my kickstarter
2017-04-10T16:25:47 < Steffanx> englishman refused to tell me what ks
2017-04-10T16:26:17 < Ultrasauce> im going to revolutionize the drone industry with a quadcopter that can fly into orbit
2017-04-10T16:26:47 < Steffanx> You know how supportive we are when it comes to ks.
2017-04-10T16:31:57 < Steffanx> I can only support it by sending the entrepreneurs/makers stroopwaffles.
2017-04-10T16:38:43 < Ultrasauce> so what are you guys innovating?
2017-04-10T16:39:01 < Ultrasauce> i am burnt out and making loud thermometers
2017-04-10T16:42:28 < englishman> http://cardboard.airdtf.com:9060/
2017-04-10T16:42:53 < englishman> wifeishman had the intelligent suggestion of actually putting it in a potted plant, instead of just sitting on my desk
2017-04-10T16:43:09 < englishman> to which i replied - but, its on the bench power supply, and the plant is on the shelf
2017-04-10T16:43:19 < englishman> to which she replied - why is the plant on the shelf instead of your desk?
2017-04-10T16:44:17 < karlp> what's a loud thermometer do?
2017-04-10T16:44:25 < karlp> has a speaker to say when it's hot?
2017-04-10T16:44:48 < Ultrasauce> a synthesizer using the finest technology the 1970s had to offer
2017-04-10T16:45:09 < Ultrasauce> and i havent bothered with temperature compensation yet
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2017-04-10T16:50:46 < englishman> for home or kickstarter use
2017-04-10T16:50:57 < Ultrasauce> just for me
2017-04-10T16:51:36 < englishman> cool
2017-04-10T16:57:48 < dongs> Note
2017-04-10T16:57:49 < dongs> Although smart cards should work with common Linux browsers, email applications, and directory services, these products have not been tested or certified by VMware.
2017-04-10T16:57:52 < dongs> what a shocker
2017-04-10T16:57:57 < dongs> lunix shit not working with basic things
2017-04-10T17:04:20 < dongs> oh zyp
2017-04-10T17:04:26 < dongs> did you pay for arcin pcb/pcba?
2017-04-10T17:05:39 < dongs> #MakeWithMaxim and Win a Microsoft
2017-04-10T17:05:45 < dongs> HoloLens - Only a Few Days Left to Participate!
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2017-04-10T17:06:05 < dongs> what the hell
2017-04-10T17:06:12 < dongs> maxim has some "mbed-enabled pegaasus ARM mcu"
2017-04-10T17:06:27 < dongs> https://media.digikey.com/Photos/Maxim%20Photos/MFG_MAX32630FTHR%23.jpg
2017-04-10T17:08:20 < karlp> don't forget this one: https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/images/qv/8845.png
2017-04-10T17:08:41 < dongs> amazing
2017-04-10T17:08:43 < dongs> what can you do with it?
2017-04-10T17:09:32 < karlp> wellness measurements! https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/digital/microcontrollers/MAX32600.html/tb_tab2
2017-04-10T17:09:35 < karlp> what else?!
2017-04-10T17:10:32 < dongs> wellness, eh
2017-04-10T17:10:41 < englishman> how many days until NRND
2017-04-10T17:11:16 < dongs> why woudl anyone use mbed
2017-04-10T17:11:19 < englishman> also available in WLP; 0Pin; 0mm2;
2017-04-10T17:11:34 < dongs> die?
2017-04-10T17:11:44 < englishman> these new 0pin bgas are interesting, ST has some too
2017-04-10T17:11:51 < dongs> link
2017-04-10T17:11:54 < dongs> what are you talkin about
2017-04-10T17:12:07 < dongs> Maxim ARM Cortex Toolchain (Windows 7)
2017-04-10T17:12:09 < dongs> Maxim ARM Cortex Toolchain (Mac OS X)
2017-04-10T17:12:12 < dongs> is this just eclipse.exe
2017-04-10T17:12:20 < dongs> with yet another shitty cortex plugin
2017-04-10T17:12:44 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/6odSFrs.png
2017-04-10T17:13:01 < dongs> ..
2017-04-10T17:13:42 < englishman> whats the altidumb menu for changing trace width of an already-routed net
2017-04-10T17:14:08 < dongs> select it and change in inspector?
2017-04-10T17:14:14 < dongs> tab to select entire trace from one segment
2017-04-10T17:14:27 < englishman> yeah select connected copper will work
2017-04-10T17:15:08 < englishman> hm didnt know tab, tahts great
2017-04-10T17:15:27 < dongs> that works.. everywhere
2017-04-10T17:15:30 < dongs> any kinda line/trace
2017-04-10T17:15:44 < dongs> also several tab clicks to select top/bottom as well
2017-04-10T17:15:51 < dongs> one click only selects until next via
2017-04-10T17:16:52 < englishman> submitting my first 6l today
2017-04-10T17:16:54 < Steffanx> Burnt out Ultrasauce as in for real? Is it bad?
2017-04-10T17:25:58 < Ultrasauce> worse than i've experienced before at least
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2017-04-10T17:32:50 < englishman> some days i just want to become a postman
2017-04-10T17:33:20 < englishman> spring is here Ultrasauce
2017-04-10T17:33:23 < englishman> nowhere to go but up
2017-04-10T17:34:40 < Ultrasauce> yeup. and messing with analog stuff is a nice diversion
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2017-04-10T17:46:48 < Steffanx> Like Postman Pat with his black and white cat, englishman ?
2017-04-10T17:47:36 < englishman> precisely
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2017-04-10T17:54:10 < Steffanx> Why DHL is so fucked up. Tracking is a f-ing desaster.
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2017-04-10T18:10:57 < englishman> just global mail
2017-04-10T18:11:02 < englishman> dhl express is gr8
2017-04-10T18:15:02 < englishman> also canadapost being lazy and incompetent
2017-04-10T18:17:19 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeWyauoPq78
2017-04-10T18:23:47 < karlp> dhl actually delivered pcbs this morning without holding them and demanding another copy ofthe invoice
2017-04-10T18:23:50 < karlp> was pretty happy with that.
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2017-04-10T18:26:46 < jadew> karlp, that's unprecedented
2017-04-10T18:26:53 < jadew> DHL sucks in here
2017-04-10T18:27:43 < jadew> they want a copy of everything and they charge you an extra fee for passing the package through the customs
2017-04-10T18:28:13 < karlp> yeah, that's _normally_ how things go.
2017-04-10T18:28:25 < jadew> and from what I've heard, if you don't pay the fee and you do your own customs, your package is not a priority anymore so you get it a bit later
2017-04-10T18:28:47 < jadew> karlp, don't know, it's much smoother with regular post in here
2017-04-10T18:28:55 < jadew> and there's no fee
2017-04-10T18:29:16 < jadew> TNT is also great
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2017-04-10T18:29:32 < jadew> and I don't remember having to pay an extra fee when I used them
2017-04-10T18:30:47 < jadew> and that extra fee is something like $30-$50
2017-04-10T18:30:55 < englishman> ouch
2017-04-10T18:30:59 < englishman> ups does that here
2017-04-10T18:31:11 < englishman> and there is a yuuge class-action against them because of it
2017-04-10T18:32:52 < jadew> yeah, if they want to charge extra for taking the package through the customs (which if you ask me, it's their job anyways), they should charge it upfront
2017-04-10T18:33:01 < jadew> and make it a part of the shipping price
2017-04-10T18:45:28 < karlp> yeah., they're just playing both sides because they can
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2017-04-10T18:50:38 < jpa-> jadew: yeah, DHL and UPS do the same extra fee crap here in .fi
2017-04-10T18:51:11 < jpa-> and here they now charge even if you do customs yourself
2017-04-10T18:55:02 < Steffanx> Even when you pre-paid customs?
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2017-04-10T19:05:31 < jadew> man... the stubborness in the opensource world is fucking annoying
2017-04-10T19:05:48 < jadew> the gcc devs refuse for years to implement auto fucking linking
2017-04-10T19:06:03 < jadew> and I have yet to see a decent argument against it
2017-04-10T19:06:26 < jadew> it's like they like this to be difficult and annoying
2017-04-10T19:06:53 < jadew> why the fuck would I want to embed the version number of my current boost library into my project settings
2017-04-10T19:06:56 < jadew> that's fucking retarded
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2017-04-10T19:12:18 < Laurenceb_> https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGw3S7xAVRbuf1C/giphy.gif
2017-04-10T19:14:18 < Steffanx> The first not so bad link in a very long time, mr Laurenceb_
2017-04-10T19:14:43 < Steffanx> Dont make me proud
2017-04-10T19:16:29 < Steffanx> *since
2017-04-10T19:21:15 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZtH0jcQI_w
2017-04-10T19:23:53 < karlp> Steffanx: that prepaid customs thing like on amazon?
2017-04-10T19:24:00 < karlp> yeah, I don't trust that _at all_
2017-04-10T19:24:10 < englishman> really? works great
2017-04-10T19:24:12 < Steffanx> not sure about amazon, but for ebay it works, and mouser etc.?
2017-04-10T19:24:55 < karlp> given how icelandic customs goes, "show me your receipt! total on receipt * 0.25 == vat"
2017-04-10T19:25:05 < karlp> I have _zero_ faith that it won't just mean I pay twice.
2017-04-10T19:25:27 < karlp> and amazon's "don't worry, you'll get some back if it's less, this is just to make sure you don't get any surprises" doesn't inspire confidence.
2017-04-10T19:25:52 < englishman> hm, that does sound fishy
2017-04-10T19:25:59 < karlp> because I've had years of experience of "free shipping" / shipping included just meaning "you don't have to pay _us_ any extra"
2017-04-10T19:28:04 < Steffanx> For me it works (tm)
2017-04-10T19:31:29 < jpa-> Steffanx: digikey prepaid customs works here, haven't tried others
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2017-04-10T19:48:20 < jadew> yeah, I like prepaid customs too
2017-04-10T19:49:11 < jadew> in fact, I think ebay shipping programme is amazing both because of that and because of the rates
2017-04-10T19:49:45 < jadew> and it's decently fast now too
2017-04-10T19:56:41 < karlp> ebay's paypal gives me terrible exchagne rates and tries to charge me a test charge for paypal too much. pain in the arse.
2017-04-10T19:57:12 < jadew> karlp, use your bank's exchange rate
2017-04-10T19:57:32 < jadew> you can set it so it doesn't do the conversion and instead charge you in whatever currency they need
2017-04-10T19:57:39 < jadew> and your bank will take care of the conversion
2017-04-10T19:58:02 < karlp> I don't get that option.
2017-04-10T19:58:19 < jadew> you might have to look in the settings
2017-04-10T19:58:32 < karlp> settings of what? ebay? I'm not using paypal, I want to jsut pay with my ccard.
2017-04-10T19:58:38 < jadew> ah
2017-04-10T19:58:48 < jadew> I don't know how that works then
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2017-04-10T20:10:39 < Steffanx> For me it works (tm) :)
2017-04-10T20:11:35 < jadew> http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Seal_f225d6_1003383.jpg
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2017-04-10T20:13:08 < Tectu> people
2017-04-10T20:13:23 < Tectu> is ´I know him from his former Bachelor study´ a sane sentence? I guess not.
2017-04-10T20:13:33 < englishman> welcome
2017-04-10T20:13:48 < englishman> and yes
2017-04-10T20:13:54 < Tectu> how would you express that you know somebody from _his_  bachelor studying crap?
2017-04-10T20:14:44 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z23Gzp0RTOg
2017-04-10T20:14:53 < englishman> well clearly you dont
2017-04-10T20:15:02 < Laurenceb_> Hello 3D woman... what do you want?
2017-04-10T20:15:15 < Tectu> englishman ?
2017-04-10T20:15:33 < englishman> well you say you know him from his program
2017-04-10T20:15:37 < englishman> implying it is not your program
2017-04-10T20:15:49 < englishman> so there is no relation there
2017-04-10T20:15:52 < Tectu> ´I know him from his (former) Bachelor program´  ?
2017-04-10T20:15:52 < jadew> haha
2017-04-10T20:16:08 < Tectu> nah, I don´t want to imply that I was a student too
2017-04-10T20:16:11 < jadew> oh, you were talking to Tectu
2017-04-10T20:16:20 < jadew> I thought you're commenting on that video Laurenceb_ posted
2017-04-10T20:16:56 < jadew> cuz I can see him producing crap like that
2017-04-10T20:17:02 < englishman> well, a relation is implied in that sentence
2017-04-10T20:17:04 < Laurenceb_> I see jadew discovered sealposting
2017-04-10T20:17:15 < englishman> so you can say, a project from his bachelor program
2017-04-10T20:17:42 < jadew> Laurenceb_, I'm getting there
2017-04-10T20:17:56 < englishman> how is skool young tectu
2017-04-10T20:18:00 < Laurenceb_> sealposting triggers the /pol/
2017-04-10T20:18:01 < Tectu> thanks englishman
2017-04-10T20:18:19 < Tectu> well... it´s going very well in terms of grades but every minute feels like a decade
2017-04-10T20:18:25 < Steffanx> Tectu dont forget you are not allowed to have a relationship with a student, as a TA or a Teacher :P
2017-04-10T20:18:27 < Tectu> only three more weeks of lectures and then a week of ultra-final exams though.
2017-04-10T20:18:50 < Tectu> and a week of vacation in between
2017-04-10T20:18:56 < englishman> thats why he wants to imply he is not a student
2017-04-10T20:22:36 < jadew> Laurenceb_, that video was really good
2017-04-10T20:22:56 < jadew> I feel like sharing it with someone, but I don't know anyone who would get it
2017-04-10T20:23:01 < BrainDamage> that would be a first
2017-04-10T20:23:13 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-04-10T20:23:54 < Laurenceb_> I'm sure efnet would get it :P
2017-04-10T20:24:04 < Laurenceb_> the 4chan of irc
2017-04-10T20:24:51 < BrainDamage> I remember I went once on an efnet channel to ask for a bouncer registration and they were surprised I spoke "normal english
2017-04-10T20:25:01 < jadew> damn gcc... I've been adding libraries for 10 minutes already, maybe more
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2017-04-10T20:25:18 < jadew> haha BrainDamage
2017-04-10T20:25:38 < Laurenceb_> wait so num3er5 was correct?
2017-04-10T20:25:56 < BrainDamage> no, the norm there is a mix of gamerspeak and memetics
2017-04-10T20:26:03 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
2017-04-10T20:26:35 < englishman> go away laurent you are scaring the tectu
2017-04-10T20:26:46 < Laurenceb_> I visited their spacex channel to find decent streams of the launch
2017-04-10T20:27:01 < Laurenceb_> got trolled with gaypronz links
2017-04-10T20:27:32 < BrainDamage> then you decided to stay because it was good quality gay porn?
2017-04-10T20:27:43 < Laurenceb_> trop trawl
2017-04-10T20:30:01 < Tectu> rocket is rocket
2017-04-10T20:33:41 < Laurenceb_> not if it lands again
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2017-04-10T20:35:25 < Steffanx> Its supposed to burst.
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2017-04-10T20:51:53 < aandrew> I'm currently flying over dongs
2017-04-10T20:53:30 < Steffanx> Sexy.
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2017-04-10T20:59:21 < englishman> !wz taiwan
2017-04-10T20:59:23 < dieforirc> [Taiwan Minsucun, Taiwan] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 26.3°C but feels like 29°C. Humidity: 87%.
2017-04-10T20:59:55 < Steffanx> !wz wut
2017-04-10T20:59:56 < dieforirc> [Wut'uh, Ethiopia] Clear. Temp is 26°C. East wind: 10 kph.
2017-04-10T21:00:05 < Steffanx> !wz lol
2017-04-10T21:00:05 < dieforirc> [Lolodorf, Cameroon] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 26°C. SW wind: 6 kph.
2017-04-10T21:00:19 < Steffanx> !wz Good job englishman
2017-04-10T21:00:19 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-04-10T21:00:25 < BrainDamage> !wz fucking
2017-04-10T21:00:26 < dieforirc> [Fucking, Austria] Clear. Temp is 18.9°C. WNW wind: 4.0 kph.
2017-04-10T21:00:34 < BrainDamage> !wz frankenstein
2017-04-10T21:00:35 < dieforirc> [Frankenstein, Germany] Overcast. Temp is 13.8°C. North wind: 1.9 kph. Humidity: 56%.
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2017-04-10T21:01:16 < BrainDamage> !wz scunthorpe
2017-04-10T21:01:18 < dieforirc> [Scunthorpe, United Kingdom] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 9.7°C. SSW wind: 4.8 kph. Humidity: 74%.
2017-04-10T21:01:51 < Steffanx> !wz cheat
2017-04-10T21:01:52 < dieforirc> [Cheat Lake, West Virginia] Clear. Temp is 26.1°C. WSW wind: 6.4 kph.
2017-04-10T21:02:01 < Steffanx> You are cheating BrainDamage. You know those places exist.
2017-04-10T21:02:17 < englishman> !forecast zwolle
2017-04-10T21:02:19 < dieforirc> [Zwolle, Netherlands] [*Monday*]: Partly cloudy. Low 4C. [*Monday Night*]: Partly cloudy. Low 4C. Winds WNW at 15 to 25 km/h.
2017-04-10T21:03:09 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: I've actually been in both fucking and frankenstein
2017-04-10T21:04:17 < englishman> !wz yqb
2017-04-10T21:04:18 < dieforirc> [YQB, Canada] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 21.3°C. SSE wind: 16.7 kph.
2017-04-10T21:04:55 < BrainDamage> !wz meme
2017-04-10T21:04:56 < dieforirc> [Meme, (null)] Rain. Temp is 25°C. SW wind: 6 kph.
2017-04-10T21:05:08 < BrainDamage> hah, broke it
2017-04-10T21:07:38 < Steffanx> Hehe
2017-04-10T21:08:47 < Laurenceb_> !wz null
2017-04-10T21:08:48 < dieforirc> [Nulla Nulla, Australia] Clear. Temp is 14°C. NE wind: 14 kph.
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2017-04-10T21:10:59 < Steffanx> !forecast blaxter
2017-04-10T21:11:00 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-04-10T21:11:16 < Steffanx> Expected some link
2017-04-10T21:11:23 < Steffanx> With crap
2017-04-10T21:11:38 < Laurenceb_> ok I have a lunix question
2017-04-10T21:12:11 < Laurenceb_> scp "<blah>/V*/*.dat" ./Correlation_data/
2017-04-10T21:12:54 < Laurenceb_> I need to copy a load of files, but each file has the same name
2017-04-10T21:13:15 < Laurenceb_> so *.dat will always match old.dat or new.dat
2017-04-10T21:13:19 < englishman> templeOS is probably very good at this
2017-04-10T21:13:22 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-04-10T21:13:32 < Laurenceb_> actually thats probably true
2017-04-10T21:13:43 < englishman> i did not jest
2017-04-10T21:14:26 < englishman> time to take lildongs for a walk
2017-04-10T21:14:53 < Laurenceb_> needs an actual script not a one liner?
2017-04-10T21:15:09 < Laurenceb_> I need to append the name that V* matches to the filename
2017-04-10T21:16:26 < BrainDamage> you want a for loop
2017-04-10T21:17:00 < BrainDamage> * matches anything, not "same name"
2017-04-10T21:17:02 < Laurenceb_> thing is <blah> is my fileserver
2017-04-10T21:17:29 < BrainDamage> sshfs /path/to/server mount/point
2017-04-10T21:17:40 < BrainDamage> then you can treat the remote server as a local disk
2017-04-10T21:17:46 < Laurenceb_> ah cool
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2017-04-10T21:23:58 < Laurenceb_> giving me "Bad message"
2017-04-10T21:24:10 < Laurenceb_> probably due to spaces in the path :S
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2017-04-10T21:34:28 < BrainDamage> as long as you quote/escape things, space(x) doesn't matter
2017-04-10T21:35:01 < Laurenceb_> escape using \   ?
2017-04-10T21:35:34 < Laurenceb_> read: Connection reset by peer
2017-04-10T21:35:40 < Laurenceb_> from bad to worse :S
2017-04-10T21:35:52 < BrainDamage> show the exact commands you're using
2017-04-10T21:36:00 < BrainDamage> and the output
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2017-04-10T21:37:31 < Laurenceb_> sudo sshfs "<foo>@<bar>:/media/windowsshare/PaedCEW/" /media/PaedCEW
2017-04-10T21:37:31 < Laurenceb_> read: Connection reset by peer
2017-04-10T21:41:00 < BrainDamage> sudo is superflous, just mount to a user-writeable dir, even tmp works, the quoting is superflous too, rest looks correct, remember sshfs uses ssh internally, so you _want_ to omit sudo so it'll use the user's stuff
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2017-04-10T21:42:59 < Laurenceb_> ah got it thanks
2017-04-10T21:43:10 < Laurenceb_> needed to fix the local mount point
2017-04-10T21:44:45 < Laurenceb_> so now I need to search for matching files, then rename then using their path and copy to my new local folder...
2017-04-10T21:44:48 < Laurenceb_> confusing
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2017-04-10T21:47:49 < BrainDamage> for i in "mountpoint/PedoCEW/*"; do cp mountpoint/PedoCEW/"$i"/"$i".dat destination/PedoCEW/"$i".dat; done
2017-04-10T21:48:27 < BrainDamage> sorry,not done, I forgot the bash keyword
2017-04-10T21:48:34 < BrainDamage> 10s in googleshould tell you
2017-04-10T21:50:15 < BrainDamage> also learning a bit of bash scripting is good for the long run, it makes bookkeeping tasks like those trivial
2017-04-10T21:50:59 < BrainDamage> or powershell in windows
2017-04-10T21:51:01 < Laurenceb_> PedoCEW/*"; do cp   lel
2017-04-10T21:51:38 < Laurenceb_> so i is the wildcard match?
2017-04-10T21:51:58 < BrainDamage> i is just a variable, it gets filled by the for loop
2017-04-10T21:52:20 < Laurenceb_> yeah but is it filled with the wildcard match or the whole matched path?
2017-04-10T21:52:30 < BrainDamage> the match
2017-04-10T21:52:39 < Laurenceb_> oh cool, think I see how to make this work
2017-04-10T21:52:41 < Laurenceb_> thanks
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2017-04-10T22:15:16 < upgrdman> in altium i used sch inspector to find nets. it highlighted a net, but not everything else in the shcematic is transparent. how to i return to normal mode
2017-04-10T22:15:23 < upgrdman> s/not/now
2017-04-10T22:15:41 < gxti> clear button at bottom right, or alt-click (or ctrl-click? i forget) a blank area
2017-04-10T22:17:14 < upgrdman> thx
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2017-04-10T22:39:23 < aandrew> flying oer Kobe now
2017-04-10T22:41:24 < aandrew> hm, can't seem to get this emulated stm32f2 going
2017-04-10T22:47:28 < karlp> pebbles qemu shit?
2017-04-10T22:48:00 < karlp> i got the lm3s qemu working, I think there's notes in locm3-eaxmples
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2017-04-10T22:48:46 < aandrew> I'm using https://github.com/martijnthe/qemu_stm32
2017-04-10T22:48:58 < aandrew> rather it does work but I keep hitting hardware that is not implemented
2017-04-10T22:49:07 < aandrew> I just need to simplify I guess
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2017-04-10T22:53:02 < karlp> oh yeah, you won't see many of the periphs implemented.
2017-04-10T22:53:10 < karlp> it's like, "you get a timer, maybe, in basic modes"
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2017-04-10T22:53:42 < karlp> aandrew: last commit ~4 years ago doesn't inspire confidence of course
2017-04-10T22:54:24 < aandrew> karlp: yes, they do say some RCC, UART and that's about it
2017-04-10T22:55:15 < aandrew> emaste has a more recent fork aparently
2017-04-10T22:55:59 < aandrew> https://github.com/emaste/qemu_stm32
2017-04-10T22:56:03 < aandrew> you're right, that is old
2017-04-10T22:56:46 < karlp> http://download.qemu-project.org/qemu-doc.html#QEMU-System-emulator-for-non-PC-targets if you scroll down to luminary micro you can see what they have in mainline.
2017-04-10T22:57:35 < karlp> aandrew: 11 extra commits, but still from 4 years ago. mostly looks like it added support for an lcd
2017-04-10T22:57:59 < karlp> https://github.com/pebble/qemu has commits from only 5-6months ago
2017-04-10T22:59:13 < karlp> looks like they have support for f2, f439
2017-04-10T22:59:32 < karlp> even implies sopme f7 support
2017-04-10T23:00:33 < aandrew> huh that pebble one is much newer
2017-04-10T23:00:39 < aandrew> those fuckers might be able to do some good for me for once
2017-04-10T23:00:46 < aandrew> they still owe me $27k
2017-04-10T23:01:23 < karlp> doh
2017-04-10T23:01:41 < karlp> http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/qemu/ says they have a fork too :|
2017-04-10T23:01:59 < aandrew> fuck all these forks
2017-04-10T23:02:30 < karlp> yeah, fucking disaster
2017-04-10T23:02:39 < aandrew> yeah the gnuarmeclipse one doesn't look like what I'm after
2017-04-10T23:02:43 < karlp> gnuarmeclipse seems like possibly the best one.
2017-04-10T23:02:45 < aandrew> pebble looks very promising though
2017-04-10T23:02:55 < aandrew> karlp: they don't have F2
2017-04-10T23:03:00 < aandrew> but they do have other devices though
2017-04-10T23:03:02 < karlp> oh, you're really actually using f2?
2017-04-10T23:03:20 < karlp> https://github.com/gnuarmeclipse/qemu/blob/gnuarmeclipse-dev/hw/arm/stm32f205_soc.c ?
2017-04-10T23:03:43 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/undefined.png
2017-04-10T23:03:58 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/CBjY3AO
2017-04-10T23:04:12 < aandrew> yes, rally actually using F2
2017-04-10T23:04:25 < Laurenceb_> whats the point of F2 :P
2017-04-10T23:04:47 < karlp> man, gnuarmeclipse is just like a total fork.
2017-04-10T23:04:52 < karlp> totally different directory structure of shit
2017-04-10T23:04:52 < aandrew> cheap and has ethernet is what they chose it for
2017-04-10T23:04:59 < karlp> glad I'm not looking at this in more detail :)
2017-04-10T23:05:05 < aandrew> karlp: yep, guaranteeing it won't survive unless it eats the others
2017-04-10T23:05:12  * karlp closes some tabs
2017-04-10T23:05:24 < karlp> pebble and gnuarmeclipse look at least to both be active though
2017-04-10T23:05:37 < karlp> though I dont' think either of them look like they're in any hurry to upstream any of it.
2017-04-10T23:05:40 < BrainDamage> I don't understand total forks, it's more commitment than a marriage
2017-04-10T23:05:42 < karlp> kind disasspoitning
2017-04-10T23:05:48 < aandrew> yep
2017-04-10T23:05:52 < aandrew> +1 BrainDamage
2017-04-10T23:06:10 < aandrew> my favourite software development saying: programming is like sex; one mistake and you support it for life
2017-04-10T23:06:50 < englishman> the opposite is true with opensores
2017-04-10T23:07:47 < Laurenceb_> its like aids
2017-04-10T23:07:48 < karlp> englishman: got an email from atollic this morning, "please install this patch for versions 5.x all the way through 7.x so it keeps working in a month when we change something on our servers that makes "licensing better""
2017-04-10T23:07:57 < Laurenceb_> you can never cleanse yourself of GPL
2017-04-10T23:07:57 < karlp> they're not supporting their old shit either.
2017-04-10T23:08:07 < englishman> nice
2017-04-10T23:08:19 < englishman> time to diff and find out where the fix is to allow piracy
2017-04-10T23:08:40 < englishman> the one thing i agree with fat gabe about
2017-04-10T23:08:47 < englishman> is that piracy is a service issue
2017-04-10T23:09:58 < karlp> what do you mean?
2017-04-10T23:10:27 < karlp> do you mean, allow, but make sure you can detect so you don't waste resources on customer service?
2017-04-10T23:10:55 < aandrew> atollic looks good, they did a lot of work to help with visibility in debugging
2017-04-10T23:11:05 < aandrew> Ozone (jlink's graphical debugger) is good too
2017-04-10T23:11:06 < englishman> at least dont make licensing affect your customer negatively, ever
2017-04-10T23:11:14 < englishman> or purchase
2017-04-10T23:11:14 < aandrew> I try to stick to plain old gdb whenever possible though
2017-04-10T23:12:41 < karlp> englishman: yeah, this email, "do this or we're going to break what you paid for" is fucking F on customer service in my books
2017-04-10T23:12:47 < Steffanx> you meant keil? :P
2017-04-10T23:12:54 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-10T23:13:07 < englishman> see if you were pirating, your software would work
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2017-04-10T23:13:49 < aandrew> ^^
2017-04-10T23:13:51 < aandrew> exactly
2017-04-10T23:13:54 < Laurenceb_> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9113394/Killing-babies-no-different-from-abortion-experts-say.html
2017-04-10T23:13:55 < BrainDamage> that's one thing that pisses me off, most license enforcement systems hurt more the legit users than the illegit
2017-04-10T23:13:59 < englishman> like back in the day when your cd was scratched and due to copy protection you had to crack to bypass starforce, etc
2017-04-10T23:14:13 < aandrew> heh
2017-04-10T23:14:13 < Laurenceb_> The authors therefore concluded that “what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ should be permissible in all cases
2017-04-10T23:14:18 < Laurenceb_> I liek dis
2017-04-10T23:14:43 < Laurenceb_> should solve the efnet problem
2017-04-10T23:14:52 < aandrew> I remember "hacking" the dungeons and dragons C64 game to change all the lookup words to "dragon" - I noticed all the words they asked you to look up were 6 letters, so did a disk search for one of them
2017-04-10T23:15:03 < BrainDamage> also semi-related to companies screwing up customers: https://imgur.com/gallery/P7cCW
2017-04-10T23:15:19 < englishman> yeah that video is on real news and stuff
2017-04-10T23:15:20 < englishman> pretty nuts
2017-04-10T23:16:06 < Laurenceb_> sounds like fake news to me
2017-04-10T23:16:29 < Steffanx> People can also be less stubborn and just cooperate..
2017-04-10T23:16:41 < englishman> airlines could also not oversell
2017-04-10T23:16:53 < englishman> or, handle the situation better
2017-04-10T23:17:21 < BrainDamage> they literally demontrated that they consider beating someone for 800$
2017-04-10T23:17:31 < Steffanx> Maybe, but i better not judge based on 1/2 stories.
2017-04-10T23:17:51 < BrainDamage> it's being repasted on several news sites now
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2017-04-10T23:18:20 < BrainDamage> ofc there's good chance they are retweeting it blindly too, given the trend in news propagation nowdays
2017-04-10T23:19:38 < Steffanx> I believe this is the same guy: http://media.dumpert.nl/tablet/_aef82a8c_YTDL_1.mp4.mp4.mp4 .. he behaved pretty nuts :P
2017-04-10T23:20:05 < Steffanx> I bet it was dongs.
2017-04-10T23:20:41 < englishman> no, dongs is black
2017-04-10T23:20:52 < Steffanx> Autism kicked in.
2017-04-10T23:21:37 < Steffanx> No dongs aint black, unless he bleaches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP9PXWvYvag
2017-04-10T23:24:52 < englishman> ReadError also has been known to use stunt hands
2017-04-10T23:24:57 < aandrew> < Steffanx> People can also be less stubborn and just cooperate..
2017-04-10T23:24:59 < aandrew> I'm sorry, no
2017-04-10T23:25:00 < aandrew> fuck that
2017-04-10T23:25:10 < ReadError> ^ true story
2017-04-10T23:25:18 < aandrew> I pay for a flight, I expect, no I demand the fucking company do their part of the contract
2017-04-10T23:25:41 < aandrew> barring mechanical failure or act of god that makes it impossible to fly, it's not my problem that their company is incompettent
2017-04-10T23:25:44 < aandrew> incompetent
2017-04-10T23:26:00 < aandrew> they oversell, which I get and agree with
2017-04-10T23:26:25 < aandrew> but you DO NOT FUCKING BOARD PEOPLE KNOWING FULL FUCKING WELL THAT YOU NEED FOUR OR WHATEVER SEATS FOR YOUR FUCKING CREW
2017-04-10T23:26:42 < aandrew> it's not like the plane magically shrunk and you weren't aware
2017-04-10T23:26:56 < aandrew> again, fucking incompetence
2017-04-10T23:27:05 < aandrew> I hope United gets crucified in the court of public opinion
2017-04-10T23:27:28 < aandrew> they won't have shit happen to them in a court of law because the one-sided contracts in place with ticket sales were designed to protect them
2017-04-10T23:27:38 < englishman> UAL (United Continental Holdings Inc)  last: 71.52 ▴0.64 (▴0.90%)  Daily range:(70.25-72.10)  Yearly range:(37.41-76.80)  Volume: -  Last trade: Apr 10, 4:00PM EDT
2017-04-10T23:27:39 < englishman> nope
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2017-04-10T23:27:54 < aandrew> not yet
2017-04-10T23:27:57 < aandrew> give it a few days
2017-04-10T23:28:02 < BrainDamage> well, they can revoke the ticket, but the beating seems a bit excessive force to remove
2017-04-10T23:28:05 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/zipcNlb
2017-04-10T23:28:38 < aandrew> and again, no they should not be able to revoke the ticket
2017-04-10T23:28:40 < aandrew> they fucked up
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2017-04-10T23:28:46 < aandrew> they get to charter a flight for their crew of four
2017-04-10T23:28:48 < aandrew> fuck them
2017-04-10T23:29:04 < Steffanx> lol. ( all i can say, aandrew :P )
2017-04-10T23:29:41 < aandrew> yeah
2017-04-10T23:29:42 < aandrew> I know
2017-04-10T23:29:47 < aandrew> I'm just a guy on the internet ranting
2017-04-10T23:29:50 < aandrew> not like that's rare
2017-04-10T23:30:00 < Steffanx> How's your flight?
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2017-04-10T23:33:49 < aandrew> very nice
2017-04-10T23:33:51 < aandrew> long though
2017-04-10T23:33:55 < aandrew> Eva air is nice
2017-04-10T23:34:04 < aandrew> I got my beef congee for breakfast, I'm happy
2017-04-10T23:34:37 < Steffanx> looks awful
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2017-04-10T23:35:40 < aandrew> yes
2017-04-10T23:35:45 < aandrew> it does look like cat barf
2017-04-10T23:35:49 < aandrew> but it tastes amazing
2017-04-10T23:36:00 < aandrew> one of my favourite meals from asia
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2017-04-11T00:14:37 < kakimir> https://images.apina.biz/full/97297.jpg  Laurenceb_
2017-04-11T00:15:28 < karlp> heh
2017-04-11T00:15:30 < karlp> what fence is that?
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2017-04-11T00:16:37 < kakimir> internet is like stupid it rarelly has context to anything
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2017-04-11T00:18:10 < kakimir> context not included
2017-04-11T00:21:54 < kakimir> provided by third party such as google
2017-04-11T00:30:31 < englishman> crt
2017-04-11T00:30:35 < englishman> did you see this cat pic
2017-04-11T00:30:47 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/Z2nYMPO.jpg
2017-04-11T00:30:51 < englishman> too much sun for lildongs
2017-04-11T00:31:18 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbkhodmhaTVhPWGc/view?usp=sharing
2017-04-11T00:32:28 < kakimir> is the winterfur comming off alreadt englishman ?
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2017-04-11T00:35:57 < englishman> no he got a belly shave for his dong operation
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2017-04-11T00:38:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYVhERzFxRnJMREk/view?usp=sharing progress
2017-04-11T00:46:38 < englishman> hell yeah
2017-04-11T00:50:24 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeXRMcTZvMlBXNG8/view?usp=sharing what if..
2017-04-11T00:50:43 < kakimir> I borrow it a little..
2017-04-11T01:04:28 < kakimir> return it in pieces
2017-04-11T01:04:38 < kakimir> are you one of those guise?
2017-04-11T01:06:03 < kakimir> "I didn't break it. It was already shit. No harm done."
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2017-04-11T01:12:07 < kakimir> "You totaled it!?!!"
2017-04-11T01:12:57 < kakimir> "I just accelerated it's destruction"
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2017-04-11T02:06:50 < kakimir> low pumps
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2017-04-11T02:09:14 < kakimir> I need usb b connector system ip67 uv f1 rated
2017-04-11T02:09:30 < kakimir> panel mount female and plug male
2017-04-11T02:09:41 < kakimir> -30C - +50C
2017-04-11T02:09:56 < kakimir> the inexpensive one
2017-04-11T02:10:03 < kakimir> recommds.?
2017-04-11T02:11:22 < kakimir> what does it even mean when such connector says it's operating temperature is from 0C to 50C
2017-04-11T02:11:35 < kakimir> O-ring gets too hard?
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2017-04-11T02:21:53 < karlp> tineye/google just turn up piles of spam for that image
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2017-04-11T02:27:46 < kakimir> should probs sleep
2017-04-11T02:28:04 < kakimir> hard day eating stoopwaffles tommorrow
2017-04-11T02:48:42 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF2b_f1j5uY
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2017-04-11T02:49:30 < stm32> lets all go for a swim
2017-04-11T02:53:05 < kakimir> are you talking metaphorically
2017-04-11T02:57:53 < kakimir> as Steffanx says..
2017-04-11T02:57:59 < kakimir> sudo make sense
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2017-04-11T03:14:41 < stm32> mate
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2017-04-11T03:54:55 < upgrdman_> lol  https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/04/10/2331226/mcdonalds-is-now-accepting-snapchats-as-job-applications
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2017-04-11T04:02:48 < stm32> oh
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2017-04-11T05:19:52 < stm32> hannibal woofer
2017-04-11T05:26:54 < aandrew> flyback: get your issues resolved? haven't had any replies yet
2017-04-11T05:29:53 < stm32> alright,
2017-04-11T05:29:56 < stm32> grub.
2017-04-11T05:40:04 < aandrew> *nods*
2017-04-11T05:40:07 < stm32> hi flybak
2017-04-11T05:40:22 < aandrew> I find that most ratings/certs are there for a real reason
2017-04-11T05:40:28 < aandrew> sometimes an obscure reason
2017-04-11T05:40:33 < aandrew> but people are generally lazy
2017-04-11T05:41:21 < stm32> welocme
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2017-04-11T05:57:48 < dongs> < aandrew> flyback: get your issues resolved?
2017-04-11T05:57:56 < dongs> flyback resolving his issues would be like amp!six shutting up
2017-04-11T05:58:03 < dongs> not bloody likely
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2017-04-11T06:04:25 < aandrew> lol
2017-04-11T06:04:38 < aandrew> I'm in your neck of the woods now dongs
2017-04-11T06:04:48 < dongs> you got sent to jp?
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2017-04-11T06:05:00 < aandrew> taipei, I flew over your rice paddy
2017-04-11T06:05:07 < dongs> cool
2017-04-11T06:05:11 < dongs> whats blogging there
2017-04-11T06:05:18 < aandrew> I sure as fuck hope not but I might get sent to shenzhen
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2017-04-11T06:05:23 < dongs> i got a couple dickstarter projcets im doing for taiwan fags
2017-04-11T06:05:26 < aandrew> tencent. solving issues as usual
2017-04-11T06:05:32 < dongs> shenzhen > taipei
2017-04-11T06:05:44 < aandrew> well I want to be home on Thursday so that's why 'm saying I don't want to go
2017-04-11T06:06:01 < aandrew> eva air is a nice airline though
2017-04-11T06:06:12 < dongs> did you ride the hello kitty version
2017-04-11T06:06:13 < aandrew> I was amused that they give you a pair of slippers and a new pair of socks
2017-04-11T06:06:20 < dongs> thats waht I try to do when i fly there
2017-04-11T06:06:21 < aandrew> no, just a regular painted one
2017-04-11T06:06:23 < dongs> also: they take paypal
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2017-04-11T06:06:43 < dongs> so i get taiwan people to pay my ticket in real money then pay for it with paypal
2017-04-11T06:06:46 < dongs> profit!
2017-04-11T06:08:35 < aandrew> nice
2017-04-11T06:10:22 < dongs> return by hello kitty for max experience
2017-04-11T06:10:33 < dongs> tho i donno i think you gotta book that in advance so if you already have return youre fukt
2017-04-11T06:10:44 < dongs> did you fly through NY or something?
2017-04-11T06:10:49 < dongs> or vancouver
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2017-04-11T06:25:02 < aandrew> fuck no
2017-04-11T06:25:09 < aandrew> I flew direct from Toronto to Taipei. 15.5h
2017-04-11T06:25:24 < aandrew> any quaternion experts here? upgrdman?
2017-04-11T06:25:38 < aandrew> is it possible to have two sets of quaternary data that describe the same orientation?
2017-04-11T06:25:39 < upgrdman> aandrew, lol, whats up
2017-04-11T06:25:51 < upgrdman> im no expert on em but i've used em a few times
2017-04-11T06:25:55 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-04-11T06:26:02 < upgrdman> yes
2017-04-11T06:26:52 < upgrdman> imagine a fork stuck into a sphere. a quat specifies the vector of the fork, and how much to rotate the fork
2017-04-11T06:27:00 < aandrew> right
2017-04-11T06:27:08 < upgrdman> so you could stick the fork in the opposite side
2017-04-11T06:29:01 < stm32> dogged and flogged
2017-04-11T06:29:12 < stm32> he couldn't do the job
2017-04-11T06:29:57 < aandrew> hm
2017-04-11T06:30:14 < dongs> 420 degrees
2017-04-11T06:30:35 < stm32> mm
2017-04-11T06:30:57 < aandrew> ok, what about that same fork stuck inot the orange -- if I have the orientation described with quat 1, does it make sense that changing the orientation just slightly would give me quat2 with a slightly different vector but rotation values that are all opposite polarity from quat1?
2017-04-11T06:31:37 < aandrew> i.e. there is nothing about quats that say that there are no asymptotes in readings as you smoothly rotate
2017-04-11T06:38:22 < ohsix> got 7 packages from ali today
2017-04-11T06:38:59 < ohsix> running low on orders in flight
2017-04-11T06:39:04 < ohsix> need to find other stuffff
2017-04-11T06:39:12 < ohsix> aandrew: yes
2017-04-11T06:39:15 < ohsix> re: quat
2017-04-11T06:40:11 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slerp#Quaternion_Slerp
2017-04-11T06:40:30 < ohsix> vvvvvv versor
2017-04-11T06:40:48 < ohsix> but beyond that i don't really get em, from lack of use
2017-04-11T06:42:02 < ohsix> ol the words at that link
2017-04-11T06:42:41 < ohsix> http://quaternions.online/ heh
2017-04-11T06:43:08 < ohsix> daww other tabs are wip
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2017-04-11T06:45:02 < ohsix> i bet i've got 10 books that have identities and geometric explainations
2017-04-11T06:45:59 < ohsix> http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=37078329A6A4318C5DAFF6231774DBDB lewl a whole book
2017-04-11T06:47:18 < aandrew> what the fuck is slerp
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2017-04-11T06:47:36 < ohsix> slewing linear interpolation
2017-04-11T06:47:49 < ohsix> don't remember
2017-04-11T06:47:59 < aandrew> ohsix: so it's OK to have asymptoptic observations in quat data as rotation is performed
2017-04-11T06:47:59 < ohsix> spherical
2017-04-11T06:48:15 < ohsix> i don't know
2017-04-11T06:48:25 < ohsix> from what a quat is, i thought the point of them was to avoid that
2017-04-11T06:49:06 < aandrew> not sure. I thought quats were nice because there was no ambiguous rotations (gimbal lock)
2017-04-11T06:49:15 < ohsix> yea
2017-04-11T06:49:42 < ohsix> i would think if you had the 4th param go to infinity or whatever, you've made a mistake somewhere
2017-04-11T06:49:43 < aandrew> but as far as values always being smooth with smooth movement, I didn't think that mattered because you knew that the values always mapped to a correct orientation
2017-04-11T06:50:53 < ohsix> and by correct you mean isomorphic or unambiguously?
2017-04-11T06:51:02 < ohsix> not isomorphic, uhh
2017-04-11T06:51:12 < ohsix> that thing where you have one set that entirely maps to another set
2017-04-11T06:51:28 < aandrew> unambiguous yes
2017-04-11T06:51:49 < ohsix> side note, there was a bunch of nerds that tried to come up with a mathematical foundation of stuff based on set theory
2017-04-11T06:52:06 < ohsix> they were kewl, a lot of stuff is much easier to understand when viewed as sets rather than abstract spaces
2017-04-11T06:53:34 < ohsix> well, the real question is, what happens when you do operations on those quaternions
2017-04-11T06:54:00 < ohsix> the way i'm thinking about it, converting to euler for orienting something, two different ones that happen to map to the same angles are the same
2017-04-11T06:54:18 < ohsix> as long as dot/cross/interpolation when you work with them dtrt
2017-04-11T06:54:32 < aandrew> yes, and when you're taking a quat and want to display an object rotated by a quat, that's pretty much what your'e doing
2017-04-11T06:54:40 < ohsix> you can have ambiguous euler angles too, where the 'approach' to that angle matters, but they refer to the same tensor
2017-04-11T06:54:47 < aandrew> interestingly, wolfram alpha will give you a rotated "R" given a quat input
2017-04-11T06:55:04 < aandrew> yes, which is why people avoid eulers
2017-04-11T06:55:24 < ohsix> well, not that, but right
2017-04-11T06:55:37 < ohsix> once you do the 2pi dance or whatever, shit breaks
2017-04-11T06:56:50 < ohsix> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/business/united-flight-passenger-dragged.html
2017-04-11T06:57:07 < aandrew> ohsix: hm?
2017-04-11T06:57:11 < aandrew> once you do the 2pi dance, shit breaks
2017-04-11T07:01:22 < aandrew> what do you mean by that?
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2017-04-11T07:02:12 < ohsix> pi/2?
2017-04-11T07:02:23 < ohsix> the gimbal lock, where at 180 degrees shit explodes
2017-04-11T07:02:49 < ohsix> trying to be cool
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2017-04-11T07:03:34 < ohsix> http://embots.dfki.de/doc/seminar_ca/Kremer_Quaternions.pdf
2017-04-11T07:03:44 < aandrew> ohsix: oh I thought you meant that when translatiing a quat to a visual representation of a rotated object shit was breaking
2017-04-11T07:04:32 < ohsix> oh no in radians
2017-04-11T07:04:37 < ohsix> aandrew: oh, nah
2017-04-11T07:05:25 < ohsix> so if you have 2 quats that are different, but when you get eulers from them, they're the same, what's the problem?
2017-04-11T07:07:12 < aandrew> just trying to debug a case where I am getting an odd flip in the visualization
2017-04-11T07:07:24 < aandrew> and trying to see if it's becasue we're not using the quat data correctly
2017-04-11T07:08:34 < ohsix> ah
2017-04-11T07:08:59 < aandrew> that slerp thing though, that is interesting
2017-04-11T07:09:16 < ohsix> i thought that was the way you rotate them
2017-04-11T07:09:29 < aandrew> as we rotate I wonder if we should be interpolating between the quats instead of just using the data "raw" as it were
2017-04-11T07:10:01 < ohsix> anything you dot or cross should be a quat, i think
2017-04-11T07:10:08 < ohsix> or whatever it's called for quaternions
2017-04-11T07:10:29 < ohsix> i don't even know how you'd do it another way huhu
2017-04-11T07:10:47 < ohsix> modify rotation matrix then convert to quat? but that's similar enough to euler angles
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2017-04-11T07:15:25 < ohsix> i would start hacking at stuff in processing
2017-04-11T07:15:42 < ohsix> processing is like a big fancy calculator
2017-04-11T07:15:56 < ohsix> bbl
2017-04-11T07:16:57 < ohsix> You can visualize unit quaternions as a rotation in 4D space where the (x,y,z) components form the arbitrary axis and the w forms the angle of rotation. All the unit quaternions form a sphere of unit length in the 4D space. Again, this is not very intuitive but what I'm getting at is that you can get a 180 degree rotation of a quaternion by simply inverting the scalar (w) component.
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2017-04-11T07:19:29 < aandrew> right...ish
2017-04-11T07:19:41 < aandrew> (meaning I'm having trouble, not that what you've said is off)
2017-04-11T07:20:55 < aandrew> but go the other way, if I have (just an example) w=0.1, x=0.2, y=0.3, z=0.4 and that represents an orientation, is it possible to have a small change in that orientation give me a quat that is VERY different from that one specified
2017-04-11T07:31:36 < dongs> amped up advice is the best kinda advice
2017-04-11T07:31:58 < dongs> just a notch above blind leading hte blind
2017-04-11T07:37:18 < ReadError> ohsix is amped up now?
2017-04-11T07:37:50 < dongs> download knowledge.exe
2017-04-11T07:38:02 < ReadError> will it work under wine ?
2017-04-11T07:38:13 < dongs> powered by google AMP
2017-04-11T07:38:36 < ReadError> hmm well if its not GNU i dont want to have anything to do with it
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2017-04-11T08:05:17 < englishman> aandrew: Steffanx: http://i.imgur.com/1Q0TIv9.png
2017-04-11T08:10:25 < englishman> sup r2cy
2017-04-11T08:11:04 < englishman> i found the turkey hideout http://i.imgur.com/bKgm8c1.jpg
2017-04-11T08:12:37 < englishman> why do dangerous stuff if you are not constantly in danger?
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2017-04-11T08:13:35 < upgrdman> R2COM, just look at it
2017-04-11T08:13:43 < upgrdman> worn the fuck out shit looks worn the fuck out
2017-04-11T08:13:54 < upgrdman> if it looks virgin-ish, should be fine
2017-04-11T08:14:19 < upgrdman> ya but each time its fired the brass deforms on the outside too
2017-04-11T08:14:36 < englishman> dont care, reloading whatever
2017-04-11T08:14:46 < englishman> quickly check cases for cracks, thats it
2017-04-11T08:14:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol fine
2017-04-11T08:14:51 < englishman> its only 223 man
2017-04-11T08:15:06 < upgrdman> R2COM, see. same fucking advise, you dumb cunt
2017-04-11T08:15:30 < englishman> yeah i know ar15 is fragile american crap
2017-04-11T08:15:34 < englishman> hamburger gun
2017-04-11T08:15:49 < englishman> you might break your $2500 toy
2017-04-11T08:16:11 < englishman> better yet dont shoot it at all
2017-04-11T08:16:14 < englishman> then it wont break
2017-04-11T08:16:57 < upgrdman> R2COM, you could even but one of those faggot brass catch condoms that will keep your virigin brass from touching dirt
2017-04-11T08:17:05 < englishman> make sure to mark every cartridge with your name and address so you can be sure youre picking up only your own shells
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2017-04-11T08:19:31 < englishman> i dono about brass, but definitely loading and chamber
2017-04-11T08:19:48 < englishman> dont think itl matter for beginning reloading
2017-04-11T08:21:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, are you fucking dumb
2017-04-11T08:21:26 < upgrdman> thats part of how ranges make money
2017-04-11T08:21:31 < upgrdman> selling brass
2017-04-11T08:21:34 < upgrdman> and
2017-04-11T08:21:38 < upgrdman> recovering lead
2017-04-11T08:22:05 < englishman> yeah this 223 i bought is from a police range
2017-04-11T08:22:13 < englishman> so some poor traffic cop is in there picking it up
2017-04-11T08:22:13 < upgrdman> you also cant be certain that you wont get run over by a bus while you walk
2017-04-11T08:22:18 < englishman> to make side money
2017-04-11T08:22:58 < upgrdman> R2COM, so if you're so worried, dont buy used brass and dont reload any brass that you didnt shoot.
2017-04-11T08:23:05 < upgrdman> why ask anything if youre so worried.
2017-04-11T08:23:07 < englishman> welcome to reloadding
2017-04-11T08:23:27 < englishman> typically when i skydive, i bring a chute
2017-04-11T08:23:32 < englishman> but sometimes i like to mix it up a bit
2017-04-11T08:24:17 < upgrdman> R2COM, but youre so worried. would englishbro's comments have swayed you?
2017-04-11T08:25:08 < upgrdman> like if you saw    <englishman> no man, that's just a liberal conspiracy. reload something 100 times, it'll be fine.              would you have changed your mind?
2017-04-11T08:25:34 < englishman> true tho
2017-04-11T08:28:29 < upgrdman> "prove us wrong. lolumad"
2017-04-11T08:29:05 < englishman> r2bro im going to get one of these http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm
2017-04-11T08:29:36 < englishman> you cant use it in usa without special certs and shit i dont even know but here i can use it to hunt squirrel
2017-04-11T08:29:55 < upgrdman> i like the face that guy makes when posing with his penis compensator rifle
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2017-04-11T08:33:20 < englishman> upgrdman is jealous my penis compensator is bigger than his penis compensator
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2017-04-11T08:34:59 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-11T08:36:16 < upgrdman> phx is fucking hot in the summer
2017-04-11T08:36:17 < upgrdman> fuck that
2017-04-11T08:36:25 < upgrdman> visit, sure. live there... fuck no
2017-04-11T08:36:55 < upgrdman> weather is something you have to experience 24/7/365... might as well live somewhere that enjoyable
2017-04-11T08:37:40 < upgrdman> its kinda nice to enjoy a meal outside
2017-04-11T08:38:07 < upgrdman> ac is nice and all, but if you need it to enjoy life, that kinda sucks
2017-04-11T08:39:19 < upgrdman> lol. so you have to schedule your life around the weather. exactly
2017-04-11T08:39:38 < upgrdman> you just admitted that you GOD DAMN FAGGOT
2017-04-11T08:40:36 < upgrdman> have been cn'd in like 8 months or so
2017-04-11T08:40:39 < upgrdman> have NOT
2017-04-11T08:40:55 < upgrdman> and that EXACTLY why i now value weather
2017-04-11T08:41:09 < upgrdman> because the weather in so cal makes ~everywhere else seem like shit
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2017-04-11T09:46:04 < aandrew> blerf
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2017-04-11T10:09:33 < aandrew> dongs: who ships overnight to this area of thw orld? I need copper tape in a bad way
2017-04-11T10:10:19 < dongs> fedex IP will certainly overnight
2017-04-11T10:10:24 < dongs> what kinda shit? chiangirl can send something from shitzen
2017-04-11T10:10:28 < dongs> you cant find locally?
2017-04-11T10:11:10 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10561 this ?
2017-04-11T10:11:58 < aandrew> yeah something like that, probably much wider though
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2017-04-11T10:12:05 < dongs> well that was jsu first gfoogle hit
2017-04-11T10:12:08 < dongs> lemme axe my taiwan pal
2017-04-11T10:12:09 < aandrew> sure
2017-04-11T10:12:11 < dongs> where this kinda shit is local
2017-04-11T10:12:35 < aandrew> I know I can get it from digikey but they say it MIGHT make it overnight but no guarantees because of customs so I'm trying to find locally if possible
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2017-04-11T10:14:53 < dongs> aandrew: pal says you should hit up https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%E5%85%89%E8%8F%AF%E5%95%86%E5%A0%B4 with some local
2017-04-11T10:15:00 < dongs> if you wanan just go and pick some up
2017-04-11T10:15:33 < aandrew> excellent, that is exactly the place someone here just mentioned
2017-04-11T10:15:43 < aandrew> like almost hte same minute you did
2017-04-11T10:15:47 < aandrew> thank you very much
2017-04-11T10:15:47 < dongs> cool
2017-04-11T10:17:13 < dongs> anywhere
2017-04-11T10:17:45 < dongs> i donno you gotta be specific
2017-04-11T10:17:48 < dongs> whats a "lightinig led"
2017-04-11T10:18:05 < dongs> lightNIG led
2017-04-11T10:18:32 < dongs> thats kinda small
2017-04-11T10:18:36 < dongs> and high power wtf
2017-04-11T10:18:41 < dongs> so the price looks appropriate
2017-04-11T10:18:45 < dongs> thats a 3030 package?? wtf
2017-04-11T10:18:46 < dongs> 3x3mm
2017-04-11T10:19:21 < dongs> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/140-150lm-3V-6V-150mA-2_60617742008.html tharr u go
2017-04-11T10:19:45 < dongs> keywords: 3030, 150mA led
2017-04-11T10:19:48 < dongs> just knock yourself out
2017-04-11T10:20:27 < dongs> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/3V-6V-9V-18V-27V-36V_60610483022.html etc
2017-04-11T10:20:47 < dongs> cloner paradise
2017-04-11T10:21:20 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/totally_not_scam/1758868_32347740879.html
2017-04-11T10:22:11 < dongs> certainly
2017-04-11T10:22:15 < dongs> youre nto gonna buy ASSRAM  in there
2017-04-11T10:22:21 < dongs> Right lol.
2017-04-11T10:22:30 < dongs> FUXING WANG or somethin
2017-04-11T10:23:51 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-11T10:23:52 < dongs> there you go
2017-04-11T10:24:10 < dongs> aandrew: or if you dont wanna go out
2017-04-11T10:24:11 < dongs> http://24h.m.pchome.com.tw/prod/DEAC6H-A9006UOW6
2017-04-11T10:24:17 < dongs> order this and you'll get by tomrorwo
2017-04-11T10:26:01 < dongs> < R2COM> dongs where can i get bright lightning LEds for cheap
2017-04-11T10:26:12 < dongs> you get them cheap by buying a reel
2017-04-11T10:26:26 < dongs> dingbo
2017-04-11T10:26:28 < dongs> yes
2017-04-11T10:26:37 < dongs> sounds about right, i think RGB shit I buy is around 25-30/reel
2017-04-11T10:26:38 < dongs> of 1k tho
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2017-04-11T10:29:28 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-11T10:29:36 < dongs> realtime chats with chinks is great
2017-04-11T10:32:27 < dongs> aandrew: if you drive to the place, you can pickup today (duh). if you order that pchome thing, probly tomrorw noon around
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2017-04-11T10:35:44 < aandrew> awesome
2017-04-11T10:35:45 < aandrew> thank you
2017-04-11T10:35:58 < aandrew> australasia? it's two continents
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2017-04-11T10:58:35 < jadew> the gcc error messages... ffs
2017-04-11T10:58:41 < jadew> fucking yoda talk
2017-04-11T10:59:55 < jadew> not to mention they're missing the point
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2017-04-11T11:00:06 < dongs> why use gcc it sucks so bad
2017-04-11T11:00:16 < jadew> I'm making a linux program
2017-04-11T11:00:24 < dongs> there's your first mistake
2017-04-11T11:01:11 < jadew> it was complaining that "expecting template name before '<' token" - meaning that the specified class name was not a template (they couldn't say that)
2017-04-11T11:01:17 < jadew> but that was beside the point anyway
2017-04-11T11:01:31 < jadew> because that name was not available in the current scope to begin with
2017-04-11T11:02:00 < jadew> and if it would have been, it would have obviously been an acceptable template
2017-04-11T11:02:16 < jadew> instead, with that shitty error it sends you on a goose chase
2017-04-11T11:02:33 < jadew> cuz your class definition is fine, but the compiler is complaining that it isn't
2017-04-11T11:03:06 < jadew> the proper error should have been "Wahtever does not name a type"
2017-04-11T11:04:13 < PaulFertser> clang++ works for building "linux" programs too.
2017-04-11T11:04:25 < jadew> I never tried it
2017-04-11T11:07:42 < PaulFertser> It's mostly working out of the box, with exactly the same options.
2017-04-11T11:09:38 < Steffanx> Same for clang on windows?
2017-04-11T11:12:34 < PaulFertser> tbh, no idea, I know msys2 on windows is using gcc toolchain by default and it works nicely for building native windows applications.
2017-04-11T11:14:19 < PaulFertser> Looks like it should work, yes.
2017-04-11T11:20:15 < Steffanx> I just installed clang/llvm on windows because platformio wanted me to, but didnt try anything with it.
2017-04-11T11:20:40 < dongs> why would you install shit from ampsix
2017-04-11T11:20:49 < Steffanx> Already gave up on that tool though
2017-04-11T11:21:20 < Steffanx> Explain to me: why amp?
2017-04-11T11:21:41 < dongs> google AMP
2017-04-11T11:21:44 < dongs> as unwanted as ohsix chats
2017-04-11T11:22:26 < Steffanx> ##stm32 ware: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/meet-the-2m-iceaddicted-python-who-had-to-dry-out-in-a-prison-rehab-program/news-story/16c9f2ba6b399983037b66bf95ffd9a2
2017-04-11T11:23:49 < Steffanx> Accelerated mobile pages?
2017-04-11T11:24:10 < dongs> yes
2017-04-11T11:24:25 < dongs> http://productforums.google.com/d/topic/webmasters/8ogdv04Cm-k you can check out this 800+ posts thread
2017-04-11T11:24:28 < dongs> on why its bad
2017-04-11T11:25:47 < Steffanx> Oh LOL. I just had that issue when i googled for an english source of that meth python
2017-04-11T11:25:54 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-11T11:26:02 < dongs> and i bet you got a amp.google.com link
2017-04-11T11:26:14 < dongs> and you cant copy the url
2017-04-11T11:26:21 < dongs> i think they made it now you have to click somewehre to get link
2017-04-11T11:26:31 < dongs> basically loading same fucking page twice
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2017-04-11T11:29:36 < Steffanx> No, just press the (-). Thingie popups up, hold/press url, and copy url.
2017-04-11T11:29:46 < Steffanx> Easy.
2017-04-11T11:29:56 < dongs> dont know. ive not cilcked on any amp page in forever and not planning to
2017-04-11T11:30:12 < dongs> if I see something I am looking for returning as amp result, I goto settings_.show desktop site and follow from there
2017-04-11T11:34:48 < Steffanx> kakimir: my tracking app just told me the great news.
2017-04-11T11:35:02 < dongs>  did you send a box of aids to kikemir
2017-04-11T11:39:43 < dongs> Safe search blocked results for cocks.Turn off: [ Temporarily ] [ Permanently ]
2017-04-11T11:39:50 < dongs> thanks, duckduckgo
2017-04-11T11:40:44 < dongs> what the hell
2017-04-11T11:40:46 < dongs> if i turn it off
2017-04-11T11:40:48 < dongs> and saerch for cocks
2017-04-11T11:40:53 < dongs> it gives NO RESULTS at all
2017-04-11T11:41:01 < dongs> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cocks&ia=web
2017-04-11T11:41:02 < dongs> wtf???
2017-04-11T11:41:40 < zyp> I've heard bing is the best choice if you're looking for cocks
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2017-04-11T11:57:52 < Steffanx> Yes, waffles dongs.
2017-04-11T12:10:16 < aandrew> oh man
2017-04-11T12:10:19 < aandrew> forgot to share with you guys
2017-04-11T12:10:33 < aandrew> so my Rogers iphone is roaming in taiwan
2017-04-11T12:10:41 < aandrew> the carrier is 5 chinese characters
2017-04-11T12:10:48 < aandrew> I took a pic of the screen and fed it to google translate
2017-04-11T12:10:57 < aandrew> guess what the carrier name translates as?
2017-04-11T12:11:02 < aandrew> "Taiwan Big Brother"
2017-04-11T12:11:03 < aandrew> LOL
2017-04-11T12:12:44 < Steffanx> :)
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2017-04-11T12:31:41 < Steffanx> Welcome
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2017-04-11T12:38:56 < kakimir> eatting stroopwaffles
2017-04-11T12:39:25 < kakimir> I think I caught accute form of diabetes
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2017-04-11T12:41:07 < kakimir> these are really yammy
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2017-04-11T12:44:55 < Steffanx> Do you want fake internet points? Microwave it and seperate the two slices without breaking it.
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2017-04-11T12:48:40 < dongs> readstoner: where is that german thermapp thing
2017-04-11T12:48:43 < dongs> that has like 9000 options
2017-04-11T12:49:03 < dongs> or was that only for dick thermal
2017-04-11T12:58:21 < ReadError> its JoesThermal
2017-04-11T12:58:23 < ReadError> something
2017-04-11T12:59:13 < ReadError> http://joe-c.de/pages/posts/programm_thermovision_joe-c_184.php#Download
2017-04-11T13:00:32 < dongs> does that do thermapp?
2017-04-11T13:00:37 < dongs> the whole fucking thing is in german lulz
2017-04-11T13:00:39 < dongs> cant_read
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2017-04-11T13:01:34 < ReadError> oh the app is multi lang
2017-04-11T13:01:40 < ReadError> check some random eevblogpost
2017-04-11T13:01:42 < dongs> but the blog isnt?
2017-04-11T13:01:51 < ReadError> its mostly on eevblog
2017-04-11T13:03:39 < dongs> nice, cretin update has more highdpi stuff
2017-04-11T13:03:46 < dongs> upgrdman: you can finally run your java trash properly
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2017-04-11T13:05:33 < PeterM_obile> today i bought my first vape shit. Not because i intend to vape but its a cheap and easy way of getting tiny, powerful lipos
2017-04-11T13:05:41 < dongs> haha
2017-04-11T13:05:45 < zyp> haha
2017-04-11T13:05:50 < dongs> welcome to subohming life
2017-04-11T13:06:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTPfvtlaotQ so amaze
2017-04-11T13:06:42 < dongs> i hope everyone upgraded by now
2017-04-11T13:11:49 < PeterM_obile> i mean the cheapo disposeable ecigs, they have the super thin long round lipos, about 300mah, probably 10c rated
2017-04-11T13:12:29 < PeterM_obile> I bough a pack of 5 for $3 so i could swap out the batt in my bluetooth headset
2017-04-11T13:12:33 < karlp> wat
2017-04-11T13:12:38 < karlp> 5 for $3?!
2017-04-11T13:12:44 < Steffanx> Such innovations.
2017-04-11T13:12:53 < karlp> I don't think I'v eseen disposable ecigs here (yet?)
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2017-04-11T13:14:53 < PeterM_obile> karlp yeah super cheap i was like fuck man buying the lipos alone is like $3 each
2017-04-11T13:16:44 < karlp> were they usefull in the case though, or soldered in and heaps of work gettting them out?
2017-04-11T13:16:47 < aandrew> I dunno man
2017-04-11T13:16:49 < PeterM_obile> These seem to contain the model P08570D lipo, which there is a datasheet for oddly enough
2017-04-11T13:17:02 < aandrew> I would not trust supercheap ecig lipos and put them in/behind my ear
2017-04-11T13:17:27 < PeterM_obile> Super easy to get out, pop the cap off, push through with the flat end  of a pen
2017-04-11T13:19:33 < Steffanx> Here they are like 5-10 euro each :s
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2017-04-11T14:29:08 < Steffanx> Uhm hi Crazy Radio Transmitter.
2017-04-11T14:29:24 < Peter_M_obile> oi crt
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2017-04-11T14:48:16 < Steffanx> Coffee crt?
2017-04-11T14:48:37 < Steffanx> Yes.
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2017-04-11T15:37:42 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_X7mMU6Gb0
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2017-04-11T15:45:35 < Laurenceb_> Blame it on the German Immigrants and German descendants in the US. They are his support base. They share his views and values. This is European history repeating itself - State side. If Drumpf is going to blame mexicans and muslims, we ought to be able to blame Germans for Trump
2017-04-11T15:46:12 < Laurenceb_> le epin copypasta
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2017-04-11T16:01:11 < karlp> hrm, led lights up normally in bootloader. only super dim in main app. wat did I do dumb?
2017-04-11T16:11:01 < Laurenceb_> sounds weird
2017-04-11T16:11:05 < Laurenceb_> leds off gpio?
2017-04-11T16:15:51 < jadew> karlp, what does the oscilloscope says?
2017-04-11T16:16:02 < jadew> says or say?
2017-04-11T16:16:10 < jadew> say
2017-04-11T16:16:47 < jadew> maybe it's an issue due to different clock speeds
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2017-04-11T16:25:23 < prochatter> 💰 hey chatstars 💉
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2017-04-11T16:29:53 < Steffanx> Lets see how pro you are :P
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2017-04-11T16:31:17 < dongcopter> 💰 greetings friends 💉
2017-04-11T16:31:31 < dongcopter> 💰 ok im done 💉
2017-04-11T16:33:08 < Steffanx> :P
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2017-04-11T16:56:48 < englishman> lol, Migratory Bird Scaring Program
2017-04-11T16:56:50 < englishman> is a thing
2017-04-11T16:57:09 < englishman> Scaring activities will occur from late April to late May
2017-04-11T17:00:11 < karlp> jadew: Laurenceb_ A/B lines on the rs485 shorted, and there was a short from DE to either rx or tx.  not really sure how it made that failure mode, but fixed the soldering and it's all good now.
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2017-04-11T17:42:56 < branjb> englishman they have a job in the air force where during bird season you go shooting fireworks around the air field to scare away flocks of birds
2017-04-11T17:43:26 < englishman> around an airfield that is an important job
2017-04-11T17:43:51 < branjb> yeah
2017-04-11T17:44:00 < branjb> pretty sweet gig
2017-04-11T17:44:05 < branjb> they drive golf carts too
2017-04-11T17:44:29 < branjb> >go to work, drive golf cart loaded with fireworks, shoot @ birds
2017-04-11T17:45:05 < englishman> oper8r
2017-04-11T17:45:11 < branjb> af
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2017-04-11T17:58:42 < Steffanx> Not even a huge arse gun to fire at them. Damn.
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2017-04-11T18:58:55 < uniqdom> I'm trying to program a maple clone (STM32F103). I'm using the maple ide v0.0.12 in Debian Jessie.
2017-04-11T18:59:03 < uniqdom> I'm getting "Couldn't find the DFU device: [1EAF:0003]"
2017-04-11T18:59:37 < uniqdom> but I can see it with "dmesg" and algo if I do "dfu-util -l" I see the device in the list
2017-04-11T19:00:10 < uniqdom> I have the proper rules in udev and my user is in the group dialout
2017-04-11T19:00:23 < uniqdom> do you know what could be happening?
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2017-04-11T19:20:27 < branjb> https://imgur.com/dYtgtsg lmao
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2017-04-11T19:31:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.duffelblog.com/2017/04/pentagon-awards-contract-united-airlines-forcibly-remove-assad/
2017-04-11T19:32:02 < branjb> lol
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2017-04-11T19:37:57 < Kuroko> can I use the USB peripheral on a STM32L4 when running at ~2V?
2017-04-11T19:38:45 < karlp> what does the datasheet say about it?
2017-04-11T19:40:20 < Kuroko> yeah, I was hoping a short answer, I'll have a look at the detailed USB info, then
2017-04-11T19:41:05 < Kuroko> I hate finding those kind of things in ST's datasheets
2017-04-11T19:41:22 < ReadError> Laurenceb_:
2017-04-11T19:41:28 < ReadError> 11-year-old kills himself after texting prank - CNN
2017-04-11T19:41:28 < ReadError> https://apple.news/ARwiJHjSbTRq9OTqJ_A8yjA
2017-04-11T19:41:38 < ReadError> spot the problem here
2017-04-11T19:42:07 < branjb> isn't that normally how 11 year olds break up
2017-04-11T19:42:15 < branjb> "we cant date anymore because im dead"
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2017-04-11T19:42:34 < ReadError> shhh
2017-04-11T19:54:10 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redditmedia.com/3Aqz76byR6K6HMfnWtOHJZlGG4gMuyfY1-nV0E-Ky_k.jpg?w=876&s=e9f11fda9b8d6369213ae79c8378f453
2017-04-11T19:55:16 < branjb> where'd you get that costume?
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2017-04-11T20:55:22 < Laurenceb_> channer spotted http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/pervert-spared-jail-term-possessing-12876015
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2017-04-11T21:24:05 < Rickta59> karlp: the other day you answered a question on SWO .. today someone checked in a change to BMP that lays out the steps to use it
2017-04-11T21:24:09 < Rickta59> https://github.com/mubes/blackmagic/blob/697b8b74629ac1788b92a8a506ffd7a9e2f82ae0/src/platforms/bluepill/Readme
2017-04-11T21:24:43 < Rickta59> https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/pull/198/files/61ab683d0251ac24b97bc1b42b0c0076d646ddf5..697b8b74629ac1788b92a8a506ffd7a9e2f82ae0
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2017-04-11T21:57:42 < Laurenceb_> anyone here managed to successfully set legend font in matlab?
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2017-04-11T22:14:20 < Laurenceb_> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=99e_1491934297
2017-04-11T22:14:49 < englishman> !wz london
2017-04-11T22:14:50 < dieforirc> [London, United Kingdom] Clear. Temp is 14°C. WSW wind: 20 kph. Humidity: 55%.
2017-04-11T22:15:01 < englishman> looks like good roccoon weather
2017-04-11T22:15:19 < dongcopter> 🍆 do you even chat, m8? 💊
2017-04-11T22:15:40 < dongcopter> 🍆 <-- eggplant pill ---> 💊
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2017-04-11T22:18:44 < Steffanx> !wz hah
2017-04-11T22:18:45 < dieforirc> [Hahnbach, Germany] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 9.0°C. NNW wind: 3.1 kph. Humidity: 52%.
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2017-04-11T23:06:22 < upgrdman> 9C at 52% humidity... sounds not-so-fun
2017-04-11T23:06:42  * upgrdman is sitting here in a t-shirt and shorts
2017-04-11T23:19:05 < Ultrasauce> !wz cyyg
2017-04-11T23:19:07 < dieforirc> [CYYG, Canada] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 8.1°C. NNE wind: 6.4 kph. Humidity: 76%.
2017-04-11T23:20:00 < Fleck> !wz Ventspils
2017-04-11T23:20:01 < dieforirc> [Ventspils, Latvia] Clear. Temp is 4.4°C. WSW wind: 6.9 kph. Humidity: 85%.
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2017-04-11T23:24:35 < apo> \o
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2017-04-11T23:49:42 < karlp> Rickta59: if you're still expected to be setting up ITM registers in your own code, BMP is still failing at trace
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2017-04-12T00:28:00 < karlp> Rickta59: (but that's being negative, it's good to see more trace out there)
2017-04-12T00:28:12 < karlp> (though, that swo decoding tool makes my eyes bleed)
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2017-04-12T00:34:21 < Rickta59> karlp: yeah i didn't try it or look at the code, just noticed the checkin
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2017-04-12T00:50:53 < ohsix> re	wut
2017-04-12T00:51:52 < ohsix> ReadError: wut
2017-04-12T00:52:08 < ReadError> ?
2017-04-12T00:52:21 < ohsix> soldering headers on ebay loot
2017-04-12T00:52:27 < ohsix> you tell me hilightman
2017-04-12T00:52:52 < ReadError> oh dongs said something that made no sense
2017-04-12T00:53:21 < ohsix> that isn't a rare event yo
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2017-04-12T00:58:56 < ohsix> heheh
2017-04-12T00:58:59 < ohsix> nice response
2017-04-12T00:59:49 < ReadError> `hm?
2017-04-12T01:00:04 < ohsix> if it's not gnu etc etc
2017-04-12T01:00:25 < ReadError> o yea still duno wtf he was talking about
2017-04-12T01:02:09 < ohsix> an old meme i think
2017-04-12T01:02:22 < ohsix> since he's not seen anything for a year or so now, nothing really fits
2017-04-12T01:03:09 < ohsix> back in the day someone made a joke about me just googling everything, and it got some traction
2017-04-12T01:03:21 < ohsix> it's also not too far from the truth, even when i know what i'm talking about
2017-04-12T01:03:47 < ohsix> dunno the amp stuff though, i think he thought i responded to him talking about google amp on mobile
2017-04-12T01:03:58 < ohsix> probably just from my idle time lul, could have not even been talking in here
2017-04-12T01:05:00 < ReadError> ill pray for him
2017-04-12T01:17:01 < ohsix> me2
2017-04-12T01:17:21 < ohsix> pin headers blow
2017-04-12T01:17:59 < ohsix> also i got a version of the ads1015 breakout thing where the silk is on the back
2017-04-12T01:18:10 < ohsix> so the headers are on the wrong side now
2017-04-12T01:18:24 < ohsix> got vacuum desoldering station but blaaaaah
2017-04-12T01:21:19 < ReadError> whats worng with headers?
2017-04-12T01:23:55 < ohsix> everything
2017-04-12T01:24:00 < ohsix> holding them in place, pins sliding
2017-04-12T01:24:57 < ohsix> pins sliding is BALLS
2017-04-12T01:25:18 < ohsix> even under the weight of a 1cm^2 pcb you can end up with pins at angles just from light pressure of the iron to get the heat on the shit
2017-04-12T01:27:43 < ReadError> ohsix: did you see the whitehouse pressconf?
2017-04-12T01:28:03 < ReadError> and how hard they are pushing the no ties to russia shit lol
2017-04-12T01:41:04 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRnJOZTdwYTRLY00/view?usp=sharing
2017-04-12T01:42:34 < dongcopter> 🍆 not clicking. 💊
2017-04-12T01:43:05 < aandrew> anyone here with a jlink on an arm?
2017-04-12T01:43:21 < aandrew> I can't use wreg to set a register name, it always says invalid register name and lists the registers
2017-04-12T01:43:28 < aandrew> trying to set R15 or PC to 0x12345678
2017-04-12T01:43:37 < aandrew> wreg R15, 0x12345678 bzzt
2017-04-12T01:43:41 < aandrew> wreg PC, 0x12345678 bzzt
2017-04-12T01:43:48 < aandrew> wreg R15 0x12345678 bzzt
2017-04-12T01:43:53 < aandrew> wreg R15 12345678 bzzt
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2017-04-12T01:46:05 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/20ad4d76fe/11469.png
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2017-04-12T01:53:53 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeTZNUmp1dGhCOVU/view?usp=sharing steering of my ice rocket
2017-04-12T01:54:30 < kakimir> at this part I feel a bit like going back to childhood downhill car projects and shit
2017-04-12T01:56:59 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKX2VMYWZ5SVBvUmM/view?usp=sharing steering column
2017-04-12T01:58:03 < kakimir> I need to concider using ball joints and rods
2017-04-12T01:58:12 < kakimir> plastic rope is sucky
2017-04-12T02:01:16 < kakimir> whhat is stm32?
2017-04-12T02:02:01 < ohsix> some letters and some numbers
2017-04-12T02:02:15 < kakimir> what is ohsix?
2017-04-12T02:10:16 < kakimir> what is sensitive DC coil in mini relay?
2017-04-12T02:10:23 < kakimir> instead of just DC
2017-04-12T02:10:44 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgflip.com/1n38zx.jpg
2017-04-12T02:40:12 < ohsix> for a second there i considered clicking on Laurenceb_'s link in public
2017-04-12T02:40:15 < ohsix> phew
2017-04-12T02:40:45 < Laurenceb_> lelz
2017-04-12T02:41:10 < Laurenceb_> it's a special message for /r/The_Donald
2017-04-12T02:41:39 < Laurenceb_> ur face when all ur memes were made by a black guy
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2017-04-12T02:49:11 < englishman> 'Even Hitler didn't sink to using chemical weapons'
2017-04-12T02:49:13 < englishman> rofl
2017-04-12T02:50:58 < Laurenceb_> le epin trawl
2017-04-12T02:51:12 < Laurenceb_> technically correct
2017-04-12T02:51:34 < Laurenceb_> but based Assad literally did nothing wrong
2017-04-12T02:52:42 < englishman> yeah totally didnt gas any jews
2017-04-12T02:52:46 < Laurenceb_> http://funnypictures4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Good+luck+assad+_d0bb6ee11f4b8847ce209b8d200f650c.jpg
2017-04-12T02:53:25 < englishman> or start any massive chemical weapons companies
2017-04-12T02:53:27 < englishman> like bayer
2017-04-12T02:54:45 < Laurenceb_> even Bayer didn't sink to gassing the jews
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2017-04-12T03:03:19 < ohsix> some of the trolling is getting pretty good
2017-04-12T03:03:22 < ohsix> and impersonal
2017-04-12T03:03:36 < ohsix> there's just too much shit going on
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2017-04-12T03:17:12 < dongs> aandrew: did youend up getting copper foil
2017-04-12T03:23:30 < aandrew> dongs: I'll find out in about 30m
2017-04-12T03:23:37 < aandrew> apparnetly they went to that market to get it
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2017-04-12T04:31:03 < aandrew> yes we have awesome copper foil now, about 5cm wide
2017-04-12T04:31:14 < aandrew> crt: just some shielding
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2017-04-12T05:52:02 < aandrew> yay (/s), I'm in Taiwan until Saturday now
2017-04-12T06:04:35 < ReadError> you just wanted to fly hello kitty didn't you
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2017-04-12T06:16:39 < aandrew> lol
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2017-04-12T06:28:34 < aandrew> yeah I read that today
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2017-04-12T07:35:28 < englishman> proof terrorists use arduino http://i.imgur.com/CsRQB2J.jpg
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2017-04-12T07:37:25 < englishman> looks like isis to me
2017-04-12T07:37:57 < englishman> heh
2017-04-12T07:38:15 < englishman> even in the virtual world they are cloning arduino
2017-04-12T07:38:50 < englishman> r2com today i loaded some 223 Rem 55gr Hornady SP Can IMR3031 21.6gr 2.200"COL
2017-04-12T07:40:28 < englishman> cartridge overall length
2017-04-12T07:40:54 < englishman> softpoint
2017-04-12T07:41:07 < englishman> yes milk
2017-04-12T07:41:28 < englishman> some cheap stuff to pew pew
2017-04-12T07:42:07 < englishman> cool
2017-04-12T07:42:20 < englishman> meh
2017-04-12T07:42:31 < englishman> theres so much other info now
2017-04-12T07:42:35 < englishman> its not 1960 anymore
2017-04-12T07:42:46 < englishman> i learned there is a 1400y range near me
2017-04-12T07:43:36 < englishman> gets you 4" closer
2017-04-12T07:43:53 < englishman> yeah ive used that some
2017-04-12T07:44:08 < englishman> hodgdon owns IMR now too
2017-04-12T07:44:22 < englishman> just like CY will soon be sold to Renesas
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2017-04-12T07:44:37 < englishman> so you can get IMR data on that site
2017-04-12T07:44:54 < englishman> but they have limited bullet choices
2017-04-12T07:45:30 < englishman> no
2017-04-12T07:45:40 < englishman> they are very different
2017-04-12T07:46:13 < englishman> find that out, and win a billion dollars, maybe a trillion
2017-04-12T07:46:42 < englishman> arent you an engineer
2017-04-12T07:46:54 < englishman> you have not presented your credentials, so we dont know
2017-04-12T07:46:58 < englishman> dont you know
2017-04-12T07:47:03 < englishman> there is no perfect solution
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2017-04-12T07:51:14 < englishman> spin spin the black circle
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2017-04-12T07:52:42 < ohsix> sup
2017-04-12T07:53:22 < ohsix> englishman: pretty solid, but the wires are on the icsp connector
2017-04-12T07:53:41 < englishman> the 8pin icsp connector?
2017-04-12T07:53:55 < ohsix> the 40 pin icsp connector
2017-04-12T07:54:01 < ohsix> but yea, it's not 8 pins either
2017-04-12T07:54:07 < ohsix> it's just in the right place
2017-04-12T07:54:17 < ohsix> wifi adapter in it too wat
2017-04-12T07:55:40 < ohsix> classy tho
2017-04-12T07:56:08 < englishman> well 3031 is right in the middle of speed
2017-04-12T07:56:36 < ohsix> using the uno for that is a waste
2017-04-12T07:57:20 < englishman> varget is popular yea
2017-04-12T07:59:19 < englishman> its a much faster powder
2017-04-12T07:59:26 < englishman> probably cheap and available
2017-04-12T07:59:42 < ohsix> ReadError: nah @ press conf, or more accurately, which one; there's so much garbage
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2017-04-12T08:01:39 < englishman> yeah no
2017-04-12T08:01:40 < englishman> but
2017-04-12T08:02:02 < englishman> varget looks difficult for light boolit slike 55gr
2017-04-12T08:02:10 < englishman> dono
2017-04-12T08:02:14 < englishman> invent some guns
2017-04-12T08:02:31 < ohsix> where do you get to shoot
2017-04-12T08:02:50 < ohsix> (englishman)
2017-04-12T08:02:57 < englishman> ballistics research is older than semiconductor research by 500 years, and they still dont have it down
2017-04-12T08:03:09 < ohsix> newton man
2017-04-12T08:03:10 < ohsix> heh
2017-04-12T08:03:13 < englishman> my back yard ohsix
2017-04-12T08:03:21 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-12T08:03:22 < ohsix> wat state
2017-04-12T08:03:28 < englishman> yea right
2017-04-12T08:04:34 < englishman> liquid state
2017-04-12T08:05:31 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporific_effect lul
2017-04-12T08:06:32 < ohsix> i kind of ended up designing a triangulating impact target thing
2017-04-12T08:06:39 < ohsix> do you actually shoot stuff
2017-04-12T08:07:25 < ohsix> when i actually sit down and write the code it'll work, too!
2017-04-12T08:11:00 < dongs> < englishman> proof terrorists use arduino http://i.imgur.com/CsRQB2J.jpg
2017-04-12T08:11:04 < dongs> fucking lol'd
2017-04-12T08:11:17 < ohsix> you can find real ied pictures with stuff on them
2017-04-12T08:11:36 < ohsix> lolol 'arduino ied', cf ide
2017-04-12T08:12:27 < ohsix> there is a dearth of results for 'arduino using terrorists'
2017-04-12T08:12:33 < ohsix> i bet you could stir some great shit
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2017-04-12T08:14:29 < ohsix> the only arduino terrorist seems to be the 3d printed gun guy
2017-04-12T08:23:56 < ohsix> ali keeps spamming this projector on a pole that looks like a record player https://www.aliexpress.com/item/XGIMI-Z4-Aurora-Screenless-TV-LED-Home-3D-Projector-with-Harman-Kardon-Customized-Stereo-Gesture-Control/32794231319.html
2017-04-12T08:24:24 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRsXpQchmk0 wat
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2017-04-12T08:31:42 < dongs> blogging it the fuck up
2017-04-12T08:32:13 < dongs> so i was gonna put a new ssd into wifecop pc and realized it didnt even have a M2 slot
2017-04-12T08:32:27 < dongs> now looking into upgrading it, seems like so fucking much work
2017-04-12T08:32:43 < dongs> fuck off.
2017-04-12T08:33:26 < englishman> wow it must be at least 6months old to not have m2
2017-04-12T08:33:31 < dongs> englishman: 2013
2017-04-12T08:33:37 < englishman> how can you let wifecop live in squalor like that
2017-04-12T08:33:46 < dongs> ive bridge or someshit or maybe sandy
2017-04-12T08:33:51 < dongs> some ancient i3
2017-04-12T08:33:54 < ohsix> lulwut https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RGB-Colorful-LED-Fiber-Optic-Bundle-60pcs-3-0-75mm-3m-Curtain-Cable-with-IR-remote/32443450790.html
2017-04-12T08:34:04 < englishman> might as well buy some shitty ryzen
2017-04-12T08:34:10 < englishman> if you hate her so much
2017-04-12T08:34:17 < dongs> yaeh no
2017-04-12T08:35:08 < aandrew> why is granddad holding a fiber optic bundle?
2017-04-12T08:35:15 < ohsix> no idea
2017-04-12T08:35:28 < ohsix> it's very strange for ebay/ali tho
2017-04-12T08:35:34 < dongs> is that a tencent jojke
2017-04-12T08:35:35 < dongs> joke, too
2017-04-12T08:35:59 < aandrew> I'm in tencent's .tw office
2017-04-12T08:36:09 < ohsix> looks like there are some other listings with kids and stuff too
2017-04-12T08:36:37 < englishman> !wz taipei
2017-04-12T08:36:38 < dieforirc> [Taipei, Taiwan] Light Rain. Temp is 18°C. East wind: 22 kph. Humidity: 83%.
2017-04-12T08:37:59 < ohsix> !wz timbuktu
2017-04-12T08:38:00 < dieforirc> [Timbuktu, Mali] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 26°C. Humidity: 74%.
2017-04-12T08:38:31 < ohsix> i want one of those fiber bundle lenses, they're $$
2017-04-12T08:38:40 < ohsix> might be cheaper to make my own
2017-04-12T08:39:14 < dongs> maybe Ill get a NUC
2017-04-12T08:39:23 < dongs> see if I can use these extra DDR4 SODIMMs i have
2017-04-12T08:42:28 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/HJWI8
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2017-04-12T08:44:43 < ohsix> handjob wisconsin
2017-04-12T08:44:57 < ohsix> tencent sounds familiar, don't they make mobile games or something
2017-04-12T08:45:01 < ohsix> instant messenger?
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2017-04-12T09:06:52 < zyp> couple of amps, probably
2017-04-12T09:07:50 < zyp> isn't that the point of leds?
2017-04-12T09:08:08 < ohsix> where we're going, we won't need leds
2017-04-12T09:08:57 < zyp> well, consider that traditional headlights are like 60W
2017-04-12T09:09:03 < zyp> at 12V that's 5A
2017-04-12T09:09:16 < zyp> brake lights are not as bright as headlights, so naturally they'll draw less
2017-04-12T09:09:34 < zyp> and that's before leds enter the equation
2017-04-12T09:11:20 < ohsix> i've got some car led refit things, they're cool
2017-04-12T09:11:28 < ohsix> someone gave me a set cuz they were malfunctioning
2017-04-12T09:11:42 < ohsix> put one in a 50cc scooter and it's blinding
2017-04-12T09:12:42 < zyp> I wonder how many watts the headlights in my car are
2017-04-12T09:12:45 < zyp> they're all led
2017-04-12T09:12:56 < ohsix> probably 30
2017-04-12T09:13:11 < ohsix> hm
2017-04-12T09:13:14 < emeb_mac> looking at specs for an incandescent  brake light bulb - rated at 12V 1.75A
2017-04-12T09:13:26 < ohsix> wait no it's way more than that, my bench supply is 150w
2017-04-12T09:14:00 < ohsix> one of the regulators would current trip it, but i think that was the broken one, and i otherwise didn't measure
2017-04-12T09:14:51 < zyp> emeb_mac, i.e. 21W, sounds about what I expected
2017-04-12T09:15:08 < ohsix> i found out what ones i had for someone else the other day
2017-04-12T09:15:23 < emeb_mac> zyp: yep. not surprising
2017-04-12T09:16:39 < aandrew> ohsix: yes, gaming
2017-04-12T09:16:42 < aandrew> at least that's what I'm here for
2017-04-12T09:16:56 < dongs> if you plan to draw over 9000 amps you can always run some huge wire over there and a relay
2017-04-12T09:17:06 < dongs> then you can hookup like 1kW torchlight to your brake signal
2017-04-12T09:17:14 < dongs> so everyoen in the hood knows youre stopping
2017-04-12T09:17:15 < emeb_mac> finally got around to hooking up a cheapo chinese optical encoder to an STM32F4 - getting 2400ppr in double-edge mode.
2017-04-12T09:17:21 < emeb_mac> seems pretty nice
2017-04-12T09:17:28 < dongs> emeb_mac: whats it spinning on?
2017-04-12T09:17:39 < emeb_mac> right now just turning by hand
2017-04-12T09:17:50 < emeb_mac> plan to use it as a tuning knob for a radio
2017-04-12T09:17:55 < dongs> ah
2017-04-12T09:18:15 < emeb_mac> but this is what timer encoder mode was made for and it seems to work well
2017-04-12T09:19:20 < ohsix> hahah someone handed a cop a shaken up pepsi
2017-04-12T09:19:22 < dongs> yes
2017-04-12T09:19:27 < ohsix> aandrew: nice
2017-04-12T09:19:30 < dongs> its optical so no bounce?
2017-04-12T09:19:41 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah - very clean
2017-04-12T09:19:44 < dongs> cool
2017-04-12T09:20:09 < emeb_mac> encoder was like $14 or so off ebay
2017-04-12T09:20:15 < dongs> yeah im using encoder mode on those standard encoder china knobs, works well
2017-04-12T09:20:24 < dongs> clicky $0.10 special
2017-04-12T09:20:56 < emeb_mac> I tried it on the mechanical ones - worked OK but seemed to generate 2 counts / detent
2017-04-12T09:21:00 < emeb_mac> was kind of annoying
2017-04-12T09:21:17 < zyp> just set it to single edge mode then
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2017-04-12T09:21:32 < emeb_mac> zyp: that was in single edge mode
2017-04-12T09:21:41 < dongs> < emeb_mac> I tried it on the mechanical ones - worked OK but seemed to generate 2 counts / detent
2017-04-12T09:21:44 < emeb_mac> and the filters didn't get rid of all the bounce.
2017-04-12T09:21:44 < dongs> er thats how it works
2017-04-12T09:21:47 < zyp> well, just shift the count by one bit
2017-04-12T09:21:49 < dongs> its not the bounce
2017-04-12T09:21:52 < zyp> yeah
2017-04-12T09:21:52 < dongs> its just how it works
2017-04-12T09:22:07 < dongs> and yeah if you wanted single just * 2 or shift
2017-04-12T09:22:15 < emeb_mac> so I just ended up doing my mechanical low-res encoders in software
2017-04-12T09:22:18 < zyp> the encoder will generate four edges per "pulse"
2017-04-12T09:22:21 < emeb_mac> works fine that way.
2017-04-12T09:22:39 < zyp> so a 60 ppr encoder will give you a resolution of 240 steps per revolution in dual edge mode
2017-04-12T09:22:45 < emeb_mac> yup
2017-04-12T09:22:58 < emeb_mac> quadrature, bitches
2017-04-12T09:23:27 < zyp> I remember buying 256 ppr encoders because I wanted 256 steps of resolution :p
2017-04-12T09:23:43 < emeb_mac> weird thing is this optical one I got was supposed to be 400ppr, but I'm getting 2400 counts /rev
2017-04-12T09:23:50 < emeb_mac> so it must actually be 600ppr
2017-04-12T09:23:58 < zyp> yeah
2017-04-12T09:24:12 < emeb_mac> china quality
2017-04-12T09:24:20 < emeb_mac> get more than you asked for. :)
2017-04-12T09:26:06 < emeb_mac> Anyone tried using STemWin?
2017-04-12T09:26:24 < emeb_mac> Been coming up to speed on that over the last few days.
2017-04-12T09:26:37 < upgrdman> kakimir is the one that bikes a lot, right?   http://imgur.com/a/Z3LMn
2017-04-12T09:26:42 < emeb_mac> Seems to be working OK, but the default skin looks like Win98
2017-04-12T09:27:00 < emeb_mac> gonna need to come up with something that looks a bit less dated.
2017-04-12T09:32:34 < ohsix> http://www.opt-7.com/fluxbeam-led-headlights/ i got distracted
2017-04-12T09:32:37 < ohsix> i've got these
2017-04-12T09:33:01 < ohsix> you can get similar ones on ali for like 12bux/ea
2017-04-12T09:33:12 < ohsix> the light off those leds is insane
2017-04-12T09:33:26 < ohsix> like, can't turn it on indoors or you're going to hurt your eyes
2017-04-12T09:34:30 < ohsix> emeb_mac: not using, but i read about it
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2017-04-12T09:34:46 < ohsix> a lot of those toolkits work a lot like windows too, classes, window procedures
2017-04-12T09:35:12 < ohsix> it sucks bad but you don't need a lot of memory
2017-04-12T09:35:31 < emeb_mac> the mechanics of using it are fine.
2017-04-12T09:35:44 < emeb_mac> I'm down with handles and callbacks etc.
2017-04-12T09:35:50 < ohsix> werd
2017-04-12T09:36:00 < ohsix> i cut my teeth on that shit, i respect it, but it's baaaad :p
2017-04-12T09:36:27 < ohsix> also frameworks that tried to hide it, afx message maps and other stuff, oof
2017-04-12T09:36:48 < emeb_mac> It's got some nice time management stuff in it
2017-04-12T09:37:07 < emeb_mac> so you can approximate timesharing without actually using an OS
2017-04-12T09:37:20 < ohsix> there aren't a lot of options on devices with low memory, and if you use hashes or something instead of integers for the messages, you just burn cpu in comparing them
2017-04-12T09:37:53 < ohsix> it's free to use on stm32 stuff right? don't remember names offhand but there are two others that are very similar but libre
2017-04-12T09:37:55 < emeb_mac> not an issue - I'm running this on an F7 w/ 320kB
2017-04-12T09:38:36 < emeb_mac> just need to figure out how the skinning works and do something that doesn't look 20yrs old
2017-04-12T09:39:00 < ohsix> more than changing the background/pen colors?
2017-04-12T09:39:20 < emeb_mac> yeah. don't need all that 3D skeumorph crud.
2017-04-12T09:39:59 < ohsix> do like the visual basic do and make things green/red/cyan
2017-04-12T09:40:09 < emeb_mac> looks like they let you swap in your own bundle of rendering routines for all the widgets
2017-04-12T09:40:28 < ohsix> i always liked that old aesthetic, visual basic had colors as a property, so people would change it to outloundish shit with very little call for it
2017-04-12T09:40:29 < emeb_mac> so would be good to make some simple flat stuff
2017-04-12T09:43:01 < ohsix> huh
2017-04-12T09:43:24 < ohsix> https://www.segger.com/downloads/emwin/UM03001_emWin5.pdf got this right?
2017-04-12T09:43:47 < ohsix> weird
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2017-04-12T09:44:29 < ohsix> skinflex wasn't in there last time i read this stuff, i think
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2017-04-12T09:46:17 < PeterM_obile> Man theres something wrong with my mobile irc
2017-04-12T09:46:24 < PeterM_obile> Its full of shit
2017-04-12T09:47:00 < ohsix> there's pre/post-paint/paint
2017-04-12T09:47:08 < ohsix> shrug
2017-04-12T09:47:36 < ohsix> this is more different than i remember, the windows clones usually keep things like wm_erasebkgrd
2017-04-12T09:47:46 < aandrew> PeterM_obile: nah, nothing wrong. just normal shitposting
2017-04-12T09:48:22 < PeterM_obile> I found it, somehow my ignorelist is empty
2017-04-12T09:48:42 < ohsix> and paint/nc paint, and some messages for when you select a different object ........ and there doesn't seem to be that in there either huhu
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2017-04-12T09:49:26 < ohsix> nice, native qr code drawing
2017-04-12T09:49:52 < ohsix> ya this is alright
2017-04-12T09:50:06 < ohsix> none of the glut of garbage i was thinking of is in there
2017-04-12T09:50:25 < emeb_mac> the version that ST is shipping is a bit older than that, but yeah - got that doc
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> haha
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> @ ignore list is empty
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> fucking jlink
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> lies
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> the PC register must be specified as "R15 (PC)" (including quotes)
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> jlink is never wrong
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> yes
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> wreg R0, 1234 no problem
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> wreg R15, 1234 BZZT
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> why the shit are you using the cli
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> wreg PC, 1234 BZZT
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> ya man
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> why are you using jlink cli
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> wreg "R15 (PC)" DING DING DING
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> what the fucking fuck.
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> dongs: because I am dicking around
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> use ozone
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> ozone rocks
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> I agree
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2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> got weird issues lately with jlink though
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> latest hangs on ubungtu
2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> on win it's ok, haven't tried osx yet
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2017-04-12T09:56:01 < aandrew> trying to flash it fucks off about a "partially erased" sector
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2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> is this even stm32 talk
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2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs>  aandrew> latest hangs on ubungtu
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2017-04-12T09:56:01 < dongs> spotted the problem
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2017-04-12T09:56:49 < aandrew> yep it's stm32
2017-04-12T09:56:53 < aandrew> stm32f207vg
2017-04-12T09:56:55 < aandrew> or zg
2017-04-12T09:56:55 < ohsix> how stm32
2017-04-12T09:56:57 < aandrew> can't remember
2017-04-12T09:57:02 < ohsix> i'll need a blood sample
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2017-04-12T09:59:05 < dongs> why is tencent putting ancient garbage into thier chinkmobile
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2017-04-12T09:59:49 < ohsix> can't bs more tonight
2017-04-12T10:00:01 < ohsix> emeb_mac: get some pictures if you do anything cool :p
2017-04-12T10:00:17 < aandrew> stm32f2 isn't for tencent
2017-04-12T10:00:20 < ohsix> i want to write some strip chart/gauges and stuff but i dunno when, if ever
2017-04-12T10:00:22 < emeb_mac> ohsix: ya sure
2017-04-12T10:02:21 < aandrew> in tencent it's a rockchip quad core
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2017-04-12T10:03:55 < dongs> cockchip
2017-04-12T10:03:58 < dongs> no wonder you need EMI tape
2017-04-12T10:04:06 < dongs> shit's probably leaking aids
2017-04-12T10:04:08 < dongs> everywehre
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2017-04-12T10:11:39 < emeb_mac> ohsix: here's the default skin with some widgets I'm working on -> https://www.dropbox.com/s/11o7hdt108gg4u1/stemwin.jpg?dl=0
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2017-04-12T10:15:13 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-12T10:15:20 < dongs> Autism mixer
2017-04-12T10:15:24 < dongs> every level must go to 11
2017-04-12T10:15:27 < ohsix> i messed with dmx and qlc tonight without knowing anything about it
2017-04-12T10:15:42 < ohsix> it was fun haha; we had a light with an incredibly cryptic/obscure ui
2017-04-12T10:15:57 < ohsix> (re: sliders and numbers, baww)
2017-04-12T10:16:06 < ohsix> out of time for stuff tonight, will clock on more tomorrow ;d
2017-04-12T10:16:20 < ohsix> emeb_mac: there's a vnc server, easier to do that junk on the host and move it over
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2017-04-12T12:06:04 < Steffanx> jadew: you still have thay oshpark silkscreen issue photo somewhere? Like to see it again to compare with mine.
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2017-04-12T12:25:29 < dongs> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/04/11/spicer-hitler-didnt-even-sink-to-using-chemical-weapons-although-he-sent-jews-to-the-holocaust-center/
2017-04-12T12:25:37 < dongs> 'muricans, so educated
2017-04-12T12:26:08 < Ultrasauce> certainly not compared to a holocaust expert such as yourself
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2017-04-12T12:48:12 < kakimir> dongs: lulworthy
2017-04-12T12:48:21 < Steffanx> jadew: dont tell me you are asleep :P
2017-04-12T12:48:31 < Steffanx> Hows the glucose lvl kakimir ?
2017-04-12T12:49:40 < kakimir> glucose fructose syrup
2017-04-12T12:50:41 < Steffanx> Question for pros: any reason why not to tent vias?
2017-04-12T12:51:21 < kakimir> price
2017-04-12T12:51:26 < zyp> maybe you want your board to look ugly
2017-04-12T12:51:37 < dongs> only jewish fabs ask $ for tenting vias wtf
2017-04-12T12:52:32 < Steffanx> Yes, it looks ugly as hell
2017-04-12T12:52:51 < zyp> if the via is in a pad on the other side, you might not want the lacquer going through the hole and out on the other side
2017-04-12T12:53:05 < Steffanx> But when price is an issue you wouldnt use a mask at all i guess
2017-04-12T12:53:12 < aandrew> Steffanx: if you want to use vias as test points/solder points, tenting makes that difficult
2017-04-12T12:53:16 < aandrew> otherwise tent them (IMO)
2017-04-12T12:53:24 < zyp> though, in my experience, it's not really a problem
2017-04-12T12:53:27 < aandrew> and yes if anyone charges you different for tenting them, go elsewhere
2017-04-12T12:53:43 < aandrew> zyp: why scratch off soldermask if you know you want to use the point?
2017-04-12T12:54:08 < aandrew> zyp: just make your vias a respectable size
2017-04-12T12:54:08 < zyp> aandrew, I didn't say anything about that argument
2017-04-12T12:54:16 < aandrew> don't drill huge holes in the board for vias
2017-04-12T12:54:24 < aandrew> I think I'm using 8mil drills?
2017-04-12T12:54:26 < zyp> but yeah, that's also one I've heard before
2017-04-12T12:54:38 < aandrew> I do via in pad all the time with no plugging or filling
2017-04-12T12:54:46 < aandrew> the hole is small enough that it's just simply not an issu
2017-04-12T12:54:46 < dongs> wat
2017-04-12T12:54:52 < aandrew> even IEC says it's fine now
2017-04-12T12:55:48 < zyp> I mostly only do it on huge pads, like thermal pads
2017-04-12T12:56:38 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/E08pl.JPG <- here's a fun one, see the via on the right side
2017-04-12T12:56:49 < zyp> I mean, the cap on the right side
2017-04-12T12:57:46 < Steffanx> Ah, indeed. A negative point for dongs fab.
2017-04-12T12:57:57 < Steffanx> Still love the silk though :)
2017-04-12T12:58:16 < zyp> haha, like it affects function at all
2017-04-12T12:58:58 < zyp> so anyway, who here knows PTP?
2017-04-12T12:59:29 < zyp> I'm curious about how it works
2017-04-12T12:59:33 < Steffanx> As in time protocol? If so.. No
2017-04-12T12:59:36 < zyp> yes
2017-04-12T13:01:33 < zyp> I know the dwc mac in stm32 has some support for it, but what exactly does that do?
2017-04-12T13:02:14 < zyp> and what are the requirements of PTP? will the nondeterministic delay of a dumb switch fuck it up?
2017-04-12T13:05:12 < karlp> probably to some extent, but only by having error, it won't stop it from working.
2017-04-12T13:05:23 < karlp> (from my understanding of how it works, not from any experience actually using it)
2017-04-12T13:05:45 < zyp> yeah, of course, by "fuck it up" I mean "ruin the accuracy"
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2017-04-12T13:23:21 < dongs> motherfucking altidumb
2017-04-12T13:23:34 < dongs> selected a component and some traces
2017-04-12T13:23:37 < dongs> dragging component down
2017-04-12T13:23:44 < dongs> traces just dump way the fuck off teh layout
2017-04-12T13:23:50 < dongs> some kinda move scale thing is busted
2017-04-12T13:33:41 < karlp> zyp: http://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/a/32524 still 450ns with an unmanaged switch.
2017-04-12T13:33:48 < karlp> how good a sync were you looking at getting?
2017-04-12T13:36:31 < zyp> idk, I was mostly just curious
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2017-04-12T13:46:00 < Steffanx> https://m.imgur.com/a/ia0y5 such innovation. BLE sepic constant current led drivering. Was a bit worried about the tiny ldo, but it went well.
2017-04-12T13:47:00 < emeryth> pro
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2017-04-12T13:50:14 < dongs> now you're ready to sell your solution to R2COMmie
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2017-04-12T13:50:21 < dongs> to put in his car brake lights
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2017-04-12T14:00:22 < Steffanx> I dont think my sot can handle his current. Or his his attitude.
2017-04-12T14:01:01 < Steffanx> Not designed with the automotive crap in mind
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2017-04-12T14:16:34 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/8wEaqc0
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2017-04-12T14:23:24 < Streaker> did not expect to see "thread safe" in a blurb about a microcontroller
2017-04-12T14:24:31 < sync_> ok aandrew
2017-04-12T14:24:33 < sync_> :D
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2017-04-12T14:25:46 < aandrew> sync_: they're testing the design
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2017-04-12T14:27:50 < sync_> ok
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2017-04-12T14:30:31 < Ultrasauce> i'm pretty sure the whole point of PTP is to compensate for variable latency zyp
2017-04-12T14:40:37 < karlp> aandrew: what is that gif of?
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2017-04-12T14:49:29 < dongs> what the shit
2017-04-12T14:50:10 < dongs>  < aandrew> http://imgur.com/8wEaqc0
2017-04-12T14:50:12 < dongs> wat is this
2017-04-12T14:50:20 < dongs> when will the camera pan into the screen and I see dickbutt
2017-04-12T14:50:31 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-39575463
2017-04-12T14:50:33 < Laurenceb_> ourguy
2017-04-12T14:51:15 < dongs> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3188814/windows/raspberry-pi-3-gets-microsoft-cortana-with-windows-10-creators-update.html finally a reason to own negroberry pi
2017-04-12T14:51:47 < Laurenceb_> also thats not trolling
2017-04-12T14:52:06 < aandrew> lol
2017-04-12T14:52:07 < aandrew> that's some tencent people testing the equipment
2017-04-12T14:52:15 < dongs> aandrew: oh
2017-04-12T14:52:27 < Laurenceb_> elevencent
2017-04-12T14:52:28 < dongs> are tehy working on a fucking vr headset
2017-04-12T14:52:35 < aandrew> yes
2017-04-12T14:52:41 < aandrew> exactly
2017-04-12T14:52:43 < dongs> whats F207 doing there
2017-04-12T14:52:51 < dongs> oh fuck, thats why you were asking quat shit
2017-04-12T14:52:53 < dongs> imu?
2017-04-12T14:52:54 < dongs> heh
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2017-04-12T14:54:54 < Laurenceb_> lul F2
2017-04-12T14:54:58 < Laurenceb_> whyyyy
2017-04-12T14:57:49 < dongs> beacuse dongs
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2017-04-12T15:00:37 < dongs> https://youtu.be/QZ05o0RPwUQ?t=65 haha niggerbuntu stole the most fucking annoying feature of windows
2017-04-12T15:00:43 < dongs> i bet its not an option to disable, either
2017-04-12T15:00:45 < dongs> knowing lunix
2017-04-12T15:01:14 < dongs> also why is every lunix "desktop" seems to be running on some screen thats no bigger than 1280x720
2017-04-12T15:01:22 < dongs> everything is fucking huge and single window takes up most of the screen
2017-04-12T15:01:39 < Laurenceb_> dat sidebar
2017-04-12T15:01:41 < Laurenceb_> ewww
2017-04-12T15:01:53 < dongs> the whole thing is a fucking mess
2017-04-12T15:06:21 < Laurenceb_> https://trends.google.co.uk/trends/explore?date=all&q=facebook
2017-04-12T15:06:25 < Laurenceb_> lel it's dead
2017-04-12T15:07:10 < sync_> 100% interest in tunisia
2017-04-12T15:11:04 < aandrew> I told you, no STM32 in that
2017-04-12T15:19:12 < dongs> only dongs
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2017-04-12T16:25:58 < jadew> if you were wondering if those cheap STM32s or the various dev boards from china have original parts, you can now wonder harder
2017-04-12T16:26:00 < jadew> http://www.gsense.com.cn/Uploadfiles/20144241734995881.pdf
2017-04-12T16:26:41 < dongs> what
2017-04-12T16:26:45 < dongs> jadew are you new or something
2017-04-12T16:26:46 < karlp> did you only just hear about GD32 jadew?
2017-04-12T16:26:52 < dongs> yeah srsly wat
2017-04-12T16:26:53 < jadew> lol
2017-04-12T16:27:07 < jadew> I thought I'm bringing in the news
2017-04-12T16:27:09 < karlp> we even have PRs in libopencm3 to handle some of the differnces.
2017-04-12T16:27:09 < jadew> haha
2017-04-12T16:27:17 < dongs> not only that
2017-04-12T16:27:20 < dongs> I even sent some for decapping
2017-04-12T16:27:24 < dongs> and got die pix and shit
2017-04-12T16:27:42 < dongs> https://zeptobars.com/en/read/GD32F103CBT6-mcm-serial-flash-Giga-Devices
2017-04-12T16:27:44 < jadew> that's actually how I found out about them, was looking for a decapping service
2017-04-12T16:27:51 < jadew> where did you send them?
2017-04-12T16:28:00 < dongs> that url
2017-04-12T16:28:02 < dongs> see the bottom
2017-04-12T16:28:07 < dongs> PS. Thanks for the chips go to dongs from irc.
2017-04-12T16:28:09 < jadew> will check, thanks
2017-04-12T16:31:27 < dongs> anyawy gd32 has been around since like 2012
2017-04-12T16:31:40 < dongs> you've really been under a rock
2017-04-12T16:31:50 < dongs> and no, they're properly marked
2017-04-12T16:31:54 < dongs> as GD32 etc. they're a legit vendor.
2017-04-12T16:32:02 < jadew> aren't they cheaper?
2017-04-12T16:32:03 < dongs> they wouldnt sell relabeled stuff as STM32
2017-04-12T16:32:06 < dongs> only a little bit
2017-04-12T16:32:09 < dongs> but a lot less volume than stm
2017-04-12T16:32:23 < dongs> GD32F103CB is cheaper but I cant buy 5k of them per month
2017-04-12T16:32:29 < dongs> unlike STM32F103
2017-04-12T16:33:48 < dongs> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=40d_1491814895 haha
2017-04-12T16:34:54 < karlp> there's a line of them too, like gd150, and and an f4 comparable thing too
2017-04-12T16:35:24 < jadew> you said there were differences tho
2017-04-12T16:35:30 < jadew> what kind?
2017-04-12T16:35:58 < karlp> don't care, didn't look.
2017-04-12T16:36:15 < karlp> you can dig in the locm3 puls if you like.
2017-04-12T16:42:28 < jadew> dongs, that site is great
2017-04-12T16:42:34 < dongs> yes
2017-04-12T16:45:00 < dongs> http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/5022505191_sd.pdf how can I get the fpc layout as something better than a god damn pdf
2017-04-12T16:54:07 < Ecco> man, if you're struggling with Molex datasheets, don't ever buy a chinese connectors :)
2017-04-12T16:55:39 < Ecco> Also, I quite don't see what's wrong on that PDF
2017-04-12T16:55:48 < dongs> page 5.
2017-04-12T16:55:56 < dongs> but never mind, dxf conversion worked great
2017-04-12T16:56:13 < Ecco> It's missing some dimensions?
2017-04-12T16:56:33 < dongs> no, i dont want to draw that cable.
2017-04-12T16:56:34 < Ecco> Or figuring the dimensions you are interested in is painful maybe?
2017-04-12T16:56:42 < Ecco> Oh I see
2017-04-12T16:57:50 < englishman> surprised how cheap 6l is vs 4l
2017-04-12T16:58:59 < dongs> what stuff are you innovating now that drone shit is ded?
2017-04-12T16:59:38 < englishman> pro drone shit for pros
2017-04-12T16:59:44 < dongs> lol.
2017-04-12T16:59:55 < englishman> yeah even hobbyking is hurting
2017-04-12T17:00:15 < englishman> they are leaving trash talking comments on videos about their products with 200 views
2017-04-12T17:00:16 < dongs> too much reverse innovation
2017-04-12T17:00:24 < dongs> who is?
2017-04-12T17:00:38 < englishman> hobbyking
2017-04-12T17:00:49 < dongs> i dont understand . leave comments on their own videos?
2017-04-12T17:00:56 < englishman> no
2017-04-12T17:01:00 < englishman> on some 14 year olds channel
2017-04-12T17:01:12 < englishman> who was like this copter is really good but this little thing blah blah
2017-04-12T17:01:21 < dongs> ah so drone experts
2017-04-12T17:01:42 < englishman> hobbyking came in there no we are actually good high quality u r dum
2017-04-12T17:01:55 < englishman> yes your typical drone pro
2017-04-12T17:02:41 < englishman> seems theres no shortage of work
2017-04-12T17:03:04 < englishman> really need to upgape the stencil printer tho
2017-04-12T17:04:12 < dongs> my pal is making 4 of the pneumatic ones
2017-04-12T17:04:17 < dongs> do yo uwanna buy one
2017-04-12T17:04:21 < dongs> frameless tho
2017-04-12T17:04:30 < englishman> yeah id need all new stencils
2017-04-12T17:04:34 < englishman> i dono
2017-04-12T17:04:36 < englishman> it seems cool
2017-04-12T17:04:44 < englishman> any idea how much
2017-04-12T17:05:00 < dongs> not sure its p.dumb mechanics-wise, not a lot of stuff in it
2017-04-12T17:05:05 < dongs> but its like 20kg shipped
2017-04-12T17:05:32 < englishman> that should be fine
2017-04-12T17:05:45 < englishman> Steffanx shipped me that much of stroopwafel
2017-04-12T17:14:01 < Steffanx> Since when 1.5 is 20?
2017-04-12T17:14:52 < dongs> okay altidumb pro question, how do I remove tracks exactly on top of each other
2017-04-12T17:15:08 < Steffanx> jadew: corecode activily used thr gd32. For info you need him
2017-04-12T17:15:38 < Steffanx> jadew: you have that osh park silk issue still somewhere?
2017-04-12T17:18:51 < jadew> Steffanx, checking
2017-04-12T17:21:19 < jadew> http://5.12.151.12/stuff/20170313_143311.jpg
2017-04-12T17:21:36 < englishman> haha
2017-04-12T17:21:39 < Laurenceb> that looks fairly shit tbh
2017-04-12T17:21:46 < Laurenceb> even seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed is better than that
2017-04-12T17:21:57 < jadew> yeah, they are
2017-04-12T17:22:01 < englishman> that looks like kicad issue not oshpark issue
2017-04-12T17:22:11 < Laurenceb> also pcbtrain when its not covered in pubes and finger marks
2017-04-12T17:22:28 < jadew> englishman, none of my kicad PCBs came out like that
2017-04-12T17:22:40 < jadew> that's the first time I used osh park
2017-04-12T17:23:10 < Steffanx> Oh i remember it being different. Thanks anyway :)
2017-04-12T17:23:48 < jadew> np
2017-04-12T17:30:09 < jadew> they also increased the solder mask clearance
2017-04-12T17:30:23 < jadew> probably because they knew it's going to come out a bit shifted
2017-04-12T17:31:00 < jadew> it's most visible on the left side
2017-04-12T17:31:30 < jadew> actually, I'm not 100% sure it's increased or just misaligned
2017-04-12T17:33:05 < englishman> soldermask is misaligned yea
2017-04-12T17:33:13 < englishman> but your silk is too big
2017-04-12T17:33:14 < jadew> I don't care tho, for $5 with free shipping, I'd say it's worth it
2017-04-12T17:33:28 < dongs> any fab that fucks with solder/silk by resizing it can get fucked
2017-04-12T17:33:34 < karlp> digikey spams new products, won't provide any information on said new products https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2017/mar/coffee-nanopower-building-blocks-new-smart-energy?WT.v_sub=9459890&WT.mc_id=em_TNL1704A.ROW.Send&WT.z_email=12481_TNL1704A0I0IS_article3title&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWTJFM1pqQmpaV0V5WmpOaiIsInQiOiJkY29ITXZqbGtIeU01Wm93b1dFZnpoQjNoVkJJMGE5WDU4N2FhMG5COWFaamU0Q0ZiQW4xU2ZSemtMbGJtKytsVXVMT3dPTHhWSGdsVXJERTJlM013ditIb2VpaWpiVmhrL1I1
2017-04-12T17:33:51 < dongs> maxim integrated
2017-04-12T17:34:03 < dongs> 3). For example, the new MAX40200 from Maxim drops as little as 85 mV
2017-04-12T17:34:03 < jadew> englishman, any bigger and it would have been hard to read
2017-04-12T17:34:12 < dongs> is that the product?
2017-04-12T17:34:15 < karlp> yah maxim 40200 some super specced schottkey
2017-04-12T17:34:19 < englishman> well you are putting text underneath 0402
2017-04-12T17:34:21 < englishman> its going to be small
2017-04-12T17:34:23 < jadew> the width of that thing is 12 mm
2017-04-12T17:34:36 < karlp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/maxim-integrated/MAX40200ANS-/MAX40200ANS--ND/6595609
2017-04-12T17:34:50 < englishman> 0 availability
2017-04-12T17:35:02 < englishman> $10 says that will nver increase before its nrnd
2017-04-12T17:35:02 < dongs> 4-WLP (0.73x0.73)
2017-04-12T17:35:09 < dongs> dont sneeze
2017-04-12T17:35:30 < dongs> wats the pitch
2017-04-12T17:35:40 < dongs> i guess 0.5
2017-04-12T17:36:23 < karlp> 0.35 ;)
2017-04-12T17:36:30 < karlp> comes in sot23 too apparently
2017-04-12T17:36:31 < dongs> you think?
2017-04-12T17:36:47 < karlp> The MAX40200 is available in a tiny, 0.73mm X 0.73mm,
2017-04-12T17:36:47 < karlp> 4-bump wafer-level package (WLP), with a 0.35mm bump
2017-04-12T17:36:48 < karlp> pitch and only 0.5mm high and 5-pin SOT-23 package.
2017-04-12T17:36:52 < karlp> from their datahseet
2017-04-12T17:36:55 < dongs> ah okay
2017-04-12T17:37:05 < karlp> for whaver "available" means for maxim anyway
2017-04-12T17:40:10 < karlp> clion contines to ignore makefiles, works on making msvc work better?! https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2017/04/clion-2017-2-roadmap/
2017-04-12T17:40:20 < dongs> not clicking
2017-04-12T17:40:27 < dongs> i finally stopped getting clion ads
2017-04-12T17:40:30 < dongs> on every fucking page
2017-04-12T17:41:51 < jadew> I was going to try it out, but I think I'll just switch back to windows instead
2017-04-12T17:42:07 < dongs> 'switch back' ? from what
2017-04-12T17:42:21 < jadew> from cinnamon
2017-04-12T17:42:29 < dongs> cinna-what
2017-04-12T17:42:32 < jadew> linux mint, based on ubuntu
2017-04-12T17:42:50 < karlp> jadew: what does clion have to do with windows vs linux desktop?
2017-04-12T17:43:08 < jadew> karlp, on windows I already have an IDE that works
2017-04-12T17:43:17 < jadew> on linux, every choice sucks
2017-04-12T17:43:20 < Lux> still works on windows too
2017-04-12T17:43:27 < jadew> still, I don't need it on windows
2017-04-12T17:43:36 < Lux> but imo clion kinda sucks
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2017-04-12T17:43:48 < Lux> it's far too slow on larger projects
2017-04-12T17:44:05 < dongs> eclipse is better right
2017-04-12T17:44:06 < jadew> that's the first thing I heard about it
2017-04-12T17:44:16 < jadew> (that it's slow on large projects)
2017-04-12T17:44:30 < Lux> at least for the indexing
2017-04-12T17:44:35 < Lux> once that's done it's ok
2017-04-12T17:44:54 < jadew> heh, that's what the other guy said hehe
2017-04-12T17:45:12 < Lux> still pretty annoying though
2017-04-12T17:45:51 < jadew> I bet
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2017-04-12T17:47:10 < jadew> what's pissing me off is that I'm porting some of my WTL programs to wxWidgets and some things are just not possible
2017-04-12T17:47:34 < jadew> I can't load a font from the project's folder
2017-04-12T17:47:57 < jadew> can't alter the font's width or angle
2017-04-12T17:49:43 < jadew> + I have to deal with gcc's errors, which half of the time seem to be missing the point
2017-04-12T17:53:28 < jadew> the only thing I will miss is moving windows from one screen to the next with win + shift + arrows
2017-04-12T17:53:35 < jadew> for some reason, windows messes that up
2017-04-12T17:54:30 < gxti> hmm?
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2017-04-12T17:54:53 < jadew> hmm to what?
2017-04-12T17:54:55 < gxti> works for me
2017-04-12T17:55:29 < jadew> for me it doesn't keep the correct offset
2017-04-12T17:55:37 < jadew> probably because the screens have different resolutions
2017-04-12T17:56:17 < dongs> win-shift-arrows waht
2017-04-12T17:56:19 < gxti> i have two of the same resolution and they stay in the same spot
2017-04-12T17:56:38 < jadew> dongs, it moves windows between screens
2017-04-12T17:56:44 < gxti> i typically use win-arrow though
2017-04-12T17:56:56 < dongs> on what OS
2017-04-12T17:56:56 < jadew> well, it may be win arrow on windows
2017-04-12T17:56:58 < jadew> I don't remember
2017-04-12T17:57:06 < jadew> on linux it's win + shift + arrow
2017-04-12T17:57:20 < jadew> at least on cinnamon
2017-04-12T17:57:25 < gxti> no, win-shift-arrow works
2017-04-12T17:57:36 < gxti> win-arrow snaps to the side of the screen, but it also moves to the next screen if you hit it again
2017-04-12T17:57:40 < dongs> http://lifehacker.com/5828453/move-windows-around-quickly-using-your-keyboard-in-windows-7
2017-04-12T17:57:43 < dongs> this doesnt work for me
2017-04-12T17:57:45 < dongs> i must have turned something off
2017-04-12T17:57:51 < dongs> must be the "automaticalyl arrange windows as you move them" thing
2017-04-12T17:57:53 < jadew> gxti, ah, didn't know it also moves
2017-04-12T17:57:53 < dongs> under accessbiltiy
2017-04-12T17:58:17 < jadew> dongs, well, get it working, it's extremely useful
2017-04-12T17:58:26 < dongs> no, its absolutely useless
2017-04-12T17:58:40 < dongs> yeah its that
2017-04-12T17:58:43 < dongs> thank fuck i never had that one
2017-04-12T17:58:44 < dongs> one
2017-04-12T17:58:45 < dongs> O N
2017-04-12T17:58:46 < dongs> fuck
2017-04-12T17:58:51 < dongs> back to disable it goes
2017-04-12T17:59:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Tq5RYrO.png < this is the pref that kills it
2017-04-12T17:59:23 < jadew> dongs, it works with maximized windows too
2017-04-12T17:59:35 < jadew> so you can quickly rearrange your desktop
2017-04-12T17:59:45 < dongs> jadew: i bet you use winkey-D also
2017-04-12T17:59:51 < dongs> like a fucking faggot
2017-04-12T17:59:54 < jadew> lol
2017-04-12T18:00:14 < jadew> I don't use that automatically range stuff
2017-04-12T18:00:20 < jadew> I don't know what that is
2017-04-12T18:01:32 < dongs> I use the Win+Left arrow and Win+Right arrow all the time on Windows, for comparing documents side-by-side or just keeping the browser open for reference while writing in another window. I'd go so far as to say the Win+arrow key shortcuts are a pretty good reason to upgrade to Windows 7 if you haven't already.
2017-04-12T18:01:37 < dongs> haha
2017-04-12T18:01:40 < dongs> dream teh fuck on
2017-04-12T18:01:47 < dongs> i *just* bitched about this like few hours ago
2017-04-12T18:01:54 < dongs> how unity 8 copied this side by side maximize
2017-04-12T18:01:57 < dongs> apparently from win7
2017-04-12T18:02:08 < dongs> lunix, bleeding edge innovation
2017-04-12T18:02:18 < gxti> nobody cares dongie
2017-04-12T18:02:29 < dongs> sadly, youre fucking right
2017-04-12T18:03:46 < jadew> what I like even more is the shortcut to move windows between workspaces
2017-04-12T18:03:52 < jadew> (virtual desktops)
2017-04-12T18:04:34 < dongs> how about just using your computer
2017-04-12T18:04:41 < karlp> jadew: I take it that ide is visual studio?
2017-04-12T18:04:49 < jadew> karlp, yeah :)
2017-04-12T18:06:09 < karlp> dongs: that win-lft/win-right has been around in gnome for fucking ever. no idea why unity was just harping on it now.
2017-04-12T18:06:43 < karlp> jadew: which is kinda my sadness with clion roadmap.  "we're going to try and make things better to use the compiler of an other ide, that people tend to just stay with"!
2017-04-12T18:06:49 < dongs> karlp: i see. well, im sure it was in windows even longer but because its part of another absolutely rage-inducing feature I've never knew it existed
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2017-04-12T18:07:03  * karlp shrugs.
2017-04-12T18:07:05 < dongs> i had something for emeb but i forgot wat it was
2017-04-12T18:07:21 < karlp> unity video had some weird drag to lower corner and get some quarter view resizing
2017-04-12T18:07:36 < gxti> my favorite part of visual studio is that the dialog boxes don't have borders because "lol modern" and if you're not paying attention sometimes you don't notice there's a fucking dialog box at all
2017-04-12T18:08:32 < jadew> gxti, what are you talking about?
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2017-04-12T18:08:47 < dongs> worse are those 'properties' dialogs in vs
2017-04-12T18:08:54 < gxti> i don't know if it's specific to the theme i'm using or what
2017-04-12T18:08:55 < dongs> that arent actually dialogs beacuse thety're not modal
2017-04-12T18:09:04 < gxti> but the dialog is the same background color as the main window behind it and has no border
2017-04-12T18:09:07 < dongs> so when you take the focus out they just turn into a white box that says "no properties available"
2017-04-12T18:09:25 < dongs> useless
2017-04-12T18:09:43 < gxti> it's one of the stock themes though, not like it's anime waifus 4000
2017-04-12T18:10:06 < jadew> gxti, don't know, I'm using a classic theme which I modified a bit
2017-04-12T18:10:17 < dongs> why the shit is there even a "theme"
2017-04-12T18:10:19 < dongs> of what?
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2017-04-12T18:10:26 < gxti> well "classic" usually means "before microsoft's fisher price designers got their hands on it" so that's probably why it's ok
2017-04-12T18:10:45 < dongs> when you first start vs2015 it gives you 3 theme choices
2017-04-12T18:10:49 < jadew> yeah, I hated the redesign
2017-04-12T18:10:50 < dongs> gay, gayer, gayest
2017-04-12T18:11:04 < dongs> [ALSO WITH ALL CAPS MENUS]
2017-04-12T18:11:10 < jadew> IMO, VS 2005 was the best in terms of UI
2017-04-12T18:11:53 < jadew> and it could do things that I'm not sure are back in VS 2015
2017-04-12T18:11:55 < gxti> i don't have much historical context because before recently when i just need VS to make some dummy apps for testing something, the last time i really used it was more than 10 years ago
2017-04-12T18:12:21 < jadew> they did a major rework with VS2008 and a lot features got forgotten about
2017-04-12T18:12:27 < jadew> and that lingered on for quite some time
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2017-04-12T18:12:55 < jadew> dongs, luckily you can turn the caps off
2017-04-12T18:12:59 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-12T18:13:04 < dongs> i think they're actually off in 2015 by default
2017-04-12T18:13:11 < dongs> 2013? or something had it on
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2017-04-12T18:15:45 < munki> gonna get some heat im sure but i like visualgdb for embedded dev
2017-04-12T18:15:56 < jadew> I like it too
2017-04-12T18:16:41 < dongs> been thinking of buying it but keil isnt giving me any good reasons to
2017-04-12T18:16:47 < dongs> munki: hows debugger in that
2017-04-12T18:16:52 < munki> im like 80% sure i like it more than mdk
2017-04-12T18:16:59 < jadew> dongs, it's decent
2017-04-12T18:17:07 < munki> dongs: the gdb functionality is solid
2017-04-12T18:17:25 < munki> gdb  has its own limitations but overall worksforme
2017-04-12T18:17:30 < jadew> yeah, you can quickly inspect and change registers
2017-04-12T18:17:31 < dongs> by "solid" you mean " i hope to fuck i never have to drop to a gdb command line to achieve anything " right
2017-04-12T18:17:46 < jadew> yeah, you don't have to
2017-04-12T18:17:48 < munki> yes it all "just works"
2017-04-12T18:17:50 < dongs> stuff ilke realtime trace etc all works?
2017-04-12T18:17:51 < jadew> it's nicely integrated
2017-04-12T18:18:01 < dongs> like, realtime vars/etc view
2017-04-12T18:18:04 < munki> yes
2017-04-12T18:18:05 < jadew> yep
2017-04-12T18:18:09 < dongs> cool
2017-04-12T18:18:19 < munki> integrates into vs watch feature
2017-04-12T18:18:54 < jadew> dongs, get a trial
2017-04-12T18:20:01 < jadew> I'm still on VS 2015, cuz I don't think my licenses for visual assist and visualgdb cover any versions that work with the 2017 editions
2017-04-12T18:20:24 < munki> the trial is full featured iirc just time limited
2017-04-12T18:20:31 < munki> like only x days
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2017-04-12T18:40:58 < PaulFertser> I remember probably zyp was investigating the possibilities with the highest level of flash protection on stm32f1. I wonder if it was meaningfully possible to halt and resume the target and to manipulate the registers when it was running from flash?
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2017-04-12T18:42:40 < PaulFertser> zyp: btw, so far the failing HSE theory seems to have been falsified, our customers reported they had hangs in their lab on HSI as well.
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2017-04-12T18:44:45 < karlp> radiation?
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2017-04-12T18:50:13 < dongs> cancer
2017-04-12T18:50:58 < PaulFertser> I suspect Vcc instability now, heh.
2017-04-12T18:54:15 < emeb> dongs: such a tease
2017-04-12T18:54:23 < dongs> yea i think it was something intersting too.
2017-04-12T18:54:43 < emeb> haha
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2017-04-12T20:21:32 < BrainDamage> spotted laureceb's screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/Nydpnli.jpg
2017-04-12T20:22:22 < dongs> truly
2017-04-12T20:23:29 < Laurenceb> epic lulz
2017-04-12T20:23:56 < Laurenceb> tip was the screenshot?
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2017-04-12T20:32:58 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=66e_1491968249
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2017-04-12T20:53:56 < jadew`> ffs.. I have to find a version of visual gdb that works with my license and they don't have them listed with the release date on their site
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2017-04-12T21:12:48 < jadew`> looks like MS pulled VS 2015, you can only get it with a MSDN subscription
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2017-04-12T21:47:29 < gxti> but don't you want the latest cloudy happy funtime?
2017-04-12T21:47:38 < gxti> of course you do!
2017-04-12T21:49:23 < jadew`> I want to be able to open visualgdb projects in the future too, cuz I'm unlikely to renew my subscription anytime soon
2017-04-12T21:50:31 < jadew`> luckily, I had the net installer lying around and it seems you can instruct it to create an offline installation folder
2017-04-12T21:50:36 < jadew`> which is what I'm doing now
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2017-04-12T21:59:49 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/qsD/plain   any ideas why this might end up printing ffffffff800a1081   instead of just 800a1081? seems to work correctly when i try it out but i have a log where it ends up wrong
2017-04-12T22:00:26 < jpa-> (sizeof long = 4, sizeof long long = 8)
2017-04-12T22:02:21 < jadew`> any chance it's not being converted to a long long?
2017-04-12T22:02:59 < jpa-> i have the cast right there in the printf like that
2017-04-12T22:03:26 < jadew`> yeah, but it's a ... kind of thing, maybe it's ignoring it?
2017-04-12T22:03:41 < jpa-> hmm, should probably compare objdumps of the binary
2017-04-12T22:12:34 < jpa-> uh.. looks like this application is compiled with some strange settings that actually make sizeof(long) == 8 even though on x64 linux it usually is 32 bits
2017-04-12T22:13:09 < jpa-> so then it must simply be some kind of sign extension bug wherever the 4-byte value first gets converted to 8 bytes
2017-04-12T22:14:43 < jpa-> wait no.. is long always 64 bits on x64 linux?
2017-04-12T22:14:55 < englishman> isnt long long always more than long but has no upper limit
2017-04-12T22:15:17 < jpa-> not always, looks to be the same as long here
2017-04-12T22:16:08 < jadew`> why don't you use uint32_t, uint64_t instead?
2017-04-12T22:16:18 < englishman> ^
2017-04-12T22:17:49 < englishman> i dont understand, isnt printing ffffffff800a1081 or (undefined 32 bits)800a1081 the goal here
2017-04-12T22:20:08 < jpa-> the goal is to find a bug in some other persons code, but i'm getting ahead there now that i realized that long is 64 bits
2017-04-12T22:21:11 < jpa-> but as for not using uint64_t etc. in the printf, AFAIK "%llx" coupled with (unsigned long long) cast is the most portable way to reliably print a value in hex.. because uint64_t could easily mismatch the format specifier unless you use those PRI64 etc. macros
2017-04-12T22:25:19 < jadew`> I've only used printf a handful of times in my life
2017-04-12T22:25:59 < jadew`> I have a little tohex function in my utility library that takes any kind of int and outputs the correct number of hex digits
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2017-04-12T22:45:29 < upgrdman> neat https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/17/04/11/2256213/scientists-prove-your-phones-pin-can-be-stolen-using-its-gyroscope-data
2017-04-12T22:45:53 < boB_K7IQ> Love that kinda stuff !
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2017-04-12T22:58:47 < jadew`> I don't know wth is with me and screws, but I have a hard time finding them
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2017-04-12T22:59:36 < jadew`> I need a phillips M3 button head, black screw and they seem to be a rarity
2017-04-12T23:00:08 < qyx> those used to be used on mikrotik's enclosures
2017-04-12T23:00:29 < qyx> kind of
2017-04-12T23:00:51 < jadew`> they look very nice
2017-04-12T23:00:57 < jadew`> I don't know why they're so hard to find
2017-04-12T23:01:10 < jadew`> I went on ebay, screws category
2017-04-12T23:01:28 < jadew`> 1.1 million listings - I'll surley find what I need there
2017-04-12T23:01:33 < jadew`> not
2017-04-12T23:02:47 < jadew`> I basically need this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M3-x-10mm-10-9-Alloy-Steel-Hex-Socket-Button-Head-Screws-Black-100-Pcs-PK-/332016138549
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2017-04-12T23:02:54 < jadew`> but phillips
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2017-04-12T23:17:39 < kakimir> time for my medical beer
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2017-04-12T23:22:05 < Steffanx> and a waffle
2017-04-12T23:28:47 < kakimir> the beer is for waffle hangover
2017-04-12T23:29:36 < englishman> :waffle:
2017-04-12T23:30:29 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3N6qXkjA2Y
2017-04-12T23:31:13 < Steffanx> Lildongs is ready to be an arsehole again?
2017-04-12T23:31:34 < Steffanx> *mean kitty.
2017-04-12T23:34:03 < kakimir> secks preplay
2017-04-12T23:37:22 < jadew`> what kind of screw is the one on the bottom? http://5.12.151.12/stuff/IMG_2485.JPG
2017-04-12T23:37:30 < jadew`> the head I mean
2017-04-12T23:37:45 < englishman> stripped
2017-04-12T23:37:47 < jadew`> it looks like a pan head, which is why I ordered the top one, but that one is much thicker
2017-04-12T23:38:12 < jadew`> englishman, that's why I want to change them :)
2017-04-12T23:38:31 < BrainDamage> if you're replacing screws you can use anything
2017-04-12T23:38:33 < Laurenceb_> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nD40O6thgUc/VqIZkA_DvMI/AAAAAAAABts/YAQrT8Pqh00/s1600/CoC1.jpg
2017-04-12T23:38:40 < BrainDamage> just replace all to be consistent
2017-04-12T23:38:54 < jadew`> BrainDamage, believe it or not, with the top ones, it looks off
2017-04-12T23:39:06 < jadew`> simply because they're a bit thicker
2017-04-12T23:40:01 < jadew`> still, any ideas on what kind of head is that? I don't think it's a button head
2017-04-12T23:40:13 < jadew`> and it's not pan either, at least not standard pan
2017-04-12T23:40:16 < BrainDamage> pan
2017-04-12T23:40:30 < BrainDamage> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Screw_head_types.svg
2017-04-12T23:40:33 < jadew`> well, all the pan heads I found were thick
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2017-04-12T23:40:46 < jadew`> like the one on the top
2017-04-12T23:41:07 < Steffanx> Trust BrainDamage, he is never wrong.
2017-04-12T23:41:21 < BrainDamage> the top isn't pan, pan has flat top, that one has curved top
2017-04-12T23:41:29 < BrainDamage> it'd be a dome top
2017-04-12T23:41:56 < jadew`> it's not more curved than the one on the bottom
2017-04-12T23:41:58 < BrainDamage> I am wrong many times, I am just good at faking it in irc
2017-04-12T23:42:32 < jadew`> http://5.12.151.12/stuff/IMG_2484.JPG
2017-04-12T23:42:42 < jadew`> they're pretty much the same
2017-04-12T23:42:58 < jadew`> except for the thickness
2017-04-12T23:43:06 < jadew`> is there such a thing as a slim pan?
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2017-04-12T23:46:14 < jadew`> I guess they're all pan
2017-04-12T23:47:26 < jadew`> for example if you look on farnell or tme, the pan heads look like the one at the top
2017-04-12T23:47:36 < jadew`> and nothing looks like the one on the bottom
2017-04-12T23:49:22 < jadew`> I think people that pick what screws to use in a product are like the guys that select the music for movies
2017-04-12T23:49:43 < jadew`> they know that one obscure song that will be just great for that scene
2017-04-12T23:57:03 < jadew`> this is what you get if you buy a pan head screw from farnell: http://ro.farnell.com/productimages/standard/en_GB/FN02905-40.jpg
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2017-04-13T00:04:23 < upgrdman> isnt that a "cheese" head?
2017-04-13T00:04:31 < upgrdman> i thought pan looks like a )
2017-04-13T00:04:37 < jadew`> I think the cheese head has sharper edges
2017-04-13T00:04:49 < upgrdman> hmm k
2017-04-13T00:07:52 < jadew`> BiH M3x8 - I wonder what the BiH means
2017-04-13T00:08:14 < jadew`> that's what they're called in the manual
2017-04-13T00:08:32 < jadew`> BiH M3x8 ZK
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2017-04-13T00:14:05 < jadew`> I think it's called a recessed pan
2017-04-13T00:14:15 < englishman> a u t i s m
2017-04-13T00:14:18 < englishman> (i approve)
2017-04-13T00:14:48 < jadew`> with the head height of about 1.8-1.9mm for M3
2017-04-13T00:22:47 < jadew`> although, the recessed part might be about the slot
2017-04-13T00:32:41 < Steffanx> How is your today englishman ?
2017-04-13T00:32:50 < englishman> slow
2017-04-13T00:32:54 < Steffanx> Your autism that is
2017-04-13T00:32:58 < englishman> clients need to respond to emails if they want shit done
2017-04-13T00:33:16 < Steffanx> Hah.
2017-04-13T00:33:50 < englishman> but
2017-04-13T00:33:56 < englishman> why bother working for a living?
2017-04-13T00:34:00 < englishman> when you can invent a card game
2017-04-13T00:34:03 < englishman> and not need to print any cards
2017-04-13T00:34:04 < englishman> https://www.superdataresearch.com/market-data/digital-card-games/
2017-04-13T00:34:13 < englishman> Digital collectible card games (CCGs) will earn $1.4B in 2017E
2017-04-13T00:34:20 < englishman> one point four billion dollars
2017-04-13T00:34:24 < englishman> and they dont even have to print any cards
2017-04-13T00:34:34 < jadew`> heh
2017-04-13T00:35:34 < Steffanx> And then ask 2.5k for a report about it.
2017-04-13T00:35:57 < kakimir> it would be interesting to visit shanghai some day
2017-04-13T00:36:04 < kakimir> pretty wild electronics scene
2017-04-13T00:36:40 < englishman> why not visit espoo?
2017-04-13T00:36:42 < englishman> or oulu
2017-04-13T00:36:48 < kakimir> I have
2017-04-13T00:36:49 < englishman> big in electronics
2017-04-13T00:36:58 < Steffanx> Go on stm32 tour and visit us all
2017-04-13T00:37:13 < kakimir> I should
2017-04-13T00:37:17 < englishman> kakimir world tour
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2017-04-13T00:40:51 < jadew`> found them on aliexpress
2017-04-13T00:41:04 < jadew`> I can only buy 1000 and it doesn't have free shipping
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2017-04-13T00:43:51 < kakimir> I want
2017-04-13T00:50:31 < jadew`> also found this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100pcs-DIN7985-M3-x-10-M3-10-Steel-With-Black-Pan-Head-Phillips-Screw-Cross-Recessed/32627066900.html
2017-04-13T00:50:46 < jadew`> but the image with the description doesn't match the specs of the DIN number in the title
2017-04-13T00:50:48 < jadew`> ...
2017-04-13T00:51:41 < jadew`> k in the image: 1.9mm, k in the DIN 7985: 2.4
2017-04-13T00:52:00 < jadew`> (I suspect the screws I bought are DIN 7985)
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2017-04-13T00:57:21 < jadew`> ok, I know why I can't find them
2017-04-13T00:57:25 < jadew`> they're not fucking standard
2017-04-13T00:58:28 < jadew`> there are two standards for pan head screwes and they both specify them for 2.4mm
2017-04-13T00:58:41 < jadew`> DIN 7045 and DIN 7985/ISO 7045
2017-04-13T01:04:14 < jadew`> I'll get the ones I linked and hope they don't respect the standard
2017-04-13T01:04:27 < jadew`> now the next screw type
2017-04-13T01:12:59 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/CC4Q7nt.jpg
2017-04-13T01:13:06 < englishman> bold
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2017-04-13T01:13:38 < jadew`> he goes into that hole, comes out in the forest in the background
2017-04-13T01:14:23 < englishman> heh
2017-04-13T01:17:21 < kakimir> you do nature photography englishman ?
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2017-04-13T01:21:55 < englishman> yeah check out this one, almost made it into natgeo http://i.imgur.com/9ZcOobD.jpg
2017-04-13T01:34:10 < aandrew> such high quality
2017-04-13T01:34:17 < aandrew> I can't believe they didn't put it in natgeo
2017-04-13T01:35:59 < johntramp> I have an stm32f4 mcu on an automated test rig which has had the flash erased and programmed around 7000 times now.  Is this getting to expected end life?
2017-04-13T01:37:22 < johntramp> I am getting the odd Error: failed erasing sectors 0 to 11 or similar, and was wondering if that is the cause
2017-04-13T01:39:26 < jadew`> the datasheet says they're specified for minimum 10 kcycles
2017-04-13T01:40:57 < johntramp> ok thanks that's good to know
2017-04-13T02:11:49 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/3apnyzX
2017-04-13T02:15:04 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/RPl69ng
2017-04-13T02:16:51 < jadew`> did you make it?
2017-04-13T02:17:59 < jadew`> when I clicked on them they were just uploaded
2017-04-13T02:19:29 < jadew`> http://i.imgur.com/3QegKhX.jpg
2017-04-13T02:21:22 < jadew`> http://i.imgur.com/GiLIt8z.jpg
2017-04-13T02:21:28 < jadew`> ha! I guess I'm one of the 5%
2017-04-13T02:21:39 < jadew`> I only like odd numbers
2017-04-13T02:23:55 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/GXmdpPV
2017-04-13T02:23:59 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling hard
2017-04-13T02:25:00 < jadew`> funny, but who the hell is the guy in the top left?
2017-04-13T02:26:48 < ReadError> ay yo
2017-04-13T02:27:03 < ReadError> https://malwr.com/analysis/OWE4ZjFjYmNjZmMwNDRjMDllMTAwOGMyMjQ3ZGUxYzg/#static_antivirus_tab
2017-04-13T02:27:16 < ReadError> found this cool new virus scanner site for testing files
2017-04-13T02:27:31 < ReadError> actually runs the shit in a sandbox and does analysis
2017-04-13T02:28:20 < jadew`> heh
2017-04-13T02:28:29 < jadew`> these services have been around for a lot of time
2017-04-13T02:28:35 < jadew`> https://virusscan.jotti.org/
2017-04-13T02:28:39 < jadew`> is the oldest I know of
2017-04-13T02:28:48 < Laurenceb_> a god of atheism
2017-04-13T02:28:51 < jadew`> http://virustotal.com is what I'm using now
2017-04-13T02:29:04 < ReadError> ya but this is much different jadew`
2017-04-13T02:29:08 < ReadError> ive used jotti a bunch
2017-04-13T02:29:13 < ReadError> this malwr one
2017-04-13T02:29:19 < ReadError> actually runs the shit too
2017-04-13T02:29:23 < jadew`> oh
2017-04-13T02:29:27 < jadew`> nice
2017-04-13T02:29:38 < ReadError> and shows you the behavior
2017-04-13T02:29:43 < ReadError> reg entries etc
2017-04-13T02:29:52 < ReadError> next level type shit
2017-04-13T02:29:53 < jadew`> for free?
2017-04-13T02:29:56 < ReadError> yup
2017-04-13T02:30:15 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/EBSXuTq
2017-04-13T02:30:19 < jadew`> don't see how it can last too long
2017-04-13T02:30:20 < Laurenceb_> pls don't be a shop
2017-04-13T02:31:15 < ReadError> since 2011
2017-04-13T02:31:22 < ReadError> on freenode too apparently
2017-04-13T02:31:27 < ReadError> i just found it today tho
2017-04-13T02:32:10 < jadew`> yeah, but if it gets succeessful, it will either shut down or it will have way too long queues
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2017-04-13T02:40:39 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_yTa2TudJQ cat32
2017-04-13T02:41:52 < Laurenceb_> til Jahans is legit Iranian
2017-04-13T02:42:13 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/user/farshnuke
2017-04-13T02:42:22 < Laurenceb_> he has to go back tbh
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2017-04-13T02:49:13 < jadew`> http://i.imgur.com/mqZVCUj.jpg
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2017-04-13T03:01:07 < jadew`> http://i.imgur.com/et4naKC.gif
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2017-04-13T03:07:30 < englishman> raccoon was still there when I got home
2017-04-13T03:07:30 < upgrdman> is SPI usually LSBit first or MSBit first?
2017-04-13T03:07:36 < englishman> successfully murk'd
2017-04-13T03:07:44 < englishman> msb
2017-04-13T03:07:58 < upgrdman> thought so
2017-04-13T03:08:05 < upgrdman> but ti diagram shows 1.2.3.4.5...
2017-04-13T03:08:33 < englishman> then its not
2017-04-13T03:08:45 < englishman> 7:23 PM <Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/GXmdpPV
2017-04-13T03:08:51 < englishman> where do I get
2017-04-13T03:08:53 < englishman> That mug
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2017-04-13T04:02:35 < dongs> ok showed 0.1mm clearance gerber to flexipcb chinks, lets see how much they will yell at me
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2017-04-13T05:10:29 < upgrdman> if i ever do front end web dev....  https://i.redd.it/rr658bbbm4ry.jpg
2017-04-13T05:25:15 < dongs> i fucking hate those questions
2017-04-13T05:25:27 < dongs> whats your favorite dog ands hit
2017-04-13T05:25:30 < dongs> fuck offffffffffffffff
2017-04-13T05:25:55 < dongs> also since they're so fucking dumb, I immediately forget what hte fuck the question was
2017-04-13T05:26:20 < dongs> and a bunch of "high security" sites don't bother asking the question, they give you a LIST of questions to answer, so you pick question AND type answer
2017-04-13T05:26:27 < dongs> so ilke i dont even remember what hte shit I chose lastr time
2017-04-13T05:29:35 < dongs> FUCK MTP; MTP SUX; MTP IS DYING; MTP IS DEAD TO ME; MTP HIT WTC
2017-04-13T05:29:46 < dongs> nearly 2017 Q2 and still cannot fucking create + rename a folder over MTP
2017-04-13T05:29:49 < dongs> what the FUCK GUYS
2017-04-13T05:30:19 < dongs> oh it finalyl happened
2017-04-13T05:30:21 < dongs> after 30 seconds
2017-04-13T05:32:02 < englishman> have you tried airdroid
2017-04-13T05:32:09 < englishman> it made assdroid useable for me
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2017-04-13T06:19:10 < PeterM_obile> R2COM the mcpcb(metal core pcb) ?
2017-04-13T06:19:34 < PeterM_obile> They make em 2l but theyre expensive and most china places cant do 2l
2017-04-13T06:20:11 < PeterM_obile> you dont
2017-04-13T06:20:15 < PeterM_obile> It is a cunt
2017-04-13T06:21:03 < PeterM_obile> that is a reasonable idea
2017-04-13T06:21:28 < PeterM_obile> remember no through hold parts on mcpcb though
2017-04-13T06:21:38 < PeterM_obile> So all smd pins etx
2017-04-13T06:22:18 < PeterM_obile> Yes, but sometimes extra charge and not super accurate registration
2017-04-13T06:24:30 < PeterM_obile> this is probably one of the only times i would suggest 0.1inch headers because of mechanical strength in smd.
2017-04-13T06:25:02 < PeterM_obile> Use a normal 2l pcb to line them up for reflow
2017-04-13T06:26:51 < PeterM_obile> that is all fine
2017-04-13T06:28:34 < PeterM_obile> that isnt verybpossible
2017-04-13T06:28:56 < PeterM_obile> Becuase if you expose the aluminium you cant just solder to.it
2017-04-13T06:29:11 < PeterM_obile> You would need spring contacts
2017-04-13T06:29:40 < PeterM_obile> ok, and you want this.just for emi or something?
2017-04-13T06:30:32 < PeterM_obile> yea but why
2017-04-13T06:30:48 < PeterM_obile> for safety or emi or what
2017-04-13T06:31:16 < PeterM_obile> So when i asked is this for emi the first time you should have said yes
2017-04-13T06:33:29 < PeterM_obile> i suggest you put all your high power smd ahit on the mcpcb, then have an identicalish outline 2l pcb mezzanine on top of it with pins going straight down to the components to make routing easier
2017-04-13T06:34:51 < PeterM_obile> i mean, all the stuff with tight loops keep together ofcourse but routing even a fet driver on 1l is a cunt
2017-04-13T06:35:24 < PeterM_obile> I dont think so
2017-04-13T06:35:53 < PeterM_obile> But you can vias to jump a single trace
2017-04-13T06:36:31 < PeterM_obile> You wont have massive cuts in gnd plane but also no 0 ohm resistors
2017-04-13T06:37:31 < PeterM_obile> not that pricey
2017-04-13T06:37:43 < PeterM_obile> just two pcbs
2017-04-13T06:38:59 < PeterM_obile> uhhh
2017-04-13T06:39:13 < PeterM_obile> How do you plan on doing that that way
2017-04-13T06:40:51 < PeterM_obile> yeah,
2017-04-13T06:42:51 < PeterM_obile> for some reason i thought you wanted the ics facing down and gnd plane facing up on the module pcb and i was like how the fuck he gon solder that shit
2017-04-13T06:44:51 < PeterM_obile> and castellated holes to solder the module down right
2017-04-13T06:46:04 < PeterM_obile> because you said it will be solid gnd plane
2017-04-13T06:46:26 < PeterM_obile> 0/10
2017-04-13T06:50:52 < PeterM_obile> that sounds normal
2017-04-13T06:52:03 < PeterM_obile> few rules allow big pullback from holes
2017-04-13T06:52:59 < PeterM_obile> Leave a bit of slop on the holes - some mfg like to punch holes instead of drilling
2017-04-13T06:54:37 < PeterM_obile> Yeaj
2017-04-13T06:55:28 < PeterM_obile> because drilling al can leave nasty burrs
2017-04-13T06:55:45 < PeterM_obile> So to save deburring they punch instead
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2017-04-13T07:27:32 < ReadError> greetings friends
2017-04-13T07:32:36 < ReadError> are you pleased with mr trump still?
2017-04-13T07:32:58 < ReadError> excited about war with north korea ?
2017-04-13T07:33:01 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-13T07:34:03 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/851767718248361986
2017-04-13T07:34:06 < ReadError> didnt you see this?
2017-04-13T07:34:26 < ReadError> yesterday
2017-04-13T07:34:34 < upgrdman> R2COM, i wonder if Zhang has a wang
2017-04-13T07:36:14 < aandrew> yay, knowing nothing at all about OpenGL I have a little C app that has a spinny cube
2017-04-13T07:36:21 < ReadError> murica first
2017-04-13T07:36:39 < upgrdman> aandrew, cool. i just started to learn the basics of opengl a little while ago
2017-04-13T07:36:59 < upgrdman> you starting off with shaders or old immediate mode?
2017-04-13T07:37:04 < aandrew> no idea
2017-04-13T07:37:13 < aandrew> I just have a solid cube on the screen that I can rotate
2017-04-13T07:37:22 < aandrew> I need to feed it quaternions and see what the rotation looks like
2017-04-13T07:37:22 < upgrdman> aandrew, did you write the code?
2017-04-13T07:37:34 < aandrew> upgrdman: no, started with the nehe lesson 5
2017-04-13T07:37:38 < upgrdman> o
2017-04-13T07:37:44 < upgrdman> so immediate mode, cool.
2017-04-13T07:38:23 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol. then when she realizes she's free, she'll abandon you and take your shit when you're not home.
2017-04-13T07:39:58  * upgrdman imagines R2COM building a dungeon
2017-04-13T07:40:39 < upgrdman> sure, because golden showers == treating her well
2017-04-13T07:41:54 < upgrdman> mutual? you want to receive a golden shower too? lol
2017-04-13T07:44:45 < aandrew> ok, had a minor revelation
2017-04-13T07:44:55 < aandrew> basically the tracking data we are generating is from the frame of reference of the receiver
2017-04-13T07:45:22 < aandrew> and when we took the quat from that and tried to rotate the transmitter, it was screwy and dependent on the orientation of the transmitter relative to the receiver
2017-04-13T07:45:37 < upgrdman> aandrew, you can swap frame of ref if you invert the x/y/z of the quat
2017-04-13T07:45:58 < aandrew> the solution was to provide the viz tool with the coordinates with respect of the rx, but the quat with resepect ot the tx that was rotating
2017-04-13T07:47:12 < ReadError> R2COM: so you think that going to war with n.korea is a good idea?
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2017-04-13T07:51:35 < PeterM_obile> ReadError sure whats the worst that could happen
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2017-04-13T07:52:06 < ReadError> hmm true
2017-04-13T07:52:10 < ReadError> end of days
2017-04-13T07:53:00 < ReadError> R2COM: except that goes against his campaign promises
2017-04-13T07:53:04 < ReadError> 'america first'
2017-04-13T07:55:30 < ReadError> Finally, in pursuing a foreign policy based on American interests, we will embrace diplomacy. The world must know that we do not go abroad in search of enemies, that we are always happy when old enemies become friends, and when old friends become allies.
2017-04-13T07:55:41 < ReadError> https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-foreign-policy
2017-04-13T07:55:42 < ReadError> oh?
2017-04-13T07:56:03 < ReadError> "The world must know that we do not go abroad in search of enemies"
2017-04-13T07:56:04 < ReadError> "The world must know that we do not go abroad in search of enemies"
2017-04-13T07:56:05 < ReadError> "The world must know that we do not go abroad in search of enemies"
2017-04-13T07:56:05 < ReadError> "The world must know that we do not go abroad in search of enemies"
2017-04-13T07:56:22 < upgrdman> ReadError, we're not searching. we found.
2017-04-13T07:56:24 < upgrdman> ;)
2017-04-13T07:56:27 < ReadError> lol 'flood'
2017-04-13T07:57:04 < ReadError> no, you stay in your lane
2017-04-13T07:57:20 < ReadError> and only buck up if some nigga try to take ur lunch
2017-04-13T07:57:50 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-13T07:58:28 < ReadError> also did you see the press conf yesterday?
2017-04-13T07:58:38 < ReadError> spicer was trying to push this idea
2017-04-13T07:58:58 < ReadError> "well, if we bombed syria without talking to moscow first, we obviously dont have any ties to russia"
2017-04-13T07:59:10 < ReadError> SEVERAL times he mentioned that
2017-04-13T07:59:42 < ReadError> its obviously as to why they attacked, now
2017-04-13T08:00:15 < ReadError> and theres nothing to gain in syria
2017-04-13T08:00:28 < ReadError> so again, doesn't mesh with 'america first'
2017-04-13T08:00:59 < ReadError> who wants some shitty hole in a sandbox
2017-04-13T08:01:16 < ReadError> yea, not OURs tho
2017-04-13T08:01:23 < ReadError> nope
2017-04-13T08:01:32 < ReadError> we didnt keep iraq
2017-04-13T08:01:39 < ReadError> we didnt keep afganistan
2017-04-13T08:01:52 < ReadError> no because its illegal
2017-04-13T08:02:53 < ReadError> works for me
2017-04-13T08:03:23 < ReadError> I wish I got a gov check ;(
2017-04-13T08:04:00 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-13T08:04:05 < ReadError> sounds made up to me
2017-04-13T08:05:59 < ReadError> idk
2017-04-13T08:06:14 < ReadError> i just luv2lol
2017-04-13T08:08:08 < ReadError> i would like a mech suit
2017-04-13T08:08:21 < ReadError> more agile than a tank
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2017-04-13T08:56:25 < aandrew> lol
2017-04-13T08:56:33 < aandrew> ReadError: you really got him amped up
2017-04-13T09:08:35 < ReadError> yea happens easily it seems
2017-04-13T09:08:43 < ReadError> you gonna get to ride the hellokiki ?
2017-04-13T09:09:39 < aandrew> don't think so
2017-04-13T09:10:00 < aandrew> just want to get out of htis area before kim dong fuck pulls something
2017-04-13T09:18:49 < aandrew> wtf
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2017-04-13T09:19:05 < aandrew> upgrdman: isn't there a GL_QUAT? I'm seeing references to it online but not finding the definition
2017-04-13T09:20:05 < upgrdman> GL_QUADS
2017-04-13T09:20:57 < upgrdman> oh, did you mean quaternion? opengl has no support for quaternions, that part of whatever additional math lib you use or write
2017-04-13T09:21:22 < upgrdman> for java, i use JOGL which has a Quaternion class
2017-04-13T09:21:42 < upgrdman> and theres fucktons of other libs for c, cpp, etc.
2017-04-13T09:23:34 < aandrew> yeah quaternions
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2017-04-13T09:42:25 < Ultrasauce> aandrew if this is c++ i recommend glm
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2017-04-13T09:54:09 < ohsix> reading old logs
2017-04-13T09:54:11 < ohsix> fake news 10/09/2015 09:05:06 PM
2017-04-13T09:54:16 < ohsix> turns out i coined the phrase
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2017-04-13T10:39:29 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/12/burger_king_googlespamming_advert/ trolled
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2017-04-13T10:45:33 < aandrew> arcballs
2017-04-13T10:45:35 < aandrew> http://rainwarrior.ca/dragon/arcball.html
2017-04-13T10:45:39 < aandrew> lol
2017-04-13T10:45:43 < dongs> damn chinaflexpcb spec is pro
2017-04-13T10:45:49 < dongs> 0.15mm drill/ 0.35mm via pad
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2017-04-13T10:45:56 < dongs> and <0.1mm trace space is ok
2017-04-13T10:46:01 < dongs> furiously makin some high end cables
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2017-04-13T10:54:20 < upgrdman> typical chinese driver   http://i.imgur.com/RyxQArF.gifv
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2017-04-13T11:14:09 < dongs> that car driver?
2017-04-13T11:15:23 < sync_> dongs: that's pretty ok depending on the pricing
2017-04-13T11:26:54 < dongs> sync, apparently same price as i got last time
2017-04-13T11:27:00 < dongs> no extra cost for high end drill/trace
2017-04-13T11:27:09 < dongs> extra $23 per model for adding reinforcement aat end of fpc
2017-04-13T11:27:48 < dongs> stoner32 more like
2017-04-13T11:28:59 < dongs> celeron NUC?
2017-04-13T11:29:26 < sync_> coreduo
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2017-04-13T11:29:33 < dongs> i think thats the same shit i got
2017-04-13T11:29:43 < PeterM_obile> Coreduino lul
2017-04-13T11:30:27 < dongs> crt i have those metal racks too
2017-04-13T11:30:30 < dongs> jappus make them
2017-04-13T11:32:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/undefined.jpg
2017-04-13T11:32:37 < dongs> uhhhh
2017-04-13T11:32:38 < dongs> wat
2017-04-13T11:32:39 < dongs> fucking garbage
2017-04-13T11:32:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/uJwt0ZZ.jpg
2017-04-13T11:32:52 < dongs> i was going to upload from my phone
2017-04-13T11:32:58 < dongs> then remembered imgur app is like 20megs
2017-04-13T11:33:00 < dongs> and is trash
2017-04-13T11:33:06 < dongs> so instead I copied it over wifi to pc at 300k/sec
2017-04-13T11:33:49 < dongs> thats the small stack
2017-04-13T11:38:19 < dongs> sounds like youre ready2dickstart
2017-04-13T11:39:53 < sync_> dongs: how common are complete EV drivetrains in .jp scrapyards?
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2017-04-13T11:43:18 < ReadError> dongs: updated to creators update yet?
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2017-04-13T11:43:26 < aandrew> what's a DCS1065
2017-04-13T11:44:22 < dongs> yes
2017-04-13T11:44:43 < dongs> sync, i donno, i havent asked
2017-04-13T11:45:16 < ReadError> says some shit about DPI fixes, anything noticeable ?
2017-04-13T11:45:28 < dongs> i never had problems with dpi
2017-04-13T11:45:56 < dongs> keil installer still tiny af
2017-04-13T11:45:58 < dongs> but thats keils problem
2017-04-13T11:48:15 < PeterM_obile> sync_ probably $1000 or less
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2017-04-13T11:50:02 < sync_> mhh PeterM_obile
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2017-04-13T11:50:39 < PeterM_obile> Iirc the AT was 30k jpy and motor was 80k jpy
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2017-04-13T11:57:06 < ReadError> hmm
2017-04-13T11:57:13 < ReadError> i got enterprise
2017-04-13T11:57:21 < ReadError> maybe gonna try this in a vm 1st
2017-04-13T11:57:45 < dongs> enterwhat
2017-04-13T11:57:54 < dongs> retarded pirate/cloner
2017-04-13T11:59:26 < ReadError> nope, 100% legal copy
2017-04-13T11:59:36 < ReadError> but i guess MS does something different w/ volume licensed shit
2017-04-13T12:05:32 < dongs> dongwheel
2017-04-13T12:06:57 < ReadError> does pioneer pay you for warranty repair?
2017-04-13T12:07:08 < ReadError> thats whats up
2017-04-13T12:07:36 < ReadError> i hope MS fixed the linux bash shit w/ windows firewall
2017-04-13T12:11:06 < ReadError> so you got some kind of scheme going on
2017-04-13T12:11:21 < ReadError> you tell the customer to pay and then double dip w/ pioneer
2017-04-13T12:12:26 < emeryth> do you livestream repairs?
2017-04-13T12:12:41 < dongs> that hsould be a nice twatch.tv channel
2017-04-13T12:12:52 < emeryth> so much for transparency then
2017-04-13T12:13:19 < dongs> blank out schematics
2017-04-13T12:13:26 < dongs> just point the cam at your dick
2017-04-13T12:13:36 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/xXwX8Ym
2017-04-13T12:13:46 < aandrew> nice little viz tool, although now I am using a teapot instead
2017-04-13T12:14:00 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-13T12:14:12 < dongs> does it include eevbeg-like commentary
2017-04-13T12:14:13 < ReadError> dont forget to ramble on for 2hrs about nothing
2017-04-13T12:14:18 < ReadError> and how much you hate pioneer
2017-04-13T12:14:49 < ReadError> no no
2017-04-13T12:14:51 < ReadError> for this to work
2017-04-13T12:14:55 < ReadError> you need to HATE them
2017-04-13T12:14:56 < ReadError> just fake it
2017-04-13T12:15:17 < sync_> does it have shot noise like mad as behringer has?
2017-04-13T12:15:29 < dongs> lol behinger
2017-04-13T12:15:42 < ReadError> crt: if it where, you would be out a job
2017-04-13T12:16:10 < dongs> how many pro audio EEs behringer employs
2017-04-13T12:20:19 < PeterM_obile> Nah becuase then maybe their shit wouldnt suck so mucj
2017-04-13T12:20:31 < dongs> they must rely strictly on google AMP
2017-04-13T12:20:34 < dongs> for thier designs
2017-04-13T12:20:41 < dongs> so that'd be like listening to o6 audio advice
2017-04-13T12:22:31 < PeterM_obile> Copypasta google image search audio amp schematics
2017-04-13T12:23:05 < dongs> own what
2017-04-13T12:24:05 < sync_> wut
2017-04-13T12:24:58 < ReadError> lol wtf is AMP
2017-04-13T12:25:01 < ReadError> i keep hearing this
2017-04-13T12:25:06 < ReadError> i must have it
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2017-04-13T12:26:24 < jadew`> I have yet to hear an audio system that makes me think "oh, this sounds so much better than my PC speakers!"
2017-04-13T12:26:57 < PeterM_obile> if you have half decent pc speakers you probably never will
2017-04-13T12:27:24 < jadew`> they're ok, had them for 10+ years
2017-04-13T12:27:27 < jadew`> 5.1 creative
2017-04-13T12:27:48 < dongs> lol 5.1
2017-04-13T12:28:02 < jadew`> dongs, not enough speakers?
2017-04-13T12:29:31 < jadew`> not enough surround bass?
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2017-04-13T12:29:53 < dongs> how much 5.1 porn do you have, JUDEW
2017-04-13T12:30:21 < jadew`> dongs, none, I watch porn on mute
2017-04-13T12:32:41 < jadew`> those nexo ones have a specified flattness of +-3 dB
2017-04-13T12:32:46 < jadew`> isn't that much?
2017-04-13T12:33:10 < jadew`> like from one frequency to the next, the volume can vary up to 4 times
2017-04-13T12:33:27 < dongs> if your porn is on mute, teh fuck does that even matter
2017-04-13T12:33:29 < jadew`> well, the power
2017-04-13T12:33:33 < jadew`> haha
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2017-04-13T12:42:35 < dongs> i think thats the trash i have
2017-04-13T12:43:00 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-13T12:43:11 < dongs> checked my order from SOUNDHOUSE
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2017-04-13T12:47:49 < ohsix> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/307/g3mb_0609-298620.pdf heh, this and clones of it are a dollar on ali
2017-04-13T12:47:54 < ohsix> wtf are they for
2017-04-13T12:48:35 < ohsix> oh haha
2017-04-13T12:49:02 < ohsix> it's a solid state relay, the ali listings suggested it was a dc-ac inverter
2017-04-13T12:49:18 < ohsix> crt: might end up repairing audio gear
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2017-04-13T12:49:32 < ohsix> someone is asking around and it got to me
2017-04-13T12:51:23 < ohsix> no idea about what type or anything, won't find out for a while
2017-04-13T12:52:44 < ohsix> also lul volunteering at a high school thin
2017-04-13T12:52:46 < ohsix> g
2017-04-13T12:53:17 < ohsix> wasn't looking for anything, but there's a t-shirt for the event, i was like ":D" when someone asked my shirt size
2017-04-13T12:53:33 < ohsix> first volunteer thing with real swag
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2017-04-13T12:56:30 < ReadError> think i have some 8ch relays boards with those
2017-04-13T12:57:22 < dongs> those whats
2017-04-13T12:57:27 < dongs> autism relays?
2017-04-13T12:58:00 < dongs> ah yes.
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2017-04-13T12:58:27 < ReadError> you know what would be a cool plugin for your irssi dongs
2017-04-13T12:58:34 < dongs> yeah?
2017-04-13T12:58:40 < ReadError> instead of ignore, make their text black fg black bg
2017-04-13T12:58:53 < dongs> then my text would be like
2017-04-13T12:58:54 < ReadError> so if you really need to you can highlight it to reveal
2017-04-13T12:59:10 < dongs> no, there's nothign I need to see from ampsix
2017-04-13T13:00:05 < ReadError> what happened to your other ignored trannyfriend?
2017-04-13T13:00:10 < ReadError> straight up vanished
2017-04-13T13:00:40 < aandrew> apparently you can do colours in IRC
2017-04-13T13:00:51 < aandrew> something like this?
2017-04-13T13:00:53 < ohsix> if you're gonna put lines in the channel you may as well be fucking with him
2017-04-13T13:00:55 < ohsix> buns
2017-04-13T13:01:10 < ReadError> aandrew: not working here
2017-04-13T13:01:17 < ReadError> colors arent allowed in this chan
2017-04-13T13:01:20 < ohsix> channel is +c
2017-04-13T13:01:22 < ReadError> cuz Steffanx doesnt like fun
2017-04-13T13:01:24 < aandrew> ReadError: it shows up as black on black in my client (irssi)
2017-04-13T13:01:34 < ReadError> ya it will locally
2017-04-13T13:01:40 < aandrew> oic
2017-04-13T13:01:42 < ohsix> infringing on our freedom of experssion
2017-04-13T13:01:51 < dongcopter> 🍆 hard chatters chat like this anyways 💊
2017-04-13T13:01:53 < ohsix> expulsion
2017-04-13T13:02:04 < dongs> wat
2017-04-13T13:02:07 < dongcopter> 🍆 <-- eggplant pill ---> 💊
2017-04-13T13:02:09 < ohsix> lul remember the bonercopter
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2017-04-13T13:02:23 < ohsix> i found out way later that it was a gary kasparov event
2017-04-13T13:03:14 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFcZm7UUYIg
2017-04-13T13:03:24 < ReadError> dongs: can you not see emojis?
2017-04-13T13:04:01 < dongs> # Appears as FLACCID COCK
2017-04-13T13:04:02 < dongs> no
2017-04-13T13:04:03 < dongs> bbl
2017-04-13T13:04:15 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-13T13:04:49 < ohsix> 23.5 days
2017-04-13T13:04:59 < ohsix> ali express for like 40 items, average reception time
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2017-04-13T13:11:11 < PeterM_obile> When did the world decide to go backwards in the evolution of written language to pictographs?
2017-04-13T13:12:23 < Steffanx> I blame you. Mr mobile.
2017-04-13T13:12:31 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/5Gw6ppm.png
2017-04-13T13:12:32 < PeterM_obile> I mean shit, kids today could use ancient egyptian hieroglyphics and it would be the same thing
2017-04-13T13:12:34 < ReadError> yup
2017-04-13T13:12:40 < ReadError> windows is still a piece of shit
2017-04-13T13:12:41 < ReadError> sans update
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2017-04-13T13:13:08 < PeterM_obile> what did i do steff?
2017-04-13T13:13:54 < PeterM_obile> Readerror sure you havent got fucked up settings?
2017-04-13T13:13:59 < ReadError> 100%
2017-04-13T13:14:01 < Steffanx> You support the mobile platform. I bet you have the emoji kb installed too.
2017-04-13T13:14:03 < ReadError> its some known issue
2017-04-13T13:14:17 < ReadError> the WSL cant be allowed through firewall
2017-04-13T13:14:26 < ReadError> since theres no file location or some shit
2017-04-13T13:14:32 < ReadError> so nothing to allow
2017-04-13T13:15:52 < PeterM_obile> Steff no?
2017-04-13T13:17:27 < ReadError> crt sees the mojis
2017-04-13T13:17:53 < PeterM_obile> http://i.imgur.com/OLIoPBA.png
2017-04-13T13:18:41 < ReadError> where is the :) button
2017-04-13T13:18:53 < PeterM_obile> ??
2017-04-13T13:20:12 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/d0vpzJYv/IMG_0006.PNG
2017-04-13T13:20:38 < PeterM_obile> ^ neckyourself
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2017-04-13T13:20:53 < ReadError> sir i will have you know this stuff is OFFICIAL now
2017-04-13T13:21:11 < sync_> hmm crt those nexo speakers don't look too bad
2017-04-13T13:21:11 < ReadError> unicode 8.0 friend
2017-04-13T13:21:21 < PeterM_obile> officially AIDS
2017-04-13T13:21:46 < ReadError> now they have skintone support
2017-04-13T13:22:02 < ReadError> so you can be a black smiley or a tan or a yellow onw
2017-04-13T13:23:01 < ReadError> oh
2017-04-13T13:23:03 < ohsix> h3h
2017-04-13T13:23:05 < ReadError> igot something in the mail the other day
2017-04-13T13:23:09 < ReadError> about a class action
2017-04-13T13:23:14 < ReadError> for capacitors
2017-04-13T13:23:23 < ReadError> i guess i bought some and somehow these fucks got my name
2017-04-13T13:23:24 < ohsix> evolution isn't a ladder, also pictographs are an entire different kingdom!!11lolol
2017-04-13T13:23:32 < ohsix> miss bullshitting all night
2017-04-13T13:23:33 < ohsix> later
2017-04-13T13:23:41 < ReadError> nichicon
2017-04-13T13:25:44 < ReadError> sames as fuck
2017-04-13T13:26:04 < ReadError> well resistors i do anyways
2017-04-13T13:26:10 < ReadError> caps i racemix
2017-04-13T13:26:36 < ReadError> but mostly panasonic on electrolytics
2017-04-13T13:29:06 < dongs> i bought some 220uF 25V china special alu size E or F shits
2017-04-13T13:29:10 < dongs> it was literally like $1 for 100
2017-04-13T13:29:25 < dongs> i only needed like 10
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2017-04-13T13:30:21 < ReadError> '25V' ?
2017-04-13T13:30:24 < ReadError> or 25V
2017-04-13T13:30:31 < dongs> donno, claimed 25V
2017-04-13T13:30:41 < dongs> i only needed it for 5V anyway
2017-04-13T13:30:50 < dongs> LC filter stolen from englishman
2017-04-13T13:31:42 < Steffanx> Clonerware.
2017-04-13T13:36:47 < dongs> dongul8
2017-04-13T13:38:35 < dongs> wrong mix of chatters for that
2017-04-13T13:38:38 < Steffanx> amp!dongs.
2017-04-13T13:38:41 < dongs> only cloners or retards are present
2017-04-13T13:39:15 < Steffanx> Chop shopping.
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2017-04-13T13:43:04 < dongs> pump it up
2017-04-13T13:44:14 < dongs> crt, status of opening twitch.tv/crtprodjtrashrepair
2017-04-13T13:46:48 < Steffanx> I usw that one too
2017-04-13T13:46:53 < Steffanx> Use
2017-04-13T13:51:58 < dongs> more like stonerdj.com
2017-04-13T13:52:00 < dongs> amirite??
2017-04-13T13:52:06 < dongs> [ check out with paypal ]
2017-04-13T13:52:16 < dongs> oh is that AUD
2017-04-13T13:59:47 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/scammer/282136809572
2017-04-13T14:00:16 < dongs> its $2280 online in JP
2017-04-13T14:00:36 < dongs> probably less in USA
2017-04-13T14:00:41 < dongs> since japan prices are retarded
2017-04-13T14:01:50 < dongs> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0Z04WK5878&cm_re=CDJ-2000NXS2-_-9SIA0Z04WK5878-_-Product haha
2017-04-13T14:02:00 < dongs> ah, pair
2017-04-13T14:02:03 < dongs> is that so you can like
2017-04-13T14:02:09 < dongs> twerk twice
2017-04-13T14:02:24 < dongs> still cheaper than JP anyway already
2017-04-13T14:02:29 < dongs> do tehy usualyl use in pairs?
2017-04-13T14:02:31 < dongs> or single
2017-04-13T14:02:57 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AJAGF8Q
2017-04-13T14:03:00 < dongs> ya looks like price fixing
2017-04-13T14:03:08 < dongs> 2199 is what that pair * 2 is on newegg
2017-04-13T14:03:35 < dongs> is there $2000 worth of shit inside?
2017-04-13T14:03:39 < dongs> whatsa driving that color TFT
2017-04-13T14:03:42 < dongs> atmega2560 or something?
2017-04-13T14:03:56 < dongs> or some jappu SuperH shit
2017-04-13T14:04:01 < dongs> running iTRON
2017-04-13T14:04:03 < dongs> more ilke iTROLL
2017-04-13T14:04:21 < dongs> Enhanced, next generation sound with support for FLAC/ALAC files
2017-04-13T14:04:23 < dongs> page closed
2017-04-13T14:04:54 < dongs> ya already lost interest cuz opensauce
2017-04-13T14:05:25 < dongs> why does it have etehrnet
2017-04-13T14:05:33 < dongs> can it go online and download tunes
2017-04-13T14:05:55 < dongs> SuperH
2017-04-13T14:05:56 < dongs> bingo
2017-04-13T14:06:43 < dongs> MCU 32-bit SuperH SH2A-FPU RISC ROMLess 3.3V Automotive 256-Pin LQFP Tray
2017-04-13T14:06:43 < dongs> Verical
2017-04-13T14:06:44 < dongs> The SH7268, SH7269 are high-performance microcontrollers incorporating 266MHz SH2A-FPU cores and have a built-in 2.5-Mbyte large capacity SRAM.
2017-04-13T14:07:55 < dongs> that sounds likes ome panasucknic part
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2017-04-13T14:08:29 < dongs> wiat, there's an actual CD drive in there?
2017-04-13T14:08:31 < dongs> in 2017
2017-04-13T14:08:41 < dongs> i thought it was one of those fake things that just DJs mp3s
2017-04-13T14:09:11 < dongs> terrible
2017-04-13T14:09:17 < dongs> typical overengineered jap design
2017-04-13T14:09:19 < dongs> full of fail
2017-04-13T14:09:30 < dongs> need to blink led? drop down a 256mhz SuperH processor
2017-04-13T14:10:13 < dongs> any quality ATMEL or STM parts in there
2017-04-13T14:11:03 < dongs> mroe renesas trash
2017-04-13T14:11:27 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-13T14:11:34 < dongs> some retarded 16bit core that shouldnt even exist
2017-04-13T14:11:44 < dongs> i'm certain STM32 would do a much better juob at this
2017-04-13T14:12:21 < dongs> heh
2017-04-13T14:13:21 < dongs> probly some jap read analog.com and saw it was good for audio
2017-04-13T14:14:15 < dongs> what happened with your masterplan of emulating drawing cocks on some mixer front panel VFD
2017-04-13T14:14:39 < dongs> i hate it when that happens
2017-04-13T14:14:45 < dongs> my innovation queue is like never-ending list
2017-04-13T14:14:51 < dongs> first in, never out
2017-04-13T14:17:31 < dongs> looks liek my dmxmaster proj is back on track
2017-04-13T14:17:42 < dongs> they want some changes to enclosure then i'll be displaying ceilingcats on TFT again
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2017-04-13T14:28:17 < dongs> judew
2017-04-13T14:35:28 < Laurenceb> jewden
2017-04-13T14:38:17 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/m5uNJfM
2017-04-13T14:42:34 < Steffanx> !notfunnylaurenceb
2017-04-13T14:42:47 < Steffanx> Cant your bot do that englishman ?
2017-04-13T14:42:50 < Steffanx> !wz test
2017-04-13T14:42:52 < dieforirc> [Test Damash, Bangladesh] Clear. Temp is 37°C. South wind: 11 kph.
2017-04-13T14:43:08 < Laurenceb> I'm a funny guy... for you
2017-04-13T14:44:53 < Steffanx> Lol, yeah this is funny indeed :P
2017-04-13T14:49:19 < PeterM_obile> !wz fuck
2017-04-13T14:49:20 < dieforirc> [Fucking, Austria] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 11.7°C. WNW wind: 10.0 kph. Humidity: 70%.
2017-04-13T14:49:29 < PeterM_obile> !wz off
2017-04-13T14:49:30 < dieforirc> [Offenbach, Germany] Overcast. Temp is 11.9°C. WSW wind: 7.2 kph. Humidity: 51%.
2017-04-13T14:49:45 < PeterM_obile> !wz laurenceb
2017-04-13T14:49:45 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-04-13T14:50:05 < Laurenceb> hi PeterM
2017-04-13T14:50:53 < PeterM_obile> Hi amy schumer
2017-04-13T14:51:15 < Laurenceb> ewww
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2017-04-13T15:02:24 < Steffanx> !wz troll
2017-04-13T15:02:25 < dieforirc> [Trollenhagen, Germany] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 9.1°C. NNW wind: 6.0 kph. Humidity: 79%.
2017-04-13T15:07:12 < englishman> 6:00 AM <aandrew> apparently you can do colours in IRC
2017-04-13T15:07:16 < englishman> omg noob
2017-04-13T15:10:55 < Laurenceb> we don't do black
2017-04-13T15:12:41 < Steffanx> Lo
2017-04-13T15:22:57 < englishman> crt, japs sold arm to the arabs
2017-04-13T15:25:01 < Laurenceb> allah armbar
2017-04-13T15:32:41 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/Vu0flOr
2017-04-13T15:45:01 < ReadError> hmm is there no way to move the cursor w/ clicks in putty?
2017-04-13T15:45:12 < ReadError> OSX I can middle click and move the cursor
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2017-04-13T15:49:07 < englishman> what do you need a mouse for in lunix
2017-04-13T15:49:52 < englishman> ReadError: did you know, our pal with the nick starting in d and rhyming with pal doesnt use a mouse ever
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2017-04-13T15:50:33 < Rob235> whats up doods
2017-04-13T15:50:41 < ReadError> d pal
2017-04-13T15:50:42 < Laurenceb> fapping furiously as normal
2017-04-13T15:51:01 < ReadError> nah but see whats pissin me off is the scrollwheel
2017-04-13T15:51:02 < Rob235> good to know nothing has changed
2017-04-13T15:51:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.216] has joined ##stm32
2017-04-13T15:51:23 < ReadError> its like pressing the up arrow in my input box
2017-04-13T15:51:26 < ReadError> instead of scrolling up
2017-04-13T15:51:37 < ReadError> osx term is the best term
2017-04-13T15:51:49 < ReadError> im furious
2017-04-13T15:52:10 < Rob235> Steffanx around?
2017-04-13T15:53:14 < englishman> welcome back rob long time no autism
2017-04-13T15:53:37 < Rob235> haha thanks
2017-04-13T15:54:03 < ReadError> pls sirs help me make putty usable
2017-04-13T15:54:12 < Laurenceb> if ##stm32 was a kitchen https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a26_1492070501
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2017-04-13T15:55:29 < englishman> what does that say
2017-04-13T15:55:33 < englishman> biscuits & downies
2017-04-13T16:02:17 < Rob235> I'm trying to decide what area to focus on for jobs.  full stack web dev seems to have most available jobs but doesn't interest me much, regular system dev more suits what I enjoy,  mobile dev would probably be even more to my liking but probably harder to get into? maybe
2017-04-13T16:18:23 < Steffanx> Yes kinda, why?
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2017-04-13T16:18:43 < Steffanx> Mr Rob235 ?
2017-04-13T16:19:08 < Steffanx> Iterm2 is best ReadError
2017-04-13T16:19:18 < ReadError> yea, but it doesnt run on windows
2017-04-13T16:19:21 < Rob235> just wanted to say hi, so HI!
2017-04-13T16:19:21 < ReadError> unfortunately
2017-04-13T16:19:31 < Rob235> hows everything goin
2017-04-13T16:19:45 < Steffanx> I see nvidia released pascal drivers, time to buy a new gpu
2017-04-13T16:20:02 < Steffanx> Hah hi then Rob235. Here it just "flows"
2017-04-13T16:20:10 < Rob235> anyone play dark souls 3?
2017-04-13T16:20:21 < Rob235> I dont game much but it wont stop crashing
2017-04-13T16:20:45 < Rob235> I saw a couple potential fixes that i'll need to try
2017-04-13T16:21:03 < Steffanx> Nope. Doesnt sound like a game i would play
2017-04-13T16:21:17 < Rob235> what kind do you play
2017-04-13T16:21:19 < ReadError> so why can OSX do all this magical shit
2017-04-13T16:21:31 < ReadError> that nothing on windows seems to be able to do
2017-04-13T16:22:15 < Steffanx> No one ever bothered to make putty2 i guess
2017-04-13T16:24:22 < englishman> probably because windows devs have better things to do
2017-04-13T16:24:58 < englishman> mac and lunix ppl are free to wank over adding mouse support to a text only console
2017-04-13T16:25:14 < Steffanx> Blablabla.
2017-04-13T16:25:57 < englishman> 🐧
2017-04-13T16:26:53 < Steffanx> Did you say something englishman ?
2017-04-13T16:28:55 < Steffanx> Dont go web dev when you dont have to Rob235
2017-04-13T16:29:27 < Rob235> I guess i'll need to master java as Ive only used it a few times, seems to be the goto language right now
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2017-04-13T16:29:47 < Rob235> although I havent done any research in a while
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2017-04-13T16:30:23 < Steffanx> Or C#?
2017-04-13T16:30:27 < Rob235> yea that too
2017-04-13T16:30:39 < Laurenceb> nice, I found a waifu on the internets
2017-04-13T16:30:46 < Steffanx> Java is good for android dev ofcoyrse
2017-04-13T16:31:08 < Rob235> I've done a little iOS programming years ago but havent tried android yet
2017-04-13T16:31:16 < Laurenceb> What I’m doing with my life: I write scribbley books on Hegemony, feminism and social structures .
2017-04-13T16:31:37 < jadew`> the latest firmware update for my rigol scope made the hacked 500 uV range usable \o/
2017-04-13T16:32:09 < Ultrasauce> android is super easy until you try and do something useful
2017-04-13T16:32:12 < Rob235> so I think I'll increase my Java/C# skills and then maybe look into android/iOS
2017-04-13T16:32:27 < Laurenceb> latest update on my pro scope added a "noise floor" to the spectrum view
2017-04-13T16:32:29 < Laurenceb> reeeee
2017-04-13T16:33:51 < jadew`> I wish this one had better FFT, but meh...
2017-04-13T16:34:01 < Rob235> I'm not sure what iOS sdk version I was using but it was probably 5 years ago. I used objective C but I've seen something called swift since then, is that just some kinda framework?
2017-04-13T16:34:34 < Ultrasauce> it's a language, and the fact that it's inspired by python is all you need to know
2017-04-13T16:34:44 < Rob235> so avoid like the plague
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2017-04-13T16:36:13 < jadew`> http://5.12.151.12/stuff/500uV.png
2017-04-13T16:36:43 < Laurenceb> wow not bad
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2017-04-13T16:37:29 < Ultrasauce> hows the flashy hex going rob
2017-04-13T16:38:10 < Rob235> havent worked on it in forever, basically since I got it flying.  Been thinking about starting up again for the past week or so though, since the weather is getting nicer now
2017-04-13T16:39:22 < Rob235> many improvements/additions are needed
2017-04-13T16:45:39 < Rob235> I feel like I should be working on getting ready to finish school or polishing my skills for a job, which I've had no motivation to do lately so I end up doing nothing. I tend to get obsessive if I work on something I enjoy (like the drone) so I feel like it might be a bad idea at the moment.  I need to work on my priority/scheduling abilities :)
2017-04-13T16:47:20 < Ultrasauce> with you on that one
2017-04-13T16:55:38 < Steffanx> Write me some ble app Rob235 for android
2017-04-13T16:56:11 < Rob235> whachu doing?
2017-04-13T16:56:26 < Rob235> what is the range on ble?
2017-04-13T16:58:01 < Ultrasauce> "100m"
2017-04-13T16:58:23 < Laurenceb> so shit then
2017-04-13T17:00:00 < Steffanx> I need some app which i can use to turn my led lightin on and off. All at once
2017-04-13T17:00:13 < Rob235> wait, its equal to or greater than standard bluetooth? wtf?
2017-04-13T17:00:19 < ReadError> woh
2017-04-13T17:00:21 < Rob235> I thought it was gonna be like 1 meter
2017-04-13T17:00:29 < ReadError> the mouse kinda behaves right in RoyalTS Putty
2017-04-13T17:00:43 < Steffanx> But fagdroid 5 does not do ble broadcast/advertising
2017-04-13T17:01:02 < Steffanx> So i need have to make some gatewayish thing.
2017-04-13T17:01:26 < Ultrasauce> just use wifi jesus
2017-04-13T17:01:53 < Steffanx> Battery powered wifi meh.
2017-04-13T17:02:39 < Ultrasauce> oh these are solar lights or something?
2017-04-13T17:03:15 < Steffanx> No, just some led light which have the switch at annoying place (and i wanted to mess with ble)
2017-04-13T17:03:24 < ReadError> so what function is this
2017-04-13T17:03:38 < ReadError> if i have mouse pointer in a nicklist for example and use wheel
2017-04-13T17:03:41 < ReadError> it scrolls that
2017-04-13T17:03:58 < Steffanx> Battery powered xmasish light Ultrasauce
2017-04-13T17:03:58 < ReadError> w/o actually clicking, its like it sends the position somehow
2017-04-13T17:04:13 < Steffanx> Lights*
2017-04-13T17:04:55 < Rob235> I was thinking of putting some ws2812's under my bed, I think I'll use wifi for that though since it will be powered. I havent messed with either bt or wifi yet
2017-04-13T17:05:56 < Steffanx> Wifi is easy.
2017-04-13T17:06:22 < Rob235> I already have a wifi board, esp whatever
2017-04-13T17:06:24 < Laurenceb> Qt seems to make bluetooth almost manageable
2017-04-13T17:06:35 < Ultrasauce> depending on the duty cycle you want to run the leds at i imagine the esp8266 or whatever would be using a pretty small fraction of the battery life
2017-04-13T17:07:08 < Ultrasauce> but i guess if the point is to hammer in that square peg i guess a weird ble hub is a pretty interesting project
2017-04-13T17:08:50 < Rob235> what IDEs do you guys use for stm stuff
2017-04-13T17:09:21 < Rob235> if any
2017-04-13T17:09:41 < Steffanx> LEDs are pretty low current. And some projects arent always supposed to use the best solutions.
2017-04-13T17:10:07 < Steffanx> Pretty low = 50mA at 3.0-3.4V
2017-04-13T17:10:24 < Steffanx> Only on a few hours/day
2017-04-13T17:10:34 < Steffanx> And i wanted to use BLE.
2017-04-13T17:10:45 < Steffanx> Such negativity doesnt suite you Ultrasauce
2017-04-13T17:11:20 < Steffanx> The only ##stm32 correct answer is Keil. Rob235
2017-04-13T17:11:26 < Rob235> figured
2017-04-13T17:11:40 < Ultrasauce> i did try to offset it
2017-04-13T17:12:20 < Ultrasauce> i am still fantasizing about making a household mesh network using the nrf24l01
2017-04-13T17:12:56 < Steffanx> I tend to use sublime and/or eclipse Rob235
2017-04-13T17:14:01 < Rob235> Ive been using CooCocks which is eclipse based and aside from a null pointer exception every time I load it, I really haven't had any problems with it.  Maybe i'll just look into how to set up eclipse myself
2017-04-13T17:14:52 < Steffanx> Windows?
2017-04-13T17:15:30 < Rob235> I'm on os x but I vmware into my bootcamp partition since pretty much every IDE i've come across is windows only
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2017-04-13T17:24:58 < Ultrasauce> i'd say familiarize yourself with the cli tools at the very least to take the magic out of the ide
2017-04-13T17:25:03 < Ultrasauce> but that is coming from a filthy loonix user
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2017-04-13T17:27:51 < Rob235> still good advice
2017-04-13T17:44:55 < Steffanx> You can do that on osx just as well :)
2017-04-13T17:54:29 < Rob235> what about uploading to the chip? what do you use, stlink utility or something?
2017-04-13T17:54:37 < Steffanx> Openocd
2017-04-13T17:54:45 < Rob235> and there is mac support
2017-04-13T17:54:51 < Steffanx> Ofcourse.
2017-04-13T17:54:55 < Rob235> nice ok
2017-04-13T17:54:58 < Rob235> that makes things easier
2017-04-13T17:55:17 < Steffanx> Its in brew too, not sure you like that though
2017-04-13T17:55:57 < englishman> hows the burnout Ultrasauce o/
2017-04-13T17:56:14 < englishman> that feeling when you got all these projects but none of them require finishing
2017-04-13T17:57:17 < Steffanx> Lol, you expect his status to change in one day englishman ?
2017-04-13T17:57:24 < englishman> nah
2017-04-13T17:57:36 < englishman> it doesnt work like that
2017-04-13T17:57:37 < Steffanx> Just showing interest? ;)
2017-04-13T17:57:43 < englishman> not even waffles can cure burnout
2017-04-13T17:57:52 < Ultrasauce> they couldnt hurt
2017-04-13T17:58:11 < Rob235> ok I did brew install openocd, i'll have to look into it later
2017-04-13T17:58:25 < Steffanx> Did you hear that yet Ultrasauce? There is this guy that ships stroopwaffles all over the word
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2017-04-13T17:58:30 < Ultrasauce> :o
2017-04-13T17:58:50 < englishman> i gained 86lbs since steffan's burnout care package arrived
2017-04-13T17:58:55 < Steffanx> englishman got 1.5kg.
2017-04-13T17:59:08 < Rob235> I wish I could gain 86lbs
2017-04-13T18:00:06 < Ultrasauce> i did find a neat quadrature vco design today so there's that
2017-04-13T18:01:22 < emeb> what freq range?
2017-04-13T18:02:14 < Ultrasauce> docs don't say the upper limit, lower is about 0.03hz apparently
2017-04-13T18:02:26 < emeb> Audio then?
2017-04-13T18:02:41 < Ultrasauce> yeah i'm building a modular from scratch
2017-04-13T18:02:54 < emeb> cool. what format?
2017-04-13T18:03:20 < Ultrasauce> nonconformant
2017-04-13T18:03:38 < Ultrasauce> dotcom-ish
2017-04-13T18:03:48 < emeb> big stuff then.
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2017-04-13T18:06:16 < englishman> emeb: re, cholesterol intake. it turns out 400 years of eating pig grease on toast has a beneficial effect http://www.cantechletter.com/2016/03/french-canadian-arteries/
2017-04-13T18:06:17 < sync_> Rob235: you can easily do that
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2017-04-13T18:07:33 < emeb> englishman: that which doesn't kill you...
2017-04-13T18:07:47 < Rob235> sync_: not really
2017-04-13T18:08:28 < sync_> just increase your caloric intake to 6000kcal per day and you will get fat very quickly
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2017-04-13T18:14:31 < sync_> Rob235: and easy way to do it is to lace your drinks with loads of maltodextrin
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2017-04-13T19:26:56 < Laurenceb> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_Vs2rjE9TdwR2F3NFFVWDExMnc/view
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2017-04-13T19:35:33 < Steffanx> Your USA obsession is getting annoying mr Laurenceb.
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2017-04-13T19:37:17 < branjb> so turns out when you are trying to reroute printf/scanf to a usart
2017-04-13T19:37:23 < branjb> you have to select the correct usart
2017-04-13T19:37:26 < branjb> rip 2 hours
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2017-04-13T19:37:55 < Steffanx> sounds like the correct way, yes
2017-04-13T19:38:34 < Ultrasauce> you may or may not find that you have to enable the usart too
2017-04-13T19:38:42 < branjb> lol
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2017-04-13T19:43:56 < branjb> next question:  using baud 115200, i now get printf/scanf redirection to a terminal.  terminal is set at baud 115200, but what i see on the terminal is the same garbled stuff that you normally see when your baud rate is wrong
2017-04-13T19:43:59 < branjb> any more gotchas?
2017-04-13T19:44:14 < englishman> 8n1?
2017-04-13T19:49:01 < Ultrasauce> i'd verify the baud rate using a scope or LA. clock tree could be configured differently from whatever the logic that sets your uart's divider expects
2017-04-13T19:49:05 < Steffanx> and you are sure your baudrate is actually 115k2?
2017-04-13T19:49:10 < Steffanx> what Ultrasauce said
2017-04-13T19:50:50 < branjb> yeah
2017-04-13T19:51:12 < branjb> idk i broke other shit so i need to fix that before i get back to it
2017-04-13T19:51:16 < englishman> logic analuzer is #1
2017-04-13T19:52:56 < Laurenceb> lul I just had warning on my lunix machine that one of my drives is almost full
2017-04-13T19:53:15 < branjb> oops
2017-04-13T19:53:20 < branjb> turns out i was using wrong pins
2017-04-13T19:53:21 < branjb> lmao
2017-04-13T19:53:24 < Laurenceb> its a 180TB shared drive hosted on nhs fileserver
2017-04-13T19:53:31 < Laurenceb> 2MB left...
2017-04-13T19:53:36 < englishman> cryptolocker
2017-04-13T19:53:53 < Laurenceb> lul yeah there is 0 security
2017-04-13T19:54:01 < Laurenceb> I can see everyones files
2017-04-13T19:54:56 < Laurenceb> looks like everyone is on holiday now, pity cuz I want to see it break for the lulz
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2017-04-13T19:55:25 < sync_> our NAS is known for eating files during backups
2017-04-13T19:55:28 < sync_> for whatever reason
2017-04-13T19:55:51 < sync_> somehow it manages to create race conditions and then just silently deletes the files
2017-04-13T19:56:19 < Laurenceb> I can see all printers at nhs hospitals in uk for some reason
2017-04-13T19:56:27 < Laurenceb> trolling potential is immense
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2017-04-13T19:57:36 < Laurenceb> lt;dr: I got my lunix box set up so anyone in a hospital can see it as a network drive and upload files, now I have some crazy network access settings due to n00b admins
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2017-04-13T19:59:31 < Steffanx> and what kind of files are you talking about Laurenceb?
2017-04-13T20:00:37 < Steffanx> patient files or what?
2017-04-13T20:00:55 < Laurenceb> stuff from dataloggers
2017-04-13T20:01:07 < Laurenceb> lets see
2017-04-13T20:01:08 < Laurenceb> hmmm
2017-04-13T20:01:18 < Laurenceb> photos of genital surgery on children
2017-04-13T20:01:44 < Ultrasauce> that went from 0-10 pretty quick
2017-04-13T20:01:46 < Laurenceb> I'll upload some
2017-04-13T20:01:55 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/w6BZE.gif
2017-04-13T20:01:57 < Laurenceb> there
2017-04-13T20:02:07 < Steffanx> do i wwant to see?
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2017-04-13T20:04:08 < Laurenceb> https://imagebin.ca/v/3IwyFIovlLOL
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2017-04-13T20:05:25 < Steffanx> Interesting output though.
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2017-04-13T20:05:33 < Steffanx> his E turned into an e.
2017-04-13T20:05:57 < Steffanx> actually an entire word changed.
2017-04-13T20:06:14 < Laurenceb> whiteboard opposite my desk
2017-04-13T20:06:24 < Steffanx> but it cant be closer to the truth.
2017-04-13T20:06:25 < Laurenceb> you can see my lair is very pretty
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2017-04-13T20:17:36 < Steffanx> the stuff on the right is the stuff you get high on Laurenceb?
2017-04-13T20:18:11 < Laurenceb> correct
2017-04-13T20:29:48 < BrainDamage> I can only approve
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2017-04-13T20:30:47 < BrainDamage> I had to interface with dlls with labview for my bachelor thesis
2017-04-13T20:30:50 < BrainDamage> never.again.
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2017-04-13T23:22:46 < Lux> is labview actually used anywhere else except universities ?
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2017-04-13T23:34:59 < emeb> It wasy used in product testing at one of the companies I worked at a while back.
2017-04-13T23:35:30 < emeb> the test engineers would set up fairly complex testing programs using labview controlling the benchtop equipment.
2017-04-13T23:37:15 < Steffanx> Ive seen it doing industrial stuff too Lux.
2017-04-13T23:38:00 < Steffanx> I bet it often starts as a simple proof of concept and then gets actually used.. And then it suddenly drivers an important part of your factory
2017-04-13T23:38:44 < Lux> yeah that's what i've seen so far
2017-04-13T23:39:17 < Lux> luckily i never had to use labview up to now :)
2017-04-13T23:49:53 < englishman> yes Lux :(
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2017-04-14T02:44:26 < Laurenceb_> dead in here
2017-04-14T02:44:36 < Laurenceb_> gassed by Gassad ?
2017-04-14T02:55:19 < upgrdman> got an email from intel today. "Python* Optimized for HPC
2017-04-14T02:55:19 < upgrdman> Is Python* overtaking Java* as the most popular programming language for HPC applications? Learn why it just might." lolwut
2017-04-14T02:55:39 < upgrdman> people use python for HPC???!?!?!?!?!
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2017-04-14T02:58:30 < Laurenceb_> what the actual fuck
2017-04-14T02:58:42 < Laurenceb_> or Java even...
2017-04-14T02:58:53 < Laurenceb_> we have used matlab once or twice
2017-04-14T02:59:08 < Laurenceb_> as we have time on some system but are too lazy to write good code
2017-04-14T02:59:20 < upgrdman> ya java is pretty wtf for that too, but at least it has a decent JIT
2017-04-14T02:59:28 < upgrdman> does python have a JIT?
2017-04-14T02:59:39 < BrainDamage> yes but not decent
2017-04-14T02:59:43 < upgrdman> ah
2017-04-14T02:59:48 < Laurenceb_> you can compile python tho?
2017-04-14T03:02:45 < BrainDamage> not to a static binary
2017-04-14T03:03:15 < BrainDamage> or rather, not directly
2017-04-14T03:04:03 < BrainDamage> you can translate python to c, and compile the c code
2017-04-14T03:04:26 < Laurenceb_> what is .pyc  ?
2017-04-14T03:04:47 < BrainDamage> a bytecode file
2017-04-14T03:05:02 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-04-14T03:05:50 < BrainDamage> http://cython.org/ for c translation and http://pypy.org/ for jit compilation
2017-04-14T03:06:23 < englishman> people use java?
2017-04-14T03:06:47 < Laurenceb_> mad, mad people
2017-04-14T03:06:47 < BrainDamage> I've only used python as a numeric/cas tought, due to my allergy to matlab's syntax
2017-04-14T03:07:02 < Laurenceb_> heh I love matlab syntax
2017-04-14T03:08:33 < Laurenceb_> I'm allergic to python syntax :P
2017-04-14T03:08:54 < Laurenceb_> I'm also allergic to matlab gui
2017-04-14T03:09:06 < Laurenceb_> it causes eye cancer
2017-04-14T03:09:16 < upgrdman> i wonder if the java hpc people are using JNI for the "real" work, or actually doing pure java
2017-04-14T03:09:19 < BrainDamage> yes, I bet you love doing integrals using trapezoids method in methlab
2017-04-14T03:09:28 < Laurenceb_> teehee
2017-04-14T03:09:57 < BrainDamage> srsly, who named that 100% did it intentionally
2017-04-14T03:10:25 < Laurenceb_> command line matlab with your favourite text editor/ide is very nice for quick and dirty prototyping
2017-04-14T03:11:44 < Laurenceb_> the gui is full of aids and I can't even work out wtf is supposed to be going on
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2017-04-14T03:14:49 < Laurenceb_> or just use gnu-octave
2017-04-14T03:16:49 < Laurenceb_> I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Octave, is in fact, GNU/Octave, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Octave. Octave is not Matlab unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU implementation of Matlab made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full system as defined by POSIX.
2017-04-14T03:17:34 < BrainDamage> octave: when you want 95% of compatibility with matlab's syntax and the rest 5% just because fuck you we decided we're not a matlab clone
2017-04-14T03:18:07 < Laurenceb_> I actually like the plotting
2017-04-14T03:18:27 < BrainDamage> using gnuplot?
2017-04-14T03:18:33 < Laurenceb_> its a massive pita with inconsistent syntax, but produces nicer looking results than matlab
2017-04-14T03:18:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-04-14T03:19:02 < BrainDamage> gnuplot by itself is consistent, the problm is that they wrapped it only partially
2017-04-14T03:19:15 < BrainDamage> so you have this mix of gnuplot syntax and matlab
2017-04-14T03:19:17 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-04-14T03:20:52 < PeterM_obile> I gotta say i like a lot of the lazier things about octave, like it isnt as picky with brackets
2017-04-14T03:22:01 < Laurenceb_> all my datalogger back end is written in octave
2017-04-14T03:22:11 < Laurenceb_> with a tiny amount of copypastad bash
2017-04-14T03:23:10 < Laurenceb_> dramaz ->  https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/60mwak/who_received_a_diy_test_kit_from/
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2017-04-14T03:44:20 < dongs> so early and you're already stoned
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2017-04-14T03:55:21 < Laurenceb_> story of crt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ChDDLTdR4
2017-04-14T03:57:16 < englishman> they said I could be anything I wanted to be, so I became a irc
2017-04-14T03:58:37 < dongs> http://www.jiunan.com.tw/en/defense/MulticopterDefender.html
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2017-04-14T03:59:29 < englishman> crt repair shop http://i.imgur.com/zZIbDrd.jpg
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2017-04-14T04:10:17 < dongs> why bother if its official parts and your repair costs a lot anyway
2017-04-14T04:10:23 < PeterM_obile> You dont have a soldering?
2017-04-14T04:10:37 < englishman> pee term
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2017-04-14T04:16:01 < Rob235> oi
2017-04-14T04:25:41 < aandrew> https://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/i1Gs4CNa2r_wYdG1MVO7xFg6uvIM4mbjcjT3N-0g9Gc.jpg?w=680
2017-04-14T04:40:46 < dongs> AN IMMINENT EVENT IS SENDIGN THIS STOCK PRICE THROUGH TEH ROOF
2017-04-14T04:40:59 < dongs> (ubuntu laying off 99% of their staff)
2017-04-14T04:41:58 < englishman> which also was the % of people working on unity
2017-04-14T04:42:48 < dongs> lunix coders actually "work"?
2017-04-14T04:42:57 < dongs> I thought they just spent most of thier time deciding which license to use
2017-04-14T04:43:01 < dongs> and if its GPL-compatible or not
2017-04-14T04:43:14 < dongs> then spend the rest of the day rewriting license headers in every souce file
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2017-04-14T05:10:04 < ReadError> i pray
2017-04-14T05:10:20 < ReadError> that there comes, a decent windows terminal application
2017-04-14T05:10:35 < dongs> beacuse its completely necessary for daily windows use
2017-04-14T05:10:56 < ReadError> 2017 is the year of the command line
2017-04-14T05:11:40 < aandrew> mobaxterm isn't bad
2017-04-14T05:11:53 < ReadError> its not bad but its not great either
2017-04-14T05:12:19 < ReadError> like theres no way to disable the right click and pass it though
2017-04-14T05:12:30 < dongs> ?
2017-04-14T05:13:00 < ReadError> securecrt and terminal.app, you can right click in some apps and its functional for example
2017-04-14T05:13:14 < ReadError> or middle click places and the cursor will go there etc
2017-04-14T05:13:48 < ReadError> or command+r to enable/disable mouse shit completely
2017-04-14T05:15:26 < PeterM_obile> You can use the toaster in the bathtub trick to disable the mouse shit
2017-04-14T05:19:01 < ReadError> i normally just jam my pecker in the toaster
2017-04-14T05:19:06 < ReadError> saves me from drying off
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2017-04-14T07:45:53 < ohsix> hm
2017-04-14T07:46:06 < ohsix> what are the enclosures weather stations are in, they look like plates, i need some
2017-04-14T07:47:19 < ohsix> stevenson screen
2017-04-14T07:48:52 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevenson_screen
2017-04-14T07:49:09 < ohsix> might be making a distributed sensor thing for particulate matter
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2017-04-14T07:59:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zXZ3Riu.png hmm
2017-04-14T07:59:23 < dongs> very interesting, such sharp rolloff
2017-04-14T07:59:49 < ohsix> http://aqicn.org/sensor/ nice
2017-04-14T08:00:12 < dongs> all 3 are 8PSK modulations
2017-04-14T08:00:41 < ohsix> have to use ones with fans tho, the others use heater resistors to draw air in and that's a lot of juice
2017-04-14T08:04:29 < ReadError> sounds like ur getting into the STONING industry
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2017-04-14T08:13:17 < ReadError> MS needs to fuck off with this windows defender rape
2017-04-14T08:15:04 < dongs> upgraded to cretin edition?
2017-04-14T08:15:18 < ReadError> ya and they removed the option to disable that shit
2017-04-14T08:15:24 < ReadError> in gpedit now i guess
2017-04-14T08:15:26 < dongs> it was never there
2017-04-14T08:15:30 < dongs> its always been in gpedit
2017-04-14T08:15:35 < ReadError> hmm i had it off somehow before
2017-04-14T08:15:55 < ReadError> but its onaccess scanning is bad and useless
2017-04-14T08:16:34 < dongs> so fucking lol. no extra charge for .15mm drill/0.1mm trace/space on flexpcb
2017-04-14T08:16:43 < dongs> sounds liek I can make some nice 0.4mm pitch bga boards with just flexipcb
2017-04-14T08:16:58 < dongs> RIP fr4
2017-04-14T08:17:15 < ReadError> too bad korea will be WIPED soon
2017-04-14T08:17:30 < dongs> will need to figure out a way how to make it play nicely with assembly tho
2017-04-14T08:18:20 < ReadError> my PCB guy emailed me about doing assembly now
2017-04-14T08:18:29 < ReadError> w/ a huge list of other customers emails
2017-04-14T08:18:36 < ReadError> ;x
2017-04-14T08:19:15 < dongs> surely handplacing one-offs at home is much cheaper than farming it off to somewehre else
2017-04-14T08:19:19 < dongs> cuz prototypes and all that
2017-04-14T08:21:59 < ReadError> certainly
2017-04-14T08:22:22 < ReadError> wonder how the koreans are at sourcing tho
2017-04-14T08:24:49 < ReadError> hmm wonder if gcc 5.4 is usable yet
2017-04-14T08:26:02 < ReadError> last time i had issues w/ LTO
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2017-04-14T08:35:26 < ohsix> gcc version 6.3.1 20161221 (Red Hat 6.3.1-1) (GCC)
2017-04-14T08:35:31 < ohsix> what still uses 5.4
2017-04-14T08:36:01 < ohsix> arm-none-eabi is 6.2
2017-04-14T08:36:23 < ohsix> ali outlier (42 days) makes the average ~24 :\
2017-04-14T08:37:14 < ReadError> well thats what i had last
2017-04-14T08:37:26 < ReadError> i want shit that works not bleedinganus
2017-04-14T08:37:44 < ohsix> fuuuuu
2017-04-14T08:37:52 < ohsix> forgot to return a library book
2017-04-14T08:38:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, wut. people still borrow library books these days?
2017-04-14T08:39:18 < dongs> almost as useful as google amp
2017-04-14T08:40:35 < upgrdman> i remember stopping by the long beach main library a couple years ago to check it out
2017-04-14T08:40:40 < upgrdman> fucking infested with bums
2017-04-14T08:40:48 < upgrdman> turned right the fuck around and left
2017-04-14T08:41:52 < dongs> sounds ilke o6 would feel right at home there then
2017-04-14T08:42:45 < ohsix> this book isn't even slow to read, just haven't got to it
2017-04-14T08:42:49 < ohsix> upgrdman: yea
2017-04-14T08:43:08 < ohsix> libraries are curated at some level, so it can help to focus
2017-04-14T08:43:45 < ohsix> lul that same library was my only internet access in like 98 for a while
2017-04-14T08:44:10 < ohsix> definitely recommend using the library
2017-04-14T08:44:24 < ohsix> they'll put books you request on the shelf :p
2017-04-14T08:44:32 < ohsix> and interlibrary loan can get some crazy shit
2017-04-14T08:46:02 < ohsix> oof
2017-04-14T08:46:11 < ohsix> chrome has grown to consume my 16 megagiggers
2017-04-14T08:47:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, heh, my chrome seems to be 32bit and tabs crash if chrome uses >4GB, even those i have 32GB
2017-04-14T08:49:42 < dongs> when was the last time you reinstalled windows
2017-04-14T08:51:18 < ohsix> i don't even know how google does that shit, couldn't they have the tab instance be either and install both
2017-04-14T09:05:02 < aandrew> upgrdman: do you know how to reverse the direction of a rotation in a quaternion? e.g. if I'm rotating clockwise but the rotation is showing counterclockwise
2017-04-14T09:05:09 < aandrew> it's trivial to do with euler
2017-04-14T09:05:12 < aandrew> but Im lost on quat
2017-04-14T09:05:59 < upgrdman> aandrew, hmm i had that problem
2017-04-14T09:06:05 < upgrdman> lemme see what i did.
2017-04-14T09:06:29 < aandrew> the obvious slution is to convert to euler, invert the angle, convert back to quat
2017-04-14T09:06:33 < aandrew> but that's ghey
2017-04-14T09:06:40 < upgrdman> ya dont do that
2017-04-14T09:06:49 < upgrdman> euler is horrible for >1axis rotations
2017-04-14T09:08:03 < upgrdman> oh, lol, i took the easy way out and just inverted my gyro/accel readings before converted to a quat
2017-04-14T09:10:52 < upgrdman> aandrew, maybe you can multiple with a quat that is like 180degrees
2017-04-14T09:10:56 < aandrew> haha
2017-04-14T09:11:21 < aandrew> hm that might work
2017-04-14T09:12:09 < upgrdman> and iirc the order matters. so try yourQuat*some180quat, and if its wrong, try some180quat*yourQuat
2017-04-14T09:24:47 < upgrdman> aandrew, bonus tip: ##opengl has some useful people, and quats are used in graphics a lot.
2017-04-14T09:25:10 < aandrew> *nods* I remember that in myr eading
2017-04-14T09:28:22 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/dongs/32704046527.html
2017-04-14T09:28:57 < upgrdman> that was creepy
2017-04-14T09:29:19 < dongs> thats fuckin awesome
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2017-04-14T09:30:06 < Thorn> wtf is 'correction capacitor' from Chinglish https://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Correction-capacitor/430356_502194442.html?spm=2114.12010612.0.0.Yh3TwI
2017-04-14T09:30:10 < upgrdman> dongs, agree
2017-04-14T09:30:12 < Thorn> film?
2017-04-14T09:30:30 < upgrdman> dongs, you should buy a dozen of them and put them in a candy bowl at your desk
2017-04-14T09:30:59 < ohsix> moar class action http://capacitorsindirectcase.com/
2017-04-14T09:31:03 < upgrdman> although $32 each isnt a very china price
2017-04-14T09:31:31 < upgrdman> Thorn, maybe precision
2017-04-14T09:31:33 < dongs> maybe jason is getting a cut
2017-04-14T09:31:55 < ohsix> aandrew: doesn't that slerp have an alpha value? can't you keep some around that point in certain ways then just slerp from where you are
2017-04-14T09:32:22 < ohsix> alpha = 0,1 start,finish
2017-04-14T09:32:28 < dongs> Thorn: power factor correction capacitor
2017-04-14T09:33:07 < ohsix> aandrew: flipping the sign of w doesn't do it?
2017-04-14T09:33:22 < ohsix> saw something about that when i was looking for stuff last time
2017-04-14T09:33:27 < upgrdman> dongs, are little film caps used for PFC?
2017-04-14T09:33:30 < ohsix> also did you get that quaternion book lul, there's a whole book
2017-04-14T09:33:55 < ohsix> aandrew: http://libgen.me/view.php?id=305148
2017-04-14T09:34:53 < dongs> fuck knows.
2017-04-14T09:35:05 < dongs> maybe the fact that theres only like 10 of them from same store means they just mislabeled shit
2017-04-14T09:35:11 < dongs> but thats what a correction capacitor is
2017-04-14T09:35:43 < dongs> that pic just looks like interference suppression caps
2017-04-14T09:35:53 < dongs> the shit you put on L/N to reduce emi/noise
2017-04-14T09:36:01 < dongs> like X/Y/whatever caps
2017-04-14T09:38:02 < Thorn> that is https://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Safety-capacitor/430356_502425888.html?spm=2114.12010612.0.0.TVEZ6H
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2017-04-14T09:38:23 < ohsix> it's weird to see nec in this lawsuit shit
2017-04-14T09:39:39 < dongs> upgrdman: also, my AC guy says yes
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2017-04-14T09:39:58 < dongs> the dickstarter proj im working on has 2 of htem on the board, they're actualyl smaller than X2 cap for noise filtering
2017-04-14T09:40:05 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-14T09:40:30 < ohsix> o shi https://uschinatradewar.com/files/2014/10/JAPAN-PRICE-FIXING-ALUMINUM-CAPACITERS.pdf that defendents list
2017-04-14T09:40:36 < ohsix> haha nice domain
2017-04-14T09:41:16 < ohsix> out of time again
2017-04-14T09:41:21 < ohsix> what's new upgrdman anything cool
2017-04-14T09:42:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, innovated a lil with my telemetryviewer, but ive been busy with real work projects so im kinda burned out on hobby projects
2017-04-14T09:42:31 < upgrdman> so i've just been bumming around at home watching youtube videos and not much else
2017-04-14T09:43:02 < dongs> i discovered the internet the other day
2017-04-14T09:43:08 < dongs> spent entire day watching jewtub
2017-04-14T09:43:24 < ohsix> werd
2017-04-14T09:43:30 < dongs> all i wanted to see was if some jappu beatboxer had an event nearby soon-ish
2017-04-14T09:43:33 < upgrdman> crt, sub'd, lol
2017-04-14T09:43:34 < ohsix> i got some radios
2017-04-14T09:43:39 < dongs> then i got on twatter and starter clicking stuff
2017-04-14T09:43:41 < upgrdman> but his recent vids are shit
2017-04-14T09:43:48 < ohsix> need to find out something interesting and mesh-y to do with them
2017-04-14T09:43:56 < dongs> that was the end of productivity for that day
2017-04-14T09:44:01 < dongs> www.patreon.com/crt
2017-04-14T09:44:39 < ohsix> the synoxo receiver chip, the syn480 or whatever is p. good
2017-04-14T09:44:44 < ohsix> gonna get some of the transmitters
2017-04-14T09:44:52 < ohsix> the cheap as shit ones work ok too
2017-04-14T09:44:57 < ohsix> but at 3v no bueno
2017-04-14T09:45:31 < dongs> wat
2017-04-14T09:46:06 < upgrdman> crt, youtube red, or adblockplus are things
2017-04-14T09:46:15 < ohsix> these things https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5Pcs-433Mhz-RF-transmitter-and-receiver-link-kit-for-Arduino-ARM-MCU-WL/32666211893.html
2017-04-14T09:46:19 < dongs> nobody is forcing you to enable ads on jewtube
2017-04-14T09:46:24 < dongs> whyen you upload
2017-04-14T09:46:33 < dongs> if you dont monetize your shit doesnt show ads, right?
2017-04-14T09:46:41 < dongs> unless you have some copyrighted shit in teh vid
2017-04-14T09:46:44 < dongs> and creator wants to show ads over it
2017-04-14T09:47:00 < ohsix> thsoe SAW filters on the transmitters are why they were possibly 20$/set in the 90s ;p
2017-04-14T09:47:07 < dongs> but if you use kevin macleod muzak in your shit you're all clear
2017-04-14T09:47:50 < upgrdman> or just blast 009 sound system in your vids
2017-04-14T09:48:17 < upgrdman> R2COM, sup bro
2017-04-14T09:48:37 < upgrdman> just put this in a loop in your youtube vids   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfS5zVfGBc
2017-04-14T09:49:08 < dongs> upgrdman: thanks you just trashed my jewtube
2017-04-14T09:49:17 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-14T09:49:21 < dongs> srslty
2017-04-14T09:49:23 < dongs> it doesnt play
2017-04-14T09:49:38 < upgrdman> dongs, just gooogle 009 Sound System Dreamscape
2017-04-14T09:50:00 < upgrdman> its the classic song in ~all old youtube vids
2017-04-14T09:50:12 < dongs> what teh fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk
2017-04-14T09:50:15 < dongs> all results of that stuff
2017-04-14T09:50:16 < dongs> do NOT PLAY
2017-04-14T09:50:19 < dongs> it buffers
2017-04-14T09:50:22 < dongs> but time stays at 0:00
2017-04-14T09:50:32 < dongs> i'v ebeen fucking hacked
2017-04-14T09:50:51 < upgrdman> dongs, does this play   https://youtu.be/vTIIMJ9tUc8?t=26
2017-04-14T09:51:27 < dongs> ........................................
2017-04-14T09:51:30 < dongs> W T F
2017-04-14T09:51:31 < dongs> no
2017-04-14T09:51:51 < dongs> k something is busted
2017-04-14T09:51:52 < upgrdman> lol did win10 creators fapdate bork your box
2017-04-14T09:51:54 < dongs> even restarted chroem
2017-04-14T09:53:11 < ohsix> sup innovators https://www.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/browse
2017-04-14T09:53:43 < dongs> If playback doesnt begin shortly try restarting  your device
2017-04-14T09:55:29 < ohsix> https://www.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/9933952 lol that diagram
2017-04-14T09:55:39 < ohsix> boobies
2017-04-14T09:56:05 < ohsix> anyways that innocentive thing is legit if you want some decent size grant money to solve soem research/design shit
2017-04-14T09:56:43 < ohsix> also some of this https://www.challenge.gov/list/
2017-04-14T10:00:26 < ohsix> if any of you dweebs find anything we could do i'd be interested
2017-04-14T10:00:30 < ohsix> cya
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2017-04-14T10:07:09 < Streaker> is that yours?
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2017-04-14T10:30:22 < Steffanx> Dont take photos of pussies that arent yours crt
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2017-04-14T12:15:21 < dongs> my jewtube f inally w orks
2017-04-14T12:15:23 < dongs> after rebooting
2017-04-14T12:15:35 < ReadError> my chrome has been completely fucked lately
2017-04-14T12:15:43 < dongs> yeah i'd switch to edge
2017-04-14T12:15:44 < ReadError> like way more fucked than normal
2017-04-14T12:15:47 < dongs> but my microsoft informant lied
2017-04-14T12:15:52 < ReadError> need to reboot i think
2017-04-14T12:15:55 < dongs> he said they would get keyboard hotkeys in rightclick menus in edge
2017-04-14T12:15:59 < dongs> in cretin update
2017-04-14T12:16:05 < dongs> tried cretin update: no hotkeys whatsoever
2017-04-14T12:16:10 < dongs> fucking scam'd
2017-04-14T12:16:13 < dongs> edge is ded 2 me
2017-04-14T12:16:37 < ReadError> [readerror.CARBIDE] ➤ uptime
2017-04-14T12:16:38 < ReadError>  05:16:25 up 25 days, 12:52,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
2017-04-14T12:16:42 < ReadError> bout that time
2017-04-14T12:21:11 < ReadError> that damn scrolling bug has been poppin up too
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2017-04-14T12:30:28 < ReadError> btw dongs http://i.imgur.com/rPBV16Z.png
2017-04-14T12:30:35 < ReadError> this is what they removed
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2017-04-14T12:35:31 < Steffanx> Removed? Why remove that ReadError?
2017-04-14T12:35:51 < ReadError> they did in the newest win10 update
2017-04-14T12:35:57 < ReadError> you cant turn it off unless you gpedit
2017-04-14T12:36:02 < ReadError> ^.^
2017-04-14T12:36:22 < Steffanx> Achso
2017-04-14T12:36:55 < ReadError> = ack ?
2017-04-14T12:37:10 < Steffanx> More like: oh, ok.
2017-04-14T12:37:16 < ReadError> ah
2017-04-14T12:37:24 < ReadError> yea, really stupid tho
2017-04-14T12:37:35 < ReadError> im okay w/ having stuff on by default
2017-04-14T12:37:43 < ReadError> but dont make it a huge PITA to turn it off
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2017-04-14T13:06:37 < Steffanx> 666
2017-04-14T13:06:43 < Steffanx> Hi crt
2017-04-14T13:12:10 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/gallery/naxKG
2017-04-14T13:13:03 < Steffanx> Lolled Thorn
2017-04-14T13:25:03 < Steffanx> Y
2017-04-14T13:27:05 < Steffanx> Look look Laurenceb that what Thorn posted is more lvl funny
2017-04-14T13:34:03 < Steffanx> Skip: that, and it should parsd
2017-04-14T13:34:06 < Steffanx> Parse
2017-04-14T13:34:14 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/mdoXLU5.jpg
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2017-04-14T14:42:13 < Steffanx> Iggy who, crt?
2017-04-14T15:12:56 < dongs> niggy
2017-04-14T15:16:25 < Steffanx> I fucking hate lpc examples.
2017-04-14T15:17:03 < dongs> there are examples?
2017-04-14T15:17:10 < dongs> what framework does NXP want you to use for that shit anyway
2017-04-14T15:17:30 < dongs> last I looked they had some CMSIS-like stuff header and a shitty lib that mbed imported ages ago but is now unmaintained
2017-04-14T15:17:37 < Steffanx> Lpcopen
2017-04-14T15:17:50 < dongs> ah int eresting
2017-04-14T15:18:09 < dongs> Release Date: 03/13/2014
2017-04-14T15:18:11 < dongs> ,......
2017-04-14T15:18:20 < Steffanx> Yeah. But old chips are old
2017-04-14T15:19:15 < Steffanx> Anyway, i hate it because it uses some board file which is the same for all examples, which initializes clocks etc.
2017-04-14T15:19:28 < dongs> so like system_stm32f1.c?
2017-04-14T15:19:35 < dongs> IAR EWARM 6.70.1
2017-04-14T15:19:36 < dongs> Keil MDK-ARM v4.73a
2017-04-14T15:19:40 < Steffanx> So its unclear what clock is enabled for what peripheral
2017-04-14T15:19:41 < dongs> nice IDE support
2017-04-14T15:20:10 < Steffanx> Because they just enable all, or almost all of them
2017-04-14T15:20:57 < dongs> last time i touched shit i used LPC17xxLib
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2017-04-14T15:34:45 < jpa-> i've been using baby wipes so far but maybe LPC17xxLib would work better for shit-touching
2017-04-14T15:35:04 < dongs> im pretty sure its even less maintained than nxpopen thing
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2017-04-14T15:38:09 < Laurenceb_> t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m
2017-04-14T15:38:25 < tpw_rules> me too thanks
2017-04-14T15:39:43 < Laurenceb_>  *holds up spork*
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2017-04-14T15:50:01 < learnboy> hi
2017-04-14T15:50:10 < dongs> learn 32 boy
2017-04-14T15:51:45 < Laurenceb_> dongsphone http://imgur.com/a/dYRbw
2017-04-14T15:52:16 < dongs> H+
2017-04-14T15:52:22 < dongs> what barbaric country are they in
2017-04-14T15:52:25 < dongs> to have no LTE coverage in 2017
2017-04-14T15:56:25 < learnboy> http://imgur.com/gallery/tPBtFZq
2017-04-14T15:58:50 < englishman> good morning pros
2017-04-14T15:58:57 < englishman> some pro stm8 on the schedule for today
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2017-04-14T16:07:16 < Steffanx> Stm8 isnt too bad.
2017-04-14T16:07:38 < englishman> how has it been for you?
2017-04-14T16:07:49 < englishman> did you go the pro way or the open source way?
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2017-04-14T16:07:57 < Steffanx> When youre used to stm32 peripheral lib its pretty straight forward
2017-04-14T16:08:13 < Steffanx> No open sores.
2017-04-14T16:08:25 < englishman> they are mutually exclusive methods
2017-04-14T16:08:59 < Steffanx> We used it to replace some old i2c led driver. Just implemented the i2c protocol of the old driver
2017-04-14T16:09:07 < Steffanx> Stm8 is even cheaper :)
2017-04-14T16:09:11 < englishman> perfecgt
2017-04-14T16:09:12 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-14T16:09:24 < englishman> stdperiphlib sure is bloated, when you only have 8k flash
2017-04-14T16:09:38 < Steffanx> I had that. Went well
2017-04-14T16:09:53 < Steffanx> Appl is only 2k or something
2017-04-14T16:10:03 < englishman> i had one project with a 3:8 demultiplexer. stm8 was cheaper and smaller
2017-04-14T16:10:07 < Steffanx> And ultra low ram usage
2017-04-14T16:10:55 < Steffanx> and stvd is wonderful
2017-04-14T16:10:59 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/OWGdG.jpg <- I assembled my old shitty 3d printer kit
2017-04-14T16:10:59 < englishman> yes isnt it
2017-04-14T16:11:13 < englishman> beautiful zyp
2017-04-14T16:11:23 < englishman> 2d printer, 3d printer, whats next? who knows
2017-04-14T16:11:35 < Steffanx> Mak:r (tm) spotted
2017-04-14T16:11:36 < zyp> 4d printer of course
2017-04-14T16:13:42 < zyp> it's having problems with overhang since there's no fan to cool the extruded plastic, so I made a duct for some shit I had around: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/fTUyq.jpg
2017-04-14T16:13:58 < Steffanx> If the 4th dimension is time then it would be a great addition.
2017-04-14T16:14:01 < zyp> but that fan moves so little air I'm not sure it even makes a real difference
2017-04-14T16:14:07 < Steffanx> Damn 3d printers are slow
2017-04-14T16:14:25 < zyp> that fan duct took around an hour
2017-04-14T16:15:28 < jpa-> hey, you have same kind of 2d printer as i do
2017-04-14T16:15:46 < zyp> CLJ 1600 IIRC
2017-04-14T16:15:51 < jpa-> yep
2017-04-14T16:16:25 < zyp> it's around ten years old and still has the toner cartridges it came with
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2017-04-14T16:16:57 < jpa-> mine only prints b&w anymore, some of the color parts are broken
2017-04-14T16:17:09 < zyp> last year it started complaining about black being empty, but it has this nice «shut the fuck up and print anyway» option, so it's still going
2017-04-14T16:17:19 < jpa-> yeah
2017-04-14T16:17:28 < englishman> pla?
2017-04-14T16:17:34 < jpa-> but mine wants to recalibrate something every night at random times
2017-04-14T16:18:01 < zyp> I'll probably replace it with a newer color laser multifunction thing later, I want a scanner and network so I don't have to keep usb plugged into something
2017-04-14T16:18:38 < jpa-> i augmented mine with 40 EUR inkjet / scanner thingy
2017-04-14T16:19:07 < zyp> englishman, yeah, I've got two spools that I bought six years ago when I bought the kit, seems to still be usable
2017-04-14T16:19:37 < zyp> eh, I'm just not buying an inkjet
2017-04-14T16:19:39 < englishman> yeah cooling it down quickly helps a bunch
2017-04-14T16:19:49 < zyp> englishman, so I hear
2017-04-14T16:20:13 < zyp> I'll pick up some more appropriate fans for that, eventually
2017-04-14T16:21:42 < jadew> does it only print A4?
2017-04-14T16:21:51 < jadew> looks like a mini fridge
2017-04-14T16:23:09 < jadew> why is it that big?
2017-04-14T16:24:49 < zyp> it has all four cartridges stacked in the height
2017-04-14T16:25:11 < zyp> which makes it fast because it can do all colors in one go
2017-04-14T16:25:44 < zyp> my mom bought a multifunction thing last year which is fairly nice, but it's a lot slower since it has to do one by one color
2017-04-14T16:26:01 < zyp> the toner cartridges are mounted in a revolving thing
2017-04-14T16:26:27 < jadew> haven't had a color printer in a while
2017-04-14T16:27:08 < jadew> laser printers are so much cheaper in the long run
2017-04-14T16:27:26 < zyp> that's why color lasers are the shit
2017-04-14T16:29:19 < jadew> I wish I had room for an A1 printer
2017-04-14T16:29:55 < jadew> (still wouldn't care about color)
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2017-04-14T17:06:59 < Steffanx> iggy who, crt
2017-04-14T17:09:37 < PaulFertser> https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57019c4c04426228e6c546cd/t/580588b5414fb5c76328946f/1476809294165/
2017-04-14T17:09:48 < PaulFertser> crt's fav artist obv
2017-04-14T17:15:44 < englishman> ive been buying inkjet cartridges on ebay, shit is cheap
2017-04-14T17:16:09 < englishman> then again i only print shipping tags and maybe 2-3 real documents per year
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2017-04-14T17:41:38 < Steffanx> works like a charm ReadError: http://imgur.com/a/cLWDf
2017-04-14T17:42:08 < ReadError> noice
2017-04-14T17:42:18 < ReadError> using webkit drv?
2017-04-14T17:42:48 < Steffanx> nvidia web driver yes
2017-04-14T17:46:53 < Steffanx> Best feature is that this new card is 100 times less noisy than my previous one.
2017-04-14T17:47:29 < Ultrasauce> my 770 fucking started squealing a couple weeks ago
2017-04-14T17:47:40 < Steffanx> Buying a new 900-series felt like a waste of money
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2017-04-14T17:49:41 < Steffanx> As long as it can handle that weird shooter you play its ok Ultrasauce?
2017-04-14T17:50:59 < Ultrasauce> well at least it motivated me to put the case back together
2017-04-14T17:51:38 < Steffanx> Hehe
2017-04-14T17:55:40 < Steffanx> "Installing NvNodeJs" oh no.
2017-04-14T17:57:17 < ReadError> Ultrasauce: thats what i got in mine
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2017-04-14T18:47:51 < Laurenceb_> wow the memes are real
2017-04-14T18:48:08 < Laurenceb_> local company put in a cost estimate for building Mexican wall
2017-04-14T18:48:59 < Steffanx> how hard can it be
2017-04-14T18:49:08 < Steffanx> government contracts always cost more then estimated.
2017-04-14T18:53:02 < Laurenceb_> lul reading transpor tplans
2017-04-14T18:53:08 < Laurenceb_> they will go right past my house
2017-04-14T18:53:38 < Laurenceb_> 4chan will troll me irl
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2017-04-14T19:04:43 < Laurenceb_> so much for murica first, wall will be british
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2017-04-14T19:21:59 < Laurenceb_> http://thegoldwater.com/news/2253-AI-Breeding-Hate-Sexism-Racism-in-Robots
2017-04-14T19:52:59 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/h7nfzU7
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2017-04-14T21:06:55 < englishman> Laurenceb_: beep
2017-04-14T21:07:02 < englishman> bringing up this si4463 board
2017-04-14T21:07:07 < englishman> ive worked with this chip before
2017-04-14T21:07:11 < englishman> but im not getting anything out of it
2017-04-14T21:07:15 < englishman> POR and CTS signals are high
2017-04-14T21:07:21 < englishman> but no response to SPI
2017-04-14T21:07:21 < Laurenceb_> eeek the boot up
2017-04-14T21:07:25 < englishman> yea
2017-04-14T21:07:26 < Laurenceb_> yeah its a pita
2017-04-14T21:07:35 < Laurenceb_> check my codez?
2017-04-14T21:07:42 < englishman> eyah just googled for it
2017-04-14T21:07:42  * englishman https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c
2017-04-14T21:07:43 < Laurenceb_> what do you have connected?
2017-04-14T21:07:56 < Laurenceb_> I used like everything lol
2017-04-14T21:08:15 < englishman> i dont have logic analuzer hooked up sadly
2017-04-14T21:08:31 < Laurenceb_> starting line 80
2017-04-14T21:09:04 < Laurenceb_> 190 is the start up
2017-04-14T21:09:45 < Laurenceb_> lul line 224
2017-04-14T21:09:49 < Laurenceb_> nasty hack spotted
2017-04-14T21:10:06 < englishman> that could bite you yea
2017-04-14T21:10:17 < Laurenceb_> badly needs macros for all the gpio
2017-04-14T21:10:51 < Laurenceb_> have you given up on 2PSK ?
2017-04-14T21:10:59 < englishman> no thi sis a diff proj
2017-04-14T21:11:05 < englishman> my 2psk has been transmitting over a week
2017-04-14T21:11:10 < englishman> http://cardboard.airdtf.com:9060/
2017-04-14T21:12:15 < Laurenceb_> nice
2017-04-14T21:12:56 < Steffanx> is that just raw humidity data englishman?
2017-04-14T21:13:02 < englishman> yes
2017-04-14T21:13:08 < englishman> lower number = higher humidity
2017-04-14T21:13:21 < Steffanx> heh
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2017-04-14T21:17:13 < Laurenceb_> ok so I reuse POR pin as a raw mode tx control pin for RTTY
2017-04-14T21:17:59 < Laurenceb_> but SDN,POR,CTS,NIRQ,NSEL are all connected
2017-04-14T21:18:06 < gxti> it's RAWWWWWWWWWW
2017-04-14T21:19:00 < Laurenceb_> 8gpio used for this thing O_o
2017-04-14T21:20:39 < englishman> that was with tcxo?
2017-04-14T21:21:58 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-04-14T21:22:00 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Tx_board/blob/master/Silabs/Hardware.jpg
2017-04-14T21:22:08 < englishman> k
2017-04-14T21:22:55 < englishman> still nothing, fak
2017-04-14T21:23:11 < Laurenceb_> soldering?
2017-04-14T21:23:14 < englishman> nah
2017-04-14T21:23:17 < englishman> por and cts go high
2017-04-14T21:23:32 < Laurenceb_> yeah but what about SNEL and spi lines?
2017-04-14T21:23:41 < Laurenceb_> *NSEL
2017-04-14T21:23:42 < gxti> <3 those hammond boxes
2017-04-14T21:23:44 < englishman> should be fine
2017-04-14T21:23:57 < gxti> still got like 10 of them left over from when i briefly thought it was a good idea to make and sell hardware
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2017-04-14T21:24:47 < Laurenceb_> yeah those alu ones with the black plastic rims look quite sweet
2017-04-14T21:25:38 < Laurenceb_> englishman: did you follow my code for the commands to set at startup?
2017-04-14T21:25:43 < gxti> built a 10m beacon in one, in fact http://imgur.com/a/whA2q
2017-04-14T21:25:51 < Laurenceb_> you are supposed to send some shit then read part number
2017-04-14T21:26:19 < gxti> didn't work too well but it did work
2017-04-14T21:26:33 < gxti> turns out driving a fet, even an eGAN fet, to saturation at 28mhz is hard
2017-04-14T21:26:50 < Laurenceb_> this is for a ground station for rockoon launcher
2017-04-14T21:26:51 < englishman> yeah Laurenceb_ i dont even get the CTS at the end of POWER_UP
2017-04-14T21:26:55 < Laurenceb_> 434mhz
2017-04-14T21:27:02 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-04-14T21:27:16 < englishman> ooh
2017-04-14T21:27:47 < englishman> hmm no
2017-04-14T21:27:56 < englishman> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/O82iCeZr/
2017-04-14T21:28:58 < Laurenceb_> you badly need something like my busy_wait_send_receive function
2017-04-14T21:29:05 < englishman> yeah later
2017-04-14T21:29:08 < englishman> basics first
2017-04-14T21:30:28 < englishman> ret[] is full of 0xff at the end
2017-04-14T21:32:00 < Laurenceb_> thats never a good sign
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2017-04-14T21:37:28 < Steffanx> didnt you also make this gps based time module thing gxti?
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2017-04-14T21:37:43 < gxti> the one in that project i bought off ebay
2017-04-14T21:37:58 < gxti> fairly inexpensive gpsdo, something i never got around to making myself
2017-04-14T21:39:13 < Laurenceb_> Leobodnar ftw
2017-04-14T21:39:37 < Laurenceb_> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=234
2017-04-14T21:40:39 < Steffanx> I meant Laurine gxti.
2017-04-14T21:40:44 < Steffanx> Laureline *
2017-04-14T21:40:54 < gxti> yeah, that was network time only though. not much use for radio.
2017-04-14T21:41:17 < gxti> i mean you can make it work if you also have a stable oscillator but it's much simpler to just pipe in a nice reference clock
2017-04-14T21:41:39 < gxti> so cheap 10mhz gpsdo -> upconvert to 25mhz -> feed si5351 -> happy waves
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2017-04-14T21:43:00 < gxti> on the other hand, a transmitter that just needed an ethernet connection and could use ntp to calibrate its own clock would be cool too
2017-04-14T21:43:44 < Laurenceb_> I was playing around with airspy and ntp
2017-04-14T21:44:17 < Laurenceb_> managed to get good enough performance for coarse positioning using ntp and system timestamping as a third audio channel
2017-04-14T21:44:26 < Laurenceb_> by modifying the lunix driver
2017-04-14T21:46:01 < Laurenceb_> the driver tends to fire up each time the usb is ready, sometimes there are significant delays, even milliseconds if the system is busy, but its possible to filter out and find the prompt cases with a few lines of matlab, then filter to track the airspy tcxo drift
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2017-04-14T21:47:44 < gxti> i don't suppose there have been any new stm32s with etherbutt that are smaller than a f107?
2017-04-14T21:48:29 < Laurenceb_> dunno
2017-04-14T21:48:31 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39533308
2017-04-14T21:49:32 < Laurenceb_> One researcher wanted to check that an algorithm being built to identify skin melanomas (skin cancer) would work on dark skin.
2017-04-14T21:49:34 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-04-14T22:04:12 < Steffanx> no gxti.
2017-04-14T22:06:47 < englishman> //Cannot send only a single byte due to hardware bug in the silabs
2017-04-14T22:06:48 < englishman> LOL
2017-04-14T22:07:22 < Steffanx>  \o/
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2017-04-14T22:11:56 < kakimir> I'm hooked to stroopwaffles
2017-04-14T22:12:18 < englishman> ohh Laurenceb_
2017-04-14T22:12:21 < englishman> yeah i remember now
2017-04-14T22:12:43 < Laurenceb_> wut?
2017-04-14T22:12:47 < englishman> the reply stream comes in a completely different transaction
2017-04-14T22:12:57 < Laurenceb_> yeah its a two stage transaction
2017-04-14T22:12:59 < Steffanx> Fucking windows, i want to reboot without installing updates
2017-04-14T22:13:15 < Laurenceb_> actually there is an 8051 on the silabs running epically stupid firmware :P
2017-04-14T22:13:28 < Steffanx> They want me to use a command line to do that?? Lunix style much.
2017-04-14T22:13:48 < englishman> alright it fucking works now lol
2017-04-14T22:15:14 < Laurenceb_> epin
2017-04-14T22:18:24 < englishman> chip id returns strangely tho
2017-04-14T22:18:25 < englishman> clonez?
2017-04-14T22:19:06 < englishman> 0x6899
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2017-04-14T22:27:28 < Laurenceb_> odd
2017-04-14T22:28:07 < Laurenceb_> I get matching number
2017-04-14T22:28:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVlFVWE9IcEU1VjA/view?usp=sharing fucking project is was to build
2017-04-14T22:28:55 < Laurenceb_> sweet
2017-04-14T22:29:26 < kakimir> comming next - liquid fuel rocket
2017-04-14T22:29:36 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-04-14T22:29:39 < Laurenceb_> does it move?
2017-04-14T22:29:44 < Steffanx> Still snowey in finland?
2017-04-14T22:29:47 < englishman> matching number = ?
2017-04-14T22:29:52 < kakimir> icey Steffanx
2017-04-14T22:29:58 < kakimir> not that much snowey
2017-04-14T22:30:23 < Laurenceb_> 0x4463
2017-04-14T22:30:36 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: how does it look like if it moves?
2017-04-14T22:30:47 < Laurenceb_> I mean under wind power
2017-04-14T22:30:57 < kakimir> It slided for 10meters with wind then stoped
2017-04-14T22:31:01 < englishman> weird
2017-04-14T22:31:03 < kakimir> sail is too small
2017-04-14T22:31:13 < kakimir> I need a small storm
2017-04-14T22:31:17 < Laurenceb_> englishman: maybe you are misaligned?
2017-04-14T22:31:25 < englishman> cpol=cpha=0
2017-04-14T22:31:29 < englishman> and other commands are fine
2017-04-14T22:31:37 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-04-14T22:32:14 < Laurenceb_> you get actual ok data back from other commands?
2017-04-14T22:32:50 < englishman> yea
2017-04-14T22:35:05 < englishman> hm no i dont lol
2017-04-14T22:36:10 < englishman> everything is set up right
2017-04-14T22:36:18 < Laurenceb_> using gpio for NSEL?
2017-04-14T22:36:26 < Laurenceb_> maybe you need to tweak delays?
2017-04-14T22:36:33 < englishman> yeah and already hueg
2017-04-14T22:42:20 < englishman> ok no, other regs are ok
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2017-04-14T22:56:17 < Steffanx> Welcome
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2017-04-15T00:20:23 < Laurenceb_> T R U M P
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2017-04-15T00:29:50 < Laurenceb_> T E M P L E   O S
2017-04-15T00:32:59 < Steffanx> You need attention Laurenceb_? Better open Tinder.
2017-04-15T00:33:34 < Laurenceb_> hmm good plan
2017-04-15T00:33:41 < Laurenceb_> why is it so dead in here
2017-04-15T00:33:59 < Steffanx> But it seems you want attention from men, so try Grindr.
2017-04-15T00:34:19 < Laurenceb_> epin trawl
2017-04-15T00:40:41 < Steffanx> <3
2017-04-15T00:41:58 < Steffanx> lol ReadError.. you heard ixsystems kinda pulled the new freenas release back?
2017-04-15T00:42:29 < Steffanx> They made it a "TECHNOLOGY PREVIEW"
2017-04-15T00:43:50 < Laurenceb_> this looks relevant to my interests
2017-04-15T00:43:53 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36301.msg1426122#msg1426122
2017-04-15T00:45:40 < Laurenceb_> I think I know what I'd like to test on them
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2017-04-15T01:16:30 < Laurenceb_> https://19818-presscdn-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/373/94/ef0b612fd6e99b43-2048x1024.jpg
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2017-04-15T02:00:57 < Laurenceb_> https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/HqCbqFhyQp_gDoUokmAFK6xRzF8/appointments
2017-04-15T02:01:00 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-04-15T02:01:07 < Laurenceb_> Emdrive did solar roadways
2017-04-15T02:35:16 < Ultrasauce> "serial entrepreneur" is the going term i think
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2017-04-15T02:55:28 < upgrdman> reading a dac datasheet. whats the difference between "DAC register updated, output updated" and "Input register and DAC register updated, output updated" ? pg14 of http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dac7554.pdf
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2017-04-15T02:57:18 < upgrdman> side note, jesus fuck, the riglol mso4000 is slow when both protocol decoders are on.
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2017-04-15T03:26:30 < sync_> upgrdman: most scopes with softwarez decoders are slow unfortunately
2017-04-15T03:26:40 < upgrdman> ya
2017-04-15T03:26:51 < sync_> keysight has them in their asic so it is seksi
2017-04-15T03:26:55 < sync_> but they cannot fix anything
2017-04-15T03:27:06 < upgrdman> they decoders have bugs?
2017-04-15T03:27:23 < sync_> well, idk, but if they should have, rip
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2017-04-15T04:24:21 < Laurenceb_> omg best korea
2017-04-15T04:24:23 < Laurenceb_> this is epin
2017-04-15T04:24:55 < Laurenceb_> watching live
2017-04-15T04:25:12 < Laurenceb_>  "nuclear test is imminent"
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2017-04-15T04:35:40 < dongs> sup vapists
2017-04-15T04:51:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEnlEVLyD1s whats wrong with nz people
2017-04-15T04:59:05 < PeterM_obile> Ikr
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2017-04-15T05:47:07 < dongs> is it legal there
2017-04-15T05:49:04 < aandrew> fucking sheep is legal there, why wouldn't teh marijuanas
2017-04-15T05:52:21 < Rob235> in java you cant have an if with just a nonzero integer evaluate to true? you have to say == true? thats annoying ie: x = 10; if (x) {
2017-04-15T05:52:54 < Rob235> ignore that == true part
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2017-04-15T05:57:32 < dongs> was java invented in NZ by any chance
2017-04-15T05:57:54 < dongs> while fucking a sheep and high on weed
2017-04-15T06:15:37 < upgrdman> Rob235, correct. java conditionals require an expressions to evals to a bool
2017-04-15T06:15:56 < Rob235> lame
2017-04-15T06:16:07 < upgrdman> annoying, but you can just do if(number != 0) ...
2017-04-15T06:16:14 < upgrdman> if you want c/cpp behavior
2017-04-15T06:22:59 < upgrdman> anyone know of a 4k or 5k monitor actually for sale that'll do 120hz or 144hz?
2017-04-15T06:23:14 < Rob235> yea, its not that much of a burden, its just ugly when you are used to doing if(functionName()) { for error detection or something along those lines
2017-04-15T06:23:42 < upgrdman> Rob235, ya java fags would screech about using Exceptions for that, lol
2017-04-15T06:24:12 < englishman> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/grande-prairie-cosplay-1.4070387
2017-04-15T06:25:54 < Rob235> Maybe I should pro C# first instead of java :/ I want to get comfortable with both
2017-04-15T06:26:02 < Rob235> ehh I already started java
2017-04-15T06:34:35 < dongs> upgrdman: no and why teh fuck woudl you want to
2017-04-15T06:34:41 < dongs> upgrdman: 4k @ 60hz is 20gbps
2017-04-15T06:35:02 < upgrdman> dongs, >60hz would be nice.
2017-04-15T06:35:10 < dongs> again, doesnt exist
2017-04-15T06:35:13 < upgrdman> scroll web pages even smoother :)
2017-04-15T06:35:27 < upgrdman> dongs, supposedly Anus has something coming out in a couple months
2017-04-15T06:35:54 < upgrdman> republic of faggots display. 4k144, and 10bit iirc
2017-04-15T06:36:08 < englishman> so $3.5k
2017-04-15T06:36:14 < englishman> for 30"
2017-04-15T06:36:32 < englishman> no
2017-04-15T06:36:36 < englishman> 4k horizontal pixels
2017-04-15T06:36:43 < englishman> 4000x1080
2017-04-15T06:37:01 < upgrdman> i'd also be happy with a 5k60 display that didnt require 2 cables
2017-04-15T06:37:15 < upgrdman> fucking nvidia 10series can do 8k60 over one hdmi
2017-04-15T06:37:21 < upgrdman> err
2017-04-15T06:37:23 < upgrdman> one dp
2017-04-15T06:37:25 < upgrdman> not hdmi
2017-04-15T06:40:06 < Rob235> are there 12bit displays?
2017-04-15T06:40:15 < upgrdman> prolly for medical
2017-04-15T06:40:31 < Rob235> I saw a movie release in HEVC that said 12bit....
2017-04-15T06:40:40 < Rob235> only one, ive seen multiple 10bit of course
2017-04-15T06:42:32 < Rob235> my tv is only 720/768p native :/
2017-04-15T06:47:58 < Rob235> only 32" just mounted it on the wall along with some shelving, looks nice at least, but could definitely be bigger: http://imgur.com/a/4yDZ9
2017-04-15T06:52:52 < upgrdman> you like to crane your neck up when watching gay porn on that tv, huh
2017-04-15T06:56:40 < Rob235> it did come out a little higher than I wanted but once I'm watching something it doesn't bother me at all
2017-04-15T06:57:16 < Rob235> I'm usually leaning back a bit while I'm in bed anyway so its more in line than you think
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2017-04-15T07:18:40 < Rob235> night
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2017-04-15T09:08:40 < englishman> no new posts on patreon.com/crt
2017-04-15T09:09:02 < englishman> how will follow the video repair and swearing series
2017-04-15T09:12:07 < englishman> yes
2017-04-15T09:14:52 < englishman> a lifetime of autism on that wall
2017-04-15T09:22:07 < englishman> those guys at ti are p smart
2017-04-15T09:24:07 < dongs> zano only uses linear converters
2017-04-15T09:24:11 < dongs> like true pros
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2017-04-15T09:34:53 < c4017> Can I use SWDIO and SWCLK pins as IO? At reset they are configured as alternate function, so I should still be able to program the chip right?
2017-04-15T09:37:51 < upgrdman> yes
2017-04-15T09:37:56 < upgrdman> well
2017-04-15T09:38:13 < upgrdman> you can reassign them as GPIO, and after reset they will default to SWD
2017-04-15T09:38:28 < upgrdman> but you'll have to connect-under-reset to program your chip
2017-04-15T09:38:32 < upgrdman> and no debugging
2017-04-15T09:39:04 < c4017> oh yeah no debugging. Hmm
2017-04-15T09:41:08 < c4017> Ok I'll leave them alone. I have 2 pins to spare
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2017-04-15T09:51:20 < dongs> on F1 and every other Fx its different
2017-04-15T09:51:35 < dongs> on F1 you can, but you have to turn off swj or wahtever thing
2017-04-15T09:51:45 < dongs> on F3/F4 you just have to set AF to gpio
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2017-04-15T11:22:34 < Steffanx> Crt.
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2017-04-15T12:15:23 < Streaker> TRUMPIN
2017-04-15T12:15:58 < Steffanx> Ok it's proven Streaker = Laurenceb
2017-04-15T12:16:39 < ohsix> nah
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2017-04-15T14:23:15 < dongs> https://www.amperture.com/2016/01/15/stm32f4-amplib-spi-example-shift-register/
2017-04-15T14:23:18 < dongs> haha AmpLib
2017-04-15T14:23:19 < dongs> is that a joke
2017-04-15T14:24:04 < Steffanx> Someone is triggered easily.
2017-04-15T14:25:14 < Steffanx> Not everyone thinks about Google's Accelerated Mobile Pages when they read "amp" mr dongs.
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2017-04-15T14:25:28 < dongs> they should
2017-04-15T14:25:34 < dongs> as its the most evil thing on the internet
2017-04-15T14:26:04 < Steffanx> After the Last Measure.
2017-04-15T14:27:19 < dongs> does lm still work
2017-04-15T14:29:21 < Steffanx> Still have a copy somewhere?
2017-04-15T14:29:32 < dongs> doesnt on.nimp.org still exist?
2017-04-15T14:29:33 < dongs> no idea
2017-04-15T14:29:45 < dongs> dont really feel like finding out
2017-04-15T14:39:22 < Steffanx> Not even a copy on loldongs.eu
2017-04-15T14:57:19 < ski7777> hi
2017-04-15T14:57:29 < ski7777> What does bit14 of a GPIO do?
2017-04-15T14:57:35 < ski7777> in the BSRR
2017-04-15T14:57:40 < dongs> anythin you want it to do
2017-04-15T14:57:48 < dongs> but I would guess, changes state of GPIO_Pin_14
2017-04-15T14:57:51 < dongs> on whatever GPIO port.
2017-04-15T14:58:52 < ski7777> its PA3
2017-04-15T15:01:02 < dongs> no its not
2017-04-15T15:01:23 < ski7777> I change the upper BSRR
2017-04-15T15:01:27 < ski7777> bit 14
2017-04-15T15:01:46 < ski7777> thats cnf11
2017-04-15T15:01:59 < ski7777> But what does cnf11 do?
2017-04-15T15:02:53 < dongs> why dont you read wahtever RM for your series
2017-04-15T15:03:45 < ski7777> I am reverse engenieering software
2017-04-15T15:04:02 < dongs> doubly so that you should have a RM open for wahtever hardware you're dealing with
2017-04-15T15:04:28 < dongs> also most people probably use stdperiphlib or hal, so if I was you, i'd just map those calls to wahtever it looks like in HAL/stdperiph names
2017-04-15T15:04:32 < ski7777> I am reading in the RM
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2017-04-15T15:05:17 < ski7777> But here I cant anything about cnf11
2017-04-15T15:05:18 < ski7777> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/59/b9/ba/7f/11/af/43/d5/CD00171190.pdf/files/CD00171190.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00171190.pdf
2017-04-15T15:05:31 < dongs> im not cilcking on something I've already downlaoded which RM00xx is it
2017-04-15T15:06:02 < dongs> F103cB?
2017-04-15T15:06:12 < dongs> table 20
2017-04-15T15:06:17 < dongs> thre's 2 CNF bits
2017-04-15T15:06:37 < dongs> shit jsut configures af/direction/whatever
2017-04-15T15:07:11 < dongs> it fucking sayts right there in RM to look at table 20 you cuck
2017-04-15T15:07:20 < dongs> im done trying to help you, I thought this was  REAL QUESTION
2017-04-15T15:07:31 < dongs> but if you actuall look at the fucking CRH/CRL stuff in RM it says right ther waht it means
2017-04-15T15:07:31 < ski7777> ???
2017-04-15T15:07:37 < ski7777> It is a real question
2017-04-15T15:08:05 < dongs> here's whats going on
2017-04-15T15:08:20 < dongs> 1) BSRR has no "CNF" bits. BSRR does exactly waht it fucking says it does, set/reset bits.
2017-04-15T15:08:29 < dongs> 2) CRH/CRL does have CNF bits, and those are explained in table 20.
2017-04-15T15:08:39 < dongs> the rest you should be able to figure out on your own
2017-04-15T15:08:51 < dongs> life protip: don't try to reverse engineer software if you have no idea about the platform its written for
2017-04-15T15:08:59 < ski7777> Table 20 cares abot: CNF1 CNF0 MODE1 MODE0 PxODR
2017-04-15T15:08:59 < ski7777> registe
2017-04-15T15:09:03 < dongs> yes
2017-04-15T15:09:12 < dongs> do you not understand that CNF is simply a 2 bit field
2017-04-15T15:09:19 < dongs> that is called CNFxx in the CRH/CRL
2017-04-15T15:09:25 < dongs> its 2 fucking bits repeated all overf the register
2017-04-15T15:09:28 < dongs> for each GPIO pin
2017-04-15T15:09:31 < ski7777> Look at 9.2.2
2017-04-15T15:09:32 < dongs> they mean same fucking thing
2017-04-15T15:09:36 < dongs> yes
2017-04-15T15:09:39 < dongs> ive seen it
2017-04-15T15:09:43 < dongs> its the same 2 bits
2017-04-15T15:09:48 < dongs> as in table 20
2017-04-15T15:10:13 < dongs> CNF11[1:0] < the 1:0 thing means TWO BITS
2017-04-15T15:10:33 < dongs> so you go back to table 20 and look waht they mean
2017-04-15T15:10:41 < dongs> tho the list below explains it same way anyway
2017-04-15T15:10:59 < dongs> it configures pushpull/od/whatever stuff per pin
2017-04-15T15:11:18 < dongs> bedtime, bbl
2017-04-15T15:11:26 < ski7777> So if I set bit 14 in upper BSRR to 0 this means 00: Analog mode?
2017-04-15T15:35:59 < Laurenceb_> http://www.zupimages.net/up/15/31/i9ul.gif
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2017-04-15T16:30:58 < Laurenceb_> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/28/article-2380055-1B042079000005DC-451_964x644.jpg
2017-04-15T16:32:09 < Laurenceb_> tractical assault tractors http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/27/article-2380055-1B050B2D000005DC-68_964x619.jpg
2017-04-15T16:33:14 < Laurenceb_> those flags
2017-04-15T16:34:21 < Laurenceb_> looks quite LARPtastic
2017-04-15T16:44:09 < englishman> Lool
2017-04-15T16:53:42 < Steffanx> Why this nrf51x documentation is so hellish.
2017-04-15T16:54:01 < Steffanx> i cannot find anything except for ending up in an endless loop of links.
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2017-04-15T16:54:37 < Steffanx> their product names are even worse.
2017-04-15T16:57:03 < englishman> what's the issue sir
2017-04-15T17:00:10 < Steffanx> atm just trying to get some beacon example running, but it crashes.
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2017-04-15T17:10:53 < Steffanx> Hello Tek2.
2017-04-15T17:14:06 < Tectu> Good morning/day/evening/night to you, ##stm32 people
2017-04-15T17:20:20 < englishman> tectu the international business magnate has blessed us with his presence \o/
2017-04-15T17:20:46 < Tectu> stop that
2017-04-15T17:21:40 < Steffanx> Waffle time.
2017-04-15T17:22:00 < Steffanx> kakimir is hooked.
2017-04-15T17:24:27 < englishman> lol
2017-04-15T17:24:51 < Steffanx> englishman, screw me. I got some new hardware and forgot i actually had to upgrade/install the proper softdevice. Oops.
2017-04-15T17:24:57 < englishman> \o/
2017-04-15T17:25:00 < englishman> PEBKAC
2017-04-15T17:25:25 < englishman> but yeah its somewhat annoying having to do that
2017-04-15T17:25:26 < Steffanx> That too, but that doesn't change that the documentation is a mess.
2017-04-15T17:25:42 < englishman> of course the alternative is flashing an extra 256k every debug cycle
2017-04-15T17:25:51 < englishman> eh.. it's different
2017-04-15T17:25:57 < Steffanx> Tectu, didnt you know someone who works for nordicsemi?
2017-04-15T17:25:59 < englishman> and its annoying when nordic's site goes down
2017-04-15T17:26:10 < Steffanx> Tell him they should change their documentation and product names.
2017-04-15T17:27:15 < Steffanx> Why the hell call your boards PCA1000028 or PCA100040. Or the softdevices S110, S120, S140 or S220.
2017-04-15T17:27:20 < Steffanx> Im annoyed by that
2017-04-15T17:28:39 < Tectu> Steffanx, I know five people that work for nordicsemi, two of which are friends that grew up here and moved to .no. The other three guys I know from meetings.
2017-04-15T17:29:23 < Steffanx> Better tell them all then.
2017-04-15T17:29:39 < Tectu> why don´t you just not care?
2017-04-15T17:29:52 < Steffanx> because i have to use it.
2017-04-15T17:34:48 < englishman> he's modest too
2017-04-15T17:35:58 < Steffanx> Absolutely.
2017-04-15T17:37:47 < Tectu> no need to be modest when one can brag about other companies´s employees
2017-04-15T17:38:55 < Steffanx> You do that?
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2017-04-15T20:21:06 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/ShallowUnconsciousBighorn
2017-04-15T20:24:07 < Steffanx> Erdogan in his younger years?
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2017-04-15T20:30:35 < Laurenceb_> probably
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2017-04-15T20:48:47 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/JX9zofs
2017-04-15T20:53:25 < Laurenceb_> hi http://imgur.com/j69gPa6
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2017-04-15T20:58:11  * englishman opens the last pack of stroopwafel
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2017-04-15T21:07:10 < qyx> I don't know about FCC, but you must recertify the whole device even if it is comprised of modules with CE
2017-04-15T21:07:34 < qyx> and standard 100mW 2.4G or 5G wifi is capable of doing 1mile
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2017-04-15T21:07:37 < qyx> with decent antennas
2017-04-15T21:08:33 < qyx> also, with 802.11a (or 802.11h in EU) you can use the outdoor band 5.5-5.7GHz
2017-04-15T21:08:57 < qyx> there is 30dBm of eirp allowed with tpc and dfs
2017-04-15T21:09:06 < qyx> but I don't know how is that in the US
2017-04-15T21:17:09 < qyx> this for example http://www.emcfastpass.com/rf-modules/
2017-04-15T21:17:17 < qyx> "With a pre-certified RF module, do I need to still do other emissions testing?"
2017-04-15T21:17:53 < qyx> but meh
2017-04-15T21:20:22 < Streaker> https://imgur.com/l4oZy9P.png
2017-04-15T21:20:24 < kakimir> stop spamming imgurt
2017-04-15T21:20:28 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/gallery/287OV
2017-04-15T21:28:32 < kakimir> stop spämming Laurenceb_
2017-04-15T21:28:52 < Laurenceb_> its all i ever do
2017-04-15T21:29:06 < kakimir> level up
2017-04-15T21:30:16 < kakimir> I think I instantly leveled up 99levels when I stoped going daily to chans
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2017-04-15T21:32:41 < Steffanx> No waffles increased your HP so you levelled.
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2017-04-15T21:34:52 < kakimir> first day without waffless
2017-04-15T21:35:08 < Steffanx> Are you out?
2017-04-15T21:35:18 < kakimir> almost
2017-04-15T21:35:27 < Steffanx> Damn.
2017-04-15T21:35:43 < Steffanx> .
2017-04-15T21:36:11 < kakimir> but I
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2017-04-15T21:36:47 < kakimir> just stop eating them a pack a day
2017-04-15T21:37:14 < kakimir> it means I can make it all way to end of month
2017-04-15T21:38:36 < englishman> lol
2017-04-15T21:38:46 < englishman> i lost a wafel in my coffee :(
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2017-04-15T21:41:57 < Steffanx> Lol
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2017-04-15T21:42:57 < qyx> englishman: did you calibrate your sensor?
2017-04-15T21:43:06 < qyx> if so, how?
2017-04-15T21:43:07 < englishman> not yet
2017-04-15T21:43:17 < englishman> it's in a potted plant now tho
2017-04-15T21:43:39 < englishman> however seems to not be transmitting, the power lead likely fell off again
2017-04-15T21:45:23 < englishman> am going to take a 100% humidity reading in super soaked soil, and another reading in soil that's been in the oven for a while
2017-04-15T21:45:38 < englishman> which should be a general 0-100% calibration
2017-04-15T21:47:17 < qyx> but obviously it won't be linear
2017-04-15T21:48:24 < englishman> think so?
2017-04-15T21:48:37 < englishman> could take readings adding 10cc water to a potted plant etc
2017-04-15T21:48:41 < englishman> until saturation
2017-04-15T21:49:07 < qyx> I was about to do something similar
2017-04-15T21:49:18 < qyx> to check if it is linera or not
2017-04-15T21:49:58 < kakimir> how is innovation guise?
2017-04-15T21:59:58 < Steffanx> Making a glucose meter.
2017-04-15T22:00:23 < kakimir> serkl
2017-04-15T22:00:29 < kakimir> serkljsly?P
2017-04-15T22:01:00 < Steffanx> saffqt gasd
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2017-04-15T22:18:09 < kakimir> https://images.apina.biz/full/157528.png to programming accessory fans
2017-04-15T22:18:24 < kakimir> remembed to have programming stockkings
2017-04-15T22:23:48 < kakimir> for leelominai
2017-04-15T22:25:09 < kakimir> I have hangover for 4glasses of wine drank with dinner and desserts
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2017-04-16T00:01:10 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/JXuvrLZ
2017-04-16T00:02:00 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/BprDHdQ
2017-04-16T00:04:26 < englishman> lol
2017-04-16T00:09:02 < BrainDamage> ah it's shitpost time https://i.imgur.com/TELt219.jpg
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2017-04-16T00:18:42 < Steffanx> What is that last one about.. the book of morons? I've no idea what those guys believe in.
2017-04-16T00:21:05 < Steffanx> probably because people in dutchland dont do that religion much.
2017-04-16T00:35:59 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/2PuOl6o
2017-04-16T00:41:56 < jaakkos> why does the STM32F405 LQFP64 package have 2 markings that look like pin 1 identification on opposite corners?
2017-04-16T00:42:25 < jaakkos> the other one is slightly different in size/texture but it seems super confusing
2017-04-16T00:42:42 < englishman> one is pin1 marking, the other is flashing from the chip mould
2017-04-16T00:42:47 < englishman> and yes it's very annoying
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2017-04-16T00:42:59 < englishman> refer to the datasheet for pin1 alignment using the text on the chip
2017-04-16T00:43:02 < zyp> jaakkos, it's to make it more challenging, can't have it too easy
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2017-04-16T00:43:29 < zyp> as long as you look closely enough, it's obvious which is which
2017-04-16T00:43:30 < jaakkos> englishman: ah now that you mention, I found the text ID part in the pdf
2017-04-16T00:43:32 < Laurenceb_> jaakkos: for trolling purposes
2017-04-16T00:43:39 < jaakkos> zyp, Laurenceb_ exactly :D
2017-04-16T00:43:47 < Laurenceb_> and yes I've soldered one the wrong way round before
2017-04-16T00:43:58 < jaakkos> my project has been delayed about 1 week due to this
2017-04-16T00:44:02 < englishman> LOL
2017-04-16T00:44:04 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-04-16T00:44:05 < jaakkos> nice debugs lol
2017-04-16T00:44:27 < jaakkos> fortunately it's not a full time project but still :(
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2017-04-16T00:57:29 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9aP7jOXgAAVwk7.jpg
2017-04-16T00:58:25 < branjb> roots?
2017-04-16T00:59:15 < Laurenceb_> I think he wants the redtube link
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2017-04-16T01:06:21 < ohsix> https://threatbutt.com/
2017-04-16T01:06:31 < ohsix> branjb: broad city
2017-04-16T01:07:54 < ohsix> huuuhuhu tyler the creator did the new theme song for bill nye's netflix thing
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2017-04-16T01:11:44 < ohsix> so much random stuff on twitter, it's gr8
2017-04-16T01:12:02 < ohsix> knowing there are backup superblocks doesn't even come up very often amongst the lunixerati
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2017-04-16T02:18:13 < ohsix> these tiny motors make me feel like i'm handling drugs
2017-04-16T02:21:07 < ohsix> ReadError: http://i.imgur.com/ptZHpa3.jpg
2017-04-16T02:21:16 < ReadError> http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/asia/north-korea-missile-test/index.html
2017-04-16T02:21:28 < ReadError> wow tiny
2017-04-16T02:24:26 < ohsix> too tiny, ya
2017-04-16T02:24:26 < ohsix> haha
2017-04-16T02:24:42 < ohsix> the plastic bit doesn't engage with the threads either
2017-04-16T02:24:59 < ohsix> looks like it holds a tiny spring or etched metal thing that does
2017-04-16T02:26:22 < Laurenceb_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/235445283104882688/301570699506614273/kd0uwxL.png
2017-04-16T02:26:31 < ohsix> anything i do with them will probably mean superglue and only as a stepper motor :\
2017-04-16T02:26:53 < upgrdman> sniff   https://i.redd.it/sao6o706msry.jpg
2017-04-16T02:27:05 < Laurenceb_> https://files.catbox.moe/v9hyov.png
2017-04-16T02:28:48 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/NYZYqXq.gifv
2017-04-16T02:31:43 < ohsix> ReadError: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.intoorbit.spectrum&hl=en this is better than speedy spectrum
2017-04-16T02:31:46 < ohsix> finally dethroned
2017-04-16T02:32:51 < ohsix> ah or not, log freq display isn't in there, or some other things
2017-04-16T02:32:59 < ohsix> will use both for now i guess, spectroid is zoom
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2017-04-16T02:40:24 < upgrdman> anyone know of a c or cpp gui library that is cross platform AND fast? might need to run on a beaglebone.
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2017-04-16T02:41:07 < englishman> most windows programs will run crossplatform, on all versions of windows back 15 years or so
2017-04-16T02:41:37 < englishman> youre better off making a webapp.
2017-04-16T02:42:06 < upgrdman> that might actually work.
2017-04-16T02:42:08 < englishman> every "cross platform" library just means it looks terrible on all platforms equally
2017-04-16T02:42:12 < upgrdman> webgl + html5
2017-04-16T02:42:16 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-16T02:42:33 < upgrdman> webgl is what, gl es 2?
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2017-04-16T02:43:14 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/skueTRG
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2017-04-16T02:45:18 < ohsix> https://threatbutt.com/map/
2017-04-16T02:45:33 < ohsix> anything is fast on a beaglebro
2017-04-16T02:46:20 < ohsix> doing shit with a browser and hosting it on the framebuffer is probably the ch-easiest
2017-04-16T02:46:34 < Laurenceb_> beaglebro
2017-04-16T02:46:36 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2017-04-16T02:46:45 < Laurenceb_> so much fail its ten times worse than Rpi
2017-04-16T02:47:09 < ohsix> it's got dat sitara and the real time io cores
2017-04-16T02:47:33 < ohsix> raspberry pi has videocore that runs everything
2017-04-16T02:50:21 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/i33nRMI
2017-04-16T02:50:26 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-04-16T02:51:17 < ohsix> you know the waves of the internet dying when retards got on
2017-04-16T02:51:27 < ohsix> that's kind of happening with smartphones and recording everything
2017-04-16T02:52:27 < ReadError> all about hat NODEJS upgrdman
2017-04-16T02:52:31 < ReadError> get wid it or fall back
2017-04-16T02:52:58 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Dickbutt-Meme-T-Shirt-Hip-Hop-Novelty-T-Shirts-Men-S-Brand-Clothing-Basic-Tops-Fashion/32799307278.html
2017-04-16T02:53:11 < ohsix> also docker
2017-04-16T02:53:18 < upgrdman> ReadError, inorite
2017-04-16T02:53:18 < ohsix> use docker for your main application
2017-04-16T02:54:16 < ohsix> if it's a web interface you can bring it up on other machines
2017-04-16T02:54:55 < upgrdman> ohsix, tbh i prolly wont do it as a web app. i need high perf, and i doubt web will be faster that JIT'd java.
2017-04-16T02:55:25 < upgrdman> ohsix, basically i might port TelemetryViewer to run on an embedded linux board, for work stuff, at some point in the future
2017-04-16T02:57:17 < ReadError> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1492298016511.webm
2017-04-16T02:57:24 < ReadError> r0ck3d
2017-04-16T02:57:59 < upgrdman> nice
2017-04-16T02:58:58 < ReadError> upgrdman: but the webapps are really webapps
2017-04-16T02:59:04 < ReadError> since its all clientside
2017-04-16T02:59:13 < ReadError> it just happens to run in a web browser
2017-04-16T02:59:23 < ReadError> or can
2017-04-16T02:59:23 < upgrdman> ReadError, ya but theres overhead in a web browser
2017-04-16T02:59:29 < ReadError> you can also compile
2017-04-16T02:59:46 < upgrdman> ReadError, but would they be more efficient than JIT'd java?
2017-04-16T02:59:59 < upgrdman> i feel like a "real" c/cpp program would be better than both
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2017-04-16T03:00:10 < ReadError> >java
2017-04-16T03:00:24 < upgrdman> does SDL provide a GUI lib? or is it just "backend" ?
2017-04-16T03:00:27 < ReadError> But cross platform?
2017-04-16T03:00:50 < upgrdman> ReadError, im will to recompile for diff platforms, but i need support for at least linux arm and windows
2017-04-16T03:01:19 < ReadError> Seems rough in C without nasty bits
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2017-04-16T03:09:55 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/isacatinthesink
2017-04-16T03:10:23 < ohsix> upgrdman: wat overhead in webgl?
2017-04-16T03:10:30 < ohsix> you're not even submitting a lot of geometry
2017-04-16T03:11:01 < ohsix> even with lots of overhead, you're still going to be limited by raw memory bandwidth for drawing anything, other overhead gets small
2017-04-16T03:11:37 < upgrdman> ohsix, just in general. i doubt a webapp will be most efficient than my current JIT'd java
2017-04-16T03:11:53 < upgrdman> and if im going to port it, i want it to be as efficient as possible
2017-04-16T03:12:07 < upgrdman> since it may be on a sub Ghz cortex a chip
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2017-04-16T03:23:09 < ohsix> well, you'll bypass some indirection for using webgl, and use gles and it will probably still not be as fast as you'd hoped
2017-04-16T03:23:19 < ohsix> just write a gles app that displays nonsense and profile it
2017-04-16T03:24:42 < ohsix> hell
2017-04-16T03:24:54 < ohsix> just draw a quad that invalidates the backbuffer, then swapbuffers
2017-04-16T03:24:58 < ohsix> do that in es and in webgl
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2017-04-16T03:34:55 < upgrdman> ohsix, gl is only half of it. there's also data processing, etc.
2017-04-16T03:35:06 < ohsix> not enough olol
2017-04-16T03:35:10 < ohsix> but sure
2017-04-16T03:35:27 < upgrdman> ohsix, when doing FFTs etc there can be a lot of processing going on
2017-04-16T03:35:29 < ohsix> i can't check that shit myself until monday, don't have one here
2017-04-16T03:39:52 < upgrdman> when a 4k60 monitor, and processing 10kSPS, and rendering FFTs + histograms + line charts ... even my surface bro 4 can barely do 40fps.
2017-04-16T03:40:07 < upgrdman> that's pushing things hard, but still
2017-04-16T03:40:46 < sync_> do the brocessing in the gpu as well
2017-04-16T03:41:18 < ohsix> http://all-day-breakfast.com/js-dsp-test/fft/
2017-04-16T03:41:23 < ohsix> eh
2017-04-16T03:41:37 < ohsix> the thing doing it doesn't mean much at 4k
2017-04-16T03:41:48 < ohsix> that's more than 4x the bandwidth just to move shit around
2017-04-16T03:42:09 < ohsix> bbl lol friends
2017-04-16T03:45:04 < upgrdman> sync_, sure, but cortex a chips dont have beefy GPUs anyway
2017-04-16T03:45:17 < upgrdman> so i need to be efficient period, not just move the burden to the gpu
2017-04-16T03:46:09 < upgrdman> what does XFCE use? gtk?
2017-04-16T03:48:07 < sync_> oh, arm
2017-04-16T03:48:09 < sync_> hmm
2017-04-16T03:49:02 < sync_> hmm, does cortex a come with a dsp? that would be neat
2017-04-16T03:50:31 < sync_> just use tegra :D
2017-04-16T03:51:08 < upgrdman> sync_, i might even just cloning the BBB, or going with a xilinx zync (fpga + cortex)
2017-04-16T03:51:25 < upgrdman> but this is like a year in the future. just thinking about things for now.
2017-04-16T03:52:05 < sync_> hmm, I hear tegra is what you want for stuff like that
2017-04-16T03:52:31 < upgrdman> we have a product where they shoved a full pc + ups in it, and now they want to lower costs. and we dont need a lot of power, so a linux SBC would be fine, but we need a few other goodies so i might as well make my own so we have full control.
2017-04-16T03:52:50 < upgrdman> sync_, is tegra avail from digikey/mouser and not NDA?
2017-04-16T03:53:16 < sync_> that, I don't know
2017-04-16T03:57:58 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-04-16T03:58:00 < upgrdman> "NVIDIA provides access to the Tegra K1 Technical Reference Manual to registered developers only. To become a registered developer, please sign up for our Embedded Registered Developer Program."
2017-04-16T03:58:23 < upgrdman> fuck. that prolly means they dont care about small orgs
2017-04-16T03:58:35 < upgrdman> but the tegra k1 is $99 from arrow
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2017-04-16T04:00:21 < sync_> well, it is in a shitload of cars now
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2017-04-16T04:17:28 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z41O_A1Hiyc&feature=youtu.be
2017-04-16T04:23:48 < ReadError> hmm he comes up now and then
2017-04-16T04:40:46 < dongs> sup amperture engineers
2017-04-16T04:44:04 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/162470994782 gr8 deal on dickberypi
2017-04-16T04:46:01 < ReadError> > feedback: 12
2017-04-16T04:46:09 < dongs> shrug?
2017-04-16T04:46:14 < ReadError> rather not fuck with paypal disputes
2017-04-16T04:46:23 < dongs> lol k
2017-04-16T04:46:29 < ReadError> 92.9% Positive feedback
2017-04-16T04:46:42 < ReadError> inb4scammed
2017-04-16T04:46:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/IhFCMxZ.jpg rip
2017-04-16T04:47:08 < ReadError> damn good deal
2017-04-16T05:09:26 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/135838579 starts about 3-4 mins in
2017-04-16T05:10:11 < ReadError> demos?
2017-04-16T05:10:57 < ReadError> ah ya
2017-04-16T05:11:07 < dongs> 4k compo
2017-04-16T05:11:14 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/135854774 64k at 2:06
2017-04-16T05:15:42 < dongs> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-meth-fights-cops-masturbating-police-article-1.1557876 rip o6
2017-04-16T05:32:08 < dongs> http://tokyodemofest.jp/2017/img/content/impression/impress05--large.JPG
2017-04-16T05:32:14 < dongs> typical japanese demoparty
2017-04-16T05:35:03 < ReadError> is the bukake afterwards?
2017-04-16T05:35:15 < dongs> or during
2017-04-16T05:50:43 < upgrdman> what is normal crystal accuracy? 60ppm?
2017-04-16T05:50:55 < dongs> i think most of the chinka shit i see is around 30
2017-04-16T05:51:01 < upgrdman> hmm k
2017-04-16T06:09:16 < dongs> god damn eidolon 64k was amazing
2017-04-16T06:09:35 < dongs> the farbrausch entry was epic too
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2017-04-16T06:46:56 < upgrdman> dongs, wtf is "physical" pizza?  http://tokyodemofest.jp/2017/img/content/impression/impress06--large.JPG
2017-04-16T06:50:58 < englishman> how much estrogen does .jp put in the tapwater
2017-04-16T06:52:02 < upgrdman> anyone having problems in chrome where your scroll wheel stops working? but you can still use the scroll bars, or middle-click and pan around.
2017-04-16T06:52:19 < upgrdman> chrome started doing this to me a couple weeks ago. and only chrome.
2017-04-16T06:58:25 < dongs> upgrdman: intel graphics?
2017-04-16T06:58:38 < dongs> known thing with chrome + intel igp
2017-04-16T06:58:41 < upgrdman> no, gtx1080
2017-04-16T06:58:44 < dongs> huh weird
2017-04-16T06:58:50 < dongs> dekstop then right?
2017-04-16T06:58:53 < upgrdman> ya
2017-04-16T06:59:10 < upgrdman> and it also happens on my bro4, which has igp
2017-04-16T06:59:17 < upgrdman> but this box is gtx1080
2017-04-16T06:59:21 < upgrdman> and same problem
2017-04-16T06:59:42 < upgrdman> only thing in common is the logitech m705, but i dont think that driver has changed recently
2017-04-16T06:59:55 < dongs> donno im on quadro K1200 and M560 logitech and it scrolls fine
2017-04-16T07:00:07 < dongs> upgrdman: wait, does it COMPLETELY stop scrolling or if you run the wheel a LOT it will scroll just a bit
2017-04-16T07:00:37 < dongs> under some heavy cpu load I've had the driver forget how many lines of scroll should exist and have to reconnect the logidick dongle thing
2017-04-16T07:00:50 < dongs> so when it does that, scroll (in evryt app) becomes super slow
2017-04-16T07:00:52 < upgrdman> yes completely
2017-04-16T07:00:54 < upgrdman> but only chrome
2017-04-16T07:00:57 < dongs> ok different then
2017-04-16T07:00:59 < dongs> donno
2017-04-16T07:01:07 < dongs> but last i heard chrome not scrolling was intel gpu probelm so..
2017-04-16T07:01:21 < dongs> also: no idea waht physical pizza is
2017-04-16T07:01:30 < upgrdman> and like, if i have chrome + irc open, chrome will stop scrolling, and if i just move my mouse over irc i can scroll irc (even with chrome still the active window)
2017-04-16T07:01:35 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-16T07:01:47 < dongs> upgrdman: the latter is just normal win10 behavior
2017-04-16T07:01:49 < dongs> its on by default
2017-04-16T07:01:51 < upgrdman> ya
2017-04-16T07:01:55 < dongs> allow scrolling even un-active windows
2017-04-16T07:02:02 < upgrdman> i know, but i mean, it's not like windows is shitting on my mouse. only chrome is
2017-04-16T07:02:06 < dongs> right
2017-04-16T07:02:40 < upgrdman> hmm ya and logidong software hasnt changed in years... Software Version: 6.67.83
2017-04-16T07:02:40 < upgrdman> Post Date: 8-SEPT-2015
2017-04-16T07:02:50 < upgrdman> which is the newest version
2017-04-16T07:03:05 < dongs> ya software is fine. it doesnt do much anyway
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2017-04-16T07:55:53 < ReadError> hey uh
2017-04-16T07:56:04 < ReadError> if anyone was trying to be like that macbook repair guy
2017-04-16T07:56:23 < ReadError> amazon has a ton of stereo AmScopes for 1/2 off
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2017-04-16T09:35:07 < ReadError> fucking chrome
2017-04-16T09:35:10 < ReadError> and scrolling
2017-04-16T09:35:26 < upgrdman> ReadError, you have same problem as me?
2017-04-16T09:35:31 < ReadError> well
2017-04-16T09:35:33 < ReadError> some tabs
2017-04-16T09:35:37 < ReadError> the mouse wheel stops working
2017-04-16T09:35:43 < ReadError> just isolated to that tab
2017-04-16T09:35:46 < dongs> oh lul
2017-04-16T09:35:50 < dongs> thats why I never see it
2017-04-16T09:35:53 < dongs> cuz i dont use tabs
2017-04-16T09:35:55 < ReadError> its fucking annoying
2017-04-16T09:35:55 < upgrdman> hmm i should see if mine is tab-specific too
2017-04-16T09:35:56 < ReadError> wtf
2017-04-16T09:36:06 < ReadError> you dont...use tabs
2017-04-16T09:36:15 < dongs> yes, i ahve this thing called explorer.exe
2017-04-16T09:36:17 < dongs> it manages windows
2017-04-16T09:36:21 < dongs> so i can you know, find them
2017-04-16T09:36:24 < upgrdman> oh shit ya
2017-04-16T09:36:24 < dongs> in the list of open windows
2017-04-16T09:36:34 < upgrdman> if i switch tabs, the other tabs scrool
2017-04-16T09:36:35 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-16T09:36:35 < ReadError> its a chrome bug
2017-04-16T09:36:38 < ReadError> upgrdman:
2017-04-16T09:36:49 < ReadError> happened after the last major rls
2017-04-16T09:36:56 < upgrdman> ah
2017-04-16T09:37:08 < upgrdman> how often do they troll with new releases
2017-04-16T09:37:18 < upgrdman> are we fucked until like 2018q1 or someshit
2017-04-16T09:37:18 < ReadError> theres a cycle
2017-04-16T09:37:23 < dongs> they fucked with highdpi and now its useless without command line option to start :(
2017-04-16T09:37:25 < ReadError> but who knows if they are working on a fix
2017-04-16T09:37:38 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-16T09:37:39 < ReadError> huh
2017-04-16T09:37:46 < ReadError> ive never had to use cli to start chrome
2017-04-16T09:37:51 < dongs> for the last few months I had to start up chrome with --high-dpi-support=1 --force-device-scale-factor=1
2017-04-16T09:38:04 < dongs> because for some fucked up reason tehy decided to rescale top of UI based on display scalefactor
2017-04-16T09:38:11 < ReadError> whats that change?
2017-04-16T09:38:13 < dongs> so at 125% the top menu/etcl ooks HUGE
2017-04-16T09:38:14 < dongs> try it
2017-04-16T09:38:24 < dongs> kill all chromes and fire it up with that cli on 4K screen
2017-04-16T09:38:31 < dongs> it wastes space
2017-04-16T09:38:38 < dongs> without it
2017-04-16T09:39:18 < dongs> they did that in 57 or 56 or so
2017-04-16T09:39:28 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/t4aK5fC.png
2017-04-16T09:39:35 < ReadError> theres not really any space wasted
2017-04-16T09:40:15 < ReadError> whats yours look like?
2017-04-16T09:40:49 < dongs> i have too many windows open to restart it
2017-04-16T09:41:14 < dongs> with that cli, it looks normal size
2017-04-16T09:41:17 < dongs> without it, its zoomed up
2017-04-16T09:41:24 < dongs> wasting 125% more space
2017-04-16T09:41:34 < dongs> ya yours is scaled.
2017-04-16T09:41:48 < dongs> exit and restart with that cli.
2017-04-16T09:43:31 < dongs> the problem wihtout it is that it gets scaled twice
2017-04-16T09:43:34 < dongs> because google is dumb
2017-04-16T09:43:47 < dongs> first google scales it based on device scale factor tehy get from registry
2017-04-16T09:43:51 < dongs> and then windows scales it again
2017-04-16T09:43:59 < dongs> so it ends up bigger than every other fucking window on desktop
2017-04-16T09:44:22 < dongs> since chrome users are retards who love amp
2017-04-16T09:44:26 < dongs> and use 4K screens at 400% scaling
2017-04-16T09:44:28 < dongs> like they're on 1080p
2017-04-16T09:44:33 < dongs> they never notice this
2017-04-16T09:44:41 < ReadError> oh wow
2017-04-16T09:45:00 < ReadError> but now it just looks kinda worse
2017-04-16T09:45:10 < ReadError> like the fonts too big for the next ui
2017-04-16T09:45:22 < dongs> next ui?
2017-04-16T09:45:35 < ReadError> new*
2017-04-16T09:45:53 < dongs> fonts look fine on mine
2017-04-16T09:46:08 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/ns001qN.png
2017-04-16T09:46:20 < ReadError> tab font is huge compared to url
2017-04-16T09:46:32 < dongs> thats... i dont know
2017-04-16T09:46:36 < dongs> my tab font and url font are same
2017-04-16T09:46:46 < ReadError> the min/max/close buttons seem squished down
2017-04-16T09:47:03 < ReadError> like smaller than all my other windows
2017-04-16T09:47:56 < ReadError> amazing how shit hdpi support still is
2017-04-16T09:47:58 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/oI6UWI6.png doenst look bigger for me
2017-04-16T09:48:22 < dongs> yours is def bigger but mine is just a bit? more
2017-04-16T09:48:35 < ReadError> yea its quite a bit bigger
2017-04-16T09:48:44 < ReadError> look how small the url text is
2017-04-16T09:49:20 < dongs> fucking aids
2017-04-16T09:49:26 < ReadError> lol when did windows add FLUX
2017-04-16T09:49:33 < dongs> cretin update
2017-04-16T09:49:38 < dongs> its kinda borked but better than flux at least
2017-04-16T09:49:47 < dongs> finally i dont need to isntall that shit
2017-04-16T09:50:07 < ReadError> anything else useful added?
2017-04-16T09:50:12 < dongs> msopaint 3d
2017-04-16T09:50:22 < ReadError> useful*
2017-04-16T09:50:53 < ReadError> god i wish they had alt+`
2017-04-16T09:51:04 < dongs> the fuck is that
2017-04-16T09:51:09 < dongs> some macfag trash?
2017-04-16T09:51:13 < ReadError> cycles windows of the same app
2017-04-16T09:51:19 < dongs> ...
2017-04-16T09:51:19 < ReadError> like alt+tab
2017-04-16T09:51:25 < dongs> what is "windows of same app"
2017-04-16T09:51:33 < ReadError> if you have 5 chrome windows open
2017-04-16T09:51:41 < ReadError> it will just alt-tab between those 5
2017-04-16T09:51:45 < ReadError> not everything on the system
2017-04-16T09:56:19 < dongs> useless
2017-04-16T09:57:40 < ReadError> nah its super useful
2017-04-16T09:57:47 < dongs> only for macfags
2017-04-16T09:57:52 < dongs> who don't have concept of windows
2017-04-16T09:57:58 < dongs> since everything is maximized wiht menu bar on top
2017-04-16T09:58:03 < ReadError> useful enough that theres 3rd party stuff to add it to windows
2017-04-16T09:58:07 < dongs> nope
2017-04-16T09:58:46 < ReadError> fags still didnt fix windows firewall + linux subsystem
2017-04-16T09:59:22 < ReadError> their recommended solution -> disable windows firewall
2017-04-16T09:59:39 < dongs> why teh fuck would anyone use either of those things
2017-04-16T09:59:43 < dongs> failwall is first thing I turn off
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2017-04-16T10:00:47 < ReadError> i use it to stop a lot of the windows trash
2017-04-16T10:00:57 < ReadError> and apps randomly dialing out
2017-04-16T10:00:59 < dongs> "stop" from whaT? actually being useful?
2017-04-16T10:01:04 < ReadError> but use windows firewall control
2017-04-16T10:01:16 < ReadError> so its easy not retarded how it is by default
2017-04-16T10:01:29 < ReadError> cortana all kinds of stuff
2017-04-16T10:01:33 < dongs> no idea bro. i use a computer to get work done
2017-04-16T10:01:40 < dongs> failwall is one of those things that prevents work
2017-04-16T10:01:58 < dongs> i ahve legal licensed software and I don't give a fuck about shit "calling home"
2017-04-16T10:02:00 < ReadError> yea have you seen how many http request are made?
2017-04-16T10:02:05 < dongs> no
2017-04-16T10:02:08 < dongs> i dont give the slightest fuck
2017-04-16T10:02:08 < ReadError> it would suprise you
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2017-04-16T10:03:03 < ReadError> 2017-4-14  10:49:52	Code-PC	cdn.content.prod.cms.msn.com
2017-04-16T10:03:03 < ReadError> 2017-4-14  10:49:52	Code-PC	v10.vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
2017-04-16T10:03:03 < ReadError> 2017-4-14  10:49:52	Code-PC	settings-win.data.microsoft.com
2017-04-16T10:03:14 < dongs> who fucking cares dude
2017-04-16T10:03:34 < ReadError> 2017-4-14  11:50:53	Code-PC	crl.microsoft.com
2017-04-16T10:03:43 < ReadError> 2017-4-14  10:49:53	Code-PC	BN4SCH101122323.wns.windows.com
2017-04-16T10:03:43 < ReadError> 2017-4-14  10:49:53	Code-PC	client.wns.windows.com
2017-04-16T10:03:47 < ReadError> the fuck is all this
2017-04-16T10:04:44 < ReadError> 2017-4-15  00:32:08	CARBIDE	tile-service.weather.microsoft.com
2017-04-16T10:04:44 < ReadError> 2017-4-15  00:32:08	CARBIDE	cdn.onenote.net
2017-04-16T10:04:44 < ReadError> 2017-4-15  00:26:08	CARBIDE	livetileedge.dsx.mp.microsoft.com
2017-04-16T10:04:53 < ReadError> ive never even used onenote
2017-04-16T10:04:58 < ReadError> or weather
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2017-04-16T10:32:50 < ReadError> oh shit dongs
2017-04-16T10:33:01 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/h9cbxgXN/gnuBIRD.png
2017-04-16T10:33:14 < ReadError> GNU penis burd
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2017-04-16T10:59:13 < ohsix> balls
2017-04-16T11:03:13 < ohsix> upgrdman: gpus on intel embedded tinyshits are pretty ok
2017-04-16T11:03:41 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya but theyre still far from a dgpu
2017-04-16T11:04:13 < ohsix> shit like the nuc but generic
2017-04-16T11:05:52 < ohsix> upgrdman: if you have the smooth scrolling extension installed that comes with that logitech shit, turn it off
2017-04-16T11:06:43 < dongs> all AMPed up and ready
2017-04-16T11:06:47 < upgrdman> ohsix, tried, that didnt help
2017-04-16T11:06:48 < dongs> google.com open lets go
2017-04-16T11:06:52 < dongs> whos faster
2017-04-16T11:07:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: not for this
2017-04-16T11:08:05 < ohsix> srsly
2017-04-16T11:08:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, ?
2017-04-16T11:08:27 < ReadError> dongs on them AMPhetamines
2017-04-16T11:09:01 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1038A3zKyOw not bad
2017-04-16T11:09:02 < ohsix> the intel gpus vs. discrete
2017-04-16T11:09:21 < ohsix> do you have a lunix that isn't a surface pro
2017-04-16T11:09:29 < upgrdman> ohsix, i dont
2017-04-16T11:09:45 < dongs> maybe i should check out that tokyo demo party next year
2017-04-16T11:10:26 < ohsix> upgrdman: i got some with different thermal envelope stuff, build a benchmark version of telemetryviewer i can get stats4u with
2017-04-16T11:11:00 < upgrdman> ohsix, well i have a bro4 with igp, and this desktop with a gtx1080
2017-04-16T11:11:02 < ohsix> you can also look at the thermal setup shit in the surface pro to see how it restricts the package temps
2017-04-16T11:11:18 < upgrdman> ohsix, sure
2017-04-16T11:11:19 < dongs> upgrdman: already determined the problem. just stop using tabs
2017-04-16T11:11:27 < upgrdman> dongs, fail
2017-04-16T11:11:31 < dongs> ?
2017-04-16T11:11:41 < dongs> the fact that I've NEVER had this problem shows it clearly works
2017-04-16T11:11:59 < upgrdman> dongs, you're the only non-idiot i know that does NOT use tabs
2017-04-16T11:12:09 < upgrdman> like you, and my mom are the only people that dont use tabs
2017-04-16T11:12:10 < dongs> what is the usecase for tabs
2017-04-16T11:12:12 < dongs> like fucking seirosuly
2017-04-16T11:12:13 < upgrdman> in all of humanity
2017-04-16T11:12:22 < dongs> when I alt-tab i want to see the window title
2017-04-16T11:12:24 < ohsix> this laptop was made in 2012, lets see
2017-04-16T11:12:26 < dongs> how do you see the window title with tabs>?
2017-04-16T11:12:32 < upgrdman> dongs, lots of web pages, without fucktons of windows
2017-04-16T11:12:34 < dongs> plus, if you open more than liek 4 oif them, you cant even SEE the title of the page
2017-04-16T11:12:37 < dongs> ????????
2017-04-16T11:12:38 < dongs> but why
2017-04-16T11:12:47 < ohsix> stop taking the bait
2017-04-16T11:12:48 < upgrdman> dongs, the tabs show enough of the titles
2017-04-16T11:12:54 < dongs> no they dont
2017-04-16T11:12:58 < ohsix> dongs gets more from us than anyone gets from him
2017-04-16T11:13:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/t4aK5fC.png
2017-04-16T11:13:03 < upgrdman> and im not some faggot with 100 tabs. i have maybe 3-10 tabs
2017-04-16T11:13:04 < dongs> typical faggot tab user
2017-04-16T11:13:06 < dongs>  (readstoner)
2017-04-16T11:13:19 < dongs> o6 has like 2000 tabs
2017-04-16T11:13:23 < dongs> bceause he's too autistic to close htem all
2017-04-16T11:13:44 < dongs> upgrdman: i used to haev an extension that closed windows i didnt switch to for > 24h
2017-04-16T11:13:53 < dongs> (used to beacuse too lazy to reinstall it)
2017-04-16T11:14:17 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-16T11:14:28 < upgrdman> im the opposite. i close shit too often
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2017-04-16T11:14:35 < dongs> thats another thing
2017-04-16T11:14:36 < upgrdman> i like to "clean off my desk"
2017-04-16T11:14:40 < dongs> if you close tabs
2017-04-16T11:14:44 < dongs> tehy dont make it into your chrome history
2017-04-16T11:14:49 < dongs> they do, but the order is wack
2017-04-16T11:14:52 < dongs> as opposed to closing a window
2017-04-16T11:15:01 < upgrdman> how often do you rely on histroy
2017-04-16T11:15:13 < dongs> chrome has ctrl+w bug
2017-04-16T11:15:15 < upgrdman> why you no bookmark
2017-04-16T11:15:16 < dongs> that if you ahve a window open
2017-04-16T11:15:16 < ReadError> all the time
2017-04-16T11:15:18 < ReadError> i use history
2017-04-16T11:15:21 < dongs> and some gay link opens in new tab
2017-04-16T11:15:23 < ReadError> finding a url from months ago
2017-04-16T11:15:27 < dongs> and you ctrl+w it
2017-04-16T11:15:31 < dongs> it closes both the tab and window
2017-04-16T11:15:39 < upgrdman> ReadError, sure, but then the exact history order doesnt matter
2017-04-16T11:15:39 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul, like cleaning my desk, that analogy would be burning my library
2017-04-16T11:15:42 < dongs> that happens enough that i need to poke into history quite often
2017-04-16T11:15:50 < ohsix> i'm only here for a little while longer
2017-04-16T11:15:51 < dongs> upgrdman: bookmark what
2017-04-16T11:15:57 < ReadError> dongs: what? ctrl+w closes the active tab
2017-04-16T11:15:59 < upgrdman> dongs, anything you want to see later
2017-04-16T11:16:00 < dongs> chrome made bookmarking so retarded its almost impossible to use
2017-04-16T11:16:08 < ReadError> not noticed any bug
2017-04-16T11:16:16 < dongs> ReadError: open window + one tab, try closing the one tab.
2017-04-16T11:16:24 < dongs> 20-30% of the time it will close both
2017-04-16T11:16:30 < ReadError> yea as it should, no?
2017-04-16T11:16:33 < dongs> ...
2017-04-16T11:16:34 < dongs> BOTH?
2017-04-16T11:16:42 < ReadError> a window inherently needs 1 tab
2017-04-16T11:16:53 < ReadError> last tab closed would close window too
2017-04-16T11:17:02 < upgrdman> dongs, are you switch bouncing the w or some shit? never had that problem
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2017-04-16T11:18:09 < ReadError> yea sounds like ur double tapping if you have 2 tabs open and ctrl+w closes the window
2017-04-16T11:19:37 < upgrdman> anyone know of a book or big ass tutorial on to make an SBC? kinda tempted to just clone a BBB and trying to figure it out as i go.
2017-04-16T11:19:55 < ohsix>       "launch_count": "111",
2017-04-16T11:19:55 < ohsix>       "page_load_count": "352210",
2017-04-16T11:19:56 < ohsix> heh
2017-04-16T11:20:16 < ohsix> just clone the bbb, its a good start
2017-04-16T11:20:25 < dongs> why bother
2017-04-16T11:20:33 < dongs> wahts is there to "book"
2017-04-16T11:20:35 < ohsix> believe it or not, there aren't many people doing that
2017-04-16T11:20:40 < dongs> you throw shit on pcb and make it in ch ina
2017-04-16T11:20:51 < Thorn> there is a video course
2017-04-16T11:20:58 < Thorn> by Robert Feranec iirc
2017-04-16T11:21:04 < dongs> yeah but thats about imx
2017-04-16T11:21:05 < dongs> its aids
2017-04-16T11:22:20 < upgrdman> dongs, well i mean like a tutorial covering how to go from pcb to bootable linux.
2017-04-16T11:22:46 < upgrdman> like if you've never does cortex a shit, how do i got from schematic for dickbutt-over-hdmi?
2017-04-16T11:22:48 < Thorn> there're yocto linux tutorials
2017-04-16T11:22:48 < upgrdman> s/for/to
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2017-04-16T11:23:10 < upgrdman> wuts yocto? some sbc?
2017-04-16T11:23:19 < Thorn> embedded linux distro
2017-04-16T11:23:23 < upgrdman> o
2017-04-16T11:23:25 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: yocto is a system to build embedded distros, based on OpenEmbedded
2017-04-16T11:23:30 < upgrdman> o nice
2017-04-16T11:23:32  * upgrdman googles
2017-04-16T11:23:40 < PaulFertser> Kinda like gentoo when you cross-compile it.
2017-04-16T11:23:59 < dongs> upgrdman: without paying $$$$ to whaever SoC vendor, you generally dont
2017-04-16T11:24:19 < ohsix> board support boners
2017-04-16T11:24:22 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, nice. thx
2017-04-16T11:24:36 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, imx got most docs in the open, without nda, no idea what you find not nice about it, compared to other vendors.
2017-04-16T11:25:06 < upgrdman> is imx avail of digikey/mouser/etc, or is it hard to find
2017-04-16T11:25:16 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: but what you're after, really? Do you fancy routing some mDDR3 on a 6-layered board with blind vias or are you rather after understanding the software side of the story?
2017-04-16T11:25:18 < dongs> available.
2017-04-16T11:25:26 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-16T11:25:35 < dongs> and wat PaulFertser says
2017-04-16T11:25:39 < dongs> you're autisming way too much
2017-04-16T11:25:47 < Thorn> I've been watching a zynq based series on youtube. from start to a kernel driver for a custom soft device. slow and painful shit
2017-04-16T11:26:00 < ohsix> if you're going to do anything at all, check random shit to see if the gpu is fast enough
2017-04-16T11:26:24 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, well at work, some time in the future, they want me to make an SBC with linux on it. basically we're using a full pc right now, and they want to cut costs, and might as well make a custom SBC with some other goodies on it to interface with our hardware etc
2017-04-16T11:26:49 < Thorn> there are modules (soc + ddr + flash) on a small pcb
2017-04-16T11:27:02 < ohsix> cut costs -> intel nuc
2017-04-16T11:27:03 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I personally do not understand why one might want to use Yocto instead of, say, Debian, because you basically have to fight cross-compilation issues every now and then in the first case, and you just skip that tiresome part in the second.
2017-04-16T11:27:07 < upgrdman> Thorn, link to yt vids plz
2017-04-16T11:27:25 < Thorn> you can make a custom base board for a module like that
2017-04-16T11:27:28 < ohsix> your own cost per board if you did your shit yourself isn't going to be as low as you think, until you're making like 10k at a time
2017-04-16T11:27:32 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: how about buying a ready-made SoC + DDR module and building a "motherboard" for it?
2017-04-16T11:27:39 < ohsix> dumb, later
2017-04-16T11:27:54 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah don't even bothe with that shit. Use a SoM, rageberry compute module or any of hundreds of long-term support SODIMM-sized boards and just make a carrier board for it
2017-04-16T11:27:59 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, guess i could. any recommendations?
2017-04-16T11:28:06 < dongs> literally anything
2017-04-16T11:28:10 < dongs> rageberry compute module is one.
2017-04-16T11:28:21 < PaulFertser> Yep, if you're happy with its features.
2017-04-16T11:28:23 < PaulFertser> Cheap too
2017-04-16T11:28:32 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: do you need wifi connectivity?
2017-04-16T11:28:33 < Thorn> undocumented china soc
2017-04-16T11:28:39 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, prolly not
2017-04-16T11:29:00 < dongs> https://www.acmesystems.it/aria there's this kinda trash for pretty much any lunix-capable processor
2017-04-16T11:29:27 < Thorn> upgrdman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPnmB-THjiY 6 parts in total
2017-04-16T11:30:20 < dongs> https://www.toradex.com/computer-on-modules < upgrdman
2017-04-16T11:31:28 < upgrdman> thx
2017-04-16T11:31:40 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: and what about the featureset? Probably it's ok to just use some cheap allwinner-based shit?
2017-04-16T11:31:52 < dongs> anyway, rolling your own is almost never worth it
2017-04-16T11:32:05 < dongs> someone else already did all the work
2017-04-16T11:32:32 < dongs> http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=109 stick that in enclosure inside your shit, done
2017-04-16T11:32:39 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, something like a pi is prolly fine. ethernet, hdmi, open gl es support.
2017-04-16T11:33:23 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: oh, so opengl es, that's an important point.
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2017-04-16T11:34:06 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, o ok. ya. not 100% critical, but it would help in out use case.
2017-04-16T11:35:26 < dongs> compute module is prety good
2017-04-16T11:35:34 < dongs> CM3 is same shit as rageberry3
2017-04-16T11:35:47 < dongs> you can route out HDMI, 2 csi cams, all the gpio etc
2017-04-16T11:36:18 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: for allwinner, http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali_binary_driver might be a starting point regarding GLES.
2017-04-16T11:37:16 < dongs> closed sores binary drivers
2017-04-16T11:37:24 < PaulFertser> dongs: just as you like it
2017-04-16T11:37:42 < dongs> does it taint
2017-04-16T11:38:00 < dongs> god damn all those steps
2017-04-16T11:38:07 < PaulFertser> Probably it'd be less pain to use a ready-made SBC with an addon board than a compute-module where you need to take care of routing high-speed buses properly etc.
2017-04-16T11:38:09 < dongs> on windows its like: run nvidiasetup.exe
2017-04-16T11:38:26 < upgrdman> ya im just brainstorming for now
2017-04-16T11:38:32 < dongs> PaulFertser: he was gonna route DDR, you think he cant route hdmi?
2017-04-16T11:38:38 < upgrdman> this project isnt even going to be a priority ofr at least 6 months, maybe a year
2017-04-16T11:38:51 < PaulFertser> dongs: well, it's still time and probably hw iterations, tradeoffs you know
2017-04-16T11:39:19 < dongs> PaulFertser: at least some som vendors claim to ahev a longevity/support program
2017-04-16T11:39:23 < dongs> you never know if you buy some chink sbc
2017-04-16T11:39:33 < PaulFertser> True
2017-04-16T11:40:03 < PaulFertser> For real professional cases, I'd check Freescale-based offers. I do not trust broadcom much.
2017-04-16T11:40:31 < PaulFertser> No HW Ethernet MAC in that rpi SoC, what a shame
2017-04-16T11:40:44 < dongs> there's always shit like gumstix, lol. tehy even have a gui dragndrop thing to make carrier boards for their shit, web based
2017-04-16T11:40:57 < dongs> so you can drop in hdmi, csi , whatever gpio stuff and tehy'll route it for you and send you boards.
2017-04-16T11:41:15 < dongs> https://www.gumstix.com/geppetto/overview/
2017-04-16T11:41:16 < dongs> this shit
2017-04-16T11:41:20 < PaulFertser> imx, right?
2017-04-16T11:41:32 < dongs> gumstix? nah they use all sorts of stuff i think mostly ti tho?
2017-04-16T11:41:33 < dongs> last i checked
2017-04-16T11:41:53 < dongs> oh looks like they have imx shit now too
2017-04-16T11:42:12 < PaulFertser> Cool shit
2017-04-16T11:42:27 < dongs> https://store.gumstix.com/coms.html?limit=36
2017-04-16T11:43:53 < PaulFertser> That price though
2017-04-16T11:43:59 < dongs> yea well
2017-04-16T11:44:04 < dongs> i dont think they ever sold anything < $100
2017-04-16T11:44:11 < dongs> i used their shit for some work stuff like 5-6 yearsa go
2017-04-16T11:45:23 < PaulFertser> btw, allwinner had hardware sata in a20 but all the latter offers lack it, go figure
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2017-04-16T11:47:04 < dongs> probably the company they stole IP from noticed it
2017-04-16T11:47:06 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: my suggestion, if you want to get it working faster, don't bother with cross-compiling. You can always auto-build in qemubuilder or similar, or use distcc. Cross-building just adds pain every now and then, for really little gain. Unless you're targetting like 16M RAM / 4M flash devices.
2017-04-16T11:47:08 < dongs> and banned htem from making more
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2017-04-16T12:38:19 < zyp> 10:38:07 < PaulFertser> Probably it'd be less pain to use a ready-made SBC with an addon board than a compute-module where you need to take care of routing high-speed buses properly etc.
2017-04-16T12:38:46 < zyp> using a SBC tends to lock you to shitty connector placements
2017-04-16T12:39:09 < zyp> and for some reason nobody is putting usb on the addon headers
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2017-04-16T12:44:51 < zyp> the problem with the rpi cm3 is that they left out both the lan part and the wlan part from the cm
2017-04-16T12:45:09 < zyp> so you end up having to add it to the carrier board
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2017-04-16T12:59:18 < dongs> not a problem if you dont need either
2017-04-16T12:59:27 < dongs> its not like rageberry lan part is actually useful
2017-04-16T12:59:32 < dongs> retarded USB ethernet
2017-04-16T13:03:54 < zyp> true
2017-04-16T13:05:15 < zyp> but I can't really imagine not needing either, connectivity is important
2017-04-16T13:05:26 < dongs> shrug
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2017-04-16T14:42:33 < Steffanx> hi crt
2017-04-16T14:43:55 < Steffanx> good
2017-04-16T14:44:12 < Steffanx> mom isnt home/
2017-04-16T14:44:51 < Steffanx> idk
2017-04-16T14:52:48 < Steffanx> lol
2017-04-16T14:59:15 < Steffanx> i have none
2017-04-16T15:04:32 < Steffanx> So tell us about your day crt
2017-04-16T15:05:22 < Steffanx> </day> ?
2017-04-16T15:05:42 < Steffanx> female friend?
2017-04-16T15:06:00 < Steffanx> Excellent.
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2017-04-16T15:07:45 < Thorn> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/04/new_c_secure_co.html
2017-04-16T15:11:01 < Steffanx> Dongs replied to that post too it seems. 2nd comment from top.
2017-04-16T15:11:39 < dongs> lol
2017-04-16T15:13:07 < Steffanx> https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/cplusplus/EXP54-CPP.+Do+not+access+an+object+outside+of+its+lifetime .. captain obvious much?
2017-04-16T15:14:03 < Thorn> they're complaining about unsigned overflow as if integer promotion has been fixed already
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2017-04-16T15:20:39 < Steffanx> pEOPLE here use some jlink clone?
2017-04-16T15:22:41 < Thorn> I do
2017-04-16T15:27:25 < Steffanx> one of those black cased one i guess?
2017-04-16T15:28:18 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GOOD-TEST-EMULATOR-V8-V9-V9-3-V9-4-IF-YOU-HAVE-TARGET-PRICE-OR-QUESTION/32779051270.html
2017-04-16T15:31:53 < Steffanx> Wonder if its any different from those at ebay for $10 ( which says v8)
2017-04-16T15:35:25 < qyx> I don't get the discussion on the schneier's blog
2017-04-16T15:37:02 < qyx> whats wrong with the people today
2017-04-16T15:37:10 < qyx> so much hatress in the it worlds
2017-04-16T15:37:18 < Steffanx> that.
2017-04-16T15:37:21 < Steffanx> indeed.
2017-04-16T15:37:31 < qyx> they should code in the brianfuck
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2017-04-16T15:38:36 < qyx> relevant to the discussion, I can smell some easter schnitzels
2017-04-16T15:39:01 < Thorn> http://eberhard-sturm.de/ZIV/PL1andC.html
2017-04-16T15:39:04 < Steffanx> Easter schnitzels? Wut?
2017-04-16T15:39:05 < Thorn> from 1994
2017-04-16T15:40:57 < qyx> people here use to do potato salat with schitzels on Sunday during the Easter
2017-04-16T15:41:18 < qyx> or similar stuff
2017-04-16T15:41:32 < Steffanx> ah ok
2017-04-16T16:03:13 < Thorn> https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/cplusplus/MEM57-CPP.+Avoid+using+default+operator+new+for+over-aligned+types
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2017-04-16T16:26:57 < englishman> Steffanx: v9 is quite different, stm32f2 inside instead of atmelshit
2017-04-16T16:27:55 < Steffanx> oh we have a cloner too? :P
2017-04-16T16:28:55 < Steffanx> but thanks for clearifying.
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2017-04-16T17:21:21 < Thorn> mine has an f2 in it
2017-04-16T17:24:54 < englishman> is that the exact one you bought Thorn ?
2017-04-16T17:25:05 < Thorn> yes
2017-04-16T17:25:07 < englishman> i remember you linked one a few weeks ago
2017-04-16T17:25:09 < englishman> cool
2017-04-16T17:25:22 < englishman> snow geese just landed
2017-04-16T17:25:28 < englishman> time to dress up as elmer fudd
2017-04-16T17:27:12 < Steffanx> We need pics when you do that.
2017-04-16T17:27:20 < Steffanx> You can blur your face.
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2017-04-16T17:42:57 < Steffanx> Love it when google has a 2nd page but does not have a 2nd page.
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2017-04-16T21:10:40 < Streaker> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-For-Arduin0/32583622393.html
2017-04-16T21:11:06 < Streaker> How is this selling for less than the price of a bare chip on digikey?
2017-04-16T21:11:43 < Streaker> Are there fake STM32s in the market?
2017-04-16T21:11:51 < qyx> they are cloning for living
2017-04-16T21:23:41 < upgrdman> nice hybrid  http://i.imgur.com/dLIO9kI.jpg
2017-04-16T21:25:29 < Steffanx> lol
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2017-04-16T21:35:26 < upgrdman> learning pottery, legit lol'd    http://i.imgur.com/N4OHndB.gifv
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2017-04-16T22:29:55 < qyx> wut http://ptspts.blogspot.sk/2013/12/how-to-make-smaller-c-and-c-binaries.html
2017-04-16T22:30:45 < zyp> hmm?
2017-04-16T22:30:46 < qyx> "In C++, avoid STL. Use C library functions instead"
2017-04-16T22:30:57 < qyx> seems like he was on drugs while writing some of the points
2017-04-16T22:31:14 < zyp> well, it's true
2017-04-16T22:31:31 < zyp> not necessarily a good idea, but pretty obvious that it's true
2017-04-16T22:31:39 < qyx> yeah, if you take the topic literally, it makes sense
2017-04-16T22:31:58 < apo> c-and-c-binaries
2017-04-16T22:32:02 < apo> gotta love these urls
2017-04-16T22:32:21 < zyp> for C lib functions you link to external libs, STL is full of templates so a lot of that code ends up in your binary
2017-04-16T22:32:38 < qyx> actually, I was googling how gcc optimizes string constants
2017-04-16T22:33:29 < qyx> if it is better to generate enum of modules by parsing the sources
2017-04-16T22:33:35 < zyp> optimizes how? I assume it keeps a list of them all, deduplicates it, then stuffs it into .rodata
2017-04-16T22:33:59 < qyx> or it is better and easier to just use strings
2017-04-16T22:34:03 < zyp> for each translation unit
2017-04-16T22:34:03 < qyx> yes, deduplication mainly
2017-04-16T22:34:17 < qyx> but for final linking
2017-04-16T22:34:26 < zyp> probably no deduplication there
2017-04-16T22:38:36 < qyx> I am constantly facing the problem of doing eg. a list of different structs/types in C
2017-04-16T22:38:48 < qyx> in a way that it is possible to determine the type when traversing it
2017-04-16T22:39:06 < qyx> easy to do in a OO language, but not in C
2017-04-16T22:40:07 < qyx> you can do a list of unions to avoid casting, but still the union has to be generated dynamically
2017-04-16T22:40:30 < qyx> and also it is not possible to determine the type
2017-04-16T22:41:00 < qyx> some enum/constant can be used as a part of the list item, but the same apply (how to generate its contents)
2017-04-16T22:41:48 < zyp> this doesn't really sound like a problem that OO solves for you
2017-04-16T22:41:50 < qyx> using string contants instead of enums can save some trouble, but doesn't prevent collisions during compile time
2017-04-16T22:42:11 < zyp> what are you trying to do anyway?
2017-04-16T22:43:06 < qyx> a list of modules, each defined by typedef'd struct
2017-04-16T22:43:14 < qyx> initialized by eg. searching a i2c bus
2017-04-16T22:43:19 < zyp> yeah?
2017-04-16T22:43:48 < qyx> and then eg. printing sensor values, but each module/sensor is handled differently
2017-04-16T22:44:27 < zyp> oh, polymorphism
2017-04-16T22:44:32 < qyx> yes
2017-04-16T22:44:35 < zyp> that's doable in C
2017-04-16T22:44:48 < qyx> of course, but it is meh
2017-04-16T22:44:51 < zyp> just define a struct of function pointers
2017-04-16T22:45:12 < zyp> libopencm3 does their usb drivers like that, for instance
2017-04-16T22:46:01 < qyx> I do things this way, but thats manageable if only a single level is needed
2017-04-16T22:46:22 < zyp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/lib/usb/usb_f107.c#L36 <- here's their dwc_otg driver
2017-04-16T22:46:24 < qyx> consider a module defined by its struct (= class)
2017-04-16T22:46:37 < qyx> theres a virtual method table
2017-04-16T22:47:20 < qyx> yes, eexactly
2017-04-16T22:48:16 < zyp> and this is what C++ does under the hood when you have polymorphic classes
2017-04-16T22:48:51 < zyp> and if that alone doesn't solve your problem, I don't think simply switching to C++ would either
2017-04-16T22:49:02 < qyx> wait, I am rethinking the problem
2017-04-16T22:49:11 < qyx> I just forgot whats the actual problem here
2017-04-16T22:49:48 < zyp> I'm guessing that your problem is that you can't really define a common API that all instances can adhere to?
2017-04-16T22:50:12 < qyx> that too
2017-04-16T22:50:47 < zyp> well, depending on what you're doing, you might need to do a common subset that lets you determine which sub-API to use
2017-04-16T22:50:53 < qyx> imagine implementing a service locator pattern
2017-04-16T22:51:40 < qyx> all interfaces would have to inherit from a common class
2017-04-16T22:52:10 < zyp> I guess that's what I just described
2017-04-16T22:52:39 < zyp> idk, I'm not good at named patterns, I care more about how they work than what people call them
2017-04-16T22:52:56 < qyx> like, "oh, first device on the list"
2017-04-16T22:52:58 < qyx> whats that?
2017-04-16T22:53:10 < qyx> "oh, flash chip, lets print its information this way"
2017-04-16T22:53:33 < qyx> ok, i understand that could be chieved with a info() method
2017-04-16T22:53:36 < qyx> which could be overriden
2017-04-16T22:53:57 < zyp> well, this is easy
2017-04-16T22:54:28 < qyx> yes, but I didn't do it this way for some reason
2017-04-16T22:54:42 < zyp> you have a base api, that implements something like void* get_class_api(class_enum_t class);
2017-04-16T22:55:10 < zyp> and a class_enum_t get_class();
2017-04-16T22:55:34 < qyx> and thats the problem which I described on the beginning
2017-04-16T22:55:39 < qyx> the enum
2017-04-16T22:55:42 < zyp> so you call get_class() get SPI_FLASH or whatever back, then you call get_class_api(SPI_FLASH) and get a new struct with SPI_FLASH specific functions
2017-04-16T22:55:57 < zyp> ah, you want to generate it?
2017-04-16T22:56:04 < qyx> of course
2017-04-16T22:56:11 < zyp> why?
2017-04-16T22:56:44 < qyx> uhm
2017-04-16T22:57:49 < qyx> to avoid maintaining the ist, but I don't know if it is worth the effort
2017-04-16T22:57:52 < zyp> I mean, you can write some magic to do a compile time allocation of class ids, but is it really worth the effort vs. just maintaining a common header enumerating all existing classes?
2017-04-16T22:58:54 < qyx> ok, back to work, a simple list will suffice
2017-04-16T22:59:03 < qyx> and a method returning class type
2017-04-16T22:59:41 < zyp> or a list of classes, if a device can support more than one
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2017-04-16T23:01:58 < qyx> that I handle differently, a  module/device have multiple interface instances for that case to avoid multiple inheritance
2017-04-16T23:02:12 < qyx> if I understand correctly what you meant
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2017-04-16T23:42:15 < ReadError> https://www.twitch.tv/revisionparty
2017-04-16T23:42:19 < ReadError> 8k demos starting now
2017-04-16T23:42:30 < Steffanx> Get me a 8k screen.
2017-04-16T23:42:37 < ReadError> ;D
2017-04-16T23:42:46 < Steffanx> But lets start with an 4k one.
2017-04-16T23:42:48 < Steffanx> -n
2017-04-16T23:43:13 < ReadError> well you need 2x 4K
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2017-04-17T00:34:38 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2017-04-17T00:34:49 < Laurenceb_> https://archive.fo/T6DMi/7e2d75370c7408b27d20518ac89270266ee8b254.gif
2017-04-17T00:34:56 < Laurenceb_> pic related is a pr0n star
2017-04-17T00:39:27 < Laurenceb_> After Louise came to internet prominence, her porn ranking rose to 14888.
2017-04-17T00:40:43 < Steffanx>  Im sure no one but you here gives a shit Laurenceb_.
2017-04-17T00:42:54 < ReadError> also
2017-04-17T00:42:57 < ReadError> old as fuck
2017-04-17T00:45:14 < Steffanx> You know what hot atm Steve Stephens. Guy shooting random people because.
2017-04-17T00:47:32 < Steffanx> 'murica.
2017-04-17T00:49:56 < ohsix> lul my smoke detector is hifi
2017-04-17T00:50:02 < ohsix> has burr brown parts in it
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2017-04-17T00:59:16 < Steffanx> better buy some rice paper ohsix
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2017-04-17T01:20:13 < ohsix> why
2017-04-17T01:22:54 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Home-Security-Indepedent-LCD-Digital-Carbon-Monoxide-Detector-CO-gas-Sensor-Alarm-accurate-digital-display-Voice/32668766312.html co meter that shows ppm for 5bux
2017-04-17T01:27:01 < ohsix> http://tangramgames.dk/games/mrrescue/ heh this is packaged on fedra
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2017-04-17T02:12:57 < Steffanx> stvn
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2017-04-17T02:52:33 < Steffanx> sup crt?
2017-04-17T03:05:20 < Steffanx> isnt it 2nd easter day in aussieland?
2017-04-17T03:05:25 < Steffanx> aka a day off?
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2017-04-17T03:07:09 < Steffanx> bad choice.
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2017-04-17T03:07:23 < Steffanx> Better lurk and pump all day.
2017-04-17T03:09:17 < Steffanx> we could get a trademark.
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2017-04-17T03:20:39 < Steffanx> For the Crazy Reproduction Tube?
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2017-04-17T03:35:48 < ohsix> TIL there is a name for this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_and_passive_transformation
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2017-04-17T03:54:17 < Getty> Everytime i rewatch vikings, i can't believe how good that stuff is
2017-04-17T03:54:28 < Getty> those battlescenes are freaking awesome no matter how often you rewatch
2017-04-17T03:56:47 < Laurenceb_> pumping intensifies
2017-04-17T03:57:00 < Laurenceb_> crt I found you a waifu
2017-04-17T03:57:33 < Steffanx> boring series Getty.
2017-04-17T03:57:54 < Laurenceb_> nsfw:  http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/so-that-antifa-hippie-chick-that-got-punched-does-porn.454957226/
2017-04-17T03:58:19 < Laurenceb_> 3d waifu
2017-04-17T03:58:38 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: autism kicked in again?
2017-04-17T03:58:39 < Laurenceb_> only 2d for you
2017-04-17T03:59:23 < Laurenceb_> le chateau autiste
2017-04-17T04:00:09 < Steffanx> oui.
2017-04-17T04:00:49 < Laurenceb_> the eternal virginity awaits
2017-04-17T04:01:41 < Steffanx> ill sponsor you
2017-04-17T04:02:39  * Laurenceb_ pictures a "le chateau autiste" in the format of big brother
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2017-04-17T04:37:08 < Laurenceb_> lulwut https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/306krg/who_is_chrischan_and_what_happened_to_him/cpq08on/
2017-04-17T04:37:28 < Laurenceb_> I spent 4 days, 3 hours a night, reading every single page on that wiki
2017-04-17T04:37:38 < Laurenceb_> even more sad than chris-chan himself
2017-04-17T04:40:43 < dongs> almost as sad as lawrence/bn
2017-04-17T04:41:35 < dongs> pretty much
2017-04-17T04:42:45 < Laurenceb_> I don't have my own ED page... unlike dongs
2017-04-17T04:42:55 < Steffanx> not yet
2017-04-17T04:43:07 < upgrdman> ed == erec dys?
2017-04-17T04:43:13 < Laurenceb_> my ED pages have been deleted
2017-04-17T04:43:15 < Steffanx> dramapedia.
2017-04-17T04:43:19 < Laurenceb_> shit sucks man
2017-04-17T04:43:33 < Laurenceb_> I wrote one on science and on medical experiments
2017-04-17T04:44:41 < Laurenceb_> medical experiments usually involve scientists fapping over the rotting bodies of dead animals
2017-04-17T04:44:44 < Laurenceb_> and that sort of stuff
2017-04-17T04:46:19 < Laurenceb_> science is the process where the patriarchy rapes female nature to extract facts
2017-04-17T04:46:34 < Steffanx> no need for more info Laurenceb_.
2017-04-17T04:47:10 < Laurenceb_> quality was obviously too low even for ED
2017-04-17T04:47:18 < Laurenceb_> my writing skillz suck
2017-04-17T04:47:33 < Steffanx> You're sick. Im even slightly worried.
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2017-04-17T04:51:15 < dongs> http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/
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2017-04-17T05:25:43 < aandrew> oh man
2017-04-17T05:25:56 < aandrew> that sounds a lot like a motherboard I got in exchange for some work years and years ago
2017-04-17T05:26:05 < aandrew> NEC V20 running at 19MHz and 1MB of RAM
2017-04-17T05:26:44 < dongs> advanced japanese technology
2017-04-17T05:26:57 < aandrew> yep
2017-04-17T05:27:12 < dongs> https://youtu.be/rsZHBJdaz-Y eidolon from revision 2017 got posted in 1080p60
2017-04-17T05:27:28 < aandrew> it had two BIOS sockets, I figured out how to use the spare one as a parallel EPROM programmer for low voltage EPROMs
2017-04-17T05:27:53 < aandrew> lol I was just watching that
2017-04-17T05:28:25 < dongs> pretty sure it will be #1 in 64k
2017-04-17T05:28:35 < aandrew> STM32F7 demos would be pretty nice
2017-04-17T05:28:45 < dongs> i wanna see what they did for wild
2017-04-17T05:28:51 < dongs> but twatch streams are retarded to seek in
2017-04-17T05:28:58 < dongs> and i dont see them broken up into segments
2017-04-17T05:29:33 < dongs> i should enter into next years tokyo demo shit with some F4+HDMI thing'
2017-04-17T05:29:44 < aandrew> that'd be wild
2017-04-17T05:29:49 < dongs> since almost nobody attempts
2017-04-17T05:29:52 < dongs> even if I try a little bit
2017-04-17T05:30:00 < dongs> i'm guaranteed to score something :p
2017-04-17T05:30:06 < aandrew> I always admired demo people. I haven't the math nor the creativity to do anythign like that
2017-04-17T05:30:33 < aandrew> I still get fucking shivers every time I watch 2nd reality, not so much because of the gfx but becaues I know what the hardware was that it ran on and *that* was awesome
2017-04-17T05:30:42 < dongs> teehee
2017-04-17T05:30:52 < aandrew> "I am not an atomic playboy
2017-04-17T05:31:02 < aandrew> fuck fuck fuck fuck
2017-04-17T05:31:05 < aandrew> now I gotta watch it again
2017-04-17T05:31:42 < aandrew> I still have a pair of GUS maxes around here somewhere
2017-04-17T05:31:49 < dongs> almost bought a GUS back in teh 90s just to watch demos
2017-04-17T05:31:57 < aandrew> heh
2017-04-17T05:31:59 < dongs> watch->hear
2017-04-17T05:32:01 < aandrew> I loved that thing
2017-04-17T05:32:13 < aandrew> wrote some x86 asm s3m player too
2017-04-17T05:32:17 < aandrew> that was pretty awesome
2017-04-17T05:32:25 < aandrew> I still have that code somewhere
2017-04-17T05:32:41 < aandrew> that was probably my first real program of any kind of usefulness
2017-04-17T05:32:52 < dongs> quick port it to stm32 to stay relevant
2017-04-17T05:32:58 < aandrew> played all the effects pretty accurately too
2017-04-17T05:33:23 < aandrew> heh
2017-04-17T05:33:37 < aandrew> man 1993
2017-04-17T05:33:41 < aandrew> that was a long assed time ago
2017-04-17T05:33:51 < aandrew> if I knew then what I know now..
2017-04-17T05:34:09 < aandrew> I remember emailing future crew over a fido-to-internet gateway ... never got a reply back though
2017-04-17T05:34:13 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL-YPVQbqHo nice 8K
2017-04-17T05:34:14 < aandrew> fuckers
2017-04-17T05:34:30 < ohsix> #1 for slowest chase scene
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2017-04-17T05:35:03 < dongs> so much nice stuff can be done with GPU now, its almsot cheating
2017-04-17T05:35:06 < ohsix> aandrew: do you even spline bro
2017-04-17T05:35:12 < ohsix> you probably know the math
2017-04-17T05:35:15 < aandrew> yeah that's why I'm not super into today's demos
2017-04-17T05:35:30 < aandrew> it doesn't seem nearly as awesome when you just toss everything into shaders and have gigabytes to play with
2017-04-17T05:36:14 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd7yAXr5Bbk haha
2017-04-17T05:36:20 < dongs> i actualyl watched a video about this years ago
2017-04-17T05:37:03 < ohsix> there's a glitch in that demo at 6:18
2017-04-17T05:37:24 < aandrew> hush now
2017-04-17T05:37:24 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFv7mHTf0nA
2017-04-17T05:37:26 < aandrew> paying respects
2017-04-17T05:37:36 < ohsix> probably when they switched the spline following one to a fixed model
2017-04-17T05:37:40 < dongs> heh
2017-04-17T05:37:50 < dongs> didnt they release sores for that
2017-04-17T05:38:04 < aandrew> which 2nd reality?
2017-04-17T05:38:04 < aandrew> yeah
2017-04-17T05:38:11 < dongs> besides, this is way better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVPW40ygds4
2017-04-17T05:38:12 < aandrew> there was a pretty cool analysis of the thing too
2017-04-17T05:38:57 < ohsix> flipcode and gamedev has been dead for a while, you could get some recognition for knowing this stuff
2017-04-17T05:39:31 < ohsix> bong shading
2017-04-17T05:42:09 < ohsix> huhu i may never have learned to program if i started watching demos before i learned how to make them
2017-04-17T05:43:06 < aandrew> ok
2017-04-17T05:43:07 < aandrew> fangirling over
2017-04-17T05:44:12 < dongs> back to stm32
2017-04-17T05:48:53 < aandrew> that TRSI demo on the video music is actually kind of catchy
2017-04-17T06:09:33 < ohsix> the flash on the f103 is relatively hueg
2017-04-17T06:10:03 < ohsix> there's no sprite or graphics or other engines, you'd just be doing stuff that would naively seem slow/impossible
2017-04-17T06:10:35 < ohsix> 2bad procedurally sampling textures on the fly is superslow
2017-04-17T06:11:46 < ohsix> been watching people do cool stuff w/ raycasters lately
2017-04-17T06:17:57 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/136016364 this should have pc demo and stuff some hours in
2017-04-17T06:18:34 < dongs> https://2017.revision-party.net/events/timetable
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2017-04-17T06:48:04 < ReadError> its over
2017-04-17T06:48:15 < ReadError> had some good ones tho
2017-04-17T06:56:27 < dongs> hm wild was kinda underwhelming
2017-04-17T06:56:38 < dongs> l0l animated gifc
2017-04-17T06:56:42 < dongs> do i dare watch taht shit
2017-04-17T07:02:01 < ReadError> dongs: https://youtu.be/l_lPdLYA2Ps?t=1570
2017-04-17T07:02:10 < ReadError> that one was tight
2017-04-17T07:10:08 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/8ZyyBEm-2bA?t=2408 my fav amiga one
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2017-04-17T07:37:34 < ohsix> i mused about doing a compo with stm32 but nobody had any idea about what it would be
2017-04-17T07:37:41 < ohsix> in here, ages ago
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2017-04-17T08:19:36 < branjb> another weekend of accomplishing nothing
2017-04-17T08:19:41 < branjb> back to not being home from 7am - 9pm
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2017-04-17T09:47:27 < dongs> < R2COM> oh fuickined hell
2017-04-17T09:47:32 < dongs> did you unignore o6 by mistake
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2017-04-17T10:37:22 < jadew``> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Salon-Care-40-Volume-Creme-Developer-4-Oz-Lightest-Brightest-Results-473ml-/162441577579
2017-04-17T10:37:27 < jadew``> https://www.amazon.com/40-Creme-Developer-4-oz/dp/B004OKDW20?th=1
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2017-04-17T10:58:30 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b]
2017-04-17T11:00:17 < jadew``> that's good if you want to rickroll your parents
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2017-04-17T12:25:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVAmnV65_zw why does rossman have ads now
2017-04-17T12:25:19 < dongs> i thought he was anti-selloout
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2017-04-17T13:19:52 < invzim> ugh, didn't know about vcap1 before I made test boards
2017-04-17T13:20:08 < invzim> I guess it's SUPER essential?
2017-04-17T13:20:15 < invzim> (stm32f411)
2017-04-17T13:21:01 < sync_> because he doesn't make enough repairing appolz devices dongs?
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2017-04-17T13:39:40 < dongs> invzim: yes
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2017-04-17T13:40:25 < dongs> invzim: before you make more mistakes, read through http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/76/f9/c8/10/8a/33/4b/f0/DM00115714.pdf/files/DM00115714.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00115714.pdf
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2017-04-17T13:41:00 < dongs> invzim: its basically cap for hte internal 1.2V reg for core
2017-04-17T13:41:09 < dongs> without it, all sorts of weird shit(tm) happen
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2017-04-17T13:53:56 < invzim> confirming that weird shit is happening :)
2017-04-17T13:54:11 < invzim> it's half-alive and demented :)
2017-04-17T14:00:03 < Thorn> http://www.dataweek.co.za/8825a
2017-04-17T14:04:15 < invzim> hm, jimmied a 10uf on vcap1 (no 4.7uf handy) - weirdness ensues
2017-04-17T14:04:30 < invzim> befire, it would at least get identified
2017-04-17T14:05:07 < Thorn> put 2 in series
2017-04-17T14:05:13 < dongs> invzim: isnt ther 2 of them
2017-04-17T14:05:32 < Thorn> dongs: not in 401/411
2017-04-17T14:05:36 < Thorn> iirc
2017-04-17T14:06:26 < dongs> o yeah
2017-04-17T14:06:32 < dongs> i even made a board with 401
2017-04-17T14:06:45 < dongs> i just put 10uf on there tho cuz thats what was on the bom from other shit
2017-04-17T14:06:51 < dongs> anyway >= 4.7 is fine
2017-04-17T14:06:53 < dongs> bigger is better
2017-04-17T14:07:08 < dongs> invzim: does thr est of schematic checklist from that pdf check out?
2017-04-17T14:07:31 < invzim> kind of, not gone through all yet
2017-04-17T14:07:37 < invzim> I got the decoupling of reset to gnd
2017-04-17T14:07:55 < invzim> all power pins are decoupled, including vbat
2017-04-17T14:08:41 < dongs> boot0 not floatinG?
2017-04-17T14:08:44 < dongs> nrst pulled up?
2017-04-17T14:08:57 < Thorn> no need to pull it up
2017-04-17T14:09:11 < Thorn> should be no need
2017-04-17T14:09:13 < invzim> boot0 directly to gnd
2017-04-17T14:09:24 < invzim> nrst should have an internal pullup
2017-04-17T14:10:16 < invzim> the vcap pin shows 1.2, so should be good
2017-04-17T14:11:08 < invzim> I'm also setting up my dev environment, so could be other werid stuff going on - but was able to read out and write the flash on the stm32f4discovery board using an external stlinkv2
2017-04-17T14:11:26 < Thorn> are you sure your solder job is good
2017-04-17T14:12:06 < invzim> not 100%, but it looks ok
2017-04-17T14:12:44 < Thorn> that's a common sign of a bad solder job
2017-04-17T14:13:07 < invzim> put it in reflow oven and cleaned up bridges with iron after
2017-04-17T14:13:28 < invzim> gnd is not shorted to vcc
2017-04-17T14:13:56 < invzim> one odd thing tho, is no activity on the crystal - but maybe that portion of the mcu has to be enabled by software first?
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2017-04-17T14:15:27 < Thorn> it runs off HSI after reset. you have to enable HSE in software
2017-04-17T14:15:46 < dongs> almost no need to run 401 from HSE
2017-04-17T14:15:50 < dongs> unless you need usb or something
2017-04-17T14:15:54 < dongs> internal can reach 84mhz jsut fine
2017-04-17T14:17:08 < invzim> Thorn: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKFpyG8xGa3OWdzS05YcEtkSkk/view
2017-04-17T14:17:39 < invzim> wish I had a microscope for fiddly stuff like this :)
2017-04-17T14:18:03 < dongs> is that some eagle routing
2017-04-17T14:18:06 < dongs> soldering looks ok
2017-04-17T14:18:20 < dongs> U11 i guess cant be eagle
2017-04-17T14:18:24 < dongs> in eagle it'd be U$11
2017-04-17T14:18:29 < dongs> because faggot germans
2017-04-17T14:18:50 < invzim> altium
2017-04-17T14:19:06 < dongs> invzim: whats the red line
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2017-04-17T14:19:08 < invzim> just a cheap 2 layer rush job to test things out
2017-04-17T14:19:09 < dongs> cuz thats not vcap pin
2017-04-17T14:19:23 < invzim> it's not?
2017-04-17T14:19:34 < dongs> hm unless 401 and 411 are so differently pinned
2017-04-17T14:19:44 < invzim> pin 30
2017-04-17T14:19:53 < dongs> thats not pin 30.
2017-04-17T14:20:07  * invzim checks his head
2017-04-17T14:20:09 < dongs> oh fuck im a cuck
2017-04-17T14:20:13 < dongs> im loking at my board backwards
2017-04-17T14:20:40 < invzim> yeah, which genious decided to put TWO indented circles on the package.. :)
2017-04-17T14:20:42 < dongs> ok thats vcap
2017-04-17T14:20:56 < dongs> no, on my last 4x1 board i had the chip on the 'bottom' layer
2017-04-17T14:21:03 < dongs> but was looking at it on layout from top
2017-04-17T14:21:24 < dongs> how about VCCA?
2017-04-17T14:21:26 < dongs> is that hooked up?
2017-04-17T14:21:29 < dongs> pin 13
2017-04-17T14:21:34 < dongs> looks empty from here
2017-04-17T14:21:53 < dongs> unless under chip
2017-04-17T14:22:06 < invzim> should be hooked up
2017-04-17T14:22:17 < invzim> got the 0603 decoupling on the bottom side
2017-04-17T14:22:31  * invzim double checks anyway
2017-04-17T14:22:52 < invzim> yup, connected and decoupled
2017-04-17T14:24:29 < dongs> should be ok tehn
2017-04-17T14:35:03 < invzim> 2456 - Info: CoreID: 2BA01477
2017-04-17T14:35:03 < invzim> 2479 - Info: CM3/4 Searching at E0042000
2017-04-17T14:35:03 < invzim> 2479 - Info: ChipID: 0x431
2017-04-17T14:35:03 < invzim> 2479 - Info: Device type:  "STM32F411xC/E"
2017-04-17T14:35:03 < invzim> 2491 - Info: Flash size: 49152 KB
2017-04-17T14:35:07 < invzim> yeah, something is not right
2017-04-17T14:36:11 < Thorn> could be bad opensource tools. you have a discovery board, so try the st-link util and that discovery in external target mode
2017-04-17T14:36:36 < invzim> yeah, I'm starting to suspect that - even if same tools worked fine with the discovery board
2017-04-17T14:37:02 < Thorn> what exact discovery board? f4 (407) or 411?
2017-04-17T14:37:16 < Thorn> 407 has been out for a long time, 401/411 are rather recent
2017-04-17T14:38:44 < invzim> got an f407, and an f3 something
2017-04-17T14:38:55 < invzim> Had them for ages, but haven't really started with this stm32 business until recently
2017-04-17T14:39:05 < invzim> dev tool soup and 100+ part# put me off
2017-04-17T14:55:14 < invzim> Found 1 stlink programmers
2017-04-17T14:55:14 < invzim>  serial: 563f7506493f48532831113f
2017-04-17T14:55:14 < invzim> openocd: "\x56\x3f\x75\x06\x49\x3f\x48\x53\x28\x31\x11\x3f"
2017-04-17T14:55:14 < invzim>   flash: 524288 (pagesize: 16384)
2017-04-17T14:55:14 < invzim>    sram: 131072
2017-04-17T14:55:16 < invzim>  chipid: 0x0431
2017-04-17T14:55:19 < invzim>   descr: F4 device (low power) - stm32f411re
2017-04-17T14:55:21 < invzim> a little progress
2017-04-17T14:55:42 < invzim> flashed both discoveryboards and ebay clone stlink with latest firmware from st
2017-04-17T14:56:00 < invzim> thanks for input all!
2017-04-17T14:56:27 < invzim> https://leanpub.com/mastering-stm32 <-btw, HIGHLY recommended for noobs like me
2017-04-17T14:59:46 < Steffanx> meh
2017-04-17T15:01:51 < dongs> The book will guide you in a clear and practical way to this hardware platform and the official ST CubeHAL
2017-04-17T15:01:55 < dongs> no.
2017-04-17T15:02:24 < dongs> start showing how to setup a complete and totally free software tool-chain to build your STM32 based applications.
2017-04-17T15:02:27 < dongs> wtf double no
2017-04-17T15:02:50 < dongs> when you want shit to just WORK, you don't go spending weeks setting up a freetard toolchain
2017-04-17T15:03:57 < Steffanx> Can't you buy us all keil?
2017-04-17T15:04:25 < Thorn> and jlink ULTRA PRO
2017-04-17T15:04:39 < dongs> jlink ultra pro is definitely >>>>>>> stdink
2017-04-17T15:05:06 < dongs> but rly, 'you get waht you pay for' is so true in embedded stuff
2017-04-17T15:05:22 < Steffanx> Stop assuming we all have a spare 5k to buy keil.
2017-04-17T15:05:38 < dongs> there are cheaper things that work
2017-04-17T15:05:46 < Steffanx> iar?
2017-04-17T15:05:54 < dongs> crossworks, visualgdb
2017-04-17T15:06:10 < invzim> anyho, I had massive trouble finding something that worked, and this book has so far been very verynice
2017-04-17T15:06:14 < dongs> crossworks is like $99 for personal use. and you can even use inline asm
2017-04-17T15:06:18 < invzim> well worth my time :)
2017-04-17T15:06:21 < Steffanx> Visualgdb website makes me cry.
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2017-04-17T15:37:42 < Steffanx> lol tpw_rules, are you really?
2017-04-17T15:37:53 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: ?
2017-04-17T15:37:58 < Steffanx> @imcool.fyi
2017-04-17T15:38:05 < tpw_rules> oh yeah
2017-04-17T15:38:17 < tpw_rules> well idk how true it is, but i own that domain
2017-04-17T15:38:34 < Steffanx> At least you rule too :P
2017-04-17T15:38:42 < tpw_rules> :P
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2017-04-17T15:38:54 < Thorn> is there an .fyi tld?
2017-04-17T15:38:59 < tpw_rules> that was a bad decision when i was like 8 and it's one of those things you can't exactly change
2017-04-17T15:39:05 < tpw_rules> Thorn: there's all kinds of crazy stuff
2017-04-17T15:39:14 < tpw_rules> i also bought <my name>.engineer
2017-04-17T15:39:36 < Thorn> did it make you an engineer
2017-04-17T15:39:50 < Steffanx> Just change it to something else and add it to your nick-group tpw_rules :)
2017-04-17T15:39:59 < Steffanx> irc ee.
2017-04-17T15:40:07 < tpw_rules> yeah but it's my twitter handle and my skype name and everything now
2017-04-17T15:40:19 < tpw_rules> Thorn: well i'm in college for such so i'll have to check in a few years
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2017-04-17T16:13:37 < invzim> allright, I got blink :)
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2017-04-17T16:23:35 < invzim> but it doesn't boot properly, I have to start the mcu via programmer..
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2017-04-17T16:26:25 < invzim> some PDR_ON pin stuff about reset, but 64pin doesn't have tha
2017-04-17T16:33:26 < invzim> working :)  Debug build defaults to halt I guess
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2017-04-17T17:45:11 < aandrew> balls
2017-04-17T17:45:30 < aandrew> now to figure out why the interrupt handler isn't working quite right when starting up from my bootloader
2017-04-17T17:50:06 < Steffanx> You dont change the vector table?
2017-04-17T17:55:29 < aandrew> I definitely do
2017-04-17T17:55:33 < aandrew> watching it in Ozone
2017-04-17T17:55:44 < aandrew> it's like it's not getting flashed correctly
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2017-04-17T17:56:38 < aandrew> so my bootloader does its init shit (clock, etc.) doesn't use any timing
2017-04-17T17:56:54 < aandrew> jumps to the application, application calls HAL_Delay() but the tick never occurs
2017-04-17T17:56:58 < aandrew> the interrupt never fires
2017-04-17T17:57:12 < aandrew> if I load the app using ozone, it just works
2017-04-17T17:57:47 < aandrew> SCB_VTOR is definitely set correctly (value is 0x8020000, which is the vector table of my main app)
2017-04-17T17:58:39 < aandrew> is there anything else I need to do in a bootloader before jumping to the reset vector for the application?
2017-04-17T17:59:27 < aandrew> I set the stack pointer as well
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2017-04-17T18:08:15 < englishman> Steffanx: keil is free
2017-04-17T18:09:19 < munki> kek
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2017-04-17T18:11:44 < Steffanx> 32k limit englishman..
2017-04-17T18:12:19 < englishman> that is a) enough for anyone who cant afford $5k for keil b) not entirely true c) not part of your original demands
2017-04-17T18:12:34 < munki> just pony up for visualgdb
2017-04-17T18:12:53 < munki> verified good shit
2017-04-17T18:13:13 < Steffanx> a) Blabla. b) Not? c) True.
2017-04-17T18:14:13 < Steffanx> And i already knew the "but it is free" argument was comming :P
2017-04-17T18:15:25 < englishman> free for any f0
2017-04-17T18:15:37 < englishman> which is already pretty pro
2017-04-17T18:16:18 < Steffanx> $5K is outside my hobby budget..
2017-04-17T18:17:36 < aandrew> hm
2017-04-17T18:18:03 < aandrew> interrupt table is fine, I can see the timer is enabled, interrupt enabled and interrupt flag says it was hit, but the vector isn't called
2017-04-17T18:19:02 < englishman> good thing your hobby is stm8
2017-04-17T18:19:25 < Steffanx> No that was work.
2017-04-17T18:20:06 < Steffanx> Troll much.
2017-04-17T18:20:22 < aandrew> got it
2017-04-17T18:20:31 < Steffanx> How stupid was it aandrew?
2017-04-17T18:20:38 < aandrew> in the bootloader I __disable_irq() before jumping to the application reset vector
2017-04-17T18:20:50 < aandrew> apparently nothing in the standard HAL init enables IRQs
2017-04-17T18:21:08 < aandrew> and also, apparently out of reset IRQs are enabled
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2017-04-17T19:15:30 < aandrew> there we go
2017-04-17T19:15:47 < aandrew> the proper way to do it is to HAL_DeInit() before jumping to the new app
2017-04-17T19:16:08 < aandrew> that shuts down the systick/timer interrupts that HAL uses and the new app starts up correctly
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2017-04-17T20:05:39 < Shavik> Question related to Cube and STM32F042G6U a UFQFN28 chip. Under the peripheral list and ADC at the bottom are the options for temp, vrefint anf Vbat. When you select the vbat option no pin is select and I've read it's an internal channel. I guess I don't really understand  how this works and can't seem to find a relevant document for the chip I'm using that explains how this works.
2017-04-17T20:06:44 < Shavik> I am making my first small li-po powered device and was wanting to  sense battery voltage and thought it might be nice to have an internal division for this as opposed to an external voltage divider but I may be wayyyy off on my understanding of the purpose of the vbat adc channel
2017-04-17T20:13:50 < zyp> vbat is a separate power input pin, that powers the backup domain (RTC and possibly some other stuff) when vdd is not present
2017-04-17T20:14:09 < Shavik> https://gyazo.com/0134fc3f53d0007d4e79b26406110566 is a screenshot
2017-04-17T20:14:24 < Shavik> 28 pin QFN has no vbat pin I don't think nor even the 32 LQFP for that matter
2017-04-17T20:14:29 < Shavik> but they still have the vbat channel
2017-04-17T20:14:37 < zyp> well, of course
2017-04-17T20:14:53 < zyp> the die is the same between the different pin count packages
2017-04-17T20:15:01 < zyp> it's just internally unconnected
2017-04-17T20:15:06 < Shavik> I was aware of the vbat power pin options for the lower power domains and 32 khz clock for RTC etc.
2017-04-17T20:15:25 < Shavik> Oh I didn't know if there was a still a way  to use the /2 divider on the ADC since there was still an option for it
2017-04-17T20:16:04 < zyp> nah, if vbat is internally unconnected, I assume it'll either always read 0 or maybe garbage
2017-04-17T20:16:18 < Shavik> this is the first I've heard of it being unconnected
2017-04-17T20:16:37 < zyp> well, if you have no vbat pin, where else would it be connected?
2017-04-17T20:17:09 < Shavik> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/CuTKJJtNTrUFD1ZyXLfDOpRYfFqUT3EalblVhKORHx1GJX7HtU3bCo4NJ3B67RyU-RW0a-hzpKf5SXs3uvtskFto1wwcKIILrYgyMnE9bcFhnE_m7NsyBjvUeomf87htmQ
2017-04-17T20:17:14 < Shavik> Guess that shows disconnected
2017-04-17T20:17:51 < Shavik> http://hung2492.blogspot.com/2015/02/lesson-5-adcdac-stm32f0.html
2017-04-17T20:18:00 < Shavik> Looks like you can internally connect them perhaps?
2017-04-17T20:18:43 < zyp> no.
2017-04-17T20:19:28 < zyp> I mean, the conclusion is clear: no, you can't use vbat to measure the voltage of your lipo
2017-04-17T20:19:55 < zyp> I'm pretty sure vbat isn't rated up to 4.2V, so it would be impossible even if you had that pin
2017-04-17T20:20:47 < Shavik> "VBAT pin input voltage divided by 2"
2017-04-17T20:20:51 < Shavik> From RM0091
2017-04-17T20:21:02 < Shavik> Believe this is a different chip though :P
2017-04-17T20:21:17 < zyp> I'm not talking about what the ADC is rated for, I'm talking about what vbat itself is rated for
2017-04-17T20:23:30 < zyp> again, the purpose of vbat is to power the RTC when the rest of the board is unpowered, and in practice the vbat supply is usually coming from a separate small coin cell battery or something like that
2017-04-17T20:23:44 < Shavik> I'm not talking about the vbat power pin at all
2017-04-17T20:23:47 < zyp> and the purpose of the vbat channel on the adc is to have a built in way to check the health of that battery
2017-04-17T20:23:56 < zyp> well, you are
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2017-04-18T00:07:39 < ohsix> buns
2017-04-18T00:10:23 < boB_K7IQ> and cheese !
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2017-04-18T00:18:00 < ohsix> cheese buns
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2017-04-18T01:14:19 < englishman> i thought these cali tech companies were quick on the draw with emails and correspondence and shit
2017-04-18T01:14:26 < englishman> literally inventing new ways to reply to email faster and better
2017-04-18T01:14:40 < englishman> yet every time i reply to an email within 30s of getting it, they take 2-3 days to reply
2017-04-18T01:24:13 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTTktbkw3elFNZ00/view?usp=sharing
2017-04-18T01:25:21 < kakimir> innovatin
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2017-04-18T01:56:38 < englishman> that is not how a sailboat works
2017-04-18T01:56:44 < englishman> well, realistically yes it is
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2017-04-18T02:23:28 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNHpzVDJOMWgtSGs/view?usp=sharing
2017-04-18T02:27:23 < ReadError> too much unsniffable white shit everywhere
2017-04-18T02:29:04 < kakimir> I send email askin some bigger sail for borrow
2017-04-18T02:29:10 < kakimir> today
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2017-04-18T02:41:21 < jadew> sup?
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2017-04-18T03:10:17 < fenugrec> bmcc ?
2017-04-18T03:11:00 < upgrdman> it means bite my cock, canuck
2017-04-18T03:11:09 < upgrdman> or something like that
2017-04-18T03:12:33 < upgrdman> forgive me
2017-04-18T03:13:43 < fenugrec> ok
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2017-04-18T04:27:37 < Ultrasauce> where did this sandwich come from then
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2017-04-18T04:37:36 < englishman> https://clips.twitch.tv/YawningIntelligentWolfFailFish
2017-04-18T04:37:44 < englishman> do gamers really play with their nose touching the screen
2017-04-18T04:39:12 < Ultrasauce> you dont?
2017-04-18T04:42:51 < aandrew> no wonder I suck at fps
2017-04-18T04:44:31 < englishman> it fell off, along with all his teeth
2017-04-18T04:47:31 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/KP9Lgcw.jpg
2017-04-18T04:48:55 < englishman> saw these guys too http://i.imgur.com/X1bStDf.jpg
2017-04-18T04:49:11 < dongs> is that a turkey
2017-04-18T04:49:21 < englishman> yea
2017-04-18T04:49:32 < dongs> just shift-deleted Logan (2017)
2017-04-18T04:49:36 < dongs> worst movie ever
2017-04-18T04:49:44 < englishman> what is it
2017-04-18T04:49:48 < dongs> trash.
2017-04-18T04:49:59 < englishman> another fucking xmen movie
2017-04-18T04:50:12 < dongs> no idea what xmen was but the movie was trash
2017-04-18T04:50:17 < dongs> disgusting characters
2017-04-18T04:51:16 < englishman> its nonjap anime
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2017-04-18T05:15:30 < dongs> Over a year, over 800 posts, various work arounds and "new features" that do not address the fundemental problem here. We Do Not Want AMP! Why is that so hard for you to understand google? Give us an opt-out or remove it completely. You are straight up hijacking our web results with this garbage.
2017-04-18T05:15:36 < dongs>  I switched to startpage about 6 months ago because of this. Figured I'd check again and the problem is worse than ever, every result on the 1st page was AMP. Google needs to stop forcing people to accept what google thinks is best for them.
2017-04-18T05:15:40 < dongs> Lol
2017-04-18T05:15:44 < dongs> much rage
2017-04-18T05:23:41 < dongs> rage
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2017-04-18T05:28:46 < dongs> duckduckgo?
2017-04-18T05:28:48 < dongs> thinking about it
2017-04-18T05:28:55 < dongs> but faucking chrome makes it so hard to stop using google as search
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2017-04-18T05:35:24 < englishman> opera mobile ftw
2017-04-18T05:35:36 < dongs> opera is still in business???
2017-04-18T05:42:23 < emeb_mac> dongs: ever tried generating composite video on stm32?
2017-04-18T05:42:41 < dongs> not fully generating, no
2017-04-18T05:42:53 < emeb_mac> giving it a shot.
2017-04-18T05:43:01 < dongs> i did 'sync-detect-and-pull-signal-high-low-to-make-overlay" thingy
2017-04-18T05:43:12 < dongs> emeb, color?
2017-04-18T05:43:21 < dongs> also how dead is composite :p
2017-04-18T05:43:22 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah -
2017-04-18T05:43:45 < emeb_mac> ntsc composite is pretty dead for most things, but there are some "artistic" applications
2017-04-18T05:43:59 < dongs> emeb will be creating the next atari video music
2017-04-18T05:44:06 < emeb_mac> lols
2017-04-18T05:44:17 < emeb_mac> one of my clients asked for this
2017-04-18T05:45:03 < emeb_mac> dongs: turns out that I can get 48x colorburst from a 12MHz xtal and proper PLL settings.
2017-04-18T05:45:33 < emeb_mac> so I can make it generate 12 different phases of color carrier from a SPI port
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2017-04-18T05:48:06 < dongs> cool
2017-04-18T05:48:11 < dongs> is it gonna be openasuce
2017-04-18T05:48:17 < dongs> < emeb_mac> one of my clients asked for this
2017-04-18T05:48:25 < dongs> also, so not denying atari video music eh
2017-04-18T05:48:44 < emeb_mac> dongs: since it's for a client, no opensource
2017-04-18T05:48:51 < dongs> R2COM: no im about to drive out
2017-04-18T05:48:59 < dongs> nothing intersting. just autism nonstop
2017-04-18T05:49:34 < dongs> emeb_mac: wahts the 'frequency' that you get with 12mhzx 48?
2017-04-18T05:49:55 < dongs> you mean 3.579whatevermhz?
2017-04-18T05:50:06 < emeb_mac> dongs: right - that's colorburst
2017-04-18T05:50:57 < dongs> you could just run stm32 off one of those NTSC specific crystals
2017-04-18T05:51:00 < emeb_mac> 12MHz / 11 (M) X 315 (N) / 2 (P) -> 171.something MHz = 3.579545 MHz
2017-04-18T05:51:05 < dongs> orly
2017-04-18T05:51:18 < dongs> o yeah
2017-04-18T05:51:20 < dongs> 315,nice
2017-04-18T05:51:22 < dongs> thats one of ntsc dividers
2017-04-18T05:51:30 < emeb_mac> dongs: err... 48 x 3.579...
2017-04-18T05:51:37 < dongs> yeaw i get it
2017-04-18T05:51:42 < dongs> i take thats not on a F1 then
2017-04-18T05:51:53 < emeb_mac> dongs: right - an F446
2017-04-18T05:51:56 < emeb_mac> good to 180
2017-04-18T05:52:01 < dongs> neat
2017-04-18T05:52:11 < emeb_mac> and using 12MHz allows USB DFU to still work.
2017-04-18T05:52:19 < dongs> thats pretty pro.
2017-04-18T05:52:31 < dongs> lookin forward to some working results.
2017-04-18T05:52:45 < emeb_mac> got the HSYNC and VSYNC working off a timer
2017-04-18T05:52:57 < emeb_mac> got the SPI + DMA working to generate luma/chroma
2017-04-18T05:53:14 < dongs> saving all this to notes.txt
2017-04-18T05:53:54 < emeb_mac> dongs: I wrote a Matlab / Octave script to search out PLL settings
2017-04-18T05:54:04 < emeb_mac> to find good matches to colorburst
2017-04-18T05:54:07 < englishman> theres a commercial product doing cbs black+white generation on pic18
2017-04-18T05:54:10 < englishman> sorry emeb
2017-04-18T05:54:15 < englishman> *cvbs
2017-04-18T05:54:34 < emeb_mac> englishman: I know there's lots of stuff out there doing this
2017-04-18T05:54:38 < emeb_mac> but this is mine.
2017-04-18T05:54:46 < englishman> yes is good
2017-04-18T05:54:55  * emeb_mac loves reinventing the wheel
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2017-04-18T05:55:21 < englishman> in that commercial product when you feed it video it does colour overlay, too
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2017-04-18T05:55:46 < englishman> so is this the beginning of stm32 demoscene
2017-04-18T05:55:51 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-04-18T05:55:57 < dongs> no, thats been done long time ago
2017-04-18T05:56:16 < englishman> show plz
2017-04-18T05:57:30 < dongs> emeb_mac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymGCeG9_6c0 etc
2017-04-18T05:57:32 < dongs> err englishman ^
2017-04-18T05:57:42 < dongs> like 2013
2017-04-18T05:58:32 < emeb_mac> amaze
2017-04-18T05:58:36 < dongs> http://wakaba.c3.cx/releases/scene/jupiter-src.zip sores
2017-04-18T05:58:48 < dongs> if you feel like ripping
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2017-04-18T06:00:03 < englishman> hm looks familiar
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2017-04-18T06:00:10 < englishman> yes, amaze
2017-04-18T06:00:55 < dongs> this was jsut first thing i remmbmermeverd, there was more, dont recall then ame
2017-04-18T06:01:02 < dongs> but it was something -discovey related also
2017-04-18T06:01:24 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsToQmFndpg oh, same guys too
2017-04-18T06:08:33 < englishman> nm
2017-04-18T06:09:38 < englishman> 1mm?
2017-04-18T06:10:38 < englishman> 55gr
2017-04-18T06:13:52 < upgrdman> typical morning in russia   http://i.imgur.com/Q59Yv0C.gifv
2017-04-18T06:14:26 < englishman> look like holes in paper to me
2017-04-18T06:14:52 < englishman> energy still drops a lot at range, it just drops slower with heaver bullet
2017-04-18T06:15:59 < englishman> i dont see the problem
2017-04-18T06:16:32 < englishman> if youre concerned about your target aesthetic, dont shoot 223 at 500m, use something more appropriate
2017-04-18T06:17:00 < englishman> thatl get you about 4" closer right?
2017-04-18T06:17:39 < englishman> did you calculate this with your ammo?\
2017-04-18T06:18:52 < englishman> possibly
2017-04-18T06:19:07 < englishman> or, there is more barrel to distort
2017-04-18T06:19:35 < englishman> sounds lik eyou have it all figured out
2017-04-18T06:21:50 < englishman> like HK
2017-04-18T06:22:05 < englishman> did i tell you i bought a shitty american ar15
2017-04-18T06:22:08 < englishman> so i can be cool like u
2017-04-18T06:22:29 < englishman> m&p15
2017-04-18T06:22:44 < englishman> 1:egg
2017-04-18T06:23:15 < englishman> yea
2017-04-18T06:23:19 < englishman> $650 cdn
2017-04-18T06:23:27 < englishman> thanks for your review
2017-04-18T06:23:31 < englishman> i appreciate it
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2017-04-18T06:27:12 < englishman> i think i'll put as much trust in R2COM professional gun review agency
2017-04-18T06:27:21 < englishman> as louis rossmans advice on how apple should run their business
2017-04-18T06:28:38 < englishman> plz go on
2017-04-18T06:28:40 < englishman> yes
2017-04-18T06:28:44 < englishman> colt
2017-04-18T06:29:03 < englishman> they cant sell to .mil
2017-04-18T06:29:14 < englishman> so they went bankrupt again
2017-04-18T06:29:27 < englishman> i had a cold
2017-04-18T06:29:31 < englishman> sold it ~2009
2017-04-18T06:29:45 < englishman> is ther any other
2017-04-18T06:29:55 < englishman> or are you asking?
2017-04-18T06:30:00 < englishman> i thought you were expert
2017-04-18T06:31:39 < englishman> of course
2017-04-18T06:31:54 < englishman> why would you pay more than $500 for an ar15
2017-04-18T06:32:06 < englishman> i mean, feel free
2017-04-18T06:32:35 < englishman> those paper holes arent going to punch themselves
2017-04-18T06:36:28 < englishman> no idea, it was a holiday today mail didnt come
2017-04-18T06:36:32 < englishman> you mean gas staking
2017-04-18T06:42:42 < ReadError> more like gayming amirite
2017-04-18T06:43:43 < englishman> did you buy that amd
2017-04-18T06:44:28 < ReadError> not funny englishman
2017-04-18T06:44:36 < ReadError> nobody would buy AMD shit in 2017
2017-04-18T06:44:42 < ReadError> you would have to be retarded
2017-04-18T06:44:58 < englishman> are you saying R2COM chatted about buying amd for 15 days and didnt buy anything
2017-04-18T06:45:05 < englishman> wasted chats
2017-04-18T06:45:28 < ReadError> he talked for 2 weeks about what HDMI cable to buy
2017-04-18T06:45:39 < ReadError> who knows if he even got that
2017-04-18T06:50:02 < ohsix> sup
2017-04-18T06:50:35 < ohsix> buying a computer in 2017
2017-04-18T06:50:38 < ohsix> lul
2017-04-18T06:50:43 < ohsix> nevermind amd
2017-04-18T06:51:22 < ohsix> buy someone elses computer from 2015 and max it out on ram
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2017-04-18T07:15:00 < upgrdman> R2COM, you want chinese condoms?
2017-04-18T07:15:04 < upgrdman> that small huh?
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2017-04-18T07:26:11 < ohsix> i saw russian condoms on ali last night for 50c/ea
2017-04-18T07:31:34 < ohsix> i'm down
2017-04-18T07:31:37 < ohsix> lets do this
2017-04-18T08:03:26 < ohsix> heheh i like how the live streaming biz is basically letting someone say something the broadcaster can actually read
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2017-04-18T10:26:26 < Steffanx> I heard they will change some rules, they will only allow useful people into aussieland.
2017-04-18T10:26:45 < Steffanx> So no one here can visit you crt
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2017-04-18T10:53:32 < zyp> haha
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2017-04-18T11:44:10 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uBFwqI4TlM
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2017-04-18T12:46:47 < dongs>          sup dongs
2017-04-18T13:13:10 < Steffanx> Sky mr.
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2017-04-18T13:27:19 < ReadError> dongs: see that sick amiga demo
2017-04-18T13:28:07 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZyyBEm-2bA&feature=youtu.be&t=2408
2017-04-18T13:28:19 < ReadError> awesome track on it too
2017-04-18T13:32:10 < ReadError> i kinda want an HQ rip of all the audio for each demo
2017-04-18T13:34:48 < dongs> haha, the motorcycle handlebars -> amiga input thing got #1 in wild
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2017-04-18T13:39:23 < dongs> http://www.pouet.net/party_results.php?which=1550&when=2017
2017-04-18T13:39:39 < dongs> lol hello kevin #2
2017-04-18T13:41:00 < dongs> lol pussy destroyer ALMOST got #1 wetf
2017-04-18T13:41:01 < dongs> such shit
2017-04-18T13:41:08 < dongs> worst game evar
2017-04-18T13:43:03 < ReadError> damn the 4k demo i liked scored not great
2017-04-18T13:43:16 < ReadError> lol the cat burning shit? wtf
2017-04-18T13:43:22 < dongs> ya
2017-04-18T13:43:26 < dongs> only 1 vote below #1
2017-04-18T13:43:30 < dongs> terrible
2017-04-18T13:43:32 < dongs> fuck germanz
2017-04-18T13:43:39 < jadew> there's still a 4k contest going on?
2017-04-18T13:44:11 < ReadError> I liked that 28 Years After one
2017-04-18T13:45:50 < jadew> I have a bunch of entries from 95
2017-04-18T13:46:56 < ReadError> would be cool if these bastards like, linked them
2017-04-18T13:47:00 < ReadError> in the results
2017-04-18T13:47:04 < dongs> hm?
2017-04-18T13:47:07 < dongs> http://www.pouet.net/party.php?which=1550&when=2017
2017-04-18T13:47:09 < dongs> there's links
2017-04-18T13:47:12 < ReadError> https://2017.revision-party.net/history/2017
2017-04-18T13:47:13 < ReadError> o
2017-04-18T13:47:25 < dongs> a couple are missing for some reason
2017-04-18T13:47:29 < dongs> farbrausch wipeout clone still not posted
2017-04-18T13:47:31 < dongs> weirdly
2017-04-18T13:47:39 < dongs> i thought it was disqualified or something but then i saw it #8 in results
2017-04-18T13:47:52 < jadew> the history goes back only to 2011?
2017-04-18T13:47:58 < dongs> what history?
2017-04-18T13:48:02 < dongs> on puoet?
2017-04-18T13:48:05 < jadew> yeah
2017-04-18T13:48:05 < dongs> they haev shit from 90s there
2017-04-18T13:48:21 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ya7Cqc1CU
2017-04-18T13:48:24 < ReadError> that one was cool
2017-04-18T13:48:27 < dongs> http://www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?order=added&reverse=1
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2017-04-18T13:48:49 < dongs> 1997 oldest
2017-04-18T13:49:06 < ReadError> damn missed winning by 17 votes too
2017-04-18T13:49:31 < jadew> I have 41 entries from 95
2017-04-18T13:49:42 < jadew> for the 4k contest
2017-04-18T13:49:49 < jadew> and 17 for the 64k one
2017-04-18T13:49:54 < dongs> lolwut
2017-04-18T13:50:20 < jadew> I had them on my old 486
2017-04-18T13:50:32 < jadew> they inspired me to learn ASM when I was a kid
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2017-04-18T13:52:32 < jadew> I'll link the one that got the first place
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2017-04-18T13:53:22 < jadew> oh, looks like it's already on the server
2017-04-18T13:53:26 < jadew> I probably linked it before
2017-04-18T13:53:57 < jadew> http://5.12.152.140/stuff/ANIMATE.RAR
2017-04-18T13:54:41 < ReadError> wow all the votes are so close on the amiga ones
2017-04-18T13:54:47 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dXDk4WXV/amiga.png
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2017-04-18T13:59:08 < dongs> binvis.io is neat
2017-04-18T14:00:07 < jadew> interesting
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2017-04-18T14:01:09 < jadew> why are they packed like that tho?
2017-04-18T14:01:20 < jadew> shouldn't they be in a line
2017-04-18T14:01:20 < dongs> curves?
2017-04-18T14:01:23 < dongs> fuck knows
2017-04-18T14:01:26 < dongs> read hetr blgo
2017-04-18T14:01:43 < jadew> interesting concept tho
2017-04-18T14:01:53 < jadew> ah, maybe it is
2017-04-18T14:02:13 < jadew> and they pack them like that to make more sense visually
2017-04-18T14:03:57 < dongs> https://corte.si/posts/visualisation/entropy/index.html
2017-04-18T14:12:59 < jadew> I take it these days they use external libraries for the 4/8/whatever k contests?
2017-04-18T14:13:10 < dongs> 'external libraries'?
2017-04-18T14:13:11 < jadew> cuz that one that ReadError linked can't be possibly self contained
2017-04-18T14:13:14 < dongs> you mean like, GPU + shaders?
2017-04-18T14:13:15 < dongs> it is
2017-04-18T14:13:18 < dongs> no, it sselfcontained
2017-04-18T14:13:18 < jadew> yeah
2017-04-18T14:13:25 < dongs> its just directx + shaders + code
2017-04-18T14:13:27 < jadew> do they use direct x ?
2017-04-18T14:13:32 < ReadError> yea you can dl it and see jadew
2017-04-18T14:13:36 < zyp> directx is an external lib
2017-04-18T14:13:43 < dongs> zyp, not when it comes with the computer
2017-04-18T14:13:54 < dongs> directx is a standard API
2017-04-18T14:14:05 < ReadError> opengl ?
2017-04-18T14:14:09 < dongs> snort
2017-04-18T14:14:09 < zyp> same
2017-04-18T14:14:31 < jadew> nothing against it, just that it's different from how it used to be
2017-04-18T14:14:39 < jadew> those guys in the past did the 3d processing themselves
2017-04-18T14:14:41 < jadew> in the code
2017-04-18T14:14:43 < ReadError> bruv either way
2017-04-18T14:14:49 < dongs> judeW
2017-04-18T14:14:50 < ReadError> its pretty fuckin impressive
2017-04-18T14:14:54 < dongs> obviously in DOS
2017-04-18T14:14:57 < ReadError> how much they can fit in a 4 and 8k file
2017-04-18T14:14:57 < dongs> you have to do your own 3d shit
2017-04-18T14:15:04 < dongs> but when you ahve windows and a GTX1080ti
2017-04-18T14:15:09 < dongs> its retarded to do your own 3d
2017-04-18T14:15:24 < zyp> I assume they're still doing their own shaders
2017-04-18T14:15:28 < jadew> yeah, but what I'm trying to get at is that those entries might have actually revolutionized the 3d gaming industry
2017-04-18T14:15:29 < dongs> the compo machine all teh shit runs on is like gtx titan
2017-04-18T14:15:32 < zyp> which would be packed in the whatever k
2017-04-18T14:15:47 < dongs> and they know thats the spec they have to develop for
2017-04-18T14:15:55 < dongs> most of the .exes fucking chug on my desktop
2017-04-18T14:15:58 < dongs> on quadro k1200 ;d
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2017-04-18T14:16:35 < ReadError> is there any cool vids showing how they do this shit
2017-04-18T14:16:52 < dongs> not sure if you wanna watch a bunch of half-naked men picking thier noise
2017-04-18T14:16:53 < ReadError> or the theory behind it
2017-04-18T14:16:54 < dongs> er nose
2017-04-18T14:16:57 < dongs> for days at a time
2017-04-18T14:17:01 < jadew> haha dongs
2017-04-18T14:17:04 < ReadError> autisming
2017-04-18T14:17:07 < dongs> because that is literally how they do it
2017-04-18T14:17:24 < dongs> https://2017.revision-party.net/compos/pc
2017-04-18T14:17:30 < dongs> Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX Titan X Pascal with 3584 cores
2017-04-18T14:17:30 < dongs> lol
2017-04-18T14:17:37 < ReadError> ya i meant like, showing how they pack stuff, technique
2017-04-18T14:17:38 < dongs> they used the new pascal titan
2017-04-18T14:17:40 < dongs> thats liek $1200 cartd
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2017-04-18T14:22:13 < ReadError> that truck guy lol
2017-04-18T14:22:20 < ReadError> he was getting more and more shitfaced
2017-04-18T14:22:23 < ReadError> just rambling
2017-04-18T14:22:37 < ReadError> and they eventually just started cutting him off
2017-04-18T14:22:45 < dongs> his comments after eidolon were lol
2017-04-18T14:25:55 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/1jv0woZONvc?t=1423
2017-04-18T14:25:57 < ReadError> hahah
2017-04-18T14:26:02 < dongs> Direct3D
2017-04-18T14:26:02 < dongs> ---------------------------
2017-04-18T14:26:02 < dongs> DirectX 9.0 is not supported.
2017-04-18T14:26:02 < dongs> Do you need to install latest version?
2017-04-18T14:26:04 < dongs> so tired of these
2017-04-18T14:26:43 < ReadError> THERES A BALL!
2017-04-18T14:27:45 < ReadError> his haha
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2017-04-18T14:28:20 < dongs> that thinkpiece thing is also lol
2017-04-18T14:28:28 < dongs> does it only last for liek 2 seconds
2017-04-18T14:28:46 < ReadError> ya lol, YHBT
2017-04-18T14:29:05 < dongs> ahahha a bunch of hitler images
2017-04-18T14:29:08 < dongs> and thats it
2017-04-18T14:29:32 < ReadError> man some have soundtracks posted wish they did that for all of em
2017-04-18T14:29:37 < jadew> lol
2017-04-18T14:30:05 < jadew> I have to watch this from the start, looks fun
2017-04-18T14:30:51 < dongs> i watched it on twatch.tv with awful quality
2017-04-18T14:31:18 < ReadError> i used VLC
2017-04-18T14:31:20 < ReadError> w/ source
2017-04-18T14:31:23 < ReadError> it was pretty ok
2017-04-18T14:34:08 < jadew> ReadError, from youtube?
2017-04-18T14:34:21 < ReadError> twitch
2017-04-18T14:34:27 < ReadError> livestreamer app
2017-04-18T14:34:35 < jadew> ah
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2017-04-18T14:37:19 < Laurenceb_> CANUCK https://imgoat.com/uploads/51ce410c12/12214.jpg
2017-04-18T14:37:59 < jadew> works great from youtube: http://5.12.152.140/stuff/vlc.png
2017-04-18T14:38:13 < dongs> wat
2017-04-18T14:38:34 < ReadError> jadew: the live stuff is best
2017-04-18T14:38:38 < ReadError> you can grab raw
2017-04-18T14:38:46 < ReadError> before its bastardized and encoded
2017-04-18T14:38:51 < dongs> wat live stuff
2017-04-18T14:39:02 < ReadError> live twitch stream
2017-04-18T14:39:15 < Laurenceb_> can't wait
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2017-04-18T14:39:19 < Laurenceb_>  /s
2017-04-18T14:39:36 < ReadError> shut lauren
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2017-04-18T14:43:54 < jadew> you know what I'd do if I was submitting something to that competition?
2017-04-18T14:44:03 < jadew> I'd include fake clapping in the sound track
2017-04-18T14:44:09 < dongs> https://youtu.be/7XNHCDOed6g?t=1m4s
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2017-04-18T14:48:17 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/hmqXw.jpg
2017-04-18T14:48:49 < zyp> apparently, LSI in F4 is specced to 17-47 kHz
2017-04-18T14:48:58 < dongs> ya?
2017-04-18T14:49:04 < dongs> sounds accurate
2017-04-18T14:49:29 < zyp> people forwarded me an email complaining about RTC drifting 3-4 seconds per minute
2017-04-18T14:50:45 < zyp> I'm like "wtf, why aren't you using LSE? I put the crystal there for a reason" (LL board)
2017-04-18T14:51:20 < dongs> ive got a board on my desk for about a month now running RTC i should connect to it and see if its still running
2017-04-18T14:51:31 < dongs> i mean coin cell is connected, but board is powered off
2017-04-18T14:51:35 < zyp> but 17-47 is kinda extreme, it's probably only usable for IWDG
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2017-04-18T14:51:44 < zyp> hehe
2017-04-18T14:52:13 < zyp> the waveshare board I was messing around with a few months ago drifted a few seconds a day or so
2017-04-18T14:52:16 < zyp> on LSE
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2017-04-18T14:59:53 < jadew> I have a RTC board from them too, never checked it it tho
2017-04-18T15:00:16 < jadew> I don't remember if it has a crystal on it
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2017-04-18T15:02:20 < jadew> temperature matters a lot, mainly depending on the load caps
2017-04-18T15:02:31 < jadew> (if you have external load caps)
2017-04-18T15:03:09 < jadew> if they're shit, it will drift differently, in different rooms
2017-04-18T15:23:53 < dongs> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3068397/hardware/rip-vga-nvidias-geforce-gtx-1080-dumps-analog-support-following-intel-and-amds-lead.html
2017-04-18T15:24:07 < dongs> now if only they'd dump DVI too
2017-04-18T15:24:48 < jadew> zyp, just tested the waveshare RTC board
2017-04-18T15:25:00 < jadew> if I blow on it the frequency changes by hundreds of Hz
2017-04-18T15:26:05 < zyp> what RTC board?
2017-04-18T15:26:27 < jadew> on mine says PCF8563
2017-04-18T15:26:41 < zyp> ah
2017-04-18T15:26:54 < zyp> I meant my F407 board, with the internal RTC
2017-04-18T15:26:59 < jadew> ah
2017-04-18T15:28:24 < jadew> lol, I blew a bit closer to it and it went from 32 kHz to 23
2017-04-18T15:28:39 < dongs> what gbarage are you measuring this with
2017-04-18T15:28:50 < jadew> with a frequency counter
2017-04-18T15:29:05 < dongs> those things never work correctly
2017-04-18T15:29:12 < jadew> through an oscilloscope probe, to keep loading to a minimum
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2017-04-18T15:30:41 < dongs> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pR-r2ZArAGU/maxresdefault.jpg found amp6 proj
2017-04-18T15:31:24 < jadew> ready for mass production
2017-04-18T15:32:25 < dongs> https://rubimages-liberty.netdna-ssl.com/hi-res/AUD-340_rear_right30.png i like these green thingies
2017-04-18T15:32:30 < dongs> its some fine-pitch phoenix shit
2017-04-18T15:33:55 < dongs> http://www.anandtech.com/show/11279/intel-discontinues-the-intel-developer-forum-idf17-cancelled
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2017-04-18T16:07:19 < jadew> the facebook shooter is already old news here, right?
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2017-04-18T16:07:34 < dongs> cheating gf thing?
2017-04-18T16:07:42 < jadew> yeah
2017-04-18T16:07:50 < dongs> saw it this morning, title looked boring
2017-04-18T16:07:54 < dongs> didnt view
2017-04-18T16:07:56 < dongs> anything intersting?
2017-04-18T16:08:18 < jadew> he said he killed 13 people in one of the videos
2017-04-18T16:08:23 < dongs> or if HD
2017-04-18T16:08:28 < jadew> and the live stream showed him killing a random guy on the street
2017-04-18T16:08:41 < jadew> yeah, the murder is in HD...
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2017-04-18T16:10:03 < Steffanx> Wasnt live jadew
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2017-04-18T16:10:28 < jadew> Steffanx, ah, that's what everyone seems to be reporting
2017-04-18T16:10:47 < jadew> crazy tho
2017-04-18T16:11:23 < jadew> in the end, did he actually kill 13 people?
2017-04-18T16:11:26 < jadew> or just the one guy?
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2017-04-18T16:13:27 < englishman> he dumped his cellphone, now not even NSA can find him
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2017-04-18T16:14:12 < jadew> shouldn't be that hard to track someone who starts off in a car
2017-04-18T16:14:26 < jadew> even in here they know where every car is
2017-04-18T16:14:35 < jadew> approximately
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2017-04-18T16:32:23 < Steffanx> Csi aint real jadew :P
2017-04-18T16:32:32 < jadew> heh
2017-04-18T16:34:24 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/18/debian_revokes_dmitry_bogatovs_keys_in_case_hes_compromised_after_arrest/ haha
2017-04-18T16:34:51 < dongs> i wonder if they removed reiser keys
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2017-04-18T17:27:36 < englishman> At 36, Levandowski had spent almost nine years at the search giant, spearheading its autonomous vehicles unit. But in Jan. 2016, he abruptly left and cofounded a new self-driving startup called Otto Trucking, which Uber bought less than seven months later for a reported $680 million.
2017-04-18T17:27:42 < englishman> ha, rip uber.
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2017-04-18T17:33:33 < Steffanx> Otto Trucking.. Whyyu
2017-04-18T17:33:46 < Steffanx> Uber is dead anyway englishman
2017-04-18T17:34:00 < englishman> how so
2017-04-18T17:34:03 < Steffanx> Didnt they loose like 2.4B in a year?
2017-04-18T17:34:16 < englishman> that doesnt mean anything in california
2017-04-18T17:34:25 < Steffanx> Make that 3.6
2017-04-18T17:35:41 < Steffanx> Uber is doomed to fail anyway
2017-04-18T17:46:24 < dongs> jewber is apparently OK in taiwan
2017-04-18T17:46:37 < dongs> my pal booked me some fucking uberlimo thing to pick me up from airport
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2017-04-18T17:47:31 < dongs> and supposedlt its faster/chaeper than taxis tehre as well
2017-04-18T17:47:47 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-18T17:47:51 < englishman> and they dont smell
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2017-04-18T18:09:07 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdmHHpAsMVw
2017-04-18T18:10:41 < jadew> thanks
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2017-04-18T18:17:40 < dongs> wats happenign
2017-04-18T18:17:55 < dongs> emdrive tes?
2017-04-18T18:18:05 < jadew> aliens photobombing
2017-04-18T18:23:26 < dongs> so wtf got launched
2017-04-18T18:23:28 < dongs> i guess i missed it
2017-04-18T18:23:46 < dongs> CRS-7?
2017-04-18T18:26:07 < dongs> https://youtu.be/WbV_zwSFNhA?t=627
2017-04-18T18:26:08 < dongs> what THE FUCK
2017-04-18T18:26:13 < dongs> jews did nasa
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2017-04-18T18:33:46 < dongs> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151125005366/en/Diodes-Incorporated-Completes-Acquisition-Pericom-Semiconductor
2017-04-18T18:33:50 < dongs> lol, didnt know
2017-04-18T18:34:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Jq66O6c.png swastikas? in MY TI appnotes?!
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2017-04-18T18:40:16 < Rob235> well fuck the world
2017-04-18T18:40:41 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/As7Ht.jpg
2017-04-18T18:46:41 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/HqTFMlN
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2017-04-18T18:57:53 < branjb> dongs lol
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2017-04-18T19:19:17 < Steffanx> Lolwut Rob235 ?
2017-04-18T19:20:08 < Rob235> found out gf was sexting with a co-worker....
2017-04-18T19:20:20 < Steffanx> Yikes.
2017-04-18T19:20:34 < dongs> do a live facebook shooting
2017-04-18T19:20:49 < Steffanx> Not funny dongs.
2017-04-18T19:21:42 < branjb> i laughed
2017-04-18T19:21:44 < Steffanx> We need a new o e though. Just read Steve is gone.
2017-04-18T19:21:50 < Steffanx> One*
2017-04-18T19:22:05 < dongs> cert ragequit?
2017-04-18T19:22:06 < dongs> crt
2017-04-18T19:22:13 < branjb> did you hear about /pol/ getting his cell # yesterday?
2017-04-18T19:22:23 < dongs> wat
2017-04-18T19:22:29 < branjb> the facebook killer
2017-04-18T19:22:34 < branjb> pol got his cell #
2017-04-18T19:22:36 < branjb> and was texting him
2017-04-18T19:22:51 < Steffanx> Crt is steven, not steve. Steve is fb killer
2017-04-18T19:22:59 < dongs> oic, ididnt actually know/care
2017-04-18T19:23:19 < Steffanx> branjb: is /pol/ fanatic too?
2017-04-18T19:23:26 < branjb> no
2017-04-18T19:23:36 < Steffanx> Ok, goos.
2017-04-18T19:23:38 < Steffanx> Good
2017-04-18T19:24:49 < Steffanx> Better take care (in a good way) Rob235
2017-04-18T19:25:06 < branjb> another year of getting more back on taxes then i even paid in
2017-04-18T19:25:16 < branjb> no wonder shits broken
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2017-04-18T19:25:47 < Rob235> did the US law that allows ISPs to sell your browsing history take effect yet? I need to know if I should turn on vpn before searching for bisexual bbw mature midget porn
2017-04-18T19:26:12 < Steffanx> You should know. You are the yankee
2017-04-18T19:26:17 < Rob235> yea I made the mistake of drinking yesterday, havent had an alcohol in like 6 months...
2017-04-18T19:27:12 < branjb> yesterday was the first day i didn't drink in like 2-3 months
2017-04-18T19:27:33 < dongs> both events were caused by installation of lunix
2017-04-18T19:27:37 < englishman> reall niggas stay sober
2017-04-18T19:27:46 < dongs> the actual correct answer
2017-04-18T19:27:53 < branjb> by drink i mean i usually have beer/wine w/ dinner
2017-04-18T19:28:00 < branjb> not binge a fif of jack
2017-04-18T19:28:35 < branjb> but i fell asleep and didn't even make dinner yesterday
2017-04-18T19:28:36 < branjb> so
2017-04-18T19:28:55  * Steffanx imagines branjb as redneck with huge steak and beer.
2017-04-18T19:29:07 < Rob235> luckily I woke up at 4am and downed two huge glasses of water, took some ibuprofen and prilosec and feel mostly fine today
2017-04-18T19:29:24 < branjb> i wish i was a redneck
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2017-04-18T19:29:58 < branjb> i live in a shit city where my ass is up to my neighbors window and it takes me 1 hour to get 8 miles to work
2017-04-18T19:30:15 < dongs> why does it take 1 hour
2017-04-18T19:30:21 < Rob235> I dont think I could ever live in a city
2017-04-18T19:30:23 < englishman> because he takes a car 8 miles
2017-04-18T19:30:27 < branjb> because it's a shit hole
2017-04-18T19:30:27 < englishman> take a bicycle
2017-04-18T19:30:30 < dongs> why not take a fucking bike
2017-04-18T19:30:41 < branjb> englishman: if i went by bike i'd have to go like 20 miles
2017-04-18T19:30:49 < branjb> can't take highway on bike
2017-04-18T19:30:52 < branjb> roads suck
2017-04-18T19:31:04 < dongs> also fgt units
2017-04-18T19:31:07 < dongs> miles
2017-04-18T19:31:26 < branjb> lol
2017-04-18T19:31:28 < Rob235> find a job near the suburbs
2017-04-18T19:31:36 < englishman> quit your job and sell drugs
2017-04-18T19:31:47 < Rob235> even better
2017-04-18T19:31:49 < ReadError> Rob235: you kick her ass out the house?
2017-04-18T19:31:54 < branjb> only jobs near where i live are food industry and retail
2017-04-18T19:32:27 < branjb> moving to phoenix next year though
2017-04-18T19:32:30 < Rob235> its her parents house, we moved out of our apartment the end of february to save some money because debt and stuff....
2017-04-18T19:32:36 < branjb> anyone know any good companies there that aren't ASM/NXP/Intel?
2017-04-18T19:32:47 < Steffanx> Apple.
2017-04-18T19:32:50 < branjb> or apple
2017-04-18T19:32:56 < englishman> cypress
2017-04-18T19:32:58 < englishman> they hire anybody
2017-04-18T19:33:01 < branjb> oh shit
2017-04-18T19:33:05 < branjb> cypress is in phoenix?
2017-04-18T19:33:07 < branjb> i love psocs
2017-04-18T19:33:15 < englishman> i dono if you want to work there tho
2017-04-18T19:33:19 < englishman> with the kind of company they keep
2017-04-18T19:33:25 < englishman> and, no you dont
2017-04-18T19:33:27 < englishman> nobody loves psoc
2017-04-18T19:33:29 < englishman> fuck psoc
2017-04-18T19:33:35 < branjb> why not?  don't they just get paid to go astroturf forums all day about how awesome their chips are?
2017-04-18T19:33:42 < Steffanx> Language englishman
2017-04-18T19:33:45 < englishman> yeah you can take over the reddit division
2017-04-18T19:33:49 < branjb> lol
2017-04-18T19:34:07 < ReadError> englishman: say it again, but this time in german!
2017-04-18T19:34:15 < englishman> achtung psoc
2017-04-18T19:34:32 < ReadError> ya ^
2017-04-18T19:34:42 < englishman> was that german? i sneezed
2017-04-18T19:34:46 < Steffanx> Arschloch.
2017-04-18T19:35:28 < ReadError> Steffanx:
2017-04-18T19:35:33 < sync_> Bratwurst.
2017-04-18T19:35:34 < ReadError> can i paste the java bird
2017-04-18T19:35:40 < ReadError> theres no color
2017-04-18T19:35:42 < dongs> no
2017-04-18T19:35:42 < Steffanx> Fins yourself a startup and get riich branjb
2017-04-18T19:35:46 < Steffanx> Uhm no?
2017-04-18T19:36:12 < Steffanx> My client would do it properly anyway.
2017-04-18T19:36:13 < branjb> phoenix is so big there are prob a ton of smaller companies
2017-04-18T19:36:18 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OFzdJWDr/javabird.png
2017-04-18T19:36:21 < ReadError> there
2017-04-18T19:36:26 < branjb> indeed.com for phoenix is just plastered with 3894789347837 recruiting agencies, amazon, and intel jobs
2017-04-18T19:36:52 < dongs> team up with R2COMmie
2017-04-18T19:37:22 < Steffanx> Be sure you arent gay. Commie cant deal with that
2017-04-18T19:37:30 < Rob235> is that bastard still around?
2017-04-18T19:37:34 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-04-18T19:37:40 < englishman> 20 minutes to make some small changes in altidongs and 30 minutes to type out the email in passable french, a good use of my time
2017-04-18T19:37:42 < branjb> is he in phoenix?
2017-04-18T19:37:47 < Steffanx> Only talks about guns and ammo
2017-04-18T19:37:56 < branjb> i like guns and ammo
2017-04-18T19:37:58 < englishman> and amd
2017-04-18T19:38:05 < branjb> fuck amd
2017-04-18T19:38:08 < ReadError> hes also a closet homosexual
2017-04-18T19:38:13 < ReadError> who may try to rape you
2017-04-18T19:38:15 < englishman> not very closet
2017-04-18T19:38:27 < ReadError> well in his mind
2017-04-18T19:38:32 < branjb> man
2017-04-18T19:38:34 < branjb> every website i go to
2017-04-18T19:38:37 < branjb> search jobs >
2017-04-18T19:38:39 < Rob235> he's always wanted dongs dong
2017-04-18T19:38:42 < ReadError> dice.com ?
2017-04-18T19:38:42 < branjb> 90% in philipines
2017-04-18T19:38:45 < branjb> other 10% in austin tx
2017-04-18T19:38:57 < englishman> are you into semicondongturds
2017-04-18T19:39:08 < branjb> no i actually hate analog/vlsi shit
2017-04-18T19:39:15 < branjb> i just want to do board design and write firmware
2017-04-18T19:39:16 < Steffanx> Such hate.
2017-04-18T19:39:19 < branjb> is that too much to ask?
2017-04-18T19:39:23 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-04-18T19:39:31 < englishman> sounds like india/china are for you
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2017-04-18T19:39:49 < branjb> rip
2017-04-18T19:39:51 < englishman> the real money is in arduino/rpi breakout boards
2017-04-18T19:39:53 < Steffanx> Maybe upgrdman has a job for you
2017-04-18T19:39:55 < branjb> lol
2017-04-18T19:40:02 < dongs> laff
2017-04-18T19:40:14 < Steffanx> Not sure were he is located thougg
2017-04-18T19:40:24 < branjb> "hey bob go find a sub $1 chip we can toss on an arduino shield and sell for 2000% markup"
2017-04-18T19:40:36 < Steffanx> Stm8 it is then
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2017-04-18T19:42:05 < branjb> how do you get into fpga/HDL world?  teach yourself and lie about having 10 years industry experience?
2017-04-18T19:42:14 < englishman> pretty much
2017-04-18T19:42:22 < englishman> or get a shit job at same company and move up
2017-04-18T19:42:50 < branjb> how is the state of jobs in the US so retarded
2017-04-18T19:42:54 < branjb> i have a feeling it has to do with HR
2017-04-18T19:43:15 < englishman> well all the jobs in usa are a) trucking or b) retail
2017-04-18T19:43:23 < englishman> hightech is pretty insignificant
2017-04-18T19:43:29 < branjb> technical sales seems pretty big
2017-04-18T19:43:43 < branjb> i have a few friends who do technical sales for intel and all they do is waste company money
2017-04-18T19:44:31 < branjb> seems like defense industry is a good place to be
2017-04-18T19:44:33 < Steffanx> Maybe those companies dont want to waste time and money on those websites
2017-04-18T19:44:37 < branjb> can't outsource that shit
2017-04-18T19:45:17 < branjb> is tuscon az a shithole?
2017-04-18T19:45:20 < branjb> lots of raytheon jobs there
2017-04-18T19:45:23 < Steffanx> Just go linkedin and get spammed by recruiters
2017-04-18T19:46:04 < Steffanx> Some here have real skills on linkedin: IRC. Ask englishman
2017-04-18T19:46:13 < englishman> yea man
2017-04-18T19:46:16 < branjb> Steffanx the problem with that is the only thing recruiters on linkedin are looking for is people to do ~full stack development~ ~php is a must~  ~need java EE devs~
2017-04-18T19:46:18 < branjb> fuck that
2017-04-18T19:46:19 < englishman> endorsed linkedin skill
2017-04-18T19:46:33 < englishman> literall pro irc
2017-04-18T19:47:13 < branjb> do people actually get jobs via linkedin?
2017-04-18T19:47:20 < branjb> it always seems like an HR / recruiter meme
2017-04-18T19:47:26 < dongs> i've had a profile for liek 10 years
2017-04-18T19:47:28 < dongs> nope
2017-04-18T19:47:36 < dongs> but my current job title is 'professional troll'
2017-04-18T19:47:39 < branjb> lol
2017-04-18T19:47:40 < Steffanx> Gary Niger failed to find a job?
2017-04-18T19:47:43 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-18T19:48:05 < englishman> well
2017-04-18T19:48:07 < englishman> he's black
2017-04-18T19:48:10 < englishman> what did you expect
2017-04-18T19:49:00 < Steffanx> Once you go black you never go back?
2017-04-18T19:49:24 < Laurenceb> to work
2017-04-18T19:50:48 < Steffanx> Good one Laurenceb
2017-04-18T19:51:03 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/M28Bm
2017-04-18T19:51:16 < Laurenceb> top kek
2017-04-18T19:51:20 < dongs> now try arduino
2017-04-18T19:51:25 < dongs> or raspberrypi
2017-04-18T19:51:26 < branjb> lol
2017-04-18T19:51:27 < branjb> shit
2017-04-18T19:51:41 < Laurenceb> ur jobless
2017-04-18T19:51:45 < branjb> only 1
2017-04-18T19:51:54 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aObZJN9zDtA
2017-04-18T19:52:05 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/UVOs9
2017-04-18T19:52:27 < Laurenceb> lul professor
2017-04-18T19:53:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=099_1492453015
2017-04-18T19:53:06 < englishman> university of advancing technology sounds like a university of phoenix spinoff
2017-04-18T19:53:19 < branjb> lol
2017-04-18T19:53:45 < branjb> wonder what the pay is
2017-04-18T19:53:49 < branjb> i love how it's a professor job
2017-04-18T19:53:54 < branjb> no edu requirements listed
2017-04-18T19:53:55 < branjb> lol
2017-04-18T19:54:03 < branjb> nm
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2017-04-18T19:54:06 < branjb> Masters Degree Required
2017-04-18T19:54:55 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=82c_1492451401
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2017-04-18T19:55:39 < branjb> arm has jobs in AZ
2017-04-18T19:55:42 < branjb> that sounds terrible
2017-04-18T19:56:02 < branjb> https://www.indeed.com/rc/clk?jk=d0996850afd463c3&fccid=0110be8f148b4964
2017-04-18T19:58:17 < Steffanx> "We are an Equal Opportunity Employer " .. the fact that they mention that makes me cry.
2017-04-18T19:58:59 < branjb> that just means to lie and say you're a black female trans disabled veteran
2017-04-18T19:59:20 < branjb> then when they don't hire you when you show up as a white male
2017-04-18T19:59:24 < branjb> you claim discrimination
2017-04-18T19:59:25 < branjb> right
2017-04-18T20:00:48 < Steffanx> ya
2017-04-18T20:01:28 < Laurenceb>  Equal Opportunity sounds like they employ someone with no qualifications :P
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2017-04-18T20:02:09 < Steffanx> no it means they would even hire you Laurenceb
2017-04-18T20:02:24 < gxti> let's not get too carried away Steffanx
2017-04-18T20:02:31 < englishman> lets not go too far
2017-04-18T20:02:32 < englishman> haha
2017-04-18T20:03:01 < gxti> maybe if he signs a contract agreeing to not post shitty links in ##stm32 all day
2017-04-18T20:03:03 < Steffanx> Dont be so mean. Hope is a good thing.
2017-04-18T20:03:14 < Laurenceb> I will have to live like fashnuke
2017-04-18T20:03:24 < englishman> what do you do now branjb, that lets you troll irc all day talking about how crap your town is
2017-04-18T20:03:46 < Steffanx> Studenting, duh.
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2017-04-18T20:04:28 < Laurenceb> I just realised farshnuke seems to make a ~1 hour video every ~12 hours
2017-04-18T20:04:47 < Steffanx> And you are the only one here that knows who that is.
2017-04-18T20:04:50 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uxuk5pI_ys
2017-04-18T20:04:59 < gxti> yeah i have no idea and i don't plan on finding out
2017-04-18T20:05:15 < englishman> oh yeah hes a student
2017-04-18T20:05:24 < Laurenceb> farshnuke is the hero of every irc user
2017-04-18T20:05:28 < Steffanx> Hows pick&placing englishman?
2017-04-18T20:05:39 < englishman> ordering from arrow -_-
2017-04-18T20:05:47 < englishman> you know what that means
2017-04-18T20:05:52 < englishman> dicknplace sitting idle and empty
2017-04-18T20:06:00 < Steffanx> There is still some hope left in you?
2017-04-18T20:06:12 < englishman> im going to apply to become a mailman
2017-04-18T20:06:22 < englishman> 65k a year and lots of fresh air
2017-04-18T20:06:28 < englishman> and a union
2017-04-18T20:06:33 < branjb> englishman: robotics integration/embedded shit/arduino faggotry
2017-04-18T20:06:35 < englishman> can spend all afternoon with the kitties
2017-04-18T20:07:11 < Steffanx> and us.
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2017-04-18T20:16:24 < srk> oh cool
2017-04-18T20:16:27 < srk> hi there
2017-04-18T20:16:34 < englishman> welcome
2017-04-18T20:16:44 < englishman> quick question, are you finnish?
2017-04-18T20:16:58 < srk> nop
2017-04-18T20:17:09 < englishman> ok, good, thanks
2017-04-18T20:17:17 < srk> quick question, is ATIM1 connected to PClk1?
2017-04-18T20:18:11 < englishman> what chip?
2017-04-18T20:18:15 < srk> f407
2017-04-18T20:19:13 < englishman> does ATIM1 = TIM1?
2017-04-18T20:19:18 < englishman> looks like tim1 is on apb2
2017-04-18T20:19:20 < srk> yes
2017-04-18T20:19:29 < srk> trying to find which periphs are connected to which periph clock
2017-04-18T20:19:35 < englishman> reference manuual rev 13, page 178
2017-04-18T20:21:19 < srk> hmm. so that means it is using plck2, right? apb1 is pclk1, apb2 pclk2.. makes senses
2017-04-18T20:22:15 < englishman> mostly, yes
2017-04-18T20:22:17 < srk> what's wrong with finnish people? :D
2017-04-18T20:22:19 < englishman> check out the clocktree in stm32cubemx
2017-04-18T20:22:33 < srk> cubemx looks scary
2017-04-18T20:22:44 < englishman> nothing, but this chan has met its quota of finns, so we can't let any more in until we get some sweedes
2017-04-18T20:22:50 < srk> :D
2017-04-18T20:23:47 < englishman> in cube you get handy diagrams like this http://i.imgur.com/2P6jUsN.png
2017-04-18T20:23:56 < srk> oh nice
2017-04-18T20:24:04 < srk> I might try that, does it run on linux?
2017-04-18T20:24:09 < sync_> yes
2017-04-18T20:24:12 < srk> good
2017-04-18T20:24:43 < srk> I've tried setting up eclipse for arm so I can inspect registers with it but failed terribly
2017-04-18T20:24:55 < srk> ended up with rm -rf of it and went back to gdb
2017-04-18T20:25:18 < srk> discovered set mem inaccessible-by-default off meanwhile :D
2017-04-18T20:33:10 < Laurenceb> http://www.titaniumteddybear.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/i-operate-on-another-level.jpg
2017-04-18T20:35:26 < srk> yup :D
2017-04-18T20:36:54 < srk> any haskell fans around?
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2017-04-18T20:49:46 < PaulFertser> srk: are you going to use haskell on stm32 or use haskell to generate code for it?
2017-04-18T20:55:11 < srk> PaulFertser: I'm already generating code with it - with ivory/tower framework :)
2017-04-18T20:55:31 < srk> https://wiki.base48.cz/EmbeddedHaskell
2017-04-18T20:55:37 < PaulFertser> srk: cool!
2017-04-18T20:56:40 < srk> it works surprisingly well so far
2017-04-18T20:57:04 < srk> currently porting ODriweFirmware for BLDC FOC control from cubemx to ivory
2017-04-18T20:57:10 < PaulFertser> SMACCMPilot guys are cool
2017-04-18T20:57:30 < srk> indeed. the work they did on SMACCMPilot and ivory tower is amazing
2017-04-18T20:58:00 < srk> they even compare it with rust in one of their papers in terms of memory safety
2017-04-18T20:58:29 < srk> but rust on embedded is not quite there yet
2017-04-18T20:58:32 < dongs>  donno wats more amazing rust or AMP
2017-04-18T20:58:44 < srk> AMP?
2017-04-18T20:58:49 < Steffanx> ohsix is more amazing.
2017-04-18T20:58:56 < dongs> thats what i wasw thinking.
2017-04-18T20:59:03 < dongs> he's got so many completed rust projects on stm32
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2017-04-18T20:59:22 < Steffanx> Google Accelerated Mobile Pages srk, dongs is obsessed by that ;)
2017-04-18T20:59:27 < srk> :))
2017-04-18T20:59:36 < srk> I'm obsessed with ivory/tower now :D
2017-04-18T20:59:47 < srk> can't sleep, need to explore stuff constantly
2017-04-18T20:59:58 < Steffanx> Yes, and somehow that name .. meh. It fits that image Laurenceb posted so well.
2017-04-18T21:00:10 < Steffanx> :P
2017-04-18T21:01:09 < srk> well I don't care much about bus factor so .. :)
2017-04-18T21:01:25 < Steffanx> But i never tried or seen real haskell so i wont judge
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2017-04-18T21:54:11 < qyx> englishman: whats your scratch register value?
2017-04-18T21:54:13 < qyx> and chip rev?
2017-04-18T21:55:55 < englishman> didnt check scratch register
2017-04-18T21:56:00 < englishman> apparently its completely useless
2017-04-18T21:56:08 < englishman> chip rev i do forget :(
2017-04-18T21:56:40 < qyx> it is intended to be used to check the communication
2017-04-18T21:56:50 < qyx> aha, fuck
2017-04-18T21:57:08 < qyx> I forgot to reset the chip
2017-04-18T21:57:43 < qyx> so it kept the random value I have written previously and the check failed
2017-04-18T21:57:47 < englishman> ah
2017-04-18T21:57:53 < englishman> yeah i have some notes on properly resetting
2017-04-18T21:58:30 < englishman> por
2017-04-18T21:58:41 < englishman> then pull cs low for 1ms, back up
2017-04-18T21:58:45 < englishman> then set and reset RST bit
2017-04-18T21:59:01 < qyx> is the cs part important?
2017-04-18T21:59:12 < englishman> it doesnt have to be 1ms, but i was lazy and did delay(1)
2017-04-18T21:59:23 < englishman> i think you can poll for the chip pulling some line high
2017-04-18T22:00:13 < englishman> oh, and i got confirmation from ON that ax5043 and ax5243 are identical silicon
2017-04-18T22:01:18 < qyx> I suspected the same as the programming manuals are both marked as 5043
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2017-04-18T22:03:10 < englishman> The MISO line will be held low during initialization,
2017-04-18T22:03:10 < englishman> and will rise to high at the end of the initialization, when the
2017-04-18T22:03:10 < englishman> chip becomes ready for further operation.
2017-04-18T22:03:11 < englishman> that one
2017-04-18T22:04:45 < qyx> yep, found that
2017-04-18T22:04:57 < qyx> ok, vTaskDelay(5) will do
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2017-04-18T22:18:14 < englishman> 100 year old chinese clones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HNaB7l2GQk
2017-04-18T22:20:59 < englishman> BELGIOUB
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2017-04-18T22:23:31 < Steffanx> lol clonerware..
2017-04-18T22:36:27 < Ecco> Hi guys
2017-04-18T22:36:35 < Steffanx> Hello Mr. Ecco
2017-04-18T22:36:59 < Ecco> I was wondering: what kind of performance would you guys expect from the ROMed DFU in an STM32F4?
2017-04-18T22:50:42 < Steffanx> Oh, i've never used it. So can't tell
2017-04-18T22:51:03 < Ecco> ok :)
2017-04-18T22:51:16 < Ecco> I'm getting 7 KB/s over USB :-/
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2017-04-18T22:53:50 < englishman> Shortly before he killed self, Steve Stephens ordered 20 nuggets and fries at drive-through window, workers said.
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2017-04-18T22:54:27 < Steffanx> Thanks. I really had to know this.
2017-04-18T22:54:54 < englishman> the whole rest of the article is about ordering fries
2017-04-18T22:54:57 < Rob235> I hate myself... :P
2017-04-18T22:55:01 < englishman> and written in the same cadence
2017-04-18T22:55:04 < Rob235> what are you guys up to
2017-04-18T22:55:19 < Steffanx> ble.
2017-04-18T22:55:22 < englishman> innovation paused for lunch
2017-04-18T22:56:43 < Rob235> I'm just a useless pile of molecules, I miss working on projects.
2017-04-18T22:56:51 < Steffanx> Stop it Rob235.
2017-04-18T22:57:46 < Rob235> java update just popped up, you have to update the jdk manually to work with it though right?
2017-04-18T22:58:13 < Rob235> I need them to release update 152
2017-04-18T22:58:17 < Rob235> this is for 131
2017-04-18T22:58:19 < Steffanx> I mean, stop talking yourself down.
2017-04-18T22:58:32 < Rob235> its been a rough month, my bad.
2017-04-18T22:58:44 < Rob235> coming off opiates atm
2017-04-18T22:59:01 < Rob235> and repeating my mistake of yesterday
2017-04-18T22:59:10 < Steffanx> So dont do that? :P
2017-04-18T22:59:13 < Rob235> haha
2017-04-18T23:03:29 < Rob235> my parents are gone, my sister is a bitch that I haven't talked to in at least a year, she even had a kid that I've never met. I thought my gf was my family but she betrayed me, at the worst time when I'm withdrawing from opiates. I just gotta get through the next couple weeks and the withdrawal side effects should subside (usual dose of suboxone is 8-24mg a day, I weaned down to 1/16th of a mg a day so its mild but still
2017-04-18T23:03:29 < Rob235>  there). I just need my motivation back... sorry for being a pussy right now :P
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2017-04-18T23:05:30 < Rob235> I think its the realization that I really don't like my gf that sucks, she's stuck with me through a lot of shit and I felt I owed her but she makes shit worse, but I also have no where else to go...
2017-04-18T23:05:55 < Rob235> and thats all, I'm dne
2017-04-18T23:06:11 < Rob235> continue convo about socs and pants
2017-04-18T23:09:06 < Steffanx> You know you are in ##stm32 right?  The channel that doesnt care about peoples feelings/issues/whatever? ;)
2017-04-18T23:10:19 < Steffanx> We should start a ##stm32 self help group. You're not the only one with issues, Rob235 :P
2017-04-18T23:10:36 < Rob235> of course, I'm 100000000000:1 times more likely to get made to feel worse in here. But fuck it, I like you guys (most at least) I had to vent
2017-04-18T23:11:52 < Steffanx> ok
2017-04-18T23:11:52 < englishman> cheer up rob
2017-04-18T23:11:56 < englishman> at least you're still white
2017-04-18T23:12:37 < Steffanx> You can't know.
2017-04-18T23:13:11 < Rob235> I'm drunk, I'm sweating, I have the chills, but it won't last forever and I will get my motivation back and soon be making 70k+ a year and I can tell my gf to suck on that and feel bad about that for a second until I realize I fixed my life... just takes time :)
2017-04-18T23:13:18 < Rob235> I'm white
2017-04-18T23:13:28 < Steffanx> Stop drinking.
2017-04-18T23:13:30 < Rob235> I know
2017-04-18T23:13:50 < Steffanx> but now for real.
2017-04-18T23:13:50 < Rob235> I havent in like 6 months, I hate drinking, but the opiate withdrawals are making me too anxious.
2017-04-18T23:14:02 < Rob235> deal
2017-04-18T23:14:20 < Rob235> you know why I like you, Steffanx , the best?
2017-04-18T23:14:27 < Rob235> out of anyone here
2017-04-18T23:14:35 < Steffanx> ..
2017-04-18T23:14:38 < upgrdman> you mean im not your favorite? :(
2017-04-18T23:14:44 < gxti> because he's the only sane one probably
2017-04-18T23:14:55 < Rob235> you called me on my shit when I said no one helped me with my drone.
2017-04-18T23:15:11 < Rob235> in a constructive way
2017-04-18T23:15:36 < englishman> plenty of us helped in a destructive way
2017-04-18T23:15:42 < Steffanx> Im very good at telling people how to do shit, without doing any of that myself :P
2017-04-18T23:15:54 < Steffanx> I should become a manager.
2017-04-18T23:16:04 < gxti> sounds like leadership to me
2017-04-18T23:16:17 < Steffanx> More like lazy.
2017-04-18T23:16:50 < Rob235> I thought a lot about what you said when I said that no one helped me. That I'd ask a question and get no/or bullshit responses. you were right though. I wouldn't know what I know if it wasn't for this channel.
2017-04-18T23:17:25 < Steffanx>  \o/ :)
2017-04-18T23:17:31 < Rob235> so thank you
2017-04-18T23:18:12 < upgrdman> this channel is starting to sound like a therapists office
2017-04-18T23:18:19 < upgrdman> "show me on this doll where he touched you"
2017-04-18T23:18:28 < gxti> and how does that make you feel, upgrdman?
2017-04-18T23:18:44 < upgrdman> feelsgoodman
2017-04-18T23:18:53 < Steffanx> I have something to tell you guys too.
2017-04-18T23:19:01 < Steffanx> It seems my nrf ic just died on me.
2017-04-18T23:19:14 < gxti> i am sorry for your loss.
2017-04-18T23:19:40 < Steffanx> but i dont understand why.
2017-04-18T23:21:02 < gxti> we all have our burdens to carry. for example, right now i want to punch whoever is feeding sheets into the shredder in the room next to me one at a time, so there's just enough time for it to turn off then back on again each time
2017-04-18T23:21:21 < Rob235> ok, on a stm note, I was thinking of using my leftover ws2812b's to put under my bed to create a cool effect I've seen online.  good idea?
2017-04-18T23:21:34 < Rob235> I also want to make a POV 'clock'
2017-04-18T23:21:40 < upgrdman> Rob235, sounds like it would be distracting
2017-04-18T23:21:52 < upgrdman> beds are for fucking, not for light shows
2017-04-18T23:21:53 < Rob235> I need distracting for a bit
2017-04-18T23:22:11 < Steffanx> It would be good for your trips, but i just said you should stop that :P
2017-04-18T23:22:17 < upgrdman> actually, that might be kinda cool. get the light show in sync with bed movements
2017-04-18T23:22:31 < upgrdman> deep trusts -> light flash, etc
2017-04-18T23:22:45 < Rob235> if I finish my last 3 classes of school starting in June I need to get my head right and keep programming and get out of my head
2017-04-18T23:23:04 < englishman> what did you do to that poor innocent nordic ic steffans
2017-04-18T23:23:06 < Steffanx> Sometimes i wonder if you are really 13 yo upgrdman.
2017-04-18T23:23:21 < Ultrasauce> im 12 and what is this
2017-04-18T23:23:29 < upgrdman> Steffanx, :)
2017-04-18T23:23:43 < Rob235> I wish I could go back to 13 with the knowledge I have now.  Shitty parents (even when one has the greatest of intentions) fucks you up :P
2017-04-18T23:23:52 < upgrdman> Steffanx, would you really want me to grow up tho?
2017-04-18T23:23:56 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-04-18T23:24:03 < upgrdman> ;(
2017-04-18T23:24:17 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MNR2x53q/allYallIRL.png
2017-04-18T23:24:17 < Steffanx> Talking to it with 3.3V while it's running at 2.5V?  Or turning the psu off while the 3.3V lines are still connected? Not sure. englishman
2017-04-18T23:24:23 < ReadError> ##stm32'ers spotted
2017-04-18T23:24:34 < Steffanx> Im white, not blue.
2017-04-18T23:25:00 < englishman> hmm
2017-04-18T23:25:04 < englishman> are they that fragile
2017-04-18T23:25:09 < Steffanx> Not sure.
2017-04-18T23:27:07 < Rob235> I'm going to waste the rest of this day. finish watching logan, and hopefully come up with a plan.  my school just emailed me saying I'm good, just waiting on financial aid info. I will get past this. have fun guys.
2017-04-18T23:27:28 < Steffanx>  Adios mr.
2017-04-18T23:28:09 < Steffanx> Where does one watch such new movie Rob235 ?
2017-04-18T23:28:26 < Ultrasauce> Rob235 you suck i hate u
2017-04-18T23:28:28 < Rob235> this channel is logged :P
2017-04-18T23:29:04 < Steffanx> englishman, no it's not that fragile.
2017-04-18T23:29:17 < Rob235> but I hear pirates have been stealing a lot from the bay lately
2017-04-18T23:29:17 < englishman> pebkac?
2017-04-18T23:29:19 < Steffanx> MacOS is THAT fragile. Reboot <3
2017-04-18T23:29:24 < englishman> ah yes
2017-04-18T23:29:34 < englishman> in this case the problem is behind the keyboard
2017-04-18T23:29:41 < Steffanx> or maybe openocd, but .. same shit.
2017-04-18T23:30:35 < Steffanx> My sources have no logan, or is it a cam version, Rob235?
2017-04-18T23:31:15 < Rob235> south korean HC subs, not the best quality I've seen but definitely way better than a cam
2017-04-18T23:32:44 < Steffanx> Why so much hate Ultrasauce?
2017-04-18T23:33:13 < Rob235> because I deleted his comment from my youtube drone video :P jk
2017-04-18T23:33:37 < Ultrasauce> ye, that
2017-04-18T23:34:37 < Steffanx> That's evil.
2017-04-18T23:34:48 < Rob235> it was a bs comment :P
2017-04-18T23:35:03 < Steffanx> Impossible. That's not Ultrasauce's style.
2017-04-18T23:36:14 < Rob235> I need to drill some holes in the wall, now is a good time right? :)
2017-04-18T23:37:10 < srk> I've heard that walls get even softer at 5am
2017-04-18T23:37:39 < Steffanx> time.is/wheredoesrob235live?
2017-04-18T23:37:43 < Rob235> I'm not waiting 12 hours
2017-04-18T23:38:05 < Rob235> I can't focus on a movie right now...
2017-04-18T23:39:24 < Rob235> what is 12 hours from here? australia? new zealand? japan/any area of china isnt is it?
2017-04-18T23:39:59 < Rob235> must be new guinea
2017-04-18T23:40:03 < Rob235> :P
2017-04-18T23:42:14 < Rob235> oh wow, its like straight in the middle of china/russia?
2017-04-18T23:42:33 < Rob235> or possibly a little west?
2017-04-18T23:42:41 < Rob235> maps are confusing
2017-04-18T23:43:14 < karlp> from "here" ?
2017-04-18T23:44:12 < Rob235> east coast us
2017-04-18T23:44:19 < Rob235> -5
2017-04-18T23:44:24 < Rob235> gmt
2017-04-18T23:45:13 < Rob235> http://alien-homepage.de/weather_start/current_site_template_%20expl_english/weathersite%20general%20template/images/timezones/gif/large_images/utc+7/webfiles/utc+7_raw_text.png
2017-04-18T23:45:59 < Rob235> are gmt and utc the same?
2017-04-18T23:47:21 < Ultrasauce> for part of the year yes
2017-04-18T23:47:27 < Rob235> thanks for making me google it, it said no
2017-04-18T23:47:28 < Rob235> oh
2017-04-18T23:47:30 < Rob235> really? haha
2017-04-18T23:47:57 < Rob235> Ultrasauce: what do your parents do?
2017-04-18T23:48:21 < Ultrasauce> retired
2017-04-18T23:48:32 < Rob235> ok... thanks for wasting time.. before that
2017-04-18T23:49:03 < Rob235> I dont care if they worked as greeters at walmart, I just want to know if you feel like sharing
2017-04-18T23:49:19 < englishman> qyx: radio is getting unreliable
2017-04-18T23:49:22 < englishman> really think i need txcos
2017-04-18T23:49:45 < Rob235> I sold my monero at the wrong time, it went back up to $22
2017-04-18T23:49:50 < Ultrasauce> milliner and teachers assistant
2017-04-18T23:50:14 < Rob235> intersting, I like that
2017-04-18T23:50:28 < sync_> use https://www.microsemi.com/products/timing-synchronization-systems/embedded-timing-solutions/components/sa-45s-chip-scale-atomic-clock englishman
2017-04-18T23:51:05 < Rob235> how does a decent looking guy with this tech knowledge come out of that combo?
2017-04-18T23:51:33 < Rob235> tell me to shut up if you please
2017-04-18T23:51:39 < englishman> 120mW will work on a cr2032 right
2017-04-18T23:51:53 < sync_> yes
2017-04-18T23:52:01 < englishman> hmm
2017-04-18T23:52:06 < englishman> this may be a power thing
2017-04-18T23:52:13 < englishman> its working better on cell battery than bench psu
2017-04-18T23:52:20 < sync_> need more bulk cap
2017-04-18T23:52:26 < Ultrasauce> the answer is never talk to girls and read a lot
2017-04-18T23:52:27 < englishman> yee
2017-04-18T23:52:46 < englishman> still unreliable tho but im using cheap 10ppm xtals for psk...
2017-04-18T23:52:50 < englishman> 56k psk...
2017-04-18T23:53:43 < Rob235> so self esteem issues. I can relate. I dont believe I have the looks for that though. I wish I started advancing earlier.  I started programming at 12 but I stuck with VB for way too long
2017-04-18T23:54:32 < Rob235> my father worked for AT&T and worked on the first system where you'd call an 800 number and they would connect you to your local dominoes chain
2017-04-18T23:54:43 < Ultrasauce> i would not advise projecting onto my shitposting
2017-04-18T23:54:50 < Rob235> my bad
2017-04-18T23:54:53 < Rob235> sorry
2017-04-18T23:55:01 < englishman> Ultrasauce: how's the burnout
2017-04-18T23:55:05 < englishman> wanna become a mailman like me
2017-04-18T23:55:09 < englishman> and fuck yo career
2017-04-18T23:55:18 < Ultrasauce> eh might go pump gas
2017-04-18T23:55:27 < englishman> work 4h a day delivering to community boxes
2017-04-18T23:55:35 < englishman> 65k a year plus benefits
2017-04-18T23:57:19 < Ultrasauce> i didnt write a line of c till i was 18 rob so dont worry about that
2017-04-18T23:59:17 < Rob235> whats the language to know right now, java or #
2017-04-18T23:59:20 < Rob235> C#
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2017-04-19T00:00:20 < Ultrasauce> both, and more
2017-04-19T00:00:25 < Rob235> whats more
2017-04-19T00:01:11 < Ultrasauce> everything used in the field you end up in?
2017-04-19T00:01:13 < Rob235> I learned python, I know both of those mentioned fairly well but refreshing my knowledge atm, I decided I don't want to get into web dev so even though I know some html5/css/javascript I dont want to use it
2017-04-19T00:01:49 < Rob235> I mainly want to learn java/c# and android/iOS (objective-c) dev
2017-04-19T00:01:55 < Ultrasauce> learn the unix cli
2017-04-19T00:02:15 < Rob235> ive made an iOS obj C app but that was years ago
2017-04-19T00:02:43 < Rob235> what about current framworks?
2017-04-19T00:02:43 < Rob235> e
2017-04-19T00:04:20 < Rob235> is swift ever going to be something I want to know? I hope not
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2017-04-19T00:04:42 < Ultrasauce> personally i'm staying the fuck away from the ios ecosystem
2017-04-19T00:04:53 < Rob235> I like that plan
2017-04-19T00:07:14 < Ultrasauce> at the end of the day knowing the specific platforms or whatever are a lot less useful than the skill of picking up a new one imo
2017-04-19T00:07:39 < Ultrasauce> cause every product by every company will have its own stack
2017-04-19T00:07:45 < jadew> man... the UI on this sig gen sucks, I never know when the output is on or off
2017-04-19T00:08:44 < Rob235> would any of you sell your car (even if you love it) to pay off a credit card and buy a cheaper car? could that ever work out benefically?
2017-04-19T00:09:02 < jadew> doh
2017-04-19T00:09:23 < jadew> why would you want to live in debt?
2017-04-19T00:09:47 < Rob235> I only have $1k in debt. I paid off all my old student loans and everything. But I'm broke now and not working...
2017-04-19T00:10:36 < Rob235> I have an 06 acural TL that I can probably get 5-6k for but now that I'm typing this out I don't think its worth trading
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2017-04-19T00:11:35 < jadew> here's the thing, if you can earn and pay back that debt, before it gets bigger and cripples you, then don't sell it
2017-04-19T00:11:43 < jadew> if you can't, then there's no other choice
2017-04-19T00:11:46 < jadew> except sell something else
2017-04-19T00:12:15 < Rob235> that depends on my gf that I just found out has been sexting with a coworker
2017-04-19T00:12:22 < Rob235> DRAMA
2017-04-19T00:12:30 < jadew> living without that thing hanging over your head is much better than having a nicer car
2017-04-19T00:12:33 < Rob235> I'm milking her for all shes got
2017-04-19T00:13:01 < jadew> by milking do you mean sexually or... money?
2017-04-19T00:13:09 < jadew> not sure, considering the context :)
2017-04-19T00:13:29 < Rob235> I meant money but I'm not really being serious, I'm stuck at a crossroad right now
2017-04-19T00:14:55 < Rob235> it really sucks not having any family left...
2017-04-19T00:15:15 < jadew> protip: if your g/f is cheating and you don't care about her, go nuts and try to make all your fantasies come true
2017-04-19T00:15:40 < jadew> ex: threesome with a friend of hers, threesome with a friend of yours, maybe that coworker
2017-04-19T00:15:44 < jadew> etc (you get the point)
2017-04-19T00:16:19 < ReadError> you are supposed to do that before she knows you know
2017-04-19T00:16:22 < ReadError> then dump her after
2017-04-19T00:16:23 < jadew> then you can dump her
2017-04-19T00:16:25 < jadew> yeah
2017-04-19T00:16:47 < Rob235> I did that in the past (when she wasn't cheating but she made me hate her in other ways) and she stuck by me, I was the asshole in the past, shes the new hypocrite. I dont know what I want to do anymore. I thought I had a plan and now I'm drinking again which is the worst
2017-04-19T00:17:31 < Rob235> only two days, Its not gonna be a problem, but my point is I dont know if I want anything to do with her
2017-04-19T00:17:34 < jadew> you did that with her?
2017-04-19T00:17:43 < Rob235> did what
2017-04-19T00:17:54 < jadew> threesomes and shit
2017-04-19T00:18:05 < Rob235> there were limits but yea
2017-04-19T00:18:37 < Rob235> only girls could interact
2017-04-19T00:18:48 < Rob235> she wasnt very into it
2017-04-19T00:18:52 < Rob235> in the end
2017-04-19T00:19:35 < jadew> I'd be into that
2017-04-19T00:20:22 < ReadError> https://soundcloud.com/itsjaydonlewis/call
2017-04-19T00:21:20 < Rob235> its different when you find out shes been texting her co worker with pics/vids of each of them and I wasn't told.  If she included me from the beginning Itd probably be different. but shes the type to want emotional connections and I just want to have fun with a third, so I see it as a big deal.
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2017-04-19T00:21:56 < jadew> if you think she's only texting with him, you're delusional
2017-04-19T00:22:18 < Rob235> if you think you know the girl I've spent the last 8 years with, then you're delusional
2017-04-19T00:22:54 < jadew> I know what my friends do
2017-04-19T00:23:03 < Rob235> I know she hasn't acted on anything, it was just sexting
2017-04-19T00:23:04 < jadew> including married ones
2017-04-19T00:23:13 < jadew> and the chicks that send them naked photos
2017-04-19T00:23:21 < jadew> they had affairs with them
2017-04-19T00:23:32 < jadew> because it's not something that comes up during normal conversation
2017-04-19T00:23:32 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/iVEJ8i9.jpg
2017-04-19T00:23:39 < jadew> so btw, how about some pics of your pussy
2017-04-19T00:23:43 < Rob235> You dont' know anything, and I was included int he convo so theres more to it
2017-04-19T00:24:06 < Rob235> she liked the attention
2017-04-19T00:24:26 < Rob235> but yea I dont wanna talk about it anymore.
2017-04-19T00:24:27 < jadew> ok, you know better, but it sounds fishy
2017-04-19T00:24:33 < englishman> todays innovation http://i.imgur.com/7KjPToP.jpg
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2017-04-19T00:24:46 < Rob235> I agree but I believe nothing physical actually happened.
2017-04-19T00:24:58 < sync_> nice englishman
2017-04-19T00:25:09 < jadew> lol englishman
2017-04-19T00:26:08 < jadew> Rob235, do you want an open relationship?
2017-04-19T00:26:24 < jadew> sorry for continuing the convo, but I can't figure out how you're so chill about it
2017-04-19T00:26:45 < Rob235> not in the traditional sense, I want a relationship where the two of us are enjoying the company of others together
2017-04-19T00:27:02 < jadew> ok, then I guess there's no problem there
2017-04-19T00:27:24 < Rob235> she went at it alone though
2017-04-19T00:27:51 < Rob235> and for reasons other than fun, she liked the emotional response which is not okay with me
2017-04-19T00:28:38 < jadew> I'd leave my wife if she did that
2017-04-19T00:30:13 < jadew> but that's only because I wouldn't be ok if she had sex with other people
2017-04-19T00:31:03 < jadew> and even if nothing would have happened at that point, it would make me question her fidelity overall
2017-04-19T00:31:13 < Rob235> I wouldn't mind sharing to be honest, I think it would be sexy. But if shes being sneaky and shit and wants it for different reasons than me (which is just fun) then it changes things
2017-04-19T00:31:45 < Rob235> I can separate sex from emotions, she can't, thats the main problem, and she took a step towards it
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2017-04-19T00:33:18 < Rob235> Sex with emotion is so much better but it doesn't mean changing things up and just having some fun is negative... but when the other feels emotional, thats when the problem starts
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2017-04-19T00:35:11 < Rob235> we have always been opposites in many ways, which has helped both of us grow in positive ways, but I dont think thats enough anymore, now that we have grown we have different desires for life, we aren't children anymore
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2017-04-19T00:39:00 < Rob235> and now my past self is coming out.  I havent drank in so long and I just drank half a pint but I want more. If I get more, I'll feel like shit tomorrow because I'm going to black out and not remember to drink tons of water and take prilosec and blah blah blah. It will ruin my day/night/tomorrow but I can't get the thought out of my mind.  I'm just an addict that was finally growing up and now I'm lost again...
2017-04-19T00:39:36 < Rob235> ok that got a little bit serious.
2017-04-19T00:39:43 < Steffanx> Stop drinking.
2017-04-19T00:39:45 < Rob235> I'm ready to lighten the mood
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2017-04-19T00:41:02 < Rob235> I went to lowes yesterday to buy some hardware to keep our mattress from slipping and keep everything in place, I should work on that
2017-04-19T00:41:38 < Steffanx> Yes. :P
2017-04-19T00:41:43 < Rob235> sorry guys
2017-04-19T00:41:45 < Rob235> :P
2017-04-19T00:42:42 < jadew> almost forgot
2017-04-19T00:42:51 < jadew> pop quiz: is the output on or off? http://5.12.152.140/stuff/ui.png
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2017-04-19T00:43:43 < Rob235> its in a dual quantum state
2017-04-19T00:44:29 < jadew> let me know if you figure out
2017-04-19T00:44:54 < jadew> right now, I have no idea, I simply forget after each time I use it
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2017-04-19T00:45:49 < BrainDamage> increase the power to 30dBm, put in a glass of water and see if it warms up
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2017-04-19T00:46:09 < jadew> heh
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2017-04-19T00:48:06 < jadew> I just found out, anyone wants to take a guess?
2017-04-19T00:50:05 < BrainDamage> it's off
2017-04-19T00:50:25 < BrainDamage> because the disable output button is enabled
2017-04-19T00:50:27 < Steffanx> Its off
2017-04-19T00:50:50 < jadew> yep, it's off
2017-04-19T00:51:21 < jadew> BrainDamage, what disable output button?
2017-04-19T00:51:38 < BrainDamage> "RF off"
2017-04-19T00:51:46 < jadew> well yeah, but that's pushed
2017-04-19T00:51:52 < BrainDamage> exactly
2017-04-19T00:52:00 < BrainDamage> so output off is enabled
2017-04-19T00:52:03 < jadew> but when it's not pushed it says RF ON
2017-04-19T00:52:12 < jadew> like if you push it, it will turn on
2017-04-19T00:52:54 < Steffanx> Fail UI
2017-04-19T00:53:07 < jadew> and btw, modulation is off, because neither AM nor FM modulation is enabled, but that's not reflected in the state or availability of that button
2017-04-19T00:53:20 < Steffanx> Better fix
2017-04-19T00:54:13 < jadew> it's super weird that something is ON, when the button is depressed
2017-04-19T00:54:32 < jadew> that's part of the issue, the other issue is that they're changing the label
2017-04-19T00:54:38 < jadew> it should just say RF ON
2017-04-19T00:54:38 < BrainDamage> I've used few instruments that had an "output disable"
2017-04-19T00:54:41 < jadew> and when it's pressed, it's on
2017-04-19T00:54:43 < Steffanx> Depressed :D
2017-04-19T00:54:50 < jadew> heh
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2017-04-19T00:56:07 < jadew> and I don't know what's the deal with the ERR button
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2017-04-19T00:56:34 < jadew> it reports no error in the status bar, but the ERR button is not pushed -- does that mean error?
2017-04-19T00:56:44 < jadew> probably not
2017-04-19T00:56:56 < BrainDamage> maybe they have the same philosophy I use in my projects, I add a self destruct function that reuses the hw
2017-04-19T00:57:14 < BrainDamage> eg sets the buck output to unsafe voltages, etc
2017-04-19T00:57:33 < jadew> heh, why would you do that?
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2017-04-19T00:58:00 < BrainDamage> why _wouldn't_ you do it, a self destruct function can always be useful!
2017-04-19T00:58:13 < BrainDamage> plus it's like movie supervillain 101
2017-04-19T00:58:24 < jadew> I did a board once where the board could control its own power supply
2017-04-19T00:58:32 < jadew> first run was a total failure
2017-04-19T00:58:44 < jadew> it wouldn't start unless I shorted some pins
2017-04-19T00:59:06 < jadew> BrainDamage, I agree
2017-04-19T01:00:12  * jadew removes LDO and adds DC-DC converter to this board
2017-04-19T01:01:39 < jadew> are there interior decorators for labs?
2017-04-19T01:01:55 < jadew> I need someone to tell me how to make more room
2017-04-19T01:03:58 < jadew> I've seen people do more with less space, but I feel that if I do any changes it will ruin the feng-shui
2017-04-19T01:05:57 < jadew> it would be interesting to see a video about how pros start laying out an EE work space
2017-04-19T01:11:17 < sync_> piling shit up on a table
2017-04-19T01:11:28 < sync_> rage hard
2017-04-19T01:11:41 < sync_> and then start piling up stuff again
2017-04-19T01:11:53 < jadew> sounds like what I'm doing
2017-04-19T01:12:15 < sync_> it really depends
2017-04-19T01:12:16 < Ultrasauce> when you move to a new project just sweep it all into a pile on the floor
2017-04-19T01:12:32 < sync_> if you are always doing the same stuff you can put stuff on your desk neatly
2017-04-19T01:12:37 < sync_> but if you are doing project bsnz
2017-04-19T01:12:44 < sync_> usually shit piled up is the way to go
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2017-04-19T01:23:37 < kakimir> hello
2017-04-19T01:24:52 < Rob235> hello
2017-04-19T01:26:01 < Rob235> MBP needs better speakers
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2017-04-19T01:26:40 < Rob235> I have beats dont I, they came with the mac
2017-04-19T01:26:56 < kakimir> please. I have zenbook.
2017-04-19T01:27:23 < Rob235> beats are overpriced shit but they have to be better than listening to music from the mbp
2017-04-19T01:27:42 < kakimir> speakers make sound that is purelly "suggestive"
2017-04-19T01:27:59 < kakimir> or "referential"
2017-04-19T01:28:17 < Rob235> wow the lack of bass is impressively bad''
2017-04-19T01:28:55 < kakimir> zero bass
2017-04-19T01:29:20 < kakimir> where are the flat high power drivers they innovated years back for stuff like this
2017-04-19T01:29:21 < Rob235> if it was legal I'd go back to my car, nice system in there even for stock
2017-04-19T01:29:45 < Rob235> I think it has the first surround sound dvd audio shitz
2017-04-19T01:32:01 < Rob235> I heard the maker of beats/z got ripped off by dre, garbage capitalism
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2017-04-19T01:35:16 < Laurenceb_> I asked /brit/ to draw a picture of me
2017-04-19T01:35:20 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/PF7IxmQ
2017-04-19T01:35:54 < Rob235> thats beautiful
2017-04-19T01:35:59 < Rob235> Id love that dildo in my ass
2017-04-19T01:36:17 < Rob235> you should fix the hole in your wall though
2017-04-19T01:37:44 < Laurenceb_> pls got to /newbrit/
2017-04-19T01:37:47 < Rob235> you know I'm 6'5 qne 150 lbs (thats 68kg) I wish I was fat? kinda? not really?
2017-04-19T01:37:49 < Laurenceb_> and leave us alone
2017-04-19T01:38:10 < Laurenceb_>  /newbrit/ is like /brit/ but with traps and faggotry
2017-04-19T01:38:15 < Laurenceb_> like you
2017-04-19T01:38:32 < Rob235> wow, getting ripped on by Laurenceb_ , thats a new low
2017-04-19T01:43:50 < aandrew> lol
2017-04-19T01:44:20  * TheSeven wonders if he should try CAN or just use RS485 for some kind of home automation bus
2017-04-19T01:44:32 < aandrew> TheSeven: RS485 is quite reliable
2017-04-19T01:44:38 < Rob235> is that serial?
2017-04-19T01:44:39 < aandrew> it's also stupidly easy to use
2017-04-19T01:44:40 < aandrew> yes
2017-04-19T01:44:42 < Rob235> I want to do the same
2017-04-19T01:44:46 < aandrew> it's a UART connected to a specific PHY
2017-04-19T01:45:05 < Rob235> yo Laurenceb_
2017-04-19T01:45:07 < aandrew> CAN is a little more complex, has built in priority encoding and failure modes are more clearly defined
2017-04-19T01:45:11 < Laurenceb_> wut Rob
2017-04-19T01:45:16 < Rob235> lets get naked and see what happens
2017-04-19T01:45:16 < aandrew> but for little shit it's really not any better
2017-04-19T01:45:22 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-04-19T01:45:25 < Rob235> haha
2017-04-19T01:45:38 < Laurenceb_> the gayest thing ever said on ##stm32
2017-04-19T01:46:10 < Rob235> I never listen to CKY but at full blast they are possibly the best band ever
2017-04-19T01:46:21 < Laurenceb_> are they metal?
2017-04-19T01:46:35 < Rob235> I dunno, I guess
2017-04-19T01:46:41 < Rob235> its bam margeras brother
2017-04-19T01:46:54 < Rob235> listenl to 96 quite bitter beings
2017-04-19T01:47:03 < Rob235> flesh into gear
2017-04-19T01:47:08 < Rob235> and sink into the underground
2017-04-19T01:47:14 < Rob235> at loud volume
2017-04-19T01:47:51 < Rob235> pumps me up
2017-04-19T01:47:59 < Rob235> hell yea theres a pumps
2017-04-19T01:48:05 < Rob235> pumps sucks pumps
2017-04-19T01:48:19 < kakimir> movie recommds?
2017-04-19T01:48:32 < sync_> Yeah can is overkill for most things
2017-04-19T01:48:37 < Rob235>  have you at least seen donnie darko?
2017-04-19T01:48:43 < sync_> Also rage to debug imho
2017-04-19T01:49:09 < Rob235> inception is my favorite, blood diamond is great, i like leo
2017-04-19T01:49:14 < Rob235> basketball diaries
2017-04-19T01:50:09 < Rob235> first time I saw donnie darko I watched it 3 times the same day
2017-04-19T01:51:01 < Rob235> chinese freestyle, i'm listening to right now
2017-04-19T01:51:04 < Rob235> good shit
2017-04-19T01:51:17 < Rob235> cky (brandon)
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2017-04-19T01:52:23 < Rob235> man flesh into gear, I get so pumped
2017-04-19T01:52:37 < Rob235> headphones, blast that shit
2017-04-19T01:52:38 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: 2001
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2017-04-19T01:53:19 < Rob235> 2001 a space oddysye?
2017-04-19T01:53:23 < Rob235> sp correct
2017-04-19T01:54:21 < Rob235> man even fast and fusious series is awesome.  art is art. I'm watching the f&f series with my gf and its amazing.  Learn to appreciate moves for what they are
2017-04-19T01:55:24 < Rob235> brandons freestyle
2017-04-19T01:58:35 < Rob235> https://pastebin.com/vF93iiyM
2017-04-19T01:58:40 < Rob235> my first poem
2017-04-19T02:02:17 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-04-19T02:02:26 < Laurenceb_> Prob235 has gone into full shitposting mode
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2017-04-19T02:02:38 < Laurenceb_>  > fast and furious
2017-04-19T02:02:52 < Laurenceb_>  > watchable let alone good
2017-04-19T02:04:03 < Rob235> meh
2017-04-19T02:04:29 < Laurenceb_> next you will say pirate of the Caribbean was good
2017-04-19T02:04:40 < Rob235> HAHAHA
2017-04-19T02:04:42 < Rob235> no
2017-04-19T02:04:52 < Rob235> I'm not that dumb
2017-04-19T02:05:02 < Rob235> I'm actually pretty smart if you havent realizedd
2017-04-19T02:06:31 < Rob235> I'm tortured, but I'm very smart
2017-04-19T02:07:01 < Rob235> and determined to take advantage of that
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2017-04-19T02:07:25 < Rob235> you ready to help with that Laurenceb_
2017-04-19T02:09:31 < Rob235> Laurenceb_ gonna sink down
2017-04-19T02:09:50 < Rob235> delivery free, but not from me
2017-04-19T02:10:55 < Rob235> who chee min, who shoot a load on my chin?
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2017-04-19T02:12:47 < Rob235> ok im done
2017-04-19T02:13:22 < Rob235> cky is wise though
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2017-04-19T02:15:31 < Rob235> thru and thru
2017-04-19T02:16:08 < Rob235> man I go from cky to billly joel
2017-04-19T02:16:19 < Rob235> suck it uop and know its the shit
2017-04-19T02:19:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=29c_1492410420
2017-04-19T02:19:30 < Laurenceb_> Rob235 tier content
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2017-04-19T02:37:45 < TheSeven> aandrew: I'm wondering how these interfaces (CAN/RS485) would behave electrically in a more-or-less star topology network of crap wire spanning tens of devices within a room
2017-04-19T02:47:33 < jadew> ffs, got trolled for hours by an issue
2017-04-19T02:48:09 < jadew> turned out I forgot to populate a decoupling cap on the PSU because I was feeding it directly from the bench supply
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2017-04-19T03:04:10 < Rob235> umm hi
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2017-04-19T03:15:08 < aandrew> TheSeven: nothing like star topology
2017-04-19T03:22:39 < TheSeven> well it will be multiple chains meeting at some point, i.e. pretty much worst case wiring
2017-04-19T03:22:56 < TheSeven> I hope it'll just be short enough to not care, and I don't need terribly high bit rates
2017-04-19T03:26:01 < aandrew> that helps a lot
2017-04-19T03:26:25 < Ultrasauce> ratsnest topology
2017-04-19T03:26:28 < aandrew> and definitely build in a CRC and a repeat mechanism that eventually fails (so you don't get packet storms)
2017-04-19T03:31:26 < srk> TheSeven: I'm going CAN for "home" automation :D
2017-04-19T03:31:52 < srk> currently trying to finish CAN enabled triac regulator
2017-04-19T03:31:54 < TheSeven> srk: what kind of wiring and bit rate are you using for that?
2017-04-19T03:32:11 < srk> TheSeven: DB9 canopen compatible
2017-04-19T03:32:30 < srk> not sure about wires yet
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2017-04-19T03:35:12 < srk> everything is on 1mbit for now, no need for longer lenghts
2017-04-19T03:35:26 < srk> we might switch that to lower bitrate if needed
2017-04-19T03:36:18 < aandrew> cat5 is cheap and extra pairs make it easy to run power
2017-04-19T03:36:47 < srk> yeah, might switch to ethercat as well :D
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2017-04-19T04:11:27 < jadew> this is interesting: VCC pin of an IC that's doing some pushing and some pulling: http://5.12.152.140/screen/s9Jjr.png
2017-04-19T04:11:48 < jadew> ~2.5mm from it, there's a decoupling cap: http://5.12.152.140/screen/omkij.png
2017-04-19T04:12:31 < jadew> ~6mm from it there's a bunch of other decoupling caps, also specifically for that line: http://5.12.152.140/screen/qbLGl.png
2017-04-19T04:12:47 < TheSeven> I was pondering to use RJ11 or RJ45 as well
2017-04-19T04:13:08 < TheSeven> not sure about supply voltage though... 5V, 12V, 24V?
2017-04-19T04:13:31 < TheSeven> I'll need to run a some kind of high current capable power wiring in parallel anyway
2017-04-19T04:14:32 < TheSeven> jadew: see how you could extract sidechannel information? ;(
2017-04-19T04:14:34 < TheSeven> ;)*
2017-04-19T04:15:55 < jadew> it's my device, I'm trying to improve it :)
2017-04-19T04:16:20 < jadew> it's performance is tightly correlated with how good that VCC line is
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2017-04-19T04:16:39 < jadew> I find it interesting tho that such a short distance can make such a huge difference
2017-04-19T04:16:54 < jadew> and we're only talking about 100 MHz ringing
2017-04-19T04:18:01 < jadew> *its performance
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2017-04-19T04:53:46 < dongs> digital dong
2017-04-19T04:57:08 < emeb_mac> dongs: kinda-sorta got that ntsc video thing working.
2017-04-19T04:57:16 < emeb_mac> looks like ass though
2017-04-19T04:58:47 < dongs> pics or it didnt happen
2017-04-19T04:59:08 < dongs> have you been able to generate full-color dickbutt
2017-04-19T04:59:18 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah. color & everything
2017-04-19T04:59:52 < dongs> what do you need for analog output stage
2017-04-19T05:00:00 < dongs> is it just gpio -> ntsc out
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2017-04-19T05:07:33 < emeb_mac> dongs: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yihlopjj6qza8lp/0418171751.jpg?dl=0
2017-04-19T05:08:19 < dongs> oo, some magic involved
2017-04-19T05:08:21 < dongs> cool
2017-04-19T05:08:30 < dongs> nice arduino there bro
2017-04-19T05:08:36 < emeb_mac> dongs: needs a bunch of resistors to set levels, combine sync, video, etc. and a buffer transistor
2017-04-19T05:08:42 < emeb_mac> pretty simple stuff.
2017-04-19T05:08:59 < emeb_mac> no arduino
2017-04-19T05:09:12 < emeb_mac> f446 nucleo & solderless breadboard.
2017-04-19T05:09:19 < dongs> which is the looks like ass part?
2017-04-19T05:09:22 < dongs> jittery or something?
2017-04-19T05:09:49 < emeb_mac> the color blocks are pretty grainy and it's hard to control
2017-04-19T05:10:35 < emeb_mac> and signal doesn't work on all monitors.
2017-04-19T05:13:25 < emeb_mac> I've got two monitors and the image looks totally different on them and I have to tweak the sync depending on which one I'm using.
2017-04-19T05:13:40 < dongs> hehe, nevar the same color
2017-04-19T05:13:45 < emeb_mac> pretty much
2017-04-19T05:13:57 < dongs> does the signal look ok on scope? or is it weird
2017-04-19T05:14:09 < emeb_mac> yeah - all squarewaves.
2017-04-19T05:14:21 < dongs> your scope doesnt haev NTSC mode rite
2017-04-19T05:14:25 < emeb_mac> 1 bit/pixel of course.
2017-04-19T05:14:38 < emeb_mac> my scope has a TV field sync mode
2017-04-19T05:15:13 < emeb_mac> but no vectorscope if that's what you're asking.
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2017-04-19T06:05:55 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/v2fsxt8xodsy.jpg
2017-04-19T06:10:01 < upgrdman> with lvds, it should be terminated at both ends, correct? not just the receiver, but the sender too.
2017-04-19T06:10:10 < dongs> lvds wat
2017-04-19T06:10:28 < branjb> spent 3 hours today trying to read who_am_i register
2017-04-19T06:10:32 < branjb> forgot to << 1 address
2017-04-19T06:10:33 < branjb> rip
2017-04-19T06:13:19 < upgrdman> dongs, signals going through CAT6 for about 30 meters
2017-04-19T06:13:31 < dongs> thats not lvds then?
2017-04-19T06:13:47 < upgrdman> not doing ethernet, just used comoddity cable
2017-04-19T06:13:58 < upgrdman> using the twisted pairs
2017-04-19T06:25:43 < englishman> i2c claims another victim
2017-04-19T06:27:14 < englishman> very cool emeb_mac
2017-04-19T06:27:33 < englishman> are you really bitbanging colour modulation out of f446
2017-04-19T06:27:36 < englishman> thats awesome
2017-04-19T06:27:39 < upgrdman> lol, wonder if this is real  https://i.imgur.com/1U8tKPyl.jpg
2017-04-19T06:27:42 < emeb_mac> englishman: yeah - it's amazing that it works
2017-04-19T06:28:02 < emeb_mac> englishman: but it doesn't work well across all possible downstream equipment.
2017-04-19T06:29:01 < emeb_mac> englishman: basically yeah - generating 3.579545MHz phases in software and spewing out the SPI port.
2017-04-19T06:29:14 < englishman> cool.
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2017-04-19T07:00:41 < upgrdman> such happy
2017-04-19T07:01:18 < upgrdman> been playing around with some fiber optic shitz.
2017-04-19T07:01:23 < upgrdman> you?
2017-04-19T07:04:30 < upgrdman> watts?
2017-04-19T07:04:39 < upgrdman> pkg?
2017-04-19T07:04:50 < upgrdman> no i mean like 1206?
2017-04-19T07:04:54 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-19T07:05:15 < upgrdman> cool. you gonna mount them on an aluminum pcb?
2017-04-19T07:08:29 < upgrdman> if really cute, prolly not them
2017-04-19T07:09:19 < upgrdman> when you skpye the fabs, can they actually communicate about technical stuff, or is it just like exchanging paint.exe diagrams?
2017-04-19T07:10:10 < upgrdman> cool
2017-04-19T07:10:38 < upgrdman> wonder if those numbers are best guess or actually tested
2017-04-19T07:11:23 < upgrdman> i mean, for a pcb fab doing alum pcbs, you'd think thermal resistance would be a top metric to list
2017-04-19T07:11:47 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-04-19T07:11:55 < upgrdman> ya
2017-04-19T07:12:05 < upgrdman> thin fr4 pcb -> glue to alum sheet.
2017-04-19T07:12:23 < upgrdman> well ya
2017-04-19T07:12:29 < upgrdman> s/fr4/substrate
2017-04-19T07:14:24 < upgrdman> you gonna be like mikeselectricstuff and going pro light designs now?
2017-04-19T07:15:03 < upgrdman> cool. i expect dickbutt on led matrix. get to work.
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2017-04-19T07:25:08 < munki> oh ya
2017-04-19T07:25:10 < munki> badarse game
2017-04-19T07:36:37 < englishman> the men mutter awkwardly and stroke their neckbeards as they contemplate the perfect pickup line
2017-04-19T07:36:57 < emeb_mac> this
2017-04-19T07:37:52 < munki> crt: sounds like the navy
2017-04-19T07:40:09 < upgrdman> R2COM, heh, i bought a couple combos at xmas time. i've only play like 3 of the games i bought
2017-04-19T07:40:21 < upgrdman> im really enjoying ut2004 all over again
2017-04-19T07:40:24 < upgrdman> still my fav game
2017-04-19T07:40:31 < munki> uplink mode
2017-04-19T07:40:33 < munki> my shit
2017-04-19T07:41:03 < upgrdman> ya that battleground games looks like ass
2017-04-19T07:42:35 < upgrdman> R2COM, just kidding bro
2017-04-19T07:42:36 < upgrdman> but
2017-04-19T07:42:40 < upgrdman> its not my style of game
2017-04-19T07:44:24 < upgrdman> well im off to play some ut2004. bbl
2017-04-19T07:57:09 < dongs> games are for fags
2017-04-19T08:06:49 < englishman> i cant wait til R2COM /parts
2017-04-19T08:09:13 < munki> how do u compile stm program and make led blnik pls email me at mahesh@indialectronic.net
2017-04-19T08:09:25 < dongs> please share your codes
2017-04-19T08:09:46 < dongs> keil is the correct answer to everything
2017-04-19T08:10:07 < englishman> it pretty much is the answer to every new user question in this chan
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2017-04-19T08:15:11 < dongs> holy shit
2017-04-19T08:15:14 < dongs> china is done wiht my fpc cable
2017-04-19T08:16:10 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/8eIhG
2017-04-19T08:18:12 < dongs> mostly testing china flexipcb capability
2017-04-19T08:18:19 < dongs> thats 0.1mm trace/space and 0.15mm vias
2017-04-19T08:18:29 < dongs> next I'll make some 0.5mm pitch BGA on flexipcb
2017-04-19T08:24:30 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/854551967367966720
2017-04-19T08:26:39 < ohsix> srk: someone did the hard work to target stm32 with rust
2017-04-19T08:26:50 < ohsix> what do you mean by 'not there'?
2017-04-19T08:41:46 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/danluu/status/854540380427227136
2017-04-19T08:43:04 < ohsix> twitter is good today http://imgur.com/gallery/Cyqqv
2017-04-19T08:49:51 < ohsix> srk: http://japaric.github.io/copper/
2017-04-19T08:52:59 < ohsix> srk: hm that isn't the main thing, might take me a bit to find, it didn't make it into zypsnips or anything
2017-04-19T08:53:15 < ohsix> zyp: speaking of, how do i add things to that, send a pull request?
2017-04-19T08:53:59 < zyp> wat?
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2017-04-19T08:55:47 < ohsix> zyp: zypsnips
2017-04-19T08:56:50 < zyp> ohsix, don't ask me, it's karlp's project
2017-04-19T08:57:26 < upgrdman> anyone know if cpu data caches are per core or shared?
2017-04-19T08:57:52 < ohsix> zyp: k, heheh; why does it have your nick in it
2017-04-19T08:57:53 < upgrdman> e.g. if i have ass loads of threads all reading from the same data, would that thrash the cache?
2017-04-19T08:57:57 < ohsix> upgrdman: l3 is
2017-04-19T08:58:06 < upgrdman> ohsix, l3 is shared?
2017-04-19T08:58:13 < ohsix> you can get a thing to show the cache hierarchy on the cpu you have
2017-04-19T08:58:32 < ohsix> there's l1 and l2 which go with each core, then some other ones that are per package
2017-04-19T08:59:09 < zyp> ohsix, presumably because the first snippets there were shit I posted
2017-04-19T08:59:10 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-19T09:00:03 < ohsix> zyp: werd
2017-04-19T09:01:01 < zyp> upgrdman, depends a bit on the exact cpu AFAIK
2017-04-19T09:01:12 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-19T09:01:21 < zyp> but yeah, there's usually some per-core cache and some shared cache
2017-04-19T09:01:38 < upgrdman> guess i could stop being last and just test this
2017-04-19T09:01:45 < upgrdman> lazy*
2017-04-19T09:06:18 < dongs> zyp, did your list of chianshit include 30pin ffc?
2017-04-19T09:06:26 < dongs> did i already have that in mouser order?
2017-04-19T09:07:22 < zyp> it's listed as AF3E30R in the BOM
2017-04-19T09:07:39 < zyp> which is what the china DS called it
2017-04-19T09:07:40 < dongs> did we already order this at some point tho?
2017-04-19T09:07:48 < zyp> don't think so
2017-04-19T09:08:04 < dongs> i was starting to massage xy data to load it into dicknplace and just noticed this.
2017-04-19T09:08:58 < zyp> how about the M24C32-DFMN? did you get that from china?
2017-04-19T09:09:47 < dongs> yes
2017-04-19T09:10:17 < zyp> okay, but not the ffc? I mentioned P4 in the email when I sent you the list
2017-04-19T09:11:47 < ohsix> zyp: it hasn't change much (at all?) since intel core series stuff started, at least wrt 'level 3'
2017-04-19T09:12:25 < ohsix> hm broadwell is weird
2017-04-19T09:13:18 < ohsix> https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/broadwell#Memory_Hierarchy
2017-04-19T09:13:27 < ohsix> crystalwell might have some shit called l4 on it too, i guess
2017-04-19T09:13:37 < dongs> did i ever mention your bom list fuckign sucks
2017-04-19T09:13:38 < ohsix> oh, it says it on there, lul
2017-04-19T09:13:40 < dongs> "10u"
2017-04-19T09:13:53 < ohsix> upgrdman: anyways, why
2017-04-19T09:14:09 < dongs> (and there are 1210 and 0603 versions of same fucking thing
2017-04-19T09:14:17 < ohsix> intel performance counters have stuff for l1d/l1i/l2/l3 so you can test actual code on shit
2017-04-19T09:14:59 < upgrdman> ohsix, just reading this on a whim and it pop'd into my mind. http://www.multithreadingandvfx.org/course_notes/2015/reinders_threading.pdf
2017-04-19T09:15:32 < ohsix> srk: the 'hard stuff' was xargo and some of the library things, zing is the thing you'd actually use https://zinc.rs/
2017-04-19T09:16:05 < ohsix> upgrdman: ah nice, i clicked on a few things on youtube and it started dumping a bunch of realtime rendering junk on me
2017-04-19T09:16:49 < dongs> autism classes?
2017-04-19T09:16:59 < upgrdman> ya my link
2017-04-19T09:17:03 < dongs> just /join ##stm32
2017-04-19T09:17:07 < dongs> and unignore o6
2017-04-19T09:17:10 < upgrdman> was in siggraph 2013 iirc
2017-04-19T09:17:17 < ohsix> also found out bisqwit has a youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/Bisqwit
2017-04-19T09:17:29 < upgrdman> err 2015 actually, but ya, siggraph
2017-04-19T09:17:54 < ohsix> upgrdman: have you seen two minute papers
2017-04-19T09:18:17 < upgrdman> i kinda wanna go to siggraph but they charge a lot. guessing most patrons are having their employer pay to send them there
2017-04-19T09:18:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, no
2017-04-19T09:18:25 < ohsix> they do
2017-04-19T09:18:27 < dongs> L1,10u,3225,30.25mm,27.25mm,T,270
2017-04-19T09:18:28 < dongs> what
2017-04-19T09:18:29 < dongs> the
2017-04-19T09:18:30 < dongs> fuck
2017-04-19T09:18:31 < dongs> is this?
2017-04-19T09:18:43 < dongs> just noticed its not even a cap
2017-04-19T09:19:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: see if aandrew can get sponsored and go with them :D
2017-04-19T09:19:38 < ohsix> two minute papers, mostly graphics related https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz/videos
2017-04-19T09:20:16 < ohsix> also last night i started poking at 'papers we love'
2017-04-19T09:20:22 < dongs> looks like a wide cap footprint, it probably IS a coil and he means 10uH
2017-04-19T09:22:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: re: 2 minute papers, don't watch them all at once, they're nice to have and randomly watch :p
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2017-04-19T09:23:31 < ohsix> smacking 3d printed piggies!
2017-04-19T09:24:56 < ohsix> upgrdman: anyways i don't read as many papers as i used to, and two minute papers even reads mostly shit i'd be interested in
2017-04-19T09:25:05 < ohsix> stuff was cool in the early gpu years
2017-04-19T09:25:30 < ohsix> now there is infinite memory and people aren't making game engines anymore
2017-04-19T09:26:18 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-19T09:26:27 < ohsix> opencl is worth learning tho
2017-04-19T09:26:35 < ohsix> even if you can only run kernels on a cpu
2017-04-19T09:26:47 < ohsix> there's shit to retarget to fpgas and run on all kind of homogenous computing shits
2017-04-19T09:27:59 < ohsix> http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=2BA22D4C02020FFEB422E588D0B6C989
2017-04-19T09:29:13 < ohsix> nice there's a chapter on physics with opencl
2017-04-19T09:30:48 < ohsix> the gfx/demo youtube channels have gotten me wanting to write raytracers again
2017-04-19T09:30:58 < ohsix> have a decent cpu for it now too
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2017-04-19T09:31:11 < ohsix> but write some naive shit and throw it at a profile, iterate
2017-04-19T09:32:02 < ohsix> there are a bunch of cool papers about how to take advantage of the SPUs in the ps3, they're relevant to the job thing that presentation is talking about
2017-04-19T09:32:26 < ohsix> they can't access anything outside of a 256 word register file and some other thing, so you have to throw the job and the data over the fence and get it back while doing useful work
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2017-04-19T09:33:57 < ohsix> i'd forgotten about cilk
2017-04-19T09:35:40 < ohsix> talking too much, bbl
2017-04-19T09:35:49 < ohsix> post more gfx papers i like those
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2017-04-19T10:47:01 < Steffanx> Bla
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2017-04-19T11:36:15 < dongs> oh wow
2017-04-19T11:36:22 < dongs> just took apart my 4K HDMI signal generator
2017-04-19T11:36:32 < dongs> its powered by STM32F103RC
2017-04-19T11:37:17 < dongs> eevautisming
2017-04-19T11:39:39 < dongs> board looks layout in GEDA
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2017-04-19T12:22:37 < Steffanx> Stvn how are young?
2017-04-19T12:23:14 < Steffanx> Have you seen we have a real pumper in tha crt? See nicklist.
2017-04-19T12:25:29 < Steffanx> Wut?
2017-04-19T12:25:40 < Steffanx> Are you sick?
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2017-04-19T12:30:10 < Steffanx> Lol Rager just quit, now you are the rager, crt
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2017-04-19T12:30:33 < dongs> 30A led?
2017-04-19T12:32:02 < Steffanx> Commie would buy.
2017-04-19T12:39:19 < kakimir> my 1000kg s-beam did arrive
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2017-04-19T12:42:25 < dongs> what
2017-04-19T12:42:30 < dongs> the fuck does this actuall od
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2017-04-19T12:45:37 < Steffanx> Lol my grumpiness detector flashes red. Is it bad crt?
2017-04-19T12:45:56 < emeryth> this is your brain on ham radio
2017-04-19T12:46:13 < dongs> so
2017-04-19T12:46:15 < dongs> does this thing
2017-04-19T12:46:24 < dongs> run say 16.xxV t hrough a 14V zener
2017-04-19T12:46:27 < dongs> dropping 2V as heat
2017-04-19T12:46:38 < dongs> and when tis below 14V, opens relay to remove zener
2017-04-19T12:46:47 < dongs> sounds truly a useful innovation
2017-04-19T12:47:43 < Steffanx> Im going to remember this. A perfect way to get to crt.
2017-04-19T12:47:52 < dongs> what is it
2017-04-19T12:47:54 < dongs> link to hamfag shit?
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2017-04-19T12:48:29 < Steffanx> Noisy much.
2017-04-19T12:48:57 < Steffanx> Dj crap is noisy too.
2017-04-19T12:49:55 < Steffanx> Lol, better sleep crt.
2017-04-19T12:50:13 < Steffanx> Http://time.is/australia
2017-04-19T12:50:34 < dongs> -10 hours from WTC
2017-04-19T12:50:39 < Steffanx> My autism detects some grumpiness
2017-04-19T12:50:47 < Steffanx> Doesnt suite you
2017-04-19T12:50:52 < dongs> he probably got tired of autism
2017-04-19T12:51:53 < Steffanx> Peter who? M(obile)?
2017-04-19T12:52:02 < dongs> the only useful peter in here
2017-04-19T12:52:31 < Steffanx> Crt has another peter too
2017-04-19T12:53:37 < dongs> that sounds like a phillipines mail order bride wife
2017-04-19T12:54:08 < jsoft> I've a nucleo LO73RZ. I dont seem to have a local scripty thing for openocd's -f param. Im on linux mint. Ay suggestions for a quick 'make it go' ?
2017-04-19T12:54:16 < jsoft> I want to code, nto fight a stupid programmer
2017-04-19T12:54:38 < jsoft> :|
2017-04-19T12:54:41 < dongs> jsoft: install windows + keil
2017-04-19T12:54:48 < dongs> you knew that was the answer before you even asked the question
2017-04-19T12:54:55 < dongs> also keil for F0/L0 is legit free
2017-04-19T12:55:14 < jsoft> Ahh huh.
2017-04-19T12:55:16 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/stmicroelectronics-stm32/mdk
2017-04-19T12:55:21 < jsoft> yeah no.
2017-04-19T12:55:26 < dongs> no limit
2017-04-19T12:55:30 < jsoft> I will consider it later.
2017-04-19T12:55:31 < jsoft> Not now
2017-04-19T12:55:32 < dongs> even for commercial use
2017-04-19T12:55:35 < jsoft> Not for this project
2017-04-19T12:55:45 < dongs> just sharing the news
2017-04-19T12:55:48 < jsoft> Thanks
2017-04-19T12:55:53 < jsoft> Is that a recent thing then?
2017-04-19T12:56:00 < jsoft> I thought it had been free for ages
2017-04-19T12:56:00 < dongs> about half a year old i believe
2017-04-19T12:56:10 < dongs> its been free for 32
2017-04-19T12:56:17 < dongs> teh f0/l0 partnership thing is.. not that old
2017-04-19T12:56:26 < jsoft> Hmm ok
2017-04-19T12:57:30 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/sales_and_marketing/presentation/product_presentation/group0/d0/d6/68/3a/56/80/47/d8/SMPRES_STM32F0-L0_Discover-Webinar_A.pdf/files/SMPRES_STM32F0-L0_Discover-Webinar_A.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.SMPRES_STM32F0-L0_Discover-Webinar_A.pdf
2017-04-19T12:57:57 < dongs> haha page 5
2017-04-19T12:58:05 < dongs> competitors 'A', 'F', 'R'
2017-04-19T12:58:11 < dongs> atmel, freescale, renesucks?
2017-04-19T12:58:30 < dongs> who else is R
2017-04-19T13:00:18 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/renesas-electronics-america/R7FS124773A01CFL-AA0/R7FS124773A01CFL-AA0-ND/5822323
2017-04-19T13:00:27 < dongs> Renesucks has like 3 cortrex m0 models
2017-04-19T13:00:32 < dongs> and yeah, thats the, 105C temp
2017-04-19T13:01:23 < emeryth> jsoft: what do you mean you don't have scripts? have you looked in /usr/share/openocd/scripts?
2017-04-19T13:01:30 < dongs> like why the fuck would someone spend $6 on that
2017-04-19T13:01:34 < dongs> vs $0.30 on stm32F0
2017-04-19T13:01:52 < dongs> unless they were jap
2017-04-19T13:03:24 < zyp> was about to say, renesas fanboys
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2017-04-19T13:04:11 < dongs> or maybe emeb_mac
2017-04-19T13:04:27 < emeb_mac> probably not
2017-04-19T13:05:05 < dongs> loves the cock
2017-04-19T13:05:10 < jsoft> emeryth, yeah I have scritps, but not for the specific board I am dicking with.
2017-04-19T13:05:25 < dongs> why woudl you ened scripts for "specific board"
2017-04-19T13:05:28 < jsoft> emeryth, so now I have to dick around making all that crap work.
2017-04-19T13:05:36 < jsoft> im using an nucleo board.
2017-04-19T13:05:43 < jsoft> it has the chip I want on it.
2017-04-19T13:06:01 < zyp> openocd doesn't really need any board specific config
2017-04-19T13:06:03 < emeryth> you just need the stlink script and l0 script?
2017-04-19T13:06:11 < zyp> what emeryth said
2017-04-19T13:06:26 < zyp> it only needs to be configured for the debugger adapter and the target
2017-04-19T13:07:09 < jsoft> Yeah I am rusty on openocd
2017-04-19T13:07:30 < jsoft> Im still groking how it all works again
2017-04-19T13:07:36 < dongs> depending how old/shitty your openocd is, you mighjt need to edit some USB ID for stdick v2/v1 thing
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2017-04-19T13:10:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIXj9llcJlE music times
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2017-04-19T13:13:26 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Lh9pTWY5s another - same artist
2017-04-19T13:20:54 < kakimir> how is crt?
2017-04-19T13:22:21 < Steffanx> Crt is angry
2017-04-19T13:22:26 < Steffanx> Grumpycat
2017-04-19T13:23:02 < Steffanx> Like this orange cat
2017-04-19T13:25:16 < Steffanx> Crazy Raging Trumpist
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2017-04-19T13:34:08 < karlp> coolest repair tech
2017-04-19T13:35:11 < Steffanx> Also craziest.
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2017-04-19T14:04:50 < jsoft> st-flash to the rescue! :D
2017-04-19T14:05:03 < jsoft> Now I can carry on coding instead of trying to get openocd to behave.
2017-04-19T14:05:31 < dongs> arduino debugging ftw
2017-04-19T14:06:15 < emeryth> blink that LED baby
2017-04-19T14:06:24 < fest> print that f
2017-04-19T14:07:04 < jsoft> ooooooh yeah
2017-04-19T14:07:24 < jsoft> Nah seriously, I cannot be arsed right now. I am drunken, and just want to write some boilerplate.
2017-04-19T14:08:01 < kakimir> it's not friday yet jsoft
2017-04-19T14:08:02 < jsoft> And be memorized by my rather advanced debug led.
2017-04-19T14:08:27 < jsoft> kakimir, exactly, so being drunken helps teleport to friday, where I can also get drunken
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2017-04-19T14:10:51 < kakimir> you have everything figured out
2017-04-19T14:11:34 < jsoft> :)
2017-04-19T14:12:45 < jsoft> Bought a nice yagi from an auction which arrived today, a 15dbi one, 1.06 SWR @ 868Mhz, yay :)
2017-04-19T14:16:39 < karlp> jsoft: openocd -f interface/stlink-v2[-1].cfg -f target/stm32l0.cfg
2017-04-19T14:20:33 < jsoft> karlp, I tried a variant of that, but I will try that exact thing
2017-04-19T14:20:44 < karlp> a variant?
2017-04-19T14:20:53 < karlp> I mean, how is your l0 connected? via what hardware?
2017-04-19T14:21:05 < karlp> "-f board/stm32l0discovery.cfg" probably works for just about anything too
2017-04-19T14:21:50 < karlp> (it basically just assumes a stlink-v2-1)
2017-04-19T14:22:10 < karlp> next version will be just "-f interface/stlink.cfg" with all the versions merged into one.
2017-04-19T14:24:07 < jsoft> As in this is my makefile run cmd: openocd -f interface/stlink-v2.cfg -f target/stm32l0.cfg -c "init; reset halt; flash write_image erase $(RESULT).bin 0x08000000; reset run; shutdown"
2017-04-19T14:24:37 < jsoft> karlp, via a nucleo board
2017-04-19T14:25:10 < PaulFertser> Newer l0s have less SRAM than the first parts. What exactly is this part?
2017-04-19T14:25:54 < PaulFertser> There's another subtle issue with l011/l021 that run rom bootloader by default.
2017-04-19T14:30:25 < dongs> https://twitter.com/amaniaiex/status/854442308015714304 lol
2017-04-19T14:35:43 < jsoft> PaulFertser, sorry, what are you getting at?
2017-04-19T14:36:43 < PaulFertser> jsoft: I wonder what part do you have issues with as I probably know the answer
2017-04-19T14:37:28 < jsoft> Ok so chip is an L073RZ, and the board is a stm32 nucleo.
2017-04-19T14:38:15 < PaulFertser> Then should be working out of the box, unless your firmware disables swd pins or puts the target to sleep.
2017-04-19T14:38:24 < jsoft> *shrug*
2017-04-19T14:38:33 < jsoft> st-flash works sweet.
2017-04-19T14:38:41 < PaulFertser> Ok, have fun with it then.
2017-04-19T14:38:47 < jsoft> The above openocd command does not
2017-04-19T14:38:59 < jsoft> pretty much goes: Error: open failed
2017-04-19T14:39:26 < PaulFertser> Open failed because you have stlink-v2-1 but use stlink-v2 config.
2017-04-19T14:39:27 < jsoft> PaulFertser, I was not trying to be a dick, I am just saying I don't know
2017-04-19T14:39:54 < jsoft> Now it is: Warn : Cannot identify target as a STM32L family.
2017-04-19T14:39:54 < jsoft> Error: auto_probe failed
2017-04-19T14:40:00 < PaulFertser> What OpenOCDversion?
2017-04-19T14:40:07 < jsoft> hmm, wait one
2017-04-19T14:40:19 < jsoft> 0.9.0
2017-04-19T14:40:33 < jsoft> Thats old
2017-04-19T14:40:34 < PaulFertser> 0.10.0 was released some months ago.
2017-04-19T14:41:35 < jsoft> Hmm
2017-04-19T14:41:55 < jsoft> Operation latest version is scheduled
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2017-04-19T14:42:24 < PaulFertser> What distro?
2017-04-19T14:42:44 < PaulFertser> The L0 support was added post 0.9.0 indeed.
2017-04-19T14:43:07 < dongs> and gentlemen, here's the problem we have with lunix.
2017-04-19T14:43:17 < jsoft> PaulFertser, im using linux mint
2017-04-19T14:43:22 < jsoft> erm, version something something
2017-04-19T14:43:52 < PaulFertser> jsoft: I'm afraid mint is using ubuntu's repositories and they use Debian's and somehow our Debian maintainer gone MIA.
2017-04-19T14:44:05 < dongs> blame-shifting
2017-04-19T14:44:21 < jsoft> Excellent
2017-04-19T14:44:42 < dongs> jsoft: if you upgrade to LINUX FOR NIGGERS(tm) I will personally compile you a fresh build of openocd
2017-04-19T14:44:46 < dongs> blessed by PaulFertser himself
2017-04-19T14:45:32 < jsoft> Sorry I dont get the joke
2017-04-19T14:45:51 < dongs> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Linux_for_Niggers
2017-04-19T14:46:19 < dongs> okay so how teh fuck does spi slave work
2017-04-19T14:46:36 < dongs> if I set hardware nss or wahtever, does it just fire off RXNE/TXNE interrupts if there's stuff to send/receive?
2017-04-19T14:46:38 < jsoft> Yeah ok dongs
2017-04-19T14:46:49 < PaulFertser> jsoft: self-compiling should be trivial though. Or you can get newer binary from that "gnu arm eclipse" release.
2017-04-19T14:47:12 < jsoft> PaulFertser, so you think that might be the guts of it then? The cause?
2017-04-19T14:47:23 < dongs> if youre on 0.9, yes
2017-04-19T14:47:37 < PaulFertser> jsoft: the support for flashing L0 was added in v0.9.0-234-ga85d521
2017-04-19T14:47:43 < jsoft> Ahh right
2017-04-19T14:47:56 < jsoft> Damn, I thought L0 was ancient
2017-04-19T14:48:12 < dongs> it is.
2017-04-19T14:48:38 < jsoft> It seems pretty capable for my humble needs
2017-04-19T14:49:11 < jsoft> Im coming from an 8 bit pic world
2017-04-19T14:49:30 < PaulFertser> 0.9.0 was released in May 2015, so ancient too.
2017-04-19T14:50:04 < jsoft> I think I am getting ancient, I have to keep reminding myself that 2000 is almost 20 years ago
2017-04-19T14:50:57 < PaulFertser> TFW, heh
2017-04-19T14:51:17 < jsoft> :)
2017-04-19T14:52:19 < dongs> eh
2017-04-19T14:52:33 < dongs> can i still attach EXTI to a SPI nss pin thats mapped as AF?
2017-04-19T14:53:51 < jpa-> probably yes
2017-04-19T14:53:56 < dongs> will it work?
2017-04-19T14:54:29 < jpa-> i've never done it, but it seems like it should
2017-04-19T14:54:39 < dongs> ill find out.
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2017-04-19T14:59:26 < Laurenceb_> lul best Korea was rused
2017-04-19T14:59:38 < Laurenceb_> this is why I never released shiptrax
2017-04-19T15:10:05 < kakimir> what is best korea dones?
2017-04-19T15:10:21 < Laurenceb_> shiptrax = script for converting open access weather sat data to ship paths
2017-04-19T15:10:35 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/wN8NYs3
2017-04-19T15:12:12 < karlp> you thought of it, but someone else implemented it and released it?
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2017-04-19T15:12:58 < Laurenceb_> it was something I worked on at uni, idea was to monitor sanity of declared CO2 emissions from ships
2017-04-19T15:13:24 < Laurenceb_> but we decided not to realise it due to the potential for epin dramaz like in this best korea situation
2017-04-19T15:18:04 < dongs> im always confused (without testing on hw) whats the set/reset bit thing in BSRR
2017-04-19T15:18:09 < dongs> set bit = makes it 1?
2017-04-19T15:18:10 < dongs> or zer0
2017-04-19T15:18:51 < sync_> wut Laurenceb_
2017-04-19T15:19:26 < zyp> set = 1, reset = 0
2017-04-19T15:19:36 < dongs> ok
2017-04-19T15:19:43 < dongs> where is this writtne? or is it just "obvious"
2017-04-19T15:19:48 < Laurenceb_> Sync_: ships leave long wakes, you can track them easily from weather sat photos
2017-04-19T15:20:02 < dongs> stay wake
2017-04-19T15:20:07 < Laurenceb_> then grab the right photos and join everything together
2017-04-19T15:20:19 < karlp> what's the best korea situation? your imgur link was.... not it.
2017-04-19T15:20:20 < Laurenceb_> export a track as kml / whatever for each ship
2017-04-19T15:20:37 < karlp> you can get sanity of emissions at best though right,
2017-04-19T15:20:46 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39638012
2017-04-19T15:21:02 < karlp> you don't have any way of identifying the ships without long term data, and without that you don't know anything abotu their engines.
2017-04-19T15:21:16 < karlp> I presume it's to track ships that don't register?
2017-04-19T15:21:20 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-04-19T15:21:23 < zyp> dongs, RM seems to assume it's obvious, it's just using the wording set/reset in the register definition
2017-04-19T15:21:37 < dongs> right, i asked after lookuing at that page.
2017-04-19T15:21:43 < karlp> what % of shipping traffic isn't on marinetraffic.com?
2017-04-19T15:21:45 < zyp> maybe it's more obvious if you think of it as set/clear instead
2017-04-19T15:21:58 < Laurenceb_> karlp: its unclear
2017-04-19T15:22:07 < Laurenceb_> that was part of the point for the project
2017-04-19T15:22:16 < jpa-> dongs: i'd say the set/reset in BSRR means the thing that the lowest 16 bits set (=1) the pin, highest 16 bits reset (=0) the pin
2017-04-19T15:22:33 < jpa-> i guess zyp said the same
2017-04-19T15:22:36 < dongs> er, no, i'm not even talkin about that
2017-04-19T15:22:40 < dongs> i know its split in half
2017-04-19T15:22:50 < jpa-> ah you're just confused that set means =1?
2017-04-19T15:22:52 < dongs> yes
2017-04-19T15:22:58 < jpa-> ok, too obvious :)
2017-04-19T15:23:12 < dongs> i dunno man with so much 'active low" tpye shit you never know
2017-04-19T15:23:18 < zyp> well
2017-04-19T15:23:18 < jpa-> true
2017-04-19T15:23:22 < zyp> think about SR latches
2017-04-19T15:23:44 < zyp> ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_(electronics)#Simple_set-reset_latches
2017-04-19T15:23:53 < zyp> that's basic electronics using the set/reset terms
2017-04-19T15:24:15 < dongs> mothercckersdlfkjlfksjdlfkjsdfl
2017-04-19T15:24:22 < dongs> chrome jsut crashed again dragging it across monitors
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2017-04-19T15:25:13 < Laurenceb_> lul chrome
2017-04-19T15:25:22 < Laurenceb_> we need a browser that doesnt suck
2017-04-19T15:25:33 < zyp> better switch to edge
2017-04-19T15:25:34 < dongs> edge cretin edition update was supposed to be that
2017-04-19T15:25:41 < Laurenceb_> I might try
2017-04-19T15:25:42 < dongs> but my microsoft contact lied to me
2017-04-19T15:25:53 < dongs> he said they were adding keyboard hotkeys to all menus/right click menus
2017-04-19T15:25:58 < dongs> shit is out and I see none of that
2017-04-19T15:26:11 < dongs> having to do more than one click to select  something in edge context menu = fuck off
2017-04-19T15:26:42 < zyp> heh
2017-04-19T15:27:21 < dongs> another big fail is its impossible to win-r-edge to start it
2017-04-19T15:27:57 < dongs> cant unlearn win-r-chrome / iexplore thing to start the otehr 2
2017-04-19T15:28:02 < zyp> win-edge works though
2017-04-19T15:28:06 < zyp> (just tried)
2017-04-19T15:28:10 < dongs> too much work tho
2017-04-19T15:28:16 < dongs> different ui
2017-04-19T15:28:47 < zyp> don't think I've ever done win-r-chrome
2017-04-19T15:28:59 < dongs> how the fuck do you start it?
2017-04-19T15:29:14 < zyp> idk, I rarely stop it
2017-04-19T15:29:25 < dongs> ? yeah, me neither
2017-04-19T15:29:25 < zyp> win-2 on a windows computer, I guess
2017-04-19T15:29:46 < zyp> or seems to be win-1 on this one, I thought I used to have windows explorer on 1
2017-04-19T15:29:47 < dongs> that... just cycles its open windows
2017-04-19T15:29:50 < dongs> in a retarded way
2017-04-19T15:29:58 < zyp> win-shift-2 if you need another one
2017-04-19T15:30:05 < dongs> win-r-chrome brings up a new window, in front of where i need it
2017-04-19T15:30:25 < dongs> try pressing win-shift-2 and see how fucking inconvenient it is
2017-04-19T15:31:08 < zyp> idk, works for me
2017-04-19T15:33:32 < dongs> https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/axVPBD2_460sv.mp4
2017-04-19T15:33:33 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-04-19T15:33:44 < dongs> this sounds ilke something Laurenceb_ would make:r
2017-04-19T15:35:04 < Laurenceb_> doesnt play 4 me
2017-04-19T15:36:43 < sync_> Laurenceb_: sounds like a fun project
2017-04-19T15:39:16 < Laurenceb_> it was fun until our supervisor freaked out :P
2017-04-19T15:40:18 < Laurenceb_> probably perfect for tracking that carrier group tho, I imagine the wake would be quite distinctive
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2017-04-19T16:32:03 < Steffanx> Hm never new about win+2.. it already love it.
2017-04-19T16:32:32 < Steffanx> Knew*
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2017-04-19T16:34:56 < zyp> wat
2017-04-19T16:35:11 < zyp> that and the win+arrow keys were the big new things in win7
2017-04-19T16:35:46 < zyp> by the way, is there a way to get win+arrow keys to stop acting retarded in win10?
2017-04-19T16:35:54 < Steffanx> I went osx in 2010
2017-04-19T16:36:11 < Steffanx> Define retarded
2017-04-19T16:36:11 < zyp> I went osx in 2008, still got the memo
2017-04-19T16:41:07 < karlp> what does win+2 do?
2017-04-19T16:42:57 < dongs> < zyp> that and the win+arrow keys were the big new things in win7
2017-04-19T16:43:09 < dongs> thats disabled if you turn off annoying window zooming
2017-04-19T16:43:21 < dongs> i never knew it existed cuz thats first thing i turn off
2017-04-19T16:43:39 < dongs> "[x] let windows randomly rearrange my windows while im trying to position them on my screen"
2017-04-19T16:43:44 < dongs> no thanks, cunts
2017-04-19T16:44:16 < Ultrasauce> if only there were some platform that allowed you to have a fully customizable and configurable window manager
2017-04-19T16:44:41 < dongs> kinda like windows?
2017-04-19T16:44:55 < zyp> dongs, where's the option for that?
2017-04-19T16:45:29 < dongs> zyp, easy of acess center -> make the mouse easier to use
2017-04-19T16:45:40 < dongs> [x] prevent windows from being automatically arranged when moved to the edge of screen"
2017-04-19T16:45:58 < dongs> disables all that dumb shit like half-screen maximize, shake to show desktop, and apparently win+arrows
2017-04-19T16:46:08 < PaulFertser> dongs: is the window zooming that feature that allows you to kinda tile the windows by dragging them to the sides and they auto-fill half the screen space?
2017-04-19T16:46:15 < dongs> PaulFertser: yes
2017-04-19T16:46:23 < dongs> if i wanted a mac, i'd buy one in 2008
2017-04-19T16:46:32 < dongs> i use windows so ican decide how big my WINDOWS are going to be
2017-04-19T16:46:51 < PaulFertser> Haha, that's one of the few features I found to be an improvement in windows UI.
2017-04-19T16:46:56 < zyp> dongs, wait, you're suggesting to disable the entire win+arrow feature?
2017-04-19T16:47:15 < dongs> zyp, im saying that this is the pref that kills those keys (among other shit), which is why I never knew it existed
2017-04-19T16:47:21 < dongs> despite using windows 7 since it first came out
2017-04-19T16:47:29 < zyp> oh, I don't wanna turn it off
2017-04-19T16:47:33 < dongs> i know
2017-04-19T16:47:35 < zyp> I just want it to stop acting retarded
2017-04-19T16:47:37 < dongs> but you asked.
2017-04-19T16:47:42 < dongs> ?
2017-04-19T16:47:51 < dongs> retarded = arranging windows without my consent
2017-04-19T16:48:09 < dongs> so thats just retarded, full stop, and must be disabled
2017-04-19T16:48:14 < zyp> oh, when I'm pressing win+arrow, that's intentionally
2017-04-19T16:48:22 < dongs> when im dragging a window across 3 of my 4K monitors, I know precisely where i want it
2017-04-19T16:48:25 < PaulFertser> https://github.com/fuhsjr00/bug.n customise all you want ;)
2017-04-19T16:48:26 < zyp> and in win7 that worked perfectly
2017-04-19T16:48:51 < zyp> in win10, this shit pops up a bunch of other shit after positioning the one window I want to move where I want it
2017-04-19T16:48:55 < dongs> bug.n is a tiling window manager add-on for the Explorer shell of Microsoft Windows. It is written in the scripting language AutoHotkey.
2017-04-19T16:48:58 < dongs> page closed
2017-04-19T16:49:02 < dongs> after 'autohotkey'
2017-04-19T16:50:12 < PaulFertser> I think you're missing quite some fun doing it that way, I didn't mean it as informational for you, rather recreational.
2017-04-19T16:50:51 < zyp> dongs, ah, what you hate is the drag to edge shit?
2017-04-19T16:51:00 < dongs> yes
2017-04-19T16:51:05 < dongs> and shake to show desktop
2017-04-19T16:51:09 < dongs> and i think it adds some more trash on win10
2017-04-19T16:51:23 < zyp> win10 doesn't seem to snap to edges unless I pause at one
2017-04-19T16:51:52 < zyp> and I don't tend to shake windows, so that other thing haven't come up
2017-04-19T16:52:23 < dongs> shaking is super easyt to trigger
2017-04-19T16:52:45 < dongs> considering the result = fucked desktop with all open windows z-order lost, thats a def. no feature.
2017-04-19T16:52:58 < zyp> idk, haven't happened to me yet
2017-04-19T16:53:23 < dongs> open ~30-50 windows of stuff, use it for a while to have z-order properly set, then try shaking a random window
2017-04-19T16:53:26 < zyp> whatever, time to go home from work, I'll dick around more with this windows shit tomorrow
2017-04-19T16:53:26 < dongs> see how much you'll rage.
2017-04-19T16:53:37 < zyp> haha, I can imagine
2017-04-19T16:54:54 < PaulFertser> dongs: why do you need zorder and not just multiple desktops with non-overlapping windows?
2017-04-19T16:55:11 < dongs> PaulFertser: i donno i have 3 4k screens, i have plenty of desktop space.
2017-04-19T16:55:20 < dongs> i want my windows to be left where tehy are
2017-04-19T16:55:22 < dongs> until i move htem
2017-04-19T16:55:28 < PaulFertser> So why use overlapping windows, when does it make sense?
2017-04-19T16:55:30 < dongs> there's no "why" its just the way it is
2017-04-19T16:55:40 < dongs> i put something on my desk, i expect it to stay there
2017-04-19T16:55:46 < dongs> until I neded it again
2017-04-19T16:57:34 < PaulFertser> Non-tiling window management seems really counter-productive to me but heh. I do not know many people who tried using tiling for long enough and then decided non-tiling was better.
2017-04-19T16:58:52 < sync_> PaulFertser: I did
2017-04-19T16:59:26 < sync_> I used i3 and wmii for 4 years
2017-04-19T16:59:34 < sync_> and then got rid of it
2017-04-19T17:00:03 < PaulFertser> sync_: what are you using now?
2017-04-19T17:00:19 < sync_> xfce
2017-04-19T17:01:25 < dongs> isnt that just like win98 ui clone
2017-04-19T17:01:31 < PaulFertser> And was that due to window management or rather integration/configuration/panels etc considerations?
2017-04-19T17:02:16 < sync_> idk
2017-04-19T17:02:18 < sync_> it felt wrong to me
2017-04-19T17:02:25 < sync_> just had to change it up
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2017-04-19T17:09:29 < dongs> hm how the fuck
2017-04-19T17:09:42 < dongs> if I need to pass device struct to handlers in irq
2017-04-19T17:09:47 < dongs> how hte fuck do i do that
2017-04-19T17:10:05 < dongs> without keeping a global / static copy
2017-04-19T17:10:07 < karlp> globals j0
2017-04-19T17:10:36 < karlp> sam way you pass anything to an irq :)
2017-04-19T17:10:57 < dongs> but then it looks retarded
2017-04-19T17:11:13 < dongs> all my code calls stuff(dev, blah) to do stuff but when same dev is used from IRQ i have to use a local cached copy
2017-04-19T17:12:30 < dongs> now i also have to check if that local copy is null becase irq can happen bfeoer its initizlied
2017-04-19T17:12:33 < dongs> fuck
2017-04-19T17:12:47 < dongs> so thats extra if () that has to run everytime just because stupid
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2017-04-19T17:14:20 < karlp> just as well you're using keil amirite?
2017-04-19T17:14:25 < karlp> makes all this stuff easy?
2017-04-19T17:14:46 < dongs> why would that matter with keil or not? :d
2017-04-19T17:14:51 < dongs> are you trying to troll?
2017-04-19T17:14:58 < karlp> never ;)
2017-04-19T17:17:08 < aandrew> dongs: void* man
2017-04-19T17:17:25 < dongs> void * to what
2017-04-19T17:17:34 < dongs> i still dont have a pointer to device struct inside IRQ
2017-04-19T17:17:37 < aandrew> well what are you trying to do exactly
2017-04-19T17:17:40 < dongs> that.
2017-04-19T17:17:54 < dongs> irq calls a function that fucks with device
2017-04-19T17:18:04 < dongs> all the rest of hte api does fuckwith(dev, blah)
2017-04-19T17:18:05 < aandrew> for example, I have a bunch of IRQ handlers for UARTs but only one UART function to handle it
2017-04-19T17:18:23 < aandrew> each IRQ handler will call generic_uart_irq(&huart)
2017-04-19T17:18:26 < dongs> yes, beacuse you have static uart structs
2017-04-19T17:18:27 < dongs> yes
2017-04-19T17:18:32 < dongs> huart is y our static/global shit
2017-04-19T17:18:32 < aandrew> where of course each IRQ handler has its own uart struct
2017-04-19T17:18:45 < aandrew> so UART1 will use &huart1, UART3 &huart3 etc
2017-04-19T17:18:50 < dongs> yeah.
2017-04-19T17:18:58 < aandrew> and yes it has to be a static or global var, unfortunately
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2017-04-19T17:19:12 < karlp> 14:10 < karlp> globals j0
2017-04-19T17:19:13 < aandrew> but it's not *terrible* because the uarts themselves can be thought of globasls
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2017-04-19T17:19:21 < aandrew> karlp: yeah but you don't count. :-)
2017-04-19T17:19:28 < karlp> bah humbug
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2017-04-19T17:27:48 < dongs> ok rewrote it a bit to keep static structs in tehdriver and return a pointer to them from devInit() instead of keeping static in main() and passing it to driver to init.
2017-04-19T17:28:02 < dongs> that looks slightly cleaner and the IRQ stuff doesnt look as hacky
2017-04-19T17:32:08 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/jVfZJFNYF0s
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2017-04-19T17:38:52 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/ATPcks6
2017-04-19T17:38:57 < dongs> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
2017-04-19T17:39:06 < dongs> freecancer made it fucking impossible to trollbid
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2017-04-19T17:39:15 < dongs> like 5 questions to answer with retarded per-character limits lol
2017-04-19T17:39:20 < dongs> err per-message
2017-04-19T17:40:32 < Laurenceb> moar liek a bid to rid the site of full retards
2017-04-19T17:40:43 < Laurenceb> 1) how babby formed
2017-04-19T17:40:54 < Laurenceb> 2) is hyperloop sane
2017-04-19T17:40:59 < Laurenceb> 3) is emdrive real
2017-04-19T17:41:12 < Laurenceb> 4) was zano a sane business plan
2017-04-19T17:41:28 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/battery-powered-device-circuit-design/ hah a@ budget
2017-04-19T17:41:32 < Laurenceb> 5) what is 1+1
2017-04-19T17:42:00 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-04-19T17:42:14 < Laurenceb> in the time it took to write those specs they could have designed it
2017-04-19T17:42:18 < dongs> also lol @ 1.7A charging of 250mAh batt
2017-04-19T17:42:26 < dongs> thats like 5C or someshit
2017-04-19T17:42:35 < dongs> good luck finding a cheap chinabatt that wont explode from that
2017-04-19T17:42:53 < dongs> o wait its some 18650 trash
2017-04-19T17:43:05 < dongs> wahtever fuckign aids
2017-04-19T17:43:08 < dongs> i bet its something vape related
2017-04-19T17:43:28 < dongs> he load, the GPIO (+some transistor) needs to switch is ~600 mA at 3V to 3.7V
2017-04-19T17:43:33 < dongs> does tht sound like a vapist coil
2017-04-19T17:44:15 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Upload-some-firmware-onto-PCB/ Laurenceb beep
2017-04-19T17:44:29 < Laurenceb> Londonistan
2017-04-19T17:44:34 < Laurenceb> why would i live there
2017-04-19T17:44:50 < Laurenceb>  > written for us in Russia
2017-04-19T17:44:57 < Laurenceb> did they haxor the election?
2017-04-19T17:44:58 < dongs> haha its a NRF52 thing
2017-04-19T17:45:05 < dongs> the .pdf just says ;'use jlink'
2017-04-19T17:45:18 < Laurenceb> Stratford in East London
2017-04-19T17:45:26 < Laurenceb> lul hipster losers confirmed
2017-04-19T17:45:45 < Laurenceb>  > once the Russians have finished writing the firmware, we will send you all of the PCBs
2017-04-19T17:45:47 < Laurenceb> my sides
2017-04-19T17:45:51 < dongs> lmao
2017-04-19T17:45:57 < dongs> this sounds like a dickstarter in the failing
2017-04-19T17:46:08 < dongs> 'we outsourced evrythign, and cant' even connect like 3 wires togeher'
2017-04-19T17:46:08 < Laurenceb> the what could possibly go wrong project
2017-04-19T17:46:43 < Laurenceb> The person has to be located in London or close nearby so that we can get the PCBs to you easily
2017-04-19T17:46:47 < Laurenceb> what is mail
2017-04-19T17:46:56 < Laurenceb> how parcel formed
2017-04-19T17:47:07 < dongs> laugh
2017-04-19T17:47:47 < Laurenceb>  The equipment is definitely correct as the Russians have managed to get it on OK at their end
2017-04-19T17:47:50 < Laurenceb> cool story bro
2017-04-19T17:47:52 < dongs> haha
2017-04-19T17:51:06 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/DrSamWass.html this is the employer
2017-04-19T17:51:28 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf/issues/164
2017-04-19T17:51:52 < Laurenceb> nice family photo
2017-04-19T17:52:03 < Laurenceb> I see a big black bull ready to cuck him
2017-04-19T17:52:41 < Laurenceb>  > The ADC has a non-linear response, and we are working on producing characterisation data which will be added to esp-idf to produce a linear output.
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2017-04-19T17:52:54 < Laurenceb> ESP confirmed still to suck adc wise
2017-04-19T17:54:17 < Steffanx> Laurenceb im sure you can find something to whine about for every controller
2017-04-19T17:54:19 < jaakkos> ESP8266 ADC's coefficient changes depending on if WiFi is enabled or disabled :L
2017-04-19T17:54:30 < Laurenceb> what jaakkos said
2017-04-19T17:54:44 < Laurenceb> ESP analogue is sucky
2017-04-19T17:54:58 < Laurenceb> probably because they are using TSMC
2017-04-19T17:55:16 < Laurenceb> the process is not designed for analogue
2017-04-19T17:56:00 < Steffanx> How bad is it anyway?
2017-04-19T17:57:22 < dongs> jesus fuck, retard jap company finally made emails for each employee in the department
2017-04-19T17:57:43 < dongs> so instead of emailing catchall@fuckyou.co.jp and the dude who is actually in charge of my shit never seeing it, it will finally work (hopefully)
2017-04-19T17:58:18 < Steffanx> Use a phone?
2017-04-19T17:58:25 < dongs> ha ha
2017-04-19T17:58:39 < karlp> shoulda senta fax
2017-04-19T17:58:50 < Steffanx> Or that indeed
2017-04-19T18:00:26 < Steffanx> Do you ever rage to your clients like you do on irc dongs?
2017-04-19T18:01:00 < dongs> yeah I just wrote them a huge long ragemail
2017-04-19T18:01:09 < dongs> i emailed them some work to do 5 days ago
2017-04-19T18:01:15 < dongs> 3 days ago i called asking "what is the status"
2017-04-19T18:01:31 < dongs> 4 days ago I called again asking waht is the sstatus, got a response finally that"  there are some questions, we will email"
2017-04-19T18:01:56 < dongs> email did not arrive yesterday of course, so taht amkes it 5 days now
2017-04-19T18:02:01 < dongs> i received it today at like 9pm
2017-04-19T18:02:16 < sync_> nice
2017-04-19T18:02:17 < dongs> outlining a bunch of non-issues and telling me they'er not even anywhere near ready to start the work
2017-04-19T18:02:39 < dongs> so I just wrote them a giant blog post telling them that they're all retarded cunts and that my next project I'm taking to china
2017-04-19T18:03:20 < sync_> sounds like typical japanese way of bsnz
2017-04-19T18:03:28 < dongs> 5 days ago: can you do XYZ on this thing? "yes, yes, pelase send data, will quote".
2017-04-19T18:03:42 < dongs> today: oh sorry, there's an ABC and because of that we can't do XYZ. so sorry."
2017-04-19T18:04:13 < dongs> (ABC has been there since day1, so theyt didn't actualyl need any "data" to tell me it wasnt going to be possible
2017-04-19T18:04:42 < dongs> at least now I can rage directly to that fucktards email
2017-04-19T18:04:56 < dongs> instead of cc:'ing it into probably 100 people deparment
2017-04-19T18:05:18 < dongs> 100 people sitting with their thumbs up thier ass apparently, as a simple request takes 5 days ot process
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2017-04-19T18:07:52 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/would-like-hire-Electronics-Engineer-13765181/ job for crt
2017-04-19T18:08:13 < dongs> at least has some attempt at a budget
2017-04-19T18:08:34 < dongs> tho he better not mean "passed CE/EMC" at that amounts.
2017-04-19T18:09:06 < Laurenceb> hehe sounds like one of our work projects
2017-04-19T18:09:09 < sync_> yeah
2017-04-19T18:09:21 < Laurenceb> passively cooled 800W LED lighting system for "greenhouses"
2017-04-19T18:09:38 < Laurenceb> was physically impossible :P
2017-04-19T18:09:40 < sync_> ~1.5 weeks for a smps design is probably ok
2017-04-19T18:12:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/write-firmware-for-STM-MPU/ oh look
2017-04-19T18:12:27 < dongs> some chink too lazy to open shithub to one of trollenceB projects
2017-04-19T18:12:45 < Laurenceb> there is source code
2017-04-19T18:12:56 < Laurenceb> well if there is, why the need for the project
2017-04-19T18:13:02 < Laurenceb> how do I engrish
2017-04-19T18:13:15 < dongs> oh
2017-04-19T18:13:17 < dongs> i think he means
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2017-04-19T18:13:24 < dongs> he has sores for mpu6k and external mag?
2017-04-19T18:13:41 < Laurenceb> ah yeah
2017-04-19T18:13:48 < Laurenceb> he wants codez rewriting
2017-04-19T18:13:51 < dongs> and wants to use weahtever kionix trash thats inside teh 9150
2017-04-19T18:13:57 < Laurenceb> to used mpu rather than whatever
2017-04-19T18:14:00 < dongs> but for 30 he can fuck right off
2017-04-19T18:14:12 < dongs> thats not even enough to open amp.google.com and type search in
2017-04-19T18:14:13 < Laurenceb> so he will have a shit mpu accel in place of a decent one
2017-04-19T18:14:15 < dongs> maybe o6 would take it
2017-04-19T18:14:40 < Laurenceb> he can just grab my github and change the config
2017-04-19T18:14:51 < dongs> < dongs> some chink too lazy to open shithub to one of trollenceB projects
2017-04-19T18:14:53 < dongs> literally wat i said
2017-04-19T18:15:08 < englishman> sphereXP is the best window manager
2017-04-19T18:15:11 < Laurenceb> ooh look https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32InertialMonitor
2017-04-19T18:15:21 < dongs> > improvements to I2C
2017-04-19T18:15:30 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32InertialMonitor/blob/master/Sensors/amb_sensors.h
2017-04-19T18:15:47 < dongs> #include "../Util/buffer.h"
2017-04-19T18:15:48 < dongs> fucking why bro
2017-04-19T18:16:08 < Laurenceb> prob to remind myself wtf is where
2017-04-19T18:16:10 < dongs> add .. to include path and <util/buffer.h> or something
2017-04-19T18:16:25 < Laurenceb> yeah
2017-04-19T18:16:28 < dongs> .. probably being root project
2017-04-19T18:16:29 < dongs> or whatever
2017-04-19T18:16:58 < dongs> your shit doesnt sample gyro at 32khz
2017-04-19T18:17:00 < dongs> disqualified
2017-04-19T18:17:06 < dongs> loop time too high, rejected
2017-04-19T18:17:09 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-04-19T18:17:20 < Laurenceb> prob impossibly over i2c
2017-04-19T18:17:43 < zyp> haha
2017-04-19T18:18:12 < zyp> 32kHz transmissions at 400kHz is barely enough to get through the address byte
2017-04-19T18:18:27 < englishman> it is, why the hell are you using i2c on mpu6k
2017-04-19T18:19:13 < dongs> zyp, cuz 400/32?
2017-04-19T18:19:18 < englishman> amb_sensors.h
2017-04-19T18:19:21 < englishman> oh this is babby shaking detection
2017-04-19T18:19:31 < dongs> amp-sensors.h
2017-04-19T18:19:54 < Laurenceb> yeah its the why babby dead detector
2017-04-19T18:20:10 < Laurenceb> ambulance unform babby
2017-04-19T18:20:41 < sync_> as I said, put a 6 axis platform in the amberlamps
2017-04-19T18:20:53 < sync_> or you could even sim a ambulance ride with that :D
2017-04-19T18:21:16 < Laurenceb> yeah we just got grant money to do just that
2017-04-19T18:21:35 < Laurenceb> working with jaguar/land-rover
2017-04-19T18:23:05 < sync_> so tata
2017-04-19T18:23:18 < Laurenceb> D E S I G N A T E D
2017-04-19T18:24:17 < Laurenceb> https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f240/717833d1486075498-india-designated-superpooer-2020-screen-20shot-202017-02-03-20at-2011.37.57-20am.jpg
2017-04-19T18:49:16 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/1U8tKPy.jpg retweeting
2017-04-19T18:51:41 < englishman> old and reposted
2017-04-19T18:51:48 < dongs> hey that came from efnet
2017-04-19T18:51:50 < dongs> fresh newz
2017-04-19T18:51:57 < englishman> was it on the efnet news
2017-04-19T18:53:44 < dongs> not with that faggot white rapper vapor
2017-04-19T18:58:34 < dongs> o shit guise
2017-04-19T18:58:35 < dongs> Trace Length matching, Layer Stackup table, align objects, import Altium ASCII and EAGLE XML formats. More features...
2017-04-19T18:58:38 < dongs> new dicktrace beta
2017-04-19T18:58:43 < Steffanx> Rob235 are you from dutchland
2017-04-19T18:58:46 < Steffanx> ?
2017-04-19T18:59:01 < Rob235> no? why?
2017-04-19T18:59:18 < dongs> http://diptrace.com/diptrace-software/whats-new/ nice nice
2017-04-19T19:01:21 < Rob235> I'm surprised I'm not banned from this room after yesterday though haha
2017-04-19T19:01:25 < Steffanx> Someone here, with almost your story from yesterday and the same name, blew u his house this morning. Rob235.
2017-04-19T19:01:51 < Steffanx> Blew up*
2017-04-19T19:02:07 < Rob235> nope, wasn't me :)
2017-04-19T19:02:23 < Steffanx> No unless we both went to hell or heaven
2017-04-19T19:02:24 < Rob235> at least not from what I remember :P
2017-04-19T19:03:40 < Steffanx> It seemed no one was annoyed by you yesterday Rob235 ;)
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2017-04-19T19:05:25 < Rob235> I actually feel a lot better today, sometimes a weird shitty day puts things in perspective
2017-04-19T19:05:30 < qyx> englishman: how so
2017-04-19T19:05:39 < qyx> aren't tcxos power hungry?
2017-04-19T19:05:46 < qyx> what modulation do you use?
2017-04-19T19:06:28 < qyx> although, if it is switched off most of the time, it doesn't matter much
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2017-04-19T19:11:30 < Rob235> I'm tired of reading news articles (especially science/medicine related) and never finding out if it worked or not.  I'm going to create a news website that just posts follow ups
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2017-04-19T19:11:45 < dongs> team up with amp6
2017-04-19T19:11:49 < dongs> as your lead rust developer
2017-04-19T19:12:04 < Laurenceb> you could start with crapillary refill tiem
2017-04-19T19:14:34 < qyx> idnt it working yet?
2017-04-19T19:17:45 < Laurenceb> crapillary refill time is snake oil
2017-04-19T19:20:37 < Laurenceb> calling libreoffice gurus
2017-04-19T19:20:46 < qyx> wat, it does mean nothing?
2017-04-19T19:20:52 < Laurenceb> how the fuck do I turn off "locking" on cells?
2017-04-19T19:21:02 < Laurenceb> qyx: its a random number generator
2017-04-19T19:21:22 < qyx> nice
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2017-04-19T19:21:55 < qyx> so you did a research, a prototype and bla bla to find out that it actually doesn't work?
2017-04-19T19:22:08 < Steffanx> Fuck libreoffice.
2017-04-19T19:22:34 < Steffanx> Workes with draw today. What a f-ing piece of crap.
2017-04-19T19:22:43 < qyx> the same apply to all spreadsheet editors in general
2017-04-19T19:22:46 < Steffanx> Tools like that make me understand dongs
2017-04-19T19:23:14 < englishman> qyx: yes they are power hungry, not interested in using them
2017-04-19T19:23:36 < englishman> anyway, turns out it was a power supply issue, pro 330u tant fixed it right up http://i.imgur.com/7KjPToP.jpg
2017-04-19T19:23:40 < englishman> using 2psk
2017-04-19T19:23:42 < Laurenceb> qyx: no
2017-04-19T19:23:53 < Laurenceb> I was paid to do some shit which I knew would never work
2017-04-19T19:23:59 < Laurenceb> but I was paid so who cares
2017-04-19T19:24:08 < dongs> hat kinda cloneovation yo ugot there englishman
2017-04-19T19:24:14 < englishman> amazing innit
2017-04-19T19:24:15 < Laurenceb> everyone already knows crapillary refill is shit
2017-04-19T19:24:29 < englishman> it has all the things: protobufs, webserver in Go, f0 with free keil
2017-04-19T19:24:48 < Steffanx> Go...
2017-04-19T19:24:58 < englishman> Go is pretty cool
2017-04-19T19:25:04 < englishman> i got the kernighan book
2017-04-19T19:25:25 < Laurenceb> for my next job I will work at zano /s
2017-04-19T19:25:26 < Steffanx> But.. go.
2017-04-19T19:25:46 < englishman> no, not go
2017-04-19T19:25:47 < englishman> Go
2017-04-19T19:26:01 < qyx> is there a difference?
2017-04-19T19:26:12 < englishman> kernighan has written 2 books in 75 years
2017-04-19T19:26:15 < englishman> one for C
2017-04-19T19:26:16 < englishman> and one for Go
2017-04-19T19:27:09 < englishman> qyx: yeah, when Go came about, this guy got pissed off https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_(programming_language)
2017-04-19T19:27:17 < Laurenceb> aha
2017-04-19T19:27:26 < Laurenceb> document is protected
2017-04-19T19:27:32 < Laurenceb> how do I turn that off?
2017-04-19T19:27:39 < englishman> pdf?
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2017-04-19T19:29:18 < Laurenceb> thats my plan
2017-04-19T19:29:19 < Laurenceb> hmm
2017-04-19T19:29:26 < Laurenceb> maybe I could use pdf edit to cheat
2017-04-19T19:29:43 < Laurenceb> this sheet is macro filled vomit
2017-04-19T19:30:09 < englishman> you go to pdfunlock.com
2017-04-19T19:30:26 < Laurenceb> its a xls document
2017-04-19T19:30:34 < dongs> then xlsunlock.com
2017-04-19T19:31:45 < Laurenceb> time to email the mess direct to HR office and shout at them
2017-04-19T19:32:03 < ReadError> you can brute force it Laurenceb
2017-04-19T19:32:14 < Laurenceb> but why should I bother
2017-04-19T19:32:17 < ReadError> theres a macro I used before
2017-04-19T19:32:18 < Laurenceb> its not my job
2017-04-19T19:32:22 < Steffanx> Record the call
2017-04-19T19:32:38 < ReadError> it took like 3seconds
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2017-04-19T19:45:28 < Laurenceb> luldone
2017-04-19T19:45:56 < Laurenceb> stupid failsheet put me down as working for time_I_entered-1day
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2017-04-19T19:51:30 < karlp> diptrace is still windows/mac only.
2017-04-19T19:51:45 < Laurenceb> HR office is like "you need to change the format to <x>, just <random stream of autism>, DONT YOU KNOW THAT?!?"
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2017-04-19T20:02:08 < Steffanx> Welcome upgrdman
2017-04-19T20:02:10 < Laurenceb> crazy office monkeys, and I thought I was a loser
2017-04-19T20:02:22 < upgrdman> Steffanx, hi. whats up
2017-04-19T20:02:25 < Steffanx> Was?
2017-04-19T20:02:30 < Steffanx> Sky.
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2017-04-19T20:10:38 < upgrdman> anyone done package-on-package stuff?
2017-04-19T20:11:04 < upgrdman> do you still draw mpu->ram/flash traces on the schematic, even those there are no traces on the pcb?
2017-04-19T20:11:15 < upgrdman> s/those/though
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2017-04-19T20:14:23 < Laurenceb> why bother
2017-04-19T20:15:52 < upgrdman> me? just curious /butters
2017-04-19T20:18:36 < Steffanx> Yeah better care about 4chan//pol/ etc. That shit matters.
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2017-04-19T20:21:06 < Steffanx> No clue, you made me curious as well. You do have to tell some pick and place machine how to deal with it.
2017-04-19T20:25:17 < Laurenceb>  /brit/ dude, get with the times
2017-04-19T20:25:53 < Steffanx> <Laurenceb> why bother
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2017-04-19T20:47:30 < qyx> englishman: did you use that radiolab shit to calculate the registers?
2017-04-19T20:48:56 < qyx> I was expecting a datasheet with a ton of expressions and instead they force you to use some software shit
2017-04-19T21:18:27 < apo> Huh
2017-04-19T21:18:53 < apo> clock input pretty much exactly at 8 MHz, but a timer that should run at 100 kHz only does ~99.9
2017-04-19T21:19:33 < kakimir> why it's so hard to copy files in windows
2017-04-19T21:19:49 < kakimir> says too long path for the filesystem
2017-04-19T21:19:59 < kakimir> then try to archive and it says fuck you
2017-04-19T21:20:22 < kakimir> eventually you pay for some ripoff backup utility
2017-04-19T21:20:53 < kakimir> so hard ..
2017-04-19T21:22:05 < kakimir> does it really want me to boot in linux
2017-04-19T21:22:11 < kakimir> *sigh
2017-04-19T21:23:27 < BrainDamage> https://i.redd.it/fzsmd4uozdsy.png
2017-04-19T21:29:16 < englishman> qyx: yes
2017-04-19T21:29:19 < englishman> and fuck the datasheet
2017-04-19T21:29:30 < englishman> ok so
2017-04-19T21:29:41 < englishman> datasheet says "dont touch any registers other than this table" right
2017-04-19T21:29:53 < englishman> well programming manual adds some, simply saying "write these values here lol"
2017-04-19T21:30:13 < englishman> radiolabia software writes different values to those unnamed registers.
2017-04-19T21:30:13 < englishman> AND
2017-04-19T21:30:21 < englishman> adds even MORE registers with random values
2017-04-19T21:30:27 < englishman> not listed in datasheet or PM
2017-04-19T21:31:12 < englishman> n e way i copypasted what the radiolab generated (making sure to do shit in the right order, for instance spinning up certain things before VCO cal) and shit seems to work.
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2017-04-19T21:57:07 < qyx> englishman: I stopped at vco autoranging
2017-04-19T21:57:44 < englishman> halfway there
2017-04-19T21:57:49 < englishman> i think i spent a day getting it to TX
2017-04-19T21:57:53 < englishman> then a day getting it to RX
2017-04-19T21:57:54 < qyx> the rngerr bit is set regardless of vco register cominations
2017-04-19T21:57:57 < englishman> as the packet handler is also funky
2017-04-19T21:58:08 < qyx> I am suspecting issues too
2017-04-19T21:58:10 < englishman> hm, i never got that flag
2017-04-19T21:58:18 < qyx> as I plan to use raw mode with pattern match
2017-04-19T21:58:27 < englishman> http://cardboard.airdtf.com:9060/
2017-04-19T21:58:34 < englishman> pretty reliable since getting that power issue fixed
2017-04-19T21:58:37 < englishman> yes that's what im doing
2017-04-19T21:58:59 < englishman> could not get HDLC to work
2017-04-19T21:59:09 < englishman> so will have to consider software fec
2017-04-19T21:59:18 < qyx> meh hdlc, not compatible with any other transceivers
2017-04-19T21:59:34 < qyx> I did golay in the past, that helped much
2017-04-19T21:59:54 < englishman> that's neat
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2017-04-19T22:44:23 < c4017> Whats the correct way to force an output compare pin low if the timer is temporarily disabled while the pin is high?
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2017-04-19T22:46:07 < zyp> c4017, depends what you're doing
2017-04-19T22:46:23 < zyp> why is the timer temporarily disabled?
2017-04-19T22:47:18 < c4017> timer is in output toggle mode to generate a frequency for a buzzer. Buzzer needs to turn off sometimes, but sometimes the pin stays high
2017-04-19T22:48:17 < c4017> I'm disable the buzzer by just clearing CEN bit, is there a way to disablw timer that would ensure the pin is in a known state
2017-04-19T22:48:42 < zyp> multiple
2017-04-19T22:49:15 < zyp> instead of disabling the timer, you could just set the OC channel to 0% duty, then it will remain low the entire time
2017-04-19T22:49:37 < gxti> or switch the output mode to gpio (which you could do without even stopping the timer)
2017-04-19T22:49:47 < zyp> yes
2017-04-19T22:49:55 < c4017> Seems a bit inelegent
2017-04-19T22:50:03 < zyp> and another solution I've seen done consists of using two timers, one in oneshot mode, triggered by the other
2017-04-19T22:50:25 < zyp> when the master timer is paused, it stops trigging the oneshot timer, so the oneshot timer stops after finishing its cycle
2017-04-19T22:50:53 < zyp> advantage of that is that you cut all the channels together
2017-04-19T22:51:33 < zyp> also, the advanced timers (TIM1/TIM8) have a register bit to disable all outputs
2017-04-19T22:51:53 < zyp> then you have hardware solution
2017-04-19T22:52:07 < zyp> if the buzzer is AC coupled, it doesn't matter if it stops high or low
2017-04-19T22:52:16 < zyp> i.e. put a cap in series
2017-04-19T22:52:33 < ReadError> BrainDamage: that domain
2017-04-19T22:52:39 < ReadError> is familiar
2017-04-19T22:52:41 < gxti> not a bad idea if it could be damaged by dc, which i imagine is why you're asking
2017-04-19T22:52:45 < ReadError> from someone on efnet
2017-04-19T22:52:50 < c4017> If only I had thought of that before i made the board
2017-04-19T22:52:53 < zyp> I'm sure there's probably more solutions that I haven't covered yet too
2017-04-19T22:53:04 < c4017> You're talking about the MOE bit to disable outputs right?
2017-04-19T22:53:22 < zyp> that sounds like master output enable, so I guess so
2017-04-19T22:53:31 < c4017> Ok, i'll try that
2017-04-19T22:53:38 < zyp> only the advanced timers have that though, so it won't help you if you're tied to TIM2
2017-04-19T22:53:49 < c4017> I'm using TIM1
2017-04-19T22:54:25 < zyp> then that's probably the most elegant solution if you only need to disable the output, not actually stop the timer
2017-04-19T22:59:32 < karlp> apo: remember to -1 on  y our reloads/prescaleers?
2017-04-19T23:01:47 < apo> karlp: I did, and then it worked :p
2017-04-19T23:01:49 < apo> thanks
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2017-04-19T23:41:11 < qyx> englishman: sometimes the autoranging succeeds, but mostly fails
2017-04-19T23:41:15 < qyx> it depends on the freq
2017-04-19T23:41:25 < englishman> which freq?
2017-04-19T23:41:41 < englishman> there's an internal /2 divider that has to be set for 433 range
2017-04-19T23:42:44 < qyx> https://pastebin.com/5icNaGYD
2017-04-19T23:42:56 < qyx> ^ this is for 1MHz steps
2017-04-19T23:43:55 < englishman> and if you hammer the same freq?
2017-04-19T23:47:35 < qyx> https://pastebin.com/A1mcrQ5n
2017-04-19T23:47:39 < qyx> doesn't help
2017-04-19T23:47:50 < englishman> weird
2017-04-19T23:48:21 < englishman> did you set the /2 register
2017-04-19T23:48:29 < englishman> and all the extra hidden 0xffx regs
2017-04-19T23:49:14 < englishman> RFDIV in PLLVCODIV
2017-04-19T23:49:35 < qyx> rfdiv and pllvcodiv yes, hidden no
2017-04-19T23:49:39 < englishman> register generation tool does this separately from main rigs for some reason
2017-04-19T23:49:52 < qyx> I have seen those registers in the generated header
2017-04-19T23:51:28 < englishman> xtal loading caps set?
2017-04-19T23:51:43 < englishman> just scrolling thru my regs now
2017-04-19T23:52:06 < qyx> I tried messing with the xtal reg, didn't help
2017-04-19T23:52:23 < qyx> I am curious why they are setting modulation and fdev prior to the autoranging
2017-04-19T23:52:34 < qyx> I did the same, didn't help
2017-04-19T23:54:33 < qyx> also, I am using 25MHz xtal
2017-04-19T23:54:45 < qyx> and no external inductor for vco
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2017-04-19T23:55:14 < englishman> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/f6GWXO6J/
2017-04-19T23:58:26 < qyx> mostly the same
2017-04-19T23:58:32 < qyx> https://pastebin.com/NZMfNcKr
2017-04-19T23:59:54 < englishman> it did ask to set vcor before rngstart
2017-04-19T23:59:56 < englishman> so i took that literally
2017-04-19T23:59:59 < englishman> and did it in two steps
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2017-04-20T00:00:07 < englishman> makes sense no?
2017-04-20T00:00:38 < englishman> other than that, same
2017-04-20T00:03:01 < englishman> i'm using a slower xtal tho, so my 433MHz = 0x10a76277
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2017-04-20T00:04:12 < englishman> hmm
2017-04-20T00:04:16 < englishman> can you readback freqa
2017-04-20T00:07:49 < englishman> nvm im using 26MHz
2017-04-20T00:08:54 < englishman> dono man
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2017-04-20T00:19:32 < qyx> nah, I'll continue tomorrow
2017-04-20T00:19:33 < qyx> gn
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2017-04-20T00:52:37 < emeb> PaulFertser: ping
2017-04-20T00:54:15 < kakimir> 500GB in my zenbook now
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2017-04-20T00:57:58 < kakimir> 20GB in use and can't figure how to make it all way to what it was before
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2017-04-20T01:10:22 < englishman> Here for a few days only: The flavor-changing, color-changing, totally not-made-up Unicorn Frappuccino. Magical flavors start off sweet and fruity transforming to pleasantly sour. Swirl it to reveal a color-changing spectacle of purple and pink. It's finished with whipped cream-sprinkled pink and blue fairy powders.
2017-04-20T01:10:28 < englishman> this is Laurenceb-level retarded
2017-04-20T01:11:34 < englishman> 410 calories, or, the same as a mcdonalds double cheeseburger
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2017-04-20T01:40:03 < ReadError> only 410 cals in a double cheeseburger?
2017-04-20T01:40:09 < ReadError> figured it would be higher for some reason
2017-04-20T01:40:13 < ReadError> how much brotein
2017-04-20T01:43:14 < englishman> 24g
2017-04-20T01:43:24 < englishman> http://www.mcdonalds.ca/ca/en/menu/full_menu/sandwiches/double_cheeseburger.html#/
2017-04-20T01:45:18 < ReadError> so those are pretty good for you then
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2017-04-20T01:54:31 < englishman> yes
2017-04-20T01:54:37 < englishman> i eat 6 erryday
2017-04-20T01:55:17 < englishman> only costs $5.94
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2017-04-20T02:25:16 < rager> curious
2017-04-20T02:25:23 < rager> is there an STM32 that has ThumbEE?
2017-04-20T02:27:30 < Laurenceb_> is there an stm32 in my stm32?
2017-04-20T02:30:11 < rager> I read about the instruction set and couldn't find straightforward "has this/doesn't have this" on the feature
2017-04-20T02:30:31 < rager> like... the cortex-0 and similar don't do all of thumb-2, even, so they're out
2017-04-20T02:31:03 < rager> but I'm not clever enough to tell if what I've read on the higher-end micros says they don't support thumb-ee or not
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2017-04-20T02:41:06 < ohsix_> https://media.digikey.com/pdf/PCNs/Microsemi%20PPG/PCN1702021.pdf
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2017-04-20T02:56:51 < ohsix_> nevermind, can't reach home olol
2017-04-20T02:57:16 < ohsix_> need to make my irc client be able to do more stuff, like reload firewall rules, which i didn't do before i left
2017-04-20T03:03:11 < ohsix_> that pcn has a list of all the stuff they made in bend at that fab
2017-04-20T03:03:56 < ohsix_> guy came in today that worked in semiconductor industry to talk about it, like, to see if we can get funding to keep it available as a fab to local hardware companies that want to get silicon made
2017-04-20T03:04:18 < ohsix_> if any of you DICKS know any investors or anyone that might be interested let me know
2017-04-20T03:04:41 < ohsix_> can't tell anyone else more public olol
2017-04-20T03:05:49 < ohsix_> also lul, there's a perl meetup that just started a few days ago, they're going to do their meetings in here for a few
2017-04-20T03:06:00 < ohsix_> the guy was younger than 70, it's weird
2017-04-20T03:10:59 < englishman> rager: you could look thru the programming manuals for each cortex-m series stm32 to see if thumbee instructions are implemented. but i'm pretty sure the answer is no
2017-04-20T03:19:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'm pretty sure too
2017-04-20T03:19:54 < rager> looks like "no" from more research
2017-04-20T03:19:58 < Laurenceb_> but my memory suckzors
2017-04-20T03:19:59 < Laurenceb_> k
2017-04-20T03:20:00 < rager> and also "thumbee sucks and is deprecated, anyway"
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2017-04-20T03:30:22 < ohsix_> can't ^ad a local irssi
2017-04-20T03:35:10  * Laurenceb_ read that as a matlab error
2017-04-20T03:35:46 < ohsix_> matlab is for cucks
2017-04-20T03:36:02 < ohsix_> i hear that's a bad thing
2017-04-20T03:38:02 < ohsix_> got tiny motors from aliexpress, tiny stuff rules
2017-04-20T03:38:53 < ohsix_> these things have common shaft size with the vibration / nanoquad motors, but less torque and really tiny https://www.aliexpress.com/item/J011b-K10-Mini-DC-Motor-Low-Speed-for-DIY-Model-Making-Samll-Handmaking-Moto-Battery-operated/32760539006.html
2017-04-20T03:41:32 < Laurenceb_> <ohsix_> i hear that's a bad thing
2017-04-20T03:41:50 < Laurenceb_> ohsix_ confirmed as carer for his wifes son
2017-04-20T03:42:14 < Laurenceb_> looks like a zano tier motor
2017-04-20T03:44:56 < Laurenceb_> there are some pretty cool mini brushless motors
2017-04-20T03:45:04 < Laurenceb_> maybe a pro tier zano is possible
2017-04-20T03:45:07 < ohsix_> hm
2017-04-20T03:45:08 < ohsix_> url
2017-04-20T03:45:12 < Laurenceb_> even using esp32 perhaps
2017-04-20T03:45:30 < ohsix_> sec i'm in and out setting up a lab
2017-04-20T03:45:45 < ohsix_> i looked for small brushless and they don't get as small as dc without 300$/ea motor
2017-04-20T03:45:52 < Laurenceb_> http://www.micronradiocontrol.co.uk/motor_brushless.html
2017-04-20T03:46:02 < Laurenceb_> 5gram there
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2017-04-20T03:46:15 < Laurenceb_> ooh no 2gram
2017-04-20T03:47:02 < ohsix_> if i get to it i'm gonna use an arduino pro mini with one of the gyro/accel shields soldered to it
2017-04-20T03:47:13 < ohsix_> dunno about motor drive
2017-04-20T03:47:44 < Laurenceb_> AP03 looks pretty epin
2017-04-20T03:47:50 < Laurenceb_> 61grams thrust
2017-04-20T03:48:05 < ohsix_> gm
2017-04-20T03:48:09 < ohsix_> yea that looks not bad
2017-04-20T03:48:20 < ohsix_> still getting used to what size things are wrt real measurements tbh
2017-04-20T03:48:27 < Ultrasauce> who is gonna buy an old 4" fab in oregon
2017-04-20T03:48:29 < ohsix_> k not bad
2017-04-20T03:48:36 < ohsix_> 'buy'
2017-04-20T03:48:49 < ohsix_> the equipment is going to be thrown out
2017-04-20T03:49:05 < ohsix_> you'd buy the building to get them to leave the shit there or something
2017-04-20T03:49:23 < ohsix_> Laurenceb_: any idea who supplies those motors to micro?
2017-04-20T03:49:43 < Laurenceb_> ohsix_: they tend to have their own suppliers
2017-04-20T03:49:47 < ohsix_> i know
2017-04-20T03:49:49 < ohsix_> hhehe
2017-04-20T03:49:54 < Laurenceb_> maybe email the guy and he could set you up
2017-04-20T03:49:57 < ohsix_> they're probably handmade in the uk too
2017-04-20T03:50:11 < ohsix_> i'm just wondering if they have any smaller, not necessarily useful for rc
2017-04-20T03:50:11 < Laurenceb_> aiui a lot of the stuff is handmade with some parts ordered from china
2017-04-20T03:50:58 < Laurenceb_> he got me some nice 300mg lipo cells for rockoon trackers
2017-04-20T03:51:18 < ohsix_> nice
2017-04-20T03:51:20 < ohsix_> heheh
2017-04-20T03:51:34 < ohsix_> batteries out of china are $$$ now
2017-04-20T03:51:48 < ohsix_> i bought some 1$ mp3 players to shuck 70mAh-ish batteries out of
2017-04-20T03:51:59 < ohsix_> which was like a net 5$ savings
2017-04-20T03:52:08 < Laurenceb_> they are standard full river parts but a bit tricky to buy
2017-04-20T03:52:18 < ohsix_> full river?
2017-04-20T03:52:25 < Laurenceb_> china lipo brand
2017-04-20T03:52:30 < ohsix_> ah
2017-04-20T03:52:56 < Laurenceb_> they specialise in v small up to ~1Ah stuff
2017-04-20T03:55:00 < ohsix_> lul
2017-04-20T03:55:10 < ohsix_>  a guy i knew from like 10 years ago just walked in
2017-04-20T03:57:10 < Laurenceb_> dude weed lmao
2017-04-20T03:57:12 < Laurenceb_> https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/04/19/2051218/first-evidence-for-higher-state-of-consciousness-found
2017-04-20T04:00:29 < ohsix_> back to motors
2017-04-20T04:00:41 < ohsix_> other people came in and got his attention
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2017-04-20T04:02:16 < ohsix_> cuck
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2017-04-20T04:11:43 < ohsix_> huh
2017-04-20T04:11:50 < ohsix_> chrome changed the back/forward menu color
2017-04-20T04:11:59 < ohsix_> or material design shit finally landed on lunix
2017-04-20T04:14:01 < ohsix_> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-Micro-Brushless-Motor-Driver-For-Naze32-Spracing-F3-Flight-Controller-For-RC-Camera-Drone/32734681033.html huh
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2017-04-20T04:14:10 < ohsix_> nice, there's probably a handful of these types of things
2017-04-20T04:14:14 < ohsix_> supgrdman
2017-04-20T04:18:03 < ohsix_> nice
2017-04-20T04:18:09 < ohsix_> how cuz you don't have a box of like 50 already
2017-04-20T04:18:14 < ohsix_> aren't they <80c ea
2017-04-20T04:18:24 < upgrdman> hellosix
2017-04-20T04:23:10 < ohsix_> howru
2017-04-20T04:23:26 < ohsix_> did i ever mention people making shoes as a hobby in here
2017-04-20T04:23:34 < ohsix_> i met some cobblers, lol
2017-04-20T04:23:52 < ohsix_> volunteered at a thing where people bring stuff in to fix, the space we were using was amaze
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2017-04-20T04:27:10 < upgrdman> been fighting with fiber optics today
2017-04-20T04:27:32 < upgrdman> photodiode with rated 15ns rise/fall time looks like 5us rise/fall on my scope
2017-04-20T04:27:38 < upgrdman> prolly my circuit tho :(
2017-04-20T04:28:42 < ohsix_> fiber fights back
2017-04-20T04:29:28 < sync_> upgrdman: how are you driving the diode?
2017-04-20T04:30:58 < upgrdman> sync_, page 2 of http://i-fiberoptics.com/pdf/ifd91.pdf .... tried "Vr" @ 3v3/12v/20v, and "Rl" at 60/85/100/1k/100k. currently using 12V and 85ohm.
2017-04-20T04:31:07 < ohsix_> what are you trying to do
2017-04-20T04:31:16 < upgrdman> ohsix_, fiber optic uart
2017-04-20T04:31:28 < ohsix_> just for giggles?
2017-04-20T04:31:38 < sync_> err ok
2017-04-20T04:31:39 < upgrdman> no, for paychecks
2017-04-20T04:31:41 < ohsix_> i ordered some diodes and solar panels to do free space link shit
2017-04-20T04:31:47 < ohsix_> o ic
2017-04-20T04:31:59 < ohsix_> why aren't you just using the laser driver modules for sfp?
2017-04-20T04:32:11 < sync_> I would have suspected you would have to do some clever reverse bias thing
2017-04-20T04:32:16 < ohsix_> you control them with i2c and they have built in power metering
2017-04-20T04:32:22 < upgrdman> ohsix_, price?
2017-04-20T04:32:29 < ohsix_> 70$?
2017-04-20T04:32:33 < upgrdman> too expensive
2017-04-20T04:32:33 < ohsix_> per port
2017-04-20T04:32:35 < ohsix_> k
2017-04-20T04:32:39 < ohsix_> i'll double check
2017-04-20T04:32:47 < ohsix_> how fast do you need it to zoom
2017-04-20T04:32:51 < upgrdman> my tx is $4 for qty1 and rx is $5 for qty1
2017-04-20T04:32:57 < upgrdman> and like half that for qty100
2017-04-20T04:33:01 < ohsix_> sfp also gets you a standard connectors and cables
2017-04-20T04:33:03 < sync_> upgrdman: is your capacitive loading fucking you up?
2017-04-20T04:33:10 < upgrdman> ohsix_, 10-20Mbps
2017-04-20T04:33:33 < upgrdman> sync_, cap where? for now im just probing the anode with my oscope 10x probe.
2017-04-20T04:33:37 < ohsix_> ali has a bunch for 10-15
2017-04-20T04:33:45 < ohsix_> upgrdman: hm hp sent me some shit an age ago
2017-04-20T04:33:49 < upgrdman> not like im driving a power mosfet gate or anything
2017-04-20T04:34:20 < sync_> buffer the diode signal with a fast op
2017-04-20T04:34:36 < upgrdman> sync_, ya i found a schematic like that. will try tomorrow morning
2017-04-20T04:34:51 < upgrdman> sync_, page2 of http://download.mikroe.com/documents/add-on-boards/click/fiber-opt-5v/fiber-opt-click-5v-manual-v100.pdf
2017-04-20T04:35:07 < upgrdman> looks like theyre biasing the photodiode depending on its state too
2017-04-20T04:35:07 < ohsix_> do you know what connectors you're using yet?
2017-04-20T04:35:19 < sync_> ohsix_: just POF
2017-04-20T04:35:20 < upgrdman> ohsix_, i can pick, but they need to be cheap
2017-04-20T04:35:33 < sync_> just shove the fiber in the thing
2017-04-20T04:35:40 < sync_> cheap as can be
2017-04-20T04:35:44 < upgrdman> ya thats why im using the ones i picked
2017-04-20T04:35:51 < upgrdman> no connector. just a plastic collet thinggy
2017-04-20T04:35:54 < ohsix_> word
2017-04-20T04:35:57 < ohsix_> sync_: ya
2017-04-20T04:36:17 < ohsix_> i got polishing tools and some stuff for pof
2017-04-20T04:36:21 < ohsix_> ... from hp, now agilent
2017-04-20T04:37:13 < sync_> usually you don't need to polish them
2017-04-20T04:37:32 < ohsix_> it was also to get the face orthogonal
2017-04-20T04:37:43 < upgrdman> sync_, on pg2 of http://download.mikroe.com/documents/add-on-boards/click/fiber-opt-5v/fiber-opt-click-5v-manual-v100.pdf ... the first op amp is just biasing and "digitizing" the photodiode right? whats the seconds op amp for, just more gain?
2017-04-20T04:38:21 < upgrdman> or hmm pos feedback... so schmitt triggering?
2017-04-20T04:38:59 < ohsix_> it's a high pass filter?
2017-04-20T04:39:06 < ohsix_> feedback to neg has a capacitor in it
2017-04-20T04:41:07 < dongs> upgrdman: 1st one is inverting, no?
2017-04-20T04:41:33 < upgrdman> oh ya
2017-04-20T04:41:41 < upgrdman> my op amp skills are bad and i should feel bad
2017-04-20T04:41:49 < dongs> there's no Rin and i dunno why there's a cap but the rest of the shit looks like inverting
2017-04-20T04:42:07 < ohsix_> there are some decent books just on opamps
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2017-04-20T04:42:16 < dongs> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/68707/does-a-capacitor-in-an-inverting-op-amp-make-a-difference
2017-04-20T04:42:18 < ohsix_> i have one by ramakant gayakwad
2017-04-20T04:42:26 < ohsix_> whcih i only know because the name is awesome
2017-04-20T04:42:42 < dongs> looks like its there for LPF
2017-04-20T04:42:51 < sync_> the second one is a diff amp
2017-04-20T04:43:16 < ohsix_> diff balls
2017-04-20T04:44:02 < ohsix_> look at dongs googling and grabbing a stackexchange link
2017-04-20T04:44:04 < upgrdman> hmm and im gonna prolly need 100MHz op amps if i want 15MHz square-ish waves... fuck that wont be cheap
2017-04-20T04:44:10 < ohsix_> oh how the tides have turned
2017-04-20T04:44:22 < ohsix_> 100mhz aren't expensive either per-se
2017-04-20T04:45:19 < sync_> the first one is a transimpedance amp upgrdman
2017-04-20T04:45:20 < ohsix_> that mcp6022 is 10mhz
2017-04-20T04:45:21 < sync_> yes
2017-04-20T04:45:29 < sync_> the problem is the gbp
2017-04-20T04:46:19 < sync_> http://www.ti.com/lit/an/sboa035/sboa035.pdf
2017-04-20T04:47:01 < ohsix_> https://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/linear-amplifiers-instrumentation-op-amps-buffer-amps/687?k=&pkeyword=&pv658=u75MHz&pv658=u79.9MHz&pv658=u80MHz&pv658=u81MHz&pv658=u83MHz&pv658=u85MHz&pv658=u88MHz&pv658=u90MHz&pv658=u95MHz&pv658=u100MHz&pv658=u105MHz&pv658=u110MHz&pv658=u118MHz&pv658=u120MHz&pv658=u125MHz&FV=ffe002af&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=
2017-04-20T04:47:07 < ohsix_> 0&pageSize=500 gbp 75-125
2017-04-20T04:47:12 < ohsix_> waat
2017-04-20T04:47:14 < ohsix_> well f that link
2017-04-20T04:47:22 < dongs> noce appnote
2017-04-20T04:47:26 < dongs> for true pros
2017-04-20T04:47:47 < upgrdman> indeed
2017-04-20T04:48:20 < ohsix_> 80mhz .26c single unitz from microchip on digilbat
2017-04-20T04:48:27 < sync_> how cheapshit do you need it?
2017-04-20T04:48:46 < dongs> arduino-shield-cheap
2017-04-20T04:49:17 < upgrdman> sync_, op amp? sub $1 is possible but i need to get it done so whatever i guess
2017-04-20T04:49:28 < ohsix_> you can easily get that in single units for <50c
2017-04-20T04:49:32 < upgrdman> ahh cool
2017-04-20T04:49:43 < ohsix_> i mean, you can look more carefully,  but there are lots of options
2017-04-20T04:50:09 < Ultrasauce> whatcha innovating upgrdman
2017-04-20T04:50:43 < upgrdman> Ultrasauce, xray tube telemetry
2017-04-20T04:50:49 < ohsix_> crt: i'm sure these are real!!11 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10PCS-JRC4558D-JRC-4558D-DIP8-OPAMP-OP-AMPS-CHIP-IC/32224555989.html
2017-04-20T04:50:59 < sync_> lmh6639 is a good one iirc
2017-04-20T04:51:07 < Ultrasauce> oh neat
2017-04-20T04:51:11 < upgrdman> need a 10+MBaud UART with >100kV isolation
2017-04-20T04:51:27 < sync_> ah
2017-04-20T04:51:29 < sync_> still that project
2017-04-20T04:51:33 < upgrdman> ya
2017-04-20T04:51:45 < ohsix_> how long has he been working on it sync
2017-04-20T04:51:49 < ohsix_> i've failed to read irc much :[
2017-04-20T04:51:56 < upgrdman> and more requirements were added, just to fuck with me
2017-04-20T04:53:09 < ohsix_> heheh reusing toslink cables and receptacles
2017-04-20T04:57:34 < ohsix_> there are tesla coil fiber optic controller things
2017-04-20T04:57:43 < ohsix_> dunno if many are more than on/off
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2017-04-20T05:14:49 < aandrew> hey Laurenceb how about this cat: http://i.imgur.com/EhykyLK.jpg
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2017-04-20T05:45:15 < upgrdman> lol  https://imgur.com/x238vXO?r
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2017-04-20T05:47:31 < aandrew> upgrdman: haha
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2017-04-20T07:30:59 < ohsix_> f
2017-04-20T07:31:02 < ohsix_> haha
2017-04-20T07:31:09 < ohsix_> weird having irc running on the local computer
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2017-04-20T07:31:51 < ohsix> sup
2017-04-20T07:32:10 < ohsix> mic check 1 2 1 2
2017-04-20T07:33:00 < ohsix> Without your knowledge or explicit permission, the Windows networking technology which connects your computer to the Internet may be offering some or all of your computer's data to the entire world at this very moment!
2017-04-20T07:34:22 < ohsix> i still go to steve gibsons website when i need someone to check a port at home
2017-04-20T07:45:14 < ReadError> 00:40:07.279270 IP 54.64.75.105.krb524 > xxx.x.x.x.domain:  26342+ [1au] ANY? cpsc.gov. (37)
2017-04-20T07:45:14 < ReadError> 00:40:07.279272 IP 54.64.75.105.krb524 > xxx.x.x.x.domain:  26342+ [1au] ANY? cpsc.gov. (37)
2017-04-20T07:45:19 < ReadError> know what this is?
2017-04-20T07:45:35 < ReadError> hint https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/AGbvvxRL/
2017-04-20T07:51:06 < ohsix> consuper product safety commission
2017-04-20T07:51:09 < ohsix> super
2017-04-20T07:51:11 < ohsix> ff
2017-04-20T07:51:15 < ohsix> corrupt-net is down
2017-04-20T07:51:47 < ohsix> what are you even asking ReadError
2017-04-20T07:52:04 < ohsix> nice to see they use dnssec
2017-04-20T07:52:08 < ReadError> just seeing how smart yall is
2017-04-20T07:52:23 < ohsix> wonder if there's a chrome extension that can check for me
2017-04-20T07:52:27 < ohsix> kerberos?
2017-04-20T07:52:29 < ohsix> tgt?
2017-04-20T07:52:38 < ReadError> dns amplification attack
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2017-04-20T07:53:06 < ReadError> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 2721
2017-04-20T07:54:01 < ohsix> so people are using hosts with large dns replies and udp/forged request addresses?
2017-04-20T07:54:38 < ohsix> i hate when someone thinks they're clever and it is actually asinine, bruh
2017-04-20T07:55:45 < ReadError> yea, spoof request w/ target IP
2017-04-20T07:56:03 < ohsix> boo
2017-04-20T07:56:07 < ReadError> so for a few bytes out you can send a shitload of traffic back
2017-04-20T07:56:12 < ReadError> to somewhere else
2017-04-20T07:56:14 < ohsix> you should have found me in like 1999 when i was watching snort all day
2017-04-20T07:56:40 < ReadError> ran a tcpdump on this box and saw a ton of dns
2017-04-20T07:56:45 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-20T07:56:52 < ReadError> any time you see that cpsc.gov
2017-04-20T07:56:59 < ReadError> its gonna be an amp attack
2017-04-20T07:57:02 < ReadError> best value
2017-04-20T07:57:08 < ohsix> dns servers generally are a lot of traffic nobody looks at very much
2017-04-20T07:57:18 < dongs> google AMP attack
2017-04-20T07:57:27 < ohsix> lul
2017-04-20T07:57:35 < ohsix> cloudflare has articles about it dating to 2012
2017-04-20T07:58:13 < ohsix> That's a 64 byte query that resulted in a 3,223 byte response. In other words, an attacker is able to achieve a 50x amplification over whatever traffic they can initiate to an open DNS resolver. Note, ironically, how the effectiveness of the attack based on the size of the response is made worse by the inclusion of the huge DNSSEC keys -- a protocol designed to make the DNS system more secure.
2017-04-20T07:58:31 < ohsix> ReadError: did you see dongs earlier google stackexchange shit and just paste it in here
2017-04-20T07:58:40 < ReadError> no
2017-04-20T07:59:30 < ohsix> it's ok he'll do it again
2017-04-20T07:59:39 < ohsix> i just noticed this afternoon that it was extremely ironic
2017-04-20T07:59:48 < ohsix> fargo s3 is out
2017-04-20T07:59:54 < ohsix> and i think the finale of the expanse
2017-04-20T08:00:30 < ohsix> murder in successville s3
2017-04-20T08:00:46 < dongs> yes
2017-04-20T08:01:15 < ohsix> wasn't trying, but getting you to say no can be funny coincident-style
2017-04-20T08:01:23 < dongs> 13:53 < ReadError> < timestamp when autism began
2017-04-20T08:01:30 < dongs> and continued for over 7 minutes
2017-04-20T08:01:40 < dongs> several amp searches were conducted in that period
2017-04-20T08:01:51 < dongs> and new tabs opened
2017-04-20T08:02:22 < ohsix> upgrdman: how far does your optical thing need to go, and why 20mbps?
2017-04-20T08:02:37 < upgrdman> ohsix, about 300mm
2017-04-20T08:02:50 < upgrdman> and because i need to sent/recv lots of data
2017-04-20T08:02:58 < ohsix> not image data tho?
2017-04-20T08:03:02 < upgrdman> no
2017-04-20T08:03:07 < dongs> yes
2017-04-20T08:03:13 < ohsix> i only know a little about xray and i can't think of anything in the system that would need tha tmuch
2017-04-20T08:03:34 < ohsix> is the optical path in a feedback loop for the control system? (temp, power, watever)
2017-04-20T08:03:39 < upgrdman> ohsix, voltage measurements of grids, filament, etc.
2017-04-20T08:03:45 < upgrdman> yes
2017-04-20T08:03:57 < ohsix> ahh
2017-04-20T08:04:03 < ohsix> k makes sense
2017-04-20T08:04:04 < upgrdman> for prototype stuf
2017-04-20T08:04:15 < upgrdman> like internal r&d
2017-04-20T08:04:25 < upgrdman> and if they cant fix stuff... well making for production too
2017-04-20T08:04:31 < upgrdman> s/making/maybe
2017-04-20T08:04:34 < ohsix> and the buttr8 is based on 1/f for shit you need to do or something?
2017-04-20T08:05:01 < dongs> omg starcraft.exe FREE
2017-04-20T08:05:01 < upgrdman> its more like "we're not sure, but x kSPS would be nice"
2017-04-20T08:05:11 < ohsix> i'm gonna order some toslink shit and see how garbage it is
2017-04-20T08:05:13 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-20T08:05:54 < upgrdman> so i've got a 12bit 1MSPS ADC and a 12bit DAC
2017-04-20T08:06:05 < ohsix> why
2017-04-20T08:06:18 < upgrdman> DAC to set grid/filament stuff, ADC to measure feedback
2017-04-20T08:06:22 < ohsix> ohhhhhh
2017-04-20T08:06:32 < ohsix> haha i thought you meant for the drive and the pickup on the laser
2017-04-20T08:06:41 < upgrdman> oh no
2017-04-20T08:06:49 < ohsix> you can do encodings that don't need linear pa/driver
2017-04-20T08:07:03 < upgrdman> the fiber optics is just a UART between the adc+dac+cpld in the tank, and the control stuff outside the tank
2017-04-20T08:07:04 < ohsix> like fm, but i don't know a lot about optical systems
2017-04-20T08:07:07 < ohsix> rite
2017-04-20T08:07:54 < upgrdman> anyway this is work stuff, and im trying not to think about it when im not at work
2017-04-20T08:08:02 < ohsix> Laurenceb: i think the hobby supply guys' know they're only harming themselves by selling on ebay/ali, so none of the cheap shit is on there
2017-04-20T08:08:09 < upgrdman> so, time for donald duck + chip n dale fuckery
2017-04-20T08:08:12 < ohsix> good idea
2017-04-20T08:08:21 < ReadError> dongs: are you sick
2017-04-20T08:08:23 < ohsix> the nes games?
2017-04-20T08:08:25 < ReadError> i thought you dont use tabs
2017-04-20T08:08:33 < upgrdman> ohsix, no the cartoons  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-x1kz3OHvw
2017-04-20T08:09:19 < ohsix> ReadError: everything is lies, dongs is 3 dimensional chess
2017-04-20T08:09:47 < ReadError> thats a lot of D
2017-04-20T08:10:05 < ohsix> http://onetesla.com/fiber-optic-receiver.html who makes these D:
2017-04-20T08:10:25 < ohsix> upgrdman: rescue rangers is pretty boss on the nes
2017-04-20T08:10:42 < dongs> uhh
2017-04-20T08:10:49 < dongs> how the fuck is that not copyrighted the fuck off jewtube
2017-04-20T08:10:52 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Opm9xGjRA
2017-04-20T08:11:26 < upgrdman> ohsix, that looks some something from IF
2017-04-20T08:11:35 < ohsix> if?
2017-04-20T08:11:49 < upgrdman> http://i-fiberoptics.com/photodetectors.php
2017-04-20T08:11:53 < ohsix> oahaho
2017-04-20T08:12:08 < upgrdman> oh lol it is
2017-04-20T08:12:12 < upgrdman> from your link "Receiver is Industrial Fiberoptics IF-D95T"
2017-04-20T08:12:16 < ohsix> nice, ya there's a few vendors but was coming up nothing
2017-04-20T08:12:17 < ohsix> o
2017-04-20T08:12:31 < ohsix> i was looking at the transmitter when i thought to ask, then clicked on the receiver and actually did it
2017-04-20T08:12:31 < upgrdman> in the dickscription
2017-04-20T08:13:03 < dongs> 3D step model
2017-04-20T08:13:04 < dongs> nice
2017-04-20T08:13:22 < upgrdman> "The IF-D95T and IF-D95OC are suitable for digital data links at rates up to 125 kbps. " damn thats slow
2017-04-20T08:13:31 < ohsix> ah transmitter says it too
2017-04-20T08:13:45 < dongs> obviously you need D97
2017-04-20T08:13:50 < ohsix> you need some pretty srs shit on the receive side for speed
2017-04-20T08:14:30 < ohsix> i had a friend that designed sfp modules for some company, maybe agilent; and i don't remember exactly, but i think the temp measurement and compensation stuff was mostly on the receive side
2017-04-20T08:14:32 < dongs> also im sure you knew this but for 10mbps youre gonna need an opamp that can also do 10mbps
2017-04-20T08:15:11 < upgrdman> dongs, ya
2017-04-20T08:15:30 < ohsix> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/10204 harr the one thing sparkfun sold that wasn't a total rip, and they don't anymore
2017-04-20T08:15:35 < ohsix> 15mbps tho
2017-04-20T08:15:50 < ohsix> dunno when i'll get to it but i'm buying some toslink cables and rx/tx things
2017-04-20T08:16:24 < ohsix> fiber is kind of weird
2017-04-20T08:16:30 < dongs> starcrap installer is written in QT :|
2017-04-20T08:16:40 < dongs> d:/games/Faggotry for paths
2017-04-20T08:16:45 < ohsix> multimode fiber anyways, if you look into that you might get some intuitive idea about why shit is so slow
2017-04-20T08:16:50 < ohsix> bbl
2017-04-20T08:17:01 < upgrdman> dongs, problem with d97 is price. if i can get by when my $4 rx + a fast op amp, i'd same more than $10 each
2017-04-20T08:17:07 < dongs> its fucking trivial for qt cucks to fix the path delimiters yet they havent done in nearly 10+ years
2017-04-20T08:17:21 < dongs> upgrdman: ah right
2017-04-20T08:17:52 < upgrdman> and that ti/bb app note from sync might save my ass. will overnight some op amps tomorrow
2017-04-20T08:18:08 < upgrdman> and PROtotype some shit
2017-04-20T08:20:47 < upgrdman> lolwut, some of my youtube commenters... "Hello! I have a question! Can you make a proxy server from each computer? Or virtual network? I need your idea - what you put together is very cool. Can I use it to inconspicuously advertise advertising from Google? Write to me on the mail! I'm ready to pay for the idea! [redacted]@gmail.com! I'm waiting!"
2017-04-20T08:21:03 < upgrdman> on my vpn video
2017-04-20T08:21:42 < dongs> upgrdman: why, inconspicuously advertiseing advertising from google is literally your day job
2017-04-20T08:21:53 < dongs> why not hit that reply button and get PAID
2017-04-20T08:21:54 < upgrdman> heh
2017-04-20T08:22:04 < upgrdman> he prolly wants turn-key for $5
2017-04-20T08:22:35 < dongs> i got tons of $ on freecancer, gonna try posting my FPGA project and see if soem viet/chink will bite and do expensive work for cheap
2017-04-20T08:24:44 < dongs> upgrdman: that kinda collet conncetor is standard thing?
2017-04-20T08:24:53 < dongs> on your fiberoptic shits
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2017-04-20T08:25:06 < ohsix> upgrdman: docker pull openvpn
2017-04-20T08:25:06 < dongs> crt, like 30hr for the guy who i think might be able to do it
2017-04-20T08:25:11 < upgrdman> dongs, dunno if industry standard, but IF makes ass longs of shit with it
2017-04-20T08:25:24 < dongs> upgrdman: cant you not use toslink stuff?
2017-04-20T08:25:26 < dongs> or is that different
2017-04-20T08:25:47 < upgrdman> dongs, well i just went ti digicuck -> fiber -> sort by price ...
2017-04-20T08:25:49 < dongs> those clicky things, and then you can buy toslink cablez for cheap
2017-04-20T08:26:00 < dongs> from hifi shops
2017-04-20T08:26:03 < upgrdman> cause my boss want its cheap. cn afterall
2017-04-20T08:26:19 < dongs> well, i guarantee you toslink transmitters/receivers are cheap in cn
2017-04-20T08:26:32 < upgrdman> k, i'll look into tosslink
2017-04-20T08:27:14 < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/data%20sheets/toshiba%20pdfs/fiber-optic%20devices%20toslink.pdf
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2017-04-20T08:27:33 < dongs> hm 6Mb/s w/NRZ
2017-04-20T08:27:48 < dongs> ◆ Data rate: DC to 50 Mb/s (NRZ)
2017-04-20T08:27:49 < dongs> o nice
2017-04-20T08:27:57 < dongs> anyway, and tosdick stuff will have digital out
2017-04-20T08:28:03 < dongs> with amp/cleanup shit inside the reciever
2017-04-20T08:28:12 < dongs> so that might be also something to think about
2017-04-20T08:28:32 < upgrdman> yup. thanks. will check it.
2017-04-20T08:42:09 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: pong
2017-04-20T08:43:05 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: Hey - tried openocd on an F722 today and it didn't recognize the device id
2017-04-20T08:43:14 < dongs> heh
2017-04-20T08:43:14 < emeb_mac> I was able to patch it myself to get it working tho
2017-04-20T08:44:41 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: just wondering if that's worth a pull request or can I just send a patch to someone? Or just sit tight until someone on the maintainers does it for themselves.
2017-04-20T08:46:15 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: the best way would be to send it to Gerrit according to HACKING instructions. Alternatively, you can pastebin the patch and I can send it myself but this way you won't be able to directly answer the questions if any arise.
2017-04-20T08:46:49 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: OK - I'll RTFM tomorrow and take care of it.
2017-04-20T08:46:55 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: TIA!
2017-04-20T08:47:45 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: np - thx for advice.
2017-04-20T08:49:54 < emeb_mac> heh - came across a song on bandcamp that "feat. timecop1983"
2017-04-20T08:50:03 < emeb_mac> dongs the rockstar
2017-04-20T08:58:05 < dongs> dongstar
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2017-04-20T09:14:58 < Thorn> Soyuz  MS-04 launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ8qfhbe24E
2017-04-20T09:16:39 < dongs> with people in it?
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2017-04-20T09:19:58 < Thorn> 2 people
2017-04-20T09:21:05 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdmHHpAsMVw
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2017-04-20T09:47:59 < dongs> when thefuck will it actually start, thorn
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2017-04-20T09:50:45 < Thorn> 24 min
2017-04-20T09:50:52 < dongs> from now? Ok
2017-04-20T09:51:27 < dongs> oh boy
2017-04-20T09:51:35 < dongs> some indian will complete my fpga proj in 2 months
2017-04-20T09:51:50 < Steffanx>  Better hire.
2017-04-20T09:51:54 < dongs> NAME :  KUMAR PROFESSION : CURRENTLY WORKING AS A ASSISTANT PROFESSOR IN A REPUTED UNIVERSITY
2017-04-20T09:51:57 < dongs> ## Area of Expertise
2017-04-20T09:52:00 < dongs> VLSI VERILOG VHDL MEMORY DESIGN CMOS ASIC FPGA
2017-04-20T09:52:02 < dongs> looks legit
2017-04-20T09:52:03 < Steffanx> Or is it a one day job?
2017-04-20T09:52:12 < dongs> Steffanx: its definitely not a one day job haha
2017-04-20T09:53:02 < dongs> 0 reviews
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2017-04-20T10:01:24 < dongs> Thorn: why dont they have a fucking countdown timer
2017-04-20T10:01:43 < dongs> oh nasa tv version looks less gay
2017-04-20T10:05:17 < dongs> http://www.ibfriedrich.com/de/index.html#downloadPage haha what
2017-04-20T10:05:23 < dongs> some german freetard PCB cad
2017-04-20T10:06:28 < dongs> By the way I want to design pcb with EAGLE software.
2017-04-20T10:06:28 < dongs> Donot bid if you dont know the EAGLE.
2017-04-20T10:06:28 < dongs> You should answer this question while submitting your proposal:
2017-04-20T10:06:28 < dongs> Can you show me the sample project for eagle software?
2017-04-20T10:06:40 < dongs> do YOU know the EAGLE?
2017-04-20T10:07:27 < ReadError> drop down & get ur eagle on freak
2017-04-20T10:12:10 < dongs> 2.18 to launch
2017-04-20T10:12:17 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ8qfhbe24E / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdmHHpAsMVw
2017-04-20T10:19:41 < Steffanx> What language is that in nasa vid.
2017-04-20T10:19:48 < dongs> ? english?
2017-04-20T10:19:53 < dongs> the dude talking
2017-04-20T10:20:07 < Steffanx> No the on screen text
2017-04-20T10:20:25 < Steffanx> Lools russian but not russian
2017-04-20T10:20:31 < Steffanx> Looks
2017-04-20T10:21:02 < Thorn> it's russian
2017-04-20T10:21:11 < Steffanx> And russians only say: na tochku, sleva, spravo etc. :p
2017-04-20T10:21:50 < Fleck> yep, thats russian
2017-04-20T10:22:43 < dongs> why is there a shitty teddy bear hanging
2017-04-20T10:24:25 < Steffanx> Cute Red Teddy.
2017-04-20T10:25:19 < Steffanx> Azi
2017-04-20T10:25:42 < Steffanx> I better stop pumpin'
2017-04-20T10:25:55 < dongs> lol @ that green overlay shit
2017-04-20T10:26:04 < dongs> that looks like some NTSC garbage
2017-04-20T10:26:09 < dongs> coded by emeb
2017-04-20T10:26:10 < dongs> on stm32
2017-04-20T10:26:31 < dongs> uh oh standby please.
2017-04-20T10:26:37 < Steffanx> Emeb is more pro than that. At least some fgpa
2017-04-20T10:28:41 < dongs> ugh
2017-04-20T10:28:45 < dongs> why is that shit jitteringso badly
2017-04-20T10:35:51 < dongs> happy hitler birthday btw
2017-04-20T10:37:08 < ReadError> Nonono
2017-04-20T10:37:21 < ReadError> Stoneing day
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2017-04-20T10:41:37 < ReadError> According to some countries
2017-04-20T10:41:41 < ReadError> Nothing
2017-04-20T10:52:36 < dongs> how many balls
2017-04-20T10:54:02 < dongs> lol indian failed
2017-04-20T10:54:30 < dongs> <indian> ok. The reason is i am going to make a start up company in chennai, india
2017-04-20T10:54:33 < dongs> <indian> I am trying to get pjts from freelancers !
2017-04-20T10:54:36 < dongs> like, wuty?
2017-04-20T10:54:40 < dongs> i dont care about your shit, how about doing my project instead
2017-04-20T10:55:01 < dongs> truly free cancer
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2017-04-20T11:10:50 < dongs> you donwloaded the cretin update?
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2017-04-20T11:16:16 < dongs> whats it called
2017-04-20T11:16:44 < dongs> maybe its a replacement for windows livelolmail
2017-04-20T11:17:25 < dongs> trusted windows store app
2017-04-20T11:19:33 < dongs> lol trump
2017-04-20T11:26:43 < Steffanx> No that was after lb posted crap daily R2COM
2017-04-20T11:27:06 < Steffanx> Last to options are actually dedicated to lb ;)
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2017-04-20T11:52:24 < dongs> not a link dump? :(
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2017-04-20T12:31:20 < Steffanx> crt: https://g.co/kgs/UFjA8R
2017-04-20T12:32:25 < Steffanx> Its proper
2017-04-20T12:34:30 < Steffanx> I know you have seen it, but this vid needs reposts
2017-04-20T12:37:26 < Steffanx> Grumpy again crt ?
2017-04-20T12:38:24 < dongs> this better not be an AMP link
2017-04-20T12:39:21 < zyp> so this AMP stuff, is that only on mobile?
2017-04-20T12:40:13 < dongs> thankfully
2017-04-20T12:40:31 < dongs> i would instantly go to duckduckgo on desktop
2017-04-20T12:40:35 < dongs> if google tried to proxy my search results
2017-04-20T12:40:58 < zyp> ok, just wondering since I haven't encountered it myself as far as I know
2017-04-20T12:41:06 < dongs> do you never use google on phone>?
2017-04-20T12:41:15 < zyp> sure I do
2017-04-20T12:41:22 < dongs> then how can you not see it
2017-04-20T12:41:32 < zyp> idk, how do I tell?
2017-04-20T12:41:39 < dongs> it has a fucking amp lighting bolt
2017-04-20T12:41:41 < dongs> next to every result
2017-04-20T12:41:49 < dongs> and opens up in a retarded javascript viewer
2017-04-20T12:41:56 < dongs> with persistent second 'bar'
2017-04-20T12:42:01 < dongs> under the address bar
2017-04-20T12:42:07 < dongs> and shit is served from amp.google.com
2017-04-20T12:42:09 < dongs> instead of the real site
2017-04-20T12:42:39 < zyp> hmm, I just tried googling some random shit on phone, I can't see any lighting bolts
2017-04-20T12:42:45 < zyp> and I've never seen that other shit either
2017-04-20T12:42:47 < dongs> try searchin for cocks
2017-04-20T12:42:54 < dongs> are you using default google search thing?
2017-04-20T12:42:58 < dongs> or some custom page
2017-04-20T12:43:02 < dongs> i mean like search through url bar
2017-04-20T12:43:16 < dongs> results from shit like urbandictionary etc will be amped
2017-04-20T12:43:49 < zyp> oh, yeah, urbandictionary is the only amped result
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2017-04-20T12:44:17 < zyp> heh, never seen that before
2017-04-20T12:44:18 < dongs> pretty much all news results are now
2017-04-20T12:44:28 < dongs> like search north kroea or wahtever
2017-04-20T12:44:34 < dongs> and all the top news will be amp too
2017-04-20T12:44:42 < dongs> zyp, waht the fuck do you search for on mobile if youve never seen it
2017-04-20T12:44:52 < dongs> i mean other htan cocks
2017-04-20T12:44:57 < zyp> north korea gives me no amped results
2017-04-20T12:45:22 < dongs> CNN is amp
2017-04-20T12:45:27 < dongs> 1st link here after a bunch of google spam
2017-04-20T12:45:40 < zyp> oh, cnn isn't even on first page here
2017-04-20T12:46:19 < zyp> I get nytimes, telegraph, theguardian, etc.. and none of them are amped
2017-04-20T12:46:44 < zyp> found two cnn links on second page, those are not amped either
2017-04-20T12:46:56 < dongs> back to important stm32 things, can i use something like the limit/constrain macro with an enum?
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2017-04-20T12:47:06 < dongs> #define constrain(amt,low,high) ((amt)<(low)?(low):((amt)>(high)?(high):(amt)))
2017-04-20T12:47:10 < dongs> thhis arduino-like thing
2017-04-20T12:47:25 < dongs> but params with like val, enum_1st, enum_last
2017-04-20T12:47:27 < zyp> sure, enums folds to ints
2017-04-20T12:47:34 < dongs> ok so not uint right
2017-04-20T12:47:46 < dongs> good,.
2017-04-20T12:47:52 < zyp> uh, I think int in plain C
2017-04-20T12:48:08 < zyp> in C++11 you can explicitly specify the base type
2017-04-20T12:48:27 < zyp> but that doesn't matter, you'll only be comparing elements of the same enum, right?
2017-04-20T12:48:45 < zyp> or are you planning to have offset enums?
2017-04-20T12:49:14 < dongs> no this is input check before assigning it to enum
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2017-04-20T12:49:32 < dongs> so i wanna limit it to just the range of enum values.
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2017-04-20T12:53:51 < zyp> oh
2017-04-20T12:54:21 < zyp> well, if it's a plain enum starting at 0, just check that it's not negative and not >= last element
2017-04-20T12:54:36 < zyp> well, > last real element
2017-04-20T12:57:05 < dongs> yeah, so i just add fuck_LAST to the enums
2017-04-20T12:57:10 < dongs> and then that constrain() thing works as-is
2017-04-20T12:57:21 < dongs> constrain(value, FIRST, fuck_LAST)
2017-04-20T12:57:36 < dongs> hm no
2017-04-20T12:57:38 < dongs> i sdont heed _LAST then
2017-04-20T12:57:44 < dongs> just check against actual last value.
2017-04-20T12:57:55 < dongs> k easy. just annoying to maintain
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2017-04-20T13:03:51 < ohsix> huh still connected
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2017-04-20T13:09:11 < ReadError> dongs: https://github.com/cleanflight/cleanflight/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=retarded_arm&type=
2017-04-20T13:09:23 < ReadError> the only non SJW thing remaining
2017-04-20T13:09:45 < ReadError> pretty sure all the shit/fucks/etc got taken out
2017-04-20T13:10:13 < Steffanx> https://github.com/cleanflight/cleanflight/search?utf8=✓&q=retarded_amp&type= fixed it
2017-04-20T13:10:25 < dongs> fucking lol
2017-04-20T13:10:28 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-20T13:10:30 < dongs> Steffanx: actually lol'd out loud.
2017-04-20T13:11:20 < Steffanx> The bad thing is, i actually read amp instead of arm.
2017-04-20T13:12:03 < dongs> excellent
2017-04-20T13:13:49 < dongs> damn when the fuck is keil going to fix code navigation with armcland
2017-04-20T13:13:51 < dongs> armclang
2017-04-20T13:14:03 < dongs> it doesnt generate browse info so shit like go to declaration/definition are broken
2017-04-20T13:14:22 < dongs> ReadError: lol, tehy managed to fill so much garbage to bloat up entire flash?
2017-04-20T13:14:29 < dongs> retards.
2017-04-20T13:14:47 < ReadError> not sure, but i thought they where killing F1 shit off
2017-04-20T13:15:25 < dongs> page closed, back to work
2017-04-20T13:36:42 < dongs> lol AMD released some new budget cards
2017-04-20T13:36:47 < dongs> and they're getting buried by GTX1060
2017-04-20T13:36:55 < dongs> they should just stop trying
2017-04-20T13:37:01 < zyp> how does they compare on price? similar?
2017-04-20T13:37:05 < dongs> same price
2017-04-20T13:37:10 < zyp> heh
2017-04-20T13:37:14 < dongs> but much worse power consumptiuon
2017-04-20T13:37:17 < dongs> and worse performance
2017-04-20T13:37:19 < dongs> so ?????????
2017-04-20T13:37:22 < zyp> classic AMD
2017-04-20T13:38:03 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/C7kl9vN
2017-04-20T13:38:30 < dongs> yeah really wat
2017-04-20T13:38:34 < Laurenceb_> nice house
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2017-04-20T13:47:01 < Laurenceb_> happy 20th April
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2017-04-20T13:51:51 < dongs> damn what the shit CRC peripheral on F4 sucks compared to F3
2017-04-20T13:52:35 < dongs> also wtf is CRC->IDR?
2017-04-20T13:52:42 < dongs> free storage for 8bits?
2017-04-20T13:53:45 < zyp> yup
2017-04-20T13:53:56 < zyp> it's been made fun of a bunch of times before
2017-04-20T13:54:02 < dongs> yeah i recall the chats
2017-04-20T13:54:11 < dongs> does it have any actual purpose
2017-04-20T13:54:50 < zyp> not as far as I'm aware of
2017-04-20T13:55:05 < zyp> I mean, the reason we're making fun of it is that we can't figure out why it even exists
2017-04-20T14:06:12 < Laurenceb_> is hardware CRC even worth bothering with?
2017-04-20T14:06:24 < Laurenceb_> I mean CRC isnt exactly demanding to calculate?
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2017-04-20T14:08:05 < apo> Laurenceb_: I think you mean 'Happy 79th of February'
2017-04-20T14:08:27 < zyp> I believe you can use DMA with CRC, avoiding having to pass the data through the CPU at all
2017-04-20T14:09:07 < zyp> also, efficient CRC implementations are using a lookup table, so you have to keep those around
2017-04-20T14:09:53 < Laurenceb_> hmm i guess having dma is helpful yeah
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2017-04-20T14:10:22 < zyp> Also, since the buffer pointer may point to any byte aligned address, this field may be entirely superfluous, depending on the device driver architecture.
2017-04-20T14:10:31 < zyp> TI docs, about an offset field
2017-04-20T14:10:46 < zyp> since we're speaking about useless registers :p
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2017-04-20T14:45:40 < englishman> f4 crc is the one where you cant change the actual polynomial right
2017-04-20T14:45:57 < englishman> Laurenceb_ the hardware crc does it in 1 cycle per byte, pretty zippy.
2017-04-20T14:46:24 < englishman> good morning fellow innovators and professional inventors
2017-04-20T14:46:49 < dongs> englishman: right
2017-04-20T14:48:33 < zyp> question is, does it use the right polynomial?
2017-04-20T14:48:55 < dongs> i dont care for this shit, I'm just CRC'ing UID register to get a random-ish hash
2017-04-20T14:49:00 < zyp> (idk which one qualifies as right)
2017-04-20T14:49:08 < zyp> oh, heh
2017-04-20T14:49:17 < zyp> I'm just multiplying them
2017-04-20T14:49:31 < englishman> is uid itself not sufficiently random
2017-04-20T14:49:38 < dongs> its not 32bits
2017-04-20T14:49:40 < zyp> it's 96 bits
2017-04-20T14:49:54 < zyp> i.e. three words, and some words might be identical
2017-04-20T14:50:00 < englishman> the lower bits then, where it's wafer xy
2017-04-20T14:50:22 < zyp> works until you get two parts with the same xy from different wafers
2017-04-20T14:50:54 < dongs> your ID gets CLONED
2017-04-20T14:51:05 < zyp> might not necessarily be a major risk if collisions doesn't matter
2017-04-20T14:51:45 < zyp> for arcin I'm using it for usb serial, which is used to distinguish multiple boards plugged into same system
2017-04-20T14:52:26 < zyp> a collision might be inconvenient, but not the world's end, and the risk would be fairly low
2017-04-20T14:52:53 < zyp> but either way, I just use multiplication as a reduction func, works as long as no words are 0
2017-04-20T14:53:06 < dongs> lul
2017-04-20T14:53:18 < dongs> what if you're on wafer 0,0
2017-04-20T14:53:37 < zyp> wafers are round, so I asssume there's no part 0,0
2017-04-20T14:54:36 < dongs> ok so i have a usability question
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2017-04-20T14:54:42 < dongs> say you have an off timer on device
2017-04-20T14:54:45 < zyp> uselessability
2017-04-20T14:54:49 < dongs> you set it to 1hr
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2017-04-20T14:55:02 < dongs> 10 mins later, you change something else on device (like turn brighness up/down/whatever)
2017-04-20T14:55:12 < dongs> should offtimer reset to 1hr or remain at 50min
2017-04-20T14:55:32 < zyp> like a tv you forget before falling asleep?
2017-04-20T14:55:49 < zyp> will the setting be persistent or one time only?
2017-04-20T14:56:41 < dongs> it persists in the UI
2017-04-20T14:56:47 < dongs> but there's a countdown also
2017-04-20T14:56:58 < dongs> i'm thinking it should stay at 50
2017-04-20T14:57:16 < zyp> what's the purpose? "I want you to turn off in one hour exactly" or "I want you to turn off an hour after I stopped interacting"?
2017-04-20T14:57:16 < dongs> 'set off timer' => one action that I did once and expect shit to turn off in 1hr
2017-04-20T14:57:25 < dongs> 1hr after i set this
2017-04-20T14:57:37 < dongs> if 'stopepd interacting' then each action would reset offtimer
2017-04-20T14:57:46 < zyp> exactly
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2017-04-20T14:57:47 < dongs> to whateverUI has it (liek 1hr or hwaever)
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2017-04-20T14:57:53 < dongs> but which is the natural way for this kidna shit
2017-04-20T14:57:59 < zyp> I'd say either is fair depending on what the purpose is
2017-04-20T14:58:34 < zyp> consider how screensavers work, they reset countdown on every interaction
2017-04-20T14:58:55 < dongs> yeah but something like a water pump
2017-04-20T14:59:00 < dongs> 'turn off after 1 hour'
2017-04-20T14:59:11 < dongs> half an hour later, change how fast it pumps
2017-04-20T14:59:17 < zyp> then you probably set it to one hour because you only wanted it to run one hour
2017-04-20T14:59:22 < dongs> should it keep going for anohther hour or only 30 min
2017-04-20T14:59:32 < zyp> only 30 min
2017-04-20T14:59:42 < zyp> again, depending on purpose
2017-04-20T15:00:19 < zyp> if you're not sure, add another "reset countdown on interaction" toggle so the user can choose
2017-04-20T15:00:26 < englishman> resetting timer sounds dumb
2017-04-20T15:00:35 < englishman> at least separate the controls
2017-04-20T15:00:45 < englishman> sauna has a temperature control and separate timer
2017-04-20T15:01:29 < englishman> grow lights have intensity setting and separate timer
2017-04-20T15:01:30 < englishman> etc.
2017-04-20T15:02:18 < dongs> englishman: controls are separated
2017-04-20T15:02:56 < zyp> I guess the question is, why should it be turned off?
2017-04-20T15:03:50 < englishman> if controls are separated then adjusting one thing won't affect the timer
2017-04-20T15:04:01 < englishman> this sounds like your "windows moving windows without my consent" autism
2017-04-20T15:04:12 < englishman> why should adjusting one thing change timer without your consent
2017-04-20T15:04:17 < dongs> englishman: all parameters are sent over when changes are made
2017-04-20T15:04:18 < dongs> (any change)
2017-04-20T15:04:26 < dongs> so 1hr off-timer is also re-sent at that time
2017-04-20T15:04:56 < englishman> so there is no provision for "no change"
2017-04-20T15:05:02 < zyp> if I have a radio on my nightstand and set a 15 minute timer because I wanna listen to it while I fall asleep but not keep it on all night, and I change channels or something 14 minutes later, I wouldn't expect it to turn off a minute after I changed channels
2017-04-20T15:05:08 < englishman> and you want to know if you have to read-modify-write
2017-04-20T15:05:12 < dongs> well, i can easily handle it on reciving end
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2017-04-20T15:05:42 < englishman> really, i would entirely expect it to shut off
2017-04-20T15:05:44 < englishman> after 1min
2017-04-20T15:06:10 < englishman> radios and tvs used to all do that
2017-04-20T15:06:22 < zyp> I used to have a ip-radio, I forgot how that behaved
2017-04-20T15:06:27 < englishman> well i guess
2017-04-20T15:06:34 < englishman> is it an inactivity timer, or a sleep timer
2017-04-20T15:06:43 < zyp> yes
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2017-04-20T15:07:10 < englishman> sounds like a secret proj
2017-04-20T15:07:29 < zyp> nuclear launch timer
2017-04-20T15:07:36 < englishman> as we are withheld most of the facts and use case
2017-04-20T15:07:43 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-20T15:07:48 < englishman> are we contributing to terrorism
2017-04-20T15:08:04 < englishman> did you pick up north korea's nuclear program on freelancer
2017-04-20T15:08:41 < dongs> yes
2017-04-20T15:08:54 < dongs> no, this is a longterm dickstarter project ive been fucking wiht since about a year now
2017-04-20T15:10:51 < zyp> if this shit is time aware, you could translate "turn off in X min" into "turn off at time Y" on the sending side to avoid resetting on updates
2017-04-20T15:11:20 < zyp> but if you're not running RTC already, it's probably not a good enough reason to start to
2017-04-20T15:12:12 < dongs> anyway, so I think "off timer" should start (and not reset) the moment you specify it.
2017-04-20T15:12:18 < dongs> vs "inactivity timer" which would reset.
2017-04-20T15:15:30 < Laurenceb_> wtf HR offices
2017-04-20T15:15:44 < Laurenceb_> how do they manage to make everything not their fault, its amazing
2017-04-20T15:16:14 < Laurenceb_> the reason their macro ridden xls shit fails is my fault for not doing massively overcomplex config shit
2017-04-20T15:16:49 < Laurenceb_> PhD in ms office confirmed
2017-04-20T15:17:58 < zyp> dongs, that sounds like a reasonable conclusion
2017-04-20T15:18:40 < Laurenceb_> I need to lurn these skillz "what are you stupid or something?! surely everyone knows <autistic overcomplex shit>"
2017-04-20T15:19:13 < Laurenceb_> make everyone feel stupid and do you work for you
2017-04-20T15:35:05 < dongs> lol
2017-04-20T15:35:07 < dongs> garbage singler layer trash
2017-04-20T15:35:43 < dongs> Verilog/VHDL/FPGA Expert
2017-04-20T15:35:43 < dongs> VHDL,Verlog,Systemverilog,Xilinx ISE,Vivado, Altera Quartus, Vivado HLS
2017-04-20T15:36:31 < dongs> .. from egypt
2017-04-20T15:36:36 < dongs> do they evne have FPGAs in egypt
2017-04-20T15:37:22 < Laurenceb_> https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/04/20/128224/95-engineers-in-india-unfit-for-software-development-jobs-report
2017-04-20T15:37:24 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-04-20T15:37:38 < dongs> lul, Laurenceb_ how RELEVANT
2017-04-20T15:37:43 < dongs> i'm currently trying to hire indians
2017-04-20T15:42:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah you can lobotomise and drive them by wire
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2017-04-20T16:06:34 < Thorn> soyuz docking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdmHHpAsMVw
2017-04-20T16:07:09 < dongs> how long>?
2017-04-20T16:08:44 < dongs> 200 meters away
2017-04-20T16:09:30 < dongs> this egypt guy has like 300 reviews on freecancer
2017-04-20T16:09:31 < dongs> all about FPGA
2017-04-20T16:09:37 < dongs> but about 90% is useless homework
2017-04-20T16:09:43 < dongs> HALP WRITE 4 BIT ALU IN VHDL
2017-04-20T16:10:20 < dongs> cool core bro
2017-04-20T16:11:13 < dongs> lol not at the skill level I need
2017-04-20T16:15:05 < dongs> some data pumping over pcie
2017-04-20T16:16:19 < Thorn> sounds like you'd need a $1k+ board to do this project
2017-04-20T16:16:26 < dongs> neg
2017-04-20T16:16:43 < dongs> there's 3 vendors that can do pcie on ~$30 in china FPGA and devboards are <$300
2017-04-20T16:17:45 < dongs> see, i already done all the research
2017-04-20T16:18:21 < zyp> xilinx, altera and who?
2017-04-20T16:18:22 < dongs> 10 meters away
2017-04-20T16:18:24 < dongs> lattice
2017-04-20T16:18:28 < zyp> ah
2017-04-20T16:18:49 < dongs> crt: spartan 6lxt, lattice ecp3, and altera dickcloneIV
2017-04-20T16:19:29 < dongs> dickclone has hard ip, the rest are soft
2017-04-20T16:19:29 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-20T16:20:05 < Thorn> do you need to pay $$$ for dev tools to unlock the IP
2017-04-20T16:20:22 < dongs> no
2017-04-20T16:22:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/LOyij4n.jpg Laurenceb family dinner
2017-04-20T16:24:00 < dongs> in hell or in jail
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2017-04-20T16:25:08 < Thorn> what you do when you don't have ModelSim https://youtu.be/YW-_GkUguMM?t=2m41s
2017-04-20T16:28:13 < dongs> Google Talk will be replaced with Hangouts on June 26, 2017.
2017-04-20T16:28:15 < dongs> Tip: If you like the look of Google Talk, try the "dense roster" setting in Hangouts.
2017-04-20T16:28:52 < zyp> wat, I thought hangouts replaced google talk long ago, and they had some new shit to replace hangouts now
2017-04-20T16:29:08 < dongs> donno im getting this in my corp email
2017-04-20T16:29:17 < dongs> maybe thats slower to update
2017-04-20T16:29:38 < zyp> idk, I also use gapps
2017-04-20T16:34:08 < dongs> how the fuck do I do math on BCD shit
2017-04-20T16:34:28 < zyp> haha, go fuck yourself
2017-04-20T16:34:32 < zyp> that's how
2017-04-20T16:34:42 < zyp> BCD is retarded
2017-04-20T16:35:40 < dongs> i think ill just write bcd2dec() first.
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2017-04-20T16:38:07 < dongs> is that stvn
2017-04-20T16:39:05 < dongs> mine needs about a month to get to that length
2017-04-20T16:39:29 < dongs> tho ill porobably shave that shit off befor next week since I'm going outside to interact with humans
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2017-04-20T16:57:35 < Thorn> zyp: btw https://gist.github.com/pthorn/74b17d2aeb845af5d4669b5167245a30
2017-04-20T16:58:49 < zyp> what am I looking at?
2017-04-20T16:58:56 < dongs> looks like shit code to me
2017-04-20T16:59:05 < zyp> ah, closures, neat
2017-04-20T16:59:24 < Thorn> usb transfers
2017-04-20T16:59:47 < zyp> looks similar to what I've been imagining for my API rewrite
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2017-04-20T17:00:25 < zyp> will have to take a closer look later, just about to leave work now
2017-04-20T17:00:44 < Thorn> lots of crap in closure definition: [](MockHandler& self, BufferRxTransfer<3, MockHandler>& transfer) {}
2017-04-20T17:00:55 < Thorn> you have to repeat the handler class name and even the 3
2017-04-20T17:01:22 < Thorn> my c++fu is not strong enough to make this cleaner
2017-04-20T17:02:29 < dongs> cup noodles ramen shop
2017-04-20T17:02:52 < dongs> does this make sense for 24h timestamp compare? a - b and if negative, add 24
2017-04-20T17:04:14 < Thorn> on the plus side, I got rid of SetupResult::[NO_]DATA_STAGE, the driver can now see if the handler submitted a transfer or not (and assert() if it wasn't and wLength is > 0)
2017-04-20T17:05:09 < Thorn> *and assert if it didn't
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2017-04-20T17:10:55 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/EyD3usw.gifv
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2017-04-20T17:59:25 < Thorn> hatches about to open
2017-04-20T18:00:20 < englishman> kitten did nothing wrong
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2017-04-20T18:07:31 < dongs> RTC_IT_WUT
2017-04-20T18:07:32 < dongs> lol
2017-04-20T18:07:55 < Thorn> STUPCNT
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2017-04-20T18:21:38 < Laurenceb> crt comin to UK?
2017-04-20T18:25:17 < Thorn> it's opening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdmHHpAsMVw
2017-04-20T18:26:15 < Laurenceb> i see two balls and a hole
2017-04-20T18:26:24 < Laurenceb> and a russian
2017-04-20T18:26:29 < Laurenceb> rule 34 confirmed
2017-04-20T18:27:55 < Thorn> http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l505/MagicP101/KillerCreation-SmileyOriginal.png
2017-04-20T18:33:32 < branjb> >A day in the life:
2017-04-20T18:33:32 < branjb> The day usually begins with checking reports of over-night jobs and making a determination if any system requires immediate attention. Obviously, the incident queue will speed up the determination process so the UNIX admin will also have the duty to respond to incidents during business hours regardless if they are on-call or not.
2017-04-20T18:33:49 < branjb> >The exciting part of the job is mostly determined by challenges presented by projects and incidents. In a healthcare environment sometimes the application drives the technology.
2017-04-20T18:33:51 < branjb> wtf
2017-04-20T18:34:21 < branjb> that doesn't seem exciting
2017-04-20T18:34:58 < Laurenceb> lul sounds depressing
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2017-04-20T18:36:23 < branjb> i'm thinking i should aim for defense industry
2017-04-20T18:36:28 < branjb> can't outsource that
2017-04-20T18:36:52 < Laurenceb> it's very boring
2017-04-20T18:36:57 < Laurenceb> I worked there for a year
2017-04-20T18:37:04 < branjb> what type of job?
2017-04-20T18:37:14 < englishman> why not work for tesla
2017-04-20T18:37:14 < branjb> all the digital design/fpga jobs i can find are only defense sector
2017-04-20T18:37:18 < englishman> 55k/year but GREAT EXPERIENCE
2017-04-20T18:37:19 < Laurenceb> working 9-5 in large open plan office with about 1k staff
2017-04-20T18:37:27 < Laurenceb> writing requirement specifications
2017-04-20T18:37:31 < Laurenceb> of about 100k pages
2017-04-20T18:37:35 < branjb> lol
2017-04-20T18:37:37 < branjb> shit
2017-04-20T18:37:51 < englishman> space seemed like a cool sector
2017-04-20T18:37:55 < gxti> open floorplan is hell
2017-04-20T18:37:57 < englishman> teams of ~20
2017-04-20T18:37:58 < branjb> yeah
2017-04-20T18:37:58 < Laurenceb> nope its also shit
2017-04-20T18:38:09 < Laurenceb> space == maybe something with happen in 30 years
2017-04-20T18:38:14 < gxti> what about glorious private space industry
2017-04-20T18:38:16 < branjb> space is slow and bogged down by red tape
2017-04-20T18:38:19 < branjb> at least the nasa side
2017-04-20T18:38:25 < englishman> whats nasa
2017-04-20T18:38:27 < Laurenceb> spacex == hope you enjoy ur $20k salary and work till 2am
2017-04-20T18:38:29 < englishman> they still do space stuff?
2017-04-20T18:38:44 < englishman> on their $5 trump budget
2017-04-20T18:38:47 < gxti> what about glorious north korean space industry
2017-04-20T18:38:52 < Laurenceb> hmm good plan
2017-04-20T18:39:01 < Laurenceb> maybe Kim will give me a jerb
2017-04-20T18:39:04 < englishman> apply to become a mailman branjb
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2017-04-20T18:39:06 < englishman> thats where its at
2017-04-20T18:39:12 < englishman> you can troll irc all afternoon
2017-04-20T18:39:16 < branjb> lol
2017-04-20T18:39:24 < englishman> keep innovation a low-pressure side thingy
2017-04-20T18:39:26 < Laurenceb> or a jiggalo
2017-04-20T18:39:27 < branjb> englishman our usps guy seems to love it
2017-04-20T18:39:30 < branjb> federal retirement
2017-04-20T18:39:30 < Laurenceb> however you spell it
2017-04-20T18:39:31 < englishman> yea
2017-04-20T18:39:31 < englishman> do it
2017-04-20T18:39:32 < branjb> chill job
2017-04-20T18:39:35 < branjb> good pay
2017-04-20T18:39:41 < branjb> too bad i fucking hate driving
2017-04-20T18:39:44 < englishman> you can buy your own dicknplace and can even afford KEIL
2017-04-20T18:39:49 < Laurenceb> I need a jerb atm :-/
2017-04-20T18:40:07 < Laurenceb> dunno if I should apply for shaken babby jerb
2017-04-20T18:40:18 < Laurenceb> its lame but pays
2017-04-20T18:40:23 < branjb> i was kinda thinking, if i enjoy embedded stuff and electronics at home as a hobby, do i really want it as a job too?
2017-04-20T18:40:35 < branjb> or should i just get some faggoty .NET job that pays well for work and do other shit at home for fun
2017-04-20T18:40:48 < englishman> depends on your employer.
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2017-04-20T18:41:23 < branjb> finding jobs in phoenix is turning into a pain, all job boards are just spammed with amazon/google/intel/apple job postings
2017-04-20T18:41:33 < branjb> are those the only ~tech companies~ left in the US?
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2017-04-20T18:41:49 < englishman> and startups with .io domain
2017-04-20T18:42:00 < englishman> or .ly as of 2016
2017-04-20T18:42:15 < branjb> i'm just browsing based on keywords like embedded, fpga, firmware, arm
2017-04-20T18:42:21 < branjb> haha
2017-04-20T18:43:10 < PaulFertser> How much time spent on everyday $job commuting you folks think it's worth spending?
2017-04-20T18:43:27 < englishman> $3.25
2017-04-20T18:43:32 < branjb> as little as possible
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2017-04-20T18:43:42 < PaulFertser> But what's maximum acceptable for you?
2017-04-20T18:44:00 < branjb> no more than 30 min commute
2017-04-20T18:44:12 < PaulFertser> englishman: time can not be directly measured in $ y'know
2017-04-20T18:44:20 < englishman> oh. i misread.
2017-04-20T18:45:03 < englishman> when i did 30min it was ok, but it was on metro so i could read
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2017-04-20T18:46:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/12/health/monogamy-sex-kerner/index.html
2017-04-20T18:47:21 < Thorn> nonogamy
2017-04-20T18:47:43 < Laurenceb> WHY AREN'T YOU A CUCK???
2017-04-20T18:48:55 < branjb> what do you guys think of these "18 month programs"
2017-04-20T18:49:02 < branjb> seems lots of semiconductor companies do them
2017-04-20T18:49:04 < branjb> TI, NXP
2017-04-20T18:49:23 < branjb> https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listing/entry-level-go-shadow-technical-talent-program-microcontrollers-nxp-semiconductors-JV_IC1133878_KO0,63_KE64,82.htm?jl=2378483605
2017-04-20T18:50:45 < englishman> can you ask to have a walking route as a usps letter carrier
2017-04-20T18:51:10 < englishman> driving those aluminium grummans around cant be that bad
2017-04-20T18:51:47 < branjb> problem is the summer in phoenix
2017-04-20T18:51:53 < branjb> i don't think those tin cans have AC
2017-04-20T18:52:24 < Rob235> how are you gonna carry enough mail/packages without a vehicle
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2017-04-20T18:59:55 < Laurenceb> canuck
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2017-04-20T19:13:44 < Laurenceb> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/20/mod_battlefield_delivery_drone_contract/
2017-04-20T19:18:05 < Steffanx> Go for it Laurenceb
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2017-04-20T19:37:21 < englishman> beep jpa-
2017-04-20T19:37:30 < englishman> how are required/optional fields handed in nanopb?
2017-04-20T19:37:34 < englishman> can't quite get optional to work
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2017-04-20T19:41:51 < dongs> http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16572783/ns/us_news-security/t/defense-dept-warns-about-canadian-spy-coins/ RIP englishman
2017-04-20T19:42:20 < dongs> your secret stm8 device has been found
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2017-04-20T19:51:57 < englishman> foiled again
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2017-04-20T19:57:27 < Laurenceb> spy coins
2017-04-20T19:57:32 < Laurenceb> what the fuck
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2017-04-20T20:01:36 < gxti> surveilliance shekels
2017-04-20T20:10:49 < Laurenceb> wonder if they can be used as rockoon trackers
2017-04-20T20:15:20 < sync_> just use radar
2017-04-20T20:16:56 < Laurenceb> not enough cross section
2017-04-20T20:17:26 < Laurenceb> anyway its a solved problem, 868mhz cw tracker will work
2017-04-20T20:17:41 < sync_> > not enough cross section
2017-04-20T20:17:43 < sync_> pls
2017-04-20T20:18:41 < Laurenceb> I'm assuming 400w and 20dBi yagi
2017-04-20T20:19:11 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31037.0;attach=1417485;sess=0
2017-04-20T20:20:08 < Laurenceb> peer reviewed ufo paper...
2017-04-20T20:44:19 < jpa-> englishman: optional fields generate has_field in the struct
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2017-04-20T20:50:38 < Laurenceb> https://therealityoftruth.com/the-film/
2017-04-20T20:50:43 < Laurenceb> what the actual fuck
2017-04-20T20:54:38 < Laurenceb> how high were they when they thought that was a good idea
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2017-04-20T21:11:39 < Steffanx> Blaxter (2017) said "why bother"
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2017-04-20T21:18:58 < wanderman> hi
2017-04-20T21:20:13 < Steffanx> long time no see
2017-04-20T21:20:26 < wanderman> hello
2017-04-20T21:21:28 < wanderman> i given up chip programmming
2017-04-20T21:21:45 < wanderman> messy chips
2017-04-20T21:22:41 < wanderman> i study forex bot programming instead
2017-04-20T21:22:44 < wanderman> :P
2017-04-20T21:24:43 < Steffanx> I wish you all the luck in the world.
2017-04-20T21:24:49 < Steffanx> and happiness
2017-04-20T21:24:53 < Steffanx> and joy
2017-04-20T21:24:59 < Ecco> wanderman: don't
2017-04-20T21:25:05 < Ecco> Guaranteed loss of money
2017-04-20T21:25:49 < wanderman> with normal bots 10% of monthly invest is garrenteed as profit.
2017-04-20T21:26:07 < Ecco> yeah right
2017-04-20T21:26:07 < emeryth> haha yeah
2017-04-20T21:26:59 < wanderman> i never done so far.
2017-04-20T21:27:09 < wanderman> :P
2017-04-20T21:27:13 < Ecco> take my word for it: don't waste your time on this
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2017-04-20T21:27:42 < wanderman> ok, ecco
2017-04-20T21:27:49 < wanderman> but, it is fun.
2017-04-20T21:27:58 < Ecco> That's a zero-sum game you're fighting with people with much, much more market means
2017-04-20T21:28:08 < Ecco> argh
2017-04-20T21:28:18 < wanderman> i do with paper money, it is fun
2017-04-20T21:28:19 < Ecco> *you're playing
2017-04-20T21:28:26 < Ecco> *with more means and market insights
2017-04-20T21:28:29 < Ecco> ok, then it's fun
2017-04-20T21:28:35 < Ecco> but kinda pointless though
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2017-04-20T21:29:05 < wanderman> yeah
2017-04-20T21:29:24 < wanderman> more meaningful than other poitness things i do
2017-04-20T21:29:31 < wanderman> pointless
2017-04-20T21:29:56 < wanderman> like learning, CMSIS API.
2017-04-20T21:30:24 < Ecco> :-D
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2017-04-20T21:32:31 < Steffanx> Better enjoy the nice blue sea/ocean around you wanderman
2017-04-20T21:33:13 < wanderman> at night, can't see it is blue
2017-04-20T21:33:50 < wanderman> got the time Steffanx
2017-04-20T21:34:04 < wanderman> what is the command you sent ?
2017-04-20T21:34:18 < Steffanx> Hah.
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2017-04-20T21:41:55 < wanderman> Steffanx,
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2017-04-20T21:42:34 < wanderman> hi jak o pot
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2017-04-20T22:05:59 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2017-04-20T22:06:01 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/DPRK_News?lang=en-gb
2017-04-20T22:08:31 < Steffanx> Blaxter (2017) said "why bother"
2017-04-20T22:15:31 < Steffanx> https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/53mr05/north_korea_accidentally_leaks_dns_for_kp_only_28/ twitter isnt one of them Laurenceb.
2017-04-20T22:15:32 < Laurenceb> one day I will be retweeted by DPRK
2017-04-20T22:18:03 < englishman> lol, trading bots.
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2017-04-20T23:03:03 < Ecco> :-D
2017-04-20T23:03:36 < Ecco> aka "the most convoluted way to give money to Goldman Sachs"
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2017-04-20T23:31:35 < ohsix_> bluh
2017-04-20T23:33:23 < ohsix_> can't reach home but i checked it all out last night
2017-04-20T23:33:53 < ohsix_> haaa
2017-04-20T23:33:56 < ohsix_> entry in /etc/hosts on craptop
2017-04-20T23:35:03 < ohsix> how do i internet
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2017-04-20T23:36:10 < ohsix> Laurenceb: who are you on twitter
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2017-04-21T00:01:46 < kakimir> how to change win10 build version?
2017-04-21T00:01:49 < kakimir> this one is sucky
2017-04-21T00:02:04 < Steffanx> Uhm what?
2017-04-21T00:03:57 < kakimir> it's a kind of potato
2017-04-21T00:04:16 < ohsix> is it an irish lumper
2017-04-21T00:04:18 < ohsix> with the blight
2017-04-21T00:05:08 < englishman> fast & furious 8, $550m opening weekend
2017-04-21T00:05:27 < englishman> this series just isnt going to die, ever
2017-04-21T00:05:28 < kakimir> anyone think they have made a few movies too much?
2017-04-21T00:06:11 < ohsix> there's something called credulous capture
2017-04-21T00:06:27 < ohsix> people don't actually care, they want something that will be mildly entertaining and inoffensive
2017-04-21T00:07:00 < kakimir> th
2017-04-21T00:07:15 < kakimir> main actors and actresses are like granpas already
2017-04-21T00:07:26 < kakimir> ffs
2017-04-21T00:08:09 < kakimir> maybe it reflects audience
2017-04-21T00:08:35 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWUlId0dkRXJrQ00/view?usp=sharing there is something wrong with my windows I think
2017-04-21T00:08:41 < kakimir> it says 2015
2017-04-21T00:09:06 < aandrew> word to the goat herd.
2017-04-21T00:09:27 < ohsix> 14:08 < Virigl2U> Back when I got started in computers, you had to know computer language inside and out, but now you fellows are so lucky you have programs to do the coding for you.
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2017-04-21T00:17:43 < Steffanx> Yes it has all weird long words kakimir
2017-04-21T00:20:05 < aandrew> lol
2017-04-21T00:20:16 < kakimir> https://www.facebook.com/antti.pendikainen/videos/1541301612549232/ we did ride today
2017-04-21T00:20:28 < aandrew> virigil's got it all figured out
2017-04-21T00:21:04 < kakimir> Steffanx: englishman look my friends it's working
2017-04-21T00:21:14 < kakimir> we only need to walk half the length
2017-04-21T00:21:30 < englishman> seksi
2017-04-21T00:22:25 < Steffanx> Are you redbeard kakimir ?
2017-04-21T00:22:35 < kakimir> my stuntman friend did some live entertainment about it
2017-04-21T00:22:45 < kakimir> redish
2017-04-21T00:23:23 < Steffanx> Oh you are not in the vid. But still cool :)
2017-04-21T00:23:51 < kakimir> I am
2017-04-21T00:24:05 < kakimir> the less talky guy
2017-04-21T00:24:09 < Steffanx> So you are redbeard.
2017-04-21T00:25:40 < kakimir> okay
2017-04-21T00:25:51 < Steffanx> How is the waffle stock?
2017-04-21T00:25:55 < Steffanx> Depleted?
2017-04-21T00:26:04 < kakimir> 5 waffles left
2017-04-21T00:26:11 < Steffanx> :)
2017-04-21T00:26:32 < Steffanx> 5 waffles away feom diabetes
2017-04-21T00:26:34 < Steffanx> From
2017-04-21T00:27:37 < kakimir> I think it's the rate off waffles per day not the total dosage
2017-04-21T00:29:11 < Steffanx> What did you change? Larger sail?
2017-04-21T00:29:37 < ohsix> love how facebook takes up 40 percent of the screen with a white box if you don't log in
2017-04-21T00:29:43 < Steffanx> Or just more wind?
2017-04-21T00:30:24 < ohsix> i'm a redbeard too, but it's burgundy, like the wine
2017-04-21T00:31:29 < kakimir> a lot more of wind
2017-04-21T00:31:36 < kakimir> I did actually go into wind too
2017-04-21T00:31:54 < kakimir> later as I sharpened the blades
2017-04-21T00:32:11 < Steffanx> It also looks less snowy
2017-04-21T00:32:17 < kakimir> it is
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2017-04-21T01:15:56 < ohsix> lulburgundytalk
2017-04-21T01:16:11 < ohsix> someone came in and was talking about how they like burgundy and the color of their car and shit
2017-04-21T01:16:13 < upgrdman> in altium op amp schematic symbol i found, they have vdd/gnd for all four op amps shown for each op amp. how do i hide those pins for op amp 2/3/4 but not op amp 1?
2017-04-21T01:16:33 < ohsix> for wat drc?
2017-04-21T01:16:41 < upgrdman> no just visibility
2017-04-21T01:16:48 < ohsix> o
2017-04-21T01:16:54 < upgrdman> if i hide the pin, it's hidden for ALL op amps, not just the one
2017-04-21T01:17:02 < ohsix> right
2017-04-21T01:17:27 < ohsix> fff there was something i wanted to tell you but i didn't put it in the buffer
2017-04-21T01:17:38 < ohsix> oh ya
2017-04-21T01:18:02 < ohsix> the shit i had from hp, the tx/rx parts were tenbux each, and they're generally expensive, i checked out a bunch
2017-04-21T01:18:30 < ohsix> even spdif connectors are like a buck each
2017-04-21T01:19:56 < ohsix> but, if you find a connector that isn't spdif it'll probably have a special receiver chip in it too, with pga and other shit built in
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2017-04-21T01:20:13 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-04-21T01:20:22 < ohsix> who are you on twitter Laurenceb
2017-04-21T01:20:33 < Laurenceb_> I'm not _that_ sad
2017-04-21T01:20:46 < ohsix> how can you be retweeted by dprk
2017-04-21T01:21:27 < upgrdman> oh found it
2017-04-21T01:21:32 < upgrdman> set pin owner to 1, instead of 0
2017-04-21T01:21:40 < upgrdman> so its only shows in op amp 1
2017-04-21T01:23:34 < Laurenceb_> hmm decisions decisions
2017-04-21T01:23:48 < Laurenceb_> need to decide if I should apply to DESIGNATED job
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2017-04-21T01:27:24 < Rob235> hello
2017-04-21T01:29:33 < Rob235> before I passed out I wrote 'I want to design robots' on facebook. That actually got 5 likes haha
2017-04-21T01:30:55 < Rob235> that's stm32 related, right?
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2017-04-21T01:49:33 < jadew> what a freaking stupid system
2017-04-21T01:49:34 < jadew> 10 boards = $10
2017-04-21T01:49:41 < jadew> 20 boards = $25
2017-04-21T01:50:16 < jadew> I guess I'll just have to order twice
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2017-04-21T02:03:21 < Laurenceb_> to be DESIGNATED or to be an honorary murican
2017-04-21T02:03:26 < Laurenceb_> that is the question
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2017-04-21T02:24:09 < Getty> i am really impressed by the logitech harmony
2017-04-21T02:24:40 < Getty> i actually do control everything now with it, including kodi (through bluetooth keyboard function)
2017-04-21T02:25:48 < jadew> ffs... now that I'm at the checkout, it asks for my address but it won't take it because there's a 35 characters limit
2017-04-21T02:26:05 < jadew> how the fuck are they going to send it to me if I can't give them my address
2017-04-21T02:26:55 < Getty> interface hell ;)
2017-04-21T02:27:36 < Getty> recently wanted to order food through one of our 2 great portals, and the shop actually added a product that you cant buy with some kinda miniloop about the addons, you cant like get it without addons but you cant add addons and such stuff
2017-04-21T02:28:00 < Getty> and it was their prime product 8-) when i called about it (cause i wanted it) they said they already wondered ;)
2017-04-21T02:29:18 < Laurenceb_> designated
2017-04-21T02:30:41 < Laurenceb_> my future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU
2017-04-21T02:36:02 < Laurenceb_> wtf I love ISIS now http://imgur.com/9G0LduP
2017-04-21T02:38:10 < jadew> Laurenceb_, I don't think that people that shit on the street have access to internet, or care about that video
2017-04-21T02:38:40 < aandrew> you'd be surprised
2017-04-21T02:38:50 < aandrew> that video totally sold me on not shitting on the street anymore
2017-04-21T02:38:56 < jadew> haha
2017-04-21T02:40:22 < srk> cool
2017-04-21T02:41:07 < srk> oh, scrollback. that was to tiny motors earlier
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2017-04-21T03:34:43 < jadew> any idea if I need a temperature controlled oven to cook some boards or can I just crank it up to 300 degrees and wait?
2017-04-21T03:35:10 < jadew> I mean, something that can enforce a temperature profile
2017-04-21T03:37:20 < jadew> also, how do I choose a good paste?
2017-04-21T03:37:31 < jadew> the one I have refuses to melt
2017-04-21T03:39:31 < englishman> i made a controlleo2 oven and it worked great
2017-04-21T03:39:45 < englishman> to not waste your time with small pitch parts you want to follow the reflow curve
2017-04-21T03:40:06 < englishman> on typical arduino trash with smallest component 1206 (if there's any smt at all) you can yolo in an oven
2017-04-21T03:42:15 < jadew> is that the best controller out there?
2017-04-21T03:43:02 < englishman> of course not
2017-04-21T03:43:07 < englishman> you can buy ovens for $20k
2017-04-21T03:43:32 < jadew> looks like you can buy them for as little as 300 too
2017-04-21T03:43:40 < jadew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Super-Reflow-Wave-Oven-DGC-Infrared-IC-Heater-PUHUI-T-962A-T962A-300-320mm-Area-with/32584524028.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.90.kITKVl&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10065_10151_10068_10136_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10148_10147_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10143_10051_10171_10084_10083_10080_10082_10
2017-04-21T03:43:41 < jadew> 081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10032_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10123_10124,searchweb201603_9,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_3&btsid=a06d3128-2ec5-40a1-ad0f-3db8cb35ec48&algo_expid=4ee6e23e-b8e0-48e2-8211-771ec1d01332-11&algo_pvid=4ee6e23e-b8e0-48e2-8211-771ec1d01332
2017-04-21T03:43:43 < jadew> oh crap
2017-04-21T03:43:45 < jadew> lol
2017-04-21T03:43:56 < englishman> t962 is well known chinabox
2017-04-21T03:44:01 < englishman> there is some opensores firmware for it
2017-04-21T03:44:07 < jadew> is it good?
2017-04-21T03:44:15 < jadew> I already have an oven, but it's kind of chunky
2017-04-21T03:44:15 < englishman> isnt that relative
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2017-04-21T03:49:13 < jadew> woah, $220: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T962-Infrared-SMD-Micro-computer-Setup-Reflow-Oven-Soldering-Area-180-235mm-/281732897865
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2017-04-21T04:15:35 < dongs> https://videos.funker530.com/bitmotive/public/funker530/v1.0/videos/funker530/fd33492c38acfd91a5d1f2d5f8f7d2e5/854x480.mp4?_=1
2017-04-21T04:16:06 < dongs> < jadew> woah, $220:
2017-04-21T04:16:15 < dongs> thats teh exploding / self-burning garbage
2017-04-21T04:16:21 < dongs> i wouldn't want it for $22
2017-04-21T04:16:29 < dongs> you can have mine if you pay shipping
2017-04-21T04:16:36 < dongs> guaranteed to burn your house down
2017-04-21T04:16:39 < jadew> haha
2017-04-21T04:16:53 < jadew> is it that bad?
2017-04-21T04:17:04 < dongs> apparently if you fix it up with new firmware and add soem more thermocouples and shit its not THAT bad
2017-04-21T04:17:15 < jadew> yeah, I found a video about that
2017-04-21T04:17:17 < dongs> there's a fairly active opensores firmware fork for it
2017-04-21T04:17:19 < englishman> haha that fan man trying to fly a plane
2017-04-21T04:17:21 < englishman> fat man
2017-04-21T04:17:30 < englishman> DPRK will soon own all of nippon
2017-04-21T04:17:37 < dongs> ya i cant wait
2017-04-21T04:17:54 < englishman> o yea that t962 you have to add your own heat shielding
2017-04-21T04:17:55 < jadew> dongs, do you have other recommendations?
2017-04-21T04:17:56 < englishman> or something
2017-04-21T04:18:05 < dongs> jadew: not in your budget, no
2017-04-21T04:18:26 < jadew> then I guess I'll have to get that one and make the mods
2017-04-21T04:18:34 < dongs> englishman: yeah, if you spend time to make it work, it should be OK
2017-04-21T04:19:46 < jadew> it's either that or I try to add a controller to my shitty oven, which smells like burnt shit even after having it working for hours
2017-04-21T04:20:02 < jadew> I had to keep it outside the house, because it made an awful smoke
2017-04-21T04:20:07 < jadew> I doubt it's worse than that
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2017-04-21T04:32:23 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnyB9btlhS8
2017-04-21T04:32:24 < dongs> lol japs
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2017-04-21T04:33:11 < jadew> saw that a couple of days ago
2017-04-21T04:33:17 < jadew> not sure what the applications are
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2017-04-21T04:36:01 < dongs> replacing crt's job i guess
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2017-04-21T04:43:00 < dongs> not since japs replaced you
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2017-04-21T05:51:54 < upgrdman> lame
2017-04-21T05:52:23 < dongs> yea wat
2017-04-21T05:52:31 < dongs> funny level: stoned R2COM
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2017-04-21T06:06:17 < dongs> normal
2017-04-21T06:06:21 < dongs> a bit on the high side
2017-04-21T06:06:41 < dongs> about 3kg of wires/pins cost me something like 25 few days ago
2017-04-21T06:07:27 < dongs> anyway, not too bad
2017-04-21T06:20:42 < dongs> do yall know altidumb is making some "pro" PCB layout shit?
2017-04-21T06:21:37 < dongs> i forgot waht teh shit it was  c alled
2017-04-21T06:21:38 < dongs> a-something
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2017-04-21T06:32:06 < upgrdman> dongs, pro as in what? a good autorouter?
2017-04-21T06:40:19 < dongs> no, pro as in super pro
2017-04-21T06:40:22 < dongs> i cant fucking remember teh name
2017-04-21T06:40:25 < dongs> it was altium am-something
2017-04-21T06:42:05 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/copyrights-and-trademarks wtf its not in their trademarks list
2017-04-21T06:42:08 < dongs> i know ive seen it
2017-04-21T06:44:48 < upgrdman> R2COM, my hacked flir e4 is nice, but i think those phonecams are better now
2017-04-21T06:44:57 < dongs> thermapp > *
2017-04-21T06:45:02 < upgrdman> ya that
2017-04-21T06:45:16 < upgrdman> is thermapp >8fps?
2017-04-21T06:45:22 < dongs> it can be if you pay
2017-04-21T06:45:35 < upgrdman> software upgrade? or hw
2017-04-21T06:46:01 < dongs> fuck
2017-04-21T06:46:02 < dongs> found
2017-04-21T06:46:05 < dongs> Altium ATINA
2017-04-21T06:46:24 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/resources/investor-announcement/2016_chairmans_address_asx_version_final.pdf
2017-04-21T06:46:27 < dongs> In early calendar 2017, Altium will release ATINA, our high-end PCB product. ATINA has been under
2017-04-21T06:46:30 < dongs> development for several years and will usher in a new era of performance and capability for power users and
2017-04-21T06:46:34 < dongs> In early calendar 2017, Altium will release ATINA, our high-end PCB product. ATINA has been under
2017-04-21T06:46:37 < dongs> development for several years and will usher in a new era of performance and capability for power users and
2017-04-21T06:46:40 < dongs> high-end customers of Altium. Running on Altium’s next generation PCB platform, ATINA will deliver new levels
2017-04-21T06:46:44 < dongs> of capability in user experience, enterprise level collaboration, 3D graphics and multi-board systems.
2017-04-21T06:49:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/kJDtzxt.jpg retweet
2017-04-21T06:49:50 < dongs> FLIR TG130 Spot Thermal Camera 80 x 60 Resolution/9Hz
2017-04-21T06:49:51 < dongs> trash.
2017-04-21T06:49:53 < dongs> is wat it is.
2017-04-21T06:51:31 < englishman> https://www.amazon.com/r2com-is-dumb/dp/B00837ZGRY
2017-04-21T06:54:34 < upgrdman> lol china  http://i.imgur.com/EUq4tiV.gifv
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2017-04-21T07:14:25 < dongs> what the shit are you autisming?
2017-04-21T07:14:29 < dongs> new brake lights ?
2017-04-21T07:14:35 < dongs> did you order those things from aliexperss or whatever?
2017-04-21T07:15:46 < dongs> were tehy in red?
2017-04-21T07:15:52 < dongs> or is that warm white
2017-04-21T07:15:54 < dongs> or wahtever
2017-04-21T07:15:58 < dongs> and youre just using red reflector
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2017-04-21T07:35:16 < dongs> wat lol
2017-04-21T07:35:22 < dongs> why dont you wikipedo how microbolometer works
2017-04-21T07:42:34 < dongs> when you read 12bit adc with 3.3V ref and youre reading 2047, whats the input voltage?
2017-04-21T07:43:51 < dongs> 1<<12 is 4096
2017-04-21T07:44:08 < dongs> anyway, my point is you know reference and the value read, and its a simple linear formula
2017-04-21T07:45:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, theres a transfer function that maps ADC values to degrees C
2017-04-21T07:45:55 < dongs> R2COM: yes, sure
2017-04-21T07:46:03 < upgrdman> prolly not linear, but who care
2017-04-21T07:46:20 < dongs> at least, the software of the camera can. once it applies color tint you are probably losing some precision but its close enough
2017-04-21T07:46:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FudX5m3.jpg
2017-04-21T07:47:06 < dongs> thats why shit like this has a gradient graph on top
2017-04-21T07:47:19 < upgrdman> wuts dat, drill press?
2017-04-21T07:47:29 < dongs> thats pretty much your direct relationship of color ->temp
2017-04-21T07:47:37 < dongs> upgrdman: industrial drum washer
2017-04-21T07:47:44 < upgrdman> ah
2017-04-21T07:48:06 < dongs> that belt blew few months ago
2017-04-21T07:48:12 < dongs> i think it was overtightened or somethign
2017-04-21T07:48:15 < dongs> or just old as fuck
2017-04-21T07:48:20 < dongs> replaced it and stuff is back to working
2017-04-21T07:48:46 < dongs> says thermapp right in the pic
2017-04-21T07:48:54 < dongs> the jewcam
2017-04-21T07:48:55 < dongs> with paypal
2017-04-21T07:48:59 < dongs> highly recommended
2017-04-21T07:49:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/B3X1H5s.jpg
2017-04-21T07:50:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7mHwepY.jpg
2017-04-21T07:50:06 < dongs> i dont own ifaggot so no idea
2017-04-21T07:50:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/bOywts3.jpg this is ~same priced $FLIR
2017-04-21T07:50:58 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/LE8iR8G.jpg
2017-04-21T07:51:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ji1Z3MG.jpg
2017-04-21T07:51:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/otWqU3v.jpg
2017-04-21T07:51:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XS6CUHu.jpg
2017-04-21T07:51:33 < dongs> R2COM: i donno it was on sale for 950 or something when I got it
2017-04-21T07:51:35 < dongs> yes
2017-04-21T07:51:46 < dongs> thats a steal for the resolution/quality
2017-04-21T07:51:53 < dongs> yes, you linked trash
2017-04-21T07:52:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, you get what you pay for. if you think you might seriously use it, dont cheap out
2017-04-21T07:52:33 < dongs> http://assets.tequipment.net/assets/1/7/MainFCKEditorDimension/TG165_Boiler_Heat.jpg
2017-04-21T07:52:46 < dongs> this is your shit
2017-04-21T07:53:02 < dongs> wait no
2017-04-21T07:53:04 < dongs> thats the higher end one
2017-04-21T07:53:29 < dongs> http://www.testoon.com/images_spaw/Images_produits/Flir/FLI%20TG130_screenshot-ex.jpg
2017-04-21T07:53:47 < dongs> http://www.flir.com/uploadedImages/Store/Products/Instruments/TG13x/Overheating-Dimmer-Switch.jpg
2017-04-21T07:53:52 < dongs> this looks like compleete trash
2017-04-21T07:54:01 < dongs> might as well just throw away $360
2017-04-21T07:54:05 < dongs> instead of buying that
2017-04-21T07:55:31 < dongs> maybe you can hire a paki
2017-04-21T07:55:34 < dongs> to write some code for you
2017-04-21T07:55:47 < dongs> but that lepton thing is in a bunch of thier cams
2017-04-21T07:55:52 < dongs> i think its also 80x60 or wahtever
2017-04-21T07:56:14 < dongs> R2COM: this new guy bid on my shit
2017-04-21T07:56:56 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/RakicDejan.html
2017-04-21T07:57:19 < dongs> if you already have that dickfun thing, dont spend a single penny on anything else
2017-04-21T07:57:26 < dongs> because that is literally waht you get in t hat $360 cam
2017-04-21T07:57:29 < dongs> plus an enclosure
2017-04-21T07:57:38 < dongs> so just connect the shit and try to get some pics out
2017-04-21T07:58:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/ITbeckham7.html uhh and this guy
2017-04-21T07:58:47 < dongs> why is this faggot bidding on FPGA proj
2017-04-21T07:58:57 < dongs> his main skillz are PHP and java
2017-04-21T07:59:06 < dongs> > And I have enough knowledge and experience in Microcontroller, Embeded System, Circuit design, Arduino.
2017-04-21T07:59:09 < dongs> snort
2017-04-21T07:59:26 < dongs> my main gig is php, but sometimes I open a drawer with a dusty arduino pro mini inside of it
2017-04-21T07:59:58 < dongs> ya that serb guy looks most legit so far IF his profile isn't bullshit
2017-04-21T08:00:18 < dongs> but he hasn't completed any work on the site so..
2017-04-21T08:00:19 < dongs> who knows
2017-04-21T08:00:37 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/ahmedmohamed85.html this guy messaged me but said hes outside
2017-04-21T08:00:41 < dongs> which waw hours ago
2017-04-21T08:00:56 < dongs> haha
2017-04-21T08:01:33 < dongs> yeah, ikr? i thought all they had there was pyramids
2017-04-21T08:01:40 < dongs> advanced fpgas stuff? no way
2017-04-21T08:03:16 < dongs> Dear Sir! I read your proposal and i am interested in your job In my opinion "Quality is never an accident.". You can check my reviews and understand that.
2017-04-21T08:03:19 < dongs> My first aim to provide u quality and professional task. My main skill is prefer to your project. It will really be a great opportunity for us in working with you on this project!
2017-04-21T08:03:23 < dongs> I believe in Quality and accuracy of work. That's why "The work satisfaction of employer is more important for me", and can carry out your any proposal in time completely.
2017-04-21T08:03:26 < dongs> I look forward for working with you. I hope you are successful. Thanks. Good Bye!
2017-04-21T08:03:30 < dongs> ^ itbekham
2017-04-21T08:03:32 < dongs> like, how about totally not reading my job description
2017-04-21T08:03:35 < dongs> what the fuck?
2017-04-21T08:05:06 < dongs> dong gang
2017-04-21T08:05:15 < upgrdman> i wonder if there are like 3rd world guys on freelancer that went from poor to upper-class-in-their-shithole-country from freelancing
2017-04-21T08:05:23 < dongs> haha
2017-04-21T08:05:32 < dongs> lemme show you one of those..
2017-04-21T08:05:55 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/COPY-BATCH-FILE/
2017-04-21T08:06:44 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-21T08:07:23 < upgrdman> and required skills for that job "php, python"
2017-04-21T08:08:05 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/albertnguyen08.html this guy
2017-04-21T08:08:14 < dongs> hmm no he has less reviews than i thought last time
2017-04-21T08:08:23 < dongs> anyway, hes picking up a bunc hof jobs from newhaven display
2017-04-21T08:08:30 < dongs> you ever get spam from newhaven?
2017-04-21T08:08:35 < dongs> about their shitty lcd modules etc
2017-04-21T08:08:38 < dongs> most of them are made by that guy
2017-04-21T08:08:44 < dongs> meanwhile they claim all thier shit is designed/made in USA
2017-04-21T08:08:45 < dongs> lolo
2017-04-21T08:09:30 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-21T08:09:32 < dongs> http://www.newhavendisplay.com/
2017-04-21T08:09:39 < upgrdman> we're using a NH i2c lcd at work
2017-04-21T08:09:48 < dongs> USA manufacturing and assembly is performed on select products at our Elgin, Illinois headquarters. The remainder of our display products are manufactured at our partner production centers in Mainland China and Taiwan. All of our production centers are state-of-the-art with extensive experience in display development. We work closely with our production centers to ensure that our products meet all requirements of proper design and quality standards.
2017-04-21T08:10:00 < dongs> upgrdman: you can feel good that youre feeding a random viet with your puchase
2017-04-21T08:10:05 < upgrdman> yes
2017-04-21T08:10:31 < upgrdman> well i gotta say, the NH datasheet for the lcd we use sure feels chinese
2017-04-21T08:10:37 < dongs> haha
2017-04-21T08:10:49 < dongs> bbbut... it was designed in usa, honest
2017-04-21T08:10:55 < upgrdman> rite
2017-04-21T08:11:19 < upgrdman> he is viet living in liet
2017-04-21T08:11:21 < upgrdman> viet*
2017-04-21T08:11:24 < dongs> ^
2017-04-21T08:11:42 < dongs> https://cdn3.f-cdn.com//files/download/38823088/e1f7be.jpg
2017-04-21T08:11:47 < dongs> for $20/hr he will route this for you
2017-04-21T08:12:08 < dongs> or probably a lot less
2017-04-21T08:12:24 < dongs> looks like hes using pro softwaer soft
2017-04-21T08:13:34 < upgrdman> i wonder how the "per hour" works tho. like if it took him 2hrs and he bills for 4...
2017-04-21T08:13:44 < upgrdman> is it more "per job" than hr?
2017-04-21T08:14:10 < upgrdman> R2COM, ya but who checks
2017-04-21T08:14:35 < upgrdman> ya, so per project bascially
2017-04-21T08:15:05 < upgrdman> htf does proehct != progress
2017-04-21T08:15:10 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-21T08:15:37 < upgrdman> seems kinda retarded then. might as well just quote the total price
2017-04-21T08:15:49 < upgrdman> "i'll do it for tree fiddy"
2017-04-21T08:15:59 < dongs> upgrdman: theres a freecancer app
2017-04-21T08:16:02 < dongs> that you are supposed to use
2017-04-21T08:16:04 < dongs> to bill hours
2017-04-21T08:16:09 < dongs> to prevent troling
2017-04-21T08:16:12 < upgrdman> so like clock in clock out?
2017-04-21T08:16:14 < dongs> yeh
2017-04-21T08:16:18 < upgrdman> but how does it know your not jacking off
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2017-04-21T08:28:00 < dongs> does it?
2017-04-21T08:28:03 < dongs> like per proiject?
2017-04-21T08:34:32 < dongs> http://www.fedevel.com/welldoneblog/2011/07/do-you-know-how-long-schematic-design-and-pcb-layout-take/
2017-04-21T08:34:37 < dongs> hm im not finding any stats in altidumb
2017-04-21T08:34:40 < dongs> for hours spent on proj x
2017-04-21T08:39:52 < upgrdman> R2COM, whatre you using, allegro?
2017-04-21T08:43:59 < dongs> https://www.linkedin.com/in/dejan-rakic-91021a4/
2017-04-21T08:44:24 < dongs> hmm
2017-04-21T08:44:28 < dongs> this guy looks totally legit
2017-04-21T08:45:34 < dongs> where do i know that
2017-04-21T08:45:51 < dongs> http://www.bitgear.rs/
2017-04-21T08:46:04 < dongs> they coulda trolled the domain and just did bitgea.rs
2017-04-21T08:46:23 < dongs> < R2COM> no recommendations on linkedin though
2017-04-21T08:46:27 < dongs> where do i see this recommendation
2017-04-21T08:46:35 < dongs> i dont use dicked in much
2017-04-21T08:46:44 < dongs> he has like 25 endorsements for FPGA
2017-04-21T08:46:48 < dongs> is that not same as recommendation?
2017-04-21T08:47:28 < dongs> ah okay
2017-04-21T08:47:31 < dongs> well, hes been at same place for 10 eyars
2017-04-21T08:47:39 < dongs> they have an INNOVATION LAB
2017-04-21T08:47:48 < dongs> Innovation is what we do for living. This is our spiritus movens. In our lab, we materialize our own ideas and develop new technologies. We are actively looking for partners that share our passion.
2017-04-21T08:48:50 < dongs> Blockchain
2017-04-21T08:48:50 < dongs> We innovate in applying blockchain technology to IoT world. We develop secure edge-of-network devices for interfacing physical world with blockchain backbone.
2017-04-21T08:48:54 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-04-21T08:49:05 < dongs> buttchain
2017-04-21T08:49:29 < ohsix> sup
2017-04-21T08:49:32 < dongs> hmm i think that guy is the only guy in bitgear
2017-04-21T08:49:33 < dongs> lol
2017-04-21T08:49:34 < ohsix> ok bye
2017-04-21T08:49:43 < dongs> thats his scamshoppe
2017-04-21T08:50:00 < dongs> Bitgear is ranked number 10 in The Deloitte Technology Rising Stars category with it's 387% revenue growth between 2008 and 2010 thus being the only Serbian company to make on the list in that category.
2017-04-21T08:51:20 < dongs> WE ARE SET TO BECOME A WORLD CLASS INNOVATION PARTNER ABLE TO CONCEPTUALIZE, ENGINEER AND VIVIFY EVEN THE MOST COMPLICATED AND ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE PRODUCTS.
2017-04-21T08:51:31 < ohsix> this reminds me of something, 15:49 < jadew> 20 boards = $25 15:50 < jadew> I guess I'll just have to order twice
2017-04-21T08:51:36 < dongs> first time hearing 'vivify'
2017-04-21T08:52:08 < ohsix> ReadError: you can find out who is the same seller with a different name on aliexpress by adding a number of items that makes it kick over to requiring shipping. they don't vary those numbers
2017-04-21T08:53:25 < ohsix> jadew: heh the t962 is the one the lab has
2017-04-21T08:53:43 < dongs> thats his website
2017-04-21T08:54:14 < dongs> http://www.bitgear.rs/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/image7.png
2017-04-21T08:54:39 < ohsix> i remembered when they added a bitcoin miner to the stm32 and we all stopped being interesting
2017-04-21T08:55:31 < dongs> http://www.bitgear.rs/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/image5.png
2017-04-21T08:56:03 < dongs> http://www.bitgear.rs/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/TW_2995--1084x610.png heh atmel in the center
2017-04-21T08:57:40 < dongs> those untented vias tho
2017-04-21T08:57:41 < dongs> annoying
2017-04-21T08:59:42 < dongs> no, in the altidumb screenshot
2017-04-21T08:59:48 < dongs> image7
2017-04-21T09:00:05 < dongs> those vias in teh center of caps
2017-04-21T09:00:13 < dongs> look like thermal pad for something on the bottom
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2017-04-21T09:17:22 < ohsix> i love how wire is sold on ebay/ali
2017-04-21T09:17:48 < ohsix> flat, squat, no spools
2017-04-21T09:19:05 < dongs> R2COM: saits row 2 is free on steam
2017-04-21T09:19:09 < ohsix> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1eukSOVXXXXcqaXXXq6xXFXXXY/2-core-22AWG-Speaker-wire-copper-Internal-speaker-cable-electric-wire-audio-cable-for-amplifier-Divider.jpg it's easier to use it this way too, unspools from the center, just have it on the floor
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2017-04-21T09:25:25 < zyp> ohsix, wouldn't it become a twisted mess if you did that?
2017-04-21T09:25:38 < dongs> it would be if amp!six did it
2017-04-21T09:25:53 < dongs> twisted mess of autism
2017-04-21T09:25:58 < dongs> zyp, stencil for your shit is done
2017-04-21T09:26:08 < dongs> (apparently that wasnt done either)
2017-04-21T09:26:08 < dongs> LOL
2017-04-21T09:26:21 < zyp> nice
2017-04-21T09:26:24 < dongs> i just kept putting this hsit off cuz every time I see PCB1.txt
2017-04-21T09:26:27 < dongs> i fucking want to stab you
2017-04-21T09:26:29 < dongs> over the internet
2017-04-21T09:26:33 < zyp> hahaha
2017-04-21T09:26:53 < dongs> like literally I open that project folder, see pcb1.shit and go fuck this, i find something else to do for today
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2017-04-21T09:38:45 < ohsix> zyp: it could
2017-04-21T09:39:08 < ohsix> depends on how fast you're using it
2017-04-21T09:39:26 < ohsix> let me find some pictures to illustrate
2017-04-21T09:43:35 < ohsix> i was thinking of the use and handling of baling wire, but it looks like they use formers too
2017-04-21T09:45:29 < ohsix> spools are butts if you're feeding a machine
2017-04-21T09:46:57 < ohsix> romex comes packaged like that, and they hang the shit on this kind of thing https://www.licensedelectrician.com/Store/RT/Images/Wire-Pod_400.jpg
2017-04-21T09:46:58 < ohsix> shrug
2017-04-21T09:47:34 < ohsix> would have sworn i'd seen it done from bundles that size (2000ft) without any support, but i guess not
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2017-04-21T09:52:48 < ohsix> this kind of shit is the thing that is harder to find as google improves
2017-04-21T09:53:03 < ohsix> you literally want what you're describing, no fancy machine vision and clustering shit
2017-04-21T09:58:08 < ohsix> looking at all that baling wire, makes me want to get a spot welder and make 3d hulls with it :D
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2017-04-21T10:00:55 < ohsix> http://foundation3d.myblog.arts.ac.uk/files/2012/05/7beed1.jpg wire doggo
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2017-04-21T10:20:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/software-development/would-like-hire-PCB-Layout-13790870/
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2017-04-21T10:23:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Look-for-some-one-help/
2017-04-21T10:25:52 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/sagradoamicus.html i think this is the guy who makes a living off freecancer
2017-04-21T10:42:22 < dongs> englishman: 600 for stencil dicker. i told my pal he';s insane
2017-04-21T10:43:26 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/162448813634 ... wat
2017-04-21T10:47:11 < dongs> FUCKING CUNT
2017-04-21T10:47:18 < dongs> chrome crashed again moving across monitors
2017-04-21T10:47:35 < dongs> time to fire up AMP and see what the fuck is up with this
2017-04-21T10:52:42 < Steffanx> Gpu issues?
2017-04-21T10:53:10 < dongs> no idea
2017-04-21T10:53:13 < dongs> i onyl use pro GPUs
2017-04-21T10:53:18 < dongs> Quadro K1200
2017-04-21T10:57:03 < Steffanx> Oh that thing is cheaper than i expected
2017-04-21T10:57:47 < dongs> its like 3 gen old now
2017-04-21T10:57:50 < dongs> i need to get P2000 to replace it
2017-04-21T10:57:59 < dongs> but it works fine for altidumb trolling
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2017-04-21T14:01:36 < englishman> dongs: lol you mean shipping?
2017-04-21T14:02:04 < englishman> msword didnt autosave an open document, windows rebooted for update, wifeishman lost 5 days of work
2017-04-21T14:02:12 < englishman> auto update kills people
2017-04-21T14:02:45 < englishman> no wonder macfag shit and googleesque online office programs are so popular
2017-04-21T14:04:56 < Laurenceb_> lul auto reboot
2017-04-21T14:05:12 < Laurenceb_> but what is ctrl-s
2017-04-21T14:05:37 < englishman> dont need to do that at all with online shits
2017-04-21T14:06:05 < Laurenceb_> but you can say hi to NSA
2017-04-21T14:06:15 < sync_> who cares
2017-04-21T14:06:20 < Steffanx> englishman: i believe ms word always auto saved secretly
2017-04-21T14:06:20 < englishman> who cares
2017-04-21T14:06:25 < englishman> yea Steffanx
2017-04-21T14:06:32 < englishman> there is nothing in unsafed files folder
2017-04-21T14:06:33 < Laurenceb_> when I worked in defence I had to sit next to MI6
2017-04-21T14:06:37 < Laurenceb_> shit sucked
2017-04-21T14:06:39 < englishman> not even with undelete prog
2017-04-21T14:06:40 < Laurenceb_> no 8chan for me
2017-04-21T14:07:03 < Steffanx> No .asd? Im surprised
2017-04-21T14:07:07 < englishman> none
2017-04-21T14:07:16 < Laurenceb_>  .asd ?!
2017-04-21T14:07:27 < Laurenceb_> autistic spectrum disorder ?
2017-04-21T14:07:27 < Steffanx> Not saving shit for 5 days is pebkac anyway
2017-04-21T14:07:38 < englishman> maybe
2017-04-21T14:07:47 < englishman> but in non-windows, non-office platform itd be fine.
2017-04-21T14:07:54 < Laurenceb_> could be a simulation running in memory
2017-04-21T14:07:59 < Steffanx> Auto saved document i guess Laurenceb
2017-04-21T14:08:30 < BrainDamage> you want to save even just to have multiple versions for the checkpoints
2017-04-21T14:08:39 < Steffanx> Or just a ms developer who pressed some semi-random keys
2017-04-21T14:09:10 < Laurenceb_> https://www.google.ch/search?q=commercial+uses+of+the+forskin&oq=commercial+uses+of+the+forskin&aqs=chrome..69i57.4663j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
2017-04-21T14:10:10 < BrainDamage> do you really espect anyone to click on that?
2017-04-21T14:10:24 < englishman> the fields outside are white with a sea of geese, but for some reason they dont want to be murdered
2017-04-21T14:10:29 < Laurenceb_> it is the internet
2017-04-21T14:23:30 < Steffanx> Aim better englishman
2017-04-21T14:23:46 < Steffanx> Or is your sight totally of
2017-04-21T14:25:48 < BrainDamage> use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun
2017-04-21T14:29:25 < Laurenceb_> haha wut
2017-04-21T14:30:33 < englishman> Steffanx: uploading
2017-04-21T14:30:34 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27151.msg1582943#msg1582943
2017-04-21T14:30:36 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-04-21T14:30:41 < englishman> you cant just walk up to them
2017-04-21T14:30:50 < englishman> you have to hide, put down decoys, and wait for them to come to you
2017-04-21T14:32:29 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/johnmpowell1/status/851862264697167872
2017-04-21T14:32:33 < kakimir> is there a tool for windows that I can mount image made of ssd with?
2017-04-21T14:32:40 < Laurenceb_> these guys are on some crazy shit
2017-04-21T14:32:49 < BrainDamage> please tell me that mhd doesn't stand for magnetohydrodynamics
2017-04-21T14:32:49 < kakimir> 128GB chunk of raw unformated data
2017-04-21T14:32:57 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: yup
2017-04-21T14:33:19 < BrainDamage> I'd like to know what they are smoking
2017-04-21T14:35:04 < Steffanx> But you have such huge arse rifle englishman
2017-04-21T14:35:16 < englishman> but, you cannot use the riffles
2017-04-21T14:35:19 < englishman> only the shotgats
2017-04-21T14:35:38 < BrainDamage> can you use a punt gun? it's technically a shitgun
2017-04-21T14:35:49 < BrainDamage> with boat attached ofc
2017-04-21T14:36:12 < BrainDamage> good luck steering it on the grass
2017-04-21T14:37:12 < Laurenceb_> just hide a bomb in the grass
2017-04-21T14:37:36 < Laurenceb_> improvised antigoose device
2017-04-21T14:37:40 < Steffanx> Why englishman with 10k geese(whatever) you should hit right?
2017-04-21T14:37:47 < Steffanx> Goose
2017-04-21T14:37:55 < englishman> need bigger gat
2017-04-21T14:38:54 < Steffanx> Gat?
2017-04-21T14:40:18 < englishman> the pewpew device
2017-04-21T14:40:36 < sync_> can't you just put down mines?
2017-04-21T14:54:38 < englishman> https://youtu.be/rhcSUSlMslQ?t=47s
2017-04-21T14:54:43 < englishman> see, like 100m away
2017-04-21T14:54:47 < englishman> and they leave
2017-04-21T14:56:01 < BrainDamage> it's almost as if their life depends on it
2017-04-21T14:56:13 < englishman> silly goose
2017-04-21T14:57:13 < BrainDamage> accurate depiction of my latest project: https://i.imgur.com/ByYCqNk.mp4
2017-04-21T15:00:55 < karlp> yeoach
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2017-04-21T15:12:28 < Thorn> attn englishman https://pp.userapi.com/c836536/v836536359/34771/c9iznfnu4R4.jpg https://pp.userapi.com/c836536/v836536359/34779/7Kz1dlXCRdw.jpg
2017-04-21T15:14:09 < dongs> englishman: no, for the thing
2017-04-21T15:14:20 < dongs> no idea what shipping is
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2017-04-21T15:37:01 < dongs> I am looking for a freelancer to help me with my project. The skill required is Manufacturing. I am happy to pay a fixed priced and my budget is €250 - €750 EUR for a prototype.
2017-04-21T15:46:53 < englishman> https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20150908X84919&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=FA
2017-04-21T15:48:51 < dongs> is that the alaska drugs crash
2017-04-21T15:48:56 < dongs> no
2017-04-21T15:50:40 < dongs> englishman: lol, that guy sounds liek a pro pilot
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2017-04-21T15:58:03 < dongs> also 71 yo
2017-04-21T16:00:38 < englishman> The house letters had "pilot" followed by a name, which he could not remember seeing, and "copilot" followed by "God."
2017-04-21T16:03:47 < dongs> "oh well we'll figure it out later."
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2017-04-21T16:47:28 < jadew> so was he on drugs or drunk?
2017-04-21T17:13:56 < dongs> why not both
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2017-04-21T17:50:53 < englishman> Examination of the body for natural disease was limited by the severity of the pilot's injuries; no organs were available for evaluation.
2017-04-21T17:50:55 < englishman> rekt
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2017-04-21T18:05:26 < gxti> controlled flight into terrain, my favoriate aviation term
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2017-04-21T18:32:34 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/miEP75i.jpg
2017-04-21T18:46:38 < Laurenceb> hahah wut
2017-04-21T18:46:40 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/63ad2u/announcement_of_who_has_my_1701a_emdrive/
2017-04-21T18:46:45 < Laurenceb> cool story bro
2017-04-21T18:51:51 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/create-keygen-unlock-exe-file-13798272/
2017-04-21T18:52:19 < englishman> lol
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2017-04-21T18:58:12 < Steffanx> Cant you shoot 100m?
2017-04-21T18:58:17 < Steffanx> Mr englishman
2017-04-21T18:58:36 < englishman> shotgat can barely break thru feathers at 40m
2017-04-21T18:59:03 < Steffanx> Achso, so why no better "shotgat"?
2017-04-21T18:59:56 < englishman> not really the gun's fault, hunting regulations (and tradition) keep it to shotguns that shoot shot (pellets) and they are simply spheres, so slow down pretty quick
2017-04-21T19:00:31 < englishman> they dont even leave the gun that quickly, 1200-1700 feet per second, and 1700 is pretty fast
2017-04-21T19:03:15 < Laurenceb> do you plan to eat the geese or scare them away?
2017-04-21T19:03:38 < englishman> until i actually go out hunting again, just scaring them away
2017-04-21T19:04:00 < englishman> part of my agreement with the farmer to keep exclusive hunting in the area
2017-04-21T19:04:38 < Laurenceb> so use a bird scarer
2017-04-21T19:05:08 < englishman> well thats all i do
2017-04-21T19:05:19 < englishman> toss up a couple clays to keep it interesting
2017-04-21T19:05:32 < englishman> the birds are gone long long before i get anywhere near them
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2017-04-21T19:12:07 < Laurenceb> get one of the propane scarer things
2017-04-21T19:12:18 < Laurenceb> you can propane post irl
2017-04-21T19:12:19 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjQ_AplTMvA
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2017-04-21T19:33:52 < Steffanx> Goose with waffle crumbs.
2017-04-21T19:37:15 < dongs> for those dumb videos
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2017-04-21T19:37:23 < dongs> for->fuck
2017-04-21T19:37:35 < dongs> i fucking hope one of these days that bobcat just rages the fuck out
2017-04-21T19:37:45 < dongs> and devours them
2017-04-21T19:38:18 < Laurenceb> she is hawt
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2017-04-21T19:49:04 < englishman> check out this "professional grade" 433mhz antenna http://i.imgur.com/tU6kd0V.jpg
2017-04-21T19:49:19 < englishman> hand-made-in-USA quality
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2017-04-21T19:51:46 < dongs> https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/Bluetooth-low-energy/nRF8002
2017-04-21T19:51:48 < dongs> wghat the fuck is this?
2017-04-21T19:54:03 < englishman> haha
2017-04-21T19:54:07 < englishman> it simply says Not recommended
2017-04-21T19:54:12 < englishman> like, not NRND
2017-04-21T19:54:13 < englishman> just
2017-04-21T19:54:13 < englishman> NR
2017-04-21T19:56:24 < upgrdman> should a TVS be used on ground pins? dont think that makes sense.
2017-04-21T19:56:33 < englishman> attn dong https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mstLBGZx/boobsticks
2017-04-21T19:56:58 < englishman> the latest in multirotor innovations.
2017-04-21T19:57:36 < Steffanx> Sexy.
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2017-04-21T20:01:51 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/btB1Grmh.jpg
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2017-04-21T20:28:49 < Steffanx> lol, linus.
2017-04-21T20:34:00 < mtbg> lol
2017-04-21T20:34:22 < mtbg> I think it wasn't supposed to be linus
2017-04-21T20:34:53 < mtbg> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Gabe_Newell_GDC_2010.jpg
2017-04-21T20:37:14 < dongs> Transcendent Designs, LLC
2017-04-21T20:37:14 < dongs> 17470 Pacesetter Way
2017-04-21T20:37:14 < dongs> Scottsdale, AZ 85255
2017-04-21T20:37:15 < dongs> (623) 388-4611
2017-04-21T20:37:16 < dongs> ohh
2017-04-21T20:37:26 < dongs> R2COM can go investigate superscreen
2017-04-21T20:37:32 < dongs> or maybe emeb
2017-04-21T20:37:59 < dongs> bedtime
2017-04-21T20:38:01 < dongs> enough autism for today
2017-04-21T20:39:32 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjuG9YCedQQ haha
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2017-04-21T20:49:00 < jadew> found out how to change the shape of the wire on cheap aligator clips
2017-04-21T20:49:28 < jadew> you put a couple of amps through them, they start feeling like silicone, then you can put them in any shape you want and once they cool down, they retain that shape
2017-04-21T20:50:33 < jadew> they should advertise them like that PVC cable - feels like silicone at 3A
2017-04-21T20:52:50 < aandrew> haha yes been there, done that
2017-04-21T20:59:37 < upgrdman> whats the altium hotkey to changes line type. like 45 deg, any degree, smooth bend, etc
2017-04-21T20:59:51 < dongs> shift-space
2017-04-21T21:00:56 < upgrdman> thx
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2017-04-21T22:07:23 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=207YqHLwquw
2017-04-21T22:10:20 < Steffanx> Laurenceb (2017) says: "Why bother"
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2017-04-21T23:14:07 < Steffanx> looks more like linus to me mtbg :P
2017-04-21T23:18:09 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qWePX39R40 music times
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2017-04-21T23:28:14 < Steffanx> better watch the movie kakimir
2017-04-21T23:30:10 < kakimir> would it be
2017-04-21T23:30:27 < kakimir> "enable momentum cache"
2017-04-21T23:30:51 < kakimir> can't windows do caching itself as these manufs need to add their caching drivers?
2017-04-21T23:31:12 < kakimir> talkin about my crucial 525gb
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2017-04-21T23:32:09 < kakimir> I should probably set a lot of overprovisioning to this drive to keep it good
2017-04-21T23:47:58 < ohsix> bromentum
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2017-04-22T01:16:53 < Laurenceb_> lel defence ppl
2017-04-22T01:17:05 < Laurenceb_> ran into some former colleagues at a party
2017-04-22T01:17:26 < Laurenceb_>  > so I hurd <company x> are hiring people to work on <project y>
2017-04-22T01:17:54 < Laurenceb_>  > IF SUCH A PROJECT EVEN EXISTED IT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED, HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW
2017-04-22T01:18:09 < Laurenceb_>  > IF YOU DISCUSS SUCH A PROJECT UR IN JAIL
2017-04-22T01:18:52 < Laurenceb_>  > dude its on the webshite right here
2017-04-22T01:19:06 < Laurenceb_>  > LOOKS LIKE A BLANK PAGE TO ME
2017-04-22T01:20:51 < Steffanx> nice story bro.
2017-04-22T01:21:27 < Laurenceb_> they actually tried to claim the phone screen was blank
2017-04-22T01:48:55 < Laurenceb_> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/a/a5/Chris%27s_Mii_3.jpg
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2017-04-22T01:53:29 < ohsix> heheh 'claim'
2017-04-22T01:54:04 < ohsix> sure is easy to kick some shit up when you assume that's what someone has done, most people are just assholes and dgaf, and are actually threatening you
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2017-04-22T02:02:22 < Laurenceb_> https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10518797&cid=54279667
2017-04-22T02:02:24 < Laurenceb_> my sides
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2017-04-22T04:41:29 < jadew> can someone please double check this for me? Fundamental: 9.8 dBm. Harmonics 2+ (dBc): -55.3, -57.5, -61.2, -76.3, -73.2
2017-04-22T04:41:44 < jadew> is the THD 0.235% ?
2017-04-22T04:49:04 < jadew> what do decent audio amplifiers have? < 0.1?
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2017-04-22T05:08:15 < fenugrec> .05 thereabouts
2017-04-22T05:09:43 < fenugrec> audiophools will accept nothing above 0.0000000001 ppm but yeah.
2017-04-22T05:19:29 < jadew> thanks
2017-04-22T05:23:41 < jadew> ffs, I found some dust caps for SMA connectors, about 2 years back and I only bought 10, I figured I'll buy 100 some other time
2017-04-22T05:23:43 < jadew> but I forgot
2017-04-22T05:23:51 < upgrdman> so happy   http://imgur.com/ynFW6ia
2017-04-22T05:23:51 < jadew> now they're not produced anymore
2017-04-22T05:25:28 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/gstLmP4
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2017-04-22T05:26:29 < jadew> lol, they didn't teach us that in the CPR class
2017-04-22T05:27:26 < dongs> upgrdman's spawn in last pic
2017-04-22T05:27:31 < jadew> not that I would have had any objections to practicing that move, I was the only guy there
2017-04-22T05:27:31 < dongs> err
2017-04-22T05:27:32 < dongs> 1st pic
2017-04-22T05:28:06 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-22T05:30:51 < jadew> funny that that option is before getting oxygen, a doctor or doing CPR
2017-04-22T05:31:50 < jadew> these days you can't even touch them in certain ways
2017-04-22T05:32:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cJ8sVhL.png
2017-04-22T05:32:14 < jadew> for example, you can't grab him from the inside of the legs
2017-04-22T05:32:43 < jadew> you have to grab from the outside, otherwise you can get sued for harassment
2017-04-22T05:33:10 < englishman> lol dongs
2017-04-22T05:33:17 < englishman> lol irl
2017-04-22T05:33:23 < jadew> who is that guy?
2017-04-22T05:33:31 < jadew> and what's with that kickstarter?
2017-04-22T05:33:32 < dongs> asstechnical blogger
2017-04-22T05:33:33 < englishman> the guy who reported on zano, from arstechnica
2017-04-22T05:33:35 < dongs> -l
2017-04-22T05:33:43 < jadew> ah
2017-04-22T05:36:49 < aandrew> dongs: that'd certainly make me gasp
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2017-04-22T06:35:54 < ohsix> ReadError: i got those 14500s, and LOL
2017-04-22T06:37:03 < ohsix> those 1$ legit single AA flashlights really are 3w with one in them
2017-04-22T06:37:12 < ohsix> maybe more, won't know until i charge them
2017-04-22T06:37:40 < jadew> ohsix, so they draw 2A+ ?
2017-04-22T06:38:01 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoXDe8HxHBA
2017-04-22T06:38:12 < ohsix> only going by appearance, have ina219 and shit to measure on monday
2017-04-22T06:38:54 < jadew> ina219?
2017-04-22T06:41:24 < ohsix> ti current sensor
2017-04-22T06:41:32 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/In-stock-1pc-3-7V-1200mAh-14500-AA-Akku-Wiederaufladbare-Batterie-Lonen-Li-ion-Newest-Wholesale/32754672624.html these are dem batts
2017-04-22T06:42:10 < ohsix> nipple and text are different, huh
2017-04-22T06:42:50 < ohsix> i got the tiny magnets i ordered too so i can put the charging shits all together with them, olol
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2017-04-22T06:47:44 < dongs> coo, fpc works
2017-04-22T06:51:26 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/lM8EYkw.jpg
2017-04-22T06:52:18 < englishman> haha
2017-04-22T06:52:49 < englishman> what screen is that?
2017-04-22T06:53:08 < dongs> 7.9
2017-04-22T06:53:30 < englishman> so you dont need to make a whole 2nd board anymore
2017-04-22T06:54:47 < dongs> technically yeah, idid this for the moviefags tho, theyt want a slightly more industrial-ish version with some extra stuff and extended voltage range so i didnt wanna make two different pcbs for that shit
2017-04-22T06:58:45 < englishman> crt
2017-04-22T06:58:48 < englishman> zano 2.0 is here
2017-04-22T06:58:49 < englishman> dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cJ8sVhL.png
2017-04-22T06:59:02 < englishman> \o/
2017-04-22T07:03:03 < jadew> that kickstarter doesn't look like a scam, they'll just send you a $30 tablet + some custom software
2017-04-22T07:03:54 < jadew> I'm off to bed, night
2017-04-22T07:06:24 < ohsix> :| need soldering station at home, charging rig is hokey af
2017-04-22T07:07:53 < ohsix> eh
2017-04-22T07:08:03 < ohsix> android has built in display streaming and second screen streaming
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2017-04-22T07:21:32 < ReadError> ohsix: you tested them?
2017-04-22T07:24:35 < ohsix> ReadError: not capacity test, but they're marked moderately and probably not lying
2017-04-22T07:24:39 < ohsix> charging rn
2017-04-22T07:24:50 < ReadError> i mean like discharge rate
2017-04-22T07:25:07 < ohsix> just in the flashlights and by appearance
2017-04-22T07:25:22 < ohsix> need to get a variable load thing
2017-04-22T07:26:42 < ohsix> need to get a sensible charger
2017-04-22T07:26:49 < ohsix> huhu
2017-04-22T07:27:10 < ohsix> i got a bunch of those to46 or whatever ebay boards, but don't have anything to hold the cell but the flashlights olol
2017-04-22T07:28:44 < ohsix> the batteries that have a microusb charger in the cutoff board are kewl
2017-04-22T07:29:40 < ohsix> those little usb charger boards aer p. good
2017-04-22T07:30:01 < ohsix> got them hooked up to bench supply and the current follows quickly after voltage change, over a pretty wide range
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2017-04-22T08:47:02 < c4017> Can the same interrupt interrupt istelf? Or can only an interrupt with higher priority interrupt the current ISR? On STM32F0
2017-04-22T08:52:01 < Thorn> there is a deal on a $145 altium course on udemy, can get if for $10
2017-04-22T08:52:17 < Thorn> it's by Robert Feranec but it's not i.mx, just an ardweeno board
2017-04-22T08:52:48 < Thorn> still should be a good intro to altium (if you can stand his accent)
2017-04-22T08:54:34 < Thorn> c4017: interrupts never preempt themselves unless you lower the priority in the handler
2017-04-22T08:56:35 < c4017> Ok, thats what I figured. I seem to recall having it work one time without changing the priority
2017-04-22T09:03:15 < Thorn> https://www.udemy.com/learn-to-design-your-own-boards/
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2017-04-22T09:20:02 < upgrdman> most... not... look...  https://i.imgur.com/C2NFKl6.gifv
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2017-04-22T09:52:42 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/9IAZDBt.jpg
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2017-04-22T10:29:30 < Thorn> https://www.udemy.com/how-to-buy-electronic-components-online/
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2017-04-22T10:49:50 < invzim> maaaan, got a microscope and got the dealer to make a custom listing for me after chatting on skype
2017-04-22T10:50:38 < invzim> then a few days later when everything is paid and in transit, the price is slashed by 31%
2017-04-22T10:50:45 < invzim> in the listing, not for me
2017-04-22T10:50:51 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9-CLTgUIAAmAlx.jpg:large
2017-04-22T10:51:12 < invzim> anyho - if anyone is in the market, I think this is a pretty good deal
2017-04-22T10:51:19 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/FYSCOPE-3-5X-45X-SIMUL-FOCAL-STEREO-ZOOM-MICROSCOPE-ARTICULATING-STAND-MICROSCOPE-144A-LED/32806206682.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.JaNVpV
2017-04-22T10:51:24 < invzim> I paid 495 for it..
2017-04-22T10:54:51 < Thorn> there are also two $2 coupons
2017-04-22T11:08:42 < invzim> turns out she made a mistake with the posting and that 495 is the right price
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2017-04-22T11:20:03 < Thorn> https://www.udemy.com/fpga-turbo-series-advanced-led-control/ wat
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2017-04-22T11:22:25 < dongs> neodixel
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2017-04-22T11:24:39 < dongs> invzim: does that have a spot for camera
2017-04-22T11:24:46 < dongs> mentions 3 eypiece
2017-04-22T11:32:36 < invzim> dongs: yes it does
2017-04-22T11:33:22 < invzim> I did a bit of googling before buying, the term is 'Trinocular'
2017-04-22T11:33:41 < invzim> BUT, to be able to see with both eyes AND the camera, at the same time, you also need the feature 'SIMUL FOCAL'
2017-04-22T11:35:18 < Steffanx> Better spend that money on a better labelling/tracking system crt
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2017-04-22T11:45:51 < Steffanx> Where is crt ?
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2017-04-22T11:59:12 < ohsix> http://www.latitudeinsurance.net/vaping/ lolwut
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2017-04-22T13:42:28 < ReadError> dongs: hon
2017-04-22T13:42:33 < ReadError> amazon
2017-04-22T13:42:57 < ReadError> super deals on aMscope
2017-04-22T13:43:01 < ReadError> now
2017-04-22T13:43:34 < ReadError> over half off retail or normal price
2017-04-22T13:49:51 < Steffanx> fuck amazon and yankeeland only deals.
2017-04-22T13:50:23 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iGUJWIuG/IMG_0011.PNG
2017-04-22T13:50:42 < ReadError> they where half off when I added
2017-04-22T13:50:55 < ReadError> n dropping still
2017-04-22T13:52:01 < sync_> > implying amscope is usable
2017-04-22T13:53:14 < ReadError> idk
2017-04-22T13:53:38 < ReadError> maybe more so than other China crap
2017-04-22T13:53:55 < ReadError> plus amazon has nice return policy
2017-04-22T13:57:32 < ReadError> what wrong with them sync_?
2017-04-22T13:57:56 < ReadError> don't care about the USB cam
2017-04-22T14:00:26 < sync_> the optics are not the greatest
2017-04-22T14:00:41 < sync_> high chromatic abberations and distortion at the edges
2017-04-22T14:02:01 < ReadError> but is that much of an issue for pcb stuff?
2017-04-22T14:02:16 < sync_> I rage much looking into them
2017-04-22T14:03:30 < ReadError> got any example pic?
2017-04-22T14:04:06 < sync_> no
2017-04-22T14:04:08 < ReadError> I mean unusable or would only a real head notice
2017-04-22T14:04:41 < sync_> they are ok, but I feel buying a used mantis, zeiss or olympus is much better
2017-04-22T14:07:14 < ReadError> AmScope SM-4TZ-FRL-MB Digital Professional Trinocular Stereo Zoom Microscope, WH10x Eyepieces, 3.5X-90X Magnification, 0.7X-4.5X Zoom Objective, 8W Fluorescent Ring Light, Double-Arm Boom Stand, 110V-120V, Includes 0.5X and 2.0X Barlow Lenses and 1.3MP Camera with Reduction Lens and Software https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005MQWK0A/
2017-04-22T14:07:30 < ReadError> at 200$ would it be OK?
2017-04-22T14:09:18 < sync_> sounds ok
2017-04-22T14:09:38 < sync_> non adjustable eyepieces tho
2017-04-22T14:14:14 < ReadError> ya I mostly want camera
2017-04-22T14:14:34 < ReadError> pit my spare mirrorless on it
2017-04-22T14:14:39 < ReadError> put
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2017-04-22T14:22:49 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/NFC-antenna-range-optimisation/ zyp's job is reposted again
2017-04-22T14:23:11 < invzim> ReadError: I haven't gotten mine yet, but I think you don't need the 2x barlow
2017-04-22T14:23:29 < invzim> manh, that IS cheap
2017-04-22T14:23:45 < dongs> chinascam'd
2017-04-22T14:23:45 < ReadError> which you get?
2017-04-22T14:23:48 < dongs> china doesnt even include camera
2017-04-22T14:23:55 < dongs> better reject that package
2017-04-22T14:24:01 < dongs> and order true usa
2017-04-22T14:24:20 < ReadError> ya the Amazon ones great price
2017-04-22T14:24:20 < invzim> ReadError: also, the one you linked is not have simul focal
2017-04-22T14:24:28 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Sharp-Programming/Connect-VGA-UVC-Camera-Murata/ what the fuck jews
2017-04-22T14:24:30 < invzim> does not have
2017-04-22T14:24:38 < dongs> yeah lemme implement usb uvc class on a cortex m0
2017-04-22T14:24:47 < ReadError> theres a bunch of different models
2017-04-22T14:25:16 < ReadError> that was just a random one
2017-04-22T14:25:21 < invzim> yeah, the way I understand is it's basically eyepiece, head, barlow and boom
2017-04-22T14:25:34 < invzim> or stand
2017-04-22T14:26:43 < invzim> ReadError: I got this (for 495 USD shipped) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/FYSCOPE-3-5X-45X-SIMUL-FOCAL-STEREO-ZOOM-MICROSCOPE-ARTICULATING-STAND-MICROSCOPE-144A-LED/32806206682.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.JaNVpV
2017-04-22T14:27:04 < invzim> if I had the space I'd probably go for the double-boom thingie
2017-04-22T14:28:47 < ReadError> englishmn steered me aways from the articulated arm
2017-04-22T14:29:02 < ReadError> said that move too much
2017-04-22T14:29:26 < ReadError> https://soundcloud.com/itsjaydonlewis/call love this
2017-04-22T14:29:38 < invzim> I didn't find too much about it, so took a chance
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2017-04-22T14:29:42 < invzim> will get it next week
2017-04-22T14:34:31 < dongs> readstoner, is that ifaggot default ringtone?
2017-04-22T14:35:19 < dongs> also fuck dumbnbass
2017-04-22T14:35:24 < ReadError> ya
2017-04-22T14:37:27 < ReadError> tripped me out the 1st time
2017-04-22T14:40:44 < Steffanx> What dongs said.
2017-04-22T14:41:57 < ReadError> about ifags?
2017-04-22T14:42:44 < Steffanx> no "fuck dumbnbass"
2017-04-22T14:43:20 < Laurenceb_> cucknbased
2017-04-22T14:43:43 < ReadError> I want the audio from revision
2017-04-22T14:43:51 < ReadError> some sweet tunes
2017-04-22T14:44:21 < Steffanx> revision?
2017-04-22T14:44:32 < dongs> you can download all the shit
2017-04-22T14:44:36 < dongs> off scene.org or pouet
2017-04-22T14:44:41 < ReadError> ya the demo party
2017-04-22T14:44:59 < ReadError> ya not all have the audio only
2017-04-22T14:45:17 < ReadError> but can YouTube dl
2017-04-22T14:45:31 < dongs> wat
2017-04-22T14:45:39 < dongs> all music productions should be downlaodable
2017-04-22T14:45:45 < dongs> plus the musicdisk shits
2017-04-22T14:46:28 < ReadError> nope
2017-04-22T14:46:41 < Steffanx> Yes, all your schematics and pcb files should be downloadable too
2017-04-22T14:49:17 < ReadError> they have the tracker comp stuff up
2017-04-22T14:49:32 < ReadError> but not audio from the demos
2017-04-22T14:56:25 < dongs> what hte fuck
2017-04-22T14:56:33 < dongs> sourcetree doesnt show full diff
2017-04-22T14:56:36 < dongs> if tehres too many changes
2017-04-22T14:57:25 < dongs> https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/SRCTREE-785
2017-04-22T14:57:25 < dongs> Lol
2017-04-22T14:57:34 < ReadError> atom has a super sweet git history thing
2017-04-22T14:57:51 < jpa-> they've probably copied that feature from github
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2017-04-22T14:59:41 < ReadError> https://atom.io/packages/git-time-machine
2017-04-22T15:01:05 < ReadError> only cool thing it does
2017-04-22T15:04:44 < ReadError> other than being a slow resource hogging piece of shit
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2017-04-22T15:25:09 < dongs> https://www.patreon.com/cemu commit piracy, get 40k a month
2017-04-22T15:26:12 < ReadError> what emu do they do?
2017-04-22T15:26:23 < dongs> wiiu
2017-04-22T15:26:45 < ReadError> on
2017-04-22T15:26:45 < ReadError> dolphin was cool
2017-04-22T15:27:07 < ReadError> compared to a wii anyways
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2017-04-22T16:00:11 < englishman> https://www.juicero.com/
2017-04-22T16:00:15 < englishman> $120m in funding
2017-04-22T16:01:06 < englishman> a $400 blender and $5 for a lil pack of chopped frozen veg to make a glass of juice
2017-04-22T16:01:33 < englishman> i wish i could innovate as hard as those geniuses in SF
2017-04-22T16:06:39 < Laurenceb_> llu there web over9000 names
2017-04-22T16:06:50 < Laurenceb_> I still prefer the
2017-04-22T16:07:01 < Laurenceb_> cybrmatrix 9000 TU02
2017-04-22T16:07:35 < ReadError> yo
2017-04-22T16:07:39 < ReadError> hooli
2017-04-22T16:07:49 < ReadError> tomorrow
2017-04-22T16:07:50 < Laurenceb_> 100 I mean
2017-04-22T16:08:07 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/973736766/the-cybermatrix-100-tu01
2017-04-22T16:08:51 < ReadError> old n gay
2017-04-22T16:09:20 < Laurenceb_> ou can create at your finger tips, fin tips, and claw tips as well
2017-04-22T16:13:28 < Laurenceb_> how come juicero gets funded but cybrmatrix fails
2017-04-22T16:13:30 < Laurenceb_> not fair
2017-04-22T16:14:18 < englishman> wrong city
2017-04-22T16:15:59 < Steffanx> Blaxter (2017) says: "Why bother"
2017-04-22T16:17:36 < englishman> But the product was ridiculed by some after it emerged how the sachets could be squeezed just as easily by hand.
2017-04-22T16:17:37 < englishman> lol
2017-04-22T16:17:48 < englishman> Chief executive Jeff Dunn said the criticism overlooked the "experience" of the machine.
2017-04-22T16:25:59 < Steffanx> Why you had to mention it englishman? I never heard of this thing, until now.
2017-04-22T16:27:13 < aandrew> englishman: I heard about this on the radio actually
2017-04-22T16:27:14 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-04-22T16:27:38 < jadew> wtf?
2017-04-22T16:27:49 < jadew> he looks like he might have a mental issue
2017-04-22T16:27:51 < jadew> or more
2017-04-22T16:29:05 < jadew> ah, or on drugs
2017-04-22T16:29:14 < jadew> I always forget about that
2017-04-22T16:30:03 < aandrew> just reading through their website (juicero) ... these guys went to an incredible amount of trouble to try and replace going to the grocery store
2017-04-22T16:30:17 < aandrew> JIT, temp controlled shippng, fancy packaging, silly machine...
2017-04-22T16:30:28 < aandrew> I don't know they could have made juicing more convoluted if they tried
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2017-04-22T16:31:42 < aandrew> <-- listening to Infected Mushroom's take on Foo Fighter's the Pretender
2017-04-22T16:32:14 < aandrew> good high energy blend of IM's usual psytrance and rock, I think this is one of the reasons I like IM so much
2017-04-22T16:32:29 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zH2JP4LgaE
2017-04-22T16:33:17 < aandrew> The Press is a smart juicer that remains connected to the Internet for real-time updates.
2017-04-22T16:33:20 < aandrew> LOL wut
2017-04-22T16:33:29 < aandrew> "what do I do today" "you press" "ahh, got it."
2017-04-22T16:34:38 < jadew> well, maybe it can get an update not to press anymore :)
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2017-04-22T16:37:10 < aandrew> "as of January 1, 2018 we are shutting down our servers. The juicero press will be unable to get any updates from this day forward. We're very sorry for the inconvenience. We've started a crowdfunding campaign to write one final update to turn off the update feature and prevent the press from becoming non-functional. Please, share the link and tell all your friends so we can provide this one final update"
2017-04-22T16:37:55 < sync_> lel
2017-04-22T16:37:57 < sync_> nice
2017-04-22T16:38:17 < aandrew> you know that will happen
2017-04-22T16:43:42 < invzim> pcbway.com has 5usd deal now for 10x10cm it seems, I should order a revision of my stm32 thingie that was missing the vcap cap
2017-04-22T16:43:56 < invzim>  pcbway.com/setinvite.aspx?inviteid=20429 <-shameful plug :)
2017-04-22T16:45:12 < aandrew> I just use hackvana if I want cheap boards, never tried osh or pcbway, but if I want them faster I have a local fab
2017-04-22T16:45:33 < aandrew> they'll do 4l, 5/5 8mil drill relatively inexpensively
2017-04-22T16:49:33 < aandrew> so let me see if I understand this. I've never actually made use of OTG before in a design
2017-04-22T16:49:50 < aandrew> the ID pin is grounded by the cable if my device is expected to be hte initial host?
2017-04-22T16:50:27 < aandrew> so I should pull ID up weakly and detect state in my code. if I notice that it's become grounded I reconfigure the USB peripheral for host mode?
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2017-04-22T16:51:54 < aandrew> and the 5V host power regulator/switch on my device's board would then be under software control and only turned on when the USB stack sees a SRP packet that says "gimme juice" ?
2017-04-22T16:57:18 < englishman> lol aandrew , link plz
2017-04-22T16:57:44 < englishman> invzim: not reall a deal "now" been that way for several months
2017-04-22T16:58:47 < englishman> aandrew: hackvana just submits boards to allpcb.com
2017-04-22T16:59:02 < dongs> yeah fuck hackvana
2017-04-22T16:59:06 < englishman> ohh invzim no im mistaken. pcbway finally caught up to allpcb pricing, that was it
2017-04-22T17:01:25 < aandrew> never had issues with him
2017-04-22T17:01:30 < englishman> sure
2017-04-22T17:01:36 < englishman> never had any issues with allpcb.com either
2017-04-22T17:01:44 < Steffanx> Why 5 pieces is .50/pcs and 100 is 0.86/pcs?
2017-04-22T17:03:48 < Steffanx> *10pcs
2017-04-22T17:04:00 < Steffanx> i meant 10, not 5.
2017-04-22T17:04:21 < englishman> to discourage you from ordering more of your shitty arduino shield
2017-04-22T17:04:46 < Steffanx> no, cheapskates would just order 10 times 10pcs
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2017-04-22T17:08:15 < dongs> i think i saw some dickstarter that literally did that
2017-04-22T17:08:29 < dongs> he ordered shit from sssseeeeed in packs of 10
2017-04-22T17:11:20 < aandrew> englishman: haha
2017-04-22T17:11:25 < aandrew> < englishman> to discourage you from ordering more of your shitty arduino shield
2017-04-22T17:11:35 < dongs> arduiNOshield.png
2017-04-22T17:11:58 < aandrew> I want to design a couple of STM32 sheilds or whatever the fuck they're called
2017-04-22T17:12:11 < aandrew> that fit on the dual din nucleo headers
2017-04-22T17:12:15 < dongs> NUCLEO SHIELDS
2017-04-22T17:21:14 < Laurenceb_> sounds like something based stick man would wield
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2017-04-22T17:50:55 < invzim> Guess they have their process optimized and lay out n different customers on 10 pcb's on top of each other
2017-04-22T17:51:25 < invzim> not sure how many pcb's you can drill thru at once tho, 10?
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2017-04-22T17:59:12 < englishman> my pcb guy said one, if you dont want to totally fuck it up
2017-04-22T17:59:23 < englishman> need good backing material to not lift all the vias up
2017-04-22T18:02:21 < Steffanx> Is this in the Proverbs Chapter of the EE Bible?
2017-04-22T18:02:55 < englishman> pretty sure i read it on zypsnips yea
2017-04-22T18:04:00 < Steffanx> i haven't. And i read it a snip before i eat and before i got to sleep.
2017-04-22T18:04:05 < Steffanx> -it
2017-04-22T18:04:29 < Steffanx> *go to sleep. [damn, learn to type]
2017-04-22T18:07:54 < englishman> isnt it 5pm
2017-04-22T18:08:55 < Steffanx> Yes it is.
2017-04-22T18:09:55 < Steffanx> Time for a beer: http://media.dumpert.nl/tablet/bb08ab80_VID_20170422_WA0011.mp4.mp4.mp4
2017-04-22T18:09:59 < branjb> anyone have that link to the github page with jtag header shit?
2017-04-22T18:10:05 < englishman> topic branjb
2017-04-22T18:10:22 < branjb> the pogo shit vs 5x2 pin header
2017-04-22T18:10:45 < Steffanx> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md ? that?
2017-04-22T18:10:49 < englishman> if you want to graduate as a pro EE, research is an important skill to learn
2017-04-22T18:10:51 < branjb> yeah
2017-04-22T18:11:29 < branjb> i didn't remember enough to get any google hits
2017-04-22T18:11:38 < englishman> topic branjb
2017-04-22T18:11:39 < englishman> topic branjb
2017-04-22T18:11:39 < englishman> topic branjb
2017-04-22T18:11:45 < branjb> shhhhhh
2017-04-22T18:11:46 < Steffanx> He did englishman. He used me as encyclopedia
2017-04-22T18:11:50 < branjb> thought you meant what topic github page
2017-04-22T18:11:53 < branjb> not irc chan topic
2017-04-22T18:12:07 < branjb> just woke up no coffee
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2017-04-22T18:12:48 < englishman> waking up at 11am is another important skill
2017-04-22T18:12:58 < branjb> it's 8am
2017-04-22T18:13:06 < Steffanx> ok, good morning then
2017-04-22T18:13:33 < englishman> nm thought you were east coast
2017-04-22T18:13:34 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/y84FT2E.gifv
2017-04-22T18:13:51 < branjb> haha fuck
2017-04-22T18:14:20 < Steffanx> ops
2017-04-22T18:14:32 < branjb> god missed
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2017-04-22T18:16:00 < englishman> part of R2COM's upbringing
2017-04-22T18:20:21 < Steffanx> Where else can something like this happen?
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2017-04-22T18:35:08 < kakimir> https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18034310_1592265080814312_7735218839740641176_n.jpg?oh=bf5a9d96983b0e35d134860d670f3ad9&oe=5992C241
2017-04-22T18:35:59 < kakimir> I didn't know when I use ikea bag for my stuff it's actually fashion
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2017-04-22T19:18:36 < Steffanx> do you also have shoes like htat kakimir?
2017-04-22T19:21:17 < kakimir> I don't
2017-04-22T19:21:20 < kakimir> but I should
2017-04-22T19:21:50 < Steffanx> Dont forget to find yourself a boyfriend aswell
2017-04-22T19:21:54 < kakimir> I have half way to knee boots
2017-04-22T19:22:43 < kakimir> some leather shoes that are a bit shaped like driving shoes
2017-04-22T19:26:42 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/key-logger-13807640/
2017-04-22T19:27:45 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PLEK3z8qK8 black smoke racing
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2017-04-22T19:28:38 < kakimir> friend had an exhaust like that in his van
2017-04-22T19:28:45 < dongs> ReadError: https://www.twitch.tv/l0de
2017-04-22T19:28:48 < kakimir> thru passenger door
2017-04-22T19:33:18 < kakimir> made a completelly black curtain of smoke behind the van when turbo wasn't yet boosting
2017-04-22T19:33:52 < kakimir> after turbo kicked in it started shooting blue flame
2017-04-22T19:34:03 < ReadError> dongs: live?
2017-04-22T19:34:06 < dongs> click
2017-04-22T19:34:08 < kakimir> a sign of good combustion
2017-04-22T19:34:17 < kakimir> outside the engine itself
2017-04-22T19:34:23 < dongs> Your account at www.twitch.tv/l0de was the subject of a Terms of Service suspension for violating the following category: Hate Speech. As a result, we have given your account an indefinite suspension from using the site.
2017-04-22T19:34:28 < Steffanx> Kyoto Protocol is not something they care about in finland..
2017-04-22T19:34:46 < kakimir> he had a pal in inspection office
2017-04-22T19:34:52 < kakimir> car inspection place
2017-04-22T19:34:59 < ReadError> oh shit
2017-04-22T19:35:07 < ReadError> lol
2017-04-22T19:35:16 < ReadError> back to YouTube
2017-04-22T19:35:31 < ReadError> YouTube better anyways
2017-04-22T19:35:57 < dongs> eh
2017-04-22T19:36:01 < dongs> twatch i can listen on the phone
2017-04-22T19:36:03 < dongs> with audio only
2017-04-22T19:36:09 < dongs> and scefren off in my pocket
2017-04-22T19:36:12 < dongs> cant do that with jewtube
2017-04-22T19:36:39 < ReadError> oh ya need RED
2017-04-22T19:36:48 < ReadError> u listen live?
2017-04-22T19:37:08 < dongs> when i have time, yes
2017-04-22T19:37:16 < dongs> like last few weeks
2017-04-22T19:37:19 < Steffanx> Im surprised dongs. As it's CRAP
2017-04-22T19:37:22 < dongs> twitch app can be set to audio only
2017-04-22T19:37:36 < dongs> and i just carry phoen around and it jumps betwnen wifi/lte/etc automaticalyl wiht no skips
2017-04-22T19:37:53 < dongs> steffan, todays show was hilarious
2017-04-22T19:38:20 < dongs> 60 glow in teh dark mexicans, fucking lol
2017-04-22T19:41:06 < englishman> of course i know how to use the automatic lawnmower
2017-04-22T19:41:28 < dongs> englishman: im actually making an automatic lawnmower controller
2017-04-22T19:41:28 < englishman> chatting with craigslist people will always be entertaining
2017-04-22T19:41:31 < dongs> internal project name is bzbee
2017-04-22T19:41:35 < englishman> word
2017-04-22T19:42:04 < englishman> the type of person to respond to an ad for 800lb of free frozen burritos at 11pm on a friday night is going to be an interesting person to talk to
2017-04-22T19:42:22 < englishman> does it hate black ppl
2017-04-22T19:42:53 < englishman> also, why the autism, surely there is some 10 year old crap that works great
2017-04-22T19:43:34 < englishman> neato vacuums are almost that old
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2017-04-22T20:08:33 < Steffanx> Just buy a goat.
2017-04-22T20:11:35 < chicco> Hi, I'm unable to connect stlink-v2 to stm32F103 "blue pill". The 2$ one. I'm using the same connections (SWD) I've used on another cheap board. I'm launching openocd as always but the target do not connect. Defective one? (I've tried 2 boards, both don't work). Any tips?
2017-04-22T20:11:52 < englishman> or rent one from goat.ly
2017-04-22T20:13:07 < englishman> 2 boards = user error. How are you powering it
2017-04-22T20:13:41 < chicco> Direclty from stlink, at now.
2017-04-22T20:14:01 < dongs> what
2017-04-22T20:14:07 < dongs> oh i guess $2 stlinks dont do level shifting
2017-04-22T20:14:26 < chicco> powering by usb and leaving stlink 3.3 disconnected has the same result
2017-04-22T20:15:53 < chicco> the stlink clone i use works perfectly with others stm32f103c8t6 i have
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2017-04-22T20:24:36 < Steffanx> Tripple checked your wiring?
2017-04-22T20:27:10 < chicco> Yes Steffanx, and on those board if quite simple too. On the working one I had to find the pins on the 20pin header. I had checked extensively.
2017-04-22T20:28:09 < chicco> If these boards have fell, and the xtal is broken, can be a problem? I'm thinking about checking the clock with the scope
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2017-04-22T20:29:20 < Steffanx> They are supposed to boot from internal rc.
2017-04-22T20:31:13 < chicco> I'm using openocd, on a tested dev environment. I don't remember if is required for the first connection the texane tool.
2017-04-22T20:33:31 < Streaker> Which idea is recommended for stm32 development?
2017-04-22T20:33:56 < Streaker> *IDE
2017-04-22T20:34:28 < Steffanx> ##stm32-answer: keil
2017-04-22T20:34:42 < Steffanx> dongs and englishman provide licenses.
2017-04-22T20:35:22 < branjb> i kinda like visualgdb
2017-04-22T20:35:42 < upgrdman> TIL how russians get hair cuts    http://i.imgur.com/XEDdlRR.gifv
2017-04-22T20:35:56 < Streaker> Has visualgdb improved since 1995?
2017-04-22T20:38:08 < Steffanx> Hows india Streaker?
2017-04-22T20:38:30 < PaulFertser> chicco: I'm using stlink with blue pill and openocd, works fine.
2017-04-22T20:38:34 < Streaker> Hot as a fuck in a steam engine
2017-04-22T20:38:41 < PaulFertser> chicco: what exactly happens, can you show the log?
2017-04-22T20:39:37 < Steffanx> Are you a born and raised indian Streaker?
2017-04-22T20:39:57 < Streaker> Yes
2017-04-22T20:45:35 < PaulFertser> chicco: you need to _both_ connect the blue pill to usb host and to connect stlink's Vtarget line to Vcc.
2017-04-22T20:45:57 < chicco> PaulFertser, https://pastebin.com/gssUkFTV
2017-04-22T20:46:44 < PaulFertser> chicco: what state is BOOT0 jumper in, can you try switching it?
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2017-04-22T20:47:33 < chicco> PaulFertser, I always try to avoid the double vcc connection. I thinks they fight in a source/sink battle. Do you confirm that is it needed?
2017-04-22T20:48:13 < PaulFertser> chicco: depends on stlink, at least with original stlink it certainly doesn't provide power to the target on its own and it uses the target power as a reference for its output.
2017-04-22T20:49:18 < PaulFertser> chicco: when you connect that blue pill only to your stlink, does the LED lights as brightly as when you connect it to USB?
2017-04-22T20:49:26 < PaulFertser> (the power led that's always on)
2017-04-22T20:50:30 < chicco> Yes PaulFertser. It is on
2017-04-22T20:50:46 < PaulFertser> chicco: well, then it means the target is really powered by your stlink.
2017-04-22T20:50:59 < PaulFertser> chicco: have you tried connecting while pressing the reset button, is the result identical?
2017-04-22T20:53:04 < chicco> PaulFertser, problem solved. I'm a moron.
2017-04-22T20:53:23 < PaulFertser> chicco: what was it, mixing swdio and swclk?
2017-04-22T20:53:41 < chicco> I've forgot that this "sweet" stlink clone has the labels swapped
2017-04-22T20:55:02 < chicco> Inside is the blue version but the "case" is orange. So wrong labelled header. Thanks. I'm sorry.
2017-04-22T20:57:32 < chicco> PaulFertser, even the gnd pin is not gnd. But  it turned on anyway
2017-04-22T21:01:12 < PaulFertser> chicco: wow
2017-04-22T21:06:32 < aandrew> chicco: heh gotta love when you can't trust your tools
2017-04-22T21:07:07 < aandrew> Streaker: I use any old text editor and make; I have a long-running hatred for any kind of GUI environment, but particular hatred toward Eclipse based anything
2017-04-22T21:07:35 < aandrew> I'm pretty sure it's named Eclipse becuase whatever time you want to work on your project is eclipsed by the amount of time you spend fucking around with the IDE to get it to function properly
2017-04-22T21:09:19 < Streaker> I've used vim and make. It's ok for long running projects where things don't change much.
2017-04-22T21:11:04 < Streaker> But it's really convenient to be able to spend 30 seconds clicking in a gui and getting down to coding immediately
2017-04-22T21:13:03 < Streaker> Specially with the GUI tools that generate code to setup/initialize your hatdware
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2017-04-22T21:21:09 < aandrew> Streaker: see, I agree with you 100% but on the vim/make side. I can get to work quickly instead of trying to import the project, screw with the IDE build settings because for some reason it won't build, get lost in a twisty landscape of menu trees and dialog boxes... fuck that shit, I can usually get something knocked together and at attempting to work in far less time
2017-04-22T21:21:30 < aandrew> Streaker: HAL works great without an IDE
2017-04-22T21:22:01 < aandrew> I'm not 100% convinced on it, it still has some screwy ideas, but it's a fuckton better than the autogen code from something like Cypress
2017-04-22T21:22:10 < aandrew> I spent a lot of time unfucking those drivers
2017-04-22T21:23:23 < aandrew> PaulFertser has it right (switching topic) - a LOT of dev tools don't supply power but do use it as a reference/to power its level translators
2017-04-22T21:24:04 < aandrew> unfortunately nothing's explicitly marked and like you may have mentioned, one version may try to power on that pin and another use it only as a reference
2017-04-22T21:24:17 < branjb> aandrew what's your process for building your makefile?
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2017-04-22T21:31:25 < aandrew> branjb: I have a one that I've kind of honed over time that I use as a template
2017-04-22T21:31:31 < aandrew> one second I'll put it up on patebin
2017-04-22T21:33:06 < ReadError> dongs did you hear him call the fag guy back?
2017-04-22T21:33:39 < Steffanx> Where is crt? Prepared special care package: http://imgur.com/a/X2d8h
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2017-04-22T21:40:00 < aandrew> branjb: https://pastebin.com/rYsyMsZe
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2017-04-22T21:45:08 < aandrew> branjb: if you have some awesomesauce driver or library, you can put it in Drivers/ or Middleware/Third_Party (if you're following Cube) and just add the path to VDIR, then include the relevant sources in that list of SRCS += at the top
2017-04-22T21:45:14 < aandrew> shit works awesome
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2017-04-22T21:45:50 < aandrew> I stole the original template from someone on github. I have a similar one for Nordic BLE stuff but I have to revisit it, it's been a while
2017-04-22T21:48:12 < branjb> cool, thanks
2017-04-22T21:50:17 < aandrew> a dong for dongs: http://imgur.com/gallery/DfhXA
2017-04-22T21:55:06 < aandrew> nice, did you see that old russian dude who designed (from the ground up) a GPS/GLONASS receiver?
2017-04-22T21:55:18 < aandrew> I don't mean buying a $5 receiver and hooking it up to an arduino
2017-04-22T21:55:30 < aandrew> I mean full RF design, demod, parsing the raw stream, everything
2017-04-22T21:55:45 < aandrew> sure
2017-04-22T22:00:54 < branjb> http://www.stm32duino.com/download/file.php?id=31&sid=923bc1f5ff2c40021ccc18b27117ad4d why are there no bypass caps on this board?
2017-04-22T22:01:26 < branjb> supposed to breadboard them?
2017-04-22T22:03:25 < Steffanx> bottom.
2017-04-22T22:03:50 < Steffanx> it also has an ldo etc. there
2017-04-22T22:03:59 < branjb> ah
2017-04-22T22:10:41 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xORaXODrs-E music times
2017-04-22T22:17:56 < englishman> aandrew: infected mushroom is playing here tonight
2017-04-22T22:18:05 < englishman> (Related to earlier musics)
2017-04-22T22:18:09 < aandrew> where is here?
2017-04-22T22:18:13 < englishman> quebec city
2017-04-22T22:18:18 < aandrew> damn srs
2017-04-22T22:18:21 < aandrew> nice
2017-04-22T22:18:21 < englishman> Ya
2017-04-22T22:18:40 < aandrew> you going or just know it's going on
2017-04-22T22:18:57 < englishman> chicco: how do you power a board from stlink?
2017-04-22T22:19:10 < englishman> dono yet, meeting up with wifeishman in a bit
2017-04-22T22:20:04 < Steffanx> you know he, chicco, left right?
2017-04-22T22:20:06 < englishman> nm he got it working
2017-04-22T22:20:13 < englishman> scrolling
2017-04-22T22:21:52 < englishman> lol Steffanx
2017-04-22T22:21:56 < englishman> the waffelfather
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2017-04-22T22:23:15 < tpw_rules> so i just cooked up an stm32L0 board and get this trying to program it: https://pastebin.com/ceCKjvas
2017-04-22T22:26:59 < sterna> maybe you should ask in #openocd too
2017-04-22T22:33:40 < Steffanx> Whats the mcu? Really a L051C8Tx, tpw_rules?
2017-04-22T22:33:47 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: that's what it says on the packaghe
2017-04-22T22:34:41 < tpw_rules> like it looks like the chip is alive and it's connecting, no?
2017-04-22T22:34:52 < tpw_rules> so like all the SWD connections are good and it's getting power
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2017-04-22T22:40:19 < tpw_rules> yeah the chip's alive. i can get into the uart bootloader
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2017-04-22T22:48:04 < tpw_rules> https://pastebin.com/cRKRtAtj this is max verbosity. it's reading an ID of all zeroes?
2017-04-22T22:48:11 < tpw_rules> this chip is fresh off the reel
2017-04-22T22:49:38 < qyx> englishman: I did change the pll filter bandwidth to 200K and charge pump current to 2*85 and now 64 attempts of 100 complete successfully
2017-04-22T22:49:59 < englishman> hmm
2017-04-22T22:50:02 < englishman> yikes tho
2017-04-22T22:50:19 < qyx> it is fully deterministic and depends on the freq
2017-04-22T22:50:38 < qyx> I am tweaking registers one by one to see which helps
2017-04-22T22:51:15 < tpw_rules> i didn't put pullup/pulldowns on the swd lines since the datasheet says i don't need them
2017-04-22T22:51:47  * tpw_rules drags out logic analyzer
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2017-04-22T23:27:18 < Steffanx> kinda offtopic tpw_rules.. what logic analyzer is that? saleae?
2017-04-22T23:27:28 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: yeah
2017-04-22T23:27:30 < tpw_rules> pro 8
2017-04-22T23:27:39 < tpw_rules> it seems their software hasn't been updated in a couple years
2017-04-22T23:28:28 < Steffanx> beta release is pretty recent
2017-04-22T23:29:00 < tpw_rules> link? it said "you don't need beta anymore"
2017-04-22T23:29:31 < tpw_rules> i'm using 1.2.13
2017-04-22T23:29:54 < Steffanx> oh but that one IS pretty recent
2017-04-22T23:30:00 < Steffanx> according to blog post
2017-04-22T23:30:03 < tpw_rules> huh
2017-04-22T23:30:06 < tpw_rules> i swear that was the version i used like four years ago
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2017-04-23T00:00:13 < kakimir> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-networking/adapter-priority-setting-unavailable-in-windows-10/d2b63caa-e77c-4b46-88b5-eeeaee00c306 tip of the day
2017-04-23T00:02:20 < kakimir> always wondered what that metric-value was
2017-04-23T00:03:00 < kakimir> some physical measurement? nah.. network priority
2017-04-23T00:05:06 < kakimir> why
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2017-04-23T00:31:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpBnCY7wwaw
2017-04-23T00:33:00 < englishman> aandrew: so very very sold out
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2017-04-23T00:41:26 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/855553677011976193/m9inENFw?format=png&name=2048x2048_2_exp
2017-04-23T00:45:48 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/855111484216561664/z8IBrKkO?format=png&name=2048x2048_2_exp
2017-04-23T00:47:37 < englishman> why
2017-04-23T00:48:34 < Laurenceb_> le queen of /pol/
2017-04-23T00:49:11 < Steffanx> Blaxter (2017) says "Why bother".
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2017-04-23T00:54:38 < Steffanx> It's my duty to remind you of this Laurenceb_.
2017-04-23T00:54:51 < Steffanx> At least once a day
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2017-04-23T01:14:27 < ReadError> englishman: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005MQWK0A/
2017-04-23T01:14:32 < ReadError> got dis
2017-04-23T01:14:48 < englishman> perfect
2017-04-23T01:14:51 < ReadError> what lens shit I need
2017-04-23T01:15:09 < ReadError> for slr
2017-04-23T01:15:14 < englishman> different stands in different pics tho lol
2017-04-23T01:15:25 < englishman> you can throw away the cam it comes with
2017-04-23T01:15:31 < englishman> dono bought whatever fit my sony
2017-04-23T01:15:40 < englishman> was like $15
2017-04-23T01:15:54 < englishman> but should have spent more
2017-04-23T01:15:55 < ReadError> it's the dual rail ball bearing one
2017-04-23T01:16:08 < ReadError> 1st pic
2017-04-23T01:16:59 < ReadError> think adj led light worth it for 20$?
2017-04-23T01:17:54 < Laurenceb_>  >$500 wtf
2017-04-23T01:17:57 < englishman> i never use it
2017-04-23T01:18:09 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FC7O1DS/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1492899440&sr=8-6&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=amscope+ring+led&dpPl=1&dpID=41ICL3BASBL&ref=plSrch
2017-04-23T01:18:12 < englishman> sometimes have to add more light, on higher mag
2017-04-23T01:18:31 < ReadError> Laurenceb_: paid 230
2017-04-23T01:18:38 < englishman> ew fluorescent tho
2017-04-23T01:18:47 < englishman> itl be hot
2017-04-23T01:18:49 < englishman> and buzz
2017-04-23T01:18:51 < englishman> get the led
2017-04-23T01:18:54 < ReadError> ya but led is cheao
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2017-04-23T01:21:38 < qyx> it seems that when the autoranging fails, I can get it to Tx something
2017-04-23T01:21:45 < qyx> when it succeeds, no TX
2017-04-23T01:30:47 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-04-23T01:31:06 < Laurenceb_> florescent doesnt buzz or get hot since 90s
2017-04-23T01:31:11 < Laurenceb_> led fanboyism is weird
2017-04-23T01:31:34 < qyx> T5 get quite hot
2017-04-23T01:32:11 < qyx> better cfl than china led though
2017-04-23T01:35:09 < Laurenceb_> yeah quality cfl is very good
2017-04-23T01:35:36 < englishman> maybe i should be checking that bit
2017-04-23T01:35:45 < englishman> ccfl is not fl
2017-04-23T01:37:20 < Laurenceb_> benefit of being shortsighted is I just tak eof my glasses instead of using a scope
2017-04-23T01:42:40 < Laurenceb_> there are no other benefits
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2017-04-23T02:02:31 < jadew> ReadError, get the ring light, it's useful
2017-04-23T02:02:41 < jadew> I use it all the time
2017-04-23T02:02:52 < jadew> for the SLR - good luck with that
2017-04-23T02:03:36 < jadew> I'm considering getting a lathe and building an adapter myself, because the ones I bought so far don't work as expected
2017-04-23T02:03:53 < jadew> at the very least, get one that's adjustable
2017-04-23T02:03:56 < ReadError> it has one
2017-04-23T02:04:06 < jadew> and make sure it's specified for your CCD sensor dimensions
2017-04-23T02:04:06 < ReadError> just not adj
2017-04-23T02:04:22 < ReadError> come with cam too
2017-04-23T02:04:49 < jadew> yeah, mine didn't come with a camera, just with a hole so I don't even have the photo port tube
2017-04-23T02:05:06 < jadew> maybe if I had that it would have been easier to find something that works
2017-04-23T02:05:15 < ReadError> what u got?
2017-04-23T02:05:21 < jadew> probably an eyepiece to SLR
2017-04-23T02:05:24 < jadew> what do you mean?
2017-04-23T02:05:56 < jadew> which microscope or what adapters?
2017-04-23T02:06:10 < ReadError> scope
2017-04-23T02:06:26 < ReadError> and light
2017-04-23T02:06:28 < jadew> similar one, except that I got it with the single rod arm
2017-04-23T02:06:40 < jadew> and a simple led ring light
2017-04-23T02:08:00 < ReadError> adj led?
2017-04-23T02:08:28 < jadew> yeah, but it's adjustable from the attachment itself
2017-04-23T02:08:32 < jadew> not from the power brick
2017-04-23T02:08:55 < ReadError> adj useful?
2017-04-23T02:09:23 < ReadError> my USB scope isn't adj enough
2017-04-23T02:09:26 < jadew> http://5.12.152.140/stuff/full.jpg
2017-04-23T02:09:29 < jadew> yeah, very useful
2017-04-23T02:09:59 < jadew> at high magnification you need more light at lower, you need less, depends on the lens you have too
2017-04-23T02:10:48 < ReadError> an neat
2017-04-23T02:11:05 < ReadError> lens is like.45 to 7
2017-04-23T02:11:24 < jadew> that's the default, no?
2017-04-23T02:11:32 < jadew> like, no lens
2017-04-23T02:11:46 < ReadError> hmm
2017-04-23T02:12:02 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005MQWK0A/
2017-04-23T02:12:05 < ReadError> this
2017-04-23T02:12:29 < jadew> ah, it includes 0.5 and 2x barlow lens
2017-04-23T02:12:32 < jadew> I have those too
2017-04-23T02:12:58 < jadew> I either use it with the 0.5 one or the 2x
2017-04-23T02:13:07 < jadew> 0.5 for working on stuff
2017-04-23T02:13:13 < jadew> 2x for looking at interesting things
2017-04-23T02:14:20 < ReadError> ah neat any pics of stuff
2017-04-23T02:14:59 < jadew> the pictures you'll get with it will suck compared to what you'll see
2017-04-23T02:15:18 < jadew> I might have some interesting pictures tho
2017-04-23T02:17:48 < jadew> http://5.12.152.140/stuff/needle.jpg
2017-04-23T02:18:01 < jadew> http://5.12.152.140/stuff/needle_rounded.jpg
2017-04-23T02:18:28 < jadew> that's one of the first things I was able to do with it
2017-04-23T02:18:39 < ReadError> sweet
2017-04-23T02:19:08 < jadew> I rounded a needle from a syringe so I can use it to pick things up with it (using vacuum)
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2017-04-23T02:30:31 < branjb> did you clean the opiates out of it first?
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2017-04-23T02:46:38 < aandrew> nice amscope
2017-04-23T02:46:46 < aandrew> 90x mag is stupid though
2017-04-23T02:47:02 < aandrew> that is identical to my scope except mine is white
2017-04-23T02:47:28 < aandrew> trinocular, 10xWF eyepieces, but my objective is 0.7-4.5
2017-04-23T02:47:38 < aandrew> and at maximum mag it's pretty much too much mag for even 0201
2017-04-23T02:48:07 < aandrew> not sure how you get 3.5-90x with 0.7-4.5 objective and 10x eyepiece
2017-04-23T02:48:24 < jadew> yeah, you'd use the x2 lens only if you want to look at stuff like vias
2017-04-23T02:48:26 < aandrew> USB scopes suck because of latency. I wish they were better but it's terrible
2017-04-23T02:48:37 < aandrew> jadew: Hm?
2017-04-23T02:48:39 < aandrew> hang on let me take a pic
2017-04-23T02:48:52 < jadew> aandrew, you add a x2 barlow lens
2017-04-23T02:48:55 < jadew> and it doubles
2017-04-23T02:49:07 < jadew> you get 0.7-4.5 * 10 * 2
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2017-04-23T02:51:50 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/BAl5Vd3.jpg
2017-04-23T02:52:03 < aandrew> that is max zoom on my scope of an 8mil via
2017-04-23T02:52:10 < aandrew> rather the hole is 8mil, plated
2017-04-23T02:53:00 < aandrew> that scope comes with camera and light, mine did not
2017-04-23T02:53:08 < aandrew> also I guess I don't have barlow lenses
2017-04-23T02:53:23 < jadew> you should get the 0.5x one at least
2017-04-23T02:53:27 < aandrew> why?
2017-04-23T02:53:29 < jadew> it doubles the working distance
2017-04-23T02:53:41 < aandrew> ah, yes a little more working distance would be nice
2017-04-23T02:53:45 < aandrew> but don't I lose half my zoom then?
2017-04-23T02:53:49 < jadew> you do
2017-04-23T02:53:53 < jadew> but you don't really need it
2017-04-23T02:53:58 < aandrew> true enough
2017-04-23T02:54:25 < aandrew> there are only two problems with this scope IMO
2017-04-23T02:54:48 < ReadError> apparently the stand is 200 alone
2017-04-23T02:57:20 < aandrew> 1. the short metal tube that holds the cage/head is connected to the main frame (with the two horizontal bars) with a short square metal bar
2017-04-23T02:57:34 < ReadError> aandrew: for 230$ I think it OK deal
2017-04-23T02:57:59 < aandrew> that metal bar can rotate and the tightening handle won't hold it absolutely still; it still can rotate and when I'm not using the scope "straight" (i.e. I've got the cage rotated off to the side) it will tilt the head
2017-04-23T02:58:18 < aandrew> 2. the base isn't quite heavy enough. If I've got it at maximum extension the weight of the head will make it tipsy
2017-04-23T02:58:26 < aandrew> ReadError: yeah, I bought mine for USD$700 about 8 years ago
2017-04-23T02:58:37 < ReadError> stand is 50lb
2017-04-23T02:58:39 < aandrew> I use it *all* *the* *time*
2017-04-23T02:58:45 < ReadError> or so
2017-04-23T02:58:54 < aandrew> it's amazing how well you can solder fine pitch when you can see
2017-04-23T02:58:59 < aandrew> I would not have believed it before
2017-04-23T02:59:11 < aandrew> doing tiny tiny mods on boards is child's play now
2017-04-23T02:59:22 < aandrew> just need patience and it can be done
2017-04-23T02:59:47 < aandrew> ReadError: yeah I bet it's about 50lbs. full extension though it's still tipsy
2017-04-23T02:59:58 < aandrew> a couple C clamps holding the base to the desk would solve it, it's a minor issue
2017-04-23T03:00:00 < jadew> aandrew, I agree
2017-04-23T03:00:19 < jadew> I keep mine locked so I don't push the arm back and forth
2017-04-23T03:00:23 < aandrew> the loose-ish rotating head issue though, that is more frustrating becuase sometimes I want to use it off-axis
2017-04-23T03:00:30 < jadew> and I just rotate it + move the head in position
2017-04-23T03:00:44 < ReadError> they have usb3 cams now
2017-04-23T03:00:54 < ReadError> wonder how they is
2017-04-23T03:00:55 < aandrew> aside from my soldering iron and meter, that inspection microscope is probably the most used tool on my bench
2017-04-23T03:01:20 < aandrew> ReadError: as long as the latency isn't bad (that's not a bandwidth issue, that's an encoding issue) then it'll be fine
2017-04-23T03:01:23 < jadew> same here
2017-04-23T03:01:34 < aandrew> very very very happy with that investment
2017-04-23T03:01:49 < aandrew> I don't even use the oscilloscope nearly as much as I use the microscope
2017-04-23T03:02:21 < aandrew> I would lke to get a ring light for it, I just tore the fake bulb off of an LED bulb and have a tiny gooseneck lamp and light the area up that way
2017-04-23T03:02:52 < jadew> I have an extra lamp too
2017-04-23T03:03:09 < jadew> having light coming in from different angles is useful
2017-04-23T03:03:20 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/4YQWHVG.jpg
2017-04-23T03:03:28 < aandrew> that's the (very messy) work area as it is righ tnow
2017-04-23T03:04:01 < aandrew> stereo microscope is so much better than a loupe/monocular scope
2017-04-23T03:04:27 < sync_> > very messy
2017-04-23T03:04:47 < ReadError> lol messy
2017-04-23T03:04:56 < ReadError> should see mine
2017-04-23T03:05:05 < aandrew> that is only one tiny corner
2017-04-23T03:05:15 < aandrew> it's too messy for me right now, need to clean it up
2017-04-23T03:06:17 < ReadError> ya you know how people are old about keeping there stuff tidy and organized
2017-04-23T03:06:25 < ReadError> I'm the opposite
2017-04-23T03:06:30 < aandrew> haha
2017-04-23T03:06:46 < aandrew> well I'll post a pic of the current state which is far too messy for me. I don't mind mess, but this is super disorganized atm
2017-04-23T03:06:58 < aandrew> it's just uploading
2017-04-23T03:08:52 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/oXDheU1
2017-04-23T03:09:23 < sync_> looks about average
2017-04-23T03:09:48 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/oXDheU1.jpg direct link works a lot better
2017-04-23T03:10:22 < aandrew> wow iphone really made a shitty pic
2017-04-23T03:10:25 < aandrew> that's unusual
2017-04-23T03:10:25 < jadew> I try to keep everything in its place, when it's not used, because I developed dust allergy and I'm trying to manage dust
2017-04-23T03:10:35 < aandrew> yes, this is far too dirty for me
2017-04-23T03:10:49 < aandrew> it's usually only one or two projects on the bench, desk clean enough to write on etc
2017-04-23T03:11:10 < jadew> nice lab tho, much more room than I have
2017-04-23T03:11:11 < ReadError> reminds me I need to warranty my magic bullet
2017-04-23T03:11:41 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-04-23T03:11:48 < aandrew> yeah I don't use it but my wife does
2017-04-23T03:11:55 < aandrew> I just like the tall container for drinking water
2017-04-23T03:12:21 < ReadError> motor no work anymore
2017-04-23T03:17:19 < Laurenceb_> my main issue is fungus
2017-04-23T03:17:25 < Laurenceb_> tells you how much moneys I have
2017-04-23T03:17:35 < aandrew> wow
2017-04-23T03:17:50 < Laurenceb_> literally rotten walls causing fungus spores that irritate my lungs and nose :-/
2017-04-23T03:17:58 < aandrew> "USB Complete" has less information about OTG SRP than the STM32 RM chapter on the subject
2017-04-23T03:18:11 < Laurenceb_> such is life in uk
2017-04-23T03:18:14 < aandrew> glad I pirated that book
2017-04-23T03:19:19 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/fX5KqdJ lulwut
2017-04-23T03:19:49 < Laurenceb_> why does the take off pipe go into the liquid
2017-04-23T03:20:17 < Laurenceb_> also no coolant around the fear
2017-04-23T03:23:43 < ReadError> air
2017-04-23T03:24:01 < ReadError> very high bp
2017-04-23T03:24:06 < Laurenceb_> I think I can increase the fear throughput
2017-04-23T03:24:32 < ReadError> need a fractional colum
2017-04-23T03:24:34 < ReadError> n
2017-04-23T03:24:44 < ReadError> so it's extra pure
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2017-04-23T05:28:57 < englishman> >no coolant around the fear
2017-04-23T05:28:58 < englishman> lol
2017-04-23T05:29:17 < englishman> but yeah F- hate distillation there, retard
2017-04-23T05:33:44 < dongs> ReadError: yes
2017-04-23T05:33:56 < dongs> ARE YOU A COMPUTER OR SOMETHING
2017-04-23T05:34:00 < dongs> KEEEL YOU FAGGOT
2017-04-23T05:34:40 < ReadError> COMPUTERATED VOICE
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2017-04-23T05:42:06 < aandrew> the more I read about USB the more it seems it's just kludge on top of kludge on top of kludge
2017-04-23T05:42:33 < aandrew> we should go back to FireWire
2017-04-23T05:42:49 < dongs> ya and expose entire memory space to uncontrolled DMA transfers
2017-04-23T05:42:58 < dongs> good plan
2017-04-23T05:43:11 < aandrew> it's easy to mitigate that, and has already been done
2017-04-23T05:43:22 < aandrew> better update your troll database
2017-04-23T06:09:01 < englishman> isn't that basically thunderdongs
2017-04-23T06:25:06 < ohsix> http://www.ubunturising.com/
2017-04-23T06:25:09 < ohsix> lul
2017-04-23T06:26:52 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/w-d6NqkDUKI?t=521
2017-04-23T06:49:18 < dongs> http://www.keysight.com/en/pd-2595803-pn-N7015A/type-c-high-speed-test-fixture?nid=-32580.1140136.00&cc=US&lc=eng
2017-04-23T06:49:21 < dongs> what the a ctual fuck
2017-04-23T06:49:47 < aandrew> what
2017-04-23T06:49:50 < aandrew> it's a high speed test fixture
2017-04-23T06:50:00 < aandrew> or do you mean WTF is it trying to download images when I just want to see them?
2017-04-23T06:50:10 < dongs> no, look at hte price
2017-04-23T06:50:14 < aandrew> yeah
2017-04-23T06:50:16 < aandrew> I see it
2017-04-23T06:50:22 < dongs> its a usbc breakout cable I can make out of 2 sockets and some wire in between
2017-04-23T06:50:53 < dongs> The N7015A high speed USB type C fixture breaks out 4 lanes of high speed signals for signal measurement or injection as well as low speed power and control lines to a secondary fixture (N7016A) for monitoring and control.
2017-04-23T06:50:57 < dongs> this is literally waht it doesd
2017-04-23T06:51:06 < dongs> a mitm cable with all the testpoints available.
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2017-04-23T06:59:55 < ohsix> they're not cheap to make, but that's also a thing you only maybe sell 300 of
2017-04-23T07:00:41 < ohsix> probably less tahn 1000bux of connectors and coax and rf voodoo
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2017-04-23T07:33:45 < ReadError> dongs: you order a scope?
2017-04-23T07:41:55 < dongs> no, i dont really need one
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2017-04-23T07:53:01 < upgrdman> god damn it, why do companies make glass shower doors that are NOT frosted? such a pain in the ass to remove hard water spots.
2017-04-23T07:53:24 < dongs> don't aim your jizz at the walls
2017-04-23T07:53:37 < upgrdman> even CLR or hydrochloric acid only remove some of the hard water stains
2017-04-23T07:53:56 < upgrdman> maybe if i remove the doors and lay them flat so the HCl can work its magic for an hour or so
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2017-04-23T08:14:23 < ohsix> if that's a real problem you can always get a water softener
2017-04-23T08:14:34 < ohsix> otherwise get the gel drain cleaner and some gloves
2017-04-23T08:14:41 < ohsix> and don't let it touch anything else
2017-04-23T08:16:20 < ohsix> some type of degreasers have solvents for tha tjunk too
2017-04-23T08:17:01 < ohsix> well, 'for', they'll work on it
2017-04-23T08:18:30 < ohsix> protonate all the things
2017-04-23T08:30:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, is gel drain cleaner NaOH?
2017-04-23T08:30:24 < upgrdman> i have pellets of that, guess i could mix up a paste of it
2017-04-23T08:31:12 < upgrdman> but arent hard water stains alkali? would a strong base remove them?
2017-04-23T08:37:49 < ReadError> upgrdman: sulfuric
2017-04-23T08:37:51 < ReadError> maybe
2017-04-23T08:37:55 < ReadError> check the SDS
2017-04-23T08:38:08 < ReadError> (for gel drain shit)
2017-04-23T08:38:17 < upgrdman> k
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2017-04-23T09:59:09 < ReadError> dongs:
2017-04-23T09:59:19 < ReadError> look in lrh
2017-04-23T10:01:33 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/feedJOSu/multipumpz.png
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2017-04-23T10:16:53 < dongs> incredible
2017-04-23T10:17:28 < upgrdman> 0https://imgur.com/gallery/RpTGa
2017-04-23T10:17:32 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/gallery/RpTGa
2017-04-23T10:17:53 < ReadError> next up, 1.1MB of hard ansiz
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2017-04-23T12:13:47 < Steffanx> Where is crt?
2017-04-23T12:24:46 < Steffanx> Is that distributed ascii pumping ReadError
2017-04-23T12:24:56 < ReadError> ya
2017-04-23T12:27:51 < dongs> kinda impressive
2017-04-23T12:36:18 < ohsix> http://kaitai.io/#quick-start
2017-04-23T12:36:18 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-23T12:38:58 < zyp> ohsix, I looked at it before, considered trying it, but then I ended up going with construct instead
2017-04-23T12:39:00 < zyp> ref. https://construct.readthedocs.io/
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2017-04-23T12:45:40 < Steffanx> Fuck yaml. Seriously.
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2017-04-23T12:47:14 < zyp> fuck this fucking PLA as well
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2017-04-23T12:47:34 < Steffanx> Hah, raging sunday.
2017-04-23T12:47:43 < zyp> or rather, fuck this fucking print bed on this fucking 3D-printer
2017-04-23T12:47:56 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/mmNmG.mpg <- look at this warping
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2017-04-23T13:01:29 < kakimir> I need coding musics
2017-04-23T13:05:01 < kakimir> I write it in ircs and youtube recommends programming musics next
2017-04-23T13:05:13 < kakimir> keylogger much?
2017-04-23T13:11:44 < dongs> zyp, know off the top of your head any usbc passthrough shits that i can use to tap stuff
2017-04-23T13:11:54 < dongs> im not paying 10k for a test cable
2017-04-23T13:12:52 < zyp> which signals do you need passed through?
2017-04-23T13:12:55 < dongs> all
2017-04-23T13:13:07 < dongs> http://hackaday.com/2016/05/19/usb-c-analyzer/i guess I better hackaday this
2017-04-23T13:13:08 < zyp> the diff lanes too?
2017-04-23T13:13:34 < dongs> i might need to probe them, but not really fuck with them
2017-04-23T13:14:21 < dongs> https://github.com/GoARKS/USB-C-thru ok, looks like its opensores enough
2017-04-23T13:14:23 < dongs> for me to just clone
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2017-04-23T13:14:38 < dongs> expecting awful kikecad shit
2017-04-23T13:14:46 < dongs> lol ocard
2017-04-23T13:14:56 < kakimir> hello dongs
2017-04-23T13:15:01 < zyp> is that this shit? http://chilealdia.biz/2016/02/24/usb-c-thru-open-usb-type-cpd-probe-designed-for-developers-interested-in-compliance-testing-and-for-enthusiasts-interested-in-exploring-usb-type-cpd/
2017-04-23T13:15:08 < dongs> ya
2017-04-23T13:15:11 < zyp> ah, yeah
2017-04-23T13:15:14 < dongs> it was some failed dickstarter
2017-04-23T13:15:30 < zyp> haha, 6L board
2017-04-23T13:15:49 < dongs> gotta signal integrity
2017-04-23T13:17:54 < zyp> fucking warping bullshit
2017-04-23T13:18:24 < zyp> PLA doesn't want to stick to the bed surface, but it sticks nicely to blue tape
2017-04-23T13:18:42 < zyp> so I put down a layer of that, and now the corners are still warping and pulling the tape loose
2017-04-23T13:22:50 < Steffanx> Hehe.
2017-04-23T13:23:03 < dongs> 3d dicking
2017-04-23T13:23:05 < dongs> usual aids
2017-04-23T13:23:43 < zyp> yeah
2017-04-23T13:24:04 < zyp> I tried a sample of PETG last week, that behaved a lot better than this PLA
2017-04-23T13:24:09 < zyp> so I need to buy a reel of that
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2017-04-23T14:32:31 < kakimir> time to create world level C codes
2017-04-23T14:33:27 < Steffanx> aka crap.
2017-04-23T14:33:37 < dongs> kikecodes
2017-04-23T14:34:42 < kakimir> you know dongs my surname fin "kaik.." is pronounced exactly like eng "kike"
2017-04-23T14:34:48 < englishman> good morning innovators
2017-04-23T14:36:43 < Steffanx> Good morning fellow millenial.
2017-04-23T14:36:52 < Steffanx> +n
2017-04-23T14:37:04 < dongs> http://www.cypress.com/documentation/reference-designs/ccg1-type-c-legacy-usb-device-cable-paddle-card-reference-schematics
2017-04-23T14:37:48 < kakimir> is there any good alternatives to putty?
2017-04-23T14:38:00 < Steffanx> no.
2017-04-23T14:38:04 < dongs> whats a paddle card
2017-04-23T14:38:07 < kakimir> puttytray somehow stoped functioning after win10 creators upgrade
2017-04-23T14:38:09 < Steffanx> its called linux, kakimir
2017-04-23T14:38:19 < dongs> kakimir: works on my machine .png
2017-04-23T14:38:21 < Steffanx> or os x.
2017-04-23T14:38:34 < dongs> OSX is totally great
2017-04-23T14:38:39 < dongs> if you don't wanna do anything on your computer
2017-04-23T14:38:42 < englishman> interesting name for that mitm board, soldered right onto usbc plug
2017-04-23T14:38:55 < kakimir> maybe redownload puttytray
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2017-04-23T14:39:56 < kakimir> no workkin dot exe
2017-04-23T14:40:03 < dongs> how is it "not working" dude.
2017-04-23T14:40:06 < dongs> its just a fucking .exe
2017-04-23T14:40:16 < kakimir> nothing happens.exe
2017-04-23T14:40:23 < dongs> you're retarded
2017-04-23T14:40:27 < dongs> install osx
2017-04-23T14:40:29 < dongs> immediately.
2017-04-23T14:40:49 < kakimir> if I could get it to my zenbook - maybe
2017-04-23T14:43:53 < englishman> still unsure if steffan is srs or just a millennial trying to be funny
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2017-04-23T14:44:04 < englishman> worst generation ever
2017-04-23T14:44:21 < kakimir> sure thing
2017-04-23T14:47:14 < Steffanx> Yeah, we are the worst.
2017-04-23T14:48:06 < Steffanx> and i only said it to annoy you, because you love that word, mr englishman
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2017-04-23T14:51:15 < Steffanx> or did you mean the osx/linux thing englishman? I was kinda serious about that too, putty is meh.
2017-04-23T14:52:01 < englishman> putty is meh but it works and hasnt changed in 50 years so i don't have to relearn it every month like whatever hipster program os is using this week
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2017-04-23T14:52:31 < Steffanx> 50 years .. see there is the issue. It's 2017. Not 1967.
2017-04-23T14:53:07 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdzQZR-akSU coding musics found
2017-04-23T14:53:38 < englishman> i don't see the issue
2017-04-23T14:53:48 < englishman> we haven't successfully sent trump to the moon yet
2017-04-23T14:54:30 < dongs> putty.js
2017-04-23T14:55:11 < englishman> ribbon gui
2017-04-23T14:55:27 < Steffanx> windows much.
2017-04-23T14:55:40 < englishman> can you imagine if putty followed every design trend
2017-04-23T14:55:43 < dongs> no, putty.js would run in the cloud
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2017-04-23T14:55:56 < dongs> and communicate with json to something
2017-04-23T14:55:56 < Steffanx> i meant the lovely ribbon, isnt that patented by ms.
2017-04-23T14:56:34 < dongs> ribbon is worst fucking ever UI element
2017-04-23T14:56:43 < dongs> when office switched from menus to ribbon it became completely unusable
2017-04-23T14:56:47 < dongs> 100 clicks to find something
2017-04-23T14:56:57 < dongs> instead of pressing alt and left/right arrow keys and reading
2017-04-23T14:57:05 < dongs> also ACTUAL TEXT WITH MEANING replaced by retarded pictograms
2017-04-23T14:57:16 < englishman> office is dead
2017-04-23T14:57:23 < englishman> even google docs doesnt have ribbon
2017-04-23T14:57:27 < dongs> snort
2017-04-23T14:57:30 < Steffanx> libreoffice \o/
2017-04-23T14:57:31 < dongs> i wouldnt know
2017-04-23T14:57:34 < dongs> cuz i install office 2013
2017-04-23T14:57:35 < dongs> or 2010?
2017-04-23T14:57:36 < dongs> whatever
2017-04-23T14:57:39 < dongs> the last thing without ribbon
2017-04-23T14:57:39 < englishman> haha libreoffice
2017-04-23T14:57:52 < Steffanx> yeah, i used draw.. what a wonderful too.
2017-04-23T14:57:54 < Steffanx> l
2017-04-23T14:58:15 < englishman> to make invitations for your birthday party?
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2017-04-23T14:59:58 < Steffanx> flowchart stuff. But such a useless tool compared to visio.
2017-04-23T15:02:04 < Steffanx> I wouldnt even dare to make my birthday party invitations with that mr englishman
2017-04-23T15:03:37 < Steffanx> Even if i would, you wouldnt get one, you are mean.
2017-04-23T15:03:43 < sync_> awww
2017-04-23T15:03:52 < kakimir> apparently guy I bought shit from died
2017-04-23T15:04:04 < sync_> sounds like an excuse
2017-04-23T15:04:06 < kakimir> before delivering
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2017-04-23T15:05:11 < kakimir> said he is ill and cant move from his appartment and last login 1month ago
2017-04-23T15:05:12 < Steffanx> lol, would be the best excuse ever though
2017-04-23T15:06:03 < dongs> zyp: https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/twinkie
2017-04-23T15:06:10 < kakimir> I need to contact his relatives that he is dead and also deliver my stuff for him
2017-04-23T15:06:29 < kakimir> he is unable
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2017-04-23T15:10:36 < englishman> i didnt get an invite to jpa- sauna party either :<
2017-04-23T15:10:42 < Steffanx> awh
2017-04-23T15:11:11 < englishman> hm why is that a chromium project
2017-04-23T15:11:22 < englishman> oh the OS
2017-04-23T15:14:01 < kakimir> how is summer in canadstan englishman ?
2017-04-23T15:14:12 < Steffanx> its still spring right?
2017-04-23T15:14:13 < kakimir> grass is growing already?
2017-04-23T15:14:14 < englishman> .wz cyqb
2017-04-23T15:15:06 < Steffanx> !wz bla
2017-04-23T15:15:08 < dieforirc> [Blantyre, Malawi] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 26°C. WSW wind: 30 kph. Humidity: 61%.
2017-04-23T15:15:15 < englishman> !wz cyqb
2017-04-23T15:15:15 < dieforirc> [CYQB, Canada] Fog. Temp is 1.4°C. Humidity: 100%.
2017-04-23T15:15:30 < Steffanx> 100% .. time to calibrate the sensors.
2017-04-23T15:15:44 < englishman> pretty sure it's fog soup over there
2017-04-23T15:15:44 < Steffanx> so you can use them in the open air too
2017-04-23T15:15:48 < kakimir> !wz EFKU
2017-04-23T15:15:49 < dieforirc> [EFKU, Finland] Clear. Temp is 5°C. NW wind: 7 kph. Humidity: 57%.
2017-04-23T15:15:59 < kakimir> !wz EFRA
2017-04-23T15:16:00 < dieforirc> [EFRA, Finland] Ice Pellets. Temp is 7.1°C but feels like 4°C. North wind: 14.8 kph. Humidity: 55%.
2017-04-23T15:16:07 < englishman> !wz csg5
2017-04-23T15:16:08 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-04-23T15:16:32 < englishman> the grass is green tho, yes
2017-04-23T15:16:59 < kakimir> this thing works with aerodrome albhabetic codename
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2017-04-23T15:18:17 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjy1rn9XpGM
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2017-04-23T15:56:51 < invzim> once you go 0603 you don't go back (to 0805)?
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2017-04-23T16:10:37 < ReadError> sure
2017-04-23T16:10:47 < ReadError> why buy different sizes
2017-04-23T16:10:55 < ReadError> unless you need
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2017-04-23T16:14:16 < Laurenceb_> http://www.borgenmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Warlords.jpg
2017-04-23T16:14:34 < Getty> #stm32 field trip ;)
2017-04-23T16:15:04 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-04-23T17:00:47 < kakimir> can I make my own integer value suffixes?
2017-04-23T17:03:46 < kakimir> #define NSCIT UL
2017-04-23T17:03:49 < kakimir> like this?
2017-04-23T17:04:35 < Steffanx> better go C++.
2017-04-23T17:05:09 < kakimir> does that work Steffanx ?
2017-04-23T17:05:23 < kakimir> I will see as soon as I compile this
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2017-04-23T17:09:26 < kakimir> okay it doesn't like it
2017-04-23T17:13:22 < kakimir> c++11 makes it possible
2017-04-23T17:13:31 < Steffanx> yes
2017-04-23T17:34:23 < kakimir> recommend softwares to install Steffanx
2017-04-23T17:34:31 < Steffanx> uh?
2017-04-23T17:35:08 < kakimir> something that you have found useful
2017-04-23T17:35:28 < Steffanx> nRF Connect.
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2017-04-23T17:40:41 < Steffanx> Maybe our favourite indian has better recommendations, kakimir
2017-04-23T17:44:58 < kakimir> oh do we have Indian here?
2017-04-23T17:46:41 < kakimir> what have you done with nRF?
2017-04-23T17:47:25 < kakimir> I should get into these radio things
2017-04-23T17:48:34 < kakimir> I figured I rather you bluetooth to sync my loggers and download data
2017-04-23T17:49:15 < Steffanx> Some ble led thingy kakimir. Just didnt get to write the fw yet.
2017-04-23T17:49:20 < kakimir> than 1) remove microSD 2) connect rs232 or usb in splashproofed desing
2017-04-23T17:49:39 < kakimir> I rather clue the card in place there will be impacts
2017-04-23T17:50:07 < Steffanx> used these tiny modules http://www.ebay.com/itm/NRF51822-04-BLE4-0-Wireless-Bluetooth-Module-TTL-Low-Power-Consumption-3-3V-New-/262740413975?hash=item3d2c8c8e17:g:2J8AAOSwiONYPYZ-
2017-04-23T17:54:01 < kakimir> why?
2017-04-23T17:54:15 < Steffanx> Why not?
2017-04-23T17:58:16 < kakimir> why not big one
2017-04-23T17:59:50 < Steffanx> because the entire pcb tiny.
2017-04-23T18:00:37 < Steffanx> https://m.imgur.com/a/ia0y5 kakimir
2017-04-23T18:04:01 < Laurenceb_> what is kakimir making?
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2017-04-23T18:04:15 < Steffanx> Space cake.
2017-04-23T18:04:39 < Laurenceb_> moar liek spice cake
2017-04-23T18:05:02 < Laurenceb_> bluetooth? dataloggers?!
2017-04-23T18:05:10 < Laurenceb_> sounds liek my day job
2017-04-23T18:05:18 < Laurenceb_> just needs some labview
2017-04-23T18:05:32 < Laurenceb_> and babby
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2017-04-23T18:13:58 < Laurenceb_> The EMdrive is real. Let's face it, the nazis had antigravity figured out and Hitler is out there hiding in space... somewhere
2017-04-23T18:14:42 < Laurenceb_> if I wasn't convinced before I am now
2017-04-23T18:33:50 < kakimir> Steffanx: is this your first project? not to judge.
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2017-04-23T18:47:48  * TheSeven wonders if anyone has ever tried to figure out if the stm32 bootloader flash can be overwritten
2017-04-23T18:49:24 < tpw_rules> i suspect it's in mask rom
2017-04-23T18:49:30 < tpw_rules> but maybe not
2017-04-23T18:50:19 < TheSeven> several locations in the docs claim that it's factory programmed flash and protected against spurious overwriting
2017-04-23T18:50:25 < TheSeven> whatever the latter means
2017-04-23T18:50:28 < tpw_rules> ahh, wasn't aware
2017-04-23T18:50:42 < tpw_rules> i do know they have their special flash area for calibration data
2017-04-23T18:50:55 < tpw_rules> i did recently read an article on dumping a cypress psoc secure rom
2017-04-23T18:51:22 < tpw_rules> http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=23.%20PSoC4
2017-04-23T18:51:39 < TheSeven> now the question is do they really make overwriting that physically impossible during production, or does it just need a weird access sequence
2017-04-23T18:51:53 < tpw_rules> were they doing it properly, they'd burn a fuse
2017-04-23T18:54:16 < Steffanx> lol no kakimir.
2017-04-23T18:54:38 < tpw_rules> ah yeah it says "programmed by ST during production"
2017-04-23T18:54:55 < tpw_rules> is it dumpable?
2017-04-23T18:55:49 < kakimir> Steffanx: do you work in EE field?
2017-04-23T18:55:53 < kakimir> or programming?
2017-04-23T18:55:56 < Steffanx> both?
2017-04-23T18:56:08 < kakimir> nice
2017-04-23T18:56:15 < kakimir> what kind of stuff?
2017-04-23T18:56:17 < kakimir> general?
2017-04-23T18:57:55 < Steffanx> Kinda everything. Company i work for makes whatever client/customers want us to make.
2017-04-23T19:01:33 < Steffanx> I know that is a bit generic, but that's what it is kakimir :)
2017-04-23T19:02:55 < kakimir> some linux boards mainly?
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2017-04-23T19:03:21 < kakimir> with some custom functionality
2017-04-23T19:04:26 < kakimir> or more of the electronic device type of thing
2017-04-23T19:06:20 < Steffanx> microcontrollers mainly.
2017-04-23T19:06:45 < dongs> do tehy make DONGLES
2017-04-23T19:07:13 < kakimir> are you the boss Steffanx ?
2017-04-23T19:07:19 < Steffanx> lol i wish.
2017-04-23T19:07:28 < Steffanx> no dongles, dongs.
2017-04-23T19:08:16 < Steffanx> whatever a dongle might be in this case.
2017-04-23T19:12:00 < kakimir> sexism trigger?
2017-04-23T19:14:26 < tpw_rules> downvote
2017-04-23T19:17:07 < Steffanx> twitter says you are an sjw, is it true tpw_rules?
2017-04-23T19:17:18 < tpw_rules> what do you think
2017-04-23T19:17:53 < Steffanx> It doesnt matter what i think, it matter is it's true or not ;)
2017-04-23T19:18:02 < Steffanx> *if it's
2017-04-23T19:18:17 < tpw_rules> well i figured you had answered that
2017-04-23T19:18:26 < Steffanx> Not yet.
2017-04-23T19:18:44 < tpw_rules> i wouldn't have put it there if it were wrong
2017-04-23T19:18:52 < Steffanx> ok
2017-04-23T19:19:14 < Steffanx> You'll be good friends with Laurenceb_ then.
2017-04-23T19:19:41 < tpw_rules> so back on topic, does anybody actually use the hal
2017-04-23T19:21:11 < tpw_rules> i'm considering just stealing the headers
2017-04-23T19:21:59 < kakimir> ##sjw32
2017-04-23T19:25:43 < Steffanx> You mean the register definitions etc tpw_rules?
2017-04-23T19:25:50 < tpw_rules> in the headers, yes
2017-04-23T19:25:56 < Steffanx> Except for the maybe license issues.. i dont see an issue there :)
2017-04-23T19:31:12 < Steffanx> englishman, you did ble. Im curious what you did with the company id. Just cheated and took a random one?
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2017-04-23T19:54:40 < kakimir> what these mcus do when you overflow a subtraction of a 32bit variable and what does C standard say?
2017-04-23T19:55:07 < kakimir> *sorry sum operation
2017-04-23T19:56:09 < kakimir> is there any fault handlers or anything called?
2017-04-23T19:56:12 < kakimir> maybe some flag?
2017-04-23T19:59:26 < jaakkos> kakimir: for unsigned variables it's defined to do modulo
2017-04-23T19:59:59 < jaakkos> for signed ones, looks like it might be undefined behavior
2017-04-23T20:00:38 < jaakkos> though in my experience they jump from eg. INT_MAX to INT_MIN
2017-04-23T20:01:06 < kakimir> it is defined where?
2017-04-23T20:01:34 < Steffanx> C standard.
2017-04-23T20:01:35 < Steffanx> :P
2017-04-23T20:02:00 < branjb> i need $15 more of stuff in my amazon cart
2017-04-23T20:02:20 < kakimir> fart bags
2017-04-23T20:03:01 < branjb> https://www.amazon.com/Loftus-72-Individual-Fart-Bombs/dp/B000PGLJFY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492966970&sr=8-1&keywords=fart+bag ?
2017-04-23T20:03:02 < kakimir> some adapters, cables, power supplies?
2017-04-23T20:03:25 < jaakkos> kakimir: C99 standard 6.2.5.9
2017-04-23T20:04:19 < kakimir> thanks
2017-04-23T20:06:42 < Steffanx> branjb: https://www.amazon.com/Daelmans-Caramel-Wafers-2-Tins/dp/B01977S1L6/ref=sr_1_14_s_it?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1492967181&sr=1-14&keywords=stroopwafel
2017-04-23T20:07:16 < branjb> not a same day item
2017-04-23T20:07:28 < Steffanx> awh
2017-04-23T20:07:33 < kakimir> incense
2017-04-23T20:07:51 < branjb> 72 fart bombs for $10 is tempting
2017-04-23T20:08:00 < Steffanx> How old are you?
2017-04-23T20:08:22 < kakimir> then do not actually burn those but keep them on table to give nice Oriental vibes
2017-04-23T20:08:28 < branjb> "everywhere in the building wafted the unbearable scent of chemically synthesized colo-rectal gas and fecal bacteria. "
2017-04-23T20:08:30 < branjb> 30
2017-04-23T20:08:42 < kakimir> :D
2017-04-23T20:09:07 < branjb> "If you decide to order this case of fart bombs, know that it carries a massive responsibility for whomever attempts to wield it. There is great and terrible power in that box."
2017-04-23T20:12:28 < jadew> "You can abort a calibration at any time by pressing any front-panel key (except Cancel)."
2017-04-23T20:12:58 < jadew> I wonder what happens if you press cancel
2017-04-23T20:13:11 < branjb> only one way to find out
2017-04-23T20:15:02 < branjb> i2c sucks
2017-04-23T20:15:12 < branjb> one device on bus, talk to it, it works just fine
2017-04-23T20:15:23 < branjb> take it off the bus, put a diff one on it, it works fine
2017-04-23T20:15:25 < sync_> jadew: selfdestruct the device
2017-04-23T20:15:35 < branjb> put them both on it and something randomly holds clock low after awhile
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2017-04-23T20:43:01 < kakimir> pants off
2017-04-23T20:43:11 < kakimir> time to code hard
2017-04-23T20:44:43 < sync_> time for kalsarikännit?
2017-04-23T20:46:19 < kakimir> kalsarikoodit maybe
2017-04-23T20:50:13 < Thorn> https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=xc7z020-2clg484 $150 with no price breaks
2017-04-23T20:50:19 < Thorn> what kind of project is it justified for?
2017-04-23T20:52:04 < sync_> building dsp heavy stuff
2017-04-23T20:52:13 < sync_> say a scope or spectrum analyzer, maybe a radar
2017-04-23T20:54:44 < kakimir> $150 is still something that hobbyist can afford
2017-04-23T20:58:13  * invzim makes resistor library
2017-04-23T20:58:46 < invzim> should have done it long time ago, instead of adding to my singular personal library
2017-04-23T21:00:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Ne9sRcSrM musics.
2017-04-23T21:00:10 < kakimir> invzim: library as?
2017-04-23T21:00:29 < kakimir> hey thanks for reminding I need some big smd resistor assortment
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2017-04-23T21:00:41 < kakimir> if there is chinacheapos
2017-04-23T21:01:23 < invzim> kakimir: altium library
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2017-04-23T21:02:03 < invzim> kakimir: as I spent a couple of brain cycles on this..  standardize on 1%
2017-04-23T21:02:16  * kakimir puckers
2017-04-23T21:02:31 < invzim> price difference is minimal, and you only need to stock/keep inventory of/make library for 1 variant
2017-04-23T21:02:33 < kakimir> you are saying not to have any 5% stuff
2017-04-23T21:02:38 < invzim> yes
2017-04-23T21:02:43 < kakimir> I have come to same conclusion
2017-04-23T21:02:54 < kakimir> some 5% are even more expensive than 1% ones
2017-04-23T21:03:24 < invzim> I picked up a nice kit off ebay recently
2017-04-23T21:03:26 < invzim> hold on
2017-04-23T21:04:18 < invzim> http://www.ebay.com/itm/232010319863?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
2017-04-23T21:04:25 < invzim> yageo 1%
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2017-04-23T21:05:12 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4250pcs-170-Value-1-1206-SMD-SMT-Chip-Resistors-Sample-Book-0ohm-to-10M-Kit-/262770132233
2017-04-23T21:05:54 < invzim> I would use 0805
2017-04-23T21:05:54 < kakimir> I have enought 0402 and 0603s
2017-04-23T21:06:13 < kakimir> I had 0805 kit but I gave it to local hacklab
2017-04-23T21:06:30 < kakimir> at least to borrow
2017-04-23T21:06:48 < kakimir> 0805 is the perfect size on pcb hacks
2017-04-23T21:06:54 < englishman> Steffanx: actually didnt use ble, just 2.4g
2017-04-23T21:06:59 < kakimir> but sometimes you need something even bigger
2017-04-23T21:07:17 < kakimir> they said btw. "those resistors are really tiny"
2017-04-23T21:07:26 < invzim> I like 0805, just now switching to 0603 to make stuff 'production friendly', also I'm getting a nice microscope :)
2017-04-23T21:07:45 < branjb> 0603 is small enough to be compact, but big enough to still do by hand
2017-04-23T21:07:52 < kakimir> what kind of microscope?
2017-04-23T21:07:52 < englishman> pff
2017-04-23T21:07:57 < branjb> i can't do 0402 by hand
2017-04-23T21:08:11 < englishman> 0402 is highly practical
2017-04-23T21:08:17 < englishman> time for glasses
2017-04-23T21:08:22 < branjb> i drink too much coffee, my hands always shake like a crack addict
2017-04-23T21:08:24 < kakimir> some have parkinsons
2017-04-23T21:08:30 < invzim> queue eye sight competition..
2017-04-23T21:08:39 < Steffanx> oh englishman.
2017-04-23T21:08:42 < kakimir> or some other condition with their hands
2017-04-23T21:08:49 < ReadError> englishman: join stress
2017-04-23T21:08:56 < Thorn> 0603 is not difficult to  solder by hand but tends to fly away when I try to take it out of the tape
2017-04-23T21:09:13 < invzim> I can't read the designator on 0603 without magnification
2017-04-23T21:09:14 < Steffanx> lol i never had that issue
2017-04-23T21:09:23 < englishman> branjb: you have to counter the coffee with whiskey
2017-04-23T21:09:27 < Steffanx> nor that issue invzim
2017-04-23T21:09:28 < englishman> so you're both alert and steady
2017-04-23T21:09:32 < kakimir> :D
2017-04-23T21:09:46 < branjb> does that work?
2017-04-23T21:09:48 < englishman> 0402 has no text so its a nonissue
2017-04-23T21:10:01 < invzim> because it's TOO DAMN SMALL TO READ
2017-04-23T21:10:02 < invzim> :)
2017-04-23T21:10:05 < englishman> nice ReadError
2017-04-23T21:10:19 < kakimir> there is a whole methodology how to move smd component around and solder it steadily
2017-04-23T21:10:47 < ReadError> think i got most of the byte limite shit fixed
2017-04-23T21:11:34 < englishman> the multinick pump is pro
2017-04-23T21:12:11 < ReadError> man dealing with multibyte strings
2017-04-23T21:12:14 < ReadError> and truncating
2017-04-23T21:12:19 < ReadError> is way harder than it seems
2017-04-23T21:12:26 < ReadError> w/ common tools
2017-04-23T21:12:43 < englishman> sounds like a job for Go
2017-04-23T21:12:52 < ReadError> bash has nothing
2017-04-23T21:13:22 < invzim> n00b question, what/who/how does garbage collection work if you do C++ on embedded like with stm32?
2017-04-23T21:14:33 < jaakkos> C++ doesn't do garbage collection
2017-04-23T21:15:57 < invzim> touche
2017-04-23T21:15:59 < branjb> haha
2017-04-23T21:16:10 < jaakkos> though i guess one could argue something like sd::shared_ptr comes close
2017-04-23T21:16:17 < jaakkos> *std
2017-04-23T21:16:49 < Thorn> assuming you're supposed to use operator new in the first place
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2017-04-23T21:24:27 < branjb> what does IPS refer to when it comes to drawings/CAD work?
2017-04-23T21:44:02 < kakimir> display panel type?
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2017-04-23T22:02:17 < ReadError> inches per __ ?
2017-04-23T22:04:36 < kakimir> it might be some marketing term intelligent something something
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2017-04-23T22:16:48 < kakimir> can I have macro like if something error endif
2017-04-23T22:16:53 < kakimir> inside macrodefine
2017-04-23T22:17:06 < kakimir> "inside" meaning defined by macrodefine
2017-04-23T22:17:52 < kakimir> I'm going thru a X macro and want to check if everything is okay buildtime
2017-04-23T22:18:39 < jadew> isn't there something like #error?
2017-04-23T22:19:47 < jadew> I finally understand why these boat anchor spectrum analyzers are still expensive and sought after
2017-04-23T22:19:54 < kakimir> I want to make a macro with condition
2017-04-23T22:20:08 < Amun_Ra> you can't have preprocessor directive inside a macro
2017-04-23T22:20:31 < jadew> I'm making some phase noise measurements and I figured I'd look for a newer SA that can do a better job - turns out there aren't many that can do that job
2017-04-23T22:20:34 < kakimir> fu
2017-04-23T22:21:11 < jadew> kakimir, why would you have that tho?
2017-04-23T22:21:32 < jadew> can't you just use the parameters of the macro or something to figure out if you should error out? what's the usage scenario?
2017-04-23T22:21:35 < kakimir> maybe I can figure out some arimethric way to get the result
2017-04-23T22:22:15 < kakimir> does macro 1<2 result in - 1?
2017-04-23T22:22:25 < jadew> huh?
2017-04-23T22:23:05 < Amun_Ra> you could use static assert alike macro
2017-04-23T22:23:16 < kakimir> if I have this (*<*)+(*<*)+...
2017-04-23T22:23:38 < kakimir> one cell per line of x macro
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2017-04-23T22:24:31 < kakimir> can I use such operator arimethically like that?
2017-04-23T22:24:40 < kakimir> < and >
2017-04-23T22:25:04 < jadew> wtf is (*<*)?
2017-04-23T22:25:40 < kakimir> * * are numbers another side being a macro defined constant
2017-04-23T22:26:01 < kakimir> another side being value from x maro
2017-04-23T22:26:05 < kakimir> macro*
2017-04-23T22:26:18 < jadew> so #define(a, b) ((a) < (b)) + ((a) < (b))?
2017-04-23T22:26:53 < jadew> are you using c++?
2017-04-23T22:27:41 < branjb> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1492974548094.png
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2017-04-23T22:28:20 < kakimir> jadew: no
2017-04-23T22:28:49 < jadew> kakimir, then try that with the define and if it's complaining cast the boolean result to an int or something
2017-04-23T22:29:48 < jadew> or have another macro that does the comparison and returns whatever value you need for true/false
2017-04-23T22:30:11 < kakimir> https://pastebin.com/57jnUV8n so I want #error when one of these values is too low
2017-04-23T22:30:35 < kakimir> and another macro that gives #error when one of these values is too high
2017-04-23T22:30:49 < jadew> hold on, it says there that those are the only values you can have
2017-04-23T22:30:58 < jadew> that means that for example 500, is not ok
2017-04-23T22:31:00 < jadew> is it?
2017-04-23T22:31:28 < kakimir> #define NANOSECOND_CLOCK_MINIMUM_UPDATE_INTERVAL 250UL								//How many nanoseconds there at least is interval between every update. Note CPU time restrictions. Probably calling interrupt more often than one time in hundred core clock cycles would cause system to block.
2017-04-23T22:31:34 < jadew> you can do
2017-04-23T22:31:41 < jadew> #if (X < 250)
2017-04-23T22:31:42 < kakimir> of there was comment
2017-04-23T22:31:44 < jadew> #error Whatever
2017-04-23T22:31:46 < jadew> #endif
2017-04-23T22:31:57 < kakimir> *oh
2017-04-23T22:32:44 < kakimir> how do I pass that to x macro jadew ?
2017-04-23T22:32:56 < jadew> pass what?
2017-04-23T22:33:08 < jadew> ah, I see what you mean
2017-04-23T22:33:21 < jadew> you can't
2017-04-23T22:33:53 < jadew> you can generate an compile time error tho
2017-04-23T22:34:01 < kakimir> there is simply no way I can do build time per X check that .. tell me
2017-04-23T22:34:16 < jadew> wait, you can't
2017-04-23T22:34:20 < jadew> use c++
2017-04-23T22:34:22 < kakimir> yeah
2017-04-23T22:34:24 < kakimir> no
2017-04-23T22:34:26 < jadew> all your problems will be solved
2017-04-23T22:34:29 < kakimir> I do runtime check!
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2017-04-23T22:34:42 < kakimir> I already have a few of them
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2017-04-23T22:34:44 < jadew> runtime check for compile time constant...
2017-04-23T22:34:54 < kakimir> oh
2017-04-23T22:35:07 < kakimir> that is what I thought actually
2017-04-23T22:35:21 < kakimir> it will result in a constant
2017-04-23T22:35:38 < kakimir> but I need to run it still to see state of the constant
2017-04-23T22:36:26 < kakimir> what is the tightest interrupt loop you guise have done on m3 ?
2017-04-23T22:36:55 < kakimir> that has done actually something
2017-04-23T22:38:10 < branjb> if i want a camera to track an object, does it make more sense to have the PID loop running on the application side and just pass motor movements to the micro, or to have the application side just pass the location of the object to the micro and let the micro converge to the object?
2017-04-23T22:38:53 < kakimir> PID on micro
2017-04-23T22:39:39 < kakimir> then just pass the adjustments to micro
2017-04-23T22:40:20 < branjb> so ie, "100 pixel error in x direction, 200 pixel error in y direction" and let micro move stepper to reduce error
2017-04-23T22:43:25 < kakimir> my logic in this is to minimize required stream of control data to mcu and make mcu to be able run independantly the motors in case there is lags in the computer system
2017-04-23T22:44:17 < kakimir> mcu keeps tracking per the latest data with smooth movements
2017-04-23T22:45:20 < kakimir> else you just could throw the mcu out of the equation and run steppers from paraller port or such
2017-04-23T22:45:26 < kakimir> directly
2017-04-23T22:45:53 < kakimir> have maybe even some steppers with busses that connect easily to computer
2017-04-23T22:46:14 < englishman> just dont have any error
2017-04-23T22:46:17 < englishman> problem solved
2017-04-23T22:46:32 < kakimir> what are you doing branjb
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2017-04-23T22:46:52 < kakimir> I should make a gimbal sooner or later for dslr
2017-04-23T22:47:14 < branjb> it's just a project for a machine vision class
2017-04-23T22:47:36 < branjb> camera on a gimbal, track some features on an object, do something useful with tracked data (move camera to keep tracking it)
2017-04-23T22:49:13 < kakimir> interesting stuffs
2017-04-23T22:49:26 < kakimir> what kind of computer vision tools you are using?
2017-04-23T22:49:37 < kakimir> how much you have time for the project?
2017-04-23T22:49:51 < kakimir> and is there other students working on the same project?
2017-04-23T22:50:05 < branjb> emgucv (c# opencv wrapper, it's complete horseshit)
2017-04-23T22:50:32 < kakimir> how much easy computer vision is?
2017-04-23T22:50:34 < branjb> gotta be done with it in two weeks.  i've probably already done enough to be done, but the control is really shitty right now
2017-04-23T22:51:13 < kakimir> what is the problem with it?
2017-04-23T22:51:32 < kakimir> update interval and general inaccuracy?
2017-04-23T22:51:34 < branjb> it's not much, using an out of the box SURF feature detect algorithm, essentially just "here's features from the template, find the template in the video frame
2017-04-23T22:51:51 < branjb> it's accurate but when the camera is moving it tends to blur, so it gets false positives all over the screen
2017-04-23T22:52:01 < branjb> need to slow it down so it only sends updates when the camera is not moving
2017-04-23T22:52:11 < kakimir> how much crunch it likes to have when it performing such a task?
2017-04-23T22:52:21 < branjb> crunch?
2017-04-23T22:52:51 < kakimir> newest GPU is a good option to have?
2017-04-23T22:53:20 < branjb> lol i was trying to run it off the GPU but emgucv/opencv is full of memory leaks
2017-04-23T22:53:31 < branjb> i could never track down the GPU memory leak so i just use the processor
2017-04-23T22:53:37 < branjb> gets about 10-15 fps on i7
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2017-04-23T22:54:17 < kakimir> what is the video frame size you input to it?
2017-04-23T22:54:37 < branjb> 640/480
2017-04-23T22:55:06 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/JXc3P
2017-04-23T22:55:43 < kakimir> quite shitty
2017-04-23T22:55:49 < kakimir> would be decent on GPU
2017-04-23T22:55:55 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/7UKjT
2017-04-23T22:56:42 < branjb> still images don't show much
2017-04-23T22:56:43 < kakimir> is that a vape pipe?
2017-04-23T22:56:48 < branjb> lol yeah
2017-04-23T22:57:02 < kakimir> looks professional
2017-04-23T22:58:22 < kakimir> how much vaping costs with good vape?
2017-04-23T22:59:03 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/WJuSA
2017-04-23T22:59:16 < branjb> i think it can get expensive, i don't use it that often
2017-04-23T22:59:22 < branjb> maybe $20-30/month
2017-04-23T23:00:34 < kakimir> you use it for an ornament?
2017-04-23T23:01:07 < kakimir> oh shit are those some mad gears in the last pic?
2017-04-23T23:01:15 < branjb> that's the camera turret
2017-04-23T23:03:25 < branjb> just 3d printed gears
2017-04-23T23:04:50 < kakimir> better pics?
2017-04-23T23:05:16 < branjb> in a min, on the phone atm
2017-04-23T23:06:38 < kakimir> I go to sauna and eat meanwhile>
2017-04-23T23:09:07 < Steffanx> oh no, another vaper in tha house?
2017-04-23T23:29:58 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/UXCSn
2017-04-23T23:34:31 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-04-23T23:34:39 < Laurenceb_> I am indeed an sjw
2017-04-23T23:34:48 < Laurenceb_> I for one welcome intersectionality
2017-04-23T23:34:56 < Laurenceb_> and object to all TERFs
2017-04-23T23:35:35 < Laurenceb_>  /!\ SJW alert! /!\ in college for EE he/him/his 100% a gay
2017-04-23T23:35:36 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-04-23T23:36:23 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C93rRbPW0AAqLYB.jpg
2017-04-23T23:36:34 < Laurenceb_> hitting levels of irony that shouldn't even be possible
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2017-04-23T23:53:58 < ohsix> American Action News Illegal Alien Kidnaps Autistics Woman, Does the Unthinkable - Trump Awards Wounded Veteran Obama Attempts To Sway a Foreign Election View in browser | Unsubscribe Illegal Alien Kidnaps Autistics Woman, Does the Unthinkable DISGUSTING! VIDEO: Race Baiting
2017-04-23T23:54:34 < Laurenceb_> sounds entertaining
2017-04-23T23:54:42 < Laurenceb_> news for trolls
2017-04-23T23:54:54 < ohsix> zyp: nice, does this one have an editor that you can use the description with?
2017-04-23T23:56:34 < zyp> construct? no, it's all python
2017-04-23T23:56:57 < zyp> I used it for the zwave protocol shit I were messing around with some weeks ago
2017-04-23T23:57:52 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/leZ6M
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2017-04-24T00:18:36 < tpw_rules> Laurenceb_: lol
2017-04-24T00:18:44 < tpw_rules> anybody hasn't stalked me yet?
2017-04-24T00:19:36 < tpw_rules> construct is pretty nice
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2017-04-24T00:24:11 < tpw_rules> ohsix: https://pastebin.com/FZUgTUDp here's one i made
2017-04-24T00:24:24 < tpw_rules> i made two of my own classes to make using it easier
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2017-04-24T00:49:28 < upgrdman> R2COM, whats an led shunt? silicon that conducts if the voltage across it is <x?
2017-04-24T00:49:43 < upgrdman> presumably with a delay so it doesnt always trigger at power on
2017-04-24T00:50:08 < upgrdman> err hmm i guess it would be if >x
2017-04-24T00:50:15 < upgrdman> and no need for a delay then
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2017-04-24T01:13:53 < ReadError> omg
2017-04-24T01:13:54 < ReadError> Laurenceb_:
2017-04-24T01:13:56 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKg8kl_fFuk
2017-04-24T01:13:59 < ReadError> watch this ASAP
2017-04-24T01:16:29 < PeterM> been there, done that
2017-04-24T01:16:40 < PeterM> she wazs smokin' af
2017-04-24T01:16:58 < PeterM> defs a bit.. unique though
2017-04-24T01:19:03 < ReadError> assburgers
2017-04-24T01:19:04 < ReadError> i thin
2017-04-24T01:19:05 < ReadError> k
2017-04-24T01:19:11 < ReadError> and canadian
2017-04-24T01:19:26 < PeterM> that one for sure
2017-04-24T01:23:22 < aandrew> what the fuck is that ReadError
2017-04-24T01:23:29 < aandrew> jesus more men with little girl fetishes
2017-04-24T01:24:18 < ReadError> huh no
2017-04-24T01:24:36 < ReadError> this shit seems right up Laurenceb_'s alley tho
2017-04-24T01:25:36 < aandrew> we just had over 100 dudes arrested in tooronto for sex crimes against kids
2017-04-24T01:25:37 < aandrew> jesus
2017-04-24T01:25:40 < aandrew> so fucking gross
2017-04-24T01:25:44 < ReadError> so my phone the other day had caityln jenner or w/e has undergone full re-assignment on its breaking news ^.^
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2017-04-24T01:26:10 < ReadError> figured they could have found something better to fill 1/4 spots with
2017-04-24T01:26:31 < aandrew> "gothick classic punk and edgy" wtf
2017-04-24T01:26:35 < aandrew> just say you haven't got a fucking clue
2017-04-24T01:26:54 < ReadError> wait till you see the guy lol
2017-04-24T01:27:58 < aandrew> HAHAHAHHAA
2017-04-24T01:28:07 < aandrew> wtf
2017-04-24T01:28:34 < aandrew> https://youtu.be/DKg8kl_fFuk?t=374
2017-04-24T01:28:37 < aandrew> pretty sure that's another dude
2017-04-24T01:29:26 < ReadError> ohh lol didnt notice that one
2017-04-24T01:29:36 < ReadError> but yea you are probably right
2017-04-24T01:48:55 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2017-04-24T01:49:06 < Laurenceb_> lol vice "news"
2017-04-24T01:49:18 < Laurenceb_> its like news for trolls yet somehow it takes itself seriously
2017-04-24T01:49:27 < Laurenceb_> very poe
2017-04-24T01:50:10 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2017-04-24T01:50:21 < Laurenceb_> A LEAD, A FUCKING LEAF
2017-04-24T01:50:48 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/70th8oY.jpg
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2017-04-24T02:24:56 < ReadError> https://imgur.com/Xj85j8T?r Laurenceb_ irl
2017-04-24T02:29:36 < branjb> A clock is routed to a flip-flop through a 373μm long wire which is found to have a delay of 26.3psec. If this same wire continues to connect to a second flip-flop, what is the maximum distance it can go in microns before the clock skew exceeds 63psec? Neglect the input capacitance of the flip-flops.
2017-04-24T02:29:59 < aandrew> lol ReadError
2017-04-24T02:35:49 < branjb> is roughly same distance a technical term?
2017-04-24T02:44:41 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/WtOvl
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2017-04-24T02:45:57 < englishman> haha
2017-04-24T02:46:26 < englishman> dude that's like the simplest VLSI question
2017-04-24T02:46:28 < aandrew> hahaha
2017-04-24T02:46:28 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_0iFOtmPoE&feature=youtu.be
2017-04-24T02:46:31 < branjb> it was 577
2017-04-24T02:46:51 < branjb> but i guess that is roughly the same as 373
2017-04-24T02:47:08 < englishman> 373/26.3 * 63
2017-04-24T02:47:11 < branjb> A VLSI designer plans to pipeline a data path using D-type flip-flops with tclk-to-Q = 31 psec, tsetup = 25 psec and thold = 37 psec. If a 590 MHz clock is used with a maximum clock skew of 58 psec, and each gate delay is 44 psec, then what is the minimum number of logic gates that must be used between flip-flops?
2017-04-24T02:47:16 < englishman> stop
2017-04-24T02:47:19 < branjb> lol
2017-04-24T02:47:23 < englishman> this is not #homework
2017-04-24T02:47:25 < branjb> i'm just laughing at this class
2017-04-24T02:47:32 < englishman> and lol at taking advice from r2com
2017-04-24T02:47:43 < englishman> who has a phd in vlsi
2017-04-24T02:47:54 < branjb> does he?
2017-04-24T02:58:52 < ohsix> lul, found some good 18650s ... in a pack for a drill that fell out of someones truck
2017-04-24T02:59:03 < ohsix> hitachi bsl 1815x
2017-04-24T03:05:43 < ohsix> that's truckist, i mean their vehicle
2017-04-24T03:06:20 < ohsix> huhu
2017-04-24T03:06:23 < ohsix> sanyo cells
2017-04-24T03:07:38 < ohsix> https://na.industrial.panasonic.com/sites/default/pidsa/files/panasonic_li-ion_ur18650sax_datasheet.pdf
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2017-04-24T03:08:48 < ohsix> vapist cellz
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2017-04-24T03:22:01 < Laurenceb_> wtf those questions
2017-04-24T03:22:08 < Laurenceb_> irrelevant details much
2017-04-24T03:22:55 < Laurenceb_> reminds me  of a pile of my primary school work I found the other day
2017-04-24T03:23:00 < Laurenceb_> 7 years of bullshit
2017-04-24T03:23:18 < Laurenceb_> I mean I'd get about that much time in prison for murdering someone in UK
2017-04-24T03:28:05 < branjb> what do you mean
2017-04-24T03:28:10 < branjb> school prepares you for the real world
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2017-04-24T03:31:50 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-04-24T03:32:06 < Laurenceb_> prepares you for 9-5 and obedience to authority
2017-04-24T03:32:33 < Laurenceb_> and doing irrelevant makework simply because you are told to by your superior
2017-04-24T03:32:54 < Laurenceb_> I can't think of a single useful thing I learnt at school until I was about 14
2017-04-24T03:33:20 < Laurenceb_> tbh I'd have 2 years of compulsory school, 14-16
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2017-04-24T03:45:50 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-04-24T03:47:27 < branjb> yea
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2017-04-24T04:00:48 < Laurenceb_> define irony: being called a retard by R2COM
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2017-04-24T04:18:10 < ohsix> heh 'real world'
2017-04-24T04:18:17 < ohsix> not a knock against schools,  but that's not what they do
2017-04-24T04:18:18 < dekar> I wrote a circular buffer lib that works quite well on the STM32 for interrupt communication, DMA and the like: https://github.com/EliasOenal/etools
2017-04-24T04:18:45 < ohsix> they just as much prepare you to not work at mcdonalds, but you still might end up working at mcdonalds
2017-04-24T04:19:14 < ohsix> friend of mine i just ran into again recently has a phd and works at a paint store ;D
2017-04-24T04:19:19 < branjb> school has been a huge waste of time
2017-04-24T04:19:38 < ohsix> people that get to go to school have the luxury of saying that
2017-04-24T04:20:03 < ohsix> they're in an extended context of people being around to mentor and otherwise teach them stuff, and little else
2017-04-24T04:20:15 < branjb> only reason i'm doing it is higher salary/resume check box
2017-04-24T04:20:37 < branjb> i'm sure there's good schools out there, not mine though
2017-04-24T04:20:43 < branjb> not for electronic/computer engineering
2017-04-24T04:21:20 < dekar> The most useful thing about academic degrees IMO is that they enable many foreign employment visas, which means more options.
2017-04-24T04:21:28 < ohsix> it's great how business are constantly running around with their hair on fire asserting they can't find people
2017-04-24T04:21:38 < branjb> lol
2017-04-24T04:21:57 < branjb> that's 100% because what businesses are looking for in people is unrealistic
2017-04-24T04:23:44 < ohsix> also the right hand letting the left hand do some bad things and provide pr cover for it
2017-04-24T04:24:08 < branjb> businesses want people who can do everything for the price of an intern
2017-04-24T04:24:09 < ohsix> if it is impossible to find people, you can get randos on visas with the exact resume and zero baggage
2017-04-24T04:28:41 < Getty> here is a pet tracker thingy, which works through mobile network but doesnt require the customer to actually have a contract. By description it automatically logs into up to 100 different networks and the customer just need a 4 EUR fee per month
2017-04-24T04:29:00 < Getty> what is that? special deal with the providers or are there actually products for this?
2017-04-24T04:29:06 < ohsix> mvno
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2017-04-24T04:29:56 < ohsix> providers lease time on other networks, that's how shit works; there are providers that don't sell phones or other garbage and just carriage, those are mvnos
2017-04-24T04:31:14 < Getty> yeah reading up on it now, interesting, definitly need to check the products of those
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2017-04-24T05:29:24 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ohsix/32775955218.html
2017-04-24T05:30:20 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-24T05:33:53 < dongs> ok uh
2017-04-24T05:34:01 < dongs> is there such thing as USB-C board mount  *plug*
2017-04-24T05:34:09 < dongs> that is smt, and not center-mount
2017-04-24T05:43:29 < branjb> target price is 0
2017-04-24T06:18:54 < englishman> lol @ R2COM thinking his cookie cutter job is the pinnacle of human achievement
2017-04-24T06:24:24 < englishman> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpNpDM-enLw
2017-04-24T07:09:26 < englishman> dont you have work tomorrow? isnt it past your bedtime?
2017-04-24T07:10:11 < englishman> what makes you say that
2017-04-24T07:10:24 < englishman> right
2017-04-24T07:11:30 < englishman> always the anuses with you
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2017-04-24T07:12:05 < englishman> a sort of iron curtain
2017-04-24T07:12:07 < englishman> ?
2017-04-24T07:13:41 < englishman> k
2017-04-24T07:14:08 < englishman> citation needed
2017-04-24T07:14:56 < englishman> >i dont start picking on you
2017-04-24T07:15:02 < englishman> >you are shit
2017-04-24T07:15:04 < englishman> yea
2017-04-24T07:15:10 < englishman> i may not be good at math
2017-04-24T07:15:12 < englishman> but i can add
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2017-04-24T07:16:01 < englishman> did you have to pause your video game to chat? surely the game is more important
2017-04-24T07:16:28 < englishman> sorry you couldnt solve a simple linear math question for some kid's homework
2017-04-24T07:16:41 < englishman> no need to get angry
2017-04-24T07:17:38 < englishman> right, you constantly repeat how awesome you are
2017-04-24T07:17:41 < englishman> therefore it is true
2017-04-24T07:17:42 < englishman> right?
2017-04-24T07:18:03 < englishman> your irc validation
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2017-04-24T07:18:30 < englishman> gnite r2com
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2017-04-24T08:02:35 < Ultrasauce> i hear selling drugs is lucrative
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2017-04-24T08:11:41 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2YrDgwXAAEBHuG.jpg:large
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2017-04-24T09:08:58 < Steffanx> Lol R2COM triggered :P
2017-04-24T09:09:51 < upgrdman> i wonder what leeloo is up to. she was so fun to trigger.
2017-04-24T09:11:39 < Steffanx> Fellow canadians englishman and Ultrasauce should find out for us
2017-04-24T09:13:53 < upgrdman> is there a DickServ command to see when someone was last on? or in what channels?
2017-04-24T09:14:25 < upgrdman> she used to hang out in ##fpga but shes not there either
2017-04-24T09:17:13 < ohsix> nickserv info
2017-04-24T09:17:36 < ohsix> last seen 6 weeks ago
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2017-04-24T09:46:56 < Steffanx> Yeah everything he says is true
2017-04-24T09:47:06 < Steffanx> Jews did wtc iirc
2017-04-24T09:58:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ZhPvkGR.png any analog pros
2017-04-24T10:00:08 < upgrdman> how pro
2017-04-24T10:00:22 < Steffanx> Veru pro
2017-04-24T10:00:39 < upgrdman> looks like open drain pwm -> lfp
2017-04-24T10:00:55 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-24T10:01:04 < dongs> problem is its not reaching 5V
2017-04-24T10:01:07 < dongs> more like 4.4V
2017-04-24T10:01:17 < dongs> is that cuz gate thing is too high R?
2017-04-24T10:01:45 < upgrdman> and pwm is at 100% duty
2017-04-24T10:01:46 < upgrdman> ?
2017-04-24T10:01:50 < dongs> supposedly yeah
2017-04-24T10:01:57 < dongs> why is there a R1 even
2017-04-24T10:02:05 < dongs> oh , no thats not gonna
2017-04-24T10:02:07 < upgrdman> err 0
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2017-04-24T10:02:56 < upgrdman> if base is at GND, then it should go to 5V
2017-04-24T10:03:02 < dongs> right
2017-04-24T10:03:17 < upgrdman> is VOLUME low impedence or someshit?
2017-04-24T10:03:22 < dongs> no just voltage
2017-04-24T10:03:24 < dongs> oh
2017-04-24T10:03:26 < dongs> impedance, not sure
2017-04-24T10:04:05 < upgrdman> i guess i'd check the voltage across R1
2017-04-24T10:04:12 < upgrdman> it should be zero
2017-04-24T10:04:21 < upgrdman> if >0, current is flowing
2017-04-24T10:04:43 < upgrdman> and remove R3 and see if current stops flowing
2017-04-24T10:05:14 < upgrdman> is C8 some total shit with like 1 ohms of leakage or someshit
2017-04-24T10:05:24 < dongs> its the shittiest ceramic cap, no doubt
2017-04-24T10:06:42 < upgrdman> hmm is D5V_AUDIO == MCU_5V? is d5v is not actually 5v, then made esd diodes and turning on
2017-04-24T10:06:58 < upgrdman> err s/is/if, s/made/maybe
2017-04-24T10:08:14 < dongs> its same net
2017-04-24T10:08:16 < dongs> thorugh 0R
2017-04-24T10:08:18 < dongs> hmm
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2017-04-24T10:52:45 < dongs> how many jewcero devices did you buy englishman
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2017-04-24T10:54:07 < dongs> Launch a new year of innjovation with the TI Launchpad(tm) development kit
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2017-04-24T10:58:06 < dongs> <Xorp> https://i.redd.it/hnrh63bb8dty.jpg
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2017-04-24T10:58:08 < dongs> why is this funny
2017-04-24T10:59:21 < dongs> oh
2017-04-24T10:59:25 < dongs> is it about recent united thing
2017-04-24T11:03:05 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BTMWp2GAOfk/
2017-04-24T11:07:04 < ohsix> https://radmars.itch.io/radnet hehe
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2017-04-24T11:54:19 < Steffanx> jaakkos are you kapsi supporter?
2017-04-24T11:54:42 < Steffanx> And where is crt/stm32/stvn?
2017-04-24T12:05:54 < jaakkos> Steffanx: not kapsi supporter unfortunately :) why?
2017-04-24T12:10:56 < Steffanx> All finnish irc EEs are supposed to be part of that.
2017-04-24T12:13:34 < jaakkos> haha, maybe it's because I'm a fake EE :(
2017-04-24T12:14:49 < jaakkos> equipped with Art of Electronics, AliExpress and Google
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2017-04-24T12:19:11 < Steffanx> Perfect definition of a IRC EE :D
2017-04-24T12:19:17 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/lattice-semiconductor-corporation/LFE5UM5G-45F-VERSA-PROMO/220-2123-ND/6286580 what the hell
2017-04-24T12:19:20 < Steffanx> an*
2017-04-24T12:19:55 < PeterM> whatdongs
2017-04-24T12:20:11 < dongs> so cheap
2017-04-24T12:20:32 < PeterM> indeed, youd almost buy it. prog it and use it as a product
2017-04-24T12:22:05 < zyp> wtf
2017-04-24T12:23:28 < dongs> im gonnna buy ieven tho i dont need it
2017-04-24T12:24:55 < zyp> "Each license is good for one year." doesn't sound very impressive though
2017-04-24T12:26:09 < PeterM> not like your programmed shit is gonna expire tyhough
2017-04-24T12:28:59 < dongs> right
2017-04-24T12:29:07 < dongs> oh, thgat was the last one
2017-04-24T12:35:13 < dongs> lattice LFE5 seems to be realyl cheap parts as well
2017-04-24T12:35:16 < dongs> wghat teh hell
2017-04-24T12:35:23 < dongs> LFE5UM-45F-8BG381C is like $25 in singles on digidong
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2017-04-24T12:57:29 < dongs> EMBED YOUR IDEAS WITH US
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2017-04-24T13:06:26 < dongs> To guarantee freshness, the fruits and veggies that arrive at your doorstep are chilled at a perfect 41 degrees.
2017-04-24T13:06:29 < dongs> holy shit
2017-04-24T13:06:32 < dongs> not even mentioning its F
2017-04-24T13:06:41 < dongs> retarded americunts
2017-04-24T13:09:47 < Steffanx> Real engineers only use C.
2017-04-24T13:10:12 < Steffanx> But then it would be a bit warm
2017-04-24T13:15:24 < PeterM> k
2017-04-24T13:18:26 < Steffanx> Or K indeed
2017-04-24T13:19:28 < zyp> 41K is pretty cold
2017-04-24T13:20:45 < PeterM> im not sure iff it falls into the "real engineers use"
2017-04-24T13:20:55 < PeterM> it seems mroe "physicists use..."
2017-04-24T13:23:09 < Steffanx> What did you do to channel's best friend crt, PeterM ?
2017-04-24T13:23:22 < PeterM> i din do nuffin to curt
2017-04-24T13:23:32 < dongs> he's busy pumping some tunes into half-broken pioneer mp3 dj boxes
2017-04-24T13:23:42 < PeterM> i was gonna see him last weekend but time ran out
2017-04-24T13:23:53 < dongs> orly
2017-04-24T13:24:08 < PeterM> ya
2017-04-24T13:24:23 < Steffanx> I prepared a special care package, but not going ship when he is afk
2017-04-24T13:24:30 < PeterM> same
2017-04-24T13:24:59 < PeterM> my care package would be heavyu and brittle
2017-04-24T13:25:23 < Steffanx> Mine gives you diabetes :D
2017-04-24T13:26:27 < PeterM> steffanx can you gety much aussie stuff there?
2017-04-24T13:27:12 < Steffanx> Not sure what. Not sure i want vegemite
2017-04-24T13:27:53 < PeterM> like, can you get blue singlets, footy shorts, thongs, southern cross tattoos, vl commodores, fosters, winnie blues?
2017-04-24T13:28:22 < karlp> aren't winnie blues brown paper like the rest now?
2017-04-24T13:28:51 < PeterM> wait, they weren't brown paper? winnie blues are trash
2017-04-24T13:28:56 < PeterM> but uniquel;y australian
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2017-04-24T13:34:03 < karlp> well, I mean, they used to be blue.
2017-04-24T13:34:43 < PeterM> oh, they're still blue
2017-04-24T13:34:57 < PeterM> or sytleast l;ast time i lokked
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2017-04-24T13:55:26 < Steffanx> Cigarets -_-
2017-04-24T13:56:51 < karlp> PeterM: I was talking more about the packaging now being all "uniform"
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2017-04-24T14:09:51 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynhzgOJlCEc
2017-04-24T14:12:32 < Lux> has anyone played around with usb-cdc to have two comports on one device ?
2017-04-24T14:13:05 < Lux> I just set up that stuff: https://pastebin.com/1SdPHqXD
2017-04-24T14:13:07 < dongs> you need a composite device descriptor
2017-04-24T14:13:14 < Lux> but it only shows up as one device
2017-04-24T14:13:21 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/2seQEsj
2017-04-24T14:13:48 < Lux> somehow lunix only sees one tty dev
2017-04-24T14:13:49 < dongs> Lux: i see nothing about composite there
2017-04-24T14:14:05 < Lux> yeah, i had that, but didn't make a difference
2017-04-24T14:18:47 < Lux> actually it works under windows, but not on linux :/
2017-04-24T14:19:43 < Lux> with the composite device descriptors that is
2017-04-24T14:22:41 < dongs> you must have composite descriptor
2017-04-24T14:22:44 < dongs> so fix that.
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2017-04-24T14:22:49 < dongs> you probably have a off by one somewehre in it
2017-04-24T14:22:58 < dongs> zyp knows all about usb descriptors
2017-04-24T14:23:05 < dongs> in keil, i just check a box :)
2017-04-24T14:23:10 < dongs> and it works
2017-04-24T14:24:37 < Lux> is that the same as the interface association descriptor ?
2017-04-24T14:25:21 < dongs> composite descriptor has 2 cdc inside of it
2017-04-24T14:27:21 < Lux> thanks, seems like the example i got is wrong with the iad
2017-04-24T14:27:40 < Lux> now i just need to figure out how to set the composite descriptor correctly
2017-04-24T14:28:45 < englishman> no box for composite device descriptor
2017-04-24T14:28:52 < dongs> yes tehrei s
2017-04-24T14:28:59 < englishman> wat
2017-04-24T14:29:03 < englishman> for two cdc
2017-04-24T14:29:09 < dongs> you can select several devices in the usb wizard shit
2017-04-24T14:29:09 < dongs> yes
2017-04-24T14:29:17 < englishman> wizard?
2017-04-24T14:29:27 < englishman> oh keil.
2017-04-24T14:29:29 < dongs> and it automatically makes the proper composite descritor
2017-04-24T14:29:30 < englishman> not cube.
2017-04-24T14:29:30 < dongs> yeah keil
2017-04-24T14:30:03 < englishman> what's jewcero
2017-04-24T14:30:08 < dongs> juicero
2017-04-24T14:30:25 < englishman> r2com probably bought three
2017-04-24T14:30:30 < dongs> they ship your shit at 41 degrees (of unspecified system)
2017-04-24T14:30:35 < dongs> i hope its 41C
2017-04-24T14:30:40 < dongs> shit arrives nice and toasty
2017-04-24T14:30:50 < englishman> apparently the packs works great without the juicer
2017-04-24T14:30:58 < englishman> just squeeze into a glass
2017-04-24T14:31:02 < dongs> they're still overpriced tho, right?
2017-04-24T14:31:08 < dongs> compared to just buying the fucking juice
2017-04-24T14:31:12 < englishman> yea
2017-04-24T14:31:17 < englishman> or some spinach
2017-04-24T14:31:24 < englishman> and carrots
2017-04-24T14:31:30 < dongs> only if youre a frazzled dad
2017-04-24T14:31:49 < englishman> silicon valley is dead
2017-04-24T14:31:54 < englishman> this is the best they got
2017-04-24T14:32:38 < englishman> someone paid $120m for this
2017-04-24T14:33:53 < dongs> was it on dickstarter
2017-04-24T14:33:58 < dongs> or just someone shitted it out
2017-04-24T14:34:16 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1793272089/juisir-juicing-without-the-cleaning
2017-04-24T14:34:39 < dongs> ha ha
2017-04-24T14:34:43 < dongs> some singapoor cloner
2017-04-24T14:34:49 < dongs> 1st news update talks about juicero
2017-04-24T14:34:57 < englishman> S$ yet "San Francisco"
2017-04-24T14:35:35 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv3S85SOdf8
2017-04-24T14:35:48 < dongs> haha that music
2017-04-24T14:35:48 < englishman> complete with chinglish
2017-04-24T14:36:31 < dongs> i hear trhat retarded muzak in every moron 'my first youtubne video' blog
2017-04-24T14:37:00 < englishman> stick this elephant penis into your glass
2017-04-24T14:38:06 < Laurenceb_> wtf is this shit
2017-04-24T14:38:33 < Laurenceb_> looks a bazillion times too complex for normalfags
2017-04-24T14:38:54 < dongs> downloading shazam
2017-04-24T14:38:56 < Laurenceb_> music is rage inducing
2017-04-24T14:39:27 < Laurenceb_> llu @ glitches in the muzak loops
2017-04-24T14:42:36 < dongs> shazam cant even detect this garbage
2017-04-24T14:42:37 < dongs> what teh fuck
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2017-04-24T15:13:32 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTk5wOWRsZFlPU3M/view?usp=sharing 1000kg s-beam and a 400ppr rotenc
2017-04-24T15:18:53 < Steffanx> Did dead guy ship?
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2017-04-24T15:20:09 < kakimir> nothing
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2017-04-24T15:26:22 < Ecco> Hey
2017-04-24T15:27:24 < Ecco> Quick question: what's the best way to do double-precision computations on a device with a single-precision FPU?
2017-04-24T15:28:00 < jpa-> by software emulation
2017-04-24T15:28:15 < kakimir> by external FPU unit
2017-04-24T15:28:26 < englishman> offload to intel edison
2017-04-24T15:28:30 < kakimir> arduino
2017-04-24T15:28:40 < jpa-> single-precision fpu is pretty much useless when it comes to double-precision calculations
2017-04-24T15:28:48 < Ecco> jpa-: oh, ok
2017-04-24T15:29:01 < Ecco> So it's not possible to somehow "hack" the SP FPU to do DP operations?
2017-04-24T15:29:24 < jpa-> AFAIK no, and if it was i'd expect libgcc to already do it
2017-04-24T15:29:25 < Ecco> (like, for example, it's rather usefull to implement aeabi_llsl using 32bit shift operations
2017-04-24T15:30:01 < jpa-> having to convert between the two formats probably eats away most of the possible benefit
2017-04-24T15:30:37 < Ecco> ok
2017-04-24T15:30:38 < jpa-> it could make some sense to use e.g. the hardware single-precision sqrt() as the initial value, and then iterate for double-prec
2017-04-24T15:39:51 < kakimir> did investgations and got the phone number now
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2017-04-24T15:40:07 < Steffanx> *stalkinv
2017-04-24T15:40:10 < Steffanx> g
2017-04-24T15:40:25 < kakimir> and a address
2017-04-24T15:40:55 < kakimir> time to drive all evening and get my tent and sleeping bag and binoculars
2017-04-24T15:41:51 < Steffanx> You are allowed to camp semi-anywhere in finnishland right?
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2017-04-24T15:43:21 < kakimir> that is what germans get wrong when they come here
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2017-04-24T15:44:33 < kakimir> it means you can camp in forrest and stuff but not on peoples yards
2017-04-24T15:44:56 < kakimir> or production areas like fields
2017-04-24T15:45:48 < Steffanx> Aha.
2017-04-24T15:46:58 < zyp> same shit here
2017-04-24T15:47:22 < karlp> and here
2017-04-24T15:48:28 < kakimir> how is canadstan in this matter?
2017-04-24T15:51:18 < karlp> it's all from old gragæs law from your end isn't it?
2017-04-24T15:51:38 < karlp> I mean, UK has their right of way laws, but it doesn't grant camping privileges
2017-04-24T15:54:11 < Laurenceb_> UK has public footpaths
2017-04-24T15:54:32 < Laurenceb_> there is some right of way nonsense, but farmers will physically remove you in most cases :P
2017-04-24T15:55:24 < karlp> well, the right of ways are very very specific iirc.
2017-04-24T15:57:54 < kakimir> lol not ded Steffanx
2017-04-24T15:58:22 < kakimir> and responded to my txt so not scrubbin around I guess
2017-04-24T16:04:49 < Steffanx> Heh
2017-04-24T16:05:58 < kakimir> good you mentioned I wouldn't have stalked him down without that Steffanx
2017-04-24T16:06:34 < kakimir> I should have done it 2weeks ago already
2017-04-24T16:06:59 < kakimir> back to jet engine project>
2017-04-24T16:08:49 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVWxXSk9iY2NKaUE/view?usp=sharing making a remote :/
2017-04-24T16:09:47 < kakimir> leaks a bit
2017-04-24T16:10:09 < kakimir> better check if it has started to set
2017-04-24T16:10:43 < kakimir> it will be connected to a
2017-04-24T16:11:07 < kakimir> right hand sking stick with a M10 thread on top
2017-04-24T16:11:56 < Laurenceb_> what the heck
2017-04-24T16:12:07 < Laurenceb_> looks instructables tier
2017-04-24T16:13:05 < englishman> you can do anything if you dont get caught
2017-04-24T16:13:19 < englishman> who is kaks stalking and why
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2017-04-24T16:15:24 < Laurenceb_> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=860_1493003549
2017-04-24T16:17:56 < englishman> why does it have to wear a parka
2017-04-24T16:18:01 < englishman> is this rated for outdoor winter use
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2017-04-24T16:55:19 < Thorn> great movie, highly recommended http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205873/
2017-04-24T16:56:52 < karlp> it's awesome isn't it :)
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2017-04-24T17:25:40 < Laurenceb_> https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/jobs/currentvacancies/ref/ENG1085
2017-04-24T17:25:47 < Laurenceb_> solar freakin roadways
2017-04-24T17:31:46 < englishman> i saw that in theatres
2017-04-24T17:31:47 < englishman> good flick
2017-04-24T17:35:29 < sync_> Salary from £29785 - £37449 per annum
2017-04-24T17:35:31 < sync_> pls
2017-04-24T17:39:38 < englishman> pretty solid for a starving mouldy basement dweller like laurent
2017-04-24T17:39:48 < englishman> whose sole expense is estes rocket motors
2017-04-24T17:44:52 < Steffanx> Better learn to mailman
2017-04-24T17:45:23 < englishman> still a more fulfilling job than whatever r2com is doing
2017-04-24T17:46:04 < Laurenceb_> I'm sure these guys check kickstarter crap for their job ideas
2017-04-24T17:46:39 < Steffanx> Hah, better not make r2commie angry again.
2017-04-24T17:47:15 < Laurenceb_> he ignored me and called me retarded
2017-04-24T17:47:24 < Laurenceb_> pretty ironic coming from a Trump voter
2017-04-24T17:50:20 < englishman> https://cpc.njoyn.com/CGI/xweb/clientfiles/CPC/resources/img/canada-post-career-hero.jpg
2017-04-24T17:50:21 < englishman> lol
2017-04-24T17:50:22 < englishman> url
2017-04-24T17:51:30 < Laurenceb_> a fucking LEAF
2017-04-24T17:52:01 < Laurenceb_> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/150/784/39b.jpg
2017-04-24T18:04:46 < Laurenceb_> someone I know from school just became a cucknadian
2017-04-24T18:04:51 < Laurenceb_> time to meme
2017-04-24T18:05:54 < englishman> #cexit
2017-04-24T18:08:38 < kakimir> why leave uk?
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2017-04-24T18:10:32 < Laurenceb_> because brexit
2017-04-24T18:13:40 < kakimir> seriously?
2017-04-24T18:14:37 < ReadError> and uk women sound annoying
2017-04-24T18:15:23 < kakimir> recommend coding musics?
2017-04-24T18:15:51 < ReadError> di.fm
2017-04-24T18:15:53 < ReadError> idk
2017-04-24T18:16:01 < ReadError> the bootleg streams
2017-04-24T18:16:41 < kakimir> needs flash :/
2017-04-24T18:16:52 < kakimir> not sure if going to use flash
2017-04-24T18:16:54 < ReadError> huh
2017-04-24T18:16:59 < ReadError> no the BOOTLEG friend
2017-04-24T18:17:00 < kakimir> di.fm
2017-04-24T18:17:08 < ReadError> https://friezy.ru/en/di
2017-04-24T18:17:12 < ReadError> grab the .pls
2017-04-24T18:17:58 < Laurenceb_> heh di.fm
2017-04-24T18:18:04 < Laurenceb_> havent listened to that for years
2017-04-24T18:18:19 < ReadError> then you can change through all stations
2017-04-24T18:18:58 < kakimir> oh shi
2017-04-24T18:20:22 < sync_> kakimir: everybody that has an irish ancestor in .uk tries to get irish citizenship now
2017-04-24T18:21:04 < kakimir> dark times coming?
2017-04-24T18:21:24 < ReadError> kakimir: the trap station is pretty good sometimes
2017-04-24T18:21:47 < kakimir> I can desing a flag for the new goverment
2017-04-24T18:23:22 < kakimir> it has red background, white circle at center of it and a black outline teapot in the circle
2017-04-24T18:24:34 < kakimir> ReadError: goa, progressive psy etc.?
2017-04-24T18:26:26 < ReadError> yat they got that
2017-04-24T18:27:00 < kakimir> tried a few channels but goa is okay
2017-04-24T18:29:48 < ReadError> im on the Trap one now
2017-04-24T18:32:02 < kakimir> goa was too pumppy
2017-04-24T18:32:18 < kakimir> I went back to movie soundtracks
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2017-04-24T18:40:48 < ReadError> movie....soundtracks
2017-04-24T18:40:52 < ReadError> bless.ur.heart
2017-04-24T18:51:43 < Steffanx> Hans zimmer4president
2017-04-24T18:52:13 < kakimir> 14:53 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdzQZR-akSU coding musics found
2017-04-24T18:52:40 < kakimir> Hans zimmer is great but can not listen it all the time
2017-04-24T18:53:02 < kakimir> can I do macro sort?
2017-04-24T18:53:16 < kakimir> I want index list
2017-04-24T18:53:23 < kakimir> from highest value to lowest
2017-04-24T18:54:27 < kakimir> I assume not but I still ask
2017-04-24T18:58:37 < qyx> which sdr receiver is trendy now?
2017-04-24T18:59:54 < kakimir> ##rtlsdr knows
2017-04-24T19:00:23 < qyx> I mean not the rtl one
2017-04-24T19:00:36 < kakimir> they use all of them
2017-04-24T19:01:24 < kakimir> I think there are some around $100 ones that they talk about often
2017-04-24T19:01:28 < englishman> nuand has decent kit
2017-04-24T19:01:33 < englishman> and actual windows support
2017-04-24T19:02:11 < kakimir> I bought $18 rtl one
2017-04-24T19:03:03 < kakimir> txco and heat sinking and sma and 5v DC output
2017-04-24T19:03:19 < kakimir> "community edition"
2017-04-24T19:03:55 < qyx> ok, I'll internet something up or ask there
2017-04-24T19:04:01 < qyx> I would like to have gnuradio support more
2017-04-24T19:04:38 < kakimir> ask there
2017-04-24T19:13:50 < englishman> new ARROW registration form (i have to re-sign up cuz new database) only allows 25 characters in address field
2017-04-24T19:13:51 < englishman> w
2017-04-24T19:13:51 < englishman> t
2017-04-24T19:13:51 < englishman> f
2017-04-24T19:13:55 < englishman> fuck arrow
2017-04-24T19:14:35 < Steffanx> Hah.
2017-04-24T19:15:07 < englishman> Registration failed!
2017-04-24T19:15:07 < englishman> Either Account Number or Sales Representative email is required
2017-04-24T19:15:09 < englishman> fuck
2017-04-24T19:15:10 < englishman> fuck
2017-04-24T19:15:16 < Steffanx> Now?
2017-04-24T19:15:28 < englishman> Error
2017-04-24T19:15:28 < englishman> Registration cannot be completed at this time. Please contact the Service Center at 1-877-237-8621 or email feedback@arrow.com
2017-04-24T19:15:30 < englishman> fucking
2017-04-24T19:15:31 < englishman> garbage
2017-04-24T19:15:35 < Steffanx> Take a waffle.
2017-04-24T19:15:44 < qyx> y u no calm
2017-04-24T19:16:01 < Steffanx> Arrow.
2017-04-24T19:16:24 < Steffanx> He had to do business with them again.
2017-04-24T19:16:49 < sync_> why are you arrowing again?
2017-04-24T19:16:57 < sync_> can't you use actual suppliers?
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2017-04-24T19:17:30 < kakimir> I use pretty much only mouser
2017-04-24T19:17:50 < englishman> Hey Kris, just dropping a line to let you know I've never been able to register for MyArrow, tried 5-6 times (once per batch order in the last couple months I guess), it's pretty frustrating, you guys do have better pricing and availability on some stuff but all my business has gone to Digikey because I'm actually able to use their site.
2017-04-24T19:18:31 < englishman> and moving on
2017-04-24T19:18:54 < kakimir> is there any standard sort fucntions or anything?
2017-04-24T19:19:06 < kakimir> I'm too lazy to write sort
2017-04-24T19:19:08 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-04-24T19:19:45 < englishman> fuck
2017-04-24T19:19:46 < englishman> http://www.digikey.ca/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=226160324&uq=636286295513306249
2017-04-24T19:19:48 < englishman> out of stock
2017-04-24T19:19:52 < Steffanx> qsort or something kakimir ?
2017-04-24T19:19:54 < englishman> available in july
2017-04-24T19:19:55 < englishman> fuckoff
2017-04-24T19:20:09 < kakimir> yes
2017-04-24T19:20:17 < Steffanx> Hi R2COM. WHAT did you do to englishman ?
2017-04-24T19:20:29 < englishman> oops https://www.digikey.ca/products/en?keywords=BK-879-ND
2017-04-24T19:21:59 < englishman> wat
2017-04-24T19:22:09 < englishman> r2com is busy playing solitare in his cubicle
2017-04-24T19:24:31 < emeb_mac> furious facebooking
2017-04-24T19:24:43 < Steffanx> You went raging so i was confused englishman
2017-04-24T19:25:06 < Steffanx> Posted some cat pics emeb_mac ?
2017-04-24T19:26:18 < englishman> i have a warm pussy on my lap
2017-04-24T19:26:31 < englishman> r2com has an overheating dell dimension 550
2017-04-24T19:26:58 < kakimir> where is he?
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2017-04-24T19:29:56 < Steffanx> Welcome to the group therapy session.
2017-04-24T19:32:21 < kakimir> with above and beyond?
2017-04-24T19:33:51 < Rob235> :)
2017-04-24T19:35:03 < aandrew> holy fuck radwarez
2017-04-24T19:35:16 < aandrew> when I was a teenager a guy who ran ice 9 bbs and I were coming up with a super simialr game
2017-04-24T19:35:36 < aandrew> pir8 d00d and you had to upload/download teh juarez, all the names were modified from the real ones fo course
2017-04-24T19:35:53 < aandrew> you started out with messy dos 1.0 and the goal was to get the super elite novelli netwarez
2017-04-24T19:36:34 < aandrew> helix mcfadden
2017-04-24T19:36:36 < aandrew> that was the sysop
2017-04-24T19:38:26 < englishman> arrow prices are really good tho vs. racistkey
2017-04-24T19:38:49 < englishman> abgt4lyf
2017-04-24T19:40:29 < aandrew> verical is arrow's consumer wing
2017-04-24T19:40:35 < aandrew> that's probably why arrow wants biz shit
2017-04-24T19:43:41 < karlp> radwarez?
2017-04-24T19:43:59 < aandrew> https://radmars.itch.io/radnet
2017-04-24T19:45:19 < englishman> apparently arrow doesnt want any biz at all
2017-04-24T19:45:40 < englishman> when did you get back aandrew
2017-04-24T19:47:12 < englishman> literally saving $1k beaverbux by moving just 18 lines of this order to arrow
2017-04-24T19:47:47 < aandrew> englishman: last sunday
2017-04-24T19:47:56 < aandrew> englishman: I don't doubt that
2017-04-24T19:48:54 < englishman> their search is abysmal too
2017-04-24T19:49:02 < aandrew> yes arrow search is shit
2017-04-24T19:49:05 < aandrew> pure shit
2017-04-24T19:49:14 < aandrew> I'm liking octopart for finding vendors
2017-04-24T19:50:34 < englishman> yes
2017-04-24T19:50:38 < englishman> also
2017-04-24T19:50:44 < englishman> if you submit a bug, no matter how small
2017-04-24T19:50:46 < englishman> free shirt
2017-04-24T19:51:17 < englishman> and speaking of free shirts, check out this one
2017-04-24T19:51:18 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/NNrbbw8.jpg
2017-04-24T19:51:36 < aandrew> heh
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2017-04-24T20:20:36 < kakimir> pants go off
2017-04-24T20:20:58 < kakimir> coding intensifies
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2017-04-24T20:23:23 < kakimir> programming an operating system core even would have been immense task
2017-04-24T20:24:03 < kakimir> I have done 2days just a centralized repeated interrupt system
2017-04-24T20:24:14 < kakimir> or more
2017-04-24T20:26:54 < kakimir> or something like "shared resource" type of timing system
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2017-04-24T20:36:05 < kakimir> I keep callin arrays lists
2017-04-24T20:36:12 < kakimir> and sometimes arrays
2017-04-24T20:36:24 < kakimir> and mixed terminology is bad
2017-04-24T20:39:42 < kakimir> can I have global variables everywhere?
2017-04-24T20:44:55 < kakimir> I mean I have multiple source files and I need global variable from other file in main.c
2017-04-24T20:46:17 < kakimir> will see
2017-04-24T20:47:11 < sync_> you will quickly loose track if you do that
2017-04-24T20:47:49 < qyx> you may not have any.
2017-04-24T20:48:04 < kakimir> you are both so right
2017-04-24T20:48:31 < qyx> and if I am being helpful, I would recommend you doing a header file with extern declaration
2017-04-24T20:48:31 < kakimir> I have this X macro that list instances using my clocking system in main.c
2017-04-24T20:48:34 < qyx> and include it
2017-04-24T20:48:40 < kakimir> and instances are spread around
2017-04-24T20:48:55 < kakimir> extern.. I need to learn use it
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2017-04-24T20:51:09 < kakimir> header file?
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2017-04-24T20:52:44 < qyx> in a clock.c: bla bla bla Clock instance; bla bla bla
2017-04-24T20:53:10 < qyx> in a clock.h: typedef struct bla bla {} Clock; bla bla; extern Clock instance;
2017-04-24T20:53:22 < qyx> and then you include the clock.h file
2017-04-24T20:53:36 < qyx> and the global variable "instance" will be available
2017-04-24T20:54:20 < qyx> in a foo.c: #include "clock.h"; bla bla; instance.bar = 45;
2017-04-24T20:55:01 < kakimir> oh I thought extern needs to be used in file you want to use the variable
2017-04-24T20:55:20 < kakimir> not in the header included
2017-04-24T20:55:26 < kakimir> but both work?
2017-04-24T20:55:37 < qyx> of course
2017-04-24T20:56:42 < qyx> it would be briandamaged to list all used variables in every file
2017-04-24T20:56:48 < qyx> although, no globals in the first place
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2017-04-24T21:26:54 < kakimir> is there a way to produce highest value of the type without knowting the exact type only but it's unsigned
2017-04-24T21:26:57 < kakimir> ?
2017-04-24T21:27:33 < kakimir> sizeof trick is the only way?
2017-04-24T21:28:36 < qyx> 0 - 1?
2017-04-24T21:29:53 < kakimir> I just heard yesterday it's not standardized
2017-04-24T21:30:08 < qyx> or ~0
2017-04-24T21:30:17 < kakimir> o.o
2017-04-24T21:30:21 < kakimir> smart
2017-04-24T21:31:26 < kakimir> I do not want to install gimp anymore. recommends?
2017-04-24T21:35:52 < Steffanx> photoshop
2017-04-24T21:36:59 < jaakkos> kakimir: std::numeric_limits<T>::max()
2017-04-24T21:40:06 < kakimir> paint.net
2017-04-24T21:40:35 < kakimir> jaakkos: I do only C
2017-04-24T21:40:56 < zyp> kakimir, it's not standardized in the same way two's complement is not standardized
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2017-04-24T21:41:47 < zyp> there's no reason to worry about that if you only care about practical implementations :p
2017-04-24T21:42:06 < kakimir> I bet ~0 works
2017-04-24T21:42:14 < zyp> of course it does
2017-04-24T21:46:54 < kakimir> I think it's the right solution
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2017-04-24T21:54:41 < qyx> aha, so that radio basically works, but mostly on random frequencies
2017-04-24T21:54:53 < Steffanx> isn't (uint8_t)-1; pretty common? More common that ~0 ?
2017-04-24T21:54:59 < qyx> quite unfortunate feature
2017-04-24T21:56:07 < Steffanx> Is it actually random or can you have two in sync? :)
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2017-04-24T21:58:27 < kakimir> why uint8_t Steffanx ?
2017-04-24T21:58:45 < qyx> I have only one pcb populated
2017-04-24T21:59:08 < Steffanx> or whatever type, but .. nevermind :P
2017-04-24T21:59:23 < Steffanx> i failed to read properly
2017-04-24T22:08:34 < kakimir> you did fail to get the point
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2017-04-24T23:16:02 < Steffanx> i failed to read that is something else kakimir ;)
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2017-04-24T23:52:09 < kakimir> you failed to receive the point
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2017-04-24T23:59:08 < Steffanx> Are we going to repeat this forever kakimir ?
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2017-04-25T00:01:18 < kakimir> why not
2017-04-25T00:03:27 < englishman> orangepi zeroes arrived \o/
2017-04-25T00:03:38 < englishman> moar luinix
2017-04-25T00:04:25 < Steffanx> Enjoy puttying to it.
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2017-04-25T00:35:02 < zyp> englishman, what are you gonna use them for?
2017-04-25T00:45:56 < englishman> miniservers for this autismproj
2017-04-25T00:46:07 < englishman> it's handy to have wifi and i can actually buy them unlike ragepberripi
2017-04-25T00:48:27 < emeb_mac> englishman: those are cute
2017-04-25T00:48:38 < emeb_mac> nice to have the wifi & ethernet included
2017-04-25T00:50:04 < zyp> hehe
2017-04-25T00:50:17 < zyp> I bought a rpi3 some weeks ago because I wanted to try out some CEC shit
2017-04-25T00:50:37 < zyp> which it turned out my tv doesn't support, so I scrapped that approach
2017-04-25T00:50:50 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-04-25T00:51:09 < emeb_mac> I got an rpi3b a while back. did some interfacing jank with it
2017-04-25T00:51:24 < emeb_mac> got an fpga hooked up. played a bit with audio.
2017-04-25T00:51:25 < zyp> and then I plugged my 3d printer into it when I were setting up that recently
2017-04-25T00:51:49 < emeb_mac> worked?
2017-04-25T00:51:50 < zyp> dropped in a prebuilt image with octoprint, actually really happy with that
2017-04-25T00:51:52 < zyp> shit just works
2017-04-25T00:51:55 < emeb_mac> kewl
2017-04-25T00:52:30 < emeb_mac> so many cute linux SBCs out now
2017-04-25T00:52:44 < emeb_mac> don't have enough stuff to do with them to justify tho
2017-04-25T00:52:45 < zyp> which got me kinda tempted to throw a pi CM socket onto my own 3d printer board if I ever get around to designing one
2017-04-25T00:53:14 < zyp> but then again the CMs doesn't have onboard lan or wlan
2017-04-25T00:55:21 < zyp> so using a pi CM would just be more work and less flexibility
2017-04-25T00:55:55 < zyp> all for not having to plug a usb cable between the board and a standalone pi
2017-04-25T00:56:17 < emeb_mac> yeah - that problem is solved.
2017-04-25T00:56:31 < emeb_mac> unless your board can do something more amazing
2017-04-25T00:56:34 < englishman> octoprint is great
2017-04-25T00:56:47 < englishman> also using it with ragepi2
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2017-04-25T00:57:15 < englishman> emeb at $10 each there is nothing to justify
2017-04-25T00:57:32 < Ultrasauce> emeb make a eurorack module that hosts lv2 plugins
2017-04-25T00:57:49 < zyp> the thing that annoys me about rpi is that the headers got everything except usb
2017-04-25T00:57:59 < Laurenceb_> embedded lunix
2017-04-25T00:57:59 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-25T00:58:00 < Laurenceb_> whyyyy
2017-04-25T00:58:06 < englishman> orangepizero does have usb on pinheaders
2017-04-25T00:58:07 < englishman> :>
2017-04-25T00:58:12 < zyp> it does? cool
2017-04-25T00:59:01 < zyp> oh, separate header in addition to the pi-compatible one
2017-04-25T00:59:30 < Laurenceb_> https://i0.wp.com/knuckledraggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/okies-1.jpg
2017-04-25T01:00:21 < emeb_mac> englishman: where do you get them for $10 - I'm only seeing $14-up
2017-04-25T01:01:22 < zyp> englishman, hmm, I like that
2017-04-25T01:02:01 < zyp> stacked upside-down along a board edge so the lan and usb ports can protrude through an enclosure, that can actually be a pretty great option
2017-04-25T01:02:20 < zyp> won't even have to do rj45 or anything on my board then
2017-04-25T01:03:34 < Laurenceb_> what is the point of Rpi?
2017-04-25T01:03:37 < zyp> guess I'll have to pick up some to dick around with
2017-04-25T01:04:13 < zyp> Laurenceb_, not having to fit all sorts of non-realtime bullshit onto a cortex-m
2017-04-25T01:04:48 < Laurenceb_> what do you plan to use yours for?
2017-04-25T01:05:08 < zyp> all sorts of non-realtime bullshit
2017-04-25T01:05:08 < Laurenceb_> I considered using Rpi for datalogging stuff but it was just completely unsuitable
2017-04-25T01:05:11 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-04-25T01:05:19 < zyp> I mean
2017-04-25T01:05:39 < zyp> the point where embedded starts to become painful is around the point where you have to dick with tcp/ip
2017-04-25T01:05:44 < Laurenceb_> cortex was 10 times easier and also a better solution
2017-04-25T01:05:55 < Laurenceb_> I guess, but what about lwip  ?
2017-04-25T01:06:12 < zyp> have you ever actually used it?
2017-04-25T01:06:32 < Laurenceb_> no lol
2017-04-25T01:06:52 < Laurenceb_> never needed tcp/ip for datalogging, its all offline stuff for practicality and security
2017-04-25T01:06:55 < zyp> well, lwip works fine, it's just a lot more hassle to work with
2017-04-25T01:07:56 < Laurenceb_> I was thinking using using Rpi zero to make a "JDAM" style object tracking bomb kit for ISIS
2017-04-25T01:08:01 < Laurenceb_> thats a use for it :P
2017-04-25T01:08:01 < emeb_mac> I got lwip working with ethernet on one of my F4 boards
2017-04-25T01:08:08 < emeb_mac> but didn't dig too deep.
2017-04-25T01:08:41 < Laurenceb_> inb4 waterboarding
2017-04-25T01:09:10 < zyp> just consider that networking is full of async stuff
2017-04-25T01:09:11 < emeb_mac> but yeah - that opz board with the usb & ethernet on one side seems nicely arranged.
2017-04-25T01:09:31 < zyp> and async code is a lot more comfortable writing in a higher level language
2017-04-25T01:09:45 < Laurenceb_> chibios would seem a good choice for tcp/ip, but their usb code is a bit nasty
2017-04-25T01:09:56 < Laurenceb_> so maybe ethernet is even worse...
2017-04-25T01:09:57 < emeb_mac> main problem I have with linux stuff is that it's a huge PITA to do any hardware interfacing if you need to start working with kernel drivers.
2017-04-25T01:10:10 < zyp> yeah
2017-04-25T01:10:20 < emeb_mac> if you can keep it high-level, use serial or generic spi/i2c drivers then it's OK
2017-04-25T01:10:29 < zyp> which is why I like the linux + stm32 with usb in between
2017-04-25T01:10:31 < Laurenceb_> yeah that was my problem when I looked at how I could make Rpi actually do all the things I needed for vehicle dataloggers
2017-04-25T01:10:38 < emeb_mac> zyp: yep
2017-04-25T01:10:42 < Laurenceb_> needed horrible kernel mods
2017-04-25T01:11:09 < emeb_mac> zyp: I keep trying to do stuff with linux audio and that invariably ends up with me fighting their audio stack.
2017-04-25T01:11:24 < emeb_mac> or puzzling out driver details that are poorly documented
2017-04-25T01:11:40 < englishman> emeb_mac: i got them from orangepi's aliexpress page
2017-04-25T01:11:48 < zyp> anyway, bedtime
2017-04-25T01:12:01 < emeb_mac> englishman: ah cool. will look
2017-04-25T01:12:03 < jaakkos> something in Linux is poorly documented? are you kidding me?!
2017-04-25T01:12:08 < zyp> guess I'll have to look over orangepi specs tomorrow and maybe buy some stuff to fuck around with
2017-04-25T01:12:11 < Ultrasauce> perish the thought
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2017-04-25T01:14:19 < emeb_mac> englishman: ah neat - different CPUs & RAM configurations too?
2017-04-25T01:14:39 < englishman> yeah they have way too many products.
2017-04-25T01:14:43 < englishman> there's already a zero2
2017-04-25T01:15:05 < englishman> https://linux-sunxi.org/Xunlong
2017-04-25T01:15:13 < emeb_mac> with H2 or H3 CPU
2017-04-25T01:15:16 < englishman> https://dl.armbian.com/orangepizero/
2017-04-25T01:15:48 < englishman> orange pi one is h3
2017-04-25T01:15:50 < englishman> zero s h2+
2017-04-25T01:15:52 < englishman> iirc
2017-04-25T01:16:55 < englishman> https://www.timewasters-place.com/orange-pi-boards-comparison-chart/
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2017-04-25T01:24:53 < Laurenceb_> https://www.timewasters-place.com
2017-04-25T01:25:01 < Laurenceb_> accurate description of embedded lunix
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2017-04-25T02:22:16  * jadew` checks the scope... yep, looks normal: http://5.12.153.81/screen/NBLCD.png
2017-04-25T02:24:20 < jadew`> in case you're wondering, I'm probing a chocolate bar
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2017-04-25T02:28:20 < aandrew> trying to find the cadbury secret?
2017-04-25T02:31:41 < jadew`> never had that brand of chocolate
2017-04-25T02:31:46 < jadew`> I don't think we have it here
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2017-04-25T02:36:51 < jadew`> that patriot blast ssd died on me again
2017-04-25T02:37:13 < jadew`> I thought I fixed it by doing the erase, but it decided to stop working again
2017-04-25T02:37:27 < jadew`> not gonna waste any more time on it this time
2017-04-25T02:38:14 < emeb_mac> gah - patriot crap
2017-04-25T02:38:35 < jadew`> yep, they're garbage
2017-04-25T02:38:41 < jadew`> after I managed to get it back online last time
2017-04-25T02:38:46 < jadew`> I tried their firmware update tool
2017-04-25T02:38:53 < jadew`> which looks like it was made by some highschool kid
2017-04-25T02:39:00 < jadew`> and it didn't work...
2017-04-25T02:39:10 < jadew`> the firmware update failed
2017-04-25T02:39:12 < jadew`> with no other info
2017-04-25T02:39:42 < jadew`> (the firmware update which was supposed to fix the issue I'm having)
2017-04-25T02:57:28 < aandrew> cadbury? I'm sure it's in .ro
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2017-04-25T02:58:21 < aandrew> huh, in 2010 Kraft sold the romanian Cadbury to Oryxa
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2017-04-25T02:59:08 < jadew`> lol suddenly my right speaker started working and it's a completely different experience
2017-04-25T02:59:23 < jadew`> I've been using a single speaker for the past year or more
2017-04-25T02:59:46 < jadew`> didn't feel like checking why it's not working (I did notice tho)
2017-04-25T02:59:53 < jadew`> aandrew, yeah, I never heard of them
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2017-04-25T03:56:06 < dongs> DUE TO MY LACK OF BALLS
2017-04-25T03:56:06 < dongs> I'M JUST GOING TO END IT ALL
2017-04-25T03:56:06 < dongs> DON'T COME ANY CLOSER I MEAN IT
2017-04-25T04:04:29 < dongs> pal at broadscum hooked me up with a bunch of latest DisplayPort standards
2017-04-25T04:06:30 < aandrew> nice
2017-04-25T04:06:54 < dongs> they're all watrermarked with some spics name on them
2017-04-25T04:06:55 < dongs> fucking vesa
2017-04-25T04:07:04 < dongs> like, if y ou goto displayport.org
2017-04-25T04:07:08 < dongs> you'd think the fucking thing is open as RMS's anus
2017-04-25T04:22:17 < dongs> englishman: lol @ myarrow rant
2017-04-25T04:26:00 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/zcGpG8M.jpg
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2017-04-25T05:06:08 < jadew> maybe he shook an opened bottle of milk by mistake
2017-04-25T05:08:02 < jadew> Lesbian 1: So... what are you doing tonigh, after the game? Lebian 2: I think you have the wrong impression of me. I'm a lesbian, sir.
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2017-04-25T07:09:13 < upgrdman> http://www.sadanduseless.com/2015/07/english-words-on-asian-shirts/
2017-04-25T07:15:38 < Thorn> dongs detected http://bcdn.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/shirt19.jpg
2017-04-25T07:21:28 < upgrdman> my favs  http://bcdn.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/shirt4.jpg
2017-04-25T07:21:36 < upgrdman> the woman on the right has the perfect expression too
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2017-04-25T07:29:36 < upgrdman> lolumad
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2017-04-25T08:04:17 < upgrdman> it varies a lot
2017-04-25T08:04:28 < upgrdman> and is not "exactly" anything
2017-04-25T08:04:40 < upgrdman> lots of spikes, and prolly 11-16V
2017-04-25T08:04:51 < upgrdman> the spikes being >20V
2017-04-25T08:09:27 < Streaker> R2COM: never 12V
2017-04-25T08:09:55 < Streaker> Unless the battery is dead
2017-04-25T08:10:36 < Streaker> A properly charged "12v" cell puts out 14.4volts
2017-04-25T08:11:00 < Streaker> More if it has just finished charging
2017-04-25T08:14:39 < Streaker> I don't know. I suspect you will have >16v spikes all the time
2017-04-25T08:15:59 < Streaker> You don't want your clamping device to blow up because it was continuously triggered
2017-04-25T08:17:51 < ohsix> sup
2017-04-25T08:18:57 < Streaker> I did that once. Built a mains Spike suppression circuit. Threw it away because it was triggering multiple times every day.
2017-04-25T08:20:03 < Streaker> I had multiple capacitors and a pi filter.
2017-04-25T08:24:00 < Streaker> These things aren't as simple as the theory predicts. In particular, I believe the inductor in my pi filter was generating spikes whenever the water heater cut out.
2017-04-25T08:34:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, i would probably ensure your reg/psu can tolerate 20V continuous
2017-04-25T08:34:19 < upgrdman> and TVS if >20V
2017-04-25T08:34:27 < upgrdman> if you want it reliable
2017-04-25T08:34:50 < upgrdman> if you just want china quality, maybe 16V
2017-04-25T08:35:55 < upgrdman> in either case, TVS after polyfuse is prolly a good idea so you dont try to shunt ass loads of power
2017-04-25T08:37:13 < upgrdman> well what if its not a brief overload
2017-04-25T08:37:37 < upgrdman> you want your TVSs dissipating tens of watts for several seconds?
2017-04-25T08:38:47 < upgrdman> you should really think of automotive environments as hostile
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2017-04-25T08:59:52 < ohsix> extremely so
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2017-04-25T09:00:26 < ohsix> oof no idn decodage
2017-04-25T09:01:32 < ohsix> i wonder if SAE has any papers on power in cars
2017-04-25T09:01:45 < ohsix> sci-hub probably works on there
2017-04-25T09:02:08 < ohsix> This standard defines the requirements and characteristics of electrical power for spacecraft.
2017-04-25T09:02:15 < ohsix> it do
2017-04-25T09:04:14 < ohsix> nope, sci hub doesn't support it
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2017-04-25T09:05:01 < ohsix> sae  has a massivehuge pile of documentation i'd love to read
2017-04-25T09:05:09 < ohsix> almost enough to build an entire automotive industry, wink wink
2017-04-25T09:06:59 < ohsix> where can i get serial flash/eeprom at the price china gets them :[[
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2017-04-25T09:35:52 < upgrdman> ohsix, cn is prolly buying in bulk. like... by the pallet.
2017-04-25T09:38:21 < upgrdman> hmm i should post another youtube vid. its been a few months and my viewership is tapering off
2017-04-25T09:38:39 < upgrdman> guess i could get around to etching pcbs for my mic amp
2017-04-25T09:38:59 < upgrdman> then i can get the pcb fags AND audiophool fags to watch
2017-04-25T09:40:04 < ohsix> y
2017-04-25T09:42:44 < ohsix> aliexpress has mad scamz for sd cards
2017-04-25T09:43:06 < ohsix> ~all the listings use a product that is never stocked to set the lowest price and f' with the order
2017-04-25T09:43:27 < ohsix> upgrdman: do you has lots of nrf24 and arduinoz
2017-04-25T09:43:41 < ohsix> i want to dick with spring model localization but haven't got the chance yet
2017-04-25T09:44:16 < upgrdman> ohsix, i have 2 nrf24's that i've never powered on. and an uno, nano, and mega. the mega has never been powered on.
2017-04-25T09:44:41 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-25T09:45:00 < ohsix> how about inverted pendulum problem and reaction wheels
2017-04-25T09:45:08 < upgrdman> i actually discovered stm32f4 a day after i ordered the mega. by the time the mega arrived from cn, i already had my f4disco blinking led's so i never even opened the antistatic bag
2017-04-25T09:45:46 < ohsix> pro
2017-04-25T09:45:53 < upgrdman> oh that's something i want to actually do... a bldc controller (esc). and maybe do it with an fpga for max autism
2017-04-25T09:46:02 < ohsix> i ordered some more blue pills but they're like the one thing that hasn't got here yet from ali
2017-04-25T09:46:03 < ohsix> it sucks
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2017-04-25T09:46:14 < ohsix> need to order more
2017-04-25T09:46:27 < PaulFertser> Seen this detailed hw review of the now-famous innovation juice device: https://blog.bolt.io/heres-why-juicero-s-press-is-so-expensive-6add74594e50 ?
2017-04-25T09:47:40 < upgrdman> when i was a kid my mom got into the juicer fad
2017-04-25T09:48:03 < upgrdman> then her dumb ass realized that making juice at home, with fresh produce and no fillers, is super fucking expensive
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2017-04-25T09:49:17 < ohsix> heheh
2017-04-25T09:49:26 < ohsix> built like the dji iphone wannabe design
2017-04-25T09:52:23 < ohsix> someone will eventually make the macbook of x
2017-04-25T09:52:40 < kakimir> juicero mentioned
2017-04-25T09:53:01 < ohsix> writers use of the word custom has already fallen apart by the time they get to the 'custom' gearbox
2017-04-25T09:54:55 < PaulFertser> It seems to be way more healthy to eat the whole fruits than to drink juice.
2017-04-25T09:55:39 < upgrdman> ya. fills you up
2017-04-25T09:55:47 < upgrdman> and slows you down
2017-04-25T09:55:53 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woCdjbsjbPg
2017-04-25T09:56:04 < upgrdman> hard to "chug" a dozen oranges
2017-04-25T09:56:13 < ohsix> the quantity of sugar in the fruit can't be discounted either
2017-04-25T09:56:14 < ohsix> lul
2017-04-25T09:56:27 < ohsix> if you don't eat the whole thing you're just getting a ton of sugars
2017-04-25T09:56:38 < ohsix> by volume/mass/whatever
2017-04-25T09:56:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, saw it. neat. i have this desired to build a CMG but have no use for one.
2017-04-25T09:56:55 < ohsix> cmg?
2017-04-25T09:57:01 < upgrdman> control moment gyro
2017-04-25T09:57:03 < ohsix> o
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2017-04-25T09:57:09 < ohsix> hehe
2017-04-25T09:59:13 < ohsix> i have like 10lbs of gallium to play with
2017-04-25T09:59:28 < ohsix> dude that had it is just bored of it and throwing it out
2017-04-25T09:59:51 < upgrdman> thats the metal that melts in your hand right?
2017-04-25T10:00:24 < ohsix> yea
2017-04-25T10:00:47 < ohsix> oh er not gallium, bismuth
2017-04-25T10:00:52 < ohsix> fff
2017-04-25T10:01:36 < ohsix> guy just showed it to me as i was leaving today
2017-04-25T10:02:08 < ohsix> i'm gonna try using the heat gun from the soldering station to do really slow cooling and other shit
2017-04-25T10:03:50 < ohsix> ugh wired talked to jimmy wales
2017-04-25T10:03:57 < ohsix> wtf is a wikitribune
2017-04-25T10:04:09 < ohsix> i'm getting the impression that i'm ignoring all the right things by using twitter and being busy
2017-04-25T10:08:44 < upgrdman> R2COM, i sometimes wonder how people tolerate you but not bro6
2017-04-25T10:09:45 < ohsix> i'm hard
2017-04-25T10:14:03 < Steffanx> upgrdman: they dont
2017-04-25T10:14:56 < Steffanx> He doesnt or didnt end up in ##stm32 logs for a reason
2017-04-25T10:15:20 < upgrdman> Steffanx, oh ya. lol ok
2017-04-25T10:15:38 < ohsix> http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/2017-04.log
2017-04-25T10:16:16 < Steffanx> It means jpa ignores you ;)
2017-04-25T10:17:13 < ohsix> i was on ignore because i cruised in here thinking everyone already knew what was up cuz of dongs, and that was a shitheaded thing to do
2017-04-25T10:17:43 < Steffanx> Hah ohsix. Im glad you had this enlightenment thing
2017-04-25T10:18:06 < Steffanx> Awh, so sweet
2017-04-25T10:18:15 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SOP-8-W25Q128FVSIG-FLASH-capacity-of-128M-bit-speed-of-104MHz-2PCS-LOT/32784262443.html not bad
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2017-04-25T10:19:42 < ohsix> 16 bytes a second is 9.7mb/week, 16mb should be okk for junk i wanna do
2017-04-25T10:20:22 < ohsix> just want a thing i can throw on something without having to mess with fat and stuff
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2017-04-25T10:24:38 < upgrdman> ohsix, thta spi?
2017-04-25T10:25:04 < ohsix> yea
2017-04-25T10:25:20 < upgrdman> didnt know spi flash went >100MHz
2017-04-25T10:25:36 < upgrdman> other than fpgas, i dotn even know any way to do spi at >60MHz
2017-04-25T10:26:00 < ohsix> quad spi is pretty fast
2017-04-25T10:26:10 < ohsix> hm
2017-04-25T10:26:17 < ohsix> qpi is probably the thing that does 100mhz tho
2017-04-25T10:26:22 < ohsix> i haven't looked at datasheets yet
2017-04-25T10:26:45 < ohsix> nope, says spi at 104
2017-04-25T10:26:56 < upgrdman> well if it's 100mhz, is qspi sclk @ 100MHz, or @ 25MHz
2017-04-25T10:27:45 < zyp> MHz is MHz unless people are retarded about labelling
2017-04-25T10:27:53 < upgrdman> i know, but this is china
2017-04-25T10:28:04 < upgrdman> so MHz is seller-defined ;)
2017-04-25T10:28:08 < zyp> well, china is retarded about labelling
2017-04-25T10:28:10 < zyp> :)
2017-04-25T10:28:18 < ohsix> https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/W25Q128FV.pdf
2017-04-25T10:28:39 < ohsix> thing on the listing is a shot of the datasheet
2017-04-25T10:29:38 < ohsix> i think the esp8266 uses qpi, still meaning to look at how they execute code from it
2017-04-25T10:33:05 < fest> those china stm32f103-compatible mcus also execute code from serial flash, IIRC
2017-04-25T10:34:24 < ohsix> yea i read about that
2017-04-25T10:34:41 < ohsix> don't know if they accelerated stuff for direct read or just load to sram tho
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2017-04-25T10:36:37 < ReadError> ohsix: you was an efnet ircop?
2017-04-25T10:37:16 < ohsix> ya
2017-04-25T10:39:56 < ohsix> heh 2kbit eeproms are 7c/ea
2017-04-25T10:40:25 < ohsix> for all your mac address storing needs
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2017-04-25T10:42:07 < fest> ohsix: those come with legitimate MAC address pre-programmed?
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2017-04-25T10:43:24 < ohsix> nah, that's my guess as to why they're so cheap
2017-04-25T10:44:07 < fest> I was recently looking at getting __real__ MAC address- buying EEPROMs from Microchip with unique MAC address pre-programmed seemed the easiest way
2017-04-25T10:44:19 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-25T10:44:42 < zyp> IIRC there's also some PHY chips with unique mac addrs
2017-04-25T10:45:50 < fest> other options were ~$500 for a block of 4096 addresses or ~$1500 for organization id with 16M addresses
2017-04-25T10:46:30 < fest> that still sounds a lot better than the USB VID/PID assignment nonsense
2017-04-25T10:47:33 < zyp> agreed
2017-04-25T10:50:11 < PaulFertser> The place I work at refused to buy MACs in bulk because they couldn't design a process that would allow our manufacturing unit to assign them reliably. So they're buying microchip eeproms instead.
2017-04-25T10:50:33 < PaulFertser> Retards
2017-04-25T10:52:10 < zyp> idk, it sounds like a reasonable argument
2017-04-25T10:53:21 < PaulFertser> Provided our manufacturing department is never going to turn sane, yes.
2017-04-25T10:53:21 < fest> it's soothing to look at your org's name in wireshark though :)
2017-04-25T10:53:28 < zyp> if you need to manually assign IDs during manufacturing, you either need a stateful process or an ID space large enough that you can assign semi-randomly without a large risk of collisions
2017-04-25T10:55:45 < PaulFertser> Of course. And a stateful process doesn't sound like a too complex idea to implement. Especially given we already have some barcode printers and database.
2017-04-25T10:56:33 < zyp> also true
2017-04-25T10:59:11 < zyp> fest, it's not entirely the same though, given that mac addrs are unique per unit, while vid/pid combos are the same for each product type
2017-04-25T11:00:17 < zyp> but that's also why it's less fair
2017-04-25T11:00:30 < zyp> a vid/pid costs the same regardless of whether you're selling 100 units or 100k
2017-04-25T11:01:12 < ohsix> just use honhai precision like everyone else
2017-04-25T11:02:26 < fest> sure, and generate random MACs like everyone else :)
2017-04-25T11:03:04 < fest> or even better, hardcode them and then roll your eyes when two of them are in the same network :D
2017-04-25T11:03:08 < ohsix> lul angie tribeca did 'it's a trap' with actual admiral ackbar costume
2017-04-25T11:03:16 < ohsix> looks like adam savages even
2017-04-25T11:04:38 < ohsix> :\ i gotta get back onto being a responsible a-dult with this sleeping thing
2017-04-25T11:04:43 < ohsix> bbl
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2017-04-25T12:27:12 < dongs> < PaulFertser> The place I work at refused to buy MACs in bulk because they couldn't design a process that would allow our manufacturing unit to assign them reliably.
2017-04-25T12:27:16 < dongs> wat
2017-04-25T12:27:41 < dongs> why not just make some jig connected to a PC with database and flash that shit and update
2017-04-25T12:27:56 < dongs> could probably even automate it as some last step of making shit
2017-04-25T12:28:59 < PaulFertser> Nobody wanted to bother
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2017-04-25T12:52:06 < ReadError> quite the pump goin on in 2600
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2017-04-25T12:55:55 < jadew``> sup?
2017-04-25T13:01:46 < Steffanx> Sky
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2017-04-25T13:05:32 < dongs> BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called " xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers.
2017-04-25T13:05:39 < dongs> They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.
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2017-04-25T13:07:56 < ReadError> lol saw that yesterday
2017-04-25T13:07:58 < jadew``> "TempleOS guy"?
2017-04-25T13:08:11 < ReadError> dongs: look in 2600 on efnet
2017-04-25T13:08:23 < ReadError> bigmatix speed run
2017-04-25T13:16:05 < jadew``> dongs, where did you find that?
2017-04-25T13:16:14 < dongs> jadew``: irc
2017-04-25T13:19:59 < ReadError> real	17m4.712s
2017-04-25T13:24:41 < karlp> zyp: thanks for busting the links on git.jvnv ;)
2017-04-25T13:24:52 < karlp> they do look prettier now though at least :)
2017-04-25T13:28:54 < zyp> bin you mean?
2017-04-25T13:29:00 < karlp> blah, analog shipping is $66 starting point: http://www.analog.com/en/support/customer-service-resources/customer-service/view-shipping-options-rates.html#Iceland
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2017-04-25T13:29:10 < karlp> nah,you removed /cgit.cgi/ from the urls.
2017-04-25T13:29:28 < dongs> karlp: thats cuz iceland is a shithole
2017-04-25T13:29:32 < dongs> what re you buying from analog?
2017-04-25T13:29:45 < karlp> was just curious what it woudl cost for the adalm2000 thingy
2017-04-25T13:29:58 < karlp> seems pretty cheap, and certainly better than the thing I have at home
2017-04-25T13:30:05 < zyp> karlp, uh, that was never meant to be part of it
2017-04-25T13:30:10 < dongs> is that the anallol discovery thing
2017-04-25T13:30:17 < dongs> its $99 on digieky if it was in stock
2017-04-25T13:30:33 < karlp> zyp: /me just clicked on links on cgit.jvnv to get to some code, and had the tab open
2017-04-25T13:30:42 < karlp> comptuer rebooted and it's "repo doesn't exist"
2017-04-25T13:30:45  * karlp shrugs
2017-04-25T13:31:06 < dongs> rebooted?
2017-04-25T13:31:21 < karlp> non-stock on digikey, "quote required, click here"
2017-04-25T13:31:26 < karlp> rebooted/crashed
2017-04-25T13:31:28 < dongs> 24 on order @ Mouser
2017-04-25T13:31:34 < dongs> yeah but why would you reopen an old link
2017-04-25T13:31:35 < zyp> karlp, oh, the other day?
2017-04-25T13:31:35 < dongs> after crash
2017-04-25T13:31:50 < karlp> zyp: yeah, this would have been sometime in the last week I guess.
2017-04-25T13:32:00 < karlp> dongs: chromioum kept my tabs open for me
2017-04-25T13:32:22 < dongs> fuck. express.co.uk with some url i looked at for 30 seconds was usign 12% CPU time
2017-04-25T13:32:25 < dongs> to render ads
2017-04-25T13:32:28 < dongs> i was wondering why chrome was chugging
2017-04-25T13:32:33 < zyp> karlp, ah yeah, my pal were doing some https redirect stuff that messed up some urls for a while
2017-04-25T13:32:48 < karlp> for more analog awesome, they don't summarize icelands tax laws, they just link to icelandic customs.  except to a broken link.
2017-04-25T13:32:49 < zyp> some of the others got a /main.fcgi/ in it as well
2017-04-25T13:33:38 < karlp> did you see this at all? https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/f1/
2017-04-25T13:33:57 < zyp> you who?
2017-04-25T13:34:36 < zyp> there were some talk about it in another channels a few days ago
2017-04-25T13:34:37 < karlp> the collective you I guess.
2017-04-25T13:34:43 < zyp> -an
2017-04-25T13:35:05 < zyp> people were joking around about "wonder how many bitcoin miners they've got running by now"
2017-04-25T13:35:44 < Lux> iirc enough that it draws the full power of one nuclear powerplant
2017-04-25T13:36:27 < dongs> isnt that old?
2017-04-25T13:36:51 < zyp> dongs, general availability opened last week or so
2017-04-25T13:36:55 < dongs> oo
2017-04-25T13:36:59 < dongs> and its already at max capacity?
2017-04-25T13:37:04 < zyp> are they?
2017-04-25T13:37:26 < dongs>  < Lux> iirc enough that it draws the full power of one nuclear powerplant
2017-04-25T13:37:41 < zyp> sounds like bullshit
2017-04-25T13:38:21 < zyp> I don't think bitcoin miners on fpga are profitable at all anymore, aws or not
2017-04-25T13:38:30 < dongs> why would you PAY to mine buttcoin
2017-04-25T13:38:38 < dongs> that sounds like a lose situation to begin with
2017-04-25T13:38:47 < karlp> I was under the impression that even the first gen asics were only viable now if you were getting undercost electricity
2017-04-25T13:38:48 < Lux> that's the figure I got from some researcher on that field
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2017-04-25T13:38:59 < Lux> but yeah fpga is allready outdated for bitcoins
2017-04-25T13:39:00 < dongs> lux, oh combined power consumption of all buttcoin users?
2017-04-25T13:39:01 < karlp> surely the aws fpga stuff is for something other than bitcoins.
2017-04-25T13:39:10 < dongs> that i could believe
2017-04-25T13:39:11 < Lux> dongs: yeah
2017-04-25T13:39:19 < zyp> karlp, that's the impression I have too
2017-04-25T13:40:13 < zyp> hey, business model
2017-04-25T13:40:27 < dongs> wow, a 27mhz-clock-needing chip (for hdmi stuff) and it has internal lc oscillator "to save cost"
2017-04-25T13:40:36 < dongs> hello jitter
2017-04-25T13:40:55 < Lux> actually they are researching to do cryptocurrencies on intel cpus with signed code to reduce the wasted effort
2017-04-25T13:41:17 < zyp> buy up old bitcoin asics, sell them as IoT electric heaters
2017-04-25T13:41:28 < Lux> so you run simulations/whatever and use a bit of the resources to do mining in the meanwhile
2017-04-25T13:41:36 < dongs> lol wtf
2017-04-25T13:41:47 < karlp> Lux: WHY?
2017-04-25T13:41:48 < dongs> https://www.dantecdynamics.com/q-810-vacuum-hood-shearography-system tehse guys are using my ipad adapter shit for the screen on their thing
2017-04-25T13:42:31 < Lux> because the way of calculating random hash functions till you find one that matches the criteria is a total waste of resources
2017-04-25T13:42:54 < karlp> no, I mean, trying to jsut do the same thing to make it cpuy friendly doens't sound lik you're actually going anywhere
2017-04-25T13:43:03 < karlp> I'm well aware of how useless buttcoin mining is
2017-04-25T13:43:07 < Lux> the only reason behind doing that is that the problem is "hard"
2017-04-25T13:43:33 < Lux> so if you can crypographically ensure that one cpu can only do x hashes per time it's the same thing
2017-04-25T13:43:50 < Lux> and you waste a fraction of the power
2017-04-25T13:44:17 < Lux> it definetly can have its flaws, but a move in the right direction imo
2017-04-25T13:46:10 < karlp> until someone turns it on it's head just like when gpus upset the whole game of bitcoin mining in teh first place
2017-04-25T13:49:25 < zyp> Lux, given how the economics work, I don't think there's a point to it
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2017-04-25T13:53:29 < zyp> since the reward is given at a fixed rate, the resources spent will tend to approach that rate, no matter what sort of work it's actually spent on
2017-04-25T13:55:37 < zyp> there's already plenty of "altcoins" with other proof of work algorithms too
2017-04-25T13:56:14 < zyp> IIRC litecoin uses scrypt, which were originally meant to let cpu take back the mining work from gpus since it's more memory intensive
2017-04-25T13:56:30 < zyp> but eventually gpus became more efficient at that too
2017-04-25T13:59:34 < dongs> most stm32s will run at 1.8V right
2017-04-25T14:00:41 < karlp> tthey don't all?
2017-04-25T14:01:24 < Thorn> iirc in the f0 family there are low voltage and high voltage series
2017-04-25T14:01:45 < Thorn> low voltage means up to 2.5V or something like that
2017-04-25T14:03:13 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32f048g6.html
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2017-04-25T14:16:39 < zyp> there's some where 1.8V is under UVLO, IIRC
2017-04-25T14:20:05 < dongs> crt, stfn has been missing you
2017-04-25T14:20:21 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-M-2mOWsAAQkj3.jpg:large lol
2017-04-25T14:21:17 < dongs> https://gbatemp.net/threads/former-gbatemp-member-and-suspected-pedophile-gets-20-year-sentence.468679/ haha, typical emulation scene drama
2017-04-25T14:21:49 < dongs> "free 3ds games in my van"
2017-04-25T14:25:12 < dongs> i wouldnt know
2017-04-25T14:26:05 < PeterM> dongs how the fuck does gender studies go positive and engineerign not?
2017-04-25T14:26:13 < dongs> lol
2017-04-25T14:26:23 < dongs> you gotta study all these new LGBTQIAP+ shits
2017-04-25T14:26:26 < dongs> thats the new rage
2017-04-25T14:26:29 < dongs> who caresa bout engineering
2017-04-25T14:28:06 < Lux> maybe cause it's public florida universities ?
2017-04-25T14:28:17 < dongs> I thoguht that could have been hte reason
2017-04-25T14:28:24 < Lux> i don't realy know much, but that sounds to me like bottom of the line
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2017-04-25T14:36:09 < dongs> wtf
2017-04-25T14:36:15 < dongs> smartgrid insert is super fucked in A17
2017-04-25T14:37:35 < dongs> hm i see, they renamed some shit
2017-04-25T14:37:41 < dongs> ObjectKind needs a space in it now to work
2017-04-25T14:37:46 < dongs> to autodetect
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2017-04-25T14:43:03 < dongs> "reserved, pull down ~60k"
2017-04-25T14:43:08 < dongs> fucking why
2017-04-25T14:47:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tj6EFeu.png OMG WHY
2017-04-25T14:48:00 < dongs> if im gonna put THAT many parts on a board I'll just use a fucking reset supervisor thing
2017-04-25T14:48:12 < dongs> surely some china clone will be cheaper than 10 passive parts
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2017-04-25T14:56:02 < sync_> what if you have those parts already loaded in your pnp dongs?
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2017-04-25T15:03:45 < dongs> sync, i donno, thats still an awful waste of space
2017-04-25T15:04:05 < dongs> besides i think my standard dual dc/dc already has a power good output
2017-04-25T15:04:20 < englishman> PaulFertser: ROFL
2017-04-25T15:04:34 < englishman> cc3200 *and* f407
2017-04-25T15:04:55 < englishman> to squeeze a bag.
2017-04-25T15:05:48 < englishman> morning lad
2017-04-25T15:09:02 < englishman> can you understand em?
2017-04-25T15:09:17 < englishman> do they understand you?
2017-04-25T15:13:51 < Steffanx> Cc3200 i hope that is better and has better support than cc3000?
2017-04-25T15:14:09 < sync_> it has a higher number
2017-04-25T15:14:10 < Steffanx> that one*
2017-04-25T15:15:01 < dongs> 330V DC what
2017-04-25T15:15:02 < Steffanx> cc3000 was a f-ing disaster
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2017-04-25T15:26:01 < dongs> 330VDC * 15A, i think they missed a comma there
2017-04-25T15:26:08 < dongs> 33V @ 15A
2017-04-25T15:26:37 < englishman> thats what id expect from an electric drill mfgr
2017-04-25T15:27:06 < dongs> 33V you mean?
2017-04-25T15:27:10 < englishman> yea
2017-04-25T15:27:12 < dongs> right
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2017-04-25T15:31:29 < dongs> medium.com blogshite is so god damn annoying
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2017-04-25T15:33:53 < englishman> “Sorry Canada, now you're in the class with backward India,” tweeted Roslyn Layton, whom Trump hired
2017-04-25T15:34:06 < englishman> on the topic of increased net neutrality policy in canada
2017-04-25T15:35:32 < englishman> he's set his sights on canada
2017-04-25T15:35:43 < englishman> hilarity ensues
2017-04-25T15:36:02 < englishman> canada's been in litigation with usa for 40 years over illegal tarriffs on lumber they imposed
2017-04-25T15:36:07 < englishman> trump just added another 20%
2017-04-25T15:36:26 < englishman> literally next day, "canada signs new lumber trade deal with china"
2017-04-25T15:36:28 < englishman> congrats usa
2017-04-25T15:36:37 < englishman> now your lumber is 20% more expensive and china's is cheaper
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2017-04-25T15:42:43 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/ab3238922b/13621.jpg
2017-04-25T15:47:34 < Steffanx> Blaxter (2017) writes "Why bother"
2017-04-25T15:51:13 < Laurenceb_> sup
2017-04-25T15:53:25 < zyp> englishman, ordered one of those orange pi zeros, seems pretty nice
2017-04-25T15:55:33 < Steffanx> First time ive seen someone use that word crt
2017-04-25T15:57:12 < Laurenceb_> where are you going in UK?
2017-04-25T15:57:18 < Laurenceb_> ur coming to take our jerbs?
2017-04-25T15:59:21 < Steffanx> Oh those orange pis are cheaper on aliexpress than i expected/remember
2017-04-25T15:59:58 < Steffanx> And he is vgoing to visif you Laurenceb
2017-04-25T16:01:04 < Steffanx> Diehard pumping in the basement.
2017-04-25T16:02:03 < Steffanx> In the UK.
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2017-04-25T16:02:48 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/ab3238922b/13568.png
2017-04-25T16:02:55 < Laurenceb_> this is what awaits you
2017-04-25T16:03:49 < Steffanx> Ok, that one is funny Laurenceb
2017-04-25T16:06:02 < Laurenceb_> yeah we have a special pipeline
2017-04-25T16:07:05 < Laurenceb_> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.4164705,-3.514781,17z/data=!3m1!1e3
2017-04-25T16:11:37 < Steffanx> You have to ask?
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2017-04-25T16:20:41 < Steffanx> Not sure.
2017-04-25T16:22:09 < Laurenceb_> wait ur coming all the way to uk to fix thrashed audiophool kit?
2017-04-25T16:22:52 < PeterM> what is the standard thread for banjo bolts on motorcycles, and what is hte standard thread for mountainbikes, i think its M10 and M6 respectively but not sure.
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2017-04-25T16:24:13 < sync_> PeterM: m10x1 is common on bikes
2017-04-25T16:24:21 < sync_> but mtbs use all kind of shit
2017-04-25T16:24:38 < PeterM> yeah
2017-04-25T16:24:55 < sync_> like those ferrule compression fitting stuff sram uses
2017-04-25T16:25:02 < PeterM> nah that shits fucked
2017-04-25T16:25:09 < sync_> nah, it works fine
2017-04-25T16:26:05 < PeterM> all of the MTB levers ive used feel shit so i want to use a motorcycle lever for my dual front calipers
2017-04-25T16:26:28 < sync_> o_0
2017-04-25T16:26:41 < PeterM> its a DH bike
2017-04-25T16:26:41 < sync_> dual front brakes on a mtb
2017-04-25T16:26:48 < sync_> yeah so?
2017-04-25T16:26:48 < PeterM> so ya
2017-04-25T16:27:05 < sync_> never had issues with the brakes overheating since I went to 203mm discs
2017-04-25T16:27:15 < sync_> maybe you should just brake less
2017-04-25T16:27:22 < PeterM> ive not had issues with oer heating, ive had issues with rotors warping htough
2017-04-25T16:27:26 < dongs> or weigh less
2017-04-25T16:27:32 < dongs> so that the brakes dont need to work as hard
2017-04-25T16:27:35 < dongs> zinggggggggggggggg
2017-04-25T16:27:51 < PeterM> >implying im a fat americunt
2017-04-25T16:27:55 < dongs> hehe
2017-04-25T16:28:38 < sync_> currently have sram x0 on my dh bike, it is seksi
2017-04-25T16:28:52 < sync_> pressure point feels very nice
2017-04-25T16:29:00 < karlp> zyp: http://nanopi.org/NanoPi-NEO_Feature.html is similar, smaller,but no wifi.  (they have an nanopi-air which has wifi but no eth)
2017-04-25T16:29:03 < PeterM> sync_ the bigger the rotor the more issues i had with warping, so im running dual 160mms and not having issues with warpign but modulation suuucks
2017-04-25T16:29:39 < sync_> well, they all warp
2017-04-25T16:29:44 < sync_> I don't care anymore
2017-04-25T16:29:52 < sync_> I just let them squeal and drag
2017-04-25T16:29:56 < dongs> why would zyp care about shitty nanopi
2017-04-25T16:30:08 < PeterM> yeah but replacing pads and rotors every weekend sucks
2017-04-25T16:30:13 < sync_> wat
2017-04-25T16:30:25 < sync_> I replace mine maybe twice a year
2017-04-25T16:30:28 < sync_> the rotor even less
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2017-04-25T16:30:32 < PeterM> thats how quickly they warp
2017-04-25T16:30:51 < PeterM> no issues at all with 160mms though
2017-04-25T16:31:11 < sync_> idk, maybe you just have to get faster
2017-04-25T16:31:25 < sync_> less braking, less warping :3
2017-04-25T16:31:28 < PeterM> i am fast, thats why no issues with over heating, only issues with warping
2017-04-25T16:32:16 < sync_> what kind of hub and fork are you even running?
2017-04-25T16:34:26 < karlp> sync_: how much are you riding that you're replacing rotors twice a year?
2017-04-25T16:34:53 < sync_> usually they get bent when I crash hard
2017-04-25T16:35:14 < sync_> when the weather doesn't suck I'm out on the trails every weekend
2017-04-25T16:36:52 < zyp> karlp, looks pretty much the same, almost same chip and connectivity
2017-04-25T16:37:35 < zyp> dongs, hey, question, have you done 0.65mm pitch bga before?
2017-04-25T16:38:09 < dongs> yes?
2017-04-25T16:38:12 < dongs> i even did 0.5mm
2017-04-25T16:38:13 < dongs> on 2L :)
2017-04-25T16:38:20 < dongs> sup?
2017-04-25T16:39:07 < zyp> just wondering how hard it would be to slap together some allwhiner shit
2017-04-25T16:39:23 < dongs> not hard because: they provide copypaste part for the SoC + DDR
2017-04-25T16:39:29 < dongs> you just tell me which model#
2017-04-25T16:39:31 < dongs> and i can get you the .pcb
2017-04-25T16:39:45 < zyp> was thinking more about cost
2017-04-25T16:39:52 < dongs> oh, standard cheap china 4L pcb
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2017-04-25T16:40:02 < dongs> this shit is designed to be *cheap*
2017-04-25T16:40:09 < zyp> I mean, I already looked at H3 pinout and it looks super easy to break out
2017-04-25T16:40:23 < dongs> H3_REF_DDR3_16X2_V1_0_20141112
2017-04-25T16:40:26 < dongs> i have this ^
2017-04-25T16:40:51 < zyp> I glanced through the docs and saw it has builtin PHY
2017-04-25T16:40:59 < zyp> ethernet, I mean
2017-04-25T16:41:08 < dongs> possible
2017-04-25T16:41:15 < dongs> anyawy, i think someone here is doing something wiht H3
2017-04-25T16:41:22 < dongs> cuz i saw those layout shits get passed around
2017-04-25T16:41:26 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/8fyovPC.png
2017-04-25T16:41:35 < dongs> you jsut copy this shit and innov8
2017-04-25T16:42:01 < dongs> 8/16mil vias
2017-04-25T16:42:12 < zyp> neat
2017-04-25T16:42:12 < dongs> 3.8mil traces
2017-04-25T16:43:00 < dongs> but yeah dont bother just get some china trash
2017-04-25T16:43:08 < dongs> unless you're actually making a lot of them for some reason
2017-04-25T16:43:38 < zyp> yeah, no, I just picked up an orange pi for some shit
2017-04-25T16:43:46 < zyp> I like the fact that it has usb on headers
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2017-04-25T16:46:16 < dongs> herderz
2017-04-25T16:46:21 < dongs> zyp, like 2x5 standard PC shits?
2017-04-25T16:46:29 < dongs> or some custom trash
2017-04-25T16:46:32 < zyp> 1x13
2017-04-25T16:46:38 < dongs> gay
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2017-04-25T16:46:46 < dongs> china cant clone worth a fuck
2017-04-25T16:46:54 < zyp> haha
2017-04-25T16:47:08 < zyp> I don't think that was the point either
2017-04-25T16:47:34 < dongs> wow 4K HEVC
2017-04-25T16:48:20 < dongs> is orangepi.oreg fucking slow?
2017-04-25T16:48:31 < dongs> did they just get linked from hackaday or somethign
2017-04-25T16:49:35 < zyp> well, just imagine I wanna make some linux+stm32 shit
2017-04-25T16:49:44 < PeterM> sync_ ancient marzocchi bomber z1 and an equally ancient hub, and before than jsut some dnm usd-8 (custom shim stack) wiht the same hub
2017-04-25T16:50:14 < PeterM> the bomber and the hub were a cl find
2017-04-25T16:50:22 < kleinjl> H3 've 8bit hevc only
2017-04-25T16:50:24 < zyp> I want to use usb as the interconnect, so if I go with a plain rpi, I end up throwing two boards in a box with a usb cable in between
2017-04-25T16:50:49 < zyp> which is ugly as fuck, esp. if I wanna expose other usb cables
2017-04-25T16:51:02 < zyp> ports*
2017-04-25T16:51:08 < zyp> because then I need an external cable looping back into the box
2017-04-25T16:51:52 < sync_> oh yeah the old bombers came with two calipermounts
2017-04-25T16:52:20 < zyp> orange pi zero has one usb and ethernet along one edge, so I can stick those up to holes in the enclosure, and then do internal wiring to the header or some shit
2017-04-25T16:52:43 < zyp> maybe even just stack the boards
2017-04-25T16:52:50 < PeterM> sync_ i got it soley for the hub, because it was hard to find dual disc hubs
2017-04-25T16:53:17 < PeterM> but i opened the shocks to see the condition and they were clean as awhistle, no scoring inside of any sort or anyhting'
2017-04-25T16:53:28 < sync_> yeah nobody makes that stuff
2017-04-25T16:54:09 < PeterM> yeah, you can get customs made, but thats pricey AF
2017-04-25T16:54:19 < dongs> heh this evalboard is pulling I2C pins to ground via 10k
2017-04-25T16:54:21 < dongs> super pro
2017-04-25T16:54:25 < dongs> and has them on testpoints
2017-04-25T16:55:50 < PeterM> anyway, i guess next weekend i'll find out what these banjo bolts are and get some adaptors made up so i can jsut use all the standard motorcycle hoses and shit ive got
2017-04-25T16:56:29 < PeterM> or i might jsut pull apart one  of the calipers, see if i can bore it and tap it
2017-04-25T16:57:34 < kakimir> jet is ready
2017-04-25T16:58:14 < sync_> just put a motorcycle disc on :D
2017-04-25T16:58:21 < sync_> dat unsprung weight
2017-04-25T16:59:12 < kakimir> machine efficient creating hot air and insanelly loud sound
2017-04-25T16:59:31 < kakimir> thrust is merely a side product
2017-04-25T16:59:35 < sync_> well it is quite inefficient at what it does
2017-04-25T16:59:37 < sync_> yeah
2017-04-25T17:00:18 < fest> zyp: I've looked at Pi CM3 for something like that (exposing part of Pi's connectors on my own terms)
2017-04-25T17:01:16 < zyp> yeah, but then you need to reproduce the entire lan and/or wlan circuitry yourself
2017-04-25T17:01:22 < PeterM> sync_ ive considered it, not with moto calipers, but scooter calipers and discs
2017-04-25T17:01:55 < zyp> the pi cm3 is also fairly huge given how little it actually does
2017-04-25T17:02:28 < fest> yeah, plus the dram connector takes a lot of space
2017-04-25T17:03:02 < englishman> yes orangepi site is slow as fuck
2017-04-25T17:03:04 < fest> on the other hand, I haven't seen anything that comes close to pi wrt to high-resolution DSI camera module
2017-04-25T17:03:10 < englishman> Laurenceb_:
2017-04-25T17:03:12 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wllc5gSc-N8
2017-04-25T17:03:18 < englishman> it's much worse than you imagined
2017-04-25T17:03:34 < sync_> idk tho PeterM, I never had issues with it so eh
2017-04-25T17:03:50 < zyp> fest, what's rpi specific about that?
2017-04-25T17:04:10 < zyp> can't you use any other shit with CSI?
2017-04-25T17:05:03 < fest> the hard part is in getting proper documentation for the sensors and tuning them for good quality output
2017-04-25T17:05:50 < fest> for pi that's already handled and you get high-res picture
2017-04-25T17:06:26 < fest> without mucking around with sensor parameters, firmware, lens calibration, agc, aec and whatnot else
2017-04-25T17:08:07 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-04-25T17:08:31 < Laurenceb_> Spacex seem to have found/stolen/got a deal for GoPro documentation
2017-04-25T17:08:39 < zyp> hmm, I wonder what happened with the camera stuff I worked on at my previous employer
2017-04-25T17:08:44 < Laurenceb_> they use gopro with custom non such firmware for all their shit
2017-04-25T17:08:49 < Laurenceb_> *non suck
2017-04-25T17:09:00 < zyp> didn't get to play around with any of the software stuff, just managed to finish some board designs before I left
2017-04-25T17:09:23 < Laurenceb_> gopro hardware is nice but the embedded lunix is epin fail
2017-04-25T17:09:33 < karlp> yar, picm3 isn't very appealing
2017-04-25T17:09:45 < karlp> certainly doesn't fit in any sane din rail case
2017-04-25T17:10:20 < zyp> karlp, that was my argument as well when I picked the edison for that other shit I did
2017-04-25T17:10:26 < englishman> it's really made for people that have put rpi3 in their commercial projects and realized that it's a dumb idea but don't have the manpower to redesign from scratch
2017-04-25T17:10:28 < zyp> (that I haven't even finished yet)
2017-04-25T17:10:43 < englishman> oh gaud edison
2017-04-25T17:10:47  * englishman just bought 120
2017-04-25T17:10:56 < karlp> the ones that don't work in canada in winter right? ;)
2017-04-25T17:10:58 < Laurenceb_> whyyy
2017-04-25T17:11:05 < englishman> or iceland in summer.
2017-04-25T17:11:07 < Laurenceb_> edison makes beaglebone look pro
2017-04-25T17:11:25 < Laurenceb_> which in turn makes Rpi look pro, which in turn makes tarduino look pro
2017-04-25T17:12:07 < zyp> what's wrong with beaglebone?
2017-04-25T17:12:23 < Laurenceb_> beaglebone: why not fuxor the PMIC so there is 50ma being drawn all the time for no reason
2017-04-25T17:12:33 < zyp> heh
2017-04-25T17:12:50 < zyp> but yeah, edison is a bit of a pain
2017-04-25T17:12:52 < karlp> heh, iceland in winter is warmer than canada in summer isn't it? ;)
2017-04-25T17:12:53 < Laurenceb_> and the on/off control, battery changing, temperature sensing and RTC is all populated but non functional
2017-04-25T17:13:16 < zyp> shitty documentation and badly maintained software
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2017-04-25T17:13:23 < Laurenceb_> I do have 1 fully functional beaglebone, it has two holes through the pcb and a ton of jump wires
2017-04-25T17:13:31 < Laurenceb_> and some nasty shell scripts
2017-04-25T17:13:33 < englishman> karlp: :)
2017-04-25T17:13:53 < Laurenceb_> just not worth the effort really
2017-04-25T17:13:55 < zyp> the thing about edison is that there's not a whole lot of alternatives if you want something in that size
2017-04-25T17:14:09 < Laurenceb_> as it needs kernel mods to work reliably
2017-04-25T17:14:41 < zyp> there's the artik 5, which doesn't have an onboard wifi antenna, but apart from that I don't have any other ideas that's not a lot bigger
2017-04-25T17:14:54 < Laurenceb_> Rpi doesnt have many features, but at least PMIC actually works
2017-04-25T17:15:26 < zyp> hmm
2017-04-25T17:16:15 < Laurenceb_> I was actually impressed by olimex stm32 "arduino"
2017-04-25T17:16:44 < Laurenceb_> assembly looked poor quality but it all seemed to work, unlike beaglebone
2017-04-25T17:18:42 < Laurenceb_> leaflabs maple clone with lipo charging, usb, µsd, power supply sequencing etc all added
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2017-04-25T17:20:24 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcTZ2TXJocGxKWnM/view?usp=sharing you might want to turn your volume down 50%
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2017-04-25T17:24:37 < Steffanx> Edison. Please dont mention that. The operating temperature ranges are a joke (imho)
2017-04-25T17:25:35 < Steffanx> Although the joke is funnier than Laurenceb
2017-04-25T17:25:56 < Laurenceb_> maybe an old android phone would make a good lunix platform
2017-04-25T17:26:07 < Laurenceb_> power management might actually work
2017-04-25T17:26:08 < englishman> why
2017-04-25T17:26:14 < englishman> you can run assdroid on orangepi too
2017-04-25T17:26:35 < Laurenceb_> yeah but if its anything like the other lunix sbc then power management sucks
2017-04-25T17:26:57 < Steffanx> Android 4.4 englishman?
2017-04-25T17:27:03 < englishman> probably
2017-04-25T17:27:23 < Steffanx> But the same applies to an old phone
2017-04-25T17:27:26 < Laurenceb_> rip the main pcb out and put in case, job done :P
2017-04-25T17:27:57 < englishman> design your stuff better so you can run lunix full power (after all, its lunix)
2017-04-25T17:28:37 < Steffanx> Better install iot windows
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2017-04-25T17:31:37 < Laurenceb_> I guess if all you want is a hot brick then any of the lunix sbc systems will work
2017-04-25T17:32:18 < Steffanx> No you dont want a hot edison
2017-04-25T17:35:26 < Laurenceb_> haha yeah
2017-04-25T17:35:40  * Laurenceb_ wonders if edison is self-bricking in real life
2017-04-25T17:36:15 < Laurenceb_> system lifetime in service equal to its thermal time constant
2017-04-25T17:47:26 < Laurenceb_>  "it worked on the lab bench for 5 minutes"
2017-04-25T17:47:53 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKd1BTVmpmVnk4T2c/view?usp=sharing I want probes to multimeter that can be placed over such pins of varying sizes
2017-04-25T17:48:25 < kakimir> and not sideways but omnidirectionally
2017-04-25T17:48:40 < kakimir> like some hook clamps
2017-04-25T17:49:38 < sync_> get the female pin
2017-04-25T17:49:41 < sync_> and solder on a cable
2017-04-25T17:50:32 < kakimir> hmm
2017-04-25T17:51:08 < kakimir> maybe not from connector type in the pic but something more inexpensives
2017-04-25T17:51:12 < kakimir> good idea
2017-04-25T17:51:21 < kakimir> if possible make it switchable
2017-04-25T17:52:05 < kakimir> connector in the pic was around 40eurs vat0
2017-04-25T17:52:11 < sync_> you just make one for every connector you run into
2017-04-25T17:52:17 < sync_> yes but the pins are like 1€
2017-04-25T17:52:25 < sync_> so you just get one or two extra
2017-04-25T17:53:00 < sync_> http://sync-hv.de/autowagens/autosport.jpg
2017-04-25T17:53:01 < kakimir> 2pin variation of the connector was more than 50eur vat0 per unit
2017-04-25T17:53:06 < kakimir> 8)
2017-04-25T17:53:45 < kakimir> hmm
2017-04-25T17:54:34 < kakimir> sweet
2017-04-25T17:54:35 < sync_> I like how deutsch had to redesign the mil connectors as an f1 gearbox has harder impacts than an aircraft or a tank
2017-04-25T17:55:22 < kakimir> how much those connectors are per pair?
2017-04-25T17:55:38 < kakimir> and what are you doing with them?
2017-04-25T17:55:42 < sync_> depends on the number of pins
2017-04-25T17:55:51 < sync_> but the small ones are I think 30€ per connector
2017-04-25T17:55:56 < sync_> and ~80ct per pin
2017-04-25T17:56:06 < kakimir> not bad :|
2017-04-25T17:56:14 < kakimir> ip rating?
2017-04-25T17:56:25 < sync_> they are watertight
2017-04-25T17:56:31 < sync_> but they are not made to be submerged
2017-04-25T17:56:54 < sync_> but the connectors are the least of your expenses
2017-04-25T17:57:03 < sync_> if you do it properly
2017-04-25T17:57:21 < kakimir> and good connector you buy and install only once
2017-04-25T17:57:52 < sync_> well, raychem dr25 and aircraft wire is expensive as hell
2017-04-25T18:00:15 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=CY4500 got one of these thigns on teh way (attn zyp)
2017-04-25T18:00:37 < englishman> your pal cyrus https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/04/man-takes-drone-out-for-a-sunset-flight-drone-gets-shot-down/
2017-04-25T18:00:41 < zyp> nice
2017-04-25T18:00:48 < zyp> looks expensive though
2017-04-25T18:00:57 < dongs> $200
2017-04-25T18:00:58 < dongs> im not paying
2017-04-25T18:01:00 < dongs> clinet is
2017-04-25T18:01:17 < zyp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/P-NUCLEO-USB001/497-16568-ND/6072729 wat
2017-04-25T18:01:26 < dongs> yeah i saw that
2017-04-25T18:01:30 < dongs> there is a CUBE pack for it
2017-04-25T18:01:34 < dongs> with CLOSED SORES lol
2017-04-25T18:01:42 < dongs> usb_pd.lib or someshie
2017-04-25T18:02:00 < dongs> this was news like a yaer ago
2017-04-25T18:02:26 < dongs> < englishman> your pal cyrus
2017-04-25T18:02:28 < dongs> lol, inspire2 is out?
2017-04-25T18:02:32 < dongs> what do all inspire 1 owners do
2017-04-25T18:02:36 < dongs> slash/wrists?
2017-04-25T18:02:36 < ReadError> dongs you missed the world record attempt at bigmatix
2017-04-25T18:02:40 < englishman> fly home
2017-04-25T18:02:42 < ReadError> WORLD RECORD
2017-04-25T18:09:07 < Steffanx> Official? Will it be in the Guinness book?
2017-04-25T18:10:28 < ReadError> yea possibly
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2017-04-25T18:28:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTQfUQI0j14 found documentary about zyp's EV
2017-04-25T18:28:49 < invzim> decoupling (e.g. stm32) with 0.1uf, does it matter if the mlcc is rated 10V or 50V?
2017-04-25T18:28:55 < dongs> invzim: no
2017-04-25T18:28:56 < dongs> not at all
2017-04-25T18:29:20 < invzim> too many part numbers, trying to make sense of it all
2017-04-25T18:30:22 < zyp> dongs, disappointed by the lack of EVs in that vid :(
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2017-04-25T18:36:04 < dongs> this is a terrible video but
2017-04-25T18:36:25 < dongs> this guy seems to know his anniemay for some reason
2017-04-25T18:36:36 < dongs> i havent seen any of the shit he mentioned
2017-04-25T18:37:04 < sync_> you are probably not close enough to the japanese dorifto scene
2017-04-25T18:37:51 < dongs> laughs
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2017-04-25T18:39:07 < sync_> http://www.yokohama-online.com/var/ezwebin_site_clean/storage/images/media/images/yeu/news/2014/q4/super-gt-newsimage-car/230903-1-eur-EN/Super-GT-newsimage-Car.jpg
2017-04-25T18:40:13 < sync_> that is the hatsune miku bemar he mentions
2017-04-25T18:40:32 < dongs> https://youtu.be/LTQfUQI0j14?t=644 ha ha
2017-04-25T18:42:41 < sync_> gotta have all the jdm swags
2017-04-25T18:43:24 < zyp> I just skipped through the vid
2017-04-25T18:43:33 < zyp> but yeah, I don't think I've seen much of that either
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2017-04-25T18:44:02 < zyp> looks like new shit from after I lost interest
2017-04-25T18:44:28 < sync_> is the doge van really a thing over there dongs?
2017-04-25T18:44:33 < dongs> never seen
2017-04-25T18:44:50 < sync_> lots of them dorifting around the touges there
2017-04-25T18:45:12 < dongs> all useless pedo shit
2017-04-25T18:45:41 < sync_> "hentai dodge van"
2017-04-25T18:45:41 < dongs> hey i see a rx400
2017-04-25T18:45:43 < sync_> lel
2017-04-25T18:45:45 < dongs> https://youtu.be/LTQfUQI0j14?t=916
2017-04-25T18:47:53 < sync_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhq7McZKRqY
2017-04-25T18:49:08 < dongs> https://youtu.be/LTQfUQI0j14?t=1058 haha
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2017-04-25T18:53:55 < dongs> here's a real question
2017-04-25T18:53:56 < sync_> > 10" tire
2017-04-25T18:54:05 < dongs> how do i make altidumb update title block with actual text
2017-04-25T18:54:14 < dongs> document->options->parameters i can edit them in but title block still empty
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2017-04-25T18:56:07 < sync_> oh
2017-04-25T18:56:17 < sync_> are studded tires legal in japan?
2017-04-25T18:56:22 < dongs> no idea
2017-04-25T18:56:25 < dongs> whats a studded tire?
2017-04-25T18:57:06 < sync_> https://www.kaltire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Nokian_Hakkapeliitta_8_tread.jpg
2017-04-25T18:57:16 < dongs> never seen
2017-04-25T18:57:46 < sync_> ah yeah, they are legal over there
2017-04-25T19:00:53 < zyp> dongs, well, you live on the opposite end of the country to need that
2017-04-25T19:01:02 < dongs> right
2017-04-25T19:01:13 < dongs> my pal went to fuckkaido couple days ago
2017-04-25T19:01:15 < dongs> shit still has snow there
2017-04-25T19:01:20 < dongs> like nope nope nope nope nope
2017-04-25T19:01:53 < zyp> oslo airport got caught by an unexpected snowfall yesterday, caused massive delays apparently
2017-04-25T19:02:17 < Laurenceb_> snowing here in uk atm
2017-04-25T19:02:21 < Laurenceb_> melting on ground tho
2017-04-25T19:02:30 < zyp> snowed here last monday, most people have changed to summer tires though
2017-04-25T19:02:34 < dongs> what about snow melting on solar freaking roadways
2017-04-25T19:02:46 < zyp> one of my pals actually changed back to winter tires
2017-04-25T19:02:59 < sync_> yeah I still have mine on
2017-04-25T19:03:07 < sync_> still gets cold as fuck in the nights
2017-04-25T19:03:58 < dongs> fuck altium site
2017-04-25T19:04:00 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/documentation/readme
2017-04-25T19:04:04 < dongs> a NEW ERA FOR DOCUMENTATION
2017-04-25T19:04:07 < dongs> click search box on left
2017-04-25T19:04:09 < zyp> I changed to summer tires a few weeks ago
2017-04-25T19:04:09 < dongs> type shit
2017-04-25T19:04:16 < dongs> returns results from everything except altidubm 17
2017-04-25T19:04:28 < dongs> i havent changed my tires at all
2017-04-25T19:04:40 < zyp> the winter tires are less efficient, which affects the battery range surprisingly much
2017-04-25T19:04:47 < dongs> hah
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2017-04-25T19:05:02 < zyp> like 10-20km difference if not more
2017-04-25T19:05:11 < sync_> yeah my car is 20kmh slower on winter tires
2017-04-25T19:05:16 < karlp> yeah, I got about 80% fuel efficient on studs as on my summer tires.
2017-04-25T19:05:24 < karlp> 20kmh "slower"
2017-04-25T19:05:29 < karlp> how are you measuring that?
2017-04-25T19:05:34 < sync_> topspeed
2017-04-25T19:05:35 < Laurenceb_> the concept of health is an oppressive social construct of the patriarchy, it implies some people are better than others
2017-04-25T19:05:38 < sync_> autobahn, bruh
2017-04-25T19:05:48 < karlp> heh, ok then :)
2017-04-25T19:06:16 < Laurenceb_> radfem thought of the day
2017-04-25T19:06:17 < zyp> I have unstudded winter tires now though
2017-04-25T19:07:06 < sync_> karlp: just because it is cold I'm not driving slower on the autobahn ;)
2017-04-25T19:07:22 < sync_> but you also really notice the softer sidewall in lateral dynamics
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2017-04-25T19:20:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ejJ0y4G.gifv retards
2017-04-25T19:20:13 < dongs> (attn PeterM )
2017-04-25T19:22:52 < englishman> https://www.аррӏе.com/
2017-04-25T19:22:58 < englishman> https://www.xn--80ak6aa92e.com/
2017-04-25T19:24:54 < dongs> ha ha
2017-04-25T19:25:27 < dongs> englishman: read teh blog post goes to xudongz.com
2017-04-25T19:25:37 < englishman> lo
2017-04-25T19:26:42 < Steffanx> My browser aint affected.
2017-04-25T19:27:16 < dongs> thats cuz youre a mac faggot LOL
2017-04-25T19:27:20 < Steffanx> Its weird anyway. Afaik those urls always were like: xn-blabla
2017-04-25T19:27:27 < Steffanx> Android atm
2017-04-25T19:27:46 < dongs> A simple way to limit the damage from bugs such as this is to always use a password manager.
2017-04-25T19:27:49 < dongs> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh whaT?
2017-04-25T19:28:12 < dongs> so storing passwords in something that third party can access is better than manually entering them?>
2017-04-25T19:28:25 < dongs> cool protip
2017-04-25T19:28:32 < dongs> i guess ill delete my password.txt
2017-04-25T19:28:36 < Steffanx> How did it even ended up in firefox and chrome? Its one of the first things you think about when doing utf-8 domains
2017-04-25T19:28:45 < dongs> and switch to something like lastpASS
2017-04-25T19:29:02 < englishman> passwordbox got bought by intel
2017-04-25T19:29:06 < englishman> (had a pal that worked there)
2017-04-25T19:29:14 < dongs> i ve never used a password manager
2017-04-25T19:29:21 < dongs> so no idea
2017-04-25T19:29:21 < englishman> so not only cloud passwords - but huge datacenter company passwords
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2017-04-25T19:57:57 < Laurenceb_> you need the hackaday password system
2017-04-25T20:09:27 < karlp> any ideas why gcc thinks sum_in/sum_out might be uninitialized? https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/r0rbUVhlFqlNRcTb1UhOcV5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
2017-04-25T20:10:29 < jaakkos> karlp: the for loop masks sum_in and sum_out by creating its own variables
2017-04-25T20:10:39 < karlp> in what world?
2017-04-25T20:10:54 < jaakkos> world?
2017-04-25T20:11:08 < karlp> there's no type declaration on sum_in/sum_out.
2017-04-25T20:11:13 < branjb> it's because sum_in and sum_out are initialized inside the switch, there's no guarantee that case 2 gets hit
2017-04-25T20:11:33 < karlp> but the fmb write line happens after the for loop
2017-04-25T20:11:39 < karlp> the for loops initialization _must_ happen.
2017-04-25T20:11:45 < karlp> even if it doesn't do any loop iterations.
2017-04-25T20:11:48 < branjb> what if addr is not case 2
2017-04-25T20:11:57 < karlp> then it won't use them unused.
2017-04-25T20:12:04 < branjb> ?
2017-04-25T20:12:08 < branjb> oh
2017-04-25T20:12:09 < branjb> fuck
2017-04-25T20:12:12 < branjb> misread { }
2017-04-25T20:12:16 < karlp> let me add the next break and case if that makes it clearer.
2017-04-25T20:12:35 < jaakkos> karlp: it does not need explicit declaration, new ints will be created.
2017-04-25T20:12:51 < jaakkos> karlp: for instance, the following code compiles: int main() {for (int i=0, j=1; i<10; i++);}
2017-04-25T20:13:55 < karlp> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/9cZ6L8LTnoY9adcWhN3jnl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
2017-04-25T20:14:10 < karlp> jaakkos: ok, try actually compiling that then.
2017-04-25T20:14:30 < jaakkos> ... yes?
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2017-04-25T20:14:56 < karlp> if I comment out the int64_t sum_in/sum_out, it doesn't compile here, says they're unrecognized.
2017-04-25T20:15:07 < karlp> ah now I kno wwhat you mean
2017-04-25T20:15:10 < jaakkos> well of course, they are only declared inside the for loop.
2017-04-25T20:15:24 < karlp> if I'd declared int i earlier to, and didn't have the int i, then it wouldn't have made new variables
2017-04-25T20:15:54 < jaakkos> yes
2017-04-25T20:16:15 < jaakkos> this is called variable shadowing fwiw
2017-04-25T20:16:33 < karlp> thankyou. I don't normally have compound initializers in for loops, wass't used to having it just keep declaring vars.
2017-04-25T20:16:34 < jaakkos> also masking
2017-04-25T20:16:50 < branjb> i'm still unclear what happened
2017-04-25T20:17:00 < karlp> it made a new copy of sum_in/sum_out for the scope of the foor loop
2017-04-25T20:17:08 < karlp> because I ahd "for (int i, sum_in...)
2017-04-25T20:17:10 < jaakkos> branjb: it is allowed to declare variables with overlapping names
2017-04-25T20:17:14 < branjb> ohhhh
2017-04-25T20:17:25 < jaakkos> branjb: if the other declaration is in another scope
2017-04-25T20:17:30 < karlp> changing it to declare i earlier, and doing "for (i = 0, sum=) fixes it
2017-04-25T20:17:33 < jaakkos> that declaration will shadow the previous declaration
2017-04-25T20:17:35 < karlp> but makes it all c89 style
2017-04-25T20:17:39 < branjb> if you had 	int64_t sum_in, sum_out, 1;
2017-04-25T20:17:39 < branjb>  followed by for (i = 0, sum_in = 0, sum_out = 0;
2017-04-25T20:17:42 < branjb> would that be ok?
2017-04-25T20:17:51 < karlp> yeah, and that's what I've done and it's ok now.
2017-04-25T20:17:51 < branjb> err
2017-04-25T20:17:56 < branjb> int64_t sum_in, sum_out, i;
2017-04-25T20:18:03 < branjb> ok cool
2017-04-25T20:18:28 < karlp> if you could declare variables on the first line of a case that would be great......
2017-04-25T20:18:28 < branjb> i didn't know that the int in the for loop carried over to sum_in and sum_out, cool to know
2017-04-25T20:18:31 < jaakkos> branjb: as long as you only declare them once. karlp has declared them already once much before the for loop
2017-04-25T20:18:45 < branjb> so basically inside the for loop sum_in and sum_out were only in scope to the for loop
2017-04-25T20:18:49 < karlp> but noooooo, not without another set of {}
2017-04-25T20:18:56 < jaakkos> branjb: yes
2017-04-25T20:19:20 < englishman> ansi c is best c
2017-04-25T20:19:48 < branjb> is ansi c the one where you can't do for(int i=0 ?
2017-04-25T20:20:17 < englishman> yes
2017-04-25T20:20:21 < branjb> fuck ansi c
2017-04-25T20:20:21 < branjb> lol
2017-04-25T20:20:27 < englishman> no
2017-04-25T20:20:33 < englishman> fuck your mid-scope variable declaration!
2017-04-25T20:20:55 < branjb> clutter up the top of every function with
2017-04-25T20:21:03 < branjb> int i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p;
2017-04-25T20:21:22 < englishman> be more responsible with your transient memory???
2017-04-25T20:22:01 < branjb> why be responsible when i can be lazy?
2017-04-25T20:22:13 < englishman> student: detected
2017-04-25T20:22:28 < branjb> hey now
2017-04-25T20:22:44 < branjb> i've been pretending to be doing c since long before i went to shitschool
2017-04-25T20:23:59 < branjb> at least it's not c# where in the middle of something random you get 10 using statements for random shit
2017-04-25T20:27:25 < branjb> https://pastebin.com/ff8PyxA8
2017-04-25T20:30:24 < Steffanx> Im with branjb. Fuck those anti-millenials
2017-04-25T20:31:56 < branjb> what
2017-04-25T20:32:57 < Steffanx> englishman gets triggered when you behave like a millenial or when you can him one. ;)
2017-04-25T20:33:21 < englishman> spoken like a true millennian
2017-04-25T20:34:04 < englishman> what does that mean anyway?
2017-04-25T20:34:06 < branjb> what year is the cutoff for millenials?
2017-04-25T20:34:09 < englishman> someone born after 2000?
2017-04-25T20:34:10 < englishman> yerah
2017-04-25T20:34:12 < englishman> nobody knows
2017-04-25T20:34:13 < karlp> englishman: transient memory?! lol.
2017-04-25T20:34:14 < branjb> i've started hearing people saying 1980 is a millenial
2017-04-25T20:34:22 < branjb> wtf
2017-04-25T20:34:26 < branjb> 2000?
2017-04-25T20:34:28 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-25T20:34:36 < Steffanx> I learned it all here. Triggers, millenials, all ##stm32
2017-04-25T20:34:38 < englishman> when that's clearly genY and reaching into genX
2017-04-25T20:34:43 < branjb> my dad claims i'm a millenial
2017-04-25T20:34:46 < branjb> was born in 80's
2017-04-25T20:34:55 < englishman> your dad is dumb
2017-04-25T20:34:59 < branjb> ty
2017-04-25T20:35:02 < branjb> that's what i said
2017-04-25T20:35:05 < Steffanx> 80s is best period.
2017-04-25T20:35:06 < kakimir> ##aids32
2017-04-25T20:35:14 < branjb> yeah
2017-04-25T20:35:18 < branjb> growing up in 80s and 90s
2017-04-25T20:35:21 < branjb> last great generation
2017-04-25T20:35:21 < englishman> kaks is a true millennial, being born in 2005
2017-04-25T20:35:22 < branjb> rip
2017-04-25T20:35:33 < Steffanx> I grew up in 90s <3
2017-04-25T20:36:00 < englishman> <branjb> kids these days
2017-04-25T20:36:08 < kakimir> englishman: truve
2017-04-25T20:36:09 < branjb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials
2017-04-25T20:36:27 < branjb> wiki says "early 1980s as starting birth years and the mid-1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years."
2017-04-25T20:36:29 < englishman> wikipedia is written by millennians
2017-04-25T20:36:32 < branjb> o
2017-04-25T20:36:39 < englishman> so 30 years of people.
2017-04-25T20:37:18 < englishman> ie: a worthless word by shit media
2017-04-25T20:38:17 < Steffanx> And yet i had to learn about it herr. Screw you englishman
2017-04-25T20:39:06 < englishman> you should be proud that you don't consume such terrible media, then
2017-04-25T20:40:26 < englishman> god dammit
2017-04-25T20:40:37 < englishman> sent nonpanelized gerbers to stencil place
2017-04-25T20:40:38 < englishman> fuck.
2017-04-25T20:44:36 < kakimir> Steffanx: ordered module you recommended
2017-04-25T20:44:46 < kakimir> so then there is helps on the channel!
2017-04-25T20:44:52 < Steffanx> What? BLE?
2017-04-25T20:45:01 < kakimir> y
2017-04-25T20:45:28 < Steffanx> Ok, but was tiny your goal?
2017-04-25T20:45:59 < kakimir> no
2017-04-25T20:46:07 < kakimir> BLE4.0 more so
2017-04-25T20:46:21 < kakimir> for the power consumptions
2017-04-25T20:47:08 < Steffanx> Ok.
2017-04-25T20:47:55 < Steffanx> You also "just" use the uart service. Makes live easy-ish
2017-04-25T20:48:14 < kakimir> "just"?
2017-04-25T20:48:29 < kakimir> I need all devices to talk with 2 other devices
2017-04-25T20:48:35 < kakimir> one being computer
2017-04-25T20:48:56 < kakimir> one being pair when synched
2017-04-25T20:49:10 < kakimir> or then just sync with computer
2017-04-25T20:50:15 < Steffanx> Laurenceb: knows all about bluetooth and Qt
2017-04-25T20:50:19 < kakimir> hmm I just realized I need to press a button to activate communications so my HC06 collection would have been equally good
2017-04-25T20:51:28 < Lux> does anyone have an example on how a composite usb device is set up ?
2017-04-25T20:51:39 < Lux> like what goes into the descriptors etc
2017-04-25T20:52:48 < Steffanx> kakimir your application requires that?
2017-04-25T20:53:23 < kakimir> time needs to be synced between devices
2017-04-25T20:53:43 < Steffanx> You can do that automagically ofcourse.
2017-04-25T20:54:02 < kakimir> devices are not close to each other for 99% of time
2017-04-25T20:54:10 < kakimir> time being a day at least
2017-04-25T20:54:19 < kakimir> maybe multiple days
2017-04-25T20:54:34 < Steffanx> Yes, but you can automagically connect when the device is in range.
2017-04-25T20:54:41 < kakimir> oh
2017-04-25T20:54:55 < kakimir> how much such feature uses power?
2017-04-25T20:55:05 < Steffanx> nrf has fancy connectable beacon demos for example.
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2017-04-25T20:55:45 < Steffanx> Beacons are supposed to be pretty low power
2017-04-25T20:56:48 < Steffanx> Just download the sdk and try some samples, with their phone apps
2017-04-25T20:57:05 < Steffanx> When you received the modules.
2017-04-25T20:58:16 < Steffanx> Dont forget to upgrade the softdevice. And to unlock or erase the module. Its locked.
2017-04-25T20:59:18 < kakimir> module being some preinstalled software?
2017-04-25T21:03:14 < Steffanx> It comes with something yes. Not sure what
2017-04-25T21:08:09 < kakimir> don't tell me now. tell in 3months I have first connected it to anything
2017-04-25T21:08:52 < kakimir> time for a dose of medical beer
2017-04-25T21:09:23 < Steffanx> And waffle
2017-04-25T21:09:52 < kakimir> bad news
2017-04-25T21:10:38 < kakimir> I ate them all
2017-04-25T21:11:34 < Steffanx> Heh
2017-04-25T21:13:20 < kakimir> I came to eat waffles and kick ass
2017-04-25T21:13:32 < kakimir> and I'm all out of waffles
2017-04-25T21:14:53 < Laurenceb_> http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-minister-says-is-apologized-to-israel-for-november-clash/
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2017-04-25T21:22:31 < kakimir> have you guise made dynamic core clocking on mcu?
2017-04-25T21:22:52 < kakimir> instead of sleeping
2017-04-25T21:23:38 < kakimir> have system that keeps count of load levels and response times required for stuffs
2017-04-25T21:24:23 < kakimir> I don't know why such thing would be used
2017-04-25T21:26:43 < aandrew> I've never used that
2017-04-25T21:26:50 < aandrew> used lots of sleep modes but not dynamic clocking
2017-04-25T21:32:16 < kakimir> you need also adjustable loads / scheduling for such
2017-04-25T21:32:48 < kakimir> complexity goes to ^2
2017-04-25T21:32:51 < Steffanx> Is it really benifitial anyway? Doing things as fast as possible to sleep as long as possible tends to be more efficient
2017-04-25T21:33:26 < kakimir> yes
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2017-04-25T21:33:48 < kakimir> why to sleep when you can code a month longer and create code that consumes 25% more power
2017-04-25T21:34:19 < Steffanx> :S
2017-04-25T21:34:25 < kakimir> *why to WFI*
2017-04-25T21:34:34 < kakimir> I meant
2017-04-25T21:34:35 < Steffanx> Better wfe
2017-04-25T21:34:46 < kakimir> I don't know the difference
2017-04-25T21:36:36 < Steffanx> Event vs interrupt
2017-04-25T21:39:46 < kakimir> I don't have too clear idea of events
2017-04-25T21:39:56 < kakimir> maybe some signal lines inside core
2017-04-25T21:42:58 < Steffanx> I should read the definitive guide to cm3 .. im sure it has somwthing in it about this
2017-04-25T21:44:39 < kakimir> I have but I have yet to learn it
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2017-04-25T21:45:58 < Steffanx> yes so read it too kakimir
2017-04-25T21:47:40 < kakimir> I'm codin
2017-04-25T21:48:51 < kakimir> I know enought to code a month straight without looking any pdfs
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2017-04-25T22:30:03 < kakimir> upgrdman: https://images.apina.biz/full/6576.jpg your next move
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2017-04-25T22:37:16 < ohsix> lul
2017-04-25T22:37:46 < ohsix> measured current in AA with li cell, it starts at 1.2a then drops down to .82aish within 10 seconds
2017-04-25T22:37:48 < ohsix> 3.2 watt
2017-04-25T22:38:27 < ohsix> so china marking isn't a lie, woauouh
2017-04-25T22:39:11 < ohsix> the current drop is worrying tho, something is getting hto and it probably can't do that for long
2017-04-25T22:40:01 < ohsix> 200mW on a regular aa
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2017-04-25T22:57:47 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34766361
2017-04-25T22:58:35 < Steffanx> What if you never had humor?
2017-04-25T22:59:43 < zyp> Laurenceb_, I'm sorry to hear you're getting dementia
2017-04-25T23:01:06 < Steffanx> His humour never changed as it was never there.
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2017-04-25T23:24:49 < ReadError> driving to get 2 brushless drills
2017-04-25T23:24:53 < ReadError> so future
2017-04-25T23:25:07 < kakimir> still driving
2017-04-25T23:25:28 < kakimir> where are flying cars
2017-04-25T23:25:40 < ReadError> dunno
2017-04-25T23:25:50 < kakimir> where is online shoppin
2017-04-25T23:27:05 < ReadError> http://brickseek.com/lowes-inventory-checker?sku=50149880
2017-04-25T23:27:15 < ReadError> 2x for 50$ each
2017-04-25T23:27:48 < ReadError> has hammer time
2017-04-25T23:27:50 < englishman> isnt brickseek a lego trading site
2017-04-25T23:28:09 < kakimir> you know makita is the shit
2017-04-25T23:28:57 < zyp> yeah, makita makes good shit
2017-04-25T23:28:58 < ReadError> but 50$
2017-04-25T23:29:47 < zyp> that thing shouldn't be bad either
2017-04-25T23:29:48 < ReadError> my Hitachi is falling apart after a lot of abuse
2017-04-25T23:30:12 < Laurenceb_> thats what she said
2017-04-25T23:30:20 < zyp> haha
2017-04-25T23:30:29 < zyp> Laurenceb_, well done
2017-04-25T23:31:35 < englishman> lol
2017-04-25T23:32:23 < englishman> Laurenceb_: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/04/25/wild-boars-overrun-islamic-state-position-kill-3-militants/100876844/
2017-04-25T23:32:34 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-04-25T23:32:36 < kakimir> when it comes to drills hitachi is not the shit
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2017-04-25T23:36:20 < Laurenceb_> I have a Bosch Ni-cad drill from 1995, still almost as good as new
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2017-04-25T23:37:17 < kakimir> so are the makitas that have done shit
2017-04-25T23:38:05 < zyp> I used to have some hitachi when I worked as an electrician
2017-04-25T23:38:20 < zyp> and then I got a panasonic one that were better
2017-04-25T23:38:52 < kakimir> haven't changed to litium age because all the 3 makita chassis won't just fail ever
2017-04-25T23:39:04 < sync_> makita lithium is <3
2017-04-25T23:39:08 < kakimir> yes
2017-04-25T23:39:10 < zyp> yeah
2017-04-25T23:39:10 < sync_> the only bad thing is their charge counter
2017-04-25T23:40:17 < zyp> I'm gonna buy an makita impact wrench at some point
2017-04-25T23:40:28 < zyp> one of my pals got one and it's convenient as fuck
2017-04-25T23:40:44 < zyp> I just don't have enough use for one to justify buying one for myself yet
2017-04-25T23:40:56 < sync_> doeeet
2017-04-25T23:41:07 < sync_> I just go a dtw285
2017-04-25T23:41:12 < sync_> it is nice
2017-04-25T23:41:12 < zyp> yeah, I really wished I had one when I changed to summer tires
2017-04-25T23:41:33 < zyp> that looks like the one my pal has
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2017-04-25T23:49:34 < kakimir> sync_: why it's bad?
2017-04-25T23:49:59 < sync_> because it cuts your pack off even when it is not broken yet?
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2017-04-25T23:50:52 < kakimir> you mean the overdischarge fuse inside the controller?
2017-04-25T23:50:55 < hetii> Hello :)
2017-04-25T23:50:57 < sync_> no
2017-04-25T23:51:21 < sync_> it counts the charge cycles and after say 2000 cycles it will tell the carger not to charge the pack anymore
2017-04-25T23:51:48 < kakimir> that's mad
2017-04-25T23:52:07 < sync_> it's 50/50
2017-04-25T23:52:18 < sync_> they probably do that to prevent cell fires
2017-04-25T23:52:24 < kakimir> is it a fixed number of cycles?
2017-04-25T23:52:32 < kakimir> bullshit I think
2017-04-25T23:52:35 < hetii> I need a litle help, I have STLink V2 and board with STM32F030F4p6 chip. under linux(ubuntu-mate) I compile latest source of https://github.com/texane/stlink and try for eg st-flash erase
2017-04-25T23:52:41 < hetii> but what I get is just 2017-04-25T22:52:22 WARN src/common.c: unknown chip id! 0xe0042000
2017-04-25T23:52:57 < hetii> boot0 is connected to VDD
2017-04-25T23:56:25 < hetii> ok all works now, when I replug my stm-link
--- Day changed Wed Apr 26 2017
2017-04-26T00:00:55 < hetii> but now have other issue: https://pastebin.com/ADtPh7u6
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2017-04-26T00:02:58 < Prutheus> Hey I have a big problem. I am on a custom build stm32f103c8t6 dev-board (build by myself) ... and I have code which works on an other, bought board fine, but on mine, it blinks too slow ... why? it is same code, same crystal 8mhz and same chip? here my project https://file.io/vQuyoM
2017-04-26T00:03:05 < Prutheus> could anybody help me please?
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2017-04-26T00:07:11 < zyp> Prutheus, kinda hard to tell from what you've said
2017-04-26T00:07:33 < zyp> if everything were the same, it would behave the same, so naturally it can't be
2017-04-26T00:08:05 < Laurenceb_> maybe you got mislabelled crystals
2017-04-26T00:08:18 < Laurenceb_> or your xtal didnt start and code failsafed to another source
2017-04-26T00:09:08 < zyp> yeah, that sounds the most likely
2017-04-26T00:09:28 < Laurenceb_> hmm I should add that as a feature to some of my projects
2017-04-26T00:09:34 < zyp> you wanted to run on 72 MHz from PLL, but HSE didn't start, so you're running from HSI instead
2017-04-26T00:09:53 < zyp> in that case, probably a solder problem on the crystal
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2017-04-26T00:20:27 < invzim> allright, second stm32 proto-test-thingie under review at pcbway
2017-04-26T00:20:58 < invzim> this time with vcap1 in place :)
2017-04-26T00:26:59 < hetii> ok I cannot even blink led so something tell me that I will not sleep tonight :/
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2017-04-26T00:29:39 < Thorn> use something more reliable than that st-flash thing
2017-04-26T00:29:48 < Thorn> openocd should work
2017-04-26T00:29:51 < Prutheus> hm ill check the solder connectivity now, but one question: the default configuration of clock is untouched by me, so i just define hse_value ... 8000000... and i have a MD device, so it is setting the systemclock to 72mhz right?
2017-04-26T00:33:28 < Thorn> Prutheus: what are using? SPL, Cube?
2017-04-26T00:34:02 < Prutheus> makefile, cmsis
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2017-04-26T01:11:11 < Laurenceb_> allweiner
2017-04-26T01:18:02 < ReadError> drills acquired
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2017-04-26T01:39:51 < englishman> is namecheap checkout dead?
2017-04-26T01:39:56 < englishman> getting 500 error last few hours
2017-04-26T01:43:02 < ReadError> vpn?
2017-04-26T01:46:50 < Lux> so the emdrive really is a thing now ? : http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-nasa-s-peer-reviewed-em-drive-paper-has-finally-been-published
2017-04-26T01:48:09 < Lux> heh that's allready pretty old 2016
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2017-04-26T01:50:07 < englishman> no vpn
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2017-04-26T02:49:32 < upgrdman> any DSP pro awake? it looks like an FFT tries to save time by not having to compute sine and cosine so much, but would an FFT be any faster than a dumb DFT that uses LUTs for sine and cosine? like is the number of mults/adds any less?
2017-04-26T02:53:16 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ButtCoin/status/857008130957463552
2017-04-26T02:53:33 < ohsix> will a dsp amateur do
2017-04-26T02:53:51 < ohsix> reading books during the day when you're waiting fo rlunch and stuff rulez
2017-04-26T02:54:06 < upgrdman> sure
2017-04-26T02:54:32 < ohsix> it would still be faster
2017-04-26T02:54:51 < ohsix> but, depending on how you do the lookup tables you can make it as fast as you can tolerate the error
2017-04-26T02:59:01 < ohsix> might help to break apart the complexity of getting those values from memory
2017-04-26T02:59:12 < ohsix> or memory access complexity
2017-04-26T02:59:41 < ohsix> even with a lut you usually do an interpolation step or two
2017-04-26T02:59:49 < ohsix> cuz the lut takes memory
2017-04-26T03:00:32 < ohsix> there was a cool thing i found ages ago that broke down all the multiplies and complexities for each  bin and stuff
2017-04-26T03:01:09 < ohsix> and the lut isn't going to touch all the multiplies you still have to do
2017-04-26T03:01:13 < upgrdman> ya my LUTs get big :)
2017-04-26T03:01:46 < ohsix> so, down to the number of multiplies, and dft loses
2017-04-26T03:01:57 < upgrdman> i guess i should give up on trying to understand the FFT and just use a lib and stop caring
2017-04-26T03:02:24 < ohsix> what are you trying to understand
2017-04-26T03:02:28 < Laurenceb_> Lux: emdrive is real man
2017-04-26T03:02:30 < Laurenceb_> really real
2017-04-26T03:02:31 < upgrdman> how a fft works
2017-04-26T03:02:34 < Laurenceb_>  /s
2017-04-26T03:02:34 < ohsix> like its' role in analysis?
2017-04-26T03:02:36 < ohsix> ic
2017-04-26T03:02:48 < Laurenceb_> that paper just shows you how peer review fails
2017-04-26T03:03:01 < upgrdman> a dft is easy: take your input waveform, mult by sin and mult by cos, when add
2017-04-26T03:03:15 < ohsix> well i don't know the proofs or anything either, but it's a transform that relates two different series
2017-04-26T03:03:26 < Laurenceb_> or use phasor accumulation and rotation
2017-04-26T03:03:37 < Laurenceb_> which is usually simpler and faster
2017-04-26T03:03:54 < upgrdman> huh
2017-04-26T03:04:48 < Laurenceb_> phasor rotation rotates by about 15 degrees or so
2017-04-26T03:05:04 < Laurenceb_> when you just run it over each set of bins when required
2017-04-26T03:05:17 < ohsix> set phasors to goertzel
2017-04-26T03:05:44 < ohsix> what's it called when you do that Laurenceb_
2017-04-26T03:05:54 < dongs> Laurenceb_: beep https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120
2017-04-26T03:06:07 < dongs> < upgrdman> ya my LUTs get big :)
2017-04-26T03:06:12 < ohsix> there are related smaller, more expensive for larger samples techniques when it's just tone detection and stuff
2017-04-26T03:06:12 < dongs> upgrdman: i dont think that's the DSP pro you wanna be talking wiht
2017-04-26T03:06:22 < dongs> unless you want results from stackexchange.in
2017-04-26T03:06:59 < upgrdman> i think i should just waste a few hours watching youtube vids of dft/fft/etc and hope something "clicks"
2017-04-26T03:07:15 < ohsix> look at how it's used to do multiplications of massive integers
2017-04-26T03:07:19 < dongs> how can you learn anything from watyching jewtube
2017-04-26T03:07:35 < upgrdman> dongs, yt is great for me. watching lectures is nice if the prof is decent
2017-04-26T03:07:53 < ohsix> also jeorg arndt has some stuff on fft and math foolery
2017-04-26T03:08:11 < ohsix> i bet you can guess what the domain name is, i'm dropping it at every opportunity (except this one, olol)
2017-04-26T03:09:04 < ohsix> o the other transform i was thinking of was the hartley transform
2017-04-26T03:09:21 < ohsix> http://www.jjj.de/fxt/ jeorg arndt
2017-04-26T03:09:36 < ohsix> what are you trying to do overall upgrdman
2017-04-26T03:09:43 < ohsix> 'learn what fft is' might not be a good start
2017-04-26T03:10:20 < ohsix> making a weird music instrument or something that does fft -> thing -> ifft and watching what happens could be
2017-04-26T03:10:42 < ohsix> that's what's used in teaching too, at least with the start of this stuff, what happens with the step function, with the dirac delta function
2017-04-26T03:10:50 < upgrdman> ohsix, convert time domain shit into freq domain shit. for telemetryviwer.
2017-04-26T03:11:13 < ohsix> you think it through and that's the basis of the understanding of the stuff
2017-04-26T03:11:15 < ohsix> oic
2017-04-26T03:11:23 < ohsix> well
2017-04-26T03:11:24 < upgrdman> its actually pretty fast doing DFTs with big ass LUTs but I feel like i should be less lazy and optimize
2017-04-26T03:11:29 < ohsix> you probably want to figure out windowing first
2017-04-26T03:11:43 < upgrdman> ya rect window for now
2017-04-26T03:11:50 < upgrdman> maybe support others later on
2017-04-26T03:11:52 < ohsix> basically the shit implies an infinite series so you need a way to break stuff up
2017-04-26T03:11:56 < dongs> rectal window
2017-04-26T03:12:09 < ohsix> ah so you just went and did the dft?
2017-04-26T03:12:21 < ohsix> there's actually a pretty well known java library that does fast-y fft, sec
2017-04-26T03:12:40 < ohsix> https://github.com/JorenSix/TarsosDSP i think this is it
2017-04-26T03:12:55 < ohsix> ran across it again recently due to new spectrogram app i found on google play
2017-04-26T03:13:43 < ohsix> lolul his name is joren six
2017-04-26T03:17:58 < ohsix> well i'm at the keyboard for a while, if you can think of anything really specific i can try and dig up some references
2017-04-26T03:19:57 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUMWjy5jgHK1NC52DXXrriwihVrYZKqjk this guy's pretty good upgrdman
2017-04-26T03:20:51 < Ultrasauce> more on the theory side than the dsp implementation side tho
2017-04-26T03:21:50 < upgrdman> ya im subbed to him. hes great
2017-04-26T03:21:52 < Ultrasauce> oh and now that i've read your actual first question the answer is yes
2017-04-26T03:21:55 < upgrdman> will rewatch his vids
2017-04-26T03:22:02 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-26T03:22:02 < Ultrasauce> the fft has lower computational complexity than the naive dft
2017-04-26T03:23:18 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-26T03:29:13 < dongs> sweet
2017-04-26T03:29:19 < dongs> some french asshole bid on my FPGA shit
2017-04-26T03:29:58 < dongs> seems to know wat hes doing and previously done some work on similar shit
2017-04-26T03:30:44 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/psignorile.html lol @ no reviews tho
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2017-04-26T03:31:43 < Ultrasauce> the fuck is an EURL
2017-04-26T03:31:48 < dongs> no idea
2017-04-26T03:31:51 < dongs> http://www.conex-pga.fr/realisations.html
2017-04-26T03:31:54 < dongs> this looks like his scamco
2017-04-26T03:32:00 < Ultrasauce> oh french equivalent of an LLC
2017-04-26T03:32:15 < ohsix> Ultrasauce: ya brian douglas is gr8, his book is interesting but his video output fell off when he started doing it
2017-04-26T03:32:48 < Ultrasauce> great flash banner
2017-04-26T03:32:54 < Laurenceb_> I have phasor rotation in thumb2 somewhere
2017-04-26T03:32:59 < dongs> works on my pc
2017-04-26T03:33:00 < Laurenceb_> for optical OFDM decode
2017-04-26T03:33:13 < Laurenceb_> is uber fast on cortex m3/m4
2017-04-26T03:33:24 < dongs> where'd you steal that from
2017-04-26T03:33:46 < Laurenceb_> not exactly complex, just a bunch of MAC and truncating
2017-04-26T03:34:16 < Laurenceb_> there is a thumb2 lib for fft somewhere on the nets...
2017-04-26T03:36:16 < dongs> yeah, inside cmsis
2017-04-26T03:36:19 < dongs> under DSP lib
2017-04-26T03:36:24 < dongs> the folder i always shift-del
2017-04-26T03:36:26 < Laurenceb_> lul hadnt spotted that
2017-04-26T03:36:54 < Laurenceb_> I was thinking of some commercial beerwharez
2017-04-26T03:40:39 < dongs> did you click on my link troll/b/
2017-04-26T03:40:46 < dongs> < dongs> Laurenceb_: beep https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120
2017-04-26T03:41:10 < Laurenceb_> erm yeah I've already seen that
2017-04-26T03:41:18 < dongs> supposedly it claims it works
2017-04-26T03:41:18 < Laurenceb_> or is it newer..
2017-04-26T03:41:28 < dongs> Publication Date (online): November 17, 2016
2017-04-26T03:41:30 < dongs> opld i guess
2017-04-26T03:42:42 < Laurenceb_> lulno same old shit
2017-04-26T03:42:42 < Laurenceb_> https://arc.aiaa.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/aiaa/journals/content/jpp/0/jpp.ahead-of-print/1.b36120/20161117/images/medium/figure16.gif
2017-04-26T03:42:42 < Laurenceb_> what kind of shit is this
2017-04-26T03:43:43 < Ultrasauce> an objective measurement of the power of bullshit?
2017-04-26T03:44:01 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redditmedia.com/HCxoAQtlffWibszRw6YFosgfOB5E8JnfcZWDF99_ltc.jpg
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2017-04-26T03:44:23 < Laurenceb_> erm https://i.redd.it/50f4ky36xpty.jpg
2017-04-26T03:44:55 < Laurenceb_> looks like patri-archy comics
2017-04-26T03:45:17 < dongs> negronewtons
2017-04-26T03:46:12 < Laurenceb_> http://68.media.tumblr.com/2480a3f923d7a13fedbacc1ce6f67da4/tumblr_nf3tvrd1hf1u0r0dgo1_1280.jpg
2017-04-26T03:46:20 < Laurenceb_> same style
2017-04-26T03:47:57 < Laurenceb_> origin of the sealposting meme? http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/054/024/a96.png
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2017-04-26T03:49:22 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_0iFOtmPoE found Laurenceb_ priject
2017-04-26T03:49:23 < dongs> project, too
2017-04-26T03:50:12 < Laurenceb_> repost
2017-04-26T03:50:19 < Laurenceb_> epin voiceover
2017-04-26T03:50:27 < dongs> oh its a fucking indiegogo
2017-04-26T03:50:44 < Laurenceb_> lulz funded 4 sure
2017-04-26T03:50:51 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/arlan-robotics-service-droid-1-0-sex-electric#/ haha from UK
2017-04-26T03:50:56 < dongs> def Laurenceb_ proj
2017-04-26T03:50:57 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2017-04-26T03:51:06 < Laurenceb_> gotta find these freaks irl
2017-04-26T03:51:08 < dongs> stop denying
2017-04-26T03:51:56 < Laurenceb_> arg so much javafail on indegogo
2017-04-26T03:52:22 < Laurenceb_> Merseyside, fucking Merseyside
2017-04-26T03:53:47 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abGIfeY7XRQ
2017-04-26T03:53:53 < Laurenceb_> dey have jewtube channel
2017-04-26T03:54:29 < Laurenceb_> and facebook stalking
2017-04-26T03:54:49 < Laurenceb_> Thanks to @ozzymanreviews for posting my video on his page
2017-04-26T03:54:52 < Laurenceb_> crt confirmed
2017-04-26T03:54:59 < Laurenceb_> thats why he is coming to UK
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2017-04-26T04:03:48 < dongs> https://i.redd.it/h2p2k058soty.jpg found englishman's cat
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2017-04-26T04:54:40 < jadew> ironic narrating voice in the show I'm watching: "I'm sure you can't relate to the strugles of Susan Hursh. After all, you work hard. You value your time. You'd never waste your whole night watching a science fiction TV show."
2017-04-26T04:55:11  * jadew takes a look at the clock: 5 am
2017-04-26T04:55:17 < jadew> it's like it was mocking me
2017-04-26T05:04:14 < dongs> pal bought a used ditch w/zelda for $360
2017-04-26T05:04:18 < dongs> played it for 5 mins
2017-04-26T05:04:21 < dongs> the game is for retards
2017-04-26T05:04:28 < dongs> back in the box and shippin that shit off to him
2017-04-26T05:04:57 < dongs> i think anyone who actually likes this zelda shit is a fucking faggot
2017-04-26T05:05:18 < jadew> is that the one with the 1 pixel characters that go from room to room?
2017-04-26T05:06:29 < jadew> hmm, maybe not
2017-04-26T05:06:37 < jadew> dongs, I thought you like this kind of stuff? http://orig10.deviantart.net/4856/f/2014/184/6/8/zelda__2___hyrule_warriors___render_by_xxtremorxx-d7p55tx.png
2017-04-26T05:07:51 < dongs> that looks fucking gay sorry
2017-04-26T05:08:32 < dongs> also NUC just arrived
2017-04-26T05:08:34 < dongs> so kawaiiii
2017-04-26T05:08:51 < jadew> the intel thingie?
2017-04-26T05:09:14 < dongs> yes
2017-04-26T05:09:29 < dongs> newpc for wifecop
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2017-04-26T05:46:14 < aandrew> wifecop hahahaha
2017-04-26T05:46:42 < aandrew> crt: I was excited about android but it truly is Linux on the desktop... on mobile.
2017-04-26T05:46:48 < aandrew> ios4lyfe
2017-04-26T05:47:09 < aandrew> never had it brick unless it was jail broken
2017-04-26T05:48:11 < aandrew> never in ... 7 years? had to power cycle an iPhone. it HAS crashed a half dozen times over that period but nothing like android
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2017-04-26T05:48:42 < aandrew> I wish it wasn't so retarded/restricted in some areas
2017-04-26T05:49:04 < aandrew> but nothing has truly been "fuck I can't live without feature x"
2017-04-26T05:49:32 < aandrew> yeah. whose farts can you live with
2017-04-26T05:50:29 < aandrew> yeah
2017-04-26T05:50:49 < aandrew> more "because we can" than "because we must"
2017-04-26T05:50:59 < aandrew> moar bits moar bettah
2017-04-26T05:55:47 < aandrew> gotta admit the cat vids/watt is pretty fucking high these days
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2017-04-26T06:03:51 < englishman> woot
2017-04-26T06:03:58 < englishman> no more paste problems
2017-04-26T06:04:01 < englishman> 100% yield today
2017-04-26T06:04:24 < englishman> tis
2017-04-26T06:04:27 < englishman> hello ozie
2017-04-26T06:04:55 < englishman> i got a new car http://i.imgur.com/WEkf8hO.jpg
2017-04-26T06:05:15 < englishman> its a mite better than r2coms hooptie
2017-04-26T06:05:28 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/gallery/ap6TnnV
2017-04-26T06:06:18 < englishman> i think he's looking for personal fulfillment at the bottom of a bottle of sherry
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2017-04-26T06:13:12 < dongs> CY4500 shipped
2017-04-26T06:13:23 < dongs> will R2COM install spyware on it for me before shipping y/n
2017-04-26T06:15:01 < englishman> itl never work.
2017-04-26T06:16:20 < englishman> innovation http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/topshop-clear-knee-mom-jeans/4619337
2017-04-26T06:18:31 < dongs> what teh fuck is this
2017-04-26T06:20:40 < englishman> a $15 billion 110 year old company
2017-04-26T06:21:16 < englishman> http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/prps-barracuda-straight-leg-jeans/4457245
2017-04-26T06:21:24 < englishman> free shipping
2017-04-26T06:22:39 < branjb> wtf
2017-04-26T06:22:45 < branjb> clear knee mom jeans
2017-04-26T06:22:48 < branjb> ???
2017-04-26T06:24:23 < branjb> crickey
2017-04-26T06:36:37 < branjb> was looking @ small companies in phoenix area
2017-04-26T06:36:41 < branjb> what does ##stm32 think of http://www.mjsdesigns.com/
2017-04-26T06:37:21 < branjb> MJS Designs, Inc. is a woman-owned, small business.
2017-04-26T06:37:49 < branjb> ooo here is a photo of the employees: http://www.mjsdesigns.com/img/1new/1b-new.jpg
2017-04-26T06:38:07 < dongs> knobs
2017-04-26T06:38:09 < dongs> all of them
2017-04-26T06:39:39 < englishman> clicked link
2017-04-26T06:39:41 < englishman> closed link
2017-04-26T06:39:44 < englishman> how do i html
2017-04-26T06:39:50 < Ultrasauce> another flash banner
2017-04-26T06:40:00 < dongs> yes
2017-04-26T06:40:16 < englishman> Content on this page requires a newer version of Adobe Flash Player.
2017-04-26T06:40:18 < englishman> lol
2017-04-26T06:40:27 < englishman> ignored subliminally
2017-04-26T06:44:07 < dongs> how much newer
2017-04-26T06:46:10 < englishman> have you seen the movie office space
2017-04-26T06:46:15 < englishman> branjb
2017-04-26T06:46:16 < englishman> er
2017-04-26T06:46:19 < englishman> *documentary
2017-04-26T06:47:05 < branjb> yeah
2017-04-26T06:47:31 < dongs> i hafent
2017-04-26T06:47:38 < dongs> looked quite unfunny
2017-04-26T06:47:38 < englishman> which one are you
2017-04-26T06:47:50 < branjb> trying to find an embedded job that is not nxp, intel, asm, google, amazon, or apple in phoenix is annoying
2017-04-26T06:48:01 < englishman> why
2017-04-26T06:48:25 < dongs> embedded jewb
2017-04-26T06:48:35 < englishman> and why do you exclude all the companies that might actually pay you
2017-04-26T06:48:36 < dongs> what are your skills
2017-04-26T06:48:41 < branjb> shit
2017-04-26T06:48:42 < dongs> can you diddle with retarduino
2017-04-26T06:49:01 < englishman> whats asm
2017-04-26T06:49:05 < dongs> mebbe you can get hired by o6 heavy industries
2017-04-26T06:49:08 < branjb> some semiconductor place
2017-04-26T06:49:41 < englishman> what does USPS pay their letter carriers in phoenix
2017-04-26T06:49:48 < branjb> not enough
2017-04-26T06:49:52 < englishman> bs
2017-04-26T06:49:56 < englishman> probably 65k
2017-04-26T06:50:05 < englishman> and benefits
2017-04-26T06:50:07 < branjb> 65k to drive around in 120 degree heat without ac isn't enough
2017-04-26T06:50:12 < englishman> pff
2017-04-26T06:50:21 < englishman> you act like they havent thought this out
2017-04-26T06:51:18 < englishman> you could deliver meth on the side for an additional 65k/month
2017-04-26T06:51:46 < dongs> this sounds like advice from l0de
2017-04-26T06:51:55 < dongs> to that guy who wanted a free macbook
2017-04-26T06:52:13 < englishman> that was a good convo
2017-04-26T06:53:34 < dongs> trying to get nuc to do 4K displayport over usb-c alternate mode
2017-04-26T06:53:38 < dongs> so far failing spectacularly
2017-04-26T07:03:26 < englishman> does it really do alternate mode
2017-04-26T07:04:23 < englishman> breaking news: r2com learns to tie his shoes without tying them to each other
2017-04-26T07:07:22 < dongs> englishman: it has a fucking DP logop on it
2017-04-26T07:07:29 < dongs> and its 7th gen kikelake or whatever
2017-04-26T07:07:29 < dongs> so yes
2017-04-26T07:10:04 < Ultrasauce> i dunno dongs
2017-04-26T07:10:08 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XASNM1XEQPs this does seem very 'you'
2017-04-26T07:10:56 < branjb> 10de is a pretty good gypsy
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2017-04-26T07:14:28 < ohsix> sup
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2017-04-26T07:36:13 < PeterM> (inb4 thats thailand not jay-pan) Ultrasauce i dunno i thyink dongs is more http://i.imgur.com/uKvwTq3.jpg
2017-04-26T07:37:22 < dongs> laugh
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2017-04-26T08:01:00 < ohsix> sup trying to find the chinese name for the photodetector https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Laser-Sensor-Module-non-modulator-Tube-Laser-Receiver-New-Module/32742464417.html
2017-04-26T08:01:16 < ohsix> listings with just 'photodetector' are $$$$
2017-04-26T08:01:25 < ohsix> cheaper to buy them this way and throw the low pass filter out
2017-04-26T08:01:40 < ohsix> it's not photodiode or anything either
2017-04-26T08:02:06 < ohsix> these little things have a preamp thing in them and are for visible light
2017-04-26T08:09:36 < ohsix> hurf dongs used to be the only one down for this stuff, oh well
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2017-04-26T08:10:14 < ohsix> oh, round-tripping through google translate maybe ...
2017-04-26T08:11:19 < ohsix> woah or just putting chinese into aliexpress, it does weird things
2017-04-26T08:11:52 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-Channel-Infrared-Detector-Tracked-Photoelectricity-Sensor-module-For-Arduino-Smart-Car-Robot-1pcs/32806521514.html
2017-04-26T08:13:15 < ohsix> also need to find retroreflector or some scheme to make aiming a free space laser thing over 2miles doable
2017-04-26T08:13:40 < ohsix> i think the trick is to make the beam be like 9ft across at the receiver
2017-04-26T08:16:13 < ohsix> bend is one of like, only two cities with volcano in them
2017-04-26T08:16:34 < ohsix> and i wanna put a thing up there to beep the temperature or something to a house about a mile away
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2017-04-26T08:21:12 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100Pcs-1N4148-IN4148-DO-35-4148-Switching-Diodes-Free-Shipping/32764883432.html if the lot availability is to be believed, they have 54 million diodes to sell
2017-04-26T08:21:53 < ohsix> 331kusd if they sell them at that
2017-04-26T08:29:20 < upgrdman> such efficient  https://puu.sh/vw5nS/05f3268bd7.png
2017-04-26T08:30:30 < dongs> typical python code
2017-04-26T08:33:30 < dongs> got nuc outputting 4kp60 over usbc
2017-04-26T08:33:39 < dongs> whaT "fixed" it was plugging one of my jewpad panels in
2017-04-26T08:33:42 < dongs> then switching to dell 4k... ?
2017-04-26T08:34:03 < dongs> anyway, and it can rotate it to portrait also
2017-04-26T08:34:05 < dongs> even on MST screen
2017-04-26T08:34:06 < dongs> win.
2017-04-26T08:34:52 < upgrdman> 4k60 to dell or to jewpanel?
2017-04-26T08:35:00 < dongs> R2COM: i ordered a cypress product
2017-04-26T08:35:06 < dongs> upgrdman: to dell
2017-04-26T08:35:10 < dongs> CT4500
2017-04-26T08:35:12 < dongs> er CY4500
2017-04-26T08:35:44 < upgrdman> dongs, what dell has usb-c in?
2017-04-26T08:36:01 < dongs> upgrdman: none. its usbc>dp alternate mode adapter.
2017-04-26T08:36:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul that is_even thing is from some code challenge shits
2017-04-26T08:36:09 < dongs> R2COM: usb-c PD among other things
2017-04-26T08:36:09 < upgrdman> o
2017-04-26T08:36:17 < dongs> like $15 thing.
2017-04-26T08:36:23 < dongs> i think it has a cypress chip in it, too
2017-04-26T08:36:31 < dongs> CCCG3 or someshit liek that
2017-04-26T08:36:41 < ohsix> i've been wanting to setup a code golf thing with local haxors but i dunno a good way to do it
2017-04-26T08:36:47 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya, i found it in r/programmerhumor
2017-04-26T08:37:41 < ohsix> one idea i had was that the person proposing the problem gives everyone working code and keeps some test data that works with that code, and the person that minifies it the best while still passing the private data test winz
2017-04-26T08:37:44 < dongs> R2COM: ya CC line comms
2017-04-26T08:38:03 < dongs> best part, i didn't even pay for it
2017-04-26T08:38:11 < dongs> workfags were like "here take this shit
2017-04-26T08:40:34 < ohsix> need other brains to help me find these light sensors :,
2017-04-26T08:42:47 < ohsix> also had a dumb idea when i was babysitting a dryer, magnet mounted humidity/temp sensor you can put on the inside of the door to internet-of-things that shit
2017-04-26T08:43:16 < ohsix> humidity will go down as the clothes begin to dry, and the temperature will shoot way up when the water is gone
2017-04-26T08:43:47 < ohsix> that's how rice cookers work, too :p
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2017-04-26T08:51:14 < ohsix> 光电二极管
2017-04-26T08:51:15 < ohsix> er
2017-04-26T08:51:47 < dongs> .. .lol
2017-04-26T08:51:53 < dongs> chrome 58 fucked with scaling again
2017-04-26T08:52:05 < dongs> now my high dpi cli shit is unusable
2017-04-26T08:52:13 < dongs> but no-cli launch is still giant as fuck
2017-04-26T08:52:15 < dongs> RIP
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2017-04-26T08:54:03 < ohsix> it's almost as if 5 versions ago you should have started working with them to get it fixed
2017-04-26T08:56:01 < ohsix> did you progress on the fft thing upgrdman?
2017-04-26T08:56:57 < ohsix> i wonder what would even cover analysis of the dft/fft if not for a dsp book
2017-04-26T08:57:19 < upgrdman> ohsix, i watched an MIT lecture, feel like i learned a little by osmosis, but overall... no
2017-04-26T08:57:56 < ohsix> oh wait lul i just got a book that is pretty good
2017-04-26T08:58:13 < upgrdman> ya i have a couple dsp books. i should be more disciplined and try reading them from the beginning instead of just the chapter about what i want
2017-04-26T08:58:37 < ohsix> put your eyeballs on this http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=mathematical+methods+in+electrical+engineering&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def
2017-04-26T08:58:49 < ohsix> worth owning irl just for the boss ass cover design
2017-04-26T08:59:17 < ohsix> i've only read a bit of it so far, but the intro to complex numbers is like the best most clearest thing i've ever read about it olol
2017-04-26T09:00:26 < ohsix> paper books getting wicked neglect cuz it is only slightly harder to look in them
2017-04-26T09:00:53 < ohsix> yea holy shit this book is great
2017-04-26T09:01:32 < ohsix> http://isbn.nu/9780521306614
2017-04-26T09:03:34 < ohsix> http://isbn.nu/9780132018562 this book covers the dft/fft and complex analysis as part of designing digital filters, it's also very concise but less technical than the othe rone
2017-04-26T09:03:42 < ohsix> also like 2bux cuz it's old
2017-04-26T09:05:08 < ohsix> and finally
2017-04-26T09:05:48 < ohsix> http://isbn.nu/9780131873742
2017-04-26T09:06:58 < ohsix> this thing is massive, probably best used as a reference, but it's from the perspective of analysis
2017-04-26T09:09:20 < dongs> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 bwahha
2017-04-26T09:13:10 < dongs> ya no doubt
2017-04-26T09:15:57 < dongs> heh
2017-04-26T09:15:58 < ohsix> upgrdman: those are all pretty cheap to get now, too
2017-04-26T09:16:11 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-26T09:16:19 < ohsix> any two would be great, slightly favoring the proakis one but it's massive
2017-04-26T09:16:51 < upgrdman> well i think i gave up on it for now. got more important things to worry about.
2017-04-26T09:17:18 < ohsix> the proakis one has exercises
2017-04-26T09:17:21 < ohsix> ya word
2017-04-26T09:17:24 < upgrdman> side note, in a week or two i'll see how crappy the steel solderpaste stencils from DirtyPCBs are
2017-04-26T09:17:31 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-26T09:17:51 < ohsix> do you keep notes on stuff like the dsp junk when you're outlining / trying to learn a subject
2017-04-26T09:17:52 < upgrdman> R2COM, cheap crap china pcb fab
2017-04-26T09:18:00 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya
2017-04-26T09:18:08 < ohsix> sweet
2017-04-26T09:18:20 < ohsix> i only started using a calendar and notes sometime last year
2017-04-26T09:18:37 < ohsix> rather than keep thinking about it, just put it on record, maybe, IF you ever get back to it
2017-04-26T09:18:40 < dongs> and?
2017-04-26T09:18:42 < dongs> wheres pics
2017-04-26T09:18:53 < dongs> so wat
2017-04-26T09:18:58 < dongs> delete cypress logo
2017-04-26T09:19:01 < dongs> paste pic
2017-04-26T09:19:15 < upgrdman> R2COM, this was from dirtypcbs. notice the shit silk, shit silk alignment, shit mask alignment and shit hole alignment. http://farrellf.com/temp/first2layerPcb.jpg
2017-04-26T09:19:22 < upgrdman> but for the price and speed, i cant really complain
2017-04-26T09:19:25 < Prutheus> Hey I have a big problem. I am on a custom build stm32f103c8t6 dev-board (build by myself) ... and I have code which works on an other, bought board fine, but on mine, it blinks too slow ... why? it is same code, same crystal 8mhz and same chip? here my project https://file.io/vQuyoM Is just the crystal corrupted or the clock misconfigured?
2017-04-26T09:19:34 < upgrdman> and i dont need quality pcb for this project
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2017-04-26T09:19:47 < dongs> Prutheus: stick scope on xtal_in pin, see if its oscillating or not
2017-04-26T09:20:06 < ohsix> or jus tmake sure you're using it in the clock tree
2017-04-26T09:20:25 < dongs> R2COM: http://i.imgur.com/TrfulBg.jpg saw my chinaflexpcb with assembly?
2017-04-26T09:20:30 < dongs> good fucking stuff right there
2017-04-26T09:20:35 < dongs> 0.15mm vias
2017-04-26T09:20:38 < ohsix> upgrdman: do you have any cool books?
2017-04-26T09:21:03 < ohsix> i've also been trying to figure out how to put a hacker library thing together, the one at noisebridge was amazing
2017-04-26T09:21:06 < upgrdman> ohsix, on what, dsp?
2017-04-26T09:21:22 < ohsix> anything you think is cool / worth having/reading
2017-04-26T09:21:38 < dongs> wut
2017-04-26T09:21:41 < dongs> then what the shit is it
2017-04-26T09:21:51 < upgrdman> ohsix, i like this book a lot, and the web site has all the text for free legal too   http://amzn.to/2ph8JQI
2017-04-26T09:21:52 < dongs> why would a pro company like cyupress order fucking plastic stencils
2017-04-26T09:21:53 < dongs> wtf man
2017-04-26T09:21:57 < Prutheus> link broken, here the correct one: https://filetea.me/n3wrTee6pWhSl6En0MbJNCf8A
2017-04-26T09:22:11 < dongs> Prutheus: nobody is going to look at your code. i already told you what to do
2017-04-26T09:22:18 < Prutheus> dongs: could you please still check my clock setings, i have no clue if this is correct
2017-04-26T09:22:19 < ohsix> upgrdman: oh ya i read a bit of that online
2017-04-26T09:22:29 < Prutheus> dongs: yeah, ill check that
2017-04-26T09:22:37 < dongs> Prutheus: system_stm32f103.c has correct pll shit its not hard
2017-04-26T09:22:43 < dongs> actual PLL setup is like 3 liens of code
2017-04-26T09:22:44 < upgrdman> ohsix, and its hardcover, which i like for my paper books
2017-04-26T09:22:52 < ohsix> learning shit is weird
2017-04-26T09:23:12 < ohsix> books that purport to explain something usually do it from one, less intuitive angle
2017-04-26T09:23:20 < Prutheus> dongs: i only can find definitions like SYSCLK_FREQ_72MHz
2017-04-26T09:23:27 < Prutheus> but nothing with pll what i can understand
2017-04-26T09:23:46 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://www.pearsonhighered.com/program/Proakis-Digital-Signal-Processing-4th-Edition/PGM258227.html check out the contents
2017-04-26T09:23:50 < dongs> i cannot understand how crapton stencil can be used
2017-04-26T09:23:54 < dongs> its jsut garbage
2017-04-26T09:23:56 < dongs> i bought that once
2017-04-26T09:24:02 < dongs> it went straight to the trash the moment i opened it
2017-04-26T09:24:09 < ohsix> just going by that alone can tell you what parts are related and important in the subject lul
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2017-04-26T09:24:38 < dongs> dont know/care
2017-04-26T09:24:42 < ohsix> i wish i knew how cool math was, and how worth it when i was a kid
2017-04-26T09:24:43 < dongs> metal or fuck off
2017-04-26T09:24:52 < upgrdman> R2COM, how much was your crapton stencil? my steel stencil for 50mm*50mm pcb was only like $21
2017-04-26T09:24:55 < dongs> metal stencil is like 20$ from chinagirl
2017-04-26T09:25:06 < dongs> with my custom cutouts for pro stencil stretcher frame
2017-04-26T09:25:16 < dongs> cheap fuck
2017-04-26T09:25:19 < ohsix> i've been doing multiplication drillz and stuff while i wait for lunch, memorizing stuff is ok; i didn't let myself do that for way too long, there's no deeper whole
2017-04-26T09:25:36 < ohsix> k back to finding chinese word for photodetector w/ builtin preamp
2017-04-26T09:25:40 < upgrdman> R2COM, for kaptop? shit, its prolly just a vinyl cutter theyre using. $9.50 profit margin, nice.
2017-04-26T09:26:05 < ohsix> upgrdman: mikeselectricstuff recently posted a video about a stencil made with a vinyl cutter, it's not so good, but it does work
2017-04-26T09:26:13 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya saw it
2017-04-26T09:26:24 < ohsix> werd
2017-04-26T09:26:31 < ohsix> those boards he was building, loool
2017-04-26T09:26:43 < ohsix> his art installations are great
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2017-04-26T09:27:35 < dongs> why did you make a 500x500 pcb
2017-04-26T09:28:00 < dongs> what nigger units is that dude
2017-04-26T09:28:11 < upgrdman> R2COM, no idea about stencil size. but pcb is 50x50.
2017-04-26T09:28:17 < ohsix> http://isbn.nu/9781133103714 this book is kewl too
2017-04-26T09:28:27 < upgrdman> i'll blog a photo when it arrives so everyone can lol
2017-04-26T09:29:08 < ohsix> http://www.physics.brocku.ca/Courses/5P10/References/cheneykincaid.pdf uhhh awesome, hahah; i love when some .edu teacher just posts a whole book on the public internet
2017-04-26T09:30:11 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol i think this guys stencil was an accident, but...  http://blog.kevmod.com/2014/07/dirtypcbs-and-osh-park-comparison/
2017-04-26T09:30:18 < ohsix> there's probably some shit you'd be immediately interested in in that one too
2017-04-26T09:31:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/9mYyHFx.jpg my chinastencils
2017-04-26T09:31:57 < dongs> < upgrdman> R2COM, lol i think this guys stencil was an accident, but...
2017-04-26T09:31:59 < dongs> accident?
2017-04-26T09:32:00 < dongs> in what sense?
2017-04-26T09:32:36 < upgrdman> dongs, for the price, i dont think theyd make it pro size
2017-04-26T09:32:48 < upgrdman> like that a stencil for a real squeegie setup with a frame
2017-04-26T09:32:51 < dongs> upgrdman: the price is for the sheet of metal (standard size for 550x560 std frame or something)
2017-04-26T09:33:00 < upgrdman> dongs, ya but shipping
2017-04-26T09:33:01 < dongs> upgrdman: its more work to cut it after
2017-04-26T09:33:19 < upgrdman> dongs, 2day DHL for my 10 PCBs + stencil was like $19
2017-04-26T09:33:29 < dongs> yeah normal price for agent dhl
2017-04-26T09:33:33 < upgrdman> i doubt DHL would 2day a big stencil from sz to cali for $19
2017-04-26T09:33:39 < dongs> they would
2017-04-26T09:33:42 < dongs> its flat
2017-04-26T09:33:43 < upgrdman> hmm ok cool
2017-04-26T09:33:44 < dongs> and light
2017-04-26T09:34:01 < dongs> like i said, i shipped like 3kg of shit to florida with chiangirl and that was liek $25
2017-04-26T09:34:06 < ohsix> how do they make the metal stencils
2017-04-26T09:34:15 < upgrdman> ohsix, guessing laser cutter
2017-04-26T09:34:26 < dongs> and your stencil + pcb is definitely not 3kg, and even with volume weight it should still be cheap-ish
2017-04-26T09:34:33 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-26T09:34:38 < ohsix> sure but what kind of power, 160w or something pals got have told me no way
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2017-04-26T09:35:04 < ohsix> i figured they'd etch it since pcb's are mostly photochemical process
2017-04-26T09:35:29 < ohsix> you could use it as a cathode too ;]
2017-04-26T09:35:39 < upgrdman> R2COM, at my company, the sales rooms looked like 85% women
2017-04-26T09:36:05 < ohsix> that's why they kill them when they're babies
2017-04-26T09:36:05 < upgrdman> dongs, any idea how the stencils are made? laser?
2017-04-26T09:36:48 < Ultrasauce> they are definitely laser cut
2017-04-26T09:36:57 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-26T09:37:07 < ohsix> in one pass?
2017-04-26T09:38:24 < ohsix> random google result suggests 2-3kw laser
2017-04-26T09:38:34 < ohsix> for SPEEEED
2017-04-26T09:38:46 < upgrdman> R2COM, with proper optics ya
2017-04-26T09:38:48 < ohsix> enough to keep it clean and to not anneal it, probably
2017-04-26T09:38:59 < upgrdman> but most diverge quite a bit
2017-04-26T09:39:36 < ohsix> the 160w laser cutters could probably do it, but they'd heat the metal too much and it would warp and shit
2017-04-26T09:39:46 < upgrdman> R2COM, wtf kinda shit company offers free samples but wont ship them to you
2017-04-26T09:39:57 < ohsix> haha
2017-04-26T09:39:59 < ohsix> CREE
2017-04-26T09:40:07 < ohsix> i had to give up my ups account number so they could bill me
2017-04-26T09:40:17 < ohsix> and they sent like a package a week until i told them to stop
2017-04-26T09:40:40 < ohsix> circa 2014
2017-04-26T09:41:23 < ohsix> it makes some sense
2017-04-26T09:41:36 < Ultrasauce> turns out shipping stuff on the same continent is cheaper
2017-04-26T09:41:58 < ohsix> if they more freely distribute samples, it incurs a cost on both sides and only people that really want the samples will pony up
2017-04-26T09:42:22 < upgrdman> R2COM, you should hire some chinagirl to pick up your free samples and them ship them to you via that $1 ePacket service
2017-04-26T09:42:34 < ohsix> anyways, ended up costing a lot :o
2017-04-26T09:42:45 < ohsix> they didn't even ship ground when they were using my account number
2017-04-26T09:43:07 < upgrdman> R2COM, you know how all the ebay china shit that sells for $1 shipped?
2017-04-26T09:43:20 < upgrdman> its the usa-subsidized slow boat china shipping option
2017-04-26T09:43:54 < upgrdman> like this. $0.71 shipped http://www.ebay.com/itm/Computer-Cleaning-Putty-Gel-Clean-Cyber-Dust-Crumbs-Keyboard-Phone-Desk-Laptop-/311851567315?hash=item489bcd48d3:g:5IAAAOSwq7JT5JIg
2017-04-26T09:44:08 < ohsix> heh veritasium dude has a slot on bill nye's new show
2017-04-26T09:44:12 < upgrdman> 1.5-3 weeks for me in cali
2017-04-26T09:44:50 < ohsix> have you checked out aliexpress yet
2017-04-26T09:45:19 < upgrdman> R2COM, well then ya pay for dhl you impatient faggot
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2017-04-26T09:47:58 < ohsix> http://www.lpkfusa.com/datasheets/stencil/p6060.pdf stencil cutter machine, fiber laser, only power they mention is 1500va
2017-04-26T09:48:21 < ohsix> k time to jet
2017-04-26T09:48:31 < ohsix> need ideas for dumb stuff to do if anyone has any
2017-04-26T09:48:41 < Ultrasauce> keep talking on irc
2017-04-26T09:49:46 < dongs> clean cyber dust
2017-04-26T09:49:55 < dongs> man i cant fucking stand chrome
2017-04-26T09:49:56 < dongs> fuck
2017-04-26T09:50:00 < Ultrasauce> i think you underestimate how awful i am at that game
2017-04-26T09:50:12 < dongs> speaking of games
2017-04-26T09:50:17 < dongs> pal suggested i try lego worlds
2017-04-26T09:50:19 < dongs> i BOUGHT that
2017-04-26T09:50:25 < dongs> requested refund 15 mins later
2017-04-26T09:50:27 < dongs> absolute garbage
2017-04-26T09:51:59 < dongs> no, it s garbage too
2017-04-26T09:52:10 < dongs> chrome has been broken on highdpi for the last 3 releases
2017-04-26T09:52:11 < zyp> edge?
2017-04-26T09:52:14 < dongs> so its pretty obvious they're not gonna fix it
2017-04-26T09:52:42 < dongs> stop using 1080p screen
2017-04-26T09:52:43 < dongs> and youll know
2017-04-26T09:53:09 < dongs> 4K at 125%?
2017-04-26T09:53:22 < dongs> thats whats broken then.
2017-04-26T09:53:27 < dongs> launch chrome side by side with any other app
2017-04-26T09:53:32 < dongs> chrome fonts/titlebar are fucking huge
2017-04-26T09:53:35 < dongs> compared to anything else on desktop
2017-04-26T09:57:46 < dongs> R2COM: quit all your chroems
2017-04-26T09:57:50 < dongs> and run one wiht --high-dpi-support=1 --force-device-scale-factor=1
2017-04-26T09:57:53 < dongs> chrome.exe --high-dpi-support=1 --force-device-scale-factor=1
2017-04-26T09:57:59 < dongs> and compare teh difference
2017-04-26T09:58:13 < dongs> i do not want browser chroem taking up half my fucking 4K monitor, thats not what I bought 4K for
2017-04-26T09:58:19 < dongs> BEACUSE ITS BROKEN WITH OUT IT
2017-04-26T09:58:24 < dongs> everythign is FUCKING HUGE
2017-04-26T09:58:34 < upgrdman> chrome knows how to trigger dongs
2017-04-26T09:58:49 < upgrdman> you must have pissed off some google engineer
2017-04-26T09:58:59 < dongs> you dont
2017-04-26T09:59:05 < dongs> just try it once to see teh difference
2017-04-26T09:59:14 < dongs> and how much whitespace is wasted by the last 3 releases of chroem
2017-04-26T10:00:11 < dongs> ??????????
2017-04-26T10:00:20 < dongs> do you not see the difference with launching it with that cli?
2017-04-26T10:00:23 < ReadError> using that shit makes things look way worse
2017-04-26T10:00:33 < ReadError> vs defaults
2017-04-26T10:00:38 < dongs> wat
2017-04-26T10:00:53 < dongs> not same stuff.
2017-04-26T10:00:58 < dongs> your're either blind or retarded
2017-04-26T10:01:04 < ReadError> yea its diff
2017-04-26T10:01:10 < ReadError> just not sure a better difference...
2017-04-26T10:03:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/AVmLRss.png
2017-04-26T10:04:12 < dongs> top = default, broken trash
2017-04-26T10:04:16 < dongs> bottom = normal size
2017-04-26T10:04:28 < dongs> (normal = with cli, which I had to add after they broke it in r55 or so
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2017-04-26T10:06:00 < dongs> with top thing, its taking 100% scale, then applying 125% scale (because google thinks its smart) and then OS applies 125% on top of that, so it looks like complete garbage
2017-04-26T10:06:31 < dongs> R2SCAM, that's the view with CLI
2017-04-26T10:06:36 < dongs> no whitespace wasted
2017-04-26T10:07:39 < dongs> yes....
2017-04-26T10:07:48 < dongs> 109px tall bar
2017-04-26T10:07:53 < dongs> now run it without CLI
2017-04-26T10:07:56 < dongs> and you'll see its HUGE
2017-04-26T10:08:03 < dongs> do you not fucking see the difference?
2017-04-26T10:08:04 < dongs> wtf
2017-04-26T10:08:10 < dongs> yeah
2017-04-26T10:08:51 < dongs> http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/2016/10/21/how-to-fix-google-chromes-large-zoomed-in-ui-after-update/
2017-04-26T10:09:06 < dongs> see?
2017-04-26T10:09:09 < dongs> this is when the shit started
2017-04-26T10:09:13 < dongs> people have been complaining since then
2017-04-26T10:09:34 < dongs> not since october it isnt
2017-04-26T10:09:39 < dongs> this has been broken for a good 6 months now
2017-04-26T10:10:02 < dongs> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/0h1Bk4VaNj4
2017-04-26T10:10:07 < dongs> Thanks for posting on the Google Chrome Help Forum.
2017-04-26T10:10:07 < dongs> We would like to share that the increased visual size of Chrome's UI is an intended change/behavior on Chrome 54.
2017-04-26T10:10:10 < dongs> HA HA HA HA HA
2017-04-26T10:10:44 < dongs> its not
2017-04-26T10:10:49 < dongs> if it was working I wouldnt be raging
2017-04-26T10:11:01 < dongs> that blog post clearly says
2017-04-26T10:11:04 < dongs> chrome faggots decided to make shit huge
2017-04-26T10:11:06 < dongs> for no reason
2017-04-26T10:11:09 < zyp> dongs, so what do you have the dpi scaling in your windows set to?
2017-04-26T10:11:11 < dongs> and they're not goign back off from it
2017-04-26T10:11:14 < dongs> zyp, 125%
2017-04-26T10:11:19 < dongs> as it has always been
2017-04-26T10:11:43 < zyp> and that turns chrome into 125% of what you wanted?
2017-04-26T10:12:09 < dongs> zyp, it does 125% "internally" and then windows zooms it again into 125% more
2017-04-26T10:12:15 < dongs> so result is huge trash with whitespace wasted
2017-04-26T10:12:24 < dongs> unless taht CLI stuff is used
2017-04-26T10:12:38 < Steffanx> Dont use 125% or buy glasses
2017-04-26T10:12:48 < Steffanx> *and
2017-04-26T10:13:23 < Steffanx> :)
2017-04-26T10:14:18 < Steffanx> I did real once you can get blurred vision from fapping.
2017-04-26T10:15:53 < zyp> Steffanx, don't shoot yourself in the eye
2017-04-26T10:16:01 < dongs> so yeah
2017-04-26T10:16:08 < dongs> R2COM: of course it looks fine at 100%.
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2017-04-26T10:42:49 < Steffanx> You must be happy with Sergey Brin, Laurenceb . Isnt it your dream to build a n airship/blimb?
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2017-04-26T11:55:46 < hetii> crt, :)
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2017-04-26T12:02:50 < Steffanx> T. HANKS.
2017-04-26T12:03:23 < Steffanx> Hi.
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2017-04-26T12:03:43 < Steffanx> Waffles are belong to dhl now
2017-04-26T12:03:46 < Steffanx> Why?
2017-04-26T12:04:39 < Steffanx> Does he even know stroopwafels?
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2017-04-26T12:08:15 < Steffanx> Heh
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2017-04-26T12:08:47 < zyp> windmill land?
2017-04-26T12:08:52 < zyp> I thought that were denmark
2017-04-26T12:09:52 < zyp> lots of wind there
2017-04-26T12:10:50 < zyp> heh, according to wikipedia, .dk and .nl are respectively #15 and #16 on the list of wind power capacity per country
2017-04-26T12:11:22 < zyp> ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_by_country#Installed_wind_power_capacity
2017-04-26T12:11:49 < Steffanx> For real? Im surprised zyp. Dutchies dont want wind turbines.
2017-04-26T12:12:08 < zyp> Steffanx, I'm surprised myself, I thought .dk would be way higher
2017-04-26T12:12:14 < Steffanx> Because noisy and horizon polution crap
2017-04-26T12:13:14 < Steffanx> We have natural gas. But we have issues with it because of tiny earth quakes.
2017-04-26T12:13:42 < Steffanx> Especially in the region i live.
2017-04-26T12:13:59 < zyp> looks like .dk was pretty early, they were high up in the list ten years ago, but haven't been increasing as much as other countries lately
2017-04-26T12:14:09 < Steffanx> But our government doesnt really care the houses are worth nothing due to the damage
2017-04-26T12:14:32 < Steffanx> Ah.
2017-04-26T12:14:47 < Steffanx> Lol crt.
2017-04-26T12:15:18 < zyp> china has doubled their capacity over the last 3-4 years
2017-04-26T12:15:24 < Steffanx> Better visit a real dutch mill while you are in europe
2017-04-26T12:15:51 < Steffanx> But in china they dont give a shit about people and their complaints
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2017-04-26T12:18:23 < Steffanx> After the 1.5KG waffles you will have diabetes and be fat.
2017-04-26T12:18:45 < Steffanx> Waffle powered.
2017-04-26T12:19:20 < Steffanx> YES.
2017-04-26T12:20:04 < Steffanx> 40gram/waffle, 8 per pack, 5 packs
2017-04-26T12:21:06 < Steffanx> Nah, dhl is 40 dollars for 0-2kg packages. So i maxed it out to 1.9kg in total
2017-04-26T12:21:26 < Steffanx> Incl packaging materials.
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2017-04-26T12:21:30 < zyp> haha
2017-04-26T12:22:25 < zyp> wow
2017-04-26T12:22:43 < zyp> well, to be fair, .au is pretty far away from everything else
2017-04-26T12:23:03 < zyp> but still
2017-04-26T12:24:56 < zyp> hmm, I've yet to visit the south hemisphere
2017-04-26T12:26:54 < Steffanx> Aussieland isnt too bad either for an outsidef
2017-04-26T12:27:12 < zyp> I think you can say that about most countries if you just look at the right parts
2017-04-26T12:27:28 < Steffanx> Meh
2017-04-26T12:28:25 < zyp> you should go take Laurenceb out to a beer or something
2017-04-26T12:35:24 < Steffanx> C++? You mean methlab
2017-04-26T12:38:18 < Steffanx> You should bring him a spacebar crg
2017-04-26T12:38:19 < Steffanx> Crt
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2017-04-26T13:03:44 < Steffanx> Im always serious.
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2017-04-26T13:10:37 < Steffanx> Hi stvvn
2017-04-26T13:16:10 < Steffanx> C.
2017-04-26T13:17:24 < Steffanx> And your evening?
2017-04-26T13:29:20 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBewKu80Mg music times
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2017-04-26T13:35:07 < kakimir> hi
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2017-04-26T13:37:03 < kakimir> tractor is okay mate
2017-04-26T13:37:05 < kakimir> why?
2017-04-26T13:39:02 < kakimir> there is P/N and S/N but what is WW/N ?
2017-04-26T13:40:10 < kakimir> hm.. it's WWN
2017-04-26T13:40:34 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Name
2017-04-26T13:42:26 < kakimir> what would be L/N
2017-04-26T13:46:08 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSHN4Rm9QZ0JSaW8/view?usp=sharing I don't want anyone to steal my serial numberos!
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2017-04-26T13:57:38 < jadew> https://github.com/sdias/win-10-virtual-desktop-enhancer
2017-04-26T13:57:57 < jadew> ^ really nice tool
2017-04-26T13:58:43 < kakimir> what james bond movie it was where pierce brosnan leaves cargo plane cargo bay with that small glider thing?
2017-04-26T14:03:57 < kakimir> http://skydiveespana.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Die-Another-Day-158_jpg.jpg oh that is more lame I remembered it
2017-04-26T14:04:16 < jadew> lol
2017-04-26T14:04:56 < jadew> I'd jump with it tho
2017-04-26T14:05:12 < jadew> *if I had the guts to jump with a parachute
2017-04-26T14:06:12 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjHJYj3g8Oc
2017-04-26T14:06:44 < kakimir> you should have like.. 1000 jumps before trying anything like that
2017-04-26T14:07:47 < jadew> why? you just let it go and then release the chute
2017-04-26T14:09:46 < jadew> I'd ride it like that guy for a while, then I'd stand up on it and ride it like surf board (I can't surf either), then I'd jump up, with my fist towards the sky and release the chute with my other hand
2017-04-26T14:09:56 < jadew> pure glory
2017-04-26T14:10:35 < kakimir> jadew: safety
2017-04-26T14:11:18 < kakimir> acting on fine tuned instict instead of trying to rationalize it
2017-04-26T14:12:24 < kakimir> that thing looks like cardboard
2017-04-26T14:13:15 < kakimir> or paper mass with wallpaper paste
2017-04-26T14:13:35 < kakimir> probably has never flown
2017-04-26T14:14:35 < jadew> of course, if it did, it would have a broken wing, from when the wing broke and sent the guy spinning to his death at 300 RPM
2017-04-26T14:17:20 < kakimir> they could try to fly it
2017-04-26T14:18:19 < kakimir> as a kind of spectacle number
2017-04-26T14:18:47 < kakimir> sometimes jumpers take stuff with them and then try to fly with those items
2017-04-26T14:20:49 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eabz4V-tvU
2017-04-26T14:21:17 < jadew> spoiler: not real
2017-04-26T14:32:01 < englishman> boy r2com sure is retarded
2017-04-26T14:32:39 < zyp> what's up?
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2017-04-26T14:35:29 < jadew> lol, what did I miss?
2017-04-26T14:38:31 < Steffanx> Nothing? You knew this right?
2017-04-26T14:39:35 < englishman> zyp, what's energy generation per capita tho?
2017-04-26T14:40:16 < englishman> .dk makes their money selling turbines too, vestas is danish and has over 40k turbines in usa
2017-04-26T14:41:00 < PeterM> sync_ incase you're wondering, there was enough meat in the Hope Tech 3 V4s to drill out the M6x1.0 and tap in a M10x1.25, brake modulation is muuuch better
2017-04-26T14:43:34 < zyp> englishman, yeah, that's true
2017-04-26T14:48:07 < Steffanx> Where is mr orange?
2017-04-26T14:50:03 < sync_> interesting PeterM
2017-04-26T14:51:12 < PeterM> that and the new levers are built like tanks
2017-04-26T14:51:24 < PeterM> being motorcycle levers
2017-04-26T14:52:09 < sync_> idk if I would like that
2017-04-26T14:52:18 < sync_> maybe a brembro radial pump
2017-04-26T14:52:23 < sync_> but as I said, never had the issue
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2017-04-26T15:15:53 < Ecco> Hey :)
2017-04-26T15:16:10 < Ecco> It seems like it's not possible to pause the IWDG when in STOP mode.
2017-04-26T15:16:13 < Ecco> Is that correct?
2017-04-26T15:19:15 < zyp> that sounds about right, wouldn't that undermine the whole point of a watchdog anyway?
2017-04-26T15:20:29 < Ecco> Good question.
2017-04-26T15:21:30 < Ecco> Imagine an elevator for example.
2017-04-26T15:21:37 < Ecco> It's doing nothing until someone presses a button
2017-04-26T15:21:41 < Ecco> so it would go into STOP mode
2017-04-26T15:21:47 < zyp> if you pause the watchdog in STOP mode, what's to prevent you from remaining stuck in STOP mode?
2017-04-26T15:21:51 < Ecco> nothing
2017-04-26T15:22:38 < zyp> why are you using the watchdog at all if you don't want that protection?
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2017-04-26T15:24:25 < Ecco> Well, to work around bugs when not in STOP mode
2017-04-26T15:25:50 < englishman> you can disable watchdog before you go into stop
2017-04-26T15:25:52 < englishman> ...?
2017-04-26T15:25:58 < Ecco> englishman: well, how?
2017-04-26T15:26:05 < Ecco> It doesn't seem to be possible
2017-04-26T15:26:25 < englishman> either stop rtc fully or disable its interrupt?
2017-04-26T15:27:03 < englishman> to be clear, you want watchdog for your main code, but not in its sleep mode, right
2017-04-26T15:27:09 < jpa-> IWDG is not related to RTC
2017-04-26T15:27:10 < Ecco> exactly
2017-04-26T15:27:18 < jpa-> but you can disable it by going through reset
2017-04-26T15:27:20 < Ecco> IWDG has its own oscillator, LSI, which cannot be stopped
2017-04-26T15:27:39 < jpa-> https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/sphere2/src_rx/main.c    something like this
2017-04-26T15:27:58 < jpa-> you can also use WWDG which can be disabled more easily
2017-04-26T15:28:40 < fest> this sensor looks nice: http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/imaging-and-photonics-solutions/proximity-sensors/vl53l1.html
2017-04-26T15:28:46 < jpa-> another way is just to set IWDG to max period (30 seconds or something) and just wake up every so often; it will not take much energy
2017-04-26T15:29:04 < englishman> hmm crap maybe i am thinking of something else
2017-04-26T15:29:24 < jpa-> you are probably thinking about RTC alarm
2017-04-26T15:29:52 < englishman> there's a watchdog on rtc too, iirc
2017-04-26T15:29:53 < englishman> separate from alarm
2017-04-26T15:30:34 < Ecco> jpa-: Thanks for the code. I quite don't understand it though
2017-04-26T15:30:57 < Ecco> "go to sleep without IWDG" is indeed what I'd like to do (seems easier than waking up just to make the IWDG happy)
2017-04-26T15:30:59 < jpa-> Ecco: its friend is here   https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/sphere2/src_common/powersave.c
2017-04-26T15:31:35 < Ecco> Oh wait
2017-04-26T15:31:40 < Ecco> so you actually reset the device?
2017-04-26T15:31:45 < jpa-> so in powersave_sleep() i set a marker value (0x57400 which is Tectu's IQ) to a register, and then reset the CPU; after reset i check it before enabling IWDG
2017-04-26T15:31:47 < Ecco> as in "all sram might be lost" ?
2017-04-26T15:31:57 < zyp> Ecco, why don't you just use WWDG?
2017-04-26T15:32:03 < jpa-> Ecco: yes
2017-04-26T15:32:19 < jpa-> Ecco: my difference is that i'm using standby mode so all my sram is lost anyway
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2017-04-26T15:32:43 < Laurenceb_> MGTOW at work https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/04/25/2035243/an-artificial-womb-successfully-grew-baby-sheep----and-humans-could-be-next
2017-04-26T15:33:00 < Ecco> zyp: Wouldn't WWDG have the same kind of limitation?
2017-04-26T15:33:13 < zyp> no, WWDG is more flexible
2017-04-26T15:33:13 < Ecco> Actually I'm not sure I understood WWDG's purpose
2017-04-26T15:33:51 < zyp> the purpose of WWDG is to have a flexible and precise watchdog
2017-04-26T15:34:02 < jpa-> WWDG doesn't try to be as bomb-proof, it doesn't have separate clock etc.
2017-04-26T15:34:04 < zyp> the purpose of IWDG is to have a simple and robust watchdog
2017-04-26T15:34:09 < Ecco> I understand
2017-04-26T15:34:25 < zyp> and considering you want to pause it, you obviously don't want that robustness
2017-04-26T15:34:25 < Ecco> THen indeed it makes sense for IWDG to be configurable as "always start" with option bytes
2017-04-26T15:34:34 < Ecco> and to prevent anything from stopping it
2017-04-26T15:34:38 < Ecco> indeed, definitely
2017-04-26T15:34:41 < jpa-> but hmm, do i remember wrong after all; stm32f4 reference says that activation bit can be only cleared by reset
2017-04-26T15:35:00 < Ecco> about WWDG too?
2017-04-26T15:35:07 < jpa-> yeah
2017-04-26T15:35:15 < zyp> I don't think so
2017-04-26T15:35:36 < jpa-> i remember that it should be possible to disable it but now i can't find how
2017-04-26T15:36:17 < jpa-> "The watchdog is always disabled after a reset. It is enabled by setting the WDGA bit in the WWDG_CR register, then it cannot be disabled again except by a reset."
2017-04-26T15:36:30 < Ecco> Exactly the sentence I was reading right now
2017-04-26T15:36:32 < Ecco> crap
2017-04-26T15:37:02 < Ecco> I might be able to tweak other registers?
2017-04-26T15:37:06 < jpa-> Ecco: https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/doglight2/sw/src/   here i use iwdg with 30s timeout, and then use rtc to sleep a little bit less time
2017-04-26T15:37:41 < Ecco> Yeah…
2017-04-26T15:37:46 < Ecco> I sure could do that
2017-04-26T15:37:52 < Ecco> But that's painful :)
2017-04-26T15:38:39 < zyp> WWDG has a reset bit in RCC, does that count as a reset? :)
2017-04-26T15:38:54 < zyp> oh
2017-04-26T15:38:59 < zyp> there's also a WWDGLPEN
2017-04-26T15:39:12 < zyp> wonder if that would stop the WWDG during STOP when not set
2017-04-26T15:40:07 < zyp> "The window watchdog (WWDG) clock is prescaled from the APB1 clock"
2017-04-26T15:40:25 < zyp> so I would guess that turning off the clock would pause it
2017-04-26T15:43:57 < englishman> haha watchdog pen
2017-04-26T15:44:12 < jpa-> looks like some stm32 models also have IWDG_STOP in the option bytes which disables IWDG during powerdown
2017-04-26T15:45:20 < jpa-> stm32L151 should have it but i can't find the option byte description at all now
2017-04-26T15:45:37 < jpa-> it is as if st.com has removed all of the flash programming manuals
2017-04-26T15:45:54 < Ecco> well zyp has a point
2017-04-26T15:46:01 < Ecco> indeed the clock of WWDG comes from APB1
2017-04-26T15:46:17 < Ecco> so it shouldn't run in STOP mode
2017-04-26T15:46:32 < zyp> jpa-, they did, flash programming manuals got merged into the regular reference manuals a while ago
2017-04-26T15:46:52 < zyp> should be a flash chapter in the normal RM now
2017-04-26T15:49:42 < jpa-> zyp: ah, great, thanks
2017-04-26T15:51:11 < jpa-> no reference to iwdg_stop though, only dbg_iwdg_stop
2017-04-26T15:57:43 < TheSeven> F2xx doesn't have VREFINT calibration values in system memory, right?
2017-04-26T15:57:51 < TheSeven> can't seem to find any mention of that in the datasheet
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2017-04-26T16:22:27 < karlp> jpa-: i think they moved most of the flash programming manuals into the "flash and memory" section of the RM,
2017-04-26T16:22:35 < karlp> instead of having a truncated copy of it.
2017-04-26T16:25:04 < zyp> that's what I said :)
2017-04-26T16:26:51 < jpa-> that's what zyp said
2017-04-26T16:28:21 < karlp> that's what I said!
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2017-04-26T16:56:20 < Laurenceb_> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dc3_1493173111
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2017-04-26T17:04:33 < jadew> it would be a lot simpler if all toilets were unisex
2017-04-26T17:05:03 < jadew> then everyone could identify to whatever they want and nobody would get butthurt about it
2017-04-26T17:05:38 < jadew> that being said, I don't mind having more women in the men's bathrooms
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2017-04-26T17:24:56 < PeterM> women make a mess in public bathrooms
2017-04-26T17:25:08 < PeterM> moreso than dudes
2017-04-26T17:25:12 < PeterM> i have no idea how
2017-04-26T17:26:02 < PeterM> also, i do agree with all toilets unisex, you'd save so much space just making a farm of stalls rather than duplicating wash basins, walls etc
2017-04-26T17:27:20 < munki> they hover
2017-04-26T17:27:35 < munki> which causes even more messes
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2017-04-26T17:42:14 < dongs> lol what the shit . that versa board is 10 layer pcb
2017-04-26T17:42:21 < dongs> the $99 shit from digikey
2017-04-26T17:49:23 < zyp> nice
2017-04-26T17:50:02 < dongs> pretty wasteful too. like 4 power planes etc.
2017-04-26T17:50:07 < dongs> they're not trying very hard.
2017-04-26T17:50:33 < dongs> if china can route DDR3 on 2 layers,
2017-04-26T17:50:35 < Laurenceb_> versa board?
2017-04-26T17:50:49 < dongs> some fpga eval thing
2017-04-26T17:50:56 < Laurenceb_> https://www.liquidlogickayaks.com/product/LRVB1215.html
2017-04-26T17:51:16 < dongs> you got some seriosuly gay shit in your google suggested resutls
2017-04-26T17:51:35 < dongs> https://www.google.com/search?q=fpga+versa+board
2017-04-26T17:51:43 < zyp> I looked some more at allwinner shit, looks like documentation is easily accessible and that shit is fairly well supported in mainline too
2017-04-26T17:51:49 < Ecco> Altium keeps resetting my designators' positions on the PCB
2017-04-26T17:52:00 < zyp> almost tempted to make a board just to give it a try
2017-04-26T17:52:49 < dongs> fofr h3?
2017-04-26T17:52:54 < dongs> i think mainline only suports opensores shit
2017-04-26T17:52:58 < dongs> which emans no GPU etc
2017-04-26T17:53:06 < zyp> maybe I should make a module without connectors since other modules are shitty
2017-04-26T17:53:16 < zyp> I mean, without huge jacks and stuff
2017-04-26T17:53:23 < englishman> make one with edison connector
2017-04-26T17:53:26 < dongs> you mean like a system on module?
2017-04-26T17:53:29 < zyp> yeah
2017-04-26T17:53:30 < englishman> drop-in replacement
2017-04-26T17:53:39 < dongs> isnt that shit 0.3m pitch
2017-04-26T17:53:42 < englishman> ye
2017-04-26T17:53:46 < englishman> probrem?
2017-04-26T17:53:52 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro
2017-04-26T17:54:07 < zyp> I mean, I could even use it in the EV project instead of the edison
2017-04-26T17:54:09 < dongs> best pumping website
2017-04-26T17:55:05 < PeterM> ehem, nazi.camp is much btter
2017-04-26T17:55:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/WMWYUH0.png .. one of layers
2017-04-26T17:55:35 < dongs> typical orcad designer layout
2017-04-26T17:55:37 < zyp> haha
2017-04-26T17:56:02 < Laurenceb_> irefox can't find the server at www.nazi.camp
2017-04-26T17:56:09 < zyp> well, that shit happens in multilayer boards
2017-04-26T17:56:19 < dongs> ya but thats just laziness
2017-04-26T17:56:24 < dongs> the other inner trace layers are mostly empty too
2017-04-26T17:56:35 < zyp> layers comes in pairs, and then you end up with that one layers that you don't have any real use for
2017-04-26T17:56:37 < Laurenceb_> serious efficiency there
2017-04-26T17:57:42 < englishman> nazi.pro is available $0.88
2017-04-26T17:58:09 < zyp> dongs, this XR819 wifi chip, is that also easily available in china?
2017-04-26T17:58:36 < zyp> as far as I can tell that's allwinner's own wifi shit
2017-04-26T17:58:39 < englishman> is that pcie
2017-04-26T17:58:42 < zyp> SDIO
2017-04-26T17:58:47 < englishman> in volume 10L probably doesnt change anything
2017-04-26T17:58:52 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/totally-legit/822593_32681921376.html
2017-04-26T17:58:56 < englishman> after you hit 6L
2017-04-26T17:59:03 < kakimir> is "overflown" correct word?
2017-04-26T17:59:06 < dongs> no
2017-04-26T17:59:10 < zyp> dongs, oh, haha, I didn't even check aliexpress
2017-04-26T17:59:12 < dongs> zyp: i can ask allwinner guys here
2017-04-26T17:59:16 < kakimir> overflowed?
2017-04-26T17:59:17 < dongs> but yeah, its probly "avialable"
2017-04-26T17:59:18 < kakimir> has *
2017-04-26T17:59:24 < englishman> kaks, context
2017-04-26T18:00:17 < zyp> dongs, well, if you can even pick it up on ali, I don't imagine it's hard to source otherwise either
2017-04-26T18:00:21 < kakimir> "//this flag indicates that uptime variable.."
2017-04-26T18:00:29 < dongs> yeah.
2017-04-26T18:00:35 < kakimir> "..at least once"
2017-04-26T18:01:30 < kakimir> planning to use wifi chip dongs ? your zano is not ready yet?
2017-04-26T18:02:02 < dongs> donno ask zyp, hes autisming over seomthin
2017-04-26T18:02:24 < kakimir> have you been in shanghai dongs?
2017-04-26T18:03:19 < zyp> just evaluating shit that could possibly work for future projects
2017-04-26T18:03:47 < kakimir> what kind of projects you need a IC for instead of module?
2017-04-26T18:04:28 < dongs> same kidna projects that use STM32
2017-04-26T18:04:37 < dongs> the kinda projects you never complete!!!
2017-04-26T18:04:37 < englishman> 6L boards arrived, time to get paid
2017-04-26T18:05:29 < zyp> kakimir, problem is, there's not a lot of decent modules
2017-04-26T18:06:06 < zyp> there's edison which is shit, and there's artik which I haven't tried yet
2017-04-26T18:06:15 < zyp> and probably a bunch of expensive stuff
2017-04-26T18:06:51 < dongs> this dumb fucking usb hub, the outputs are opposite of where i want them!
2017-04-26T18:07:10 < dongs> they're facing into the end of the board where they're useless
2017-04-26T18:07:15 < kakimir> zyp: true
2017-04-26T18:09:17 < zyp> hmm, maybe a module with an FPC connector or two would work, that should keep it both cheap and small and easy to fit into designs
2017-04-26T18:09:46 < TheSeven> wtf... this ADC is trolling me
2017-04-26T18:10:06 < dongs> zyp, put entier thing on FPC
2017-04-26T18:10:08 < dongs> BGA, too]
2017-04-26T18:10:13 < zyp> haha
2017-04-26T18:10:17 < TheSeven> I'm trying to sample Vrefint on F205's ADC1
2017-04-26T18:10:32 < dongs> im serious.y you can do such highspec stuff on fpc
2017-04-26T18:10:33 < dongs> for free
2017-04-26T18:10:46 < zyp> how much is fpc though?
2017-04-26T18:10:51 < dongs> cheap!
2017-04-26T18:10:58 < TheSeven> so I'm enabling TSVREFE, waiting 10us, then sampling channel 17 and getting a junk value of ~280
2017-04-26T18:10:59 < zyp> also layers and shit?
2017-04-26T18:11:09 < zyp> can you even do 4L FPC?
2017-04-26T18:11:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/TrfulBg.jpg this was like 100 bucks for 20 including assembly
2017-04-26T18:11:27 < dongs> last time i quoted FPC stuff, it started at $600+
2017-04-26T18:11:36 < zyp> huh, cool
2017-04-26T18:11:38 < TheSeven> 10us should be enough for that reference to settle, but I though I'd try longer delays. result: even lower values
2017-04-26T18:11:50 < TheSeven> as if Vrefint would be coming up and then draining back down again
2017-04-26T18:11:58 < dongs> and sure, you can do 4L flexi
2017-04-26T18:12:54 < TheSeven> the nature of fpc being flexible might possible be a problem with some components though
2017-04-26T18:12:59 < TheSeven> possibly*
2017-04-26T18:13:41 < zyp> also prohibits components on both sides, since you need a rigid backer
2017-04-26T18:13:44 < zyp> I would guess
2017-04-26T18:13:45 < englishman> shit, assembly too
2017-04-26T18:15:40 < kakimir> my milliseconds uptime run out in half a million years
2017-04-26T18:15:46 < kakimir> I think
2017-04-26T18:16:03 < kakimir> I better change that to 32bit and just count the overflows
2017-04-26T18:17:42 < kakimir> just realized I should have only on demand seconds value for uptime
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2017-04-26T18:28:07 < Ecco> In Altium, is it possible to set the annotation distance?
2017-04-26T18:28:23 < Ecco> For example, you can pick the annotation position (above, center)
2017-04-26T18:28:28 < Ecco> can you chose how far?
2017-04-26T18:28:44 < dongs> wtf is annotation? refdes?
2017-04-26T18:28:58 < Ecco> sorry, designator
2017-04-26T18:29:06 < dongs> no y ou cant
2017-04-26T18:29:07 < TheSeven> in schematics or PCBs?
2017-04-26T18:29:09 < dongs> why the fuck woudl youwant to
2017-04-26T18:29:11 < dongs> anywhere.
2017-04-26T18:29:17 < dongs> just manually move the shits
2017-04-26T18:29:20 < Ecco> in PCB
2017-04-26T18:29:25 < dongs> or center them and dump them all to anoyther layer is what i do
2017-04-26T18:29:31 < dongs> plus it helps me to assemble shit later.
2017-04-26T18:29:40 < Ecco> well, Altium has an option to position the designator
2017-04-26T18:29:44 < dongs> yes.
2017-04-26T18:29:48 < dongs> center is the only option
2017-04-26T18:29:56 < Ecco> ok
2017-04-26T18:30:01 < Ecco> well, no, but… I see your point
2017-04-26T18:31:01 < englishman> select them all and move them all at once
2017-04-26T18:31:17 < englishman> then tweak the shitty ones
2017-04-26T18:31:19 < TheSeven> edit => align => position component text
2017-04-26T18:31:47 < englishman> heh nice
2017-04-26T18:31:50 < TheSeven> but I think there's no way to tell that how far to move them off the component
2017-04-26T18:32:23 < Ecco> ok, thanks
2017-04-26T18:35:45 < TheSeven> another option might be to put a .Designator text object inside the component footprints
2017-04-26T18:35:56 < TheSeven> and then hide the "real" designators
2017-04-26T18:38:38 < dongs> < TheSeven> edit => align => position component text
2017-04-26T18:38:42 < dongs> yeah thats what i said
2017-04-26T18:38:47 < dongs> and set it to 'center'
2017-04-26T18:38:54 < dongs> then select ehm all and move to another layer.
2017-04-26T18:42:58 < TheSeven> wow.
2017-04-26T18:43:01 < TheSeven> "When JL=0 (1 injected conversion in the sequencer), the ADC converts only JSQ4[4:0] channel."
2017-04-26T18:43:27 < TheSeven> "if there's only one, we'll pick the 4th one" - dafuq?
2017-04-26T18:46:08 < TheSeven> and where does that put the result? yes, in JDR1.
2017-04-26T18:46:26 < TheSeven> despite JDRx being defined as "These bits are read-only. They contain the conversion result from injected channel x."
2017-04-26T18:55:53 < dongs> zyp, any reason a cheap USB hub shouldn't be able to hub 4x ~80mbit USB2 bulk transfers?
2017-04-26T18:56:01 < dongs> tho in reality probly not more than ~56mbit
2017-04-26T18:56:35 < dongs> that TT/multiTT shit only affects mixing LS+HS/FS shit, yeah?
2017-04-26T18:56:50 < TheSeven> mbit/s of payload or on the wire?
2017-04-26T18:56:56 < dongs> payload
2017-04-26T18:58:28 < dongs> If you use more than one USB device per USB port, always use Multi-TT hubs. Forget cheap USB hubs sold in retail outlets, they are no good for USB Full-Speed traffic.
2017-04-26T18:58:36 < dongs> what if i dont have any FS devices??
2017-04-26T18:58:43 < dongs> whats up with this dubm advice ugh
2017-04-26T18:58:59 < TheSeven> USB2 maximum total payload bandwidth under best case conditions is around 409mbit/s
2017-04-26T19:00:02 < dongs> so thats 100/channel
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2017-04-26T19:01:27 < TheSeven> assuming each device gets in 3 packets per microframe, you'd be at 98.3mbit/s per device
2017-04-26T19:01:38 < dongs> (out but ok)
2017-04-26T19:02:12 < TheSeven> out from which perspective?
2017-04-26T19:02:14 < dongs> ah that paste is from some retarded MAKE:R thing that specifically uses fullspeed devices
2017-04-26T19:02:36 < dongs> i believe its an 'IN' transaction from USB side. so device -> usb -> host
2017-04-26T19:11:45 < TheSeven> IIUC a highspeed hub should not affect communication behavior to a high speed device other than additional roundtrip latency of up to 36 bits per hub level, which is already accounted for in the packet timings
2017-04-26T19:12:11 < TheSeven> the TT stuff definitely only affects low/full speed devices
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2017-04-26T19:14:06 < TheSeven> so you should be able to get those 98mbit/s to 3 devices simultaneously, under the assumptions that the host schedules packets sanely and the devices are not NAKing any requests
2017-04-26T19:14:12 < karlp> TheSeven: yeah, that injected channels being in 4,3,2,1 ordering is fucking bullshit :)
2017-04-26T19:14:46 < TheSeven> karlp: the data ending up in different data register numbers is even more bullshit, and definitely at least a documentation bug
2017-04-26T19:14:58 < karlp> on L1 at least, teh documentation matches reality
2017-04-26T19:15:18 < karlp> but was very confusing at first.
2017-04-26T19:15:30 < TheSeven> does it also say "These bits are read-only. They contain the conversion result from injected channel x." for the data regs?
2017-04-26T19:15:43 < TheSeven> and if you only convert one channel, which data reg does that end up in?
2017-04-26T19:16:36 < TheSeven> on F2 the data seems to be written to JDR1, then if a second conversion is done to JDR2, etc.
2017-04-26T19:16:56 < TheSeven> the channels are sampled in JSQ1,2,3,4 order
2017-04-26T19:17:29 < TheSeven> but if less than 4 are enabled, only the *last* JSQ registers are used, but the data values put into the *first* JDR registers
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2017-04-26T20:06:59 < englishman> perfect pastes every time now
2017-04-26T20:07:02 < englishman> so stoked
2017-04-26T20:07:07 < englishman> they look pretty
2017-04-26T20:07:16 < englishman> oven tuned to get that rohs shine, too
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2017-04-26T21:26:10 < Steffanx> ☕
2017-04-26T21:30:11 < zyp> shut up, you're so noisy
2017-04-26T21:32:54 < englishman> :'-(
2017-04-26T21:32:55 < TheSeven> that moment when you've ordered regular 8-pin female 2.54mm pin headers on aliexpress, and get arduino stacking headers with those really long pins...
2017-04-26T21:33:34 < zyp> welcome to aliexpress
2017-04-26T21:35:09 < TheSeven> I'd have expected that happening the other way round, but that way? c'mon... don't tell me these arduino stacking headers are cheaper these days
2017-04-26T21:36:18 < fest> TheSeven: I received microusb connectors for recessed mounting (i.e. hole in pcb)
2017-04-26T21:38:17 < Steffanx> Love you too zyp
2017-04-26T21:39:13 < zyp> <3
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2017-04-26T21:55:07 < englishman> just hangin out http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/woman-stuck-on-crane-at-church-and-wellesley/ar-BBAo0Zi
2017-04-26T21:55:59 < Steffanx> lol.
2017-04-26T22:00:10 < ohsix> upgrdman: http://libgen.me/view.php?id=917886 related but ultranerdy
2017-04-26T22:07:00 < Steffanx> Does work for.me
2017-04-26T22:07:06 < Steffanx> *doesn't
2017-04-26T22:11:54 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/Z3fFFcj.gifv
2017-04-26T22:12:28 < englishman> lol at that everytime
2017-04-26T22:12:52 < Steffanx> Cant be real. She doesnt even look.
2017-04-26T22:13:10 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_8mdH20qTQ
2017-04-26T22:13:21 < jadew> nice
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2017-04-26T22:59:28 < Laurenceb_> https://blog.bolt.io/heres-why-juicero-s-press-is-so-expensive-6add74594e50
2017-04-26T23:02:18 < gxti> wtf
2017-04-26T23:02:20 < Laurenceb_> stm32 confirmed
2017-04-26T23:02:36 < gxti> i don't even know what this is and i can tell it's retarded
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2017-04-26T23:04:42 < Steffanx> it only ended up in ##stm32 this week, so you're not that late gxti
2017-04-26T23:04:53 < Steffanx> or last week
2017-04-26T23:05:55 < gxti> some kind of cartridge-ized vegetable mass i guess
2017-04-26T23:06:16 < gxti> because they were jealous of keurig?
2017-04-26T23:06:39 < Laurenceb_> looks like of cool, if you can think of a use for it
2017-04-26T23:06:49 < Laurenceb_> https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1000/1*-SD5h0yz-HiSwwyOM65vHw.png
2017-04-26T23:07:01 < Laurenceb_> maybe a car jack
2017-04-26T23:07:06 < gxti> just stick a brushless motor on a bench vice, it'll do the same thing lol
2017-04-26T23:10:09 < ohsix> juicero should have got out in front of that and did their own teardown, or had ifixit do it
2017-04-26T23:10:23 < ohsix> apple knows how to sell that cnc milled shit that costs $$$
2017-04-26T23:10:51 < Laurenceb_> wtf https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1000/1*QS7tFs7gLngvxN44Zkrikw.png
2017-04-26T23:11:06 < Laurenceb_> thats just the door latch
2017-04-26T23:11:42 < ohsix> they should use magnets on the power cord
2017-04-26T23:14:12 < ohsix> englishman: why is he only the acting fire chief
2017-04-26T23:14:17 < ohsix> what's going on in toronto?????////
2017-04-26T23:14:34 < ohsix> heh
2017-04-26T23:14:46 < ohsix> that looks like it could be an aboriginal woman
2017-04-26T23:15:13 < ohsix> could have been a political statement
2017-04-26T23:15:32 < ohsix> first nations stuff in canada is not so good
2017-04-26T23:18:28 < Steffanx> such racism ohsix.. because she has a little colour she has to be aboriginal.
2017-04-26T23:18:44 < Laurenceb_> fucking white male
2017-04-26T23:19:49 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgflip.com/1ha6nv.jpg
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2017-04-26T23:21:19 < upgrdman> in altium how do i change the thermal pad specs
2017-04-26T23:21:23 < upgrdman> like spoke size
2017-04-26T23:21:56 < gxti> design rules
2017-04-26T23:22:46 < upgrdman> ahh yes
2017-04-26T23:22:51 < upgrdman> poly connect and plane connect
2017-04-26T23:22:52 < upgrdman> thx
2017-04-26T23:32:25 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGnOn5YThg8
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2017-04-26T23:35:09 < ohsix> 14km nrf24 with 2 yagis
2017-04-26T23:35:18 < ohsix> no extra amp or switch or anything
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2017-04-26T23:36:06 < Steffanx> lies. It has a PA.
2017-04-26T23:36:11 < Steffanx> it's not a bare nrf24
2017-04-26T23:36:31 < ohsix> no u
2017-04-26T23:36:48 < ohsix> yea that might be the board with the pa on it
2017-04-26T23:37:01 < Steffanx> http://www.icstation.com/24ghz-ml01dp5-22dbm-nrf24l01ppalna-wireless-transmission-module-shield-case-p-4677.html
2017-04-26T23:37:18 < Steffanx> ( in yt desciption)
2017-04-26T23:37:34 < ohsix> k
2017-04-26T23:37:44 < Steffanx> Fuck windows, it's almost like lunix. Sleep doesnt work properly.
2017-04-26T23:38:04 < Steffanx> it immediately wakes up
2017-04-26T23:39:30 < englishman> hey upgrdman
2017-04-26T23:39:42 < upgrdman> hi
2017-04-26T23:39:44 < englishman> why do you feel compelled to hold r2com's hand as he walks down the road of life
2017-04-26T23:39:51 < englishman> meanwhile absorbing his constant abuse
2017-04-26T23:39:55 < englishman> like a spoiled child?
2017-04-26T23:40:07 < upgrdman> lol
2017-04-26T23:40:22 < upgrdman> i guess he doesnt really bother me. its fun to trigger him.
2017-04-26T23:40:37 < upgrdman> that's why i miss leeloo. i need to trigger someone at least once a day
2017-04-26T23:40:42 < gxti> because he's a real pro EE and maybe we can learn something
2017-04-26T23:41:15 < gxti> probably not though lol
2017-04-26T23:41:18 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1sets-Special-promotions-1100-meter-long-distance-NRF24L01-PA-LNA-wireless-modules-with-antenna/32341792715.html
2017-04-26T23:47:36 < Laurenceb_> what happened to leeloo?
2017-04-26T23:48:20 < ohsix> became an unperson
2017-04-26T23:48:24 < ohsix> right down the memory hole
2017-04-26T23:48:48 < ohsix> do yuo have proof this person ever existed
2017-04-26T23:50:29 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3G-Yagi-antenna-15dbi-with-RP-SMA-Plug-Female-Pin-Connector-1920-2170Mhz-Yagi-antenna-for/32344394688.html
2017-04-26T23:50:31 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-26T23:52:52 < qyx> englishman: the problem was a typo in register defeinitions
2017-04-26T23:53:09 < englishman> :D
2017-04-26T23:53:21 < englishman> what was it?
2017-04-26T23:53:41 < qyx> freqa is 0x034, 0x035, 0x036, 0x037
2017-04-26T23:53:52 < qyx> I had it 0x033, 0x034, 0x035, 0x036
2017-04-26T23:53:56 < englishman> hehe
2017-04-26T23:54:00 < qyx> Ox033 is the ranging register
2017-04-26T23:54:06 < englishman> nice.
2017-04-26T23:54:10 < qyx> so it was quite obvious that ranging failed for some frequencies
2017-04-26T23:59:37 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-4GHz-12-dBi-Compact-Yagi-Directional-Antenna-For-WiFi-For-PCI-Modem-Router-150-cm/32675050449.html tiny pcb yago
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2017-04-27T00:03:04 < ohsix> lul i think one of the gusy' in the lab here bought one of those, but from banggood for like 14
2017-04-27T00:03:29 < ohsix> bbiab
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2017-04-27T00:31:24 < ReadError> yes hello
2017-04-27T00:31:36 < ReadError> chatter of the week here
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2017-04-27T00:32:33 < englishman> dox
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2017-04-27T01:25:57 < Laurenceb_> anyone used csv in python?
2017-04-27T01:26:02 < Laurenceb_>  <- python n00b
2017-04-27T01:27:12 < upgrdman> in altium, you know how with SOT223 the tab and pin2 are shorted together by the package. how do i tell altium not to make my short them on the pcb to. e.g. for routing simplicity, i want to treat the tab and pin2 as different pins and rely on the package, not the pcb, to short them together.
2017-04-27T01:32:12 < c4017> Go to the properties of both pins and assign the same jumper ID to them
2017-04-27T01:46:55 < upgrdman> thx
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2017-04-27T02:21:05 < ohsix> upgrman turn those questions into a faq or something
2017-04-27T02:24:14 < englishman> yeah because altium sure isnt helping with these questions
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2017-04-27T02:52:17 < aandrew> sounds like a bad idea waiting to bite you in the ass
2017-04-27T02:52:25 < aandrew> oh he's gone
2017-04-27T02:54:04 < Laurenceb_> hi crt
2017-04-27T02:54:15 < Laurenceb_> we have uncovered the secret of your UK visit
2017-04-27T02:54:27 < englishman> you have to be nice to him
2017-04-27T02:54:31 < englishman> he's coming for you
2017-04-27T02:54:37 < Laurenceb_> I was facebook stalking the asian robotic service droid guy
2017-04-27T02:54:58 < Laurenceb_> he says he has an australian investor coming to test the product in person
2017-04-27T02:56:46 < Laurenceb_> sounds like a wise investment choice to me
2017-04-27T02:57:00 < Laurenceb_> makes more sense than juicero
2017-04-27T03:02:32 < TheSeven> hmm, seems like I have bricked this board
2017-04-27T03:02:50 < TheSeven> or at least screwed it up badly enough so that known-good code doesn't run on it
2017-04-27T03:03:59 < TheSeven> I suspect that the IWDG is killing the flashing operation
2017-04-27T03:04:38 < englishman> maybe juicero can be converted
2017-04-27T03:04:44 < Laurenceb_> hold shit
2017-04-27T03:04:54 < Laurenceb_> genital crusher
2017-04-27T03:04:58 < Laurenceb_> instant sex change
2017-04-27T03:05:13 < Laurenceb_> I've got it, the future of juicero
2017-04-27T03:05:37 < TheSeven> should IWDG be disabled by a system reset, if it was started by writing 0xcccc to KEYR?
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2017-04-27T04:03:13 < Laurenceb_> I finally have 0 cats
2017-04-27T04:03:18 < Laurenceb_> for the first time in ages
2017-04-27T04:03:30 < Laurenceb_> unless there are more living somewhere in my garden already...
2017-04-27T04:06:56 < upgrdman> hmmm altium sucks at printing a gerber file. anyone know of a tool thats better?
2017-04-27T04:06:59 < englishman> crt: zero cats
2017-04-27T04:07:02 < englishman> i got a turkey call
2017-04-27T04:07:08 < englishman> and for some reason they dont like it
2017-04-27T04:07:34 < upgrdman> or is there some setting. like even printing to a pdf, and it looks like shit. maybe altidongs is subsampling at like 200dpi or someshit
2017-04-27T04:16:05 < englishman> how are innovations
2017-04-27T04:16:12 < englishman> i'm finally getting good at smt
2017-04-27T04:16:14 < englishman> feeling pro
2017-04-27T04:16:37 < englishman> it's been 6 months, should be pro by now anyway
2017-04-27T04:29:11 < upgrdman> o nm, if instead of printing the gerbers i just print the pcb layers, then altium prints fine
2017-04-27T04:29:22 < upgrdman> guess their gerber viewer/printer is cuck'd
2017-04-27T04:42:03 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/ab3238922b/13914.jpg
2017-04-27T04:43:35 < aandrew> hah
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2017-04-27T05:35:52 < ReadError> crt:
2017-04-27T05:35:54 < ReadError> ascii
2017-04-27T06:04:15 < englishman> crt music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqCyTM1bF6Q
2017-04-27T06:23:28 < upgrdman> ideal use case for a mechanical keyboard   http://i.imgur.com/IXV6RMk.jpg
2017-04-27T06:27:10 < dongs> haha WHAT
2017-04-27T06:27:15 < dongs> the $99 board came in a HUGE BOX
2017-04-27T06:27:33 < dongs>  70x35cm
2017-04-27T06:27:34 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-04-27T06:27:36 < dongs> is in it
2017-04-27T06:28:20 < dongs> ok thats the outer digikey box size
2017-04-27T06:28:32 < dongs> board box is 42x26
2017-04-27T06:29:04 < dongs> another box inside
2017-04-27T06:29:12 < dongs> 37x22
2017-04-27T06:59:11 < ABLomas> :D
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2017-04-27T07:05:29 < dongs> unboxing of unboxing
2017-04-27T07:15:43 < TheSeven> hmm, I'm wondering if that insane voltage stability of CR2032 across their discharge curve is a good thing or not
2017-04-27T07:17:09 < TheSeven> I have a CR2032 here that has a short circuit current of 15µA - yet it keeps the STM32's backup SRAM alive quite happily and sampling its voltage with the ADC results in a reading of 3.268V
2017-04-27T07:17:34 < TheSeven> it's probably almost depleted though, we'll see how long it will continue to work ;)
2017-04-27T07:17:34 < dongs> yes
2017-04-27T07:18:33 < TheSeven> there must be some kind of surface charge effect or something - sampling it with the ADC is supposed to drain ~65µA, WAY above the *short circuit* current read by a multimeter
2017-04-27T07:19:06 < dongs> 65▒A]
2017-04-27T07:19:10 < dongs> what are these faggot units
2017-04-27T07:19:13 < dongs> my screen is not showing them
2017-04-27T07:19:14 < dongs> ua?
2017-04-27T07:19:15 < dongs> ma?
2017-04-27T07:19:16 < dongs> pa?
2017-04-27T07:19:19 < TheSeven> ua
2017-04-27T07:19:27 < TheSeven> the only thing that has a special symbol ;)
2017-04-27T07:19:48 < dongs> figured
2017-04-27T07:20:06 < TheSeven> whatever client can't handle that...
2017-04-27T07:28:50 < upgrdman> lol.. the ending  https://youtu.be/a9oUq4twMVY?t=90
2017-04-27T07:29:08 < englishman> working fine on my non-jappu box
2017-04-27T07:30:06 < englishman> short circuit current of 15uA.... wow
2017-04-27T07:30:39 < englishman> then again, if using a dmm, lol
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2017-04-27T07:39:26 < ohsix> boo
2017-04-27T07:39:34 < ohsix> one of the things i volunteered for has been postponed
2017-04-27T07:40:06 < ohsix> so much shit is postponed olol; people are doing shit all the time and there isn't enough interest or participants that heard about it before it happened
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2017-04-27T08:04:23 < ohsix> are they integrated modules?
2017-04-27T08:04:40 < ohsix> a while back i saw a video of people repairing integrated stepper modules
2017-04-27T08:04:46 < ohsix> like drilling where the failure is, patching it up
2017-04-27T08:05:03 < ohsix> how do the pascal things fail?
2017-04-27T08:05:25 < ohsix> once the shit gets super old there's $$$$ in reverse engineering & providing replacements
2017-04-27T08:05:29 < ohsix> you got a handful of busted ones?
2017-04-27T08:05:51 < ohsix> i might be interested in looking at a few :p
2017-04-27T08:06:13 < ohsix> i've got most of the equipment to do that sort of reverse engineering
2017-04-27T08:06:55 < ohsix> the small junk usually isn't
2017-04-27T08:09:44 < ohsix> what's the value of these types of repairs, is rebuilding speakers worth it?
2017-04-27T08:10:21 < ohsix> i get it vs. 700$ replacemetn cost, but how in love are people with the things
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2017-04-27T08:12:13 < ohsix> looking for pix of this pascal thing and failing
2017-04-27T08:15:38 < ohsix> what amp is it in
2017-04-27T08:15:50 < ohsix> i'm not in the loop on audio junk
2017-04-27T08:18:20 < ohsix> google sux, just wants to show me a shitty projector
2017-04-27T08:28:05 < ohsix> lul http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6518391/
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2017-04-27T08:39:05 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/tropicrot/status/856905345494523904
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2017-04-27T08:52:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mpsfyOy.jpg < digikey box
2017-04-27T08:56:39 < ohsix> h3h 25th anniversary version of night trap on the ps4
2017-04-27T08:56:45 < ohsix> has video you can actually see
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2017-04-27T09:13:29 < dongs> bloggin
2017-04-27T09:14:49 < ohsix> oh shit
2017-04-27T09:15:05 < ohsix> used gnome shells multi desktop stuff to take a screenshot without other windows, and it is actually awesome
2017-04-27T09:15:33 < ohsix> haha wonder how it interacts with multi screen shit, this will be great for presentations
2017-04-27T09:18:30 < ohsix> i want a hack that gets the windows on that desktop and tries to calculate how much that desktop's applications are using, so i can stay on top of shit
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2017-04-27T10:09:40 < jadew> I think NASA would win all radio contests
2017-04-27T10:09:50 < jadew> 15 billion killometers with 20 W
2017-04-27T10:10:31 < jadew> (watching EEVBlog's videos on the Voyager probes)
2017-04-27T10:11:44 < jadew> he interviewed an operator at a NASA radio telescope
2017-04-27T10:11:59 < jadew> and has footage from the inside, with the guy explaining stuff
2017-04-27T10:12:08 < jadew> in technical detail
2017-04-27T10:12:23 < jadew> lol
2017-04-27T10:13:26 < jadew> actually, I don't think it's a radio telescope, they're called a deep space communication complex
2017-04-27T10:13:31 < jadew> so probably just for talking to ships
2017-04-27T10:13:53 < Thorn> what board is that
2017-04-27T10:44:26 < dongs>  jadew> (watching EEVBlog'
2017-04-27T10:44:29 < dongs> stopped reading after that
2017-04-27T10:45:17 < jadew> it's a great interview with lots of technical details
2017-04-27T10:45:28 < jadew> I don't think there's anything like it out there, on these stuff
2017-04-27T10:45:29 < dongs> does it have anything to do with EE
2017-04-27T10:45:43 < jadew> yeah, lots of RF stuff
2017-04-27T10:46:12 < jadew> how the antenna works and the challenges they have
2017-04-27T10:47:02 < dongs> well it might have been a really interesting interview
2017-04-27T10:47:05 < dongs> until eevbeg showed up
2017-04-27T10:47:29 < dongs> mate how do i blog
2017-04-27T10:59:56 < PeterM> gotta watch his videos on 3x speed
2017-04-27T11:02:21 < jadew> if anyone is wondering, this is the first video of the series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzRP1qdwPKw
2017-04-27T11:02:26 < jadew> it's a 3 part thing
2017-04-27T11:06:13 < dongs> ya no
2017-04-27T11:06:43 < ohsix> the new eevjunk is neat, rough af cuz he's new; but the interviews and stuff already show promisssssse
2017-04-27T11:07:04 < ohsix> i saw a thing that made me feel dumb, someone using an air matress inflator blower to blow dust out of something
2017-04-27T11:07:36 < ohsix> i've gone without cuz the cans are expensive, and the compressor isn't always hooked up lul; but i've always had one of those laying around :[
2017-04-27T11:09:25 < ohsix> there are some cute AC leaf blowers too, olol
2017-04-27T11:09:35 < ohsix> taper to tiny nozzle and blast on some fools
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2017-04-27T11:32:59 < upgrdman> dongs, what lattice goodies did you get from dk
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2017-04-27T11:42:07 < dongs> ecp5 board for 99$
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2017-04-27T11:47:54 < upgrdman> nice
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2017-04-27T12:11:01 < Steffanx> Stvvn.
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2017-04-27T12:23:32 < Thorn> what does 12dBi mean in terms of range? is it 4x relative to 0dBi (+6dB = 2x range)?
2017-04-27T12:24:27 < mtbg> it is 16x the power of 0dBi
2017-04-27T12:24:34 < mtbg> power density
2017-04-27T12:24:50 < mtbg> and since power density drops with square of the distance
2017-04-27T12:25:09 < mtbg> it is the same at 4x the distance compared to 0dBi
2017-04-27T12:30:41 < zyp> in other words, yes
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2017-04-27T12:39:57 < Thorn> makes sense, thanks
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2017-04-27T12:42:39 < zyp> that is, of course, assuming that the bottleneck for the range is the signal strength/snr
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2017-04-27T12:57:30 < Thorn> We also carry infrared emitters with wavelength up to 940 m. Forward voltage can range from 800 mV to 5 kV.
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2017-04-27T13:03:44 < zyp> 940 _meters_?
2017-04-27T13:05:13 < Thorn> and 5 kilovolts
2017-04-27T13:06:09 < Thorn> (although the latter is theoretically possible with a shit ton of leds in series)
2017-04-27T13:06:20 < Ultrasauce> well that's definitely infra-red
2017-04-27T13:29:48 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/27/apple_lawyers/ haha
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2017-04-27T14:18:27 < Steffanx> Boring.
2017-04-27T14:37:02 < kakimir> at some point of coding I start sweating a lot
2017-04-27T14:40:56 < kakimir> are you reflecting your own insecurities crt?
2017-04-27T14:42:52 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L2QjmSV2ps music times
2017-04-27T14:46:11 < Thorn> looks like I have to move my whole usb driver into header files
2017-04-27T14:46:17 < Thorn> fuck c++
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2017-04-27T14:47:34 < zyp> Thorn, why? templates?
2017-04-27T14:47:35 < kakimir> ##pedo32
2017-04-27T14:49:51 < Thorn> templates
2017-04-27T14:50:27 < Thorn> what's more, I probably need 2 header files per class, one with class declaration, another with out-of-class function definitions
2017-04-27T14:50:41 < Thorn> otherwise I'm going to get circular dependencies
2017-04-27T14:50:54 < zyp> wtf, why?
2017-04-27T14:51:03 < zyp> that doesn't make any sense
2017-04-27T14:53:03 < Thorn> class Device has a member object of the class Dispatcher and calls its methods. class Dispatcher uses some data members from Device (it's actually a friend)
2017-04-27T14:54:08 < jpa-> some languages are nice in that they make bad design decisions very apparent
2017-04-27T14:54:12 < Thorn> if you try to implement Dispatcher methods inside class Dispatcher {  } you have to #include "device.h" and Device needs to #include "dispatcher.h" so that you can use it as a member variable in Device
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2017-04-27T14:56:00 < zyp> oh, right, you're mixing forward declarations and templates
2017-04-27T14:56:05 < Thorn> I could move all the functionality into the Device but I don't like that decision, it would make Device huge and a kitchen sink of different stuff
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2017-04-27T15:00:14 < Thorn> if there is a better design I'd like to know about it
2017-04-27T15:00:28 < zyp> declare the entire Dispatcher inside the device class?
2017-04-27T15:02:55 < TheSeven> oh I also have a C++ issue
2017-04-27T15:03:18 < TheSeven> I'd really like to keep a ton of hardware drivers, implemented as classes, allocated statically
2017-04-27T15:03:22 < Thorn> that could work
2017-04-27T15:03:32 < Steffanx> C++ Related Trip much, CRT?
2017-04-27T15:04:01 < TheSeven> but I want to control when their constructors will run, as they initialize the hardware, and I want to control the order of that etc.
2017-04-27T15:04:17 < Steffanx> Hi stvvn.
2017-04-27T15:04:29 < TheSeven> sure, I could move everything from the constructors to an init() method, but that's messy as well
2017-04-27T15:05:04 < zyp> TheSeven, why allocated statically?
2017-04-27T15:05:11 < Thorn> c++ has no elaboration order unlike ada
2017-04-27T15:05:56 < zyp> well you can mess around with the constructor priority attribute stuff, but that's not very elegant
2017-04-27T15:06:00 < TheSeven> where else should I allocate that stuff? I don't want to use a heap, and on the stack is a mess as well
2017-04-27T15:06:48 < zyp> TheSeven, make a simple allocate only allocator that you feed to placement new?
2017-04-27T15:08:23 < TheSeven> hm I'd guess that stuff having addresses known at compile time would help the optimizer quite a bit
2017-04-27T15:09:47 < zyp> or you could do some shit like #define alloc_for_class(buf_name, type) uint8_t buf_name[sizeof(type)]; then feed the addr of that to placement new
2017-04-27T15:11:08 < jadew> or you can just have an init method
2017-04-27T15:11:14 < jadew> why is that messy?
2017-04-27T15:11:21 < zyp> yeah
2017-04-27T15:11:22 < TheSeven> ends up being effectively quite similar to giving everything a default constructor that does nothing, and moving init to an init method
2017-04-27T15:11:39 < zyp> init methods are what I do
2017-04-27T15:11:44 < jadew> that's what you want to do anyway, isn't it?
2017-04-27T15:12:05 < zyp> I use constructors for initializing internal state and separate init() methods for stuff that requires sequencing
2017-04-27T15:12:20 < TheSeven> in many cases it can be quite convenient for stuff to magically initialize itself, so that you can't forget to call init (or do it too late, multiple times, whatever)
2017-04-27T15:12:22 < jadew> yeah
2017-04-27T15:12:47 < zyp> TheSeven, you're making conflicting arguments :)
2017-04-27T15:12:58 < jadew> TheSeven, well, you can call initi magically, in the same way you're going to call new :)
2017-04-27T15:13:12 < zyp> you want stuff to initialize themselves so you don't forget, but you want to control when it happens...
2017-04-27T15:13:27 < jadew> ^
2017-04-27T15:13:35 < TheSeven> I want to *be able* to control when it happens - but not *have to* do it ;)
2017-04-27T15:13:52 < jadew> ok, I know what you need
2017-04-27T15:14:02 < Thorn> there is Class::operator new too
2017-04-27T15:14:17 < jadew> static objects with init() + smart wrapper that calls init once
2017-04-27T15:14:32 < zyp> then you need a bool initialized; flag in the class that gets checked by every other function and calls init() if false
2017-04-27T15:14:43 < TheSeven> jadew: indeed, that's a brilliant idea
2017-04-27T15:15:01 < jadew> so you'll have MyWrapper<my_static_object> my_wrapper;
2017-04-27T15:15:08 < jadew> then you do my_wrapper->stuff
2017-04-27T15:15:21 < TheSeven> nah
2017-04-27T15:15:53 < TheSeven> probably just a SomethingNoInit class and a Something class that extends it and calls init in its constructor
2017-04-27T15:16:25 < TheSeven> that also makes it somewhat explicit where you need to call init yourself
2017-04-27T15:17:09 < zyp> hmm
2017-04-27T15:17:53 < TheSeven> no additional indirection, compatible object types (due to inheritance)
2017-04-27T15:18:01 < zyp> looking at my own code, I'm actually assuming that stuff gets constructed in the order it's declared, and I'm getting away with it since everything is one translation unit
2017-04-27T15:18:33 < zyp> so you can do that if that's an acceptable restriction
2017-04-27T15:18:45 < TheSeven> that's basically what happens in my current code as well, but it's starting to get messy as soon as some kind of configuration loaded from flash etc. is involved
2017-04-27T15:18:48 < jadew> TheSeven, there are better patterns if you want to do it that way
2017-04-27T15:18:50 < zyp> it's only between translation units that the order is undefined
2017-04-27T15:19:04 < TheSeven> where you really want to call a couple of functions before the rest of the construction happens
2017-04-27T15:19:12 < jadew> just make init() private and do a static getInstance()
2017-04-27T15:19:15 < jadew> it's the same thing
2017-04-27T15:19:29 < TheSeven> jadew: but that would be a singleton then?
2017-04-27T15:19:31 < zyp> singleton pattern
2017-04-27T15:19:32 < zyp> yeah
2017-04-27T15:19:34 < jadew> yeah
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2017-04-27T15:19:45 < TheSeven> I might have multiple instances of some of that stuff
2017-04-27T15:20:34 < TheSeven> I'm currently pondering if a subclass that calls init in the constructor, or a constructor that accepts an argument whether it should call init, is the better solution
2017-04-27T15:20:34 < jadew> well, then you still don't need that extra class that you have to initialize all the time
2017-04-27T15:20:35 < zyp> I'd probably just switch to a simple allocator and placement new if I needed something more robust than what I'm currently doing
2017-04-27T15:20:45 < jadew> just call init() whenever you need it, but that IS messy
2017-04-27T15:20:48 < zyp> instead of doing a lot of other shit
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2017-04-27T15:21:31 < zyp> wrappers and stuff just sounds messy
2017-04-27T15:21:56 < TheSeven> that allocator thing has its own set of problems, e.g. alignment constraints
2017-04-27T15:22:27 < Thorn> btw your init() should first check if all dependencies are initialized
2017-04-27T15:23:08 < TheSeven> I just switched to a new gcc5 toolchain just to find out that the stupid thing starts to assume everything to be misaligned, causing lots of useless byte accesses, which broke hardware reg access in a lot of places
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2017-04-27T15:24:46 < jadew> richard voldemort stallman?
2017-04-27T15:25:21 < jadew> the freedom to work for free
2017-04-27T15:28:59 < jadew> ohsix, was googling about opensource devs and found your crush: http://cdn.makery.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/v2sexycyborg-1024x512.jpg
2017-04-27T15:29:24 < jadew> and lol @ the expression on the chick in the background
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2017-04-27T15:39:32 < PaulFertser> https://www.quora.com/Is-Richard-Stallman-married
2017-04-27T15:41:09 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskq3-lpQnE&t=2m7s
2017-04-27T15:42:02 < kakimir> the hottest open source community bachelor
2017-04-27T15:44:00 < jadew> in his own words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskq3-lpQnE&t=4m21s
2017-04-27T16:04:18 < Steffanx> Who crt?
2017-04-27T16:05:34 < kakimir> what then when the originals such as stallman are no more?
2017-04-27T16:06:12 < kakimir> we get the techno dystopia we have been waiting for?
2017-04-27T16:09:22 < kakimir> Laurenceb: are you interested in aircraft design?
2017-04-27T16:09:35 < kakimir> meaning fixed wing
2017-04-27T16:12:51 < kakimir> In C can I give a variable multiple names?
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2017-04-27T16:13:07 < kakimir> if I need to say abbrevatition of the variable
2017-04-27T16:13:18 < kakimir> and also the long name
2017-04-27T16:13:35 < BrainDamage> no, but you can copy the memory address and have another variable point to it
2017-04-27T16:14:36 < kakimir> hmm
2017-04-27T16:14:42 < kakimir> yes
2017-04-27T16:15:17 < kakimir> that is the only way
2017-04-27T16:16:53 < kakimir> *right way
2017-04-27T16:17:06 < kakimir> stuff like macro for that would be nasty
2017-04-27T16:29:18 < kakimir> I think average variable name lenght is 20characters
2017-04-27T16:30:22 < kakimir> I try to fully describe first the part of code and fucntionality the variable is part of and then its use all in the variable name
2017-04-27T16:32:12 < kakimir> but if the variable is used constantly inside some function having 30char variable name fills the screen pretty quick
2017-04-27T16:32:58 < jadew> lol kakimir
2017-04-27T16:33:48 < kakimir> average line of code with comments is atm. something like 200char
2017-04-27T16:33:54 < kakimir> no joke
2017-04-27T16:34:06 < kakimir> comments are serious business
2017-04-27T16:34:19 < jadew> is that your code?
2017-04-27T16:34:49 < jadew> can you fit 200 characters on the screen?
2017-04-27T16:35:04 < kakimir> longest line seems to be 500char
2017-04-27T16:35:25 < kakimir> jadew: no 160
2017-04-27T16:36:06 < jadew> is it your code? if yes, then it's time you fix this in your coding style
2017-04-27T16:36:14 < kakimir> yes
2017-04-27T16:36:19 < kakimir> no
2017-04-27T16:37:16 < jadew> yes your code, no - won't fix it?
2017-04-27T16:37:45 < kakimir> yes my code
2017-04-27T16:38:14 < jadew> does it not bother you that you have to scroll horizontally to read it?
2017-04-27T16:38:42 < kakimir> hmm
2017-04-27T16:38:51 < kakimir> better get thumb wheel working
2017-04-27T16:38:56 < jadew> haha
2017-04-27T16:39:17 < kakimir> I don't really read it unless there is a problem
2017-04-27T16:41:14 < kakimir> only thing that bothers me that its hard to keep starting line of the comments in coherence as there can be 10char line of code and 150char line of code
2017-04-27T16:41:24 < kakimir> plus identations for structures
2017-04-27T16:41:37 < Steffanx> Lol stop caring?
2017-04-27T16:41:59 < Steffanx> Blaxter (2017) says: "Why bother"
2017-04-27T16:42:08 < kakimir> yes
2017-04-27T16:42:13 < jadew> well, aligning comments is always a PITA
2017-04-27T16:42:21 < jadew> if you can align them, fine
2017-04-27T16:42:24 < jadew> if not, don't
2017-04-27T16:42:40 < jadew> whatever seemes easier to read
2017-04-27T16:43:02 < jadew> if you move a comment 50 characters from the end of the line, that's not easy to read
2017-04-27T16:43:09 < jadew> even if it's aesthetically pleasing
2017-04-27T16:45:43 < kakimir> hmm codings are workin today
2017-04-27T16:46:45 < kakimir> yesterday I got almost panic attack + depression status of it and finally I climb the wall
2017-04-27T16:54:15 < kakimir> broke the routine and took a shower and went to see a friend for a nightover watching movie and eating fatty foods
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2017-04-27T17:36:31 < Steffanx> You take coding way too serious kakimir
2017-04-27T17:37:00 < Steffanx> Its not a gun to your head that fires when you do something wrong.
2017-04-27T17:41:44 < kakimir> I need to get at least something right
2017-04-27T17:42:08 < kakimir> be it coding or something else
2017-04-27T17:42:29 < kakimir> it is the formula of success
2017-04-27T17:43:00 < Steffanx> What is success?
2017-04-27T17:43:33 < kakimir> I wouldn't know
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2017-04-27T17:47:08 < BrainDamage> C20H25N3O the formula of success?
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2017-04-27T17:50:27 < kakimir> I wouldn't say it is
2017-04-27T17:54:48 < Rickta59> have you thought about using an 7pt font so you can fit it all on the screen kakimir ?
2017-04-27T17:55:23 < kakimir> I should get those bend screens
2017-04-27T17:56:05 < kakimir> or just move from my 13.3" flatbook to work station with 2screens
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2017-04-27T18:06:20 < englishman> what if you are coding gun software Steffanx.
2017-04-27T18:14:13 < branjb> or icbm control software
2017-04-27T18:14:33  * karlp grins at BrainDamage 
2017-04-27T18:14:34 < branjb> it's nbd we can debug it on the next launch
2017-04-27T18:35:47 < Steffanx> BrainDamage: -_-
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2017-04-27T18:51:41 < Thorn> did you know you can't call virtual functions from a constructor
2017-04-27T19:14:03 < zyp> you can't?
2017-04-27T19:14:23 < zyp> because child constructor haven't ran yet by the time parent constructor runs?
2017-04-27T19:18:11 < zyp> hum, interesting
2017-04-27T19:18:52 < Thorn> https://isocpp.org/wiki/faq/strange-inheritance#calling-virtuals-from-ctors
2017-04-27T19:18:54 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/65vL4 <- this builds and runs, but prints Parent::foo()
2017-04-27T19:19:07 < zyp> making Parent::foo a pure virtual errors out
2017-04-27T19:19:30 < Thorn> c++ should be ITAR controlled, under the landmine category
2017-04-27T19:20:03 < zyp> oh, wait, no, it still builds and runs
2017-04-27T19:20:20 < zyp> warns during build and traps when it runs though
2017-04-27T19:20:38 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/V4UrR
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2017-04-27T19:51:15 < kakimir> is it okay practice to write a function that has purpose to be only thing called inside a particular interrupt service routine
2017-04-27T19:51:48 < branjb> it is if you're using HAL!
2017-04-27T19:52:08 < kakimir> void nanosecond_clock_interrupt_routine(void);
2017-04-27T19:58:44 < kakimir> one clock cycle on this system takes more nanoseconds I thought
2017-04-27T19:59:14 < kakimir> 13point something
2017-04-27T19:59:31 < kakimir> I thought it was one point something
2017-04-27T20:00:30 < kakimir> this changes everything
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2017-04-27T20:06:13 < kakimir> I probs should rename this system
2017-04-27T20:06:43 < kakimir> something like.. decinanosecondsystem or centinanosecondsystem
2017-04-27T20:07:21 < BrainDamage> how about just timer and tick
2017-04-27T20:10:13 < kakimir> hey I just figured my system doesn't fit purpose it was made for
2017-04-27T20:10:17 < kakimir> let me finish it
2017-04-27T20:10:35 < kakimir> literally writing the last two or so functions
2017-04-27T20:15:34 < kakimir> last two hundred lines of code god damnit
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2017-04-27T20:19:53 < kakimir> hey guise what was the pdf reader you guise recommended?
2017-04-27T20:21:41 < kakimir> sumatra pdf seems to be
2017-04-27T20:21:42 < upgrdman> sumatrapdf pisses me off the least
2017-04-27T20:23:26 < englishman> adobe 11
2017-04-27T20:24:05 < kakimir> dc?
2017-04-27T20:24:13 < englishman> no
2017-04-27T20:24:38 < kakimir> what is this DC bull..?
2017-04-27T20:24:45 < englishman> lol
2017-04-27T20:24:53 < englishman> amd gfx drivers install ads on your desktop
2017-04-27T20:25:31 < kakimir> why 11 no dc englishman ?
2017-04-27T20:25:42 < englishman> dc is garbage
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2017-04-27T20:25:56 < englishman> its huge web69.0 crap with immense amounts of whitespace
2017-04-27T20:26:08 < englishman> like a pdf reader made by google or something
2017-04-27T20:26:23 < kakimir> and are they smoking crack to distort their product space such way?
2017-04-27T20:26:28 < englishman> well yea
2017-04-27T20:26:30 < englishman> its adobe
2017-04-27T20:26:45 < englishman> their only goal is to find out to what length they can abuse their customers before losing money
2017-04-27T20:26:49 < kakimir> dc comes as first google result
2017-04-27T20:27:43 < kakimir> 11 comes as some zip filled with install files
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2017-04-27T20:28:53 < kakimir> 11 wont install because system already has "more extended product"
2017-04-27T20:31:31 < englishman> http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
2017-04-27T20:31:33 < englishman> hehe
2017-04-27T20:31:48 < karlp> is that the "toggle a gpio with a logn bit of wire on it" thing?
2017-04-27T20:31:54 < englishman> yes
2017-04-27T20:32:06 < kakimir> vga videocard is even better FM transmitter
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2017-04-27T20:32:42 < kakimir> http://bk.gnarf.org/creativity/vgasig/vgasig.pdf
2017-04-27T20:35:54 < Rob235> Grrr, why doesn't edx-dl work anymore?
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2017-04-27T21:51:19 < Rob235> Dick Pump?
2017-04-27T21:51:49 < zyp> no thanks
2017-04-27T21:52:29 < Rob235> If its not a link dump, or trump... what is it? (topic)
2017-04-27T21:52:56 < Steffanx> Social work group.
2017-04-27T21:53:08 < Rob235> :)
2017-04-27T21:53:08 < BrainDamage> group therapy
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2017-04-27T21:59:45 < Steffanx> So how is your day Rob235?
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2017-04-27T22:07:24 < Rob235> First good day in a while, even have my drone out to work on it, how about you?
2017-04-27T22:14:51 < Steffanx> went to redo some of hte laminate on the floor because it was damaged. Bought the same one, but in the end it turned out to be the same product, but still different -_-
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2017-04-27T22:17:37 < kakimir> recommend movies
2017-04-27T22:19:01 < englishman> the fast and the furious tokyo drift
2017-04-27T22:20:10 < BrainDamage> interstellar for 3/4 of the length
2017-04-27T22:20:25 < englishman> the chronicles of riddick
2017-04-27T22:21:19 < englishman> Canadian Bacon (1995)
2017-04-27T22:23:00 < Steffanx> At least start with Ptich Black then.. englishman
2017-04-27T22:23:40 < Steffanx> i mean englishman
2017-04-27T22:23:42 < Steffanx> i mean kakimir
2017-04-27T22:24:35 < Steffanx> kakimir, in my experience you have to me more specific. What kind of movie are you looking for?
2017-04-27T22:24:47 < Steffanx> How old? How new?
2017-04-27T22:24:56 < Steffanx> Main stream or not mainstream
2017-04-27T22:25:04 < kakimir> scifi fantacy spy movie
2017-04-27T22:25:30 < Steffanx> Then Men in Black isn the only option?
2017-04-27T22:25:41 < kakimir> no men in black
2017-04-27T22:25:41 < Steffanx> no those are not really spies
2017-04-27T22:26:54 < Rob235> Steffanx: Why was it different? color or pattern
2017-04-27T22:27:04 < englishman> im going to have to make an [Unboxing] album for this shipment from ARROW
2017-04-27T22:27:17 < Steffanx> The way you connect them, not sure how its supposed to be called in proper english Rob235.
2017-04-27T22:29:10 < englishman> http://imgur.com/a/bKp8q
2017-04-27T22:29:40 < Steffanx> Looks good to me englishman.
2017-04-27T22:29:51 < englishman> you know what looks good
2017-04-27T22:29:59 < englishman> this matte black soldermask + silver plating
2017-04-27T22:30:04 < Steffanx> pics.
2017-04-27T22:30:28 < englishman> wouldnt do it justice
2017-04-27T22:32:11 < Rob235> ahh I see
2017-04-27T22:33:48 < Steffanx> And another dimension to the photo, maybe that helps englishman
2017-04-27T22:38:09 < Steffanx> *add
2017-04-27T22:46:16 < BrainDamage> kakimir: strange days, but the scifi part is rather limited
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2017-04-27T22:49:54 < kakimir> 95 movie looking like it was from 80s
2017-04-27T22:50:02 < kakimir> or is it just the trailers
2017-04-27T22:50:56 < BrainDamage> nope, that was the style of the movie
2017-04-27T22:51:49 < BrainDamage> just fire up the synthwave and enjoy
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2017-04-27T22:55:46 < kakimir> casino royale 11,99euros youtube wtf..
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2017-04-27T22:56:27 < BrainDamage> casino royale is pretty good, but unlike the other bond movies you won't see any scifi part
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2017-04-27T22:57:36 < englishman> thats why casino royale is the best bond movie
2017-04-27T22:57:56 < kakimir> I feel I need to see it again
2017-04-27T22:58:31 < BrainDamage> englishman: I agree, a solid plot and no magic fuckery, just skills from the character
2017-04-27T22:58:32 < kakimir> fact there was almost 0 gadget stuff going on made me unhappy when I saw it first time
2017-04-27T22:58:57 < englishman> yeah well desmond llewelyn died
2017-04-27T22:59:02 < englishman> and is irreplaceable
2017-04-27T22:59:35 < etharooni> aight y'all.  question time.
2017-04-27T22:59:37 < etharooni> I'm trying to get my stm32f407 to output serial, but for some reason the baud rate appears to be ~3x slower than requested (9600 baud).  Assuming a prescaler is set incorrectly.  How does this work?
2017-04-27T23:00:18 < englishman> post code?
2017-04-27T23:00:30 < kakimir> do you guise pay for your movies?
2017-04-27T23:00:41 < etharooni> Sure.  I'll copy the useful bits
2017-04-27T23:00:44 < kakimir> and 12euros for 11years old movie?
2017-04-27T23:01:07 < kakimir> for one view
2017-04-27T23:01:19 < etharooni> https://pastebin.com/ppFBdbPR
2017-04-27T23:02:04 < etharooni> I'm just using the tx and rx lines on an ftdi
2017-04-27T23:02:27 < englishman> have you set up the st's clocl?
2017-04-27T23:02:31 < englishman> HSE, etc
2017-04-27T23:02:38 < etharooni> Nope guess not.
2017-04-27T23:02:42 < etharooni> tell me more
2017-04-27T23:02:48 < englishman> kind of important stuff
2017-04-27T23:02:53 < englishman> stdperiphlib right
2017-04-27T23:03:09 < etharooni> yep
2017-04-27T23:03:33 < englishman> with external crystal?
2017-04-27T23:03:48 < etharooni> My pwm has been outputting speeds consistent with what I was expecting
2017-04-27T23:03:53 < etharooni> and yeah its a discovery board
2017-04-27T23:03:56 < etharooni> stm32f4
2017-04-27T23:06:21 < englishman> well i dont remember much about stdperiphlib clocks, i think its in systeminit()?
2017-04-27T23:06:24 < etharooni> It does call systemInit() from st's libraries (system_stm32f4xx)
2017-04-27T23:06:32 < englishman> where you set up st's various clocks
2017-04-27T23:08:02 < etharooni> thanks!
2017-04-27T23:08:15 < etharooni> I'll poke around
2017-04-27T23:13:42 < etharooni> Hmm everything appears to be consistent - hse, pll_m.  Do you happen to know the relevent clock?
2017-04-27T23:17:07 < englishman> you can check if your uart is apb1 or apb2 in the RCC register section of the RM
2017-04-27T23:17:48 < etharooni> It's apb1 i'm pretty sure
2017-04-27T23:18:04 < englishman> looks like uarts 2-5 are apb1, uarts 1&6 are apb2
2017-04-27T23:18:20 < englishman> have you actually looked at the uart outoput?
2017-04-27T23:18:28 < englishman> with a scope / logic analuzer
2017-04-27T23:18:32 < etharooni> yeah.  It works if it's 3x slower
2017-04-27T23:18:38 < etharooni> Oh not with a scope
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2017-04-27T23:28:03 < etharooni> damn laptop died and missed whatever anyone said
2017-04-27T23:31:42 < BrainDamage> you missed nothing
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2017-04-27T23:32:47 < etharooni> aw well
2017-04-27T23:36:14 < Rob235> its an f4 disco? are you trying to run it at full speed (168MHz)?
2017-04-27T23:37:34 < Laurenceb_> you missed le epin trawlin
2017-04-27T23:37:49 < Rob235> etharooni: you here?
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2017-04-27T23:39:19 < Rob235> if both those answers are yes, you can take a look at my clock_config(): https://github.com/RJFeddeler/DexterFlightController/blob/master/src/clocks.c
2017-04-27T23:43:32 < etharooni> Oh okay awesome.  yeah it's an f4 disco.  I just measured with a scope - 1 bit is 325uS instead of 104 for 9600 baud
2017-04-27T23:44:15 < etharooni> trying your clock config now
2017-04-27T23:44:16 < Rob235> and make sure your PLLs are set correctly, mine werent when I started this project but here are the ones that work: https://github.com/RJFeddeler/DexterFlightController/blob/master/lib/cmsis_boot/system_stm32f4xx.c
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2017-04-27T23:45:17 < etharooni> Well i have the same 4 pll values
2017-04-27T23:45:36 < Rob235> ok then you probably dont have to change anything in that file
2017-04-27T23:45:49 < Rob235> try the config() though and see what happens
2017-04-27T23:46:40 < etharooni> cool thanks.  Let's see what happens
2017-04-27T23:46:42 < Steffanx> You can always watch the new Logan movie while you're at it, kakimir
2017-04-27T23:52:34 < Laurenceb_> oh shit its happening
2017-04-27T23:53:01 < Laurenceb_> periscope.tv/w/1vAGRboXQayGl
2017-04-27T23:54:40 < etharooni> well i run clocks_clock_config() at the beginning of my code and baud rate is still the same
2017-04-27T23:55:09 < Rob235> what uart are you using?
2017-04-27T23:55:16 < etharooni> usart3
2017-04-27T23:59:11 < Rob235> This is usart2 but.. are you setting it up like this (config())? https://github.com/RJFeddeler/DexterFlightController/blob/master/src/neom8n.c
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2017-04-28T00:00:41 < etharooni> pretty much.  My code is here: https://pastebin.com/ppFBdbPR
2017-04-28T00:01:01 < Laurenceb_> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=618_1493323305
2017-04-28T00:01:08 < Laurenceb_> fight, fight, fight , fight
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2017-04-28T00:01:21 < kakimir> new alien movie looks great
2017-04-28T00:01:23 < Laurenceb_> I wanna see retards beating each other
2017-04-28T00:01:46 < Rob235> for pd9 your mode is wrong
2017-04-28T00:01:50 < Laurenceb_> looks lame atm
2017-04-28T00:02:13 < Laurenceb_> what potatoface said
2017-04-28T00:03:08 < Rob235> have you tested both input and output and they both are wrong?
2017-04-28T00:03:47 < kakimir> where have you been Laurenceb_ ?
2017-04-28T00:03:47 < etharooni> I haven't tested input
2017-04-28T00:04:00 < etharooni> pd9 mode is wrong?
2017-04-28T00:04:11 < Rob235> I always set both to AF
2017-04-28T00:04:12 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: working in the 3d world
2017-04-28T00:04:23 < Laurenceb_> I said "hello 3d waifu" to some grrrls
2017-04-28T00:04:45 < Rob235> you have pd9 set to input, maybe it still works that way, not sure, but if you are setting an alternate function then I'd stick to that mode
2017-04-28T00:05:18 < etharooni> Makes sense.  So separate bug i guess haha
2017-04-28T00:07:23 < etharooni> I haven't messed with rx anything yet
2017-04-28T00:07:27 < Rob235> maybe go back to the system_stm32f4xx.c and make sure everything matches, maybe it wasn't the PLL that was wrong, other than that I'm not sure. It's hard to check without seeing the scope or serial output.
2017-04-28T00:07:27 < Laurenceb_> apparently the riot is scheduled for 15 minutes past
2017-04-28T00:09:51 < ohsix> https://www.npmjs.com/package/alex
2017-04-28T00:10:25 < ohsix> jadew: lul don't actually like her at all but she's constantly putting her finger in the eyes of make magazine and the raspberry pi foundation
2017-04-28T00:11:03 < ohsix> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wooorm/alex/master/screenshot.png
2017-04-28T00:14:00 < ohsix> kakimir: why do you want to reference it by multiple names?
2017-04-28T00:16:03 < ohsix> if you use pointers you end up having to dereference them to get the value and all that entails (if it's already a pointer that's not so bad)
2017-04-28T00:16:27 < ohsix> just shadow it and update it; you'll end up in all sorts of hell if you forget you're using it with multiple names or skipping syncing them up
2017-04-28T00:18:59 < ohsix> or
2017-04-28T00:19:02 < ohsix> put them in a union
2017-04-28T00:19:22 < ohsix> then you can have type punning problems
2017-04-28T00:25:50 < karlp> ohsix: kakimir wnats aliases because the original_names_were_long_and_descriptive
2017-04-28T00:27:49 < BrainDamage> EnterpriseQualityCode
2017-04-28T00:37:29 < karlp> EnterpriseQualityCode implements EnterpriseQualityCodeFactoryFacade ?
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2017-04-28T00:54:19 < Rob235> my mbp is at 96 C, is it gonna die? :(
2017-04-28T00:56:19 < sync_> no
2017-04-28T00:56:56 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/Rm4P5UK.png lul atom
2017-04-28T00:57:29 < Steffanx> mine goes to 105 sometimes Rob235.
2017-04-28T00:57:35 < Steffanx> not so happy with that though
2017-04-28T00:59:55 < Rob235> vmware fusion is killing me, maybe I should drop it down to one core
2017-04-28T01:00:14 < Steffanx> try to convert some video using handbrake :P
2017-04-28T01:00:53 < Rob235> dropped it down to 2 and it seems to be much cooler, closer to 65 C
2017-04-28T01:01:49 < ohsix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24469237/
2017-04-28T01:01:54 < ohsix> this stuff is weirding me out
2017-04-28T01:02:07 < ohsix> ostensibly it's a good idea but they have rules to enforce what you can say and shit lul
2017-04-28T01:02:51 < Rob235> Steffanx: what model do you have? ie: I have a mid-2015
2017-04-28T01:02:57 < Steffanx> mid 2010
2017-04-28T01:04:37 < Rob235> my first one was a late 2011 but the discrete gpu failed because of overheating I expect. It was a very common problem for that year. For $3k you would hope it would last more than 4 years but it was nice getting a new one.
2017-04-28T01:04:57 < Rob235> I should reflow it and sell it
2017-04-28T01:05:16 < Rob235> probably wont last long but as long as it works when they test it :)
2017-04-28T01:05:16 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/PXzhX29
2017-04-28T01:06:38 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/y8jOt95.png
2017-04-28T01:06:40 < Laurenceb_> my eyes
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2017-04-28T01:09:30 < Steffanx>  try /topic :P
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2017-04-28T01:15:21 < Steffanx> is the internet dying?
2017-04-28T01:15:55 < BrainDamage> https://www.istheinternetonfire.com/
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2017-04-28T01:17:48 < englishman> no, just freenode
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2017-04-28T01:20:09 < karlp> if we're going to just chat about computers, anyone know how to make my media key play/pause buttons to play/pause youtube videos in (any browser?)
2017-04-28T01:20:11 < karlp> if we're going to just chat about computers, anyone know how to make my media key play/pause buttons to play/pause youtube videos in (any browser?)
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2017-04-28T01:23:08 < englishman> map them to spacebar?
2017-04-28T01:24:30 < karlp> no, that needs me to alt-tab to the browser
2017-04-28T01:24:32 < karlp> no point then
2017-04-28T01:25:37 < englishman> interesting question, how would that even work if you have two youtube windows open.
2017-04-28T01:25:44 < Steffanx> play them all.
2017-04-28T01:26:05 < BrainDamage> something like this? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/key-socket-media-keys/fphfgdknbpakeedbaenojjdcdoajihik
2017-04-28T01:26:10 < BrainDamage> ( didn't try it )
2017-04-28T01:26:10 < Steffanx> but yeah, would be nice to have something like that.
2017-04-28T01:26:51 < Steffanx> but i see many issues.
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2017-04-28T01:27:36 < karlp> there's always going to be issues,  but if it does most of it, that's a pretty good start
2017-04-28T01:30:43 < karlp> looks good. but... doesn't work.
2017-04-28T01:31:47 < karlp> ah no. it works.... if I disable it working in gnome: https://github.com/borismus/keysocket/issues/149
2017-04-28T01:32:20 < karlp> hrm
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2017-04-28T01:45:10 < Rob235> damn, I cant find the right size allen key to get these 4 screws off
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2017-04-28T02:35:17 < jadew> Rob235, I thought everyone has every size a couple of times in their toolbox
2017-04-28T02:36:13 < jadew> I have like 4 or 5 sets
2017-04-28T02:36:30 < jadew> maybe more
2017-04-28T02:37:50 < TheSeven> hmm, can I actually drop priority within an IRQ handler by writing to BASEPRI?
2017-04-28T02:38:46 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/6z_gWD.jpg
2017-04-28T02:40:03 < jadew> Laurenceb_, were those pictures taken at walmart?
2017-04-28T02:40:21 < Laurenceb_> probably
2017-04-28T02:40:44 < Laurenceb_> I was watching Berkeley livestream but it was epically boring
2017-04-28T02:40:51 < Laurenceb_> was being hyped for so long :-/
2017-04-28T02:41:03 < jadew> what livestream?
2017-04-28T02:41:07 < jadew> more fighting?
2017-04-28T02:41:55 < jadew> any ideas on how to convert resistance to temperature on those thermistors that come with cheap DMMs?
2017-04-28T02:42:24 < jadew> they seem to have around 14 Ohms at room temp
2017-04-28T02:58:33 < Rob235> jadew: I only had one set of metric and imperial, I just ran to lowe's to get another metric set with the 2mm that I needed
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2017-04-28T06:15:06 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/CHmH49h.gifv
2017-04-28T06:21:02 < upgrdman> legit looks so fun   https://i.imgur.com/AKSI97s.gifv
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2017-04-28T06:42:53 < Rob235> why is this crap so expensive? https://hobbyking.com/en_us/tarot-680pro-hexacopter-carbon-fiber-upgrade-folding-leg-and-foot-assembaly-1pc.html
2017-04-28T06:45:07 < upgrdman> because people will pay for it?
2017-04-28T06:45:17 < upgrdman> i mean if no one else sells an equiv for less...
2017-04-28T06:50:41 < Rob235> cant find anything, I just want the top carbon fiber piece, I already have the rest... The original pieces are garbage and I don't know if I'm gonna just end up spending more in replacements in the long run, these 10mm feet are useless as well, but I could get by with a $6 purchase of two 10mm tubes
2017-04-28T06:51:31 < Rob235> I guess I'll start with $6, if I run into the problem again I'll just spend the $30
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2017-04-28T06:59:05 < englishman> $15 is expensive?
2017-04-28T06:59:16 < englishman> those are pretty slick, bunch of CF and milled billet pieces
2017-04-28T06:59:18 < englishman> it's a bargain
2017-04-28T07:01:49 < Rob235> yea maybe, but all I need are the top pieces, I have everything else. and thats only for one, you need two
2017-04-28T07:02:11 < Rob235> this might be worth $13 https://www.banggood.com/Tarot-16mm-T-shape-Landing-Gear-Connector-Tee-Coupling-Aluminum-For-Multicopter-TL68B45-p-993847.html
2017-04-28T07:02:56 < Rob235> I hate using grub screws, I think thats part of why I'm breaking the 10mm tubes so easily, I'm probably over tightening them
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2017-04-28T07:07:20 < Rob235> ahh, I wasnt logged in either, it dropped $2
2017-04-28T07:08:15 < upgrdman> BG offers discounts to reg'd users?
2017-04-28T07:08:56 < Rob235> hobbyking
2017-04-28T07:09:32 < upgrdman> HK offers discounts to reg'd users?
2017-04-28T07:09:35 < Rob235> every order you make puts you up a level until level 10 and you get more off as you go up or something like that
2017-04-28T07:09:48 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-28T07:11:20 < Rob235> hmm and I do have $2.46 in store credit :P
2017-04-28T07:12:46 < Rob235> hmm their website either changed, or when you hit 10 purchases it doesn't show anymore. I think my last purchase was #10
2017-04-28T07:13:07 < Rob235> oh no, I'm at 13
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2017-04-28T07:31:26 < upgrdman> i didnt pay for it
2017-04-28T07:31:28 < upgrdman> work did
2017-04-28T07:31:55 < upgrdman> no i wasnt
2017-04-28T07:32:07 < upgrdman> were you to dumb to read what i wrote
2017-04-28T07:32:25 < upgrdman> you sound jealous
2017-04-28T07:32:29 < upgrdman> faggot
2017-04-28T07:35:23 < Rob235> dude, you are hilarious....
2017-04-28T07:36:27 < Rob235> am I back on ignore? sweet
2017-04-28T07:36:53 < englishman> hey R2COM why dont you /query dongs directly
2017-04-28T07:36:58 < englishman> so you can /part this chan
2017-04-28T07:39:03 < englishman> no, because your chats are boring and irrelevant, like leeloo
2017-04-28T07:39:43 < englishman> great, so you'll stop entirely?
2017-04-28T07:40:33 < englishman> according to my logs, you just joined
2017-04-28T07:40:47 < englishman> and starting chatting about some china garbage
2017-04-28T07:40:57 < englishman> clearly the highlight of your week
2017-04-28T07:41:17 < englishman> i think ##electronics might be more ontopic for you.
2017-04-28T07:42:44 < englishman> already on the attack?
2017-04-28T07:43:21 < englishman> i never considered you a challenge
2017-04-28T07:44:03 < englishman> heh
2017-04-28T07:45:02 < englishman> right
2017-04-28T07:45:11 < englishman> whats the point of making these baseless arguments
2017-04-28T07:45:40 < upgrdman> r2drunk
2017-04-28T07:45:41 < englishman> no really
2017-04-28T07:45:46 < englishman> what's the point?
2017-04-28T07:45:54 < englishman> you're not even accurate in your accusations
2017-04-28T07:46:01 < englishman> can you do anything right?
2017-04-28T07:47:17 < englishman> that's great! you're tying your shoes all by yourself?
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2017-04-28T08:46:04 < ohsix> sup
2017-04-28T08:46:40 < ohsix> englishman: do you have a patreon that supports your work here
2017-04-28T08:46:45 < ohsix> a+
2017-04-28T08:50:09 < ohsix> karlp: you probably need a browser extension that runs on youtube, and get the play/pause to all of those; local nodejs hax, olol
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2017-04-28T09:49:57 < upgrdman> so i just "discovered" Portal. heh, pretty neat.
2017-04-28T09:50:22 < ohsix> the rendering technique?
2017-04-28T09:50:27 < upgrdman> no the game
2017-04-28T09:50:49 < ohsix> hrmph
2017-04-28T09:50:55 < ohsix> thought that lest likely
2017-04-28T09:51:09 < ohsix> you might be the only person on the planet that doesn't own the orange box
2017-04-28T09:51:22 < upgrdman> is that what it used to sell in?
2017-04-28T09:51:30 < upgrdman> it was part of a steam pack i bought at xmas
2017-04-28T09:51:37 < ohsix> in a box yea, i think it was available by itself tho
2017-04-28T09:52:08 < ohsix> http://orange.half-life2.com/ lul
2017-04-28T09:54:01 < upgrdman> oh ya i have all those games, that were in the pack
2017-04-28T09:54:04 < upgrdman> plus a bunch more
2017-04-28T09:54:15 < upgrdman> never played any of them
2017-04-28T09:54:20 < upgrdman> except for portal just now
2017-04-28T10:00:11 < ohsix> nice
2017-04-28T10:00:36 < ohsix> here's what i thought at the time: it should have been harder
2017-04-28T10:00:46 < ohsix> if you listen to the dev notes, people are mad retarded
2017-04-28T10:01:05 < ohsix> they had an excellent idea for a game but none of the people they let play it, could
2017-04-28T10:04:32 < ohsix> if this was 2011 and you hadn't played portal or portal 2, i'd tell you to play portal 2 first
2017-04-28T10:04:48 < ohsix> it's less bad that it isn't hard
2017-04-28T10:06:15 < upgrdman> i have portal2 too but have not installed it yet
2017-04-28T10:06:53 < upgrdman> i like games that arent hard. i guess im dumb as fuck, cause most games leave me confused and stuck at several points
2017-04-28T10:07:05 < ohsix> huh no way
2017-04-28T10:07:21 < ohsix> i dont' believe you
2017-04-28T10:07:32 < upgrdman> believe what
2017-04-28T10:07:39 < ohsix> that you got stuck in a video game
2017-04-28T10:07:45 < upgrdman> lol all the time
2017-04-28T10:07:55 < ohsix> what game and when
2017-04-28T10:08:04 < upgrdman> in doom3 i was fucked for like 20 minutes at the blue door, didnt realize i needed to steal the card from the dead guy
2017-04-28T10:08:08 < ohsix> logic games that you have to walk away from?
2017-04-28T10:08:09 < upgrdman> err not doom3. doom
2017-04-28T10:08:11 < upgrdman> the new doom
2017-04-28T10:08:18 < ohsix> shrug
2017-04-28T10:08:29 < ohsix> that's not stuck
2017-04-28T10:08:31 < upgrdman> and in half life 1 i often got confused and have to google
2017-04-28T10:08:33 < ohsix> hehe
2017-04-28T10:08:42 < upgrdman> never did finish HL1
2017-04-28T10:08:48 < ohsix> i don't even
2017-04-28T10:08:56 < ohsix> i really don't like that game haha
2017-04-28T10:09:13 < ohsix> oh wait hl1 was cool, hl2 was buns
2017-04-28T10:09:21 < ohsix> ant lions
2017-04-28T10:09:32 < upgrdman> R2COM, inorite
2017-04-28T10:09:36 < upgrdman> so fucking easy
2017-04-28T10:09:48 < upgrdman> but i guess i havent gamed enough
2017-04-28T10:09:53 < ohsix> did you like doom, it is pretty boss
2017-04-28T10:09:57 < upgrdman> so i need someone to hold me cock and walk me through shit
2017-04-28T10:10:06 < upgrdman> ohsix, until i get stuck, ya
2017-04-28T10:10:16 < ohsix> i have monies to new computers, but bluhhh, games take time
2017-04-28T10:12:43 < ohsix> i should finish doom
2017-04-28T10:13:00 < ohsix> there were a few areas that i played again and again due to death failure and it was awesome
2017-04-28T10:13:13 < Steffanx> Which dutchie is emailing you crt ?
2017-04-28T10:13:24 < ohsix> you're right on the edge of success, just gotta keep a better eye on 50 monsters
2017-04-28T10:13:31 < ohsix> it's freakin' gr8
2017-04-28T10:14:45 < ohsix> doom would be a cool kiosk game
2017-04-28T10:15:48 < ohsix> upgrdman: check out the itch.io client, there's some pretty cool shit on there
2017-04-28T10:16:09 < ohsix> it's more fun than getting random stuff from the website, can just start the games
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2017-04-28T10:20:55 < Steffanx> Why? Just status updates?
2017-04-28T10:22:57 < ohsix> sup
2017-04-28T10:23:06 < ohsix> anyone know some online lending library shit thing that isn't insane
2017-04-28T10:23:51 < ohsix> us local haxors are going to put up books we're willing to lend and where they are (who's house, at the haxor bookshelf)
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2017-04-28T10:27:18 < ohsix> and maybe shit like chairs and random haxor stuff
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2017-04-28T10:58:55 < Steffanx> Poor you.
2017-04-28T11:00:12 < Steffanx> Whats dhl spamming you with crt?
2017-04-28T11:01:55 < Steffanx> Oh emails in dutch? Lolz
2017-04-28T11:03:17 < Steffanx> You could forward them, it might be important?
2017-04-28T11:05:25 < Steffanx> Just use stroopwafelpal address
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2017-04-28T11:22:31 < ohsix> https://librarika.com/ if you want to run a personal library, this is free up to 2000 items and is p. kewl
2017-04-28T11:24:45 < Steffanx> All online..? If so its useless.
2017-04-28T11:25:24 < Steffanx> Books last for decades, services like that a few year(?)
2017-04-28T11:27:46 < Steffanx> Wonderful, what now crt?
2017-04-28T11:39:14 < ohsix> Steffanx: eh?
2017-04-28T11:39:39 < ohsix> the 'branches' of this library are peoples actual shelves in their houses ololol
2017-04-28T11:40:32 < ohsix> and i think we're going to have bookshelfs in 2 different places just for this library, for books that the owner doesn't need instant access to
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2017-04-28T11:47:13 < Thorn> https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/jpl/pia21437/earhart-propeller-in-saturns-a-ring
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2017-04-28T13:04:47 < Steffanx> I meant that i wouldnt use something not self hosted for that ohsix
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2017-04-28T13:22:58 < Steffanx> ...
2017-04-28T13:25:40 < Steffanx> Lo
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2017-04-28T13:39:41 < Steffanx> ok crt
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2017-04-28T14:25:50 < Ultrasauce> aw man i missed some quality r2com chats
2017-04-28T14:25:56 < Ultrasauce> my favourite part was where he had more money
2017-04-28T14:29:27 < Steffanx> I also like how anti-gay as he is, he takes cock in the mouth a bit often.
2017-04-28T14:29:36 < Steffanx> *"cock"
2017-04-28T14:33:53 < Steffanx> Commie Rages Too.
2017-04-28T14:36:34 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKc3X1a0uZA
2017-04-28T14:39:45 < englishman> Hello Fags my name is R2COM! Go fuck yourself! I love America, Guns, and my Vietnamese wife, or at least I will when they send the replacement. I have a job in the USA and am superior to you. I'm better than you, and I need to repeat this fact on IRC in case you forget. America Yes!
2017-04-28T14:40:17 < Steffanx> Trump4president.
2017-04-28T14:41:27 < Steffanx> "ikr"
2017-04-28T14:41:57 < zyp> englishman, haha
2017-04-28T14:44:27 < Steffanx> Better repeat that when he's around. He will totally love you englishman :D
2017-04-28T14:45:31 < BrainDamage> 10/10, had to check nickname to see you weren't the original
2017-04-28T14:48:02 < PaulFertser> He usually says he likes hairy pussies and big asses, so a Vietnamese wife is only half-matching.
2017-04-28T14:48:23 < Steffanx> He went to the USA for a reason.
2017-04-28T14:49:20 < Steffanx> but its no fun to talk behind his back
2017-04-28T14:49:46 < PaulFertser> Ethics lesson on ##stm32
2017-04-28T14:51:45 < Steffanx> Nah, it's just.. You talk like this for a reason right? Or he has to read it or you are just blowing of some steam. In case of the latter, its only good for yourself and that is selfish.
2017-04-28T14:52:33 < jpa-> being selfish is bad now?
2017-04-28T14:53:15 < Steffanx> Yes, because then you are like R2COM.
2017-04-28T14:54:28 < zyp> Steffanx, you talk like this for a reason right?
2017-04-28T14:55:29 < PaulFertser> An offtopic question now, I'll probably have a new stm32 project at work, should be a simple multi-channel PV current monitoring RS-485 job. Should I try doing it in Rust? Or probably C++? If C++, is stm32plus worth taking a look at?
2017-04-28T14:56:13 < BrainDamage> does rust support embedded now? last time I checked they said they didn't care
2017-04-28T14:56:19 < zyp> PaulFertser, what do you want to accomplish by looking at other languages?
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2017-04-28T14:56:51 < Thorn> gnat supports stm32 ootb
2017-04-28T14:57:12 < PaulFertser> zyp: I just do not like C for being such a clumsy unreliable old language. And I want to have some fun when programming.
2017-04-28T14:57:18 < zyp> I like C++ because I'm comfortable with it and feel it saves me time
2017-04-28T14:57:18 < Thorn> rust == busted deadlines
2017-04-28T14:57:57 < zyp> rust sounds like a choice for specially interested people, but if you are specially interested, then go ahead
2017-04-28T14:57:59 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: http://japaric.github.io/copper/
2017-04-28T14:59:30 < PaulFertser> zyp: what I do not like about C++ is lack of compile-time object lifetime tracking, and of course I'm not too happy about templates being abused as a language. And the very fact C++ is 4 different languages (preprocessor, C++, constexpr C++, templates) tells a lot.
2017-04-28T14:59:48 < Thorn> and concepts
2017-04-28T15:00:05 < PaulFertser> Concepts kinda make templates easier to use, so that's probably an advantage.
2017-04-28T15:00:14 < zyp> I'm not too hung up on how other people (ab)use C++, I use the parts that works for me
2017-04-28T15:00:16 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: thanks, I guess at least I can check out the language
2017-04-28T15:00:24 < PaulFertser> Thorn: are you using Ada in produciton?
2017-04-28T15:01:06 < Thorn> they have a gpl onlly license for the free gnat
2017-04-28T15:01:25 < Thorn> and nonfree is right in dongs territory I'm sure
2017-04-28T15:01:43 < PaulFertser> zyp: I tried it recently for some small networking apps using Boost::ASIO, was kinda cool but somehow painful at the same time. Especially when I passed a [&] lambda in std::thread .
2017-04-28T15:01:49 < kakimir_> https://i.imgur.com/n34U9Wg.jpg
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2017-04-28T15:02:50 < PaulFertser> Thorn: hm, and gpl is not something I'll be allowed for that system
2017-04-28T15:02:53 < zyp> I've used boost::asio for a couple of things before, it's cool but kinda cumbersome over doing the same thing in python with asyncio or tornado
2017-04-28T15:02:56 < BrainDamage> kakimir: 404 doesn't imply you fucked up, the urls for hyperlinks are often provided by the server itself
2017-04-28T15:03:45 < kakimir> but you asked for it
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2017-04-28T15:06:24 < PaulFertser> zyp: have you tried boost::asio::use_future ?
2017-04-28T15:07:15 < zyp> I'll have to look it up, been years since I used boost::asio
2017-04-28T15:07:44 < zyp> my largest project with it was one I did in uni, and that was 6-7 years ago
2017-04-28T15:08:01 < PaulFertser> It makes it kind of more tolerable, instead of having a spaghetti of callbacks.
2017-04-28T15:08:35 < zyp> ah, right, I don't think asio had futures at the time
2017-04-28T15:08:42 < zyp> so it was all callback passing style
2017-04-28T15:08:51 < fest> PaulFertser: another concern in corporate setting is who will maintain the thing? I've seen a project fail because relatively obscure language was chosen and the managers just could not find more engineers when they were needed
2017-04-28T15:09:17 < zyp> I think my first introduction to futures was first time I did a project in python with tornado
2017-04-28T15:09:30 < PaulFertser> fest: for such a simple project they'll just rewrite it in C if I quit one day.
2017-04-28T15:09:44 < fest> and that relatively obscure language was erlang, which arguably was a good fit for that system and is around a lot longer than rust/go
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2017-04-28T15:10:08 < PaulFertser> Erlang seems pretty mainline nowadays.
2017-04-28T15:10:21 < zyp> the problem with C++ is that futures is only half the solution, you'll also want coroutines that can wait on futures
2017-04-28T15:10:38 < zyp> and there's no nice way to do coroutines in C++
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2017-04-28T15:12:00 < PaulFertser> I think for a typical "do something with timeout" ASIO operation you can simply set up that timeout, then write or read, wait on the future and get the timeout delivered via exception if it triggers earlier.
2017-04-28T15:12:49 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/CcxHr <- here's part of the zwave stuff I wrote in python some weeks ago
2017-04-28T15:14:11 < zyp> the await keyword on lines 2, 9, 11 and 17 yields the coroutine until the future it's used on completes
2017-04-28T15:14:51 < PaulFertser> Nice and straightforward
2017-04-28T15:16:00 < zyp> resulting in a lot more readable code than if each of those operations had a callback
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2017-04-28T15:19:47 < c10ud^> anyone ever did some stm-on-powerline project?
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2017-04-28T15:21:41 < c10ud^> I would like to make an rs485-like over powerline project with a few hundreds of nodes but I'm unsure on what the most straightforward way would be, microcontroller wise
2017-04-28T15:22:20 < zyp> powerline means you'll buy some sort of chip with a SPI interface or similar, right?
2017-04-28T15:22:38 < c10ud^> I see st has some with stm32 integrated
2017-04-28T15:22:51 < zyp> that might be
2017-04-28T15:23:15 < c10ud^> otherwise a transceiver + external uc would be just fine, here's why I'm asking to pros
2017-04-28T15:23:16 < c10ud^> :D
2017-04-28T15:24:03 < zyp> well, I don't know powerline, but if it's just a spi transceiver then that shouldn't really impact the mcu choice
2017-04-28T15:24:09 < Steffanx> Yes, because im bored zyp :P
2017-04-28T15:24:48 < zyp> because the only mcu requirement then would be the spi interface, which pretty much any mcu will have nowadays
2017-04-28T15:24:53 < c10ud^> http://www.st.com/en/interfaces-and-transceivers/power-line-transceivers.html?querycriteria=productId=SC923
2017-04-28T15:25:04 < c10ud^> so, you'd go with an external transceiver
2017-04-28T15:25:24 < zyp> I didn't say that
2017-04-28T15:26:00 < zyp> packaged solutions with mcu+transceiver could also be interesting
2017-04-28T15:26:59 < zyp> given that the built in mcu does everything you need it to, it's just becomes a question of price/complexity/size which might have project-specific considerations
2017-04-28T15:27:46 < c10ud^> yup
2017-04-28T15:27:59 < c10ud^> thing is I don't have any idea on what's best for such communication, I guess I should study available options first
2017-04-28T15:28:20 < zyp> main benefit of external transceiver is that you keep the flexibility to choose whatever mcu you want
2017-04-28T15:29:17 < c10ud^> yup for sure
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2017-04-28T15:32:00 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/ZvlQepf
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2017-04-28T15:42:35 < Steffanx> BrainDamage, are you around? Im in desperate need of your help. I need this part for my car which is only sold in italy ( on ebay )  and im not sure if they are willing to ship to the netherlands
2017-04-28T15:42:48 < Steffanx> ( sure it's sold in the netherlands, but .. for extreme prices )
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2017-04-28T15:44:19 < Steffanx> Its what you get when you buy an itallian car -_-
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2017-04-28T15:50:46 < englishman> did you get a chinky chento
2017-04-28T15:51:38 < fest> Steffanx: alfa romeo?
2017-04-28T15:51:39 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: pm me
2017-04-28T15:51:48 < Steffanx> Fiat. But not what englishman said.
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2017-04-28T15:55:37 < Steffanx> Grande Punto englishman.
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2017-04-28T16:43:40 < Thorn> top quality musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMJsYHCDrTs
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2017-04-28T16:47:52 < karlp> PaulFertser: you want to just buy a multi cahnnel current monitoring device with rs485/modbus already on it?  Can I interest you in: http://www.etactica.com/products/current-bar-eb/ ?
2017-04-28T16:51:13 < Steffanx> karlp's work?
2017-04-28T16:51:48 < englishman> looks like it
2017-04-28T16:52:06 < englishman> Karl Palsson
2017-04-28T16:52:06 < englishman> Embedded Systems Engineer
2017-04-28T16:52:10 < englishman> doxx
2017-04-28T16:52:48 < karlp> durh, like htat was ever being hidden.
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2017-04-28T16:54:58 < englishman> so i got up at 4h to go hunt turkies, first day of the hunting season
2017-04-28T16:55:07 < englishman> saw turkeys every day this week. but not today.
2017-04-28T16:55:12 < englishman> go home, leave for work
2017-04-28T16:55:18 < englishman> see this on the side of the road
2017-04-28T16:55:20 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/4c0hvqi.jpg
2017-04-28T16:55:26 < Steffanx> i just go to the grocery store for my food
2017-04-28T16:56:03 < BrainDamage> if you miss your pray for multiple days in a row,do you have to starve?
2017-04-28T16:56:06 < englishman> too easy
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2017-04-28T17:18:38 < Steffanx> my question was more if karlp was closely involved in the devleopment process of that product, but i guess he is. As the team is pretty small
2017-04-28T17:20:04 < Steffanx> *isnt too large
2017-04-28T17:27:10 < karlp> you could say you all helped make it ;)
2017-04-28T17:33:35 < Steffanx> ##stm32 inside?
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2017-04-28T17:38:10 < englishman> The DXF file cannot be opened by our engineer in China, they are using ZWCAD 2006.
2017-04-28T17:38:12 < englishman> how is this my problem
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2017-04-28T17:42:38 < Steffanx> you want to order something => your problem
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2017-04-28T17:46:47 < karlp> ##stm32 inside indeed.
2017-04-28T17:48:34 < karlp> PaulFertser: what's the difference between copper and zinc wrt rust on embedded?
2017-04-28T17:49:55 < karlp> ah, also that page is just rust on embedded and _called_ copper. it's not copper like http://tibleiz.net/copper/ or zinc
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2017-04-28T18:25:39 < PaulFertser> karlp: that's a fancy device but it's not anywhere close to what we're going to build. We need 18 channels +- 26A DC 0.5%, all combined together on the board and combined voltage 0-1000V measured.
2017-04-28T18:26:53 < PaulFertser> (together = in parallel of course)
2017-04-28T18:32:34 < englishman> kakimir: http://i.imgur.com/vhmGXsM.jpg
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2017-04-28T18:56:47 < karlp> oh, you wanted dc? nvm then.
2017-04-28T18:57:15 < karlp> we have a version of this that does DC, but ~no-one wants them http://www.etactica.com/products/current-meter-e3/
2017-04-28T18:57:42 < karlp> and our version with voltage measurement is only for ac mains, no 1000v dc stuff.
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2017-04-28T19:05:14 < Rob235> must...find...loctite
2017-04-28T19:06:16 < Rob235> oh really?
2017-04-28T19:07:03 < Rob235> it would be going into a vinyl piece with metal threading, maybe I'll just keep an eye on those screws then
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2017-04-28T19:42:35 < zyp> jpa-, how serious is this? https://i.redd.it/py78u88zg9uy.jpg
2017-04-28T19:43:33 < karlp> doesn't really seem like a great price
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2017-04-28T19:44:53 < zyp> fairly cheap compared to norwegian prices
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2017-04-28T19:55:46 < Steffanx> Neither jpa- nor kakimir replied to this. I think they both went to the store.
2017-04-28T19:56:29 < karlp> does norway also do the "no discounts no matter how much you buy" that icelnd does?
2017-04-28T19:56:38 < zyp> probably
2017-04-28T19:57:23 < zyp> if anything, the alcohol laws are probably even stricter here
2017-04-28T19:57:30 < Steffanx> No "2 for the price of 1"-ish stuff karlp?
2017-04-28T19:57:39 < karlp> absolutely not on alcohol.
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2017-04-28T19:59:17 < karlp> that 1000pack is still 216kr a can.  I can buy euroshopper beer here for 239 in singles.t in singles: http://www.vinbudin.is/heim/vorur/stoek-vara.aspx/?productid=22457/
2017-04-28T20:00:17 < zyp> 200-something kr is what I normally pay for a sixpack
2017-04-28T20:00:22 < zyp> different kr though :)
2017-04-28T20:00:28 < englishman> holy shit
2017-04-28T20:00:37 < englishman> 23.3 USD
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2017-04-28T20:21:14 < BrainDamage> what kind of beer is it tought? shit tier beer here 0.5€ or so for a 0.5L can, good quality beer can go up to 3-5€ for a 0.6L bottle
2017-04-28T20:23:46 < karlp> I can't imagine anything being sold in 1000s to be anything particularly worthy
2017-04-28T20:24:07 < jpa-> zyp: probably not very serious; there was a 100-pack released on april 1st, but which turned out to be real and is selling well
2017-04-28T20:24:15 < jpa-> but the 1000-pack is probably just a publicity stunt
2017-04-28T20:31:11 < englishman> do you guys have a distribution map like this https://transbroue.com/en/map
2017-04-28T20:32:07 < Steffanx> What is it. Pubs with list of beer they have?
2017-04-28T20:32:18 < englishman> stores, it's for bottled beer
2017-04-28T20:32:40 < Steffanx> i dont think we have that in dutchland
2017-04-28T20:32:54 < englishman> oh it has pubs too, neat
2017-04-28T20:33:05 < Steffanx> but here stores sell like .. everything. Unless it's some local beer.
2017-04-28T20:34:31 < englishman> an important tool for finding fresh beer
2017-04-28T20:34:53 < Steffanx> Beer is overrated.
2017-04-28T20:35:11 < Steffanx> Call me crazy.
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2017-04-28T20:56:25 < Streaker> Steffanx: you're crazy.
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2017-04-28T21:11:20 < Steffanx> Im not crazy, i'm an airplane.
2017-04-28T21:12:28 < Rob235> ahhh, wrote and sent in my letter of appeal to get financial aid to finish up school.  I hope they okay it
2017-04-28T21:12:51 < Steffanx> Who should ok it?
2017-04-28T21:13:02 < Rob235> the financial aid department
2017-04-28T21:13:26 < Steffanx> of the school?
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2017-04-28T21:13:28 < Rob235> yea
2017-04-28T21:14:18 < Rob235> I dropped out of my last 3 classes about a year ago, apparently that put me on academic probation...
2017-04-28T21:14:57 < Steffanx> oops
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2017-04-28T21:18:09 < jpa-> zyp: https://static.ylilauta.org/files/ut/orig/nubque01/xKURDGF.jpg   apparently people have bought it
2017-04-28T21:21:00 < Steffanx> lol
2017-04-28T21:21:04 < Steffanx> Student..
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2017-04-28T21:43:57 < zyp> haha
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2017-04-28T21:52:52 < englishman> that's expensive beer
2017-04-28T21:53:09 < englishman> when i took the pl->se ferry it was full of sweedes who just went to pl overnight to stock up on beer
2017-04-28T21:53:53 < englishman> because several hours of ferry + trains was cheaper than buying a couple 24 packs of beer in sweden
2017-04-28T21:56:07 < Steffanx> Why is it so expensive therei in scandinavian countries? Easy money for the government?
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2017-04-28T22:03:43 < jpa-> yeah
2017-04-28T22:03:47 < zyp> yeah
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2017-04-28T22:11:07 < Steffanx> So it's like gas for my car here in dutchland.
2017-04-28T22:12:06 < BrainDamage> if you think you have it bad in italy gas tax is ~0.8€ on 1.5€ fuel price
2017-04-28T22:13:13 < Steffanx> Let's see if i can beat that.
2017-04-28T22:16:24 < Steffanx> Here it's about 65%.
2017-04-28T22:17:48 < englishman> here its like 200%
2017-04-28T22:18:01 < englishman> gas would be 33c without the tax
2017-04-28T22:18:35 < Steffanx> but here it's also like ~1.55/L
2017-04-28T22:18:41 < Steffanx> You pay per gallon probably?
2017-04-28T22:18:43 < englishman> no
2017-04-28T22:18:49 < englishman> only one country in the world does that
2017-04-28T22:19:18 < englishman> though i remember it being 45c/gallon last time i was in the deep south
2017-04-28T22:19:33 < srk> is there a difference if you wire Pin -> led -> resistor -> gnd vs Pin -> R -> led -> gnd?
2017-04-28T22:19:43 < Steffanx> http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/ only norway, iceland and hk beat us.
2017-04-28T22:20:03 < englishman> not practically no.
2017-04-28T22:20:32 < Steffanx> Sure there is. Some UCs tend to be able to sick more than they can source, but .. if that is relevant in this case.
2017-04-28T22:20:36 < Steffanx> *sink
2017-04-28T22:21:15 < Steffanx> oh fail.
2017-04-28T22:21:20 < englishman> :)
2017-04-28T22:21:32 < Steffanx> i cannot read again
2017-04-28T22:21:50 < Steffanx> better ignore me, as always.
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2017-04-28T22:22:32 < Steffanx> but i would look at that srk, especially when you want to drive more leds
2017-04-28T22:23:44 < srk> Steffanx: yeah, I know that. not the case with stm32 iirc
2017-04-28T22:24:03 < srk> but e.g. atmega can sink much more than source
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2017-04-28T22:39:24 < Steffanx> I should go work for TI. Cannot read/write either.
2017-04-28T22:40:25 < Steffanx> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps62260-q1.pdf better fix page 6.
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2017-04-29T00:14:26 < kakimir> went to movies
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2017-04-29T00:16:52 < kakimir> to see "Life"
2017-04-29T00:17:44 < kakimir> nice thrills
2017-04-29T00:18:42 < karlp> BrainDamage: why does it matter what the tax portion of the price is? it's not like it's optional.
2017-04-29T00:30:10 < ohsix> that library thing is neato
2017-04-29T00:30:15 < ohsix> more people should do it
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2017-04-29T00:49:10 < Steffanx> karlp: it means the price is kinda artificially high, which sucks.
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2017-04-29T01:00:32 < BrainDamage> karlp: because the price cannot fall below that
2017-04-29T01:00:50 < BrainDamage> it's a non proportional tax
2017-04-29T01:02:48 < BrainDamage> and part of that tax is actually bullshit, at least in italy, many parts of it were supposed to be temporary but never removed, one does wonder where the funds went ...
2017-04-29T01:11:11 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/bromanconsul/status/856963196191522816
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2017-04-29T01:12:16 < Steffanx> Hah sounds familiar BrainDamage. The temporary part.
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2017-04-29T01:13:08 < BrainDamage> part of the tax still contains funds to reconstruct a village from an earthquake in 1910
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2017-04-29T02:07:24 < ohsix> make the village great again
2017-04-29T02:20:17 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://twitter.com/arduino/status/856902238412918785
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2017-04-29T02:40:01 < upgrdman> ohsix, heh, not too bad for basically open-loop control
2017-04-29T02:47:05 < mtbg> no step on snek
2017-04-29T02:47:46 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/0SsUMcl
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2017-04-29T02:48:40 < Emilgardis> pls no stp o n snek
2017-04-29T02:52:17 < mtbg> there is no alt-right
2017-04-29T02:52:24 < mtbg> there is only regressive populism
2017-04-29T02:55:35 < karlp> meh, pay for tax on petrol, pay for tax somewhere else.  if the numerical portion of a tax on petrol is bothering you, the only relevant choice is to move yoru domicile.
2017-04-29T02:56:30 < karlp> Laurenceb_: is anyone meant to be able to read that?
2017-04-29T03:05:07 < sync> yeah like brazil karlp :D
2017-04-29T03:05:11 < sync> or argentinia
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2017-04-29T03:22:00 < ohsix> upgrdman: wat would closed loop be? even crappy servos hold prett yok
2017-04-29T03:22:14 < ohsix> mtbg: no black swans either!111
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2017-04-29T03:24:44 < upgrdman> ohsix, well OL wasnt the right word. i mean like primitive positionability
2017-04-29T03:32:55 < ohsix> oic
2017-04-29T03:32:59 < ohsix> shruggin'
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2017-04-29T04:13:56 < ohsix> hurr
2017-04-29T04:14:08 < ohsix> party in the building for one of the meatups i'm not so hot on
2017-04-29T04:14:15 < ohsix> but tons of people show up
2017-04-29T04:37:47 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-04-29T04:37:54 < Laurenceb_> I just tried watching Dr Who
2017-04-29T04:38:06 < Laurenceb_> thought I was watching a bad parody
2017-04-29T04:38:12 < Laurenceb_> full Poe
2017-04-29T04:43:37 < Ultrasauce> it's the thing all the parodies are based on
2017-04-29T04:46:07 < ohsix> parody of what
2017-04-29T04:46:24 < ohsix> have you watched A Touch of Cloth
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2017-04-29T04:47:53 < englishman> i tried dr who for capaldi
2017-04-29T04:47:57 < englishman> was unable
2017-04-29T04:48:53 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.troyhunt.com/content/images/2017/04/virus-noises.jpg
2017-04-29T04:53:22 < ohsix> englishman: the one where he punched a wall for a billion years was cool
2017-04-29T04:53:33 < ohsix> f you guys and your cold, dead hearts
2017-04-29T04:56:43 < branjb> hows the defense industry to work for?
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2017-04-29T05:22:04 < ohsix> heheh guy doing pitch coaching tried to run some sexist cheesecake shit on me while i was setting up
2017-04-29T05:22:17 < ohsix> he showed a slide with 'booth babes' and said 'i used to look like that'
2017-04-29T05:22:24 < ohsix> he was in the center, i asked if he was one of the women
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2017-04-29T06:08:46 < Streake_> there was a time when you only had to worry about that sort of thing if you went to thailand
2017-04-29T06:10:42 < Streake_> these days when you pick up a girl at a bar you need to discreetly slip a hand into her panties and pat around for a peepee
2017-04-29T06:38:36 < jadew> upgrdman, that's a good line, but they should use it for audio cables instead
2017-04-29T06:39:08 < upgrdman> mhmm
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2017-04-29T08:36:48 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/AlexndrJohnson/status/858114585437646848
2017-04-29T08:45:03 < ohsix> it's got boogers and everything
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2017-04-29T08:57:38 < ohsix> why leave money on the table, you have a personality people enjoy
2017-04-29T09:03:58 < ReadError> dongs otaku
2017-04-29T09:04:02 < ReadError> i learned a new word
2017-04-29T09:04:16 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kEUWZfNN/otaku.png
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2017-04-29T10:15:26 < ohsix> ReadError: did you ever get that prop/motor testing thing done up good
2017-04-29T10:15:54 < ohsix> i have those tiny ali motors and cheerson props, want to get some idea of what one can lift before i bother
2017-04-29T10:22:33 < ReadError> ohsix: yea i tested a bunch of motors
2017-04-29T10:22:46 < ReadError> the site never finished past what i had though
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2017-04-29T10:37:50 < ohsix> i think i might do something like put a 3" arm on a potentiometer, with the prop/motor facing down
2017-04-29T10:37:56 < ohsix> and a spring to hold the arm up
2017-04-29T10:38:12 < ohsix> then i can put proof masses on the spring and figure out deflection
2017-04-29T10:38:33 < ohsix> or shit a triple beam, huhuhu
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2017-04-29T10:38:41 < ohsix> balance it
2017-04-29T10:42:56 < ohsix> or zero a scale with a few oz of stuff and have the props pull up on it
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2017-04-29T11:04:36 < ReadError> spring will be odd
2017-04-29T11:04:45 < ReadError> you can put the motor directly on a loadcell
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2017-04-29T11:44:04 < Peter_M> ReadError turn that to 11 and you get hikikomori
2017-04-29T11:49:17 < BrainDamage> karlp: nope, not moving domicile, just refueling abroad, I am 5m from the state border :p
2017-04-29T11:50:00 < BrainDamage> 5km*
2017-04-29T11:51:53 < englishman> turkey time
2017-04-29T11:55:54 < englishman> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/richard-vallieres-sentencing-1.4090811
2017-04-29T11:56:05 < englishman> dont fuck with the syrup
2017-04-29T11:59:04 < Thorn> serious shit https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Water-Cooling-Spindle-High-Speed-Water-Cooled-3KW-spindle-motor-For-CNC-Milling-Sindle/1021965_32804288041.html
2017-04-29T12:21:38 < Steffanx> What to listen to after that crt? 10 hours of Gandal sax?
2017-04-29T12:24:17 < Steffanx> You need to video blog.
2017-04-29T12:27:19 < Steffanx> Look who is there. We almost missed you R2COM.
2017-04-29T12:28:01 < Steffanx> Dongs isn't around R2COM.
2017-04-29T12:31:42 < Steffanx> Do you have a picture of him in your living room?
2017-04-29T12:33:05 < BrainDamage> religious iconography
2017-04-29T12:33:34 < Steffanx> Does it look like https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bmgAw8ghKr8/maxresdefault.jpg ?
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2017-04-29T12:40:07 < Steffanx> Hah. YEAH.
2017-04-29T12:43:18 < Steffanx> So what will bring this day for you today R2COM?
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2017-04-29T12:45:31 < Steffanx> stm32 included?
2017-04-29T12:46:19 < Steffanx> Dont hurt the little fella
2017-04-29T12:47:03 < Steffanx> Dont break the pcb.
2017-04-29T12:48:05 < Steffanx> Ill send you my old mb.
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2017-04-29T12:54:26 < Steffanx> aussiedollar?
2017-04-29T12:56:37 < ohsix> jeeze, if you talk about anime on twitter people go nuts
2017-04-29T12:57:16 < Steffanx> Better keep it there ohsix.
2017-04-29T12:57:18 < ohsix> that's when you lower the price of drinks
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2017-04-29T12:57:42 < ohsix> why you hassling me bruh
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2017-04-29T13:08:45 < ohsix> the sentiment that came with me mentioning that was how easy it was to get likes and shit, if you just mention anime
2017-04-29T13:15:55 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/e4qiOhe.jpg
2017-04-29T13:19:21 < Steffanx> zyp. :P
2017-04-29T13:19:43 < Steffanx> and crt
2017-04-29T13:20:09 < BrainDamage> 700W AB amp, does it double as stove?
2017-04-29T13:20:47 < BrainDamage> best case scenario you have 175W on the transistors
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2017-04-29T13:38:36 < BrainDamage> https://www.google.com/patents/US3216423
2017-04-29T13:38:50 < BrainDamage> attnt Laurenceb
2017-04-29T13:38:57 < Steffanx> Laurence is that you?
2017-04-29T13:39:56 < BrainDamage> I love the catching net
2017-04-29T13:41:30  * Steffanx imagines crt with spikes and black cloths.
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2017-04-29T13:46:19 < Steffanx> lo
2017-04-29T13:51:18 < Steffanx> stvvn took em
2017-04-29T13:51:26 < englishman> no turkies, just wild kittens
2017-04-29T13:52:02 < Steffanx> you can eat those too.
2017-04-29T13:54:47 < ReadError> RIP dongs
2017-04-29T13:54:55 < Steffanx> What where?
2017-04-29T13:55:06 < ReadError> n.korea scared them into like
2017-04-29T13:55:09 < ReadError> hiding
2017-04-29T13:55:36 < Steffanx> oh new missle test?
2017-04-29T13:55:59 < ReadError> yea
2017-04-29T13:56:03 < ReadError> he can probably reach japan
2017-04-29T13:56:09 < ReadError> USA is too far, im safe
2017-04-29T13:56:32 < Steffanx> For now.
2017-04-29T14:00:04 < Steffanx> crt: https://imgur.com/gallery/TVDPC :)
2017-04-29T14:00:44 < BrainDamage> useless, they don't have internet
2017-04-29T14:00:50 < Steffanx> Thet do
2017-04-29T14:02:06 < Steffanx> and doesnt matter, its a joke BrainDamage. A joke.
2017-04-29T14:03:15 < BrainDamage> ... so was mine ...
2017-04-29T14:03:40 < Steffanx> Sorry, I'm never sure with you :P
2017-04-29T14:04:11 < BrainDamage> when in doubt I'm not serious, and even when you're sure
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2017-04-29T14:08:18 < Steffanx> http://media.dumpert.nl/tablet/_001dd24e_YTDL_1.mp4.mp4.mp4 Musics ( and found dongs )
2017-04-29T14:10:32 < englishman> https://gfycat.com/NearInsignificantBlackandtancoonhound
2017-04-29T14:50:31 < Steffanx> :S
2017-04-29T14:53:23 < Steffanx> ok
2017-04-29T14:59:44 < Ultrasauce> .mp4.mp4.mp4
2017-04-29T14:59:54 < Steffanx> i bet that is some inside joke.
2017-04-29T15:01:07 < Ultrasauce> i think you can put arbitrary data inside an mp4 container
2017-04-29T15:01:14 < Ultrasauce> so triple-encapsulation is not inconceivable
2017-04-29T15:05:57 < Ultrasauce> clearly that is not the case because the browser happily plays it
2017-04-29T15:14:54 < sync> dumpert always is that way
2017-04-29T15:15:18 < sync> maybe they have been blazing too much while coding that shit
2017-04-29T15:19:13 < Steffanx> You dont want to know.
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2017-04-29T15:25:26 < sync> I always like driving over the Afsluitdijk at the IJsselmeer
2017-04-29T15:25:46 < Steffanx> never been there
2017-04-29T15:26:59 < sync> and the little bumps in the autobahn because they didn't want to build bridges over the channels
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2017-04-29T15:31:31 < Steffanx> And then you go to a coffeeshop to get stoned?
2017-04-29T15:35:11 < sync> no Steffanx
2017-04-29T15:35:36 < sync> I wouldn't have to drive over the dam there, I could just drive in through amsterdam
2017-04-29T15:35:49 < sync> with the .... 7 lane autobahn limited to 60kmh
2017-04-29T15:37:28 < sync> only after heating them over your coffee
2017-04-29T15:37:57 < Steffanx> No better dont crt.
2017-04-29T15:55:07 < englishman> https://www.troyhunt.com/content/images/2017/04/virus-noises.jpg
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2017-04-29T16:47:41 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/h2Hvjcf
2017-04-29T16:47:47 < Laurenceb_> I'm a bad, bad person
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2017-04-29T16:54:48  * englishman eats a coffeewafel
2017-04-29T16:55:20 < englishman> Laurenceb_ this is the 2nd time youve linked an image with resolution too shitty to see anything
2017-04-29T16:55:36 < englishman> if you are going to repost spicy memes, do so with the respect this channel deserves please.
2017-04-29T16:55:47 < Laurenceb_> yet another reason I'm a bad person
2017-04-29T16:59:34 < Steffanx> Damn crt.
2017-04-29T16:59:39 < Steffanx> Are you ok?
2017-04-29T17:00:09 < Steffanx> Oh nvm its only 00.00
2017-04-29T17:00:52 < englishman> saturday nite
2017-04-29T17:07:20 < Laurenceb_> crt is just looking forward to his UK visit
2017-04-29T17:07:31 < Laurenceb_> thats why he always talks about pumping
2017-04-29T17:07:49 < Laurenceb_> he will soon be pumping his "pump" cumpany
2017-04-29T17:10:49 < Laurenceb_> soon we will have "service droid by crt"
2017-04-29T17:12:21 < Steffanx> He'll pumping at European Times.
2017-04-29T17:13:10 < Steffanx> Best times.
2017-04-29T17:21:27 < Steffanx> You must be super amazing cool good that those uklanders want you crt
2017-04-29T17:21:37 < Steffanx> Do they know about your irc life?
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2017-04-29T17:34:42 < Thorn> http://www.potatosemi.com/
2017-04-29T17:34:54 < Steffanx> not even peter crt?
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2017-04-29T18:04:06 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/bf31c7ff06/14217.png
2017-04-29T18:10:15 < englishman> lol Thorn
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2017-04-29T18:40:59 < Rob235> hmm, I think I should swap the bno055 back with the mpu9250  and switch to fast reading rates without sensor fusion, I don't think 100 hz is fast enough... Plus I have to rewrite my PID loops
2017-04-29T18:54:29 < sync> why do you have to rewrite your pid loop?
2017-04-29T18:55:23 < Rob235> I only used a single loop, I want to switch it to an inner and outer loop
2017-04-29T18:58:17 < Rob235> much easier to implement different flight modes and probably works better that way too
2017-04-29T18:59:02 < sync> which is how I told you to do it maybe half a year ago
2017-04-29T18:59:29 < Rob235> thats when I stopped working on it. I just restarted yesterday
2017-04-29T19:00:11 < Rob235> I've been meaning to change the pid for a while, just as I said though, havent been working on it
2017-04-29T19:03:24 < Rob235> maybe I'll use both the bno055 and the mpu9250 and compare them at 100 hz, although if I finally design my own pcb I'd probably just use two mpu9250's
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2017-04-29T20:27:34 < ReadError> englishman: murder any burds?
2017-04-29T20:29:08 < englishman> nah
2017-04-29T20:29:13 < englishman> scared the shit out of a kitty tho
2017-04-29T20:29:34 < ReadError> them fuckers even in season?
2017-04-29T20:29:48 < englishman> turkey started yesterday yeah
2017-04-29T20:29:51 < englishman> i went out at 4am
2017-04-29T20:29:52 < englishman> waited around
2017-04-29T20:29:57 < englishman> come back, leave at 9 to go to work
2017-04-29T20:30:10 < ReadError> you missed an 4m35s bigmatix pump
2017-04-29T20:30:16 < ReadError> voiced world record
2017-04-29T20:30:18 < englishman> and see this on the side of teh road http://i.imgur.com/4c0hvqi.jpg
2017-04-29T20:30:35 < ReadError> oh can you shoot from roadside in canada?
2017-04-29T20:31:08 < Steffanx> englishman brings his guns to work?
2017-04-29T20:31:40 < englishman> well i think you ahve to be 10ft away or something
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2017-04-29T20:35:05 < Steffanx> Im still curious. Do you own a gun ReadError?
2017-04-29T20:35:37 < kakimir> I bought stroopwaffles
2017-04-29T20:35:55 < ReadError> Steffanx: nope
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2017-04-29T20:36:43 < Steffanx> yay kakimir
2017-04-29T20:36:58 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWlo5N2huODMzS1U/view?usp=sharing
2017-04-29T20:37:05 < kakimir> not as good as yours
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2017-04-29T20:40:20 < Steffanx> hah :D
2017-04-29T20:41:35 < englishman> yum
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2017-04-29T21:00:52 < Rob235> can you get access to altiums design content with a trial license?
2017-04-29T21:04:25 < Rob235> oh I got it
2017-04-29T21:07:38 < qyx> whats that potaatosemi
2017-04-29T21:11:17 < qyx> y u no swimming
2017-04-29T21:11:19 < qyx> https://www.aktuality.sk/clanok/467634/foto-v-rokline-slovenskeho-raja-boli-tesne-pred-zatvorenim/
2017-04-29T21:11:25 < qyx> floods again
2017-04-29T21:11:52 < qyx> some people got stuck on a hiking trail
2017-04-29T21:17:52 < Steffanx> How much alcohol did you have qyx?
2017-04-29T21:18:32 < qyx> why?
2017-04-29T21:19:37 < Steffanx> "whats that potaatosemi" "y u no swimming". Couldnt make much of that :P
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2017-04-29T21:19:57 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/SFxyaXE.jpg
2017-04-29T21:19:59 < Steffanx> Welcome blender artist.
2017-04-29T21:20:10 < qyx> aha, the first was related to thorn's link
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2017-04-29T21:58:46 < upgrdman> lol, fucking TSA   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbi6E8Medb4
2017-04-29T22:02:07 < Rob235> hah did the officer yell stay up instead of stay down
2017-04-29T22:08:37 < Laurenceb_> this is how I ride http://www.isengard.co.uk/images/JPEGS/Goose_KH28-4-17PH.jpg
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2017-04-29T22:45:45 < Laurenceb_> probuct idea : hardware javascript disable button
2017-04-29T22:45:51 < Laurenceb_> *product
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2017-04-29T23:03:16 < Steffanx> do you actually own a car Laurenceb? ( Im curious what kind of automobile you would drive )
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2017-04-29T23:03:46 < branjb> prob a prius
2017-04-29T23:03:48 < zyp> Steffanx, do you?
2017-04-29T23:04:02 < englishman> i dont think he has a license
2017-04-29T23:04:18 < Steffanx> i do. an italian one zyp.
2017-04-29T23:04:33 < Steffanx> He has a license according to my tabs.
2017-04-29T23:04:37 < englishman> a huge punto
2017-04-29T23:04:48 < Steffanx> affirmative.
2017-04-29T23:05:30 < zyp> heh, I had to google which car brands are actually italian, didn't know they made cars
2017-04-29T23:05:38 < englishman> !
2017-04-29T23:05:40 < englishman> really?
2017-04-29T23:05:50 < Steffanx> How can you not know Fiat.
2017-04-29T23:05:59 < Steffanx> Ferrari?
2017-04-29T23:06:02 < englishman> fiat, alfa, maserati, ferrari, zonda, lamborghini, lancia
2017-04-29T23:06:04 < zyp> I know fiat, just not that they were italian
2017-04-29T23:06:06 < zyp> also alfa
2017-04-29T23:06:23 < zyp> and the cars that are too expensive for Steffanx, they don't count
2017-04-29T23:07:33 < Steffanx> Maybe im a secret billionair
2017-04-29T23:08:01 < englishman> are you talking shit about my man Steffanx
2017-04-29T23:08:12 < zyp> oh, I drove a fiat ducato rental a year ago, that sounds italian
2017-04-29T23:08:19 < englishman> implying he's not ferrari-worthy
2017-04-29T23:08:36 < Steffanx> i would never drive a ferrari though. Not in this country.
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2017-04-29T23:09:03 < Steffanx> Too many speed bumps and maximum speed at high ways.
2017-04-29T23:09:21 < Steffanx> = 130km/h
2017-04-29T23:12:15 < Steffanx> Nah its not talking shit anyway. We all know R2COM is ferrari worthy, englishman.
2017-04-29T23:12:31 < Steffanx> *only R2COM
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2017-04-29T23:21:53 < zyp> let op, drempels
2017-04-29T23:22:16 < Steffanx> lolwut zyp?
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2017-04-29T23:23:53 < zyp> that's about how far my knowledge of nl-language goes
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2017-04-29T23:26:35 < Steffanx> but yeah it's relevant in dutchland
2017-04-29T23:42:34 < englishman> should i rent a tesla for my birfday and ball around in it on some saturday night
2017-04-29T23:44:14 < Steffanx> Booze and hookers.
2017-04-29T23:44:30 < englishman> no drinking and driving. so cocaine only
2017-04-29T23:45:24 < Steffanx> When do you age englishman?
2017-04-29T23:45:35 < englishman> always
2017-04-29T23:46:27 < Steffanx> You must be old.
2017-04-29T23:58:52 < Laurenceb_> go on tindrrrr, who needs hookers
2017-04-29T23:59:18 < Laurenceb_> I screwed a Hungarian
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2017-04-30T00:00:08 < Laurenceb_> oh wait that wasnt a good idea
2017-04-30T00:00:42 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ what kind of car do you really drive?
2017-04-30T00:01:00 < Laurenceb_> vauxhall corsa
2017-04-30T00:01:14 < Steffanx> Opel. Achso.
2017-04-30T00:01:29 < Laurenceb_> same thing, yeah
2017-04-30T00:08:15 < Steffanx> What year?
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2017-04-30T00:14:46 < Laurenceb_> 1998
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2017-04-30T00:31:59 < zyp> hmm, what's a good cable to board connector if I want a bunch of current-carrying wires and a bunch of signals?
2017-04-30T00:33:01 < zyp> say 8-10 lines of 4A/conductor and maybe 12+ signal wires?
2017-04-30T00:36:03 < zyp> I'm considering maybe molex mini-fit jr for the current wires
2017-04-30T00:39:47 < zyp> actually, that seems like a pretty decent idea, molex even has premade overmolded cables
2017-04-30T00:39:50 < zyp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/molex-llc/2451351010/WM15761-ND/6564778
2017-04-30T00:45:56 < fenugrec> split power and signal and use 2 connectors ?
2017-04-30T00:47:47 < fenugrec> or, multiple smaller conductors for power and use a >30pin connector for everything ? Assuming you won't go with a custom housing with multiple pin sizes
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2017-04-30T01:36:35 < englishman> Laurenceb_: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2033983624/doctor-who-pilot-as-a-american-version
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2017-04-30T01:58:12 < branjb> englishman: is that a joke or is the maker autistic?
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2017-04-30T02:00:57 < englishman> i dono but it's not stm32-related and i apologize for posting it.
2017-04-30T02:01:12 < englishman> in stm32 news, i am pro at smt assembly now
2017-04-30T02:01:31 < englishman> there is no component too fine pitch to place, no aperture too small to paste
2017-04-30T02:01:45 < branjb> flux + paste + hot air is magic
2017-04-30T02:02:00 < englishman> branjb
2017-04-30T02:02:07 < englishman> i have graduated from that
2017-04-30T02:02:12 < branjb> oh not me
2017-04-30T02:02:29 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QYRR1tFpvk
2017-04-30T02:02:49 < branjb> that yours?
2017-04-30T02:02:52 < englishman> yes
2017-04-30T02:02:59 < branjb> custom?
2017-04-30T02:03:07 < branjb> wait
2017-04-30T02:03:07 < branjb> liar
2017-04-30T02:03:14 < branjb> the text is in asian
2017-04-30T02:03:37 < englishman> its a chinese dicknplace
2017-04-30T02:03:45 < branjb> haha
2017-04-30T02:04:02 < branjb> how much?
2017-04-30T02:04:42 < englishman> i think with the feeders and oven im in for like 25k now
2017-04-30T02:04:54 < branjb> how much has it made you?
2017-04-30T02:05:24 < englishman> almost that
2017-04-30T02:05:28 < branjb> o
2017-04-30T02:05:42 < branjb> hot air and paste for me
2017-04-30T02:05:52 < englishman> the difference now is it's not a complete time sink
2017-04-30T02:05:55 < branjb> since my work makes me negative dollars
2017-04-30T02:06:18 < englishman> but not bad for 6 months
2017-04-30T02:06:50 < branjb> i thought hardware profit was dead in the US
2017-04-30T02:07:31 < englishman> good thing im not in usa
2017-04-30T02:07:37 < branjb> o
2017-04-30T02:07:44 < ReadError> dr who sux
2017-04-30T02:07:47 < ReadError> way overrated
2017-04-30T02:07:57 < englishman> but like 100% of clients are
2017-04-30T02:09:21 < branjb> weird
2017-04-30T02:10:16 < englishman> oh ReadError
2017-04-30T02:10:22 < englishman> i mirc'd a squirrel just now
2017-04-30T02:10:24 < englishman> does that count
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2017-04-30T02:10:50 < ReadError> better eat it or its bad
2017-04-30T02:10:58 < ReadError> and you should /upgrade weechat
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2017-04-30T02:11:08 < englishman> yea thanks freenode
2017-04-30T02:11:28 < ReadError> if you didnt already get killed
2017-04-30T02:11:31 < ReadError> (which u did)
2017-04-30T02:11:38 < ReadError> you can do the upgrade w/o disconnect
2017-04-30T02:11:55 < englishman> wut
2017-04-30T02:12:04 < englishman> why kilt
2017-04-30T02:12:28 < ReadError> idk but they gotcha
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2017-04-30T02:12:36 < englishman> i cant even glowingbear
2017-04-30T02:12:40 < ReadError> 6:28 PM ⇐ +dieforir1 quit (dieforirc@pumper.pro) Read error: Connection reset by peer
2017-04-30T02:12:45 < ReadError> yea it was cr8shed
2017-04-30T02:13:06 < englishman> oh is there a srs vuln
2017-04-30T02:13:26 < englishman> oh
2017-04-30T02:13:33 < englishman> maybe i should actually read what freenode sent
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2017-04-30T02:14:10 < dongcopter> 🍆 
DCC SEND " 1.2.3.4 1337 1
 💊
2017-04-30T02:14:16 < englishman> meh, will restart on monday
2017-04-30T02:14:21 < englishman> password and crap are all on work pc
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2017-04-30T02:14:34 < englishman> hhaahaha
2017-04-30T02:14:39 < englishman> cor real
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2017-04-30T02:15:11 < dongcopter> ./exec -o /bin/echo -e "\x01DCC SEND \" 1.2.3.4 1337 1\x01"
2017-04-30T02:15:19 < dongcopter> lets join big channales and paste
2017-04-30T02:15:31 < englishman> lol
2017-04-30T02:15:32 < dongcopter> omg reprap
2017-04-30T02:15:41 < englishman> wait
2017-04-30T02:15:48 < branjb> reprap is a terrible channel
2017-04-30T02:15:49 < englishman> ok i joined
2017-04-30T02:16:04 < ReadError> already did
2017-04-30T02:16:15 < dongcopter> lets do ##electronics !
2017-04-30T02:16:16 < dongcopter> join up
2017-04-30T02:16:42 < ReadError> u there?
2017-04-30T02:16:44 < englishman> haha
2017-04-30T02:16:46 < englishman> im in there
2017-04-30T02:17:20 < dongcopter> hmmhmm
2017-04-30T02:17:22 < dongcopter> suggesstions
2017-04-30T02:17:35 < dongcopter> i cant send to ##electronics
2017-04-30T02:17:44 < dongcopter> #linux ?
2017-04-30T02:17:54 < branjb> ##linux
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2017-04-30T02:18:16 < englishman> fuck, i have to relearn all the screen commands
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2017-04-30T02:19:11 < branjb> dongs
2017-04-30T02:19:14 < branjb> do ##security
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2017-04-30T02:20:17 < ReadError> k
2017-04-30T02:20:31 < ReadError> fuck need to identify
2017-04-30T02:20:36 < ReadError> uhh 1sec
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2017-04-30T02:21:32 < dieforirc> wtf
2017-04-30T02:21:40 < dongcopter> omg
2017-04-30T02:21:41 < dongcopter> ready
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2017-04-30T02:21:46 < dongcopter> #security
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2017-04-30T02:22:48 < dongcopter> hmm fuck
2017-04-30T02:22:52 < dongcopter> cant send to channel
2017-04-30T02:22:59 < dongcopter> uh
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2017-04-30T02:23:55 < branjb> #weechat
2017-04-30T02:24:16 < ReadError> hahah
2017-04-30T02:24:16 < ReadError> ok
2017-04-30T02:24:52 < dongcopter> wtf
2017-04-30T02:24:58 < dongcopter> i think freenode blocked it?
2017-04-30T02:25:02 < dongcopter> for me
2017-04-30T02:25:26 < englishman> fucking weechat
2017-04-30T02:25:52 < englishman> how do you get to the main buffer
2017-04-30T02:25:54 < dongcopter> mang it worked once
2017-04-30T02:25:58 < dongcopter> esc-1
2017-04-30T02:26:04 < dongcopter> or hit alt-1
2017-04-30T02:26:26 < englishman> doesnt select it
2017-04-30T02:26:32 < englishman> it has no number next to it
2017-04-30T02:26:42 < englishman> alt+arrows doesnt scroll to it
2017-04-30T02:27:04 < ReadError> or /buffer core.weechat
2017-04-30T02:27:24 < englishman> hmm that works
2017-04-30T02:27:29 < sync> lawl
2017-04-30T02:27:30 < englishman> but now freenode has no number
2017-04-30T02:27:31 < englishman> lol
2017-04-30T02:27:47 < englishman> and /upgrade does not upgrade
2017-04-30T02:27:58 < sync> I upgraded like yesterday because my old weechat crashed w/o someone fucking with it
2017-04-30T02:28:00 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xOZpbC2w/hardchatters.png
2017-04-30T02:28:10 < ReadError> thats how mine looks
2017-04-30T02:28:22 < ReadError> aww i clipped the D/U meter
2017-04-30T02:28:36 < englishman> i have
2017-04-30T02:28:38 < englishman> 1. weechat
2017-04-30T02:28:40 < englishman>    freenode
2017-04-30T02:28:45 < englishman> 2. #achannel
2017-04-30T02:29:00 < englishman> freenode can not be selected
2017-04-30T02:29:02 < ReadError> oh i use the other buffer
2017-04-30T02:29:05 < sync> lol what kind of stalker plugin is that ReadError
2017-04-30T02:29:08 < ReadError> so merge it w/ core
2017-04-30T02:29:45 < englishman> its only been like 3 weeks and already im going to be fucking with lunix for hours
2017-04-30T02:29:48 < ReadError> commorkers.pl             0.2    0.2     2015-06-22 | Analyze channels nicklists to find common lurkers.
2017-04-30T02:29:51 < englishman> maybe irccloud isnt so bad
2017-04-30T02:30:00 < ReadError> idk i use tmux
2017-04-30T02:30:04 < ReadError> and everything works fine
2017-04-30T02:30:27 < englishman> so how do i upgrade weechat
2017-04-30T02:30:31 < englishman> google tells me nothing
2017-04-30T02:30:43 < ReadError> you need to apt-get install weechat-devel
2017-04-30T02:30:46 < ReadError> or
2017-04-30T02:30:54 < ReadError> apt-get upgrade weechat
2017-04-30T02:30:58 < ReadError> after doing an update
2017-04-30T02:31:00 < englishman> oh
2017-04-30T02:31:05 < ReadError> then you run /upgrade
2017-04-30T02:31:05 < englishman> so cannot do it within weechat.
2017-04-30T02:31:14 < ReadError> nah it needs root level
2017-04-30T02:31:16 < ReadError> access
2017-04-30T02:32:03 < sync> I just restarted weechad
2017-04-30T02:32:10 < sync> because #yolo
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2017-04-30T02:35:58 < ReadError> the /upgrade works
2017-04-30T02:36:18 < englishman> shit weechat didnt save any settings
2017-04-30T02:36:39 < ReadError> you /save ?
2017-04-30T02:36:50 < englishman> are you serious
2017-04-30T02:36:51 < ReadError> you want my cfg?
2017-04-30T02:38:56 < ReadError> also you using /iset ?
2017-04-30T02:40:31 < englishman> whats that
2017-04-30T02:40:38 < englishman> you know theres a fucking million /shit
2017-04-30T02:41:05 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SVwxjkNX/isettin.png
2017-04-30T02:41:17 < ReadError> it shows u all the /set options and description
2017-04-30T02:41:22 < ReadError> and you can just type to search'
2017-04-30T02:41:37 < englishman> unknown command
2017-04-30T02:41:49 < ReadError> uh
2017-04-30T02:41:52 < englishman> still working on getting the relay working again
2017-04-30T02:41:53 < ReadError> do /script install iset
2017-04-30T02:42:06 < englishman> script iset not found
2017-04-30T02:42:23 < sync> wtf is with your buffer list ReadError
2017-04-30T02:42:23 < ReadError> then once iset.pl
2017-04-30T02:42:28 < ReadError> u know alt tab works too
2017-04-30T02:42:31 < ReadError> if you have it set right
2017-04-30T02:42:33 < ReadError> err just tab
2017-04-30T02:42:39 < englishman> i think il deal with this when i have severl hours again
2017-04-30T02:42:41 < ReadError> sync: what about it
2017-04-30T02:42:46 < ReadError> ohh
2017-04-30T02:42:48 < sync> it is double
2017-04-30T02:42:48 < ReadError> i upgraded
2017-04-30T02:42:59 < ReadError> and dev has its own internal one
2017-04-30T02:43:07 < ReadError> i hadnt hidden it yet
2017-04-30T02:43:08 < englishman> as i dont have time to fuck with lunix for hours right now
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2017-04-30T02:44:27 < ReadError> learning curve is steep
2017-04-30T02:44:29 < ReadError> but ez
2017-04-30T02:44:53 < englishman> sucks that lunix is textmode
2017-04-30T02:45:11 < englishman> with different keyboard commands for every app, shell and extension
2017-04-30T02:45:12 < upgrdman> lol, there's actually a Potato Semiconductor Corporation  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rRRvgjLjZU
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2017-04-30T02:46:56 < branjb> i write potato code
2017-04-30T02:47:05 < ReadError> englishmn mouse works tho
2017-04-30T02:47:49 < englishman> do i seriously have to /save, fuck
2017-04-30T02:47:59 < englishman> what is this, word 95
2017-04-30T02:51:03 < sync> yes
2017-04-30T02:54:19 < Laurenceb_> ooh its Trump tiem
2017-04-30T02:54:33 < Laurenceb_> Harris(((burg)))
2017-04-30T02:54:49 < ReadError> well by default its nice
2017-04-30T02:54:57 < ReadError> since you can break shit and just revert
2017-04-30T02:57:29 < Laurenceb_> what the fudge https://twitter.com/empressevalion
2017-04-30T02:57:45 < Laurenceb_> must not fap to the obvious troll
2017-04-30T02:58:08 < ReadError> Laurenceb_:
2017-04-30T02:58:13 < ReadError> u watch this last dark web
2017-04-30T02:58:15 < ReadError> dark net
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2017-04-30T03:02:46 < englishman> Laurenceb_: that chick was on lrh last year
2017-04-30T03:03:32 < Laurenceb_> and you were fappin, amirite?
2017-04-30T03:03:51 < Laurenceb_> ED has nudes
2017-04-30T03:04:31 < englishman> nah when she ran out of taglines it was pretty sad
2017-04-30T03:04:36 < englishman> low content poster
2017-04-30T03:05:15 < Laurenceb_> looks like she is back with new trollin ideaz
2017-04-30T03:06:24 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/ogkloeri?lang=en
2017-04-30T03:06:26 < ReadError> real
2017-04-30T03:06:38 < ReadError> famous freenode ircop
2017-04-30T03:06:59 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-04-30T03:07:29 < Laurenceb_> lunix 4 wiggerz
2017-04-30T03:12:44 < Laurenceb_> wew I got trolled by ED
2017-04-30T03:13:13 < Laurenceb_> "the Evalion nudes are CP, so we have removed them from the page below"
2017-04-30T03:13:37 < Laurenceb_> scroll down getting nudes followed by chrishanson.jpg
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2017-04-30T03:48:57 < Laurenceb_> STRONG. WEALTHY. PROSPER. PROUD. SAFE. GREAT
2017-04-30T03:49:11 < branjb> MAGA
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2017-04-30T04:10:12 < c4017_> I pressed P-Y instead of P-T in altium and the grid dissapeared. what do?
2017-04-30T04:10:27 < branjb> ctrl z
2017-04-30T04:10:36 < c4017_> doesnt do anything
2017-04-30T04:10:39 < branjb> RIP
2017-04-30T04:10:48 < c4017_> even the grid manager says its enabled
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2017-04-30T05:04:42 < dieforirc> ReadError: https://github.com/weechat/weechat/commit/2fb346f25f79e412cf0ed314fdf791763c19b70b
2017-04-30T05:04:46 < dieforirc> an off by one error lol
2017-04-30T05:05:07 < ReadError> heh
2017-04-30T05:05:19 < ReadError> ooops
2017-04-30T05:06:14 < ohsix> http://elevation.wikia.com/wiki/PTL there's a wiki all about elevators
2017-04-30T05:10:43 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBERTNSuZR8 elevator haxoring, doesn't get super interesting until keys
2017-04-30T05:12:17 < ohsix> big basic bullshit is that the fire keys are standardized, and the keys are ~easy to get, just use a fire key and you can bypass any restrictions
2017-04-30T05:12:58 < ohsix> heheh ordering a new lock or keybox with default key, cuz nobody changes them
2017-04-30T05:15:07 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kone-1-FEOK1-K1-Elevator-Firefighter-Operation-Key-/191894221947?hash=item2cadc9747b:g:cLIAAOSwr81UQXVk lul
2017-04-30T05:17:34 < branjb> I bet you could 3d print a fire key
2017-04-30T05:51:50 < branjb> is there a standard for what is vdd/gnd in a red/white wiring scheme?
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2017-04-30T05:53:14 < machinehum> chibiOS is amazing
2017-04-30T05:53:32 < machinehum> I think it's the best open source project i've even used
2017-04-30T05:53:36 < machinehum> Like ever
2017-04-30T05:53:45 < branjb> open source is cancer
2017-04-30T05:53:58 < englishman> 🍁 CANADIAN ALERT 🍁
2017-04-30T05:55:08 < branjb> if my v and gnd wires for a pot are red and white does it make any difference if they are reverse polarity or not?
2017-04-30T05:55:40 < englishman> if you care about its position yes
2017-04-30T05:55:46 < branjb> what if i don't
2017-04-30T05:56:03 < englishman> then it doesnt
2017-04-30T05:56:27 < branjb> so is white gnd in a red/white wire scheme?
2017-04-30T05:58:35 < englishman> id do it that way yea
2017-04-30T05:59:23 < branjb> wondering why black is my divider instead of white
2017-04-30T05:59:27 < branjb> that makes more sense to me
2017-04-30T05:59:37 < branjb> but there is like 99% chance the order was completely random
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2017-04-30T07:03:44 < ReadError> dongs:
2017-04-30T07:04:18 < ReadError> 'otaku'
2017-04-30T07:08:44 < upgrdman> whats the name for the cable with 3.5mm headphone male connectors on both ends
2017-04-30T07:08:52 < ReadError> TRS
2017-04-30T07:08:53 < upgrdman> its not an "extension" but a... what?
2017-04-30T07:09:01 < upgrdman> well the whole cable
2017-04-30T07:09:10 < branjb> 3.5mm headphone cable
2017-04-30T07:09:10 < branjb> ?
2017-04-30T07:09:18 < branjb> jack
2017-04-30T07:09:20 < ReadError> idk just look for the connector name
2017-04-30T07:09:31 < ReadError> aux cable
2017-04-30T07:09:35 < ReadError> might get u hits
2017-04-30T07:09:39 < upgrdman> oh, amazon shows lots of "audio cable"
2017-04-30T07:09:46 < upgrdman> hmm aux, will try that too
2017-04-30T07:09:46 < upgrdman> thx
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2017-04-30T07:48:08 < dongs> aux cable is what non-audiophools call it
2017-04-30T07:50:05 < ReadError> what do pros call it
2017-04-30T07:50:26 < dongs> oxygen-free jitter reduction conduit
2017-04-30T07:52:36 < ReadError> nice
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2017-04-30T09:07:49 < branjb> monster
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2017-04-30T09:20:19 < upgrdman> heh. just finished Portal. this was literally the first game i ever "finished" ... damn, that was quick
2017-04-30T09:20:30 < upgrdman> like 2 evenings
2017-04-30T09:20:38 < upgrdman> maybe 3
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2017-04-30T09:39:34 < dongs> why did y ou pick the most unfunny game of the century to try and play
2017-04-30T09:39:46 < dongs> portal was nothign but rage inducing garbage like 2 levels in
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2017-04-30T09:42:24 < dongs> damn this chinese usb3.1 cable is QUALITY
2017-04-30T09:42:34 < dongs> each 5ghz pair is individually twisted/wrapped in shield
2017-04-30T09:42:44 < dongs> and the wire gauge actually matches the standard
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2017-04-30T09:47:30 < qyx> anyone used a supercap for the VBAT power?
2017-04-30T09:47:35 < dongs> yes
2017-04-30T09:47:37 < dongs> zyp did
2017-04-30T09:47:48 < dongs> some SMT panasonic thing
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2017-04-30T09:48:18 < dongs> http://uk.farnell.com/panasonic-electronic-components/eecen0f204rk/cap-double-0-2f-3-3v-smd/dp/1305071
2017-04-30T09:48:21 < dongs> iirc this
2017-04-30T09:48:39 < dongs> or something from that seeries that was not EOL
2017-04-30T09:49:51 < upgrdman> when using 0.2F, how long will it last as VBAT?
2017-04-30T09:51:41 < kOStiX> almost finished building this thing  http://imgur.com/a/Kym6P
2017-04-30T09:53:39 < qyx> upgrdman: that was my next question
2017-04-30T09:54:07 < qyx> there is some online calculator for this for sure
2017-04-30T09:58:40 < qyx> VBAT minimum operating voltage is 1.65V, current is about 1uA
2017-04-30T09:58:56 < qyx> it should take about 450000s to discharge from 3.3V to 1.65V
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2017-04-30T10:20:14 < zyp> upgrdman, I estimated four days, but I haven't tested in practice
2017-04-30T10:20:23 < upgrdman> cool
2017-04-30T10:20:56 < zyp> that sounds similar to qyx' figure
2017-04-30T10:21:02 < upgrdman> on stm32, vbat is just for rtc + a few registers, right?
2017-04-30T10:21:07 < dongs> yes
2017-04-30T10:21:11 < zyp> depends on the stm32
2017-04-30T10:21:18 < dongs> what else could it be for?
2017-04-30T10:21:19 < zyp> F4 also has backupsram
2017-04-30T10:21:21 < dongs> more backup sram?
2017-04-30T10:21:21 < dongs> k
2017-04-30T10:21:26 < zyp> which is like 4k
2017-04-30T10:21:52 < upgrdman> 4k "nvram" ... hmmm that could have been useful in an old work project
2017-04-30T10:26:14 < dongs> HDMI
2017-04-30T10:26:27 < dongs> speaking of useless shit, supposedly HDMI2.1 spec does 48gbps per cable
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2017-04-30T10:27:02 < dongs> enabling everyday life through innovation
2017-04-30T10:29:22 < ohsix> sup
2017-04-30T10:29:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: i got some data earlie rfrom accel/mag mounted to helmet on bike/scooter if you want some sweet, hot data
2017-04-30T10:30:20 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol not sure what i'd do with that
2017-04-30T10:30:22 < ohsix> aslo portal was easy huh?
2017-04-30T10:30:33 < ohsix> turn on the developer commentary and play the first area, get sad
2017-04-30T10:30:33 < dongs> become an autistic fuck, without a doubt
2017-04-30T10:30:36 < dongs> avoid at all costs.
2017-04-30T10:30:39 < upgrdman> ohsix, pretty much. i only need to look at a guide twice :(
2017-04-30T10:30:49 < ohsix> heh
2017-04-30T10:30:52 < ohsix> weird
2017-04-30T10:31:05 < ohsix> i mean, i did this when i was a kid, but i take a break and come back to something :p
2017-04-30T10:31:13 < ohsix> the internet has shit up having fun a lot
2017-04-30T10:31:36 < ohsix> upgrdman: friend of mine wanted it to build a head mounted thing that reacts to some stuff going on
2017-04-30T10:31:42 < ohsix> like deceleration
2017-04-30T10:31:57 < upgrdman> ya i do that too. but sometime things just dont become apparent to me
2017-04-30T10:32:24 < upgrdman> anyway off to bed, i spent too much time recording/editing that last youtube video
2017-04-30T10:32:31 < ohsix> huhu i know you're being honest but i'll never get over you saying stuff like that :p
2017-04-30T10:32:42 < ohsix> o shi, you post a new one? i didn't get beeped
2017-04-30T10:32:44 < upgrdman> and usps didnt delivery my digikey order, so im cuck'd until monday, when i can record the part2 video
2017-04-30T10:32:55 < dongs> wheres part 1
2017-04-30T10:33:06 < ohsix> oh haha
2017-04-30T10:33:10 < ohsix> 19 minutes ago, sweet
2017-04-30T10:33:16 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dZ2LKe7660
2017-04-30T10:33:24 < upgrdman> just diy pcb, you'll hate it
2017-04-30T10:33:27 < dongs> lol...
2017-04-30T10:33:39 < ohsix> you shold save that orange u profile picture, in case google changes their design
2017-04-30T10:33:44 < dongs> you should make a pcb proptotyping video
2017-04-30T10:33:48 < dongs> that shows how to order from allpcb.com
2017-04-30T10:34:12 < upgrdman> dongs, but then i dont get sweet commission when people buy pcb chemicals from my amazon links
2017-04-30T10:34:23 < dongs> haha
2017-04-30T10:34:27 < ohsix> i need math nerds to help me out turning that data into something
2017-04-30T10:34:34 < ohsix> so i can explain it withotu just handing people a book
2017-04-30T10:34:56 < ohsix> the pal is trying to use just an accelerometer, cuz gps is expensive in money and battery
2017-04-30T10:35:44 < ohsix> i was thinking while getting the bike data, i figured out why people use voltage to frequency converters ... you can filter them
2017-04-30T10:36:18 < ohsix> which for, say, the speed of what i'm doing, if you turned speed to a fm signal, you can bandpass it to only have output between discrete speeds
2017-04-30T10:36:55 < ohsix> since speed is a derived value and not just like a potentiometer position, it's hard to do other ways
2017-04-30T10:37:21 < dongs> see if allpcb will give you a referrer deal
2017-04-30T10:37:36 < upgrdman> k
2017-04-30T10:38:13 < ohsix> i basically want a time frame for regions with a certain steepness
2017-04-30T10:38:50 < ohsix> (maximum steepness is based on riders ability, and on the way down the effectiveness of the brakes ... or the wall you smash into)
2017-04-30T10:38:58 < ohsix> does this sound like nonsense or wut
2017-04-30T10:39:50 < upgrdman> ohsix, it sounds like i need sleep because that sounds simple but i have no fucking idea what to do
2017-04-30T10:39:52 < upgrdman> bbl
2017-04-30T10:39:55 < ohsix> k
2017-04-30T10:39:57 < ohsix> cu
2017-04-30T10:40:15 < ohsix> i might actually have to work this out on paper in the end huhu
2017-04-30T10:41:38 < ohsix> this kind of gibberish is the fruiting phase of understanding, olol
2017-04-30T10:41:46 < upgrdman> hmmm so you just want to be trigger when velocity is in some region?
2017-04-30T10:42:13 < ohsix> i want to know when the acceleration fits a certain profile (in length and severity/slope)
2017-04-30T10:42:16 < dongs> racist trigger
2017-04-30T10:42:30 < ohsix> and it needs to be some sort of filter cuz i can't look back through a ton of samples
2017-04-30T10:42:43 < ohsix> but, i was just talking to myself, you should sleep
2017-04-30T10:42:52 < ohsix> i'll have real chats about it on monday
2017-04-30T10:42:52 < upgrdman> ohsix, dunno, maybe a state machine with different velocities that advance/reset the state
2017-04-30T10:42:57 < upgrdman> k
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2017-04-30T10:44:42 < ohsix> as much as i like acko.net, it only just ocurred to me to watch the animation slides again
2017-04-30T10:44:53  * ohsix download new mathematica
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2017-04-30T10:54:48 < ohsix> nothing
2017-04-30T10:55:07 < ohsix> there's a kg but i've not bothered with it recently, there are open license servers on the web
2017-04-30T10:55:17 < ohsix> the online version is free
2017-04-30T10:55:35 < dongs> AMP6 only chooses free
2017-04-30T10:56:36 < ohsix> hrm
2017-04-30T10:56:49 < ohsix> 155-300 a year
2017-04-30T10:56:57 < ohsix> if i use it enough this year i'm buying it in 2018 huhu
2017-04-30T10:59:13 < Thorn> NROL-76 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvs4tJ3qegM
2017-04-30T11:00:13 < ohsix> http://mathematica.wolframcloud.com/app/  the free one
2017-04-30T11:00:41 < dongs> 8pm?
2017-04-30T11:00:43 < dongs> in what timezone
2017-04-30T11:00:46 < ohsix> Thorn: what's the mission?
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2017-04-30T11:01:41 < Thorn> ohsix: ███████ ████ █████████
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2017-04-30T11:02:45 < ohsix> 👍
2017-04-30T11:10:03 < dongs> < Thorn> ohsix: ??????? ???? ?????????
2017-04-30T11:10:06 < dongs> cool unicodes bro
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2017-04-30T11:30:57 < dongs> first quarter male more like
2017-04-30T11:31:02 < dongs> LGBPTQIP+
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2017-04-30T11:40:47 < kOStiX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2cXEmKuC6U
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2017-04-30T11:45:23 < kOStiX> haha thanks
2017-04-30T11:45:26 < kOStiX> nope
2017-04-30T11:45:27 < kOStiX> no uc
2017-04-30T11:45:33 < kOStiX> parallel port controlled
2017-04-30T11:46:14 < kOStiX> ah those are stm yeah hehe
2017-04-30T11:46:37 < kOStiX> the lower left one is a compressor tho
2017-04-30T11:46:43 < kOStiX> based on TAS3004
2017-04-30T11:47:30 < kOStiX> old monitors?
2017-04-30T11:48:19 < kOStiX> must have some 14" somewhere stored far away hehe
2017-04-30T11:48:53 < kOStiX> tubes would be cool.. i havent gotten into them yet
2017-04-30T11:50:38 < kOStiX> hehe
2017-04-30T11:50:42 < kOStiX> the harmonics do sound good
2017-04-30T11:57:17 < Thorn> why does everybody seem use bipolar bridge ics instead of mosfets to drive steppers
2017-04-30T11:58:00 < kOStiX> i wanna build some nice microstepping drivers
2017-04-30T11:58:44 < zyp> Thorn, because having all integrated is easier than having four mosfets and standalone gate drivers?
2017-04-30T11:58:52 < zyp> eight*
2017-04-30T12:02:00 < Thorn> aren't there mosfet based ICs
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2017-04-30T12:19:16 < qyx> to me it seems that most of the industrial stuff is made using bjts
2017-04-30T12:19:23 < qyx> industrial dio, drivers, etc
2017-04-30T12:20:29 < qyx> and optocouplers of course
2017-04-30T12:21:29 < qyx> there is nothing without at least a single opto
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2017-04-30T12:34:52 < Steffanx> No stvvn, im not here today. Leave a message after the beep.
2017-04-30T12:42:53 < dongs> leavea message after hte dong
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2017-04-30T12:43:56 < Steffanx> Ding dong.
2017-04-30T12:46:22 < Steffanx> Cat Randomized Typing?
2017-04-30T12:47:28 < kakimir> how is innovation?
2017-04-30T12:47:42 < Steffanx> Deqd.
2017-04-30T12:47:43 < kakimir> Steffanx: everything has been explained now
2017-04-30T12:47:48 < Steffanx> Dead.
2017-04-30T12:48:16 < kakimir> crt is actually a cat
2017-04-30T12:50:56 < kakimir> yes
2017-04-30T12:50:59 < kakimir> feeding time
2017-04-30T12:51:20 < kakimir> and play a little with favourite human slave
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2017-04-30T13:04:21 < kakimir> delayed for other priorities
2017-04-30T13:05:46 < kakimir> how do you feel about it?
2017-04-30T13:05:55 < dongs> i feel taht youre an autistic fuck
2017-04-30T13:07:28  * kakimir *chortles*
2017-04-30T13:08:32 < Steffanx> Im sure kakimir isnt the only one.
2017-04-30T13:10:18 < kakimir> :|
2017-04-30T13:11:04 < kakimir> you just agreed with dongs
2017-04-30T13:13:40 < dongs> has it shipped yet
2017-04-30T13:13:56 < dongs> but they're makign a box for it
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2017-04-30T13:19:31 < Steffanx> <dongs> Autism
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2017-04-30T13:27:50 < Steffanx> Yes what an asshole this stvvn.
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2017-04-30T13:50:00 < dongs> zyp, how the hell does CC/VCONN work?
2017-04-30T13:50:14 < dongs> theres only one CC wire right
2017-04-30T13:50:19 < dongs> on cable
2017-04-30T13:56:18 < zyp> socket has CC1/CC2, plug has CC/VCONN
2017-04-30T13:58:26 < zyp> so the socket end figures out which of CC1 and CC2 are hooked to the CC line by looking at resistances, and then applies VCONN to the other pin
2017-04-30T13:58:50 < zyp> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/00001953A.pdf ref. section 4.0 here
2017-04-30T14:00:04 < dongs> so what happens in non-active cabvle
2017-04-30T14:00:41 < dongs> cc wire and vcon wire are togther?
2017-04-30T14:00:46 < zyp> no
2017-04-30T14:00:55 < zyp> VCONN is terminated in plug with Ra, IIRC
2017-04-30T14:01:08 < zyp> Ra is a specific pulldown to GND
2017-04-30T14:01:16 < zyp> that's distinguishable from Rp and Rd
2017-04-30T14:02:55 < dongs> GND = shield?
2017-04-30T14:03:53 < dongs> so are you saying if I measure A5/B5 stuff from a breakout to GND they will be shorted?
2017-04-30T14:04:15 < zyp> hang on, let me check the actual spec
2017-04-30T14:04:25 < dongs> ive cut apart a chink usb cable
2017-04-30T14:04:27 < zyp> usb.org is slow as fuck
2017-04-30T14:04:31 < dongs> and im trying to map which wire is which
2017-04-30T14:04:59 < zyp> the AN I linked states that «An active cable must connect an Ra resistor from the VCONN pin to GND. The Ra resistor may range from 800Ω to 1.2kΩ.»
2017-04-30T14:05:12 < dongs> this is not active cable.
2017-04-30T14:05:14 < dongs> just 1 :1 i guess
2017-04-30T14:05:17 < dongs> its actually extension
2017-04-30T14:05:19 < zyp> but I'm not sure if that implies you can let it float in a passive cable
2017-04-30T14:05:20 < dongs> C male to C female
2017-04-30T14:05:27 < zyp> so I'm downloading spec now
2017-04-30T14:05:33 < zyp> oh, haha
2017-04-30T14:05:48 < zyp> extensions are out of spec, usb-c disallows female cable ends
2017-04-30T14:06:05 < zyp> then again, usb-a to usb-a extensions were also out of spec
2017-04-30T14:06:53 < zyp> anyway, as an extension I would assume it's transparent, so it probably brings both CC1 and CC2 through as is
2017-04-30T14:07:01 < Peter_M> zyp so hubs are jsut liek 5 usb c female?
2017-04-30T14:07:39 < Thorn> stream started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvs4tJ3qegM
2017-04-30T14:07:40 < dongs> Peter_M: hubs have connectors
2017-04-30T14:07:41 < zyp> Peter_M, yeah, or with a tethered male for upstream
2017-04-30T14:07:42 < dongs> not cable ends
2017-04-30T14:08:35 < zyp> the fuck, usb.org gave me a corrupt zip
2017-04-30T14:08:43 < dongs> yeah!!!
2017-04-30T14:08:45 < dongs> happened to me too
2017-04-30T14:08:50 < dongs> one of their usb3 spec zips was busted
2017-04-30T14:08:52 < dongs> or somehtign
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2017-04-30T14:10:03 < zyp> oh
2017-04-30T14:10:04 < zyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvs4tJ3qegM
2017-04-30T14:10:21 < zyp> hmm, missed that Thorn linked it
2017-04-30T14:10:24 < dongs> < Thorn> stream started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvs4tJ3qegM
2017-04-30T14:11:12 < dongs> ok so cable hsa
2017-04-30T14:11:13 < dongs> has
2017-04-30T14:11:23 < dongs> 4 insulated pairs. im gonna guess thats tx/rx shit
2017-04-30T14:11:40 < dongs> thin: white green yellow blue purple orange
2017-04-30T14:12:07 < dongs> wait what, spacex actualyl reseud one thing?
2017-04-30T14:12:21 < zyp> old news
2017-04-30T14:12:37 < dongs> and 2 braided GND wires
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2017-04-30T14:14:39 < dongs> well that was quick
2017-04-30T14:14:41 < dongs> they're not going anywhere
2017-04-30T14:14:47 < zyp> aww
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2017-04-30T14:15:00 < dongs> did i hear that right? 24 h delay?
2017-04-30T14:15:27 < zyp> I heard 24h something, but I doubt they'd decide ona 24h delay so quickly
2017-04-30T14:16:00 < zyp> oh
2017-04-30T14:16:02 < Steffanx> meh
2017-04-30T14:16:05 < zyp> yeah, you're right
2017-04-30T14:18:23 < Thorn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-o1UHEW0AAO569.jpg
2017-04-30T14:19:29 < dongs> lol nice mission patch
2017-04-30T14:19:45 < dongs> ok so fat red/white cables are connected to +V
2017-04-30T14:19:53 < dongs> A4/A9/B4/B9
2017-04-30T14:19:57 < dongs> all tied t ogether
2017-04-30T14:20:26 < dongs> braids and shields are all together to GND A1/A12/B1/B12
2017-04-30T14:21:42 < dongs> i guess remainig 6 wires are USB D+/D-, and a pair of CC and SBU
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2017-04-30T14:22:25 < zyp> sounds right
2017-04-30T14:23:02 < ReadError> uh dongs
2017-04-30T14:23:05 < ReadError> 7:21 AM <@l0dey> 4:03 AM <stump2cruzcontrol> The new alt-right meme is 256
2017-04-30T14:23:05 < ReadError> 7:21 AM <@l0dey> 4:03 AM <stump2cruzcontrol> Get it trending everywhere
2017-04-30T14:23:05 < ReadError> 7:21 AM <@l0dey> 4:04 AM <stump2cruzcontrol> 256 is secret Japanese anime Nazi code where 2-5-6 = ni-go-ro
2017-04-30T14:23:05 < ReadError> 7:21 AM <@l0dey> 4:28 AM <stump2cruzcontrol> Got to spread the 256 problem on social media
2017-04-30T14:23:09 < ReadError> is this true
2017-04-30T14:23:22 < ReadError> the jap 256 thing
2017-04-30T14:23:59 < jpa-> of course it is, japanese only has 10 different combinations of two letters
2017-04-30T14:25:37 < dongs> ok blue/white is usb2
2017-04-30T14:25:39 < dongs> err
2017-04-30T14:25:41 < dongs> green/white
2017-04-30T14:32:31 < dongs> ok top CC/SBU is orange/blue and bottom is purple/yellow
2017-04-30T14:32:32 < dongs> hm
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2017-04-30T14:46:24 < dongs> how do i install win10 on a macbook
2017-04-30T14:46:28 < dongs> erasing macos completely
2017-04-30T14:47:14 < kakimir> why?
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2017-04-30T14:47:59 < Streaker> how else do watch advertisements on your os?
2017-04-30T14:48:12 < kakimir> you said just a few days ago that mac is the best?
2017-04-30T14:49:13 < Steffanx> Just insert an installation CD and install should work afaik dongs.
2017-04-30T14:50:57 < dongs> Steffanx: wiping macos completely?
2017-04-30T14:51:16 < Steffanx> just format the disk in the installer..
2017-04-30T14:51:26 < dongs> right
2017-04-30T14:51:29 < dongs> does that actually work?
2017-04-30T14:52:02 < Steffanx> i dont see why not.
2017-04-30T14:52:34 < dongs> ok, internet says its psosible
2017-04-30T14:52:35 < dongs> cool
2017-04-30T14:52:47 < Steffanx> Im internet.
2017-04-30T14:53:20 < Steffanx> You can always reinstall os x by using their web install.
2017-04-30T14:53:28 < dongs> 'web install'?
2017-04-30T14:53:55 < Steffanx> Yeah using the bootloader thingy. It downloads macos from the internet and installs it.
2017-04-30T14:54:04 < dongs> in bios?
2017-04-30T14:54:12 < Steffanx> efi, but yes.
2017-04-30T14:54:37 < dongs> is that the 'internet recovery' thing?
2017-04-30T14:54:50 < Steffanx> Yes. Unless your macbook is old, but even my 2010 version does it.
2017-04-30T14:55:52 < Steffanx> You may hate mac/apple/whatever as much as you can, but this is a nice feature :)
2017-04-30T14:56:23 < dongs> it better be really part of BIOS tho
2017-04-30T14:56:27 < dongs> and not go away with a full hsdd wipe
2017-04-30T14:56:33 < Steffanx> it does not go away.
2017-04-30T14:56:34 < dongs> if its EFI it could be just a hidden partition or someshit
2017-04-30T14:56:57 < Steffanx> installed a new disk > did recovery to install os.
2017-04-30T14:57:04 < dongs> aha.
2017-04-30T14:57:30 < dongs> lol  why does it take 12 minutes just to boot
2017-04-30T14:57:44 < Steffanx> wut S:
2017-04-30T14:57:50 < dongs> that internet recovery shit
2017-04-30T14:57:58 < dongs> its just spinning a globe with "0:12" countdown
2017-04-30T14:58:01 < dongs> which just cahnged to 0:11
2017-04-30T14:58:07 < Steffanx> its downloading? Not sure.
2017-04-30T14:58:17 < dongs> from what? it hasnt even asked about wifi or anythign
2017-04-30T14:58:35 < dongs> did it just pick a first visible wifi point without asking? haah
2017-04-30T15:00:18 < Steffanx> but why boot this when you want to install windows?
2017-04-30T15:00:27 < dongs> just wanted to see what it looks like
2017-04-30T15:00:35 < dongs> i dont have any fucking USB-C USB sticks
2017-04-30T15:00:48 < dongs> (does anyone)
2017-04-30T15:01:02 < dongs> 5 mins remaining, it wasnt lying about the countdown
2017-04-30T15:02:38 < dongs> ok so zyp
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2017-04-30T15:02:59 < dongs> to handle both ways plug in, i *always* need to have some switcher IC on there?
2017-04-30T15:03:05 < dongs> because I dont see how else that would work
2017-04-30T15:03:43 < dongs> if i wanted to use usb3 taht is
2017-04-30T15:05:06 < dongs> 1 minute remaining. this better be awesome
2017-04-30T15:05:17 < dongs> ...
2017-04-30T15:06:49 < dongs> yeah it used first random wifi it found.
2017-04-30T15:07:19 < dongs> way to get arrested for downloading cp from steve servers
2017-04-30T15:08:29 < dongs> Steffanx: looks liek a 2gb flash partition
2017-04-30T15:08:33 < dongs> with recoverytrash on it
2017-04-30T15:09:06 < Steffanx> really? It something that didnt come with my macbook pro.. was installed later
2017-04-30T15:09:18 < dongs> where does it "go" then?
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2017-04-30T15:10:34 < Steffanx> i only know it was part of an EFI update, there my knownledge ends.
2017-04-30T15:10:50 < dongs> hmmmmmmm. diskutil list shows a 650meg partition at the end of main hdd
2017-04-30T15:10:50 < Steffanx> knowledge.
2017-04-30T15:10:57 < dongs> i do nmot think this will work if I wipe hdd in windows.
2017-04-30T15:11:45 < Steffanx> Im sure it will because thats how i reinstalled on a new ssd.
2017-04-30T15:12:00 < dongs> but where does this recovery info come from then
2017-04-30T15:12:43 < dongs> also your macbok must be pretty ancient if you were able to swap a ssd
2017-04-30T15:13:16 < Steffanx> mid 2010. Net-boot-ish thing isn't that new..
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2017-04-30T16:27:10 < englishman> qyx: aadamson has some supercaps and stm32 in space
2017-04-30T16:27:42 < dongs> spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
2017-04-30T16:27:44 < dongs> like real space?
2017-04-30T16:27:48 < dongs> or laurenceb-space
2017-04-30T16:27:59 < englishman> Laurenceb doesnt have anything at all in space
2017-04-30T16:29:11 < aadamson> near space technically - 14km :)
2017-04-30T16:29:35 < dongs> holy shit apple maps are ancient
2017-04-30T16:29:41 < dongs> they're still showing shit near my area that moved liek 5 years ago
2017-04-30T16:30:27 < zyp> dongs, what sort of cable to board connector would you have used for a signal connector with 12+ signals?
2017-04-30T16:30:54 < dongs> cable to board? you mean other than fpc?
2017-04-30T16:31:04 < dongs> or you mean cable like, actual cable
2017-04-30T16:31:55 < dongs> where does the cable go to
2017-04-30T16:32:07 < dongs> cuz .. you can just use D-SUB?
2017-04-30T16:32:08 < dongs> heh.
2017-04-30T16:32:11 < zyp> actual cable, socket on board next to enclosure edge
2017-04-30T16:32:29 < dongs> how about that chink shit that they make lvds cables out ot
2017-04-30T16:32:43 < dongs> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1EmjfPVXXXXa_XVXXq6xXFXXXT/3-Set-Sale-24-cm-font-b-length-b-font-30-pin-to-20-pin-2ch.jpg
2017-04-30T16:32:46 < dongs> left side shit
2017-04-30T16:32:48 < dongs> its a common clone JST thing
2017-04-30T16:33:13 < dongs> or your standard molex picoblade stuff
2017-04-30T16:33:15 < dongs> 1.25mm pitch
2017-04-30T16:33:20 < englishman> jst-shd
2017-04-30T16:33:23 < dongs> thats whaT I use when im connecting board to wire harness shit
2017-04-30T16:33:24 < englishman> i like
2017-04-30T16:33:43 < dongs> that looks nice too
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2017-04-30T16:41:55 < zyp> hmm, I guess just shrouded 2.54mm shit would work, could just do ribbon cable then
2017-04-30T16:42:01 < dongs> yes
2017-04-30T16:42:08 < dongs> 1.27mm pitch version wroks too
2017-04-30T16:42:14 < dongs> like higher density IDC
2017-04-30T16:42:18 < dongs> like... the jtag connector :)
2017-04-30T16:42:27 < zyp> and digikey also has keyed housings if I don't want to do ribbon shit
2017-04-30T16:42:46 < zyp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/102387-1/A25901-ND/289274 <- shit like this
2017-04-30T16:43:22 < dongs> watcha connecting
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2017-04-30T16:44:17 < zyp> 3d printer shit
2017-04-30T16:45:19 < zyp> figured that instead of running a whole bunch of cables over to the moving head, I can just run one for power and one for signals to a breakout board
2017-04-30T16:45:36 < zyp> unscrew a few mounting screws, unplug two connectors and pull the entire thing out of the printer
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2017-04-30T16:46:22 < zyp> and then everything on the head (heaters, sensors, x-endstop, bed probe, fans, etc) just hooks up to that board
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2017-04-30T16:48:34 < zyp> then again, once I'm going that far, I'm tempted to just throw a local MCU on the board as well and run the signalling over CAN or some shit
2017-04-30T16:49:17 < zyp> or even USB
2017-04-30T16:49:54 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bavh96FXjTs . wat
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2017-04-30T17:03:41 < zyp> hmm, since I'm going to run all this from a host app over USB anyway, having more than one device could work out well
2017-04-30T17:05:21 < zyp> even if I split the stepper drivers across multiple devices, I could synchronize shit to SOF pulses
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2017-04-30T17:39:24 < englishman> no wonder that thing has been on your shelf 6 years
2017-04-30T17:39:25 < englishman> !
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2017-04-30T17:40:09 < englishman> dongs, did you know i am pro at smt assy now
2017-04-30T17:40:16 < englishman> all the paste problems have disappeared
2017-04-30T17:40:36 < englishman> did a ton of those .3mm pitch + sod923 boards yesterday
2017-04-30T17:40:43 < englishman> in Jan it would have taken me 2 weeks
2017-04-30T17:42:25 < dongs> nice
2017-04-30T17:42:26 < dongs> so how did you solve it
2017-04-30T17:43:15 < englishman> customized stencil printer
2017-04-30T17:43:19 < englishman> and, just learning how shit works
2017-04-30T17:43:44 < dongs> pal coming over tomrorow and bringing final version of my dickstarter printer
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2017-04-30T17:44:23 < englishman> cant wait
2017-04-30T17:44:50 < englishman> those china electropolished stencils are pretty nice too
2017-04-30T17:44:57 < dongs> how are you doing board x/y on ytour shit
2017-04-30T17:44:59 < englishman> for $22
2017-04-30T17:45:06 < englishman> its shit
2017-04-30T17:45:12 < englishman> its not x/y/theta
2017-04-30T17:45:18 < englishman> its the x and two y style
2017-04-30T17:45:37 < englishman> so that still eats a lot of time
2017-04-30T17:45:49 < dongs> hwo is the board clamped tho
2017-04-30T17:46:35 < englishman> just tension against pegs
2017-04-30T17:46:41 < englishman> no vac
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2017-04-30T17:46:49 < dongs> right
2017-04-30T17:46:52 < dongs> magnetic pesg?
2017-04-30T17:46:58 < englishman> but i can adjust it so at least it doesnt lift up with the stencil
2017-04-30T17:46:59 < englishman> no
2017-04-30T17:47:12 < dongs> mounted to table somwhow?
2017-04-30T17:47:41 < englishman> yeah on adjustable arms
2017-04-30T17:47:46 < englishman> on a kind of pegboard
2017-04-30T17:47:51 < englishman> latest SF tech startup https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/catnani-keeping-your-counters-pet-free-cats-robot#/
2017-04-30T17:48:38 < englishman> looking for a pic
2017-04-30T17:49:50 < dongs> what are chances its got a ESP14/88 inside
2017-04-30T17:50:28 < englishman> no pix
2017-04-30T17:50:34 < englishman> anyway its like stencil8 but with arms
2017-04-30T17:50:50 < dongs> http://image.made-in-china.com/43f34j00WSrtjLCcCipM/PCB-Machine-Silk-Printing-Machine-High-Precision-Printer-Manual-Stencil-Printer.jpg
2017-04-30T17:50:54 < dongs> this
2017-04-30T17:50:54 < dongs> same shit like neoden uses
2017-04-30T17:50:57 < dongs> to fix pcb
2017-04-30T17:51:10 < englishman> yeah that's very similar
2017-04-30T17:51:21 < englishman> but that looks better
2017-04-30T17:51:23 < englishman> x/y/theta
2017-04-30T17:51:33 < englishman> and z axes look stronger
2017-04-30T17:52:27 < englishman> shit why didnt i get that
2017-04-30T17:53:17 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-high-quality-PUHUI-High-Precision-Printer-Manual-Stencil-Printer-machine-Silk-Printing-Machine/32707170841.html
2017-04-30T17:53:45 < dongs> that was just 1st link from google image search
2017-04-30T17:53:57 < englishman> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/stencil-printer-puhui-high-precision-printer-manual-stencil-printer-machine/
2017-04-30T17:53:59 < dongs> for "china stencil printer manual"
2017-04-30T17:54:01 < englishman> even mrfaggothead has one
2017-04-30T17:55:15 < Steffanx> and sometimes i think i cannot read properly..
2017-04-30T17:56:51 < dongs> lol @ typical eevfag 1st post
2017-04-30T17:56:59 < dongs> "is this for making stencils or putting paste on pcb"
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2017-04-30T17:58:37 < englishman> lol vancouver http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/b-c-dealt-with-109-overdoses-in-a-single-day-thursday-1.3389754
2017-04-30T17:58:44 < englishman> ok time 2 gardening
2017-04-30T17:59:03 < dongs> whats happening?
2017-04-30T17:59:04 < Steffanx> didnt you automate that?
2017-04-30T17:59:07 < Steffanx> or have a wife to do that.
2017-04-30T17:59:09 < dongs> She says the spike coincided with the monthly release of social assistance cheques, and the service is prepared for a challenging weekend.
2017-04-30T17:59:12 < dongs> haha
2017-04-30T18:03:41 < jadew> probably the new stuff was less diluted than what they were used to
2017-04-30T18:04:30 < jadew> maybe they have a new supplier in the area
2017-04-30T18:04:41 < jadew> and he wanted to impress
2017-04-30T18:05:20 < Thorn> >The voltage transformer secondary circuits shall be complete in themselves and shall be earthed at one point only
2017-04-30T18:05:33 < Thorn> >complete in themselves -- wat
2017-04-30T18:05:56 < jpa-> return path to the transformer, not through earth
2017-04-30T18:07:41 < Thorn> hm could be
2017-04-30T18:16:02 < jadew> what's a good solder paste for home reflow soldering?
2017-04-30T18:19:01 < Steffanx> i ordered some crap from farnell but digikey sells it too.https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/chip-quik-inc/SMD4300AX10/SMD4300AX10-ND/2057274 that stuff
2017-04-30T18:19:27 < Steffanx> works for me (tm)
2017-04-30T18:19:43 < jadew> is this standard or low melting point?
2017-04-30T18:20:04 < jadew> ah, 361, sounds good
2017-04-30T18:20:17 < jadew> thanks, I'll check it out
2017-04-30T18:21:07 < jadew> hmm, farnell says it melts at 183
2017-04-30T18:21:22 < jadew> http://ro.farnell.com/chip-quik/smd4300ax10/paste-rework-63-37-10cc/dp/1850224
2017-04-30T18:21:31 < Steffanx> digikeys says that too.
2017-04-30T18:21:34 < Steffanx> 361F.
2017-04-30T18:21:37 < Steffanx> 183C
2017-04-30T18:21:41 < jadew> ah
2017-04-30T18:21:52 < jadew> missed the F
2017-04-30T18:21:56 < dongs> Lol F
2017-04-30T18:22:02 < dongs> what FAGGOTS use F for paste melting temperature?!
2017-04-30T18:22:35 < Steffanx> yankees.
2017-04-30T18:22:58 < jadew> I guess a good melting temp would be somewhere around 280 C, no?
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2017-04-30T18:24:43 < Steffanx> What's wrong with such nice low temperature?
2017-04-30T18:25:12 < jadew> don't know, some of the components on this board get to 80 C
2017-04-30T18:25:35 < dongs> stuff desoldering itself is certainly one of failure modes.
2017-04-30T18:25:47 < dongs> however
2017-04-30T18:25:49 < dongs> your question was
2017-04-30T18:25:49 < dongs> < jadew> what's a good solder paste for home reflow soldering?
2017-04-30T18:25:55 < dongs> so you either
2017-04-30T18:25:56 < dongs> 1) autism at home
2017-04-30T18:25:58 < dongs> 2) do it pro
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2017-04-30T18:26:13 < Steffanx> 3) we are not all you, dongs.
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2017-04-30T18:27:20 < dongs> this is not really me vs everyone else thing
2017-04-30T18:27:25 < dongs> he asked for a ghetto solution
2017-04-30T18:27:27 < jadew> hmm, looks like most solder paste melts at around 220 C
2017-04-30T18:28:13 < dongs> is there any legit *normal* reason where a component on a board is constantly 80C+?
2017-04-30T18:28:53 < jadew> yeah, biasing resistor for a MMIC
2017-04-30T18:29:00 < Steffanx> i guess you're definition of "autism" deviated from the actual definition. I guess i have to remember that :P
2017-04-30T18:29:21 < jadew> I could have made it a bit bigger, but I didn't have the space
2017-04-30T18:30:00 < dongs> still fucking wiht your radar dickstarter?
2017-04-30T18:30:10 < jadew> no, different thing
2017-04-30T18:30:44 < dongs> still waiting for someone to make me a ready-to-use 5.8ghz thing with a bunch of modulations
2017-04-30T18:31:12 < Steffanx> *your
2017-04-30T18:31:25 < dongs> ?
2017-04-30T18:31:27 < dongs> oh
2017-04-30T18:31:28 < jadew> dongs, what exactly do you need?
2017-04-30T18:31:45 < dongs> jadew: that. NRF24L in 5ghz
2017-04-30T18:32:12 < jadew> so you don't care about the modulation, you just want it to handle data transfer?
2017-04-30T18:32:40 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedicated_short-range_communications for this
2017-04-30T18:32:44 < dongs> so i do care
2017-04-30T18:33:08 < jadew> I see
2017-04-30T18:33:11 < dongs> but iirc its FSK or ASK
2017-04-30T18:33:13 < dongs> or something simiple
2017-04-30T18:33:24 < jadew> no off the shelf solution?
2017-04-30T18:33:29 < dongs> not that i've found
2017-04-30T18:33:38 < jadew> how much money would there be in such a module?
2017-04-30T18:33:45 < dongs> none, it's strictly for fucking around
2017-04-30T18:33:58 < jadew> ah
2017-04-30T18:34:16 < dongs> i had a chance to bid at a jap tester for 200 bux
2017-04-30T18:34:18 < dongs> but i lazied out
2017-04-30T18:34:24 < dongs> and it usualyl sells for around 900
2017-04-30T18:34:28 < dongs> that would have the circuit/shti i need
2017-04-30T18:34:42 < dongs> for 200 i could tear it apart, but I don't care enough at 90 level
2017-04-30T18:34:44 < dongs> er 900
2017-04-30T18:36:36 < dongs> jadew: whats TDMA-FDD
2017-04-30T18:36:55 < jadew> don't know
2017-04-30T18:37:38 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-division_multiple_access
2017-04-30T18:37:43 < dongs> yeah saw that
2017-04-30T18:38:14 < Steffanx> mixing 2.4GHz to 5.8GHz using an nrf24 "solves" it right?
2017-04-30T18:38:18 < dongs> it does that, with ASK or QPSK for modulation
2017-04-30T18:38:19 < Steffanx> + mixer ofcourse.
2017-04-30T18:38:34 < dongs> Steffanx: not sure, i think 'FDD' means rx and tx are different frequency
2017-04-30T18:39:15 < Thorn> nrf24 has ts own packet protocol (ESB), it's not just a radio
2017-04-30T18:39:55 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplex_(telecommunications)#Frequency-division_duplexing
2017-04-30T18:41:28 < jadew> TDMA is probably why the GSM spectrum looks like a chain of bursts
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2017-04-30T18:45:56 < karlp> englishman: so, if I may, what changed in your life that you decided to start getting into full assmembly monkeying?  are you breaking out on your own as a "full service design house" and need to be able to assemble to offer that? or what?
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2017-04-30T18:46:10 < karlp> I thought you were doing contract hardware design, not manuf/assembly
2017-04-30T18:49:04 < englishman> karlp: well, i asked dongs to assemble some stuff that was >5 qty so a bit more than i wanted to do by hand, but <500 quantity that would actually warrant his attention. and 3 months later it wasnt done and we missed our time-to-market window
2017-04-30T18:49:10 < englishman> so i had to take shit into my own hands
2017-04-30T18:49:38 < englishman> it's a really nice thing to be able to do this in house
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2017-04-30T18:49:43 < englishman> and not rely on china
2017-04-30T18:49:54 < karlp> sure, but it's still a lot of bringup work I would imagine.
2017-04-30T18:49:56 < dongs> https://www.fit.ac.jp/~tanaka/FITSAT/tanaka09csl.pdf
2017-04-30T18:49:57 < dongs> .. fucking japs
2017-04-30T18:49:58 < englishman> yeah
2017-04-30T18:50:04 < englishman> but it's already paying off
2017-04-30T18:50:21 < karlp> curious what sort of market something has t o be lauched so precisely to succeed.
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2017-04-30T18:50:46 < englishman> a shitty one
2017-04-30T18:51:19 < karlp> heh
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2017-04-30T18:56:26 < karlp> so what sort of stencils are you getting then? china special steel?
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2017-04-30T19:05:09 < Thorn> how do I get 1,000 plastic enclosures made in China
2017-04-30T19:05:31 < dongs> just email randomchink@aliexpress.com
2017-04-30T19:08:38 < Thorn> random chinks from aliexpress don't even ship what they list on aliexpress. 3 separate occurences over the last 2 months. never had that happen before
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2017-04-30T19:18:45 < dongs> oh, toshiba makes taht shit
2017-04-30T19:18:52 < dongs> but its jap unobtanium TC32163FG
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2017-04-30T19:24:40 < dongs> whyt the fck is there a "BBIC" in that diagram
2017-04-30T19:24:46 < dongs> is that the thing that actually does the modulation
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2017-04-30T20:14:25 < Steffanx> http://rocketry.mit.edu/2017/04/100-3d-printed-solid-rocket-motor/ your turn Laurenceb
2017-04-30T20:14:31 < Steffanx> and fix your connection.
2017-04-30T20:17:25 < zzattack> can I find somewhere the differences between HAL driver updates? after updating handling of UART frame errors seems to have drastically changed but I cannot find any reference about it
2017-04-30T20:18:17 < Steffanx> iirc there is a change log somewhere, but im not sure how good it is.
2017-04-30T20:18:43 < zzattack> that's encouraging :D
2017-04-30T20:18:56 < Steffanx> STM isn't well at archiving stuff.
2017-04-30T20:18:58 < Steffanx> *good
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2017-04-30T20:20:51 < Streaker> Which IDE should I use for STM32 development. There used to be two, now there are a dozen?
2017-04-30T20:21:17 < Steffanx> ##stm32 approved answer: Keil
2017-04-30T20:22:13 < Streaker> Keil was what used the last time (3 years ago?)
2017-04-30T20:22:17 < Streaker> Good.
2017-04-30T20:22:37 < machinehum> Don't use Keil
2017-04-30T20:22:41 < machinehum> Atollic
2017-04-30T20:22:54 < branjb> visual studio
2017-04-30T20:22:59 < machinehum> Or just make/vim/gdb
2017-04-30T20:22:59 < Streaker> What's better about it?
2017-04-30T20:23:03 < machinehum> What?
2017-04-30T20:23:05 < Steffanx> Otherwise its just "pick a random eclipse based one" or visual studio stuff.
2017-04-30T20:23:05 < Thorn> I use qt creator
2017-04-30T20:23:08 < Steffanx> (visual gdb)
2017-04-30T20:23:15 < machinehum> Atollic? It's opensource and free, based on eclipse
2017-04-30T20:23:15 < Steffanx> orwhatever its called
2017-04-30T20:23:16 < Thorn> zzattack: git init ; git add . ; git commit in old HAL dir, then copy new HAL over the old one and do git diff lol
2017-04-30T20:23:29 < machinehum> Jesus fuck don't use visual studio
2017-04-30T20:23:38 < branjb> why not?
2017-04-30T20:24:00 < machinehum> Do whatever you want
2017-04-30T20:24:07 < Steffanx> Streaker, you are not really from india right? Secretly you are just laurenceb and now trolling us.
2017-04-30T20:24:20 < machinehum> I just tend to lean towards progressive things
2017-04-30T20:24:29 < machinehum> Not Microsoft trying to be cool
2017-04-30T20:24:31 < Steffanx> hah, eclipse :P
2017-04-30T20:24:54 < Steffanx> Visual Studio has been cool since.. ever.
2017-04-30T20:25:01 < emeb_mac> editor/make/gcc/gdb/openocd here
2017-04-30T20:25:05 < Streaker> No way I'm laurenceb - I love Trump.
2017-04-30T20:25:07 < zzattack> yeah thorn, what's what I did. but I'd rather someone justify the (breaking) changes in words
2017-04-30T20:25:13 < emeb_mac> simple to maintain, works everywhere
2017-04-30T20:26:12 < machinehum> emeb_mac: You've figured it out
2017-04-30T20:26:22 < Streaker> I haven't used VS since VC6. Or whenever they started that .net bs
2017-04-30T20:27:26 < Steffanx> Grandpa.
2017-04-30T20:28:06 < machinehum> lol
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2017-04-30T20:28:17 < Steffanx>  \o
2017-04-30T20:28:38 < branjb> wtf
2017-04-30T20:28:48 < branjb> "fuck no don't use visual studio because it's not progressive"
2017-04-30T20:28:53 < branjb> what does that even mean
2017-04-30T20:29:01 < Steffanx> He's Canadian. Nuff said.
2017-04-30T20:30:26 < Streaker> VS used to be really good. Back when eclipse took 25 minutes to redraw the screen every time you clicked on a button
2017-04-30T20:30:41 < Steffanx> btw Streaker. Stop trolling: 2017-04-22T20:33:31 < Streaker> Which idea is recommended for stm32 development?
2017-04-30T20:30:53 < branjb> lol
2017-04-30T20:31:05 < Streaker> Sorry about that. I genuinely forgot.
2017-04-30T20:31:11 < Steffanx> I didnt.
2017-04-30T20:31:20 < Steffanx> grandpa P:
2017-04-30T20:31:25 < branjb> Guys should I use HAL or SPL or direct register manipulation?
2017-04-30T20:32:05 < Steffanx> or libopencm32?
2017-04-30T20:32:07 < Steffanx> -2
2017-04-30T20:32:17 < branjb> what is libopencm32?
2017-04-30T20:32:30 < Steffanx> -29 for the autists.
2017-04-30T20:32:34 < Steffanx> libopencm3
2017-04-30T20:32:45 < Steffanx> http://libopencm3.org/
2017-04-30T20:33:14 < Steffanx> It's something in between HAL/SPL and register dicking.
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2017-04-30T20:34:09 < branjb> that sounds terrible
2017-04-30T20:34:09 < Steffanx> and has #libopencm3
2017-04-30T20:34:13 < branjb> >open source
2017-04-30T20:34:19 < Steffanx> Im sorry.
2017-04-30T20:34:20 < branjb> >made for 10+ micros
2017-04-30T20:34:28 < branjb> i bet it's full of #define and macro abuse
2017-04-30T20:35:06 < karlp> sounds like you don't need to go looking any further then, you already know all you need to know right?
2017-04-30T20:35:25 < Steffanx> What karlp says.
2017-04-30T20:35:46 < branjb> ya HAL ftw
2017-04-30T20:35:46 < Thorn> branjb: https://github.com/pthorn/cortexm-usb-driver/blob/master/src/dwc_otg_device.cc#L269 and so on
2017-04-30T20:36:31 < karlp> Thorn: why such a specifici link? is there any meaning to that?
2017-04-30T20:37:11 < karlp> Thorn: that doesn't handle the difference between rev 1100 and rev2000 of the dwc_otg core does it?
2017-04-30T20:37:30 < Thorn> it does, I tested it on both
2017-04-30T20:37:40 < Thorn> it's an example of how non-trivial register access will look like
2017-04-30T20:38:41 < Steffanx> branjb and you can always steal zyp's laks. C++ much.
2017-04-30T20:39:08 < karlp> Thorn: ah yeah, I see it now.
2017-04-30T20:39:11 < Steffanx> but that is close to register dicking.
2017-04-30T20:39:41 < Laurenceb__> afuckinglead
2017-04-30T20:39:46 < karlp> you do it at compile time though thorn
2017-04-30T20:40:10 < karlp> you can just check at runtime: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/lib/usb/usb_f107.c#L65-L71
2017-04-30T20:40:32 < Thorn> sure, who would want binary portability between familiies
2017-04-30T20:40:52 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/HPPUZMd
2017-04-30T20:42:05 < branjb> what does Laurenceb__ use?
2017-04-30T20:42:20 < karlp> Thorn: pardon?
2017-04-30T20:42:51 < Laurenceb__> st periph lib
2017-04-30T20:43:07 < Laurenceb__> with raw reg where its needed
2017-04-30T20:43:11 < Laurenceb__> bbl
2017-04-30T20:43:36 < Thorn> karlp: I check it at compile time because I would compile everything with different ST device headers for a different device anyway
2017-04-30T20:44:40 < Thorn> Laurenceb__: at this point you should give up already and become a MGTOW
2017-04-30T20:45:17 < Thorn> (... since I use ST headers unlike libopencm3 or laks)
2017-04-30T20:46:45 < karlp> Thorn: sure, just means you need to be so much more specific with your device definitions :)
2017-04-30T20:47:26 < karlp> so, you have that usb driver in c++, what other bits do you have? do you need like 5 submodules to get going?
2017-04-30T20:47:30 < Thorn> it does lead to stuff like https://github.com/pthorn/cortexm-usb-driver/blob/master/src/dwc_otg_header.h
2017-04-30T20:48:17 < Thorn> but I can't be bothered to do my own peripheral registers, that would be clinical autism
2017-04-30T20:48:21 < karlp> no f1, no f2?! ;)
2017-04-30T20:48:51 < karlp> also, why not #pragma once!
2017-04-30T20:49:00 < Thorn> in work (there is lost of code tested but not yet committed)
2017-04-30T20:49:12 < karlp> aren't you living int he golden age of c++ ?
2017-04-30T20:49:20 < Thorn> is it in the standard
2017-04-30T20:49:50 < Thorn> that driver needs https://github.com/pthorn/safe-formatted-print for debugging and that's it
2017-04-30T20:50:07 < Thorn> and standard HAL/CMSIS startup
2017-04-30T20:50:25 < Thorn> (with 48MHz USB clock correctly set up)
2017-04-30T20:52:32 < karlp> pragma once is not standardized, but is in msvcc and glang and gcc for liek 10 years.
2017-04-30T20:52:40 < karlp> I'm never using ifndef header shit again
2017-04-30T20:55:50 < Thorn> qt creator does #ifdefs for me
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2017-04-30T21:09:27 < Steffanx> Also in work projects karlp? Have no colleagues that hate you for it?
2017-04-30T21:09:31 < Steffanx> I would have those.
2017-04-30T21:15:02 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/8zX5p
2017-04-30T21:16:08 < branjb> isn't that the symbol you make when someone is staring at your junk?
2017-04-30T21:16:24 < Steffanx> I've no clue when one would make that symbol.
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2017-04-30T21:22:45 < englishman> karlp: after trying expensive Canadian shit, yeah, chinastencil
2017-04-30T21:25:01 < englishman> Streaker: keil.
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2017-04-30T21:39:05 < qyx> aadamson: is that the floater you started doing ~1y ago?
2017-04-30T21:39:23 < qyx> do you use it as a main power source?
2017-04-30T21:41:55 < upgrdman> dongs, not sure if this will help your Chrome problem, but msft is fixing some of the dpi scaling in Win10 MAKE:R Edition    https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2017/04/04/high-dpi-scaling-improvements-desktop-applications-windows-10-creators-update/#SyKjHphObepOdpC0.97
2017-04-30T21:42:48 < qyx> Steffanx: if a colleague forced me to do #ifdef guards I would hit them with a hammer
2017-04-30T21:42:59 < qyx> theres virtually no implementation lacking support for it
2017-04-30T21:43:04 < qyx> not counting the niche ones
2017-04-30T21:43:38 < Steffanx> Nah we have this fucked up coding standard.
2017-04-30T21:43:46 < Steffanx> (which i often do not comply to because.. useless)
2017-04-30T21:43:49 < branjb> is it ~agile~ ?
2017-04-30T21:45:13 < Steffanx> I meant ident style, variable names, type names etc.
2017-04-30T21:45:46 < qyx> hungarian notation included?
2017-04-30T21:45:49 < qyx> like in the freertos?
2017-04-30T21:45:56 < Steffanx> No, even worse.
2017-04-30T21:46:11 < Thorn> https://scontent-arn2-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/18160811_1320635908012109_205468022805102592_n.jpg
2017-04-30T21:46:14 < Steffanx> Something non-standard someone made up ages ago.
2017-04-30T21:46:41 < Steffanx> What movie/game is that going to be Thorn?
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2017-04-30T21:47:59 < Thorn> probably none
2017-04-30T21:50:21 < qyx> back to supercaps, so the 0.2F one would keep the RTC running for ~4 days
2017-04-30T21:52:01 < qyx> compared to a 90mAh CR1216, which would give me 3750 days
2017-04-30T21:52:31 < qyx> they have similar dimensions, the cap is probably more expensive
2017-04-30T21:53:00 < qyx> *3750 hours
2017-04-30T21:53:17 < qyx> no, days actually
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2017-04-30T22:12:25 < Streaker> the battery is always the right choice
2017-04-30T22:13:37 < Streaker> supercaps are useful to keep things running while you change out the battery
2017-04-30T22:13:52 < upgrdman> would rtc/its regs fail if it lost VBAT for ~2 seconds? e.g. if you make the coin cell socketed so you could swap it live
2017-04-30T22:14:55 < Ultrasauce> http://www.dwarfcraft.com/eurorack.html
2017-04-30T22:15:01 < Ultrasauce> disco spotted in the wild
2017-04-30T22:15:41 < upgrdman> ya i think zyp or jpa does those audiophool mixer thinggies
2017-04-30T22:15:51 < Steffanx> No emeb does that.
2017-04-30T22:15:55 < upgrdman> fuck
2017-04-30T22:16:04 < upgrdman> close enough, 3-4 letters nicks
2017-04-30T22:16:10 < upgrdman> :)
2017-04-30T22:16:12 < Steffanx> And mervaka i think.
2017-04-30T22:18:36 < Steffanx> emeb_mac even works on it right now, or was supposed to. some kickstarter project.
2017-04-30T22:19:18 < emeb_mac> Yep. Coding in progress.
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2017-04-30T22:44:13 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/s1qK7 that's a 33 ohm bead right
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2017-04-30T22:45:46 < Steffanx> Yes.
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2017-04-30T22:47:33 < ohsix> orange orange boner
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2017-04-30T22:49:30 < branjb> what's that normally under on digikey?  inductors -> ferrite?
2017-04-30T22:49:54 < ohsix> eh
2017-04-30T22:50:01 < ohsix> is it one in circuit or wut
2017-04-30T22:50:33 < ohsix> https://www.digikey.com/products/en/filters/ferrite-beads-and-chips/841
2017-04-30T22:50:35 < branjb> idk
2017-04-30T22:50:37 < branjb> it's from this
2017-04-30T22:50:37 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/s1qK7
2017-04-30T22:50:42 < branjb> it's for an encoder
2017-04-30T22:51:00 < ohsix> oh ic, they're specified at a given frequency
2017-04-30T22:51:09 < ohsix> the ohm part confused me
2017-04-30T22:52:00 < ohsix> Standard Testing Condition http://www.murata.com/en-us/products/productdata/8796738650142/ENFA0003.pdf
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2017-04-30T22:52:04 < branjb> what is the 33 ohm?
2017-04-30T22:52:16 < branjb> none of the ferrite beads on digikey go there
2017-04-30T22:52:47 < ohsix> heh hot, murata specifies bond strength and flexibility
2017-04-30T22:52:49 < branjb> ah
2017-04-30T22:53:09 < Steffanx> Impedance much
2017-04-30T22:53:27 < branjb> so can i just add a 33 ohm resistor?
2017-04-30T22:54:09 < ohsix> hehe
2017-04-30T22:54:12 < ohsix> you could just leave it out
2017-04-30T22:54:14 < branjb> oh i see
2017-04-30T22:54:22 < branjb> 33 ohm @ xxx MHz
2017-04-30T22:54:51 < branjb> it's powering an absolute encoder that i guess is an inductive load
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2017-04-30T22:56:33 < qyx> just place there the first one you see
2017-04-30T22:56:40 < branjb> sounds good
2017-04-30T22:57:06 < qyx> or a 0R resistor, it will most probably work
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2017-04-30T23:03:24 < zyp> 16:39:24 < englishman> no wonder that thing has been on your shelf 6 years
2017-04-30T23:03:27 < zyp> haha, well said
2017-04-30T23:05:25 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-433MHZ-Helical-Antenna-for-Arduino-Remote-Control-/192080346150 how would something like this compare to half wave antenna?
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2017-04-30T23:08:18 < zyp> englishman, to be fair, I'm not thinking about stuffing it into the old 3d-printer, but building a new one
2017-04-30T23:08:41 < zyp> the way I understand it, the point of having a 3d-printer is so you can print more 3d-printers
2017-04-30T23:08:57 < zyp> and since my first one is operable now, I need to use it to make more
2017-04-30T23:08:58 < Steffanx> I actually used those once kakimir. Worked pretty well, but i have no figures.
2017-04-30T23:09:03 < qyx> heh
2017-04-30T23:10:17 < Steffanx> Just get an SMA antenna, because SMA. kakimir
2017-04-30T23:11:07 < kakimir> expensives
2017-04-30T23:11:13 < kakimir> need a hole to enclosure
2017-04-30T23:12:02 < kakimir> and pretty much every antenna I find is expensive or crap
2017-04-30T23:12:33 < kakimir> for harsh outdoor operation there is only "expensive" ones
2017-04-30T23:12:54 < kakimir> or expensive however you put it
2017-04-30T23:15:18 < Steffanx> Mine came with a 90 degrees bend in iirc.
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2017-04-30T23:22:21 < kakimir> can I bend that?
2017-04-30T23:22:27 < kakimir> without ruining it?
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2017-04-30T23:39:21 < aadamson> qyx, yes, floater reported yesterday after just short of 9 months in the air, other one a month behind it reports every day (after I fixed an M0 startup issue with a cpu supervisor)
2017-04-30T23:39:26 < aadamson> both use a 1.4F supercap
2017-04-30T23:39:47 < aadamson> 1.5F, 5v supercap that is
2017-04-30T23:39:51 < aadamson> no battery, solar only
2017-04-30T23:40:35 < qyx> huh, apparently I missed some of the balloon achievemtns
2017-04-30T23:43:10 < branjb> wow, 9 months in the air seems long
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2017-04-30T23:49:23 < aadamson>  branjb it is, it's been google loons record by a good margin, one has travelled over 650000km as well, that's almost back from the moon in eqivalent distant :0
2017-04-30T23:49:33 < aadamson> s/been/beat
2017-04-30T23:50:01 < aadamson> and because I went to 20mhz as the beacon frequency, I pretty much have WW coverage
2017-04-30T23:50:13 < aadamson> through a network of listening stations world wide
2017-04-30T23:50:34 < branjb> seems kinda cool
2017-04-30T23:50:54 < qyx> what protocol at 20MHz?
2017-04-30T23:51:10 < branjb> do they do anything useful or is the goal just to keep it up as long as you can and track it?
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2017-04-30T23:54:40 < aadamson> They report temp, location, solar voltage, supercap voltage, course, speed, and satellite count.  Beyond that, it was to try to get one around the world, which happened 15 laps ago :)
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2017-04-30T23:55:18 < branjb> what kind of payload weight can they support?
2017-04-30T23:55:19 < aadamson> qyx, they are using WSPR (4 tone FSK, at 1.46hz baud) :)... takes 150 seconds to squirt out about 20 chars of data with heavy FEC
2017-04-30T23:55:35 < qyx> aha, yep, I know WSPR
2017-04-30T23:56:01 < aadamson> the balloon is a 3.5' x 7' clear plastic balloon and it can support about 25gr and not suffer in altitude, my payload is ~7grams
2017-04-30T23:57:31 < branjb> are balloon people starting to use lora at all?
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2017-04-30T23:58:10 < aadamson> Just about to launch one with LoRa actually, but not sure it will help much, it will be FM, FSK and LoRa
2017-04-30T23:58:19 < aadamson> oh, and yes, the UK guys have been using LoRa for some time
2017-04-30T23:58:23 < aadamson> but only up and down flights
2017-04-30T23:58:26 < aadamson> long duration no
2017-04-30T23:58:39 < branjb> ah
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